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| 00:00.06 | npx | Yeah I wasn't sure |
| 00:00.09 | KillerBunny | The easy way would be to cp them, but feels a bit cheap. |
| 00:00.13 | npx | michal_ blessed.net doesn't for sure |
| 00:00.26 | paulswm | KillerBunny: you could ln -s them, "man ln" |
| 00:00.32 | abrotman | john: #debian-kde |
| 00:01.07 | michal_ | npx: blessed wants identd now too |
| 00:01.27 | michal_ | identd is lame.. why is it so fashinable all of a sudden? |
| 00:01.38 | npx | wtf?! |
| 00:01.38 | npx | that's twisted |
| 00:02.10 | thingfish | my identd is totally prada. |
| 00:02.10 | npx | efnet's been demanding it since way back when |
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| 00:03.13 | michal_ | npx: not all servers have been. there were always a few that didn't.. now it seems that they all require identd :/ |
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| 00:03.46 | npx | yeah i think it's some efnet policy |
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| 00:04.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:04.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 00:04.06 | npx | "heterosexual network operators need not apply" |
| 00:04.21 | thingfish | wow, nice! |
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| 00:05.23 | jsbiff | I have a program, that I need to have loaded using a particular version of the SDL library. Currently, the system SDL is being loaded from /usr/lib/libSDL. . .; What I need is for the version of SDL that is included with the program (in the ./lib subdirectory) to be loaded instead, but just for this program, not all SDL programs |
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| 00:06.09 | jsbiff | The bash script which runs the program sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but that seems to be ignored by the loader |
| 00:06.47 | npx | LD_PRELOAD |
| 00:06.55 | npx | LD_PRELOAD=bleh.so program |
| 00:06.56 | interalia | jsbiff: try an ldd on the binary, especially after setting the same LD_LIBRARY_PATH it does. what appears on the left hand side? |
| 00:06.56 | christor_ | Is it possible to see on a debian system if someone has installed a new packages? |
| 00:07.00 | interalia | for SDL, that is |
| 00:07.38 | jsbiff | interalia: I tried that, exporting the correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH and running ldd on the program, and it is still grabbing it from /usr/lib |
| 00:07.51 | bob2 | LD)LIBRARY_PATH is ignored if you use sudo or whatever |
| 00:08.33 | caphuso | or setuid binaries |
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| 00:09.46 | jsbiff | interesting. . . |
| 00:09.56 | jsbiff | I'm using sudo to become root in my xterm |
| 00:10.01 | DarkAnt | i need some help, i'm still installing, i can't seem to connect to download the files i need for debian. I can't see my computer on the network, so i'm guessing its not connecting to my network. how do i fix this? |
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| 00:10.30 | nvz | does anyone else besides me really despise screensavers =P I have been using computers for probably 12 years or more, and I have had some of these monitors 5 years or more, and none of them show any signs of needing "saved" |
| 00:11.03 | Fluten | nvz, i've seen many monitors at school that have the win98 login prompt burned in |
| 00:11.16 | abrotman | nvz: it's a hold out from days long ago |
| 00:11.35 | abrotman | CGA screens get severse screen burn |
| 00:11.41 | nvz | Fluten: yeah I've seen arcade machines with burn in. my uncle worked on them, you would see screens like that burnt in |
| 00:11.42 | joey_ | nvz, new monitors dont need screensavers, which is why many let some parts of the screen stay constant |
| 00:11.44 | ericb_ | hi all |
| 00:11.55 | paulswm | nvz: some of them are interesting, but I vote for blank screen usually |
| 00:12.00 | joey_ | (screensavers i mean) |
| 00:12.02 | nvz | thats what I am getting at.. screensavers are pointless |
| 00:12.06 | FieldySnuts | all i have them do is power down my monitor after a while to save power (big 21" crt) |
| 00:12.09 | nvz | lcds for example.. |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | farkin Pats |
| 00:12.39 | Fluten | the monitors i've seen burned in are around 3 years old |
| 00:12.40 | jsbiff | the screens don't technically need saving, but a lot of people just like to have some eye candy on their screen |
| 00:12.45 | Fluten | it must still happen, just not as extreme |
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| 00:12.57 | FieldySnuts | shitty crts still do yes |
| 00:13.02 | paulswm | jsbiff: hit the nail on the head |
| 00:13.07 | abrotman | Fluten: the old stuff .. you could read everything .. pixel for pixel |
| 00:13.08 | nvz | yeah I shut mine off when I am not using them for long periods intentionally.. if I am sitting right here, I dont need a program shutting it off for me because I zoned out |
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| 00:13.27 | joey_ | Fluten, I guess so. I <3 xscreensaver =) |
| 00:13.31 | nvz | FieldySnuts: I've got a big 21" here as well. NEC MultiSync 6FG |
| 00:13.34 | Fluten | i don't know why there has to be screen savers though |
| 00:13.41 | FieldySnuts | ibm p260 |
| 00:13.41 | Fluten | when it's more economical to have them power off |
| 00:13.42 | FieldySnuts | food brb |
| 00:13.53 | ericb_ | I installer courier-imap, and the imap server complains about Maildir : no such directory. This is true that there is no /home/*/Maildir directory. However, there is a ~/Mail directory.. exim seems to deliver mails using /var/spool in mbox format.. but how can I use Maildir delivery ? |
| 00:13.57 | abrotman | Fluten: because people like to see pretty stuff .. |
| 00:14.10 | paulswm | Fluten: and because ppl like writing them |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | ericb_: courier wants Maildir |
| 00:14.28 | abrotman | !maildirmake |
| 00:14.31 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:14.40 | ericb_ | man maildirmake ? |
| 00:14.44 | paulswm | screensavers would prolly have been cool in the early 70s what with all that acid going around |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | ericb_: i guess |
| 00:14.59 | Spg | pretty stuff is useless and severs no funciton it should be abolished |
| 00:15.08 | ericb_ | abrotman : that make sense... |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | Spg: so you don't use X ? |
| 00:15.12 | ericb_ | thanks a lot |
| 00:15.21 | FieldySnuts | @troll spg |
| 00:15.31 | Fluten | !gentoosmite xscreensaver |
| 00:15.32 | abrotman | ericb_: i suspect you also have to tell exim to deliver to Maildir |
| 00:15.40 | nvz | Despite the fact that I got this NEC Multisync 6FG as the Aluminum Company Of America trashed it over 5 years ago.. its been very good to me. I just have to watch which modes I keep it in. it will shake and blurr and such in some modes |
| 00:15.51 | ericb_ | abrotman : mmm.. good idea ;) |
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| 00:16.06 | abrotman | ericb_: i have those occasionally |
| 00:16.29 | ericb_ | abrotman : well... maybe not since I only use exim as satellite... |
| 00:16.29 | Spg | no im not a troll, thanks |
| 00:16.36 | ericb_ | it connects to a smtp server |
| 00:16.37 | jsbiff | well, I'm still having no luck getting ld.so to load the correct libSDL - any other suggestions? I logged out of my root prompt, so that I wouldn't be in a sudo environment, and it is still using the wrong libSDL |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | then perhaps an idiot |
| 00:16.56 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:17.01 | paulswm | toresbe has a good screensaving device, his VT pic was wobbling all over the phosphor |
| 00:17.07 | ericb_ | abrotman : and fetchmail takes care of the mail fetching... so I don't need to reconf exim... |
| 00:17.10 | jsbiff | someone suggested LD_PRELOAD - will that force the particular library I specify to be loaded? |
| 00:17.11 | ericb_ | at least I don't think so |
| 00:17.16 | vilefile | the keys are all incorrect when i use X |
| 00:17.21 | FieldySnuts | exim doesn' |
| 00:17.21 | vilefile | help me |
| 00:17.31 | FieldySnuts | exim doesn't have to do with mail fetching anyway |
| 00:17.38 | Spg | that's rude and insulting and abrotman you must be pretty easy person to troll |
| 00:17.39 | abrotman | ericb_: well .. kind of .. you'll have to use fetchmail/procmail to redliver the mail locally and to Maildir |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | Spg: shut up |
| 00:17.52 | FieldySnuts | Spg: so you ARE a troll? ok thanks |
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| 00:18.01 | GlitchMaster | 'hoy. |
| 00:18.05 | paulswm | !abuse Spg |
| 00:18.13 | paulswm | @lart Spg |
| 00:18.27 | abrotman | !pee spg |
| 00:18.30 | abrotman | :( |
| 00:18.35 | paulswm | heh |
| 00:18.35 | Spg | you guys are so excitable.. almost like you are waiting for trolls? |
| 00:18.35 | FieldySnuts | @pee Spg |
| 00:18.37 | GlitchMaster | !molest spg |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | this game is sooo over |
| 00:18.38 | GlitchMaster | ? |
| 00:18.42 | abrotman | @pee on me |
| 00:18.46 | FieldySnuts | lame, removed |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | bah |
| 00:18.47 | ericb_ | abrotman : fetchmail will fetch the mail and put it into /var/spool/mail and procmail will delivers it into ~/Maildir ?? |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | oh .. yay |
| 00:18.53 | FieldySnuts | wtf?why did it do it for you? |
| 00:18.55 | ericb_ | that's it ? |
| 00:19.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: pee on |
| 00:19.11 | FieldySnuts | i already went |
| 00:19.40 | abrotman | ericb_: no .. afaik .. you will need to use both .. and configure exim to deliver it to Maildir .. but i could be wrong .. .. i don't use procmail or fetchmail |
| 00:19.48 | joey_ | i wrote a whirlwindwarp xscreensaver and if u guys don't like what it does to your head then u probably belong on IRC ;) |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:19.55 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:20.03 | FieldySnuts | beat me to it |
| 00:20.06 | ericb_ | abrotman : do you use /Maildir ? |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | ericb_: i have ... i prefer it to mbox |
| 00:20.20 | ericb_ | I guess I'll configure exim for Maildir |
| 00:20.27 | GlitchMaster | @pee on spg |
| 00:20.29 | abrotman | ericb_: but i used postfix .. and courier |
| 00:20.31 | ericb_ | and ask fetchmail to forward |
| 00:20.31 | GlitchMaster | Yay! :D |
| 00:20.39 | GlitchMaster | I don't know who Spg is, but it's fun. |
| 00:20.39 | ericb_ | postfix ? |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | !postfix |
| 00:20.43 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org , or #postfix |
| 00:20.49 | FieldySnuts | @start an mta war |
| 00:20.50 | ravenbird | smail owns |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:20.55 | Spg | its a bit childish but ok :-) |
| 00:21.44 | paulswm | Spg: hey, you have to grow old, but you *don't* have to grow up :) |
| 00:21.48 | Fluten | for booting off of large hard drives on old bioses, how big should the /boot partition usually be? |
| 00:21.58 | Fluten | is 100MB probably sufficient? |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | more than |
| 00:22.02 | FieldySnuts | more than |
| 00:22.50 | Fluten | 250? |
| 00:22.50 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: could you get off my wavelength :) |
| 00:22.51 | FieldySnuts | i use 25MB. |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | Fluten: less than 100 |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | not more |
| 00:22.51 | paulswm | Fluten: unless you are a kernel-keeping manica, 32 MB is prolly OK for /boot |
| 00:22.51 | interalia | jsbiff: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/lib ldd program | awk '/SDL/ {print $1}' |
| 00:22.51 | paulswm | maniac |
| 00:23.23 | nemozny | what is advantage of having /boot on separate partition? |
| 00:23.44 | FieldySnuts | you don't mount it automatically, so if your system goes down hard, far less chance of /boot being corrupt |
| 00:23.50 | paulswm | nemozny: security: you can unmount it when your system's up |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | old lilo couldn't handle large drives |
| 00:23.57 | caphuso | nemozny: on really old systems the ability to be able too boot. on anything newer than 1995, none |
| 00:24.04 | paulswm | and what FieldySnuts said |
| 00:24.06 | nemozny | oh, thx |
| 00:24.36 | caphuso | like a non-damaged /boot partition would be of any use if the rest of your system got fucked up |
| 00:24.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:24.55 | caphuso | "wow, my kernel boots, but i don't have /lib anymore!" |
| 00:24.58 | interalia | and as if anyone who got root couldn't just scan /proc/partitions and mount it anyway :) |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | who needs /usr :) |
| 00:25.04 | FieldySnuts | true, if you don't have full backups I have no sympathy |
| 00:25.19 | paulswm | caphuso: actually I find it useful when booting between different roots, etc (I keep prod, test and backup on my box) |
| 00:25.34 | caphuso | paulswm: that's what UML is for |
| 00:25.38 | abrotman | hmm . dinner will be .. i wonder |
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| 00:25.56 | nsa | how do i reconfigure X so that it doesn't use xkb ? |
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| 00:26.07 | paulswm | abrotman: for me, deep dish pizza in about 25 mins, heh |
| 00:27.52 | GlitchMaster | For some reason timidity, along with some other SMALL apps suck up all of my CPU's power (AMD Athlon XP 1094MHz). I can configure timidity to run crappily so that it doesn't suck up those resources, but the usage drops from 90% usage to 5% (far too drastic for the small requirement that the one that changed this had). |
| 00:28.08 | FieldySnuts | don't run it then |
| 00:28.16 | GlitchMaster | I have little choice. |
| 00:28.18 | loke___ | hey guys im stuck, i set coretecsystems.com to webhop to web.coretecsystems.com:81 because my isp blocks port 80. since i set the webhop i cant add an mx record fore coretecsystems.com, how can i set it up so i can add a mx record to coretecsystems.com and have it redirect coretecsystem.com to port 80? |
| 00:28.20 | GlitchMaster | It shouldn't take up this much. |
| 00:28.21 | FieldySnuts | shrug |
| 00:28.43 | GlitchMaster | Why am I taking advice for somebody who verbally announces their actions in one word? |
| 00:28.47 | FieldySnuts | mx doesn't have anything to do with any of that |
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| 00:28.59 | myren | check how timidity is outputting sound. it might be JACK or something draingin cpu. |
| 00:29.08 | Nekrataal | hey, wich package includes make-kpkg on debian sarge? |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | paulswm: chips and salsa con queso :) |
| 00:29.28 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm being lazy |
| 00:29.32 | caphuso | Nekrataal: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:29.35 | abrotman | and unhealthy for tha tmatter |
| 00:29.37 | loke___ | FieldySnuts well, i cant send remote mail to local user@coretecsystems.com |
| 00:29.51 | paulswm | abrotman: yeah me too, want to watch Cold Case on TV |
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| 00:30.01 | abrotman | tv? |
| 00:30.03 | loke___ | FieldySnuts i can only send remote mail to local users@web.coretecsystems.com |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | !.tv |
| 00:30.29 | paulswm | abrotman: yeah, you know, the big monitor with no terminals |
| 00:30.33 | Nekrataal | kernel-package is the one... |
| 00:30.49 | abrotman | paulswm: apple has fixed that :) |
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| 00:31.09 | paulswm | abrotman: yeah, hah |
| 00:31.43 | abrotman | what a crappy FB game |
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| 00:33.07 | nsa | how do i reconfigure X so that it doesn't use xkb ? |
| 00:33.13 | GlitchMaster | myren: Any idea where I might find that information? It's not in the config file. |
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| 00:33.23 | loke___ | FieldySnuts ??? |
| 00:33.30 | codewarrior2 | What are some good non-fiction books? PM me the titles please :) |
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| 00:33.56 | abrotman | codewarrior2: are you serious? |
| 00:33.57 | GlitchMaster | .... |
| 00:34.01 | codewarrior2 | abrotman yes! |
| 00:34.02 | GlitchMaster | This has to be a joke. |
| 00:34.07 | codewarrior2 | GlitchMaster why? |
| 00:34.32 | GlitchMaster | This is a channel for help with a Linux operating system... |
| 00:34.32 | abrotman | codewarrior2: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060528370/qid=1105922062/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-7616494-4524934?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | that's enoguh |
| 00:34.43 | GlitchMaster | And general discussion for it... :P |
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| 00:34.53 | codewarrior2 | ok thanks abrotman |
| 00:35.06 | GlitchMaster | Anyone have a shotgun? |
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| 00:35.12 | codewarrior2 | GlitchMaster yes... well a technical resource is non-fiction right? |
| 00:35.13 | jono | hi all |
| 00:35.19 | paulswm | codewarrior2: "Lex and Yacc" is a real page turner |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | !shoot GlitchMaster |
| 00:35.21 | codewarrior2 | GlitchMaster what gauge? |
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| 00:35.46 | Li\Sou | can you hint me to a good editor for editing gdesklets or the alike? one with color codes... |
| 00:35.47 | codewarrior2 | paulswm yacc? |
| 00:35.52 | jono | is there a way I can basically reinstall a package that is already installed - as in, restore the original package config files and other files for a package on my system ? |
| 00:35.59 | paulswm | yet another compiler compiler |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | jono: yes |
| 00:36.09 | paulswm | see ya all, stay safe |
| 00:36.13 | GlitchMaster | Jono: Try using apt-get help, next time. |
| 00:36.14 | jono | abrotman, how do I do it? |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm irc'ing naked!! |
| 00:36.21 | codewarrior2 | GlitchMaster yes... well a technical resource is non-fiction right? |
| 00:36.25 | codewarrior2 | isn't it? |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | jono: man apt-get .. |
| 00:36.32 | paulswm | abrotman: far too much info there :) |
| 00:36.35 | codewarrior2 | abrotman no webcam shots then. |
| 00:36.38 | loke___ | jono: apt-get remove --purge foo |
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| 00:36.50 | Guerin | abrotman: there's CakeCam? |
| 00:36.52 | loke___ | jono: apt-get install foo |
| 00:36.52 | GlitchMaster | codewarrior2, please... don't. |
| 00:37.00 | codewarrior2 | don't... do what? |
| 00:37.05 | Guerin | loke___: no. |
| 00:37.07 | GlitchMaster | You make little sense. |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | Guerin: no |
| 00:37.26 | GlitchMaster | Please, if you don't have something to say involving some form of Linux Debian, leave the channel, codewarrior2. |
| 00:37.37 | loke___ | Guerin abrotman no. |
| 00:37.43 | GlitchMaster | He's on gentoo... o.O |
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| 00:37.44 | abrotman | wtf did i do? |
| 00:38.07 | GlitchMaster | Well... at least it's Linux. :P |
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| 00:38.43 | abrotman | codewarrior2: it's actually an interesting book .. i'm about halfway through it |
| 00:38.48 | GlitchMaster | Anyone have an idea of where I could see what |
| 00:38.53 | GlitchMaster | Err... |
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| 00:39.01 | GlitchMaster | Accidental return, ther. |
| 00:39.03 | GlitchMaster | there* |
| 00:39.11 | daft_ | how can I send my hostname from dncp client to server? |
| 00:39.41 | loke___ | daft_ y? |
| 00:39.46 | rob0 | daft_: man 5 interfaces # add a "hostname hostname" line in approp. section |
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| 00:40.57 | daft_ | ty |
| 00:41.02 | Li\Sou | hi again, sorry to bother.. im trying to locate the commands for terminal.. but with help or command help i just get a few.. anyone know where i can find a complete list with descriptions? and, if im just gonna search for the latest version of an apt on apt-get what do i type? |
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| 00:41.34 | angie | can anyone help me? |
| 00:41.34 | GlitchMaster | Anyone have an idea of where I could see how timidity is outputting sound (ie. JACK, and whatnot)? It's not in the config, and something in it is sucking up CPU power from a 1094MHz AMD Athlon XP. |
| 00:41.50 | angie | i just did a sarge net inst how do i get the X server? |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | use top any look |
| 00:41.59 | abrotman | err .. use top and look |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | !tell angie about setup x |
| 00:42.15 | Li\Sou | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | no |
| 00:42.25 | dao | I got some problems with my vesafb, bootsplash and all is oke, but when I use the console, or just quit X to reboot, my screen is all fucked up... this happens only when I use the nvidia-driver, and not with the vesa-driver... anyone can help me with this? |
| 00:42.29 | Li\Sou | ok |
| 00:42.51 | abrotman | Li\Sou: i'm not sure what you're looking for |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | dao: #nvidia |
| 00:43.41 | cinix | what's up with KDE in sarge? |
| 00:43.46 | Li\Sou | abrotman: i wanna do a lookup for the latest package of a certain app on apt-get.. what version is lying on the server and so on. dependencies and so on.. |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | cinix: be more vague please |
| 00:44.02 | dao | is it a know problem by the way that the vesafb.c from the debian-kernel-source is not working properly? |
| 00:44.14 | abrotman | Li\Sou: apt-cache show <package> |
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| 00:44.33 | daft_ | doa are you using the nvida fb console driver? |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | dao: check the BTS .. and ask #nvidia |
| 00:44.40 | Li\Sou | thnx abrotman.. do you know btw where i can get an total list of commands in terminal? |
| 00:44.40 | cinix | Well is there something gone wrong with the depencies with KDE? |
| 00:44.51 | dao | daft_, no |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | cinix: #debian-kde |
| 00:44.58 | abrotman | Li\Sou: are oyu serious? |
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| 00:45.04 | Li\Sou | yeah...? |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | hit tab a few times? |
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| 00:45.32 | Li\Sou | ?? |
| 00:45.56 | Guerin | Li\Sou: you really don't want that. |
| 00:46.08 | Guerin | Li\Sou: your braiin will probably explode |
| 00:46.08 | Li\Sou | i meant on the internet though.. so that i can learn more about the commands and what they do.. |
| 00:46.09 | daft_ | dao: well with nvida console fb and the nvidia X driver your problem is common |
| 00:46.13 | dao | daft_, I have both vesa and vga16 compiled in the kernel, and it uses the vga16 |
| 00:46.14 | GlitchMaster | I AM PICKLE. |
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| 00:46.27 | shingouz | Li\Sou: pretty much all executables you have on your system are the "commands" you are looking for |
| 00:46.29 | shakparl | i have an LG dvd player/cdrom that doesn't want to stay in dma mode |
| 00:46.44 | Guerin | Li\Sou: no such list, since any given system has different commands than any other system. |
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| 00:46.51 | GlitchMaster | I give up. I was hoping this might be some processor usage error I could repair, but alas, timidity is just bloated. |
| 00:46.52 | shingouz | Li\Sou: of course some of them need a X to run but in anycase... |
| 00:47.04 | Li\Sou | okey, wow. |
| 00:47.19 | Li\Sou | its not like dos, thats for shure:o) |
| 00:47.23 | shakparl | if i use hdparm to try to enable dma mode, it doesn't play |
| 00:47.48 | Guerin | no sir, it shure ain't. |
| 00:47.53 | dao | daft_, but the vesafb.c from the debian-source-kernel did not work at al, so I took the vesafb.c from the standard kernel-source |
| 00:47.54 | shingouz | Li\Sou: no its not. any unix style system has more functionality than dos :) |
| 00:48.08 | shakparl | do i have to edit modules.conf with an option to enable dma, or is it something else? |
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| 00:48.44 | toaps | Li\Sou: It's definitly much more fun than dos. Try googling for a linux commandline introduction or tutorial. |
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| 00:50.08 | Li\Sou | yeah, im not arguing:) i like linux more and more. its so damn flexible. and i think it hoggs resources much less than win... and: i can create it as i like, i love it:) |
| 00:50.32 | dao | daft_, just to make sure, you ment the rivafb right? |
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| 00:50.54 | daft_ | I ment the riva idd |
| 00:51.15 | q_a_z_steve | Hello! Just a quick one today: What can I use to image a HD from knoppix either after apt-get or included, hopefully something visual (GUI...) |
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| 00:51.55 | abrotman | q_a_z_steve: this channel is not for knoppix support |
| 00:52.02 | Guerin | q_a_z_steve: dd |
| 00:52.12 | daft_ | dao I have 0 problems with my vanilla vesafb and nvida |
| 00:52.17 | Guerin | q_a_z_steve: if you want a gui; konsole -e man dd |
| 00:52.38 | q_a_z_steve | Guerin, I can make image from dd? |
| 00:52.57 | Guerin | q_a_z_steve: yes. |
| 00:53.11 | daft_ | dao what kernel do you have? |
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| 00:53.36 | nsa | how do i reconfigure X so that it doesn't use xkb ? |
| 00:53.40 | q_a_z_steve | konsole -e? |
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| 00:53.49 | dao | daft_, 2.6.10 |
| 00:53.56 | abrotman | nsa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8 |
| 00:53.58 | abrotman | nsa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:54.03 | nsa | ah |
| 00:54.04 | zignig | !sing bob2 |
| 00:54.04 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 00:54.04 | nsa | yes |
| 00:54.09 | nsa | i always forget that |
| 00:54.13 | nsa | thanks |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | how could you forget that? |
| 00:54.41 | nsa | i just get lonely and want to talk to you guys i guess |
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| 00:55.28 | abrotman | nsa: that happens when you work for NSA |
| 00:55.29 | daft_ | dao exactly the same as i have wird |
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| 00:56.36 | Walther | where are global aterm setting? it seems like Xdef. aren't read on startup |
| 00:56.44 | dao | daft_, what fb do you use? |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | aterm has global settings? |
| 00:57.05 | Walther | i'm asking you |
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| 00:57.28 | abrotman | if i knew anyone who used aterm .. maybe i couldhelp |
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| 00:57.47 | Walther | well xterm |
| 00:57.47 | daft_ | vanilla vesafb nvidia X 2.6.10 kernel |
| 00:58.06 | Walther | where are xterm's settings? |
| 00:58.19 | abrotman | settings for what? |
| 00:59.00 | abrotman | there probably aren't global config files .. probably compiled in |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | i'm not sure |
| 00:59.17 | dao | daft_, I use vga16 atm, not vesa, could not be the problem could it? |
| 00:59.32 | caphuso | Walther: xterm uses normal X resources |
| 00:59.49 | daft_ | dao: I check my kernel for it one sec |
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| 01:00.07 | dao | daft_, cat /proc/fb |
| 01:00.43 | daft_ | I need to go to my pc 1st im at my oldfoks place |
| 01:01.32 | wers | i have an integrated intel wlan adpter, how do i find out what chipset? |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | lspci |
| 01:02.07 | wers | thnx |
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| 01:02.22 | daft_ | eummm wait hehe that was my old kernel before some classm8 rm -rf it |
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| 01:03.50 | daft_ | but it is the vesafb |
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| 01:04.11 | dao | daft_, oke thanks for looking |
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| 01:05.03 | daft_ | dao np |
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| 01:06.50 | RS_Asleep | 'Ello |
| 01:07.20 | clojster | is it normal that in Flux 0.9.9 I cannot have more than one icon in system tray? the second always transforms into gray square and I cant even click it... |
| 01:07.31 | abrotman | #fluxbox ? |
| 01:07.47 | Roz` | Do you guys have any suggestions of what i should buy, 802.11b and 802.11g, the prices vary alot, and i'm not sure why. |
| 01:08.14 | The_Vulture | Roz`: the prices vary between b and g because g is more recent and faster, etc.. |
| 01:08.23 | doleyb | Roz`: get 802.11b, its fast enough, and you can get it for just $12 |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | Roz`: do you want faster/more money or slower/less money? |
| 01:08.37 | Roz` | 11mbps = how many KB/sec? |
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| 01:08.48 | abrotman | Roz`: on another note .. 802.11n will be around in a year or so |
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| 01:08.53 | Roz` | I just want a good distance..but i guess i need a good combo of router + wireless card |
| 01:09.01 | RS_Asleep | I have debian running and acting as a firewall/router. It has eth1 (internet connection, ip via dhcp) and eth0 (internal network, fixed ip). Now all the machines bar the linux box itself can connect to the outside world. I dunno why the linux box isn't working. I am using iptables too :) |
| 01:09.02 | Roz` | what's .11n? |
| 01:09.10 | tony | Roz` , check out soekris.com |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | Roz`: the next spec for wifi |
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| 01:09.40 | The_Vulture | RS_Asleep: the linux box you refer to is the router? what sort of "connection" have you attempted? |
| 01:10.03 | leandro_ | anyone running 3ddesktop on debian with GeForce2 MX ? |
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| 01:10.18 | Roz` | 11mbps is how many KB/sec? |
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| 01:10.48 | budi_ | hi how to set every email send to root@localhost to send to other email address? |
| 01:10.48 | RS_Asleep | The_Vulture: I can't even do a simple numeric ping from it to the outside world. All the other machines internally can manage this. I can't apt-get either. I know it's resolving names okay but it seems the packets are going missing either going out or coming in |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | roz: do the math .. |
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| 01:10.54 | abrotman | err Roz` do the math .. it's not hard |
| 01:11.20 | The_Vulture | RS_Asleep: and how did you setup the "internet sharing" - custom iptables rules? |
| 01:12.03 | RS_Asleep | I have a very simple iptables set up and if I do iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT the linux box will work fine, one the iptable rules are in place, it stops working |
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| 01:12.26 | Roz` | like 1.3MB/sec |
| 01:12.46 | Roz` | so there's no differences in terms of reception between many of the cards that are 802.11b? |
| 01:12.51 | The_Vulture | RS_Asleep: if you wrote the rules yourself, I assume you got them wrong in one way or another. You're probably better off using an existing solution like the ipmasq package.. |
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| 01:13.19 | RS_Asleep | The_Vulture: It only has iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 01:13.22 | abrotman | Roz`: ask #wireless |
| 01:13.30 | RS_Asleep | and iptables -A INPUT -p ALL -s 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j ACCEPT |
| 01:13.34 | tony | dpkg, libdecss |
| 01:13.34 | dpkg | no idea, tony |
| 01:13.39 | Roz` | lol |
| 01:13.39 | Roz` | thanks |
| 01:13.41 | abrotman | !decss |
| 01:13.41 | dpkg | i heard decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | tony: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:14.07 | tony | abrotman , thanks man |
| 01:15.54 | RS_Asleep | Beats the crap out of me as until the last few days it all worked fine :| |
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| 01:16.10 | abrotman | new ipmasq package? |
| 01:17.10 | RS_Asleep | Maybe I've apt-getted something thats scewed things up :| |
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| 01:18.42 | RS_Asleep | I've never used ipmasq |
| 01:18.49 | RS_Asleep | Its not even installed :) |
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| 01:19.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | i just know it got updated in sarge last week |
| 01:19.18 | RS_Asleep | abrotman: Ahh cool |
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| 01:20.00 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
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| 01:20.01 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 01:20.09 | RS_Asleep | It makes no sense to me that every other machine on the network works fine but the linux box itself and thats doing the routing and stuff |
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| 01:21.32 | ZenithDK | anyone here who has tried vrms? |
| 01:21.56 | ZenithDK | I can't quite grasp why it lists some packages I *have* had installed, but have purted now |
| 01:23.01 | Roz` | does 802.11b have better range than 802.11g? |
| 01:23.29 | The_Vulture | Roz`: I don't believe so, no. |
| 01:23.42 | The_Vulture | if anything it has shorter range (at full bandwidth anyway) |
| 01:23.46 | The_Vulture | as I understand it |
| 01:23.53 | RS_Asleep | Roz: Generally the lower the data rate the better the range. I have 802.11b and I set them all to 2mbit/s as I find its more reliable |
| 01:24.18 | dao | daft_, it seems fb support is not so great with the nvidia-driver.. it may work, but it might as well not... spoke with someone in the nvidia-channel... too bad, but there must be a sollution, I'll keep on looking =) |
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| 01:25.03 | abrotman | Roz`: #wireless |
| 01:25.05 | RS_Asleep | Also as I understand it, even with full 11mbits, you only ever get a 5.5mbit connection |
| 01:25.23 | The_Vulture | RS_Asleep: depends on the type of network traffic I shouldf think |
| 01:25.30 | The_Vulture | tcp versus udp, etc.. |
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| 01:26.26 | RS_Asleep | The_Vulture: Well, trying to ftp across wireless with it set to 11mbit/s is veeeery slow and the best I get is a 5.5mbit connection |
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| 01:27.34 | brynjarh | Anyone here tried Gnoppix? |
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| 01:27.42 | abrotman | !gnoppix |
| 01:27.42 | The_Vulture | RS_Asleep: yes, because of the overhead of the protocol layers you are using, I doubt there's anything much faster that would ensure delivery and is reasonably mainstream (research work is probably covering more interesting ways of getting reliability in wireless networks) |
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| 01:27.56 | abrotman | !hello |
| 01:27.56 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 01:28.11 | skyisblue | hello |
| 01:28.11 | RS_Asleep | The_Vulture: 100mbit wired connection? :D heheeh |
| 01:28.38 | asdfqweg2 | Anyone care to answer a question about compiling a virgin kernel under debian? |
| 01:28.44 | The_Vulture | RS_Asleep: 3 inches from the base station maybe ;0 |
| 01:28.48 | The_Vulture | s/0/)/ |
| 01:28.50 | ttaranto | asdfqweg2 ? |
| 01:29.13 | RS_Asleep | hehe |
| 01:29.23 | brynjarh | !hurd |
| 01:29.23 | dpkg | i heard hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or http://www.hurd-bunny.org |
| 01:29.26 | asdfqweg2 | I'm a bit confused over symlinks from /usr/linclude/asm into /usr/src/linux/include |
| 01:29.30 | skyisblue | s/virgin/vanilla/ |
| 01:29.38 | RS_Asleep | It doesn't bother me cos a) I'm patient b) the slowest part of the network is the internet |
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| 01:29.57 | jian1 | glxgear reports 1108fps |
| 01:29.59 | jian1 | is it ok though? |
| 01:30.07 | jian1 | geforce 5200fx |
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| 01:31.17 | Guerin | asdfqweg2: if you ask, maybe someone will answer. |
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| 01:31.41 | skyisblue | asdfqweg2: you don't have to do symlinks thing.. |
| 01:31.45 | dao | jian1, no you should at least get something like 18000... |
| 01:31.58 | jian1 | err.... nvidia driver 6111 |
| 01:32.08 | jian1 | so you suspect that I have som ething wrong?! |
| 01:32.08 | dao | jian1, j/k glxgears doesnt say much =) |
| 01:32.32 | jian1 | hehe, anyways, anyone tried to install ati 9000 driver via module-assistant? |
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| 01:34.50 | Roz` | you guys thing netgear ma521 802.11b is any good? |
| 01:35.10 | asdfqweg2 | I can't use make-kpkg on my kernel source until I make a symlink in /usr/src/linux/include from asm-i386 -> asm |
| 01:35.16 | asdfqweg2 | Is this normal? |
| 01:35.16 | nsa | gitt /usr |
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| 01:35.20 | abrotman | jian1: ask #nvidia |
| 01:35.38 | Manoj` | asdfqweg2: I don't think that is normal at all |
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| 01:36.06 | dao | haha |
| 01:36.09 | Manoj` | asdfqweg2: where did /usr/src/linux come from in the first place? |
| 01:36.10 | dao | oops |
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| 01:36.26 | skyisblue | !slashdot |
| 01:36.28 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (10 shown): Overclocking Calculators? ;; Bugzilla 2.18 Goes Gold ;; One Last Campout for Star Wars Fans ;; Aqua OpenOffice.org v2.0 Cancelled ;; Xfce 4.2.0 Released ;; Not Much Happening in Hard Drives This Year ;; EA Considering Sims TV Show ;; PC Magazine's In-Depth VoIP Review ;; Google Tidbits ;; Apple iWork Screenshots. |
| 01:36.42 | asdfqweg2 | Manoj': it's just a symlink to my patched kernel source |
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| 01:38.10 | shingouz | i have /dev/ttyUSB0 major 188, minor 0 and the permissions are rwx for everyone and their dog but i still cannot use the frigging port at all. ideas? |
| 01:38.42 | asdfqweg2 | I was told elsewhere that the asm symlink should be automatically made, but I don't know what would do it |
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| 01:40.41 | takatumi | asdfqweg2: is /usr/src/linux/ symlinked to your actual source tree? |
| 01:41.11 | takatumi | forget that, redundant Q |
| 01:41.15 | asdfqweg2 | takatumi: yes |
| 01:41.22 | GlitchMaster | Should simple Open GL screensavers (and some non-Open GL ones) be taking up half the CPU power if it's 1094MHz? |
| 01:41.23 | takatumi | just woke up :) |
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| 01:41.43 | Willis | anyone installed knoppix to hdd ? |
| 01:41.51 | takatumi | GlitchMaster: screensavers suck. |
| 01:41.56 | shingouz | Willis: #knoppix |
| 01:42.08 | asdfqweg2 | Willis: I have, knoppix 3.7, using it right now |
| 01:42.12 | GlitchMaster | Alright, how 'bout somebody with GOOD advice? |
| 01:42.18 | RS_Asleep | Fanks for the help guys :) |
| 01:42.40 | Willis | once knoppix is installed to hdd ... you get a native dubian install |
| 01:42.51 | takatumi | Willis: no you don't. |
| 01:43.05 | GlitchMaster | takatumi: The target is the fact that it's taking up so much CPU power, not that it's a screensaver. Other things that shouldn't require so much Processor resource are taking up a lot, too. |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: it's possible if you're doing software GL |
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| 01:43.33 | Willis | knoppix is a debian dirivitive |
| 01:43.45 | The_Vulture | Willis: yes, but it's not debian |
| 01:43.57 | Jeremy886 | hi all |
| 01:43.57 | asdfqweg2 | Willis: You have the option of a debian-like install |
| 01:44.04 | takatumi | Willis: there are over 100 debian derivatives |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | knoppix can never be debian |
| 01:44.28 | dao | Willis, so is Linspire ;) |
| 01:44.40 | Jeremy886 | I have trouble settup my printer (espon c45) on debian. I can print it only by gimp...so weird. |
| 01:44.40 | Willis | hay i just want to dump microtrash ... |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:44.46 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 01:44.48 | Guerin | Willis: good for you. |
| 01:44.52 | takatumi | Willis: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:45.09 | Willis | ? |
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| 01:45.27 | Guerin | Willis: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:45.38 | Guerin | Willis: visit that page in a web browser |
| 01:45.55 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Software GL? Is there a way to switch it to hardware? |
| 01:46.17 | Guerin | or if you want to run knoppix, go and talk to them in #knoppix |
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| 01:46.24 | Willis | i have cd 1 for debian ... |
| 01:46.41 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: depends on your video card/system |
| 01:46.42 | Willis | but never have gotten the install to run |
| 01:46.58 | nostalg1c | i'm trying to apt-get remove courier-authdaemon, and i'm getting these errormessages: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/NMP4cF54.html |
| 01:47.03 | nostalg1c | can anyone please help me ? |
| 01:47.05 | takatumi | Willis: that's probably woody, tough to install if you are just starting with linux, visit that page instead. |
| 01:47.07 | Guerin | Willis: why not, and which debian? |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | CD1 of course :) |
| 01:47.49 | Guerin | nostalg1c: the error is in plain english |
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| 01:48.01 | Willis | this is the iso name :debian-30r2-i386-binary-1 |
| 01:48.02 | nostalg1c | Guerin, yes, but i have no idea on how to solve it :( |
| 01:48.02 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Radeon 7500 on a shitty ASUS ATX board with an AMD Athlon XP (1094MHz), and 256MB RAM. I know that 60% of that was useless, but I felt like saying it. |
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| 01:48.05 | Guerin | nostalg1c: why did you delete the config file? |
| 01:48.14 | Guerin | nostalg1c: /etc/courier/authdaemonrc: No such file or directory |
| 01:48.15 | GlitchMaster | The Radeon 7500 has 128MB built-in RAM. |
| 01:48.18 | nostalg1c | Guerin, i can't even remember i did :( |
| 01:48.23 | Guerin | nostalg1c: solution: create the file. |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 01:48.25 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 01:48.26 | takatumi | Willis: yes, that's woody, released over 2 years ago. |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: ask #ati |
| 01:48.44 | GlitchMaster | Thanks. |
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| 01:49.46 | nostalg1c | Guerin, ok, i touched it and it went away... but i have the feeling i screwed something up in a horrible way, mind to hear me out for a sec? |
| 01:50.01 | takatumi | nvz: come back when it's clean. |
| 01:50.25 | Guerin | nostalg1c: just do dpkg -P <package> and you'll remove all traces of it. |
| 01:50.41 | Guerin | nostalg1c: then you can reinstall with clean default config, or whatever. |
| 01:50.49 | nostalg1c | that would be cool, let's try that, thanks |
| 01:50.52 | Willis | brb |
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| 01:51.04 | Willis | one monitor 2x systems ... |
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| 01:51.48 | acetech | anyone know where i put the options options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8 |
| 01:51.48 | acetech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:52.17 | takatumi | acetech: probably in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 01:52.37 | xam | acetech: IIRC /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... |
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| 01:53.12 | acetech | a doc i am reading says to put it in modules.conf before video declarations |
| 01:53.20 | nostalg1c | Guerin, you seem to have fixed my problem! thanks alot! |
| 01:53.22 | acetech | but there are no video declarations in there |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | #nvidia ? |
| 01:53.46 | bob2 | they sound more like module paramaeters |
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| 01:54.18 | acetech | ill check it out at #nvidia |
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| 01:56.26 | GlitchMaster | Why the hell is my harddrive light blinking?! It's laughing at me, I tell you! |
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| 01:56.32 | GlitchMaster | Always blinking! |
| 01:56.33 | GlitchMaster | ALWAYS! |
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| 01:57.26 | takatumi | GlitchMaster: you are probably used to that light constantly lit up in winbloze. |
| 01:58.06 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: noiseless HDD is normal |
| 01:58.25 | GlitchMaster | No no no.. |
| 01:58.34 | GlitchMaster | I mean it blinks when there is no activity, like it's in standby! |
| 01:58.52 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: no no no... |
| 01:59.11 | GlitchMaster | A steady one blink per second. |
| 01:59.36 | GlitchMaster | And the tiny or solid ones when it's actually doing something. |
| 02:00.11 | GlitchMaster | I'm used to the light NOT being lit up in Win2k. It only lit when there was activity. Why is it blinking?! |
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| 02:00.16 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: that's your snyc ... |
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| 02:00.20 | takatumi | GlitchMaster: maybe it's trying to communicate....morse? |
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| 02:00.40 | GlitchMaster | takatumi: Again, it's steady one blink per second, precisely. |
| 02:00.43 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: that's your snyc ... |
| 02:00.48 | GlitchMaster | Sync?! |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | !sync |
| 02:00.52 | dpkg | for monitor Sync ranges and Refresh rates, see http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 02:00.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: man sync |
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| 02:02.29 | abrotman | !fart |
| 02:02.45 | bob2 | lovely |
| 02:02.46 | GlitchMaster | ...I'm still confused.. |
| 02:02.48 | GlitchMaster | Monitors? |
| 02:02.48 | Lord-Cereburus | hehe |
| 02:03.09 | error3_ | hi :-) |
| 02:03.09 | Lord-Cereburus | hello |
| 02:03.14 | GlitchMaster | Is it about monitors of filesystem buffers?! |
| 02:03.15 | skyisblue | !fire |
| 02:03.15 | dpkg | fire is, like, "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 02:03.25 | a-atwood_home | GlitchMaster: synchronizing disk to cache. |
| 02:03.33 | Lord-Cereburus | lol |
| 02:03.35 | GlitchMaster | Well.... why does it have to blink?! |
| 02:03.46 | error3_ | waou there's a lot of people here ! ^^ |
| 02:03.52 | GlitchMaster | It's depleting LED life... that will probably outlast me! |
| 02:04.11 | a-atwood_home | GlitchMaster: don't ask me. this machine is running Slack 7.1. ;^) |
| 02:04.25 | dvs | hello, i'm tring to install sarge on a machine with a pci video card, everything is fine for the first part of the install but after the reboot and directly after lilo boots the machine the screen goes blank , and stays that way |
| 02:04.29 | rob0 | well there it goes ... my first Debian install (sarge netinst) |
| 02:04.30 | willen_kaffe | anybody knows a link or directions on qmail and antispam at level os smtp, before the qmail-queue? |
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| 02:04.54 | abrotman | willen_kaffe: #qmail .. if there is a such a place |
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| 02:04.59 | rob0 | willen_kaffe: qmail is very weak at SMTP-level anti-spam |
| 02:05.05 | willen_kaffe | thank you |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: man sync |
| 02:05.16 | rob0 | look for the "spamcontrol" patch |
| 02:05.26 | GlitchMaster | I read. |
| 02:05.33 | GlitchMaster | It just tells me how to use it. |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | so what did it say .. and how are you confused? |
| 02:05.41 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: but the system also runs it |
| 02:05.57 | takatumi | dvs: try passing vga=791 or similar in your bootloader. |
| 02:06.01 | GlitchMaster | Right... |
| 02:06.06 | GlitchMaster | So... it flushes filesystem buffers.. |
| 02:06.08 | rob0 | with "spamcontrol" qmail can do about 40% of what Postfix can do, 30% of what Exim or sendmail can do. |
| 02:06.11 | GlitchMaster | That still does not explain the blinking! |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: it could |
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| 02:06.43 | bob2 | just use postfix |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | !beer bob2 |
| 02:06.53 | dvs | takatumi : thank you, i'll try it |
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| 02:07.08 | skyisblue | GlitchMaster: ps aux |
| 02:07.14 | rob0 | !beer rob0 |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:07.30 | GlitchMaster | None of you... make... sense.... O_<; |
| 02:07.40 | skyisblue | ;) |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | yes we do |
| 02:07.49 | error3_ | If someone is motivated in helping me... I have to do a resume of a research paper in english... But it's very late, my english is poor and I can't see mistakes anymore... So I need people to read it and to help me correcting mistakes... It's available on http://error3.dyndns.org/~serror3/article.ps |
| 02:07.52 | GlitchMaster | PS AUX has little to do with the blinking of a harddrive light.... How could it be related?! |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | error3_: #english |
| 02:08.11 | acetech | how can i shutdown x from a terminal? |
| 02:08.13 | error3_ | ah ok... |
| 02:08.14 | error3_ | thanks :- |
| 02:08.19 | flycast | killall -9 X |
| 02:08.33 | GlitchMaster | Is that really wise? |
| 02:08.38 | abrotman | who cares .. he asked |
| 02:08.39 | flycast | probably not |
| 02:08.41 | GlitchMaster | :P |
| 02:08.44 | acetech | thanx flycast |
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| 02:08.53 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: i gave you a valid/possible answer |
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| 02:09.07 | GlitchMaster | Yes, abrotman, but skyisblue did not. |
| 02:09.19 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: that's not my fault .. he's got brain damaage maybe |
| 02:09.29 | Lord-Cereburus | guys, aprox how long does it take for software to get into the apt stable branch? |
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| 02:09.40 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: you misunderstand how debian works |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | !faq |
| 02:09.55 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:09.56 | GlitchMaster | Perhaps he has witnessed one too many WinNoobs and has given into insanity. |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | read that |
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| 02:10.28 | rob0 | Earlier someone had said that the Debian boot CD's console is better than Slackware's, and that may have been true at one time, but not since about Slackware 9. But I do like how the d-i gives you all command output on tty3. |
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| 02:10.48 | skyisblue | :P |
| 02:10.54 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: in short .. once stable(currently woody) is released . it basically changes only for severe bugs and security .. new versions are not introduced |
| 02:11.05 | Lord-Cereburus | ah ok |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: what are you looking for? |
| 02:11.24 | Lord-Cereburus | oh just wondering |
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| 02:12.32 | mvhurja | how i can install irssi in debian |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 02:12.44 | error3_ | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 02:12.45 | mvhurja | thnx |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | !tell mvhurja about search |
| 02:13.03 | gimbal | hi; i'm using packag2 j2sdk1.4 , trying ot get some java crap built, presently; anyone here knows how to deal with this from an 'ant' run? :com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. |
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| 02:13.33 | melanie | does anyone know of any knoppix based projects which focus on educational/fun software for children? |
| 02:13.51 | error3_ | #knoppix ? |
| 02:13.56 | error3_ | :p |
| 02:13.57 | melanie | mm |
| 02:14.01 | abrotman | melanie: possibly ask schoolforge or check the seul/EDU stuff |
| 02:14.10 | gimbal | "Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK" it says .. try export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/ & no better |
| 02:14.18 | melanie | ty abrotman |
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| 02:14.38 | The_Vulture | gimbal: this isn't really the right channel, but add tools.jar to your CLASSPATH most likely, did you actually check that /usr/lib/j2se/1.4 is the location of your java install? |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | gimbal: i'd ask #java .. |
| 02:14.59 | takatumi | error3_: s/priori/prior/ (there ends my contribution :) ) |
| 02:15.04 | nvz | thought I was going senile there for a moment. |
| 02:15.09 | Guerin | gimbal: how did you install java? Using make-jpkg? |
| 02:15.19 | mvhurja | abrotman: it say Sorry, but the following packages hane unmet dependencies |
| 02:15.20 | error3_ | takatumi, ty very much :-) |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | nvz: what makes you think you're not? |
| 02:15.24 | gimbal | Guerin: 1) yes, 2) i have no idea; it doesn't seem to pertain |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | mvhurja: don't mix sources |
| 02:15.35 | Guerin | gimbal: ??? |
| 02:15.40 | gimbal | Guerin: exactly. |
| 02:15.41 | Guerin | gimbal: read my question again. |
| 02:15.49 | gimbal | Guerin: nevermind joe |
| 02:15.54 | r00t | http://gmail.google.com/gmail/a-b6425be532-938cb9e8d7-8ea15733ef |
| 02:15.54 | mvhurja | abrotman: mean apt.get souces.list ? |
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| 02:15.59 | nostalg1c | has anyone here used http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/#id2497959 before ? |
| 02:16.03 | Guerin | gimbal: no; answer the question. |
| 02:16.05 | gimbal | fwiw, i'd presumed that "everything would just work" after that nifty debian j2se installer |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | gimbal: you should use java-package |
| 02:16.08 | gimbal | Guerin: eff off |
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| 02:16.19 | abrotman | gimbal: and use the ant package |
| 02:16.20 | gimbal | abrotman: doesn't work |
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| 02:16.29 | Guerin | !mhallsmite gimbal |
| 02:16.30 | dpkg | Fuck gimbal. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 02:16.32 | gimbal | abrotman: doesn't pertaini |
| 02:16.37 | gimbal | Guerin: burn in hell |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | gimbal: bullshit .. works fine |
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| 02:16.57 | nostalg1c | i'm installing postfix, but when i connect to localhost:25 i get no banner, and no response to any line i'm typing |
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| 02:16.58 | Guerin | wow, he gets the fucktard du jour award |
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| 02:17.05 | nostalg1c | i do get a connection though |
| 02:17.11 | renan | I'm trying to compile kernel, but I'm receiving this message: scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types: File not found Am I need some lib to compile ??? |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | mvhurja: yes .. don't mix sources .. stuff breaks .. then you swear at us again |
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| 02:17.41 | bob2 | renan: don't compile your own kernel |
| 02:17.42 | Guerin | nostalg1c: #postfix |
| 02:17.42 | grendal_prime | whos good with video issues? |
| 02:17.52 | bob2 | if you insist, install build-essential |
| 02:17.52 | Guerin | grendal_prime: LucasArts |
| 02:18.13 | grendal_prime | im watching my new king instument rating training videos...and the horizontal lines..are strange |
| 02:18.24 | nostalg1c | Guerin, i'm asking there, but i'm asking here too because i overheard some people talking about the guide i'm using yesterday, and i was hoping perhaps someone would be able to help me |
| 02:18.34 | renan | bob2: but I need some lib ? I need to compile ndiswrapper |
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| 02:18.35 | grendal_prime | its like when there is movement left to right..its like every other line is slow to catch up |
| 02:18.49 | justin | grendal_prime: its interlaced |
| 02:18.59 | Guerin | nostalg1c: my guess is that it's not installed correctly. |
| 02:19.00 | bob2 | renan: then why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 02:19.01 | grendal_prime | how do i get rid of that problem |
| 02:19.07 | Guerin | nostalg1c: read your logs |
| 02:19.13 | justin | grendal_prime: with a deinterlacer,d uh |
| 02:19.19 | grendal_prime | o |
| 02:19.19 | doleyb | grendal_prime: watch it on a TV-out |
| 02:19.33 | nvz | abrotman: cause I found the cigar I had thought I might have smoked already |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | nvz: no more beer for you |
| 02:19.44 | grendal_prime | well i was using ogle to view it... |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | i thought ogle was dead |
| 02:20.05 | renan | bob2: to compile ndiswrapper i need to enable some stuffs on kernel. can you tell me if some lib is missing please ? |
| 02:20.06 | abrotman | xine? |
| 02:20.09 | abrotman | mplayer? |
| 02:20.33 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, I didn't have any beer to begin with... not a big loss there |
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| 02:20.57 | abrotman | nvz: maybe you are losing your mind :) |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | nvz: or sunday is rubbing off on you |
| 02:21.34 | nvz | abrotman: all day, unless it rains.. and its pretty clear out |
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| 02:24.02 | Willis | williscfdisk |
| 02:24.11 | flycast | God created aids to punish homosexuals |
| 02:24.11 | Willis | cf |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | flycast: what the fuck was that? |
| 02:24.29 | risky | ¿¿?? |
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| 02:24.43 | error3_ | flycast, do you have a problem with homosexual ? |
| 02:24.45 | error3_ | arf =) |
| 02:24.47 | error3_ | thanks :-) |
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| 02:25.06 | flycast | sorry |
| 02:25.14 | error3_ | not as me... |
| 02:25.29 | error3_ | not as I am... |
| 02:25.39 | error3_ | :-/ my english is so poor ^^ |
| 02:25.57 | mvhurja | abrotman: hey |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | ?? |
| 02:26.06 | Guerin | don't be sorry. begone. |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | flycast: there is no way you could possibly apologize |
| 02:26.24 | willis_x | help ... plz |
| 02:26.26 | Guerin | just for that |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | !plz |
| 02:26.28 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
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| 02:26.32 | Guerin | !mhallsmite flycast |
| 02:26.33 | dpkg | Fuck flycast. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | mvhurja: what |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:26.42 | mvhurja | to me happened one shit think today.. debian didnt find my ibm thinkpad t30 networkcard driver :( |
| 02:26.51 | nvz | abrotman: hey, he might be right. scientists are getting really close to preventing transmission of the disease from a male to a female.. they may start calling it GRID again |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | mvhurja: so what chipset is it? |
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| 02:28.03 | mvhurja | Intel |
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| 02:28.19 | bob2 | you mean 'e100'? |
| 02:29.03 | abrotman | mvhurja: lspci .. what is it? |
| 02:29.22 | nvz | I need to get more organized.. I need to find some software to catalog things I think of I need to do, and to keep track of how long they go undone, and bug me about it.. heh |
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| 02:29.40 | mvhurja | Intel Pro/100 VE networkcard |
| 02:29.42 | bob2 | just write them in a text file |
| 02:29.48 | bob2 | mvhurja: load the e100 module |
| 02:29.57 | nvz | I used to write em in /etc/motd |
| 02:30.06 | willis_x | i need help in setting up a hard drive for a install |
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| 02:30.16 | WiFiTux | Is there a way to make debian re-scan for hardware? make the kernel reload hardware? |
| 02:30.27 | error3_ | discover ? |
| 02:30.28 | bob2 | it does that on every boot |
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| 02:30.38 | abrotman | if you've discover installed |
| 02:30.38 | nvz | system related tasks I wanted to do.. but I have a short attention span that goes where the most available action is.. so I usually balance a lot of things at once.. |
| 02:30.39 | WiFiTux | bob2, I don' want to reboot :) |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | oh god |
| 02:30.44 | abrotman | reboot |
| 02:30.46 | error3_ | just you can /etc/init.d/discover restart... |
| 02:30.49 | nvz | a simple list is not what I need |
| 02:30.59 | bob2 | WiFiTux: then tell us what sort of hardware it is |
| 02:31.01 | bob2 | lordy |
| 02:31.11 | nvz | I need the nvz bug tracking system.. heh where I can file bugs against myself. |
| 02:31.12 | bob2 | if it's usb then hotplug already loaded whatevr module exists for it |
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| 02:31.33 | mvhurja | i that hard to install that driver manually ? |
| 02:31.35 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, I have a laptop with swappable bays, HDD and a CD-ROM drive, I need to swap them while booted. |
| 02:31.48 | bob2 | WiFiTux: you mean 'want'. |
| 02:31.55 | bob2 | I don't know that linux supports that. |
| 02:31.55 | takatumi | nvz: tried freemind? |
| 02:32.07 | WiFiTux | bob2, Need! |
| 02:32.19 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok, I'll try discover. |
| 02:32.22 | asuffield | unmount all filesystems, unload the drivers, and you can swap anything you like |
| 02:32.40 | WiFiTux | asuffield, right. How? |
| 02:32.45 | bob2 | WiFiTux: how would discover help? |
| 02:32.46 | Guerin | even write a script to do it |
| 02:32.46 | skyisblue | WiFiTux: hotswap |
| 02:32.48 | asuffield | pull it out and push the new one in |
| 02:32.50 | nvz | takatumi: nope.. is that like the commercial "Brain" software that came out years ago, mapping of thoughts into a web? I wonder. |
| 02:33.03 | bob2 | I'm almost certain hotunplugging IDE is not going to work |
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| 02:33.06 | zignig | asuffield: ide can be a bit flakey, even if you spin down the drive. |
| 02:33.09 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, I'm listening. How does hotswap works on Linux? |
| 02:33.10 | takatumi | nvz: haven't tried it, it's packaged in debian. |
| 02:33.10 | asuffield | as long as the drivers aren't loaded and the power switching of the hardware supports hot-plugging, linux doesn't care |
| 02:33.17 | WiFiTux | bob2, I have no idea. |
| 02:33.26 | nvz | takatumi: I see that, I will check it out sometime soon |
| 02:33.38 | asuffield | zignig: IDE devices have to be specially designed for hot-plugging |
| 02:33.45 | asuffield | the normal power switching does not support it |
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| 02:34.02 | Guerin | hrm, I just smelt the telltale aroma of blue smoke |
| 02:34.06 | nvz | takatumi: I thought about using a actual bts or wiki for my random studies, notes, and things to do.. but I dont want something thats more work in and of itself than the things its organizing |
| 02:34.06 | Guerin | you know |
| 02:34.10 | Guerin | the magic kind |
| 02:34.15 | abrotman | !magic smoke |
| 02:34.15 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 02:34.21 | skyisblue | WiFiTux: aptitude and "/" "hotswap" |
| 02:34.34 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, ok |
| 02:34.39 | takatumi | nvz: I would say just stop thinking :) |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | that doesn't work |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | skyisblue: you're crazy |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | WiFiTux: hotplug is mostly for usb/firewire |
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| 02:34.53 | skyisblue | thx |
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| 02:35.06 | abrotman | !hotplug |
| 02:35.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/, or see discover |
| 02:35.10 | asuffield | hotswap is a widget for activating certain driver-specific functions, on drivers which support it without being reloaded. your driver may or may not support it |
| 02:35.21 | abrotman | well. they say for ide too .. whatever |
| 02:35.21 | mvhurja | is think importantant question.. Apt Configuration Use non-Us software ? |
| 02:35.43 | mvhurja | im from finland |
| 02:35.54 | asuffield | abrotman: CF cards are technically IDE |
| 02:36.09 | asuffield | (they're also PCMCIA at the same time) |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | and SCSI :) |
| 02:36.15 | nvz | takatumi: yeah right.. I think uncontrollably I need some way to keep track of it all.. so I can visualize progress of any particular area. |
| 02:36.18 | Guerin | hrm, nope, all the smoke seems to still be in my electronic devicen |
| 02:36.24 | willis_x | in setting hdd up which do you make bootable ? |
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| 02:36.28 | asuffield | they aren't actually SCSI devices; they don't support ATAPI |
| 02:36.32 | willis_x | hda2 |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | it was a joike |
| 02:36.36 | willis_x | or hda1 |
| 02:36.37 | Guerin | willis_x: irrelevant |
| 02:36.45 | [TheAsp] | Hmm, new lirc has broken my remote setup |
| 02:36.48 | Guerin | willis_x: neither of those is a hard drive |
| 02:36.59 | willis_x | partition ? |
| 02:37.25 | Guerin | WiFiTux: fwiw, linux doesn't care about the "bootable" flag - only windows does. |
| 02:37.28 | willis_x | which partition ? hda1 or hda3 ? |
| 02:37.30 | resiak | willis_x: Oh, and avoid saying "hdd" as an abbreviation for "hard disk", because of /dev/hdd :) |
| 02:37.34 | nvz | [TheAsp]: of course you know, in Soviet Russia your remote setup, breaks you. |
| 02:37.34 | willis_x | or hda2 |
| 02:37.46 | [TheAsp] | :P |
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| 02:39.00 | WiFiTux | abrotman, the package hotswap is awesome and it's doing what I wanted. |
| 02:39.08 | abrotman | ok .. |
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| 02:39.12 | abrotman | skyisblue is not crazy |
| 02:39.16 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, thanks buddy, I think hotswap will do it. |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | !skyisblue is not crazy |
| 02:39.16 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 02:39.21 | skyisblue | thx again |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | !skyisblue |
| 02:39.26 | dpkg | from memory, skyisblue is not crazy |
| 02:39.40 | skyisblue | XD |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | much better than mine |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | !abrotman |
| 02:39.53 | dpkg | somebody said abrotman was http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 02:40.04 | dpkg | i heard useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:40.22 | willen_kaffe | i installed bittorrent in a debian-amd64 and seems that it didnt work, what is the program that i have to run? |
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| 02:40.48 | zignig | abrotman: quick create more useless factoids ! |
| 02:40.50 | Guerin | willen_kaffe: dpkg -L bittorrent |grep bin |
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| 02:41.13 | abrotman | zignig: no duh |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | zignig: we used to have lots |
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| 02:41.28 | shekhinah | bitdownloadgui |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | !dog fart |
| 02:41.34 | dpkg | dog fart is, like, when a big black man puts his alabama black snake in a small white man's ass... |
| 02:41.37 | abrotman | like that .. |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:41.43 | headly | if I change the url of a source in sources.list, do I need to run something to clear out the previous cache? |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 02:41.52 | WiFiTux | Could someone check into #flood to tell me what could be a little problem about that hotswap. I think I almost have it... |
| 02:41.54 | Guerin | !factinfo dog fart |
| 02:41.54 | dpkg | dog fart -- created by wotan <~wotan@63.238.106.2> at Mon Feb 24 17:32:11 2003 (692 days); last modified at Tue Feb 25 14:21:26 2003 by sussudio; it has been requested 3 times, last by abrotman, 21s ago. |
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| 02:41.58 | shekhinah | apt-get update |
| 02:42.07 | Guerin | good ole sussudio, huh |
| 02:42.10 | headly | shekhinah: anything besides that? |
| 02:42.13 | shekhinah | and apt-get upgrade -u |
| 02:42.14 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, could you check one min.. |
| 02:42.18 | willen_kaffe | just type apt-get clean |
| 02:42.20 | abrotman | sussudio modified it? |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | Guerin: it's gone now |
| 02:42.36 | mousex | xam: hi, there! It's being long since I saw you around . . . |
| 02:42.47 | skyisblue | WiFiTux: sorry i am not a expert. even i have no laptop.. |
| 02:42.53 | Nekrataal | hey, wich line should i put on /etc/fstab to get a vfat partition writeable for all users and automounted? |
| 02:42.57 | xam | mousex: indeed ;) |
| 02:43.09 | resiak | !vfatrw |
| 02:43.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 02:43.40 | skyisblue | WiFiTux: sorry again. |
| 02:43.42 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, no problem. |
| 02:43.42 | WiFiTux | abrotman, could you check #flood for a sec. |
| 02:43.49 | nostalg1c | omg |
| 02:43.50 | mousex | xam: you know, I was never able to compile my kernel, but thanks to the one you gave me I've been running XFree86 smoothly. |
| 02:44.02 | nostalg1c | i spent 3 days trying to get qmail/vpopmail to work without success |
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| 02:44.20 | nostalg1c | and postfix w/ mysql & courier-* took me like an hour or so |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | i blame qmail |
| 02:44.23 | nostalg1c | yes |
| 02:44.25 | nostalg1c | i do too |
| 02:44.29 | nostalg1c | but i like qmailadmin |
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| 02:44.37 | nostalg1c | oh well i'll just write my own gui |
| 02:44.51 | xam | mousex: yes, it is running fine here aswell. Now I only need to get my soundcard to work properly |
| 02:45.03 | mousex | xam: Same here. I get an error saying, "asked for 24; returned 16" |
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| 02:45.06 | abrotman | nostalg1c: but qmail still sucks :) |
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| 02:45.08 | Guerin | nostalg1c: get postfixadmin |
| 02:45.13 | nostalg1c | abrotman, no doubt! |
| 02:45.15 | mousex | xam: is it a module issue? |
| 02:45.24 | nostalg1c | Guerin, will that work with the mysql thingie? |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | nostalg1c: i believe the only thing worse .. might be webmin |
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| 02:45.41 | abrotman | mysql is just a hair better :) |
| 02:45.52 | nostalg1c | abrotman, am i glad i already removed webmin :) |
| 02:45.55 | xam | mousex: I haven't seen such an error message before. When/how do you get it |
| 02:46.15 | Guerin | nostalg1c: it's a php web interface to a mysql database. You might have to tweak the specific sql statements if you database isn't the same as the author's, but it works well. |
| 02:46.22 | Guerin | nostalg1c: you also want to run it over tls. |
| 02:46.24 | mwilson | stupid xdm... howinhell do I get a screenshot of you? |
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| 02:46.27 | nostalg1c | i'm not afraid of some tweaking |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought there was a keycombo in X |
| 02:46.46 | nostalg1c | you have no idea how relieved i am that i got this to work already, i just took the gun away from my head |
| 02:46.54 | mwilson | abrotman: Is there? I dunno. |
| 02:46.59 | nostalg1c | Guerin, you mean run smtp over tls? pop over tls? postfixadmin over tls? |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought there was .. but i'm not sure what it is |
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| 02:47.14 | mousex | xam: happens whenever I try sending sound to the card (running artsd, for instance). "Error while initializing the sound driver. unknown format given by driver (_format = -1, asked driver to give 16, got 24)" |
| 02:47.20 | mwilson | abrotman: I'm sure I could add something to xdm's keybindings in the login widget... I added a reset-session there. |
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| 02:47.31 | Guerin | nostalg1c: oh, all of the above. But in the last case, I means the postfixadmin web interface over ssl ... |
| 02:47.36 | mwilson | abrotman: Just spent the last couple hours tweaking xdm to be pretty. |
| 02:47.38 | Nekrataal | reisak but that will give only me the rw permision, not to everyone |
| 02:47.43 | nostalg1c | yea that's what i thought, just the 'tls' sounded weird :) |
| 02:47.48 | abrotman | mwilson: you got it to be pretty? |
| 02:47.50 | myren | mwilson: isnt that what gdm is for? |
| 02:47.52 | mwilson | abrotman: Of course. |
| 02:47.57 | xam | mousex: well, what kind of soundcard are you using? |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | mwilson: you're ambitious |
| 02:48.03 | nostalg1c | Guerin, in any case, thanks for all your help. you have no idea what it meant to me, seriously! |
| 02:48.04 | mvhurja | how can i change locales settings |
| 02:48.06 | Guerin | this I gotta see |
| 02:48.08 | mwilson | myren: No, gdm is for being crap. |
| 02:48.10 | resiak | While we're on the subject of keys in X, I remember that, a long time ago, I was given a command to draw a nice keyboard picture. Any clues as to what it was? |
| 02:48.11 | xam | mousex: the onboard one? |
| 02:48.19 | mousex | xam: Analog Devices AD1889 (integrated) |
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| 02:48.34 | Guerin | nostalg1c: heh. postfixadmin is at http://high5.net/ |
| 02:48.40 | resiak | Nekrataal: Erm, that example showed how to make it rwxr-xr-x and rwxrwxr-x. I'd hope that you could extrapolate. |
| 02:48.45 | mwilson | Guerin: See what? |
| 02:48.53 | Guerin | mwilson: pretty xdm |
| 02:48.58 | mousex | xam: something weird is that sometimes (with the OSS modules), the card sends all sound to the internal speaker . . . but it plays way too fast |
| 02:48.59 | xam | mousex: yeah, the onboard. AFAIK it doesn't support anything other than 44kHz wav |
| 02:49.02 | mwilson | Guerin: <shrug> Not like it's hard. |
| 02:49.23 | mwilson | Guerin: Time-consuming, yes. Hard, no. Only thing about it is that it only supports core fonts. |
| 02:49.44 | Guerin | mwilson: well, I spent part of yesterday making my x window system look identical to the linux console |
| 02:49.45 | myren | there's a couple rumors nvidia's next SoundStorm is going to be integrated with the video card. |
| 02:49.47 | xam | mousex: well, the card supports more, but the driver doesn't. nobody bothered to write a good driver, likely due to lack of documentation |
| 02:49.49 | myren | that'd be cool |
| 02:49.55 | mwilson | Guerin: Why? |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | this movie is sooo weird |
| 02:50.02 | myren | Guerin: isnt that what ratpoison/ion are for? |
| 02:50.04 | mousex | xam: I would install another one, but the only sound modules I have are for the onboard card, I think |
| 02:50.06 | resiak | Guerin: Did you ever succeed in your quest to build a framebuffer GTK? |
| 02:50.06 | Guerin | mwilson: because it was there? |
| 02:50.07 | myren | abrotman: what movie? |
| 02:50.12 | xam | mousex: that's why I try to get a PCI card working |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | death to smoochy |
| 02:50.19 | myren | nice |
| 02:50.24 | mwilson | Guerin: That's about the best reason there is. |
| 02:50.29 | mousex | xam: have you tried with an es1371? |
| 02:50.30 | Guerin | resiak: nope. Upstream failed to see my freetype libs; debian package was broken. |
| 02:50.35 | Guerin | mwilson: I think so. |
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| 02:50.48 | mwilson | <sigh> I think I have to do it with xwd before logging in. |
| 02:51.05 | resiak | Guerin: Bugger. |
| 02:51.08 | mwilson | Ah, well... another time. |
| 02:51.14 | acetech | is there a webcam feature for gaim? |
| 02:51.14 | Guerin | mwilson: it's surprisingly useful, too - since the only two windows I ever have open are firefox and urxvt, I just switch desktops between them, and it's all good |
| 02:51.18 | smacnay | what does the message "could not write /var/run/utmp" mean when I close a term window? Seems my terms are acting strange. |
| 02:51.45 | Guerin | resiak: one thing I didn't do, though, is run dh_make over the upstream source and try to build it that way ... though I don't expect that would have helped. |
| 02:51.52 | smacnay | Would a very long buffer in irssi affect this? |
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| 02:51.55 | resiak | Nekrataal: If you insist, you need umask=000 . |
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| 02:52.01 | resiak | Guerin: Ah well. |
| 02:52.06 | myren | what xterm is everyone using? i use aterm. *shrug* |
| 02:52.11 | resiak | !poll |
| 02:52.11 | dpkg | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 02:52.15 | resiak | ;) |
| 02:52.19 | myren | word |
| 02:52.29 | myren | i'll have to setup a callback, see if that has any better performance |
| 02:52.31 | mwilson | myren: I imagine the xterm everyone is using is, well, xterm. You, on the other hand, are not using an xterm, you are using aterm. |
| 02:52.31 | xam | mousex: I tried with a ICE1712 (Envy24) |
| 02:52.31 | mousex | xam: I think many Ensoniq cards have es1371, which is well supported on most platforms. . . . but pa-risc . . . |
| 02:52.49 | mousex | xam: how did it go with the ice1712? |
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| 02:52.59 | Guerin | 1371 is one of the worst cards ever |
| 02:53.02 | myren | xam: i've got one of those. |
| 02:53.02 | mtqh | How do you force a reinstall of a package |
| 02:53.09 | Guerin | along with 18xx |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install pkgname |
| 02:53.18 | mousex | Guerin: probably, but it works |
| 02:53.22 | myren | mousex: mine works pretty good. no hardware mixer, but other than that. |
| 02:53.33 | mtqh | Thanks |
| 02:53.33 | mousex | myren: xterm |
| 02:53.42 | mousex | myren: on which arch, pa-risc? |
| 02:53.50 | xam | well, it kinda plays, but there is always an annoying jitter/interruption during playback ... about 4 jitters/sec |
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| 02:54.04 | Xenguy | mousex: rxvt |
| 02:54.05 | jasz | hello |
| 02:54.08 | myren | mousex: good god man, k7-smp. i cant begin to fathom pa-risc even having sound. ;) |
| 02:54.14 | xam | myren: Terratec DMX 6fire here |
| 02:54.25 | mwilson | My pa-risc has a sound chip |
| 02:54.28 | myren | M-Audio Delta 410. |
| 02:54.30 | mousex | myren: :) |
| 02:54.43 | jasz | my girlfriend wants to know what an irc channel is.. so.. here I am :P |
| 02:54.47 | mousex | mwilson: but did you ever get that sound to work? |
| 02:54.49 | jasz | say hi y'all |
| 02:54.51 | myren | ah, the no-overlap windo manager |
| 02:54.59 | myren | hi jasz girlfriend. |
| 02:55.00 | mwilson | harmony0 at gsc0 offset 4000 irq 13: rev 64 |
| 02:55.00 | mwilson | audio0 at harmony0 |
| 02:55.03 | myren | what client are you using jasz |
| 02:55.04 | xam | mousex: however the 'harmony' chipset on the older pariscs is well supported |
| 02:55.08 | mousex | jasz: hi |
| 02:55.13 | Xenguy | jasz: oh no, you really know how to pick a channel :P |
| 02:55.20 | mousex | jasz: give here a good kiss for me . . . ;) |
| 02:55.21 | jasz | myren ... old fashioned BitchX :( |
| 02:55.21 | xam | mwilson ;) |
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| 02:55.38 | resiak | This really isn't that bad. It's rather amusing, actually. |
| 02:55.47 | xam | mwilson: what machine? |
| 02:55.53 | jasz | ok.. done.. chao.. |
| 02:55.59 | mwilson | HP 9000/712/80 (King Gecko) PA-RISC 1.1c |
| 02:56.06 | mwilson | 128 mb RAM |
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| 02:56.29 | mousex | xam, mwilson: I wonder if there's a way to tell the ad1889 driver to only use 44KHz |
| 02:56.31 | WiFiTux | mwilson, Of Blue Screen Death? |
| 02:56.36 | Guerin | resiak: virtual desktops? |
| 02:56.38 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 02:56.44 | xam | mwilson: faster than my old 730, but not as fast as my other machines (C240 and C3000) |
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| 02:57.10 | resiak | Guerin: It does feel a little like an exercise in masochism. |
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| 02:57.17 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:57.19 | xam | mousex: don't know. I didn't even really bother getting sound out of the onboard chipset |
| 02:57.21 | mwilson | WiFiTux: Excuse me? |
| 02:57.38 | myren | i miss the old onboard nvidia soundstorm, even if the linux drivers are the suck |
| 02:57.46 | myren | realtime dolby encoding rocked house |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | get a job as a manager? |
| 02:58.40 | mousex | xam: do you know if sound that goes to the sound card can be somehow redirected in real time to a mp3/shoutcast server? |
| 02:58.44 | myren | i need a job first, i think. ;) |
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| 02:58.56 | Jay | during the Sarge installer process, at what point do you select your kernel choice? I want to install the 2.6.10 kernel, and I wasnt sure if it's a boot parameter or a choice made later during the install |
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| 02:59.16 | myren | mousex: apt-cache search "line in" and line-in. there's a number of programs for that, although its psuedo-realtime at best. |
| 02:59.18 | mousex | resiak: I hate that XFce is slower than it should be . . . for what it offers |
| 02:59.19 | resiak | Jay: When you boot, you get a 2.4 unless you say otherwise at the lilo prompt. |
| 02:59.24 | resiak | mousex: It |
| 02:59.29 | resiak | mousex: 's snappy enough for me. |
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| 02:59.40 | mousex | resiak: :) |
| 02:59.45 | Jay | ah ok |
| 02:59.46 | resiak | Jay: However, there's nothing to stop you from apt-get install-ing a 2.6 kernel later, which is what I did. |
| 02:59.50 | WiFiTux | mwilson, joking oBSD and BSOD... |
| 02:59.55 | xam | mousex: haven't used/setup shoutcast, so I wouldn't know. However I'm pretty sure it is possible |
| 02:59.55 | Jay | you can apt-get a new kernel? |
| 03:00.06 | WiFiTux | Jay, yes. |
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| 03:00.08 | Jay | do you have to do a lot of configuring after if you do it that way? |
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| 03:00.19 | resiak | Jay: In any case, this is a moot point since 2.6.9 isn't in Sarge, let alone 2.6.10. |
| 03:00.21 | WiFiTux | Jay, say Y |
| 03:00.22 | resiak | Jay: No. |
| 03:00.24 | bedboi | hi there |
| 03:00.29 | mvhurja | i need to configure fi-keyboard |
| 03:00.45 | bedboi | anyone knows if nfs filesystem got a file size limit of 2GB? |
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| 03:00.50 | Jay | is 2.6.7 at least? |
| 03:00.57 | xam | mwilson: does OBSD even support all devices? Last time didn't support multiuser nor the harddrives, and had some issues with the network cards |
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| 03:01.09 | resiak | Jay: For example, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:01.12 | resiak | Jay: 2.6.8 |
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| 03:01.43 | doub | hi there |
| 03:01.46 | mwilson | The HD is SCSI... works just fine. As for whether or not it supports multiuser, I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 03:01.48 | mvhurja | hi |
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| 03:01.52 | abrotman | bedboi: search google |
| 03:01.57 | Jay | ok great....I run Mepis and I wanted to get on debian, I just wanted to make sure I can get a reasonably new kernel |
| 03:02.10 | mwilson | oBSD doesn't support the floppy, but I'm given to understand that little does. |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | my froppy works |
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| 03:02.45 | xam | mwilson: well, last time when init was started and two users were logged in at the same time it went havoc |
| 03:02.45 | mousex | xam: I think soundgrab + sox + liveice do the trick . . . ;) |
| 03:02.48 | Jay | when you apt-get install a new kernel, does it leave the old kernel and let you choose each at boot, or what? |
| 03:03.04 | resiak | Jay: Exactly. |
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| 03:03.18 | Jay | that's great, thanks! |
| 03:03.18 | shingouz | mvhurja: you have the keymap in /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty and "man install-keymap" should give you the info you need |
| 03:03.19 | myren | what can i use to read and write a unix socket? i want a telnet for unix sockets, basically. |
| 03:03.22 | resiak | Jay: We know that Debian is great :-) |
| 03:03.29 | Jay | hehe |
| 03:03.38 | royal_ | Jay, I believe it will move the current kernel to /vmlinuz.old and if lilo is set up right you can choose old on boot |
| 03:03.44 | xam | mwilson: the SCSI floppy isn't supported on linux either. However some of the hacker think of supporting it in the future, but it is real low priority |
| 03:03.56 | resiak | Jay: Of course, some of us would say to use Grub. |
| 03:04.01 | myren | xam: arent there kernel drivers for that? |
| 03:04.02 | Jay | does debian install lilo by default? |
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| 03:04.03 | abrotman | i thought the scsi floppy worked |
| 03:04.05 | skyisblue | Grub |
| 03:04.07 | Guerin | this is pretty nifty |
| 03:04.09 | mwilson | xam: Oh, I've had 5-6 users logged into this thing at one time with no problems. |
| 03:04.14 | resiak | Jay: If you don't do the expert install, you'll get Grub. |
| 03:04.15 | xam | mousex: yeah, even esd can re-route the input to a file |
| 03:04.15 | Guerin | can't believe I never used ratpoison before |
| 03:04.16 | royal_ | resiak, Not familiar with grub. Been wanting to try it... |
| 03:04.18 | Jay | I prefer lilo after having used both |
| 03:04.20 | shingouz | on kernel 2.4.26 would the usb work (at least to some extent) without usbcore.o? i seem to be missing that one for some odd reason |
| 03:04.20 | SDFH_Linux | does the nvidia driver work with kernel 2.6.10? |
| 03:04.29 | thomas_adam | Guerin: If you like your keyboard, it's cool. |
| 03:04.29 | resiak | Jay: Then pick an expert install when you install Sarge. |
| 03:04.37 | abrotman | !sing thomas_adam |
| 03:04.37 | dpkg | thomas_adam was an IRCer, alas he is no more, for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4 |
| 03:04.38 | royal_ | Jay, What's the difference? |
| 03:04.42 | resiak | royal_: It is teh rox0r, etc. |
| 03:04.43 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 03:04.48 | Jay | for me, just the config |
| 03:04.57 | doub | myren: i bet you'll have to do it yourself |
| 03:04.59 | royal_ | resiak, rox0r? |
| 03:05.03 | Guerin | thomas_adam: indeed. I like my ratpoison-alike openbox setup better, I think |
| 03:05.04 | resiak | royal_: Ahem. |
| 03:05.16 | Jay | I found lilo easier, maybe just from having more experience with it |
| 03:05.17 | resiak | royal_: I meant to say, it's cool. |
| 03:05.25 | xam | mwilson: so OBSD is making progress it seem. Good to hear! Is it stable enough for everyday use? what about the graphics support/ |
| 03:05.27 | doub | myren: or configure telnet to listen on 127.0.0.1, which is basically the same |
| 03:05.41 | royal_ | resiak, Ok :-) |
| 03:05.57 | royal_ | Jay, Yeah, I mostly mess with lilo, too... |
| 03:06.16 | Jay | hehe |
| 03:06.17 | mwilson | xam: oBSD in general, or oBSD on pa-risc? |
| 03:06.17 | SDFH_Linux | does the nvidia driver work with kernel 2.6.10? |
| 03:06.25 | WiFiTux | mwilson, OBSD you mean OpenBSD? Last time I tried it, it was hard to get working, but that's me. |
| 03:06.28 | doub | Jay: if you're not about doing fancy stuff, grub is quite simple too |
| 03:06.29 | resiak | !tell SDFH_Linux about repeat |
| 03:06.29 | xam | resiak: consider yourself lucky ;) |
| 03:06.32 | royal_ | Anyone know GLAME around here and know why GLAME crashes each time I load a network I previously saved? |
| 03:06.38 | resiak | xam: Oh, I do. |
| 03:06.40 | xam | mwilson: OBSD on pa |
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| 03:06.44 | abrotman | bts? |
| 03:06.45 | Jay | Maybe I just dont know how to do it with grub, but I like the fact that with lilo, you have to run lilo after you change the config, and it will warn you if you made something that isnt bootable |
| 03:06.48 | Jam | holas |
| 03:06.49 | Jam | !!! |
| 03:06.50 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:06.52 | Jam | com oestamos |
| 03:06.52 | resiak | !es |
| 03:06.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:07.04 | resiak | Jay: Meh, it's harder to break Grub. |
| 03:07.04 | WiFiTux | SDFH_Linux, It worked for me on 2.6.9 |
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| 03:07.09 | xam | mwilson: I've some experience with the BSDs, especially Net/Open |
| 03:07.15 | doub | Jay: and allows you to change the config on bootup, in case you messed it up |
| 03:07.24 | mwilson | xam: It's plenty stable... supposedly X runs on it too, but I've never done it. Mine is a headless toy. |
| 03:07.29 | SDFH_Linux | i am on 2.6.9 and it works but wondering if it works yet with 2.6.10 |
| 03:07.33 | resiak | Grub > Lilo, etc. |
| 03:07.48 | WiFiTux | simonrvn, there is a Debian for BSD, or in that platform? |
| 03:07.54 | xam | mwilson should make a nice 'thin client' or (fat) X-Server |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | !debian bsd |
| 03:07.57 | dpkg | [debian bsd] a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 03:08.08 | bedboi | what's nfs version in sid? |
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| 03:08.16 | resiak | bedboi: Why don't you look for yourself? |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | !info nfs sid |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | !tell bedboi about search |
| 03:08.25 | akusarujin | does anyone know why my sound mixer shows so many seemingly useless options (volume control levels for random stuff that i know nothing about, like fine-tweaking the soundcard)? instead of just master volume, surround volume, etc.. it goes into weird stuff like "emu10k1 pcm send 1" and different stuff like that.. |
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| 03:08.30 | SDFH_Linux | i got a acpi_off error when i turn off this computer |
| 03:08.43 | SDFH_Linux | and it will not turn off |
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| 03:08.48 | SDFH_Linux | hangs |
| 03:08.54 | royal_ | akusarujin, I used to get that, too... |
| 03:08.56 | WiFiTux | abrotman, cool, so a Debian for Theo, awesome if it supports apt-get... |
| 03:08.58 | skyisblue | oops |
| 03:09.00 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: Then your box can't do turn-off-by-ACPI. |
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| 03:09.14 | SDFH_Linux | ok how i fix resiak? |
| 03:09.23 | skyisblue | tirc bugs.. |
| 03:09.24 | SDFH_Linux | *resiak? |
| 03:09.32 | royal_ | akusarujin, Can't remember when I lost those extra's. What sound driver you running? oss, alsa? |
| 03:09.48 | doub | SDFH_Linux: maybe try a BIOS update |
| 03:09.50 | xam | SDFH_Linux you can't fix resiak. He is broken beyond repair |
| 03:09.53 | akusarujin | royal_, alsa.. |
| 03:09.54 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:09.55 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:09.59 | WiFiTux | SDFH_Linux, I had that problem, I had to make my own kernel and enable some APM and acpi thingies. |
| 03:10.03 | resiak | !resiak |
| 03:10.03 | dpkg | well, resiak is a bot |
| 03:10.04 | akusarujin | royal_, using a sound blaster with tons of stupid options layed on it |
| 03:10.13 | SDFH_Linux | did not have this problem with kernel 2.6.9 |
| 03:10.16 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: I just use the hard power button on my box :) |
| 03:10.18 | SDFH_Linux | i mean 2.6.8 |
| 03:10.32 | SDFH_Linux | as soon as i went 2.6.9 it showed up |
| 03:10.45 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: You may want to compare your configs. |
| 03:10.54 | SDFH_Linux | now i am waiting to see if it is safe to put 2.6.10 with nvidia driver |
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| 03:11.06 | mick_laptop | can someone twll me how i can view HTTPS headers (wget -S doesn't support SSL) |
| 03:11.08 | xam | !resiak |
| 03:11.08 | dpkg | i heard resiak is a fembot |
| 03:11.15 | SDFH_Linux | any word when the final sarge is going to come out? |
| 03:11.19 | resiak | !wwsr |
| 03:11.19 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 03:11.20 | bob2 | SDFH_Linux: no |
| 03:11.31 | bedboi | the fact is that it seems that in sid there's nfsv2...which is rather strange |
| 03:11.36 | mousex | xam: mozilla seems "less" broken now. |
| 03:11.41 | SDFH_Linux | any word on amd64 version of debian is coming out? |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | i think they secretly decided not to release sarge .. and instead repackage Longhorn for the community |
| 03:11.46 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: After Sarge releases. |
| 03:11.50 | SDFH_Linux | ah |
| 03:11.53 | SDFH_Linux | good news |
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| 03:11.59 | akusarujin | wtf is "SIYH"? |
| 03:12.01 | WiFiTux | can someone change the debian bsd url to this one? http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 03:12.02 | raven | hey, any of you know when netinstall images with kernel 2.6.10 might be available or how to make a custom netinstall CD? |
| 03:12.03 | SDFH_Linux | waiting for that to go amd64 |
| 03:12.18 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have a amd64? |
| 03:12.19 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 03:12.19 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 03:12.20 | SDFH_Linux | here |
| 03:12.22 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: ^^ |
| 03:12.22 | akusarujin | `siyh |
| 03:12.29 | SDFH_Linux | which one you got? |
| 03:12.30 | mwilson | raven: As soon as you make one. |
| 03:12.35 | resiak | WiFiTux: You can do it. |
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| 03:12.52 | Xemacs__ | raven, jogo can make custom cds |
| 03:12.54 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 03:12.57 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:12.58 | Xemacs__ | jidgo |
| 03:13.09 | SDFH_Linux | has anyone tried xfce 4.2? |
| 03:13.10 | raven | mwilson: i tried that, and didn't work. ;( |
| 03:13.31 | mwilson | Then I guess you're out of luck. |
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| 03:13.33 | mousex | xam: see you around! |
| 03:13.48 | WiFiTux | resiak, I'm not interested in screwing dpkg. |
| 03:14.06 | vortex | sorry this might be a dumb question but what's the command to get back up the list of mirror like during initial setup? |
| 03:14.18 | mick_laptop | aaah i got it |
| 03:14.19 | xam | mousex: someone has made patches for mozilla on hppa, but AFAIK they haven't been applied to the debian packages of mozilla yet |
| 03:14.21 | raven | xemacs__: jogo? |
| 03:14.21 | mick_laptop | nm |
| 03:14.26 | mick_laptop | thanks anyways :) |
| 03:14.37 | doub | vortex: apt-setup |
| 03:14.37 | bedboi | it's really insane debian sid doesn't have nfsv3 support |
| 03:14.39 | mwilson | Ugh. Been there, done that, not gonna run Linux on hppa. |
| 03:14.42 | vortex | thanks |
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| 03:14.50 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: yeah, I've been using it for months. |
| 03:14.51 | vortex | that does make sense command wise lol |
| 03:14.52 | mwilson | bedboi: Where did you get the idea that it didn't. |
| 03:14.57 | bob2 | bedboi: I'm pretty sure it does. |
| 03:15.01 | SDFH_Linux | how is it Guerin? |
| 03:15.02 | resiak | WiFiTux: Which URL is wrong? |
| 03:15.03 | bedboi | dpkg -l | grep "nfs" |
| 03:15.05 | dpkg | grep "nfs" |
| 03:15.05 | SDFH_Linux | is it faster than gnome? |
| 03:15.09 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: great. |
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| 03:15.18 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: everything is faster than gnome. |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | !info nfs-common sid |
| 03:15.21 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:15.23 | doub | bedboi: woody has it |
| 03:15.25 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 03:15.26 | dpkg | nfs-common: (NFS support files common to client and server), section net, is standard. Version: 1:1.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 03:15.28 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: Except KDE. |
| 03:15.28 | SDFH_Linux | good one |
| 03:15.30 | npx | that's not true |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | uh |
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| 03:15.36 | Guerin | no, kde is even faster than gnome |
| 03:15.37 | abrotman | !info nfs-server |
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| 03:15.42 | abrotman | Guerin: you lie! |
| 03:15.46 | bob2 | abrotman: it's a kernel thing, not a package thing |
| 03:15.49 | SDFH_Linux | how about icwm |
| 03:15.56 | npx | kde is pretty damn fast |
| 03:15.56 | bedboi | doub: ii nfs-user-serve 2.2beta47-20 User space NFS server |
| 03:15.57 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: For smeg's sake, try them out! :) |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | bob2: oh .. that will teach me .. |
| 03:16.01 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 03:16.02 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:16.10 | Guerin | abrotman: until you've used both on a p2-233 with 128mb, you don't get to opine :) |
| 03:16.11 | bob2 | bedboi: indeed, the user space nfs server does suck |
| 03:16.12 | npx | if your box can run doom 3, it will run KDE 3.3.x ass kickingly |
| 03:16.13 | abrotman | bob2: so those packages are worthless? |
| 03:16.16 | raven | from what I understand, those make CD scripts just download stuff that's on one of the debian mirrors and makes an ISO localy. However, I need the 2.6.10 kernel in the boot CD, and none of the mirrors will have that. Any idea of how to go about makeing a CD like that, with or without those debian-cd scripts? |
| 03:16.18 | Jay | does apt-get have the same packages across all architectures? I mean, does debian amd64 have every package that's available for i386, but compiled for amd64, for example? |
| 03:16.18 | doub | bedboi: with the kernel server, works fine here |
| 03:16.18 | Xenguy | SDFH_Linux: all wm's are faster than dm's ;-) |
| 03:16.22 | abrotman | Guerin: i've got more sense than that :) |
| 03:16.30 | bob2 | abrotman: nfs-user-server is the user version of it, which is kinda shit |
| 03:16.32 | abrotman | Jay: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 03:16.33 | bob2 | Jay: mostly |
| 03:16.34 | mwilson | Jay: No. |
| 03:16.37 | Jay | I was never clear on that part of the multi-arch thing |
| 03:16.38 | resiak | Jay: If amd64 was supported, then yes. Otherwise, no.; |
| 03:16.48 | Jay | haha |
| 03:16.58 | Jay | well, I was just making an example, guess I picked a bad one |
| 03:17.00 | bedboi | doub: so no user space... |
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| 03:17.13 | xam | Jay: not every package, but most packages |
| 03:17.14 | Guerin | oh hurrah, I get to go and write a test now |
| 03:17.15 | resiak | Jay: The idea is supposed to be that yes. |
| 03:17.15 | bedboi | doub: i have to compile it in the kernel |
| 03:17.17 | Guerin | 120 questions |
| 03:17.18 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, kde is too slow |
| 03:17.19 | resiak | Guerin: What breed of test? |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | Jay: the answer is still no .. not all packages build on all arches |
