| 00:00.00 | simonrvn | Bogaurd: up to you |
| 00:00.23 | Manoj` | on the other hand, I tend to build all my kernels on one or two machines that already have all the devel stuff, so it is no extra hardship ;-) |
| 00:00.27 | dskippy | LanKuchan: We believe this to be because it started SETI before you connect to the net. |
| 00:00.27 | LanKuchan | dskippy: yes |
| 00:00.31 | Bogaurd | paulswm, simonrvn: what is the diff? |
| 00:00.38 | paulswm | Bogaurd: I suggest building a kernel with whatever you need for boot compiled in (IDE support, your filesystem driver" and not creating an initrd |
| 00:00.53 | simonrvn | Bogaurd: one is built-in, and the other modular =) |
| 00:00.58 | dskippy | LanKuchan: So I think there are ways to mark something as needing to be run later. |
| 00:01.13 | dskippy | Actually I think that's why init.d files have numbers infront of them. |
| 00:01.24 | simonrvn | paulswm: isn't he talking about HTB? as in iproute-related ? |
| 00:01.28 | dskippy | Ask around here about ordering your boot scripts. |
| 00:01.32 | lee | neenee: have you got UT2004 working under linux? |
| 00:01.34 | dskippy | I don't really know the details. |
| 00:01.56 | Manoj` | building a kernel could be better too |
| 00:01.59 | paulswm | Bogaurd: I personally compile in everything that's used all the time, and maybe a couple of modules for stuff that's not used much |
| 00:02.01 | LanKuchan | dskippy: yeah -- i want init.d to run seti after all the boot process completed. |
| 00:02.48 | Manoj` | ah well. back to testing forkpty + select |
| 00:03.01 | simonrvn | 5596909 2005-01-11 15:45 vmlinux-2.6.10-grsec |
| 00:03.02 | lee | anybody have a suggestion where to go (besides google) for help on getting Unreal Tournament 2004 to run under linux/debian? |
| 00:03.08 | paulswm | simonrvn: yes, maybe he needs it compiled in, out of my area, sorry, didn't mean to mislead him |
| 00:03.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:03.15 | valdyn | LanKuchan: apt-get install sysvconfig, if you can |
| 00:03.25 | simonrvn | paulswm: networking. like iptables |
| 00:03.57 | Manoj` | woo hoo |
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| 00:04.20 | Manoj` | Hmm. I wonder if I should set the tty into raw mode and reset at exit or not. |
| 00:04.22 | deadcat | how can my desktop act as a router for my laptop without using iptables or any of those program, just echo 1 to some /proc files. |
| 00:04.25 | paulswm | 1812366 Jan 12 15:40 vmlinuz-2.6.8-paul-4 heh |
| 00:04.27 | simonrvn | paulswm: pretty much depends what *kind* of machine this is destined for. is it a router, or is it some desktop that's moving packets back and forth? what? |
| 00:04.38 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you'll need iptables to turn on the NAT |
| 00:04.55 | paulswm | simonrvn: I don't know what he's using it for |
| 00:04.56 | LanKuchan | valdyn: ok will try that. and thanks dskippy too. c'ya |
| 00:05.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: /msg dpkg masq; is about the simplest set of instructions you can use |
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| 00:05.14 | Robot101 | deadcat: if you want to route without any NAT, just set ip_forward to yes in /etc/network/options |
| 00:05.28 | neenee | lee: yup |
| 00:05.32 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ok... i have a iptables script but i just want to use the minimum |
| 00:05.33 | Robot101 | deadcat: which in reality sets /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:05.44 | simonrvn | Bogaurd: you following this? i'll ask you directly: what are you going to use this kernel for? a dedicated router, or a desktop, or to test things? |
| 00:05.59 | simonrvn | Robot101: um, what? |
| 00:06.05 | deadcat | Robot101: that dont do anything as far as i know. |
| 00:06.10 | neenee | lee: well, i uninstalled it, but it worked fine on gentoo and debian for me. with the latest patch and various bonuspacks and some mods. |
| 00:06.16 | simonrvn | he needs NAT for ipv4 |
| 00:06.18 | Bogaurd | simonrvn: yeah i seem to be going fine... its a kernel for a little server |
| 00:06.29 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.31 | simonrvn | unless he's got public routable IPs to hand out |
| 00:06.50 | simonrvn | Bogaurd: oh, then i'd suggest modules. |
| 00:07.02 | Robot101 | simonrvn: if you want the box to route IP packets between interfaces, he needs that too. whether he needs NAT or not is a different question :) |
| 00:07.04 | Bogaurd | ok, if i compile too many things into the kernel itself, it will get bloated right? |
| 00:07.09 | Bogaurd | simonrvn: okey dokey |
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| 00:07.17 | simonrvn | Robot101: yeh, depends what his needs are |
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| 00:07.59 | simonrvn | Bogaurd: well, depends. do you want everything accessible early, including things like the ipt_ modules and sch_ modules, or is it less important? |
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| 00:08.16 | guru | from /proc/bus/usb/devices: S: Product=nVidia Corporation nForce2 USB Controller |
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| 00:08.38 | guru | is nforce2 usb supported in the 2.8.6 kernel? |
| 00:08.47 | Bogaurd | it doesnt matter when they are available... just as long as they work when the systemhes booting :D |
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| 00:08.55 | Bogaurd | system finishes* |
| 00:09.20 | valdyn | guru: thats ohci or uhci, no special driver |
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| 00:09.29 | simonrvn | so just make sure that if you do go modular, have them in /etc/modules |
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| 00:09.44 | guru | ahh ok |
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| 00:09.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: have you seen this yet? http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ibook.800/orinoco.in.ibook/ |
| 00:09.58 | cafuego | guru: They probably will be when 2.8 is released, in 2007 or so. |
| 00:10.00 | guru | valdyn: how do i determine which one to use? |
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| 00:10.26 | Robot101 | cafuego: he may have meant 2.6.8 |
| 00:10.42 | guru | yeah, damn dyslexia :( |
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| 00:10.45 | hipp | hi |
| 00:10.52 | paulswm | Bogaurd: if I understand you right, you are at the target machine, but actually doing the compile on a faster remote box, right? |
| 00:11.14 | guru | joe@wigglespot:~$ sudo modprobe usbcore |
| 00:11.14 | guru | FATAL: Module usbcore not found. |
| 00:11.21 | guru | :O |
| 00:11.30 | Bogaurd | paulswm: nope, the 2ghz box is running windows atm... im compiling on the super speedy 300mhz celeron |
| 00:11.38 | Bogaurd | via ssh |
| 00:11.48 | valdyn | guru: iirc ohci |
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| 00:12.07 | paulswm | Bogaurd: so if the target is remote, what are you going to do if the new kernel doesn't boot? |
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| 00:12.18 | Bogaurd | get it out the cupboard |
| 00:12.26 | Bogaurd | and plug a keyboard and screen into it |
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| 00:12.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:12.33 | FromTO | ok I know this is a long shot and is not the best place to post THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION, but here it goes. does anyone know of any small utilities that can run X11 on windows machines when connecting through ssh -X. Myy users need to connect to my box and be able to run x apps. I know cygwin works but I am looking for something smaller |
| 00:12.50 | guru | valdyn: in the kernel config, it's "OHCI HCD support" right? |
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| 00:13.02 | paulswm | Bogaurd: oh, good, I thought it was like a long way away, that was prolly simonrvn's concern too |
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| 00:13.27 | valdyn | guru: yea |
| 00:13.27 | Bogaurd | paulswm, simonrvn: sorry guys :) its about 2 paces away :) |
| 00:13.39 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 00:13.56 | SubFreeze | Hello! I'm trying to get to MySQL from ROOT on a debian server, but I get ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) AND ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO) HOWEVER, a PHP script can connect using root as the login with no password just fine -- any ideas? |
| 00:14.02 | burd | Just an interesting tidbit.. after 4 days of messing around with lirc from unstable using 2.6.7-1-k7 kernel and not being able to compile the lirc modules I got with apt, I finally decided to compile then entire thing from source and it worked.. shoudl I report this as a bug? |
| 00:14.06 | guru | valdyn: should i enable usb verbose debug messages? |
| 00:14.07 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh. I don't want to know how much stress that's putting on the pcmcia connectors... ;-) |
| 00:14.07 | paulswm | Bogaurd: I was worried that I may have misled you and it was going to boot fine but without essential networking stuff |
| 00:14.09 | Bogaurd | ok... i am finished configging the kernel... now i need to save as an alternate file.... what name should i give? |
| 00:14.21 | Bogaurd | paulswm: hehe :P |
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| 00:14.47 | cafuego | Bogaurd: Oh it wasn't *that* slow ;-) |
| 00:14.48 | paulswm | Bogaurd: I usually edit the Makefile for a version, look at the howto I posted |
| 00:15.03 | MrP | For some reason, when I logged in and out of my computer, my internet stopped working. When I did an ifconfig, it shows a "sit0" device. What is this? |
| 00:15.04 | valdyn | guru: probably not |
| 00:15.10 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. (= kinna bending it a bit... |
| 00:15.12 | guru | ok, compiling now |
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| 00:15.20 | cafuego | MrP: ipv4-ipv6 tunnel interface. Just ignore it |
| 00:15.24 | paulswm | cafuego: he hasn't compiled it yet :) |
| 00:15.32 | suriya | How do I disable IPv6 in a neat way, in Debian? all IPv6-ready applications do IPv6 DNS lookups first and cause quite a delay |
| 00:15.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: although, I thiink you can take off the black antenna and get the pigtail to plug in... but I've never done it |
| 00:16.04 | cafuego | suriya: tell them to not use ipv6, make sure the ipv6 module doesn'tload at boot. |
| 00:16.07 | davs | ok, I tried booting off my sarge cd to repair my mbr and grub, but I cant seem to figure out how to reinstall grub without it wanting to partition my disc, can someone help? |
| 00:16.10 | paulswm | Bogaurd: don't save the config as an alternate file, it needs to be called .config - you can always start again with another copy from /boot |
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| 00:16.21 | cafuego | davs: Sure. |
| 00:16.25 | cafuego | davs: alt-F2 |
| 00:16.33 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: might search around google to see if anyone has done that |
| 00:16.36 | struct | anyone know when java-package will support the current version of jdk 1.5.0 update 1? |
| 00:16.38 | cafuego | davs: hit return; mount your root partition on /target |
| 00:16.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: cant. the card is too long. i've opened it up already. else would save me big bucks |
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| 00:16.50 | davFr | hi! |
| 00:17.08 | davFr | question : did someone (using Sarge) recently tried to boot a newly compiled kernel from a floppy or a CD-R? |
| 00:17.20 | pipeline | FromTO: You can use Cygwin's X distribution to build tinyX |
| 00:17.21 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh, yours takes the short cards? |
| 00:17.23 | cafuego | davs: mound -o bind /proc /target/proc; chroot /target; /sbin/grub-install /dev/hdX; exit; umount /target/proc; umount /target; reboot |
| 00:17.29 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya |
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| 00:17.30 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: not the normal looking airport ones? |
| 00:17.36 | dondelelcaro | bummer |
| 00:17.42 | pipeline | FromTO: Alternatively, configure X-win32 to act as a dumb X terminal. |
| 00:17.46 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: the short one is the normal one |
| 00:17.54 | paulswm | gotta go, stay safe everyone, good luck Bogaurd |
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| 00:18.04 | cafuego | struct: Worked fine here a few days ago. |
| 00:18.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh, I thought those were just normal PC cards with a notch taken out of them. oh well. |
| 00:18.18 | suriya | cafuego: i couldn't figure out how to neatly do this, the ipv6 module gets loaded by automatically, so i mv-ed the ipv6.ko module. that solves one problem. but still some apps try for IPv6 first |
| 00:18.22 | struct | cafuego: really? with 1.5.0 update 1? |
| 00:18.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: at least your laptop makes it easy to install... in mine, you have to take the entire bottom off of the thing |
| 00:18.30 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: if the only apple airport base stations use the short airport card. we can make a living buing the old AP base station and selling the card inside on ebay. (= |
| 00:18.30 | cafuego | struct: yep |
| 00:18.34 | struct | weird.. |
| 00:18.57 | Bogaurd | ok.. i am about to start compiling it |
| 00:19.05 | struct | cafuego: did you have to do anything special? |
| 00:19.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ya. they really hide the airport card on the powerbook. your version atleast |
| 00:19.30 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2004/03_march/powerbook_hd_replacement_20040304/004_airport_card_20040304.jpg <- I thought this was the same size... maybe I'm forgetting something |
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| 00:19.50 | FromTO | pipeline: how do you do that what is X-win32 |
| 00:19.52 | cafuego | struct: Nope, just rain it. |
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| 00:19.56 | cafuego | s/rain/ran/ |
| 00:20.07 | struct | what is the difference between a hard link and a symbolic link? |
| 00:20.20 | pipeline | FromTO: The cheapest windows X server product. It's roughly 250$. In contrast, eXceed is about 1000$. |
| 00:20.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thats the one i need. i have the card for pcmcia |
| 00:20.45 | simonrvn | well, i know my 6to4 tunnel's working, i'm getting mail via an ipv6 addie *phew* |
| 00:20.46 | dondelelcaro | struct: a hardlink indicates that two entries in the filesystem share the same inodes for data. |
| 00:20.47 | pipeline | struct: A symbolic link is just a link. A hard link is a regular file. |
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| 00:20.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: is yours 128bit WEP right? |
| 00:20.52 | FromTO | pipeline: guess I will stick with cygwin |
| 00:20.59 | linuxjones | struct, soft links can span different filesystems |
| 00:21.51 | dondelelcaro | struct: a softlink is just a different type of file pointing to another file. |
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| 00:21.52 | pipeline | struct: It helps if you consider that all files are hard links. When a file has no hard links (filenames) left, it's deleted. |
| 00:21.52 | dondelelcaro | struct: info ln; will help you out. |
| 00:21.52 | struct | thanks |
| 00:21.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: dunno actually. I've never bothered with WEP |
| 00:22.15 | pipeline | struct: When you make a hard link, you're not making a copy of a file: You're just giving the file another entry in the filesystem, another name in addition to the one it has. |
| 00:22.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: that card i have on the ibook pics is silver to gold and my friend also helped me change the MAC address. (= HAHAHA |
| 00:23.09 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh. nice |
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| 00:27.04 | burd | but1 |
| 00:27.37 | davs | Ok, Im a newb yes, I reinstalled windows xp and ruined my mbr and cannot access my debian drive, I booted off my sarge cd to try to fix the problem without ruining my debian install I spent months tweaking. I hit alt+f2 when the cd booted up and /target but from here I am completely lost |
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| 00:28.55 | raid5 | how do i extract multiple .tar.gz files in a directory using find command? |
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| 00:29.31 | raid5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:30.38 | dondelelcaro | raid5: there's no need to repeat... find . -type f -iname '*.tar.gz' -exec tar -zxf '{}' \; |
| 00:30.47 | dondelelcaro | raid5: info find; will enlighten you. |
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| 00:31.53 | dondelelcaro | davs: you need to mount your debian install on /target, then rerun grub. |
| 00:32.12 | lee | neenee: did you ever have trouble with opengl and ut2004? |
| 00:32.27 | cafuego | davs: I gave you EVERY single command you needed to run, in order. |
| 00:32.31 | cafuego | davs: mound -o bind /proc /target/proc; chroot /target; /sbin/grub-install /dev/hdX; exit; umount /target/proc; umount /target; reboot |
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| 00:32.48 | davs | oh crap dude I left before you typed that hehe thanks |
| 00:32.54 | lee | neenee: specifically, UT2004 not loading, and this appearing in ~/.ut2004/System/UT2004.log: Log: binding libGL.so.1 Critical: Could not load OpenGL library |
| 00:33.05 | cafuego | davs: .. that's after you mount /target |
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| 00:33.31 | cafuego | oooh errr |
| 00:33.43 | davs | does "/target" mean my root filesystem? |
| 00:33.50 | cafuego | davs: yes |
| 00:34.01 | Lambo | ive just locked myself out of a remote server with iptables, does anyone know what iptables command allows access to all? |
| 00:34.15 | davs | is there a way to locate this when Ive booted off the cd because Im not even sure where my target is |
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| 00:34.32 | Bogaurd | Lambo: flush all the rules? |
| 00:34.44 | cafuego | davs: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' should list some stuff. |
| 00:35.00 | Bogaurd | 'iptables -F input' or something |
| 00:35.40 | neenee | lee: nope. no problems |
| 00:35.45 | davs | thanks alot, I hope I dont have to come back and bug you guys but Ill give all this a go |
| 00:36.03 | neenee | lee: sounds like you have a problem with your opengl drivers in general |
| 00:36.07 | Lambo | thanks |
| 00:36.16 | neenee | lee: does glxgears run for you? |
| 00:36.19 | lee | neenee: balls, any ideas at all where to look or what to do? this is really annoying the hell out of me now :P |
| 00:36.31 | Cyanophytes | what is a good media player for debian? |
| 00:36.37 | neenee | cyanophytes: mplayer, xine |
| 00:36.47 | cafuego | Cyanophytes: Depends on the kind of media. |
| 00:36.51 | lee | neenee: yes, at about 3069fps, glxinfo says direct rendering: Yes, too |
| 00:36.57 | neenee | hm |
| 00:37.04 | Cyanophytes | wmf files |
| 00:37.15 | raid5 | dondelelcaro, : it says find: missing argument to `-exec' |
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| 00:37.18 | cafuego | Cyanophytes: mplayer then, probably. win w32codecs installed. |
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| 00:37.29 | neenee | lee: are you using nvidia or ati? |
| 00:37.34 | cafuego | wmf is a MS vector graphic format btw |
| 00:37.41 | cafuego | maybe you mean wmv |
| 00:37.42 | Cyanophytes | gmplayer don't seem to work with my sound |
| 00:37.49 | lee | neenee: nvidia, 6629 |
| 00:37.52 | dondelelcaro | raid5: what is the exact command that you entered? |
| 00:37.53 | neenee | hm |
| 00:38.19 | raid5 | dondelelcaro, : it worked :) it was 1 file just corrupted :) |
| 00:38.30 | peterS | I spy, with my little eye, a dancing kame! |
| 00:39.00 | peterS | for all of you out there jealous of me now, let me just say that it probably wasn't worth the trouble I just went through to get a ipv6 tunnel up just to see that graphic |
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| 00:39.05 | raid5 | what does the \; do? |
| 00:39.14 | dondelelcaro | raid5: info find |
| 00:39.15 | [GABRI] | hello, any people use dansguardian? |
| 00:39.33 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: probably not, since no one said that they did the last time you asked. |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: you may have better luck if you just ask your question, though. |
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| 00:40.19 | neenee | lee: try: "apt-get install libsage-0.1" and if that does not work, did you do a dist-upgrade recently? if so, try reinstalling your nvidia drivers. |
| 00:40.21 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: How rude! |
| 00:40.35 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hahahaha |
| 00:41.14 | lee | neenee: I just did a normal apt-get upgrade (I run sid) a couple of hours ago, it grabbed... rather a lot. I've just reinstalled the nvidia drivers again, after that, a few minutes ago, just to make sure it wasn't a problem there |
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| 00:41.21 | valdyn | lee:assuming /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.6629 exists : cd /usr/lib && ln -s libGL.so.1.o.6629 libGL.so.1 && ldconfig ( thats a hack, better if you had installed nvidia the proper way, i believe , /msg dpkg nvidia ) |
| 00:41.30 | free_attitude | hello! anyone knows release date of sarge? |
| 00:41.46 | kristiank | hello, does it exist a backport of CUPS for woody ? |
| 00:41.50 | cafuego | free_attitude: No. Nobody. |
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| 00:42.00 | cafuego | !info cupsys woody |
| 00:42.02 | neenee | lee: ok |
| 00:42.02 | deadcat | kristiank: apt-get.org |
| 00:42.02 | dpkg | cupsys: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.1.14-5woody10 (woody), Packaged size: 1746 kB, Installed size: 4960 kB |
| 00:42.11 | lee | valdyn: I ran the nvidia .run file, if that's what you mean by the proper way |
| 00:42.16 | neenee | no |
| 00:42.17 | cafuego | kristiank: cups is IN woody |
| 00:42.20 | neenee | that's not the debian way |
| 00:42.28 | deadcat | lee: thats not the proper way. |
| 00:42.30 | valdyn | lee: thats evil |
| 00:42.33 | neenee | the debian way is something like 'module-assistant auto-install nvidia ; apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx ; modprobe nvidia' |
| 00:42.37 | deadcat | !tell lee about nvidia |
| 00:42.40 | cafuego | lee: apt-cache search nvidia (after you add non-free to sources.list) |
| 00:42.55 | free_attitude | cafuego: ok, I didn't mean exacly.... You know, for a week, or month, two? |
| 00:42.57 | CAiRO | where is the default.kmap.gz to adjust the kbrequest key combination from inittab? |
| 00:43.03 | Leonardo_Cabelo | hello, somebody know a program that give to me a Hardware List from the computer? |
| 00:43.12 | cafuego | free_attitude: No. Nobody. |
| 00:43.24 | neenee | leonardo_cabelo: lspci perhaps |
| 00:43.37 | kristiank | I know cups is IN woody, but I get problems with it and wonder wether they are because ofversion of CUPS... |
| 00:43.40 | cafuego | free_attitude: Well MAYBE the release manager, but he's not talking. |
| 00:43.45 | Leonardo_Cabelo | neenee I want a Motherboard info |
| 00:43.55 | lee | erm, do I need to uninstall the current ones installed by the nvidia installer before getting the .debs? |
| 00:43.59 | Leonardo_Cabelo | and lspci don't have |
| 00:43.59 | cafuego | lee: 'lspci -v' |
| 00:44.10 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: What kind of info? |
| 00:44.17 | valdyn | lee: in the long run its prolly best if you use the nvidia installer uninstall feature and install nvidia properly |
| 00:44.22 | cafuego | lee: Yes, remove them. |
| 00:44.25 | cdb | does the radeon dri driver in kernel 2.6.10 support the mobility 9600? i'm seeing conflicting info on mailing lists and i seem to be unable to use it. |
| 00:44.28 | Manoj` | cafuego: I don't think the release managers know either |
| 00:44.38 | Manoj` | cafuego: atleast, not as of an hour ago |
| 00:44.44 | neenee | leonardo_cabelo: don't you have a mainboard manual? apart from that.. not a clue. |
| 00:44.58 | kristiank | is there a place where to look when I want to know if a backport exist ? |
| 00:44.59 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, I want to know to model of the Motherboard |
| 00:45.02 | Manoj` | cafuego: the response is still stuck in "It will be released when it is ready" ;-( |
| 00:45.13 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: Open the case, see what's printed on the mainboard. |
| 00:45.34 | Leonardo_Cabelo | but a have sixty machine to do that |
| 00:46.19 | Leonardo_Cabelo | but I have sixty machine to do that |
| 00:46.39 | burd | is there a app to view the raw data from a device connected to a serial port? |
| 00:46.50 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: install 'read-edit' and run 'get-edid' |
| 00:46.54 | pipeline | burd: cat |
| 00:46.56 | lee | neenee, valdyn, deadcat, cafuego: thanks =) |
| 00:46.59 | ApEtc | burd: You could just cat the dev |
| 00:47.08 | neenee | lee: you're perfectly welcome. |
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| 00:47.14 | burd | like: cat /dev/ttyS1 ?? |
| 00:47.19 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, what the read-edit do? |
| 00:47.23 | burd | k |
| 00:47.40 | raid5 | how do i start an application without title bar in fluxbox ? |
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| 00:47.55 | raid5 | in other words without window decorations / borders etc..etc |
| 00:48.13 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: Reads some data from mmory, if you're lucky there's BIOS info. |
| 00:48.32 | burd | okay that didn't look good, must not have been what I was looking for.. how about hexadecimal data from a serial device? |
| 00:48.39 | neenee | nite. |
| 00:48.51 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: 'read-edid' btw. |
| 00:48.59 | burd | what I seen with cat>>> ?????<??????<?? |
| 00:49.14 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, I will try this thanks man, sorry about my english, I am Brazilian :) |
| 00:49.26 | cafuego | Da nada :-) |
| 00:49.46 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego voce eh da onde? |
| 00:50.10 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: No, that was all the prtugese I know (apart from bom dia and obrigado) <heh> |
| 00:50.25 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, hahahaha |
| 00:50.50 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, But you live in US? |
| 00:51.23 | cafuego | Leonardo_Cabelo: I'm dutch, but live in Australia. |
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| 00:51.38 | elnovato | who uses anjuta here, raise the hand! |
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| 00:51.48 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, heheheh so Obrigado |
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| 00:51.58 | thd | Xsession seems not to be read when I run startx on newly installed Sarge system with xf86 4 . X has no window manager specified in Xsession or any other. Using alt-ctl-bksp seems to produce some error messages from xf86 version 3. Xf86 version is not configured and I did not specifically install version 3. |
| 00:52.41 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, see ya |
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| 00:52.51 | tarzeau | elnovato: i use Gorm/ProjectCenter |
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| 00:53.05 | elnovato | tarzeau: i want ot use anjuta to php |
| 00:53.06 | neenee | en ingles por favor |
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| 00:53.24 | neenee | nite again. |
| 00:53.29 | elnovato | cafuego: you garota? |
| 00:53.31 | tarzeau | elnovato: i certainly don't want php |
| 00:53.36 | cafuego | elnovato: I what? |
| 00:53.57 | elnovato | err... was for leon |
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| 00:54.03 | pedro | garota is like _girl_ i guess |
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| 00:54.09 | si|vercat | trying to install the bttv-drivers, using 2.4.27.. I get a "no such device" when modprobing, and the solution is probably that I need an insmod option.. but insmod gives weird errors about unresolved symbols, any way around this? |
| 00:54.13 | thd | One problem at a time how should I force a window manager to load with X. I have tried every X configuration file I could find. |
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| 00:55.09 | valdyn | si|vercat: your hardware is supported by bttv? |
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| 00:55.36 | couggg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.37 | si|vercat | valdyn, I'm pretty sure it is.. |
| 00:55.52 | davs | Ok Im having problems trying to figure out my target for my mbr fix booting off a sarge cd, I type fdisk -l /dev/hda doesnt give me anything, If I do a fdisk -l it gives the path to my linux filesystem as /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2 , so I try to mount that path and it says and it says it cant find it in /etc/fstab |
| 00:55.52 | si|vercat | it's a WinTV PVR |
| 00:56.47 | davs | Im pretty sure windows is on hda and debian on hdb |
| 00:56.53 | valdyn | si|vercat: nothing definite but my first hit on google yielded: http://pvr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:57.38 | elnovato | where is the anjuta support..!!?? |
| 00:57.45 | elnovato | !anjuta |
| 00:57.45 | dpkg | anjuta is, like, a great IDE to GTK+/GNOME for C/C++, similar to KDevelop. It has auto-completion, class/function browser, etc..http://anjuta.sourceforge.net |
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| 00:57.52 | couggg | hello I cant make run a source package how to do plssssss |
| 00:58.37 | The_Vulture | couggg: what exactly are you trying to do, and what exactly is the problem? |
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| 00:58.58 | couggg | i am a new user from debian |
| 00:58.59 | pedro | elnovato, what about #anjuta@irc.gnome.org |
| 00:59.01 | valdyn | si|vercat: ops nm, that was an ancient site, its prolly supported |
| 00:59.20 | couggg | i used apt-get but not sure that it's good |
| 00:59.25 | elnovato | pedro gracias! |
| 00:59.32 | pedro | denada |
| 00:59.50 | usuario | I have, /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 user,unhide,ro,noauto 0 0 ; when I try to mount a music cd (playable on cd player/boombox) I get returned: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, or too many mounted file systems |
| 01:00.00 | couggg | package is on the cdrom |
| 01:00.00 | usuario | What could be the problem? |
| 01:00.12 | pedro | usuario, is a audio cd right? |
| 01:00.20 | usuario | pedro: yes |
| 01:00.28 | pedro | you dont need to mount it |
| 01:00.39 | pedro | just open something like gnome-cd |
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| 01:01.02 | usuario | pedro: I will try to find kde equivalent as I'm on kde |
| 01:01.21 | pedro | sure search the menu |
| 01:01.21 | couggg | and after i try mcopy |
| 01:01.34 | couggg | allo? |
| 01:01.50 | valdyn | si|vercat: http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/, your card isnt supported by the stock kernel |
| 01:01.50 | cafuego | mm. New spamassassin in sarge. |
| 01:02.17 | couggg | the vulture : what is the way to do? |
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| 01:02.28 | cafuego | couggg: apt-get source -b <pachage> |
| 01:02.43 | cafuego | couggg: May as well just 'apt-get install <package>' |
| 01:02.44 | usuario | pedro: it seems to be reading the tracks(ksCD) but no volume; I checked the mixers and alsamixer |
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| 01:02.51 | drac | ~~~~~ |
| 01:03.09 | drac | damn, sorry. my cat walked on keyboard. |
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| 01:03.42 | ion_ | :) |
| 01:03.43 | ludi | what's the best 56k modem for linux? |
| 01:04.00 | shingouz | ludi: something external on a serial port |
| 01:04.21 | ludi | shingouz: how about internal PCI 56k |
| 01:04.31 | daft_ | luni just a common extarmal modem |
| 01:04.32 | ludi | what's the best modem chipset |
| 01:04.37 | shingouz | ludi: if it is not a winmodem itr will work |
| 01:04.41 | peterS | ludi: few, if any, of those are any good for anything but Windows |
| 01:05.00 | ludi | yes, but I'm just wondering what are the best internal hardware PCI 56k modems for linux |
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| 01:05.32 | daft_ | lundi internal modems Make a virtual rs232 (com/tty) and a modem over that and are mostly made for windows devices |
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| 01:06.02 | ludi | yes so I'm looking for a non-winmodem...internal PCI 56k... |
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| 01:06.20 | ludi | I presume it will be a USR, but I was wondering if there was a particular chipset. |
| 01:06.30 | daft_ | ludi that are the most external ones |
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| 01:06.52 | cafuego | ludi: I doubt you can buy internal PCI hardware modems these days. |
| 01:06.59 | ludi | really |
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| 01:07.07 | deadcat | just get a eireless card and sniff neighbors |
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| 01:07.17 | cafuego | Yes, that's the best solution |
| 01:07.19 | rdancer | Any tips on doing an OCR on a 5-digit type-this-number-in-the-box-below at http://sms.oskarmobil.cz/gd.php?id=30101456 ? |
| 01:07.26 | shingouz | and to do that try kismet ;) |
| 01:07.28 | couggg | e: sorry,you must put 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 01:07.31 | daft_ | wiresless isnt * > |
| 01:07.42 | deadcat | aircrack (= |
| 01:07.43 | thd | I xinitrc, xserverrc, and Xsession. I have added and then deleted dot file variants. I cannot edit any to start window manager after startx in sarge with xf86config-4. xf86config (version 3) is not configured. |
| 01:07.59 | couggg | How to Do |
| 01:08.05 | shingouz | deadcat: aircrack doesnt find the networks as well as kismet imho |
| 01:08.09 | rdancer | gocr seems to have serious problems with it, because the numbers are not upright, each in a different way |
| 01:08.23 | davs | Im trying to fix what my dumb newbie self messed up, I reinstalled windows and nuked my mbr, Im trying to fix this by booting off my sarge cd but I cant find my target to mount, in the partistion manager its listing my linux part as hdb, I tried to mount /dev/hdb and hda and neither are in my fstab, I do a fdisk -l and it shows my bootable linux partition at /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2, Im using reiserfs and I am stuck at this point |
| 01:08.24 | davs | not knowing what to mount |
| 01:08.30 | deadcat | shingouz: true |
| 01:08.35 | cafuego | kismet is by far the mosts entitive app I've used. |
| 01:08.56 | deadcat | cafuego: can kismet differentiate wep and wpa? |
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| 01:09.05 | shingouz | yes |
| 01:09.08 | deadcat | how |
| 01:09.09 | cafuego | deadcat: No idea. |
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| 01:09.23 | davs | fdisk -l /dev/hda and /dev/hdb do not tell me anything |
| 01:09.51 | cafuego | davs: mount -t reiserfs /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2 /target |
| 01:09.55 | shingouz | afaik you see the difference on the screen with kismet. dragorn would be able to tell you all about it |
| 01:09.58 | couggg | cafuego : it'write that : e: sorry,you must put 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 01:10.07 | cafuego | davs: *of course* the cdrom doesn't have your partitions in fstab. |
| 01:10.19 | cafuego | couggg: Why do you think you need to compile from source? |
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| 01:10.22 | davs | hehe, ofcourse hehe |
| 01:10.35 | couggg | kernel-source |
| 01:10.48 | cafuego | couggg: apt-get install kenrel-source-version |
| 01:10.59 | Biovore | Anyone know what will happen when sarge becomes stable, what will happen to woody system using stable in APT? |
| 01:11.11 | Motoko | are there any firewall/router management tools that use ncurses? |
| 01:11.17 | cafuego | Biovore: They'll be magically upgraded to Sarge. |
| 01:11.22 | deadcat | what words can be made from ABCDEF ? i want to make a funny MAC address. |
| 01:11.35 | cafuego | deadcat: DEADBEEF DECAFBAD |
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| 01:11.43 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 01:11.43 | thd | My sarge insatllation is new. X works with nothing but a pointer on a blank screen but I cannot activate a window manager. I never had this problem in woody. Is X currently broken in sarge? What am I doing wrong? |
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| 01:12.06 | couggg | couldn't find package kernel-source |
| 01:12.12 | deadcat | cafuego: i have deadbeefcafe, i have another card to mess with |
| 01:12.13 | esher | Motoko: jay iptables firewall |
| 01:12.23 | Motoko | thanx |
| 01:12.27 | cafuego | couggg: I honestly think you shouldn't attemtp to compile your own kernel. |
| 01:12.32 | shingouz | couggg: apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 01:12.57 | couggg | apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 01:13.23 | shingouz | couggg: in a terminal, not here.. ;) |
| 01:13.31 | JoshH | jesus |
| 01:13.38 | JoshH | thats amazing |
| 01:13.40 | davs | cafuego: I typed: mount -t reiserfs /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2 /hdb and it says no such file or directory :/ |
| 01:13.41 | cafuego | See what I said earlier. |
| 01:13.48 | cafuego | davs: mkdir /target |
| 01:13.53 | mcmehl | i need some help with xfree and dualhead. Can anybody help? |
| 01:13.58 | cafuego | davs: mkdir /hdb even |
| 01:14.00 | Manoj` | damn. now I have to write up a man page |
| 01:14.04 | couggg | freeswan - IPSEC utilities for freeswan |
| 01:14.12 | cafuego | mcmehl: Yes. The question is: will they? |
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| 01:14.34 | mcmehl | i hope so... ;) |
| 01:15.05 | deadcat | whats that program called that you enter some words and it creates new words? |
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| 01:15.16 | thd | How do I force a window manager to load if the configuration files are not being read?? |
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| 01:15.25 | ludi | what about external USB modems? |
| 01:15.32 | cafuego | deadcat: 'ag' (Anagram Generator) |
| 01:15.35 | couggg | cafuego : ans: freeswan - IPSEC utilities for FReeswan |
| 01:15.36 | cafuego | ludi: No. |
| 01:15.50 | ludi | serial port only eh |
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| 01:15.59 | cafuego | ludi: Which part of "external rs232" that you were told after your initial questyion do you not understand? |
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| 01:16.13 | couggg | cafuego and then??? |
| 01:16.20 | ludi | cafuego: chill! I was just checking to see what you thought about USB |
| 01:16.22 | ludi | sheesh |
| 01:16.25 | deadcat | cafuego: sweet hooker |
| 01:16.29 | lee | neenee, valdyn, deadcat, cafuego: in case you were wondering, moving /usr/lib/tls out of the way fixed (or at least worked around) the problem, though I have no idea why. I haven't got around to installing the nvidia driver the debian way yet |
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| 01:16.37 | cafuego | couggg: I honestly think you shouldn't attemtp to compile your own kernel. |
| 01:16.40 | shingouz | couggg: you might want to go with a kernel from debian instead of compiling one on your own |
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| 01:17.47 | ludi | check out this modem: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
| 01:18.59 | cafuego | ludi: So now the question is does it support Linux with the normal serial driver or does it need a proprietary module? |
| 01:19.31 | Rokyu | hi...how can I set up various Xsessions? |
| 01:19.32 | cafuego | US$80 for a damn 56K modem is pretty steep |
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| 01:20.24 | couggg | i get one from debian on pc |
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| 01:20.40 | couggg | i get it on cdrom |
| 01:20.56 | thd | How can I set one working Xsession? |
| 01:21.40 | Rokyu | i want to have various Xsessions to be choosen by a login manager |
| 01:21.55 | cafuego | Rokyu: kdm and gdm do that automagically. |
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| 01:22.27 | abrotman | cafuego: it's a hardware modem |
| 01:22.28 | Rokyu | yes..but I want to know how to do it...u know...on terminal, with my bare hands :) |
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| 01:22.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:22.46 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:23.02 | daft_ | you can buy a good hardware modem in every 2nd hand pc shop |
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| 01:23.24 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes, but US$80 is still WAY expensive |
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| 01:23.33 | Biovore | just get an external.. problem solved.. |
| 01:23.41 | daft_ | $80 |
| 01:23.52 | madfish | can anyone tell me why I can't hear sound when I play CDs but works fine when I play mp3 files ? I'm in the audio and cdrom groups |
| 01:23.59 | cafuego | abrotman: I paid less than AU$80 for an external USR56K back in 1998! |
| 01:24.15 | cafuego | abrotman: And that contains more packaging, more hardware and a power brick |
| 01:24.28 | resiak | madfish: You're probably lacking an audio cable from your CD drive to your sound card. |
| 01:24.44 | daft_ | wtf thats 60euro I can get one for 15 |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | cafuego: yes .. they were cheaper then |
| 01:24.54 | cafuego | abrotman: a LOT cheaper |
| 01:24.56 | madfish | thanks resiak - I'll check |
| 01:24.58 | ludi | hmmm |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | cafuego: now they are a specialty item |
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| 01:25.22 | madfish | i thought that xmms etc. would play it through the sound card |
| 01:25.27 | ludi | I would hate to buy a $100 internal "hardware" modem only to find out it needs a proprietary rs232 driver |
| 01:25.31 | thd | cafuego, Rokyu: How do I get one working Xsession with my bare hands? My x install will not run a window manager or anything.? |
| 01:25.55 | daft_ | madfish the cable is the only analog way from cdrom to sound card |
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| 01:25.58 | resiak | madfish: They do. However, they use the hardware audio CD playing facility (as I understand it) whereas recent Win?? CD players extract data from the CD, which is wasteful. |
| 01:26.01 | si|vercat | what was the command to raise priority of a program again, like wine? :P |
| 01:26.06 | resiak | si|vercat: renice ? |
| 01:26.08 | daft_ | nice |
| 01:26.14 | si|vercat | thanks |
| 01:26.26 | madfish | thanks resiak ... i'll go look now |
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| 01:26.46 | Rokyu | anyone...settin up various Xsessions? |
| 01:26.50 | resiak | madfish: No problem. If you |
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| 01:27.01 | madfish | yes ? |
| 01:27.03 | resiak | madfish: 're on a laptop, as am I, then you're pretty stuck. |
| 01:27.05 | daft_ | madfish, with kde you can play mp3 from cdrom on the fly |
| 01:27.10 | Rokyu | or at least...explain how does that work.. |
| 01:27.14 | davs | cafuego: All of your advice worked and I thank you for it, grub did not come up when I restarted so I booted off the linux drive and grub came up, however: I get this error when booting any of the kernels installed: root (hd1,1) filesystem type unknown. partition type 0xf kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-10-1-k7 root=/dev/hdb2 ro Error 17 Cannot mount slected Partition |
| 01:27.21 | ludi | how about this modem, check it out: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5686E |
| 01:27.31 | madfish | i'm using kde daft_ |
| 01:27.42 | resiak | Apart from doing as daft_ says, and finding an app that extracts the data from the CD rather than using the analogue playback. |
| 01:28.21 | Kerr | I have '/dev/hdb1 /home/media ntfs noatime,defaults,users,rw,umask=0 0 0' in fstab, but /home/media is still read only. Anyone know how to make it writeable ? |
| 01:28.23 | madfish | i c .. does konqueror extract data from the cd ? |
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| 01:28.38 | Manoj` | davs: sounds like your kernel can't locate the module needed to mount the file system |
| 01:28.49 | daft_ | madfish put a audiocd in the pc and go to audiocd:/ f |
| 01:28.50 | daft_ | madfish put a audiocd in the pc and go to audiocd:/ |
| 01:28.51 | themolest | what commad can identify a motherboard from /proc info |
| 01:28.52 | aokaze | when I insert my firewiere card I get this problem on shutdown. |
| 01:28.52 | aokaze | "unmounting local filesystems...done." |
| 01:28.52 | aokaze | "no vm86_info: BAD" |
| 01:28.52 | aokaze | "/etc/rc0.d/S90halt: line 48: 2799 segmentation fault halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown" |
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| 01:28.53 | Biovore | NTFS you can't write to.. need 2.6 kernel |
| 01:28.57 | resiak | madfish: I have absolutely no idea. KDE is the spawn of Satan as far as I'm concerned :) My solution is generally just to rip the CD in any case. |
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| 01:29.01 | Manoj` | davs: does it use an initrd? in that case, you have to tell grub that it uses an initrd |
| 01:29.04 | Biovore | or recompile the 2.4 kernel to enable it |
| 01:29.06 | shingouz | ludi: now were talking |
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| 01:29.28 | cafuego | davs: You didn't use reiser4 did you? |
| 01:29.32 | davs | Ill check manoj |
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| 01:29.38 | davs | no I didnt |
| 01:29.43 | madfish | lol .. ok |
| 01:29.53 | davs | and yes grub lists the correct initrd |
| 01:29.54 | ludi | shingouz: you like that eh |
| 01:29.59 | cafuego | davs: make sure it's set to 'Linux' in fdisk. |
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| 01:30.08 | Kerr | Biovore: unmame -r says 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:30.11 | shingouz | ludi: external, rs232... yes |
| 01:30.19 | cafuego | davs: If it's not, run fdisk (from the cd) and change the partition type. |
| 01:30.26 | davs | It said Linux and had a * as bootable |
| 01:30.29 | Biovore | that the stock debian kernel? |
| 01:30.39 | Kerr | Biovore: aye it is |
| 01:30.42 | madfish | daft_, it says protocol not supported |
| 01:30.45 | Biovore | let me check.. |
| 01:30.47 | Kerr | Biovore: fresh install today O.o |
| 01:30.52 | vladster | Could someone assist me in debugging my printer settup? |
| 01:30.55 | Manoj` | cafuego: most likely a missing initrd line in grub's menu.lst |
| 01:31.04 | Biovore | you might have to recompile the kernel to enable write support.. it expermental at best still |
| 01:31.04 | resiak | vladster: Ask a question, and most likely someone will help. |
| 01:31.15 | davs | Ok Ill beb back going to boot off the cd again |
| 01:31.15 | daft_ | madfish check if you have installed kio slave its in apt-get |
| 01:31.42 | toresbe | asg: I did, and I talked to the maint of the fortunes package |
| 01:32.08 | vladster | I have the printer set up using the hpoj setup and the problem is what ever I try to print does not go to the printer |
| 01:32.09 | Kerr | Biovore: sounds like a lot of trouble. I'll just squeeze my ntfs and make another reiser partition. ~.~ |
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| 01:32.33 | abrotman | why isn't there a #linuxprinting? |
| 01:32.38 | Biovore | yeah.. probably better Idea |
| 01:32.39 | daft_ | what is the div between ext3 and reiser |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | div? |
| 01:32.48 | madfish | daft_, kdebase-kio-plugins is installed |
| 01:32.51 | daft_ | diffrence * |
| 01:32.52 | resiak | They are different FSs. |
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| 01:32.55 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:32.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | go read |
| 01:33.07 | nasty | noob question in route: |
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| 01:33.29 | abrotman | oh .. goodie .. he prepared us |
| 01:33.35 | aokaze | cant anyone help me with my problem? |
| 01:33.36 | Kerr | Biovore: know any partition managers that can resize ntfs without screwing it up :-/ ? |
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| 01:33.54 | shingouz | Kerr: fdisk ;) |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | no |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | !resize ntfs |
| 01:34.07 | resiak | Kerr: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 01:34.09 | nasty | I was an idiot, and forgot to configure my apt sources... coudl anyone /msg me with some apt sources for testing? |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | !ntfsresize |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | !ntfs resize |
| 01:34.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs resize is http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 01:34.18 | resiak | nasty: apt-setup |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | finally |
| 01:34.25 | resiak | abrotman: Beat you :) |
| 01:34.29 | nasty | oooooh, ty resiak |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | !resiak is a bot |
| 01:34.34 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 01:34.37 | Kerr | nasty: apt-setup |
| 01:35.14 | vladster | could it be a problem with the spooler setting? |
| 01:35.16 | resiak | Kerr: You're late :p |
| 01:35.29 | Kerr | from my experience reiser is better, and the benchmarks support that.. at least the ones i've seen. But, i guess FS preference, is like beer preference. everyone is different.. |
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| 01:35.41 | Kerr | resiak: was following the ntfs link.. |
| 01:35.41 | nasty | Kerr: unfortunately apt is locked by debconf and debconf won't show me the list again.. will only let me manually add them |
| 01:35.48 | abrotman | Kerr: performance is not the only issue |
| 01:35.53 | resiak | Kerr: :) |
| 01:36.06 | toresbe | How does KDE compare to GNOME on slow computers? |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | Kerr: how about stability and reliability .. recoverability? |
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| 01:36.13 | Kerr | abrotman: Reiser has never hurt me yet.. |
| 01:36.13 | nasty | kerr: could I trouble you to paste a testing line from your sources? |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | Kerr: that wasn't what i said |
| 01:36.22 | resiak | nasty: deb ftp://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | nasty: use `apt-setup` |
| 01:36.26 | nasty | thank you |
| 01:36.29 | toresbe | I've got 256 RAM and a K6-II 450 |
| 01:36.29 | shingouz | toresbe: on slow computers they buth suck. try somethi glighter like xfce |
| 01:36.38 | Kerr | nasty: you could, but i'm in the UK, so unless you are you'll be getting a laggy list. |
| 01:36.40 | toresbe | shingouz: Yeah, I'm running flux |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | toresbe: use somehting else |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | toresbe: though .. gnome ran ok with 256MB on a P4 |
| 01:37.04 | resiak | nasty: Like Kerr, I'm in the UK. That mirror is fast for me since I'm _in_ the network. Your mileage with it may vary. |
| 01:37.09 | shingouz | (dang, all those typos... i think i need some caffeine) |
| 01:37.12 | drac | toresbe: you should see www.os-works.com and xfce 4.2 packages. ;) |
| 01:37.39 | nasty | resiak: yeah, i just noticed |
| 01:37.57 | toresbe | drac: nah, I use fluxbox |
| 01:37.58 | Kerr | abrotman: All three of my machines already uses reiser.. so change ain't gonna be easy. What exactly does it do wrong, and what would you reccomend? |
| 01:38.01 | nasty | resiak: i'm looking for ibiblio in particular.. i'll probably find it on google, was just hoping for a one shotter.. I'll just stop being lazy |
| 01:38.18 | resiak | nasty: apt-setup really is your best route. |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | Kerr: i didn't say anything was wrong .. just that your criteria for selecting/recommending a FS is flawed |
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| 01:38.35 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.50 | resiak | Trev1: How interesting! ;) |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | Kerr: all you said was that "Reiser is fast" .. so is DOS |
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| 01:39.28 | Trev1 | I used invisoble ink sorry =) |
| 01:39.33 | ericb_ | got a really strange problem while mouting a nfs filesystem, if complains about RPC and program not being registered |
| 01:39.50 | Fah | I can confirm that reiser's recoverability is less than stellar when things go wrong |
| 01:39.52 | vladster | put some lemon juice on it |
| 01:39.58 | qubit | Does anyone have experience with runing squid on a debian box? (I tried #squid but the channel seems dead) |
| 01:40.01 | stew | happy friday! |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | Kerr: see what Fah said |
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| 01:40.17 | stew | qubit: if you've got a question just ask it |
| 01:40.19 | Fah | thats how I lost /var |
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| 01:40.22 | ericb_ | portmap is running; and netstat -nplt |grep 111 reports a something is listening (tcp) on 0.0.0.0:111 so I think that means portmap is correctly configured |
| 01:40.37 | Fah | the whole FS met the mallet shortly after the disk filled up and reiser freaked out |
| 01:40.42 | ericb_ | but I can't mount my nfs filesystem :( |
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| 01:41.01 | Fah | Granted that was a while ago, but it wasn't the only time I was left restoring entire file systems after problems |
| 01:41.23 | tricaric | Short message: ORSA 0.7.0 is out (yaee!!) http://orsa.sourceforge.net/download.html but we don't have a debian package yet (yes, there is an RFP). If someone is interested in packaging it, let us know. Thanks, Pasquale |
| 01:41.28 | Fah | At least with certain other fs's I'd have only had to deal with a few possibly truncated files |
| 01:41.32 | abrotman | Fah: i've heard similar horror stories |
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| 01:42.00 | abrotman | tricaric: submit an RFP |
| 01:42.17 | Fah | also, its whole btree storage makes it really hard to fix once it screws up. Undeletable zero length files, that sort of thing |
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| 01:42.33 | tricaric | abrotman: should I update the RFP we already have? |
| 01:42.33 | resiak | Fah: Of course, you had a recent backup of /var/ :) |
| 01:42.41 | Kerr | Fah: only three days ago i accidentaly filled my / partition with wav files so that a lot of stuff bust. All i had to do was remove the files and restart som bg processes. No harm done. This was with reiser. |
| 01:42.42 | qubit | I'm trying to install squid on my debian box to serve as a simple proxy. I don't get any error trying to access it locally (but it doesn't work). I do get an 'access denied' error if I try to access it from another machine |
| 01:42.44 | abrotman | tricaric: you have an RFP already submitted? |
| 01:42.44 | Fah | Granted, its often stable and fine, but ususally when it scews up you're looking at restoring the entire filey system |
| 01:42.50 | tricaric | abrotman: yep |
| 01:43.07 | Fah | Kerr: if it happened every time, it'd be easy to reproduce and fix now wouldn't it? :) |
| 01:43.08 | abrotman | tricaric: i don't see it |
| 01:43.21 | Kerr | Fah: good point |
| 01:43.30 | tricaric | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2004/08/msg01163.html |
| 01:43.46 | Kerr | Fah: i'm still a n00b, even if i were using an easy-to-fx fs, chances are i'd still not be able to.. |
| 01:43.46 | Fah | Out of ext3, xfs, reiser and jfs I've had the most disasterous experiences with reiser. Thats just me, standard disclaimers apply |
| 01:43.49 | Kerr | too^ |
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| 01:43.58 | Trev1 | ntp |
| 01:43.59 | tricaric | abrotman: it's a bit old.. |
| 01:43.59 | debian | qubit: look at the squid.conf, /ACCESS CONTROL |
| 01:44.06 | resiak | Kerr: No, to was right :) |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | tricaric: don't see it here : http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested |
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| 01:44.14 | Kerr | ah |
| 01:44.22 | debian | qubit: the comment is very detail in explanation how it works. |
| 01:44.24 | Fah | I mean, I wouldn't run a newserver on ext3, but its pretty damn reliable |
| 01:44.31 | qubit | (I didn't modify the acl's in the squid.conf file, but there are lines in there that seem to allow localhost) |
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| 01:44.49 | debian | qubit: exactly |
| 01:44.55 | Kerr | Fah: if you had a new box infront of you, what filesystem would you use? |
| 01:45.05 | Fah | Kerr: whats the box for? |
| 01:45.07 | tricaric | abrotman: hmm... what does it mean? Shoud I submit an RFP again? |
| 01:45.13 | Kerr | Fah: desktop. |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | tricaric: dunno .. |
| 01:45.33 | Newport | hi my printer.. "hp photosmart 8100" has a 4x6 photo papper tray.. can someone tell me how to print to this using gimp? i can only print to the normal paper tray and im using hp's drivers for the printer |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | tricaric: maybe you did it wrong? |
| 01:45.35 | Fah | Kerr: well, currently I'm using xfs. Otherwise I'd probably use ext3 |
| 01:45.46 | resiak | Fah: Have you a UPS? |
| 01:45.46 | debian | qubit: you need to add two more line for non-local access: acl and http_access |
| 01:45.57 | Fah | resiak: actually, yes. |
| 01:46.01 | resiak | Fah: Good :)) |
| 01:46.06 | Fah | resiak: yes :) |
| 01:46.07 | Kerr | Fah: Xfs was my second choice, after reading various benchmarks.. |
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| 01:46.12 | qubit | debian: except I don't want remote access... |
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| 01:46.19 | toresbe | I have a UPS, but it seems to be broken :\ |
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| 01:46.27 | tricaric | abrotman: yes, can be. I'll send and updated RFP to be sure. |
| 01:46.29 | resiak | !lose toresbe |
| 01:46.30 | dpkg | toresbe: You Lose. |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | tricaric: ok |
| 01:46.38 | tricaric | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:46.40 | resiak | Doh, dpkg has a lame lose $1 factoid. |
| 01:46.40 | Fah | Kerr: the benchmarks are bullshit. For most people you just wind up staring up an app and waiting in an event loop |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | tricaric: sorry |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | tricaric: have you guys thought about maintaining your own packages? |
| 01:46.54 | hettar | can anyone give me a pointer to getting opengl to work with ati/debian ? |
| 01:46.55 | abrotman | tricaric: at least for now |
| 01:46.57 | si|vercat | ??alsa 2.6 |
| 01:47.00 | resiak | !ati |
| 01:47.00 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:47.11 | Fah | I mean, sure. in theory it matters what fs you use. But honestly, if I didn't know what fs a box was using I'd never be able to tell the diference |
| 01:47.22 | Kerr | feh, abrotman; thanks for the tips. I'll likely use xfs when i next install debian somewhere. |
| 01:47.28 | Fah | I dont care if mozilla opens .02 seconds faster :) |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | Kerr: make sure you have a UPS |
| 01:47.38 | Kerr | Fah^ |
| 01:47.42 | tricaric | abrotman: yes, that's an option... but this is not a big project, and all the forces now are in developing... |
| 01:47.42 | abrotman | Kerr: if you really want something .. durable .. use ext3 |
| 01:47.53 | Fah | Kerr: what abrotman said. Unplugging an xfs box is really bad |
| 01:47.54 | qubit | debian: here are the lines I thought would allow access acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 |
| 01:48.00 | Fah | I completely agree with abrotman |
| 01:48.06 | Kerr | abrotman: Too poor, by far. I'm a student. all of my cvash is diverted ot other resources (alcohol) |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | tricaric: well .. once you get the basical layout for a package .. you just keep the /debian directory |
| 01:48.14 | nasty | resiak: kernel 2.6 apt-get install kernel-sources ? |
| 01:48.16 | Kerr | cash^ |
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| 01:48.28 | resiak | nasty: I'm sorry? |
| 01:48.31 | abrotman | Kerr: doesn't change after college :) |
| 01:48.42 | nasty | resiak: sorry, for kernel 2.6 package name? |
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| 01:48.46 | resiak | Quite how bad is "bad" wrt XFS? |
| 01:48.59 | resiak | nasty: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 maybe? |
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| 01:49.04 | abrotman | tricaric: if you did some of the initial work .. you might be able to get a current maintainer to take it over |
| 01:49.10 | elnovato | aomebody said alcohol??? salit!! |
| 01:49.15 | nasty | ah yes, i remember no.. been a while since i've been on a debian box, thanks again |
| 01:49.19 | Fah | Kerr: for a desktop you'd be hard pressed to go wrong with ext3. I really doubt youd tell the difference |
| 01:49.23 | Kerr | I'd try to get a UPS from ebay, but i've had bad experiences with ebay and electronics ~.~ |
| 01:49.24 | tricaric | abrotman: yes, that's true. But for an experienced Debian developer, that would be so much easier |
| 01:49.26 | resiak | nasty: No porblme. |
| 01:49.28 | cmr | does anyone know of a tool that can alter a FAT32 volume label? |
| 01:49.33 | qubit | debian: sorry, here: acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 // acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 // http_access allow localhost |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | tricaric: if you need help .. there is a #debian-mentors channel |
| 01:49.39 | skyisblue | nasty: or aptitude "u" "/" "kernel-image-2.6" |
| 01:49.44 | Fah | resiak: well, in the event of a power outage you could have pretty siginficant data loss |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | tricaric: i'd try .. but ick .. Qt :) |
| 01:50.11 | Kerr | Fah: last thing i used was ext2, and mandrake 9. I guess when i chose reiser i was determined to get as far from anything that reminded me of that distro as possible. |
| 01:50.14 | tricaric | abrotman: nice channel, thanks! |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | tricaric: be gentle with them |
| 01:50.25 | Takedo | !list |
| 01:50.25 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 01:50.28 | tricaric | abrotman: ok ;) |
| 01:50.28 | Fah | Kerr: you can convert ext2 to ext3 :) |
| 01:50.36 | dli | my mic doesn't hear anything :( how to find it back? |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | plug it in |
| 01:50.56 | dli | abrotman, it's in |
| 01:50.56 | abrotman | !eat toresbe |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | elnovato: i'm gonna tell your mom |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | resiak: i'd do it :) |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | resiak: it's like NTFS all over again |
| 01:51.31 | dli | abrotman, and it works in windows :( |
| 01:51.34 | Kerr | so, err.. sarge's partman has ntfsresize built into it, so for non-destructive resizing.. i just use partman ? |
| 01:51.42 | Kerr | seems far too easy. |
| 01:51.48 | Kerr | where's the catch? |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | dli: alsa? |
| 01:51.52 | resiak | abrotman: What, leave it?! |
| 01:51.59 | skyisblue | !eat dpkg |
| 01:51.59 | dli | abrotman, yeah |
| 01:51.59 | qubit | debian: you still there? |
| 01:52.02 | Fah | resiak: I've had the power go out and nothing bad happened. I mean, like I said before. If it was that easy to reproduce, it'd be fixed. However..... I can testify first hand that it does occur |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | dli: well .. i don't do alsa .. |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | dli: ask #alsa if you're missing something simple maybe? |
| 01:52.29 | resiak | Fah: Yeah. Ack well.. |
| 01:52.39 | Kerr | !eat everything |
| 01:52.43 | Kerr | O.o |
| 01:52.45 | debian | qubit: yes? |
| 01:52.52 | Kerr | ye arg, we is eatenified! |
| 01:52.59 | Newport | does anyone know how to print to the upper on a printer using gimp? |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | !fart |
| 01:53.03 | skyisblue | :P |
| 01:53.06 | shingouz | now just an after dinner mint for dpkg.. |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:53.27 | qubit | debian: oh, I just was wondering if you got the list of lines from squid.conf I pasted in |
| 01:53.29 | abrotman | wait .. isn't that sudo? |
| 01:53.33 | debian | qubit: you wanna make a publich squid that can be access by everybody? |
| 01:53.34 | resiak | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 01:53.40 | abrotman | you have to be root to sync? |
| 01:53.49 | resiak | abrotman: I assumed so. |
| 01:53.51 | qubit | debian: I thought that those would allow access to the proxy from localhost.. no? |
| 01:53.56 | elnovato | abrotman: i dont want to use Quanta again, it need KDE components right? |
| 01:53.56 | Kerr | so.. i just use partman to resize my ntfs drive? |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | resiak: i don't htink so |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | elnovato: bluefish ? |
| 01:54.12 | debian | qubit: if you wanna establish such a public squid, pls send me your IP. :P |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | resiak: heh |
| 01:54.16 | resiak | abrotman: :) |
| 01:54.17 | toresbe | no, you can sync as ordinary user |
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| 01:54.20 | shingouz | abrotman: just tried sync as a user. looks like it works |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | shingouz: i didn't think i was crazy :) |
| 01:54.35 | tak_ | how many inodes are there per gigabyte? |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | tak_: you decide that |
| 01:54.53 | Fah | I never used jfs personally, so I didn't mention it. No first hand experieice either way with it |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | resiak: good spelling no? |
| 01:55.15 | tak_ | abrotman: there is no typical range/amount? |
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| 01:55.20 | skyisblue | Kerr: search sf.net there is ntfs resize tool. i had used it. |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | tak_: right now .. i can't even remember how to check how many |
| 01:55.33 | tak_ | abrotman: so I can make more inodes than bits of disk space? |
| 01:55.40 | qubit | debian: uhh...not public. only accessible to localhost. those lines don't specify that? |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | tak_: nope |
| 01:55.43 | daft_ | skyisblue, have you heard of qtparted |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | tak_: wait .. |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | !inodes |
| 01:55.51 | daft_ | parted btw* |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | !inode |
| 01:55.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, inode is the basic unit of disk allocation for Unix filesystems. about 64 nybbles |
| 01:55.58 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:56.01 | skyisblue | daft_: no. what is it? |
| 01:56.10 | tak_ | 64 nybbles??? |
| 01:56.10 | elnovato | do we have something like Avalon (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=C8F904E1-B4CA-402B-ACCF-AAA2BD60DA74&displaylang=en) on linux?? |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | tak_: when you create the FS .. it creates the inodes .. if you do it badly .. it can screw you up later |
| 01:56.22 | abrotman | elnovato: tell us what it does |
| 01:56.24 | shingouz | ouch |
| 01:56.24 | Fah | thats a pretty crass url |
| 01:56.26 | daft_ | skyisblue, some tool to resize partitions also ntfs |
| 01:56.33 | Kerr | skyisblue: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html#example says partman has ntfsresize.. |
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| 01:56.38 | debian | qubit: what's the problem accessing it locally |
| 01:56.42 | daft_ | skyisblue, it is even on the sarge cd |
| 01:56.44 | elnovato | abrotman: i dunno, they (ms orks) talks about it to much |
| 01:56.46 | resiak | elnovato: Which bit of it? |
| 01:56.57 | qubit | debian: that's the problem -- I don't get any debug output |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | elnovato: oh .. well .. when you figure out what it does .. come back and ask us again |
| 01:57.00 | tak_ | abrotman, will im running e2fsck and it's on inode 7,809,094 and im wondering how many more inodes i have to go before it's done |
| 01:57.05 | skyisblue | i see. |
| 01:57.16 | qubit | debian: I tried to set http_proxy=http://localhost:3128 and use lynx |
| 01:57.16 | resiak | elnovato: As I understand it, it's eye candy. Look into X.org and freedesktop.org. |
| 01:57.19 | tak_ | abrotman: it's a 9 gig hard disk drive |
| 01:57.25 | qubit | debian: but lynx just sits there on its ass |
| 01:57.31 | daft_ | skyisblue, are you using kde? |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | tak_: i forget how to see how many |
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| 01:57.52 | Fah | elnovato: you want a unified presentation system? Dude. This is linux. We don't even have a unified desktop :) |
| 01:57.53 | skyisblue | daft_: non-X11 for old comp. |
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| 01:58.05 | vladster | what is the file needed to play windows media files on mplayer? |
| 01:58.06 | debian | qubit: what distro? |
| 01:58.09 | Kerr | is it safe to use sarge's partman on my ntfs drive? |
| 01:58.11 | skyisblue | daft_: gnome 2.8.2 |
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| 01:58.21 | resiak | Kerr: Why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:58.26 | daft_ | skyisblue, apt-cache search parted sould do it |
| 01:58.55 | Kerr | resiak: because everything i do is fail. I wanted someone to blame asaide myself when it all goes quite horribly wrong :) |
| 01:59.06 | qubit | debian: testing |
| 01:59.12 | resiak | Kerr: I see no reason why it should work any worse than any other partman. |
| 01:59.31 | skyisblue | daft_: i don't have to use ntfs anymore, i am using each HDDs |
| 01:59.40 | vladster | would that be the w32codecs |
| 01:59.41 | debian | qubit: have you modified any lines in squid.conf? |
| 01:59.49 | Kerr | resiak: because i'm in control of it, it will spontaneously combust. |
| 01:59.52 | daft_ | :o nm then keep it in mind :) |
| 01:59.53 | resiak | Kerr: I see. |
| 02:00.03 | qubit | debian: yes, but only a few |
| 02:00.26 | skyisblue | daft_: actually i need more external HDD stuff. |
| 02:00.33 | debian | qubit: like? |
| 02:00.48 | daft_ | skyisblue, why not a bigger hd? |
| 02:00.50 | qubit | debian: one sec |
| 02:00.53 | qubit | debian: sible_hostname quaver.kiewit.dartmouth.edu |
| 02:01.04 | qubit | debian: sorry, that's "visible..." |
| 02:01.05 | skyisblue | daft_: maybe i should buy rack mount or something |
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| 02:01.37 | debian | qubit: and? |
| 02:01.44 | verny | anyone know a good plug in for fiefox that is similar to wmp |
| 02:01.49 | qubit | debian: umm.. that looks like it |
| 02:01.52 | CurryPork | i losti lost my display gui capabilities , might have removed x windows libraries, can anyone help me reinstall the needed libs n dependencies? my display gui capabilities , might have removed x windows libraries, can anyone help me reinstall the needed libs n dependencies? |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | verny: irc.mozilla.org |
| 02:02.06 | tak_ | how many inodes would you 'guess' are on a 9 gig drive? less than a million? more than a trillion? |
| 02:02.06 | qubit | debian: I used all of the other default values |
| 02:02.07 | skyisblue | daft_: coz it is more clear and safer and ... |
| 02:02.09 | daft_ | or a old ps as fileserver found a 486 for 5 euro |
| 02:02.09 | verny | abrotman, thnx |
| 02:02.19 | daft_ | pc* |
| 02:02.26 | debian | qubit: that's strange. Nothing get in your way like local firewall something? |
| 02:02.30 | elnovato | 255 mb for a damn avalon demo... hell! |
| 02:02.41 | qubit | debian: not that I can think of |
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| 02:02.42 | Kerr | Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system. .. now i've established that partmant won't !eat my ntfs... how the frell do i access it ~.~ ? |
| 02:02.48 | vladster | curry pork with pupadoms and mango chutney? |
| 02:02.49 | abrotman | elnovato: this is #debian |
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| 02:02.57 | abrotman | elnovato: if you want to discuss that stuff ... go elsewhere |
| 02:03.02 | CurryPork | i lost my display gui capabilities , might have removed x windows libraries, can anyone help me reinstall the needed libs n dependencies? |
| 02:03.03 | skyisblue | verny: forum in http://mozillazine.org |
| 02:03.11 | debian | qubit: purge it and reinstall. |
| 02:03.20 | daft_ | Kerr, is that busybox your talking about? |
| 02:03.24 | qubit | debian: I have iptables rules, but they allow anything from 129.170.0.0/16 |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | #iptables ? |
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| 02:03.57 | skyisblue | qubit: http://www.qubit.org XD |
| 02:04.00 | debian | qubit: bring down the iptables and try again |
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| 02:04.13 | qubit | debian: what about FORWARD? the default value is drop but I dont' ahve any rules in there |
| 02:04.26 | debian | qubit: just bring it down and try |
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| 02:04.35 | Kerr | daft_: I just want to resize my ntfs partition. I'm quite drunk and bewildered. I know that partman works, but packages.debian.org tells me not to use it? |
| 02:04.52 | qubit | debian: yeah, sorry I got that off before I read your response. |
| 02:05.01 | daft_ | Kerr, apt-cache search parted |
| 02:05.18 | debian | qubit: no worry. |
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| 02:06.40 | resiak | !kick the world's BitchX users |
| 02:06.42 | Kerr | daft_: Moran Taing :) |
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| 02:07.13 | daft_ | Kerr, you might want qtparted |
| 02:07.20 | shingouz | any ircops on the channel? |
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| 02:07.29 | Kerr | bitchx ~.~ eww |
| 02:07.34 | PhD | hello to everyone... i need save a web site with wget, but this don't detect a directory... what can i do? |
| 02:07.41 | qubit | debian: yeah, sorry I got that off before I read your response. |
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| 02:07.42 | debian | shingouz: #staff |
| 02:07.47 | shingouz | k. thanks |
| 02:07.55 | dli | PhD: wget -r |
| 02:07.55 | daft_ | wget -r |
| 02:08.01 | tak_ | what is a typical number of inodes for a 10 gig drive? |
| 02:08.06 | debian | shingouz: but you probably can't speak there |
| 02:08.08 | PhD | i do this |
| 02:08.09 | abrotman | Fah: i'll read it now |
| 02:08.13 | tak_ | would you say there are trillions of inodes? |
| 02:08.26 | PhD | i use wget -r and wget -r -np |
| 02:08.28 | shingouz | the channel is empty :( |
| 02:08.32 | tak_ | or maybe 1024^24 inodes? |
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| 02:08.34 | skyisblue | Kerr: go to http://sf.net/search and type "ntfs" you will know it. |
| 02:08.38 | PhD | but wget don't detect the directory :( |
| 02:08.40 | Fah | abrotman: cool. It was pretty enlightening and neatly explained whe I've never had the same issues with ext3. |
| 02:08.41 | mlewis00 | PhD: Unless robots.txt has excluded that directory... |
| 02:08.44 | pedro | PhD, mirror |
| 02:08.45 | resiak | PhD: wget works on links, afaik. |
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| 02:08.57 | pedro | PhD, -m should work |
| 02:09.07 | pedro | try the man dude |
| 02:09.08 | PhD | i will try... |
| 02:09.22 | abrotman | !fs comparison is also http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 02:09.22 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:09.47 | bbhill | skyisblue: how is it going? |
| 02:09.55 | Fah | heh, cool. |
| 02:10.01 | skyisblue | downloading. |
| 02:10.18 | skyisblue | through aptitude |
| 02:10.36 | bbhill | Does anyone know if there is an SSL plugin for irssi? I really dont want to use bitchx. |
| 02:10.55 | vladster | skyisblue, I did it with a cwd5001 using flux |
| 02:10.55 | mlewis00 | skyisblue: Got a fast HDD for swap? |
| 02:11.11 | skyisblue | no |
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| 02:11.22 | vladster | I have 128 megs in it though |
| 02:11.35 | mlewis00 | skyisblue: Probably will be verrry slowww.... |
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| 02:11.56 | resiak | bbhill: http://www.garion.org/irssi/features.php (third google result for irssi ssl) |
| 02:12.01 | xtapo | Hellllp. |
| 02:12.02 | dnb | hi.. are there any application like partition magic for linux ? |
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| 02:12.37 | skyisblue | mlewis00: :) |
| 02:12.49 | resiak | bbhill: From /help connect: -ssl: use SSL when connecting |
| 02:12.49 | mlewis00 | skyisblue: Unless you run X without Gnome / KDE ... that might work a /little/ faster :-) |
| 02:12.57 | xtapo | I'm on debian unstable (don't yell at me) and recently, it updated *something* and now I'm unable to play DVDs or play my music (Ogg vorbis) |
| 02:13.07 | resiak | Weehoo, abrotman! ^^ |
| 02:13.10 | bbhill | resiak: thank you. |
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| 02:13.47 | d0t | if you have a fast PC, and havent seen it, check out 'tdfsb' - A 3D filesystem browser |
| 02:13.54 | d0t | by far one of the coolest finds i've had in a while... |
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| 02:14.38 | skyisblue | d0t: beagle project in gnome is coolest thing to me |
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| 02:15.15 | d0t | hmm,, havent seen it |
| 02:15.20 | d0t | checkin it out now! |
| 02:15.21 | d0t | :D |
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| 02:15.48 | skyisblue | ~:-/ |
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| 02:15.57 | Kerr | the resize function on qptparted is greyed out? |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | resiak: xtapo ? |
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| 02:16.35 | si|vercat | what happened, insmod doesn't work anymore.. can't read anything |
| 02:16.39 | si|vercat | modprobe works fine |
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| 02:16.43 | xuser | if you power a mobo without the ram and only processor you should see something in monitor right? |
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| 02:16.57 | Repentista | alguem brasil |
| 02:16.59 | resiak | abrotman: Could be the same thing. Just wondered. |
| 02:17.01 | cafuego | xuser: no, it will beep a few times and not boot. |
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| 02:17.22 | cafuego | xuser: Specifically, it should give you the "no ram" beep sequence. |
| 02:17.30 | cafuego | !br |
| 02:17.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:17.30 | Bogaurd | yay my kernal just finished compiling :D |
| 02:17.37 | Bogaurd | real 104m17.189s |
| 02:17.39 | Repentista | alguem brasil |
| 02:17.44 | Bogaurd | not bad for my celeron300 :D |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | resiak: it's possible |
| 02:17.51 | cafuego | Repentista: #debian-br |
| 02:17.51 | Repentista | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.53 | abrotman | resiak: still doesn't fix it :) |
| 02:17.58 | resiak | abrotman: That's true. :) |
| 02:18.05 | si|vercat | how can I check if insmod is reading from the right dir? |
| 02:18.08 | mlewis00 | xuser: You might need to also power up a HDD or something to load the power supply... |
| 02:18.11 | xuser | cafuego but shouldn't i see the mobo brand and that stuff |
| 02:18.12 | xuser | ? |
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| 02:19.18 | cafuego | xuser: no, coz it would fail post |
| 02:19.18 | Kerr | qtparted man is empty, and parted asppears to have none. When i right-hand click on my ntfs drive to resize it, resize is greyed out... how can i make the option available? |
| 02:20.03 | xuser | cafuego so getting a black screen or nothing is normal in this case right? |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | xuser: you won't see anything |
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| 02:20.42 | abrotman | xuser: it shold beep a few times .. and stop .. if anyhting at all |
| 02:20.52 | Eclipser | should I unmount disk partitions before running badblock on it? |
| 02:21.02 | xuser | cafuego abrotman k thanks |
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| 02:21.31 | Xsquared | hey, how would i make all incomming traffic on a port redirect to another computer ? |
| 02:21.35 | kd6pag | "Help! Mr. Wizard!!" I've got three partition RAID5 with one bad partition and the other two out-of-sync (disk controller flaked out briefly). RTFM not very helpful... |
| 02:21.40 | abrotman | Xsquared: iptables |
| 02:21.50 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 02:21.50 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 02:21.54 | Xsquared | abrotman: yeah, i know |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | Xsquared: so ask #iptables ? |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | read some docs? |
| 02:22.12 | Xsquared | abrotman: there's such a channel? |
| 02:22.14 | Xsquared | abrotman: k |
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| 02:22.28 | dodgyville | Hello |
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| 02:22.45 | dodgyville | Is there anyway to tell which packages I haven't used in months and can uninstall? |
| 02:22.46 | abrotman | kd6pag: you should tell someone you've been hacking lnux for 30 years |
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| 02:22.53 | tak_ | is there a way to tag system files that shouldn't change and have it verified with a checksum nightly? |
| 02:22.59 | si|vercat | my insmod is broken after I installed a new kernel, how do I fix it? |
| 02:23.00 | kd6pag | One of the prospective partition has a bad checksum. How do it fix it?? |
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| 02:23.19 | abrotman | kd6pag: is it a hardware RAID controller? |
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| 02:23.35 | kd6pag | No, software RAID5, LINUX 2.6.10 |
| 02:24.11 | kd6pag | PowerMac 8500/G3 upgrade |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:24.18 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 02:24.37 | abrotman | kd6pag: i'd guess you're screwed .. but i don't do software raid .. maybe ##linux might have some insight |
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| 02:24.59 | abrotman | kd6pag: i'd think a person with 30 yrs exp would know better than to trust software raid |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | or maybe you've been doing UnixWare for the last 20 :) |
| 02:25.33 | mobius | n/away |
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| 02:25.41 | kd6pag | abrotman: A web search found a SPARC hacker who fixed one of these, but it involved some strange handwaving... Not useful here. |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | kd6pag: this is on debian? |
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| 02:26.19 | skyisblue | Kerr: are you there? |
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| 02:26.31 | kd6pag | Debian/Testing |
| 02:26.32 | raid5 | kd6pag, : what FS is on them? |
| 02:26.40 | hettar | anyone know why gl apps would work in a window but not full screen ? |
| 02:26.48 | kd6pag | ext2 |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | oh dear god |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | really .. you would think someone with 30 yrs experience would know better |
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| 02:27.13 | Kerr | skyisblue: aye |
| 02:27.18 | ryphle | is it better to set up a print server on a home netowrk with cups or lpd? |
| 02:27.25 | hettar | cups |
| 02:27.31 | skyisblue | Kerr: http://linux-ntfs.sf.net and see ntfstools |
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| 02:28.00 | hettar | possibly with samba if you have windows boxes as well |
| 02:28.07 | raid5 | kd6pag, : if its RAID5 whats the problem? the party should be spread around all 3 disks |
| 02:28.09 | qubit | debian: sorry, I fell off the earth there |
| 02:28.11 | Kerr | skyisblue: already there |
| 02:28.19 | raid5 | s/party/parity/ |
| 02:28.19 | skyisblue | ok |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | raid5: it's not hardware |
| 02:28.21 | qubit | debian: I fixed it |
| 02:28.24 | Kerr | skyisblue: but, thanks :) |
| 02:28.30 | skyisblue | ha |
| 02:28.55 | qubit | debian: all I had to do was to put a line in iptables: ACCEPT all -- localhost anywhere |
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| 02:29.08 | raid5 | hmm interesting.. |
| 02:29.41 | qubit | (I guess that my other rules didn't include that....for some reason :P ) |
| 02:29.43 | qubit | who |
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| 02:30.08 | raid5 | kd6pag, : did you use LVM? |
| 02:30.09 | kd6pag | raid5: Right, in principle i should be OK if i can foce a resync, but one of the root blocks [forget the exact term] has one bit difference in its signagture and a bad checksum according to mdadm. |
| 02:30.42 | nasty | er, i just did apt-get to get gcc and when I try to make menuconfig it tells me gcc command not found >< |
| 02:30.49 | Atropine | dpatch.make is the equivalent of diff ? |
| 02:30.54 | kd6pag | s/root block/superblock/ |
| 02:31.15 | qubit | help |
| 02:31.21 | kd6pag | raid5: LVM+? |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | !b-e nasty |
| 02:31.22 | dpkg | nasty: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:31.26 | kd6pag | raid5: LVM=? |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | nasty: but please tell me you're not going to compile a kernel |
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| 02:31.39 | shingouz | is there some program that can use call Skype users besides Skype which is... welll... skype :( |
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| 02:31.42 | nasty | abrotman: I am |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | no you're not |
| 02:31.48 | nasty | yes, i am |
| 02:31.49 | abrotman | nasty: why?> |
| 02:31.59 | nasty | because the one that came on this CD is bloated |
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| 02:32.03 | abrotman | fucktard |
| 02:32.04 | nasty | I don't like fat ladies |
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| 02:32.17 | simonrvn | @lart nasty |
| 02:32.28 | nasty | hehe |
| 02:32.30 | kd6pag | *squeak*! |
| 02:32.35 | Guest46865 | I have installed debian from a netinstall, but when I run startx it sasy "modprobe: cannot locate module i810" |
| 02:32.38 | daft_ | is there a way to set the size of tmpfs afterboot? |
| 02:32.39 | nasty | abrotman: doubtful |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | nasty: care to make a bet? |
| 02:32.51 | nasty | yes |
| 02:32.53 | nasty | actually |
| 02:32.55 | nasty | your balls |
| 02:32.59 | nasty | I want them |
| 02:33.00 | simonrvn | daft_: /etc/default/; |
| 02:33.01 | nasty | in a jar |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:33.04 | nasty | when I'm done |
| 02:33.08 | simonrvn | @ops |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | !tell nasty about kp |
| 02:33.09 | ravenbird | Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM PLEASE. :) |
| 02:33.15 | skyisblue | nasty: standard debian not much fat actually it slim. |
| 02:33.36 | nasty | skyisblue: I know, I wouldn't do this on a normal system |
| 02:33.58 | nasty | Hello friendly #debian ops |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | i'm not even sure what that means |
| 02:34.08 | abrotman | nvz: what did i do? |
| 02:34.27 | lakcaj | Guest46865, what happens when you try "modprobe i810" as root? |
| 02:34.30 | nvz | abrotman: esp.pl |
| 02:34.36 | abrotman | nvz: pittsburgh? |
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| 02:34.43 | lakcaj | Guest46865, or "modprobe -l | grep i810" |
| 02:34.48 | abrotman | nvz: what did i do? .. i didn't call ops |
| 02:35.02 | daft_ | of for the simple mind modconf |
| 02:35.03 | nvz | abrotman: ah, it was simon |
| 02:35.10 | rabble | what's the best package for converting between vairous mp3 type formats, including mp4, aac, wav, etc... |
| 02:35.13 | abrotman | nvz: maybe you should change htat |
| 02:35.25 | Atropine | May anyone tell me if dpatch.make is the equivalent of diff ? as dpatch is an equivalent to patch |
| 02:35.25 | skyisblue | now i installed x-window and fluxbox what should i do, thx. |
