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00:00.03Manoj_RichiH: it can limit itself to a subset of all packages, so one can limit it to the packages being uploaded
00:00.13p30nk
00:00.14xamp30n: for any kind of mice
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00:00.41HeatHawkjcole, thats my problem
00:00.42RichiHManoj_: thanks, i will poke at it
00:00.47HeatHawkeverything opengl seg faults
00:00.54Bogaurdhas anyone got rrdtool working on debian woody?
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00:01.10HeatHawktheres a problem with the library, im using nvidia driver btw
00:01.42Manoj_RichiH: actually, it is apt-cache that has dotty
00:02.01Manoj_RichiH: apt-get -u upgrade, say no to upgrade, grab the list of package
00:02.11Manoj_RichiH: apt-cache dotty list
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00:02.33paulswmgreat, my new compressor got within 6% of bzip2 with the first version, promising
00:03.09RichiHManoj_: neat, thanks
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00:05.45x0563511Macromedia Director doesnt work in wine :/
00:05.59x0563511great. so, looks like windows gets to keep a small area of my drive
00:06.05x0563511... bastards
00:06.14souza10Manoj_: You said I need a packages file, a release file, and stuff. a packages file is the .deb, yeh? and about release and stuff, what is it?
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00:06.38x0563511If i have no other choice, would you recommend Win2k pro, or WinXP pro?
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00:06.43dvharthow do I get the Contents-i386.gz file in my debian mirror?
00:06.46Artistoalguien habla español?
00:07.05dvhartArtisto, va a debian-es
00:07.10p30nx0563511: i would say 2k no doubt
00:07.14Artistoal canal?
00:07.19dvhartArtisto, si pues
00:07.35x0563511p30n: good idea. less MS "user-friendly" BS
00:07.41x0563511god i hate XP
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00:07.46p30nme 2
00:07.48souza10Manoj_: I copied the .deb from cd to /root/test then I run apt-ftparchieve but it doesn'work
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00:08.00x0563511just look at the symbol as a smile. thats got to be some kind of joke.
00:08.02x0563511XP
00:08.06adjacentsmj: i sent you some info about the subject earlier
00:08.07Manoj_souza10: no. A packages file is a list of all packages in a repository (in this csase, the cd) in a specific forat
00:08.09x0563511closed eyes, tounge sticking out
00:08.24Manoj_souza10: you need to configure apt-ftparchivee
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00:09.20p30nnothing will happend if i leave the deb box in the middle of the installation overnight right?
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00:09.52resiakp30n: No.
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00:10.34dvhartdvhart, man debmirror you twit
00:10.43dvhart:-)
00:10.47clustyi want to boot a windows through lilo from another harddrive what should I write in lilo.cont (what I currently have does not work)
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00:12.53pepsi_im new to apt-get. fluxbox obviously needs xfree. I guess x-window-system-core is essential here. but "apt-get install fluxbox" only lists x-window-system-coe as 'suggested'. why? will this suggested package be installed if I go on with the apt-get command?
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00:13.07aurel42hey folks, is there a way to find out which kernel driver controls the scsi controller in a running box? i'd like to remove the dozen or so unused drivers.
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00:13.34aurel42pepsi: try aptitude instead, you might like it
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00:13.49skyisblueyeah! ;)
00:14.02aurel42pepsi: aptitude is a curses-based frontend for the apt-get command
00:14.14citralpepsi_: apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox and you're done
00:14.27citraljust type startx
00:14.42pepsi_aurel42: yea.. I started off with that but it feels sorta lame.. is it really good if I want to install stuff over a remote connection with a bad ssh client?
00:14.54bbhillHoly crap.. Aptitude looks like exactly what I need.
00:15.00bbhillnever knew that existed.
00:15.10ahewitthi all. I am setting up the multimedia keys on my keyboard using "hotkeys", however I have a vague recollection of using a "hotkeys" style program before that displayed the keypress on the screen...such as a volume bar that would go up and down with the volume keypresses. Does anyone know if this is right and what the package is called?
00:15.11pepsi_citral: so I do _need_ the x-window-system-core? why is it not 'required' then?
00:15.21citralblah, apt-get is everything one needs
00:15.23aurel42pepsi: well, then do what citral told you.
00:15.33skyisbluepepsi_: or aptitude and type "/" and "x-window-system" "n" "n".. "+" "g" "g"
00:15.36azeempepsi_: you need it if you want to run X application on your own desktop
00:16.05pepsi_azeem: thx! smart actually
00:16.16citralpepsi_: because you could install separately xserver-xfree86, xbase-clients, etc. x-window-system-core is a meta package with all the server, client, fonts etc.
00:16.33pepsi_skyisblue: hehe.. I feel that I need to learn the apt-command before going into those gui things
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00:16.45pepsi_citral: I see
00:16.46skyisblueok
00:17.10iheartdebiando any of you know how to set a webpage as the desktop in X?
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00:17.44Gwildorumm, firefox closes when i try to go to a specific site, any idea why?
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00:18.02citralGwildor: open it from an xterm to know
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00:18.15citralI mean "launch it"
00:18.56d0twhat audio cards support TRUE surround sound in Linux?
00:18.58Gwildorcitral, i knew what you meant, for some reason, i never think of that, even though i know that is the answer.......ill learn one day
00:19.32livingtmI am trying to add a printer, and i get the following error :"There was an error loading kdeprint_lpd. The diagnostic is: Library files for "kdeprint_lpd.la" not found in paths" anyone help?
00:19.38aurel42anyway, i have this remote system and no idea what driver is used for the "lsi megaraid" scsi controller. i can't look at the monitor during boot. it's running. can i find out what driver i need to include in the next kernel i build?
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00:19.56HeatHawkhey guys
00:20.00citrald0t: you could check on alsa.org
00:20.04d0thola
00:20.07HeatHawkim having troubles getting this mount to work for users
00:20.10d0tthanks citral, im actually there now
00:20.26citrald0t: I think the turtle do it
00:20.32d0tbut im not seeing anything really laid out clearly indicating they do/dont
00:20.34d0tahhh, cool
00:20.36d0tchecking now
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00:20.42d0tthanks alot
00:20.51citralI *think* don't take it for a word :P
00:20.52HeatHawkas soon as the user mounts it, it becomes owned by root and the user cant view it (its an ntfs partition)
00:20.57d0thehe
00:20.59Gwildorcitral, it says segment fault, its probably something to do with flash....what is the mozilla flash pligin package name?
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00:21.27Gwildorcitral, i searched synaptic for flash, and grabbed the only mozilla related thing
00:21.37Gwildorcitral, seems i was wrong
00:21.58citralGwildor: there is a buggy debian package called swf-player, and a plugin that installs directly from firefox when you go on a site with flash (for x86 only)
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00:22.25citralswf-player sucks anyway, better forget it
00:22.35Gwildorcitral, oh, i didnnt know i could use the mozilla plugin grabber, it didnt work in ubuntu
00:22.52citralGwildor: this is #debian ...
00:23.15aurel42there*s also libflash-mozplugin
00:23.30Gwildorcitral, i have sarge installed, i used to use ubuntu
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00:24.07Gwildoraurel42, that is what i grabbed, FF doesnt recognize it as a flash plugin, and FF crashes at a flash site, well, not even a flash site, just a site with flash on it
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00:24.28citralGwildor: anyway, I'd uninstall it and grab directly from firefox
00:24.43Gwildorcitral, ok, i will
00:24.44aurel42well, swf-player works for me.
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00:25.54aurel42pardon, i meant to say libflash-mozplugin works for me, swf-player crashes
00:25.55Gwildortis ok
00:25.55skyisblueGwilfor: not sure but http://www.quiss.org/swftools/
00:26.10chealerdoes any of the free java vms allow to avoid using the proprietary j2se as firefox extension (example kaffe, sablevm, jamvm)?
00:26.14skyisblueoops Gwildor
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00:26.26bal00hi all
00:26.36citralm00gli
00:26.56bal00I have a problem with slurpd not syncing my ldap servers
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00:27.08bal00anyone with experience on this?
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00:29.09Bogaurdhmm debian distros are named after toy story, right?
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00:29.24aurel42Bogaurd: indeed
00:29.33Bogaurdwho is sarge then?!
00:29.46Bogaurdi know wo0dy, sid & potato
00:29.51Bogaurdwood*
00:29.52SleepyPetethe lil green army guy
00:29.54Bogaurdwoody*
00:29.59Bogaurdoh ok
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00:30.22d0twhich sound card manufacturers support Linux, other then Creative?
00:30.33d0t(who does so indirectly, from what ive gathered)
00:30.44Bogaurdd0t, nvidia audio works on linux
00:30.47skyisbluedpkg: f4l is flash for linux or http://f4l.sf.net
00:30.48dpkgokay, skyisblue
00:31.06d0tahhhh, is that onboard?  or do they make a pci card?
00:31.08RoadrunneHi @ll, whats a good combination of POP3 and SMTP server with mySQL support?
00:31.22HeatHawkHi there. I cant seem to get any users to view my ntfs mount, only root can. I changed the fstab to user (users) and the user can mount, but when viewing it says Permission Denied?
00:31.58d0tyou need to set umask
00:32.02d0theathawk ;-)
00:32.08d0tnot sure what the exact settings are
00:32.12Bogaurdd0t, my nforce2 audio works fine... thats onboard. im not 100% sure, but i think some sound cards are now powered by nvidia based audio chipsets
00:32.15d0tI can show you mine though I guess
00:32.23HeatHawkive never had  to do that before with ntfs partitions...
00:32.24HeatHawkhmm
00:32.27d0tthanks Bogaurd
00:32.39Bogaurdd0t, no probs :)
00:32.46paulswmHeatHawk: or uid= and gid= if it's the one user
00:32.47d0t/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       ntfs    ro,user,umask=0 0       0
00:33.07d0tworks for me!  Not sure why just the 'user' option didnt allow privs
00:33.11d0t(and added to the proper group)
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00:33.43azeembrian_: RTFM
00:33.44HeatHawkHa
00:33.48HeatHawkumask worked
00:33.50HeatHawkthanks dude
00:33.53d0tnp!
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00:34.33d0tpaulswm - is it better for security purposes to configure it just for the single uid?
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00:35.41kruziif i want to make a .sh run what chmod do i use
00:35.44d0tanyone  :D   Is it better to use a uid/gid for a single user, rather then umask?
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00:35.48paulswmd0t: I dunno, I'm the only one using this box so I did: /dev/hda1  /media/xp/c  ntfs  defaults,ro,user,noauto,uid=paul,gid=paul  0  0
00:35.53d0tahhh  :D
00:35.54citralkruzi: chmod +x
00:35.58d0tcool, thanks man
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00:36.52d0tinteresting...  Im trying to lock my machine down as much as possible, so if anyone can clarify, i'd appreciate it....
00:36.55smurfdQuestion, anyone using Testing/Sarge and Evolution 2.0.3?! The calendar isnt working as it should. Cant add a meetings and stuff like that, anyone experiencing the same?.
00:37.32kruzii want to in my shell script have a line that logins into say 10.10.10.1 ftp server on port 21 with the username and password of chris, how would i do that?
00:37.32dracsmurfd: BTS
00:38.04kruzianyone?
00:38.17Myreni got a mp3 set from this band Air, its only four tracks
00:38.27Myrenbut it loads in my player as a whole list of tracks
00:38.39paulswmd0t: a reading of man mount or fstab will prolly fill you in
00:38.40Myrenit breaks down one mp3 into a whole set
00:38.42Myrenhow?
00:38.52citralkruzi: d'oh, just put a line saying ftp chris:pass@10.10.10.1 in a text file, but remember it's lame
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00:39.02Bogaurdwhy hasnt my vim got colours? how can i turn on highligting in vim?
00:39.08petemckruzi: you could put the credentials in ~/.netrc
00:39.12Myren:set color, and #vim
00:39.16citralBogaurd: vi ~/.vimrc
00:39.41Gumbycan anyone help with this... I have about 50 tar.gz files in a directory... how can I extract them all with a single command?  is it possible
00:39.46paulswmBogaurd: RTFM and I mean that nicely of course :)
00:40.14Bogaurdpaulswm, thanks :) i just needed to know where to start ;)
00:40.15azeemGumby: for i in *.tar; do tar zxvf $i; done
00:40.23Gumbyazeem: awesome, thx
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00:40.25azeemor rather *.tar.gz
00:40.31citralGumby: for i in *; do tar zxvf $i; done
00:40.31MyrenGumby: find . -iname "*.tar.gz" -exec {} \;
00:40.43paulswmBogaurd: heh, if you haven't, install the vim-docs package, I think that's what it's called
00:40.48Myrenerm, -exec tar -xvzf {} \;
00:40.58Bogaurdokay
00:41.10paulswmsee you all, stay safe and try not to break anything
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00:41.55orchidclear
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00:43.57kruzicitral: that dont work ftp chris:pass@10.10.10.1
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00:45.31citral!doesn't work
00:45.32dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
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00:45.52kruziftp: myusername:mypass@mybox.kruzi.org: Unknown host
00:45.58kruziis that output i get.
00:46.21azeemkruzi: seems your ftp does not handle that
00:46.31kruzihmm.  its proftpd.
00:46.35petemckruzi: at the risk of sounding redundant, look into using ~/.netrc
00:46.44kruzinormally pretty good with that kinda stuff
00:46.45citralkruzi: I had that problem with the "ftp" package, apt-get remove ftp; apt-get install gftp-text solved it
00:46.51Pirukruzi, your ftp *client*
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00:46.54kruziah
00:46.55azeemkruzi: it's a client issue
00:48.14RoadrunneHi @ll, whats a good combination of POP3 and SMTP server with mySQL support?
00:48.30citralkruzi: but 1) be sure you really want to have a text file with your login and pass 2) set the right permissions 3) remember that your login and pass will go outside in CLEAR TEXT anyway
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00:49.13citralelnovato: keep that for you please.
00:49.31kruzihmm now my shell script sits at a gftpd prompt connected
00:49.38kruzinto running the next command
00:50.15azeemRoadrunne: why do you need mySQL support for an SMTP server?
00:50.20azeemhmm
00:50.29citralkruzi: we are not your shell teachers... search a little bit by yourself
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00:50.52citral!spoonfeeding
00:50.52dpkgSpoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions.  Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers.
00:51.03citraldamn right
00:52.33kruzione more question if i NFS a drive over the internet to another box, will it use much bandwidth if its just idle
00:52.37kruzieg: not being accessed etc
00:53.08petemckruzi: you're not a big one for security, are you?
00:53.13elnovatoyou are the perfect  winxp user kruzi
00:53.23kruziwhats a better alternative to nfs?
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00:53.40kruzii wanna map a drive from my home box to a box at work
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00:53.49azeemkruzi: eh, over the internet?
00:53.54citralkruzi: nfs is fine for LAN, for "outside" use ssh, scp
00:53.54dataw0lfnot very secure.
00:54.26ferretecho #irssi j
00:54.56ferret*facedesk*
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00:55.26AzoffHi!
00:55.35citralkruzi: if your boxes have static IP, that could be OK by accepting connection only from one IP, and rejecting the rest, but if it's dynamic it's pretty insecure
00:56.16AzoffI just got some problem with the new libc6 package in stable, localedef gets killed:
00:56.20Azoff/usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 23: 24563 Killed                  localedef -i $input -c -f $charset $locale
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00:56.35Azoffwhat can I do about it?
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00:56.56NachPlushow do I found out which repository certain packages are coming from?
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00:57.31dondelelcaroNachPlus: apt-cache policy; will help you out somewhat. But there's no way of auditing it direclty.
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00:57.51skyisblueNachPlus: or aptitude and type "/"
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00:58.14citralNachPlus: apt-cache show package will show you if it's in main, non-free and so
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00:59.50ncsuIs there any kind of powerpoint program for debian, that you can later use with microsoft powerpoint?
01:00.02elnovatoncsu: gaim
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01:00.04azeemncsu: openoffice
01:00.09citralncsu: openoffice afaik
01:00.10azeemelnovato: eh?
01:00.15ncsugaim?
01:00.23elnovatoerr.. the whisky
01:00.43ncsuopenoffice presentation?
01:00.48petemcimpress, from openoffice
01:01.07citralelnovato: you're not the only person to be drunk here, please keep it for you it's really not interresting.
01:01.26ncsucool, thanks
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01:01.33Bogaurdhey guys: look at my tribute to debian woody :D
01:01.38Bogaurdhttp://mercury-x.sytes.net
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01:01.52ncsuyeah, i ment impress, dunno why i said presentation
01:02.18azeemncsu: so why did you ask in the first place? =)
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01:02.26NachPlusI found a bug in Package: mingw32 Version: 3.4.2.20040916.1-1 Maintainer: Ron Lee <ron@debian.org>, who should I report this too?
01:02.34ncsuwell, someone said openoffice so i checked and found it, didn't even think to look
01:02.39azeemah
01:02.43azeemNachPlus: what kind of bug?
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01:03.03NachPlusazeem, the binaries it produces segmentation fault when using throw()
01:03.11chealer!bts
01:03.11dpkgi heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
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01:03.16Pirunachplus, use 'reportbug' ?
01:03.19citralNachPlus: reportbug is fine
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01:04.04citralNachPlus: it paste automatically your system datas, kernel version, package version etc. to the report
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01:04.20yaluhello, how can I let exim (configured as a satellite system) let root's mail redirect to a non-local email adresse? I know this is not recommended but rules are there to be broken
01:04.31NachPlusUm, does reportbug use e-mail?
01:04.42petemcyalu: /etc/aliases
01:04.43dondelelcaroyalu: have root alias to foo@bar.baz; instead
01:04.46directhexNachPlus, yes
01:04.57yaludondelelcaro:  and petemc : thanks
01:05.05dondelelcaroyalu: although, odds are you don't even need exim on that satellite system, and would be better served with something like nullmailer
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01:05.10NachPlusThat's not good, my e-mail send doesn't work
01:05.14elnovatosorry citral..
01:05.19seekinghi
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01:05.50yaludondelelcaro: nullmailer, why?
01:06.02yalunever heard of it
01:06.10citralNachPlus: then http://bugs.debian.org
01:06.16dondelelcaroyalu: unless you need to receive mail, there's no point to having a full blown MTA on a system
01:06.27dondelelcaroyalu: sstmp is another example... there are a few others
01:06.47dondelelcaro!nullmailer
01:06.47dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/
01:06.48kremlynHmm.. is a 4gb drive sufficient for an install of Debian w/ Samba?
01:06.54dondelelcarokremlyn: yes
01:07.02citralkremlyn: of course
01:07.18yalukremlyn: 200 mb is enough
01:07.20kremlynAwesome.. :-) That means I can use the 80GB for pure data
01:07.21yaluplus daa off course
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01:07.27citral400 Mb should be enough without X
01:07.27yaludata
01:07.30elnovatokremlyn: privet camarad!!!
01:07.42kremlynelnovato: Zdrastvitye
01:07.57elnovatokremlyn: kak dela
01:08.15kremlynelnovato: Nichivo, a u tibye?
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01:08.30skyisblue626M and no-X11
01:08.36kremlyn(By the way, I'm an Aussie.. just russian descendency ;-)
01:08.41elnovatokremlyn: ya golesh svynya
01:08.43stew!tell elnovato about russian
01:09.13kremlynelnovato: You're doing what with a pig? ;-)
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01:09.38elnovatoerr... my russian.. the golden drink.. affects my brain
01:09.46kremlynahh hehe
01:10.16skyisblueelnovato: let me ask, why you drink?
01:10.17mike_hi, should i upgrade to the latest gnome desktop from backports.org if i am running a webserver/mailserver on this machine? I am running woody. Would this be a good idea ( i really want to try the new desktops)
01:10.19citraltry to drink french wine, it's not damaging.
01:10.28azeemmike_: no
01:10.43azeemmike_: get another machine and install sarge on it, if possible
01:10.45kremlynYeah I don't drink beer too much. But I love my wine.  Which is kinda weird for a 23 year old
01:10.45citralmike_: very bad idea, in fact
01:10.53elnovatoall writers (coders) drinks..
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01:11.10skyisblueaah
01:11.19debiancitral: it has free radical that'd speeden aging. :)
01:11.36lawnchairZING!
01:11.38mike_azeem: i'd like to put it on my other machione and dual boot it with windows, but i don't want it to stuff up and ive never done dual booting before.
01:11.45Delphkremlyn: not really; i know some who are addicted to malibu and tonic.
01:11.57dondelelcarobleh
01:12.10azeemmike_: dual booting is far easier and better than putting a backported desktop on a server, IMHO
01:12.11dondelelcarosome people need to develop taste in their alchohol consumption
01:12.13stewseems like quite a waste of tonic
01:12.20kremlynmike_: Though probably not appropriate for this channel, if all you want to do is try the new GNOME and you don't want to risk hosing your windows partition, install Ubuntu.
01:12.26Delphstew: its not.
01:12.37skyisbluealcholic- shudder
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01:12.47citralanything sweet makes me vomit.
01:12.50kremlynmike_: Once you decide you like GNOME 2.8, then learn how to dual boot Debian ;-)
01:12.50azeemkremlyn: sarge hoses windows partitions?
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01:13.09kremlynazeem: No, but mike_ has said he is not confident with dual booting.
01:13.12Delphdondelelcaro: i know, i can't stop him. Imagine me trying to order a Fiddlers Nadgers at the bar, and a malibu and tonic to go alongside.
01:13.18directhexdual booting debian involves gthe tricky process of installing it to disk!
01:13.19stewazeem: only when requested to
01:13.21azeemkremlyn: so how does ubuntu help?
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01:13.28mike_kremlyn: i know how to dual boot, just don't want to lose all my other stuff it it doesn't work
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01:13.46Delphazeem: the magic of live cd's
01:13.52citralbecause you'd need to resize the partition?
01:13.53kremlynazeem: Automagically detects the "other" OS..
01:13.57skyisbluemike_: if you didn't install gnome, try garnome.
01:14.00azeemkremlyn: sarge does that as well
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01:14.12directhexkremlyn, so does sarge...
01:14.18azeemkremlyn: it can even resize NTFS partitions, which warty cannot
01:14.22shmikewill someone direct me to a site on how to get my usb gamepad working?
01:14.23kremlynazeem: Nice, I guess that makes sense given the ubuntu installer is basically the sarge installer anyway ;-)
01:14.34azeemright
01:15.08NachPlusdirecthex, citral: this might sound like a stupid question, but I'm trying out reportbug and now for the part where I write the bug description, I can't figure out how to type :P
01:15.08kremlynazeem: Sarge installer can resize NTFS partitions?!
01:15.09skyisblue!garnome
01:15.09dpkggarnome is, like, at http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/, or it's also a bad-ass, bleeding edge GNOME distribution for testers and tweakers everywhere. Those not paying attention can stay after class.
01:15.18DelphNachPlus: press i, and see if anything happens.
01:15.26NachPlusAh yes
01:15.29NachPlusthanks Delph
01:15.31Delphwelcome to vi =:)
01:15.35azeemkremlyn: yes, AFAIK
01:15.52directhexoh, vi. yay for vi
01:15.53Delphyou might want to set $EDITOR sometime.
01:16.01kremlynazeem: fair enough, I've not seen the option.  Then again, I've never installed Debian on a machine with an NTFS-formatted drive in it.
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01:16.08stewNachPlus: export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano
01:16.13citralshmike: did you really search? fourth hit on google: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x194.html
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01:16.20stewNachPlus: or update-alternatives --config editor
01:16.20NachPlusDelph, I generally use the KDE collection of text editors KEdit etc.., and if in console, nano
01:16.21directhexNachPlus, learn vi, or run EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano reportbug rather than just reportbug
01:16.35DelphNachPlus: well, if you have to, i suppose.
01:16.52directhexNachPlus, though generally, i to start typing, escape, then :wq to save & quit
01:17.04skyisblueNachPlus: or ZZ
01:17.07lonebearsupported hardware question:  are any of the shuttle systems useable?
01:17.09citralNachPlus: in case of panic, :q!
01:17.13_Figti_je cherche, je cherche... sans trop de succès. est-ce que qq'1 pourrait m'orienter vers un howto pour changer de DM? (je voudrais que mon user 'toto' utilise IceWM au lieu de KDE...)
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01:17.16directhexlonebear, al of them.
01:17.24citral_Figti_: #debian-fr
01:17.24directhex!french
01:17.24dpkgVous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
01:17.26auximiniis anyone running snort with testing?
01:17.30lonebeargood! thx directhex
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01:17.36NachPlusWhy isn't the default editor nano?
01:17.39elnovatokremlyn: #debian-russian
01:17.45directhexlonebear, well. possibly not the new unreleased nforce 4 one yet
01:17.49NachPlusnano is simple has the commands clearly listed :P
01:17.51seekingIf I have a ADSL connection and my ethernet is working. What else would I need to setup in order for my connection to finally work?
01:17.54seekingI don
01:17.59citralNachPlus: uh, maybe bacause vi is WAYYYYY better?
01:18.04directhexNachPlus, nano IS the default, unless you install somethi9ng else
01:18.06skyisblueNachPlus: :w <filename> just in case you didn't write the name. and:q
01:18.07karstenNachPlus: Lots of reasons.
01:18.09seekingI don't need to dial or anything...
01:18.12lonebeari'm looking at one of the barebones on special, maybe the one with 802.11 included
01:18.13azeemseeking: do you have an ADSL router?
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01:18.22directhexNachPlus, want a hot sexy tip? update-alternatives --config editor
01:18.22seekingazeem: yes
01:18.27mike_thanks guys
01:18.29karstendirecthex: Isn't it nano-tiny or somesuch?
01:18.29azeemseeking: which does DHCP?
01:18.36citralsexy directhex
01:18.44directhexlonebear, 802.11 i'm less sure about, since so many 802 manufacturers are anti linux
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01:18.47seekingazeem:  yes
01:18.48bbitzHello
01:18.51skyisbluevim is there. http://www.vim.org
01:18.57azeemkarsten: 'nano' is in base, AFAIK
01:19.02azeemdunno why it's not nano-tiny
01:19.16lonebeardirecthex: either the sn45gv2 or the sb65g2
01:19.17citralnano-tiny on rescue disks
01:19.22azeemseeking: so it should just work I guess if you setup your ethernet card to using DHCP
01:19.30karstencitral: Thanks.
01:19.40seekingazeem: should i set up resolv.conf?
01:19.47directhexlonebear, the basic hardware of both (nforce2, i865) are fully supported by any 2.4.23ish linux kernel
01:19.48bbitzWhat would be recommended to run on a 75Mhz 486?
01:19.52seekingazeem: or any other file?
01:20.02skyisbluein X11, use Kdevelop3, anjuta, kedit, gedit, kate, gvim..
01:20.04azeemseeking: no, /etc/network/interfaces
01:20.05directhexbbitz, nothing. bin it, or give it to charity
01:20.06lonebearthx
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01:20.14lonebearg'night all
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01:20.20azeemseeking: well, you need to setup /etc/resolv.conf, if DHCP does not do that for you
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01:20.24citralbbitz: maybe a firewall
01:20.28azeembut first try without
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01:20.46seekingazeem: I will search info on that. Thanks!
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01:21.09xml1Does anyone know where lynx stores its cookies?
01:21.25directhexseeking, resolv.conf is overwritten every time your dhcp client runs. you can add overrides to the dhcp client config file
01:21.31shmikecitral: i am searching now andworking on it
01:21.41bbitzI am not throwing it out, I am wanting to run software designed for the hardware. New stuff is designed for fast machines it seems.
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01:22.07directhexbbitz, technically you can install sarge on a 486 with 24mb ram
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01:22.34citralshmike: I think the link I gave you is good, section USB Joystick and Gamepad support
01:22.37shmikecitral: I got it working
01:22.40skyisbluebbitz: try deli linux for the low hardware.
01:22.41citralcool
01:22.46shmikety for the help
01:22.48bbitzWhat version of X11 was around in 1995?
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01:23.17directhexbbitz, 3.0 at a guess
01:23.18citralbbitz: you can almost forget X on a 75 MHz
01:23.30citralbbitz: how much RAM?
01:23.36bbitz32MB
01:23.43citrald'oh
01:23.45directhexnope, 3.1
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01:23.52debianix/say hellop
01:24.02skyisbluebbitz: http://delilinux.berlios.de
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01:24.27debianixexit
01:24.30debianixhola
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01:24.54debianixhola
01:25.04citralskyisblue: cool link
01:25.12skyisblueha ;-)
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01:25.26debianixwhat's i'm too using P1
01:25.29joe666<PROTECTED>
01:25.31debianixjejejej
01:25.46debianixpentium 75
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01:26.05debianixwhat's the problem
01:26.08debianix??
01:26.11debianixmen
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01:27.45Delphmen are usually the problem.
01:28.13elnovatoDelph: girl?
01:28.17joe666Delph, I would change "usually" for "always"
01:28.20NachPlusHow can I tell if reportbug managed to send the e-mail or not?
01:28.34Delphelnovato: no thankyou, i've already eaten.
01:28.50azeemNachPlus: check bugs.debian.org/mingw32 after a while
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01:29.00azeem(or whatever the package was called)
01:29.36NachPlusazeem, how long does it normally take?
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01:29.51azeemcould take up to an hour I guess
01:30.01azeemI heard the Bug Tracking System is pretty slow right now
01:30.14libvp30n: you might want to try the driver at unichrome.sf.net
01:30.43libvthat is, if your device is any of cle266, km400, k8m800 or pm800
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01:30.50NachPlusokay, thanks guys
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01:31.02d0tabout to install a new SB Audigy2 ZS, running linux-kernel-image-2.6.9-2-smp
01:31.11d0tshould I bother downloading the new drivers from ALSA
01:31.23d0tor just use modconf, to drop in the existing EMU101k module?
01:33.53nsillikdoes anyone here know anything about linux usb driver programming?
01:34.17azeemnsillik: I guess this is the wrong place
01:34.32skyisblue#c
01:34.39nsillikazeem: i know that but #kernel,  and #linux kernel, and #c are all failing me
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01:34.59nsilliki was hoping there was a DD kernel-dev or the like in here
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01:35.40Bogaurdhey... have a look at my debian servers page :) http://mercury-x.sytes.net
01:35.46azeemnsillik: #kernelnewbies (on oftc perhaps) might be better
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01:36.10azeemnsillik: is your problem Debian-specific?
01:36.20nsillikazeem: unfortunately no
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01:37.43skyisbluensillik: programming section at http://linuxquestions.org
01:37.48debianBogaurd: what kind of service? :)
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01:38.07d0tBogaurd - im watching your network usage spike as more people join in  :D
01:38.18nichoshow can i tell mkisofs which files to use? I want to use mkisofs to make an iso of a cd (i dont want to use dd)
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01:38.22Bogaurdd0t, it only updates every 5 mins :P
01:38.22nsillikthanks guys
01:38.31d0thehehe
01:38.34d0tits ADSL
01:38.41d0taccording to the graph  LOL
01:38.45debianBogaurd: argh, a front page of Big Fucking Image sucks
01:38.59Bogaurdd0t, also, images large images are hosted offshore
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01:39.05d0tabout to install a new SB Audigy2 ZS, running linux-kernel-image-2.6.9-2-smp
01:39.09d0tshould I bother downloading the new drivers from ALSA
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01:39.17Bogaurddebian, too bad :P
01:39.32d0tdebian testing, so its only  1.07 as apposed to 1.08 thats been posted
01:39.40d0tchecking out the changelog now though...
01:39.49debianBogaurd: what package to make such a nice monitoring website?
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01:39.56debiand0t: it's very nice
01:40.03ncsuwhats the recommended spell checker module?
01:40.13d0t:)  Hell yeah!!
01:40.21Bogaurddebian, you mean for the networking?
01:40.29debianBogaurd: aye
01:40.44debianI'm looking for some good webbased SNMP networking monitoring tools
01:40.47Bogaurddebian, that be RRDTOOL ;)
01:40.49debianjust to impress my boss
01:41.09Bogaurddebian, its just a perl script lol
01:41.14debianBogaurd: that's sweet, does it support SNMP?
01:41.24skyisbluenichos: apt-get install cdrecord
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01:41.46nichosskyisblue what are you talking about?
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01:41.59Bogaurddebian, it is simply a graphing tool, but very flexible. i think it would be very easy to get data from a SNMP device and put it into a graph
01:42.06Bogaurdbrb
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01:42.14sean_mic1enhow can i view what keyboard layout i am using?
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01:42.49elnovato!keyboard
01:42.50dpkgA keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys"
01:42.58skyisbluenichos: i think it's better tool for burning cd.
01:43.16nichosskyisblue i didnt say iw ant to burn a cd, i wanted to make an iso
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01:44.38debiannichos: just curious, have you 'man mkisofs' before you ask?
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01:45.10PERUANOhola
01:45.13PERUANOcomo estan
01:45.20PERUANOalguien que hable español
01:45.23akusarujinhow can a factoid be made to use $1 with blootbot?
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01:45.40elnovatooh no!!! no me mates PERUANO!!! toma mi billetera y mi reloj!!
01:45.45debianakusarujin: like this?
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01:45.49debian!give up akusarujin
01:45.50dpkgakusarujin, you're impossible to help. You do things and don't inform your helper that you did. You don't do things you were told to. *shrugs* We've every justification to throw our hands up in exasperation.
01:46.01akusarujinyeah
01:46.07Agatha_ChristieNightwish rules.
01:46.18debianakusarujin: /msg dpkg literal cmd: give up (.*?)
01:46.26debianakusarujin: for hints
01:46.32PERUANOelnovato para que
01:46.44helixPERUANO: #debian-es
01:46.46PERUANOno quiero
01:46.47skyisbluenichos: http://burgner.sf.net
01:46.48helixy tu tambien, elnovato
01:46.50akusarujindebian, thanks, i was trying to make literal explain it, but it was giving me weird responses
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01:46.56elnovatoPERUANO:  que no vienes a asaltarnos??
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01:47.05PERUANOcmo entro a debian es ayudenme
01:47.12elnovatoheh just kidding
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01:47.16helixPERUANO: por favor, #debian-es
01:47.17ncsuhow would i get Print Screen working?
01:47.17PERUANOno yo tengo  plata
01:47.30PERUANOsi quieres te doy para que tu mama deje de ser perra
01:47.30debianPERUANO: you've been warned twice. please
01:47.31citraldebian: you created yesterday, after the Grub Lilo story heh
01:47.39citraldebian: nice factoid
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01:48.03debiancitral: yeah, I know Phated would track me down and hunt me for this
01:48.10citralhehehe
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01:48.29citraldon't fear her
01:48.44ncsuanyone?
01:49.02debiancitral: no I worship her with sacrifice
01:49.15Piruofferings
01:49.18citralnooooo!
01:49.32Piru\o/
01:49.39debiancitral: don't fear her
01:50.00WaltherWhy just few apps have icons in my menu?
01:50.03citralI do, secretely
01:50.56citralI suspect Phated to eat the head of men
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01:51.02baronsamediWalther: install the 'menu' package and run "update-menus" from your user account
01:51.11Waltherdid that
01:52.13debiancitral: she does. but don't each virgin boys' heads like yours. don't worry
01:53.05citralhum... i will be father soon, so you can keep the "virgin" part :)
01:53.08scarynetworkguyMerlinCorey: Just the dock that comes by default. Just use obconf to configure it.
01:53.13Waltherbaronsamedi: nope just few apps still have icons
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01:53.58ahewittHi all,
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01:55.57akusarujindebian, does blootbot by default support the cmd: factoids or (i'm guessing so) is that a specific hack for dpkg?
01:56.14citralfunny to see all the people throwing hand up "What? you are only 24 and you'll get a child? oh my" but 20-30 years ago, it was just "normal" to get a child between 20 and 25
01:56.40citral</offtopic>
01:57.18Waltherwhatchu need child fo?
01:57.40ahewittI have just got sound working on my desktop but the gnome volume control doesn't work...I can adjust the volume with a mixer, and with the volume buttons on my keyboard...but not the gnome one...anyone know of a reason why?
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01:58.53citralWalther: you'll know why when you get one.
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01:59.25Walthercitral: knowing me....   no thinks
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02:00.24bbitzHello
02:00.32scarynetworkguy"get a child" What are you a pedophile?
02:00.49bbitzHow do I give shutdown privliges to a user on a workstation?
02:00.54citralscarynetworkguy: what would be a correct sentence?
02:01.03scarynetworkguybbitz: sudo.
02:01.41bbitzI tried sudo a while ago... seems complex.
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02:02.21bbitzI thought there already was a way, Redhat allows shutdown without logging into the machine...
02:02.21citralbbitz: you *could* change the group of /sbin/shutdown to admin, for example, and add yourself to this group, but sudo is THE way
02:04.15directhexbbitz, sudo is the correct way.
02:04.24FieldySnuts@lart redhat
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02:04.29citrallaxism has never been a value
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02:05.09directhexat its simplest level, install sudo, visudo, add the line: "ALL     ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown"
02:05.15directhexedit to suit your tastes
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02:05.37plugwashyou mean ssmtp?
02:05.44zakamehi all! wazup?
02:05.47plugwashoops was scrolled up
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02:07.46popeyeI'm trying to install sarge on my pc and grub/lilo don't want to install all the way or something - when i reboot grub just stands there with "loading" and lilo just shows an "L" and nothing more.  this is the first time i've seen this with debian, any advice?
02:08.06popeyei'm using the latest netinstall cd
02:08.24elnovatoseems you hard disk is broken
02:08.28elnovatobuy new one
02:08.29vladsteris ther a way to link an obsolete package called normalize to normalize_audio
02:08.30thorie_im having trouble with my system... it's been running great for the past year and i haven't really changed it... lately though i've been getting strange errors, such as, when I type 'ls' i get: ls: Input/output error
02:08.47thorie_What does this mean? Why am I getting Input/output errors and processes crashing?
02:08.58popeyeelnovato, but it was working right when i rebooted the pc, and fedora works
02:09.04azeemthorie_: might be failing hardware
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02:09.21elnovatopopeye: go back to fedora
02:09.22azeemthorie_: check the system logs, like /var/log/messages
02:09.29thorie_azeem: can I run apt-get install new hardware?
02:09.30popeyeelnovato, i left my cds at home :(
02:09.32azeemor /var/log/kernel.log
02:09.36elnovatolol
02:09.45ntkQuestion: I was installing a whole bunch of packages on the laptop, and it lost power in the middle of configuring them.  what can i do to resume the process without having to download and install them all over?
02:09.46popeyeand i prefer debian anyway, just wondering if this is at all a common occurance or something
02:10.06elnovatopopeye:  seems you are unable to setup your partitions without the Wizards on fedora
02:10.08thorie_Jan 13 17:29:16 thorie kernel: hdb: read_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=12583016, sector=12583016
02:10.11thorie_Jan 13 17:29:16 thorie kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 12583016
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02:10.13ntkany ideas?
02:10.14thorie_that's in /var/log/messages
02:10.19thorie_what does that mean?
02:10.29thorie_it's been working fine for the last year and a half, why would it fail?
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02:10.41thorie_i thought linux was supposed to be stable
02:10.41popeyeelnovato, ive never had trouble manually setting them up in debian before
02:10.52popeyemaybe its a bug ill check it with other pcs
02:10.57Ungy_what package is dig in?
02:11.09Ungy_apt-cache search isn;t working
02:11.10FieldySnutsthorie_: that's your hard drive failing. don't blame linux.
02:11.25thorie_FieldySnuts: what should I do?
02:11.31FieldySnutsduh.
02:11.37thorie_get windows?
02:11.46citralGAH
02:11.52skyisbluepopeye: do you have floppies?
02:12.03popeyeskyisblue, unfortunately i dont have a single floppy around here
02:12.05FieldySnutsidiot, i said it's your hard drive failing. since you're obviously too thick, yes, go back to windows, and watch it fail there too. brb food
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02:12.26thorie_Jan 13 17:29:16 thorie kernel: EXT2-fs error (device ide0(3,64)): ext2_read_inode: unable to read inode block - inode=786745, block=1572877
02:12.43directhexthorie_, yes, your hard disk is failing. we don't care.
02:12.46Ungy_thorie_ thats a hardware failure
02:12.54citralthorie_: HINT: ext2 has no journal
02:12.54thorie_i just want to know how to fix it
02:13.00Ungy_Hardware has nothign to do with software contact the manufacturere
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02:13.05directhexthorie_, return the drive for a replacement.
02:13.09directhexthorie_, or buy a new one
02:13.17thorie_the drive is almost 9 years old
02:13.25thorie_i don't think the company exists anymore
02:13.26directhexthen the latter option.
02:13.26citralor maybe his ext2 is just corrupted?
02:13.37samuelhello all
02:13.39StyngerHi all got a quick question...how do you type | in the command prompt?
02:13.40Ungy_what package is "dig" in
02:13.41thorie_it makes loud rattling sounds
02:13.44ApEtcthorie_: You now have an excuse to upgrade
02:13.50thorie_what does it mean when a hard drive has loud rattling sounds?
02:13.52baronsamediif you've a drive that isn't scsi and is 9 years old, count yourself lucky you've not had to replace it yet
02:13.56FieldySnutstroll.
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02:13.57citralthorie_: it's fucked
02:13.57ApEtcImminent death
02:14.02thorie_*clunk*clink*clunk*
02:14.02directhexthorie_, if it's so very blatantly a hardware issue, why were you moaning about it being a linux issue?
02:14.10FieldySnutstroll.
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02:14.24gimbalhi; does anyone know if there is an svg version of the debian logo? can google, but through to chk here fst
02:14.34thorie_is it hard to copy my files over?
02:14.38thorie_(to a new disk)
02:14.39gimbalks msng . btry lw
02:14.43Ungy_What package is "dig" in please I can;t find it
02:14.43citralgimbal: wrong approach
02:14.48samuelanyone know what to look for here? im looking for something to cancel out the surrounding sound the mic picks up and just get the voice? any ideas how to google?
02:14.51directhexthorie_, depends how many of your files are recoverable
02:14.52Ungy_thorie shut up
02:15.02directhexthorie_, you DO have a proper backup procedure, right?
02:15.03skyisbluegimbal: vector image?
02:15.09gimbalskyisblue:  yah
02:15.11thorie_directhex: no
02:15.43citralFFS, #debian is not supposed to be your brain, google, or your manpage
02:15.46thorie_directhex: i have a lot of important files, so i dont have any spare room for backups
02:15.51elnovatosorry im too drunk to support people, im going bed.. bye guys
02:15.54tomb0ydoes anyone know how to give ops to a channel if youre an ircop? just set up a localhost irc server and not sure how to do that
02:16.00tomb0yi already have /oper status
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02:16.10debiancitral: what do I eat for breakfast today?
02:16.11directhexthorie_, HAD important files. now your disk is failing. some may be salvagable, not all. what did you learn?
02:16.16Ungy_citral sorry man I can;t find dig google and apt-cache search isn;t helping me
02:16.39debiancitral: what gives better performance? i++ or i=i+1?...
02:16.41citralUngy_: I was not speaking about you...
02:16.51thorie_directhex: nothing
02:17.02citraldebian: the same, i++ is just shorter
02:17.03FieldySnutsif you didn't have backups, i don't have any sympathy. hard lesson.
02:17.08thorie_directhex: other than it sucks when hardware fails
02:17.11debiancitral: thank you my brain. :)
02:17.12jkarnsthorie_, I'd try backing up, then running mke2fs with "bad block" option.  Sounds like surface problem.  If it's just a few sectors, the drive might have some life left in it.
02:17.15azeemUngy_: try the search engine at packages.debian.org
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02:17.29thorie_jkarns: ok
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02:17.44thorie_let me first copy all of my files to a new hard disk drive
02:17.51xml1General question: the number IDs produced for say, a cookie, must be generated in some non-random fashion. Is there a standard method, or perhaps a way of reproducing the ID calculation? ie. efe8c5ade836a50e9e5bc4a460349bb6
02:17.53thorie_bbl
02:17.54jkarnsthorie_, ... although 9 yrs *is* kinda old for a drive.  Depends on how much it's been used.
02:17.55FieldySnutsthorie_: also get smartmontools , and run smartctl -a on the drive, see if smart has picked up errors. if there are any, it's just going to get worse.
02:18.05thorie_ok
02:18.16thorie_i better quit IRC then, keep my hdd operating low
02:18.18Ungy_azeem all I get is dns-utils back and cannot find that package
02:18.20FieldySnutsyep
02:18.22Guerinum, 9 years is fucking ancient unless it's been stored vacuum-sealed at ~10 degc all this time
02:18.25thorie_thanks guys bye
02:18.25gimbalfwiw: http://gnuart.onshore.com/debian_logos_svg.html
02:18.26citralUngy_: one sec
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02:18.28Manoj_xml1: looks like an md5sum or the output of uuidgen
02:18.28Delphxml1: galoise numbers.
02:18.31azeemUngy_: are you running woody?
02:18.35citralUngy_: dnsutils
02:18.50FieldySnutsspeaking of backups I haven't done my daily full backup yet. brb
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02:18.56Ungy_thanks citral
02:18.59debianFieldySnuts: hehe
02:19.10FieldySnuts<3 rsync
02:19.14Manoj_Hmm,  so that was uuidgen. so the sequence xml1 gave must be md5sum of something
02:19.14directhexbackups are for losers with 8 year old kit
02:19.15directhex:P
02:19.19Flutenhow do i specify what window manager to start after i login to x using xdm?
02:19.19citralUngy_: apt-file search /usr/bin/dig ;)
02:19.20debianFieldySnuts: nice balls
02:19.24Delphrandom function that lives within a constrained set, and has a easy function for gettin the next value out.
02:19.24Delphor just encrypt an integer in a way that it turns into a larger code.
02:19.27popeyedoes anyone have an explaination as to why grub would fail to install all the way to the MBR when installing debian? it just sits there indefinitely with "loading" and ive installed debian on this computer dozens of times before, although i did just replace the motherboard about a week or two ago...
02:19.27FieldySnutsargh not balls!!
02:19.29jkarnsthorie_, most nower style IDE drives do auto bad block allocation, something like bad block option, should trigger it.
02:19.32Fluteni have "exec icewm" in .xinitrc and .xstartup in my home directory, but it seems to ignore those
02:19.33Ungy_citral you were right thanks
02:19.36gaasfetldconfig: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.6106 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
02:19.41xml1Manoj_ and Delph, do you think there's a way of reproducing it, as I know the logon credentials used to generate it.
02:19.47Flutenand starts gnome instead
02:19.55debianFieldySnuts: you realize rsync has problems backuping up hardlinks? I learn my *hard* lesson when doing the restore for the first time
02:20.09FieldySnutsdebian: never had problems, shrug
02:20.10xml1Manoj_, how do you know it is uuidgen?
02:20.28debianFieldySnuts: all hardlinks failed. May be it's just me, but I don't use rsync for backup anymore
02:20.32FieldySnutshome, production, many restores, never had problems
02:20.52FieldySnutsrsync -avD generally does the trick, obviously with excludes etc
02:21.01directhexgaasfet, why are you running nvidia-glx 61.06, and where did you get it from?
02:21.02debianFieldySnuts: I belive I've consult someone who maintain rsync and he admitted the problems exist. Ithink you could google for my post. I'm not so sure
02:21.17FieldySnutsnot worried
02:21.29FieldySnutsdamn this drive is fast
02:21.41FieldySnuts(for ide)
02:22.07citralthat makes me think, I'll have to backup my .irssi, .muttrc and so on a ZIP soon. I back up only my music :P
02:22.23Manoj_xml1: does not seem to be uuidgen, no
02:22.39xml1Manoj_, ok
02:22.55Manoj_that was md5sum from "hah"
02:23.11xml1How did you work that out?
02:23.29debianFieldySnuts: the problems was old and may be it was fixed. Butyou never knwo next time you restore
02:23.38Manoj_xml1: echo hah | md5sum
02:23.43Manoj_xml1: try that
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02:23.53gaasfetdirecthex|work:  www.nvidia.com
02:24.10halokihello
02:24.12xml1Manoj_, ok, got that, but it's not the same! Sorry, I thought you'd just broken it.
02:24.25citral9e3e59ee51e4bcd3e959fe7ac870b38e is the md5sum of badger
02:24.37Guerinwell, how useful is that.
02:24.43citralVERY
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02:24.47Guerinterribly
02:24.55dambodogis there a way to play this  activex.microsoft.com/activex/controls/mplayer/en/nsmp2inf.cab?
02:25.05FieldySnutsheh
02:25.10citraldambodog: kidding
02:25.24dambodogcitral, :)
02:25.27Guerindambodog: I hope not.
02:25.52skyisbluegimbal: are you there?
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02:26.00AdrianLP(OT) Heh, let me get this straight, the US held someone in prison for THREE years before deciding they didn't have enough evidence to charge him?  WTF?  (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/01/13/australia.gitmo/index.html)
02:26.19FieldySnuts@ops troll ( Adrian / AdrianLP )
02:26.24Manoj_xml1: now try it with the password you know is right; if it matches, it is a md5sum
02:26.27FieldySnutsoh come on
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02:26.31citralAdrianLP: who cares? US sucks by all means.
02:26.36dambodogok, to be serious for a sec, i am trying to listen to this streaming file.. radio.asx - ideas how i can do it?
02:26.38Manoj_xml1: if not, try sha256sum, or something
02:26.40FieldySnutssimonrvn: seems ravenbird's @ops is gone
02:26.42AdrianLPFieldySnuts: Troll, dude, sod off, I came in here earlier asking about Sun.
02:26.48FieldySnutsgo away
02:26.55Guerinoh, and that's not trolling...
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02:27.06debian!give up AdrianLP
02:27.14AdrianLPGuerin: You'er suggesting that being here because you have Debian questions is trolling?
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02:27.38Manoj_AdrianLP: US actions definitely seem off topic for this channel, though. there is a #worldpolitics or something which is more appropriate
02:27.40GuerinAdrianLP: asking about sun is a debian question in what way?
02:28.00azeemGuerin: they make hardware Debian runs on
02:28.03FieldySnuts@win Guerin
02:28.04AdrianLPGuerin: About the installation of JDK.  Check your buffer.
02:28.06ravenbirdCongratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120!
02:28.16AdrianLPManoj_: Ya, this channel *never* talks about off topic stuff does it.
02:28.25debian@give up AdrianLP
02:28.27AdrianLPManoj_: And I include the ops in that  :)
02:28.27ravenbirdAdrianLP, you're impossible to help. You do things and don't inform your helper that you did. You don't do things you were told to. *shrugs* We've every justification to throw AdrianLP hands up in exasperation.
02:28.37FieldySnutsof course we do, but generally trolling about world politics shit is considered especially irritating. so please stop.
02:28.57AdrianLPravenbird: What are you talking about?  I give all the pertinent details, every time, without exception.
02:28.58ravenbirdAdrianLP: de quoi tu parles?
02:28.58GuerinAdrianLP: you do have a point there.
02:29.11debianhehe
02:29.37citralbah, there was worse today. elnovato continually repeating "sorry, the whisky" was not better.
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02:29.44AdrianLPravenbird: In regards to what?  Earlier it was Sun, now its talking to you guys, and you know what I'm talking about.
02:29.45ravenbirdYou are moron #1, AdrianLP
02:29.58AdrianLPravenbird: Welcome to my ignore list twit.
02:29.58Guerincitral: he's chronic, eh. The dud should /j #aa
02:30.02ravenbirdWelcome to #debian,  this world of light and dark.
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02:30.11GuerinAdrianLP: ravenbird is a blootbot.
02:30.12citralGuerin: hell yes.
02:30.15debianHAHA
02:30.16MobyTurboAdrianLP: you idiot, ravenbird is a bot
02:30.30AdrianLPMobyTurbo: I'm tired of hearing it at any rate.
02:30.36FieldySnutsdebian: hehe
02:30.43citraldon't flame already.
02:30.50FieldySnutscitral: way too late
02:30.55MobyTurboAdrianLP: and I've only re-entered this channel a couple of minutes ago and I'm already tired of hearing you.
02:30.55AdrianLPWho is flaming?
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02:31.06FieldySnutsyou are, you started this shit with the politics trolling
02:31.12debianFieldySnuts: he almost got ravenbird have sex with him! XD
02:31.12AdrianLPMobyTurbo: Then stop talking to me, I only made one comment.  Every other one is in reply.
02:31.14citralAdrianLP: people at you
02:31.16FieldySnutsdebian: hehe
02:31.21ncsucan  you make an animated gif with gimp?
02:31.21AdrianLPcitral: I haven't flamed anyone.
02:31.25Manoj_well, people do seem to be ganging up on AdrianLP now
02:31.30citralAdrianLP: never said that
02:31.30AdrianLPcitral: As for them to me, who cares.
02:31.31FieldySnutsgee i wonder why
02:31.32Manoj_could we all please stop?
02:31.42ncsuor png
02:31.50AdrianLPYes, maturity please.
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02:32.00Guerinheh
02:32.05FieldySnutsin #debian ? laugh
02:32.17azeemFieldySnuts: eh?
02:32.25AdrianLPFieldySnuts: Maybe that's why they made #2 on that recent list?
02:32.31AdrianLPFieldySnuts: The channel that is.
02:32.32citralI just say, AdrianLP tried to put a silly offtopic US shit in here, we told him it was wrong, so just let's stop, maybe he will readjust his lame attitude.
02:32.38FieldySnutsas if we care
02:32.38azeem03:28 < AdrianLP> Yes, maturity please.
02:32.40plugwashim not sure what gimps status on gif right now is
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02:33.02AdrianLPcitral: It was a fair enough question.  I don't think any decent human being would read the cnn story and think it justified.
02:33.04plugwashthe main patent issue is gone but there are some smaller potential issues hanging around
02:33.06FieldySnutswell, if it has lzw compression anyway
02:33.07dogmeathow do you reset the keyboard if it was unplugged?
02:33.07azeem03:28 < AdrianLP> Yes, maturity please.
02:33.14Manoj_citral: please do not perpetuate thast topic here
02:33.16plugwashlike patents in a few other contries
02:33.32plugwashand an ibm patent that describes the same thing as the unisis one
02:33.32citralAdrianLP: what about the patents in Europe?
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02:33.43AdrianLPcitral: Fair enough, what is your specific question?
02:33.52nsillikis alioth down?
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02:34.00Guerin!poland++
02:34.03Manoj_well, especially patents as they applyu to software in debian
02:34.10AdrianLPcitral: Patents are mostly marketing rights, correct?
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02:34.19Manoj_shouyld debian stop distributing software that is patent encumbered?
02:34.41AdrianLPManoj_: Hmmm, I don't know that it really matters.  I'd have to hear arguments on the subject.
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02:34.47GuerinManoj_: depends on the patent-holder's policies.
02:34.55Guerinof course it matters
02:34.55mlewis00nsillik: I heard they were out of disk space...
02:35.00AdrianLPGuerin: Why?
02:35.11Manoj_right now there is a debate raging about why we throw out drivers with binary blobs in them out of the kernel distributed by debian
02:35.17AdrianLPGuerin: As far as I understand it, but Canadian law, patents are just based around marketing rights.
02:35.20nsillikmlewis00: umm.... i can't apt-get update or install anything right now... that's not good
02:35.28GuerinAdrianLP: I'm not talking about canadian law.
02:35.33Manoj_Guerin: is patent encumbered software really free?
02:35.42citralAdrianLP: my question was, does http://swpat.ffii.org/ speak to you a lot?
02:35.49AdrianLPGuerin: I live in Canada, and I don't think European patents even apply here do they?
02:36.04Manoj_citral: umm?
02:36.05plugwashManoj_ i thought the policy change that started all that binary blobs issue really raging was postponed until after sarge
02:36.31GuerinManoj_: I tend to think not.
02:36.38Manoj_plugwash: no, binary blobs have always been non free, there was no real policy change there
02:36.41toresbemorning people :)
02:36.44AdrianLPcitral: Did I not read in slashdot about 5 months ago that Microsoft patented the "double click"?
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02:36.58skyisbluencsu: http://cinepaint.sf.net
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02:37.05Manoj_plugwash: debian kernels are different from upstream kernels in the sense that they have those blobs excised
02:37.09GuerinAdrianLP: love to see that in court.
02:37.10citralAdrianLP: HAHAHA
02:37.17plugwashi seem to remember there were arguments about what counted as software
02:37.22skyisbluegimbal: apt-get install librsvg2-bin
02:37.25baronsamediooh, cinepaint, attended a lecture by the project leader for that.  mighty interesting stuff
02:37.28JoePenguinAmazon tried to patent one-click :)
02:37.32citralpatent the double click mwahahahahahahah
02:37.36plugwashthe result was that a removal of the word software was slipped hrough under the ediotrial changes name
02:37.41Manoj_plugwash: well, a binary driver is really software by all accounts
02:37.50AdrianLPGuerin: My point is, we're not going to remove that from visual Linux apps are we, just cause its patented...?  As I said, I don't think they amount to much.
02:38.05ncsuskyisblue: thanks, i just found this though, http://users.hol.gr/~andreas/gimp_ani_tut.htm
02:38.07plugwashManoj_ yes but what about binary firmware/settings/register sets sent direct to a card
02:38.11plugwashbut not run on the cpu
02:38.17Manoj_plugwash: and now we neatly sidestep defining software by sayign everything on an official debianb cd, or in main, must be free as per the dfsg
02:38.17plugwashdo they count as software?
02:38.39skyisblueywa
02:38.43AdrianLPplugwash: Ahhhhh, so your only concern is software?  That seems a bit hypocritical.
02:38.45skyisblueoops yaw
02:38.50plugwashManoj_ yeah and they slopped that in as an "editorial change"
02:38.51AdrianLPHonestly.
02:39.05plugwashim not saying it was a bad thing but calling it an editorial change was plain lieing
02:39.08Manoj_plugwash: it is encoded in 0's and 1.s, lives on a hard drive, is read in by the kernel, and sent down to the hardware -- sounds like software by all reasonable criteria
02:39.20GuerinAdrianLP: right. Which is why we need to look at things on a case-by-case basis, to determine whether 1) the patent is strong and 2) whether the patent holder is willing/able to prevent people from using implementations of their patent by legal means.
02:39.23Manoj_AdrianLP: it is software, hardware, or wetware
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02:39.31citricoderhi all!
02:39.36Guerinmmmm, calvados
02:39.40citricoderwhat's yacc?
02:39.46nsillikcalvados! hurrah
02:39.57Guerin!yacc
02:39.57dpkgit has been said that yacc is Yet Another Compiler Compiler, or apt-get install bison
02:39.59citricodercastellano, decuerdo!
02:40.01AdrianLPGuerin: But, honestly, what does it matter if software is patented?  Linux doesn't really use its smaller packages as advertisement salespoints.
02:40.14citricoderheheh recursive name ;)
02:40.20Manoj_plugwash: but it is really just an editorial change; the social contract was always meant to govern everything on a debian cd
02:40.30citralAdrianLP: drink your calvados and stay quiet a little bit
02:40.35GuerinAdrianLP: news flash: in the real world, patents don't just cover marketing.
02:40.43MobyTurboor apt-get install byacc
02:40.46Manoj_plugwash: the meaningn of the social contract did not change ecause oif the change; we just dropped wording that lead to red herring discussions
02:40.53AdrianLPcitral: I was asked a question.  When I am asked a question, I will respond.
02:40.54skyisbluecitricoder: or aptitude and "/" "yacc"
02:41.01AdrianLPGuerin: Not much more.
02:41.02citricoderManoj_: (o Y o)
02:41.07citralAdrianLP: relax max
02:41.12GuerinAdrianLP: that is simply not true.
02:41.17Manoj_citricoder: ?
02:41.27citricoderWell, the problem comes when i try to complie kismet
02:41.32citral\o/
02:41.34citral<PROTECTED>
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02:41.39citral\
02:41.41citralshit
02:41.43plugwashManoj_ if it realy was as small as that why did another vote once the real nature was revealed vote to push it back until after sarge?
02:41.45AdrianLPcitral: What do you mean relax?  You insult me, give a demand, then tell me to relax?  Perhaps you meant it as a joke?
02:41.58citralAdrianLP: when di I insult you?
02:42.15AdrianLPcitral: I consider things of this nature an insult, "drink your calvados and stay quiet a little bit"
02:42.20Manoj_plugwash: since we were not in compliance, and we needed to decide if we wanted to wait on releasing sarge until sarge complied
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02:42.41citralAdrianLP: <humour>
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02:42.46Manoj_plugwash: we decided we'll release sarge, even if it does not meet the social contract, and work harder on being in compliance
02:42.47AdrianLPcitral: Ok, did not know.
02:42.51plugwashManoj_ yes the changes to the policy changed it from possible noncompliance to definate noncompliance
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02:42.58dondelelcaroplugwash: the real nature of the vote was never in doubt. It was just assumed (incorrectly) that some grace period would be allowed for compliance.
02:43.04Manoj_plugwash: not in my opinion, no
02:43.05plugwashwith the possible depending on you interpretation of the policy
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02:43.16dondelelcaroplugwash: the second vote legislated the grace period.
02:43.22zakamehello! is there an IM that supports yahoo webcams aside from ayttm?
02:43.23Manoj_plugwash: I, and a binchof other folks, continue to think there was no real change
02:43.41Manoj_plugwash: if it was such a major change, why did no one say anything until well after the first vote?
02:43.49Manoj_plugwash: seems like a bunch of sore losers
02:43.59AdrianLPGuerin: I mean the whole "grant" and "use" would be out the window if it also abided by GNU right?
02:44.03Guerinthat was my feeling at the time
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02:44.16GuerinAdrianLP: what?
02:44.29citricoderI think that apt is insufficient when you try to compile something, i mean there are hidden deps.
02:44.38dogmeatis there a way to change the sensitivity of the eth0 interface via device driver arguments? im using a ethernet cat-10 cable that has transmit-receive wires reversed to connect two units nic ports. it works only after doing ifup eth0, but not during the boot sequence.
02:44.39Guerincitricoder: no, there aren't
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02:44.41citricoderat makefile
02:44.43AdrianLPGuerin: A patent.  A given package released for Debian, if under GNU license, that would exclude the possibility of a patent would it not?
02:44.49dondelelcarocitricoder: eh? That's what Build-Depends: are for.
02:44.49bob2citricoder: you could almost call 'build dependencies'
02:44.55Guerincitricoder: man apt-get / build-dep
02:45.02bob2citricoder: maybe you could add support for them to apt, and have them added to every source package?
02:45.29citricoderi whis i colud help
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02:45.38GuerinAdrianLP: no. Parents and licenses are separate. Something can be patented and licensed, and the two need not interfere with each other.
02:45.41Manoj_AdrianLP: umm, pakages under the GPL could also violate pattents
02:45.43bob2citricoder: it already exists
02:45.51citralcitricoder: apt-get build-dep
02:45.59Manoj_AdrianLP: I mean, everthing violates the double click patent :P
02:46.01citricoderOk, i'm gonna try builddep
02:46.08dondelelcarobuild-dep, not builddep.
02:46.08bob2citricoder: every single source package in Debian includes a complete list of packages you need to install to make it build, and a complete recipe for how to biuuild it automatically
02:46.10citralwith a -
02:46.13citricodersorry :(
02:46.16GuerinAdrianLP: you see, a patent applies specifically to a manner of doing something, whereas a license can apply to an implementation of a patentable manner.
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02:46.29citricoder:..(
02:46.37dondelelcaroGuerin: copyright license... not to be conflated with a patent license...
02:46.40bob2?
02:46.40citricoderthanks
02:46.44Guerinright
02:46.49citralcitricoder: ohhhh, give a :) now
02:47.00AdrianLPManoj_: Yes, and we have not stopped distributing those...
02:47.14Manoj_AdrianLP: in the past, yes
02:47.21Manoj_AdrianLP: should we have?
02:47.41AdrianLPGuerin: A patent gives right to "sell, use, and distribute" a work does it not?
02:47.47GuerinAdrianLP: which is why, getting back to my original point, we need to look at each potentially patented piece of software, and determine the veracity of it.
02:47.48dondelelcaroAdrianLP: Debian's policy on this sort of thing has been to blissfully ignore patents until people start to enforce them. When they start to enforce them, we have no choice but to deal with them.
02:47.51citricoder:)
02:47.56GuerinAdrianLP: NO, IT DOES NOT.
02:48.08Manoj_AdrianLP: patents apply to ideas, inventions, and methods, not a particular work
02:48.22Manoj_AdrianLP: you are confusing copyrights and patents
02:48.23AdrianLPManoj_: I don't think so.  The whole community is so worried about what to and to not include, they are scaring off industry who believe those packages we don't support are necessary.  And perhaps in that case, they are.
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02:48.31plugwashevery single source package in Debian includes a complete list of packages you need to install to make it build, and a complete recipe for how to biuuild it automatically <-- do all those work?
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02:48.45Carvannyolá gostaria de saber se alguem sabe com instalar no sarge o modem da luncent???
02:48.48AdrianLPGuerin: I guess dictionary.com is wrong  <shrugs>
02:48.54plugwashnot to mention the fact that some packages build depend on themselves
02:48.56citralAdrianLP: wouldn't it be something like "you're not allowed to reproduce, modify, enhance our work"?
02:49.03mostyplugwash, that's how the official debian packages are built. so yes
02:49.03Manoj_plugwash: well, since every package in debian is automatically built for 11 architectures, it had better
02:49.08skyisblueAdrianLP: did yo go this site? http://groklaw.net
02:49.09dondelelcaroAdrianLP: we don't give any more assurance when patents are concerned than any other company can possibly give.
02:49.11AdrianLPcitral: I thought that is what I said.
02:49.24GuerinAdrianLP: you need to read more than dictionary.com in this case.
02:49.27Manoj_plugwash: only one arch has a package uplaoded by the maintainer, on 10 others it is robotically bult
02:49.38AdrianLPskyisblue: Yes.  I can't speak on it, because it seems to me those laws are toally different than my own countries.
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02:49.49plugwashManoj_ not all packages support all architectures
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02:49.57Manoj_plugwash: how many packages build depend on themselves?
02:49.59dondelelcaroplugwash: yes, but most packages do.
02:50.24Manoj_plugwash: true. but about 99% or better support more than one architecture
02:50.34plugwashManoj_ i know fp-compiler does and i strongly suspect gcc does too
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02:50.40plugwashnot sure which others
02:50.48citralAdrianLP: canada is not THAT different from US or Europe
02:51.04dondelelcaroplugwash: gcc depends upon a cc. In debian, that dependency happens to be fullfilled by gcc.
02:51.10AdrianLPBut to worry about patents, is then to worry about whose patents we observe, and what right they have to claim that patent, etc etc.
02:52.05dondelelcaroplugwash: you'll note though, that gcc doesn't have an explicit build-depends upon itself, since a cc is in build-essential.
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02:52.05zignigAdrianLP: like parts or you DNA sequence ?
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02:52.13AdrianLPzignig: Ya, I recall hearing something about that, whether it was a joke or not I can't recall.
02:52.22Manoj_plugwash: and once you have build-essential packages installed, you are mostly OK
02:52.29plugwashdondelelcaro there are probablly other compilers that need themselves to build
02:52.36Manoj_plugwash: an initial porting to a new arch can be difficult, yes
02:52.44plugwashi just dunno them off the top of my head
02:52.48simonrvnAdrianLP: patents are human made. they didn't drop out of the sky "oh thank you $deity, for giving us patents"
02:52.53dondelelcaroplugwash: most real compilers are self compiling. However, they often have a stage where they can be compiled in an intermediate form by themselves.
02:53.00Manoj_plugwash: most such compilers are written in other languages
02:53.02AdrianLPsimonrvn: I'm aware.
02:53.05dondelelcaros/by themselves/by something else/
02:53.10citricodercan i post two lines of error returned by ./make while compiling kismet?
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02:53.33skyisblueyes.
02:53.33dondelelcarocitricoder: you probably won't paste the actual error, so don't bother. Use the paster bot to paste the relevant lines.
02:53.34citraldondelelcaro: I thought they need a "starter"
02:53.34mostycitrcoder: why not summarise them instead?
02:53.51Manoj_now, "real" compilers may be written in the language they compile -- but a fortran compiler is far harder to write in fortran
02:54.07citricoderWell: undefined reference to `pcap_parse'
02:54.13dondelelcaroManoj_: true, true...
02:54.19AdrianLPWhat would happen if the kernel itself was Patented?  Or the latest revisions were patented?
02:54.27GuerinAdrianLP: it can't be.
02:54.28citricoderIn function `pcap_compile'
02:54.38Manoj_AdrianLP: I am sure the kernel violates some patents out there
02:54.39mostyadiranlp: patents apply to ideas, not implementations.
02:54.40GuerinAdrianLP: read about patents, ffs.
02:54.43citralAdrianLP: fortunately it's not, so just take it like it comes :P
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02:54.52simonrvnAdrianLP: well it seemed to me that patents, shouldn't be challenged "just because they are law". they are laws that are unethical or unjust, therefore, those have to be challenged. see apartheid in south africa in th past, or the indian act in canada
02:54.54GuerinAdrianLP: get a clue, please.
02:55.02plugwashAdrianLP no one patent is going to cover everything done in the kernel
02:55.05skyisbluecitricoder: what are you trying to do?
02:55.10citricoderwhile compiling kismet
02:55.12AdrianLPGuerin: Well, if its only on the idea, and not the softare, what's this whole issue about patented software.
02:55.13simonrvnAdrianLP: at least that's what i thought it seemed, you were saying
02:55.20dondelelcaro!tell citricoder about paster
02:55.30plugwashif someone moans about a patented process used in the kernel then a desicion must be made on whether to take them seriously
02:55.40AdrianLPsimonrvn: Yes, I really thought a God came to Earth, and designated patents.  Geez.
02:55.43skyisbluecitricoder: do you gonna to use kismet?
02:55.43plugwashand if so how to avoid the patent
02:55.44Eagle101help. can i install the latest kernel by using apt-get install kernel or i have to manually download it and install it?
02:55.51dondelelcarocitricoder: one also wonders why you're even compiling kismet, when you can just apt-get install kismet;
02:55.54mostyadrianlp: if said software is an implementation of a patented idea...
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02:56.06citricoderi use kismet
02:56.07GuerinAdrianLP: you can't just start in on this topic with no knwledge or understanding of it and expect to come up with the Right Answers. You actually do need to know >0 about it.
02:56.07Manoj_Eagle101: I think we have uplaoided 2.6.10 -- but I am not sure
02:56.08citralEagle101: apt-get install kernel-image-blah
02:56.09DebUser_Has anyone tried apt-build yet?
02:56.13Manoj_Eagle101: what architecture?
02:56.15dondelelcaroDebUser_: someone probably has...
02:56.20dondelelcaroDebUser_: like it's author.
02:56.20AdrianLPGuerin: i didn't, I was asked what I thought.  Please check your buffer.
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02:56.28Manoj_Eagle101: i386 definitely has 2.6.9 in the archive
02:56.30DebUser_dondelelcaro, :P
02:56.32mostydebuser: i tried it a few years ago, it was not very useful
02:56.34AdrianLPGuerin: Franklin, I don't give a damn, and I said so in the very beginning when I was asked.
02:56.39citricoderbecause i'm having trobs with source.
02:56.40AdrianLPGuerin: Again, check your buffer.
02:56.44dondelelcaromosty: yeah, it's been completely rewritten, though.
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02:56.51ryan`anyone know of a debian netinstall image that can support an intel PIIX SATA controler?
02:56.57AdrianLPs/lin/ly/
02:57.06GuerinAdrianLP: I suggest you go and read some EFF
02:57.09mostydondelelcaro, oh i'm sure it's less buggy now. i still don't see much use for it though
02:57.14AdrianLPGuerin: For what purpose?
02:57.26citralI'm faulty, he came with this US story, and I asked him if he gives a fuck about Europe software patents
02:57.26mostyryan, the sarge installer should be capable
02:57.34skyisbluecitricoder: what problem?
02:57.37FrdFlintwhen i log in as root using su it automatiacally goes in to gnome, i want it to go to kde how do i change it?
02:57.37dondelelcaromosty: oh, that may be. I don't see much point for compiling everything myself, either.
02:57.39GuerinAdrianLP: because at your current level of misunderstanding, talking to you on this subject is next to worthless.
02:57.51citricoderwhit source for scan, ipw2100
02:57.53simonrvns/next to//
02:58.08WiFiTuxcitricoder, what's up with ipw2100?
02:58.14Eagle101Manoj: i use i686, but i386 will work also right?
02:58.28citricoderwith, sorry.
02:58.45citralEagle101: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 if you're using sarge
02:59.01citricoderWiFiTux: I cant make my ipw21200 work on kismet
02:59.03Eagle101citral: 2.6.10 isnt available?
02:59.05citralEagle101: 386 will work, but not so fast
02:59.07Manoj_Eagle101: yes, it would, though perhaps not as fast
02:59.13citricoderYes on wavemon, kwifimanager...
02:59.14AdrianLPGuerin: The bottom line is this, either get your panties in a bunch about something that likely won't even remotely affect Linux, or get all excited about it, and end up losing all software the general community (users, not servers/corporations) wants in fear of some legal action or another.
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02:59.34Manoj_Eagle101: I am not sure about 2.6.10, since I happen to use kernel-package and roll my own
02:59.36citralcould be that 2.6.10 is available, didn't check for one month now
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02:59.39AdrianLPGuerin: The latter will likely happen, if the community tries to stop it or not.
02:59.41WiFiTuxcitral, what driver version? kismet -c orinoco,eth1,ipw2100
02:59.45simonrvnAdrianLP: oh so home servers are in league with corps. ? since when?
02:59.53simonrvn@lart AdrianLP
02:59.54citralWiFiTux: muh?
02:59.57GuerinAdrianLP: how do you know it won't even remotely affect linux?
03:00.03AdrianLPsimonrvn: what?  I didn't even remotely say that.
03:00.15WiFiTuxcitricoder, , what driver version? kismet -c orinoco,eth1,ipw2100
03:00.15citricoderWiFiTux: citricoder != citral
03:00.15simonrvn"(users, not servers/corporations) "
03:00.15WiFiTuxcitricoder, the other guy :/
03:00.15GuerinAdrianLP: since you demonstrably know nothing about the subkject...
03:00.17skyisblueXD
03:00.19AdrianLPGuerin: I don't, but why fear every little thing in life.
03:00.26citricoderWiFiTux: wait a sec.
03:00.27simonrvnyou did.
03:00.31Eagle101citral: why when i do apt-cache search kernel i get too many results, then when i go up to see them, i only can see the half
03:00.36simonrvnfuck it
03:00.37citralWiFiTux: i can't blame you :)
03:00.41AdrianLPGuerin: THe subject doesn't interest me, at all.  I said said when I was first asked about it.  Again, check your buffer.
03:00.43dondelelcaroEagle101: use apt-cache search kernel|less
03:00.48simonrvn/ig -replies AdrianLP
03:00.53Manoj_Eagle101: try looking for kernel-image-
03:00.57GuerinAdrianLP: ok, so you advocate the 'woah, dud, let it all hang out' position.
03:01.04FrdFlintwould someone here be oh so kind as to tell me how to make this computer log in under kde using a text type of log in
03:01.05WiFiTuxcitral, blame that guy for using your nick citr*
03:01.06citricoderWiFiTux: source=ipw2100,eth0,kismet
03:01.07AdrianLPGuerin: Don't be stupid.
03:01.12dondelelcaroAdrianLP, Guerin: I've neither of you are interested in this subject, kindly cease and desist.
03:01.13GuerinAdrianLP: I'm not. You are.
03:01.16dondelelcaros/I've/If/
03:01.19dogmeati cannot reset the keyboard after it was unplugged any ideas?
03:01.21AdrianLPGuerin: I don't worry about things that do not affect me.
03:01.23citral@lart citricoder for using my prefix
03:01.25mostyfrdflint: eh?
03:01.28GuerinI am interested in it, that's the thing.
03:01.46WiFiTuxcitricoder, I said no! kismet -c orinoco,eth0,ipw2100
03:01.52citricoderhehe
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03:02.02FrdFlintwhen i log in using text by typing startx it goes to gnome i wamt it to go to kde
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03:02.13simonrvn!xsession
03:02.13dpkgwell, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX
03:02.15GuerinFrdFlint: edit your .xinitrc
03:02.17mostyfrdflint: edit your ~/.xinitrc
03:02.21Guerinor xsession
03:02.24citricoderWiFiTux: O.K!
03:02.32citricoderWiFiTux: thanks..
03:02.34WiFiTuxcitricoder, worked?
03:02.37FrdFlintok thanks a bunch :)
03:02.44citralmosty: learn how to use frd<TAB>
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03:03.01ryan`mosty: can I install woody with the sarge installer?
03:03.10citral!nick completion
03:03.10dpkgHitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles.
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03:03.13AdrianLPGuerin: Besides, who makes the decision to support patented software or not?
03:03.17dadexterryan`, why???
03:03.25citralAdrianLP: the pope
03:03.26sessI just installed debian r3
03:03.31AdrianLPcitral: I meant seriously.
03:03.32sesshow can I find out what version of glibc I have?
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03:03.40ryan`I have an hdd controler that is only supported in 2.4.28 or 2.6.10
03:03.41sessIm trying to upgrade XFree86 via binaires
03:03.41dondelelcaroAdrianLP: you want to rephrase that. it's "software that contains patented methods" not "patented software"
03:03.42skyisbluethanks citral!
03:03.43mostycitral: i already now how to use tab completion. it's implemented badly in my client though, i prefer not to use it
03:03.43sessfrom the ftp site
03:03.52dadextersess, dpkg -l | grep glibc
03:03.52GuerinAdrianLP: this conversation is pointless.
03:03.53ryan`Intel PIIX SATA
03:03.54AdrianLPdondelelcaro: He got the point regardless.
03:04.04citralmosty: then use a proper client, e.g. irssi-text
03:04.05Guerin!rmssmite AdrianLP
03:04.21AdrianLPGuerin: No, serious, who makes the decisions?  I'm wondering why guys like you or I should care?  Can we really affect the outcome either way?
03:04.25mostycitral: why do you care what client i use? mind your own business
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03:04.39WiFiTux!rm -rf citricoder
03:04.40dpkg-rf citricoder is an unperson
03:04.52citricodermamamia!
03:04.53Manoj_AdrianLP: people affected by thelegal liability are more likely to be concerned
03:04.56citralmosty: was just an advice, for your personal comfort :)
03:05.10Rebeccausing the netinstaller, im installing a web server + file server system.. does anyone know roughly how much space it will take up?
03:05.11WiFiTuxdpkg, you are dumb
03:05.11dpkgI think you lost me on that one, WiFiTux
03:05.21FrdFlint. /etc/X11/Xsession     is all it says
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03:05.23citricoderWiFiTux: kismet says: Could not find 'monitor' private ioctl
03:05.25ryan`i usualy use a netinstall image with the 2.4.18bf kernel, but it's kinda hard when it doesn't find my hdds
03:05.25Manoj_people who may lose their house and car to pay off patent fines and expense want to be extra cautious
03:05.28FrdFlinthmmmmmmm
03:05.32AdrianLPManoj_: I don't think I can be held under liability for using said software.  Even if I could, from a legal standpoint, nobody would touch or care about the home user.