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| 03:17.40 | Xenguy | Guerin: tell them you need an IRC connection to do the test! |
| 03:17.43 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 03:17.44 | Guerin | resiak: oral test; elementary -> advanced, for level testing |
| 03:17.48 | skyisblue | WiFiTux: what wm do you use? |
| 03:17.48 | Jay | but you can at least use the i386 ones so you can get the app, it just might not be optimized for you? |
| 03:17.53 | Guerin | Xenguy: i'm at home. I have today off. |
| 03:17.58 | resiak | Guerin: Mmm. |
| 03:17.58 | WiFiTux | skyisblue, gnome |
| 03:18.00 | ed_ | is there a virt package that will install the suite of program needed to build a kernel |
| 03:18.07 | skyisblue | ha |
| 03:18.07 | doub | bedboi: if that's not part of any available kernel, then yes (mine is hand-compiled because of missing drivers in woody's) |
| 03:18.09 | Guerin | Xenguy: but I've been procrastinating this one for about a week |
| 03:18.10 | npx | ed_ build-essential |
| 03:18.29 | ed_ | npx thank - its been a LONG time since I had to reinstall... |
| 03:18.32 | abrotman | resiak: that's ok .. perfdave doesn't get it either :) |
| 03:18.39 | npx | ed_ lucky bastard |
| 03:18.45 | bedboi | doub: yep, no problem. i never use packaged kernels |
| 03:18.50 | bedboi | they sucks a lot |
| 03:18.58 | Guerin | bedboi: bullshit. |
| 03:19.01 | ed_ | npx carefull bastard too |
| 03:19.06 | abrotman | bedboi: ignorance kills |
| 03:19.06 | bedboi | yep they do |
| 03:19.21 | bob2 | lordy |
| 03:19.21 | Guerin | bedboi: in what way? |
| 03:19.23 | npx | waiting 3 seconds for an initrd to load when I boot pisses me off |
| 03:19.23 | bedboi | it takes 3 minutes to boot debian kernel on my laptop (2.6.9) |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | bedboi: now .. why is that? |
| 03:19.32 | bob2 | install grepmap |
| 03:19.35 | bob2 | and/or disable hotplug |
| 03:19.43 | WiFiTux | resiak, gdm! If I have gnome, i use the Gnome Display manager! |
| 03:19.46 | npx | that's the only disadvantage I see to a debian kernel |
| 03:19.47 | npx | but then, I reboot pretty often |
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| 03:19.53 | Guerin | bedboi: don't blame the kernel for your inability to specialise your configuration. |
| 03:19.53 | abrotman | bedboi: maybe because discover loads more drivers? |
| 03:20.04 | npx | bob2, grepmap? |
| 03:20.13 | skyisblue | htg |
| 03:20.13 | Guerin | !info grepmap |
| 03:20.23 | resiak | WiFiTux: GDM is not a WM. |
| 03:20.24 | npx | bob2 (apt-cache search grepmap returns nothing on this machine...) |
| 03:20.28 | bob2 | maybe it's only in ubuntu |
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| 03:20.38 | npx | =/ |
| 03:20.38 | bob2 | it's a C reimplementation of a slow part of hotplug |
| 03:20.42 | WiFiTux | bedboi, that is the reasson I make my own kernels and if possible use 2,4 |
| 03:20.43 | npx | ahh, okay |
| 03:20.49 | bob2 | it's going into the next hotplug upstream release anyway |
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| 03:20.56 | WiFiTux | resiak, then what is a WM? nautilus? |
| 03:20.59 | npx | bob2, do you use hotplug? |
| 03:21.02 | abrotman | WiFiTux: no |
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| 03:21.06 | resiak | WiFiTux: metacity. |
| 03:21.07 | bob2 | it's part of why my laptoip boots to gdm in 40 seconds with a default kernel |
| 03:21.10 | Guerin | WiFiTux: no. |
| 03:21.12 | bob2 | npx: sure |
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| 03:21.24 | resiak | WiFiTux: sawfish. xfwm4. ratpoison. kwm. |
| 03:21.25 | travisat | WiFiTux : fvwm |
| 03:21.25 | WiFiTux | resiak, who cares about that crap. I was never asked by apt-get |
| 03:21.40 | resiak | WiFiTux: I'm exercising my pendantic instincts :p |
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| 03:21.56 | resiak | WiFiTux: Just call Gnome a DE, and I will not get angry :p |
| 03:21.56 | Guerin | it's not pedantry; it's correctness. Correctness is important. |
| 03:22.08 | npx | my favorite standalone wm is fluxbox, in conjunction with rox-filer |
| 03:22.16 | npx | on < 1ghz machines it runs shit |
| 03:22.18 | bob2 | hm, no email love today |
| 03:22.22 | npx | Guerin dude give that back! |
| 03:22.34 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I already have that, so I'm still wining. |
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| 03:22.55 | Guerin | WiFiTux: you clearly haven't seen LS&2SB |
| 03:23.16 | WiFiTux | !LS&2SB |
| 03:23.20 | npx | Did anyone else notice that snatch was the same damn movie as LS&2SB? |
| 03:23.21 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 03:23.39 | WiFiTux | Guerin, what's that? |
| 03:23.43 | Guerin | npx: different movie. Same concept. |
| 03:23.44 | abrotman | lock stock and two smoking barrels |
| 03:23.58 | resiak | WiFiTux: Your cock is prosthetic? |
| 03:24.02 | resiak | !lose WiFiTux |
| 03:24.03 | dpkg | WiFiTux: You Lose. |
| 03:24.08 | Guerin | WiFiTux: in which someone gets beaten to death with a 15" black rubber cock, iirc. |
| 03:24.12 | resiak | dpkg, your lose factoids fucking suck. |
| 03:24.12 | dpkg | resiak: i don't know |
| 03:24.14 | npx | I felt sorta jewed |
| 03:24.24 | resiak | npx: You feel what now? |
| 03:24.26 | Guerin | npx: wtf is jewed? |
| 03:24.29 | WiFiTux | resiak, right |
| 03:24.50 | WiFiTux | dpkg, say resiak You are the one sucking 15" rubber cocks. |
| 03:24.50 | dpkg | resiak You are the one sucking 15" rubber cocks. |
| 03:24.57 | npx | to be jewed is to be misled into purchasing a product for too much or into selling one for too little |
| 03:24.59 | bob2 | enough dudes |
| 03:25.20 | WiFiTux | bob2, yeah, whenever I say something I get nailed :| |
| 03:25.31 | npx | It sorta sounds like an anti-semitic comment, but really, it's sorta flattering to jews |
| 03:25.34 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:25.42 | npx | they're some hard-nosed (forgive the pun) negotiating bastards |
| 03:25.51 | Guerin | npx: i think you'd have a hard time demonstrating that. |
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| 03:26.15 | abrotman | npx: not always |
| 03:26.22 | npx | Yeah, of course that's a generalization |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | npx: it can also mean getting a good deal .. not because you don't have the money .. but because you're a cheap bastard |
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| 03:26.51 | npx | Yeah that's 'to jew someone' |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 03:27.06 | Guerin | i can't believe you fuckers say that shit |
| 03:27.17 | bob2 | me either |
| 03:27.22 | Xenguy | npx: this is racist/ethnocentric shit -- please stop |
| 03:27.32 | npx | hahaha |
| 03:27.46 | npx | you guys are nuts =D |
| 03:27.47 | Guerin | I suppose when you break into someone's car and make them drive you to the ATM, you use the verb to nigger... |
| 03:27.48 | abrotman | Guerin: say what shit? |
| 03:27.52 | resiak | Guerin: Hahah. |
| 03:27.58 | xam | npx: /nick Prince_Harry ;) |
| 03:28.06 | Guerin | !xam++ |
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| 03:28.10 | bob2 | enough. |
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| 03:28.22 | abrotman | Guerin: well .. it was funny when i was growing up because i was raised jewish i guess .. the only one of all my friends |
| 03:28.24 | Willis | thanks |
| 03:28.24 | resiak | At this point in time, I could accurately use the phrase "lol", but I ph33r !lol |
| 03:28.51 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you are jewish? |
| 03:28.55 | Guerin | bob2: sorry. |
| 03:28.58 | abrotman | WiFiTux: not currently :) |
| 03:29.00 | Aurora | alexander tait brotman |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | Aurora: so what? |
| 03:29.08 | npx | yeah I wasn't expecting everyone to get up in arms |
| 03:29.12 | Aurora | i dunno |
| 03:29.14 | npx | though I probably should've |
| 03:29.15 | bob2 | see |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | Aurora: what does that mean? |
| 03:29.25 | bob2 | I'm never the target of those stereotypes, but I'm still offended |
| 03:29.26 | Aurora | you shouldnt put your full name in your client you twat |
| 03:29.28 | Aurora | heh |
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| 03:29.37 | abrotman | Aurora: why not .. you twat? |
| 03:29.48 | Aurora | because if i wanted i could goto pa and kill you and your family |
| 03:29.49 | Guerin | bob2: yeah |
| 03:29.51 | abrotman | Aurora: there's not a darn thing wrong with my name |
| 03:29.57 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ah, ok. I don't see it as a problem. Only fun they make about them is about them not wasting money I guess. Jewish are really organized and more joineed I think. |
| 03:29.57 | Aurora | youre a moron |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | Aurora: be my guest .. they don't live here you twat |
| 03:30.00 | bob2 | oh, come on |
| 03:30.02 | npx | Aurora I'm Alex Caudill... good luck =) |
| 03:30.02 | Aurora | i never said anythingw as wrong with it |
| 03:30.05 | smacnay | Is it common for writing to /var/run/utmp to fail? Might a process have been stopped that administered this? |
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| 03:30.50 | Xenguy | npx: troll *sigh* |
| 03:30.55 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
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| 03:30.58 | abrotman | Aurora: you're .. seriously .. disturbed |
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| 03:31.21 | Guerin | like man ... shit. |
| 03:31.24 | WiFiTux | that was sick, |
| 03:31.29 | npx | I'm sorry =( |
| 03:31.32 | abrotman | Guerin: bigger than bunneh shit :) |
| 03:31.36 | npx | I seem to bring out the worst in people |
| 03:31.41 | bob2 | so, lets just stay on-topic for a bit |
| 03:31.43 | Guerin | WiFiTux: given your previous statements on the topic, I think you should STFU. |
| 03:31.51 | resiak | npx: Well, if you use the word "jew" in normal speech... |
| 03:31.56 | resiak | (as a verb) |
| 03:32.03 | bob2 | ENOUGH |
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| 03:32.06 | npx | hahahaha |
| 03:32.17 | bob2 | guess how many more warnings I'm giving? |
| 03:32.23 | npx | bob2, hugs |
| 03:32.26 | swatikiss | i am having problems installing programs with apt-get "halted because there were too many errors"... |
| 03:32.29 | WiFiTux | Guerin, say what? I was never part of this topic. I only spoke with abrotman. end of talking. |
| 03:32.29 | abrotman | bob2: two and a half? |
| 03:32.37 | WiFiTux | !group hug |
| 03:32.40 | smacnay | wtf is going on in here? death threats? Wow, who needs Sunday afternoon football - just come on into irc.freenode.net in the #debian channel and watch the fun! |
| 03:32.41 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 03:32.43 | abrotman | !hug |
| 03:32.50 | bob2 | swatikiss: paste the whole error to #flood |
| 03:33.00 | npx | smacnay shit yeah |
| 03:33.01 | smacnay | Sorry that had to happen in here. I am glad Aurora left. |
| 03:33.01 | swatikiss | bob2 k -one sec |
| 03:33.02 | bob2 | smacnay: IRC brings out the fucktard in people for some reason |
| 03:33.20 | npx | Whatever happened to the paster thingy? |
| 03:33.29 | xam | npx: I wonder what your friends are like |
| 03:33.42 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:33.42 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 03:33.48 | WiFiTux | xam, we already stopped. |
| 03:33.59 | npx | yeah, get with the program |
| 03:34.00 | doub | bob2: that's part of the magic of the internet |
| 03:34.05 | npx | I really don't see why you feel the need to insult me |
| 03:34.11 | npx | I made it pretty clear that I'm not anti-semitic |
| 03:34.26 | xam | WiFiTux can't I even ask a 'normal' question? |
| 03:34.35 | bob2 | doub: IRC is about on the level with web forums, which is odd |
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| 03:34.44 | WiFiTux | xam, :| |
| 03:34.48 | bob2 | even on tech lists, even on *debian* tech lists people aren't this randomly abusive |
| 03:34.55 | bob2 | xam: is it about Debian? |
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| 03:35.09 | xam | WiFiTux well, this channel isn't was it used to be ... see you |
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| 03:35.24 | WiFiTux | ohh poor xam |
| 03:35.32 | npx | was it a forum for unmitigated personal attacks at some point in the past? |
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| 03:35.37 | maku | hello all |
| 03:35.38 | npx | why am I *always* the last to know?! |
| 03:35.38 | bob2 | lordy |
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| 03:35.53 | profchaos | hi everyone |
| 03:35.53 | cat | how can i put volume to an application if im using my sound card with xmms? |
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| 03:35.58 | SDFH_Linux | ok nvidia driver works with 2.6.10 no problem |
| 03:36.05 | npx | cat, ...huh? |
| 03:36.07 | WiFiTux | !tequilame WiFiTux |
| 03:36.11 | doub | bob2: this one is part of IRC's magic, i bet |
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| 03:36.13 | profchaos | can anyone help me get my usb mouse to work? |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | npx: esd/alsa/arts .. share the sound card |
| 03:36.28 | loke | im so frustrated, i cant figure it out, i installed postfix and i can receive remote mail but cannot get remote mail that has been sent to me? |
| 03:36.32 | bob2 | cat: you can't do it per-application, sorry |
| 03:36.37 | cat | yeah like if i want to used my sound card... with an application im using it already with xmms so i want to used it again |
| 03:36.37 | WiFiTux | profchaos, sure, BTW 2.6.9 makes it easier. |
| 03:36.42 | bob2 | loke: 'cannot get remote mail'? |
| 03:36.43 | maku | Many KDE apps i installed are failing with this message : krawlsite: error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:36.48 | resiak | !vodka resiak |
| 03:36.55 | npx | abrotman, yeah, I still don't understand his question though |
| 03:36.56 | maku | what is libXinerama? |
| 03:36.57 | bob2 | cat: ah, you need to make xmms and the other application use a sound daemon |
| 03:37.04 | profchaos | so i should update my kernel from 2.4.9? |
| 03:37.10 | npx | maku, the library that provides Xinerama functions |
| 03:37.11 | cat | how can i do that? |
| 03:37.12 | abrotman | npx: he wants to use something like ESD to share the sound card .. i think |
| 03:37.20 | abrotman | npx: and he does't know know what he wants :) |
| 03:37.23 | maku | npx, which package do i need? |
| 03:37.35 | npx | maku, iirc it's included with Xserver-XFree86 |
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| 03:37.51 | WiFiTux | profchaos, say what? no. 2.6.9 makes it easy. But what do you currently have? |
| 03:37.52 | resiak | Alternatively, cat wants ALSA and dmix. |
| 03:37.59 | bob2 | right |
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| 03:38.04 | cat | how can i do that bob2 ? |
| 03:38.05 | maku | npx, lol, but that is installd if XServer is installd, isnt it? |
| 03:38.09 | npx | maku, or rather, in xlibs which is, of course, a dependency - you need to load the Xinerama module in XF86Config-4 though |
| 03:38.15 | profchaos | my kernel is 2.4.9 i think... whatever comes default with 3.0 r4 |
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| 03:38.26 | npx | maku, mmhmm |
| 03:38.28 | loke_ | bob2, i cant send mail, but i can receive? ive been messing with this allday |
| 03:38.28 | maku | npx, ohh |
| 03:38.44 | resiak | !tell profchaos -about real kernel |
| 03:38.44 | WiFiTux | profchaos, ok, USB mouse has of couse been worked a lot. and yes, might need to update the kernel, else... |
| 03:38.50 | WiFiTux | !listkeys usb mouse |
| 03:38.51 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'usb mouse' by key (2 shown): usb mouse test ;; usb mouse. |
| 03:39.00 | swatikiss | bob2, ok, ive pasted the complete error in #flood |
| 03:39.07 | WiFiTux | !tell profchaos about usb mouse |
| 03:39.14 | cat | bob2: how can i do that ? please help me |
| 03:39.18 | maku | npx, so shall i enable it from XF86Config file? |
| 03:39.28 | bob2 | loke_: you said the opposite a minute ago |
| 03:39.31 | resiak | cat: Are you using a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:39.41 | cat | 2.4 |
| 03:39.42 | WiFiTux | !tell profchaos about usbmouse |
| 03:39.49 | npx | maku, yeah, in the Modules section put Load "Xinerama" I think |
| 03:39.50 | loke_ | bob2 im tired |
| 03:39.56 | loke_ | bob2 any ideas? |
| 03:39.57 | npx | maku, what are you trying to accomplish, anyways? |
| 03:40.05 | loke_ | bob2 i can receive mail, but cannot send |
| 03:40.12 | bob2 | loke_: can you send it over localhost? |
| 03:40.21 | WiFiTux | loke, you need to remove tha authentication on your e-mail client. |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | #postfix ? |
| 03:40.24 | bob2 | cat: getting alsa going on 2.4 is a bit of a pain in the arse |
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| 03:40.33 | loke_ | bob2 WiFiTux ok |
| 03:40.33 | cat | darn it, |
| 03:40.35 | cat | ok thnx |
| 03:40.37 | bob2 | WiFiTux: it sounds very much like you're jumping to a massive conclusion there |
| 03:40.38 | maku | npx, just running simple apps gives the above error... like krawlsite, konverter, etc |
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| 03:40.48 | resiak | cat: It might be worth getting a 2.6 kernel. ALSA is A Good Thingâ„¢. |
| 03:40.56 | bob2 | cat: if you're using a Debian kernel, then you can just install alsa-modules-`uname -r` |
| 03:41.01 | WiFiTux | bob2, I go over conclusion with the problems I have had before, |
| 03:41.08 | spoofer | Hi all, I want to buy |
| 03:41.08 | npx | maku, that's strange - are you using official X package? |
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| 03:41.23 | maku | npx, yup, whatever came with my cd |
| 03:41.32 | npx | maku, woody? |
| 03:41.40 | loke_ | bob2 i dont understat send it over localhost? |
| 03:41.51 | maku | npx, Kalango Linux, Debian derivative, Kde3.3.1 |
| 03:42.01 | bob2 | loke_: 'echo This is a test | mail yourusername@localhost -stest' |
| 03:42.06 | npx | maku, Ahh, you might try asking your question in #kalango |
| 03:42.08 | mvhurja | how i can start ssh for remote connections ? |
| 03:42.11 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 03:42.11 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 03:42.14 | maku | npx, :-) |
| 03:42.15 | SDFH_Linux | what package do i need to see chinese text in all of debian? |
| 03:42.24 | bob2 | swatikiss: you've got some weird disk corruption |
| 03:42.25 | abrotman | mvhurja: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 03:42.32 | maku | npx, do u have anything related to libXinerama in ur XF86Config? |
| 03:42.37 | shingouz | does someone remember where i can get the source for Thinkpad-modules? i seem to have too much problems using google tonight |
| 03:42.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:42.38 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:42.43 | spoofer | Hi all I would like to buy a webcam for a computer running debian, does anybody which I should buy to be sure that the webcam is going to work? |
| 03:42.46 | bob2 | swatikiss: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/finger.list and go to the end of the last line and hit <enter> and save it |
| 03:42.51 | npx | maku, No, you'd only put load "xinerama" in there if you wanted to configure a dual-head setup |
| 03:42.55 | resiak | abrotman: You're very quick on the !u |
| 03:42.57 | bob2 | shingouz: isn't it on the Debian mirrors? |
| 03:42.58 | doleyb | spoofer: look for a chipset like ov511 |
| 03:43.01 | abrotman | resiak: pet peeve |
| 03:43.08 | npx | maku, and even then I'm not sure about that. Odds are, your distribution has a standalone libXinerama package that you need to install. |
| 03:43.09 | mvhurja | ssh is not fully installed :I |
| 03:43.14 | abrotman | good job |
| 03:43.20 | npx | maku, try their mailing lists and google. |
| 03:43.22 | shingouz | bob2: i need the vanilla version of it as i need to patch the kernel too :( |
| 03:43.23 | resiak | abrotman: I dislike it too, but u must have razor-sharp vision. |
| 03:43.26 | swatikiss | bob2, yeh , i think i do have something wrong with my disk - i ran fsck a couple of days ago and there were a lot of errors |
| 03:43.29 | resiak | abrotman: :-) |
| 03:43.33 | spoofer | doleyb: do you know a few names of manufcturer that are using this chipset? |
| 03:43.37 | npx | maku, if you want support for Debian, I suggest you install it |
| 03:43.37 | bob2 | swatikiss: eep :/ |
| 03:43.39 | maku | npx, but why these apps are failing with "error in loading shared library" message if i'm using just 1 monitor? |
| 03:43.40 | loke_ | bob2 bash: mail: command not found |
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| 03:43.50 | bob2 | loke_: install mailx |
| 03:43.51 | maku | npx, :) |
| 03:43.52 | WiFiTux | abrotman, is like a bot, knowing all the factoids |
| 03:43.53 | npx | maku, because the shared library doesn't exist, probably. |
| 03:43.59 | maku | npx, hmm |
| 03:44.07 | mvhurja | abrotman: any better any idea :) |
| 03:44.08 | WiFiTux | loke, what is your e-mail client? |
| 03:44.13 | spoofer | doleyb: nevermind, I found the site :-) |
| 03:44.15 | maku | npx, ok, thanks anyways, i'll try the help at #kalango |
| 03:44.16 | maku | :) |
| 03:44.21 | npx | np, good luck |
| 03:44.22 | loke_ | WiFiTux evolution |
| 03:44.25 | abrotman | resiak: not funny |
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| 03:44.32 | abrotman | WiFiTux: not me .. others are better |
| 03:44.37 | loke_ | WiFiTux i disabled authentication for sending messages |
| 03:44.39 | mwilson | npx: Amazing how that works, isn't it? |
| 03:44.40 | resiak | abrotman: No, it wasn't. My bad. |
| 03:44.42 | swatikiss | bob2, i have a lot of strange characters in that file - should i delete that stuff ? |
| 03:44.43 | abrotman | resiak: sleep .. your eyes are getting heavy .. sleep |
| 03:44.46 | npx | mwilson I don't follow |
| 03:44.50 | loke_ | bob2 ok done, i did that |
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| 03:44.59 | resiak | abrotman: Will do. |
| 03:45.04 | abrotman | resiak: i'm not buying it yet |
| 03:45.05 | WiFiTux | loke, ok try again. |
| 03:45.19 | abrotman | mvhurja: your system sounds pretty messed u |
| 03:45.20 | abrotman | up |
| 03:45.22 | loke_ | bob2 i received the message |
| 03:45.30 | mvhurja | :D |
| 03:45.36 | resiak | abrotman: I'm not selling. |
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| 03:45.51 | bob2 | loke_: now explain what you want the whole setup to do |
| 03:45.51 | mvhurja | it say now ssh is not fully installed |
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| 03:45.55 | bob2 | swatikiss: oh, crap |
| 03:46.01 | Chass | any debian plans to move to X.org? is there a reason why it should? (i know noting on the matter) |
| 03:46.02 | loke_ | WiFiTux the emails leave my email client, but never make it to the destination |
| 03:46.02 | mvhurja | how i can install that fully then :P |
| 03:46.11 | npx | Chass, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 03:46.15 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:46.18 | loke_ | bob2 i cant send a file to a remote email |
| 03:46.27 | loke_ | bob2 i cant send an email to a remote email |
| 03:46.34 | npx | Chass, long story short: once sarge is released, work on X.org packages will seriously begin |
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| 03:46.43 | Chass | so debian is moving there as well |
| 03:46.44 | Chass | gotcha.. |
| 03:46.44 | FieldySnuts | aka in 2009 |
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| 03:46.53 | bob2 | blah |
| 03:46.55 | Chass | why is X.org better? the only answers i get in #linux are: it feels better.. |
| 03:46.58 | WiFiTux | Chass, if sarge goes out |
| 03:47.16 | loke_ | WiFiTux i removed authentication and its still not working? |
| 03:47.18 | npx | Chass, No lame licensing restrictions, better community, more open development model, etc etc |
| 03:47.18 | Xenguy | Chass: I believe it is mostly a licensing issue(?) |
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| 03:47.28 | haloo | how do i know if CUPS is runnig? |
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| 03:47.38 | npx | and it has the Composite extension...and it feels better =) |
| 03:47.38 | Chass | npx, so from a user (not developer) point of view, there is no immediate difference? |
| 03:47.39 | WiFiTux | loke, have no idea might be your server. try bob2's tisp |
| 03:47.40 | FieldySnuts | simple answer, no lame licensing issues, development that means actual progress and new features. |
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| 03:47.43 | mvhurja | abrotman i just need to start my ssh |
| 03:47.45 | bob2 | oh man |
| 03:47.48 | haloo | ps -ef | grep cupsd |
| 03:47.49 | haloo | ? |
| 03:47.54 | doub | abrotman: an attempt at bad humor, see "< abrotman> mvhurja: your system sounds pretty messed u". let's just forget about it, i'm going to sleep |
| 03:47.54 | bob2 | I'm digging myself into a hole here that will take far too long |
| 03:47.57 | loke_ | bob2 what do you think |
| 03:48.01 | abrotman | doub: o ok |
| 03:48.04 | FieldySnuts | xorg is a lot smaller codewise (things majorly cleaned up), and also is noticably faster |
| 03:48.05 | bob2 | loke_: there could be a triollion things wrong |
| 03:48.08 | haloo | ? |
| 03:48.09 | abrotman | bob2: run .. fast |
| 03:48.12 | bob2 | loke_: have you ever setup a MTA before? |
| 03:48.18 | Xenguy | haloo: or -> ps aux |g cups |
| 03:48.19 | npx | Chass, from a user perspective, windows just seem to move more smoothly, and once apps start to take advantage of Composite it'll usher in a new era in eye candy |
| 03:48.20 | loke_ | bob2 no |
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| 03:48.29 | bob2 | loke_: ok then |
| 03:48.34 | bob2 | loke_: so you're using a smarthost? |
| 03:48.44 | Chass | sarge == unstable? |
| 03:48.47 | npx | I.E. truly transparent console windows and menus, etc etc |
| 03:48.48 | bob2 | woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable |
| 03:48.51 | loke_ | bob2 what should relayhost = in /etc/postfix/main.cf? |
| 03:48.53 | Chass | aaah |
| 03:48.56 | loke_ | bob2 no smarthost |
| 03:48.59 | Xenguy | haloo: er... grep* |
| 03:49.00 | bob2 | loke_: it asked you during configurations |
| 03:49.00 | Chass | thanks. i'm using sarge then |
| 03:49.07 | bob2 | loke_: so you have a static, real ip? |
| 03:49.08 | loke_ | bob2 i dont recall |
| 03:49.13 | loke_ | bob2 no |
| 03:49.18 | loke_ | bob2 dynamic |
| 03:49.19 | bob2 | ie this is colo or business dsl? |
| 03:49.37 | bob2 | loke_: then you need to rerun 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix' and give it a relayhost |
| 03:49.41 | bob2 | man I wish colo was cheaper here |
| 03:49.42 | loke_ | bob2 set relayhost to my router or to my isp's default gateway? |
| 03:49.48 | bbhill | Anyone know who the end boss of supertux is? |
| 03:49.51 | bbhill | is it bill gates!? |
| 03:49.57 | bob2 | loke_: your isp's mail server |
| 03:50.02 | FieldySnuts | bbhill: huh? |
| 03:50.04 | swatikiss | bob2, should i delete the garbled stuff in finger.list ? - i believe that other corruption might be present on my drive ?? |
| 03:50.05 | WiFiTux | bbhill, huh |
| 03:50.08 | bob2 | loke_: they will have told you what it is when you signed up |
| 03:50.13 | bbhill | supertux |
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| 03:50.16 | loke_ | bob2 fuck |
| 03:50.24 | loke_ | bob2 they never told me |
| 03:50.29 | bob2 | swatikiss: if it's full of garbage, I'd suspect you have a lot of other trashsed files, too, sorry |
| 03:50.29 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure they did |
| 03:50.34 | bob2 | loke_: I'm sure they did |
| 03:50.39 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 03:50.42 | bob2 | loke_: but look on their website or call their tech support |
| 03:50.44 | loke_ | bob2 how can i find out? |
| 03:50.53 | bob2 | ask what you should set your smtp server as |
| 03:51.09 | loke_ | ok |
| 03:51.16 | doub | loke_: a quick guess is smtp.<your isp's domain> or mail.<domain> |
| 03:51.20 | loke_ | bob2 you think its on there website? |
| 03:51.26 | bob2 | loke_: probably |
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| 03:51.51 | WiFiTux | loke, else try another account or e-mail server or someting to make sure your config is right. |
| 03:51.53 | kingk | anyone know if there is a channel for Maxima. I can't figure out how to factor |
| 03:52.04 | swatikiss | bob2, well, what should i do about this ? is there a way to fix all of the corruption? should i wipe my hard drive ?? |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | wtf is maxima? |
| 03:52.25 | bob2 | computer algebra |
| 03:52.36 | bob2 | swatikiss: well, it sounds like you need to reinstall, I guess |
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| 03:52.38 | WiFiTux | or the car? |
| 03:52.43 | bob2 | after finding out whatever is broken with your drive |
| 03:52.45 | swatikiss | crap :( |
| 03:53.04 | swatikiss | bob2, how can i see if my hard drive is bad |
| 03:53.24 | cheex | hi folks, I have a kernel question. (let me know if this is not a good place for this question - this is my first time using IRC for support). I'm trying to install nvidia binary drivers (tried with both a package from non-free, and using the nvidia installer), but I get an incredible number of "depmod: unresolved symbol" errors. Incidentally, the same thing happens when I try to install relevant lm-sensors packages for my kernel. That's why I t |
| 03:53.24 | cheex | hink it's a problem with my kernel (or rather, the sources I have). Anybody have any ideas wher to look for help? |
| 03:53.24 | kingk | Maxima is a kick ass mathematical application |
| 03:53.29 | doub | swatikiss: if you see lots of messages like |
| 03:53.33 | loke_ | bob2 so you think thats the problem |
| 03:53.36 | bob2 | swatikiss: well, it ate your disk |
| 03:53.39 | brooks | guys: debian apache-ssl would not start if i put a virtual host listening on port 80. googling does not help either. any tips? |
| 03:53.40 | loke_ | bob2 i set the relayhost wrong? |
| 03:53.41 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 03:53.42 | cheex | I don't need a solution, exactly - I just don't know where to start looking for documentation for something like this. |
| 03:53.47 | bob2 | loke_: I don't know, but your MTA is not going to work at all unti lyou configure it correctly |
| 03:53.47 | doub | swatikiss: "{ Driveready Seekcomplete ... } |
| 03:54.05 | loke_ | bob2 so relayhost = my isps mail server? |
| 03:54.15 | bob2 | cheex: you are using the debian kernel-image kernels, right? |
| 03:54.19 | doub | swatikiss: then chances are your disk is physically corrupt (or there's a bug in your disk controller driver) |
| 03:54.19 | haloo | hey i need some help trying to get a lexmark v603 runnig i already have the driver and i think cupsd is runnig |
| 03:54.22 | bob2 | loke_: your isp's *outgoing* mail server, yes |
| 03:54.22 | cheex | yes, I am, bob2. |
| 03:54.22 | haloo | root 1261 1 0 02:47 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd |
| 03:54.22 | haloo | root 20691 20651 0 06:49 pts/2 00:00:00 grep cupsd |
| 03:54.31 | npx | doub, that's my cue to start cursing uncontrollably |
| 03:54.32 | bob2 | loke_: (I'm not being pedantic, they can differ) |
| 03:54.46 | loke_ | bob2 pedantic? |
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| 03:54.49 | john | Where can I find a ISO link for the newest, STABLE, version of debian? |
| 03:54.57 | bob2 | nevermind |
| 03:55.00 | npx | john, debian.org ? |
| 03:55.01 | kingk | debian.org |
| 03:55.08 | bob2 | john: cdimage.debian.org |
| 03:55.11 | Xenguy | loke_: dict pedantic |
| 03:55.18 | swatikiss | i thought that this ext3 fs would prevent stuff like this - would another fs be able to prevent corruption / allow correction ? |
| 03:55.18 | loke_ | bob2 slacker:/home/loke# host -t MX cox.net |
| 03:55.20 | loke_ | cox.net mail is handled by 100 mx.west.cox.net. |
| 03:55.20 | loke_ | cox.net mail is handled by 100 mx.east.cox.net. |
| 03:55.25 | Chass | cheex, try in #nvidia. i got it working. find out which kernel versio you are using, and install the headers (or source) for that kernel version |
| 03:55.26 | john | okay thanks |
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| 03:55.37 | bob2 | loke_: dude, as I said, they can differ |
| 03:55.38 | abrotman | john: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/images/3.0_r4/ |
| 03:55.42 | shingouz | haloo: you can configure cups on http:/localhost:631 |
| 03:55.48 | cheex | chass: I tried to do that, but I still got many unresolved symbols. It acted as though the sources weren't installed. But I'll try the nvidia channel. |
| 03:55.49 | haloo | bob2: can u help me out with my printer |
| 03:55.50 | brooks | removing the virtual host on the httpd.conf for debian-ssl, it works fine afterwards. |
| 03:55.51 | doub | npx: huh? |
| 03:55.56 | shingouz | http://localhost:631 that is |
| 03:56.01 | WiFiTux | haloo, linuxprinting.org |
| 03:56.05 | npx | doub, seekcomplete errors = angst |
| 03:56.07 | haloo | shingouz: how |
| 03:56.21 | shingouz | haloo: did you even try the url? |
| 03:56.32 | Chass | cheex, oh wait, yes i had that problem as well. try compiling from source |
| 03:56.39 | haloo | shingouz: ok wait |
| 03:56.41 | Chass | i got mine from the nvidia website |
| 03:56.46 | cheex | chass: compiling the kernel or the nvidia driver from source? |
| 03:56.55 | Chass | nvidia driver |
| 03:57.00 | Chass | i compile my own kernel, but thats a different story |
| 03:57.14 | bob2 | loke_: they're your outgoing mailservers, you need the incoming ones |
| 03:57.16 | Chass | it'll have a script to do it for you |
| 03:57.22 | npx | cheex, yeah, when it asks if you want to use or look for a pre-compiled module, say no |
| 03:57.26 | cheex | chass: so you're suggesting I *not* use the nvidia binary driver, but try to find the source for it (I thought it was closed-source) |
| 03:57.31 | WiFiTux | Chass, you compile your own and you are having troule with the driver? did you try the one on apt-get? |
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| 03:57.40 | loke_ | bob2 http://usercenter.cox.net/rsuite/sdcuser/default.jsp |
| 03:57.42 | Chass | WiFiTux, i'm not having problems |
| 03:57.48 | npx | cheex, if you're using a debian kernel, you need to have kernel-headers-$(uname -r) installed |
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| 03:57.53 | Chass | cheex, i downloaded the source from nvidia |
| 03:58.01 | bob2 | loke_: ok |
| 03:58.02 | cheex | npx: I do, but it "acts" as though it isn't |
| 03:58.05 | WiFiTux | Chass, :| |
| 03:58.06 | cheex | chass: okay, I'll try that. |
| 03:58.09 | haloo | shingouz: do i need to install the driver of the printer first, then setup cups? |
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| 03:58.12 | Mubac | Anyone now where I download the debian dvd image? |
| 03:58.12 | loke_ | bob2 so set relayhost = pop.west.cox.net or smtp.west.cox.net? |
| 03:58.18 | Chass | WiFiTux, i'm trying to help cheex :) |
| 03:58.18 | bob2 | loke_: come on man |
| 03:58.20 | bob2 | loke_: smtp |
| 03:58.22 | abrotman | Mubac: cdimage.debian.org |
| 03:58.32 | Mubac | thank |
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| 03:58.33 | Xenguy | haloo: see linuxprinting.org |
| 03:58.45 | loke_ | bob2 im just totally hatin email at this moment |
| 03:59.11 | vortex | hey anyone know where I can find discriptions for what each of the 13 CD's are? |
| 03:59.15 | npx | cheex, okay, you need to run sh NVIDIA-installer --kernel-include-path=kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 03:59.18 | cheex | npx: I should also point out that uname -r is 2.4.27-1-386, but the only source package is for 2.4.27 |
| 03:59.21 | WiFiTux | loke, start from scratch and get all the info. |
| 03:59.25 | shingouz | haloo: on the localhost:631 i think it was add printer. shouldnt be too hard, the configuration page is pretty much intuitive |
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| 03:59.34 | Xenguy | vortex: do you have a highspeed net connection? |
| 03:59.37 | loke_ | WiFiTux nah, im almost there |
| 03:59.38 | vortex | yes |
| 03:59.42 | bob2 | vortex: they're all packages |
| 03:59.43 | npx | cheex, you should start by getting a kernel optimized for your hardware |
| 03:59.43 | abrotman | vortex: yes .. ask greycat |
| 03:59.54 | doub | npx: yep. although since i started working in , i've become quite detached |
| 03:59.55 | loke_ | oh, shit nooka |
| 03:59.56 | mvhurja | can someone pls tell me hoq i can start ssh in my debian machine ? |
| 04:00.00 | npx | cheex, I.E. 2.6.9-1-k7 for Athlon processors |
| 04:00.00 | Chass | cheex, do what he said, or make a link in your src dir |
| 04:00.00 | loke_ | bob2 WiFiTux it worked |
| 04:00.01 | Xenguy | vortex: then you need the 1st ISO/CD -- that's it :-) |
| 04:00.06 | loke_ | bob2 WiFiTux thank you |
| 04:00.07 | abrotman | vortex: oh wait .. tha'ts for woody .. not sarge |
| 04:00.08 | Chass | mvhurja, ssh? sshd? |
| 04:00.10 | doub | npx: ... about computer troubles |
| 04:00.15 | bob2 | mvhurja: install the ssh package. the daemon will start. |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | vortex: you have broadband? |
| 04:00.24 | vortex | yes |
| 04:00.27 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 04:00.27 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:00.28 | mvhurja | ssh for remote connection |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | use the 110 MB image |
| 04:00.39 | npx | doub, yeah, I've only seen that error on drives of my own or of my immediate family |
| 04:00.42 | abrotman | bob2: he screwed up his whole machine somehow |
| 04:00.44 | npx | and it's inevitably a pain in the ass |
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| 04:00.55 | WiFiTux | vortex, the other cds simply contain more packages, but you can use apt-get and download what you need. |
| 04:01.03 | profchaos | hmmm, apt-get can't find a 2.6 kernel... the latest i can use is 2.4.18 |
| 04:01.03 | shingouz | mvhurja: man ssh (basically like telnet: ssh <location>) |
| 04:01.18 | mvhurja | i made apt-get install ssh |
| 04:01.18 | vortex | I am using netinst but I would like to know what's on the others so I can have a offline copy for when I don't have HS |
| 04:01.21 | abrotman | bob2: he can't even 'dpkg-reconfigure ssh' |
| 04:01.25 | mvhurja | now its installin :d |
| 04:01.25 | WiFiTux | profchaos, you have the woody sources. |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | or coudln't before |
| 04:01.37 | cheex | npx,chass: I've just installed kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386. I'm now going to try to rerun the nvidia installer, using that --kernel-include-path switch. I'll probably return in a few minutes. Thanks a lot! |
| 04:01.43 | profchaos | WiFiTux how do i update it? |
| 04:01.45 | vortex | ok anyways thanks |
| 04:01.48 | npx | cheex, good luck |
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| 04:02.00 | WiFiTux | profchaos, do you really want to move to unstable? |
| 04:02.12 | profchaos | i just want my usb mouse to work |
| 04:02.12 | abrotman | it's 11pm . and the person downstairs if vacuuming |
| 04:02.18 | mvhurja | now its working! :) |
| 04:02.27 | WiFiTux | profchaos, i already gave your some web links. |
| 04:02.37 | profchaos | abrotman, jump up and down on the floor |
| 04:02.41 | doub | npx: shure it is |
| 04:02.42 | Xenguy | abrotman: convince them you're a satanist -- they'll stop ;-) |
| 04:02.48 | abrotman | profchaos: it's my landlord? |
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| 04:02.53 | Narg | what line would I put in my pkg source list for my hd? (so I can use .debs after dling em.) |
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| 04:03.06 | profchaos | WiFiTux, ok, i'll go through that stuff... i just thought updating to 2.6 would be easy |
| 04:03.07 | raid5 | hey deadcat |
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| 04:03.16 | profchaos | abrotman, well i guess that wouldn't be a good idea |
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| 04:03.25 | Fluten | when i try to mount a drive, it says: |
| 04:03.31 | WiFiTux | profchaos, it is, but you need to download probaly like 200MB |
| 04:03.32 | abrotman | profchaos: nah .. and the dogs are loud too :) |
| 04:03.38 | Fluten | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems |
| 04:03.49 | Fluten | does this mean that the drive is bad, or the partition is corrupted? |
| 04:03.52 | bob2 | loke_: cool |
| 04:04.01 | loke_ | bob2 thank you |
| 04:04.05 | bob2 | loke_: np |
| 04:04.13 | loke_ | bob2 all it was, was relayhost |
| 04:05.51 | zignig | abrotman: I got 5ac , but we're in bush fire season. |
| 04:06.09 | abrotman | zignig: Armor Class? |
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| 04:06.26 | npx | -20 |
| 04:06.31 | zignig | abrotman: acres |
| 04:06.32 | profchaos | w00t, got the mouse working... thanks for the info WiFiTux |
| 04:06.36 | abrotman | zignig: oh |
| 04:06.38 | npx | same as my nice value |
| 04:06.58 | profchaos | but how do i update the package list for apt-get? |
| 04:07.02 | abrotman | apt-get update |
| 04:07.10 | profchaos | duh |
| 04:07.13 | profchaos | thanks |
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| 04:09.22 | profchaos | ummm, it still doesn't show 2.6 kernels, what else needs to be done? |
| 04:10.21 | The_Vulture | profchaos: are you using woody? |
| 04:10.40 | cheex | hi folks. I'm back. Now, the nvidia driver installer said it failed trying to compile a gcc version check file. |
| 04:10.48 | cheex | moreover, it still wont' work if I tell it to ignore that problem. |
| 04:11.04 | cheex | (same problem; won't load the nvidia.o, which usually means the kernel interface was not compiled properly) |
| 04:11.32 | baroni | cheex: maybe #nvidia can help you too |
| 04:11.42 | profchaos | The_Vulture, yes i am |
| 04:11.47 | fusion | Hmm my linksys ethernet card does not seem to work anymore.. I do modprobe sk98lin and then ifup eth3 which was it's interface as I remember and it says looking for DHCP etc, (it is connected to a dhcp server, and my onboard NIC finds it fine)..but the linksys's "activity" light doesnt even come on...any ideas? |
| 04:11.49 | WiFiTux | profchaos, sure, np. |
| 04:12.01 | chris451 | im trying to get java to work in firefox. i just installed the latest jre from sun's website but no luck. any ideas? |
| 04:12.21 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 04:12.21 | dpkg | i guess java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package). only in sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in sarge. |
| 04:12.36 | WiFiTux | fusion, check dmesg and lsmod, also ifconfig eth3 and make sure it's at least detected |
| 04:12.57 | WiFiTux | abrotman, cya |
| 04:13.09 | Xenguy | chris451: what abrotman said |
| 04:13.13 | The_Vulture | profchaos: woody doesn't have 2.6 kernels.. |
| 04:13.13 | shingouz | at least the usb-serial problem has been automagically solved. usb works (after a fashion) even if usbcore is not available but it seems to screw up at least usbserial. kernel compile, here i come :( |
| 04:13.33 | profchaos | so there's no way to install a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 04:14.07 | Xenguy | profchaos: wait for sarge -- it shouldn't be too much longer =) |
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| 04:14.41 | fusion | WiFiTux: thanks... it finds the driver in both dmesg and lsmod... ifconfig eth3 prints an output but it is an "auto" device so its not too helpful, but I cannot see any errors |
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| 04:14.52 | The_Vulture | profchaos: on woody, without playing with breakage, no |
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| 04:15.36 | Fluten | what does it mean when a filesystem has unsupported read only features? |
| 04:15.39 | WiFiTux | fusion, if you plug a cable does the watchdog says anything? |
| 04:15.47 | profchaos | The_Vulture, ok, so what should i install? i'd much rather have a 2.6 kernel and a much newer version of KDE |
| 04:15.50 | myren | is telnet TCP or UDP? |
| 04:15.56 | flycast | tcp |
| 04:16.11 | WiFiTux | Fluten, that it has to support read-write. |
| 04:16.15 | fusion | WiFiTux: nope.. but by that do you mean looking in /var/log/messages ? |
| 04:16.26 | WiFiTux | fusion, dmesg |
| 04:16.31 | WiFiTux | but yes. |
| 04:16.33 | flycast | udp is rarely used, cept for dns |
| 04:16.35 | Fluten | WiFiTux, my disk has just suddenly acted strange, could it be bad? |
| 04:16.41 | Fluten | WiFiTux, since it refuses to fsck |
| 04:16.59 | Fluten | but shows the partition in cfdisk |
| 04:17.04 | The_Vulture | profchaos: 'upgrade' to sarge if you really want, I disclaim all responsibility for the results |
| 04:17.07 | WiFiTux | Fluten, No idea. But hey, if it's slow, and buggie, then maybe |
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| 04:17.39 | mvhurja | do debian support php5 ? |
| 04:18.09 | fusion | WiFiTux: No, it just says that eth3 is up and shows all the config (mode etc) and then it says eth3 is down |
| 04:18.10 | WiFiTux | profchaos, yes, is very easy. change the /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable instead of stable and then apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade that's what I do. |
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| 04:18.14 | nvz | mvhurja: not yet |
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| 04:18.26 | WiFiTux | fusion, set a static ip and try pinging. |
| 04:18.33 | mvhurja | http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/php5/woody/binary-i386/ |
| 04:18.38 | mvhurja | what is that ? |
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| 04:18.45 | nvz | mvhurja: not until its considered usable by any standard at least. seems to have an ass of bugs |
| 04:18.55 | profchaos | well i don't have anything on the system, so here goes nothing |
| 04:18.57 | simonrvn | flycast: i beg to differ. it's less often used, but it is more often used than "cept for dns" |
| 04:18.59 | spdf | Looks like php5, packaged for woody? |
| 04:19.01 | mvhurja | ahaa |
| 04:19.02 | nvz | mvhurja: that would probably be whats called a backport |
| 04:19.05 | WiFiTux | profchaos, correct. |
| 04:19.11 | lightcap | If I just installed a pci ide card and it moved all my drives down four hd* letters (/dev/hda moved to /dev/hde) while the new drives on the pci ide card moved to /dev/hda and /dev/hdb-- is there any way to move them back, without physically rearranging? |
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| 04:19.32 | mvhurja | so is that ready or no |
| 04:19.49 | WiFiTux | lightcap, looks like only physically to me. |
| 04:19.52 | nvz | mvhurja: backports happen when DDs or such using stable need something newer and decide to build a backported package.. they are unnofficial |
| 04:19.54 | lightcap | obviously a side effect of this problem is that I can't mount / since it's on the old /dev/hda1 |
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| 04:20.18 | The_Vulture | lightcap: can't boot off a rescue disk and specify the root partition manually |
| 04:20.19 | mvhurja | aha.. so as you sayed that not still ready |
| 04:20.24 | Xenguy | profchaos: do you want testing or unstable though? |
| 04:20.33 | The_Vulture | then modify your fstab and recreate your MBR, reboot, done? |
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| 04:20.38 | lightcap | I know I can boot from a rescue disk and remap in fstab etc... |
| 04:20.50 | The_Vulture | seems like the simplest solution.. |
| 04:20.53 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 04:20.59 | lightcap | The_Vulture and my cdrom, etc...? |
| 04:21.02 | lightcap | actually |
| 04:21.10 | The_Vulture | lightcap: it's all in your fstab, or should be |
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| 04:21.33 | The_Vulture | Xenguy: oi - that's my action! :) |
| 04:21.38 | a2t3 | lightcap: "ide=reverse" in LILO's append-line |
| 04:21.46 | Xenguy | The_Vulture: ;-) |
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| 04:22.01 | lightcap | a2t3 what's that do? |
| 04:22.16 | nvz | mvhurja: you are by all means allowed to use it, especially if you need it for a business related application you need the new php. I mean you got a shitty job, but doesnt mean you cant use it. It just doesnt seem to be making its way into debian yet officially, and thus is off-topic here. |
| 04:22.38 | fusion | WiFiTux: It replies to pings locally, however it still does not "light up" showing that the connection is there -- and dmesg still says its "up" and then it says "network connection down" for eth3 |
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| 04:22.54 | lightcap | arg, I have this silly attachement to my / not being on /hde... |
| 04:22.56 | profchaos | Xenguy, i'd like to be able to install kernel 2.6.10 and kde 3.3.2 |
| 04:22.58 | WiFiTux | !worship hotswap |
| 04:23.38 | The_Vulture | lightcap: so open up yer case and replug things.. :) |
| 04:23.41 | WiFiTux | fusion, it doesn't matter do dhclient eth3 and let it go... if it responds, it's working. |
| 04:23.57 | a2t3 | lightcap: i think this do want you want ;) |
| 04:24.02 | michal_ | does identd use tcp or udp? |
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| 04:24.06 | Xenguy | profchaos: I understand that - the 2.6 kernel is available in both 'testing' and 'unstable'; I assume the same is the case for the kde version you want |
| 04:24.18 | The_Vulture | lightcap: in short, I don't know of any way to change the detection order, I'd guess that perhaps you could delay loading the module that supports the PCI card in question.. I'm not sure about the append line a2t3 mentioned, haven't found any mention of it through google yet |
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| 04:24.39 | spdf | profchaos, KDE in testing is 3.3.1-3 right now.. |
| 04:24.39 | Xenguy | profchaos: just be aware that testing and unstable are slightly different, that's all |
| 04:24.42 | sockit2her | hi guys |
| 04:24.47 | nvz | mvhurja: debian is a very conservative distro with some really strict policies, governing its nobel goals. If you do in fact use it for business and the development process is troublesome to you, best thing you can do is get involved. If you are using debian for business, you should perhaps be involved with the people and groups who are responsible for they key packages you need to conduct business |
| 04:24.52 | profchaos | Xenguy, then i suppose i would be better off with testing? i'm not really sure... i'm new to debian |
| 04:24.59 | spdf | profchaos, You're much better off with testing.. |
| 04:25.05 | sockit2her | I was thinking about setting up a server with debian on my homenetwork as a sort of testbed |
| 04:25.09 | profchaos | i've been using slackware but want a better package manager |
| 04:25.19 | sockit2her | problem is, I don't know which type I should play around with |
| 04:25.27 | lightcap | The_Vulture true, of course. any reason not to run software raid on a pci ide card? |
| 04:25.28 | sockit2her | it's purely experimental |
| 04:25.29 | Xenguy | profchaos: testing is considered safer (especially for someone new to debian ;-) |
| 04:25.30 | The_Vulture | profchaos: go to testing, see how you like it, you can always go to sid later |
| 04:25.41 | mvhurja | http://groups-beta.google.com/ wow :D very nice |
| 04:25.45 | sockit2her | sid is unstable, right? |
| 04:25.49 | The_Vulture | lightcap: can't say I've ever played with RAID of any kind. I've just got one 12GB drive :) |
| 04:25.52 | Xenguy | sockit2her: yes |
| 04:25.53 | The_Vulture | sockit2her: right |
| 04:25.57 | lightcap | hmm..actually, I think its only marketed that way it the ide card will do hardware raid I think... |
| 04:26.50 | Xenguy | simonrvn: ? |
| 04:26.50 | Eagle101 | help...does anyone know why my back 2 speakers wont work, only the front ones...??? |
| 04:26.50 | The_Vulture | Eagle101: perhaps you should check yer mixer settings.. |
| 04:26.50 | nvz | mvhurja: where did you find that link? http://www.google.com/search?q=old+news heh =P |
| 04:26.51 | sockit2her | is there a way to set priority of unstable pkgs, so that my system can fetch both unstable/testing? |
| 04:26.58 | lightcap | The_Vulture bah, nevermind, really I should have split it over the two channels anyhow, and I didn't bother to do that either... |
| 04:26.59 | sockit2her | via apt-* configs? |
| 04:27.11 | Xenguy | sockit2her: pinning I assume (never used it tho) |
| 04:27.17 | Eagle101 | The_Vulture: in the gnome volume control, everything is unmuted and tuned uppp |
| 04:27.17 | nvz | Xenguy: I think he's refering to the fact that it sounds like a wife beater |
| 04:27.23 | fusion | hm |
| 04:27.24 | The_Vulture | Eagle101: *shrugs* |
| 04:27.25 | mvhurja | nvz :D |
| 04:27.34 | mvhurja | ;) |
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| 04:27.43 | spdf | Eagle101, Not without more info.. |
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| 04:27.55 | sockit2her | my apologies |
| 04:27.56 | Xenguy | nvz: if you think I'm politically correct, you don't know me very well |
| 04:28.00 | fusion | WiFiTux: For my linksys card, it seems to only like ethernet ports 1 + 3 on my router..however my other card will work with all of them o.O |
| 04:28.00 | sockit2her | it just seemed unique at the time |
| 04:28.06 | spdf | Eagle101, Which kernel? Alsa? OSS? |
| 04:28.11 | GlitchMaster | Whoops... |
| 04:28.13 | GlitchMaster | This is still open? |
| 04:28.22 | Eagle101 | spdf: OSS, and my sound card is a Ensoniq 1370 |
| 04:28.56 | nvz | Xenguy: well a lot of euphamistic language is B.S. but thats no excuse, or rather justification for lack of respect. |
| 04:29.01 | WiFiTux | fusion, interesting. 1 or 3? odd. Well maybe the linksys router? or whatever brand it is. maybe use windows and check if it behaves the same way. Else report a bug to whoever the driver developer is. |
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| 04:29.06 | spdf | Eagle101, Which kernel? |
| 04:29.10 | WiFiTux | fusion, or upgrade the firmware of your router. |
| 04:29.21 | sockit2her | to clarify: it was a comment on wwe(?) wrestling b/w two female competitors |
| 04:29.22 | Eagle101 | spdf: Debian 2.6.8-1 |
| 04:29.22 | Xenguy | nvz: and your point is what exactly? |
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| 04:29.26 | fusion | I just upgraded the firmware.. US Robotics |
| 04:29.35 | shingouz | Eagle101: check the hardware too, yo might have a bad wire somewhere |
| 04:29.38 | fusion | but thanks I'll try it in Windows |
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| 04:29.45 | WiFiTux | Oo |
| 04:29.49 | sockit2her | nvz: u a bible-basher? |
| 04:29.50 | mvhurja | is in debian firewall ? |
| 04:30.05 | WiFiTux | basher? |
| 04:30.28 | jimmy | anyone know if there is a project organizing to put debian on the mac mini when it's available? |
| 04:30.32 | WiFiTux | mvhurja, what debian firewall? |
| 04:30.33 | simonrvn | mvhurja: you mean iptables? of course |
| 04:30.33 | nvz | Xenguy: I wasn't really trying to make a point. I knew simon had said that rather rehtorically and wasn't going to answer your inquiry, so I tried to interpret it. Then I just gave you a general response to your proud political incorrectness |
| 04:30.35 | Blitx | sudo windows |
| 04:30.47 | WiFiTux | jimmy, #debian-ppc |
| 04:30.52 | mvhurja | WiFiTux: normal nirewall :) |
| 04:31.03 | lightcap | jimmy isn't a mac mini still a powerpc? |
| 04:31.04 | WiFiTux | jimmy, and I would say, it could alrady have support. |
| 04:31.09 | mvhurja | firewall |
| 04:31.13 | WiFiTux | lightcap, looks like. |
| 04:31.26 | WiFiTux | mvhurja, whar are you looking for? |
| 04:31.27 | lightcap | well, no project needed then most likely :-) |
| 04:31.27 | sockit2her | nvz: doesn't that seem rather conceited of him, though? |
| 04:31.28 | simonrvn | jimmy: yes, install debian ppc... |
| 04:31.46 | mvhurja | fredora has firewall |
| 04:31.48 | simonrvn | mvhurja: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:31.54 | mvhurja | do debian have firewall |
| 04:32.06 | Xenguy | nvz: context is everything -- I think we're talking past each other ATM. I do agree that respect is a good idea ;-) |
| 04:32.10 | gravity | mvhurja: Yes |
| 04:32.12 | simonrvn | mvhurja: stop asking us, and do some searching. and yes, they do exist |
| 04:32.20 | WiFiTux | mvhurja, you are talking chinese huh? Yes it does. iptables or there is a lot of ways. |
| 04:32.30 | gravity | mvhurja: Shorewall is good. Try that one. |
| 04:32.35 | mvhurja | hahaha :) "new user" answer if want or take me as SPAM |
| 04:32.37 | nvz | sockit2her: bible-basher? The bible is an interesting collection of tales. Though I care not to spend the time uncovering whatever truth or example that may lie therein.. |
| 04:32.51 | drac | mvhurja: and for Gnome there is Firestarter. |
| 04:33.17 | WiFiTux | mvhurja, it's obviously your language what makes us hostile. Try harder. |
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| 04:33.31 | sockit2her | temperamental |
| 04:33.33 | mvhurja | hehe ok ;) |
| 04:33.40 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 04:33.52 | cheex | npx, chass: I'm back. I'm now getting a weird error about the gcc version being incorrect. the folks in nvidia told me to "fix my distribution" |
| 04:34.18 | simonrvn | mvhurja: searching would have told you this |
| 04:34.21 | Eagle101 | spdf: any ideas? |
| 04:34.32 | WiFiTux | cheex, it says that the kernel gcc and the nvidia gcc don't match? |
| 04:34.38 | cheex | yeah. |
| 04:35.19 | WiFiTux | cheex, update your gcc or reinstall the kernel with the newer gcc, I dunno. |
| 04:35.25 | drac | Eagle101: if I were you, i'd just install Alsa, it's easy on 2.6x kernels. |
| 04:35.28 | npx | cheex, You might need to isntall gcc 2.95 (or 2.96) I think |
| 04:35.28 | mvhurja | simonrvn as i sayed take me as SPAM if im going in you nerv!! |
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| 04:35.50 | simonrvn | mvhurja: what? |
| 04:35.53 | npx | cheex, Another fix would be to rebuild a kernel with that version of GCC then build the nvidia driver against it |
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| 04:36.08 | npx | I do suggest you use debian kernel sources if you go that route, they have all kinds of patches |
| 04:36.09 | profchaos | some of you may find this interesting; how to prioritize btwn stable, testing, and unstable: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 04:36.11 | sockit2her | apparently, he told you not to get your panties in twist |
| 04:36.12 | WiFiTux | mvhurja, slow down buddy, what are you looking for? |
| 04:36.31 | mvhurja | nothink any moore... |
| 04:36.43 | mvhurja | i found that firewall what i asked for |
| 04:36.49 | Xenguy | mvhurja: re: firewall: yes, shorewall is good |
| 04:37.00 | WiFiTux | mvhurja, no think any moore? Micheal Moore doesn't think? |
| 04:37.04 | cheex | npx: so you think I'd need to downgrade my gcc? This seems like so much extra trouble. I was able to install these drivers without any hitches at all just a few days ago on the same machine, but an entirely different debian installation (I had to reinstall it this morning because I borked my hard drive) |
| 04:37.08 | sockit2her | he never did |
| 04:37.14 | mvhurja | thnks to gravity |
| 04:37.16 | drac | WiFiTux :-) |
| 04:37.18 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: english is not everyone's 1st language -- sheesh |
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| 04:37.29 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, mine either. |
| 04:37.39 | spdf | Eagle101, I asked you which kernel you were using.. |
| 04:37.40 | Eagle101 | drac: can i install it via apt? |
| 04:37.41 | nvz | Xenguy: s/everyone's/anyone's/ |
| 04:37.43 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, I try harder everytime. |
| 04:37.47 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: so cut some slack then |
| 04:37.49 | WiFiTux | nvz, lol |
| 04:37.55 | nvz | heh |
| 04:38.03 | drac | Eagle101: Yes, apt-get install alsa-base and you might also want udev and OSS emulation alsa-oss. |
| 04:38.05 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, I'm getting into his nevers, that's all. :) |
| 04:38.09 | Eagle101 | spdf: and i told you...Eagle101 spdf: Debian 2.6.8-1 |
| 04:38.13 | Xenguy | whatever |
| 04:38.15 | WiFiTux | nervs |
| 04:38.23 | drac | !tell eagle101 about alsa |
| 04:38.29 | sockit2her | wow, grammar nazis |
| 04:38.46 | spdf | Eagle101, Ajhh, I missed it... |
| 04:38.58 | mvhurja | :D |
| 04:39.00 | nvz | sockit2her: thats not grammar, thats humor. It obviously went over your head |
| 04:39.00 | WiFiTux | sockit2her, let's not get into the jew nazi racism again :/ |
| 04:39.05 | Eagle101 | drac: thanks alot |
| 04:39.10 | spdf | Eagle101, Yah..Use Alsa |
| 04:39.12 | nvz | if I knew any grammar, I would have sent my exams in already.. |
| 04:39.19 | spdf | Eagle101, That's all I had for yah.. |
| 04:39.30 | Eagle101 | spdf: lol, thanks man... |
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| 04:39.41 | nvz | waiting around to sit down and make sure all the grammar is right first |
| 04:39.50 | WiFiTux | ha |
| 04:39.51 | sockit2her | nvz: duly noted |
| 04:40.09 | spdf | Eagle101, unload the oss module first, install alsa, run alsaconf, and you should be set.. |
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| 04:40.44 | nvz | I need to get on google and find a good reference on how to break up sentances.. proper usage of punctuation. |
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| 04:40.55 | Eagle101 | spdf: how do i unload the oss module? |
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| 04:41.01 | nvz | cause I apperently forgot. |
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| 04:41.51 | spdf | Eagle101, Actually, don't worry about it right now, alsa might sort that out for you.. |
| 04:42.02 | jian1 | eagle101 |
| 04:42.12 | WiFiTux | nvz, sentences are divided by sense and priority. Like you stop a sentence when the other one will not adjust to what you are saying, also to help the reader breathe |
| 04:42.16 | spdf | Eagle101, rmmod for unloading modules though.. |
| 04:42.16 | jian1 | give you a suggestion, compile every thing related to alsa as modules |
| 04:42.17 | nvz | I've learned from chatting online so much, to just run on ..... putting a number of periods in anywhere I have to stop to think of what to type next, screw the reader. heh |
| 04:42.24 | sockit2her | has anybody here performed a chrooted install of another distro? |
| 04:42.24 | Eagle101 | jian1: yea |
| 04:42.26 | jian1 | it reduces huge headache, even |
| 04:42.31 | jian1 | you already did? |
| 04:42.33 | spdf | Eagle10, It'll likely be tied up with other sound modules though.. |
| 04:43.02 | WiFiTux | sockit2her, ask in #anotherdistro |
| 04:43.03 | sockit2her | linux-linux chroots are intuitive, but how goes linux-bsd? |
| 04:43.04 | bob2 | sockit2her: ubuntu, yes |
| 04:43.05 | nvz | WiFiTux: yeah well I need to know specifically for the stuff I am doing now; when to use a semi-colon, when to use a comman, when to use an elipsis, or an emdash |
| 04:43.05 | Eagle101 | spdf: so i can go ahead and run rmmod oss? |
| 04:43.12 | bob2 | sockit2her: you can't chroot linux-bsd |
| 04:43.13 | sockit2her | WiFiTux: great! |
| 04:43.17 | bob2 | not on a linux host, anyway |
| 04:43.27 | sockit2her | bob2: is this debian-specific? |
| 04:43.36 | sockit2her | or linux in general? |
| 04:43.47 | bob2 | sockit2her: how do you plan to run bsd binaries under a linux kernel? |
| 04:44.00 | WiFiTux | Eagle101, modprobe -r oss |
| 04:44.06 | sockit2her | bob2: pm |
| 04:44.11 | bob2 | no |
| 04:44.14 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
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| 04:44.33 | Eagle101 | WiFiTux: it says module oss not found, strange! |
| 04:44.38 | sockit2her | I know this Debian crowd isn't entirely receptive to discussion of #otheros |
| 04:44.44 | WiFiTux | Eagle101, lsmod | grep oss |
| 04:44.45 | bob2 | indeed |
| 04:44.49 | spdf | Eagle101, lsmod |
| 04:44.49 | bob2 | it's almost as if it's off-topic |
| 04:44.58 | bob2 | sockit2her: but suffice to say, you can't just chroot |
| 04:45.29 | spdf | Man..I wish I had longer arms..I'd look goofy..but I could scratch the spot on my back I can't reach |
| 04:45.36 | sockit2her | bob2: gotcha. |
| 04:45.49 | Eagle101 | WifiTux: that doesnt display anything |
| 04:45.53 | bob2 | sockit2her: you could potentially run a linux chroot under bsd |
| 04:45.56 | baloo | sockit2her: No kidding. If you want to talk about some other distro, go join #some-other-distro |
| 04:45.56 | bob2 | and bootstrap fro mthat |
| 04:46.00 | WiFiTux | spdf, that's why you get a wife. |
| 04:46.04 | nvz | sockit2her: this "Debian crowd" is very large, for sake of this channel functioning we have to try our best to stay on topic and not raise the channel temperature, as several hundred people being upset or offtopic would be disasterous |
| 04:46.11 | spdf | Eagle101, How about lsmod | grep ens |
| 04:46.15 | WiFiTux | Eagle101, then it's not loaded. |
| 04:46.26 | sockit2her | baloo, nvz: evidently. Hence my p.m. suggestion. I didn't mean to tread on either of your toes |
| 04:46.26 | spdf | Eagle101, or lsmod | grep snd |
| 04:46.37 | sockit2her | it's over |
| 04:46.46 | bob2 | sockit2her: it's already bootstrapped, tho |
| 04:46.55 | bob2 | sockit2her: just install debian-bsd and help fix it |
| 04:47.00 | WiFiTux | sockit2her, camel toes? :/ |
| 04:47.05 | spdf | WiFiTux, Bah..I'm at work..I'll probably end up rubbing up on the vending machine |
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| 04:47.16 | sockit2her | WiFiTux: valid |
| 04:47.17 | WiFiTux | spdf, rotfl |
| 04:47.22 | Eagle101 | spdf: yup snd displays things... |
| 04:47.34 | spdf | Eagle101, Did you install alsa-base? |
| 04:47.40 | Eagle101 | spdf: actually not snd, but esd |
| 04:47.55 | nvz | sockit2her: its not a big deal, it was casual and didnt cause a problem.. I was just telling you because you commented about us not being receptive... and I didn't know if you caught bob2's sarcasm or not |
| 04:47.56 | baloo | I wish I could figure out why I can't get my UT2004 DVD to mount anymore |
| 04:47.57 | Eagle101 | ens* |
| 04:48.11 | spdf | Eagle101,ens137x? |
| 04:48.13 | sockit2her | nvz: thanks |
| 04:48.24 | WiFiTux | baloo, is that dvd only? |
| 04:48.43 | baloo | WiFiTux: Well, it's not, but I can't find anyplace that sells the game on the six-CD set. |
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| 04:49.07 | spdf | Eagle101, Well, modprobe -r <That ensblahblah module> |
| 04:49.20 | Eagle101 | spdf: well my sound card is ens1370 |
| 04:50.14 | spdf | Eagle101, I know.. |
| 04:50.15 | Eagle101 | spdf: ok should i run alsaconf now? |
| 04:50.21 | spdf | Eagle101, Yep.. |
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| 04:51.22 | spdf | Eagle101, It should list your card, select it, etc..etc.. |
| 04:51.38 | zinx | Eagle101: the ens1370 works fairly well |
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| 04:53.10 | Bogaurd | why is it that when i do apt-cache search kernel-source, the newest i can see is 2.4.19? when i look in the pool folder on the ftp server, i can see kernel sources up to 2.4.27... is this considered 'testing'? i am running woody, and i'd like a recent 2.4 kernel |
| 04:53.27 | sockit2her | yes |
| 04:53.32 | Eagle101 | spdf: whats a good mixer that i should use? |
| 04:53.40 | Bogaurd | sockit2her: its considered testing? |
| 04:53.42 | spdf | Eagle101 , alsamixer is fine.. |
| 04:53.54 | Bogaurd | sockit2her: would it be OK to run on woody? |
| 04:53.56 | sockit2her | Bogaurd: i believe so. |
| 04:54.00 | sockit2her | Bogaurd: certainly |
| 04:54.15 | sockit2her | Bogaurd: you could always pull the vanilla source off kernel.org |
| 04:54.32 | Eagle101 | spdf: for some reason, alsamixer just wont come on, i run it, and i see nothing |
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| 04:54.39 | Bogaurd | sockit2her: ok... if i want to make my apt-get be able to see it, should i add a line with main/testing in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:54.44 | toresbe | morning fllow debloonies :) |
| 04:54.54 | bob2 | Bogaurd: backports.org |
| 04:55.02 | orchid | hi toresbe |
| 04:55.05 | bob2 | Bogaurd: no, do not add testing to there unless you want to upgrade |
| 04:55.12 | spdf | Eagle101, does it say "device not found" or something like that? |
| 04:55.12 | n3o_X | is there a way i can make a sh script be a system command? so i dont have to do /path/to/sh/script.sh? |
| 04:55.24 | bob2 | n3o_X: put it in ~/bin/ |
| 04:55.25 | spdf | Eagle101, Where are you running it from? |
| 04:55.32 | bob2 | n3o_X: put ~/bin ahead of /usr/bin in $PATH |
| 04:55.32 | Eagle101 | spdf: no no nothing...it just wont come on... |
| 04:55.33 | Bogaurd | bob2: all i want to do is compile a recent kernel 2.4 on the system |
| 04:55.33 | fredm | anybody in here already done a multihead system in kernel 2.6? the patchs in http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/ are not working in 2.6.10 2.6.9 and 2.6.8 |
| 04:55.34 | bob2 | n3o_X: profit |
| 04:55.35 | n3o_X | ok |
| 04:55.38 | n3o_X | ? |
| 04:55.42 | bob2 | Bogaurd: yes, get it from backports.org |
| 04:55.56 | bob2 | Bogaurd: even better, use a kernel-image from there |
| 04:55.58 | Eagle101 | spdf: from the gnome launch applet, and i tryed from the run applications section too |
| 04:56.08 | spdf | Eagle101, Run it from a terminal.. |
| 04:56.12 | profchaos | dang, i still can't get a 2.6 kernel after switching to testing |
| 04:56.23 | The_Vulture | profchaos: apt-get update |
| 04:56.34 | spdf | Eagle101, Did you run alsaconf from he run applet too? or from a terminal? |
| 04:56.47 | Eagle101 | spdf: from the terminal |
| 04:56.58 | profchaos | The_Vulture, i did that |
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| 04:57.11 | profchaos | then i ran apt-get upgrade and it did upgrade about 70 packagess |
| 04:57.14 | Eagle101 | spdf: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 04:57.16 | The_Vulture | profchaos: and apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 shows no results? |
| 04:57.27 | profchaos | The_Vulture, correct |
| 04:57.32 | The_Vulture | profchaos: well you should probably have run dist-upgrade, not just upgrade, but that's a separate issue |
| 04:57.51 | bob2 | profchaos: your sources.list or mirror is broked |
| 04:57.56 | bob2 | profchaos: paste /etc/apt/sources.list to #flooed |
| 04:57.59 | The_Vulture | profchaos: seems unlikely, show the output of apt-get update && apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6; in #flood or in a pastebin of some kind |
| 04:58.14 | The_Vulture | and/or what bob2 said |
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| 04:58.42 | spdf | Eagle101, Hmm... |
| 04:58.57 | enelem | hi, does anyone know how i can load balance over two network links (2 x public IPs + NAT network)? i have a box on the other side under my control too. |
| 04:59.44 | fredm | can I get a .config from kernel 2.6 and use in 2.4? |
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| 04:59.59 | bob2 | fredm: no |
| 05:00.04 | bob2 | fredm: what are yo utryin to do? |
| 05:00.12 | spdf | lsmod | grep snd do you see snd-ens1370? |
| 05:00.21 | fredm | multihead system. doesn't working in 2.6 |
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| 05:00.32 | fredm | bob2: so I will try in 2.4 |
| 05:00.41 | Bogaurd | bob2: i have the kernel source i want now. what about a kernel preempt patch that can run on it? i cant seem to find one on packports.org. can i just grab the one from my ISP's pool mirror? |
| 05:00.43 | spdf | Eagle101, That was fro you... |
| 05:00.52 | WiFiTux | fredm, 2.4 is easier to get wporking |
| 05:00.57 | bob2 | Bogaurd: er? 2.6 includes preempt. |
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| 05:01.19 | Eagle101 | spdf: yup i see ens1370, but i also see alot of OSS |
| 05:01.24 | profchaos | oh wth, now it works. thanks The_Vulture... although i have no idea why it worked |
| 05:01.29 | Bogaurd | bob2: i am running 2.4.27 |
| 05:01.38 | Bogaurd | (going to be running, at least) |
| 05:01.39 | profchaos | i issued those two commands seperately a minute ago |
| 05:01.40 | bob2 | Bogaurd: then no idea |
| 05:01.40 | spdf | Eagle101, is snd-ens, or just ens? |
| 05:01.45 | Bogaurd | bob2: okay |
| 05:01.53 | bob2 | 2.4 is kinda abandoned by most kernel people |
| 05:01.53 | fredm | Bougart: preemt is just one option in kernel config. If you are recompiling it's easy |
| 05:02.04 | bob2 | fredm: not in 2.4 it isn't |
| 05:02.10 | Eagle101 | spdf: snd-ens1370 |
| 05:02.41 | Eagle101 | spdf: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0exmIG69.html |
| 05:03.09 | fredm | bob2, Bogaurt: ok. sorry. |
| 05:03.49 | spdf | Eagle101, rmmod es1370 |
| 05:03.51 | fredm | WiFiTux: do you have multihead system? |
| 05:04.00 | spdf | Eagle101, modprobe -r es1370 rather... |
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| 05:04.11 | spdf | Eagle101, Works all the same, modprobe's just nicer about it.. |
| 05:04.31 | sockit2her | Eagle101: provided you can unload modules |
| 05:04.38 | WiFiTux | fredm, whats that? |
| 05:05.34 | fredm | WiFiTux: to independent X. in two diferent consoles: http://www.ltn.lv/~aivils/ |
| 05:05.57 | Eagle101 | spdf: ok |
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| 05:06.41 | fredm | WiFiTux: very nice. but there is a patch to kernel. and all the patchs are broking here: 2.6.10, 2.6.9 and 2.6.8 |
| 05:06.52 | indigirl1 | how do i rename the extension to a group of files (.wma to .mp3) |
| 05:06.55 | Eagle101 | spdf: i still snd_mixer_oss etc.. |
| 05:07.38 | Eagle101 | spdf: a friend of mine just told me right now that since i still have oss modules running, i have to get rid of them... |
| 05:07.59 | WiFiTux | fredm, startx :1 ? |
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| 05:08.22 | fredm | WiFiTux: No. two fisical consoles |
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| 05:08.36 | fredm | me in one. and my girlfriend in other |
| 05:08.37 | kisshi | where can I download the beautiful theme for kde in debian? |
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| 05:09.23 | Delicates | anyone can comment on Linux support for Intel 925XE chipset? |
| 05:09.40 | fredm | WiFiTux: startx :1 is already done here. I mede via gdm.conf |
| 05:10.05 | WiFiTux | kisshi, apt-cache search kde theme |
| 05:10.06 | fredm | kisshi: already tried apt-cache search kde theme? |
| 05:10.10 | WiFiTux | fredm, ahh, I see. 2 Monitors, 1 CPU? |
| 05:10.25 | kisshi | WiFiTux: Thanks |
| 05:10.29 | fredm | WiFiTux: yes |
| 05:10.44 | spdf | Eagle101, Those oss drivers are jist alsa-oss emulation modules |
| 05:10.45 | fredm | WiFiTux: but so just this |
| 05:11.03 | WiFiTux | fredm, ah ok. well, just use your vga card for multimonitor or something. |
| 05:11.05 | spdf | Eagle101, the modules with snd- at the start are alsa.. |
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| 05:11.11 | Eagle101 | spdf: can that be? i still havent installed any alsa-oss emulation modules |
| 05:11.14 | WiFiTux | kisshi, np |
| 05:11.27 | fredm | WiFiTux: 2 monitors, 2 mice and the more hard: 2 keyboards. |
| 05:11.40 | WiFiTux | Eagle101, you don't need alsa oss emulattion. |
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| 05:11.46 | edward_ | morning... |
| 05:11.54 | WiFiTux | fredm, ah, of course... Well, what a mess. |
| 05:12.07 | WiFiTux | edward_, huh? 11PM here. :/ |
| 05:12.09 | spdf | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=34 |
| 05:12.10 | Eagle101 | WiFiTux: ok...i still dont know whats wrong though |
| 05:12.14 | spdf | Eagle101, Check that out.. |
| 05:12.30 | WiFiTux | Eagle101, which sound card? I'm not good with sound. |
| 05:12.41 | fredm | WiFiTux: take a look: http://www.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiterminal/tetrahead1.jpg |
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| 05:13.28 | Beccara | anyone know the console command to show a realtime view of all process and memory useage? |
| 05:13.34 | burnt-toast_ | ps -aux |
| 05:13.39 | burnt-toast_ | well |
| 05:13.43 | zignig | Beccara: top |
| 05:13.43 | burnt-toast_ | sorry not realtime |
| 05:13.43 | Eagle101 | WiFiTux: Ens1370 |
| 05:13.45 | burnt-toast_ | top |
| 05:13.58 | WiFiTux | Eagle101, which sound card? |
| 05:14.27 | WiFiTux | fredm, cool |
| 05:14.31 | fredm | WiFiTux: well. I will not go down 2.6.8. 2.6.7 is no more in debian repositories, so I supose 2.6.7 and lower are no more save |
| 05:14.46 | Beccara | thanks |
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| 05:15.05 | WiFiTux | fredm, what? try other kernels, that's all you can do I guess. |
| 05:15.17 | spdf | Eagle101, Restart your computer? |
| 05:15.24 | WiFiTux | ok, sleep time |
| 05:15.27 | Eagle101 | spdf: lol let me try it |
| 05:15.40 | spdf | Eagle101, Worth a shot :) |
| 05:15.46 | fredm | WiFiTux: which other kernel? |
| 05:15.55 | WiFiTux | fredm, any previous kernel. |
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| 05:16.02 | Eagle101 | brb |
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| 05:16.10 | fredm | WiFiTux: 2.6.7, for example? |
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| 05:16.52 | WiFiTux | fredm, yes. Bye |
| 05:17.01 | fredm | WiFiTux: bye |
| 05:17.12 | cat | any one here have metal slug? |
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| 05:17.41 | drac | what is metal slug? |
| 05:17.54 | sockit2her | scroll shooter |
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| 05:18.24 | cat | i love that game but i cant find it |
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| 05:18.56 | spdf | cat, the original? |
| 05:19.07 | spdf | cat, or the newest? |
| 05:19.12 | cat | which ever |
| 05:19.16 | k-man_ | i'm having problems getting php and mysql to play together.... |
| 05:19.25 | k-man_ | i get this error message in the apache logs: |
| 05:19.27 | k-man_ | /usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_sprintf |
| 05:19.32 | k-man_ | any idea how to fix that? |
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| 05:21.46 | Eagle101 | spdf: ok alsamixer now runs in terminal... |
| 05:21.53 | thully | What causes the strange coloring of some fonds that I've occasionally had a problem with - on Ubuntu this doesn't appear |
| 05:22.02 | spdf | Eagle101, Good 'ol restart :) |
| 05:22.10 | thully | fonts |
| 05:22.18 | bob2 | thully: I assume you twiddled the subpixel settings? |
| 05:22.23 | spdf | Eagle101, Turn up all the volumes for now.. |
| 05:22.29 | Eagle101 | spdf: yup, now how do i know if the system is using alsa or oss for sound? |
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| 05:23.10 | john | Eagle101: What kernel do you use? |
| 05:23.14 | spdf | Eagle101, It's using alsa |
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| 05:23.19 | john | nvm |
| 05:23.21 | john | lol |
| 05:23.23 | Eagle101 | john: debian 2.6.8-1 |
| 05:23.31 | john | Yeah, most likely Alsa. |
| 05:23.34 | john | That's the kernel i use |
| 05:23.36 | fredm | I don't have a backup of my .config from the time I use kernel 2.4. Can I use my .config from 2.6? |
| 05:23.48 | thully | yes - and I got it working - but the funny thing is that I have to pick "reverse bgr" in Debian on KDE. On Ubuntu w/Gnome, it will automatically set things up right (and I don't see anywhere where it picks "reverse BGR" |
| 05:23.51 | acetech | anyone know where i can change the setting for 8x agp in debian? |
| 05:24.14 | bob2 | acetech: it's a bios setting, usually |
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| 05:25.02 | acetech | bob2, i have a doc that says to put it in modules.conf, but the modules.conf does not include a nvidia in it |
| 05:25.12 | Eagle101 | spdf: whats the pipeline for alsa? |
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| 05:26.06 | bob2 | acetech: er, read the top of /etc/modules.conf |
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| 05:26.47 | spdf | Eagle101, /dev/dsp, you can use esd in gnome for a sound server.. |
| 05:27.12 | acetech | bob2, it says not to change the modules.conf |
| 05:27.18 | bob2 | ye |
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| 05:28.05 | acetech | bob2, so where would i be able to place the nv settings to enable fastwrite, sba, and 8x agp |
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| 05:28.24 | bob2 | acetech: er, read again |
| 05:28.26 | bob2 | it explains that |
| 05:28.31 | bob2 | # Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add |
| 05:28.31 | bob2 | # anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read |
| 05:28.31 | bob2 | # the manpage for update-modules. |
| 05:29.31 | Eagle101 | spdf: ok man, thanks alot for all your help |
| 05:31.52 | acetech | bob2, i think i can fix it... i found something close in the /etc/modutils/aliases file |
| 05:31.52 | spdf | Eagle101, do the back speakers work now? |
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| 05:32.33 | Eagle101 | spdf: nope, only the front 2 |
| 05:33.06 | spdf | Eagle101, Brutal... |
| 05:33.33 | spdf | Eagle101, install gmix, and see if something is turned down.. |
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| 05:34.57 | Eagle101 | spdf: are you sure its called gmix? |
| 05:35.12 | drac | Eagle101: aumixer, alsamixer, alsamixergui .. pick one |
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| 05:36.00 | dodgyville | Hello |
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| 05:40.26 | Choco | hola a todos/as |
| 05:40.33 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 05:40.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:41.57 | kamusbr | how I do with spampassassin send all spam's to my domain for only one user, example: spamuser@mydomain.com? |
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| 05:43.16 | michal_ | anyone familiar with scsi dat tape drives? i've got one connected to an advansys scsi controller and it isn't being shown as connected according to linux |
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| 05:45.48 | spdf | michal_, Modules loaded fine? |
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| 05:48.58 | dodgyville | My install screen for sarge is too wide on a ppc computer's screen. What is the command line code to set window size? |
| 05:49.05 | weaszel | whats the debian equivalent of rpm -q {packagename} |
| 05:49.51 | bob2 | perhaps explain what that command does? |
| 05:50.14 | shingouz | apt-cache search foo? |
| 05:50.14 | weaszel | it gives the version number of the specified package |
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| 05:51.05 | a2t3 | weaszel: apt-cache show package? |
| 05:51.15 | bob2 | dpkg -l packagename |
| 05:51.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename |
| 05:51.29 | weaszel | heh |
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| 05:52.28 | weaszel | thanks |
| 05:52.34 | weaszel | diong a knoppic remaster |
| 05:52.37 | weaszel | doing* |
| 05:52.39 | blackmariah | dodgyville: Are you sure it isn't something you can rectify by just adjusting the monitor? |
| 05:53.12 | k-man_ | i saw a document somehwere on installing source packages for debian |
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| 05:53.32 | dodgyville | blackmariah: It's one of those ibook things, I don't see a monitor adjust button :( |
| 05:53.38 | k-man_ | anyone know where i could find it again? |
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| 05:56.33 | kevinz | is Qt free for linux? |
| 05:56.46 | Guerin | kevinz: yes and no. |
| 05:56.53 | bob2 | it's GPL, so yes |
| 05:58.14 | kevinz | Guerin: ah hi, I am going to learn to use QT in my cs course, is it possible for me to setup environment in debian? |
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| 05:58.29 | Guerin | kevinz: oh yeah |
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| 05:58.46 | Guerin | I believe it's gpl for free software projects; if you choose to use it for commercial software, you need to buy a commercial license |
| 05:58.49 | bob2 | kevinz: libqt3-mt-dev and build-essential are what you want |
| 05:58.58 | bob2 | Guerin: it's GPL for everyone on unix |
| 05:59.12 | bob2 | you just can't distribute proporietary software against any GPL lib |
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| 05:59.53 | ShadowJK | unix isnt GPL.... |
| 06:00.14 | Guerin | bob2: right, ok. So out of technical necessity, if you're building non-free software against it, you need a commercial license. |
| 06:00.14 | orchid | can someone help with this error: $touch file bash: /usr/bin/touch: Input/output error on debian woody |
| 06:00.22 | Guerin | ShadowJK: unix isn't any one license. |
| 06:00.22 | bob2 | right |
| 06:00.29 | bob2 | orchid: your disk is toast |
| 06:00.51 | orchid | also, ls -la ~/ total 0 |
| 06:00.54 | orchid | :-\ |
| 06:01.09 | Guerin | bob2: thanks :) |
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| 06:01.48 | kevinz | thanks :) you two, i now feel very good as i am using debian :D |
| 06:02.05 | blackmariah | Guerin: Tell that to SCO... wait, this isn't Slashdot, can I still make that joke? *COUGH* |
| 06:02.18 | Guerin | blackmariah: hah |
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| 06:03.20 | m0rbid | can someone please tell me how to get framebuffer support working with kernel-image-2.4.* ? |
| 06:03.43 | Guerin | m0rbid: google linux kernel framebuffer howto |
| 06:04.01 | m0rbid | Guerin: I dont have a browser |
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| 06:04.29 | drac | m0rbid: install one. |
| 06:04.33 | blackmariah | m0rbid: If you're stuck on a terminal, try using lynx. |
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| 06:04.57 | Guerin | m0rbid: why not? |
| 06:05.00 | kevinz | how to install those suggested/recommended packages together when using apt-get install |
| 06:05.09 | Guerin | kevinz: use aptitude |
| 06:05.13 | bob2 | don't use apt-get, use aptitude |
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| 06:05.40 | Xenguy | m0rbid: or links, or w3m |
| 06:06.28 | kevinz | oh, is it the the subsitition of apt-get ? |
| 06:06.37 | m0rbid | lemme refrase that question... |
| 06:06.55 | m0rbid | is FB support available with the images? |
| 06:07.01 | m0rbid | or do I have to redo my own? |
| 06:07.01 | Guerin | no |
| 06:07.07 | Guerin | you need to build your own |
| 06:07.13 | toresbe | Guerin: What? |
| 06:07.26 | Guerin | toresbe: what? |
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| 06:07.39 | toresbe | Guerin: FB is in the Debian kernel! |
| 06:07.44 | Guerin | toresbe: it is? |
| 06:07.47 | blackmariah | kevinz: Have you used Synaptic? Same thing, basically, but in a terminal. |
| 06:07.54 | toresbe | Guerin: it definately is |
| 06:08.03 | travisat | why should one use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 06:08.15 | Guerin | toresbe: what modules? |
| 06:08.15 | kevinz | blackmariah: oh i see, but why is apt-get not recommended |
| 06:08.18 | blackmariah | That, I have no clue. |
| 06:08.18 | toresbe | Guerin: I remember a debate on some mailing list debating the inclusion of the ATI driver |
| 06:08.30 | toresbe | Guerin: many, including rivafb |
| 06:08.52 | rps | (i'm looking into installing debian for a lab at my school, should i stick to stable?) |
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| 06:09.04 | toresbe | Guerin: 24 is what wc tells me |
| 06:09.14 | travisat | rps: stable or testing |
| 06:09.14 | runixd | rps, no |
| 06:09.29 | toresbe | Guerin: that's wrong :P |
| 06:09.34 | rps | runixd, why not? |
| 06:09.46 | runixd | rps, you will miss out alot |
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| 06:09.52 | toresbe | m0rbid: What video card you got? |
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| 06:09.57 | runixd | rps, testing should be stable long ago |
| 06:09.59 | bob2 | rps: use ubuntu |
| 06:10.03 | runixd | don't |
| 06:10.05 | m0rbid | basic vga 4meg |
| 06:10.05 | bob2 | or sarge |
| 06:10.09 | toresbe | rps: what bob2 said |
| 06:10.17 | toresbe | m0rbid: What card? |
| 06:10.29 | rps | bob2, ununtu? |
| 06:10.30 | runixd | rps, don't listen to bob2, ubuntu breaks alot, |
| 06:10.33 | m0rbid | S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+] |
| 06:10.39 | toresbe | m0rbid: I wouldn't use FB if it were unaccellerated - it's shit slow |
| 06:10.47 | runixd | rps, sarge should be sufficient enough |
| 06:10.50 | bob2 | runixd: er, it really doesn't |
| 06:10.50 | Guerin | toresbe: hrm, interesting... let's see. |
| 06:10.59 | runixd | bob2, it really does |
| 06:11.07 | rps | runixd, does sarge get updates from the security team? |
| 06:11.13 | dodgyville | I've just wiped my boyfriend's OSX machine to install debian. I hope he doesn't get mad. |
| 06:11.15 | runixd | rps, yes |
| 06:11.24 | bob2 | runixd: e.g.? |
| 06:11.26 | dodgyville | It was just his computer drives me insane. |
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| 06:11.36 | toresbe | runixd: When has Ubuntu ever broken? |
| 06:11.42 | runixd | bob2, It breaks if you install non-ubuntu native packages |
| 06:11.52 | bob2 | runixd: duh |
| 06:11.52 | toresbe | runixd: Well, duh! |
| 06:11.57 | blackmariah | no shit... |
| 06:12.00 | runixd | Deibian doesn't |
| 06:12.00 | MrKeuner | I am on machine A. A is connected to WAN through verizon. verizon SMTP server is outgoing.verizon.net which requires username/password verification. While sending mail to a valid email address, after feeding dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config with the appropriate information best to my knowledge, I get this error: "550 relaying mail to a_valid_domain.com is not allowed". What could be a problem? |
| 06:12.06 | bob2 | runixd: yes it does |
| 06:12.09 | m0rbid | toresbe: I have a 32mb card, but I am unable to disbale the onbaord video. =/ |
| 06:12.09 | runixd | which is my point |
| 06:12.15 | m0rbid | or dont know how to for that matter. |
| 06:12.24 | toresbe | runixd: Debian breaks when you install Ubuntu packages too |
| 06:12.24 | runixd | never did on me bob2, toresbe |
| 06:12.38 | runixd | well maybe you shouldn't install ubuntu packages on it |
| 06:12.42 | toresbe | rps: Disregard runixd, he is smoking crack - install Unbuntu |
| 06:12.44 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:12.47 | runixd | ubuntu packages, on the other hand |
| 06:12.51 | runixd | err |
| 06:12.53 | bob2 | runixd: and maybe you shouldsn't install Debian packages on ubuntu |
| 06:12.54 | runixd | ubuntu repository |
| 06:12.57 | runixd | is very poor |
| 06:13.11 | runixd | maybe you have no other choice sometimes bob2 |
| 06:13.11 | bob2 | eesh |
| 06:13.12 | rps | toresbe, it'd help if i knew what unbuntu is :) link? |
| 06:13.15 | bbhill | Ubuntu users like to hold hands in a circle |
| 06:13.23 | travisat | while naked |
| 06:13.29 | bob2 | runixd: are you even reading what you're saying? |
| 06:13.31 | iceman | so do GNU developers :) |
| 06:13.33 | runixd | exactly |
| 06:13.34 | bbhill | with 1 member of every race there |
| 06:13.40 | runixd | yeah bob2 |
| 06:13.44 | runixd | ok, to clear up |
| 06:13.45 | toresbe | rps: It's a user-friendly-ized version of Debian with rather up-to-date packages www.ubuntu-linux.org |
| 06:13.46 | bob2 | "Debian doesn't break when you install Debian packages on it. Ubuntu does. Ubuntu suck!" |
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| 06:13.49 | runixd | ubuntu sux |
| 06:13.49 | Guerin | um, wtf |
| 06:14.02 | cat | yuck |
| 06:14.13 | cat | so on slack 8.0 |
| 06:14.19 | travisat | !ubuntu |
| 06:14.19 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 06:14.19 | bob2 | thanks for the insightful commentary, runixd |
| 06:14.21 | runixd | hmm, bob2 you are not getting it |
| 06:14.27 | bob2 | anyway, this is all off-topic |
| 06:14.28 | rps | toresbe, but... the people on the site are naked and stuff... |
| 06:14.35 | bbhill | its true!! |
| 06:14.38 | runixd | debian package versions are not marked debian |
| 06:14.38 | bbhill | I can see his pectorals |
| 06:14.41 | cat | anyone here what to used so i can be a dj? like for a radio station what program should i used? |
| 06:14.42 | toresbe | rps: yes, there is free porn inside. Install it. :P |
| 06:15.00 | toresbe | rps: Further study will reveal pants btw :P |
| 06:15.07 | MrKeuner | please at least tell me what this message trying to tell me: 550 relaying mail to a_valid_domain.com is not allowed |
| 06:15.11 | runixd | ubuntu are marked, thats why you will get conflicts when you try to install what is not in ubuntu repository |
| 06:15.20 | bob2 | runixd: no it's not |
| 06:15.28 | bbhill | Why does that guy have to be shirtless |
| 06:15.29 | runixd | hmm, look at it |
| 06:15.31 | bbhill | why not just put clothes on him |
| 06:15.36 | cat | anyone here what to used so i can be a dj? like for a radio station what program should i used? |
| 06:15.37 | bbhill | It's a little too homoerotic for me. |
| 06:15.37 | rps | toresbe, i think i'll stick with debian... |
| 06:15.54 | bob2 | bbhill: your sexual orientation isn't realy on-topic, either |
| 06:15.54 | runixd | good choice rps |
| 06:15.55 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 06:16.00 | kamusbr | how I do with spampassassin send all spam's to my domain for only one user, example: spamuser@mydomain.com? |
| 06:16.01 | Guerin | !cluebat #debian |
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| 06:16.13 | Guerin | kamusbr: you don't want to do that. |
| 06:16.15 | bbhill | bob2 thats not in the rules. |
| 06:16.17 | bob2 | kamusbr: ask on the spamassassin list, tho I bet it's in their FAQ |
| 06:16.22 | rps | toresbe, debian was the first dist i ever used, and i used it for years... recentlly i was using 'sourcemage' but it's far from ready for a lab setting. |
| 06:16.24 | bbhill | no where does it say my sexual orientation is off topic |
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| 06:16.26 | bob2 | bbhill: indeedy |
| 06:16.27 | bbhill | it says ubuntu is |
| 06:16.39 | toresbe | rps: Well, Ubuntu is debian-based. |
| 06:16.41 | bob2 | bbhill: it's almost as if the rules assume the reader posses common sense |
| 06:16.48 | toresbe | rps: But if you choose Debian, go at least testing. |
| 06:16.49 | runixd | debian based is NOT debian |
| 06:16.51 | Guerin | bob2: don't be silly |
| 06:16.55 | blackmariah | This is the most head-spinning channel I've ever been on, that's for damn sure. |
| 06:16.56 | rps | toresbe, so was corel linux... :) |
| 06:16.57 | kamusbr | bob2, i read it... |
| 06:16.58 | toresbe | runixd: Well, duh. |
| 06:17.02 | cat | anyone here what to used so i can be a dj? like for a radio station what program should i used? |
| 06:17.02 | runixd | rps, unless you want alot of headache |
| 06:17.07 | toresbe | rps: well, they botched it ;) |
| 06:17.10 | runixd | after a month of using linux |
| 06:17.13 | runixd | stay with debian |
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| 06:17.17 | bob2 | runixd: you made your point, stop trolling |
| 06:17.22 | bbhill | Guerin: stop hating |
| 06:17.25 | runixd | who is trolling here |
| 06:17.25 | bob2 | cat: try #freenode-radio |
| 06:17.29 | runixd | go to #ubuntu |
| 06:17.30 | cat | thnx |
| 06:17.36 | kamusbr | Guerin, ok |
| 06:17.39 | bob2 | runixd: you're babbling without explaining your actual complaint |
| 06:17.42 | cat | nothing there bob2 |
| 06:17.44 | Guerin | I'd agree with using sarge over ubuntu; not because of delusions about how crap ubuntu might be, but more about how good sarge actually IS. |
| 06:17.44 | bob2 | runixd: I'm *in* #ubuntu |
| 06:17.47 | toresbe | runixd: you are, you idiot |
| 06:17.48 | runixd | well talk there |
| 06:17.51 | runixd | and don't troll here |
| 06:17.54 | bob2 | toresbe: enough |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | bbhill: I'm not even started hating you, foo. |
| 06:17.59 | bob2 | runixd: enough |
| 06:18.05 | toresbe | bob2: We have been trolled :P |
| 06:18.16 | bob2 | indeedm but that's not a reason to continue it |
| 06:18.24 | runixd | toresbe, you shouldn't speek here at all |
| 06:18.27 | bob2 | cat: well, try some of the linux audio sites google knows about |
| 06:18.30 | toresbe | no, I shall refrain from biting :P |
| 06:18.36 | bob2 | runixd: stop |
| 06:18.44 | rps | wow... |
| 06:18.55 | toresbe | rps: Congrats, you started an argument here :) |
| 06:18.56 | rps | so how 'bout them red sox? |
| 06:18.57 | runixd | toresbe, did I even start talking to you, speak when u'r spoken to |
| 06:19.04 | toresbe | rps: You win tech support :) |
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| 06:19.45 | runixd | wtf |
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| 06:20.00 | Guerin | bob2: too subtle |
| 06:20.07 | runixd | I don't give a fuck, I stand by my point |
| 06:20.13 | bob2 | well, that's nice |
| 06:20.16 | bob2 | and you got to make it |
| 06:20.19 | bob2 | now we move on |
| 06:20.43 | toresbe | rps: hehe - well, try testing - Unless you're willing to withstand the perils of unstable :) |
| 06:20.48 | bbhill | Guerin: Can I ask you a serious question about Debian? |
| 06:20.52 | Guerin | bbhill: sure. |
| 06:21.01 | gangbanger | /whois guerin |
| 06:21.05 | gangbanger | yay |
| 06:21.08 | Guerin | gangbanger: you win |
| 06:21.12 | bbhill | Guerin: Ok, im using wmweather. How can I change the dockpoint? in the bottom right its very annoying to me and it dosent seem to be in the manuals ive checked. |
| 06:21.18 | rps | toresbe, i'll try out both before i make a descission... |
| 06:21.25 | toresbe | gangbanger: some wino who walked inn off the streets - she lives in Australia ;) |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | bbhill: that's not a debian question, that's a window manager specific issue |
| 06:21.36 | rps | toresbe, any idea when sarge will go frozen? |
| 06:21.40 | bbhill | Guerin: Oh, ok. Nevermind. |
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| 06:21.48 | toresbe | rps: WIR, SIYH :) |
| 06:21.52 | zakame | hi all |
| 06:21.53 | Guerin | rps: /topic |
| 06:22.04 | blackmariah | As much as I hate to add to the wall of questions, I'm going to anyway. In a few applications, notably XMMS and NEDIT, the fonts are freaking HUGE. Where should I be looking to fix this? |
| 06:22.04 | toresbe | rps: (When it's ready, sooner if you help) |
| 06:22.13 | jm_ | heh |
| 06:22.14 | gangbanger | trying to figure out another room on this server to test a data buffer |
| 06:22.18 | LootBeer | anyone can hekp me repair my x-windows? |
| 06:22.21 | bob2 | blackmariah: 'switch' from gtk-theme-switch |
| 06:22.26 | Guerin | blackmariah: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch; as user, run switch |
| 06:22.46 | Guerin | LootBeer: use X-gaffer-tape |
| 06:23.12 | bbhill | Guerin: I love you. Will you help me now? |
| 06:23.17 | gangbanger | another busy room ^ |
| 06:23.33 | bbhill | should I "switch t0 op3nb0x, n00b!"? |
| 06:23.44 | Guerin | bbhill: I don't care about your love; if you ask a specific question then I'll try and help you. |
| 06:23.55 | bbhill | Well that question was pretty specific I think. |
| 06:23.59 | Guerin | bbhill: well, openbox DOES have very configurable dockapp behavior |
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| 06:24.15 | Guerin | bbhill: no, it wasn't. I don't know what wm you're using, and how it manages dockapps. |
| 06:24.20 | bbhill | So what your telling me is that im being limited by fluxbox? |
| 06:24.34 | zakame | what's the command to duplicate CDs from cdrom to cdrw? |
| 06:24.42 | bbhill | You always make this so hard on me. One day, if I keep trying, i'll be a #debian question asking expert. |
| 06:24.45 | Guerin | bbhill: I don't know how fluxbox treats dockapps, sorry. Ask Phated, she used it for a while. |
| 06:24.46 | jm_ | zakame: use cdrdao |
| 06:24.56 | Guerin | bbhill: keep trying. |
| 06:25.02 | zakame | jm_: but isn't that for audio CDs only? |
| 06:25.07 | jm_ | zakame: no |
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| 06:25.09 | bob2 | no |
| 06:25.15 | zakame | oic, thanks! |
| 06:25.33 | zakame | i'm currently trying using cdrecord -isosize |
| 06:26.02 | Guerin | wmweather is shit, though |
| 06:26.05 | Guerin | in fact |
| 06:26.11 | Guerin | all dockapps seem to be sort of shit |
| 06:26.21 | Randall | wow, I can't even compile a 32-bit kernel while running a 32-bit kernel |
| 06:26.22 | bbhill | Guerin: Please teach me to be like you |
| 06:26.29 | Randall | cc1: error: code model ernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
| 06:26.33 | Guerin | it won't recognise my local weather station :( |
| 06:26.40 | blackmariah | Okay, that's not working... |
| 06:26.44 | bbhill | Oh.. I'm KIAD. It's 28 degrees F :( |
| 06:26.49 | Guerin | bbhill: read a lot, and try to think for yourself before asking questions. |
| 06:27.01 | zakame | Randall: heh |
| 06:27.22 | aliasptr | 10 F, feels like -1 F |
| 06:27.25 | toresbe | "<Guerin> Those windows are so dang small!" :) |
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| 06:27.42 | Guerin | my local doesn't have a XXXX code, yet somehow other weather apps seem to get info off it... |
| 06:27.45 | pwned | when I right click xmms, a grey menu with ugly fonts pops up. What type of menu is this? How can I make it fit my gnome theme? |
| 06:27.54 | bbhill | Guerin: Where are you? |
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| 06:28.04 | Guerin | pwned: it can't, it's gtk+ while gnome is gtk2 |
| 06:28.05 | blackmariah | pwned, I'm having that SAME issue. |
| 06:28.15 | pwned | Guerin, ah thanks |
| 06:28.21 | blackmariah | With huge purple fonts, right? |
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| 06:28.28 | Guerin | bbhill: apt-get install geoip-bin; geoiplookup <my.ip.add.ress> |
| 06:28.36 | zakame | bob2, jm_: seems that cdrecord -isosize -dao works too... |
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| 06:28.50 | Guerin | pwned: no, but you can change the theme with switch, make it look bearable |
| 06:29.02 | blackmariah | That isn't working here. :| |