| 02:35.27 | nvz | abrotman: yep |
| 02:35.51 | Fusionpit | lakcaj, do you actually know how to start the sshd? |
| 02:35.55 | simonrvn | skyisblue: ask one of the bots about xsession |
| 02:35.55 | daft_ | skyisblue, make a nice menu |
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| 02:36.01 | Fusionpit | So I don;t have to go to my room to do stuff |
| 02:36.18 | lakcaj | Fusionpit, start sshd? I thought you were doing a startx? |
| 02:36.19 | simonrvn | potty mouths ^^^ |
| 02:36.21 | skyisblue | simonrvn: thx |
| 02:36.37 | lakcaj | Fusionpit, if you want to start sshd, do a "/etc/init.d/ssh start" |
| 02:36.44 | Fusionpit | I am, but if I have ssh running I can do it from here instead of my room |
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| 02:37.29 | lakcaj | I don't think you can start X remotely like that. I'm not 100% sure though... someone more knowledgable than I would likely know. |
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| 02:37.54 | lakcaj | sorry, you meant the modprobe... gotcha |
| 02:37.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: you ruffled all of them |
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| 02:38.06 | Fusionpit | omgh4x:~# modprobe -l | grep i810 |
| 02:38.06 | Fusionpit | omgh4x:~# modprobe i810 |
| 02:38.06 | Fusionpit | modprobe: Can't locate module i810 |
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| 02:38.19 | lakcaj | Fusionpit, what kernel are you using? |
| 02:38.22 | mentor | simonrvn: Read your factoid. |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | Fusionpit: uname -r |
| 02:38.23 | lakcaj | uname -r |
| 02:38.31 | Fusionpit | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 02:38.36 | lakcaj | wow |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | !tell Fusionpit about real kernel |
| 02:38.48 | Biovore | potato? |
| 02:39.02 | qubit | help |
| 02:39.03 | dli | any simple audio recorder? |
| 02:39.05 | simonrvn | mentor: yes. nasty was being rather potty mouthed to one of the people, for no apparent reason. |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | Biovore: woody |
| 02:39.14 | Biovore | ah ok.. |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: not exactly for no reason |
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| 02:39.27 | Atropine | heh, i run an unstable with a 2.2 :P |
| 02:39.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@tso-gw.edotso.com] by mentor |
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| 02:39.55 | mlewis00 | mentor: What did kd6pag do? |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | he didn't |
| 02:39.59 | Atropine | but it's on a virtual machine so... i don't care too much |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | i think he oopsed |
| 02:40.07 | dondelelcaro | Fusionpit: you can start X remotely, but unless you're actually on that machine, there's really no point. |
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| 02:40.27 | Fusionpit | If I get it to start, then i'll be at that machine |
| 02:40.30 | lakcaj | dondelelcaro, that was my misinterpretation of what he wanted to do. |
| 02:40.36 | mlewis00 | mentor: Oh, sorry :) |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | kd6pag: that wasn't intentional i don't believe |
| 02:41.03 | mentor | abrotman: Please refrain from the abusive behaviour. |
| 02:41.10 | kd6pag | abrotman: I figured soimething like that. |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | mentor: sorry .. |
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| 02:41.24 | mentor | abrotman: Failure to do so will result in a ban. |
| 02:41.27 | Atropine | May anyone tell me if dpatch.make is the equivalent of diff as dpatch is an equivalent to patch ? please |
| 02:41.36 | CLucas916 | anyone know of a GUI frontend for apt? |
| 02:41.50 | The_Vulture | CLucas916: yes |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | CLucas916: there is synaptic . it's not so good .. but usable |
| 02:42.04 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: that doesn't make any sense. dpatch is one of the many ways of applying patches to Debian packages. |
| 02:42.09 | kd6pag | raid5: I did try 'mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md1 /dev/sda8 /dev/sdb8 ... but not luck. |
| 02:42.12 | CLucas916 | The_Vulture, u wanna tell me what its called? |
| 02:42.13 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: it uses diff and patch to do its job. |
| 02:42.14 | CtrlAltDel | dselect is as gui as i use for apt |
| 02:42.14 | lakcaj | CLucas916, or look at aptitude |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:42.16 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:42.38 | CLucas916 | lakcaj, k |
| 02:42.40 | MrP | Hello |
| 02:42.45 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: Yes, and how to create dpatch patches, do i need to use dpatch.make ? |
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| 02:43.02 | Atropine | i mean, do i have to use it in the "rules" file ? |
| 02:43.05 | MrP | What would cause a "Segmentation Fault" whenever I try to open Karamba, or whenever any multimedia on the internet tries to use the vlc plugin? |
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| 02:43.22 | CLucas916 | The_Vulture, whats the one u know of? |
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| 02:43.32 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: no, that's used specifically for the debian/rules file. |
| 02:43.36 | The_Vulture | CLucas916: synaptic |
| 02:43.42 | CLucas916 | oh |
| 02:44.10 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: so i can add dpatch.make in my rules file safely right ? |
| 02:44.33 | Atropine | an other question is, is the patch created from the orig file ? |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | nasty: it's ok .. the kernel that comes with debian is quite good .. and many people mess up compiling thier own when there is no real need |
| 02:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: yes, include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make; iirc... but this is all documented in the dpatch manpage, which you need to read before you implement it. |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | nasty: so .. we get lots of people who think they need to build one .. then yell at us for telling them not to do that :) |
| 02:45.38 | raid5 | kd6pag, : hmm..can you check the status on the RAID5 mirror? |
| 02:45.41 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: yes, i'm reading it, just wondered as reading |
| 02:45.46 | Kerr | Konqueror tells me protocol unsupported: file ... ... maybe i shouldn't have uninstalled so much kde stuff. whay packages should i put back in to fix that? |
| 02:45.48 | nasty | abrotman: yeah, normally, I wouldn't but I'm reaching for every little bit of resources I can with this machine :P |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | nasty: how slow is it? |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | or low RAm? |
| 02:46.17 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: yeah, I personally don't use dpatch for my packages, prefering to call diff and patch myself... but quite a few DDs like it |
| 02:46.21 | nasty | P3 450.. 128megs ram |
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| 02:46.25 | nasty | not too slow |
| 02:46.32 | nasty | but it's all they'll give me here at work |
| 02:46.40 | raid5 | kd6pag, : what does it say when you try to mount md1? |
| 02:46.51 | raid5 | whats a good site for fluxbox themes? |
| 02:46.58 | raid5 | been to themedepot :) |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | nasty: that's not too bad .. i don't compile kernels on boxes with 64MB and P200 .. i used to . but i found it's not really worth it anymore |
| 02:47.20 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: is written in the new maintainer's guide: |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | nasty: i'd try the debian one for a bit .. if it's really that bad .. compile your own |
| 02:47.25 | Atropine | ah, crap |
| 02:47.27 | Atropine | not what i meant |
| 02:47.28 | Atropine | lol |
| 02:47.29 | Atropine | sorry |
| 02:47.43 | mlewis00 | Kerr: #debian-kde ? |
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| 02:47.49 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: will a sponsor mind if this is not used ? |
| 02:47.50 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: it may be mentioned there along with cdbs... it's just not necessary to use it, though. |
| 02:47.59 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: oh, a sponsor usually won't care. |
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| 02:48.05 | Atropine | oh, ok |
| 02:48.08 | Atropine | thanks |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | though damn it . i did have the 2.6.8-686-smp lock on a Dual PPro200 today |
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| 02:48.21 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: unless you have a whole bunch of patches that you need to apply, there's really no point. |
| 02:48.23 | Atropine | i don't feel like the need of it anyways |
| 02:48.35 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: nah, it's a small package |
| 02:48.40 | Atropine | thanks :) |
| 02:48.45 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: yeah, for simple thing, the diff.gz will do what you want. |
| 02:48.49 | dodgyville | Is there any way to tell the size of all the installed packages on my system? |
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| 02:49.00 | abrotman | dodgyville: apt-cache show <package> |
| 02:49.03 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot for infos :) |
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| 02:49.16 | abrotman | dodgyville: oh .. all of them |
| 02:49.18 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: np. #debian-mentors; can also help you out if you have packaging specific questions |
| 02:49.21 | dodgyville | abrotman: I meant a list summary of ALL the packages :) |
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| 02:49.56 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: didn't know it existed, thanks again :) |
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| 02:51.12 | abrotman | dodgyville: not that i'm aware |
| 02:51.20 | okolo | hi, when i wont copy entire CD distribution on HD? how (or when) i can use APT-setup? |
| 02:51.31 | dondelelcaro | dodgyville: you could do it with a sort perl script if you actually wanted to. |
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| 02:51.43 | abrotman | or lots of nasty awk :) |
| 02:51.43 | Fridon | http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623 |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | okolo: say what? |
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| 02:52.30 | dodgyville | dondelelcaro: How would i get a list of all the install packages. I've got ten minutes, I might try this magical script |
| 02:52.30 | Bogaurd | ok... i just compiled a new kernal according to this tutorial: |
| 02:52.30 | Bogaurd | http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
| 02:52.40 | Bogaurd | was i supposed to somehow compile modules too? |
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| 02:53.22 | abrotman | Bogaurd: it tells you |
| 02:53.27 | dondelelcaro | dodgyville: grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size -n "install ok installed"|perl -lne 'BEGIN{$a = 0;} $a+=$_; END{print $a}' |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | dodgyville: dpkg -l |
| 02:53.33 | kd6pag | Bogaurd: If you're compiling a 2.6.xx kernel, that should already be done. |
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| 02:53.58 | dli | anyone running intel8x0 audio with a working mic? |
| 02:54.03 | Bogaurd | kd6pag: just recompiled the kernal i had, cause i needed to compile something in, which it didnt have |
| 02:54.16 | okolo | abrotman: i have slow connection and bad cd rom, can i made ftp structure on /root/debs from my 7 CD s ? |
| 02:54.23 | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
| 02:54.31 | kd6pag | Bogaurd: You will have to do 'make modules_install' to use them. |
| 02:54.32 | dondelelcaro | hahahahaha |
| 02:54.37 | nvz | heh |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | dli: mine is |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | kd6pag: no |
| 02:55.30 | abrotman | nvz: qotd worthy? |
| 02:55.31 | kd6pag | dli: I have done audio-input on a Sony VAIO R505EL which uses snd_intel8x0 |
| 02:55.33 | dli | abrotman, do you need the modem driver next? |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | !tell Bogaurd about kp |
| 02:55.43 | dodgyville | dondelelcaro: Wow, good work! |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | dli: my modem works |
| 02:55.51 | dli | kd6pag: my mic is quiet :( |
| 02:55.51 | dodgyville | I take it that's kb |
| 02:56.09 | dli | abrotman: I wonder that intel modem is indeed driver for mic? |
| 02:56.11 | nvz | dpkg, qotd106 is <reply> elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
| 02:56.11 | dpkg | nvz: okay |
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| 02:56.22 | abrotman | dli: no |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | dli: are you using alsa? |
| 02:56.38 | dli | abrotman, yeah, in kernel |
| 02:56.40 | nvz | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/105/105|106/ |
| 02:56.40 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | dli: well .. i'm not .. |
| 02:56.54 | Bogaurd | abrotman: i didnt want any new modules. i just compiled some new stuff into the kernal itself. it should use my old, right? |
| 02:56.58 | dli | abrotman, if failed again, I will try oss |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | dli: not that i'm saying it's not possible .. but i've never bothered with alsa |
| 02:57.09 | Bogaurd | i dunno if it should or not, but its working 100%, so i dont mind |
| 02:57.15 | kd6pag | dli: You might need snd_pcm_oss and snd_pcm_mixer to run legacy applications. |
| 02:57.22 | abrotman | Bogaurd: oh .. well then .. who cares :) |
| 02:57.34 | Bogaurd | abrotman: cool ;) |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | Bogaurd: if the magic is good .. don't stop it |
| 02:57.45 | dli | kd6pag: it's not a problem of legacy, I couldn't get any sound from mic |
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| 02:58.05 | abrotman | dli: alsamixer? |
| 02:58.08 | Bogaurd | abrotman: just a question you might be able to answer: will removing things i am not likley to use from my kernel speed things up at all? |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | dli: i really don't use alsa |
| 02:58.13 | okolo | I have slow connection and bad cd rom, can i made ftp structure on /root/debs from my 7 CD s ? Or can i on my ftp server made mirror structure from this CDs? |
| 02:58.25 | kd6pag | Bogaurd: You'll need to 'make install' to run the new kernel. You may as well do 'modules_install' while you're at it, then reboot, |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | Bogaurd: marginally .. nothing noticable on a day to day basis |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | !tell kd6pag about kp |
| 02:58.43 | dli | abrotman, I have been examining alsamixer for long :( no luck |
| 02:58.45 | raid5 | !tell kd6pag about kp |
| 02:58.50 | Bogaurd | kd6pag, the new kernal is already installed |
| 02:58.58 | dli | abrotman, and aumix exits right away, no message :( |
| 02:59.06 | elnovato | okolo: are you drunk? |
| 02:59.11 | abrotman | Bogaurd: mostly you would do that if you have a low resource machine or HPC stuff |
| 02:59.20 | dli | kd6pag, tell him about make-kpkg not make install |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | elnovato: you're drunk again? |
| 02:59.30 | kd6pag | Sorry, i'm an old-timer and still 'make' to do most such things. |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | dli: nice .. maybe your sound card exploded |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | okolo: there are docs for what you want .. but what's wrong with the CDs you have? |
| 03:00.07 | dli | abrotman, no, it works perfectly in windows |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | dli: oh ok |
| 03:00.20 | kd6pag | raid5: I found a single bad bit on the superblock. Now, to figure out where the superblock lives and patch the damn thing. |
| 03:00.21 | okolo | elnovato: Its absurd? |
| 03:00.22 | elnovato | sorry abroman.. the vicious |
| 03:00.39 | dli | abrotman: and this is a new mobo, the old one exploded |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | dli: well .. that's never a good thing |
| 03:01.07 | Poprocks | hey |
| 03:01.17 | Poprocks | what program would y'all recommend for drawing economics graphs? |
| 03:01.19 | raid5 | kd6pag, : 1 superblock isnt gonna kill u..normally they keep multiple copies of superblock :) |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:01.30 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:01.40 | dli | Poprocks, diagram |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | Poprocks: gnuplot? |
| 03:02.05 | dondelelcaro | Poprocks: gnuplot, R, gnumeric... depends what the graph has on it. |
| 03:02.07 | Bogaurd | abrotman: its a celeron300 :) |
| 03:02.08 | Poprocks | dli, pb-diagram? |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | Bogaurd: i meant slower ... but do as you wish |
| 03:02.19 | Poprocks | abrotman, dondelelcaro, I'll check out gnuplot |
| 03:02.20 | kd6pag | This is a RAID5 superblock, not a EXT2 superblock. And alas, last i heard, bootable CD's don't exist for this generation of PowerPC. |
| 03:02.25 | Bogaurd | abrotman: but it has like 400mb of ram... so i wont bother |
| 03:02.25 | dli | Poprocks, maybe called dia |
| 03:02.30 | Poprocks | I don't think Gnumeric is quite right for my purposes |
| 03:02.33 | Poprocks | dli, oh yeah, ok |
| 03:02.38 | abrotman | Bogaurd: yeah.. .should be fine |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | dia is for diagrams |
| 03:02.47 | abrotman | like visio |
| 03:02.49 | lawnchair | part |
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| 03:02.51 | dli | Poprocks, and xfig is always a useful one |
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| 03:02.57 | dondelelcaro | Poprocks: well, since "economics graphs" is pretty vague, it's hard for us to know... |
| 03:02.58 | kd6pag | raid5: Where do the RAID5 superblock(s) live, after all?? |
| 03:03.06 | Poprocks | supply and demand curves, that kind of thing |
| 03:03.20 | abrotman | Poprocks: ruler! |
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| 03:03.21 | Poprocks | I don't really need many numbers and accurate stuff like that |
| 03:03.31 | dli | any scim user? |
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| 03:04.03 | I_am_Dave | Early this morning out power shutoff for about 30seconds. My debian (sarge) was running at the time and now when I boot into the "family" account, all my icons on the desktop are gone. I have just a blank desktop. Ussually I wouldn't care and just set them again but I can't right click to create new launchers. |
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| 03:04.20 | Poprocks | xfig looks pretty good actually |
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| 03:04.45 | abrotman | !ups |
| 03:04.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ups is (Uninterruptible Power Supply) This is a device that contains a battery and some circuitry to supply your computer with power for a limited time (depending on the battery) if there is any sort of interruption in the outlet power. or at http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/ups/. THE WORLDS MOST HORRIBLE SHIPPING COMPANY |
| 03:04.49 | dli | Poprocks, dia is more likely for newbies |
| 03:05.15 | Poprocks | dli, I've used dia before. it's pretty good but xfig might be more convenient for putting in LaTeX documents |
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| 03:05.38 | pipeline | Dia can export to xfig format. |
| 03:05.44 | dli | Poprocks, any difference? postscript the same |
| 03:05.45 | abrotman | Poprocks: can't you draw lines in latex? |
| 03:05.45 | MrP | Grrrr, I keep getting segmentation faults on mozilla, karamba, xmms, any anything with any sort of multimedia capabilities :( |
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| 03:06.12 | Poprocks | dli, heh, maybe I'll try both then |
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| 03:06.32 | Poprocks | abrotman, maybe..? I've never even looked into that fucntionality |
| 03:06.32 | dli | pipeline, but you don't import xfig into latex |
| 03:06.35 | pipeline | That's odd, MrP, Mozilla has different output plugins from any of those other things. Have you experimented with different xmms plugins? |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | kd6pag: what's in there? :) |
| 03:06.43 | pipeline | MrP: However, are you overclocking? |
| 03:06.54 | kd6pag | abrotman: What's i'd use to repair it. |
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| 03:07.02 | dli | MrP: looks like hardware |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | kd6pag: huh? |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:07.17 | abrotman | sorry |
| 03:07.18 | pipeline | dli: I'm not sure why you would use xfig instead of dia, then. xfig takes me all day to do anything because it's so very complex :| |
| 03:07.22 | raid5 | raidhotadd /dev/md1 /dev/hda1 |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | kd6pag: liveCD won't work? |
| 03:07.25 | jazzmans | why does mbmon show my cpu temps as the mb temps? |
| 03:07.32 | raid5 | you should be able to rebuild the raid5 array |
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| 03:07.42 | okolo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:07.55 | abrotman | okolo: there are docs for that .. |
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| 03:08.12 | dli | pipeline, when it's really complex, I write codes to generate postscript |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | okolo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | okolo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | whops |
| 03:08.38 | skyisblue | ha |
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| 03:09.00 | okolo | THX |
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| 03:09.09 | abrotman | okolo: what is your first language? |
| 03:09.17 | MrP | pipeline: No overclocking. And Mozilla only dies when it gets to multimedia that calls on VLC |
| 03:09.41 | MrP | dli: It worked fine before I switched to Sid, and then about a week ago it started doing this |
| 03:09.55 | MrP | I switched to Sid about 1.5 months ago |
| 03:10.00 | Roi | Hello. I'm trying to boot linux with LoadLin, and having a tough time. I'm trying to pass an initrd parameter to loadlin, but when I do, the kernel is loaded, the initrd is loaded, and then the machine reboots, and starts DOS again. Other sources seem to say that memory managers in DOS can cause this, but I've no clue what to change. The command I'm starting LoadLin with, as well as my config.sys, can be found at http://www.pastebin.com/2 |
| 03:10.05 | dli | MrP: switch back :( |
| 03:10.18 | abrotman | Roi: why are you trying to do that? |
| 03:10.19 | elnovato | tiime to get wild!! |
| 03:10.35 | Fusionpit | Ok. I did "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686", put the new image linkn in lilo.conf, and then used bootpart to make a new boot image. I still get kernel 2.2 |
| 03:10.39 | MrP | dli: Is there a pain free way of doing that? |
| 03:10.40 | raid5 | mkraid raid1.conf -f --only-superblock |
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| 03:10.57 | abrotman | Fusionpit: did you add the initrd line |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:11.01 | Fusionpit | yes |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | did you run lilo? |
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| 03:11.13 | Fusionpit | ... |
| 03:11.15 | dli | MrP: officially, no |
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| 03:11.24 | raid5 | mkraid raid5.conf -f --only-superblock |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | Fusionpit: did you run lilo? |
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| 03:11.32 | Fusionpit | no |
| 03:11.38 | dli | MrP: but you can always try manually, and fighting those dpkg errors |
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| 03:12.16 | abrotman | Fusionpit: please please please make sure that initrd line is there .. or the system won't boot |
| 03:12.27 | Fusionpit | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:12.34 | pipeline | Roi: I don't see squat on pastebin.com |
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| 03:12.44 | Jay | I could use some help checking for IRQ conflicts and, if one exists as I suspect, resolving it |
| 03:12.55 | abrotman | pipeline: he didn't give a url correctly? |
| 03:13.09 | pipeline | abrotman: no url at all |
| 03:13.15 | pipeline | I assumed he had only pasted it in the last couple minutes |
| 03:13.17 | pipeline | clearly not |
| 03:13.35 | Jay | My sound card randomly stopped working, etc, to make a long story short I've tried just about every sound troubleshooting I can, but someone suggested it might be a irq conflict |
| 03:13.53 | abrotman | Jay: did you add a device? |
| 03:13.56 | Jay | I have output of cat /proc/interrupts and it shows "ERR" 7 |
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| 03:14.10 | kd6pag | raid5: Thanks, i'll look at that if this doesn't pan out. |
| 03:14.17 | Roi | pipeline: It was 58mins ago (according to pastebin), and it's link still appears to be valid, and is still on the main page. |
| 03:14.19 | Jay | not that I can think of |
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| 03:14.51 | nvz | Jay: upgrade the software or kernel? |
| 03:14.54 | Jay | I did an apt-get upgrade, yes |
| 03:15.02 | Jay | then rebooted sometime later, and whammo |
| 03:15.04 | Jay | no sound |
| 03:15.31 | nvz | Jay: do you know if you upgraded a kernel, and which version and sound driver you use? |
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| 03:15.44 | Jay | I dont believe I upgraded the kernel |
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| 03:16.14 | leandro_ | hi all... have a question regarding hal/gnome-volume-manager/dbus... hou do I have gnome to automount my USB device when connected ? I can see the messages on /var/log/messages.. but no icon on my Desktop |
| 03:16.23 | nvz | Jay: if you use debian kernels it will update them if needed |
| 03:16.38 | leandro_ | I'm running unstable |
| 03:16.39 | Jay | but it's ALSA using snd_ali5451 |
| 03:16.53 | nvz | Jay: laptop? |
| 03:17.01 | Jay | It's kernel 2.6.7, which I think is what it was using when I installed |
| 03:17.06 | Jay | yeah, Thinkpad i1300 |
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| 03:17.24 | nvz | Jay: you built your own kernel? |
| 03:17.43 | Jay | no, it's from Mepis Linux (yes, I asked over there, they couldnt help) |
| 03:17.54 | Jay | but I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and so forth |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | leandro_: #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:18.24 | leandro_ | ok.. thanks ! |
| 03:18.42 | dli | how to setup .Xauthority ? tired of sux :( |
| 03:18.44 | jazzmans | why does mbmon show my cpu temps as the mb temps? |
| 03:18.47 | nvz | Jay: yeah, well you should make a sarge cd and come back when you have a debian problem. try the mepis website look for mailing lists or something |
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| 03:18.55 | Jay | yeah, I did that |
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| 03:19.09 | Jay | if I could get any help that way, I wouldnt bother coming here |
| 03:19.17 | nvz | Jay: this is a kernel related issue, I cant really account for what those live cds have |
| 03:19.35 | nvz | Jay: your supposed kernel version doesnt exist in debian |
| 03:19.48 | Jay | can I install a new kernel ? |
| 03:20.08 | skyisblue | Jay: yes sure. |
| 03:20.15 | Jay | I've never installed a new kernel on any distro, I always used whatever came off the install, so I'm not familiar with the process |
| 03:20.28 | vladster | could someone point me to a url that can show how to access a usb drive? |
| 03:20.36 | Fusionpit | how do I apt-get firefox? |
| 03:20.48 | nvz | Jay: well ask in #mepis. try be more descriptive about what you need |
| 03:21.02 | Jay | yeah, I did that last night too |
| 03:21.05 | shekhinah | this one guides you how to compile kernel 2.6. on debian |
| 03:21.05 | skyisblue | Fusionpit: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:21.13 | Fusionpit | E: Couldn't find package mozilla-firefox |
| 03:21.18 | shekhinah | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 03:21.22 | Jay | ended up with "sorry, can't help" ;) |
| 03:21.24 | Jay | thanks anyway |
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| 03:21.31 | nvz | Jay: oh well. get debian if you need help. more people use it. |
| 03:21.35 | skyisblue | Fusionpit: aptitude and "/" "firefox" |
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| 03:21.45 | Jay | yeah, I know |
| 03:21.46 | nvz | Jay: dont use bastardized versions |
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| 03:21.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | well then |
| 03:22.16 | Fusionpit | uhhh....i read that as a bunch of jibberish |
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| 03:22.25 | daft_ | I forgot how had it was to to compile a kernel with only stuff that my pc needs |
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| 03:22.43 | abrotman | daft_: so don't? |
| 03:22.50 | skyisblue | Fusionpit: what's problem? |
| 03:23.07 | Fusionpit | [08:21pm] [skyisblue] Fusionpit: aptitude and "/" "firefox" |
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| 03:23.15 | nvz | building your custom debian kernel is simple, configure, and wait |
| 03:23.16 | abrotman | Fusionpit: it will search for firefox |
| 03:23.23 | daft_ | abrotman, i did it 2 years ago and compaird it to 2.6 once but some twit rm -rf / my pc |
| 03:23.32 | abrotman | daft_: your mom? |
| 03:23.35 | nvz | its a set it and forget it, kinda thing |
| 03:23.52 | daft_ | some one at college when i was updating from putty |
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| 03:24.17 | skyisblue | Fusionpit: "n" is next search and "+" "g" "g" is install |
| 03:24.26 | leandro_ | any experienced gnome guy ?! |
| 03:24.29 | abrotman | daft_: putty is an OS? |
| 03:24.38 | leandro_ | gnome-debian doesn't respond |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | leandro_: i told you #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:24.41 | daft_ | putty is the windows ssh client |
| 03:24.43 | abrotman | oh .. try #gnome |
| 03:24.44 | Fusionpit | ok, what is the EXACT command to enter? |
| 03:24.51 | abrotman | Fusionpit: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:24.53 | leandro_ | abrotman: yes.. I know |
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| 03:25.08 | abrotman | leandro_: did you try #gnome also? |
| 03:25.10 | Fusionpit | E: Couldn't find package mozilla-firefox |
| 03:25.16 | abrotman | Fusionpit: aren't you on woody? |
| 03:25.25 | mentor | Fusionpit: You might get further, if you can work these things out yourself. |
| 03:25.37 | mentor | Fusionpit: use apt-cache to search for firefox packages. |
| 03:25.39 | dli | abrotman, compile kernel for oss now :( |
| 03:25.43 | Fusionpit | If I could work these things out myself, I would not be here |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | dli: ok |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | !tell Fusionpit about search |
| 03:25.55 | daft_ | abrotman, im shure that guy dont do it again almost threw him over the table |
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| 03:26.12 | mentor | Fusionpit: Well indeed, but we can only point you in the right direction. |
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| 03:26.20 | leandro_ | abrotman: can you help me with this ?! |
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| 03:26.28 | Nurbs | how can I find out why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install a package? |
| 03:26.38 | Fusionpit | apt-cache search firefox returned nothing |
| 03:26.40 | abrotman | leandro_: what was it again? |
| 03:26.51 | abrotman | Fusionpit: you're on woody .. it has no firefox package |
| 03:26.52 | daft_ | Nurbs, its needed by a new update |
| 03:26.57 | Fusionpit | dang |
| 03:27.06 | mentor | Fusionpit: So, there are no firefox pacakges. |
| 03:27.12 | daft_ | Fusionpit, try a backport |
| 03:27.13 | leandro_ | abrotman: hal + gnome-volume-manager + usb automout |
| 03:27.14 | Eagle101 | Fusionpit: thats why you should change to sarge ;) |
| 03:27.14 | mentor | Fusionpit: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | Fusionpit: you can use backports |
| 03:27.23 | abrotman | mentor: he's on woody |
| 03:27.27 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:27.27 | dli | Nurbs, I will dist-upgrade, and try to remove the unneeded before that |
| 03:27.30 | artichoke | Fusionpit: try your search with wildcards |
| 03:27.32 | Nurbs | daft_: how so? :) no package depends on it, I can remove it just fine and haven't told apt-get to install recommends etc. |
| 03:27.37 | mentor | Well, that would be why there are no firefox pacakges... |
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| 03:27.41 | leandro_ | abrotman: I'd like to have gnome automount my usb device automatically |
| 03:27.47 | abrotman | Fusionpit: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:27.56 | daft_ | Nurbs, maby a virual package you have installed kde or so |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | leandro_: did you install udev? |
| 03:28.02 | Eagle101 | mentor: do you happen to be albanian? |
| 03:28.24 | leandro_ | abrotman: yes... it's running on 2.6.10 and debian/unstable |
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| 03:28.35 | Nurbs | daft_: but if that virtual package would depend on it I couldn't uninstall that additional package just fine after the dist-upgrade again (until the next dist-upgrade) |
| 03:28.41 | Fusionpit | omgh4x:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:28.41 | Fusionpit | 3.0 |
| 03:28.42 | mentor | Eagle101: Not of which I am aware. |
| 03:28.45 | abrotman | leandro_: i've heard there are lots of problems with udev |
| 03:28.45 | leandro_ | abrotman: I can see the messages on /var/log/messages.. but no device mounted |
| 03:28.56 | abrotman | !udev |
| 03:28.57 | dpkg | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ, or broken and shit |
| 03:29.04 | Eagle101 | mentor: lol ok, sorry for bothering man |
| 03:29.07 | leandro_ | abrotman: ok... do you have it working for you ?! |
| 03:29.17 | abrotman | !udev =~ s/FAQ,/FAQ ,/ |
| 03:29.18 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 03:29.35 | abrotman | leandro_: never tried .. should i? :) |
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| 03:29.47 | daft_ | eumm your right :s |
| 03:29.57 | abrotman | Eagle101: i work with an albanian :) |
| 03:30.00 | mentor | you're |
| 03:30.02 | skyisblue | Fusionpit: go to http://www.mozilla.org |
| 03:30.02 | dli | do I need /dev/mixer? maybe that's the reason of missing mic :( |
| 03:30.10 | abrotman | dli: probably |
| 03:30.15 | leandro_ | abrotman: do you have a usb storage device ?! camera ?! |
| 03:30.17 | Eagle101 | abrotman: wow, where? |
| 03:30.19 | abrotman | leandro_: i do |
| 03:30.22 | abrotman | Eagle101: philly |
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| 03:30.42 | abrotman | Eagle101: are you albanian? |
| 03:30.48 | daft_ | Fusionpit, http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 03:30.48 | leandro_ | abrotman: so... you don't enjoy this kind of .... ease |
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| 03:31.01 | abrotman | leandro_: well .. i'd have to actually use the camera :) |
| 03:31.19 | leandro_ | abrotman: okay... thanks man ! |
| 03:31.25 | abrotman | leandro_: would you like me to try? |
| 03:31.37 | Eagle101 | abrotman: yes, i am albanian... |
| 03:31.45 | abrotman | Eagle101: uhm .. he's from near a big lake |
| 03:31.52 | abrotman | Eagle101: in the mountains somewhere |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | Eagle101: and near a border i gather |
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| 03:32.42 | dli | abrotman, how to test mic? I suspect the gnome-recorder is buggy |
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| 03:32.53 | abrotman | dli: i use audacity |
| 03:33.29 | abrotman | Eagle101: maybe Mount Dry is next to his town |
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| 03:33.37 | dli | abrotman: at least "aumix" works now :) |
| 03:33.51 | daft_ | cant you cat a mic input from dev? |
| 03:33.55 | pingouin | which man i'm supose to read to be able to compare 2 files and print diferencies by plenty of way ? |
| 03:34.03 | daft_ | :p |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | pingouin: diff? |
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| 03:34.19 | Eagle101 | abrotman: lol yea maybe, |
| 03:34.19 | dli | daft_: I think no |
| 03:34.35 | Bogaurd | on www.kernel.org there is a script thing to show current bandwith usage... does anyone know of something similar which i could setup? |
| 03:34.45 | abrotman | Eagle101: he was just home .. for new years |
| 03:35.16 | dli | Bogaurd, I don't know, but remember icewm has a small box to show that |
| 03:35.26 | daft_ | btw I made a kernel with less modules but the box still trys to load them how can i update the module load thingy? |
| 03:35.26 | Bogaurd | icewm? |
| 03:35.30 | abrotman | !icewm |
| 03:35.31 | dpkg | icewm is a nice, simple, themeable and kick-ass wm....the icewm homepage is at http://icewm.sourceforge.net |
| 03:35.33 | Bogaurd | oh, this is without a gui |
| 03:35.35 | Eagle101 | abrotman: well is it ok if you give me his email address or something, its just that in the city i live, there are almost no albanians at all |
| 03:35.36 | pingouin | abrotman: yeah maybe, have to read/test thx for the path |
| 03:35.37 | dli | Bogaurd, a window manager |
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| 03:35.47 | Bogaurd | no gui guys |
| 03:35.56 | abrotman | Eagle101: i'd have to ask him .. i don't normally just give out people's email addresses |
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| 03:36.15 | Bogaurd | i want something which will just output the amount of traffic that has passed through in the last second |
| 03:36.20 | abrotman | Eagle101: his sister is here in philly too |
| 03:37.12 | skyisblue | pingouin: diffstat |
| 03:37.21 | Eagle101 | abrotman: ok |
| 03:37.36 | dli | Bogaurd, nettop |
| 03:37.39 | skyisblue | pingouin: aptitude and "/" "diff" "n" "n"... |
| 03:37.57 | abrotman | Eagle101: he and i were in a bar one night .. and he ran into a girl from the next town over |
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| 03:38.37 | tony | when i 'xine dvd://' it errors with 'There is no input plugin available to handle dvd://. Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream source doesn't exist.' |
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| 03:39.29 | dli | tony: can you just click the dvd button? |
| 03:39.37 | tony | dli , I wish |
| 03:39.43 | dli | tony: why not? |
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| 03:39.58 | pingouin | ok thx skyisblue |
| 03:40.01 | tony | dli, that's what i'm asking the channel.... |
| 03:40.09 | skyisblue | pingouin: yaw |
| 03:41.50 | abrotman | libdvdread? |
| 03:42.28 | tony | abrotman , really? oh dude.. I'm going to be embarassed... |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | which version of debiain? |
| 03:43.07 | tony | 2.6.9-1-686 |
| 03:43.20 | abrotman | that's not a version of debian :) |
| 03:43.26 | abrotman | tony: apt-cache search libdvdread |
| 03:43.29 | tony | oh, sorry, unstable |
| 03:43.32 | tony | heh |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | nasty: how did it work out? |
| 03:43.46 | dli | abrotman: it works with audacity :) gnome-recorder is buggy |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | dli: yay |
| 03:43.55 | tony | of course unstable... who uses anything else anymore? |
| 03:44.10 | abrotman | tony: i use testing |
| 03:44.14 | tony | ok ok ok |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | i guess i like my stuff to be slightly tested :) |
| 03:45.17 | dli | abrotman: but audacity crashes with Chinese, LANG=zh_CN :( |
| 03:45.52 | abrotman | dli: so use it in english? |
| 03:45.58 | CurryPork | i lost my x windows display, cant launch anything at all, can someone help? |
| 03:46.01 | toresbe | it's a bad sign when Opera goes "can't allocate memory" isn't it.. |
| 03:46.05 | abrotman | dli: the stuff is pretty easy to use .. play/record/stop :) |
| 03:46.14 | abrotman | toresbe: blame norway :) |
| 03:46.16 | toresbe | uh, oh crap... I *hadn't* forgotten to mount swap |
| 03:46.20 | abrotman | toresbe: which version .. i use opera |
| 03:46.23 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 03:46.27 | tony | CurryPork , don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 03:46.57 | tony | CurryPork , what is your error or behavior? |
| 03:47.09 | dli | abrotman: why not in Chinese :( there's even a menu for language selection there, at least don't crash with Chinese |
| 03:47.19 | abrotman | dli: it does or doesn't? |
| 03:47.34 | CurryPork | i lost my x windows display, cant launch anything at all |
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| 03:47.49 | dli | abrotman, it does crash, segmentation fault with LANG=zh_CN |
| 03:47.58 | toresbe | abrotman: 29515 tore 15 0 299m 101m 20m S 13.7 41.7 1540:48 opera |
| 03:47.59 | dli | CurryPork, startx |
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| 03:48.18 | abrotman | toresbe: how many windows do you have open? |
| 03:48.23 | dli | CurryPork, or "ssh -X" to it |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | dli: so use it in english? |
| 03:48.28 | daft_ | \o/ got it working my new kernel with only one module. tomorow i will play with patches for now good night |
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| 03:48.44 | dli | abrotman, no, I will still use it to record Chinese |
| 03:48.47 | toresbe | abrotman: I had 72 windows open :D |
| 03:48.50 | abrotman | dli: oh ok |
| 03:48.55 | abrotman | toresbe: lay off the porn |
| 03:48.55 | CurryPork | dli> i cant startx |
| 03:49.08 | toresbe | abrotman: Remarkably, none of it is porn |
| 03:49.14 | skyisblue | tony: /msg dpkg geexbox |
| 03:49.20 | dli | CurryPork, error messages? /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 03:49.26 | toresbe | abrotman: most of it is retrocomputing stuff, though, so it's close. |
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| 03:49.35 | abrotman | CurryPork: why not? |
| 03:50.14 | CurryPork | abrotman> i used aptitude, it removed alot of things |
| 03:50.27 | dli | CurryPork, apt-get install x-window-core |
| 03:50.27 | CurryPork | since den i cannot even launch anything |
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| 03:50.37 | CurryPork | cant display |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | !tell CurryPork about setup x |
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| 03:51.02 | dli | CurryPork, if you couldn't apt-get :) god bless you |
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| 03:51.52 | CurryPork | dli> i can, but im running knoppix to troubleshoot it, cos its just cli, im nebie |
| 03:51.56 | toresbe | skyisblue: Hell, I got X running on a 386 |
| 03:52.09 | skyisblue | :P |
| 03:52.22 | dli | CurryPork, no need, reboot, apt-get install x-window-core |
| 03:52.26 | toresbe | skyisblue: Worked remarkably well, actually |
| 03:52.28 | mtnman | dli: that is x-window-system-core |
| 03:52.32 | dli | CurryPork, or "tasksel" |
| 03:52.36 | skyisblue | toresbe: yeah very old version. |
| 03:52.49 | toresbe | skyisblue: it was four point something |
| 03:52.59 | dli | CurryPork, of simply install some x packages |
| 03:53.07 | dli | mtnman: you are right :) |
| 03:53.24 | toresbe | BTW, anyone here have a 486SLC they're not using? I'm interested in buying one |
| 03:53.24 | mtnman | dli: occasionally .... heheh. |
| 03:53.25 | skyisblue | toresbe: if i have dvdrw then i am running deli linux now. |
| 03:53.35 | Xsquared | if i dual booted win2k with debian, how is the disk partitioned? like where would everything be stored etc.. |
| 03:53.46 | abrotman | toresbe: SX? |
| 03:53.50 | mtnman | xsquared: however you want. |
| 03:53.54 | toresbe | Xsquared: cfdisk /dev/hda will tell you |
| 03:54.03 | CurryPork | dli> can i do it while running knoppix livecd? |
| 03:54.03 | toresbe | abrotman: No, SLC - a 486 with a 386 pinout |
| 03:54.12 | abrotman | toresbe: that's just horrible .. |
| 03:54.22 | dli | CurryPork, nobody needs knoppix here, reboot |
| 03:54.29 | toresbe | abrotman: I have a *really* cool 386 luggable |
| 03:54.37 | abrotman | toresbe: seen many of those |
| 03:54.42 | daft_ | how to mount a ntfs read write (it is in the kernel) |
| 03:54.50 | abrotman | toresbe: my Uni threw out a stack |
| 03:54.53 | CurryPork | but if i reboot, i will not be able to irc here to seek help |
| 03:54.54 | CurryPork | :< |
| 03:55.03 | abrotman | CurryPork: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 03:55.13 | dli | daft_: read in kernel, write in captive |
| 03:55.22 | toresbe | abrotman: I used it to write my halfterm |
| 03:55.24 | skyisblue | CurryPork: tirc also good |
| 03:55.34 | dli | daft_: and pray before you write |
| 03:55.42 | CurryPork | irssi-text.. can i launch xchat wut this, cos i got no gui at all |
| 03:55.53 | abrotman | toresbe: horrid "little" boxes |
| 03:55.53 | Bogaurd | cany anyone help me to get the app bwbar running? i did apt-get install bwbar, configged it, but when i run it, nothing seems to happpen |
| 03:55.57 | skyisblue | CurryPork: elinks and links -g also good |
| 03:56.06 | dli | CurryPork, apt-get install ircii |
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| 03:56.17 | abrotman | irssi-text |
| 03:56.18 | abrotman | jeez |
| 03:56.21 | abrotman | who uses ircii |
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| 03:56.35 | toresbe | abrotman: http://incolor.inetnebr.com/jshorney/p70.htm |
| 03:56.40 | toresbe | abrotman: this one is cool though |
| 03:56.46 | jazzmans | dli, CurryPork is running a live-cd distro on top of the os he hosed |
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| 03:57.07 | CurryPork | jazzmans>u are correct, sir |
| 03:57.09 | abrotman | toresbe: i think theirs were Compaqs .. but i'm not sure |
| 03:57.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:57.17 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:57.24 | dli | jazzmans, what livecd? |
| 03:57.34 | GlitchMaster | Umm... If I try to apt-get install ANYTHING, at the final install action I get "Errors were encountered while processing: xbase-clients | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 03:57.41 | jazzmans | knoppix. |
| 03:57.47 | Eagle101 | Does anybody has any apt-get repository for all the gnome updates and etc...? please |
| 03:57.58 | abrotman | Eagle101: gnome updates for what? |
| 03:58.17 | toresbe | abrotman: the compaqs were fun... |
| 03:58.20 | GlitchMaster | "does anybody has"... |
| 03:58.36 | toresbe | abrotman: I'm taking apart a 286 now - a Toshiba T3200 - doing data recovery |
| 03:58.40 | toresbe | abrotman: AND THAT IS NOT FUN. |
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| 03:58.45 | Eagle101 | abrotman: just gnome updates |
| 03:58.49 | abrotman | toresbe: toshiba sucks |
| 03:58.55 | toresbe | abrotman: no kidding |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | Eagle101: they come with debian .. i'm confused what updates you want |
| 03:59.04 | kd6pag | tobesbe: You have my sympathy!! |
| 03:59.13 | GlitchMaster | Wait! "does anybody has any apt-get repository.." <-- also, repository is singular, while "any" has to be applied to a plural. :D |
| 03:59.16 | toresbe | abrotman: The genious engineers have SOLDERED THE SCREEN CABLE TO THE MOTHERBOARD |
| 03:59.18 | GlitchMaster | </grammar nazi> |
| 03:59.23 | skyisblue | Eagle101: aptitude and "u" and "+" to upgrade section. |
| 03:59.23 | Bogaurd | does anyone know why bwbar doesnt seem to do anything? |
| 03:59.24 | abrotman | toresbe: i'm not surprised |
| 03:59.28 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: you're not good at it |
| 03:59.47 | Eagle101 | abrotman: for ex. i want the latest gnome...the 2.10 |
| 03:59.55 | GlitchMaster | I'm good enough to be yelled at... >.> |
| 03:59.55 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.56 | abrotman | Eagle101: well .. there is no 2.10 yet |
| 03:59.59 | toresbe | abrotman: You get it about 5cm apart, and from there you have some maaaajor trickery to do to get the harddrive out |
| 04:00.00 | skyisblue | Eagle101: and "g" "g" that's all. |
| 04:00.02 | zinx | toresbe: i have a motherboard w/ a faulty battery which is also the RTC, which is soldered on to the motherboard |
| 04:00.03 | abrotman | Eagle101: which version of debian? |
| 04:00.06 | GlitchMaster | Anyhoo... |
| 04:00.07 | abrotman | skyisblue: you're not helping |
| 04:00.23 | GlitchMaster | Umm... If I try to apt-get install ANYTHING, at the final install action I get "Errors were encountered while processing: xbase-clients | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 04:00.26 | toresbe | abrotman: Of course, like I realized to my absolute horror, the harddrive is nonstandard |
| 04:00.28 | GlitchMaster | (repeated for lack of response) |
| 04:00.29 | Eagle101 | abrotman: sarge |
| 04:00.44 | abrotman | Eagle101: you have 2.8 .. there is no 2.10 yet |
| 04:00.48 | zinx | toresbe: you sure? sure it's not just an adapter? |
| 04:00.49 | toresbe | abrotman: Not IDE, not EDSI, not SCSI, not MFM... but PROPRIETARY TOSHIBA |
| 04:00.51 | abrotman | toresbe: MCA ? |
| 04:00.53 | dli | GlitchMaster, you need to supply the error message from dpkg :( |
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| 04:01.12 | toresbe | abrotman: It's a 20-pin connector |
| 04:01.12 | GlitchMaster | dli: It doesn't give one... |
| 04:01.21 | abrotman | toresbe: i think that's IDE |
| 04:01.30 | GlitchMaster | -.-; |
| 04:01.31 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: just give us the entire output from dpkg --configure -a; to the next line. Paste in #flood, or use paster. |
| 04:01.34 | toresbe | abrotman: No. Isn't IDE 16 data bits? |
| 04:01.39 | dondelelcaro | s/line/prompt/ |
| 04:01.43 | dli | GlitchMaster, locate the .deb, "dpkg -i " it |
| 04:01.47 | zinx | toresbe: data bits != number of pins |
| 04:02.00 | toresbe | zinx: well, data bits on the bus |
| 04:02.08 | zinx | toresbe: if all else fails, search for the model number |
| 04:02.17 | skyisblue | abrotman: you are right. sorry. |
| 04:02.19 | toresbe | zinx: It's obscured by the frames |
| 04:02.19 | zinx | toresbe: that'll tell you what it is real quick-like |
| 04:02.21 | Eagle101 | abrotman: i know there isnt a 2.10 yet, but i want to get the unstable gnome with is 2.9.3 |
| 04:02.31 | toresbe | zinx: All I can make out is a JVC logo |
| 04:02.32 | abrotman | toresbe: i think it's IDE .. |
| 04:02.33 | zinx | toresbe: it's probably IDE, but i wouldn't bet on the computer supporting more than a 2gb |
| 04:02.48 | abrotman | Eagle101: if you want to work within debian .. you'll have to wait .. |
| 04:02.49 | toresbe | This computer predates IDE, I think |
| 04:02.49 | kaki | hi, I have just finished downloading the 3.0r3 disk 1 cd image, and I've noticed that there is already a r4 out, so I'm wondering if I can download the 3.0r4 disk 2 image and use it with the r3 disk1 that I already have or should I download the r3 disk2 CD and upgrade the system later. The problem is that my internet connectio is slow |
| 04:02.59 | zinx | toresbe: uh, no. no 286 predates IDE |
| 04:03.02 | abrotman | kaki: doesn't work like that |
| 04:03.03 | toresbe | anyway, brb, doing a... uh, dump job. :P |
| 04:03.12 | skyisblue | Eagle101: try garnome, but i can't sure your gnome is safe. |
| 04:03.12 | toresbe | zinx: That I am sure is wrong |
| 04:03.15 | zinx | toresbe: well, actually, i have one here that may |
| 04:03.16 | abrotman | kaki: you can just install with 3.0r3 and upgrade |
| 04:03.27 | abrotman | Eagle101: it's probably better to wait |
| 04:03.28 | kd6pag | zinx: That's what i thought, too... MFM??? |
| 04:03.47 | Eagle101 | ok, thanks guys |
| 04:03.48 | zinx | toresbe: does your drive look like this: http://warped.bluecherry.net/~zinx/st-4026/ |
| 04:03.55 | kaki | but I am afraid that the torrent for r3 will die before I finish downloading disk2 |
| 04:03.55 | zinx | toresbe: that coin is a quater |
| 04:03.59 | zinx | erh, quarter |
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| 04:04.19 | toresbe | zinx: I'll be right back, I appreciate the help |
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| 04:06.39 | abrotman | zinx: isn't that a full height SCSI ? |
| 04:06.46 | zinx | abrotman: no idea :) |
| 04:06.57 | zinx | abrotman: it's more than 'full height' |
| 04:07.05 | dreammer_ | Can anyone recommend a good IM client that does ICQ & MSN? Kopete? Gaim? Gabber? Which is considered the best if one is running KDE? |
| 04:07.11 | zinx | abrotman: you could fit about 6 standard-sized IDE drives in its space, IIRC |
| 04:07.24 | zinx | abrotman: again, the coin is a quarter |
| 04:07.28 | zinx | (US Quarter Dollar) |
| 04:07.32 | dondelelcaro | dreammer_: probalby just use gaim |
| 04:07.46 | skyisblue | yeah |
| 04:07.56 | skyisblue | gaim |
| 04:08.06 | dreammer_ | dondelelcaro: you have experience with the other clients? |
| 04:08.15 | zinx | my mother just got a much nicer camera than my .33megapixel junk.. i should take some more pictures :) |
| 04:08.26 | kaki | is it possible to install a funtional system with just the first installation disk and then install other packages as needed from the internet? |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | zinx: quarter? |
| 04:08.34 | abrotman | heh |
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| 04:08.54 | zinx | abrotman: yes |
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| 04:09.07 | abrotman | zinx: you mean .. with that george wsahington terrorist guy? |
| 04:09.07 | skyisblue | kaki: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 04:09.14 | zinx | abrotman: that's the one |
| 04:09.16 | dondelelcaro | zinx: that sure looks like MFM |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | zinx: and the eagle .. |
| 04:09.27 | zinx | dondelelcaro: no way man, MFM is half that size, at most |
| 04:09.31 | abrotman | zinx: i think we have those in philly |
| 04:09.33 | dondelelcaro | zinx: nah, MFM can be that big |
| 04:09.36 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i had some of those too, until recently |
| 04:09.52 | zinx | dondelelcaro: well, the MFM i'd seen before ;) |
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| 04:10.02 | abrotman | zinx: any of those show the connector real well? |
| 04:10.04 | zinx | dondelelcaro: this drive came out of an IBM 5150 or something like that |
| 04:10.14 | dondelelcaro | zinx: I pulled one out of an 8080 that took the entire front of the bay... 'course, those photos are really blurry, so it's hard to tell if I'm actually looking at the interface or not |
| 04:10.15 | zinx | abrotman: nothing shows well with a .33megapixel camera ;) |
| 04:10.24 | abrotman | zinx: uh .. yeah :) |
| 04:10.24 | dondelelcaro | http://warped.bluecherry.net/~zinx/st-4026/pict009.png |
| 04:10.33 | dreammer_ | gaim have any problems with kde? |
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| 04:10.38 | zinx | dondelelcaro: that's the connector |
| 04:10.41 | dondelelcaro | (assuming those circuit board tabs sticking out are the interface, anyway) |
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| 04:10.52 | GlitchMaster | dli: That would be dpkg-deb, right? |
| 04:10.59 | zinx | dondelelcaro: aye |
| 04:11.19 | dli | GlitchMaster, find the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:11.27 | GlitchMaster | GNOME doesn't like to display known file extensions... um.. oh, okay. |
| 04:11.31 | abrotman | not MCA ? |
| 04:11.32 | dondelelcaro | zinx: yeah, I don't know of anything else besides MFM that uses that interface... 'course, things that predated MFM were pretty much junked long before i came on the scene. |
| 04:11.41 | zinx | dondelelcaro: heh :) |
| 04:11.52 | dondelelcaro | although, I do have my fair share of mag tape and 14" platter stories |
| 04:11.57 | GlitchMaster | Bleh, I was looking at scripts. I must be tired or something... -.- |
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| 04:12.05 | skyisblue | dreammer_: just give it a try. |
| 04:12.05 | pipeline | GlitchMaster: Gnome / nautilus always shows file extensions |
| 04:12.13 | pipeline | GlitchMaster: But you don't need file extensions for a file's mime type to be known |
| 04:12.17 | pipeline | GlitchMaster: Surprised hell out of me, too |
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| 04:12.45 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: did you figure out your dpkg error yet? Have you pasted the full and complete output? |
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| 04:13.05 | dondelelcaro | hrm... cerulean... why is that familiar? |
| 04:13.19 | zinx | dondelelcaro: MIT names their stuff after pokemon things |
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| 04:13.48 | rdancer | what does this mean?: (seen in dmesg output) "PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:07.0. Please try using pci=biosirq." (the same for 00:07.1; these are "CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1130 (rev 04) according to lspci) |
| 04:13.53 | dreammer_ | skyblue: going to do it... :) |
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| 04:14.08 | dondelelcaro | hrm... must be a blue dye or something |
| 04:14.23 | skyisblue | dreammer_: it works with kde 3.1 |
| 04:14.23 | Jay | what CDs do I need to install with the new Sarge installer using a 2.6 series kernel ? |
| 04:14.35 | dondelelcaro | Jay: you just need a d-i netinst image. Use linux26 |
| 04:14.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell Jay about d-i |
| 04:14.39 | dreammer_ | skyisblue: how about 3.3? |
| 04:14.49 | Jay | ok |
| 04:15.03 | skyisblue | dreammer_: will be fine or if not just purge it. |
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| 04:15.18 | dreammer_ | okie :) |
| 04:15.25 | skyisblue | doky |
| 04:15.38 | GlitchMaster | dondelelcaro: dpkg -configure -a doesn't give anything; it responds with "unkown option -o" |
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| 04:15.48 | GlitchMaster | I hate it when I get multiple directions at the same time... |
| 04:15.53 | GlitchMaster | Now, where was I? |
| 04:15.56 | GlitchMaster | Oh, right. um... |
| 04:16.16 | GlitchMaster | dli: There doesn't seem to be a debian package in the directory with "dpkg" in its name. |
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| 04:16.18 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: --confiugre -a |
| 04:16.26 | GlitchMaster | dondelelcaro: ...oh. |
| 04:16.33 | dondelelcaro | well, with configure spelled properly, anyway. |
| 04:16.33 | abrotman | !lart dondelelcaro's fat finger |
| 04:16.45 | dli | GlitchMaster, "dpkg --configure -a" :) |
| 04:17.21 | Eagle101 | guys, i love linux.....lol |
| 04:17.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if you read the scrollback, you'll see 20:01:31 <dondelelcaro> GlitchMaster: [...] dpkg --configure -a; |
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| 04:17.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i know |
| 04:17.41 | jkarns | I'm getting a read error on sarge install CD-1 that I got last week via bittorrent. I don't see that md5sums are listed on the iso site. Am I missing something, or don't they post them? |
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| 04:18.08 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 04:18.08 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 04:18.27 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: general tip: with few exceptions, long options (multiple letters) take --, short options (single letter) use -. |
| 04:18.31 | GlitchMaster | Setting up xbase-clients (4.3.0.dfsg.1-8) ... | xbase-clients postinst warning: /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp is not a symbolic link | Analyzing /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp: | drwxr-xr-x 93 root root 4096 2005-01-14 22:57 /etc | drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 2005-01-14 16:15 /etc/X11 | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2005-01-14 16:46 /etc/X11/xkb | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 192761 2004-02-27 22:21 /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp | Searching for overlappi |
| 04:18.31 | GlitchMaster | ng packages... | dpkg: error processing xbase-clients (--configure): | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 | Errors were encountered while processing: | xbase-clients |
| 04:18.40 | Bogaurd | has anyone here got bwbar to run? |
| 04:18.42 | GlitchMaster | Oh... That didn't fit so well, even when made into one line... >.< |
| 04:18.56 | GlitchMaster | Well.. it's interpretible, right? |
| 04:19.10 | GlitchMaster | interpretable? Eh.. however it's spelled.. |
| 04:19.18 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: ok, there was a reason why I asked you to paste it inot #flood, but whatever... ls -l /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp |
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| 04:19.24 | abrotman | grammar nazi maybe .. spelling disaster :) |
| 04:19.36 | GlitchMaster | Yeah... I'm sloppy with spelling.. |
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| 04:19.49 | GlitchMaster | The "-ible" "-able" gets me. >.< |
| 04:19.50 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: you better than me. |
| 04:19.51 | GlitchMaster | Anyhoo.. |
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| 04:19.56 | abrotman | you're |
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| 04:20.07 | skyisblue | :P |
| 04:20.19 | dli | dondelelcaro, would dpkg --purge and install solve this ? |
| 04:20.19 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: that should generally be a symlink to /usr/X11R6/bin/xkbcomp; unless you're doing something really strange. |
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| 04:20.35 | dondelelcaro | dli: no, because the package is in an undefined state. |
| 04:20.52 | GlitchMaster | dondelelcaro: That was one line. xChat displays the actual return characters, and I figured it would fit in one input... |
| 04:20.57 | GlitchMaster | Anyway.. |
| 04:20.59 | GlitchMaster | Hold on. |
| 04:21.23 | GlitchMaster | dondelelcaro: everything should be the default setup with that stuff. I've done nothing unusual. |
| 04:21.24 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: no, it's just that #flood makes it much easier for me to follow... but that's neither here nor there. |
| 04:21.45 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: well, the fact that /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp isn't a symlink anymore kind of invalidates that assumption. |
| 04:21.47 | GlitchMaster | I see your point.. |
| 04:21.56 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: ok you have to know, first this is noob problem so not a big deal no worry |
| 04:22.22 | GlitchMaster | Must... restrain... grammar fist... |
| 04:22.22 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: try to remove the problematic package. and reinstall it. |
| 04:22.35 | dli | skyisblue, kind of common problem, xkbcomp :( |
| 04:22.44 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: that's not the solution. |
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| 04:23.52 | GlitchMaster | Would somebody kindly explain what xkbcomp does, so that I might better grasp this situation? |
| 04:23.52 | smj | Anyone here use latex2html? |
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| 04:23.52 | mosty | smj, sure |
| 04:23.52 | dli | GlitchMaster, xkeyboard compiling |
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| 04:23.52 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: it compiles the xkb description so X can use it. |
| 04:23.53 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: man xkbcomp; for more details. |
| 04:23.55 | GlitchMaster | Ah. |
| 04:23.59 | dli | GlitchMaster, needed by X for choosing your keyboard driver |
| 04:24.03 | GlitchMaster | ...Why don't I ever use the man files?! >.< |
| 04:24.20 | GlitchMaster | Well... what am I to do about it? ._. |
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| 04:24.32 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: anyway, ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/xkbcomp /etc/X11/xkb/xkbcomp; |
| 04:24.39 | dli | GlitchMaster, unfortuantely, when I got troubles with xkbcomp, man didn't help |
| 04:24.41 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: then try dpkg --configure -a; |
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| 04:24.52 | smj | mosty: I'm generating the LaTeX files in Lyx, but when I translate them to HTML using Latex2HTML, the hyperlinks I've embedded don't get generated as hyperlinks. Instead they're just plain text urls. Any idea what I need to do to make it actually generate hyperlinks? |
| 04:25.16 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: again? :) |
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| 04:25.40 | mosty | smj: are you using the url package? and doing \url{http://foo...} |
| 04:25.47 | GlitchMaster | dondelelcaro: "In -sf"?! |
| 04:25.59 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: ln. NOT In |
| 04:26.08 | dondelelcaro | someone's fonts need tweaking. |
| 04:26.08 | GlitchMaster | ...Sorry... font... -.- |
| 04:26.37 | smj | mosty: I'll have to look at the LaTeX. brb... Thanks for the ear. :-) |
| 04:26.37 | dondelelcaro | it's a bad sign when the font doesn't make the difference between il1I obvious... |
| 04:26.43 | GlitchMaster | Unfortunately, I like the look of an arial-like font, despite its lack l vs. I |
| 04:26.48 | GlitchMaster | Err... |
| 04:27.01 | Bogaurd | has anyone got bwbar working on debian? |
| 04:27.02 | skyisblue | dondelelcaro: i don't get it why GlitchMaster fall into that error.. |
| 04:27.23 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: something overwrote the xkbcomp symlink that shouldn't have, most likely. |
| 04:27.35 | cybercobra | does sarge have wlan support in its initscripts? |
| 04:27.37 | abrotman | Bogaurd: there must be another similar program .. and check the bts |
| 04:27.42 | skyisblue | dondelelcaro: in standard installation should be fine isn't it? |
| 04:27.48 | dli | skyisblue, I still don't know what happened to me. :( when xkbcomp failed |
| 04:27.49 | GlitchMaster | Hmm.. |
| 04:27.51 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: it's always been as far as I know. |
| 04:27.52 | abrotman | cybercobra: mine worked with no extra stuff |
| 04:27.56 | GlitchMaster | I suppose this font isn't bad. |
| 04:27.59 | GlitchMaster | Now, where were we? |
| 04:28.19 | GlitchMaster | The ln thingy. |
| 04:28.22 | smj | mosty: Yip, the LaTex reads that way. There is a line that loads the url package at the beginning of the document stating "\IfFileExists{url.sty}{\usepackage{url}} |
| 04:28.55 | cybercobra | abrotman: so there's a /etc/init.d/wlan0 initscript or something? |
| 04:28.56 | dli | smj: do you use lyx? |
| 04:29.09 | abrotman | cybercobra: well .. mine works via the regular stuff .. as eth0 |
| 04:29.22 | dondelelcaro | s/dif/def/ |
| 04:29.29 | dli | cybercobra, wireless-tools |
| 04:29.42 | toresbe | zinx: hey, I'm back |
| 04:29.51 | dondelelcaro | cybercobra: there's no point for such a thing... you just add wlan0 to your interfaces file. That's all you need to do. |
| 04:29.58 | cybercobra | abrotman: okay then. Debian on the wireless router/server it is then. |
| 04:29.58 | GlitchMaster | dondelelcaro: Thanks. That did the trick. |
| 04:30.01 | skyisblue | dli: you too? |
| 04:30.04 | smj | dli: I'm learning to use Lyx, yes. |
| 04:30.07 | dondelelcaro | cybercobra: if you need special settings, you can use the pre-up commands. |
| 04:30.26 | dli | skyisblue, I found lyx so buggy, with figures :( |
| 04:30.34 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: np |
| 04:31.01 | dli | smj: whenever I insert figure (float or just graphics), always got latex error :( |
| 04:31.06 | toresbe | I'll just write to cctalk |
| 04:31.09 | smj | dondelelcaro: I didn't redefine \url before that. |
| 04:31.41 | Bogaurd | abrotman: how can i check the bts? |
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| 04:31.43 | smj | dli: Sorry, I don't feel I'm at the level of competency to truly assist you with LaTeX. I'm still very much a beginner. |
| 04:31.54 | abrotman | !bts |
| 04:31.54 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 04:32.04 | Bogaurd | abrotman: wait, i got it :) |
| 04:32.09 | dli | smj: do you have such problems? |
| 04:32.16 | risky | Is there any way to know which files are read/written by a command? |
| 04:32.23 | dli | smj: maybe, it's a problem with my installation |
| 04:32.24 | smj | dli: No. |
| 04:32.41 | abrotman | risky: you mean has a file open? |
| 04:32.45 | dli | smj: what's your version #? |
| 04:32.50 | abrotman | risky: or to trace a program to watch it? |
| 04:33.00 | smj | dli: According to dpkg, it's 1.3.4-2. |
| 04:33.12 | risky | abrotman, has a file open |
| 04:33.14 | dli | smj: I'm running 1.3.5 :( |
| 04:33.17 | abrotman | risky: lsof |
| 04:33.26 | smj | dli: Are you running Debian Sid? |
| 04:33.38 | dli | smj: no, gentoo |
| 04:34.11 | drac | .. |
| 04:34.32 | abrotman | dli: gentoo isn't debian |
| 04:35.00 | dli | abrotman, #debian people are smarter |
| 04:35.11 | abrotman | dli: go tell #gentoo that |
| 04:35.20 | smj | dli: Am I on the wrong channel again? |
| 04:35.30 | dondelelcaro | wait, who actually was having a problem with LaTeX? or is this an issue with LyX? or what? |
| 04:35.32 | dli | abrotman: useless, because they don't understand much |
| 04:35.42 | dli | smj: no |
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| 04:35.50 | abrotman | dli: are you really running gentoo? |
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| 04:36.01 | smj | dondelelcaro: Okay, I'm using Lyx to generate LaTeX. |
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| 04:36.23 | dli | dondelelcaro, yeah, my lyx never works with graphics or float figures |
| 04:36.30 | abrotman | kd6pag: time to go to ext3 ? |
| 04:36.41 | smj | dondelelcaro: The problem is that whenever I run latex2html on the output from Lyx, the URLs as specified don't become URLs, they become plain text. |
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| 04:37.01 | mosty | sml, does the url.sty file exist on your system? |
| 04:37.03 | dli | abrotman, yeah, long story, my nvidia card, nvidia-kernel-source hangs the whole system, gentoo has x.org |
| 04:37.17 | abrotman | bad excuse .. but whatever |
| 04:37.20 | dondelelcaro | smj: ah, ok... can you create a small example lyx file, and just stick it on the paster bot? |
| 04:37.27 | smj | mosty: Yes. It exists at /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/misc/url.sty |
| 04:37.37 | smj | dondelelcaro: Which bot is the paster bot? |
| 04:37.40 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 04:37.40 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 04:37.54 | mosty | smj: and are the url's in your .tex source wrapped in \url{} ? |
| 04:38.01 | smj | mosty: Yes. |
| 04:38.15 | dondelelcaro | smj: that'll let me at least replicate the problem, and see if it's not LyX that's doing something stupid |
| 04:38.26 | kd6pag | Thx, dondelelcaro. |
| 04:38.42 | dondelelcaro | (wouldn't surprise me in the least... writing LaTeX is best done in a text editor IMO.) |
| 04:38.57 | smj | If I remove the \IfFileExists{url.sty}{\usepackage{url}} |
| 04:39.14 | smj | and replace it with just \usepackage{url} it kinda works. |
| 04:39.23 | dli | dondelelcaro, I use lyx only when there's no hurry |
| 04:39.43 | dondelelcaro | ok. latex2html must have some wierd kpathsea settings or something then. |
| 04:39.45 | billyoc | maybe you could just pretend you're in a hurry. :) |
| 04:40.19 | dli | billyoc: in hurry, you got no choice, just push things done :) no time to choose |
| 04:40.20 | dondelelcaro | smj: you may also need hyperref loaded... |
| 04:41.23 | dli | billyoc, I always get the error message "Paragraph ended before \@caption was complete.: |
| 04:41.36 | GlitchMaster | Woohoo, I installed Fortune. Now my screensavers have something to play with. ^_^ |
| 04:41.53 | GlitchMaster | (Yes, I know, I'm pathetic.) |
| 04:42.00 | smj | dondelelcaro: I'm generating a file now. Took me a few. Thanks for the help. :-) |
| 04:43.27 | paster | "smj" at 68.99.108.4 pasted "LaTex Output from Lyx's conversion to LaTeX" (22 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/191 |
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| 04:43.31 | rdancer | how can i work around: "PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:07.0. Please try using pci=biosirq." (00:07.1 is "CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1130 (rev 04), fwiw) |
| 04:43.46 | smj | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/191 |
| 04:44.38 | abrotman | rdancer: it tells you? |
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| 04:46.01 | GlitchMaster | I'm getting ghost windows: programs sort of crash, and leave their shapes behind, but the processes are no longer listed, and the windows will not close. |
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| 04:46.10 | GlitchMaster | (windows/tabs) |
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| 04:46.35 | DebUser_ | Hello |
| 04:47.01 | dondelelcaro | smj: look for Unknown commands: IfFileExists; in your latex2html output |
| 04:47.09 | rdancer | abrotman: ehm. pci=biosirq results in panic. don't underestimate me so much... ;-) |
| 04:47.10 | GlitchMaster | For example, mplayer generated errors from not having a font it wanted (gah... must get font!), and now it has left a video window with black contents, and a black shadow of its player object. |
| 04:47.30 | DebUser_ | Is there any danger in leaving a terminal where you're logged in as root open, if no one can have physical access to your computer? |
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| 04:48.45 | dondelelcaro | DebUser_: it's just not something you want to get in the habit of doing |
| 04:48.52 | skyisblue | DebUser_: yes don't be root for usual actvity. |
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| 04:49.14 | abrotman | rdancer: shoot .. |
| 04:50.04 | smj | dondelelcaro: Yip, it's in there. So how do I either a) get Lyx to not put this into the generated LaTex, or b) get latex2html to understand this command? |
| 04:50.18 | rdancer | abrotman: no, no! i don't want to shoot you! 8-) |
| 04:50.51 | Bogaurd | is there a libpng package for woody? |
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| 04:51.02 | abrotman | !shoot rdancer |
| 04:51.04 | rdancer | given that there are 16 IRQ lines, out of which only 14 are usable, it would make sense to simply try those 14 one-by-one, correct? |
| 04:51.06 | abrotman | !tell Bogaurd about search |
| 04:51.07 | rdancer | !kill abrotman |
| 04:51.10 | abrotman | yay |
| 04:51.17 | smj | DebUser_: You never leave an unattended terminal logged in as root. Look into vlock. |
| 04:51.42 | rdancer | 8-) |
| 04:52.02 | dondelelcaro | smj: I'd just edit it the resultant file to ditch that command. I've no idea how to tell lyx not to use it. |
| 04:52.08 | smj | DebUser_: Hell, never leave an unattended terminal logged in at all. Lock the console, either in X or with a console locking tool like vlock. |
| 04:52.38 | smj | dondelelcaro: I was afraid you might say that. I'll write some perl to get rid of it. Thanks for helping me find the problem. |
| 04:52.42 | paster | "dondelelcaro" at 138.23.92.79 pasted "working test.tex file" (24 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/192 |
| 04:53.21 | dondelelcaro | smj: latex2html is also kind of non-free software, and has a bunch of things that it doesn't do particularly well. But for the most basic things, it should be ok. |
| 04:53.43 | rdancer | smj: does vlock -a disable SAK these days? |
| 04:54.12 | dondelelcaro | smj: see also http://www.tug.org/pipermail/latex2html/2004-March/002678.html |
| 04:54.56 | smj | rdancer: Actually, I still don't like vlock because it can be worked around, but it's better than nothing if you need to stay logged in. I run as much from remote or unattended with output to file as I can. I do my damndest to never leave the terminal unattended, even for mere seconds. |
| 04:55.11 | smj | rdancer: Malicious individuals lurk everywhere. |
| 04:55.28 | karsten | smj: Not true. Sometimes they're active participants. |
| 04:56.43 | rdancer | smj: worked around? |
| 04:56.57 | simonrvn | rdancer: rather easily |
| 04:57.04 | rdancer | simonrvn: explain |
| 04:57.16 | skyisblue | smj: no no Malicious company. |
| 04:57.17 | smj | rdancer: Yeah, I don't know how, but I've been told that by an old sysadmin I know. |
| 04:57.26 | simonrvn | i can't it was accidental :) |
| 04:57.37 | rdancer | simonrvn: oom killer |
| 04:57.40 | smj | dondelelcaro: Non-free? |
| 04:57.52 | rdancer | simonrvn: or basically it can crash |
| 04:58.11 | simonrvn | oh yeh, i'd killed it |
| 04:58.17 | rdancer | simonrvn: how? |
| 04:58.23 | smj | dondelelcaro: Why do I get the feeling I might want to look into texi2html? |
| 04:58.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:58.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 04:58.33 | simonrvn | no.. |
| 04:58.49 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.49 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.49 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.52 | simonrvn | something happened, and it died. |
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| 04:59.29 | GlitchMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.38 | GlitchMaster | I'm just going to relax and play my DS. Other problems can wait. |
| 04:59.46 | GlitchMaster | Damn, Sarge has a lot of problems, though. |
| 04:59.50 | rdancer | simonrvn: just after your playing with the keyboard? |
| 04:59.53 | GlitchMaster | I suppose it's worth it though... |
| 04:59.56 | rdancer | s/after/while/ |
| 04:59.57 | abrotman | pebcak |
| 05:00.15 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: /msg dpkg mepis |
| 05:00.20 | simonrvn | rdancer: it was a while ago. last year |
| 05:00.29 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: there are probably ten thousand or more open bugs... with about 100-200 of them RC> |
| 05:01.03 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: then you haven't been using it for very long. |
| 05:01.03 | rdancer | !sid evangelism |
| 05:01.03 | dpkg | i guess sid evangelism is Sure, run Sid all you like - do as you please - just don't advise inexperienced users to run unstable as their main debian install. If you do, you get to help them exclusively, and #debian gets to curse your name for ever more. |
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| 05:01.29 | skyisblue | dondelelcaro: no i am using 2.6.11-rc1 on sid |
| 05:01.36 | rdancer | skyisblue: then you've been using it for ~1 month, or you're really bad at noticing problems |
| 05:01.46 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: your kernel has nothing what soever to do with it |
| 05:01.48 | smj | dondelelcaro, mosty: Thanks for the LaTeX help. G'night! |
| 05:02.12 | skyisblue | dondelelcaro: yes but it prove i using it lately. ;) |
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| 05:02.23 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 05:02.31 | skyisblue | :P |
| 05:02.57 | rdancer | good molnin, FierdySnuts |
| 05:03.03 | skyisblue | XD |
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| 05:04.45 | rdancer | anybody has an idea how to hard-assign an IRQ to pin A of PCI:00:07.0 & pin B of PCI:00:07.1 ? |
| 05:04.57 | bucky | !tell FieldySnuts about engrish |
| 05:05.11 | FieldySnuts | @lart bucky |
| 05:05.23 | rdancer | kernel command-line or otherwise, or hacking the source |
| 05:05.25 | eno_ | i have a hp psc 1200, it's a printer + scanner. i've got printing working, but xsane won't detect a scanner... any ideas? |
| 05:05.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 05:05.58 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of herring, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 three-legged goats. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:06.07 | GlitchMaster | I don't plan to give up Debian. It's fun to mess with. It'll be a while before I actually get things to work, but when I do, I will have learned much, and will be able to take pride in it. |
| 05:06.50 | GlitchMaster | !ne1 |
| 05:06.50 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 05:07.03 | GlitchMaster | I had to see. |
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| 05:07.47 | john | What is openbox? |
| 05:07.55 | rdancer | GlitchMaster: /msg dpkg ne1 |
| 05:07.58 | dondelelcaro | john: a window manager that doesn't suck (much) |
| 05:08.23 | GlitchMaster | Is that saying that chatspeak stuff is originating from EFnet in #amiga, or that the statement describing the idiocy is? |
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| 05:08.37 | john | better then fluxbox? |
| 05:08.53 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: dunno, you'd have to ask xenohugs |
| 05:08.57 | rdancer | GlitchMaster: it says the quote in doublequotes is quoted from the source in the parens |
| 05:08.59 | dondelelcaro | john: similar, but different. |
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| 05:09.14 | GlitchMaster | I wonder where chatspeak originated... |
| 05:09.23 | dondelelcaro | GlitchMaster: it's been around forever. |
| 05:09.25 | AzazeL | how does one fix broken packages ? :/ |
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| 05:09.34 | dondelelcaro | AzazeL: by fixing them. |
| 05:09.35 | GlitchMaster | When I find out, I will build a time machine out of an Apple ][ and go back to destroy the person that invented it. |
| 05:09.51 | dondelelcaro | stupid question, meet stupid answer. |
| 05:09.55 | AzazeL | dondelelcaro, how do I do that |
| 05:09.56 | Phated | WTF is "chatspeak"? |
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| 05:10.01 | Malf | depends on what you mean by broken really |
| 05:10.11 | rdancer | !irritate Phated |
| 05:10.12 | dpkg | Phated: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse !!!! |
| 05:10.19 | Phated | Ahh. |
| 05:10.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 05:10.22 | rdancer | Phated: that |
| 05:10.26 | FieldySnuts | hi Phated :) |
| 05:10.30 | dondelelcaro | AzazeL: if you tell us how it's broken (ideally by pasting the apt-get or dpkg output you get into #flood) we'll be able to help you. |
| 05:10.32 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hey sista. |
| 05:10.43 | FieldySnuts | the hell are you doin up |
| 05:10.43 | AzazeL | ok sure |
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| 05:10.57 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It'a 1 pm, I got every right to be up. :) |
| 05:10.59 | GlitchMaster | Phated: Chatspeak = "OMFGLOLZWTFBBQ Y R U CALING ME A N00B UR A N00B N00B!111!1~`111!11qq1111" |
| 05:11.04 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: otherwise, we'll just sit here making oddly sarcastic comments all day (and all night) long... which may also be midly entertaining. |
| 05:11.05 | FieldySnuts | oh oops |
| 05:11.06 | rdancer | _zilch: also, /msg dpkg bts could be a good start |
| 05:11.12 | GlitchMaster | That was very painful to type. |
| 05:11.18 | FieldySnuts | painful to read |
| 05:11.22 | Phated | It was painful to see, too. |
| 05:11.28 | rdancer | !irritate GlitchMaster |
| 05:11.29 | dpkg | GlitchMaster: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses gnome thx |
| 05:11.40 | thepascalpro | how do i access the netpbm libraries that debian installs? |
| 05:11.49 | FieldySnuts | heh i like the one that's something like "how do i r get debain warez? lolz how to fix cable??? |
| 05:11.53 | dondelelcaro | thepascalpro: you mean compile something against them? |
| 05:12.00 | DebUser_ | hahaah @ dpkg |
| 05:12.01 | _zilch | I pasted the output in #flood |
| 05:12.07 | thepascalpro | well just access some programs that it created |
| 05:12.19 | FieldySnuts | @annoy DebUser_ |
| 05:12.22 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:12.27 | bbhill | !irritate bbhill |
| 05:12.28 | dpkg | bbhill: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz lol |
| 05:12.31 | _zilch | okay |
| 05:12.32 | FieldySnuts | mepis haha |
| 05:12.35 | bbhill | hahahahaha |
| 05:12.37 | bbhill | mine was the best. |
| 05:12.46 | rdancer | yeah, help me fux0rz is one of mine favourites |
| 05:12.56 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: are you running sarge or sid? have you run apt-get update; recently? |
| 05:12.57 | Phated | Don't make me !stupid bot tricks all of you. |
| 05:13.03 | _zilch | sarge |
| 05:13.04 | bbhill | Heya Phated |
| 05:13.06 | _zilch | yes I have |
| 05:13.09 | Malf | !irritate Malf |
| 05:13.10 | dpkg | Malf: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 05:13.12 | dondelelcaro | !depends kde sarge |
| 05:13.14 | FieldySnuts | heh there it is |
| 05:13.15 | dpkg | kde: depends on kde-core, kde-amusements, kdeaddons, kdeadmin, kdeartwork, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdeutils, kdewebdev |
| 05:13.15 | dondelelcaro | !info kdeaddons sarge |
| 05:13.15 | bbhill | debina LOL |
| 05:13.16 | Phated | bbhill: Hey, got your stuff working? |
| 05:13.17 | Malf | beautiful |
| 05:13.18 | dpkg | kdeaddons: (add-on plugins and applets provided with KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 05:13.19 | bbhill | that rules |
| 05:13.29 | Malf | I need to work on getting debina up to date |
| 05:13.35 | FieldySnuts | "wenas" is a french term for something really nasty too |
| 05:13.42 | bbhill | Phated: I'm in the old kernel right now, working fine. I still need to figure out the new one.. But it's a little late and im not in the right state of mind. :) |
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| 05:13.48 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: ok, kdeaddons should be in sarge already. What happens when you try to apt-get install kdeaddons? [ |
| 05:13.54 | Phated | bbhill: Haha, no worries. I know how that feels. |
| 05:13.54 | bbhill | if only they could turn "va te faire enculer" into warez speak |
| 05:13.55 | _zilch | well the thing is I started downloading kde packages and my internet conked off, so now this problem |
| 05:13.56 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: paste the output into #flood again if it fails |
| 05:14.15 | _zilch | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:14.15 | _zilch | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.15 | _zilch | E: Broken packages |
| 05:14.24 | _zilch | woops sorry |
| 05:14.24 | dondelelcaro | !info vimpart |
| 05:14.26 | dondelelcaro | !info vimpart sarge |
| 05:14.33 | dpkg | vimpart: (embedded Vim text editor component for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 102 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 05:14.35 | dpkg | vimpart: (embedded Vim text editor component for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 102 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 05:15.07 | Barna | How can I get infos about an usb device on debian stable (kernel 2.4.18)? seems that I have no usbfs on that box... |
| 05:15.07 | _zilch | apt-get install vimpart gives tons of dependancy errors again |
| 05:15.07 | skyisblue | does debian mirror site use vsftpd? |
| 05:15.10 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: ok, what dependency errors is it giving? |
| 05:15.25 | GlitchMaster | Well... |
| 05:15.29 | GlitchMaster | Time for the DS fun. |
| 05:15.32 | risky | FieldySnuts, wenas is also "buenas" in spanish, which means good morning/afternoon/night |
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| 05:16.04 | FieldySnuts | hm. sussudio told me wenas was a french term meaning someone who likes to insert tomatoes and small mammals up their [deleted] |
| 05:16.09 | FieldySnuts | guess I got trolled |
| 05:16.15 | risky | Haha |
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| 05:16.39 | bbhill | Tantouse is a good french term too |
| 05:17.27 | thd | Why would Xsession be ignored by startx? I cannot run anything but an empty root xwindow with a pointer. Window managers, etc. will not load. This is a new sarge install with xfree86-4. In woody, the barest x install was always functional. |
| 05:17.31 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: install one of the kvim packages (just kvim will probably work) |
| 05:17.40 | Phated | Bah, I think "wenas" was just supposed to be a aolisation of "weeners". |
| 05:17.52 | bob2 | thd: you mean ~/.xsession? |
| 05:17.54 | FieldySnuts | you're the aol expert, so okay |
| 05:18.03 | Phated | Ai! |
| 05:18.03 | thd | bob2 either |
| 05:18.07 | dondelelcaro | thd: does .xsession-errors have anything in it? |
| 05:18.09 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 05:18.15 | bob2 | thd: well, that's the only one that will work |
| 05:18.25 | bob2 | well, that and .xinitrc, but we're not on 1995 slackware |
| 05:18.26 | _zilch | still getting errors dondelelcaro |
| 05:18.37 | Malf | or are we? |
| 05:18.40 | Malf | DUN DUN DUN |