03:05.40mostycitral: thanks, but i'm quite comfortable already
03:05.47Manoj_AdrianLP: but the developers may be
03:05.57skyisblueFrdFlint: if you don't use gnome just purge it.
03:06.08GuerinAdrianLP: and what happens if your OS is made illegal?
03:06.14Eagle101Manoj_: looks like kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 is the latest
03:06.15Manoj_AdrianLP: and SPI could be, especially the develoeprs who are on the board of directors of SPI
03:06.26AdrianLPManoj_: Yes, perhaps, I'm not one of those though.  But if an "idea" is the beginning of this whole patents, what happens if they go out and patent all sorts of innovations that become vital?
03:06.27FrdFlintok will it go to kde, by itself then?
03:06.30ryan`anyway. so can I install woody from the arge installer?
03:06.35Manoj_Eagle101: in sarge, yes. look into Sid for newer ones
03:06.37AdrianLPGuerin: Then I use another.
03:06.40WiFiTuxcitricoder, hhmm you have the rfmon firmware in the firmwares folder? and also what version is it? dmesg | grep ipw2100
03:06.52AdrianLPGuerin: Actually, if it was illegal, and I didn't agree with the law, I'd use it anyway.
03:06.52GuerinAdrianLP: and what if all free sotware is made illegal?
03:06.57Eagle101Manoj_: sid?
03:07.02mostyryan: i seem to remember being able to do that, but it's been a long time since i've looked for that option
03:07.04GuerinAdrianLP: if you could get it.
03:07.05AdrianLPGuerin: Then I would have to pay for software.
03:07.10sessI execute an apt-get update to update my package list
03:07.11Guerin...
03:07.17Guerin!tell AdrianLP about free software
03:07.18Manoj_AdrianLP: but this is a channel about Debian. not about your personal concerns -- and if debian is conerned as a whole, people may tend to lose all kinds of software packages ;-)
03:07.20orchidRebecca: not much if you have no x or wm's
03:07.20Guerin!moron AdrianLP
03:07.21dpkgAdrianLP: You are moron #98
03:07.26sessyet, the newest version of X thats apt-gettable for me is 4.1, which doesn't support my video card
03:07.27ryan`sarge == testing atm, right?
03:07.32Guerinryan`: yeah
03:07.34AdrianLPGuerin: True, but really, if it did become illegal, I could not do anything about it, not could I even circumvent it.
03:07.38sessis there something Im doing wrong to upgrade the package list?
03:07.38Manoj_Eagle101: umm, never mind, You probably do not want to run unstable
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03:08.05ryan`If the US outlawed free software, I'd leave.
03:08.20Manoj_AdrianLP: what if debian developers get worried enough to dump packages that seem the least bit iffy?
03:08.21AdrianLPGuerin: What would you do if free software became illegal?
03:08.26citricoderWiFiTux: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Driver, 0.52
03:08.31Eagle101Manoj_: yea i dont like to run unstable, but is it possible that i can find a newer kernel image if i add few more sources on the apt?
03:08.36Rebeccaorchid: ok
03:08.39Manoj_AdrianLP: fight that process
03:08.42ryan`or possibly start assasinating the bastards who signed the law.
03:08.52GuerinAdrianLP: I'd try to stop it getting to that point.
03:09.02Manoj_Eagle101: it is in unstable; but I do not know where else you can get a trusted image
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03:09.16AdrianLPGuerin: If it got to that point, would you use it anyway?  Or would you unintstall and go to Unix or windows or something?
03:09.17Guerinwhich is why Having a Clue is good for people who actually do love free software
03:09.17AtropineI live in france now and will go to the usa soon. I have all my config using nonus.... so i theoricaly have to set as on us servers, about cryptography and all. Any idea how i should do to "switch" everything to us compatible ?
03:09.19Manoj_Eagle101: you may, of course, compile your own, but that needs some learning
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03:09.24GuerinAdrianLP: that would depend.
03:09.30AdrianLPGuerin: On?
03:09.36ryan`and i'm already usising softare that is illegal in the US. (libdvdcss)
03:09.39sessalso, my system installed kernel 2.2.20, can I dl 2.6.10 and do a regular system compile and install?
03:09.40WiFiTuxcitral, hhmm it does support rfmon afaik. Odd. You are on Sid, sarge or woody? also try this iwconfig eth1 mode monitor then do dmesg and make sure it found the firmware.
03:09.46WiFiTuxdammed!
03:09.47Eagle101Manoj_: yup, some learning that i dont know where to begin learning lol
03:09.48GuerinAdrianLP: I can't predict how/where/when/why it would happen, or what alternatives there would be.
03:09.50Manoj_Atropine: the non-us servers are mostly obsolete now, I think
03:09.52mostyatropine: you can use the non-us mirrors anywhere. even in the us.
03:09.56WiFiTuxcitricoder, read what i told citral
03:10.00citralcitricoder: please change of nick
03:10.02AdrianLPGuerin: Lets say a week from now it was made illegal.
03:10.05Manoj_Eagle101: there is a faq about kernel compiling
03:10.08Atropinemosty: you can ?
03:10.09citricoderok
03:10.10Guerinworthless analogy
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03:10.20Manoj_Eagle101: ask people in this channel nicely for the kernel faq ;-)
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03:10.23Atropinehumm, didn't know
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03:10.32Atropinethought laws there were against it
03:10.33piveok?
03:10.33ryan`IIRC, the non-us servers have mostly stuff that can't be hosted/used in the US, but that doesn
03:10.34dogmeati should get up now, i feel my guts have settled
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03:10.36WiFiTuxpive,  and then do iwconfig and should say Mode: monitor
03:10.38GuerinAdrianLP: the journey is at least as important as the destination.
03:10.39citralcitral is Teh 0rigin4l rox0r !!!/??/?/!
03:10.40ryan`'s stop many people.
03:10.45Atropineryan`: i agree about killing people that makes laws
03:10.46Eagle101Manoj_: ok let me try, lol
03:10.47mostyatropine: yes. the point was that anything you're not allowed to export from the us is hosted on a site outside the us. hence non-us.
03:10.49WiFiTuxcitral, you grumpy! :/
03:10.56vernyanyone know of any good p2p apps
03:10.58skyisblueEagle101: debian section in http://linuxquestions.org
03:11.03Guerinverny: ftp
03:11.05AdrianLPGuerin: But you are willing to use it under certain circumstances, even if its illegal?  Simply because, maybe, you don't agree with said law?
03:11.07piveI'm sid
03:11.10citralverny: not so loud! bittornado
03:11.11Eagle101skyisblue: thanks alot ;)
03:11.18GuerinAdrianLP: oh, I do all manner of things that are illegal.
03:11.20skyisblueyaw
03:11.21Manoj_skyisblue: is there not a debian faq out there somewhere?
03:11.22vernyoooo
03:11.24vernyhaha
03:11.26vernythx
03:11.27ryan`Atropine, I very much hope things don't get any worse.
03:11.30Azathotok horrible noobie question.. i'm trying to format a floppy disk using fdfloppy.. it keeps telling me the device or resource is busy.. i figure cause it's mounted.. so i try umount /dev/fd0.. same thing.. resource busy.. i try to force it umount -f /dev/fd0 still says it's busy.. how do i make it not busy?
03:11.33vernyi need it for uhh documents
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03:11.44Azathotcorrection.. i meant fdformat
03:11.45Azathotlol
03:11.56Atropineryan`: you have software patents, nothing can be wors
03:11.59Atropineworse *
03:12.00Atropine*
03:12.00skyisblueManoj_: dunno, any distros looks like linux ;)
03:12.05AdrianLPGuerin: It being made illegal doesn't seem like a huge threat then.  It would be more inconvenient to distribute, but it would certainly be possible.
03:12.11Manoj_Azathot: make sure nothing is visiting the dir where you mounted /dev/fd0
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03:12.20GuerinAdrianLP: no, it IS a BIG deal.
03:12.25debd00ddoes anyone know any how-tos on getting ndiswrapper working?
03:12.33WiFiTuxpive, how did that go?
03:12.37AzathotManoj_: i was sitting in /floppy.. i'm an idiot! lmao
03:12.38pivewiFiTux: iwconfig says: Mode:Managed
03:12.38Azathotthanks
03:12.42Manoj_skyisblue: well, the bit about kernel-package, make-kpkg etc for building kernels is very debian specific
03:13.03ryan`Atropine, While software patents suck, legaly mandated DRM would be worse (oh, wait. broadcast flag. fuck.)
03:13.05WiFiTuxpive, iwconfig eth0 mode monitor then check dmesg
03:13.11Atropinei heard IBM released 500 software patents to opensource 2 days ago... anyone has a link about this ?
03:13.18GuerinAdrianLP: you may or may not have noticed that industry provides a lot of code, a lot of money, a shitload of resources, and salaries for hordes of staff for many free software projects. If it became illegal, those organisations would effectively have to stop doing so.
03:13.34skyisblueManoj_: make menuconfig;make;make install;make modules_install simple as it is
03:13.36AdrianLPGuerin: I don't know.  I like Debian, I use it, I use some open source software.  But if the world changes, I just change with it (unless of course it goes against my religion or morals).  I really don't think we, the entire linux community (about 0.5%, if that, of all computer users), have much of a say in the matter.
03:13.43bob2Atropine: slashdot.org
03:13.55Atropineryan`: hehe, i agree, all those "protections" will kill music industry more than mp3 even did (i think it promoted more than anything anyways)
03:14.00piveok, now Monitor mode
03:14.00GuerinAdrianLP: sure we don't.
03:14.10ryan`Atropine, DRM is stupid.
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03:14.15Atropinebob2: yup, oki, i'll get to the good old /.
03:14.15GuerinAdrianLP: just like nobody has any control over anything.
03:14.24ryan`one pirate breaks it, and all the users can use it,
03:14.29GuerinAdrianLP: you don't bother voting, do you?
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03:14.35AdrianLPGuerin: Majorities rule.  They have a lot of voice and power.
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03:14.39Atropineryan`: yes, i find it funny and pathetic
03:14.44ryan`you'd have to prevent playing unwatermaked content.
03:14.45Manoj_skyisblue: but that misses all the advantages of using kernel-package; the ability to create a .deb on one machine to use elsewhere, the ability to apply patches put together by debian, the ability to build third party modules already packaged
03:14.45piveWiFiTux: But kismet doesn't start
03:14.47AdrianLPGuerin: I don't believe in choosing the lesser of two evils, no.
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03:14.51Guerinhahaha
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03:15.00ryan`and to do that.
03:15.02Guerinso you choose the lesser of three evils.
03:15.04Guerinnice.
03:15.05WiFiTuxpive, I get it. we need to make sure monitor mode is working.
03:15.08Manoj_skyisblue:  it also prevents things like integration with all kinds of other software that is kernel-image aware
03:15.11ryan`you have to preven running unsigned software
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03:15.27piveIn fact, doesn,t work
03:15.28AdrianLPGuerin: If I don't vote for anyone, nobody can blame me that "my" guy is ruining said country.
03:15.31skyisblueManoj_: actually i haven't tried debian way. ever.
03:15.33ryan`signing software like that will require people to buy licenses to WRITE software
03:15.39Manoj_skyisblue: not to mention all the accumulated knowledge distilled into kernel-package over the years
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03:15.56Atropinemaking a dist-upgrade from woody to unstable... that's gonna be raw :)
03:15.56AdrianLPGuerin: "What, he ruined <blah>, well, you voted for him."  I can't support a platform or ideals I don't agree with.
03:15.57piveI try iwconfig eth1 mode monitor
03:16.01Manoj_skyisblue: then you don't know what you are missing. seriously.
03:16.14GuerinAdrianLP: I'm not going to continue this politroll.
03:16.17skyisblueManoj_: maybe. well.
03:16.25pivebut then iwconfig says: managed
03:16.31AdrianLPGuerin: Whatever dude, you're the one who brought it up.  You're free to stop talking at any time.
03:16.34citralGuerin: you will
03:16.48GuerinAdrianLP: you made my point.
03:16.49WiFiTuxpive, ok, means you don't have the right config here. type dmesg and see what might be the problem.
03:17.05AdrianLPGuerin: Because I don't vote?  Oh, yes, the antichrist is here, the second coming is near!
03:17.12Guerinthat wasn't my point...
03:17.16ahewittI have been out of the debian desktop scene for a while so can you guys give me some advise as to what is typically being used to play DivX's?? Is mplayer still the shiznit or have other ones come onto the scene which are better? I just tried totem as I am using gnome and that crashed every time I used it...
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03:17.30AdrianLPGuerin: Regarding patents?  We haven't even really spoke on that in 20 mins.
03:17.36citralis he a troll or finally a sofisticated tard?
03:17.38jimdI used to know an easy way, after doing a Debian minimal install, to install and configure X
03:17.41mostyahewitt, mplayer or xine
03:17.41Guerinahewitt: totem is a frontend to other players. Best to just use xine or mplayer.
03:17.48Manoj_ahewitt: mplayer is not a part of debian, though .debs are available unofficially
03:18.00AtropineHahaha, KDE 3.4 codename, very funny, Krokodile :)
03:18.03Manoj_ahewitt: xine is in debian, and works all right, I think
03:18.06Guerincitral: he's one who thinks he's the other.
03:18.09citral!spell sofisticated
03:18.09dpkgI can't find alternate spellings for 'sofisticated'
03:18.14citralshit
03:18.18Guerins/f/ph/
03:18.20Agatha_Christiesucks
03:18.23ahewittok cool..cheers guys...from what I remember mplayer is a peice of piss to compile as a deb anyways
03:18.29newtoitwhats a good color code highlighter similar to vi?
03:18.31citralAgatha_Christie: POIROT!
03:18.31skyisblue!marillat
03:18.31dpkgmarillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list
03:18.32thomas_adamAgatha_Christie: Dead Man's Folly to you.
03:18.34jimdLike apt-get -f install x-window-system (but such that it would launch a configurator that worked)
03:18.53Manoj_ahewitt: well, someone has done it; and it too works ok, despite it not being an official package
03:18.54piveSeems that enters on a loop: "ipw2100: eth1: Restarting adapter. eth1: Using hotplug firmware load."
03:18.54citralAgatha_Christie: very, very, very nice nick
03:18.55AdrianLPcitral: I'm a human being, I'm a priest, I spend tons of money to humanitarian aid.  I'm just some guy.  No lesser or greater than yourself, Guerin, or anyone else here.  No matter what they may think, and despite any insults they would like to make to the contrary.
03:19.01azeemjimd: xdebconfigurator
03:19.06Gumby`has anyone in here setup PyKDE?  I'm getting errors when installing the tar. gz "sip: KPty is undefined"
03:19.09azeem(IIRC)
03:19.11Guerin...
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03:19.33jimdI don't remember that, but I'll try it.
03:19.33citralAdrianLP: I never doubted that, I just think this is the wrong channel.
03:19.56piveWiFiTux: Thanks... but i'm going to sleep...
03:20.11AdrianLPcitral: I didn't bring this up.  Nor did I show any desire to continue.  I'm being polite, and responding when its necessary (when I'm addressed).
03:20.21Guerinhaha
03:20.26citricoderOk, goodbye
03:20.53AdrianLPcitricoder: Me?  I don't often leave this channel, even when not talking.  Like most people here.
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03:21.13hippHalt command not found
03:21.14hipp.....
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03:21.19Azathotthe people in #freebsd are dicks! lol
03:21.23Guerinhipp: man shutdown
03:21.33Azathotjust thought i'd share that :)
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03:21.51plugwashhip i think its a lower case h
03:21.58skyisbluehipp: halt as root.
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03:22.12citralcase sensitive
03:22.23hippi forgot root password
03:22.27Azathotdoh
03:22.31skyisblueXD
03:22.32hipplol
03:22.35citral!i forgot root's password
03:22.35dpkg1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same.
03:22.35thomas_adamskyisblue: No, see /etc/shutdown.allow
03:22.38Guerinhipp: /msg dpkg ifrp
03:22.40paster"citricoder" at 80.58.37.236 pasted "dmesg | grep ipw2100" (24 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/188
03:22.44Guerineh
03:22.49skyisblueah
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03:23.14citraloh
03:23.15citricoderwow! can you see my IP?
03:23.21hippwhats password root
03:23.33citral/dns citricoder
03:23.39citralof course
03:23.44cafuegohipp: Are you expecting us to GUESS?
03:23.47thomas_adamhipp: You don't know?
03:23.52Guerinhipp: pwn3d
03:23.57M_Mhipp whatever you set it to on install
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03:24.34plugwashif you have got an older kernel you could try getting root with an exploit
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03:24.49AdrianLPI noticed that Sun's JDK binaries are not added to PATH.  Is this typical of third party apps?
03:24.55citralcitricoder: we could even find you're spanish, if we liked to
03:24.55hippoh the pw was root
03:24.56citricoderwell there's my trouble
03:25.04cafuegoif you can get root with an exploit, you should wipe and reinstall (and set a new root pw)
03:25.41plugwashcafuego so we should wipe and reinstall every time a kernel exploit is found?
03:25.51plugwashthat just seems to be going a bit too far
03:25.54tak_is tehre a way to do a scp file copy and ignore errors? (im trying to recover from a dead hard drive)
03:26.00skyisblueit faster and safer.
03:26.03cafuegoplugwash: No! You should!
03:26.04starshineheh
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03:26.13starshinebackups are good ideas too
03:26.16M_MOn a related question, are there any fairly easy-to-read docuemnts on what to do to make a debian installation fairly safe to use on a cable modem, securitywise?
03:26.19citralplugwash: if you're behind a serious router, where is the point?
03:26.23estupendocitral y tu tambien?
03:26.27lawnchairiiiiiiim SPICY
03:26.33citralestupendo: non, je suis francais.
03:26.34GuerinM_M: apt-get install harden-doc
03:26.45cafuegocitral: Was, du bist deutsch?
03:26.49estupendosa ce possible!?
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03:27.00M_MGuerin Thanks.
03:27.02citralcafuego: nö, aber ich kann es auch sprechen.
03:27.16cafuegos/d/dt/
03:27.20bhearsumi was playing with grub trying to get it to dualboot windows, and i used a bunch of hide (hd0,x) commands on my partitions, and now all my extended partitions have disappeared. as well, my /boot and / partitions are reading as type 'amoeba'
03:27.21citralcafuego: lebe in deutschland, bin aber fransoze.
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03:27.29plugwashm_m the main thing for a box directly on the internet is closing listning ports unless you want them open for a good reason
03:27.41cafuegocitral: Ach so, du wohnst im Alsace.
03:27.45Manoj_M_M: do install shorewall. comes with example configs and all
03:27.46plugwasheither by using a firewall or by reconfiguring the services
03:27.48Guerinhaha
03:28.01cafuegoDie meschen da sind alle deutsche franzosen.
03:28.03citralcafuego: quatscht. Nieder Sachsen.
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03:28.11cafuegoAh! Bayern!!!
03:28.17citralpffffff
03:28.17estupendoI'm in the mood for IPv6
03:28.23skyisblueM_M: try astaro, http://www.astaro.com
03:28.27citralHann-Muenden
03:28.31M_Mplugwash so using shorewall should probably close up any listening ports?
03:28.40cafuego/topic CITRAL IST BAYERISCH!
03:28.48lawnchairestupendo, im in the mood for YOU
03:28.53M_MManoj_ thanks
03:28.59M_Mskyisblue thanks
03:29.09skyisblueyaw
03:29.11estupendolawnchair: Aawwffshshshhshhss hehhee
03:29.20lawnchair<3
03:29.23Guerinskyisblue: why are you advising people to use non-debian software to do nothing debian software can't do easier?
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03:29.40skyisblueGuerin: sorry.
03:29.43citralcafuego: your geography sucks.
03:29.43CaDsup all
03:29.50cafuegocitral: sky, ceiling
03:30.00cafuegos/citral/CaD/
03:30.03Guerinskyisblue: you didn't answer the question; I wasn't digging for an apology.
03:30.14estupendoWiFiTux?
03:30.19cafuegocitral: Well, it's been a while since I landed in Frankfurt eh?
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03:30.39estupendoWiFiTux: http://channels.debian.net/paste/188
03:30.52citralcafuego: http://www.maporama.com/affiliates/popup/share/Map.asp?SESSIONID={FEF0E95E-6E69-4FB4-8170-214E72D38434}&ZoomSet=12
03:30.53skyisblueGuerin: well, coz it's better. i like score.
03:30.59mbucc_hi folks
03:31.24Manoj_skyisblue: what does score do?
03:31.31estupendowho is using xchat?
03:31.34cafuego!tell skyisblue -about better
03:31.34Guerinskyisblue: better than what?
03:31.35mbucc_i need some  help with mkinitrd
03:31.45Guerinestupendo: lots of people in #xchat
03:31.49skyisblueManoj_: rating, popularity
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03:31.58citralcafuego: I let you zoom to see... in der nähe von Kassel.
03:32.09mbucc_it stupidly keeps telling me  i need raidtools2 even though i have mdadm installed
03:32.20mbucc_bug was opened, but now closed.
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03:32.34citralone day, one day, I will go back to France.
03:32.48mbucc_first time here ...
03:32.49jimdHi thomas_adam
03:32.55jimdFancy meeting you here.
03:33.01Atropinehttp://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5524680.html
03:33.05Guerinone day, soon, I will go back to my little island in the pacific :)
03:33.21xenwrylyI have a very interesting hoseiry situation here.  There was some corruption on the filesystem.  I think it may have happened while dpkg and/or dselect was being upgraded.  /var/lib/dpkg/available was gone as was dselect itself.  I restored it by using dselect from a chroot I happened to have sitting around.  Now apt-get upgrade won't install dpkg because it says something about a blank line in the dpkg-dev files file.  Any sugg
03:33.21xenwrylyestions about how to go forward.
03:33.40starshinehi jimd *hug*
03:33.47cafuegocitral: http://www.maporama.com/affiliates/popup/share/Map.asp?MapID=516AA97E%2D8ABB%2D4AEC%2DB640%2D141844779372&PDT=mapomap
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03:34.22mbucc_fuck, my other option is to compile raid into the kernel
03:34.27elnovatowho needs support
03:34.46plugwashxenwryly can you copy the file it is complaining about from a chroot?
03:34.46jimdxenwryly: try dpkg --force-all --install dpkg*.deb?
03:35.00xenwrylyjimd: thanks, I'll try that
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03:35.11Lord-Cereburusguys, i would like to learn a bit about pooling two ADSL connections together on a debian system, can anyone point me to a descent tutorial?
03:35.24jimdxenwryly: or, worse case, cd / && ar p dpkg*.deb data.tar.gz | tar xzf -
03:35.24dondelelcaroLord-Cereburus: you want the lartc
03:35.26dondelelcaro!lartc
03:35.26dpkgit has been said that lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/
03:35.29mbucc_or patch mkdinitrd so it works with mdadm as it should
03:35.35Lord-Cereburusthanks dondelelcaro
03:35.46elnovato2 adsl?? thats crazy, what for?
03:35.46dondelelcaroLord-Cereburus: there's a recipe in their for almost exactly what you're asking
03:35.55Lord-Cereburusnice
03:36.06estupendoQRT
03:36.10jimdar to slam a .deb into place! ;)
03:36.11citralcafuego: nah :) the same, but street "am entenbusch"
03:36.16xenwrylyjimd: that's didn't work, same error
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03:36.19jimdThat's playing hARdball.
03:36.25plugwashremember without the isps support any one tcp session can only use one connection to retirive stuff to your pc
03:36.27cafuegocitral: Nonono, 'keminksweide'
03:36.28Lord-Cereburuswhat i'm thinking of doing, instead of spending 300$+ on a faster connect, i think it would be cheaper(not easier hehe) to pool a few connections together
03:36.32dondelelcaroyeesh, don't every use --force-all
03:36.33cafuegocitral: Right under that '2'.
03:36.37dondelelcaros/every/ever/
03:37.02plugwashLord-Cereburus so if you wan't it to work for http downloads you will need a download manager that uses multiple connections.
03:37.04dondelelcaroxenwryly: paste the exact error you're getting into #flood
03:37.10cafuegocitral: Though the little street next to the '1' is just a small car park (that I used to play soccer in)
03:37.34citralcafuego: oh really? cool
03:38.04Lord-Cereburus«plugwash» its for upload mostly, basicly i want to route traffic from one server, off to two connections to try to double the upload speed
03:38.07citralcafuego: mein heimadt: http://www.maporama.com/affiliates/popup/share/Map.asp?SESSIONID={FEF0E95E-6E69-4FB4-8170-214E72D38434}&ZoomSet=11
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03:38.15citralenough, now.
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03:39.00cafuegocitral: Aaah, Nantes. I been there, 5 or so years ago.
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03:39.22citralcafuego: you've been everywhere or what? :)
03:39.41jimdxenwryly: what is the exact error message?
03:39.48citralcafuego: what is a dutch doing in australie?
03:39.55sessIm upgrading from 2.2.20 to 2.6.10, after I do a make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install, what do I need to do?  I think I recall something about <2.6.0 systems requiring system.maps
03:40.02sessand initrds
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03:40.27skyisbluesess: kernel 2.6.10 available.
03:40.29AdrianLPWell, I still get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib".  I checked locale -a to see what was supported, and set my locales accordingly.  Also tried with LC_ALL=C and LANG=C.  Same warning though.  Anyone else seen this?
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03:40.45cafuegocitral: Not everywhere (yet)
03:40.47plugwashsess don't use make oldconfig for an update like that
03:40.47samuelsup all
03:40.48sessskyisblue: yes, Im installing 2.6.10 now
03:40.49citralcafuego: lemme guess... you met a girl.
03:41.00sessI used make menuconfig and completely reconfigured the kernel
03:41.08sessthen I make bzImage; make modules; make modules install
03:41.20sessIm wondering what I have to do next before I copy bzImage to /boot and configure lilo
03:41.22samueli found some debs out there, for linspire and xandros, is it ok to use these on debian? should be the same no?
03:41.29cafuegocitral: Oh, in straya? yes!
03:41.46plugwashsess did you configure for an initrd?
03:41.55sessalso, apparently lilo 22.2 is the newest version I can download via apt-get
03:42.02sessplugwash: I've done nothing involving initrd
03:42.06AdrianLPDid he make dep?  Assume so, he didn't mention it though.
03:42.06cafuegocitral: Didn't meet here here though, met her in Holland.
03:42.20plugwashremember to keep your old kernel around when you reconfigure lilo
03:42.23sessI recall something like mkinitrd or something
03:42.25plugwashthen go for it ;)
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03:42.53sessand It doesn't want to boot from hdd1 :(
03:42.55plugwashif you haven't configured the kernel for an initrd (ie you have the drivers you need to boot the hdd directly) then you have no need for an initrd
03:42.57jimdAnyone install the Progeny 2 RC1?
03:42.59citralcafuego: met my german one in spain....
03:43.14citralthe world is wide.
03:43.14plugwashthe main job of an initrd is to load filesystem drivers from modules
03:43.23skyisbluesess: then /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /boot/kernel-2.6.10 2.6.10
03:43.25plugwashif you compile those in there is no need for an initrd
03:43.29sessplugwash: my system is ext2
03:43.30sess:(
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03:43.42jimdMy crashes with an Anaconda/Python crash looking for some sort of "adbox"
03:43.56xenwrylyaccount off
03:44.02xenwrylyoops :)
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03:44.57skyisbluesess: not exactly, for more see http://linuxquestions.org
03:45.12johnAnybody know any good doc's on how to configure the xf86 file to make the GUI's look.. not so big.
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03:45.29starshinethe main job of an initrd is to allow fresh installs to contain a kitchen sink worth of modules instead of be sure something's right for the (at that moment unknown) hardware in front of them.
03:45.43Guerinjohn: screenshot
03:45.49cafuegocitral: we _met_ online; back in '92 <heh>
03:45.49citraljohn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , choose 1280x1024 if your monitor supports it
03:45.51goldargHowdy Folks, I'm looking for some help with Debian on a Sun Netra X1, I finally f ound a installer that boots but the installer cant locate my CD.
03:46.03DebUser_Is there any free tool that can resize NTFS partitions?
03:46.04johnokay
03:46.09sessskyisblue: unfortunately I gotta upgrade because 2.2.20 doesn't have support for my usb mouse or nvidia graphics card, and I can't startx without it.
03:46.10citralcafuego: heh
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03:47.00goldargHow can I get my CD to mount? I dont have anything in /dev/ide or /dev/cdrom
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03:47.44skyisbluesess: /msg dpkg mepis
03:47.51mdpdo you know where your cdrom is
03:47.52elnovato!mount
03:47.52dpkgi heard mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem
03:47.54Chucklesanyone know of a good media player to get
03:48.09citralChuckles: for music or videos?
03:48.09GuerinChuckles: what media?
03:48.29johnGuerin, http://ninjalo.datadrain.org/gui.png
03:48.34goldargYes my cdrom is attached as the master drive on my secondary controller
03:48.34Chucklesguerin both if possible
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03:48.54GuerinChuckles: mplayer or xine; or one of the many horrible frontends
03:49.02citralChuckles: mplayer do both, but to play mp3 it's not THAT practic
03:49.10mdptry command mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom
03:49.25Chucklesok cool thnx
03:49.28goldargno /dev/hdc I'm afraid
03:49.28mdpassuming /media/cdrom is a valid directory
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03:49.43citralChuckles: xmms also plays mpeg
03:49.43Guerinjohn: yeah, did you get switch2 installed yet? Change your font down to something sane
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03:49.49starshineChuckles: mplayer, xine - xmms for streamed audio
03:49.58goldargthis is booting off a installer cd from today, I cant say which one off the top of my head since I'm at home and the machine is ~20 miles away :)
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03:50.00mdpcan you use dmsg to find you cdrom drive
03:50.01mbucc_eval "$(printf "$MKIMAGE" $workdir/initrd $FD/3)" 3>&1 >&2
03:50.04mbucc_translation?
03:50.10goldargClosest thing I have in dmesg is this:
03:50.15goldargALI15X3: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:0d.0
03:50.15goldargALI15X3: chipset revision 195
03:50.16goldargALI15X3: 100% native mode on irq 4,7cc
03:50.16goldarg<PROTECTED>
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03:50.17skyisbluesess: btw, more exactly, /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10
03:50.24Guerinjohn: switch2, or gnome-control-center
03:50.29johnGuerin, okay.
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03:50.43citral!topicbadger goldarg
03:50.44dpkg/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that goldarg didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic...
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03:51.05johnE: Couldn't find package switch2
03:51.21Guerinjohn: it's cvalled gtk-theme-switch
03:51.32goldargouch, cant tell if that paste worked
03:51.45Gueringoldarg: it did, which is why you got the boot
03:51.49goldargAhh :)
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03:51.51citralgoldarg: you're NOT supposed to paste here
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03:52.02goldargSorry.
03:52.05citralgoldarg: /topic
03:52.33mdpare you doing the cdrom stuff remotely
03:52.42brimstoneis it possible to make a computer running debian to act like an oversized thumbdrive?
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03:52.56goldargeverything's remotely right now, the box is at work and I'm here at home, The wonders of terminal servers :)
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03:53.04cafuegobrimstone: No, but you can do it with a computer running MacOS.
03:53.09Guerinheh
03:53.23brimstonecafuego: yes, with firewire, not USB2 tho...
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03:53.39goldargit looks like the chipset is detected in the dmesg
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03:54.08goldarglsmod shows a bunch of unused modules but alim15x3 ide-disk ide-cd isofs and cdrom dont show as unused
03:54.09samuelanyone here tried Xandros? do packages for xandros work on debian?
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03:54.34cafuegoThat's coz USB2 is  probably a raped version of USB1.1, which wasn't designed for storage devices to begin with)
03:54.40citralsamuel: why would one try that?
03:55.24Guerinsamuel: probably not.
03:55.31johnokay, i did that and switched the font.. should i restart x then?
03:55.31brimstonewell, can i make a computer running debian to function like an external drive to windows machine?
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03:55.36starshinewell, after alien, packages for debian work on suse... I dunno, try and see, but don't be too surprised if there's pain and suffering
03:55.39Guerinjohn: no.
03:55.49starshinebrimstone: samba
03:55.50samuelcitral, im asking... i wanna know if i can get some packages and they will work on debian... dunno... but internet is REALLY slow tonight for some reason... gotta love mexico!
03:55.51Guerinjohn: just keep changing it until it looks like how you want it to
03:56.05johnhmm
03:56.09johni changed it and nothing changed at all.
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03:56.21brimstonestarshine: i know that samba works, but i need faster speeds to my 10/100 winders friends
03:56.21Guerinjohn: change it again. You might have to change it in gnome
03:56.26citralsamuel: I really don't see the point, debian provides everything you need, or not?
03:56.35mdptry mount /dev/cdrom0 /media/cdrom0
03:56.53goldargI've seen a package for my PDA that makes its USB client interface become something similar to a drive instead of a network connection, but as a PC I'd think your ports are HOST and couldnt do that.
03:57.10citralsamuel: other said, what special package from xandros isn't in debian?
03:57.11samuelcitral, almost - but i guess its time to get the source code of realplayer
03:57.15brimstonewhich pda do you have goldarg ?
03:57.23samuelrealplayer
03:57.26citralsamuel: www.helix.org
03:57.29goldargbrimstone: Zaurus SL5500
03:57.41samuelcitral, yes, thx im there now
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03:57.53samuelplayer.helixcommunity.org too
03:57.55brimstonegoldarg: is that running openzaurus or just the sharp rom?
03:57.57starshinebrimstone: crossconnect's the fastest, but I recommend a USB2 external drive and the hell with the network
03:58.19goldargI've got a /dev/cdroms which is a empty directory, a /dev/ide thats a empty directory no /dev/cdrom or /dev/hd*
03:58.19starshinebrimstone: samba on a guest share isn't a noticeable slowdown
03:58.19citralsamuel: sorry, www.helixcommunity.org
03:58.30goldargOpenZaurus 3.5.2
03:58.47brimstonegoldarg: which package is that? i'd like it for my 5600
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03:59.02brimstonestarshine: yeah, i think that the gigabit card is going to be the way to go...
03:59.07mdptry mount /dev/cdrom0 /media/cdrom0
03:59.26starshinebrimstone: problem is linux supports more of those than windoze does.
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04:00.04goldargmdp: even without a /dev/cdrom0 device?
04:00.19mdpis there anything in /dev
04:00.22LunarKnightMy Linux supports the Linksys 80211b USB Wireless adapter much better than Windows does.  I actually switched my desktop to Debian because of that
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04:00.47goldargYes I've got a couple things in /dev but nothing ide related
04:00.52citralLunarKnight: hop you enjoy it
04:01.29goldargbrimstone: Try this thread on the ZUG: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8091
04:01.40brimstonethanks goldarg !
04:01.45brimstonei'll be leaving you guys now
04:01.45goldargMy SD card is ext2 so I cant really make use of the scripts myself
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04:02.15nonickhmm
04:02.29nonickcan someone tell me the name to apt-get for xorg?
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04:03.06goldargmy /dev is mounted via devfs which is something I have not used much of, is it possible to make a device by hand for my CD?
04:03.07mdpgoldarg: I have like 5500 items in the /dev.  I think something is missing but I do not know how to create a device node
04:03.08citralnonick: no. xorg sucks atm.
04:03.26nonickcitral: so you recommand me using xfree86?
04:03.34citralnonick: yes.
04:03.54goldargmdp: I'm betting your not sitting in the installer right now like I am :)
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04:04.20mdpis this the debian installer
04:04.48goldargIts a newer installer than one I've used in the past, the CD was built today according to SILO
04:04.53Caesargoldarg: you can create devices by hand with makedev, but they won't persist across a reboot
04:04.56citralnonick: you would only gain so called transparency, that needs a 4000+ and 2 GB of RAM to work, but good new, you win bugs too!
04:05.28goldargI think I'm stuck on a mounted ramdisk
04:05.32nonickcitral: lol ok then.. I only have a 1.4ghz and not even as much ran to do it
04:05.51nonickcitral: thanks I'm just installing xfree86 now
04:06.05citralnonick: to be serious, xorg is not ready.
04:06.10starshinegoldarg: there is a devfs config file which can have things added to it, but the language is tricky.
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04:07.12goldargI started today trying to use the netinst and businesscard sparc images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
04:07.14nonickok
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04:07.18citralit's 05:05
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04:07.24goldargbut after both failed to mount their ramdisks I switched to a daily build
04:07.35citralmy girlfriend is going to lart me soon.
04:07.56goldargI'm pretty sure http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/sparc/current/ is the CD i'm booted off of
04:08.22citralgoldarg: ask in #debian-sparc maybe
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04:08.46citralgoldarg: never use sid images.
04:08.55citral!sid faq goldarg
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04:09.09citral!tell goldarg about sid faq
04:09.28Nadirim having some problems 3.0_r4/i386 of debian got through all the installations etc... still new to linux btw.. and when i finally got done it took me to a thing that said login.. and screen kept flickering off and on talking about trying to configure x and that it kept failing and wont start.
04:09.30mdpwhy is dialog look mess up
04:09.52mdpin xterm it looks fine
04:09.59goldargWell guess I'll try to figure some other way to install tomorrow when I get to work then.
04:10.17goldargthanks for the attempts to help :)
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04:10.35citralgoldarg: install sarge, and then upgrade to sid if you REALLY need to, that I highly doubt.
04:10.47citralbah
04:10.50nvzcrap
04:10.53elnovatocitral:  you should go to sleep
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04:10.56Nadiru can help with my question citral
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04:10.59Nadirlol
04:11.04citralelnovato: you should stop drinking
04:11.18elnovatocommon, its late, let go to sleep
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04:11.49nvzelnovato: no body wants to go to bed with you, go away
04:12.15Nadircan someoen plz help with my above question :)
04:12.17nvzI can't for the life of me figure out how to delete something in this supertux level creator
04:12.17elnovatolol....  i meant not with me... separated... away
04:12.21Nadirive been at this for 3 days now
04:12.25Quadraphonicstarshine, I just took a look at the ultra 5 on Sun's website -- it looks like a nice old PowerComputing (high end Mac clone) box I used to work on in high school
04:12.35citralNadir: we can, but we need the EXACT error message
04:12.52starshineNadir: you have xdm or one of its kin installed but your X isn't set up correctly.
04:12.59mdpdoes anyone know how to use dialog or cdialog.  The program does not display correctly
04:13.15starshineQuadraphonic: it's a decent box.
04:13.25Guerinmdp: does not display correctly where?
04:13.29citralNadir: or if you can't give it, reinstall and DON'T install any extra package like KDE, X, or anything else, nothing, do it later.
04:13.30starshinemdp: check your termtype.
04:13.32Nadirwell from what i understand its pretty common lol installation goes fine.. until it gets to login screen.. ic an login through root or my username but i stay in prompt mode and it wont boot up the gui obviously because its saying gnome is running but it cant configure x or something and it wont load and when it retries it doesnt do anything
04:13.33elnovatoNadir: whats your problem?
04:13.42mdpon the console
04:13.46Quadraphonicstarshine, yep, it looks like it
04:13.49Nadirbut like i said.. im new to linux
04:14.09mdpit is using the wrong characters
04:14.16Guerinmdp: mine is a bit mangled, too, but usable.
04:14.23starshineNadir: login as root, apt-get remove xdm gdm kdm wdm
04:14.25AdrianLPWell, I still get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib".  I checked locale -a to see what was supported, and set my locales accordingly.  Also tried with LC_ALL=C and LANG=C.  Same warning though.  Anyone else seen this?
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04:14.48samuelgoddamit!!!
04:14.51citralNadir: ok ok, that's different from what you first said, let's be clear you can login or not?
04:14.56Nadiri have a local friend that is a god with linux never used anything but linux however he is to busy lol he told me ... squirecd is what he goes by.. not that any of u might know him
04:14.58Nadirya i can login
04:15.03Nadirbut when i do or even if i dont
04:15.06samuelanyone here have the source code to make a package of realplayer?
04:15.10apachedudehey, i'm dualbooting with windows xp and suse right now, but i'd like to triple boot with debian as well
04:15.11Guerinhahaha
04:15.11Nadirit keeps saying x fails
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04:15.18Nadirthen it tries to configure it
04:15.19Nadirand fails
04:15.21samuelcant get it from helixcommunity.org
04:15.24citralNadir: you get a graphical login or a console login?
04:15.26apachedudecan i PM someone and have someone walk me through potential pitfalls?
04:15.27elnovatolol
04:15.29Nadirconsole
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04:15.36Guerinsamuel: can't get the sourcecode to realplayer
04:15.44Guerinsamuel: because it's proprietary.
04:15.47citralNadir: apt-get remove *dm
04:15.48Nadironly graphical thing i see is the blue box that ask u what language when u stick ur cd in and the pretty penguin :)
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04:15.54Guerinapachedude: no, ask in channel.
04:16.08samuelGuerin, ooh - i thought they were supposed to release it for helix?
04:16.21Guerinsamuel: helixplayer!=realplayer
04:16.22mdpxterm will display dialog correctly, but why not the console
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04:16.32starshineNadir: 'x' is in /etc/inittab, it should also babble about disabling it for 5m.  do that remove line I told you and it should go away
04:16.42citral!highligt helix
04:16.52elnovatorofl
04:16.53Nadirso cd to that dir and run that command?
04:17.14citralNadir: login as root, and type "apt-get remove *dm"
04:17.21apachedudedoes the debian installer resize existing partitions safely?
04:17.23citrald'oh!
04:17.34Guerinapachedude: ask #debian-boot
04:17.40Guerinhelix: aww
04:17.41apachedudei'm planning to resize 17 gb hda10 (reiser fs, where my suse / is) to 7 and 10
04:17.42apachedudeokay
04:17.43Guerinthere there
04:17.47Guerinhaha
04:18.02Guerinapachedude: resizing ricerfs, you get to keep all the pieces
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04:18.44starshinecitral does remove really take wildcards?
04:18.48Nadirthanks citral ill give it a try :)
04:19.01citraltipically SuSE, without offense, reiserfs is the best, and framebuffer is so cool.
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04:19.20starshineNadir: if it doesn't take wildcard remove wdm kdm gdm xdm
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04:19.34johnGuerin, Thank you, that helped :)
04:19.34citralstarshine: it does
04:19.40Guerinjohn: nice :)
04:19.40starshinecool
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04:21.47nvzDoes anyone know how to remove something in the supertux level editor?
04:21.55Nadirstarshine what am i suppose to do after i do all this.. reboot it ?
04:22.11cheale1what do you think of this : I use my desktop since over a year, and in a matter of 3 days I get 2 sudden resets - as if I pressed the reset button. the stuff plugged to the same power bar. I checked the power cord, it's solidly plugged
04:22.27citralNadir: no, you can now login normally, it should be quiet.
04:22.33Nadirkool ty
04:22.41starshineNadir: it should stop bitching right away, if it doesn't, then run: telinit q
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04:22.59citralNadir: now login as normal user, type "startx" and look what it says
04:23.16elnovatohttp://funreports.com/2005/01/12/57814.html
04:23.18elnovatoyipiie!!
04:23.19starshineNadir: and your X is still messed up, find out your monitor specs and video card before trying to configure it
04:23.32Nadirwoot.. it worked
04:23.33Nadirthanks guys
04:23.55Nadirgod installing linux is harder then setting up a game server for never winter nights
04:23.58Nadirlol
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04:24.37Craigwd_2000I installed Sarge net install a while back, immediately I tried to use the Synaptic apt front end.  I went through and picked the packages I wanted but after I ran it the app appeared to freeze and just ran indefinitely.  Why did that happen?
04:25.04citralhelix: could you please consider +q elnovato?
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04:25.24helixelnovato: stop acting foolish
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04:25.27helixlast warning
04:25.28helixok?
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04:25.55Guerinelnovato: /nick drunk
04:26.03Guerinit'll save people the trouble of guessing
04:26.10citralhe's not a bad guy, but it's slowly annoying
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04:26.37elnovatook ok im sorry.. just that ba*** alcohol distiller's
04:26.38ifupcan someone tell me where the html docs for perl are installed to?
04:26.57citralifup: normally /usr/share/doc/
04:27.11Craigwd_2000Would it help to see my system config?
04:27.42GuerinCraigwd_2000: which app froze? synaptic?
04:27.50citralCraigwd_2000: apt-get install package in an xterm may give more useful infos
04:27.51Craigwd_2000Yes, Synaptic.
04:28.05zignighelix: bleh!
04:28.05citralmaybe mmap
04:28.36cheale1Craigwd_2000: what did apt write last?
04:28.44cheale1and can't you try step by step?
04:28.45ramses0...evening all- what's the latest info on building the custom nvidia-kernel packages? (i haven't updated in a while and have to recompile the modules)
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04:29.10ramses0(honestly, i forgot which package does the whole building process for you, that's really all i need a reminder on)
04:29.16citralramses0: google for "nvidia howto", first hit (comcast)
04:29.16Craigwd_2000What did it write last?  I'm not sure...
04:29.22cheale1ramses0: it didn't change much I think, check debian nvidia howto
04:29.25GuerinCraigwd_2000: checkk the BTS for it; use aptitude if you want a similar sort of thing in console
04:29.30ramses0citral: thanks! :^)
04:29.47GuerinCraigwd_2000: did you try synaptic a second time?
04:29.59Craigwd_2000Yes, same result.
04:30.15citralCraigwd_2000: apt-get install package in an xterm may give more useful infos
04:30.21cheale1so tell us what it writes and insalling less at a time
04:30.30GuerinCraigwd_2000: ok. See if the BTS knows about it; if not, file a bug using reportbug
04:30.32newtoitwhen you type mysql in debian it recognises the command from any directory, does anyone know where these commands are sitting in debian?
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04:30.44Craigwd_2000What's the BTS?
04:30.55mostynewtoit, "which mysql"
04:30.56Guerincitral: it might allow him to install packages, but it doesn't change the fact that synaptic should work.
04:30.59citralnewtoit: that's called your PATH
04:31.05GuerinCraigwd_2000: /topic
04:31.14citralGuerin: mmap ran out of room?
04:31.51Guerincitral: I don't know synaptic well enough to tell. That's an error on apt-get update, though.
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04:32.07newtoitbecause i got mysql in a different dir to normal, i want to disable this auto recognition, what do I have to delete to do so?
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04:32.24Guerinnewtoit: which dir?
04:32.36Guerinnewtoit: do you have mysql in, I mean.
04:32.43jordoAnyone know a good UseNet server that allows posting with no charge?
04:32.46newtoitin /opt/xampp/bin
04:32.48newtoit:)
04:32.49cafuegonewtoit: You need to check the PATH variable.
04:32.50citralGuerin: it's like, people say "xmms don't work", I say run mpg321 -v -o alsa, bacause it brings more useful debug infos
04:33.05cafuegoAnd not install such weird-ass crap.
04:33.13Guerinnewtoit: ok, export PATH=/opt/xampp/bin:$PATH
04:33.26citralguis have always lacked of useful infos
04:34.10Guerinnewtoit: to make it permanent, put it in your ~/.bash_profile
04:34.10newtoitok thanks
04:34.26Guerincitral: oh yeah, I understand.
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04:34.56mdpdoes anyone have a dialog program that works
04:35.32citralmdp: what is your problem?
04:35.34dondelelcaromdp: see the dialog  frontend to debconf
04:35.57Guerinhis dialog is all munted in console
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04:36.00cafuegomdp: yeah, bash -e 'read foo; echo You typed $foo;'
04:36.05Guerinnot in a terminal emulator
04:36.21cafuegoSo he's got 1) A bad $TERM or a bad font.
04:36.28apachedudei'm trying to download an iso of "sarge" but i see 15 isos on the ftp
04:36.28apachedudehttp://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/
04:36.32apachedudewhich ones are necessary?
04:36.39Guerinapachedude: the first, or none.
04:36.47cafuegoapachedude: the 100Mb netinst one.
04:36.52Guerinapachedude: if you have fast internet, just get the insstaller in the topic
04:36.52apachedudesarge-i386-1.iso?
04:37.00apachedudethey're numbered sequentially
04:37.02Craigwd_2000If it helps I only had a128 mb swap partition back then.  Due to the suggestion of a book (a bad suggestion).
04:37.16apachedude(20:38:15) Guerin: apachedude: if you have fast internet, just get the insstaller in the topic ?
04:37.20apachedudewhere's that?
04:37.39Guerinapachedude: in the topic.
04:38.04Guerinapachedude: and you needn't quote me entirely, my memory is not completely destroyed.
04:38.26apachedudeSLASH msg  dpkg d-i?
04:38.32cafuegoapachedude: Ask apt about 'd-i' and fetch the rc2 version sarge-netinst.iso
04:38.42cafuegoapachedude: no need to waste anyone's bandwidth.
04:38.44Guerinapachedude: suck it and see
04:39.16mdpdebconf and bash -e commnads did not work
04:39.23cafuego!lart mdp
04:39.36cafuegoAre you pasting pseudocode into a shell?
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04:40.03mdpI am typing 'dialog --yesno hello 0 0'
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04:40.42citralyou say goodbye, I say hello, hello hello!
04:41.09Craigwd_2000What GUI/desktop environment do you recommend?  I like IceWM but sometimes updates break it...
04:42.02SleepyPeteI like anything with "box" at the end of the title
04:42.17mdpI can type the command in xterm and it works.  The same command does not work on the console
04:42.25citralCraigwd_2000: it's a taste choice, some like fluxbox like me, others xfce, others wmaker
04:42.32pipelineCraigwd_2000: That's a giant flamewar.  I like gnome and twm.  Most people in here seem to like things that end with "box", which I personally abhor.
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04:42.54citralpipeline: you must be kidding :))))
04:43.04mdpthe dialog program works but does not display correctly
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04:43.26citralshift+ctl+a opens aterm,  xhift+ctl+b firefox, happyness
04:43.40Craigwd_2000I'll bet this channel has a lot of Fluxbox fans if that's true pipeline.
04:43.57citralnot only.
04:44.18Craigwd_2000I seem to hear a lot of good things about Fluxbox...
04:44.31pipelineI don't know why.
04:44.39citralwell, it does the job pretty well
04:44.40pipelineFluxbox is like a shitty version of twm / olvwm.
04:44.48pipelineAnd I hate how it eats my colormap in 8-bit.
04:44.49citralblah
04:44.52bob2it's like twm but slightly more usable
04:45.02cafuegoAt the end of the day, with enough computing power and ram speed just isn't a consideration.
04:45.02jordoDoes anyone know a good USENET server that allows posting?
04:45.13bob2jordo: the one your ISP runs
04:45.27bob2pipeline: if you have a 8-bit colourmap, YHL, HAND
04:45.31pipelineYeah, cafuego, but when I have computing power and memory, I use gnome.  Fluxbox is in the nasty position of being stripped down, but still resource hungry.
04:45.35pipelinebob2: YHL?
04:45.42bob2you have lost ;-)
04:46.06pipelineBah.  Bite me.  2M cards are still very, very common.
04:46.23pipelineas a result, they are inexpensive :P
04:46.29cafuegoHah. My machine has 128 times the amount of vram.
04:46.31ryan`as in, YHBT. YHL. HAND.
04:46.54ryan`mmm, hand....
04:47.05Craigwd_2000What is YHBT?
04:47.16cafuego!lart Craigwd_2000
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04:47.33Nadircitral and starshine on my other pc i did all that and got this error ee no devices detected fatal server error
04:47.36Nadirno screens found
04:47.52Nadirx connection to :0.0 broken (expliect kill or server shutdown)
04:48.47Nadirthats what happened after i removed all the dm's.. and did a startx
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04:49.17cafuegolet me guess, nvidia?
04:49.24Nadirya
04:49.49Craigwd_2000Which is better, XFree86 or X.org?
04:50.09catCraigwd_2000: same shit
04:50.27cafuegoCraigwd_2000: Xfree86, as Xorg is not in Debian.
04:50.53Nadirwell anyone???
04:51.12Craigwd_2000Ok, I don't want a Debianized answer...
04:51.28nvzCraigwd_2000: then go away
04:51.49cafuegoCraigwd_2000: Wrong channel. #fedora is there -->
04:52.25Nadircafuego downloading iso's dont come docs
04:52.32Nadirmerely images burnt to a cd
04:52.43cafuegoNadir: the nvidia drivers aren't on debian ISOs.
04:52.53cafuegoNadir: if there was one on your iso, you're not running Debian.
04:52.54citralNadir: google for "nvidia howto" first hit (comcast) and choose the debian way. don't forget to apt-get install kernel-headers-your-kernel-version-here
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04:53.23Nadirhehe im using a wireless usb to connect to the hub and linux doesnt want to detect my hub so 0 internet
04:53.30Nadirerr my little device that is
04:53.39Craigwd_2000Why doesn't Debian have X.org as an option?
04:53.53cafuegoCraigwd_2000: Coz it's not been ported to all 13 or so arches in debian.
04:54.08cafuegoCraigwd_2000: And it won't be until sarge is released.
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04:54.21Craigwd_2000Which happens when?
04:54.23citralCraigwd_2000: xorg is not READY, anyway.
04:54.24cafuegoCraigwd_2000: It's also buggy and slow.
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04:54.49dracCraigwd_2000: /msg dpkg sarge guess
04:55.21bob2Craigwd_2000: after sarge is ready to be released
04:55.22citralthey are all disapointed, the poor gentoo users, now.
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04:56.02bob2fortunately they can use gentoo and be happy
04:56.06bob2yay for choice
04:56.08debian_noviei want to install amsn. could you please tell me how?
04:56.09lnxhi
04:56.16ifuphelp, can someone tell me how to get get this working? I am in Xwindows and in a term su -  joe and run a x app and he can not open the display?
04:56.17zignigbob2: and be far away from here........
04:56.26sean_mickendebian_novie: apt-get install amsn ?
04:56.26dracdebian_novie: apt-get install amsn ?
04:56.29sean_mickenlol
04:56.32drachehe
04:56.32bob2gah
04:56.33bob239C
04:56.38bob2FOAD, summer.
04:56.46bob2ifup: don't do that
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04:57.21debian_noviedo i need to compile anything for amsn?
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04:57.26cafuego23.3°C
04:57.39citralbob2: I like in a way that debian takes some responsibilities for me, e.g. not break anything, test before upload. I'm very happy about that :)
04:58.01bob2debian_novie: no
04:58.11Craigwd_2000Bob2, an answer like that really doesn't help me much...
04:58.16bob2cafuego: I hate you
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04:58.27ifupbob2, is there a way to temporarily do it?
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04:58.49citral39°c is inhiman
04:58.56citral*inhuman
04:59.28debian_noviedo i give the apt-get command at the root terminal?
05:00.05cafuegobob2: I'm sure it's going to come down to here over the next day or two.
05:00.09johnWhat is the package name for mplayer
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05:00.14johni typed apt-cache search mplayer
05:00.19johnbut not to much avail.
05:00.21cafuegobob2: 'sides, we had 38C earlier this week.
05:00.31drac!tell john about marillat
05:00.42bob2Craigwd_2000: sorry, would you prefer me to invent a date?
05:00.44cafuegocitral: Not quite as inhuman as 43C
05:01.03debian_noviedo i give the apt-get command at the root terminal?
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05:01.07citralcafuego: I call that insane.
05:01.10bob2cafuego: 23C tommorow, hopefully
05:01.17bob2debian_novie: that's one way
05:01.19cafuegocitral: Nah, it hits that a few times each summer.
05:01.25bob2citral: hah, yeah, debian is good like that
05:01.32bob2ifup: use sudo or 'su -m'
05:01.54cafuegocitral: Just stay inside, doors and windows shut. Curtains closed... and go out after sunset, to swim in the bay.
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05:02.07citralcafuego: of course
05:02.13cafuegoSat max 25 here
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05:02.34bob2or get AC
05:02.40bob2I would kill you all for AC right now
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05:03.08citralI prefer water than AC
05:03.29dondelelcarobob2: no AC? That sucks.
05:03.52citralI miss the Atlantic ocean damn.
05:03.55dondelelcaroliving without AC is annoying unless you're within easy walking distance of the water
05:04.15Craigwd_2000Me too citral.
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05:04.39citralwindsurf is the greatest sport ever
05:04.58cafuegobob2: I have a portable AC unit
05:05.01covuxhi. anyone in here knowing how to run ie on debian sid via wine or anyone could point me to how to? need it for webdevelopment. thankx.
05:05.08oiowhen i can copy distribution from 7CD to my ftp server. Can i copy all to one directory?
05:05.11citral*backloop*
05:05.13Craigwd_2000My dad and brother both windsurf...
05:05.14cafuegobob2: Point the hot exhaust out the window... nice & cool inside.
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05:05.27sword-sup
05:06.18sword-anyone here use reiser4?
05:06.26Craigwd_2000Actually citral I meant I love a good cold glass of water or ice water.
05:06.31sword-um running 2.6.9 and i tried to use the 2.6.9-mm1 patch
05:06.33sword-fucked it up heh
05:07.30citralCraigwd_2000: uh, I surfed one time by 2°c, went out purple.... not for me, 18-20°c is nice.
05:08.12cafuegosword-: Why would you do that?
05:08.34sword-what? upgrade to reiser4 or fuck it up =)
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05:08.55cafuegosword-: try 2.6.9-mm1  and/or reiser4
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05:09.08sword-hmm just to try it out
05:09.16cafuegosword-: 2.6.10 has been out for a while. This would normally indicate .9 has bugs.
05:09.16sword-friend of mine told me reiser4 is fast
05:09.28Phatedcitral: Only the heads?
05:09.34sword-hrm true
05:09.36Klebelwhats a good program to extract isos?
05:09.42sword-but mwilson asked me why would i try 2.6.10 hehe
05:09.44cafuegosword-: Much like gluing plastic wings to it won't speed up a car, ricer4 isn't fast ;-)
05:09.56dracKlebel: you don't need to extract isos, you just mount them.
05:10.00cafuegosword-: Well, if 2.6.9 is working OK you indeed wouldn't.
05:10.06citralPhated: I had a good suit, so the exposed parts were head, hands and feets
05:10.11sword-ricer4
05:10.11sword-haha
05:10.18sword-you use xfs cafuego ?
05:10.19cafuego!ricerfs
05:10.19dpkgricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info.
05:10.20Phatedcitral: Ah, right. And you think that protects you how, eh? :)
05:10.29cafuegosword-: No, I like my data. I use ext3.
05:10.35Klebeldrac: thnx
05:10.38citralthe most horrible were the ears, at 60Km/h :)
05:10.46PhatedHehe.
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05:11.05Craigwd_2000So, dpkg, is ext3 more reliable than reiserfs?
05:11.11bob2yes
05:11.17citralindeed
05:11.20sword-i thought the only ricers we referred to were gentoo ricers cafuego
05:11.22PhatedHuzzah for ext3.
05:11.47cafuegosword-: No, there are also people who abuse decent distrubutions to the point of breakage.
05:11.51Craigwd_2000Why doesn't dpkg appear in the user list?
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05:12.10citralCraigwd_2000: you didn't look properly
05:12.11PhatedDon't talk to dpkg, for the love of god.
05:12.13cafuegoCraigwd_2000: a floppy with fat8 is more reliable then reiserfs4.
05:12.14sword-good point cafuego
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05:12.23sword-but i think debian is more than decent
05:12.38aokazeI have a mouse with a scroll wheel and I was wondering what I can do to set the ammount the scroll wheel moves
05:12.40cafuegosword-: That still doesn't stop people using efs and reiser4 on it.
05:12.45cafuegos/e/x/
05:12.48sword-hehe
05:12.52Craigwd_2000Speaking of floppies what's the best file system to use on floppies?
05:12.59Phatedsword-: It only shows the amount you screwed it up, no...? :)
05:13.01cafuegoCraigwd_2000: Yes.
05:13.14sword-well yeah I did screw up the process
05:13.14MobyTurboCraigwd_2000: minix
05:13.16sword-no big
05:13.16citralCraigwd_2000: with a bit of salt, it's perfecxt
05:13.18AdrianLPWhy when someone speaks off topic, do they get complained at left, right, and center, but then their debian questions go unanswered?
05:13.19sword-learning experience
05:13.27PhatedTrue.
05:13.38citralAdrianLP: because?
05:14.05sword-hey, if ricer screws me over, then i learned
05:14.05sword-my friend uses ext3 in clustering environments
05:14.06AdrianLPcitral: This is what I'm wondering, yes.
05:14.06sword-at my college
05:14.06MobyTurboAdrianLP: still at it?
05:14.06sword-i do agree that ext3 is the most stable
05:14.07Craigwd_2000Ok for best compatibility what FS should I use?
05:14.18PhatedFAT?
05:14.19citralfat
05:14.27AdrianLPMobyTurbo: Sod off and read up, I've asked a Debian related question.  Do you only see things when you think you can bitch at people for them?
05:14.30cafuegoCraigwd_2000: FAT
05:14.35Xsquaredhey, my Xwindows keeps stuffing up after being logged in for a while. When i go to switch to a tty shell, Xwindows crashes and i can't do anything unless i go back to tty7(Xwindows) and most of the time you can go back to it's original state.
05:14.41cafuegoCraigwd_2000: Unless you want it to be compatible with MacOS.
05:14.52Craigwd_2000Not FAT32?  I only use OEM SR2 and later...
05:15.02Xsquaredwhat should i do to restart it so i can access my other tty's
05:15.02cafuegoCraigwd_2000: No, not FAR32
05:15.07scarynetworkguyCraigwd_2000: Nope FAT.
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05:15.19cafuegoCraigwd_2000: it's a 1.4MB filesystem. FAT32 offers ZERO advantages.
05:15.28MobyTurboAdrianLP: if you hate #debian so much why have you been flaming it for the past six hours?
05:15.29citralbut PHAT does!
05:15.33Craigwd_2000Why, does Mac OS not like FAT32?
05:15.49FieldySnutswhy do we care
05:15.51cafuegoCraigwd_2000: It prefers HFS
05:16.07citralCraigwd_2000: because Macintosh don't like Bill
05:16.12AdrianLPMobyTurbo: I'm not flaming anyone.  I have asked a Debian question, I want to know why it goes unanswered, people ignore the valid questions, then complain when anything OT is said.
05:16.12Craigwd_2000Ok, will it see FAT32?
05:16.19cafuegoFAT!
05:16.24AdrianLPMobyTurbo: Actually, what I really want, is an answer to my question.
05:16.33PhatedOuch.
05:16.52bob2AdrianLP: there's 0 point in whining about people ignoring your questions
05:16.53cafuegoand don't be tempted to use PhatedFS v2
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05:16.57sword-im using a macosx backdrop
05:16.58sword-hehe
05:17.00bob2all it does make people not want to bother helping at all
05:17.08sword-i need to get a different backdrop
05:17.11Phatedcafuego: :P
05:17.17Craigwd_2000Ouch, I just want a decent answer.  I thought smaller clusters meant more efficient.
05:17.19citralAdrianLP: you got this message when lauching what?
05:17.20scarynetworkguyFAT FAT FAT FAT
05:17.21bob2AdrianLP: it's an X bug, iirc, check bugzilla
05:17.22Phated!cafuego disclaimer
05:17.22dpkgi heard cafuego disclaimer is Don't believe what cafuego tells you, unless you're immortal, cafuego or both!
05:17.26PhatedThere. :)
05:17.28bob2er, the BTS
05:17.32AdrianLPbob2: They can ignore, that's fine.  My issue is they ignore what they shouldn't, then get all up in arms when you try to talk about anything else.
05:17.33cafuego!cafuegosmite Phated
05:17.39Phated!Phatedsmite cafuego
05:17.49AdrianLPcitral: Firefox, xchat, any GTK using app.  Do you still see it?
05:17.53bob2AdrianLP: how are those two things related?
05:17.58Xsquaredwhat should i do to restart Xwindows so i can access my other tty's?
05:18.03scarynetworkguy!geezersmite everybody.
05:18.12PhatedAdrianLP: Maybe they just... didn't know the answer?
05:18.15AdrianLPbob2: I read through,and used google to search it as well as I could.  I had to specify a package, and I wasn't sure which GTK package might cause it, I have quite a few installed.
05:18.20debd00dif i want debian to run a commmand at start up...where do i put the command at?
05:18.29debd00di cant find a local file
05:18.30citralAdrianLP: dpkg-reconfigure locales
05:18.30bob2AdrianLP: X, not gtk
05:18.43bob2debd00d: what command?
05:18.47AdrianLPbob2: So the xfree86-common package?  You know the bug I refer to right?
05:18.52debd00da bash script  i made
05:19.00cafuegodammit, now I've got hiccups
05:19.01AdrianLPcitral: Ya, done that.  I chose English Canada.  Then I tried with English US.
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05:19.08Phatedcafuego: :) Water?
05:19.12bob2AdrianLP: no and no
05:19.16cafuegohmm, beer
05:19.17bob2debd00d: which does what?
05:19.21scarynetworkguycafuego: BOO!!!
05:19.26debd00dunmutes my soundcards
05:19.31citraljever
05:19.33Craigwd_2000Dpkg is funny...
05:19.33dpkgCraigwd_2000: i don't know
05:19.37bob2ew
05:19.37debd00dbecause they dont unmute themselvs
05:19.42cafuegoOI!
05:19.47citralhaye
05:19.51bob2debd00d: er, save your alsa settings then
05:19.52PhatedAye?
05:19.56AdrianLPbob2: If you would tell me which one, I'd not have to ask this question  :)  Which package?  You said "X", which X package would give a GTK warning about xlibs?  I did't see it under xlib.
05:20.00scarynetworkguycafuego: That sort em?
05:20.02debd00dbob2: ive tried
05:20.06debd00ddoesnt work
05:20.07bob2AdrianLP: no idea
05:20.11Craigwd_2000The bot actually answered me!  It took you long enough dpkg!
05:20.12bob2debd00d: then file a bug
05:20.13mlewis00Xsquared: <ctrl><alt><f1>, <f2>, etc. ... you can do that while X is rinning.
05:20.23AdrianLPbob2: You've seen it before though, you recall reading a bug report?
05:20.24mlewis00s/rinning/running/
05:20.24bob2please stop doing pointless stuff with the bot
05:20.25PhatedCraigwd_2000: :|
05:20.31debd00di have
05:20.32bob2AdrianLP: reading about one
05:20.37AdrianLPPhated: ...someone knew the answer  :)
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05:20.44AdrianLPbob2: Ok, fair enough, that is all I needed to know.
05:21.03PhatedAdrianLP: And was he around when you asked? *shrug* AFAICS, you have an answer now. Have a nice day.
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05:21.23Xsquaredmlewis00: mate, X is like shittin itself, and it won't let me access it.. all i get is Xwindows screen locked up
05:21.28AdrianLPPhated: thank you, you too.
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05:21.49PhatedXsquared: Ctrl-Alt-BkSp?
05:21.52Guerinmmmm, yukgaejang
05:21.58citralXsquared: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE
05:21.58PhatedI mean, if you really want to kill it.
05:22.05mlewis00Xsquared: <ctrl><alt><bkspc> to kill X ...
05:22.10scarynetworkguyGuerin: Stop making me hungry damn you.
05:22.13Craigwd_2000Phated: I think a bot should be equipped to answer common questions...  I think the FS one is quite common by now...
05:22.16debian_novicehow do i use my mp3 files in windows xp from within Debian?
05:22.26Guerindebian_novice: play them in a player
05:22.30jordoAnyone know the channel for hardware?
05:22.38citraldebian_novice: transfer them via ftp or anything
05:22.38Guerinjordo: #hardware, bizarrely
05:22.41PhatedCraigwd_2000: I think you need to learn the bot's syntax. Or just not ask the bot stupid things.
05:22.49scarynetworkguyWacky naming schemes.
05:22.52debian_novicehow do i do that?
05:23.04Craigwd_2000Oh, so where do I get that?
05:23.16Phateddebian_novice: You want to mount your XP partition and stuff. Man mount. :)
05:23.24Xsquaredmlewis00: it won't work, ive used that key sequence... nothing
05:23.38debian_novicei am new to all this..i have no idea
05:23.41debian_noviceplz help
05:23.41citraldebian_novice: simplest way, install a samba client on your debian
05:23.45debian_noviceok
05:23.48debian_novicei can do that
05:23.51debian_novicethen?
05:23.52bob2erm
05:23.57PhatedMounting seems easier than samba...
05:23.59PhatedIMO.
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05:24.01bob2debian_novice: this is on the one computer, right?
05:24.03Xsquaredcan i kill the Xwindows process or something?
05:24.05debian_noviceyes
05:24.15bob2then samba is useless
05:24.21citraldebian_novice: then... open it, browse your winbloze box and transfer the mp3
05:24.27mlewis00Xsquared: Sounds like it is either busy doing something or it has locked up the hardware...you could either wait or hit the reset button :-)
05:24.31bob2citral: please don't do that
05:24.45scarynetworkguyXsquared: Is the partition of evil in question on the same HDD as the partition of good or another one?
05:25.00citralerf ok, just saw he was on one computer
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05:25.24debian_novicebob2 or citral: i want to use the mp3 without making double copies of them
05:25.34bob2yes, we know
05:25.48citraldebian_novice: is the windows partition nfs, fat or evil?
05:26.00debian_novicentfs
05:26.06PhatedEvil.
05:26.08debian_noviceits winxp proefssional
05:26.11mlewis00Xsquared: Not if it is locked up like you say it is ... if you could get to a terminal you could.
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05:26.21jordoDoes anyone know how to set Firefox as your default browser in KDE?
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05:26.29cafuegothere's nothing professional about winxp
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05:26.39PhatedIt's a professional muckup?
05:26.48cafuegoit wishes
05:26.54scarynetworkguyPhated: A very professional muckup, yes.
05:27.00bob2jordo: #debian-kde
05:27.01PhatedHeh.
05:27.09citral<sarcasm> pro hahahaha </sarcasm>
05:27.19cafuegoAn amateurish attempt at a muckup. Not like plan9, which is a semi-professional muckup.
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05:27.49cafuego(but that was at least DESIGNED to be a muckup)
05:27.51scarynetworkguycafuego: no plan9 is a muckup brought to us by godlike beings from the far reaches of space and time.
05:27.56zignigcafuego: plan9 is such a cool idea though.
05:28.00JayHi, all...I'm having a problem with sound on my laptop, anyone have it in their heart to help me out?
05:28.00cafuegoGelnda: you lie.
05:28.07cafuegos/Gelnda/Glenda/
05:28.11JayI've been posting to mailing lists but no one 's had an answer so far
05:28.12citral"professional" gives you the right to pay a lot of $ more, so you feel like professional.
05:28.13Xsquaredscarynetworkguy: same one
05:28.17scarynetworkguy!tell Jay about ask
05:28.18buckyJay, what kind of laptop?
05:28.22AdrianLPcafuego: I read a bit about plan9, never used it though.  Do they still develop it?
05:28.25debian_novicebob2: how do i play the mp3 files?
05:28.27Jayit's a Thinkpad i1300
05:28.31Xsquaredlewis00: i can get a terminal
05:28.33buckyhmm..
05:28.34cafuegozignig: I'll try again once I get low enough spec'd hardware to play with Inferno.
05:28.48bob2someone explain mounting to debian_novice
05:28.52scarynetworkguyXsquared: Sorry about that. I parsed names wrong. I blame too much sugar. :)
05:28.52bob2I'll cry if I have to do it again
05:29.03Phatedbob2: Can't we say "man mount"? Pwease?
05:29.05Jaysound card shows up as "ALi Corporation M5451" device
05:29.12scarynetworkguydebian_novice: man mount
05:29.13citraldebian_novice: bam sically, you have to mount the ntfs partition (read only) to access it
05:29.16zignigcafuego: I just like the idea that everythingy ( includings CPU and pci boards ) are a 'network' device.
05:29.20cafuegoAdrianLP: Doubt it, it's all about Inferno now.
05:29.25bob2scarynetworkguy: don't be useless
05:29.29PhatedOf course, then he needs ntfs support...
05:29.36zignigcafuego: url ?
05:29.41debian_novicecitral: how do i mount the ntfs partition?
05:29.42cafuegozignig: uhhh
05:29.57bob2debian_novice: blah
05:30.01cafuegodebian_novice: Which partition is your ntfs partition?
05:30.01bob2debian_novice: what partition is it?
05:30.06zignigcafuego: was that plan9 ?
05:30.32debian_novicebob2: didnt get ur question
05:30.32Xsquaredscarynetworkguy: lol, i thought it was a strange question
05:30.34Jaydebian_novice: mount -t ntfs "device" "mountpoint"
05:30.38AdrianLPcafuego: Ah.  Last time I checked SCSI motherboard were supported really well, but not many otherwise.
05:30.42bob2I hate you all
05:30.46PhatedEh!
05:30.51Guerinbob2: we hate you, too.
05:30.54bob2debian_novice: what partition do you want to mount
05:30.56Jayso something like "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfsdrive
05:30.56bob2Guerin: I know
05:30.57cafuegozignig: http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/papers/bltj.html
05:30.57Phated!smite bob2
05:31.03PhatedThere. Ner.
05:31.03scarynetworkguyXsquared: Yeah my bad.
05:31.05bob2debian_novice: you need to find that out
05:31.10scarynetworkguybob2: But it's all I'm good at.
05:31.23mlewis00Xsquared: As root you may be able to killall XFree86...
05:31.23cafuegodebian_novice: Is yuor NTFS partition /dev/hda1?
05:31.26citraldebian_novice: simple way: modprobe ntfs; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda3 /mnt (replace hda3 with your ntfs partition of course)
05:31.49buckyJay, it's not the install kernel your running is it
05:32.06debian_novicecafuego: i think so..how to i find out what it is?
05:32.13Jayit's 2.6.7
05:32.15cafuegodebian_novice: Run 'fdisk -l' as root.
05:32.22citral!spoonfeeding
05:32.22dpkgSpoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions.  Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers.
05:32.27cafuegodebian_novice: it will say which partition is the NTFS/HPFS one.
05:32.28citralscarynetworkguy: ^^
05:32.36buckyJay, alsa?
05:32.43Jayyeah, trying to use alsa
05:32.51JayI ran alsaconf, and it finds the card, etc
05:32.51zignigcafuego: aha, plan9 is the distributed system...... but inferno looks pretty cool.
05:32.52buckyJay, did you run alsaconf?
05:32.52mlewis00Xsquared: Or 'ps -A | grep XFree86' and then kill the process by its process ID.
05:33.00debian_novicecafuego: fdisk is for formatting hard disk
05:33.01debian_novice?
05:33.20Jaybut then alsamixer gives me function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
05:33.24PhatedWith -l it just lists your partitions.
05:33.30cafuegodebian_novice: You get to ask questions when you're not longer a novice.
05:33.40cafuegodebian_novice: Until then, do as you're told ;-)
05:33.40MobyTurbodebian_novice: fdisk is for modifying and displaying your partitions. man fdisk
05:33.47cafuego!helping
05:33.47dpkgsomebody said helping was Give a man a fire and he can keep hismelf warm for a day. Set fire to him and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
05:33.47Phatedcafuego: Hehe.
05:33.55Jayand running artsd gives me the same thing, says the device isnt there (/dev/dsp)
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05:34.08Jay/dev/dsp is there, of course, as a symlink to /dev/dsp0
05:34.12buckyJay, lsmod - do you have a thousand snd_* modules?
05:34.19Jayyeah, pretty close to it
05:34.39scarynetworkguycitral: Since when is a pointer at a faq and a manpage spoonfeeding?
05:34.45Jayat least a dozen or so
05:34.47buckyJay, i like apt-getting alsa-oss and using aumix
05:35.00cafuegodebian_novice: So, which partition is the NTFS one?
05:35.05Jaywill that let me use kmix under kde?
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05:35.22bucky<PROTECTED>
05:35.24JayIt happens to be more convenient for me than aumix or gtkaumix or any of those
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05:35.29citralscarynetworkguy: since uh... jesus or... the egyptians or whatever
05:35.46Jayok, apt-getting now, we'll see what Super Cow Powers can do for me
05:36.02debian_novicecafuego:fdisk -l dosent show nething
05:36.03Jayalsa-oss is already installed, according to apt-get
05:36.15cafuegodebian_novice: Run it as root.
05:36.16buckyJay, are you a member of the audio group ?
05:36.24Jayyes
05:36.29Jaysound wont work as root either though
05:36.42buckyi don't know then
05:36.56PR-how gotmail works? i installed it throug apt, but i can't find how to use it
05:36.59debian_novicecafuego: i did
05:36.59Jayme either, I'm freaking about to drop kick this laptop (if only I didnt need it)
05:37.12Jaythe sound card isnt broken, cause it works under Windows on the dual boot
05:37.12PhatedJay: It's a thinkpad, I want!
05:37.14cafuegodebian_novice: Ok. 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' first.
05:37.24cafuegodebian_novice: if that doesn't list it, run 'fdisk -l /dev/sda'
05:37.40citralscarynetworkguy: no seriously, that was meant tell a newbie step by step what to do, he will come back with more stupid questions, but tell him to read the man, he will come back with answers
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05:37.49GuerinJay: what card, what kernel?
05:38.08bbhillIsnt there some sort of console command that will make your speakers emit a series of beeps if your sound is working? Does anyone know that command?
05:38.11Jaykernel 2.6.7
05:38.14debian_novicecafuego: hda7 is ntfs/hpfs
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05:38.30GuerinJay: debian kernel? and what sound card?
05:38.30Jaycard is ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device
05:38.30cafuegodebian_novice: Ok.
05:38.31Phatedbbhill: You can always cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp :)
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05:38.40bob2bbhill: just play a wav file or something
05:38.42Jayit's Mepis, to get technical
05:38.50scarynetworkguycitral: OKies.
05:38.51cafuegodebian_novice: Now we're going to add an entry to fstab, to make mounting it easier in the future.
05:38.52Jaybut it's basically Debian testing/unstable
05:38.53Guerin!nondeb mepis
05:38.54dpkgGo to channel #mepis for help with mepis. If mepis were Debian, it would be called Debian and not mepis.
05:38.57mlewis00bbhill: cat a .wav file to /dev/dsp
05:38.57bbhillPhated: thanks.. Bob2 also.
05:38.59Guerinno, it's not.
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05:39.11cafuegodebian_novice: First, make a directory where we'll mount the partition.
05:39.18cafuegodebian_novice: I tend to use /mnt/win
05:39.27Phatedbbhill: Warning/disclaimer: Do not put on headphones while performing above command.
05:39.28Guerincafuego: I tent to use /mnt/lose
05:39.36bbhillHm..
05:39.40bbhill/dev/dsp.. No such device.
05:39.44bbhillProbably part of my problem
05:39.48cafuegoGuerin: losers can't use spellcheckers
05:40.02Guerincafuego: knot trou
05:40.07debian_novicecafuego: so i just type mkdir win?
05:40.11cafuegoGuerin: campers use tents
05:40.16cafuegodebian_novice: yep.
05:40.17Guerinbbhill: what sound card, what kernel
05:40.23buckyJay, you don't want the old oss modules interfering rmmod via82cxxx_audio and ac97_codec
05:40.33bbhillGuerin : 2.6 and an onboard Yahama chip correctly selected when building my kernel.