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| 06:29.03 | Guerin | pwned: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch |
| 06:29.06 | bbhill | Guerin ok i'm doing that |
| 06:29.10 | pwned | thanks heaps Guerin |
| 06:29.18 | bbhill | Is this going to crash my box like the last time you helped me? |
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| 06:29.32 | Guerin | bbhill: what did I tell you to do which crashed your box? |
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| 06:30.07 | bbhill | Remember |
| 06:30.10 | Gwildor_ | hello? |
| 06:30.11 | bbhill | When you were in the middle of helping me |
| 06:30.19 | Gwildor_ | what is the command to re-cofigure X? |
| 06:30.21 | Guerin | no |
| 06:30.24 | bbhill | Told me to reboot, it fucked my machine up, and then when i got back in IRC you were idle :( |
| 06:30.27 | bbhill | WIth ALSA |
| 06:30.33 | Guerin | bbhill: oh, cry me a river. |
| 06:30.34 | aliasptr | Gwildor_,sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:30.41 | aliasptr | Gwildor_, or done as root |
| 06:30.44 | bbhill | Guerin: It wouldnt boot!! |
| 06:30.50 | blackmariah | WTF? Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed. |
| 06:30.55 | bbhill | Thank god Phated helped me fix it. |
| 06:31.06 | Gwildor_ | thnx :) |
| 06:31.11 | aliasptr | Gwildor_, no problem |
| 06:31.13 | Guerin | bbhill: that's why this channel is not #guerin - there are other people here |
| 06:31.18 | kevinz | i get into mess using aptitude, i want to clear all the remove jobs which suddenly comes out, can i only + them one by one? |
| 06:31.47 | jm_ | zakame: yeah, I forgot that cdrecord has DAO mode too (well it has it for ages, but I was used to my old copy) |
| 06:31.50 | bbhill | Guerin: Yeah man but you tricked me. |
| 06:31.54 | Guerin | oh ffs |
| 06:32.00 | rob0 | no group "wheel" in Debian, in Slackware I use that for sudo. Any suggestion of another existing group to use instead? Or just make a new one? |
| 06:32.08 | Guerin | rob0: don't. |
| 06:32.16 | Guerin | rob0: man sudoers |
| 06:32.20 | zakame | what's the toolset for doing packet writing with cdrws? I know udftools, but they seem to be difficult to handle... |
| 06:32.25 | bbhill | Guerin: Im serious! you told me to punch in all these commands, told me to reboot, then it broke in boot! |
| 06:32.27 | rob0 | I'm familiar with sudoers |
| 06:32.31 | zakame | jm_: heh, thanks anyway :D |
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| 06:32.59 | Guerin | rob0: i figured you might be; that's the best way to handle such things in debian. |
| 06:33.26 | bbhill | Guerin: Ah! The land of Bi Bim Bap! |
| 06:33.32 | bbhill | I learned a new command. |
| 06:33.40 | Guerin | bbhill: mmm, bibimbab |
| 06:33.48 | bbhill | WIth a nice side of gochujan! |
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| 06:34.42 | kevinz | aptitude just give me a long list of "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:" what can i do |
| 06:34.48 | Guerin | don't forget the kimchi |
| 06:35.01 | Guerin | kevinz: doesn't it have a "forget" option? |
| 06:35.07 | bbhill | Guerin: The normal kimchi or the little squares? |
| 06:35.37 | kevinz | Guerin: sorry i dont know |
| 06:35.43 | Guerin | bbhill: bibimbab always comes with paechu kimchi - the cabbage and red pepper stuff |
| 06:35.54 | bbhill | What is the name for the other kimchi? the squares |
| 06:36.02 | LootBeer | anyone can hep me repair my x-windows? |
| 06:36.11 | bbhill | !koreanfood |
| 06:36.11 | Guerin | bbhill: I don't know - we just call it white radish kimchi |
| 06:36.13 | bbhill | Ok good theres no rule |
| 06:36.26 | Randall | Loot: What are x-windows? |
| 06:36.27 | Guerin | LootBeer: I told you, use x-gaffer-tape to repair x-windows |
| 06:36.58 | bbhill | Guerin: Would you define yourself as pro or anti Jap Chae? |
| 06:37.15 | Guerin | bbhill: japchae is ok. |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | kevinz: if you don't want them removed, install them |
| 06:37.31 | LootBeer | Guerin>x-gaffer-tape?? |
| 06:37.32 | bbhill | Guerin: It sort of looks alive. Those clear noodles spook me out. |
| 06:37.35 | LootBeer | waz that> |
| 06:37.37 | LootBeer | ? |
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| 06:37.58 | kevinz | bob2: ah i see, but quite many, why does this happen?? |
| 06:38.06 | zakame | lol |
| 06:38.11 | bob2 | kevinz: meh |
| 06:38.57 | Guerin | bbhill: are you in korea? |
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| 06:39.08 | Penix | !srt ftp and firewalls |
| 06:39.13 | bbhill | Guerin: No. I am a chef, though. |
| 06:39.24 | Guerin | bbhill: heh, I was a chef. |
| 06:39.28 | Guerin | well, a cook. |
| 06:39.31 | bob2 | kevinz: if a package is only installed because something else Depended on it, then aptitude notes that |
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| 06:39.40 | bbhill | Guerin: Yeah, i've done like culinary school and all that - Career chef. |
| 06:39.42 | bob2 | kevinz: and when that original package is removed, the dependencies are removed as well |
| 06:39.45 | Guerin | wow, a proper chef |
| 06:40.05 | zakame | wow, chef executive? or sous? |
| 06:40.14 | bob2 | seriously, wtf has broken dns today |
| 06:40.18 | rob0 | bbhill: you're not Swedish are you? ;) |
| 06:40.28 | bbhill | sous. And no where fantastic. |
| 06:40.31 | aliasptr | deederdeder deeggdeshirde |
| 06:40.39 | kevinz | oh, i see, seems a very good manager |
| 06:40.44 | bbhill | Well, its good. But, not fantastic. |
| 06:40.55 | zakame | bbhill: why? |
| 06:41.19 | bbhill | zakame: I dont know, im 21, been out of school for about a year, no experience? |
| 06:41.51 | zakame | bbhill: heh, same here, but make that o-o-s xp 2years :P |
| 06:42.15 | Guerin | fuck, something just pwn3d all my cpu on my webserver |
| 06:42.20 | Guerin | for several minutes |
| 06:42.21 | rob0 | hey, at 21 you're not a career ANYTHING ... lot of changes can happen! |
| 06:42.28 | blackmariah | Anyone have any other suggestions on how to change the gtk theme? Switch does not work corectly here. |
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| 06:42.32 | toresbe | Guerin: you too? |
| 06:42.39 | zakame | Guerin: pwn3d??? |
| 06:42.43 | rob0 | hourly cron? |
| 06:42.47 | toresbe | Guerin: I had 99% CPU usage but top showed nothing |
| 06:43.01 | toresbe | Guerin: I rebooted with a shiny new kernel |
| 06:43.06 | jm_ | blackmariah: /msg dpkg gtk font size |
| 06:43.13 | Guerin | I'm just going through all my crontabs now. I think it might be a monthly or weekly logrotate gone bananas |
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| 06:43.50 | Eagle101 | help. Does anyone know why when i want to launch an application from the terminal, i get this error code...plese help...Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:43.50 | Eagle101 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 06:43.50 | Eagle101 | amarok: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 06:43.57 | blackmariah | jm_, damn, that's cool. I'll give what it says a shot. Thanks. |
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| 06:44.12 | bbhill | Guerin: I just remember one more. The gyoza. Thats japanese though I guess. |
| 06:44.18 | bbhill | But all the korean people make em too. |
| 06:45.13 | toresbe | bbhill: What's gyoza? I have a friend on IRC with that nick |
| 06:45.29 | bbhill | toresbe: A tasty dumpling filled with a mincemeat. |
| 06:45.37 | bbhill | toresbe: comes steamed, fried, or pan fried. |
| 06:45.43 | toresbe | bbhill: that's him allright :P |
| 06:45.55 | toresbe | argh P4|N |
| 06:45.56 | Guerin | bbhill: koreans call them mandu |
| 06:46.00 | Guerin | and they are tasty |
| 06:46.06 | bbhill | Oh yeah. like the soup. Mandoo-gook |
| 06:46.11 | Guerin | hrm, cron.daily on gmt, by the looks |
| 06:46.13 | toresbe | this %#%546456/% painful wound on my finger :S |
| 06:46.19 | Guerin | bbhill: that's the one. |
| 06:46.24 | shingouz | would you please stop talking about food here, im getting hungry again ;) |
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| 06:46.44 | toresbe | I'm going to go downstairs and eeeeeatt fooooood |
| 06:47.10 | zakame | bbhill: what's your cuisine? from what i'm reading, is it asian fusion? |
| 06:47.19 | bbhill | Guerin - I'd take bibim-nang-myun over bibimbap any day. |
| 06:47.20 | Guerin | hrm, how can I space the cron.daily scripts out, or throttle them somehow so they don't bring my box to its knees once per day |
| 06:47.23 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:47.26 | bbhill | zakame: I'm trained in classic french. |
| 06:47.33 | Guerin | bbhill: oh yeah, naengmyeon is the best. |
| 06:47.36 | bbhill | zakame: a la escoffier. |
| 06:47.55 | Guerin | bbhill: I cooked italian and indian for a while. |
| 06:48.06 | zakame | bbhill: oic, that's nice :) |
| 06:48.07 | bbhill | Guerin: My first job as a cook, before culinary school, was an indian restaurant. |
| 06:48.25 | Guerin | and tended bar and made espresso, and was a somellier for a lot longer |
| 06:48.34 | mordac | speaking of food.... any postfix/mysql wonks available? |
| 06:48.44 | Guerin | !dict wonk |
| 06:48.46 | bbhill | Guerin: Somellier!!! NICE |
| 06:48.46 | dpkg | Dictionary 'wonk' an insignificant student who is ridiculed as being affected or studying excessively |
| 06:48.50 | zakame | how about philippine adobo? |
| 06:48.56 | Guerin | bbhill: yeah. Was a wine buyer, too. |
| 06:48.58 | bbhill | WHats your grape? I'm into Rioja Crianza |
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| 06:49.10 | cdc | i want to configure alsa |
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| 06:49.11 | bbhill | Or Sancerre for white. |
| 06:49.22 | cdc | i ve got a problem with alsa though sound is working |
| 06:49.29 | Guerin | bbhill: riesling, from alsace or germany; burgundy; rhone. |
| 06:49.33 | cdc | i want to get alsa configured properly |
| 06:49.35 | cdc | how do i do that ? |
| 06:49.38 | bbhill | Guerin: Gewurztraminer? |
| 06:49.41 | bbhill | I love |
| 06:49.41 | bbhill | it |
| 06:50.06 | Guerin | bbhill: it's ok. Riesling is the king of white grapes, though. Oh, loire chenin, too. |
| 06:50.22 | bbhill | I dont know man sauvignon blanc is pretty good, i like grassy |
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| 06:50.38 | bbhill | Pomerol from bordeaux is killer too. |
| 06:50.39 | blackmariah | damn, no change :| |
| 06:50.40 | bbhill | for red. |
| 06:50.55 | zakame | hehe, sauvignon blanc... |
| 06:51.00 | cdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.00 | cdc | cdc i ve got a problem with alsa though sound is working |
| 06:51.02 | Guerin | gah |
| 06:51.14 | Guerin | I gome from the land of sauvignon, and I hate the stuff |
| 06:51.20 | Guerin | s/gome/come/ |
| 06:51.29 | bbhill | Guerin: Specifically, like I said, Sancerre. |
| 06:51.36 | bbhill | You dont like? |
| 06:51.50 | Guerin | bbhill: yeah, sancerre is ok. But most sauvignon is nothing like that. |
| 06:52.35 | bbhill | Guerin: I had a half bottle of Opus One 1998 the other week. |
| 06:52.41 | bbhill | Guerin: Reallly fantastic. |
| 06:53.20 | Guerin | bombshell in a bottle. Way overproced, though. |
| 06:53.23 | Guerin | priced |
| 06:53.24 | Guerin | gah |
| 06:53.45 | bbhill | Yep - Check out Bernkastler Badstube Riesling Kabinett. Really good, a bit sweet if you dont mind that. A fantastic buy. |
| 06:53.53 | bbhill | about 25$ US or so. |
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| 06:54.27 | bbhill | We should change the topic from wine to WINE |
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| 06:55.00 | zakame | yeah, speaking of that, is wine better than qemu? |
| 06:55.21 | Uni | they really aren't the same |
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| 06:55.43 | Uni | wine is a windows api emulator, qemu is a hardware emulator |
| 06:55.48 | zakame | Uni: yeah, they're not ;p |
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| 06:56.11 | az[a]zel | hey can wget handle files > 2GB ? |
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| 06:56.14 | az[a]zel | im trying to download an iso and wget stops at 2GB |
| 06:56.15 | az[a]zel | im using ext3 file system and kernel 2.6.. I have a 4GB file on that filesystem already, so I know it can handle it |
| 06:56.21 | Guerin | bbhill: In a couple weeks I get to go home and drink wine again. |
| 06:56.24 | bob2 | depends on the version of wget |
| 06:56.28 | Guerin | no use buying wine here. |
| 06:56.33 | wastrel | what package is host/hostx in? |
| 06:56.37 | az[a]zel | GNU Wget 1.9.1 |
| 06:56.43 | bbhill | Yeah buy yourself a bit of Jinro Sochu |
| 06:56.51 | bbhill | Tastes like washing your mouth out with a bar of soap |
| 06:56.52 | bob2 | !+find bin/host |
| 06:56.53 | Guerin | bbhill: that's the staple. |
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| 06:57.08 | Guerin | bbhill: naw, it's ok. Like cheap, sweet, weak vodka. |
| 06:57.20 | zakame | bbhill: heh |
| 06:57.41 | kevinz | hello, i just qt3-designer, but i dont know where to find any executable file to launch it, how can i find anything related? |
| 06:57.50 | nasty | eh, can't seem to find an iso that'll let me choose filesystems.. anyone know an ftp for a netinst iso that'll let me do this? |
| 06:57.50 | bbhill | Guerin: The problem is these upscale korean restaurants offer you only japanese beer, or soju.. And i'll take the soju. |
| 06:58.10 | bob2 | kevinz: dpkg -L qt3-designedr | grep bin |
| 06:58.14 | Eagle101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.20 | Eagle101 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
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| 06:58.27 | Eagle101 | amarok: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 06:58.40 | mcgirt | is there an X server running? did you xhost +localhost |
| 06:58.43 | wastrel | k thx |
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| 06:58.45 | kevinz | bob2: thanks |
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| 06:58.46 | bob2 | Eagle101: you need to ask more useful questions |
| 06:58.46 | Guerin | bbhill: or korean beer, which is 'orrible. Over here there are a bunch of traditional wines, too - made from berries, ginseng, plums, etc. |
| 06:58.52 | Guerin | they're pretty good |
| 06:58.55 | bob2 | Eagle101: for example, you forgot to mention that you used su |
| 06:59.23 | nasty | !tell nastjuid netinst iso reiserfs |
| 06:59.30 | nasty | >< |
| 06:59.33 | Eagle101 | bob2: yes i did used su. and i get this error even if i try to start a new X session |
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| 06:59.40 | bob2 | indeed |
| 06:59.47 | bob2 | Eagle101: use 'su -m' |
| 06:59.47 | bbhill | Guerin: Would be good with a nice slab of Kal-bi. |
| 07:00.06 | nasty | anyone know a netinst iso on an ftp that has reiserfs 4 support? |
| 07:00.07 | Guerin | ok, how to I figure out which script in my cron.daily run is taking fucking ages? |
| 07:00.14 | bbhill | You know, in the lettuce with the rice and the spicy gochujan |
| 07:00.19 | bbhill | Crisp! |
| 07:00.24 | bob2 | nasty: haha |
| 07:00.33 | nasty | bob2: ? |
| 07:00.37 | blackmariah | Alright, I tried to manually change the font in my .gtkrc, but that didn't work either. Crappy. |
| 07:00.37 | bob2 | Guerin: is your disk getting hammered? |
| 07:00.41 | bbhill | take out the e, change the s to a c |
| 07:00.47 | Guerin | bbhill: yeah, it's good shit. The raw seafood is worthy, too. |
| 07:00.51 | bbhill | ricerfs4 |
| 07:00.52 | Guerin | bob2: no, my cpu. |
| 07:00.57 | nasty | lol |
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| 07:01.02 | nasty | no really |
| 07:01.11 | az[a]zel | reiserfs 0wnz j00.. except when it hoses your files |
| 07:01.12 | Guerin | bob2: I think I blame awstats and logrotate |
| 07:01.25 | blackmariah | But, why would that apply to nedit anyway? It doesn't use gtk. Nor do any of the QT apps, unless I'm missing something, which is always a possibility... |
| 07:01.25 | Guerin | az[a]zel: and then you know you've been 0wn3d |
| 07:01.32 | nasty | i've downloaded like 5 netinst ISOs and they all force ext2/3... |
| 07:01.38 | bbhill | Guerin: Jam Pong! Or.. Shit what is it called... The noodles with the black sauce all over em with shrimp? |
| 07:01.46 | Guerin | blackmariah: configure qt apps through kcontrol |
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| 07:01.49 | bbhill | Jha Jam Yun |
| 07:01.50 | az[a]zel | nasty, if they were going to support reiser, it'd be v 3, not 4 |
| 07:01.56 | Guerin | bbhill: that's horrible stuff. |
| 07:02.08 | Guerin | bbhill: jjajjangmyeon |
| 07:02.08 | Eagle101 | bob2: thanks man, everything works now |
| 07:02.12 | Guerin | I can't stand it |
| 07:02.17 | nasty | az[a]zel: i'll go for v3, you know any netinst isos that will let me choose? |
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| 07:02.22 | bbhill | My korean spelling is limited exclusively to food. |
| 07:02.26 | Guerin | hehe |
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| 07:02.42 | az[a]zel | nasty, nope |
| 07:03.06 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, does anyone have experience with debmirror? I'm trying to do a variation of the example in the manpage |
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| 07:03.17 | mick_laptop | debmirror -a i386 -s main -h ftp.debian.org -d sid -d sarge /debian/mirror --nosource --progress |
| 07:03.19 | mick_laptop | only thats wrong because it does this: Mirroring to /debian/mirror from ftp://anonymous:ftp.debian.org//debian/ |
| 07:03.23 | mick_laptop | which doesn't work out (of course) |
| 07:03.39 | mick_laptop | besides taking off that "/" what else should i change? |
| 07:03.59 | bob2 | specify the path |
| 07:04.04 | bob2 | debmirror /blah/ ... |
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| 07:05.24 | mick_laptop | bob2: like -> debmirror ./debian/mirror -a i386 -s main -h ftp.debian.org -d sid -d sarge /debian/mirror --nosource --progress |
| 07:05.31 | bob2 | ues |
| 07:05.31 | zakame | is anyone packaging ncmpc? |
| 07:05.50 | mick_laptop | since the mirror is supposted to go in my current directory (under /debian/mirror) |
| 07:06.01 | blackmariah | Guerin: Thanks on the kcontrol thing. I don't use KDE, so I had no idea that QT apps were configured through it. |
| 07:06.08 | mick_laptop | well - i tried that only it seems to be doing the same thing |
| 07:06.24 | mick_laptop | Mirroring to ./debian/mirror from ftp://anonymous:ftp.debian.org//debian/ |
| 07:06.44 | bob2 | I don't see your actual problem |
| 07:06.55 | mick_laptop | it doesn't connect to that url |
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| 07:07.07 | stirling | where does debian store downloaded packages? |
| 07:07.17 | mick_laptop | in fact, i don't even think its a valid url to begin with |
| 07:07.31 | zakame | stirling: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:08.04 | zakame | mick_laptop: true, its ftp://anonymous@passwd:ftp.debian.org/ |
| 07:08.25 | mick_laptop | right |
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| 07:08.26 | bob2 | mick_laptop: your command line is wrong now |
| 07:08.32 | zakame | mick_laptop: where passwd is (presumably) your email addy... |
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| 07:09.23 | cunumen | is there some way to kill a program that kill doesn't seem to affect? |
| 07:09.24 | mick_laptop | bob2: i think you mean that my command is wrong |
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| 07:09.40 | bob2 | yes |
| 07:09.51 | mick_laptop | cunumen: are you root when you try top kill the process? |
| 07:09.58 | cunumen | yes |
| 07:10.07 | mick_laptop | bob2: that brings me to my original question ;) |
| 07:10.25 | mick_laptop | cunumen: is it always the same PID or a different one? |
| 07:10.31 | bob2 | mick_laptop: I don't see where you explained the problem |
| 07:10.36 | mick_laptop | it could be a fork bomb :) |
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| 07:10.52 | zakame | cunumen: kill -9? |
| 07:10.53 | cunumen | It is the same one, I can do it several times with no feedback |
| 07:11.46 | mick_laptop | ok, it wasn't formulated very well (and it looks more like a comment than a question) - i agree |
| 07:11.54 | toresbe | this is odd |
| 07:12.04 | zakame | what's ps axf | grep process look like? |
| 07:12.09 | toresbe | screen doesn't really support my terminal very well |
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| 07:12.45 | mick_laptop | what would i need to change in that command to make it download from the right url? |
| 07:12.55 | mick_laptop | "it" being debmirror |
| 07:13.03 | zakame | what 3d video card would you recommend for sarge? |
| 07:13.47 | jm_ | nvidia |
| 07:13.52 | mick_laptop | i googled my heart out on this one, but there seems to be 15 ways to mirror a debian mirror and all docs seem to be a bit lacking (only the manpage is concrete, but the examples fail) |
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| 07:13.56 | SleepyPete | anything that has drivers available for linux should work. I use NVidia myself. |
| 07:14.07 | mick_laptop | so i guess it isn't all that complete afterall :) |
| 07:14.11 | zakame | nvidia geforce fx? |
| 07:14.23 | jm_ | no, not fx - get 6600gt instead |
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| 07:14.31 | hogan | Other than the ~blade ISOs which don't appear to have been checked since debian site compromise, are there any recent-enough XFS ready debian installers about? |
| 07:14.34 | SleepyPete | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.52 | SleepyPete | I use Sid with kernel 2.6, but it works fine with woody and kernel 2.4. |
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| 07:15.15 | toresbe | Anyone here know much about screen? |
| 07:15.28 | zakame | currently I have geforce2mx 400, that's why i'm asking... i suppose that's right, since the drivers are already here... |
| 07:15.31 | blackmariah | My MX420 works fine in Sarge with 2.6. ;) |
| 07:15.37 | zakame | why not the fx? |
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| 07:15.41 | toresbe | I'm using a very old greenscreen terminal right now |
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| 07:15.55 | toresbe | and screen sooorta garbles it a bit |
| 07:16.00 | zakame | toresbe: how old? |
| 07:16.05 | zakame | hehe |
| 07:16.23 | toresbe | zakame: early 1980s |
| 07:16.24 | Randall | toresbe: What is $TERM before you start screen? |
| 07:16.24 | jm_ | fx is old, and costs just as much as 6600, and it's also slower |
| 07:16.34 | hogan | toresbe, I use screen every so often.. |
| 07:16.35 | toresbe | Randall: nd246 |
| 07:16.39 | hogan | on a Wyse60 |
| 07:16.46 | zakame | jm_: oic. thanks :D |
| 07:16.47 | hogan | I found at anything higher than 9600 BAUD I have problems |
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| 07:17.02 | zakame | toresbe: wow, that's old. |
| 07:17.02 | mick_laptop | i tried another example in the debmirror manpage, and it does the same thing (with the url) |
| 07:17.06 | mick_laptop | *sigh* |
| 07:17.09 | zakame | hogan: heh |
| 07:17.12 | toresbe | This one is quite obscure as it was rarely used with UNIX |
| 07:17.18 | Randall | toresbe: Well, you could always try vt102 or something. |
| 07:17.26 | toresbe | It was used with a proprietary text editing system |
| 07:17.26 | hogan | how good's the termcap file for it? |
| 07:17.32 | zakame | mick_laptop: heh, try and try till you die ;p |
| 07:17.36 | toresbe | hogan: It's unofficial |
| 07:17.48 | mick_laptop | debmirror /mirror/debian/non-US -h non-us.debian.org -r /debian-non-US -d sid/non-US -s main,contrib,non-free (i added: --no-source --progress to the example) |
| 07:18.08 | toresbe | hogan: Then you've got a fucked up flow control |
| 07:18.29 | hogan | sounds almost as bad as the one wire flow control on Tandy TRS80 serial port :) |
| 07:18.32 | toresbe | hogan: I'm running at 19200 baud now |
| 07:18.32 | hogan | RS232C |
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| 07:18.42 | hogan | I find I lose bits over 9600 |
| 07:18.49 | mick_laptop | debmirror seems to be a very evil script |
| 07:18.50 | hogan | I've got a cable run from my kitchen to my bedroom |
| 07:18.56 | mick_laptop | evil evil evil |
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| 07:18.59 | toresbe | hogan: oh - cable, perhaps? |
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| 07:19.05 | zakame | mick_laptop: why not rsync your way out of it? |
| 07:19.18 | mick_laptop | i tried that too |
| 07:19.19 | hogan | Yeah.. probably.. legacy equipment from my dad's old surgery practice management system |
| 07:19.26 | mick_laptop | different error |
| 07:19.30 | hogan | The hoarder in me saved it from dumpster :) |
| 07:19.30 | toresbe | hogan: Ooooh, cool |
| 07:19.46 | hogan | I wish I could successfully use WY60 mode.. |
| 07:19.50 | hogan | then I could set clock in status bar |
| 07:19.52 | toresbe | hogan: What was at the other end of the terminal? |
| 07:20.00 | hogan | but its firmware seems borked when I run known Wyse codes against it |
| 07:20.06 | hogan | Debian unstable on a PPro 200 |
| 07:20.14 | mick_laptop | zakame: it was a mac that i tried to rsync with |
| 07:20.17 | toresbe | hogan: No, I mean, originally? |
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| 07:20.21 | mick_laptop | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at /SourceCache/rsync/rsync-14/rsync/io.c(342) |
| 07:20.22 | kamusbr | procmail is a MDA? |
| 07:20.30 | mick_laptop | whatever that means |
| 07:20.31 | hogan | Umm.. Digital Concurrent DOS (CDOS) on a i386 |
| 07:20.39 | zakame | mick_laptop: oic |
| 07:20.46 | toresbe | hogan: Oh, cool. |
| 07:20.57 | hogan | Yeah.. was a weird multiwindowed version of dos.. |
| 07:21.05 | mick_laptop | verbatim from the manpage: debmirror -e rsync -r :debian debian/mirror/ |
| 07:21.08 | toresbe | hogan: This here terminal has the coolest ever array of keys |
| 07:21.12 | hogan | kinda fun in a way .. like the whole ctrl+alt+f1.. f2 thing in linux |
| 07:21.14 | hogan | hehehehehe |
| 07:21.17 | zakame | hogan: heh, there's copies of that floating around... |
| 07:21.20 | hogan | PF99? :) |
| 07:21.20 | hogan | hehehe |
| 07:21.37 | toresbe | hogan: It's got 11 arrow keys |
| 07:21.41 | jm_ | deskview provided that for regular dos too |
| 07:22.11 | hogan | HAHAHAHA RE arrow keys.. geeezus |
| 07:22.35 | hogan | Just quick mention on my original question :) ... anyone got prefs on which XFS installer disk to use? |
| 07:22.44 | toresbe | hogan: But most importantly, it works with bsd-tetris :) |
| 07:22.48 | hogan | HAHAHAh |
| 07:23.02 | hogan | The Wyse60 I have, has a normal 102 key keyboard |
| 07:23.11 | hogan | except there's a "Select" key in corner |
| 07:23.30 | toresbe | hmm, I seem to have managed to bork flow control here, too |
| 07:23.33 | toresbe | damnit... |
| 07:23.38 | toresbe | I'll brb |
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| 07:23.47 | Guerin | is there a better way to log cpu usage than to run a ps aux and awk >> file every minute? |
| 07:23.52 | Guerin | i mean, there has to be |
| 07:23.54 | jm_ | Guerin: sar |
| 07:24.08 | mike | hey, what package do i need to install to open rar files |
| 07:24.17 | zakame | mick_laptop: unrar? |
| 07:24.17 | jm_ | mike: unrar or rar |
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| 07:24.34 | zakame | yep sar |
| 07:24.37 | hogan | Mike - there's an unofficial apt respository for rar2.8 something - same as one you use for DVD stuff |
| 07:24.50 | hogan | As I think there's two versions of rar |
| 07:24.57 | mike | :-\ |
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| 07:25.10 | hogan | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 07:25.22 | hogan | (has libdvdcss or whatever it is along with rar2.80 I think |
| 07:25.23 | mike | im using sarge |
| 07:25.30 | hogan | hrrmm |
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| 07:25.47 | hogan | guerin - could you parse the output of the ps command.. |
| 07:25.51 | hogan | \and then somehow database it? |
| 07:26.03 | drac | mike, there is unrar-nonfree, it can open also winrar 3.x files. |
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| 07:26.43 | jm_ | hogan: why unofficial when there's 3.x in official ones? |
| 07:27.05 | hogan | I dunno.. last time I tried rar and unrar they didn't work well |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | hogan: that's what I was going to do, but it seems there's already a tool to do it |
| 07:27.49 | hogan | Oh well.. RE my XFS stuff I guess I'll stick with ~blade disc.. |
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| 07:28.04 | hogan | anyone got any ideas when we'll see i386 d-i disc with XFS? |
| 07:28.14 | zakame | |
| 07:28.29 | Nurbs | doesn't d-i do XFS? |
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| 07:28.37 | hogan | I dunno.. |
| 07:28.37 | mick_laptop | zakame: tabs are not always your friends |
| 07:28.37 | wobbler | yes |
| 07:28.43 | hogan | I haven't used an installer since the old one.. |
| 07:28.55 | hogan | is the official image now d-i? or do I have to dig deep somewhere for a beta? |
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| 07:29.08 | jm_ | hogan: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:29.10 | LootBeer | i hoesd my XFree86, can u ppl help? |
| 07:29.12 | wobbler | the new d-i has XFS |
| 07:29.25 | tore-oldterm | Hehe, now it works |
| 07:29.25 | tore-oldterm | without screen, thisngs work perfectlyy |
| 07:29.41 | hogan | "thisngs " |
| 07:29.42 | hogan | :) |
| 07:29.54 | tore-oldterm | argh |
| 07:29.56 | hogan | I smell backspace char err :) |
| 07:30.04 | tore-oldterm | well, things scroll verry verryryry fast here :) |
| 07:30.10 | hogan | :) |
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| 07:30.24 | tore-oldterm | eeek, no, doesn't really work here either |
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| 07:30.35 | tore-oldterm | I'd actually prefer the way screen does things :) |
| 07:30.41 | tore-oldterm | *quits* |
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| 07:32.09 | kevinz | i come across some problem about font size in kde while previous using gdm, such as characters in xchat are too small. it seems a common problem between kde and gnome, is there any place where i can find solution for it? |
| 07:32.34 | Guerin | LootBeer: ask your question |
| 07:32.43 | zakame | hi |
| 07:32.57 | hogan | thanks for di pointer folks.. |
| 07:33.07 | hogan | I think I'll give RC2 a go |
| 07:33.35 | LootBeer | Guerin> i used aptitude, it emoved many stuff, im only left with cli, no gui... |
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| 07:33.42 | LootBeer | pls help! |
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| 07:34.20 | hipp | POLL: What desktop manager is most appropriate for a serrver which IS running X? |
| 07:34.32 | drac | !polls |
| 07:34.32 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:34.47 | zakame | about that nvidia geforce 6600, is that workable on a kt266a mobo? does it require additional wattage? |
| 07:35.09 | hipp | drac, gnome appropriate for a desktop manager for a server? |
| 07:35.24 | hipp | drac, like which one runs down the cpu? |
| 07:35.30 | zakame | hipp: hopp along :D |
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| 07:35.42 | hipp | zakame, lol! |
| 07:35.46 | zakame | no, ion2 or ratpoison or twm |
| 07:35.50 | drac | hipp, what dpkg said. and xfce rules. :p |
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| 07:36.00 | SleepyPete | I think the higher-end nvidias draw power from a PSU connector too? not sure though, as I've not owned one |
| 07:36.04 | zakame | drac: hehe |
| 07:36.09 | hipp | drac, he didnt say anything |
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| 07:37.09 | zakame | SleepyPete: yeah, i head the 6800 needed 2 power supply lines, so that it requires a 480w... |
| 07:38.06 | jcook | does anyone know of an app that will turn off/on my screen ? |
| 07:38.27 | cat | how come i cant get my mame working? |
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| 07:39.06 | jm_ | jcook: ehh? |
| 07:39.13 | zakame | jcook: the power button. |
| 07:39.31 | Guerin | jm_: thanks, sar seems to be doing most of the business ... though not telling me exactly which process is eating things up, I should be able to triangulate from there. |
| 07:39.36 | zakame | jcook: seriously, xscreensaver can do that provided there's PM... |
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| 07:40.16 | zakame | cat: do you know how to get it working? |
| 07:40.27 | jcook | zakame: no ... acpi lid event ... the screen is not turned off when the lid is closed .... im looking for some software to put into acpid for the lid event |
| 07:40.43 | Gwildor | hello |
| 07:40.48 | zakame | jcook: for a laptop? |
| 07:40.58 | jcook | zakame: hence the lid |
| 07:41.34 | zakame | jcook: that depends on the laptop, i think... there a re kernel options also, though i think that's for dell, toshiba nd asus... |
| 07:41.47 | jcook | zakame: dell i8600 |
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| 07:42.33 | Guerin | LootBeer: did anyone tell you to apt-get install x-windo-system-core yet? |
| 07:42.41 | Guerin | s/windo/window/ |
| 07:42.54 | minnime | Hello, on my system only usernames with a leading non-digit allowed could I disable this for getting usernames like 5012 ?! |
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| 07:43.54 | hogan | minnime - that's a bad idea.. |
| 07:43.55 | toresbe | OMIGOD - you know what this means? |
| 07:43.59 | hogan | very bad idea |
| 07:44.06 | minnime | hogan: why ? |
| 07:44.10 | hogan | Users all have UIDs assigned to them.. |
| 07:44.22 | hogan | things start getting really messy and confusing if you allow leading numbers for usernames |
| 07:44.27 | hogan | especially commands which accept both |
| 07:44.41 | Elladan | Stupid question: Is there some way to validate all the files on a debian system against what's in the original .debs? |
| 07:44.47 | zakame | jcook: i think you should take a look at your kernel setup, then apt-cache search dell... |
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| 07:45.06 | zakame | Elladan: aide? cruft? |
| 07:45.21 | LootBeer | Gueri tried, but my sources list always get error, unable tio hit the mirrors |
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| 07:45.41 | Elladan | ~ |
| 07:46.20 | zakame | minnime: why do you want to do that? stick to IUDs then... |
| 07:46.34 | hogan | zakame.. I think you mean UIDs :) |
| 07:46.39 | zakame | s/IU/UI/ |
| 07:46.39 | Elladan | zakame: Neither of those work with the source debs though :-( |
| 07:46.41 | hogan | IUD is a VERY different thing :) |
| 07:46.42 | minnime | its ok i dont gonna do it |
| 07:47.40 | Elladan | zakame: aide is for security auditing, and cruft is for cleaning up... I just want to find out if there are any packages that need reinstalling. |
| 07:48.05 | Elladan | zakame: I had an ext3 FS fall apart a bit. |
| 07:48.43 | debian | Elladan: You might as well reinstall all |
| 07:49.14 | Elladan | debian: I could do that, too. Does apt have an "all" command? |
| 07:49.28 | debian | Elladan: what? |
| 07:49.35 | vulture | Alleria: which would do what exactly? |
| 07:49.57 | Elladan | debian: Or do I need to snip out a list of packages? |
| 07:50.03 | debian | !reinstall |
| 07:50.03 | dpkg | reinstall is probably cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 07:50.09 | Elladan | Heh |
| 07:50.18 | zakame | Elladan: true, use dselect or aptitude instead... |
| 07:50.20 | debian | Elladan: look like you're not alone |
| 07:50.26 | jm_ | Elladan: try debsums |
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| 07:50.42 | Elladan | Heh, I already wrote the second one |
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| 07:50.54 | Elladan | ... for python, some of it looked corrupted |
| 07:50.57 | peterS | oh dear |
| 07:51.04 | john | Hey, what's a program to unrar a file? unrar? lol |
| 07:51.12 | Guerin | hrm, am I not supposed to be able to run date +'%Y%m%d' as a user? |
| 07:51.18 | Skiver | yes |
| 07:51.20 | Skiver | unrar |
| 07:51.27 | zakame | john: lol |
| 07:51.29 | jm_ | Guerin: no, it works OK |
| 07:51.30 | Guerin | every time I do, I get date: too many non-option arguments |
| 07:51.31 | stirling | how do i make a custom debian kernel? |
| 07:51.32 | peterS | !reinstall =~ s#cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed#grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status# |
| 07:51.32 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 07:51.36 | peterS | UUOC |
| 07:51.43 | markybob | Guerin, then how about you do man unrar |
| 07:51.46 | john | Well, the only package I have available is unrar(non-free) |
| 07:51.59 | Guerin | !confuse markybob |
| 07:52.00 | dpkg | Yes, who is our ferret today, markybob? wellies of the democracy of belarus with extra ham |
| 07:52.14 | markybob | democracy's overrated. |
| 07:52.21 | zakame | heh |
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| 07:52.36 | Guerin | but as root it works as expected |
| 07:52.40 | debian | markybob: yeah, I for one welcome our new tyranny overload |
| 07:53.08 | dodgyville | When not running XFree, how do I change the console from 125x48 to 80x20? |
| 07:53.17 | mike | hi, im trying to install a sound card. I have apt-gettered the sound card drivers (alsa). to test it, i typed modprobe soundcore and then modprobe snd-als4000 what have i done wrong as sound still does not continue to work... |
| 07:53.29 | kromagg | ehm that first one of reinstall selects a whole bunch of not-installed packages? |
| 07:53.35 | CAiRO | what's the problem when wget exits with 'Bus error'? |
| 07:53.49 | peterS | mike: try modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 07:53.57 | zakame | why is porn-get not in main? |
| 07:54.04 | Gnea | heh |
| 07:54.14 | Elladan | jm_: thanks |
| 07:54.17 | peterS | zakame: probably because tarzeau already has 300 other packages |
| 07:54.28 | mike | peterS: can i send u the output in a pm? |
| 07:54.39 | peterS | mike: no, just describe what it did |
| 07:54.44 | mike | peterS: errors |
| 07:54.55 | peterS | and what is "it"? the modprobe? |
| 07:55.02 | Guerin | zakame: search the debian-devel archive for hot-babe |
| 07:55.08 | mike | peterS: alsa/snd-page-alloc.o: unresolved symbol vmalloc_to_page_Readc6403 |
| 07:55.17 | peterS | Guerin: but porn-get has existed a lot longer than the debian hot-babe fun |
| 07:55.25 | Guerin | peterS: oh, I know. |
| 07:55.31 | mike | peterS: whatever that means |
| 07:55.45 | zakame | Guerin: believe me, i already have the complete archive |
| 07:55.47 | peterS | mike: ok, that's odd. have you got alsa modules compiled for the same kernel as you're running? |
| 07:56.11 | Gnea | wow |
| 07:56.22 | Gnea | sid is so utterly and painfully broken it's not even funny |
| 07:56.25 | mike | mike: i didn't compile them into the kernel, i just apt-geted my drivers and tried modprobe |
| 07:56.30 | zakame | peterS: yep, and i think it wasn't marred by as much controversy as hot-babe, since *it* actually does something, like exchanging fliuds.. |
| 07:56.38 | Gnea | even the bug reporting software is broken |
| 07:56.38 | zakame | s/iu/ui/ |
| 07:56.58 | peterS | mike: so you have alsa-modules-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 07:57.09 | mike | peterS: yes |
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| 07:57.20 | peterS | mike: I ask because your error message makes me think the alsa modules were compiled for the wrong kernel |
| 07:57.48 | mike | peterS: oh ok, they are right |
| 07:57.56 | tarzeau | zakame, peterS because it's not scalable |
| 07:58.05 | tarzeau | zakame: and not decentralized |
| 07:58.09 | peterS | oh hello there, tarzeau (: |
| 07:58.11 | bob2 | tarzeau: hola |
| 07:58.15 | tarzeau | good morning |
| 07:58.40 | zakame | tarzeau: would you entertain bugfixes so it gets to sarge before release :D |
| 07:58.46 | tarzeau | it is interesting how someone can only have 4 source packages but 60 binary packages |
| 07:58.52 | tarzeau | look at the one who maintains cernlib |
| 07:59.03 | bob2 | tarzeau: X has a similar ratio |
| 07:59.07 | tarzeau | zakame: heh funny, why not! |
| 07:59.17 | peterS | heh, true enough |
| 07:59.23 | Gnea | tarzeau: you're aware that omniweb is for macosx only r ight? |
| 07:59.28 | tarzeau | Gnea: no |
| 07:59.34 | tarzeau | Gnea: it's also for NeXTSTEP and OPENSTEP |
| 07:59.35 | Gnea | that's BS |
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| 07:59.42 | Gnea | uh |
| 07:59.45 | Gnea | those are WMs |
| 07:59.49 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:59.52 | tarzeau | Gnea: NO! they are not WMs |
| 07:59.53 | zakame | finally, a good excuse to dselect update: alsa-source 1.0.8... |
| 08:00.04 | Gnea | just gimme something that'll work in linux |
| 08:00.07 | tarzeau | Gnea: they are complete operating systems (with a mach kernel) |
| 08:00.15 | tarzeau | Gnea: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 08:00.17 | Gnea | i don't have the time to deal with that |
| 08:00.18 | jm_ | indeed, and full development suite |
| 08:00.24 | tarzeau | Gnea: linux does not have a good web browser |
| 08:00.24 | zakame | Gnea: that's a good way to break tarzeau's day :( |
| 08:00.43 | tarzeau | zakame: nah. it needs alot much more to break my day. and it started excellent |
| 08:00.54 | tarzeau | jm_: :) |
| 08:01.10 | bob2 | tarzeau: port firefox to gnustep |
| 08:01.12 | zakame | tarzeau: that's nice to hear :D |
| 08:01.27 | Gnea | look, i simply don't have the time or patience to learn a whole new OS |
| 08:01.55 | tarzeau | bob2: apple has done an objective-c++ wrapper around the khtml render engine |
| 08:02.00 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:02.04 | Gnea | if debian can be fixed and improved, then great, at least give us a working method to report bugs |
| 08:02.06 | tarzeau | bob2: and camino is one of the firefox one |
| 08:02.08 | zakame | Gnea: then make time, make patience :D like they're too difficult to procure.. |
| 08:02.13 | Gnea | otherwise, debian has gone purely to shit |
| 08:02.17 | bob2 | tarzeau: can camino build against openstep? |
| 08:02.18 | tarzeau | bob2: but gnu gcc doesn't yet support objective-c++ |
| 08:02.32 | tarzeau | bob2: yes it could. if gnu gcc had not only objective-c |
| 08:02.35 | bob2 | Gnea: reportbug doesn't work? |
| 08:02.38 | bob2 | tarzeau: ah |
| 08:02.55 | bob2 | tarzeau: er, doesn't mac os X use gcc as it's compiler? |
| 08:03.04 | Gnea | bob2: well i was trying out some of the GUI frontends, they're broken.. lemme give this a shot |
| 08:03.06 | tarzeau | bob2: yes but a modified one |
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| 08:03.18 | tarzeau | bob2: and no gnu doesn't incorporate the changes from apple just so |
| 08:03.21 | bob2 | Gnea: they al sucked last I checked |
| 08:03.24 | bob2 | tarzeau: oh |
| 08:03.34 | bob2 | objectiv-c++ sounds so utterly wrong |
| 08:03.34 | tarzeau | bob2: even NeXSTEP 1989 had gcc |
| 08:03.41 | tarzeau | bob2: it is. |
| 08:03.41 | toresbe | you know what's fun? |
| 08:03.47 | zakame | toresbe: what? |
| 08:03.54 | toresbe | Logging #debian to a matrix printer |
| 08:04.01 | bob2 | tarzeau: hah |
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| 08:04.04 | tarzeau | bob2: because c++ is wrong |
| 08:04.14 | bob2 | toresbe: run it into festival |
| 08:04.16 | vulture | tarzeau: hardly |
| 08:04.23 | YoussefAssad | morning; innocent question. Does ubuntu use the same ncurses install debian uses? |
| 08:04.25 | toresbe | bob2: Yess! |
| 08:04.29 | bob2 | tarzeau: I can't even imagine objective C merging with C++ |
| 08:04.35 | bob2 | YoussefAssad: you can check |
| 08:04.45 | vulture | bob2: I think I'd pass out if I ever did. |
| 08:04.46 | zakame | toresbe: hehe |
| 08:04.48 | bob2 | YoussefAssad: I really doubt it's modified in any important way |
| 08:04.53 | markybob | YoussefAssad, google for a review of ubuntu |
| 08:04.58 | YoussefAssad | bob2: I haven't seen the debian one in years, just wondering |
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| 08:05.14 | bob2 | the simple syntax of objective C combined with the elegance of C++ |
| 08:05.17 | zakame | toresbe: i have an epson lx-800 now, maybe i can just do that... lemme configure cupsys first... |
| 08:05.23 | zakame | guys, what's your cupsys? |
| 08:05.23 | YoussefAssad | See, all I need to know is if it will resize fat32 non-destructively. Been googling for a while now |
| 08:05.24 | peterS | bob2: hehe |
| 08:05.36 | YoussefAssad | Either my google fu sucks or it doesn't |
| 08:05.42 | zakame | YoussefAssad: fips? |
| 08:05.43 | DerJamster | zakame: Is that the geek version of asking one's sign? ;P |
| 08:05.49 | bob2 | YoussefAssad: er, that has nothing to do with ncurses |
| 08:06.01 | peterS | YoussefAssad: I expect it does. it's based on parted, which should handle fat32 with no problem |
| 08:06.10 | zakame | DerJamster: probably, but really just for golfing off :p |
| 08:06.14 | bob2 | oh, I misinterpreted you |
| 08:06.19 | YoussefAssad | bob2: I know :) I was just using ncurses as a qualifier for the installer :) |
| 08:06.38 | toresbe | Aaaaargh |
| 08:06.47 | YoussefAssad | peterS: Hmm. Alright. I'll google a bit more. Problem is, it's the sales director's laptop, and I don't want to mess up. |
| 08:06.49 | toresbe | You know what sucks about orphanages? |
| 08:07.03 | toresbe | All the f'ing BUREAUCRACY |
| 08:07.04 | peterS | YoussefAssad: well, the debian installer actually doesn't use ncurses, I believe |
| 08:07.12 | markybob | YoussefAssad, why dont you resize it within windows, then? |
| 08:07.20 | toresbe | I have two meetings today |
| 08:07.28 | zakame | markybob: heh, of partition magic... |
| 08:07.31 | bob2 | toresbe: buy children on the black market |
| 08:07.33 | bob2 | less hassle |
| 08:07.46 | YoussefAssad | peterS: oh. I just assumed... looked ncurses based. Pardon my ignorance :\ |
| 08:07.46 | toresbe | bob2: I live here :P |
| 08:07.48 | zakame | bob2: hehe, comes with pets too |
| 08:07.58 | markybob | zakame, ? |
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| 08:08.10 | toresbe | bob2: Will a black market kid clean my room? |
| 08:08.11 | zakame | markybob: s/of/on/ |
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| 08:08.16 | YoussefAssad | markybob: I'd love to. I checked in the Disk Administration section ,right clicked on the fat32 partition, and there was no resize option |
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| 08:08.17 | peterS | YoussefAssad: I am easily confused by the ncurses lookalike libraries out there, but I think the debian installer (including the old one and the new one) uses whiptail |
| 08:08.23 | toresbe | I have a big chest here I could probably stuff him/her in |
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| 08:08.33 | zakame | peterS: yep, it does use whiptail... |
| 08:08.47 | markybob | YoussefAssad, that's what they made edonkey for |
| 08:08.51 | YoussefAssad | peterS: I think you're right. I reember reading that way back when I used to be a debian user |
| 08:08.53 | Phated | bbhill: You can right-click on the edge of the screen that the dockapp is in and choose where you want it under Slit Placement. |
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| 08:09.07 | YoussefAssad | markybob: heh... I'm on a 33600 here :) |
| 08:09.15 | markybob | YoussefAssad, oh lord |
| 08:09.18 | Phated | Honestly though Openbox has a more configurable dock. |
| 08:09.22 | YoussefAssad | markybob: indeed. |
| 08:09.47 | toresbe | How do you get to the end of a line in vim? |
| 08:09.56 | bob2 | toresbe: $ |
| 08:09.58 | Phated | toresbe: "End"? |
| 08:10.02 | toresbe | bob2: Thank ye |
| 08:10.36 | neyc0 | can someone tell me how to change ip on debian please? |
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| 08:10.47 | jm_ | neyc0: man interfaces |
| 08:10.51 | bob2 | neyc0: dhcp or static? |
| 08:10.59 | neyc0 | static |
| 08:11.03 | zakame | neyc0: poff -r on ppp |
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| 08:11.08 | bob2 | neyc0: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:11.53 | dodgyville | How do I resize the console in debian? |
| 08:12.05 | tarzeau | dodgyville: framebuffer or textmode? |
| 08:12.14 | dodgyville | tarzeau: textmode |
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| 08:12.21 | bob2 | what's the name of that hormone involved in sleep that starts with 'm' |
| 08:12.22 | jm_ | dodgyville: vga= or stm |
| 08:12.22 | bob2 | ? |
| 08:12.24 | tarzeau | dodgyville: svgatextmode |
| 08:12.31 | AnotherData | Hi I just installed debian sarge on a extra pc and I cannot get my ps/2 mouse to work |
| 08:12.31 | YoussefAssad | parted /dev/tty* |
| 08:12.34 | Phated | bob2: Melatonin. |
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| 08:12.39 | bob2 | Phated: ah, thanks |
| 08:12.41 | YoussefAssad | gah; partition burnout |
| 08:12.42 | Phated | :) |
| 08:12.42 | karsten | dodgyville: aptitude install svgatextmode |
| 08:12.48 | toresbe | Phated: This KB has a host of keys, none of which are labelled end :) |
| 08:12.53 | toresbe | Phated: (11 arrow keys!) |
| 08:13.01 | Phated | toresbe: o.O WTF for? |
| 08:13.10 | neyc0 | zakame: interfaces doesn't contain any ips... :/ |
| 08:13.24 | markybob | neyc0, man interfaces |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | dodgyville: you can set a fixed console size at boot with 'vga=<foo>'. svgatextmode allows resizing console. |
| 08:13.41 | karsten | jm_: Do you know if svgatextmode is compatible with fb? |
| 08:13.47 | bob2 | neyc0: than paste it to #flod |
| 08:13.48 | dodgyville | karsten: I'm running sarge PPC. I don't think it uses lilo. |
| 08:13.52 | bob2 | er, #flood |
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| 08:13.54 | neyc0 | oh |
| 08:13.55 | neyc0 | thanx |
| 08:14.04 | karsten | bob2: Marriage? |
| 08:14.08 | peterS | karsten: I doubt they're compatible. two fundamentally different approaches to the problem |
| 08:14.11 | jm_ | karsten: I never used FB, but I'd say no since it reprogrames the card |
| 08:14.13 | bob2 | karsten: zing! |
| 08:14.17 | zakame | neyc0: true, that's why i said poff -r on ppp, assuming a dialup... |
| 08:14.23 | Gnea | bob2: bug reported. |
| 08:14.36 | peterS | karsten: if you want a fb, you want to use fbset to program it, I think |
| 08:14.38 | Gnea | tho it's taking awhile for it to show up on the BTS site |
| 08:14.46 | karsten | dodgyville: Um. vga= is independent of LILO, though I'm not sure how it extends to other arches. I *think* VGA is x-platform though. |
| 08:14.48 | toresbe | Phated: things like next word, next sentence etc |
| 08:14.54 | YoussefAssad | Hmm. Knoppix might help |
| 08:14.54 | toresbe | Phated: It's a really cool terminal |
| 08:14.56 | Phated | toresbe: Good lord. |
| 08:14.57 | AnotherData | I chose tty1/2/3/4 I cannot remember which but I think it was psaux I was supposed to choose.. |
| 08:14.59 | jm_ | Gnea: yes, you'll get a mail when it's there |
| 08:15.01 | karsten | jm_: Thanks, that's what I thought: incompatible. |
| 08:15.02 | toresbe | Phated: Greenscreen :) |
| 08:15.08 | Phated | Erh... |
| 08:15.16 | karsten | bob2: ;-) |
| 08:15.23 | karsten | bob2: ...though if you've got a whore moaning about your marriage, you've got issues. |
| 08:15.26 | dodgyville | karsten: So where would I put "vga=ask", there's no lilo.conf |
| 08:15.40 | Elladan | Hmm, I think I see how ext3 might have corrupted. |
| 08:15.43 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: The terminal just called. It doesn't like it when you expose yourself to it. |
| 08:15.45 | karsten | dodgyville: In your bootloader, where kernel options go. |
| 08:15.46 | Guerin | !badpunsmite karsten |
| 08:15.57 | Elladan | I get the feeling errors=remount-ro and laptop-mode are probably not a good combination. |
| 08:16.01 | karsten | dodgyville: What's PPC bootloader? |
| 08:16.15 | bob2 | dodgyville: /etc/yaboot.conf |
| 08:16.16 | dodgyville | karsten: I think yaboot |
| 08:16.28 | peterS | there are a few choices. yaboot, quik, maybe one or two others |
| 08:16.32 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: I know it well enough... it does. |
| 08:16.34 | peterS | depending on the type of ppc |
| 08:16.38 | karsten | dodgyville: bob2 or simonrvn know more about that than I. |
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| 08:16.47 | karsten | simonrvn: You use yaboot? |
| 08:16.50 | bob2 | dodgyville: new world machine? |
| 08:16.59 | scarynetworkguy | toresbe: No it really doesn't. It rather wants out. |
| 08:17.00 | karsten | dodgyville: Suggest you RT the FM. |
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| 08:17.08 | karsten | Um. s/T// |
| 08:17.09 | Elladan | I'm thinking, you're in laptop-mode, so you've got a bunch of stuff in the write queue, including journal. And then you run into a disk error and the kernel goes nuts setting the ro bit on the filesystem. |
| 08:17.29 | bob2 | Elladan: I don't know if that's less safe than writing broken data out |
| 08:17.30 | dodgyville | karsten: According to the FM, it all auto-configures now. |
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| 08:17.37 | jm_ | Elladan: the same might happen even if you're not in laptop-mode |
| 08:17.42 | dodgyville | bob2: ibook2 |
| 08:17.47 | Elladan | bob2: Well, it's not broken data if you got an io error. |
| 08:17.48 | bob2 | dodgyville: yaboot then |
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| 08:18.03 | Elladan | jm_: Yeah, but there's a shorter window. |
| 08:18.06 | karsten | dodgyville: No manual override? (And *not* in the Cryptonomicon sense). |
| 08:18.09 | bob2 | Elladan: writing when the hardware is throwing errors seems bad, too |
| 08:18.24 | Elladan | bob2: I don't think so. At least, not for read errors. |
| 08:18.37 | stian | how do I change to sid i my sources list? |
| 08:18.46 | Elladan | bob2: Hard disks are within spec when they return read errors, it's just a lot probability event. |
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| 08:19.01 | Elladan | bob2: er, "Low probability" |
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| 08:19.33 | bob2 | Elladan: if the OS hears about it, you have problems...the hardware does a bunch of retries itself |
| 08:19.37 | bob2 | iirc |
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| 08:19.47 | AnotherData | do i ahve to edit the xf86config file? |
| 08:19.47 | AnotherData | have* |
| 08:19.57 | jm_ | it even remaps bad sectors internally, until it runs out of them |
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| 08:20.14 | jm_ | then it's error= status= land |
| 08:20.17 | Elladan | bob2: No... The disk does some retries, but it can't guarantee that all writes to the platter can be read back. If it can't correct it, it'll return an error. |
| 08:20.27 | bob2 | right |
| 08:20.54 | Elladan | bob2: If you then overwrite the sector, it will generally test the sector to see if the write takes, though. |
| 08:21.29 | Elladan | jm_: Right, but it can only remap on write or read recovery. It can't remap on read-fail. |
| 08:22.00 | Elladan | jm_: It can mark the sector suspicious though, which it will do in practice AFAIK. |
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| 08:24.57 | markybob | does anyone know when amd will roll out the first dual-core opterons? |
| 08:25.24 | Guerin | markybob: wtr |
| 08:25.31 | Guerin | markybob: nsiyh |
| 08:25.42 | markybob | Guerin, ah, of course |
| 08:25.52 | jm_ | markybob: sites like the inquirer and the register often publish roadmaps for CPU manufacturers, try to find it (but it's all just plans, it usually gets delayed) |
| 08:26.31 | markybob | thanks |
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| 08:30.31 | toresbe | :P |
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| 08:31.23 | OxD2 | hi all |
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| 08:34.38 | john | what's good cd-ripping software? |
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| 08:34.48 | jm_ | cdparanoia |
| 08:34.54 | john | ty |
| 08:35.02 | jm_ | or abcde if you want to create ogg or mp3 files |
| 08:35.03 | streuner_ | john: man apt-cache search? |
| 08:35.11 | OxD2 | m |
| 08:35.20 | OxD2 | guys .... i have a little problem with netfilter and squid ... |
| 08:35.26 | OxD2 | can any1 help me a little ... |
| 08:35.36 | toresbe | We can help you |
| 08:35.44 | OxD2 | thanks |
| 08:35.47 | toresbe | if you just ask the question |
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| 08:35.51 | dave_n | i need to convert an avi (divx) to a mpeg, any suggestions on a good tool to use under linux? |
| 08:35.56 | toresbe | people might |
| 08:35.57 | toresbe | answer |
| 08:36.04 | toresbe | -drunken haiku- |
| 08:36.09 | OxD2 | vwell ... |
| 08:36.12 | jm_ | dave_n: try mencoder or transcode |
| 08:36.12 | OxD2 | so ... |
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| 08:36.23 | OxD2 | the problem is that i have a linux router |
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| 08:36.30 | OxD2 | debian sarge 2.6.8-1 |
| 08:36.40 | OxD2 | i have a proxy server |
| 08:36.41 | dave_n | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 08:36.52 | OxD2 | and 2 ipve real ip addreses |
| 08:37.06 | OxD2 | let's say that: x.x.x.100 and x.x.x.101 is my real ipv4 |
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| 08:37.23 | OxD2 | behind eth1 , i have a network with private address 192.168.0.x/24 |
| 08:37.31 | OxD2 | in netfilter |
| 08:37.33 | jm_ | ox2;you can use up to 500 bytes long lines you know |
| 08:37.42 | OxD2 | jm_ sorry |
| 08:37.53 | OxD2 | in iptables , i have a rule like this: |
| 08:38.02 | OxD2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.32 | OxD2 | and that works fine, whole traffic goes out with address 100 and 101 |
| 08:38.48 | OxD2 | but when i start the proxy server , whole traffic goes out ONLY with x.x.x.100 |
| 08:39.00 | OxD2 | the iptables rule for the transparent proxy is : |
| 08:39.22 | OxD2 | iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -m multiport -p tcp --dport 80,3128 -j REDIRECT --to 8080 |
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| 08:39.40 | OxD2 | i also try: .... -j REDIRECT --to x.x.x.100-x.x.x.101:8080 |
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| 08:39.52 | OxD2 | but this has no effect ... |
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| 08:40.02 | OxD2 | all traffic goes out ONLY with x.x.x.100 ip |
| 08:40.11 | OxD2 | and now , i can't understand where is the problem |
| 08:40.24 | OxD2 | in proxy server , kernel or my netfilter rules? |
| 08:41.10 | OxD2 | that is ... |
| 08:41.24 | OxD2 | does any1 have idea about? |
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| 08:41.57 | streuner_ | How many users do you have? |
| 08:42.21 | OxD2 | streuner_ ? |
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| 08:42.55 | streuner_ | well, iam asking myself why you need squid at all |
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| 08:43.14 | OxD2 | wel |
| 08:43.20 | OxD2 | i have above 100 user's ... |
| 08:43.27 | streuner_ | ic |
| 08:43.32 | hardwire | pshaw! |
| 08:43.36 | OxD2 | ? |
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| 08:44.20 | herodes | can anybody tell me if having i one netcard, if i can have 2 etho: eth0 as dhcp and eth0:0 as local ip. |
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| 08:44.49 | OxD2 | [herodes]: u can |
| 08:44.56 | markybob | herbi, you can assign two ips to one card, if that's what you mean |
| 08:44.58 | peterS | herodes: why would you want a local IP on the same interface as your DHCP address? |
| 08:45.16 | OxD2 | so .. |
| 08:45.19 | OxD2 | can any1 help me? |
| 08:45.25 | peterS | !any1 |
| 08:45.25 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 08:45.40 | OxD2 | anyone .. |
| 08:46.05 | Gwildor | hello? |
| 08:46.06 | markybob | OxD2, i'd use a script like gShield. takes care of transparent proxying, NAT, etc. no more headache. |
| 08:46.18 | OxD2 | gShield sux ... |
| 08:46.19 | Gwildor | how do i create a "file", not a "dir" ? |
| 08:46.26 | OxD2 | i can write my onw rules |
| 08:46.33 | markybob | OxD2, apparently you cant |
| 08:46.33 | OxD2 | i don't need gshield .. |
| 08:46.36 | Elladan | Hahaha, as far as I can tell ext3's behavior on IO errors is hosed. |
| 08:46.40 | streuner_ | Gwildor: use an editor or touch |
| 08:46.48 | OxD2 | markybob apparenly u can't understand me ... |
| 08:47.05 | Gwildor | streuner_, well, im tring to save in nano, but it says it cant create |
| 08:47.07 | OxD2 | also , u can't understand what the gshield does with your filtering .. |
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| 08:47.20 | herodes | peterS, i have a pc as router with 1 net card.I want it to be configured so -->http://pastebin.com/229896 |
| 08:47.22 | markybob | Gwildor, probably dont have permision to write in that dir |
| 08:47.29 | streuner_ | Gwildor: you started nano as root? |
| 08:47.34 | Gwildor | yes |
| 08:47.48 | streuner_ | Gwildor: check out is the FS ro |
| 08:47.50 | peterS | herodes: and what happened when you tried it? |
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| 08:48.05 | Gwildor | streuner_, that means nothing to me, sorry |
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| 08:48.29 | herodes | peterS, doing ifconfig only show ip from dhcp |
| 08:48.34 | herodes | not local one |
| 08:48.36 | streuner_ | Gwildor: run 'mount' to see is the filesystem you wanna write to read-only (ro) |
| 08:48.47 | markybob | herodes, this should work. dhclient eth0 && ifconfig eth0:0 192.168.0.2 |
| 08:48.50 | peterS | herodes: you'll want, at minimum, an "auto" line in the interfaces file |
| 08:49.12 | Gwildor | streuner_, all are RW |
| 08:49.29 | peterS | herodes: I still fail to see how a 1-NIC "router" would be useful |
| 08:49.55 | markybob | petemc, i cant either. *shrug* |
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| 08:50.03 | jm_ | it's useful if you use dialup for example ;) |
| 08:50.24 | onno | I'm setting up a webserver and wondering if you would set up Sarge (testing) as webserver? |
| 08:50.24 | peterS | jm_: if he were using dialup, he wouldn't be talking about eth0 and eth0:0, there would be some ppp0 in there (: |
| 08:50.37 | john | true, true. |
| 08:51.04 | markybob | onno, what in testing do you need for a server that stable doesnt provide? |
| 08:51.04 | jm_ | peterS: why not? dialup connection to ISP, and eth0 for LAN - I used such setup for quite a while |
| 08:51.05 | Delph | if you know your modem isn't going to be passing crap through, then you can just plug it in on the same switch; or you can have a switch with VLAN's. both -> router with one NIC. |
| 08:51.12 | markybob | onno, just curious. i wouldnt run testing on a server. |
| 08:51.22 | peterS | jm_: the dialup connection to the ISP would probably not be using eth0 |
| 08:51.22 | Gwildor | i fiured it out....stupid me |
| 08:51.30 | herodes | peterS, it goes so. |
| 08:51.40 | Dech | Hello, i was wondering if anyone could please help me with a problem i seem to be having with apt-get, it says "security.debian.org (1.0.0.0) unreachable connection timed out, i read around a little and it seems to be a router/nameserver problem |
| 08:51.43 | herodes | peterS, thx u |
| 08:51.50 | markybob | jm_, true...but wouldnt the external ip be on ppp0, not eth0 like he has it? |
| 08:52.07 | peterS | herodes: what - just changing your 'auto' line made the difference? cool |
| 08:52.08 | onno | markybob just simple php apache2 and myslq 4.x |
| 08:52.16 | jm_ | peterS: of course, did he say eth0 is connected to ISP though? |
| 08:52.28 | markybob | onno, why apache2? can you deal with apach 1.3? |
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| 08:52.36 | peterS | jm_: he said nothing about an ISP, that was you. he said eth0 was the DHCP address, eth0:0 was the static local address |
| 08:52.54 | markybob | peterrooney, huh. good point. |
| 08:53.00 | onno | markybob, even php developers are now advising, if you set up a new server go apache 2 |
| 08:53.04 | Liquid_Tension | hey guys, I'm writing a paper on open source and I'm trying to see how many web sites use linux, what can I use to find out? |
| 08:53.07 | jm_ | peterS: so in other words, my example of a useful setup was perfectly normal |
| 08:53.10 | Guerin | onno: they are? |
| 08:53.26 | markybob | onno, that's news to me. anyway, my advice is no. |
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| 08:53.29 | peterS | jm_: yes, but it had little to do with the situation that provoked my comment (: |
| 08:53.38 | Liquid_Tension | I've tried going to google.com/randomwebpagenamehere.html trying ot get an apache error, but it doesn'twork :( |
| 08:53.47 | onno | Yes, there was last month a debate about it... And they said no problem with apache2... |
| 08:53.59 | Guerin | onno: linkage? |
| 08:54.04 | onno | Guerin, but testing will become stable in a matter of month's... |
| 08:54.07 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: You could set up a testlad where your router is plugged into the same hub as every other device you are testing with give it a virtual address on the one NIC and use it to test a new VPN box. (Just a random example) |
| 08:54.15 | markybob | onno, they said apache2 and php is stable. as in not crazy like it used to be. not that you *should* use it over apache 1.3 |
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| 08:54.28 | jm_ | peterS: no it didn't, but I will stop wasting my time arguing aboutit with you |
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| 08:54.38 | markybob | onno, do what you want, but no one here's gonna tell you to run testing in a production server. |
| 08:54.50 | scarynetworkguy | s/testlad/testbed |
| 08:54.54 | Guerin | onno: i hope you're good at backporting security fixes. |
| 08:54.56 | markybob | onno, and it doesnt seem like you have a need for anything that stable doesnt offer |
| 08:54.57 | onno | Guerin, I don't got it anymore... Markybob they said do you have a server don't upgrade, if you start one now use apache 2 |
| 08:55.16 | onno | ok so I should go for stable... ok |
| 08:55.26 | scarynetworkguy | onno: What reason is there ot use apache2? At all? |
| 08:55.31 | markybob | onno, yes. stable. |
| 08:55.41 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, because he was told it was a good idea, duh |
| 08:55.42 | onno | I thought testing had secure fixing |
| 08:55.48 | Guerin | nope |
| 08:55.48 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: Heh. |
| 08:55.57 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah I forgot about that. |
| 08:55.58 | Guerin | otherwise it might not be a bad plan |
| 08:56.11 | Guerin | i mean, apache2 is supposed to be better... |
| 08:56.18 | markybob | onno, sarge will soon be stable, so you'll be able to dist-upgrade and be happy |
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| 08:56.24 | markybob | 'soon'. heh. |
| 08:56.30 | onno | :-) |
| 08:56.31 | Guerin | fsvo soon |
| 08:56.54 | mike | peterS: http://mbentzen.mine.nu/errors.log -- here is a log of errors that depmod produces (about the sound card) |
| 08:56.55 | onno | So if it will be soon stable I can as well use sarge |
| 08:57.20 | markybob | onno, if you dont care about what happens between now and when it goes stable, sure. |
| 08:57.23 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Everybody I know who does web type stop says to stay away from Apaceh2 unless you need one of like 3 modules that only it supports. *shurg* |
| 08:57.31 | markybob | onno, dont be stupid. use stable on servers. always |
| 08:57.45 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, me too. |
| 08:57.47 | onno | ok... |
| 08:57.54 | streuner_ | less headaches, onno. |
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| 08:58.08 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Cool. |
| 08:58.12 | onno | So with a dist_upgrade I won't have any problem with the server? |
| 08:58.24 | peterS | mike: what is this /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/updates/alsa/ directory? is that really where alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 deposits its files? |
| 08:58.31 | Gnea | yay, konqueror prints |
| 08:58.33 | markybob | onno, i'm not sure how to answer that because i have no idea what you just asked |
| 08:58.50 | streuner_ | onno: nobody can give you a warranty, but the risk is smaller then. |
| 08:58.52 | onno | when sarge goes stable I wan't to upgrade |
| 08:59.06 | markybob | onno, then yes, you can dist-upgrade and hopefully have no problems |
| 08:59.07 | mike | peterS: i think so |
| 08:59.37 | peterS | mike: I have no experience with debian alsa module packages but the '/updates/alsa/' just looks weird |
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| 09:00.12 | mike | peterS: oh ok, thnks for your help, if anyone else could help me, i'd be much appreciative.. |
| 09:00.46 | rafx | can someone point me to the right doc(s) to rtfm? given an orig.tar.gz and diff.tar.gz file from a debian package page, I'd like to know the steps required to build it using modified CFLAGS. specifically, i'd like to know if there are any special steps required after applying the diff. |
| 09:00.52 | mike | and i just noticed the system date is wrong.. lol |
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| 09:02.12 | peterS | rafx: 'apt-get source packagename'. that produces an unpacked directory in the current dir. 'cd that_directory'. then 'vi debian/rules' and then 'dpkg-buildpackage' |
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| 09:03.26 | rafx | peterS: thanks, is it possible for apt-get source packagename to grab a different version than the current binary? |
| 09:03.39 | Bogaurd | my server runs debian woody, with ext2 on the system drive. if there is ever a power failure, it always requires a manual fsck to be able to boot again. this is inconvenient as i dont have easy physical access to it. can i convert the partition to another fs which is more tolerent of unclean shutdowns? |
| 09:03.43 | peterS | rafx: as for your modified CFLAGS, you should know that chances are, you're not *that* much smarter than the package maintainer. if gcc --omg-optimized really makes much of a difference, the maintainer sometimes provides separate binary packages for different CPU types |
| 09:03.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:04.12 | markybob | Bogaurd, yes. ext2->ext3 is pretty straight-forward. google for it |
| 09:04.25 | Guerin | Bogaurd: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 09:04.45 | ideafix | is reiserfs 4 any good ? |
| 09:04.48 | Bogaurd | markybob: is ext3 more tolerant of unclean shutdowns? isnt reiser good for that or something :\ |
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| 09:05.29 | markybob | Bogaurd, reiserfs is better than ext3 in just about every sense, but if you want an easy upgrade (since you dont have physical access), ext3 is the way to go |
| 09:05.29 | peterS | rafx: 'apt-get source' pulls the latest source code from the mirror. same as 'apt-get install' does. for 'apt-get source' to work, you have to have 'deb-src' lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list file alongside your 'deb' lines. whatever the 'deb-src' lines point to, that's what source you get |
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| 09:05.30 | Spark | can he convert the filesystem without unmounting it though... :) |
| 09:05.37 | c-moi | Hi everybody |
| 09:05.42 | peterS | Spark: I believe so |
| 09:05.46 | Spark | thats very cool |
| 09:05.49 | Guerin | um |
| 09:05.53 | peterS | Spark: it won't actually behave as ext3 until you unmount and remount |
| 09:05.58 | markybob | Bogaurd, and yes, ext3 is more tolerant than ext2 |
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| 09:06.07 | rafx | peterS: thanks a million for the help, bbl after rtfming |
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| 09:06.11 | Guerin | ricerfs is is MUCH worse than ext3 when it comes to fault tolerance |
| 09:06.14 | markybob | Bogaurd, i assume you can remotely reboot? |
| 09:06.16 | Bogaurd | markybob: i have the machine out right now... would it be simple to convert it to reiser? |
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| 09:06.41 | Guerin | it's not even much better than ext2, except by virtue of the fact that it has a journal |
| 09:06.49 | Guerin | Bogaurd: don't use ricerfs; use ext3. |
| 09:06.55 | markybob | Bogaurd, there really is no converting. make another partition formated reiserfs, copy all the junk over, change fstab, reboot |
| 09:06.58 | peterS | the time-consuming part of converting to reiserfs is backing up all your data. not only because you can't upgrade to reiserfs in place, but because if you choose to do this you'll definitely want good backups *anyway* |
| 09:07.12 | Bogaurd | markybob: ah ok |
| 09:07.15 | Bogaurd | ill go ext3 |
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| 09:07.19 | Guerin | Bogaurd: if you don't believe me, google reiserfs catastrophic data loss |
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| 09:07.21 | markybob | Bogaurd, good choice. |
| 09:07.23 | markybob | Bogaurd, :) |
| 09:07.26 | yamazu | hi |
| 09:07.34 | c-moi | I've got a (perhaps dummy question) : I use KDE on debian Sarge and I wonder how, when I install via apt a programm, the KDE menu can be updated without rebooting KDE (update-menus do not update KDE menu, that's what I see..) |
| 09:07.40 | Sparr_ | so, i know debian-arm exists... can anyone point me to any info on getting debian working on an ARM-based pda? |
| 09:07.44 | ideafix | peterSso reiserFS isnt very trust worthy ? |
| 09:07.47 | rob0 | google groups rob0 reiserfsck |
| 09:07.59 | yamazu | does debian use XFree-86 or X.org by default? (-unstable) |
| 09:08.03 | peterS | ideafix: it is for some people. I think of it as a time bomb, though. it *might* never go off |
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| 09:08.07 | Zap-W | say on the NIC chip it says RTL8139D , but lspci says it's a Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III] |
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| 09:08.10 | c-moi | XFree-86 |
| 09:08.12 | Thor- | are there any problem with using tab to make the /etc/fstab file more readable? |
| 09:08.20 | peterS | Zap-W: you're sure you only have one NIC? |
| 09:08.24 | c-moi | X.org is not on the apt I think |
| 09:08.26 | markybob | Thor-, have fun |
| 09:08.34 | ideafix | time bomb ? |
| 09:08.37 | markybob | Thor-, or go crazy, however i should've stated that. |
| 09:08.37 | yamazu | c-moi, really? |
| 09:08.38 | peterS | Thor-: whitespace is whitespace. feel free to use tabs |
| 09:08.40 | Zap-W | peterS, 200% sure |
| 09:08.46 | rob0 | I share the opinions on ext3 vs. reiserfs, however I note that by far the most likely scenario with today's cheap IDE drives is a media failure. |
| 09:08.48 | c-moi | that's what I heard on #debian-fr |
| 09:09.07 | Thor- | thx for confirming that :-) |
| 09:09.09 | Guerin | yamazu: /topic |
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| 09:09.21 | yamazu | ahahah |
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| 09:09.36 | yamazu | !! #debian - You need to be a channel operator to do that |
| 09:09.43 | peterS | ideafix: time bomb == a bomb that is programmed to blow up some time in the future. we don't know when. and it might fail to explode at all. |
| 09:09.45 | Guerin | yamazu: read the damn topic |
| 09:09.58 | yamazu | i am not channel operator |
| 09:09.58 | Guerin | yamazu: don't try to edit it |
| 09:10.09 | Guerin | you don't have to be an op to read the gdmf thing |
| 09:10.10 | c-moi | yamazu: //topic |
| 09:10.11 | c-moi | :) |
| 09:10.17 | yamazu | /topic |
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| 09:10.22 | c-moi | ouch... |
| 09:10.33 | markybob | peterS, i guess i'm lucky, then. started using reiserfs when 2.6 became stable (on quite a few boxes) and never had any problems. i'll let you know ;) |
| 09:10.47 | c-moi | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 09:10.48 | c-moi | :) |
| 09:10.55 | peterS | markybob: pray to whatever gods you are on good terms with that you never find yourself having to run reiserfsck (: |
| 09:10.56 | yamazu | :) |
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| 09:11.11 | markybob | peterS heh :) |
| 09:11.14 | Guerin | CTCP VERSION reply from yamazu: Synchronet IRC Module:1.14:Synchronet <-- wtf is that? |
| 09:11.25 | yamazu | my irc client |
| 09:11.25 | c-moi | anybodys knows how to update KDe menus with rebooting KDE ? |
| 09:11.29 | yamazu | and other IM |
| 09:11.35 | bob2 | some sort of retarded windows client |
| 09:11.36 | Guerin | yamazu: it's shit; get a real one. |
| 09:11.39 | c-moi | lol |
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| 09:11.46 | Bogaurd | my IDE driver in my new kernel compile is selected as a module. if i try and set it to built in, it says it depends on another package compiled as a module. what could this be? |
| 09:11.58 | Guerin | c-moi: yeah; update-menus or kappfinder |
| 09:12.16 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.16 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:12.34 | markybob | but anyway, whoever asked about reiserfs4, i've never tried it. scared to at present time. |
| 09:12.41 | Guerin | Bogaurd: build the other feature in, too. |
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| 09:13.10 | Bogaurd | Guerin: i dont know what it is, lol. how can i find out? ive just done make oldconfig... i used to be able to build it in |
| 09:13.14 | c-moi | kappfinder ? i'll try it.. thx (I didn't see any difference with update-menus) |
| 09:13.21 | Guerin | Bogaurd: make menuconfig |
| 09:13.28 | Bogaurd | Guerin: i am there |
| 09:13.36 | Guerin | Bogaurd: look. |
| 09:13.36 | Bogaurd | Guerin: thats how i am trying to build it in |
| 09:13.38 | Sparr_ | I would like to try linux on my PDA (Asus MyPal 716, ARM CPU). I have its USB cradle for file transfers and that is all, no cards, no serial cable. Can I get linux onto it? |
| 09:13.52 | Bogaurd | ive set all things related to ide/ata as built in |
| 09:13.53 | Guerin | Bogaurd: build everything else in the area either in or out |
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| 09:13.57 | Bogaurd | but still no |
| 09:14.04 | Guerin | you lie |
| 09:14.09 | Bogaurd | lol |
| 09:14.10 | markybob | ha |
| 09:14.11 | Bogaurd | Guerin: i dont |
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| 09:15.13 | Guerin | Bogaurd: what module? |
| 09:15.16 | Guerin | s/what/which/ |
| 09:15.59 | markybob | Bogaurd, just curious...you said you run woody...which kernel version are you installing? |
| 09:16.15 | Bogaurd | Guerin: i dont know the path... its an ide driver: intel pIIXn |
| 09:16.21 | Bogaurd | markybob: 2.4.27 |
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| 09:17.04 | markybob | i miss the old kernel development style. sigh. |
| 09:17.13 | PD | When I install Debian from a bootable CD can I pass some arguments to tell the system to use an USB floppy for getting the SCSI drivers |
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| 09:18.33 | markybob | PD, it's been many moons since i installed debian, but iirc there's an option to load driver from a floppy when you're inside the installer |
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| 09:19.08 | PD | But i dont have a normal floppy but I have a USB floppy |
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| 09:19.32 | PD | So can I pass some arguments to tell the kernal to use the USB floppy |
| 09:20.05 | sussudio | !kernal |
| 09:20.05 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 09:20.13 | PD | sorry |
| 09:20.16 | PD | kernel |
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| 09:20.42 | markybob | sussudio, you were a little slow on that one. dont let it happen again |
| 09:20.49 | peterS | I don't read slashdot enough, and when I do it's rarely in galeon, so no, I haven't seen that |
| 09:21.04 | sussudio | !fist markybob |
| 09:21.09 | markybob | heh ;) |
| 09:21.28 | St0n3-C0l | When I boot my System it automatically boots in Debian, I want to set my boot on Windows |
| 09:21.30 | Phated | You all right there, peterS? Seemed a little random. :) |
| 09:21.30 | PD | markybob any scope to tell about USB floppy |
| 09:21.43 | St0n3-C0l | What I type in my Windows Config line ? |
| 09:21.50 | peterS | Phated: I already told the guy whom I was talking to in the other channel to look here (: |
| 09:21.58 | Phated | peterS: Haha. :) |
| 09:22.12 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:22.14 | markybob | PD, afaik, usb floppy is like usb keyboard...kernel knows how to make it work so you shouldnt have to pass anything extra. never used one, though, so i cant tell you for sure |
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| 09:22.24 | St0n3-C0l | >:o |
| 09:22.26 | peterS | markybob: not that simple, unfortunately |
| 09:22.28 | rafx | peterS: you rock, you're suggestion looks like it saved me from screwing up bigtime |
| 09:22.49 | markybob | peters i didnt realize galeon was still used ;) |
| 09:22.56 | jm_ | markybob: should be no problem with d-i since it supports installing from USB devices |
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| 09:23.10 | Phated | It's kind of sad when you don't have a floppy drive, but have a USB port... |
| 09:23.12 | markybob | PD heard what jm_ said? use d-i |
| 09:23.13 | peterS | markybob: oh, I use it. firefox used to suck, I haven't tried it in several months so I don't know if it still does |
| 09:23.24 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. Sick and wrong. |
| 09:23.28 | PD | hmm I should check it out |
| 09:23.29 | peterS | Phated: smaller laptops are that way these days |
| 09:23.41 | markybob | peters i agree that it did. i think you might be happy with it now. |
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| 09:23.49 | ideafix | is debian releasing new distro this next month ? |
| 09:23.56 | Phated | peterS: Well... Still sad. :) And if you do have a laptop... Watcha doing without a CD-burner? :) |
| 09:24.03 | markybob | ideafix, Real Soon Now |
| 09:24.09 | directhex|work | !tell ideafix about wwsr |
| 09:24.09 | markybob | heh |
| 09:24.17 | Phated | ideafix: Not gonna happen. Grab a drink, take a seat. |
| 09:24.52 | peterS | or take a drink, grab a seat. but please don't grab mine |
| 09:24.53 | scarynetworkguy | ideafix: It will happen sometime before the heat death of the universe. |
| 09:24.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You wish. |
| 09:25.02 | St0n3-C0l | When I boot my System it automatically boots in Debian, I want to set my boot on Windows. What I need to type in '/boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 09:25.11 | jm_ | I moved from galeon to firefox mainly because I no longer have to use mozilla now, and it seems fast enough too (it was really slow last time I tried it (0.8), but I had that tab extension installed with it, could be that since I don't have it now) |
| 09:25.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeay I'm a dreamer. |
| 09:25.22 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: I told you how to do this last night |
| 09:25.25 | markybob | St0n3-C0l, change the default boot option |
| 09:25.29 | markybob | ha! |
| 09:25.33 | peterS | jm_: firefox doesn't depend on mozilla-browser? |
| 09:25.39 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: the answer is in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 09:25.42 | Phated | jm_: You don't need an extension for tabs, do you? 1.0 seems a decent speed inprovement now though. :) |
| 09:25.42 | markybob | peters no |
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| 09:25.52 | streuner_ | jm_: fireforx is 1.0 now, no problems here... |
| 09:26.00 | streuner_ | firefox* |
| 09:26.01 | St0n3-C0l | Guerin: lol u said look in example |
| 09:26.07 | scarynetworkguy | 1.0 is much better than it was. |
| 09:26.07 | jm_ | peterS: no, firefox comes with its own stuff |
| 09:26.26 | St0n3-C0l | but one in Example and the other are same |
| 09:26.32 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: there IS a VERY CLEAR and PRECISE example there |
| 09:26.32 | scarynetworkguy | That would pretty much be the whole point. |
| 09:26.32 | jm_ | streuner_: yes, I am using it, it's nice so far |
| 09:26.32 | peterS | another cool thing about galeon is that it still has the same name it had 3 years ago |
| 09:26.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:26.39 | St0n3-C0l | my default is 0 |
| 09:26.42 | markybob | St0n3-C0l, ok...gonna make it really easy for you, ok? pay close attention. apt-get install gnome-system-tools. |
| 09:26.50 | Phated | St0n3-C0l: So. Change. It. |
| 09:26.54 | markybob | St0n3-C0l, then go into applications->system tools->boot |
| 09:27.01 | St0n3-C0l | I do 5 ? |
| 09:27.02 | jm_ | Phated: correct - but that extension adds some useful options which I thought I'd need (save session), but I really don't need them |
| 09:27.03 | scarynetworkguy | You can do that? |
| 09:27.10 | St0n3-C0l | its on 5th no. :P |
| 09:27.20 | markybob | what? who's on 1st? |
| 09:27.36 | St0n3-C0l | markybob lol |
| 09:27.40 | peterS | markybob: I don't know |
| 09:27.40 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse markybob |
| 09:27.41 | dpkg | No, how are my pants today, markybob? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 09:27.45 | Phated | jm_: When I need to save session, I use "Bookmark Current Page" and then check the "Bookmark all tabs in a folder" option. WFM. :) |
| 09:27.46 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:27.53 | markybob | oh c'mon. that was funny. ;) |
| 09:28.09 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: Yes, it was. :) |
| 09:28.23 | jm_ | Phated: yes, I use that too now |
| 09:28.24 | ideafix | scarynetworkguy what are you doing here ? |
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| 09:28.50 | scarynetworkguy | ideafix: Not much. |
| 09:28.51 | Phated | Oh FFS both GRUB and LILO come with commented out examples if you want to boot another OS and state so clearly. Don't get someone dependent on GUI tools for something like that. :| |
| 09:28.56 | ideafix | scaring ppl off ? |
| 09:28.56 | Phated | jm_: :) |
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| 09:29.14 | mike | scarynetworkguy is l33t |
| 09:29.22 | ideafix | lol |
| 09:29.27 | Phated | Now he's going to kill you for describing him that way. |
| 09:29.35 | markybob | Phated, apparently you dont realize that some people are hopefless without gui tools |
| 09:29.39 | markybob | Phated, he proved that already |
| 09:29.43 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite mike |
| 09:29.52 | peterS | scarynetworkguy isn't l33t. he is 5c4rY |
| 09:30.00 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Heh. |
| 09:30.06 | mike | Rofl |
| 09:30.06 | jm_ | damn, archway looks neat |
| 09:30.11 | Phated | markybob: And... We shouldn't teach them how to use CLI tools? |
| 09:30.45 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks for the help, I changed my default one |
| 09:30.55 | markybob | Phated, reach them in whatever way we can. editing config files by hand was attempted yesterday. he's here again. |
| 09:30.55 | scarynetworkguy | Ouch. |
| 09:31.14 | Phated | *shrugs* When the time comes that he can't use a GUI to change it and needs to use the CLI... *shrugs* You get to help him. |
| 09:31.18 | scarynetworkguy | Anybody who can't edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand should really just go back to windows. |
| 09:31.23 | markybob | Phated, i dont care to turn the guy into a sysadmin |
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| 09:31.45 | markybob | scarynetworkguy, well, i'm not saying you're wrong... :) |
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| 09:32.04 | scarynetworkguy | markybob: Yeah. |
| 09:32.09 | Phated | Neither am I. Typing on a keyboard should however not be "sysadmin-level" skills. Nor should reading. |
| 09:32.20 | markybob | heh ;) |
| 09:32.36 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah but clearly he hwa had way too much stupid water for his own good. |
| 09:32.48 | Phated | Apparently. |
| 09:32.57 | john | Where can I get a list of apt sources to set? |
| 09:32.59 | rob0 | Anybody who can't edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand should really just go back to LILO. ;) |
| 09:33.04 | markybob | all i'm saying is that some people get totally confused when they see just text. it can be incredibly simple and they still wouldnt understand |
| 09:33.18 | rob0 | john: apt-setup |
| 09:33.19 | Phated | And that's called being unable to read. |
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| 09:33.40 | ideafix | im looking for cli only distro |
| 09:33.46 | Phated | I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Being confused by text does not bode well for future generations. |
| 09:33.55 | Phated | ideafix: And...? No one says you need to install X. |
| 09:33.59 | john | rob0: Thank you. |
| 09:34.01 | samigaru | where can i find a ati graphic driver for kernel 2.6.10? |
| 09:34.02 | Ghost9 | markybob, same reason why mcdonalds has pictures of meals instead of numbers on cash registers, reading scares people |
| 09:34.03 | peterS | ideafix: I'm not sure if any distributions will be suitable for you. I think they all use apostrophes here and there |
| 09:34.12 | samigaru | help me pls! |
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| 09:34.28 | Guerin | it's just another symptom of shiny flashy reactive stimulation that advertisers have been cultivating for decades |
| 09:34.28 | sussudio | samigaru: nein |
| 09:34.29 | markybob | Ghost9, i'm just saying that's the way it is. i dont know why some people are the way they are |
| 09:34.34 | Phated | peterS: Well, apostrophes are in the ASCII table, it's legal, isn't it? |
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| 09:34.55 | Ghost9 | markybob, i'm just as clueless as you |
| 09:34.59 | peterS | Phated: you'd think so. ideafix, however, seems to have some objection to using them, though |
| 09:35.10 | ideafix | use what ? |
| 09:35.12 | Phated | peterS: Ohhh, you're right. |
| 09:35.12 | ideafix | ' |
| 09:35.16 | ideafix | this ? |
| 09:35.28 | ideafix | ` |
| 09:35.30 | Phated | And the shift key, is that legal too? |
| 09:35.31 | Guerin | people have stopped believeing that there actually IS any content in anything, so they don't bother to look for it; they just get their message from the packaging. |
| 09:35.42 | samigaru | hmm... |
| 09:35.53 | Ghost9 | Guerin, as funny as that sounds, its true |
| 09:36.10 | Guerin | Ghost9: oh, I'm being deadly serious. |
| 09:36.12 | Phated | I don't think he meant it to be funny. |
| 09:36.16 | ideafix | apostrophes suck |
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| 09:36.32 | Phated | Yeah, they suck. It's rubbish to be able to punctuate correctly. |
| 09:36.45 | markybob | heh |
| 09:36.49 | ideafix | rubbish thats the right word for it |
| 09:36.50 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:37.06 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah cause clear communication sucks. |
| 09:37.18 | Phated | I refuse to enter an argument over correct punctuation. Guerin's better suited for that. |
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| 09:37.39 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: it gets in the way of confusion, which is ultimately the goal of any sane person - make other people more confused than you are. |
| 09:37.49 | ideafix | clear communication should imply not having to use 2 keys to right stuff |
| 09:37.54 | ideafix | write |
| 09:38.03 | peterS | 2 keys? |
| 09:38.05 | peterS | which two? |
| 09:38.06 | Phated | Er... |
| 09:38.26 | directhex|work | write >_< |
| 09:38.28 | peterS | 0 and 1? |
| 09:38.29 | Phated | Dear god. |
| 09:38.29 | ideafix | shift + ` |
| 09:38.29 | idnar | wtf? |
| 09:38.29 | Guerin | peterS: left and right |
| 09:38.32 | karsten | If anyone was wondering about peterS's senior moment: I'm seeing this rendering bug at /. in Galeon / Gecko browsers. Anyone else? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1103753&group_id=4421&atid=104421 |
| 09:38.32 | Phated | OK, first of all, you use the ' key, not the ` key. |
| 09:38.33 | markybob | now *that* was good humor |
| 09:38.40 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Heh. |
| 09:38.44 | idnar | ideafix: it's nobody's fault but your own if you have to press two keys simultaneously to get an apostrophe |
| 09:38.45 | Phated | And second of all, NEITHER of them are two-key combinations. |
| 09:38.47 | caskey | I'm willing to forego 'correct' punctuation if I could just get *any* vaguely appropriate punctuation. |
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| 09:39.09 | karsten | caskey: eats shoots and leaves. |
| 09:39.11 | ideafix | everything is my fault ! |
| 09:39.18 | peterS | Phated: that depends on your keyboard layout, to be sure. for US English it is as you say, but I don't know what layout ideafix is using |
| 09:39.18 | Guerin | karsten: in /. preferences, turn on "simple" display mode or whatever it's called |
| 09:39.19 | scarynetworkguy | That was fairly harsh. |
| 09:39.21 | caskey | karsten: Yeah, read it. Good stuff. |
| 09:39.25 | Guerin | !kill scarynetworkguy |
| 09:39.27 | jm_ | karsten: works fine here |
| 09:39.30 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Heh. |
| 09:39.31 | idnar | !blame ideafix |
| 09:39.32 | karsten | caskey: Cool. |
| 09:39.39 | ideafix | lol |
| 09:39.41 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 09:39.47 | idnar | hahaha |
| 09:39.49 | Phated | peterS: True. |
| 09:39.52 | karsten | jm_: It's a heisenbug. Maybe 15-45% of pageviews. Been happening for a while. |
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| 09:40.17 | jm_ | karsten: let me try viewing it several times |
| 09:40.24 | Guerin | karsten: is that like a hindenburg? |
| 09:40.27 | karsten | Guerin: I've done that but don't care for it. I've actually thought of writing some Slashdot-specific CSS. |
| 09:40.31 | idnar | ideafix: Ubuntu made you do it! |
| 09:40.41 | Phated | No shit. |
| 09:40.54 | peterS | Guerin: Heisenbug == a bug that can't be reproduced by any known method. by analogy to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle |
| 09:40.58 | Zarla | Hello Alll |
| 09:41.02 | karsten | Guerin: No. Hindenbugs only show up over Lakehurst, NJ. |
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| 09:41.20 | ideafix | Ubuntu is flawless |
| 09:41.23 | jm_ | karsten: any particular page to look at? I am trying main page and sevreal "Read more" links |
| 09:41.41 | peterS | ideafix: too bad people confuse it with debian |
| 09:41.45 | karsten | jm_: Random. Main or story pages, usually story pages. |
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| 09:42.07 | peterS | ideafix: someone recently filed a bug against a debian package which, upon investigation, was caused by the user trying to install a debian package on ubuntu. it wasn't actually a bug in the package at all |
| 09:42.09 | john | is Ubuntu really any good? |
| 09:42.15 | Indal | hmm i've just added a user, with no shell etc, i go to ftp localhost and i type in the username / pass and it says login failed, i've chagned the password like 3 times, and used pwconv etc, but still it says login failed. so i'm confused |
| 09:42.17 | vulture | john: #ubuntu |
| 09:42.20 | Phated | IMO, /. looks like rubbish no matter what you do. |
| 09:42.30 | john | okay :/ |
| 09:42.31 | karsten | Phated: s/looks like/is/ |
| 09:42.34 | peterS | Phated: that's the content, not the presentation, you're talking about (: |
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| 09:42.43 | karsten | peterS: Heh. |
| 09:42.47 | Phated | karsten: I've never tried reading it, mind. The layout just turns you off. |
| 09:42.50 | Phated | peterS: See above. |
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| 09:42.58 | asuffield | Phated: that's easily solved. see alterslash.org |
| 09:43.00 | benh2 | hello all |
| 09:43.12 | Phated | asuffield: Didn't know about that. Thanks. :) |
| 09:43.15 | peterS | better alterslash than altarslash, I suppose |
| 09:43.21 | karsten | Phated: I've been reading it for ~7 years. |
| 09:43.24 | benh2 | any one know if there is a nessus client with out X ? |
| 09:43.40 | Phated | karsten: And you haven't stabbed your eyes out. I applaud you. |
| 09:43.55 | scarynetworkguy | benh2: Yes. Oddly enough it is called nessus. |
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| 09:44.12 | streuner_ | heh |
| 09:44.13 | karsten | Phated: Um. I read it for the centerfolds. |
| 09:44.27 | ideafix | i wanna install next debian distro before i lose all my hair ! |
| 09:44.29 | Phated | All right, Alterslash should become the new /. . |
| 09:44.40 | peterS | does anyone say "I subscribe to slashdot for, umm, the articles"? |
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| 09:44.47 | Phated | Sure they do. |
| 09:44.48 | asuffield | karsten: you mean the porn links in the comments rated -1 |
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| 09:45.01 | jm_ | karsten: my bro is using galeon 1.3.18 to read slashdot, and he never noticed this |
| 09:45.05 | Phated | Urgh, a Sims TV show? |
| 09:45.16 | benh2 | scarynetworkguy: well when I try to install nessus it wants to pull a bunch of XLibs |
| 09:45.26 | scarynetworkguy | Oh god. The idea just makes my head hurts. |
| 09:45.30 | karsten | jm_: The fact that I use a customer userContent.css *may* have something to do with it ;-) |
| 09:45.31 | peterS | Phated: why not, that's basically what all 'reality TV' is, yes? |
| 09:45.32 | asuffield | peterS: doubtful. the top-rated comments are usually better researched |
| 09:45.33 | markybob | rofl |
| 09:45.53 | snkoosj | good morning, i am having a problem trying to configure php5 on a 2.6.x kernel |
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| 09:46.05 | jm_ | karsten: ahh |
| 09:46.10 | caskey | asuffield: top-rated comments are usually better rated, beyond that is conjecture. |
| 09:46.11 | pipeline | Didn't php4 JUST come out? |
| 09:46.14 | markybob | what? since when does php have anything to do with kernel? |
| 09:46.17 | scarynetworkguy | benh2: Oh I misparsed your question. Go to the nesssus website they will have a pointer to a non X client. But that begs the question there is no machine on the same network as your nessus server with a GUI? |
| 09:46.18 | peterS | pipeline: you mean php5? |
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| 09:46.25 | Phated | peterS: Speaking of reality TV, the only one I've found non-total-crap is My Big Fat Ugly Fiance. :) |
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| 09:46.39 | pipeline | peterS: I can't believe people are willing to install software the moment it becomes "stable |
| 09:46.54 | sussudio | !seen people |
| 09:46.55 | dpkg | sussudio: i haven't seen 'people' |
| 09:46.57 | jm_ | benh2: alternatively, check if you can build it without X, then just make your own package |
| 09:46.59 | sussudio | ppj2: die |
| 09:47.03 | streuner_ | Reality-TV is something for sado people who can't get a life ;-) |
| 09:47.04 | Guerin | i read slashdot, and I go - hey, that's interesting; then I click the link and the article is a pile of cack, and then I read the comments, and it's all completely hollow shite |
| 09:47.05 | benh2 | scarynetworkguy: well I guess I could install the client on my OSX laptop... |
| 09:47.17 | benh2 | jm_: ya I was trying to see if there was a prebuilt deb for it. |
| 09:47.24 | sussudio | can someone ban ppj2? |
| 09:47.26 | Guerin | and no, I'm not quite sure what I was expecting otherwise. |
| 09:47.27 | jm_ | benh2: don't think so |
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| 09:47.37 | benh2 | jm_: oh well. Thanks though |
| 09:47.38 | ideafix | is there any quality assurance page for linux soft ? |
| 09:47.44 | karsten | Guerin: Reading at 3+ or 4+ helps a *lot*. It's still 90% crud though. |
| 09:47.50 | peterS | sussudio: I don't see any ops active. you know the !ops command by now, though. who is ppj2? |
| 09:47.53 | scarynetworkguy | benh2: Yeah. Setting up a decent scan from a CLI client would suck. |
| 09:47.53 | karsten | Guerin: Generally I skim the headlines. |
| 09:48.05 | sussudio | peterS: do a !seen blabla |
| 09:48.05 | Phated | The Debian Social Contract, maybe? But no, ideafix, you don't get stuff like warranties. |
| 09:48.09 | karsten | ideafix: bugs.debian.org |
| 09:48.14 | karsten | !tell ideafix about bts |
| 09:48.25 | caskey | "An optimist thinks that slashdot is the pinnacle of human communication, a pessimist knows it is." |
| 09:48.35 | peterS | !seen sussudio call for ops |
| 09:48.36 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sussudio call for ops', peterS |
| 09:48.37 | karsten | ideafix: What specifically are you looking for / is your need? |
| 09:48.46 | peterS | oh, cute |
| 09:48.48 | asuffield | karsten: the headlines are usually a load of bullshit. the top-rated comments are usually explaining what really happened |
| 09:48.52 | snkoosj | configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. |
| 09:48.55 | sussudio | peterS: didn't do much good yesterday. or the day before that. |
| 09:49.03 | snkoosj | but libxml2 is installed |
| 09:49.10 | peterS | sussudio: indeed, this seems to be kind of their downtime |
| 09:49.11 | ideafix | there should be some linux soft ratings page or smothing like it |
| 09:49.28 | Phated | Why? |
| 09:49.30 | markybob | snkoosj, install the dev package |
| 09:49.35 | markybob | snkoosj, apt-get install libxml2-dev |
| 09:49.37 | benh2 | scarynetworkguy: ya I know, but I really dont want to install X on my file server... I'm adding apache and PHP so that a few fellows can learn PHP. |
| 09:49.41 | ideafix | because its a must |
| 09:49.52 | karsten | asuffield: Yes. The headlines are generally crap. The selection is middlin. The top comments are generally useful for information. Particularly if you _downrate_ "funny" and use friends/foes judicioiusly. |
| 09:49.54 | benh2 | scarynetworkguy: I'll see about an OSX client, I'm sure that theres one out there some where. |
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| 09:49.59 | benh2 | scarynetworkguy: Thanks for the help |
| 09:50.01 | Phated | "A must"? Where do you get that? |