| 05:18.41 | FieldySnuts | ugh i'm drunk, sleep, after 1am here |
| 05:18.58 | thd | .xsession-errors has only starting and stoping messages that seem normal. |
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| 05:19.33 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: ok, finally we're getting somewhere. You've got a vim package from unstable installed. |
| 05:19.41 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: that won't work with kvim from sarge at all. |
| 05:20.01 | _zilch | ohh |
| 05:20.09 | _zilch | okay so what should I do |
| 05:20.25 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: apt-get install vim=1:6.3-046+1; then run apt-get install kde; again. |
| 05:20.36 | _zilch | alright thanks a lot |
| 05:20.50 | JoshTriplett | Has anyone else ever encountered strange errors when starting metacity, like "Window manager warning: Log level 6: file errors.c: line 100 (meta_error_trap_pop_internal): assertion failed: (restored_error_handler == x_error_handler)" |
| 05:20.53 | Xsquared_ | i want to install debian on my box with win2k. It doesn't have the internet connected to it. does anyone have any suggestions on dual booting? |
| 05:20.55 | JoshTriplett | Google didn't turn up anything. |
| 05:20.58 | dondelelcaro | and in the future, don't mix and match testing and unstable unless you're well aware of what you're doing |
| 05:20.59 | _zilch | thank you dondelelcaro |
| 05:21.06 | Barna | Any tips how to get usb device infos on stable (kernel 2.4.18)? dmesg only says "USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x471/0x312) is not claimed by any active driver." |
| 05:21.07 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: np |
| 05:21.08 | _zilch | alright got it |
| 05:21.12 | cwood | Xsquared: You might be better off getting a cd set. |
| 05:21.20 | _zilch | should I just remove the unstable source from sources.list ? |
| 05:21.20 | JoshTriplett | xsquared: Get at least the first CD. |
| 05:21.33 | Xsquared_ | cwood: i have got the woody cd set |
| 05:21.43 | Xsquared_ | cwood: and i can get it on the internet to update it |
| 05:21.45 | dondelelcaro | _zilch: yes. |
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| 05:21.59 | JoshTriplett | xsquared: OK. Do you have a way to resize your Windows partition? |
| 05:22.08 | JoshTriplett | xsquared: If not, the Sarge CDs can do that. |
| 05:22.11 | _zilch | alright cool =) ty again |
| 05:22.14 | skyisblue | Xsquared_: then just install it and it ask you to install grub and then choose YES |
| 05:22.56 | cwood | Xsquared: You're better off keeping GRUB or Lilo for your boot loader, and configuring that to load Windows as well. Windows is dopey and doesn't want to admit the presence of other operating systems. (At least, not that I've been able to get it to.) |
| 05:23.09 | JoshTriplett | cwood: Agreed. |
| 05:23.19 | JoshTriplett | cwood: (from back when I dual-booted.) |
| 05:23.22 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: can resize fat partitions? |
| 05:23.32 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: And NTFS too, AFAIK. |
| 05:23.38 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: All from within the installer. |
| 05:23.48 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: i have used ntfsresize, didn't know about fat |
| 05:23.50 | cwood | Grub>lilo, my experience when the Grub command line has pulled my nuts out of the fire on several occasions. ;-) |
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| 05:24.07 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: Heh; historically NTFS was the hard one. |
| 05:24.09 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: ntfsresize didn't work for me, though |
| 05:24.12 | thd | bob2: .xsession seems to have no effect nor .xinitrc. |
| 05:24.13 | risky | Yeah |
| 05:24.33 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: not from the d-i, though, some other live cd |
| 05:25.48 | JoshTriplett | Has anyone else ever encountered strange errors when starting metacity, like "Window manager warning: Log level 6: file errors.c: line 100 (meta_error_trap_pop_internal): assertion failed: (restored_error_handler == x_error_handler)" |
| 05:26.28 | dondelelcaro | metacity? hahahaha <choke> <choke> |
| 05:26.32 | Xsquared_ | cwood: ive never used grub only lilo.. which one is better, and how will the disk be laid out? will /usr /home etc.. be in the root dir or in a folder...? |
| 05:26.56 | mosty | xsquared: there's no big deal either way |
| 05:27.01 | cwood | Grub is just a boot loader. Its files will live in /boot, a bit like Lilo. |
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| 05:27.33 | karsten | Xsquared_: Does your system boot? If so, don't worry about it. |
| 05:27.34 | _zilch | how do I get 'xwmconfig' to work |
| 05:27.53 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 05:27.55 | karsten | Xsquared_: ...I've used both. I prefer GRUB. If you don't want to mess with it and you've got a bootable system with LILO, leave it. |
| 05:28.05 | karsten | _zilch: pay it more. |
| 05:28.06 | Malf | Xsquared: What do you mean exactly when you say how will the disk be laid out? |
| 05:28.25 | karsten | Xsquared_: bootloader is orthogonal to partitioning scheme. |
| 05:28.34 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: /me just felt like trying out GNOME. |
| 05:28.34 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: just harrassing you about your choice of window managers... ;-) |
| 05:28.43 | Xsquared_ | karsten: i have a clean hd |
| 05:28.43 | karsten | Xsquared_: ...to a very large approximation, anyway. |
| 05:28.43 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: I use KDE. |
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| 05:29.05 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: oh, then I should have pulled out Monsieur Gillotine instead of the rope... ;-) |
| 05:29.12 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 05:29.16 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: What do you use, then? |
| 05:29.28 | Phated | Guillotine, guillotine! |
| 05:29.28 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: openbox actually... I'm kind of anti DE. |
| 05:29.35 | karsten | Xsquared_: Sounds like the question you haven't asked but want us to impute is: I'm installing Debian on a fresh system. What are the advantages of LILO vs. GRUB? Am I close? |
| 05:29.38 | Phated | Openbox cool. |
| 05:29.40 | karsten | !tell Xsquared_ about esp |
| 05:29.40 | skyisblue | Xsquared_: if you stuck with partition problem, try acronis on windows |
| 05:29.42 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: /me tried WMI, which is quite interesting. |
| 05:29.43 | Xsquared_ | malf: hows the folders laid out, is all the folders mixed into the drive... so we have C:\WINNT and C:\usr C:\etc |
| 05:29.52 | Malf | ahh |
| 05:29.55 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: although, I did at one point go from kde->gnome->e17->black->flux->open... |
| 05:29.59 | Phated | C:\? :| |
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| 05:30.05 | bbhill | Unless ive made some sort of a n00b error, openbox dosent have alt-f1 , alt-f2, etc to switch desktops, does it? I have to use the mousewheel when im in there. |
| 05:30.06 | scarynetworkguy | WTF? |
| 05:30.10 | Malf | Xsquared: unless things've changed since I last dual booted two years ago |
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| 05:30.15 | JoshTriplett | xsquared: That will not happen. |
| 05:30.18 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: you can remap them to anything you want. |
| 05:30.19 | Malf | You probably won't see your linux system at all |
| 05:30.20 | Malf | from windows |
| 05:30.25 | Xsquared_ | good |
| 05:30.27 | Xsquared_ | thanks |
| 05:30.56 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: FE, in my ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml: <keybind key="A-F1"><action name="Desktop"><desktop>1</desktop></action></keybind> |
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| 05:30.59 | Phated | bbhill: Don't think so. |
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| 05:31.10 | Phated | Yeah what dondelelcaro said. |
| 05:31.20 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: So no idea on the metacity bug, then? |
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| 05:31.27 | karsten | Xsquared_: Is this / will this be dual boot? |
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| 05:31.34 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: It seems to prevent GNOME from starting entirely. |
| 05:31.34 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Metacity is a bug. |
| 05:31.36 | bbhill | Ahh, I see. dondelelcaro . What do you prefer about open over flux? |
| 05:31.39 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: no clue... someone in here might know. |
| 05:31.40 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Heh. |
| 05:31.55 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: the main point is that it was actually being maintained by someone who was writing new code. |
| 05:32.03 | Xsquared_ | karsten: ei? what do u mean? |
| 05:32.14 | Phated | bbhill: It's just a teeny bit faster, and you don't need to turn on antialiasing for decent-looking fonts. :) |
| 05:32.17 | n3o_X | Are there MegaRaid drivers for the debian install? and how would i obtain it to put onto a floppy to preload it.. |
| 05:32.34 | karsten | Xsquared_: do you have a dual boot system? Is this / will it be Debian only, or other OSs? |
| 05:32.43 | bbhill | Yeah ive got em both, I like flux more, but then again I dont know how to properly configure open. |
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| 05:32.50 | karsten | n3o_X: STFW |
| 05:32.57 | dondelelcaro | n3o_X: yes, almost all of the megaraid cards are supported by d-i installer. |
| 05:32.57 | scarynetworkguy | bbhill: Seems to have a smaller memory footprint and I like the way the dock/slit works better. Also I like obconf better than fluxconf. |
| 05:33.21 | Xsquared_ | karsten: i want to dual boot win2k with debian.. at the moment i have nothing on this clean hd |
| 05:33.47 | thepascalpro | how do i accept input in a shell script? |
| 05:33.49 | Phated | Fluxconf, bah. |
| 05:33.53 | JoshTriplett | thepascalpro: "read". |
| 05:33.58 | n3o_X | mine isnt, i have a built in megaraid 5... When i boot it up it doesnt recognize that there are any drives |
| 05:34.02 | thepascalpro | read ? |
| 05:34.05 | JoshTriplett | thepascalpro: Returns a line read from standard input. |
| 05:34.12 | thepascalpro | like what if i want to pass some parameters in the commmand itself |
| 05:34.14 | Phated | dondelelcaro: "wmweather... When you just don't have a window." |
| 05:34.29 | JoshTriplett | thepascalpro: Ah, like name_of_script command line arguments? |
| 05:34.29 | karsten | Xsquared_: Recommendation: 2 partitions initially, leave one alone. Install Win2K first. Install Debian next, partition as desired. Use GRUB bootloader. There's docs on this WRT installation and bootloader configuration. |
| 05:34.33 | bbhill | What ... is docking? I hear people say it alot but i've got no clue. Is that like mounting? |
| 05:34.34 | thepascalpro | yea |
| 05:34.42 | karsten | Xsquared_: If you have *two* HDs, so much the better. |
| 05:34.47 | JoshTriplett | thepascalpro: Use "$1", "$2", etc. Or "$@" for all of them. |
| 05:34.50 | dondelelcaro | Phated: heh. here the weather is so boring, there's almost never a point to wmweather |
| 05:34.50 | Phated | bbhill: No, the dock is a place where you can use wm dockapps. |
| 05:34.54 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Haha. |
| 05:35.03 | thd | bob2: I do have some common minor issues visible on killing X. "Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0" etc. What could possibly stop .xsession from having an effect? I have not done enough with the new sarge install yet to break anything. Has x broken recently in sarge? |
| 05:35.10 | dondelelcaro | Phated: although, I do have gkrellmweather or something running |
| 05:35.13 | bbhill | ... And what exactly is a dockapp? :P |
| 05:35.20 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Actually... I -have- a window, but I can't read the temperature from it. :) |
| 05:35.21 | bob2 | thd: not that I've heard of |
| 05:35.25 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: wmspaceweather |
| 05:35.34 | bob2 | bbhill: docking it to a side of your screen, basically, so it just sits there |
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| 05:35.42 | bbhill | Oh. like I do with my gkrellm. |
| 05:35.43 | skyisblue | Xsquare_: partition first, winxp second, debian last. |
| 05:35.44 | n3o_X | were can i download a mega raid drivers for the d-i |
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| 05:35.59 | bob2 | bbhill: -w on gkrellm is the 'dock' option |
| 05:36.04 | Phated | bbhill: It's a little thing that sits there and just displays stuff. Usually begins with wm* and does things like display weather, memory usae, the matrix, a duck, blobs, disk sopace, and so on. |
| 05:36.05 | bob2 | n3o_X: it comes with them, afaik |
| 05:36.12 | bob2 | n3o_X: #debian-boot would be the place to ask |
| 05:36.22 | bbhill | It displays weather? Local weather? |
| 05:36.23 | MrP | What is the best way to build source code? (ie: In what directory, etc) |
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| 05:36.25 | Phated | Sure. |
| 05:36.27 | bbhill | Thats pretty nifty |
| 05:36.30 | brian__ | hi |
| 05:36.32 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: assuming you have a weather station close, yes. |
| 05:36.33 | brian__ | does anyone here know the proper ide chipset driver to be used for dma/hdparm on a k7s5a motherboard by ECS? thanks in advance... |
| 05:36.34 | Xsquared_ | karsten: i have two hd's... one for backup one for system |
| 05:36.43 | bob2 | MrP: in your homedir somewhere |
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| 05:36.52 | Phated | bbhill: There are several dockapps that can do different things. I currently run wmweather and wmitime. :) |
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| 05:36.54 | bob2 | brian__: default debian kernel doesn't work? |
| 05:36.59 | bbhill | dondelelcaro: I live in washington DC i think there should be one nearby somewhere. :P |
| 05:37.09 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: yeah, probably national will work for you. |
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| 05:37.18 | brian__ | bob2: i dontuse debian.. im just asking here cuz its a linux gathering place..... |
| 05:37.18 | karsten | Xsquared_: A backup HD is 1) not a backup and 2) not useful for a dual installation. |
| 05:37.42 | bob2 | brian__: try ##linux |
| 05:37.45 | bbhill | Reagan Airport yep |
| 05:37.56 | thd | bob2: I did not, but if I tried to force .xsession not to be read what would I do? What would I then do to restore the processing of .xsession? |
| 05:37.57 | bbhill | It sucks to drive there. |
| 05:38.02 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: yeah, It'll be national to me for quite some time. |
| 05:38.07 | Xsquared_ | karsten: thats what i ment |
| 05:38.08 | bob2 | reagan got an airport named after him? |
| 05:38.19 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah, and a highway near his library |
| 05:38.20 | bbhill | bob2: yep, washington DC reagan national airport |
| 05:38.29 | bbhill | We've got dulles international airport right by here too. |
| 05:38.36 | bob2 | yeah, I was gonna say |
| 05:38.49 | karsten | Xsquared_: Sorry. If English isn't your first language, please be clear in what you're saying. I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 05:39.12 | bob2 | can we look forward to Clinton Airport at some point then? |
| 05:39.28 | bbhill | Monica Lewinski international airport |
| 05:39.35 | bbhill | Executive Cigar Lounge! |
| 05:39.49 | karsten | bob2: Can we look forward to a Howard Airport at some point ;-) |
| 05:39.51 | dondelelcaro | not that any sane person would ever care about driving on the 118 |
| 05:39.55 | Xsquared_ | karsten: im 15. i use one hd to backup all my work files so i have a copy if anything fails and my other hd as my system one. |
| 05:40.00 | bob2 | karsten: good god I hope not |
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| 05:40.19 | bob2 | karsten: there'll be an electorate (~= congressional district) named after him when he dies, tho |
| 05:40.22 | karsten | Xsquared_: The salient point here is that you're trying to install two OSs on one HD, and the second HD is *not* available for the installation. |
| 05:40.24 | skyisblue | Xsquared_: you can see this irc log later http://meme.b9.com |
| 05:40.38 | karsten | Xsquared_: In which case, don't bring HD 2 into the discussion, I don't need to know about it. |
| 05:41.14 | bbhill | Chorizo!! |
| 05:41.14 | bob2 | yummay |
| 05:41.20 | bob2 | vegan chorizo, I assume? |
| 05:41.24 | bbhill | Vegan chorizo!? |
| 05:41.24 | dondelelcaro | bob2: heh. no. |
| 05:41.30 | bbhill | yuck |
| 05:41.52 | dondelelcaro | bob2: pig parts+seasoning+eggs+sour cream. Mmmm. |
| 05:42.01 | risky | Didn't know you guys called chorizos... chorizos |
| 05:42.01 | bbhill | dondelelcaro: you make your own? |
| 05:42.05 | dondelelcaro | bbhill: no... |
| 05:42.23 | bbhill | dondelelcaro: Ah, I see. |
| 05:42.28 | bob2 | risky: english steals words from *every* language :) |
| 05:42.30 | thd | bob2: What informs the system to use .xsession as opposed to .xinitrc or any other file after running startx? |
| 05:42.30 | deadcat | microwave (= |
| 05:42.46 | bob2 | thd: something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/, aiui |
| 05:42.54 | dondelelcaro | risky: when it can be pronounced, we usually take the native word for whatever it is. |
| 05:43.02 | risky | bob2, you could speak spanish nowadays without knowing much of it also |
| 05:43.09 | dondelelcaro | risky: when it can't, we screw up the pronunciation, and use that word instead. |
| 05:43.16 | thepascalpro | next question - i have a LOT of data being dumped to the terminal screen, hwo do i save it? |
| 05:43.16 | bob2 | thd: did you try 'touch'ing a file from ~/.xsession to make sure it's really not running at all? |
| 05:43.26 | bob2 | risky: hah |
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| 05:43.53 | thd | :q |
| 05:43.55 | mlewis00 | What is the hex character for the <enter> key? i.e. NOT carriage-return / LF but ^M... |
| 05:44.04 | karsten | mlewis00: man ascii |
| 05:44.25 | thd | sorry wrong keyboard |
| 05:44.33 | bob2 | heh |
| 05:44.52 | mlewis00 | karsten: Thanks, I never cease to be amazed at what is available as a manual :) |
| 05:45.04 | MrP | What package contains the c++ compiler? |
| 05:45.07 | karsten | mlewis00: ...and are you looking for the character (CR) or the keysym? |
| 05:45.13 | karsten | mlewis00: NP ;-) |
| 05:45.16 | iceman | MrP: g++ |
| 05:45.18 | karsten | MrP: g++ |
| 05:45.31 | MrP | Ok, thanks much :) |
| 05:45.49 | bob2 | MrP: but you'll want build-essential installed to get anything to build |
| 05:45.54 | skyisblue | MrP: aptitude and "/" and "g++" or "c++" |
| 05:46.09 | mlewis00 | karsten: The character so that I can include a ^M in an ascii text file... |
| 05:46.32 | mlewis00 | Or should I say binary file :) |
| 05:46.55 | karsten | mlewis00: dec/hex/char: 13 0D CR |
| 05:47.50 | mlewis00 | karsten: Doesn't work...0x0d is carriage return, not the same as ^M evidently. |
| 05:48.20 | mlewis00 | karsten: At least not to Linux... |
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| 05:50.55 | PenjejakNeraka | Hi guys |
| 05:51.07 | PenjejakNeraka | How can I enable IPv6 in Debian? |
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| 05:51.58 | verny | ok quick question |
| 05:52.04 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: For what it's worth, I found the problem and solution. |
| 05:52.20 | verny | debian just quit 3 times in the past 15 minutes |
| 05:52.27 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: The GTK-Qt engine does something that breaks metacity. |
| 05:52.33 | verny | i dont know what is happening im not doin anything but xchat |
| 05:52.36 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Switching to another theme unbreaks it. |
| 05:52.38 | skyisblue | PenjejakNeraka: it should be turn it on (<M> or <*>) network section in kernel option |
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| 05:52.48 | JoshTriplett | verny: Define "quit". |
| 05:52.58 | skyisblue | PenjejakNeraka: i.e. you have to kernel compile |
| 05:53.15 | bob2 | so, I tried to complain about a shitty website by emailing webmaster@domain |
| 05:53.18 | bob2 | and it BOUNCED |
| 05:53.19 | bob2 | morons |
| 05:53.32 | verny | JoshTriplett, the last time all these different colored fonts appeared and a black screen |
| 05:53.45 | verny | im new to linux |
| 05:53.49 | verny | second day |
| 05:53.50 | JoshTriplett | verny: Did it look like what Debian looks like when you boot? |
| 05:53.54 | JoshTriplett | verny: Congrats. :) |
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| 05:54.24 | verny | JoshTriplett, yeah but the entire screen was filled with random letters and numbers |
| 05:54.33 | JoshTriplett | verny: Hmmm. |
| 05:54.36 | JoshTriplett | verny: 1) What video card do you have, and what driver are you using? |
| 05:54.47 | JoshTriplett | verny: 2) Did you hit any unusual key combinations? |
| 05:54.54 | JoshTriplett | verny: 3) Do you use a framebuffer? |
| 05:55.13 | skyisblue | verny: /msg dpkg mepis |
| 05:55.34 | bob2 | can we not do mepis fanboying in here, skyisblue ? |
| 05:55.48 | verny | JoshTriplett, 1) i dunno my video car i know its old 2) not that i know of 3) i dont know how to do the fram buffer |
| 05:55.48 | bob2 | if you're going to recommend another distro, ubuntu's a way better choice, anyway ;-) |
| 05:56.00 | skyisblue | bob2: sorry but can |
| 05:56.03 | scarynetworkguy | !geezersmite bob2 |
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| 05:56.08 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Agreed. |
| 05:56.09 | skyisblue | 't resist.. |
| 05:56.25 | I_am_Dave | I'm trying to run a command during the start up so I made a file myStartup in the /etc/init.d folder.In the file I put "dhclient eth0" which is the command I need to get online. But the script didn't run. Did I do something wrong. |
| 05:56.28 | scarynetworkguy | And also can't type. |
| 05:56.32 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Hats can eat things? |
| 05:56.37 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 05:56.43 | bob2 | there's some joke about your spelling mistake and Fedora, but it's beyond me right now |
| 05:56.44 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: Heh. |
| 05:56.53 | JoshTriplett | verny: Can you post the output of "lspci" to #flood ? |
| 05:56.56 | bob2 | I_am_Dave: you don't need to do that |
| 05:57.14 | verny | do i do that in terminal |
| 05:57.15 | bob2 | I_am_Dave: just setup eth0 to use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:57.21 | PenjejakNeraka | skyisblue, thanks for the info |
| 05:57.23 | JoshTriplett | verny: Yes. |
| 05:57.29 | I_am_Dave | will do. Thanks bob2 |
| 05:57.36 | malex|home | Hi. Is there a guide how to replicate a Debian system? My HDD is going south (whiny WD) and I just installed and partitioned a new HDD. My 2nd question would be if I might be better off by installing sarge from anew to get rid of cruft I accumulated over the last few years I've been running this same Debian install. |
| 05:57.39 | PenjejakNeraka | this default kernel doesn't contain ipv6 module :( |
| 05:57.46 | skyisblue | PenjejakNeraka: good luck |
| 05:57.47 | verny | just type lspci |
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| 05:57.55 | JoshTriplett | verny: Yes. |
| 05:57.56 | bob2 | pabl0: what does 'uname -r' print out? |
| 05:58.01 | verny | k lemme try |
| 05:58.08 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: You should be able to just copy the filesystem over using tar. |
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| 05:58.20 | bob2 | bah |
| 05:58.21 | mlewis00 | Maybe I should have asked the question differently...how would I enter a command from an xterm and have it executed on /dev/vc/1 ? |
| 05:58.31 | bob2 | PenjejakNeraka_: what does 'uname -r' print out? |
| 05:58.43 | bob2 | mlewis00: is that possible? |
| 05:58.49 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Yes. |
| 05:58.51 | bbhill | Off topic question.. What is a greater internet offense? ne1, or !!!!1? |
| 05:58.53 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: Try "socat". |
| 05:58.55 | malex|home | JoshTriplett: I'll have to chroot and set up lilo after that, right? |
| 05:59.01 | JoshTriplett | bbhill: The former. |
| 05:59.03 | PenjejakNeraka | irwan@narcissus:~$ uname -r |
| 05:59.04 | PenjejakNeraka | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 05:59.09 | bob2 | bbhill: the latter is always done in an ironic sense |
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| 05:59.19 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: Probably. |
| 05:59.20 | bbhill | bob2: I think some people actually do it as a typo. |
| 05:59.24 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: Thanks... |
| 05:59.42 | bob2 | PenjejakNeraka_: you need a more modern kernel |
| 05:59.45 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: I suggest doing this from within a live CD. |
| 05:59.52 | bob2 | PenjejakNeraka_: get recent 2.4 or 2.6 from www.backports.org |
| 05:59.58 | PenjejakNeraka | bob2, ok :) |
| 06:00.20 | skyisblue | bob2: recent kernel include ipv6? |
| 06:00.39 | malex|home | JoshTriplett: Will first Sarge CD work for that? |
| 06:00.43 | bob2 | skyisblue: it's been in for ages, but it was crap up until 2.4.2something |
| 06:00.55 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: Sure, just open a shell. |
| 06:00.56 | skyisblue | thx |
| 06:01.07 | verny | JoshTriplett, did u get that |
| 06:01.09 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: Though you might want something with ssh, if you want to stream over the network. |
| 06:01.18 | JoshTriplett | verny: Yup. Looks like an ATI 3D Rage. |
| 06:01.26 | JoshTriplett | verny: What video driver are you using? |
| 06:01.51 | verny | JoshTriplett, my buddy setup debian for me i dont know what he did |
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| 06:02.12 | verny | JoshTriplett, is there a way i can change it myself |
| 06:02.16 | JoshTriplett | verny: Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and tell me what the "Driver" line in the "Device" section says. |
| 06:02.20 | skyisblue | htg bye |
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| 06:02.43 | verny | JoshTriplett, do that in terminal as well |
| 06:02.49 | malex|home | JoshTriplett: Both HDDs, old and new are in the same system atm. I was wondering in general if I'll be better off by installing sarge from scratch to get rid of the cruft I probably accumulated over the years. |
| 06:02.51 | JoshTriplett | verny: Yes. |
| 06:02.53 | JoshTriplett | verny: Also, please post the output of cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:03.21 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: Ah. |
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| 06:03.27 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: If you want, you can. You could then just tranfer your home directory, and your package list. |
| 06:03.36 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: (dpkg --get-selections) |
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| 06:04.32 | verny | JoshTriplett, for the etc it told me permission denied |
| 06:04.39 | batawata | hi |
| 06:04.40 | JoshTriplett | verny: That's very strange. |
| 06:04.50 | JoshTriplett | verny: "ls -l /etc/debian_version" |
| 06:04.50 | verny | ill paste exact |
| 06:05.28 | Phated | Er... Why not just do it as root? You can't access much in /etc without being root anyway... |
| 06:05.28 | batawata | I'm trying to compile madwifi, as described in http://www.proulx.com/~bob/nc4000/, in a fresh debian install |
| 06:05.43 | JoshTriplett | Phated: You should certainly be able to access /etc/debian_version. |
| 06:05.48 | JoshTriplett | Phated: If you can't, something is strange. |
| 06:06.06 | batawata | but something is missing to compile, anyone know what common packages need to be installed to compile this? |
| 06:06.06 | Phated | Hm, you're right. |
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| 06:06.29 | alexscott | plop |
| 06:06.34 | JoshTriplett | Phated: I'm imagining the results of a global chmod 0660, or something strange like that. |
| 06:06.37 | Phated | batawata: No error message...? |
| 06:06.46 | verny | JoshTriplett, are thos i's L's or 1's |
| 06:06.49 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Ugh, I hate global chmods. Makes hell. |
| 06:06.52 | batawata | I have to type :-). wait a moment |
| 06:06.54 | JoshTriplett | verny: ell. |
| 06:06.58 | verny | ok |
| 06:06.59 | JoshTriplett | verny: Not one. |
| 06:07.12 | JoshTriplett | verny: Also, a thought: try "df -h" |
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| 06:08.59 | nvz | meh, I gotta stop eating for the day.. felt hungry all day, more I eat the hungrier I get. thought I wanted something sweet, now I am just going to be sick =P |
| 06:09.41 | batawata | first it creates a dir "symbols", then "for i in ./ath_hal ath_rate/onoe ./net80211 ./ath; do (cd $i; make) || exit 1; done", then enters directory ath_hal, "make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal MODVERDIR=/usr/src/madwifi/ath_hal/../symbols modules" |
| 06:10.04 | Phated | nvz: That's like, almost a really good rap. |
| 06:10.14 | batawata | then the error is "/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/build: no such file or directory" |
| 06:10.24 | bbhill | Heres my rap: If you wanna battle i'll bomb yer gimicks, my raps i soup em up like honda civics |
| 06:10.57 | nvz | Phated: heh, I am not trying to rap |
| 06:11.04 | Phated | nvz: :) |
| 06:11.18 | batawata | hmmm, what's in /lib/modules/VERSION/build? |
| 06:12.23 | risky | batawata, the patch to the directory where that kernel was built |
| 06:12.32 | Phated | VERSION sbould be your kernel. |
| 06:12.36 | malex|home | JoshTriplett: Thanks. |
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| 06:13.00 | JoshTriplett | malex|home: No problem. |
| 06:13.08 | batawata | the VERSION part I know, I just didn't want to type again the version :-). but what if I got the kernel from installation and did not build it? |
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| 06:13.58 | risky | batawata, it points to where the packager built it |
| 06:14.52 | batawata | this is a fresh sarge install, do you know where should it be? |
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| 06:16.15 | risky | ls -l /lib/modules/VERSION/ will tell you |
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| 06:18.03 | nvz | its $(uname -r), ffs not VERSION |
| 06:18.46 | batawata | source is a broken symlink to /home/joshk/build/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-686 |
| 06:19.29 | risky | Well, yeah, but he said VERSION, so I said VERSION :-P |
| 06:19.31 | batawata | nvz VERSION is just for avoiding too much typing, though I'm too much typing with that now :-) |
| 06:20.08 | nvz | batawata: yes and you got other people following your stupidity. good example of why not to do such things in here |
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| 06:21.07 | batawata | FFS would be the word? |
| 06:21.29 | risky | Anyway, I've always asked myself why they don't use the build directories where the debian sources are uncompressed, would be better |
| 06:21.29 | nvz | either $(uname -r) or `uname -r` or something like 2.6.8 or whatever would be correct and not any harder |
| 06:21.40 | batawata | so, how do I get packager's build directory? or do I have to build my kernel package? |
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| 06:22.43 | Phated | Install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)? It's usually needed for things like this. |
| 06:23.11 | shingouz | how do i figure out what /dev/ttyS my usb-RS232 adapter is? |
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| 06:24.24 | JoshTriplett | shingouz: Hmmm. ls -l /dev/*USB* ; I think it's something like "/dev/ttyUSB0" |
| 06:24.30 | betoreyez | hi... |
| 06:24.47 | shingouz | could it really be that simple... hmmm |
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| 06:25.10 | squiggly | just wondering if any one has ever run badblocks, so i can know how far through this i am? |
| 06:25.24 | JoshTriplett | squiggly: You ran it through fsck, right? |
| 06:25.32 | JoshTriplett | squiggly: It takes a very long time. Hours. |
| 06:25.40 | squiggly | JoshTriplett, no directly, |
| 06:25.48 | JoshTriplett | squiggly: Hmmm, OK. |
| 06:25.51 | squiggly | if the disk has bad blocks its going back |
| 06:25.55 | JoshTriplett | squiggly: Ah. :) |
| 06:26.02 | JoshTriplett | squiggly: Well, how big is the drive? |
| 06:26.05 | squiggly | 1 month old, |
| 06:26.16 | squiggly | JoshTriplett, 200 gig :( |
| 06:26.24 | risky | Damn |
| 06:26.30 | JoshTriplett | squiggly: Take a nap. :) |
| 06:26.30 | risky | That's gonna take long |
| 06:26.31 | squiggly | im reading and comparing after Testing with pattern |
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| 06:26.57 | scarynetworkguy | squiggly: WTF are you running badblocks on a brandnew drive? |
| 06:27.02 | risky | I remember waiting something like a whole day for a 20 gig hd |
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| 06:27.30 | dreammer_ | what email is used for jabber? does it have to be hotmail? |
| 06:27.48 | batawata | madwifi compiled! thanks! |
| 06:27.54 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: It appears that socat transmits what is entered to the actual device (like every other method I've found), not to the bash process running on the device. |
| 06:28.20 | squiggly | scarynetworkguy, its a month old, and i had some errors |
| 06:28.34 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: What exactly do you want to do? |
| 06:28.53 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: Do you just want a two-way connection to a shell? |
| 06:29.28 | squiggly | scarynetworkguy, i like my data |
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| 06:29.49 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: I'm trying to find a simple way to enter a command from /dev/pt/2 to /dev/vc/1 for example without having to set up something complicated (if possible). |
| 06:30.16 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: So you want to interact with a shell that's already running? |
| 06:30.29 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: Yes... |
| 06:30.39 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: (and without having done anything special with that shell, like run it under screen) |
| 06:30.50 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: Right |
| 06:31.20 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: Let me try something. |
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| 06:31.37 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: OK... |
| 06:31.40 | fudje | Hey. |
| 06:31.53 | squiggly | hmm this is going to take days,! |
| 06:35.24 | fudje | Anyone know why libgcc_s might be required during compilation of a module? |
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| 06:37.25 | mlewis00 | fudje: You might want to ask again after the netsplit is over :) |
| 06:37.25 | fudje | mlewis00: yeah. |
| 06:37.25 | bob2 | heh |
| 06:37.25 | mlewis00 | :) |
| 06:37.25 | bob2 | gah |
| 06:37.25 | bob2 | websites without webmaster@ should die |
| 06:37.25 | bob2 | a horrible horrible death |
| 06:37.25 | fudje | I am confused. How can /usr/bin/ld possibly not find -lgcc_s? |
| 06:37.26 | fudje | bob2: Well that takes out about 99% of the net |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | fudje: the bad 99% |
| 06:37.26 | mlewis00 | bob2: I sent a similar email to geek.com and it bounced (twice) :#$@( |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | mlewis00: yeah, it's two websites I've complained to because I couldn't give them money this week |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | both bounced |
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| 06:37.26 | mlewis00 | Hmmm... |
| 06:37.26 | mlewis00 | That's extremely strange :) |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | fudje: someone playing games with -L to gcc? |
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| 06:37.26 | fudje | bob2: I hope not. It's in the kernel scripts.... |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | oh, heh |
| 06:37.26 | fudje | I'm trying to compile madwifi on a powerbook.... |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | the kernel bulids with -ffreestanding these days, so it shouldn't be using libgcc at all |
| 06:37.26 | mlewis00 | If they are not even concerned about their own source of income... |
| 06:37.27 | squiggly | ive just learnt run badblocks with a huge number of blocks to check at once, much quicker! |
| 06:37.32 | bob2 | mwilson: one hotel wants you to download and run some windows 'executable ebook' before they'll show you pictures of the rooms |
| 06:37.38 | fudje | bob2: That's another thing that concerned me. But this is a module, so I say "Meh. Stupid modules developers don't know what they talkin' bout." |
| 06:37.48 | bob2 | hah, right |
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| 06:38.00 | bob2 | especially one with 'mad' in the name ;) |
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| 06:38.39 | fudje | It took me several minutes to get through the bizarre pcc renamings. |
| 06:38.41 | fudje | ppc* |
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| 06:39.17 | fudje | Of course, it compiled fine on the x86 box. But no, not powerpc. |
| 06:39.52 | fudje | And now it spews up this error during linking for a library that shouldn't be being considered! |
| 06:40.10 | thd | bob2: When I have installed woody or potato did I have to create my own .xsession file? Didn't the Debian configuration system create something for me so that I had a working x after I fixed a few errors that I had just after installation? |
| 06:40.22 | bob2 | thd: no, it never made one |
| 06:40.39 | bob2 | thd: if there isn't one, startx will run /usr/bin/x-window-manager or so |
| 06:40.43 | jager | so i upgraded to 2.6.10-1-686 via apt on sid, and aftwerwards it hung on boot with a message: ACPI: Setting ELCR to 0200 (from 2e20) |
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| 06:40.58 | jager | any clue what that means? |
| 06:41.00 | bob2 | does disabling acpi help? |
| 06:41.04 | jager | no |
| 06:41.08 | jager | sure doesn't |
| 06:41.13 | bob2 | apic? |
| 06:41.14 | bob2 | lapic? |
| 06:41.15 | jager | in fact it has been disabled all along |
| 06:41.31 | ryphle | can i paste a 1 line error msg? |
| 06:41.34 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:41.46 | ryphle | usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71 |
| 06:42.00 | jager | what's lapic, bob2? |
| 06:42.06 | bob2 | local apic |
| 06:42.09 | JoshTriplett | jager: Local APIC. |
| 06:42.12 | bob2 | another thing that's sometimes broken |
| 06:42.25 | bob2 | try booting with acpi=off noapic nolapic |
| 06:42.25 | ryphle | its telling me that in my kernel when before it was working fine now its not working, any ideas |
| 06:42.40 | bob2 | ryphle: does unplugging and replugging help? |
| 06:42.52 | shingouz | am i missing something? my gprs works nicely if i plug the serial cable into the rs232 port on the computer but when i plug it into the usb-serial adapter (that seems to be /dev/ttyUSB0) the modem does not respond at all :( |
| 06:43.06 | jager | sure, i'll give that a shot and report back |
| 06:43.09 | bob2 | does your usb serial adaptor work at all? |
| 06:43.25 | bob2 | like have you tried it with a null modem cable against another machine? |
| 06:43.36 | shingouz | bob2: im not sure, i just bought it and i dont have anything else to test it with ;) |
| 06:43.41 | fudje | Hmm. How to I make the kernel compilatgion process verbose again? |
| 06:43.46 | fudje | -g |
| 06:43.53 | JoshTriplett | fudje: make V=1 |
| 06:43.57 | JoshTriplett | I think. |
| 06:44.00 | bob2 | yeah |
| 06:44.16 | fudje | merci beaucoup |
| 06:44.42 | thd | bob2: I have no xterm to run the command from. I cannot seem to get anything useful in x. I have a grey root window and a pointer, no other functinality in x. |
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| 06:45.10 | bob2 | thd: ok |
| 06:45.26 | bob2 | do you have any window managers installed? |
| 06:45.32 | bob2 | can you run them from a terminal? |
| 06:45.34 | bob2 | did X crash? |
| 06:46.15 | ryphle | how can i see what things are connected to my usb ports |
| 06:46.26 | bob2 | lsusb. |
| 06:47.26 | thd | bob2: I have evilwm and fvwm installed. Neither will load. X does not crash, I kill it with alt-ctrl-bksp. |
| 06:47.44 | bob2 | thd: and you can run them normally from a TV? |
| 06:47.46 | bob2 | er, VT |
| 06:48.05 | thd | bob2: VT? |
| 06:48.15 | bob2 | virtual terminal |
| 06:48.22 | bob2 | the sort of thing you ran startx from |
| 06:48.26 | Phated | How about running something like startx /usr/bin/fvwm? Does that start up fvwm? |
| 06:48.37 | fudje | Does twm work? |
| 06:48.43 | thd | I will try. |
| 06:48.48 | ryphle | bob2, ty mate |
| 06:48.51 | JoshTriplett | Who was it that asked about ptys? |
| 06:48.54 | JoshTriplett | And controling a shell? |
| 06:48.58 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: Was that you? |
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| 06:49.18 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: Yes... |
| 06:49.21 | JoshTriplett | mlewis00: Try "ttysnoop". |
| 06:49.44 | mlewis00 | JoshTriplett: Thanks, I'll check that out :) |
| 06:52.14 | fudje | Here's the amazing thing. This appears to be happening on a gcc call with the -c switch. |
| 06:53.08 | deadcat | ttysnoop blows. only works with telnet |
| 06:53.18 | bob2 | haha, wow |
| 06:55.12 | fudje | Okay, I give up. Time to go play with my coloured pencils. |
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| 06:58.13 | thd | Phated: startx fvwm gets a usage error with command line options for xterm. That is a major improvement. At least, I can start x with an xterm now with startx xterm. I cannot seem to run a window manager though. |
| 06:58.44 | Phated | thd: Well, start it with the xterm and then type fvwm & in the xterm, that might get your windowmanager started. |
| 06:58.46 | deadcat | thd: startx /usr/bin/fvwm ? |
| 06:58.55 | Phated | deadcat: He just did that. |
| 06:58.58 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:59.16 | Phated | thd: Wait, did you type startx fvwm or startx /usr/bin/fvwm? |
| 06:59.19 | scarynetworkguy | thd: You could of course always just install a dm and choose from there. |
| 06:59.48 | thd | Phated: Is there a useful difference? |
| 07:00.00 | Phated | thd: Probably. Try the latter, please. |
| 07:00.42 | thd | scarynetworkguy: I only want a selctive gui |
| 07:01.20 | deadcat | thd: xdm is pretty small. |
| 07:01.39 | Phated | But xdm doesn't allow you to choose WMs, no? |
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| 07:01.50 | Phated | You can always use wdm. |
| 07:02.02 | scarynetworkguy | No it doesn't. |
| 07:02.06 | deadcat | Phated: dont think so, thats why i think xdm blows (= |
| 07:02.19 | thd | startx /usr/bin/fvwm works. Why is that different from startx fvwm? |
| 07:02.58 | Phated | thd: :) Enjoy. man startx might explain why, but I've never bothered to find out since I used /usr/bin/whatever from the start. |
| 07:03.22 | Phated | deadcat: Bah, startx /usr/bin/ foreva. :) |
| 07:03.49 | deadcat | thd: if you have "exec fvwm" in your .xsession file you dont need the full path. |
| 07:04.01 | thd | Is there a general principal about when a full path name is necessary in the world? |
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| 07:04.20 | Phated | Bah, just alias startx to startx /usr/bin/fvwm and you don't need an .xsession. :) |
| 07:04.20 | deadcat | thd: if it doesnt work. use full path. (= |
| 07:04.21 | thd | deadcat exec fvwm was there |
| 07:04.44 | deadcat | thd: if its there. then just startx would do the trick. |
| 07:04.45 | Manoj` | umm, I use xdm all the time -- indeed, been using it since '87 |
| 07:04.52 | Manoj` | what's the problem with it? |
| 07:04.56 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 07:05.05 | deadcat | Manoj`: cant select diff manager... (= |
| 07:05.05 | Phated | It doesn't allow you to choose what wm to start. |
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| 07:05.19 | Phated | I mean, it's your choice. It starts X when you boot up. It's good enough. |
| 07:05.21 | deadcat | Manoj`== oldie (= |
| 07:05.40 | Manoj` | deadcat: xdm runs ~/.xsession if it exists |
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| 07:06.12 | Manoj` | deadcat: I have a fvwm invocation in ~/.xsession (after running .bash_vars and .bash_aliases, etc) |
| 07:06.16 | deadcat | Manoj`: oh.. well, his .xsession might be fucked. |
| 07:06.24 | Phated | Always likely. |
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| 07:06.34 | thd | Manoj: Good enough is better than nothing. But I hope there is always something better than good enough when you need/desire it. |
| 07:06.37 | Phated | thd: You probably want to use exec fvwm as the last line in you .xsession. |
| 07:06.47 | Manoj` | you can modify what xdm starts by looking into /etc/X11/xdm/* files |
| 07:06.48 | deadcat | Manoj`: same here. damn. .bash_vars, i have .bash_variables (=.. too long hehe |
| 07:07.00 | jager | so booting with ACPI=off didn't seem to help |
| 07:07.23 | Manoj` | thd: sure. that is why I do not rant against kde/gnome. stuff like that is good enough for most people |
| 07:07.30 | jager | but! when i reached for the reset button to restart when it hung, i missed and hit the power button instead |
| 07:07.31 | Gumby` | if I take a .config from 2.6.8.1-686 kernel-source and use it to create a custom 2.6.9.1 kernel using make xconfig etc, then the modules included in the 2.6.8.x kernel will be created in the new kernel correct? |
| 07:07.34 | deadcat | anyone planning to mess with the mac mini? as a file server maybe? |
| 07:07.42 | jager | at which point it went past that message and booted normally |
| 07:07.56 | jager | i have no idea why |
| 07:08.12 | jager | repeatable behaviour though |
| 07:08.17 | Manoj` | thd: for real quality X experiences, stuff like fvwm or the lisp one are unbeatable |
| 07:08.27 | deadcat | Gumby`: pretty much. but initrd is gonna fuck you up. unless you fix that part. |
| 07:08.31 | Phated | fvwm is pretty cool. |
| 07:08.42 | Gumby` | deadcat: ?? how so? you mean create a new one? |
| 07:08.49 | Manoj` | Gumby`: well, kernel-source .configs are huge, and they kinda need initrd |
| 07:08.57 | Phated | No, they don't... |
| 07:09.24 | Manoj` | Gumby`: but yes, you can create an kernel image just like the distributed images like that |
| 07:09.24 | Gumby` | deadcat: I am just asking because I am unsure as to where a module is located in the .config and I compiled a kernel but missed the module |
| 07:09.28 | deadcat | Gumby`: stock debian kernels dont build initrd into the kernel i guess. you ahve to run some command afterword or something. i dont know. |
| 07:09.38 | Gumby` | deadcat: yes, mkinitrd |
| 07:09.43 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:09.45 | Manoj` | Gumby`: of course, the official 2.6.9+ kernels now compile in selinux ;-) |
| 07:09.45 | sussudio | man.. you can get a 60 euro dvd player that plays divx xvid mpeg mpeg2... screw mplayer |
| 07:09.50 | Phated | If you use kernel-source, you don't -need- an initrd anyway. |
| 07:10.19 | deadcat | i am still on 2.6.7 (= |
| 07:10.40 | Manoj` | deadcat: uh? stock debian kernels have always used initrd -- and if you do not create an initrd with that config, you may find your file system missing ;-) |
| 07:10.58 | Gumby` | I tried compiling a kernel and having philips webcam support. I checked both entries I can find in qconf but the module didnt get built. my 2.6.8.1 .config seems to have the same setup and it DOES have the module |
| 07:10.59 | Manoj` | sawfish!! that is the other non fvwm wm that is interesting |
| 07:11.02 | deadcat | Manoj`: ya. thats what i am saying. system cant boot. hehe |
| 07:11.04 | thd | Phated: Window manager was at the end of .xsession. I had most of the code form the template Xsesion at the beginning. Maybe an exit that I did not catch was hidden there. I assumed it was useful without trying to read it carefully. |
| 07:11.08 | Phated | Sawfish is OK. |
| 07:11.23 | deadcat | Manoj`: openbox3 is pretty fine. |
| 07:11.28 | Phated | thd: Again, you can always just use the command you used without a .xsession or .xinit. |
| 07:11.33 | Phated | Openbox is cool. |
| 07:11.43 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox kicks ass. |
| 07:11.54 | Manoj` | deadcat: I like configurability -- and behaviour precisely as I want it. |
| 07:12.11 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:12.11 | Gumby` | I am curious... how hard would it be to use a kernel from another distro? |
| 07:12.24 | Gumby` | I'd like to try it just for fun |
| 07:12.24 | deadcat | Gumby`: it should be ok. |
| 07:12.24 | Gumby` | :) |
| 07:12.45 | scarynetworkguy | Gumby`: If you have to ask you really want to either use a image or build one with kp. |
| 07:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | Gumby`: And no we won't help you do it. |
| 07:13.03 | Gumby` | scarynetworkguy: I assumed that much. hehe |
| 07:13.03 | deadcat | goddamn. school starts on monday. )=... |
| 07:13.17 | Phated | deadcat: At this point of time, I need to say that my school starts in May. |
| 07:13.29 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:13.48 | deadcat | i got to take english... its gonna be hard. )= |
| 07:13.57 | Phated | Bah, English is easy. |
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| 07:14.10 | Gumby` | I cant figure out why one kernel creates the pwx module and another kernel doesnt and I believe I have the exact same options for both when building the kernel |
| 07:14.12 | deadcat | Phated: my english writing is really bad. |
| 07:14.12 | Phated | Uni: *shrugs* :) |
| 07:14.17 | Phated | deadcat: Meh. |
| 07:14.33 | Uni | hehe, you can't share my hiding spot, you make me feel old :P |
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| 07:18.45 | aurax | hello |
| 07:19.18 | deadcat | what up |
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| 07:19.23 | aurax | good |
| 07:19.23 | aurax | sup |
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| 07:19.38 | deadcat | what you want bitch?!!! |
| 07:19.43 | aurax | lol |
| 07:19.45 | aurax | yew ok ? |
| 07:19.52 | pipeline | no hickory |
| 07:19.53 | scarynetworkguy | !tell aurax about enter |
| 07:20.14 | aurax | how can i install debian on installed win box |
| 07:20.23 | aurax | anyway to install 3rd party tool to control boot ? |
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| 07:20.46 | deadcat | aurax: nope. debian cant do that with win box. )= |
| 07:20.49 | pipeline | aurax: Install GNU grub -- it can boot windows easily. |
| 07:21.03 | aurax | hmm |
| 07:21.04 | mlewis00 | aurax: Carefully :) |
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| 07:21.08 | aurax | lol |
| 07:21.16 | aurax | well i want to test some audio apps on debian |
| 07:21.29 | pipeline | !lol |
| 07:21.29 | dpkg | [lol] Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 07:21.31 | aurax | see the performance |
| 07:21.50 | pipeline | You'll probably want a 2.4 series kernel, then. |
| 07:21.58 | pipeline | And setting up low-latency audio isn't exactly easy, yet. |
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| 07:22.08 | pipeline | The key words here are jackd and ladspa |
| 07:22.13 | aurax | i heard some good toosl for linux based |
| 07:22.15 | aurax | tools* |
| 07:22.19 | aurax | replacing cubase |
| 07:22.27 | pipeline | There are |
| 07:22.29 | pipeline | But just like in windows |
| 07:22.36 | pipeline | you need low latency audio to take full advantage |
| 07:23.03 | aurax | not fully true |
| 07:23.04 | aurax | kernel issues |
| 07:23.10 | aurax | those are the main probs |
| 07:23.12 | aurax | and stability |
| 07:23.19 | aurax | when u using soft based tools it is an issue |
| 07:23.28 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 07:23.28 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:23.35 | aurax | gees |
| 07:23.48 | aurax | can u guys chat here instead of fucking around with bots |
| 07:23.55 | aurax | 1337 |
| 07:24.08 | Gumby` | hrmm..... |
| 07:24.51 | scarynetworkguy | aurax: Just as soon as you stop acting like a fucktard. Yes yes we can. |
| 07:25.00 | aurax | wooo |
| 07:25.07 | aurax | act like a fucktard? |
| 07:25.11 | aurax | watch urself dude |
| 07:25.12 | deadcat | aurax: we aint gonna help you!!!! (= |
| 07:25.19 | aurax | oh noes!11 |
| 07:25.19 | bob2 | come on people |
| 07:25.20 | aurax | no shit |
| 07:25.25 | deadcat | aurax: we just gonna pretend we do |
| 07:25.25 | aurax | wtf is wrong with you |
| 07:25.32 | bob2 | enough |
| 07:25.37 | deadcat | (= |
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| 07:25.57 | bob2 | aurax: try to use complete sentences on single lines, its a lot less annoying to read |
| 07:25.58 | Gumby` | when doing a make xconfig, what exactly gets read? |
| 07:26.02 | karsten | aurax: Speak plain english. Chatspeak's strongly deprecated. |
| 07:26.03 | Gumby` | initially |
| 07:26.07 | bob2 | aurax: what was your specific question? |
| 07:26.10 | aurax | nvm |
| 07:26.16 | karsten | aurax: ...and do some basic research. GIYF: dual boot install. |
| 07:26.18 | bob2 | Gumby`: .comfing |
| 07:26.30 | aurax | u guys are way way far from helping people out |
| 07:26.39 | aurax | or chatting like human being |
| 07:27.10 | Gumby` | bob2: ok, thats what I thought. I have a .config from another kernel that I have placed in the new kernel-source dir. I do make xconfig and check to see if the module I need is still listed and it is nowhere to be found. |
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| 07:27.21 | bob2 | aurax: please just ask questions in English and there won't be a problem. |
| 07:27.33 | bob2 | Gumby`: is it from the same kernel version? |
| 07:27.34 | Gumby` | bob2: I even tried just opening the config from the old kernels source dir and still that module is nowhere to be found |
| 07:27.40 | Gumby` | bob2: no |
| 07:27.48 | bob2 | Gumby`: if it's 2.4 -> 2.6, start over |
| 07:27.51 | Gumby` | major version yes |
| 07:27.54 | Gumby` | minor version no |
| 07:28.01 | Gumby` | 2.6.8.1 ->2.6.9.1 |
| 07:28.16 | bob2 | there is no 2.6.9.1 |
| 07:28.28 | bob2 | maybe the module changed names |
| 07:28.29 | Gumby` | 2.6.9-1 |
| 07:28.32 | bob2 | try 'make oldconfig' first |
| 07:29.00 | Gumby` | bob2: ok, I do that in the new kernel-source dir? |
| 07:29.00 | karsten | deadcat: do at least check out where someone's coming from before you tear into 'em. That was an .il address. |
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| 07:29.07 | bob2 | Gumby`: yes |
| 07:29.18 | Gumby` | bob2: and that grabs the current module list (current = what I am booted into) |
| 07:29.28 | bob2 | no |
| 07:29.29 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Being from .il has nothing to do with 1337 speak. :) |
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| 07:29.52 | bob2 | it does with not being able to speak english properly |
| 07:29.53 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Truth. But I tend to give a bit of tolerance for someone whose grasp of my language is better than mine of theirs. |
| 07:30.08 | jager | hehe good call |
| 07:30.12 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Sounded like an immature brat though, truth to tell. |
| 07:30.16 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: *shrug* |
| 07:30.21 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Indeed. |
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| 07:33.32 | Phated | It wasn't grammar he was lacking, was he. |
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| 07:35.29 | Gumby` | bob2: the module I need is still not listed. the module is pwc and pwcx. its in the 2.6.8-1 .config at device drivers->usb->usb philips cameras. simply doesnt exist in 2.6.9-1 :( |
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| 07:35.39 | bob2 | er |
| 07:35.42 | bob2 | weren't they removed? |
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| 07:36.24 | peterS | I can't keep track of when pwc / pwcx were removed, patched back in, and/or reinserted upstream |
| 07:36.27 | Xsquared | how can i check whether or not my sound card is supported in debian without the use of opensound? |
| 07:36.33 | indigirl1 | how do i read the boot messages? |
| 07:36.37 | peterS | Xsquared: what's the sound card? |
| 07:36.46 | Xsquared | peterS: ALS4000 |
| 07:36.49 | Gumby` | bob2: apparantly the pwcx was remover at the maintainers request... but I see a pwc.h in the kernel-source |
| 07:36.50 | bob2 | indigirl1: /var/local/dmesg |
| 07:37.02 | peterS | indigirl1: you can type 'dmesg' for the kernel messages. the userspace messages after the root filesystem is mounted - those are not logged anywhere that I know of |
| 07:37.14 | pipeline | Xsquared: You should be fine. You'll need ALSA, though. |
| 07:37.29 | Xsquared | pipeline: ALSA? |
| 07:38.16 | peterS | Xsquared: the ALSA driver 'snd-als4000' should support it |
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| 07:38.21 | pipeline | Xsquared: Yeah, it's a linux-specific API for sound. It has an OSS-compatibility mode, though, so old apps work fine. Apps that support alsa natively, though, get tons of benefits from this :) |
| 07:38.56 | peterS | Xsquared: I don't know what kernel versions this comes in. it's in 2.6.8, at least |
| 07:39.47 | Gumby` | brb |
| 07:39.47 | karsten | peterS: If you get in the habit of _not_ logging in to VC1, <shift><page-up> may turn up some boot messages. |
| 07:40.05 | Xsquared | pipeline: i saw on opensound.com that i had to pay for a license to run it or something on linux |
| 07:40.18 | peterS | karsten: not in my experience. once you've done a VT switch, and you switch back, your scroll buffer is lost |
| 07:40.27 | karsten | peterS: Hrm. |
| 07:40.38 | peterS | Xsquared: no need for opensound when the ALSA driver works |
| 07:41.06 | Xsquared | peterS: thanks mate |
| 07:41.32 | peterS | Xsquared: for ALSA, you will need to either be running a 2.6 kernel, or install the alsa-modules-$(uname -r) package, if you're running a 2.4 kernel |
| 07:41.52 | pipeline | Xsquared: The people who make open sound can eat a bag of dicks. |
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| 07:42.20 | peterS | Xsquared: but then, assuming you've got those modules (either way), you can run 'modconf' to load two modules: "snd-als4000" and "snd-pcm-oss" |
| 07:42.28 | pipeline | Xsquared: The only disadvantage of ALSA relative to OSS is that ALSA is linux-specific. |
| 07:43.00 | peterS | pipeline: not quite true. another disadvantage is that in a few cases, ALSA drivers have bugs or limitations relative to the corresponding OSS driver for some hardware |
| 07:43.03 | pipeline | Xsquared: But you know what? If you bought a driver from the OSS people, you would have to buy it separately for each OS anyway. And ALSA, on linux, has a lot more features than OSS. |
| 07:43.17 | peterS | pipeline: for example, I am told the ALSA driver for emu10k1 is inferior to the OSS one |
| 07:43.40 | Spark | the oss one supports more bizarre features |
| 07:43.50 | Spark | but for most purposes the alsa one suffices |
| 07:43.54 | pipeline | the ALSA one already supports an awful lot of bizarre features |
| 07:43.59 | peterS | Spark: like recording? I'm told by someone I trust that the alsa driver garbles recording |
| 07:44.11 | Spark | it doesnt for me but i guess it varies between sblive card |
| 07:44.37 | scarynetworkguy | Oh joy. |
| 07:44.43 | peterS | Spark: evidently so. my friend was getting crappy recording quality, then switched from snd-emu10k1 back to emu10k1 and it was all better |
| 07:45.05 | Phated | As though ONE ricer's distro wasn't enough... |
| 07:45.14 | pipeline | peterS: To make recording to work well on emu10k1, you have to futz with the various volume controls. The SBL is a really, really, really complicated card. |
| 07:45.27 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. This is just what we needed. |
| 07:45.31 | peterS | Phated: overclockix should really be called overclix |
| 07:45.37 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:45.38 | Spark | peterS: the sblive is crap for recording anyway though (i am led to believe) |
| 07:45.42 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 07:46.17 | peterS | Spark: as may be. I'm not talking professional quality sound here - just recording your own voice. even *that* was crap in the one driver (I heard a sample, it was true) |
| 07:46.43 | Spark | mm |
| 07:46.44 | peterS | like, all full of static |
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| 07:46.53 | Spark | it probably wasnt set up right |
| 07:47.00 | Spark | the mixer is a lot confusing |
| 07:47.17 | Manoj` | http://www.golden-gryphon.com/talks/fvwm/ |
| 07:47.19 | Spark | and there is weird stuff on that card to get right, with its dsp chip and everything |
| 07:48.17 | karsten | Manoj`: Welcome to the third millennium |
| 07:48.39 | Manoj` | karsten: eh? |
| 07:48.53 | karsten | Manoj`: 404: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/talks/fvwm/talk.html |
| 07:48.58 | karsten | Manoj`: fvwm ;-) |
| 07:49.38 | Manoj` | ah. permissions |
| 07:49.51 | Manoj` | fixed now. |
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| 07:50.03 | karsten | Gotit |
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| 07:50.53 | karsten | Manoj`: Do you know if it's possible to seperately assign colors to title & frame in fvwm? |
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| 07:51.20 | karsten | Manoj`: ...in mwm/CDE/VUE, I used to have colored title, deemphasized frames, kinda liked it. |
| 07:51.32 | Manoj` | karsten: I am not sure, though I have never tried that. It may not be. |
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| 07:51.59 | karsten | Manoj`: Last I tried was *years* back. Switched to WMaker after a few years w/ fvwm m'self. |
| 07:52.10 | Manoj` | karsten: but one can have shadow, etc, so I am sure one can replicate the effect |
| 07:52.15 | Manoj` | with some effort |
| 07:52.20 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Openbox!! |
| 07:52.22 | karsten | Famous last words. |
| 07:52.36 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: u think ur so l33t |
| 07:52.45 | Manoj` | I like being able to hack my wm in Perl, on the fly, no less |
| 07:53.00 | scarynetworkguy | kenboo: Heh. Yes yes I do. |
| 07:53.04 | karsten | Manoj`: WMaker allows same w/ Lisp. |
| 07:53.07 | Manoj` | so pop up a command window, write a perl function, assign it to events, and off you go |
| 07:53.08 | kenboo | wot? |
| 07:53.13 | kenboo | heh |
| 07:53.22 | Manoj` | does wmaker have gestures? |
| 07:53.41 | Manoj` | I can scribble an M on he root window to bring up mozilla |
| 07:54.07 | Manoj` | karsten: personally, I prefer perl to lisp ... |
| 07:54.20 | Manoj` | or else sawfish would have been a possibility |
| 07:54.39 | karsten | Manoj`: Not sure. 0.91's just leaked down into testing, and has some new stuff.... |
| 07:55.23 | karsten | Manoj`: ...it's got hotkeys. So: <alt><shift>-T => terminal. <alt><shift>-M => mutt, <alt><shift>-W => Galeon. |
| 07:55.29 | karsten | Manoj`: ...that's my own bindings, mind. |
| 07:55.47 | karsten | Manoj`: ...and I never have enough root window visible to do gestures. |
| 07:55.51 | Manoj` | karsten: we gottem hotkeys too |
| 07:56.10 | Manoj` | I can even move my windows around with hot cursor keys |
| 07:56.23 | Manoj` | and move the cursor over without touching my mouse |
| 07:56.52 | karsten | Manoj`: No gestures in changelogs. Window move, gotchya. |
| 07:56.56 | pipeline | Windowmaker is extensible via lisp? |
| 07:57.07 | karsten | I think the mouse-move-w/ keypad is X, not fvwm per se. |
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| 07:57.11 | Manoj` | karsten: start the gesture in root, or title, ot what have you -- you can continue it over other windows |
| 07:57.21 | pipeline | karsten: VUE? Greybeard alarms going off. |
| 07:57.21 | karsten | Manoj`: OK. |
| 07:57.29 | karsten | pipeline: The syntax is Lispy. |
| 07:57.51 | karsten | pipeline: Turn off your spycams. And I'm cleanshaven. |
| 07:57.59 | karsten | pipeline: greystubble's as far as you'll catch me. |
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| 07:59.06 | peterS | pipeline: hey, what's wrong with VUE? other than being affiliated with HP-UX, and being affiliated with Motif, and being generally bloated? |
| 07:59.16 | Xsquared | just checking - to create a floppy boot disk, i use rawwrite and put boot.img on it (installation boot disk)? |
| 07:59.40 | peterS | Xsquared: that'll work |
| 07:59.47 | Gumby` | I am compiling a new kernel and I am at the stage that is telling me to "zcat /proc/config.gz > .config". I have no /proc/config.gz. Would make oldconfig substitude for this step? |
| 07:59.52 | Xsquared | peterS: k, thanks |
| 07:59.55 | karsten | peterS: It's uglier than FVWM ;-) |
| 08:00.20 | karsten | peterS: ...and I suspect that by modern standards, it's not that bloated. I last touched it ~1997/8. |
| 08:00.30 | pipeline | peterS: With the benefit of 500+ MHz hardware and 1000$ machines, VUE and CDE don't look that bad. |
| 08:00.43 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: And of course HP-UX is from HP which is ran by Carly who is Satan incarnate. |
| 08:00.59 | pipeline | peterS: With hindsight and history, looking back on the hardware of the day, we can say that Motif was probably the #1 factor in the stillbirth of UNIX on the desktop. |
| 08:01.01 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: oh, is she? I hadn't formed an opinion on the Carly Question, I guess |
| 08:01.08 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: VUE dates from *long* before Carley. |
| 08:01.27 | peterS | pipeline: I doubt that. I think the #1 factor is more likely to have been the fact that nothing better than Motif was available |
| 08:01.40 | karsten | peterS: Hrm. Not entirely true. |
| 08:02.09 | pipeline | peterS: Oh bull. Even XView looks speedy compared to Motif. |
| 08:02.11 | karsten | peterS: ...it was more a compromise among several available vendor-associated environments at the time. And NEWS was already dead. |
| 08:02.17 | peterS | pipeline: yes, OpenLook fanboys, I'm talkin' to you. it wasn't better than Motif. |
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| 08:02.23 | karsten | peterS: WTF's XView? |
| 08:02.27 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Yeah. Pretty much. We resell a ton of HP stuff and are stuck with HP-UX and MPE before that. She has pretty much driven that entire division into the ground. |
| 08:02.41 | pipeline | karsten: XView was a hacked up piece of shit that adapted a Sun-proprietary window system to X11. |
| 08:02.45 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Don't confuse me with facts. :) |
| 08:02.56 | peterS | karsten: I forget what xview was, but I think it was the same as OpenLook, which is that butt-ugly widget set from Sun |
| 08:03.00 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: There's not a chance I'd mistake you for a fact. |
| 08:03.03 | pipeline | peterS: It was at least much, much faster. Motif was totally unusable on a system with 16M RAM, from any vendor. |
| 08:03.11 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Heh. |
| 08:03.35 | peterS | pipeline: well, there is that. however, sluggishness is overcome by moore's law. ugliness isn't. yes, I'm still talking about OpenLook |
| 08:03.35 | deadcat | what the f. xine cant play .bin files? |
| 08:03.47 | pipeline | peterS: In the 1993-1995 period, every major UNIX vendor and several minor ones came out with desktop systems that were price-competitive with high-end PC's. And yet UNIX on the desktop was a total failure. |
| 08:04.22 | peterS | deadcat: what's a .bin file? |
| 08:04.25 | karsten | pipeline: ...because there were independent systems and all of them were crowing them over the competition's. In part. |
| 08:04.30 | helix | warez |
| 08:04.33 | karsten | deadcat: 'file foo.bin'. |
| 08:04.34 | toresbe | I just realized something |
| 08:04.37 | deadcat | peterS: dont know. i just download that thing. |
| 08:04.39 | deadcat | karsten: data file |
| 08:04.51 | toresbe | Erwin of UserFriendly is an SGI O2? |
| 08:04.56 | karsten | deadcat: ...and why should xine be able to play random data? |
| 08:05.06 | karsten | toresbe: Current incarnation, yes. |
| 08:05.07 | deadcat | karsten: mplayer plays it |
| 08:05.08 | pipeline | karsten: That didn't hold back vendors, for the most part. Hell, look at Adobe. |
| 08:05.17 | karsten | toresbe: He's been ported to a wide range of hardware. |
| 08:05.23 | toresbe | karsten: I see |
| 08:05.27 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: You are only about 5 years late to that party. |
| 08:05.29 | pipeline | UserFriendly is still going? |
| 08:05.36 | pipeline | Didn't it stop being funny about, oh, say, five years ago? |
| 08:05.40 | karsten | pipeline: Um. Adobe what? |
| 08:05.52 | peterS | deadcat: .bin can mean *anything*. might be a data file from a raw CD rip. in which case, convert it into iso9660 or whatever it came from |
| 08:05.58 | pipeline | karsten: Photoshop, framemaker, etc...? |
| 08:06.02 | toresbe | karsten: I just picked up the backlog and noticed it, since the last time I've actually seen a n o2 |
| 08:06.09 | toresbe | pipeline: It's better than ever |
| 08:06.10 | peterS | deadcat: better yet, rerip your CD as .wav files or whatever |
| 08:06.16 | karsten | pipeline: Yeah, but 1). how much did they sell and 2). that was pretty advanced shit. |
| 08:06.21 | pipeline | toresbe: I don't know that that would be saying much. |
| 08:06.25 | deadcat | peterS: i didnt rip it. i download it from usenet |
| 08:06.36 | karsten | pipeline: I remember work in 1993. 486 DX/88, 8 MB RAM. |
| 08:06.55 | karsten | pipeline: Our department secretary had to do some complex Word / PPT stuff, and rated 16 MB. |
| 08:07.03 | pipeline | karsten: Yeah. Can you imagine running ODT with a motif GUI on those sorts of PC's? |
| 08:07.15 | karsten | pipeline: quality DTP was pretty high end at the time. |
| 08:07.21 | karsten | pipeline: What's ODT? |
| 08:07.33 | karsten | pipeline: SCO? |
| 08:07.35 | pipeline | karsten: SCO's abortion of a desktop distribution. |
| 08:07.50 | karsten | pipeline: Never had the <coff> pleasure. |
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| 08:08.05 | peterS | hehe. it was probably elf-based, I'm thinking (: |
| 08:08.11 | pipeline | karsten: You will note that Adobe ported even to niche UNIX. But not SCO. |
| 08:08.35 | karsten | pipeline: ...but I've had Debian on a 486 DX/4 at 37.47 bogomips. |
| 08:08.37 | peterS | pipeline: talking framemaker, right? they didn't port their "PC apps", did they? |
| 08:08.39 | pipeline | peterS, karsten: Hah, both COFF and ELF were a bit too new-fangled for SCO. I think back then they were still using a bizarre, proprietary format associated with XENIX. |
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| 08:08.52 | pipeline | peterS: "PC apps" ? Photoshop started on UNIX, no? |
| 08:08.52 | karsten | peterS: Not sure what that works out to in MHz. Console access felt like dialup though. |
| 08:08.57 | peterS | COFF. newfangled. that's funny stuff. |
| 08:09.08 | peterS | pipeline: I thought photoshop started on Mac OS |
| 08:09.26 | Spark | ive had debian on a 386 sx 25 |
| 08:09.37 | pipeline | peterS: I know 2 and 3.x were available on IRIX/AIX/Solaris and maybe HP-UX. |
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| 08:09.38 | karsten | pipeline: Dunno if you remember Win3.x, but looking back, I'm impressed with what MSFT managed to wring out of systems of the time, performance-wise. |
| 08:09.42 | Spark | got bored with it though |
| 08:09.51 | Spark | it kept crashing, i think the memory was dead |
| 08:09.53 | karsten | Spark: Yeah, I've done a 386 too.... |
| 08:10.01 | peterS | pipeline: oh, right, Adobe did support IRIX across the board. I didn't know about AIX or Solaris |
| 08:10.02 | karsten | Spark: I kept OOMing ;-) |
| 08:10.09 | Spark | heh |
| 08:10.15 | Spark | its a worthwhile exercise isnt it :) |
| 08:10.19 | pipeline | karsten: I remember windows 3.1. I used to start it in order to play solitaire. Because nothing else would RUN in as little RAM as I could afford. |
| 08:10.24 | karsten | Manoj`: Good call, I was going to bug you about that. |
| 08:10.48 | pipeline | peterS: There were definitely AIX and Solaris ports. Motif made portable software possible. The problem was that it also made it terribly impractical. |
| 08:11.11 | Manoj` | karsten: the first one is a dilly. |
| 08:11.25 | Spark | are there any free thesauruses about? |
| 08:11.29 | Spark | id like a program like console 'dict' |
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| 08:11.36 | peterS | pipeline: I remember when gtk+ was new, it was roundly criticised for *not* using Xt as a base. looking back, I think that made it a lot less crufty than Motif could ever be |
| 08:12.20 | peterS | use of Xt so that you could mix and match widget sets within an app was always a joke anyway |
| 08:12.20 | Spark | mm |
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| 08:12.31 | peterS | I wonder if any apps actually *used* this capability |
| 08:12.47 | karsten | Manoj`: ...now if you *really* want to get sick, take some inspiration from here: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.patrick-pecher.de/csszengarden/css/zen.css |
| 08:13.11 | karsten | Manoj`: ...though personally, I think this one's kinda cool: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.css-praxis.de/cssocean/zenocean.css (scroll down page) |
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| 08:13.46 | pipeline | peterS: I find it especially ironic that GTK+, years too late, runs fine on low-end systems. |
| 08:14.05 | peterS | pipeline: low-end in the current discussion? i.e., 16 MB machines? |
| 08:14.11 | peterS | (or less) |
| 08:14.26 | pipeline | Yes |
| 08:14.50 | pipeline | Sun, SGI, HP, they all did it. The cardinal sin. The system with too little RAM to boot without hitting swap. |
| 08:15.05 | karsten | Manoj`: I stilly like my Linux screenshot: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png |
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| 08:16.05 | karsten | Manoj`: ...though http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png is a bit more representative. |
| 08:16.25 | deego | From bash, what's the "correct" way to get the candidate version string, of a package for, say sid? apt-cache policy pkg and then try to parse it? that seems too kludgy.. ? |
| 08:16.39 | Spark | heh xpde |
| 08:16.55 | karsten | Spark: ;-) |
| 08:17.10 | karsten | Spark: ...and Anna Pr0nikova. |
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| 08:17.16 | Manoj` | deego: tried libapt? |
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| 08:17.34 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: You sir are a master of evil. Need a minon? |
| 08:18.10 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: The pay sucks, the conditions are terrible, and the waiting list is eternal. |
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| 08:18.25 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Damn. :) |
| 08:18.39 | The_Vulture | s/minon/minion/ |
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| 08:18.49 | scarynetworkguy | That is just sick and wrong. |
| 08:19.29 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Well, I *did* decide that maybe my skills would be put to best use searching for "flakes". |
| 08:19.41 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Heh. |
| 08:19.43 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: ...and that actually turned up a score or so hits in LA CL. |
| 08:19.45 | pipeline | I can do sicker and wrong-er than that. |
| 08:19.57 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: HAHHAHA |
| 08:20.10 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: ...unfortuanately, preconditioned by "no" |
| 08:20.17 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: Somehow I doubt it. But if you can I'd love to see it. |
| 08:20.24 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: http://tinyurl.com/6wxob |
| 08:20.30 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/mar/53818500.html |
| 08:20.30 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Too bad. |
| 08:21.49 | error | pipeline how did you do that |
| 08:21.49 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Nice. |
| 08:21.49 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: I dunno. That's just IE running under Wine, right? |
| 08:21.49 | pipeline | error: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html Download the script, run it, choose option 0. |
| 08:21.58 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: Yes. But it's a sick and twisted choice of sites. |
| 08:22.11 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: And I can't remember what happens when you hit "OK." I believe it crashes. |
| 08:22.12 | deadcat | check this dumb ass: http://www.craigslist.org/eby/sys/55731393.html |
| 08:22.26 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline: That it is. Heh. |
| 08:23.08 | pipeline | error: OF course, you'll need the debian wine package installed to use sidenet config. |
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| 08:24.16 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: I am. But I'm desperate for a minion position. |
| 08:24.28 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Ahh. |
| 08:24.51 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: ...I mean, if they expect you to move multi-kilomiles for a stupid code-jockey position, minion gigs are worth travelling for. |
| 08:25.03 | karsten | Anyone know of a CL meta search cross-site? |
| 08:25.06 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Indeed they would be. |
| 08:25.28 | deadcat | karsten: you're more like mid cal right? |
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| 08:25.46 | karsten | deadcat: Well, NoCall is anything north of the Grapevine. |
| 08:25.51 | karsten | deadcat: Napa. |
| 08:25.52 | deadcat | o |
| 08:26.27 | karsten | deadcat: Actually, IME, "NoCal" is defined as "anywhere north of ten miles south of where I am now" |
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| 08:26.49 | deadcat | hehe |
| 08:27.04 | karsten | First result for "craigslist meta search": http://www.myredbook.com/escort-finder.aspx |
| 08:27.43 | karsten | pipeline: What version of MSIE is that? |
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| 08:28.45 | pipeline | karsten: 6, service pack 1 or something. Whatever comes in "ie6setup.exe" from microsoft.com :P |
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| 08:29.13 | karsten | pipeline: Hrm. Win2K? What's current in XP? |
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| 08:29.37 | karsten | pipeline: ...and do you have that running ATM? |
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| 08:30.02 | Bramme | what kernel is included in the sarge of 04/01 ? |
| 08:31.13 | dnb | can you say an application to alert me on all fridays specific time ? |
| 08:31.35 | scarynetworkguy | dnb: Cron. |
| 08:31.45 | karsten | dnb: cron |
| 08:31.47 | dnb | i want a graphical app.. |
| 08:31.48 | dnb | :( |
| 08:32.08 | dnb | i'll easily add dates etc. |
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| 08:32.15 | karsten | dnb: cron DISPLAY=:0 |
| 08:32.25 | Phated | apt-cache search alarm? |
| 08:32.44 | pipeline | karsten: It's easy as shit to set up; it's just debian's packaged wine and an auto-generated configuration. http://tinyurl.com/54p7w |
| 08:33.07 | karsten | pipeline: Cool. |
| 08:33.12 | pipeline | karsten: It's more of a hilarious party trick than actual useful function. Besides, if wine is configured well enough to run IE6, that means you have DCOM98 etc installed correctly and most apps will run. |
| 08:33.15 | karsten | pipeline: I need to do some compatibility testing ;-) |
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| 08:33.38 | karsten | pipeline: Heh. Do you have a local 'Doze install? |
| 08:34.06 | pipeline | karsten: I have a valid windows license, yes, but no, I don't have an installed copy. |
| 08:34.38 | karsten | pipeline: Hrm. Ditto. NT WS 4.0. |
| 08:35.15 | pipeline | karsten: The only reason that a valid windows license matters is that the fine print on the DCOM98 and other system library installers requires it. |
| 08:35.39 | karsten | pipeline: OK. |
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| 08:36.28 | pipeline | karsten: Hell, what it comes down to, pretty much any PC has a windows license for *some* version of windows 95 or greater, right? |
| 08:36.55 | karsten | pipeline: Not my primary desktop. |
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| 08:37.06 | karsten | pipeline: Naked system. Actually shipped with a DOS, not sure which. |
| 08:38.00 | neeko | pipeline: nope. I buy systems with no OS. |
| 08:38.48 | pipeline | neeko: Tough. You'll have to live with the knowledge that you're defrauding microsoft by installing system libraries without a valid license. You filthy infringer, you. |
| 08:39.11 | neeko | pipeline: What system libraries? |
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| 08:40.23 | pipeline | neeko: Pretty much everything available for download on microsoft.com |
| 08:40.36 | pipeline | neeko: The things that make WINE usable. |
| 08:41.12 | neeko | pipeline: I see. I don't believe I use any of these programs or libraries you specified. |
| 08:41.52 | pipeline | neeko: Then why did you see fit to mention it at all? |
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| 08:42.55 | Xsquared | is there any plotting programs for linux.. e.g. like signlab? just off the top of one's head... |
| 08:43.20 | karsten | pipeline: Does the DCOM95.DLL come w/ IE or are you mooching from your Win media? |
| 08:43.32 | karsten | Xsquared: gnuplot. R. Several. |
| 08:43.42 | pipeline | karsten: ie6setup downloads a lot of DLL's and shit. |
| 08:43.46 | karsten | Xsquared: apt-cache search plot |
| 08:43.55 | pipeline | karsten: I don't actually have any working media *shifty eyes* |
| 08:44.00 | pipeline | karsten: Hence my lack of an installed copy. |
| 08:44.06 | karsten | pipeline: Heh. |
| 08:46.17 | karsten | pipeline: Fsck. 25 MB d/l. |
| 08:46.23 | karsten | pipeline: I'm on dialup. |
| 08:46.52 | pipeline | karsten: ie6setup.exe downloads literally 80+ when it runs, too. |
| 08:46.54 | karsten | Xsquared: What sort of plotting are you doing? |
| 08:47.05 | karsten | Xsquared: ...or would you characterize it more as conspiring? |
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| 08:47.11 | karsten | pipeline: F*ck. |
| 08:47.18 | Xsquared | karsten: nahh not graph plotting programs.. im talking about vinyl cutting etc.. |
| 08:47.21 | karsten | pipeline: apt-get updates lately have been enough of a pain. |
| 08:47.31 | karsten | Xsquared: ?? |
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| 08:48.24 | karsten | pipeline: Run the installer under WINE? |
| 08:48.47 | pipeline | karsten: sidenet config -- it's an sh script that handles the fonts + ie6 installation. |
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| 08:49.08 | npx | Xsquared most good vinyl plotters are presented to the machine as PS printers |
| 08:49.17 | pipeline | karsten: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html just choose option 0 |
| 08:49.35 | Xsquared | npx: hrmm, so not much good |
| 08:49.47 | npx | Xsquared PS = postscript = good |
| 08:49.56 | npx | and more-or-less universally compatible |
| 08:50.16 | Xsquared | npx: but for drawing and cutting is it good to use? |
| 08:50.35 | karsten | pipeline: Um. Clarify. |
| 08:51.11 | karsten | pipeline: How's that differ from Debian's WINE? |
| 08:51.12 | npx | What do you mean? For drawing/cutting vinyl you have two options: a plotter or a straight razor |
| 08:51.12 | npx | the choice is pretty clear. |
| 08:51.19 | pipeline | karsten: Install debian's packaged wine. |
| 08:51.38 | Xsquared | npx: i'll stick to the plotter |
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| 08:51.53 | karsten | pipeline: Done. |
| 08:51.54 | pipeline | karsten: Sidenet config is a configuration-generating script. Just run the configuration-generating script, then choose option 0, "unattended installation" -- it'll create a $HOME/c directory, but you can change that easily later. |
| 08:52.09 | Xsquared | npx: nm, i'll just use windoze for cuttin vinyl |
| 08:52.14 | karsten | pipeline: I've already got an environment. |
| 08:52.23 | npx | Xsquared what are you trying to do? use a plotter in linux? |
| 08:52.25 | pipeline | karsten: Better back it up, then, eh? |
| 08:52.31 | Xsquared | npx: yeah |
| 08:52.42 | Xsquared | npx: i'd like to |
| 08:52.51 | npx | It's dead simple if you have a plotter that takes postscript as input |
| 08:52.54 | karsten | pipeline: OK. |
| 08:52.58 | npx | if you don't, you're fucked. |
| 08:53.03 | karsten | pipeline: What's sidenet do that WINE doesn't? |
| 08:53.15 | karsten | pipeline: ... s/wine/std config/ |
| 08:53.24 | Xsquared | npx: im pretty sure it can use postscript as input |
| 08:53.32 | karsten | npx: ...and if you're fucked, you're happy. So no problems. |
| 08:53.40 | npx | You might be able to configure samba to share the plotter from a windows machine, that's about it. |
| 08:53.49 | pipeline | karsten: It just generates a config with sane results and runs the dcom + IE installers for you so that you don't have to know the correct command line arguments to WINE. |
| 08:54.21 | npx | Xsquared http://www.stokely.com/unix.sysadm.resources/printing.html |
| 08:54.22 | karsten | pipeline: ...it's a more complete fake environment? That's my read. |
| 08:54.32 | Xsquared | npx: thnx |
| 08:55.15 | pipeline | karsten: not even that much. It's seriously just a couple of sh scripts. And it outputs a good ~/.wine/config. And it sets the fonts correctly. That's it. Seriously. |
| 08:55.25 | karsten | pipeline: Hrm. I just run 'WINE' myself. |
| 08:56.02 | npx | pipeline I used winesetuptk |
| 08:56.08 | npx | it's reasonably non-sucky |
| 08:56.21 | pipeline | I disagree. |
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| 08:56.29 | pipeline | winesetuptk doesn't know what should be native and what not |
| 08:56.34 | pipeline | it also doesn't install dcom for me :P |
| 08:56.44 | grivell | Whats Windows apps would be worth running? (just curious) |
| 08:57.02 | npx | pipeline I have a native installation, so it worked fine for me |
| 08:57.08 | npx | but I can see what you mean |
| 08:57.44 | pipeline | npx: Native installations aren't as reliable as they used to be :| |
| 08:57.56 | pipeline | grivell: Excel is a killer one. |
| 08:58.12 | npx | pipeline I stopped using wine in favor of vmware |
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| 08:58.29 | npx | doesn't support games, but it's absolutely zero fuss |
| 08:58.34 | pipeline | It's slow |
| 08:58.36 | pipeline | and copy and paste is a pain |
| 08:58.48 | grivell | pipeline: Over OO.o's or Kspread? Imports worked good for a fairly simple Excel doc on my system ;) |
| 08:58.50 | npx | what, wine is fast? =) |
| 08:58.58 | pipeline | Yes, actually. |
| 08:59.01 | npx | ahahaha |
| 08:59.05 | npx | ...yeah |
| 08:59.13 | karsten | grivell: Well, I'm doing some web design and it's somewhat helpful to test on MSIE. |
| 08:59.20 | pipeline | grivell: OO.o's is terrible. KSpread and Gnumeric are beneath contempt, I can't even describe how bad they are. |
| 08:59.24 | grivell | karsten: yeah true. |
| 08:59.29 | karsten | grivell: Other than that, I run SimCity 2000 occasionally, but that's about it. |
| 08:59.31 | pipeline | grivell: Import/export is pretty trivial. |
| 08:59.41 | pipeline | karsten: Heh, there's a native sc3k port. |
| 08:59.49 | npx | Vmware is totally indistinguishable fom native win2k in full-screen mode on my xp2700+/512m allocated |
| 09:00.02 | karsten | pipeline: Yeah, but I've to 2k bought and paid for. |
| 09:00.10 | karsten | npx: You tried Xen yet? |
| 09:00.27 | karsten | npx: Last I tried VMWare was ~2002. A little laggy. |
| 09:00.32 | npx | karsten No, I read the first few paragraphs of the readme and uninstalled it. |
| 09:00.34 | grivell | LinCity is getting some development recently :) |
| 09:00.50 | pipeline | VMware isn't so bad on CPU-intensive stuff |
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| 09:00.59 | pipeline | but the disk and network I/O are *horrible* |
| 09:01.02 | karsten | npx: What scared you? |
| 09:01.03 | kenboo | what's the package name for mod_gzip for apche2 ? |
| 09:01.09 | karsten | npx: ...the "we get to sleep with your grilf" bit? |
| 09:01.28 | karsten | grivell: LinCity *sucks*. And that's from someone who loves sim games. |
| 09:01.33 | npx | karsten I don't remember, but it struck me as software for people who aren't dumb |
| 09:01.35 | npx | and I am |
| 09:01.45 | karsten | !tell kenboo about search. |
| 09:01.52 | karsten | npx: Heh. |
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| 09:02.13 | npx | pipeline were you using direct disk access or a disk image? |
| 09:02.14 | kenboo | karsten, thanks i know it |
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| 09:02.26 | pipeline | npx: Disk image. |