05:40.44citralah!
05:40.44Phatedbbhill: In all seriousness, you can install mpg321 or ogg123 or cdtool and just play something.
05:40.52bbhillAhem.. Dare I admit this, when I used Gentoo, it worked. So I know the card is good and supported.
05:40.55Guerinbbhill: 2.6 is not a kernel version> And what card exactly.
05:40.57Guerin?
05:40.58bbhillIm just not setting it up right for osme reason.
05:41.02cafuegodebian_novice: When that's done, we're going to make sure your user account is in the 'users' group.
05:41.05debian_novicecafuego: done
05:41.16cafuegodebian_novice: Run 'adduser <your login name> users'
05:41.31JayI have an AC97 conflict
05:41.31citralbbhill: now, you are using debian. So you could consider using a stock kernel-image.
05:41.38Jayshould I apt-get remove alsa-oss ?
05:41.42debian_novicecafuego: i have two accounts on it: one is root another one user account
05:42.08cafuegodebian_novice: The user account, that's the one you'll be using to access your mp3s
05:42.15bbhillGuerin: I know this is lame and all, but I dont know the model name - It's however the first Yamaha on the list. It comes standard on an intel p3-600 coppermine.. I'd have to dig for docs (which arent here) to get the exact name. Any way to tell what I picked in my kernel? I know it is the correct card.
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05:42.26Guerinwtf
05:42.31Guerinlspci
05:42.32Phatedlspci...
05:42.36PhatedJinx.
05:42.37debian_novicecafuego: should i logout of root now?
05:42.46cafuegodebian_novice: No, stay logged in.
05:42.48citralbbhill: I will ad to that, that there is almost no point compiling yourself a 2.6 kernel, I'm sorry. All the brain washing make no sense.
05:42.54Guerinbbhill: or grep your kernel config for it. Also: WHAT FUCKING KERNEL?
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05:43.03Phateduname -r!
05:43.04cafuegodebian_novice: Now we're going to add a line to /etc/fstab
05:43.07bbhillGuerin: Yamaha Corp YMF-740C [DS-1l Audio Controller]
05:43.14cafuegodebian_novice: Open it up in your favourite editor.
05:43.15Guerinok, now we're cooking
05:43.21bbhillGuerin: Once again your asking for info I dont know how to find out.
05:43.22debian_novicecafuego: i didnt do the adduser thing
05:43.23bbhillIt is a 2.6 though.
05:43.27Eclipsergood, I'm hungry
05:43.28Guerinbbhill: why not?
05:43.30Phatedbbhill: uname -r
05:43.39mlewis00Isn't it a good idea to build the kernel with the sound driver as a module?
05:43.39bbhill2.6.10.
05:43.41bbhillThank you.
05:43.46Guerinbbhill: you built the fucking kernel, you don't know what verison it is?
05:44.00PhatedOh, he built it? OK.
05:44.03bbhillSorry.
05:44.05Guerinmlewis00: it IS a good idea to build as a module.
05:44.10citralmlewis00: don't ever think buildeing the sound as built-in, it won't work
05:44.13EclipserGuerin, language please :<
05:44.18Guerinbbhill: ok. Put the output of lsmod |grep snd on a httpd someplace
05:44.22ahewittdoes anyone know what the gtk dev package is called that I should have installed to get mplayer to compile? I thought it would be libgtk2.0-dev but I am still getting "Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found)."
05:44.22cafuegodebian_novice: And add (all on a single line, without the quotes) "/dev/hda7 /mnt/win ntfs noauto,ro,user,umask=022,gid=1000 0 0"
05:44.26GuerinEclipser: english, yeah.
05:44.34PhatedEclipser: This isn't some weird "family" channel.
05:44.37bob2ahewitt: install build-essential and gnome-core-devel, too
05:44.44Guerinor if it is, it's some weird family
05:44.53PhatedLike the Addams one.
05:44.56mlewis00Guerin: citral , that's what I thought...he said it is built into the kernel I think.
05:44.56scarynetworkguyThe word "Manson" comes to mind.
05:44.57EclipserPhated, yes but still... it looks childish :)
05:44.59bob2I'd be terrified if my family was like #debian in any way
05:44.59ahewittbob2: sweet..cheers
05:45.00debian_novicecafuego: i didnt do the adduser thing
05:45.05Phatedscarynetworkguy: Osbourne!
05:45.05GuerinEclipser: haaha
05:45.06cafuegodebian_novice: You can do the adduser thing later
05:45.07bbhillGuerin: lsmod |grep snd as root gives me no output.
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05:45.12citralPhated: addams.
05:45.22scarynetworkguyPhated: Yeah!
05:45.22Guerinbbhill: ok, you don't have your soundcard module probed.
05:45.29zignigbob2: but we _are_ your family Mwhahahahahah
05:45.38Guerinbbhill: either that or it's built in.
05:45.41PR-i installed gotmail, but i don't now how to work with it
05:45.44citralAHahAHagAHagh
05:45.44debian_novicecafuego: do i need to do the fstab before the single line command u gave now?
05:45.53citral!u
05:45.53dpkgDammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
05:45.54Guerin!tell PR- about helpfile gotmail
05:46.01PhatedEclipser: It was an expression of frustration. You can a) ignore it, since it wasn't directed at you, or b) act like a prude, which gets you annoyed and gets others annoyed. :) Your choice.
05:46.05cafuegodebian_novice: The line I gave you is what you add into /etc/fstab
05:46.19bbhillGuerin: Ok, I understand. Anything you can direct me to, manuals or something that describe how I go about doing that?
05:46.28PR-can samethanks
05:46.31PR-thanks
05:46.34debian_novicecafuego: how do i add that line to /etc/fstab?
05:46.36Guerinbbhill: did you build it in or as a module?
05:46.40PhatedYOu edit the file, debian_novice.
05:46.47cafuegodebian_novice: With a text editor like nano or vi.
05:46.48citraldebian_novice: sudo vi /etc/fstab
05:46.52bbhillGuerin: When making the kernel, all I did was select the box for Yamaha YMF-740C.
05:46.53bob2dude
05:46.54Eclipserhaha
05:46.57Guerinbbhill: why the fuck did you build this kernel, since you know nothing about it?
05:47.00bob2recommending clueless people use vi is EVIL
05:47.08Guerinyeah
05:47.11Guerinemacs all the way
05:47.15PhatedHah.
05:47.16bbhillGuerin: Because I know what hardware im using. Im not a computer n00b - Just a linux n00b.
05:47.16citralhahahha
05:47.16scarynetworkguyNo it's not.
05:47.22Eclipserbob2, yeah, recommend vim \o/
05:47.30PhatedOr just -nano-, ftlog.
05:47.37citralbob2 hate us all
05:47.42Guerinbbhill: grep YMF /boot/config-`uname -r`
05:47.43scarynetworkguyadn emacs is not.
05:47.45PhatedThat's OK, we hate him too.
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05:48.00debian_novicecafuego: will gedit work?
05:48.02Guerinemacs is everywhere worthwhile
05:48.08citralvi here, vi there, vi everywhere
05:48.11cafuegodebian_novice: Yep, as long as root runs it./
05:48.46citralvi for editing config file, that's the only thing it's good at </troll>
05:48.50bbhillGuerin: CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI=y
05:48.58scarynetworkguyGuerin: Yeah next time you are on a 28.8 dialup into a IPSO based firewall at 0324 hrs you tell me how cool emacs is. :)
05:48.59PhatedOK, so it's built in.
05:49.04Guerinbbhill: ok, it's built-in
05:49.16citral<troll> emacs for anything a little bit elaborated, like html, latex.
05:49.29PhatedBah, august for html.
05:49.31Guerinbbhill: modprobe snd-pcm-oss
05:49.38scarynetworkguyaugust does rule.
05:49.50Guerinaugust?
05:49.50Eclipserscarynetworkguy, 28.8 dialup? do those even exist anymore :)
05:49.50cafuegovim for everything. be silent.
05:49.55Xenguydebian_novice: if you have the 'mc' package installed, then you can use the 'mcedit' editor -- it's n00b-friendly :-)
05:49.57Eclipsercafuego, amen
05:49.58PhatedOh, all right, vim it is.
05:50.07scarynetworkguyEclipser: Hell in my world that's *fast* sometimes.
05:50.07citralbeurk Phated, a gui. beurk.
05:50.18bbhillGuerin: FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found.
05:50.19Phated"Beurk"?
05:50.22Eclipserscarynetworkguy, scary :)
05:50.29citralfrench for bleh
05:50.35PhatedAh, right.
05:50.37scarynetworkguyEclipser: Yes it is.
05:50.40Guerinbbhill: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 && reboot
05:50.45citralPhated: emacs -nw
05:50.47Guerinbbhill: your kernel is worthless
05:50.54PhatedAnd listen to what it says about initrd!
05:51.02PhatedHAHA
05:51.04scarynetworkguyBut of course if the t1 were up I wouldn't be hacking on the firewall ot 0330 hrs now would I?
05:51.14bbhillGuerin: Will do that now. Be back shortly.. thanks guys.
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05:51.34EclipserI went to visit my parents during christmas and came to a conclusion that 2Mbit ADSL is _slow_ (at least when compared to my own connection :p)
05:51.37Phatedvigor?
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05:52.04citralcafuego: mmmmm snails
05:52.04peterSPhated: read 'apt-cache show vigor' and phear
05:52.07PhatedWhat cafuego said.
05:52.10Guerindon't make me crow about my bandwidth again
05:52.23PhatedpeterS: MY GOD
05:53.00scarynetworkguyPhated: It started out as a UF about a vi plugin that Piter wrote to try and take over the world with. Some poor damned soul then went ahead and wrote it in rl.
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05:53.17PhatedWhat on earth...
05:53.21loke!weed
05:53.22citralpeterS: I'm terrified
05:53.34loke!beer #debian
05:53.37Xenguyloke: can you weed me man? ;-)
05:53.45loke!weed Xenguy
05:53.59lokeXenguy didnt work
05:54.06Xenguyloke: heh - thanks for trying 8-D
05:54.08Guerintoo much weed
05:54.09peterS!stupid bot tricks
05:54.10dpkgWatching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast.  If you really *must* do it, don't do it here.  Use /msg.
05:54.18citraldpkg: weed =~ s/rizla/rizzla/
05:54.18dpkgOK, citral
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05:54.24lokesorry peterS
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05:55.06peterSscarynetworkguy: it does seem like the stuff of comic strips
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05:55.08dondelelcarohey, vi has to have a helpful paperclip
05:55.09bbhillJust edited my lilo.conf to add the initrd=/initrd.img. Rebooting. BRB.
05:55.22debian_novicecafuego: i added that line
05:55.24Phated"Helpful"?
05:55.46cafuegodebian_novice: Good. Now run 'adduser <username> users'
05:55.46ChrysalisMThere sure is a myriad of security holes in testing right now
05:55.54scarynetworkguypeterS: Oh it was a funny storyline.
05:56.00bbhillGuerin: Do I want a link from /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-686 to initrd.img?
05:56.11dondelelcaroPhated: for values of helpful between "shot your dog and ran away with your significant other" to "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda"
05:56.16cafuegobbhill: Did you check that /initrd.img links to an EXISTING file?
05:56.21scarynetworkguyIt's just been years since I read it.
05:56.23citralbbhill: run lilo !
05:56.24Guerinbbhill: just follow the instructions debconf gives you. I don't use lilo.
05:56.25Phatedbbhill: Yes, because you just told it to boot from /initrd.img
05:56.31peterSPhated: "It looks like you're writing a .bashrc file.  did you want to add an alias for 'ls -l', by any chance?"
05:56.38PhatedpeterS: My god.
05:56.40Phateddondelelcaro: Heh.
05:56.46GuerinpeterS: haha
05:56.49citralbbhill: seriously, type "lilo" as root or it's useless
05:56.50peterSPhated: hey, I just made that up.  I don't know if vigor is actually that bad
05:57.05scarynetworkguypeterS: If only it really were tha helpful.
05:57.12PhatedpeterS: Haha. I just installed it, actually.
05:57.14bbhillcitral: im still in the apt-get. Now it wants to know if I want a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf.
05:57.17debian_novicecafuego: since i already have an user acct..do i need to make another one?
05:57.29Phateddebian_novice: It isn't a new account.
05:57.38peterSbbhill: this is while upgrading lilo?
05:57.51citralbbhill: you want *a priori*, since they are symlinks
05:58.00scarynetworkguypeterS: Thinks things like. "Are you sure you want to move left?"
05:58.08PhatedpeterS: Oh lord, this is so funny.
05:58.13bbhillI've got a yes or no option on this boot block thing.
05:58.16debian_novicecafuego:understood. done
05:58.21citralmy god. it's 7:00 AM
05:58.32Phated"You have not entered insert mode before. While you're in insert mode, remember that you need to return to command mode before enterig Vigor commands!"
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05:58.38scarynetworkguyHAHAHAH
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05:58.47cafuegopeterS: We need to hunt down and kill whoever wrote vigor. That shit is EVIL.
05:58.54peterSbbhill: the reason for the question is that there may be some situations where you have a /etc/lilo.conf but *don't* want lilo to run and blow away your current boot block, which might actually be something else
05:59.03cafuegodebian_novice: Ok. Now log into a NEW console as that users.
05:59.07bbhillpeterS: I am installing a kernel image.
05:59.09peterSbbhill: but that's uncommon.  ordinarily you do want to run the new version of lilo at that point, as it asks
05:59.17PhatedpeterS: :q! "Don't go! The text needs you! It depends on you!"
05:59.23scarynetworkguycafuego: Evil would be the whole point.
05:59.25dondelelcaroisn't it pitr?
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05:59.30peterSPhated: ha
05:59.31debian_novicecafuego: new console?
05:59.36scarynetworkguydondelelcaro: Yeah it is. My bad.
05:59.37lokewhat are other good channels you guys attend on freenode?
05:59.54bob2#cockfosters
06:00.00citral#debiann-fr, #debianppc
06:00.01Phated"If you want to take advantage of the cancel feature, you need to upgrade to the server version of vigor. Contact you sales representative for information."
06:00.06bob2it's just for discussing the cockfosters tube station
06:00.07alphasonyis there someone here who could maybe point me in the right direction
06:00.07cafuegobob2: Hating that excuse for beer?
06:00.07phreakAny idea where to ask a technical question about lilo? (Codeing).
06:00.08peterSloke: there's a channel for whatever free software you're interested in supporting
06:00.10scarynetworkguyNice.
06:00.11alphasonyi need help fixing apt
06:00.20bob2phreak: email the author
06:00.21scarynetworkguybob2: Nice tube station?
06:00.22phreakOr does anyone have an idea of a very simple bootloader? (minimal output)
06:00.29bob2scarynetworkguy: never been there
06:00.32scarynetworkguyphreak: Lilo.
06:00.32dondelelcaroscarynetworkguy: heh. I have the coffee quote on my door... "Dark Crude with Heavy Water. You are understandink? If the gieger counter does not click, the coffee, she is just not thick."
06:00.33PhatedI like that EULA that skips around.
06:00.34scarynetworkguybob2: Heh.
06:00.38citralalphasony: if you ask a real question, maybe
06:00.39bob2scarynetworkguy: the name is all you need to know about it, I hear
06:00.39phreakbob2: Takes to long :)
06:00.45scarynetworkguydondelelcaro: Nice very very nice.
06:00.50bob2cafuego: just annoyed at the lackthereof here
06:00.52scarynetworkguybob2: Coolness.
06:00.54cafuegodebian_novice: Yep. You can switch by hitting alt-F2. Get back to the first one via alt-F1 and back to X via ctrl-alt-F7
06:00.58alphasonycitral: i tend to be careful, becuase people get rather upity on irc channels
06:01.02johnwhat's the best way to check a debian system if it's Sarge/woody/sid
06:01.02phreakscarynetworkguy: Well I can't get lilo to not outputting anything :/
06:01.02john?
06:01.12dondelelcaro(although, heavy water won't cause a geiger counter to click... but then, most people who read it wouldn't know that)
06:01.13cafuegojohn: /etc/debian_version
06:01.13scarynetworkguy!confuse phreak
06:01.13Phatedcat /etc/debian_version
06:01.14dpkgYes, where was our badger yesterday, phreak? shirts of the people's republic of tibet with extra ham
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06:01.20johnthank
06:01.21johns
06:01.28peterSPhated: it always outputs at least "LILO" and "loading kernel ..." but it can be told not to bother with the menu or the graphic or whatever
06:01.31peterSerrrr
06:01.33citralalphasony: bah, not here, if your question makes sense you'll probably get an answer
06:01.36peterSthat's for phreak
06:01.38PhatedpeterS: I know.
06:01.38cafuegodondelelcaro: It'll causes the scales to tip, though.
06:01.51dondelelcarocafuego: if they're accurate enough, I guess...
06:01.51phreakpeterS: I've got it down to LILO ........., but I can't seem to change LILO to something else.
06:01.51alphasonycitral: well, we just did a new installation of i guess testing on a friend's machine
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06:02.12peterSphreak: no, you can't change LILO to something else.  not without hacking the source or something
06:02.13cafuegodondelelcaro: Well, if you have enough pure deuterium/tritium vs "normal" water.
06:02.24phreakpeterS: That's what I'm doing.
06:02.24cafuegodondelelcaro: a litre of each should make a big change
06:02.30citralalphasony: what is the prolem?
06:02.32alphasonycitral: and apt is currently complaining that kpdf can't be installed because it can't find an archive
06:02.43alphasonycitral: this happens whenever you try to install anything
06:02.44phreakpeterS: Changed in first and second, but then I get "Signature not found"
06:02.44citralalphasony: apt-get update
06:02.58dondelelcarocafuego: true... the ^2H enriched water here will do that... don't have much ^3H around though...
06:03.08peterSphreak: yeah, you'll want to hack the source code, not just hex-edit the boot block
06:03.10phreakpeterS: Changed init and linux aswell to not outputting anything (at boot-time)
06:03.25PhatedWhy would you want an outputless boot?
06:03.28dondelelcarocafuego: but it's pretty rare to get enough to make it noticeable... I forget how much the litre of 98% ^2H cost...
06:03.29Xenguyhahah - "Are you sure you don't want to close the Assistant?"  :P
06:03.30cafuegodondelelcaro: I do, unfortunately it fell into the southern ocean and i haven't had enough time to sort it back out ;-)
06:03.32alphasonyalphasony: i think we tried that already, i think
06:03.33phreakpeterS: Yes ofcourse, it's what I'm doing.
06:03.34scarynetworkguyInsanity.
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06:03.52debian_novicecafuego: alt-f2 shows run application
06:04.20ralf-x_on sarge, it takes NFS statd a long time to start
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06:04.24cafuegodebian_novice: Oh, you're running X. ctrl-alt-F2 will give you a console. Never mind. logout (completely) and then log back in.
06:04.26ralf-x_eventually it does start though
06:04.29ralf-x_any thoughts on that?
06:04.49citralthought thought thougts, thougt on that
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06:04.59simonrvncafuego: fell to the bottom ;)
06:05.05citralsorry :/
06:05.05debian_novicecafuego: log back in as the user?
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06:05.17PhatedThe practical jokeability of vigor is endless.
06:05.19bbhill... :(
06:05.42bbhillThat caused alot of problems. I'm here on my other box now.
06:05.44ralf-x_lets see
06:06.23dondelelcaroralf-x_: does your hostname resolve quickly? is postmaster running?
06:06.32citralsomehow, vigor has something to do with viagra
06:06.34debian_novicecafuego: log back in as the user?
06:06.37ralf-x_yea, it resolves fine
06:06.43dondelelcarorrr... portmap
06:06.52ralf-x_hmmm looks like installing nfs-kernel-server with empty exports
06:06.56bbhillGuerin: Alsa fails to detect the soundcard in boot, and additionally, i've no longer got internet access on that machine.
06:07.09ralf-x_then copying the exports in place and 'exportfs -a' might do it
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06:07.59debian14:09 < simonrvn> cafuego: fell to the bottom ;)
06:07.59debian14:09 < citral> sorry :/
06:08.09debianoops
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06:08.25debian_novicecafuego:logged in again as the user
06:09.40citraldebian: sucker :)
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06:10.23debian_novicecitral: once u were too
06:10.41ralf-x_and indeed, now it's taking a while for nfsd to fire up
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06:10.51citraldebian_novice: indeed, but "u" is still not a word.
06:11.01ralf-x_does it have to index the files inside the export btw?
06:11.13ralf-x_it has 1 dir with about 50,000 files in it...
06:11.19ralf-x_wonder if that has anything to do with it
06:11.21alphasonycitral: MrCowGod15 is my friend...i'm not at his house. he's new to irc and debian.
06:11.31MrCowGod15yo
06:11.44cafuegodebian_novice: Good. Now run (as the user) 'mount /mnt/win'
06:11.52alphasonyMrCowGod15: did you try apt-get update?
06:11.57bbhillGuerin or Phated about?
06:12.02citralalphasony: what has this anything to do with me?
06:12.08scarynetworkguybbhill: What?
06:12.13cafuegodebian: Stop pasting me or else
06:12.14alphasonywell you were offering me help earlier
06:12.37MrCowGod15yea, tried apt-get update
06:12.44debian_novicecafuego: it says mount point /mnt/win does not exist
06:12.46citralah I see
06:12.57bbhillscarynetworkguy: they had me apt-get install a new kernel image. I added it to the lilo.conf as directed and have now rebooted.. The machine isnt getting out on the network now and Alsa still dosent detect the sound card (the original problem)
06:12.59cafuegodebian_novice: You sure you made that directory in the first step?
06:13.14debian_novicecafuego: i typed mkdir win
06:13.16cafuegodebian_novice: Just make it now (as root)
06:13.23cafuegodebian_novice: 'mkdir /mnt/win'
06:13.23alphasonyMrCowGod15: so did that work? or did you get the same error?
06:13.32nsillikwhen is alioth going to be working again, i need it for the pure64 dist
06:13.38MrCowGod15lemme try
06:13.40phreakHey, got rid of everything remotly "LILO", but 99 99 99 99. Wonder what's missing :)
06:13.42icemanbbhill: with new kernel image, you need to reload modules for your network card
06:13.48scarynetworkguybbhill: Does a lsmod show your NIC drivers?
06:13.56cafuegophreak: that error normally indicates GRUB is missing.
06:14.07debian_novicecafuego: done
06:14.19citralalphasony, it *could* be that the packages were just removed, it happened before, and probaly happens again. What are you running ?
06:14.24phreakcafuego: Don't mind me, just said it to the ones commenting before. :)
06:14.25cafuegodebian_novice: Ok. Now run 'mount /mnt/win' again (as user)
06:14.39MrCowGod15one sec
06:14.42bbhillscarynetworkguy: it dosent sppear to - However some of these names I dont understand.  No eth0 or anything.
06:14.42debian_novicecafuego: i did
06:14.46bbhill*appear.
06:14.47alphasonyMrCowGod15: next time install sshd right off the bat so I can use your machine before apt has a chance to break
06:14.47cafuegodebian_novice: No errors?
06:14.53debian_novicecafuego: no
06:14.56cafuegodebian_novice: 'df'
06:15.05scarynetworkguybbhill: If not try a lsmod whateveryournicis if that doens't work boot into the old kernel and figure out why the kernel doesn't like you nic.
06:15.14cafuegodebian_novice: Does that list /dev/hda7 as mounted?
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06:15.37Daemel1good news: hddvd/blu-ray is going to use WMV9 & DRM
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06:15.46debian_novicecafuego: it says /dev/hda7  /mnt/win
06:15.49alphasonycitral: i'm not sure what the default release is: I assume it's testing for the new debian-installer
06:15.52cafuegodebian_novice: beautiful.
06:16.01cafuegodebian_novice: 'ls /mnt/win'
06:16.08citralalphasony: cat /etc/debian_version
06:16.26alphasonyMrCowGod15: /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version
06:16.30bbhillscarynetworkguy: the working kernel is /usr/src/linux-2.6.10. How do I go about instructing it to boot this?
06:16.30alphasonyoh wait
06:16.33cafuegodebian_novice: You can now access your windows files via there. You will need to manually run that mount command after each reboot.
06:16.33debian_novicecafuego: now i can see the folders
06:16.40alphasonyMrCowGod15: belay that
06:16.48alphasonyMrCowGod15: wont' work if you're ircing from your mac
06:16.49cafuegodebian_novice: You can NOT write to it, doing that under Linxu will break NTFS.
06:16.59ralf-x_hmm
06:17.11ralf-x_nfs-user-server seems to have even more issue
06:17.17cafuegoDaemel1: Have they decided who will use hddvd/blu-ray?
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06:17.26debian_novicecafuego: how do i now play the mp3 songs?
06:17.33MrCowGod15aplpasony: /exec: no such file or directory
06:17.36cafuegoDaemel1: Coz I doubt may people willw ant to trash their relatively new hardware
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06:17.48alphasonyMrCowGod15: just run cat /etc/debaian_version
06:17.53citraldebian_novice: install cplay, for example
06:18.03icemandebian_novice: 'xmms' is a popular winamp clone
06:18.04Daemel1cafuego what new hardware?
06:18.11cafuegodebian_novice: Run your media player and add files from /mnt/win/Documents and Settings/<Username>/My Documents/My Music
06:18.12x0563511is there any way i can get vnc4server to use my existing (local) screen, :0, instead of creating a new one?
06:18.19MrCowGod15alphasony: /etc/debianversion: no such file or dir
06:18.30cafuegoDaemel1: I wasn't aware blue-ray or hddvd discs would work in legacy players/drives.
06:18.36MrCowGod15oh..
06:18.41citralMrCowGod15: cat /etc/deb<TAB>
06:18.52MrCowGod15alphasony: 3.1
06:18.57alphasonyah, is that testing?
06:19.09debian_novicecafuego: thanks
06:19.11jm_x0563511: you need x0rfb server
06:19.15bigheadhey, how can I get system info (like processor type, clock speed etc) in debian? (if there is a gnome program, that would be ok too)
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06:19.34MrCowGod15is it testing?
06:19.44bob2bighead: /cat /proc/cpuinfo
06:19.45citralMrCowGod15: what doesn't work exactly, define your problem
06:19.46cafuegobighead: cat /proc/cpuinfo
06:19.49alphasonytesting/unstable
06:20.00alphasonyis what I see when I run that on mine
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06:20.20x0563511jm_: what is that? all i have is vnc4server, x0vncserver
06:20.58bigheadbob2, cafuego: thanks
06:20.59debian_novicecafuego: can you please tell me a name of a book or reference which I can use to learn debian linux?
06:21.21jm_x0563511: apt-cache search x0rfb
06:21.44dondelelcaro!tell debian_novice about debian reference
06:21.45cafuegodebian_novice: The debian website (www.debian.org) has extensive docs. As for books, most O'Reilly books are good. I assume they also have debian ones.
06:21.57x0563511rfb - VNC Server for X11 - exports current display
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06:22.00x0563511is that it?
06:22.03cafuegoooh!
06:22.05dnb|asda11sd|as22dasd|as33as|asd44adas|asd55|asda66|afb77|jmy88|bgfb99|bdb1010|  <- in here how can i cut part 9 ?
06:22.07dondelelcarocafuego: yeah, unfortunatly there isn't a good dead tree Debian book yet...
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06:22.21dondelelcarodnb: with the magic of cut.
06:22.22peterSdnb: cut -f9 -d'|'  ?
06:22.35alphasonyMrCowGod15: he asked you a question
06:22.36x0563511jm_: does it support tightvnc stuff?
06:23.02dondelelcarocafuego: although, that should change in the near future (3-4 months)
06:23.18jm_x0563511: tightvnc client can handle it fine
06:23.33dnbpeterS,  can we do it with perl style ?
06:23.38dnbi'll use in php script
06:23.39x0563511jm_: thanks!
06:23.45MrCowGod15citral: when i run any apt-get install, update, etc. it tells me: kpfd needs to be reinstalled, but it can't find an archive for it
06:23.58cafuegodondelelcaro: Your manuscript currently being edited?
06:24.06x0563511jm_: now i need to figure out how to launch it whenever someone logs in through KDM (no matter the WM used)
06:24.14peterSdnb: in perl I'd use "split ('|', $string)" and then pick out the 9th element of the array
06:24.15citralMrCowGod15: apt-get -f install
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06:24.23cafuegodnb: awk -F'|' '{print $9}'
06:24.23peterSdnb: do the equivalent in php, I guess
06:24.36dondelelcarocafuego: no, it's not mine.
06:24.47citral07:23, now I must sleep.
06:24.48cafuegodnb: $array - split("|", $string); echo $array[9];
06:24.50MrCowGod15citral: same error
06:24.51cafuegos/-/=/
06:24.55x0563511jm_: preferably, i would like to be able to log in through KDM, through vnc. is that possible?
06:25.02alphasonyMrCowGod15: shit he left
06:25.11MrCowGod15arr
06:25.15dnbthanks..
06:25.19alphasonyhmm
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06:25.47alphasonyokay...well let me think here...
06:25.56MrCowGod15i can reinstall everything
06:26.00MrCowGod15it's really not a problem
06:26.03dondelelcaroMrCowGod15: could you paste the exact set of errors that you are getting to #flood?
06:26.06alphasonyapt has choked on me before, but yeah, i usually just reinstall everything
06:26.12dondelelcaroMrCowGod15: or use the paster bot?
06:26.15dondelelcaro!paster
06:26.16dpkgInstead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away.
06:26.16alphasonyit sucks when you've been using the machine
06:26.33alphasonydondelelcaro: he can't exactly because he's not ircing from his debian box
06:26.41alphasonydondelelcaro: he can't install an irc client because apt is broken
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06:26.58alphasonyhm
06:27.00davedoomsay guys.  I have sarge and pinned a few packages, but it looks like it has hooked up x.org and it has this Xprint thingy and I cannot remove it.
06:27.02dondelelcaroalphasony: that's fine. You can ouput to a file, or ssh, or whatever is actually working.
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06:27.08jm_x0563511: log in through KDM?
06:27.11davedoomit want to remove x-window-system-core.
06:27.15lokehow do you add a new window in bx?
06:27.16alphasonydondelelcaro: he doesn't have ssh installed either
06:27.18davedoomI don't have a printer.
06:27.20budluvacan anyone suggest to me the "best" msn clone that works with debian?
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06:27.31catbudluva: amsn
06:27.37alphasonydondelelcaro: hmmm
06:27.37cafuegodavedoom: x.org isn't in Debian. What are you running?
06:27.41dondelelcaroalphasony: well, you've got floppies, or something... otherwise it's almost impossible for any of us to help.
06:27.44davedoomsarge
06:27.48x0563511yes, when the system boots up, and it shows the graphical login prompt. can x0rfbserver connect to that display before anyone logs in?
06:27.51alphasonyMrCowGod15: are you following this?
06:27.55davedoomthe package is called....
06:27.56MrCowGod15yea
06:27.58cafuegodavedoom: No, x.org isn't in Sarge.
06:28.01alphasonyMrCowGod15: here's what i want you to do
06:28.21davedoomxprt-xprintorg 0.1.0.alpha1-4 Xprint - the X11 print system from xprint.or
06:28.29alphasonyMrCowGod15: apt-get install sshd > output
06:28.35davedoomI want it to go away.
06:28.38cafuegodavedoom: yes, xprint.org. Not x.org.
06:28.51davedoomhow can I get rid of it?
06:28.54cafuegodavedoom: apt-get remove xprt-xprintorg
06:29.00davedoomthat will remove x.
06:29.03alphasonyMrCowGod15: look in the file and tell me what you see
06:29.13cafuegodavedoom: Will it?
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06:29.37dondelelcaroalphasony: it's called ssh
06:29.38MrCowGod15alphasony: exact same error
06:29.39davedoomlike so:
06:29.43MrCowGod15unless i'm typing it wrong
06:29.44davedoommarx:~#  apt-get remove xprt-xprintorg
06:29.44davedoomReading Package Lists... Done
06:29.44davedoomBuilding Dependency Tree... Done
06:29.44davedoomThe following packages will be REMOVED:
06:29.44davedoom<PROTECTED>
06:29.44cafuegox-window-system-core is a meta package, it doens't contain anything.
06:29.44davedoom0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
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06:30.02cafuegodavedoom: Yes. Just let it.
06:30.04alphasonyMrCowGod15: that's the point
06:30.07davedoomsorry.  paste too much.
06:30.11alphasonyMrCowGod15: I want to have the error in a file
06:30.16davedoomlet it remove X?
06:30.28MrCowGod15alphasony: ok
06:30.29alphasonyMrCowGod15: you're going to copy this file to your thumbdrive and then copy that to your mac
06:30.30dondelelcarodavedoom: x-window-system isn't X. X is in xserver-xfree86
06:30.48alphasonyMrCowGod15: and then paste it into this channel
06:30.52davedoomwill that suck away xdm?
06:30.56davedoomsorry.
06:30.58dondelelcarodavedoom: xdm is xdm.
06:31.03davedoomyes.
06:31.09cafuegodavedoom: No, since it didn't say it would remove xdm.
06:31.11bbhillWell! Thanks Guerin and Phated.. My box is now broken and no one is here to explain to me how to fix it. *sighs, and goes back to idling*
06:31.13alphasonyMrCowGod15: you remember how to copy?
06:31.15dondelelcarodavedoom: all it's removing is a meta package called x-window-system. That's it.
06:31.26dondelelcarobbhill: what exactly is the problem?
06:31.35dondelelcarodavedoom: apt-cache show x-window-system; if you're lost.
06:31.36MrCowGod15alphasony: not exactly
06:31.48davedoomlooks like it worked!
06:31.50MrCowGod15alphasony: which file are you sending?
06:31.55davedoomthanks!
06:32.13alphasonyMrCowGod15: is there a file in your current working directory called "output"?
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06:32.22mwilsonIs there some reason people can't just DO it, see what it would remove, and then say NO?
06:32.34x0563511wow - x0rfbserver is horribly slow and ugly. vnc4server was awsome, but it needed a new display.
06:32.51mwilsonThat seems to be beyond most people.
06:33.33MrCowGod15alphasony: it's saying there's no such file or directory
06:33.39alphasonyMrCowGod15: MrCowGod15 okay, you know what, i'm coming over there
06:34.04alphasonyMrCowGod15: okay, actually, i'm not
06:34.05MrCowGod15alphasony: sure, if you need to
06:34.17alphasonyMrCowGod15: the truck doesn't have insurance
06:34.23MrCowGod15alphasony: ah
06:34.26alphasonyMrCowGod15: and if i get pulled over it's the suck
06:34.37MrCowGod15alphasony: yea, that would suck
06:34.39alphasonyMrCowGod15: i can't reinsure it until i get it signed over to me
06:34.59x0563511jm_: is there another server that does that? it runs a lot worse than vnc4server does, but for no reason (that was just as graphical)
06:34.59dondelelcaroheh. well, if you've got a digital camera or something, that can work too.
06:35.03MrCowGod15alphasony: that blows
06:35.13MrCowGod15alphasony: i can pick you up if necessary
06:35.17dondelelcaroor worst comes to worst, you can just type everything in.
06:35.23MrCowGod15since i have insurance on my car
06:36.49alphasonyMrCowGod15: hm
06:36.50alphasonyokay
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06:37.24MrCowGod15ok, i'll be over in a few
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06:38.22cat!info ayuda
06:38.24alphasonylol
06:38.25alphasonyhe quits
06:38.25dpkgayuda: (Help for spanish-speakers), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 204 kB
06:38.38alphasonyrather than bbls
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06:44.42codyb81apt tell me about 9600
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06:44.48codyb81apt tell me about radeon
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06:46.33codyb81well fucking great... i can't even get 2D support for my video card!
06:46.44jm_x0563511: the x0rfb server?
06:47.17x0563511jm_: yes, it runs horrible
06:48.20catdamn i want to read some docs,
06:48.22catbut nothing to raed
06:48.25cat*read
06:48.36x0563511codyb81: radeaon has support. ATI has drivers.
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06:48.50sesscan someone tell me the difference between testing and unstable?
06:48.59x0563511codyb81: i have an nvidia myself, but ATI does have OS drivers available
06:49.16sessIm busting ass tyring to install the nvidia drivers
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06:50.14valdyn!nvidia
06:50.15dpkgnvidia is probably To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know.  http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html  .  "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..."  - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists
06:50.58x0563511nvidia is probably To? that makes sense
06:51.28dondelelcarocat: there is always documentation to read...
06:51.41x0563511!ati
06:51.42dpkgAsk me about <ati drivers>.  Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release  The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
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06:51.48x0563511!ati drivers
06:51.49dpkgdebs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed)  Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices).  ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1.  Ask me about 'mobility u1'.
06:51.53dondelelcarocat: and when there's not, there's documentation to write.
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06:52.23x0563511!irritate
06:52.30catthats what im gonna do, right now (:
06:52.34x0563511!irritate bazan
06:52.35dpkgbazan: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd lol
06:52.38catat was looking at a book that i bough,
06:52.45x0563511lol
06:52.47dondelelcarox0563511: can you stop molesting dpkg, please?
06:52.51x0563511sry
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06:53.31jm_x0563511: well I never tried it, I use it on Windows only
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06:55.15davedoomze?
06:55.59davedoomI think thats what we need more genders in english.  we should make it just like french.
06:56.00sessI think I screwed up my apt list, when I do an apt-get update, I get errors dynamic mmap ran out of room
06:56.11davedoomin fact lets just speak french.
06:56.14sessproblem with mergelist
06:56.31sesspackage list couldn't be parsed or opened
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06:56.58sesshow can I remake my apt-package list
06:56.58njs`well, it's a typo for zie, actually, see http://www.aetherlumina.com/gnp/faq.html , but this is completely irrelevant to the point at hand...
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06:57.06riturajHello everybody
06:57.11riturajhows u
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06:57.15rituraji ama debian user
06:57.19njs`since apt is ignoring me, can anyone else tell me how to get a package that's in the pending queue?
06:57.30rituraj<PROTECTED>
06:57.33davedoomyou mean like in testing?
06:57.40rituraji have a new PC amd64(2800+) +asus K8S mx board + one SATA drive
06:57.51rituraji am using Ubuntu...which has debian installer
06:57.59riturajwhen i reach the partition drive stage
06:58.07rituraj<PROTECTED>
06:58.15riturajnow as i have only 1 drive i cannot create RAID
06:58.24riturajwhen i select manual partition
06:58.26x0563511haha
06:58.32riturajit just brings that option back
06:58.37x0563511just figured something interesting out
06:58.37bloom!ubuntu
06:58.38dpkgrumour has it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu
06:58.40riturajalso ATL+f2 gives me shell and #fdisk /dev/hd(a-d) does not find any drive
06:58.59riturajwell i tried Debian too
06:59.01x0563511anyone want to see dpkg do something different (no, im not doing anything hackish)
06:59.08rituraji also selected "expert" option
06:59.17riturajand found there are only ATA IDE drivers for installer
06:59.26riturajdoes Debian new installer has SATA drivers?
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06:59.38TheStarHow should I add/remove services in debian?
06:59.43TheStarwoody, that is.
07:00.14GuerinTheStar: update-rc.d; rcconf; sysvconfig; sysv-rc-conf
07:00.14sepTheStar either remove them with apt-get remove package, or disable with update-rc.d
07:00.28bloomrituraj: I think it does.
07:00.31TheStarDoes woody have update-rc.d?
07:00.34johnif I have chkrootkit run everynight.. where would the output file be at? so I can check results
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07:00.52riturajand if it has Sata drivers..can i download a full CD set for AMD64 ....not netinst
07:00.54johnI'm used to setting up my own cronjob for it, to a output .txt file in my /home/john directory
07:00.58zignigjohn: a cron job will mail root any output.
07:01.04johnokay
07:01.07bloom!amd64
07:01.07dpkgi heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html  See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1)
07:01.07GuerinTheStar: yeah ... I don't think it has the others, though, sorry.
07:01.22x0563511!chkrootkit
07:01.22dpkgchkrootkit is known to generate false positives on recent (2.4.24 and 2.6.*) kernels - it will complain about a few "processes hidden from the ps command".
07:01.46riturajdpkg: thanks....i AM in #debian-amd64 everyone is silent
07:01.46dpkgrituraj: bitte
07:01.54x0563511hey, i just figured out how to get dpkg to PM someone an !irritate message without anyone seeing who sent it
07:01.57seprituraj: the sarge installer found my sata drives easily,
07:02.20bloomrituraj: I did that more for the sake of the URLs contained in it, which I don't quite know
07:02.44x0563511!debhelper
07:02.45dpkgrumour has it, debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page.
07:02.47johnx0563511: How can I disable chkrootkit from running daily by itself?
07:02.50bloomrituraj: so you should check out the URLs. at least one will be about installation
07:03.02x0563511john i have _no_ idea whatsoever
07:03.12riturajwell thanks :) for the URL i will try
07:03.16riturajlong live debian
07:03.17x0563511thats one of the areas i havent learned anyhting in yet
07:03.29bloomrituraj: long live debian
07:03.37x0563511rituraj, did dpkg just pm you?
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07:04.07riturajno
07:04.38x0563511hmm, it works when i do it. try typing "/msg debhelper !irritate rituraj" - it will pm you if you do it to yourself
07:05.12x0563511hmm
07:05.13bloomx0563511: when you did that to rituraj, did you see the response?
07:06.06rituraji do not see any PM
07:06.07bloomx0563511: if I /msg dpkg !irritate anybody, he responds to me the same way he would in the channel. so you can test responses that you might want to use on the channel
07:06.24x0563511what picks up the !irritate command?
07:06.44bloomx0563511: more correclty it's /msg dpkg irritate somebody
07:07.06x0563511it works!
07:07.06bloomx0563511: dpkg listens on the channel for lines starting in ! or dpkg: and he responds on the channel
07:07.12x0563511rituraj, watch for a pm
07:07.35bloomx0563511: if you private message dpkg, then you don't use the !, and he will respond to you in your window
07:07.39x0563511er, it sent it to me, in his name
07:07.55rituraj:) dont have pm
07:08.11bloomx0563511: the only way to make dpkg talk to someone else is to use the tell command
07:08.15bloom!tell x0563511 about tell
07:08.49x0563511interesting bot
07:08.56bloomI haven't seen tell used in a while around here though.
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07:09.31x0563511ah well, better stop screwing with the bots before an op gets mad
07:09.44bloomdpkg: you're so cute
07:10.29x0563511dpkg: you're so ugly
07:10.30dpkgx0563511: I give up, what is it?
07:10.34x0563511lol
07:10.47x0563511dpkg: about you
07:10.47dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, about you is i'm a bot!
07:10.58x0563511dpkg: crash
07:10.58dpkgif you have apps that just can't help but keep shooting themselves in the head, and causing you to lose unsaved data, have a look through /proc/kcore and you might be able to salvage some of the lost data: 'cat /proc/kcore | strings > kcore-file' then 'less kcore-file' works great with netscape that always likes to crash in the middle of typing in forms submissions text boxes.
07:11.09cappicardcrap... tftpd is giving me "cannot set groups for user nobody" when attempting to upload a file...
07:11.19cappicardanyone setup tftpd before?
07:11.28x0563511cappicard, set the files group to something other than nobody?
07:11.36x0563511not sure, never tftpd before
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07:12.48x0563511im bored. and i have no idea why i logged into KDE when i have fluxbox.
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07:14.51x0563511!irritate everyone
07:14.52dpkgeveryone: HELP ME!!! who uses cable !!!1
07:14.59jacknife^Hi! I would like to know what a pentium IV is..  [alpha] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc]
07:15.15toresbejacknife^: *giggle* :)
07:15.19zignigjacknife^: i386
07:15.19busboyhello, anyone similar with robotic tape library backup?
07:15.20toresbejacknife^: i386 :)
07:15.30jacknife^it's not i586
07:15.32x0563511!irritate debhelper
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07:15.32dpkgdebhelper: wenas how does I run teh quake3 lol
07:15.36jacknife^? or something higher
07:15.45x0563511!irritate dpkg
07:15.46dpkgdpkg: wenas who uses kde ???/
07:15.54toresbejacknife^: Well, i386 refers to the entire 32-bit Intel platform
07:16.07jacknife^but i536 exists no ?
07:16.12x0563511!tell jacknife^ about i386
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07:16.28x0563511!tell jacknife^ about i586
07:16.28jacknife^cool, tanxs
07:16.47toresbejacknife^: no ormpleb :)
07:17.06jacknife^dpkg said: If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. <-- lol
07:17.07dpkgYou are moron #11, jacknife^
07:17.30x0563511LOL
07:17.30jacknife^dpkg; if I do, you do mister robot
07:17.31dpkgjacknife^: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
07:17.38x0563511omg
07:17.50jacknife^hi dpkg
07:18.07x0563511dpkg: you are so cute
07:18.07dpkgx0563511: what are you talking about?
07:18.10x0563511lol
07:18.14x0563511!irritate jacknife^
07:18.15dpkgjacknife^: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ
07:18.35jacknife^!irritate x0563511
07:18.35dpkgx0563511: wenas who uses cable lol
07:18.43x0563511!irritate the world
07:18.44dpkgthe world: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my libranet werkz lol
07:18.59jacknife^who made this bot ?
07:19.01streuner_play in #debian-bots
07:19.03toresbex0563511: stop playing with the bot
07:19.06jm_can you please stop with this shit?
07:19.18Lord-Cereburusa bit excessive if you ask me.
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07:19.30Lord-Cereburusonce would suffice
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07:22.12x0563511all they need is a monty-python spewing bot
07:23.09zignigsplitter!
07:24.38x0563511what happened? everyone was talkative about 2 hours ago
07:25.12toresbex0563511: Seasons change - mad things rearrange - but it all stays the same - like the love doctor strange
07:25.20ChrysalisManybody have a gl.h on their sarge that isn't a dangling symlink
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07:32.23kisshihow to install network printer with CUPS? Thanks
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07:33.02toresbeIt's one megabit, many megabits, right?
07:33.19PhatedYeah...
07:33.24Guerintoresbe: megabitten
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07:33.31PhatedHeh.
07:33.36toresbeGuerin: Haha :) Megabii? :D
07:33.38PhatedMegabii?
07:33.42PhatedHaha, jinx.
07:34.58lokeyey hive fives
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07:35.15toresbethis newspaper wrote "upload speeds range up to one megabits"
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07:36.42PhatedHeh.
07:37.08peterSmaybe they meant 1.0001 megabits
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07:37.10jeebesIf i wanna reconfigure my kernel 2.6.8 where can I get a .config file to start with, can I generate one from my current setup?
07:37.12Phated1mpbs... Is what... 0.125mBps... 125kBps... It's decent.
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07:37.17peterSthen the plural is appropriate
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07:37.30scarynetworkguyHeh.
07:37.32PhatedpeterS: But then they can't say "one", can they.
07:37.41peterSno, they can't
07:37.50tarzeauis zsh -x the same like bash -x ?
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07:38.32toresbeI mailed him - here's the reply
07:38.49PhatedMailed who?
07:38.57toresbethe reporter
07:38.58jeebeswhen I apt-get install the source is it supposed to have a .config file in it?
07:39.00peterStarzeau: interesting that the manpage doesn't say
07:39.08toresbe"Transfer speeds are measured in megabits per second. Therefore it is correct to say one megabits."
07:39.17PhatedBULLSHIT
07:39.36PhatedYou know why they're measured in megabits per second?
07:39.42peterStoresbe: tell him that highway speeds are measured in kilometers per hour.  thus, you can travel at one kilometers per hour.
07:39.48PhatedBecause other places have better connections and actually NEED the plural.
07:40.09jeebesCan anyone point me in the right direction on reconfiguring the kernel?
07:40.21tarzeaupeterS: i didn't understand it
07:40.25Phatedcd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.x.x/ ; make menuconfig
07:40.44Guerintoresbe: it took me one hour to travel one kilometres
07:40.44peterStarzeau: I don't understand it either.  that's my point.  the manpage is not at all clear
07:40.51toresbepeterS: That's the thing - Norwegian doesn't have this separation - we travel at ten kilometer
07:40.51jeebesI need a .config file to do that
07:41.00tarzeaupeterS: hm. i take it you don't use zsh
07:41.00peterStoresbe: ahh
07:41.15peterStarzeau: no, I don't.  but even if I did, the -x option is not something you use every day
07:41.29jeebesI tried all that with some crappy sample .config I messed with and it wouldn't make
07:41.31tarzeaudoes perl have something like $SHELL -x ?
07:41.38toresbeI just realized that if it were a Norwegian term then it would be correct
07:41.45tarzeaupeterS: true. but it's good to have it ready when you need it
07:41.55jeebesDo you have to configure the entire thing from scratch?
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07:42.01peterStarzeau: there is perldb, the debugger.  I think it can do something like the sh -x thing
07:42.13peterSjeebes: your current kernel config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r)
07:42.19jeebesthank you
07:42.27tarzeaupeterS: i don't want to learn perl. it would've been nice if it just allowed -x like $SHELL
07:42.31jm_perl debugger is more like gdb, but it will help you look at variables's values etc.
07:43.37peterStarzeau: "man perlrun", search for "sh -x"
07:43.49peterStarzeau: it explains how to do the equivalent with the perl debug thing.  long and cumbersome, but possible.
07:43.55jeebesso I can take the one from /boot, and rename it to .config and put it in the kernel source dir and then make menuconfig
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07:44.12tarzeaupeterS: thank you, exactly that simple how i love it
07:44.26tarzeaui wish debian wouldn't have perl in base
07:44.39Phated'cos it's buggeh?
07:44.44ChrysalisMwhats the -x for in bash
07:44.50tarzeauChrysalisM: man bash
07:45.04peterSwell, by not having perl in base, perl programs wouldn't be allowed as maintainer scripts and installer scripts, without a lot of trouble
07:45.05ChrysalisMwhatever
07:45.17peterSChrysalisM: it prints each line of your script as it executes it
07:45.19PhatedEr... "whatever"? It's the right answer. :/
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07:45.24drago-hi
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07:45.43drago-whet i need to install
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07:47.30drago-whet i need to install
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07:54.03bytecolorwhere could I get someone to convert a c shell script to a bash script?
07:54.07bytecolorit's only a couple pages
07:54.20peterS"moment of silence" / what a cheesy concept, that / best resume talking
07:54.21peterS(this haiku commemorates several minutes of silence in #debian)
07:54.33busboyhello, anyone familar with samba?
07:54.52bytecolorI know the samba docs are fscking HUGE
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07:55.26peterSbytecolor: post it somewhere (/msg dpkg paster, if you don't have a better place) and I'll take a look.  if it's simple enough I'll just go ahead and convert it
07:56.04bytecolorpeters, ok, gimme a sec
07:56.06busboyany ideas how i can use smbtar to do a full and incremental different backup of xp machines on to tape?
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07:58.42bytecolorit stripped the leading whitespace but -> http://sourcepost.sytes.net/sourcepost/sourceview.aspx?source_id=20306
07:58.51jeebesso I did make menuconfig, configged things, and am running make, it it completes successfully do I just need to reboot, grub already has an entry for the kernel since I Installed it using apt-get
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07:59.11jeebesdo I need to change anything else
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08:00.25bytecolorpeterS, all paths are correct in the script
08:00.45peterSbytecolor: yeah, I pulled it down
08:01.11karstenIn Apache 1.3.x, any way to do either do a redirect for given incoming IPs, or deny htauth to given incoming IPs?  Preferably specifying IP by CIDR format.
08:01.19bytecolorpeterS, I havent used that paste bot, but I might start
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08:02.02peterStercerob11: what do you want?
08:02.35tercerob11talk with you
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08:03.42paster"bytecolor" at 67.35.186.150 pasted "a test to see how things work" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/189
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08:04.09bytecolorcool
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08:04.37tercerob11what are you? guy o woman?
08:04.39bytecolorme like, it keeps the whitespace, which would come in handy for python
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08:05.21flickerhi guys
08:05.31bytecolorthat's just part of the original script, so ignore that last paste
08:07.30Guerintercerob11: peterS is an ircbot.
08:07.37Guerinhe's way better than you think, too.
08:07.38catcan someone help me with sc_trans
08:07.45bytecolorheh
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08:09.59catcan someone help me with sc_trans
08:10.10flickerwhat is sc_trans?
08:10.44Guerincat: you need to repeat much more often.
08:10.51Guerincat: at least twice a minute
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08:12.07codyb81apt tell me about grub xp
08:12.10catforget it
08:12.12codyb81apt tell me about grub
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08:12.50Manoj`we are fairly quiet at the moment
08:13.50peterSManoj`: we went several minutes with no talking, earlier here.  that's not so common in #debian
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08:14.05Manoj`indeed
08:14.14Manoj`this would almost be a record
08:14.48jm_not quite, it was much longer yesterday
08:14.52peterSManoj`: well, a year ago I used to see the occasional 15-minute lull at the right time of night.  more recently this seems to be getting rarer
08:15.54Manoj`not quite so late in .au yet -- and europe should be waking up soon
08:15.56peterSthe right time of night being somewhere around 6:00-7:00 UTC
08:16.07sephay ! i am up already!
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08:17.12Manoj`I just told some one in a private msg that I am a 3 year old indian girl
08:17.28Manoj`That ought to hold them for a bit
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08:17.47booyahola
08:17.47sean_mickenhmm
08:18.00sean_mickendoes anyone know what the "Jan 14 00:34:19 chromium -- MARK --" log means in messages?
08:18.02peterSManoj`: just over one order of magnitude off
08:18.15peterSsean_micken: -- MARK -- just means "yes, syslog and the kernel are still alive"
08:18.24sean_mickenpeterS: k
08:18.32peterSsean_micken: it's printed every 20 minutes by default, so that if your kernel crashes, you'll know approximately when it happened
08:18.33Manoj`peterS: I sipped up. I usually say I am from alaska
08:18.42Manoj`slipped, even
08:18.45Guerinheh
08:18.53GuerinAlaskan Indian
08:19.01Manoj`right.
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08:19.09codyb81how do i add XP back to my grub.lst
08:19.12Manoj`Guerin: 3 year old _female_ alsakan indian
08:19.16GuerinI actually knew a kashmiri guy who lived in alaska for ages
08:19.22GuerinManoj`: with a computer!
08:19.27peterSGuerin: heh, a real alaskan indian
08:19.32GuerinpeterS: yeah.
08:19.47Manoj`title           Windows XP
08:19.48Manoj`rootnoverify    (hd0,1)
08:19.48Manoj`makeactive
08:19.48Manoj`chainloader     +1
08:19.48Manoj`boot
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08:19.58codyb81i've added that 3x
08:20.06codyb81and i run update-grub and it erases it
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08:20.09GuerinHe was approached one day by some guy smuggline rifles out of the then-USSR, and offered a case of 50 AK47s for US$200
08:20.47Manoj`oh, well.
08:20.47Guerin"for the family back home"
08:20.47bytecolorupdate-grub?
08:20.47codyb81yeah, update-grub
08:20.48bytecoloris grub like lilo now?
08:20.51codyb81oh
08:20.52codyb81maybe not.
08:20.56Mage_grub > lilo
08:20.58codyb81does it read the grub.lst?
08:21.02codyb81directly on boot?
08:21.05bytecoloryes
08:21.11Guerincodyb81: menu.lst, itym
08:21.13peterScodyb81: make sure that stanza is *outside* the "DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" markers
08:21.16bytecolorjust change it and reboot
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08:21.29Manoj`did any of my posting show up before I got booted off for flooding?
08:21.36peterSManoj`: yes
08:21.38bytecolorand if you dont have a grub boot floppy, well...
08:21.49Manoj`ok. that is the bottom of my menu.lst
08:21.57Manoj`and it lets me boot XP off this laptop
08:22.14GuerinManoj`: I don't see why you don't just boot it off altogether :)
08:22.22Manoj`Guerin: work
08:22.26peterSGuerin: that would require fdisk, rather than grub
08:22.28codyb81hda1 is my xp, sould rootnoverify (hd0,0) be what i use insted?
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08:22.41Guerinah yeah
08:22.44codyb81ok
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08:22.46codyb81just making sure
08:22.47codyb81thax
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08:22.55GuerinManoj`: your day job isn't with debian?
08:22.57Manoj`Guerin: sometimes I get fed documents that need to be sent back in the same format, and Ooo does not quite preserve formatting
08:23.05Manoj`Guerin: I wish
08:23.12bytecoloryou can actually get into a grub command line while booting, and use tab-complete to fish around your drives
08:23.15zakamehehe
08:23.29GuerinManoj`: so you have two full-time jobs, then? Or three...?
08:23.47Manoj`Guerin: my day job (well, my company is kinda in between contracts now, so god know how long I have this) is doign research kinda stuff for DARPA
08:24.10booyaManoj`: sounds cool
08:24.21zakameManoj`: wow
08:24.28Manoj`booya: as long as we land a next contract, yeah ;-)
08:24.32Guerinheh
08:24.33bytecolorpeterS, how's that script comming?
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08:24.55peterSbytecolor: oh, it was a trivial conversion.  forgot to let you know.
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08:25.00bytecolorheh
08:25.17bofferhow can I delete all line breaks in a document except where it occurs twice in a row (ie writing all text as one line, but leaving paragraphs intact)
08:25.36zakameboffer: perl
08:25.49Manoj`in perl, slurp in paragraph mode, and delete all new lines.
08:26.06peterSbytecolor: DCC incoming
08:26.13DerJamsterOr use something else and turn the two line breaks into something else (##?), then turn single linebreaks into a space and turns ## into two linebreaks.
08:26.21DerJamsterer, turn
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08:27.50ahewittI keep getting this error when trying to compile mplayer "Error: The GUI requires GTK devel packages (which were not found)." I have tried installing libgtk2.0-dev but that didn't help and bob2 told me to install gnome-core-devel and build-essential but I am still getting the same error...does anyone know of any other package that I might be missing?
08:27.52peterSperl -pe 'print "\n" if (/^$/); chomp; s/$/ /;'
08:27.59Manoj`perl -e '$/=""; while (<>){ s/\n//ms; print;}'
08:28.02zakameahewitt: get libgtk1.2-dev
08:28.15zakameperl short script attack
08:28.19ahewittzakame: even if I am running gnome2.8 ?
08:28.51zakameahewitt: sure, that won't strike you down. gnome uses libgtk2.0, altogether different
08:28.52Manoj`or perl -pe '$/=""; while (<>){ s/\n//ms;}'
08:29.00Manoj`untested
08:29.03DerJamsterI admit those scripts are shorter than I thought :)
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08:29.13peterSManoj`: the -p and the while (<>) are redundant (:
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08:29.47ahewittzakame: cheers...I had assumed (wrongly) that it would downgrade my gnome install or something..I should have checked
08:29.52Manoj`peterS: it is late here
08:30.05zakameahewitt: dselect is your friend :D
08:30.13Manoj`peterS: and i am building policycoreutils as I speak
08:30.14Herodeshi all
08:30.24ahewittzakame: yuck...aptitude is my friend :P
08:30.29peterSManoj`: for selinux?
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08:31.18Manoj`peterS: yeah
08:31.22zakameahewitt: everybody's got their own poison...
08:31.42Herodeshow can i set kdm by default instead of gdm?
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08:32.01s-tonedwhat's wrong with that: image as attachment in kmail -> open with -> xterm -e convert -rotate 180 /tmp/rotfile.png ?
08:32.08peterSHerodes: simple way: uninstall gdm, install kdm.  there's rarely a need to have something like gdm installed if you aren't going to be actually using it
08:32.20zakameHerodes: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm
08:32.37s-tonedan xterm pops up, but no file is created
08:32.39Herodes-plow?
08:33.24zakameHerodes: --priority=low
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08:33.57Herodesso...if a unistall gdm, how does the system know that have to load kdm?
08:34.17peterSHerodes: because you installed kdm and configured it
08:34.26zakameHerodes: it just knows, silly :D
08:34.33Manoj`I think you can tell gdm to load kde
08:34.39Manoj`it is somewhere in the configuration
08:34.45oskieanyone know a good program for implementing a simple web cam?
08:34.52s-tonedthe xterm is only briefly visable, so I can't see any errors
08:34.53oskiewith animated jpeg or something
08:34.55Manoj`you can even tell gdm to load xsession and not stat a wondow manager
08:35.03zakame/etc/X11/default-display-manager ;p
08:35.09cathow can i know by which program my sound card is being used?
08:35.10jm_s-toned: it probably means you pass wrong filename
08:35.13Manoj`(don't ask me how, this is all from the dim mists of memory)
08:35.19Herodeszakame, let m,e see
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08:35.33zakameManoj`: yeah, it's in the session menu
08:35.42jm_Manoj`: in Woody one would just select Debian session in GDM menus, not sure about newer releases
08:35.43peterScat: try 'lsof /dev/dsp'
08:35.59zakamejm_: about the same.
08:36.23catits not giving me nothing peterS
08:36.35s-tonedjm_: oh, might be, there is no filename at all, should be something like %s, I think
08:36.38zakameHerodes: your prob is wonderfully documented in debian-reference.
08:36.39peterScat: then try 'lsof /dev/mixer'
08:36.40Herodeszakame, /user/bin/kdm instead (gdm)
08:36.55Herodeszakame, it is ok
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08:37.03catnothing either peterS
08:37.05zakameHerodes: s/ser/sr/
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08:37.17Herodesi will unistall gdm
08:37.24peterScat: then I don't know what is using your sound driver.  are you using ALSA, or OSS?
08:37.37catim just using oss
08:37.41jm_s-toned: yes, makes more sense
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08:38.00DerJamsterlsof /dev/dsp0?
08:38.06s-tonedjm_: you were right, it is %u, it works now
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08:38.12DerJamsterah, nevermind
08:38.13zakame!show alsa-source
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08:38.35peterSzakame: I think you meant "/msg dpkg info alsa-source"
08:38.43DerJamstercat: What is actually the problem?
08:38.51zakamepeterS: yep.
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08:39.15zakamepeterS: too acquainted with apt-cache
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08:39.26peterSheh
08:39.51zakamealsa 1.0.8's not packaged yet...
08:40.35johnWhat do I need to configure to make gkrellm not so big? gtk-theme-switch didn't affect gkrellm at all.
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08:40.52zakamejohn: F1?
08:41.00kreninjohn: you can change the width of it in the config
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08:41.55zakamewhy does via82xx audio have swapped L/R channels?
08:43.27jm_john: gkrellm has its own themes
08:43.48johnYeah I know that, but I switched the themes.. they're still pretty big in size lol
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08:44.00johnnot too long or nothing.. just the fonts.. i guess
08:44.08jm_ahh that's also in theme files
08:44.16kreninyou can change the fonts too
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08:44.28peterSzakame: maybe because it's up to the motherboard vendor to wire the AC97 and the DSP together properly
08:45.01chemajaaurel42: thanks for the amavisd/spamassassin/clamav woody backports, much appreciated :)
08:45.16Herodeswhere must i set kdm for set it as tcp ?
08:45.16zakamepeterS: probably... but in xp sp2 with the via vinyl stylus drivers the channels are correct...
08:45.24chemajaaurel42: (assuming you're aka. aurel32)
08:45.56peterSzakame: shrug.  report it to jaroslav, I suppose
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08:47.06catdamn my sound card is not working at all
08:47.07peterSHerodes: find out for yourself.  grep -r nolisten /etc/X11
08:47.09zakamepeterS: I shall. :D
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08:47.29catwhat can i do if my sound card is not working it was sound before good
08:47.40bytecolorthanks peterS
08:47.55peterSbytecolor: out of curiosity, what is this modeling software?
08:48.12peterScat: figure out what you changed between "before" and "now"
08:48.19bytecolorit's a modeling kernel API
08:48.27catxmms is not playing
08:48.36catis giving me an error
08:48.36bytecolorquite powerful from what docs I've read so far
08:48.44johncat: what kind of error?
08:48.48peterSbytecolor: a "kernel API" would not use TCL
08:48.53johnI had an xmms problem also, but it's resolved.
08:49.11bytecolorpeterS, TCL is used as a test harness framwork
08:49.23catcouldn't open audio please check that YOur soundcard is configured properly you have the correct output plugin selected no other program is blocking the soundcard
08:49.25bytecoloras is Qt and MFC and Java
08:49.34bytecolorit's portable too :)
08:49.41peterSI see
08:49.42johncat: Okay.. you need to install the right drivers for OSS
08:49.56johnI use ALSA for my sound, so I had to upgrade my kernel
08:49.56cathow can i do that?
08:50.01peterSbytecolor: I just saw the variables referring to STEP and IGES and had minor nightmares from a past life
08:50.07bytecolorlol
08:50.10catmy sound card was working good before but not is not working
08:50.16johnare you using kernel 2.4.27?
08:50.31cat2.4.25
08:50.45cati know is something with /etc/modules
08:50.51bytecolorpeterS, it also incorporates, ASIC Parasolid, DXF, etc
08:51.00catall i have in the /etc/modules is 3 lines ide-cd ide-detect ac97
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08:51.08peterSbytecolor: right, everyone + dog supports DXF (:
08:51.23bytecolortrue
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08:51.41jeebesis anyone here familiar with the program setcd
08:51.50jeebesavailable via apt-get
08:52.03bytecolorit's a bear to manage, 250+Mb of source
08:52.12catwhat can i do?
08:52.21catto fix the problem?
08:52.46johnWell, I know I had to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.8
08:52.50johnrebooted the system
08:52.54johnand sound worked fine.
08:52.57cati did
08:53.06catand still nothing
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08:53.19jm_jeebes: I tried it once, to tinker with CD speed, but to no avail
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08:53.39catis the freaking xmms
08:53.58johncat: type /exec -o uname -r on irc
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08:54.35cathow come my xmms is not working but mp3blaster play music fine
08:54.49Guerincat: choose a different output plugin in xmms
08:54.51DerJamstercat: Check your xmms settings
08:55.20johnIt's probably set for Alsa, which I was told is not supported by the 2.4.* kernel
08:55.20catGuerin: i did and still
08:55.33Guerincat: then choose yet another one.
08:55.46Guerincat: because if mp3blaster works, one of them will work.
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08:56.52Herodesxdm is the user default window-display manager?.
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08:57.32zakameHerodes: no
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08:57.47johnjust check what mp3blaster uses..and use the same for xmms?
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08:58.39Herodeszakame, in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers there are set displays and more
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09:00.47damien1salut ! qui me repond ?
09:01.02DelEatI've setup a proxy for apt to use some time ago.  How do I remove it again - and I have changed /etc/apt/apt.conf
09:01.05simonrvn@french
09:01.06ravenbirdFor help in french, please join #debian-fr. Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr.
09:01.30catdamn i wonder what happend with my xmms
09:01.34john@german
09:01.35ravenbirdsomebody said german was #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de
09:01.47DerJamstercat: what is your output plugin and what is your set device in it?
09:02.05catDerJamster: all the five plugins are enable
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09:02.29DerJamstercat: what is your -current- output plugin?
09:02.33DelEatnevermind, I got it
09:02.43catwhat do u mean?
09:02.56Herodeszakame, can you tell me how xdm work?. is it who load kdm=
09:03.14suidikdoes anybody have clamsmtp backported to woody ?
09:03.21simonrvnHerodes: 2 separate programs
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09:04.41simonrvnsuidik: fetch debian source, install build-deps, compile, install, be happy
09:04.51Herodesso where must i define more displays (:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp) using kdm?
09:05.18Koffais stable debian's squid vulnerable? http://www.squid-cache.org/Versions/v2/2.5/bugs/#squid-2.5.STABLE7-gopher_html_parsing
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09:05.36suidiksimonrvn: of course I can compile it manually, but I wanted .deb ..
09:05.36Herodesthis line is in ..../xdm/Xservers
09:05.44catok done =)
09:05.46catfinally
09:05.48simonrvnsuidik: re-read what i said
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09:06.07simonrvnHerodes: yes. add one
09:06.20TheStarHow do I do a page up in irssi? (Using mac os x)
09:06.23Herodessimonrvn, in xdm?
09:06.28TheStarOr rather, if I do not have a pgup key, how do I page up?
09:06.30Herodessimonrvn, i use kdm
09:06.35douglasI freshly installed debian recently and I use kde and kdevelop3 to develop. Everytime I try to run automake though it exits with status 2, on any project I create??? Why does it do that?
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09:06.48simonrvnHerodes: in whatever you use. duh.
09:06.55KoffaTheStar: in communicator it's chr+joystick up - try some combos :)
09:07.06Koffaanyone looked into that squid-vuln?
09:07.09Herodessimonrvn, it is what i am trying to ask :)
09:07.15Herodeswhere?
09:07.17TheStarKoffa: Heh :)
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09:10.44gertHow can I remove a package of which the uninstallscript gives an error?
09:11.21Kemicali always used slackware and wanted to use debian, how stable is sarge? to use as a desktop workstation ?
09:11.42peterSKemical: perfectly suitable for a desktop workstation
09:12.01TheStarKemical: Sarge is _very_ stable.
09:12.04Kemicalare there any issues I should be aware?
09:12.17TheStarKemical: Some say that Sid is also ver stable, but the issue is that it _changes_, and yes, it does also break.
09:13.02TheStarKemical: Java is marginally more difficult, as are other non-free programs, but only marginally, imho.
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09:13.28simonrvnHerodes: i believe you can confiugre either to run 2 displays
09:13.37simonrvnconfigure rather
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09:14.00Kemicalso basically I shouldn't have any problems using sarge? I will use it at work and dont want the system to "break" on me, I've used slackware for years but thought I'd give debian a try, are the office suites included in the sarge release, if so where can
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09:14.22Kemicalfind complete package list for sarge?
09:14.23TheStarKemical: I like woody, but sarge is nicer.
09:14.25simonrvnapt-get install openoffice.org
09:14.28TheStarKemical: Sid will break on you.
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09:14.41directhex|workKemical, openoffice, gnome office (abiword & gnumeric) and koffice are all present & correct
09:14.42simonrvnKemical: apt-cache search, dpkg -l. man apt man dpkg
09:14.48TheStarKemical: If the program is free, it will be in debian.
09:14.59TheStarKemical: Some 14 CD's worth...
09:15.01simonrvnif it's dfsg-free
09:15.10directhex|workTheStar, not neccessarily all. it needs someone to package it
09:15.27TheStardirecthex|work: Tsk... Your too pedantic :)
09:15.33glaureHi. My gnome seems to refuse mouse input today. Icons are not clickable or windows dragable. Does anyone know the source of this bug? (Debian unstable, fully updated)
09:15.37kruziin debian as theres no rc.local file how can i get like firewalls etc to load on boot?
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09:15.52directhex|workkruzi, man update-rc.d
09:16.00TheStarkruzi: If your using newer than woody, put the script in /etc/init.d, then refer to directhex|work
09:16.16Kemicalthnx guys
09:16.20kruziim using sarge
09:16.32kruzirefer to directhex|work ?
09:16.52TheStarWhere is subversion's server-configuration kept?  I'm having trouble figuring out where svnserve.conf should live...
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09:17.08KemicalBTW to any debian users i recomend slackware to try :) .... no response is needed to this statement :)
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09:17.17kruzithestar ?
09:17.37directhex|workKemical, i once tried to install it, it decided keyboard input modules were overrated. which put an end to that.
09:17.45DerJamsterKemical: Had Slack for +2 years ;)
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09:18.13TheStarkruzi: I want to define where my repos are, and make svn list ssh+svn://therserver/repos --> /var/lib/subversion/repos
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09:18.40simonrvnbeen running debian since i started on linux ;)
09:18.51TheStarKemical: I don't understand that question, but I tried Linuxfromscratch, with slackware's pkg system, and it was nice.
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09:20.49TheStarDerJamster: Suze is rpm, right?
09:20.57DerJamsterYeah.
09:21.26DerJamsterSlack has its Slack packet thing, and the LFS was source only..now imagine the jump from source-only to Apt :) *swoon*
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09:22.16directhex|workhttp://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=packagemanagement may prove interesting for those who want to know what a distribution uses for packages
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09:25.07guruhow do i change my timezone?
09:25.20peterSguru: tzconfig
09:25.22directhex|worktzconfig i think
09:25.43gurueverything works fine except for my local cvs server...my current time is 03:25 however in cvs it's 09:25
09:25.57catwho here have used shoutcast for linux
09:25.59guruUS/Central
09:26.05guruso it's set correctly
09:26.07TheStarguru: What's the gmt time?
09:26.18guruTheStar: no idea, how do i check?
09:26.24kruziso re update-rc.d ; all i do is create my script say called    firewall   and dump it in /etc/init.d   then run update-rc.d
09:26.25gurui'm at GMT offset -0600
09:26.26TheStarI think it's date -u
09:26.35kruziand it will add it to the startup process ?
09:26.37guruFri Jan 14 09:26:41 UTC 2005
09:26.44TheStarkruzi: See update-rd.d --help
09:26.48TheStarkruzi: Or read man page.
09:26.56TheStarguru: There ya go! :)
09:26.59guruheh
09:27.15TheStarguru: I'm trying to setup subversion here, though :)
09:27.19guruso it's storing the time in gmt instead of my local time
09:27.28kruzithestar ive looked at it
09:27.31gurui never did like subversion for some reason
09:27.32TheStarguru: I guess so, I've never used svn.
09:27.38TheStarguru: Why not?
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09:27.46gurudunno, just never really liked it
09:27.47TheStarI meant cvs in that last line!
09:27.55TheStarguru: *why*?
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09:28.07guruit just didn't "feel" right for some reason
09:28.25kruzifrom what i can understand update-rc.d script.sh defaults
09:28.27kruziwould load it
09:28.31TheStarguru: IIt's different, what'd you expect?
09:28.34TheStarkruzi: Yup.
09:28.35gurui can't explain it...the only comparison would be using windows instead of linux...just doesn't feel right
09:28.40TheStarkruzi: I think.
09:28.44kruzithestar: and then it will load at boot right?
09:28.53TheStarguru: So, windows addresses Linux's failings?
09:29.09catwho here have used shoutcast for linux
09:29.12guruTheStar: yes it does, and likewise with linux...it addresses windows' faults
09:29.20guruthe right tool for the job, i suppose
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09:29.28TheStarguru: You've got it in one.
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09:29.42TheStarguru: However, I've yet to see why cvs is better, in any case...
09:29.43gurui wouldn't mind giving subversion another try sometime though
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09:30.04TheStarguru: Although it was slower, I wonder if svn's fixed that...
09:30.21gurunot sure
09:30.25gurumost likely
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09:30.39DerJamsterDing ding.
09:30.57simonrvn@lart root ircers
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09:31.25simonrvnTheStar: try apache2+mod*_svn
09:31.27gurudoes anyone here have an nvidia card (specifically one that supports nview)?
09:31.36simonrvni got it to work though *phew*
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09:31.48TheStarsimonrvn: I want to use svnserve.
09:32.11TheStarsimonrvn: Granted, the apache2 approach does seem more clear-cut...
09:32.16gurui'm trying to get dualview set up with my card but have no freaking idea how to do it...and there is no documentation regarding it's use on linux
09:32.20gurugo figure
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09:32.31cyberriotre
09:32.33cyberriot...
09:32.35cyberriothello
09:32.48TheStarcyberriot: You took three lines to say... "hello"?
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09:33.04cyberrioti was root 2 mins ago
09:33.07guruTheStar: "hello" is very difficult to say ;)
09:33.15cyberriotand the chan took my voice...
09:33.16TheStarguru: I'll say :)
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09:33.28guruTheStar: you have an nvidia card?
09:33.32TheStarguru: Yup.
09:33.41gurudoes it have nview?
09:33.41SlayerXPgood morning hash-dweebians
09:33.43Guerincyberriot: $nick =~ s/rr/ridi/
09:33.48guruerr, nview support rather
09:33.53TheStarguru: Nah, it's the cheapest one I could find :)
09:33.57guruahh
09:33.59cyberrioti have a problem...once again.......
09:34.02cyberriot*g
09:34.04TheStarguru: To replace my TNT2 that died a few weeks ago...
09:34.18Guerintnt2s pwn
09:34.23Guerincheap and good
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09:34.31TheStarGuerin: Indeed.
09:34.31guruif you're looking for a decent card at low cost, try out a geforce fx 5700...snagged mine for $145 after tax, but you can get them for around $70 and they are *excellent* cards
09:34.45TheStarguru: That's $100 too much!
09:35.05guruthe fx 5200 is rather nice too...you can get them for around $40 or $50, maybe less depending on where you go
09:35.26TheStarI have a budget mx400, and it does exactly what I need.
09:35.28guruhalf-life 2 ran fine on my fx 5200 under cedega
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09:35.35guruthose are nice cards too
09:35.47guruheh, i have a ton of geforce 4 mx440's here
09:35.50simonrvnPST is -0800 UTC?
09:35.58guruprobabally have enough to start my own store :))
09:36.03gurusimonrvn: sounds right
09:36.14TheStarAny svn experts here?  Could someone please give me the lowdown on svn setup?
09:36.26gurucalifornia is 2 hours behind me and i'm at -0600
09:36.29simonrvnTheStar: #subversion maybe?
09:36.31TheStarI'm having trouble understanding the svn-book, it seems a tad light in this area.
09:36.32guruand ca is in PST
09:36.34simonrvnguru: ok
09:36.36TheStarsimonrvn: Dead, it seems :(
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09:37.21TheStarFor instance, I wanna know how svnserve works.
09:37.22cyberriotwhat does "missing kernel or user mode driver uhci" mean and how can i solve it?
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09:37.36TheStarConfiguration, where the configuration files live, the purpose of /etc/subversion/* files, etc, etc.
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09:38.53loc_wrkcyberriot, afaik it's a kernel module for usb
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09:39.21TheStarFor instance, the svn-book doesn't even say where svnserve.conf should live!
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09:39.53kruzianyone know where i can get sarge from to download?
09:40.12TheStarkruzi: Umm...   Try debian.org(!)
09:40.15SlayerXPkruzi: you can get it from the Informational Superhighweb
09:40.20kruzihehehe
09:40.29cyberriotloc_work: i have the same problem with hotplug....can you help??
09:40.30kruziim trying mirrors but cant find images to download
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09:40.36takatumikruzi: /msg dpkg d-i
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09:41.18TheStarkruzi: I recommend you just downlod the first CD, or even a netinst, and then just download the rest as you go.
09:41.19fpmcHello, I'm having problems with hard links.  I use emacs to edit a file that is linked somewhere else.  I keep changing it and viewing the other file on the browser.  After an hour or so, any changes to original file doesn't affect the linked file...... help
09:41.29kruzithe netinstall will give me a VERY BASIC bootable version wont it
09:41.39chealeryeah
09:41.42fpmcI thought hard links are supposed to be another placeholder for the same file...
09:41.47SlayerXPthey are
09:42.02TheStarfpmc: They *are* the same file, not merely a reference or placeholder.
09:42.21fpmcTheStar: yes that was what I was referring to..... then how come now I change one file and the other file differs?
09:42.28directhex|workkruzi, yes, same as any debian install
09:42.35TheStarfpmc: Perhpas they got delinked.
09:42.35Furbsfpmc: because it's not a hard link.
09:42.36SlayerXPfpmc: the only explanantion is that it's not a hard link
09:42.40directhex|work!tell kruzi about d-i
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09:43.04fpmcTheStar: under what circumstances will they get de-linked?