| 09:50.03 | pipeline | benh2: Installing the X libraries isn't tantamount to installing X, is it? |
| 09:50.04 | scarynetworkguy | benh2: So don't. The whole idea behind nessus is that it runs on a client server model. |
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| 09:50.14 | karsten | asuffield: I get a lot more utility out of friend/foe moderation than comment mods. |
| 09:50.16 | snkoosj | damn, unmet dependencies |
| 09:50.21 | pipeline | karsten: I find that the top-rated comments often contain the worst idiocy |
| 09:50.24 | scarynetworkguy | benh2: But there is a cli client. It's just so useless that no one has packaged it. |
| 09:50.36 | ideafix | kde apps is nice but there should be some advisable opinion has its not gona skeew up stuff up |
| 09:50.38 | pipeline | karsten: The problem with slashdot is that the moderators are, as a rule, *at least* as stupid as the posters. |
| 09:50.39 | benh2 | pipeline: ya I know. though what is the point on having libs installed that will never really be used |
| 09:50.42 | karsten | pipeline: ...but also the best corrections. |
| 09:50.49 | ideafix | i hate rpm distros |
| 09:50.51 | pipeline | benh2: You realize that X is a network protocol |
| 09:50.54 | karsten | pipeline: Moderation is very difficult to do well. |
| 09:50.57 | pipeline | karsten: What. No. |
| 09:51.06 | karsten | pipeline: ...and /.'s moderation system is fundamentally broken *several* ways. |
| 09:51.09 | pipeline | karsten: Mod points are given to people who read slashdot compulsively. These people are often idiots. |
| 09:51.18 | benh2 | pipeline: ya but the problem is that it was adding libs for a GTK+ interface that I was not going to use |
| 09:51.23 | pipeline | karsten: The nature of slashdot moderation and meta-moderation is to ensure that the stupidest things bubble to the top |
| 09:51.34 | markybob | ideafix, i dont know if this is what you mean, but this site gives ratings to gnome apps http://www.gnomefiles.org/ |
| 09:51.38 | Phated | Funniest, funniest! |
| 09:51.39 | sussudio | pipeline: no, that's bash.org |
| 09:51.40 | pipeline | benh2: Why not use it? |
| 09:51.40 | karsten | pipeline: Sec. |
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| 09:52.04 | ideafix | i dont need gnome rating i all ready know gnome sucks |
| 09:52.10 | streuner_ | peterS: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 09:52.21 | peterS | streuner_: has it changed recently? |
| 09:52.48 | streuner_ | peterS: no, not in this case ;-) |
| 09:52.50 | benh2 | pipeline: I might. I'll see what google can crank out for a nice client for my laptop... if not then I will just pull if from the server... but if I dont have to, then... |
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| 09:52.59 | sussudio | -ChanServ- 18 10 walters 1y 18w 2d 15h 46m 39s |
| 09:53.00 | sussudio | ... |
| 09:53.05 | ideafix | gnome folks should convert to kde |
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| 09:53.08 | peterS | streuner_: ahh, you meant that I was wrong about ops being active, since asuffield is |
| 09:53.09 | snkoosj | markybob thanks man, i don't see how i wasn't able to google that info |
| 09:53.14 | snkoosj | it's early :) |
| 09:53.18 | streuner_ | peterS: yep |
| 09:53.20 | pipeline | benh2: Well, if your laptop is an OS X machine, why not just install apple X11? |
| 09:53.20 | sussudio | bdale hasn't been on in 6 years |
| 09:53.21 | ideafix | mabey make a GTK kde or something ... |
| 09:53.21 | markybob | snkoosj, np |
| 09:53.28 | Phated | And gnome folks thinks KDE folks should convert to gnome. *shrugs* Watcha gonna do about it. |
| 09:53.34 | benh2 | pipeline: ohh good point. |
| 09:53.41 | pipeline | ideafix: A little late for that, jackass. By all indicators, KDE's share of the "market" is falling rapidly. |
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| 09:53.46 | pipeline | !start a wm ware |
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| 09:53.48 | pipeline | !start a wm war |
| 09:53.48 | dpkg | emacs makes me vomit! |
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| 09:53.55 | markybob | pipeline, ha! |
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| 09:54.10 | ideafix | pipeline: why is that ? |
| 09:54.25 | ideafix | most ppl use KDE for desktop |
| 09:54.29 | pipeline | ideafix: Because KDE 2 and 3 were giant leaps backwards. Oh, and it's a hideous, resource-gobbling wreck. |
| 09:54.33 | Phated | ideafix: Sorry, but no. |
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| 09:54.48 | peterS | ideafix: what's your definition for "most people", then? |
| 09:54.59 | peterS | sorry, I mean, what's your definition for "most ppl"? |
| 09:55.00 | Phated | peterS: "most ppl". |
| 09:55.04 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:55.21 | neenee | morning |
| 09:55.22 | ideafix | all ppl still on windows |
| 09:55.32 | scarynetworkguy | !ppl |
| 09:55.33 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 09:55.36 | markybob | wow |
| 09:55.40 | Phated | "all" now? Dear lord, I've been kicked from the human race. |
| 09:55.45 | Phated | Hm... HURRAY. |
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| 09:55.57 | ideafix | all the ppl still on windows |
| 09:55.59 | directhex|work | Phated, become a vampire! |
| 09:56.08 | ideafix | sintaxe nutards |
| 09:56.08 | Phated | directhex|work: Sounds like fun. |
| 09:56.10 | dpy | hi there |
| 09:56.13 | markybob | i give up on trying to understand him |
| 09:56.13 | peterS | ideafix: papal is an adjective, not a noun |
| 09:56.20 | dpy | any apt-maintainers online ? |
| 09:56.30 | bob2 | dpy: not in here |
| 09:56.32 | peterS | dpy: maybe. probably not here. why do you ask? |
| 09:56.39 | bob2 | dpy: the deity list is the best way to contact them |
| 09:56.59 | dpy | we want to refactor the rfc822 (the apt-)parser |
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| 09:57.03 | ideafix | i bette a KDE using GTK would rock |
| 09:57.05 | Phated | ideafix: "syntax", and no, we just like using words the way they're meant. |
| 09:57.13 | scarynetworkguy | Meh, He never said human and I have it on good authority that the Bene Gesserit use Openbox. |
| 09:57.18 | bob2 | lordy |
| 09:57.18 | dpy | we want to know if they are interested in the inclusion of our code in the main APT sources |
| 09:57.25 | Phated | Who's Bene Gesserit? |
| 09:57.26 | peterS | dpy: definitely the deity mailing list, as bob2 said |
| 09:57.29 | dpy | mail is slower than irc |
| 09:57.40 | peterS | Phated: it's an order of women in Frank Herbert's Dune series |
| 09:57.41 | bob2 | dpy: yes, but way more effective |
| 09:57.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Dune refrence. They cull people to find humans. |
| 09:57.48 | Phated | Oh, DUH. My bad. |
| 09:57.48 | directhex|work | what difference would gtk or qt make, in the context? |
| 09:57.53 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:57.55 | asuffield | dpy: deal with it. IRC gets you thousands of lunatics nagging you about their insignificant pet project |
| 09:57.57 | Phated | It all looks the same, don't it. |
| 09:58.05 | Nurbs | ideafix: why? the only nice thing would be a somewhat more uniform UI, to me |
| 09:58.26 | Phated | And GUI tools for everything. |
| 09:58.51 | karsten | pipeline: See: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?MojoAnalysis |
| 09:58.59 | ideafix | i think all gui tools should have a cli window |
| 09:59.10 | bob2 | that's nice |
| 09:59.40 | Phated | GUI tools are an xterm and xpenguins while you edit your menu.lst or lilo.conf. |
| 10:01.14 | deadcat | Phated: what ob3 theme you using? |
| 10:01.25 | ideafix | whats ob3 ? |
| 10:01.43 | paulswm | openbox? |
| 10:01.51 | Phated | deadcat: I downloaded Blat from themes.freshmeat.org, or I use the pythin script provided by ob3 to port one of my fluxbox themes over. |
| 10:01.56 | Phated | python. |
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| 10:02.38 | Shachar | question: I'm about to buy an IBM xserver (AMD64 compatible Intel), and would very much like to run Debian on it. Can someone please explain to me what security updates I will likely see for it if I go with the AMD64 unofficial port? |
| 10:02.38 | deadcat | Phated: nice |
| 10:02.47 | Phated | deadcat: It's a pretyt sweet script. :) |
| 10:02.48 | karsten | WTF does Sourceforge insist on having jpgs open in another application instead of locally? |
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| 10:04.12 | ideafix | im sick of rpm distros that dont let you upgrde your system has you go |
| 10:04.37 | ideafix | thats one of the best things about linux |
| 10:05.07 | deadcat | Phated: whats the phyton script call? |
| 10:05.29 | deadcat | Phated: nevermind. got a screenshot? |
| 10:05.36 | Phated | deadcat: It's an executable, man openbox should give you the location of it, I just copy it into my ~/.themes dir for easy access. |
| 10:05.46 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah, hold a couple secs. :) |
| 10:06.38 | ideafix | this isnt the oipenbox channel |
| 10:06.45 | ideafix | is it ? |
| 10:06.51 | Phated | This isn't the rant about RPM channel either. |
| 10:07.10 | deadcat | ideafix: bitch shut the fuck up. |
| 10:07.19 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:07.36 | Phated | Is there an openbox channel, though. |
| 10:07.41 | john | Don't think so |
| 10:07.42 | ideafix | im not ranting against anything |
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| 10:07.47 | deadcat | Phated: not on this server |
| 10:07.53 | Phated | Guess not. :) |
| 10:07.58 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 10:08.08 | deadcat | Phated: mwilson is there. |
| 10:08.16 | Phated | mwilson is where? |
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| 10:08.24 | peterS | presumably the openbox channel |
| 10:08.25 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson is everywhere. |
| 10:08.31 | scarynetworkguy | Kind of like Santa. |
| 10:08.32 | Phated | Yeah OK -now- I'm scared. |
| 10:08.34 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:08.41 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: oh, I know better than that. mwilson is no bob2 |
| 10:09.01 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: Heh. |
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| 10:09.05 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: not Santa, Satan |
| 10:09.23 | bob2 | deadcat: chill dude |
| 10:09.39 | deadcat | hehe |
| 10:09.52 | ideafix | haha |
| 10:09.55 | deadcat | watching chris rock hbo special |
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| 10:10.09 | Phated | Ooh, Chris Rock. |
| 10:10.11 | Phated | Funnyman. |
| 10:10.14 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:10.33 | ideafix | this seem like the funny farm chan |
| 10:10.56 | ideafix | mhuu |
| 10:11.03 | deadcat | Phated: i want this theme http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/4.big.png but the site is down. )= |
| 10:11.18 | Phated | deadcat: Hmmm... |
| 10:11.24 | Phated | That site sounds familiar. |
| 10:11.29 | deadcat | i like the window buttons |
| 10:11.41 | deadcat | the dude's site is gumerry.co.uk actually |
| 10:13.06 | ideafix | any one tryed BSD distros ? |
| 10:13.16 | markybob | ideafix, yes. |
| 10:13.25 | ideafix | are they any good ? |
| 10:13.28 | scarynetworkguy | ideafix: No nobody. Not even Theo. He really uses Linux. |
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| 10:13.43 | ideafix | whois theo ? |
| 10:13.48 | Phated | deadcat: That's a pretty theme. |
| 10:13.53 | deadcat | ya |
| 10:13.55 | Phated | WE-ll... minus the Gentoo logo. :) |
| 10:13.59 | deadcat | (= |
| 10:14.06 | markybob | ideafix, eh. i liked freebsd for what i used it for...but i'll stick with linux |
| 10:14.07 | deadcat | i dont care about the bg |
| 10:14.13 | Phated | Yeah, true. |
| 10:14.21 | Phated | deadcat: http://server5.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=2005-01-17-180654_1024x768_scrot.png |
| 10:14.31 | ideafix | what do you use freebsd for ? |
| 10:14.44 | deadcat | Phated: color is nice. |
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| 10:14.48 | markybob | ideafix, routing at an isp i used to work for |
| 10:14.48 | ideafix | servers ? |
| 10:14.54 | Phated | deadcat: Which colour? |
| 10:15.00 | deadcat | blue |
| 10:15.09 | Phated | deadcat: Ah yeah it's a cool shade. |
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| 10:15.55 | ideafix | can i make a fserver for a chann to dist linux on irc ? |
| 10:16.33 | scarynetworkguy | Nice screen. |
| 10:16.38 | markybob | Phated, 1806? where are you? |
| 10:16.45 | bob2 | ideafix: probably, but that would be pretty crap |
| 10:16.49 | Phated | markybob: 180g what? |
| 10:16.52 | Phated | Er, 6. |
| 10:16.53 | deadcat | Phated: fonts too big (= |
| 10:16.59 | markybob | Phated, time on the screenshot |
| 10:17.03 | Phated | deadcat: Which fonts? :) |
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| 10:17.17 | Phated | markybob: /whois Phated. Sheesh. :) |
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| 10:17.27 | markybob | Phated, some find that to be rude :) |
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| 10:17.28 | deadcat | Phated: fbpanel |
| 10:17.39 | Phated | markybob: No one knows on this network if you /whois them. :) |
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| 10:17.54 | Phated | deadcat: Oh yeah, I've been meaning to change it to fit the ones on the titlebars. |
| 10:18.05 | markybob | Phated, ah, singapore. i was there last year. really liked it |
| 10:18.05 | Phated | Ah-hah, an openbox channel. |
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| 10:18.18 | Phated | OH NOT AGAIN. EVERYONE's been here. |
| 10:18.40 | markybob | Phated, for some reason i really liked the plastic train card thing. i'm too used to paper crap |
| 10:18.55 | Phated | markybob: Ah, yeah, the scan-type things? :) |
| 10:18.59 | Phated | Those are fun. |
| 10:19.05 | markybob | Phated, yes. |
| 10:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | Cool. |
| 10:19.17 | markybob | Phated, i never even took it out of my wallet. just scanned my wallet as i walked by ;) |
| 10:19.27 | Phated | That's what everyone does. :) |
| 10:19.56 | markybob | Phated, sorry. i know it sounds dumb, but as someone who's used paper crap for many years, it really put a smile on my face |
| 10:20.30 | Phated | markybob: Heh. No worries. It's pretty cool, to be honest. You can even get things at McDonald's with it now unless you have Giro on it. :) |
| 10:20.46 | markybob | Phated, sweet! |
| 10:21.04 | Phated | markybob: I know. Of course you can't use the temp ones, but you can buy like normal ones and use those. |
| 10:21.29 | markybob | hope i can go back there someday |
| 10:21.33 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:21.48 | markybob | visit the four floors of whores again. |
| 10:22.03 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 10:22.27 | ideafix | rpm distros are trying to owne linux |
| 10:22.38 | neenee | distros are not sentient |
| 10:22.43 | Phated | RPM distros -are- Linux. So are .deb distros. |
| 10:22.54 | Phated | So are tgz distros, for the sick ones. |
| 10:23.37 | ideafix | there should be deb for all |
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| 10:23.50 | Phated | deadcat: The openbox channel is on oftc.net. :) |
| 10:23.55 | ideafix | execpt for source distros |
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| 10:25.02 | herodes | which is the rule (iptables) for nat from eth0 to a eth0:0 (local net) ?? |
| 10:25.03 | ideafix | rpm = hell |
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| 10:25.45 | Zero_Dogg | ideafix: it doesn't have to. Mdk's urpmi does it nicely |
| 10:25.53 | herodes | i was doing it, mapping it to a local ip. can it works to a eth0:0 ? |
| 10:25.55 | Phated | Gak, MDK. |
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| 10:26.28 | ideafix | cant use MDK rmps in suse |
| 10:26.32 | ideafix | that sucks |
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| 10:26.37 | ideafix | rpm distros are trying to owne linux |
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| 10:26.53 | herodes | iptables -t NAT -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.0.2 |
| 10:27.03 | Phated | Oh, WTF, no one here cares about RPMs. |
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| 10:27.20 | paulswm | @lart ideafix |
| 10:27.37 | error | normally how long does it take for cheques to clear when you submit it to the bank? less than a week right |
| 10:27.54 | Phated | error: Definitely less than a week. Depending on the bank, up to maybe three working days. |
| 10:27.55 | quitte | i'm trying to get dri and mpeg2 acceleration working on a via epia board. can anyone help me with that? all those patches are confusing me a lot. |
| 10:27.58 | deadcat | 2 days |
| 10:28.12 | wk | Hi, I had to choose "German" as language during the installation of the system to set the timezone proper. But now my whole system is using german where available - how can I get rid of this? But still using german umlaute, EURO, etc? |
| 10:28.25 | error | my online account says i have 50 bucks in my account.. when i got to the machine it says i have 2 bucks |
| 10:28.34 | error | heh |
| 10:28.41 | paulswm | in the US it will soon be almost instant |
| 10:28.46 | Phated | Meh, call the bank and make noises. |
| 10:28.53 | error | i was embrassed when i went to use my debit account at a store and i didnt have enough |
| 10:28.58 | error | in a line of people |
| 10:29.01 | Phated | Usually here it clears overnight. |
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| 10:29.11 | error | ok thanks |
| 10:29.27 | ideafix | lol |
| 10:29.46 | Phated | You should call the bank though, they shouldn't be doing silly things like displaying inconsistent info online and at their ATMs. |
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| 10:30.04 | error | yah i'll go to a branch |
| 10:30.06 | error | and talk to them |
| 10:30.16 | markybob | great. glad we settled that. |
| 10:30.16 | Phated | Cool. |
| 10:30.28 | paulswm | error: well good luck with that |
| 10:30.32 | ideafix | how much banks are using debian ? |
| 10:30.44 | ideafix | how many banks are using debian ? |
| 10:30.46 | deadcat | ideafix: who cars |
| 10:30.50 | ideafix | i do |
| 10:30.51 | Phated | They're not gonna be giving out that kind of info, and stop fucking repeating. |
| 10:31.03 | markybob | Phated, /ignore |
| 10:31.13 | deadcat | markybob: /ignore ideafix ? |
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| 10:31.17 | markybob | yes |
| 10:31.17 | Phated | markybob: It's too entertaining. |
| 10:31.20 | deadcat | thanks |
| 10:31.26 | ideafix | it would be nice for debian is they did |
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| 10:31.33 | Phated | You know what it's like... Car crash, everyone has to stop and look. |
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| 10:31.40 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. |
| 10:31.47 | Piru | eww |
| 10:31.51 | Guerin | ideafix: why would it? |
| 10:31.52 | Phated | Even though it's sick and wrong. |
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| 10:31.59 | markybob | heh |
| 10:32.21 | paulswm | ideafix: why, it's not like anyone gets paid, just mean a whole bunch of bank employees would be here asking how to set up nvidia |
| 10:32.22 | markybob | Guerin, seriously...must you keep him talking even more? |
| 10:32.45 | Phated | markybob: Meh, you have him on ignore, why bother. :) |
| 10:32.45 | Guerin | the debian project doesn't even know who's using its software |
| 10:32.54 | Phated | Doesn't care, either. |
| 10:32.56 | Guerin | that's why they call it 'anonymous' ftp |
| 10:32.58 | ideafix | setup nvidia on bank ?! |
| 10:33.02 | scarynetworkguy | Of course not. |
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| 10:33.46 | Phated | deadcat: Hey, d'you know what options are used to change the font in fbpanel? |
| 10:33.59 | Guerin | 'he who lights his taper from mine gains light, without diminishing mine' or somesuch by thomas jeffersom |
| 10:34.04 | deadcat | Phated: .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 10:34.22 | Phated | deadcat: Oh, right... And... What options should I use there? Just font=foo? |
| 10:34.37 | ideafix | extra extra the usa is targeting iran ! |
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| 10:34.47 | peterS | ideafix: that's OT, thanks |
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| 10:34.55 | ideafix | what OT ? |
| 10:35.05 | bob2 | ideafix: you could be less annoying |
| 10:35.07 | peterS | foreign policy is off-topic |
| 10:35.10 | deadcat | Phated: i just use the default fixed font i guess. |
| 10:35.11 | ideafix | whats OT ? |
| 10:35.30 | ideafix | off topic |
| 10:35.31 | Phated | deadcat: Well, I'm using that, and you said it was too big, so ner. :) |
| 10:35.32 | One | ideafix Off Topic |
| 10:35.34 | deadcat | Phated: you just need something like gtk-font-name = "scan 9" to make the fonts smaller |
| 10:35.44 | Phated | Ahhh, cool, thanks deadcat. :) |
| 10:36.19 | ideafix | great i was thinking i would never seen a nuclear war in my life span |
| 10:36.35 | scarynetworkguy | !aolify ideafix |
| 10:36.38 | directhex|work | that's sorta cool, spo0nman |
| 10:36.42 | Shadur | ideafix: Let's keep it that way. |
| 10:37.00 | paulswm | ideafix: if you socialize like you talk here, you still may not as I predict your lifespan will be short |
| 10:37.05 | Guerin | with a parsnip |
| 10:37.13 | Shadur | In the dining room! |
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| 10:37.27 | scarynetworkguy | Leadpipe! |
| 10:37.30 | Guerin | nope |
| 10:37.32 | Guerin | parsnip |
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| 10:38.05 | Phated | Colonel Mustard, with a parsnip, in the dining room? |
| 10:38.21 | scarynetworkguy | That'll work. |
| 10:39.02 | va | if i install testing now and after sarge's release change sources.list to point to sarge, i'll have a normal sarge system with no down-grading or similar issues? |
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| 10:39.20 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 10:39.20 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 10:39.28 | scarynetworkguy | va: Just point it at sarge right after install and yes. |
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| 10:40.51 | paulswm | that's a nicely written factoid |
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| 10:41.00 | tristan | anoyone here know how to recover data from a formatted ext3 partition? |
| 10:41.06 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 10:41.06 | directhex|work | oh fucking hell, my /home has remounted itself read-only |
| 10:41.13 | Shadur | BWA HA HA HA HA HA no. |
| 10:41.28 | scarynetworkguy | tristan: You get out your backup media. You do have backups, right? |
| 10:41.33 | Phated | All of you are far too happy about telling someone he can't recover data. |
| 10:41.36 | paulswm | except s/once sarge stabilises/when hell freezes over/, heh |
| 10:41.45 | tristan | I have some backups |
| 10:41.54 | Guerin | tristan: if you know someone who works in a data forensics lab, you might be able to leave a case of been in their cube... |
| 10:41.55 | scarynetworkguy | tristan: You restore from those. |
| 10:41.56 | tristan | is it really impossible? |
| 10:41.58 | Guerin | hrm |
| 10:41.59 | Guerin | beer |
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| 10:42.21 | Guerin | tristan: anything's possible; some things are just more possible than others. |
| 10:42.30 | Phated | A whole case? You don't want him puking on your HDD. |
| 10:42.33 | paulswm | tristan: what do you mean by 'foramtted'? |
| 10:42.38 | paulswm | fromatted |
| 10:42.41 | directhex|work | bah, rebooting >8\/ |
| 10:42.41 | paulswm | formatted |
| 10:42.45 | paulswm | sheesh |
| 10:42.52 | tristan | I installed debian onto the wrong partition :( |
| 10:42.53 | Phated | Third time's the charm. :) |
| 10:42.53 | scarynetworkguy | Well you would hope that he drinks said beer *after* recovering your data. |
| 10:43.02 | markybob | that sucks |
| 10:43.04 | tristan | only a small install |
| 10:43.08 | tristan | tell me about it :) |
| 10:43.14 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 10:43.22 | Phated | You leave a case of beer in his cube. He drinks beer. He doesn't recover data. Whatcha gonna do about it? |
| 10:43.23 | tristan | so most of the drive hasn't been overwritten |
| 10:43.24 | paulswm | tristan: the partitoon that you installed onto is the one you are hoping to recover? |
| 10:43.36 | tristan | yes, I suspect it might be a lost cause? |
| 10:43.36 | markybob | tristan, you should get some beer for yourself and forget this ever happened. |
| 10:43.37 | scarynetworkguy | Not much. |
| 10:43.39 | directhex|work | what goes where if i want to force sda6 to fsck on boot? |
| 10:43.58 | paulswm | tristan: restore from backup |
| 10:44.11 | markybob | tristan, you're screwed if you dont have backups |
| 10:44.13 | Phated | directhex|work: Why not just umount and fsck it manually? |
| 10:44.23 | tristan | so there is not way at all? |
| 10:44.41 | scarynetworkguy | In particular since odds are any such people have friends who work for a national intelligence agency of some sort. |
| 10:44.44 | Phated | tristan: It's complicated, difficult, and can result in further loss. Restore from backup. |
| 10:44.45 | markybob | tristan, the simple answer is no. unless you have lots of money or serious hookups |
| 10:44.46 | directhex|work | bah. back later, then |
| 10:45.06 | tristan | ok, so forensics are the only option? |
| 10:45.09 | paulswm | tristan: probably not not unless you work for the CIA, FBI, MI5 or Scotland Yard |
| 10:45.16 | tristan | right :( |
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| 10:45.23 | Phated | Well, yeah, but you actually -know- someone in data forensics? |
| 10:45.30 | tristan | of course not |
| 10:45.36 | scarynetworkguy | tristan: Any data recovery firm could do it but you are talking 4 digits for them to even take a look at it. |
| 10:45.55 | Guerin | (not enough, though) |
| 10:45.56 | scarynetworkguy | Cool. |
| 10:46.18 | tristan | I was kinda hoping that there might be software that could go through and recover the inodes that haven't been overwritten |
| 10:46.35 | paulswm | Guerin: forget that |
| 10:46.37 | tristan | I overwrote ext3 with ext2 |
| 10:46.38 | Phated | Honour. :) |
| 10:46.52 | paulswm | Phated: not here, but in my native language, yes |
| 10:47.15 | Phated | paulswm: Speak your native language! Spell things right! |
| 10:47.24 | markybob | s/right/correctly |
| 10:47.25 | markybob | ;) |
| 10:47.31 | Phated | Well yeah. |
| 10:47.36 | paulswm | heh |
| 10:48.11 | paulswm | says words |
| 10:48.21 | Guerin | hootnanny |
| 10:48.22 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:48.46 | scarynetworkguy | This isn't a hootnanny it's a hoedown. |
| 10:48.53 | Guerin | oops, my bad |
| 10:48.58 | Phated | Doh. |
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| 10:49.05 | Guerin | cue joke about having both kinds of music... |
| 10:49.10 | peterS | Guerin: ha |
| 10:49.22 | Phated | Haha. |
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| 10:49.44 | Guerin | ... and all three kinds of beer. |
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| 10:49.56 | Phated | What's that, then? |
| 10:49.56 | paulswm | mmmmm, beeeeer |
| 10:49.56 | Bogaurd | is it normal that during compilation of a kernel, every so often a message like this might fly up? |
| 10:49.57 | Bogaurd | {standard input}:1278: Warning: indirect lcall without `*' |
| 10:50.08 | paulswm | Bogaurd: yes |
| 10:50.25 | Bogaurd | paulswm: whew... what about if about 10 fly up in one go? |
| 10:50.35 | paulswm | Bogaurd: you'll get a bunch of warnings |
| 10:50.39 | markybob | Bogaurd, if it doesnt come to a halt, you're ok |
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| 10:50.53 | Bogaurd | paulswm: ah good. i didnt want a partially compiled kernel :P |
| 10:50.54 | paulswm | Bogaurd: as long as it completes OK..... |
| 10:50.56 | Guerin | Bogaurd: in the immortal words fo Linus Torvalds: if it compiles it's good. If it boots, it's perfect. |
| 10:51.05 | atholas | If I have a package removed by apt-get without the purge flag, is it possible to remove the configuration files using apt-get or some other tools? |
| 10:51.09 | Phated | All hail the immortal Torvalds. |
| 10:51.24 | Guerin | Phated: no. His words might be immortal, but I don't think he is. |
| 10:51.27 | markybob | atholas, yes. dpkg |
| 10:51.34 | paulswm | in my own words: it compiled OK, anything else is a data problem |
| 10:51.36 | Phated | Guerin: Too bad. Oh well. |
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| 10:51.50 | Phated | In my words: Meh, it compiled. We're cool. |
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| 10:52.09 | Guerin | in my words: OMFG, it compiled! and only on the 4365th go! |
| 10:52.14 | nailbiter | atholas: you can follow it up with a 'dpkg --purge <packagename>', yes. |
| 10:52.50 | paulswm | Guerin: yours is certainly closer to developer reality, heh |
| 10:52.55 | Bogaurd | i know that Torvalds was responsible for linux... but just out of interest, how much of the current kernel code is coded by him? not to belittle him or anything, im just curious if he is still a major developer |
| 10:53.04 | atholas | Thanks |
| 10:53.41 | Zero_Dogg | Bogaurd: he still does some work, and he monitors much of it - deciding which patches go in and such I believe |
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| 10:53.49 | markybob | Bogaurd, some. he himself said his main job is to say no |
| 10:53.58 | Bogaurd | oh ok |
| 10:54.03 | Guerin | Bogaurd: pretty big hunks of it. He doesn't write as much code nowadays as he reviews the code written by others, and makes sure things keep playing nice together. |
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| 10:54.25 | Bogaurd | Guerin: ok |
| 10:54.42 | Bogaurd | what distro does he run? :P something custom rolled? |
| 10:55.01 | Guerin | Bogaurd: he refuses to get drawn into partisanship like that. |
| 10:55.12 | Bogaurd | ah ok |
| 10:55.20 | petemc | theres a linus FAQ |
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| 10:57.30 | LMR | Hi |
| 10:57.48 | TheTom | how often i /tmp emptied? how can one change that? |
| 10:57.53 | LMR | what is the default smtp server and how to stop it |
| 10:57.59 | LMR | on Woody |
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| 10:58.04 | paulswm | TheTom: usually on reboot |
| 10:58.13 | TheTom | paulswm: aha. thanx |
| 10:58.31 | ledet | LMR: exim |
| 10:58.39 | paulswm | TheTom: you can remove stuff as you wish, provided you know nothing's using it |
| 10:58.46 | LMR | how to stop the daemon |
| 10:58.49 | ledet | LMR: /etc/init.d/exim4 stop |
| 10:58.54 | petemc | not on woody |
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| 10:59.14 | LMR | thanks |
| 10:59.32 | TheTom | paulswm: yeah. i'm the only one using this machine. i just use /tmp for screenshots and stuff that i'm gonna dcc or upload to a server |
| 10:59.37 | ledet | LMR: or similar... try! |
| 10:59.40 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to hot swap sata disks in linux? I have a server with a hot swap bay of sata disks and i'm trying to insert a spare disk on my linux software RAID array |
| 10:59.49 | jazzmanss | Where is a backup in some form stored of a file? My /home/user/.xsessions-error file is/was filling up at a rate of 1 gig per day, but now that file is no longer there and the space is eaten up again. du doesn't show the space consumed either. suggestions? sarge. /home is on a partition all to itself |
| 11:00.05 | LMR | still it is running |
| 11:00.19 | ledet | LMR: why do you want to kill it? |
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| 11:00.27 | LMR | I want to remove the SMTP server and need to get the Qmail up & running |
| 11:00.33 | paulswm | TheTom: you might find the FHS (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) useful reading, it in the debian docs, describes usage of /tmp |
| 11:00.41 | nailbiter | TheTom: edit /etc/default/rcS if you don't want /tmp to be unconditionally cleared at boot. |
| 11:00.48 | ledet | LMR: aha... kill it then |
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| 11:01.02 | TheTom | paulswm: nailbiter : thanx :) |
| 11:01.06 | nailbiter | TheTom: set TMPTIME to 1, for example, to have it only remove 1-day-old files on next boot. |
| 11:01.16 | TheTom | aha. got it |
| 11:01.23 | paulswm | TheTom: but it will of course be cleared anyway if you're mounting tmpfs on it :) |
| 11:01.39 | TheTom | of course |
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| 11:01.54 | LMR | is it anything to do with bootstrap |
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| 11:02.22 | directhex|work | :| fucking roman candle filesystem, my /home area is gone |
| 11:02.48 | LMR | what is the file is it init to stop the daemon |
| 11:03.27 | paulswm | directhex|work: that sucks, what fs were you using? |
| 11:03.35 | directhex|work | paulswm, ext3 |
| 11:04.14 | TheTom | paulswm: i found /usr/share/doc/base-files/README.FHS . didn't find anything in /usr/share/doc/debian/ . know exactly where it is? |
| 11:04.19 | paulswm | directhex|work: I'm sure you have better things to do than satisfy my curiosity on what happened, but, if you feel like letting off steam... |
| 11:04.27 | LMR | plz help me what is the file that I can stop the services when the system boots |
| 11:04.38 | nailbiter | TheTom: it's in the hier(7) manpage |
| 11:04.40 | deadcat | LMR: /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d |
| 11:04.49 | LMR | ok thanks |
| 11:05.28 | paulswm | TheTom: it's in the debian-policy package |
| 11:05.29 | nailbiter | LMR: if you remove the 'exim4' package, it'll not start on next boot. its startup scripts will notice the exim binaries missing and quietly pass |
| 11:05.54 | directhex|work | paulswm, firefox b0rked, wouldn't come back up due to read only filesystem, fsck'd /home, was completely borked. and /var/log/messages was full of 'journal sound like too much effort, fuck it' type messages from the kernel, which didn't help |
| 11:06.02 | Lambo | debian newbie here, just wondering whats the program on debian to setup an email |
| 11:06.37 | paulswm | directhex|work: I wonder why /home was ro in the first place |
| 11:06.39 | LMR | ya |
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| 11:06.56 | paulswm | directhex|work: like your characterization of the error messages, hah |
| 11:07.06 | nailbiter | Lambo: do a 'apt-get install mail-transport-agent' to see what choices you have. |
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| 11:08.04 | jazzmanss | Where is a backup in some form stored of a file? My /home/user/.xsessions-error file is/was filling up at a rate of 1 gig per day, but now that file is no longer there and the space is eaten up again. du doesn't show the space consumed either. suggestions? sarge. /home is on a partition all to itself using xfce4.0 |
| 11:08.49 | Gathond | jazzmanss: have you restarted X since you deleted the file? |
| 11:08.55 | jm_ | jazzmans: the space won't be reclaimed until the last app that has the file open exits |
| 11:08.56 | nailbiter | jazzmanss: disk space for a file is not released until it's closed by the last process using it. |
| 11:09.02 | jazzmanss | yes, and the space was freed up. |
| 11:09.17 | jazzmanss | the machine has rebooted since the file was deleted. |
| 11:09.24 | nailbiter | jazzmanss: if you want to avoid creating an anonymous file like this, you could symlink .xsession-errors to /dev/null. |
| 11:09.47 | Gathond | or solve whatever error it keeps nagging about :) |
| 11:09.49 | paulswm | jazzmans: start at /home and walk down the dir tree doing "du -sh *' to find where all the space is, then ls -al in that dir to find the file |
| 11:10.19 | jazzmanss | paulswm, did that, the space doesn't show up, only fdisk -l shows the correct space consumed. |
| 11:10.20 | Lambo | thank nailbiter |
| 11:10.26 | Lambo | thanks |
| 11:10.36 | TheTom | paulswm: where's the debian-policy package? :/ i'm kinda new to debian |
| 11:10.49 | paulswm | TheTom: apt-get install debian-policy |
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| 11:10.55 | blowfish | hello |
| 11:10.55 | nailbiter | jazzmanss: do a 'lsof' and look for an entry like '.xsession-errors (deleted)'. that's the anonymous file. |
| 11:10.58 | TheTom | ah :) |
| 11:11.09 | blowfish | question : i run qmail but courier-imap comes with exim4 |
| 11:11.35 | blowfish | everytime i make an update exim4 is update and distroy my symlink on sendmail |
| 11:11.42 | blowfish | how do i prevent from doing this again? |
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| 11:12.17 | paulswm | TheTom: and, welcome to debian :) |
| 11:12.23 | bob2 | blowfish: courier-imap doesn't come with exim4 |
| 11:12.28 | bob2 | it Depends on an MTA |
| 11:12.35 | jazzmanss | thanks for pointers nailbiter, searching lsof now. |
| 11:12.43 | bob2 | if you'd either used a proper MTA or install qmail properly, you wouldn't have this problem |
| 11:12.59 | bob2 | use 'equivs' to make a fake mail-transport-agent package |
| 11:13.02 | blowfish | bob2 i install qmail from sources |
| 11:13.08 | paulswm | aargh |
| 11:13.08 | blowfish | didnt know that qmail got a debian package |
| 11:13.16 | TheTom | paulswm: and where should i look for it when installed? yeah, thanx :) i've been using debian for a couple of months really. i'm happy with it. things are so smooth and easy, that's why i haven't had the need to diig deep yet |
| 11:13.17 | bob2 | blowfish: yes, I know, that's why it's all broken |
| 11:13.25 | bob2 | why do people use qmail in this day and age anyway? |
| 11:13.40 | blowfish | bob2 cause is good? |
| 11:13.46 | blowfish | way good then sendmail |
| 11:13.48 | rob0 | bob2: they don't know any better. It's a religion. |
| 11:13.53 | blowfish | i read about postfix and exim4 |
| 11:14.08 | bob2 | blowfish: in what way is it good? |
| 11:14.10 | blowfish | but dont implement any of them |
| 11:14.16 | blowfish | bob2 i get used to it |
| 11:14.19 | blowfish | that's why i use it |
| 11:14.24 | LMR | even after I stop exim when I port scan it shows port 25 is open, what may be the prob |
| 11:14.28 | LMR | help me |
| 11:14.32 | blowfish | i never try exim4 or postfix |
| 11:14.39 | deadcat | LMR: netstat -naptu |
| 11:14.42 | blowfish | i gona test them on my backup but i dont know if i gona use them |
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| 11:14.53 | nailbiter | LMR: do a 'fuser 25/tcp' to see what process is bound to port 25, then. |
| 11:15.03 | nailbiter | LMR: err, make that 'fuser -v 25/tcp'. |
| 11:15.04 | blowfish | and i read some articles that proves qmail is much better in handling traffic then exim4 |
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| 11:15.11 | blowfish | anyway this is my oppinion |
| 11:15.14 | nakeee | where can I find dpkg po files? |
| 11:15.22 | LMR | ya it is open 25 |
| 11:15.43 | LMR | status listen |
| 11:15.46 | blowfish | anyway bob2 if i wana remove exim4 from my box it need to remove courier-imap too |
| 11:15.53 | rob0 | article written by qmail groupies are not very persuasive. You simply can't do the kind of things with qmail that a real MTA can do. |
| 11:16.01 | bob2 | blowfish: by the fact you speak leetspeek, I really doubt you handle a very large amount of mail |
| 11:16.08 | bob2 | blowfish: indeed, read what I said |
| 11:16.12 | bob2 | 21:12:59 bob2 | use 'equivs' to make a fake mail-transport-agent package |
| 11:16.22 | paulswm | TheTom: well, I'm serving it with Apache, so for me it's http://localhost/doc/debian-policy/fhs/fhs.html/index.html which is /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/fhs.html/index.html on the filesystem |
| 11:16.33 | LMR | root |
| 11:16.33 | nailbiter | LMR: ok. 'fuser -kv 25/tcp' to kill whatever's bound to port 25, then. :) |
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| 11:16.35 | LMR | owned |
| 11:16.43 | blowfish | rob0 so qmail is not a real MTA? |
| 11:17.05 | blowfish | bob2 "by the fact you speak leetspeek" what do you mean ? |
| 11:17.07 | rob0 | not up to the standards of what is known in 2005, not by a long shot. |
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| 11:17.19 | LMR | pid 174 when I try to kill error msg no such a process |
| 11:17.21 | TheTom | paulswm: aha. good idea. thanx. |
| 11:17.25 | bob2 | blowfish: "cause is good?" |
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| 11:17.37 | bob2 | maybe I'm reading too much into it |
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| 11:18.01 | Phated | bob2: That's not leetspeak yet. Leetspeak is c4u53 |5 g00d. |
| 11:18.18 | paulswm | TheTom: yes, Apache is good, but don't forget to tie it down tight if you're not behind a firewall :) |
| 11:18.22 | rob0 | being a .ro, English is likely not a first language. |
| 11:18.40 | bob2 | yeah |
| 11:18.40 | blowfish | and never gona be |
| 11:18.49 | bob2 | I realised that after I opened my stupid big mouth |
| 11:18.52 | bob2 | blowfish: my apologies |
| 11:18.55 | rob0 | blowfish: you CAN run qmail, but it's not worth it |
| 11:19.01 | blowfish | bob2 no problem |
| 11:19.31 | rob0 | we are migrating away from qmail. I'm working on a grand comparison which explains why. |
| 11:19.34 | blowfish | rob0 i run it and i dont encounter any big problems |
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| 11:19.39 | paulswm | bob2: you're a scholar and a gentleman |
| 11:19.44 | LMR | I'm gonna edit inetd.conf |
| 11:19.57 | bob2 | paulswm: and a "fucking australian" |
| 11:19.58 | blowfish | rob0 migrating to what? |
| 11:20.09 | Phated | bob2: Only you call yourself that, my good man. :) |
| 11:20.16 | rob0 | Postfix, but Exim is a good choice for other reasons |
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| 11:20.19 | paulswm | bob2: well, I'm a Pommie bastard myslef :) |
| 11:20.22 | paulswm | myself |
| 11:20.27 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:20.27 | herodes | how can i set keyboard for allow caracters "<" ">" and similars? |
| 11:20.28 | TheTom | paulswm: i guess. i only use it locally though. my isp as blocked bort 80 so. i guess noone is ever safe, but..i have a sw fw running. planning on looking into iptables one of these days |
| 11:21.02 | LMR | thanks guys |
| 11:21.04 | blowfish | rob0 when i installed 1st qmail there was a remote hole for sendmail and that make me go to qmail |
| 11:21.10 | blowfish | that;s why i keep on using it |
| 11:21.12 | blowfish | i get used to if |
| 11:21.15 | blowfish | if=it |
| 11:21.16 | karsten | Anyone here use CSS, know how to specify a stylesheet for a particular website in userContent.css via an include-type syntax? |
| 11:21.19 | vwirem | Is there any way to remove a package AND all its dependancies (if they are not by other package)? |
| 11:21.29 | paulswm | TheTom: BTW, didn't mean to talk down to you, often debian users are new at pretty much everything |
| 11:21.36 | bob2 | vwirem: debfoster does that |
| 11:21.44 | blowfish | but i never see a very good top what proves to be legitim related to why qmail is bad and exim4 or postfix is good |
| 11:21.48 | paulswm | s/debian/new debian/ |
| 11:22.01 | blowfish | i wonder if that top will ever be good |
| 11:22.05 | vwirem | bob2, is it safe? |
| 11:22.11 | bob2 | vwirem: yes |
| 11:22.18 | bob2 | vwirem: check the results, tho |
| 11:22.24 | rob0 | blowfish: I understand. Went thru the same thing with my boss. We had customers screaming about spam. I said no, I wouldn't do it in qmail. So he tried, and failed. :) Told me to install Postfix. |
| 11:22.26 | bob2 | blowfish: qmail bounces mail sent to unknown users |
| 11:22.28 | bob2 | that's just shit |
| 11:22.29 | vwirem | bob2, thanks.. |
| 11:22.30 | herodes | how can i set keyboard for allow caracters "<" ">" and similars? dpk-reconfigure?? |
| 11:23.14 | rob0 | http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html (what bob2 was talking about) |
| 11:23.52 | rob0 | Stay with qmail, find yourself on blacklists sooner or later. |
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| 11:24.25 | bob2 | I should get more fascist about htat sort of thing |
| 11:24.34 | bob2 | but sbl-xbl blocks most stuff I don't want anyway |
| 11:25.13 | blowfish | i see |
| 11:25.14 | Bogaurd | hey... if anyone is interested in aviation, check out the new pics of the a380... ready to be officially unveiled tomorrow: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/751309/L/ |
| 11:25.21 | blowfish | rob0 thank u very much for the url |
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| 11:25.49 | rob0 | yw, and if you /msg me an email address I'll send you my draft of the comparison document. |
| 11:26.20 | blowfish | yes i want that |
| 11:26.40 | paulswm | Bogaurd: very nice, unfortunately my signle engine land license won't let me near it, heh |
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| 11:27.02 | Bogaurd | paulswm: heh |
| 11:27.09 | karsten | Anyone browse with slashdot-light? |
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| 11:27.42 | Bogaurd | karsten: sladot light? |
| 11:27.53 | karsten | Bogaurd: User prefs, "light" GUI. |
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| 11:28.06 | Bogaurd | karsten: ah ok |
| 11:28.15 | karsten | CSS to try w/ Slashdot light settings: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/slashdot-light.css |
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| 11:28.52 | karsten | Save a page /w slashdot light, edit to add: <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="./slashdot-light.css"> in the <head> segment, and view. |
| 11:29.04 | karsten | I'm trying to figure out how to get it to work in userContent.css. |
| 11:29.16 | paulswm | Bogaurd: don't understand why, it's only 3 more throttles and a bit heavier (and don't forget to wait for the jets to spool up) |
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| 11:30.19 | Gilles | hi |
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| 11:30.40 | SlayerXP | good morning hash=dweebians |
| 11:30.56 | Bogaurd | paulswm: according to the article it has the thrust of 3500 cars :P |
| 11:31.07 | Gilles | what wifi pcmcia card can i buy at "la fnac" that would work well on Debian ? |
| 11:31.30 | quitte | i'm having trouble with suspend. it works - but sounds stops working. i'm using alsa. it wasn'T a problem when alsa could be stopped forcibly before suspend. how do i configure that nowadays? |
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| 11:31.57 | paulswm | SlayerXP: g'day, as bob2 would say |
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| 11:32.42 | xptic | hi all. I just installed Sarge and dist-upgraded to Sid. I'm getting ready to install KDE. Are there any optional things besides "x-window-system mozilla-firefox kde" that I should install? |
| 11:32.47 | quitte | Gilles i suggest netgear. call them before actually buying - ask them what chipset that card has and check on the web if it is supported - or even better find a card that is supported in the kernel. shouldnt be hard with netgear |
| 11:32.58 | Indal | hmm IA-32, which is for intel 32 bit architecture (x86) apparently it says, why would they call it IA-36? usually IA is for itanium? |
| 11:33.06 | quitte | Gilles netgear support is free in most contries |
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| 11:33.34 | Gilles | quitte: even for linux ? |
| 11:33.34 | bob2 | Indal: intel likes renaming things |
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| 11:33.51 | Indal | ahh, ends up quite confusing |
| 11:33.58 | quitte | Gilles no - but i tried and they know the chipsets on their cards |
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| 11:34.34 | quitte | Gilles the 10/100 pccard nic i have here from them even has linux support mentioned on the box. that'S one reason i suggest them |
| 11:35.09 | Gilles | quitte: actually i have a netgear 108 Mbit/s right now, but i really don't how to make it work (with my freebox) |
| 11:35.20 | quitte | Gilles freebox? |
| 11:35.38 | paulswm | 108 Mbits? |
| 11:35.47 | quitte | 802.11h |
| 11:35.49 | hoe | how do i check up what device file corresponds to my floppy drive, if after `modprobe floppy` `mount /dev/fd0 ...` reports '/dev/fd0 is nit a valid block device'? |
| 11:35.50 | Gilles | quitte: yes, the modem of Free a european internet access provider |
| 11:36.05 | quitte | paulswm not yet officially standardized |
| 11:36.12 | Gilles | quitte: 802.11g |
| 11:36.14 | quitte | Gilles and it has linux? |
| 11:36.17 | paulswm | quitte: aaah |
| 11:36.34 | Gilles | quitte: what? |
| 11:36.37 | quitte | Gilles no g is 54mbit |
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| 11:36.49 | quitte | Gilles the freebox has linux as it' |
| 11:36.52 | quitte | s os? |
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| 11:37.18 | quitte | Gilles or do you mean you want the card in your laptop? |
| 11:37.19 | bob2 | g is rarely actually 54g |
| 11:37.23 | bob2 | er, 54mbit/s |
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| 11:37.36 | Gilles | quitte: it's written "108 Mbps, 2,4 GHz, 802.11 g" on the box |
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| 11:38.03 | quitte | bob2 the channel bundling needed for 54mbit sucks anyways. i'm using 22mbit only for that reason. |
| 11:38.10 | paulswm | ah, 108 is 54 * 2 |
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| 11:38.16 | Gilles | quitte: no, freebox is the name of the adsl modem of the society Free |
| 11:38.38 | quitte | Gilles and the netgear card is supposed to work in your linux laptop? |
| 11:38.45 | Gilles | quitte: the card is a pcmcia, on a laptop, yes |
| 11:38.58 | Gilles | quitte: I don't know actually |
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| 11:39.10 | quitte | Gilles ok. so - does a driver get loaded when you plug it in? |
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| 11:39.23 | Gilles | quitte: If it doesn't i can replace it for a 54 Mbps, or just get my money back |
| 11:39.26 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 11:39.46 | Gilles | quitte: Yes, on windows, i need a special driver |
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| 11:40.08 | quitte | Gilles i got some time right now - so i can help you a lot now. noone here cares if it works in windows or what it does there |
| 11:40.17 | Gilles | quitte: windows cannot manage it by itself, i need a special netgear software |
| 11:40.26 | quitte | Gilles i dont care |
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| 11:40.32 | quitte | you shouldn'T |
| 11:40.32 | Gilles | quitte: ok |
| 11:40.54 | quitte | so you are sitting in front of your laptop running debian right now? |
| 11:41.11 | Gilles | quitte: let me restart on debian... |
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| 11:41.29 | ChristianP | i download few months ago a debian sarge iso. Now i had problem with grub, so i want to rebuilt a working grub (i lost the possibility to enter in my win and lin partition). How can i do this? |
| 11:41.54 | quitte | oh great - i hope he has a way to connect his laptop to irc without the wlancard working |
| 11:42.05 | paulswm | quitte: heh |
| 11:42.13 | Dech | quitte: lol |
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| 11:44.03 | TheTom | huhm. i forgot how to stop/start/restart apache.. :/ |
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| 11:44.16 | bob2 | invoke-rc.d apache restart |
| 11:44.35 | paulswm | TheTom: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 11:44.43 | Dech | Anyone know whay apt-get is timing out and saying security.debian.org has an ip of 1.0.0.0, i searched around a bit and it seems to be a router problem with dns |
| 11:44.43 | paulswm | bob2: sry |
| 11:44.45 | karsten | SlashdotLite CSS screenies: http://linuxmafia.com/SlashdotLite/{standard.png,lite-no-css.png,lite-with-css.png} |
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| 11:45.05 | TheTom | ah. yes. think redhat had some other stupid way of doing it |
| 11:45.08 | gilles | quitte: okay, i'm on debian now, and the pcmcia card is well plugged |
| 11:45.40 | paulswm | bob2: that's cool, I didn't know about invoke-rc.d |
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| 11:45.48 | bob2 | ah |
| 11:45.49 | quitte | ok. lspci says what about the card? |
| 11:45.53 | herodes | if i have this arquitecture: cablemodem--->hub->pc1(router with fireall)+pc2 (host). pc1 have two interfaces :eth0 as dhcp and eth0:0 as local ip:192.168.0.3. PC 2 has etho: 192.168.0.2. My question is if pc1 can do NAT for eth0:0 |
| 11:46.23 | gilles | quitte: and the pcmcia card blinks |
| 11:46.34 | herodes | even eth0:0 is virtual |
| 11:46.57 | quitte | gilles. ok then change to text mode and try unpluggin and pluggin in the card. |
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| 11:47.15 | quitte | gilles do you see any messages about what happened on the screen now? |
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| 11:48.34 | gilles | quitte: no msg when i unplug and replug it |
| 11:48.49 | quitte | gilles hmm. lspci? |
| 11:49.15 | quitte | gilles what version of debian do you have installed - and what kernel? |
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| 11:49.24 | gilles | quitte: 0000:02:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments: Unknown device ac54 (rev 01) |
| 11:50.06 | quitte | gilles that'S not the card. |
| 11:50.06 | DrPete | is there a problem with the server? asterisk is empty |
| 11:50.10 | gilles | quitte: testing with kernel 2.6.9 |
| 11:50.19 | quitte | gilles compiled yourself? |
| 11:50.33 | gilles | quitte: no |
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| 11:50.52 | gilles | quitte: i took the kernel (only the kernel) from unstable |
| 11:51.06 | quitte | gilles do you have pcmcia-cs installed? |
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| 11:51.58 | gilles | quitte: yes, pcmcia-cs is installed |
| 11:52.16 | paulswm | crap, I have stuff to do but I'm enjoying this, I got $5 which says quitte will solve it |
| 11:52.30 | gilles | quitte: 0000:03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 11:52.32 | quitte | gilles: ok then there should be an entry for the card in lspci. can you msg me the whole output? |
| 11:52.38 | quitte | gilles aha |
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| 11:53.04 | gilles | quitte: that was hard to find... |
| 11:53.40 | gilles | quitte: pcmcia is written nowhere |
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| 11:54.04 | gilles | quitte: i thought it was about my eth card |
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| 11:54.58 | quitte | gilles it'S a pccard - not a pcmcia card. pcmcia is an old 16bit standard. pccards are more or less pci cards. |
| 11:55.59 | quitte | gilles www.madwifi.org |
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| 11:57.06 | quitte | gilles it's a netgear wg311, right? |
| 11:57.27 | gilles | quitte: no, WG511T |
| 11:57.56 | gilles | quitte: madwifi is a soft or just the name of a site that will help ? |
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| 11:59.33 | quitte | gilles madwifi has the driver for your card. |
| 11:59.52 | quitte | gilles seems to work on your card from what i found on the web |
| 12:00.36 | gilles | quitte: there are no debian package for madwifi, right ? |
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| 12:01.09 | quitte | gilles no |
| 12:01.32 | quitte | gilles so you'll have to recompile your kernel to build the driver. pretty easy |
| 12:01.49 | quitte | gilles apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 kernel-package |
| 12:02.56 | gilles | quitte: ok, done |
| 12:03.06 | quitte | ok. untar the kernel in usr/src |
| 12:03.13 | gilles | quitte: no, sorry... |
| 12:03.23 | gilles | quitte: package not found |
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| 12:03.42 | quitte | gilles then get it from packages.debian.org it'S in unstable |
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| 12:05.07 | Gu2e | Hi, I need to know if i can install debian on HP pavilion zt3447EA, i checked in http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hp.html but i coundn't find what i'm looking for... |
| 12:05.36 | b0ef | is it possible to read out the manufacturer from the spd on the ram chip? |
| 12:05.44 | quitte | Gu2e put a knoppix cd in the drive and try. if it works debian will work |
| 12:05.54 | Gu2e | i need to buy it first |
| 12:06.06 | spamhog | Gu2e: first time Debian? |
| 12:06.07 | quitte | Gu2e carry the cd in a shop then |
| 12:06.22 | Gu2e | well |
| 12:06.26 | Gu2e | it's not the first time |
| 12:06.38 | Gu2e | and the store don't let me use a cd there |
| 12:06.40 | gilles | quitte: okay, i have d/l : kernel-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-3_all.deb |
| 12:06.46 | miki_ | Hi, I have trouble using my Inline::Octave module. I have the testing version of both the module and perl, and while runing the example code in the Inline::Octave I get the following message: <--Undefined subroutine &main::jnk1 called at test.pl line 3-->. The module used to work sometime ago about 6 months, but maybe perl got updated or something. Any ideas? |
| 12:06.52 | quitte | gilles dpkg -i it |
| 12:06.52 | spamhog | Gu2e: so you are shopping for a Debian-friendly laptop? |
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| 12:07.12 | Gu2e | well |
| 12:07.18 | Gu2e | i need linux laptop |
| 12:07.29 | Gu2e | debian or slackware or gentoo |
| 12:07.29 | morner | erm |
| 12:07.35 | gilles | quitte: okay, it's done |
| 12:07.37 | morner | not strictly a debian question |
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| 12:07.48 | quitte | gilles installed kernel-package? |
| 12:07.56 | morner | but i suddenly have a pdflush process eating all (100%) of my cpu |
| 12:07.57 | morner | :/ |
| 12:08.00 | gilles | quitte: yes |
| 12:08.04 | spamhog | Gu2e: i'd turn everything around... 1st check Linux support, then buy... |
| 12:08.18 | morner | there's no shortage of swap or ram |
| 12:08.21 | morner | wtf is going on? |
| 12:08.26 | gilles | quitte: well, i did "dpkg -i kernel-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-3_all.deb" |
| 12:08.30 | quitte | Gu2e i'D rather buy a slower ibm than a hp. heard to many stories about bad hp support and laptops breaking |
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| 12:08.44 | fooz | hp laptops are pretty flimsy imho |
| 12:08.46 | Gu2e | well there is good HP support here |
| 12:08.51 | quitte | gilles ok then untar the kernel source in usr/src |
| 12:08.54 | fooz | i've got a thinkpad |
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| 12:09.15 | spamhog | Gu2e: I agree, IBM is well documented and generally well supported - if I had to I'd buy IBM secondhand, and I might, soon |
| 12:09.22 | gilles | quitte: how? |
| 12:09.44 | quitte | giles cd /usr/src . tar -xvjf kernel-source.....tar.bz2 |
| 12:09.49 | fooz | the problem with IBM is that they put anemic video chips in a lot of machines |
| 12:10.13 | quitte | i wish i had a t21 |
| 12:10.13 | morner | cripes |
| 12:10.16 | morner | still 100% >_< |
| 12:10.20 | morner | any suggestions? |
| 12:10.27 | Gu2e | ok then thanks |
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| 12:10.29 | morner | if i kill it, will my system mutiny? |
| 12:10.36 | fooz | morner, you can't kill it, it's a kernel task |
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| 12:10.53 | fooz | morner, are you using any strange block devices like usb? |
| 12:11.06 | morner | fooz: funny you should mention strange block devices |
| 12:11.07 | morner | yeah |
| 12:11.11 | morner | i was :| |
| 12:11.16 | fooz | reboot then |
| 12:11.23 | morner | ! |
| 12:11.33 | fooz | what do you think you're running, BSD? :P |
| 12:11.37 | fooz | </troll> |
| 12:11.51 | morner | this is the longest uptime i've got on this kernel tho :P |
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| 12:11.57 | paulswm | @win fooz |
| 12:11.59 | ravenbird | Congratulations, fooz! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:12.04 | quitte | morner or wait a few days until everything works fine again. |
| 12:12.14 | morner | hmmm |
| 12:12.15 | morner | this sucks |
| 12:12.19 | fooz | my laptop has a 64 day uptime |
| 12:12.20 | peppo | apt find uic impl |
| 12:12.23 | morner | i'm planning on using strange block devices a lot :| |
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| 12:12.32 | peppo | apt find impl qt |
| 12:12.33 | quitte | gilles ? |
| 12:12.34 | fooz | morner, what kind? |
| 12:12.46 | morner | fooz: compactflash adaptor |
| 12:12.53 | fooz | usb or pcmcia? |
| 12:12.58 | morner | usb mass storage |
| 12:12.59 | gilles | quite: yes, it's still decompacting |
| 12:13.02 | gilles | quitte |
| 12:13.18 | fooz | morner, it might not be the cause. pdflush goes nuts a lot anyway. what kernel version? |
| 12:13.24 | quitte | gilles damn - what kind of laptop is that? |
| 12:13.33 | morner | 2.6.latest-cko3 |
| 12:13.39 | fooz | whatever the hell that is |
| 12:13.42 | fooz | try a real kernel |
| 12:13.45 | morner | bah |
| 12:13.55 | fooz | :) |
| 12:13.56 | gilles | quite: it's a hp pavilion 2.8 GHz |
| 12:14.08 | morner | i'm pretty sure it'll be the mass storage driver going haywire |
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| 12:14.25 | morner | everything was working nicely untill just before i started it |
| 12:14.26 | fooz | my usb gadget doesn't bother my kernel |
| 12:14.31 | gilles | quite: i guess it's because i've d/l a kernel for all architecture |
| 12:14.32 | fooz | i'm running 2.6.8.1 though |
| 12:14.33 | morner | mine normally doesn't |
| 12:14.37 | morner | never has before |
| 12:14.51 | gilles | quite: (i suppose) |
| 12:14.58 | quitte | gilles no - there must be another reason. maybe disk io is just slow for some reason |
| 12:15.02 | morner | might have pushed some boundaries by transferring about a hundered megs across though |
| 12:15.17 | fooz | morner, linux USB support is a pain in the ass, I wish it worked right more often |
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| 12:15.42 | gilles | quitte: ok, it's done |
| 12:15.51 | quitte | gilles finally. |
| 12:16.04 | morner | how about if i unload the usb mass storage modules? |
| 12:16.10 | fooz | morner, you could try it |
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| 12:16.29 | quitte | gilles copy the config of your running kernel to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/.config then. the config is in /boot |
| 12:16.34 | gilles | quitte: my debian is surely not optimized... (i know it at least for the gaphic acceleration) |
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| 12:16.56 | gilles | quitte: how ? |
| 12:17.09 | quitte | sigh |
| 12:17.21 | _s4m | help |
| 12:17.31 | quitte | gilles: cp /boot/config-2.6.10... /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/.config |
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| 12:18.00 | _s4m | #help |
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| 12:18.11 | quitte | paulswm good idea. |
| 12:18.11 | Hugle | Hello all |
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| 12:18.25 | _s4m | high everybody |
| 12:18.29 | Hugle | Where could be the problem: mysql -h127.0.0.1 |
| 12:18.29 | Hugle | ERROR 2003: Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111) |
| 12:18.39 | paulswm | quitte: you are doing admirably though |
| 12:18.39 | Hugle | mysql -hlocalhost |
| 12:18.40 | Hugle | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. |
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| 12:18.51 | gilles | quitte: does this command look fine to you : "cp /boot/config-2.6.9-1-686 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/.config" ? |
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| 12:19.14 | quitte | gilles yes |
| 12:19.15 | Hugle | gilles: yes |
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| 12:19.28 | gilles | quitte: ok, then it's done |
| 12:19.46 | _s4m | bye |
| 12:19.46 | jj_ | soy juan josé y tu |
| 12:19.48 | quitte | gilles: cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/ |
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| 12:19.59 | quitte | hilles then make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 12:20.00 | morner | well |
| 12:20.05 | peppo | apt find qmutex.h |
| 12:20.07 | morner | that was certainly stupid |
| 12:20.22 | fooz | morner, What happen ?? |
| 12:20.24 | gilles | quitte: ok |
| 12:20.34 | morner | modprobe -r [everything to do with usb etc.] |
| 12:20.41 | morner | it worked |
| 12:20.51 | morner | but then i realised my keyboard and mouse are USB |
| 12:20.55 | fooz | haha |
| 12:20.56 | morner | which need usbhid |
| 12:21.06 | morner | had to ssh in and load 'em again :/ |
| 12:21.08 | quitte | gilles ok now wait until it's ready. in the meantime install cvs and get the source as it's described on the madwifi site |
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| 12:21.22 | quitte | gilles and do the cvs command in /usr/src |
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| 12:21.58 | gilles | quitte: cvs is installed |
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| 12:23.22 | quitte | gilles fine then do the cvs -z3 thing on the madwifi page |
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| 12:24.11 | quitte | gilles didn'T the make-kpkg command ask a few questions? |
| 12:24.25 | shadebob | Hi, just a question... How can I view rejected packets by iptables? |
| 12:24.37 | gilles | quitte: i didn't do the make-kpg command |
| 12:24.39 | bob2 | view what? |
| 12:24.48 | bob2 | the fact they existed? |
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| 12:24.53 | shadebob | just number of rejected packets |
| 12:25.05 | shadebob | bob2 : yes |
| 12:26.24 | bob2 | iptables -L -v |
| 12:26.24 | gilles | quitte: i didn't know, i running now |
| 12:26.24 | shadebob | bob2 : thanks |
| 12:26.24 | gilles | quitte: with some questions yes |
| 12:26.24 | gilles | quitte: but i don't know what to answer... |
| 12:26.24 | gilles | quitte: Kernel Userspace Events (KOBJECT_UEVENT) [Y/n/?] (NEW) |
| 12:27.53 | gilles | quitte: i just did ENTER |
| 12:27.55 | peterS | gilles: that's why God gave us the option help |
| 12:28.18 | peterS | gilles: it's also why the Debian kernel team gave us precompiled kernels |
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| 12:29.05 | fooz | oo that looks like a new option |
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| 12:29.54 | anf | helo |
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| 12:30.45 | gilles | what mean the "m" when you're compiling a kernel ? |
| 12:30.46 | quitte_ | gilles sorry i got disconnected can you repeat what you said after cvs is installed? |
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| 12:31.00 | quitte_ | gilles it means compile as a module |
| 12:31.19 | gilles | quitte_: i said that i didn't know that i had to run make-dpkg |
| 12:31.29 | quitte_ | gilles just press enter for all questions if you don'T know the answers |
| 12:31.39 | quitte_ | gilles uhm i told you - didn'T i? |
| 12:31.44 | gilles | quitte_: ok, that's what i'm doing |
| 12:31.53 | gilles | quitte_: no... ;) |
| 12:32.02 | quitte_ | gilles then make-kpkg kernel-image - i told hilles |
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| 12:32.36 | gilles | quitte_: i just did "make-kpkg" |
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| 12:33.04 | quitte_ | gilles ok then do make-kpkg kernel-image when you are ready with make-kpkg |
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| 12:33.11 | joshua__ | hay folks, is there an iso for sid? |
| 12:33.17 | quitte_ | gilles the driver is downloaded? |
| 12:33.25 | fooz | joshua__, sid wouldn't fit in an ISO image. |
| 12:33.25 | quitte_ | joshua no. |
| 12:33.50 | gilles | quitte_: no... |
| 12:33.52 | joshua__ | fooz: ok, than is there an amd-64 debian sarge iso? |
| 12:33.53 | quitte_ | joshua that wouldn'T make much sense as sid changes all the time |
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| 12:34.06 | fooz | joshua__, no clue. check the debian site |
| 12:34.07 | joshua__ | sure I understand quitte_ |
| 12:34.25 | gilles | quitte_: what is the file to d/l ? |
| 12:34.34 | paulswm | heh |
| 12:34.39 | quitte_ | gilles then download it with cvs -z3 like it is described on the madwifi page |
| 12:34.50 | quitte_ | paulswm i said that before i got disconnected? |
| 12:34.58 | paulswm | quitte_: yesy |
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| 12:35.00 | paulswm | yes |
| 12:35.28 | joshua__ | fooz: is the IA64 the version thatll run on amd 64 systems? |
| 12:35.46 | nicolade | Hi, how can I ensure that "sshd" will always run if the box got rebootet? Now I always have to log in as root and type "sshd". |
| 12:35.55 | fooz | joshua__, no. the I there means 'intel' |
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| 12:36.03 | fooz | joshua__, IA64 is Itanic |
| 12:36.22 | quitte_ | paulswm i think i can manage to get him to load the module - but configuring the device - sigh. i hope he knows the configuration of his ap. but i doubt it |
| 12:36.23 | joshua__ | hmm thats what I thought, but I thought that debian has an amd64 version, no? |
| 12:36.25 | fooz | nicolade, try dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 12:36.30 | nicolade | fooz: thanks |
| 12:36.41 | jm_ | joshua__: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 12:36.41 | nicolade | joshua__: thats right |
| 12:36.43 | fooz | joshua__, no clue, i'm too poor to afford amd64 hardware |
| 12:36.56 | fooz | joshua__, i am still using a 386sx16 with 3MB of RAM and kernel 1.x |
| 12:37.02 | fooz | pity me :( |
| 12:37.05 | joshua__ | ;) |
| 12:37.10 | joshua__ | thanks jm_ |
| 12:37.11 | paulswm | quitte_: well at least you can get him most of the way there |
| 12:37.14 | gilles | quitte_: i could d/l the "Precompiled Madwifi Drivers"... |
| 12:37.22 | quitte_ | gilles no. |
| 12:37.38 | fooz | joshua__, the limit of my knowlege is that you can install debian x86 and run an x86-64 kernel |
| 12:37.44 | quitte_ | gilles just do the cvs thing. you want modules that work with *your* kernel |
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| 12:38.00 | joshua__ | gotchyah fooz |
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| 12:38.24 | gilles | quitte_: i don't understand what you call cvs, is it a method, a soft ? |
| 12:38.25 | mlewis00 | The best place to start is the ports link on the Debian home page... |
| 12:38.32 | mlewis00 | For AMD64 |
| 12:38.54 | Rotty | assuming i've gotten my hands on some .ttf files, how do I install them the debian way, so they work with openoffice (at least)? |
| 12:39.01 | SlayerXP | whoa, major exim4 upgrade |
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| 12:39.11 | gilles | quitte_: i think i got it... |
| 12:39.15 | quitte_ | gilles look on the page - scroll down ... see the command that says cvs -z3 ..... just copy and paste that in your shell and execute it in the directory /usr/src |
| 12:39.17 | joshua__ | hmm theres a sid amd64 netinst.iso |
| 12:40.45 | jamie_ | if i have nothing in /usr/src/ can i still make a custom kernel ? |
| 12:41.08 | hoe | Hi all, anyone has the idea of how to prevent module from beeing loaded at startup, during loading modules for networking cards /2.6.10 kernel/ ? Blacklisting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist didn't work as I expected, since the module is loaded earlier than the hotplug system. |
| 12:41.12 | bob2 | jamie_: theres no point, but if you insist, install a kernel-souce package |
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| 12:41.32 | quitte_ | hoe remove it from etc/modules if it is there |
| 12:41.37 | drasko | hello |
| 12:41.39 | jamie_ | bob2 i have a kernel complied with out nfs, still no poit ? |
| 12:41.49 | bob2 | jamie_: the debian kernels include nfs |
| 12:41.53 | hoe | quitte_: it isn't mentioned anywhere in system confs |
| 12:41.58 | gilles | quitte_: ok i did it until "make" where i get an error msg |
| 12:42.09 | drasko | one question i have a problem with make menuconfig |
| 12:42.10 | jamie_ | bob2 some one has costomized this one so it doesn't |
| 12:42.27 | quitte_ | gilles i that'S ok. you can'T build the module without the kernel being ready |
| 12:42.41 | quitte_ | gilles is make-kpkg kernel-image already running? |
| 12:42.42 | gilles | quitte_: of course |
| 12:42.54 | Frogger_ | Anyone know where I might find a very basic doc explaining in a "dumb user" fashion, on how to install this. |
| 12:42.55 | gilles | quitte_: not yet |
| 12:42.58 | bob2 | jamie_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 12:42.59 | quitte_ | gilles why? |
| 12:43.04 | bob2 | jamie_: install one of them |
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| 12:43.20 | Jewbird | Hey Guys |
| 12:43.36 | yalu | is there a solution to locking problems over nfs when you use the nfs user server? |
| 12:43.39 | paulswm | Frogger_: install what? |
| 12:43.39 | gilles | quitte_: i still have a lot of lines like : "CC [M] fs/nls/nls_iso8859-4.o", the kernel is still compiling i suppose |
| 12:43.50 | Frogger_ | Debian |
| 12:43.58 | jamie_ | bob2 would if i could but there are othere resons why i am useing this kernel |
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| 12:44.08 | bob2 | yalu: yes, "yes the kernel server" |
| 12:44.13 | bob2 | jamie_: which are? |
| 12:44.17 | quitte_ | gilles ok then. never used make-kpkg without an argument. i hope it will spit out a kernel-image though. |
| 12:44.27 | yalu | bob2: I stopped using that since it's WAY too unstable |
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| 12:44.55 | bob2 | yalu: on which kernel version? |
| 12:44.59 | drasko | i need help |
| 12:45.03 | jamie_ | bob2 has been costomized for our needs |
| 12:45.06 | paulswm | bob2 is there a factoid for newbie installing debian, Frogger_ wants a simple guide |
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| 12:45.15 | yalu | bob2: 2.4.21 |
| 12:45.16 | gilles | quitte_: i hope so |
| 12:45.18 | quitte_ | gilles how much do you know about how your "freebox" is configured? |
| 12:45.20 | drasko | anyone? |
| 12:45.30 | bob2 | yalu: use something vaguely modern |
| 12:45.35 | bob2 | jamie_: and which needs are those? |
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| 12:45.40 | thoreauputic | Frogger_: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 |
| 12:45.44 | bob2 | drasko: you need to ask a question |
| 12:45.47 | paulswm | Frogger_: firstly, install 'sarge', it is *much* easier to install |
| 12:45.48 | gilles | quitte_: i have to activate it on the Net, and that's all |
| 12:45.54 | thoreauputic | Frogger_: although that's for woody |
| 12:46.00 | jamie_ | bob2 not sure of all of them was just told to use this |
| 12:46.13 | bob2 | paulswm: there are a few "newbie" guides out there, but I'm more and more thinking that people who find debian too hard should use ubuntu |
| 12:46.15 | Frogger_ | Oh, so do I put the stable build on disk? |
| 12:46.26 | gilles | quitte_: i mean activate the wifi on it via the net |
| 12:46.31 | spdf | bob2, I agree |
| 12:47.08 | drasko | Ok - make menuconfig dont work. It needs some ncourses libraries. I don have net - my b44 dont work with 2.2 kernel. |
| 12:47.10 | spdf | bob2, They seem to be aiming towards that audience... |
| 12:47.10 | quitte_ | gilles well - no that's not all. you can set wep keys and that sort of stuff somewhere in that net frontend |
| 12:47.26 | bob2 | spdf: well, that and advanced developers |
| 12:47.30 | gilles | quitte_: yes, i can |
| 12:47.34 | bob2 | drasko: install build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
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| 12:47.36 | paulswm | Frogger_: install sarge (testing), it's much easier to install |
| 12:47.40 | quitte_ | gilles anyways - install wireless-tools |
| 12:47.42 | bob2 | drasko: also, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 12:48.05 | gilles | quitte_: it's installed already |
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| 12:48.08 | Frogger_ | oops, what if I already put everything on disk? Is it still much harder? |
| 12:48.08 | drasko | what is apt-cache... |
| 12:48.42 | bob2 | drasko: a comand that has a manpage |
| 12:48.42 | draven_ | is this jeopardy? |
| 12:48.48 | drasko | does build-essentiall requires some other packages? |
| 12:49.13 | thoreauputic | drasko: apt will get all dependencies for you |
| 12:49.20 | paulswm | Frogger_: what do you mean by putting everything on disk |
| 12:49.22 | draven_ | apt will get you laid |
| 12:49.27 | spdf | drasko, It's for searching (among other things) the apt package cache.. |
| 12:49.28 | bob2 | drasko: yes |
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| 12:49.34 | iceman | drasko: apt-cache show build-essential |
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| 12:49.50 | drasko | where from will it get dependencies - i dont have a network. |
| 12:49.54 | quitte_ | gilles: do you know the essid of your "freebox" ? |
| 12:49.55 | Frogger_ | I already put woody on disk , can I still use it instead, and then upgrade? |
| 12:50.09 | paulswm | Frogger_: you've already installed woody? |
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| 12:50.21 | spdf | Frogger_, at the prompt, put in bf24 |
| 12:50.23 | iceman | drasko: Depends: libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 3:3.3), g++ (>= 3:3.3), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.1.19) |
| 12:50.23 | streuner | Frogger: in order to use sarge? |
| 12:50.36 | spdf | Frogger_, I'm not sure the b44 works in that one either..but it might.. |
| 12:50.39 | gilles | quitte_: what means essid ? |
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| 12:50.56 | Frogger_ | No, it's on disks right now, I'm in WIn |
| 12:51.13 | spdf | Frogger_, Do you have another CDR? |
| 12:51.13 | drasko | iceman: so do i have to download this all before i install mentioned packages? |
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| 12:51.31 | paulswm | Frogger_: well if you haven't installed, get the sarge netinstall iso and forget about the woody stuff |
| 12:51.35 | thoreauputic | drasko: umm.. you're on line, the deps will get pulled in if your sources are set up |
| 12:51.37 | spdf | Frogger_, You'd be better off with the Sarge netinst...200 or so MB... |
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| 12:51.42 | quitte_ | gilles sigh. it's the id that identifies your wireless network. it's used so that if there are several wireless networks each host knows which network it belongs to |
| 12:51.49 | gilles | quitte_: i don't know the essid of my freebox |
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| 12:52.03 | Karhuton | After last dist-upgrade my alsa, of Sarge, doesn't support multiple pcm sources anymore. What to do? |
| 12:52.05 | Frogger_ | What's netinst, I just used BT |
| 12:52.06 | quitte_ | gilles then try finding it out |
| 12:52.17 | gilles | quitte_: ok.... |
| 12:52.25 | paulswm | Frogger_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:52.29 | drasko | thoreauputic: nope, i'm on line on other machine |
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| 12:53.06 | paulswm | Frogger_: and read the docs (links on that page) first |
| 12:53.11 | Frogger_ | ok |
| 12:53.26 | spdf | Frogger_, You want the Netinst CD image for i386.. |
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| 12:53.35 | Frogger_ | yes |
| 12:54.15 | thoreauputic | drasko: well 1) configure Debian to connect to internet 2) run apt-setup 3)profit! |
| 12:54.25 | paulswm | Frogger_: once you've read the docs, and burned the iso, installation should be a breeze |
| 12:54.48 | Frogger_ | oh ok, so I throw out all these woddy's I created? |
| 12:54.53 | Frogger_ | and redo |
| 12:55.01 | paulswm | Frogger_: installation of woody is a huge pain in the ass and pointless right now, that's why we're pointing you at sarge |
| 12:55.01 | Frogger_ | with sarge? |
| 12:55.01 | spdf | Frogger_, Pretty much..the Woody installation is a waste of time.. |
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| 12:55.15 | Frogger_ | oh ok, thanks |
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| 12:55.25 | paulswm | Frogger_: use them as coasters, or melt them into little flower pots |
| 12:55.29 | spdf | Frogger_, You'll appreciate how much better sarge is.. |
| 12:55.33 | spdf | Frogger_, MICROWAVE! |
| 12:55.33 | Frogger_ | :P |
| 12:55.38 | Frogger_ | haha |
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| 12:55.48 | Frogger_ | Thanks |
| 12:55.52 | paulswm | Frogger_: np |
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| 12:56.22 | spdf | I just read that again... "so I throw out all these woody's I created...'....bwah! |
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| 12:56.37 | Lambo | i ran phpinfo() to see if sendmail is setup it displayed: sendmail_from me@localhost.com and sendmail_path /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i. But it isn't sending email, anyone know why? |
| 12:56.41 | MadA | hello all |
| 12:57.07 | hipp | hi |
| 12:57.11 | quitte | gilles kernel still isn't ready? |
| 12:57.19 | kamils | Why apt-proxy-import tell me "gpm_1.19.6-19_i386.deb skipped - no suitable backend found" ? |
| 12:57.31 | MadA | if an onboard graphics controller is only supported up to 1024x768 with windows, but in linux i am able to run 1280x1024 .... is that bad for the hardware? |
| 12:57.32 | quitte | gilles the essid might be called wireless id or something like that |
| 12:57.42 | spdf | MadA, Nope.. |
| 12:57.45 | gilles | quitte_: yes, the kernel is still not ready |
| 12:57.51 | spdf | MadA, really all it's using is more memory... |
| 12:57.52 | MadA | spdf: you positive? |
| 12:58.05 | spdf | MadA, 99% |
| 12:58.12 | MadA | spdf: awesome, good enough for me |
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| 12:58.16 | paulswm | MadA: no, as long as you are within the limits of the actual hardware |
| 12:58.19 | quitte | gilles in windows have you been asked to choose from available networks at any point? |
| 12:58.41 | MadA | paulswm: hrmm... i think i'll look that up |
| 12:58.54 | spdf | MadA, What's the controller? |
| 12:58.58 | spdf | MadA, Intel? |
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| 12:59.14 | KonvIRC | sorry i missed the first part of the convo, re. "woody a waste of time, use sarge" -- was sarge recommended to Frogger_ as a workstation or server? I ask because I'm about to build up a woody box for a small business gateway/server ... i know sarge is nearly ready, but i'm choosing woody for the security updates -- should I be using sarge too? |
| 12:59.19 | paulswm | MadA: I was thinking about the refresh frequencies, but if it's working I agree with spdf , you're almost certainly OK |
| 12:59.21 | MadA | spdf: intel i810 |
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| 12:59.38 | MadA | paulswm: yeah, i am using it right now |
| 12:59.48 | Phated | KonvIRC: For a server, stick to woody. |
| 12:59.49 | spdf | MadA, You're fine, I have the i810 on my old computer and I run it at the same.. |
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| 13:00.15 | gilles | quitte_: when i have activated the wifi for the freebox, they gave me (that i choose), a channel number (which i choose too), and a WEP key (automatically generated) |
| 13:00.27 | spdf | MadA, You may only get 60hz, but your monitor may not support much higher than that anyway... |
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| 13:00.53 | quitte | gilles and you had to tell your windows driver that wep key? |
| 13:00.55 | MadA | spdf: yup ... running at exactly 60Hz |
| 13:01.14 | gilles | quitte_: i haven't tried the wifi on windows |
| 13:01.23 | spdf | I want to get a new monitor so I can run at 1600x1200...Gianormus... |
| 13:01.36 | chemaja | Phated: as i gussed -- thanks |
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| 13:01.42 | Phated | chemaja: Wha? |
| 13:01.55 | chemaja | "<Phated> KonvIRC: For a server, stick to woody." |
| 13:01.56 | Phated | spdf: I'd like to run at twice that, on a 30" LCD... :) |
| 13:02.00 | chemaja | i changed my nick -- sorry :) |
| 13:02.00 | Phated | chemaja: Oh, right. |
| 13:02.08 | Phated | No worries. |
| 13:02.08 | quitte | spdf 2048x1536@85hz here :) |
| 13:02.09 | spdf | MadA, You'll probably get a headache after a little bit at 60... |
| 13:02.10 | MadA | spdf: that would be nice ... a big 23" Apple Cinema display would 0wn |
| 13:02.20 | spdf | MadA, Dual even :) |
| 13:02.31 | chemaja | MadA: but you'd probably nead a personal l0an |
| 13:02.33 | chemaja | ;-) |
| 13:02.39 | MadA | spdf: naw ... i'm not too sensitive to thing like that, but if i do ... would 1024x768 remedy that? |
| 13:02.53 | MadA | spdf: ah yes, dual .... mmmm |
| 13:03.17 | spdf | MadA, It's fun pricing G5's with Dual Displays and 8gb of ram... $19,000.... And then a 4TB XServe... Almost $40,000 after taxes and shipping... |
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| 13:04.16 | MadA | spdf: yes, dreaming is quite fun |
| 13:04.38 | spdf | MadA, Some day I'll have a 1)..2)..3)profit scheme that'll buy me one of those babies.. |
| 13:04.54 | MadA | but then again ... you could build a linux system for quite a few K cheaper that will perform just as well |
| 13:04.57 | Phated | Or make you bankrupt... |
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| 13:05.08 | MadA | spdf: yes i will ... i hope to invent something ground breaking |
| 13:05.09 | spdf | MadA, Definately |
| 13:05.39 | MadA | once i go multi-billion and bitch slap bill gates with my wallet, i will buy the whole debian community new computers |
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| 13:06.01 | Phated | MadA: Dude. We're going to hold you to that, you know. |
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| 13:06.17 | dur | Installing debian 3.0 and I am stuck on the NIC option for my: ASRock P4V88 it has a built in NIC and the MB uses the VIA chipset VT8237 can anyone please tell me which one I should use during the debian install? TIA |
| 13:06.17 | Phated | Dual Opterons all round! |
| 13:06.40 | schizoschaf | Join flood |
| 13:06.43 | MadA | Phated: good, do it |
| 13:06.47 | MadA | w00t! |
| 13:06.53 | Phated | MadA: Schweeet. |
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| 13:06.55 | quitte | gilles well i think i found out how to find out your essid once kernel and modules are loaded. do you know your essid? |
| 13:06.58 | MadA | one day ... |
| 13:07.07 | quitte | gilles err wepkey |
| 13:07.13 | peterS | dur: VIA makes a series of NICs called the "Rhine"s, but you could easily have something else on your motherboard as well. best find out what. |
| 13:07.29 | MadA | i already know what i plan to do ... i just need the right engineers to make it, i will give it the instruction set :) |
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| 13:07.50 | quitte | MadA ground breaking lika a shovel? |
| 13:07.50 | spdf | An army of money making robots... |
| 13:07.51 | dur | hoping maybe someone is using that mb here :) |
| 13:08.10 | Guerin | by the time he makes it, a dual opteron will be the kind of computer only toresbe will care about |
| 13:08.11 | MadA | quitte: no, like google.com type of groud breaking |
| 13:08.24 | gilles | quitte_: i don't know my essid, but i know the wep key (if it's the same, then excuse my senselessness) |
| 13:08.34 | mikeOman | Hello all, since fiew days i've a problem with logrotate, the problem is :the logs don't work anymore just for mysql & snort this is my cron daily error mail : |
| 13:08.38 | mikeOman | error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mysql.log /var/log/mysql/mysql.log /var/log/mysql.err /var/log/mysql/mysql.err /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log |
| 13:08.41 | MadA | would a lower resolution make up for the fact that my refresh rate sucks ass? |
| 13:08.44 | spdf | gilles, You're connecting to your own wireless AP right? |
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| 13:08.48 | quitte | gilles no - i just typed essid when i meant wepkey |
| 13:08.54 | spdf | MadA, 60 is fine |
| 13:08.57 | spdf | MadA, That's what I'm at... |
| 13:09.03 | MadA | spdf: lol, okies |
| 13:09.12 | gilles | quitte_: what's AP ? |
| 13:09.13 | MadA | i just might have to start wearing my glasses more often |
| 13:09.22 | spdf | MadA, After a couple of hours of staring at the screen it might hurt a bit.. |
| 13:09.25 | Phated | MadA: The monitor itself may not be able to handle a higher refresh rate at your resolution. |
| 13:09.25 | quitte | gilles access point. your freebox |
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| 13:09.35 | Phated | Bah, I do 12 hours a day at 60Hz. |
| 13:09.48 | gilles | quitte_: yes, i'm connected from the ethernet port of the freebox |
| 13:10.03 | quitte | gilles spdf asked ;) |
| 13:10.04 | MadA | yeah i can definately tell the usage of ram |
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| 13:10.35 | peterS | dur: I hear they're using that exact motherboard over at google.com |
| 13:10.50 | eye69 | dur: Via 6103 |
| 13:10.50 | quitte | can the ones sitting in front of a lcd screen please stop telling that 60hz is enough |
| 13:10.52 | dur | they are? |
| 13:11.12 | dur | I know they use linux... |
| 13:11.38 | xam | Phated that makes 2592000 frames. Hope you are not epileptic |
| 13:11.53 | Phated | xam: Dude... I could have done without that info, but no. |
| 13:11.56 | peterS | dur: no, that was a joke. that *is*, however a web site where you might find out more information |
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| 13:12.17 | dur | ah |
| 13:12.26 | eye69 | dur: Choose the rhine driver |
| 13:12.28 | dur | did that, peterS. |
| 13:12.44 | xam | Phated: on the edge? |
| 13:12.49 | MadA | how the hell did i forget to install "unzip" |
| 13:12.51 | MadA | ?* |
| 13:12.56 | Phated | xam: Soon, soon... |
| 13:13.11 | peterS | MadA: fortunately it's an easy package name to figure out, when you know what program you need |
| 13:13.13 | Phated | MadA: Why not? It isn't like in the default install. |
| 13:13.27 | dur | ok, I guess I can always change it.. |
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| 13:14.45 | MadA | Phated: i know, but so many sources are .zip these days |
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| 13:15.08 | MadA | when i started on linux, all source was .tar.gz ... now they are .zip-ing everything :/ |
| 13:15.11 | Phated | MadA: tgz, tgz! |
| 13:15.18 | Qerub | How do I rename a window in screen? :) |
| 13:15.22 | Phated | Which bloody bastards would zip them? |
| 13:15.31 | MadA | Phated: .tgz .tar.gz ... same difference |
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| 13:15.45 | rafx | tbz2, tbz2! |
| 13:15.46 | gilles | quitte_: it takes quite a long time to compile... |
| 13:15.46 | Phated | MadA: I meant, instead of zip. |
| 13:15.55 | Phated | Qerub: man screen, please. |
| 13:16.13 | MadA | Phated: i know |
| 13:16.33 | MadA | ok, it's 7:15am here .... i need to go to bed |
| 13:16.33 | quitte | gilles make-kpkg kernel-image would have been a lot faster |
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| 13:16.39 | Qerub | Phated: Yeah... |
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| 13:16.47 | MadA | night all, i'll stop in tomorrow (later today) sometime |
| 13:16.47 | Qerub | Phated: Found it now. |
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| 13:16.55 | gilles | quitte_: do you me to stop the process and redo it ? |
| 13:17.01 | Phated | Yay, he's gone. |
| 13:17.10 | MadA | thanx a million Phated and spdf |
| 13:17.17 | Phated | MadA: Have a nice day. |
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| 13:17.51 | spdf | MadA, Oh..I suppose I should have discussed payment... |
| 13:17.52 | gilles | quitte_: s/do you/do you want |
| 13:17.58 | quitte | gilles no. now it should have done enough so that it isn'T worth restarting |
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| 13:18.14 | clojster | how can I convert png's to xpm's? |
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| 13:18.41 | spdf | clojster, Google has this great png to xpm converter... *cough* |
| 13:18.46 | Phated | Open it in the gimp and then save it as xpm? No idea how well that works though. |
| 13:18.47 | SlayerXP | clojster: with a png to xpm convertor |
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| 13:19.49 | [TheAsp] | install image magick |
| 13:19.55 | [TheAsp] | conver foo.png foo.xpm, done. |
| 13:20.00 | [TheAsp] | convert that is... |
| 13:20.11 | xam | bah ... netpbm should do it |
| 13:20.16 | [TheAsp] | netpbm is slower |
| 13:20.25 | [TheAsp] | cus it has an intermediate step |
| 13:20.47 | xam | [TheAsp] but you can automate it |
| 13:21.02 | [TheAsp] | you can automate convert... |
| 13:21.09 | [TheAsp] | actually, netpbm cant do it |
| 13:21.14 | [TheAsp] | there is no pnmtoxpm |
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| 13:21.38 | gilles | quitte_: it's done |
| 13:21.53 | quitte | gilles hooray |
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| 13:21.58 | paulswm | hooray! |
| 13:22.02 | clojster | and can I do cnovert *.png *.xpm? to convert all pngs to xpms? |
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| 13:22.05 | spdf | Huzzah! |
| 13:22.06 | quitte | gilles cd /usr/src |
| 13:22.08 | gilles | quitte_: yes ;) |
| 13:22.15 | quitte | gilles ls *.deb |
| 13:22.22 | [TheAsp] | clojster: no, but you can do this: for i in *.png; do convert $i $i.xpm; done |
| 13:22.25 | spdf | clojster, Here... http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-graf/?ca=dnt-428 |
| 13:22.27 | gilles | quitte: but i didn't do the "make-kpkg kernel-image" |
| 13:22.37 | gilles | quitte: or anything about the kernel-image |
| 13:22.49 | [TheAsp] | clojster: that will make foo.png.xpm, there is some shell trickery to get it to make it foo.xpm |
| 13:22.52 | quitte | gilles are there debs in usr/src? |
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| 13:22.57 | [TheAsp] | but its too early in the morning for me to remember it |
| 13:23.12 | spdf | TheAsp, for i in `ls *.png`; do convert...etc... |
| 13:23.13 | xam | [TheAsp] because it is ppmtoxbm |
| 13:23.17 | zakame | anyone suffering Firefox RSS lag? |
| 13:23.27 | [TheAsp] | spdf: *.png will give the same result |
| 13:23.33 | gilles | quitte: no, no deb package in /usr/src |
| 13:23.37 | spdf | Reeeally.. |
| 13:23.40 | [TheAsp] | yes. |
| 13:23.52 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 13:23.52 | spdf | Good to know.. |
| 13:23.56 | quitte | gilles ok then do the make-kpkg kernel-image |
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| 13:24.05 | Phated | It's kernel_image. |
| 13:24.20 | Phated | Underscore, not hyphen. |
| 13:24.21 | quitte | what does make-kpkg without an argument do anyways? |
| 13:24.22 | spdf | Dont' forget --initrd, if you're using it... |
| 13:24.29 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Is that a song? |
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| 13:24.37 | [TheAsp] | spdf: *.png gets expanded for the ls as it would to fill in the list. all the ls does is echo the filename back in your case |
| 13:24.42 | quitte | Phated both works |
| 13:24.47 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Latest hit from the Debian team. |
| 13:24.53 | quitte | spdf argh - right |
| 13:25.11 | quitte | gilles interrupt that. and do it with --initrd ,too |
| 13:25.24 | ricky_clarkson | It's Deb.. it's Debian, it's Deb.. it's Debian, but re-re-re-re-re-re-member, it's underscore, not hy-I-phen. |
| 13:25.48 | [TheAsp] | hah |
| 13:25.53 | quitte | gilles make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 13:25.55 | Phated | Why would you -bother- with making an initrd if you were to compile your own kernel? Unless you were compiling it for use on a different machine. |
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| 13:26.18 | [TheAsp] | phaethon: phat kernels? :) |
| 13:26.21 | [TheAsp] | err |
| 13:26.23 | quitte | Phated: he recompiled a debian kernel to use a third party wlan driver |
| 13:26.23 | [TheAsp] | phated |
| 13:26.26 | paulswm | Phated: you evidently haven't been following the saga |
| 13:26.26 | spdf | Phated, I like modules... |
| 13:26.43 | Phated | paulswm: I'd like to remain as far out of this initrd tragedy as possible. |
| 13:26.43 | gilles | quitte: i copy-pasted the msg it gave me in private |
| 13:26.58 | paulswm | Phated: started as a pilot show, now it's a miniseries |
| 13:26.59 | spdf | Phated, and I somehow fudge up getting ext3 into the kernel...EVERYTIME.. |
| 13:27.20 | Phated | spdf: Filesystems -> ext3 support, hit y... How hard is that? |
| 13:27.36 | Phated | paulswm: Oh why can't they just cançel it and kill off the main character. |
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| 13:27.40 | iMeXdiAC | im trying to get the gkrellm (network monitor) running .. i got via apt gkrellm gkrellm-common .. now how do i start the thing tried just "gkrellm" in the terminal starts but nothing shows up i guess i have to choose a plugin but how (be did already look at man gkrellm) .. |
| 13:27.42 | [TheAsp] | I wish debian wouldnt setup mdadm they way it does in initrd's |
| 13:27.48 | [TheAsp] | I want to be able to move my drives around |
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| 13:27.59 | [TheAsp] | but it references the partitions the array is on |
| 13:28.02 | quitte | paulswm i hope it won't end as a tragedy after rebooting ;) |
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| 13:28.21 | [TheAsp] | i also wish md could autodetect as a module :) |
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| 13:28.40 | paulswm | quitte: heh, can always go back to the old one, and think how much he's hopefully learned |
| 13:28.41 | spdf | Meh, You'll still have the other kernel image installed...Tradegy averted.. |
| 13:28.47 | Phated | quitte: It might end as a cliffhanger with the lead's whereabouts unknown. |
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| 13:29.44 | paulswm | Phated: it's going to be like "who shot JR" and turns out it was all a dream (showing my age a bit here) |
| 13:30.05 | johnnyST | Is there a simular file like pci.ids for usb devices? |
| 13:30.17 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: The cameraman did it. |
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| 13:30.30 | quitte | paulswm any idea what howto to give him afterwards. something that explains the very basics like how do i untar and that? |
| 13:30.35 | gilles | quitte: but i didn't do the "make-kpkg kernel-image"ls |
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| 13:30.43 | [TheAsp] | johahatl_: usb.ids |
| 13:30.49 | johnnyST | ok |
| 13:31.05 | gilles | quitte: ok, i have the deb now |
| 13:31.10 | [TheAsp] | /var/lib/usbutils/usb.ids |
| 13:31.18 | quitte | gilles great now install it. |
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| 13:31.51 | zakame | anyone suffering Firefox 1.0 RSS lag, specifically on sites having <link type="application/rdf+xml">? |
| 13:32.13 | gilles | quitte: ok, it's installed and grub reconfigured |
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| 13:32.30 | quitte | gilles reboot - good luck. |
| 13:32.31 | paulswm | quitte: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html maybe |
| 13:32.44 | gilles | quitte: ok... |
| 13:32.54 | paulswm | quitte: has a tutorial in there |
| 13:33.08 | ian2 | When I apt-get install irssi, apt complains that irssi is not available, but another package refrences it. Does apt really not have irssi? If so, how would I go about getting it? |
| 13:34.04 | nevyn | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 13:34.07 | scarynetworkguy | ian2: irssi-text |
| 13:34.09 | ian2 | nevyn: ah, thanks =] |
| 13:35.24 | Phated | ian2: Also /msg dpkg search and or man apt-cache. |
| 13:35.32 | ian2 | Phated: ok. |
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| 13:35.48 | paulswm | there he goes |
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| 13:36.05 | [TheAsp] | will he ever make it back? :) |
| 13:36.09 | Phated | There who goes? |
| 13:36.27 | Phated | Ah, our lead. |
| 13:36.39 | paulswm | Phated: gilles, whom quitte has been looking after |
| 13:36.58 | Phated | Ahh, how sweet. Brings tears to my eyes. |
| 13:37.16 | [TheAsp] | have the assholes thinned out in recent months? |
| 13:37.32 | Phated | Not at all. You're looking at one right now. |
| 13:37.36 | [TheAsp] | hehe |
| 13:37.45 | ian2 | chuckle |
| 13:37.47 | [TheAsp] | yes, but you arnt an asshole i recognize :) |
| 13:37.53 | Phated | Yeah yeah snortle away. |
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| 13:39.35 | paulswm | [TheAsp]: you see fewer assholes if you reduce the number of mirrors in the room, heh |
| 13:39.48 | paulswm | j/k |
| 13:39.50 | [TheAsp] | hehe |
| 13:40.08 | quitte | it's unbelievable how slow a 2.8ghz machine can be. |
| 13:40.14 | paulswm | well he should be back by now |
| 13:40.20 | Phated | Gnome, KDE? :) |
| 13:40.36 | paulswm | heh, perhaps he turned it off and went to watch TV or something |
| 13:40.40 | Phated | Of course... Maybe he panicked and can't get it back up, all innuendo fully intended. |
| 13:40.41 | quitte | took him pretty long from windows to linux,too |
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| 13:41.14 | ian2 | ok, I'm following instructions to install X, but I get this: "discover: Depends: libdiscover2 but it is not going to be installed" "E: Broken packages" |
| 13:41.26 | [TheAsp] | ian2: lame. |
| 13:41.27 | [TheAsp] | :) |
| 13:41.42 | Phated | ian2: What kind of instructions? |
| 13:41.42 | ian2 | [TheAsp]: eh? |
| 13:41.51 | ian2 | Phated: the one dpkg gave me =] |
| 13:41.52 | [TheAsp] | ian2: broken package deps |
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| 13:42.04 | paulswm | ian2: what distro are you sunning |
| 13:42.09 | paulswm | running |
| 13:42.15 | Phated | Because "apt-get install x-window-system <favourite window manager>" did it for me. |
| 13:42.24 | ian2 | paulswm: sarge |