| 09:02.26 | asulao | hello. have network problems. on a linux box I'm getting a weird packet, and then other end of the (directly connected ethernet, cross cable) dies (the other end nic). the packet is like this: |
| 09:02.32 | asulao | 10:45:40.614747 Broadcast 1:80:c2:0:0:1 8808 60: |
| 09:02.40 | asulao | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.46 | asulao | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.51 | asulao | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.57 | asulao | when running tcpdump -nei eth0 |
| 09:03.02 | npx | pipeline, It's a lot faster with direct disk access |
| 09:03.05 | asulao | what does this mean? how can I fix the problem? |
| 09:03.11 | karsten | !tell asulao about paste |
| 09:03.21 | npx | pipeline You can use win2k's hardware profiles (and linux runlevels) to get things set up perfectly |
| 09:03.22 | pipeline | npx: At that point, it would be cost effective to buy a KVM. |
| 09:03.42 | asulao | karsten: ??? |
| 09:03.46 | npx | I don't think you follow me =) I've just got one installation of linux and one of windows. |
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| 09:04.11 | karsten | pipeline: Note that a KVM buys you some discrete 'n' systems. VMWare buys you IIRC 6 concurrencies, and as many images as you have space for. |
| 09:04.19 | pipeline | I don't think I understand either. You have them sharing a drive? |
| 09:04.22 | pipeline | Linux NTFS root or something? |
| 09:04.23 | karsten | asulao: Don't paste here, use #flood. |
| 09:04.34 | asulao | ah, ok thx sorry |
| 09:04.41 | pipeline | oh wait |
| 09:04.42 | npx | No, I've got a linux system on hda1 and a win2k system on hda2 |
| 09:04.43 | pipeline | that's a really good idea |
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| 09:04.50 | npx | I let vmware see the entirety of hda |
| 09:04.51 | pipeline | It just occurred to me that I have 40g of blank space |
| 09:04.58 | pipeline | on a 160 drive that's in an array of 120's |
| 09:05.07 | karsten | kenboo: Using apt-file (in other words, having read the search factoid, and, erm, searched), looks like you want libapache-mod-gzip |
| 09:05.24 | karsten | npx: Sounds like a waste of a partition. |
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| 09:05.30 | kenboo | that's for apache1 |
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| 09:05.57 | npx | I've got debian setup so that runlevel 3 is host mode and runlevel 4 is guest mode, have entries for both in grub, and I've got win2k hardware profiles for guest/host mode |
| 09:06.04 | asulao | hello. have network problems. on a linux box I'm getting a weird packet, and then other end of the (directly connected ethernet, cross cable) dies (the other end nic). can paste the packet from tcpdump to #flood. thanks |
| 09:06.11 | karsten | kenboo: http://packages.debian.org/ Do your own homework. |
| 09:06.14 | npx | it works great |
| 09:06.32 | kenboo | karsten, i know it. thanks |
| 09:06.38 | bucky | kenboo, i comes with the regular pkg of apache2 apache2-common and apache2-mpm-* |
| 09:06.51 | kenboo | oh ic |
| 09:06.53 | kenboo | thanks |
| 09:07.00 | bucky | np |
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| 09:07.22 | npx | pipeline truth be told I spend most of my time in win2k nowadays, running cygwin/X with debian in vmware for programming stuff |
| 09:08.00 | pipeline | npx: The problem with that is that I am not a windows system administrator by trade |
| 09:08.13 | npx | neither am I |
| 09:08.14 | pipeline | npx: Nobody pays me to squint at the windows desktop and dig through the MSKB every time it shits its pants |
| 09:08.22 | kenboo | bucky, it seems mod_deflate replaced mod_gzip in apache2-common |
| 09:08.29 | karsten | npx: Heh. I found I preferred running on Linux, with rdesktop or VNC access to the 'Doze side, if I needed it. |
| 09:08.40 | bucky | sounds right |
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| 09:09.08 | pipeline | npx: That's really what sealed the deal for me. I had a power outtage and 2000 shit its pants. All over its bootloader. And I did NOT feel like finding a CD drive and fucking around with shit in order to get a recovery console up. |
| 09:09.13 | ideafix | when is next debian release ready ? |
| 09:09.20 | pipeline | ideafix: When it's done :( |
| 09:09.35 | ideafix | when is that ? |
| 09:09.40 | npx | pipeline I gotta say...win2k has never given me any trouble |
| 09:09.47 | ideafix | ive read some were its was about NOW ! |
| 09:09.58 | bob2 | ideafix: no one knows when it will be out |
| 09:10.03 | npx | as long as it's behind a default deny firewall and you have half a brain, it's cool |
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| 09:10.08 | pipeline | npx: It's been a hassle and a pain in my ass since day one. With linux I have entirely different pains in the ass, but they're more, ah, manageable. |
| 09:10.10 | bucky | that always means in about nine months to a year |
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| 09:10.24 | npx | pipeline I know, right? lesser of two evils |
| 09:10.34 | npx | I hate having to read for 2 hours to do anything |
| 09:10.53 | pipeline | npx: Oh, I forgot the other thing that really, really ticked me off about 2000. |
| 09:11.02 | npx | like, for instance, installing neverwinter nights: platinum in linux is fucking masochistic |
| 09:11.19 | port80 | npx, I thought it was easy |
| 09:11.28 | pipeline | npx: I reinstalled from a 5.0 SP2 disc. With vital data stored in NTFS partitions greater than 137G in size. I bet you can guess what happens next. |
| 09:11.31 | npx | port80, dial-up =/ |
| 09:11.39 | port80 | npx you suck :p |
| 09:11.48 | npx | port80, no bioware sucks |
| 09:12.04 | npx | "All game updates included!" |
| 09:12.08 | port80 | they should have distributed the discs |
| 09:12.14 | npx | first thing I do after installing it: download 180mb of updates |
| 09:12.37 | ideafix | is that game any good ? |
| 09:12.42 | port80 | linux is best with fast adsl |
| 09:12.45 | npx | yeah loads of fun |
| 09:12.54 | port80 | ideafix, my fiance is addicted to it |
| 09:12.57 | npx | but shit it's not good enough to warrant a 5 hour install process |
| 09:13.04 | port80 | sure it is |
| 09:13.08 | asulao | hello. have network problems. on a linux box I'm getting a weird packet, and then other end of the (directly connected ethernet, cross cable) dies (the other end nic). can paste the packet from tcpdump to #flood. thanks |
| 09:13.10 | npx | I could've installed two operating systems and caught a movie in that time |
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| 09:13.32 | port80 | why didn't you? :p |
| 09:14.02 | npx | I actually *did* give up and just installed it in windows |
| 09:14.02 | ideafix | so its a girl type of game like sims ? |
| 09:14.02 | Bramme | i have a little question: sarge is the testing, so i exspect it to be upt to date, why it has a 2.4.27 kernel then ? |
| 09:14.08 | npx | sans latest 182348923mb updates |
| 09:14.08 | npx | ideafix, dude, no, it's D&D |
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| 09:14.18 | port80 | anyways I'm trying to directly access a modem as a non root user. I has changed perms on ttyS0, what else should need changing? |
| 09:14.51 | npx | port80, add your user to the dip and dialout groups |
| 09:14.53 | Phated | WTF is a "girl" type game? |
| 09:15.02 | npx | Phated face it: the sims is girly |
| 09:15.10 | Phated | Never played it. |
| 09:15.10 | port80 | hrrm |
| 09:15.16 | nevyn | ~changed permissions |
| 09:15.19 | deadcat | i thought counter-strike is girly type.. |
| 09:15.22 | npx | Phated it makes me want to grow a vagina |
| 09:15.26 | nevyn | port80: why did you change permissions? |
| 09:15.27 | npx | on my forehead =( |
| 09:15.40 | Phated | deadcat: Run around screaming and shooting. Sounds girly to me. |
| 09:15.40 | dondelelcaro | what the fuck does a game have to do with your sex? |
| 09:15.47 | port80 | nevyn, because I thought that might help :) |
| 09:15.47 | nevyn | port80: just add the user to the dip group if they need direct access to the serial ports. |
| 09:15.51 | deadcat | Phated: fire in the hole (= |
| 09:15.56 | Phated | deadcat: Exactly. |
| 09:15.57 | npx | Who said a game had anything to do with your sex? |
| 09:15.58 | port80 | I'll do that now |
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| 09:16.09 | dondelelcaro | "<npx> Phated face it: the sims is girly" |
| 09:16.15 | npx | uhh |
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| 09:16.22 | Gumby | can anyone offer some help here.. I am following a howto for patching my kernel and its telling me to "zcat /proc/config.gz > .config" I dont have a /proc/config.gz, can I just do make oldconfig here? |
| 09:16.24 | ideafix | everybody knows girls have difrent tastes in games |
| 09:16.31 | Phated | Pah. |
| 09:16.35 | bob2 | Gumby: the howto is wrong |
| 09:16.44 | Phated | "All girls like The Sims"? |
| 09:16.45 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Sex is a game. QED. |
| 09:16.48 | dondelelcaro | ideafix: I think you mean people have different tastes in games. |
| 09:16.49 | bob2 | ideafix: are you a girk? |
| 09:16.51 | bob2 | er, girl |
| 09:16.58 | Phated | That's bull. |
| 09:17.03 | Gumby | bob2: would make oldconfig be apropriate? |
| 09:17.18 | karsten | Gumby: /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 09:17.21 | bob2 | Gumby: it's not part of the default kernel, you only have that file if someone applied an optional patch |
| 09:17.21 | npx | I don't how you managed to so completely misinterpret that |
| 09:17.22 | ideafix | well girls like to play with dolls and boys with cars |
| 09:17.26 | bob2 | what carsten said |
| 09:17.27 | Phated | BULLSHIT |
| 09:17.31 | raid5 | anyone here use idesk? |
| 09:17.35 | karsten | Gumby: ...presuming you've got a Debian installed current kernel. |
| 09:17.35 | bob2 | ideafix: please leave your idiot thoughts at the door |
| 09:17.36 | deadcat | raid5: ya |
| 09:17.36 | Phated | raid5: Yeah, why? |
| 09:17.43 | raid5 | does idesk work with artwiz fonts? |
| 09:17.45 | ideafix | only later on do boys like to play with dolls ;) |
| 09:17.49 | Phated | Eh, I played plenty of Ninja turtlres. |
| 09:17.51 | deadcat | raid5: ya |
| 09:18.03 | Phated | Eh... Ninja Reptiles. :) |
| 09:18.03 | ideafix | bob2: your an idiot |
| 09:18.03 | karsten | ideafix: ...inflatable? |
| 09:18.06 | npx | ninja turtles were reasonably hardcore |
| 09:18.07 | raid5 | and can you getrid of transparency while mouse not over ? |
| 09:18.13 | npx | not quite as cool as the transformers, but eh |
| 09:18.16 | deadcat | raid5: but it crashes often. when you change background image alot, it gives up. |
| 09:18.20 | karsten | raid5: Isn't that Mac stuff? |
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| 09:18.24 | Phated | raid5: In .ideskrc, transparency = 0. |
| 09:18.25 | deadcat | raid5: yes. |
| 09:18.26 | bob2 | ideafix: sure, but I don't wave my stereotypes around like a moron |
| 09:18.26 | United | how do i know if sasl2 is installed? |
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| 09:18.32 | bob2 | so let's move on |
| 09:18.37 | dondelelcaro | anyway, the games and their relationship (or lack thereof) to sex doesn't belong here. Please take it elsewhere. |
| 09:18.38 | port80 | hehehe |
| 09:18.40 | Phated | deadcat: Just reload it. *shrugs* :) |
| 09:18.42 | karsten | pipeline: |
| 09:18.44 | Gumby | karsten: thx. so cat /boot/config-2.6.9-1 > .config ? |
| 09:18.46 | deadcat | United: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 09:18.47 | karsten | pipeline: I hate you, BTW. |
| 09:18.57 | npx | bob2, you keep them to yourself? |
| 09:18.58 | ideafix | stereotypes exist why deny it ? |
| 09:19.00 | deadcat | Phated: damn. thats the problem. i have to reload. )= |
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| 09:19.06 | karsten | Gumby: In theory. |
| 09:19.08 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 09:19.08 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@a81-84-140-5.netcabo.pt] by dondelelcaro |
| 09:19.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 09:19.09 | Gumby | heh |
| 09:19.10 | Phated | deadcat: I dunno... DOuble-middle-click? |
| 09:19.10 | pipeline | karsten: Hate me for what? Not being on dial-up? :P |
| 09:19.17 | npx | yeah exactly, there's no fun in having controversial opinions if you don't share them with anyone |
| 09:19.19 | karsten | raid5: Um. NM WRT idesk |
| 09:19.19 | Gumby | karsten: in practice? is that waht you'd recommend? |
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| 09:19.32 | deadcat | Phated: not that reload. idesk crashes. |
| 09:19.32 | karsten | pipeline: No. You've got me polluting a perfectly good Debian system with Windows crud. |
| 09:19.35 | Phated | deadcat: Configurable in ~.ideskrc, of course. |
| 09:19.37 | raid5 | Phated, : when the mouse is over the icons are shaded..i dont want that... |
| 09:19.39 | pipeline | Gumby: You may want to ask yourself why you're patching your kernel. |
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| 09:19.46 | raid5 | howto configure that? |
| 09:19.49 | karsten | Gumby: In practice, rely on theory. |
| 09:19.54 | deadcat | raid5: man the mother fucker |
| 09:19.56 | Phated | raid5: Like. I. Said. Transparency = 0 in ~/.ideskrc. |
| 09:19.56 | scarynetworkguy | raid5: So read the config files and change it. |
| 09:19.58 | karsten | Gumby: ...but beware of discrepencies. |
| 09:19.59 | dondelelcaro | npx, ideafix: feel free to discuss your controversial opinions in the fora on FN dedicated to such discussions. |
| 09:20.03 | Gumby | pipeline: because the module I want for my webcam and it no longer exists in the kernel |
| 09:20.04 | raid5 | k let me giv it a try |
| 09:20.10 | Phated | deadcat: Hm, dunno, never happened to me. |
| 09:20.21 | karsten | pipeline: ...and yeah, the dialup situation doesn't help much either. Apparently I removed WINE some time back. |
| 09:20.25 | deadcat | Phated: try to change a bg image every 15min (= |
| 09:20.33 | pipeline | karsten: oooh, that's going to get ugly :| |
| 09:20.34 | United | anyone here good with postfix and auth-smtp ? i use plain login and i supply the md5 hash password and it accepts it, but when i use digest-md5 and supply the real password or the md5 has value it wont go through, any ideas? |
| 09:20.39 | raid5 | Phated, : ok sweet it that worked |
| 09:20.44 | Phated | deadcat: Right, it's not my fault that you're more fussy about images than me. |
| 09:21.03 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:21.04 | karsten | pipeline: It always does. |
| 09:21.05 | Phated | raid5: Surprise, surprise. I generally don't say something with such conviction if I don't know it to work. |
| 09:21.06 | raid5 | Phated, : now how do i do artwiz font? it keeps using falling back to some other font |
| 09:21.11 | pipeline | Gumby: I do not think you're going to have fun dealing with that :| |
| 09:21.13 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Be less of a monkey. :) |
| 09:21.14 | bob2 | United: craig small has a nice howto for that |
| 09:21.16 | karsten | pipeline: ...d/l'ing DCOM98.EXE as well.... |
| 09:21.16 | streuner_ | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 09:21.23 | Phated | *shrugs* Artwiz seems to be one of those stupid things that never play nice. |
| 09:21.29 | Gumby | pipeline: I am already having great fun. hehe :) |
| 09:21.35 | Gumby | pipeline: learning = fun |
| 09:21.35 | United | bob2, i am using high5.net/howto but where is the tutorial? |
| 09:21.36 | karsten | pipeline: Did ./setup for sidenet, and it bitched at me for not having wine... I'm like WTF? |
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| 09:21.44 | raid5 | :p |
| 09:21.46 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: cant stand the same image for more than 30min. |
| 09:21.52 | bob2 | United: http://small.dropbear.id.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html |
| 09:21.57 | karsten | pipeline: 3% [1 libwine 295808/7428kB 3%] 723B/s 3h11m11s |
| 09:21.59 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Do less crack? :) |
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| 09:22.03 | deadcat | (= |
| 09:22.03 | raid5 | i keep setting the font..but it dont work |
| 09:22.14 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: you know i am clean. (= |
| 09:22.19 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Heh. |
| 09:22.23 | raid5 | hey you tried fbdesk ? its nice works alight with fluxbox |
| 09:22.30 | laust | Hi everyone.. Does anybody know a good ocr for linux? |
| 09:22.30 | streuner_ | Somebody use ob2 and idesk? |
| 09:22.39 | streuner_ | no |
| 09:22.40 | binskipy2k4 | scuse me guys, i'm new to this x-chat.. is there a website/link to UPDATE the list of servers or where i can find more subjects? |
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| 09:22.44 | deadcat | raid5: well. aint using flux here. |
| 09:22.55 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Yeah but you are still a monkey. Granted a pretty cool monkey but a monkey all the same. |
| 09:23.01 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:23.04 | raid5 | hehe k |
| 09:23.05 | karsten | binskipy2k4: Um. What subjects? Active channels? |
| 09:23.11 | binskipy2k4 | yeah\ |
| 09:23.13 | port80 | nevyn, to further that I'm accessing the modem through mgetty (vgetty) - adding the user to dip didn't seam to help |
| 09:23.15 | binskipy2k4 | i dont know what is on each channel |
| 09:23.17 | deadcat | streuner_: ob3+idesk+fbpanel+torsmo+gdeskcal+root-tail |
| 09:23.18 | binskipy2k4 | w/o going to all of them |
| 09:23.28 | binskipy2k4 | is there a source of "others" |
| 09:23.29 | binskipy2k4 | ? |
| 09:23.30 | karsten | binskipy2k4: /msg chanserv list <pattern> shows channels here. |
| 09:23.32 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: hehe. monkey see monkey do |
| 09:23.37 | binskipy2k4 | know what i'm asking? |
| 09:23.38 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Indeed. |
| 09:23.41 | streuner_ | deadcat: the odd thing is iam still using ob2. |
| 09:23.43 | Phated | deadcat: What do torsmo and root-tail do? |
| 09:23.50 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:23.58 | karsten | binskipy2k4: Prefix w/ my name so I can find your posts. |
| 09:24.00 | nevyn | port80: you want to let a user dial IN? |
| 09:24.01 | Phated | I use all the rest, surprisingly. But not gdeskcal. |
| 09:24.05 | deadcat | streuner_: never used ob2. thats like {flux,black}box right? |
| 09:24.06 | streuner_ | !info torsmo |
| 09:24.08 | binskipy2k4 | karstan |
| 09:24.12 | port80 | nevyn, no let the user dialout |
| 09:24.13 | binskipy2k4 | i am new to this stuff |
| 09:24.17 | dpkg | torsmo: (System monitor that sits in the corner of your desktop), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.17-4 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 09:24.17 | binskipy2k4 | what do you mean prefix? |
| 09:24.21 | karsten | binskipy2k4: AFAIK there's no canonical list, XChat's default list is pretty comprehensive for major sites. |
| 09:24.22 | streuner_ | deadcat: yep |
| 09:24.27 | Phated | ob3 is like a complete rewrite form ob2, no? |
| 09:24.29 | binskipy2k4 | ok |
| 09:24.30 | binskipy2k4 | thanks |
| 09:24.31 | nevyn | port80: mgetty is for dialing IN. |
| 09:24.38 | nevyn | port80: try minicom. |
| 09:24.40 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah that's what their docs say. |
| 09:24.41 | deadcat | Phated: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/crazy.openbox.rss.root-tail.setup.png |
| 09:24.41 | binskipy2k4 | was looking for subjecst like biology, physics |
| 09:24.43 | binskipy2k4 | stuff like that |
| 09:24.50 | port80 | nevyn, vgetty (part for mgetty package) allows you to dial out |
| 09:24.50 | Phated | deadcat: Cool, thanks. |
| 09:24.56 | karsten | binskipy2k4: Put my name at the start of the line. k<tab> should work (tab completion). Highlights your msg in my view. |
| 09:25.12 | binskipy2k4 | karsten, |
| 09:25.14 | port80 | nevyn, I have it working well for root user |
| 09:25.17 | streuner_ | Phated: they hadn't any themes after they change it to ob3... |
| 09:25.17 | nevyn | port80: what are you connecting to? what kind of system/session? |
| 09:25.18 | karsten | binskipy2k4: Note that pretty much *anyone* can run an IRC server, sometimes you've just got to ask. |
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| 09:25.23 | deadcat | Phated: top left is torsmo, bottom left is root-tail and everything on the right mon is root-tail (= |
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| 09:25.25 | binskipy2k4 | ok |
| 09:25.25 | karsten | binskipy2k4: That's the idea. Now say something ;-) |
| 09:25.37 | bob2 | binskipy2k4: usenet is a better place for that sort of thing |
| 09:25.40 | Phated | streuner_: They provide a python script that can port fb themes over. Works well. |
| 09:25.46 | port80 | nevyn, just making the modem dial a number and I pick up my phone and continue conversation |
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| 09:25.52 | binskipy2k4 | karsten, just wondering if there's subjects like physics, and other "subjects" |
| 09:25.56 | Phated | Well... I'd like something like obsetbg, but... |
| 09:25.58 | streuner_ | Phated: oh |
| 09:26.18 | Phated | streuner_: Yeah, 's pretty cool. YOu can also install openbox-themes. |
| 09:26.27 | nevyn | port80: with dtmfdial or something? |
| 09:26.29 | raid5 | in .ideskrc i got FontName i got FontName: -artwiz-nu-medium-r-normal--11-110-75-75-p-90-iso8859-1 |
| 09:26.30 | karsten | binskipy2k4: And what binskipy2k4 said. Go Usenet, or ask around in communities you're familiar with. IRC has somewhat limited utility for complex topics. |
| 09:26.35 | raid5 | but it doesnt seem to load that font :( |
| 09:26.35 | deadcat | Phated: over kill eh? |
| 09:26.36 | raid5 | grrr |
| 09:26.41 | binskipy2k4 | ok thanks |
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| 09:26.42 | karsten | binskipy2k4: /msg chanserv list *physics* |
| 09:26.44 | Phated | deadcat: eH? |
| 09:26.46 | deadcat | raid5: edged? |
| 09:26.52 | deadcat | Phated: my workspace. |
| 09:27.02 | raid5 | deadcat, : what you mean? |
| 09:27.09 | karsten | binskipy2k4: chanserv is an automated nick here, it knows all channels. |
| 09:27.11 | Phated | deadcat: Heh, haven't seen it. I was reloading idesk. :) |
| 09:27.13 | dipp | How can I remove the hardware detect mechanism at startup of Debian Sarge? |
| 09:27.17 | port80 | nevyn, nope just a plain vm shell command that tells it to dial - as I said, works for root |
| 09:27.20 | deadcat | raid5: the edges font |
| 09:27.24 | karsten | Feh. |
| 09:27.27 | streuner_ | dipp: disable discover |
| 09:27.35 | dipp | streuner_: thanks |
| 09:27.40 | dondelelcaro | probably also want to ditch hotplug... |
| 09:27.46 | raid5 | i get a different font instead when i run idesk |
| 09:27.50 | raid5 | not artwiz-nu |
| 09:28.02 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: That's pretty cool. |
| 09:28.11 | nevyn | port80: my bad you need to be in the dialout group for raw device access. |
| 09:28.15 | Phated | Hm, I'd like to have dual-LCDs though... These icons of mwilson's are very nice, but huge. |
| 09:28.19 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: thanks. thats old though. dont use gkrellm and xpenguins no more. |
| 09:28.21 | dipp | nah, I need hotplug :) |
| 09:28.22 | port80 | nevyn, ta |
| 09:28.24 | nevyn | port80: dip is for ability to pon/poff |
| 09:28.31 | Phated | I like xpenguins. |
| 09:28.32 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Cool. |
| 09:28.36 | Phated | With the -b option. |
| 09:28.40 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:28.42 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what do you replace for hotplug? |
| 09:28.47 | nevyn | port80: you need to logout and back in to refresh the groups btw. |
| 09:28.53 | deadcat | Phated: what does -b do to those bastards? |
| 09:28.56 | nevyn | insert rant about unix sucking here. |
| 09:29.02 | Phated | deadcat: Makes them not splash blood. :) |
| 09:29.06 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 09:29.11 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: loading the appropriate modules by hand, primarily. |
| 09:29.18 | deadcat | Phated: i KILL them for entertainment. |
| 09:29.18 | Phated | Well what? I'm squeamish. :) |
| 09:29.36 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: arg. my prism2_usb wont work without hotplug. |
| 09:29.38 | Phated | deadcat: Oh yeah, me too, I like to see how many I can hit with opening up the root menu. :) |
| 09:29.43 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh |
| 09:29.47 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 09:29.47 | United | does, outlook use digest-dm5 does anyone know? |
| 09:29.51 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAH |
| 09:29.53 | raid5 | deadcat, : any hints? |
| 09:30.03 | scarynetworkguy | And the record is? |
| 09:30.08 | deadcat | raid5: nope. i dont use text on idesk. |
| 09:30.09 | Phated | deadcat: I just don't like seeing them splash when they hit like the bottom of the screen or something. |
| 09:30.13 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: did you ever see 'Barbarella'? |
| 09:30.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I dunno, fifteen or so. |
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| 09:30.23 | raid5 | Phated, : you might b able to help ;) |
| 09:30.28 | raid5 | Phated, : in .ideskrc i got FontName i got FontName: -artwiz-nu-medium-r-normal--11-110-75-75-p-90-iso8859-1 |
| 09:30.29 | scarynetworkguy | Cool |
| 09:30.30 | Phated | Why me? |
| 09:30.38 | deadcat | Phated: i usually pull the terminal away and let the little bastard fall to his death. |
| 09:30.41 | dondelelcaro | United: see http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/mel/SASL_ClientRef.html |
| 09:30.41 | Phated | WTF... Just use "artwiz nu" or something. |
| 09:30.45 | raid5 | Phated, : you are the best :p |
| 09:30.46 | Phated | deadcat: Ahhh. |
| 09:30.52 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: no... I kind of want to though. |
| 09:30.53 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
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| 09:31.00 | Phated | raid5: Oh, bull. I don't have ops. *hint* |
| 09:31.11 | raid5 | lol |
| 09:31.17 | Phated | deadcat: That's a pretty cool desktop. What was what again? |
| 09:31.39 | Phated | Hm, and I never did get the simpsons xpenguins working. |
| 09:31.59 | scarynetworkguy | Ooh. They have a Simpsons mod? |
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| 09:32.14 | Phated | You can see Bart if you look in the lower half of the right monitor in that shot. |
| 09:32.22 | Phated | And Lisa. |
| 09:32.27 | deadcat | Phated: ob3+torsmo+aterm+root-tail+idesk+gdeskcal+few wm applets |
| 09:32.38 | Phated | deadcat: Which is torsmo and root-tail? |
| 09:32.41 | scarynetworkguy | Oh yeah. Pretty cool. |
| 09:32.43 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: the last few screenshots are somewhat newer |
| 09:32.49 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Cool. |
| 09:33.02 | deadcat | Phated: torsmo == top left, root-tail == bottom left |
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| 09:33.26 | Phated | torsmo looks cool. |
| 09:33.32 | port80 | nevyn, I did su <username> still doesn't work - how can I check that I added correctly? |
| 09:33.37 | deadcat | Phated: ya. color thanks to mwilson |
| 09:33.41 | Phated | Like... gdesklets with less eyecandy. |
| 09:33.43 | United | does outlook express allow digest-md5? |
| 09:33.50 | Phated | Haha... mwilson, the desktop master. |
| 09:33.51 | nevyn | port80: need su - username |
| 09:33.56 | port80 | ah |
| 09:34.05 | scarynetworkguy | United: #shitmailclients |
| 09:34.07 | Phated | Oooh, wmbubblefishmon! |
| 09:34.14 | United | :\ |
| 09:34.17 | United | whats that mean |
| 09:34.19 | streuner_ | United: we aren't care |
| 09:34.29 | port80 | nope :( |
| 09:34.39 | United | just a question, any idea? |
| 09:34.52 | United | im trying to figure out why my clients cant connect to my mail server |
| 09:34.55 | Phated | deadcat: What's all the slashdot and distrowatch stuff? torsmo? |
| 09:34.57 | United | but plain text they can |
| 09:34.57 | dondelelcaro | United: I already answered your question. Look at the website I sent you to, and read. |
| 09:35.16 | deadcat | Phated: root-tailS. shit loads of them. |
| 09:35.23 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, cool. |
| 09:35.26 | streuner_ | postfix? |
| 09:35.26 | port80 | how do I check which groups a particular user is in? |
| 09:35.26 | nevyn | port80: you're getting permission denied? |
| 09:35.35 | Phated | port80: "groups foo" |
| 09:35.38 | deadcat | Phated: i have a rss-grep script that works with crontab and root-tailS |
| 09:35.39 | United | yes |
| 09:35.50 | deadcat | port80: id user |
| 09:35.54 | port80 | nevyn, unlink() failed, giving up: Operation not permitted - in log file, nothing from the console |
| 09:35.54 | Phated | deadcat: Ahh, sweeet. |
| 09:36.00 | karsten | United: It's OT here. |
| 09:36.18 | port80 | deadcat, thanks |
| 09:36.21 | deadcat | went to Mac world expo on tue. it blows |
| 09:36.37 | Phated | deadcat: Last question, I swear... How do you do the matrix thing right next to the calendar? |
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| 09:36.55 | nevyn | unlink what failed? |
| 09:36.59 | deadcat | Phated: which matrix thing? next to the calendar? left or right? |
| 09:37.04 | port80 | excellent question |
| 09:37.07 | nevyn | this sounds like the program is being naughty |
| 09:37.14 | port80 | I'll increase verbosity |
| 09:37.22 | deadcat | Phated: oh.. that one. |
| 09:37.25 | Phated | deadcat: Just on the right, between the calendar and the video. |
| 09:37.38 | Phated | Under the distrowatch root-tail. |
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| 09:37.44 | nevyn | and trying to create a logfile somewhere that members of dialout can't write. |
| 09:37.46 | port80 | ahh it's trying to kill a lockfile |
| 09:37.49 | deadcat | Phated: thats the old screenshot. i moved it to top right now. above torsmo (=. thats aterm using nil font from artwiz |
| 09:37.51 | nevyn | s/logfile/lockfile |
| 09:38.09 | port80 | nevyn, good guess :) |
| 09:38.11 | nevyn | port80: it won't be able to kill roots lockfile. |
| 09:38.17 | port80 | yeah |
| 09:38.22 | port80 | I'll do it by hand |
| 09:38.22 | nevyn | but root shouldn't have a lock anymore. |
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| 09:38.32 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah I'm looking at the old screenshot... The tiny little matrix thing. |
| 09:38.34 | port80 | I might have killed it by hand at some stage :( |
| 09:39.27 | deadcat | Phated: ya. aterm -fn nil2 -sh 99 -g 80x24+0+0 |
| 09:40.01 | Phated | deadcat: You sure that's 80x24? |
| 09:40.05 | deadcat | Phated: too bad i cant figure out how to use devilspie to get rid of the border )= |
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| 09:40.09 | port80 | thanks for your patience nevyn |
| 09:40.16 | port80 | got it |
| 09:40.20 | deadcat | Phated: ya. but the font is fucking small. "nil2" from artwiz |
| 09:40.26 | Phated | Ahhh... |
| 09:40.38 | Phated | So it's like a really tiny one. Cool. |
| 09:40.49 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. Very much so. |
| 09:40.55 | deadcat | Phated: tiniest i can find |
| 09:41.19 | Phated | deadcat: Haha. You're fucking addicted to the matrix, man. :) |
| 09:41.25 | Phated | wmmatrix, aterm, and another one. |
| 09:41.26 | deadcat | (= |
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| 09:41.52 | deadcat | i watched the first movie so many times |
| 09:41.58 | Phated | Oh yeah. :) |
| 09:41.58 | Phated | HOw often do your root-tail rss'es get updated? |
| 09:42.03 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Have I mentioned that I hate you with a hate that burns like the sun. :) |
| 09:42.34 | deadcat | Phated: 30min for all, 15min for debian sid pkgs. |
| 09:42.40 | *** part/#debian flippo (~frivol@63.227.116.241) |
| 09:42.47 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: thats alot of hate (= |
| 09:42.51 | Phated | deadcat: Schweet, you get sid updated packages? |
| 09:42.57 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Indeed it is. :) |
| 09:43.00 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: HAHA. i am dual LCD now. HAHAHAHAH |
| 09:43.12 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Yeah I noticed. Bastard. |
| 09:43.17 | deadcat | HAHA true |
| 09:43.19 | Phated | Yeah, fucking bastard. |
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| 09:43.21 | Phated | :) |
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| 09:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 09:45.10 | deadcat | Phated: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=rss-grep and http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=ROOT-TAIL |
| 09:46.02 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Cool. |
| 09:46.08 | sorahn | is there an apt-get that will allow my machine to interpret php? |
| 09:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse sorahn |
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| 09:46.23 | dpkg | No, how was your mushroom today, sorahn? trousers of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 09:46.35 | sorahn | :( |
| 09:46.48 | deadcat | sorahn: lay down the weed man! |
| 09:46.59 | scarynetworkguy | sorahn: Ask a qustion that has something to do with reality here in the sidereal universe. |
| 09:46.59 | karsten | deadcat: is sshonly.sytes.net yours? |
| 09:47.08 | karsten | deadcat: ...who's the ch1x0r in the video? |
| 09:47.19 | laust | so... anybody has an idea for an ocr app? i can't find one that works fine |
| 09:47.20 | deadcat | karsten: sshonly.sytes.net is mine registerd from noip.com |
| 09:47.27 | deadcat | karsten: which video? |
| 09:47.36 | tricaric | Someone interested in packaging a cool Astronomy/3D/Scientific Grade application? |
| 09:47.49 | karsten | deadcat: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/crazy.openbox.rss.root-tail.setup.png |
| 09:48.02 | karsten | deadcat: Oh, she's a Channel 2 news anchor. KTVU. |
| 09:48.09 | sorahn | well, im just learning php, and i dont like having to upload all my files to a web server |
| 09:48.14 | deadcat | karsten: ya. (= leslie something |
| 09:48.24 | karsten | laust: Last I looked at OCR (2003) I found one app, but results were poor. |
| 09:48.36 | raid5 | whats a good client for edonkey? |
| 09:48.37 | sorahn | iid like to be able to just run them from my machine |
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| 09:48.40 | karsten | deadcat: Right. I knew I knew her from somewhere. |
| 09:48.46 | deadcat | raid5: search |
| 09:48.52 | deadcat | hehe |
| 09:48.53 | karsten | deadcat: ... not that I watch TV, must've been from an online vid. |
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| 09:49.10 | laust | karsten, i tried kooka with ocrad but i only get gibberish, even with a very good scan |
| 09:49.18 | karsten | fsck. wine's got 2 hours to go.... |
| 09:49.23 | tricaric | I've already posted and updated several times an RFP, but I've not been very lucky with that.. :( |
| 09:49.29 | raid5 | deadcat, : :( |
| 09:49.30 | laust | i wanted to try with gocr but whichever i choose, kooka takes ocrad... |
| 09:49.34 | karsten | laust: Yeah, that was about my experience. Don't recall what I was using. |
| 09:49.50 | karsten | laust: I hate to do this, but you might look at either Windows or proprietary OCR. |
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| 09:50.04 | deadcat | raid5: lazy bastard (= |
| 09:50.22 | tricaric | I see... |
| 09:50.39 | laust | karsten, yes, that's what i'm doing.. cursing and whipping myself at the same time |
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| 09:50.57 | karsten | deadcat: Weird thing about KTVU is they've had the same anchors for *decades*. I think the black dude's going on his third. |
| 09:50.57 | *** part/#debian marcel_ (~marcel@og-9c66.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 09:51.07 | raid5 | deadcat, its called n00bness :p |
| 09:51.12 | karsten | laust: Now if you'd share the pleasure we'd have something. |
| 09:51.36 | deadcat | karsten: ya. dennis has been on for many years. i have seen him with afro on tv in a movie (= |
| 09:51.50 | deadcat | raid5: its call fucking lazy (= like me |
| 09:51.50 | raid5 | im using amule now |
| 09:51.59 | deadcat | limewire here |
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| 09:52.09 | karsten | laust: Looks like some interesting hits (I'm lagging, haven't loaded 'em yet): http://www.google.com/search?q=linux%20ocr%20software |
| 09:52.26 | scarynetworkguy | !tell raid5 about smart questions |
| 09:52.28 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah. I moved out of area in 1985 and remember him on for years before that. |
| 09:52.33 | laust | thx karsten |
| 09:52.37 | karsten | deadcat: He's getting a little frosty in the 'fro. |
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| 09:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | raid5: Go read what that says about calling yourself a noob. |
| 09:52.48 | deadcat | HAHAHAHAH |
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| 09:53.48 | deadcat | karsten: wonder if dennis and leslie have had affairs (= HAHA |
| 09:54.15 | karsten | deadcat: Film at 11. |
| 09:54.22 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 09:54.46 | humbolt | if I set testing as dist in apt.conf but have testing and unstable sources and I do dist-upgrade, do I get the latest unstable or testing packages if I have not set any priorities in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 09:55.03 | scarynetworkguy | humbolt: You get a fucking borken system. |
| 09:55.08 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: you'll get unstable. |
| 09:55.22 | humbolt | fuc* |
| 09:55.25 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: man apt_preferences; if you're unsure why this would occur. |
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| 09:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | DON'T MIX SOURCES!! |
| 09:55.46 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: testing & unstable *can* mix. It's testing/stable that's b0rken. |
| 09:55.50 | dnb | can i use mouse on xterm to control cursor ? |
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| 09:55.54 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Mellow. |
| 09:55.57 | humbolt | scarynetworkguy: I am afraid that's what I got. |
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| 09:56.06 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Yeah maybe. I still think it's a bad idea. |
| 09:56.11 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: it's not really a big deal to have both testing and unstable, since unstable will superseed testing in almost every case. |
| 09:56.14 | nome | hi |
| 09:56.16 | karsten | humbolt: You _can_ combine testing/unstable sources, but you want to set a preference via pinning. |
| 09:56.20 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: I do it ;-) |
| 09:56.27 | karsten | !hi nome |
| 09:56.28 | dpkg | Many greetings, nome, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 09:56.31 | scarynetworkguy | humbolt: karsten says it will work and he does know this stuff better than me. |
| 09:56.53 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: you homeless? (= |
| 09:56.57 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: ...and I've got the scabs to prove it. |
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| 09:57.04 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: I just don't own the bridge. |
| 09:57.07 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Heh. |
| 09:57.18 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: ...watch out, they're changing the design and will tear it down and start over...to save money. |
| 09:57.19 | raghu | i installed cups server when i try lpq....it says lpq: command not found |
| 09:57.37 | nome | i found this ....use svn://svn.linux1394.org/libraw1394/ as the repository address. |
| 09:57.40 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Ah Well. |
| 09:57.49 | nome | what does it mean? |
| 09:57.52 | nome | ._____. |
| 09:58.04 | scarynetworkguy | nome: If you have to ask.... |
| 09:58.09 | peterS | nome: is that morse code? |
| 09:58.11 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: thou shall not covet thy neighbor's dual 17" LCDs (= |
| 09:58.18 | raghu | i installed cups server when i try lpq....it says lpq: command not found????...any solution |
| 09:58.18 | karsten | nome: svn is a version control system. svn: is the access protocol you'd use. |
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| 09:58.48 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Indeed. Although I still really like my 19" :) |
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| 09:59.03 | dondelelcaro | raghu: cups doesn't use lpq, afaik. lpr is the only lpd-like interface it supports. |
| 09:59.18 | karsten | 01:55 < scarynetworkguy> humbolt: You get a fucking borken system. |
| 09:59.23 | bbrazil | raghu: install cupsys-bsd |
| 09:59.32 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: I stand corrected. |
| 09:59.33 | raghu | bbrazil: thx |
| 09:59.33 | karsten | OMFG: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.lachy.id.au/zengarden/office2003/office2003.css |
| 09:59.35 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: its hard to find bg images at 1280x1024 though. all the good ones i have are 1024x768 |
| 09:59.40 | bbrazil | raghu: np |
| 09:59.42 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: Heh. |
| 09:59.43 | raid5 | hey amule isnt too bad |
| 09:59.45 | nome | karsten, i feel it'is something like "irc" but for sure my browser doesn't support it... |
| 09:59.52 | nome | .__________. |
| 09:59.54 | raid5 | anything else better? |
| 10:00.04 | scarynetworkguy | 02:00 < scarynetworkguy> | humbolt: karsten says it will work and he does know this stuff better than me. |
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| 10:00.15 | karsten | nome: I don't use svn much myself. peterS here might know. |
| 10:00.16 | dondelelcaro | nome: could you please turn off whatever it is that is adding those ._____________. to everything you say? |
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| 10:00.25 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, yeah. Stop beating yourself up over it. |
| 10:00.26 | skunk | hey... can anyone confirm if squid can use samba for authentication ? |
| 10:00.28 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: I only have the one bg and I've had it for going on 4 months now. My desktops tend to be stable. |
| 10:00.32 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Heh. |
| 10:01.10 | pipeline | karsten: I think it's important to note that that page doesn't even work with a mause wheel |
| 10:01.19 | nome | dondelelcaro, it was to express my feeling ..... but it'll not be a problem to turn of it |
| 10:01.44 | karsten | pipeline: That's apparently a CSS weakness. There's several similar designs, and you have to scroll via the bar. |
| 10:01.45 | Phated | deadcat: Cool. |
| 10:01.48 | dondelelcaro | nome: thanks. |
| 10:01.57 | karsten | pipeline: which has made me realize how used I am to scrolling via wheel. |
| 10:02.07 | nome | peterS, it seems you can help me |
| 10:02.10 | karsten | pipeline: Here too: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=http://www.patrick-pecher.de/csszengarden/css/zen.css |
| 10:02.26 | peterS | nome: with what? I'm only sporadically paying attention here, so I missed your question, other than the morse code |
| 10:02.26 | karsten | pipeline: I'd like to do a design using my WMaker desktop as a background . |
| 10:03.00 | nome | i found this ....use svn://svn.linux1394.org/libraw1394/ as the repository address. |
| 10:03.17 | deadcat | Phated: the scripts? ROOT-TAIL is pretty flexible now. handles diff resolutions and dual mons i think |
| 10:03.21 | nome | but svn ? |
| 10:03.35 | karsten | peterS: I nominated you. svn question. |
| 10:03.49 | karsten | peterS: ...I figure Neo and Trinity (c&j) are sick of me ;-) |
| 10:03.52 | nome | peterS, so nothing thanks anyway |
| 10:03.54 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, cool. I'm just going to think about whether I want to waste any more of this 15-incher with root-tail. ;) |
| 10:03.55 | peterS | nome: what about it? yes, IEEE1394 is likely to be in a svn repository, since its lead developer, Ben Collins, also works on svn (: |
| 10:04.12 | deadcat | Phated: right on (= |
| 10:04.19 | Phated | :) |
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| 10:04.46 | deadcat | Phated: i dont think root-tail and torsmo play well with xfce4 but i think you can fix the problem i guess. |
| 10:04.56 | Phated | deadcat: I'm on openbox now. :) |
| 10:05.01 | Phated | Have been for about a week. |
| 10:05.02 | deadcat | Phated: oh girl (= |
| 10:05.07 | Phated | Haha. |
| 10:05.28 | deadcat | Phated: perfect then. |
| 10:05.30 | peterS | nome: apt-get install subversion. then 'svn co svn://whatever-that-address/was' |
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| 10:05.40 | karsten | Phated: you familiar with xrootconsole? |
| 10:05.44 | deadcat | xfce4 was fun for like 2 weeks. |
| 10:05.47 | Phated | deadcat: Indeed. All your scripts should just slide on. |
| 10:05.50 | nome | peterS, thanks |
| 10:05.54 | Phated | karsten: Not really, hold while I man. |
| 10:05.56 | karsten | Phated: ...not sure this fits your neeed. |
| 10:06.08 | peterS | nome: 'co' is short for 'checkout', just so you know |
| 10:06.08 | deadcat | Phated: then you might want to cehck my .xsession as well. |
| 10:06.15 | Phated | !info xrootconsole |
| 10:06.22 | dpkg | xrootconsole: (Fancy X console display), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 10:06.26 | Phated | deadcat: I'm bookmarking your page as we speak... :) |
| 10:06.43 | deadcat | karsten: xrootconsole blows compare to root-tail |
| 10:06.47 | _d4vid | hi all |
| 10:06.55 | karsten | Phated: it's basically a transparent window on root. |
| 10:07.01 | Phated | Ah. |
| 10:07.01 | karsten | deadcat: Hrm. |
| 10:07.03 | deadcat | Phated: hehe. i think you might have to signup to check the dotfiles section. |
| 10:07.24 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, man. :) Better be free, I ain't busting out my mom's credit cards for a few dotfiles. :) |
| 10:07.47 | karsten | deadcat: What's r-t's benefit? |
| 10:07.54 | deadcat | Phated: i mean reg. heheh. just to keep bots out |
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| 10:08.05 | Phated | Can you enter input on either root-tail or xrootconsole? |
| 10:08.10 | Phated | deadcat: Haha, cool. |
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| 10:08.19 | karsten | deadcat: ...and I've been known to run a frameless, transparent, no-scrollbar wterm for equivalent effects. |
| 10:08.31 | karsten | Phated: IIRC not on xrootconsole. |
| 10:08.34 | deadcat | Phated: xrootconsole is that thing from xdm right? |
| 10:08.46 | Phated | Meh, Eterm in openbox and undecorate it does the dame. :) |
| 10:09.07 | Phated | deadcat: Never used it. It sounds like something like root-tail. |
| 10:09.09 | karsten | Phated: ...but what I just wrote. You can run a terminal, strip all WM decorations, sink it to the bottom of your stack, set it transparent, and pretend it's part of desktop root. But still have focus. |
| 10:09.17 | karsten | deadcat: No. It's seperate app. |
| 10:09.21 | deadcat | karsten: {a,w,e}term with those effect is nice but if you dont disable the alt+tab to go to that window you are screwed |
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| 10:09.34 | scarynetworkguy | Which I think is the same thing root-tail does. |
| 10:09.39 | scarynetworkguy | Either way pretty cool stuff. |
| 10:09.40 | Phated | Who needs alt-tab? Focus-follow-mouse! |
| 10:09.50 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 10:10.11 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah, I mess w/ my WM's configs. |
| 10:10.11 | Phated | Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week, and longer, and you can't get rid of me! |
| 10:10.12 | deadcat | focus follow mouse is confusing because most of the time i cant find the mouse under all these stuff on my workspace |
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| 10:10.31 | karsten | deadcat: ...you can specifically disable all of that individually, and if you use named resources, specific to just one instance. |
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| 10:10.36 | asuffield_ | Phated: don't bet on it, you pervert |
| 10:10.42 | Phated | asuffield: :P |
| 10:10.44 | karsten | deadcat: The mouse is the bright bit that keeps moving ;-) |
| 10:11.10 | deadcat | karsten: resources only work for some programs. i am trying to disable the borders on aterm for a while now. |
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| 10:11.18 | [GABRI] | hie |
| 10:11.30 | karsten | Who was looking for OCR? |
| 10:11.41 | deadcat | karsten: have you seen my workspace? everything is pretty bright. (= and moving. |
| 10:11.43 | karsten | [GABRI]: ...thee to a nunnery? |
| 10:11.57 | Phated | karsten: Yeah, what deadcat said. His desktop is something worthy of jealousy. |
| 10:12.03 | karsten | deadcat: Only partially. I'm trying to d/l *useful* stuff ATM. |
| 10:12.06 | deadcat | karsten: 2 monitors and i rarely look at the left one |
| 10:12.11 | scarynetworkguy | It is pretty damn cool. |
| 10:12.16 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:12.20 | karsten | laust: If you're still here, try: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/ocr.html |
| 10:12.35 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah, yeah. URL? |
| 10:12.35 | deadcat | karsten: its like finding waldo here. |
| 10:12.49 | deadcat | url for what? |
| 10:12.54 | cepheus | karsten, Is there a decent OCR package for linux? |
| 10:13.05 | karsten | deadcat: You need the hot-babe-mouse-extensions package ;-) |
| 10:13.11 | karsten | deadcat: Screenshot? |
| 10:13.17 | deadcat | http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/xwd_20041228_28898.png |
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| 10:13.24 | karsten | cepheus: Not sure, but linuxmafia's KB is pretty damned good. |
| 10:13.31 | raid5 | anyone here use aMule? |
| 10:13.37 | TheJay | Is it possible to use SSL encryption on proftpd? |
| 10:13.38 | Phated | There's mouse extensions for hot-babe now? |
| 10:13.46 | deadcat | karsten: ya. need that hot-babe thing. cus i KNOW where shes at hahah |
| 10:13.52 | deadcat | Phated: i wish |
| 10:13.53 | [GABRI] | any people use dansguardian? |
| 10:14.00 | Phated | deadcat: HAHA |
| 10:14.00 | karsten | laust: Hrm. That page isn't as useful as I'd hoped. |
| 10:14.47 | deadcat | Phated: you have to use the root-tail from woody (= |
| 10:14.56 | Phated | deadcat: Bother. :) |
| 10:14.57 | laust | karsten, indeed.. i've been googling a lot about ocr but couldn't find anything wonderful.. |
| 10:15.15 | deadcat | Phated: else the geo are all fucked up... i think its a bug in sarge and sid. |
| 10:15.26 | laust | karsten, ocr is still an open field for developers :-/ |
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| 10:15.29 | karsten | laust: As I said before: I think it's a case of pay-up or go Windows. |
| 10:15.33 | Phated | deadcat: Ahh, screw it, I'll play with root-tail sometime. :) |
| 10:15.39 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:15.43 | karsten | laust: It's a nontrivial problem. |
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| 10:15.59 | deadcat | Phated: just get torsmo from sid and my .torsmorc and edit it |
| 10:16.11 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, all right. :) |
| 10:16.12 | karsten | laust: Though when I was trying to do the stuff myself, I ended up finding the Windows stuff broke as well, and went back to my source for electronic stuff. |
| 10:16.22 | karsten | laust: ...which *did* work, and I could use to parse to running code. |
| 10:16.24 | laust | karsten, right. do you think a system of differential equations could solve it? |
| 10:16.38 | karsten | Phated: ...stop playing with your tail.... |
| 10:16.45 | karsten | laust: NFC. OOMD. |
| 10:16.52 | Phated | I don't got one, unlike you funny Y-chromosomers. |
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| 10:17.19 | deadcat | Phated: dont think thats the tail (= |
| 10:17.38 | Phated | Hahaha. :) |
| 10:17.47 | karsten | Phated: ...well, there's tails, and tails. |
| 10:17.56 | Phated | And tails, yes, we know. |
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| 10:18.06 | Phated | deadcat: 'ey, you selling books? |
| 10:18.23 | deadcat | Phated: ya. books, hardwares, ... |
| 10:18.25 | raid5 | deadcat, how do you do that windows without deco thingy? |
| 10:18.30 | Phated | deadcat: Schweet. |
| 10:18.40 | deadcat | raid5: deco thingy? |
| 10:19.02 | karsten | deadcat: Purty eye candy. |
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| 10:19.18 | deadcat | karsten: thanks lad (= |
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| 10:19.25 | Phated | deadcat: Whatcha asking for Bart's Guide to Life and does it include shipping? |
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| 10:19.48 | zakame | hi all |
| 10:19.48 | deadcat | Phated: locals only. sorry. (= |
| 10:19.58 | raid5 | deadcat, how do you run a terminal without window decorations |
| 10:20.01 | deadcat | i dont know/do shippings |
| 10:20.02 | Phated | deadcat: Bah to you. :) |
| 10:20.09 | deadcat | raid5: oh. devilspie |
| 10:20.12 | Phated | FedEx it! :) |
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| 10:20.25 | deadcat | Phated: dont know how. thats why i shop craigslist (= |
| 10:20.28 | raid5 | deadcat, devilspie? |
| 10:20.36 | asuffield | who the hell uses fedex? |
| 10:20.37 | deadcat | raid5: ya. apt-get it |
| 10:20.37 | Phated | deadcat: In OB, you can just right-click on the titlebar and click "Decorate". |
| 10:20.43 | karsten | Anyone here read chinese? |
| 10:20.52 | deadcat | Phated: i cant do taht everytime. |
| 10:20.58 | Phated | karsten: Kind of, why? |
| 10:21.00 | raid5 | deadcat, ta |
| 10:21.00 | deadcat | karsten: very little. |
| 10:21.03 | Phated | deadcat: True. |
| 10:21.04 | [GABRI] | any people use dansguardian? |
| 10:21.29 | deadcat | Phated: ya. thats the bad thing about ob3. also the damn dock is lame. i have to sleep the applets |
| 10:21.31 | karsten | Phated: Mail from PRC I can't read, regarding a site I maintain, from someone spamming it with links. |
| 10:21.36 | karsten | Phated: Mind if I forward it? |
| 10:21.50 | karsten | [GABRI]: Yes. |
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| 10:21.54 | karsten | Phated: /msg me your email? |
| 10:22.02 | Phated | karsten: Ehhhh... I'm on my way out, but I'll read it tonight. |
| 10:22.08 | deadcat | dont have to /msg. just tyhpe it in the channel (= |
| 10:22.13 | Phated | Ha. |
| 10:22.16 | karsten | Phated: No rush, I'm jsut curious about it. |
| 10:22.22 | karsten | !shoot deadcat |
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| 10:22.49 | Phated | karsten: Ah, right. I don't do chinese characters on this though. :| Send it to deadcat. :) |
| 10:23.08 | karsten | deadcat: You've been nominated. |
| 10:23.10 | peterS | that, or put up a screenshot of it |
| 10:23.14 | karsten | Phated: Thanks. |
| 10:23.16 | deadcat | karsten: what i do? |
| 10:23.21 | Phated | Yeha, screenshot would work too. |
| 10:23.25 | bizkit | deadcat: your desks are pretty cool. but i would never give so much sys-resources for a nice design, that's my oppinion ;) |
| 10:23.27 | zakame | blist |
| 10:23.28 | raid5 | deadcat, how do you grab slashdot news onto your desktop? |
| 10:23.30 | scarynetworkguy | Go go gadget deadcat |
| 10:23.33 | Phated | PRC uses funky traditional characters though. |
| 10:23.33 | karsten | peterS: It doesn't render, it's screen noise. |
| 10:23.38 | raid5 | deadcat, root-tail yer? |
| 10:23.43 | peterS | karsten: ah, you don't have the fonts installed either (: heh |
| 10:23.54 | Phated | bizkit: You see his wmbubblefishmon? He's uses barely 40% of CPU and barely 25% RAM... |
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| 10:24.13 | karsten | peterS: Possibly. Mutt, console. |
| 10:24.24 | karsten | peterS: There's no encoding though that I can tell.... |
| 10:24.25 | Phated | Ah, mutt. That'd be where I got it anyway. :) |
| 10:24.31 | peterS | karsten: ah yes |
| 10:24.50 | deadcat | bizkit: its not that bad. i have 1.5gig ram (= |
| 10:24.57 | peterS | Phated: now now, I happen to *know* you have a webmail address |
| 10:24.59 | deadcat | raid5: i ahve a rss-grep script |
| 10:25.02 | Phated | deadcat: Damn bastard. |
| 10:25.12 | [GABRI] | mm karsten i have been installed my squid and i installed dansgurdian too i configured /etc/dansguardian/dansgudian,.com but dansgudian doesn't correct |
| 10:25.14 | Phated | peterS: Yeah, but mutt and imap. So much simpler. :) |
| 10:25.26 | Phated | I do hate checking webmail. |
| 10:25.38 | deadcat | raid5: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=rss-grep and http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=hack&ID=ROOT-TAIL use root-tail from woody |
| 10:25.52 | asuffield | nobody with a unix box has any excuse for not having a real mail system |
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| 10:26.12 | karsten | peterS: What fonts would I need? |
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| 10:26.21 | karsten | [GABRI]: Parse error, try again. |
| 10:26.35 | peterS | karsten: well, the trick is to get your message into something that'll do non-8-bit fonts at all |
| 10:26.38 | [GABRI] | mm karsten i don't see any error in /var/log/ |
| 10:26.43 | deadcat | [GABRI]: you might want to ditch [ ] from your nickname |
| 10:26.46 | peterS | karsten: saving to a file and then pulling that file up in a graphical web browser might work |
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| 10:27.02 | [GABRI] | but if i see webs by the port 3128 my squid see me all webs |
| 10:27.18 | [GABRI] | in conclusion the problem is about dansguardian |
| 10:27.30 | peterS | karsten: though you'd probably also have to pull down the View / Encodings menu or whatever it's called in your favorite browser, to force it to know the file is Big5 or GB2312 or UTF-8 |
| 10:28.04 | peterS | karsten: beyond that ... I don't know what fonts are available for Chinese encodings - and you can wield 'apt-cache search' as well as I can |
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| 10:28.29 | karsten | peterS: You win! |
| 10:28.40 | peterS | !win me |
| 10:28.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, peters! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 10:29.09 | [GABRI] | mm karsten can i we do? |
| 10:29.21 | karsten | OK: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/twikispam.png |
| 10:29.24 | deadcat | oh damn. cant believe i accidently moved some pics to the gallery. luckily no one saw it. (= damn gtkam |
| 10:29.26 | karsten | ...give that a few. |
| 10:29.53 | karsten | [GABRI]: Are you sure you're accessing dansguardian? Its access logs should show all traffic. |
| 10:30.02 | deadcat | karsten: 56k? you ask rick for the account? |
| 10:30.07 | karsten | deadcat: Which pics ;-) |
| 10:30.14 | karsten | deadcat: ?? |
| 10:30.30 | deadcat | karsten: i took it off my gallery already. account at linuxmafia |
| 10:30.32 | karsten | deadcat: He offered it. And he's got more than 56K ;-) |
| 10:30.35 | [GABRI] | m karsten in my access.log they aren't anything |
| 10:30.50 | raid5 | deadcat, you are legend mate :) |
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| 10:31.08 | deadcat | raid5: put down the weed dude (= |
| 10:31.10 | karsten | [GABRI]: Sounds as if you don't have your client(s) configured to access dansguardian. Please describe your configuration, try to be *really* clear. |
| 10:31.38 | karsten | [GABRI]: ...and don't put anything in front of my name in your reply, it won't highlight in my IRC client. |
| 10:31.44 | [GABRI] | ok |
| 10:31.47 | [GABRI] | sorry |
| 10:31.55 | zakame | hi all! anybody knows how to set up packet writing in 2.6.10? |
| 10:32.17 | deadcat | [GABRI]: and people like me wont help because we are too lazy to type [ |
| 10:32.20 | raid5 | how do i play WM9 files in linux? |
| 10:32.36 | deadcat | whats wm9? |
| 10:32.43 | [GABRI] | my squid are in the port 3128 and dansguardin in the port 8080,when mi clients see webs by the 3128 all is correct but if the clients see webs by the 8080 can't see the pages |
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| 10:33.12 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 10:33.34 | karsten | [GABRI]: OK. Is dansguardian running? 'ps aux | grep [d]ansg' should show something. |
| 10:33.47 | karsten | [GABRI]: ...and are you forwarding from squid => dansguardian? |
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| 10:33.59 | raid5 | windows media 9 i suppose |
| 10:34.01 | raid5 | its a format |
| 10:34.02 | grivell | !tell raid5 about marillat |
| 10:34.07 | karsten | raid5: mplayer. |
| 10:34.16 | raid5 | cheers |
| 10:34.23 | deadcat | cheers mate |
| 10:34.23 | karsten | grivell: marillat's down. |
| 10:34.30 | karsten | grivell: Just heard today, it's moved somewhere... |
| 10:34.52 | grivell | karsten: ahh I have PPC anyway, so no use to me :) |
| 10:35.15 | karsten | grivell: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 10:35.23 | karsten | raid5: Try: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 10:35.30 | deadcat | grivell: i have mplayer on my ibook |
| 10:35.35 | [GABRI] | dansgua 5397 3.0 30.9 21128 19544 ? Ss 12:36 0:00 dansguardian |
| 10:35.35 | [GABRI] | dansgua 5398 0.0 30.9 21132 19544 ? S 12:36 0:00 dansguardian |
| 10:35.35 | [GABRI] | dansgua 5399 0.0 30.9 22108 19548 ? S 12:36 0:00 dansguardian |
| 10:35.45 | grivell | deadcat: I use Kaffeine (xine front end) |
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| 10:36.04 | karsten | mplayer |
| 10:36.05 | [GABRI] | in my squid.conf y changed one acl about permission about localhost |
| 10:36.05 | raid5 | karsten, trying.. ta |
| 10:36.07 | karsten | !mplayer |
| 10:36.07 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available; /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:36.11 | deadcat | grivell: i use both. because sometimes ONLY 1 works. (= liek those damn .bin files |
| 10:36.12 | karsten | dpkg forget mplayer |
| 10:36.12 | dpkg | i forgot mplayer, karsten |
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| 10:36.40 | grivell | karsten: Forget mplayer?? |
| 10:37.09 | karsten | dpkg mplayer is not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available. mairillat website is DOWN. See: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (maybe) |
| 10:37.09 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 10:37.20 | karsten | grivell: No, I'm updating the bot. |
| 10:37.28 | grivell | karsten: ahh k. |
| 10:37.34 | grivell | dpkg, me |
| 10:37.34 | karsten | grivell: That's how the bot knows things. |
| 10:37.34 | dpkg | [grivell] probably even worse than jetstreamer, or a very nice drone |
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| 10:37.59 | karsten | Any Chinese speakers, please tell me what http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/twikispam.png says? |
| 10:38.04 | grivell | dpkg, mplayer is at blah |
| 10:38.04 | dpkg | ...but mplayer is already something else... |
| 10:38.09 | grivell | !mplayer |
| 10:38.09 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available. mairillat website is DOWN. See: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (maybe) |
| 10:38.15 | [GABRI] | what i need change in squid.conf for forward dansguardian'? |
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| 10:38.36 | karsten | [GABRI]: You can specify a forwarding port. |
| 10:38.41 | gggzzz | I have a new mp3 player (rimax usbeat303) and hotplug installled. What device (/dev/*) should I specify in fstab? |
| 10:38.43 | grivell | karsten: doh, I thought you asked HOW the bot knows thing haha |
| 10:38.47 | deadcat | karsten: the last 2 is thank you |
| 10:39.01 | karsten | [GABRI]: though IIRC you probably want to go dansguardian => squid rather than squid => dansguardian. |
| 10:39.05 | karsten | grivell: :-) |
| 10:39.12 | karsten | deadcat: Ah. |
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| 10:39.25 | karsten | deadcat: That's all it ever says. |
| 10:39.28 | [GABRI] | acl Safe_ports port 8080 ? |
| 10:39.39 | deadcat | karsten: i assume the first 3 is just thank you related i guess |
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| 10:39.49 | deadcat | karsten: HAHAHA. |
| 10:39.56 | karsten | [GABRI]: How about you read the dansguardian docs rather than have me try to remember for you. |
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| 10:40.20 | karsten | deadcat: Damned asshat keeps spamming hundreds of URLs to my TWIki. |
| 10:40.33 | karsten | deadcat: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/SiteSpamming |
| 10:40.38 | grivell | deadcat: Getting MacMini for parents. Shipping the x86 it replaces to my uncle. Finally, Apple has something I can waste money on :) |
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| 10:41.10 | deadcat | grivell: man. i wish i can get one.. i aint paying for it though. WISHLIST (= |
| 10:41.59 | karsten | deadcat: thank $deity for local caching DNS servers and scripted lookups. |
| 10:42.21 | karsten | deadcat: ...takes me a minute or so to revert changes and track his source IP and the IPs of webservers spammed. |
| 10:42.25 | grivell | That may be the last Apple that makes any sense to put Linux on :( Because it has Radeon 9200 which has 3D drivers. |
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| 10:42.40 | deadcat | karsten: damn. |
| 10:43.17 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah. I'm trying to get the site admin to block POSTs from the CIDR range. |
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| 10:43.24 | deadcat | grivell: can ati driver from xfree86 do xinerama? |
| 10:43.36 | karsten | peterS: What fonts would I need to get chinese to render in terminals? |
| 10:43.45 | raid5 | deadcat, whats the default shell u use? |
| 10:43.46 | grivell | deadcat: Not sure, I don't have multi-monitors. |
| 10:43.49 | deadcat | karsten: do they just spam you? |
| 10:43.55 | deadcat | raid5: bas |
| 10:43.56 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah. |
| 10:43.57 | deadcat | bash |
| 10:44.00 | peterS | karsten: I think the main hangup in terminals is to find a term program that likes those types of fonts |
| 10:44.00 | deadcat | karsten: the f |
| 10:44.01 | raid5 | roger |
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| 10:44.19 | peterS | karsten: ask joshk about it (: I think he uses rxvt-ml |
| 10:44.28 | karsten | deadcat: *really* common. |
| 10:44.35 | karsten | deadcat: ...and a major hassle for blogs. |
| 10:44.43 | deadcat | ya |
| 10:44.54 | karsten | deadcat: Neat thing about TWiki is that it points you to the most recently changed pages, and you can revert easily (if admin). |
| 10:45.05 | karsten | peterS: Ah. That could be it. |
| 10:45.33 | deadcat | karsten: well. some assholes used to delete howto pages from acx100.sf.net |
| 10:46.05 | karsten | deadcat: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Trash/WebChanges |
| 10:46.37 | karsten | deadcat: ...that's the pages I've nuked of late (users). |
| 10:46.41 | karsten | deadcat: ...the pages they changed had the same URLs pasted in. |
| 10:46.47 | raid5 | deadcat, im trying to browse your site..it keep telling me perm denied :( |
| 10:47.01 | deadcat | raid5: you need to register |
| 10:47.57 | deadcat | karsten: maybe just some lame bastards. |
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| 10:48.26 | karsten | deadcat: Seems to be _one_ lame bastard. |
| 10:48.26 | karsten | deadcat: ...same IP block origin, pretty consistent as to servers spammed. |
| 10:48.43 | raid5 | deadcat, i registered ..waiting for mail now ;) |
| 10:48.53 | deadcat | raid5: you ahve to wait 10 min (= |
| 10:49.01 | deadcat | to login. not the email |
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| 10:50.16 | deadcat | karsten: wiki can be a problem, especially luser think they are "hacking" your site by modifying shits... damn fucks |
| 10:50.19 | nz17 | Is there a debian-specific command for controlling which daemons are run at start-up? |
| 10:50.31 | deadcat | nz17: update-rc.d |
| 10:50.39 | nz17 | deadcat: Thanks. |
| 10:50.48 | paulswm | karsten: interesting site, I'll bookmark it and return later |
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| 10:52.25 | karsten | deadcat: As I've said: It's *really* easy to revert. We've had a few attacks. Few have lasted more than a few hours. |
| 10:52.29 | karsten | paulswm: Thanks. |
| 10:52.48 | karsten | paulswm: ...the stuff *outside* the Trash web is more interesting ;-) |
| 10:52.57 | paulswm | karsten: not as a spammer, I hasten to add... |
| 10:53.01 | bob2 | I'm not sure if I should feel dirty or god-like when I firewall annoying mail servers |
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| 10:53.31 | deadcat | dirty |
| 10:53.55 | karsten | paulswm: Good. |
| 10:53.56 | paulswm | karsten: I went to the welcome page after looking at the spamming page |
| 10:54.23 | karsten | paulswm: *that* page is a tad busy, I've been meaning to fix it for a little while. |
| 10:54.28 | karsten | paulswm: ...four years, IIRC. |
| 10:54.35 | karsten | bob2: dirty-godlike? |
| 10:54.56 | karsten | bob2: Don't firewall them. |
| 10:55.04 | karsten | bob2: ...port-forward their traffic to one-another. |
| 10:55.08 | karsten | Hrm.... |
| 10:55.10 | paulswm | karsten: yeah, well I've been writing data compressors for 10 years, nearly finished one |
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| 10:56.33 | Piru | more pictures from Titan: http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMC8Q71Y3E_0.html audio during the descent and from the surface: http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEM85Q71Y3E_0.html cool stuff :) |
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| 10:57.27 | paulswm | Piru: thanks |
| 10:57.43 | deadcat | Piru: what we found? havent been newsing lately |
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| 10:57.52 | karsten | Piru: I've come to the conclusion that there is a large proliferation of boulder-strewn plains in the Universe. |
| 10:58.11 | Piru | deadcat, they have tons and tons of data, it will take weeks to figure it all out.. but it looks really good |
| 10:58.13 | paulswm | if I had a matter transporter, I'd like never leave the house I think |
| 10:58.18 | bob2 | karsten: hahaha |
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| 11:00.10 | Piru | there's a press conference going on at nasatv http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/ ... various scientist showing their preliminary data.. hmm now they have q session it seems |
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| 11:02.12 | Piru | karsten, indeed. the funny part was that some comments about the boulder pics actually accidently talked about *mars*. :) I guess small brainfart due to similarity of the scenery |
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| 11:03.14 | raid5 | deadcat, what do you use the kvm switch for? |
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| 11:03.33 | karsten | Piru: heh. |
| 11:03.59 | karsten | Piru: Now, if Huygens stumbles across Opportunity or Spirit, we'll have to tell Nasa to buy a larger soundstage. |
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| 11:04.29 | deadcat | raid5: rarely (= |
| 11:04.47 | deadcat | raid5: i have another box under the desk. |
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| 11:06.19 | raid5 | windows ? |
| 11:06.31 | Piru | karsten :D |
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| 11:06.58 | deadcat | raid5: now it is. used to be a linux test machine. now i have a windows machine for grabit. i just got usenet to download movies. (= |
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| 11:07.33 | raid5 | deadcat, usenet? you mean overnet? |
| 11:07.47 | deadcat | raid5: dont know. news.dslextreme.com |
| 11:07.50 | deadcat | newgroup |
| 11:07.52 | deadcat | (= |
| 11:07.58 | cafuego | raid5: No, the really shit pr0n (literally) is still on usenet. |
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| 11:08.42 | deadcat | cafuego: theres porn on newsgroup? like full length movies? not those fucking 1.3min clips. (= |
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| 11:10.10 | karsten | deadcat: fucking 1.3 minute or 1.3 minute fucking/ |
| 11:10.15 | EmleyMoor | I have just installed the latest gnokii from source, but I'm getting a GLib-ERROR **: could not allocate 1073742156 bytes when I try to run xgnokii. gnokii itself works though? |
| 11:10.16 | karsten | deadcat: s,/,?, |
| 11:10.29 | deadcat | karsten: they swing both ways (= |
| 11:10.50 | raid5 | deadcat, where do you get an account from/ |
| 11:10.55 | karsten | EmleyMoor: That's an awful lot of bytes. Why does it need 1GB RAM? |
| 11:10.59 | deadcat | raid5: my ISP |
| 11:11.08 | raid5 | jah |
| 11:11.10 | EmleyMoor | Pass. |
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| 11:11.41 | karsten | EmleyMoor: ?? |
| 11:12.04 | EmleyMoor | I pass as to why it's so greedy! I presume "in error". |
| 11:12.14 | raid5 | where do they store xcursors? |
| 11:12.32 | deadcat | /usr/share/themes/ |
| 11:12.34 | karsten | pipeline: Reading on Sidenet. Gotta love that Japanese Engrish: Blazilian Portuguese translation by Hudson Figueredo |
| 11:12.44 | deadcat | raid5: apt-cache search cursor |
| 11:13.17 | EmleyMoor | My alternative is gnocky, but it can't find gtk+-2.0 on my system... any specific package I should install? Possible in woody? |
| 11:13.38 | deadcat | EmleyMoor: woody uses 1 |
| 11:13.52 | EmleyMoor | Oh heck! |
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| 11:13.57 | cafuego | deadcat: Wouldn't know ;-) |
| 11:14.03 | vaq | Hello how do i set password on my shared dirs in samba? |
| 11:14.13 | gahan | does dovecot support mysql ? |
| 11:14.19 | cafuego | gahan: yes |
| 11:14.23 | gahan | thanks |
| 11:14.42 | cafuego | !info dovecot-mysql |
| 11:14.43 | EmleyMoor | They say on #gnokii that my problem with xgnokii is "probably some glib/gtk bug |
| 11:14.45 | deadcat | cafuego: i was there (=... when i say debian sucks. these pkgs are fucking old haha |
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| 11:14.52 | cafuego | pfff |
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| 11:15.25 | deadcat | vaq: smbpasswd? |
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| 11:15.42 | justdust | hello every1 |
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| 11:16.08 | vaq | deadcat: iknow but dont i need to set something in the smb.conf so i uses passwords? |
| 11:16.09 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
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| 11:16.39 | deadcat | vaq: dont know. i just smbpasswd -a userid and thats it. |
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| 11:17.26 | deadcat | heres what we should do here, if some jerk joins and say hello or something. we be quiet and confuse the dude (= |
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| 11:17.47 | horrovac | Hello (or something) |
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| 11:18.05 | deadcat | horrovac: you have to quit and come back |
| 11:18.06 | test339 | hi how do i strip the "^M" from a dos text file opened in debian? |
| 11:18.27 | raid5 | what key is keycode 108? |
| 11:18.31 | horrovac | Nay, I'm too lazy... |
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| 11:18.39 | deadcat | test339: use vi or sed |
| 11:18.40 | usn | good morning |
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| 11:18.57 | test339 | deadcat whats the spefic comamnd |
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| 11:19.06 | test339 | i dont want to do it manually:)] |
| 11:19.18 | test339 | sed s/^M/// ?? |
| 11:19.19 | deadcat | test339: in vi :1,$ s/^M$// |
| 11:19.30 | test339 | k |
| 11:19.31 | test339 | ty |
| 11:20.01 | deadcat | test339: in .vimrc i have command! NODOS 1,$ s/<C-M>//g |
| 11:20.03 | karsten | test339: dos2unix |
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| 11:20.13 | horrovac | Is there a way to make absolutely sure apt won't touch my lilo, say, after apt-get upgrade? |
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| 11:20.31 | aurora | horrovac, not if it installs a kernel |
| 11:20.32 | deadcat | horrovac: press no when it ask |
| 11:20.45 | horrovac | That is, to make sure it won't install a kernel either. |
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| 11:21.21 | karsten | horrovac: It wont. Period. By policy. |
| 11:21.31 | horrovac | I'm not sure I'll always be the one doing the upgrade, so I'm not sure the person doing it won't miss it... |
| 11:21.37 | karsten | horrovac: ...it may *ask* you if it can. But if it touches it, you can file a critical bug. |
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| 11:22.05 | deadcat | horrovac: as long as you are not using the kernel-image-2.X you are ok. |
| 11:22.06 | karsten | horrovac: You can set the question level for updates. Ask someone else how though ;-) |
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| 11:23.23 | horrovac | deadcat: We are using the kernel-image-blah. And recently I had to rescue the server because it was rendered unbootable by an apt-get upgrade... |
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| 11:23.34 | aurora | lilo is a pain |
| 11:23.42 | aurora | horrovac, if you dont mind the work i would install grub :-\ |
| 11:24.06 | aurora | i had the same problem |
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| 11:24.30 | horrovac | aurora: Grub doesn't work on this machine. HP Compaq proliant with Compaq smart array RAID controller... |
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| 11:24.39 | deadcat | horrovac: kernel-image-2.blah is the one that when you do upgrade it WILL upgrade to the latest 2.blah, if you specify kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 or something, then it wont upgrade the kernel |
| 11:25.01 | deadcat | horrovac: or you can always hold the pkg (= |
| 11:25.03 | aurora | horrovac, oh |
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| 11:25.38 | neenee | bbl. |
| 11:25.41 | deadcat | horrovac: echo pkgname hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 11:25.51 | deadcat | neenee: you were never here. |
| 11:26.00 | neenee | i was. |
| 11:26.01 | neenee | cya |
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| 11:27.14 | horrovac | deadcat: Thanks, that was what I had in mind... |
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| 11:28.21 | BACbKA | after a routine upgrade of a sarge/2.6.8-1-686 box on Jan 11, which involved a lot of X packages moving 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 -> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10, my machine (with the KDM cfged as the default) stopped recognizing the keyboard events normally. Workaround: use mouse for "console login", wait for time out, next time KDM restarts X, all works well. Before KDM starts X for the 1st time, keyboard seems normal as well. |
| 11:28.32 | BACbKA | What package to report the bug against? |
| 11:28.59 | Humanoid | How do I enable the pc speaker after installer sarge? I don't have any beeps for anything, not even the "beep" command. |
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| 11:29.18 | BACbKA | Or should I go the hard way (snapshot restore to pre-jan-11, then add them back 1-by-1)? |
| 11:29.43 | deadcat | Humanoid: make sure its plugged |
| 11:29.43 | horrovac | Ok, another one: the reason apt-get upgrade has ruined the server was that it installed a new kernel image (overwriting the old one apparently), then tried to run lilo and failed, because it tried to install it to /dev/hda (which on this machine is the CD-Rom drive).. |
| 11:29.49 | caphuso | Humanoid: 2.6 kernel? try "modprobe pcspkr" |
| 11:30.13 | raid5 | deadcat, what do you use to burn cds? |
| 11:30.24 | deadcat | raid5: cdrecord and gcombust |
| 11:30.51 | Humanoid | caphuso: Yup, "modprobe pcspkr" worked! Thanks! |
| 11:31.10 | horrovac | ...the /etc/lilo.conf specifies the right drive to install lilo to, and apg *does* ask whether to use the existing lilo.conf,and I do say "yes", but there's something else in there doing the wrong thing... |
| 11:31.13 | caphuso | Humanoid: you probably want to 'echo pcspkr >> /etc/modules' to |
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| 11:31.19 | caphuso | s/$/o/ |
| 11:31.41 | horrovac | ..so how can I find that out? I guess there's something breaking the existing lilo.conf in the debian package, but I don't know where to look... |
| 11:32.03 | Humanoid | caphuso: Yeah |
| 11:32.18 | deadcat | caphuso: i guess they finally decided that the beep is too annoying? (= |
| 11:32.24 | cafuego | ^G |
| 11:32.47 | deadcat | xset b off |
| 11:32.47 | cafuego | deadcat: Well, my pc has no pc speaker |
| 11:34.14 | deadcat | cafuego: you have a Mac desktop? |
| 11:34.22 | deadcat | wirht airport? |
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| 11:34.32 | Humanoid | deadcat: The only time it's annoying is when the computer boots, cause I don't know how to disable that beep. Every other time, like in linux, I can disable it with configuration. |
| 11:34.48 | aurora | Humanoid, you can disable PC speaker in BIOS |
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| 11:35.12 | Humanoid | aurora: Maybe in yours, I couldn't find anything in my bios to disable that beep at boottime. |
| 11:35.22 | aurora | :-\ |
| 11:35.29 | aurora | you can just disable the speaker its self |
| 11:35.31 | aurora | lol |
| 11:35.38 | aurora | cut off the hand to get the hangnail |
| 11:35.43 | deadcat | setterm -blength 0, xset b off |
| 11:35.58 | horrovac | You may use the "hardware-based pc-speaker control feature".... |
| 11:36.02 | BACbKA | deadcat: very helpful at boottime :) |
| 11:36.09 | deadcat | (= |
| 11:36.10 | Humanoid | aurora: Yeah, I thought about it... but I like to get notifications in linux when I'm watching tv, and some long process is done. |
| 11:36.20 | aurora | ah |
| 11:36.57 | BACbKA | folks, are questions on what package to file a bug against more on topic here or at -devel? |
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| 11:37.18 | karsten | BACbKA: Shoot. |
| 11:37.30 | karsten | BACbKA: ...there's a fair bit of overlap. |
| 11:37.46 | BACbKA | karsten: ok, I'll re-paste myself... |
| 11:37.52 | BACbKA | after a routine upgrade of a sarge/2.6.8-1-686 box on Jan 11, which involved a lot of X packages moving 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 -> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10, my machine (with the KDM cfged as the default) stopped recognizing the keyboard events normally. Workaround: use mouse for "console login", wait for time out, next time KDM restarts X, all works well. Before KDM starts X for the 1st time, keyboard seems normal as well. |
| 11:38.23 | karsten | BACbKA: What were you thinking of filing that against? |
| 11:38.44 | BACbKA | x-window-system-core :) |
| 11:38.51 | karsten | BACbKA: ...what I'd do is find out what *minimal* set of software replicates the problem. |
| 11:39.11 | karsten | BACbKA: Hrm. Sure. That sounds moderately complex. But the package maintainer might be able to sort it out. |
| 11:39.36 | BACbKA | karsten: I'm feeling a bit guilty myself now because I can't point to the correct pkg myself |
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| 11:40.10 | BACbKA | karsten: but I have been sick for several days now and a lot of urgent matters have accumulated |
| 11:40.28 | BACbKA | karsten: so I figured I'd rather file the bug with whatever info I have |
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| 11:40.30 | bizkit | is there a way to get the size of a harddrive when i got the C/H/S values? |
| 11:40.48 | BACbKA | karsten: so you think x-window-system-core sounds a decent guess? |
| 11:41.12 | aurora | no |
| 11:41.17 | aurora | its just x-window-system |
| 11:41.43 | maxxle | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.57 | BACbKA | aurora: I disagree. x-window-system wasn't touched in the upgrade, -core wasx./ |
| 11:42.34 | BACbKA | anybody cares to go to #flood to see the relevant /var/log/aptitude excerpt? |
| 11:44.42 | karsten | BACbKA: Make your best shot at it. If you can find out whether the problem depends on KDM or not, this could be helpful. Try a fresh boot *without* automatic X start. Launch a minimal X from console. Test mouse. If it works, try w/ KDE, etc. Try to identify the point at which the problem manifests itself. |
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| 11:45.05 | karsten | BACbKA: ...file a bug on that package w/ relevant background. The maintainer may hear of other problems, or reassign. |
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| 11:46.47 | BACbKA | karsten: thanks for your advice. I'll try. If it takes too much time, I'll file what I can and return to it later if needed. |
| 11:47.19 | karsten | BACbKA: Right. |
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| 11:48.43 | skunk | Microsoft NTLM Authentication works well with PDC's ? |
| 11:48.49 | skunk | does anyone know ? |
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| 11:49.04 | _eugenesan_ | hi all, i there any TOC of perl modules in Debian? |
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| 11:49.33 | karsten | Anyone here every read A.C. Clarke's _Imperial Earth_? |
| 11:49.35 | skunk | sorry... trying to configure squid with NTLM, but need to know if PDC support this method ? |
| 11:50.18 | pepsi_ | can I somehow check what package that provides a specific file? |
| 11:51.11 | cblack | _eugenesan_: not that i know of. but apt-cache search lib | grep perl pulls up a vast majority of them. |
| 11:52.03 | _eugenesan_ | cblack: i can't find DB_File :-( any ideas? |
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| 11:53.04 | vaq | Does bittornado need any open ports before it can work? |
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| 11:53.15 | resiak | _eugenesan_: I think that it's included in the main Perl package. |
| 11:53.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell pepsi_ about pdo |
| 11:53.31 | bob2 | vaq: 'open ports' are not the issue |
| 11:53.34 | dondelelcaro | pepsi_: also, /msg dpkg search |
| 11:53.46 | bob2 | vaq: you can generally download off bittorrent faster if people can connect to you, yes |
| 11:54.00 | karsten | pipeline: I'm watching an MSIE install dialog on my WMaker desktop. |
| 11:54.04 | Fridon | http://www.icefighter.com/index.php?teamNr=92623 |
| 11:54.33 | vaq | bob2: okay, so which ports do i need to open so ppl can dl from me? |
| 11:54.51 | bob2 | vaq: it's not about opening ports unless you have an already broken firewall |
| 11:54.53 | resiak | _eugenesan_: Yes, it's in the base perl package. |
| 11:55.08 | bob2 | vaq: the manpage shows the option you use to set what incoming port it uses |
| 11:55.33 | karsten | pipeline: Looks freakin' weird. |
| 11:55.46 | _eugenesan_ | <resiak> 10x! |
| 11:55.50 | vaq | bob2: im using iptables its block everything unless i open the ports.. |
| 11:55.55 | resiak | !10x |
| 11:55.55 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
| 11:56.00 | resiak | ;)P |
| 11:56.00 | bob2 | vaq: why? |
| 11:56.27 | resiak | _eugenesan_: In future, use locate DB_File to find out if the file is installed, then dpkg -S filename to find out which package it's in. |
| 11:56.35 | sussudio | bob2: don't remember vaq? |
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| 11:56.56 | vaq | bob2: there arrent any man pages for bittornado |
| 11:57.15 | dnb | $var=func; and there is func(); i need to run func() with using $var .. how can i do ? |
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| 11:57.43 | _eugenesan_ | <resiak> Ok. It was helpful. |
| 11:57.44 | resiak | dnb: What language are you talking about? |
| 11:57.49 | dnb | oh |
| 11:57.51 | resiak | _eugenesan_: No problem. |
| 11:57.52 | dnb | wrong channel |
| 11:57.53 | dnb | php :) |
| 11:58.00 | resiak | !phpsmite dnb |
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| 11:58.03 | resiak | Aww. |
| 11:58.16 | bob2 | vaq: yes it does |
| 11:58.25 | bob2 | vaq: man btdownloadcurses.bittornado |
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| 11:58.44 | vaq | bob2: minimum port to listen on, counts up if unavailable (defaults to 10000) / maximum port to listen on (defaults to 60000) ----- Does that means i need to open a port range from 0 to 60000 |
| 11:58.48 | zulkifar | Hi, how to specify remote filesystem encoding for Midnight Commander's FTP client? |
| 11:58.53 | polok | where does apt-get install the php4 apache mod? |
| 11:58.56 | P-A | someone that can help me get chroot working dont understand shit :/ |
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| 11:59.58 | resiak | polok: I think that the command you're looking for is a2enmod . |
| 12:00.19 | bob2 | polok: dpkg -L php4 | grep apache |
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| 12:00.27 | bob2 | vaq: no |
| 12:00.32 | bob2 | it means you need to open one more or ports |
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| 12:00.39 | grivell | !tell P-A about chroot |
| 12:00.47 | pepsi_ | I use sarge/testing and can't find the image viewer 'xv' program among the packages. Is it me, or isn't it there? is there any alternative? |
| 12:00.51 | vaq | bob2: but whichs? |
| 12:00.57 | bob2 | vaq: whatever you want |