09:43.18kruziwhen is sarge gonna become stable
09:43.23kruzii thought it was ages ago
09:43.26fpmcFurbs: I use "ln target source" and it works for me for at least an hour
09:43.29kruziive been running it for quite a while
09:43.40takatumikruzi: ages ahead
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09:43.54directhex|workkruzi, when it's ready
09:43.57TheStarfpmc: I doubt your file is hardlinked.
09:44.07directhex|workkruzi, more specifically, about a month after sarge security goes online
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09:44.12fpmcTheStar: hm........... I thought "ln target source" will hard link them, am I wrong?
09:44.14TheStarfpmc: But rsync, for instance, will delink before changing the file.
09:44.16bbrazilfpmc: some other program must be mv'ing one of the links and creating a new file
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09:44.21toresbePhated: I did as I said
09:44.29Phatedtoresbe: Eh?
09:44.30TheStarfpmc: Do the two files live on the same partition?
09:44.34fpmcbbrazil: ok..... I wonder which program
09:44.36fpmcTheStar: yes
09:44.39toresbePhated: the dpkg qotds might soon be in the fortunes package :)
09:44.55Phatedtoresbe: Pah.
09:44.56TheStartoresbe: Excellent idea.
09:45.01fpmcbbrazil: but the same phenomenon occurs even after I delete the link, and redo "ln"
09:45.05directhex|work!qotd0
09:45.05dpkg<racoontje> p_each, I don't use debian often but I have used debian on fedora core 2
09:45.17PhatedHeh.
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09:45.25fpmcSo now, after it's not working, I try removing link, run "ln" again, and still the file is not hard-linked
09:45.30PhatedDefinitely worth including in the Debian packages of fortune.
09:45.31Gh0styHello
09:45.33toresbehmm, I didn't get that one
09:45.37bbrazilfpmc: whats the link count?
09:45.41PhatedMaybe fortunes-debian. :)
09:45.47fpmcbbrazil: should be 2
09:45.56bbrazilfpmc: and is it?
09:46.21fpmcbbrazil: well no ......
09:46.40bbrazilfpmc: then someone unlinked the hardlink
09:47.09fpmcbbrazil: strange...... the first file says link count is 1, the linked file says link count is 2
09:47.17bytecolorpeterS, if you are into CAD and c++, you should check OpenCASCADE out
09:47.18fpmcbbrazil: is there a way to check where the other link is?
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09:47.59bytecolorI've compiled and ran a couple of the examples and it's truely impressive for Linux as there just isnt any high end CAD for it
09:48.10bbrazilfpmc: get the inode number and find -inode (IIRC)
09:48.24cyberriotwhat are the hotplug modules called?
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09:49.09Guerinbytecolor: hrm, if you spy sanxiyn in here, ask him about it
09:49.10bbrazilah, -inum
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09:49.23peterSbytecolor: I might check it out some time.  what do you mean by "high end"?  is this thing comparable to autocad, or pro/engineer, or catia, or something in between?
09:49.30fpmcbbrazil: thanks, I found an article on that now ;)
09:49.53TheStarbytecolor: Agreed.
09:49.54Guerinbytecolor: he came across a previously proprietary/commercial cad/3d modeling suite which has just been gpl'ed, and built is from source
09:50.05Guerinbytecolor: I forget the name of it, though
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09:50.17TheStarGuerin: Cad isn't just house design or 3D.
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09:50.30TheStarGuerin: And you've gotta be joking if you think "linuxcad" is high-end.
09:51.00GuerinTheStar: I know what cad is you fucking idiot.
09:51.09GuerinTheStar: and did I mention linuxcad?
09:51.24peterSlast I heard, linuxcad was an absolute joke
09:51.34peterSbut then, that was several years ago
09:51.37TheStarGuerin: There's a good linux cad out, then?
09:51.46bytecolorno
09:51.46GuerinTheStar: read what I wrote.
09:51.59peterSTheStar: for some reason I'm thinking Pro/E supports Linux.  I could be wrong.
09:52.02TheStarGuerin: I just assumed you were referring to linuxcad.
09:52.08Gneaawww yeah
09:52.09bytecolorthere is no high end cad (pro/e, solidworks, etc) for linux
09:52.15scarynetworkguypeterS: They were just starting to port it when I quit.
09:52.18Gneaatapi cdburning in 2.6.10 is wild
09:52.32bytecolorI think pro/e was going to be ported, but I'm not sure if it ever happened
09:52.44Gneaa kernel that actually _works_ right
09:52.44GuerinTheStar: when that's clearly not a "previously proprietary/commercial cad/3d modeling suite which has just been gpl'ed"
09:52.58BartVBreally? That would be awsome! (if Pro/E was going to be ported)
09:53.02TheStarGuerin: Ok, I was wrong again.
09:53.20FurbsGnea: except sometimes :o)
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09:53.44bytecolorI grabbed BRLCAD and it seems like a glorified ray tracer
09:53.48darksmosalve
09:53.53peterSoh that's right.  scarynetworkguy used to work for PTC.  I always forget this stuff
09:54.05bytecolorreally? cool
09:54.10Guerinhttp://www.opencascade.org/ is one of the things he was talking about, iirc
09:54.12darksmoHi all
09:54.13scarynetworkguypeterS: Heh.
09:54.33Guerinand before you lecture me
09:54.40GuerinI KNOW this is not a cad suite
09:54.47darksmoCan somebody help me?
09:54.55Guerindarksmo: can you ask a question?
09:55.01darksmook
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09:55.17darksmoI've installed Debian woody stable
09:55.31darksmoAnd i want to upgrade to an unstable version
09:55.55TheStardarksmo: Why?
09:55.55darksmoDoes somebody have an updated  sources.list
09:56.02SlayerXPdarksmo: if you don't know how to do that, then you're not qualified run unstable
09:56.12PhatedIYHTAYS
09:56.19TheStarIYHTAYS?
09:56.23Phated!IYHTAYS
09:56.23dpkgIf you have to ask, you shouldn't.
09:56.30Guerindarksmo: /msg dpkg woody->sarge
09:56.36PhatedWhat SlayerXP said, but less strain on the wrists.
09:56.59TheStardarksmo: Sarge is as far as you should go.
09:57.05bytecolorI didnt even attempt an upgrade, I just did a massive backup, wiped woody out and installe sarge
09:57.11gertHow can I remove a package of which the uninstallscript gives an error?
09:57.13darksmoSo
09:57.20TheStardarksmo: But you haven't said why you want Sid (unstable).
09:57.27Gueringert: fix the cause of the error
09:57.34darksmostable > testing > unstable ?
09:57.41TheStardarksmo: Yup.
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09:57.55Guerindarksmo: not quite. More like unstable > testing || stable
09:57.57TheStardarksmo: Also, only stable has security updates.
09:58.27gertGuerin: it sais it cannot remove a file since it is not there at all. putting one there (touch) doesn't fix it.
09:58.28Guerintesting packages don't flow into stable; that's an important distinction
09:58.46Gueringert: what package, what file, how'd it go missing?
09:58.48bytecolorI thought testing recieved 'some' security updates, they are just slow comming
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09:59.06Guerinbytecolor: they trickle down from sid; not from the security team
09:59.27darksmoOk Tnx
09:59.31hurzthe right mouse button no longer works in galeon - is this a known problem - is there a fix? (unstable, galeon 1.3.18-1.1)
09:59.33gertGuerin: dunno. It is a new install on a laptop. It is frozen-bubble-data. I don't need it.
09:59.44PhatedOooh frozen-bubble.
09:59.54johnapt-get remove frozen-bubble
09:59.54john?
10:00.11Gueringert: ok. put the full output of apt-get remove frozen-bubble-data; when the missing file has been touched
10:00.21Guerinjohn: if that worked, he'd not have to ask us, right?
10:00.24PhatedSomewhere other than in this channel, please.
10:00.28gertjohn: tried that... exits. dpkg --remove or --purge also exits.
10:00.33Gueringert: yeah, put it on a httpd
10:00.35johnGuerin: Yeah, sorry ;/
10:01.05PhatedAnyways, frozen-bubble depends on frozen-bubble-data, but the latter doesn't depend on anything. It could ostensibly stay there forever.
10:01.27GuerinPhated: wasting disk space and bandwidth on upgrades.
10:01.39PhatedWell yeah.
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10:01.47PhatedWhich is why debfoster is the way to go.
10:01.58bytecolorI dont think OpenCASCADE is on par with ASIC or Parasolid, but it' still impressive
10:01.59scarynetworkguydebfoster rocks.
10:02.01gertGuerin: hang on
10:02.41directhex|workbeer rocks more
10:02.43bytecolorthe two latter kernels have a river of $$ flowing through their R&D
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10:02.49Guerinbeer does rock more
10:02.50chealer!debfoster
10:02.51dpkgdebfoster is, like, a package that detects "orphaned" dependencies and cleans them up.
10:03.01directhex|worknow, time for a long vendor meeting with sun
10:03.17Guerinbytecolor: the license looks shady, too.
10:03.24hurzah i noticed there is a new version of galeon
10:03.26Guerindirecthex|work: more beer first
10:03.28ahewittI have just spent like 2 hours (on and off) trying to get the dependencies workign so I can compile mplayer...and now its done and I can run it, but the control panel just comes up as a black square and nothing on the window does anything...is there any secret trick thats required to get the GUI to work properly?
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10:04.01bytecolorGuerin, I havent read it (I probably wouldnt understand it if I did :P)
10:04.37Guerinbytecolor: basically: lgpl+send your mods back to the original author
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10:04.46bytecolorah
10:04.50Guerindefinitively dfsg non-free
10:04.51gertGuerin: strange... dpkg didn't work if the file was touched. apt-get --remove did however work after the touch. Anyone know why this could be? apt-get only passes command to dpkg right?
10:05.28Gueringert: yes and no.
10:05.54Gueringert: if it worked with apt-get remove, it should have worked with dpkg -r unless there was a dep error or something else.
10:06.25bytecolorWell It's justa a hobby for me, I *would* like to create an open source cnc toolpath verification app, just for shitz & giggles
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10:06.52gertGuerin: that is the strange thing. There was only this file error and no dep errors. Well it worked and I'll keep it in mind :) Thnx
10:06.57Guerinbytecolor: lots of shitz and giggles, there.
10:07.04Gueringert: :)
10:07.18daft_wat X11 browser works with out $home?
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10:07.39Guerindaft_: what?
10:07.43jm_daft_: try dillo
10:07.54riturajWhere can i find jigdo files for AMD64 debian?
10:08.17rituraji dont have net conection so i want to burn full CD instead of netinst CD of amd64 debian
10:08.29riturajdont have a net connection at home
10:08.36riturajwhere i am going to install
10:08.38Guerindaft_: if your $HOME is unavailable, you can try export HOME=/tmp/mynewhome
10:08.49Guerindaft_: after creating that dir, natch
10:08.58daft_guerin my king
10:09.11darksmoI've an usbmouse; what's the path of this device? (/dev/input/mouse doesn't work)
10:09.26skyisblueahewitt: did you install the skin? http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/README
10:09.36bytecolorGuerin, I'd start simple; a block for the material, a cylinder for the tool, then extrude the profile of the cylinder in the direction of travel, subtract the extrusion from the block, rinse, repeat
10:09.52bytecolorfrom what I've read of the API, the tools are there to accomplish that
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10:10.14Guerinbytecolor: then all you'd need is a supercomputer farm to run it on
10:10.24TheStarsubversion is so easy, I should've finished ages ago!
10:10.34bytecolorGuerin, yea, speed would be an issue
10:10.44Guerinbytecolor: this opencascade is no joke - the build requires gigs of ram and massive amounts of storage - just the build!
10:10.59Guerinbytecolor: it took sanxiyn weeks to build, IIRC
10:11.02Furbsahewitt: why did you compile your own mplayer and not use packages?
10:11.25CokeGuerin: what is opencascade?
10:11.33GuerinCoke: .org and see :)
10:11.35darksmoQUESTION> I've an usbmouse; what's the path of this device? (/dev/input/mouse doesn't work)
10:11.36TheStarGuerin: I spit on those who don't run nightly rebuilds! :)
10:11.42daft_hmmz Firefox isnt lissening to $home it persists on /home/daft/
10:11.44GuerinCoke: it;s a 3d modelling and simulation suite
10:11.50GuerinTheStar: haha
10:11.50bytecoloryea, I've got working libs on my workstation, I 've compiled a couple of examples, so I've got a working build environment
10:11.51TheStar</joke>
10:11.52CokeFurbs: does Debian provide mplayer?
10:11.57daft_o well mount a tmp home partition then
10:12.03GuerinCoke: marillat does
10:12.19Guerindaft_: you want to fix your $HOME situation pretty fast
10:12.24CokeWell, that would explain why you would compile the source.
10:12.42Shadurdaft_: Try /dev/input/mice
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10:13.26Guerindaft_: you realise $HOME is not $home, right?
10:13.35daft_Im going to mount a tmpfs on home (just to do some thing while im waiting for my new kernel to compile
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10:14.11daft_know it is HOME ~ is pointing to /tmp/tmphome
10:14.23bytecolorhrm wonder if oc has an irc channel on some far away (French) server
10:14.58karstenbytecolor: oc?
10:15.05bytecolorOpenCASCADE
10:15.37skyisbluedaft_: usbutils or usbview or aptitude and "/" "usb"
10:15.45TheStarIn /etc/init.d, if I want a script to run something as a particular user, how should I do it?
10:15.58cdbi'm running sid with a 2.6.10 kernel. when using X it seems that the radeon module doesn't get loaded and, if i modprobe it before starting x, doesn't get used. is there some issue with 2.6.10, X and the radeon module? i don't see any errors in the X error log.
10:16.15daft_skysiblue I mounted  tmpfs on home I can browse now
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10:16.28GuerinTheStar: there are a bunch of ways - use su -c; or if your app has a --user=foo function, use that
10:17.04TheStarGuerin: Of course!  I was thinking that su would ask for the password... but it doesn't in init.d, when it's run by root(!)
10:17.10mencodehi fellas
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10:17.38GuerinTheStar: sho'nuff
10:17.46mencodeI was wondering if it was possible to use a kernel-image's .config for manual building of a kernel. I don't know where to look for the .config, though.
10:17.55itom've installed in debian sarge Zope 2.6.4, by default listen the port 9673 but I can access only from localhost and the same lan
10:17.56FurbsTheStar: and if you check its PAM config you know why
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10:18.08itomthe linuxbox have a public ip (apache running can access from evrywere) but If I try to connect to :9673 at zope server nothing
10:18.10Guerinmencode: it is, but you better be working with a debian kernel source, not a plain kernel.org source
10:18.24mencodeGuerin: pulled off apt-get
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10:18.31mencodeGuerin: is that vanilla, or deb?
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10:18.33Guerinmencode: it comes with the debian kernel source, or with the kernel image in /boot/config-*
10:18.36mcostahello
10:18.44mencodeGuerin: ah
10:18.46mcostasomeone knows the wireless pci card msi pc54g?
10:18.47Guerinmencode: apt-geet install kernel-source-version is a debian kernel
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10:19.45mencodeGuerin: ah, how did forget to check /boot/ :/
10:19.58Knight_LordHi. I'm going to build a test cluster out of alphas, and i'm a bit lost about where to start looking. Can someone give me pointers about where i should start reading?
10:19.59mencodeGuerin: thx. I wanted to use the default .config as a template
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10:20.52simonrvnGuerin: i even do it if i install one by hand. it's just easier that way
10:20.55GuerinKnight_Lord: tldp.org has some clustering howtos
10:21.06Guerinsimonrvn: ?
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10:21.13simonrvnGuerin: kernel install
10:21.20w1tt!seen golgotha
10:21.20dpkggolgotha <~golgotha@cpc2-cmbg8-6-0-cust56.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 18h 21m 44s ago, saying: 'what package is ldconfig in?'.
10:21.22Guerinsimonrvn: from debian sources?
10:21.23simonrvnwith -version
10:21.34simonrvnGuerin: or upstream
10:21.36Knight_LordGuerin i was hoping for something more debian specific
10:21.39Guerinsimonrvn: oh yeah. I always have a debian kernel as backup
10:21.59simonrvni always have a *working* kernel as backup ;)
10:22.17Guerinsimonrvn: heh, yeah.
10:22.21skyisbluewhat is better debian way kernel compile?
10:22.27simonrvn(haven't had much luck with debian kernel since early 2.6)
10:22.44Guerinsimonrvn: hrm, I had a glitch around 2.6.5, but it fixed itself
10:22.50simonrvnskyisblue: a là debian is very convenient
10:22.57skyisblue?
10:22.58Guerinsince 2.6.6 it's been roses
10:23.37simonrvnthis grsec one is rock solid. really happy with it
10:23.54Guerinsimonrvn: I was going to build one, but I cba reading about the different things
10:24.15simonrvn"cba"?
10:24.23Guerin!cba
10:24.23dpkgwell, cba is couldnt be arsed
10:24.29simonrvnaah
10:26.14mencodedoes anybody here using the bootsplash(or fbsplash) patch for their kernel?
10:26.22simonrvnno
10:26.35skyisblueshould i buy dvdrw or ps2?
10:26.55simonrvnit have an initrd for just a bootsplash is a waste of time, IMNSHO
10:27.00simonrvns/it/to/
10:27.06Guerinskyisblue: unless you're buying it for me, I don't gaf.
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10:27.23Guerinyeah
10:27.31mencodesimonrvn: it wastes time?
10:27.42simonrvnwho's going to be rebooting that often anyway? ;)
10:27.51mencodeframebuffer, rather
10:27.57mencodesorry, got the terms mixed up
10:28.06Guerinoh, I use a framebuffer
10:28.15skyisbluemencode: have you tried nitro-patch to kernel?
10:28.16Guerinnot bootsplash, though
10:28.19mencodeis that easy to implement?
10:28.20daft_what was the command to recheck modules that are needed I have the most build in now
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10:28.22simonrvnoh. tht, yeh, i don't really have a choice in the matter ;)
10:28.30simonrvnmencode: yes
10:28.30Guerinmencode: yeah, pretty straightforward
10:28.34mencodeskyisblue: only heard about nitro in gen2. not really interested
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10:28.59mencodesimonrvn, Guerin: the reason I'm rebuilding the kern, is to get that working
10:29.25mencodeI get many vesafb failed messages at boot, so I'm thinking that there's a kernel option somewhere that I should consider
10:29.36daft_memcode there is a clash between the bootspash patch and the debian patch
10:29.44skyisbluenitro have vesafb-tng
10:29.50simonrvnok. so just enable framebuffer support and compile in your driver. then add an append="video:yourdriverfb" to lilo/grub/whatever.conf
10:29.53Guerinmencode: http://feayn..org/~lewis/config-2.6.9.magpie # my config with working framebuffer
10:30.12mencodeGuerin: k
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10:30.32daft_,e,code you neeed to get the vesafb from vanila and put that over the debian one
10:30.35Guerinit's a bit messy, I left a lot of stuff I didn't understand as M
10:30.37daft_mencode*
10:30.41mencodeGuerin: is this 2.6.9- specific? or can I get it going with an older rev?
10:30.56mencodedaft_: you lost me
10:30.58Guerinmencode: don't use it; just look at what I have enabled and disabled
10:31.03mencodedaft_: i'll hve to google
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10:31.14Guerinmencode: since it's tuned specifically to my quite rare and very old laptop
10:31.32mencodeGuerin: yeah, i have an old laptop as well '00 Inspiron 4000
10:31.37Guerinhaha
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10:31.45mencodenot quite as old as yours?
10:31.45Guerinthis is a '97 toshi tecra 8000
10:31.56Guerinand it still owns
10:31.56mencodehehe
10:32.08daft_in 2.6.9 there is a bug due to the clash of the bootsplas patch and the debian patch get the vanila kernel and copy vesafb over the debian vesafb fater that is works fine
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10:32.24daft_aftet*
10:32.25Guerinif it's still alive in 12 months, I'll buy a couple spare batteries for it and take it on my roadtrip from asia to europe
10:32.36mencodeGuerin: is that what u had to do to get it working with 2.6.9?
10:32.44mencodedaft_: heh, np. appreciate it
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10:33.09daft_mencode it worked with me (untill some one fucked my pc with rm -rf
10:33.12Guerinmencode: that is the config of the kernel I'm currently running with framebuffer, yeah.
10:33.41mencodeGuerin: my laptop's battery case thingymajig is busted (technically-speaking.) I've tried switching out old/new batts, but no go. I had to settle for an AC source
10:34.11mencodeGuerin: nah, I mean, regarding daft's advice on the vanilla kern
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10:34.24mencodedaft_: someone?
10:34.30Guerinmencode: mine is on AC as well. I THINK the battery bay itself is alright
10:34.34Indalhmm is there a module for getting the dates of files other than using ls -al and splitting it to get the date and file name, as i need to calculate dates older than 4 days, and search.cpan.org isn't responding :(
10:34.42Guerinmencode: mine is built from vanilla kernel.org source
10:34.50daft_mencode try to put the serial code of the battery in google you hae a change you get a discount site on the right
10:35.25mencodedaft_:  it's not the battery itself. I think some wires are toast. I've tried dismanteling the thing, but I had no idea how to proceed from there
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10:35.43solidev\j debian-amd64
10:35.49mencodehehe, i was staring at the circuits with a *gee whiz* face
10:35.50solidevoops- sorry
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10:35.55simonrvnsolidev: /
10:36.01daft_mencode do you have a multimeter?
10:36.09Guerinthis toshi is built like a tank; I tried to take it apart to clean it once, and decided that there was no way in hell anything bigger than a microbe could have gotten inside
10:36.22PhatedDust Puppy!
10:36.31mencodedaft_: no. but my bro-in-law had one, attempted to 'help' me, but had no idea how to :)
10:36.36Guerinhehe
10:36.41PhatedWell... Microbe Puppy.
10:36.45Guerinamateur electronics for fun and profit
10:36.50PhatedHaha.
10:37.03daft_mencode: howmany wires has the battery output? 4?
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10:37.30simonrvng'night
10:37.35daft_nn
10:37.38mencodedaft_: think so. i did it in late '02, so I'm not really certain
10:37.46skyisbluebye
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10:37.55Guerinsimonrvn: sleep tight
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10:38.00mencodeGuerin: i should've gone for a tosh satellite
10:38.03daft_well I may talk klingon for some peeps now but here it comes
10:38.06mencodeGuerin: those machines are well built
10:38.23mencodehold on, fetching babelfish
10:39.03bytecoloribnvidia-tls.so.1: cannot handle TLS data
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10:39.14bytecoloranyone know what that's all about?
10:39.14skyisbluemencode: for you: http://www.homebrewcpu.com
10:39.26bytecolor#nvidia is dead dead dead
10:39.29mencodeskyisblue: for you: <3
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10:40.16mencodeGuerin: is that link working?
10:40.18skyisbluebytecolor: agreed
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10:40.32daft_2 wires are input to the battery (2 output to laptop) the input is commanly a currrent source take a varable resistant and the multimeter in current and probe the power if the laptop if in varible resistant the current is constant that is the input to the battery
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10:40.39Guerinmencode: which?
10:40.39mencodeGuerin: oops, it was abbreviated somehow
10:40.48karstenmencode: Watch for centrino chips on the Toshibas.
10:41.29daft_try to load the battery with some thing and the output where the voltage is the most constant that is the output to the laptop
10:41.42daft_and you have your wires
10:41.48mencodeyeup
10:41.53bytecolorthe 'yellowmotif' theme of icewm is starting to grow on me
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10:42.36mencodeGuerin: heh, wasn't abbreviated. it was just an extra dot :D
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10:44.16Guerinhah, that guy's wife on that site is just like mine
10:44.22Guerinshe knows all and sees all
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10:45.15ircdevil!sing sarge
10:45.15dpkgAny day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed...
10:45.52Hal9002!fuck woody
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10:46.52tr'lo, is there a channel for hardware (especially router) problems on this network?
10:47.12Herodesanyone can help me with this ?
10:47.13fatal__#lartc
10:47.15Herodesmakina:/etc/samba# smbpasswd jesus
10:47.16HerodesNew SMB password:
10:47.16HerodesRetype new SMB password:
10:47.16HerodesFailed to find entry for user jesus.
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10:47.46Herodessorry floooding
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10:49.02solidevhello. - alioth seems dead for me ?.. what about it ?
10:49.22Herodesfatal__, thx u
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10:50.04bytecolornvidia worked phanphuckintastikcally with woody
10:50.49skyisbluebytecolor: /msg dpkg mepis
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10:52.15bytecolorskyisblue, sounds interesting
10:52.29bytecolorbut Debian has been so good to me, I'd hate to turn my back on it
10:53.35skyisbluebytecolor: anyway good to see you like it. :)
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10:56.20bytecolorteretts?
10:56.28karstenarabian: stop that.
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10:57.17Indaleh why didn't ls | tail -n 250 | awk '{rm -rf $1}' delete the last 250 files outputted from ls ?
10:57.59karstenIndal: Because awk isn't a shell execution.
10:58.37Indalok then why didn't ls | tail -n 250 | perl -le 'while (<>) { unlink $_; }' work?
10:58.38karstenIndal: | awk 'print( "rm -rf %s", $1 ) | bash
10:58.45bbrazil| xargs rm -rf #eek that a bad idea
10:58.48karstenIndal: ...will create commands with awk and execute via bash.
10:58.52bytecolorcan rm take from stdin with '-'?
10:58.57karstenIndal: awk != perl.
10:59.03Indalyes i know that
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10:59.11Indali don't really know awk
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10:59.15karstenbytecolor: Dunno.
10:59.16Indalonly very roughly
10:59.31karstenIndal: Usually:  ls | tail -250 | xargs rm
10:59.35karstenIndal: ...is what you want.
10:59.36Indalcool
11:00.02bytecolorkarsten, dont think it will, from a little test just performed
11:00.07karstenIndal: If your list is short enough, rm $( ls | tail -250 )
11:00.07karstenIndal: ...also works.
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11:00.16Indalahhh
11:00.19bytecolora lot of utils will take '-' though
11:00.26Indalnah the list is long
11:00.51Xemacs__Indal, ls | tail -n 250 |xargs rm -rf (even)
11:01.02arabianhello
11:01.13aokazeDoes anyone know of applications for digital video players?
11:01.17arabianhow are you ???
11:01.23Indalthat did the trick Xemacs__
11:01.24Indal;-)
11:01.34karstenbytecolor: Um.  Really?
11:01.52aokazeI have a DV camera and I want to be able to transfer to the computer
11:01.59bytecoloryes, I know I've used it in the past
11:02.02karstenbytecolor: mkdir /tmp/foobar; cd /tmp/foobar; for f in $( seq 500 ); do touch x-$f; ls | tail -250 | xargs rm; ls | wc -l
11:02.14petemcaokaze: kino
11:02.18karstenbytecolor: List shows 250 files.
11:02.25karstenbytecolor: ...so you deleted the other 250.
11:02.58bytecolorI didnt deleate anything :P
11:03.11karstenaokaze: Kino.  It's like the Windows proprietary Studio stuff.  Pinnacle.
11:03.11bytecoloror delete
11:03.52bytecolorIm crushed
11:04.17karstenfole < bytecolor
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11:04.40bytecolorthat reminds me I need to ask a folding question in #vim
11:04.47aokazeoh another thing.  I have problems with my firewire card.  when its in my computer shutdown and reboot has a segmentation halt
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11:06.21D4rkr4v3rhi i have a little problem!, i have just a few min ago instaled Debian again, but now he cant come on the internet!, my router is blocking him, how can i edit the settings/configuration?
11:06.37bytecolorgq eh
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11:07.45xtatso... is selinux anything more than RBAC?
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11:08.36scarynetworkguyxtat: Yes.
11:08.45jm_xtat: yes it is, read about it on their web page
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11:08.55D4rkr4v3rhi can some one help me PLS!
11:08.59xtatI'll read again <:
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11:09.30SlayerXPD4rkr4v3r: /nick <new nick>
11:09.38SlayerXPI assume the stupid nick is what you want help with
11:09.38streuner_D4rkr4v3r: /msg dpkg interfaces
11:09.49D4rkr4v3rSlayerXP why new nick ? ;/
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11:11.24skyisblueD4rkr4v3r: so hackish ;)
11:11.35D4rkr4v3rhahahaha
11:11.36D4rkr4v3rkk
11:11.41Raymondthats bettah?
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11:12.02dpkg'D4rkr4v3r' is 99.9099% lame, jethro
11:12.08jethrowow nice
11:12.26Raymondthnx :)
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11:15.52Raymondhmm, i still dont understand it, i am gonna hate routers before i dont had this router i have worked whit debian, and whitout a problem i came on the internet, but now the router is blocking!;/
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11:17.10cafuegoStop using your enter key.
11:17.22skyisblueRaymond: what is your router?
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11:19.23RaymondSweex broadband router
11:19.45Shadurarabian: Something wrong with your keyboard? That's the second time you've done this.
11:19.52karstenarabian: That's twice.  Suggest you stop or get kicked.
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11:20.56Raymondskyisblue: SweeX BroadBand Router
11:20.57arabianhello
11:20.57arabianok
11:21.07xtatah ok, MAC is defnitely different from RBAC :D
11:21.12karsten!tell arabian about ask
11:22.20bytecolorset foldmethod=manual
11:22.33bytecolorthen visually select the lines to fold then 'zf'
11:22.45bytecolorit's a wonderful thing!
11:22.46karstenbytecolor: Hrm.  I've heard a bit about folding but haven't used it much myself.
11:22.57karstenbytecolor: I'm still finding split screens pretty neat.
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11:23.22bytecolorkarsten, yes, :sp FILE
11:23.31bytecolorthen ^ww to switch between them
11:23.40karstenbytecolor: ??
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11:24.20bytecolorkarsten, to open extra windows in a cl vim session
11:24.45Patrick_hi bytecolor
11:25.01bytecolorhi Patrick_
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11:25.30Patrick_hey!! im still logged on as my old username
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11:25.37karstenbytecolor: I usually do ^ws then e! file
11:25.38Patrick_hipp, is me
11:25.39bytecolorvim is amazing, if you can get all it's functionality packed into your peanit
11:25.40arabianok every one ,, I am really sorry ,,, I didnt know ,, I will leave now good bye
11:25.41karstenpeterrooney: Yeah.
11:25.46karstenpeterrooney: NM.
11:25.53bytecolorkarsten, ah, so you open an empty buffer
11:25.54Herodeswhich port is samba listening in?
11:26.02bytecolorthat's cool
11:26.04karstenPatrick_: Yeah, if you've registered, /query nickserv and recover/release nick.
11:26.13karstenbytecolor: Yeah.  It Works For Me[tm].
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11:26.17bytecolorheh
11:26.40Patrick_karsten, i lost the connection and hipp (me) is still logged on, but im not registered
11:26.56karstenHerodes: 139 IIRC.
11:27.06Herodes139?
11:27.11karstenPatrick_: It'll time out after a bit.
11:27.19Patrick_karsten, hehe cool
11:27.24Herodeskarsten: it is for map it into iptables
11:27.49karstenHerodes: Most good firewall references will cover the port(s).
11:28.08karstenHerodes: GIYF:  'samba ports'.
11:28.31Herodesi have mine.
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11:33.03TheJayAnyone got any idea why my courier mail server (pop) wont auth my users? What could i've done wrong?
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11:42.34_eugenesan_TheJay: Check auth module list and check if on of them curently running.
11:42.51MerlinCoreyfreenode staff active right now?
11:43.14karstenMerlinCorey: Usually #freenode, though you won't have voice unless it's granted.
11:43.24MerlinCoreyyeah
11:43.25_eugenesan_is there any nice cpu/net live monitoring tool for console/web
11:43.27MerlinCoreyI know
11:43.29MerlinCoreyand without voice
11:43.32MerlinCoreyI can't ask for help
11:43.35MerlinCorey:P
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11:44.12MerlinCoreythe friendly #nethack robot, rodney, used as an infobot and to display deaths on the alt.org server just got klined.  and no one knows why
11:44.28karstenMerlinCorey: /who *.staff.freenode and look for someone recently active.
11:44.40GuerinMerlinCorey: just wait and you'll be voiced
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11:44.46Guerinwhen someone notices you
11:44.55deb-funhi folks
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11:45.11guruMerlinCorey: what happened?
11:45.18MerlinCoreyguru: no one knows
11:45.23MerlinCoreyit just quit, klined
11:45.26Gueringuru: someone set up rodney the bomb
11:45.41guruwhat's his hostmask?
11:46.04karstenGuerin: All your bot are belong to us.
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11:46.26MerlinCorey05:27 < Rodney> jonypawks (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 587 points, killed by a large kobold
11:46.29MerlinCorey06:20 -!- Rodney [moloch@dtype.org] has quit [K-lined]
11:46.46gurui'll see what i can do
11:46.58MerlinCoreyaye, I'm idlin' too
11:47.13skyisblueGuerin: how to setup router in linux?
11:47.35Guerinskyisblue: apt-get install ipmasq
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11:48.05skyisblueGuerin: no hardware router and linux.
11:48.20skyisbluesweex broadband router
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11:48.37scarynetworkguyipmasq will make it into a NAT box that is able to do routing. If you want a OSS router check out http://xorp.org
11:48.55scarynetworkguyhttp://www.xorp.org
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11:49.31bytecolorall hardware routers are easy with DHCP, no?
11:49.43skyisbluesorry it wasn't my problem, but i can't find the answer.
11:49.54scarynetworkguy!confuse bytecolor
11:49.55dpkgYes, where is our pants yesterday, bytecolor? trousers of the monarchy of tahiti with extra herring
11:50.04bytecolorheh
11:50.23skyisblueRaymond: are you there?
11:50.35Guerinskyisblue: hardware routers are offtopic hee, unless they run debian. IAC, I've never used one.
11:50.39bytecolorwell I mena you take a Linksys router, set it as a DHCP host, plug in run dhclient and your up
11:51.19skyisblueGuerin: ok
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11:51.50Silensiushow can i know if my ISP has closed port 2
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11:52.22Raymondskyisblue yes i am here
11:52.24gurueveryone is idle now
11:52.41ricky_clarksonguru: We're all lazy phukkers.
11:52.53skyisblueRaymond: sorry i can't help you. do you run debian?
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11:52.54gururicky_clarkson: i'm talking about staffers :)
11:53.07Raymondskyisblue: yes i am running Debian
11:53.08skyisblueRaymond: and the router is wireless?
11:53.14Raymondskyisblue: no
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11:53.25ricky_clarksonguru: Why, is there a problem that needs an op?
11:53.56gururicky_clarkson: yes
11:54.22Husk1I have just built a 2.6 kernel and when i try to load modules it always missing module dependencies, how can i fix?
11:54.22skyisblueRaymond: i did go to the sweex home page, there is some driver, did you installed it?
11:54.26ricky_clarksonguru: What's up?
11:54.53Raymondskyisblue: how can i do that if i have no internet ;)
11:55.22Raymondskyisblue: my router is blocking it thats the problem
11:55.24ricky_clarksonRaymond: More conventional means - burn a CD, use a floppy disk, etc.
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11:55.48guruMerlinCorey: he was k-lined because he had clones
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11:56.22Raymondricky_clarkson: yeah yeah, but the fauld is some where in the confing, and router, my router dont know the mac adress etc... and ip config in linux is bad i think
11:56.27MerlinCoreyguru:
11:56.40skyisblueRaymond: i guess kernel supports WAN
11:56.47MerlinCoreyguru: like more dtype.org clones or?
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11:56.56gilleshow to send all the files where the name begins with with abc when using the command scp ?
11:57.02Raymondskyisblue: how can i see that?
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11:57.18guru[12:56:45] [Freenode] !kornbluth.freenode.net No K-Line for *@dtype.org
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11:57.32skyisblueRaymond: it is about kernel compile
11:57.54guruMerlinCorey: see if he can rejoin now
11:58.07MerlinCoreywell, k-lines are channel specific
11:58.11skyisblueRaymond: make menuconfig
11:58.13MerlinCoreyer
11:58.14MerlinCoreyserver
11:58.15MerlinCoreysoz
11:58.19MerlinCoreyand I don't run the bot
11:58.21guruwhat server was he on?
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11:58.46MerlinCoreycouldn't tell you
11:58.50MerlinCorey:(
11:59.07guruwhat channel?
11:59.14abrocadabrohi, is there a gui in debian that lets me configure dual head?
11:59.49guruMerlinCorey: are you talking about here on freenode?
11:59.52MerlinCoreyguru: #nethack
11:59.54skyisblueRaymond: or there is some config software for the router. not sure.
11:59.54MerlinCoreyguru: of course
12:00.38daft_I have compiled my nvidia module (yes the debian way) but when i try to load the module i get the error 'Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE' error inserting module unknow symbol in module or unknown paramter
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12:01.15skyisbluesome software can touch the embedded ware in the router..
12:01.15MerlinCoreyabrocadabro: xinerama ?
12:01.22skyisblue:?
12:01.24bytecolorabrocadabro, there is a xinerama HOWTO floating around the net
12:01.39guru06:01 -SeenServ(SeenServ@services.)- I last saw Rodney (moloch@dtype.org) 40m 30s ago,
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12:01.47gurubah wrong buffer
12:01.48bytecolorhrm, I think I spelled that correctly
12:01.54karstenbytecolor: Damned tsunami.  Bodies are one thing.  Documentation *really* clogs up the pipes though.
12:01.57MerlinCorey!xinerama
12:01.58dpkghmm... xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html
12:02.16bytecolorhey! that's it
12:02.21skyisblueRaymond: actually i haven't used router
12:02.54bytecolorIm irc st00pid so I dont know all the 'features'
12:03.05pepsi_I've found a debian kernel howto that tells me to compile and install my kernel with make-kpkg and dpkg. I'm used to do it with make. is there any drawback to do it with make?
12:03.15Raymondhmm
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12:03.31Raymondsame here, before this i had no router and everything was fine
12:03.42Raymondbut now the router is here the problems come
12:03.55abrocadabroi used to use Fedora Core 2 with xorg, and it had a tool to configure dual head, does debian have the same thing? is xinerama included in xfree?
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12:04.42|rufius|abrocadabro: you could search for it in the apt cache
12:04.50|rufius|abrocadabro: "apt-cache search <whatever>"
12:04.56MerlinCoreybytecolor: dpkg is a bot, a damn good one.
12:04.59MerlinCorey!botsnack
12:05.00dpkg:), MerlinCorey
12:05.11MerlinCoreywealth of information in it
12:05.13valdyn_pepsi_: theres a few things included in that deb make-kpkg creates, like updating boot manager
12:05.20|rufius|MerlinCorey: whats dpkg written in?
12:05.29MerlinCoreyit's a blootbot
12:05.34MerlinCoreyblootbot.sourceforge.net iirc
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12:05.42mattiSnanyone here who's written a driver for a soundcard ?
12:05.49abrocadabro|rufius|: i have actually, the tool i used to use actually came with kde, i am using kde in debian now too but couldn't find that thing anymore
12:06.02|rufius|abrocadabro: hrm
12:06.07|rufius|abrocadabro: whats it calleD?
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12:06.31|rufius|MerlinCorey: a perl
12:06.38|rufius|ah*
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12:08.24Herodesfor enabling samba......this could be a bit dangerous?--->http://www.pastebin.com/228761
12:08.33pepsi_valdyn_: thx!
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12:09.24|rufius|Herodes: were it me, i'd limit it to local traffic only as in 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
12:10.35gilleswhen using gftp, which port should i choose for the connection ?
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12:12.23Herodesrunixd, how ?
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12:12.59bytecolormy god! there is movement in #pyton
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12:13.37MerlinCoreybytecolor: amazing.  how active is #python? *duck*
12:13.41gilles|rufius|: it still doesn't work
12:13.47karstenbytecolor: It's a witch!  Burn her!  Burn her!
12:13.47bytecolorheh
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12:13.48Bogaurddoes anyone know why neither version of the wondershaper will work on my debian woody box? i have installed iproute, but when i run the script. it seems to just kill my network interface
12:14.18|rufius|gilles: i really couldn't tell you then, i only use ncftp
12:14.18valdyn_Bogaurd: hmm, you are using kernel 2.2.x?
12:14.19jm_woody might have too old tools - I remember getting them from sid and compiling them on m own
12:14.38Bogaurdvaldyn_, no 2.4.18 from apt-get
12:14.42daft_some one ever encounterd "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.9/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" ?
12:14.54karstendaft_: Nope.  It's just you.
12:15.30valdyn_Bogaurd: then it should work, look at it, maybe its assuming a different network layout than you have
12:15.37Herodesrunixd, are you?
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12:15.48daft_karsten: well it isnt just me but I never had it before
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12:17.06Bogaurdvaldyn_, i have checked and rechecked. it used to work on my old distro just fine... just doesnt seem to run on debian woody
12:17.33ricky_clarksonkarsten: How do you know how to brew irony?
12:17.44PASTY11HI ALL
12:17.56MerlinCoreyBogaurd: have you checked and checked the version numbers?
12:18.01karstenricky_clarkson: Yeah, but only the bitter kind.
12:18.19BogaurdMerlinCorey, yes :)
12:18.39Bogaurdit gives no errors, just seems to block all traffic on the interface
12:18.40daft_I rather have irony on the rocks
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12:19.26MerlinCoreyBogaurd: no, I mean...  woody is two+ years old.  have you checked and checked the version numbers compared to your old distro of all the software in question which "no longer works"?
12:19.30MerlinCorey:)
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12:20.56BogaurdMerlinCorey, yes, my old distro was an unapdated version of rh9
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12:20.56nicreI need to transfer some portions of one hard disk to another.
12:20.56nicreHow can I go about doing this?
12:20.56holgiHello
12:20.59holgiis there a tool like FreeBSDs portaudit for Debian ?
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12:21.32aromanhello
12:21.32MerlinCoreyBogaurd: likely, and I know nothing about redhat other than 9 sounds fairly recent, all the software was of newer version
12:21.36MerlinCorey!hi aroman
12:21.37dpkgMany greetings, aroman, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
12:21.38karstenholgi: Not sure.  What's portaudit do?
12:21.58aromanhow can I set up apache so that every user on my debian box can have a cgi-bin folder with perl scripts? thank you in advance...
12:22.09jm_edit config file
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12:22.21karstenholgi: Ah.  Security profiling tool.
12:22.21holgiit checks installed packages for security updates and alarms you through syslog or email...
12:22.41karstenholgi: satan/santa.  Possibly "bastille".  There are a few other configuration test/audit tools.
12:22.49skyisblueRaymond: in freshmeat.net i found this "netdisco"
12:23.19jm_aroman: edit config file and uncomment it (search for cgi)
12:23.24karstenholgi: nessus.
12:23.32aromanjm_, hmm ok.. I'll try that...
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12:24.01holgimh, i know nessus and bastille..but i look for something like apt-get update and if there are security fixes raise an alarm...
12:24.08aromanjm_, apache2.conf you mean?
12:24.24karstenholgi: What's your native language?
12:24.30holgigerman
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12:25.13jm_aroman: I don't know about apache2, I don't use it
12:25.37aromanjm_, oh :(
12:25.50joujouhi, i have an (CAI28S, rare) mp3 player with 128 MB,  in windows it needs a driver, in linux, I plugged it, when i went to hardware browser (gnome) there found sigmatel, inc d-major mp3 player.
12:25.54joujouwhat do i need to access this player
12:26.48resiakIs there a cleaner way to run firefox through aoss than (a) just running aoss firefox at the console and changing all my shortcuts, or (b) echo aoss firefox '$*' > ~/bin/firefox ?
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12:27.13Shadurjoujou: a file browser, gnome-volume-manager, HAL and udev.
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12:27.31Klenkhow many bytes can u send as MSG_OOB ?
12:27.43valdyn_holgi: i assume youre using woody, _including_ the security repository, why not just make a cronjob that installs "updates", which can only be security updates anyway w/ debian/stable
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12:27.48joujouShadur, I have all above :P   needs configuration i guess,    the player does not get mounted to /media
12:28.00joujouIt would be cool to know which file in /dev it is
12:28.03joujouhow can i tell?
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12:28.21joujoui have had close to 0 need to mess up with /dev
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12:28.38Bogaurdis there a way i can easily get a new kernel with all the netlink options enabled? the 2.4.18 i apt-get'ed hasnt got them
12:28.41redluorghas anyone here used the bindgraph package? man, what a heap of shit.
12:28.43stewvaldyn_: installing via cron is not recommended
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12:29.10stewBogaurd: /msg dpkg kp
12:29.11valdyn_stew: apt-get can simulate too, thats his choice
12:29.16ShadurBogaurd: Still screwing up htb?
12:29.34BogaurdShadur: you bet :) cbq doesnt work either :D
12:29.46ShadurBogaurd: Then you're doing something else wrong.
12:29.51holgivaldyn_: that's a little bit to automatic ;-)
12:30.02BogaurdShadur: like what :|
12:30.09ShadurIIRC, the default kernels *do* come with the various QoS drivers enabled as modules.
12:30.17BogaurdShadur, i have checked and checked and checked
12:30.22ShadurBogaurd: grep HTB /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r`
12:30.29valdyn_holgi: look at what i told stew, apt-get can simply list upgraded packages w/o installing them
12:30.36stewShadur: you mean config-
12:30.42BogaurdShadur: nothing
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12:30.55Shadurer, yeah. config-`uname -r` even
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12:31.05BogaurdShadur, nothing again
12:31.06holgii know nessus now have the ability to check the local packages for incidents but not on debian, at least not know!
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12:32.09valdyn_holgi: it will generate false alarms on debian since debian backports security fixes..
12:32.19IrITi've a problem with Arts. In Xmms or Amarok if i select arts as the engine, i have no sound. I'm Using Debian Sarge, with Xfce4. With other sound engines like OSS driver in XMMS, my sound works great. Plz help
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12:32.50BogaurdShadur: what do you think?
12:33.01joujouany help would be appreciated ":(   i plugged in an mp3 player and now would liek to know which file in /dev it is connected to
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12:33.40bytecolor(A)utomatically (P)rogrammed (T)ools
12:33.57bytecolorthe *original* apt :)
12:34.05stewBogaurd: do the same with CBQ
12:34.16sussudio!seen test
12:34.17dpkgtest <~testa@client11.itam1.hawkcommunications.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 52d 5h 4m 11s ago, saying: 'test'.
12:34.20Bogaurdstew, ok
12:34.21appajiIf I sort mails in mutt as threads, and a new mail arrives in an older thread, does the whole thread 'moved down'? or do I have to 'go up' to see the new msg in the old thread?  is there any config variable that can get the thread to move down?
12:34.29stewBogaurd: that means you certainly can't use HTB with that kernel
12:34.31karstenbytecolor: Advanced Photoscale Technology
12:34.51karstenappaji: Threads are date-sorted by the first message in the thread.
12:34.57Bogaurdstew: i got CONFIG_NET_SCH_CBQ=m
12:35.12Bogaurdcbq will do, i just need some traffic shaping :)
12:35.20karstenappaji: If a pre-dated message appears in the thread, it's still sorted by the *later* date of the first threaded message.
12:35.24stewthat means you can use cbq but you need to load modules first
12:35.33ShadurBogaurd: your kernel does not support HTB. In fact, 2.4.18 didn't *CONTAIN* the htb patch yet
12:35.36raid5why is eterm better than aterm?
12:35.38karstenappaji: ...so, answering your question, you have to go up to see previously unread messages.
12:35.44Bogaurdstew, how can i load the modules?
12:35.50karstenappaji: Try this: "l ~N" in the mutt index view.
12:35.52BogaurdShadur, ah ok :) cool, i guess
12:36.01karstenappaji: ...restricts view to only new messages.
12:36.13karstenraid5: Who says it is?
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12:36.26joujouAnvil: I just plugged in a mp3 player, rare brand, in windows it needs a driver.   hardware browser shows it as "sigmatel, inc d-major mp3 player". I don't know how to mount it ...
12:36.28karsten!tell raid5 about better
12:36.36RichiHis there a wlan test-suite that will test and record field strengths, signal quality, congestion, other people on the access point etc etc? failing that, what programs would you employ to get this info?
12:36.37joujouwrong channel
12:36.43stewBogaurd: modprobe sch_cbq
12:36.46petemcRichiH: wavemov
12:36.48petemcgah
12:36.49raid5umm..the majority of desktop screenshots i see on the net uses eterm ?
12:36.52petemcRichiH: wavemon
12:36.58Bogaurdstew, done
12:36.58karstenjoujou: make sure you've got usb support.  Should show under /proc/scsi/scsi
12:37.03appajikarsten: Aah, ok.  So I guess I can't use the first sorting key for threads as the is-unread-msg-in-thread.
12:37.16karstenraid5: That's nice.
12:37.18Guerinraid5: eterm isn't better than xterm
12:37.18appajikarsten: Thank you for the other tip though :)
12:37.21Guerineterm is shite
12:37.24RichiHpetemc: seems nice, thanks :)
12:37.28joujoukarsten: I have, I use a printer and print with it normally,  i even sync with my palm
12:37.28karstenraid5: e-heads are addicted to screen candy.
12:37.30Guerinand it's Eterm, actually
12:37.32Bogaurdstew, that hasnt actually loaded it up, has it?
12:37.37raid5k :)
12:37.46JennsHeya, is the total amount of bytes sent and received for a particular interface easily available somewhere?
12:38.00Bogaurddont i need to do something like:
12:38.00Bogaurdecho "sch_cbq" >>/lib/modules
12:38.02petemcJenns: its in proc, ifconfig shows it, as does nload, bwm etc
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12:38.06karstenjoujou: cat /proc/scsi/scsi then and see if your device is listed.
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12:38.11Azoffhi
12:38.13raid5karsten, : so you saying Eterm looks better than aterm? but maybe not functionality wise?
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12:38.29stewBogaurd: /etc/modules
12:38.36Bogaurdstew, cool
12:38.42stewBogaurd: but modprobe *did load it
12:38.47Bogaurdstew, ok
12:38.51karstenraid5: I use rxvt myself.  Frankly, most terms are pretty interchangable.  gterm/konsole offer specific GNOME/KDE functionality, but they're not required.  And you can use 'em outside both.
12:38.55stewBogaurd: /etc/modules will just make sure its loaded next time yuou boot
12:38.59Bogaurdill test the shaper now
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12:39.16karstenraid5: AFAIR, both support transparancy (pseudo or real I don't know) and background images.
12:39.16AzoffIf 'cfdisk /dev/hda' just prints 'FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap' and exits, what can I do to fix this?
12:39.20Bogaurdstew: ok, so echo "sch_cbq" >>/etc/modules ?
12:39.27Guerinit's pseudo-trans
12:39.29stewBogaurd: yes
12:39.31Guerinnot real
12:39.40karstenraid5: It's trivial enough to install both and try 'em for a while.  And you're going to get far more out of that than bloviating here.
12:39.45Azoffw
12:39.46Guerinwhich is a dirty, useless hack, and partly why they're shite
12:39.54Azoffanyone?
12:39.59Guerin!anyone
12:39.59dpkg***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do.
12:39.59karstenAzoff: Do you have a rubber chicken?
12:40.05Bogaurdstew: ok, i will test the shaper... if i time out, something went wrong :P
12:40.06karstenGuerin: Thanks
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12:40.09Bogaurdhere goes
12:40.12Azoffkarsten: rubbere chicken?
12:40.18karstenAzoff: Yes.
12:40.23karstenAzoff: goat entrails also work.
12:40.24Guerinkarsten: he clearly doesn't have one.
12:40.29karstenGuerin: Point.
12:40.35Guerinthis must be remedied!
12:40.41Guerinbut how ..?
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12:41.04JennsTa petemc, /proc/net/dev
12:41.09karstenGuerin: FedEx!
12:41.18Azoffkarsten: I don't think it will help...
12:41.18Squidheadstew & anyone else who may care, it didnt work :(
12:41.47Azoffkarsten: so, if you wanna be funny, then I think you're at the wrong place.
12:41.53Guerinkarsten: i think it'd probably end up on a desert islands being very, very boring for a loooong time
12:41.55karstenAzoff: Do you get anything with 'fdisk -l /dev/hda'?  Should list partition if it exists.
12:42.05karstenAzoff: Story of my life.  Get used to it.
12:42.06GuerinAzoff: no, you're dead wrong about that.
12:42.09Azoffyes, fdisk -l shows it..
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12:42.18ricky_clarksonHumour is off-topic?
12:42.22Guerin#debian is actually the same as #funnay
12:42.22Squidheadhmm is it normal for me to have 2 entries in 'route -n' for one adapter?
12:42.25karstenGuerin: ...not to mention suffering depolymerization due to UV overexposure.
12:42.26joujoukarsten: /proc/scsi/scsi not found.   does it matter if this is not debian?
12:42.35karstenjoujou: Well, it could.
12:42.37Guerinkarsten: not depolymerisation... nooo...
12:42.43karstenjoujou: What OS are you running?
12:42.46Azoffbut *why* do cfdisk tell me that it's incorrect, I don't see any overlaping in fdisk
12:42.53daft_karsten is riped off with a gallon of irony he needs to give it to some one
12:43.00raid5can GTK1.x has nice n smooth gui like GTK2.x?
12:43.03karstenAzoff: cfdisk is sometimes a bit, um, _wrong_ about partitions.
12:43.12Azoffh
12:43.12karstenAzoff: I use fdisk myself.  Seems to be more sane.
12:43.16Azoffoki
12:43.19Guerinraid5: negatory
12:43.36karstenraid5: gtk1.x doesn't support subpixel hinting.
12:43.46Squidheadhmm is it normal for me to have 2 entries in 'route -n' for one adapter?
12:43.49karstenraid5: Your fonts will always be jagged, IOW.  If that matters to you.
12:43.58daft_karsten, the most wrong some thing was about partions was redhat some years ago made 20 partitons of 20gig eatch on a 17gig disk
12:44.02Azoffhttp://paste.se.linux.org/?id=758 <-- that doesn't look wrong, or?
12:44.07raid5:( ic..thats why sylpheed isnt too good with the GUI yea?
12:44.11karstenSquidhead: No.  Probably a network config goof.  Shouldn't hurt.  Though multiple GWs generally are Not Good.
12:44.22Guerinraid5: apt-cache search sylpheed |grep -i gtk2
12:44.26joujoukarsten: fc3
12:44.35karstendaft_: That's a creative use of space.  I see their CFO got out of software design after that.
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12:44.36Guerin!pity joujou
12:44.37dpkgI pity da fool joujou!
12:44.45joujou... this is not my comp
12:44.47daft_!fart
12:44.53karstenjoujou: Well, with scsi support it should work, but that's OT here.\
12:44.56raid5Guerin, : checking now...
12:44.56ricky_clarkson!dict sulfur
12:44.58dpkgDictionary 'sulfur' (2 shown): an abundant tasteless odorless multivalent nonmetallic element; best known in yellow crystals; occurs in many sulphide and sulphate minerals and even in native form (especially in volcanic regions) ;; treat with sulphur in order to preserve; "These dried fruits are sulphured" .
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12:45.01pingouin_dpkg :/
12:45.01dpkg~/ is your home dir silly!, or root, of all Unix
12:45.15Guerinlies
12:45.15ricky_clarksonHmm, sulfur and sulphur?  Is sulfur American?
12:45.18Squidheadkarsten, oh.. i am using the alternate nick.... this is bogaurd... my real nick ahsnt timed out yet. im having trouble with my shaping... maybe the 2 entries are why?
12:45.21Slideyanyone know anything about eth2: unexpected interrupt when using large (160gb) sata disks ? ?
12:45.23Guerinit's called sulphur in civilised countries
12:45.24pingouin_dpkg: you can't do that...you're a bot
12:45.24dpkgpingouin_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
12:45.32ricky_clarksonGuerin: And in New Zealand.
12:45.34karstenSquidhead: Refresh me.
12:45.39Azoffkarsten: do you see anything wrong in that output?
12:45.39Guerinricky_clarkson: yeah, there too.
12:45.42raid5ic..found it...didnt know it has a gtk2 ver..thanks guerin :)
12:45.43pingouin_dpkg: you even dont have an asshole, even if you're one ;)
12:45.43dpkgpingouin_: I give up, what is it?
12:45.58raid5thunderbird isnt too bad..but i wanted to try out sylpheed aswell
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12:46.11Squidheadkarsten: ok. when i run the cbq version of wondershaper, i get no errors, but all traffic on my network intefaces seems to stop. totally.
12:46.21karstenAzoff: Sec.
12:46.25raid5im also trying mutt out...its pretty good when you checking mail via ssh or telnet :)
12:46.30karstenSquidhead: WTF is wondershaper?
12:46.40Azoffkarsten: oki
12:46.47daft_Guerin, your saying that all civilised countries speaks engish
12:46.50Squidheadkarsten: a popular bandwidth shaping script
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12:47.02hettarwhat package do I need to reconfigure to fix my keymap ?
12:47.11Guerindaft_: no, that all civilised countries recognise that English originated in England.
12:47.19petemchettar: /msg dpkg keymap
12:47.28Guerindaft_: note: civiliSed, not civilized.
12:47.33raid5Guerin, : what is your mail client ? mutt?
12:47.35karstenAzoff: Should be OK.  hda5 is out of sequence, but doesn't overlap.
12:47.44Guerinraid5: affirmative.
12:47.47karstenAzoff: You have any operational problems or trouble mounting w/ that table?
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12:47.56karstenSquidhead: out of my league.
12:47.58daft_Guerin, why correct it when you know what it was
12:47.58raid5karsten ? what is your mail client?
12:48.03karstenraid5: mutt
12:48.03hettarthanks
12:48.07raid5k
12:48.10Guerindaft_: because correctness is important.
12:48.21Slideyanyone got any experience with install debian (bf24) onto sata disks (with dell machines) ?
12:48.25raid5mutt + procmail ?
12:48.26Azoffno, just that cfdisk complains about it
12:48.27Squidheadok... does ANYONE know why this wondershaper script might not be working? and just killing all my traffic?
12:48.34GuerinSlidey: good luck with them old disks.
12:48.41karstenraid5: fetchmail => exim => procmail => mutt.  Maildir format.
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12:48.56karstenraid5: With a shitload of procmail antispam rules.
12:49.09Cokeraid5: that is an optimal mail system. I have the same configuration.
12:49.11Slideyhah
12:49.12raid5sweet :) why exim? cant you direct fetchmail to use procmail as MDA straight away?
12:49.14karstenSquidhead: it's probably blocking all incoming or outgoing traffic ;-)
12:49.34karstenSquidhead: My default script testing practice is to comment half the script, try it, if it works, comment the other half.
12:49.37Guerinum, fetchmail just delivers mail to your host via smtp
12:49.45neeneesquidhead: if it's a bash script, edit the file and add -x to the first line the /bin/sh thing. then run it again. it will tell you where the error is
12:49.48Guerinsince procmail doesn't speak smtp...
12:49.50hettarI hate having to re-setup my system. It takes way too long
12:49.55karstenSquidhead: ...and if it breaks, comment half of what had been uncommented.  Until I find the problem.
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12:50.06karstenSquidhead: It's a sort of binary search through the script space.
12:50.12raid5k
12:50.21Squidheadneenee, karsten: ill try those suggestions
12:50.24raid5make sense
12:50.24mornerhmmm
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12:50.35Squidheadbut the thing is, the script runs just fine
12:50.48raid5you can get fetchmail to store the mail in local mail spool though yer?
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12:50.53karstenraid5: FIIK.  Set it up years ago, It Works.  IIRC I go through exim because it can handle multiple drops better than procmail.  I get ~50-300 messages per pull.
12:51.00raid5is that a nasty way of configuring it?
12:51.27karstenSquidhead: "legal syntax" does not imply "correct function"
12:51.49stewSquidhead: try leaving out the downlink portion, or try just doing the downlink portion
12:51.50Squidheadkarsten, ok i am testing
12:52.00Squidheadstew, ok
12:52.05karstenraid5: IIRC fetchmail either drops to local transport by default or you can tell it to.
12:52.24karstenraid5: What I know is that when I run a fetchmail pull first thing, I get a gazillion exim child processes.
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12:52.40karstenraid5: As I said:  it works.  I try not to fsck with it.
12:52.57karstenraid5: ...spam management has *really* fucked with the KISS principle in my email config.
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12:53.34Bogaurdok... that didnt work
12:53.50Bogaurdstew, karsten, can you join #flood so i can show you?
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12:59.09raid5a n00b question with mutt: how do i view folders when i am inside mutt
12:59.11raid5?
12:59.29karstenraid5: 'c' will change to folder.  '?' then views.
12:59.35raid5ta
12:59.38karstenraid5: 'mutt -y' will list folders on startup.
12:59.48karstenraid5: 'mutt -f <folder>' starts to folder.
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12:59.54patoisHi.
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13:00.21karsten!hi patois
13:00.22dpkgMany greetings, patois, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
13:00.25revengeris there any way to inject a string into a tcp port which is connected to another host on a local machine?
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13:00.39patoisWhat do you think about bug 253831 ? Which kernel should I choose on a K6-II ? Thanks.
13:00.43karstenrevenger: nc
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13:00.55revengerkarsten: well the port is already used
13:01.01elnovato<PROTECTED>
13:01.19karstenrevenger: Hrm.
13:01.30patoisrevenger : by spoofing maybe
13:01.46raid5bitchX vs X-Chat // which one would you prefer?
13:01.52karstenraid5: irssi
13:01.58raid5yer?
13:01.59raid5hmm
13:02.04karstenraid5: ...but of the two, xchat.
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13:02.11patoisraid5 : xchat is graphical, yes ?
13:02.22stew!graphical
13:02.23dpkgi heard graphical is what do you mean graphical?  Do you mean graphical as opposed to tactile or olafactory?
13:02.26ricky_clarksonXChat, because it's got some of my code in, and I feel like dominating the world today.
13:02.43raid5yeap xchat is graphical
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13:02.48skyisbluegr8
13:02.51patoisstew : use a pixel based interface as opposed to a text based one ?
13:03.00stewpatois: as it turns out, there are no graphics in irc
13:03.14patoisraid5 : I'm too used to my xterm stuff, I think to go to xchat...
13:03.17raid5karsten, : im surprised you didnt pick bitchX coz you like mutt style GUI :p
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13:03.28patoisstew : but the interface can be.
13:03.32ricky_clarksonstew: Yes there are, if you use gaim.  It interprets smileys and shows graphics.
13:03.42karstenraid5: I also like working programs.
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13:04.00phurlhi all, i am getting a crash in abiword #14 0x0823d896 in XAP_UnixFont::getAscender ()
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13:04.02ricky_clarksonDoesn't BitchX look like irssi anyway?
13:04.03patoisricky_clarkson : didnt microsoft created some irc GUI that looked like a cartoon ?
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13:04.06phurlit guess it has to do with fonts
13:04.10Cokeraid5: mutt is nothing like bitchx
13:04.12raid5lol which part of bitchX doesnt work ?
13:04.15Cokeraid5: mutt is actualy quite useful
13:04.17revengerdoes anyone know a tool for disconnecting another host on a specific port?
13:04.19phurlanyone can tell me what packages might be affecting this_
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13:04.23revengeriptables isn't loaded there actually..
13:04.28xareHi does anybody know how to write on an NTFS partition?
13:04.28patoisricky_clarkson: I guess it's a fork of the same code base.
13:04.31sprut4nHow can i install x-window?
13:04.39sprut4napt-get install x-window-system-cor?
13:04.53Cokesprut4n: does such a package exist?
13:05.08sprut4ndon´t no
13:05.14Cokesprut4n: why don't you find out?
13:05.17patoissprut4n : what for do you want x ? Install what you want and the right part of X will be installed.
13:05.29alx242Coke: stop chatting get to work!
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13:05.39Cokealx242: eat my shorts!
13:05.40kikinovakHi. Looking for a quick hack. I want to rename multiple files in a directory tree, so that every filename is preceded, say, by "oct-". Example: file test1.png becomes oct-test1.png. I figure it has to be done with find, -exec and mv or rename... only I don't know more than that. Anybody has a suggestion?
13:06.00alx242Coke: im playing a hell of alot of ut2004 mods today...wohoooo...:DDDD
13:06.05ricky_clarksonpatois: apt-get install impressive graphics and screensavers and funky shit, like.
13:06.06sprut4nhow can i look if the package exist?
13:06.08Cokekikinovak: read a small BASH howto. BASH can do that for you.
13:06.08JennsI think apt-get install <insert favourite window manager here> will install x
13:06.10karstenkikinovak: if the list is relatively small (< 1000): for f in *; do mv $f oct-$f; done
13:06.13ricky_clarksonsprut4n: apt-cache show thepackage
13:06.15Cokesprut4n: apt-cache search <search>
13:06.22patoissprut4n: apt-cache search
13:06.27Cokesprut4n: where <search> is your search criterias
13:06.39kikinovakkarsten problem: it's a directory tree that goes rather deep
13:06.42Jennsassuming you want a windows maanger
13:06.42sprut4noki,thx
13:06.45patoisJenns: I've seen tha KDE wasnt depending on X (if I remember well)
13:06.59stewkikinovak: find . -type f | xargs rename "s/^/oct-/"
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13:07.01kikinovakkarsten I want to rename everything below /opt/kde/share/icons/nuvola
13:07.18stewkikinovak: then replace . with /opt/kde/...
13:07.23karstenkikinovak:  there's a file rename program that does that.
13:07.23phurlanyone can tell me what packages might be causing font problems, is there a basic debian font package i can upgrade or check
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13:07.33kikinovakstew thanks
13:07.34Jennsit depends on x in sarge/woody/sid ect though doesnt it patois?
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13:07.53sprut4ni would lika to have kde but i most have x-window anyway?
13:07.54Jennsat least I think it does, its been a while since I've reinstalled x
13:07.56skyisblueRaymond: ask to the sweex team or read them.
13:08.08patoissprut4n: Yes.
13:08.11sprut4noki
13:08.16skyisblueRaymond: ask to the sweex team or read them.
13:08.31Raymondskyisblue: thnx for the info already, i try some things ...
13:08.34patoissprut4n: aptitude install kde (if you dont have aptitude then apt-get aptitude first would be good)
13:08.39kikinovakstew thanks again I'll give this a try now
13:08.43raid5sprut4n, : apt-get install x-window-system
13:08.47skyisbluegood luck for you.
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13:09.11sprut4ni should test that
13:09.13directhex|worksprut4n, you need X and you need a window manager. technically you can use KDE without X, (remotely, for example) so there's no dependancy there
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13:09.22patoisraid5: does people generaly agree that aptitude is a better interface than apt-get for end-users ?
13:09.24elnovatokde 3.4 ready??
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13:09.39patoisdirecthex|work : Hooo, you are right...
13:09.47Tetrishttp://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623
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13:10.06directhex|workpatois, aptitude handles Recommends: sensibly
13:10.13resiakIs there a saner way to run firefox through aoss than (a) just running aoss firefox at the console and changing all my shortcuts, or (b) echo aoss firefox '$*' > ~/bin/firefox ?
13:10.17raid5patois, : i just use apt-get :)
13:10.26patoisbtw, nobody to tell me more about bug 253831 ?
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13:10.42LanKuchani want to add user, using adduser -- S Radi. it has space, a win2k logon id so he can has write access to samba server. tried but failed. any specific command?
13:10.42patoiswell, I use aptitude, now, usually.
13:10.47AtropineAnyone knows an equivalent of numlockx for console mode ?
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13:10.57directhex|work!dbugs 253831
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13:11.01dpkgDONE:#253831:W[kernel-image-2.6.6-i386] kernel-image-2.6.6-i386: Requesting flavor k6
13:11.08patoisevn if sometimes I found it a bit stupid (it want to desinstall everything nobody know why)
13:11.13jethroLanKuchan: map the 2k account to unix accounts tweaking the smb.conf file
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13:12.04LanKuchanjethro: and how i do that?
13:12.04patoisright, dpkg... I have a K6-II, there is no 2.6 for it
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13:12.05stewpatois: -i386 will work fine on a k6
13:12.13patoiswhat should I install 386/586 ? Other ?
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13:12.50patoisstew : OK... If I swicth to 2.6, I'll do that, then,
13:12.54stewpatois: actually i believe -i686 will work too
13:13.05DerJamsterstew: I think he needs 586
13:13.07patoisstew: 686 is PII, no ?
13:13.11DerJamster686 should be Athlon
13:13.14directhex|work386 or 586 is correct for k6-2
13:13.21patoisdirecthex|work : tks.
13:13.30stewDerJamster: athlon is k7
13:13.30directhex|workDerJamster, 686 is intel p2 & higher. k7 for athlon
13:13.35DerJamsterstew: exactly
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13:13.43DerJamsterstew: which is why he needs 586, not 686 :)
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13:13.45raid5has anyone used OSXplanet before?
13:13.51sprut4nthx, now it works to install x
13:13.57stewDerJamster: what does 686 have to do with athlon?
13:14.05raid5http://otte.ucsc.edu/~gabriel/osxplanet.html
13:14.09patoissprut4n: great, dont forget to look a t suggested pkgs, some fonts and such
13:14.33patoishow does one get the list of suggested pkgs ? from command line ?
13:14.40DerJamsterstew: stew Athlons/K6 can use 686 distros. k6 only 586 or lower.
13:14.44jethroLanKuchan: man smb.conf perhaps
13:14.44jm_patois: apt-cache show
13:14.53patoisjm_ : thanks
13:15.13stewDerJamster: you make no sense
13:15.14LanKuchanok jethro -- googling rite now. thanks
13:15.16skyisbluepatois: aptitude
13:15.19sprut4ni should onley have it on a server
13:15.22jethroLanKuchan: yw
13:15.25DerJamsterstew: Nevermind.
13:15.52patoisskyisblue: Yes, aptitude gives recommandations when installing/upgrading; I found that usefull too.
13:16.10sprut4nTo install kde, apt-get install kdebase
13:16.10sprut4napt-get install kdelibs
13:16.10sprut4napt-get install qt
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13:16.24elnovatoapt-get install kde-3.4
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13:16.42patoissprut4n: I guess that apt-get install kde is enough
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13:16.55sprut4nbut i dont want all program
13:16.55raid5irssi seems quite similar to bitchX
13:16.59patoissprut4n: Of course, you'll get a lot.
13:17.04sprut4nit should run on a server
13:17.06patoissprut4n: OK, right, then do like you are
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13:17.14sprut4nokej
13:17.14resiakraid5: Do not spite the name of irssi by comparing it to bitchX
13:17.16resiakraid5: :)
13:17.17sprut4nthx
13:17.24raid5hehe k
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13:17.33skyisblueelnovato: elnovato: 3.4 is available on slackware only.
13:17.38skyisblueit is beta.
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13:18.31patoisresiak : What are the advantage of irssi compared to bitchx; except having a decent name ?
13:18.56resiakpatois: I've never used bitchx, to be 100% honest :)
13:19.06directhex|workpatois, not being rediculously insecure
13:19.15ricky_clarksonpatois: irssi doesn't have stupid default quit messages.
13:19.32patoisdirecthex|work : that's a good enough reason. Are the basics command set compatibles ?
13:19.37elnovatoim on SID skyisblue, when will be available?
13:19.47BartVBhmm. one screen on my computer takes approx 8 MB of (video) memory. My videocard has 128MB so it should easily be
13:19.50BartVB<PROTECTED>
13:19.53resiakelnovato: If you're on Sid, you should know the answer to that.
13:19.53BartVB<PROTECTED>
13:19.57jethro!tell elnovato about wir
13:20.09Tetrishttp://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623
13:21.05directhex|workBartVB, largely an X issue
13:21.07skyisblueelinks and tirc is my friends.
13:21.10sprut4n"Select the desired X server driver." Vesa, apm etc.
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13:21.18ricky_clarksonWhat's the smallest thing I can use to view powerpoint files?
13:21.27jeromegood afternoon all
13:21.30raid5in fluxbox is fbdesk the best app to get desktop icons?
13:21.34ricky_clarksonOr maybe I can just make pdfs from them from openoffice.
13:21.35directhex|workricky_clarkson, wine and microsoft powerpoint viewer
13:21.39raid5i used fbdesk..it seems pretty buggy
13:21.39sprut4ni don´t now what gfx i have in it
13:21.43ricky_clarksondirecthex|work: Nein danke.
13:21.54jeromeraid5: try rox-filer pinboard
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13:22.38cougggghello
13:22.54BartVBdirecthex|work: Hmm, but I should be able to just define a 1920x1440 times 4 resolution and scroll with my mouse.. At least I'm able to do that when I view one 1920x1440 desktop after pressing CTRL-ALT-- in X..
13:22.54cougggggot a problem with my debian
13:23.03jetscreamer!info ppthtml
13:23.09dpkgppthtml: (A program for converting Microsoft Power Point Files .ppt), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 92 kB
13:23.20jetscreamersays it converts to html though
13:23.20directhex|workBartVB, get hacking on the xorg sources!
13:23.46resiakcougggg: So ask the question.
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13:23.55BartVBdirecthex|work: :D Still running on Xfree86 (default sarge stuff) and no time for hacking besides Jabber and phpBB stuff :P
13:23.57couggggmakefile:27: *** linux kernel not found how to do?
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13:24.09resiak!kill phpBB
13:24.13patoisHi again
13:24.14ricky_clarksoncougggg: What are you doing?
13:24.19patois(using irssi)
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13:24.28raid5Jeroen_, : hmm...im looking for desktop icon app..not a file manager ;)
13:24.41ricky_clarksonraid5: nautilus
13:24.52skyisbluecougggg: what are you trying to do?
13:24.55couggggwould like install module for my dfe-530tx
13:24.55resiakraid5: rox-filer can do desktop icons.
13:25.01patoishumm, not as many colors than with bi*x by default
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13:25.11resiakpatois: That's to be construed as a feature, I suspect.
13:25.20patois(that's a very strong argument, I know ;-)
13:25.21daggyDoes anybody know a good bittorent client for linux (must be console)
13:25.30skyisbluecougggg: what is dfe-530tx?
13:25.32jm_daggy: apt-cache search torrent
13:25.34neeneeapt-get install bittorrent
13:25.35ricky_clarksonapt-cache search...
13:25.40stewdaggy: bittornado
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13:25.56raid5resiak, : yer how?
13:26.01neeneebittornado has an odd color problem :|
13:26.01daggystew: i tryd installing bittornado but ..... how do i start it?
13:26.04soadtu puta madre
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13:26.05Mage\workdaggy: btdownloadmanycurses
13:26.14neeneeor btdownloadcurses
13:26.17neeneewhat's the many for?
13:26.27resiakraid5: Read its docs. I can't remember offhand.
13:26.35Mage\workmany .torrent
13:26.39neeneeoh.
13:26.47Mage\workeh >:o
13:26.49jeromeI have a laptop with a external TFT monitor, plugged on an ATI radeon 7500, set up for dual head, works fine with X. However, when I switch to VT from X (ctrl+alt+Fx) the display is all wrong on both monitors, it seems both are divided vertically and messed up enough to make it unreadable. I use vesafb and not radeonfb (because of some hang on problems at resume from suspend to ram). Any advice ?
13:26.52ricky_clarksoncougggg: You accidentally started talking to me in private message.
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13:27.00skyisbluefirst bittorrent victim arrested in Hong Kong, FYI.
13:27.00ricky_clarksoncougggg: Please adjust your client accordingly.
13:27.04daggystew: i tryd installing bittornado but ..... how do i start it?
13:27.14couggggafter i retry?
13:27.15stewdaggy: btdownloadcurses
13:27.21karstenskyisblue: Reported yesterday.
13:27.26ricky_clarksoncougggg: I don't know, I've never done what you say.
13:27.31sprut4nkeyboard model, pc104?
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13:28.07ricky_clarksoncougggg: You should speak to the people who wrote your IRC client about that little "pebkac" error.
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13:28.22couggggd-link give all files in *.C and *.h and makefile too
13:28.38ricky_clarkson!qotd0
13:28.39dpkg<Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it
13:28.51ricky_clarksonThat never gets old.
13:28.57resiak:D
13:29.03directhex|work8o
13:29.17couggggand after i have to do a .O file
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13:29.40ricky_clarksonbeezly: You a steenky.
13:29.47beezlyricky_clarkson: yeah, you too
13:30.22couggggi got 3 file.c and 6fil.h is it too mutch to use gcc -d ?
13:30.41skyisbluecougggg: /j #c
13:31.23patoisYep ?
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13:31.47sciboyStepmania isn't playing nice with ALSA =(
13:31.49couggggskyisblue i m a new user for linux
13:32.02suifursciboy: kick it
13:32.05Shadurcougggg: What's that have to do with anything?
13:32.08resiaksciboy: Tried aoss stepmaker?
13:32.21raid5fav default shell?
13:32.27raid5tcsh or bash? sh?
13:32.34resiak!poll
13:32.35dpkgYou wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me!
13:32.39skyisbluecougggg: what are you trying to do? (again)
13:33.01cougggginstall module for my ethernet card
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13:33.23couggggd-link dfe-530tx
13:33.23skyisblueraid5: bash
13:33.33raid5cool
13:33.37raid5no one lick tcsh ?
13:33.38raid5:)
13:33.42raid5like
13:33.44raid5:)
13:33.44VivekVCShadur: your nick looks undernetish to me :)
13:33.52daggystew: is it possibel to make so like btdownloadcurses scans a dir every five min and if it found a .torrent it starts download it?
13:33.58skyisbluecougggg: /msg dpkg mepis
13:34.16Jennsdaggy, you could make a simple shell script to do it
13:34.22sciboyresiak, What is that?
13:34.28jm_Jenns: that would mean start a new instance of it
13:34.37Jennsyeah true :-/
13:34.39ShadurCould very well be.
13:34.54Shadurdaggy: btlaunchmanycurses already does that.
13:34.59jm_that's why I don't likt bittornado, you can hardly change anything during its run-time
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13:35.08daggyShadur: aha how?
13:35.22Shadurdaggy: the FM is YF.
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13:35.37daggyShadur: ehm sorry what? ;)
13:35.38resiaksciboy: Prefixing a command with aoss provides it with a wrapper so that it appears to be using OSS, but is in fact using ALSA. apt-get install alsa-oss if you haven't already.
13:35.45jetscreameri thought bittornado supplied btmanycurses
13:35.49couggggskyis blue : the problem is that file gived by d-link have to be compile with makefile
13:35.53jm_it does yes
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13:36.00skyisbluegood night.
13:36.03sciboyresiak, Thanks.
13:36.14daggyShadur: dont i need to set a flag on btlaunchmanycurses so it will check a dir every five min and then it will start downloading
13:36.31MerlinCoreyI'm messing about with my laptop.  Usually use just the wireless interface, so the ethernet is not at all configured...  I tried configuring it "eth1 inet dhcp" in interfaces .  trying to bring it up gives me something not unlike http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2004/12/3/266909 except my irda doesn't bitch.  perhaps I'm missing a kernel module (though I have in fact used this ethernet port before)..?