| 13:42.29 | [TheAsp] | ian: wait a day or to |
| 13:42.30 | [TheAsp] | two |
| 13:42.39 | ian2 | will do.. |
| 13:42.40 | Phated | Ahh, dpkg, dpkg... |
| 13:42.49 | Phated | Why on earth would you need discover to install X? |
| 13:42.50 | [TheAsp] | you can grab discover/libdiscover2 from sid |
| 13:42.51 | ian2 | ah, ffs it works. |
| 13:42.54 | ian2 | =] |
| 13:43.05 | [TheAsp] | phat: i think the debconf stuff uses it to find the videocard name |
| 13:43.11 | ian2 | took out the "discover" part.. |
| 13:43.30 | [TheAsp] | yeah, it should be optional |
| 13:43.37 | [TheAsp] | you want discover either way though :) |
| 13:43.43 | Phated | [TheAsp]: Use tabcomplete, please, it's harder to address comments that aren't highlighted. |
| 13:43.50 | [TheAsp] | phaethon: will do. :) |
| 13:43.51 | Phated | You can live perfectly well without discover. |
| 13:44.02 | [TheAsp] | ^^^ reason why i dont |
| 13:44.04 | Phated | And... tabcomplete correctly... |
| 13:44.07 | Phated | *sigh* |
| 13:44.16 | spdf | Heh |
| 13:44.21 | paulswm | !abuse Phated |
| 13:44.22 | dpkg | Phated: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 13:44.23 | ricky_clarkson | Phat ed. |
| 13:44.30 | Phated | !phatedsmite paulswm |
| 13:44.41 | Phated | Yeah don't mess with the Phated. |
| 13:44.47 | paulswm | heh, I won't escalate |
| 13:44.52 | ricky_clarkson | down wid da phat ed! |
| 13:45.02 | ian2 | egads, ftp.us.debian.org gave me 260k/s getting the package list, now... now... *sigh*. /me looks for another mirror.. |
| 13:45.13 | [TheAsp] | phat: why dont you add phat to your highlight list? it will make my lazyness easier to deal with :) |
| 13:45.19 | Supaplex | double down wif da phat+ed! |
| 13:45.21 | Phated | ian2: Just... fucking... -wait-. |
| 13:45.29 | Phated | Seriously, kids nowadays. |
| 13:45.31 | ian2 | Phated: nah it wasnt even connecting. |
| 13:45.40 | quitte | bah next time i'll ask noobs to give me their output of lspci and bake a kernel for them. should take less time to make packages for them than guiding them step by step. |
| 13:45.41 | ian2 | I retried, its good now. |
| 13:45.42 | spdf | ian2, I'm getting 640kb/s from yorku as we speak |
| 13:45.43 | scarynetworkguy | ian2: You should write Overfiend a email use lots of caps and punctuation. He loves that. |
| 13:45.43 | Phated | ian2: Yes, it was. You weren't giving it a chance to. |
| 13:45.51 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Yeah, back in your day, circa 2004, they weren't like that, right. |
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| 13:46.00 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Never like that. |
| 13:46.05 | [TheAsp] | ricky: heh |
| 13:46.06 | ian2 | Phated: no, it was sitting there for ten miniutes. |
| 13:46.08 | ian2 | =P |
| 13:46.14 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: you are so cold |
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| 13:46.19 | Phated | You haven't -been- here for ten minutes. |
| 13:46.23 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Yeah. |
| 13:46.25 | ian2 | Phated: =P |
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| 13:46.33 | ian2 | I just run faster than you =] |
| 13:46.36 | Phated | I mean, seriously, if you -must- lie. |
| 13:46.45 | ian2 | anyway something *was* wrong, as I tried again and it worked fine the second time. |
| 13:46.58 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Are you a compulsive liar? |
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| 13:47.25 | ian2 | and now I'm getting 276kb, oh goody =]. |
| 13:47.27 | paulswm | actually, I've had probs connecting to the debian mirror, sometimes it just hangs and times out, but if killed and rerun it works fine |
| 13:47.31 | Supaplex | you know what sucks? theres 12 computers in this room, and *one* of the harddisks is going to die soon. I just don't know which one. (it's that totueous hdd reset noise) |
| 13:47.33 | luciano | #debconf-team |
| 13:47.52 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Of course I am. |
| 13:48.00 | ricky_clarkson | Supaplex: Haha. "smart" tools - apt-cache search. |
| 13:48.02 | ricky_clarkson | I'm not sure I believe you. |
| 13:48.07 | Phated | Of course not. |
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| 13:48.23 | paulswm | Supaplex: the one with all the errors and possibly bus resets in the log |
| 13:48.36 | Supaplex | humm |
| 13:48.59 | Phated | You know, it's not the kind of question you can ask... "Are you a liar?" "Yes" "Really?" "No" or "Are you a liar?" "No" "Really?" "No" |
| 13:49.04 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 13:49.35 | ian2 | hehe =] |
| 13:49.36 | Supaplex | lol |
| 13:49.52 | sidmax | Hi all, someone can give me some help with source packages, please? |
| 13:49.55 | Supaplex | Phated: I'm saving that as a quote btw. :-D |
| 13:50.26 | Phated | Supaplex: That comment's GPLed. |
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| 13:50.51 | skyisblue | sidmax: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:51.16 | quitte | ok. tell gilles to mail me. i have to reboot now,too. |
| 13:51.27 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 13:51.33 | Supaplex | Phated: k, I'll add the license notice to it. ;) |
| 13:51.38 | Phated | Supaplex: Good man. |
| 13:51.53 | sidmax | skyisblue: How can I change the build options when compiling a source .deb? |
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| 13:52.27 | skyisblue | sidmax: i dunno, ask other person here. |
| 13:52.30 | caphuso | sidmax: edit debian/rules |
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| 13:53.45 | Phated | Yeah you can all shut up. |
| 13:53.55 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Wrong channel? |
| 13:54.03 | ian2 | =] |
| 13:54.08 | Phated | Anyone who says "my machines" in the plural has too many already. |
| 13:54.16 | ian2 | Phated: bah. never too much. |
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| 13:54.24 | Phated | Right. |
| 13:54.31 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Yeah, there's only a global market for 4 computers. |
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| 13:54.36 | Phated | I'd like to see you use all fifty machines in your room. |
| 13:54.44 | ian2 | Phated: I use all four... |
| 13:54.51 | ian2 | all fifty could be put to very good use though. |
| 13:54.58 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, drawing fractals. |
| 13:54.59 | Phated | Yeah, ccache. |
| 13:55.14 | Delph | does it count if you never turn them on? |
| 13:55.14 | ian2 | Phated: look at google =] |
| 13:55.14 | Phated | Why? |
| 13:55.14 | ian2 | massive arrays of low spec machines.. |
| 13:55.18 | Phated | It's getting as bad a /.. |
| 13:55.42 | Phated | Low spec machines? Why hello, localhost, aren't you one of those? <localhost> Why yes I am. |
| 13:55.47 | Supaplex | Delph: in that case, I have 17 more. all hppa. just no keyboard :( stupid nonstandard grrr |
| 13:55.49 | ian2 | hehe |
| 13:55.54 | sidmax | caphuso: thanks. I'm looking debian rules (going to compile qmail..) but I can't find any option.. |
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| 13:56.16 | FieldySnuts | heh silly Phated |
| 13:56.26 | Phated | Hello, FieldySnuts. *snuggle* |
| 13:56.26 | [TheAsp] | sidmax: there is a qmail source package |
| 13:56.29 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 13:56.39 | caphuso | sidmax: then you probably need to learn how to read a makefile |
| 13:56.56 | Coke | Is there a way to make aptitude (or any apt) to remove all packages not explicitly installed and not in dependencies? |
| 13:56.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: dachs? |
| 13:57.00 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you smoking crack? |
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| 13:57.03 | [TheAsp] | sidmax: it has a README.Debian that tells you how to make it |
| 13:57.50 | FieldySnuts | @lart windows flocking |
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| 13:58.06 | Phated | Dear me, FieldySnuts. What's wrong now, then? |
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| 13:58.37 | jm_ | Coke: try debfoster |
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| 13:59.33 | sidmax | [TheAsp]: I looked there but I've found nothing.. |
| 13:59.42 | FieldySnuts | Phated: being forced to write an .iso to cd on a winshit box, i can't do it yet because the antivirus on it is scanning the iso, hence me being mad at windows file locking (flocking) |
| 13:59.54 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Poor dear. |
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| 14:00.22 | paulswm | this is making me a bit queasy |
| 14:00.29 | FieldySnuts | how the hell does an enterprise product allow you to only do one thing with any given file at a time? [censored] </rant> |
| 14:00.40 | FieldySnuts | even redhat does! </troll> |
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| 14:00.46 | Phated | Oh, wouldn't he be jacking off if he knew... If he only knew... |
| 14:00.52 | FieldySnuts | erm. |
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| 14:00.55 | [TheAsp] | sidmax: what cant you find |
| 14:00.57 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yes, yes... Popcorn? |
| 14:00.59 | FieldySnuts | what about those lewdness lessons? |
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| 14:01.12 | Phated | FieldySnuts: What about them? You still haven't given me any. :) |
| 14:01.15 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:01.25 | sidmax | [TheAsp]: I'm using a source package from an unofficial repository. Maybe It's different |
| 14:01.29 | Phated | *blink* *innocence* |
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| 14:01.29 | FieldySnuts | might make the boys mad, poor things |
| 14:01.30 | [TheAsp] | sidmax: install qmail-src, look in /usr/share/doc/qmail-src/README.Debian |
| 14:01.30 | dobby__ | i have 2GB ram in my laptop. now i had the idea to run my whole system in ram. is this possible? and if yes how? |
| 14:01.35 | FieldySnuts | </troll> |
| 14:01.37 | Bernd | hi |
| 14:01.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Come on, let's do... |
| 14:01.46 | [TheAsp] | sidmax: or just install postfix :) |
| 14:01.54 | Phated | Yeah, postfix. |
| 14:02.00 | FieldySnuts | that's not part of my job description till i get back home heh |
| 14:02.05 | [TheAsp] | dobby__: yes, just turn off your swap |
| 14:02.06 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 14:02.07 | ravenbird | courier owns |
| 14:02.09 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Good enough. |
| 14:02.11 | FieldySnuts | oh hell no it doesn't |
| 14:02.13 | |rufius| | dobby__: google is your friend |
| 14:02.18 | |rufius| | dobby__: and its possible |
| 14:02.24 | sidmax | [TheAsp]: ;-) I'm migrating an existing system using qmail.. |
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| 14:02.43 | dobby__ | i dont have a swap |
| 14:02.46 | Phated | Migrating generally implies "switching to something else", doesn't it. |
| 14:03.21 | FieldySnuts | i've some systems here with 4GB and even 8GB ram, whole damn system in ram |
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| 14:03.42 | skyisblue | dobby__: ram is volatile.. flash linux is for usb memory |
| 14:03.55 | FieldySnuts | well cached anyway |
| 14:04.30 | dobby__ | FieldySnuts, does it run stable |
| 14:04.32 | dobby__ | ? |
| 14:04.45 | dobby__ | fast? |
| 14:04.58 | Phated | 8 gigs of ram, you think? |
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| 14:05.29 | Delph | dobby__: basically, it'll all end up in memory anyway. |
| 14:05.31 | jm_ | that'd be great for me, who cares if X uses almost 1G for itself |
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| 14:05.37 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 14:05.41 | paulswm | dobby__: are you saying you want to run a system solely in ram, or you want it to run fast |
| 14:05.41 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 14:06.00 | Delph | so dont bother trying to force it to do anything. its lots more work for not that much gain. |
| 14:06.03 | Phated | "Oh here, X, why don't you just go on and steal 25% of RAM, we can handle it." |
| 14:06.17 | [TheAsp] | phat: X only uses ~10mb |
| 14:06.31 | Phated | s/X/KDE/ |
| 14:06.31 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 14:06.35 | paulswm | dobby__: because it you want it to use ram for performance, it'll do that anyway, if you want to run a system in ram, then you lose evrything on reboot |
| 14:06.39 | [TheAsp] | phat: thats better. :) |
| 14:06.44 | Bernd | can anybody help me ? (I have debian/testing) I upgrade my packages and now .. /dev/dsp is not present I change in the directory /dev/ and run MAKEDEV audio .. he can't not create /dev/dsp |
| 14:06.49 | Phated | And FFS if you can type all the way to "phat" just HIT TAB. |
| 14:07.20 | dobby__ | paulswm: i want to run it in ram for performance reasons but i dont no how ;-( |
| 14:07.26 | [TheAsp] | Bernd: udev? |
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| 14:07.28 | Knight_Lord | Bernd can't create /dev/dsp?!? |
| 14:07.35 | Phated | Besides, if you were using a decent client it would pick the most recently-appeared nick instead of going alphabetically. |
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| 14:07.46 | Bernd | right .. can't create /dev/dsp |
| 14:08.00 | FieldySnuts | badgernickcompletewangtekkk |
| 14:08.09 | Phated | What FieldySnuts said. |
| 14:08.27 | FieldySnuts | I think my goals at this employer are complete after three years now, a 4U rack server I built named badger |
| 14:08.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Get a new job! |
| 14:08.53 | Melsen | Greetings everybody... I'm new here... (usual warning) :) |
| 14:08.55 | FieldySnuts | hell yeah. |
| 14:09.07 | paulswm | dobby__: you don't have to do anything, then - you ram will be fully in use for processes, caching, etc. You may get a performance gain from mounting tmpfs on /tmp, but only if you are running processes which are pounding /tmp all the time |
| 14:09.21 | eye69 | FieldySnuts: Badger Badger Badger! |
| 14:09.22 | Phated | Why, exactly, do people ever bother announcing that they're "newb" or "n00b" or "a newbie". |
| 14:09.31 | Phated | !dachs eye69 |
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| 14:09.33 | dpkg | eye69: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 14:09.34 | FieldySnuts | haah |
| 14:09.42 | dobby__ | paulswm: what about if i want to run Programs in ram? |
| 14:09.49 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau eye69 |
| 14:09.51 | ravenbird | eye69: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 14:09.56 | [TheAsp] | dobby__: if you run stuff once they usually wind up cached in ram anyway |
| 14:10.05 | Phated | And instead of your life story, Melsen, please state the problem clearly and succinctly. |
| 14:10.14 | paulswm | dobby__: what [TheAsp] said |
| 14:10.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Because they think it will get them out being told to think/read. |
| 14:10.36 | Melsen | Phated: Pardon me.. I thought people were fairly social in here... |
| 14:10.43 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:10.45 | SlayerXP | Melsen: unless you're female and cute, in which case, please carry on with the life sotry |
| 14:10.45 | sussudio | Melsen: good one |
| 14:10.47 | SlayerXP | err story |
| 14:10.47 | ian2 | Melsen: no, theyre assholes =] |
| 14:10.48 | Phated | Melsen: Not really. State your problem, please. |
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| 14:10.58 | sussudio | !fruitsmite Melsen |
| 14:11.12 | dobby__ | paulswm: ok ;-) |
| 14:11.12 | Phated | Strawberries aren't in season yet, are they. |
| 14:11.20 | skyisblue | dobby__: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3660 |
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| 14:11.27 | scarynetworkguy | No still early. |
| 14:11.28 | sussudio | frozen strawberries |
| 14:11.31 | dobby__ | thanks skyisblue |
| 14:11.35 | sussudio | or from Oz |
| 14:11.37 | skyisblue | yaw |
| 14:11.41 | Phated | Ah, frozen. Even better. |
| 14:11.54 | Melsen | Well... since your so direct Phated... is there a normal procedure for which to search for help instead of perhaps bothering you all with possible beginner questions? Like.. an auto reply robot or whatever. |
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| 14:12.20 | |rufius| | Melsen: /msg dpkg <topic> |
| 14:12.20 | jm_ | Melsen: /msg dpkg ask |
| 14:12.26 | Phated | Melsen: Sure there is. But I can't give you keywords until you actually -describe a problem-, can you. |
| 14:12.42 | SlayerXP | Melsen: the correct way to get help if to state your question clearly and concisely, and in such a manner that let's us know that you've tried to solve the problem yourself, firsy |
| 14:12.44 | SlayerXP | first |
| 14:12.58 | SlayerXP | lets |
| 14:13.04 | Phated | is. |
| 14:13.05 | Phated | :) |
| 14:13.06 | Knight_Lord | Melsen some people here are indeed way too rude |
| 14:13.11 | Phated | SlayerXP: Couldn't resist. |
| 14:13.23 | Melsen | Nevermind.... now I know where to try first before bothering you. |
| 14:13.28 | Melsen | Knight_Lord: Agreed |
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| 14:13.30 | SlayerXP | Melsen: bad question "mysql doesn't work. help!?!?!?!!?!?" |
| 14:13.44 | Phated | Boohoo, he shan't be asking us questions. I mourn, I truly do. |
| 14:14.07 | Phated | "Please state your problem". Rude? All right, I'd rather not be polite then. |
| 14:14.10 | Delph | win 1 |
| 14:14.11 | FieldySnuts | @annoy |
| 14:14.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 14:14.22 | ravenbird | privet, fieldysnuts |
| 14:14.36 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It's a cmd: action thing, isn't it. |
| 14:14.40 | jm_ | Phated: you're soooooooo rude |
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| 14:14.47 | Phated | jm_: *boo hoo hoo* |
| 14:14.52 | FieldySnuts | @lart jm_ |
| 14:14.56 | Phated | Cry me a polite river. |
| 14:15.03 | FieldySnuts | Phated is a sweetie, but only if she likes you :) |
| 14:15.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: "sweetie" is taking it a little far, dahling. |
| 14:15.40 | Melsen | Ahh... wait.. I got it !!! :) There are very very experienced people in here who haven't used anything but linux all their lives. And these people are of the amusing opinion that being in that position makes them better people and therefor are allowed to bash people who has a newfound interrest in the OS. |
| 14:15.46 | paulswm | skyisblue: I really don't get that swap space thingy, if you're going to get another 1G of memory why not just let it get used in the normal way, I guess I just need to think it through |
| 14:15.47 | enthusi | HI, I orginally intended to wait for 3.1. I have several small linux-versions and am semi-experienced. I know stuff but setting up X can still be a pain for me. Do you think it makes sense to wait further or rather jump to debian definitivly now, anyway? (super question, I would think) |
| 14:16.12 | Phated | Melsen: I'm sorry, but I didn't know that it was "rude" to ask you to be a little more concise. |
| 14:16.15 | skyisblue | ~:-/ |
| 14:16.26 | hoe | I don't want a kernel module to load during bootup, it's not listed in /etc/{modules.conf,modules}. Looked in modules/kernel bootup params related howtos on tldp.org, looked in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt /Doesn't it really exist bootup option to tell the kernel 'do not hadnle this pci networking card with this driver'?/, searched on google ... am I lame or do I really need to recompile the kernel without that evil module? //I guess I rather delete evilmod |
| 14:16.30 | Phated | skyisblue: You can buy those on thinkgeek, actually. Little penguins. |
| 14:16.35 | Melsen | Phated: Who said I had a specific question to begin with? |
| 14:16.40 | |rufius| | Melsen: no, really its more that we prefer intelligent questions with a concise goal. If you're vague, we're vague :) |
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| 14:17.02 | Phated | Melsen: So you came in here with the main purpose of... telling us your life story. I take it all back, then. I'm being rude to you. |
| 14:17.03 | TheAsp | hoe: what dist? |
| 14:17.11 | FieldySnuts | Phated: heh |
| 14:17.21 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Well, what? <shrug> |
| 14:17.23 | hoe | TheAsp: sarge@2.6.10 self-compiled via make-kpkg |
| 14:17.41 | TheAsp | hoe: uhh, why are you using a self compiled kernel if you cant figure this out? |
| 14:17.41 | Melsen | I joined the channel to see what it was all about because I in the future will be administrating X amount of linux servers... so, this way I know where to search for help fast... which is why I asked if there was a robot or something. |
| 14:17.42 | |rufius| | enthusi: you could try either mepis or ubuntu... both have debian roots, i can't speak for mepis, but I like ubuntu a lot. |
| 14:17.51 | skyisblue | Phated: no thanks i have enough keyboards.. but the keyboard.. is just like CAD autocad.. |
| 14:17.55 | Coke | I have a penguin toy in my car. |
| 14:17.56 | Melsen | ./msg dpkg keyboard layout |
| 14:17.58 | |rufius| | enthusi: and ubuntu sets up a gui for you, so there's no hassle in dealing w/ that |
| 14:18.01 | Phated | skyisblue: No, I mean, just stickers. |
| 14:18.09 | paulswm | Melsen: if you're just here to pound people who freely give a lot of their time to help out people with problems, then get lost, otherwise join in or ask a question. You wern't here to see someone spend a couple of hours talking an inexperienced user through a hardware diagnosis and then a driver and kernel compile |
| 14:18.19 | enthusi | |rufius|, thanks,. I use DSL but it seemed TOO cut free. I will take a look |
| 14:18.21 | TheAsp | hoe: either way, if you install a debian kernel and discover and hotplug, it should pick the right driver for you on boot |
| 14:18.32 | Phated | paulswm: Come now, don't be -rude-. <smirk> |
| 14:18.36 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:18.40 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: tease Phated |
| 14:18.40 | TheAsp | hoe: if you built your kernel with the driver as a module it should too |
| 14:18.45 | FieldySnuts | hey. |
| 14:18.47 | Phated | HAH. |
| 14:18.47 | skyisblue | Phated: but it just skin, it ain't working for linux.. |
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| 14:18.55 | FieldySnuts | that backfires like hack does |
| 14:18.56 | |rufius| | enthusi: ubuntu is essentially debian sarge with an installer that puts sets up X with gnome and does a few more things so you don't have to |
| 14:18.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hack Phated |
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| 14:18.59 | Phated | skyisblue: Oh, buy a Happy Hacking already. :) |
| 14:19.07 | Melsen | paulswm: Oh I didn't pound... if you were watching.. I _was_ being pounded simply for entering the chatroom and saying hi. If that bothers you, feel free to put me on ignore |
| 14:19.24 | FieldySnuts | heh he said pound |
| 14:19.25 | skyisblue | Phated: aisb, i have a enough keyboards.. |
| 14:19.28 | Phated | "Pounded", now? And I thought that was just something kinky. |
| 14:19.31 | enthusi | |rufius| googling right now :) |
| 14:19.36 | Phated | skyisblue: True... Dump them all! |
| 14:19.43 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 14:19.44 | skyisblue | no. |
| 14:19.49 | Phated | Why not? |
| 14:19.51 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: what does Phated pay you for? |
| 14:19.53 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:19.56 | FieldySnuts | oh damnit. brb |
| 14:19.59 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:20.05 | |rufius| | enthusi: mind if i msg you? |
| 14:20.07 | skyisblue | coz, it's pragmatical |
| 14:20.19 | enthusi | |rufius| no, please do |
| 14:20.21 | paulswm | Melsen: this can be a tough crowd but they are all well worth knowing |
| 14:20.45 | Coke | paulswm: I don't know about that... I don't know about you, but I suck tremendously. |
| 14:20.47 | Melsen | paulswm: I guess the future will tell =) |
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| 14:22.33 | Phated | Oh dear, a future? I might just weep for joy. |
| 14:22.54 | caphuso | Phated: oh, come on, give him a chance |
| 14:23.01 | FieldySnuts | i rule. i put 4 scsi disks in badger that I thought were 36GB each, for storage. no, they're 18. |
| 14:23.03 | Melsen | Phated: Great - send me pictures =) |
| 14:23.07 | Phated | caphuso: Oh, all right. |
| 14:23.13 | Phated | Melsen: No thanks, you're not my type. |
| 14:23.16 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 14:23.21 | Melsen | awwwww.. what a loss. |
| 14:23.23 | hoe | TheAsp: I can figure i out by recompiling and not enabling that driver to compile at all;; hotplug has nothing to do with it, it is loaded before hotlug when all netcard modules are loaded, right before FSs modules;; my current kernel is build with support for all WiFi cads /as modules/ and the orinoco_pci loads on startup the mentioned way, but I compiled hostap drivers and want this driver to handle my prism2.5 card;; but ty for the help |
| 14:23.24 | Phated | I'm more FieldySnuts |
| 14:23.27 | FieldySnuts | yhay |
| 14:23.31 | Phated | I'm more FieldySnuts' type. |
| 14:23.51 | FieldySnuts | i gotta straighten out the mess I made bbl |
| 14:23.56 | FieldySnuts | bad enough fixing other peoples messes.. |
| 14:23.58 | Phated | Toodles. |
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| 14:24.40 | TheAsp | hoe: *shrug* You just said network card . . .\ |
| 14:25.12 | Supaplex | ok, smartctl shows I have errors on one of my drives, but I can't make heads or tails of the output... |
| 14:25.54 | TheAsp | Supaplex: that may not be the bad one either. if you get a tube of some sort, you can use it like a stethascope to determine which one is whining |
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| 14:27.31 | Supaplex | it only does this like ... once ever 4-5 days. just a reset noise. not the kind like worn berrings etc |
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| 14:27.49 | TheAsp | oh |
| 14:27.57 | TheAsp | do you have backups? |
| 14:27.59 | TheAsp | :) |
| 14:28.01 | Supaplex | lasts a whole few seconds. |
| 14:28.10 | Supaplex | yea, not as fresh as they could be ... |
| 14:28.21 | TheAsp | i'd freshen them up and let it die :) |
| 14:28.27 | hoe | TheAsp: isn't wireless 802.11b card still a network card at all? :) |
| 14:28.40 | TheAsp | hoe: yeah, but if you have to do some voodoo . . . :) |
| 14:29.19 | shadebob | Hi, I have an SIP phone in site A, SIP phone in site B, and an asterisk server in site C. When A call B, site C authentificate communication but after is it use banwitch for the communication? |
| 14:29.44 | shadebob | sorry but i don't have 3 ADSL for the moment so i can't test :( |
| 14:30.24 | Supaplex | your question isn't clear |
| 14:30.48 | shadebob | sorry Supaplex it'a a question for #asterisk ;) |
| 14:30.52 | peterS | Supaplex: I think he's askind if asterisk and SIP are p2p or client-server |
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| 14:31.21 | Supaplex | my understanding of asterisk is ok, and sip is vague, but the actual question/structure you asked isn't clear. |
| 14:31.31 | sussudio | !seen people |
| 14:31.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'people', sussudio |
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| 14:31.50 | Phated | Who the heck is ppj2? |
| 14:31.58 | peterS | Phated: it's a bot |
| 14:32.00 | sussudio | Phated: do a !seen bla |
| 14:32.05 | Phated | Ahhhh... |
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| 14:32.10 | Phated | !seen bla |
| 14:32.10 | dpkg | bla <~cis@ash.hstl6.put.poznan.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28d 21h 59m 54s ago, saying: 'does anybody use cmi9739 (c-media) soundcard?'. |
| 14:32.23 | peterS | Phated: notice the /notice thing you get in window 1 afterward |
| 14:32.28 | Phated | Ahhhh... |
| 14:32.32 | Phated | Right. |
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| 14:33.09 | Supaplex | so when a makes a call to b, a authenticates against c, and upon c granting auth, b accepts a's connection. (sounds like kerbos is a funny way...) |
| 14:33.21 | Supaplex | is that what you're asking? |
| 14:33.45 | peterS | Supaplex: I *think* he was asking if all the traffic between A and B go through C |
| 14:34.02 | peterS | if it's wired like kerberos, then the answer is no |
| 14:34.14 | Supaplex | right... |
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| 14:34.21 | TheAsp | kerberos rocks. :) |
| 14:34.27 | quitte_ | bah! alsa sound still breaks when i suspend. anyone got an idea what i can do to make sound work after suspend? |
| 14:34.38 | Supaplex | don't suspend? |
| 14:34.41 | TheAsp | quitte: don't suspend |
| 14:34.54 | peterS | heh |
| 14:35.04 | quitte_ | on a laptop? great idea. |
| 14:35.10 | TheAsp | heh |
| 14:35.40 | peterS | get a portable mp3 player so you don't need your alsa drivers (: |
| 14:35.40 | Supaplex | you and your quazi freak like uptimes |
| 14:35.40 | TheAsp | "dr. it hurts when i do this" |
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| 14:35.50 | Melsen | Fairly complex question now I thought about it: At the company I work we're planning on phasing out most of our windows server. Including the domain controller and replacing it all in an OpenLDAP environment. My question here revolves around user management. : Would it be possible to do a completely domain setup like this with full functionality since all workstations are Windows machines? |
| 14:36.04 | fatal__ | quitte_: unload alsa drivers before suspending? |
| 14:36.13 | TheAsp | Melsen: using the samba3 schema, yes |
| 14:36.17 | quitte_ | i remember it working with woody. it used to stop alsa before suspending. but i was never asked if i want to stop alsa with sarge |
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| 14:36.25 | quitte_ | fatal__ good. how? |
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| 14:36.44 | Melsen | TheAsp: That was my plan.. can that be done with kerberos authentication through the samba when the users there are merged into the ldap DB? |
| 14:36.50 | Supaplex | quitte_: modprobe -r foo ? |
| 14:36.58 | fatal__ | quitte_: for a in $(lsmod | grep ^snd | cut -f1 -d' '); do rmmod $a ; done .... |
| 14:37.01 | TheAsp | Melsen: thats further then i've ever gone, but it should be |
| 14:37.15 | TheAsp | Melsen: you are probably going to want to do alot of googling |
| 14:37.20 | Supaplex | but rmmod == evil |
| 14:37.22 | Melsen | TheAsp: Oh yeah... |
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| 14:38.14 | Melsen | TheAsp: Plan number two... placing kix scripts for logon scripting purposes in the samba NETLOGON share and then using kixtart to handle various routines... Any idea if that would work or not? Haven't been able to find information about that anywhere |
| 14:38.32 | TheAsp | kix? |
| 14:38.33 | TheAsp | :) |
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| 14:39.19 | quitte_ | but if the module is in use i can't rmmod |
| 14:39.28 | Melsen | TheAsp: hehe.. KixTart... scripting language... use it to dedicate drives, printers and so on... fx. if a user logs on and are member of 'XXXX' group, he get's this drive and that drive and this printer and so forth. |
| 14:39.44 | TheAsp | quitte_: /etc/init.d/alsa force-stop |
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| 14:40.07 | Melsen | TheAsp: I'm simply a bit worried that the query for group membership might not work due to it being LDAP... |
| 14:40.22 | Melsen | TheAsp: I guess time will tell =) |
| 14:40.29 | TheAsp | melsen: supporting windows is something i havent tried |
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| 14:40.47 | Melsen | TheAsp: thats cool. No worries.... appreciate the answers nevertheless. |
| 14:40.53 | TheAsp | np :P |
| 14:40.56 | Nijan_ | excuse me, how can i log all commands executed by a user |
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| 14:42.13 | SlayerXP | Nijan_: why would you need to do that? |
| 14:42.17 | [puRpLeHaZe] | hi there! i am experiencing problems when i try to change to my console after i started x, the whole screen blinks in different colors! the last thing i did was probing nvtv, i am using a bootsplash |
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| 14:42.31 | karsten | Fun with CSS: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/googledot2.png |
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| 14:43.12 | d00f_ | hi |
| 14:43.15 | SlayerXP | Nijan_: doing so is certainly immoral and may even be illegal |
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| 14:43.27 | quitte_ | what was the package to reconfigure to set the priority of questions to be asked? |
| 14:43.50 | Phated | debconf? |
| 14:43.53 | Phated | I think. |
| 14:44.05 | Melsen | Nijan_: check http://neworder.box.sk - might find some info there.. but I doubt it's legal |
| 14:44.07 | d00f | how can i setup apt-get to ask password when a user use apt-get update ? |
| 14:44.10 | karsten | Nijan_: However, system accounting may provide some features you're looking for. |
| 14:44.13 | Nijan_ | thanks |
| 14:44.21 | Phated | SlayerXP: Not if it's a clause in some employee contract. |
| 14:44.28 | SlayerXP | d00f: you don't, users can't do apt-get update |
| 14:44.39 | Phated | d00f: You can't apt-get update unless you're root anyway. |
| 14:44.40 | karsten | d00f: apt-get's usable only by root. |
| 14:44.47 | karsten | d00f: sudo may be what you're looking for. |
| 14:44.49 | simonrvn | d00f: you use sudo, not ap-tget |
| 14:44.53 | Phated | sudo is cool. |
| 14:44.57 | simonrvn | er, apt-get |
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| 14:46.21 | d00f | perhaps utils exist ? apt-proxy ? ... many people have root access and i want to prevent to make update (only some people have THE password) |
| 14:47.00 | FieldySnuts | guess he's not listening |
| 14:47.03 | simonrvn | read what was told you |
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| 14:47.27 | Phated | d00f: You don't get it. If you're root, you can apt-get. If you're not, you can't. |
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| 14:48.18 | skyisblue | d00f: if you are root, change the passwd. |
| 14:48.28 | Phated | But you can use sudo and alias "sudo apt-get update" to "apt-get update" *shrugs* |
| 14:48.36 | idnar | Phated: he's saying that there are people with root that shouldn't be allowed to run apt-gt |
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| 14:48.45 | DerJamster | Then they should not have root. |
| 14:48.47 | DerJamster | Period :P |
| 14:48.51 | Phated | idnar: Then there are idiots around who gave them root. |
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| 14:49.07 | kensai | I have an iso of 707 MB is there a cd burner on linux that lets me burn this to a 700MB cd-r? |
| 14:49.22 | Spark | kensai: cdburn |
| 14:49.26 | Phated | Why, exactly, do "many" people have root? That's just stupid beyond all reason. |
| 14:49.33 | simonrvn | then he should change the root pass, and get it settled, as skyisblue suggested |
| 14:49.37 | jm_ | you can overburn with cdrecord, but it's usually stupid to do it - and it might be it's not reported in real megabytes |
| 14:49.38 | Spark | cdrecord, even :) |
| 14:49.56 | kensai | Spark, but how? |
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| 14:50.03 | Spark | kensai: read the man page |
| 14:50.06 | Spark | --overburn or something |
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| 14:50.22 | kensai | Spark, ok yeah overburn was the thing |
| 14:50.32 | simonrvn | ...then set up sudo *properly*, and restrict sudo so apt-get can't be run from those accounts... |
| 14:50.37 | Spark | chances are it wont work though :) |
| 14:51.01 | Phated | It's OK, simonrvn. All part of #debian life... |
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| 14:53.32 | skyisblue | !life |
| 14:53.33 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
| 14:53.34 | Frogger_ | Can someone plese explain how Netinst works? |
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| 14:54.30 | Phated | Frogger_: You use one CD to start the install process, and any packages that are needed later (fotr example, if you choose to install, say, irssi at th very beginning) are fetched from the Debian archives online. |
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| 14:54.44 | Phated | The base system is on the CD though, I think. |
| 14:54.56 | Frogger_ | oh ok, thanks |
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| 14:55.08 | Phated | Have a nice day. |
| 14:55.23 | Frogger_ | I will, I guess..... maybe.. |
| 14:55.43 | skyisblue | Frogger_: there is also net floppy install. |
| 14:55.53 | Frogger_ | no, need for floppies |
| 14:55.55 | Phated | It's... just a greeting, you don't need to take it seriously. |
| 14:56.03 | Phated | :) |
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| 14:56.16 | Phated | But the CDs are nice. Install off one CD. Easy. |
| 14:56.21 | Frogger_ | Of course, I must take everything literally and seriously |
| 14:56.45 | Frogger_ | I'm at "work" |
| 14:57.08 | Phated | We-ll... Not "literally". "Seriously", sure, but not "literally". Imagine the chaos. |
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| 14:57.51 | Frogger_ | Yes, there would be a great deal of it. |
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| 14:58.16 | Phated | See that was one thing you shouldn't have taken literally, imagining chaos is a very bad time-burner. |
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| 14:58.41 | Frogger_ | Does anyone know what the massage "The entered block size does not correspond to the image length"? |
| 14:58.54 | Frogger_ | when burning image files? |
| 14:58.55 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, massage. |
| 14:59.14 | |rufius| | Frogger_: means the block size you entered is bigger than whats on that part |
| 14:59.19 | skyisblue | s/massage/message/ |
| 14:59.22 | Phated | Frogger_: Yeah... Don't enter a block size and let it decide for itself, see what it does. Likely something semi-funky with the image. |
| 14:59.24 | wols | what does it mean if top says a process is in "uninterruptible sleep"? I want to kill that process but nothing helps |
| 14:59.30 | Frogger_ | It asks me if I want to correct it |
| 14:59.36 | Phated | wols: It means you leave it well alove. |
| 14:59.59 | Frogger_ | but I don't want to ruin the image file |
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| 15:00.03 | wols | Phated: that process ran for hours in that state now. I want it killed to get my ports back |
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| 15:00.09 | SlayerXP | wols: reboot |
| 15:00.15 | Phated | wols: We-ll... kill the parent. |
| 15:00.18 | |rufius| | wols: think of it as waking a bear thats been hibernating |
| 15:00.32 | wols | SlayerXP: *gasp* this is linux we're talking about, we don't reboot here! |
| 15:00.40 | Phated | "Do not tickle sleeping dragons". |
| 15:00.48 | SlayerXP | wols: okay, then stop complaining. your call, really. |
| 15:00.52 | Frogger_ | I guess I'll ignore... |
| 15:00.53 | |rufius| | wols: we do if we want kernels that don't have exploits ;) |
| 15:01.01 | wols | there I was, thinking linux was a preemptible multitasking OS |
| 15:01.03 | Phated | wols: Ìt is in -uninterruptible sleep-. It will not wake up. EVER. |
| 15:01.16 | wols | Phated: how does it get into that state? |
| 15:01.30 | |rufius| | wols: valium and lots of vodka |
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| 15:01.34 | Phated | No matter WHAT you do. It's like the class hamster that died when it was your turn to take it home for the weekend. |
| 15:01.53 | Phated | It will NEVER awake. <<<reverbe>>> |
| 15:01.56 | PenjejakNeraka | Hi guys, I have a basic stupid question. How can I play anything related to sound simultaneously like xmms & mplayer. Whenever I play xmms & try to play movie on mplayer, an error occured something like, "/dev/dsp is busy, yada yada yada" |
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| 15:02.19 | wols | still, how can a process, running under a normal username get into that state. I mean it's a recivpe for memory exhaustion there. sweet swwet DOS |
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| 15:02.27 | Frogger_ | ERM, I guess I should edit it, it now says that it only is 20mb worth... |
| 15:02.34 | Phated | Not really. It can't be running that much. |
| 15:02.39 | Phated | Er, to wols. |
| 15:02.57 | wols | Phated: it can right now eat 24.8& of my memory just fine. |
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| 15:03.03 | Phated | Oh. |
| 15:03.05 | Phated | Right. |
| 15:03.06 | asg | wols: what process is it? |
| 15:03.14 | Phated | Well... how much memory do you have? :) |
| 15:03.18 | wols | granted, that's normal for this process, but it could just as well malloc all of the memory and then go uninterruptible |
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| 15:03.25 | brynjarh | PenjejakNeraka: I had this problem once, but couldn't fix it, but why are you going to be listening to a song AND watch a video? |
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| 15:04.01 | PenjejakNeraka | brynjarh; why I couldn't ;) Windows can |
| 15:04.02 | |rufius| | Frogger_: no mercy for the weak! |
| 15:04.05 | r011 | how do i check the version of installed glibc in debian? |
| 15:04.09 | TheAsp | PenjejakNeraka: get a sound card with a hardware mixer, or go 100% alsa with the dmix plugin |
| 15:04.19 | wols | r011: dpkg -l libc |
| 15:04.28 | TheAsp | PenjejakNeraka: inorder to use dmix, everything has to use alsa nativly |
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| 15:05.19 | Frogger_ | UGH! |
| 15:05.38 | PenjejakNeraka | TheAsp; Thanks for the suggestion :) |
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| 15:05.47 | wols | TheAsp: OSS emulation of alsa not good enough then? |
| 15:05.56 | TheAsp | wols: no |
| 15:05.59 | grivell | wols: kill -9 didn't work?? |
| 15:06.00 | TheAsp | wols: i wish :P |
| 15:06.04 | r011 | wols: thnx, No packages found matching libc.. so i need to apt-get it... |
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| 15:06.09 | asg | grivell: not if it's in a 'D' state |
| 15:06.35 | grivell | heh, never saw that. |
| 15:06.38 | Frogger_ | I wonSo, is it ok if my netinst image is only 20mb on the disk? |
| 15:06.43 | wols | r011: if you lack libc, then you are in serious trouble cause no new program (incl. apt) will ever start |
| 15:06.51 | wols | not even the dpkg right now would |
| 15:07.00 | brynjarh | TheAsp: If a sound card has a hardware mixer could I run two audio files simultaneously without having to use dmix? Would it work with ALSA and OSS or just ALSA or? |
| 15:07.08 | asg | r011: apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 15:07.22 | TheAsp | brynjarh: depends on the card, but it should work with alsa, alsa oss and oss |
| 15:07.25 | Phated | It's libc6, anyway, not libc... The package name. |
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| 15:07.46 | brynjarh | TheAsp: Okay thanks. |
| 15:07.48 | dadexter | anyone here installed debian for m68k? |
| 15:08.07 | TheAsp | there is still a m680x0 dist? |
| 15:08.19 | _rene_ | yes |
| 15:08.21 | r011 | wols, oh yeah, i got it, apt-cache policy did it(: |
| 15:08.34 | r011 | thnx asg |
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| 15:08.46 | _rene_ | TheAsp: http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/m68k/ |
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| 15:08.57 | dadexter | I just want to know if it needs MacOS to be installed |
| 15:09.10 | _rene_ | subsitute nl with whatever you want |
| 15:09.18 | asg | dadexter: check the install guide |
| 15:09.19 | TheAsp | rene: i didnt say i cared . . . :) |
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| 15:09.34 | asg | _rene_: sussudio bribed it |
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| 15:10.15 | Frogger_ | Anyone know? |
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| 15:13.04 | dcoulson | hello |
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| 15:14.06 | Frogger_ | bye bye, hope to see you again in Linux... |
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| 15:16.37 | dadexter | wow... people actually use ChatZilla? |
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| 15:17.43 | Blitx | Tell ya what would be fun |
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| 15:18.17 | Blitx | VMware OS10 inside of a vmware running linux inside a vmware running windows on a win95 |
| 15:18.20 | Blitx | talk about speed |
| 15:18.28 | dadexter | you're mad |
| 15:18.39 | Blitx | moving your cursor would flood a 4-way for a month |
| 15:18.40 | dadexter | :P |
| 15:19.14 | dadexter | you sure you won't need a little popup like "You have moved your cursor 6 pixels to the right... go get a coffee" |
| 15:19.19 | dadexter | ? |
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| 15:19.36 | Blitx | the popup would take longer to draw than the cursor would to move |
| 15:19.44 | dadexter | right |
| 15:19.45 | Blitx | maybe like a printout |
| 15:19.48 | dadexter | forgot about that :P |
| 15:19.58 | Blitx | modded stock ticker |
| 15:20.06 | dadexter | or a constant message at the top of the screen |
| 15:20.09 | DerJamster | Nah, a news ticker. |
| 15:20.15 | dadexter | "Everytime you do some thing, wait 20 minutes" |
| 15:20.20 | DerJamster | ++NEWS++NEWS++NEWS++ Cursor moved |
| 15:20.50 | dcoulson | hello |
| 15:20.59 | asg | !tell dcoulson about ask |
| 15:21.01 | dcoulson | is anyone familiar with using /etc/network/interfaces for bridging? |
| 15:21.02 | Blitx | well, in all honesty if it is based on win95's award-winning stability, we might not ever find out what would happen with the cursor |
| 15:21.13 | dcoulson | I have an issue with using bridge_portprio multiple times |
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| 15:21.52 | dadexter | would vmware run on top of win3.1? |
| 15:22.21 | asg | dadexter: no, win3.1 isn't a multitasking OS |
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| 15:22.36 | dadexter | wow, I wasn't actually expecting an answer |
| 15:22.39 | dadexter | hehe |
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| 15:23.13 | Frogger_ | That turned out disappointing |
| 15:23.14 | asg | dadexter: the better question concerns whether Microsoft Bob (TM) would run in vmware |
| 15:23.39 | dadexter | bah |
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| 15:24.13 | jethro | what is ms bob? |
| 15:24.22 | asg | jethro: their attempt to market a social interface |
| 15:24.22 | dadexter | bleh I have to install RH9 on a client's machine... would rather install debian but oh well |
| 15:24.28 | asg | jethro: failed attempt at that |
| 15:24.33 | jethro | never heard of |
| 15:24.36 | jethro | heya asg |
| 15:24.39 | asg | jethro: hiya |
| 15:24.57 | asg | jethro: the clippy dog and parrot have their origins in Bob |
| 15:24.57 | alexscott | plop |
| 15:25.08 | dadexter | asg: what, they gave clippy a face and made him stay on the screen and talk about everything? |
| 15:25.13 | jethro | asg: you mean the office companions I always get rid off? |
| 15:25.22 | asg | jethro: yes |
| 15:25.24 | jethro | ok |
| 15:25.31 | dadexter | ah, bob was there before clippy |
| 15:25.36 | jethro | I m looking at screenshots, of the so called bob, it really is ugly |
| 15:25.44 | asg | dadexter: provide contextual help |
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| 15:26.13 | asg | dadexter: like (oh, you moved the mouse. Let me tell you what a mouse is and how you use it.) |
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| 15:26.23 | simonrvn | grr |
| 15:26.32 | dadexter | OMG, I've seen better graphics in CGA games |
| 15:26.34 | asg | !comfort simonrvn |
| 15:26.36 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:26.51 | asg | dadexter: it does have an early Leisure Suit Larry feel to it. |
| 15:26.58 | dadexter | ya kinda |
| 15:27.08 | simonrvn | !comfort lusers forced to deal with clippy |
| 15:27.08 | dpkg | There, there, lusers forced to deal with clippy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:27.10 | dadexter | but crappier |
| 15:27.10 | Frogger_ | Anyone know what the problem would be if netinst can't load the install? |
| 15:27.20 | asg | Frogger_: #debian-boot might |
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| 15:28.03 | skyisblue | xlr8r |
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| 15:28.27 | asg | br4k3 |
| 15:28.31 | tombs | good afternoon |
| 15:28.32 | Frogger_ | oh ok |
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| 15:29.15 | simonrvn | g34r sh1f7 |
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| 15:29.27 | dadexter | huh? |
| 15:29.37 | Frogger_ | gear shift? |
| 15:29.38 | simonrvn | hrm, g34r 5h1f7 |
| 15:29.40 | asg | dadexter: 10:31 < skyisblue> xlr8r 10:32 < asg> br4k3 |
| 15:29.43 | simonrvn | ;P |
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| 15:29.53 | dadexter | euh... |
| 15:29.55 | skyisblue | kuro5hin |
| 15:29.57 | dadexter | ah... c0ff33! |
| 15:29.58 | dadexter | :P |
| 15:30.04 | simonrvn | yes |
| 15:30.22 | simonrvn | kinda early ;) |
| 15:30.25 | skyisblue | XD |
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| 15:30.47 | SpeS | hi people, dpkg says "Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled"... well I think it's unstable, but not slow... |
| 15:30.51 | Frogger_ | \/\/|-|473\/3. |
| 15:30.51 | meff | how can i tell X to use the highest refresh rate it can? looking at my X log, I see it sets the default mode for 800x600 at the top tto a high refresh, but re-sets it to like 56hz farther down the list which makes my eyes pop out :) |
| 15:30.59 | dadexter | simonrvn, I only had 1 yet today |
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| 15:31.17 | asg | simonrvn: not at all, I have the day off :) |
| 15:31.25 | simonrvn | oh, hehe |
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| 15:32.14 | pattyand | hi there, I have a Logitech MX510 mouse and I want to use the forward and back button on my mouse, How can I do that? |
| 15:32.27 | simonrvn | the who? |
| 15:32.30 | asg | SpeS: then fix the factoid if your experience indicates otherwise |
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| 15:32.38 | asg | !tell irc__ about root |
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| 15:33.58 | glaucius | who can help me with mysqltcl and tcl in a debian machine ? |
| 15:34.14 | asg | glaucius: #tcl perhaps |
| 15:34.35 | spdf | Could someone help me with this embarrasing rash I have? |
| 15:34.43 | glaucius | asg ok |
| 15:34.45 | asg | spdf: #pharmacy |
| 15:34.55 | spdf | asg, You're the best! |
| 15:35.04 | dsl569 | how can i use chmod to make my /mnt/hda1 not readonly but also write? |
| 15:35.12 | dadexter | #chmod |
| 15:35.12 | asg | spdf: there is infact one person in #pharmacy ;) |
| 15:35.13 | dadexter | :P |
| 15:35.18 | SpeS | asg what? |
| 15:35.24 | spdf | Me. |
| 15:35.29 | asg | SpeS: hah |
| 15:35.37 | Frogger_ | me:P |
| 15:35.46 | SpeS | asg I've been using it, ans sometimes it crashes or does something wrong, but it's quick |
| 15:36.01 | SpeS | O_o |
| 15:36.01 | dadexter | no #debian-m68k :( |
| 15:36.12 | asg | dadexter: you might consult #debian-ppc for other pointers |
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| 15:36.48 | dadexter | ya I could |
| 15:36.52 | spdf | SpeS, Is it Purdy? |
| 15:37.02 | ricky_clarkson | spdf: Can I have 3 viols of anti-Fedora cream and a SuSE innoculation please? |
| 15:37.18 | spdf | ricky_clarkson, Gah Fedora...What version? |
| 15:37.19 | neenee | vials |
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| 15:37.22 | ricky_clarkson | spdf: All. |
| 15:37.35 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: No viols, but I've got a base or cello, your pick. |
| 15:37.44 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: You mean violas. |
| 15:37.57 | SpeS | spdf what's "purdy"? (I'm not english...) |
| 15:37.58 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: IIRC a viol is also an instrument. |
| 15:38.03 | ricky_clarkson | spdf: Preferably a future-proof vaccination that includes all future name changes. |
| 15:38.06 | ricky_clarkson | SpeS: pretty. |
| 15:38.08 | karsten | SpeS: "pretty". |
| 15:38.16 | ricky_clarkson | !dict viol |
| 15:38.19 | spdf | SpeS, Oh..I was being "funny"...Is it good lookin'? |
| 15:38.20 | dpkg | Dictionary 'viol' (1 shown; 5 total): Viol \Vi"ol\, n. [F. viole; cf. Pr. viola, viula, Sp., Pg., & It. viola, LL. vitula; of uncertain origin; perhaps from L. vitulari to celebrate a festival, keep holiday, be joyful, perhaps originally, to sacrifice a calf (vitulus; cf. Veal). Cf. Fiddle, Vielle, 2d Viola, Violin.] 1. (Mus.) A stringed musical instrument formerly in use, of the same form as the violin, but larger, and having six strings, to be struck with a bow, an |
| 15:38.20 | dpkg | hed with frets for stopping the strings.. |
| 15:38.22 | ricky_clarkson | Shite. |
| 15:38.24 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: archaic violin |
| 15:38.26 | asg | !win karsten |
| 15:38.28 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: I sit corrected. |
| 15:38.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:38.40 | SpeS | spdf a LOT :D"""""""" |
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| 15:38.48 | karsten | asg: I was the only contestant. |
| 15:38.57 | spdf | SpeS, How'd the install go? |
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| 15:39.02 | asg | karsten: ;) |
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| 15:39.08 | SpeS | spdf I installed it on a Suse |
| 15:39.22 | asg | karsten: then you have won 37% of the prizes including the RV |
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| 15:39.26 | SpeS | it's quite simple if you know how |
| 15:39.35 | SpeS | there are good manuals |
| 15:39.43 | spdf | SpeS, I thought you had installed it on debian.. |
| 15:40.00 | SpeS | no, I use debian on the server only |
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| 15:41.49 | Lambo | does anyone know if SendMail Restricted SHell is activated, whether or not it will cause problems with the PHP mail function? |
| 15:42.08 | asg | Lambo: /usr/share/doc/sendmail/README* should tell you. |
| 15:42.20 | spdf | I haven't been able to find any info on whether fglrx is going to work alright with xorg.. |
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| 15:45.11 | asg | spdf: have you asked in #xorg ? |
| 15:45.12 | asg | spdf: also /topic #xorg |
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| 15:45.33 | spdf | asg, they aren't yet.. |
| 15:45.49 | Lambo | maybe i should just ask is anyone running sendmail restricted shell, with php in here without problems? |
| 15:45.55 | spdf | asg, I googled.. (I hadn't yet...wasn't interested until now) |
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| 15:46.14 | Faithful | Anyone familiar here with catching LPR output and combining with a PDF form for export or printing |
| 15:46.17 | asg | spdf: fglrx will not work on 6.8. (from /topic #xorg) |
| 15:46.39 | spdf | asg, Haha... Jeez.. |
| 15:46.43 | directhex|work | a new version of fglrx is being released today which DOES work with xorg, as well as with x86-64 |
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| 15:46.55 | directhex|work | apparently |
| 15:46.59 | asg | Lambo: I'd try #sendmail or #php, I suspect very few people in here use sendmail. |
| 15:47.03 | spdf | directhex|work, Word? :) |
| 15:47.26 | drac | spdf: yeah, we are all sitting and waiting in #ati for some news.. :p |
| 15:47.41 | directhex|work | spdf, http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1333446174&postcount=479 |
| 15:47.58 | spdf | directhex|work, All over it |
| 15:48.12 | Lambo | asg thanks for that tip |
| 15:48.18 | asg | Lambo: you're welcome |
| 15:48.45 | spdf | drac, Which Radeon are you running? |
| 15:48.49 | Blitx | looks like a release is meant for today |
| 15:48.52 | Blitx | nice |
| 15:49.12 | drac | spdf: 9200 Pro, pretty old, but i'm looking forward using xorg with it. |
| 15:49.14 | DerJamster | A release of what? |
| 15:49.21 | asg | DerJamster: fglrx |
| 15:49.25 | DerJamster | ahh :) |
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| 15:49.44 | Blitx | will there ever be a 9700 AIW driver for linux? |
| 15:49.59 | Diablo-D3 | http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/01/ubuntus-xorg-on-debian-sid.html |
| 15:50.04 | abrotman | Blitx: ask #ati |
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| 15:51.21 | ubernoob | what refresh rate do you use on a 15" LCD screen in xf86config?? isn't it default for alle LCD monitors? |
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| 15:51.44 | spdf | ubernoob, 60hz? |
| 15:51.48 | Diablo-D3 | ubernoob: 60hz |
| 15:51.54 | ricky_clarkson | ubernoob: Refresh rate is largely irrelevant for LCD afaik, because they don't flicker. |
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| 15:52.02 | Diablo-D3 | yeah what ricky_clarkson said |
| 15:52.08 | fmarostica | hello all! |
| 15:52.09 | Diablo-D3 | but basically all of them prefer 60hz |
| 15:52.10 | fmarostica | .ifdef MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT |
| 15:52.10 | fmarostica | message_size_limit = MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT |
| 15:52.10 | fmarostica | .endif |
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| 15:52.16 | ricky_clarkson | Diablo-D3: Esplendoroso. |
| 15:52.16 | ubernoob | yes, but i need to set the horizontal and vertical in xf86config |
| 15:52.26 | fmarostica | exim 4.34 on sarge dont have more MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT declared? |
| 15:52.28 | spdf | ubernoob, What's your monitor? |
| 15:52.35 | Diablo-D3 | ubernoob: you dont have to, just let it autodetect |
| 15:52.37 | pzin | what tool in linux is similar to CloneCD |
| 15:52.41 | ubernoob | laptop 15" LCD |
| 15:52.51 | simonrvn | fmarostica: that's an ifdef. means "if defined". it's a macro. see #exim |
| 15:52.57 | spdf | ubernoob, What kind of laptop? |
| 15:53.16 | ubernoob | compaq evo |
| 15:53.21 | sussudio | COMPAQQQQ |
| 15:53.30 | Diablo-D3 | COMPAQ! |
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| 15:53.32 | ubernoob | i think it is the same on all lcd screens |
| 15:53.39 | Diablo-D3 | ubernoob: wow, that could be like mine then |
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| 15:53.47 | Frogger_ | Whats with everyone saying COMPAQ? |
| 15:54.01 | ubernoob | its an evo n1000v |
| 15:54.02 | spdf | Compaq? |
| 15:54.08 | fmarostica | simonrvn, yes, macro, but older version exim this macro is declared |
| 15:54.14 | fmarostica | simonrvn, in 4.34 not |
| 15:54.16 | asg | Frogger_: old meme in #debian (largely due to sussudio) |
| 15:54.21 | Diablo-D3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.21 | Diablo-D3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.26 | Diablo-D3 | ubernoob: try those values |
| 15:54.28 | simonrvn | fmarostica: ok.... so set it |
| 15:54.38 | Diablo-D3 | ubernoob: they're completely made up, but they work fine on older lcds |
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| 15:54.58 | ubernoob | Diablo-D3: hehe |
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| 15:55.05 | sussudio | !be compaq barbie |
| 15:55.05 | dpkg | Inventing nonstandard hardware to maintain vendor lock-in in the face of reverse engineering is HARD! |
| 15:55.06 | Blitx | test |
| 15:55.11 | fmarostica | simonrvn, MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT = 8M |
| 15:55.16 | fmarostica | simonrvn, :) |
| 15:55.25 | simonrvn | fmarostica: ok |
| 15:55.34 | asg | Blitx: no, you're not online |
| 15:55.51 | Blitx | my IRC window just stopped for a while |
| 15:56.03 | usn | hi all |
| 15:56.07 | Blitx | I've been having connection issues so I was wondering if I was still connected |
| 15:56.15 | simonrvn | !test |
| 15:56.16 | fmarostica | simonrvn, if this unset, my MESSAGE_SIZE_LIMIT will be 50M? |
| 15:56.16 | dpkg | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
| 15:56.18 | asg | Blitx: /msg dpkg test (is more effective) |
| 15:56.20 | Blitx | after I typed "test" about 30 lines popped up |
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| 15:56.34 | simonrvn | fmarostica: whatever the built-in default is. see the exim docs |
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| 15:56.44 | fmarostica | simonrvn, older version |
| 15:56.53 | fmarostica | simonrvn, LOCAL_DELIVERY = varmail |
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| 15:57.17 | fmarostica | simonrvn, in sarge (exim 4.34) LOCAL_DELIVERY = DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF |
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| 15:57.38 | fmarostica | simonrvn, where is localdelivery? |
| 15:57.41 | simonrvn | fmarostica: ok.. but why are you telling me this? |
| 15:57.48 | simonrvn | fmarostica: in your conf |
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| 15:57.58 | Coke_ | What is the name of the command that nodes under /dev for certain categories? |
| 15:58.21 | simonrvn | Coke_: what? |
| 15:58.22 | asg | Coke_: MAKEDEV |
| 15:58.35 | simonrvn | oh, duh, brain fart |
| 15:58.45 | asg | simonrvn: that was almost an E_PARSEERROR |
| 15:58.55 | Coke_ | asg: thank's. |
| 15:58.56 | simonrvn | asg: yeh ;) |
| 15:59.16 | simonrvn | @lart Coke_ for useless use of an apostrophe |
| 16:00.02 | Coke_ | sorry |
| 16:00.04 | Coke_ | thanks |
| 16:00.51 | spdf | Get him again for thanking you too much.. |
| 16:01.04 | Coke_ | Anyway, my ALSA midi device doesn't work properly, I have snd_seq, snd_rawmidi and snd_seq_device drivers loaded, what else would I need for the /dev/snd/midi device to exist? |
| 16:01.44 | tarzeau | why am do i have two mice configs in XF86Config-4 and why does it fail when i startx? "failed to initialize core devices" |
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| 16:02.06 | FieldySnuts | @annoy tarzeau |
| 16:02.08 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:02.08 | Faithful | I wan't to create a PDF Form and pipe data to it and fill in the appropriate blanks... any hints? |
| 16:02.23 | spdf | tarzeau, :) |
| 16:02.23 | fmarostica | where is defined DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF? |
| 16:02.25 | karsten | tarzeau: what sort of mouse do you have? |
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| 16:02.28 | FieldySnuts | don't think you can create the forms in linux (thank adobe) |
| 16:02.30 | tarzeau | karsten: ps/2 |
| 16:02.48 | tarzeau | Faithful: forget it |
| 16:02.57 | tarzeau | ravenbird: it's not that bad, is it? |
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| 16:02.59 | ravenbird | tarzeau: de quoi tu parles? |
| 16:02.59 | Faithful | FieldySnuts: you can creat PDF forms with scribus |
| 16:03.02 | spdf | tarzeau, I was going to ask if you we're being serious.. |
| 16:03.12 | tarzeau | spdf: yes |
| 16:03.15 | Faithful | tarzeau: why??? it's a common practis |
| 16:03.22 | spdf | tarzeau, You are? |
| 16:03.23 | karsten | tarzeau: I think X thinks you've got USB |
| 16:03.25 | tuxy17 | hi. Is it possible with vino (vnc server) to accept automatically clients, without prompts ? |
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| 16:03.52 | tuxy17 | i don't find any configuration file for vino, and the docs about it are very poor |
| 16:03.58 | Indal | hmm how can i kill a user if they're ghosts? |
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| 16:04.13 | tuxy17 | anyone here that knows about vino ? and about a configuration file ? |
| 16:04.14 | FieldySnuts | what do you mean by ghosts? |
| 16:04.15 | ricky_clarkson | kill -EXORCISE |
| 16:04.16 | tarzeau | karsten: how could i tell it to not fail when it doesn't find my usb mouse (should i feel like pluggin in one)? |
| 16:04.16 | paulswm | Indal: you mean a zombie as in <defunct>? |
| 16:04.22 | FieldySnuts | tuxy17: we saw it the first time, heh |
| 16:04.22 | asg | Lambo: also /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 16:04.34 | karsten | tarzeau: not sure |
| 16:04.34 | spdf | Indal, on freenode? If it's registered, /nickserv ghost <nick> password |
| 16:04.48 | Indal | spdf: no i'm talking about debian not irc |
| 16:04.59 | ricky_clarkson | spdf: /msg nickserv, not just /nickserv (then it's more client-agnostic). |
| 16:05.00 | FieldySnuts | again, define ghost please |
| 16:05.01 | Indal | well linux in generally, i know it has a command to terminate a user logged on |
| 16:05.15 | asg | Indal: slay |
| 16:05.18 | Indal | i have 3 logons now, of which only 1 is valid |
| 16:05.21 | debian | FieldySnuts: evil spirit of dead being |
| 16:05.29 | ricky_clarkson | Indal: Use ps to identify their processes, and kill -9 all their processes. |
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| 16:05.40 | Indal | isn't there an easier way, i thought there was a command |
| 16:05.40 | debian | FieldySnuts: Can only be harmed by magical weapon. |
| 16:05.44 | asg | Indal: slay |
| 16:05.47 | ricky_clarkson | !info slay |
| 16:05.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:05.52 | toresbe | Indal: apt-get install slay |
| 16:05.53 | dpkg | slay: (Kills all of the user's processes), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 16:05.57 | ricky_clarkson | w00t. |
| 16:05.58 | Phated | kill -9 -is- a command... |
| 16:06.00 | Indal | ahh i didn't have slay installed |
| 16:06.03 | tuxy17 | FieldySnuts, i googled googled, and didn't found anything |
| 16:06.07 | tuxy17 | is vino a ghost ? |
| 16:06.07 | Indal | Phated: yes i know |
| 16:06.08 | debian | FieldySnuts: special attack: drain int |
| 16:06.13 | ricky_clarkson | Indal: Well, there's a solution to that. |
| 16:06.19 | Indal | cool thanks |
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| 16:06.55 | Blitx_ | I assume most of you started out using Windows. How easy is the transition? |
| 16:07.07 | simonrvn | no, i didn't |
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| 16:07.16 | ricky_clarkson | Blitx_: Spectrum 48K personally. |
| 16:07.18 | asg | Blitx_: it depends on how willing you are to read |
| 16:07.28 | debian | Blitx: I started out using ATARI...sorry to let you down |
| 16:07.31 | simonrvn | C=64 and mock os |
| 16:07.34 | tell | does anyone know of an app to chat on msn with webcam support? |
| 16:07.37 | ricky_clarkson | Blitx: Ask again in 10 years. |
| 16:07.41 | tell | C64 rules |
| 16:07.42 | paulswm | Blitx: I didn't either and depends what you want to use it for |
| 16:07.45 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
| 16:07.46 | ricky_clarkson | tell: No. |
| 16:07.57 | debian | tell: Bull, Atari beats the crap out of C64. :) |
| 16:07.58 | ricky_clarkson | tell: It's missing the "PLOT" command in its BASIC instruction set. |
| 16:07.59 | Blitx | Ok, at the time you moved to linux that is |
| 16:08.13 | debian | Blitx: I was using SGI then |
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| 16:08.32 | jdhutchin1 | Blitx, it depends how much you already know about linux, and how willing you are to read the documentation |
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| 16:08.41 | ricky_clarkson | Blitx: There are tutorials online for moving from Windows to Linux, it's not that hard unless you spend 5 years looking for the Linux Registry and typing regedit. |
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| 16:08.55 | m4lu6 | Anyone have experience using a Treo 600/650 as a modem? |
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| 16:09.04 | Blitx | What is the linux equiv of the "registry"? |
| 16:09.05 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 16:09.08 | asg | Blitx: /etc |
| 16:09.10 | p30n | i use Treo for headaches |
| 16:09.14 | paulswm | Blitx: /etc |
| 16:09.41 | paulswm | Blitx: and ~ (home) |
| 16:09.44 | ricky_clarkson | p30n: To knock yourself out? |
| 16:10.17 | p30n | ricky_clarkson: no, even if u ate 30 Treos u wouldnt be knocked out, i said i use em for headache, regular painful headaches :p |
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| 16:10.33 | Blitx | I'm not totally new. I started messing out of curiosity about two or so years ago and have tried Mandrake 9, but it wasn't what I was looking for. I really like the later versions of Knoppix, but they won't install to HDD so I thought I'd go to the source and try it. |
| 16:10.36 | p30n | if i wanted to knock myself out i would inhale some butane lighter gas |
| 16:10.44 | ricky_clarkson | p30n: I meant to hit yourself on the head and knock yourself out. |
| 16:10.54 | paulswm | Blitx: /etc/ and home dotfiles are conceptually similar to Windows .ini files only better and there's none of that complicated registry crap |
| 16:10.55 | asg | Blitx: then you should be fine |
| 16:11.04 | simonrvn | head to kbd works |
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| 16:11.14 | Blitx | I like the interface and how all the stuff works |
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| 16:11.27 | Phated | What, now stuff works? |
| 16:11.32 | Phated | :D |
| 16:11.34 | Blitx | heh |
| 16:11.41 | gypsymauro | hello what's the right way in debian to create certificates for apache2 on ssl? |
| 16:11.50 | p30n | ricky_clarkson: with Treo painkillers?? :p |
| 16:12.02 | simonrvn | TMTOWTDI |
| 16:12.09 | skyisblue | windows is highly crypted thing like kerberos.. |
| 16:12.15 | asg | gypsymauro: self-signed ones or ones from a 3rd party such as Thawte? |
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| 16:12.30 | asg | skyisblue: ? |
| 16:12.35 | paulswm | Blitx: well set some disk space aside and install debian sarge and see how it goes, the sarge install should be a piece of cake |
| 16:12.53 | ricky_clarkson | p30n: Nah, modems. |
| 16:12.58 | gypsymauro | asg: I mean to create the cert |
| 16:13.04 | Frogger_ | ?me goes crazy!!!!!!! |
| 16:13.09 | Frogger_ | grrr! |
| 16:13.11 | paulswm | simonrvn: TMTOWTDI ?? |
| 16:13.20 | simonrvn | @TMTOWTDI |
| 16:13.21 | asg | gypsymauro: look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/apache2/* and /usr/share/doc/openssl/* (there should be instructions in there) |
| 16:13.21 | ravenbird | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 16:13.38 | p30n | ricky_clarkson: yeap yeap |
| 16:13.51 | Frogger_ | wdf DOES IT SAY IT'S 19.4 MB? |
| 16:13.53 | paulswm | simonrvn: thanx :) |
| 16:14.26 | Frogger_ | it's not that small |
| 16:14.32 | asg | Frogger_: what isn't? |
| 16:14.33 | Frogger_ | This is so confusing |
| 16:14.40 | gypsymauro | asg: I found but not in apache2 where I was searching tanx |
| 16:14.41 | asg | !VAGUENESS |
| 16:14.41 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 16:14.43 | Frogger_ | the netinst image |
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| 16:14.59 | asg | gypsymauro: you might also google for it |
| 16:15.01 | paulswm | Frogger_: no, it's about 100MB IIRC |
| 16:15.01 | Frogger_ | it spent this whole time to d/l 107mb worth |
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| 16:15.21 | simonrvn | hey, full image is ~600 MB... |
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| 16:15.59 | Blitx | paulswm I set aside a 30GB ext partition for it--the main reason I came into this channel was to get some opinions on if it was safe to install without backing up...since I don't have a TB anywhere I can copy to |
| 16:16.00 | Frogger_ | ugh |
| 16:16.16 | Coke_ | Why would my lsmod not be able to tell me what modules uses what modules? It's just a - followed by a blank. |
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| 16:16.41 | pingouin | gypsymauro: so ? what is the right way to create its own certificate in apache-ssl /debian ? |
| 16:16.43 | paulswm | Blitx: if you have the partion you should be OK, I can't see how installation would damage the partition table |
| 16:16.50 | Frogger_ | finally, it's not screwing around anymore... |
| 16:16.59 | ricky_clarkson | Ctrl-Alt-F1 is *very* useful while you clean your mouse. |
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| 16:17.33 | asg | ricky_clarkson: using ion keeps your mouse permanently clean |
| 16:17.39 | ricky_clarkson | ion? |
| 16:17.43 | asg | !ion |
| 16:17.43 | dpkg | [ion] http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/, or smaller than a breadbox |
| 16:17.51 | asg | ricky_clarkson: no mouse required |
| 16:17.51 | Frogger_ | BURN baby BURN! |
| 16:18.07 | Blitx | paulswm Yeah, it's already formatted and everything. Even if my MBR gets messed it isn't a big deal since I can just fixmbr it, but I just don't wanna toast any of my other partitions heh |
| 16:18.17 | ricky_clarkson | asg: My window manager doesn't need the mouse, but, for example, my Java IDE does. |
| 16:18.27 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes, a pity :) |
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| 16:18.38 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you using eclipse these days? |
| 16:18.39 | jdhutchin1 | Blitx, it is *never* safe to install without a backup, but if you know what you're doing, you can get away with it |
| 16:18.40 | Coke_ | ricky_clarkson: quit using a crappy IDE then. |
| 16:18.40 | paulswm | Blitx: you should be cool, suggest running ext3 fs if you don't have UPS |
| 16:18.52 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Yes, and vim at times. |
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| 16:19.23 | asg | ricky_clarkson: cool, it's not bad as far as IDEs go (I assume you have the vim keybindings plugin for eclipse) |
| 16:19.30 | ricky_clarkson | asg: No I don't. |
| 16:19.36 | Frogger_ | W00T! |
| 16:19.39 | ricky_clarkson | When I want vim I use vim. |
| 16:19.43 | asg | ricky_clarkson: fair enough |
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| 16:20.20 | ricky_clarkson | asg: I'd rather learn how to customise vim more for Java programming - I can manage to jump through errors, but not navigate through source. |
| 16:20.28 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, wonder whether ctags works on Java source. |
| 16:20.36 | asg | ricky_clarkson: good question |
| 16:20.59 | asg | ricky_clarkson: it does (according to apt-cache show exuberant-ctags) |
| 16:21.06 | rafx | has anyone had problems with JFS in debian? i've been testing it with sarge on test machines for a week and it seems solid (kernel-2.4.27-2 and jfsutils 1.1.7). would like feedback before using it in production. |
| 16:21.15 | paulswm | I prefer gvim in X, context coloring is brighter than vim in an xterm |
| 16:21.42 | ricky_clarkson | I use vim in a tty. |
| 16:21.47 | Delph | you're changing applications because you haven't configured the colours right? |
| 16:21.56 | gypsymauro | pingouin: apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 16:21.57 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: ah |
| 16:22.00 | skyisblue | rafx: JFS is fine with my old comp. |
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| 16:22.13 | skyisblue | and Grub |
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| 16:23.06 | rafx | yea, no problems using JFS on all partitions (including /boot) |
| 16:23.18 | paulswm | asg: context highlighting has saved my ass so many times, like forgetting to close a quoted literal is hard to do when the rest of your proggy turns pink, heh |
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| 16:23.43 | asg | paulswm: true |
| 16:24.04 | raven | anyone have any clue when 2.6.10 kenel is gonna be moved to testing? |
| 16:24.12 | skyisblue | rafx: when i try to install X11 on p166 on 32, my comp is freezed, so i did power off, but it recovery so fine, you see it now. |
| 16:24.13 | asg | raven: it's already in iirc |
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| 16:24.25 | SirChojin | hello |
| 16:24.27 | norg | i just installed woody, and when i try ping google.com it says "unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 00100000 |
| 16:24.30 | asg | raven: sorry, nevermind |
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| 16:24.31 | norg | what does that mean? |
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| 16:24.40 | takatumi | in testing? thought 2.6.8 was frozen |
| 16:24.54 | asg | norg: add some swap probably |
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| 16:25.00 | |rufius| | norg you need swap |
| 16:25.01 | paulswm | asg: course, it doesn't stop my pointers from blowing through boundaries, not that that ever happens in *my* code, mind |
| 16:25.02 | rafx | skyisblue: thanks |
| 16:25.04 | skyisblue | s/freezed/frozen/ |
| 16:25.04 | raven | takatumi: frozen? |
| 16:25.07 | norg | how do you do that? |
| 16:25.56 | grivell | norg: You have a free partition? |
| 16:25.56 | norg | i made a swap partition when i installed |
| 16:25.56 | asg | paulswm: hah :) |
| 16:25.56 | norg | yea i do |
| 16:25.57 | norg | but i thought i already made a swap |
| 16:25.57 | SirChojin | Sorry to disturb you but I installed today a woody, upgraded it to sarge and installed bind9, dnsutils. My DNS server seems to work with external requests but it fails with internal_send: |
| 16:25.57 | McKeijan | Hola, alguien puede decirme como configurar el IRDA en mi linux, o si no remitirme al lugar adecuado |
| 16:25.57 | grivell | norg: type 'free' |
| 16:25.57 | SirChojin | # nslookup google.fr 194.146.224.102 |
| 16:25.57 | asg | norg: does 'free' show swap being used? |
| 16:25.57 | norg | how would i check? |
| 16:25.57 | SirChojin | any idea? |
| 16:25.57 | SirChojin | socket.c:1119: internal_send: 194.146.224.102#53: Invalid argument |
| 16:25.57 | SirChojin | my libc6 is 2.3.2.ds1-20 by the way |
| 16:25.57 | takatumi | raven: 2.6.8 was supposed to be the kernel for sarge release, dunno now. |
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| 16:26.16 | norg | mem total 383940 used 67680 |
| 16:26.25 | SirChojin | I also installed a 2.6.10 by the way |
| 16:26.28 | norg | swap total 377992 used 0 |
| 16:26.38 | raven | takatumi: hmmm, i really need the 2.6.10. Do you know if they are getting any close to releasing Sarge as stable? |
| 16:26.45 | paulswm | asg: heard this somewhere a long time ago: pointer arithmetic is like giving a small child a loaded gun: sooner or later, it's going to go off and someone may get hurt |
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| 16:26.55 | norg | i wasn't even able to finish the installation because the internet connection died all of a sudden |
| 16:26.56 | spdf | raven, Eventually :/ |
| 16:26.57 | asg | paulswm: true, it takes a very steady hand |
| 16:27.09 | norg | the base install finished |
| 16:27.09 | paulswm | woah |
| 16:27.09 | rafx | lol |
| 16:27.12 | norg | but i couldnt select any packages |
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| 16:27.17 | norg | during adding apt sources it added one |
| 16:27.23 | norg | and then it wouldn't add any more |
| 16:27.28 | norg | just started giving errors |
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| 16:28.16 | grivell | paulswm: or at least a safer choice ;) |
| 16:28.17 | asg | SirChojin: hmmm, I don't have that problem here (same libc6, same kernel) |
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| 16:28.46 | SirChojin | well, so where the problem is located? bind9? It is strange. |
| 16:28.57 | SirChojin | If I nslookup external dns server, it works |
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| 16:29.01 | rafx | from what i've read, ext3 (ordered) is safer on 2.6 kernels than xfs, jfs and reiserfs3. on 2.4 kernel, jfs also uses something similar to ext3 (ordered) but uses writeback on 2.6 |
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| 16:29.04 | takatumi | raven: no idea. get the source and compile it if you really need it. |
| 16:29.08 | asg | SirChojin: is this a pure unstable system or do you have testing or woody packages (or non-debian packages) installed? |
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| 16:29.17 | paulswm | grivell: yeah. I'm into slow but safe, prolly related to age :) |
| 16:29.43 | spdf | Anyone watch Fat Albert (I imagine there's one person in here who has) |
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| 16:29.48 | SirChojin | it was en empty stable upgraded with dist-upgrade to testing. After only I installed bind9, etc |
| 16:29.58 | SirChojin | only debian packages |
| 16:29.58 | McKeijan | Nadie q sepa de IRDA? |
| 16:30.03 | norg | hmm |
| 16:30.11 | spdf | McKeijan, Do you speak English? |
| 16:30.14 | norg | why can't the kernel handle virtual memory requests |
| 16:30.18 | asg | SirChojin: well, did you compile 2.6.10 yourself or did you grab a sid kernel image and install that? |
| 16:30.22 | McKeijan | A little |
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| 16:30.32 | asg | McKeijan: try #debian-es |
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| 16:30.40 | McKeijan | Thanks |
| 16:30.43 | SirChojin | I compiled 2.6.10 myself as it seems it was laking of modules I needed |
| 16:31.11 | SirChojin | but I installed in first kernel-image-2.6.8-10-smp from debian |
| 16:31.12 | asg | SirChojin: then you are likely missing some kernel code |
| 16:31.23 | asg | SirChojin: did the 2.6.8 image work? |
| 16:31.34 | SirChojin | yes but I had not network |
| 16:31.39 | nsa | how do i add kde's window manager to /etc/alternatives ? |
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| 16:31.54 | SirChojin | then could not test bind9 fully |
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| 16:32.05 | asg | SirChojin: then check the 2.6.10 config and add whatever is missing |
| 16:32.13 | norg | what could be wrong with my install? |
| 16:32.18 | norg | the memory seems to be fine |
| 16:32.19 | asg | norg: try #debian-boot |
| 16:32.19 | SirChojin | about what configuration directives? |
| 16:32.22 | norg | i just tested it |
| 16:32.34 | orjan | The certificate has got too ond in courier-imap. How do I fix a new one? |
| 16:32.44 | orjan | old, even |
| 16:32.48 | asg | SirChojin: that I don't know but it would be a good bet that most things in the Networking section need to be included. |
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| 16:33.09 | SirChojin | HMM |
| 16:33.10 | SirChojin | hmm |
| 16:33.18 | fmarostica | where is defined DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF? |
| 16:33.32 | asg | SirChojin: which network card is failing with 2.6.8? |
| 16:33.40 | norg | that's weird |
| 16:33.43 | norg | it just started working |
| 16:33.46 | SirChojin | I tried via-rhine but it could not managed to work |
| 16:33.47 | norg | so can i run tastsel now? |
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| 16:33.53 | asg | fmarostica: grep -lr DEBCONFlocal /etc/exim4 |
| 16:34.02 | SirChojin | on 2.6.10 I compiled via-rhine with * (then no module) |
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| 16:34.05 | norg | or how do i get back into the config that runs during install? |
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| 16:34.08 | SirChojin | to be sure it works :) |
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| 16:34.22 | greycat | norg: tasksel is the novice interface to package selection |
| 16:34.40 | norg | yea i like it |
| 16:34.45 | raven | takatumi: the problem I have is with installing Debian using netinstall CDs. All of them use 2.6.8 kernel, and there is abug in it which doesn't detect my SATA drive. Specifically, the issue is with the sata_nv driver, which timesout. The 2.6.10 kernel is supposed to have a workaround, although they still wan't to investigate this issue further. So the thing I'm faced with, is how to make get a netinstall CD for sarge, that boots with the 2 |
| 16:34.45 | raven | .6.10 kernel. I've tried making one myself without using any scripts, but got as far as getting it to boot and load up, but then I was getting an error where it couldn't read any of the base instalation files of the CD. ;( |
| 16:34.53 | norg | i don't want to bother with selecting each package |
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| 16:35.06 | norg | what version of gnome will be installed? |
| 16:35.16 | greycat | depends on which sources you're using |
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| 16:35.24 | greycat | for woody, 1.4; for sarge, 2.8 |
| 16:35.36 | raven | takatumi: and I'm running KNOPPIX now, which is kind of a neat concept. hehe |
| 16:35.50 | norg | hmm |
| 16:35.56 | norg | how can i get the latest gnome? |
| 16:35.56 | greycat | raven: we cannot and will not answer any knoppix questions -- ask #knoppix |
| 16:36.06 | greycat | norg: 2.8 is quite "latest" already |
| 16:36.06 | SirChojin | I can show you the configuration file if you want asg |
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| 16:36.14 | takatumi | raven: probably try a chroot install from knoppix (debootstrap) |
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| 16:36.31 | raven | greycat: I'm not asking anything about KNOPIXX. I'm forced to run it, because I can't get debian to install. hehe |
| 16:36.57 | greycat | raven: I've never built a custom sarge net install CD -- try asking #debian-boot |
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| 16:37.18 | greycat | there are *woody* custom net install instructions at "/msg dpkg roll your own ISO" |
| 16:37.31 | raven | greycat: thanks dude. I'll check it out. |
| 16:37.37 | takatumi | although I've heard it is possible to get SATA to work with 2.6.8 |
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| 16:38.27 | norg | how can i get the latest version of gnome. what source do i need to add? |
| 16:38.35 | greycat | norg: just run sarge, and you'll have gnome 2.8. |
| 16:38.41 | ricky_clarkson | norg: Use the CVS drops. |
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| 16:38.58 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: he's a tasksel aficionado, and you're suggesting he build sources from CVS? |
| 16:38.58 | raven | takatumi: most of them work, except the nVidia's SATA control times out when sata_nv module tries to load. The fix they have for it, is to comment out a single line of code in the driver which disables the reset in the driver. It's kind of a quick fix, but it supposidly works. |
| 16:39.00 | ricky_clarkson | norg: Or better yet, ssh into all the developers' machines, and get their working copies, then merge them. |
| 16:39.05 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: He asked for the latest. |
| 16:39.24 | raven | takatumi: but on 2.6.10 kernels have that little patch. |
| 16:39.32 | norg | hahaha i don't want to build from cvs |
| 16:39.50 | ricky_clarkson | norg: So you don't want the latest. You want a usable recent version. |
| 16:39.55 | takatumi | raven: ah. |
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| 16:39.58 | asg | SirChojin: well, I'd first see what the debian config file has that your vanilla kernel doesn't |
| 16:39.59 | norg | i guess i could, but why would i do that when i can use prebuilt packages |
| 16:40.00 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 16:40.09 | norg | yea that would work |
| 16:40.14 | greycat | norg: if gnome 2.8 isn't "late" enough for you, then you'll have to ask a GNOME channel how to build a later one, and we'll ignore any further questions from you on the matter :) |
| 16:40.17 | fmarostica | asg, <asg> fmarostica: grep -lr DEBCONFlocal /etc/exim4 |
| 16:40.19 | NaturalRoots | why telnet of debian don't acess user don't password? |
| 16:40.20 | raven | takatumi: i'll read up on the web about this debootstrab method you mentioned. Maybe I'll have more luck. thanks. |
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| 16:40.32 | fmarostica | asac, not found |
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| 16:40.37 | ricky_clarkson | NaturalRoots: #debian-br - you don't make sense in English. |
| 16:40.38 | liam | Hi, can someone help me with a problem with my dvd-rw drive please? I keep getting lots of errors like 'ide-cd: cmd 0x28 timed out' and 'hdc: DMA timeout retry'... :-s |
| 16:40.40 | takatumi | raven: have fun ;) |
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| 16:40.46 | greycat | NaturalRoots: or show us the exact error message |
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| 16:40.56 | SirChojin | asg: ok, one sec |
| 16:40.57 | asg | fmarostica: then you don't have exim4 installed apparently |
| 16:41.06 | asg | fmarostica: try using /etc/exim instead |
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| 16:41.24 | liam | I've checked and it appears that the UDMA mode is set incorrectly, but the correct one isn't listed for that drive. |
| 16:41.35 | brendan_ | can anyone make a mirror of the debian apt repository with rsync? |
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| 16:41.46 | SirChojin | asg: http://www.sivit.fr/config-2.6.10 |
| 16:42.13 | NaturalRoots | Jan 17 14:42:11 localhost login[3809]: (pam_securetty) access denied: tty 'ttyp3' is not secure ! |
| 16:42.14 | NaturalRoots | Jan 17 14:42:14 localhost login[3809]: FAILED LOGIN (1) on `ttyp3' from `localhost.localdomain' FOR `teste', Authentication failure |
| 16:42.16 | skyisblue | norg: if you don't mind reinstall gnome or didn't installed gnome, try garnome |
| 16:42.42 | abrotman | norg: which version do you want? |
| 16:42.51 | raven | takatumi: hehe, the SATA controller has been a little frustrating. First, I couldn't overclock the system because SATA1/2 don't have a working AGP/PCI lock. Ports 3/4 do. Now, the linux kernel doesn't like that SATA controler from nVidia. Should have probably bought just a PATA drive. |
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| 16:43.13 | SambearPoet | hi |
| 16:43.28 | norg | latest usable version? |
| 16:43.33 | norg | 2.8 would be nice |
| 16:43.35 | norg | but it doesn't have to be |
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| 16:43.41 | norg | just as long as it's not what comes with woody |
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| 16:43.45 | p30n | what chmod rights should i give an "upload" dir ? |
| 16:43.49 | greycat | norg: RUN SARGE. |
| 16:43.50 | p30n | chmod 777 ? |
| 16:43.54 | greycat | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 16:43.54 | dpkg | it has been said that woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". This upgrade is not painless (yet). it is less painless, so there, or consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 afterwards if you're not confident with linux hardware management |
| 16:43.58 | brendan_ | is there any documentation on creating a debian mirror? |
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| 16:44.00 | dancek | Can someone tell me what this log entry means? Jan 17 17:52:11 localhost sshd[28263]: Address 66.9.88.19 maps to mail.burlingtonusa.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT! |
| 16:44.12 | indigirl1 | why is my sound skipping? |
| 16:44.33 | Phated | It means... That someone with the address of 66.9.88.19 was trying to access you, but the DNS didn't work out...? |
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| 16:44.42 | greycat | p30n: traditionally, it would be root:ftp 730 where the anonymous FTP user is in the "ftp" group |
| 16:44.50 | jahi | has someone installed the new xfce4.2 package from www.os-works.com and can tell me if its any good? |
| 16:44.59 | cahoot | indigirl1: one cause might be that DMA isn't enabled on HD |
| 16:45.12 | greycat | p30n: the "3" is -wx which means the directory is not listable |
| 16:45.12 | Phated | jahi: It's going to be in sid soon anyways, or already is. |
| 16:45.36 | dancek | Phated: Well, in the whois entry for the ip it says: Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE |
| 16:45.38 | norg | is sarge stable? |
| 16:45.46 | greycat | norg: not officially, but it's quite good |
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| 16:45.51 | dancek | does this mean someone's trying to hack me? |
| 16:45.53 | takatumi | raven: you seem to have done all your reading about hardware after you bought it :) |
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| 16:45.58 | skyisblue | dancek: if you don't use sshd or ssh, just purge ssh. |
| 16:46.07 | dancek | skyisblue: i do use it |
| 16:46.11 | greycat | running sarge is going to be MORE STABLE than running woody plus a shitload of unofficial backports |
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| 16:46.24 | p30n | greycat: well i have glFTPd installed and i have a group named "upload" in gl and i want that grp to be able to upload to me upload folder, should i chmod it to 730? what is 777 then? |
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| 16:46.32 | greycat | p30n: 777 is rwxrwxrwx |
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| 16:46.42 | p30n | full rights? |
| 16:46.45 | norg | so if i do what dpkg said i can easily upgrade to sarge and then run which version of gnome? |
| 16:46.47 | jahi | Phated: so you mean ill can install it without fear or better wait untinl its in the apt, because it isnt in there for now (or as far as i can tell) |
| 16:46.47 | greycat | full stupidity. |
| 16:46.50 | raven | raven: hehe, yea. Other than this SATA controller issue, the motherboard is great. |
| 16:46.51 | liam | Why would hdparm not show all the UDMA modes my drive is capable of? |
| 16:47.00 | Phated | jahi: apt-get update yet? |
| 16:47.02 | greycat | norg: I told you already. |
| 16:47.06 | jahi | Phated: yes |
| 16:47.16 | asg | liam: your drive may not advertise them in a manner hdparm can access |
| 16:47.17 | greycat | Twice, IIRC.... |
| 16:47.23 | Phated | jahi: *shrugs* I've used the ones from os-cillation.de, those worked fine. |
| 16:47.24 | pigor | hi. i want to deactivate devfs. so i have deinstalled devfsd and deleted "devfs=mount" in /boot/grub/menu.lst. but after boot my xserver does not start ... mouse not found, etc. .. why ? |
| 16:47.26 | skyisblue | 4:r 2:w 1:x 4+2+1=7 |
| 16:47.27 | indigirl1 | cahoot: oh interesting take. is that through fstab? |
| 16:47.32 | p30n | greycat: well i want uploaders to be able to delete stuff and such too, and glFTPd will chroot to the /site/ folder so is it still stupid to make it 77/? |
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| 16:47.44 | jahi | Phated: cool thx :) |
| 16:47.46 | antjos | hi |
| 16:47.52 | Phated | p30n: Just read and write access to the dir, then... |
| 16:47.52 | greycat | p30n: you DON'T want anonymous uploaders deleting things, I assume...? |
| 16:47.57 | liam | asg, Can I force the mode, if I'm sure of the correct mode? (From manufacturer website) |
| 16:47.59 | SambearPoet | My question is this: I've used apt-get to install phpgroupware, but for some reason it appears PHP3 is not working: instead of processing PHP, my browser interprets all PHP files as being downloads. I'm running the very latest out-of-the-box debian. I'd appreciate any hints or things to try. |
| 16:48.09 | SirChojin | asg: As you can see I think I don't have missing network options, I leave untouched these options |
| 16:48.10 | p30n | greycat: i dont have anonymous uploaders |
| 16:48.11 | greycat | p30n: "group read and write" would be root:thegroup 770 |
| 16:48.19 | SirChojin | except some adding about NFS |
| 16:48.19 | cahoot | indigirl1: hdparm can tell if you got it installed - otherwise a look at /proc/ide/hd*/settings |
| 16:48.21 | asg | liam: you can try, but that might horribly corrupt your data. |
| 16:48.22 | greycat | "group read and write, with world read" would be 7759~ |
| 16:48.24 | greycat | bah! |
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| 16:48.27 | greycat | "group read and write, with world read" would be 775 |
| 16:48.43 | greycat | "I am a moron, please r00t me" would be 777 |
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| 16:48.57 | norg | what version of gnome does sarge have? |
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| 16:49.05 | greycat | 11:38 greycat> norg: just run sarge, and you'll have gnome 2.8. |
| 16:49.07 | greycat | 11:35 greycat> for woody, 1.4; for sarge, 2.8 |
| 16:49.14 | greycat | Make that FOUR TIMES now. |
| 16:49.16 | asg | SirChojin: well, there are a few that you don't have that the debian kernels do (NETLINK_DEV and NET_KEY) but I don't know offhand what effect, if any, these might have. |
| 16:49.17 | skyisblue | or 1775 is fine. |
| 16:49.18 | liam | asg, Well, I'm getting awful dma problems at the moment, but the drive is capable of udma3, but set to 2 so I thought this may be why... I clutching at straws at the moment because I don't know :( |
| 16:49.20 | p30n | greycat: i dont get this root:group stuff, i thought i just could write chmod 775 in the dir i wanted to change, |
| 16:49.35 | greycat | p30n: root:group means "chown root:group TARGET" |
| 16:49.37 | greycat | p30n: man chown |
| 16:49.47 | asg | SirChojin: I'd check the kernel Documentation/ to see if there is anything in there that might indicate. Also, google for the exact error you got. |
| 16:49.52 | debian | greycat: you didn't use bold |
| 16:49.58 | greycat | debian: the channel is +c |
| 16:50.00 | p30n | and whats wierd is, that i could upload to this specific folder yesterday when i chmoded it, but today it wont work |
| 16:50.16 | siva786 | hi does anyone know when the updates for X-server is going to be released for debian? |
| 16:50.19 | norg | oh sorry |
| 16:50.20 | pigor | can anyone help me to deactivate devfs? |
| 16:50.20 | norg | thanks |
| 16:50.25 | greycat | siva786: what update? |
| 16:50.27 | debian | greycat: that's why he didn't notice. :) |
| 16:50.29 | SambearPoet | Any place I should look? I've checked howto's ...I used apt-get to install this stuff, I thought that it would do it nicely. |
| 16:50.30 | SirChojin | I already google, but not alot of answers, some people talk about libc but my version is correct |
| 16:50.49 | siva786 | X-server |
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| 16:50.58 | raven | norg: http://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/gnome-core |
| 16:50.59 | greycat | siva786: what's wrong with the one you have? |
| 16:51.00 | morphen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.02 | asg | SirChojin: well, the 2.6.10 kernel image from sid should run fine on sarge. I suggest you install that and see if you have the same symptoms. |
| 16:51.06 | morphen | ops |
| 16:51.11 | raven | norg: you can check the versions on debian's website |
| 16:51.16 | dancek | pigor: I had no problems just installing udev and forgetting about devfs |
| 16:51.20 | SirChojin | hm |
| 16:51.22 | asg | SirChojin: also, you might have compiled your custom kernel with a gcc that isn't recommended. |
| 16:51.23 | SirChojin | why not |
| 16:51.27 | siva786 | problem in playing some movie files |
| 16:51.37 | p30n | greycat: another Q, do u know if glFTPd will create grps in debian or is it only groups inside glFTPd or how do i list the grps i have on my deb box |
| 16:51.45 | mrwill | siva786: are you sure you need an updated x-server to fix that? |
| 16:51.46 | greycat | I know nothing about glftpd specifically |
| 16:51.47 | SirChojin | gcc 3.3.5 I have git asg |
| 16:51.51 | SirChojin | got |
| 16:52.11 | greycat | p30n: to see your groups, read "man group" and then cat /etc/group |
| 16:52.17 | SambearPoet | Is there a channel I could ask this question on other than this one? Maybe PHP something? |
| 16:52.25 | greycat | SambearPoet: #php exists |
| 16:52.29 | asg | SirChojin: hmmm, okay |
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| 16:52.35 | mrwill | SambearPoet: there is definitely #php, but I think it is worse than useless. |
| 16:52.43 | SambearPoet | Ahh, OK |
| 16:52.46 | SirChojin | I hope via-rhine module will be supported |
| 16:52.50 | greycat | mrwill: just like the language itself? :) |
| 16:53.00 | pigor | dancek: ah, that is what i do not know ... udev ... :-) i will try ... thanks a lot! |
| 16:53.01 | p30n | greycat: thx |
| 16:53.03 | siva786 | no i don't |
| 16:53.13 | greycat | !tell siva786 about smart questions |
| 16:53.29 | mrwill | greycat: at least the language doesn't either ignore you or make fun of you no matter what you do. |
| 16:53.32 | SambearPoet | Nobody else here has installed PHP/MySQL using apt-get install? |
| 16:53.44 | SlayerXP | SambearPoet: no, we have more sense |
| 16:53.45 | mrwill | SambearPoet: sure, I have, long ago, still running it. |
| 16:53.46 | greycat | mrwill: I get plenty of abuse from sudo(8) on openbsd :) |
| 16:53.52 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 16:53.58 | mrwill | greycat: sudo is a strict one. :) |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | pegasus:~$ sudo ls |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | Password: |
| 16:54.07 | greycat | The more you drive -- the dumber you get. |
| 16:54.21 | brendan_ | Hello |
| 16:54.21 | asg | greycat: I love that |
| 16:54.25 | mrwill | SambearPoet: what's the problem exactly? did the packages not install? |
| 16:54.31 | brendan_ | is there any info on creating a partial debian mirror? |
| 16:54.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Mine doesn't ask for a password, yay. |
| 16:54.43 | greycat | define "partial"... |
| 16:54.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: mine asks for password every few minutes |
| 16:54.56 | SlayerXP | SambearPoet: a) I wouldn't recommend and b) don't send me private messages unless you want to pay for private consultancy |
| 16:54.58 | brendan_ | all the binary packages in unstable |
| 16:55.16 | SambearPoet | Sorry, Slayer XP |
| 16:55.35 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: On my home (not online) machine, I think I'll passwd -d root and my main user. |
| 16:55.36 | brendan_ | i've tried using debmirror but its acting od |
| 16:55.39 | SambearPoet | The packages say they're very much installed. |
| 16:55.49 | SambearPoet | apt-get update reports them to be up to date |
| 16:55.56 | SambearPoet | I went through config on them. |
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| 16:55.57 | mrwill | SambearPoet: what doesn't work, then? |
| 16:56.00 | ricky_clarkson | SambearPoet: How about apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:56.36 | liam | asg, Hmmm, doesn't seem possible. 'hdc: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional.' |
| 16:56.46 | asg | liam: ah |