| 12:01.29 | resiak | !xv |
| 12:01.29 | dpkg | from memory, xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed). get the .deb from slink if you want it, or ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 12:01.39 | vaq | bob2: then lets say 10000 and 60000... should i tell bittornado to use thoose ports? |
| 12:01.44 | vaq | bob2: ore will it do that by default? |
| 12:02.01 | bob2 | ? |
| 12:02.04 | P-A | grivell: was'nt chroot that you can lock users in their home dir and that it looks like its / ??? |
| 12:02.09 | bob2 | you tell it to use whatever ports you want |
| 12:02.14 | bob2 | read the manpage |
| 12:02.37 | aurora | !emerge |
| 12:02.37 | dpkg | i heard emerge is gentoo's package tool |
| 12:02.45 | aurora | !Xorg |
| 12:02.45 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 12:02.51 | resiak | aurora: /msg dpkg factoid. |
| 12:02.57 | bob2 | aurora: enough |
| 12:03.03 | sussudio | bob2: he's not going to read the manpage. he's vaq_webby52_fucktard_extraordinaire |
| 12:03.11 | vaq | bob2: so --maxport 1000 --minport 1001 - then it will use between 1000 and 1001 ? |
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| 12:03.40 | bob2 | vaq: yes |
| 12:03.45 | vaq | bob2: thanks alot. |
| 12:03.59 | raghu | hi i am using debian linux i am not getting mksmbpasswd.sh .....is there any other way to create samba passwd file??? |
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| 12:04.29 | bob2 | raghu: did you install it? |
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| 12:04.41 | raghu | bob2: yes |
| 12:04.55 | karsten | raghu: Install samba. To create passwords: smbpasswd <username> |
| 12:04.57 | bob2 | raghu: you installed it but it doesn't exist? |
| 12:05.05 | vaq | bob2: hmm then it says: 01/15/05 13:15:42 - FAILURE: Couldn't listen - maxport less than minport - no ports to check |
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| 12:05.08 | raghu | bob2: yes |
| 12:05.08 | laust | does anyone know why mplayer is not in debian packages? |
| 12:05.12 | vaq | ah ups |
| 12:05.12 | vaq | sry |
| 12:05.20 | zamolxes | laust: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 12:05.21 | raghu | karsten:thx |
| 12:05.21 | deadcat | laust: non free |
| 12:05.30 | bob2 | laust: because the authors suck too much |
| 12:05.34 | laust | ah, i didn't know |
| 12:05.40 | bob2 | there are unofficial packages as mentioned by that factoid |
| 12:05.43 | vaq | bob2: i switched them.. but a new problem: 01/15/05 13:16:09 - FAILURE: Couldn't listen - (13, 'Permission denied') - Does this means i need to run the program as root? |
| 12:06.06 | bob2 | vaq: on any unix system, users cannot bind ports below 1024 |
| 12:06.09 | raghu | karsten: that user must be exist in samba server? |
| 12:06.10 | bob2 | pick higher ones |
| 12:06.18 | zulkifar | Anybody knows how to specify remote filesystem encoding for Midnight Commander's FTP client? |
| 12:06.19 | karsten | raghu: I'm not sure if there's a bulk-account adding facility. You *can't* clone a users' password from /etc/passwd. |
| 12:06.23 | nksen | hi there. is there a pendant to grip under kde? |
| 12:06.42 | raghu | karsten: that user must be exist in samba server? |
| 12:06.47 | karsten | raghu: 'smbpasswd' can create a Samba account. |
| 12:06.51 | karsten | raghu: Patience. |
| 12:07.05 | laust | deadcat, bob2 : i was looking for it because it has a plugin for mozilla for audio and video |
| 12:07.09 | raghu | karsten: ok cool |
| 12:07.14 | karsten | raghu: Why don't you describe what you're trying to do? How many users? Do you want to add them one at a time or many in bulk? |
| 12:07.19 | helloyo | when i get a segmentation fault, how do i fix it without restarting the computer (which fixes it), its with firefox only |
| 12:07.28 | karsten | raghu: Strongly suggest you read the Samba docs. |
| 12:07.28 | raghu | karsten: i will explain |
| 12:07.29 | vaq | bob2: i set it up to 60000 lets see if it works.. |
| 12:08.00 | resiak | laust: We all know what it does... |
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| 12:08.22 | karsten | helloyo: A segmentation fault is only that one application. No need to restart. |
| 12:08.33 | bob2 | vaq: er, you missed what I said then |
| 12:08.38 | karsten | helloyo: A sig11 is usually bad news and causes a panic. |
| 12:08.42 | bob2 | laust: yeah, that's in the same archive mplayer is |
| 12:08.53 | bob2 | helloyo: run debsums and memtest86 |
| 12:08.59 | raghu | karsten: I have linux box running samba server..i have windows client.. i have some shares in server(linux)....i want one particular user from windows should acess that with password enabled...is it ok |
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| 12:09.45 | karsten | raghu: if the user has a Linux account, they automatically have a Samba share. |
| 12:09.47 | grivell | !tell laust about marillat |
| 12:09.47 | laust | i've found mozilla-plugin-vlc, gonna try it |
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| 12:10.07 | karsten | raghu: If you're running a webserver on Linux, are *on* the linux box now, and have 'samba-doc' installed, browse to: http://localhost/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/Samba-Guide/index.html |
| 12:10.11 | karsten | raghu: Read that. |
| 12:10.22 | karsten | !marillat |
| 12:10.22 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 12:10.32 | zihado | !zhcon |
| 12:10.45 | karsten | grivell: Just checking, that looks right. |
| 12:10.46 | raghu | karsten: th dude |
| 12:10.50 | vaq | bob2: doesnt look like it working.. i opened the ports both udp and tcp only uploading with 2kbs |
| 12:10.51 | raghu | karsten: thx dude |
| 12:10.56 | karsten | raghu: NP. |
| 12:11.32 | bob2 | vaq: ok |
| 12:11.41 | vaq | bob2: hmm? |
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| 12:11.57 | skunk | do people know if iptables / ipchains can be used on an dialup interaface ? |
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| 12:12.20 | bob2 | of course |
| 12:12.25 | bob2 | but don't use ipchains |
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| 12:12.45 | skunk | so I can easily use ipchains and build a squid box and have dialup connection |
| 12:12.54 | bob2 | iptables, yes |
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| 12:13.02 | skunk | sorry iptables :) |
| 12:13.05 | zihado | !dselect |
| 12:13.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 12:13.09 | skunk | thanks bob2 |
| 12:13.29 | laust | it seems to work |
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| 12:15.16 | grivell | !aptitude |
| 12:15.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
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| 12:21.47 | mvhurja | hi |
| 12:21.48 | zulkifar | Any Midnight Commander users here? :) |
| 12:22.06 | bazan | hello I need help to package a manpage in the pakage I'm doing. |
| 12:22.09 | mvhurja | whitch iso packets i need to install debian ? |
| 12:22.41 | bazan | mvhurja: what iso package do you have available? |
| 12:22.45 | gabagandal1 | mvhurja: do you have a fast internet connection? |
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| 12:23.04 | mvhurja | yes |
| 12:23.06 | mvhurja | 8 mb |
| 12:23.11 | mvhurja | i found this ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian-cdimage/ |
| 12:23.23 | mvhurja | whitch from there |
| 12:23.44 | sussudio | !tell mvhurja about enter |
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| 12:23.48 | bazan | Are you using a PC? |
| 12:23.52 | sussudio | !tell mvhurja about netinstall |
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| 12:23.54 | gabagandal1 | you want the netinstall |
| 12:23.54 | bazan | or a MAC? |
| 12:23.59 | mvhurja | i want make istallation cds |
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| 12:24.37 | mvhurja | no no net install :D |
| 12:24.54 | My_SX1_My_Precio | hello everyone, i'm using debian sarge with VHCS free control panel, the server has multiple address so i added the addresses to /etc/network/interfaces, but the second nameserver is not working properly check http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=6163.net what could be the problem?? VHCS or debian configurations? |
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| 12:25.43 | bazan | ok, so get this one : ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian-cdimage/images/current/i386/debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 12:25.59 | mvhurja | only that ? |
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| 12:26.18 | bazan | yes it is enought |
| 12:26.24 | mvhurja | allright.. |
| 12:26.28 | bazan | then you will upgade it from the net |
| 12:26.29 | mvhurja | is in debian apt.get ? |
| 12:26.45 | bazan | yes |
| 12:27.03 | Koffa | why not nonus while at it? |
| 12:27.03 | bazan | apt-get is the standard package manager for debian |
| 12:27.16 | mvhurja | yeah cool :) |
| 12:27.18 | bazan | I don't know |
| 12:27.29 | Koffa | or does that normal binary-1 nowadays have ssh and other mandatory stuff in it? |
| 12:27.45 | ledet | bazan: actually it's not |
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| 12:27.59 | ledet | bazan: dpkg is the standard package manager for debian |
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| 12:28.05 | bazan | ledet: what are you talking about? |
| 12:28.07 | PEACEYAL | i am gonna donwload debian but i dont know which cd i should get, there is 7 which one am i supposed to get to do an installation |
| 12:28.08 | PEACEYAL | ? |
| 12:28.13 | ledet | bazan: apt is just a package handling utility |
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| 12:28.24 | My_SX1_My_Precio | @everyone did you read the above question please? thanks in advance guys |
| 12:28.34 | bazan | ledet: Ok, but for end user better not talking of dpkg |
| 12:28.59 | ledet | bazan: no, the end-user has to understand the difference between apt and dpkg |
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| 12:29.12 | mvhurja | wow comming good speed from funet :) |
| 12:29.16 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 12:29.16 | mvhurja | 500 kt/s |
| 12:29.21 | karsten | PEACEYAL: The usual suggestion is you *don't* d/l CDs, but do a net installation, if you have high-speed net where you're going to be doing the install. |
| 12:29.37 | daaku | i havent made a debian package in a while, but i remember using deb-make. i installed debmake, but there's no binary called deb-make anymore! anyone know if its been renamed or something? |
| 12:29.45 | Koffa | mvhurja: something wrong there... sunet gives full speed :) |
| 12:29.45 | PEACEYAL | what do u mean do a net install |
| 12:29.45 | karsten | PEACEYAL: The first CD is sufficient for a basic installation. Once you've got your system up, you can install further SW off the Net. |
| 12:29.47 | bazan | ledet: yes I agree, but can you tell me what is the difference between handle and manage in my sentence? |
| 12:29.54 | PEACEYAL | oh ok |
| 12:29.56 | PEACEYAL | so i just get cd 1 |
| 12:30.06 | mvhurja | :) |
| 12:30.11 | PEACEYAL | and tehn update with the apt-get |
| 12:30.18 | ledet | bazan: yes. dpkg installs the package. apt is "just" a wrapper that handles the dependencies for you |
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| 12:30.20 | karsten | !tell PEACEYAL about enter |
| 12:30.26 | karsten | !tell PEACEYAL about netinst |
| 12:30.30 | mvhurja | this is ok speed :) |
| 12:30.42 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Actually, a netinst runs from less than 1 full Cd. |
| 12:30.54 | My_SX1_My_Precio | ?? |
| 12:30.57 | aurora | !DRI |
| 12:30.57 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri |
| 12:31.00 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 12:31.02 | bazan | ledet: this I know and that was the meaning of my firs sentence but I thik we should'nt talk to much about it this is a troll |
| 12:31.34 | ledet | bazan: i just want to make sure that everything is clear... |
| 12:31.42 | ledet | bazan: and that people dont get wrong information |
| 12:31.57 | PEACEYAL | ok so i just shgould get cd 1 now and its install teh basic install or is there another thing am supposed to get liek it will ask in teh installation ( put in cd 2 or something ) ? |
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| 12:32.32 | ledet | PEACEYAL: no, you should get the sarge-installer |
| 12:32.35 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 12:32.41 | karsten | PEACEYAL: netinst is actually a different installer. |
| 12:32.46 | mvhurja | whitch is better distro fedora or debian ? |
| 12:32.52 | PEACEYAL | [debian] |
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| 12:33.16 | ledet | mvhurja: you should install windows |
| 12:33.20 | PEACEYAL | lol |
| 12:33.20 | bazan | ledet: ok, you're right it is important to get the right infos |
| 12:33.29 | mvhurja | hehe :) |
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| 12:33.34 | ledet | bazan: but yes... youre right... this seems to be just a troll |
| 12:33.35 | wael | hello everyone, i'm using debian sarge with VHCS free control panel, the server has multiple address so i added the addresses to /etc/network/interfaces, but the second nameserver is not working properly check http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=6163.net what could be the problem?? VHCS or debian configurations? |
| 12:33.43 | mvhurja | ledet:why |
| 12:33.48 | cyberyo | iop |
| 12:33.53 | gypsymauro | there is the author of synaptic here? |
| 12:34.02 | ledet | mvhurja: because you abviosly have no idea what youre talking about |
| 12:34.03 | thomas_adam | gypsymauro: There is no one author. |
| 12:34.13 | gypsymauro | uhm I'm searching micheal:) |
| 12:34.34 | ledet | mvhurja: questions like "is fedora better than debian" are silly... especially when you ask in #debian... |
| 12:34.44 | thomas_adam | gypsymauro: Furthermore, what preposition did you come up with that makes you think he'd be here? |
| 12:34.44 | gabagandal1 | mvhurja: better? different! |
| 12:34.48 | karsten | gypsymauro: That would be Alfredo. Not sure. |
| 12:35.00 | bazan | ledet: Do you know how to package a man page? |
| 12:35.06 | mvhurja | what defferences it have.. ? |
| 12:35.14 | bazan | I failed to do so with my program |
| 12:35.17 | karsten | thomas_adam: Two primary authors per copyright file. |
| 12:35.26 | mvhurja | why im asking this is biacause i have use only fedora before.. |
| 12:35.35 | gypsymauro | thomas_adam: 'cause I saw him 1 week ago but now his nick (vog) has been taken by another use |
| 12:35.41 | thomas_adam | karsten: Yes. That's why I said no _one_ author had written it. |
| 12:35.48 | gypsymauro | user |
| 12:35.48 | ledet | mvhurja: then try out debian and you'll find out what differences there are |
| 12:35.56 | thomas_adam | gypsymauro: Such a pity. |
| 12:36.04 | mvhurja | yeah that i will do :) |
| 12:36.15 | wael | ohhhhh :'( is my question that hard to reply??? |
| 12:36.16 | ledet | bazan: depends on what you want to know |
| 12:36.18 | karsten | thomas_adam: Well, for large values of one, or small values of two, it's a good approximation ;-) |
| 12:36.30 | gypsymauro | thomas_adam: ... |
| 12:36.30 | thomas_adam | Pffft. ;) |
| 12:36.42 | ledet | wael: no, your question is just weird... what the heck is VHCS? |
| 12:36.53 | bazan | ledet: I've already te man file written, but I eed to know where should I put it in the source package |
| 12:36.54 | thomas_adam | gypsymauro: E-mail him. You can ask him a question on my behalf, if you like. |
| 12:37.02 | gabagandal1 | mvhurja: puh, try google? searchwords debian fedora ... debian is completly free distro |
| 12:37.05 | ledet | wael: are you installing debian on a vcr and do you mean vhs? :P |
| 12:37.10 | bazan | under the debian directory or neare the root path |
| 12:37.11 | wael | ledet VHCS is Virtual Hosting Control Panel it |
| 12:37.15 | karsten | thomas_adam: "What is the flight speed of an unladen swallow?"? |
| 12:37.28 | thomas_adam | karsten: Heh. Nah... |
| 12:37.36 | ledet | wael: contact your software provider and tell them about your problems... this is #debian, not #vhcs |
| 12:37.38 | gypsymauro | thomas_adam: I need to talk to him, not just emailing....tanx anyway |
| 12:37.56 | karsten | thomas_adam: *Nih!* damnit. |
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| 12:38.11 | thomas_adam | I just wanted to know why he has to implement different ways of handling packages from within synaptic -- that thing has never worked for me when installing packages. So in a sense, it's the same as aptitude. |
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| 12:38.14 | wael | ledet i know but the problem is not in VHCS but, i'm having some problems adding alias ips |
| 12:38.14 | karsten | gypsymauro: You might want to email him and set up a talk date. |
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| 12:38.42 | karsten | thomas_adam: A few fries short of a Happy Meal.... |
| 12:38.53 | thomas_adam | karsten: Oh yes. And then some. |
| 12:39.01 | wael | ledet the main ip is 72.X.X.202 and 3 aliases 72.X.X.203~- |
| 12:39.11 | ledet | bazan: you may find something about that at http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ |
| 12:39.16 | karsten | thomas_adam: you play with WINE at all? |
| 12:39.28 | karsten | thomas_adam: ...I've just discovered Sidenet, and I'm boggling. |
| 12:39.29 | thomas_adam | karsten: Don't swear at me. :P |
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| 12:39.46 | ledet | wael: running an interface with several ip's may give you routing problems |
| 12:39.49 | karsten | thomas_adam: Heh. |
| 12:39.56 | wael | ledet i added them using ifcoing and in /etc/network/interfaces so now they are responding to ping but not to BIND |
| 12:40.04 | karsten | ledet: Not unless you screw up your routes and gateway. |
| 12:40.39 | ledet | karsten: which was why i wrote "may" :) |
| 12:40.50 | bazan | ledet: thanks |
| 12:40.52 | wael | ledet & karsten i carefully edit them including net-mask, gateway and dns-nameservers |
| 12:41.04 | karsten | ledet: Point. And in my case, it certainly has .... |
| 12:41.16 | ledet | wael: post you interfaces file something online and give us a link to it |
| 12:41.25 | wael | ok |
| 12:41.34 | karsten | wael: You'll find you only want *one* gateway entry per network. If you have multiple interfaces defined on a net, only one gets a gateway. |
| 12:41.45 | ledet | wael: and you shouldnt be running your primary and secondary dns on the same machine |
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| 12:42.39 | wael | ledet: i'm not the owner of the server neither the network i work for a support company and that's the way they delivered me the server with servel ips not ready in interfaces |
| 12:42.56 | ibob | hello how do I switch between lanuages, when in gnome english->greek etc? |
| 12:42.57 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: hi |
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| 12:44.01 | PEACEYAL | hi |
| 12:44.18 | wael | ledet: http://www.siemens-mobiles.org/interfaces for the new one, and http://www.siemens-mobiles.org/interfaces_back for the original file |
| 12:44.19 | zumbi | hello, i get an error upgrading (cause by libc6), why is it ? WARNING: Your kernel version indicates a revision number of 255 or greater. Glibc has a number of built in assumptions that this revision number is less than 255. If you've built your own kernel, please make sure that any custom version numbers are appended to the upstream kernel number with a dash or some other delimiter. |
| 12:44.19 | PEACEYAL | gah |
| 12:44.27 | PEACEYAL | ill jusget thsi sarge installer |
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| 12:44.37 | bob2 | zumbi: what does 'uname -r' print out? |
| 12:44.55 | zumbi | 2.6.9131204 |
| 12:45.09 | bob2 | good work |
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| 12:45.18 | bob2 | rebuild your kernel |
| 12:45.18 | ledet | wael: did you read what karsten wrote? |
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| 12:45.49 | PEACEYAL | gah |
| 12:45.54 | RichiH | heh |
| 12:45.57 | zumbi | should i add a dash between 9 and 1 ? 2.6.9-131204 ? |
| 12:46.01 | RichiH | zumbi: nice one :) |
| 12:46.14 | ledet | zumbi: yes |
| 12:46.14 | bob2 | yes |
| 12:46.22 | zumbi | ook |
| 12:46.23 | RichiH | zumbi: i would suggest doing 041213 |
| 12:46.31 | bob2 | no |
| 12:46.31 | wael | ledet: which msg this one " wael: You'll find you only want *one* gateway entry per network. If you have multiple interfaces defined on a net, only one gets a gateway."? |
| 12:46.36 | bob2 | RichiH: that doesn't help |
| 12:46.50 | PEACEYAL | gah i give up |
| 12:46.58 | PEACEYAL | shoudl i get teh sarge installer |
| 12:47.03 | ledet | wael: exactly |
| 12:47.06 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: yes |
| 12:47.06 | RichiH | bob2: with a dash in front, of course.. |
| 12:47.12 | PEACEYAL | ok |
| 12:47.12 | bob2 | ah, right |
| 12:47.14 | PEACEYAL | ill get it |
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| 12:47.28 | aurora | !DLI |
| 12:47.29 | RichiH | bob2: but yes, he might misunderstand that |
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| 12:47.32 | aurora | !DRI |
| 12:47.32 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri |
| 12:47.35 | wael | ledet: yet but i don't know what he means :$ do i remove gateway from alias ips? |
| 12:47.49 | wael | ledet yet = yea* :D |
| 12:48.07 | ledet | wael: yes, thats a start |
| 12:48.26 | wael | ledet: and? any other suggestions? |
| 12:48.29 | nokia6000 | anyone know what major reasons why scsi hard drives did not replace the tranditional IDE drives? |
| 12:48.29 | karsten | ledet: You also don't need to repeat nameservers on the aliased IPs (eg: eth0:1) since eth0 must already be up. But shouldn't hurt anything. |
| 12:48.42 | PEACEYAL | ::/// |
| 12:48.44 | karsten | wael: Yes, comment gateways in aliases. |
| 12:48.48 | PEACEYAL | sarge has 15 iso's which do i get? |
| 12:48.48 | ledet | karsten: correct... tell that to wael :) |
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| 12:48.56 | karsten | wael: Do that, ifdown/ifup, and see if it works. |
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| 12:49.03 | karsten | ledet: Heh. |
| 12:49.05 | pepsi_ | I'm having a hard time getting the usual fonts work in firefox (and probably other programs too). Is there any reccomended package for this? |
| 12:49.14 | bob2 | nokia6000: price I'd assume |
| 12:49.16 | karsten | wael: You also don't need to repeat nameservers on the aliased IPs (eg: eth0:1) since eth0 must already be up. But shouldn't hurt anything. |
| 12:49.29 | karsten | pepsi_: msttcorefonts and some others. |
| 12:49.36 | pepsi_ | karsten: sweeeet |
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| 12:50.49 | wael | karsten: i will comment them also thanks ledet & karsten you are a nice guys here :D one question before i go testing, to add /etc/init.d/vhcs_daemon start on Linux boot which command to do coz i need to run each time after reboot |
| 12:50.54 | karsten | pepsi_: Here's my fonts (and a few additional regexp matches): fontconfig gsfonts gsfonts-x11 latex-xft-fonts libfont-afm-perl libfontconfig1 msttcorefonts psfontmgr ttf-freefont x-ttcidfont-conf xfonts-100dpi xfonts-100dpi-transcoded xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-dosemu xfonts-gimpers xfonts-konsole xfonts-mplus xfonts-pex xfonts-scalable |
| 12:51.12 | karsten | wael: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 12:51.20 | pepsi_ | karsten: thank you! that will be _very_ helpful |
| 12:51.36 | wael | karsten : ifdown /ifup returned /ifup not configured and thanks for the trick :D |
| 12:51.50 | karsten | pepsi_: NP. I've got most of that managed under defoma, which should automajickally be there, but don't ask me how it's installed. bob2's got the docs on that. |
| 12:52.14 | ledet | karsten: my hero! |
| 12:52.14 | karsten | wael: That was "ifdown" your interfaces. Then "ifup" them. Two seperate commands. Run for all interfaces. |
| 12:52.18 | nokia6000 | bob2, you think SATA drive will suffer the same fate? |
| 12:52.26 | karsten | wael: 'ifdown -a' _may_ work. RTFM. |
| 12:52.31 | bob2 | nokia6000: don't know enough about them |
| 12:52.33 | zumbi | bob2, how could i resolve this inconvenience.. The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9131204, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-050115 make: *** [stamp-debian] Error 1 |
| 12:52.33 | pepsi_ | karsten: thx! |
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| 12:52.35 | karsten | ledet: Save it for when it works. |
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| 12:52.43 | ledet | karsten: lol |
| 12:52.45 | bob2 | zumbi: make-kpkg clean |
| 12:52.48 | karsten | ledet: Doh. Too many names. |
| 12:52.56 | ledet | karsten: i havent asked you anything yet |
| 12:52.58 | wael | karsten: thank you again |
| 12:52.59 | ledet | ;( |
| 12:53.28 | karsten | ledet: Yeah, I'm segfaulting here. Wetware upgrade needed. |
| 12:53.30 | wael | and to you ledet |
| 12:53.32 | karsten | wael: NP. |
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| 12:53.39 | nokia6000 | bob2, it looks promising, but the power source is not the same (4 hole connector) as IDE drive. |
| 12:53.47 | b00 | hey, how can I check why do i get a couple of ipchecksum errors every second ? this counter doesnt stop running |
| 12:53.55 | ledet | wael: any time :) |
| 12:53.57 | bob2 | bad hardware? |
| 12:54.03 | wael | :d |
| 12:54.10 | zumbi | thanks !! this is compiling ! :-P |
| 12:54.39 | ledet | b00: sniff your network |
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| 12:55.01 | ledet | b00: and send some test data |
| 12:55.04 | b00 | ledet: tcpdump or something ? |
| 12:55.14 | ledet | b00: yes, for instance |
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| 12:55.50 | zumbi | b00: ethereal is more visual |
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| 12:56.44 | b00 | zumbi: ok |
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| 12:57.56 | b00 | urgh, not looking forward to it. this is the ippp0 interface, for the isdn connection |
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| 12:58.06 | gerard | hello, can anyone know how to put terminal to 1024x786 resolution (for default is 800x600, but i have an lcd screen) |
| 12:58.34 | ledet | gerard: using grub or lilo? |
| 12:58.44 | gerard | ledet: lilo |
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| 12:59.08 | ledet | gerard: check out the lilo documentation... theres a section describing your exact problem |
| 12:59.17 | gerard | ok |
| 13:00.29 | gerard | ledet: is the vga yes? |
| 13:00.36 | ledet | gerard: try |
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| 13:00.50 | ledet | gerard: and dont forget to run lilo after making changes to your configuration |
| 13:01.04 | gerard | ok |
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| 13:02.21 | PhUrl | hi all, what is the german debian channel? |
| 13:02.37 | idnar | !german |
| 13:02.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 13:02.46 | gabagandal1 | das ist #debian.de |
| 13:02.59 | PhUrl | i am looking for help with setxkbmap, i can set the lang to de, but cannot type an umlauT1 |
| 13:03.10 | PhUrl | thanks gabagandal1, idnar |
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| 13:03.53 | gerard | ledet: have you got terminal with 1024x768 resolution? |
| 13:03.53 | gabagandal1 | phurl: kein problem, auf www.debian.org gibts auch ne man /howto dazu |
| 13:04.01 | PhUrl | danke |
| 13:04.25 | ledet | gerard: yes, but i dont have your problem |
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| 13:04.33 | gerard | ledet: what do you have on lilo? |
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| 13:05.08 | gerard | i have: vga=791 |
| 13:05.14 | gerard | thanks for all ;) |
| 13:05.16 | gerard | bye |
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| 13:07.47 | PhUrl | setxkbmap -v 10 -rules xfree86 -model pc105 -layout "de,us" -variant "nodeadkeys" -option grp:alt_shift_toggle -option lv3:switch |
| 13:08.02 | PhUrl | this is what i have, i can switch between keyboard layouts |
| 13:08.19 | PhUrl | but cannot enter in any umalusts in the german layout |
| 13:08.37 | PhUrl | do i need to specifiy symbols or something? |
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| 13:12.22 | abrotman | !tell wael about away |
| 13:13.17 | PhUrl | the umlauts dont work in gnome terminal but in xchat |
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| 13:13.27 | wael | sorry guys going out sorry... :D |
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| 13:15.48 | PhUrl | thanks all |
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| 13:21.02 | mrex | anybody know where I can look at some output that acpi (kacpid) makes - its clashing with yenta_socket (cpu goes to 100%) |
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| 13:22.12 | mcmehl | i have somthing like "(WW) No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:0) found" in my xfree logfile and so cant start 2. adaptor |
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| 13:24.14 | raid5 | in torsmoc can you set the transparency to lighter? |
| 13:24.16 | zumbi | when i use apt-setup it adds testing sources to my sources.list, but if i want unstable where do i setup that ? |
| 13:24.36 | M_M | Hi! Can anyone think of any media players made for Gnome that have a 'media library' feature? I thought I had installed one a few months ago, but I can't remember what it was. |
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| 13:25.59 | BACbKA | karsten: submitted, it's dbug 290625 |
| 13:26.19 | karsten | BACbKA: Cool. |
| 13:26.27 | mrex | zumbi: go edit /etc/apt/sources.list - it will say deb http://.... testing ... somewhere. Change that to unstable or take it out. |
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| 13:27.01 | zumbi | mrex, i know but if i want apt-setup to do it automatically ? |
| 13:27.12 | nokia6000 | firewire came out before usb2.0 right? |
| 13:27.33 | BACbKA | karsten: thanks for your encouragement :) I was a bit lazy to go ahead |
| 13:27.36 | mrex | zumbi: sorry, I don't use apt-setup. can't help there. |
| 13:28.00 | zumbi | mrex, neither do i, but i was curious |
| 13:28.00 | karsten | BACbKA: NP. Don't feel too special about filing bugs in the BTS. |
| 13:28.08 | karsten | BACbKA: ...spammers do it all the time ;-) |
| 13:28.20 | BACbKA | karsten: :))) |
| 13:28.55 | BACbKA | karsten: does it go like this "Can you please test our penis upgrade?" |
| 13:29.02 | karsten | BACbKA: Fortunately, the filters seem to be getting better. It's actually quite a problem. |
| 13:29.23 | karsten | BACbKA: Well, there's a lot of traffic in debian-devel, if you really want to check. |
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| 13:29.31 | abrotman | well .. i was gonna tell M_M |
| 13:30.19 | mrex | anybody know of a channel that is related to acpi issues (other than #kernel)? |
| 13:30.47 | abrotman | ##linux ? |
| 13:31.08 | BACbKA | karsten: when I said I was lazy I meant submitting a comprehensive enough report that wouldn't obviously be useless w/o more info |
| 13:31.09 | abrotman | zumbi: if you have to ask ... you shouldn't |
| 13:31.20 | mrex | abrotman: thanks - will try |
| 13:31.29 | karsten | BACbKA: Right. Info helps. |
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| 13:31.48 | abrotman | oh crap .. abauer has returned! |
| 13:31.56 | dnb | hey help immediately please :( |
| 13:32.05 | DerJamster | dnb: state the Problem |
| 13:32.06 | dnb | nobody 3504 0.0 0.0 1472 292 ? S 04:33 0:00 ./65500 |
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| 13:32.15 | dnb | how can i find real user of this process ? |
| 13:32.23 | DerJamster | the user is called 'nobody' |
| 13:32.27 | DerJamster | It is an actual user. |
| 13:32.30 | dnb | it's running via php or apache but i need find real username |
| 13:32.33 | SDFH_Linux | does kernel 2.6.10 work with nvidia driver yet? |
| 13:32.39 | BACbKA | SDFH_Linux: running it |
| 13:32.44 | BACbKA | SDFH_Linux: belay that |
| 13:32.46 | abrotman | dnb: nobody is the real username .. in debian .. apache runs as nobody |
| 13:32.47 | caphuso | dnb: the real username is "nobody" |
| 13:32.48 | BACbKA | SDFH_Linux: ignore me |
| 13:32.57 | paulswm | dnb: the real user is 'nobody' |
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| 13:32.59 | SDFH_Linux | so its not working yet with nvidia driver |
| 13:33.00 | BACbKA | SDFH_Linux: it's 2.6.8 here |
| 13:33.01 | dnb | so can't i find who is running that ? |
| 13:33.07 | abrotman | dnb: apache is ... |
| 13:33.08 | DerJamster | dnb: Read what I wrote.. |
| 13:33.12 | paulswm | geez |
| 13:33.12 | dnb | ahh |
| 13:33.19 | abrotman | dnb: but it's still not right |
| 13:33.31 | karsten | abrotman: No, www-data |
| 13:33.40 | dnb | i need to find which webhost is running this process |
| 13:33.42 | DerJamster | Some other daemons use 'nobody' |
| 13:33.44 | abrotman | dnb: i can't think of a single program that would be dumb enough to name itself 65500 |
| 13:33.45 | BACbKA | bye folk |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | karsten: sorry .. you're right |
| 13:34.01 | abrotman | dnb: apache runs as www-data .. not nobody |
| 13:34.07 | Guerin | dnb: updatedb && locate 65500 |
| 13:34.08 | DerJamster | abrotman: I can think of some... ;P |
| 13:34.09 | abrotman | dnb: find that script on your system |
| 13:34.15 | ericb_ | anyone ca help.. I got a problem mounting a nfs file system; I do mount -t nfs 192.168.0.100:/export/www /mnt/sparc/; and mount complains about RPC and program not being registered |
| 13:34.21 | sanxiyn | zumbi: Hm, interesting. |
| 13:34.23 | karsten | abrotman: RH used 'nobody'. Debian uses daemon-specific UIDs generally. |
| 13:34.30 | sanxiyn | zumbi: I read apt-setup source to figure out. |
| 13:34.37 | Guerin | ericb_: do the troubleshooting section of the nfs howto on tldp |
| 13:34.40 | SDFH_Linux | so no one is using 2.6.10 with nvidia driver yet? |
| 13:34.45 | abrotman | karsten: yeah .. i have both at work .. and i was just migrating off a RH web server |
| 13:34.47 | ericb_ | the nfs server looks promptly configured, on the client portmap seems setted up |
| 13:34.49 | karsten | ericb_: Um. You need to install and start the RPC service. |
| 13:34.54 | Guerin | ericb_: short answer: makesure your nfs servces are running correctly. |
| 13:34.58 | karsten | ericb_: Is portmapper installed? |
| 13:35.02 | ericb_ | yup |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | dnb: where is that script? |
| 13:35.05 | sanxiyn | zumbi: If you set debconf priority to low, you can see the dialog asking for stable/testing/unstable. |
| 13:35.14 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone know how to make the firestarter firewall startup all the time automatically |
| 13:35.18 | karsten | !comfort abrotman |
| 13:35.19 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:35.25 | dnb | abrotman, it's updating db now |
| 13:35.27 | abrotman | karsten: only a listserv left :) |
| 13:35.31 | Guerin | sanxiyn: you're in Daejeon, right? |
| 13:35.39 | ericb_ | Geurin : nfs server looks correctly configured according to people in #solaris (the nfs server runs solaris) so it's a client problem |
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| 13:35.41 | sanxiyn | Guerin: No, I'm home, Uijeongbu |
| 13:35.44 | valdyn | SDFH_Linux: www.nvnews.net has 2 patches with you both apply to the nvidia source coming with nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:35.45 | ericb_ | client using debian.... |
| 13:35.48 | abrotman | english people :) |
| 13:35.51 | karsten | abrotman: Cool. One small mistakes, *thousands* of unhappy campers ;-) |
| 13:35.59 | Guerin | sanxiyn: oh, daejeon is where you's at university, or something? |
| 13:36.01 | SDFH_Linux | ok valdyn |
| 13:36.03 | SDFH_Linux | thanks |
| 13:36.18 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Daejeon, where my university (and dormitory) is. |
| 13:36.22 | karsten | abrotman: FWIW, I'm running an MSIE 6 install ATM. On Debian ;-) |
| 13:36.26 | sanxiyn | zumbi: It is byproduct of apt-setup using Debconf to ask its questions. |
| 13:36.27 | Guerin | sanxiyn: Ever been to Nonsan? |
| 13:36.33 | sanxiyn | Guerin: No. |
| 13:36.33 | abrotman | karsten: well .. the worst thing is that it is a RH7.3 running postfix/mailman .. somehow .. i bet there have been security issues since RH abandoned 7.3 |
| 13:36.42 | DerJamster | karsten: Web designer/developer? :) |
| 13:36.44 | Guerin | sanxiyn: I'm likely to be working there from March. |
| 13:36.58 | karsten | DerJamster: Doing some freelance work, yeah. |
| 13:37.07 | vaq | Any good netlimiters for linux ? |
| 13:37.11 | karsten | DerJamster: Compatibility testing. |
| 13:37.13 | abrotman | !trickle |
| 13:37.20 | abrotman | vaq: trickle |
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| 13:37.23 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Nonsan is known for its recruit training center. |
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| 13:37.34 | Guerin | sanxiyn: yeah, and strawberries. |
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| 13:38.06 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know how to make firestarter start up automatically during startup |
| 13:38.18 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: man update-rc.d |
| 13:38.26 | bryndza | Hi, Can somebody give me a hint how to chroot anonymous user in a proftpd server on a IP basics into a another directory ? #proftpd seems to be dead ... |
| 13:38.45 | Guerin | bryndza: apt-get install proftpd-doc |
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| 13:38.49 | ericb_ | Guerin : ok found the problem.. the client don't see the nfs server thanks |
| 13:38.54 | SDFH_Linux | thanks Guerin |
| 13:39.22 | sanxiyn | Nice language, but source seems very difficult to package... |
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| 13:39.27 | karsten | sanxiyn: I'm interested in soofftoworkigo programming language. |
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| 13:39.37 | vaq | abrotman: hmm when i write trickle -d 100 -u 10 it just frints trickle --help |
| 13:39.37 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone have the same problem i have during shutdown when it wont turn off with kernel 2.6.9-smp |
| 13:39.39 | bryndza | Guerin i have proftpd-doc , i have read FAQ on www.protpd.org. doc on the site, but no solution or hint found, only maxclient connection on a ip basic |
| 13:39.41 | karsten | sanxiyn: ...or for when all else fails, brainfuck. |
| 13:39.50 | sanxiyn | karsten: Hail Brainfuck. |
| 13:40.09 | sanxiyn | fwiw, http://www.iolanguage.com/ |
| 13:40.28 | sanxiyn | paulswm: Yes, true. |
| 13:40.47 | Guerin | bryndza: ok. I'm pretty sure you just set that user's <Directory> to something, and then they're chrooted. But I don't use it anymore, and I never used ftp chroots, so I don't know exactly. |
| 13:40.56 | SDFH_Linux | something about acpi_turnoff |
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| 13:41.08 | SDFH_Linux | when i shutdown |
| 13:41.14 | SDFH_Linux | it sits there |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | vaq: i don't use it .. osrry |
| 13:42.06 | sanxiyn | This monster uses some strange makefiles (IMO, resembling nothing else), and have source for all kind of libraries (libpcre, libpng, libevent just to name a few) copied in the source archive. |
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| 13:42.22 | sanxiyn | (And no simple way to replace them with system ones.) |
| 13:42.47 | vaq | Anybody use trickle?.. When i write trickle -d 100 -u 10 it just prints the help? |
| 13:43.18 | Guerin | vaq: read the help. It tells you what you're doing wrong. |
| 13:43.34 | Guerin | vaq: that's why it printe the help - because you clearly need it. |
| 13:43.52 | bryndza | Guerin yes thats true, but i want anonymous users to be chrootet in different dirs on a IP basic.Say Users from 192.168.1.X to /ftp/LAN an users from 192.168.2.X to /ftp/LAN2 and users from all others netweord to /ftp |
| 13:44.17 | Guerin | oh, of course |
| 13:44.46 | Guerin | bryndza: sorry, I misremembered your original question; I don't know how to do that. |
| 13:44.50 | sanxiyn | Well, language with Lua-level of lightness, simple syntax, clean message-passing prototype based OO, concurrency with transparent future, lots of bindings is worth it... |
| 13:45.18 | vaq | Guerin: ohh found the error |
| 13:45.31 | bryndza | Guerin I start to think that isn`t possible, a try to look on mod_rewrite module, mayy that helps me |
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| 13:47.24 | [Loz] | Ive got a problem with debian, more of i need assistance |
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| 13:48.12 | [Loz] | can anyone help me? |
| 13:48.18 | dnb | someone is spamming and i can't stop it |
| 13:48.23 | dnb | i couldn't find it already |
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| 13:48.25 | sanxiyn | [Loz]: Go ahead. |
| 13:48.33 | dnb | /dev/shm/port/65500 <<- here |
| 13:49.31 | [Loz] | Ive got the sarge distro net install CD, and i need help getting KDE on it, ive looked through the main config menu, with apt and things, and also where do i find a list of all available packages? |
| 13:49.56 | p30n | question: i have downloaded glFPd and it contains a install.sh file, that it recomended me to use, how do i execute this and will it install everything i need automatically and to the right folders? |
| 13:50.01 | [Loz] | so i can use the apt cp,,amd |
| 13:50.14 | [Loz] | *apt command |
| 13:50.22 | Shorty- | anyone know how convert microticks to uptime? |
| 13:50.23 | bryndza | On debian linux administrator puted new kernel: 2.6.11-rc1-bk1, and from that date random proccessed are killed.Can it been caused by new kernel ? |
| 13:50.28 | karsten | [Loz]: Install aptitude or synaptic. You can browse all available packages. |
| 13:50.46 | [Loz] | How can i install it may I aks? im a complete newbie to debian. |
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| 13:51.39 | [Loz] | |I'm currently in windows |
| 13:51.43 | karsten | [Loz]: Do you have anything installed at this point? |
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| 13:52.07 | [Loz] | yes, basic debian install, but I feel i selected the wrong one. |
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| 13:52.27 | p30n | question: i have downloaded glFPd and it contains a install.sh file, that it recomended me to use, how do i execute this and will it install everything i need automatically and to the right folders? |
| 13:52.30 | [Loz] | for some reason it has a star next to the mail server install option :/ |
| 13:52.45 | karsten | [Loz]: Don't worry about that. |
| 13:52.59 | karsten | [Loz]: You at shell right now, *in* the installation, or what? |
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| 13:53.05 | karsten | [Loz]: ...and do you know what shell is? |
| 13:53.24 | sanxiyn | [Loz]: You have GUI configured? |
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| 13:53.51 | [Loz] | Yes, i know the shell and what it is, but I'm not good with it. I'm in Windows at the moment, so any advice i'll print and reboot and check |
| 13:53.52 | paulswm | p30n: it's not a debian packages, check with the developers or the home page or the docs in the package, whatever |
| 13:53.55 | karsten | sanxiyn: Probably not, let's let him answer |
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| 13:54.08 | [Loz] | no, thats the problem, I need help getting the GUI on |
| 13:54.09 | karsten | [Loz]: Are you dual-booting or do you have two systems? |
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| 13:54.14 | [Loz] | dual booting, |
| 13:54.19 | karsten | [Loz]: OK, trying to find out where you're at first. |
| 13:54.21 | [Loz] | that part is working correctly |
| 13:54.22 | karsten | [Loz]: Ugh. |
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| 13:54.33 | karsten | [Loz]: OK, for small favors. |
| 13:54.40 | karsten | sanxiyn: Feel like helping him? |
| 13:54.53 | cave | What do I need to load to get a Promisa UATA TX2 133 card to work ? |
| 13:54.54 | sanxiyn | karsten: Yes, I think. |
| 13:54.56 | [Loz] | I woulda asked under linux, but I dont know how to get a GUI to get the IRC app on |
| 13:55.02 | karsten | [Loz]: You can install any packages from commandline. Once you've got GUI, you can do more from there. |
| 13:55.16 | karsten | [Loz]: Do you have networking configured in Linux? |
| 13:55.28 | Phated | [Loz]: Install irssi-text... |
| 13:55.30 | [Loz] | Which is Xserv right? my network is all configured yes to connect to the net. DCHP :D |
| 13:55.42 | karsten | [Loz]: OK. |
| 13:55.43 | sanxiyn | [Loz]: DHCP, nice. |
| 13:55.45 | [Loz] | :D |
| 13:55.50 | karsten | Phated: Hold tight for a minute. |
| 13:55.51 | Phated | No... irssi-text is a text IRC client. |
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| 13:55.54 | karsten | [Loz]: Take some notes. |
| 13:55.58 | Phated | karsten: Eh? |
| 13:56.04 | [Loz] | 1sec, getting some paper |
| 13:56.12 | [Loz] | fire way |
| 13:56.12 | Whooper | I've just installed debian testing, but it won't boot because of IDE trouble.. I get DriveStatusError BadCRC and stuff, seems there is trouble with DMA. is there any way to boot without DMA enabled or some kind of safe-mode? |
| 13:56.17 | karsten | [Loz]: When you reboot into Linux, install the following: irssi-text w3m less screen aptitude vim |
| 13:56.23 | Phated | elinks! |
| 13:56.30 | sanxiyn | Phew. |
| 13:56.31 | [Loz] | using apt? |
| 13:56.35 | Phated | Duh. |
| 13:56.36 | karsten | Phated: Sure ;-) |
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| 13:56.46 | sanxiyn | apt-get install <package names here> |
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| 13:56.57 | karsten | [Loz]: Yes. So: apt-get update; apt-get install <list of packages> |
| 13:57.03 | Phated | Aptitude is largely unnecessary if he knows how to use apt-get. |
| 13:57.15 | karsten | [Loz]: One of those packages, aptitude, gives you console-mode access to all the others. |
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| 13:57.26 | Phated | But he knows apt-get! :) |
| 13:57.35 | [Loz] | Ok :D thanks very much, I'll be back when ive got them :D |
| 13:57.35 | SquareRt | phated: aptitude takes care of things like library deps so that if you remove applications the libraries that they depended on are removed to, iirc |
| 13:57.46 | karsten | Phated: see Joey Hess's "why you should use aptitude" article |
| 13:57.53 | karsten | !tell Phated about aptitude |
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| 13:57.58 | [Loz] | VERY noobie question, how would i run the apps, type the app name? |
| 13:58.11 | SquareRt | [loz]: assuming it's in the PATH, yes |
| 13:58.12 | sanxiyn | [Loz]: Eh, yes. |
| 13:58.12 | karsten | [Loz]: Yeah |
| 13:58.22 | karsten | [Loz]: It's sort of like DOS, but a hell of a lot better. |
| 13:58.30 | [Loz] | Yea, i can move around the shell :D |
| 13:58.33 | [Loz] | cd and that |
| 13:58.40 | SquareRt | [loz]: if you want to know what the location of something is that is in the path, do "which someprogram" (without quotes) |
| 13:58.42 | karsten | [Loz]: When you reboot, you'll get a "Login: " prompt. Type username, password. |
| 13:58.43 | Phated | SquareRt: debfoster, deborphan. *shrugs* |
| 13:58.54 | SquareRt | phated: and he knows how to use those too? ;) |
| 13:58.54 | [Loz] | Yea, im familiar with the login:P |
| 13:58.57 | kbrooks | karsten: yes and no |
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| 13:59.08 | karsten | [Loz]: Right. 'irssi' is a console IRC client. A lot of folks here use it. 'w3m' and 'elinks' are console browsers. |
| 13:59.09 | Phated | SquareRt: Let's see. You type "deborphan" or "debfoster". |
| 13:59.12 | cave | phAnyone know which of the promise pdc202 I should choose? What's the differende. Will the new support my promise 133 card ? |
| 13:59.14 | karsten | kbrooks: ?? |
| 13:59.20 | [Loz] | ok, cheers :D |
| 13:59.26 | [Loz] | I'll be back in a bit |
| 13:59.37 | karsten | [Loz]: rwiat |
| 13:59.41 | Josip | I've upgraded to GNOME 2.9.4 yesterday (added the repos, and just <sudo apt-get upgrade>). When I've rebooted the system today, the logon screen showed, successfuly logged on but I just got something black in the top corner with red dots on it or smthn, and nothing else happend |
| 13:59.47 | kbrooks | karsten: no: desktop environments |
| 13:59.47 | SquareRt | hmm... I think I'll go have some more toast now the butter's warmed up a bit |
| 13:59.56 | karsten | [Loz]: Run 'irssi irc.debian.org' when you get back up. You can join channel. |
| 13:59.57 | drac | hmm, mplayer marillat source seems f'ked up. is there another source? |
| 14:00.05 | Josip | after that I logged with the GNOME failsafe session, and 2 windows appeared |
| 14:00.09 | karsten | feh. |
| 14:00.15 | rob0 | I want to do a Sid netinstall from a running Ubuntu system, without burning a CD. Can someone point me to instructions on setting up netinst in GRUB? |
| 14:00.17 | karsten | !tell drac about mplayer |
| 14:00.23 | Josip | showing Error activating XKB configuration. |
| 14:00.23 | Josip | Probably internal X server problem |
| 14:00.34 | karsten | kbrooks: OK, I'm confused, what? |
| 14:00.34 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command to put in /etc/fstab for a usb pen drive |
| 14:00.38 | ant_o | any monit users? for some reason the one i install on a powerpc box would stop right after i try to access it on the httpd interface |
| 14:00.39 | SquareRt | mmm... mushy peas with mint |
| 14:00.45 | karsten | drac: marillat's moved. Again. |
| 14:00.54 | Josip | I'm using Error XFree 4.3.0, can anyone help ? ;) |
| 14:01.10 | SquareRt | karsten: why does marillat move so much (it used to be free.fr, no?) |
| 14:01.12 | sanxiyn | When will MPlayer move to main? |
| 14:01.25 | SquareRt | sanxiyn: shortly after hell freezes over? |
| 14:01.26 | karsten | SquareRt: Seven Year Itch? |
| 14:01.36 | SquareRt | karsten: what's that? |
| 14:01.41 | sanxiyn | (I think its complex license situation is being sorted out.) |
| 14:01.41 | kbrooks | karsten: the login: prompt *might* show, but then kdm, gdm, xdm, etc might show up |
| 14:01.43 | karsten | sanxiyn: non-free. Patent encumberance and some license conflicts IIRC. |
| 14:01.52 | karsten | SquareRt: A reason to keep moving ;-) |
| 14:01.57 | sanxiyn | karsten: License conflict I understand, Patent part I don't. |
| 14:02.01 | karsten | kbrooks: No, no X configured yet. |
| 14:02.06 | SquareRt | karsten: har har |
| 14:02.06 | karsten | kbrooks: But point. |
| 14:02.07 | sanxiyn | karsten: ffmpeg in main, for example. |
| 14:02.11 | kbrooks | ah |
| 14:02.13 | Josip | anyone has an idea how to solve this problem ? Thanks |
| 14:02.24 | rob0 | SDFH_Linux, unless you have other SCSI and other partitions on SCSI, your pen drive is probably /dev/sda1 |
| 14:02.24 | karsten | sanxiyn: mplayer supports several patented codixes. |
| 14:02.47 | sanxiyn | karsten: So does FFMPEG, if I understood correctly. |
| 14:02.59 | karsten | sanxiyn: IIRC, most of the mgeg4 stuff is unencumbered. I *really* don't track this stuff though. |
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| 14:04.01 | sanxiyn | karsten: IMO, Debian policy on patents is to avoid only "actively enforced" patents. |
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| 14:04.23 | SDFH_Linux | rob0 if i have a digital camera assigned to /dev/sda1 i assign the pen drive to sda2? |
| 14:04.26 | karsten | sanxiyn: As I said: I don't track this. See debian-legal. |
| 14:04.31 | sanxiyn | (Since... there's damn many nonsense software patents.) |
| 14:05.06 | rob0 | SDFH_Linux, sda = first SCSI disk. A second device would be ... sdb! |
| 14:05.12 | SDFH_Linux | ah |
| 14:05.18 | sanxiyn | karsten: MPEG4 I can agree with, ASF I cannot... |
| 14:05.26 | karsten | sanxiyn: Pretty much can't avoid 'em. See yesterday's O'Gara story on rewriting kernel to avoid 27 MSFT patents. There's ~200+ other patents held mostly by "friendlies" |
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| 14:05.51 | karsten | sanxiyn: <shrug> |
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| 14:06.00 | SquareRt | karsten: friendlies as in MIT, AT&T Bell Labs etc? |
| 14:06.02 | sanxiyn | karsten: FFMPEG has ASF codec. |
| 14:06.04 | SDFH_Linux | ok so /dev/sdb1 |
| 14:06.06 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 14:06.08 | SquareRt | karsten: cambridge... |
| 14:06.11 | sanxiyn | (Microsoft's Active Streaming Format, you know) |
| 14:06.19 | rob0 | karsten, are you up early or up late? :) |
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| 14:06.44 | karsten | SquareRt: IBM, Novell, Intel, Sun, Motorolla, bunch of Japanese companies. |
| 14:06.59 | karsten | rob0: I can't tell anymore. |
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| 14:08.28 | asuffield | karsten: O'Gara is an MS schill, not a journalist. most of what she writes is nonsense |
| 14:08.29 | SquareRt | karsten: I gather some places dedicate their patents, no? |
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| 14:08.45 | sanxiyn | SquareRt: IBM did. |
| 14:08.59 | SquareRt | sanxiyn: did as in the past tense? |
| 14:09.04 | SquareRt | as in no longer |
| 14:09.05 | SquareRt | ? |
| 14:09.16 | karsten | asuffield: I haven't figured her out. |
| 14:09.17 | sanxiyn | Eh, no. It did open patents to open source projects recently. |
| 14:09.32 | SquareRt | sanxiyn: that's not the same as dedicating the patents, though |
| 14:09.35 | sanxiyn | (2005-01-11) |
| 14:09.41 | Whooper | any tips on how to make debian testing boot with an evil ide-controller (ultradma66) that keeps it from booting? |
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| 14:09.45 | karsten | SquareRt: Some patentholders have a strong interest in supporting Linux. |
| 14:09.56 | karsten | SquareRt: Some of the world's largest patentholders are now somewhat *dependent* on Linux. |
| 14:09.59 | SquareRt | sanxiyn: to dedicate the patent is to release it, to make it so that it exists as an expired patent |
| 14:10.18 | karsten | asuffield: I've talked to her. She's a really balsy broad who takes no prisoners and likes getting in your face. |
| 14:10.27 | karsten | asuffield: I can't speak to her allegiances. |
| 14:10.27 | SquareRt | sanxiyn: so that no-one holds the patent |
| 14:10.29 | sanxiyn | SquareRt: Yes, IBM didn't do that. |
| 14:10.44 | karsten | asuffield: ...however, she definitely likes being provocative. |
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| 14:10.58 | SquareRt | karsten: balshy? like bolschy? (sp?) |
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| 14:11.04 | karsten | asuffield: I think she's about 50 years after her time, personally. |
| 14:11.09 | SquareRt | karsten: balsy* like etc even |
| 14:11.13 | karsten | SquareRt: Same concept. |
| 14:11.18 | asuffield | karsten: it's obvious from the stuff she writes. all pro-MS, anti-non-corporate propoganda, mostly pure fiction |
| 14:11.49 | nokia6000 | how do people over clock the cpu, usually? |
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| 14:11.56 | SquareRt | asuffield: the words "Can you say fearmongering?" come to mind |
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| 14:12.08 | karsten | asuffield: I haven't followed her really closely. I see her headlines. Frankly most of it strikes me as pretty tabloid. |
| 14:12.15 | karsten | nokia6000: BIOS clockspeed. |
| 14:12.37 | nokia6000 | karsten, how about on the motherboard with jumper pins? |
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| 14:12.54 | SquareRt | nokia6000: you could always place a quartz-based timepiece below the board, but I find that putting it in the top shelf of a grandfather clock really helps... so long as it's below the cornice, to avoid dust |
| 14:12.58 | karsten | nokia6000: That's a-firmative. |
| 14:13.36 | SquareRt | nokia6000: only mechanical (that is, simple harmonic motion based) timepieces give you the best precision with resistance to power fluctuations |
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| 14:14.26 | karsten | asuffield: I'm aware that PJ's been pretty critical of O'Gara. I think Pam's a bit paranoid, possibly not without cause. |
| 14:15.01 | asuffield | nah, that's about normal. O'Gara's been writing crap like that for years |
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| 14:16.15 | nokia6000 | karsten, what did SquareRt just said? |
| 14:16.26 | karsten | asuffield: A lot of what O'Gara writes that PJ attacks strikes me as reporting based on few sources and a little too much credulousness. I've seen O'Gara there before. Again, not sure of allegiances. But she hasn't hit my shitlist. |
| 14:16.32 | SquareRt | nokia6000: don't worry.. my jokes get worse |
| 14:16.38 | karsten | nokia6000: /lastlog SquareRt |
| 14:16.56 | karsten | nokia6000: Um. Bad jokes. |
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| 14:17.06 | SquareRt | nokia6000: I was suggesting that you could over-clock by placing your mainboard /over/ a grandfather clock |
| 14:17.28 | SquareRt | nokia6000: and added some stuff about pendulums, spring constant and simple harmonic motion to add credibility |
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| 14:17.37 | karsten | asuffield: Anyhow, if you want to look at influences, you getting any read on El Reg turning soft on Redmond? |
| 14:17.39 | noiese | hi all |
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| 14:17.52 | paulswm | nokia6000: you may have to adjust voltage as well as clockspeed and you'd better have a cool case and a good CPU fan, because it will get hotter |
| 14:17.54 | asuffield | karsten: the register is a true tabloid. they will print whatever they receive, without checking it |
| 14:18.16 | SquareRt | asuffield: heh... like their "powerbook g5" revelations sigh |
| 14:18.17 | rob0 | SquareRt, would not the granfather clock require a grandfather clause in the contract? |
| 14:18.38 | karsten | asuffield: Damn. That sort of leaves Slashdot in a corner. |
| 14:18.40 | SquareRt | rob0: but a gran father would be a great grand father, no? |
| 14:18.53 | karsten | asuffield: ...and how about L'Inq? |
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| 14:19.05 | asuffield | (the register has never even *tried* for an appearance of legitimacy; it's even in their logo that they really don't care) |
| 14:19.12 | karsten | asuffield: ...printing their own drunken hallucinations w/o factcheck? |
| 14:19.14 | SquareRt | karsten: IT Inquirer? |
| 14:19.22 | asuffield | karsten: dunno about them |
| 14:19.31 | karsten | SquareRt: The Inquirer: http://www.inquirer.net/ |
| 14:19.38 | rob0 | and getting into contract law WRT overclocking, how about a sanity clause? |
| 14:19.39 | SquareRt | asuffield: indeed... with their Cash 'n' Carrion... |
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| 14:19.46 | karsten | asuffield: Mike Magee was one of the co-founders of El Reg. Left in a huff. |
| 14:20.04 | karsten | asuffield: ....and founded The Inquirer. Markedly similar color scheme and all. |
| 14:20.11 | SquareRt | rob0: would need to have a 24th of december claus though... |
| 14:20.37 | SquareRt | ( rob0 : I did warn you that the jokes get worse :D sigh ) |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | hi .. i just installed overclockix .. and my PSU is smoking .. cna i get some help? |
| 14:20.55 | asuffield | <shrug> I don't make any particular effort to read every random news aggregation site. there's too many of them |
| 14:21.05 | Nunzio | hello everyone |
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| 14:21.25 | rob0 | abrotman, fire department |
| 14:21.37 | karsten | asuffield: ...I've got some Nicorette too, but it's in the car. |
| 14:21.38 | abrotman | i live in .us .. you think they'll show up? |
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| 14:21.47 | karsten | asuffield: NM. |
| 14:21.53 | karsten | abrotman: ^^ |
| 14:21.59 | abrotman | karsten: yay! |
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| 14:23.50 | d22 | the server has been hacked, there are certain files installed, I wanted to remove some of them with rm command but was not unable to do so, the message was the file could not be dleted, its not chattred, I reinstalled the rm from the new rpm and still cannot delete it, what have they done thats its untouchable? |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | d22: debian doesn't use RPM |
| 14:24.14 | nokia6000 | paulswm, adjusting voltage will requires some jumper-cap-changing |
| 14:24.21 | d22 | abrotman apt I meant :) |
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| 14:24.42 | paulswm | nokia6000: I can do it in my BIOS |
| 14:25.00 | asg | d22: couldn't be deleted or couldn't be found? |
| 14:25.01 | karsten | d22: You should boot known good media. I'd suggest lnx-bbc, Knoppix, or similar. |
| 14:25.22 | abrotman | you could see if rm -rf / takes care of it :) |
| 14:25.28 | nokia6000 | now i am wondering if, that's was how it was done in older days |
| 14:25.30 | paulswm | nokia6000: I don't overclock, though, too risky on too many levels (errors, fried CPU, etc) |
| 14:26.27 | nokia6000 | paulswm, for an old computer, i can care less |
| 14:26.38 | SquareRt | nokia6000: perhaps, but your data? |
| 14:26.53 | abrotman | older computers are worse |
| 14:27.11 | nokia6000 | SquareRt, forget it's too old |
| 14:27.15 | paulswm | nokia6000: just mail your old computer to me instead of burning it |
| 14:27.46 | nokia6000 | that will cost 50 bucks |
| 14:27.53 | eddyp | d22: if the server was hacked, you should reinstall everything |
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| 14:28.29 | eddyp | d22: there is no way of knowing if somebody hasn't changed your tools, evem rm |
| 14:28.48 | abrotman | eddyp: see above re: liveCD |
| 14:29.05 | abrotman | bbialw |
| 14:29.21 | nokia6000 | i had a p1 90mhz, i throwed away, wonder how much i could have it over clocked to. |
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| 14:30.31 | eddyp | abrotman: yes, but he should reinstall after getting his data using the livecd |
| 14:30.58 | nokia6000 | my current computer is under 1ghz |
| 14:31.23 | SDFH_Linux | what cpu you got nokia6000 |
| 14:31.28 | eddyp | is there any way to allow from iptables a max number of connection per IP? |
| 14:31.45 | nokia6000 | amd 500mhz |
| 14:31.46 | asg | eddyp: have you asked in #iptables? |
| 14:31.59 | eddyp | asg: thaks for the pointer |
| 14:32.03 | asg | eddyp: you're welcome |
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| 14:32.39 | nokia6000 | SDFH_Linux, it looks like i can clock it to 5.5x (cpu fre/ bus fre) ratio. currently on a 5x ratio |
| 14:32.47 | SDFH_Linux | ah |
| 14:33.02 | SDFH_Linux | i think the 2x also is 6x or something like that |
| 14:33.05 | Leadz | Anyone here that knows a good howto on how to debootstrap sarge into a chroot environment? |
| 14:33.16 | asg | Leadz: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 14:33.33 | asg | Leadz: once created ; chroot /debootstrappedsarge ; base-config |
| 14:34.06 | Leadz | /msg ? |
| 14:34.13 | asg | Leadz: type it in your irc client |
| 14:34.21 | nokia6000 | SDFH_Linux, how? 2x ~ 6x? |
| 14:34.32 | Leadz | What for, it's Win32 :) |
| 14:35.04 | asg | Leadz: ? |
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| 14:35.46 | Leadz | asg: nm |
| 14:36.11 | Leadz | Thought it was a console command, and you ment 'dpkg -i debootstrap' |
| 14:36.13 | Leadz | :) |
| 14:36.28 | asg | Leadz: no |
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| 14:36.59 | Leadz | The problem is that debootstrap --verbose --arch i386 --include=libconsole --exclude=libpcap0,libnewt0,console-tools-libs,libsigc++0 sarge /home/remotebackup/ http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ doesn't completally work. |
| 14:37.08 | Leadz | So I have installed debootstrap. |
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| 14:38.17 | Leadz | Dpkg downloads the packages, and starts installing. But I get a msg about 'update-rc.d' not being found in my path. |
| 14:38.18 | dpkg | Leadz: You are moron #13 |
| 14:38.26 | Phated | Hehe. |
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| 14:42.23 | Leadz | asg: any suggestions? |
| 14:43.53 | asg | Leadz: well, update-rc.d is part of the required sysv-rc package which you should have. Are you running Debian? |
| 14:44.01 | Leadz | Jup. |
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| 14:45.19 | asg | Leadz: are you running debootstrap as root? |
| 14:45.25 | Leadz | Jup |
| 14:45.28 | asg | hmmm |
| 14:45.31 | Leadz | (command is above) |
| 14:45.57 | Leadz | I need to include / exclude those things because the packages are broken somehow. |
| 14:46.13 | Leadz | For example: libconsole is replacing console-tools-lib. |
| 14:46.16 | SquareRt | how come anything to dpkg (the bot, not the command) with ". But I get a msg about 'update-rc.d' not being found in my path." in it is replied to with You are moron #nn ? |
| 14:46.26 | asg | Leadz: well, you might try installing woody via debootstrap and dist-upgrading the chroot to sarge |
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| 14:47.00 | asg | SquareRt: addressing the bot with something that it doesn't understand often results in you being called a moron |
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| 14:47.15 | asg | dpkg, the rain in spain falls mainly on the plain |
| 14:47.15 | dpkg | asg: i haven't a clue |
| 14:47.20 | SquareRt | asg: but it's repeatable |
| 14:47.23 | SquareRt | watch... |
| 14:47.30 | SquareRt | dpkg, . But I get a msg about 'upd' not being found in my path. |
| 14:47.30 | dpkg | no idea, SquareRt |
| 14:47.34 | SquareRt | dpkg . But I get a msg about 'upd' not being found in my path. |
| 14:47.47 | SquareRt | and nothing... strange.. |
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| 14:47.55 | SquareRt | worked in pm lol |
| 14:47.57 | Leadz | Seems I'm the only moron... :/ |
| 14:48.04 | SquareRt | oops, not lol, lest I get flamed |
| 14:48.14 | asg | SquareRt: ask dondelelcaro about the error parsing when he's on. |
| 14:48.23 | SquareRt | asg: heh. okay :) |
| 14:48.45 | Leadz | asg: did you do a succesfull debootstrap using sarge / woody? |
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| 14:48.46 | asg | SquareRt: I haven't looked at the blootbot source in a long time. |
| 14:49.22 | asg | Leadz: I've done many but sarge may have issues since it is still a non-frozen moving target. Woody should debootstrap just fine (and the upgrade should also work.) |
| 14:49.44 | Leadz | Right, /me's gonna try that then. |
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| 14:50.51 | SquareRt | asg: is debootstrap for installing to a target? (as in using a running system to debootstrap a removable disk) |
| 14:51.00 | herodes | anybody knows about output rpm -ivh compat-libgcj --> segementation fault ???? |
| 14:51.09 | asg | herodes: #redhat will |
| 14:51.25 | herodes | theres no answer there. |
| 14:51.29 | asg | SquareRt: you can but the debootstrap will not install a kernel or configure your bootloader |
| 14:51.29 | SquareRt | asg: I think I used it before to do some boot-over-nfs stuff. was dull. |
| 14:51.31 | zakame | herodes: heh |
| 14:51.31 | herodes | any help here? |
| 14:51.43 | asg | herodes: then use Debian and we'll help you with apt/dpkg issues |
| 14:51.45 | herodes | hi zakame. |
| 14:52.02 | asg | herodes: you could use 'strace' to see why it's segfaulting |
| 14:52.35 | SquareRt | asg: are unstripped binaries easier to strace? |
| 14:52.41 | herodes | asg: how can i use it?? |
| 14:52.49 | asg | SquareRt: no, strace just logs syscalls |
| 14:52.54 | asg | herodes: read the manpage |
| 14:53.15 | SquareRt | asg: are unstripped binaries easier to debug, however? |
| 14:53.27 | asg | SquareRt: yes, at least with gdb and other tools |
| 14:53.45 | SquareRt | asg: are debian binaries stripped or unstripped? |
| 14:53.47 | asg | SquareRt: debian packaged binaries are, of course, stripped to save space |
| 14:53.50 | SquareRt | ah |
| 14:54.02 | CAiRO | is there any combination of debian themes for grub splash screen, bootsplash theme and gdm theme that will fit together well? |
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| 14:54.20 | horde | hello |
| 14:54.35 | horde | i need help with squirrelmail,, |
| 14:54.43 | SquareRt | asg: can you get the equivalent of a checked build, with unstripped binaries, of debian? |
| 14:54.50 | asg | horde: given your nick, I'd assume you wanted to use imp |
| 14:54.59 | SquareRt | asg: heh |
| 14:54.59 | zakame | holle |
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| 14:55.10 | asg | SquareRt: you can download the src deb, and create your own deb with unstripped binaries if you wish |
| 14:55.34 | SquareRt | asg: would there be little use in an installation where everything was unstripped? |
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| 14:55.45 | horde | asg how to create user for squirrelmail? |
| 14:55.57 | asg | SquareRt: yes, unless you were an active developer |
| 14:56.13 | asg | horde: you create an imap account and tell squirrel to use that imap server. |
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| 14:56.37 | horde | asg i dont use imap, qmail and sendmail |
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| 14:56.52 | asg | horde: squirrelmail *only* works with an imap server. |
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| 14:56.59 | SquareRt | asg: in which case I'd already know to modify the debian/rules and makefiles to get an unstripped binary :D |
| 14:57.00 | asg | horde: it's just a web interface to an imap server |
| 14:57.05 | asg | SquareRt: yes |
| 14:57.08 | horde | asg how to install imap ? |
| 14:57.23 | Guerin | horde: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 14:57.23 | asg | horde: apt-get install courier-imap (my suggestion but there are others.) |
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| 14:57.42 | Lwolf | horde, cirus iimap or courier are imap servers |
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| 14:57.56 | rob0 | asg, #squirrelmail is a good place for help with that too. |
| 14:58.08 | rob0 | oops |
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| 14:58.13 | ti_uhl | hello |
| 14:58.15 | asg | rob0: yes but in this instance, he needs to have a working imap server before they will help him |
| 14:58.22 | ti_uhl | i'm having troubles with my synaptics touchpad on a laptop , the X config file is set up correctly and i've checked if DEVEV was in the kernel and that's ok to. But when i start X i get messages about synaptics device off called then synaptics device on called en so on but i can't tab my touchpad to click i can only work with the buttons. Does anyone know how to solve this ? |
| 14:58.28 | SquareRt | asg: or alternatively I could replace strip with a copy of /bin/true (or some-such) and use buildd to generate a full build that's unstripped... would that be messy? lol |
| 14:58.30 | rob0 | I meant to direct that to horde, and yes, you're right |
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| 14:58.39 | SquareRt | oops.. I used lol again... I'm going to get flamed for sure now |
| 14:58.43 | horde | thans |
| 14:58.48 | horde | thanks |
| 14:58.54 | asg | SquareRt: messy perhaps but it should work ;) |
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| 14:59.18 | SquareRt | lwolf: wouldn't that be Cyrus? not Cirus? |
| 14:59.22 | SquareRt | oh bob... he left |
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| 14:59.37 | takatumi | CAiRO: http://debblue.debian.net/ |
| 14:59.39 | Guerin | hrm, what'ss the name of the font used on the linux console, and can I use it in an x terminal? |
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| 15:00.02 | jamesm__ | Is there a way to make debian happy about having two imap-servers installed at once? |
| 15:00.09 | Guerin | i know, it depends which font I have selected; but how do I figure out what's being used? |
| 15:00.13 | SquareRt | guerin: I would guess that they are different kinds of font |
| 15:00.23 | Guerin | jamesm__: why would you?> |
| 15:00.27 | CAiRO | takatumi: cool, great, thanks a lot! :) |
| 15:00.33 | rob0 | Guerin, not sure, but I think it is in the console driver or in the video card itself |
| 15:00.35 | horde | Starting Courier IMAP server:bind: Address already in use |
| 15:00.35 | horde | ll_daemon_start: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 15:00.35 | horde | invoke-rc.d: initscript courier-imap, action "start" failed. |
| 15:00.39 | asg | Guerin: thought it was default 8x16 or something similar |
| 15:00.41 | horde | :/ |
| 15:00.47 | jamesm__ | Guerin: Mailbox and mbox mail formats for different users (virtual and real) |
| 15:00.58 | rob0 | jamesm__, run one of them on an alternate port |
| 15:01.06 | asg | horde: then you already have an imap server running (use netstat -plunt | grep 143) to find out what is |
| 15:01.12 | Guerin | jamesm__: using two imap servers is a braindead way around that. Just make them all use one. |
| 15:01.19 | jamesm__ | rob0: I am, that has absolutely nothing to do with apt wanting to remove it though |
| 15:01.20 | Guerin | rob0: that doesn't fix the dependency issue. |
| 15:01.30 | SquareRt | jamesm__: can you not just find an IMAP server you like that supports all of those things? |
| 15:01.38 | rob0 | sorry, I wasn't paying attention :) |
| 15:01.39 | horde | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:143 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2943/inetd |
| 15:01.39 | jamesm__ | SquareRt: Basically, no. |
| 15:01.42 | SquareRt | jamesm__: or write one in perl ;) |
| 15:01.55 | rob0 | dovecot does. |
| 15:02.00 | Guerin | horde: look at inetd |
| 15:02.00 | asg | horde: then your are likely running uw-imap via inetd (check /etc/inetd.conf) |
| 15:02.20 | SquareRt | asg: mmm... university of washington |
| 15:02.27 | jamesm__ | rob0: But the dovecot in stable is old and decrepid |
| 15:02.32 | asg | SquareRt: yes |
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| 15:02.44 | jamesm__ | rob0: I'm not going to use that to provide a service to end users |
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| 15:03.02 | horde | asg apt-get remove uw-imap |
| 15:03.04 | jamesm__ | is the summary here, that there is no way to do this? Or are you all trying to solve it in a different way? |
| 15:03.13 | horde | and install imp |
| 15:03.24 | asg | horde: no, install courier-imap |
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| 15:03.40 | FalscherHase | hi. i'm experiencing the "Componentized instance has no attribute 'run'"-problem with apt-proxy as described in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268797 but I don't understand the workaround mentioned at the end. Can somebody help? |
| 15:03.46 | asg | horde: or just comment the line in inetd.conf and install courier-imap |
| 15:05.25 | horde | in inetd.conf remove this line ?? imap stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd imapd |
| 15:05.40 | asg | horde: just put '#' in front of it |
| 15:05.51 | asg | horde: then type 'killall -HUP inetd' |
| 15:06.38 | jamesm__ | Hmm, it even wants to remove them if the package is held |
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| 15:08.21 | SquareRt | jamesm__: the only way to let them co-exist is to create a new package of one of them with a new name (eg dovecot-imap-nodep) that does not "Provides: imap-server" in debian/control |
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| 15:08.31 | SquareRt | jamesm__: or build it by hand and stick it in /usr/local |
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| 15:08.43 | SquareRt | jamesm__: (the solutions that I am aware of) |
| 15:08.50 | valdyn | FalscherHase: edit /etc/inetd.conf and remove the line about apt-proxy ( but im just repeating this literally, whats hard to understand? ) |
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| 15:09.33 | FalscherHase | valdyn: i get the same error if i call apt-proxy from the command line. doesn't seem to be related to inetd? |
| 15:09.39 | phed | Sigh, my X just won't start. I mean, I rebooted, and now it doesn't start. No error in the logs either. kdm works fine. |
| 15:09.52 | jamesm__ | SquareRt: OK thanks. I had considered that option, but was hoping to avoid it :) Thanks |
| 15:10.10 | asg | phed: if kdm works, the X works. You issue is with whatever window manager or desktop environment you are running. |
| 15:10.11 | phed | startx just makes the screen blink, and then it exits. anyone have any ideas how I might go on to see what is wrong? |
| 15:10.13 | McLamb | im trying to create a symbolic link and i know i have the directorys right, i've tried every thing possible and put in the full paths, are there any common mistakes? |
| 15:10.13 | valdyn | FalscherHase: why dont you just do what this fix suggests? |
| 15:10.15 | asg | s/the X/then X/ |
| 15:10.19 | SquareRt | jamesm__: which one? debuild'ing without the provides or the hand build? |
| 15:10.22 | phed | asg: tried failsafe :\ |
| 15:10.54 | asg | phed: what are you wanting to run? |
| 15:11.00 | SquareRt | jamesm__: or, alternatively, unpack the deb (use ar!) and after modifying it use dpkg-buildpackage to put it back together |
| 15:11.00 | phed | asg: eg. kde :) |
| 15:11.10 | SquareRt | jamesm__: that way you don't need to compile it |
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| 15:11.20 | phed | asg: It just exits as soon as I log in. |
| 15:11.24 | asg | phed: then you probably don't have all the bits installed. I'd check with #debian-kde to find out which ones you need. |
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| 15:11.35 | phed | well, it worked before |
| 15:11.42 | Leadz | Quick question: Woody is 3.0, Sarge is 3.1 ? |
| 15:11.43 | phed | asg: note that failsafe doesn't work either |
| 15:11.57 | Lwolf | Leadz, yes |
| 15:12.00 | Leadz | Tnx |
| 15:12.01 | asg | phed: something else to try then. Close kdm (so you are at a console.) Log in as your user and type 'startx' |
| 15:12.05 | FalscherHase | valdyn: because if inetd doesnt start the daemon nobody does it, and i get a lot of "connection refused" with apt-get update |
| 15:12.08 | McLamb | anyone? |
| 15:12.17 | phed | asg: tried. just starts, quit, then no error message. |
| 15:12.26 | asg | phed: there may be a permissions issue then. |
| 15:12.38 | phed | tried as root as well. same issue. |
| 15:12.39 | Lwolf | McLamb, ? |
| 15:12.53 | asg | phed: oh |
| 15:12.58 | valdyn | FalscherHase: apt-proxy is started by "/etc/init.d/apt-proxy start" |
| 15:13.09 | phed | yeah, its tricky :\ |
| 15:13.12 | rage_ | McLamb man ln .. ? |
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| 15:13.27 | asg | phed: does typing 'X' as either root or your user (or both) bring up the grey hatched screen and X cursor? |
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| 15:13.31 | FalscherHase | valdyn: i dont have /etc/init.d/apt-proxy ... |
| 15:13.37 | valdyn | FalscherHase: if you didnt change that manually, then it starts there, inetd is not ( anymore ) involved |
| 15:13.47 | McLamb | ohhh, its ln -s, i was putting ls -s |
| 15:13.50 | phed | asg: yupp |
| 15:13.50 | McLamb | ok thanks |
| 15:14.16 | phed | asg: that works. |
| 15:14.16 | asg | phed: then check with #debian-kde, something very kde specific isn't working. |
| 15:14.19 | valdyn | FalscherHase: what does dpkg -l apt-proxy say? |
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| 15:14.29 | phed | asg: ok, great |
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| 15:15.26 | phed | asg: thanks |
| 15:15.27 | FalscherHase | valdyn: ii apt-proxy 1.9.24 |
| 15:15.31 | asg | phed: you're welcome |
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| 15:17.00 | valdyn | FalscherHase: now try dpkg -L apt-proxy. i just did that, my version is same as yours, and /etc/init.d/apt-proxy _is_ in there |
| 15:17.07 | findme_ | how do i record from alsa ? |
| 15:17.22 | FalscherHase | valdyn: hmpf, i just reinstalled using apt-get remove apt-proxy and dpkg -i apt-proxy-...deb (is that ok?) and i still dont have the startup script |
| 15:18.01 | Lwolf | hi, someone can help me on a bug in sarge install ? |
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| 15:18.21 | valdyn | FalscherHase: which debian release are you using? sarge? |
| 15:18.43 | FalscherHase | valdyn: yes, dpkg -L apt-proxy and dpkg -c apt-proxy-...deb both list /etc/init.d/apt-proxy |
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| 15:18.57 | Lwolf | i'm using compaq smart 2 P array scsi card, and if the cd install go wel, at reboot, i've got the error : pivot_root: no such file or directory |
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| 15:19.05 | cahoot | findme: line in? arecord is simple |
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| 15:19.42 | FalscherHase | valdyn: yes, sarge with few pieces from sid |
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| 15:20.06 | MrP | What package contains the KDE headers? |
| 15:20.14 | valdyn | FalscherHase: purge it, dpkg -P apt-proxy, then install it again |
| 15:20.31 | cahoot | findme: like: arecord -f dat -d 3600 -D hw:0,0 some.wav |
| 15:20.34 | findme | cahoot, its not recording its alsa driver. it just records a blank file |
| 15:20.35 | Guerin | MrP: apt-cache search kde |grep dev |
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| 15:21.41 | MrP | Guerin: Thanks |
| 15:21.46 | cahoot | findme: check cabling and mixer settings for your card |
| 15:22.00 | Gumboot | I don't suppose there's an alternative initrd installer image that runs telnetd or sshd? |
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| 15:22.37 | FalscherHase | valdyn: aaah now that works. thanks a lot! |
| 15:22.52 | jahi | fstab is for defining mount points, so i can mount them manually, and devices in mtab are mounted at boottime? |
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| 15:23.11 | mwilson | jahi: No. |
| 15:23.24 | mwilson | jahi: You need to forget that mtab exists. |
| 15:23.33 | jahi | -del- |
| 15:23.41 | jahi | what is mtab :D |
| 15:23.51 | findme | cahoot, I can play the wav file with aplay but can't record with arecord ? |
| 15:23.54 | jahi | ok so all i do is, to add thinks to fstab |
| 15:24.08 | findme | cahoot, it just records a blank file. any links ? |
| 15:24.10 | cahoot | findme: what card? |
| 15:24.11 | mwilson | What else would you need to do? |
| 15:24.37 | findme | cahoot, intel sound card 8... something |
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| 15:25.10 | jahi | mwilson: so all i do is, to add thinks to fstab? and the devices will be mounted automatically? |
| 15:25.22 | mwilson | If you set them so. |
| 15:26.19 | mnm | jahi: can be set to mount root access only and no user access |
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| 15:27.08 | cahoot | findme: To record audio you need to turn on "capture" - use alsamixer - according to this url: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=intel8x0 |
| 15:27.19 | lakupuu | Anybody using centericq here? |
| 15:27.31 | findme | cahoot, thanks buds. Have a good one. |
| 15:27.42 | jahi | ok thanks all i think it works for me now |
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| 15:28.39 | MrP | What would cause this error? (the file doesn't even exist): dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libcupsys2-dev_1.1.23-2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/fr/man1/cups-config.1.gz', which is also in package cupsys |
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| 15:31.30 | mwilson | MrP: What did you break, that the file doesn't exist? |
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| 15:36.31 | roshankv007 | http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 15:36.31 | rafx | is there an automated system in place to detect lame maintainers or does someone need to take action (email) as described in policy? i'm not sure if many folks are willing to complain (who knows why a maintainer disappears for 2 months? maybe s/he's in surgery or something) |
| 15:36.41 | roshankv007 | Honorable mention: #debian on irc.freenode.org |
| 15:36.41 | roshankv007 | It was interesting to see that the #debian channel on Freenode was able to take second place in our "Thumbs Down" category. This group of people has managed to turn around many potential Debian and Linux newbies from test driving Debian, or Linux in general. For all their claims to be about Debian support, they have the least inclusive and most unfriendly attitude on the planet. There are several people who are good with *nix who have turned d |
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| 15:36.54 | roshankv007 | wanna comment? |
| 15:37.09 | bbhill | roshankv007: Completely true In alot of cases. |
| 15:37.14 | MrP | I agree |
| 15:37.41 | rafx | i found this channel to be very noob-friendly so far |
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| 15:37.42 | zakame | roshankv007: heh. nuff said. |
| 15:37.56 | roshankv007 | maybe it shud be more moderated |
| 15:38.03 | bbhill | rafx: Havent been here long enough then. |
| 15:38.04 | karsten | roshankv007: /* */ |
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| 15:38.14 | Phated | *shrugs* Maybe. The ops haven't made that decision. |
| 15:38.21 | takatumi | roshankv007: yes arttechnica should be moderated |
| 15:38.33 | billyoc | lol |
| 15:38.36 | takatumi | s/tt/st |
| 15:38.41 | roshankv007 | lol |
| 15:39.08 | nksen | if I want my router to display different pages than the real ones, how should I start? i have absolutely no idea how to proceed. say... I want my router to realize if I enter 'www.google.de' and show me a local page on the router instad |
| 15:39.23 | rafx | bbhill: lol |
| 15:39.24 | rafx | ls |
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| 15:39.26 | rafx | oops |
| 15:39.53 | roshankv007 | a page on router= somethin like 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:40.03 | roshankv007 | or 192.168.1.0 |
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| 15:40.30 | scarynetworkguy | roshankv007: Go grep through the logs and find a single example of someone asking a smart question not getting helped and then come back. |
| 15:40.45 | valdyn | nksen: you can try this in /etc/hosts on your own box '127.0.0.1 www.google.de' |
| 15:40.49 | roshankv007 | dont flame me |
| 15:40.57 | roshankv007 | this is my first time here |
| 15:41.04 | cahoot | scarynetworkguy: the problem not being the 'smart' questioners |
| 15:41.04 | scarynetworkguy | roshankv007: You are not being flamed. You are being asked to verify the claim you are making. |
| 15:41.06 | roshankv007 | i'm just qouton 'em, |
| 15:41.12 | nksen | valdyn: would this affect accesses from masqueraded hosts? |
| 15:41.14 | roshankv007 | i'm just quotin 'em |
| 15:41.19 | rob0 | I thought my question was fairly smart, not REAL smart, but it could have gotten some help :) |
| 15:41.22 | Phated | roshankv007: To what point and purpose, if I may ask? |
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| 15:41.26 | karsten | roshankv007: Suggestion: if you have a question, ask it. Taunting a group isn't a great start. |
| 15:41.36 | roshankv007 | chill ppl |
| 15:41.38 | bbhill | roshankv007: Proof. |
| 15:41.56 | jahi | i find this channel really helpfull, it got me started with debian and people in here helped me very much out of my beginner-/and other problems. and thus all in a friendly way! who ever tells other things is evil ;) |
| 15:41.58 | valdyn | nksen: only the localhost where that /etc/hosts is |
| 15:42.01 | scarynetworkguy | cahoot: Read the quote. Also you will find that we tried to educate people who were not asking smart questions and that they simply wanted to be spoonfed. No we don't and should not go that. |
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| 15:42.04 | roshankv007 | i saw the article so i wanted to see wat other ppl think of it |
| 15:42.25 | scarynetworkguy | roshankv007: And now you are. It is complete bullshit with no facts at all behind it. |
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| 15:42.34 | Phated | roshankv007: This subject has been beaten to death. It is, in simple terms, silly. |
| 15:42.48 | bbhill | roshankv007: Just do what I do, when someone in here is rude to you, just picture what they look like IRL. |
| 15:42.51 | bbhill | Will make you laugh every time. |
| 15:42.53 | Phated | Everyone else: Let's please consider this a troll-type attempt and ignore, please? |
| 15:42.56 | roshankv007 | maybe why dont u goto the discussion of that thread and flame the author |
| 15:43.04 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 15:43.04 | roshankv007 | lol |
| 15:43.04 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:43.17 | scarynetworkguy | roshankv007: When were you flamed? and with that /me drops it. |
| 15:43.24 | rob0 | I would like some guidance in 1) what to download to do a Sid netinst, and 2) how to set it up in GRUB (Ubuntu Warty). |
| 15:43.34 | Phated | rob0: #ubuntu, please. |
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| 15:43.41 | scarynetworkguy | !tell rob0 aobut d-i |
| 15:43.47 | karsten | rob0: Ubuntu != sid netinst. |
| 15:43.55 | Phated | d-i doesn't do sid, no? But either way. |
| 15:43.59 | rob0 | I want to install Debian Sid. |
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| 15:44.08 | rob0 | I don't want to burn a CD. |
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| 15:44.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: No but it is the shortest way to get there. Install off of it and then go to Sid. |
| 15:44.15 | karsten | Phated: Point. |
| 15:44.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: True. |
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| 15:44.27 | rob0 | The machine is now running ubuntu ... otherwise a non-issue |
| 15:44.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah. |
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| 15:44.34 | Kraig | Moin. |