13:37.00couggggand when i try to compile ans:
13:37.02MerlinCorey!comfort jetscreamer
13:37.03dpkgThere, there, jetscreamer.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
13:37.19jetscreamerhey least i'm getting paid
13:37.24MerlinCoreyaye
13:37.31couggggmakefile:27: *** linux kernel source not found
13:37.44jm_MerlinCorey: how is that related to networking?
13:37.48resiakcougggg: So... install the headers.
13:38.05jm_MerlinCorey: doh, forgot to paste ending '9' ;)
13:38.14couggggheader source i do it 3 time with dselect
13:38.19MerlinCoreyjm_: heehee.  and a little lower down starts off talking about power and apm/acpi
13:38.21resiakcougggg: apt-cache search kernel-headers; pick the one which matches your kernel; apt-get install kernel-headers-foo
13:38.24raid5xmule is a bit buggy
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13:38.32Shadurdaggy: Doesn't the documentation explain how to do it?
13:38.33raid5anything better out there than xmule?
13:38.46MerlinCoreyjust more or less not an error message I'm familiar with and googling it gave me that page...
13:38.55MerlinCoreyI suspect perhaps kernel module, though
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13:39.09jm_MerlinCorey: tried removing the module prior to suspend?
13:39.15jetscreamercougggg, there are 2 diff header dirs in /usr/src when you apt-get install headers... you need to use the one with the -k7 or -686 ... (does that apply?)
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13:39.42covuxwhere can i find an up to date step by step tutorial for building debs from source? thankx
13:39.42patoiscougggg: uname -a we'll know wich kernel you use
13:39.49MerlinCoreyjm_: talking about following (two line paste, safe :) )
13:39.50MerlinCoreyeth1: unknown hardware address type 24
13:39.51MerlinCoreysit0: unknown hardware address type 776
13:39.59Shadurcovux: apt-get install debscripts; man dh_make
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13:40.38MerlinCoreyI have used it before and I'm pretty sure it was under this kernel
13:40.55daggyShadur: --round_robin_period ( is it that one )?
13:41.09sciboyresiak, Thanks, its now working beautifully =D
13:41.09covuxShadur: thanks alot.. google confused me with lots of more or less complete how tos
13:41.12MerlinCoreyset up exactly like I have it now, I just commented it out after I was done with it, so it wouldn't be brought up under normal operations
13:41.12cougggg2.4.18
13:41.19Raymondwhere can i load my network card module ?
13:41.19takatumicougggg: won't that card work with the via-rhine module?
13:41.21daggyShadur: no i found it...  --parse_dir_interval - am i right?
13:41.27sciboyresiak, Had to force it to use dsp0 though =P
13:41.48couggggdont know
13:41.51Shadurdaggy: What does the documentation say about it? Have you tried it?
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13:42.06ShadurI'm not your teacher. You don't have to hold up your solutions to my scrutiny.
13:42.23resiaksciboy: Thanks for letting me know: I'll try doing that if I have problems in future.
13:42.34takatumicougggg: give it a try, modprobe via-rhine
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13:43.17couggggi am not on my pc
13:43.28MerlinCoreyRaymond: modconf
13:43.35couggggafter modprobe what will have to do?
13:43.42kuruminwhat you find debian?
13:43.54MerlinCoreykurumin: it found me
13:44.08covuxShadur: could it be that the package is called devscripts ?
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13:44.27Shadurcovux: That was it, yeah.
13:44.49sprut4napt-get install kdelibs
13:44.49sprut4napt-get install qt
13:45.00takatumicougggg: not much, if it works
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13:45.08sprut4nit don´t work to download
13:45.12couggggok
13:45.12kuruminAlguém aí do Brasil?
13:45.14couggggty
13:45.19covuxShadur: hm. still no dh_make.
13:45.22jetscreamerRaymond, http://scyld.com/network.html to find out which module, then use modprobe or modconf to load em
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13:45.32jetscreamer!portuguese
13:45.32dpkgfrom memory, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.
13:45.43couggggtakatumi and i can erase d-lik file
13:45.46MerlinCoreyjm_: am I to take silence as "bah, modconf already!" ? :)
13:45.47mdpdoes anyone know how to fix the display of a program call dialog
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13:46.07RolandUhi all
13:46.09mr_obbI am doing a net install. My computer hang during downloading the packages. After rebooting it hasn't reloaded the via-rhine module, so I can't choose a network install. Is there a solution?
13:46.11Shadurcovux: debhelper
13:46.13MerlinCorey!hi RolandU
13:46.14dpkgLong days and pleasant nights, sai RolandU!
13:46.18takatumicougggg: don't erase anything until you get it working
13:46.24sprut4nanyone know if kdelibs and gt works?
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13:46.39jetscreamermdp that's 'probably, or could be,' utf8 vs iso8859-1
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13:47.01RolandUare there size limitations for harddisks on Pention 1-era IDE-ports?
13:47.06schizoschafolla
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13:47.15Zetabyte2RolandU, yes, often 20gb or less
13:47.26greycat*where* did you pull "20gb" from?
13:47.27Shaduror dh-make
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13:47.30schizoschafmaking new kernel... is der an open driver for the geforce2 now?
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13:47.36Zetabyte2my posterior.
13:47.37_eugenesan_hi all, how do i change ARCH settings for GCC ?
13:47.41covuxShadur: dephelper includes dh_makeshlibs
13:47.42jm_MerlinCorey: did you try what I asked above?
13:47.47greycat_eugenesan_: man gcc
13:47.55RolandUasus seems to have a policy of not telling anyone about that
13:48.06Zetabyte2i remember that many proprietary compaq bios's had a 20gb limit.  what was the LBA mode limit?
13:48.12Zetabyte28gb?
13:48.16MerlinCoreyjm_: removing module after suspend?  to be honest, I wasn't sure what you meant by suspend in this case :/
13:48.21ml267i seem to remember some bios limitations at around 8GB, then around 32GB
13:48.23covuxShadur: got it. dh-make was it. thx
13:48.27jm_MerlinCorey: no, before
13:48.33RolandUmy new 160gb LBA-mode 4 shows up as 8gb
13:48.37greycatRolandU: the point is, "it depends on your BIOS"
13:48.51RolandUso can I just upgrade the bios?
13:48.51MerlinCorey08:37 < jm_> MerlinCorey: doh, forgot to paste ending '9' ;)
13:48.51MerlinCorey08:37 < MerlinCorey> jm_: heehee.  and a little lower down starts off talking about power and apm/acpi
13:48.54MerlinCorey08:38 < jm_> MerlinCorey: tried removing the module prior to suspend?
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13:49.01greycatRolandU: that would be a good thing to start with
13:49.02Zetabyte2RolandU, yeh, it's an LBA thing then - have you looked for LBA mode listed in the bios anywhere?
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13:49.06jetscreamermdp, dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-common 'may' help, not sure
13:49.09ml267RolandU: sometimes you can flash the bios to update it
13:49.20RolandUZetabyte, it says LBA mode 4...... no idea about LBAs
13:49.24elnovatoRolandU: i exchange my 40 gb for yours :D
13:49.38jm_MerlinCorey: that URL talks about problems after someone resumes his/her laptop
13:49.40jetscreamerthere's lba, then there's mode4
13:49.55jetscreamermode4 is udma2 isn't it
13:49.58jetscreameraka ata33
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13:50.02MerlinCoreyjm_: I was just pointing there for the error message...  sorry for confusion :).
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13:50.23MerlinCoreyas that was the best result of the first three google results for the message
13:50.25RolandUit says something about udma 33 in the manual, but in my opinion that just tells me about speed, not size
13:50.30DebUser_!ping DebUser_
13:50.30_eugenesan_greycat: (about GCC settings) i wonder how do i reconfigure GCC-ARCH with debconf
13:50.33jetscreameryes speed
13:50.36Zetabyte2RolandU, another suggestion, if all else fails you can get a sepearte PCI controller card (ensure it's a supported chipset).  Controller cards have their own bios's and as long as it's recently made, it should work fine.
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13:50.44ml267I wanted to look at my packages list and list them by installed size.  I could spend a bunch of time cobbling together a perl script, but i'm wondering if there's already a utility to do something like this?
13:50.49greycat!gentoosmite _eugenesan_
13:50.50sprut4ngdm or xdm?
13:50.52jetscreamerRolandU, the best way is to go to the manuf. site and look up the specs on the mb
13:51.05MerlinCoreyjm_: my problem is, I have it configured in /etc/network/interfaces and then I ifup eth1 and I get those "unknown hardware type" errors on sit0 and eth1
13:51.09greycatml267: /msg dpkg ds
13:51.16resiakMerlinCorey: Ignore those. They're irrelevant.
13:51.19MerlinCoreyand I must also be honest and say I have no idea where the sit0 is coming from, because I didn't put it in there
13:51.22jetscreamersprut4n, you'll like gdm better if that's what you were asking
13:51.29greycat!sit0
13:51.35resiakMerlinCorey: sit0 is the IPv6 bridge, and eth1 is ip over 1394
13:51.36sprut4noki thx :)
13:51.36greycathmm.
13:51.43MerlinCoreyhm
13:51.49MerlinCoreymaybe that's why it isn't getting an IP?
13:51.54MerlinCoreyit thinks it is IPv6....?
13:51.55elnovatoRolandU: are you using 80 pins ide cable?
13:51.56ml267greycat: thx
13:52.16MerlinCoreyI mean, the NIC light is on and the light is on the router, as well
13:52.17jetscreamerit doesn't seem to do ata66
13:52.18Zetabyte2interfaces can have an IPv4 and IPv6 address at the same time.
13:52.18jm_MerlinCorey: yes, do ifconfig -a to see if it lists your cards, then also do lspci -v and cat /proc/interrupts and try to link the IRQ-s
13:52.35_eugenesan_greycat: it's fun, but i need to patch posfix on SPARC, and can't compile :-(
13:52.52jetscreamerso why would he need an 80
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13:53.00RolandUelnovato, are there any other?
13:53.18MerlinCoreyjm_: it is my understanding ifconfig -a brings up interfaces with the "auto interface#" before the stanza...  I just added it (but trying anywhom)
13:53.24MerlinCoreys/whom/way
13:53.26elnovato40
13:53.29MerlinCorey(sorry, waaaay past bed time)
13:53.34RolandUelnovato, I use that type I always use since 486
13:53.35jetscreamerthat's what the manpage said MerlinCorey
13:53.38jm_MerlinCorey: naah, it mentions all of them, even unconfigured ones, as long as driver has found it
13:53.41MerlinCoreyah
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13:53.43MerlinCoreyifup -a
13:53.43MerlinCoreysee
13:53.44MerlinCorey:P
13:53.58GlitchMasterYa know, I'm getting kind of sick of this. I may have Sarge, but that's no excuse for the OS making some sort of fatal error (rarely the same) every time I leave it running for more than 8 hours... and IDLING! >_<
13:54.10RolandUthe manufacturer's website says maximum harddisk size = 128 gb
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13:54.30MerlinCoreyheh, ifconfig -a would have told me what sit0 is :)
13:54.30jetscreamerthere ya go
13:54.31greycat_eugenesan_: what the fuck are you talking about?  Why can't you compile it, and what does that have to do with your Gentoo-like question about changing compiler options?
13:54.36Zetabyte2RolandU, that's odd, it shoudl see it as 128gb then =/
13:55.09greycatGlitchMaster: bad hardware?
13:55.12takatumiGlitchMaster: could be a glitch in your RAM
13:55.21otto_Does 1.2.3.0/10 mean the range, that consists of adresses from 1.2.3.0 through 1.2.3.10 ?
13:55.26Zetabyte2oh, oh, memtest86 to the rescue!
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13:55.32greycatotto_: no, it does not.
13:55.39joefsoje moeder ook
13:55.45toresbeGlitchMaster: memtest is your friend
13:55.45greycat1.2.3.0/10 isn't even a meaningful network address specification.
13:55.46MerlinCoreyeth1      Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 00-0B-CD-71-A0-8A-3D-6F-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00  || this seems very wrong / bad
13:55.52toresbejoefso: wtf?
13:56.00greycat1.2.3.0 uses a full 24 bits to express, so giving it a 10-bit netmask doesn't mean much.
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13:56.11St0n3-C0lWhere I can find some mirrors for debian testing ??
13:56.12joefsotoresbe: ?
13:56.15greycatSt0n3-C0l: /msg dpkg mirrors
13:56.17GlitchMasterYeah... I suppose those are both possible. I need a new board (FUCKING ASUS! MUST... MAUL... ASUS...), and I could use more RAM too... (258MB IS NOT ENOUGH GODDAMNIT!)
13:56.20GlitchMasterSorry. I'
13:56.22joefsotoresbe: you speak dutch? :D
13:56.25GlitchMasterI've only just woken up.
13:56.25_eugenesan_greycat: On sparc there are 5  ARCHs, while installing i chosen the wrong one. And now i can't apt-build or use GCC. Nothing to do with gentoo or optimization.
13:56.34otto_greycat, so when exim wants me to specify a whole network it's just the first node?
13:56.49jm_MerlinCorey: that's probably because it's eth. over firewire as someone said
13:56.50mdpthe dialog program still does not display properly
13:56.50sciboyhttp://www.ddrpalace.com/Videos/v_trick_master.wmv
13:56.54sciboyWoah.
13:56.57GlitchMasterI need money. -.-
13:56.58greycatotto_: you really, really need to learn how IP works if you plan to run a mail gateway for a whole network.
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13:57.08toresbejoefso: Ik heb tien maanden in Belgie gewoont... And the odds of someone speaking dutch in a 800-person channel are quite large
13:57.21greycatotto_: why don't you tell us what you WANT, and then we'll tell you how to WRITE it.  Don't make up random shit like "1.2.3.0/10".
13:57.21mdpthe dpkg change the display but is still not right
13:57.31MerlinCoreyjm_: well, I have indeed used it before.  :/  it's an RJ45 connector
13:57.32takatumiMerlinCorey: that's how mine is configured as well, eth1 is firewire, eth2 the NIC
13:57.34otto_greycat, yep
13:57.44joefsotoresbe: lol, yes verkeerd window
13:57.55St0n3-C0lwell i'll get latest packages thru apt-get right ??
13:58.00MerlinCoreytakatumi: ah, well..  like I said earlier, I had only 1 thing in interfaces until I started trying to get this to work
13:58.07St0n3-C0lIf i use stable so not only of Stable list ?
13:58.20MerlinCoreytakatumi: so...  is eth1 "assumed" firewire, then?
13:58.31MerlinCoreyor then
13:58.36MerlinCoreymaybe now I'm getting somewher
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13:58.47jm_MerlinCorey: not in general, no
13:58.50Zetabyte2otto_: it's heavily related to CIDR and networking and subnetting and lengthy-to-explain stuff, but long story short, A.B.C.D can be represented by 32 digits in binary.  if your network is A.B.C.0, which has A.B.C.0 to A.B.C.255, then the last 8 bits are all the machine number, and the first 24 bits are the network name.  therefore, that network is A.B.C.0/24
13:58.58MerlinCoreyperhaps I should read about interfaces more carefully and see how to bind the stanza to a particular hardware address?
13:59.36takatumiMerlinCorey: if you don't have any other hunches, probably assume :)
13:59.43GlitchMastertoresbe: Memtest?
13:59.53MerlinCoreytakatumi: I've done run plumb out of hunches :)
14:00.03Zetabyte2!memtest
14:00.03dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, memtest is http://www.memtest86.com/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/
14:00.17MerlinCoreythank you for your time and help, jm_ and takatumi :)
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14:00.32RolandUI don't want to spend another 150 ¤ on a new mainboard & processor
14:01.08Zetabyte2RolandU, you can probably get around it with a cheap IDE controller card, does it have PCI slots available?
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14:01.21toresbejoefso: ah :)
14:01.24RolandUno more IRQs
14:01.33Zetabyte2oh =/
14:01.50GlitchMasterI certainly hope that name is a joke...
14:02.03toresbesciboy: a friend of mine is into that stuff
14:02.03GlitchMasterOr an uneducated choice of some sort...
14:02.04jetscreamermodded bios could possibly give you ioapic
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14:02.19toresbesciboy: And I've seen far more amazing vids
14:02.25bytecolorjust for gits and shiggles
14:02.28takatumiMerlinCorey: try pump instead of running out of plumb maybe ;)
14:02.29RolandUZetabyte, will that be bootable?
14:02.34toresbesciboy: Though that was indeed impressive
14:02.34Zetabyte2yes
14:02.41Zetabyte2well...probably.
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14:02.56Zetabyte2i think the mobo bios has to support booting off-board bioses.
14:03.05toresbesciboy: I have to brag that I have witnessed the playing of MAX300 (the most difficult tune) first-hand
14:03.09TubezGreetings.
14:03.18sciboytoresbe, It just amazes me how much they can move when all they have to do is to his 4 pads in time =P
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14:03.30pepsi_maby wrong channel but.. just installed debian. where do I put stuff that I used to put in ~/.xinitrc ?
14:03.36toresbesciboy: heh
14:03.36sciboyhit*
14:03.46toresbesciboy: believe me, it's quite difficult
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14:04.05jetscreamerpepsi_, .xsession maybe, not sure
14:04.06takatumipepsi_: try ~/.Xsession
14:04.11GlitchMastertoresbe: Memtest?
14:04.13pepsi_takatumi: thx
14:04.13sciboytoresbe, I bet, i am just checking out all these moves causing i am getting my first DDR mat for my pc =)
14:04.17Zetabyte2!xinitrc
14:04.17dpkghmm... xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession")
14:04.28TubezI'm lookign for a distro to run on my laptop (old vaio) and from what i read debian is one of the better options. So here the question, can i hope for some decent laptop hardware autodetection?
14:04.29toresbeGlitchMaster: It's a memory test program
14:04.30Zilchhey, how can I get the adsl scripts to work with sarge netinstall ?
14:04.45toresbeGlitchMaster: The problems you are having can be explained by failed RAM
14:04.48toresbe!memtest86
14:04.48dpkgmethinks memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/
14:04.51toresbe!memtest
14:04.52dpkghmm... memtest is http://www.memtest86.com/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/
14:05.00GlitchMastertoresbe: I figured that much, but the command is not "memtest", though it might somehow not be installed...
14:05.02toresbeGlitchMaster: read what the bot said
14:05.24toresbeGlitchMaster: apt-get install memtest86
14:05.37GlitchMasterAh.
14:05.54mdpcan anyone run the program dialog and have the display look correctly
14:05.59pngwnTubez, try the d-i and don't forget to read the FAQ that is in the topic
14:06.00greycatyes
14:06.56Zilchhelp help
14:07.04MerlinCoreyfire fire
14:07.10Tubezpngwn: What's a "d-i"? And yeah, will check it out thank. I've had a bunch of distros on the thing. So far the best hardware support was with MDK, but i couldnt stand the rest of it ;)
14:07.18Zilchhey
14:07.20mdpgreycat is that in a xwindow terminal
14:07.20greycator maybe the answer you were looking for is "No, not just *anyone* can run it... only people with computers that are running Debian and which have dialog installed on them."
14:07.22johnywhat debina packet contain the perl Time::HiRes modules?
14:07.27Zilchhow do I get gcc working with debian sarge netinstall
14:07.27johnydebian :)
14:07.37greycatZilch: apt-get install build-essential
14:07.38pngwnTubez, /msg dpkg d-i
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14:07.55Zilchgreycat: I can't get my internet to work
14:08.00pepsi_takatumi: My X refuses to start if I put anything in .xsession or in .xinitrc.. you know why??
14:08.07greycatZilch: then I'd say you have a bigger problem than gcc.
14:08.10ZilchI need the adsl-* scripts
14:08.15Tubezpngwn: nifty, thanks. Precisely the kind of hint i needed ;)
14:08.19greycatZilch: cd /usr/share/doc/pppoe; ls
14:08.25takatumipepsi_: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for lines with EE
14:09.09Zetabyte2Does anyone here have experience building/using dlxOS or the dlx Simulator, on debian or otherwise?
14:09.11Zilchgreycat: I did that, my internet connection is authenticated by an access concentrator with pppoe
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14:09.30pepsi_takatumi: nothing there =/
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14:09.56GlitchMastertoresbe: Firstly, even if it is a memory issue of that nature, the site lacks a patch for this kernel version. Secondly, what is the command to run memtest?!
14:09.58takatumipepsi_: what did you put in .xsession or .xinitrc?
14:10.01thi_nohi
14:10.09pepsi_takatumi: xmodmap .Xmodmap
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14:10.20Zilchgreycat: I got the rp-pppoe tarball and tried to configure, but theres no gcc
14:10.32Zetabyte2GlitchMaster, if you read up on it more, you'd see it is not a command, it's a self-contained OS that loads at boot, and tests your memory.
14:10.42toresbeZetabyte2: he read up
14:10.43greycatZilch: so download the crap you need for your not-really-an-Internet-connection and then transfer it to the sarge box via removable media.
14:10.55greycatZilch: or just put the sarge box inside a fucking NAT like any normal sane person would.
14:10.56Husk1whats the easyest package to configure X?
14:11.03toresbeZetabyte2: he was referring to the badmem patch that allows the kernel to use only the non-defective areas of RAM
14:11.09GlitchMasterZetabyte: ...Oh.
14:11.10Zetabyte2oh, my bad
14:11.11greycat(unless you planned for the sarge box to *be* the NAT that all the rest of the network plans to use)
14:11.35takatumipepsi_: which WM?
14:11.38Zilchnopes, just a client
14:12.00toresbeZetabyte2: there is a command named memtest - but it won't let you test it - however, installing memtest86, the package, should allow you to reboot with memtest
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14:12.17pepsi_takatumi: fluxbox... which leads me to my second question.. where does that get executed?? it used to be the last line in .xinitrc
14:12.19Zetabyte2toresbe, that's how i understood it to work
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14:12.44GlitchMasterHonestly though, if I had bad RAM, wouldn't I have more severe issues than this?
14:12.48toresbeZetabyte2: whooops. sorry, that was for glitchmaster
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14:13.07takatumipepsi_: try adding exec fluxbox
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14:13.15toresbeGlitchMaster: you'd be surprised of the subtlety of a single-bit/byte ram error
14:13.21Zetabyte2GlitchMaster, sometimes it's a weird address, maybe just one byte is bad, and it onyl actally causes problems intermittently.
14:13.26jetscreamerbad ram can seem to work
14:13.34greycatGlitchMaster: you could have a failing motherboard/powersupply
14:13.35pepsi_takatumi: why? fluxbox is started as it should! without any .xinitrc or .xsession files at all
14:13.36St0n3-C0lhey
14:13.37toresbeGlitchMaster: BTW, don't install memtest86, try memtest86+
14:13.40toresbeGlitchMaster: seemed better
14:13.41jetscreamerbut causes file corruption on_write
14:13.51St0n3-C0lcan anyone temme whatz the size of Debian Sarge CD1 ?
14:13.56St0n3-C0lAfter downloading ??
14:14.04jetscreamer700mb?
14:14.18St0n3-C0lu sure ?
14:14.21thi_no< 650 MB
14:14.21toresbeSt0n3-C0l: Are you talking about the netinstall CD?
14:14.26jetscreamerno i'm not
14:14.27St0n3-C0lnah
14:14.30St0n3-C0lnormal
14:14.32takatumipepsi_: so the WM starts fine?
14:14.34St0n3-C0lless than
14:14.47St0n3-C0lin site 644mb is written but when i downloaded the file
14:14.49pepsi_takatumi: yes =) thats why I wonder where it gets executed
14:14.49jetscreamerdo md5sum
14:14.52St0n3-C0lit was showing me 708mb
14:15.00jetscreamermd5sum it
14:15.05toresbedo an md5sum
14:15.08St0n3-C0lI removed that file :P
14:15.10greycatSt0n3-C0l: It literally says "7" "0" "8" "m" "b"?
14:15.13St0n3-C0lnow re-downloading it
14:15.17jetscreamerhey what a great idea toresbe !!!
14:15.19greycatwhat a fucking moron.
14:15.19St0n3-C0lyeah it says :P
14:15.24greycatSt0n3-C0l: what is "it"?
14:15.25St0n3-C0llol
14:15.33toresbejetscreamer: I innovate, Microsoft-style!
14:15.36St0n3-C0l708mb
14:15.52toresbejetscreamer: Actually, it was just the SSH lag - I typed it before your msg reached me :)
14:15.54greycat09:15 CTCP VERSION reply from St0n3-C0l: mIRC 6.16 by St0n3-C0l for further
14:15.56St0n3-C0lgreycat on windows atm :P
14:15.58greycatFucking.  Windows.
14:16.04jm_heh
14:16.08jm_how typical
14:16.13St0n3-C0llol
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14:16.21takatumipepsi_: probably the alternatives system, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager should show you the default, I use GDM so ain't too sure.
14:16.22greycatNot that the l33t-sp3ak-n1ck wasn't a strong clue....
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14:16.27GlitchMastertoresbe/Zetabyte2: This seems to be more of a video problem. If the machine goes into standby, or if certain memory-grabbing screensavers hit, the kernel locks up. However... at the same time this would explain a lot, as it hasn't used the swap file ONCE, yet uses almost ALL of the RAM. So, it might not handle a higher point than the memory itself can handle (without the swap). Though, that sleep lockup is more likely a vide
14:16.27GlitchMastero/board issue, isn't it?
14:16.30toresbebe nice, people
14:16.45greycatbut we're *not* nice people!
14:16.55toresbegreycat: true :)
14:16.56jetscreamer!nice people
14:16.57St0n3-C0lhha
14:16.59greycatwe've got published references to prove it!
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14:17.11FieldySnutshaha
14:17.13jetscreamer!renice ppl
14:17.17toresbejetscreamer: Haha
14:17.19FieldySnuts@win arstechnica
14:17.19jetscreamer!shoot bot
14:17.20abrotmangreycat: and testimonials!
14:17.21ravenbirdCongratulations, arstechnica! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
14:17.40toresbeSt0n3-C0l: I do find both your nick and spelling horrid, however, I'll be happy to help you install Linux :P
14:17.42pepsi_takatumi: thx!
14:17.48raid5in fluxbox..how do i start a program without title bar?
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14:17.55Indalhmm is there a way of decoding a .htpasswd
14:18.05ShadurIndal: Brute force.
14:18.08Indalis it md5? or is it in something like base64
14:18.09greycatNow, as a non-nice but experienced-in-the-ways-of-evil person, I *do* happen to know that you can drop down to a command line in ANY version of Microsoft Windows and run "dir" to get the ACTUAL NAME and ACTUAL SIZE of a file.
14:18.15Indalhmm i could just change it i suppose
14:18.20ShadurIndal: Sorry, your script kiddie tendencies will have to go unfulfilled by us
14:18.20GlitchMasterI feel that the chatspeak "thx" basically says "THUX"
14:18.28GlitchMasterOr more properly, "THUKS"
14:18.28pepsi_raid5: you can save the program-look without the title-bar and it will be started without it next time
14:18.32FieldySnutsnah it means "i'm an idiot and too lazy to type"
14:18.37greycatAnd it won't be some mamby-pamby "mb" size listing either.  It'll be in bytes, like god intended.
14:18.39IndalShadur: don't judge people by your own standards
14:18.48raid5pepsi: how do i save the programm look?
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14:18.56St0n3-C0ltoresbe: i know how to install Linux and i use Fedora Core 3
14:19.05pepsi_raid5: "remember" after right clicking on the titlebar
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14:19.13greycat(Although you might have to paste the two parts of the name together, in MS-DOS, because it replaces the period with whitespace.)
14:19.19toresbeSt0n3-C0l: oh dear, FC3 - then i'll be REALLY happy to help you install Debian :P
14:19.20FieldySnutswell, you know how to use fedora, fedora likes to hide "linux"
14:19.22pepsi_raid5: I believe "decorations" is what you are looking for
14:19.23jetscreamerconfiguring COM+ oh BOY!
14:19.25ShadurIndal: You'd rather that I judge people by standards I don't even hold myself to? Who do you think I am, Jerry Falwell?
14:19.33toresbeFieldySnuts: no, it means "I don't know it's concidered lame on IRC and I'm amused by the novelty"
14:19.37GlitchMasterThis seems to be more of a video problem. If the machine goes into standby, or if certain memory-grabbing screensavers hit, the kernel locks up. However... at the same time this would explain a lot, as it hasn't used the swap file ONCE, yet uses almost ALL of the RAM. So, it might not handle a higher point than the memory itself can handle (without the swap). Though, that sleep lockup is more likely a video/board issue, isn'
14:19.37GlitchMastert it?
14:19.42FieldySnutsShadur: LOL
14:19.43GlitchMaster(pardon the repeat)
14:19.48St0n3-C0ltoresbe: ehe :P Sarge includes with Text Installer thats the reason im installin Sarge :P
14:19.51toresbeGlitchMaster: Well, yeah
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14:19.56greycatGlitchMaster: how much RAM?
14:20.03FieldySnutstoresbe: well fine, it means i don't pay attention to people who talk like that, if they can't be bothered to spell right (or at least try), i can't be bothered to care
14:20.09jetscreamerGlitchMaster, memory is released as needed, it all gets taken up by tmpfs iirc
14:20.13FieldySnutsyes that was a semi-ripoff of a bot factoid
14:20.14St0n3-C0lStable contains old stuff and gives headache :>
14:20.18greycatGlitchMaster: and is it a Compaq?
14:20.19GlitchMastergreycat: 256MB.
14:20.24GlitchMasterNo, it is not a compaq.
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14:20.35toresbeFieldySnuts: I introduced a physics professor to IRC and she typed LIEK THIS PLZ KTHX :) :) LOL
14:20.38GlitchMasterIt is a custom built: ASUS board, AMD Athlon XP, etc.
14:20.39greycathmm, 256 MB is well below the 1 GB that would cause the problem I was thinking of....
14:20.47IndalWell the like applies, you judged me by standards i don't hold by
14:20.47raid5pepsi_, : yer that will save the decorations it currently have..but how do i get rid of the title bar?
14:20.49toresbegreycat: is it really?
14:20.56takatumigreycat: why the specific reference to Compaq?
14:21.01GlitchMasterMy own creation... I regret ever choosing ASUS.
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14:21.11St0n3-C0ltoresbe: I am just waiting for my 700mb cdr :P if that iso really got the filesize of 700mb
14:21.12St0n3-C0leh
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14:21.16jetscreamerasus makes stable boards don't they
14:21.18FieldySnutsi've an asus a7m266-d, love it. though their lower end boards suck
14:21.18RikClarkanyone know please how to get two cups servers on different subnets talking?
14:21.19pepsi_raid5: what exactly do you mean with titlebar?
14:21.27greycattakatumi: I was thinking that if he had 1 GB or more, he might have to boot with something like "mem=960M" to avoid using the upper part of it, which might collide with a video card's address space or something like that.
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14:21.46takatumigreycat: ah.
14:21.48St0n3-C0lYeah I agree ;p
14:21.51toresbegreycat: Aren't vid cards mapped really low?
14:22.16toresbeno wait, I'm thinking too far back, it's probably changed now
14:22.17greycattoresbe: well, back in the VESA Local Bus days, the magic area was lower... around 14-16 MB IIRC.
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14:22.23GlitchMasterjetscreamer: They've gone downhill. Hardware is being simplified and budget-cut (the floppy bus only supports one drive!), quality is plummeting.
14:22.26raid5pepsi_, : im running sunclock, i just dont want the title bar on it
14:22.39toresbegreycat: In the days of VGA it was mapped to 0xA000
14:22.48greycat!start an old hardware war
14:22.48dpkgYou kids have it EASY!  When I was your age I had to write first-person shooters on a TRS-80 Model I!
14:22.55FieldySnutsheh
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14:23.02sam1967hi . i am having some trouble installing KNOPPIX to hard disk (IDE 12 gb)
14:23.09FieldySnutsi had to configure my system on a wall full of banks of 8 on/off switches!
14:23.11cievoall..hello
14:23.15FieldySnutsdamn yungins
14:23.27jetscreamersam1967, nobody will care, try #knoppix, or better yet, try #kanotix
14:23.31GlitchMaster:P
14:23.37sam1967#knoppix
14:23.38pepsi_raid5: hmm.. I have binded Win-Q to "toggle decorations".. thats one possible way of dooing it. I have no other solution =/
14:23.40RikClarksam1967:  try knoppix channel, but if it wont boot its probably corrupt iso
14:23.44jetscreamerkanotix>knoppix
14:23.45GlitchMasterwww.glitchworld.com/miscstuff/comppics.html >.>;
14:23.45greycatsam1967: /join #knoppix
14:24.00cievo!knoppix
14:24.00dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/
14:24.02toresbegreycat: I still write my ASM dabbling in 0xA000 :)
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14:24.22greycattoresbe: I've purged as much x86 ASM knowledge from my mind as possible.
14:24.23RikClarkanyone here got two cups servers talking across subnets pls?
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14:24.32tbbwhello i just changed to the 2.6.10 kernel and i got a small problem ( well irritating one )
14:24.42tbbwwhen i try to load modules i get this error:
14:24.44tbbwmodprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
14:24.46GlitchMaster.10? They built that already?
14:24.50GlitchMasterI thought .8 was the latest..
14:24.52GlitchMaster:P
14:24.52jm_tbbw: /msg dpkg qm_modules
14:24.53greycatRikClark: why would it matter what IPs they have as long as you have unblocked bidirectional comms between 'em?
14:25.00greycat!qm_modules
14:25.00dpkginstall module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6>
14:25.12FieldySnutsheh ID10T_MODULES
14:25.17tbbwlol
14:25.21jetscreameri was gonna say apt-get install module-init-tools
14:25.38toresbegreycat: ASM is fun - imo it's even acceptable on the x86en
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14:25.46greycatof course they *never* bother saying what version of Debian they're on.
14:25.57greycatAnd they NEVER read the Changes file that would have told them they need a new piece of software.
14:26.03jetscreamerone might ass-u-me sid
14:26.08tbbwgraytron: 3.0 woody
14:26.12jm_to make matters worse, maybe it's not even Debian
14:26.17greycattbbw: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6
14:26.29cievogreycat: helo ;)
14:26.32toresbetbbw: /msg dpgk bobbitt
14:26.33takatumi2.6.10 on woody, two ends of the spectrum
14:26.42toresbetbbw: /msg dpkg bobbitt *
14:26.43greycat250 cievo
14:26.44jetscreamer!woody bobbit
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14:26.52toresbe!bobbitt
14:26.52dpkgRemember Lorena Bobbitt?  Remember what she did to her husband's woody?  Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result.
14:26.53cievogreycat: ;) EHLO :)
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14:26.59GlitchMasterRunning successfully, takatumi? I heard newer kernels didn't like woody for some reason...
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14:27.06greycatGlitchMaster: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6
14:27.18cievogreycat: keeping busy ? :)
14:27.19takatumiGlitchMaster: haven't tried woody
14:27.24toresbetbbw: You probably don't want woody
14:27.34abrotmanGlitchMaster: have you tried another video card?
14:27.38sam1967Hi no-one is in on the KNOPPIX channel. can i post my error here .  i think it should be obvious to someone what the problem is ?
14:27.42toresbetbbw: You want testing - sarge
14:27.50cievosam1967: try it
14:27.51RikClarkgreycat: ah, well there is a smoothwall between them.  I moved the print server to the DMZ to exploit other things like hosting.  Budget system.  I did notice the dmz based cups server (with the printer) trying to talk to the lan over high destination ports.  These were getting blocked, but I couldn't find out how to keep it talking on 631.  I read somewhere about browing and polling?
14:27.52tbbwtoresbe: its installed and work fine exept for them "idiot" modules :)
14:27.52abrotmansam1967: not really
14:27.53jetscreamersam1967, nobody here gives a shit about knoppix problems
14:28.01St0n3-C0llet him ask
14:28.03jetscreamersam1967, no offense, but that's how it is
14:28.04toresbetbbw: But why woody?
14:28.07abrotman!knoppix
14:28.07dpkgKnoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/
14:28.08St0n3-C0lmaybe u guys can solve that
14:28.09sam1967Device 0x1600: Inconsistent partition table, 2nd entry
14:28.09sam1967<PROTECTED>
14:28.09sam1967<PROTECTED>
14:28.09sam1967Fatal: Either FIX-TABLE or IGNORE-TABLE must be specified
14:28.09sam1967If not sure, first try IGNORE-TABLE (-P ignore)
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14:28.13abrotmangood .. dumbass
14:28.15tbbwtoresbe: got use to it :)
14:28.18toresbehaha
14:28.21GlitchMasterabrotman: I COULD do that, but it wouldn't be an intelligent decision, as the other one I have is a probably-defective geforce 4.
14:28.24abrotman!u
14:28.25dpkgDammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
14:28.32cievoWTF ? use #flood Assholes
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14:28.38GlitchMasterabrotman: Also, I have a PCI 8MB card that's hell to use.
14:28.48abrotmanGlitchMaster: try it anyways .. maybe it's your motherboard ..
14:28.54toresbetbbw: Well - not that big a difference
14:29.02toresbetbbw: Woody is stable without the b
14:29.03abrotmanGlitchMaster: or turn off screensavers
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14:29.10jetscreamerit's in my footrest
14:29.10abrotmansam1967: don't flood
14:29.12abrotmanever
14:29.25sam1967i couldnt help it
14:29.29abrotmanyes .. you can
14:29.30jetscreameryes you could
14:29.32abrotmanread the topic
14:29.32sam1967it just spilled out
14:29.35jetscreamerit's called editing
14:29.40abrotmanit doesn't just spill out .. you pasted it in here
14:29.42cievosam1967: paste it into #flood
14:29.42tbbwtoresbe: just herd sarge got nicer probing in install but im okey with doing every thing manual :P ( thats why i left redhat coz its to automatic )
14:29.50jetscreameredit your 'post' in nano first or something
14:30.05abrotman!tell sam1967 about paste
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14:30.23GlitchMasterabrotman: again, that board's the most likely thing, as I have an ASUS board that has given me hell upon hell from day 1.
14:30.34GlitchMasterI just haven't had the funds to replace it... >.>;
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14:30.42GlitchMasterI need to sell some old hardware. >.<
14:30.42toresbetbbw: Well, I'm not telling you to reinstall - just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and s/woody/sarge/g; apt-get update && dist-upgrade and voila you have sarge
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14:30.54GlitchMasterOooh! Maybe I should fix that Dell in the basement and sell it to an ebay retard! :D
14:30.55toresbeGlitchMaster: *perks up*
14:31.00abrotmanGlitchMaster: so turn off screensavers? .. disable DRI?
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14:31.12sam1967hi i posted my error message in #flood if anyone wants to give it a look. im sure its a nobrainer
14:31.13toresbeGlitchMaster: Do you have anything *really* old? :P
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14:31.18GlitchMasterabrotman: screensavers usually run fine... and.. and... I like my screensavers... :\
14:31.31cievoall...where is man page of that signs that you use 's/woody/sarge/g' ??? awk ?
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14:31.36abrotmansam1967: try it again
14:31.36tbbwedit by hand sounds nice :D
14:31.43GlitchMastertoresbe: in this machine, or in my house? I collect old stuff too. MY BROKEN TANDY1000! MINE I SAY! >.<
14:31.44abrotman!tell cievo about woody->sarge
14:31.55pepsi_does the windowmanager run with root-priv?
14:32.02toresbeGlitchMaster: Hah, tandy1000 - modern junk
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14:32.07jm_cievo: that's ed/sed/vi command
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14:32.24toresbeGlitchMaster: If it's not LSI or coarser, it's not worth having ;)
14:32.27cievojm_: oh i see :) I'm joe possitive :-P
14:32.36nevynjm_: and awk
14:32.46GlitchMastertoresbe: Wake up, as the ORIGINAL Tandy1000 that ran a form of DOS is quite old. Nearing 20 years now..
14:32.47greycatcievo: and perl
14:33.00GlitchMasterI miss my deskmate... That was fun to play with! :(
14:33.05sam1967how do i fix a corrupt FAT table ?
14:33.06greycatand... well, UNIX.
14:33.08toresbeGlitchMaster: My PDP-7 is 40 years old. Beat that :P
14:33.09GlitchMasterHowever, the whole thing is fucked over... I've no idea what happened.
14:33.17jm_nevyn: awk?
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14:33.20cievogreycat: where do I get man page for tha ? man sed ?
14:33.22GlitchMastertoresbe: *drool*
14:33.34GlitchMaster...I want a colecovision! >.<
14:33.38greycatcievo: please go get an introductory Unix book.
14:33.39abrotmantoresbe: my mom is 62 .. beat that :)
14:33.50cievogreycat: ...
14:33.55greycat!yomama abrotman
14:33.55dpkgabrotman: yo' mama so old she has an autographed Bible
14:33.56greycatheh
14:34.00toresbehahahaha
14:34.01nevynjm_: awk can do substitutions. I think..
14:34.02GlitchMasterThat reminds me..
14:34.03jellyHow do I find out why "E: Internal Error, Couldn't configure a pre-depend" happens when dist-upgrading woody to sarge?
14:34.15abrotmangreycat: nice ...
14:34.19jm_nevyn: yes, but not with s command - it has sub/gsub and the likes
14:34.27greycatjelly: analyze it carefully, figure out what's broken, and file a bug report.
14:34.28jm_or was it gensub
14:34.32toresbeabrotman: OK, then, I have a 73 year old granny
14:34.33nevynyou're right.
14:34.43GlitchMasterWould anyone CURRENT happen to know where I might find the original AT&T UNIX 1.0 documentation text files? I must have them for my starwars xscreensaver! O_O
14:34.50nevynawk does tend to have the only documentation for regex's tho
14:34.52abrotmantoresbe: mine is .. 89 iirc
14:34.56GlitchMasterStar Wars* <.< >.>
14:35.03toresbeabrotman: damn you...
14:35.07toresbeGlitchMaster: those are really pointy tits
14:35.08abrotmanGlitchMaster: you keep asking that .. stop
14:35.23GlitchMasterFine. XP
14:35.34jm_nevyn: man 7 regex or man perlre is also there
14:35.37toresbeGlitchMaster: there is nothing left of UNIX 1
14:35.41GlitchMaster....
14:35.41jellygreycat: does that mean "try to upgrade package by package until you find the guilty party"?
14:35.48toresbeGlitchMaster: I talked to Dennis Ritchie about it
14:35.48greycatwhat the hell is "UNIX 1"?
14:36.01greycatyou're never going to find anything older than 7th edition Unix.
14:36.05GlitchMasterYeah...
14:36.07GlitchMasterHrm...
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14:36.16toresbegreycat: the original "we spelled it UNICS back then" UNIX
14:36.17Xemacs_manpages section 1
14:36.20takatumiGlitchMaster: google for v7vol2a.pdf
14:36.29toresbeactually, partial docs for Unix 3 are availble
14:36.31nevyngreycat: sysV
14:36.38BACbKAhi folks -- just crawled in from a nasty flu. 1st  two days off-line were also w/o food :)
14:36.41greycatnevyn: 7ed. predates SysIII and SysV.
14:36.43abrotmanGlitchMaster: if you want something like that .. ask a newsgroup
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14:36.51nevyngreycat: k.
14:37.14greycat7th edition is what both BSD and AT&T SysV are derived from
14:37.23GlitchMasterWell, greycat, do you think it's as great if I have edition 7's documentation as my Star Wars screensaver? I mean, that's the first MAJOR UNIX that spawned the many many branches, right?
14:37.50greycatGlitchMaster: please bear in mind that "Star Wars: A New Hope" is episode IV.
14:37.50jethrohttp://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html#01
14:38.03toresbegreycat: UNIX 3 != SysIII
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14:38.15greycattoresbe: If you mean "3rd edition", then I know.
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14:38.28toresbegreycat: that's what I meant, sorry
14:38.31GlitchMasterHeh... I'll just use 7. I've already found that.
14:38.33greycatthat's why I said 7ed. predates SysIII
14:38.38toresbeGlitchMaster: I have an URL for the docs of 3rd edition Unix
14:38.42toresbegreycat: right, sorry
14:38.44GlitchMaster...Oooh!
14:38.45nevynsys IV would have a sense of symetry. like zathros "Zathros have very sad life.. probably have sad death but at least there is symetry"
14:38.50GlitchMasterToresbe: !
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14:39.12toresbeGlitchMaster: cba right now :P
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14:39.22GlitchMasterToresbe: ._.
14:39.25sam1967How do I fix  a corrupt FAT in LINUX ???
14:39.27toresbeGlitchMaster: It's a google away, like most questions asked here
14:39.45GlitchMasterHeh... -.-
14:39.48toresbesam1967: A) Linux is not capitalized B) one question mark per question
14:39.49nevynfsck.vfat?
14:39.51sussudio!irritate sam1967
14:39.52dpkgsam1967: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound thx
14:40.07GlitchMasterI was googling the first edition.. :p
14:40.24toresbeGlitchMaster: dmr should lead you straight to his webpage
14:40.27GlitchMasterThe bot is BURNING MY EYES!
14:40.36BACbKAsam1967: install the dosfstools debian package
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14:42.00GlitchMastertoresbe: ...dmr?
14:42.06sam1967thanks to the non-robots and raspberries to the robots (you know who you are )
14:42.22toresbeGlitchMaster: Dennis Ritchie's username
14:42.37BACbKAsam1967: I want a raspberry, although I am not a robot
14:43.16toresbeBACbKA: is that mock Cyrillic?
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14:43.25BACbKAtoresbe: yes
14:43.39sam1967ok. cover your ears . brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp
14:43.51sam1967thats a raspberry in old london town
14:44.02sussudio!britsmite sam1967
14:44.13toresbeBACbKA: I know that A, and I think B and K are phonetically the same as Roman
14:44.22toresbeBACbKA: what is it?
14:44.30sussudio!gobshite sam1967
14:44.32dpkgYour mother was English, sam1967!
14:44.42BACbKAdmr home page http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/
14:44.52toresbeBACbKA: that's the one, thanks
14:44.56sam1967sussudio an irish potato-head perchance ?
14:44.59BACbKA(happened to have it on my bookmarks)
14:45.04sussudiosam1967: now feck off to #knoppix
14:45.10GlitchMasterhttp://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html <--- GYAHAHAHAHA!
14:45.15toresbesam1967: go to #knoppix
14:45.17BACbKAtoresbe: that's a variation on my 1st name, Vassilii
14:45.32sam1967probably a jackeen by the accent
14:45.41ricky_clarksonsussudio has me on ignore but still uses my !gobshite $1
14:45.47PhatedHeh.
14:45.48tbbwhmmm why the hell do 2.6.10 load ipchains module as default? i want iptables
14:45.50GlitchMasterThanks for that dmr tip, toresbe!
14:45.58ricky_clarkson!gobshite sussudio
14:45.58dpkgYour mother was English, sussudio!
14:46.00FieldySnutshii Phated
14:46.06greycattbbw: because you built it wrong?
14:46.08PhatedFieldySnuts! *huggle*
14:46.12FieldySnuts:)
14:46.13toresbeGlitchMaster: thank you, I didn't know that the V1 man was up
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14:46.31sprut4nanyone know how i can fix 'kfmclient'?
14:46.36tbbwgreycat: u mean the kernel ?
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14:46.49sam1967dont ever go to dublin folks it is ful of sussudio clones
14:46.51sprut4ni get error then a should open it
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14:47.01BACbKAsprut4n: noone will have a clue until you tell us how it is brken
14:47.03tbbwLinux CloneWolf 2.6.10 #2 SMP Thu Jan 13 19:09:24 CET 2005 i686 unknown
14:47.08FieldySnutsravenbird: troll sam1967
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14:47.23sam1967sussudio started the abuse
14:47.34sam1967called me a gobshite for no good reason
14:47.36Phated*sigh* Really, do you need to respond?
14:47.48sam1967id rip his feckin head off in half a minute .
14:47.48FieldySnutsyou're a knoppix user, were told this isn't the place more than once, go away
14:47.55pepsi_why does my X just quit without any error messages if I have a .xsession or a .xinitrc in my home directory?
14:47.58FieldySnutsyeah tough guy
14:48.03sam1967as a Jock I have no time for arsey irishmen
14:48.09greycatpepsi_: because your .xsession file *sucks*?
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14:48.24greycatpepsi_: really, how do you expect us to help you if we don't know what you've got in it?
14:48.24Manoj`Hmm. we need someone with ops here
14:48.25pepsi_greycat: nope. it contains one line that is really simple
14:48.32greycatpepsi_: and wrong.  clearly.
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14:48.45abrotmansam1967: go away .. you were told this channel wasn't for knoppix support .. and you've persisted ..
14:48.48sam1967sussudio you fucking wanker
14:48.51pepsi_greycat: be right back.. Ill try starting X with an empty file
14:48.53greycatManoj`: mostly we need people to chill.
14:48.55FieldySnutscan we -v this kid
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14:49.01ricky_clarksonsam1967: He is a twat, but stop.
14:49.01*** mode/#debian [+q sam1967!*@*] by greycat
14:49.03FieldySnutsthanks
14:49.04*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat
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14:49.14tbbwgreycat: "really, how do you expect us to help you if we don't know what you've got in it?" <- haha so true :D
14:49.21sprut4nBACbKA: then a click on my home. KDElnit coud not launch 'kfmclient' could not find 'kfmclient'
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14:49.39PhatedFieldySnuts: So what's been up?
14:50.02takatumigreycat: "17:06         pepsi_ |  takatumi: xmodmap .Xmodmap" that's what he
14:50.06greycatpepsi_: hold on, let me put on my mind-reading hat.   ...     OK, you've got something like "xterm &" in it, but you forgot to exec your window manager or Desktop Environment, so the .xsession terminates, and your X session therefore terminates, and therefore X terminates.
14:50.11takatumi's got in there
14:50.11FieldySnutsnot much, the usual, waiting for my boss to hurry up so we can put a rack server in the rack, thing is too heavy and expensive for one person
14:50.12GlitchMasterDamn... it's not in text.
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14:50.17GlitchMasterI'll have to recreate it.
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14:50.22FieldySnutsi built it so i'm anxious to get it in :D
14:50.28PhatedFieldySnuts: I'll help you. :)
14:50.32FieldySnutscool
14:50.33pepsi_greycat: X wont start even if .xsession is empty.
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14:50.35greycattakatumi: well, clearly that doesn't work, because xmodmap isn't a WM.
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14:50.46FieldySnutsthing weighs 68 pounds, not sure what that is in kilos
14:50.47greycatpepsi_: so put "exec fvwm" or something in it.
14:50.53sprut4nthen a click on my home. Sorry, KDElnit coud not launch 'kfmclient' could not find 'kfmclient'
14:50.54greycatFieldySnuts: divide by 2.2
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14:51.00Phatedpepsi_: Starting X with someything like startx /usr/bin/openbox might help.
14:51.06BACbKAsprut4n: I don't have any problems like this. KDE in Debian? which KDE? which Debian? (version)
14:51.07pepsi_greycat: fluxbox starts without any problem.. I dont want to execute fluxbox in two placec
14:51.17PhatedFieldySnuts: 30 something kilos... Bah, we can handle it. :)
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14:51.28greycatpepsi_: you'd rather have it NOT WORK than have it WORK BY DUPLICATING ONE LINE??
14:51.39FieldySnutsone of the rails on the rack is damaged, that's the main frustration
14:51.42FieldySnutsoh well hehe
14:51.57Phatedgreycat: I'm not going to quote you and say you need to chill, but... You need to chill. :)
14:52.18greycatheh
14:52.22PhatedHeh.
14:52.22cievo;)
14:52.26FieldySnuts</incite>
14:52.30BACbKAFieldySnuts: cats don't eat sugar do they?
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14:52.42jellygreycat: but think of the artistic value... surely duplicating the invocation of a wm in two places is uglee  :-)
14:52.48PhatedBACbKA: YOu'd better not feed them any.
14:52.49greycatbut really... if he *knows* how to fix his problem, why is he *bitching* about it instead of applying that fix?
14:52.57FieldySnutsto annoy you
14:53.01PhatedYes, greycat, yes... Chiiiilll...
14:53.08pepsi_Phated: what does that do?
14:53.17PhatedWhat does what do?
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14:53.25cievoPhated: man ls
14:53.31FieldySnuts..
14:53.33PhatedI KNOW what ln does!
14:53.34takatumipop corn and sugar?
14:53.36sprut4nBACbKA: woody and i don´t no my version on kde. i have install now
14:53.36PhatedAnd ls!
14:53.43sprut4ndebian-30r4-i386
14:53.58PhatedFieldySnuts: Let's go eat popcorn.
14:54.01FieldySnutsk
14:54.07pepsi_Phated: startx /usr/bin/openbox
14:54.21PhatedNever mind, since your wm starts fine.
14:54.21asuffieldthat stuff just just aerated cardboard
14:54.26asuffields/stuff/stuff is/
14:54.28PhatedWith butter!
14:54.37Phated3.
14:54.41PhatedWhoops.
14:54.44greycatand salt.
14:54.45PhatedSorreee.
14:54.46takatumiwith fake butter
14:54.49PhatedNo, just butter.
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14:54.59ricky_clarksonI can't believe it's not butter.
14:54.59pepsi_greycat: so you have no idea where my wm might get executed?
14:55.13felipe_brhow can I know WHY a package is been kept back when I do apt-get upgrade?
14:55.13greycatpepsi_: huh>
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14:55.13asuffieldit's not butter unless it came out of a cow
14:55.14Delphricky_clarkson: i can, its some godawful polysaturated rubbish...
14:55.16oskiehey, i have an old USB webcam. it works, but how do i know what resolutions i can use? is there a way to query?
14:55.20pepsi_ok
14:55.21abrotman!tell felipe_br about held back
14:55.26ricky_clarksonfelipe_br: Because you held it.
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14:55.31crowhi
14:55.32cievooskie: count pixels
14:55.35greycatpepsi_: clearly we *both* know where it should be put, and how to make it go, and I do *not* understand why you're asking this.
14:55.38crowhow to check is dvdrom already mounted in debian, and how to mount one dvd(data)
14:55.40ricky_clarksonfelipe_br: You can override by explicitly mentioning the package in the apt-get line.
14:55.50FieldySnutsgreycat: to annoy you, and you're falling for it
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14:56.00valdyn_pepsi_: are you referring to the default X session in debian?
14:56.08pepsi_greycat: because I want to understand why my system works as it does.
14:56.18cievocrow: man mount
14:56.22asuffieldoskie: cameras do not normally deliver any more than one resolution. just take what you get...
14:56.25dustyi know im not a regular here but invite anyone interested to join #space for a info on the titan landing in 20 mins
14:56.31pepsi_valdyn_: yes. I believe so. this is my first time in debian though
14:56.36PhatedBecause, pepsi_, your bloody window manager is the -default- window manager.
14:56.37felipe_brabrotman, ricky_clarkson, I know it's because of newer versions and hold status, but I'd like to see the reason printed, isnt there a way?
14:56.37greycatpepsi_: because when you type "startx" it looks for either .xsession or .xinitrc (I forget which one has precedence -- just symlink them together, for fuck's sake) and RUNS it as a shell script.
14:56.42FieldySnutsspammer.
14:56.46crowcievo something quicker pls. i need that quick answer :(
14:56.49greycatpepsi_: when .xsession or .xinitrc ends, your X session ends, and X goes away.
14:56.53ricky_clarksonfelipe_br: Yes, /msg dpkg hold
14:57.03greycatso the LAST THING your .xsession or .xinitrc should do is exec a window manager
14:57.03abrotmanfelipe_br: did you place it on hold?
14:57.03valdyn_pepsi_: "why does wmxx start even though i did nothing to activate that?"
14:57.15cievocrow: to check if it's mounte jus type mount and if you ee it than it is:)
14:57.19PhatedBECAUSE it's the damned DEFAULT.
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14:58.02cievocrow: and mounting is mount /dev/DEVICPOINTEDTODVD /mnt_POINT
14:58.18valdyn_pepsi_: look at /etc/X11/Xsession or /etc/X11/Xsession.d i guess
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14:58.30abrotmancrow: man mount
14:58.30sprut4ncan i install onley 'kfmclient'?
14:58.31pepsi_valdyn_: heh.. ok.. things are getting clear now ;)
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14:58.38greycatsprut4n: you can try.
14:58.52asuffieldgreycat: personally I have a more complex one. I run the wm in the foreground, then when it exits the .xsession continues and cleans up the session
14:58.53sprut4nhow do i do that? =)
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14:59.02pepsi_greycat: are you always like this?
14:59.02valdyn_pepsi_: but you dont want to edit those files, and your .xsession will override those, not add to those
14:59.05felipe_brso... that's why I want to know. For instance, autofs I put on hold for some time, but I think I undid that. Now autofs appears along a bunch of other packages and I'd like to know if it's being held or it's being kept for some other reason.
14:59.06greycatasuffield: but you actually know what you're doing.
14:59.12greycatpepsi_: yes.
14:59.22crowcievo thnx that was quick i already writed all stuff (and i mount dvd thnx)
14:59.22PhatedTell it, greycat.
14:59.23pepsi_valdyn_: thank you. thats exactly what I wanted to hear =)
14:59.30cievocrow: np
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15:00.06cievogreycat: what do you do for living ? You have so much time to chat on irc ;)
15:00.10greycatcievo: sys admin
15:00.26cievogreycat: ;) no problemoz on net ?:)
15:00.33abrotmancievo: apparently he does his job well eh?
15:00.37PhatedYou doubt the greycat's admin ability?
15:00.40asuffieldusers *are* the problem on a network
15:00.41greycatif we have problems, I won't be here to tell you about them -- I'll be fixing them
15:00.44cievoaboryeah, it looks like it :)
15:00.52abrotmantry tab .. it works wonders
15:01.04PhatedOr typing the first four characters right.
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15:01.42greycatasuffield: in our case, disk failure accounts for a lot of it, and "ITD" (Information Technology Division, the guys who "run" the network) account for most of the rest.
15:01.48asuffieldhah
15:01.58oskieis there a good program to open an URL in firefox? 'firefox URL' doesn't go to background, doesn't open in new window, etc
15:02.12PhatedSure there is. Firefox.
15:02.15jm_oskie: jes, it's called firefox
15:02.19greycatoskie: you could try the "-openURL('blah')" thingy from mozila
15:02.20cievoPhated: :P
15:02.25Phatedjm_: Jinx.
15:02.30greycator however it's spelled; I forget the precise syntax.
15:02.30tbbwgraycat: u were right i messed up at the build of the kernel :P had ipchains compiled into the kernel ( dont ask me why )
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15:02.34asuffieldit's -remote, and read the damn manpage
15:02.35valdyn_oskie: the magic is "&"
15:02.47greycatit has a man page now?  *blinsk*
15:02.48oskiegreycat: yeah, but what if firefox isn't running :/ I guess one would have to device a command try start it if that remote command fails
15:02.49sciboyHi, i wish to have my wacom tablet be plugged in whenever i need it to without having to restart X, any ideas?
15:02.52tbbwgraycat: big thanku for pointing it out :)
15:02.56jm_oskie: it will start it
15:03.16jm_mozilla-firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'
15:03.20jm_read the docs for it
15:03.31greycatoskie: you actually have a substantial probability of your browser *not* being open at any given moment?  *boggle*
15:03.48tbbwanyone know of a document i suld read for a SMP system? ( got 2x cpus )
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15:03.49oskiejm_: hmm, now only the URL has to be quoted :)
15:04.04tbbwcompile will take some time best to spend it reading :)
15:04.08greycattbbw: build or install an SMP kernel, use "make -j" a lot.
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15:04.22jm_oskie: that's up to you
15:04.24FieldySnuts-j without a numbe ris amusing
15:04.25asuffieldand spend a lot of time fixing build systems to support it properly
15:04.29tbbwgreycat: so i suld do make -j instead of just make ?
15:04.40greycattbbw: man make
15:04.46oskiejm_: i'm only getting 'Error: Failed to send command: 509 internal error' with that command
15:04.52tbbwgreycat: ill man :)
15:04.53cievotbbw: suld == should ?
15:05.01oskiejm_: ah.. didn't want any quotes around url
15:05.03FieldySnutsmake -jN where N is number of CPU's plus one. that's the general rule. if you don't put a number on, it tries to do as many as it can, and that's not fun unless you like loads of 100+
15:05.04tbbwcievo: yah bad spelling
15:05.06abrotmantbbw: no .. don't do that
15:05.13cievotbbw: ok ;)
15:05.14tbbwgreycat: ty :)
15:05.16greycatYou'd think the Firefox developers would shorten -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)' to something like -t %s
15:05.24tbbwabrotman: u cant stop me! ;D
15:05.28jm_yes, like in galeon
15:05.28abrotman!u
15:05.28dpkgDammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
15:05.29greycatbut... no, that would be too easy to use.
15:05.29FieldySnutsfor example on my two cpu system I do make -j3
15:05.32sprut4nhow can i reisntall 'kfmclient'?
15:05.39abrotmantbbw: fine .. it's your box .. do whatever you want ..
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15:05.44a-atwoodtbbw:  build server here would do a clean kernel build in 1 min 15 sec with make -j
15:05.46oskiegreycat: yeah, that'd be useful, wouldn't it? they did it with galeon... 
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15:05.55greycatsprut4n: apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg -S kfmclient | sed 's/:.*$//')
15:06.07a-atwoodtbbw: but you wouldn't be doing ANYTHING else while it was running. 8)
15:06.13Manoj`greycat: one could, of course, use a wrapper or an alias
15:06.17FieldySnutsdual opteron 248, vanilla kernel 2.6.7, 38 seconds
15:06.19greycatManoj`: I suppose so.
15:06.22tbbwa-atwood: hehe :)
15:06.26GigaGurlwhat is the best way to get a desktop running under woody?
15:06.56tbbwa-atwood: is looking at porno pics with aalib ower ssh okey? ;)
15:07.02sciboyHow can i make it so i can plug in an additional pointer device in XFree86 without having to have that device plugged in when i startx as i usually have to do to get it working...?
15:07.33jm_sciboy: gpm with 2.4, should be more or less transparent with 2.6
15:07.39tbbwascii boobs :D
15:07.40abrotman!tell GigaGurl about setup x
15:07.47a-atwoodtbbw: depends on what your employer things about that.  100+ jobs queued and running won't let much happen
15:07.52Manoj`119 RC bugs
15:08.21abrotmanManoj`: we need more!
15:08.28GigaGurlthanks
15:08.30tbbwa-atwood: pffft this is my own box :)
15:08.35justinManoj`: how do you find out which of the 699 are the 119?
15:08.38greycatabrotman: don't worry, they spawn on their own.
15:08.42abrotmanheh
15:08.54abrotmanjustin: it's more complicated than it hsould be
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15:09.00justinobviously :-)
15:09.01tbbwa-atwood: besides i think an employer wuld think its funny with ascii porn pics ;)
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15:09.06GlitchMasterIs there any reason for my harddrive light ALWAYS blinking as though the machine is in standby?
15:09.15schizoschafhill
15:09.15greycattbbw: you have a very optimistic opinion of employers in general
15:09.22schizoschafhi@all :)
15:09.33greycatGlitchMaster: bad hardware?
15:09.35tbbwgreycat: coz im unemployed maby? ;)
15:09.53abrotmanjustin: it took me a while of staring at it to figure it out
15:10.00GlitchMastergreycat, I do believe that if I replace this fucking ASUS board with that niftastic Epox one, I'll be perfectly fine. :P
15:10.01greycattbbw: tip: don't mention ASCII pr0n during your job interview, unless the employer brings it up first.
15:10.05schizoschafasked before: is there a free driver for geforce2 now?
15:10.19greycatGlitchMaster: it's worth a shot if you've got one.
15:10.25jm_schizoschaf: 2D works OK for a while
15:10.28tbbwgreycat: aaaw i just love the look on ther face when i do ;)
15:10.30greycatschizoschaf: 2d, yes.
15:10.35abrotmanjustin: and as to why there isn't a "RC Bugs affecting the next release" link .. NFC
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15:11.52schizoschafgreycat, driver called 'nv', right?
15:11.52tbbwthe all might "man" tells me to run make -j2
15:11.55greycatschizoschaf: yes
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15:11.58schizoschafzhx
15:12.00schizoschafthx
15:12.06sammybabyIs there a config in /etc/network to force a machine to remember a static route? Or does that have to be done with /sbin/route? (I'm not routing on the box, just trying to iron out two interfaces.)
15:12.14greycat!FAQ sammybaby
15:12.14dpkgsammybaby: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/
15:12.25abrotman!tell sammybaby about interfaces
15:12.52GlitchMastergreycat, the problem is that I don't. Though, with some shifty ebay work, I shall have one.
15:12.55cievoall...BYE BYE :)
15:13.23sammybabyfound it in two clicks. Thanks, greycat & abrotman.
15:13.29felipe_brI got a dependency problem... libflac++4 is half-installed, kdelibs depends on it, libflac++4 tries to overwrite a file from libflac++2. I want to remove libflac++2 so dpkg finishes installing libflac++4, how can I do it?
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15:14.07felipe_brok got it with dpkg
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15:14.13pwn4gewhats the best lightweight window manager?
15:14.13felipe_brinstead of apt-get
15:14.23BACbKApwn4ge: I fancy flwm
15:14.30tbbwwoah! talk about speed change with make -j :D
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15:14.37takatumipwn4ge: ion3
15:14.48greycatpwn4ge: define "lightweight" and "best"
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15:15.20greycatfelipe_br: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/libflac++4*.deb
15:15.49pointer-gaimdoes the kernel on the d-i iso now support the 3ware 9500?
15:15.52FaithXI just built my kernel modules and they were only made as .o and not .ko what did I do wrong?
15:16.00pwn4gelightweight: using very little memory compared to kde or gnome
15:16.01greycatFaithX: 2.4 and earlier kernels use .o
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15:16.25FaithXbut it is 2.6 kernel I was building
15:16.35sciboy=(
15:16.38pwn4gebest: your opinion :)
15:16.39w0wiei get an error when trying to install printer drivers, something like cant find /etc/init.d/lpd, but i have got lprng installed
15:16.47greycatFaithX: but what kernel are you *running*, and more importantly, what kernel's headers are you *building* this module against?
15:16.52FaithXand slack has been building .ko since early 2.4
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15:17.20FaithXgreycat, checking
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15:17.43sciboyOkey, i have a wacom tablet where i want to be able to startx and then plug it in and have it work. However X seems to require that the device be plugged in when it starts up to use it. Any ideas?
15:17.50GlitchMasterGeneral geek-advice inquiry: I've never moved a processor from one board to another. My current heatsink has one of those adhesive conducting substance pads, rather than self-applied substance from a tube. How easy/safe will it be to move this from one board to another, and will that pad cause problems?
15:17.52greycatI seriously, seriously doubt that slackware would have fucked with the Linux kernel to the extent that they'd change the filenames extensions of modules.  They haven't even managed to get off of libtermcap!
15:18.03greycat10:18 Ignoring MSGS from sprut4n
15:18.05greycat!msg
15:18.05dpkg(1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first.  Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received.  (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff.  They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'.  (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/).
15:18.46BACbKAafter the recent X mass update 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 -> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10, my testing machine (2.6.8-1-686) began exhibiting a curious symptom:
15:19.01BACbKAonce the KDM starts up, the keyboard doesn't respond
15:19.11toresbesciboy: I don't think you can get around that
15:19.14BACbKAthe workaround: use mouse to select "console login"
15:19.24tbbwgreycat: just a personal question :) how many yers have u used linux and or unix :)
15:19.28jm_sciboy: I told you
15:19.41BACbKAthen when it times out everything is fine
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15:19.45tbbwgreycat: u almost got answer to all problems so far ;)
15:19.57GlitchMasterTbbw, are you aware that "u" is not a word, and that ":)" is not punctuation?
15:19.59greycattbbw: unix as a newbie end user since 1990; linux since 1993
15:20.05sprut4ngreycat: dose´t apt-get install kfmclient work?
15:20.15greycatsprut4n: you tell me.  did it work?
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15:20.18toresbetbbw: greycat is one of the gurus around here, others include peterS
15:20.21sprut4nno :P
15:20.37sprut4ni have install kde with, apt-get install kdebase
15:20.41pointer-gaimnm, some more hunting on google answered my question
15:20.45BACbKAanybody else ever seen a similar problem??
15:20.45abrotman!install kde
15:20.46dpkgrumour has it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
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15:21.01tbbwtoresbe: rater call them "god"s then guru ;)
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15:21.23PhatedGlitchMaster: :)
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15:21.40PhatedThat's legal punctuation, and certainly less annoying than "u".
15:21.44abrotmanGlitchMaster: ask #hardware
15:21.45toresbetbbw: oh, the gods hang out in #debian-devel :P
15:21.57abrotmantoresbe: now they will kill you for divulging that
15:21.59PhatedActually, the debian-devel mailing list.
15:22.01tagis there soething different I am supposed to do with kernel source packages vs just downloading my kernel source at linux.org?
15:22.17Phatedtoresbe: They don't want people tramping into -devel now.
15:22.28tbbwtoresbe: haha true ;)
15:22.34toresbePhated: nah, won't happen, probably
15:23.04toresbePhated: you keep shitting your pants everytime someone mentions #debian-offtopic and still noone joins
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15:23.27greycattoresbe: different case, though...
15:23.28Phated*shrugs*
15:23.40Phated-devel are to be respected.
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15:23.44tbbwwell guru and geeks im rebooting and thanx for all the help :)
15:23.51toresbetbbw: np
15:23.51tbbwgraycat: take care :)
15:23.53BACbKAtbbw: good luck
15:23.56Phated-offtopic joiners are easily dealt with.
15:23.59toresbehey, I'm in -devel, and noone has joined yet
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15:24.06Phatedasuffield: *grrrr*
15:24.08FaithXgreycat, I seem to have 2 sets of headers 2.5.999 and 2.6.8-1-386 how to determine which is being used?
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15:24.12Fremhey, does anyone know of a gui version of update-rc.d?
15:24.29greycatFaithX: examine the build commands that scroll by.
15:24.30sprut4ngreycat: any tips for me so i can fix it, i am not good at linux so you no :)
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15:24.31jm_Frem: sysv-rc-conf
15:24.33toresbePhated: spoke too soon, but that was because you made such a fuss of it
15:24.36BACbKAFrem: is termcap gui OK
15:24.39Manoj`Frem: I don't think there is any such thing
15:24.52simonrvngurus? aren't they some mythical creatures that hide out in the forest?
15:24.58neeneehas anyone here been able to use nvidia with the 2.6.11-rc1 vanilla kernel?
15:25.01greycatFaithX: but I suspect you're *confused* about the 2.5.999 stuff... those are most likely the libc headers, not the kernel-headers
15:25.03Manoj`Frem: but apparently, I am wrong
15:25.03PhatedWas that a fuss?
15:25.04asuffieldupdate-rc.d is a *scripting* tool
15:25.08henriklarssonHi How do I delete hidden partitions on my disk ?
15:25.14PhatedHuh. Apparently making a remark is now a fuss.
15:25.15greycathenriklarsson: man cfdisk
15:25.21abrotmansprut4n: or english apparently
15:25.22greycatPhated: fussbudget!!
15:25.26FremManoj`, :-)
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15:25.37simonrvngreycat: affirmative on the headers
15:25.51Phatedgreycat: Heh.
15:25.53sprut4nabrotman: what?
15:26.06asuffieldgreycat: where the hell did you learn a word like 'fussbudged'? you sound like an old woman
15:26.08abrotmansprut4n: if you can't figure it out, then I'm not going to help
15:26.12BACbKAFrem: are you talking about changing what services get started in what runlevels
15:26.14asuffields/budged/budget/
15:26.19asuffieldManoj`: THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT
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15:26.32greycatasuffield: quiet, you whippersnapper
15:26.43Phatedgreycat: Forgot "young" in there.
15:26.46FaithXgreycat, I am inside the kernel source compiling and so far I can only see .o modules compiling do the .ko compile secondly?
15:26.47FremBACbKA, I'm talking about disabling like half the services that startup on my computer and make it run at half the speed it should.
15:26.54greycatPhated: I figured it would be redundant
15:26.58jm_Faithful: duh, yes
15:27.00abrotmanFrem: such as?
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15:27.05PhatedHow many services do you actually start?
15:27.06BACbKAFrem: If you want GUI, and have KDE, try ksysv
15:27.08jm_FaithX: duh, yes
15:27.10valdyn_neenee: as i understood it there at least 1 bug and also one api change keeping nvidia from working w/ 2.6.11-rc1
15:27.10greycatFaithX: probably...
15:27.11destr0after you install php4_mysql.deb is there anything special you have to do to get the mysql support picked up by php?
15:27.17sprut4nabrotman: n1
15:27.25abrotmansprut4n: you're an idiot
15:27.46sprut4nand you are a stupied english gay?
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15:27.48greycathe is the knight who says "n1"?
15:27.57greycat!tell sprut4n about gay
15:28.02Fremabrotman, I think I've got apache running, I've also got a mailserver thatsstarting up by default i just found out about. i'm sure thes more.
15:28.12PhatedIs abrotman english?
15:28.12abrotmanFrem: well ..you installed apache
15:28.14neeneevaldyn_: i see.
15:28.21binary_dreamerhi i installed some programms using the apt-get command. unfortunatelly i do not see the programms under the k>programs >list. any idea what to do? please prefix
15:28.22neeneevaldyn_: where did you read this?
15:28.22abrotmanPhated: not really .. i'm a bastard
15:28.24greycatFrem: I doubt an MTA would put much load on a box, unless it actually gets some mail.
15:28.31Phatedabrotman: Well, yeah, but so am I.
15:28.32FaithXjm_, there is probably 2mil questions that you could ask that _could_ receive a chorus of duh... from users in the channel
15:28.39PhatedMost services run as daemons, no?
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15:28.45simonrvnbinary_dreamer: they will certainly be accessible from the command line
15:28.46Fremabrotman, yeah, i did, but it seemed faster before i did.
15:28.50jm_FaithX: even more
15:28.57mr_obbI use the following command: "apt-get -t testing install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7" and it says "Couldn't find package kernel-image...". This package is mentioned on http://packages.debian.org/testing/allpackages. What do I do wrong?
15:29.02abrotmanFrem: so uninstall it if you don't use it
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15:29.17greycat*don't* uninstall your MTA, though.
15:29.36greycatyou'll just cause unnecessary hardship and spew us with silly questions
15:29.37BACbKAmr_obb: did you make sure that testing is in your sources.list? did you run apt-get update?
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15:29.52Fremgreycat, is dissabling it at startup ok, though?
15:30.02greycatFrem: depends.
15:30.03abrotmanmr_obb: why are you doing that instead of upgrading to sarge?
15:30.04DeeJayHow do i get the newest debian packages ? Shall i replace the "stable" with "testing" in my sources.list?
15:30.07henriklarssonin qtparted my partitions is showing up as /dev/hda-1 . i cannot see it in cfdisk or fdisk
15:30.11greycatDeeJay: /msg dpkg stable->testing
15:30.19abrotman!tell DeeJay about woody->sarge
15:30.21binary_dreamersimonrvn, yes i know that, but i would like it to access it from the k>list
15:30.24DeeJayk
15:30.33BACbKAbinary_dreamer: there is a KDE menu update utility, try it
15:30.41Fremgreycat, cuz this is a really slow 480MHz box, i need to get all the speed i can out of it.
15:30.52abrotmanFrem: and you run KDE?
15:30.57greycatgranted, it's an HP PA-RISC 2.0.
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15:31.01PhatedPah. What kind of WM are you running?
15:31.04binary_dreamerBACbKA, which one?
15:31.06Fremabrotman, no, i run ROX-session
15:31.07PhatedTo Frem.
15:31.22BACbKAbinary_dreamer: somewhere on that K menu... explore it...
15:31.25PhatedRox, eh. Well... Better than KDE.
15:31.26abrotmanFrem: how much RAM?
15:31.42Fremabrotman, 96mb
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15:31.55greycatKDE would probably run better with more RAM
15:31.55abrotmanFrem: get more
15:31.56PhatedHAH! That's more than I have. You officially lose whining rights.
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15:32.00abrotmanFrem: or run blackbox
15:32.04Fremabrotman, and X is taking up like a third of it :-p
15:32.07greycator fvwm or wmaker or ...
15:32.07abrotmanPhated: 64mb song?
15:32.10DeeJayabrotman is this okay: http://www.pastebin.com/228811
15:32.12Phatedabrotman: Yes, yes.
15:32.17PhatedOpenbox.
15:32.25DeeJaynever mind, it seems to be ok
15:32.28abrotmanDeeJay: looks fine
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15:32.41binary_dreamerBACbKA, propably it is not installed! as i already searched for something like that.
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15:32.50DeeJayabrotman do you got any good mirrors i coul dadd?
15:32.53DeeJaycould add*
15:33.12toresbegreycat: Are the PA-RISC computers any fun?
15:33.26greycattoresbe: sarge doesn't install on parisc (and yes, there's a bug report)
15:33.37PhatedDon't talk hardware with toresbe. Makes a mess.
15:33.37greycattoresbe: apart from that, the hardware is really quite nice
15:33.41abrotmanDeeJay: i only use one
15:33.41toresbegreycat: I was referring to hardware :P
15:33.41BACbKAbinary_dreamer: I can't help you as I am running a l10n-ed version
15:33.44greycattoresbe: too bad they normally come with HP-UX.
15:33.44MikeCamelgot a new graphics card yesterday - best way to configure it in X?  Other than hand-editing, obviously.
15:33.49abrotmangreycat: i thought it was just superduper slow
15:33.51Fremabrotman, the thing is, I get a small speed bost by running a lighter wm, but its not *that* much of a speed boost. windows 98 runs faster on this box, so i figure these a few things i need to disable.
15:33.55toresbegreycat: That changes quickly :)
15:34.00DeeJayabrotman hmm 'apt-get dist-upgrade' doesnt wanna upgrade anything :|
15:34.01mr_obbgreycat: doing an upgrade to sarge right now...
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15:34.09DeeJayI've done an update ofc
15:34.14abrotmanFrem: wrong .. your WM can make a huge difference. . i used to run blackbox on a 486 with 36MB .. ran perfectly fine
15:34.20DeeJayoh nvm
15:34.22abrotmanDeeJay: did you apt-get update first?
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15:34.32DeeJayyeh
15:34.38toresbeFrem: apt-get install fluxbox and feel the speeeeed
15:34.40greycatI used to run a 486 with 12 MB... but that *didn't* run perfectly fine :/
15:34.49Phatedtoresbe: Openbox is fastar than flux.
15:34.52binary_dreamerBACbKA, sorry got disconnected. could u repeat?
15:34.53greycatwhen I upgraded it to 40 MB, it was much happier.
15:34.57DeeJayBut something got b0rked abrotman :)
15:35.01toresbePhated: I haven't tried it
15:35.04abrotmanof course .. that was also X3.3 :)
15:35.07Phatedtoresbe: Try it.
15:35.14Fremtoresbe, I have:-) ROX-session isnt much slower *and* i get icons on the desktop without messing with dfm.
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15:35.17BACbKAbinary_dreamer: I am running a Russian GUI in KDE, so my menu entries are not what you see
15:35.23toresbePhated: Does it have any interesting extra features
15:35.27binary_dreamerBACbKA, ok
15:35.29BACbKAbinary_dreamer: try smth like K/settings/menu editor
15:35.41Phatedtoresbe: Not really. It does have a config tool that works, unlike fbconf.