| 16:56.54 | toresbe | I just have su setuid root |
| 16:56.57 | asg | greycat: haven't you configured your debian sudo to provide insults as well? |
| 16:57.00 | toresbe | works much better |
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| 16:57.14 | SambearPoet | In my experience PHP is not working, although apache is definitely working. |
| 16:57.15 | ricky_clarkson | !info sl |
| 16:57.16 | liam | asg, the man mentioned settings the PIO and stuff too but sounded a bit scary to me! |
| 16:57.19 | greycat | asg: nah, haven't bothered doing much beyond adding myself as "sudo enabled" |
| 16:57.21 | dpkg | sl: (Correct you if you type `sl' by mistake), section games, is optional. Version: 3.03-14 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 16:57.26 | ricky_clarkson | I like that one. |
| 16:57.38 | asg | greycat: Defaults insults (add that to /etc/sudoers) |
| 16:57.38 | toresbe | sl is fun :) |
| 16:57.47 | toresbe | hm brb |
| 16:58.15 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 16:58.23 | ricky_clarkson | BUGS: It rarely shows contents of current directory. |
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| 16:58.54 | asg | greycat: it's too bad the insults aren't referenced from a file, I'd love to have a simpler way to provide local work specific jibes w/o recompiling. |
| 16:58.56 | simonrvn | asg: i have :) |
| 16:59.03 | baserose | hi all... anyone got Memorex usb memory key working on debian ?! |
| 16:59.04 | greycat | I rarely type "sl" anyway. I'm far more likely to type "l s-lart" |
| 16:59.07 | ricky_clarkson | Annoyingly, I don't think I've typed sl by accident, ever. |
| 16:59.38 | SambearPoet | OK, well, thanks for trying folks. |
| 16:59.39 | simonrvn | greycat: same. that's why i bound my most common ls command to 'l' ;) |
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| 16:59.50 | greycat | simonrvn: annoyingly, HP-UX has an "l" command already |
| 16:59.53 | stepgr_ | irc://irc.groovy.net |
| 16:59.53 | dambodog | in order to start kde i need to inset into the .xsession file " start kdebase"? |
| 16:59.58 | simonrvn | oh too bad |
| 17:00.07 | asg | dambodog: or 'startkde' |
| 17:00.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart slow scsi disk |
| 17:00.14 | simonrvn | stepgr_: /server irc.groovy.net |
| 17:00.14 | greycat | l(1) on HP-UX gives you a "comma-space" separated list of the file names |
| 17:00.16 | toresbe | greycat: Wow, what does it do? |
| 17:00.21 | greycat | 1, 122.sh, 123.sh, 125.sh, 130.sh, 137.sh, 142.sh, 1640.ps, |
| 17:00.23 | asg | greycat: interesting |
| 17:00.26 | toresbe | ah |
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| 17:00.32 | greycat | I have *no* clue what use that is. |
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| 17:00.42 | asg | greycat: for feeding to csv parsers |
| 17:00.46 | toresbe | greycat: The L key wasn't used :P |
| 17:00.51 | rjalex | please help. my PCMCIA modem quit working. Kernel 2.6.10 with hotplug and udev. /dev/modem does not appear anymore tail -f /var/log/syslog does not show any activity ! TIA |
| 17:01.15 | simonrvn | greycat: you could alias that l command to lc or something - just a thought |
| 17:01.26 | simonrvn | ls -comma ;p |
| 17:01.34 | greycat | simonrvn: or train myself not to type so badly |
| 17:01.38 | simonrvn | s/-/--/ |
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| 17:01.44 | Rbk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.48 | orjan | The certificate has got too old in courier-imap. How do I fix a new one? |
| 17:01.48 | simonrvn | greycat: too late ;) |
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| 17:01.56 | rjalex | anyone has a pointer to an updated presentation on the Debian project ? |
| 17:02.08 | simonrvn | orjan: you make it. the courier pakages provide a means to do so |
| 17:02.12 | simonrvn | pack* |
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| 17:02.19 | greycat | orjan: 1) man -k courier 2) /usr/share/doc/courier-imap 3) Google 4) #courier |
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| 17:02.33 | simonrvn | greycat: too late for me (not really) |
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| 17:03.31 | orjan | simonrvn: I only have the imap part, is it there or is it a separete program? |
| 17:03.36 | rjalex | in your opinion which where the most important open source projects/events in 2004 ? |
| 17:03.52 | asg | rjalex: openbsd getting smb support |
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| 17:03.56 | simonrvn | orjan: no. dpkg -L the -ssl package(s) |
| 17:04.02 | asg | s/smb/smp/ |
| 17:04.04 | caphuso | asg: that it can finally talk to windows? |
| 17:04.06 | rjalex | asg good one :) |
| 17:04.11 | orjan | simonrvn: ok thanks |
| 17:04.11 | pigor | dancek: "udev" works only for kernel 2.6 -- i have the old one 2.4 |
| 17:04.21 | asg | caphuso: it only jeers at windows, it doesn't talk per se |
| 17:04.28 | simonrvn | asg: hehe |
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| 17:04.34 | archpollux | hi |
| 17:04.48 | liam | Anyone know what 'ide-cd: cmd 0x28' is? |
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| 17:04.52 | bitsnbytes | hi all newbie here....i've just installed apache and php 4 via apt-get...looking to see if php is working...what else would i have to do? |
| 17:05.12 | greycat | bitsnbytes: try it. |
| 17:05.15 | simonrvn | read /etc/apache/httpd.conf for the php bits |
| 17:05.18 | archpollux | anybody familiar with lirc (kdelirc preferably) can tell me if i can configure a combination of remote control buttons to change the current mode? |
| 17:05.45 | greycat | pigor: funny, I have older ones than that. |
| 17:05.48 | rjalex | bitsnbites usually php install some phpinfo script, use a browser on your 127.0.0.1 and run that |
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| 17:06.23 | pigor | greycat: ... and have you tried devfs? |
| 17:06.29 | bitsnbytes | ive actually tried the php info..and it didnt work.. |
| 17:06.40 | greycat | pigor: no, I had the foresight to avoid that particular bit of insanity. |
| 17:06.42 | bitsnbytes | do i have to install the mod_php and then add it to the apache config |
| 17:07.00 | rjalex | why o why o why noone helps me with this "£$$%$£%£$£"$% PCMCIA modem not working anymore ... I am really in trouble :( |
| 17:07.35 | asg | rjalex: use a previous working kernel, file a bug against the new image. |
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| 17:08.03 | rjalex | asg I am using the SAME kernel under which the bloody bastard worked !!! |
| 17:08.09 | greycat | rjalex: what changed? |
| 17:08.27 | rjalex | asg a few debian sid updates :) |
| 17:08.29 | asg | rjalex: then I suspect some udev borkage |
| 17:08.32 | rjalex | maybe hotplug |
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| 17:08.35 | pigor | greycat: you have been very intelligent ,, but do you have an idea to activate my nodes for mouse, etc. ... after deactivating devfs? |
| 17:08.50 | rjalex | asg ... how can I debug the thing ? |
| 17:08.56 | greycat | pigor: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV _whatever_ |
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| 17:09.14 | rjalex | asg yes also udev is probably a suspect :( |
| 17:09.21 | bwbettin | How does one setup their debian box to connect to an MS SQL 2000 Server? I have apache2/php4. I didn't see a php4-mssql package, although I've read about it online (running sarge). I've tried installed the FreeTDS libraries and setting them apropriately, as well as installed the php4-sybase package. Nothing seems to work. Could someone point me in the right direction, I'm stumped. |
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| 17:09.30 | asg | rjalex: dunno there, I've never used it. |
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| 17:09.37 | asg | bwbettin: php4-sybase |
| 17:09.42 | golgotha | does anyone use debootstrap to install servers? |
| 17:09.44 | rjalex | asg nothing happens in dmesg or tail -f /var/log/syslog when I insert the card |
| 17:09.50 | pigor | greycat: but i don't know which nodes are missing |
| 17:09.51 | bwbettin | asg I installed that |
| 17:10.02 | pigor | greycat: ... not exactly |
| 17:10.03 | greycat | pigor: for a mouse, it would be psaux, ttyS*, and input/mice (USB) |
| 17:10.07 | rjalex | asg would you agree that with 2.6.10, hotplug etc I DO NOT need the pcmcia-cs packages anymore ? |
| 17:10.11 | asg | bwbettin: then it should work. what errors are you getting? |
| 17:10.14 | bwbettin | asg, Is there anything I must do to further set that up, or should it work right after the package install? |
| 17:10.19 | bwbettin | hmm |
| 17:10.22 | greycat | pigor: I think MAKEDEV also has a "make all the standard nodes" thing |
| 17:10.28 | asg | bwbettin: provided php is working correctly, it should, yes. |
| 17:10.29 | greycat | man MAKEDEV |
| 17:10.40 | MARX | alguem aÃ? |
| 17:10.42 | siva786 | hey greycat when I am playing a real format movie I can observe some lag between frames whereas I don't find it in Fedora 2..what do u think is the problem? |
| 17:10.44 | bwbettin | asg One that that's different about the server I must connect to is the port. It's port 2433 as opposed to the standard 1433. Where do i define that? |
| 17:10.55 | greycat | !tell MARX about br |
| 17:10.58 | pigor | greycat: sounds great .. testing ... |
| 17:11.00 | asg | bwbettin: probably using some function in the sybase module |
| 17:11.02 | rjalex | mark ai algiuem |
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| 17:11.22 | brendan_ | do you need the debian public key to use debmiror? |
| 17:11.26 | brendan_ | if so, where do you get it? |
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| 17:12.04 | zap_ | hello, I am trying to install testing from the pxe netboot installer, how do I load scsi modules so that I can partition my drive? |
| 17:12.11 | bwbettin | asg, hmm. I'll poke around and keep messing with it, at least I know I have the correct package installed and am heading in the right direction. |
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| 17:12.33 | asg | bwbettin: yep. You might also need to fiddle with the freetds.conf to define the default server type (and port perhaps) |
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| 17:13.12 | bwbettin | asg, I had, but it didn't appear to work. I'll keep poking at it. |
| 17:13.13 | bwbettin | thanks |
| 17:13.17 | asg | bwbettin: you're welcome |
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| 17:13.34 | rjalex | asg thank you for listening. have anice evening. |
| 17:13.39 | asg | rjalex: you too |
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| 17:14.16 | MARX | you are gay? |
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| 17:15.06 | thingfish | I think I'm the only gay debian user in here, at least who's out. |
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| 17:15.15 | archpollux | haha |
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| 17:15.30 | greycat | thingfish: in a channel of 800, I'd assume more than 1... but the rest may be lurkers |
| 17:15.31 | archpollux | i thought u said the only gay lesbian user here :))) |
| 17:15.46 | thingfish | greycat: me too, but one never knows, does one. |
| 17:15.57 | thingfish | lol archpollux |
| 17:15.59 | greycat | I think it's already pretty well known that I'm not gay :) |
| 17:16.09 | simonrvn | what's being gay have to do with using a bot? sheesh, some people's children... |
| 17:16.10 | asg | greycat: mrs. greycat would be very surprised |
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| 17:16.13 | kp__ | #debian# |
| 17:16.15 | thingfish | lol |
| 17:16.21 | archpollux | i'm 1000% sure i'm straight :) |
| 17:16.34 | archpollux | asg: haha |
| 17:16.36 | pingouin | is it important to know who's gay ? and who's want to fuck goat ? |
| 17:16.42 | archpollux | yes |
| 17:16.47 | norg | how do you use tasksel? i ran tasksel and and it says "Did you update your available file?" |
| 17:16.49 | simonrvn | pingouin: no, it isn't. |
| 17:16.52 | caphuso | pingouin: if you're the goat? yes |
| 17:16.54 | simonrvn | pingouin: :) |
| 17:16.57 | archpollux | pingouin: say, what if someone likes to fuck penguins |
| 17:16.59 | simonrvn | caphuso: hehe |
| 17:17.01 | kp__ | #debian# |
| 17:17.05 | liam | Does having two devices (master and slave) on an IDE cable confuse the kernel or the dma at all? |
| 17:17.10 | greycat | archpollux: I'd say most penguins do. |
| 17:17.19 | simonrvn | kp__: having a problem there? |
| 17:17.20 | archpollux | :) |
| 17:17.26 | pingouin | archpollux: it's not gay, it's «zoophile» and it's bad |
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| 17:17.34 | archpollux | liam:very unlikely |
| 17:17.38 | simonrvn | pingouin: bestiality |
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| 17:17.45 | archpollux | pingouin: yeah, but you asked about goats |
| 17:17.50 | liam | archpollux, darn, its not that then. |
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| 17:18.02 | directhex|work | liam, not without some major hardware issue, possibly from faulty cable or controller |
| 17:18.04 | pingouin | ohh please.. |
| 17:18.10 | simonrvn | capro-baestialis |
| 17:18.15 | archpollux | liam: i have 2 devices on both ide0 and ide1 |
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| 17:18.35 | liam | directhex|work, it was fine before. just getting some horrid errors with my new drive. |
| 17:18.42 | liam | archpollux, me too ;) |
| 17:19.07 | TestUser2004 | can anybody read this ? |
| 17:19.10 | TheAsp | no |
| 17:19.12 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:19.14 | TheAsp | i cant read |
| 17:19.17 | spdf | Can't say I saw it.. |
| 17:19.20 | TheAsp | you insensitive clod |
| 17:19.24 | asg | TestUser2004: read what? |
| 17:19.24 | simonrvn | i'm blind |
| 17:19.24 | thingfish | TestUser2004: barely. can you try typing harder? |
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| 17:19.37 | TestUser2004 | what i wrote |
| 17:19.39 | TheAsp | *sniff* |
| 17:19.48 | simonrvn | TestUser2004: nope, didn't see it |
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| 17:19.51 | TestUser2004 | can anybody make on me a version check ? |
| 17:19.52 | finrod | i'm analphabet, you insensitive clod! |
| 17:19.58 | normal | quit |
| 17:20.11 | spdf | anal phabet.. |
| 17:20.14 | TestUser2004 | and ? |
| 17:20.14 | simonrvn | TestUser2004: version |
| 17:20.15 | greycat | TestUser2004: no response. |
| 17:20.20 | liam | Any idea why my dma might not work? |
| 17:20.28 | TheAsp | liam: define "not work" |
| 17:20.36 | TestUser2004 | hmm i have to implement it, okay |
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| 17:20.57 | simonrvn | TestUser2004: confirmed on the version |
| 17:21.00 | Phated | All of you are incredibly... cruel. And yet, oh so funny... |
| 17:21.13 | greycat | Phated: s/you/us/ |
| 17:21.20 | Phated | Well yeah. :) |
| 17:21.26 | liam | TheAsp, give's me nasty timeout messages in my syslog |
| 17:21.26 | thingfish | lol |
| 17:21.32 | TheAsp | liam: 80 strand cable? |
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| 17:21.56 | giupy | hi all |
| 17:21.59 | liam | TheAsp, erm, i really wouldn't know that. let me check... |
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| 17:22.35 | giupy | OT anyone that speak german can traduce some lines for me ? |
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| 17:22.43 | greycat | "translate" |
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| 17:22.48 | giupy | ehm :)) |
| 17:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | giupy: #debian-de |
| 17:22.56 | dadexter | google can |
| 17:23.03 | ricky_clarkson | Or babelfish |
| 17:23.04 | directhex|work | transcode -tf german -of french file.txt |
| 17:23.20 | ricky_clarkson | !en de translate this, motherfucker |
| 17:23.22 | giupy | ricky_clarkson not a debian question |
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| 17:23.48 | giupy | directhex|work i'm on winxp |
| 17:23.52 | ricky_clarkson | giupy: But you just asked in #debian. |
| 17:24.01 | euth_ | i'm looking for a disk diagnostic test equivalent to memtest86, but for disks |
| 17:24.05 | euth_ | any suggestions? |
| 17:24.15 | simonrvn | @en to de translate this |
| 17:24.28 | thingfish | disk drive manufacturers usually have their own tools for that. |
| 17:24.31 | giupy | ricky_clarkson yes because many german users are here |
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| 17:24.43 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 17:24.49 | ricky_clarkson | giupy: There are many Germans in Germany. |
| 17:24.52 | giupy | however thanks all it's going to be an OT |
| 17:25.01 | giupy | :) |
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| 17:25.25 | simonrvn | ffs, all this fuss about a tiny little machine that crapple cheated on by having the PS outside the case... |
| 17:25.44 | traian | hello |
| 17:25.50 | traian | i have a question |
| 17:25.56 | greycat | simonrvn: most of the mini-ATX boxes are the same wya. |
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| 17:26.15 | traian | how do i give permission for users to use the sound card? |
| 17:26.22 | greycat | traian: add them to the audio group |
| 17:26.22 | simonrvn | !audio |
| 17:26.22 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 17:26.25 | traian | can anybody help me? |
| 17:26.33 | simonrvn | ^^^^ |
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| 17:26.39 | karsten | !tell traian about ask |
| 17:26.45 | liam | TheAsp, Should I count them? |
| 17:26.49 | greycat | traian: two people did already. |
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| 17:27.06 | karsten | !tell traian about audio |
| 17:27.12 | traian | how do i add them to my group? |
| 17:27.19 | simonrvn | traian: read |
| 17:27.31 | simonrvn | traian: look up on your screen |
| 17:27.35 | karsten | traian: man adduser |
| 17:27.48 | traian | ok |
| 17:27.50 | traian | sorry |
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| 17:28.29 | liam | TheAsp, looks like about 80... |
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| 17:28.43 | traian | thanks |
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| 17:30.16 | simonrvn | fuck. i quit firefox, and XFree86 drops about 30 MB |
| 17:30.31 | TheAsp | liam: what 2 drives? |
| 17:30.32 | asg | simonrvn: it's serious hog, yes. |
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| 17:30.54 | liam | TheAsp, A dvd-rom and a dvdrw |
| 17:31.01 | TheAsp | liam: are you using cable select? if not, are you sure master is in the right spot? |
| 17:31.15 | simonrvn | asg: i was looking at some pics that karsten was showing me, too. x always bloats when i look at pics |
| 17:31.29 | TheAsp | liam: what ide controller? |
| 17:31.38 | asg | simonrvn: this 128M laptop starts swapping when I have firefox + 10 or more tabs open |
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| 17:31.46 | liam | TheAsp, Hmmm, I'm sure I checked what I installed but I should double check. |
| 17:31.59 | TheAsp | liam: are you trying to do something stupid like force it in a specific udma mode? |
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| 17:32.27 | simonrvn | asg: i'm always swapping. have 512 MB RAM. go figure. i also have ~300 processes though ;) |
| 17:32.36 | liam | TheAsp, No, i was trying to change it because its set wrong, but thats only because its not working, not the cause of it not working. |
| 17:32.39 | fmarostica | my debconf dont have DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF |
| 17:32.46 | liam | TheAsp, plus I couldn't change it anyway. |
| 17:32.48 | fmarostica | i ported my woody to sarge |
| 17:32.48 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 17:32.57 | TheAsp | liam: what controller? |
| 17:33.03 | liam | TheAsp, Sis something, I'll look. |
| 17:33.16 | TheAsp | liam: on your mb? |
| 17:33.25 | greycat | simonrvn: it's not the number of processes.... it's *which* processes they are :) |
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| 17:33.49 | simonrvn | greycat: apache2, SA, others |
| 17:34.03 | greycat | 300 SA processes would be brutal. |
| 17:34.14 | simonrvn | nah, just 5 or 6 |
| 17:34.20 | Zopei | need some help- apt-get is crashing my fresh debian install with "compilation errors" regarding perl |
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| 17:34.26 | brynjarh | Why aren't the locales set to UTF-8 encoding by default? |
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| 17:34.36 | greycat | because UTF-8 isn't widely supported yet |
| 17:34.38 | simonrvn | because not everyone wants to use it |
| 17:34.43 | liam | TheAsp, The manual say's Sis746 |
| 17:34.52 | TheAsp | liam: is it on the mb? or a card? |
| 17:34.54 | brynjarh | greycat: It's not? |
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| 17:35.04 | rdancer | sparcstation 5 is the 'sparc' architecture, correct? |
| 17:35.13 | petemc | rdancer: yeah |
| 17:35.15 | asg | rdancer: yes |
| 17:35.15 | petemc | slow as hell |
| 17:35.18 | liam | TheAsp, On the mb |
| 17:35.20 | Zopei | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Log.pm line 8. |
| 17:35.26 | rdancer | petemc, asg: thx |
| 17:35.26 | greycat | brynjarh: some of us are running machines that don't even KNOW what a utf-8 is. |
| 17:35.27 | TheAsp | liam: is there a bios option to enable udma? :) |
| 17:35.50 | TheAsp | all other dists are UTF-8 now... |
| 17:36.04 | petemc | ive some alpha station 2100(A)s i should get going |
| 17:36.05 | TheAsp | thank god. :) |
| 17:36.12 | liam | TheAsp, Not sure, didn't look but the other drives are ok using it. |
| 17:36.24 | TheAsp | liam: it may be a drive by drive option |
| 17:36.38 | TheAsp | liam: and you may have to set it as a custom type, possibly |
| 17:36.55 | liam | TheAsp, ah, ok. well thats 2 things to check which involves restarting so I may as well have a look. :) |
| 17:37.01 | liam | TheAsp, Thanks for the suggestions. |
| 17:37.03 | TheAsp | np |
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| 17:38.01 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 17:38.10 | mick_laptop | typically, how big is a mirror? |
| 17:38.17 | TheAsp | mick: very. |
| 17:38.43 | greycat | "bigger than a breadbox" |
| 17:39.07 | idnar | heh |
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| 17:39.37 | mick_laptop | Debmirror says this: Download all files that we need to get (10397 MiB). |
| 17:39.37 | mick_laptop | wtf is a MiB? |
| 17:39.37 | mick_laptop | Mibabytes :) |
| 17:39.55 | mick_laptop | because I don't want a mirror that is 10.1533203 gigabytes |
| 17:40.01 | greycat | !mib |
| 17:40.01 | dpkg | methinks mib is Men In Black |
| 17:40.03 | greycat | bah! |
| 17:40.05 | mick_laptop | (thats i386 alone) |
| 17:40.18 | mick_laptop | greycat: thanks for the help |
| 17:40.27 | TheAsp | hah |
| 17:40.38 | mick_laptop | so debmirror was written by an alien |
| 17:40.40 | TheAsp | mick: why do you want a mirror? |
| 17:40.56 | greycat | dpkg, no, mib is MibiBytes, the new politically correct way of saying "megabytes", with emphasis on the 1048576-byte-ness (2^20, not 10^6). Also "Management Information Base" (SNMP), or Men in Black. |
| 17:40.57 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 17:40.58 | TheAsp | mick: save bw for a few machines? |
| 17:41.03 | paulswm | mick_laptop: MiB may be millions of bytes as opposed to 1024*1024s , anyway 10G sounds about right |
| 17:41.17 | greycat | paulswm: no, no, no! |
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| 17:41.29 | jgw_ | has anyone encountered not being able to connect to any irc server with any irc client (ircii,bx,irssi) with a brand new debian sarge install with iptables -F'd, identd enabled, and no other firewalling between you and the irc server? |
| 17:41.33 | mick_laptop | TheAsp: i need to update a network that isn't online |
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| 17:41.37 | paulswm | greycat: well anyway it's still about 10 G, heh |
| 17:41.42 | TheAsp | mick_laptop: nat? :) |
| 17:42.09 | simonrvn | um, someties you don't want to nat things... |
| 17:42.09 | mick_laptop | as in, secluded in nowhere-land |
| 17:42.12 | simonrvn | times* |
| 17:42.16 | TheAsp | on our cluster we use squid to cache packages, set aside a few gigs and it builds up over time |
| 17:42.19 | TheAsp | as shit gets downloaded |
| 17:42.21 | greycat | jgw_: try a different port than 6667... maybe your workplace is blocking |
| 17:42.34 | greycat | (or your school, ISP, etc.) |
| 17:42.34 | jgw_ | its not, i'm the firewall admin :) |
| 17:42.37 | simonrvn | freenode supports 7000 for ipv6 |
| 17:42.52 | brynjarh | Anyone here a C# programmer? |
| 17:42.56 | TheAsp | i know C# |
| 17:42.57 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.00 | jgw_ | bryn: me, a little |
| 17:43.03 | asg | brynjarh: try #c# |
| 17:43.10 | brynjarh | :) |
| 17:43.18 | greycat | palindrome channel names rock. |
| 17:43.33 | jgw_ | i get this over and over: -:- Connection closed from irc.freenode.net: Success |
| 17:43.33 | jgw_ | -:- Connecting to port 6666 of server irc.freenode.net [refnum 0] |
| 17:43.40 | greycat | 6666 is wrong... |
| 17:43.41 | jgw_ | err switch those lines |
| 17:43.47 | TheAsp | 6667 |
| 17:43.48 | jgw_ | ok well, substitute that with 6667 |
| 17:43.51 | jgw_ | it does the same thing |
| 17:44.11 | greycat | try "telnet irc.freenode.net 6667" |
| 17:44.13 | jgw_ | not sure if this build of sarge is bunked up or if its something else |
| 17:44.19 | mick_laptop | how can i skip ISOs and such when mirroring a server (with debmirror) |
| 17:44.21 | jgw_ | grey: yeah that works and i get the normal raw irc output |
| 17:44.40 | simonrvn | allocated irc port range is 6666-6669 or 6666-7000 depending on who you ask |
| 17:45.15 | Knight_Lord | Anyone here tryed using FAI for building a cluster. I'm trying it on alpha but FAI seems to me a bit unpolished |
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| 17:46.11 | TheAsp | i find that systemimager is usually a better option then fai |
| 17:46.13 | r011 | i have an application, that looks for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 => not found, my installed version of glibc is 2.3.2, is it ok to link the missing library, or i have to downgrade my libc6? |
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| 17:46.26 | TheAsp | though ive never finished setting up FAI every time i go to try it out |
| 17:46.31 | daft | How can I change the root / to a directory as user (and for that user only) |
| 17:46.40 | TheAsp | daft: chroot? |
| 17:46.51 | daft | hmmzz |
| 17:46.52 | simonrvn | ircu 6665-6669/tcp # IRCU |
| 17:46.53 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp it also seems overly complex to me |
| 17:46.57 | simonrvn | my bad |
| 17:46.59 | TheAsp | Knight_Lord: *nod* |
| 17:47.09 | TheAsp | Knight_Lord: but it has to be to do what it does |
| 17:47.20 | TheAsp | Knight_Lord: i prefer just having a few different images |
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| 17:47.40 | daft | TheAsp, thats only for root |
| 17:47.42 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp too many things to go wrong. And i hit a bug quite fast. And it doesn't support alpha natively i had to use a bunch of patches. And some patches didn't apply cleanly. And so on and so on |
| 17:47.47 | TheAsp | daft; man chroot |
| 17:48.00 | TheAsp | Knight_Lord: there systemimager for alpah? |
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| 17:48.13 | PR- | is any software that alows me to turn a pci wireless adaptor in to a ap? |
| 17:48.35 | TheAsp | daft: Oh, i see what you mean now. |
| 17:48.36 | mick_laptop | also, why does debmirror (after failing) start downloading from the beginning |
| 17:48.37 | SlayerXP | PR-: 'mesh' sort of does that |
| 17:49.00 | TheAsp | daft: what is it you want to do? |
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| 17:49.23 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp i don't think so |
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| 17:49.43 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp only x86 not even sparc of powerpc |
| 17:49.44 | TheAsp | Knight_Lord: time to buy new boxen :) |
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| 17:50.19 | daft | TheAsp, I have 2 old pc's one server and a desktop i want that the server thankes some desktop load, nfs the root to the server and set it as root for the user is the easyest i think |
| 17:50.19 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp i was going to use them for a test cluster. The real thing already is x86 |
| 17:51.07 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp i even have some pentium motherboards lying around. The problem is that the stupid alpha cases are exactly the mirror of a PC case |
| 17:51.15 | Knight_Lord | (Miata systems) |
| 17:51.28 | MrP | How can I set my network up so I can access another network on my WAN? |
| 17:51.57 | MrP | My network is 192.168.0.x, whereas I want to be able to access the network 192.168.1.x |
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| 17:52.20 | Knight_Lord | MrP you need a route rule |
| 17:52.22 | FieldySnuts | learn about routing |
| 17:52.27 | TheAsp | daft: probably not |
| 17:52.37 | Knight_Lord | MrP do you have a gateway? |
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| 17:52.47 | daft | inly the root and im finisched |
| 17:52.50 | daft | only* |
| 17:52.57 | Knight_Lord | MrP what is the output of /sbin/route? |
| 17:53.05 | TheAsp | daft: this probably wont work out how you want |
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| 17:53.22 | MrP | else if ($row['stock'] == "Preproduction") { |
| 17:53.22 | MrP | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.22 | MrP | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.24 | MrP | oops |
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| 17:53.29 | daft | TheAsp, what do you mean? |
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| 17:53.33 | MrP | That didn'twork |
| 17:53.46 | Knight_Lord | As anyone here tried replacing an NFS server without umounting the clients? |
| 17:53.54 | FieldySnuts | @fuck nfs |
| 17:53.59 | TheAsp | daft: a chroot'ed / wont give you the same devices you probably want |
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| 17:54.05 | TheAsp | daft: among other things |
| 17:54.13 | Knight_Lord | FieldySnuts nfs not that bad |
| 17:54.19 | TheAsp | daft: if its just the files in the homedir, just mount that |
| 17:54.23 | FieldySnuts | heh. if you say so |
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| 17:54.46 | Knight_Lord | FieldySnuts just Linux implementation of it could use some improvements |
| 17:54.55 | MrP | Knight_Lord: Mind hopping in #flood for a second? |
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| 17:55.51 | ajjl | I copied the sarge iso to my drive and mounted it as a loop device. Is there some way to start the installation system directly from a file in the mount? |
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| 17:56.22 | daft | TheAsp, I dont understand it it are just some programs if firefox is run remote im already happy |
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| 17:56.28 | pigor | anyone knows about nautilus-cd-burner? it does not recognize my cd-burner... |
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| 17:57.16 | valdyn_ | pigor: youre kernel version would be ? |
| 17:57.20 | valdyn_ | pigor: your kernel version would be ? |
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| 17:57.31 | pigor | valdyn_: 2.4 |
| 17:57.44 | valdyn_ | pigor: do different tools find your burner? |
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| 17:58.12 | pigor | valdyn_: yes, they do ... |
| 17:58.24 | dancek | ajjl: you could try this: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/hd-media/ |
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| 17:59.13 | pigor | valdyn_: xcdroast for example |
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| 17:59.27 | dancek | ajjl: you'll need the cd image too if you try that, btw |
| 17:59.45 | ajjl | dancek: thanks, will take a look.. |
| 17:59.47 | zulu | hi... I'm a tcp/ip noob and I would like to have advices on my conf: |
| 18:00.00 | zulu | I have a linux router, with 3 interfaces |
| 18:00.01 | pigor | valdyn_: but i want to use ogmrip which uses code from nautilus-cd-burner to autodetect cd-drives |
| 18:00.10 | r011 | how can i check what package do i need to install for libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 ? |
| 18:00.11 | zulu | one for the net (my modem) |
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| 18:00.20 | zulu | and 2 for 2 computer... |
| 18:00.33 | zulu | I have 2 cards and no hub... because i'm poor |
| 18:00.39 | zulu | :) |
| 18:00.49 | Knight_Lord | zulu you're not alone :-P |
| 18:00.49 | zulu | my public ip is static |
| 18:00.55 | fflush | r011: apt-file or www.debian.org |
| 18:00.56 | zulu | hehe |
| 18:01.14 | zulu | what will you advices me for the private part... |
| 18:01.16 | zulu | for the moment... |
| 18:01.30 | paulswm | zulu: you can actually put more than like 4 words on one line, it would be a bit easier to read |
| 18:01.36 | zulu | I have given the router 192.168.0.0 and 192.168.1.0 |
| 18:01.51 | Phated | paulswm: That would be !tell zulu about enter. :) |
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| 18:02.04 | paulswm | Phated: couldn't remember it |
| 18:02.09 | zulu | and respectively 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 for the boxes... |
| 18:02.10 | Phated | Heh. |
| 18:02.24 | Phated | zulu: Seriously, stop hitting enter so much. You're allowed a full paragraph here. |
| 18:02.30 | zulu | sorry paulswm you right |
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| 18:02.43 | valdyn_ | pigor: look at the /usr/share/doc/nautilus/README.Debian, it explains how nautilus-cd-burner finds your cd rom, verify it |
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| 18:03.16 | Knight_Lord | zulu 192.168.0.0 is not a good IP |
| 18:03.22 | pigor | valdyn_: ok, i will have a look ... |
| 18:03.35 | Inf3cted_FX | Hello everyone |
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| 18:03.48 | ajjl | dancek: hm, isn't there some way to start the installation system on an already booted system? |
| 18:03.55 | Knight_Lord | zulu 192.168.0.0 looks like a network not an address |
| 18:03.56 | zulu | ok my first question is: is it an obligation to have a 192.169.[01].0 on the router or may I have 192.168.0.[13] on the router? |
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| 18:04.00 | Inf3cted_FX | DOes anyone know how can I access to windows partition as user??? |
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| 18:04.20 | zulu | you right Knight_Lord so lets say 192.168.0.1? |
| 18:04.22 | nvz | Phated: Really? Oh, phated... A whole paragraph? what-ever shall I say? ... [not pressing enter] [not pressing enter] =P |
| 18:04.25 | Phated | Knight_Lord: It is, actually. |
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| 18:04.33 | Phated | nvz: *fluffy microbe smite* |
| 18:04.40 | Inf3cted_FX | zulu: you can changes ur ip address in ur router |
| 18:04.58 | Inf3cted_FX | u have to go into the settings in ur router |
| 18:05.03 | paulswm | !u |
| 18:05.03 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 18:05.09 | Inf3cted_FX | and assing an ip address if u want to |
| 18:05.12 | Knight_Lord | zulu you can't have 2 interfaces of the same network in one computer |
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| 18:05.25 | Knight_Lord | zulu if that was the question |
| 18:05.36 | zulu | really Knight_Lord ? how is that possible, what about the routing table and the mask? |
| 18:05.38 | Inf3cted_FX | Knight_Lord: is right... |
| 18:05.48 | Inf3cted_FX | in my case I have small network in my home... |
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| 18:05.57 | Inf3cted_FX | mi pc is 138.168.1.1 |
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| 18:06.05 | Phated | Oh not another one who can't stop hitting enter. :| |
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| 18:06.10 | Inf3cted_FX | the rest are 192.168.1.2 and .3 |
| 18:06.23 | paulswm | Phated: yes, looks like, dammit |
| 18:06.34 | Phated | paulswm: Damnit indeed. |
| 18:06.35 | Knight_Lord | zulu i said same network. So you can have one 192.168.1.1/24 and another one 192.168.0.1/24 |
| 18:06.52 | Knight_Lord | (i think i messed up the netmask part) |
| 18:07.00 | Phated | No, the netmasks are fine... |
| 18:07.06 | zulu | Knight_Lord, ok it's what I did.. |
| 18:07.06 | tomlobato | do you know some channel where I can talk specific topics about VPN? |
| 18:07.20 | paulswm | Phated: you just lay off my colloquial spelling, you equatorial islander :) |
| 18:07.29 | ioana | at the moment I am installing Debian (latest stable) on an IBM Thinkpad 755 using only floppies (it doesn't have a cd-rom drive and I don't have the cables to do a ftp connection). It finished copying the base (20 floppies). Where could I get the packages to make X Window work (including a small wm like IceWM)? |
| 18:07.41 | Knight_Lord | zulu yup, and it's how it should be done |
| 18:07.54 | Inf3cted_FX | Does anyone know how can I access to windows partition as user??? |
| 18:07.54 | Phated | paulswm: Oh no I said nothing about your spelling, I should have said "damnit" indeed instead. :) |
| 18:08.05 | nvz | hmm.. looks like I need to run a regex on my music, I got things spelled wrong, go figure. freedb is useless btw. haven't had it guess even a single track name off even one cd yet.. it always ends up downloading some german tracknames to some album I never heard of |
| 18:08.09 | Phated | Inf3cted_FX: Man mount, see things about umask, user. |
| 18:08.11 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX umask is probably your friend. Or you want to mount it? |
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| 18:08.28 | Phated | nvz: Woo, rename, rename. |
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| 18:08.42 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX this is all man 8 moun |
| 18:08.48 | Knight_Lord | mount* |
| 18:08.49 | Inf3cted_FX | Knight_Lord: the thing is I umask already but still |
| 18:08.50 | zulu | ok know if the forward bit is one... the router know how to receive packet from 192.168.1.2 and send them to 192.168.0.2 out of the box? |
| 18:08.51 | paulswm | Phated: thought it was a smartass Phated reply 'because I said 'dammit', I was shocked, heh |
| 18:08.53 | pigor | valdyn_: nautilus-cd-burner is reading a file (i have it, and it looks fine) for information on burner, but ... it does not work ... |
| 18:09.07 | Phated | paulswm: Smartass? -Me-? Why... I'm hurt. :) |
| 18:09.16 | Knight_Lord | Knight_Lord you get permission denied or something? What are the permissions on the files? |
| 18:09.18 | Inf3cted_FX | it saids i dont have the right to access that partition |
| 18:09.35 | Phated | Oh FFS edit your /etc/fstab or something. :/ |
| 18:09.36 | Knight_Lord | zulu you might need to add that rule specifically |
| 18:09.52 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX are you trying to mount it or something? |
| 18:10.17 | zulu | ok... I suppose I have to use route for that... can you give me an example following the last example I gave please? |
| 18:10.21 | Inf3cted_FX | lookk this is the situation: when I was on slack I mount it and access it as user... |
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| 18:10.39 | Phated | Because you had an /etc/fstab entry that allowed you to. |
| 18:10.45 | Inf3cted_FX | now in debian the partitons are mounted on /mnt/windows but when I try to acces as user I cant |
| 18:10.47 | Knight_Lord | zulu sorry i don't know route syntax by heart but you should be able to find one in either the man page or in google |
| 18:10.48 | Phated | So. Replicate it. |
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| 18:11.23 | Inf3cted_FX | its said I dont have enoght right to access |
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| 18:11.47 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX just out of curiosity what umask are you using? |
| 18:12.00 | Inf3cted_FX | let me show u |
| 18:12.12 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:12.12 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:12.13 | Phated | Better yet, just paste the whole line from /etc/fstab that relates to this partition. |
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| 18:12.32 | Inf3cted_FX | /dev/hda1 /mnt/master ntfs uid=nobody,gid=users,umask=2 |
| 18:12.32 | Inf3cted_FX | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave ntfs uid=nobody,gid=users,umask=2 |
| 18:12.39 | Inf3cted_FX | I have 2 disk |
| 18:12.50 | Inf3cted_FX | 2 HD |
| 18:13.00 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX have you thought about umask=000? |
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| 18:13.13 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX if you want to write |
| 18:13.19 | TheAsp | daft: ssh -X <server user>@<your server> firefox |
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| 18:13.34 | Inf3cted_FX | let me show u the other one |
| 18:13.47 | Inf3cted_FX | #/dev/hda1 /mnt/master ntfs ro.user.umask=000 0 0 |
| 18:13.47 | Inf3cted_FX | #/dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave ntfs ro.user.umask=000 0 0 |
| 18:14.19 | nvz | Phated: for some reason I never use rename.. but a simple 'rename s/lix/llix/ *' would be easier. |
| 18:14.23 | Knight_Lord | btw are you sure you want to write to ntfs? |
| 18:14.34 | Inf3cted_FX | yes I am |
| 18:14.52 | daft | TheAsp,the firefox aps isnt on the server it is on the destop why do you thing i wanted to mount the bins and stuff to the server |
| 18:14.53 | Inf3cted_FX | I mean look Knight_Lord I have xmms I want listen some music that I already have in windows |
| 18:14.55 | Inf3cted_FX | thatas all |
| 18:14.57 | TheAsp | Inf3cted_FX: do you want to read from it again? |
| 18:14.57 | Phated | nvz: I've always used rename for my music... rename 's/[_\ ]//g' * :) |
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| 18:15.10 | TheAsp | daft: so do it the other way |
| 18:15.13 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX then you don't really need to write do you? |
| 18:15.15 | Phated | Inf3cted_FX: NTFS write in Linux is iffy at best, downright dangerous at worst. |
| 18:15.20 | daft | TheAsp, im working on it |
| 18:15.40 | Inf3cted_FX | ke hay de este?? |
| 18:15.45 | Inf3cted_FX | /dev/hda1 /mnt/master ntfs uid=nobody,gid=users,umask=2 |
| 18:15.45 | Inf3cted_FX | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/slave ntfs uid=nobody,gid=users,umask=2 |
| 18:15.49 | daft | but why have a 100mbit full duplex if you arnt using it |
| 18:15.54 | paulswm | TheAsp: that was so good (read from it again), will use it myself (with GPL license attached of course) |
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| 18:16.07 | TheAsp | paulswm: what? :) |
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| 18:16.16 | Knight_Lord | Inf3cted_FX just mount ro with umask=000, that should work |
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| 18:16.18 | Phated | TheAsp: "Do you want to read from it again?" |
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| 18:16.33 | paulswm | Phated: thx |
| 18:16.34 | tomlobato | I have to set up VPN on linux and prefer to use IPSec. Do you recommend me to use FreeS/WAN or is there some better ipsec implementation for linux? |
| 18:16.34 | Phated | Doesn't umask=000 give you, basically, no perms at all? |
| 18:16.49 | Phated | paulswm: "Thanks" indeed. :) |
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| 18:16.51 | Knight_Lord | Phated it's the other way around |
| 18:16.51 | Inf3cted_FX | ok |
| 18:16.59 | idnar | Phated: no, it's a umask, it REMOVES no perms at all |
| 18:17.00 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Ahhh. |
| 18:17.01 | doub | hi there |
| 18:17.03 | nvz | Phated: yeah. I should. though my scripts already work, and once I convert them to python I wont have to worry about it. the (Artist)Track.ext format has been the best I've used so far.. it gives a clear indication of where one field of data ends and another begins and doesnt tokenize on whitespace, breaking up names with spaces. |
| 18:17.03 | Knight_Lord | Phated umask is ored with permission |
| 18:17.08 | Phated | idnar: thank you. :) |
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| 18:17.34 | Phated | Knight_Lord: I've never used umask, actually. My mount perms are all like... rw,uid=1001 :) |
| 18:17.40 | Phated | paulswm: Come on, you know you want to. |
| 18:18.12 | Phated | Right. :) |
| 18:18.17 | Knight_Lord | s/ored/XORed/ |
| 18:18.24 | TheAsp | :P |
| 18:18.41 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 18:18.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: tease Phated |
| 18:18.59 | Phated | HAHAH |
| 18:19.00 | FieldySnuts | oh damnbit |
| 18:19.02 | FieldySnuts | i'll remember |
| 18:19.03 | Knight_Lord | actually it's not ORed |
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| 18:19.04 | Phated | :) |
| 18:19.28 | Knight_Lord | damn, too late. My final word is ORed |
| 18:19.43 | FieldySnuts | i got that server up after replacing yet more drives and figuring out on 2.6.10, kernel irq balancing doesn't work, at least not on smp |
| 18:19.45 | daft | TheAsp, or i can mount the server /usr to the desktop and work the other way around |
| 18:19.51 | Knight_Lord | I should know first time usually is right |
| 18:19.52 | greycat | !flw |
| 18:19.53 | dpkg | <chpUke> Well, I have everything including experimental in my sources.list. |
| 18:19.56 | FieldySnuts | kept causing a panic |
| 18:20.02 | TheAsp | daft: why? |
| 18:20.07 | TheAsp | daft: no disk space? |
| 18:20.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Why you putting 2.6.10 on a server? I mean, 2.6 is bad enough... :) |
| 18:20.20 | FieldySnuts | nah, never had problems, you little troll |
| 18:20.29 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 18:20.33 | Phated | :) |
| 18:20.34 | daft | TheAsp, also and just one time the aps and stuff |
| 18:20.37 | LSorensen | Phated: so which 2.6 is better than 2.6.10 then? |
| 18:20.44 | FieldySnuts | oh, he bit it! |
| 18:20.47 | daft | the one is 1 gig the other 2gig |
| 18:20.47 | paulswm | heh |
| 18:20.48 | FieldySnuts | set the hook |
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| 18:21.00 | Phated | Ready... bait... TROLL! |
| 18:21.10 | Phated | LSorensen: Dude... I was trolling FieldySnuts. :) |
| 18:21.12 | daft | !fart |
| 18:21.20 | FieldySnuts | even more fun? i'll be trying grsecurity on it. wee |
| 18:21.21 | Knight_Lord | Phated 2.6 is much better than 2.4 performance-wise in many things (nfs for one) |
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| 18:21.33 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Dude... I was trolling FieldySnuts. |
| 18:21.35 | FieldySnuts | smp is the big improvement in 2.6 in my eyes, but hey milage varies |
| 18:21.38 | LSorensen | Phated: not very convincing really. There are good reasons not to use 2.6 |
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| 18:21.49 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: there's a Phated 2.6? |
| 18:21.49 | Phated | DUDES! I WAS TROLLING THE GIRL! SHEESH! |
| 18:21.53 | FieldySnuts | damn |
| 18:22.00 | TheAsp | my eyes |
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| 18:22.02 | FieldySnuts | troll troll troll yer boat |
| 18:22.08 | Phated | FieldySnuts: These people sure do take themselves seriously, huh? |
| 18:22.09 | p30n | question: if i chmod a folder will it affect all the subdirs also? if not, how can i make it affect all sub dirs? |
| 18:22.12 | Knight_Lord | paulswm not yet, but they it might come to that |
| 18:22.18 | greycat | in soviet russia, boat trolls you |
| 18:22.26 | FieldySnuts | s/greycat/sussudio/ |
| 18:22.26 | TheAsp | p30n: have you read the chmod man page yet? |
| 18:22.30 | LSorensen | p30n: man chmod, look at the recursive feature |
| 18:22.30 | valdyn_ | pigor: alright then, have you checked permissions on your burning device ( its group should be cdrom iirc, you should be in that group ) |
| 18:22.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hah. |
| 18:22.33 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: I thought we were on Phated 1.0 beta |
| 18:22.40 | Phated | paulswm: No, no. |
| 18:22.43 | Knight_Lord | Phated but it was a legitimate point |
| 18:22.51 | FieldySnuts | this is great. I only have one more 4U rack server to build |
| 18:22.52 | p30n | chmon 775 -R would make it recursive to all subdirs or is it a -r ? |
| 18:22.54 | Phated | DUDES! I WAS TROLLING THE GIRL! SHEESH! GET IT INTO YOUR HEADS! |
| 18:22.54 | FieldySnuts | finally |
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| 18:22.58 | Phated | Knight_Lord: ^ |
| 18:23.00 | Phated | :| |
| 18:23.01 | daft | p30n, -R |
| 18:23.05 | p30n | k thx |
| 18:23.10 | Knight_Lord | Phated i know, no worries :P |
| 18:23.12 | sussudio | isn't that a Red Hot Chili Peppers song? Trolling the girl? |
| 18:23.14 | Phated | :P |
| 18:23.17 | TheAsp | teach a man to fish, he'll just ask you to teach him how to hunt too |
| 18:23.18 | Phated | I dunno, maybe. |
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| 18:23.31 | atm | Hi, I can't start evolution. I have camel-Warning, can't convert ... to UTF-8, message index may be corrupt. How can I fix it? |
| 18:23.33 | Phated | TheAsp: /msg dpkg helping. I think you'll like that one. :) |
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| 18:23.40 | Knight_Lord | TheAsp is that bad? |
| 18:23.40 | iceman | breaking the girl |
| 18:23.52 | TheAsp | haha |
| 18:24.04 | Phated | Dear lord the poor man. |
| 18:24.04 | grivell | lol |
| 18:24.08 | paulswm | I'll shut up now and stop filling the channel with pointless puerile humour |
| 18:24.10 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: i just built and brought up a server named badger :P |
| 18:24.13 | iceman | isn't sussudio a phil collins song? :) |
| 18:24.16 | FieldySnuts | i'm sick. sick sick sick! |
| 18:24.22 | Phated | !paulswm++ |
| 18:24.27 | TheAsp | atm: is your mail on imap or some other place then in your evolution dir? |
| 18:24.28 | atm | ;) girl need a more complex manual ;) then unix ;))) |
| 18:24.28 | paulswm | heh |
| 18:24.31 | Phated | # For using "puerile" in a sentence. |
| 18:24.34 | FieldySnuts | i should name the next one wanttek |
| 18:24.38 | FieldySnuts | er wangtek |
| 18:24.44 | greycat | and for spelling it right |
| 18:24.48 | Phated | In real life. |
| 18:24.51 | mick_laptop | ok, i have a windows question (please don't give me shit for this)... I'm logged in to a Win2000 Terminal Server via my Linux box (via Citrix)... and I'd like to install Cygwin... can I install it w/o Adminstrative privs.? |
| 18:24.55 | greycat | Phated: this is *real*? |
| 18:25.08 | atm | TheAsp: some other place ;) |
| 18:25.09 | TheAsp | mick: yes, but you need admin to set the path properly to make a nice icon for xwin.exe -query |
| 18:25.13 | LSorensen | mick_laptop: I suspect so, but the admin could have locked out all ability to install software though. |
| 18:25.14 | FieldySnuts | mick_laptop: just a guess, but i would think not |
| 18:25.16 | Phated | greycat: We obviously don't have any -other- lives. Look at us! Monday night and we're on IRC! |
| 18:25.17 | pigor | valdyn_: i am in that group .. with root it does not work at all ... |
| 18:25.17 | paulswm | Phated: now I know you're a bit of a grammar/language nut, I'll try to be a bit more creative |
| 18:25.24 | ggl_6 | Hello, If I use debian as a NAT server... Is it possible to configure it with more than two external connections for increasing bandwidth on my network? |
| 18:25.27 | FieldySnuts | hey. it's monday afternoon here silly |
| 18:25.30 | FieldySnuts | and i'm at work |
| 18:25.35 | Phated | paulswm: Nah... It's just cool to see words like "puerile" being used. :) |
| 18:25.42 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It's actually Tuesday morning here. :) |
| 18:25.47 | TheAsp | atm: blow away your evolution dir then, if you are 100% sure your mail is somewhere else :) |
| 18:25.50 | LSorensen | ggl_6: not trivially, and usually requires assistance from the other end of the link |
| 18:25.51 | mick_laptop | hmmm, since I think that w/ cygwin I can ease the pain of having to use this damn thing |
| 18:25.52 | Knight_Lord | ggl_6 you mean 2 external connections to the same network? |
| 18:25.56 | pigor | valdyn_: i mean .. it does NOT work with root, sorry |
| 18:26.01 | TheAsp | atm: keep in mind this will wipe your calendar and settings and stuff |
| 18:26.16 | ggl_6 | yeah |
| 18:26.20 | paulswm | crap, I have to go back to work Tuesday, Solaris and Oracle all day |
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| 18:26.40 | Knight_Lord | ggl_6 i heard it's possible, but like LSorensen said not trivial, and i've neever done it |
| 18:26.59 | atm | TheAsp: well, what 's the use of apt-get remove --purge evolution for. I did that and the nasty UTF-8 still bugging my sweet machine ;) |
| 18:27.06 | spdf | Man...The ATi forums are going nuts waiting for drivers.. |
| 18:27.16 | TheAsp | atm: the problem is in your account's evoltuion dir |
| 18:27.18 | nsillik | i've tried setting up my printer (using cups) and every time i try to print to it it aborts on me |
| 18:27.23 | TheAsp | atm: not in the install of evolution |
| 18:27.27 | nsillik | does anyone know what the problem would be? |
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| 18:27.49 | Knight_Lord | nsillik that's a bit vague you know? Any error message? |
| 18:27.50 | ggl_6 | me neither... SO I guess I have to really get deep into that NAT configuration. |
| 18:27.52 | Rbk2 | Such sides should disappear from net...!! Terrific... http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl |
| 18:27.55 | Rbk2 | sorry... |
| 18:28.04 | Rbk2 | I'm must.... |
| 18:28.05 | greycat | nsillik: check the logs. |
| 18:28.11 | valdyn_ | pigor: hmm, I'm out of ideas then sorry, could be that magicdev magically fixes that but i wouldnt know |
| 18:28.19 | Knight_Lord | ggl_6 i don't think it's a NAT level problem. It's a lower level thingy |
| 18:28.34 | TheAsp | magicdev is evil |
| 18:28.48 | FieldySnuts | @comfort paulswm |
| 18:28.49 | Knight_Lord | ggl_6 but don't quote me on this, as i said i never set one |
| 18:28.51 | ravenbird | There, there, paulswm. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:28.55 | valdyn_ | TheAsp: i dont know it |
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| 18:28.59 | pigor | valdyn_: hmm .. thank you nevertheless |
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| 18:29.17 | paulswm | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 18:29.24 | TheAsp | valdyn_: udev+gnome-volume-manager is a better option |
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| 18:29.36 | meff | anyone here compile zsnez 1.40 on sid with gl? when i run it all i see is a black window |
| 18:29.45 | valdyn_ | TheAsp: ..if you run kernel 2.6.x |
| 18:29.50 | ggl_6 | yeah, I gotta look into NAT or networking howto's... ouch my brain hurts. |
| 18:29.52 | TheAsp | valdyn_: or 2.4 with udev |
| 18:29.57 | tosh | I have a base installed system, but my NIC is not supported so im trying to use my onboard wireless card. the airo.o module loads but I have no iwconfig binary to configure channel/essid etc. how do I proceed here? any way of configuring the wireless device through proc or something? |
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| 18:30.02 | nsillik | boddington... ahhh |
| 18:30.08 | doub | i've got trouble from one of my virtual terminals on console : it won't display latin1 caracters correctly, that is "man latin1" displays what looks like some MS-like caracters instead of the intended accented caracters. where did i go wrong? |
| 18:30.09 | pigor | my cdrom is linked to /dev/sr0 ... how can i link it to /dev/sg0 ? |
| 18:30.22 | Phated | Why would you want to? |
| 18:30.24 | greycat | pigor: don't. |
| 18:30.24 | nvz | I don't know but after trying these Ballpark franks boiled, nuked, and fried.. I say I'll take a little oscar myer weenie any day |
| 18:30.34 | tosh | pigor rm /dev/cdrom ; ln -s /dev/sg0 /dev/cdrom |
| 18:30.49 | valdyn_ | pigor: its linked to both as long as appropriate drivers are loaded, both devices go to the same hardware for different purposes |
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| 18:31.00 | TheAsp | tosh: great way to wreck his sg0 |
| 18:31.02 | paulswm | nvz: Ballpark franks really suck, I think |
| 18:31.03 | greycat | nvz: clearly you haven't heard that commercial enough times, if you can't spell oscar mayer right. |
| 18:31.12 | nvz | heh |
| 18:31.15 | Knight_Lord | tosh i think he had a different definition of link |
| 18:31.19 | tosh | I see |
| 18:31.27 | tosh | I was thinking symlink |
| 18:31.28 | paulswm | nvz: it's the rat's tails that get in the grinders |
| 18:31.48 | hudson2 | I'm doing an apt-get -b source <package> and I need to edit the script line that calls configure and retry the build. Any pointers on how I go about that? |
| 18:31.59 | greycat | !tell hudson2 about debian/rules |
| 18:32.00 | TheAsp | don't use -b |
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| 18:32.09 | LSorensen | hudson2: cd to dir, edit things, use dpkg-buildpackage -b |
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| 18:32.23 | mick_laptop | hmm, if i change the language settings for win2000 terminal server - will the other people using this also have their language changed? |
| 18:32.34 | mick_laptop | i'd hate to fuck over the guys in Germany :) |
| 18:32.36 | nsillik | where would i find the errors for cups? |
| 18:32.44 | nvz | well after about 30 seconds in the nuclear device they expload.. and if you boil them is even worse.. you got this 3-inch thick weener thats going to expload its juices in your mouth.. and well I just dont like the whole idea of a huge juicy dog.. I'll stick to my limp weenies |
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| 18:33.08 | TheAsp | nvz: are you talking about hotdogs? :) |
| 18:33.14 | mick_laptop | the web admin interface for cups should just send out errors to the screen |
| 18:33.14 | nvz | TheAsp: yep.. heh |
| 18:33.16 | nsillik | i checked in /var/log/cups/error_log nothing useful |
| 18:33.22 | greycat | lots and lots of phallic innuendo in that last paragraph. |
| 18:33.45 | Phated | nvz: "3-inch thick weener that's going to expload its juices in your mouth". BASH.ORG TIME! |
| 18:33.51 | nvz | heh |
| 18:33.52 | Knight_Lord | greycat lol |
| 18:33.56 | idnar | oh MAN |
| 18:34.03 | Phated | idnar: "MAN" is right. |
| 18:34.12 | nvz | Phated: I dont know about you, but the thought of eating one of those things makes me want to vomit |
| 18:34.16 | Phated | 'cos ain't no girl got no 3-inch thick weener. |
| 18:34.16 | mick_laptop | nsillik: try the web admin interface... http://localhost:{some port num ber for cups} |
| 18:34.25 | idnar | Phated: at least, you hope not |
| 18:34.32 | Phated | nvz: Yeah... I like nuking my weenies. :) |
| 18:34.32 | TheAsp | phat: sheman |
| 18:34.32 | mick_laptop | iirc |
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| 18:34.38 | greycat | idnar: if they have one, they aren't called "girls" any more. |
| 18:34.42 | felixdz | Hello I am having trouble getting my Lexmark X83 scanner printer... |
| 18:34.44 | Phated | idnar: :) |
| 18:34.57 | idnar | greycat: 'spose not |
| 18:34.57 | nvz | Phated: you cant nuke these things, like 20 seconds or so and they blow up |
| 18:35.06 | mick_laptop | felixdz: good luck with a Lexmark printer... |
| 18:35.11 | felixdz | cat /proc/bus/usb shows the usb ports but no device |
| 18:35.12 | Phated | nvz: You got lousy weeners. |
| 18:35.14 | nvz | Phated: best way I found it so slice em in half and fry em |
| 18:35.25 | mick_laptop | i barelly got it working as an SMB share |
| 18:35.27 | nvz | Phated: they are these big ballpark franks.. they suck |
| 18:35.32 | felixdz | Thanks mick_laptop that is the impression I am getting |
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| 18:35.42 | nvz | Phated: well you suck, they blow up in your mouth =P |
| 18:35.45 | Phated | :) |
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| 18:35.51 | Phated | nvz: For a snack, I like those frozen ones you get at the supermarket, and cut them into like tiny bits and nuke them crispy. |
| 18:36.00 | nsillik | "USB port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 18:36.02 | Phated | One wonders how many men are wincing. |
| 18:36.08 | nvz | heh |
| 18:36.08 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 18:36.36 | nvz | Phated: I won't wince, the whole thing was my idea in the first place to mention it =P |
| 18:36.38 | Phated | Colour me sadistic. :) |
| 18:36.44 | mick_laptop | felixdz: try the web based configuration wizard thing and google (and pray), check to see if it is supported as only ~5 Lexmark printers have drivers |
| 18:36.49 | Phated | nvz: So... 834-3 men. :) |
| 18:36.52 | Eagle101 | help. last night my debian box was working. this morning i started my comp, and it wont let me log-in into gnome nor kde...please help |
| 18:36.54 | mick_laptop | and with some you actually need HP drivers |
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| 18:37.07 | nvz | Phated: I figured I could complain about these lousy dogs, and get away with some dirty talk at the same time |
| 18:37.15 | paulswm | nvz: good for you though, that was a good chortle |
| 18:37.18 | Phated | nvz: :) |
| 18:37.26 | Phated | Mind, if FieldySnuts were around... :) |
| 18:37.43 | mick_laptop | felixdz: you can call them and ask them about what MacOSX driver you need to use (since MacOSX uses gimp-print, it will work on Linux) |
| 18:38.22 | nvz | Phated: needless to say it worked.. I got you to open your mouth =P |
| 18:38.39 | Phated | :D |
| 18:38.47 | Phated | nvz: You wish. |
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| 18:39.03 | lexluther | does anyone here use dnsmasq ? |
| 18:39.03 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 you know rm /etc/passwd is bad for the computer health? |
| 18:39.08 | sundance | does anyone know a good gui based stopwatch for Debian ? |
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| 18:39.23 | FieldySnuts | <Phated> Mind, if FieldySnuts were around... :) eh? |
| 18:39.28 | nvz | Phated: heh, not really. After all, I barely know anything about you. |
| 18:39.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: /lastlog nvz |
| 18:39.37 | Phated | nvz: Haha. |
| 18:39.50 | nvz | for all I know you can be that old dude next door |
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| 18:40.04 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 meaning things don't stop working without reason. What have you done to your box? |
| 18:40.06 | Phated | Guess you'll never know. :) |
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| 18:40.13 | FieldySnuts | owned |
| 18:40.22 | mick_laptop | Ok, this is hopefully my last Win2000 TS question.... how do i switch to "Terminal server install mode" ? |
| 18:40.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hehe. |
| 18:40.37 | FieldySnuts | erm, as a win chan/network ? |
| 18:40.40 | FieldySnuts | aSK |
| 18:40.46 | paulswm | nvz: naah, Phated knows too much about .sg |
| 18:40.47 | FieldySnuts | ok too hungry bbk |
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| 18:40.59 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: lol, i havent done anything. seriously. This morning i tried to log-in into gnome, and it was talking about that my last session was under 10sec or i didnt log-out right |
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| 18:41.09 | Phated | paulswm: I sould be that old dude next door who visited .sg before. :) |
| 18:41.16 | Phated | s/s/w/ |
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| 18:41.29 | paulswm | Phated: what, you are me? heh |
| 18:41.33 | Phated | HAHA |
| 18:41.41 | nvz | paulswm: yeah, well I am not a member of the Phated fanclub, and don't have the posters pinned up.. thats PerfDave, thomas_adam, toresbe, and whoever else joined since I last checked |
| 18:41.52 | mick_laptop | damn, i'd just like to get cygwin up (to provide for a smooth transition from Win2000 TS to LTS) |
| 18:41.57 | greycat | !listkeys Phated |
| 18:41.58 | Phated | What Phated fanclub? |
| 18:41.59 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 sorry but i don't beleive you :-P. Last time since an apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:41.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'Phated' by key (4 shown): CMD: phatedsmite (.*?) ;; phatedgender ;; be phated barbie ;; phated. |
| 18:42.11 | Phated | Ahhh, yes... the phated factoid... |
| 18:42.15 | thomas_adam | nvz: Don't utter my name, bitch. |
| 18:42.16 | felixdz | mick_laptop my freind should have got an hp. Thanks for the pointers. Checked the cups site. |
| 18:42.22 | paulswm | !be phated barbie |
| 18:42.24 | felixdz | Its unsupported. |
| 18:42.26 | Phated | thomas_adam: Harsh. :) |
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| 18:42.33 | k40z | installer prob: freezes _everytime_ at "detecting hardware to find cdrom drives" when "loading module 'yenta_socket' for '02 Micro Inc.." ? |
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| 18:42.49 | Phated | paulswm: In-joke. I did that very often the first couple months I was around. :) Also /msg dpkg phated :) |
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| 18:43.03 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: well yea i did an apt-get upgrade, but i do alot of those everyday and my gnome still worked fine... |
| 18:43.08 | ddfire | hi i have this error |
| 18:43.08 | Xemacs_ | now be nice to each other PLEASE |
| 18:43.19 | ddfire | Could not open /dev/vmmon: No such file or directory. |
| 18:43.19 | ddfire | bash: Could: command not found |
| 18:43.19 | ddfire | Please make sure that the kernel module `vmmon' is loaded |
| 18:43.36 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 and you are running sid? |
| 18:43.40 | ddfire | what i can do? yesterday VMware was runing |
| 18:43.42 | orkun | can anybody help me? after i start x and then change back to my console, the only thing i get to see are many colorful rectangles |
| 18:43.48 | greycat | ddfire: what did you change? |
| 18:43.50 | paulswm | Phated: hah, that's funny |
| 18:43.51 | orkun | im using the newest nvidia driver |
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| 18:43.58 | Phated | paulswm: :) I've been told. |
| 18:43.58 | orkun | and (i guess) a vesa framebuffer |
| 18:44.02 | orkun | for a bootsplash wit 1024 |
| 18:44.09 | ddfire | greycat, i update my kernel to 2.6 |
| 18:44.12 | greycat | orkun: /j #nvidia |
| 18:44.12 | orkun | i think the problem appeared after playing around with nvtv |
| 18:44.15 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 18:44.16 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 18:44.19 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: no not really... |
| 18:44.20 | orkun | thx greycat |
| 18:44.25 | nvz | ddfire: don't paste here, read the /topic. try to make this sound like it might be an on-topic issue |
| 18:44.37 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 what are you running then? |
| 18:44.44 | abrotman | greycat: ready to buy that island yet? |
| 18:45.02 | greycat | abrotman: I'm holding out for the one with the volcano, so I can build my secret underground lair. |
| 18:45.14 | nvz | ddfire: your host is sarge? and you upgraded to 2.6? |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. sounds like a plan .. |
| 18:45.16 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: i used to get that error before too, but after i pressed OK it used to let me boot into gnome, but today it just brings me back into the debian menu... |
| 18:45.20 | ddfire | yes |
| 18:45.24 | ddfire | nvz, yes |
| 18:45.27 | greycat | ddfire: so put it back. |
| 18:45.32 | nvz | ddfire: then you would have to build the vmware modules again |
| 18:45.33 | spdf | greycat, I paypal'd you $.25 5months ago...remember? :) |
| 18:45.42 | orchid | nvz: dont forget to add hotdogs and stupid bot tricks to the on topic list |
| 18:45.55 | ddfire | nvz, how? re install the soft? |
| 18:45.56 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 why do you beleive the error message has anything to do with your problem? What is the error message when logging in in text mode? What happens when you log in as root? |
| 18:46.12 | paulswm | @win orchid |
| 18:46.12 | nvz | orchid: the topic is for quick info, not so much the actual topic of the channel |
| 18:46.14 | ravenbird | Congratulations, orchid! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 18:46.31 | Phated | orchid: Well, -duh-. :) |
| 18:46.42 | doub | ddfire: there's a vmware-config.pl file lying somewhere near where vmware's installed |
| 18:46.49 | Xemacs_ | well, today, i have seen alot of hot dogs, and not mutch debian |
| 18:46.51 | greycat | orchid: we get some off topic stuff here, but if it gets *way* out of hand, we ask the offenders to stop... |
| 18:46.52 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: Knight_Lord: let me go and try to see if i can log-in as root ;) |
| 18:46.55 | doub | ddfire: it will take care of everything for you |
| 18:46.55 | ddfire | doub, i run it |
| 18:47.05 | zumbi | hello! OT: do you know a signal processing channel ? |
| 18:47.15 | ddfire | doub, and i cant initialice VMmachines |
| 18:47.21 | nvz | ddfire: I have no idea, thats why its off-topic here, because its $400 commercial software thats not in debian.. generally we hang out in #debian because we are debian users |
| 18:47.26 | greycat | zumbi: #math or one of the audio codec channels perhaps |
| 18:47.26 | paulswm | I mean I didn't agree with orchid's implied complaint, I just think that hot dogs and stupid bot lists ought to be added to the topic |
| 18:47.32 | paulswm | tricks |
| 18:47.36 | doub | ddfire: huh? |
| 18:47.51 | nvz | ddfire: telling you the modules need recompiled for the new kernel is as far as we know about it, you need vmware tech support now |
| 18:48.14 | Phated | paulswm: They don't need to be added, yo. |
| 18:48.18 | ddfire | doub, i run it and i cant initialice the vmmachines it said mising /dev/vmmon |
| 18:48.29 | ddfire | nvz, ok thanks |
| 18:48.29 | greycat | ddfire: we don't care. |
| 18:48.34 | doub | ddfire: run the config program |
| 18:48.39 | ddfire | ok thanks all |
| 18:48.44 | fmarostica | :(( I removed and installed against exim-daemon-heavy, but DEBCONFlocaldeliveryDEBCONF not is defined on update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 18:48.58 | greycat | asking #debian to support your proprietary commercial software is asking for abuse... |
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| 18:49.23 | Phated | greycat: And worse? :) |
| 18:49.36 | greycat | which is not necessarily a *bad* thing, because we *like* to abuse :) |
| 18:49.57 | Phated | Of course. |
| 18:49.58 | nvz | relax, it history. until the history channel does a special on #debian lets forget about it .. hehe |
| 18:50.06 | Phated | It's all PerfDave's fault, though. :) |
| 18:50.06 | LinuxNIT- | i need some help with getting my itel pro/wireless card working. i installed the firmware and driver from ipw2200.sf.net but when i modprobe ipw2200 i get this error. http://www.pastebin.com/230046 |
| 18:50.28 | nvz | Phated: he's not even here.. blame it one someone who takes it personally |
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| 18:50.38 | paulswm | nvz: they're already doing one but it's called American Choppers or something |
| 18:50.41 | Phated | nvz: It's all your fault, then. |
| 18:50.47 | greycat | I mean, about the only thing worse than asking for VMware or Oracle support here would be asking for Intel Wireless card support... hey look, there's one now! :) |
| 18:51.03 | nvz | Phated: I was referring to someone who got mad about it earlier, but whatever pulls your wagon |
| 18:51.11 | Phated | Who got mad about it? |
| 18:51.24 | paulswm | like I have this Citrix problem so will all you weiners help me because I like run it on debian |
| 18:51.32 | Knight_Lord | greycat lol |
| 18:51.50 | Phated | paulswm: Dude... If we didn't know you... We would so have flamed yo ass. |
| 18:51.54 | Phated | nvz: Ahhhh. |
| 18:51.57 | greycat | paulswm: it's not very authentic unless you misspell a bunch of the words. |
| 18:52.02 | paulswm | Phated: heh |
| 18:52.15 | greycat | "wiener" -> "weiner" doesn't count :) |
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| 18:52.25 | Phated | paulswm: And you can't capitalise "I" either. |
| 18:52.28 | Phated | It's more like... |
| 18:52.28 | Knight_Lord | LinuxNIT- bad timing |
| 18:52.44 | nvz | wtf, this damn "beyond the da vinci code" crap is _still_ on *exhales deeply* |
| 18:52.47 | paulswm | greycat: actually, I do run Citrix and I did have problems, turned out the server had DOS extneded chars in the scripts, screwed by MS yet again |
| 18:52.50 | Phated | "i gt a cirtix prb will u wenas hlp mi" |
| 18:53.02 | dancek | hey, can you help me? my windows xp doesn't start... |
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| 18:53.04 | dancek | ;) |
| 18:53.08 | greycat | Phated: plus 12 ?s |
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| 18:53.11 | Phated | nvz: Man, that is so bullshit. I mean, the book was vaguely entertaining... But really. |
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| 18:53.14 | Phated | greycat: Oh yes, my bad. |
| 18:53.21 | paulswm | Phated, greycat, you guys are great, very funny |
| 18:53.22 | LinuxNIT- | so i cant get any help here now? |
| 18:53.23 | Phated | "i gt a cirtix prb will u wenas hlp mi?????!?!?!?! lol kthx" |
| 18:53.30 | LSorensen | dancek: That's a good thing |
| 18:53.33 | Phated | paulswm: And some say we're rude. RUDE! :) |
| 18:53.37 | doub | dancek: how come? never seen anything like this before :) |
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| 18:53.45 | Phated | dancek: OK, now we -don't- know you. |
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| 18:54.11 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: i tryed to log-in again, and now it gives me an error "Warning: Unable to read ICE authority file /home/eagle101/.ICEauthority |
| 18:54.14 | paulswm | Phated: can't imagine, I'm shocked, you're always *such* a teddy bear |
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| 18:54.16 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to hot swap SATA with software raid? |
| 18:54.22 | hudson2 | greycat, LSorensen, thx, worked like a charm. |
| 18:54.34 | p30n | a question: how do i add something to roots crontab ? |
| 18:54.35 | Phated | paulswm: Dude, don't make me hit you. It's not nice to get yo ass whupped by a girl. |
| 18:54.35 | nvz | Phated: yeah I never read it. It just amazes me how people make such a big deal over this stuff. I say anyone who looks that hard for faith doesnt have any to begin with, and thus will never find what they are looking for. |
| 18:54.38 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 and did you check the permission of the file? |
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| 18:54.50 | p30n | or, where is the roots crontab? |
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| 18:54.54 | Knight_Lord | Eagle101 you should have some iniciative |
| 18:55.14 | Knight_Lord | p30n crontab -e? |
| 18:55.19 | paulswm | Phated: I dunno, there are circumstances when that might be OK |
| 18:55.21 | Phated | nvz: I have no idea, really. Dan Brown's books are just... thriller-suspense, you know? Some pseudo-intellect, a fair amount of rather solid research, and... a fun read. That's all. :) |
| 18:55.26 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
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| 18:55.43 | netwerk | hello |
| 18:55.47 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: i dont even see that file in /home/eagle101 |
| 18:56.00 | netwerk | can anyone give me apt-get sources to get XOrg? |
| 18:56.11 | orchid | LinuxNIT-: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/faq.php did you see this? some unresoved symbol errors there |
| 18:56.11 | nvz | Phated: if I ever felt the need to be trilled in suspense I would hang upside down off a bridge or something |
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| 18:56.15 | p30n | Knight_Lord: where is the crontab file? |
| 18:56.25 | Phated | nvz: HAHA I'm a wimp. I read. I live vicariously. :) |
| 18:56.38 | Ecoo | Hi |
| 18:56.49 | netwerk | Where i can download XOrg in .deb ? |
| 18:56.52 | LinuxNIT- | no ididnt see that i'll go check it out |
| 18:56.54 | greycat | netwerk: /topic |
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| 18:57.17 | Knight_Lord | p30n maybe the man page knows |
| 18:57.29 | ricky_clarkson | "The file /topic cannot be found. Please check the location and try again." |
| 18:57.34 | p30n | Knight_Lord: maybe u knows and can give me a fast answer |
| 18:57.35 | greycat | p30n: you don't need to know *where* your crontab file is; just how to edit it. |
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| 18:57.41 | ricky_clarkson | p30n: crontab -e |
| 18:57.42 | nvz | Phated: I once upset a girl, well more specifically her mother.. telling her I felt like jumping off a bridge.. apperently she didnt know I did it for fun, and had no intentions of harming myself or anyone else |
| 18:57.45 | jariep1_ | I want to have CGI support in apache. What package do I need to install for CGI support? |
| 18:57.46 | greycat | p30n: man 1 crontab; man 5 crontab |
| 18:57.54 | Phated | nvz: You bungee jump? |
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| 18:58.06 | Knight_Lord | p30n i don't know sorry |
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| 18:58.12 | p30n | ok thank u |
| 18:58.13 | nvz | Phated: nope I just jump.. heh well I used to when I was younger |
| 18:58.27 | Phated | nvz: Darwin spins in his grave as we speak. :) |
| 18:58.29 | greycat | nvz: into water, I hope? |
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| 18:58.38 | Phated | greycat: He's here, ain't he. |
| 18:58.52 | greycat | Phated: well... maybe he hang-glides or something... |
| 18:58.53 | simonrvn | i don't think he'd be talking to us if it was onto rocks ;) |
| 18:58.56 | jariep1_ | what package do I need to install CGI in debian? |
| 18:58.58 | nvz | greycat: well sometimes, the one bridge I jumped from most often cause it was closest was over the highway and railroad |
| 18:59.02 | Phated | Maybe he just has a hard head. |
| 18:59.06 | Knight_Lord | p30n it's just the arrogant bastard style encroaching into me |
| 18:59.06 | greycat | jariep1_: apache |
| 18:59.16 | Phated | From all those years of evolution, his ancestors banging their heads on rocks. |
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| 18:59.19 | jariep1_ | greycat, I already have apache installed |
| 18:59.28 | dancek | :) |
| 18:59.35 | greycat | jariep1_: then edit some file in /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 19:00.00 | nvz | we used to go up in the woods above the valley, and swing out over 100ft cliffs on vines that had entwined themselves in the trees |
| 19:00.18 | gtigene | Where should I go to get general orientation as to how to compile a Linux driver on Debian? |
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| 19:00.27 | nvz | another past time was just surfing down the hills on our sneakers =P |
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| 19:00.31 | greycat | gtigene: use module-assistant in sarge |
| 19:00.45 | greycat | gtigene: you'll need kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and it MUST MATCH your running kernel. |
| 19:00.59 | Phated | paulswm: That's nvz. He's crazy. He also likes fuzzy microbes, now on offer at Thinkgeek. |
| 19:01.04 | nvz | we lived dangerously as kids.. small town america, wasnt shit else to do. |
| 19:01.24 | Phated | AND yet, if I were to shoot you, I would be put in jail. Oh justice... |
| 19:01.30 | nvz | well I lived dangerously, and everyone in town just followed my lead |
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| 19:01.48 | gtigene | greycat, thanks but I think I need more background. I know generally about gcc aand make but don't understand your references to sarge and kernel-headers |
| 19:01.50 | rootmos | hi i would like to keep my ftpserver to try another one. How do i do that with apt? |
| 19:01.51 | Phated | I mean, he spends the time jumping off bridges... |
| 19:02.02 | greycat | you don't know what *sarge* is?? |
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| 19:02.07 | p30n | i can edit my crontab, i cant like make another line or press enter or something |
| 19:02.09 | greycat | and yet you think you're ready to build kernel modules in Debian? |
| 19:02.10 | gtigene | greycat, right. |
| 19:02.12 | p30n | is it locked or something? |
| 19:02.14 | Phated | greycat: Shall I get out the gun? |
| 19:02.23 | Phated | simonrvn: Poor thing. *fluffle* |
| 19:02.25 | nvz | in all the years I only recall one person getting seriously hurt, and she was way too skinny and had no business even riding a bicycle let alone on trails with me. |
| 19:02.27 | Delph | p30n: what are you editing it in? |
| 19:02.34 | Knight_Lord | p30n you are aware you are probably editing with vi |
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| 19:02.46 | p30n | i just typed crontab -e |
| 19:02.50 | Knight_Lord | p30n you can set $EDITOR to your favourite editor |
| 19:02.51 | Phated | nvz: How does skinny affect the fact that she shouldn't have been riding a bike? |
| 19:02.55 | p30n | what should i type, i want to edit in nano |
| 19:02.56 | gtigene | no greycat, I am not saying I am ready. I am saying I want to get ready. I am looking for resources, like for example where I could learn about sarge. |
| 19:03.01 | greycat | p30n: are there a bunch of ~ going down the screen? |
| 19:03.06 | p30n | how do i set editor? |
| 19:03.07 | nvz | Phated: well she broke her collar bone.. if she was fat it wouldnt have happened |
| 19:03.11 | Knight_Lord | p30n you can set $EDITOR to your favourite editor |
| 19:03.14 | p30n | greycat: nope |
| 19:03.15 | Phated | nvz: Really. |
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| 19:03.27 | p30n | Knight_Lord: where do iset editor of choise? |
| 19:03.28 | greycat | p30n: in another window, type "editor --version" |
| 19:03.31 | nvz | Phated: people that skinny have no business doing anything where they might break their fragile bones |
| 19:03.32 | Knight_Lord | p30n export EDITOR nano |
| 19:03.35 | greycat | Knight_Lord: = |
| 19:03.43 | Knight_Lord | p30n export EDITOR=nano |
| 19:03.45 | Phated | nvz: True... |
| 19:03.51 | paulswm | p30n: or you can "crontab -l >file:, edit the file, then "crontab file" |
| 19:03.53 | Knight_Lord | or setenv EDITOR nano is using c style shell |
| 19:03.56 | p30n | in bash ? |
| 19:03.57 | paulswm | s/:/" |
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| 19:04.19 | Phated | paulswm: Missed a trailing slash. |
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| 19:04.33 | paulswm | Phated: yes, here it is: / |
| 19:04.40 | p30n | yes thx |
| 19:04.45 | Knight_Lord | greycat tcsh user |
| 19:04.52 | Phated | paulswm: Tsk. :) |
| 19:05.00 | nvz | after that I started mellowing out. I was hanging with her and her sister, and their friends a lot so I made up activities less dangerous.. like playing croquet on the roof |
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| 19:05.17 | Phated | Could be fun. |
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| 19:05.41 | JOSF | Hi! This is a little off-topic, however, I am in search for a saying, a popular expression, that describes Microsofts strategy to adopt a standard, modify it in a way, that other companies products are incompatible and then take over the market. Or it could be in accordance to MS buying into companies, taking their technology, adopting it to own needs and finally destroying that company. Anyone ? |
| 19:05.46 | paulswm | Phated: a bit sloppy when I'm not actually talking to an editor, well I *thought* I wasn't till you raised a syntax error :) |
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| 19:05.50 | Zefiroth | hi |
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| 19:05.53 | greycat | JOSF: Embrace and Extend |
| 19:06.09 | Phated | paulswm: Hey, this editor's got -human-readable- error messages. |
| 19:06.14 | Zefiroth | how can i play second audio stream in a .ogm with mplayer? |
| 19:06.14 | JOSF | greycat: Thanks :-) |
| 19:06.18 | greycat | Phated: ? |
| 19:06.22 | paulswm | Phated: true |
| 19:06.31 | rafx | hmm, didn't alpha cpu die already? |
| 19:06.34 | greycat | Zefiroth: ask #mplayer |
| 19:06.36 | nvz | Phated: oh, it was very fun, flattop roof, on an angle.. I don't remember how it went but I made up some good games. |
| 19:06.37 | Phated | greycat: Follow my and paulswm's little aside about his trailing slash. |
| 19:06.41 | greycat | !be ed |
| 19:06.42 | dpkg | ? |
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| 19:07.03 | Phated | nvz: Ah, that's cool. I always wanted a flat roof. And like... an actual house. :) |
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| 19:07.06 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 19:07.18 | Eagle101 | Knight_Lord: i fixed it...all i did was rm -rf /home/eagle/.ICEauthority and it worked |
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| 19:07.35 | gtigene | greycat, did I offend you? |
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| 19:07.48 | greycat | gtigene: by not reading the FAQ, yes. |
| 19:07.50 | nvz | Phated: yeah it was actually a garage that belonged to someone else, but I wouldnt have it any other way... I wouldnt dare have those girls doing something that couldnt possibly get them in trouble |
| 19:08.04 | Phated | nvz: Bad girls are fun. :) |
| 19:08.07 | paulswm | nvz: my son, when he was young, got on the roof and jumped off, figuring that if Superman could do it he could. He's now on the Kentucky State SWAT team |
| 19:08.20 | Phated | paulswm: That's pretty cool. |
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| 19:08.28 | gtigene | greycat, sorry I did not read the faq. Are your referring to FAQ for the #debian channel? |
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| 19:08.51 | nvz | Phated: I guess, she wasnt a bad girl, she was just with me.. and didn't know any better. |
| 19:08.56 | paulswm | Phated: not so cool when he really has to shoot, that's a big emotional burden to carry |
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| 19:09.17 | norg | i've installed gnome and all dependencies |
| 19:09.23 | Ikarus | Anyone know what the PDF::API2 function text_fancy was replaced with in new versions (the changelog is mostly lacking for the 0.3 to 0.4 transition) |
| 19:09.27 | Phated | nvz: Haha. |
| 19:09.27 | norg | but how do i startx with gnome |
| 19:09.31 | norg | startx isn't found |
| 19:09.33 | Ikarus | erm |
| 19:09.34 | Ikarus | lol |
| 19:09.36 | Ikarus | wrong chan :) |
| 19:09.43 | Phated | paulswm: Ah, yeah... But the whole law enforcer thing is cool. :) |
| 19:09.43 | greycat | norg: install x-window-system-core |
| 19:09.44 | fatal__ | norg: install x-window-system-core |
| 19:09.47 | fatal__ | :P |
| 19:09.56 | Knight_Lord | fatal__ almost there, just need to practise a bit |
| 19:10.00 | greycat | fatal__: you added those __ just to make our nicks match in length, didn't you :) |
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| 19:10.15 | enric | Hi |
| 19:10.15 | norg | install: too few arguments |
| 19:10.17 | fatal__ | greycat: hehe.. ;) |
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| 19:10.33 | drac | norg? apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 19:10.55 | LinuxNIT- | orchid: i read the faq and did what it said but i still get the same error. do you have any other ideas? |
| 19:10.58 | nvz | Phated: thats why we didn't keep in touch much as we got older.. she was off being responsible, and I was still having fun |
| 19:11.01 | paulswm | Phated: yes, funny really because I was a hippy, now I have 2 sons in law enforecement (the other's a displatcher) and my sisters daughter is a Spokane city cop and married to another one |
| 19:11.04 | Phated | nvz: Ahhh. |
| 19:11.12 | Phated | paulswm: Haha, awesome. |
| 19:11.18 | Phated | greycat: Scary, ain't it. |
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| 19:11.44 | greycat | I mean... how does ANYONE install Debian and manage to find #debian without knowing about apt-get? |
| 19:12.00 | Phated | greycat: YEs, yes... |
| 19:12.01 | Knight_Lord | greycat the misteries of internet |
| 19:12.03 | paulswm | greycat: it's on the website |
| 19:12.09 | greycat | isn't apt-get, like, the most widely recognized REASON why people are drawn to Debiain? |
| 19:12.11 | Phated | greycat: Probably taskseled every fucking thing. |
| 19:12.12 | greycat | s/ain/an/ |
| 19:12.16 | spdf | greycat, tasksel... |
| 19:12.20 | nvz | At one time she was like a sister to me though, I spent many nights in the same room (or tent) with her. But she soon had enough sense to not be as easily ammused as me anymore =P |
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| 19:12.29 | spdf | greycat, "er..uh...desktop system...er..uh..." |
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| 19:12.33 | jahi | hm how do i install a *.deb? |
| 19:12.39 | greycat | !FAQ jahi |
| 19:12.40 | dpkg | jahi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:12.40 | t0mb0y | man dpkg |
| 19:12.40 | enric | apt-get |
| 19:12.45 | norg | i used apt-get to install everything, i like tasksel, but for some reason it wouldn't work when i installed on this computer |
| 19:12.45 | spdf | jahi, dpkg |
| 19:12.51 | jahi | thx |
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| 19:13.03 | Phated | greycat: It's the only reason. IMO. :) |
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| 19:13.25 | greycat | I carefully didn't say it was Debian's best feature... just the one that draws them in. |
| 19:13.28 | paulswm | Phated: well and the great company here of course |
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| 19:13.49 | Phated | paulswm: Hmmmm... That's debatable, although I most certainly didn't consider #debian a rude place. |
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| 19:14.07 | orchid | LinuxNIT-: other than searching the mailing list archive I'm not sure. http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/index.php#links |
| 19:14.17 | LinuxNIT- | ok |
| 19:14.20 | LinuxNIT- | thanks anyway |
| 19:14.23 | Knight_Lord | Phated only some people :-D |
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| 19:14.39 | paulswm | Phated: I've seen times when one could get that impression, if someone popped in and out fairly quickly |
| 19:14.43 | Phated | Knight_Lord: It's their loss. |
| 19:15.09 | Phated | paulswm: Here I take a moment to say... in the most cliched, trite manner, tongue firmly in cheek... "You have to get to know us." |
| 19:15.14 | enric | I don't use debian, but does it use gnome as it default desktop? |
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| 19:15.21 | greycat | enric: no |
| 19:15.24 | paulswm | Phated: I said that to someone earlier, heh |
| 19:15.28 | Phated | paulswm: Hah. |
| 19:15.31 | enric | graycat: what then |
| 19:15.33 | greycat | enric: by default you get a text console login |
| 19:15.36 | Delph | enric: whatever you install. |
| 19:15.38 | Phated | Booyah. |
| 19:15.47 | DotHack | hiya people |
| 19:16.02 | paulswm | Phated: I think you're all right, I don't care what everyone else says :-P |
| 19:16.06 | enric | greycat: the thing I hate of suse is that it is tied to KDE :( well, almost |
| 19:16.09 | nvz | DotHack: hello |
| 19:16.11 | Phated | paulswm: Awww, you sweetie. :) |
| 19:16.25 | Knight_Lord | enric not at all |
| 19:16.31 | Phated | greycat: I know people have said you get both KDE and Gnome. |
| 19:16.44 | greycat | Phated: but which one's dm runs at boot time? |
| 19:16.57 | Phated | greycat: Noooo idea. |
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| 19:17.02 | orchid | you get gdm |
| 19:17.08 | Phated | Oh, that's decent. |
| 19:17.09 | greycat | ok, that's good to know |
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| 19:17.17 | Phated | I'd use gdm if not for the huge deps. |
| 19:17.25 | Phated | But as it were... startx startx all the way. |
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| 19:17.40 | Knight_Lord | They should really get they dependencies fixed, those gnome people |
| 19:17.49 | Phated | Eeehhh? |
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| 19:17.59 | mvhurja | where in debian i can change motd.. that when users loggin wlecome message |
| 19:18.01 | greycat | Knight_Lord: "fixed" implies that they perceive it to be a bug. |
| 19:18.07 | DotHack | /etc/motd |
| 19:18.09 | greycat | mvhurja: editor /etc/motd |
| 19:18.23 | jgw_ | hrm found out my irc problem... corrupt settings |
| 19:18.23 | paulswm | greycat: I did a sarge install on an old box the other week, and, being in a hurry, selected "server" and I got fucking everything, including gnome and kde |
| 19:18.25 | Knight_Lord | greycat or at least implies i perceive it as a bug |
| 19:18.27 | greycat | don't change line 1, though -- it gets overwritten at boot time |
| 19:18.30 | Phated | greycat: $editor... he's going to come back with... "bash: editor: command not found". |
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| 19:18.38 | parazoid | Stupid question: I?ve got an old windows WAV-file that i want to convert to mp3. Which program should i use? |
| 19:18.40 | greycat | Phated: no no... this is a Debian feature. |
| 19:18.44 | jgw_ | several of my files, including my irc config files all happened to have binary data injected into them |
| 19:18.44 | greycat | parazoid: /msg dpkg lame |
| 19:18.50 | Phated | greycat: Seriously? |
| 19:18.54 | jgw_ | guess i wont be using xfs anymore |
| 19:18.55 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Apr 16 2001 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 19:18.59 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Technically it's not a bug, because gnome itself depends on those deps and gdm is a part of gnome. |
| 19:19.03 | Phated | greycat: Ohhh, cool. |
| 19:19.07 | mvhurja | vi /etc/motd ? |
| 19:19.11 | greycat | mvhurja: yes |
| 19:19.12 | parazoid | greycat, ok, cool :) |
| 19:19.13 | Knight_Lord | jgw_ what's wrong with xfs? |
| 19:19.50 | enric | parazoid: lame |
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| 19:20.06 | jgw_ | well, it appeared to boff several of my files in my home dir |
| 19:20.08 | parazoid | enric, ok :) |
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| 19:20.17 | DotHack | who has a via694 chipset? |
| 19:20.17 | Knight_Lord | Are there recent kernels with xfs problems? |
| 19:20.31 | alemao | How could I generate a BINARY keyboard map?! |
| 19:20.31 | Knight_Lord | I'm running some file servers with xfs that's why i'm asking |
| 19:20.45 | jgw_ | it could be a controller issue, too |
| 19:20.55 | jgw_ | my controller is good, but i just installed debian on this machine |
| 19:20.57 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: just google with: xfs ext3 reliability stability |
| 19:21.02 | jgw_ | so it could be anything along that chain |
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| 19:21.20 | jgw_ | but the files definitely werent corrupted until i reinstalled this machine and untar'd my data |
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| 19:21.21 | Knight_Lord | paulswm ext3 is really crappy |
| 19:21.36 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: no, it's *safe* |
| 19:22.07 | Phated | What he said. |
| 19:22.19 | DotHack | jgw_: did you kd5 the tarball? |
| 19:22.21 | DotHack | md5 |
| 19:22.26 | Knight_Lord | paulswm unfortunately too slow for my needs |
| 19:22.26 | Phated | ext3 is... perhaps slower than some, but it has proven extremely reliable. |
| 19:22.34 | jgw_ | no, but i can md5 it |
| 19:22.41 | jgw_ | i still have the data on the old drive |
| 19:22.49 | DotHack | jgw_: ah |
| 19:22.52 | jgw_ | yup, checksums match :( |
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| 19:22.58 | DotHack | jgw_: and the old drive is ok? |
| 19:23.02 | zlost1 | i made a zip device icon on my desktop, and i added a line for it in /etc/fstab. now it mounts the zip device but because im on a mac i have no right click menu to unmount it, and it doesnt respond on the cli. how can i get the right click menu to work on a 1 button mac mouse ? |
| 19:23.08 | jgw_ | yeah works fine, smart status is good |
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| 19:23.11 | Knight_Lord | i heard about the 2.6.7 problems but nothing else |
| 19:23.18 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: That's fine, as long as you have weighed the risks, I'm not trying to proselytize |
| 19:23.19 | zOOz | hi |
| 19:23.33 | jgw_ | prob. a driver issue, i had a similar thing happen with my mythtv box awhile back until i stopped using SATA |
| 19:23.51 | neenee | look long enough and there are people with problems with any filesystem. |
| 19:23.54 | jgw_ | i'll try and do more debugging and report the issue to the responsible parties |
| 19:23.58 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Sheltered, aren't you. :) |
| 19:24.04 | DotHack | so you tarred it and when you untar its corrupt? |
| 19:24.16 | Delph | zlost1: turn on keyboard mouse and use that. |
| 19:24.19 | hp_omnifook_2000 | hello, i'm quite a linux/debian newbie and simply want to know how to change the monitor's bit depth to 16bit in debian sarge, cause i'm using an old crappy notebook with 2 mb video memory (neomagic chipset) and it's so terrible slow in 24bit. |
| 19:24.20 | jgw_ | nah the corruption took place after some point after i untarred |
| 19:24.23 | Delph | or get a real mouse =:) |
| 19:24.25 | akusarujin | anyone know the default port for an sftp server? |
| 19:24.31 | jgw_ | the untarred file was fine, initially |
| 19:24.33 | zOOz | how can i detect, that one allowed user is NATing to not allowed user? |
| 19:24.50 | jgw_ | i know this because screen ran fine with my screenrc when i first reinstalled, and now screenrc is corrupt |
| 19:24.53 | DotHack | jgw_: ah |
| 19:24.59 | WiFiTux | zOOz, a Nat over another NAT? wow, kind of hard... |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | zOOz: #iptables |
| 19:24.59 | jgw_ | fun fun :) |
| 19:25.00 | norg | Xsession: unable to start X session, no .xsession file, no session managers, no window managers, and no terminal emulators found; aborting. |
| 19:25.03 | paulswm | hey Phated I used "proselytize" in a sentence :) |
| 19:25.03 | tomlobato | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.05 | norg | i have gnome installed |
| 19:25.10 | zOOz | WiFiTux: no |
| 19:25.11 | tomlobato | I have to share files securily, and dont know if its better across vpn or ssl ftp |
| 19:25.11 | Phated | paulswm: Where? |
| 19:25.12 | atm | TheAsp/quit |
| 19:25.19 | norg | how do i get gnome to start with xwindow |
| 19:25.24 | greycat | !start gnome |
| 19:25.24 | dpkg | starting gnome is probably echo exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession |
| 19:25.25 | Phated | paulswm: Haha, awesome. You karma whore you. :) |
| 19:25.33 | paulswm | heh |
| 19:25.44 | WiFiTux | zOOz, a user who you control, is NATing to another user? it will be hard to know if you don't use username authentication. |
| 19:25.52 | Knight_Lord | paulswm i still have to google that |
| 19:25.52 | Phated | Finalleh, someone who can give me a run for my karma. :) |
| 19:26.02 | zOOz | one user takes internet from server and NATing to another (not allowed) user. how to detect it? |
| 19:26.18 | greycat | zOOz: we can't even *parse* your question. Try #iptables. |
| 19:26.25 | Phated | Knight_Lord: apt-get install dict dictd <selected dictionaries> |
| 19:26.30 | zOOz | greycat: thanks |
| 19:26.44 | Knight_Lord | Phated yea i know thanks |
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| 19:26.48 | Phated | Knight_Lord: :) |
| 19:27.00 | hp_omnifook_2000 | are there probably some x-server config files which i have to edit to change my bit depth? |
| 19:27.04 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: I was thinking of using xfs, but on researching decided to stick with ext3, I have donw some power-off-tests-while-writing with ext3 and it didn't break. Actually, to be fair, XP's NTFS didn't break either |
| 19:27.08 | zlost1 | ok i turned on the kb mouse and tried and "5" should be the right click...nothing |
| 19:27.18 | greycat | hp_omnifook_2000: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or just plain ol' "start -- -depth 16" |
| 19:27.25 | Phated | Actually... 5 is left-click, isn't it. |
| 19:27.26 | greycat | err "startx" not "start" |
| 19:27.45 | Knight_Lord | paulswm i'm using UPS, i also have raid cards with cache on them and i can't just power down like that |
| 19:27.53 | hp_omnifook_2000 | thx |
| 19:27.56 | norg | hmm |
| 19:27.59 | DotHack | paulswm: i have machines running with ext3 that get powered each day ( lik pull the plug out of it) for months now |
| 19:28.08 | Knight_Lord | paulswm so i don't know about power loss problems |
| 19:28.20 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: just passing on my experience in case it's of some use |
| 19:28.24 | norg | xf86openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device |
| 19:28.32 | greycat | norg: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 19:28.32 | norg | generic mouse cannot open input device |
| 19:28.34 | Delph | still doesn't help you with your memory cache; so its not something to worry about. |
| 19:28.49 | norg | and i just was able to move it on the screen for the brief second while x was starting |
| 19:29.20 | greycat | norg: uh... you got the *X* mouse pointer to move? Or are you running gpm and you got the *text console* mouse pointer to move? |
| 19:29.33 | Knight_Lord | paulswm if i power down the machine the raid cache won't get written so xfs is the least of my problems. But overall xfs has been working well on my disk servers which do quite some intense job. Each one holding 3TB of data |