| 15:44.49 | renan | Can someone tell me, firefox 1.0 is in unstable ? |
| 15:44.49 | horrovac | Moin. Englisch. |
| 15:44.50 | Phated | If you're running Ubuntu... It makes no sense to run Debian and a Debian-based on the same machine... |
| 15:44.50 | karsten | rob0: Read the installation manual. Realize that Sarge installer changes some things. Figure out what you want to do. If you have questions at that point ask. |
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| 15:45.00 | Phated | renan: Firefox 1.0 is in unstable. |
| 15:45.02 | nullvoid | I am using Postfix - spamassassin - pyzor on my mail server, but still got some spam comming in, I read about dcc, but which one should I install? dcc-server or dcc-client? |
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| 15:45.25 | karsten | renan: Yes. See http://packages.debian.org/ for general package availability questions. |
| 15:45.30 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: Single user machine? |
| 15:45.31 | rafx | anyone know if gnupg 1.4 will make it into sarge? i followed the thread in bug reports and it isn't clear based on the comments. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=286058 |
| 15:45.45 | renan | Phated: strange. I have installed Progeny debian, and changed my sources.list to unstable, but I can't find firefox 1. |
| 15:45.45 | rob0 | Phated, I am probably not going to keep Ubuntu. |
| 15:46.04 | horrovac | rob0: Why not? |
| 15:46.07 | Phated | rob0: Ohhh, right... |
| 15:46.11 | Jeroen_ | Could it be that the make-kpkg in Sarge is broken? |
| 15:46.11 | nullvoid | scarynetworkguy: I got a mailserver, and I want to stop spam, what you mean by single user machine |
| 15:46.12 | karsten | rob0: If you've got a running system, you can do a chroot install, provided you've got the free space. |
| 15:46.22 | findme | cahoot, got it to working had to play with the capture. Thanks for your help. |
| 15:46.24 | Phated | rob0: Do you have anything else on it like say Windows? |
| 15:46.31 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: How many people are you serving off of the mailserver in question? |
| 15:46.34 | Phated | renan: Don't ask me, ask the Progeny people. |
| 15:46.38 | karsten | Jeroen_: Could be. Could be that you should check the BTS? |
| 15:46.47 | nullvoid | scarynetworkguy: around 1000 users |
| 15:46.47 | Jeroen_ | I get all kinds of errors like: scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: unknown file or map. |
| 15:47.08 | karsten | Jeroen_: You're missing build deps. |
| 15:47.10 | rob0 | horrovac, packages availability ... GPS/mapping stuff, not in Ubuntu repositories. Besides, I think (being a Slacker) Debian proper is a better fit for me. |
| 15:47.23 | Jeroen_ | karsten: the what? A friend of mine who's new to linux is trying to install the ATi Radeon 9600 Pro driver. |
| 15:47.30 | Jeroen_ | karsten: I see. |
| 15:47.30 | rob0 | Windows? Ugh! |
| 15:47.34 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: In that case you really need to invest in a book. I suggest the ORA one. It runs through in great detail how to do just what you want to. |
| 15:47.35 | Jeroen_ | karsten: any idea how to find out which ones? |
| 15:47.42 | horrovac | rob0: Ah, thanks. |
| 15:47.45 | karsten | Jeroen_: Sec. |
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| 15:48.02 | valdyn | !ati |
| 15:48.02 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:48.02 | nullvoid | scarynetworkguy: my question is dcc-client or dcc-server? |
| 15:48.12 | cahoot | findme: make a backup copy of you asound.state once you have a working setup |
| 15:48.16 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: Yes. |
| 15:48.29 | Jeroen_ | valdyn: that's what we're following atm. |
| 15:48.32 | rob0 | I want to have Debian (on the laptop) for trying things out more easily than can be done in Slackware. |
| 15:48.38 | findme | cahoot, ok. thanks |
| 15:48.40 | karsten | Jeroen_: Video drivers are another issue seperately. |
| 15:48.59 | nullvoid | scarynetworkguy: you are not answering my question - dcc-client or dcc-server? |
| 15:49.04 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 15:49.04 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 15:49.06 | Jeroen_ | karsten: yes, but the webpage tells us to: make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --config old configure (which fails) |
| 15:49.14 | xabi | what's the difference between debian GNU/Linux and Debian GNU/Hurd ?? |
| 15:49.20 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: Yes. I did answer your question. You are not understanding the answer. :) |
| 15:49.21 | karsten | Jeroen_: ...I'm fading badly here. Re-ask channel about kernel build. apt-get install make-kpkg _should_ cover most of it, but I may be forgetting stuff. |
| 15:49.27 | Jeroen_ | Hehe. |
| 15:49.29 | Phated | xabi: One uses the Linux kernel, one uses the Hurd kernel. |
| 15:49.38 | mnm | xabi hurd kernel |
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| 15:49.42 | takatumi | rob0: debootstrap might help |
| 15:49.42 | Jeroen_ | karsten: it's actually apt-get install kernel-package |
| 15:49.42 | karsten | xabi: Kernel. |
| 15:49.44 | rob0 | haha I *knew* you were up all night! |
| 15:49.44 | Phated | karsten: That's apt-get install kernel-package. |
| 15:49.45 | xabi | Phated: the only difference is the kernel? |
| 15:49.45 | Jeroen_ | But thanks. |
| 15:49.46 | debian | what'd be the protocol of the wireless mouse? |
| 15:49.47 | nullvoid | which part you answer? maybe I didn't notice |
| 15:49.48 | bbhill | Is it normal to have alot of disk activity on gkrellm (not seeing any on the actual machine) just running IRC and fluxbox and gkrellm? |
| 15:49.57 | Phated | xabi: Most likely. I've never used it. |
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| 15:50.11 | karsten | Jeroen_: As I said, I'm fading, long night. |
| 15:50.12 | xabi | am... |
| 15:50.14 | karsten | Phated: Thanks. |
| 15:50.15 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: I said "Yes". :) |
| 15:50.24 | xabi | so, the kernel-package are the Hurd ? |
| 15:50.28 | karsten | xabi: Repeating the answer won't change it. |
| 15:50.33 | Phated | xabi: What? |
| 15:50.38 | CurryPork | can someone help me set up my x windows? |
| 15:50.46 | scarynetworkguy | nullvoid: You are working from a bad assumption. You need both. |
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| 15:50.55 | valdyn | !faq currypork |
| 15:50.57 | dpkg | currypork: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:50.59 | Phated | CurryPork: Depends. What's the issue? |
| 15:51.06 | nullvoid | oic |
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| 15:51.19 | karsten | !tell CurryPork about set up x |
| 15:51.20 | xabi | if i do: apt-get install kernel-package.... => is that the hurd kernel? |
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| 15:51.29 | Phated | xabi: No, it is not. |
| 15:51.46 | Phated | kernel-package is the package that provides tools like make-kpkg. |
| 15:51.48 | scarynetworkguy | xabi: No. That is a set of scripts to make building a kernel the Debian Way easier. |
| 15:51.49 | xabi | then, where can i get it? |
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| 15:52.08 | Phated | Eh, no idea. Google "hurd kernel"? |
| 15:52.15 | phed | asg: mm, .xsession-errors contained the info I needed. It seemed like init.d/xprint failed. |
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| 15:52.24 | xabi | juas |
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| 15:52.26 | valdyn | xabi: sounds strange to me to want to use hurd but not being able to find the ports section at debian.org |
| 15:52.37 | scarynetworkguy | xabi: Likely there is a pointer off of the Debian Hurd page. You will be 1 of 3 people to run it. So don't expect people to be able to help. |
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| 15:52.41 | xabi | ok, Phated |
| 15:52.46 | icaro | hello |
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| 15:53.06 | asg | phed: ah |
| 15:53.06 | rob0 | oops :) |
| 15:53.09 | xabi | valdyn: my english is very poor, i have problems to find documentation in spanish about hurd |
| 15:53.15 | Phated | xabi: Yeah, mind what scarynetworkguy said. Few people use Hurd for now. |
| 15:53.22 | sussudio | !es |
| 15:53.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:53.24 | CAiRO | heh, it's a real pain that there is adduser and useradd, i can never remember which one to use |
| 15:53.26 | Phated | It'll probably come into wider use -sometime-. |
| 15:53.38 | findme | xabi, always concentrate on your strenghts. |
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| 15:53.45 | Phated | CAiRO: How about just deciding which one you like and then using that always? |
| 15:53.51 | valdyn | xabi: i see, no one uses it so theres no information either way |
| 15:54.03 | scarynetworkguy | xabi: And keep in mind that even RMS does not consider it ready for primetime. |
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| 15:54.04 | xabi | aha |
| 15:54.05 | xabi | ok |
| 15:54.13 | xabi | thanks to eveybody :) |
| 15:55.01 | CAiRO | Phated: well, i would but i only need it rarely and since their names are so similar, i can't remember which one of those does also create a home dir and so on (at least not without looking at the man page) |
| 15:55.47 | Phated | CAiRO: Fair enough. |
| 15:56.12 | FalscherHase | nksen: perhaps the mini-HOWTO "Transparent Proxy with Linux and Squid" is a starting point. From there somehow remove Squid and plugin your own display-different-pages-proxy-solution. |
| 15:56.22 | jahi | how do i tell that bash should be the default shell? when i open a term like Eterm, it seems to have another shell (how can i tell what?) and the l or ll or la aliases wont work, if i type bash it works |
| 15:56.46 | scarynetworkguy | jahi: /etc/passwd |
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| 15:57.19 | jahi | scarynetworkguy: hm there is ...:/bin/bash |
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| 15:57.45 | scarynetworkguy | jahi: Then something else is borken. |
| 15:57.46 | Phated | Interestingly, all my Eterms seem to use bash. |
| 15:57.46 | karsten | jahi: man 5 passwd |
| 15:58.06 | scarynetworkguy | As do all of mine. |
| 15:58.18 | karsten | Phated: Interestingly, all my eterms appear to be rxvts. |
| 15:58.33 | Phated | Good for you. |
| 15:58.43 | scarynetworkguy | jahi: Were you playing with system vars by chance? Sounds like you sourced something wrong. Maybe. |
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| 16:00.18 | jahi | in ~/.bashrc i have defined aliases, when i klick the button these work, but when i start in the xterm a new one the wont |
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| 16:00.39 | scarynetworkguy | jahi: What does say a xterm do? |
| 16:00.42 | jahi | ...they wont. if i then start 'bash' it works |
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| 16:01.02 | jahi | i have a button on my xfce-controlpanel |
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| 16:01.06 | karsten | jahi: echo $SHELL |
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| 16:01.14 | PEACEYAL | gah i hate my system |
| 16:01.14 | PEACEYAL | " |
| 16:01.25 | asg | !magic hate ball |
| 16:01.25 | jahi | then i type 'xterm' and get a new window |
| 16:01.45 | billyoc | lol |
| 16:01.51 | jahi | they ARE both bash |
| 16:02.05 | PEACEYAL | is there a way to solve my problem? i am running teh net install and updating the packages so then after 10 mins my system turns off because the tempreture is too high |
| 16:02.06 | jahi | hmhmhm |
| 16:02.28 | asg | PEACEYAL: erm, underclock your cpu or get some decent cooling |
| 16:02.29 | PEACEYAL | how can i make it not to shut down |
| 16:02.33 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Improve your cooling. Underclock your system. |
| 16:02.41 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Were you asking about overclocking earlier? |
| 16:02.42 | PEACEYAL | same answer |
| 16:02.47 | PEACEYAL | lol |
| 16:02.49 | PEACEYAL | no |
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| 16:03.00 | Jeroen_ | For anyone who cares, I think he didn't install libc6-devel (and that's why make-kpkg couldn't find certain files) |
| 16:03.19 | paulswm | PEACEYAL: is your CPU fan (and all the others) working |
| 16:03.24 | karsten | Jeroen_: Thanks. |
| 16:03.28 | billyoc | PEACEYAL: I had a box doing that last week, I cleaned out the fan and it was fine. |
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| 16:03.43 | Di42lo | if i tar -zcf some directory to a file...what was the flag to do it to another directory ? |
| 16:03.45 | Jeroen_ | (dev actually, instead of devel ;)) |
| 16:03.54 | PEACEYAL | ok so wats overclocking |
| 16:04.14 | paulswm | PEACEYAL: when you run your CPU over the rated speed |
| 16:04.16 | Phated | Don't do it, when your system's already overheating. |
| 16:04.18 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Your system bus speed. Controls how fast your CPU runs. Faster => hotter. |
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| 16:04.33 | PEACEYAL | oh ok\ill change it to realllly slow |
| 16:04.36 | PEACEYAL | :P |
| 16:04.55 | paulswm | PEACEYAL: better to check your fans and clean out any crap from the CPU heatsink |
| 16:04.58 | scarynetworkguy | And if you are already hot hotter -> deader |
| 16:04.58 | Phated | Might as well do what billyoc said and clean out the fans as well. |
| 16:05.10 | PEACEYAL | how can i do taht |
| 16:05.12 | PEACEYAL | i go ta laptop |
| 16:05.13 | PEACEYAL | " |
| 16:05.17 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Also: open the case, run an external fan directly on the mobo. |
| 16:05.37 | mwilson | Of course, you have to beat out of him that he has a laptop. |
| 16:05.45 | karsten | PEACEYAL: ...um. Probably with difficulty. There may be a CPU bus speed setting in BIOS. |
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| 16:05.55 | paulswm | mwilson: heh |
| 16:05.59 | PEACEYAL | oko |
| 16:06.00 | karsten | mwilson: No shit. |
| 16:06.01 | PEACEYAL | ill change that |
| 16:06.05 | rob0 | so, debootstrap looks better for what I want to do. Thx. |
| 16:06.14 | asg | PEACEYAL: if you live in a cold dry climate, you could put it outside and run an extension cord till the install is over |
| 16:06.59 | karsten | PEACEYAL: What's your laptop sitting on? |
| 16:07.20 | asg | hehe |
| 16:07.32 | asg | karsten: or wooly pants |
| 16:07.36 | PEACEYAL | gah damn dont have taht option |
| 16:07.40 | karsten | asg: That's not WOOL! |
| 16:07.45 | jahi | scarynetworkguy: sry it seems to be working now, except when i login via ssh or start a Eterm from a console |
| 16:07.45 | PEACEYAL | my laptop is an acer ferrari 3000 |
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| 16:07.55 | karsten | PEACEYAL: You're in LAX? |
| 16:08.04 | billyoc | lol |
| 16:08.13 | PEACEYAL | wats lax\ |
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| 16:08.17 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Turn off the engine rev feaure. |
| 16:08.18 | asg | PEACEYAL: that doesn't bode well for next year's world championship season then |
| 16:08.24 | billyoc | PEACEYAL: you *always* have the clean-the-fan option. :) |
| 16:08.27 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Los Angeles |
| 16:08.38 | PEACEYAL | oh no im not in lax |
| 16:08.47 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: tried booting with linux26? |
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| 16:08.52 | PEACEYAL | we;ll i dont have the stupid fan option |
| 16:09.04 | PEACEYAL | no i didnt try botting with linux26 |
| 16:09.05 | LinuxNIT | what do i need to install so that things like zipdrives and digital camers will be mounted automatically? |
| 16:09.21 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: acpi might be better handled in 2.6 |
| 16:09.23 | paulswm | PEACEYAL: you really should find out a way to check that the fans are operating and clean them, or return the thing if it's still under warranty |
| 16:09.26 | karsten | LinuxNIT: USB support. Read the USB howto. |
| 16:09.37 | karsten | !tell LinuxNIT about usb |
| 16:09.45 | PEACEYAL | but this doesnt happen in windows only in linux |
| 16:10.02 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Could be power settings or other stuff. |
| 16:10.06 | jahi | PEACEYAL: a hoover is your friend |
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| 16:10.17 | mwilson | So run Windows. |
| 16:10.19 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Laptops are getting ever tighter heat budgets, overheating's common. |
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| 16:10.28 | BockBilbo | hello |
| 16:10.31 | PEACEYAL | mwilson i hate windows |
| 16:10.34 | paulswm | PEACEYAL: does top show that you have a process using 100% of the CPU |
| 16:10.37 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Does this laptop have a vendor/model? |
| 16:10.40 | LinuxNIT | ok |
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| 16:11.04 | PEACEYAL | yes the vendor is acer and the model is ferrari 3000 |
| 16:11.06 | jahi | place the hoover to the output of the fan :D did that this morning |
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| 16:11.18 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Doh. |
| 16:11.22 | karsten | PEACEYAL: ...sorry. |
| 16:11.29 | PEACEYAL | sorry for wat |
| 16:11.38 | paulswm | !abuse karsten |
| 16:11.39 | mwilson | I really don't see the problem... Windows can play your pirated movies, it can play your pirated MP3's, what else do you need to worry about? |
| 16:11.42 | karsten | PEACEYAL: I saw that, forgot it. |
| 16:11.46 | horde | alguien que hable español |
| 16:11.48 | horde | ? |
| 16:11.52 | karsten | paulswm: Thank ye kindly. |
| 16:11.54 | PEACEYAL | mwilson i just hate windows |
| 16:11.54 | karsten | !spanish |
| 16:11.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:12.00 | PEACEYAL | i hate microsoft and its products |
| 16:12.00 | mwilson | Linux is going to work the hardware, to what end? |
| 16:12.01 | paulswm | karsten: :-P |
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| 16:12.46 | Phated | mwilson: One can always hope the laptop blows up while on this fellow's lap. Symbolic in so many ways. |
| 16:12.56 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
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| 16:13.16 | PEACEYAL | lol |
| 16:13.27 | PEACEYAL | gah |
| 16:13.29 | uar | Anybody know a good router/firewall software / live distro?.... |
| 16:13.37 | paulswm | "What happened to your legs?" "I got hit by a Ferrari." |
| 16:13.52 | PEACEYAL | llool |
| 16:13.53 | Manoj` | shorewall is a decent firewall package |
| 16:13.54 | Phated | "Ferrari blew up on 'em." |
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| 16:14.05 | mwilson | The thieves always expect sympathy... I never understood why. |
| 16:14.08 | Manoj` | I just use Debian stable for router/firewall |
| 16:14.11 | uar | Manoj`: i need a software that can make a router too |
| 16:14.13 | asg | uar: build one to suit and use bootcd to create a live cd |
| 16:14.15 | paulswm | Phated: hopefully, not Geraldine |
| 16:14.23 | paulswm | oh, that's feerraro |
| 16:14.26 | Phated | Lost me there. |
| 16:14.31 | paulswm | crap, ferraro |
| 16:14.36 | Manoj` | uar: linux does a decent job as a router |
| 16:14.51 | paulswm | Phated: not worth explaining, screwed it up anyway |
| 16:14.55 | PEACEYAL | gah this sux :/ is tehre anyy other way than overcloking or the other thing |
| 16:14.57 | uar | Manoj`: my plan is to make a router in debian who can split my internet in to networks one 1mbit and another 1mbit |
| 16:15.05 | uar | Manoj`: do you know anything about that |
| 16:15.18 | Phated | PEACEYAL: Overclocking is not going to solve your problem, in fact, it will do the exact opposite. |
| 16:15.25 | PEACEYAL | ::/ |
| 16:15.31 | PEACEYAL | ok is there any otehr option |
| 16:15.42 | PEACEYAL | gah i know ill put ice on my laptop |
| 16:15.43 | PEACEYAL | :D |
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| 16:16.00 | karsten | PEACEYAL: Dry ice, preferred. |
| 16:16.05 | PEACEYAL | lol |
| 16:16.05 | scarynetworkguy | PEACEYAL: Better yet fix the fucking thing. |
| 16:16.09 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 16:16.09 | dpkg | i heard lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 16:16.11 | PEACEYAL | ice in a bag better so it wont spill |
| 16:16.24 | scarynetworkguy | !tell PEACEYAL about enter |
| 16:16.32 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 16:16.47 | PEACEYAL | !tell scarynetworkguy about exit |
| 16:16.54 | Phated | PEACEYAL: Physics 101. Condensation will form on the bag. |
| 16:17.04 | paulswm | PEACEYAL: it seems to me that either you have a hardware cooling problem (dirty/inop fan), or a fan is blocked, or a process is hammering your CPU and causing it to over heat. I think the process/CPU is unlikely. |
| 16:17.09 | PEACEYAL | screw condensation |
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| 16:17.32 | PEACEYAL | sooo wat should i do |
| 16:17.37 | Phated | Well, have fun then. |
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| 16:17.57 | scarynetworkguy | PEACEYAL: You have been told. Many many times. You should go do those things. |
| 16:18.14 | PEACEYAL | ya i knwo two thignzs one taht i cant do and teh otehr i cant |
| 16:18.15 | PEACEYAL | ::/ |
| 16:18.20 | nbr1lamer309 | try crystals |
| 16:18.22 | karsten | PEACEYAL: You've got suggestions. I'd suggest *doing* something. Rather than yakking. |
| 16:18.49 | PEACEYAL | gah ill just leave my computer on over nite to cool down |
| 16:18.51 | PEACEYAL | off\* |
| 16:19.00 | uar | Anybody know a good router/firewall software ore live cd?... My plan is to make a router on my debian server that can handle my network |
| 16:19.01 | mrex | I got a patch of the net. patch -p0 mypatch.patch just sits there, looking like its doing nothing. any ideas? |
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| 16:19.46 | sussudio | mrex: < |
| 16:19.51 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: try linux26 |
| 16:20.00 | findme | how do i get netscape |
| 16:20.02 | PEACEYAL | wats linux26 |
| 16:20.03 | PEACEYAL | ?\ |
| 16:20.11 | karsten | findme: Don't. |
| 16:20.17 | PEACEYAL | www.netscape.com |
| 16:20.18 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 16:20.21 | nbr1lamer309 | scew netscape, go ithe Fire Fox |
| 16:20.22 | PEACEYAL | and it sux |
| 16:20.23 | karsten | findme: Firefox, Mozilla, Galeon, Konqueror. All much better. |
| 16:20.24 | PEACEYAL | ya |
| 16:20.25 | findme | karsten, some of the songs are not playing have to get it |
| 16:20.26 | PEACEYAL | firefox owns |
| 16:20.27 | nullvoid | findme: use mozilla-firefoz |
| 16:20.27 | PEACEYAL | ! |
| 16:20.35 | nullvoid | findme: use mozilla-firefox |
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| 16:20.38 | MrP | What would cause this error? ++: /usr/lib/libGL.so: No such file or directory |
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| 16:20.39 | flixil | Holas |
| 16:20.44 | MrP | There is a file there |
| 16:20.49 | karsten | findme: A web browser isn't an audio player. |
| 16:20.50 | findme | some sites are not playing the music with firefox |
| 16:20.54 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: boot with linux26 instead of hitting enter at initial boot, had similar trouble with acpi and lack of apm support |
| 16:20.56 | mrex | sussidio: eh? (is that a unsmiley face? - sorry, not used to irc) |
| 16:20.59 | valdyn | MrP: usiong nvidia's installer |
| 16:21.16 | karsten | findme: Some sites are fucked. Complain to webmaster@site and get on with your life. |
| 16:21.18 | nbr1lamer309 | also, if your are an IE nut, try Enigma, has a zoom feature, slick for Web Cam Viewing |
| 16:21.19 | sussudio | mrex: no, it's a redirection sign. you're supposed to pipe the patchfile into patch. like patch -blabluh < patchfile |
| 16:21.24 | Nic | are there funny things to do in debian ? |
| 16:21.28 | sussudio | !seen pigs |
| 16:21.28 | dpkg | sussudio: i haven't seen 'pigs' |
| 16:21.30 | findme | k, thanks guys |
| 16:21.32 | MrP | valdyn: how can I fix it? |
| 16:21.36 | karsten | !saturday |
| 16:21.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
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| 16:21.53 | mrex | sussudio: thanks!! |
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| 16:22.58 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: please keep it on main, just type linux26 and hit enter at the initial netinstall prompt |
| 16:22.58 | valdyn | MrP: did you use nvidias installer? |
| 16:22.58 | PEACEYAL | ooh ok |
| 16:22.58 | PEACEYAL | tell me |
| 16:22.58 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
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| 16:22.58 | MrP | valdyn: yes |
| 16:22.58 | zeo33x | hi there, does anyone know where gtk get its fonts from? |
| 16:22.58 | PEACEYAL | lol |
| 16:22.58 | mwilson | MrP: There's a file there, or there's a symlink there? |
| 16:22.58 | karsten | !tell PEACEYAL about enter |
| 16:22.58 | valdyn | MrP: it has an uninstall feature, use it |
| 16:22.58 | sussudio | zeo33x: a small shop on the corner of 2nd and 3rd |
| 16:22.58 | paulswm | !lart PEACEYAL |
| 16:22.58 | dvsnetdude | xorg.conf |
| 16:22.58 | zeo33x | sussudio: omfg you're back |
| 16:22.58 | PEACEYAL | ok thanx all hope this worx |
| 16:23.06 | valdyn | MrP: then '/msg dpkg nvidia' |
| 16:23.42 | dvsnetdude | zeo33x /usr/share/fonts |
| 16:23.50 | valdyn | MrP: someone said just rm -r /usr/bin/tls would fix it too, but you dont really dont want to do that imo |
| 16:24.06 | MrP | valdyn: Where is the uninstall feature at? o_0 |
| 16:24.08 | dvsnetdude | zeo33x xorg.conf xf86config-4 |
| 16:24.10 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: that'll run the installer in a 2.6 linux kernel, might fix your temperature problems, although cleaning the fans, vacuuming will help. |
| 16:24.10 | asg | Nic: apt-get install cowsay ; echo 'meh' | cowsay -f stimpy |
| 16:24.25 | Phated | -f tux! |
| 16:24.34 | Nic | asg: thanks, it looks great |
| 16:24.48 | valdyn | MrP: try ./NVIDIA-<whateverinstaller> --help |
| 16:24.53 | asg | Nic: apt-get install funny-manpages asr-manpages ; man uubp |
| 16:24.53 | Phated | Nic: Simpler yet... apt-get moo. |
| 16:24.54 | MrP | ok |
| 16:25.11 | paulswm | It's not like it's impossible to take a laptop apart |
| 16:25.12 | mwilson | Amazingly enough, the nvidia installer actually has documentation. Of course, the people that need to read it almost universally think they're too special to do so. |
| 16:25.49 | zeo33x | dvsnetdude: what about pango and thatd defoma stuff? i thought gtk get its font from whatever pango says is there |
| 16:25.55 | PEACEYAL | ok vut takatumi i alreayd installed teh system but im in teh part where i have t select teh htttp and when i restart i have t select teh os ( which is teh boot menu i guess ) and then i press c foir a command line and type linux26 but sass unrecognized commmand? |
| 16:25.59 | PEACEYAL | but* |
| 16:26.11 | Nic | asg: uubp ? |
| 16:26.17 | asg | !uubp |
| 16:26.17 | dpkg | methinks uubp is Unix-to-Unix beer protocol |
| 16:26.19 | paulswm | mwilson: you would never guess it from the 50 nvidia questions per hour |
| 16:26.22 | MrP | mwilson: Did I know that it was part of that file? no. Quit being such an ass |
| 16:26.26 | mwilson | Ok, would you PLEASE stop misspelling "the" on purpose? It just makes you look stupid. |
| 16:26.27 | Phated | PEACEYAL: linux26 is for the install... |
| 16:26.43 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 16:26.45 | Nic | asg: :) |
| 16:26.48 | herodes | how can i determine kernel image to load from console grup?? |
| 16:26.52 | PEACEYAL | ok il try |
| 16:26.58 | herodes | *grub |
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| 16:27.06 | mwilson | MrP: Was I referring to whatever help might be in the installer itself? Or the remarkably complete documentation that was right next to that installer on nVidia's web site? |
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| 16:27.11 | asg | herodes: kernel <TAB> |
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| 16:27.28 | asg | herodes: unless your 'root (hdX,Y)' setting is incorrect |
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| 16:27.58 | MrP | mwilson: How did I know that the GL file was related at all to the fact that I installed Nvidia drivers? I didn't. |
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| 16:28.16 | mwilson | MrP: Because you couldn't be bothered to read. |
| 16:28.19 | MrP | mwilson: And why read documentation when there are actually people nice enough to answer it |
| 16:28.24 | Nic | it seems cowsay doesnt work |
| 16:28.31 | asg | Nic: did you install it? |
| 16:28.32 | Phated | Oh that's a fucking awesome attitude. |
| 16:28.34 | resiak | MrP: You seem to miss the fact that we don't want to do your reading for you. |
| 16:28.41 | Nic | asg: sure |
| 16:28.43 | asg | Phated: s/awesome/standard/ *sigh* |
| 16:28.47 | paulswm | MrP: that was a really dumb thing to say in here |
| 16:28.48 | idnar | Phated: I'm still trying to come up with a suitable reply, and I'm really struggling |
| 16:28.49 | asg | Nic: how are you trying to run in? |
| 16:28.50 | resiak | MrP: Anything that we know, we had to learn. Why shouldn't you go and do some research for a while? |
| 16:28.52 | Phated | asg: Yeah yeah. |
| 16:28.52 | asg | s/in/it/ |
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| 16:28.54 | scarynetworkguy | !tell MrP aobut smart questions |
| 16:28.56 | Phated | idnar: I know. |
| 16:29.01 | valdyn | MrP: good point, i should answer such questions w/ rtfm then |
| 16:29.01 | resiak | !tell scarynetworkguy about speeling. |
| 16:29.10 | scarynetworkguy | resiak: Heh. |
| 16:29.13 | Nic | asg: I try cowsay -f stimpy but it just stays. I'm trying in a term |
| 16:29.27 | asg | Nic: type something and hit CTRL+D when you are done |
| 16:29.31 | resiak | !speeling is dificlut. |
| 16:29.32 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 16:29.32 | asg | Nic: it reads from stdin by default |
| 16:29.34 | SquareRt | scarynetworkguy: aobut?? |
| 16:29.44 | asg | Nic: alternately, cowsay -f stimpy </some/smallish/file |
| 16:29.45 | scarynetworkguy | SquareRt: Yeah yeah. |
| 16:29.46 | Nic | asg: thanks, it works :) |
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| 16:30.22 | paulswm | hey, any C programmers here, I'm writing a program but I won't have to bother if you'll do it for me |
| 16:30.25 | asg | Nic: now you can attach cows to your email and be the envy of Outlook users everywhere |
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| 16:30.33 | asg | paulswm: #c |
| 16:30.34 | Nic | asg: :) |
| 16:30.36 | resiak | paulswm: I hope that you're joking. |
| 16:30.38 | SquareRt | scarynetworkguy: like libao2? |
| 16:30.48 | Phated | asg: And annoy every Linux user who's seen them a million times. |
| 16:30.57 | paulswm | resiak: yes, of course |
| 16:30.59 | Nic | asg: I don't need ctrl-d if I add a msg like : cowsay -f stimpy Hi |
| 16:31.14 | asg | Phated: the novelty wears off after a while |
| 16:31.20 | Phated | asg: It does. |
| 16:31.21 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed it does. |
| 16:31.21 | asg | Nic: that also |
| 16:31.28 | SquareRt | phated: instead... add 'apt-get moo' into your sig script... much more exclusive lol |
| 16:31.35 | SquareRt | oops... there's that lol again... sigh |
| 16:31.36 | SquareRt | !lol |
| 16:31.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 16:31.44 | uar | Anybody know a good router/firewall software ore live cd?... My plan is to make a router on my debian server that can handle my network |
| 16:31.44 | Nic | apt-get moo works aswell :) |
| 16:31.49 | Phated | SquareRt: You do know that's an old, old, OLD joke among the debian crowd. :) |
| 16:31.58 | SquareRt | phated: apt-get moo? |
| 16:32.02 | Phated | Yeah. |
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| 16:32.10 | Phated | !moo |
| 16:32.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 16:32.14 | Phated | There. |
| 16:32.20 | SquareRt | phated: indeed... but it should go right over the heads of those fedora users etc |
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| 16:32.48 | Phated | Half of them have probably used debian once and then got "turned away" by #debian... </snark> |
| 16:32.55 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
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| 16:33.31 | jamesm__ | Can anyone explain how dh_shlibdeps works out what revision of a library is required for a package? |
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| 16:34.06 | asg | jamesm__: probably by running ldd on the resultant binaries (guess) |
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| 16:34.22 | PEACEYAL | oh well hoep this worx tahnx all |
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| 16:34.39 | PEACEYAL | gah stupid keyboard im not used to |
| 16:34.39 | herodes | how can i make boot disk? |
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| 16:35.16 | asg | herodes: man mkboot |
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| 16:35.45 | jamesm__ | asg: that doesn't enable it to work out the safe versions of the libraries package that can be installed htough, but it is the first step... |
| 16:36.03 | asg | jamesm__: you could look at the code for it to get a better idea |
| 16:36.14 | jamesm__ | asg: I've been doing that for the last 35 minutes, and got nowhere :) |
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| 16:36.45 | asg | jamesm__: heh |
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| 16:37.39 | racquad | hi there, I have a doubt about MAT Exim.... |
| 16:37.40 | asg | !tell irc__ about root |
| 16:37.42 | Nic | asg: how do I see the manpages it has installed ? |
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| 16:37.45 | PEACEYAL | wow i think its working |
| 16:37.48 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 16:37.52 | asg | Nic: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep man |
| 16:37.52 | racquad | can anybody help me? |
| 16:37.53 | RichiH | hey asg |
| 16:38.00 | asg | RichiH: hiya, how are things today? |
| 16:38.02 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 16:38.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 16:38.06 | RichiH | asg: great, thanks |
| 16:38.10 | Nic | asg: thx |
| 16:38.11 | asg | RichiH: glad to hear it |
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| 16:38.19 | RichiH | asg: came back from canada just the other day |
| 16:38.19 | racquad | I want to know why does Exim hang on boot on the boot process when I have no Internet connection |
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| 16:38.21 | RichiH | asg: you? |
| 16:38.28 | PEACEYAL | gah now i gotta wait 3 hours |
| 16:38.32 | RichiH | racquad: i have that from time to time, too |
| 16:38.34 | asg | RichiH: doing well, haven't been to Canada yet :) |
| 16:38.41 | asg | RichiH: hope you had a good time |
| 16:38.43 | RichiH | racquad: never could quite figure out why :( |
| 16:38.53 | RichiH | asg: one of the best times in my life |
| 16:38.57 | jamesm__ | racquad: Sounds like it's waiting for a DNS request to timeout |
| 16:39.00 | asg | RichiH: cool |
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| 16:39.19 | racquad | richih: thats very boring, because I use debian on my laptop and sometimes I get pissed on the boot :P |
| 16:39.22 | takatumi | PEACEYAL: http://qref.sourceforge.net/ while you're at it. |
| 16:39.46 | racquad | jamesm_: that's sound to me too, but is there any way we can get rid of it? |
| 16:40.05 | herodes | [root@NODO1 root]# mkbootdisk /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 |
| 16:40.05 | herodes | /lib/modules//boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10 is not a directory. |
| 16:40.07 | asg | racquad: then disable it from starting at boot, have cron do the queue runner |
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| 16:40.59 | herodes | asg: help me? |
| 16:41.50 | RichiH | asg: :) |
| 16:41.56 | RichiH | asg: so, what you been up to? |
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| 16:42.44 | asg | RichiH: busy, the new semester started at school on Monday so we've been dealing with the standard issues we always have when students come back from break. |
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| 16:42.51 | Zalamander | Hello |
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| 16:43.25 | Humanoid | What packages should I install to get ALSA working. I loaded up the proper alsa driver for my soundcard, and installed the libasound2 package (as recommended by the xmms package). But it's not working. |
| 16:43.30 | RichiH | asg: as usual :) |
| 16:43.52 | bob2 | Humanoid: 'not working'? |
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| 16:44.21 | resiak | Humanoid: Is it muted? |
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| 16:45.05 | valentinos | i want to setup gnome / firestarter on a pc with no internet connection |
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| 16:45.21 | valentinos | any idea whatg cds i have to download? |
| 16:45.33 | Humanoid | xmms gives me an error saying "couldn't open audio". (as well as other errors such as "attaching to mixer hw:0 failed" |
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| 16:46.01 | Humanoid | Is there an easy way to test the sound from the command line? Like for OSS testing, I just copied an audio file to /dev/dsp and it worked. |
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| 16:46.10 | asg | RichiH: yeah :) |
| 16:46.16 | PEACEYAL | gah crap |
| 16:46.21 | PEACEYAL | i got 3 errorsd so far\ |
| 16:46.24 | Delph | Humanoid: similar things will work. |
| 16:46.29 | PEACEYAL | oh well ill download thise packages l8er |
| 16:46.41 | asg | herodes: why do you need to make a boot disk? |
| 16:46.49 | Delph | cat /dev/random > /dev/snd/something and if your soundcard goes "pop" then the driver's working. |
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| 16:47.51 | dbron | Hi all, I forgot the command to see what process is using a port... It is like lsof but different |
| 16:47.57 | asg | dbron: fuser |
| 16:47.58 | Humanoid | Delph: The problem must be that I don't have the /dev/snd/* devices. How do I get them there? |
| 16:48.04 | dbron | asg: oh yea |
| 16:48.10 | dbron | asg: thanks |
| 16:48.14 | asg | dbron: you're welcome |
| 16:48.24 | dlight | question: i installed the openbox wm, someone knows how to run it each time i do startx? |
| 16:48.35 | bbhill | edit your xinitrc |
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| 16:48.38 | asg | dlight: echo /usr/bin/openbox > ~/.xsession |
| 16:48.38 | bbhill | add exec openbox |
| 16:48.38 | Phated | dlight: startx /usr/bin/openbox |
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| 16:48.55 | dlight | ok, will try that, thanks |
| 16:49.18 | citral | Humanoid: install alsa-ase and alsa-utils |
| 16:49.25 | citral | alsa-base |
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| 16:51.04 | drac | Humanoid: and udev |
| 16:51.15 | citral | no! |
| 16:51.18 | drac | no? |
| 16:51.21 | citral | no |
| 16:51.25 | drac | why not? |
| 16:51.36 | citral | because udev is a piece of shit |
| 16:51.39 | takatumi | udev works fine here. |
| 16:51.43 | drac | here too. |
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| 16:52.00 | Zalamander | when installing sarge, is it enough to run "apt-setup" to configure my apt sources, or are there other source lists somewhere that it would be good to know about? |
| 16:52.05 | Nic | how can we manage the services that are launched at boot ? it's very easy in arch and gentoo. It would be nice to have the same in debian (same for ubuntu) |
| 16:52.11 | asg | Zalamander: apt-setup is enough |
| 16:52.21 | asg | Nic: man update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 16:52.54 | citral | drac: queryts udev gives some interresting infos |
| 16:52.55 | Zalamander | asg thanks. If I include a non-U.S. source, is that enough to allow me to install export restricted stuff, like openssl? |
| 16:53.04 | citral | fuck my b key |
| 16:53.32 | scarynetworkguy | Zalamander: Export from where? |
| 16:53.37 | Phated | !fuck citral's b key |
| 16:53.44 | citral | heh |
| 16:53.46 | Phated | Hmmm... |
| 16:53.52 | Phated | dpkg: test |
| 16:53.53 | dpkg | No, phated, you're not online any more. |
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| 16:54.04 | Zalamander | scarynetworkguy from U.S.A to the rest of the world -- cryptographic things are illegal to export, so U.S. mirrors can't distribute them legally. |
| 16:54.12 | Phated | Woo. Something wicked this way comes. |
| 16:54.18 | Zalamander | some* cryptographic things |
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| 16:54.30 | scarynetworkguy | Zalamander: Right so since the non-us mirrors are outside of the US you are not exporting anything. |
| 16:54.31 | Phated | Zalamander: The non-us sources are, of course, located outside the US... What do you mean by "export"? |
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| 16:55.00 | Nic | asg: very nice :) it's the firt time I meet a so helpful guy there, don't know how to thank you |
| 16:55.13 | Phated | Ohh, what you mean is to be able to install export-restricted stuff... Yes, Zalamander, you can. |
| 16:55.15 | Zalamander | um, I didn't say I wanted to export anything, please re-read my question |
| 16:55.19 | citral | Nic: with money |
| 16:55.23 | Phated | See above. |
| 16:55.24 | Zalamander | thank you phated |
| 16:55.39 | findme_ | is there a frontend to record sound which splits files based on time or length ? |
| 16:55.40 | takatumi | Nic: tell arstechnica that. |
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| 16:55.53 | asg | Nic: you're welcome, asking smart questions is all the thanks we ever need. |
| 16:56.02 | ro_ | any good linux bootdisks that understand how to write ntfs properly? rescue disk type for molesting windows xp partitions? |
| 16:56.15 | Phated | See... #debian is nice... As long as you're not an idiot. :| |
| 16:56.22 | bob2 | ro_: none |
| 16:56.25 | scarynetworkguy | Yes we are. |
| 16:56.26 | citral | findme_: gnusound does it I think |
| 16:56.28 | cahoot | findme: I guess you will find what you want with ecasound |
| 16:56.29 | bbhill | <-- Idiot |
| 16:56.34 | bob2 | ro_: if you're more specific, there may be a hack |
| 16:56.41 | findme_ | cahoot, citral , ok. thanks |
| 16:56.44 | Phated | bbhill: In a different sense of the word. |
| 16:56.50 | ro_ | bob2, well im not averse to compiling my own kernel and using syslinux, just that id rather not |
| 16:56.52 | Zalamander | Well, no one except idiots has ever accused me of being an idiot |
| 16:57.05 | bob2 | ro_: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:57.16 | scarynetworkguy | Zalamander: BTW I misread your question. Sorry. |
| 16:57.32 | ro_ | bob2, considering the fact that its for my friend who is 14, doesnt understand all this stuff well, and has infected his computer with a load of adware that cant be deleted |
| 16:57.42 | Zalamander | scarynetworkguy accepted, thanks :-) |
| 16:57.45 | bob2 | ro_: can't be deleted? |
| 16:57.48 | ro_ | bob2, he tells me he has an sdbot that wont be deleted |
| 16:57.48 | scarynetworkguy | Zalamander: NP. |
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| 16:57.53 | ro_ | bob2, yeah an exe |
| 16:57.55 | Phated | ro_: Tried sptboy S&D? |
| 16:58.00 | Phated | Er... spybot. |
| 16:58.05 | bob2 | ro_: that's bizarre |
| 16:58.08 | ro_ | Phated, yes he has and adaware per my suggestion |
| 16:58.12 | Phated | Ahh. |
| 16:58.19 | bob2 | windows has a while to go before it has that level of ease-of-use |
| 16:58.20 | ro_ | bob2, i think its running and wont quit, even after reboot |
| 16:58.20 | Phated | Screw that, install Debian on it. :) |
| 16:58.21 | bbhill | Phated: I know you told me this last night, but could you repeat the name of the weather program your using again? The dock one? |
| 16:58.22 | bob2 | for exploiters |
| 16:58.27 | ro_ | Phated, totally =) |
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| 16:58.30 | Phated | bbhill: Oh, sure. wmweather. |
| 16:58.33 | bbhill | Now that i'm not drunk im going to try it. |
| 16:58.37 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Have him try spybot in "Safe Mode". I've seen that work where the other has failed. |
| 16:58.38 | Phated | Haha. |
| 16:58.39 | bbhill | Thanks |
| 16:58.40 | ro_ | its just that its for this kid |
| 16:58.54 | Phated | bbhill: You'll need to look up your weather station and stuff too. It's not hard to google for. :) |
| 16:58.57 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, thanks for the suggestion, i'll have him go at it |
| 16:59.03 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Coolness. |
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| 16:59.16 | gflex | can virtual ftp users be connected through ssl/tls ? hmm |
| 16:59.18 | appaji | I am struggling in getting the same alsa configuration to run with a 2.4 and a 2.6 kernel. Is this not possible? |
| 16:59.20 | bbhill | Yeah it's giving me weather for Dresden Germany :P |
| 16:59.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah you hush. #weather. Shoo. |
| 16:59.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. |
| 16:59.34 | bob2 | appaji: what's there to configure? |
| 16:59.34 | Phated | bbhill: And where do you live? |
| 16:59.36 | appaji | The 2.6 alsa config works quite fine, but the same thing doesn't work for 2.4 |
| 16:59.41 | bbhill | Phated: Washington DC |
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| 16:59.44 | bbhill | USA |
| 16:59.44 | Phated | bbhill: HAHA |
| 17:00.08 | appaji | I've installed the 2.4.27 alsa modules but alsaconfig fails when it tries to load the snd-intel8x0 module. |
| 17:00.11 | ro_ | apart from all that, out of curiousity (ive been out of the linux scene for maybe 1-2 years) what is the preferred tool for playing with winxp ntfs partitions? |
| 17:00.12 | PEACEYAL | gah evry four donwload the headers dont swork |
| 17:00.14 | PEACEYAL | weird |
| 17:00.28 | Phated | ro_: WinXP. |
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| 17:00.37 | appaji | bob2: a plain insmod (or modprobe) of snd-intel8x0 fails. |
| 17:00.39 | Phated | Because it looks, works, and feels like a toy. |
| 17:00.39 | ro_ | Phated, im guessing thats tongue in cheek |
| 17:00.40 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: I don't know what youre doing but 'download the headers' sounds wrong, whatever it is |
| 17:00.47 | Phated | ro_: See above. |
| 17:00.48 | bob2 | appaji: don't use insmod, at all. 'fails' = ? |
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| 17:00.54 | bob2 | error message? |
| 17:00.57 | couggg | hello |
| 17:00.59 | nullvoid | thanks and bye all |
| 17:01.04 | appaji | bob2: fails = unresolved symbols. |
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| 17:01.09 | ro_ | Phated, hmm, preferred linux based tool for editing ntfs? |
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| 17:01.19 | bob2 | appaji: you (or whoever) built the modules wrong |
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| 17:01.36 | Phated | ro_: Wine? :D Dunno. I've removed all Windowsy things from this computer. :) And never used NTFS. |
| 17:01.39 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: There is none. At least no good ones. NTFS is pretty much read only at this point. |
| 17:01.42 | bob2 | appaji: let me guess...you built them against an unpacked kernel source which was not the same source tree you built your custom kernel from? |
| 17:01.45 | appaji | bob2: I am using the alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 package |
| 17:01.51 | couggg | i get a problem ... i make the install and hit ask me a login and a password. but i didnt give it before. is it a standar login and pass? |
| 17:01.56 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, thats what i was afraid of... same state a few years back unfortunately |
| 17:01.56 | bob2 | appaji: with which kernel? |
| 17:01.57 | PEACEYAL | <bob2> PEACEYAL: I don't know what youre doing but 'download the headers' sounds wrong, whatever it is, lol i mean im downlaoding teh packageing but evry 4 downloads it doesnt download one and gives an erro and goes to teh next one |
| 17:02.09 | ro_ | Phated, no problem thanks anyhow |
| 17:02.11 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Yep. |
| 17:02.18 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: oh, 'apt-get update'? |
| 17:02.26 | PEACEYAL | ya |
| 17:02.27 | bob2 | couggg: of course not |
| 17:02.35 | Phated | ro_: "All tongue-in-cheek, all the time. Humour makes your life better! Pay Phated." |
| 17:02.40 | ro_ | whenever winxp is required i usually stick to fat32 simply for ease of recovery, almost all tools grok it |
| 17:02.42 | bob2 | couggg: you don't remember what you set it as? |
| 17:02.45 | couggg | why does he ask me to give one so? |
| 17:02.46 | appaji | bob2: No. kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686 and alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 |
| 17:02.51 | PEACEYAL | i chose the ftp.us.debian.org http mirror |
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| 17:03.03 | bob2 | couggg: whoever installed it gave it a username and password |
| 17:03.05 | bob2 | couggg: ask them |
| 17:03.07 | ro_ | hey hey Virusmaster! |
| 17:03.11 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: sounds like a local network problem |
| 17:03.14 | bob2 | appaji: hrm, that is weird |
| 17:03.24 | valdyn | ro_: google for ntfs.sys linux wrapper, thats the most funktional thing that exists i think |
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| 17:03.30 | couggg | how.? |
| 17:03.32 | PEACEYAL | nah its downlaoding properly but teh fifth package not and teh 10th no and so on |
| 17:03.35 | ro_ | valdyn, many thanks for the tip, i'll search for it |
| 17:03.39 | Phated | valdyn: Emphasis on "funk"? :) |
| 17:04.01 | valdyn | Phated: actually, i meant functional |
| 17:04.02 | simonrvn | a question mark is also punctuation. no need for the period |
| 17:04.03 | bbhill | Phated: For me, wmweather -s kiad.. Figured it out. Cool little program. :) |
| 17:04.06 | Virusmaster | ro_: yes? |
| 17:04.11 | appaji | bob2: snd-intel8x0 fails because insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/updates/alsa/snd-page-alloc.o failed (which has unresolved symbols mem_map_Rdb8be4fa,create_proc_entry_Ra185990c etc. |
| 17:04.19 | couggg | my last login and pass does not work |
| 17:04.23 | ro_ | Virusmaster, by any chance is that you dave? |
| 17:04.23 | laust | I have a problem with xmms with some files: it shows the name right for a second, then shows gibberish.. Anyone has an idea? |
| 17:04.24 | bob2 | appaji: what does 'uname -r' print out? |
| 17:04.31 | Phated | bbhill: Oh yeah. You can do all sorts of finky things with it, but you don't need to use metric and all that stuff. :) |
| 17:04.34 | Phated | Er, funky. |
| 17:04.38 | Virusmaster | ro_: uhm... no? |
| 17:04.40 | appaji | bob2: :) 2.4.27-1-686 |
| 17:04.42 | Phated | valdyn: I'm an opportunist. :) |
| 17:04.44 | scarynetworkguy | But all good people use metric. |
| 17:04.46 | bob2 | appaji: hm |
| 17:04.48 | ro_ | Virusmaster sorry dude |
| 17:04.57 | Virusmaster | ro_: k =) |
| 17:04.57 | couggg | what is nato? |
| 17:05.04 | bob2 | !+nato |
| 17:05.09 | scarynetworkguy | couggg: Ask google. |
| 17:05.13 | Virusmaster | north atlantic treaty organisation? :) |
| 17:05.13 | ro_ | valdyn, thats actually pretty neat, what a cool hack using ntfs.sys =))) |
| 17:05.23 | sussudio | !doe couggg |
| 17:05.26 | Virusmaster | gone |
| 17:05.30 | appaji | bob2: what confuses me more is that I loaded the ac97_codec and the i810_audio modules and my AUX IN started "sounding" |
| 17:05.46 | PEACEYAL | bob2 it gives a 503 service unavailible error |
| 17:05.48 | appaji | bob2: but it did not stop if I unloaded them *confused* |
| 17:05.56 | bob2 | appaji: they're the OSS modules |
| 17:05.58 | Phated | Ghost in the machine! |
| 17:05.59 | couggg | after the reboot he gave me a page with nothing write in what i have to do at this moment? |
| 17:06.05 | bob2 | appaji: like a low hum? |
| 17:06.12 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: er, that's odd |
| 17:06.26 | bob2 | all the http.us.debian.org machines are on really fucking big machines afaik |
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| 17:06.30 | Phated | Speaking of apt-get... Time to dist-upgrade |
| 17:06.36 | Humanoid | citral: I got alsa working by installing alsa-base like you said. Thanks! Why is udev not good? |
| 17:06.37 | appaji | bob2: There seems to be several alsa 2.4 howtos (two in even /msg dpkg) |
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| 17:06.50 | appaji | bob2: No, not a low hum, proper sound and music. |
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| 17:07.05 | bob2 | appaji: your card works after you rmmod them? |
| 17:07.14 | bob2 | appaji: they're gone from the output of 'lsmod'? |
| 17:07.32 | appaji | bob2: Incidentally after reading one of those HOWTOs I also installed alsa-oss, some emulation layer or something. |
| 17:07.37 | rage_ | with a ps2 mouse, what should my device be? |
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| 17:07.50 | scarynetworkguy | rage_: /dev/psaux |
| 17:07.50 | Phated | /dev/psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 17:07.50 | bob2 | rage_: on 2.4, /dev/psaux, on 2.6, /dev/input/mice |
| 17:07.52 | zumbi | which what program could i convert *.WMA to *.MP3 ? |
| 17:07.55 | bob2 | too slow |
| 17:07.56 | appaji | bob2: yes, it does. Removed ac97_coded, i810 and i810_audio. |
| 17:07.57 | bob2 | zumbi: mplayer |
| 17:07.58 | PEACEYAL | ok ill try and donwload fom another source |
| 17:08.03 | bob2 | appaji: that's insane |
| 17:08.27 | ro_ | ffmpeg doesnt release often official packages, whats the method of packaging for debian users? |
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| 17:08.46 | bob2 | ro_: the debian maintainers takes random cvs snapshots |
| 17:08.57 | rage_ | interesting, I have neither... and just noticed no mouse info in my dmesg after I rebooted |
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| 17:09.06 | appaji | bob2: I can't run alsamixer (with or without those modules) and the error I get is "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 17:09.07 | ro_ | bob2, cool |
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| 17:09.19 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: Really? /me thinks his humour meter is acting up this morning. |
| 17:09.22 | Phated | rage_: modprobe mousedev, psmouse, and the like. |
| 17:09.24 | appaji | bob2: that is because alsamixer tried to open several /dev files that did not exist. I straced it. |
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| 17:09.58 | ro_ | valdyn, fyi, Captive has problems accessing NTFS used by Windows XP Service Pack 2 installations, according to the German magazine c't. from http://forums.invisionpower.com/lofiversion/index.php/t159516.html |
| 17:09.58 | appaji | takatumi: Hello :) |
| 17:09.58 | bob2 | appaji: yeah, it'll be wanting /dev/snd/mixer, which won't exist (if you're using devfs) or be useful (with static /dev) until the alsa modules are loaded |
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| 17:10.14 | takatumi | appaji: hello ;) |
| 17:10.40 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: What do you need to do to this NTFS disk? |
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| 17:10.58 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, now im just being curious as to the state of read/write ntfs |
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| 17:10.59 | appaji | bob2: No devfs. But loading the alsa module itself fails :( Infact, I did not try anything funny. I did a alsaconfig and left everything to the script. |
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| 17:11.15 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, told the kid to do spybot in safe mode, so im waiting on that |
| 17:11.15 | bob2 | appaji: that's very odd |
| 17:11.22 | appaji | bob2: Err, what do you mean by the alsa module? I hope you mean snd-intel8x0? |
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| 17:11.32 | bob2 | appaji: wait |
| 17:11.44 | appaji | takatumi: The machine behaves these days. I am on unstable now :) |
| 17:11.53 | bob2 | appaji: have you run 'depmod -a', then 'modptobe snd-intel8x0'? |
| 17:12.09 | appaji | bob2: no I did not do "depmod -a" should I? |
| 17:12.09 | bob2 | ie do not use insmod |
| 17:12.20 | bob2 | the symbol error might have come from not having other modules loaded |
| 17:12.21 | takatumi | appaji: cool |
| 17:12.24 | bob2 | appaji: it's woth a shot |
| 17:12.31 | appaji | bob2: lemme try. |
| 17:12.33 | bob2 | blah, wtf does this not build in a chroot |
| 17:12.36 | PEACEYAL | bob2 wats the best mirrror on http |
| 17:12.38 | bob2 | but does in the main system |
| 17:12.38 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Ahh. This may help. I've only used it's password recovery stuff so YMMV. http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/ |
| 17:12.42 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: one near you |
| 17:12.48 | PEACEYAL | i live in uae |
| 17:12.50 | bob2 | unless you're in australia |
| 17:12.52 | PEACEYAL | there is non near me |
| 17:12.53 | PEACEYAL | :/ |
| 17:12.53 | appaji | bob2: wouldn't depmod -a be run as a part of the bootup? |
| 17:12.56 | bob2 | since all thos mirrors suck ass |
| 17:13.03 | bob2 | appaji: it should be, yes |
| 17:13.03 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, yeah i used that to reset my SAM passwd before, have it on a trusty disk here =) |
| 17:13.13 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Cool. |
| 17:13.17 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, i wonder what they're using to do write on ntfs tho |
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| 17:13.31 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, ive been out of the desktop linux scene, not so much for recovery and server side =) |
| 17:13.31 | bob2 | PEACEYAL: none in saudi arabia or turkey? |
| 17:13.31 | appaji | bob2: depmod complains of unresolved symbols in many files in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/updates/alsa/ |
| 17:14.02 | bob2 | appaji: /updates/? I haven't heard of that dir before |
| 17:14.02 | bob2 | which may or may not mean anything |
| 17:14.02 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: You might write and ask him. |
| 17:14.09 | bob2 | appaji: what does 'dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/updates/alsa/' say? |
| 17:14.30 | appaji | bob2: since I installed alsa-modules after booting up, I should've run depmod -a (or the post-install script should have done that :-/) |
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| 17:14.42 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, yeah but im going source diving first |
| 17:14.45 | bob2 | appaji: it shoul dhave, yeah |
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| 17:14.47 | appaji | bob2: Err, "dpkg: /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/updates/alsa/ not found." |
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| 17:15.03 | bob2 | appaji: try it on one of the files in there |
| 17:15.19 | appaji | bob2: works |
| 17:15.23 | Led_Zeppelin | what is it called, when you assign work to a certain user thru a system? a workflow or CMS or something else? |
| 17:15.24 | appaji | bob2: alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686: /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/updates/alsa/snd-intel8x0.o |
| 17:15.29 | bob2 | appaji: hrm |
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| 17:16.41 | Phated | Led_Zeppelin: It's called being annoying, just EMAIL the guy. |
| 17:16.43 | ribnitz | Led_Zeppelin: What do want to do? |
| 17:16.46 | Phated | :) |
| 17:16.49 | appaji | sigh! no bugs. |
| 17:17.01 | Led_Zeppelin | Phated, lol |
| 17:17.07 | ribnitz | Led_Zeppelin: or do you mean virtual slavery? |
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| 17:17.13 | Phated | I mean, sheesh. |
| 17:17.20 | ribnitz | Greets to Signapore. |
| 17:17.33 | Phated | Spell it right, damnit. |
| 17:17.51 | Led_Zeppelin | ribnitz, well, we are in need of a system, when a problem arises we want to assign it to a certain user. |
| 17:18.05 | Phated | Led_Zeppelin: That's called scapegoating. |
| 17:18.10 | mwilson | He means he wants a trouble-ticket system. |
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| 17:18.17 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, the gall of it... some people sell that xp passwd recovery disk on ebay and then send the customers to the project maintainer for support! |
| 17:18.18 | ribnitz | Led_Zeppelin: do you mean a bugtracking system? |
| 17:18.19 | Zalamander | Led_Zeppelin check out "roundup" it's very nice |
| 17:18.22 | Led_Zeppelin | mwilson, hmm right. |
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| 17:18.27 | bob2 | or request tracker |
| 17:18.33 | bob2 | or bugzilla if you hate your users |
| 17:18.35 | Led_Zeppelin | Scarab look nicer |
| 17:18.36 | ribnitz | Phated: "that country at the southern tip of malaysia"? |
| 17:18.37 | Led_Zeppelin | *nice |
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| 17:18.42 | Led_Zeppelin | lol, okay. |
| 17:18.43 | Led_Zeppelin | thanks |
| 17:18.44 | we2by | Zalamander, didn't know you are in here too |
| 17:18.44 | Phated | ribnitz: Hmph. |
| 17:18.46 | appaji | bob2: I don't use discover BTW, does that piece of info help? |
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| 17:18.53 | we2by | thought u were only a slack geek |
| 17:19.02 | Zalamander | we2by I never have been before today :-) |
| 17:19.06 | Nexus | I've got a pair of problems. First, I updated some packages on my server and now nagios no longer works because it has issues putting things in the database. Second, I installed webmin, but can't access it (gives me permission denied) |
| 17:19.08 | bob2 | appaji: I don't think it's related |
| 17:19.14 | appaji | bob2: though dpkg told me to use that for 2.6 (and not for 2.4), and alsa with 2.6 works quite fine. |
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| 17:19.24 | bob2 | appaji: ew, don't use discover on 2.6 |
| 17:19.25 | toresbe | heygys |
| 17:19.29 | we2by | how come you decided to join #debian? |
| 17:19.31 | ribnitz | Phated: speling is difficult, you should know that. |
| 17:19.35 | appaji | bob2: I don't. |
| 17:19.35 | bob2 | appaji: just use hotplug, it'll handle module loading for you |
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| 17:19.40 | toresbe | typingfro an actulygreenscreen |
| 17:19.42 | bob2 | appaji: right |
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| 17:19.51 | appaji | but "/msg dpkg alsa 2.6" recommends it. |
| 17:19.54 | asg | toresbe: and not very well at that |
| 17:19.58 | toresbe | the keyboard is slightly borkenborke |
| 17:20.07 | Zalamander | we2by I decided to explore debian a bit given the tumultuous state of Slack right now. |
| 17:20.10 | toresbe | and it doesn't speak full VT100 |
| 17:20.12 | Phated | toresbe: ftlog just go to a better system. |
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| 17:20.15 | asg | toresbe: and apparently swedish |
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| 17:20.18 | Phated | ribnitz: Right. |
| 17:20.18 | ribnitz | Phated: how was the holidays? |
| 17:20.19 | paulswm | hi toresbe |
| 17:20.27 | bob2 | appaji: I'll have to fix that sometime |
| 17:20.29 | bob2 | appaji: or you can |
| 17:20.32 | appaji | bob2: I suspect snd-page-alloc.o hasn't been compiled ok. But I wonder why nobody has faced this problem. |
| 17:20.36 | Phated | ribnitz: Still going on, my good man. |
| 17:20.37 | toresbe | paul_2_wtf where is tab on thiskb |
| 17:20.38 | rage_ | Phated thanks |
| 17:20.44 | bob2 | appaji: yeah, it is odd |
| 17:20.49 | Phated | rage_: For? |
| 17:20.54 | rage_ | how do I get it to modprobe my mouse on boot though? it was doing it before |
| 17:20.54 | appaji | bob2: I am afraid I don't have permissions to do that. Usually greycat or someone does it when ppl talk about it in here. |
| 17:20.57 | ribnitz | Phated: lucky you. No wage slave yet. |
| 17:21.04 | rage_ | phated late responce for your suggestion |
| 17:21.07 | Phated | rage_: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 17:21.16 | rage_ | ah duh, thanks again |
| 17:21.17 | Phated | rage_: Ah, it worked, then? Excellent. |
| 17:21.25 | bob2 | appaji: anyone can change any factoid |
| 17:21.25 | Phated | ribnitz: I know. :) |
| 17:21.28 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, its a handrolled ntfs minimalist implementation, with writeback errors last year that are now fixed |
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| 17:21.40 | appaji | bob2: I'll go check archived bug reports on alsa-modules. Just in case it has been fixed in sid and not uploaded to sarge (for some reason or the other). |
| 17:21.40 | toresbe | and something seems to be failing inside this monster |
| 17:21.40 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Cool. |
| 17:21.55 | bob2 | appaji: bugs do get closed when the packages hit sid, btw |
| 17:21.56 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, i guess there is just very little demand for ntfs writing |
| 17:22.02 | paulswm | toresbe: I'm not sure what machine you're using but possible solution is: go to paper tape punch, punch what you want to say, then feed through paper tape reader, heh |
| 17:22.05 | bob2 | appaji: so the bug could be reported, closed, but not have been fixed in sarge |
| 17:22.07 | toresbe | paulswm: hey |
| 17:22.12 | bob2 | appaji: good luck |
| 17:22.29 | appaji | bob2: Oh. I thought they are tagged as "sarge"? |
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| 17:22.33 | ribnitz | paulswm: aka punchcard? |
| 17:22.34 | Submarine | hi there |
| 17:22.34 | toresbe | paulswm: funnily enough, this computer has a paper tape punch/reader between the computer and the terminal :D |
| 17:22.36 | appaji | bob2: No archived reports either. |
| 17:22.43 | toresbe | paulswm: But I'm running short on tapes |
| 17:22.43 | Zalamander | we2by thing is for me -- the SlackSec group appears to actually be gaining footholds in the official distribution, and that's not a group whose product I could comfortably use. So I'm weighing other options. |
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| 17:22.48 | Submarine | is it normal that starting smartd on Debian does not yield some /var/log/message trace? |
| 17:22.51 | paulswm | ribnitz: no, paper tape |
| 17:22.57 | bob2 | appaji: depends how vigilent the maintainer is |
| 17:22.58 | ro_ | scarynetworkguy, lots more write-capable ntfs drivers for dos, i think i'll stick with that for recovery |
| 17:23.03 | ro_ | well take care y'all |
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| 17:23.08 | appaji | bob2: I will file a bug now on this. |
| 17:23.12 | scarynetworkguy | ro_: Yeppers. |
| 17:23.14 | we2by | Zalamander, I see |
| 17:23.16 | mwilson | Submarine: Is there some reason why it should? |
| 17:23.18 | ro_ | thanks for all the fish =) |
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| 17:23.27 | we2by | to me, it doesn't really matter what distro I use |
| 17:23.38 | appaji | bob2: Oh yea, and since this is done by the debian alsa maintainers, and not just one person. |
| 17:23.38 | Submarine | mwilson, well, just to say "hi, I'm there, started on such and such disk"' |
| 17:23.40 | appaji | ... |
| 17:23.47 | thegraham | How could I allow root login via SSH only from certain a IP address? |
| 17:23.52 | paulswm | toresbe: then cut printer paper into strips, glue together :) |
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| 17:23.58 | mwilson | Submarine: And does it say in the documentation that it's supposed to do that? |
| 17:24.07 | toresbe | ribnitz: There were two forms of perforated paper storage - one tape and one card |
| 17:24.08 | we2by | debian is a no doubt a good distro |
| 17:24.14 | asg | thegraham: tcpwrappers, AllowUsers in sshd_config |
| 17:24.18 | toresbe | argh |
| 17:24.18 | we2by | I like the apt-get thing more than yum or swaret |
| 17:24.23 | Zalamander | we2by flexibility is good :-) I actually spend most of my time on Fedora boxes, at work. |
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| 17:24.27 | toresbe | this screen is so shaky it's making me seasick |
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| 17:24.30 | Phated | Yum is based on apt, pah. |
| 17:24.32 | bob2 | appaji: yes |
| 17:24.38 | bob2 | it is? |
| 17:24.44 | ribnitz | toresbe: was before my time. When I started they had tape backup |
| 17:24.44 | we2by | phait is? |
| 17:24.44 | Phated | Kind of, ain't it? |
| 17:24.44 | Zalamander | we2by sure, apt is the nuclear bomb of package management. |
| 17:24.46 | toresbe | *goes back to 19" Sun screen* |
| 17:24.52 | toresbe | ribnitz: Heh |
| 17:24.58 | Phated | It's something like apt4rpm, no? |
| 17:25.02 | paulswm | toresbe: well yes, a horse and cart is also shaky compered to a car :-P |
| 17:25.05 | toresbe | Zalamander: ...I'm not sure I like that comparison... :P |
| 17:25.10 | paulswm | *compared |
| 17:25.10 | we2by | Zalamander, nah. for me it does the job just fine |
| 17:25.20 | Zalamander | no I mean "Da Bomb" |
| 17:25.25 | Zalamander | as in "The Greatest" |
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| 17:25.34 | toresbe | paulswm: I mean seriously - the image shakes, something analog in there is failing |
| 17:25.35 | Zalamander | + nuclear to make it REALLY THE GREATEST |
| 17:25.42 | bob2 | it's certainly the same concept, but I don't htink it shares code |
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| 17:25.46 | toresbe | Zalamander: RPM is the nuke of package manager - it destroys everything in its path |
| 17:25.48 | Phated | As in "Blows up things and causes cancer" BAD comparison BAD. |
| 17:25.55 | Zalamander | heh |
| 17:25.55 | thegraham | asg: how would I set about using tcpwrappers + sshd config? |
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| 17:25.56 | bob2 | late night hacking in front of Family Guy++ |
| 17:26.08 | Zalamander | come on, you guys never heard the phrase "it's the bomb" ? |
| 17:26.10 | asg | thegraham: man hosts.allow, man sshd_config |
| 17:26.15 | toresbe | Zalamander: We have |
| 17:26.17 | Zalamander | ok |
| 17:26.21 | toresbe | Zalamander: But I find it silly :P |
| 17:26.22 | Phated | bob2: Sorry, my bad... I didn't mean based on like "code based on" but like... "idea based on". :) |
| 17:26.26 | paulswm | toresbe: oh, I see what you mean, that's bad news, I bet you can find an engineer to fix it though |
| 17:26.28 | ribnitz | Phated: "Looks like a mushroom when seen from afar"? |
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| 17:26.29 | trueno | Hi! Is helix a replace for realplayer= |
| 17:26.33 | bob2 | Phated: ah, right |
| 17:26.35 | toresbe | "This package manger could kill innocent people!" |
| 17:26.37 | Phated | Zalamander: Yes, we have, but nuclear bombs are agreed not to be good things. |
| 17:26.40 | Ferret | Isn't it supposed to be 'da bomb', anyhow? |
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| 17:26.57 | Ferret | Phated: So that explains why they beep them out of MTV videos! |
| 17:26.58 | Phated | True. |
| 17:26.58 | thegraham | asg: I want other users to be allowed to login from remote IP's though |
| 17:26.59 | Zalamander | Phated well, I'd argue that no real bomb is a good thing, nuclear or not |
| 17:26.59 | we2by | Phated, not to be a good thing used on humans |
| 17:27.11 | we2by | ;) |
| 17:27.12 | Phated | Good fucking god, I didn't mean for that to be taken SERIOUSLY! |
| 17:27.18 | Phated | Jesus, all of you... :) |
| 17:27.24 | Phated | Ferret: Heh. |
| 17:27.28 | we2by | do u believe in jesus? |
| 17:27.30 | Zalamander | we2by has a point -- anyone see the movie Armageddon? :-) |
| 17:27.37 | we2by | Zalamander, I did |
| 17:27.44 | Zalamander | nuclear bomb saved the world |
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| 17:27.51 | paulswm | Zalamander: or any Bennifer movie |
| 17:27.52 | we2by | a long time ago, :) |
| 17:27.56 | bob2 | and could destroy it |
| 17:28.03 | Phated | Zalamander: Regular bomb things cause property damage, and kill people. Nuclear bombs cause property damage, kill people, and cause cancer in generations of the survivors. Nuclear bomb worse. |
| 17:28.10 | hool | hmm.. if you have a 3.0r4 and want to run sarge.. you just add unstable to the apt sourcr and do a dist upgrade? |
| 17:28.16 | paulswm | Zalamander: they're all bombs I mean |
| 17:28.21 | bob2 | hool: woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable |
| 17:28.22 | asg | thegraham: then why not disallow root logins and control who can become root using sudo / and pam_wheel.so |
| 17:28.27 | Zalamander | paulswm heh |
| 17:28.37 | asg | hool: s/unstable/testing/ |
| 17:28.38 | AdrianLP | What is the best plugin for playing Quicktime videos in/from Firefox? I thought someone once said mplayer-plugin, I don't see that in testing/ though. |
| 17:28.39 | we2by | what is the different between unstable and testing? |
| 17:28.42 | Zalamander | Bennifer is dead. |
| 17:28.45 | hool | oh blimey |
| 17:28.47 | bob2 | AdrianLP: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:28.48 | ribnitz | Phated: didnt they do the Hydrogen-things to get rid of the proprty damage? |
| 17:28.53 | Phated | AdrianLP: You need the mplayer sources as well. |
| 17:28.53 | hool | i like sarge.. but sid sounds cooler ;) |
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| 17:28.54 | thegraham | asg: thats what I've got at the moment, but i was hoping there was a way to allow root logins from internal ip's but not from external |
| 17:28.55 | bob2 | AdrianLP: mozilla-mplayer or such |
| 17:28.59 | asg | hool: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 17:29.06 | paulswm | we2by: about 2 weeks and a certain amount of risk |
| 17:29.09 | Phated | ribnitz: *shrugs* I'm not big on bombs, 'nuff said. |
| 17:29.11 | mrex | anybody know where to get xdriiinfo from. I can't seem to find it on google and with apt-cache. |
| 17:29.14 | bob2 | ribnitz: neutron bombs are the one with large amount of radiation and not so big a blash |
| 17:29.15 | AdrianLP | bob2 Phated : Will check that out, thank you. |
| 17:29.21 | hool | nah. im gonna go sarge a while longer.. |
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| 17:29.24 | appaji | bob2: Found the bug. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284181 |
| 17:29.32 | mrex | that's xdriinfo, not xdriiinfo |
| 17:29.35 | hool | 9th time in reinstall this box in 2 weeks now.. |
| 17:29.43 | ribnitz | Phated: oh well, its ot anyways. |
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| 17:29.45 | asg | thegraham: ah, not sure about that. |
| 17:29.49 | appaji | bob2: it was on the source package alsa-modules-i386. |
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| 17:30.03 | bob2 | appaji: ah |
| 17:30.05 | ribnitz | hool: use sarge? |
| 17:30.16 | hool | ribnitz, yes.. |
| 17:30.17 | Phated | ribnitz: Very true, |
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| 17:30.32 | hool | it's been a while and i forgot how i installed it in the first place.. |
| 17:31.01 | bob2 | have you come here for forgiveness, have you come to raise the dead? |
| 17:31.07 | hool | debian does that to you.. it's so stable that when you're reinstalling you go. "uhu. how did i do that thing??" |
| 17:31.13 | bob2 | hehe |
| 17:31.16 | appaji | bob2: Fixed and uploaded along with kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686. Not yet in Sarge :-( |
| 17:31.20 | doublehp | What is daemon pdflush for ? |
| 17:31.23 | bob2 | appaji: ah, dang |
| 17:31.34 | ribnitz | hool: try gentoo for a change.. |
| 17:31.35 | asg | doublehp: flushing filesystem buffer caches to disk after a period of time |
| 17:31.50 | ribnitz | doublehp: flushing pages |
| 17:31.51 | bob2 | doublehp: I believe it's a kernel thread that flushs caches to disk after asg beats me to it again |
| 17:31.58 | asg | doublehp: it runs 'sync' so you don't have to |
| 17:32.07 | asg | bob2: sorry bob ;) |
| 17:32.10 | bob2 | hehe |
| 17:32.28 | asg | bob2: xset r rate 220 30 (teh roX0r) |
| 17:32.35 | appaji | bob2: Can you please edit "the /msg dpkg alsa tutorial" factoid to include a link to this bug report? |
| 17:32.42 | zumbi | bob2, encoding is in its way.. but actually i am using mplayer for WMA -> WAV and then lame for WAV->MP3 |
| 17:32.44 | appaji | bob2: I don't know how it should be done. |
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| 17:32.59 | Phated | zumbi: ogg, ogg! |
| 17:32.59 | appaji | bob2: I can do it if you teach me though ;) |
| 17:33.07 | bob2 | dpkg, alsa tutorial is also On sarge, read http://bugs.debian.org/284181. |
| 17:33.07 | dpkg | bob2: okay |
| 17:33.20 | zumbi | Phated, my player doesn't play ogg :( |
| 17:33.25 | ribnitz | Phated: wasnt that the caveman in Nethack? |
| 17:33.31 | bob2 | zumbi: I'm almost certain mplayer bulids against liblame just so it can output mp3s |
| 17:33.33 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 17:33.36 | Phated | zumbi: WHAT player? |
| 17:33.41 | Phated | ribnitz: Probably. |
| 17:33.41 | asg | dan2: hiya, you have a good holiday break? |
| 17:33.42 | doublehp | asg: bob2 : after 48h uptime, it looks like this daemon takes at least 40% CPU ALL THE HIME, antd my drives are always acessed, so that the computer is not usable anymore ... is there a way to remove it ? |
| 17:33.51 | bob2 | appaji: that command just tells dpkg to append the text after 'also' to the end of the factoid |
| 17:33.52 | dan2 | asg: yeah |
| 17:33.56 | asg | dan2: cool |
| 17:33.57 | dan2 | asg: currently doing stuff work right now |
| 17:34.02 | dan2 | asg: C++ Sip Stuff |
| 17:34.02 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 17:34.03 | bob2 | doublehp: um, wow |
| 17:34.05 | appaji | bob2: Understood :-) that was simple alright. Thank you. |
| 17:34.08 | zumbi | Phated, one of those CD-players to walk around with |
| 17:34.10 | ribnitz | doublehp: more physical memory? |
| 17:34.17 | bob2 | appaji: you're welcome |
| 17:34.17 | thully | Hi - I have a peculiar situation in which I want to install Debian. I have a ThinkPad T42 w/included ipw2200 wi-fi and an HSF modem. I have access to a few windows machines where I could burn ISOs, however the only way I can readily get online at high-speed on my laptop is wireless. How would I go about installing Debian (sarge) on this system? I can't net-install as ipw2200 is not a supported device in the sarge net-install, and the first Sarge iso di |
| 17:34.21 | thully | dn't have enough for me to get wi-fi going. |
| 17:34.21 | Phated | zumbi: Ohh, that kind of player. You're forgiven. :) |
| 17:34.52 | bob2 | thully: the first cd has all of build-essential |
| 17:35.03 | Zalamander | distrowatch.com indicates that debian uses XFree, and not Xorg. Is this true? |
| 17:35.10 | asg | Zalamander: yes |
| 17:35.11 | bob2 | Zalamander: yes |
| 17:35.14 | asg | Zalamander: /msg dpkg x.org |
| 17:35.15 | ribnitz | Zalamander: yes |
| 17:35.20 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 17:35.33 | bob2 | thully: that + kernel-headers-`uname -r` + the centrino source thing should be enough to get it going |
| 17:35.47 | Zalamander | interesting. I thought XFree was GPL-incompatible? |
| 17:35.48 | bob2 | thully: incidentally, ubuntu lets you install with that card... |
| 17:35.58 | bob2 | Zalamander: no |
| 17:36.02 | Phated | Zalamander: Only after certain versions. |
| 17:36.02 | ribnitz | Zalamander: the new version is |
| 17:36.03 | asg | Zalamander: debian uses the last DFSG compatible version |
| 17:36.06 | thully | what CD is kernel-headers on? |
| 17:36.07 | Zalamander | ah, I get it. |
| 17:36.08 | Zalamander | thanks |
| 17:36.15 | bob2 | Zalamander: XFree86 after 4.3.99 was 'relicensed' to be annoying |
| 17:36.20 | Zalamander | yep |
| 17:36.52 | doublehp | ribnitz: isnt 256M enough for 4 Eterms ??? |
| 17:37.01 | rage_ | wow.. debian is runnin pretty damn nice on my amd64, fuckin loving this |
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| 17:37.16 | doublehp | bob2: how the hell can I kill that daemon ? |
| 17:37.17 | trueno | Hi! Is helix a replace for realplayer? |
| 17:37.22 | davs | is there a easy way to enable dvd playback in debian? |
| 17:37.23 | ribnitz | doublehp: how much swapspace, what desktop env/wm? |
| 17:37.24 | bob2 | doublehp: I don't know that's possible |
| 17:37.27 | Phated | rage_: Ey, you, hush up about your amd. |
| 17:37.35 | asg | trueno: yes and no |
| 17:37.35 | bob2 | trueno: that sounds like the sort of thing you'd want to ask them |
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| 17:37.49 | edgarin | Hello to all |
| 17:37.57 | doublehp | ribnitz: the 48h are fine; problems start after 3 days uptime ... |
| 17:38.15 | ribnitz | doublehp: some process leaking memory.. |
| 17:38.15 | asg | doublehp: do you have swapspace configured? does free indicate this? |
| 17:38.16 | rage_ | Phated worth every penny :P |
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| 17:38.26 | doublehp | ribnitz: 256/1G Xorg/e16 (eterms, xmms, TB, FF, gaim rox-filer ) thats all |
| 17:38.30 | Phated | rage_: Shut up now. :) |
| 17:38.34 | doublehp | asg: 1G |
| 17:38.40 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 17:38.41 | asg | doublehp: okay, just checking |
| 17:38.54 | ribnitz | doublehp: did you see this with Xfree as well? |
| 17:39.03 | asg | doublehp: and you haven't been fooling with kernel parameters in /proc? |
| 17:39.05 | doublehp | asg: swap is just used at 50% ( says gkrellm ) |
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| 17:39.17 | hool | where is apt sources located? |
| 17:39.25 | rage_ | on a serious note though, this is the 3rd linux distro, and 6th OS I've tried on it, and so far imo debian is better off than the other stuff |
| 17:39.28 | ribnitz | hool: /etc |
| 17:39.30 | trueno | asg bob2 -- realplayer can't open some of the streams it used to. Clicking "update" takes me to the helix page. Will then helix be backwards compatible with realplayer? |
| 17:39.30 | bob2 | hool: for what? |
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| 17:39.33 | Zalamander | Which tools are used for creating debian packages from source code? For example, if I want to upgrade to a software version that is not yet available as a package? |
| 17:39.38 | doublehp | ribnitz: I cant remember ... it s 4 months I use xorg ... and the 2 first days are fine ... |
| 17:39.47 | hool | bob2, i wanna hax0r it |
| 17:39.52 | bob2 | Zalamander: www.debian.org/devel/ -> new maintainers guide |
| 17:39.52 | Zalamander | rage_ which others have you tried? |
| 17:39.53 | doublehp | ribnitz: I know that FF has leakages ; I restart it every day just in case. |
| 17:39.56 | asg | trueno: ah, some of the newer stuff in helix doesn't work with realplayer (can't remember what though) |
| 17:39.57 | Zalamander | bob2 thank you |
| 17:39.58 | ribnitz | doublehp: I d guess some memory leak |
| 17:40.09 | thully | does anybody know where I could snag a precompiled kernel w/software suspend included for debian? |
| 17:40.10 | doublehp | ribnitz: from who ? how to know ? |
| 17:40.23 | ribnitz | doublehp: no idea. look at syslog? |
| 17:40.37 | rage_ | Zalamander winxp 64bit, win2003 32bit, openbsd64, gentoo64, suse64 and now debian64 |
| 17:40.41 | ribnitz | doublehp: if some event triggers it? |
| 17:40.43 | bob2 | thully: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting |
| 17:40.44 | zumbi | bob2 could i remove a word from dpkg that i just add trying to test it ? my word is test0 |
| 17:40.50 | thully | for debian |
| 17:40.58 | asg | zumbi: dpkg forget test0 |
| 17:41.21 | Zalamander | rage_ cool (just curious I was) |
| 17:41.23 | zumbi | umm ok |
| 17:41.25 | thully | not ubuntu - already tried that, and I wanted to give debian a shot |
| 17:41.27 | trueno | asg -- The point is, if I remove realp and install helix, will I be able to keep on listening to "old" streams? |
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| 17:41.57 | zumbi | asg, could someone erase dpkg memory ? |
| 17:42.07 | bob2 | zumbi: /msg dpkg forget test0 |
| 17:42.17 | bob2 | thully: that kernel works fine on ubuntu |
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| 17:42.34 | thully | I wanted one for debian, though |
| 17:42.39 | appaji | bob2: approximately how much time do packages take to get into sarge from sid? |
| 17:42.45 | bob2 | thully: er, 'fine on Debian' |
| 17:42.47 | bob2 | it's late here |
| 17:42.57 | doublehp | ribnitz: if there is a leakage ... 80% it is a user app ... which cant write in syslog ... |
| 17:43.01 | bob2 | appaji: depends if they get new RC bugs on them while they're waiting or not |
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| 17:43.14 | bob2 | appaji: 10 days if they don't |
| 17:43.15 | zumbi | i did bob2.. but isn't it dangerous .. dpkg could forget every word ? if someone tells ? |
| 17:43.23 | bob2 | zumbi: yes |
| 17:43.27 | appaji | bob2: Ah. Ok. |
| 17:43.33 | bob2 | zumbi: dondelelcaro has backups |
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| 17:43.41 | zumbi | ok |
| 17:43.59 | zumbi | !tell no-floppy about root |
| 17:44.03 | doublehp | no-floppy: you are root :) |
| 17:44.05 | bob2 | zumbi: but it does fundamentally rely on people not being fuckwits |
| 17:44.22 | trueno | asg -- whatever. I will try and see. |
| 17:44.30 | trueno | asg -- thanks! |
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| 17:44.50 | zumbi | i understand bob2, thats is civism ! |
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| 17:46.44 | thully | does anybody have a custom debian ISO with the kernel headers + build essential for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:47.13 | vaq | Anybody know where i can found a router guide for linux?... I want to set my debian server up as an router |
| 17:47.23 | doublehp | bob2: mostly ""/USR/SBIN/CRON[8970]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php4 ] && find /var/lib/php4" in syslog ... |
| 17:47.44 | bob2 | doublehp: er, that's an odd cron thing to be running |
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| 17:47.56 | bob2 | but it's not going to hammer pflushd *that* hard |
| 17:48.17 | doublehp | bob2: troyan ? |
| 17:48.38 | bob2 | not unless 'find' has been replaced ;) |
| 17:49.01 | doublehp | bob2: I sware you ... that AMD1.4 is getting as slow as my old 486 ... and I used 486s for 2 years from 200 to 2002 |
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| 17:49.46 | Nurbs | it's gotta be PHP's fault. |
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| 17:49.55 | hool | doublehp, got the right kernel for it? |
| 17:49.57 | bob2 | yeah |
| 17:50.03 | bob2 | on principle, I'll blame it |
| 17:50.15 | hool | for some reason i used i386 on mine and when i got the right one.. things started flying |
| 17:50.18 | doublehp | bob2: what s the command to know the total CPU time of each process ? |
| 17:50.29 | bob2 | doublehp: 'top' should show it |
| 17:50.30 | xoz | doublehp: check wha't eating your cpu cycle |
| 17:50.32 | doublehp | hool: what do u mean ? |
| 17:50.47 | doublehp | xoz: how ? |
| 17:50.55 | hool | if you run AMD use a kernel kompiled for AMD processors.. |
| 17:51.01 | hool | should speed things up |
| 17:51.15 | bob2 | not in this case |
| 17:51.24 | doublehp | bob2: xoz top says xorg is using 9% ... but that do not mean xorg is requirering the hdd acesses ... |
| 17:51.35 | bob2 | no it doesn't |
| 17:51.44 | bob2 | I thought you said it was pflushd using all your cpu? |
| 17:51.48 | doublehp | hool: then, why are the 2 first days fine ? |
| 17:52.19 | vaq | Anybody know where i can found a router guide for linux?... I want to set my debian server up as an router |
| 17:52.19 | hool | dont know.. |
| 17:52.31 | bob2 | vaq: www.lartc.org |
| 17:52.41 | hool | doublehp, just let me pop over to the bofh generator and pick up a cool excuise ;) |
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| 17:53.05 | vaq | bob2: thanks. |
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| 17:53.14 | dbron | Hi all, I have a box that has been rooted, I can't completely take it out of service immediately but need tilt things back in my direction. /bin/login has been replace. Is there a way to get dpkg or apt to force a new binary to be written - I know this isn't the best long term solution, but it is a fileserver and has been *more* heavily firewalled. |
| 17:53.28 | doublehp | bob2: I think so ... or maybe xfssyncd ? but I use xfs for dummy partitions ( /mnt/public /mnt/exange |
| 17:53.29 | bob2 | dbron: --reinstall |
| 17:53.35 | bob2 | dbron: but how do you know dpkg isn't compromised? |
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| 17:53.48 | dbron | bob2: not sure or that |
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| 17:54.10 | dbron | bob2: I can do an md5 of the deb and the bin/login though |
| 17:54.16 | doublehp | dbron: apt-get --reinstall ? |
| 17:54.21 | dbron | thanks |
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| 17:54.43 | X-9582 | hello |
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| 17:55.28 | Zalamander | is there seriously a "--reinstall" switch for apt? |
| 17:55.41 | tarzeau | Zalamander: yes |
| 17:55.42 | zinx | Zalamander: of course; why wouldn't there be? |
| 17:55.48 | xoz | Zalamander: man *it* |
| 17:55.59 | tarzeau | Zalamander: there's even a moo switch! |
| 17:56.03 | Zalamander | xoz um, that will have to wait until I finish installing |
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| 17:56.22 | Zalamander | tarzeau that's very cool. Quite powerful. |
| 17:56.22 | zinx | dbron: take it out of service immediately and take the damage. |