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15:35.46binary_dreamerBACbKA, thanks
15:35.52BACbKAbinary_dreamer: you are welcome
15:35.56toresbePhated: fbconf sucks :)
15:36.07Phatedtoresbe: Exactly. obconf doesn't.
15:36.21toresbePhated: fluxbox should be configed with $EDITOR :)
15:36.22Phatedapt-get install openbox obconf, sing it!
15:36.32Phatedtoresbe: Never could be bothered.
15:36.34toresbePhated: nah, I'm sticking with Flux
15:36.42toresbePhated: But the Flux defaults are nice
15:36.56FremPhated, vi the config files! do it the real way!
15:36.58PhatedNot really. I always end up using themes.
15:37.12abrotmanDeeJay: borked?
15:37.13abrotmanFrem: X takes a lot of RAM .. are you getting a lot of swapping?
15:37.22DeeJayNevermind :)
15:37.30PhatedFrem: Bugger off, you install unneeded software on your system and then whine, don't tell me how to run mine. :/
15:37.30abrotmanDeeJay: ?
15:37.32toresbePhated: only change I've made was to broaden the bottom taskbar to the full screen, all that space wasn' used anyway
15:37.32Fremabrotman, yeah.
15:37.38DeeJayabrotman yeah, nevermind it works now
15:37.50abrotmanFrem: well .. can you see what services are started?
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15:37.55Phatedtoresbe: Ah. I just use fbpanel in openbox. More configurable anyway.
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15:38.16PhatedBut flux does have those nice tabbed windows.
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15:38.31toresbeI've never gotten that whole "tabbing" thing
15:38.34toresbewhat's it about?
15:38.48PhatedIt's like tabbed browsing in FF, only you can do it to say a bunch of xterms.
15:38.48abrotmantoresbe: MDI is great
15:38.59PhatedJust middle-click on one titlebar and drop it on another.
15:39.01Fremabrotman, what command shows them all? top? i can't seem to find anything else, but top moves around too fast for me to read.
15:39.05toresbePhated: Oh. That seems useful...
15:39.10abrotmanFrem: man update-rc.d
15:39.11toresbePhated: I just usually turn off tabs
15:39.14Phatedtoresbe: It is. It's fun anyway.
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15:40.32PhatedMeh, I never liked to switch desktops.
15:40.34toresbeonce I have to do unergonomic switches to desk 6 and up I have a problem
15:40.54toresbePhated: The way fluxbox does it, it's very likeable
15:40.57PhatedI always bring my desktops down to one.
15:41.02Phatedtoresbe: How?
15:41.13toresbealt-f[1234..]
15:41.28toresbePhated: like virtual consoles, basically
15:41.31PhatedAh.
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15:41.39pwnedopenbox switches them with middle scroll
15:41.39BACbKAjdthood: I'm running kernel 2.6
15:41.45BACbKAjdthood: is that OK?
15:41.49toresbepwned: Yeah, flux can do that too
15:41.55pwnedI like that ability
15:41.57greycatI'd imagine most such beta testers would be 2.6 users
15:41.57jdthoodBACbKA: yep
15:41.57toresbeI just don't have a scroll wheel :)
15:42.05neeneejdthood: experimental? or unstable
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15:42.16jdthoodneenee: unstable
15:42.22si|vercatwould be nice to be able to change desktops with my horizontal scroll buttons on my mx-1000
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15:42.28neeneejdthood: then i am interested
15:42.34jdthoodYou can compile alsa-modules packages from alsa-source for either 2.4 or 2.6 kernels.
15:42.37BACbKAjdthood: OK, but beware that my machine is borked wrt the keyboard disappearance at the first KDM boot :)
15:42.37Husk1what do i need to get my usb mouse working under 2.6 kernel?
15:42.41florisbarthelHi
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15:42.51greycat!2.6 mouse
15:42.51dpkgi guess 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3))
15:42.59pwnedit gets girls
15:42.59neeneejdthood: but i do not do anything special with alsa. i listen to music and play games. i have an sblive 5.1 (analog) with 5.1 speakers.
15:43.08valdyn_jdthood: but need to disable in-kernel alsa?
15:43.19neeneehm
15:43.21jdthoodBACbKA, neenee, etc.: Get packages at http://www.aglu.demon.nl/alsa/
15:43.25florisbarthelI keep getting this error when compling a program: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
15:43.44jdthoodvaldyn_: If you install alsa-modules* then its modules will take precedence over the ones in kernel-image*.
15:43.46florisbarthelHowever I've installed libqt3-dev and libqt3-headers
15:44.09greycatflorisbarthel: may also need the -mt-dev thingy.  I forget its name.
15:44.11greycatisn't it in the FAQ?
15:44.16pwnedflorisbarthel, did you install libqt3-dev ?
15:44.23pwnedah
15:44.31jdthoodBACbKA, neenee, valdyn_: If you encounter problems, please file bugs in the Debian BTS.  Yes, even though these are only ~rc1 packages.
15:44.43AtropineI have after a dist-upgrade 2 packages not upgraded, how can i know "why" and "whiches" ?
15:44.43valdyn_jdthood: oh, ops, i meant: ...need to disable in-kernel alsa if i want to compile alsa from your source package
15:44.49pwnedflorisbarthel, did you install libgq-dev as well? maybe they conflict
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15:44.59pwnedI mean libqt-dev
15:45.02greycatAtropine: /msg dpkg kept back
15:45.09neeneejdthood: i do not use a debian kernel though.
15:45.13Atropinegreycat: thanks
15:45.15jdthoodvaldyn_: No, you don't need to disable in-kernel alsa in order to install alsa-modules packages built from alsa-source.
15:45.15florisbarthelI'll try but at least libqt3-dev and libqt3-mt-dev seem to conflict
15:45.15BACbKAjdthood: should I bring the alsa-source package in, and then build with module-assist?
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15:45.39jdthoodneenee: That's OK; you should be able to build alsa-modules packages for non-Debian kernels using make-kpkg.
15:45.54jdthoodBACbKA: Yes, or use make-kpkg.
15:46.08Atropinegreycat: this doesn't tell me which packages have been held and why they were
15:46.10neeneejdthood: should i use the debian packages on that site? or compile myself
15:46.29jdthoodneenee: Best to build yourself, of course.
15:46.35BACbKAjdthood: d/l=ing
15:46.45greycatAtropine: held != kept back
15:46.56jdthoodneenee: The source packages are there too.
15:46.59neeneehow would building myself test the debian packages? or did you just want people to test the latest alsa software with debian?
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15:47.27florisbarthelStill nothing
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15:48.06neeneejdthood: the latest packages on alsa-project.org are 1.0.8
15:48.20Atropinegreycat: ok, sorry, i just figured out
15:48.25florisbarthelpwned: Nothing :(
15:48.33jdthoodneenee: By "build yourself" I mean: get the .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc and use (e.g.) debuild to generate .deb's.
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15:48.38florisbarthelgreycat: Njet:(
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15:49.02neeneejdthood: er ok. i will see what i can do
15:49.20jdthoodneenee: If you don't know what I'm talking about then just download the .deb's that are there if you trust that they're not from someone evil.
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15:50.33neeneejdthood: indeed i'm quite new to debian :) i do not mind compiling myself, nor making debian packages, but i'd first have to figure out how :)
15:50.49valdyn_jdthood: ALSA_CARDS="alle". thats supposed to be localised?
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15:51.01jdthoodvaldyn_: Where do you see that?
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15:51.17valdyn_jdthood: /etc/alsa/alsa-source.conf
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15:51.43jdthoodvaldyn_: No, that shouldn't be localised.
15:52.06greycatneenee: dpkg-source -x *.dsc; cd <somewhere_new>; fakeroot debian/rules binary
15:52.23ricky_clarksonneenee: There's a good Debian FAQ somewhere around.
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15:52.52valdyn_jdthood: im purging and installing alsa-source again, just to confirm..
15:53.09pwnedflorisbarthel, what is the value of your $QTDIR ?
15:53.15jdthoodvaldyn_: It's strange that you get "alle".  I tested it and I get "all" even when I set LANG=nl_NL@euro for the dpkg-reconfigure.
15:53.21neeneei will try to make alsa 1.0.8 packages then
15:53.36neeneealle is not even proper dutch.. it should be 'allen
15:53.51valdyn_jdthood: confirmed, always is "alle" for me
15:53.51jdthoodneenee: "alle" is German, I believe.
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15:53.55neeneeallez :)
15:54.00pwnedalles.
15:54.03jdthoodvaldyn_: Your locale?
15:54.19neeneealle mensen
15:54.19neeneehm
15:54.21valdyn_jdthood: d_DE@euro
15:54.24neeneenow i'm not even sure about dutch
15:54.25valdyn_jdthood: dw_DE@euro
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15:54.29neeneealle is dutch
15:54.32neeneenever mind me
15:54.32valdyn_jdthood: de_DE@euro ( ick )
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15:55.19BACbKAfuck - I had a KDE-induced lockup
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15:55.48BACbKAthat alsa rc1 link will be appreciated
15:56.05jdthoodDutch is "allemaal"
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15:56.16BACbKAjdthood: ?
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15:56.38jdthoodEnglish "all" = Dutch "allemaal" = German "alle"
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15:56.55BACbKAjdthood: can you please re-paste the alsa link
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15:57.28jdthoodBACbKA: http://www.aglu.demon.nl/alsa/
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15:57.48mathieu_alle is an adjetive in dutch
15:57.55mathieu_every
15:58.14toresbemethinks that it is time to sleep
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15:58.23PhatedEr... Don't use KDE? *shrugs*
15:58.23toresbenight folks
15:58.29toresbefolken?
15:58.29jdthoodvaldyn_: I do "LC_ALL=de_DE@euro LANG=de_DE@euro dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source" and I always get ALSA_CARDS=all
15:58.34toresbefolkii? :D
15:58.50destr0how many goats do you have to sacrifice to get php4-mysql configured properly?
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15:59.06BACbKAPhated: KDE sucks, but is the best option given my l10n needs
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15:59.18PhatedYour choice.
15:59.37PhatedYou could, of course, probably config it to open links by default in Firefox.
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15:59.46greycatdestr0: just 1, but you have to get the incantation *just* right.
16:00.14BACbKAPhated: never thought of that, actually :^) is it really possible? I'll do it then
16:00.28BACbKAsorry folks, guests came in, have to signoff
16:00.35PhatedProbably. Poke around the app you're using.
16:00.44BACbKAjdthood: I'll reportbug if something doesn't build or crashes me
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16:00.54valdyn_jdthood: oh i just noticed, i didnt use your rc1, but alsa-source_1.0.7-2_all.deb, so either someone fixed this bug alerady or im really confused that it behaves different for you, trying rc1
16:00.58jdthoodHas anyone else installed alsa-source, answered the debconf questions, and ended up with non-English value of ALSA_CARDS?
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16:01.31jaszhello
16:01.33GlitchMasterHey.. um... Is there some sort of line indicating the end of a text file when used as a "text program"?
16:01.37abrotmandestr0: did you uncomment the .so in php.ini ?
16:01.37jdthoodvaldyn_: Yes, this was fixed in rc1 I think.
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16:01.42GlitchMaster"Unexpected EOF while looking for matchin `"  "
16:01.46GlitchMastermatching*
16:01.53jaszis there any application or trick to be able to listen to Yahoo Launchast with Debian ?
16:02.01abrotmanwhat format is it?
16:02.04greycatGlitchMaster: no, Unix doesn't have an EOF "sentinel".
16:02.12greycatGlitchMaster: EOF means "I tried to read, but there wasn't any more data"
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16:02.21PhatedProbably someone munging up the file.
16:02.28greycatyou fucked up the script.
16:02.36GlitchMasterEh?
16:02.42GlitchMasterIt's just text... It's not a script...
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16:02.56GlitchMasterThis is for a screensaver that reads a text file.
16:03.03valdyn_jdthood: alright, its fine now, sorry
16:03.14jdthoodvaldyn_: Great
16:03.31greycatGlitchMaster: something is a script, and that script has unbalanced quotes.
16:03.46ricky_clarkson/nick GlitchSLAVE
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16:04.10jdthoodAnyone here need to reload ALSA drivers after suspend-and-resume?
16:04.12hanoi_pmcan I install kernel-source-2.6.10 for sid to use for sarge?
16:04.21greycathanoi_pm: yes
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16:05.02GlitchMaster...
16:05.05hanoi_pmgreycat: so I can always use sid packages on a sarge system?
16:05.11greycathanoi_pm: not always..
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16:05.17neeneejdthood: sorry, i will not help. though i come from gentoo and am used to running the latest and greatest, i wanted to try something more stable this time. good luck though :)
16:05.28jaszhanoi_pm: maybe it'd be easier to download your kernel sources from kernel.org
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16:06.02hanoi_pmjasz: there are plenty of debian patches you can't get from kernel.org, is it correct?
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16:06.07jdthoodneenee: OK
16:06.12GlitchMastergreycat: the file it complains about is a plain text file with no contained quotations...
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16:06.26greycatGlitchMaster: what is "it" that is complaining?
16:06.43Phated"a screensaver, I told you."
16:06.48jaszhanoi_pm: .. i have no idea..
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16:07.00destr0abrotman: yeah, the line is uncommented.  Something is funky though, when I try to run phpinfo();  it just hangs halfway through the output when mysql.so is included in php.ini
16:07.13GlitchMastergreycat: The Star Wars xscreensaver. :P
16:07.15Phatedhanoi_pm: The debian kernel-source packages are patched, yes.
16:07.23doltsometimes after I have closed or killed a runaway process, my processor usage continues to stay at 100%... if I go to "top" it shows that cpu usage under the "wa" section is at 100% but there are no shown processes that I can kill to get my cpu back.  Does anyone know what this wa thing is and how I can kill these processes?
16:07.23FieldySnutshehe I am so amused, that server i just stuck in the rack is called Badger
16:07.23gimbalhello, folks. Does anyone know what debian documentaiton manual would describe "the nature and usage of /var/backups " ? I'm guessing a cron-job is what keeps that dir populated with such *very nice* files, but  .. not sure how to grep for such, either. So, if it's in a manual, and y'd know, I will quite dearly apprecate (being able to use) this feature of Debain, heh
16:07.30FieldySnutsdamn, type shorter
16:07.38greycatGlitchMaster: does it have a name?
16:07.39hanoi_pmPhated: thank you
16:08.16GlitchMastergreycat: The screensaver app? "StarWars", as far as I know.
16:08.24greycat!find bin/StarWars$ sid
16:08.25destr0It's pretty sweet when the php configuration on debian unstable seems to be more stable then debian stable.
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16:08.30gudentokhi
16:08.31gimbalchecking /etc/cron.daily though .. maybe else
16:08.38dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/StarWars' returned no results.
16:08.56greycatGlitchMaster: what do you TYPE on your KEYBOARD to make it RUN?
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16:09.10Phatedgreycat: It'a a GUI config thing.
16:09.14gudentokWell i try, 'n try "iwconfig eth2 mode Monitor" but it doen't set my interface in monitor mode! whqt's wrong?
16:09.22gimbalyes! found it; /etc/cron.daily/standard
16:09.23PhatedProbably provided by xscreensaver.
16:09.46gimbalok; i could find it; yay; nice point of debian, btw: that it even *keeps* /var/backup/ like it does hehe
16:09.56GlitchMastergreycat: Nothing. It's a GUI-click-based run via GNOME's xscreensaver browser/selection.
16:10.03greycatGNOME.  Fucking figures.
16:10.11greycathave fun filing bug reports.
16:10.16rpetregreycat: i think is "starwars" from xscreensaver
16:10.19PhatedGlitchMaster: If you go into the config, you'll find somewhere that you can see the command used to launch it.
16:10.24GlitchMasterDude, it's not GNOME that does it! -_-
16:10.25rpetresomething with GL
16:10.46greycatwell, I guarantee you, there's a shell script with a bug in it *somewhere* in that story.
16:11.23gudentokI can't set my wifi interface on monitor mode.
16:11.23rpetreit displays the otput of fortune
16:11.51pipelinexscreensaver isn't even associated with gnome
16:11.54pipelineIt sucks all by itself
16:11.56pipelineindependently
16:12.08FieldySnutsamen
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16:12.29GlitchMasterThe screensaver reads the text file like it's some sort of script. Instead of displaying the text, it displays errors if it can't read the file properly. Right now I have two errors: "line 1: unexpected EOF when looking for matching" and "line 28: Syntax Error: Unexpected end of file"
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16:12.46schizoschafhi
16:12.46destr0is the dl(); function what finds and loads the libraries for php?
16:12.58GlitchMasterPhated: I'll look at that. Good idea.
16:13.14jdthoodBACbKA: What sound card driver do you use?
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16:13.24greycatdestr0: ask #php
16:13.26PhatedGlitchMaster: Look at the damn file it's trying to read. Maybe there was a typo or some shit. Anyway they already figured out the command.
16:13.28schizoschafis there any graphics adapter, competetive with geforce2 or better, with free drivers?
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16:13.42greycatschizoschaf: depends on what you want them to do.
16:13.59schizoschafi want them to not taint my kernel
16:14.03jdthoodvaldyn_:  What sound card driver do you use?
16:14.09greycatschizoschaf: 3D?  2D?
16:14.19FieldySnutsheh he said taint
16:14.24PhatedHow about just using something that's already in the kernel?
16:14.33greycatlow-end Radeon using the "ati" driver in sarge's XFree86 works fine in 2D mode
16:14.41valdyn_jdthood: snd_via82xx and snd_usb_audio
16:14.43justingreycat: they work fine for 3d too
16:14.44greycat!sing tainted love
16:14.47GlitchMasterPhated: I've been looking at the file for several minutes. It's just a fucking text document I've typed up! It's not supposed to be any sort of script! >.<
16:15.00Phated*shrugs* OK.
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16:15.04jdthoodvaldyn_: Do these survive suspend-and-resume without having to be reloaded?
16:15.14asuffieldgreycat: as do current radeons
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16:15.44schizoschafgreycat, should have opengl
16:15.57valdyn_jdthood: no idea, i dont do either
16:16.22greycatschizoschaf: that's kind of an IMPORTANT FACET OF YOUR QUESTION, don't you think?
16:16.36afaikhwo do I stop the console beep!?
16:16.39afaikit's loud
16:16.43afaikand fucking annoying
16:16.43Phatedafaik: /msg dpkg bell
16:16.44greycatafaik: /msg dpkg bell
16:16.54PhatedIsn't there an OpenGL hardware list or something?
16:17.03schizoschafgreycat yes it is... competetive with gforce2 implies 3D imho
16:17.05jdthoodvaldyn_: I'd be happy if you tried /etc/init.d/alsa force-restart ; but be prepared for your sound apps to be killed :)
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16:17.13jaszhow do i listen to Yahoo Launchast Radio in linux?
16:17.22asuffieldschizoschaf: why? most systems will never use 3d for anything
16:17.24asuffieldit's only for games
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16:17.54nvzPhated: A wha wha wha?
16:17.57jdthoodvaldyn_: (First install alsa-base 1.0.7-3~rc1)
16:18.03hanoi_pmIs there any apt system based on bittorrent?
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16:18.35Guerinhanoi_pm: someone's supposedly working on one, but it's not really a big concern, since debian is nowhere near short on bandwidth
16:18.38user_hello, i'm reading about this mod_security for chrooting apache, is secure as the old method?
16:18.45PhatedIt's not going to be significantly faster.
16:18.51afaikand is there anyway to get a whole directory and it's contents from sftp? I tried using sftp, it tried to tell me it isnt a regular file
16:19.02afaikI just want to get the bloody thing >:(
16:19.12asuffieldhanoi_pm: that would be silly. the debian archive is far too large and heavily used for a centralised system
16:19.13Phatedafaik: cd dir/, get *?
16:19.25hanoi_pmGuerin: but I usually can't reach the limit of the bandwidth
16:19.27user_afaik: mget
16:19.28afaikPhated, I should do that for all the subdirs!?
16:19.35asuffieldit could never carry that kind of load
16:19.39afaikthere's a good 120 subdirs in there :)
16:19.39user_afaik: use wget
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16:19.51Phatedafaik: I care, why? You can ask whoever runs it to tgz them.
16:20.05Guerinhanoi_pm: what limit?
16:20.06afaikah, scp with -r
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16:20.11greycatafaik: can't you ssh in?
16:20.25hanoi_pmoh well, I see, deb package is usually too small for bittorrent, thank you
16:20.36asuffieldno, too large
16:20.47Phatedhanoi_pm: Unless you're getting speeds of 20kBps and below, you don't have reason to whine.
16:21.02greycatPhated: YM 2kBps and below.
16:21.04asuffieldcentralised systems like bittorrent can't handle 80Gb of data going out to hundreds of thousands of nodes
16:21.13hanoi_pmPhated: I want it to be 350KB/s all the time ;)
16:21.14Phatedgreycat: Oh, right.
16:21.20nvzPhated: you mean like an X supported hardware list? like.. well they changed the site.. I guess its http://xfree86.org/4.3.0/manindex4.html now
16:21.31Phatedhanoi_pm: You can go get yourself a fatter pipe and quit whining.
16:21.38greycathanoi_pm: run your own damned mirror
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16:21.44PhatedWhat greycat said.
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16:21.59PhatedMost people are satisfied with a steady what... 50kBps?
16:22.02Guerinhanoi_pm: I get ~500kBps all the time
16:22.51greycatPhated: that's about my theoretical max incoming.
16:22.51PhatedGuerin: hush up, you with your militarily-fat pipe.
16:22.51asuffieldPhated: you have a small pipe
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16:22.51Phatedgreycat: Yeah, so is mine. I usually get about 150 though.
16:22.51hanoi_pmthank you, in Vietnam, the slowest broadband connection is 2mbit, and some Japan mirror can usually serve at full speed
16:22.51Phatedasuffield: See above.
16:22.53Phated150 is OK.
16:22.55greycatPhated: your measured throughput exceeds your advertised by a factor of *three*?
16:23.15Phatedgreycat: *shrugs* I'm not going to complain, am I.
16:23.19greycatI assure you, when they say mine's 512 kbps, they *mean* it.
16:23.22hanoi_pmGuerin: so your system is perfect to get kernel-source packages :)
16:23.41Guerinhanoi_pm: you're limited by international links. I get ~500kbps within korea, but that's throttled server-side, because my incoming is well over a megabyte per second
16:23.48greycatand that's 512 kbps of PPPOE, less actual payload.
16:24.03Phatedgreycat: Ahh, no, my advertised is in the range of 187.5. :/ My bad.
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16:24.25Guerinhanoi_pm: I get ~250kBps from .us and .de servers, and I consider that pretty decent since it's a long way away.
16:24.33nvz187.5 almost homicide
16:24.35hanoi_pmGuerin: korean has a perfect broadband infrastructure, no comment about it
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16:24.39Phatednvz: Why?
16:24.47greycat187.5 kilobytes or kilobits?
16:24.54asuffieldnah, korea and japan just *have* infrastructure
16:24.55PhatedBytes.
16:24.58asuffieldas opposed to, say, the US, which does not
16:24.59nvzPhated: US police code 187 == Homicide
16:25.06Phatednvz: Oh. Heh.
16:25.10Guerinhanoi_pm: as opposed to, say,  vietnam.
16:25.10jdthoodvaldyn_, others: I have to go now.  If you encounter any problems with the alsa packages then reportbug them.  Thanks for testing.
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16:25.38GlitchMasterAaah... I see now.
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16:25.59hanoi_pmlol, Vietnam just plugs the cables to japan and enjoy the speed
16:26.01Phatedgreycat: It's terribly deceptive, because everyone who subscribes to the same service I do whines about no getting 1.5mBps downloads.
16:26.02GlitchMasterThe screensaver DOES run it as a script (adding # to every line makes nothing appear, as it is all comentary stuff)
16:26.05greycatPhated: people seem to kill each other a lot in the US.
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16:26.15valdyn_jdthood: ok, alright
16:26.17Phatedgreycat: Well... I'm not complaining. :)
16:26.27bbhillhello
16:26.34user_hello, is the mod_security jail secure as a common one?
16:26.34greycatmaybe it's because we have shitty broadband!  yeah!
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16:26.50Phatedgreycat: "Infohighway Rage"?
16:26.51GlitchMasterTo save me some digging, could somebody throw the commands for "display text line" and "line return" at me, to run in a shell?
16:27.02greycatuser_: mod_security doesn't have a guy named Bubba
16:27.03caphusoGlitchMaster: echi
16:27.05caphusoGlitchMaster: echo
16:27.08asuffieldgreycat: I always thought it was because you're a bunch of stupid dickheads
16:27.10Phatedecho -n "something \\n"
16:27.16greycatasuffield: oh, maybe that's it.
16:27.24petemcman tr
16:27.27pipelineasuffield: The U.S. has miles of dark fiber.  It's simply not cost effective.  Population densities are much, much, MUCH higher in Korea and Japan.  Consider that hardly anyone who would be interested in broadband lives outside of Seoul, then wiring Korea looks like less of a challenge.
16:27.28Guerinanyway, sleep time
16:27.29user_greycat: sorry ?
16:27.35Phatednvz: Probably is. Or just pick up a radio scanner. :)
16:27.41mr_obbI installed Debian using floppy disks and net-install. Now I upgraded to Sarge and kernel 2.6.8-10. It works like a charm, but the via-rhine module isn't working. During Boot I see some FATAL warnings passing by, but they are not recorded in /var/log/messages nor /var/log/ker.log
16:27.43greycatuser_: you asked about comparing mod_security jail to "a common one"
16:27.46Guerintomorrow I'm going to recce the city where next year's contract is likely to be based
16:27.56mr_obbWhat should I do?
16:27.57PhatedGuerin: Oooh, that sounds like fun.
16:28.01GuerinI don't hold high hopes, but the money is good.
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16:28.06greycatuser_: I can only assume "a common one" means "a common jail" which in turn mean "a prison facility"
16:28.09PhatedGood he says.
16:28.13GuerinPhated: any road trip with me is fun :)
16:28.13asuffieldand that would be the stock corporate excuse for why they haven't bothered to build broadband-to-the-home infrastructure in the US
16:28.19user_Is the mod_security jail for apache secure as a one builted using makejail?
16:28.22PhatedGuerin: Oh, really. :)
16:28.34GuerinPhated: you had better believe it.
16:28.36greycatNo manual entry for makejail
16:28.46PhatedGuerin: Yessir.
16:28.47greycat!find makejail
16:28.50Guerinmore fun when have my own car driving, though...
16:28.50nvzPhated: well so far it seems it can vary from one precinct to the next
16:28.52dpkgmakejail: (Automatically create chroot jails for programs), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
16:28.56greycatah.  a package.
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16:29.06Phatednvz: Pffft, inconsistent Americans.
16:29.47user_greycat: i know what makejail is, and i know it work in a different way of mod_security ...
16:29.59user_for this reason i'm asking.
16:30.37hanoi_pmGuerin: do you have the detail internet map of the region?
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16:32.17GlitchMasterSorry to bug you with ignorant questions... -.-  GACK... It's still disfunctional with the same errors.
16:32.29GlitchMasterHow does one indicate the "end" of a file?! ._.
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16:33.22abrotmandestr0: did you ask #php ?
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16:34.55nvzPhated: well alot of things are the same, but like in the south 10-28 could be call home an tell mama I'll be home late, or something
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16:35.38tyiais there a way to use remote X sessions from win machines?
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16:36.04Bolstyia, vnc?
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16:36.43abrotmantyia: there are commercial remote X apps .. or i think cygwin can do it
16:37.16nvzPhated: most people know 187 as homicide, 207 kidnapping, 211 armed robery, 311 indecent exposure..  most things are universial, but some of the radio codes are different from one town to the next
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16:37.41bbhill311 in progress!
16:37.46initech420?
16:37.49tyiaBols: nope
16:37.51PhatedWhat greycat said about too many people killing each other.
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16:38.28tyiaabrotman: any particular ones that are known to work?
16:38.39abrotmantyia: not that i know of .. i use ssh :)
16:38.39initechthere is a brand of malt liquor called "211 Steel Reserve" :)
16:38.50abrotmaninitech: Colt 45!
16:38.55nvzthere is a band called 311, go figure
16:38.59bbhillPsh you fake ass 40 drinkers! Old English!
16:39.10nvzthey are pretty indecent too, if you ask me
16:39.19initechbbhill: St Ides, patron saint of malt liquor
16:39.25bbhillIt's ok
16:39.34bbhillDosent get 4 inches of NASTY foam on the top like OE though
16:39.56initechbbhill: but it comes it patriotic colors, red white and blue!
16:40.07bbhillI thought St Ides was green
16:40.08Trev_<PROTECTED>
16:40.08PhatedPatriotic to who?
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16:40.36bbhillI might be thinking of Mickeys though
16:40.52iorsiWhere do I buy an ethernet-modem cable?
16:40.54initechPhated: a good 4 July party has flag burnings and St Ides colored malt liquors :)
16:41.01nvz420 isnt even a valid police code, unless you believe rumors, and you are in the 70's in california or something
16:41.01PhatedHah.
16:41.19unixornany ideas when sarge will become stable?
16:41.24PhatedNope.
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16:41.30initechunixorn: 2034
16:41.34unixornlol
16:41.38bbhillPhated: Do you have a sec to give me a hand with what we were doing last night? it broke my box :)
16:41.38PhatedSo soon?
16:41.47initechunixorn: it will have KDE 3.3.1 as well
16:41.49Phatedbbhill: I did nothing, but what's wrong?
16:41.58PhatedWell, I did little.
16:42.13bbhillPhated: I'm not blaming, just looking to get it working. I installed the new image, added it to Lilo
16:42.16bbhillRan lilo
16:42.18bbhillRebooted
16:42.28Phatedbbhill: And?
16:42.46bbhillSound didnt work, network didnt work.. I double checked lilo.conf and i did it right. Rebooted AGAIN.. And now ive got kernel panic VFS unable to mount root FS
16:42.48bbhillWont boot up
16:43.02PhatedChose the right image? Modprobed the modules?
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16:43.10PhatedYou do need to do these with a new kernel.
16:43.16PhatedEspecially a kernel-image.
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16:43.36skoolhi
16:43.38nvzI might just walk up to the 5-0 as a matter of fact.. though not to see the piggies
16:43.43justinbbhill: if sound and network didn't work, but the kernel booted, what did you expect chaning lilo.conf to accomplish?
16:43.44PhatedThe kernel panic I can almost certainly attribute to a mischosen boot selection, because the kernel-image should have worked.
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16:43.55takatumiprobably initrd
16:43.58bbhilljustin: I didnt change lilo.conf except the first time.
16:44.01FieldySnuts@lart nonstandard scsi jumper pin spacings (1.8mm instead of 2.0)
16:44.01bbhillAnd it worked that time.
16:44.15bbhillYeah, but how do I get myself booted up now? I cant get through boot.
16:44.18Phatedbbhill: Reboot again, please, and make sure you choose the right image, ie, the kernel-image one.
16:44.26nvzFieldySnuts: you measure things this insignificant alot?
16:44.32PhatedIf not, rescue disk time. :)
16:44.45initechhuygens has landed!!!!
16:44.50bbhillI apt-get installed exactly what Guerin told me so I think it's the right one. Standby rebooting now
16:44.51PhatedWho?
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16:44.57PhatedOh, FUCK, I missed the webcast.
16:45.00nvzmini jumpers were introduced when some dumb company I think seagate, started putting them on the bottom of the drive
16:45.18GlitchMasterHA. All I had to do was put quotes at the beginning and end of the file...
16:45.19GlitchMasterFigures.
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16:45.32nvzs/alot/a lot/
16:46.01bbhillPhated: its definitely hosed.. Failed again on boot with the same error.
16:46.18PhatedThat is very odd. It can't have booted once and then failed.
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16:46.56bbhillI booted - It worked, I nano -w lilo.conf.. Checked the line i added (the one it tells you to add in apt-get install of a kernel image) exited lilo, typed dhcpcd eth0 , it did nothing, then I rebooted and it failed.
16:46.57mr_obbAfter upgrading to 2.6.8-10 kernel, my system can't find the via-rhine-scyld module anymore. How can I reinstall this module?
16:47.05nvzwell it says its 37degF out there, I had better find more clothes if I am going out there.
16:47.11bbhillBut I didnt change anything in the lilo.conf, im sure of it.
16:47.48PhatedWell, find a rescue disk, maybe you can at least get it up... Then you can fix whatever seems wrong and reinstall a kernel or something.
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16:48.52bbhillugh...
16:48.54bbhillOk, thanks
16:48.59destr0has anyone seen this in debian-stable when trying to use php4-mysql?  undefined symbol: php_sprintf in mysql.so
16:49.05Phatedbbhill: Sorry wasn't able to help more. :/
16:49.11mtnmanbbhill: did you run lilo after editing lilo.conf?
16:49.13kikinovakHi. I'd like to rename all my .png icons under /opt/kde/share/icons/crystalsvg by putting a "-plastik" suffix to the filename (thus enabling me to merge two icon themes). Thus, samba.png would become samba-plastik.png, konqueror.png becomes konqueror-plastik, and so on. What I have: find /opt/kde/share/icons/crystalsvg -name "*.png" -exec rename ... but then, what would be the exact syntax after rename? man rename isn't very helpful about th
16:49.16bbhillmtnman: Yes, I did.
16:49.27bbhillmtnman: Said the thing about adding Linux and adding Linux Old
16:49.29Phatedmtnman: He booted it once... It can't be a lilo error.
16:49.51mtnman<bbhill> I booted - It worked, I nano -w lilo.conf.. Checked the line i added
16:49.51mtnman<PROTECTED>
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16:50.08mtnman<PROTECTED>
16:50.14bbhillRight, I typed Lilo before I booted it.
16:50.19bbhillthe first time.
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16:50.46bbhillAfter the first boot, I didnt change anything. And I rebooted. Then it failed.
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16:50.54tyiaabrotman: (re: I use ssh) so do I :(
16:51.19abrotmantyia: maybe #windows would know?
16:51.21mtnmanbbhill: i don't know what you mean by "i didn't change anything".   i thought you edited lilo...
16:51.40bbhillI did. But I didnt change anything. I just checked to make sure I added the line correctly.
16:51.41bbhillAnd I did.
16:51.42tyiaabrotman: I doubt...
16:51.42jsbiffHello - I have an ISA pnp modem that I need to configure. I know in the past, for such tasks, I would use the isapnptools package (pnpdump/isapnp) to do this. With recent kernel versions and debian distros, do you still use this procedure?
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16:52.01tyiaabrotman: it's too NIX-specific
16:52.05jsbiffOr is there a newer procedure for doing such things?
16:52.45Kerr!686
16:52.45dpkgIn a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M.
16:52.51mtnmanjsbiff: when i used isa modems, i would always disable pnp via jumper or whatever.
16:52.52Kerr!386
16:53.03bbhillmtnman: Let me try to break it down for you. I apt-get installed a new kernel image. I added the line it tells you to to Lilo. I rebooted. It worked, but without network or sound. I checked lilo.conf AGAIN.. but didnt change anything. Exited, ran dhcpcd eth0, which did nothing, and then rebooted. And then it failed.
16:53.06bbhillDoes that make sense?
16:53.35mtnmanbbhill: when did you run lilo?
16:53.37Kerrhmm.. what is the best kernel to install an on an amd athlon xp 2200+ machine?
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16:53.56bbhill... Rather than tripping me up in my descriptions, how about helping me?
16:53.57MaulkinKerr: k7
16:54.00jsbiffI need to reboot
16:54.04bbhillI ran Lilo exactly when I told you a minute ago.
16:54.09jsbiffsee you later
16:54.15Kerrk7 O.o?
16:54.17Kerr!k7
16:54.18dpkgrumour has it, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips.
16:54.19mtnmanbbhill: hard to help when i don't understand your description...
16:54.28abrotmantyia: you're looking for a windows client for X .. someone there may know .. or try ##linux
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16:54.48bbhillmtnman: I ran Lilo before the first reboot, after installing the image and after editing lilo.conf and adding the line.
16:55.01Kerri386 compatiable... i take it that means if i'm too lazy to download k7 specific images, i386 will work ?
16:55.09PhatedYep.
16:55.12MaulkinKerr: If you want to use an image, it's kernel-image-2.x.x-n-k7
16:55.28green_earztyia: you could run knoppix on the windows box for X
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16:55.34mtnmanbbhill: is there any possiblility that you, in fact, changed something (however small) during the second edit of lilo.conf, albeit accidentally?
16:55.35MaulkinKerr: but yeah, a generic i386 will work too, just not as efficiently :)
16:55.48KerrMaulkin: I mean disk images... just downloaded and burnt i386 sarge disks 1-3
16:55.50bbhillmtnman: No, because I viewed it as a user.
16:55.53bbhilland I didnt save changes.
16:56.03bbhillThere were no changes.
16:56.19mtnmanbbhill: there must be a missing clue...
16:56.33bbhillit fails on Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3)
16:56.42MaulkinKerr: ahh, yeah, that will work.
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16:57.03dvsKerr: Those disks will still work for you.
16:57.27mtnmanbbhill: well, one thing you could do is boot with a knoppix disk and make sure your root filesystem is not corrupted.
16:58.19bbhillRight. Like Phated said. Rescue disk is my only option at this point really, right?
16:58.30mtnmanbbhill: another thing you could do is paste that error msg into a google search.
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16:58.53Phatedbbhill: Sorry. :) But yeah.
16:59.04bbhillim in way over my head here.
16:59.08PhatedWell, you could boot into single-user.
16:59.09mtnmanbbhill: if you're having trouble mounting the root filesystem, the first thing i would want to check is its integrity.
16:59.34Phatedbbhill: As a point of curiousity, what partition is your root on?
16:59.42bbhillhda3
16:59.55bbhillis my root partition.
17:00.17PhatedAh... Odd, shouldn't that be trying to boot (0,3) instead? I can't recall, but (3,3) sounds suspicious.
17:00.39bbhillYeah, I have 2 drives... drive a is 1 2 3, boot swap root, and drive 2 is mounted to /home.
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17:00.57PhatedRight.
17:01.13Vlad66shouldnt it be (0,2) then?
17:01.30PhatedAh, 0,2. My bad, But either way, 3,3 sounds wrong.
17:01.33bbhillYeah this whole thing is really weird - I know to you guys it sounds like I changed something and messed it up, but I really changed nothing.
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17:02.07bbhillAnd isnt VFS a filesystem?
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17:02.20asgbbhill: a filesystem abstraction layer
17:02.26PhatedDon't think so. At least, probably not the one you're using.
17:02.36Honkytonkcan someone help me with knoppix
17:02.44asgHonkytonk: #knoppix
17:02.55Honkytonki know... but no one is active there
17:03.04mtnmanbbhill: i would ask you to check lilo.conf one more time (though you are certain it is perfect) to make sure that the correct partition is specified as the root filesystem.
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17:03.07asgHonkytonk: then wait until someone is or try their mailing lists
17:03.16dvsmtnman: Get him to #flood
17:03.31Phated(3,3) would sound like /dev/hdd4 was specified.
17:03.42Honkytonki thnik u guys here dont like knoppix.
17:03.52mtnmanbbhill: can you tell me which kernel you switched to/from ?
17:03.55PhatedHonkytonk: We can't help you with Knoppix.
17:03.57dvsHonkytonk: No, they just dont support it
17:03.58asgHonkytonk: not that, we just don't support it because it differs from Debian in important ways
17:04.08bbhillmtnman: Yes. 2.6.10 to 2.6.8
17:04.12Honkytonkin which ways
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17:04.21bbhillthe 2.6.8 was an i686 one I believe.
17:04.23asgHonkytonk: where I running it, I'd be in #knoppix helping you
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17:04.31asgHonkytonk: packages, libraries, runlevels, oh my!
17:04.33mtnmanbbhill: are both configured for initrd?
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17:04.40Honkytonkno its a simple Q
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17:04.45Phatedmtnman: He compiled a 2.6.10 that was munged, and apt-get installed 2.6.8-1-686 on Guerin's advice.
17:04.46Honkytonki will explain..
17:04.46asgHonkytonk: then ask
17:04.48EmptyHonkytonk, if you went into a Jeep channel and asked about your Honda... well then
17:05.05Honkytonki want to use knoppix and i want to copy files into my HD with that
17:05.05bbhillmtnman: exactly what Phated said.
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17:05.18Honkytonkis that possible?
17:05.20mtnmanbbhill: are both configured for initrd?
17:05.28dvsHonkytonk: yes.
17:05.36Honkytonkths dvs..
17:05.37PhatedThey must be, because he WAS able to boot once.
17:05.39Honkytonkthx
17:05.40bbhillmtnman: I dont know how to answer that. Are you referring to the line you add to lilo.conf?
17:05.47Honkytonkbut how..
17:05.52dvsHonkytonk: dunno.
17:06.07Phatedbbhill: You have two entries in your lilo menu, no? Perhaps you could try booting with the other one as well, just to triple-check your config. :)
17:06.10mtnmanbbhill: well, you add the line to lilo.conf if the kernel is configured for initrd.  not all are.
17:06.12bbhillNo Phated
17:06.12asgHonkytonk: see if knopper.net has documentation; see if knoppix comes with help files.
17:06.18bbhillWhen I boot, it just says LILO - Loading Linux
17:06.19bbhillNo choice.
17:06.34asgbbhill: hold down the left shift key before you get there
17:06.41PhatedWhat asg said.
17:06.46bbhillDoing that now. standby
17:06.51PhatedI was trying to remember the key.. Thanks asg. :)
17:07.02asgPhated: that one's always worked for me :)
17:07.04Honkytonki spend about 30 minutes loking for help in the cd asg---
17:07.19Phatedasg: I've never had to do that. :)
17:07.30Honkytonkbut anyway.. i will see in #knoppix
17:07.33asgHonkytonk: well, my suggestion would be to post a question on their mailing list since the answer is likely more involved.
17:07.40asgPhated: heh
17:07.43bbhillOk, i've now got the Red Lilo Boot Menu
17:07.44Honkytonkwhat mailing list
17:07.46bbhillLinux, and Linux Old
17:07.54Honkytonku mean the channel?
17:07.57asgPhated: did toresbe do the qotd fortunes file yet?
17:07.58PhatedTry Linux Old. That should be your 2.6.10.
17:08.02Phatedasg: Don't know.
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17:08.14Indalhmm i can't locate any quota's on this server, there's none specified in the ftp conf, nor is there any quota's configured for any users either, can anyone think of anything else to check?
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17:08.20asgPhated: I did (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune) (was bored at the pub)
17:09.07bbhillPhated: Worked perfectly and im at login.
17:09.07Phatedbbhill: When next you get the chance to edit lilo.conf, you should uncomment the "prompt" line.
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17:09.07bbhillOk, im opening up lilo.conf right now.
17:09.07Phatedbbhill: Gorgeous. uname -r, please, for the sake of knowing what you're on.
17:09.12dvsor add a delay line
17:09.15asgHonkytonk: not the irc channel, the mailing list (if they don't have one, I'll be incredibly surprised.)
17:09.30bbhillPhated: 2.6.10
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17:09.32Honkytonkasg, how do i find their mailing list
17:09.34PhatedRight.
17:09.36Honkytonkis it on irc
17:09.45asgHonkytonk: try knopper.net
17:09.48Phatedbbhill: All right, join #flood, and paste your lilo.conf there. Let's take a look.
17:09.49asgHonkytonk: the website
17:09.59Honkytonkok thx
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17:10.34bbhillPhated: Eh.. Sorry for this question, how can I paste my lilo.conf there?
17:10.38bbhillWith console only
17:10.40golgothacan anyone suggest some cheap 4 nic'd hardware for building routers that have dual bonded nics?
17:10.51Phatedbbhill: Heh. Do you have gdm?
17:10.53asgHonkytonk: http://knopper.net/knoppix-links/index-en.html (lots of links to forums and stuff.)
17:10.54PhatedEr, gpm?
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17:11.11Phatedasg: Cool, submit it to the debian team. :)
17:11.11Honkytonkthx asg
17:11.31bbhillPhated: No. I do have to go to work though in a bit - Do you think we could continue this later tonight? i'll leave the box alone for now, i'm just thrilled i got it booted.
17:11.37stewgolgotha: get a pentium out of a local dumpster, put 4 eepro100s in them and read bonding.txt in the kernel docs
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17:11.49bbhillPhated, mtnman, asg, thank all of you so much, I really appreciate it.
17:12.00Phatedbbhill: Hah, brilliant. All right, just leave it alone for now, let it sit. We'll deal with your config later. In how many hours?
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17:12.12asgPhated: hah, probably would have to split it into obscene (most of it) / regular
17:12.21xerophytecould somebody tell me 2005-01-13 20:35:56 cwd=/tmp 2 args: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bS what is that means in exim log, i mean is the email orginate from the tmp or
17:12.23golgothastew, lol, tempting but no, read the docs, been using bonding for years,   just need to find some good hardware for it
17:12.25bbhillPhated: We're both always here.. I'll find you. But probably like 6PM EST or onward.
17:12.27Phatedbbhill: Oh, but install gpm. It's a console mouse driver.
17:12.30bbhill6 hours and onward ill be here.
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17:12.35bbhillOk, ill do that.
17:12.40PhatedRight... EST is GMT+- how much?
17:12.55asgPhated: -5
17:12.57bbhillI'm not sure - it's 12:12 right now.
17:13.05Phatedasg: Thank you. :)
17:13.10asgPhated: lunchtime here in EST
17:13.22PhatedBedtime snack here in SGT. :)
17:13.29asgPhated: :)
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17:13.44golgothaStew, some of that via C3 based stuff would be sweet if they had enough nic's in a 1u box
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17:13.51ricky_clarksonTime to go home for tea in GMT.
17:14.03PhatedWe just need breakfast now...
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17:14.17asgPhated: where's mwilson?
17:14.24PhatedAnd we'll have the makings of a healthy day's food.
17:14.32Phatedasg: I wouldn't dare disturb the man. :)
17:14.33bbhillOk guys thanks again - idle now.
17:14.33mtnman!seeb mwilson
17:14.41asgPhated: it is 9 in cali
17:14.42mtnman!seen mwilson
17:14.43dpkgmwilson is currently on #debian.  Has said a total of 15385 messages.  Is idling for 10h 41m 53s
17:14.49asgmtnman: I didn't mean it in that way
17:14.52ricky_clarksonPhated: How about elevenses, post-elevenses snack, pre-lunch snack, etc.?
17:15.02Phatedricky_clarkson: That's bordering on binge eating.
17:15.08ricky_clarksonPhated: Yes.
17:15.08PhatedYou damned hobbit. :)
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17:15.23ricky_clarksonPhated: Sorry, can't talk, got to go to the vending machine.
17:15.27Indalok well i take it other than quota's or ftp conf there is no other wya of restricting a size on a directory for a user?
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17:15.30Phatedricky_clarkson: Tata. :)
17:15.34cell/quit
17:15.35stewgolgotha: i know. i've been dying for a >2 nic c3 box
17:15.42ricky_clarkson/quit I'm a bastard
17:16.04mupethere is no irssi in debian repositories?
17:16.07asgIndal: not really
17:16.10asgmupe: irssi-text
17:16.16Phatedmupe: irssi-text, and /msg dpkg search
17:16.20ricky_clarksonmupe: apt-cache search irssi
17:16.25Indalhmm weird
17:16.57asgIndal: you could patch all the filesystem utilities to do a map lookup on uid / gid I suppose but that would be overkill
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17:17.29Indalhmm i'll just mail the guy that setup the server
17:17.33PhatedWhy not use quotas, anyway?
17:17.35Indalas i cant believe he hasn't implemented any quota
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17:17.41mupeasg, Phated, ricky_clarkson: thanks
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17:17.46asgmupe: you're welcome
17:17.46kg4wxwhello to all new to debian and linux looking for some help on changing kde from 800X600 to 1024X768 is there a wizard like windoze or do i need to edit a file? using debian 3.0r3
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17:18.05asgIndal: my old ISP didn't have quotas but ran scripts that would charge us for all usage (files) older than 24 hours.
17:18.06jasonanyone have experience with creating a boot cd with isolinux and mkinitrd?  I am not sure if I should specify an init= kernel command line option or not...
17:18.15Phatedkg4wxw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, select the extra res, restart x.
17:18.15Indalhmmm
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17:18.29asgjason: I used the bootcd package; no problems at all.
17:18.45kg4wxwthanks phated
17:18.47jasonasg: was it totally automated?
17:18.54ricky_clarksonkg4wxw: Press Ctrl-Alt-NumPad +
17:18.59jasonasg: ie, did you need to use init=/linuxrc ?
17:19.03asgIndal: another way would be to use files with ext2/3 filesystems on them mounted over loopback into the user's home dir.
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17:19.11PhatedYou could use xrandr oo, I guess.
17:19.18tagIs there some place for old debian packages?
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17:19.26asgjason: i edited /etc/bootcd/* and ran bootcdwrite (done)
17:19.29Phatedsnapshot.debian.org?
17:19.31ricky_clarksontag: #knoppix :)
17:19.38tagheh
17:19.40jasonasg: ahh, I will look into that.  thanks
17:19.54stewPhated: s/org/net/ iirc
17:19.59PhatedMy bad.
17:20.00tagI want gnotime-2.2.0
17:20.13p30nquestion: when i booted deb it said my x server wasnt able to start, but i didnt get anything but version from the detailed error msg and the it said i will inactivate ur Xserver for now, reboot GDM when its correct, any ideas?
17:20.23stewtag: snapshot.debian.net
17:20.28PhatedIt means... you screwed up your x config.
17:20.34asgtag: /msg dpkg sdn
17:20.40asg!kill lag
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17:20.51stewp30n: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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17:21.10asgjason: I used it to build a live cd to easily install debian on our IBM blade servers. Quite a spiffy package.
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17:21.55tagOh no
17:22.03GillyGalI just did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but when I do a 'startx' it returns a fatal server error - no screens found.  any ideas?
17:22.21tagI want the actual package not the source package, the fuccin source package doesn't compile, I managed to find that
17:22.27dvsGillyGal: cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log
17:22.51destr0I can't figure out why mysql.so can't find php_sprintf
17:22.54asgtag: just click on the 'date' link to get the deb
17:23.15tagOh tight
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17:23.17sussudio!any ideas
17:23.18dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a sack of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged badgers.  And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
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17:23.26sussudio!tell GillyGal about noscreensfound
17:23.28p30nstew: -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found
17:23.30GillyGalMmmm no founts installed either
17:23.31asgdestr0: do you have some testing packages on the box or is it pure woody?
17:23.43asgGillyGal: /msg dpkg font guide
17:23.49destr0pure woody.
17:23.57stewp30n: you need to do that as root
17:24.01p30nok
17:24.06asgdestr0: where are you seeing this error?
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17:24.33destr0in the apache config file.
17:24.38asgdestr0: and these aren't backports at all nor are they self-compiled
17:24.56asgdestr0: the error appears in /etc/apache/httpd.conf ?
17:24.57destr0damnit, not config file, error log.
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17:25.22destr0no backports, no config.
17:26.10p30nstew: i have an asus mobo with via chipset and integrated S3 unichrome 3d/2d gfx, should i choose VIA or S3 when it asks for my video card driver?
17:26.15asgdestr0: hmmmm
17:26.22destr0asg: wait, deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main
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17:26.34ricky_clarkson!plz
17:26.34dpkgplz is probably german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel  L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it
17:27.17tak_is there a way to try to repair a disk with bad blocks just enough so that i can read the drive and pull as many files as I can off of it?
17:27.22destr0so I'm getting testing versions of the packages?
17:27.27p30nquestion: i have an asus mobo with via chipset and integrated S3 unichrome 3d/2d gfx, should i choose VIA or S3 when it asks for my video card driver?
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17:27.41asgdestr0: maybe but that would explain the issue
17:27.44greycatp30n: s3
17:27.46dvsdestr0: I'd add "contrib" to the end of the line
17:27.52p30nk
17:27.54asgdvs: not relevant here
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17:29.08tak_anyone know how I can recover as much data as I can from my dead hard drive?
17:29.16neeneehow would i install BerkeleyDB with perl?
17:29.20destr0asg: is there an easy way to find out what's been installed from testing?
17:29.23pipelinetak_: grep and prayer
17:29.25usnhi folx
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17:29.36pipelinetak_: alternatively, a product called "easy recovery pro" has worked well for me in the past.
17:29.36greycatneenee: apt-cache search --names-only lib perl db
17:29.46tak_pipeline: for linux?
17:29.50pipelinetak_: Nope.
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17:30.51neeneegreycat: thanks. apt-get install libberkeleydb-perl did the trick.
17:31.15valdyn_tak_: make an image of that disk / partition and fsck ( or manually fix ) that one
17:31.43tak_valdyn_: how do I create such an image?
17:32.01tak_valdyn_: i tried using norton ghost, but it failed because of too many bad sectors
17:32.17valdyn_tak_: dd if=/dev/foo of=imagefile. I don't know norton ghost
17:32.27rileyhow do I insmod a module on boot? I can add the modules filename (pti_se.o) to /etc/modules, do i then put the object file somewhere specific?
17:32.51valdyn_tak_: then you can mount the image and work with it
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17:33.15tak_valdyn_: creating the image will fail because the hard disk is barely readable
17:33.17fmarosticaamavisd-new support XFS?
17:33.18fmarosticaamavisd-new support XFS?
17:33.26tak_valdyn_: does it ignore bad blocks?
17:33.45greycatfmarostica: asking once is sufficient
17:34.08abrotmanwhere are the dvd writing tools?
17:34.11greycatriley: don't put the ".o" on the module's name in /etc/modules
17:34.11p30nquestion: what mouse port should i choose when i have a PS2 mouse? ttySx or dev/input/mice ?
17:34.19valdyn_tak_: nope, i dont know how to convince dd to do the proper thing at a bad block
17:34.20greycatriley: just "3c59x" or whatever you pass to modprobe
17:34.23fmarosticagreen_earz, i convert my /var to XFS Filesystem
17:34.39fmarosticagreen_earz, my amavisd-new dont work more, amavisd-new support XFS?
17:34.56fmarosticagreen_earz, get my errors: TROUBLE in check_mail: mime_decode-1 FAILED: MIME::Parser: can't open tmpfile: Invalid argument
17:34.58greycatabrotman: dvd+rw-tools or cdrecord-ProDVD (non-free) or cdrecord (only a few drives)
17:35.06abrotmangreycat: thanks
17:35.12rileygreycat ah, thx. but where do i put the module binary now?
17:35.13greycatfmarostica: check the perms on /var/tmp
17:35.16asgdestr0: for i in $(COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}') ; do apt-cache policy $i ; done |less (search for testing in the output)
17:35.23greycatdrwxrwxrwt    7 root     root         4096 Jan 14 06:31 /var/tmp
17:35.35greycatriley: wherever modprobe expects it.
17:35.40GillyGalWhen I do a 'startx' it returns a fatal server error - no screens found.  The only (EE) found in the log was: (EE) No devices detected.  any idea?
17:35.46greycat!noscreensfound
17:35.47dpkg[noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x"
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17:35.55daddhey!
17:36.02p30nquestion: what mouse port should i choose when configuring Xserver-xfree86, i have a PS2 mouse? ttySx or dev/input/mice ?
17:36.05daddI need help with my ldap server authentifying users
17:36.10daddanyone can help me? :)
17:36.15sussudionein
17:36.17abrotman#openldap
17:36.19Skiverpsaux
17:36.23daddTHANK UUU
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17:36.38valdyn_tak_: you can specify what you want to read on the disk w/ dd, so you can grab all good blocks at least
17:36.44daddups
17:36.46daddproblem ... #openldap is empty and #ldap is died (I already asked there)
17:37.09greycatI see 57 users in #ldap
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17:37.31fmarosticagreen_earz, drwxrwxrwt   4 root root  4096 Dec 14 17:33 tmp, sure?
17:37.44snaildadd: what is your problem? our telepathy is on the blink so you need to explain it carefully
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17:37.50rileygreycat thx
17:37.52greycatfmarostica: check the file system mount options.
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17:37.55JuerdHow does one use a raid root fs (md) with a stock kernel?
17:38.07daddok
17:38.10greycat"stock" debian kernels use initrd
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17:38.12Juerd(i.e. how does one load a module?)
17:38.18daddhere it goes, it's quite easy to explain, difficult to find out the reason (for me)
17:38.20fmarosticagreen_earz, /dev/hda8       /var            xfs     defaults                0       2
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17:38.28daddyou have the user <user> :-P From root you do
17:38.32dadd# id <user>
17:38.35greycatfmarostica: for GOD'S sake, I'm NOT green_earz
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17:38.39Juerdgreycat: I noticed that. But how can you get it to load a module?
17:38.39daddand it returns all the users groups (like 30)
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17:38.44p30nquestion: what mouse port should i choose when configuring Xserver-xfree86, i have a PS2 mouse. ttyS or dev/input/mice ?
17:38.49daddbut if you do $ id <user> from the user account, itonly returns 10
17:38.51daddor so
17:38.55daddlik eif the others didn't exist
17:38.57greycatfmarostica: strace it or read the docs or google.  I don't know.
17:39.11daddso for working on the filesystem, the user only can write in 10 groups files ... the other 20 are forgoten
17:39.14dadd:|
17:39.20fmarosticagreycat, thx
17:39.22toubsuanyone use/know of any good windows hardware/software inventorying software for linux?
17:39.27greycatJuerd: maybe a custom initrd image?  dunno.
17:39.36calmarp30n: psaux maybe.
17:39.45greycattoubsu: vi file.txt
17:39.45p30nkthx
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17:40.05vivlachagaany body can helpme about wireless conection i have a theora card and is already loaded by the kernel
17:40.19vivlachagabutt i cant connect to the office wireles lanç
17:40.20Skiverjuerd : maybe a line in rc.local, if you know
17:40.24vivlachagaplease
17:40.39daddslapd version is 2.0.23
17:40.42toubsugreycat: o.O
17:40.51vivlachagai get this things
17:40.59tak_pipeline: easy recovery pro doesn't read ext2fs partitions... will "RAW" do the same thing basically?
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17:44.33daggyDoes anybody know another virtual machine program other than vmware?
17:44.47asgdaggy: uml, bochs, xen
17:44.58daggyasg: which one do you like most?
17:45.22asgdaggy: xen looks promising but I haven't used it. I do use uml for developer sandboxing
17:45.43caphusoxen requires grub :-(
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17:46.01asgcaphuso: I like grub :-)
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17:46.20daggyasg: do you now anything about if its possibel to mount a ISO image as a cdrom dreve in xen like it is in vmware?.. btw i like grub too :P
17:46.30asgcaphuso: makes me feel like I have openprom on my intel boxes
17:46.35neeneedaggy: that's possible. use the loopback device
17:46.46neeneedaggy: not a clue what xen is though
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17:47.03asgneenee: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/readmes/user/user.html#SECTION02100000000000000000
17:47.11daggyasg: do oyu know?
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17:47.22neeneehm ok
17:47.34asgdaggy: it should be possible (check the link above to be sure.)
17:47.42p30nlol
17:47.57p30nquestion: how do i shutdown the system? shutdown -a didnt work
17:48.04p30nand how do i reboot
17:48.09asgp30n: halt, reboot
17:48.15darksmowhat means > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop. ????
17:48.17p30nhalt shuts it down ?
17:48.21RichiHctrl-alt-del on your tty
17:48.25asgp30n: yes or shutdown -h now
17:48.26daggyasg: oki ill try it ;)
17:48.27RuinahAnyone willing to help a newbie who's possibly had a failed Debian OS install?
17:48.35RichiH!anyone
17:48.35dpkg***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do.
17:48.41RichiH!ask
17:48.41dpkgIf you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic!  Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person.  Thanks!
17:48.45asgp30n: or shutdown -r now (to reboot) (it's all in the manpage)
17:48.50RichiHRuinah: so you see, just ask away :)
17:48.52p30nk thx
17:49.07daggyasg: ohh wow apt-get has xen
17:49.19asgdaggy: heh, I didn't know that ;)
17:49.20darksmowhat means > make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop. ???? it happens after a make command
17:49.28p30n!noscreensfound
17:49.28dpkgsomebody said noscreensfound was probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x"
17:49.29daggyasg :P - xen - a Virtual Machine Monitor like User-Mode-Linux
17:49.30RichiHdaggy: the recently-slashdotted xen, you mean?
17:49.37asgdarksmo: the Makefile doesn't ahve a 'modules' target
17:49.47asgs/ahve/have/
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17:50.16daggyasg: hmm i just installed xen via apt-get.. xen unknown command.. no man pages for xen
17:50.17daggyhm?
17:50.18RuinahRichiH: Basically, I just installed Debian i386 on a separate partition, using ReiserFS, and on first and all boots, it seg faults.
17:50.29minnimeHow could I delete a user qota ? quotatool doesn't support this ?!
17:50.35asgdaggy: try /usr/share/doc/xen/*
17:50.36RichiHRuinah: hmm, that does not sound too promising
17:50.51RuinahRichiH:I know.
17:50.57darksmodoes somebody have Philips pcvc840K webcam?
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17:51.11RichiHRuinah: if it is a completely fresh install (i.e. no real work in in, yet), i would just reinstall and try to save some (perhaps) fruitless poking around
17:51.20asgminnime: try using edquota
17:51.25RichiHRuinah: did you try to install woody or sarge?
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17:51.35RuinahRichiH: Sarge.
17:51.43RichiHRuinah: kernel 26?
17:51.46lausthi everyone
17:51.46daggyasg: nvh ill dl the .tar.gz install hangon
17:51.47RichiH2.6, even
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17:52.00rileyI put a newly compiled module in /lib/modules/2.4.27.2000501013g(current kernel vr)/kernel/drivers/scsi/ and added it to /etc/modules and tried to insmod it with modprobe but i get an error that it cant find the module, what am i doing wrong?
17:52.03xerophytewhat is the good Kernel Security patch ?
17:52.13RuinahRichiH:Whichever version was on the site most recently.
17:52.16dracxerophyte: grsecurity.com
17:52.19asgxerophyte: selinux (for some values of good)
17:52.19minnimeasg:  and how could i delete a user quota with edquota ?
17:52.32asgminnime: just set the quota to 0 for that user I expect
17:52.32RichiHRuinah: ah, ok
17:52.39minnimeasg: just by deleting the lines are shown by edquota ?
17:52.41RichiHRuinah: so here's what i would do if i were you:
17:52.41xerophytedrac, hmmm grsecurity.com only one man show kind of scare me ;)
17:53.02darksmoasg: how can i set that target?
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17:53.31lausti have a small problem: i added my user to a new group, and i can't restart X now to make it effective.. I tried the newgrp command but it asks me a password and i don't have an idea of which password it is
17:53.45RichiHRuinah: reboot with the install disk, enter linux26 on the first screen that comes up (you can press f1-f6 for other options) and install debian again. also, i personally prefer xfs and ext3 over reiser, but that is your choice :)
17:53.53laustdoes anybody have an idea what i could do?
17:53.55daggyasg: ehm lol... you need to reboot your system and everything before you can use XEN its startup its own system via grub
17:53.56minnimeasg: edquota username ?!
17:54.07daggyasg: which virutal machine did you say you used?.. link?
17:54.13pipelineRuinah: I actually prefer swap as a filesystem to reiser.
17:54.15sword-what's a good GUI based cd burning program for linux
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17:54.22sword-besides k3b
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17:54.25p30nquestion: it didnt ask me about the framebuffer question dpkg talked about and i still get the noscreensfound error?
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17:54.27pipelinesword-: k3b and xcdroast are about it.
17:54.35sword-ehh
17:54.49jsmwhat's the best apt caching tool to use?
17:54.52darksmohow can i set 'modules' target in a Makefile?
17:54.53p30n!troubleshooting x
17:54.53dpkgTo troubleshoot a problem with X, first look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find out what the problem is - look for the first lines starting with (EE). Then use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix it. Ask me about "x md5sum"
17:55.14Ruinahpipeline:Swap?
17:55.37asgminnime: iirc, yes
17:55.40asgdaggy: uml
17:55.51daggyasg: any link?
17:55.51darksmoCan somebody help me installing a webcam? :)
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17:56.05pipelineRuinah: Yes.  I pretend that it contains coherent data, and feed it to /dev/audio.
17:56.10asgdaggy: uml.sourceforge.net or something like that
17:56.49RichiHRuinah: he is pulling your leg
17:56.50asgdaggy: or rather http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/readmes/user/user.html#SECTION02100000000000000000
17:56.54asggrrr
17:57.00asgdaggy: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/
17:57.04daggythanks
17:57.05RichiHRuinah: you should set aside a partition for swap, though
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17:57.36minnimeasg: I gonna delete a user... but he has a qutoa must I delete the quota before I delete the user or will this automatically happen ?
17:57.37asgdaggy: that won't run windows though, only linux
17:57.40p30nquestion: what should i write to get a package that can handle zip files in debian?
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17:57.50darksmoCan somebody help me installing a webcam? :) )))
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17:57.56asgminnime: oh, the userdel or deluser script should take care of the quota automatically
17:57.56daggyasg: hmm sorry cant use that then.. hmmm i think i should try bochs than
17:58.10RuinahRichiH:I already did, when I set up Xandros, about 500mb. I formatted the Xandros partition in favor of Debian, though.
17:58.11asgdaggy: ah
17:58.17davFrp30n : apt-get install zip unzip
17:58.48p30nkthx
17:59.02p30nwill it update all my current packages if i write apt-get update ?
17:59.13Shadurno
17:59.19RichiHRuinah: 200 mb of swap should be more than enough for desktop use, i guess. but as long as you have any, all is well :)
17:59.21davFrp30n : it only install zip and unzip
17:59.27daggyasg: bochs is in apt-get too.. gonna try it.
17:59.36dvsp30n: update won't change any packages.
17:59.40davFrp30n : do "apt-get update" to update package list
17:59.59sword-hmm k3b doesnt crash when i run it as root
18:00.00sword-hrm
18:00.03RuinahRichiH:I don't remember picking the partition size, I just know that that was the default swap partition.
18:00.05iorsimy modem hisses. is this normal?
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18:00.18mikael_hello
18:00.31asgdaggy: good luck
18:00.33p30ndavFr: how do i update my current packs?
18:00.36RuinahRichiH:Course, I also just noticed that that partition was formatted NTFS, too. Just re-formatted it to FAT32.
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18:00.41davFrquestion : did someone (using Sarge) recently tried to boot a newly compiled kernel from a floppy or a CD-R? Thanks
18:00.52davFrp30n :apt-get update
18:01.02dvsDarkHound`: apt-get upgrade
18:01.08mikael_I would like to know how to pass the parameter to grub so it loads the soundcard before the modem
18:01.10dvsdavFr: apt-get upgrade
18:01.16davFrp30n : "apt-get dist-upgrade -s -V" to see a list of packages that can be updated
18:01.54WiFiTuxIs there a #directv or satellites channel here. I need a Clown hacked Directv card.. :)
18:02.02resiakWiFiTux: Join them and find out! :)
18:02.10davFrdvs : apt-get upgrade is rather tricky. It updates each package independantly, but can creates problem when dependencies have changed
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18:02.30WiFiTuxresiak, I already did young padawan.
18:02.40resiakWiFiTux: :)
18:02.44dvsdavFr: But he just installing zip and unzip
18:02.48resiakWiFiTux: I figured. I was just feeling contrary.
18:02.48davFrp30n : "apt-get dist-upgrade" to process the update.
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18:02.58FreeMindshi ;o)
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18:03.31WiFiTuxasg, the Feds live because of me, they pay me for their security.
18:03.49WiFiTuxresiak, the force told me those channels don't exist.
18:03.55asgWiFiTux: not enough that you can afford full Direct Tv
18:03.56davFrdvs : man apt-get  : upgrade -> update all packages currently installed
18:04.36WiFiTuxasg, :-> wrong, I currently afford it. I'm just feeling tired of giving them too many $
18:05.24daggy*beep* why cant i find any console managers in fluxbox and blackbox do i need to install some kind of packget!?
18:05.45asgdaggy: console manager? xterm
18:05.51WiFiTuxdaggy, apt-cache search fluxbox console
18:06.04daggyasg: thanks that was the word ;)
18:06.18neeneehave a nice evening all
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18:08.53daggyasg: got a problem bochs gets the error: dlopen failed for module "x" file not found.. DO you know anything about this?
18:09.07asgdaggy: sorry, I don't
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18:09.09p30nquestion:  my videocard install instructions say i should rename the XF86Config-4 to XF86Config, is that safe and will it find the conf file after ive renamed it, and why should i do it?
18:09.16asgdaggy: you might try #bochs
18:09.25daggyasg: oki.. the linux simulater your using can it only simulate linux?
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18:09.39stewp30n: thats incorrect, you should leave it as is, those are probably redhat flavored instructions
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18:09.45asgdaggy: yes, it compiles a kernel as a userland binary and mounts a filesystem over loopback
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18:10.19kevinzI am using laptop with Pentium M, now I found powernowd and cpufreqd have conflict, which should i keep?
18:10.35shadgunis there a dedicated channel for sparc people?
18:10.35asgkevinz: test them both, keep whichever works the best
18:10.39nelsonAnybody know where wiggy hangs out?  His stupid email filter doesn't like me.
18:10.39DarthWiFiTuxkevinz, cpufreqd
18:10.41asgshadgun: #debian-sparc
18:10.46shadgunasg: thanks
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18:10.49asgnelson: /msg dpkg seen wiggy
18:10.56nelsontnx
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18:11.09daggyasg: well, does it need to reboot before the simulater works?
18:11.27p30nstew: ok well i unzipped the files and i got 4 folders, Mandrake, Suse, Redhat and utility + 2 text files and 2 files named vinstall and vuninstall, will these drivers work on debian?
18:11.35nelsonasg: okay, question #2: what's wiggy's IRC nick?  dpkg has never heard of him.
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18:12.36asgdaggy: no
18:12.40DarthWiFiTuxkevinz, there is also a Centrino-SpeedStep into the Stepping kernel support.
18:13.01p30ni unzipped the files and i got 4 folders, Mandrake, Suse, Redhat and utility + 2 text files and 2 files named vinstall and vuninstall, will these gfx drivers work on debian?
18:13.04stewp30n: i have no idea what you are doing
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18:13.13asgnelson: I expect wiggy but /whois wiggy shows nothing so I don't know
18:13.28p30nstew: im trying to install my gfx drivers, and the pack i got from asus homepage contained that
18:13.29stewp30n: i don't know anything about those drivers
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18:13.45kevinzDarthWiFiTux, ah, do you mean a option in kernel?
18:13.49nelsonasg: thanks....  I'll contact him via other means.
18:14.01DarthWiFiTuxkevinz, yes.
18:14.06bunnyrhi can someone tell me why I can't apt-get any of the java sdk packages?
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18:14.10p30nit said it will work on "linux" but i dunno why they have redhat, mandrake and suse folders, but i guess the are universal so ill just try to install them
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18:14.37Delph~/win 9
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18:15.25asgbunnyr: /msg dpkg install java
18:15.35bunnyrasg ok let me try thanks
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18:16.37kevinzDarthWiFiTux, thank you :)
18:16.46DarthWiFiTuxkevinz, np
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18:16.56tak_what can I do about my drive that has tons of bad sectors? can i try to mount it in linux? it has a ext2fs partition
18:17.15tak_when I try to boot it says unrecoverable errors at sector xxx for /dev/hdb
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18:18.26asgtak_: use a rescue disc or knoppix or something, use badblocks to scan it
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18:18.44tak_"badblocks" ? can i apt-get that?
18:18.49asgtak_: yes
18:19.00asgtak_: or rather, you should already have it
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18:19.09tak_luckily /dev/hdb is my secondary drive for /home and /dev/hda is my debian box and that is still bootable.
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18:19.28greycatHow the hell can both 100baseTx-FD *and* 100baseTx-HD be wrong?
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18:19.39greycatGOD, I hate our networking department.
18:20.05dvsgreycat: 10baseTx?
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18:20.45rilatwho can I know all packages (.deb) needed to compile the kernel?
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18:20.56asgrilat: install build-essential
18:20.56greycatrilat: build-essential, libncurses5-dev for menuconfig
18:20.59debd00danyone know what nfs server is better "nfs-kernel-server" or "nfs-user-server"
18:21.05greycatdebd00d: -kernel has more features
18:21.06asgrilat: and /msg dpkg kp
18:21.23asggreycat: mii-tool mentions a 100baseT4 (wtf that is)
18:21.24rilatasg & greycat thanks
18:21.32debd00dgreycat: ok, ill try it....thanks for the help
18:21.56rubertAnyone knows why i cant change my resulution in xorg.conf after i have change my settings there it still show 1024x...defualt when i startx. =/
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18:23.18greycatasg: y'know what the *really* weird symptom is here?  Normally when an HP-UX box fails autoneg (100% consistent if the switch port is set to full duplex -- it detect the right speed, but half duplex), then the SENDING is slow, but the RECEIVING is fine.  On this Debian box with an eepro100 in it, it's the opposite.  On both FD and HD, the RECEIVING is dog slow, but SENDING is fine.
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18:23.50DeadZedCan I install debian by booting an .iso file on hdd (hdd install)
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18:24.05iorsithe software firewalls of today, on modern hardware, are as robust as hardware versions in my opinion. you will be expending some system resources that could be delegated off to a separate piece of dedicated hardware, but this is negligible most of the time.
18:24.08RichiHDeadZed: not that i am aware of
18:24.13rubertAnyone here?
18:24.15greycatno
18:24.18rubertwho can help em
18:24.22greycat!tell rubert about ask
18:24.31RaymondHiya i am back again, ii know the problem why i cant come on the internet whit the router, linux (debian) does not know my Network Card, so i have a other question i have installed Debian whit one cd, i cant load the modules of network stuff, wicht cd do i need for the network stuff (modules) ?
18:24.40d0tHello everyone
18:24.44greycatRaymond: use sarge.
18:24.47justiniorsi: what is a hardware firewall?
18:24.48tak_i ran e2fsck -c /dev/hdb... im wondering, if it finds blocks does it "fix" them or "mark" them as bad blocks somehow?
18:24.48rubertsry greycat
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18:25.19d0tCan someone suggest a good system monitor for use in KDX please?
18:25.21Raymondgreycat ? Sarge? where do you see that
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18:25.30greycat!tell Raymond about d-i
18:25.41d0tI'd like something similar to borealis, but dont want to go outside the Debian repositories
18:25.54Raymondty
18:26.00jsmanyone using apt-proxy?
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18:26.24p30nqusetion: i got a few cp: cant check status on "//k7/via_v4l_drv.o": the file or folder does not exist when installing my gfx drivers, is this something i need to worry about?
18:26.55greycatp30n: I'd say so, yes.
18:27.03p30nalso, sed: cannot read /etc/rc.d/rc.local: file or folder down not exist
18:27.06greycatlooks like some variable isn't set properly
18:27.19greycatp30n: whatever you are doing is WRONG.  It's written for red hat.
18:27.20p30ni did as the install readme said
18:27.30greycatignore readmes that assume red hat :/
18:27.34DeadZedDoes debian have a new graphical installer now? If yes, then which version?
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18:27.36Raymondgreycat wich one do i need? ;/ netinst CD image, with Debian base ?
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18:27.51p30ngreycat: i had 4 folders in the file i unpacked, suse, mandrake, redhat and utility
18:27.51greycatDeadZed: no, it's fancier and smoother, but still nice and curses-based like GOD FUCKING INTENDED.
18:28.01DeadZedhah
18:28.04greycatgraphical installers are a *stupid* concept.
18:28.15DeadZedWhy did god intend debian installer to be ncurses?
18:28.20p30ngreycat: does that mean i cant install the drivers on debian? it said "linux drivers" on asus homepage
18:28.24greycatso you can install it on a machine that cannot and never will run X.
18:28.30DeadZedXandros installer isnt a stupid concept
18:28.46greycatthen go fucking use xandros and take your...... /me stops.
18:28.56greycatNo more troll food for you.
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18:29.14DeadZedsettle down my friend
18:29.19greycatp30n: then you'll have to figure out how to build 'em in a non-red-hat environment.  Have you tried module-assistant yet?
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18:29.47utishello mates
18:29.51p30ngreycat: no i havent tried that and im completely n00bed out, only thing im good at is reading instructions
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18:30.05greycatI think Debian should use the openbsd installer.  No X.  No curses.  Just plain old text.  You could install on a *teletype*.
18:30.09zergewhy should someone fuck himself just because he wants something different???? nowadays #debian is like fuck... everywhere
18:30.18bogonhallo
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18:30.45p30ngreycat: altho when i had typed ./vinstall after i got those errors etc i got Utility installation finished!
18:30.46greycatzerge: if you want a GUI installer, you can either write one yourself, or use something other than Debian.   But if you choose the latter, don't bother coming *here* to ask for help when (not if!) it breaks.
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18:30.54asggreycat: oh, that is odd
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18:31.19DeadZeddebian is very nice , except debian- based distros keep popping up cause debian community misses some essential things ;)
18:31.29greycatthey are NOT essential to US.
18:31.34greycatMaybe to YOU and your aunt tillie.
18:31.54DeadZedaunt tillie thinks debian is too geeky for her
18:31.55greycatDamn it, didn't I say no more troll food?
18:31.59zergegreycat stop this, I will never ask help here, I hope you are glad now :-) just be kind, ok?
18:32.33lenohow can i stop debian messing up my resolv.conf on each boot?
18:32.38greycatzerge: I am unable to be kind to trolls.  I can kickban them, or flame the living hell out of them, or I can put them on /ignore.
18:32.51dvsleno: stop using dhcp
18:32.54tak_i ran e2fsck -c /dev/hdb... im wondering, if it finds blocks does it "fix" them or "mark" them as bad blocks somehow?
18:32.54greycatleno: don't use DHCP, or tell your DHCP client not to overwrite it.
18:32.58p30ngreycat: could u tell me something more about how i might get these drivers to run in debian or some tips n tricks?
18:33.00lenokk
18:33.06greycatp30n: did you try module-assistant yet?
18:33.09lenothanks dvs, greycat
18:33.24p30ngreycat: i dunno what that is, is it self-explanatory? :)
18:33.37Manoj`zerge:  it is easy to change debian: just contribute working code
18:34.08p30nresiak: lol
18:34.23greycatManoj`: my experience says otherwise.
18:34.29asgresiak: there are creams you can buy to help with such ailments
18:34.30resiakWell, theoretically I guess that I misread it as R.
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18:34.45tecloGreetings. Both i2c-proc and i2c-core are present in lsmod, but when I do "sensors" I get: No sensors found!
18:35.00resiakasg: All of the creams I've ever seen have not helped :(
18:35.04dracteclo: try running sensors-detect
18:35.15Manoj`greycat: contributing working code still does not change Debian?
18:35.20asgresiak: ah, you just need some snake oil then
18:35.37resiakasg: Or perhaps chocolate body paint? ;-)
18:35.48zergeManoj`, well, I thought of that ... if I will have time for that, I will :-) but thanks for the tip
18:36.02asgresiak: nah, I like to keep my munchables out of the bedroom
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18:36.30resiakasg: How about the kitchen table, then?