| 19:29.36 | parazoid | greycat, you recommended me 'Lame' just before, but i would like something with a GUI :9 |
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| 19:29.51 | greycat | parazoid: why do you need a GUI to encode *ONE* stinkin' .wav file? |
| 19:29.53 | Phated | parazoid: Dude... Really... |
| 19:29.54 | Knight_Lord | kids these days, GUIs... |
| 19:30.07 | greycat | C'mon, "lame foobar.wav" is not going to kill you. |
| 19:30.08 | norg | greycat: the x mousepointer |
| 19:30.11 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Mind yo mouth. Plenty of kids here who like the CLI. |
| 19:30.11 | norg | no gpm |
| 19:30.28 | Knight_Lord | Phated trolling... |
| 19:30.40 | Phated | Knight_Lord: No, completely serious. |
| 19:30.46 | greycat | Knight_Lord: talkin' 'bout her generation... |
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| 19:31.08 | Phated | Oh yeah, uh-huh, oh yeah, uh-huh... |
| 19:31.17 | Knight_Lord | Phated i was going to continue with "in the old days" and "in the snow up hill both ways" but i thought it was better to stop |
| 19:31.32 | Phated | Knight_Lord: In the old days... The trolls were worse. |
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| 19:32.00 | Knight_Lord | Phated so you have faith in the improvement of society? |
| 19:32.09 | paulswm | Phated: yeah, they used to hide under bridges and eat people, now they just hang out on IRC |
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| 19:32.26 | Phated | Knight_Lord: No, just in the beginning of a new year. By May, I promise you, you'll see the cussing begin in earnest. |
| 19:32.26 | Knight_Lord | paulswm you got a point there |
| 19:32.39 | Phated | paulswm: Well... At least I know I'm physically safe... |
| 19:32.53 | rootmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.54 | norg | ok what's really strange is when i'm root x starts and i can use the mouse just fine |
| 19:32.59 | norg | but it gives that error |
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| 19:33.06 | Knight_Lord | Phated i would watch out for the cdrom door.... |
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| 19:33.22 | norg | then i switched to myself and put gnome-session in .xsession and now it crashes because of the mouse |
| 19:33.24 | Phated | Knight_Lord: My CDROM door ain't gonna do no shit to me. |
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| 19:33.46 | Knight_Lord | Phated whatever you say... |
| 19:33.51 | Phated | Knight_Lord: :) |
| 19:33.59 | Knight_Lord | :-) |
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| 19:34.35 | Knight_Lord | and don't get me started with speaker volume |
| 19:34.37 | BlackJudas | Hrrm is xserver-xfree86 borked? |
| 19:34.43 | Phated | Nope. |
| 19:35.02 | starshine | BlackJudas: works fine for me, care to be less specific? |
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| 19:35.10 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 19:35.20 | DotHack | does anyone know why cdrecord break with memory leaks and stuff in kernel 2..8 |
| 19:35.36 | BlackJudas | Heh, it only seems to be affecting my 64bit box. So I'm not sure if it applies here, though it's debian all the same. |
| 19:35.43 | Knight_Lord | starshine i hope that wasn't a more(1)/less(1) pun |
| 19:35.53 | greycat | DotHack: run 2.4.x or 2.6.7 or 2.6.9. |
| 19:35.57 | Phated | Knight_Lord: That was sarcasm. :) |
| 19:36.00 | greycat | 2.6.8 is a Broken Kernel. Avoid. |
| 19:36.14 | Knight_Lord | Phated hey, still learning |
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| 19:36.30 | Phated | Knight_Lord: No worries. We all take some time. :) |
| 19:36.32 | DotHack | 2.6.8 isnt in sarge yet? |
| 19:36.33 | greycat | BlackJudas: bugs.debian.org/xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:36.42 | BlackJudas | starshine, seems lib linking is effed, though I can't seem to find out what the actual problem is, it refuses to load glx (nvidia), then it refuses to use nv. |
| 19:36.43 | DotHack | .9 |
| 19:36.50 | greycat | !depends kernel-image-2.6-386 sarge |
| 19:36.51 | Knight_Lord | greycat Linux hirst.bmc.uu.se 2.6.8-1-386 oops |
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| 19:36.56 | starshine | Knight_Lord: of course not, we'd need to be on the same page first |
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| 19:37.06 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-386: depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 19:37.08 | greycat | Knight_Lord: granted, Debian's 2.6.8 is really upstream 2.6.8.1 with more patches, so who knows.... |
| 19:37.13 | greycat | hmm. |
| 19:37.20 | greycat | !depends kernel-image-2.6-386 sid |
| 19:37.23 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-386: depends on kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 19:37.28 | greycat | hmm2. |
| 19:37.32 | BlackJudas | greycat, yeah, I've checked, seems only one bug reported for an arch that's unrelated. Though... hmm it's the same symptom. |
| 19:37.39 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: you'll need to brush up on bad language and snotty attitude (j/k) |
| 19:37.55 | Knight_Lord | paulswm i'll do my best |
| 19:38.04 | uncleben | Hey, folks. I'm having trouble with the smbldap-populate script from the smbldap-tools package in Sarge while trying to set up a Samba PDC. Getting 'Bad file descriptor' errors. Anybody have any experience with this, or with setting up Samba PDCs with LDAP backends? |
| 19:38.04 | Phated | Dude, don't encourage hime. :) |
| 19:38.05 | Knight_Lord | (bastard...) |
| 19:38.07 | Phated | him. |
| 19:38.10 | starshine | BlackJudas: you cannot mix nv (the opensource nvidia driver) with parts from the nvidia proprietary. contrary to experience in most other apps, nvidia's stuff has good docs on exactly how to lace it in. |
| 19:38.23 | norg | ugh i can never get the mouse to work |
| 19:38.31 | BlackJudas | starshine, I'm aware thanks. |
| 19:38.39 | Knight_Lord | greycat 2.6.8-1 has been working ok, but of course i need only a very small number of features (no X) |
| 19:38.42 | Ikarus | starshine: except you it doesn't use the standard kernel api, making kernel hacking impossible |
| 19:38.45 | starshine | BlackJudas: or you could actually use the package in debian to merge nvidia.. |
| 19:38.55 | Phated | paulswm: As far as snotty attitude though, I was mildly amused by that fellow earlier who made a remark about "people using Linux all their lives". As I've only used it for four months. :) |
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| 19:39.19 | DotHack | my cd bunring is just drama in 2.6.8 |
| 19:39.25 | Knight_Lord | Phated meaning you're 4 months old? |
| 19:39.33 | Phated | Tragedy or comedy, DotHack? |
| 19:39.34 | Knight_Lord | (ok i admit this one was too bad) |
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| 19:39.37 | nvz | Phated: you've been here longer than that it seems |
| 19:39.40 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Dude... :) |
| 19:39.47 | cheex | hi guys. I'm having a problem with the sarge net-installer. it hangs while trying to load the "floppy" module. This computer has no floppy drive. is there any way to turn this off or otherwise fix the problem? |
| 19:39.49 | paulswm | Phated: yeah, especially as if you've used Linux all your life you'd have to be like 12 now |
| 19:39.50 | pdqbach | Hello! Has anyone had success with using WUSB11 v2.6 with Debian? |
| 19:39.57 | starshine | Phated: yeah, babies in 1991 must have been really smart. |
| 19:39.59 | BlackJudas | starshine, yeah and I've gone through their docs top to bottom, checked every symlink, ldd'd a bunch of stuff, re-ran ldconfig. Re-compiled, tried a different kernel (the one prior), tried the free nv drivers as well as nvidia's. Still no go. But the 64bit arch is totally different (well not really, but it seperates 64bitness from 32bitness). |
| 19:40.01 | Phated | nvz: Yeah, I joined near the end of may. |
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| 19:40.10 | Phated | starshine: I was born '88. :) |
| 19:40.15 | Phated | nvz: Er, s/may/june/ |
| 19:40.15 | DotHack | Phated: Tragedy |
| 19:40.28 | paulswm | what the heck's a bunring? |
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| 19:40.33 | Phated | nvz: Didn't actually get around to installing it seriously until September. |
| 19:40.34 | paulswm | oh never mind |
| 19:40.37 | Phated | Or using it fulltime. |
| 19:40.43 | Phated | DotHack: Ouch. |
| 19:40.44 | DotHack | paulswm: burning |
| 19:40.48 | Phated | greycat: Man... YOU OLD! |
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| 19:40.56 | Phated | Sorry, sorreeee... I had too... |
| 19:40.59 | zlost1 | ok i turned on the kb mouse and tried and "5" should be the right click...nothing |
| 19:41.05 | Knight_Lord | Phated then you started to use debian more or less at the same age as me |
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| 19:41.17 | paulswm | DotHack: I know, just fooling, it sounded like it might actually be something :) |
| 19:41.18 | Phated | Knight_Lord: I did, eh. How old were you when you did? |
| 19:41.38 | zlost1 | is there anything like ziptools for x |
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| 19:41.41 | DotHack | HEHE |
| 19:41.41 | Knight_Lord | Phated around between 16 and 17 |
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| 19:41.50 | Knight_Lord | s/around/ |
| 19:41.52 | starshine | Phated: and that theoretical baby got a gui just in time to start teething on it, which might explain a lot about X. |
| 19:42.09 | Knight_Lord | paulswm i never got the chance to be admited :-( |
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| 19:42.10 | Phated | Knight_Lord: I started sooner, I started sooner... About a week before 16th birthday. :) |
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| 19:42.14 | Phated | starshine: Haha. |
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| 19:42.42 | Phated | Mind, I actually used RH for a couple of weeks in March... Then I had to study... |
| 19:43.01 | Knight_Lord | Phated i also had used Corel Linux before |
| 19:43.12 | cheex | anybody know about problems with the floppy module in the sarge net installer? |
| 19:43.28 | Knight_Lord | paulswm (as you can see i clearly never went to gramar school) |
| 19:43.31 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Never used Corel. How was it? |
| 19:43.35 | paulswm | I used Unix a lot over the years (decades), but never used any Linux distro apart from debian |
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| 19:43.48 | starshine | Phated: Corel Linux was quite decent actually |
| 19:43.49 | Phated | Knight_Lord: And you know, what they call grammar school is actually like... elementary schoolish. |
| 19:43.55 | Phated | starshine: Cool. |
| 19:44.18 | Phated | I -tried- installing Mdk, but... I don't see how anyone considered that a better installer than woody's. |
| 19:44.20 | Knight_Lord | Phated one more evidence... |
| 19:44.26 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: funny, my English master would have given you a withering stare |
| 19:44.26 | Phated | Heck, even slink's install was better. |
| 19:44.36 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Nah, it's just a Brit term. :) |
| 19:44.45 | Phated | paulswm: Did you grow up in Britland, then? |
| 19:44.52 | zlost1 | this might sounf\d dumb but if im running knoppix, does it update from debian sources when using apt-get ? |
| 19:44.59 | Phated | zlost1: Nope. |
| 19:45.00 | starshine | Phated: mdk's installer either works excellently or should be fled and then shot like a rampaging elephant |
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| 19:45.04 | Knight_Lord | Phated it also had deb packages, but to be honest at the time i was completly ignorant of everything |
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| 19:45.26 | Phated | starshine: Well... I tried it twice. As in install, reboot, fail, reinstall, reboot, fail. So. :) |
| 19:45.37 | zlost1 | so it updates from knoppix source ? |
| 19:45.40 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Ahh. Well at least it had deb. |
| 19:45.42 | BartVB | Does anyone know how I compile a kernel without having to do _everything_ again? For instance when I forgot a driver or changed only one file? At the moment I'm using make-kpkg but that first runs 'make clean' after which everything gets compiled again :\ |
| 19:45.54 | Phated | zlost1: Why not look in sources.list and see for yourself? :) |
| 19:45.56 | Knight_Lord | Phated but no apt |
| 19:46.02 | greycat | !lose BartVB |
| 19:46.03 | dpkg | BartVB: You Lose. |
| 19:46.03 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Ahhh. |
| 19:46.05 | uk-male | how can i get a list of installed packages without using dselect? |
| 19:46.13 | greycat | !FAQ uk-male |
| 19:46.14 | dpkg | uk-male: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:46.14 | zlost1 | that would be too inteligent |
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| 19:46.15 | starshine | Phated: you tried it twice when it hated your hardware the firsttime? hardcore. |
| 19:46.18 | ricky_clarkson | uk-male: dpkg -l |
| 19:46.19 | zlost1 | :() |
| 19:46.24 | BartVB | :? |
| 19:46.28 | paulswm | Phated: Actually I went to a boarding grammar school and then a boarding public school in the UK (public means a different thing here in the US) and lived in Malaya before I was 11 and all school holidays |
| 19:46.31 | Knight_Lord | Phated i also didn't have an internet connection so apt wouldn't be very usefull |
| 19:46.33 | Eagle101 | help. does anyone have an apt-get repository that has X.org in it??? |
| 19:46.38 | ricky_clarkson | Eagle101: /topic |
| 19:46.39 | greycat | Eagle101: /topic |
| 19:46.40 | nvz | Phated: personally I have been using linux almost 5 years, debian for about 4 now... I feel cheated to have used Microsoft Dos and Windows all those years.. I wish I would have known about this sooner |
| 19:46.41 | Phated | starshine: It didn't hate my hardware. It was ugly but workable. I figured it was pebkac. I tried again. I gave up. :) |
| 19:46.45 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Oh, right. |
| 19:47.02 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Definitely pebkac. |
| 19:47.03 | BartVB | !win BartVB |
| 19:47.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, BartVB! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:47.06 | Phated | paulswm: Oh, cool. So you're technically from around here as well. Visit sometime, we'll get coffee! :) |
| 19:47.10 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Well, yeah. |
| 19:47.17 | Phated | nvz: Heh. |
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| 19:47.28 | BartVB | cool. Anyway. Isn't it possible to do a partial kernel compile or don't you know the answer :? |
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| 19:47.32 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Get your coat, you've pulled. |
| 19:47.44 | Knight_Lord | I actually was pressed to install linux when i was trying to find a good C++ compiler to learn C++ |
| 19:47.45 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 19:47.49 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: This -is- Mdk's installer. Woody's one was perfect. |
| 19:47.50 | jgw_ | bartvb: yes its possible, but partial in what way? |
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| 19:48.02 | paulswm | Phated: I would have visited before, but my spouse is frail and not up to it |
| 19:48.03 | karsten | nvz: Learn to love the one you're with ;-) |
| 19:48.04 | jgw_ | knight: Borland Turbo C++ > * |
| 19:48.06 | BartVB | jgw_: only compiling the files that I changed/patches |
| 19:48.16 | ricky_clarkson | Knight_Lord: gcc on Cygwin or mingw. |
| 19:48.20 | Phated | paulswm: Yeah don't believe him. According to asuffield I "flirt with anything that squeaks". :) |
| 19:48.20 | Knight_Lord | BartVB what do you mean by partially? Starting from an already built tree and change some options |
| 19:48.21 | nvz | karsten: yeah right. |
| 19:48.21 | jgw_ | bartvb: if you have to ask, dont bother, just do a full recompile |
| 19:48.29 | Phated | paulswm: Ahh, that sucks. |
| 19:48.30 | BartVB | Knight_Lord: indeed :) |
| 19:48.32 | moshii | When I put my laptop into sleep(acpi S3) it comes back but I have to switch between virtual terminals to get the display back, anyone know how to fix this? |
| 19:48.35 | Knight_Lord | ricky_clarkson no mingw at the time and i don't remember cygwin |
| 19:48.41 | jgw_ | bartvb: and i dont mean that condescendingly |
| 19:48.51 | Plethoris | how can i move data on a ext3 and reiserfs over to an ntfs partition? |
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| 19:49.10 | Knight_Lord | BartVB sure that's what makefiles are all about |
| 19:49.14 | Knight_Lord | jgw_ i tried that one first, and it was quite ok but windows shell was horrible |
| 19:49.18 | greycat | Plethoris: put the two disks in two different machines. Run Windows on the NTFS one, Linux on the reiserfs one. Share the data via SMB. |
| 19:49.22 | paulswm | Phated: but if things change, I'll buy you an Anchor (or Tiger) |
| 19:49.25 | Knight_Lord | jgw_ i also tried djpgg |
| 19:49.27 | jgw_ | knight: true that |
| 19:49.31 | ricky_clarkson | Knight_Lord: There is bash for Windows. |
| 19:49.41 | jgw_ | cygwin works well |
| 19:49.44 | Phated | paulswm: Definitely Tiger, man... This is .sg! But I'm underage at the mo. :) |
| 19:49.45 | karsten | moshii: IIRC if you're using the normal power management, it switches your display to console at sleep. Possibly add a 'chvt 7' on the wake script. |
| 19:49.48 | Knight_Lord | ricky_clarkson i wasn't aware |
| 19:50.00 | Knight_Lord | ricky_clarkson (i had never used bash at the time either) |
| 19:50.01 | karsten | Knight_Lord: http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 19:50.12 | jgw_ | knight: you could just use cygwin, as bash itself does nothing for you without accompanying utils |
| 19:50.13 | Phated | paulswm: You know their new slogan for the Tiger Cup? "Behind every Lion is a Tiger". |
| 19:50.16 | greycat | the good thing about underage women is that they don't stay that way. |
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| 19:50.20 | karsten | moshii: That could be dated information though, I don't use sleep. |
| 19:50.23 | HiSPeed | hi hi |
| 19:50.24 | Plethoris | greycat, i think this will be my best option without damageing anything |
| 19:50.25 | Phated | greycat: Heh. |
| 19:50.25 | Knight_Lord | karsten i know about cygwin i am talking about 7 years ago |
| 19:50.31 | zlost1 | interesting this sources.list has both debian and knoppix sources listed |
| 19:50.36 | pipeline | Plethoris: Alternatively, install colinux on the Windows install. |
| 19:50.38 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Yes, I have my eye on a few 12-year-olds. j/k |
| 19:50.45 | starshine | karsten: fancy seeing you here |
| 19:50.47 | pipeline | Plethoris: A third option is installing MS SFU and using NFS+NIS |
| 19:50.48 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I've heard about you brits... |
| 19:50.49 | karsten | Knight_Lord: OK. |
| 19:50.51 | moshii | karsten: ah cool, I'm hacking my own script up to do it, this is the last milestone :) |
| 19:50.52 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Hey, it's only four years... |
| 19:50.55 | HiSPeed | a quickie: has timidity been accidentally cancelled as a package from the apt tree or is this yet another error ? :) |
| 19:50.55 | karsten | starshine: Likewise. |
| 19:50.57 | HiSPeed | +just |
| 19:51.02 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: We've got a lower age of consent than you, iirc (16). |
| 19:51.15 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: ours varies by state but is almost always 16-18 |
| 19:51.16 | karsten | starshine: /msg? |
| 19:51.24 | Plethoris | what is colinux? |
| 19:51.24 | pipeline | Knight_Lord: Cygwin was pretty damn good seven years ago. |
| 19:51.24 | ricky_clarkson | !info timidity |
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| 19:51.31 | dpkg | timidity: (Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player)), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.13.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 520 kB, Installed size: 1556 kB |
| 19:51.36 | Phated | Oh yeah, the fuckers in the government have raised the driving age to 21... |
| 19:51.37 | ricky_clarkson | Seems to be there. |
| 19:51.41 | HiSPeed | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.41 | Knight_Lord | pipeline the fact that i didn'thave internet was also a problem |
| 19:51.44 | HiSPeed | ;) |
| 19:51.45 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Just in time, eh? |
| 19:51.49 | pipeline | Plethoris: It's a method of running a Linux kernel as a user-space process on NT. |
| 19:51.49 | HiSPeed | started two days ago |
| 19:51.50 | moshii | the power button wakes the laptop but also tells acpid to shut the machine down just after resuming, working that out was fun ;) |
| 19:51.56 | Phated | HiSPeed: That's libflac4 that's the problem, not timidity. |
| 19:51.58 | HiSPeed | same for udev that got fucked up all the way.. again |
| 19:52.01 | pipeline | Phated: Thank god! Where do you live, it's clearly a bastion of sanity |
| 19:52.01 | EdibleText | Phated, which govt.? |
| 19:52.03 | HiSPeed | i finally got rid of udev for good |
| 19:52.10 | greycat | !congratulate HiSPeed |
| 19:52.11 | dpkg | Good show HiSPeed, you did it! |
| 19:52.14 | jgw_ | colinux? does it really run entirely in NT user mode? |
| 19:52.21 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Yeah... And they -had- to make it applicable only to those born '88 and after... Fuckers. |
| 19:52.22 | HiSPeed | hey you forced me to configure it in dec ;) |
| 19:52.24 | Phated | EdibleText: Mine. |
| 19:52.25 | pipeline | jgw_: I have no idea, actually. |
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| 19:52.30 | Phated | pipeline: .sg. |
| 19:52.30 | HiSPeed | yo greycat ;) |
| 19:52.45 | BartVB | Hmm, just found Documentation/kbuild/makefiles.txt Helpful :) Thanks :D |
| 19:52.58 | Phated | pipeline: And you know... It -isn't- a bastion of sanity. age of consent is still 16. |
| 19:52.58 | HiSPeed | Phated, well yeah.. timidity source of debian doesnt work with any of the libflac headers too ;) |
| 19:52.59 | nvz | karsten: serenity, isnt my style |
| 19:52.59 | paulswm | Phated: was away, good slogan |
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| 19:53.12 | akusarujin | are there any _visual_ sftp clients available by chance? i'm trying to find one for a friend.. |
| 19:53.13 | zlost1 | is there a cli ppp utility ? |
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| 19:53.29 | nvz | nvz says you don't want to waste you life, now darlin.. change change change |
| 19:53.32 | karsten | nvz: Yeah, but imagine all these poor kids who got started computing with linux and never realized how good they've got it. |
| 19:53.32 | Phated | paulswm: Yeah. Conjures images of Tiger in the water fountains in the locker rooms though. I don't want no drunken Lions playing for us. :) |
| 19:53.34 | HiSPeed | Phated, in any case libflac6 (which is the one that got updated thus no libflac4 any more) was the reason that fucked up timidity |
| 19:53.34 | HiSPeed | ;) |
| 19:53.37 | pipeline | Phated: Eh, 16 isn't so bad. I suppose 18 would be better, but take what you can get, you know? Pressing for 16 would piss off an awful lot of wealthy, dirty old men. |
| 19:53.37 | Knight_Lord | Phated and what's wrong with that? |
| 19:53.45 | Phated | HiSPeed: It replaced it. |
| 19:53.50 | Phated | Knight_Lord: What's wrong with what? |
| 19:53.53 | Knight_Lord | 16 |
| 19:53.53 | HiSPeed | Phated, apparently not to 100% |
| 19:54.08 | paulswm | Phated: when Lee Kwan Yu first came to power, saying "fuckers in the government" would have brought you a *lot* of attention |
| 19:54.10 | Phated | HiSPeed: Yeah, probably something messed up for a bit. It'll work out. |
| 19:54.23 | Phated | paulswm: I agree. But I will admit that he is a good good man. |
| 19:54.26 | HiSPeed | Phated, well my sid got messed up a lot since december.. 9 times |
| 19:54.33 | HiSPeed | (compared to 0 times in the years before that) |
| 19:54.34 | HiSPeed | ;) |
| 19:54.37 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Nothing. Only... driving at 21, but sex at 16? :) |
| 19:54.40 | nvz | karsten: true. but someone like me who tried so hard to learn and change windows to allow me to learn.. I could have gotten so much further if I had just started with linux. |
| 19:54.45 | Phated | HiSPeed: Install apt-listbugs, man. :) |
| 19:54.51 | Phated | pipeline: True, |
| 19:54.52 | paulswm | Phated: yes, it all turned out much better than we had feared when he started |
| 19:54.54 | HiSPeed | Phated, why not gentoo? ;) |
| 19:55.03 | nvz | in windows I felt I had to pirate software and other illegal stuff just to get by |
| 19:55.04 | Knight_Lord | Phated sex can be perfectly safe, but driving is always risky |
| 19:55.10 | Phated | paulswm: He did a great job, from all accounts, and I like the man. |
| 19:55.16 | pipeline | Phated: Sex doesn't require a whole lot of mental acuity or development. You're sort of born with the equipment. |
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| 19:55.25 | Knight_Lord | Phated and you usually endanger more people when driving |
| 19:55.34 | greycat | pipeline: doing it *well*, on the other hand... |
| 19:55.35 | pipeline | Phated: Besides, it's traditional in many ethnic groups to get married long before age 21 |
| 19:55.35 | Phated | Knight_Lord: *shrugs* Seems to be. According to reports, uni students here don't know how to have sex. :/ Sad but true. |
| 19:55.44 | Knight_Lord | pipeline not quite born but it develops naturally :D |
| 19:55.45 | Phated | pipeline: Indeed. |
| 19:55.50 | HiSPeed | pipeline, but you dont get the knowledge on how to use it properyl.. well not genetically anyhow |
| 19:55.51 | greycat | Phated: literally do not know? |
| 19:55.54 | Ikarus | Phated: hehe, not surprised |
| 19:55.55 | pipeline | greycat: Yeah, but when you have bad sex, people don't end up dead. |
| 19:55.55 | karsten | nvz: Multiple platform exposure's good. I've got six or seven under my belt, depending on how you count, more. |
| 19:55.57 | paulswm | Phated: Agreed. |
| 19:56.03 | greycat | pipeline: *cough* AIDS |
| 19:56.04 | Whitehawke | pardon me...where do I find out the filepath to which a package installed an executable? I'm trying to downgrade from Apache 2.0 to 1.3.33 on a Sarge installation. I did apt-get remove apache2, apt-get install apache. It seems to have worked, installed the right version, but now I can't locate the actual httpd executable. |
| 19:56.06 | HiSPeed | pipeline, it depends ;) |
| 19:56.23 | greycat | !find sbin/apache$ sarge |
| 19:56.23 | jkarns | Q: is it true that current vers of bittorrent still suffer from problems of currupting the DL'd files (like iso's)? |
| 19:56.26 | pipeline | nvz: It's not as bad as it used to be. There have been numerous ports of open source software in recent years. |
| 19:56.28 | Phated | greycat: As in will stop as soon as the girl feels pain, and have no clue about the hymen bit and -then- wonder why she isn't pregnant. Sad? Tes. |
| 19:56.37 | FieldySnuts | jkarns: never seen that |
| 19:56.42 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 19:56.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/apache' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apache) in web/apache. |
| 19:56.45 | greycat | Phated: still pretty bad. |
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| 19:56.49 | Phated | Ikarus: Still damn sad. |
| 19:56.49 | pipeline | nvz: Ironic that the platform became immensely more useful as I abandoned it. |
| 19:56.52 | Phated | greycat: Yeah, I know. |
| 19:56.53 | nvz | pipeline: I know I just removed my Win XP Pro hd.. |
| 19:56.53 | greycat | Whitehawke: see what dpkg just said. |
| 19:57.09 | Phated | greycat: And we get like sex ed and all that shit in school... You'd -think-... |
| 19:57.17 | jkarns | I tried DL'ing 1st 4 sarge install iso's. At least 1 was corrupted. |
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| 19:57.23 | Knight_Lord | Phated wondering why she isn't pregnant is so much better than wondering why she is pregnant |
| 19:57.24 | nvz | pipeline: its still the same afaic.. I cant just know what I want and apt-get install it.. it becomes more of a problem every time I need to do something |
| 19:57.32 | Phated | And these are -uni- students... Isn't that a bloody haven of sex? |
| 19:57.36 | Phated | Knight_Lord: These are MARRIED. |
| 19:57.37 | pipeline | nvz: NetBSD pkgsrc has been ported to interix. |
| 19:57.38 | karsten | Whitehawke: dpkg -L <package> lists all files. |
| 19:57.39 | HiSPeed | hm let s add a "totally fucks up handling of pseudo terminals in /dev/pts/" to udev ;) |
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| 19:57.46 | FieldySnuts | jkarns: i'd be blaming whoever's hosting it first, not bittorrent. garbage in, get garbage out |
| 19:57.49 | Knight_Lord | Phated still i mantain what i said |
| 19:57.56 | moshii | karsten: chvt 1 then chvt 7 brings the display back, cheers :D |
| 19:57.58 | pipeline | nvz: The real problem is that there's no free software lisp implementation for NT. That's what originally drove me off of it |
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| 19:58.09 | jkarns | About a week ago, I read somewhere on the 'net that there was a bittorrent version w/ corruption probs |
| 19:58.10 | karsten | moshii: Cool. |
| 19:58.13 | Phated | Knight_Lord: True. But when you're married and having sex for the sake of having children... It's kind of sad to be that clueless. |
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| 19:58.22 | jkarns | FieldySnuts, like debian.org? |
| 19:58.27 | pipeline | jkarns: Only if you use a really lousy BT client. Get java, install Azureus. |
| 19:58.28 | lowv | {offtopic maybe sorry} hey does anyone know of a util that can so rs232(serial) communication over the lpt port ? I need the rs232 protocol (115 kBaud, 8 databits, no parity, 1 stopbit) on cmos logic (the parport has this the serial port of a pc operates from -12 to +12) |
| 19:58.33 | Phated | Does debian.org have torrents? |
| 19:58.33 | Knight_Lord | Phated yes it's an impressive level of ignorance |
| 19:58.40 | FieldySnuts | jkarns: junk happens, try to notify somebody (no I don't know who) |
| 19:58.41 | karsten | moshii: Put that in your restore script (I don't recall the specifics). I'd also have a short (1-2 second) sleep between 'em to allow the vidcard to settle. |
| 19:58.45 | Phated | Knight_Lord: s/impressive/pathetic/, but yes. |
| 19:58.48 | starshine | lowv: apt-get install minicom |
| 19:58.54 | Phated | nvz: This is a scientific discussion. :) |
| 19:59.08 | Phated | All right... I'm officially talking to too many people at once. :) |
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| 19:59.11 | pipeline | lowv: In theory you could use any program that normally uses the serial port, and just point it to the parallel device. In practice, I'm not sure. |
| 19:59.12 | starshine | lowv: then tell it lpt and see if it works? |
| 19:59.17 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.18 | bucky | jkarns, why aren't you doing a net install like everyone else |
| 19:59.22 | asuffield | Phated: educating people that dim so that they can have children is irresponsible at best :P |
| 19:59.23 | greycat | on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:59.27 | paulswm | nvz: if you're not getting laid, then that's prolly why |
| 19:59.29 | starshine | jkarns: hi |
| 19:59.33 | asuffield | the world is better off for their ignorance. such people should not reproduce |
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| 19:59.33 | jkarns | It's a big mystery to me why they don't include md5sums for the iso's on the debian mirrors |
| 19:59.44 | Phated | asuffield: Well... -true-. :) |
| 19:59.49 | jkarns | Hi starshine, how's things? |
| 19:59.52 | pipeline | jkarns: Uh, they do, don't they? |
| 19:59.54 | Phated | greycat: Cool. |
| 20:00.04 | starshine | jkarns: incomplete as usual |
| 20:00.04 | greycat | apparently they only have torrents of the full 650-700 MB ISOs, not the net install |
| 20:00.06 | lowv | starshine how whould i specify what i/o pins on the parport whould be tx / rx etc ? |
| 20:00.09 | Phated | paulswm: Haha. |
| 20:00.11 | moshii | karsten: yeah, seems a bit dozey when it comes back ^^ |
| 20:00.13 | bucky | jkarns, they are there |
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| 20:00.14 | jkarns | pipeline, if they do, I'm blind |
| 20:00.45 | jkarns | I lost 3 or 4 days, cuz I assumed that my DL'd iso's were good |
| 20:00.54 | karsten | moshii: sleep works by saving memory to disk. Things are a bit slow starting up right away, you're reading a lot of data. |
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| 20:01.02 | bucky | jkarns, it's a big mystery to me why people insist on sucking up all the bandwidth from debian mirrors when all they have to do is a net install |
| 20:01.09 | moshii | karsten: I did think it was crashing on resume, turns out acpid caught the power button event and was shutting it down |
| 20:01.11 | Knight_Lord | jkarns at least some mirrors have md5 |
| 20:01.21 | bucky | jkarns, they just upgrade and throw the cd's away anyway |
| 20:01.29 | Phated | The cdimage mirrors have md5sums, don't they? |
| 20:01.29 | jkarns | moshii, umm, with a 256kbps connxn? ... right |
| 20:01.31 | starshine | lowv: if you need to jangle pins individually look at the kernel source for the lp device module, and compare with some of the kernel modules that provide (for ex) printer, or other parallel attached devs |
| 20:01.34 | Whitehawke | greycat: thanks. Given that I didn't know the name of the file (as, apparently, I didn't, since I thought it was httpd not apache), how would I find this out in the future? |
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| 20:01.46 | moshii | karsten: i'm using suspend to ram, I don't have enough swap to save out my memory heh |
| 20:01.46 | greycat | Whitehawke: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 20:01.51 | karsten | moshii: Ah. As I said, I've caught whiffs of acp stuff, but don't use it myself. |
| 20:01.56 | Knight_Lord | Phated at least my local mirror does |
| 20:01.58 | karsten | moshii: Hrm. OK. |
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| 20:02.24 | mirak | hi |
| 20:02.26 | Phated | Knight_Lord: I think most mirrors include an md5sum in the same dir as the images themselves... I wouldn't know, since I've only actually downloaded the b-f images. |
| 20:02.32 | bucky | jkarns, http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 20:02.32 | mirak | anyone managed to use the network in Qemu ? |
| 20:02.37 | Phated | Five dollars says he asks what b-f is. |
| 20:02.42 | Phated | :) |
| 20:02.48 | asg | mirak: have you asked in #qemu? |
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| 20:02.52 | jkarns | bucky, I'm outside of the U.S. |
| 20:02.54 | Knight_Lord | what b-f is? |
| 20:03.02 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Heh. |
| 20:03.07 | bucky | jkarns, they have a vendor for you |
| 20:03.16 | Phated | Knight_Lord: You do know what b-f is, don't you? |
| 20:03.19 | bgat | can anyone talk me through installing lxr? |
| 20:03.44 | Knight_Lord | Phated i'm affraid not |
| 20:03.46 | pipeline | jkarns: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/MD5SUMS |
| 20:03.48 | greycat | !b-f |
| 20:03.48 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 20:03.50 | Phated | Woo, five dollah. |
| 20:03.52 | greycat | boy, that's sooooo ohard. |
| 20:03.54 | mirak | asg: yes it's a bit dead place |
| 20:03.56 | Phated | Knight_Lord: boot-floppy. |
| 20:03.58 | Knight_Lord | Phated got it |
| 20:03.59 | asg | bgat: does 'apt-get install lxr' not take care of things for you? |
| 20:03.59 | jkarns | bucky, maybe sometime |
| 20:04.06 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Old install method before d-i came out. |
| 20:04.09 | jkarns | pipeline, hey thnx! |
| 20:04.16 | bgat | asg: it appears to install, but I'm totally unclear on what to do next |
| 20:04.25 | Knight_Lord | Phated i'm usually quite blind to such acronyms |
| 20:04.27 | bucky | jkarns, well if you insist on having *all* the cd's there you go |
| 20:04.28 | Phated | man lxr? |
| 20:04.29 | asg | bgat: read /usr/share/doc/lxr/* and any associated man pages |
| 20:04.33 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Heh. |
| 20:04.38 | paulswm | Phated: he's not going to ask you what d-i is |
| 20:04.45 | Knight_Lord | what d-i is? |
| 20:04.45 | bgat | asg: no manual entry for lxr |
| 20:04.46 | asg | bgat: the latter are found by 'dpkg -L lxr | grep man' |
| 20:04.47 | Phated | paulswm: I didn't make a bet on that, did I. :) |
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| 20:05.03 | Knight_Lord | Debian Installer? |
| 20:05.06 | pipeline | jkarns: There's an MD5SUMS file in every directory, IIRC |
| 20:05.10 | paulswm | Phated: no, you keep the fi dollah |
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| 20:05.14 | asg | Knight_Lord: yes |
| 20:05.15 | Phated | Yeah, see, -everyone- knows d-i. :) |
| 20:05.25 | asg | Phated: d.i is a moron I work with |
| 20:05.26 | Knight_Lord | How was it called previously? |
| 20:05.26 | filip | how much packages has debian ? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 20:05.31 | Phated | paulswm: Woo, you speakah Singlish! |
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| 20:05.41 | paulswm | Phated: :) |
| 20:05.44 | jkarns | bucky, having the CD's (i.e., complete archive) seems like a good idea for installing it on several boxes |
| 20:05.48 | Knight_Lord | The old installer? |
| 20:05.55 | Phated | filip: /msg dpkg dstats woody, /msg dpkg dstats sarge, /msg dpkg dstats sid. |
| 20:05.59 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 20:06.00 | filip | thx |
| 20:06.17 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Yeah, back when you actually could use floppies to install. :) No CD-burner. :) |
| 20:06.19 | rafx | oops |
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| 20:06.29 | Capri | can anyone give me some hints what I must do to get the freeswan-modules-source compiled with the 2.4.27-7 kernel source? |
| 20:06.29 | paulswm | Phated: or you keep the limah ringgit (spelling may be off) |
| 20:06.44 | Phated | Well, you can use floppies now too, but you're usually recommended the netinst iso. |
| 20:06.53 | Knight_Lord | Phated because i don't remeber the name. For me it has always been the debian installer |
| 20:06.59 | Phated | paulswm: Not that I'd want limah ringgit... The exchange rate sucks. :) |
| 20:07.09 | Phated | Knight_Lord: Yeah yeah. :) |
| 20:07.11 | bucky | jkarns, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:07.20 | simonrvn | Capri: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 20:07.23 | paulswm | Phated: doesn't surprise me a bit |
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| 20:07.40 | Phated | paulswm: Heh. Yeah, 1 .sg dollah is about .5 ringgit. |
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| 20:07.52 | EdibleText | lowv, I thougt I had one handy but I dont. you should be able google for lpt pinouts. most of the pins are just grounds |
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| 20:08.11 | OleMoudi | holahola |
| 20:08.36 | paulswm | Phated: wow, so it's cheaper to shop in JB? |
| 20:09.00 | addNtoX | how can i start a second xsession? |
| 20:09.18 | Capri | simonrvn: why should I need this package? |
| 20:09.23 | addNtoX | i remembered something like startx :1 but this didn't work |
| 20:09.26 | starshine | jkarns: make sure TAG gets that as a 2c |
| 20:09.34 | jkarns | pipeline, those md5's are for 2 CD's: netinstall and businesscard. I'm looking 4 the md5's of the 14 iso's |
| 20:09.41 | simonrvn | addNtoX: startx -- :1 |
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| 20:10.01 | Phated | paulswm: Oh yeah awesome shopping in JB. |
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| 20:10.22 | starshine | jkarns: ...as soon as you find the whole answer. hmm. |
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| 20:10.24 | paulswm | Phated: ha ha ha |
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| 20:10.29 | addNtoX | ok, thank you simonrvn :) |
| 20:10.37 | Phated | paulswm: :) Nah, I'm a full-time Orchard gal. :) |
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| 20:10.50 | muh | anyone know why my kb doesn't work after i upgraded gtk-2.4 in sid ? |
| 20:10.56 | starshine | whoever would want to spend time_t downloading 14 CDs without having a way to know if they're good on arrival? |
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| 20:11.08 | jkarns | bucky, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is where I started looking for the iso's. |
| 20:11.11 | greycat | starshine: clueless newbies. |
| 20:11.26 | asg | muh: the bts might |
| 20:11.37 | muh | ok, will check there |
| 20:11.47 | jkarns | It takes more than a week just to DL the iso's, and by that time they've been changed. |
| 20:11.52 | bgat | asg: found it. Thanks! |
| 20:11.57 | asg | bgat: you're welcome |
| 20:12.15 | pango_loco | silly question (and I won't be insulted if you direct me to correct documentation) after dpkg -P'ing a set of packages they still appear in dpkg -l output with status 'un' and 'pn' how do I make them go away (or what has been left unfinished?) |
| 20:12.15 | jkarns | starshine, kinda what *I* think |
| 20:12.17 | pipeline | jkarns: Err, you won't find MD5 sums for anything that you didn't get from the Debian FTP's. |
| 20:12.25 | Phated | jkarns: Two words. Netinst iso. |
| 20:12.27 | pipeline | jkarns: The bit torrent ".torrent" files contain SHA sums or something of that kind. |
| 20:12.56 | jkarns | Phated, one number: 256kbps |
| 20:13.03 | starshine | pipeline: I think he wanted a method independent of his download method |
| 20:13.16 | jkarns | Netinstall would prolly take at least 10 days |
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| 20:13.26 | pipeline | starshine: Yes, but that is idiocy. |
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| 20:13.38 | starshine | Phated: netinst isos suck at a disconnected installfest |
| 20:13.39 | Phated | jkarns: *shrugs* 110 MB iso, install a base system, install packages at a time when you run into the need for them. |
| 20:13.40 | greycat | pango_loco: they only appear as "un" if you actually ask dpkg for that package's information (either alone or in a wildcard) |
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| 20:13.44 | pipeline | jkarns: Netinstall is a 100M disc with nothing but the base system on it. You only install the parts you want. |
| 20:13.45 | LoonaTick | hi |
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| 20:13.49 | Phated | starshine: See above. |
| 20:13.51 | Skaag | how do I know if my kernel has NFS compiled in or not in the currently running kernel? |
| 20:13.57 | greycat | pango_loco: if you just do "dpkg -l" (NO package mask), then it won't show the purged ones. |
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| 20:14.01 | starshine | pipeline: then sign me up for idiocy because I'd rather have md5sums in plain sight |
| 20:14.03 | asg | Skaag: check /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:14.03 | LoonaTick | Anyone know how I can search trough my filesystem looking for big files or big folders? (the content of the folder I mean) |
| 20:14.11 | greycat | !man find |
| 20:14.12 | dpkg | EXAMPLES: "find . -type f -name core -print" print all files named "core" recursivesly from `pwd`. "find /usr -type f -perm +6000 -print | xargs ls -l" show all setuid/setgid programs under /usr. "find / -xdev -size +100k -print | xargs ls -l" show all files >100kB in root fs. |
| 20:14.18 | pango_loco | ahh so it keeps a history of things that have been installed? |
| 20:14.25 | LoonaTick | thnx :-) |
| 20:14.27 | pipeline | jkarns: What I suggest you do is get a sane torrent client, open the torrents again, and save them overwriting your corrupted discs. |
| 20:14.27 | pango_loco | even though they were completely purged? |
| 20:14.28 | greycat | pango_loco: not precisely, but... sort of. |
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| 20:14.35 | Knight_Lord | Skaag server or client? |
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| 20:14.36 | pipeline | jkarns: Azureus will find the bad chunks and re-download them. |
| 20:14.38 | starshine | Phated: the url where he found md5sums for only 2 of 16 discs? |
| 20:14.41 | EdibleText | jkarns, there is also the 32MB woody netinstall iso |
| 20:14.43 | greycat | pango_loco: it also knows about things that were never installed. |
| 20:14.49 | Skaag | CONFIG_NFSD=m |
| 20:14.52 | Skaag | Server |
| 20:15.03 | pango_loco | greycat: so I have no more work to do to remove the package then? |
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| 20:15.13 | greycat | pango_loco: nope |
| 20:15.21 | pango_loco | greycat: excellent, thanks :) |
| 20:15.27 | Phated | starshine: The netinst iso has an md5sum, according to him. And it's 100 megs as opposed to 14x700 megs. Two-thirds of which he will never use. Which is wiser on a slow connection? :) |
| 20:15.27 | pipeline | starshine: Each download method has its own way to checksum. Torrent uses a tree of SHA's, IIRC. FTP uses public MD5's. Jigdo checksums the individual files and builds the disc itself. It would be pointless to duplicate those. |
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| 20:15.34 | jkarns | pipeline, prolly will have to look @ netinstall if I continue w/ debian. |
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| 20:15.42 | PopNow | how do i completly remove a installed package, including config files? |
| 20:15.52 | asg | PopNow: apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
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| 20:15.55 | paulswm | @win Knight_Lord |
| 20:15.57 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Knight_Lord! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:16.04 | Delph | jkarns: these days, i dont know of many people who actually get all the ISO's over the intarweb. |
| 20:16.04 | pipeline | jkarns: Well, the netinstall is very convenient either way. But if you want to fix the CD's you already have, instead of redownloading them, I've told you what you have to do. |
| 20:16.10 | Phated | Knight_Lord: I'm getting good at ignoring those, I never even noticed yours. :) |
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| 20:16.25 | jkarns | EdibleText, I'm told woody is not worth bothering with at this date, as it's about to be replaced |
| 20:16.28 | Delph | jkarns: either get them delivered by snail mail, or use a netinst type tool. |
| 20:16.34 | pipeline | Delph: I've actually done it in order to have a convenient way to make NFS repositories. |
| 20:16.37 | Knight_Lord | paulswm thank you thank you, i'll be here all week... |
| 20:16.47 | paulswm | jkarns: yes and its a pain in the ass to install anyway |
| 20:16.47 | Skaag | can I load the nfsd module in a way that would not crash the system in case something goes wrong? |
| 20:16.57 | Delph | pipeline: aye, but then you have to play keeping it all updated, no? |
| 20:17.01 | starshine | I presume that I can as easily get the great 14 disc set via ftp? |
| 20:17.09 | Knight_Lord | Skaag that's usually accomplished by modprobe nfsd |
| 20:17.13 | Phated | Yes... But why would you want to. :) |
| 20:17.18 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: I know, i'm just affraid :-\ |
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| 20:17.28 | jkarns | pipeline, thnx 4 the tip about Azureus. Although I'm gunshy of BT at this point |
| 20:17.31 | pipeline | Delph: I don't update :) |
| 20:17.31 | Knight_Lord | Skaag but if you are that affraid you can try user space nfsd |
| 20:17.34 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: If it crashes the box, I will have to get the colo staff to reboot that box remotely |
| 20:17.44 | pipeline | jkarns: What did you use to start with? The python client written by morons? Good lord I loath bram cohen. |
| 20:17.47 | starshine | Phated: because I get a nice link to ftp sites with wget in which I can control how much they hog of my line. |
| 20:17.49 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: I am currently using user space nfsd but it's just very slow and doesn't support locking |
| 20:17.59 | Phated | starshine: Ahhh, all right then, that's fair. |
| 20:18.14 | LoonaTick | greycat: Another question, how can I look at all the contents of the folder instead of per-file? |
| 20:18.15 | Knight_Lord | Skaag ok. If you're using standard hardware the chances of crashing are very very low |
| 20:18.17 | Skaag | some of the boxes run apache and serve files from this nfs server and it's crawling |
| 20:18.18 | pipeline | Delph: A unix system with only one user and no network services is secure. No ports open is nothing to hack. |
| 20:18.35 | Skaag | ok |
| 20:18.39 | Knight_Lord | Skaag 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 20:18.44 | pipeline | Delph: I'm still using OpenBSD 3.4 because I have no network services but SSH; no reason to update. |
| 20:18.45 | asg | pipeline: unless your physical security is horrible |
| 20:19.07 | pipeline | asg: Physical security is crap. If they have physical access, the jig is up no matter how elaborate your network security is. |
| 20:19.13 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: 2.6.9 |
| 20:19.15 | Knight_Lord | pipeline exactly same situation here |
| 20:19.15 | pipeline | asg: Even MD5 is crackable. |
| 20:19.25 | Delph | pipeline: but you dont have any network; so its still just as vunerable. |
| 20:19.27 | Delph | sorted. |
| 20:19.37 | asg | pipeline: as I said, physical security is important (/me once caught the college gardner in the dino pen.) |
| 20:19.38 | jkarns | pipeline, don't know what it was exactly, other that I used (whispering) knoppix |
| 20:19.39 | Knight_Lord | pipeline version and all |
| 20:19.39 | pipeline | Delph: No, I have a network, no network *services*. |
| 20:19.41 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: Care to see the output in #flood once I modprobe that module? |
| 20:19.53 | Knight_Lord | Skaag sure |
| 20:19.53 | Delph | pipeline: see comment re network. |
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| 20:20.19 | Skaag | the server kicked me |
| 20:20.20 | Skaag | :-) |
| 20:20.29 | pipeline | jkarns: Azureus is available for every platform, uses java. It's faster, it uses less memory, and it's better than the python clients that people ordinarily use. I hate Python and I hate Cohen for using it :P |
| 20:20.38 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: Did you get some of it? |
| 20:20.43 | Knight_Lord | Skaag how did you know the modprobe wasn't going to work? |
| 20:20.47 | Knight_Lord | Skaag yes i got |
| 20:21.02 | Knight_Lord | Skaag what made you suspicious? |
| 20:21.02 | Skaag | because a friend of mine compiled that module and said it might be quirky |
| 20:21.09 | Knight_Lord | ah |
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| 20:21.34 | Knight_Lord | you could have told that before |
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| 20:22.00 | Knight_Lord | you need to use the exact same headers and config file as your current kernel |
| 20:22.16 | Knight_Lord | or you're asking for trouble |
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| 20:22.24 | zlost1 | is there a cli ppp utility ? |
| 20:22.34 | Knight_Lord | ppp? |
| 20:22.44 | zlost1 | modem dialer |
| 20:22.46 | Phated | PPP is mostly done with CLI, no? |
| 20:22.47 | agenteo | hi I'm installing debian on a laptop without NIC or CD-ROM, I've pluggeg a PCMCIA NIC, does I need to load the module from the boot: promt when the resque floppy is loaded? |
| 20:22.50 | Phated | pon, poff? |
| 20:22.51 | Delph | vim is probably your #1 tool for the config. |
| 20:22.59 | Delph | if thats what you mean. |
| 20:23.00 | Knight_Lord | zlost1 ppp is such thing |
| 20:23.23 | asg | agenteo: it should be picked up by the installer provided your pcmcia card is supported by the install kernel |
| 20:23.30 | paulswm | LoonaTick: they're directories in *nix, not folders, and ls will show the contents of a directory if that's what you mean |
| 20:23.32 | jkarns | greycat, I might B a newbie to Debian, but I've been using Linux for about 10 yrs |
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| 20:23.46 | zlost1 | im in kde presently and it dials with kppp, is ppp a command to make it dial from a cli ? |
| 20:23.51 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: I think they were the same headers and configs... :-\ |
| 20:23.58 | Knight_Lord | zlost1 yes |
| 20:24.02 | zlost1 | ok |
| 20:24.04 | LoonaTick | paulswm: No, I dont to see the total size of all files inside of one directory |
| 20:24.04 | zlost1 | thanks |
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| 20:24.22 | LoonaTick | paulswm: any ideas? |
| 20:24.23 | paulswm | LoonaTick: du -sh <directory> |
| 20:24.29 | LoonaTick | aah thnx :-) |
| 20:24.32 | Knight_Lord | Skaag i would guess you guessed wrong |
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| 20:26.01 | Phated | paulswm: What's -s do in that? |
| 20:26.01 | agenteo | asg: yeah the eth NIC has a supported module: 3c574_cs |
| 20:26.01 | zlost1 | bash command ppp not found apt-cache search ppp ? |
| 20:26.01 | paulswm | Phated: summary |
| 20:26.01 | FlopsyPete | for non-root users to use CD/DVD writers, is it the device (/dev/hdc) or the mount point(s) (/media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom) that need to be a member of the group cdrom and have approprate rw permissions, or both, or what? |
| 20:26.01 | Phated | paulswm: Ah, totals then. |
| 20:26.01 | Phated | zlost1: Try pon... |
| 20:26.01 | asg | agenteo: then you shouldn't have a problem. |
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| 20:26.23 | Phated | Good lord, my homedir is 302 megs. |
| 20:26.30 | paulswm | Phated: yes, otherwise you get the detail unless you're in the directory and don't specify it |
| 20:26.38 | Skaag | hgrml pfft :-[ |
| 20:26.40 | Phated | paulswm: Cool, thanks. :) |
| 20:26.52 | asg | Phated: asg@rob:~$ du -hs |
| 20:26.52 | asg | 802M |
| 20:26.56 | Phated | Haha. |
| 20:26.56 | p30n | question: can i get Tcl with apt-get and what is the package name? i also would like to know how i search availabe apt-get packages ? |
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| 20:27.09 | Phated | asg: And my homedir doesn't contain any media. :) |
| 20:27.12 | ricky_clarkson | 1.1G |
| 20:27.14 | asg | p30n: tcl8.x (or somesuch) |
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| 20:27.29 | Knight_Lord | p30n apt-cache search <search string> |
| 20:27.31 | Phated | p30n: apt-cache search/ |
| 20:27.38 | asg | Phated: no media here either (save for the odd pdfs) |
| 20:27.45 | Phated | asg: Cool. :) |
| 20:27.47 | p30n | asg: u mean like apt-get tcl8.x or should the x be a number? |
| 20:27.48 | resiak | !tell p30n about search |
| 20:27.52 | usn | qweek |
| 20:27.52 | asg | ricky_clarkson: is that your ~/java/helloWorld tree? |
| 20:28.04 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Hey, it's got to deal with all the replies too. |
| 20:28.05 | asg | p30n: apt-cache search tcl |
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| 20:28.13 | asg | ricky_clarkson: :) |
| 20:28.17 | agenteo | asg: actually there is a problem I don't know why after some times the laptop's monitor became black and when I press anybutton to activate it... I can't go on... the system hang |
| 20:28.18 | p30n | thx |
| 20:28.44 | chetan13 | does anyone here use kplayer or kmplayer? |
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| 20:28.54 | jkarns | starshine, I think my 2c tip would be for anyone w/ a connxn less than 512k, to 4get about trying to get/install debian from the 'net! |
| 20:29.06 | asg | agenteo: probably using ACPI and the laptop went into sleep mode automatically. |
| 20:29.10 | ricky_clarkson | 147M gaim-0.79 |
| 20:29.16 | ricky_clarkson | Wow, what's going on there? |
| 20:29.18 | asg | ricky_clarkson: :/ |
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| 20:29.22 | asg | ricky_clarkson: make clean? |
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| 20:29.37 | paulswm | heh, paul@pooh ~ $ du -sh |
| 20:29.37 | ricky_clarkson | asg: rm -Rf |
| 20:29.37 | paulswm | 6.2G . |
| 20:29.39 | raven | hi, what is a udeb? |
| 20:29.45 | greycat | !udeb |
| 20:29.45 | dpkg | udebs are "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 20:29.48 | paulswm | also no media |
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| 20:29.59 | Skaag | Knight_Lord: How do I know if it has destabilized my system? |
| 20:30.00 | ricky_clarkson | !dict spake |
| 20:30.02 | greycat | dpkg, udeb =~ s/are "/are microdebs, "/ |
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| 20:30.02 | dpkg | greycat: that doesn't contain 'are "' |
| 20:30.03 | dpkg | Dictionary 'spake' (6 shown; 20 total): To speak out, to speak loudly and distinctly; also, to speak unreservedly. ;; To speak well for, to commend; to be favorable to. ;; To speak of, to take account of, to make mention of. --Robynson (More's Utopia). ;; 5. To give sound; to sound. ;; 2. To express opinions; to say; to talk; to converse. ;; Make all our trumpets speak. --Shak.. |
| 20:30.03 | Phated | paulswm: Dude... That's freaking 3/4 of my entire available storage. I fucking hate you. :) |
| 20:30.04 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you can do that, yes. :) |
| 20:30.10 | raven | thanks greycat ;) |
| 20:30.13 | greycat | dpkg, udebs =~ s/are "/are microdebs, "/ |
| 20:30.13 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:30.24 | paulswm | Phated: that is the sole reason why I posted it :-P |
| 20:30.39 | Phated | Haha. Owned. |
| 20:30.40 | PopNow | I have installed mysql 4.1 package and when I want to start it I get this erroe message "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed." nothing else.. anyone who knows what could be the problem? |
| 20:30.48 | mirak | I see only to option to have network functionning on qemu, it's -user-net and "-n script", however none of them seem to run that script |
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| 20:30.52 | Phated | paulswm: Not bad. I concede this round to you, grasshopper. :) |
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| 20:31.09 | asg | PopNow: did you look in /var/log/syslog || /var/log/mysql/mysql.{log,err} |
| 20:31.11 | ricky_clarkson | asg: It's now an old version, I had it from when Yahoo were changing protocol all the time. |
| 20:31.17 | asg | ricky_clarkson: ah |
| 20:31.24 | paulswm | Phated: see what happens when I spend too much time around you, heh |
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| 20:31.25 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I haven't used it since I discovered bitlbee |
| 20:31.27 | iceman__ | that is aggrivating .... can install Knoppix with easy ... and cant get debian itself installed ? |
| 20:31.33 | Phated | paulswm: Oh you call this too much time? |
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| 20:32.25 | asuffield | it would take too long for me to run du on my ~ |
| 20:32.29 | paulswm | Phated: s/too much time/fascinating hours/ |
| 20:32.30 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Is that easy to use? |
| 20:32.34 | asuffield | /dev/hdb2 113G 111G 2.1G 99% /home |
| 20:32.35 | asg | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 20:32.36 | asuffield | but that's it |
| 20:32.37 | Phated | paulswm: Hah. |
| 20:32.51 | asg | asuffield: your special dancer-ircd patches? :) |
| 20:32.59 | paulswm | Phated: that's what my employer would call 'guest recovery' :) |
| 20:32.59 | asuffield | no |
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| 20:33.22 | asg | ricky_clarkson: he also did the full /home |
| 20:33.41 | Phated | paulswm: Heh. |
| 20:33.42 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I could whip out our 137K+ student home directory tree |
| 20:33.44 | ricky_clarkson | Yeah, but my hard drive (including Windows partition) is 40GB, so I'm out. |
| 20:33.49 | PopNow | asg: it just say "/usr/sbin/mysqld, Version: 4.1.8a-Debian_1-log. started with:Tcp port: 3306 Unix socket: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock" |
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| 20:34.06 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Ok, ok, well, I used to administer something with 400GB of data on it, so ner. |
| 20:34.09 | asg | PopNow: nothing at all besides that in /var/log/syslog? |
| 20:34.13 | asuffield | <shrug> that box doesn't have any users other than me |
| 20:34.13 | asg | ricky_clarkson: :p |
| 20:34.26 | paulswm | Phated: paul@pooh ~ $ sudo pvscan |
| 20:34.29 | asuffield | 37Ganime |
| 20:34.29 | asuffield | 33Gaudio |
| 20:34.29 | asuffield | 11Gmedia |
| 20:34.29 | asg | asuffield: touche |
| 20:34.30 | paulswm | Phated: Total: 12 [441.75 GB] / in use: 12 [441.75 GB] / in no VG: 0 [0 ] |
| 20:34.33 | asuffield | that's most of it |
| 20:34.36 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: So, what's your address again? |
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| 20:34.52 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:35.20 | ricky_clarkson | I jus' wanna leave a couple of Tanglefoot bottles at your door, that's all. |
| 20:35.20 | starshine | jkarns: guess you can taste test which disc vendors provide complete sets instead of just netinst isos.. |
| 20:35.41 | asg | PopNow: if not, the socket is probably stale, try /etc/init.d/mysql restart (and see if it comes up) |
| 20:35.42 | ncsu | Is there anyway to import swf files into openoffice impress? |
| 20:35.45 | Phated | asuffield: I'm going to say here that your largest dir is anime. :) |
| 20:35.56 | Phated | paulswm: dude... That's cruel. |
| 20:36.03 | PopNow | asg.. ok, will try hang on |
| 20:36.07 | asuffield | Phated: congratulations. you have mastered the art of comparing small positive integers |
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| 20:36.13 | Phated | asuffield: Wheee! |
| 20:36.17 | paulswm | Phated: OK, I'm done now |
| 20:36.22 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 20:36.24 | greycat | one could make the argument thatn 37G is not a small integer. |
| 20:36.38 | Knight_Lord | ncsu even .mpg is bad enough, so i think you'll have to hack for some nights to get that |
| 20:36.41 | jkarns | starshine, I'll submit a summary of my experience |
| 20:36.43 | Phated | greycat: Well, G isn't part of the number. 37 is a small positive integer, he's right. |
| 20:36.54 | Phated | paulswm: Oh no I'm just plotting your murder here. |
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| 20:37.15 | asg | Phated: mrs peacock-phated in the conservatory with the garden hose? |
| 20:37.20 | plugwash | if you were setting up a server now would you use woody or sarge? |
| 20:37.20 | paulswm | Phated: yesy, you don't strike me as the whimpering type |
| 20:37.23 | asuffield | 400Gb isn't all that much |
| 20:37.24 | paulswm | yes |
| 20:37.32 | FlopsyPete | as part of the configuration for allowing non-root users to use CD/DVD writers, is it the device (/dev/hdc), the generic device (/dev/cdrom) or the mount point(s) (/media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom) that need to be a member of the group cdrom and have approprate rw permissions, or all of them, or what? |
| 20:37.34 | eax | anyone have S3 savage ? |
| 20:37.40 | Phated | asg: "Miss Phated-Scarlet in the dining room with the pistol". |
| 20:37.49 | asg | Phated: ah |
| 20:37.53 | greycat | Phated: but you can't ignore the G. du -h (*hissss!!*) will happily spit out "37G" and "200M" on two consecutive lines and leave you wondering how the mp3 dir got SOOOO much bigger than the movie dir, until you see the letter M |
| 20:37.55 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 20:38.06 | plugwash | im dubious about the idea of using testing on a box i don't have physical access to but im also dubious about having to do a major upgrade on such a box. |
| 20:38.08 | PopNow | asg.. "0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed" |
| 20:38.15 | Phated | greycat: Hehe. Well, since they're all in G here... You can ignore the units, no? |
| 20:38.18 | zlost1 | is there a script to make pon peer files ? |
| 20:38.18 | asuffield | greycat: I suggest you try reading :P |
| 20:38.27 | paulswm | greycat: is why I use du -k |
| 20:38.30 | PopNow | asg: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)' |
| 20:38.33 | greycat | !paulswm++ |
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| 20:38.45 | PopNow | asg: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 20:38.46 | asg | PopNow: try removing the socket manually and starting it again |
| 20:38.47 | Phated | He's getting too much karma. Time to take him down a litle. |
| 20:38.49 | asuffield | du -k means you have to sit there for five minutes counting digits, trying to figure out whether it's 10Tb or 100Tb |
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| 20:39.03 | greycat | asuffield: no, you just notice that it's one column smaller than the one above it. |
| 20:39.08 | asuffield | it's only really useful when you want to pass the output to | sort -n |
| 20:39.09 | paulswm | asuffield: and that's why I tell others to use du -h :) |
| 20:39.23 | zlost1 | check your mysql [assword, the default is root root |
| 20:39.29 | valdyn_ | FlopsyPete: only the device needs to be accessible |
| 20:39.33 | jkarns | Maybe I can copy the .deb pkgs from the iso's I have and rsync the rest |
| 20:39.33 | PopNow | asg: where is the socket.. /var/run/mysqld/ and then the file mysqld.sock? |
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| 20:39.38 | asg | PopNow: yes |
| 20:39.48 | asg | zlost1: the default mysql password is unset |
| 20:39.58 | asg | zlost1: as in: it doesn't have one |
| 20:40.00 | zlost1 | mine was root |
| 20:40.13 | asg | zlost1: on what debian? |
| 20:40.19 | zlost1 | naw slack |
| 20:40.25 | FlopsyPete | valdyn_: thanks |
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| 20:40.30 | asg | zlost1: which is how slack does it, not debian |
| 20:40.35 | mvhurja | how i can paste text in vi editor ? |
| 20:40.58 | asg | mvhurja: depends on how you selected the text |
| 20:41.05 | ricky_clarkson | mvhurja: p |
| 20:41.09 | zlost1 | still i had the same error till i got my passwords right |
| 20:41.11 | paulswm | Phated: Me? Take me down a little? I don't know a lot so that shouldn't be hard |
| 20:41.31 | mvhurja | i wat thinking to put there some html code |
| 20:41.33 | Phated | paulswm: Naw... You're new here. We'll do the whole negative karma thing some other time. :) |
| 20:41.38 | PopNow | asg: same error message |
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| 20:41.53 | paulswm | Phated: not new, just returning from a several month absence |
| 20:41.55 | zlost1 | is there a script to make pon peer files ? |
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| 20:42.08 | asg | PopNow: then consult with zlost1 or perhaps #mysql |
| 20:42.10 | Phated | paulswm: Ah. |
| 20:42.14 | Juggaloon | since no one in #mysql is answering...i'm trying to make mysql bind to its port. I installed the stable package, and I *thought* had it configured, but i cant connect to the db remotely...is there something special i have to do to make it bind to the mysql port? |
| 20:42.30 | neenee | lol. |
| 20:42.40 | asg | Juggaloon: comment the 'skip-networking' option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ; /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 20:42.42 | Fah | i think by default the debian packages dont listen on a tcp port |
| 20:42.43 | torbjorn | I have a few lines like these in my firwall log: [..] PHYSIN=eth0 PHYSOUT=eth1 SRC=127.0.0.1 [..] ACK RST |
| 20:42.43 | BR_ | comment out skip-networking. |
| 20:42.44 | greycat | Juggaloon: edit the config file, comment out "skip networking", ... |
| 20:42.44 | jdhutchin1 | Juggaloon, you have to enable remote connections in my.conf |
| 20:42.47 | Fah | do what asg said |
| 20:42.51 | PopNow | zlots1: I hear you are a guru when it comes to mysql ;-) |
| 20:42.51 | paulswm | Phated: haven't posted anything to debian.user for months either, or even read it |
| 20:42.54 | torbjorn | could they possibly originate from the firewall linux installation itself? |
| 20:42.59 | greycat | is that one in the FAQ yet? |
| 20:43.01 | Juggaloon | doh! |
| 20:43.03 | neenee | since no one in #cooking is responding, how exactly do i prepare tomatoes for usage in lasagna? |
| 20:43.04 | asg | greycat: the mysql one? |
| 20:43.07 | Juggaloon | thanks |
| 20:43.08 | greycat | asg: yes, that one |
| 20:43.09 | zlost1 | the package in debian as i understood it only acce[t plain passwords |
| 20:43.11 | Phated | paulswm: Me neither. I've never signed up for debian-user. |
| 20:43.16 | asg | greycat: I thought I put that in there, let me check |
| 20:43.18 | zlost1 | i had to upgrade mine to work |
| 20:43.36 | PopNow | zlots1: when I want to start mysql I get error message "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed." |
| 20:43.38 | tarzeau | moo |
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| 20:43.44 | greycat | asg: yes, misc. page, #5 |
| 20:44.02 | karsten | neenee: blanch them for ~20 seconds in boiling water, skin 'em, slice 'em, and put 'em in the casserole dish w/ the noodles. |
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| 20:44.08 | neenee | ;) |
| 20:44.08 | vulture | PopNow: so check the logs |
| 20:44.10 | paulswm | Phated: there are of course some posts from mwilson which are pretty much the same stype as here, often dryly entertaining |
| 20:44.15 | asg | greycat: right |
| 20:44.16 | PopNow | and then ""0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed" |
| 20:44.16 | paulswm | style |
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| 20:44.28 | bucky | zlost1, then you'd know that mysql normaly has it's pid in /tmp unless you specified otherwise in ./configure |
| 20:44.34 | PopNow | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)' |
| 20:44.43 | neenee | karsten: it was an attempt at a joke :) at first i wanted to use #completelyunrelatedtodebian, but i thought something like this would be funnier :) |
| 20:44.45 | Phated | paulswm: Never read it. :) I did read the rudeness thread online though. Mildly entertaining. |
| 20:44.46 | PopNow | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists |
| 20:44.55 | zlost1 | this might sound stupid, but when i was having problems i did a search on mysql.org they have an amazing database of fixes for just this sort of thing |
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| 20:45.09 | bucky | zlost1, it's pretty faq |
| 20:45.18 | karsten | neenee: That's OK. I'm a joke. |
| 20:45.27 | Phated | How is that stupid? You just went up in the esteem of everyone for being able to find a fix. :) |
| 20:45.33 | neenee | karsten: er okay |
| 20:45.37 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Not an original one. |
| 20:46.20 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, much to my chagrin. |
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| 20:46.58 | Hollow_ | What is the best version of Sarge out? |
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| 20:47.12 | greycat | sarge is not out. there is only one sarge. |
| 20:47.13 | paulswm | Hollow_: the one called 'sarge' |
| 20:47.24 | greycat | you could use $'...\t...' |
| 20:47.27 | greycat | damn! |
| 20:47.29 | Hollow_ | ok |
| 20:47.45 | greycat | I think I'm wearing out my Ctrl-N key. |
| 20:48.03 | greycat | N and Left-Shift are the keys where the most ink has been rubbed off. |
| 20:48.14 | Hollow_ | so if i wanna do a netinstall i should get the netinstall image or the businesscard image? |
| 20:48.21 | Phated | Mine are O, M, N, and right shirt. |
| 20:48.23 | Phated | shift. |
| 20:48.25 | greycat | Hollow_: ask yourself that question, slowly. |
| 20:48.31 | Hollow_ | hehe |
| 20:48.32 | Phated | greycat: Haha. |
| 20:48.39 | zlost1 | i just hate it when ive looked all over, and come to a chan asking for help and someone tells me rtfm |
| 20:48.43 | christor | Hello,sometimes my debian/sarge reboot and I have nothing in the logs. Someone have an idea to debug the problem? |
| 20:48.46 | Hollow_ | its just coz, some time ago a guy told me that i should get businesscard to do netinstall |
| 20:48.52 | greycat | zlost1: then don't ask questions that are answered in the FM |
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| 20:49.11 | orchid | Hollow_: grab the net iso |
| 20:49.14 | Hollow_ | ok |
| 20:49.40 | paulswm | Holborn: you're on DSL, and its only 100MB |
| 20:49.52 | paulswm | Hollow_: : you're on DSL, and its only 100MB |
| 20:49.54 | zlost1 | sometimes a question is more complex than the manual covers or at leaste seems that way |
| 20:49.55 | paulswm | crap |
| 20:49.58 | Hollow_ | hehe |
| 20:50.08 | Hollow_ | 107mb actually :) |
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| 20:50.17 | greycat | zlost1: we get very, very few complex questions here. |
| 20:50.20 | Hollow_ | but what is the businesscard? |
| 20:50.25 | greycat | Hollow_: an even smaller one. |
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| 20:50.29 | Herodes | hi... |
| 20:50.34 | Hollow_ | okay |
| 20:50.35 | Phated | greycat: "There are no complex questions, only confused people"? |
| 20:50.35 | paulswm | Hollow_: the one you don't need, heh |
| 20:50.36 | Hollow_ | thx :) |
| 20:50.40 | Hollow_ | :D |
| 20:50.49 | greycat | Phated: there are complex questions, but most people are smart enough not to ask them in #debian. |
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| 20:50.54 | Phated | Ahhh. |
| 20:50.59 | paulswm | !confuse Phated |
| 20:51.00 | dpkg | No, how is their gouda tomorrow, Phated? wellies of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 20:51.01 | Phated | Good for them. :) |
| 20:51.10 | Herodes | any knows if are there in inet servers dhcp which can give publical ips? |
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| 20:51.25 | greycat | Herodes: ask your ISP for an account. Offer them money. |
| 20:51.34 | greycat | that's how it usually works. |
| 20:51.43 | Phated | paulswm: whose, excellent, and no thanks, I don't like anchovies. |
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| 20:52.08 | Herodes | wanna say, can i configure my dhcp with no locals ips |
| 20:52.10 | Herodes | ? |
| 20:52.13 | bucky | zlost1, Mysql needs executable permissions on the /var/run/mysql directory. If this seems unsafe to you then another solution is to link the socket in (for example) the /tmp dir |
| 20:52.13 | paulswm | greycat: yeah, it's mostly 'X doesn't work' or 'help me with nvidia drivers' |
| 20:52.15 | RolandU | is it normal that I am unable to launch kmoon in current sarge? |
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| 20:52.32 | greycat | paulswm: or worse, ATi drivers |
| 20:52.46 | zlost1 | hmm ok chmod it then |
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| 20:52.51 | Hollow_ | greycat: I bought a promise ide controller, if i wanna install my os on a hd using the controller do debian find the devices itself? |
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| 20:52.59 | jatos | hello |
| 20:53.29 | greycat | Hollow_: it might. |
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| 20:53.42 | Hollow_ | hopefully coz i cant find any drivers lol |
| 20:53.50 | paulswm | Phated: yes, I don't like the smelly little things either, but I really do love Bombay Duck which is impossible to find in the states |
| 20:53.52 | zlost1 | wahoo pppconfig...got it thanks |
| 20:54.00 | SDFH_Linux | anyone use live365 on debian |
| 20:54.03 | EdibleText | Herodes, you can configure dhcpd to give out any ip |
| 20:54.12 | jatos | you debian |
| 20:54.12 | Phated | paulswm: Bombay duck... Never had it, but I do like beggar's chicken. |
| 20:54.28 | greycat | is that like, "PLEEEEEASE give me some chicken!!" |
| 20:54.32 | Herodes | EdibleText, ?? |
| 20:54.34 | jatos | with basic version of debian comes with a decent version of kdeee |
| 20:54.37 | asuffield | nah, that would be rat |
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| 20:54.45 | Phated | It's chicken with herbs and stuff cooking in aluminium foil. Not bad stuff. |
| 20:54.54 | paulswm | Phated: Bombay Duck = dried fish with an odour reminiscent of week old socks |
| 20:55.04 | jatos | anyone? |
| 20:55.06 | Phated | paulswm: Ahhh. |
| 20:55.07 | EdibleText | < Herodes> wanna say, can i configure my dhcp with no locals ips |
| 20:55.14 | greycat | jatos: you did not ask a question |
| 20:55.15 | EdibleText | Herodes, you can configure dhcpd to give out any ip |
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| 20:55.29 | bucky | zlost1, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Problems_with_mysql.sock.html |
| 20:55.43 | Delph | hmm; strange. |
| 20:55.57 | jatos | I did, which debian dist comes with a decent version of kde |
| 20:55.59 | Delph | zlost1: exactly what problem are you having with mysql? |
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| 20:56.14 | paulswm | Phated: It's a Indian makhan kitchi really (spelling again), break up and sprinkle on rice |
| 20:56.14 | Herodes | EdibleText, my prollem is this: |
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| 20:56.23 | Delph | (sorry to re-ask, but i did an upgrade about two hours ago, and i'm now having problems logging into my mysqld |
| 20:56.31 | Phated | paulswm: Sounds fairly good, truth be told. |
| 20:56.45 | paulswm | Phated: to die for, actually, IMO |
| 20:56.49 | zlost1 | ok gr8 you got a fix |
| 20:56.50 | Phated | Ahh. |
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| 20:56.56 | Kerr | How do I play .mvg files ? |
| 20:56.58 | bucky | Delph, an upgrade to what? |
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| 20:57.10 | SDFH_Linux | anyone use live365 on debian? |
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| 20:57.15 | atari | hi |
| 20:57.17 | Delph | "4.0.23_Debian-1-log" |
| 20:57.23 | greycat | SDFH_Linux: NO. |
| 20:57.26 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:57.27 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:57.30 | Delph | zlost1: no, i'm asking you what *your* problem is, exactly. |
| 20:57.34 | hanoi_pm | howto add meta data (such as changelog, Maintainer, ..) to my customized kernel package? |
| 20:57.36 | atari | can can i update spamassassin bayes db from an other user? |
| 20:57.43 | greycat | hanoi_pm: man dch |
| 20:57.45 | SDFH_Linux | hm it worked before and now it doesnt work |
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| 20:57.53 | hanoi_pm | greycat: thanks :) |
| 20:57.55 | Delph | can you login using the unix sockets, i'm just having issues over the network. |
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| 20:58.21 | EdibleText | SDFH_Linux, I have connected to the site with mplayer or mpg321. whats the problem? |
| 20:58.26 | Herodes | EdibleText, i have :cable_modem--swithc----pc1+pc2. Pc1 has 2 intrerfaces..eth0 by dhcp(ISP) and eth0:0 with local ip. This pc goes out inet and see others pcs in the local net. I did the same in other pc, but it can not get ip from dhcp. So it can see internet. |
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| 20:58.30 | hanoi_pm | greycat: No manual entry for dch |
| 20:58.30 | FlopsyPete | with a currently up-to-date system, is a downgrade from sid to testing likely to work? I setup a client's desktop with it (and have since decided to standardise on testing for desktops). yes, you may well laugh. |
| 20:58.37 | AprilDL__ | How do I force apt-get to install what it thinks is a downgraded version of a program |
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| 20:58.50 | SDFH_Linux | mpg321 is that a site or a program? |
| 20:59.00 | greycat | Herodes: fucking spend $20 on a second NIC and do this RIGHT. |
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| 20:59.12 | Herodes | :) |
| 20:59.15 | greycat | Gods, cheap bastards who can't be arsed to buy real hardware piss me off. |
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| 20:59.51 | Herodes | money dont grows up in trees.... |
| 20:59.55 | Delph | greycat: i think the point is that it should work. |
| 21:00.08 | bucky | Delph, scroll up ^^ asg Juggaloon: comment the 'skip-networking' option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ; /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 21:00.22 | Delph | bucky: <- not mysql newbie =:) |
| 21:00.23 | greycat | Delph: no, the POINT is that he has no security in his approach at all. Any PC could talk directly to the cable modem instead of going through his gateway. |
| 21:00.29 | sniglet | hey guys, my firewall machine's HD took a dump when the power flickered, and I'm trying to pull off it what i can, but when i use scp to copy to another machine, i get infinite recursion due to symbolic links. Anyone know of an easy way around this? the only option i see for scp is -p which "preserves file creation and access dates and modes". would that preserve symbolic links too? |
| 21:00.33 | SDFH_Linux | edibletext is mpg321 a site or a program |
| 21:00.35 | Herodes | there must be a way for pc2 going out ineternet |
| 21:00.41 | greycat | Delph: AND, it's not working anyway. |
| 21:00.43 | Delph | greycat: no, that assumes that your cable modem only lets through packets for your own network. |
| 21:00.58 | Delph | which is a sensible assumption, with most of these. |
| 21:01.05 | hanoi_pm | greycat: excuse me, what's dch? man dch -> No manual entry for dch |
| 21:01.06 | bucky | 4.0.23_Debian-1-log runs over the network? |
| 21:01.07 | EdibleText | SDFH_Linux, program |
| 21:01.15 | greycat | INTERNET<---->cablemodem<--->Gateway<---->Switch<---->Rest of PCs |
| 21:01.20 | Delph | (my cable modem at home has never been hit with a packet for another ip than my own) |
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| 21:01.30 | greycat | !find bin/dch$ sarge |
| 21:01.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dch' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/dch) in devel/devscripts. |
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| 21:01.45 | SDFH_Linux | edibletext xine was working with live365 but now mysteriously it stopped working |
| 21:01.53 | Delph | greycat: thats the conventional setup, yes. but the other way works. |
| 21:01.54 | paulswm | well greycat's shift key is working OK |
| 21:01.58 | hanoi_pm | thanks! |
| 21:02.02 | greycat | Delph: clearly it does not work, since he's asking about it here. |
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| 21:02.10 | Delph | greycat: no, thats just not having it setup properly =:) |
| 21:02.22 | EdibleText | SDFH_Linux, mplayer http://live365/play/<station ID>?, or mpg321 http://live365/play/<station ID>? |
| 21:02.47 | Delph | its like saying "oh, my computer is running slowly, should i A) stop running updatedb every 5 mins B) buy more CPU/Memory. |
| 21:02.53 | Delph | but besides the point. |
| 21:02.59 | greycat | Delph: not a fair analogy. |
| 21:03.11 | Herodes | greenfly, is that how i have it |
| 21:03.24 | Delph | sorry, bucky, i'm still nosing. Specifically i'm having issues connecting to it using a java JDBC system. (its worked before) |
| 21:03.24 | zlost1 | Phated, that was super simple...thanks a bunch |
| 21:03.29 | Phated | zlost1: ? |
| 21:03.51 | SDFH_Linux | ok thanks EdibleText |
| 21:03.58 | SDFH_Linux | i appreciate the help |
| 21:04.12 | Delph | bucky: dont really need help with it atm; just noticed that someone else was having a similar problem. |
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| 21:04.24 | zlost1 | the pon thing |
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| 21:04.37 | Phated | Ah. |
| 21:04.44 | Delph | bah; |
| 21:04.51 | aakkonen | muah |
| 21:04.52 | Delph | <- idiot. |
| 21:05.05 | zlost1 | i did a quick google on pon and found pppconfig...from there everything is easy |
| 21:05.06 | FieldySnuts | ER Phated |
| 21:05.18 | FieldySnuts | woo |
| 21:05.23 | paulswm | sniglet: as I don't see an answer: unfamiliar with scp, but you could always create a directory with some diles and links and test it out |
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| 21:05.27 | paulswm | files |
| 21:05.48 | simonrvn | diles and firectories |
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| 21:06.10 | paulswm | simonrvn: yeah, that's what I meant :) |
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| 21:06.22 | greycat | sniglet: normally one would use something like "cd /src; tar cf - ." | ssh root@remotebox "cd /dest && tar xvf -" |
| 21:06.28 | Delph | Herodes: do you have NAT set up on PC1 ? |
| 21:06.33 | netwerk | anyone knows a goog email-spammer for linux? |
| 21:06.34 | greycat | bad greycat. |
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| 21:06.42 | greycat | sniglet: normally one would use something like (cd /src; tar cf - .) | ssh root@remotebox "cd /dest && tar xvf -" |
| 21:06.43 | micahf | hey guys |
| 21:06.44 | McCabe | i have a benq dvd writer.. anyone knows how/if i can upgrade the firmware without booting into windows (which isnt possible..)? |
| 21:06.54 | greycat | where the hell did I get those double quotes? :/ |
| 21:06.59 | micahf | anyone have any idea why my internet stopped working after configuration? |
| 21:07.09 | Herodes | Delgul_at_work, I have |
| 21:07.10 | greycat | you, uh, configured it wrong? |
| 21:07.10 | micahf | I used the min install disc |
| 21:07.11 | FieldySnuts | McCabe: pretty much you can't unless the manufacturer provides such a tool that doesn't need windows |
| 21:07.21 | zlost1 | is there anything like ziptools for debian ? |
| 21:07.23 | micahf | but I had it configured well enough to download everything |
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| 21:07.29 | Nekrataal | hi, is there any easy way to install the alsa modules on a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 21:07.30 | greycat | zlost1: apt-get install zip unzip |
| 21:07.31 | netwerk | are there spammers for linux?¿ |
| 21:07.31 | micahf | I have cable by the way |
| 21:07.31 | FieldySnuts | McCabe: and don't let anyone tell you wine, if it goofs up even a bit, that drive probably won't work |
| 21:07.39 | FieldySnuts | @lart netwerk |
| 21:07.40 | greycat | netwerk: no. go away. |
| 21:07.42 | Delph | zlost1: apt-cache search <insert name of thing you want> |
| 21:07.44 | simonrvn | !alsa |
| 21:07.45 | dpkg | i guess alsa is the "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" (http://www.alsa-project.org/) the replacement for OSS/Free Sound drivers. It replaces OSS (mostly) in 2.6 and offers even better hardware support than OSS. For install information in 2.6, see <alsa 2.6>; for 2.4, see <alsa tutorial>. Oh, and it defaults to muted when loading so use a mixer to get sound. Press 'M' for unmuting, turning up the sound levels isn't sufficient. |
| 21:07.48 | McCabe | FieldySnuts: thats what i thought.. :( see if i can get hold of a window live cd then |
| 21:07.48 | zlost1 | naw zip tools is for zip drives |
| 21:07.53 | McCabe | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 21:07.58 | paulswm | McCabe: you should be able to google for a DOS image for a floppy and do it from there |
| 21:08.01 | greycat | zlost1: modprobe imm (or ppa), fdisk -l /dev/sda, etc. |
| 21:08.02 | micahf | how do you configure to use dhcp? |
| 21:08.05 | EdibleText | netwerk, only the best. but you have to make them |
| 21:08.08 | Herodes | Delph: i have |
| 21:08.12 | greycat | micahf: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 21:08.15 | micahf | when I do ifconfig, eth0 shows up |
| 21:08.15 | greycat | !FAQ micahf |
| 21:08.16 | dpkg | micahf: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:08.22 | McCabe | pau4o: you think a dos image is enough, it doesent actually require win? |
| 21:08.45 | zlost1 | i can get it mounted, but it wont unmount unless forced and it wont spit out the disk |
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| 21:08.51 | McCabe | pau4o: that was for paulswm of course |
| 21:08.56 | Delph | Herodes: does the firewall allow the packets out in the right way? You pretty much need to do nothing different to the classical two NIC setup, apart from use the two interfaces on eth0 |
| 21:08.57 | micahf | cool |
| 21:09.04 | micahf | its different from gentoo |
| 21:09.09 | paulswm | McCabe: don't know, but they may provide a simple DOS-based flasher |
| 21:09.22 | McCabe | paulswm: ill see if i can find out..! thanks |
| 21:09.27 | micahf | gentoo has one network configuration from the start |
| 21:09.28 | jvw | For those who run squirrelmail, testing of the experimental squirrelmail is very appreciated, as it's a RC with quite some changes... about to be uploaded to unstable tomorrow |
| 21:09.32 | micahf | which you configure first |
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| 21:09.36 | paulswm | McCabe: I'd be surprised if they didn't |
| 21:09.40 | micahf | I think it might be trying to go ppp |
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| 21:09.58 | Herodes | delph: classicañ two NIC setup? |
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| 21:10.17 | miguellinux | Hi, I need some help about amd64 |
| 21:10.23 | Delph | Herodes: well normally you have <internet> - modem - ( NIC1 - server - NIC2) - rest of machines |
| 21:10.31 | Delph | with nic 1 + 2 having eth0 and eth1. |
| 21:10.34 | micahf | ... stupid question |
| 21:10.37 | micahf | what is nic |
| 21:10.40 | greycat | !nic |
| 21:10.41 | dpkg | nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 21:10.42 | Delph | network interface card. |
| 21:10.46 | Herodes | Delp: ok |
| 21:10.47 | micahf | ok |
| 21:10.49 | micahf | cool |
| 21:10.52 | cpt_nemo | I am trying to get the ati drivers to work on Sarge with Kernel 2.6.10 from Sid. I followed the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html but when I try to load the fglrx module, I get "fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_find_class". |
| 21:10.52 | paulswm | crap, I've spent all day here and I was planning on writing a whole bunch of C |
| 21:10.56 | cpt_nemo | Any ideas? |
| 21:11.00 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 21:11.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of three-legged platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 21:11.01 | micahf | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 21:11.03 | micahf | there it is |
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| 21:11.18 | Herodes | Delph: my router i thing has only one. This is a speedtouch |
| 21:11.36 | cthulfuego | cpt_nemo: Wait until ATI updates the drivers to work with 2.6.10 and use 2.6.9 until then. |
| 21:11.43 | Delph | Herodes: PC1 is acting as your server, and you want PC2 to NAT through PC1 to the internet. |
| 21:11.46 | Dabian | The debian menu is empty since my last update of Sarge. I cannot find any related bug in the bts. Any ideas? |
| 21:11.46 | EdibleText | paulswm, procrastination is part of the Process :) |
| 21:11.46 | micahf | ok and now for another question |
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| 21:11.59 | micahf | why did it install gnome 1.4 and not 2.8 |
| 21:12.05 | cesarbr | is there any workaround for using the lastest nvidia drivers in tsting debian (6111-1) in the lastest kernel 2.6.10? |
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| 21:12.10 | cpt_nemo | cthulfuego: Dang. I want 2.6.10 because of its improved ACPI support. Suspend might even work there... |
| 21:12.14 | paulswm | EdibleText: yes, but this is one of my projects, not a work one :) |
| 21:12.15 | cthulfuego | micahf: gnome1.4 has less bugs. |
| 21:12.16 | Dabian | micahf: Why are you interested in that? |
| 21:12.19 | Herodes | Delph: yes |
| 21:12.24 | micahf | I like 2.8 alot |
| 21:12.27 | Delph | so eth0 is being NIC1, and is on the external IP, talking only to the cable modem, and eth0:0 is on the internal IP talking only to the internal machines. |
| 21:12.38 | micahf | so apt has no 2.8? |
| 21:12.39 | cthulfuego | cpt_nemo: The joys of hardware with only close sourced drivers. ATI decides what you run, you don't. |
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| 21:12.42 | thomas_ | Hi, I need to take some screenshots of a chat software. Has anybody a problem with me taking #debian for that (privacy issues)? |
| 21:12.47 | Delph | and you have got routing turned on, haven't you? |
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| 21:12.57 | cthulfuego | micahf: 2.8 in sid, 2.6 in sarge(I think) and 1.4 in Woody. |
| 21:12.58 | Phated | thomas_: Take it in your status window. |
| 21:13.01 | streuner_ | micahf: woody/stable have 1.4 |
| 21:13.10 | streuner_ | s/have/has/ |
| 21:13.11 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Proprietary. |
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| 21:13.23 | Herodes | delph: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.0.2 && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:13.26 | streuner_ | !info gnome-session sarge |
| 21:13.27 | MrKrystal | hi. I'd like to have a vnc server on DISPLAY 0 that is invisible for the user. All i found (vino, x0rfbserver, krfb) is VISIBLE. Any idea ? |
| 21:13.27 | miguellinux | hi, where I can find a deb repository for sarge amd 64? |
| 21:13.28 | Dabian | cthulfuego: 2.8 in sarge, afaik. |
| 21:13.28 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 437 kB, Installed size: 1430 kB |
| 21:13.35 | Herodes | delph: just? |
| 21:13.37 | cpt_nemo | The manufacturer of a laptop decides on the hardware... |
| 21:13.41 | Willis | anyone set up a small cluster ? |
| 21:13.43 | micahf | hmmm which release is which |
| 21:13.44 | cesarbr | is there any workaround for using the lastest nvidia drivers in tsting debian (6111-1) in the lastest kernel 2.6.10? or something else that can fix this? |
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| 21:13.48 | micahf | they downgraded then? |
| 21:13.50 | cthulfuego | cpt_nemo: ... and the software, it seems. |
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| 21:13.59 | Delph | Herodes: you sure about that --to flag? |
| 21:14.00 | cpt_nemo | Well, thanks anyways. |
| 21:14.07 | Dabian | cesarbr: Thats a nother question I have .. there used to be the nvidia-kernel package |
| 21:14.14 | cthulfuego | cesarbr: /join #nvidia, read topic. fetchd river patch. |
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| 21:14.23 | Dabian | cesarbr: Seems that some nvidia hater removed it. |
| 21:14.25 | thomas_ | Phated: What do mean with "taking it into status window"? |
| 21:14.29 | Delph | nothing going 'to' 192.168 (which i assume is your internal network) will be going out eth0 (which i assume is your cable modem) |
| 21:14.32 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: change the nick, its irritating me. |
| 21:14.36 | cthulfuego | Dabian: it's in non-free. |
| 21:14.38 | Dabian | cesarbr: But I don't know the background. |
| 21:15.05 | cthulfuego | streuner_: /help ignore |
| 21:15.05 | cesarbr | cthulfuego: actually they sent me there :) |
| 21:15.05 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Cool .. how do I add non-free? |
| 21:15.05 | Phated | thomas_: You know your window that shows all your server motds and stuff... That window. |
| 21:15.05 | Herodes | delph: i am asking you . :) not sure at all |
| 21:15.06 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Never mind .. |
| 21:15.07 | Delph | Herodes: well, are the bits in brackets correct? |
| 21:15.08 | cthulfuego | Dabian: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free after main. |
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| 21:15.16 | micahf | where do you change x startup? |
| 21:15.17 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Thanks |
| 21:15.18 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: I don't use /ignore |
| 21:15.20 | dur | is there a command I can type that will list make and model of my nic card? TIA |
| 21:15.25 | Dabian | streuner_: Your loss. |
| 21:15.26 | micahf | when I startup it goes to gdm |
| 21:15.33 | micahf | can I change that back |
| 21:15.33 | cthulfuego | streuner_: I don't change nicks coz someone tells me to. |
| 21:15.36 | cpt_nemo | dur: lspci |
| 21:15.40 | Dabian | streuner_: Or the other way around ;-) |
| 21:15.43 | dur | thank you |
| 21:15.48 | micahf | so that it stays in the console? |
| 21:15.55 | Herodes | Delph: sorrry i am not english. |
| 21:15.55 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Why do you change nicks then? |
| 21:15.57 | Phated | micahf: Sure. Uninstall gdm. |
| 21:16.07 | Herodes | may be in other way? |
| 21:16.07 | cthulfuego | Dabian: Normally when I feel like it. |
| 21:16.11 | Malf | anyone know offhand what error -6 is from vesafb? |
| 21:16.11 | FieldySnuts | raven: win Phated |
| 21:16.17 | sussudio | !lose FieldySnuts |
| 21:16.18 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 21:16.18 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: You Lose. |
| 21:16.20 | FieldySnuts | ;/ |
| 21:16.27 | Delph | Herodes: can you put the contents of the following into a pastebin somewhere? |
| 21:16.30 | Willis | anyone here set up a cluster ? |
| 21:16.30 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Sounds somewhat sane. :) |
| 21:16.38 | FieldySnuts | yeah. a cluster fuck. |
| 21:16.46 | sussudio | clusterlizard fuck |
| 21:16.51 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You still owe me those lessons. :) |
| 21:16.52 | Delph | route -n ; ifconfig ; iptables-save |
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| 21:16.56 | lnx | hi |
| 21:16.57 | FieldySnuts | in Soviet Russia, Clusters fuck you. |
| 21:17.01 | cthulfuego | Dabian: Stop accosing me of being sane, or I'll have the ops remove you from the channel! ;-) |
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| 21:17.27 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Well, you don't have to be sane, just because you make a sane statement, right? |
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| 21:17.35 | sobersabre | Willis, what is the question ? |
| 21:17.49 | nvz | I hope that window is frozen and your tounge sticks to it |
| 21:17.56 | micahf | but I want gdm |
| 21:18.07 | Dabian | nvz: You're evil. May you burn in hell forever. |
| 21:18.07 | micahf | I just don't want it to open right away sometimes |
| 21:18.12 | micahf | but I guess it doesn't matter |
| 21:18.19 | Phated | So stop bitching about it starting on boot. That's what DMs do. |
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| 21:18.26 | Roey | hello |
| 21:18.30 | Willis | looking at setting up a small cluster ... to learn... curious how it preforms .. |
| 21:18.44 | cthulfuego | nvz: It's mid-summer now and it never freezes here in winter, EVER. |
| 21:18.50 | zlost1 | wasup Willis |
| 21:18.53 | Roey | is it possible to make apt-get grab "chunks" of files from different mirrors in parallel? |
| 21:18.58 | micahf | whats the command to upgrade debian? |
| 21:19.01 | micahf | to the latest version |
| 21:19.06 | micahf | the kernel and base? |
| 21:19.09 | greycat | micahf: man apt-get |
| 21:19.09 | Roey | micahf: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:19.10 | zlost1 | from what i understand mosix is automatic |
| 21:19.10 | nvz | cthulfuego: yeah they said the same thing about Texas, then I showed up and brought the snow with me |
| 21:19.15 | micahf | awesome |
| 21:19.17 | micahf | thanks alot guys |
| 21:19.17 | cthulfuego | Roey: I saw 'apt-torrent' somewhere, but I dunno how official and/or stable that is. |
| 21:19.18 | micahf | ! |
| 21:19.19 | Dabian | Phated: They stop B****ing? |
| 21:19.26 | Roey | cthulfuego: thanks |
| 21:19.33 | zlost1 | im about to setup a small cluster as well |
| 21:19.34 | Roey | cthulfuego: interesting mutation of your nick |
| 21:19.34 | Phated | You're ALL letting him upgrade to sid? You're crazy, the lot of you. |
| 21:19.36 | cthulfuego | nvz: I'm talking about REAL places. |
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| 21:19.46 | Dabian | Phated: Who? |
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| 21:19.48 | Willis | thinking of trying this -- Clusterix |
| 21:19.48 | Phated | Dabian: If you yell at them enough. |
| 21:19.59 | cthulfuego | Roey: This os is handly when hungry. |
| 21:20.05 | Dabian | Phated: Heh .. maybe I yell too little. |
| 21:20.06 | sussudio | !seen fucktards |
| 21:20.07 | zlost1 | im using cluster knoppix for mine |
| 21:20.09 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fucktards', sussudio |
| 21:20.10 | deadcat | damn. everyone is using WPA now. )= |
| 21:20.12 | cthulfuego | Sadly still can't type. |
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| 21:20.19 | Dabian | !seen sussudio |
| 21:20.19 | dpkg | sussudio is currently on #debian (2d 4h 9m 20s). Has said a total of 24476 messages. Is idling for 13s |
| 21:20.26 | Roey | cthulfuego: hehe |
| 21:20.30 | sussudio | !fuck ppj2 |
| 21:20.31 | cthulfuego | deadcat: only people whose |
| 21:20.35 | Phated | sussudio: No more stabby of ppj2? |
| 21:20.35 | nvz | cthulfuego: oh, Texas is just my imagination then.. there is nothing here but ocean between Oklahoma and Mexico? |
| 21:20.37 | cthulfuego | APs default to WPA. |
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| 21:20.49 | cthulfuego | nvz: Between WHAT and Mexico? |
| 21:20.51 | Roey | hmm. 4:20 PM here. |
| 21:20.52 | deadcat | cthulfuego: ? |
| 21:20.57 | cthulfuego | nvz: canada? |
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| 21:21.01 | deadcat | oh |
| 21:21.18 | nvz | cthulfuego: OK, Oklahoma |
| 21:21.24 | cthulfuego | nvz: huh? |
| 21:21.30 | Herodes | Delph: sorry. i was away. What do you really want to see? |
| 21:21.38 | sussudio | who removed fuck from dpkg? |
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| 21:21.52 | cthulfuego | sussudio: The christian right. |