| 17:56.46 | vaq | bob2: http://lartc.org - looks enormes big.. this rouder stuff should be for a home network.. Do you know anything else? |
| 17:56.53 | X-9582 | where can I see wich debian I'm running? |
| 17:56.56 | stew | huh, moo isn't in the manpage, maybe i should file a bug :) |
| 17:56.59 | tarzeau | X-9582: cat /etc/*ersion |
| 17:57.08 | zinx | dbron: afterwards, install from backups you know haven't been compromised yet (verify all the bins/config files) |
| 17:57.18 | Zalamander | zinx good point -- one has to reinstall packages sometimes. I guess what I meant to ask is can you really reinstall the entire operating system with a single command like that? |
| 17:57.26 | tarzeau | X-9582: but better check /etc/apt/sources.list as well |
| 17:57.33 | stew | Zalamander: /msg dpkg reinstall |
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| 17:57.38 | tarzeau | X-9582: and if there is sources that are not official debian. you don't run debian! |
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| 17:58.00 | X-9582 | cat /etc/*ersion |
| 17:58.01 | X-9582 | 3.0 |
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| 17:58.06 | Zalamander | stew heh, cool. |
| 17:58.15 | X-9582 | there is tarzeau |
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| 17:58.43 | tarzeau | X-9582: looks like you're running "woody" |
| 17:58.49 | bob2 | dbron: how do you know they didn't compromise 'md5sum'? |
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| 17:58.58 | Zalamander | stew you know anyone that's actually tried that successfully? |
| 17:58.58 | X-9582 | wich 'firewall' does that use? |
| 17:59.01 | Robert | hello room |
| 17:59.03 | tarzeau | X-9582: none |
| 17:59.09 | dbron | bob2: you are late... I waited and waited for that |
| 17:59.16 | dbron | bob2: I don't |
| 17:59.21 | Zalamander | Robert warning: you might get flamed for using "room" instead of "channel" on irc |
| 17:59.21 | stew | Zalamander: yes, it works |
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| 17:59.25 | bob2 | dbron: went to get a drink |
| 17:59.28 | Zalamander | stew neato. |
| 17:59.30 | dbron | this is something to buy a few hours |
| 17:59.32 | Robert | old habits die hard |
| 17:59.32 | X-9582 | ipfwadm :Generic IP Firewall Chains not in this kernel / ipchains -L :ipchains: Incompatible with this kernel |
| 17:59.44 | bob2 | X-9582: don't use ipchains |
| 17:59.46 | tarzeau | X-9582: you installed a 2.4 kernel somehow |
| 17:59.49 | Robert | anyone have time to answer a cups question? |
| 17:59.50 | bob2 | or ipfwadm |
| 17:59.57 | tarzeau | X-9582: or 2.6 even |
| 17:59.58 | X-9582 | yes I'm running 2.4 kernel |
| 18:00.10 | X-9582 | but i can't access it from SSH :\ |
| 18:00.19 | X-9582 | something is blocking it |
| 18:00.22 | tarzeau | X-9582: that's not a question |
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| 18:00.42 | X-9582 | I wanne know how I can make ssh available for my host |
| 18:00.44 | doublehp | Zalamander: no you have to give apt the name of each package you wanna reinstall; and it only replace the binaries ... do not affect /ect or broken symlinks ... ( I can tell about it since I lost once all /usr/bin ... ) |
| 18:00.56 | Robert | installed cups, realised i didn't build it with the support for the right types or printers, just wondering how i can do that |
| 18:01.03 | Robert | s/or/of |
| 18:01.07 | tarzeau | X-9582: apt-get install ssh; ssh user@`hostname` |
| 18:01.15 | bob2 | X-9582: 'iptables -L -v'? |
| 18:01.18 | X-9582 | no ehm sshd is running |
| 18:01.24 | bob2 | that would be why then |
| 18:01.33 | X-9582 | bob2, iptables isn't installed |
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| 18:01.52 | tarzeau | X-9582: does telnet localhost 22 say anything? |
| 18:01.56 | bob2 | X-9582: if it's not running, you need to fix that first |
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| 18:02.08 | vaq | bob2: http://lartc.org - looks enormes big.. this rouder stuff should be for a home network.. Do you know anything else? |
| 18:02.08 | tarzeau | bob2: damn i hate weekends |
| 18:02.18 | X-9582 | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 18:02.18 | X-9582 | Connected to localhost. |
| 18:02.18 | X-9582 | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 18:02.20 | X-9582 | that works |
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| 18:02.32 | tarzeau | X-9582: no it doesn't |
| 18:02.33 | bob2 | tarzeau: heh |
| 18:02.39 | tarzeau | X-9582: a working sshd replies with SSH* |
| 18:02.42 | bob2 | vaq: the networking howto maybe? |
| 18:02.42 | tarzeau | X-9582: and your's didn't |
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| 18:02.58 | X-9582 | it does .. SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1 Debian 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 |
| 18:02.58 | bob2 | vaq: all you need to do is install ipmasq on the gateway and point machines at it |
| 18:03.33 | tarzeau | X-9582: yes it does |
| 18:03.59 | X-9582 | but from outside I get timed out |
| 18:04.22 | tarzeau | X-9582: then there is something |
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| 18:04.27 | xoz | X-9582: can you ping your host from outside? |
| 18:04.39 | X-9582 | no |
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| 18:05.06 | doublehp | I have 256M RAM, and 1G swap; free says that I am using 230M RAM and 500M swap; a process is using 40% memory; how much memory is it using ? 40% of 1250M or 40% of 730 ? |
| 18:05.31 | Phated | The former, most likely. |
| 18:06.22 | bob2 | Phated: isn't it like 4am there? |
| 18:06.31 | Phated | bob2: 2, actually. |
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| 18:06.35 | bob2 | ah |
| 18:06.54 | hool | there's nothing more comfortable than to tinker with your box at 2 am |
| 18:06.56 | X-9582 | I can ping to the outside though |
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| 18:07.07 | bob2 | unless it's 5 |
| 18:07.08 | Phated | hool: Who's tinkering? |
| 18:07.14 | hool | Phated, me.. |
| 18:07.15 | bob2 | hrm, crap, I need to be up at 11 |
| 18:07.24 | hool | not 2am yeat tho but it's getting there |
| 18:07.32 | hool | was up to 6am last saturday |
| 18:07.35 | Phated | Where are you? |
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| 18:07.43 | hool | Phated, sweden |
| 18:07.51 | Phated | Bah. |
| 18:08.00 | hool | sweden, where 2600 magazine say bandwith is cheap ;) |
| 18:08.02 | xoz | X-9582: must be router or dns problem |
| 18:08.21 | X-9582 | no, ehm it's connected to my hub. |
| 18:08.45 | gaasfet | I'm tired of geting ripped off with printers and cost of ink, I need a recommendation for a printer, help :) |
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| 18:08.58 | tarzeau | gaasfet: laserprinter |
| 18:09.12 | bob2 | yeah |
| 18:09.13 | gaasfet | my epson CX5200 lasted 1 year |
| 18:09.23 | bob2 | get an old HP laser |
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| 18:09.38 | Robert | need colour? |
| 18:09.43 | gaasfet | sometimes |
| 18:09.46 | tarzeau | or use a foreign printer (neighbor's or so) |
| 18:09.46 | Robert | hrm |
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| 18:09.56 | jkarns | Hi all. Q: Is d-i rc2 included as part of the bootable sarge install CD set, or is it something apart from that? |
| 18:09.58 | Robert | how often is sometimes? |
| 18:09.59 | hool | i bought a used HP5l for $50 |
| 18:10.00 | xoz | built-in obsolescence |
| 18:10.12 | gaasfet | epson heads get clogged and can't be fixed |
| 18:10.13 | hool | black and white only but i dont use it that much |
| 18:10.29 | bob2 | jkarns: if it's a rc2 sarge cd, yes |
| 18:10.37 | Robert | hp laserjets last forever |
| 18:10.42 | gaasfet | really |
| 18:10.43 | Phated | Meh, black and white is all you need for a good-looking resume. |
| 18:10.45 | Robert | toner is expensive |
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| 18:10.52 | bob2 | toner is fucking cheap |
| 18:10.54 | Robert | i'm still using a few laserjet IIIs |
| 18:10.54 | jkarns | bob2, thnx |
| 18:11.03 | bob2 | compared to inkjet ink |
| 18:11.09 | Robert | for colours it is expensive |
| 18:11.11 | Robert | yeah |
| 18:11.15 | bob2 | well, yeah |
| 18:11.17 | Robert | inkjet ink is more expensive than wine |
| 18:11.28 | Phated | And doesn't taste half as good. |
| 18:11.34 | Robert | heh |
| 18:11.51 | gaasfet | maybe just get a cheap $60 ink-jet from wal-mart and toss it when it runs out of ink? |
| 18:12.00 | xam | Phated: at least you don't flush it down the toilet again |
| 18:12.08 | Phated | xam: True. |
| 18:12.09 | bob2 | gaasfet: or refill the cartrigdes |
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| 18:12.10 | Robert | look for HP laserjet 1012 |
| 18:12.18 | Robert | it's fast as crap and only about 150 or so online |
| 18:12.26 | Robert | black and white only though |
| 18:12.30 | Phated | As whose crap? |
| 18:12.33 | Robert | 150USD |
| 18:12.37 | dvs | Robert: I thought 1012 was a winprinter? |
| 18:12.42 | Robert | ugh |
| 18:12.45 | Robert | you might be right |
| 18:12.57 | gaasfet | bob2: they use chips on ink cartridges to prevent refilling |
| 18:13.01 | dvs | Robert: my 1300 isn't a winprinter. |
| 18:13.05 | bob2 | gaasfet: depends on the printer |
| 18:13.09 | gaasfet | so you need to buy a chip-resetter |
| 18:13.21 | bob2 | I'll be really disappointed in humanity if all new printers come with that |
| 18:13.28 | Robert | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1012 |
| 18:13.31 | X-9582 | but there is no other thing that can be disabling outside connections into the box? |
| 18:13.56 | Robert | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1300 |
| 18:13.57 | Robert | yep |
| 18:14.16 | Robert | anyone know how i can reconfigure cups to use socket/jetdirect? |
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| 18:14.27 | Robert | i only allowed it usb and ipp |
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| 18:16.06 | xam | A friend of mine just moved into our house today ... now we got a big fat LCD TV and hundreds of DVDs |
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| 18:16.56 | BucWheat_ | any sudo users in here? |
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| 18:17.08 | Phated | Probably everyone. |
| 18:17.08 | xoz | xam: can i borrow some dvd? i got 28" lcd tv :) |
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| 18:17.20 | BucWheat_ | i'm needing help setting up sudo to allow apache to open a file that can only be opened by root |
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| 18:17.33 | BucWheat_ | since the file access memory locations that only root can access |
| 18:17.35 | xam | xoz: you have to ask him, not me ;) |
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| 18:18.29 | |Rob| | whoops |
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| 18:20.12 | |Rob| | be back later |
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| 18:20.38 | stew | BucWheat_: have you read the sudoers manpage? |
| 18:21.02 | caoilte | Does anyone have an opinion on what would be the best automounter to setup for cdrom, usb keys and so forth with kde? |
| 18:21.57 | FieldySnuts | none, automounting is dumb |
| 18:22.04 | BucWheat_ | stew yea i took a gander at it but i do not know which user to put down for apache ? |
| 18:22.10 | Phated | Tell it, sister. |
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| 18:22.49 | euripedes | hi i can 't find rc.local where i can put my modem configuretion ? |
| 18:23.07 | bob2 | !+rc.local |
| 18:23.07 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 18:23.49 | CurryPork | can someone help me set up my x windows? |
| 18:24.02 | euripedes | dpkg thanks very much |
| 18:24.02 | dpkg | euripedes: de rien |
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| 18:25.22 | stew | BucWheat_: which user is apache running as? |
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| 18:27.04 | thepascalpro | how do i read stuff that's output on the screen into a file? |
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| 18:27.47 | Zalamander | thepascalpro run the command with a redirection syntax, like: mycommand > myFile.txt |
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| 18:28.22 | thepascalpro | in a shell script? |
| 18:28.52 | Zalamander | yes, or on the command line directly |
| 18:29.19 | BucWheat_ | stew i do not know. the only www related user i see in /etc/passwd is www-data |
| 18:29.25 | euripedes | dpkg if i creat a shell script modem and send to /etc/init.d/ ? This is will work ? |
| 18:29.26 | dpkg | euripedes: what are you talking about? |
| 18:29.35 | Zalamander | thepascalpro you might need "2&>" instead of ">" |
| 18:29.41 | FieldySnuts | @moron euripedes |
| 18:29.44 | ravenbird | euripedes: You are moron #29 |
| 18:29.50 | euripedes | ahhahaha |
| 18:29.57 | euripedes | talking with boot |
| 18:30.32 | stew | CurryPork: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 18:30.53 | daaku | any fvwm gurus here? i've got two small annoying problems i cant solve. first, how to i get fvwm to never move the cursor location? (esp. with the WindowList)? and second, on the root window, my cursor looks like the default X, instead of my default pointer in openbox, or windowmaker. |
| 18:31.09 | stew | BucWheat_: thats it unless you chagned something, ps aux | grep apache would tell you for sure |
| 18:31.25 | BucWheat_ | stew k. let me try that |
| 18:31.36 | thepascalpro | what would 2& do ? |
| 18:31.48 | BucWheat_ | stew when i do ps aux | grep apache i get: |
| 18:31.52 | BucWheat_ | root and www-data |
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| 18:32.13 | stew | BucWheat_: yeah, thats it. it starts as root and drops privs to www-data |
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| 18:32.53 | leira | hello~ |
| 18:32.56 | leira | what's the difference between kernel-image-2.6-k8 and kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 18:33.03 | leira | in AMD64 port |
| 18:33.03 | thepascalpro | how do i accept parameters in shell commands? I'm writing a shell script and it has to accept arguments, any advice? |
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| 18:33.23 | BucWheat_ | stew so if the application that needs to be run as root is /var/www/cgi-bin/program |
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| 18:33.28 | bob2 | leira: #debian-amd64 might be a good place to ask |
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| 18:33.36 | BucWheat_ | stew then i just need to put that path along with www-data in sudoers ? |
| 18:34.02 | mono | i have upgraded my pkgs. running 2.6 - now my wireless and hibernation doesn't work. i have reinstalled ipw2200. and loaded the modules. i got the following two errors - ipw2200: ipw-2.2-boot.fw load failed: Reason -2 |
| 18:34.16 | mono | Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE |
| 18:34.28 | stew | BucWheat_: yeah, follow suduers(5) manpage |
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| 18:34.31 | mono | probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5 |
| 18:34.36 | BucWheat_ | stew k. thanks man |
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| 18:34.50 | stew | BucWheat_: you're welcome |
| 18:34.50 | bob2 | mono: you need to install the firmware |
| 18:34.51 | krim | lamers |
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| 18:35.17 | stew | BucWheat_: though running a cgi script as suid sounds a bit dicey, hope you have a good reason |
| 18:35.26 | FieldySnuts | heh krim joined other channels too, said different oh so hurtful insults and left |
| 18:35.34 | stew | BucWheat_: actually, wait a sec |
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| 18:35.54 | BucWheat_ | stew yea the program i need to run accesses memory locations and can only be ran as root |
| 18:35.54 | stew | BucWheat_: just putting this script in sudoers doesn't mean its going to be run suid root, you know |
| 18:36.26 | stew | BucWheat_: the apache process is actually going to have to run "sudo scriptt' instead of just "script" |
| 18:36.30 | leira | bobz: i know maybe #debian-amd64 is better, but there is almost silent~ |
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| 18:36.40 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.56 | toresbe | what doe3s one do when a process refuses to die |
| 18:37.04 | toresbe | minus the 3 and append a ? |
| 18:37.05 | FieldySnuts | toresbe: kill it's parent |
| 18:37.12 | DrPete | Any other sugestions for voip providers that would be good for me in the UK |
| 18:37.12 | FieldySnuts | pstree |
| 18:37.12 | Rob-Z | Does debian 3.0 r4 come with stuff like kde? or do I have to use apt-get to get it? |
| 18:37.28 | Varg66 | DrPete: You've tried a kill -9 ? |
| 18:37.35 | bob2 | Rob-Z: er? the base system is tiny, you need to install almost everything explciitly |
| 18:37.35 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: how do I see what... ooh, that's cool |
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| 18:37.42 | bob2 | even if it's just with tasksel during the install |
| 18:37.45 | Faiper | rc.local |
| 18:37.46 | Varg66 | toresbe: You've tried a kill -9 ? |
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| 18:37.55 | Varg66 | DrPete: sorry wrong person |
| 18:37.57 | FieldySnuts | toresbe: obviously watch what you kill, if it's something like X or init... bad idea |
| 18:37.57 | toresbe | Varg66: isn't the -9 standard? |
| 18:38.00 | Rob-Z | Oh I see bob2 |
| 18:38.01 | BucWheat_ | stew ahh you are right. in my perl script i can do "sudo ./program" and it should work |
| 18:38.07 | Varg66 | toresbe: -15 is |
| 18:38.07 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: duh :) |
| 18:38.07 | FieldySnuts | toresbe: no, not at all. -9 causes an unclean kill. |
| 18:38.13 | couggg | help i just instal debian and when i reboot |
| 18:38.13 | Rob-Z | So I have to get everything seperately? |
| 18:38.14 | toresbe | oooh |
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| 18:38.23 | FieldySnuts | toresbe: well i've seen people run around and do kill -9 1 .... (DON'T) |
| 18:38.26 | couggg | it doesnt work |
| 18:38.26 | DrPete | Varg66: hehe np |
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| 18:38.38 | FieldySnuts | -15 is the standard, the default if you don't give a signal |
| 18:38.40 | [xDCDx] | why would VI give an "E667: Fsync failed" when trying to write to a virtual filesystem, but other editors like nano, kate would write correctly? |
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| 18:38.56 | FieldySnuts | -9 should only be used if you have to, it will shutdown uncleanly, often leaving pid files behind or other lameness |
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| 18:39.25 | couggg | vfs : unable to mount root fs on 03:03 |
| 18:39.28 | pmitros | I recall some bot in this channel had a "Debian Release Pool" of some sort, where you'd get people's estimates as to when the new Debian will be released. Is that still in existance? How do I ask the bot? |
| 18:39.42 | bob2 | couggg: you built your own kernel? |
| 18:39.47 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.49 | bob2 | !+sarge pool |
| 18:39.50 | dpkg | i guess sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 18:40.01 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: Aha! |
| 18:40.09 | couggg | no i take cd image |
| 18:40.12 | pmitros | Thanks |
| 18:40.15 | toresbe | Varg66: Thanks, wreaked havoc :) |
| 18:40.24 | FieldySnuts | but yeah when something won't die with -9, gotta kill it's parent. sometimes, even that doesn't work. |
| 18:40.38 | toresbe | now they are all dead like elvis |
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| 18:40.58 | clusty | is there a way how I could write to an NTFS partition? |
| 18:41.08 | bob2 | not easily |
| 18:41.14 | FieldySnuts | not safely, don't let anyone tell you that. if you really try, have full backups, you WILL lose data. |
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| 18:41.26 | bob2 | the linux kernel can write to files but without changing the filesize or modifying the dir structure |
| 18:41.36 | bob2 | or you can use captive-ntfs |
| 18:41.39 | bob2 | which is so very evil |
| 18:41.42 | FieldySnuts | it is |
| 18:41.43 | Varg66 | toresbe: You're welcome =) |
| 18:41.46 | clusty | FieldySnuts: don't quite care |
| 18:41.46 | couggg | bob2: how to do? |
| 18:41.50 | FieldySnuts | i've been down that road, don't waste your time |
| 18:41.52 | bob2 | couggg: do what? |
| 18:41.57 | toresbe | now, to try to echo stuff to the printer! |
| 18:42.06 | clusty | bob2: so how do I use that one and why is that evil :-D? |
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| 18:42.14 | couggg | how to resolve vfs problem |
| 18:42.16 | toresbe | anyone know if V.24 printers have a DCE or DTE pinout? |
| 18:42.18 | _zilch | hey, I installed both Gnome and KDE on sarge, how do I get it to let me choose between the two when logging in or before with 'xwmconfig' or something |
| 18:42.21 | mono | bob2, i have loaded the fireware. still the same error. after i loaded the fireware i have tried to modprobe ipw2200 and ifup eth1. |
| 18:42.25 | bob2 | clusty: google, and it loads windows kernel drivers into the linux kernel |
| 18:42.30 | toresbe | It's supposed to plug into a terminal |
| 18:42.38 | bob2 | mono: according to 'dmesg' the module loaded fine? |
| 18:42.45 | weiznit | would anyone help me with my newbness |
| 18:42.46 | clusty | bob2: thanx |
| 18:42.53 | weiznit | i need to install Mplayer |
| 18:42.54 | FieldySnuts | @clue weiznit |
| 18:43.04 | weiznit | lol |
| 18:43.10 | Phated | !tell weiznit about mplayer |
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| 18:43.24 | FieldySnuts | cold here :/ |
| 18:43.34 | Phated | I snuggle no more, but since it's cold... :) |
| 18:43.42 | maxxle | Where can I configure Nautilus-FM? I don't have the Buttons for 'Back' or 'One Folder up' and so on |
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| 18:44.00 | FieldySnuts | woot |
| 18:44.04 | bob2 | hah |
| 18:44.06 | weiznit | is dpkg a bot? |
| 18:44.08 | marmaris | hi |
| 18:44.12 | couggg | bob2 : help me pls |
| 18:44.19 | Phated | Yes, weiznit. It is. |
| 18:44.19 | bob2 | no |
| 18:44.26 | weiznit | thx phated for info |
| 18:44.35 | Faiper | dpkg, rc.local |
| 18:44.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 18:44.38 | Phated | Have a nice day. |
| 18:44.43 | weiznit | are any of the players easy graphically |
| 18:44.45 | Phated | Faiper: /msg dpkg in future, please. |
| 18:44.53 | marmaris | anyone with skills in utf8 here? |
| 18:44.53 | mono | bob2,dmseg shows me all the various networks aroud me. ok. it works:) |
| 18:44.55 | Faiper | Phated, sorry |
| 18:45.06 | Phated | weiznit: gxine... xine... Whatever else. |
| 18:45.11 | ant_o | Any monit users? I love it, it's great and it works fine on my x86 sarge box. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work on a sarge ppc box I have. Any ideas? |
| 18:45.11 | weiznit | i liberated my computer from corprate grip.. but now i cant really use it! |
| 18:45.20 | weiznit | thx |
| 18:45.26 | couggg | is any body to tell me how to resolve ... Kernel panic: Vfs: Unable to mount root fs on03:03 |
| 18:45.32 | bob2 | mono: make sure you're using the latest driver version, ipw2200 was flakey until recently |
| 18:45.35 | bob2 | couggg: blah blah blah |
| 18:45.38 | bob2 | couggg: fix your lilo.conf |
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| 18:46.04 | couggg | fhow to do? |
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| 18:46.32 | bob2 | couggg: you're using sarge? |
| 18:46.48 | couggg | no |
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| 18:46.58 | couggg | woody |
| 18:47.01 | bob2 | ouch |
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| 18:47.34 | FieldySnuts | @kill cinelerra for not having the ability to see .* files/dirs and for generally being a peice of shit |
| 18:47.41 | EmleyMoor | Anyone seen a timeout with gnokii in sarge? Have a woody box that copes but my sarge box can't... |
| 18:48.00 | couggg | have i to reboot and use sarge? |
| 18:48.00 | dampjam | Is there a good tutorial that will let me use my existing kerb server with pam so that users can login with their kerb credentials |
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| 18:48.19 | bob2 | FieldySnuts: if it's using the gtk file chooser, right-click on the file list |
| 18:48.23 | bob2 | _zilch: turn that off |
| 18:48.34 | _zilch | oh damn sorry |
| 18:48.52 | burd | FielySnuts: you ever get cinelerra to build a video file ever? I sure havent lol |
| 18:49.00 | Konlied | hi.. I have just locally installed the latest jre but I can't find the bin directory |
| 18:49.03 | bob2 | couggg: woody's installer really isn't supported anymore, sorry |
| 18:49.09 | Konlied | any ideas what happened? |
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| 18:49.19 | mwilson | Which is really too bad. |
| 18:49.22 | FieldySnuts | burd: no, never, i'm uninstalling it and not bothering with it ever again, over the course of 3 years, I've NEVER Had it work ONCE. vaporware of a kingly status in the *nix world. |
| 18:49.36 | _zilch | how can I install additional fonts on sarge |
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| 18:49.56 | burd | FieldySnuts, you ever find anything worth a crap for editing video with linux? lol |
| 18:50.01 | FieldySnuts | which is a real shame, i have so much digital video i've made, it'd be nice to actually, you know, edit it beyond spicing scenes |
| 18:50.05 | FieldySnuts | burd: no |
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| 18:50.13 | thepascalpro | i'm having some problems compiling java on debian - whenever i gcj a file i get this: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/3.0.4/../../../crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 18:50.21 | couggg | bob2 witch one to use? |
| 18:50.25 | FieldySnuts | the other thing that's a real letdown is making dvd video (and writing it to that video) </rant> |
| 18:50.26 | bob2 | couggg: sarge. |
| 18:50.33 | FieldySnuts | er to the dved |
| 18:50.40 | couggg | ok i will all restart |
| 18:51.03 | couggg | ty so much |
| 18:52.42 | thepascalpro | has anybody here used gcj? |
| 18:52.59 | FieldySnuts | not willingly |
| 18:53.04 | bob2 | probably best to ask on the debian-java list |
| 18:53.05 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart java |
| 18:53.24 | couggg | bob2 /where can i find it |
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| 18:53.39 | bob2 | couggg: sarge? www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:53.41 | Rob-Z | Is there a dvd version of debian? |
| 18:53.41 | thepascalpro | well would anybody recommend a different java compiler? |
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| 18:54.05 | couggg | is it on the same cd? |
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| 18:54.16 | FieldySnuts | colder than a witches titty out there |
| 18:54.23 | bob2 | Rob-Z: yes |
| 18:54.25 | burd | cold here too |
| 18:54.34 | bob2 | couggg: woody cd? of course not. |
| 18:54.34 | Rob-Z | cool bob2. where can I get it? |
| 18:54.39 | bob2 | Rob-Z: no idea |
| 18:54.42 | Rob-Z | oh |
| 18:54.48 | Rob-Z | Is it on the mirrors? |
| 18:54.57 | bob2 | tho 'debian sarge dvd' surprisingly gives hits on google |
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| 18:55.08 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: I'm in Norway and I spent hours today looking through old ND components |
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| 18:55.32 | weiznit | jeremy |
| 18:55.33 | valdyn | thepascalpro: gcj --main=foo foo.java |
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| 18:55.51 | Rob-Z | oh :| |
| 18:56.17 | Phated | FieldySnuts: s/looking through/masturbating over/ |
| 18:56.22 | Rob-Z | Oh and do I need all the cd's for debian 3.0r4? |
| 18:56.32 | bob2 | Rob-Z: they all just contain packages |
| 18:56.42 | mono | i was able to bring my laptop to sleep when closing my monitor before i did the upgrade. now for some reason it does not work. i believe i used only apmd before. now there's acpi. ideas what would reinstate it? |
| 18:56.44 | Rob-Z | Oh ok :) |
| 18:56.45 | bob2 | if you have a network connection, you don'tneed any |
| 18:56.50 | bob2 | if you have none, you might need them all |
| 18:56.54 | Rob-Z | Oky doky |
| 18:56.59 | bob2 | mono: stop loading acpi modules |
| 18:57.08 | Rob-Z | Just get the first if I have a net connection right? |
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| 18:57.25 | bob2 | you can just get a 100MB netinst disk if you have a net connection |
| 18:57.34 | couggg | i take the netinstall or the cdset? |
| 18:57.42 | mono | bob2, i have removed the acpi pkg. what else should i remove? |
| 18:57.46 | Rob-Z | Oh ok sweet I will do that bob2 :) |
| 18:57.47 | bob2 | couggg: do you want to install over the network? |
| 18:57.52 | bob2 | mono: the modules |
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| 18:58.44 | bob2 | ah |
| 18:58.51 | bob2 | that's why my mail wasn't getting out |
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| 18:59.37 | mono | bob2, oh. those modules |
| 18:59.40 | mono | :) |
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| 18:59.41 | _d4vid | play HIM - You Are the One.mp3 |
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| 19:00.39 | couggg | if if the network doesnt work will i be able to use linux? |
| 19:00.52 | zeo33x | whats a good PPPoE client to use? |
| 19:01.04 | Rob-Z | jigdo let's me get the debian dvd release. cool :) |
| 19:01.13 | bob2 | zeo33x: there's more than one? |
| 19:01.27 | bob2 | couggg: er, of course? you'll need to get at least the first cd. |
| 19:01.37 | zeo33x | bob2: theres only one? |
| 19:01.57 | couggg | ok |
| 19:02.09 | bob2 | zeo33x: I assumed everyone used roaring penguin |
| 19:02.21 | zeo33x | roaring penguin.. okay! ill google for it |
| 19:02.33 | bob2 | erm |
| 19:02.35 | dvs | zeo33x: you are using Debian right? |
| 19:02.38 | bob2 | it's installed by default |
| 19:02.54 | zeo33x | oh |
| 19:02.59 | zeo33x | what command? |
| 19:03.08 | bob2 | pppoeconf |
| 19:03.11 | bob2 | then pon/poff |
| 19:03.13 | zeo33x | okie |
| 19:03.15 | zeo33x | thanks! |
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| 19:03.51 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 19:05.11 | guestish | hello |
| 19:05.30 | drac | hmm. can netcat be used to e.g. check banners from all x.x.x.* from ports 21 on my local network? |
| 19:05.31 | confrey | what's about ecamegapedal not recording, neither rezound, while audacity woakrs? |
| 19:05.37 | confrey | weorks? |
| 19:05.39 | caphuso | yay... Warning: ora_close(): supplied argument is not a valid Oracle-Cursor resource in D:\www\web-whv\2_66.php |
| 19:06.04 | mwilson | drac: Aren't there easier ways to find ftpd's you're not supposed to know about? |
| 19:06.27 | mwilson | drac: Or do the other hosts on your network watch for portscans? |
| 19:06.47 | drac | mwilson: we have this school-community and people here are running shit on ports they are not supposed.. |
| 19:06.49 | PR- | can anybody help me with my tv card? its a pinnacle pctv stereo with saa7134, good image but sound its only noise |
| 19:07.09 | drac | mwilson: warez etc :/ |
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| 19:07.27 | Ti_Uhl | hello |
| 19:07.31 | bob2 | drac: so why do you care? |
| 19:07.44 | Ti_Uhl | i've installed cpufreqd but how can i switch between the modes ? |
| 19:07.55 | drac | bob2: cause i got the job to find out about those hosts/ports from out uplink admin .. |
| 19:08.02 | joey_ | drac, i do use netcat and grep to check ssh connections |
| 19:08.06 | mwilson | drac: Of course they are. |
| 19:08.10 | Ti_Uhl | it seems to do it automaticlly but can u change them manually ? |
| 19:08.19 | bob2 | drac: look at your netflow statistics |
| 19:08.24 | drac | joey: how? |
| 19:08.27 | mwilson | Don't these people understand how transparent they are? |
| 19:08.28 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: the purpose of a daemon like this is to do the switching for you |
| 19:08.33 | PEACEYAL | oh yay no more errors, i c=chose ftp mirror and its mworking perfectly fine |
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| 19:08.58 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : so after u set up the config file u don't have to do anything anymore ? |
| 19:08.59 | drac | bob2, but gameservers are allowed, and such. don't know how to pick the right ones without banners .. |
| 19:09.00 | joey_ | drac, i have to print a line of some text and sleep, which i pipe to netcat, then i look at the result |
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| 19:09.07 | nvz | guestish: hello |
| 19:09.11 | bob2 | drac: you sound very suspicious, sorry |
| 19:09.15 | dnb | /dev/hda5 1276 3707 19535008+ b W95 FAT32 <- can i change filesystem without losing files ? |
| 19:09.20 | guestish | nvz: hey |
| 19:09.21 | sno_opy | ae galera....fmz total |
| 19:09.22 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: i guess so, i use powernowd though |
| 19:09.26 | bob2 | dnb: you can't |
| 19:09.28 | dnb | hm |
| 19:09.29 | mwilson | drac: If you have the permission of the actual admin, portscan the network and be done with it. Since, of course, you don't, I imagine this is why you're trying to be sneaky. |
| 19:09.30 | drac | bob2, nevermind then. :( |
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| 19:09.39 | guestish | nvz: whats up? |
| 19:09.43 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : do u use gome along with that ? |
| 19:09.47 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: do you use gnome? |
| 19:09.51 | Ti_Uhl | yes |
| 19:09.59 | bob2 | drac: since you have network admins on your side, portscan machines using ridiculous amounts of bandwidth |
| 19:10.10 | drac | ok, will do that. |
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| 19:10.12 | bob2 | drac: -sV is an interesting nmap option in that case |
| 19:10.26 | mwilson | bob2: Actually, it's much more likely that he's one of the abusers. |
| 19:10.26 | nvz | guestish: nothing much. I just noticed you said hello =P I am sitting here thinking about where I am going to put everything when I kid proof this house |
| 19:10.37 | dnb | i want to use that partition for linux.. same filesystem with my linux |
| 19:10.40 | bob2 | meh |
| 19:10.50 | nvz | I swear that kid was mixing raspberry soap with water the other day and then drinking it |
| 19:10.52 | dnb | what will i do now.. i saved my files |
| 19:10.53 | ntk | so i've got this old compaq armada with 800x600 display and a cirrus chipset. i installed the cirrus server... but when I start X first I get a garbled screen, then the crosshatch background with a nice movable mouse cursor, then the terminal hangs. what should I do? use a different server? |
| 19:10.54 | guestish | nvz: lol |
| 19:11.02 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: alright, thats independed of any cpu freq daemon - 'apt-get install gnome-cpufreq-applet' |
| 19:11.02 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : yes |
| 19:11.04 | joey_ | dnb, if you want that partition to be an ext2 fs, u have to copy your files elsewhere |
| 19:11.06 | guestish | nvz: tape it to the ceiling :) |
| 19:11.13 | ntk | and if so how do i configure a new X server? |
| 19:11.16 | Phated | nvz: Kids are suprisingly tolerant to poisons. :) |
| 19:11.18 | joey_ | dnb, then edit your fstab, and mkext2 /dev/... |
| 19:11.21 | mwilson | ntk: The "terminal" hangs? This means what, exactly? |
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| 19:11.33 | guestish | Phated: soap isnt a poison |
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| 19:11.35 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : i'm using that one but it just shows me the freq i can't change anything |
| 19:11.37 | drac | bob2, ah. that -sV was just what I was looking for. lot's of U-Servs found :P thanks. |
| 19:11.37 | guestish | just tastes nasty |
| 19:11.45 | mwilson | ntk: Since, *obviously*, X is starting and running, what makes you think you need to replace an X server? |
| 19:11.46 | Phated | guestish: Oh yeah. |
| 19:11.50 | ntk | mwilson: i mean the cursor disappears, i still have a crosshatch background, but nothing else. I can't do Ctrl-alt-Backspace to quit out either |
| 19:12.01 | ntk | but i can ssh in and reboot it. |
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| 19:12.06 | mwilson | ntk: And you didn't say that because...? |
| 19:12.09 | nvz | Phated: oh well, I am not taking any chances.. he stool in the bathroom is going to dissapear until she needs it every night, and the soap is going to be out of her reach. I will be fixing locks to all the cabinets |
| 19:12.25 | ntk | mwilson: i guess i haven't kissed the blarney stone this morning, sorry! |
| 19:12.29 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: it needs to be suid to be able to change speed ( 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow gnome-cpufreq-applet' ) |
| 19:12.44 | Phated | nvz: Right... |
| 19:12.46 | ntk | mwilson: terminal meaning not the machine but the display and keyboard response == nil |
| 19:12.50 | mwilson | Yes, it's certainly "blarney" to describe the actual problem, rather than your incorrect interpretation of it. |
| 19:12.52 | ntk | anyway |
| 19:13.05 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 19:13.20 | ntk | mwilson: well it's certainly helpful to criticize my communicate skills rather than help me express myself |
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| 19:13.33 | nvz | Phated: the stool says on the top "Safty 1st" and thats my thoughts exactly.. the stool dissapears, and she cant reach the sink |
| 19:13.39 | be_linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.40 | ayanami | hi, question: since the last apt-get dist-upgrade, my x-server wont start, i'm using debian, any ideas? :/ |
| 19:13.41 | ntk | perhaps I should have said the X server seemed to have frozen. but anyway |
| 19:13.53 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : that doesn't change anything ? i've restarted the applet ? |
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| 19:13.55 | cat | So like I'm looking for a good console based utility to make backups of my audio cds, I want them organized into tracks and CDDB would freaking rock |
| 19:14.00 | Phated | nvz: You poor, deluded man. :) |
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| 19:14.21 | bob2 | cat: abcde |
| 19:14.30 | mwilson | cat: Backups? You're going to store raw wave files and all the subchannel information? |
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| 19:14.40 | cat | thnx bob2 |
| 19:14.59 | ntk | so mwilson, do you have any actual ideas? or should i just go away |
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| 19:15.05 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: then you probably have no kernel support for you speedstep or powernow |
| 19:15.20 | nvz | Phated: heh. |
| 19:15.22 | mwilson | ntk: What appears in the log file? |
| 19:15.26 | Phated | nvz: :) |
| 19:15.53 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : but the applet says my cpu is running @ 876Mhz while it can go at 1.6Ghz |
| 19:16.52 | ntk | no errors. just usual startup stuff |
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| 19:17.00 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: so you should check if you speedstep / powernow is supported right now |
| 19:17.11 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : brb |
| 19:18.04 | ntk | the last few lines have to do with configuring the mouse, it tries a few devices and fails then the last line is XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) |
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| 19:19.41 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : how can i check if that applet is installed setuid ? |
| 19:20.07 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: i told you : dpkg-reconfigure -plow gnome-cpufreq-applet |
| 19:20.17 | Coke | Can they even have suid bits? aren't they run from a jre? |
| 19:20.25 | Coke | oh, such an applet. |
| 19:21.21 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : if that command gave no output does that mean it worked ? |
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| 19:22.29 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: probably means that your gnome-cpufreq-applet does not support switching frequencies |
| 19:22.53 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: mine does, i dont know if the one in sarge does |
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| 19:23.10 | valdyn | !info gnome-frequency-applet sarge |
| 19:23.13 | valdyn | !info gnome-frequency-applet sid |
| 19:23.38 | valdyn | !info gnome-cpufreq-applet sarge |
| 19:23.40 | dpkg | gnome-cpufreq-applet: (CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor applet for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 376 kB |
| 19:23.48 | valdyn | !info gnome-cpufreq-applet sid |
| 19:23.50 | dpkg | gnome-cpufreq-applet: (CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor applet for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
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| 19:25.26 | Ti_Uhl | ah but i'm running version 0.1.3 of freq. scaling |
| 19:25.27 | Ti_Uhl | :) |
| 19:25.37 | Ti_Uhl | maybe i should update that first :P |
| 19:25.42 | Ti_Uhl | sorry for the trouble :) |
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| 19:26.02 | mehim | hmmm need help here pon keeps modifying my iptables when i connect, don't know how to stop it... i looke through all the config files and found nothing... |
| 19:26.12 | mehim | looked even |
| 19:26.24 | ntk | ok |
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| 19:27.35 | eald | hi, I have problems with programs that can't find its devices when I have installed udev, for example I have checkpc that can't find /dev/lp0, how can I solve this? |
| 19:27.59 | mwilson | Don't use udev. That was easy. |
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| 19:28.43 | jorgp | mwilson: what is wrong with udev? |
| 19:29.00 | Phated | It makes people like eald unable to find devices. |
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| 19:29.24 | eald | another one, that includes udev on my system? |
| 19:29.26 | _eugenesan_ | hi all, URGENT: Is there any way to check that all binaries on system came from .deb files? |
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| 19:30.08 | eald | just that I installed my new camera I want that my systems detects it, so I need it, becuse is used by gnome to do that |
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| 19:30.37 | Humanoid | The ALSA driver for my soundcard stutters when I do certain things. But I discovered that if I load and unload the OSS driver and then load the ALSA driver, the stuttering is all completely gone! Does anybody know what the OSS driver is doing that has that effect? |
| 19:30.37 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : it works now :) |
| 19:30.40 | Ti_Uhl | valdyn : thx |
| 19:30.46 | valdyn | eald: modprobe parport and / or modprobe partport_pc |
| 19:30.52 | mwilson | No, hotplug is used to do that. Udev is used to do Gnome stupidities like mounting it whether or not you want it mounted. |
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| 19:31.10 | Humanoid | Could it be something in /proc that is being changed? I want to fix the stuttering without having to "load+unload" the OSS driver just for that. |
| 19:31.14 | valdyn | Ti_Uhl: welcome |
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| 19:31.57 | Ti_Uhl | cu |
| 19:32.30 | eald | valdyn: modprobe lp that did it, thanks |
| 19:33.53 | eald | mwilson: I could believe that, I really don't know, I just installed D-BUS and all that begun, maybe I can make that udev script don't run, but if I don't find any other problem, I'll just load lp on /etc/modules |
| 19:34.43 | rob0 | I used debootstrap to set up a base Sid system, but the apt sources.list is invalid. Where can I find a sample sources.list for Sid? |
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| 19:34.56 | asg | rob0: apt-setup ; /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 19:35.07 | rob0 | ty asg |
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| 19:35.29 | valdyn | Humanoid: using oss and alsa drivers at the same time causes cancer |
| 19:35.57 | mwilson | eald: Yes, you have to understand, Gnome knows far better than you how you should be using your computer, and punishes you for having an original thought if you believe differently. |
| 19:36.06 | Humanoid | valdyn: I don't use them at the same time. 1- Load OSS, 2- Unload OSS, 3- Load ALSA. And it fixes the stuttering completely! |
| 19:36.38 | Humanoid | The fix for the stuttering is completely gone until I reboot. |
| 19:36.43 | eald | mwilson: If I was trying to write a destkop that just works, maybe I could coincide with that sometimes |
| 19:37.18 | eald | mwilson: thanks for all anyway |
| 19:37.27 | valdyn | Humanoid: sounds like the alsa release you're using does not properly support your hardware |
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| 19:38.00 | mwilson | If I wanted a desktop that just works, it'd be OS X, not Gnome-crap. |
| 19:38.04 | dnb | -su: mkext2: command not found <- will i change filesystem and format with mkext2 ? |
| 19:38.20 | eald | mwilson: I didn't say use one, I said _write_ one |
| 19:38.26 | asg | dnb: mke2fs |
| 19:38.27 | caphuso | dnb: mke2fs |
| 19:38.32 | dnb | hmm |
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| 19:38.48 | Humanoid | valdyn: It works fine. I just downloaded the latest version from testing today. The stuttering only happens when I do certain things like switching between X and a text console. (but the OSS driver fixes that) |
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| 19:39.51 | dnb | how will i unmount partition ? |
| 19:39.53 | indigirl1 | help. i installed new kernel (2.6.8), reboot, and sound is gone. sound still works in previous setup (2.6.7) |
| 19:39.55 | FieldySnuts | man umount |
| 19:40.19 | Phated | indigirl1: The obvious stuff like modprobing drivers and such...? |
| 19:40.19 | asg | indigirl1: then continue to use 2.6.7 or try 2.6.10 and see if they fixed what they broke |
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| 19:40.32 | valdyn | Humanoid: hmm, no idea then, try #alsa i guess |
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| 19:40.59 | indigirl1 | #mepis |
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| 19:41.29 | exobyte | dumb question- How do I connect to a remote host with X? I want the login screen, not just a ssh tunnel. I know the host supports it |
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| 19:42.31 | be_linux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.03 | yanger | can someone help me with mounting a usb mass storage drive? i'm getting this in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/229271 and it seems it's not on any node |
| 19:43.08 | Subdino | does someone have sound on ultrasparc with module snd-sun-cs4231 ? here alsamixer fails with an ioctl32 error |
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| 19:43.40 | asg | Subdino: try #debian-sparc |
| 19:43.46 | Subdino | asg: thanks |
| 19:43.57 | dnb | i This filesystem will be automatically checked every 30 mounts or |
| 19:43.57 | dnb | 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. |
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| 19:44.00 | dnb | i'm not sure :( |
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| 19:44.07 | indigirl1 | Phated: help what to do with modprobe with sound |
| 19:44.10 | asg | dnb: that's fine, don't worry about it |
| 19:44.19 | yanger | dnb, that's normal for ext2/3 |
| 19:44.21 | Phated | indigirl1: Modprobe whatever modules your soundcard uses? |
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| 19:44.45 | dupondje | hi, a hdd havind some probs here, and its part of an lvm, but i can't remove the hdd from the lvm, i get 'pvmove -- not enough free/allocatable physical extents' |
| 19:44.46 | dedikerad | how do i add a word list to openoffice? |
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| 19:44.56 | asg | dedikerad: try #debian-oo |
| 19:45.00 | dedikerad | thanks |
| 19:45.15 | dupondje | the lvm is ~360gb, and only 20gb or smth used, and the hdd i want to remove is 120gb |
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| 19:45.37 | dnb | i did " mke2fs /dev/hda5 " and what will i do now ? |
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| 19:45.55 | asg | dnb: mount it (and edit /etc/fstab) |
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| 19:46.23 | asg | thanks Fieldy |
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| 19:46.37 | dnb | when i use "fdisk -l" it is /dev/hda5 1276 3707 19535008+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 19:46.42 | indigirl1 | alsamixer says card: dummy, chip: dummy mixer |
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| 19:46.59 | bob2 | dnb: that's fine |
| 19:47.03 | bob2 | dnb: just mount it now |
| 19:47.15 | dnb | hm okay |
| 19:47.33 | S2K | hey, i've a question: what do you guys think of ubuntu, for linux newbs? i'm looking for a good one to recommend |
| 19:47.34 | vankos | where can I find mozilla or firefox with strong encruption? |
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| 19:48.13 | tarzeau | bob2: i'm installing my alpha now :) |
| 19:48.16 | dnb | i did :o |
| 19:48.17 | dnb | if i reboot system W95 FAT32<- will this info change ? |
| 19:48.23 | bob2 | S2K: it's a nice choice |
| 19:48.34 | bob2 | dnb: I don't knwo, but it doesn't really matter |
| 19:48.35 | FieldySnuts | wait, he did mke2fs yet fdisk -l lists the partition type as fat32? |
| 19:48.35 | tarzeau | bob2: alpha ev56, bogomips 795.24, AlphaServer 1000A 5/400 |
| 19:48.37 | bob2 | tarzeau: hah, cool |
| 19:48.41 | FieldySnuts | better fix that |
| 19:48.49 | bob2 | tarzeau: oh, nice |
| 19:48.58 | bob2 | I have one of those but with broken RAM :/ |
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| 19:49.06 | S2K | alright, cuz i think mandrake's package management sucks as simple as the rest of it is to use for newbs |
| 19:49.13 | FieldySnuts | ot |
| 19:49.18 | FieldySnuts | it's mandrake, that's a given |
| 19:49.25 | keks | hi, the font+button size of the gentoo file manager on gnome desktop is tiny and difficult to read. any idea to change that? |
| 19:49.49 | tarzeau | keks: use gtk theme switcher to resize the gtk theme font? |
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| 19:50.16 | bob2 | tarzeau: ever get linux on your mips machine? |
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| 19:50.23 | dupondje | somebody could help me ? |
| 19:50.23 | dupondje | :s |
| 19:50.30 | tarzeau | bob2: not locally booting. otherwise yes running on the o2r10k |
| 19:50.33 | FieldySnuts | if you tell us what about |
| 19:50.43 | keks | tarteau: well, it seems to be just this x11 app, gnome applications are working fine |
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| 19:50.51 | minnime | Hello, I installed the new Webmin Version 1.7 but under Bootup and Shutdown are not the deamons listed who I could start during boot... where are they now ? |
| 19:50.55 | keks | tarzeau: well, it seems to be just this x11 app, gnome applications are working fine |
| 19:51.00 | FieldySnuts | heh webmin |
| 19:51.03 | tarzeau | keks: i don't think the gentoo filemanager is x11, it's gtk |
| 19:51.22 | mwilson | tarzeau: gentoo is gtk1, he's too clueless to tell the difference. |
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| 19:51.55 | tarzeau | mwilson: that also can be changed using the same gtk-switch-theme-something-i-can-t-remember-tool |
| 19:51.59 | bob2 | mwilson: please? |
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| 19:52.21 | bob2 | keks: use switch from the gtk-theme-switch package |
| 19:52.21 | mwilson | tarzeau: gtk-theme-switch |
| 19:52.22 | tarzeau | mwilson: exactly that |
| 19:52.41 | bob2 | but it's cron.daily time |
| 19:52.42 | bob2 | so 'night |
| 19:53.01 | asg | bob2: night |
| 19:53.02 | mwilson | Every time I've ever messed with Gentoo, I've had data loss. So no more... I just use emelfm. |
| 19:53.05 | rafx | damn, i've been using sysv-rc-conf for so long i forgot how to remove a script from all runlevels (without using the rm command). any ideas? (i recall chkconfig in redhat but debian is different) |
| 19:53.18 | asg | rafx: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 19:53.21 | bob2 | update-rc.d |
| 19:53.23 | rafx | thanks |
| 19:53.25 | tarzeau | (and mc of course) |
| 19:53.27 | bob2 | but don't remove it from all runlevels |
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| 19:53.34 | S2K | bob2, how about mepis, what do you think of that? |
| 19:53.35 | bob2 | since dpkg will then put it back in all run levels |
| 19:53.39 | bob2 | S2K: dodgy |
| 19:53.41 | mwilson | Yeah, you're a gnustep person, aren't you? |
| 19:53.44 | tarzeau | S2K: kde! |
| 19:53.47 | tarzeau | mwilson: yes |
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| 19:54.06 | tarzeau | mwilson: and OPENSTEP! www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 19:54.08 | mwilson | Gotta have my two-pane file manager. |
| 19:54.16 | S2K | tarzeau: i agree, it's feature-overbloat |
| 19:54.24 | tarzeau | how do you like mc, mwilson? |
| 19:54.36 | mwilson | Nothing wrong with it. |
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| 19:55.31 | nksen | if I install debian as a desktop system. is there a way so that normal users can shutdown the system with little effor? |
| 19:55.41 | resiak | nksen: Are you using GDM? |
| 19:55.41 | nksen | i don't want the user to enter the root password |
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| 19:56.00 | Anthro | Can ELF manage the @executable_path magic that MacOS X uses for linking (with Mach-O)? |
| 19:56.05 | minnime | Hello, I installed the new Webmin Version 1.7 but under Bootup and Shutdown are not the deamons listed who I could start during boot... where are they now ? |
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| 19:56.14 | nksen | resiak: installed it for a friend. installed desktop environment (from base-config). it's using kdm |
| 19:56.21 | tarzeau | nksen: what about sudo poweroff ? |
| 19:56.36 | tarzeau | nksen: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/sudoers |
| 19:56.41 | asg | minnime: webmin 1.7 isn't in debian, ask #webmin |
| 19:56.47 | resiak | nksen: Well then I haven't a clue. On GDM there's an option in its config to make the actions menu insecure. Perhaps something similar can be done in KDM. |
| 19:57.15 | nksen | tarzeau: i know about sudo. but it's not user-friendly for a user to give him commands. i have to do it by mouse clicks, the user expects that, he's used to windows :) |
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| 19:57.31 | tarzeau | nksen: can't you make a button that runs that command? |
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| 19:57.35 | nksen | resiak: oh i see. sure there will. thx a lot, i'll look at kdm's config files |
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| 19:57.43 | resiak | nksen: If not, install GDM. It does that stuff nicely... |
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| 19:58.28 | paulswm | nksen: well if you have acpi have the power button script do a poweroff, then all they ahve to do it hit the button |
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| 19:58.44 | nksen | resiak: indeed, i'll to that. it's not worth the time to look for the correct config file/section of kdm if it's such an ease with gdm |
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| 19:59.23 | paulswm | nksen: that would be /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh |
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| 19:59.24 | nksen | resiak: ah, it is installed. how do I change the logon-manager? |
| 19:59.41 | nksen | paulswm: also a nice idea, ideed! |
| 20:00.19 | nksen | resiak: well, it is using gdm, heh |
| 20:00.22 | resiak | nksen: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 20:01.15 | AciD` | hey |
| 20:01.17 | resiak | nksen: Actions -> Configure the login manager -> Untick "Secure actions menu". |
| 20:01.46 | AciD` | what the switch for dpkg to know from which package a file belong if it belongs to a package allready ? |
| 20:01.54 | asg | AciD`: -S |
| 20:01.58 | AciD` | thx |
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| 20:02.50 | nksen | resiak: works great! thx a lot |
| 20:03.00 | paulswm | nobody reads manpages any more, no pride |
| 20:03.25 | FieldySnuts | it's not that, they're just cluebies |
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| 20:03.52 | resiak | nksen: Not a problem. |
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| 20:04.17 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: yeah, prolly so, but how hard is it to figure out to type "man dpkg" for instance |
| 20:04.38 | FieldySnuts | it isn't. |
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| 20:05.04 | dnb | re.. i'm using ext2 partition now for my user |
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| 20:05.33 | dnb | /dev/hda5 1276 3707 19535008+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 20:05.39 | dnb | why it show like fat32 ? |
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| 20:05.47 | resiak | FieldySnuts: It is if you've never heard of man(1). However... |
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| 20:06.52 | flashball | anyone know if sarge will be released this year ? ( sorry for my english) |
| 20:06.57 | asg | flashball: most likely |
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| 20:07.57 | kensai | when I install the package propaganda-debian where the package gets installed where are the images? |
| 20:08.05 | asg | kensai: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 20:08.56 | kensai | asg, thanks |
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| 20:09.45 | w1tt | !seen golgotha |
| 20:09.46 | dpkg | golgotha <~golgotha@cpc2-cmbg8-6-0-cust56.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 2h 56m 1s ago, saying: 'Stew, some of that via C3 based stuff would be sweet if they had enough nic's in a 1u box'. |
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| 20:15.10 | tarzeau | whoa www.mtp-target.org got a new level! |
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| 20:17.11 | jorgp | is there a reason they picked postgresql over mysql as the default in sarge? |
| 20:18.19 | toresbe | jorgp: "postgresql" has more letters in it than "mysql" |
| 20:18.32 | toresbe | jorgp: It is most obviously more powerful |
| 20:18.54 | jorgp | toresbe: that explains it then |
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| 20:19.12 | toresbe | jorgp: They *do* call me a guru... ;) |
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| 20:19.35 | jorgp | toresbe: I see that |
| 20:19.37 | paulswm | !abuse toresbe |
| 20:19.42 | paulswm | heh |
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| 20:19.50 | khorben | I can't find how to define USE_SSL in debian/rules to build ircd-hybrid |
| 20:19.57 | khorben | does anyone know? |
| 20:20.04 | toresbe | Ah well, my brain is too energy-starved right now - I'm going to go into ACPI C3 so that my batteries charge |
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| 20:20.49 | toresbe | "because we all know what happens when TTL gets too little power..." |
| 20:20.50 | jorgp | when I installed sarge from scratch and told it database server it installed postgresql, just curious as to why, maybe licensing? |
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| 20:21.17 | Vegar- | Is it possible to kill a process in state D(Uninterruptible sleep)? |
| 20:21.22 | caphuso | Vegar-: no |
| 20:21.26 | paulswm | jorgp: what toresbe said |
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| 20:22.04 | Vegar- | caphuso: Not at all? |
| 20:22.09 | paulswm | Vegar-: 'uninterruptible' |
| 20:22.25 | caphuso | Vegar-: a reboot works |
| 20:22.38 | Vegar- | I can't open my CD-rom when that process is running. |
| 20:22.52 | couggg | bob2 : i have to do not partition? |
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| 20:23.00 | Vegar- | caphuso: except that |
| 20:23.03 | micahf | hey |
| 20:23.13 | micahf | is debian seriously 7 or 8 cds big? |
| 20:23.19 | micahf | because thats alot to download |
| 20:23.28 | micahf | and to burn |
| 20:23.30 | caphuso | micahf: so don't |
| 20:23.41 | paulswm | Vegar-: when a process gets like that, it's often becasue something happened like a mount point disappeared |
| 20:23.43 | toresbe | night friends |
| 20:23.56 | |rufius| | micahf: or you could just use the net install cd... |
| 20:23.58 | paulswm | toresbe: night, buddy |
| 20:24.00 | |rufius| | there's a thought :-O |
| 20:24.01 | bucky | micahf, do a net install with the sarge installer like everyone else |
| 20:24.01 | micahf | caphuso, so I'm assuming that means, yes |
| 20:24.01 | toresbe | micahf: Do you have broadband? |
| 20:24.03 | Vegar- | micahf: You only need a few MBs |
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| 20:24.16 | micahf | yea i have cable, but I'm low on CDs |
| 20:24.23 | |rufius| | micahf: so download the net install cd |
| 20:24.23 | toresbe | micahf: Burn the netinstall CD |
| 20:24.28 | micahf | ok |
| 20:24.31 | |rufius| | mach es! |
| 20:24.33 | Bramme | what packages do i need for installing an X-windows system ? |
| 20:24.34 | micahf | thanks for the advice all |
| 20:24.37 | toresbe | micahf: It downloads only the stuff you need |
| 20:24.38 | |rufius| | :) |
| 20:24.41 | toresbe | micahf: Good luck :) |
| 20:24.46 | couggg | bucky :u do in one partition? |
| 20:24.57 | micahf | I like gentoos package manager someone should port it to debian |
| 20:25.03 | micahf | :D |
| 20:25.03 | caphuso | Bramme: x-window-system-core plus a window manager plus a x terminal emulator |
| 20:25.07 | toresbe | micahf: :O |
| 20:25.10 | jorgp | night toresbe |
| 20:25.12 | |rufius| | micahf: it would defeat the purpose lol |
| 20:25.21 | micahf | haha |
| 20:25.22 | paulswm | micahf: you are presumably kidding |
| 20:25.23 | toresbe | micahf: You have now stopped me from sleeping and I shall lay in a cold sweat |
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| 20:25.30 | |rufius| | then it would be gebian or dentoo |
| 20:25.31 | bucky | couggg, i do because i keep backups so i don't worry about restoring a /home |
| 20:25.37 | paulswm | !beer toresbe |
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| 20:26.06 | |rufius| | the thought of tainting debian with such infidelity gives me the heeby jeebies |
| 20:26.07 | toresbe | |rufius|: "Dentoo, the dentist distro!" |
| 20:26.55 | |rufius| | toresbe: lol |
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| 20:26.56 | el | hello world |
| 20:26.56 | couggg | bucky wher do you download ur version... cause myn can't installe the base |
| 20:26.56 | Bramme | caphuso so xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable xterm xviddectect xcontrib twm pciutils menu gpm will do ? |
| 20:26.56 | paulswm | toresbe: Gintoo, the drunk's distro |
| 20:26.56 | |rufius| | lol |
| 20:26.56 | Bramme | and xwinow-system-core |
| 20:27.18 | caphuso | Bramme: no. "x-window-system-core xterm twm" will do |
| 20:27.27 | caphuso | and WTF is xcontrib? |
| 20:27.30 | xogon | the mount command shows "tmpfs on /dev/shm" but there is no entry in fstab is the kernel automatically doing this? is the fstab entry only to allow the user visible part of tmpfs to be mounted? |
| 20:27.31 | sussudio | Genema, the arse distro. |
| 20:27.58 | caphuso | xogon: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs is mounting it |
| 20:28.03 | paulswm | xogon: shm is mounted automatically as you have guessed |
| 20:28.43 | el | hey, i was just wondering how i get my windows drive to be accessable by all users, right now i can only look at is as root, i set it up in fstab, but im not sure what option make is so that ne1 can use it... |
| 20:28.49 | xogon | i read that i should have an fstab entry also. is this true? |
| 20:28.52 | micahf | so I'm guessing that nobody here likes gentoo... |
| 20:28.54 | caphuso | el: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 20:29.08 | couggg | bucky : wher do you download ur version... cause myn can't installe the base |
| 20:29.08 | caphuso | xogon: no |
| 20:29.16 | paulswm | el: also man fstab, man mount |
| 20:29.42 | couggg | impossible to download apt-utils what to do? |
| 20:29.47 | xogon | caphuso: okay, so i don't need fstab entry. but i can still mount -t tmpfs /tmp /dev/shm for performance? |
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| 20:30.22 | paulswm | xogon: you can mount /tmp like that, you don't need to mount shm as it's already there |
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| 20:31.09 | xogon | paulswm: great that's what i thought |
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| 20:31.22 | paulswm | xogon: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults...etc |
| 20:31.28 | couggg | help |
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| 20:31.35 | couggg | possible to download apt-utils what to do? |
| 20:31.35 | couggg | <xogon> caphuso: okay, so i don't need fstab entry. but i can still mount -t tmpfs /tmp /dev/shm for performance? |
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| 20:32.01 | xogon | paulswm: yep under Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt ... |
| 20:32.25 | zeo33x | is there a way to find out the properties of a font? like the weight, size, slant .. etc |
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| 20:33.23 | couggg | who have a sure version for debian |
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| 20:33.36 | xogon | hmm, it would be good to maybe clarify all that in the tmpfs factoid... |
| 20:34.02 | xogon | i wish i knew how to edit it |
| 20:34.19 | McLamb | are there any good debian repositories that might have more up to date programs, like a newer thunderbird |
| 20:34.35 | caphuso | xogon: /msg dpkg tmpfs is also foo bar baz foo bar baz foo bar baz |
| 20:34.46 | |rufius| | McLamb: you could use ubuntu, which is essentially debian sarge with a default 2.6 kernel |
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| 20:34.49 | Oryn | McLamb: you could try building it from source |
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| 20:35.16 | McLamb | Oryn: I really don't want to trust myself |
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| 20:35.19 | xogon | caphuso: thanks i'll give it a go |
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| 20:35.41 | tarzeau | bob2: it's installed and i managed to boot into it :) |
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| 20:35.45 | xogon | caphuso: but actually i don't know the story with woody/sarge since i only use sid... |
| 20:35.49 | Oryn | McLamb: its not hard, it just takes time, all you have to do is type make |
| 20:36.04 | Oryn | and wait ;) |
| 20:36.30 | McLamb | will my profiles still be there? |
| 20:36.50 | paulswm | xogon: I remember vaguely reading somewhere that tmpfs mounted on /tmp doesn't play well with loopback mounts of files in /tmp, but that might be outdated or inaccurate |
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| 20:37.25 | McLamb | also, i don't really know if theres anything else, everythings working fine its just :) i would rather it be newer |
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| 20:37.58 | McLamb | what about using the unstable, isn't there a way to do apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird/unstable |
| 20:38.04 | McLamb | or something similar |
| 20:38.23 | FieldySnuts | 31% [===============> ] 5,523,744 552.37K/s ETA 00:20 |
| 20:38.25 | FieldySnuts | yum |
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| 20:38.39 | FieldySnuts | heh now it's at 624KB/s |
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| 20:39.14 | xogon | McLamb: using apt-preferences you can use sarge/woody sources |
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| 20:40.11 | xogon | McCabe: sorry, /etc/apt/preferences and using pin |
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| 20:40.47 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: typical tcp/ip ;) |
| 20:40.50 | xogon | McCabe: google for: apt preferences pin |
| 20:41.12 | simonrvn | xogon: no you CAN'T MIX SARGE/WOODY |
| 20:41.22 | simonrvn | McCabe: ignore that |
| 20:41.29 | simonrvn | @lart xogon |
| 20:41.31 | McLamb | im using sarge |
| 20:41.55 | McLamb | so i guess that would be sarge/sid? |
| 20:42.05 | simonrvn | stick to sarge |
| 20:42.23 | FieldySnuts | @abuse RPM |
| 20:42.23 | xogon | simonrvn: oh sorry it mentions it in the apt-pinning docs |
| 20:42.40 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird has never hurt a woman. unless she had it coming to her |
| 20:42.41 | ravenbird | j'ai pas d'idée de quoi tu parles, FieldySnuts |
| 20:42.44 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 20:43.06 | simonrvn | xogon: YOU CAN'T MIX SARGE/WOODY or woody/sid for the simple reason you have two different libc6 |
| 20:43.09 | xogon | i guess he is misguided at http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 20:43.33 | xogon | so he could only use backported packages then |
| 20:43.40 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:43.44 | simonrvn | if on woody |
| 20:44.01 | xogon | McCabe: you could look for woody backports at www.apt-get.org |
| 20:44.19 | simonrvn | if on sarge, why bother with backports.... |
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| 20:44.46 | Leonardo_Cabelo | cafuego, hello what's up |
| 20:44.48 | paulswm | well, that was exciting, guys |
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| 20:44.59 | xogon | McCabe: are you using woody or sarge now? |
| 20:45.15 | dupondje | hi, a hdd havind some probs here, and its part of an lvm, but i can't remove the hdd from the lvm, i get 'pvmove -- not enough free/allocatable physical extents' |
| 20:45.18 | dupondje | the lvm is ~360gb, and only 20gb or smth used, and the hdd i want to remove is 120gb |
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| 20:45.39 | simonrvn | xogon: s/he said s/he was using sarge... |
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| 20:46.05 | paulswm | dupondje: you could create logical volumes on another drive and just cp -ax the volumes over |
| 20:46.10 | xogon | my brain isn't wokring right ATM |
| 20:46.52 | paulswm | xogon: take that wok ring off your brain right now :-P |
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| 20:48.20 | simonrvn | xogon: more in detail: GLIBC2.3 and GLIBC2.1 to 2.2 don't mix. 2.3 however groks 2.2. if you install or otherwise use a glibc2.3 binary on a glibc2.2 system, it won't run. i don't know exact nitty gritty details on why, but it won't run. so if you installed a bunch of sarge or sid binaries onto a woody system, you get what's called a bobbitt |
| 20:48.29 | xogon | how'd you know i'm wearing a wok ring? |
| 20:48.38 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:48.39 | nksen | what was that option in fstab to grant users access to mounted vfat-drives? |
| 20:49.20 | simonrvn | man mount, man fstab; 'user' / 'users' |
| 20:49.29 | paulswm | or, to use another colloquial expression, you've screwed the pooch |
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| 20:49.35 | xogon | nksen: man mount and look under the msdos and vfat sections for options |
| 20:49.44 | simonrvn | @bobbitt |
| 20:49.45 | ravenbird | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. see also apt-get --force remove bobbitt |
| 20:51.47 | paulswm | ravenbird: that ought to be in the /topic: mixing woody with sid or sarge may cause your weiner to drop off |
| 20:51.48 | ravenbird | You are moron #2, paulswm |
| 20:52.01 | paulswm | crap |
| 20:52.05 | paulswm | I forgot the bot |
| 20:52.11 | resiak | @lose paulswm |
| 20:52.13 | ravenbird | paulswm: You Lose. |
| 20:52.22 | paulswm | !abuse paulswm |
| 20:52.23 | dpkg | paulswm: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 20:52.44 | resiak | !botabuse |
| 20:52.44 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:52.51 | krenin | woody joke # 57349 |
| 20:53.06 | _frank_ | woody joke |
| 20:53.08 | paulswm | !moo |
| 20:53.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 20:53.08 | _frank_ | !woody joke |
| 20:53.09 | _frank_ | !joke |
| 20:53.10 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 20:54.06 | deadshell|away | lol |
| 20:54.13 | resiak | !lol |
| 20:54.13 | dpkg | lol is, like, Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 20:54.17 | resiak | ;) |
| 20:54.30 | deadshell|away | lool |
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| 20:54.43 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 20:54.55 | deadshell|away | !irritate deadshell|away |
| 20:54.57 | dpkg | deadshell|away: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable plz msg me, Function |
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| 20:55.23 | resiak | People are worryingly good at creating realistic moron factoids. |
| 20:55.27 | elirips | hello. how can i prevent module ath_pci being loaded while booting? i would like to save some power by only using the wireless-card when necessary.. |
| 20:55.59 | simonrvn | blacklist it in /etc/hotplug.d and remove from /etc/modules |
| 20:56.03 | resiak | elirips: Does it have a kill-switch? |
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| 20:56.46 | Lort_Java | ¿Con qué componentes del núcleo de Linux interactua el sistema de ficheros VFS? ¿Mediante qué operaciones? |
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| 20:58.05 | simonrvn | @spanish |
| 20:58.06 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
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| 20:58.29 | elirips | resiak: kill-switch? i just do a rmmod ath_pci now each time after booting.. |
| 20:58.37 | resiak | elirips: I mean a physical switch. |
| 20:58.40 | resiak | elirips: Never mind. |
| 20:58.47 | simonrvn | elirips: read what i said above about blacklisting |
| 20:59.32 | elirips | simonrvn: and if i do it like this, i can still simply load it with an modprobe ath_pci if i need it? |
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| 21:00.48 | simonrvn | of course. as always |
| 21:00.58 | elirips | simonrvn: thanks. |
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| 21:01.44 | pmitros | Is there a good vector graphics package in Debian? I'd like something where I can place circles, lines, and splines in exact coordinates. I'm drafting a design for a piece of furniture. |
| 21:02.06 | nvz | heh, they got a regular design dilemma downstairs. they are fighting the geometry of the living room and loosing |
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| 21:03.18 | simonrvn | s/loosing/losing/ |
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| 21:05.28 | FieldySnuts | @fuck intel off-cpu memory managers |
| 21:06.01 | paulswm | just heard this funny noise, figured it out, my cat is actually snoring |
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| 21:06.49 | simonrvn | inkspace, xfig, blender. scribus is a PITA and needs updating |
| 21:06.55 | thingfish | paulswm: actually, the same thing is going on here, right behind me. My little girl persian is snoring away like a sailor. |
| 21:07.05 | paulswm | pmitros: well the nice thing about debian is that you can install them, try them out, then purge them if you don't like them |
| 21:07.11 | pmitros | blender? I thought that was 3d. |
| 21:07.22 | simonrvn | yes. oh, you wanted 2d |
| 21:07.39 | paulswm | thingfish: elderly lady siamese here |
| 21:07.47 | thingfish | lol nice |
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| 21:08.08 | caphuso | isn't most furniture 3d too? ;-) |
| 21:08.21 | simonrvn | yes ;) |
| 21:08.41 | cavediver | Hi guys. I have problems getting nfs to work. First of all i get this in the serverlog when trying to mount. rpc.mountd: getfh failed: No such device I use woody and a 2.6.10 kernel. |
| 21:08.43 | pmitros | caphuso: Yes, but all you really need is the 2d outline of the pieces of wood you're cutting. |
| 21:08.56 | simonrvn | touché |
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| 21:09.08 | paulswm | caphuso: well I dunno, you might want 2d furniture if you live in a flat |
| 21:09.12 | FieldySnuts | @nfs |
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| 21:09.16 | caphuso | paulswm: heh |
| 21:09.18 | thingfish | lol |
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| 21:09.39 | Gumboot | Where exactly does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 put the configuration file? |
| 21:09.44 | fyn | Is there a version of cp that has displays for transfer rate and ETA? |
| 21:09.50 | simonrvn | Gumboot: guess |
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| 21:09.53 | Gumboot | It's retaining the information somewhere, but not in a file called XF86Config |
| 21:09.58 | pmitros | caphouse: 2d is also nice because you can print it, attach it to wood, trace it, and then bandsaw it. Or you can export to .ps, and cut it on the laser. |
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| 21:10.08 | Gumboot | simonrvn: I don't seem to be very good at guessing. |
| 21:10.09 | slackd00d | Gumbot: /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 or something like thatg |
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| 21:10.14 | caphuso | pmitros: i know |
| 21:10.14 | paulswm | Gumboot: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 21:10.26 | simonrvn | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:10.32 | Gumboot | No, no, and no. |
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| 21:10.37 | xogon | how do i put a newline in a factoid? |
| 21:10.37 | Gumboot | Any other guesses? |
| 21:10.39 | _frank_ | !moo |
| 21:10.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 21:10.42 | caphuso | xogon: you don't |
| 21:11.22 | simonrvn | Gumboot: *that* ^^^ , is not a set of guesses |
| 21:11.52 | paulswm | Gumboot: if you don't have /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, you have a problem |
| 21:11.53 | Gumboot | Well, I'm running the config program, and it's not complaining, and it's not generating any of those files. |
| 21:11.58 | alnr | when i send mail from kmail the mail gets a received-by header of mybox.foo.com, where is it picking up the foo.com? o/p of hostname -f is mybox |
| 21:12.06 | Gumboot | I have a problem. |
| 21:12.13 | simonrvn | yes you do |
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| 21:12.17 | FieldySnuts | maybe /etc/dnsdomainname |
| 21:12.33 | Gumboot | It'd help if it complained about something, but it doesn't. It just doesn't make the file. |
| 21:12.34 | caphuso | or /etc/mailname |
| 21:12.41 | slushpupie | alnr: the mail server might be appending that also |
| 21:12.51 | xogon | caphuso: well i edited the tmpfs one. feel free to improve/edit/delete |
| 21:12.52 | simonrvn | /etc/domainname i think. you can also set it in /etc/sysctl.conf, with a kernel.domainname= |
| 21:12.57 | paulswm | Gumboot: I assume you're running it as root |
| 21:13.03 | Gyll | Debian has started to lock up for me sometimes. System used to be stable as a rock but now I get lock-ups (total freeze, keyboard/mouse don't work, mp3-playing starts repeating last 0,5 sec played) several times per day. HW problem I guess, but what to blame? (CPU doesn't feel hot) |
| 21:13.17 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: heh that's cute, he asks how to edit one first, you say you don't, then he tells you he did |
| 21:13.30 | Gumboot | Yep. |
| 21:14.04 | thingfish | Gyll: you might want to run memtest86+. It will check your ram. |
| 21:14.04 | FieldySnuts | Gyll: maybe bad ram or ram going bad. thingfish beat me to it |
| 21:14.04 | simonrvn | !tmpfs |
| 21:14.04 | dpkg | cd /usr/src/linux/Documentation; grep -r tmpfs *, or under Sid at least tmpfs is automatically mounted at boot time by /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs (no need to add it to fstab). you can change the default size of it by editing /etc/default/tmpfs. For performance reasons you can also mount temporary filesystems there such as /tmp with a line like "tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0" in fstab |
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| 21:14.21 | FieldySnuts | let it run at least into test 5, which seems to be the best at uncovering errors (simply starting at test 5 doesn't seem to do it as well), and let it run as long as you can (day or so) |
| 21:14.22 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 21:14.35 | caphuso | xogon: i've fixed the mistake in the fstab line |
| 21:14.35 | Gyll | I can't find something strange in the logs.. I'll try checking my RAM or plugging out some of the capsules.. |
| 21:14.58 | alnr | i dont have any of those files in /etc |
| 21:15.02 | paulswm | why does dpkg talk about mounting tmpfs on /tmp and then give the line for mounting on /dev/shm |
| 21:15.12 | caphuso | paulswm: it doesn't |
| 21:15.22 | xogon | caphuso: oh god, thanks |
| 21:15.22 | simonrvn | caphuso fixed it |
| 21:15.26 | FieldySnuts | beause xogon modified it when he shouldn't have |
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| 21:15.49 | dbron | I would liek to umount /home but am told that it is busy, how can I find what proceess is using it? |
| 21:15.52 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: his modification was, ignoring that little mistake, quite good |
| 21:15.55 | caphuso | s/was/is/ |
| 21:15.59 | dbron | s/liek/like/ |
| 21:16.01 | dbron | heh |
| 21:16.03 | jason_m | can someone tell me what command to use at bootup to use the debian isntall disk as a boot disk? |
| 21:16.04 | caphuso | dbron: lsof |
| 21:16.06 | phogg | dbron: lsof, fuser |
| 21:16.06 | simonrvn | xogon: advice: don't do stupid shit when your brain isn't functioning properly |
| 21:16.08 | FieldySnuts | *confused* |
| 21:16.12 | lakcaj | Does anyone know if someone keeps a trustworthy repo of the most stable 2.6 series kernel? I'm using 2.6.8, and am having a hell of a time with CD burning, and would like to upgrade to 2.6.10 without compiling myself (although I will if I have to). Thanks. |
| 21:16.14 | dbron | caphuso: phogg thanks |
| 21:16.23 | paulswm | caphuso: sorry, didn't see your remark preceding mine |
| 21:16.25 | jason_m | i want to use the kernel from the debian cd to boot up my system |
| 21:16.30 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: the factoid stopped after the grep command, until xogon added the rest |
| 21:16.58 | bucky | Gyll, nvidia card ? |
| 21:17.15 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: the fstab fuckage was what i said 'wtf' to; the rest i thought it was already part of the factoid =) |
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| 21:17.30 | xogon | the info referred to in the original factoid, which pointed to filesystems/tmpfs.txt was actually incorrect for debian because of /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 21:17.33 | nedz | is there a debianhelp? |
| 21:17.35 | nedz | channe;l |
| 21:17.43 | FieldySnuts | TwoSchuberts quit must be talking about #fedora or ##linux |
| 21:17.47 | Gyll | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.48 | paulswm | nedz: this is kind of it |
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| 21:17.51 | simonrvn | nedz: what do you think this is? :) |
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| 21:18.12 | fyn | Is there something that'll function more or less as cp but display xfer rate? |
| 21:18.21 | FieldySnuts | rsync -av --progress |
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| 21:18.33 | xogon | i was actually trying to modify the info about fstab but cut from the wrong place, i wanted to cut from my fstab which is correct |
| 21:18.39 | fyn | FieldySnuts: Thanks. |
| 21:18.52 | gnufan | fyn:scp ;) |
| 21:18.59 | simonrvn | xogon: yeh, a lot of people are using tmpfs /tmp nowadays |
| 21:18.59 | nedz | i want to compile fluxbox via src and i never had issues in slack, but its not finding the headers/libraries this time around, and im evidently not supplying the proper directories, any ideas? |
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| 21:19.12 | fyn | gnufan: I tried scp.. oddly, it doesn't display progress between local filesystems. |
| 21:19.22 | caphuso | nedz: you're probably missing some -dev packages |
| 21:19.23 | simonrvn | nedz: 1) why are you bothering to build fluxbox? |
| 21:19.23 | bucky | Gyll, the nvidia drivers kept locking up my geoforce 2 and Ti-200 untill i upgraded to 2.6 kernel |
| 21:19.24 | FieldySnuts | rsync will. |
| 21:19.34 | nedz | im in sarge, the apt gotten flux package is running nicely.. but yea |
| 21:19.35 | fyn | FieldySnuts: Sweet. Thanks. |
| 21:19.36 | xogon | simonrvn: i have seen more than one page found off google which says to mount /dev/shm in fstab under debian which of course is wrong |
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| 21:19.55 | FieldySnuts | can't assume the intarnutt is always right |
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| 21:19.58 | simonrvn | xogon: not wrong, but pointless |
| 21:20.00 | xogon | simonrvn: but i wanted to clarify that you can in fact mount /tmp there if you want |
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| 21:20.21 | k-man | i want to make X load a specific .xmodmap file when it starts, where shuold i put the xmodmap command? |
| 21:20.21 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I thought that thar inerweb was always right |
| 21:20.22 | Gyll | bucky: I'm on 2.4.24 or something but I've not touched kernel stuff for months and this strangeness with lockups started yesterday.. |
| 21:20.26 | dbron | df shows a negative value, I am trying to get correct results for this partition, I have mounted and unmounted and run fsck, do I have to recreate the partition? |
| 21:20.26 | bucky | xogon, how do you do that? |
| 21:20.39 | caphuso | k-man: your ~/.xsession or whatever you use |
| 21:20.46 | xogon | bucky: /msg dpkg tmpfs |
| 21:20.49 | bucky | Gyll, do you have the nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:20.58 | bucky | xogon, tnx |
| 21:21.02 | nedz | simonrvn: i want an alpha'd toolbar and slit.. thats the only thing.. im picky |
| 21:21.10 | nedz | :P |
| 21:21.32 | k-man | caphuso, well... i just use the default that debian installs. i tried creating a local .xsession and addint it to that but then X complained that my session lasted less than 10 seconds |
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| 21:21.46 | k-man | s/addint/adding |
| 21:21.47 | Gyll | bucky: Yes.. But they have worked okey for me previously.. Dont think they are to blame; sometimes i get a lockup during the boot-up phase, before INIT has started! |
| 21:22.14 | bucky | ok |
| 21:22.29 | paulswm | dbron, does sfdisk -l /dev/hdX correctly list it (where X is the drive on which it resides, of course) |
| 21:22.33 | FieldySnuts | oh lame. can't browse asus' web page without flash. oh well, their lost business. |
| 21:22.36 | simonrvn | nedz: so fetch the debian source, mod debian/rules, apply patches, then fakeroot debian/rules binary should fetch you a (set of) .deb(s) |
| 21:22.38 | caphuso | k-man: make the last line of your ~/.xsession "exec whateverwindowmanageryouuse" |
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| 21:22.53 | dbron | paulswm: lemme remount it |
| 21:22.54 | xogon | "An apparently missing command caused the loss of Huygens' Channel A data stream during descent to Titan yesterday" |
| 21:22.56 | dbron | paulswm: brb |
| 21:22.57 | k-man | caphuso, oh.. ok |
| 21:23.11 | simonrvn | xogon: oh fuck |
| 21:23.14 | k-man | caphuso, could i just ad the xmodmap to /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 21:23.18 | couggg | Help i cant install the base of spare |
| 21:23.22 | gnufan | I've hit three or four web sites that were flash only this month - depressing. |
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| 21:23.42 | paulswm | xogon: that was the only data stream without redundancy, wasn't it the sound or something? |
| 21:23.44 | Zalamander | gnufan it's remarkable that you hit them -- those sites are often hard to find |
| 21:23.46 | caphuso | k-man: probably |
| 21:23.52 | FieldySnuts | no, sound came through |
| 21:24.01 | dbron | paulswm: here is a snip of the output Warning: start=9799713 - this looks like a partition rather than |
| 21:24.04 | xogon | "With two data paths, scientists had their choice of either relaying the same set of pictures to Cassini twice for redundancy or taking two sets of pictures to maximize the potential number of images. " |
| 21:24.17 | xogon | " They opted to acquire two sets of pictures, and the lack of Channel A caused half of the expected number of pictures from Huygens to be lost." |
| 21:24.21 | paulswm | dumbass ESA running Windows 98 on Huygens |
| 21:24.26 | k-man | ok, thanks caphuso. bbiab |
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| 21:24.35 | simonrvn | eeew |
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| 21:24.58 | FieldySnuts | i find it amazing we made it and what not, but I was real disappointed with the very small resolution of the pics |
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| 21:25.10 | paulswm | dbron: "rather than..." |
| 21:25.14 | FieldySnuts | still very interesting though |
| 21:25.17 | P229 | what version of gnome is in r4? |
| 21:25.26 | caphuso | an old one |
| 21:25.41 | simonrvn | i'm just amazed it didN,t crash and burn 'cause the parachuite hadn't disintegrated from all that time |
| 21:25.43 | paulswm | I think actually the landing on Titan's the most amazing thing since the moon landings |
| 21:25.50 | simonrvn | @kill my typist |
| 21:25.52 | P229 | how about kde? |
| 21:26.03 | tarzeau | P229: old too |