18:36.35asgtouche
18:36.38greycatManoj`: /msg dpkg safecat    /msg dpkg linux man pages
18:36.38p30ngreycat: could u give me some more nfo on module-assistant and where i can find it and what it does?
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18:36.47greycat!info module-assistant
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18:36.51dpkgmodule-assistant: (tool to make module package creation easier), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
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18:37.06resiakp30n: apt-get install module-assistant .
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18:37.31dvsDoes anyone remember offhand how to make mgetty-fax receive faxes?  Mine is currently set to only send faxes.
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18:37.59DeadZeddvs apt-get install receive faxes NOW!!!
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18:38.01Manoj`greycat: is there a bug number?
18:38.03Koffa:)
18:38.20RandallSo which file in ~ is going to get run if I'm using a windowmaker session from gdm?
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18:38.54resiaktarzeau has won another convert, then?
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18:39.14KoffaRandall: .xinitrc?
18:39.25xogonRandall: you can select "Default Session" in gdm then it will run ~/.xsession and you can launch wm from there
18:39.39lenook so about that dhcp problem, i edited /etc/network/interfaces to not use dhcp, restart /etc/init.d/networking .. is that enough?
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18:40.10Randallxogon: I guess I'll do that then :)
18:40.17tak_man hard drive failure SUCKS
18:40.23valdynleno: yes
18:40.28xogonRandall: i think its "default session"  the name might vary
18:40.36lenovaldyn, very good thanks a lot :)
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18:40.57xogontak_: automatic backup scripts rule
18:40.58Randallxogon: To be honest I'm not sure where the wmaker session comes from, since it's not in /etc/gdm.
18:41.47justinRandall: dpkg -L wmaker
18:41.57iorsicpu's have significantly outpaced the rest of the hardware most people run.
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18:42.20Koffaiorsi?
18:42.33iorsiwhat?
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18:42.57valdyn!confuse iorsi
18:42.58dpkgYes, those are your bacon yesterday, iorsi? lederhosen of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra herring
18:43.00xogoniorsi: thank god for that
18:43.07p30nquestion: could somebody tell me a little bit mroe about using module-assistant? i need to know what to do with the files i got from asus, i need to debianize these so the gfx drivers work on debian..?
18:43.13Randalljustin: no gdm-related files afaict
18:43.14iorsii encourage people to save money on buying late-model cpu's.
18:43.29Koffamy p90 still choked on regular basis a year ago when I used it as shell/nat-box :)
18:43.34iorsi800 ghz pentium 3 is more than sufficient.
18:43.37Koffanow I have dual-p3 2u server
18:43.39iorsi800 mhz
18:43.42Koffa@500
18:43.50simonrvn800 GHz ?
18:43.52valdynp30n: are you sure that you even need asus' software?
18:43.56FieldySnuts@lart iorsi
18:43.59Koffawhich is overkill by factor of 10 :)
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18:44.39iorsisometimes the latest chips are nice because you can run them at half the speed and they run really cool.
18:44.43p30nvaldyn: i dont know really, i have asus mobo with via chip and S3 integrated unichrome gfx how do i know if i need it or not, like can i test if the 3D works somehow or something?
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18:45.11iorsia 1.5 ghz intel m processor runs beautifully 600-1000 mhz.
18:45.21iorsivery cool and low power consumption!
18:45.24DeadZedSo (hdd install) installing debian from source partition to destination partition isnt doable?
18:45.37justinand a 3.2ghz p4 runs beautifully at 3.2ghz
18:45.39RandallI just bought an nvidia to help forget about unichrome hell.
18:45.50asgDeadZed: /msg dpkg debootstrap
18:46.04iorsi600 mhz is still very fast relatively speaking. the hard drive will still be the bottleneck by far.
18:46.23greycatdpkg, safecat =~ s#safecat/>#safecat/> and <http://bugs.debian.org/220849>#
18:46.23dpkggreycat: OK
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18:46.31DeadZedasg Do i HAVE TO compile it?
18:46.39greycatManoj`: bug numbers 220849 and 111578
18:46.44asgDeadZed: are you running debian the box at the moment?
18:46.48valdynp30n: try google, those "asus" drivers should only be last resort..
18:46.53DeadZednope
18:46.55asgDeadZed: if so, apt-get install debootstrap ; read man debootstrap
18:47.06asgDeadZed: what are you running then?
18:47.08iorsibesides, gpu's are handling most of the intensive operations most users get themselves involved with.
18:47.19p30nvaldyn: ok
18:47.26DeadZedXandros, Mandrake, Mepis, WIn xp
18:47.43p30nvaldyn: is there a way to like check if the 3D works? and if it works, i dont need some drivers right?
18:47.51FieldySnutsiorsi: great, we don't care, go talk to a hardware channel
18:47.56asgDeadZed: in the factoid, 'compile' it refers to the debian package; debootstrap is just a perl script.
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18:48.25tony0p30n, try glxgears
18:48.36p30nin terminal?
18:48.40greycatin X.
18:48.41Randallp30n: glxinfo
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18:49.25alexscott++
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18:50.14valdynp30n: well, the first thing to do would be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, then search google for something like "linux driver <specific_chip>", either way you havent told me what exactly your chips(ets) are
18:50.32p30nglxgears is working, so i dont need no drivers then? cuz i wont be needing tv out and that xtra crap
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18:50.52tony0p30n, it depends on the frame rates you're getting
18:51.37shadguncan anyone tell me what would cause a signal 10 when starting up Xfree86?
18:51.40kg4wxwim just messing around with debian and i found the package manager.... so i started to install some of the stuff and now i have lost a lot of the programs on the start menue? any reason why should i not mess with that prog and just use apt get? did i do it wrong?
18:51.50RandallThe unichrome options these days are 1) via's binaries 2) unichrome.sf.net 3) unichrome.sf.net in Xorg (old)
18:52.15abrotman!unichrome
18:52.15dpkgi heard unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv.
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18:52.36p30nvaldyn: i have an asus mobo A7V400-MX with VIA KM400A cipset and integrated graphics S3 Unichrome 2d/3d thats all i know
18:52.41fmarostica:(
18:52.44fmarosticaJan 14 16:51:48 helium amavis[5693]: (05693-02) TROUBLE in check_mail: mime_decode-1 FAILED: MIME::Parser: can't open tmpfile: Invalid argumentJan 14 16:51:48 helium amavis[5693]: (05693-02) PRESERVING EVIDENCE in /var/lib/amavis/amavis-20050114T165148-05693
18:53.00fmarosticai get above errors in my amavis
18:53.05fmarosticaany idea?
18:53.06abrotmanin debian?
18:53.13fmarosticaabrotman, yes
18:53.16fmarosticaabrotman, sarge
18:53.21abrotmanfmarostica: did you use the debian package?
18:53.27Randallp30n: There are debian packages for the unichrome.sf.net drivers.
18:53.32Randall(unofficial)
18:53.44p30nRandall: kthx
18:53.52fmarosticaabrotman, yes, this errors, i get today after update perl packages and mime-support
18:54.00fmarosticaabrotman, sarge debian :)
18:54.01valdynp30n: hmm this might be what you need: http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/
18:54.05abrotmanfmarostica: did you check the BTS?
18:54.12fmarosticaabrotman, BTS?
18:54.16abrotman!bts
18:54.16dpkghmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges
18:54.21valdynp30n: i dont know anything about it, but unichrome debs sounds good )
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18:54.41p30nheh k ill try it out and report further or ask more dumb questions :p
18:54.41xogondamn i'm amazed.  huygens hit a hole-in-one on titan today
18:54.50Koffalucky shot
18:54.56EdibleTextxogon, any pics yet?
18:54.57fmarosticaabrotman, no sorry
18:55.05Randallp30n: afaik km400 support is sketchy in unichrome right now
18:55.06abrotmanfmarostica: go look and see if you can find anything
18:55.15abrotmanfmarostica: i hope this mailserver isnt production
18:55.16Koffaxogon: titan's air defence must've fallen asleep or smth
18:55.19tony0there's some chat in #space
18:55.19xogonthe first data should be released within the next couple hours
18:55.26Randallp30n: It might be worthwhile to search the mail archives on unichrome.sf.net.
18:55.30p30nRandall: what do u recomend me to do?
18:55.46p30nRandall: but should i try to install these debs i found?
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18:56.02Randallp30n: Try the debs if you're on x86.  If that's no good, get the binary drivers from nvidia.
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18:56.19p30nwill do
18:56.31Randallp30n: Yeah, I've used them myself, but the driver doesn't really work on K8M800.
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18:56.47p30nok
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18:57.27valdynp30n: oh /msg dpkg nvidia for nvidia, i guess, if those can work.....
18:57.38p30n"K8M800 and PM800/CN400 support is still limited."
18:57.46bluefox83for some reason my computer reboots itself when left alone over-night, anyone know why it would do that?
18:57.48p30n"It provides support for VIA CLE266 and KM400/KN400."
18:57.57greycatbluefox83: failing power supply?
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18:58.18bluefox83greycat, brand new power supply
18:58.26greycatfailing motherboard?
18:58.27greycatbad RAM?
18:58.27abrotmanbluefox83: UPS?
18:58.29p30nwill i be needing DRI and what is it?
18:58.33Randallp30n: I saw some recent changes for KM400 in cvs.  The official drivers will probably more the more advanced features like Xv and XvMC (unichrome is really a mess)
18:58.34abrotman!dri
18:58.34dpkgsomebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri
18:58.35bluefox83brand new motherboard too, and ram
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18:58.44abrotmanbluefox83: it hates you?
18:58.54bluefox83it only reboots when it's not being used
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18:59.06bluefox83could a massive memory leak cause that?
18:59.09abrotmanbluefox83: screensaver? ACPI?
18:59.16greycatbluefox83: I doubt it's software...
18:59.22Randallp30n: There's a dri snapshot in those debs.
18:59.26bluefox83uh, no my monitor shuts off after 20 minutes
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18:59.27p30nRandall: i didnt understand all that
18:59.35tony0bluefox83, do you have anything java based running?
18:59.41bluefox83no
18:59.42abrotmanbluefox83: just because your monitor shuts off doesn't mean that you don't start a screensaver
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19:00.30Semiregcan anyone point me to a simple perl script that I can use in /etc/postfix/aliases to rewrite (prefix) the subject line of incoming emails, then send to another address?
19:00.54Randallp30n: One step at a time, just try to get video first.
19:01.16asg!stab the helpdesk
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19:01.33abrotmanasg: that's quite enough from you!
19:01.49bluefox83i'm running icewm, how do i find out if i have it set to run a screensaver?
19:01.49lokehey if i want to run an email server whats the best app that is the most secure?
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19:02.08asgloke: qmail, postfix, exim (in that order)
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19:02.18bluefox83and what is ACPI?
19:02.18FieldySnutsravenbird: start an mta war
19:02.19ravenbirdcourier has an evil license
19:02.20lokeasg, ok so qmail is the best
19:02.26Jonny123Hello. Can somebody tell me if non-US is depricated?
19:02.27asgloke: probably the most secure
19:02.27justin!+best
19:02.27dpkgbest for what? please define what you mean by "best"  Gloria Gaynor!  Tina Turner!  Aretha Franklin!  Men without Hats!  Women without Hats!  Men at Work!  Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
19:02.36abrotman!acpi
19:02.36dpkgacpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken,  for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0"
19:02.37lokeasg, thank you
19:02.40greycatloke: it's a religious question.
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19:02.48lokejustin security.
19:02.49greycatloke: everyone has a different opinion
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19:02.51abrotmanand under no circumstance is qmail the best
19:03.02p30nmy fps is very low on the matrixgl screensaver, about 6fps
19:03.02lokegreycat well im agnostic
19:03.10lokegreycat actually atheist
19:03.11Jonny123The non-US Release signature is signed with a key expired 2002.
19:03.12Delphthe best app thats the most secure?
19:03.14Delphhmm...
19:03.25FieldySnutsabrotman: agreed
19:03.40Jonny123There are no new files at non-US after these date.
19:03.42cosurgihow to switch my system to different architecture? I have P4, 64bit, and all packages are for i386, while I'd prefer to have all packages ia64.
19:03.43p30n!cvs
19:03.43dpkgi heard cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension.  ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html
19:03.43bluefox83the addresses dpkg just gave don't work
19:03.45abrotmansee .. 2 out of 800 say qmail sucks ...
19:03.50Roninsomething i can help you with rajasun ?
19:03.56valdyncosurgi: reinstall
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19:04.12FieldySnutsravenbird: start an mta war
19:04.12greycatbluefox83: then find the working addresses and fix the factoids
19:04.13ravenbirdsendmail sucks
19:04.17greycatno question there.
19:04.21FieldySnutsyeah
19:04.24Semiregcan anyone point me to a simple perl script that I can use in /etc/postfix/aliases to rewrite (prefix) the subject line of incoming emails, then send to another address?
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19:04.50greycataliases can rewrite subjects??
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19:05.08abrotmanSemireg: #postfix
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19:05.17FieldySnutsgreat. scsi disk in a server i just built from spare parts is clicking, maybe some day I'll get hardware that isn't 5 years old...
19:05.19Semiregabrotman: good point...
19:05.19Semireg:)
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19:05.26FieldySnuts(at work)
19:05.28abrotmanFieldySnuts: you work for my company?
19:05.35greycatonly 5 years?
19:05.41asuffieldFieldySnuts: 'second hand hard drive' is like 'second hand condom'
19:05.55cosurgivaldyn: problem is that on this SATA/PATA/SCSI junk I was lucky that debian-installer rc-2, linux24 did boot at all. all others (linux26, and debian-installer-rc-2 for ia64) did not boot at all!
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19:06.10FieldySnutsanother disk in that same machine, no matter what you set the ID jumpers to, it's ID 4. that's a new one.
19:06.17greycatia64?  who the hell buys that?
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19:06.22FieldySnutsno kidding
19:06.23_blehhey, how do I add more sources to apt-get
19:06.30asuffieldFieldySnuts: jumper block's cut loose. 4 will be all-disconnected
19:06.36_blehis there any script to run to configure apt-get ?
19:06.39greycat_bleh: editor /etc/apt/sources.list
19:06.41asg_bleh: apt-setup
19:06.46_blehokay thanks
19:07.01FieldySnutsoh well fight with it a bit more, might come down to "buy me new hardware, or no server"
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19:07.12greycatSEE ALSO
19:07.12greycat<PROTECTED>
19:07.12greycat<PROTECTED>
19:07.15valdyncosurgi: you can install via debootstrap
19:07.17cosurgigreycat: I didn't buy. the university gave it to me, and said I must work on this 64bit 3.4GHz P4, with 1GB ram from dell. I'd never buy it - I have no money for that.
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19:07.24FieldySnuts@lose greycat
19:07.26ravenbirdgreycat: You Lose.
19:07.27p30nshould i take the "Source Patch/Diff" or "Source .gz" when im downloading these meant to be debian gfx drivers
19:07.27_blehthanks greycat
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19:07.30asuffieldI prefer to phrase it as "buy me new hardware, or at some random point in the next sit months all your data will die"
19:07.34heviartianyone aware of an svgalib dev package? apt-cache doesn't list one, and it seems I need vga.h
19:07.37greycatWhy doesn't that reference apt-setup?
19:07.40asgasuffield: doesn't have to be random though
19:07.47FieldySnutsasuffield: it can't die because it won't exist in the first place
19:08.10JondoHow do I get DRI on my ATI Rage mobility P/M? (laptop)
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19:08.24asuffieldgreycat: because it's not part of apt
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19:08.29davFrheviarti : in xlib-dev ?
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19:08.33[Figti]hi. part-n00b question : as the 2.4.28 kernel-headers are not available yet, is it possible to find the relevant information elsewhere on the internet? I eventually want to install the ALSA sound drivers...
19:08.34greycatasuffield: so?
19:08.48greycatbase-config: /usr/sbin/apt-setup
19:08.57greycatPackage: base-config
19:08.59greycatSection: base
19:09.06asuffieldgreycat: so it didn't exist when the manpage was written
19:09.12greycatSo fix the man page.
19:09.14heviartidavFr: but i'm building for SVGAlib?
19:09.18greycatOh wait... what am I saying?  You can't fix man pages.
19:09.32asuffieldgreycat: you asked the reason why it's that way. not a reason why it might stay that way :P
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19:09.46asggreycat: apt-setup should also mention apt-cdrom in SEE ALSO too
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19:10.07valdyn[Figti]: you are using 2.4.28 so you compiled it yourself, therefore you already have the required headers
19:10.10Kerrhow can ia make KDM default over GDM ?
19:10.20greycatKerr: dpkg-reconfigure kdm
19:10.24davFrheviarti : it was just a guess. There is search fonction on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, search for package content, and specify "svga.h"
19:10.28Ronincool random msgs now from lusers on everynetwork im on
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19:10.39p30nshould i take the "Source Patch/Diff" or "Source .gz" when im downloading these meant to be debian gfx drivers, what is the difference?
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19:11.41[Figti]valdyn : oh? well thanks! (again, linux is so easy one can't think its clear way) I'll try with what I currently have. Thanx
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19:11.53Kerrgreycat: Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing
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19:12.05greycathow strange.
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19:12.12CuBhello
19:12.15greycatKerr: well... read "/msg dpkg nodm" and ignore the first bits.
19:12.21tecloHello, I am running 2.4.26, and when I do "make;make install" in /usr/src/modules/lm-sensors, I get "kernel/busses/i2c-amd8111.c: In function `amd8111_probe':;kernel/busses/i2c-amd8111.c:386: error: `I2C_HW_SMBUS_AMD8111' undeclared (first use in this function);make: *** [kernel/busses/i2c-amd8111.o] Error 1
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19:12.28teclo... hm, what am I doing wrong ? :)
19:12.39greycatteclo: not using module-assistant
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19:12.50teclogreycat: ah :)
19:12.51p30nvaldyn or any1 thats knows, should i take "999_debian-xfree86-4.3.0.dfsg.1-10-unichrome_X_r29.diff.gz" or the "unichrome-X-r29.tar.gz" for my drivers?
19:12.54greycatbeyond that?  probably misconfigured the kernel somehow.
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19:13.16teclogreycat: I payed attention to the INSTALL in i2c-source and lm-sensors-source...
19:13.20kapdeporchi
19:13.24FieldySnutsravenbird: any1?
19:13.24ravenbird*** any1: No such nick/channel
19:13.45greycatp30n: ugh.... if I had to guess, I'd guess that the first one is meant to be applied to the entire XFree86 source tarball, which I doubt you want to mess with.
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19:14.07greycatp30n: are you sure the page where you found those files doesn't explain what they do?
19:14.41kapdeporchi, anyone speak spanish???
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19:14.45greycat!es
19:14.45dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
19:14.46FieldySnuts15KRPM scsi drives yet a long smart test takes 9.8 minutes while the other 10KRPM older drives take 5 mins.. heh
19:14.46asg!es
19:15.02FieldySnutsthings are noisy, glad i'm not in that room
19:15.04greycatFieldySnuts: bigger disk, I assume.
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19:15.18FieldySnutssame size actually, different electronics I guess (one's seagate, one's ibm)
19:15.20p30ngreycat: yes i couldnt find info on which one to take, one was *.diff.gz and the other was *.gz, i should try the .gz ok?
19:15.34greycatp30n: you're very brave.
19:15.42FieldySnutsfun only 3 more of those to go one at a time
19:15.45tagI don't really get this, I have apache2 and libapache2-modphp4 and php4-mysql all installed but still get this "call to undefined function: mysql_connect()" error
19:15.49lokeapt-get doesnt have a package for qmail?
19:15.53p30ngreycat: heh, why is that?
19:15.54greycatloke: FAQ.
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19:16.10greycatp30n: I've been using Linux for 11 years and I wouldn't mess with that stuff unless you paid me.
19:16.18bluefox83how do i find out what sound server gdm is using? i'd like to make sure it uses the right one
19:16.26valdynp30n: go to http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ and do what that guy sais?
19:16.33greycatI doubt gdm makes any sounds.
19:16.38Randallp30n: You don't want to build that stuff if you can avoid it.   Even the howto sucks.
19:16.47asgtag: did you restart apache2? does /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini have 'extension=mysql.so' at the bottom (and uncommented) ?
19:16.49p30nvaldyn: ok thx, i was messing around on unichrome.sourceforge.net
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19:17.04starshinegreycat: I missed the begin of that thread but I'm impressed how awful it must be
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19:17.29valdynp30n: site i mentioned has debs already made for you from unichrome.sf.net
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19:17.33Randallp30n: Use the debs.
19:17.38tagasg: Thanks (it was the later)
19:17.43greycatFieldySnuts: hey!  don't bogart the Phated!
19:17.44p30nok i will
19:17.44asgtag: ah, you're welcome
19:17.46abrotmanFieldySnuts: sleeping i think
19:17.49asggreycat: hehe
19:17.54bluefox83actually in the gdm setup there is something that says "make sound when login screen is ready"
19:17.56FieldySnuts# 1  Background long   Self test in progress ...
19:17.58FieldySnutshurry up!@#
19:18.03bluefox83and even lets you pick a sound to play
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19:18.27FieldySnutsi can use my eyes thanks
19:18.28valdynp30n: and dont be disappointed if it doesnt work for you, this stuff has experimental written all over it seems
19:18.29lokegreycat i search FAQ nothing on qmail
19:18.37p30nk
19:18.38greycatwrong.
19:18.50greycatunless someone removed the qmail stuff I wrote while I wasn't looking.
19:18.51_blehis there a way to list the packages available for update in apt-get ?
19:18.53abrotmanA. Qmail sucks .. Don't use it
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19:19.08FieldySnuts@win abrotman
19:19.12ravenbirdCongratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
19:19.13vanguardHello !
19:19.17FieldySnutshi
19:19.47vanguardIs here someone from the Debian-Developers-Group ? Someone, who develps the installer ?
19:19.53greycatvanguard: /j #debian-boot
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19:20.15vanguardThanx !
19:20.27capitaineAnyone here built a kernel module for 2.6? I'm trying the first hello world example from http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ but can't get it to work.
19:20.36heviartiallright.. svgalib is completely broken. score another one for debian
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19:21.25starshineheviarti: what sort of borken does yours do?
19:21.47heviartistarshine: try doesn't exist
19:22.10_blehis apt-get install xserver-xfree86 the right way to get xserver ?
19:22.10heviartii'm trying to find the source for svgalib right now
19:22.27abrotman!find svgalib
19:22.29dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'svgalib' (9 shown): liballegro4.1-plugin-svgalib ;; liballegro4a-plugin-svgalib ;; libggi-target-svgalib ;; svgalib-bin ;; svgalib1-libggi2 ;; svgalibg1 ;; svgalibg1-dev ;; vlc-plugin-svgalib ;; zblast-svgalib.
19:22.32bluefox83what package provides /usr/bin/play ?
19:22.35abrotmanhmm ...
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19:22.44abrotmanheviarti: none of those?
19:22.50grendal_primeis anyone using mysql 3.2 ?
19:22.55starshineheviarti: try svgalib-bin
19:22.57grendal_primei cant get the fkr to start
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19:23.35starshineheviarti: zgv deps libsvga1
19:23.38p30nif i put this line in sources.list : deb http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ unichrome/ what should i type after apt-get to get the deb then?
19:23.49EdibleTextbluefox83, sox iirc
19:24.00bluefox83ok, how do i find out what package provides /usr/bin/play ?
19:24.06bluefox83EdibleText, say what?
19:24.11abrotman!tell bluefox83 about search
19:24.13EdibleTextbluefox83, sox iirc
19:24.32EdibleTextbluefox83, as in apt-get install sox
19:24.48bluefox83EdibleText, oooh, ty
19:25.21p30nif i put this line in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ unichrome/ what should i type after apt-get to get the deb for the gfx then?
19:25.29p30nsry for being n00bed out but this is how i learn
19:25.29p30nheh
19:26.03greycatp30n: apt-get update
19:26.08greycatp30n: then whatever the page says to do
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19:26.31p30nso it will do the rest automagically? i have never modified sources.list b4
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19:26.45greycatnothing is automagical.  you must read the directions.
19:26.51p30nok
19:27.29greycatif the page doesn't give you the package names, then after the apt-get update, you can look through the downloaded, unzipped list in /var/lib/apt/lists/* by hand.
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19:28.26p30n"Add the following lines to your /etc/apt/preferences:" i didnt have nothing more than sources.list and apt.conf.d in that folder hmm?
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19:28.52valdynp30n: so you create that file
19:29.14p30njust an empty fil names prefernces?
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19:29.31asgp30n: touch /etc/apt/preferences ; editor /etc/apt/preferences
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19:29.52ZorroPlateadoserver certified with debian???
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19:30.16greycatZorroPlateado: debian is a non-profit organization.  I doubt they have any sort of "certification" standards.
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19:30.48EdibleTextis it possible to assign MAC address to a an interface through /etc/network/interfaces? man 5 interfaces and /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples did not make it clear either way..
19:31.00asgEdibleText: yes
19:31.05ZorroPlateadogreycat: i want to by a server, but my preocupation is compatibility with hardware
19:31.09EdibleTextasg, with the map option?
19:31.12greycatEdibleText: if you can run a command, you can put that command after an "up" in interfaces(5).
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19:31.19asgEdibleText: hwaddress ether 00:01:01:01:02:03
19:31.20p30nhow do i save and quit that "editor" ?
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19:31.28abrotmanZorroPlateado: does your server work with linux?
19:31.31justinchaning the mac address should be done pre-up
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19:31.43EdibleTextjustin, yes
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19:31.50starshineZorroPlateado: make sure its hardware doesn't need non-free support modules, and debian will be golden for you
19:31.51p30nasg: how do i save and quit that "editor" ?
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19:32.16ZorroPlateadoabrotman:i search in dell, ibm, hp, etc... but i don't know
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19:32.23lokegreycat thank you
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19:32.33EdibleTextasg, thanks..  Im going to read the damn man pages and try to catch where i missed that
19:32.34asgp30n: :x (if it's vi), CTRL+X (with nano)
19:32.40lokegreycat i didnt know #debian had a website
19:32.52greycatloke: /topic
19:32.52DarthWiFiTux!moo
19:32.52dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo.
19:32.55asgEdibleText: that's on a sid box, I'm not sure if woody's ifupdown has that though
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19:33.18ZorroPlateadoDell SC1420 Chipset Intel® E7520, CERC SATA RAID 6 CHANNELS
19:33.22asgEdibleText: ah, it does
19:33.31EdibleTextasg ok ill read the changelogs..  wasnt an option (dont think) on my sarge/testing
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19:33.37p30nasg: its vim, what is ":x"
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19:34.06asgp30n: write and exit
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19:34.43jsmwhy would a machine use swap when there is physical memory available?
19:34.49p30nasg: im sorry i dont understand is :x a key combination or what should i press on the keyborad?
19:34.58FieldySnutsthat's normal
19:35.05asgp30n: in comand mode (hit ESC until you hear a beep) then type ':x'
19:35.18FieldySnutsthe least used data in memory commonly goes to swap, to free up more, much faster memory for more recently used apps and data
19:35.28FieldySnutshow agressive that is depends on total ram, etc
19:35.32cubpeople help please... i have compiled new kernrel, and when i boot with it, it tels me "kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (3,6)
19:35.34p30nasg: ok thank u
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19:35.42asgp30n: then (when you have a second) run /usr/bin/vimtutor (for help on working with vi)
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19:35.52p30nok thank u
19:35.54greycatcub: you forgot to build your IDE disk controller or youf file system type info the kernel.  You probably left it as a module.
19:36.01DarthWiFiTuxcub, there are like 10 reassons why that...
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19:36.21cubi compiled IDe controller and my FS in kernel
19:36.50asggreycat: lint under the 'e' key linked to 'f' ?
19:36.58FieldySnutsthen it's a bootloader misconfiguration
19:37.05greycatasg: 'r' and 't' in this case....
19:37.20p30nnice im downloading the debs now, hopefully i may get it running
19:37.22FieldySnutsgrr this smart test that was supposed to take 10 minutes is on 15 minutes, worries me
19:37.26asggreycat: ah
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19:37.39FieldySnutscourse, i say that, and it finishes.
19:37.41aetheraanyone here install enemy teritory
19:37.46greycat!anyone use
19:37.46dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
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19:37.59greycatFieldySnuts: heh
19:38.04aetheracause you point me to a site that explaines it?
19:38.12Randallp30n: I spent days figuring out what all was required and recompiling xfree86 and xorg, only to find the unichrome drivers too lacking :/
19:38.34EdibleTextaethera, google.com is a good start
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19:38.41starshineaethera: google? or /usr/share/doc/whatever-it-is ?
19:38.43grendal_prime/usr/sbin/mysqld: unrecognized option `--skip-external-locking'
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19:38.49grendal_primewhat the hell does that mean?
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19:38.56p30nRandall: hmm what should i do now when i have ran apt-get update and i got the debs from that german dudes page
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19:39.00aetheraEdibleText, I did google
19:39.02greycatit means you passed a flag that it doesn't like
19:39.03aetheraI am on ubuntu
19:39.07p30nRandall: unichrome didnt work for u?
19:39.10greycataethera: /j #ubuntu
19:39.18aetheragreycat, I am in there
19:39.24greycatthen talk there, instead of here.
19:39.25aetherabut just tought you guys will know
19:39.26Delphdont tell me, there's no-one there...
19:39.27Tedturbohello!
19:39.27Tedturbo<PROTECTED>
19:39.41lavamindanyone know why the 2.6 (stock) kernel seems to be unable to write to a smbfs share (while using 2.4 it works fine)
19:39.47Randallp30n: I have a K8M800 on an AMD64.  I got a stable display from cvs with a 32-bit kernel, but no Xv, etc.
19:40.13p30nRandall: ok well i dont even know what Xv is but thats too bad if it didnt work
19:40.18b00hello.  how can I set default sound card with alsa ? alsaconf does not detect my second sound card
19:40.28abrotmanTedturbo: read the manual?
19:40.37p30nwhat should i do now when the apt-get update is done, are my drivers installed now?
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19:41.09GlitchMasterErm... How would I go about detecting a printer? (
19:41.23Orfeoussomeone know a guide howto setup a SOCKS v4 Proxy? what packages do i need?
19:41.25greycatGlitchMaster: turn on the lights, they're usually not hard to spot.
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19:41.28EdibleTextp30n, after apt-gat update one typically does 'apt-get install <package>'
19:41.28nvzGlitchMaster: haha, funny.
19:41.31fmarostica:(
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19:41.35EdibleText/gat/get
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19:41.49grendal_primei never passesd any flag
19:41.53GlitchMasterErr...
19:41.53p30nEdibleText: how do i know what the name on the package should be?
19:41.56fmarosticaany known this errors in amavisd?
19:41.57nvzgreycat: good one :)
19:42.05grendal_primeit seems its a default setting for ....mysql40 but im not running 4.0
19:42.08grendal_primeim running 3.2
19:42.09GlitchMasterIt's not detected, though...
19:42.10grendal_primehmm
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19:42.11[Zakje]RvGaTeHow can i get a list of installed programs ? (cant believe i have forgotten it)
19:42.13Randallp30n: Change the driver in your XF86Config-4 to via.
19:42.14GlitchMasterIt doesn't see it.
19:42.18thomas_adam[Zakje]RvGaTe: /msg dpkg faq
19:42.26p30nRandall: did it already
19:42.31Randallp30n: Then start X.  You can try dri later if that works.
19:42.34Tedturboabrotman: no :-( googled, but i haven't found anything with "laser disable dithering". which manual should i read? and: usually can someone disable dithering on a laser printer? or should him disable it setting up the postscript correctly?
19:42.37GlitchMasterDetecting and or installing a driver for it...
19:42.41EdibleTextp30n, you added the new entry in sources.list you must have an idea why you did that
19:42.49p30nRandall: im in X, always has
19:42.50abrotmanTedturbo: the manual that came with your printer maybe?
19:42.58valdynp30n: you did apt-get upgrade yet?
19:42.58Tedturbooh, i havent :(
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19:43.04abrotmangood place to start
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19:43.07p30nEdibleText: yes but i dunno what the name of the package would be
19:43.11FieldySnuts@clue GlitchMaster
19:43.16p30nvaldyn: i did apt-get update
19:43.17Randallp30n: Take a look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log and make sure it's loading the via driver.
19:43.30valdynp30n: thats not "apt-get upgrade"
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19:44.02p30nvaldyn: what the differnce and why should i do it?
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19:44.28bizkiti'm using samba on woody and when i mount a share and ls -l on the files i have the executable bits  set for all! i've checked the samba docs and set map archive, map system and map hidden each one to = no, but it doesn't help! any ideas?
19:44.30valdynp30n: type "apt-get --help" and read
19:44.39GlitchMasterAn IQ around 160... and I still don't know what to do. -.-
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19:44.58abrotmanGlitchMaster: apparently your math skills aren't so hot :)
19:45.00MaulkinGlitchMaster: www.asylumantics.com
19:45.02tecloGlitchMaster: like, you should not reveal your IQ
19:45.18nvzah, I am experiencing #289440 =P  oh well screw it, I'll use something else... heh
19:45.21GlitchMasterThat was... bleh.
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19:45.26mr_obbI just installed XFree86 and loaded the via vga driver, but when I type startx it gives a drmOpenDevice error. What does this mean?
19:45.28abrotmanbtw .. high IQ doesn't imply common sense
19:45.41iorsiI already get the payoff with the 64-bit extended versions of Virtual Dub and Linux
19:45.44jfilippiit doesn't imply anything
19:45.53greycatmy god... it's VIA X driver day.
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19:45.59mr_obb:)
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19:46.13GlitchMasterTeclo: Eh?
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19:46.23_d4vidhi all
19:46.24nvzGlitchMaster: IQ doesnt count for shit.. when I took an IQ test the first time I failed it because I couldnt give a serious answer to what color a red apple was and shit
19:46.35GlitchMaster:P
19:46.38resiak!VIA X driver day is 2005-01-14
19:47.02dogmeatwhich newsgroup is one that ppl like to post for debian/linux answers?
19:47.07GlitchMasterThat was your own fault for being a smart ass about it, nvz. It doesn't say much about IQ tests.
19:47.08asgdogmeat: debian-user
19:47.19dogmeatasg: is it moderated?
19:47.37Randallmr_obb: You might need dri from cvs for good via support, but then you'd probably need Xorg for that as well.
19:47.41asgdogmeat: no
19:47.46dogmeatasg: thanks
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19:47.48RandallI use Xorg from ubuntu myself.
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19:47.52EdibleTextmost people claim to have above average intelligence, but by definition they cannot
19:48.05abrotmanRandall: sounds like a crummy answer to me
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19:48.14resiakIQ tests merely tell you how good you are at IQ tests. nvz is clearly crap at them :P
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19:48.16greycatabrotman: well, if it works...
19:48.20nvzGlitchMaster: you are like an old 386, 16mhz running Windows 3.1.. thats your IQ.
19:48.20abrotmanmr_obb: google for the error .. see what it says
19:48.22resiakEdibleText: Well, that depends on the type of the average.
19:48.30Randallabrotman: I'm not stopping you from fixing debian.
19:48.36eckoIQ tests test for basic comprehension
19:48.39dpkgresiak: okay
19:48.43abrotmanRandall: what makes you think it's broken?
19:48.44resiakEdibleText: If it's the mean, then what you say is not really true.
19:48.45adjacentis the discover tool neccessary?
19:48.50p30nRandall: i found (II) via: driver for VIA chipsets: CLE266, KM400, K8M800 and later (--) Chipset KM400 found is that it, in the log file ?
19:48.52greycatIQ tests measure your ability to do well on IQ tests.  Nothing more.
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19:48.55resiakadjacent: Not _necessary_.
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19:49.05resiakgreycat: Do I hear an echo in here? :)
19:49.15adjacentresiak: if i take it off my server will i havea problem. thats a better question
19:49.16Randallabrotman: The software it provides is insufficient to run on some hardware.
19:49.24Delphgreycat: but your ability to do IQ tests is a general guide to other things.
19:49.29adjacentim not adding any new hardware =)
19:49.34pingouin!doesn't work
19:49.34dpkgLook buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Does it waste its time on IRC all day long?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
19:49.39abrotmanRandall: that is hardly debian's fault you moron .. if XFree86 doesn't support Via .. how is that debian's fault?
19:49.40resiakadjacent: As far as I know, as long as you don't change your hardware, you'll be fine. But _don't_ quote me on that!
19:49.45SouXichi, i have a question about updating a debian system/ gnome 2.4.1 to gnome 2.8. how do i do this in the synaptic package manager?
19:50.02debd00dclick on selct all updates
19:50.02qianghello, how does rm -rf DIR work ? delete the directories under DIR one by one or ..what
19:50.03adjacentits only 600k, better safe than sorry
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19:50.19p30nRandall: i found a shitload of VIA stuff in the X log and no EE at all so i guess its ok? what should i do now? should i restart X as i havent done that since installing the drivers ?
19:50.20Randallabrotman: XFree86 does, of course, support recent dri and what not.  Debian will not either 1) package a current xfree86 or 2) Xorg.
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19:50.42dogmeatasg: i posted to linux.debian.user, but google groups said it was moderated ...
19:50.45DelphRandall: this doesn't stop you using whatever you like on a debian system...
19:50.47valdynp30n: you are mistaking something
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19:50.54p30nvaldyn: what?
19:51.00resiakSouXic: THe short answer is read the help file. The other answer is find gnome, mark it for upgrade and click apply
19:51.00RandallDelph: correct
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19:51.08Fremis siagoffice no longer in the debian sarge package library
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19:51.11RandallI didn't start this debate ;)
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19:51.12DelphRandall: so just go and use it and debian is not broken; as it lets you do it =:)
19:51.17abrotmanRandall: which version of XF does? .. last time i asked .. XFree had horrible support for newer via stuff .. and it may or may not work in CVS .. still not debian's fault
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19:51.46valdynp30n: you chipset is basically supported by debians X, you got new packages to support "advanced" stuff like hardware mpg decoding, so restart X and try if that works
19:52.01p30nvaldyn: ok i will
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19:52.09Randallabrotman: Well, I ran into a problem with dri from cvs not working on 4.3.99 + patches or whatever debian packages, but iirc recent 4.4's and Xorg did work ...
19:52.12debd00dcan you change "testing" to "unstable" in sources.list , will it change sarge to sid?
19:52.26resiakdebd00d: If you have to ask, you shouldn't.
19:52.30abrotmanRandall: and did you file a bug?
19:52.46debd00dwell, i know it will but whats the percentage of systems that messed up
19:52.54asgdogmeat: try lists.debian.org
19:52.58p30nvaldyn: X started just fine, so i guess it works now or ?
19:52.59resiakdebd00d: Ditto.
19:53.00debd00dor is it "safe"
19:53.02RandallI see that I'm wasting my time, which is why we have /ignore.
19:53.05resiakdebd00d: Not if you're asking that.
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19:53.18valdynp30n: well, that that works isnt new is it?
19:53.22debd00dwell that really helped  = \     thhanks anyway
19:53.23p30nvaldyn: i only "logged out" to the console and did startx there thats how i should have done it right?
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19:53.37valdynp30n: fine.
19:53.44DelphRandall: there's a point to be made here. You want to critize debian, debian needs people to report things and fix them. doing one without the other is your own problem.
19:53.45abrotmanRandall: so you don't file a bug .. and it's still debian's fault? ..
19:53.49mr_obbabrotman: I googled for the error. Several links there suggest I need to install chipset-specific AGPGART drivers. Can that still be the problem using 2.6.8-10?
19:53.52resiakdebd00d: Sorry, I'm being an asshole.
19:53.58abrotmanRandall: and you say i should help fix debian?
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19:54.25abrotmanmr_obb: not sure .. you can use modconf to see if they are there .. or check dmesg
19:54.33valdynp30n: you did apt-get upgrade successfully btw?
19:54.38resiakdebd00d: I understand that it doesn't break very often. When it does break, you get to pick up the pieces. In the past, things like PAM have broken (so you can't log in)...
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19:55.09p30nvaldyn: how can i check if everything is ok then? the glmatrix screensaver drops down to 7-8 fps even if i have everything tuned down, is that ok? i will do the apt-get upgrade now, anything i should think about?
19:55.12resiakdebd00d: A better plan is to stick with testing, and grab individual packages that you need from unstable.
19:55.15RandallDelph: When did I criticize debian?
19:55.29resiakdebd00d: If you read the apt docs it will tell you about pinning, which you might like to read up on.
19:55.32abrotmanRandall: wheny ou said debian is broken ..
19:55.33DelphRandall: if not know, read back and be educated.
19:55.37travisatdebd00d: my unstable broke last night =/
19:55.42RandallDelph: I just said that I'm using ubuntu Xorg.  My bug report is really going to get debian to start using Xorg?
19:55.47debd00dresiak: ok, ill check it out...thanks for the info though   =)
19:55.48valdynp30n: so far you installed no new software at all it seems, so nothing changed naturally.
19:55.55resiak!tell debd00d -about pinning
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19:56.04resiakdebd00d: No problem. Sorry for biting your head off earlier.
19:56.12debd00dheh, no problem
19:56.20RandallSince it's such an effective trigger, I'm going to include the word "ubuntu" (and maybe "gentoo") in every statement I make.
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19:56.37p30nvaldyn: why did i install these debs then from the germans page? i thought i needed the drivers hmm, why is the fps so low in gl screensaver?
19:56.52abrotmanRandall: if you like them .. go use them .. stop bitching here
19:56.53eggyGIVE IT UP! Thats right GIVE it UP
19:56.54eggy;p
19:57.03valdynp30n: you installed debs? which?
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19:57.15FieldySnuts@troll Randall
19:57.25resiak@goblin me
19:57.27resiakAhem.
19:57.32RandallFieldSnuts: Talk to the zealots.
19:57.42RandallI'm just trying to use my hardware w/o the politics.
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19:57.48p30nvaldyn: http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ that what i found there
19:58.03abrotmanRandall: then file a fucking bug report .. help someone else you lazy bum
19:58.28Randallp30n: There's something in that guy's docs about apt_preferences, or his packages might not get priority.
19:58.44Randallp30n: Sorry for ignoring you.  I was fighting the insidious effects of religion.
19:58.53DarthWiFiTuxwhy did they made apt-get moo?
19:58.55p30nRandall: i created that file and put that text in it, prefernces and stuff
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19:58.57abrotman!moo
19:58.57dpkgmooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo.
19:58.58FieldySnutsI am a zealot. and debian is zealoty (not extreme), so good luck.
19:59.05resiakDarthWiFiTux: Why not!
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19:59.21resiakDarthWiFiTux: The same reason as cowsay
19:59.47DarthWiFiTuxresiak, cowsay? you are one rebel fellow.
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19:59.52valdynp30n: just "apt-get upgrade" and let me know what that installs
20:00.01resiakDarthWiFiTux: What do you mean?
20:00.11DarthWiFiTuxresiak, what's cowsay?
20:00.16p30nRandall: like this touch /etc/apt/preferences ; editor /etc/apt/preferences and then i wrote that stuff in it, what should i do now? i have restarted X and it booted fine
20:00.32simonrvnDarthWiFiTux: apt-cache show cowsay
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20:00.58DarthWiFiTuxsimonrvn, no way...
20:01.05Randallp30n: To be honest, my apt-preferences experience is mighty limited.  I ran into a bug and stopped playing with it.
20:01.07resiakDarthWiFiTux: It's a priceless system administration tool.
20:01.24DarthWiFiTuxha
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20:01.38GlitchMasterTo quote nbz (earlier): "GlitchMaster: you are like an old 386, 16mhz running Windows 3.1.. thats your IQ."     Now, I take that very offensively. That's just disturbing, in fact. You have had no real example of my intellectual capabilities, nvz, and have little right to say something like that without sufficient proof. A couple of statements, regardless of how arrogant they may be, do not usually give that sort of evidence.
20:01.38GlitchMaster<PROTECTED>
20:01.39resiakDarthWiFiTux: If you don't use it, after 54 minutes of inactivity your Debian box will transmogrify into a heap of smouldering rubble.
20:01.43FieldySnutsdyop gloofinh
20:01.48FieldySnutsstop flooding (homerow!)
20:01.49simonrvnDarthWiFiTux: just do the apt-cache show...
20:01.59Randallfortune | cowsay goes into shell profiles
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20:02.14DarthWiFiTuxsimonrvn, I already did
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20:02.20p30nvaldyn: it wants to install base-config discover1-data grub initrd-tools kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 libdiscover1 libgda2-1 libgda2-common, how about that?
20:02.46abrotmanRandall: and did you file a bug about it?
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20:03.00p30nRandall: i think the prefences file is ok, but what should i do now when i "think" i ahve it installed? how can i confirm it and how can i test it?
20:03.02valdynp30n: those arent required now, feel free to do that later, anything else?
20:03.29DarthWiFiTuxsimonrvn, huh, it puts whatever you write in the top and then the cow? is that it?
20:03.36resiakDarthWiFiTux: man cowsay
20:03.45resiakDarthWiFiTux: It does all kinds of exciting things.
20:03.51p30nvaldyn: that was all i got when i wrote apt-get upgrade 18megs, i dont need to download it then or?
20:03.52resiakDarthWiFiTux: Also, while you're at it, apt-get install sl
20:03.53pznhi! what I upgraded from debian kernel-image-2.4.18 to kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686, the beep when I press control+g on tty1 stoped working. do you have any hint?
20:03.53ericb_currrently trying to do X11 forwarding with Xnest; I did Xnest -query 192.168.0.100 :2 and xhost +.  On the remote box (running solaris)(192.168.0.100), I did export $DISPLAY=192.168.0.101:2.  Then I started a X apps.  The problem is, on the server side, each time a client try to connect, I get :  AUDIT: Fri Jan 14 14:56:19 2005: 18866 Xnest: client 1 rejected from IP 192.168.0.100 port 32800 [\n] XDM: too many retransmissions
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20:04.00ericb_anyone have an idea ?
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20:04.28valdynp30n: no, not now
20:04.46FieldySnutsravenbird: any ideas?
20:04.47ravenbirdYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a sack of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged oxen.  And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes!
20:04.53valdynp30n: edit your /etc/apt/preferences, replace the 600 with 1100, then run apt-get upgrade
20:05.02DarthWiFiTuxresiak, hehe sl is cool.
20:05.05p30nvaldyn: do u have any idea about how i can confirm that i rly installed those drivers and how can i test them? is it normal to have about 8-10fps on a fullscreen gl screensaver ?
20:05.19valdynp30n: ops, then run apt-get _dist-upgrade_
20:05.28abrotman@u
20:05.28ravenbirdDammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.
20:05.43Fremawexome! dir listings though cowsay!
20:05.45p30nvaldyn: will do apt-get dist-upgrade, like that or with the _ _ ?
20:05.49valdynp30n: i dont think you have installed anything, above is instructions how to fix
20:05.52resiakp30n: Without the _s.
20:05.56p30nk k
20:06.03Randallp30n: You probably will not get accelerated opengl.  I'm sorry, but your (and mine) hardware vendor sucks ass.
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20:06.17p30nRandall too bad
20:06.18Randallp30n: You might get slightly faster 2d though.
20:06.18abrotmanbut it's debian's fault
20:06.19Piruhttp://spaceflightnow.com/cassini/images/050114huygens1.jpg <- first picture of titan.. altitude of 16km
20:06.32p30nRandall: would it be better if i threw in a geforce 2 mx 400?
20:06.37Randallp30n: fanless FX5200 card is ~$50 :)
20:06.44Randallp30n: _tons_ better
20:06.54abrotman!tell ericb_ about repeat
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20:06.57p30nRandall: i have one extra here need to think about it
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20:08.33tkienWhat's the easiest way to debianize an old win98 system that doesn't support booting from cd? I'm going to install unstable.
20:08.36Randallp30n: You could try apt-get --reinstall -f install xserver-xfree86
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20:09.02abrotmanwhat does that accomplish?
20:09.06Randalltkien: shrink the fat32, boot linux from win98, install
20:09.25Fremtkien, do a 6 floppy net install on it
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20:09.26valdynRandall: thats not wrong, but it wouldnt pull the other packages which this xserver-xfree86 depends on or vice versa
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20:09.35p30nvaldyn: i should do apt-get upgrade ? i got these same packages that i wrote a few lines ago, and localization-config ppp pppconfig and xserver-xfree86 what should i do?
20:09.38abrotmantkien: there are boot floppies(do you want to save win98?)
20:09.42tkienRandall: how is that "boot linux from win 98" part accomplished?
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20:09.49tkienabrotman: nah, I don't need it
20:09.51valdynp30n: do it
20:09.53abrotman!bf
20:09.53dpkgwoody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/
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20:10.02abrotmantkien: you want sarge/sid though?
20:10.09tkienabrotman: yes
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20:10.18p30nvaldyn: so i should download all those packages that u didnt think i should download a few minutes ago?
20:10.21abrotmantkien: you realize sarge is testing right?
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20:10.30Randalltkien: loadlin
20:10.40tkienabrotman: I'm currently using sid on another computer, yes, I know the risks
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20:11.00valdynp30n: no, i just said and meant "not now", now that your fixed /etc/apt/preferences is a good time to do that too
20:11.06xnoriam now running gnome but want to jump over to fluxbox, how do i do that? i have it installed and confugured but when i installed gnome it always starts up
20:11.22tkienRandall: I thought loadlin had been long forgotten :)
20:11.22p30nvaldyn ok, what should i do afterwards? or should i ask again then?
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20:11.31abrotmantkien: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
20:11.37Randalltkien: You're bring the past back, not me :)
20:11.43Randalls/ing/inginging/
20:11.44abrotmantkien: those are sarge boot flpopies .. dunno how well they work .. never used them
20:11.53tkienRandall: yeah, that's true actually...
20:11.54P-Awhat to setup so my webserver are able to send confirm emails and password recovery emails automaticly?
20:11.56p30nvaldyn: should it download the xfree86 from debian.org ftp ?
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20:12.07tkienabrotman: thanks
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20:12.14valdynp30n: no, from physik.fu-berlin.de
20:12.20resiakP-A: Erm, are you sure that's a Debian-related question
20:12.25abrotmantkien: /msg dpkg ig .. read the sarge one
20:12.53tkienthe thing is i was hoping it could be done without floppies... I happen to hate them :)
20:12.57P-Aresiak: its on a debian system and thought maby some one smart could help me here when no one else can
20:13.04tkienlike debootstrap on windows or something
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20:13.15abrotmantkien: so... you can't boot from CD .. and don't like floppies .. how about USB?
20:13.26valdynp30n: after that, read some docs, on unichrome.sourceforget.net, /msg dpkg faq on irc. Otherwise you wont get forward..
20:13.32tkienabrotman: you think the system has usb? ;)
20:13.35resiakP-A: You haven't even told us what application is involved.
20:13.42abrotmantkien: you never know ..
20:13.51tkienabrotman: well, it doesn't
20:13.53abrotmantkien: i'd go with the floppies myself
20:14.01abrotmantkien: it's the 'easiest' way
20:14.09tkienabrotman: yeah, i guess i'll try that
20:14.23peterShey, who's this "p30n" person?
20:14.32peterSthat's plagiarising my domain
20:14.33abrotmanpeterS: he thinks you're cute
20:14.35GlitchMasterRandom chatspeak rant: I've noticed that various chatspeaking-using noobtards have adopted a variation of the word, "anyway". They type "newayz" (from the grammatically incorrect slang, "anyways"). You'll notice that "anyway" and "newayz" have the same number of letters. Chatspeak was built on the idiotic idea that typing incorrect (but shorter) words, and using numbers and letters that sort of sound like them would save tim
20:14.35GlitchMastere.
20:14.37RandallHe's a pr0n actor breaking into the linux world.
20:14.41peterSabrotman: heh
20:14.47GlitchMasterInstead of learning to actually type correctly, smoothly, and quickly (about two weeks' practice), they choose to seek and peck out unusual key combinations to form chatspeak words.
20:14.52GlitchMaster...I was hoping that'd fit better...
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20:15.06p30nvaldyn: isnt the drivers installed after this? what do i need to after that then?
20:15.09peterSRandall: I think that'd be p30cm
20:15.13abrotmanGlitchMaster: oh .. we've noticed
20:15.16p30npeterS: what are u thinkering about?
20:15.20abrotman!u
20:15.20dpkgDammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud.  Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
20:15.22peterSp30n: my domain is p12n.org, see
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20:15.41abrotmanpatronization?
20:15.44p30npeterS: well thats not p30n right?
20:15.53peterSp30n: clearly the one evokes the other
20:15.56GlitchMasterAbrot, I know. It's just fun to rant about. :P
20:16.06burnezhey there! after kernel-upgrade (2.6.8 ==> 2.6.10) no sound with alsa.
20:16.08abrotmanGlitchMaster: use your tab key
20:16.11p30npeterS: well peon is my irl nickname, somehow, its kinda stupid
20:16.12abrotman!nick completion
20:16.12dpkgHitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles.
20:16.16burneztried alsaconf, alsamixergui etc.
20:16.24peterSp30n: oh, I see (:
20:16.29burnezmy sound card is a terratec aureon 7.1 spacew.
20:16.39peterSabrotman: patronization is only p11n
20:16.50abrotmanpeterS: i know . it was a joke .. sorry
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20:17.24peterSabrotman: oh, I know that too (:
20:17.30mr_obbI found out that I don't have a VIA DRM module installed. The only options in modconf are appr. 8 yrs old. How can I find and install a DRM module?
20:17.48P-Aresiak: apache 1.3, php4, mysql, whant to be able to send recovery emails for passwords and ordinary contact me/us emails from page.
20:17.55abrotman8 years?
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20:18.03abrotmani didn't think agpgart was 8 years old
20:18.05peterSmr_obb: is your graphics chip a VIA, or just your AGP bridge?
20:18.37GlitchMasterabrotman: It's annoying to type out half a name in order to tab it, and typing half a name is a habit. My apologies.
20:18.40mr_obbPeterS: I've got a KM400 chipset, which is a VIA chipset with integrated video
20:18.47GlitchMasterErr....
20:18.48abrotmanGlitchMaster: it's almost as bad as 'u'
20:18.49abrotman:)
20:18.52p30nwhats the simplest cmd for rebooting my system now again? :s
20:18.53GlitchMasterI'm very much out of it.
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20:19.04resiakP-A: As in recovery emails for shell account passwords?
20:19.06peterSp30n: reboot
20:19.08mr_obbp30n: reboot?
20:19.10Blissexp30n: 'reboot'
20:19.12peterSmr_obb: right, just making sure.  lots of people have VIA chipsets but some other graphics chip, like a NVidia
20:19.15abrotman$ reboot
20:19.16dvsp30n: reboot?
20:19.18websdaleburnez: any error/debug messages?
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20:19.28abrotmanactually .. i suppose it's more likely # reboot
20:19.35resiakP-A: I'm afraid that that won't be possible, because users' passwords are stored one-way hashed.
20:19.36p30nlol
20:19.41valdynmr_obb: http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/
20:19.50Uniis anyone in here familiar with the automated install features for debian?
20:19.55dvsp30n: I don't think we can agree. ;-)
20:19.59abrotman!tell Uni about fai
20:20.06burnezwebsdale: no..
20:20.10burnezone moment..
20:20.14peterSdvs: to be contrary I suppose I should say "shutdown -r now"
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20:20.35dvspeterS: Well if you HAVE to get technical about it. ;-)
20:21.10burnezwebsdale: jens@debian-Box:~$ lspci |grep audi
20:21.10burnez0000:01:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (rev 01)
20:21.34burnezwebsdale: jens@debian-Box:~$ play /usr/share/sounds/startup.ogg
20:21.34burnezplaying /usr/share/sounds/startup.ogg
20:21.34burnezjens@debian-Box:~$
20:21.34P-Aresiak: no for users at the homepage ex if you forget your password for some forum or whatever then you often can get it or a new one sent to your email you signed up with
20:21.51abrotmanP-A: how are your passwords stored?
20:21.58p30nvaldyn: ok so now i have installed all that with apt-get upgrade and i have rebooted my system cuz it downloaded a new kernel, what now?
20:22.20lenohow unstable is "unstable", is it unusable?
20:22.27abrotman!sid
20:22.28dpkgmethinks sid is the unstable version of Debian.  Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development.  It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  Ask me about unstable.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.
20:22.33abrotmanleno: ^^
20:22.37p30nleno: im using unstable and its quite stable
20:22.38dvsp30n: uname -r
20:22.38lenoty
20:22.41leno:)
20:22.50P-Aabrotman: in a mysql database
20:22.52Uniabrotman, excellent danke, that gets me past the having to have a floppy hurdle
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20:22.56p30ndvs: what is that?
20:22.58abrotmanUni: np
20:23.56dvsp30n: Just to check if you're running the new kernel
20:23.56abrotmanP-A: that wasn't really my question .. did you md5 the passwords or crypt them before storing them?
20:23.56alexwhy there isn't any kernel-image of 2.6.10 on ap-get ?
20:23.56P-Amd5
20:23.56valdynp30n: read the docs and the faq, I'm not going to read them for you ( i dont know this chipset )
20:23.56dvsalex: sarge is pretty much frozen.
20:23.57p30ndvs: 2.4.27-1-386
20:23.57resiakP-A: Well, MD5 is irreversable.
20:24.00abrotmanP-A: then no .. you cannot retrieve those passwords ..
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20:24.06dvsp30n: Is that the newest kernel?
20:24.12p30ndvs: no idea
20:24.13resiakP-A: (within a reasonable time-frame)
20:24.14abrotmanP-A: the only way to do such a thing is to store them in clear text ..
20:24.15alexdvs, i've unstable
20:24.28abrotmanP-A: the best thing to do is to generate a random one and send it to them.
20:24.33dvsalex: packages are put in unstable which filter to testing.
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20:24.46simonrvndvs: it is not. base+standard
20:24.56websdaleburnez:do you get any output from 'aplay -l' ? (paste in channel #flood not here :)
20:25.03p30nvaldyn: hmm i dont find any useful info int the documentation, and i dont rly need to anything with it either, i just wanted to install my gfx drivers, how can i confirm that they are there now and working?
20:25.10simonrvndvs: re: your sarge being frozen
20:25.30P-Amkey but how do i get the server to send the e-mails thats really the question :). right now it wont send any emails
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20:25.36abrotmanmaybe we should restart the sarge ppol
20:25.43abrotmanP-A: use PHP's mail() function
20:25.50P-Aabrotman i have
20:25.54FieldySnutsfirst on-ground image from titan :) http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMCXM71Y3E_0.html
20:26.08burnezyep: **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
20:26.08burnezcard 0: T71Space [Terratec Aureon 7.1-Space], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724]
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20:26.08burnezcard 0: T71Space [Terratec Aureon 7.1-Space], device 1: IEC1724 IEC958 [IEC1724 IEC958]
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20:26.12abrotmanP-A: well .. if it's not working .. check your logs and ask #php ..
20:26.13P-Aabrotman: but it wont work
20:26.14FieldySnutsdie
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20:26.19burnezcard 0: T71Space [Terratec Aureon 7.1-Space], device 2: ICE1724 Surrounds [ICE1724 Surround PCM]
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20:26.21FieldySnutsgreycat: ping (burnez)
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20:26.27burnez<PROTECTED>
20:26.32abrotmanstupid stupid people
20:26.33P-Aabrotman: ok thx for your help
20:26.43abrotmanP-A: your logs should be your first start
20:26.55abrotmanFieldySnuts: looks like jersey :)
20:26.59websdaleburnez: you didn't notice  my comment about pasting into flood then?
20:27.15abrotman!tell burnez about paste
20:27.20simonrvnburnez: don't you read?
20:27.39simonrvn@lart burnez
20:27.54burnezwups.. I'm acting too fast and reading too slow..
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20:29.10simonrvnresiak: re: mail, probably. probably not even set up
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20:29.37resiaksimonrvn: Hell, I've never managed to make Exim play nicely with my ISP's SMTP auth.
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20:30.39elnovatoive enabled the Sound server on Gnome, now there is no sound , what happened?
20:31.02resiak!esd
20:31.03dpkgi heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox
20:31.29resiakblist
20:31.30simonrvni like enhanced SEGV daemon, personally.
20:31.36peterSsimonrvn: that works (:
20:31.38resiakBuggeration, not my #bitlbee :(
20:32.00BR_resiak: hehe ;)
20:32.05BR_resiak: I run cgi.bitlbee.org ;)
20:32.32resiakBR_: I run localhost :D
20:32.36simonrvnpeterS: :)
20:32.40BR_resiak: ;)
20:32.41simonrvnresiak: w00t
20:32.57resiaksimonrvn: With regard to Exim or BitlBee?
20:33.02simonrvnwarez: http://127.4.36.124 ;p
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20:33.07BR_resiak: I have > 200 users soo naaayrreee :P
20:33.13peterShehe
20:33.16resiakBR_: Well, whatever. :p
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20:33.32peterS127.4.36.124 has even more good stuff than 127.35.0.250
20:33.33resiakBR_: For what it's worth, I wrote the BitlBee writeup on e2.
20:33.44BR_resiak: nice ;)
20:33.45resiakpeterS, simonrvn: Stop being 1337 :p
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20:34.00Monildoes sarge support s-ata?
20:34.05simonrvnpeterS: y4h, th3y r0x0r d00d
20:34.10peterSresiak: oh yeah.  127.3.13.37 is even better
20:34.18BR_resiak: seems we can't have a good discussion using the word localhost ;)
20:34.26resiakBR_: Heh.
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20:34.38BR_resiak: oh crap, now I said it ;)
20:35.00peterSspeaking of which
20:35.16peterSMonil: yes, SATA is supported, if you have a SATA chipset supported by the stock Linux kernel 2.6.8
20:35.24Monilhmm
20:35.26p30nthanks for all ur help guys, now im gonna take a break from debian, too much at a time isnt good, thank u and ttyl
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20:35.28simonrvnwhy do people confused a version of a distro with a kernel?
20:35.33simonrvnconfuse*
20:35.43peterSsimonrvn: dunno, I'm running Linux 7.3 here
20:35.45dvsp30n: You're gonna have nightmares.
20:36.00simonrvnpeterS: tell that to the g3 sitting in this box ;p
20:36.01dvs;-)
20:36.03simonrvnpeterS: woops
20:36.09simonrvnp30n: tell that to the g3 sitting in this box ;p
20:36.14p30ndvs: yea most probably :p had em already last night from the installer config :p
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20:36.17resiakpeterS: j00 sux0r. I have Linux Fedora Mandrake 3.4!
20:36.23simonrvnpeterS: heh
20:36.23MonilpeterS: do you know where i can find a list of those?
20:36.29MonilVIA KM400
20:36.29MonilVT8237
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20:36.31peterSresiak: 3.4?  you're so behind the times.  I heard Linux 10.1 is out now
20:36.31p30nsimonrvn: yea yea :p
20:36.35Monilthats what i have apparently
20:36.38mobiusis there a "sandbox" type approach to making packages? i.e. it would be neat to be able to just ./configure;make and come up with a .deb. similar to make-kpkg
20:36.38resiakpeterS: No shit? Bugger.
20:36.52bizkitany idea why samba shows me wrong file sizes when mounting shares? (its reiserfs the data is on). in real the file is 4k, mounted via share the file is 2m!
20:36.56FieldySnuts@roger resiak
20:36.58ravenbirdBend over, resiak and take it like a man!
20:37.04resiakmobius: If the source you're building from has a debian/rules file, then yes. debian/rules binary
20:37.05Monilnot to worry peterS, it seems to have picked it up
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20:37.21mobiusresiak: that's not very likely/standard
20:37.25Piruhttp://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/cassini_huygens/huygens_land/landing_01_H.tif <- first picture from the surface of Titan (yes, it's really OT, but I think this is really really cool stuff, so bear with me :)
20:37.36peterSMonil: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/
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20:37.48Monilok
20:37.48mobiusit could do something like intercept the cp & mv commands in "make install"
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20:37.50Monilnext question
20:37.53Monildoes debian support amd64?
20:38.00resiak!amd64
20:38.00dpkgsomebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html  See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1)
20:38.10peterSmobius: there is 'stow' and there is 'dh_make'
20:38.16resiakmobius: I don't know offhand, I'm afraid, but a hell of a lot of things do have debian/rules.
20:38.31mobiuspeterS: i'll check those out
20:38.41peterSmobius: neither does what you're asking, precisely, but a .deb package is more than the sum of its install files.  in general, an automated "make install"-based procedure would produce poor-quality packages
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20:40.28GlitchMasterNow, about that printer. Seriously, this Lexmark is not being "detected", and I've seen little documentation about installing printers on Debian via google... I'd just like to know where to look. That's all I ask for. It is possible that this is a GNOME thing... I'm not sure.
20:40.39pznI'm trying to setup encrypted fs on debian. All I got is "ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument" when trying to use "losetup". any hint? kernel is 2.6.8-1-686.
20:40.39stewmobius: apt-get install maint-guide ; and read /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/*
20:40.52p30nasd
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20:41.36greycatdpkg, invalid argument is <reply> "foo: Invalid argument" usually means you're trying to do something for which you need a special kernel option enabled -- and you didn't enable it.
20:41.36dpkggreycat: okay
20:43.04mobiusstew: thnkx
20:43.08mobiusbleh thanks
20:43.16stewyou're welcome
20:43.23greycatGlitchMaster: *stop* using GNOME.  Get out of X entirely if you have to.  Go login on a console.  OK now?  Printers have *nothing* to do with GNOME.  We've been using printers on Unix before X even existed, let alone GNOME.
20:43.42resiakdpkg, invalid argument =~ s/it./it. "That argument is invalid" is commonly used if you use non-sequiturs during a discussion./
20:43.42dpkgOK, resiak
20:43.44simonrvnnfk
20:43.47greycatGlitchMaster: install cupsys-whatever and read the CUPS docs, or choose lprng and read the lprng docs, if you prefer.
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20:44.35pzngreycat: about "invalid argument", when you write "enable the option", it means enabling at compile time, or it can mean load a module also?
20:44.43simonrvn@invalid argument is <reply>"foo: Invalid argument" usually means you're trying to do something for which you need a special kernel option enabled -- and you didn't enable it. "That argument is invalid" is commonly used if you use non-sequiturs during a discussion.
20:44.44ravenbirdsimonrvn: okay
20:45.03greycatpzn: or even "iptables ... -m foobar".  All three are possibilities.
20:45.05mobiuswhat is the correct syntax for this tool. i believe i am using it correctly. "update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 0 1 2 3 4 5"
20:45.20mobiuserr substitute 91 for 20 in mine
20:45.26greycatmobius: don't use update-rc.d directly if you don't want to.  It's easier to use ln -s.
20:45.34ribnitzhello people. I am having problems with enigmail in tb (sid). any knowledgable around?-I am gettting the error message: old stylep partial length for packet type 6..
20:45.41mobiusi did use ln -s, but sometimes i want to move all at once. :)
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20:46.09ribnitzmobius: use file-rc
20:46.13GomoXhi
20:46.13GlitchMastergreycat: I didn't actually think it was GNOME. Calm down. :P
20:46.18pznmobius: you need a final dot (.), see man update-rc.d
20:46.21simonrvnresiak: until the bots upport dcc, that's what we've got
20:46.26simonrvnsupport even
20:46.42elnovato!esd how to
20:46.44resiaksimonrvn: I was kidding. It's cool.
20:46.47elnovato!esd
20:46.47dpkgesd is probably the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox
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20:46.50pznhas anyone here ever used encrypted filesystem on debian? I need a help about which modules to load in kernel...
20:46.50mobiuspzn: ahh.. i thought that was only if there were more start/stop commands.. thanks
20:46.56simonrvnresiak: :)
20:47.05resiakelnovato: Why do you want it?
20:47.08ribnitzpzn: dont rley on it being secure.
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20:47.45GomoXCan anyone recommend a good Athlon64 motherboard with well-supported on board devices?
20:47.47elnovatoresiak:  i need something like ARTS over gnome.. but i cant find, i want to standarize all my apps to use one sound source
20:47.53pznribnitz: ok, I'm doing it for learning (school)...
20:47.53stewpzn: there is a cryptoloop howto on tdlp
20:47.56abrotmanGomoX: if you give me a moment
20:48.08GomoXabrotman: sure
20:48.11gerardhello, i'm searching a command like "net send" from win NT, but under 2 linux machines, anyone know anything?
20:48.20abrotmanGomoX: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/?group_id=30192
20:48.28ribnitzgerard: what does net send do?
20:48.29abrotmanGomoX: good place to start anyways
20:48.30greycatisn't that the annoying "pop up a message on some poor sap's display" thing?
20:48.36stewyeah
20:48.41abrotmangreycat: yes
20:48.47abrotmangerard: talk ?
20:48.48GomoXabrotman: thanks
20:48.48resiakelnovato: Embrace ALSA and dmix
20:48.58greycatif linux supported "net send" type functionality by default, I'd be forced to break it.
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20:49.06jsmgerard: why on earth do u want that?
20:49.07_rene_gerard: smbclient can do that
20:49.12stewgerard: you could setup a jabber server or something
20:49.13mr_obbvaldyn: Can you help me out? The site you gave me earlier on Unichrom DRM drivers onnly has a via-drm-source*.deb online and no via-drm*.deb.
20:49.20_rene_used that already ;-P
20:49.22gerardribnitz: send message over local network, and it appears on middle of screen
20:49.26_rene_it just can't receive but send
20:49.32ribnitzgerard: "talk"
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20:50.01ribnitz_rene_: annoyance par execellence..
20:50.11gerardribnitz: ok
20:50.40_rene_ribnitz: I used it to neck my father (using winxp) ;-P
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20:50.56ribnitzgerard: at least thats the unix/linux tool closest in functionality, apart from IM stuff.
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20:50.59greycatI don't think the word "neck" as a verb means what you think it means.
20:51.13simonrvnyou could also pester people to run AV and anti-adware s/w ;)
20:51.25ribnitzgreycat: "cut off at the neck"?
20:51.36simonrvnribnitz: um, no
20:51.42tak_im getting errors like: hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=2342358, ... I ran e2fsck -c, and badblocks -o badlist.txt ... but none of these are working, there's just more and more errors ... is there a different way to mark bad blocks?
20:52.00simonrvntak_: um, get you data off ASAP
20:52.02jsmtak_: wouldn't u be better of getting a new disk?
20:52.04simonrvnyour*
20:52.07greycattak_: your disk is dying.
20:52.08mrexhi. running 2.6.9 (on debian) on a laptop. got a TI PCI1410 cardbus controller. When I load yenta_socket and put in a card kacpid goes mad and cpu usage goes to 100%. couldn't find anything on the net. any ideas? (is this the right channel?)
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20:52.13tak_jsm: yes i have a new disk, but im trying to get the data off ASAP
20:52.21_rene_greycat: hmm. /me goes looking up in a dictionary
20:52.24greycattak_: some of the data... will not make it.
20:52.40jsmtak_: have you tried just copying it off?
20:52.42tak_greycat: that's fine... just as much as I can get would make me happy
20:52.45simonrvnwelcome to backup world
20:53.00greycat<PROTECTED>
20:53.00greycat<PROTECTED>
20:53.02resiaktak_: You might be able to successfully use dd with its noerror mode. I can't remember what exactly it's called. Of course, this relies on you having enough space on your new drive to hold your entire old drive alongside everything else.
20:53.03tak_jsm: nope... not yet, when I boot it tries to check the disk and then i start getting those failures
20:53.08ribnitzsimonrvn: looked it up. (mech). to reduce in diameter..
20:53.13FabParmahave you idea where to find video card drivers ?
20:53.21valdynmr_obb: man make-kpkg, if you cant figure things out from there, then dont use that software. It does seem rather experimental yet.
20:53.26resiakFabParma: What video card do you have?
20:53.28simonrvnribnitz: slang terms too... heh
20:53.35jsmtak_:  do you have both disks in the machine?
20:53.42itom_DerJamster, are u there?
20:53.52jsmtak_: put both disks in the same machine, boot off of knoppix and do the copy
20:53.54tak_jsm: yes, /dev/hda is debian... /dev/hdb is for /home -- and hdb is the one that is failing
20:54.00_rene_hmm
20:54.06ribnitzsimonrvn, greycat: that was not in dict. dict sux.
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20:54.14valdynmr_obb: naturally the faq has a section about make-kpkg somewhere too
20:54.17tak_jsm: i can boot to debian, i just dont know what to do after that
20:54.19greycatribnitz: it's in *mine*, if I scroll down.
20:54.21_rene_I meant necken which is a synonym for ärgern where my dictionary say:
20:54.24FabParmaresiak--> matrox g45+mdha16d/0e5
20:54.24dnbhey
20:54.28_rene_annoy / tease
20:54.29resiak!matrox
20:54.29dpkgrumour has it, matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cought*nVidia*cough*......
20:54.29dnbhow can i close exim4 fully ?
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20:54.33greycatribnitz: From WordNet (r) 2.0
20:54.41jsmtak_: so you want to copy from hdb to hda?
20:54.43resiakFabParma: You're looking for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and pick matrox.
20:54.49_rene_greycat: ^
20:55.05tak_jsm: yeah, is there a copy method that ignores bad blocks?
20:55.05_rene_always those false friends ;-(
20:55.10ribnitzgreycat: sorry. must learnj how to scroll..
20:55.10dnbsomeone send spammail from my machine
20:55.20dnbi'm using /etc/init.d/exim4 stop
20:55.24dnbbut it's continue
20:55.24jsmtak_: i had the same problem you did, but i was able to copy the data off normally
20:55.34tak_jsm: let me try mounting /dev/hdb manually
20:55.41Deep6anyone know much about IO-Wait?
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20:55.53pzngreycat, stew, ribnitz: all I need to do was install package loop-aes-utils. it comes with a patched version of losetup. worked!
20:55.54greycatdpkg, matrox =~ s/cought/cough/
20:55.54dpkggreycat: OK
20:55.55DerJamsterdnb: did you reboot by chance? Because exim will be running again after a reboot
20:55.57jsmtak_: ok
20:56.00DerJamsteritom_: yo
20:56.18dnbhm
20:56.20dnbokay
20:56.23FabParmaresiak-->  matrox is not listed in my " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" output
20:56.26ribnitzdnb: There's an exim4 for carriers or so howto. basically exim4-daemon-heavy+spamassassin+clamav+really restrictive rules.
20:56.32itom_DerJamster, I found the "problem" of zope
20:56.34DerJamsterdnb: did you? Or didn't you?
20:56.39DerJamsteritom_: what was it?
20:56.40abrotmanFabParma: mga
20:56.47dnbi'll now
20:56.59FabParmaabrotman-->  thank you
20:57.00dnbi didn't
20:57.02DerJamsterdnb: I think you're misunderstanding me :)
20:57.05DerJamsterDon't reboot.
20:57.06itom_DerJamster, incredible.. I try to set zope that hear at port 80 (with apache stopped) and works
20:57.19DerJamsteritom_: so something's still blocking the zope port.
20:57.31ribnitzdnb: requiring a valid reverse dns, plususing (several) dns blacklistst cut the spam here by 90%
20:57.35itom_DerJamster, I try to set apache to listen at port 9673 or 150 or 200 and don't work
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20:57.48itom_DerJamster, only port 80 seems to work for http request
20:57.56DerJamsteritom_: yes.
20:57.56FieldySnutsoh no, ibm clones
20:57.56FabParmaabrotman-->  ive seen  "mga" but i dont knew wath it was,  thank you again
20:58.02DerJamsterPort 80 doesn't get blocked.
20:58.06peterSI think #debian should have a policy, only one deadsmith allowed at a time (:
20:58.08abrotman!mga
20:58.08dpkghmm... mga is Matrox drivers are at http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/linux_09.cfm. Download and copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
20:58.09DerJamsterthe other ports are getting blocked.
20:58.24itom_DerJamster, I think soo
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20:58.32ribnitzFabParma: some graphics standard, roughly around vga
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20:59.59tak_jsm: i can't even do 'ls' without getting a bunch of disk errors
21:00.25tak_jsm: is there a way to just copy everything that is readable to hda while ignoring bad sectors/errors ?
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21:00.41ribnitztak_: nope.
21:00.42Delphdd with a couple of options?
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21:01.14Delphyeah, "noerror"
21:01.15ribnitzDelph: that probably wouldnt get anything useful if gemetries differ?
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21:01.39Delphribnitz: uhhm, we want to move the data off of one disk onto another asap.
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21:01.54Delphso dd it from the disk into a file on a clean, safe disk
21:02.01Delphthen have a go at the file with whatever tools you want.
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21:02.23netichi there. why does this line (cat file | read xx | echo ${xx}) wont show the first line of 'file' since this line (cat file | while read xx; do echo ${xx} ; done;) shows all of them?
21:02.31Delphcan't you mount such filing-system-inna-file's as a loopback device or something?
21:02.34d0tIF YOU HAVENT SEEN IT - INSTALL 'TDFSB'
21:02.36ribnitzDelph: in other words, unless you copied it to a file you needed to copy back to a similar drive, itr wouldn't be usable?
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21:02.42d0tThe coolest 3d file browser I have ever seen!!!!
21:02.50bwbettinHow do you scroll through the list of processes in the 'top' program?  It's running in my terminal, and there's too many to see at once.  The way it runs, there are no scroll bars :/
21:02.52greycatnetic: because the right hand side of the pipeline doesn't have the variable ${xx} that's set in the left hand side of the pipe.
21:03.15greycatnetic: parts of a pipeline are run *simultaneously* in *different contexts*.
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21:03.51greycatNow, the *really* interesting question is why "cat file | read xx; echo ${xx}" doesn't work.  I explain that one in #bash at least twice a week.
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21:03.53seberinowhy shared objects (SOs) have multiple versions with different numerical suffixes??? e.g. foo.so, foo.so.1, foo.so.2?
21:04.01peterSgreycat: heh
21:04.17neticgreycat: aha, understood. thanks
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21:04.21tak_what dd command would I use?
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21:04.25orjanI followed the link from dpkg nvidia debs and found only apt aources lines to unstable...iirc there used to be info for testing as well?
21:04.30jsmisn't a box only supposed to use swap when there is no physical mem free?  and once there is physical memory free, it moves it out of swap and back into RAM?
21:04.44ribnitzDelph: partimage, ddrescue might do the trick though.
21:04.51greycatjsm: some kernels swap more aggressively than others
21:05.12stewjsm: it may leave it in swap until its actually needed so that it can use the free real memory for disk caching
21:05.19greycatand no, it won't move things out of swap back into RAM until they're really *needed*
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21:05.48ribnitzjsm: thats page alocation policy and can be specified. And swap wont be swapped in when its not needed, usually.
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21:06.03lucianohi!!!!!!!!
21:06.09Lord-Cereburus*wrong button
21:06.10ribnitzhi
21:06.13Lord-Cereburushi
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21:06.27sepskiorjan, you dont need debs, just use the nevidia howto  try /msg dpkg nvidia howto for installing nvidia the debian way
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21:06.41tak_does dd work recursively on directories?
21:06.43lucianoI need a Debian precompileded kernel that suport 8GB de RAM
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21:06.49greycattak_: no
21:06.49lucianoany ideas?
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21:06.56resiakluciano: You may wish to build your own in any case.
21:06.58dvsluciano: impossible
21:07.02lavamindhey does kernel-image-2.6.8-1 include the software suspend patch??
21:07.05tak_i have to use dd file by file?
21:07.05luciano:(
21:07.10ribnitztak_: it basically mirrors the partition into a file, but partimage will porbably do a better job of that.
21:07.12Randallluciano: amd64 doesn't by default?
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21:07.18orjansepski I just read the nvidia debs..no info on testing..has it moved
21:07.18resiaktak_: I'd dd the entire drive, then mount it with a loopback.
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21:07.33lucianoRa1stlin, I have a Xeon .. 32bits
21:07.45lucianoRa1stlin, will amd64 work?
21:07.56ribnitzluciano: nope.
21:07.59resiakluciano: Erm, no.
21:08.01tak_if=file    Input filename
21:08.10tak_can i specify an entire drive instead of a filename?
21:08.12Randallluciano: Is it em64t or whatever?
21:08.14peterSluciano: amd64 is for 64-bit machines.  recent intel chips with the xeon brand have 64-bit extensions, but most do not
21:08.20resiaktak_: Yes. Everything on *n?x is a file.
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21:08.28lucianoall: thx!
21:08.30lucianosee you!
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21:08.35peterSresiak: except network interfaces, in the case of Linux (:
21:08.39jetscreamerhow do i install and configure lilo on an hd/box that doesn't have linux
21:08.41ribnitztak_: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/backup/hdb bs=1k
21:08.51resiakpeterS: Heheh.
21:08.53sepskiorjan, i have never used them i have no idea, i just use http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and it have never failed me yet
21:09.02ribnitztak_: and look if it has a -v option, might take a while
21:09.02neticgreycat: sorry, but, is there any way such that two commands on one bash line would be aware of one variable?
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21:09.08peterSresiak: well, even network interfaces on AIX have /dev entries.  just not on Linux.
21:09.15greycatribnitz: I'd seriously doubt the ability to recover any data from a swiss-cheese dd file system image of a failing disk.
21:09.21resiakpeterS: Is there any sane reason why/
21:09.29peterSresiak: why AIX does, or why Linux doesn't?
21:09.31ribnitzgreycat: me too, but they wanted dd.
21:09.32greycatnetic: /j #bash
21:09.34resiakpeterS: The latter.
21:09.42tak_ribnitz: or dd if=/dev/hdb of=/backup/hdb bs=1k conv=ignerror
21:09.47resiakribnitz, greycat: it was I who suggested dd.
21:09.50tak_ribnitz: no verbose option :(
21:10.00peterSresiak: I don't know why Linux doesn't - it seems like it'd be more intuitive for utilities like 'ifconfig' to just open a /dev file and do ioctls on that, rather than whatever it actually does
21:10.06ribnitztak_: install ddrescue or partimage.
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21:10.36orjansepski ok will look
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21:11.00ribnitzpeterS: isnt such known as named pipe?
21:11.15peterSribnitz: huh?  named pipes have nothing to do with network interfaces
21:11.43greycatribnitz: some non-Linux OSes have character devices in /dev for their equivalent of "eth0".
21:11.46ribnitzpeterS: named pipe = "file used for IPC"?
21:11.47greycatribnitz: Linux doesn't.
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21:12.09peterSribnitz: yes, a named pipe, also known as a FIFO, provides one type of IPC on Unix/Linux
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21:12.31peterSribnitz: it's quite specific, not just "any file used for IPC".  for example, socket files are also used for IPC, but they're not FIFOs
21:13.19ribnitzpeterS: tryxing ot fill in my OS knoweldge. sockets are used for rpc.
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21:13.34tak_couldn't find package ddrescue
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21:13.50tak_couldn't find package partimage
21:13.52ribnitztak_: what "version" of debian do you have?
21:13.58peterSribnitz: socket files are the local equivalent of network sockets.  you can do most of the same things with local socket files as with network sockets
21:14.09peterSribnitz: those things include various RPC implementations, yes
21:14.11LinuxNIThow do i find out what the /dev/ location of my parralel port zip drive is?
21:14.17tak_ribnitz: woody
21:14.36ribnitztak_: do you have a thing called "partimage"?
21:14.38greycatLinuxNIT: it's usually a SCSI disk after you modprobe ppa or imm.
21:14.45tak_bash: partimage: command not found
21:14.46greycatLinuxNIT: dmesg | grep sd
21:14.59ribnitztak_: apt-cache search patimage.
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21:15.04peterS!installit
21:15.04dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>.
21:15.16tak_partimage-doc - Partition Image User Documentation
21:15.19tak_no partimage, though.
21:15.38jetscreamer!find partimage
21:15.40dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'partimage' (4 shown): mindi-partimagehack ;; partimage ;; partimage-doc ;; partimage-server.
21:15.42LinuxNITok
21:16.00resiak!info partimage woody
21:16.02dpkgpartimage: (Linux/UNIX utility to save partitions in a compressed image file), section non-US, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-13 (woody), Packaged size: 182 kB, Installed size: 660 kB
21:16.18tak_can someone send me a ddrescue .DEB file for me to install?
21:16.20jetscreamer!info partimage sarge
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21:16.23resiak@lart non-US
21:16.25dpkgpartimage: (Linux/UNIX utility to save partitions in a compressed image file), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 696 kB
21:16.35ribnitztak_: packages.debian.org/partimage, pick the woody one.
21:16.37jetscreamer!find ddrescue
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21:16.39dpkgddrescue: (copies data from one file or block device to another), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
21:17.00jetscreamer!info ddrescue woody
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21:17.14jetscreamer[15.17.07] <dpkg> Package 'ddrescue' does not exist.
21:17.46ribnitztak_: go with partimage then.
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21:18.57LinuxNITthanks greycat i got it
21:18.58FusionpitI've got the netinstall cd (From LordSutch), and I want to know how to start ssh on it
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21:19.11ribnitzFusionpit: you dont.
21:19.11greycatFusionpit: install.  then "apt-get install ssh".
21:19.14rares000anytime I type in a browser form it starts typing backwards
21:19.25rares000and gedit dows it also
21:19.30jewelI have installed apache2 and php4, I've added 'AddType application/x-httpd-php .php' but Mozilla always prompts me to download the .php file when I access it
21:20.02ribnitzjewel: a) use apache1 b) ask #apache or #php
21:20.36cafuegojewel: Enable the module.
21:20.42cafuegojewel: 'sudo a2enmod'
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21:23.26mr_obbI have just installed and unpacked kernel-source and a module. I now want to use "make-kpkg modules_image", but I get an enormous amount of errors. Do I need to set a conf file somewhere first or something
21:23.44dvsmr_obb: yes,
21:24.01dvsmr_obb: you can do "make menuconfig" to configure it from scratch
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21:25.00mr_obbdvs: Can I also get some standard config file, as I also used a standard debian kernel?
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21:25.18dvsmr_obb: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config
21:25.57greycatmr_obb: but make sure they're relatively compatible with each other.  E.g. don't use a debian 2.2.20-idepci config in a 2.4.28 tree.
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21:28.44greycatFDIV just made it spit out slightly wrong answers to some floating point math
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21:28.50greycatdamn keyboard.
21:28.50LinuxNITcan i get my computer to automatically mount the zip drive when i put the disk in like it does the CD rom drive?
21:29.09greycatLinuxNIT: ls /usr/share/doc/autofs
21:29.24mr_obbgreycat: I'm using config-2.6.8-1-k7 in a 2.6.8 tree, so it should work. Just need to find out where to put the .config file :P
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21:29.42LinuxNITit said no such file or directory
21:29.46greycatmr_obb: I hope you have a 2.6.8 DEBIAN tree.
21:30.04greycatmr_obb:  and the .config goes in the root of the source tree, of course.
21:30.29greycatnote also that the 2.6.8 *config processes will actually try to use the existing kernel config if possible...
21:30.33greycatyour results may vary.
21:31.10aokazeI am useing pon to connect to internet and I am wondering what command I use to find out what speed I am connected at
21:31.36greycataokaze: you transfer data and time it.
21:31.55greycataokaze: btdownloadcurses, for example, is great at it.
21:32.04cafuegoaokaze: it will be in your syslog, provided you used the init string that tells the modem to report its speed (and provided it reports the correct speed)
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21:32.13greycatmodem?  *cough*
21:32.37greycatcafuego: I'm assuming, until demonstrated otherwise, that he has an ADSL connection and not a modem.
21:32.52greycatmostly because I want modems to go away, forever.
21:32.56cafuegogreycat: it might even be a vpn!
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21:33.05greycatcafuego: I doubt that ;-)
21:33.08cafuegomodems are great when there's no open WiFi network
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21:33.37cafuego.. and some bastards indeed don't share their wireless links
21:34.01mr_obbgreycat: the .config file is in the /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 directory. The module is in /usr/src/modules. When I am in the source tree root and type make-kpkg modules_image it still gives a massive amount of errors. He's complaining about unused variables and undeclared variables
21:34.32greycatmr_obb: are you sure this module supports 2.6.x kernels?
21:34.58cafuegowhat module?
21:35.19mr_obbgot it from: http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/
21:35.36mr_obbIt is a unichrome DRM module
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21:36.18greycat!via x driver day
21:36.18dpkg[via x driver day] 2005-01-14
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21:36.55cafuegoThe 2.6 kernel patches are under "gryle patches".
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21:37.09ribnitzAnyone here able to help me with the enigmail mozilla tb module?
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21:38.30buckymr_obb, it shows on the "build the drm module manually" how to build it "run at least make dep on your kernel tree" and "change to the drm/linux-2.6 directory"
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21:40.02cyberlokdoes anyone know a system I could use or howto to read that would help in trying to impliment a http proxy and a http server both on port 80?
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21:40.45ribnitzcyberlok: squid on port 80, instead of 3128
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21:41.30mr_obbbucky: when I use "make dep" it says: "Warning: make dep is unnecesary now!"
21:41.48buckycyberlok, http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/FAQ/FAQ-15.html
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21:42.04peterSmr_obb: it's right.  make dep in Linux 2.6 kernel trees is obsolete
21:42.10buckymr_obb, oh that's right ... 2.6 doesn
21:42.31LinuxNITcan you use the same cources.list on multiple architechtures
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21:43.18ribnitzLinuxNIT: yep
21:43.22buckymr_obb, modules like to be built against a compiled kernel tree.. i'd build a new kernel and install it just to get started
21:43.38LinuxNITcool
21:43.40LinuxNITthanks
21:43.48Cybodoglooking for sources.list for xorg, got any?  Non listed in apt-get.org but the linux.system one and they are down and staying that way.
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21:44.32buckymr_obb, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian
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21:45.00valdynCybodog: they are not down
21:45.13Cybodogvaldyn not?
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21:45.37FusionpitI have an IBM ether jet Pci management adapter, what driver should I use?
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21:45.58Cybodogvaldyn:  Due expanded international download traffic the costs exploded.
21:45.58CybodogI am very sorry :-(
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21:46.47valdynCybodog: they're not down from here, maybe international access is blocked, i wouldnt notice that
21:46.58cavediverHi guys. I need to know how to change exim4 from using singe-config to the debian-split-conf. I must have missed that option during instal. Must use some old config files.
21:47.00Cybodogvaldyn ahhh
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21:47.08tak_where can i get a list of debian sources?
21:47.24Cybodogtak_ apt-get.org
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21:47.31ribnitzFusionpit: use "discover"?
21:47.33cavediverapt-setup
21:47.34Cybodogtak_ for unoffical sources
21:47.37cavediverah ok
21:47.44tak_just the base sources
21:47.57tak_the mirror i had in sources.list is unavailable now
21:48.06mr_obbbucky: make menuconfig gives exactly the same errors as make-pkpg modules_image.
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21:48.15cavediverjust run apt-setup to add another source
21:48.30Fusionpitribnitz: i'm in the menu setup right now
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21:48.57buckymr_obb, follow that doc ^^
21:49.01ribnitzFusionpit: then dont worry, it will be recognised.
21:49.02tak_how can I get ddrescue?
21:49.15tak_i added a new source, and did apt-get update, but it still can't find package ddrescue
21:49.25tak_Get:1 http://debian.uchicago.edu stable/main Packages [1773kB]
21:49.28ribnitztak_: use partimage.
21:49.32tak_E: Couldn't find package ddrescue
21:49.40tak_same thing, i can't find package partimage
21:49.58tak_what is wrong?
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21:50.09ribnitztak_: http://packages.debian.org/partimage, pick the woody one.
21:50.12cavedivertak_: what debian-version are you using ?
21:50.16GillyGalWhen I do a 'startx' it returns a fatal server error - no screens found.  The only (EE) found in the log was: (EE) No devices detected.  any idea?
21:50.19ribnitzcavediver: woody
21:50.22tak_stable
21:50.27valdyntak_: part image is in non-US so you might need to add a line for that
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21:50.53tak_how do I add non-US sources?
21:50.59cavediverribnitz: i use woody to. there is no ddrescue. at least no hit on apt-cache
21:51.15tak_this is so confusing
21:51.27ribnitzcavediver: its in sid only.
21:51.38paulswmnot just sid: ddrescue is certainly in sarge
21:51.43cavediverthat's your explanaition right there :=)
21:51.43ribnitzcavediver: hence I told him to use partimage.
21:51.51cavediveri understand
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21:52.04tak_does partimage work on a disk that has a LOT Of bad blocks?
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21:52.10ribnitz!info ddrescue sarge
21:52.11cavediverpartimage should be there yes.
21:52.22dpkgddrescue: (copies data from one file or block device to another), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.10-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 76 kB
21:52.29valdyn!tell gillygal about noscreensfound
21:52.31tak_I like ddrescue because it seems to be designed for a rescue operation where i have so many bad blocks on a failing hard drive
21:52.39tak_Why can't I install ddrescue?
21:52.54ribnitztak_: you dont have sarge?
21:53.01tak_sarge? no i have woody
21:53.07ribnitztak_: see.
21:53.21mr_obbbucky: Thanks. I hadn't installed all the necessary packages. Now I have and it works.
21:53.26GillyGalvaldyn....  I tried that... and there wasn't even a framebuffer question anyway.
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21:53.53ribnitzcavediver: help me convince him he does not want to upgrade ot sarge to install ddrescue.
21:54.20tak_what should I do?
21:54.28valdynGillyGal: whats your gfx card, which driver are you trying to use? which debian release are you using?
21:54.35cavedivertak_: You don't want to upgrade to sarge just for the case of one missing package :)
21:54.37tak_i don't need this debian after i copy my files over, im going to reinstall from scratch
21:54.41leahparhello
21:54.52tak_but i need ddrescue just to get my files
21:54.53cavedivertak_: What's the machine for. A server ?
21:55.00tak_it used to be a server, yes
21:55.04cavediverI see.
21:55.05tak_but now it's completely dysfunctional
21:55.07ribnitztak_: so use partimage to make an image of the partition..
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21:55.15tak_does partimage work on bad blocks?
21:55.25leahparthere's a little issue over there and i need help
21:55.27ribnitztak_: has such options, yes.
21:55.31tak_all of the programs i used so far fail whenever therei s a bad block and can't recover
21:55.43leahparI use to change the ize of the window with the mouse + ALT
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21:56.04leahparbut since a couple of day, it doesn't work anymore ...
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21:56.07GillyGalvaldyn a Matrox G400, the Savage driver, and it's woody
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21:56.40valdyn!matrox
21:56.41dpkghmm... matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufactures, *cough*nVidia*cough*......
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21:56.49valdyn!mga
21:56.50dpkg[mga] Matrox drivers are at http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/linux_09.cfm. Download and copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
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21:57.20valdynGillyGal: try that, i dont know anything about it though
21:57.24GillyGalok
21:57.57ribnitztak_: no, no options for ignoring bad blocks. No backup at all?
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21:58.38pipelinetak_: Uh, bad blocks are *bad*
21:58.52pipelinetak_: Programs used to ignore bad blocks because in the 80's, bad blocks were a common occurrence
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21:59.15pipelinetak_: nowadays, modern firmware conceals all of that stuff.  It detects bad blocks and marks them as such, replacing them with spares.
21:59.16abrotmanin the 80s?
21:59.25abrotmani think until about 95 or so
21:59.38pipelinetak_: If your software tools can see bad blocks, it means your hard drives have already exhausted their spares.
21:59.47pipelineEh, I have SCSI drives from the early 90's with zero bad blocks, which I find inconceivable.
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22:00.14tak_so I can't copy my files over?
22:00.22tak_even though I can see them when I type 'ls' ?
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22:00.36ribnitzpipeline: We are taslking about driveseeknotcomplete errors.
22:00.38asuffieldtak_: you can see directory entries. that's not the same thing as being able to access the files themselves
22:00.43tak_ok
22:00.57tak_but i can't even -attempt- to copy whatever files I can? is ALL of the data unrecoverable?
22:01.09tak_im not trying to do magic, i just want to get what i can
22:01.15kbrookstak_: unmount the partition first
22:01.25kbrooksdo not write to the partition
22:01.30tak_i mounted it read-only
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22:01.35tak_mount -r /dev/hdb /mnt
22:01.39asuffieldtak_: you could make an image of the filesystem using dd, to a device that actually works, then run fsck. that'll recover any files that aren't actually dead yet. it won't do anything for the ones which have been eaten
22:01.53tak_asuffield: i would be MORE than HAPPY with that much
22:01.54jethrohi
22:02.00tak_asuffield: i can't figure out how to do that, though
22:02.10asuffieldjust use dd to make an image, then fsck it...
22:02.18asuffieldwhether or not that's any use depends on how many bad blocks there are and what files they're in
22:02.27ribnitztak_: fsck -y on the unmounted culprit
22:02.33peterSnote, with dd you will want conv=noerror
22:02.34tak_i tried dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hdc bs=1k noerrors
22:02.38asuffieldribnitz: running fsck on a dead drive doesn't normally work
22:02.42peterStak_: conv=noerror
22:02.43asuffieldribnitz: it tends to cough and die
22:02.46tak_ok
22:02.54asuffieldyou have to let dd fill them with garbage, so that fsck can discard it
22:02.57tak_i'll try the dd and fsck thing
22:03.00ribnitzasuffield: what options do you suggest, then?
22:03.16GillyGalwhat is the full path to the X11R6 directory?
22:03.26ribnitzGillyGal: which?
22:03.28peterSGillyGal: /usr/X11R6
22:03.32valdyn!mga
22:03.32dpkgwell, mga is Matrox drivers are at http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/linux_09.cfm. Download and copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers
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22:03.57GillyGalok
22:04.10GillyGalbah..
22:04.20ribnitztak_: go after what asuffield says, he is more skilled than me.
22:04.29GillyGalThe drivers included in this installation package do not support this version of XFree86. Exiting
22:04.53GillyGalall I want is a desktop under woody. geez
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22:04.59ribnitzGillyGal: try with the "Vesa" driver, if nothing else works.
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22:05.24GillyGalok
22:06.03ribnitzGillyGal: all current gfx cards should be able to do it. Nothing optimised, but workable 2D.
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22:07.36GillyGalMmm guess I'll swap the card then.
22:08.04GillyGalVesa didn't wotk
22:08.31meffwhat package is the application 'xv' in? i've searched packages.debian.org, apt-cache search and a dkpg -S
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22:09.44zhrekHi! Do you know any networked clipboard ?
22:09.45zetabugdoes kernel-source-2.6.10-3 include patched for the recent "local user root exploits" (userlib?)
22:09.46peterSmeff: xv is not free software
22:09.50peterSmeff: as such, it's not in Debian
22:10.08peterSzetabug: probably.  check the changelog at packages.qa.debian.org
22:10.57mcdonaldswesdoes anybody know of a device to wipe data off a hard drive? (not a software solution)
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22:11.17zetabugmcdonaldswes: 50 calibre
22:11.44mcdonaldsweszetabug: is that a joke, or is that really the name of a product? :)
22:11.50zetabuga joke
22:12.21mcdonaldswessomeone else suggested a microwave :)
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22:13.45GillyGalVesa I swapped in an Abit Siluro G4 MX 64MB but don't see it on the listing of cards.... any idea?
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22:15.04meffpeterS: is there a free app that works similarly to xv? i have an app that's trying to call it..
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22:15.23peterSmeff: there are many free image viewers.  xv is more powerful than most, if not all, of them
22:15.41justingqview is nice
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22:16.13valdynGillyGal: google knows!
22:16.16pixelmonkeyI am trying to understand how sudo works, but don't quite get it.  Right now, my sudo is configured such that as a normal user I can sudo <cmd> and enter the NORMAL USER'S pw, and can run that command as root.  Isn't this insecure?  What did I do to allow this?
22:16.24abrotman!sudo
22:16.24dpkgrumour has it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
22:16.34meffyah i use gqview, however im looking for an app that acts like xv so this program thats trying to call it will work if i make a ln or whatnot.
22:16.46lakupuuI thought it was SuperUser ;)
22:17.07N-MANhello
22:17.08N-MAN:)
22:17.18skyisbluemeff: try to search in freshmeat.net or sf.net many many
22:17.28peterSmeff: if you really want xv, you might poke around archive.debian.org (well, mirrors thereof - check google) for the non-free section of older debian releases
22:17.44pixelmonkeyabrotman: thanks, I'll check that article
22:17.52meffpeterS: nah its not that important.. thanks though :)
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22:18.09GillyGalbah.. no it doesn't.
22:19.00valdynGillyGal: try nv
22:20.41GillyGalsame thing
22:20.44pixelmonkeywhat is the conceptual benefit from having sudo setup with "pixelmonkey ALL=(ALL) ALL" to allow pixelmonkey to run any command as root if he authorizes himself, as opposed to using su, becoming root, and running the commands?  And, even more fine-grained, why have the password be the USER's rather than the ROOT's pw (as in the runaspw option)
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22:21.18cavediverHm. I've removed exim and got this when trying to install postfix. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
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22:21.26neeneeevening
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22:21.54Randallpixelmonkey: Being root is Bad, because you can make serious mistakes.
22:22.08Randallsudo makes you a little more thoughtful
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22:22.33pixelmonkeyRandall: well, I am careful, I generally su for short periods of time and then exit
22:22.35justinpixelmonkey: uh, because you can put other things instead of ALL
22:22.39skyisbluecavediver: try to get familiar with "aptitude" , that's what i did
22:22.44tbbwhello :) anyone know the name of the module handeling --dport arg in iptables?
22:22.49idnarpixelmonkey: there's less of a temptation to spawn actual root shells as opposed to just running individual commands with sudo
22:22.53pixelmonkeyjustin: right, but I'm talking a single-user machine
22:22.54Randallpixel: It's still safer not to be root.
22:23.24RandallOS X doesn't have root enabled
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22:23.30DerJamstertbbw: should be the the normal tcp module
22:23.40valdynGillyGal: what does "grep nv /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" say?
22:24.01tbbwDerJamster: hmm... ill look :P
22:24.19GillyGalvaldyn  driver "nv"
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22:24.37DerJamstertbbw: iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 4 -j DROP <- just test it with that.
22:24.50tmkright now im only in a console so i'm having trouble finding this out with google -- what command should i type to upgrade to the newest 2.6 kernel?
22:24.53DerJamsterIt really should work unless you have a weird iptables setup.
22:25.07leecan anybody suggest where to go for linux gaming related questions?
22:25.10RandallI can't believe I'm out of twist ties.
22:25.10Netcraftbye
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22:25.40leesuch as, what the fuck am I supposed to do with a .exe bonus pack file for UT2004 under linux ...
22:25.40Randalllee: Are they really game-related, or things like making your hardware work?
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22:26.02Randalllee: You probably have to run it under wine to install.
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22:26.20tmkRandall: ..ut2004 is "native" for linux
22:26.33DerJamsterlee: there is no .zip version or the like?
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22:26.43Randalltmk: Then I'm sure he can just run the bonus pack .exe file.
22:26.55neeneeyou can just unzip the exe bonuspack
22:27.03leeDerJamster: nope
22:27.09tmkright now im only in a console so i'm having trouble finding this out with google -- what command should i type to upgrade to the newest 2.6 kernel?
22:27.12neeneelee: just unzip it
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22:27.16neeneelee: rename it if you have to.
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22:27.19serjdf
22:27.21leeneenee: ok, I'll try that, ta
22:27.24skyisbluetmk: aptitude and type "u" and type "/" and type "kernel-image.2.6.10" and "+" "g" "g"
22:27.25serjhey my gcc here just fails to resolve the size of most structs for my kernel althrough it's compiled with gcc-3 what can i do to make it work
22:27.25DerJamsteryeah, probably a self-extracting zip.
22:27.25neeneelee: :)
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22:27.50serji have a lots of errors in the headers
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22:27.57RandallYou can usually unzip a self-extracting zip anyway.  It might be another archival format.
22:28.02dracwhat was the command to generate .iso files from e.g. terminal? something file1 file2 file3 ..
22:28.03Randalltry rar or something
22:28.08cavediverskyisblue: aptitude? so I have to install X on my server? No-way :)
22:28.13alfatauhi, i've just installed sarge from network, but i can't login from kdm as root: root login not allowed. any idea?
22:28.19Guerindrac: mkisofs
22:28.24dracthanks
22:28.25tmkskyisblue: thanks
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22:28.27cavediveryes. Don't use X as root :=)
22:28.27tbbwDerJamster: iptables v1.2.6a: Unknown arg `--dport'
22:28.28neeneerandall: he can unzip it.
22:28.29Guerinalfatau: don't login as root
22:28.30Randallalfa: Don't login as root.
22:28.37skyisbluecavediver: aptitude is console tool.
22:28.38RandallWho said that?
22:28.42neeneerandall: i did
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22:28.46alfatauGuerin: i need to login as root
22:28.47skyisbluetmk: yaw
22:28.55tmkuse su
22:28.57cavediverskyisblue: it is? Oh my mistake. Sorry
22:28.59Guerinalfatau: no, you fucking do not.
22:29.23alfatauGuerin: elsewhere i wouldn't have asked it
22:29.32alfatauGuerin: u r a gentleman
22:29.32skyisbluecavediver: np :)
22:29.32tbbwGuerin: rofl
22:29.33Guerinalfatau: there is never a reason to run X as root. Never. Under no circumstances. Ever.
22:29.39RandallIf you can't figure out how to login as root, you definitely don't need to do it.
22:29.43Guerinalfatau: fuckin' A I am.
22:29.59GillyGalvaldyn no more suggestions?
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22:30.15valdynGillyGal: 1. install sarge
22:30.21cavediverWhy do you even want run X as root +
22:30.30tmkalfatau: basically always run everything as user and only when you absolutely have to, use sudo or su to do one thing you need to do as root, then 'exit'
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22:30.45alfatauGuerin: <there is never a reason to run X as root> -> i have a reason, even if u haven't
22:30.49RandallAnd pray to RMS afterwards.
22:30.57tbbwi can do with svgalib and the console
22:31.04tmkalfatau: what's your reason to run X as root?
22:31.05Guerinalfatau: no, you don't. You might think you do, but I can assure you it is invalid.
22:31.06valdynGillyGal: /msg dpkg d-i if you want to do that, XFree86 hardware support in sarge is alot better
22:31.07Randalltbbw: directfb any good?
22:31.24DerJamstertbbw: Very very strange that it's not finding --dport..
22:31.25skyisbluetbbw: http://directfb.org
22:31.48netichi there. why doesnt this show the first line of the 'file'? cat file | read xx ;  echo ${xx}
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22:31.57tbbwRandall: ty :)
22:31.59skyisbluetbbw: also see http://www.geexbox.org both are non-X11
22:32.17tbbwok ok :) im just here coz of iptables probs :)
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22:32.21Guerintbbw: managed to get GTK+ built for directfb?
22:32.29alfatauGuerin: no loss of time = valid reason
22:32.43justinnetic: that is what head is for.
22:32.56tbbwGuerin: have not goten that far yet
22:33.09tmkexit
22:33.20tbbwgonna add some drop rules for my comp in iptables
22:33.23LanKuchanone of the script run at boot by init.d screwed my startup so i cannot log in at all. how to recover? i need to at least ran the init-rc.d remove or rm the offending script file in init.d
22:33.34alfatauGuerin: need to be fast = another valid reason
22:33.45valdynnetic: why dont you use head?
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22:34.06tbbwLanKuchan: knoppix is good for editing /etc/ with :) boot the comp and mount and edit :)
22:34.33Guerinalfatau: neither valid, since it's almost certainly faster to do what you need to do from a plain shell.
22:34.41neticjustin valdyn: yes. but i dont really need it for anything specific. im just learning this stuff and would like to know why it's not working to understand it
22:34.47alfatautmk: need to be fast to do some only-root coinfiguration works
22:34.53Guerinalfatau: anyway
22:34.57Guerin!wayttd alfatau
22:34.58dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, alfatau?
22:35.17Guerinyou've got about 3 minutes before I catch my bus; be swift.
22:35.18justinnetic: works in zsh :-)
22:35.19valdynnetic: though echo runs after read, ${xx} isnt evaluated after read, thats my guess
22:35.19LanKuchantbbw: very well, i'll try that.
22:35.32tbbwLanKuchan: www.knoppix.org
22:35.42justinnetic: cat /etc/motd | (read line ; echo $line) works in bash, must be how it does pipes
22:35.59tbbwLanKuchan: download iso , burn to a cd and then boot the comp of the cd then ur rocking ;)
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22:36.08lakupuu:D
22:36.20skyisbluetbbw: links -g is graphical web-browser in console.
22:36.22Guerintbbw: I tried to build GDK+ for framebuffer for about a week - upstream won't configure; the debian package is broken; various other things are munged. It was a nightmare. If you manage it, document :)
22:36.27alfatauGuerin: i like having more than a shell opened into an x server, and i dislike be obliged to insert everytime a 12 alphanumeric chars as root password
22:36.30neticjustin valdyn: aha. thanks
22:36.39Guerinalfatau: man sudo
22:36.51alfatauGuerin: more faster login as root
22:36.54KerrI get 'Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing' on a new sarge installation when i do most stuff.,, anyone know how i can fix that?
22:36.57tbbwGuerin: i will :)
22:36.57LanKuchantbbw: got it, burned it sometime ago. but not always work on some machine, i'll booting with knoppix now. cross my finger
22:37.13Guerinalfatau: and I dislike having your pwn3d boxen sending me spam every day, which is what happens when people run X as root.
22:37.40tbbwLanKuchan: just dont cross em to much or you'r gonna break them
22:37.44tbbw;)
22:37.46Guerinalfatau: you can run individual X apps as root on a non-root X server is need be
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22:38.27MadAhello everyone
22:38.32Lambowhere can one put shell command scripts when debian restarts to start programs automatically?
22:38.34tbbwLanKuchan just boot it with parm "2" in the boot menu and it will skip that heavy kde
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22:38.52tbbwLanKuchan: knoppix 2 ( i think )
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22:39.39Guerinrighto
22:39.49Guerinalfatau: my bus is leaving; good luck.
22:39.59MadAi just did a new installation of sarge on an old machine with on-board graphics, so i went with vesa as my X driver ... well, now i am having sync problems, even thought debian auto detected my monitor and had no trouble at all with it ... i was woundering if there is a configuration tool that i can use or a file i must edit to remedy this problem? (i am very confident it is running Xorg)
22:40.20skyisblue!drxx
22:40.21dpkghmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
22:40.23bogonLambo: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit
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22:40.28alfatauGuerin: gnight, but u've not replied to my question
22:40.30MadAany ideas?
22:40.36LanKuchantbbw: i just boot the knoppix 3.3 -- failed
22:40.44skyisblueMadA: drxx
22:40.46LanKuchanhow can i get knoppix 2?
22:40.52MadAskyisblue: thanx
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22:41.07skyisbluenp
22:41.16MadAskyisblue: command not found
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22:41.24MadAskyisblue: do i need to apt-get it?
22:41.26tbbwLanKuchan: hmm dont know look at knoppix.org if its not there try google
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22:41.45skyisblueMadA: run it as root?
22:42.01MadAskyisblue: i am root
22:42.04LanKuchanlast time i check the lasted version only available.. 3.x n up
22:42.07tbbwLanKuchan: or try google for: Linux Livecd
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22:42.19tbbwLanKuchan: or: Linux Live Cd
22:42.52skyisblueMadA: apt-get install dpkg
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22:42.56tbbwLanKuchan: knoppix is not the only livecd on the net :)
22:43.19LanKuchanit's ok tbbw, i got some LEAF Bering diskette -- let's see if i can mount and edit
22:43.20ZylogueI have run into a problem installing debian via the internetl  I am getting no pubkey errors on several of the download sites when using apt-get update or aptitude update.  please advise
22:43.24tbbwdpkg: u got highlight on you´r nick? ;) ( had to ask )
22:43.24dpkgwish i knew, tbbw
22:43.25MadAskyisblue: already have it and it's updated
22:43.52tbbwah bot lol
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22:44.15skyisblueMadA: type dpkg[Tab]
22:44.23Pepihi
22:44.24Kerri get 'Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.' after i apt-get install anything. How can i fix that?
22:44.37MadAskyisblue: just got beeped at
22:44.57Pepican anyone help me with kernel compilation (2.6.8)
22:44.59Pepi??
22:45.05skyisblueMadA: wait sec
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22:45.13MadAskyisblue: okie
22:45.38Eagle101Does anyone know where i can download this font "FONT    -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO8859-1" i need that font to fix my X server problem
22:45.56skyisblueMadA: apt-get install dselect
22:45.59MadAquite the font file
22:46.12simonrvnEagle101: xfonts-fixed IIRC
22:46.21MadAskyisblue: already have that one too, and it's up to date
22:46.31simonrvnxfonts-base maybe
22:47.20skyisblueMadA: apt-get install debconf
22:47.22Eagle101simonrvn: Eagle101:~# apt-cache search xfonts-base
22:47.23Eagle101xfonts-base - standard fonts for X
22:47.23Eagle101xfonts-base-transcoded - standard fonts for X (transcoded from ISO 10646-1)
22:47.23Eagle101xserver-common - files and utilities common to all X servers
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22:47.36tbbwhaha
22:47.43simonrvnEagle101: wth did you paste that?
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22:47.53couggghello
22:48.14couggghow to exe Via-rhine without net connection?
22:48.19tbbwpaste an apt search ;) no wonder u guys got strict flood rules ;)
22:48.19skyisblueMadA: apt-get install debconf
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22:48.42MadAskyisblue: have it, newest version
22:48.45Eagle101simonrvn: my fault man
22:48.59tbbwlol
22:49.08skyisbluehave it?
22:49.10LeBearok.  I have an absoluately bizzarre question.  I'm using centericq, and when I get an icq message, all the "u"'s are missing from it.  Has anyone seen that before?
22:49.39neeneenever
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22:49.51neeneeheck, i've never even used centericq :|
22:49.53skyisblueMad
22:50.03skyisblueoops typo
22:50.07tbbwLeBear: LOL! it is bizzarre :D but i have no idea ;D
22:50.11MadAskyisbluehave debconfig installed already and it's up t o date
22:50.17LeBearit's a pretty cool program.. console client that does all the protocols.. it's pretty neat.
22:50.24LeBearbut man.. it's bugging the hell out of me. hehe
22:50.26skyisblueMadA: it can't be..
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22:50.42ribnitzLeBear: problem with setting up your locale perhaps?
22:50.44tbbwLeBear: u got the latest version?
22:50.58MadAskyisblue: if i could show you, i would
22:51.05LeBearribnitz: maybe.. but I'm just using the default locale..
22:51.10LeBearhrmm..
22:51.20LeBeartbbw: I've tried debian stable and I've tried source..
22:51.21skyisblueMadA: "type dpkg-reconfigure"
22:51.25bogonLeBear: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288226
22:51.31skyisbluewhat it say?
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22:52.07MadAskyisblue: please specify a package to reconfigure
22:52.14LeBearWoooot! I'm not crazy
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22:52.47skyisblueMadA: or "whereis dpkg-reconfigure"
22:53.14skyisblue??
22:53.24MadA<PROTECTED>
22:53.50LeBearbogon: Thanks
22:54.11tbbwwell im off guys :) surfs up :P
22:54.18skyisblueMadA: just type "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"
22:54.34cougggmodprobe via-rhine
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22:55.04MadAskyisblue: w00t!!! you are awesome!
22:55.20paulswm@win skyisblue
22:55.22ravenbirdCongratulations, skyisblue! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
22:55.25skyisblueMadA: is it works?
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22:55.36MadAskyisblue: now the question being ... if vesa didn't work ... what is a good generic driver for on-board display?
22:55.38cougggmlodprobe via-rhine doesn't work... help
22:55.52MadAskyisblue: it took me to the config tool i was looking for
22:56.04skyisblueMadA: vesa
22:56.08neeneetry modprobe instead of mlodprobe :P
22:56.11Kerrhow can i see what /dev/hd*'s are real?
22:56.21LeBearPinch them!
22:56.22LeBearhehe
22:56.28cougggneenee lol mistake
22:56.31Kerr:-P
22:56.31neenee:)
22:56.37cougggmodprobe doesn't work
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22:56.51neeneethe module does not exist?
22:56.52MadAskyisblue: vesa is what i have, and it isn't working
22:56.54neeneewhich error do you see
22:57.07cougggi using 2.4.18-bf2.4
22:57.27paulswmKerr: try: sudo sfdisk -l /dev/hd?|grep Disk
22:57.27neeneedid you compile the module?
22:57.27skyisblueMadA: then you have to know the onboard vga model and monitor model.
22:57.31cougggi see insmod via-rhine failed
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22:57.51skyisblueMadA: btw, /msg dpkg mepis
22:58.23couggghow to do
22:58.27cougggi am lost
22:58.27skyisbluecouggg: /msg dpkg mepis
22:58.29MadAskyisblue: huh?
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22:58.36skyisblue!mepis
22:58.36dpkgMEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt.
22:58.48MaRcIo!sid
22:58.48LeBearhrmm.. crap.  4.13.0-2 only comes in deb form.
22:58.49dpkgmethinks sid is the unstable version of Debian.  Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development.  It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story.  Ask me about unstable.  Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.
22:59.02MaRcIo!sarge
22:59.02dpkgTen-HUT!  Fall in!  Sarge is the current testing release code-name.  Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer.
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22:59.11MaRcIo!d-i
22:59.11dpkgit has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer>
22:59.12zetabugI use sid in production :)
22:59.23dracHmm, going to install debian for my 2nd computer now. It has 1gb of DDR400. How big Swap should I make? 2gb? 3gb?
22:59.25caphusoMaRcIo: use /msg, damnit
22:59.37paulswm!abuse MaRcIo
22:59.37FusionpitI am at the prompt to choose the sources for apt-get. However, it does not connect to any mirrors. I can ping both my Linksys router and this computer from it.
22:59.38dpkgMaRcIo: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert!
22:59.39skyisbluemepis -> debian is right order, imho.
22:59.39caphusodrac: use as much as you need
23:00.09draccaphuso: I really don't how much I need, for such amount of memory allready ..
23:00.26LeBearok.. I'm gonna try to get this working.. bbl :)
23:00.29MaRcIopaulswm: speak by urself
23:00.30caphusodrac: and how do you think we could know?
23:00.49draccaphuso: I tough there could be somekind of magic standard?
23:00.54caphusodrac: there isn't
23:01.04dracok, fine then. 2gb it is.
23:01.09skyisblueMadA: if you keep going on debian, then what is your on-board model?
23:01.11cougggcd /msg
23:01.20zhrekI've always use swap size == ramsize.. from solaris..
23:01.35MadAskyisblue: intel 865 or sumthing like that
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23:02.09skyisblueMadA: exactly vendor name?
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23:02.24Eagle101Does anyone use Xnest here?
23:02.37zhrekI wonder if a swapfile under ext3 is bad ?
23:03.26Blissexzhrek: swapfiles are bad anyhow.
23:03.26paulswmdrac: it depends on how you are going to use it:  for instance, if you are going to mount tmpfs on /tmp, and therefore how much /tmp you are likely to use, etc
23:03.27peterSzhrek: I don't think it's bad
23:03.50MadAskyisblue: oh ... it's an old hp
23:03.51paulswmcrap he left
23:03.52couggg[-dflpcsu]
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23:04.10skyisblueok wait min
23:04.22MadAokie
23:04.26markumanhi, is here any channel vor Totem or VLC?
23:05.12KerrI get wrong fs type, when trying to mount my ntfs drive, and unable to detect when i set fstype to auto. How can i fix that?
23:05.14zhrekIf I never maxes out `free` then I guess I can do without swap.
23:05.54ribnitzCan anyone point me to the Andrew File System Homepage? (Technical gore and such)?
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23:06.21FusionpitI am at the prompt to choose the sources for apt-get. However, it does not connect to any mirrors. I can ping both my Linksys router and this computer from it.
23:06.25[GABRI]hello, any people use dansguardian?
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23:07.13paulswmribnitz: ummm... google "andrew file system" ?  :-P
23:07.26dskippyI am trying to build a kernel image. I am getting "VFS: Cannot open root device hda1". I've googled this and the only cause I find is not building the CONFIG_IDE and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE into the kernel (instead of module) I built them into the kernel but still get this problem. Anyone know what else might cause it?
23:07.37dskippyUsing debian 2.4.27 kernel source
23:07.53skyisblueMadA: i have to switch comp(X11 env) wait more min. come back soon, stay.
23:08.03MadAwill do
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23:08.34structhi. i'm installing java by hand and i made symlinks in /usr/local/bin/java to /usr/local/jdk*/bin/java and javac.  for some reason i'm unable to type 'java' or 'javac' at the command line even though /usr/local/bin is in my $PATH.  any suggestions?
23:08.39gurudoes anyone here know anything about apcupsd?
23:08.57caphusostruct: what does "ls -l /usr/local/bin/java" say?
23:08.59paulswmribnitz: I tried that and there's a a bunch of potentially interesting entries
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23:09.39structlrwxrwxrwx  1 root staff 20 2005-01-14 02:57 /usr/local/bin/java -> jdk1.5.0_01/bin/java
23:09.46paulswmdskippy: did you build your filesystem driver into the kernel
23:09.57ribnitzpaulswm: do I see it correctly that AFS is overkill for most small to midsize installs?
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23:09.59caphusostruct: your symlink seems to be broken
23:10.14puffHi, anybody familiar with mailman and apache2 virtual hosts?
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23:10.18FusionpitI am at the prompt to choose the sources for apt-get. However, it does not connect to any mirrors. I can ping both my Linksys router and this computer from it, but I cannot ping outside IPs.
23:10.35puffThe built-in mailman admin pages all come up with links pointing to localhost.localdomain.
23:10.36caphusounless you really installed java into /usr/local/bin/jdk1.5.0_01/, which would be even more broken
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23:10.46paulswmribnitz: I have no idea, I was just being a smartass.  I'm OK with ext3, safest and works OK for me
23:10.57guruwhere are usb devices created with debian sarge on kernel 2.6.8?
23:11.01[GABRI]hello, any people use dansguardian?
23:11.46ribnitzpaulswm: have fun then, nothing against ext3, its just sluggish at times but worx fine
23:12.03ribnitzguru: they aren't.
23:12.17paulswmribnitz: for me, the word is "safe", particularly in Florida with no UPS :)
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23:12.38gururibnitz: i'm trying to set up upcapsd (the apc ups monitor daemon) which is connected to my usb port...
23:12.39ribnitzpaulswm: thats why I moved from XFS to JFS.
23:12.56ribnitzguru: no idea
23:13.17gururibnitz: how do i access a usb device then?
23:13.18ribnitzpaulswm: and we do have an array of upses
23:13.29ribnitzguru: "hotplug"
23:13.48gururibnitz: i am not at all familiar with that aside from knowing what the term means
23:14.30ribnitzguru: basically when you plug it in, the proggy loads the respective driver and creates a /dev entry.
23:14.36guruahh
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23:14.50guruheh, any idea what the /dev entry name would be?
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23:15.23ribnitzguru: depends on the type of usb device, I have only had storage so far (maps to sd..)
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23:15.43gururibnitz: hmm, i see nothing relevant in /dev
23:15.47tbbwgah! anyone got an hammer? or pic of bill gaits i culd threaten my linux comp with?! still get that irritating error iptables v1.2.6a: Unknown arg `--destination-port'
23:16.02ribnitzguru: got hotplug installed
23:16.11gururibnitz: not sure, how would i check? lsmod?
23:16.25ribnitzguru: apt-get install hotplug
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23:16.28gurupci_hotplug            36284  2 shpchp,pciehp
23:16.47guruhotplug is already the newest version.
23:16.48tbbwiptables with no --dport rule sucks...
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23:16.56struct_sorry, disconnected
23:17.08ribnitzguru: then tail syslog, unplug, replug and watch.
23:17.18tbbwstruct_: wb then :)
23:17.22struct_:)(
23:17.28gurutail: cannot open `syslog' for reading: No such file or directory
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23:17.40struct_caphuso: how can i symlink everything in a directory recursively?
23:17.42Jargon_hi all
23:17.45ribnitzguru: (/var/log/syslog)
23:18.03gururibnitz: heh, guess it helps if i try it with the corect user
23:18.11caphusostruct_: what? why?
23:18.19ribnitzguru: definitely.
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23:18.22neeneedoes anyone know of a sed frontend? i need to replace lines with various words in it, but sed takes a lot of typing (or i just haven't discovered how to do it properly)
23:18.23gururibnitz: nothing relevant in there
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23:18.36Jargon_is Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed the latest release?
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23:18.40ribnitzguru: tail -f the thing, then unplug, and replug.
23:18.46puffneenee: Try perl?
23:18.53struct_caphuso: i dunno.  i want to symlink /usr/local/bin/java* to /usr/local/jdk*/bin/java*
23:19.01paulswmribnitz: we have a very large server room with a huge array of UPSes along the wall.  Last year a lighning strike took out the air conditioning to the room.  Servers started shutting down.  But, at least, cleanly.
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23:19.15Bogaurdhi... is anyone using a 2.6 kernel from apt-get with success with a HTB based bandwidth shaper?
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23:19.42caphusostruct_: so,.. if you have a /usr/local/jdk-foo/bin/java and a /usr/local/jdk-bar/bin/java, what would happen?
23:19.57caphusos:,\.:..:
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23:20.02ribnitzpaulswm: we have just 2-3 critical servers connected to untested upses. no one knows what happens if the power goes out.
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23:20.08smohi all
23:20.11gururibnitz: same thing...only this time i got a whole lot more of nothing
23:20.12smoi need help
23:20.19caphuso!tell smo -about ask
23:20.21paulswmribnitz: heh, a lot of folks don't verify backups either
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23:20.40ribnitzpaulswm: I got a tested working backup method.
23:20.40gurusmo: i need help too. mentally, preferablly
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23:20.52tbbwu guys think i culd use a condome on my tp cable and then insert it in my nwcard so i can skip this --dport error? ;)
23:20.55struct_caphuso: i'm confused.  i just want to make symlinks for everything in /usr/local/jdk*/ with one command.
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23:20.56ribnitzpaulswm: its called dirvish (debian package)
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23:21.07paulswmribnitz: I always tell folks, "backups are free, restores cost extra", heh
23:21.10smoproblem to compil alsa driver with new kernel 2.6.8-2-k7-smp
23:21.12LeBearGAhhhh.. I patched up to -2 and it's still doing it.
23:21.14gururibnitz: think i may not have the appropriate usb drivers compiled into my kernel?
23:21.14LeBearstupid program.
23:21.24MrPWhy does apt say that imagemagick is installed, but when I try to envoke it, or do "whereis imagemagick", it doesn't work?
23:21.32ribnitzguru: one of many options
23:21.39guruLeBear: i'm sure the program is thinking the same thing..."stupid human" ;)
23:21.45Vyrus001yo anybody here have java runing on the deb pack version of firefox ?
23:21.57caphusostruct_: you want *what*?
23:22.00ribnitzMrP:  the thing isn't called imagemagic?
23:22.02gururibnitz: could you point me to any documentation about enabling/configuring it on kernel 2.6.8?
23:22.02LeBearguru: I'm not the one removing all the u's from the messages. hehe
23:22.08guruLeBear: heh
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23:22.20caphusostruct_: anything in /usr/local/jdk*? even all the libraries and other files?
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23:22.22struct_caphuso: i want to make symlinks in /usr/local/bin for everything in /usr/local/jdk*/bin/ with a single command if possible
23:22.27MrPribnitz: Nope, imagemagick
23:22.28guruLeBear: maybe /sbin/removemyud is running ;)
23:22.39struct_sorry, i missed the bin/ part
23:22.39skyisblueMadA: are you there?
23:22.44ribnitzguru: ask paulswm, he seems to have some upses connected somehow. I'd guess you need an usb serial driver.
23:22.48skyisbluesorry for late.
23:22.53pepsi_I have a font that starts with "-misc-fixed-medium........". How do I check what xfont package I need for this specific font?
23:22.55MadAskyisblue:
23:23.00ribnitzMrP: "display foo.jpg"
23:23.06gururibnitz: ok, thanks for helping anyway :)
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23:23.07caphusostruct_: again, what happens if you have two files with the same name, one in /usr/local/jdk-foo/bin and the other in /usr/local/jdk-bar/bin?
23:23.08MadAskyisblue: yes, i fixed it ... got the right driver too ... now i am having apt-get issues
23:23.13gurupaulswm: you around?
23:23.15paulswmribnitz: no, not at home, I was talking about work, and I don't admin those servers
23:23.16puff:hms.
23:23.20puffSpeaking of backups...
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23:23.23gurucrap
23:23.23skyisblueMadA: what was the driver?
23:23.27MadAskyisblue: for some reason it says that some of the servers won't respond randomly
23:23.27skyisbluei810
23:23.30MadAskyisblue: i810
23:23.33cigais that possible to diff two variable? I need to know how they differ...
23:23.34MadAyep
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23:23.37struct_caphuso: i only have one /usr/local/jdk-foo/bin, there is no other jdk directory
23:23.40guruand i'm a complete linux usb n00b
23:23.41zhrekWhy does the "scsi subsystem" (dmesg) take care of s-ata disks ?
23:23.41puffAnybody have suggestions on a good backup setup?
23:23.46ribnitzpaulswm: I was also talking about work, and I started to admin the nightmare.
23:23.48MadAskyisblue: i appreciate so much the help :)
23:23.54smo/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7-smp/source: no files in this directory....stop.
23:23.54smomake: *** [compile] Error 2      the source file is there...
23:23.58gurupuff: sure. save everything and save often. save VERY often
23:24.00caphusostruct_: alright. ln -s /usr/local/jdk-foo/bin/java* /usr/local/bin/
23:24.05puffSo far, the best I've come up with is to just buy a few spare 200GB drives and throw them in a separate machine to back stuff up to 'em.
23:24.09puffFor a small home office setup.
23:24.16GillyGalanyone know of a site that allows you to do a Nessus on an IP?
23:24.20ribnitzpaulswm: next thing will be to convince them we need a tape backup that can handle 300GB (uncompressed, on one tape)
23:24.22skyisblueMadA: then change the server.
23:24.30gurupuff: i use archives of dvd's
23:24.33puffribnitz: Do those exist anymore?
23:24.35guruit's much cheaper
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23:24.42guruand requires less space and resources
23:24.44puffguru: Ah... how much can you fit  on a DVD?
23:24.46MadAskyisblue: well, when i type --fix-missing, it self-corrects and works ... it just confuses me that the fixes won't stick
23:24.57gurupuff: depends on the dvd, most typical ones hold 4.7gb
23:25.01puffAnd any recommendations for backup management software?
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23:25.14puffguru:  So I'd need ten of them to hold a typical laptop drive...
23:25.17caphusociga: diff <(echo $var1) <(echo $var2) _might_ work
23:25.17ribnitzpuff: I am looking at (dont ask me how they call them) tapes.
23:25.21skyisblueMadA: use aptitude
23:25.22smowhats this local kernel root exploit in the topic???
23:25.26smoi m on a smp pc
23:25.30struct_caphuso: is it possible for me to install manpages too?
23:25.30MadAskyisblue: what's that do?
23:25.34[GABRI]hello, any people use dansguardian?
23:25.36caphusostruct_: sure
23:25.39gurupuff: write a shell script to run via cron and split the archives into 4.6 gig chunks
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23:25.47skyisblue!aptitude
23:25.47dpkgit has been said that aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas.  http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html
23:25.57ribnitz!dirvish
23:25.58struct_caphuso: where might i find information on accomplishing that?
23:26.03gurupuff: you can also get a little crafty and only backup the changed and new files
23:26.08caphusostruct_: apt-cache search manpages
23:26.23paulswmguru: not ignoring you but you've prolly already seen that I cant help
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23:26.31guruaptitude...is that what apt stands for?
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23:26.36struct_caphuso: i mean manpages specific to java
23:26.41gurupaulswm: thats ok man, but i appreciate the sentiment :)
23:26.51caphusoguru: no. apt stands for Advanced Package Tool
23:26.51paulswm!beer guru
23:26.54gurustruct_: man java?
23:27.01struct_guru: not found
23:27.06ribnitzdpkg, dirvish is a neat little easy-to-use backup script using rsync, apt-get install dirvish to try
23:27.06dpkgokay, ribnitz
23:27.11gurustruct_: java.sun.com?
23:27.13Bogaurdok... im looking at compiling my own kernel
23:27.15gurugoogle?
23:27.19struct_guru: i'm asking how to install them
23:27.23Bogaurdive never done anything of this magnitude before
23:27.24struct_guru: from the java binary
23:27.26caphusojava has useful manpages?
23:27.31struct_yes
23:27.35ribnitz!google dirvish
23:27.38Bogaurdis 2.4.28 considered stable?
23:27.44dpkgGoogle was unable to find any results for dirvish
23:27.54gurucaphuso: ahh, well at any rate apt is *the* best package manager i have ever seen...and i've used a lot of them. the only thing remotely comparable is the ports collection on freebsd
23:28.02paulswmBogaurd: useful link: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html
23:28.03dondelelcaro!scrape google for dirvish
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23:28.09dpkgGoogle says "dirvish" is at http://www.dirvish.org/ or http://www.Google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=related:www.dirvish.org/ or http://www.tierra.dyndns.org:81/cygwin/dirvish/ or http://www.keithl.com/dirvish/FAQ.html or http://www.Google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=related:ilohablog.com/ or http://groovin.tripod.com/sci/dirvish.html [10,500 results]
23:28.12crisenhi, im building a debian package that installs a module but the module name will already exist in the users /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ dir. im trying to use dpkg-divert to override this file but im not sure it should be done this way
23:28.32caphusocrisen: it should
23:28.49criseni want to use /etc/modutils, to say point the absolute path to the module so when update-modules and depmod is ran, it points to my module and not the one that is installed by the kernel package
23:28.55ribnitzdondelelcaro: can you do me a favor and update the dirvish factoid accordingly? ;)
23:28.55caphusoyou wouldn't be able to install the package without diverting the file
23:29.05Bogaurdand... what is the approximate time of a kernel compile?
23:29.07cigacaphuso: thanks.
23:29.08paulswmBogaurd: the link I typed is for 2.6 but there is a 2.4 also at that site, hardly any difference really
23:29.13dondelelcaroribnitz: I've no clue what dirvish actually is
23:29.14gurupaulswm: do i *need* to run the ups daemon on my system? e.g., the ups will function correctly regardless, correct?
23:29.23Bogaurdpaulswm, thanks alot :)
23:29.25crisencaphuso: but dpkg-divert has no way of 'backing' up the kernel module i want to remove, which is what i should be doing
23:29.25dskippypaulswm: Sorry I was AFK fixing the machine. Yes I did build it into the kernel.
23:29.31paulswmguru: I have no idea
23:29.32guruthe way i gather it, all the ups daemon does is shut down your machine if certain rules are matched
23:29.34dskippyThe filesystem and the IDE
23:29.36neeneehm. i accidentally had irssi set on ignore * PUBLICS, so i'll have to ask my question again :|
23:29.38caphusocrisen: what?
23:29.47neeneedoes anyone know of a sed frontend? i need to replace lines with various words in it, but sed takes a lot of typing (or i just haven't discovered how to do it efficiently enough)
23:29.48crisencaphuso: i can either --delete or --rename, and using --rename in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ isnt the right thing to do in this case
23:29.57ribnitzdondelelcaro: basically a cronjob/shellscript calling rsync with specialised parameters.
23:29.58guruneenee: man sed
23:30.02neeneeor any other tool which can replace lines with a specific word/part of a word in it?
23:30.18guruneenee: sed would be your best bet
23:30.19dondelelcaro!dirvish is <reply> Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. See http://www.dirvish.org
23:30.20dpkg...but dirvish is already something else...
23:30.25dondelelcaro!no, dirvish is <reply> Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. See http://www.dirvish.org
23:30.31guruneenee: or you could use php and preg
23:30.32crisencaphuso: am i wrong? renaming a file via dpkg-diver in /lib/modules/`uname -r` wont help me here. depmod will still find it and check it in the depends file
23:30.32neeneeguru: the sed way taked a lot of typing since there are a lot of keywords which have to be matched
23:30.40[GABRI]hello, any people use dansguardian?
23:30.50struct_caphuso: there is a /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_01/man.  how do install what is in there into my man page archive?
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23:31.10ribnitz!dirvish
23:31.10dpkgDirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. See http://www.dirvish.org
23:31.17paulswmBogaurd: it depends,if you are using ccache the first one will be long but subsequent ones will be quicker, a full one for me is I think about 30 mins, with ccache that drops to 12 mins normally on a 1.33 MAD Athlon and ATA100 drives using ext3
23:31.18caphusostruct_: /etc/manpath.config
23:31.20ribnitzdondelelcaro: thanks. :)
23:31.33paulswm*AMD
23:31.49neeneehm. very well. i'll see what i can do.. asking in here almost takes as long as typing it all out i suppose.
23:31.58dondelelcaroribnitz: np... but you're more than welcome to do the same thing yourself...
23:32.00ribnitzpaulswm: there ya go, thats what I currently use for backup.
23:32.19ribnitzdondelelcaro: I havent grokked the full interface yet.
23:32.31Bogaurdpaulswm: ok, ill expect about 4 hours or so on my celeron300 server :D
23:32.34dondelelcaroribnitz: ah... well, /msg dpkg help corrections; will have the information you need for this partr
23:32.55caphusocrisen: i don't understand your problem
23:33.00guruneenee: php -r "preg_replace(array('/foo/', '/bar/', '/baz/'), array('more foo', 'more bar', 'more baz'), file_get_contents('myfile'));'
23:33.11paulswmBogaurd: heh - but the compile is very chatty so you won't have to wonder if it's doing anything
23:33.20caphusocrisen: why can't you just divert the file to /var/something/filename or such?
23:33.41caphusocheck FHS to find out what "something" is supposed to be...
23:33.47crisencaphuso: i can? is there a standard 'backup' directory that dpkg-divert uses?
23:33.51neeneeguru: i'll try. thanks.
23:33.52guruis anyone else here as satisfied and impressed with sarge as i am?
23:33.52crisenok thanks
23:34.03guruneenee: anytime. also, see #php for additional assistance
23:34.07caphusocrisen: standard is the directory the file you want to divert is in
23:34.28caphusoit renames /usr/bin/foo to /usr/bin/foo.distrib, for example
23:34.34Bogaurdpaulswm: would it be worth using distcc, and compiling on my 2ghz machine?
23:34.36crisencaphuso: but that wont help in /lib/modules/`uname -r`, because depmod will still find the old file
23:34.48caphusocrisen: then don't do that
23:34.51crisencaphuso: thats my dilema at the moment :)
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23:35.26paulswmBogaurd: either run the compile as root or (better) look at /etc/kernel-pkg.conf and set root_cmd := sudo and run it as a sudo-enabled user
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23:35.36crisenok, moving the old module to /var/backups looks like a good thing to do
23:35.40caphusocrisen: untested, but something like this: dpkg-divert --add --divert /var/local/diversions/foo.o /lib/modules/foobar/misc/foo.o
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23:36.10crisencaphuso: cheers, ill give that a shot. thanks!
23:36.23dsfsdfhey i need to install drivers for my nvidea and when i run the installer it says i need a precompiled kernel
23:36.29paulswmBogaurd: I compile kernels for other boxes on my machine, I don't do anything special, I just do the compile, sftp the deb to the target machine, and dpkg -i it on the target
23:36.42caphusofakeroot!
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23:37.12guruhmm...since i'm a debian full-timer now, guess i should put this channel in my irssi config :)
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23:37.30caphusooh, great, we've been looking for a guru a long time now...
23:37.37gurupaulswm: what version of debian and what kernel are you on?
23:37.48Bogaurdpaulswm: i am now downloading the kernel source... its about 74% done
23:37.52paulswmsarge, home built 2.6.8
23:37.54gurucaphuso: i'm a unix guru...still learning the ropes of linux again :)
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23:38.05paulswm!nickometer guru
23:38.06dpkg'guru' is 0.000% lame, paulswm
23:38.16catlinux is the same shit as unix
23:38.20cougggwhat can i have to see with apt-cache?
23:38.21paulswm!nickometer paulswm
23:38.30gurui'm 0% lame?! damn, i need to try harder ;)
23:38.44catcouggg: huh?
23:38.49dsfsdfdoes anyone know where i can get the precompiled kerenl for the latest version of debian?
23:38.57Bogaurd!nickometer bogaurd
23:38.59gurudsfsdf: why not compile it yourself?
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23:39.13dsfsdfi need it precompiled
23:39.17gurucat: no it's not
23:39.17peterSdsfsdf: ummm, the latest version of debian comes with its own precompiled kernels.  'apt-cache search kernel-image-'
23:39.21guruunix is quite different
23:39.26billyocdsfsdf: can't you apt-get it?
23:39.36struct_caphuso: is it ok to make symbolic links to manpages?
23:39.38gurudsfsdf: why do you need it pre-compiled?
23:39.40dsfsdfi couldnt find it and got pissed
23:39.45caphusostruct_: well... depends
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23:39.56dsfsdfmy nvidea driver installer syas i need a precompiled version
23:39.56gurui fail to see why anyone would need a bloated kernel over a nicely configured and lean one
23:40.10Bogaurdpaulswm, can i get a bit of help from you with this :)?
23:40.11tak_how many sectors are in a gigabyte?
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23:40.24catguru: it is,
23:40.24gurudsfsdf: scrap your nvidia installer, compile your kernel then install the nvidia driver with apt
23:40.25caphusoguru: because the debian kernels are better than the kernels 90% of the people in this channel produce
23:40.27dondelelcarotak_: depends how big the sectors are
23:40.32struct_caphuso: depends on what?
23:40.42gurucaphuso: i can understand that
23:40.46tak_dondelelcaro: is there a standard for IDE ext2fs disks, or does it vary widely?
23:40.52paulswmBogaurd: you don't need my help, go ahead and try, you won't break anything, the kernel compile isn't going to overwrite your current one
23:40.53dsfsdfthe drivers that came with debian dont work
23:40.54gurui'm just too picky i guess
23:40.57caphusoguru: because debian kernels use on average less memory than most self-compiled "lean" ones
23:41.10Bogaurdpaulswm, okey
23:41.11gurucaphuso: not if they are properly configured
23:41.12caphusoguru: because it's faster to apt-get install the binary instead of having to compile the kernel
23:41.28struct_caphuso: every time i try to make symlinks to manpages they are broken.
23:41.29caphusoguru: because you don't need to install all the development tools
23:41.31dsfsdfdoes anyone know how i can apt drivers
23:41.34dsfsdfthe shortcut
23:41.39paulswmBogaurd: best way to learn, it's intimidating at first I know
23:41.54caphusoguru: because there isn't really an advantage except when you want to use a feature not present in the debian kernels
23:41.55gurucaphuso: ok, you made your point :)
23:41.59tak_I think mine is 1KB = 1 sector
23:42.03Manoj`caphuso: why do you think official kernels use less memory?
23:42.23caphusoManoj`: highly modular
23:42.26paulswmManoj`: becasue everything's in modules
23:42.27dsfsdfok well thanks everyone ill probably be back
23:42.28gurumost precompiled kernels are tuned for compatability, not performance :)
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23:42.33Manoj`caphuso: and modular means less memory?
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23:42.35Bogaurdpaulswm, hehe no worries. i just am not sure to get my old kernel config file.... i dwonloaded the kernel headers & source...
23:42.41tak_1 million KB = 1 gigabyte ? (roughly)
23:42.44cafuegoguru: No, that's not true.
23:43.04Manoj`caphuso: what if I don't compile stuff into my kernel that I don't have hardware for?
23:43.06deadcatorinoco in my ibook. (= http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ibook.800/orinoco.in.ibook/
23:43.07paulswmBogaurd: your current config file is where your current kernel is, prolly /boot/config...
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23:43.16gurutak_: 1gb = 1024KB
23:43.22cafuegoguru: The precompiled kernels are tuned for performance justa s much as a homebaked one, unless you're fucking around with -O6 -funroll-loops flags
23:43.22Manoj`paulswm: umm, sorry, that argument does nto actually fly
23:43.25caphusoManoj`: no. but if you have lets say 10 days uptime and after the first 5 days you load a module you need, then you used on average less memory than if you had it compiled in all the time :)
23:43.29Bogaurdpaulswm: ah ok... i got ya :)
23:43.38gurucafuego: ahh
23:43.47cafuegodeadcat: Running linux?
23:43.48paulswmManoj`: whatever
23:43.52tak_guru: i thought 1024KB = 1MB
23:43.58Manoj`caphuso: well, that is a very ... meaningless metric, really
23:44.01gurutak_: oh my bad
23:44.04tak_LOL
23:44.05tak_:-)
23:44.13tak_are you sure you're a guru?
23:44.20Manoj`compared to the bloat that a distro kernel necesarily has, I am gonna stick to my own lean kernels
23:44.20deadcatcafuego: ya.
23:44.22guru1 gig = 1024mb
23:44.25catis just a nick name
23:44.27gurutak_: no, just sleep deprived
23:44.27cafuegoguru: That's why there are -k6, -k7 -686 -686-smp kernel flavours.
23:44.31catthat doesn't mean hi's a guru
23:44.32tak_guru: ok :-)
23:44.39cat*he's
23:44.42gurutak_: and now i'm pumped with caffinne and i can't sleep if i tried
23:44.48caphusoManoj`: sure, but so is "bloated kernel" when talking about a debian kernel-image
23:44.52deadcatcafuego: too bad i cant break that extra part of the orinoco. cant close the keyboard. kismet works fine too.
23:44.58cafuegodeadcat: Tried the latest 0.15 orinoco drivers from sourceforge yet, the ones with monitor mode stuff baked in?
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23:45.22paulswmactually, 1GB is one thousand million bytes, the 1024 stuff is misleading and not normally accepted numbering, although used a lot
23:45.26deadcatcafuego: i use savannah's. it even has orinoco_usb prism_usb
23:45.26gurucat: i'm no guru; i know a lot but there is also a lot that i don't know. and you're right, it's just another nickname with it's own unique story to go with it :)
23:45.31Bogaurdpaulswm: ok... the main reason for me compiling this is to enable the HTB bandwidth shaper... how can i patch this against the kernel source? is there a package or something?
23:45.50cafuegodeadcat: Well, maybe the one I got was on savannah too, can't remmeber :-)
23:45.52paulswmBogaurd: I don't know, I don't use it
23:46.02Bogaurdpaulswm, ok
23:46.13BogaurdShadur: are you there?
23:46.15Manoj`caphuso: but it is a bloated package, just cause it has to cater to all possible situations. And it uses (bletch) initrds
23:46.25deadcatcafuego: maybe. pretty good.. too bad the hermesAP driver is so crappy. (=
23:46.54cafuegoManoj`: Tha fact that it doesn't load modules for hardware you don't have does NOT mean it runs slower.
23:46.56caphusoManoj`: "bloated"? it uses up a few MiB of disk space...
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23:47.21Manoj`caphuso: it did not, until recently, have the security stuff I use compiled in. It still does not have the latest SKAS3 patches, or the swusp2 patches
23:47.23cafuegodeadcat: Well, you can buy a minitar for what an orinoco pcmcia card costs ya ;-)
23:47.31cafuegodeadcat: And THAT runs Linux too ;-)
23:47.37Manoj`cafuego: I did not say run slower. I said bloated package
23:47.44couggghow to be sure that source headers are in /usr/src ?????
23:47.45caphusoManoj`: now... those are reasons to not use a kernel-image
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23:47.54cafuegoManoj`: But it's not bloated. it contains only what it should contain.
23:47.54LanKuchani want to run seti at home right after boot. tried thru /etc/init.d > update-rc.d but dont get the login prompt. it's stucked at seti. any idea to do it correctly?
23:48.00Manoj`caphuso: it no longer fits on a floppy :P
23:48.14caphusoManoj`: but waving your arms around and shouting "bloat, bloat!" isn't
23:48.15cafuegoManoj`: People no longer use floppies.
23:48.32deadcatcafuego: whats a minitar?
23:48.34Manoj`cafuego: it is bloated for any individual user -- as it has to be to cater to all the potential users of the distribution, and all kinds of hardware
23:48.36Kerrmy friend gets a whole lot of 'Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing' when his new sarge box boots; for cron, and other things. Anyone got an idea why?
23:48.48dskippyLanKuckan: Are you starting SETI before you connect to the net?
23:48.54Manoj`cafuego: that is a nice aregument to justify the bloat, heh
23:48.59cafuegodeadcat: http://www.minitar.com/index.php?maincat=product&cat=wireless&prod=wls_ap&page=2
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23:49.05couggg<PROTECTED>
23:49.05cafuegoManoj`: Like I said, it's not bloated.
23:49.14caphuso<jargon, abuse> The result of adding new features to a program     or system to the point where the benefit of the new features     is outweighed by the extra resources consumed ({RAM}, disk     space or performance) and complexity of use.
23:49.15dskippyI had a problem where my mail transfer agent was bombing on start up due to no connection.
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23:49.23cafuegoManoj`: it supports what it needs to support, so ALL DEBIAN USERS can use it.
23:49.47cafuegoManoj`: Surely you're not sugegsting they release a kernel-image just for your machine?
23:49.47Bogaurdpaulswm: i patched it successfully :D
23:49.49caphusoso... kernel-images don't consume more RAM, hardly any disk space and no performace. complexity of use isn't increased either
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23:50.00paulswm@win Bogaurd
23:50.01caphusoconclusion: no bloat in the kernel-images
23:50.03ravenbirdCongratulations, Bogaurd! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
23:50.04warren_paulswm, plz where i can find your loginscreen debian on your ebook ?
23:50.07LanKuchandskippy: the idea is to run seti without having to type the command manually
23:50.09Manoj`caphuso: covering your ears and chanting na-na-na-na-na also isn't gonna get you far
23:50.09Manoj`cafuego: you are certainly entitled to your opinion.
23:50.14Bogaurd:)
23:50.16deadcatcafuego: well. the orinoco cards are cheap now. and i want to use it with hermesAP to setup a fake AP in class. (=
23:50.19paulswmwarren_: huh?
23:50.21Manoj`cafuego: I do reserve the right to have mine, and I do have some experience with kernel images
23:50.33cafuegoManoj`: I don't have an opinion. Just stating facts.
23:50.34dskippyLanKuchan: Yes I know. But there still may be a problem that I mentioned.
23:50.34cougggalllo help me i am lostµ
23:50.49LanKuchandskippy: obviously init.d run it too early
23:50.55caphusoManoj`: you're the one claiming that they are bloated. you need to prove it
23:50.57davsIm an idiot and reinstalled windows xp and now I cant get into my debian drive, what should I do, Im not even sure what to do a search for ? :(
23:51.09Manoj`cafuego: Umm. facts they are not; since they are statements of opinion, with no hard criteria for classification
23:51.09cafuegodavs: Find a debian cd, boot off it.
23:51.12dskippyLanKuchan: No, init.d can start your internet connection for you too.
23:51.15chealercouggg: you're on #debian!
23:51.16KerrManoj`: If you're obsessed with bloat, and invisible preformance increases, shouldn't you be using gentoo?
23:51.17cafuegoManoj`: /msg dpkg right
23:51.23cougggi know
23:51.29cafuegoKerr: Who says he isn't? ;-)
23:51.44dskippyLanKuchan: And if it connects to the net first, then you don't have the problem I mentioned. If it connects second, then you *might* have the problem.
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23:51.56Manoj`caphuso: mine too is a statement of opinion. you really need to distinguish subjective criteria like bloat from something that is ``provable''
23:51.57paulswmdavs: like cafuego said.  You need to reinstall lilo or grub or whatever your boot manager was before XP scribbled all over the MBR
23:52.00cougggchealer: how to be sure that my source header are on usr/src?
23:52.01chealercouggg: there's a package for kernel headers
23:52.02deadcatcan kismet differentiate WEP and WPA or it just shows WEP even if its WPA?
23:52.12dskippyLanKuchan: Does SETI start fine if you run the command first thing after boot up?
23:52.16cafuegoManoj`: Fownloading a kernel source to compile your own 'non bloated" kernel ends up using more disk space and bogs dopwn yuor cpu a lot more then a kernel-image. Now *that* is bloat.
23:52.19Manoj`Kerr: Umm. I like debian, but I am also aware of the choices it offers
23:52.22LanKuchandskippy: yes
23:52.37Manoj`Kerr: so, I kinda like the fact that I can compiler my own lean images on debian
23:52.39cougggi foind it opn debian.org?
23:52.58dskippyLanKuchan: Try this. Take down your internet connection and run SETI. Does it do what SETI does when you put it in init.d?
23:53.00Manoj`cafuego: I have diskspace on some machines, not all
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23:53.16cafuegodavs: You can boot the cd or floppy with the root=/dev/hdX' boot parameter. That will boot *your* install, so you simply rerun lilo or grub-install after that.
23:53.16Bogaurdpaulswm: how can i launch the kernel config tool?
23:53.19LanKuchandskippy: my debian box is a dhcp client and as soon as it boot it already got internet connection
23:53.32Manoj`cafuego: I also like tailored kernels -- with stack smashing protection, selinux, loop aes, and skas3
23:53.37paulswmBogaurd: it's in the link I posted
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23:53.48dskippyLanKuchan: Doesn't mean you cannot take down the internet connection.
23:54.00chealercouggg: or apt-get it? I have kernel-headers-2.6.8-2  for example
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23:54.07paulswmBogaurd: there are a couple of differnet ones, prolly make xconfig is the best for 2.4
23:54.10Bogaurdpaulswm: ok... ill look again
23:54.14Manoj`cafuego: the generic kernels do not give me that, make me muck around with initrd's, and have loads of stuff that is irrelevant to the hardware I run
23:54.15LanKuchanusing init.d, first thing i got is seti -- no command prompt and cannot ssh also
23:54.16davsso using my sarge business card cd to repair my mbr I nuked while reinstalling windows wont affect my current linux drive?
23:54.19cafuegoManoj`: I prefer homebuild kernels too, but that doesn't mean precompiled ones are bloated.
23:54.20Bogaurdpaulswm: thabks
23:54.32Manoj`cafuego: your opinion
23:54.46dskippyLanKuchan: I don't understand what you just said.
23:55.05mrfgi've sarga with 2.6.8 kernel and normal user can't mount ntfs hard drive, how should do it?
23:55.05Manoj`cafuego: In mine any generic kernel must need to be bloated, since it caters to all possible hardware people may like to use
23:55.07dskippyLanKuchan: Do you understand what I'm suggesting as a possible problem?
23:55.25cafuegoNothing quite so pointless as having a discussion with a fucking teenager
23:55.31Manoj`cafuego: I kinda like to think I know what I talk about when I talk about kernel-image packages
23:55.39asuffieldcafuego: no, writing an entire system for creating custom kernel packages because of this, in a bastardised mix of perl and make, and spending weeks at it, would be 'bloat' :P
23:55.39LanKuchani meant i successfully ran seti with init.d but it ran seti too early i think so i cannot do anything with the machine
23:55.41simonrvnManoj` a teenager? :)
23:55.53caphusoasuffield: haha
23:55.57Manoj`cafuego: you calling me a teenager, and you are arguing with _me_ about kernel-images?
23:55.59Manoj`heh
23:56.07simonrvnManoj`: *grin*
23:56.10dskippyLanKuchan: You mean the machine is not booting up?
23:56.14dskippyI see.
23:56.30cafuegoasuffield: Pff. Your opinion.
23:56.43Kerri'm a teenager, but i'm too apathetic for petty argulents.
23:56.45Manoj`simonrvn: yeah. well, this is #debian, after all
23:56.47dskippyLanKuchan: Can you boot off a debian install CD or rescue disk to change the init.d files back to normal?
23:56.53Bogaurdpaulswm: will 'make menuconfig' launch the config tool? besides that i dont see anything else about it...
23:57.05LanKuchandskippy: it's boot fine --, then process seti script but it was just too early before it finished it normal thing
23:57.09Manoj`asuffield: it took years, not weeks, to arrive at the shape it is in now
23:57.11cafuegoBogaurd: yes, it will.
23:57.15simonrvnManoj`: heh
23:57.19mrfgi've sarge with 2.6.8 kernel and normal user can't mount ntfs hard drive, = permission denied, how should do it?
23:57.21Bogaurdcafuego: thanks :)
23:57.31paulswmBogaurd: like I said, there is more than one.  make xconfig is the nicest to navigate, if you are in X
23:57.33asuffieldManoj`: most of that was spent waiting for people to break it though
23:57.40LanKuchandskippy: i did that -- so now try to figure out how to run seti without having to type it manually
23:57.42dskippyLanKuchan: I'm sorry, but I just can't understand you.
23:57.43cafuegomrfg: 'man mount' See the umask and gid options.
23:57.48pablobanyone knows how to use cdbs?
23:57.51Manoj`asuffield: true. and waiting for inspiration when too bored with nothing else to do
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23:58.09cafuegomrfg: And you'll want 'user' or 'users' as well.
23:58.12LanKuchandskippy: let's reset my question then
23:58.21dskippyLanKuchan: Sure.
23:58.30Bogaurdpaulswm: no such luck... this is all ssh
23:58.32paulswmBogaurd: I forgot that the link only unses menuconfig, that's curses based text, some like it but I prefer xconfig.  You could try both
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23:58.52paulswmBogaurd: then menuconfig it is :)
23:58.53LanKuchandskippy: i want to run seti without having to type it manually
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23:59.06cafuegoThe problem with xconfig is that it requires 25Mb of Qt dev shit.
23:59.09Manoj`I must admit that kernel-image packages are getting to be kinda nifty now. I might use them more were it not for the initrd stuff
23:59.23cafuego(bloat)
23:59.27[GABRI]hello, any people use dansguardian?
23:59.29Bogaurdpaulswm: thanks... just one more question :) i did the HTB bit fine... should i use it as a module? or in the kernel?
23:59.36Manoj`and gcnfig requires something similar
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23:59.54paulswmBogaurd: that's entirely your preference
23:59.57dskippyLanKuchan: And you put it in init.d (which I would suggest) but it caused your machine to not boot because SETI hung.

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