| 21:26.03 | caphuso | P229: also an old one |
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| 21:26.10 | ribnitz | hello |
| 21:26.14 | tarzeau | P229: why not get sarge or sid? |
| 21:26.15 | P229 | or are both the same as in the release back in 2002? |
| 21:26.22 | caphuso | P229: yes, of course |
| 21:26.30 | paulswm | dbron: sfdisl -l the *disk*, not the partition |
| 21:26.36 | paulswm | *sfdisk |
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| 21:27.04 | dbron | paulswm: sorry, misunderstood |
| 21:27.33 | simonrvn | doh |
| 21:27.35 | paulswm | dbron: np, sfidks gets kind of snooty if you give it a partition |
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| 21:27.39 | paulswm | *sfdisk |
| 21:27.40 | ribnitz | how would I replace ", at the end of a line with ",\n over muiltiple files? |
| 21:27.52 | P229 | tarzeau: how stable is sid? |
| 21:27.52 | dbron | paulswm: /dev/hda6 610+ 4864 4255- 34178256 83 Linux |
| 21:27.59 | tarzeau | P229: enough for me |
| 21:28.05 | caphuso | P229: not at all |
| 21:28.10 | P229 | tarzeau: many bugs? |
| 21:28.14 | P229 | caphuso: oh |
| 21:28.20 | tarzeau | P229: i run it on my powerpc, alpha, sparc and hppa, i386 |
| 21:28.20 | dbron | paulswm: dunno about the 4th column, looks normalish to me |
| 21:28.29 | tarzeau | P229: some packages yes, some packages not so |
| 21:28.32 | ribnitz | P229: dont use for production, don't expect to get sec updates, be prepared to fix yourself if it breaks. |
| 21:28.52 | ribnitz | P229: but otherwise works fine here. |
| 21:29.06 | ribnitz | though the productive environments are on sarge. |
| 21:29.23 | caphuso | ribnitz: perl -pi -e 's/, at the end of a line with /\n/' * |
| 21:29.25 | tarzeau | ribnitz: ours are on woody |
| 21:29.29 | P229 | ribnitz: gotcha, thanks |
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| 21:29.54 | caphuso | ribnitz: use -pi.bak if you want to perl to backup the files before modifying them |
| 21:29.57 | paulswm | dbron: looks OK to me, that would be presumably 34G (34m x 1024-byte blocks) |
| 21:30.04 | xogon | ribnitz: s/",$/,/ ? |
| 21:30.10 | dbron | paulswm: that sounds about right |
| 21:30.12 | Gumboot | Hmm. It's storing the configuration options in a generic cache, so there's no guarantee that it's even trying to create a proper file. |
| 21:30.22 | paulswm | dbron: what filesystem do you have on it |
| 21:30.29 | dbron | paulswm: ext2 |
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| 21:30.59 | k-man | caphuso, if i use .xsession, does that get loaded from gdm? |
| 21:31.09 | k-man | when i log in? |
| 21:31.28 | dbron | paulswm: recovering the data on the partition is not critical |
| 21:31.29 | caphuso | k-man: if you choose "debian session", IIRC |
| 21:31.39 | k-man | caphuso, hmm... ok |
| 21:31.44 | paulswm | dbron: and when you mount it, it mounts OK but shows up in df as negative free space? |
| 21:32.09 | dbron | paulswm: I could e2fsck it, but in the future, it would be nice to know if I can correct this... yes, when it is mounted it shows negative space |
| 21:32.23 | dbron | paulswm: I think the fs filled up at one point |
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| 21:33.21 | paulswm | dbron: no idea, I was wondering if you have modified the partition table then made the filesystem before rebooting, that can have unintended consequences soometimes |
| 21:34.03 | dbron | paulswm: no, didn't modify, I think that the root user wrote to the disk beyond the 5% reserved space... |
| 21:34.12 | paulswm | dbron: prolly just remake the filesystem then, but, like you, it would bother me that I didn't know what happened |
| 21:34.24 | dbron | paulswm: I have done this before, just didn't learn my lesson |
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| 21:34.46 | cavediver | Man this nfs is hard to get working :) |
| 21:35.16 | xogon | caphuso: actually i think the fstab entry should be /dev/shm /tmpfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 21:35.29 | caphuso | xogon: that's confusing |
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| 21:36.22 | xerophyte | To create file system based swap disk, you just have to make file wit dd then mkswap am i right ? do i have do anyting else ? |
| 21:36.24 | paulswm | dbron: aaah. but perhaps googling might turn up a reason, still seems inexplicable to me |
| 21:36.30 | dbron | paulswm: |
| 21:36.33 | dbron | paulswm: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg02224.html |
| 21:36.44 | dbron | paulswm: a better googling helped |
| 21:36.50 | dbron | paulswm: I had to mention fsck |
| 21:36.58 | virgomoon | I'm seeing an awful lot of Adaptec 2940 and 2042 SCSI adaperts on ebay for $3-$10. Is this about right or is there some reason nobody wants the Adaptec cards? |
| 21:37.02 | paulswm | dbron: that worked? |
| 21:37.11 | dbron | dbron: of course it was the debian site that had it |
| 21:37.18 | dbron | paulswm: testing now to be sure |
| 21:37.28 | paulswm | dbron: make it ext3 :) |
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| 21:37.31 | dbron | paulswm: that describes my situation perfectly though |
| 21:37.34 | dbron | paulswm: heh |
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| 21:38.35 | paulswm | dbron: then you can always delete the journal when you run out of space, ha ha |
| 21:38.36 | virgomoon | No thoughts on the SCSIs? |
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| 21:39.20 | dbron | paulswm: /me notes the helpful space saving tip |
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| 21:39.34 | xogon | caphuso: or maybe add mode=777 option ? |
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| 21:40.16 | paulswm | dbron: actually, the fsck didn't help the person in the thread you found |
| 21:40.24 | caphuso | xogon: not necessary, and wrong anyways |
| 21:40.35 | dbron | paulswm: oh no, a sad ending |
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| 21:41.14 | dbron | paulswm: I hate that, it seemded to fit so well, I will google more |
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| 21:42.42 | Assimil8or | hi all |
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| 21:43.22 | Assimil8or | I have a problem with sound not working (anymore) |
| 21:44.04 | Assimil8or | Rithmbox tells me "/dev/dsp not found" |
| 21:44.14 | Assimil8or | any ideas? |
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| 21:44.50 | gravity | Assimil8or: Can anything else play sounds? |
| 21:44.55 | dbron | Assimil8or: prolly need to add yourself to the audio group |
| 21:44.59 | zeo33x | does anyone know where fontconfig store the fonts "pattern" ? |
| 21:45.08 | slushpupie | Assimil8or: sounds like you dont have any sound drivers loaded |
| 21:45.48 | dippo | how can you tell apt-get not to upgrade a certain package on "apt-get upgrade"? |
| 21:45.49 | Assimil8or | gravity: totem and xmms don't play sound either |
| 21:45.53 | simonrvn | @gravityback |
| 21:45.54 | ravenbird | Holy crap! Lions! |
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| 21:46.06 | paulswm | hah, that's good |
| 21:46.12 | Assimil8or | dbron: audio group? |
| 21:46.33 | dbron | Assimil8or: yea, but the other suggestions were good also |
| 21:46.41 | gravity | simonrvn: :-) |
| 21:46.50 | dippo | oh, /etc/apt/preferences, i guess |
| 21:46.51 | dbron | did sound work for you recently? |
| 21:47.08 | dbron | Assimil8or: and as root is /dev/dsp there? |
| 21:47.10 | Assimil8or | slushpupie: yep, probably - but it woked before - so is there any way to tell the kernel to try reload them? |
| 21:47.11 | caphuso | dippo: /msg dpkg hold |
| 21:47.29 | gravity | Assimil8or: You probably need both things that people are telling you. You need to add your user account to the audio group (adduser yourusername audio) and also you need to modprobe the correct driver for your soundcard |
| 21:47.33 | dbron | Assimil8or: if it worked recently, it probably isnn't the group thing |
| 21:47.44 | dippo | thanks |
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| 21:48.14 | Assimil8or | dbron: there is something called dsp in /dev, yep |
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| 21:48.21 | simonrvn | gravity: :). hiya bud |
| 21:48.22 | mpc | hola |
| 21:48.27 | slushpupie | Assimil8or: if you are runing a 2.6 kernel with alsa, run alsaconfig |
| 21:48.31 | mpc | algun español????????????????????????????????????????????????'' |
| 21:48.31 | Assimil8or | dbron: it worked before the last reboot |
| 21:48.35 | gravity | simonrvn: How's it going? |
| 21:48.37 | paulswm | !es |
| 21:48.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:48.42 | mpc | por favor españoles?????????????????????????????????????????????????????'' |
| 21:48.47 | mpc | HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 21:48.51 | simonrvn | gravity: so-so, today. otherwise fine |
| 21:48.51 | Assimil8or | slushpupie: trying that .. |
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| 21:48.55 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 21:48.55 | mpc | HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 21:49.02 | gravity | What a moron |
| 21:49.07 | simonrvn | dumbass |
| 21:49.09 | paulswm | @win caphuso |
| 21:49.10 | gravity | simonrvn: That's good I guess |
| 21:49.12 | ravenbird | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 21:49.17 | Myren | how can you write into an open pipe? |
| 21:49.20 | dbron | Assimil8or: do grep audio /etc/group, make sure your user is there |
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| 21:49.27 | gravity | Myren: In what context? |
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| 21:49.48 | Myren | i've got a program reading from a fifo, i tried cat sometext >> myfifo, but it gave me a permition denied |
| 21:49.50 | krenin | how about diskette images of AOL floppies |
| 21:50.05 | caphuso | Myren: fix the permissions, or switch to the appropriate user |
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| 21:50.39 | paulswm | it ought to say AOHell really |
| 21:50.40 | xogon | do ddr ram modules always have the same number of chips on both sides? |
| 21:50.58 | Assimil8or | dbron: audio:x:29:assimil8or |
| 21:51.02 | Myren | oh, mkfifo's flags are mode & ~umask, not mode & umask, duh |
| 21:51.58 | paulswm | xogon: I hope you're not waiting for everyone to open up their boxes to see |
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| 21:53.13 | dbron | Assimil8or: sounds like drivers then, Alsa is painful to me, but there is good help here specific to that |
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| 21:53.36 | dbron | Assimil8or: maybe look at the modprobe output as suggested |
| 21:53.38 | Assimil8or | hmm, is there some simple way to locate a file on my disk? I don't know where the alsaconfig is |
| 21:54.02 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.05 | valdyn | ops |
| 21:54.33 | valdyn | Assimil8or: you might want to /msg dpkg alsa |
| 21:54.36 | xogon | paulswm: i'm not clear about mixing ECC/parity/non-parity |
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| 21:55.23 | paulswm | xogon: I understand, I can't remeber what my modules looked like |
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| 21:55.55 | Assimil8or | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.10 | Assimil8or | what does that do? |
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| 21:56.23 | Assimil8or | oh, i see |
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| 21:57.17 | deb|desparate | does anyone know anything about the print queue config? |
| 21:58.10 | deb|desparate | I have the printserver and driver installed but it will not match up with the print queue |
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| 21:58.50 | ribnitz | deb|desparate: cups or lpd? |
| 21:58.56 | deb|desparate | cups |
| 21:59.24 | ribnitz | you mean you have a printserver (box)? |
| 21:59.25 | deb|desparate | I am new to debian |
| 21:59.47 | deb|desparate | I have a jetdirect300 printserver |
| 22:00.13 | deb|desparate | I was able to configure that with hpoj |
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| 22:00.32 | ribnitz | deb|desparate: so where's the prob? |
| 22:00.37 | deb|desparate | now I need to link it to the print queue |
| 22:00.47 | ribnitz | deb|desparate: on your box? |
| 22:00.56 | deb|desparate | that is right |
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| 22:01.20 | ribnitz | deb|desparate: when choosing the port, choose Remote LPD/LPR.. |
| 22:01.23 | deb|desparate | jetdirect has no real memory |
| 22:01.57 | deb|desparate | is that is cups |
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| 22:02.45 | ribnitz | deb|desparate: localhost:631, then on your printer either confugure or similar, and as "Port" you do remote LPD/LPR.. |
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| 22:03.20 | dargy | Which ports uses samba? |
| 22:03.47 | dogmeat | use tcpdump ? |
| 22:03.51 | ribnitz | dargy: 137-139 |
| 22:03.56 | dogmeat | netstat |
| 22:04.06 | slushpupie | grep netbios /etc/services |
| 22:04.12 | cafuego | dogmeat: 137-139/445 |
| 22:04.32 | dargy | ribnitz: udp ore tcp |
| 22:04.54 | ribnitz | dargy: both, |
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| 22:05.10 | cafuego | deb|desparate: Just tell cups to print to lpd://<server ip>/rawX (where X is the port number) |
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| 22:05.49 | cafuego | deb|desparate: Or lpd://<server ip>/raw if it only has one port. |
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| 22:06.03 | arknet | ! |
| 22:06.38 | ribnitz | dargy: dont open that towards the inet though. |
| 22:06.49 | saamis | hi :). can someone please tell me how to patch my kernel? i have the patch files in the directory with the extracted kernel-source, but can't remember what to do with them :) |
| 22:07.06 | ribnitz | saamis: man patch. |
| 22:07.08 | cafuego | saamis: patch -p1 < foo.patch |
| 22:07.47 | saamis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.06 | cafuego | saamis: See 'man patch' doer the '--dry-run' option. |
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| 22:08.55 | Assimil8or | wow, wait a sec,.. |
| 22:08.56 | saamis | oki |
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| 22:09.09 | Assimil8or | I seem to be running 2.4, not 2.6 |
| 22:09.28 | cafuego | Assimil8or: good. nice and stable. |
| 22:09.47 | ribnitz | Assimil8or: Stable, well-tested. |
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| 22:11.08 | Assimil8or | yeah, ok |
| 22:11.19 | Assimil8or | but what about the sound problem? |
| 22:11.34 | cafuego | Assimil8or: There's a sound problem with 2.4? |
| 22:11.43 | Assimil8or | yep, on my machine ;P |
| 22:11.55 | slushpupie | Assimil8or: are you using alsa or oss? |
| 22:12.09 | Assimil8or | slushpupie: both |
| 22:12.19 | gravity | Er...? |
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| 22:12.26 | MadA | hello all |
| 22:12.31 | slushpupie | Assimil8or: you want one or the other |
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| 22:12.51 | cafuego | Assimil8or: Go with OSS and you're set. |
| 22:12.53 | slushpupie | Assimil8or: if your card is supported but OSS, it is simpler to set up |
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| 22:13.01 | slushpupie | s/but/by/ |
| 22:13.09 | Assimil8or | ok, thx guys |
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| 22:13.35 | slushpupie | Assimil8or: install the discover package and it should detect it at boot and load the module for you |
| 22:13.41 | MadA | i haven't used linux in a while, i'm getting back into it .. and when i left i was on slackware, and there was a text file i could edit to add a directory to my $PATH, i was woundering if there was one in debian as well, or possibly a command that needs to be executed? |
| 22:14.01 | slushpupie | MadA: for just your account, or the whole system? |
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| 22:14.13 | deb|desparate | is foo required as a back end for cups? |
| 22:14.14 | MadA | slushpupie: whole system if possible |
| 22:14.19 | cafuego | MadA: ~/.$SHELLrc /etc/environment |
| 22:14.20 | slushpupie | edit /etc/profile for the whole system, ~/.bashrc for just you |
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| 22:14.30 | MadA | cafuego: thanx |
| 22:14.54 | cafuego | MadA: And /etc/profile (though that will ONLY work for bash/sh shells, not csh ones). |
| 22:15.21 | Assimil8or | slushpupie: I have installed the discover1 package - is there any difference? |
| 22:15.29 | slushpupie | nope, thats fine |
| 22:15.35 | MadA | cafuego: bash says sumthing about the root directory when i try to type in the first command you gave me |
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| 22:15.58 | deb|desparate | client-error-not-possible bis the message I get when se=nding a test page |
| 22:16.00 | MadA | cafuego: maybe it was the /etc/profile i used to edit ... |
| 22:16.04 | slushpupie | MadA: just edit /etc/profile |
| 22:16.24 | jjr | My display is very grainy, should I make the horizontal and vertical sync higher? |
| 22:16.29 | Assimil8or | ok, then I'll try reboot now, brb |
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| 22:16.46 | MadA | slushpupie: ok, will do. thank you and cafuego very much |
| 22:16.46 | gravity | AssO: Why reboot? |
| 22:16.50 | gravity | Er, crap |
| 22:17.09 | alnr | i was just asking about this. putting in .bashrc doesnt seem to work when ssh to a box. i'm thinking it should go in ~/.profile |
| 22:17.09 | AssO | gravity: i did not reboot |
| 22:17.24 | mentor | Is it sane, and, if so, is there a sane way to: multiplex users from different domains in LDAP such that each user has a local account? |
| 22:17.39 | arknet | SHUT UP MOTHER FUCKER O TE VOY A HECHAR A CHETE CON TONICALUGA ANTISPAM TEEM WEON QUE TE OWNEEN TU B0X ok? |
| 22:17.42 | AssO | gravity: oh ic you meant assimil8or |
| 22:17.46 | gravity | AssO: Sorry, that was meant for someone else |
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| 22:17.49 | gravity | AssO: Yeah, sorry about that |
| 22:17.56 | cafuego | arknet: Can you go and do that somewhere else, please? |
| 22:18.01 | AssO | gravity: np. i was not hurt ;) |
| 22:18.03 | arknet | no i cant |
| 22:18.06 | cafuego | !ops |
| 22:18.06 | dpkg | methinks ops is please use ops <problem> so the ops know why you have summoned them |
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| 22:18.09 | arknet | fuck off |
| 22:18.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 22:18.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@164.77.90.102] by caphuso |
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| 22:18.16 | cafuego | caphuso: thanks :-) |
| 22:18.20 | mentor | merg. |
| 22:18.22 | cafuego | !lose mentor |
| 22:18.22 | caphuso | !win mentor |
| 22:18.23 | dpkg | mentor: You Lose. |
| 22:18.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, mentor! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 22:19.49 | TheAllu | Hello! |
| 22:20.09 | nvz | you guys are all on a different page |
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| 22:20.26 | mentor | !no ops is <reply>Please invoke '(dpkg|!) ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 22:20.26 | dpkg | mentor: okay |
| 22:20.27 | jjr | My display is very grainy, should I make the horizontal and vertical sync higher? |
| 22:20.32 | mentor | !lock ops |
| 22:20.34 | zinx | nvz: i think i'm just missing my covers |
| 22:20.36 | mirak | is there a tui interface for screen ? |
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| 22:20.47 | TheAllu | This is wierd Chat... |
| 22:21.04 | deb|desparate | here is one for the books, I read somewharte that cups requires a back end service like foomatic as a spool driver |
| 22:21.06 | mirak | with tabbed consols |
| 22:21.19 | nvz | zinx: probably so, though I was referring to caphuso, cafuego, and mentor |
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| 22:21.40 | mwilson | deb|desparate: Well, uh, yeah... that's kinda basic to the design, after all. |
| 22:21.44 | jjr | exit |
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| 22:21.52 | FieldySnuts | god the neighbor has like 6 dogs and they are all barking, i'm about to make it 3 |
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| 22:21.59 | Assimil8or | slushpupie: that did it, thx again |
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| 22:22.23 | mwilson | deb|desparate: The spooler can use any number of back-ends... foomatic, proprietary stuff, user-written stuff, etc. |
| 22:22.26 | deb|desparate | I think once I understand this a little better I am going to post a newbies guide howto |
| 22:22.46 | mwilson | deb|desparate: Of course, there's something wrong with the CUPS documentation itself. |
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| 22:22.53 | pepsi_ | I'm having major problems with artwiz fonts! does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 22:23.08 | gravity | pepsi_: You're going to have to be a bit more specific |
| 22:23.12 | mwilson | Does anyone get to know what problem(s) you're actually having, or do you expect people to guess? |
| 22:23.35 | deb|desparate | I figure if I do step by step howto, that would help a lot of people trying to get to a pure gpl distro |
| 22:23.50 | mwilson | deb|desparate: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 22:23.56 | deb|desparate | without pulling out hair |
| 22:23.56 | caphuso | nobody wants to get a pure gpl distro |
| 22:24.01 | cafuego | Yes! Don't use the artwiz fonts! |
| 22:24.10 | zinx | caphuso: down with XFree86! |
| 22:24.24 | deb|desparate | make it easy enough that a windows user could understand |
| 22:24.26 | mentor | deb|desparate: Perhaps a pure Free distro? |
| 22:24.28 | pepsi_ | gravity: Ive installed all thinkable font-packages, restarted x (a few times).. nothing helps, no luck on google. |
| 22:24.37 | mwilson | deb|desparate: Presumably you have some sort of cluebie issue with systems like foomatic? |
| 22:24.45 | pepsi_ | gravity: I see the font in gtkfontsel, but it is not displayed correctly |
| 22:24.54 | mwilson | pepsi_: And on top of that, you STILL haven't bothered to describe the actual problem. |
| 22:24.59 | zinx | deb|desparate: something easy enough that a windows user could understand without many core Linux utilities, or XFree86? |
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| 22:25.20 | helix | mwilson: enough |
| 22:25.21 | sno_opy | CONSEGUI!!!!! |
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| 22:25.35 | anorion | how do you remove a package without removing any of its dependencies? |
| 22:25.36 | sno_opy | ops |
| 22:25.37 | gravity | pepsi_: So they do display, but just not properly in any app? |
| 22:25.42 | helix | mwilson: if you can't speak to the newbies in here without being sarcastic and rude, we will remove you |
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| 22:25.55 | helix | mwilson: consider this your last warning |
| 22:25.55 | deb|desparate | I was using SuSE before and after it breaking from bad rpm dependencies, I decided to tough it out and go with a pure GNU/Linux |
| 22:25.58 | orcn | anorion: dpkg --force |
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| 22:26.14 | anorion | okay, thatnk |
| 22:26.15 | kruzi | anyone know another application/service similar to hopster? or a package that does the same thing? |
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| 22:26.25 | mwilson | anorion: Don't do it, though. |
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| 22:26.27 | pepsi_ | gravity: thats about it. =/ The big problem is actually that I don't really know what might be wrong =/ |
| 22:26.32 | [Loz] | Hello again |
| 22:26.42 | Nexus | Hello, I'm new to debian and scanning my server, it says that things like discard, daytime, time, etc are running.. How do I stop programs from starting at boot? |
| 22:26.47 | [Loz] | I need some assistance with debian |
| 22:26.47 | gravity | pepsi_: Ok, have you checked the bug tracking system for the fonts? |
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| 22:27.05 | pepsi_ | gravity: nope. I'll check it. |
| 22:27.17 | deb|desparate | I have 20 megs free webspace with my isp I am not using so I figured I might want to post my notes |
| 22:27.23 | [Loz] | How do I install my ATI drivers? ive got the RPM for linux, but im confused |
| 22:27.40 | orcn | Nexus: /etc/inetd and restart services with killall -HUP inetd |
| 22:27.42 | deb|desparate | just a straight texty based page to save space |
| 22:27.45 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 22:27.45 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 22:27.47 | mentor | [Loz]: Those are probably RPMs for RedHat. |
| 22:27.51 | cafuego | [Loz]: There's a debian package. |
| 22:27.53 | anorion | Loz, that's what i'm doing :p |
| 22:27.56 | [Loz] | ok, CHeers |
| 22:28.01 | anorion | oh really? |
| 22:28.06 | anorion | where? |
| 22:28.28 | [Loz] | that support the 9200SE? |
| 22:28.35 | Nexus | orcn, Ok. not sure I understand. So inetd is doing those things, but how do I get it to not come up at boot? |
| 22:28.37 | FieldySnuts | @lart ati's linux drivers |
| 22:28.41 | cafuego | [Loz]: The 9200SE should work with the free drivers. |
| 22:28.45 | [Loz] | :D:D |
| 22:28.50 | [Loz] | with accelleration? |
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| 22:29.04 | cafuego | [Loz]: Let me borrow yours and I'll let you know ;-) |
| 22:29.14 | [Loz] | O.o |
| 22:29.15 | [Loz] | lol |
| 22:29.29 | orcn | Nexus: just look at the format of /etc/inetd file and you'll understand what i tried to mean. put a comment sign (#) in front of the services you want and then re-start inetd services. that's all. |
| 22:29.55 | Nexus | orcn, I don't want any of them as far as I know... |
| 22:29.58 | orcn | Nexus: for mor complicated service filtering you can use iptables also. |
| 22:30.18 | orcn | Nexus: yep, you're right. so remove 'em :) |
| 22:30.55 | pepsi_ | gravity: nothing in the bugtracking system that helped =( |
| 22:31.15 | Nexus | orcn, I will do that! :) Is there a program that helps you configure what loads at what runlevels? |
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| 22:31.30 | Whooper | hello! is there any way to make Grub disable DMA at startup? |
| 22:31.37 | gravity | pepsi_: Hm... ok... let me see if I can display some of the fonts. For some reason I can't see them |
| 22:31.39 | ribnitz | Nexus: install file-rc, makes things alot easier |
| 22:31.52 | pepsi_ | gravity: :) thx |
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| 22:31.59 | ribnitz | Whooper: kernel params? |
| 22:32.02 | orcn | Nexus: ls -R /etc/rc?.d :) look at rc-update (ors th like update-rc) commands. but manuall configuration seems best i think. |
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| 22:32.04 | dnb | hey |
| 22:32.07 | dnb | please help me |
| 22:32.10 | Whooper | ribnitz: hopefully.. |
| 22:32.17 | dnb | joey_, are you there _ |
| 22:32.22 | FieldySnuts | dnb: if you're on knoppix, please read the topic |
| 22:32.24 | ribnitz | Whooper: nodma? |
| 22:32.29 | dnb | i am connecting from knoppix |
| 22:32.30 | Whooper | ribnitz: just installed debian testing, and it won't boot at all because of dma trouble |
| 22:32.35 | dnb | i can lose my all files |
| 22:32.52 | dnb | no normally system is debian |
| 22:32.57 | mentor | !tell dnb about ask |
| 22:32.59 | mentor | !tell dnb about enter |
| 22:33.04 | Nexus | I can't seem to find out if VNC listener server uses udp or tcp on 5500. Anyone know? |
| 22:33.05 | orcn | Whooper: re-compile a kernel for your own system without a dma support? |
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| 22:33.12 | FieldySnuts | not if you have backups, if not, don't have a whole lot of sympathy |
| 22:33.15 | dnb | but kernel has panic error |
| 22:33.24 | dnb | apm: BIOS not found |
| 22:33.32 | gravity | pepsi_: I can see them in xfontsel. Can you try that? |
| 22:33.39 | Whooper | orchid: well, can't really recompile the kernel when debian won't boot.. =( |
| 22:33.47 | FieldySnuts | chroot |
| 22:33.51 | Whooper | orcn, even |
| 22:33.52 | dnb | request_module block-major-58 : Root fs not mounted |
| 22:33.54 | orcn | Nexus: i suggest you to close all of the services at /etc/inetd and in the future, if you'll need 'em, then just add 'em again :) |
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| 22:34.01 | dnb | VFS: cannot open root device |
| 22:34.10 | mentor | dnb: I don't think apm: BIOS not found is usually fatal... |
| 22:34.14 | dnb | kernel panic: VFS : Unable to mount root fs |
| 22:34.16 | orcn | Whooper: aren't there any rescue disk, knoppix solutions? |
| 22:34.17 | mentor | dnb: There's the problem. |
| 22:34.23 | mentor | dnb: Did you install a new kernel? |
| 22:34.28 | dnb | mentor no |
| 22:34.34 | orcn | :) |
| 22:34.40 | dnb | i had a win32 fat partition |
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| 22:34.50 | Whooper | orcn: guess i could use some gentoo livecd... |
| 22:34.51 | dnb | and i changed it with mke2fs /dev/hda5 |
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| 22:35.04 | Whooper | orcn: but there isn't some way to run hdparm early in the startup process? |
| 22:35.07 | dnb | and i install windows after this process |
| 22:35.20 | pepsi_ | gravity: heh! I can see them there! neat.. what does this tell me?! |
| 22:35.28 | dnb | i try to fix mbr with debian first cd but it gave this errir |
| 22:35.30 | mentor | dnb: Ag. |
| 22:35.31 | dnb | error |
| 22:35.33 | orcn | Whooper: without starting kernel, you want to reach the kernel :) |
| 22:35.39 | dnb | what can i do |
| 22:35.40 | ribnitz | Whooper: nope. but try passing nodma to the kernel at boot? |
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| 22:35.48 | dnb | or how can i save my files via knoppix :( |
| 22:35.56 | Whooper | orcn: kernel starts, but it stops in the middle of the booting process |
| 22:36.01 | gravity | pepsi_: It's probably a problem with gtk or something |
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| 22:36.07 | ribnitz | dnb: boot knoppix, mount, copy over |
| 22:36.07 | orcn | orcn: i don't think this is possible at your position. :) maybe with uml yes, but that won't help you. |
| 22:36.12 | veleno | how can I play divx5-encoded movies other than mplayer, which complains about my system being too slow? |
| 22:36.32 | GOITIA | hola, alguien sabe de algun programa para mandar archivos automaticamente con el @find que sea compartible con el X-Chat ? |
| 22:36.34 | mentor | dnb: When you installed Windows, what did you do? |
| 22:36.34 | ribnitz | orcn: talking to yourself? |
| 22:36.35 | mirak | why does debian uses mailing lists and not just a news group ? |
| 22:36.39 | gravity | pepsi_: What version of gtk are you using? |
| 22:36.45 | dnb | what is root password of knoppix _ |
| 22:36.54 | dnb | oh okay |
| 22:36.58 | gravity | dnb: There isn't one. Open up a root shell (there's a menu item for it in the k menu) |
| 22:36.59 | ribnitz | dnb: see knoppix howto |
| 22:36.59 | tarzeau | mirak: you can use news.gmane.org |
| 22:37.06 | deb|desparate | alright, I can print a test page from cups managet in gnome and in the web interface but no applications have access tot he printer |
| 22:37.07 | orcn | orcn: why are you just boot your comp. from a livecd and compile a clean kernel with your old /proc/config.gz file without dma support. |
| 22:37.14 | dnb | mentor, i only installed windows xp after partition process |
| 22:37.21 | pepsi_ | gravity: how do I check the version? =/ |
| 22:37.28 | ribnitz | dnb: started it? |
| 22:37.34 | gravity | pepsi_: apt-cache show libgtk1.2 |
| 22:37.41 | Whooper | ribnitz: nodma => unrecognized command (using grub) |
| 22:37.47 | gravity | pepsi_: Or, if you use aptitude, highlite the package and press enter |
| 22:37.50 | mentor | dnb: On which partition? |
| 22:37.55 | pepsi_ | gravity: 1.2.10-17 |
| 22:38.03 | mirak | tarzeau: tanks |
| 22:38.06 | gravity | pepsi_: That's the one I'm using |
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| 22:38.10 | tarzeau | mirak: where? |
| 22:38.13 | ribnitz | Whooper: as a kernel option... boot linux... nodma.. |
| 22:38.17 | mirak | tarzeau: thanks |
| 22:38.21 | gravity | pepsi_: This is all standard debian unstable? |
| 22:38.23 | tarzeau | mirak: you're welcome |
| 22:38.43 | mirak | tarzeau: hum, is that the same content than on the mailing list or is it separate ? |
| 22:38.44 | dnb | on first primary partition |
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| 22:38.45 | pepsi_ | gravity: I've gotten most packages from testing |
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| 22:39.10 | mentor | dnb: What was on there before hand? |
| 22:39.16 | GOITIA | hola, alguien sabe de algun programa para mandar archivos automaticamente con el @find que sea compartible con el X-Chat ? |
| 22:39.18 | gravity | pepsi_: Hm... I don't know then. I don't have much experience with that sort of thing. From what I gather, it shouldn't make a difference right now |
| 22:39.18 | tarzeau | mirak: same stuff |
| 22:39.20 | pepsi_ | gravity: is it "allowed" to grab packages from both stable and testing? (I might have done that) |
| 22:39.36 | gravity | pepsi_: It is, but right now it's difficult because stable is so old |
| 22:39.45 | tarzeau | bob2: the alpha is working :) i even played nethack on it |
| 22:39.51 | Whooper | ribnitz: do you know how i pass kernel options with grub? |
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| 22:39.54 | ribnitz | pepsi_: yes, but usually not recommended. upgrade to a clean testing. |
| 22:39.57 | gravity | pepsi_: The whole mixing stable/testing/unstable makes things a bit weird |
| 22:40.00 | pepsi_ | gravity: ok.. could it possibly have to do with my wm? (using fluxbox) |
| 22:40.00 | tarzeau | Whooper: just add it to the end |
| 22:40.11 | tarzeau | Whooper: www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ for an example |
| 22:40.12 | pepsi_ | gravity: okey |
| 22:40.16 | gravity | pepsi_: Ah! Maybe! The one bug I saw for xfonts-artwiz was related to fluxbox. That could be it |
| 22:40.21 | veleno | anyone in debian/unstable able to play divx5-encoded movies with vlc ? |
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| 22:40.25 | deb|desparate | I know I am missing one more setting and that should get me going |
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| 22:40.31 | Lambo | what commands need to be typed to reset iptables to normal? |
| 22:40.31 | ribnitz | Whooper: and I think e to edit the current entry. |
| 22:40.48 | pepsi_ | gravity: hmm.. ok |
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| 22:40.53 | Lambo | default values |
| 22:40.56 | ribnitz | veleno: I am not playing divx movies. |
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| 22:40.58 | gravity | pepsi_: Try downloading the version of artwiz in unstable. That might work |
| 22:41.00 | tarzeau | Lambo: #iptables .. not sure -F ? |
| 22:41.06 | streuner_ | veleno: as long as you have the right codec installed, the app isn't care then... |
| 22:41.10 | dnb | http://www.pastebin.com/229316 |
| 22:41.14 | dnb | can you look here mentor please |
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| 22:41.36 | ppj | Anyone on Gentoo? Ive never joined before and I'm banned.. they ban all of verizon or something? |
| 22:41.50 | veleno | streuner_: which is the right codec, more than libdivxencore0 and libdivxdecore0 ? |
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| 22:42.04 | dargy | Anybody know the program Easy Shape? |
| 22:42.08 | dnb | how can i save debian |
| 22:42.17 | pepsi_ | gravity: ah. cool.. actually, I dont know how to choose what sorta package I want (unstable/testing etc) (ive only used deb for 2 days) =/ and the apt mini howto didnt tell =\ |
| 22:42.18 | dnb | :( |
| 22:42.23 | tarzeau | ppj: who cares |
| 22:42.31 | pepsi_ | gravity: do I have to change the source.list every time? |
| 22:42.32 | Nexus | Why does debian use a default runlevel of 2? |
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| 22:42.36 | gravity | pepsi_: Go to packages.debian.org and you can grab it there |
| 22:42.38 | streuner_ | valeno: divx5? /msg dpkg marillat |
| 22:42.39 | zinx | ppj: no, they only banned you, specificly. and you likely had to join for them to know what to ban. |
| 22:42.42 | ppj | obviously me due to my gentoo related questions? |
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| 22:42.44 | tarzeau | Nexus: why is the sky blue? |
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| 22:42.56 | pepsi_ | gravity: aah.. ok. |
| 22:42.57 | mentor | dnb: Well, I would change the type of hda5 to 83, but that's aesthetic really. Can you mount /dev/hda6 on /mnt? |
| 22:43.00 | restrex | debian rocks, ubuntu is a chroot for try gnome :) |
| 22:43.03 | Manoj` | how long do +q bans in this channel persist? |
| 22:43.07 | Nexus | tarzeau, Because. |
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| 22:43.12 | zinx | ppj: talk to the #gentoo ops; #debian can't do anything for you. |
| 22:43.17 | mentor | tarzeau: Because blue wavelengths gets scattered more.... |
| 22:43.20 | dnb | mentor, yes i mounted them |
| 22:43.25 | gravity | Manoj`: I think until the ops decide to remove them |
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| 22:43.33 | ppj | No wonder I got asshole respones, I thought this was #freenode |
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| 22:43.35 | ppj | woopsy |
| 22:43.44 | mentor | dnb: OK...so you probably just need to reainstate lilo... |
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| 22:43.51 | ppj | I meant.. how are my loyal debinates doing |
| 22:43.53 | tarzeau | ppj: it's weekend after all |
| 22:43.53 | mentor | dnb: What Linux image are you using? |
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| 22:44.06 | mentor | dnb: (or grub) |
| 22:44.07 | zinx | yay for trolls |
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| 22:44.16 | dnb | hmm dont know how can i look |
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| 22:44.23 | ppj | I'm a troll? |
| 22:44.29 | pepsi_ | gravity: is "apt-get install <filename>" what I want to do when Ive downloaded the file? |
| 22:44.35 | mentor | dnb: ls /mnt/boot/vmlinuz*? |
| 22:44.37 | gravity | pepsi_: No, dpkg -i filename |
| 22:44.45 | artichoke | could anyone advise me on a mimimalist browser? im looking for something that can handle file associations (dillo cant) |
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| 22:44.47 | dnb | vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 22:44.49 | pepsi_ | gravity: ah |
| 22:44.57 | deku | hola |
| 22:44.59 | tarzeau | artichoke: links2 |
| 22:45.19 | artichoke | tarzeau: i tried to DL it, and it wants me to update zlib1g |
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| 22:45.25 | Manoj` | well, we have some people whining in related channels about having their voice robbed yesterday, and how things are gonna be all different now |
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| 22:45.31 | tarzeau | artichoke: so what? |
| 22:45.41 | artichoke | tarzeau: so apt-get says i have the newest ver |
| 22:45.47 | mentor | dnb: Right, is there an initrd.img-2.6.8-1-386 in boot/? |
| 22:45.57 | dnb | mentor, yes |
| 22:45.58 | deku | hi i need help plz |
| 22:45.59 | tarzeau | artichoke: sid? |
| 22:46.05 | mentor | dnb: Are you using lilo or grub? |
| 22:46.08 | tarzeau | deku: do we look like mindreaders? |
| 22:46.08 | paulswm | Manoj`: wonder what that's all about |
| 22:46.15 | dnb | there isnt lilo file on /etc |
| 22:46.18 | artichoke | tarzeau: i stable i believe |
| 22:46.20 | gravity | Manoj`: That's pretty standard. They've probably already tried pestering the ops here. Ask helix about it |
| 22:46.21 | deku | no sorry |
| 22:46.25 | tarzeau | artichoke: stable doesn't have links2 |
| 22:46.26 | artichoke | no no testing |
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| 22:46.33 | deku | i have problems with my amule |
| 22:46.45 | dnb | i think grub |
| 22:46.49 | mentor | dnb: ok. |
| 22:46.54 | artichoke | rrgh. tarzeau - is there another option? |
| 22:46.56 | deku | i need permises for my x |
| 22:47.03 | streuner_ | deku: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:47.05 | tarzeau | artichoke: can you make sure your mirror is up to date and that you did apt-get update today? |
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| 22:47.12 | artichoke | i did both |
| 22:47.14 | tarzeau | artichoke: i have sid. all works perfectly |
| 22:47.15 | dnb | mentor, and what will i do now |
| 22:47.17 | gravity | deku: Permissions for X? Why? Do you need to run amule as root or something? |
| 22:47.19 | mentor | dnb: Does boot/grub/menu.lst have your Linux image configured correctly? With initrd and so on? |
| 22:47.25 | deku | no |
| 22:47.30 | tarzeau | artichoke: no matter what one tries. some mirrors (esp. unofficial ones) SUCK |
| 22:47.38 | artichoke | tarzeau: is there something i can do short of updating my level |
| 22:47.41 | deku | it doesnt runs on my own acount |
| 22:47.52 | deku | and the error says that i need permises |
| 22:48.01 | deku | i searched the error in the google |
| 22:48.37 | [Loz] | ok, ive got another problem :( |
| 22:48.51 | artichoke | tarzeau: www.debian.org ? |
| 22:49.03 | [Loz] | with those ATI drivers |
| 22:49.05 | tarzeau | artichoke: telnet linuks.mine.nu #that's the mirror i use |
| 22:49.15 | artichoke | im in the US |
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| 22:49.27 | deku | any idea gravity? |
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| 22:49.32 | dnb | http://www.pastebin.com/229320 |
| 22:49.36 | tarzeau | artichoke: im in the switzerland |
| 22:49.38 | dnb | mentor, can you look please |
| 22:50.02 | gravity | deku: Yeah, let me see if I can find a solution. One second |
| 22:50.06 | paulswm | crap, the final stage of my compressor read 2800 bytes and output 15 million before I killed it, not exactly what I had in mind |
| 22:50.10 | deku | oks :) |
| 22:50.11 | artichoke | tarzeau: i dont think its a mirror problem, i think testing just has the wrong file..is there another option for a liteweight browser |
| 22:50.18 | mentor | dnb: Are you saying you don't know if it's configured right? |
| 22:50.20 | dnb | i think they are true but how will i run it on boot |
| 22:50.31 | dnb | yeah i think its true |
| 22:50.33 | mentor | dnb: OK. You probably just need to run grub-install again. |
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| 22:50.44 | tarzeau | artichoke: that can be. i just can say it works with sid |
| 22:50.47 | mentor | dnb: Make sure you tell it where the configuration files are on your debian partition. |
| 22:50.58 | tarzeau | artichoke: i wouldn't use testing. only to fix problems in sid manually maybe |
| 22:51.08 | [Loz] | When i tell the package to unpack using "dpkg-source -x fglrx-installer_3.14.6-1.dsc" in usr/src/ in bash, I get an error saying it cant open the stated file :( |
| 22:51.20 | dnb | hm whick conf files |
| 22:51.20 | artichoke | tarzeau: i had hell with the last unstable install i did |
| 22:51.24 | dnb | which.. |
| 22:51.34 | tarzeau | artichoke: i didn't, ever. |
| 22:51.36 | [Loz] | the fglrx-install file is in the right folder |
| 22:51.36 | gravity | deku: How do you launch amule? |
| 22:51.42 | tarzeau | artichoke: i guess you did something wrong |
| 22:51.51 | artichoke | tarzeau: im relatively new and need to have a computer that doesnt lock up |
| 22:51.56 | deku | i use an icon |
| 22:52.04 | tarzeau | artichoke: sid doesn't lock up for me |
| 22:52.05 | deku | but i used the runn xcomand too |
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| 22:52.12 | ribnitz | artichoke: use sarge. |
| 22:52.19 | tarzeau | ribnitz: he's doing so already |
| 22:52.23 | deku | if i run it in the sehll i can see the error |
| 22:52.32 | [Loz] | Can someone help me? |
| 22:52.35 | ribnitz | tarzeau: and it "locks up"? |
| 22:52.40 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no it doesn't |
| 22:52.46 | ribnitz | !ask |
| 22:52.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 22:53.00 | valdyn | [Loz]: what the hell are you trying to extract an asci file? |
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| 22:53.07 | tarzeau | ribnitz: links2 he can't install. and the last time he tried sid gave him hell (whatever that is) |
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| 22:53.17 | [Loz] | I'm following the website's instructions: |
| 22:53.20 | FieldySnuts | @do [Loz] |
| 22:53.25 | artichoke | tarzeau: thanks for your insight, i appreciate it |
| 22:53.26 | leira | i cannot change my time zone! |
| 22:53.34 | [Loz] | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 22:53.35 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@cpc3-ldry1-5-0-cust245.blfs.cable.ntl.com] by mentor |
| 22:53.38 | deku | but i don't undrestand that... i ran amule one time! but then... |
| 22:53.40 | dnb | mentor, how will i use grub-install :( |
| 22:53.42 | ribnitz | leira: tzconfig |
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| 22:53.46 | gravity | leira: As root, run tzconfig |
| 22:53.50 | leira | when i use base-config to change timezone |
| 22:53.53 | mentor | dnb: man grub-install? |
| 22:54.05 | leira | it said Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method. |
| 22:54.13 | leira | it said" Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method." |
| 22:54.15 | valdyn | [Loz]: theres nothing about install foo.dsc |
| 22:54.16 | deku | mysteriously it doesn't work |
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| 22:54.23 | mentor | bah. |
| 22:54.30 | [Loz] | O.o ive been using foo.dsc O.o |
| 22:54.31 | gravity | deku: I'm installing it. One second. |
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| 22:54.35 | deku | ok |
| 22:54.37 | ribnitz | leira: any special hardware? |
| 22:54.48 | [Loz] | Aha! sorry to waste your time, my error |
| 22:54.55 | dnb | root@ttyp0[grub]# grub-install /dev/hda6 |
| 22:54.56 | dnb | mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system |
| 22:54.58 | [Loz] | Im missing the tar.gz file |
| 22:55.11 | caphuso | [Loz]: download it |
| 22:55.14 | [Loz] | I am sorry |
| 22:55.22 | ribnitz | dnb: remout as rw |
| 22:55.24 | [Loz] | I was misreading the error message |
| 22:55.28 | valdyn | [Loz]: theres 4 .deb files to download there, you need those, nothing else |
| 22:55.31 | leira | ribnitz: no, my another debian(on same machine) works just fine |
| 22:55.43 | dnb | hm |
| 22:55.45 | valdyn | [Loz]: and you dont even need all those 4, and no tar.gz either |
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| 22:55.51 | ribnitz | leira: and this is what? sid? |
| 22:55.54 | dnb | how will i mount with rw |
| 22:56.04 | leira | ribnitz: i installed this AMD64 port use cdebootstrap |
| 22:56.05 | tarzeau | dnb: mount -o rw,remount /whatever |
| 22:56.12 | leira | sid-AMD64 |
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| 22:56.31 | gravity | deku: Ok, I can run it fine, no problems |
| 22:56.38 | ribnitz | tarzeau: seen those new macs? |
| 22:56.46 | deku | ye i imagin so |
| 22:56.46 | tarzeau | ribnitz: mac mini? yes. |
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| 22:56.49 | deb|desparate | what does lp@64 mean for the print spooler |
| 22:56.51 | deku | ... |
| 22:56.54 | leira | i have a windows, so i have to change back 2 local time instead of GMT |
| 22:57.08 | ribnitz | tarzeau: they look like idea general purpose office machines to me. |
| 22:57.09 | [Loz] | ok, It's working, I'm following the instructions for the custom compile to prevent errors |
| 22:57.16 | gravity | deku: How do you know that you're running it as another user? |
| 22:57.17 | snoopy | Trying to compile xfree86. Only two entries in google for this error. I get an error on compilation saying this: No rule to make target ../../../exports/bin/ucs2any', needed by '4x6-ISO8559-1.bdf'. Stop. HELP? |
| 22:57.18 | dnb | root@ttyp0[home]# mount -o rw,remount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6 |
| 22:57.18 | dnb | root@ttyp0[home]# grub-install /dev/hda6 |
| 22:57.18 | dnb | mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system |
| 22:57.29 | deku | ? |
| 22:57.38 | gravity | snoopy: Try #xfree86 |
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| 22:57.44 | tarzeau | dnb: i told you something different |
| 22:57.47 | zinx | dnb: ls -l /dev/hda6 |
| 22:57.54 | deku | i hav not changed my user, but now amule says that i need permises for the x to run it |
| 22:58.01 | dnb | brw------- 1 root root 3, 6 May 5 1998 /dev/hda6 |
| 22:58.04 | deku | i don't know that have happened |
| 22:58.09 | Whooper | ribnitz: working now... =) thanks! |
| 22:58.10 | leira | ribnitz: it seems tzconfig dosen't change the hw time method(GMT or Local) |
| 22:58.12 | gravity | deku: So you're just running it as your normal user account? |
| 22:58.17 | zinx | dnb: and also, mount | grep /dev |
| 22:58.19 | deku | yes |
| 22:58.27 | gravity | Ah, Ok. I was confused... |
| 22:58.33 | deku | me too |
| 22:58.38 | ribnitz | Whooper: edit the grub config file to permanently add the parameter. |
| 22:58.44 | deku | what might i do so? |
| 22:58.44 | gravity | deku: You can run other X apps just fine though, right? |
| 22:58.45 | dnb | http://www.pastebin.com/229321 |
| 22:58.52 | deku | yes |
| 22:58.54 | [Loz] | ok, the thing has chucked me an error: dh_testdir: Command not found, any ideas? |
| 22:59.01 | deku | all other except amule i think |
| 22:59.12 | valdyn | [Loz]: why are you not using the precompiled packages? |
| 22:59.28 | [Loz] | I dont know, |
| 22:59.31 | ribnitz | !gentooism |
| 22:59.37 | [Loz] | O.o |
| 22:59.39 | gravity | deku: Can you paste the error message in #flood? |
| 22:59.43 | caphuso | [Loz]: install the build depends listed in debian/control |
| 22:59.46 | kruzi | i love the update-rc.d appo |
| 22:59.48 | deku | oks |
| 22:59.49 | kruzi | its awesome |
| 22:59.52 | deku | one moment plz |
| 22:59.53 | kruzi | to load all my scripts etc :) |
| 23:00.07 | leira | ribnitz? |
| 23:00.12 | [Loz] | Sorry, can you reword that? |
| 23:00.17 | valdyn | [Loz]: add the two lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list as explained there, and run apt-get update and install packages |
| 23:00.27 | deku | #Initialising aMule |
| 23:00.27 | [Loz] | ok |
| 23:00.27 | deku | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:00.27 | deku | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:00.29 | [Loz] | cheers |
| 23:00.31 | ribnitz | leira: no idea. |
| 23:00.37 | caphuso | [Loz]: pager debian/control, quit, install the packages listed in the Build-Depends: line |
| 23:00.49 | leira | ribnitz: can i just edit some file to change it? |
| 23:01.00 | gravity | deku: Are you sure you're not running it as root? |
| 23:01.08 | streuner_ | deku: so you pirate stuff, and haven't any idea how run that app? |
| 23:01.10 | gravity | deku: Because that looks suspiciously like you're root |
| 23:01.18 | ribnitz | leira: you can edit any file to change it. :) |
| 23:01.44 | deku | uops sorry i opend now as a root with the shell |
| 23:01.59 | deku | but in the normal graffic account i t doesbnt works |
| 23:02.09 | leira | .. ok, thank u, ribnitz |
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| 23:02.57 | gravity | deku: What version of amule do you have? apt-cache show amule can tell you |
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| 23:03.36 | deku | Version: 1.2.6+rc8-1 |
| 23:03.46 | gravity | Hm... weird |
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| 23:04.36 | gravity | deku: I'm afraid I don't know how to help you. Sorry |
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| 23:05.05 | deku | oh... so,...thanks :) |
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| 23:06.08 | deku | and, ya don't know what have i do for give permissions to the x? |
| 23:06.35 | streuner_ | deku: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 23:06.43 | streuner_ | (only the version) |
| 23:06.48 | deku | let me see... |
| 23:06.52 | leira | ribnitz: what cmd should i use to change the hw clock GMT or local? |
| 23:07.18 | leira | ribnitz: since tzconfig cannot do it |
| 23:07.19 | streuner_ | leira: scroll up, somebody told you already. |
| 23:07.32 | deku | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:07.32 | deku | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:07.32 | deku | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:07.32 | deku | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 23:07.32 | deku | +++-=====================-=====================-========================================================== |
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| 23:07.40 | streuner_ | leira: why shouldn't tzconfig work? |
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| 23:08.28 | snoopy | Anyone know of a way to make xfree86 just enough to let me compile my video driver for it (unichrome). I have followed the min ihow to but xfree86 will not compile for me, see earlier post. |
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| 23:08.52 | streuner_ | !b-e snoopy |
| 23:08.53 | dpkg | snoopy: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:08.55 | leira | streuner_: it just change time zone, but not change the hw clock |
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| 23:09.05 | valdyn | snoopy: theres a repository with debs of that |
| 23:09.07 | streuner_ | snoopy: install xlibs-dev too |
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| 23:09.22 | leira | streuner_: which one? |
| 23:09.26 | valdyn | snoopy: so, you might not need to compile X |
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| 23:09.30 | streuner_ | !find hwclock |
| 23:09.32 | snoopy | What does !b-e mean? |
| 23:09.35 | deku | #Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 23:09.35 | deku | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 23:09.35 | deku | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 23:09.35 | deku | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 23:09.35 | deku | +++-=====================-=====================-========================================================== |
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| 23:09.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hwclock' (3 shown): (/etc/apm/scripts.d/hwclock) in admin/apmd ;; (/sbin/hwclock, /etc/init.d/{hwclock.sh|hwclockfirst.sh}, /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock.gz) in base/util-linux ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/program/hwclock.te, /usr/share/selinux/policy/default/file_contexts/program/hwclock.fc) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
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| 23:09.44 | streuner_ | argh |
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| 23:10.00 | deku | have you seen it? |
| 23:10.17 | gravity | ... |
| 23:10.18 | streuner_ | deku: don't paste here. |
| 23:10.25 | deku | i se... |
| 23:10.30 | deku | i see... |
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| 23:10.46 | snoopy | steuner: newbie build-essential by apt-get? |
| 23:11.19 | DaCa | leira: if you're looking into defining if your clock is set GMT or local: vi /etc/default/rcS |
| 23:11.22 | deku | you said me taht you can see the think taht i had pasted |
| 23:11.23 | snoopy | It's ok, just did apt-get d-ling 17MB. |
| 23:11.30 | ribnitz | deku: /quit |
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| 23:11.42 | streuner_ | leira: man hwclock |
| 23:11.47 | lakupuu | how do i change my hostname? |
| 23:11.56 | gravity | deku: Don't paste the whole line. Just type the version number that he asked for. |
| 23:12.04 | streuner_ | snoppy: apt-get install build-essential xlibs-dev |
| 23:12.05 | gravity | lakupuu: edit /etc/hostname |
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| 23:12.11 | deb|desparate | ok from what I can tell, the cups is working but the system is not seeing cups as the printing manager, so this may be a system wide problem about assigning print managers |
| 23:12.18 | dnb | tarzeau, i couldnt install grub already |
| 23:12.20 | gravity | lakupuu: Also you can use hostname to change it for the current session |
| 23:12.26 | karol | hello #debian |
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| 23:12.35 | deb|desparate | hello |
| 23:12.41 | tarzeau | dnb: why not? |
| 23:12.45 | deku | version 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 23:12.54 | snoopy | valdyn: debs of what m8? |
| 23:12.56 | karol | i'm looking for a tool to help me backup my home computer's disk |
| 23:12.57 | leira | DaCa: my rcS has already set UTC=no |
| 23:13.00 | dampjam | Anybody know how to setup pam_krb5.so so that logins all use kerberos? Any good tutorials? |
| 23:13.02 | tarzeau | dnb: sid? sarge? woody? |
| 23:13.04 | dnb | read only problem :( |
| 23:13.09 | lakupuu | gravity: that's not the canonical hostname, is it :o |
| 23:13.13 | pipeline | karol: gnu tar is probably the tool you want. |
| 23:13.14 | dnb | hm sarge. |
| 23:13.16 | tarzeau | dnb: are you not able to remount rw? |
| 23:13.20 | deb|desparate | so the berkeley /systen V commands are not seeing the print deamon |
| 23:13.20 | gravity | lakupuu: I beg your pardon? |
| 23:13.22 | valdyn | deb|desparate: with "system" you might be referring to applications not finding a bsd print system ( apt-get install cupsys-bsd |
| 23:13.23 | snoopy | Thx steuner, doing that now. hope it fixes the prob! |
| 23:13.28 | dnb | root@ttyp0[admin]# mount -o rw,remount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6 |
| 23:13.28 | dnb | root@ttyp0[admin]# grub-install /dev/hda6 |
| 23:13.28 | dnb | mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system |
| 23:13.29 | karol | i'm pretty linux saavy, but in this case i'm hoping to find something with a gui. |
| 23:13.33 | leira | DaCa: but my time is still 8h diff with hw clock |
| 23:13.41 | valdyn | snoopy: unichrome software and X server |
| 23:13.42 | dnb | it remount again but dont install grub |
| 23:13.44 | tarzeau | dnb: mount -o rw,remount -t ext3 /mnt/hda6 |
| 23:13.46 | tarzeau | dnb: just do that |
| 23:13.59 | dnb | show help part |
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| 23:14.09 | pipeline | karol: I think you're pretty screwed. You can either write a GUI wrapper for gnu tar, or you could use something like lonetar. |
| 23:14.11 | karol | also, i'd like something that can archive to dvd+r without a lot of fuss. |
| 23:14.13 | streuner_ | snoopy: if the unichrome driver doesn't work just use VESA |
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| 23:14.34 | snoopy | Valdyn: Don't know where the unichrome deb is. I have ben looking for ages! |
| 23:14.36 | pipeline | karol: I've heard a lot of good stuff about lone-tar on SCO http://www.lone-tar.com/ |
| 23:14.37 | streuner_ | snoopy: some chipsets aren't supported or have bugs |
| 23:14.47 | gravity | Manoj`: What's that backup utility that you use? |
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| 23:14.56 | valdyn | snoopy: googling for you.. |
| 23:14.58 | deku | no more ideas so?... |
| 23:14.58 | lakupuu | gravity: http://lakupuu.mine.nu/phpsysinfo/index.php |
| 23:15.06 | pipeline | karol: I wouldn't use it though; I prefer tools that I know will be around for the long haul. e.g. gnu tar, dump/restore. |
| 23:15.13 | snoopy | steuner: I am using vesa but I want to try Unichrome for video/dvd playback. |
| 23:15.23 | valdyn | snoopy: http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de/~glaweh/debian/ |
| 23:15.33 | snoopy | streuner. Sorry guys error in compile still there! |
| 23:15.37 | karol | pipeline: can tar write to dvds? |
| 23:15.39 | leira | streuner_: hwclock --debug says: hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory. |
| 23:16.00 | streuner_ | leira: what version of debian do you use? |
| 23:16.04 | leira | streuner: then how can i create one? |
| 23:16.14 | dnb | i will restart and try again with installiation cd |
| 23:16.17 | streuner_ | snoppy: show us the error, only the first 2 |
| 23:16.24 | pipeline | karol: No. tar writes to files and to tape. You could automate the process of making a DVD iso rather easily, but you're not going to find an app that does exactly what you want for free, bud. |
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| 23:16.33 | streuner_ | leira: installed via d-i? |
| 23:16.39 | leira | streuner_: amd64, i used cdebootstrap |
| 23:16.40 | gravity | lakupuu: I can't read this language, I'm sorry |
| 23:16.43 | snoopy | Have to type this so be patient and thx for helping. |
| 23:16.50 | pipeline | karol: lone-tar is a commercial product that does what you want. Have fun :P |
| 23:16.54 | gravity | lakupuu: I also don't understand what it is you're asking me |
| 23:16.57 | lakupuu | gravity: refresh, i've changed it |
| 23:17.02 | streuner_ | leira: oh, join #debian-amd64 then |
| 23:17.05 | leira | streuner_: did i missed some step |
| 23:17.15 | lakupuu | gravity: system vital > cannonical hostname > how to change it? |
| 23:17.16 | gravity | lakupuu: Oh. yeah, that's the canonical hostname, I think. I've never heard that term before |
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| 23:17.30 | tarzeau | lakupuu: you know links2 or screen ? |
| 23:17.32 | streuner_ | leira: maybe you have devfs or udev installed, but i don't use amd64 |
| 23:17.34 | snoopy | Steuner: Only one error I think causing all other errors. See #flood. I have put it there earlier. |
| 23:17.38 | streuner_ | !amd64 |
| 23:17.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 23:17.42 | lakupuu | tarzeau: yes |
| 23:17.51 | karol | it seems like other home debian users have the same need that i do: |
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| 23:18.09 | karol | simple backups to an optical disc |
| 23:18.19 | leira | streuner_: neither installed |
| 23:18.22 | karol | do they really all hand-roll find/tar scripts |
| 23:18.26 | tarzeau | karol: to a cd-r yes. |
| 23:18.34 | pipeline | karol: tar will do it without using find. |
| 23:18.49 | karol | or is there an official debian backup script? |
| 23:18.55 | leira | streuner_: #debian-amd64 r silent, no one answers me |
| 23:19.09 | streuner_ | leira: well, have some patient then. |
| 23:19.13 | CRAc | hola alguien habla espanol? |
| 23:19.16 | pipeline | karol: And the app I suggested to you does exactly what you want. I don't think many home users do incremental backups to DVD+RW. You could write a GUI app in Ruby that wraps around GNU tar. I've never seen fit to do so, but it shouldn't be that hard. |
| 23:19.17 | streuner_ | !es |
| 23:19.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:19.19 | gravity | karol: Nope. One sec, I've heard of a good backup system with a gui, let me just find it |
| 23:19.23 | deb|desparate | so cups needs the bsd handler for the print jobs and cannot really work with the lpr deamon |
| 23:19.34 | tarzeau | pipeline: there's Zipper.app |
| 23:19.42 | caphuso | deb|desparate: what? |
| 23:19.47 | leira | streuner_: i think maybe it is the problem with the cdebootstrap intallation |
| 23:20.12 | leira | streuner_: maybe i lost the step to create the file /dev/rst |
| 23:20.28 | deb|desparate | when using cups, you need the bsd printing interface to hand print jobs off to cups? |
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| 23:20.37 | caphuso | deb|desparate: huh? |
| 23:20.50 | leira | streuner_: maybe i lost the step to create the file /dev/rtc |
| 23:20.52 | pipeline | tarzeau: Heh, yet another reason to mourn the passing of GNUstep, eh? |
| 23:21.12 | karol | gravity: ok |
| 23:21.18 | deb|desparate | I just install the cupcsys-bsd it removed lpr and now it is working |
| 23:21.22 | tarzeau | pipeline: why do you think gnustep is mourn or passing? |
| 23:21.32 | streuner_ | leira: so you haven't devfs or udev installed? |
| 23:21.43 | caphuso | deb|desparate: is your question by any chance related to the difference between lp(1)/lpr(1) and friends? |
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| 23:22.26 | leira | streuner_: no |
| 23:22.29 | valdyn | deb|desparate: applications are older than cups so they cannot talk to cups directly, thats fixed by cupsys-bsd |
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| 23:22.38 | gravity | karol: You may want to take a look here http://www.linux-backup.net/App/ |
| 23:22.40 | snoopy | valdyn. That site scare me. I looked there before and I could not get the link for apt to work. Couldn't get whole way into his site. I am afraid I will break this debian install if I play about with all thise drm or dri files. |
| 23:23.01 | deb|desparate | that makes a lot of sense |
| 23:23.04 | leira | streuner_: so, do i have to intall one? |
| 23:23.09 | caphuso | deb|desparate: wait, you tried to print with cups by using the lpr command of the lpr package? |
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| 23:23.21 | deb|desparate | yep |
| 23:23.22 | caphuso | deb|desparate: and then you wondered why it didn't work? |
| 23:23.53 | deb|desparate | I have never installed network printers in debian before |
| 23:24.04 | nsanity | So who do I talk to when I get a kernel panic right after installing? |
| 23:24.12 | karol | gravity: thanks for the link |
| 23:24.22 | MobyTurbo | !tell nsanity about ask |
| 23:24.36 | snoopy | Aw man, my xfree is not working now at all. |
| 23:24.36 | caphuso | deb|desparate: it's not different from configuring a local printer |
| 23:24.48 | gravity | karol: You're welcome |
| 23:24.48 | nsanity | Okay well then. |
| 23:24.59 | valdyn | snoopy: its pretty safe, unless you dont trust that guy |
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| 23:25.16 | deb|desparate | Now I need to get it so I can automount my usb thumb drive as a user and access the files at will and write to it as well |
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| 23:25.30 | leira | how 2 use debhelper? |
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| 23:25.37 | leira | the bot |
| 23:25.41 | karol | I just can't belive that there isn't a gnome-backup or something |
| 23:25.44 | snoopy | Anyone give me the apt-get's needed to put Xfree back in again as an image, not as source? |
| 23:25.50 | mornfall | leira: you mean dpkg? |
| 23:25.52 | karol | maybe I have to write it... |
| 23:25.53 | gravity | leira: You don't use debhelper. You can use dpkg though |
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| 23:26.02 | nsanity | I just finished installed Debian Sarge on my laptop (which tri-boots XP Pro, Slack (and now sarge) and after rebooting I get a Segmentation fault. |
| 23:26.14 | nsanity | pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 23:26.19 | leira | i mean the irc bot here, debhelper |
| 23:26.23 | nsanity | /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 23:26.24 | streuner_ | leira: where did you download that app? |
| 23:26.28 | Rage_ | snoopy aptitude is nice.. |
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| 23:26.39 | hacim | are the kernel security holes reported by the grsecurity people fixed in 2.6.10? |
| 23:26.45 | FieldySnuts | hacim: no |
| 23:26.46 | leira | streuner_: which app? |
| 23:26.50 | snoopy | Aptitude, whats that? |
| 23:26.53 | hacim | FieldySnuts: hrm, are there patches? |
| 23:26.57 | streuner_ | leira: cdebootstrap |
| 23:26.59 | FieldySnuts | hacim: somewhere at grsecurity.net |
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| 23:27.13 | pmitros | hacim: Linux security, actually, Linux kernel development as a hole, is going to shit. |
| 23:27.20 | leira | its official, from sid |
| 23:27.21 | Rage_ | snoopy ncurses gui for apt-get, makes it easy to find stuff your not sure on the name |
| 23:27.23 | pmitros | s/hole/whole |
| 23:27.27 | leira | streuner_: its official, from sid |
| 23:27.31 | snoopy | I broke my xfree trying to compile 4.4. Is there any cmplete package that will put it back for me? |
| 23:27.40 | streuner_ | leira: URL? |
| 23:27.47 | snoopy | Thx rage |
| 23:27.53 | [Loz] | I'm having trouble with those ATI drivers again, |
| 23:28.01 | FieldySnuts | tell ati, not us |
| 23:28.03 | leira | a mirror, mirror.cn99.com |
| 23:28.09 | snoopy | Rage: does this not need X? |
| 23:28.10 | [Loz] | No, installing them |
| 23:28.16 | leira | is it the problem? |
| 23:28.21 | Rage_ | snoopy nah.. I wouldnt suggest it if it did, heh |
| 23:28.23 | irfaN | bye all |
| 23:28.25 | pmitros | loz: 2.6.10 breaks ATI's proprietary drivers. |
| 23:28.43 | [Loz] | its the ones off that website |
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| 23:28.46 | pmitros | loz: You're SOL if you use proprietary drivers. |
| 23:28.47 | snoopy | Rage: Thx. D-ling it now. |
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| 23:29.05 | [Loz] | im not using the prop. drivers |
| 23:29.07 | rjbase89 | hi all... |
| 23:29.09 | [Loz] | http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#working |
| 23:29.13 | [Loz] | those ones |
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| 23:29.28 | MobyTurbo | [Loz]: fglrx is the propritary driver |
| 23:29.37 | leira | streuner_: it is 2 late, and i have to sleep now, thank u help, maybe wen can talk next time |
| 23:29.40 | valdyn | [Loz]: maybe you should read at least the first few lines on that site |
| 23:29.43 | pmitros | loz: Those are the proprietary drivers. |
| 23:29.50 | [Loz] | ok |
| 23:30.07 | [Loz] | I was told to download the binarys off there |
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| 23:30.26 | pmitros | loz: They give you 3d accel, but suck because they are proprietary. You should use the free ones instead, unless you need 3d. |
| 23:30.27 | snoopy | Reg: Nice, that aptitude. Anyhow. I gotta go to bed. Been working this Debian all day. Thx for the help. |
| 23:30.28 | streuner_ | leira: ok, last question, why not just using the isos from debian itself? |
| 23:30.40 | snoopy | That's mean't o be addr'd to Rage! |
| 23:30.47 | pmitros | loz: The free ones are included with Debian. |
| 23:31.09 | [Loz] | But i want 3d acceleration |
| 23:31.36 | [Loz] | Its actually a build.sh problem. error: Link /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/build does not exist (or is not a link) |
| 23:31.38 | FieldySnuts | then use the binaries, but realize they are proprietary, from ati, i.e. we do not support them, ati does |
| 23:31.51 | pmitros | loz: Then ask ATI for help. |
| 23:32.18 | [Loz] | It syays those binarys were compiled for the peeps who dont want to compile them... |
| 23:32.23 | leira | i didn't use isos, i just use d-i. this time i have a debian port installed, so i use cdebootstrap to install And64 port. |
| 23:32.24 | rjbase89 | anyone seen the new debian gnu/linux 3.x bible? |
| 23:32.27 | pmitros | loz: http://www.ati.com/support/contact.html |
| 23:32.37 | pipeline | tarzeau: Because it has. It's not passing, it's long since passed. |
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| 23:32.41 | FieldySnuts | THIS IS NOT AN ATI BINARY SUPPORT CHANNEL, TAKE IT ELSEWHERE |
| 23:32.43 | FieldySnuts | christ |
| 23:32.49 | leira | streuner_: i didn't use isos, i just use d-i. but this time i have a debian port installed, so i use cdebootstrap to install And64 port. |
| 23:32.52 | [Loz] | it has the source here: http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#src |
| 23:32.56 | MobyTurbo | rjbase89: it hasn't been released yet. |
| 23:32.58 | pipeline | tarzeau: We've had this discussion. You go on using GNUStep, I'll go on using (and writing for) gnome. |
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| 23:33.16 | tarzeau | pipeline: that's fine for me. |
| 23:33.32 | rjbase89 | Moby> ya ... I have been chomping at the bit to get a copy... |
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| 23:33.41 | tarzeau | pipeline: i just disagree that it has passed. but you can think what you want. and i can what i want :) |
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| 23:33.50 | leira | streuner_: it common way 2 install debian using cdebootstrap with a installed linux |
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| 23:34.28 | pipeline | tarzeau: It's the magic of multiple-platform code. No one group of coders can make mandates. If you think about it, the only portion of a free unix-like that has no competing project is binutils. |
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| 23:34.33 | [Loz] | can anyone just tell me what the error means? |
| 23:34.50 | leira | streuner_: but it is my first time using sdebootstrap, i don't know if i missed any step. |
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| 23:35.35 | leira | streuner_: ok, 2 sleepy~ i have sleep now. bye |
| 23:35.39 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: GNUstep has some compatability with Mac OS X libaries and is available for many Unix-like operating systems. |
| 23:36.06 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: That's my point. |
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| 23:36.11 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: it is a free implementation of the application and foundation kit, which are just cocoa without apples braindead extensions to it |
| 23:36.27 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: yep |
| 23:36.35 | cinix | Trying to upgrade my testing installation and it's trying to remove KDE, can't figure out what's pushing it out. |
| 23:36.39 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: :) hey zombi! |
| 23:36.42 | pipeline | Is there actually any software out there that was ported from OS X to free unix, though? |
| 23:36.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes. www.cenon.info |
| 23:36.59 | pipeline | There's lots of software that uses Motif or GTK on OS X, but I see precious little the other way around. |
| 23:37.04 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: zombie? |
| 23:37.06 | tarzeau | pipeline: and there's Pixen too |
| 23:37.14 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: dead, you know -- but alive :) |
| 23:37.28 | MobyTurbo | heh |
| 23:37.33 | petemc | pipeline: the darwin streaming server? |
| 23:37.38 | tarzeau | pipeline: yuck motif!!!! the disaster! and gtk!! even wors |
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| 23:38.30 | seb_ | hi |
| 23:38.37 | artichoke | tarzeau: me again. have you used skipstone? |
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| 23:39.02 | tarzeau | artichoke: no. and i hope i don't have to use any of that crappy browsers soon |
| 23:39.02 | seb_ | can someone tell me how to connect bluetooth gps with debian ? |
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| 23:39.20 | artichoke | tarzeau: you use? |
| 23:39.27 | tarzeau | artichoke: but switch to one wrapped into GNUstep (preferably OmniWeb) |
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| 23:39.55 | tarzeau | artichoke: dillo, links2, galeon. OR when on OPENSTEP OmniWeb, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 23:40.07 | pipeline | petemc: Ooh, good point. |
| 23:40.32 | pipeline | tarzeau: Is Openstep omniweb even updated, now that they're selling it on OS X? |
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| 23:40.53 | tarzeau | pipeline: no. they just have updated versions for OS X |
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| 23:41.30 | SilentBob | I have a fucked up secondary hdd, And I did e2fsck -aC /dev/sdb3 while it wasn't mounted.. |
| 23:41.35 | SilentBob | I just get errors and it stops. |
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| 23:42.21 | SilentBob | e2fsck -pv /dev/sdb3 |
| 23:42.24 | artichoke | tarzeau: haveta check out galeon. it looked dusty |
| 23:42.24 | SilentBob | rather, is what I type. |
| 23:42.32 | SilentBob | /dev/sdb3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while reading block 532 |
| 23:42.32 | SilentBob | /dev/sdb3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read reading journal superblock |
| 23:42.32 | SilentBob | e2fsck: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while checking ext3 journal for /dev/sdb3 |
| 23:42.42 | neenee | nite. |
| 23:42.48 | [Loz] | nite |
| 23:42.51 | tarzeau | artichoke: it is. i only use it because people write broken html forms |
| 23:43.07 | elnovato | i want to focus 100% on linux , i will quit my job, i just need 1000 usd per month and ill develop, am i hired? |
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| 23:43.07 | tarzeau | artichoke: and css or other crap that doesn't work with non-css browsers |
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| 23:43.26 | pipeline | tarzeau: The openstep story is especially sad when you consider how *much* software was written for that platform. I mean, by the time that Apple bought NeXTstep, the software library was probably close to half that of Win 3.1 -- with what, 1% as many users, tops, across the entire lifespan of the platform? |
| 23:43.26 | deb|desparate | I have one more box to set up with this and hopefully I can make a detailed set of instruction and put them in a central location |
| 23:43.44 | artichoke | tarzeau: i want kmeleon! very configurable windoze browser...but no *nix version |
| 23:43.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: there is alot of software for it yes. and the pity is that the stuff was so overpriced |
| 23:44.03 | deb|desparate | Is there a place I can post my homespun howto to ? |
| 23:44.06 | tarzeau | artichoke: i don't want it |
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| 23:44.14 | tomb0y | SilentBob: check the cables, make sure theyre not loose etc, also if on a ata card, make sure its fully connected snuggly, otherwise it sounds like your drive is goin bad. |
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| 23:44.23 | pipeline | tarzeau: It wasn't overpriced by the standards of the day. It was actually rather cheap. |
| 23:44.34 | SilentBob | tomb0y, This is remotely. |
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| 23:44.38 | SilentBob | From a datacenter. |
| 23:44.39 | pipeline | tarzeau: Keep in mind that, ten years ago, desktop software was vastly more expensive than it is today. |
| 23:44.40 | tarzeau | pipeline: GNUstep has it all. it's just missing software (but even that is being filled out, quite ok fast) |
| 23:44.40 | elnovato | somebody hire me!! |
| 23:44.57 | SilentBob | tomb0y, It's eide, 200giger |
| 23:45.10 | tomb0y | SilentBob: well tell the admin to check those things, until then, id suggest to not read/write to it |
| 23:45.12 | FieldySnuts | @stfu elnovato |
| 23:45.12 | pipeline | tarzeau: Heh, I maintain that it's too late. I'm blown away by how much gnome software there is in comparison to all other desktop environments (including Motif/CDE, even) |
| 23:45.14 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP elnovato! |
| 23:45.20 | elnovato | im also a chef |
| 23:45.24 | elnovato | ok ok |
| 23:45.29 | kbrooks | elnovato: STFU |
| 23:45.35 | pipeline | elnovato: Can I hire you to shut up? I'll give you a dollar, and you'll never talk again, you see. |
| 23:45.38 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:45.48 | bbhill | Damn Drama up in here! |
| 23:45.56 | bbhill | elnovato: you really a chef? |
| 23:46.01 | elnovato | im the jude of #debian.... snif... |
| 23:46.02 | tarzeau | pipeline: everytime i try gnome or kde these days. gnustep is so alive ! |
| 23:46.09 | bbhill | elnovato: If so, come work for me as a line cook, i'll pay you 5.15$ US an hour. |
| 23:46.20 | tarzeau | pipeline: just look at the gnome file open dialog! it's utterly crappily broken |
| 23:46.25 | pipeline | tarzeau: Heh, it's getting to the point where even KDE doesn't have the vim and vigor that it used to. It certainly doesn't have the hearts and minds. |
| 23:46.33 | tarzeau | pipeline: what's that buttons with directory names in it bullshit??? |
| 23:46.39 | tarzeau | they eat drugs when they do that shit? |
| 23:46.41 | gravity | tarzeau: It works fine for me, although it's a bit slow (that's fixed in CVS though) |
| 23:46.48 | pipeline | tarzeau: I actually like the file dialogue a lot. |
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| 23:47.03 | tarzeau | more ugly than windows 3.x |
| 23:47.06 | elnovato | bbhill: im like to drink ;D |
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| 23:47.18 | bbhill | elnovato: Oh, i see. Your just an idiot. NM then. |
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| 23:47.27 | FieldySnuts | @win bbhill |
| 23:47.28 | pipeline | tarzeau: Now, if only I could get a file manager for gnome that didn't totally suck ass, life would be easier. |
| 23:47.29 | ravenbird | Congratulations, bbhill! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 23:47.38 | tarzeau | besides all that. it's slow , ugly and inefficient just like windows. i mean what about interoperability between other apps? |
| 23:47.49 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: I'd really like to own such a collection. |
| 23:47.59 | pipeline | tarzeau: I think you're familiar with Gnome 1.4, which really was the wreck you make it out to be. |
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| 23:48.29 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes i tried them all. and the latest 2.0,2.2,2.4,2.6 and 2.8. and i'm not happy |
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| 23:48.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a widget war |
| 23:48.51 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 23:49.04 | artichoke | can i update a lib from unstable if i have testing without destroying anything? |
| 23:49.25 | tarzeau | artichoke: don't mix! |
| 23:49.29 | gravity | pipeline: tarzeau is our resident GNUstep zealot. Nothing you say will change his mind |
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| 23:49.41 | pipeline | tarzeau: Fair enough. I predict that in five years time, you'll be using windowmaker with a gnome panel at the bottom. Because you won't have a choice :P |
| 23:49.46 | artichoke | tarzeau: thanks |
| 23:49.48 | kbrooks | artichoke: the answer is a No. |
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| 23:49.51 | pipeline | gravity: I know. I'm the resident GNOME IS THE FUTURE zealot. |
| 23:49.57 | tarzeau | lol |
| 23:50.00 | kbrooks | artichoke: it is simple: |
| 23:50.05 | gravity | pipeline: hehe |
| 23:50.37 | pipeline | gravity: It's especially sad when you consider that I don't even like gnome very much. It's just less unpleasant than KDE or explorer.exe (which isn't saying much) |
| 23:50.39 | tarzeau | pipeline: did you see the mac os x themes for gnustep? or #gnustep activity? |
| 23:50.45 | kbrooks | artichoke: many libs rely on other libs which then rely on another and so on....up to libc6 |
| 23:50.55 | pipeline | tarzeau: There are mac OS X themes for operating systems I've never even heard of. |
| 23:50.57 | gravity | pipeline: I'm actually surprised at how much I do like gnome. |
| 23:51.01 | nsanity | Could someone help me with a kernel panic? Info here: http://www.pastebin.com/229336 |
| 23:51.13 | pipeline | gravity: Heh, me too. But there are, ah, problems. |
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| 23:51.28 | tarzeau | pipeline: apropos filemanager, if you liked windows one, try endeavour2 ? |
| 23:51.31 | pipeline | gravity: I can't stand how slow nautilus is. And the "run" dialogue drives me insane (and it's non-modular, so I can't replace it.) |
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| 23:51.47 | FieldySnuts | naut does suck arse |
| 23:52.03 | gravity | pipeline: I don't know much about the run dialog. Nautlius is slow, but much improved. It needs more work, but it's at least usable now |
| 23:52.17 | doublehp | "dpkg-reconfigure exim4" do not allow me to reconfigure exim; is there an other ncurses interface ? |
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| 23:52.17 | tarzeau | pipeline, gravity: http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme41.png |
| 23:52.19 | FieldySnuts | not fond of kde nor gnome for their bloat and outrageous complexity, though I tolerate gnome. failing that, xfce4 |
| 23:52.31 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's not just about the look. but more like about the feel |
| 23:52.31 | pipeline | xfce4's file manager is as bad as nautilus |
| 23:52.38 | FieldySnuts | i could care less, i use a shell |
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| 23:52.50 | pipeline | tarzeau: Hmm, endeavour looks promising. Except that it's written for GTK 1.x. |
| 23:52.55 | hacim | anyone know if the bcm5782 broadcom gigE ethernet cards are handled by the tigon3 driver? |
| 23:52.57 | MobyTurbo | my favorite file manager is /bin/bash |
| 23:53.02 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Sadly, so do I. |
| 23:53.04 | FieldySnuts | file managers are an attempt at replacing a users clue at a shell |
| 23:53.07 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: i switched to zsh lately |
| 23:53.30 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: I've heard good things about zsh |
| 23:53.30 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: mc still can be more efficient at times |
| 23:53.36 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: You have? |
| 23:53.47 | FieldySnuts | i'll pass, mc annoys me |
| 23:53.58 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: a set of articles at linux-mag |
| 23:53.59 | FieldySnuts | i think that's a holy sin here |
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| 23:54.33 | caphuso | right now is a good time to see bash only advantage over zsh shrink away |
| 23:54.35 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: some things are just utterly broken in the shell and unix idea |
| 23:54.46 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: did you read the unix haters book? it really has some good points |
| 23:54.48 | FieldySnuts | oh well, i do everything I want, works for me |
| 23:55.01 | pipeline | tarzeau: It's ridiculous that the UHH still has good points after nearly a decade. |
| 23:55.05 | FieldySnuts | tarzeau: no, i don't go out into the world diliberately trying to find out what's wrong. not a good way to live. |
| 23:55.15 | caphuso | tarzeau: which one, for example? |
| 23:55.17 | nvz | pipeline: if something really looked promising, wouldnt people write it for gtk2 =P |
| 23:55.28 | pipeline | nvz: I don't know; lots of stuff hasn't made it to GTK2. |
| 23:55.31 | [Loz] | ok, anopther question :( how do i update the linux kernel to 2.6.x? |
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| 23:55.44 | tarzeau | caphuso: one about limit of shell expansion. and how shell expansion works |
| 23:56.02 | Anthro | I'm having trouble with the latest version of the ipw2100 driver. The ipw2100-source package in sarge is 1.0.1, and sid is 1.0.2. Both build and install just fine with m-a, but I get missing symbol errors when I try to load the newer version of the module: ieee80211_wx_set_encode ieee80211_wx_get_encode ieee80211_txb_free ieee80211_wx_get_scan ieee80211_rx ieee80211_rx_mgt free_ieee80211 alloc_ieee80211 |
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| 23:56.07 | sbk | all together now. emacs is the One True Shell (tm) |
| 23:56.07 | tarzeau | incosistency in command line parameters in different tools. lots small things. thins we are all not annoyed about anymore, since we got used to it |
| 23:56.13 | pipeline | [Loz]: Are you using woody or sarge? |
| 23:56.16 | [Loz] | sarge |
| 23:56.16 | caphuso | [Loz]: "apt-cache --names-only search kernel-image-2.6", choose an appropriate one and install it |
| 23:56.17 | tarzeau | sbk: haha :) |
| 23:56.18 | earl3982 | what is the difference between the shared apache module and the static apache module? |
| 23:56.48 | pipeline | tarzeau: You have to keep in mind that the UHH was written by VMS zealots. Have you ever USED DCL? I'll keep sh and csh with all their flaws, thanks. |
| 23:56.51 | FieldySnuts | one is shared, the other isn't. if you don't know what that means, someone else here might be in the mood ot explain |
| 23:57.05 | tarzeau | pipeline: i don't even know what's DCL |
| 23:57.18 | caphuso | tarzeau: and what's wrong with shell expansion? |
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| 23:57.36 | pipeline | tarzeau: DCL is the best of the VMS shells. It's the one used for both programming and interactive use, much like bash. |
| 23:57.38 | [Loz] | in terminal? |
| 23:57.41 | tarzeau | caphuso: you never lost files in the shell? |
| 23:57.56 | FieldySnuts | "lost"? as in user error hitting enter? |
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| 23:58.08 | pipeline | tarzeau: It's fucking ridiculous though. You have to make calls to a shell inside an RT-11 emulation environment to do half of what we take for granted with V7-style sh on unix-likes. |
| 23:58.08 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: more like by accident and not wanting |
| 23:58.10 | FieldySnuts | "damn shell!" |
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| 23:58.19 | caphuso | tarzeau: sure. mainly due to careless use of devastating commands |
| 23:58.22 | FieldySnuts | yes, user error. #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 23:58.27 | pipeline | I actually like shell expansion because it's very, very predictable. |
| 23:58.27 | [Loz] | I did that command in the terminal, and its given me a ">" prompt |
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| 23:59.01 | caphuso | [Loz]: then you did something wrong. ctrl-c and try again |
| 23:59.16 | pipeline | [Loz]: Do you have synaptic installed? |
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| 23:59.23 | [Loz] | I copied your text into the terminal, |
| 23:59.30 | [Loz] | synaptic? |
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| 23:59.38 | pipeline | [Loz]: It's a very good graphical package manager. |
| 23:59.42 | caphuso | but then, i've also lost files due to careless use of devastating GUI file managers and the like |
| 23:59.46 | saamis | bye |
| 23:59.55 | [Loz] | lemme guess, apt-get synaptic ? |
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