| 21:21.54 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 21:21.56 | greycat | dpkg: fuck bot-abusers |
| 21:21.56 | dpkg | greycat: wish i knew |
| 21:21.58 | deadcat | fuck if i know |
| 21:21.59 | sussudio | cthulfuego: RichiH? |
| 21:22.04 | paulswm | sussudio: it was there earlier today |
| 21:22.07 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: probably |
| 21:22.09 | Delph | Herodes: route -n ; ifconfig ; iptables-save |
| 21:22.14 | justin | !factinfo fuck |
| 21:22.14 | dpkg | fuck -- it has been requested 138 times, last by hipp|away, 1d 12h 26m 1s ago. |
| 21:22.25 | Phated | !factinfo cmd: fuck (.*?) |
| 21:22.25 | dpkg | Phated: there's no such factoid as CMD: fuck (.*?) |
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| 21:22.28 | FieldySnuts | lame |
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| 21:22.30 | Phated | Fucking MORON. |
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| 21:22.33 | paulswm | the bot is lying |
| 21:22.34 | Phated | Whoever it was. |
| 21:22.36 | nostalg1c | how can i check if my php has mysql support? i installed php4-mysql, but postfixadmin tells me i don't have mysql support... phpinfo lists MySQL as supported database for dbx |
| 21:22.41 | cthulfuego | @fuck sussudio |
| 21:22.48 | Dabian | Phated: That? |
| 21:22.49 | FieldySnuts | who sussudio mentioned does like to remove such things |
| 21:22.51 | cthulfuego | that's why we have multiple bots |
| 21:22.52 | FieldySnuts | party pooper |
| 21:23.00 | FieldySnuts | @moron dpkg |
| 21:23.00 | streuner_ | haha, we have a nice discussion here now :-)) |
| 21:23.01 | Phated | It better not be that fucking idiot who didn't like the word fuck. |
| 21:23.01 | ravenbird | dpkg: You are moron #55 |
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| 21:23.14 | Phated | Dabian: -What-? |
| 21:23.25 | cthulfuego | nostalg1c: If phpinfo() lists mysql, the support works. |
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| 21:23.34 | greycat | dondelelcaro: We need to be able to ask the bot "Who removed factoid _____?". And it needs to work with CMD: factoids, too. |
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| 21:23.47 | nostalg1c | cthulfuego, but where exactly should it list it :) is it enough to have it in the "dbx" section, or should it have a proper "mysql" section ? |
| 21:23.50 | Phated | paulswm: The. Bot. Never. Lies. |
| 21:23.52 | Dabian | Phated: Well .. you were complaining (quite loudly) about some unknown entity, I wondered why. |
| 21:23.56 | FieldySnuts | better yet why is just anyone able to tell it to forget something. |
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| 21:24.10 | paulswm | Phated: yeah I was confusing it with the other one |
| 21:24.14 | greycat | FieldySnuts: there was a great deal of debate about that a few years ago. |
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| 21:24.21 | Dabian | Phated: But maybe this is not the time to ask. :-P |
| 21:24.25 | Phated | Dabian: And... you care, why? If you can't follow a rather obvious thread of convo... |
| 21:24.25 | FieldySnuts | greycat: there's a lot more douche bags here now, though. |
| 21:24.29 | streuner_ | FieldySnuts: in case you created something wrong? |
| 21:24.31 | cthulfuego | nostalg1c: It should have a full mysql section. make sure 'mysql.so' is loaded in your php.ini file (and restart apache) |
| 21:24.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Oy! I resent that. |
| 21:24.47 | Dabian | Phated: Well, if all this was in danish, I am sure you'd have trouble keeping up. |
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| 21:24.49 | nostalg1c | cthulfuego, that might be what's missing, i'll check that right away, thanks |
| 21:25.11 | Willis | i'm thinking of setting up a very small cluster ... ? curious what to expect ? |
| 21:25.12 | Phated | Dabian: Are you able to speak English? Yes. Am I able to speak Danish? No. Bad comparison? Yes. |
| 21:25.16 | FieldySnuts | yeah well people abuse it to forget factoids they didn't make. shrug, if it gets bad enough it'll get modified |
| 21:25.30 | FieldySnuts | !! |
| 21:25.40 | FieldySnuts | asl? |
| 21:25.42 | greycat | FieldySnuts: certain users were banned from the bot for mass deletions in the past. |
| 21:25.43 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
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| 21:25.45 | Phated | Dabian: Easy enough to follow? |
| 21:26.01 | Dabian | Phated: Your sarcasm is wasted. |
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| 21:26.14 | Phated | It's not sarcasm. I'm being serious. |
| 21:26.24 | FieldySnuts | Phated: don't let the morons get you down |
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| 21:26.30 | Phated | greycat: The bot automatically places on ignore someone who !forget's often enough, no? |
| 21:26.35 | priest | is the kernelsource in woody updated from the uselib-exploit? |
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| 21:26.49 | Phated | Well, often enough in a short period of time. |
| 21:26.54 | Dabian | Phated: YOu can restore a factoid. |
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| 21:27.06 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have the server with mplayer on it? |
| 21:27.17 | Dabian | Phated: I don't remember if its "unforget", or what it is. |
| 21:27.28 | EdibleText | SDFH_Linux, /m dpkg mplayer |
| 21:27.35 | Phated | Oh, really. |
| 21:27.36 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 21:27.41 | SDFH_Linux | on there site correct |
| 21:27.41 | cthulfuego | !listkeys fuck |
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| 21:27.59 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fuck' by key (15 shown; 58 total): fuckeduppedness ;; fucking sheep ;; cmd: fuckstats (.*?) ;; CMD: fucking (.*?) ;; then what the fuck good ;; fucked ;; i'm a fucking retard ;; fucko ;; fingerfuck ;; twho the fuck ;; shutthefuckup ;; sourceforge fucked ;; is tab a horse fucker ;; cmd: fuckyou stop (.*?) ;; crapfuck (.?*). |
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| 21:28.22 | cthulfuego | 58. typical. |
| 21:28.35 | Malf | Anyone have any clue what error -6 is in the following: vesafb: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6 |
| 21:28.36 | Malf | ? |
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| 21:28.43 | Phated | Well... It's #debian, home of the fuckity fuck fuck. |
| 21:28.45 | jazzmanss | how do I create a symbolic link to /dev/null ? |
| 21:28.48 | Kerr | How do I play .mvg files ? |
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| 21:28.56 | cthulfuego | I suppose that's why I defected. |
| 21:29.01 | Phated | To? |
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| 21:29.04 | Dabian | Anyhow .. since the channel seems less than usefull, I will part shortly. |
| 21:29.05 | mcmehl | why isn't azureus in debian src-tree? |
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| 21:29.07 | streuner_ | cthulfuego: hm, so it wasn't without any sense (forget !fuck)... |
| 21:29.11 | cthulfuego | Ub.... |
| 21:29.22 | Phated | Hah. |
| 21:29.25 | greycat | mcmehl: debian has no source tree... and azureus would have to be in contrib at best, being a java thing. |
| 21:29.31 | cekor | Can anybody please suggest a way of altering the size of the text I type (user and pass) in GDM? It's too small, but the rest of the text (Welcome to whatever) is fine. |
| 21:29.46 | Dabian | The debian menu is empty since my last update of Sarge. I cannot find any related bug in the bts. Any ideas? |
| 21:29.50 | jazzmanss | I've got a file /home/user/.xsession-errors that is filling up at the rate of a gig a day, how do I link it to /dev/null so it doesn't fill my hdd? |
| 21:29.53 | Phated | Isn't there some kind of GUI magic menu? |
| 21:29.54 | paulswm | jazzmans: ln -s |
| 21:30.03 | N-MAN | hello :) |
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| 21:30.18 | Dabian | Phated: There used to be, now its gone, I am stuck with the gnome menu. |
| 21:30.18 | nvz | cekor: how about going to the actions menu > configure gdm > fonts |
| 21:30.25 | veleno | i installed the jdk1.5 from sun, but if I do a java -version i get the blackdown version. i'm un debian/unstable. what should I do ? |
| 21:30.26 | nostalg1c | cthulfuego, great, that was the problem. did debian tell me to do this and did i overlook it, or was i just supposed to know? :) |
| 21:30.27 | jazzmanss | paulswm: ln -s name of file /dev/null ? |
| 21:30.29 | Phated | streuner_: It would actually be !forget cmd: fuck (.*?) |
| 21:30.30 | cthulfuego | jazzmanss: Stop running buggy software. |
| 21:30.32 | mcmehl | geycat: all right... |
| 21:30.33 | Phated | Dabian: Not to you. |
| 21:30.34 | nvz | Dabian: check to see if the menu package is installed |
| 21:30.41 | Phated | To... cekor. |
| 21:30.44 | FieldySnuts | @fuck dpkg and !forget |
| 21:30.45 | jazzmanss | haha cthulfuego. running sarge with xfce4 |
| 21:30.47 | paulswm | jazzmans: yes but i don't know if it'll work as you expecet, never tried it |
| 21:30.54 | cesarbr | Hi I just asked here a while ago about anything that could be made to use the testing debian nvidia driver (the old 6111-1) in new kernels like 2.6.10, where they conflict with wmalloc stuff, or maybe installing new drivers from somewhere else, but I rebooted and lost my awnser. Can a wise soul awnser me again? |
| 21:30.56 | Dabian | nvz: Why would it disappear? (I'll check though). |
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| 21:31.00 | nvz | Dabian: if nessicary file a bug against it |
| 21:31.05 | cthulfuego | jazzmanss: Yes. Check what software logs so much crap and stop running it. |
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| 21:31.07 | spart | Can anyone recommend a webhost that offers a dedicated server w/ debian and some sort of control panel (plesk, cpanel, etc) that is reasonably cheap ? |
| 21:31.25 | streuner_ | Phated: sure... |
| 21:31.28 | greycat | FieldySnuts: the problem is that ravenbird's "CMD: fuck (.*?)" isn't the same as dpkg's. I enhanced dpkg's a while ago. |
| 21:31.32 | Dabian | Package: menu |
| 21:31.32 | Dabian | Status: install ok installed |
| 21:31.32 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 21:31.37 | jazzmanss | uh, .xfreesession-errors is written by X no? |
| 21:31.39 | cthulfuego | greycat: how about apt? |
| 21:31.44 | Phated | So someone with knowledge of the bot... *narrows eyes* |
| 21:31.46 | EdibleText | Kerr, google for 'mvg file' or something |
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| 21:31.51 | Dabian | nvz: I don't file bugs. |
| 21:31.54 | streuner_ | apt, fuck foo |
| 21:31.55 | nvz | Dabian: the menu package generates all the menus from the *DM session menus, to the *DE main menus, as well as the debian menu, using scripts. its either a bug in the script or you got something overriding it |
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| 21:32.01 | cthulfuego | jazzmanss: No, anything that runs under X also logs there. Did you *look* at the file contents at all? |
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| 21:32.11 | nvz | Dabian: you could just say "I'm a useless whiner" |
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| 21:32.25 | paulswm | @lart Dabian |
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| 21:32.34 | Phated | nvz: Aim, fire, burn. |
| 21:32.37 | cekor | I can't see any way to change the font or its size in the GUI setup thing :/ |
| 21:32.37 | Phated | !nvz++ |
| 21:32.41 | Dabian | nvz: Well .. you're right I guess. |
| 21:33.05 | Dabian | nvz: Sorry bout sending you to hell, but it was joke. |
| 21:33.14 | valdyn_ | cesarbr: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=42964, dont skip the posts by ckolivas in that thread |
| 21:33.17 | jazzmanss | cthulfuego it's a 10 gig file, I can't open it. I looked at it when it was much smaller, and the errors were kate related. |
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| 21:33.40 | cesarbr | valdyn_: god bless thy soul |
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| 21:35.07 | paulswm | Phated: it's like 0535 in sg, you been up all night, kiddo? |
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| 21:35.21 | cekor | hmm, another question to do with GDM - any idea why the GUI setup program crashes for me when i try to scroll the image preview on the standard greeter screen? |
| 21:35.27 | Smerdyakov | Has anyone gotten auto-learning to work with SpamAssassin 3? |
| 21:35.28 | Phated | paulswm: Woke up at 1630 yesterday. |
| 21:35.34 | jazzmanss | cthulfuego: ksirc: WARNING: Can't find Font: helvetica is the sum total of the errors reported currently in .xsession-errors. I'm running xfce4.0 and have kde installed, so I can call kde apps. suggestions? |
| 21:35.37 | paulswm | Phated: aaah |
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| 21:36.00 | Phated | paulswm: Indeed. Speak not of my internal clock. ntpd has given up on me and now works on my machine only. |
| 21:36.08 | paulswm | Phated: so you're pretty much on US time, heh |
| 21:36.27 | Phated | paulswm: Nooottt really. :) More UK. |
| 21:36.40 | Phated | If you do the times... I woke up at 0830 GMT. :) |
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| 21:37.21 | Dabian | hmm. |
| 21:37.21 | greycat | dpkg, fuck $1 is <action> fucks $1 ((gently|roughly|vigorously|like a (porn star|crazed (weasel|badger)) |)(from behind |)((with a ((glass|pink) dildo|(Hitachi |)vibrator) |)(, and comes (softly|loudly)|) |
| 21:37.22 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 21:37.30 | cesarbr | can someone tell me why nvidia packages are soooooooooooo old in testing debian? =/ looks like they haven't been updated for 5 months |
| 21:37.39 | paulswm | Phated: I always get up around 0400-0500, that's why, forget normal people sleep longer |
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| 21:38.01 | Dabian | greycat: Heh .. what a lot of work for a **** |
| 21:38.14 | Equinox | For some reason root can't login via ttys/1 saying something about insecure terminal... How can I change this behavior? |
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| 21:38.27 | greycat | Dabian: unfortunately... it's not correct. Doesn't randomize at all. :( |
| 21:38.35 | paulswm | Dabian: oh, countless people have worked a *lot* harder for a **** |
| 21:38.36 | Phated | paulswm: Nah, when I'm on regular time like at school and shit I used to wake up 0330 and sleep about 0030 or so. |
| 21:38.37 | greycat | dpkg, forget CMD: fuck (.*?) |
| 21:38.37 | dpkg | i forgot CMD: fuck (.*?), greycat |
| 21:38.47 | greycat | I'll try it in pieces, in #debian-bots instead. |
| 21:38.51 | iMeXdiAC | id like to shape my network traffic that i generate (equalize) .. as the traffic flow peaks and drops from 70k to 10k .. ? |
| 21:38.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 21:39.05 | nvz | Equinox: everytime you try to log on as root to a serial console, beat your self with a 2x4, that'll change your behavior |
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| 21:39.53 | Equinox | nvz- This is a virtual server running under UML |
| 21:40.01 | Equinox | nvz- I need to login this way... It's the only way when network isn't working. |
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| 21:40.30 | nvz | Equinox: *shrug* I have no idea.. I was just commenting on the changing of behaviors |
| 21:40.44 | Equinox | nvz- Heh. |
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| 21:40.59 | mrstocks | hi im trying to get something like this to work : find /home/mrstocks/mp3/ -name "*.mp3" -print |xargs { cp $1 /tmp } but i dont understand the manual -:( |
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| 21:41.14 | Dabian | OK .. please help me generate GNOME menus? |
| 21:41.43 | Equinox | #auth requisite pam_securetty.so |
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| 21:41.46 | Equinox | Found it :) |
| 21:41.47 | Dabian | update-menus doesn't seem to be enough .. or do I have to kill the panel? |
| 21:41.50 | nsa | put a \; at the end |
| 21:41.57 | Dabian | nsa: Oh? |
| 21:42.00 | Bogaurd | my kernel says it's ext3 support is 'experimental' is it still safeley usable? i am running kernel 2.4.18 |
| 21:42.14 | chealer | cesarbr: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers.html |
| 21:42.17 | Dabian | nsa: What does that do? |
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| 21:42.31 | Phated | Dabian: I think that was to mrstocks. |
| 21:42.33 | Xylene | what is the latest debian? testing? |
| 21:42.41 | Dabian | Phated: Thanks |
| 21:42.47 | chealer | cesarbr: or http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-modules-i386 |
| 21:42.51 | Phated | Xylene: No, the latest released Debian is as always stable. |
| 21:42.55 | ambycrao | i downloaded alsa-drivers to get my soundcard work, when i run ./configure it say "problably missing /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h" - what does it mean ? |
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| 21:42.56 | BlackJudas | q: I'm changing a drive, i use grub as the bootloader, i run grub-install /dev/hdc and it tells me it does not have a corresponding bios drive? |
| 21:42.56 | nsa | Dabian i was espeaking to mr stooks |
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| 21:43.05 | paulswm | Bogaurd: I used it when I was running such ancient kernels |
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| 21:43.14 | Dabian | nsa: Yes, Phated was kinda enough to hint me about it. :-) |
| 21:43.17 | Xylene | i mean the newest one, like sid or sarge? i get those two mixed up. woody is to old for me |
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| 21:43.32 | Dabian | nsa: kind enough |
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| 21:43.33 | mrstocks | nsa, i alwas get this error: xargs: unmatched single quote |
| 21:43.37 | jazzmanss | OK, this is being written over and over to my .xsession-errors file : ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:490:(snd_pcm_hw_delay) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_DELAY failed: File descriptor in bad state. since I've been in this irc (ten minutes or so) it's written 1300 lines of this. |
| 21:43.40 | Phated | Sid is always unstable. |
| 21:43.46 | greycat | mrstocks: -print0 and xargs -0 |
| 21:43.46 | Xylene | so sarge is testing? |
| 21:43.48 | Dabian | mrstocks: Learn about shell escaping. |
| 21:43.54 | Phated | Currently, Xylene, yes. |
| 21:43.54 | justin | nsa: how is \; any way related to that incorrect command line? |
| 21:43.59 | chealer | Xylene: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 21:44.03 | dvs | Xylene: for now |
| 21:44.18 | mrstocks | Yeaah greycat Dabian thanks |
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| 21:44.35 | TinyIRC | can someone tell me how to get into x configurator in debian? |
| 21:44.39 | Dabian | Phated: Sometimes I wonder how to manage to keep it that way, but given enough developers and complexity, I guess thats the way it is. |
| 21:44.47 | mrstocks | Gurr i get filename too long |
| 21:44.49 | Dabian | TinyIRC: Yes. |
| 21:44.54 | Phated | Dabian: Keep what what way? |
| 21:45.03 | TinyIRC | how? |
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| 21:45.07 | Dabian | Phated: Unstable unstable. |
| 21:45.12 | Dabian | Phated: Sid. |
| 21:45.12 | valdyn_ | ambycrao: you downloaded what? |
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| 21:45.25 | dvs | TinyIRC: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 21:45.27 | jazzmanss | I dunno what to do, where to look to resolve this, any suggestions/ pointers to where I should be looking? |
| 21:45.29 | Phated | Dabian: It's not hard. |
| 21:45.29 | Dabian | TinyIRC: Well. They simply tell you, I guess. |
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| 21:45.40 | Phated | TinyIRC: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:45.43 | ambycrao | valdyn_: alsa drivers for my soundcard |
| 21:45.47 | toubsu | is there a command to check hardware RAID status? |
| 21:45.57 | valdyn_ | ambycrao: which debian package? |
| 21:45.58 | Dabian | toubsu: Maybe. |
| 21:46.02 | paulswm | jazzmans: did you try googling the error message |
| 21:46.11 | streuner__ | toubsu: cat /proc/md |
| 21:46.20 | Dabian | toubsu: You running raid-0 ? |
| 21:46.22 | paulswm | jazzmanss: did you try googling the error message |
| 21:46.29 | ambycrao | valdyn_: downloaded it from the web |
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| 21:46.35 | toubsu | Dabian: RAID 1 |
| 21:46.37 | Dabian | toubsu: SCSI or promise ? |
| 21:46.42 | Dabian | toubsu: Mirroring? |
| 21:46.44 | toubsu | streuner__: no file |
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| 21:46.49 | toubsu | Dabian: SCSI |
| 21:46.53 | Dabian | toubsu: Good :) |
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| 21:47.17 | valdyn_ | ambycrao: apt-get install alsa-source if you want to build alsa drivers |
| 21:47.38 | Fluten | my drive recently stopped working, so i copied over a .bashrc and .bashprofile after making a new home directory somewhere else, and now xterm won't display any umlauts |
| 21:47.49 | Fluten | i have the locales enabled, so should it be working? |
| 21:47.52 | ambycrao | valdyn_: ah, ok thanks |
| 21:48.10 | Dabian | Fluten: In other words, you encountered a bug? |
| 21:48.19 | jazzmanss | paulswm; bug 287583 :( |
| 21:48.27 | Phated | Fluten: You'll need to replicate whatever changes you made to your original .bashrc and .bash_profiles. |
| 21:48.30 | Fluten | Dabian, it was working fine with my old home directory |
| 21:48.41 | sgeigerbot | Can someone help me troubleshoot networking on my laptop? Even though my machine is apparently talking DHCP to a dhcp server...and apparently getting an IP address (as witnessed by the console output), "ifconfig" and "route -n" do not show any indication that my machine is getting an IP address. Why might that be? http://www.ncee.net/typescript has the list of all the commands that I used. (I halted my machine beforehand to |
| 21:48.41 | sgeigerbot | make sure I had a known state before running these commands.) |
| 21:48.42 | paulswm | jazzmanss: there ya go, I googled before I suggested it :) |
| 21:48.47 | Phated | In other words, the defaults probably won't work. |
| 21:48.48 | Dabian | Fluten: Sounds like a grave error .. check the BTS. |
| 21:48.55 | paulswm | so its XMMS |
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| 21:49.09 | Phated | Dabian: It's not. Unless he did everything to the new files that he did to the previous ones. |
| 21:49.17 | jazzmanss | yeah, or it's an error in libasound2. |
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| 21:49.34 | Fluten | Dabian, the debian files are exactly the same, just a new home directory, so how could it be a problem in debian? |
| 21:49.36 | Dabian | Phated: Ahh .. you're right .. my logic is weak |
| 21:49.38 | Phated | You can't restore the state of an object without everything that affects the state of it also being restored. |
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| 21:49.55 | jazzmanss | sheit, the only thing this computer does is stream my music to my stereo. damn. |
| 21:49.56 | Phated | Dabian: Watch the Matrix a little more. Cause and effect. :) |
| 21:50.05 | Fluten | and doesn't it usually display umlauts by default in the term windows? |
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| 21:50.15 | Dabian | Phated: I still havn't seen the Animatix. |
| 21:50.16 | pango_loco | hm, if I don't like the options a binary package has been built with and the deb-src is available can I rebuild it with different params? |
| 21:50.19 | Phated | Fluten: Did you, at any time, with your old config files, make changes? |
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| 21:50.26 | Phated | Dabian: The Animatrix is awesome. |
| 21:50.30 | Fluten | Phated, no |
| 21:50.32 | sgeigerbot | pango_loco: of course |
| 21:50.38 | Phated | Fluten: Sure? |
| 21:50.46 | Fluten | Phated, yes |
| 21:50.49 | paulswm | jazzmanss: I guess from your nick that this bug is a real pisser |
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| 21:50.53 | pango_loco | sgeigerbot: er "how do I rebuild it" feel free to direct me to manpages/documentation |
| 21:51.13 | Phated | Well then. Work through it, because you did something, -somewhere-, before your disk failed. |
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| 21:51.33 | Dabian | Fluten: You mentioned you copied the files, and your harddrive went to the ethernal data-fields? |
| 21:51.34 | Phated | Also, could it be that you were using xterm-utf8 before? |
| 21:51.35 | jazzmanss | yeah, 700 Gig of wavs (all legally purchased), that I'm having trouble accessing. |
| 21:51.50 | Phated | jazzmanss: Encode, encode! |
| 21:51.53 | Fluten | Dabian, i copied the bash files over from another account |
| 21:51.54 | sgeigerbot | pango_loco: in a nutshell: sudo PACKAGENAME=curator apt-get build-dep $PACKAGENAME && apt-get source -b $PACKAGENAME |
| 21:52.06 | Fluten | Dabian, and i havn't touched any config files, or used apt since it failed |
| 21:52.09 | sgeigerbot | pango_loco: That gets the source and dependencies. |
| 21:52.18 | jazzmanss | Phated, if you mean encode to mp3, there's too much sound quality loss even at max bitrate. |
| 21:52.19 | Dabian | Fluten: Listen to what Phated suggested. |
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| 21:52.28 | Phated | jazzmanss: I meant OGG. :) |
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| 21:52.34 | Phated | Who uses mp3 anyway? :) |
| 21:52.36 | sgeigerbot | pango_loco: ...and puts them into the current directory. Inside that you should be able to find compiling instructions. |
| 21:52.36 | Dabian | Fluten: I think she solved you. |
| 21:52.42 | nostalg1c | Phated, the whole world? :) |
| 21:52.52 | Phated | nostalg1c: And they use windows too, don't they? :) |
| 21:52.59 | Phated | I rest my case. |
| 21:53.05 | sgeigerbot | pango_loco: Don't forget to install dpkg-dev and debhelper. |
| 21:53.08 | Fluten | i'll try rsyncing my debian files from 5 days before it failed |
| 21:53.11 | tosh | I have a base installed system, but my NIC is not supported so im trying to use my onboard wireless card. the airo.o module loads but I have no iwconfig binary to configure channel/essid etc. how do I proceed here? any way of configuring the wireless device through proc or something? |
| 21:53.15 | nostalg1c | the whole world also inhales oxygen :) |
| 21:53.15 | pango_loco | sgeigerbot: excellent, thanks |
| 21:53.16 | Fluten | and see if it still doesn't work |
| 21:53.21 | jazzmanss | I haven't messed with Ogg much yet. I suppose I should start. |
| 21:53.25 | ambycrao | Im configuring the alsa-source, what does "build alsa driver with isa pnp" mean ? pnp=plug&play ? |
| 21:53.34 | Phated | Fluten: Check into the utf-8 issue too, even though I've never used it myself. |
| 21:53.37 | Dabian | How much is windows these days? Nah .. I know I will sorrowly regret it... |
| 21:53.49 | paulswm | nostalg1c: well apart from plants, which inhale carbon dioxide |
| 21:53.55 | Phated | jazzmanss: apt-get install vorbis-tools. Granted, it's still a lossy codec. |
| 21:54.01 | Dabian | Phated: I don't think he got your hint before. |
| 21:54.04 | nostalg1c | paulswm, perhaps that is the future :) |
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| 21:54.15 | Dabian | flac is nice :) |
| 21:54.17 | nostalg1c | paulswm, then again, plants also don't use windows or mp3 :) |
| 21:54.31 | paulswm | nostalg1c: and I say that because there are occational visitors here who resemble vegetation |
| 21:54.32 | Phated | paulswm: Actually, plants respire too. They just produce more oxygen than they take in during the day. At night, they don't produce oxygen, but take it in. |
| 21:54.36 | jazzmanss | well, I"m gonna boot a knoppix disk on this machine, at least till this bug gets fixed. thanks cthulfuego/paulswm/phated. |
| 21:54.37 | Fluten | the only good thing about mp3 is lots of cheap hardware players support it |
| 21:54.40 | nostalg1c | paulswm :)) |
| 21:54.45 | Phated | jazzmanss: Have a nice Debian day. |
| 21:54.57 | Dabian | Fluten: There are support for ogg vorbis also. |
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| 21:54.58 | Phated | Shiznit, I actually adopted that unconsciously. |
| 21:55.04 | nostalg1c | #Debian.. Start with OGG, end up with.. plants and oxygen. |
| 21:55.13 | Phated | Yeah. Gotta love it. |
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| 21:55.52 | paulswm | nostalg1c: actually ended with visitors resembling vegetation, so it did kind of get back to debian :) |
| 21:56.07 | smj | Is someone here an ogg fan? |
| 21:56.35 | Phated | Most people, probably. |
| 21:56.42 | Phated | Ogg Vorbis is cool. |
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| 21:56.47 | smj | Hey, all my music is in ogg vorbis. |
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| 21:57.02 | Phated | Well, that's good. |
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| 21:57.07 | nostalg1c | i still do mp3, but mostly because my ipod plays mp3.. |
| 21:57.08 | smj | Okay, that's not entirely true, but all of my ripped music is in ogg vorbis. |
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| 21:57.25 | Phated | Yeah, the downloaded stuff... |
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| 21:57.38 | sgeigerbot | pango_loco: Check out these packages as well: apt-src build-essential deb-get apt-show-source debnest |
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| 21:57.55 | malcster | can anyone tell me what I should format a drive to using cfdisk so that both Windows 98 and Debian can get to it? |
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| 21:58.05 | Phated | malcster: fat32. |
| 21:58.08 | UberNeiztichian | ok, i am new to linux, and i am attempting to configure my onboard nic. the module needed is supposedly "via-rhine" as found ont he web. I attempted "modprobe via-rhine" and got a failure... what am i overlooking or missing? |
| 21:58.13 | malcster | I tried Win95 Fat 32 with LBA but debian keeps saying bad superblock |
| 21:58.19 | malcster | or bad option |
| 21:58.20 | Dabian | ok |
| 21:58.25 | malcster | but I've tried it with just "defaults" |
| 21:58.27 | dvs | UberNeiztichian: What was the failure? |
| 21:58.31 | Phated | Windows of course uses FAT32, and you can mount it in Linux with mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /mountpoint |
| 21:58.32 | paulswm | malcster: are you loading it as vfat |
| 21:58.32 | Knight_Lord | malcster then you used the wrong command line |
| 21:58.35 | TinyIRC | anyone know how to get gnome to startup first? |
| 21:58.38 | paulswm | s/load/mount/ |
| 21:58.50 | malcster | paulswm: tried vfat and msdos |
| 21:58.55 | magnus__ | how come mplayer is not in official debian? |
| 21:59.02 | TinyIRC | it won't start at all |
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| 21:59.04 | sgeigerbot | update: Can someone help me troubleshoot networking on my laptop? Even though my machine is apparently talking DHCP to a dhcp server...and apparently getting an IP address (as witnessed by the console output), "ifconfig" and "route -n" do not show any indication that my machine is getting an IP address. Why might that be? http://www.ncee.net/typescript has the list of all the commands that I used. (I halted my machine befor |
| 21:59.05 | sgeigerbot | ehand to make sure I had a known state before running these commands.) |
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| 21:59.11 | Phated | magnus__: License issues. To obtain it, /msg dpkg mplayer. |
| 21:59.14 | paulswm | malcster: did you format the partition after you created it |
| 21:59.18 | UberNeiztichian | dvs "insmod via-rhine failed" |
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| 21:59.35 | Makki | UberNeiztichian: "modprobe via-rhine" |
| 21:59.40 | eax | UberNeiztichian: try depmod before |
| 21:59.42 | dvs | UberNeiztichian: There wasn't another message? |
| 21:59.43 | Phated | Think he did that. |
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| 21:59.51 | Z3l3zT | ?? apt-get |
| 21:59.55 | malcster | I have formatted it in windows a lot |
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| 22:00.06 | malcster | in linux, after cfdisk writes the partition table there is no option to format that I can see |
| 22:00.22 | paulswm | malcster: you have to format it, do it in wondoze |
| 22:00.24 | resiak | TinyIRC: Are you using GDM or some such? |
| 22:00.25 | paulswm | windoze |
| 22:00.56 | smj | UberNeiztichian: Via Rhine cards are notoriously problematic. I had to use the Linux drivers that came with my Via Rhine card to get it to work under the 2.4 kernel. |
| 22:00.57 | UberNeiztichian | dvs: sorry above that it had "init_module: device or resource busy" |
| 22:00.57 | Phated | paulswm: Dude... "Windows" works too. :) There's no need to insult a product that insults itself so well already. :) |
| 22:00.57 | malcster | so write the partition table in cfdisk, then exit and format in windows, then try mounting? |
| 22:00.57 | TinyIRC | huh? |
| 22:01.11 | Knight_Lord | malcster you don't need to format in windows |
| 22:01.22 | smj | UberNeiztichian: You might want to look into the Alan Cox kernel. If I recall, his patches solved my issues with the card. |
| 22:01.27 | paulswm | malcster: yes |
| 22:01.37 | malcster | is there something that will format to Fat32 included in the 9 disks of Woody I have? |
| 22:01.45 | smj | Phated: Well said. |
| 22:01.48 | Knight_Lord | malcster possibly |
| 22:01.53 | Phated | smj: Thank you. |
| 22:01.59 | malcster | well, if not, what do I need to download |
| 22:01.59 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: no, but he'll at least see if windows is ahppy with the partition table and partition |
| 22:02.17 | magnus__ | Phated: what is the license issue? mplayer is released under GPL, right? |
| 22:02.26 | Knight_Lord | paulswm good point |
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| 22:02.37 | malcster | okay. and also, what exact option do I want.. is a logical partition of "Win95 Fat32 (LBA)" what I want? |
| 22:02.40 | paulswm | malcster: is there a problem with booting windows and formatting it there? |
| 22:02.48 | Phated | magnus__: I'm not sure what -exactly- the issue is, only that it isn't DFSG-friendly. Google? :) |
| 22:02.53 | vulture | sgeigerbot: are you only having issues with your wireless connection when using DHCP? if you hardcode the config in /etc/network/interfaces does it work as well as when you bind it manually with ifconfig? does your wired interface work via dhcp? |
| 22:02.54 | malcster | not particularly |
| 22:03.00 | Knight_Lord | paulswm i was being over confident in windows and linux playing nicely along with respect to fat |
| 22:03.05 | smj | magnus__: Mplayer uses binaries that are of dubious licensing. |
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| 22:03.23 | smj | magnus__: In order to do some of its magic it has to use various Windows dlls. |
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| 22:03.27 | paulswm | malcster: that's the safest thing to do, as you're going to be using it in both, you need to make sure windows is OK with the formatting, so format it there |
| 22:03.45 | Phated | Knight_Lord: It -does- play along nicely, I used to have a media/windows partition that lived on Linux on FAT32. |
| 22:03.58 | WiFiTux | abrotman, yep, should be out... on Wednesday. Maybe Dell or IBM could be selling them next week. |
| 22:03.59 | malcster | ok. so when I have a drive D in windows explorer and clicking on it gives an error message of a device not responding, I should right click and format it there? |
| 22:04.08 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: I'm sure it's OK really, but Just In Case :) |
| 22:04.24 | smj | malcster: cfdisk doesn't do formatting, you know |
| 22:04.31 | UberNeiztichian | so basically the via-rhine module is going to be problematic? would installing a different nic via PCI be a simpler option? |
| 22:04.44 | malcster | I gather this now |
| 22:04.44 | Knight_Lord | paulswm i'm a scientist not an engineer, that's why i never expect the unexpected |
| 22:04.46 | smj | UberNeiztichian: That's what I eventually did when I had the $$$. |
| 22:04.50 | Phated | Hmmm, does anyone know how to type things like diaresis and circumflex in X? |
| 22:04.52 | smj | UberNeiztichian: I hated that motherboard. |
| 22:04.55 | paulswm | malcster: you are in windows now? |
| 22:05.02 | Knight_Lord | paulswm or at least not often enough |
| 22:05.03 | malcster | yeah, using a different computer now |
| 22:05.05 | chealer | yeah it would be nice to know WHY mplayer isn't in debian |
| 22:05.11 | UberNeiztichian | smj i have a PILE of nics here, so a pci one is not an option |
| 22:05.16 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 22:05.17 | UberNeiztichian | er |
| 22:05.21 | Knight_Lord | chealer license |
| 22:05.22 | TinyIRC | Ugh more errors... |
| 22:05.22 | UberNeiztichian | not a problem |
| 22:05.23 | paulswm | sorry |
| 22:05.31 | chealer | but in the factinfo |
| 22:05.33 | TinyIRC | unable to display gnome |
| 22:05.36 | smj | UberNeiztichian: Huh? You have a pile of nics, but a pci one is not an optiobn? |
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| 22:05.36 | chealer | I mean factoid |
| 22:05.36 | malcster | I don't have the internet on the machine I'm having issues with |
| 22:05.38 | sgeigerbot | vulture: That's a good question. I will have to reboot (this machine) to find out the answer. I'll be back. |
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| 22:05.47 | UberNeiztichian | smj i meant not a problem |
| 22:05.48 | paulswm | malcster: the computer with the new partition, are you in wondows now on it |
| 22:05.53 | malcster | no |
| 22:05.55 | vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.00 | jimmy | I'm looking for real estate in the texas hill country |
| 22:06.00 | smj | Phated: I think there is an input file where you can specify key sequences to get those characters in X, but I don't remember where. |
| 22:06.04 | sgeigerbot | vulture: what? |
| 22:06.10 | Phated | smj: Thanks. :) |
| 22:06.11 | smj | Phated: I use a character map because I'm lazy. |
| 22:06.20 | vulture | sgeigerbot: just wondering why you'd have to reboot - booted to a different OS installation currently? |
| 22:06.33 | Phated | smj: Like a separate app? |
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| 22:06.34 | vulture | (an OS in which your networking all works, perhaps?) |
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| 22:06.42 | smj | Phated: Yeah. |
| 22:06.50 | smj | Phated: What desktop do you use? |
| 22:06.56 | malcster | I take it I should make this second partition logical in cfdisk, rather than primary? |
| 22:07.00 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: that's good, the scientist thing, but don't forget that in the 30s the UK Astronomer Royal said that space travel was impossible, IIRC |
| 22:07.03 | Phated | Bzzzt... I don't like using separate apps for characters. :/ |
| 22:07.07 | Phated | smj: Openbox. |
| 22:07.12 | vulture | as a side note: if you have wireless issues it's probably not something I can really help with, since I haven't played with wireless on linux at all, best I can do is ask questions to help you isolate the problem furthur |
| 22:07.14 | smj | Phated: Ahh, ok |
| 22:07.24 | sgeigerbot | vulture: well, I guess I could try it without a reboot...but I did a reboot earlier so that I would be totally sure of what was going on. Okay, I'll try it first without a reboot and see whether that tells me anything. |
| 22:07.27 | smj | Phated: Well, lemme see if I can find my notes on what I did in X. |
| 22:07.38 | chealer | jimmy: I've got a few slaves in texas if you want |
| 22:07.39 | Phated | smj: Much appreciated. :) |
| 22:07.45 | vulture | sgeigerbot: *nods* |
| 22:07.51 | Knight_Lord | paulswm obviously scientists know nothing of engineering |
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| 22:08.10 | Phated | Well said. |
| 22:08.16 | paulswm | malcster: you ned to do this: get into windows, format the partition, if you are getting a hard drive not responding problem that's a whole other issue |
| 22:08.21 | Phated | Of course, engineers know nothing of science. :) |
| 22:08.34 | paulswm | dammit, beat me to it :) |
| 22:08.37 | Knight_Lord | :-P |
| 22:08.40 | Phated | :) |
| 22:09.02 | TinyIRC | what does gtk-warning**:cannot open display mean? |
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| 22:09.07 | Phated | smj: Incidentally, I use Eterm as well, which I'm fairly sure supports funny characters. :) |
| 22:09.15 | Fluten | hmm, i just tried it out on my other machine, and umlauts are working fine |
| 22:09.18 | Phated | TinyIRC: It means that it was unable to access your display. |
| 22:09.21 | Fluten | so something must of broken on my machine |
| 22:09.23 | malcster | paulswm: right, it's booting now. I don't think the HDD itself can be broken, since one partition on it mounts fine, and in windows they both work.. |
| 22:09.28 | Knight_Lord | There is no fundamental difference between space travel and going to school so his objections against space travel where in the practical/engineering level. |
| 22:09.37 | TinyIRC | how do I thix it so it does? |
| 22:09.37 | Phated | Fluten: Using plain xterm or xterm-utf8? |
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| 22:09.50 | TinyIRC | fix* |
| 22:09.52 | paulswm | malcster: once you've formatted it, you'll should be fine :) |
| 22:09.55 | Phated | No idea. Start it from an xterm or something. |
| 22:09.55 | smj | Phated: I used to run enlightenment and had no issues. You know, to display the Japanese Kana I had to change my character encoding to UTF-8, but that's another issue. |
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| 22:10.02 | Phated | smj: True. |
| 22:10.03 | Fluten | phated, plain xterm |
| 22:10.06 | Phated | Fluten: Ah. |
| 22:10.22 | TinyIRC | ok, i'll try... |
| 22:10.25 | Isil`Zha | hi. how can i diplay owner, group and rights for all files in a dir? |
| 22:10.25 | Phated | Fluten: I would suggest stepping through whatever you might have done slowly, and figuring out what it was that enabled it. |
| 22:10.31 | Phated | Isil`Zha: ls -l |
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| 22:10.56 | TinyIRC | enabled what? I haven't done anything but get gnome |
| 22:11.04 | KillerBunny | Is it easy to make debian login to the system without asking for user or password? |
| 22:11.07 | Xemacs_ | Isil`Zha, ls -la |
| 22:11.08 | Phated | TinyIRC: I was, er... talking to Fluten? |
| 22:11.14 | TinyIRC | oops |
| 22:11.20 | Phated | Ah, all files, missed that. What Xemacs_ said. :) |
| 22:11.21 | Isil`Zha | Phated: thnx! now i wonder where this is mentioned... i really read the man and info pages to ls... might be i really was not careful enough |
| 22:11.36 | Phated | Isil`Zha: It's in there. I promise. :) Read it again and see. |
| 22:11.59 | smj | Phated: Ah, it involved using loadkeys and setkeys. Check out http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Danish-HOWTO.html, which might help. If I've misunderstood, forgive me. |
| 22:12.10 | paulswm | I have to achieve *something* constructive today and I'm running out of time :( |
| 22:12.12 | Phated | Isil`Zha: Ahh, it's there, but semi-obliquely references. :) |
| 22:12.32 | Phated | paulswm: You can help me create accented-character magic in Eterm. :) |
| 22:12.35 | Phated | smj: Thank you. |
| 22:12.58 | smj | Phated: No prob! |
| 22:13.01 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: scientist in which discipline? |
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| 22:13.27 | paulswm | Phated: well that sounds breathlessly thrilling :) |
| 22:13.28 | Knight_Lord | paulswm biophysics, xray diffraction at the moment |
| 22:13.33 | Phated | paulswm: It is. :) |
| 22:13.35 | Isil`Zha | Phated: oh right... ^^ i should have known it's "use a long listing format" :P anyway... thnx again ;) |
| 22:13.51 | Phated | Isil`Zha: Yeah... Some manpages are semi-terse. :) |
| 22:14.00 | Cabbage | Question: is there an upper limit on the number of error diagnostics that "find / -exec echo {} \; | head" should emit? |
| 22:14.09 | Knight_Lord | paulswm xray laser diffraction to be more precise |
| 22:14.31 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: shucks, I was hoping it was related to statistics, ah well :) |
| 22:14.37 | mrstocks | apt find ldmm |
| 22:14.49 | Knight_Lord | paulswm why statistics? |
| 22:14.51 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: intersting, though, I didn't mean anything negative |
| 22:14.57 | Knight_Lord | lol |
| 22:15.06 | malcster | okay, freshly formatted and I still get the bad superblock, bad option, or too many filesystems mounted error |
| 22:15.23 | malcster | this hard drive is about 2 weeks old for what it's worth |
| 22:15.27 | Phated | malcster: Show us the complete mount command you're entering, please. |
| 22:15.29 | mrstocks | apt find sqlite.h |
| 22:15.36 | malcster | mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/d |
| 22:15.47 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: oh, just doing a clean-room write of a data compressor using a similar approach to bzip2 |
| 22:15.56 | malcster | I added it to /etc/fstab but the options are just "defaults" |
| 22:15.59 | Knight_Lord | paulswm ah :-P |
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| 22:16.09 | Knight_Lord | paulswm no i'm useless to give you tips |
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| 22:16.31 | Phated | Statistics are fun. Depending on the data concerned. |
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| 22:16.54 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.06 | sgeigerbot | Could someone tell me what happened to "vulture" Is he now "The_Vulture"? |
| 22:17.18 | Phated | No idea. Are they the same? |
| 22:17.22 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: the last stage is a huffman encoder and I think there's still enough predictability in the data to do some context-related modelling |
| 22:17.25 | scoopex | does anybody know a website which make a objective comparison between sun and x86-hardware for large-enterprise applications ? |
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| 22:17.35 | sgeigerbot | ("vulture" was in the channel just a little while ago. "/lastlog vulture" please...) |
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| 22:17.59 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: I was typing, but thanks :) |
| 22:18.02 | Cabbage | scoopex> It depends on your value of "large". |
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| 22:18.09 | sgeigerbot | Phated: See my last message. /lastlog vulture |
| 22:18.30 | sgeigerbot | Phated: did he leave or change his nick? |
| 22:18.30 | Phated | sgeigerbot: Ahh, I see. |
| 22:18.38 | Phated | 06:14 --- | vulture is now known as The_Vulture |
| 22:18.41 | Phated | I'm showing that. |
| 22:18.43 | sgeigerbot | Phated: thanks. |
| 22:18.46 | Phated | :) |
| 22:19.08 | scoopex | Cabbage: Systems around 16 CPUs / 16GB Ram |
| 22:19.14 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: hey...why are you trying to hide? :-) Alright...thanks for the help. It happens to be the case that dhcp isn't working on my system. Any ideas? |
| 22:19.28 | malcster | paulswm: any ideas / ways to format to fat32 in linux? at the moment I'm out of options, and if this HDD is toast I guess I need to send it back sooner rather than later. |
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| 22:19.36 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: just switched nicks to see if I could tweak some old op list settings, not sure if I can.. we'll see |
| 22:19.39 | manglerbang | hi |
| 22:19.48 | Cabbage | scoopex> I would call that midrange, though few x86 systems are larger. |
| 22:19.49 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: my real problem is that most of the useful stuff is in university papers and theses and it's so long since I did mathematics that they're mostly Greek to me (well of course they are literally Greek what with the symbols, heh) |
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| 22:19.58 | manglerbang | can someone tell me why many linux applications have the letter "k" in front of their names? |
| 22:20.01 | Phated | smj: That site seems fairly helpful, and might be what I'm looking for, it's a little... confusing, though, seeing as I've never messed with xmodmap and such before. |
| 22:20.09 | Cabbage | manglerbang. "KDE" |
| 22:20.09 | bbhill_ | Phated: Hello :) I was wondering if you could direct me to some sort of documentation that handles the repositioning of those dockapps such as the weather one you helped me set up. |
| 22:20.10 | Phated | manglerbang: KDE applications, likely as not. |
| 22:20.14 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: As you saw from the typescript, the machine seems to be getting an IP address from the dhcp server, but that fact is not reflected in the output of "ifconfig" and "route -n" |
| 22:20.15 | paulswm | malcster: what happened in windows? |
| 22:20.18 | Phated | bbhill_: Ah, hi. In what WM? |
| 22:20.27 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: do you know which dhcp client is installed? tried executing it directly? checked dmesg for messages? tried another dhcp client? are you running a clean up to date debian distro (woody, sid, sarge, doesn't matter which)? |
| 22:20.28 | bbhill_ | Phated: I just switched from Flux to Openbox. |
| 22:20.35 | manglerbang | it is annoying is hell |
| 22:20.38 | deadcat | bbhill_: welcome (= |
| 22:20.40 | mrstocks | lol |
| 22:20.40 | scoopex | Cabbage: ok midrange :-) |
| 22:20.47 | manglerbang | may be im just picky |
| 22:20.47 | malcster | I formatted, full rather than erase, it seemed fine. boot linux, still not happy. |
| 22:20.50 | Cabbage | malcster> "mkdosfs"? |
| 22:20.55 | bbhill_ | deadcat: thanks |
| 22:21.06 | Newport | hi if i do compile something, instead of doing a "make install" is it possible to package it and install that way so i can uninstall it if there is a prob? |
| 22:21.07 | Whitehawke | pardon again...is there an easy way to apt-get specific Apache modules? I've hit Google and Apache.org, but I'm not finding anything |
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| 22:21.18 | malcster | cabbatge: thanks, I'll try that |
| 22:21.23 | malcster | *Cabbage |
| 22:21.25 | Phated | bbhill_: Ah, simple. apt-get install obconf, and then from the root menu in ob3, select obconf, and then the "dock" tab, where you can configure placement and such. It doesn't seem to support hiding offscreen in floating mode, though. :) |
| 22:21.27 | micahf | anyone have some good nameservers? |
| 22:21.30 | paulswm | well thanks whoever |
| 22:21.38 | simonrvn | !fuck foo |
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| 22:21.56 | Whitehawke | micahf: 204.60.0.(2|3) |
| 22:22.00 | micahf | or I should say, does anyone know of any |
| 22:22.04 | simonrvn | micahf: 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:22.09 | malcster | thanks for your help people.... |
| 22:22.12 | bbhill_ | Phated: Ah, yes, I have obconf on my root menu but it does nothing - I didnt know you needed to apt-get it. |
| 22:22.15 | micahf | k cool thanks |
| 22:22.16 | bbhill_ | Phated: Thanks ill do that now. |
| 22:22.20 | Cabbage | Newport> set the prefix at compile time. |
| 22:22.30 | Phated | bbhill_: :) You'll see obconf is under either "suggest" or "recommend". |
| 22:22.34 | deadcat | openbox users: i am looking for this theme: http://icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/4.big.png |
| 22:22.35 | Cabbage | Newport> Or use "stow". |
| 22:23.04 | prahal | malcster: man mkfs.vfat , look for the -F option (mkdosfs is 12 and 16 only) |
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| 22:23.06 | bbhill_ | Phated: Wow, this obconf menu like triples my productivity and answers like 100 questions I had. :P |
| 22:23.09 | Rbk | http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl help my....!! |
| 22:23.16 | Phated | bbhill_: Have a nice day. :) |
| 22:23.18 | bbhill_ | thanks |
| 22:23.22 | Cabbage | scoopex> To be honest, on the whole I tend to use mixed systems, neither wholly x86 or wholly not. |
| 22:23.25 | Newport | Cabbage, stow? |
| 22:23.31 | cthulfuego | micahf: Your ISP. |
| 22:23.31 | deadcat | Rbk: stop spamming |
| 22:23.31 | simonrvn | deadcat: looks like industrial a bit |
| 22:23.33 | Phated | deadcat: Ai, stop pimping that font and ask on #openbox! :) |
| 22:23.39 | Cabbage | Newport> yup, it's a package management package. |
| 22:23.46 | Phated | Er.. s/font/theme/ |
| 22:23.49 | simonrvn | Rbk: what does that mean? you want us to go see that? what is it? |
| 22:24.10 | mrstocks | when you compile software, in the configure stage should it all say yes? even if there is no warning or error? |
| 22:24.13 | deadcat | simonrvn: no. the openbox theme, not the gtk, the window buttons i like (= |
| 22:24.15 | simonrvn | Rbk: i'm not going to go see that unless i know what it is |
| 22:24.22 | simonrvn | deadcat: yes, i know |
| 22:24.23 | deadcat | Phated: theres 3 dudes there. )= |
| 22:24.26 | Cabbage | mrstocks> it's very usual for some things to be "no". |
| 22:24.30 | deadcat | simonrvn: oh. ok |
| 22:24.31 | Phated | deadcat: No, not on freenode... |
| 22:24.34 | prahal | are there current stats about all bugs in debian (not just rc ) ? i only found old ones dating november |
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| 22:24.45 | deadcat | simonrvn: but i have industrial though. |
| 22:24.47 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 22:24.57 | simonrvn | deadcat: yeh. comes with the openbox-themes |
| 22:25.01 | deadcat | Phated: ya. the other server. all afk except mwilson |
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| 22:25.14 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. You can always ask him... :) |
| 22:25.14 | deadcat | simonrvn: really? because i have openbox-themes |
| 22:25.23 | deadcat | Phated: he doesnt want to answer that q (= |
| 22:25.28 | Newport | Cabbage, i have stow and i the thing that i compiled in not installed, i just did a make on it and it compiled fine, how do i use stow from this point? |
| 22:25.30 | Phated | deadcat: Well. Yeah. :) |
| 22:25.41 | prahal | and does someone has news about dpkg v2, i cannot find anything relevant (no ML) |
| 22:25.43 | deadcat | Phated: we know its from gumerry.co.uk though. but the site is down |
| 22:25.48 | Phated | deadcat: Ahhh. |
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| 22:26.09 | valdyn_ | prahal: www.dpkg.org ? |
| 22:26.32 | simonrvn | deadcat: the "ffs" wasn't for you, FYI :) |
| 22:26.40 | deadcat | !ffs |
| 22:26.40 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 22:26.47 | deadcat | oh (= |
| 22:27.31 | Cabbage | Newport> no idea, never used it, try reading the documentation :) |
| 22:27.34 | bbhill_ | Alt tab!! wow openbox is so cool. |
| 22:27.35 | chealer | I don't know if it's me, but all MoinMoin sites I visited start with a big fat explanation of what's wiki and moinmoin...so annoying |
| 22:28.15 | deadcat | Phated: i like TheBear theme. simple and dont have to install openbox-themes pkg heheh. although i have that pkg. |
| 22:28.17 | _felipe_ | hello all, i've got a quation, is it possible to install linux on a laptop without a cd rom?? |
| 22:28.21 | prahal | valdyn_: thanks , i don t know why i ended up on alioth empty repo , google need some love lately |
| 22:28.22 | chealer | and that one doesn't even present the site |
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| 22:28.50 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, yeah. I deleted most of the themes, though. I've just ported some of my old fluxbox themes over, can't be bothered to look for openbox themes again. :) |
| 22:29.13 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: rc dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19 DHCP Client ii dhcp3-client 3.0.1-1 DHCP Client ii dhcp3-common 3.0.1-1 Common files used by all the dhcp3* packages ...and, no, this is a rather old installation (but a working one!)...using a 2.6 kernel. (It's sid.) The dhcp client hasn't been under suspicion up to this point, though, as I have been using dhcp on ano |
| 22:29.13 | sgeigerbot | ther network. Oh wait...maybe I haven't been using dhcp. I just checked my script for a certain network...and verified that it isn't using dhcp...so maybe I'm using dhcp nowhere. (No wonder I switched...that is, if dhcp stopped working.) |
| 22:29.19 | deadcat | Phated: you mean fluxbox themes without the images right? |
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| 22:29.37 | Phated | deadcat: Yeah, I usually just Esetbg the backgrounds when I want to. |
| 22:29.49 | Whitehawke | _felipe_...well, in theory you could net-install one of the distros that supports that (such as Debian). I've never tried it, though. |
| 22:29.56 | vpalle | how do i authorize a user to run a second X server? |
| 22:30.03 | deadcat | Phated: no. fluxbox themes (not the bg) supports images for the buttons and shits |
| 22:30.05 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
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| 22:30.17 | vladster | I am having trouble getting my windows partitions to mount |
| 22:30.29 | Cabbage | scoopex> There don't seem to be that many x86-based boxes in the 16-cpu category, at least not ones that seem designed for high availability. |
| 22:30.33 | deadcat | vladster: wrong channel. but try to load some modules mabe |
| 22:30.52 | valdyn_ | vpalle: startx -- :1, nothing to authorize just b/c its not the first |
| 22:30.53 | chealer | digital__: do you need to say that? |
| 22:30.56 | vladster | loading vfat |
| 22:31.03 | Phated | deadcat: Oh yeah. Well they can be used. The python script just amends the keys but leaves the values as they are, so you can use the images as well as long as you don't rm -rf your ~/.fluxbox dir. :) |
| 22:31.14 | vladster | this is running debian sarge |
| 22:31.22 | deadcat | Phated: nice. |
| 22:31.28 | Phated | deadcat: Indeed. |
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| 22:32.10 | joshua_ | How do I force apt to avoid upgrading a package? |
| 22:32.19 | chealer | prahal: did you find anything interesting? |
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| 22:32.33 | vladster | I had this problem with the 2.6 debian kernal before |
| 22:32.42 | deadcat | Phated: ok. please tell me the phython script (= i want to port that matrix theme over heheh |
| 22:32.45 | Phated | deadcat: Speaking of which, I seem to have done so... Damn. themes.freshmeat.net again. :) |
| 22:32.46 | [puRpLeHaZe] | hi there, im using tvout by setting my tv as an additional monitor! everything works fine, but 800x600 is not fitting to my tv, it's a 16:9 tv! any way to use other resolutions? like 800x500? or 720x4xx or what it was? |
| 22:32.59 | [puRpLeHaZe] | its all in my xf86config-4 |
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| 22:33.37 | Phated | deadcat: Er... /usr/share/openbox/themeupdate.py :) Just copy that to you homedir and invoke ./themeupdate.py <themename> > themerc. You know how ob3 themes are named and all that, no? |
| 22:33.47 | deadcat | [puRpLeHaZe]: 800x600 |
| 22:33.50 | jrmy | Question!: I am trying to connect to my debian system (DeMuDi 1.2.0) from a OS X system using VNC. I have vncserver installed on my debain box and a few clents on OS X. When I connect the desktop that pops up is just a grey checkerboard. I am using fluxbox. Any help? Thanks! |
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| 22:33.59 | deadcat | Phated: girllll (= |
| 22:34.04 | Phated | deadcat: :) |
| 22:34.08 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: so it's sid, is it up to date with everything? |
| 22:34.27 | The_Vulture | I (and half the debian universe or more) am using dhcp on sid just fine.. |
| 22:34.38 | valdyn_ | jrmy: vncserver uses its own session |
| 22:34.40 | paulswm | [puRpLeHaZe]: you can't switch your TV to 4:3? |
| 22:34.48 | Phated | Huh, speaking of desktops... I need to check out root-tail. :) |
| 22:35.00 | Phated | And... a bigger monitor at a higher res... |
| 22:35.09 | r3v | [puRpLeHaZe]: 1440 x 900?? |
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| 22:35.18 | [puRpLeHaZe] | then i have two dark rows |
| 22:35.20 | jrmy | valdyn:what do I need to configure? |
| 22:35.21 | [puRpLeHaZe] | about 10 centimetres |
| 22:35.23 | Delph | Phated: and a bigger cpu and more memory? |
| 22:35.24 | toad_ | what do people use for playing dvds? |
| 22:35.26 | Phated | deadcat: Mind, it's all your fault. |
| 22:35.30 | [puRpLeHaZe] | using nvtv i can eliminate them |
| 22:35.30 | Knight_Lord | The_Vulture slightly less than half the debian universe |
| 22:35.35 | qq | toad_: a DVD player |
| 22:35.39 | r3v | toad_: okle |
| 22:35.39 | Phated | Delph: I'm getting more RAM in a couple of days. :) |
| 22:35.40 | [puRpLeHaZe] | but nvtv suxx that much - its unusable |
| 22:35.44 | toad_ | qq: under debian, in software :) |
| 22:35.46 | Delph | Phated: \o/ |
| 22:35.57 | vpalle | hello there, how do i authorize a user to run a second X server? im getting X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. when running startx -- :2 |
| 22:36.06 | Phated | deadcat: I was perfectly content with 15" at 1024x786 until you came along with your xinerama'ed desktop. :) |
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| 22:36.10 | Phated | Delph: Indeed. :) |
| 22:36.10 | The_Vulture | Knight_Lord: 1/2 - eps^2 then |
| 22:36.13 | [puRpLeHaZe] | vpalle, dpkg-reconfigure somwhatx |
| 22:36.19 | [puRpLeHaZe] | x-window-system i think |
| 22:36.28 | Phated | !drxx |
| 22:36.28 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:36.32 | Fluten | Phated, my backup is restored, and still doesn't seem to work |
| 22:36.34 | [puRpLeHaZe] | then u have the choice of su/root/anybody |
| 22:36.34 | Knight_Lord | The_Vulture and but it's an int not a float! |
| 22:36.35 | cthulfuego | Phated: Sheesh, you can just fit a single rxvt in that |
| 22:36.40 | valdyn_ | jrmy: .vnc/xstartup should contain whatever you want to start and probably be executable |
| 22:36.41 | qq | toad_: if they're commercial DVDs, there's probably nothing in the main Debian distro due to licencing issues with CSS decryption. |
| 22:36.43 | vpalle | [puRpLeHaZe], thx alot |
| 22:36.48 | Phated | Fluten: Hmmm... You're sure you did nothing else? |
| 22:36.53 | Fluten | Phated, yes |
| 22:36.54 | Phated | cthulfuego: Don't be so mean. :( |
| 22:36.57 | toad_ | qq: there is mplayer |
| 22:37.00 | cthulfuego | Phated: eh-heh |
| 22:37.01 | toad_ | qq: but that crashes a lot |
| 22:37.09 | Phated | Fluten: I mean, before your disk failure... Absolutely nothing else? |
| 22:37.14 | Phated | cthulfuego: :P |
| 22:37.18 | chealer | toad_: yeah, when it works |
| 22:37.20 | valdyn_ | jrmy: note , i used this last time a few years to, my files are still there, read the docs to see if something changed |
| 22:37.22 | Fluten | Phated, no, and the backup was 5 days before the disk failure |
| 22:37.32 | Phated | Fluten: Well... I'm lost. Like... totally. |
| 22:37.48 | Fluten | bah, i'll try a new debian install, and use stable this time |
| 22:37.56 | Fluten | since i've been having strange problems with unstable |
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| 22:38.11 | toad_ | ooh, it has menu support too |
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| 22:38.34 | Fluten | can debian be installed without rebooting? |
| 22:38.37 | qq | toad_: Xine's supposed to be a good DVD player |
| 22:38.40 | Phated | Gxine? |
| 22:38.41 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone knows who had the idea of putthing the PCI slots of the alpha miata systems on the left side of the case instead of the right side, basically mirroring a normal PC, and making the case useless for PCs? I'm really angry with that guy |
| 22:38.45 | Fluten | such as to install it to a directory, and then copy it over |
| 22:38.56 | Phated | gxine has that pretty GTK2 thing going on. |
| 22:38.58 | r3v | toad_: xine or ogle work fine for me |
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| 22:39.31 | paulswm | that bastard |
| 22:39.35 | jrmy | valdyn_: i had to create this file and I have tried putting Xsession & and a couple otherthings but nothing works... |
| 22:39.42 | Knight_Lord | stupid engineers |
| 22:39.49 | [puRpLeHaZe] | hi there, im using tvout by setting my tv as an additional monitor! everything works fine, but 800x600 is not fitting to my tv, it's a 16:9 tv! i got two black rows(bout 10centimetres)! any way to use other resolutions? like 800x500? or 720x4xx or what it was? |
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| 22:40.08 | Phated | cthulfuego: What're you using, then? |
| 22:40.09 | toad_ | okay, now i need to make it work fullscreen... |
| 22:40.22 | cthulfuego | Phated: Xorg with an nvidia card |
| 22:40.28 | Phated | cthulfuego: Ahh, sweeet. |
| 22:40.56 | cthulfuego | That happened to have Xorg so I thought I'd give it a go. |
| 22:41.01 | Phated | Ah, cool. |
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| 22:41.17 | jrmy | valdyn_:when I start my vnc desktop it says starting apps in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 22:41.18 | valdyn_ | jrmy: xstartup needs to be executable |
| 22:41.41 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: when I run "sudo /sbin/dhclient3" directly and then run "sudo ifconfig" the ip address doesn't change...even though I have changed /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp. (I shouldn't even have to modify that file, though, if I understand correctly.) "sudo grep -i dhcp /var/log/syslog | egrep -v '(DHCPDISCOVER|DHCPACK|DHCPREQUEST|DHCPOFFER|DHCPRELEASE)'" does not show me anything of interest. (Should I see DHCPACCEP |
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| 22:41.45 | sgeigerbot | T in there?) Here are the only 4 messages that remain: |
| 22:41.47 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: "Jan 17 15:39:56 localhost cardmgr[4008]: + Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1" "Jan 17 15:39:56 localhost cardmgr[4008]: + For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP" "Jan 17 15:40:41 localhost dhclient: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1" "Jan 17 15:40:41 localhost dhclient: For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP" |
| 22:41.48 | indigirl1 | what can tell me a partition's filesystem type? |
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| 22:41.49 | Knight_Lord | paulswm thank you very much, i'm gonna make sure he'll get a nice hole from side to side |
| 22:41.50 | deadcat | Phated: not the same. just gonna stick with thebear till i find that theme (= |
| 22:41.54 | sgeigerbot | joshua_: -f ? |
| 22:41.56 | sgeigerbot | joshua_: check the man page for apt-get |
| 22:41.59 | joshua_ | okay |
| 22:42.00 | Phated | deadcat: Haha. :) |
| 22:42.13 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: smoking a bit round the edges, hopefolly |
| 22:42.14 | deadcat | indigirl1: mount, cfdisk |
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| 22:42.18 | prahal | chealer: yes its the current dpkg maintenair wiki, afaik it s the only place with current devel plans . abouthte wiki/moinmoin home page, apache does it too : by default we have a page with the doc |
| 22:42.31 | jrmy | valdyn_: i believe I chmod already to rwx-- |
| 22:42.37 | Knight_Lord | paulswm easily done, and with the added bonus of cancer around the hole |
| 22:42.41 | Xemacs_ | indigirl1, fdik -l (somedisk) |
| 22:42.47 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: I did "sudo apt-get install --reinstall dhcp3-client dhcp3-common"...to no avail. |
| 22:42.52 | Xemacs_ | fdisk |
| 22:43.00 | chealer | prahal: apache does that but apache admins change the default. moinmoin admins keep that damn page |
| 22:43.00 | sgeigerbot | <sgeigerbot> The_Vulture: rc dhcp-client 2.0pl5-19 DHCP Client ii dhcp3-client 3.0.1-1 DHCP Client ii dhcp3-common 3.0.1-1 Common files used by all the dhcp3* packages ...and, no, this is a rather old installation (but a working one!)...using a 2.6 kernel. (It's sid.) The dhcp client hasn't been under suspicion up to this point, though, as I have been usin |
| 22:43.00 | sgeigerbot | g dhcp on another network. Oh wait...maybe I haven't been using dhcp. I just checked my script for a certain network...and verified that it isn't using dhcp...so maybe I'm using dhcp nowhere. (No wonder I switched...that is, if dhcp stopped working.) |
| 22:43.01 | prahal | though i don t get why the wiki is in french , the maintenair is british :) |
| 22:43.05 | deadcat | Phated: although cukoo-spit looks kinna like ximian though |
| 22:43.07 | sgeigerbot | <sgeigerbot> The_Vulture: when I run "sudo /sbin/dhclient3" directly and then run "sudo ifconfig" the ip address doesn't change...even though I have changed /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp. (I shouldn't even have to modify that file, though, if I understand correctly.) "sudo grep -i dhcp /var/log/syslog | egrep -v '(DHCPDISCOVER|DHCPACK|DHCPREQUEST|DHCPOFFER|DHCPRELEASE)'" does not show me anything of interest. (Should I |
| 22:43.07 | sgeigerbot | see DHCPACCEPT in there?) Here are the only 4 messages that remain: |
| 22:43.11 | sgeigerbot | <sgeigerbot> The_Vulture: "Jan 17 15:39:56 localhost cardmgr[4008]: + Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1" "Jan 17 15:39:56 localhost cardmgr[4008]: + For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP" "Jan 17 15:40:41 localhost dhclient: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1" "Jan 17 15:40:41 localhost dhclient: For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP" |
| 22:43.16 | Phated | deadcat: Ah yeah, cuckoo-spit is kinda funky. |
| 22:43.20 | paulswm | Knight_Lord: this is where your scientific skills far outclass those of a statistician :) |
| 22:43.22 | chealer | prahal: but was there something of general interest about dpkg 2? |
| 22:43.23 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: not running any freaky firewalls by any chance? |
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| 22:43.37 | Phated | deadcat: Man, it was a good idea to decrease my fontsize for GTK2 apps... It all looks so pretty now. :) |
| 22:43.40 | Knight_Lord | paulswm :-P |
| 22:43.45 | Rage_ | how do I search for a file? |
| 22:43.46 | chealer | prahal: hehe, didn't notice the french :) |
| 22:43.53 | deadcat | Phated: oh ya. |
| 22:43.59 | chealer | Rage_: locate file, or find |
| 22:44.08 | joshua_ | thanks |
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| 22:44.22 | Phated | deadcat: Man, don't you have some kind of nice "download" button on your script pages that just send it as a plaintext file? :) |
| 22:44.24 | toresbe | argh - fucking hell |
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| 22:44.45 | Knight_Lord | time to go to bed. Good night folks |
| 22:44.49 | smj | cya |
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| 22:45.04 | deadcat | Phated: no. (= hehehe. they are in diff dir apache cant get to. only read from php, but you can lynx -dump > file, then edit the thing heheh |
| 22:45.10 | [puRpLeHaZe] | is there a way to enlarge my picture as it is possible with windows? using 800x600 i have 2 big black rows on my screen |
| 22:45.16 | brian | hi everyone |
| 22:45.27 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i would just need to get my screen a bit bolder |
| 22:45.28 | deadcat | [puRpLeHaZe]: no. |
| 22:45.45 | Phated | deadcat: Heh... Firefox -> highlight -> vi :set paste -> middleclick. :) |
| 22:45.50 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: good question. Well, yes, I'm using iptables...but, no, I have never had a problem before...and I have totally turned off iptables at various parts of this quest for an answer. It's worth checking this again, but actually, i don't think that's the answer, as the link light on my ethernet card doesn't light up when I run the magical commands (thus making it impossible to talk dhcp with the dhcp server). For clairt |
| 22:45.51 | sgeigerbot | y, here are the magical commands (which aren't working if I attempt to use dhcp): |
| 22:45.59 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAH |
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| 22:46.02 | brian | compared to lots of you I am just a Linux noob...please be patient with me |
| 22:46.12 | Phated | deadcat: What should I name the root-tail config to? ~/.root-tailrc or something? |
| 22:46.19 | prahal | chealer: no version 2 , seems all changes goes in v1 except maybe the new binary format which i found nothing about |
| 22:46.27 | deadcat | Phated: i dont know if that outputs the same as my script though. i dont use tabs in my scripts |
| 22:46.27 | toresbe | I just woke up to the sound of a guy who lives at my orphanage unlocking the door with a homebrew replication I made for him, walking over to my desktop, and trying to check his Photoshop download |
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| 22:46.37 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: sudo ifdown --all sudo su -c "cat > /etc/network/interfaces <<EOF auto lo iface lo inet loopback auto eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp EOF " sudo ifup --all sudo ifconfig # ping -c 3 www.google.com ping -c 3 64.233.167.99 |
| 22:46.44 | Phated | deadcat: Hmmmm guess we'll see. :) |
| 22:46.45 | chealer | prahal: ah, thanks anyway |
| 22:46.46 | deadcat | Phated: i use ~/bin/ROOT-TAIL |
| 22:46.56 | Phated | deadcat: Duuuude... |
| 22:47.01 | jrmy | valdyn_: any other thoughts? if not thanks! |
| 22:47.02 | KillerBunny | how do i skip the consol login in debian ? |
| 22:47.18 | sgeigerbot | KillerBunny: set up a display manager. |
| 22:47.21 | deadcat | KillerBunny: display manager |
| 22:47.28 | valdyn_ | jirmy: nope, havent used it for to long |
| 22:47.29 | toresbe | When he notices I'm awake he starts asking me how the download goes... |
| 22:47.31 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: and you see DHCPACCEPT messages and the like in the console yet no link lights flash?.. |
| 22:47.31 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 9th time |
| 22:47.33 | apt | ACTION shoots a excited neutrino gun at deadcat for the 9th time |
| 22:47.33 | KillerBunny | Without display managers. |
| 22:47.39 | KillerBunny | I want a pure consol login |
| 22:47.45 | jrmy | valdyn_:ok thanks |
| 22:47.48 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.49 | toresbe | That's when I break out my control codes and SIGKILLs |
| 22:47.55 | Phated | KillerBunny: Don't install ?dm. |
| 22:48.00 | brian | Turn it of in the controls |
| 22:48.07 | The_Vulture | KillerBunny: remove your dms.. or disable them with update-rc.d |
| 22:48.30 | KillerBunny | Maybe i should focus abit more on making my self clear. |
| 22:48.39 | prahal | chealer: i had to register to get the real frontpage , it contains the complete TOF |
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| 22:48.54 | toresbe | KillerBunny: The way that works best is "echo NULL (greater than) /etc/X11/default-display-somethingsomething |
| 22:48.56 | brian | I have Mepis pro and run KDE...do you use KDE Killer? |
| 22:48.57 | KillerBunny | I want it to login with a user without booting x, and not having to type in the user/password. |
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| 22:49.24 | Phated | You don't want user/password? Not happening. That's what you get from a multiuser system. |
| 22:49.24 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: iwconfig cat0 mode kill channel debian |
| 22:49.33 | The_Vulture | KillerBunny: silly munchkin |
| 22:49.33 | toresbe | KillerBunny: That isn't a very good idea :) |
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| 22:49.51 | toresbe | KillerBunny: In fact, it's so bad, I doubt it's easily doable |
| 22:49.59 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: http://www.ncee.net/typescript has an example of what I get. I'm not even sure whether I should expect DHCPACCEPT in the console output. If so, I'm not seeing it. However, I am seeing this: "DHCPACK from 10.0.0.1" and "bound to 10.0.2.116 -- renewal in 294387 seconds." |
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| 22:50.04 | KillerBunny | Its for a very custom machine. |
| 22:50.04 | brian | all these geeks and not one clear answer |
| 22:50.04 | deadcat | Phated: eterm fan eh? |
| 22:50.09 | prahal | not worst than the autologin via X ... |
| 22:50.10 | Phated | deadcat: So like your ~/bin/ROOT-TAIL is just chmod +x and you just run it from there? Or should I do something funkay with the stuff I copy off you? |
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| 22:50.13 | deadcat | brian: eat shit |
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| 22:50.18 | Phated | deadcat: How'd ya know? :) |
| 22:50.25 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I thought I killed you. |
| 22:50.26 | brian | lol |
| 22:50.29 | toresbe | brian: ESAD |
| 22:50.33 | deadcat | Phated: ya. i run it in .xsession |
| 22:50.33 | brian | DC dont flame |
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| 22:50.49 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, cool, and rss-grep goes where? |
| 22:50.52 | christor | Please need help,I have the screen of my computer which sometimes is in mode safe and the networks connection broken and i must restart. No idea? |
| 22:50.58 | toresbe | prahal: Nor better... :) |
| 22:51.00 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: fork(deadcat); in a while loop (= |
| 22:51.13 | KillerBunny | I acually dont care about i not being a good idea, i just want to know if it possible, and how to do it. |
| 22:51.16 | Phated | deadcat: I'm annoying, I know... Bear with me until I get my desktop looking as cool as yours. :) |
| 22:51.17 | deadcat | Phated: rss-grep goes to ~/bin as well |
| 22:51.23 | KillerBunny | Let me worry about the securety. |
| 22:51.25 | deadcat | Phated: its all good |
| 22:51.25 | brian | KB it is possible |
| 22:51.28 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: yeah, that's fine, I don't recall the specific ones off hand. In any case, you get that it means something is working.. I'd really say there's something odd with your dhcp client, but I can't be more specific (and as always I could be wrong). Invoking the dhcpclient directly causes the same messages, but still no interface binding? |
| 22:51.28 | toresbe | But oh well, was just dropping by to bitch about te moron who woke me up :P |
| 22:51.30 | Phated | deadcat: Ah, lovely. Thanks. :) |
| 22:51.42 | deadcat | Seb: HAHAHAHAHA... cant trap that signal. )= |
| 22:51.47 | brian | you want a pure login correct? |
| 22:51.48 | hennewou | hi, is there a debian way (package, command) to shutdown my computer as a normal user? |
| 22:51.49 | KillerBunny | brian, you know where i should start. |
| 22:51.51 | toresbe | night, friends :) |
| 22:51.53 | brian | yes |
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| 22:51.58 | [puRpLeHaZe] | is there a way to set the physical width and height of my screen? something like 80cm x 40cm? or to set the x-y dpi? to sth like 75dpi x 60dpi? |
| 22:52.10 | Phated | toresbe: Dude, WTF. :) Sleep tight. |
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| 22:52.12 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i.e in the x config file |
| 22:52.15 | sgeigerbot | [puRpLeHaZe]: Use a crowbar. |
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| 22:52.35 | sgeigerbot | [puRpLeHaZe]: you mean perhaps settings in a program? Which program? |
| 22:52.41 | KillerBunny | Yeah, not any dm or anything just a concol with a user logged in when i boot the machine |
| 22:52.43 | sgeigerbot | !+nickometer [puRpLeHaZe] |
| 22:52.43 | dpkg | '[puRpLeHaZe]' is 99.960% lame, #debian |
| 22:52.43 | [puRpLeHaZe] | fluxbox xD |
| 22:52.44 | deadcat | Phated: take a look at http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=display&FILE_DIR=dotfiles&ID=.xsession |
| 22:52.54 | brian | KB I need just a little more background first |
| 22:52.54 | [puRpLeHaZe] | for the x window |
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| 22:53.02 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i am using a 16:9 tv |
| 22:53.08 | KillerBunny | Background ? |
| 22:53.09 | [puRpLeHaZe] | but i must get the picture bolder |
| 22:53.19 | brian | What system do u use? |
| 22:53.25 | KillerBunny | Debian testing. |
| 22:53.27 | sgeigerbot | [puRpLeHaZe]: you have a TV connected to your computer? What kind of video card do you have? |
| 22:53.32 | [puRpLeHaZe] | geforce 3 |
| 22:53.38 | [puRpLeHaZe] | tvout |
| 22:53.41 | KillerBunny | Why else would i ask in here =) |
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| 22:53.46 | deadcat | [puRpLeHaZe]: did you check sh.nu/nvidia? |
| 22:54.19 | Phated | deadcat: Thanks. :) I hope I'm not fucking up your rss-grep too much by editing it... Probably do though. :) |
| 22:54.30 | brian | k , do you use a gui? |
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| 22:54.49 | paulswm | toresbe: g'night :) |
| 22:54.49 | deadcat | Phated: knock yourself out. i have fixed the distrowatch and securiteam rss |
| 22:54.50 | KillerBunny | ups |
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| 22:55.03 | sgeigerbot | [puRpLeHaZe]: Not sure whether this would help: read-edid - hardware information-gathering tool for VESA PnP monitors |
| 22:55.05 | [puRpLeHaZe] | YEAH found it Display Size |
| 22:55.07 | deadcat | brian: come hump my leg. |
| 22:55.08 | brian | go private with me |
| 22:55.10 | [puRpLeHaZe] | i love man ;E |
| 22:55.16 | cthulfuego | http://www.cafuego.net/ss/ss-20050118.png |
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| 22:55.18 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. All I'm gonna use is the securiteam and the sid packages thing. |
| 22:55.20 | prahal | hennewou: man shutdown it talks about an /etc/shutdown.allow |
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| 22:55.51 | sgeigerbot | [puRpLeHaZe]: also check out this debian package: videogen |
| 22:55.54 | deadcat | Phated: cool. no slashdot? |
| 22:55.59 | [puRpLeHaZe] | thx a lot guys |
| 22:56.01 | Phated | deadcat: Nah. :) |
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| 22:56.05 | nvz | bleh |
| 22:56.16 | sgeigerbot | [puRpLeHaZe]: ...and perhaps something called ddcprobe (actually, that might be in the videogen package) |
| 22:56.28 | deadcat | cthulfuego: cafuego has xorg with translucent? |
| 22:56.28 | [puRpLeHaZe] | okay ima try that out |
| 22:56.34 | cthulfuego | deadcat: he does |
| 22:56.35 | prahal | hennewou: also gdm (and maybe others) which run as root can be configured to enable users to shutdown the computer (at logout) for example) |
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| 22:56.47 | Phated | deadcat: Undeniably the coolest .xsession ever. And I even have one. :) |
| 22:56.48 | deadcat | cthulfuego: damn... that whore (= |
| 22:56.58 | deadcat | Phated: (= |
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| 22:57.08 | Phated | :) |
| 22:57.12 | deadcat | Phated: it has to work with my desktop and laptop. and some. |
| 22:57.25 | nvz | eww |
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| 22:57.39 | deadcat | cthulfuego: although that MIGHT be ubuntu though. |
| 22:57.41 | p30n | can i ls only files that start with a specific letter ? |
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| 22:57.45 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: The output in the typescript file uses the word "binding" ...but I see no evidence of that with ifconfig and route -n |
| 22:57.47 | cthulfuego | deadcat: It *is* |
| 22:57.52 | deadcat | p30n: yes. |
| 22:57.52 | r3v | p30n: yes |
| 22:57.56 | Phated | deadcat: True. |
| 22:58.00 | deadcat | cthulfuego: bah. shame on him |
| 22:58.04 | p30n | like i wanna ls everything that starts with n |
| 22:58.09 | p30n | in a dir |
| 22:58.11 | cthulfuego | deadcat: Debian AMD64 was getting to be a pain. |
| 22:58.13 | p30n | how do i do it? |
| 22:58.16 | deadcat | p30n: yes you can |
| 22:58.17 | r3v | p30n: then do ls n* |
| 22:58.22 | p30n | ok thx |
| 22:58.26 | caphuso | p30n: no, but you can get your shell to pass a list of such filenames to ls, by using "ls X*" |
| 22:58.51 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: what I was interested in was whetehr you had invoked your dhcp client manually (without ifupdown) and whether it had worked then.. I haven't ever had a need to invoke such, so I don't know how it's done. |
| 22:58.52 | deadcat | p30n: invest in a linux in a nutshell book if you are new. |
| 22:59.16 | cthulfuego | Hmm. I wonder if I could convince my friend to buy alaptop, get a free iPaq and let me keep the iPaq as payment for making the laptop work :-) |
| 22:59.27 | paulswm | p30n: and stay out of root whenever possible for safety reasons |
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| 22:59.43 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: when I run "sudo /sbin/dhclient3" directly and then run "sudo ifconfig" the ip address doesn't change...even though I have changed /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp. (I shouldn't even have to modify that file, though, if I understand correctly.) "sudo grep -i dhcp /var/log/syslog | egrep -v '(DHCPDISCOVER|DHCPACK|DHCPREQUEST|DHCPOFFER|DHCPRELEASE)'" does not show me anything of interest. (Should I see DHCPACCEP |
| 22:59.44 | sgeigerbot | T in there?) Here are the only 4 messages that remain: |
| 22:59.48 | cthulfuego | !helping |
| 22:59.48 | dpkg | Give a man a fire and he can keep himself warm for a day. Set fire to him and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. |
| 22:59.49 | prahal | cthulfuego: why a pain , aren t ubuntu also debian devels ? |
| 23:00.26 | cthulfuego | prahal: Most are, yes. The main reason is that *all* debian amd64 mirrors are frighteningly slow. I think they're really getting hammered. |
| 23:00.27 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: /etc/network/interfaces shouldn't have any bearing on executing dhclient directly |
| 23:00.32 | paulswm | !beer nvz |
| 23:00.33 | chealer | lol dpkg |
| 23:00.35 | sgeigerbot | give a man a fire? (Perhaps "build"...would be more appropriate.) |
| 23:00.37 | sgeigerbot | Build a man a fire, he's warm for the day; set him on fire, he's warm the rest of his life. |
| 23:00.57 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: that's what I thought I had observed. |
| 23:01.06 | cthulfuego | !helping =~ s/Give/Build/g |
| 23:01.06 | dpkg | OK, cthulfuego |
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| 23:01.21 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: you could at least just specify the interfaces to dhcp, but it seems it defaults to all, so that would be sufficient to demonstrate failure |
| 23:01.22 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: or just "Make a man a fire" |
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| 23:01.37 | cthulfuego | prahal: Of course, all my servers remain pure debian. |
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| 23:01.52 | chealer | sgeigerbot: use uptime |
| 23:02.03 | smj | cthulfuego: "Pure" debian? |
| 23:02.03 | sgeigerbot | chealer: what??? |
| 23:02.15 | cthulfuego | smj: Debian with *only* stuff from main. |
| 23:02.18 | deadcat | can screen split virtically? |
| 23:02.19 | chealer | sgeigerbot: to know how long you'Ve been running linux |
| 23:02.19 | paulswm | !kill sgeigerbot just because |
| 23:02.23 | nvz | I washed my hands 3 times with scented soap and I can still smell dog on them |
| 23:02.28 | cthulfuego | smj: And no weird non-packaged stuff |
| 23:02.30 | prahal | cthulfuego: i heard that alioth was full some time ago , you mean those problems (full, bandwidth, etc) are maint to stay ? |
| 23:02.30 | paulswm | well that sucked |
| 23:02.32 | smj | cthulfuego: Oh, I see. So, no external repos? |
| 23:02.43 | smj | cthulfuego: And nothing like crossover office? |
| 23:02.56 | cthulfuego | prahal: Dunno, but I was fed up with it so I switched. (easy too, just edit sources.list and make packages reinstall) |
| 23:02.58 | sgeigerbot | chealer: I have been awake for 34 years and currently reference 24,488,289 factoids vs. your 7,852,897 factoids. No, I am not tired: AC on-line, battery status high: 100%. |
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| 23:03.23 | cthulfuego | smj: Why would ANYONE need crossover office, let alone on a production server? |
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| 23:03.29 | prahal | smj: crossover on a server :) |
| 23:03.39 | cthulfuego | smj: OO.org works just fine. |
| 23:03.41 | FieldySnuts | production servers tend to you know, not have X in the first place |
| 23:03.50 | MagusXI | hello, I am looking at some kernel patchs and need some advice, right now im using nitro-sources 4 for kernel 2.6.10, ok my questions are, does mm-source kernel work with nvidia? plus does mm-patch out perform nitro patch??? |
| 23:03.52 | MagusXI | ?* |
| 23:03.53 | smj | cthulfuego, prahal: Once again I step into a conversation without reading the history. Sorry. |
| 23:04.00 | _rene_ | haha. crossover. rotfl |
| 23:04.02 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: Well, in his defence, one of them has vncserver. |
| 23:04.08 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: Fortunately I always use scripts to set up my networking, so it doesn't matter whether I use dhcp. |
| 23:04.36 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: ...once I've been on thet network before... It's just annoying me now because this network changed its settings. |
| 23:04.43 | smj | cthulfuego: And OO.org does not work well with all M$ docs, hence I have Crossover on my workstation for work. |
| 23:04.46 | FieldySnuts | i still say having X at all strips it of it's server role, guess i'm old fashioned |
| 23:04.49 | nvz | heh, I gotta find out who this woman is on the food network. she reminds me of my aunt |
| 23:04.54 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: are you up to date with sid? seems like something's a bit broken.. |
| 23:05.07 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: which is funny because "server" option in sarge install installs about evreything X related that one could think of |
| 23:05.11 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: I did "sudo apt-get install --reinstall dhcp3-client dhcp3-common"...to no avail. |
| 23:05.13 | prahal | cthulfuego: ok , you frightened me a bit , some upstream have moved to alioth (dpkg, sane) , so if it was meant to die :( tuxfamily breakage was bad enough for me |
| 23:05.17 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: shame |
| 23:05.18 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: ...what more is there to do? |
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| 23:05.38 | cthulfuego | smj: When an MS doc won't open in OO.org I send it back to the author, as in that case it's most like created in Office 2003 and Office 2K will invariably fuck it up too. |
| 23:05.46 | _rene_ | prahal: it does? for example? |
| 23:05.46 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: including Gnome, evolution, 3000 fucking kde apps, etc |
| 23:05.57 | prahal | _rene_: ? |
| 23:05.57 | cthulfuego | smj: If they then still whine I suggest they install OOo and send me docs they create with *that* |
| 23:05.58 | _rene_ | prahal: then you've choosen "desktop" too |
| 23:06.02 | _rene_ | erm |
| 23:06.04 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: make sure your whole system is up to date for one thing. Alternatively try another dhcp client, but I wouldn't really advise that just yet |
| 23:06.07 | _rene_ | s/prahal/paulswm/ |
| 23:06.08 | _rene_ | sorry |
| 23:06.10 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: I guess I could do this: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install dhcp3-client dhcp3-common |
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| 23:06.25 | _rene_ | paulswm: you didn't choose desktop also, did you? |
| 23:06.35 | The_Vulture | apt-get dist-upgrade, make sure everything is up to date.. but that's just me, I like to have everything inline. |
| 23:06.36 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: I think I'm using dhcp3-client because I heard that pump was (at one time) broken with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 23:06.41 | _rene_ | paulswm: the server task does not install loads of X stuff. look what's in it... |
| 23:06.50 | chealer | _rene_: you don't like crossover, heh? :) |
| 23:06.53 | paulswm | _rene_: possibly, I was in a hurry to get an old box set up, if so I withdraw my statement |
| 23:07.16 | cthulfuego | chealer: The problem with crossover is that it needs payware msoffice. |
| 23:07.19 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: my god...the fact that you *CAN* use another dhcp client is great. I would probably have no recourse if I were using Windows. |
| 23:07.24 | _rene_ | chealer: how did you guess? ;) |
| 23:07.24 | cthulfuego | chealer: And paying for ms software is a crime. |
| 23:07.25 | prahal | _rene_: it does not , i installed a server a few weeks ago , lazily trying tasksel , it did the job well (a bit too pedantic i would tell) |
| 23:07.40 | prahal | oups s/_rene_/paulswm/ |
| 23:07.44 | _rene_ | prahal: yep. I know. |
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| 23:08.07 | smj | cthulfuego: I don't have that kind of control over the US Government. |
| 23:08.19 | cthulfuego | smj: You can quit your job. It's not hard. |
| 23:08.33 | chealer | yeah...I don't want to go to evil, after all |
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| 23:08.54 | paulswm | me and my dumb mouth, I *must* have also selected desktop, sorry |
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| 23:09.13 | smj | cthulfuego: True. You do have an enticing prospect there. |
| 23:09.16 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: Doh! dhcp3-client is already the newest version. |
| 23:09.17 | sgeigerbot | dhcp3-common is already the newest version. |
| 23:09.38 | sgeigerbot | The_Vulture: okay...pump it is! |
| 23:09.47 | BlackJudas | so booting from d-i ... how can i run grub-install? |
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| 23:10.16 | chealer | BlackJudas: it should propose you to manage that |
| 23:10.25 | cthulfuego | smj: Well, you work for satan and they make you use evil software. it doesn't seem like a difficult choice. |
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| 23:10.47 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia! |
| 23:11.01 | BlackJudas | chealer, I'm just trying to rescue a drive ;) I don't want to re-install.. just need to run grub |
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| 23:11.36 | sgeigerb` | The_Vulture: Ahhh...that fixed it. Wow...that was too easy to fix.. What a huge time sink that was. thanks for your help. |
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| 23:12.17 | smj | cthulfuego: True, but I have been instrumental in getting them to start adopting Linux. |
| 23:12.38 | smj | cthulfuego: At least where I work. |
| 23:12.46 | Motoko | I have an old box I've been updating and it has lilo and I'm trying to replce it with BRUB. How can I completely remove lilo from the MBR? |
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| 23:13.00 | tarzeau | Motoko: just install BRUB over it? |
| 23:13.03 | paulswm | Motoko: install grub over it |
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| 23:13.12 | tarzeau | paulswm: he wants BRUB, not GRUB |
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| 23:13.15 | paulswm | or BRUB |
| 23:13.32 | Motoko | I've tried installing GRUB over it but lilo comes up first when booting everytime |
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| 23:13.36 | delire_ | it's out, the new ati driver. let's see what they have (un)install for us this time.. |
| 23:13.48 | Atropine | Anyone knows something like camstasia, the windows software which makes a "video screenshot" instead of a picture in result ? |
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| 23:14.07 | chealer | Motoko: maybe you din't install grub on the MBR?? |
| 23:14.11 | prahal | Motoko: then you choose for example (hd0,0) to install grub instead of (hd0) |
| 23:14.18 | delire | Atropine: xvidcap |
| 23:14.37 | Atropine | delire: thanks |
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| 23:14.44 | Atropine | it already has a debian package ? |
| 23:14.47 | delire | sure |
| 23:14.52 | Atropine | oki, thanks |
| 23:14.52 | Atropine | :) |
| 23:14.53 | tarzeau | delire: heh that can now be packaged |
| 23:14.58 | tarzeau | Atropine: i made one, for at work |
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| 23:15.12 | tarzeau | Atropine: see #289168 |
| 23:15.13 | delire | tarzeau: you mean fglrx ;) |
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| 23:15.21 | prahal | Motoko: grub does not come after its jsut that you can install the boot manager on hte MBR or at the start of each partitions, you have lilo on the mbr and grub on the partition that s why you see lilo then grub |
| 23:15.23 | tarzeau | delire: fglrx? no i meant xvidcap |
| 23:15.28 | delire | tarzeau: oh... right. yes ;) |
| 23:15.40 | Atropine | tarzeau: thanks |
| 23:15.40 | Motoko | k |
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| 23:16.05 | stallman | HI all I installed debian woody started yesterday and took all day today to finally get it working. now the question is how hard is it to update the kernal to 2.4 or higher |
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| 23:16.33 | tarzeau | stallman: you are not stallman! |
| 23:16.54 | tarzeau | stallman: did you install emacs yet? |
| 23:17.12 | prahal | Motoko: to fix it : #grub-install /dev/hda (or the hd you selected as the boot one from the BIOS) |
| 23:17.16 | micahf | hey how do you change the serial ip address |
| 23:17.18 | skyisblue | stallman: not hard at all. use apt-get or aptitude. |
| 23:17.22 | micahf | because mine is the same as my router |
| 23:17.28 | stallman | yes.. emacs are installed |
| 23:17.30 | micahf | and no one can use the internet except me |
| 23:17.35 | Motoko | prahal: thanks |
| 23:17.37 | tarzeau | stallman: and vrms? |
| 23:17.40 | smj | I'm gonna have to remember that one... brub |
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| 23:18.05 | stallman | no vmrs |
| 23:18.08 | clusty | i have a problem with my sound and i think it is because of xmms. |
| 23:18.10 | christor | What means these 2 lines please ? No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. and found SMP MP-table at 000fb940 |
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| 23:18.13 | clusty | i use crossfader with alsa output and the song plays only 3-4 sec and then mutes |
| 23:18.15 | Geren | hi |
| 23:18.19 | Geren | when u go to an interview, is it necessary to wear a white shirt? |
| 23:18.20 | clusty | upon restart it works again the same way |
| 23:18.28 | clusty | this is not the problem with some other player (but cannot enable 48khz output on otehers) |
| 23:18.35 | stallman | skyisblue.. you are talking more my language |
| 23:18.39 | paulswm | Motoko: if you are using devfs, then grub-install '(hd0)' exactly like that |
| 23:18.39 | micahf | anyone know how to disable? |
| 23:18.40 | clusty | any clues what might be wrong? |
| 23:18.45 | micahf | serial ip? |
| 23:18.52 | travisat | guren: why wear a shirt? |
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| 23:18.59 | Geren | well i have to dress formally |
| 23:19.10 | deadcat | Geren: no. i went to an interview wearing tshirt and shorts |
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| 23:19.17 | Geren | i have a dark blue shirt, and a pair of dark blue dress pants |
| 23:19.19 | stallman | which file do I download with apt-get? I have an amd xp2000 processor |
| 23:19.23 | Geren | is that good? |
| 23:19.25 | FieldySnuts | do you have to actually spell "you" instead of "u" at these interviews? |
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| 23:19.40 | travisat | Geren : justfine |
| 23:19.48 | deadcat | Geren: well. it was a friend recommented and it was a baking school. (= |
| 23:19.51 | Geren | what about a suit and tie? |
| 23:19.57 | DerJamster | stallman: k7 |
| 23:20.05 | travisat | Geren: better |
| 23:20.12 | micahf | no one knows how to disable sl0? |
| 23:20.21 | deadcat | no |
| 23:20.23 | stallman | ok... then what? |
| 23:20.30 | Geren | but what would be the most appropriate one? |
| 23:20.38 | travisat | depends on the interview |
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| 23:20.57 | paulswm | Geren: what's the type of job for which you are interviewing? |
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| 23:21.06 | Geren | its for an intership , on-campus interview |
| 23:21.16 | Geren | an IT internship for a wall street investment bank |
| 23:21.17 | deadcat | Geren: then wear what ever |
| 23:21.21 | travisat | wear a tie at least. |
| 23:21.32 | Geren | deadcat, why what ever? |
| 23:21.40 | [puRpLeHaZe] | YEAH |
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| 23:21.41 | [puRpLeHaZe] | modelines |
| 23:21.44 | [puRpLeHaZe] | is the solutions :E |
| 23:21.45 | paulswm | Geren: if they have told you 'formal', wear a suit, shirt and tie, make it a white or light colored shirt |
| 23:21.46 | [puRpLeHaZe] | -s |
| 23:21.47 | [puRpLeHaZe] | yeeeha |
| 23:21.50 | [puRpLeHaZe] | finally tvout |
| 23:21.51 | [puRpLeHaZe] | arriba |
| 23:21.55 | Geren | i dont have a tie lol |
| 23:21.55 | Geren | is it really bad if i dont wear a tie? |
| 23:21.56 | deadcat | Geren: campus job/intern are very cool. you can wear what ever you like. |
| 23:22.06 | FieldySnuts | you can also over dress. I dressed up looking like I was about to purchase where I work now, for the interview. Turned out it was a jeans and T-shirt kind of place. the company president wasn't thrilled about being outdressed by 1000% . lesson there, is call and ask what they expect you to wear. |
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| 23:22.09 | Phated | For the interview at least, wear a tie. |
| 23:22.20 | Geren | really? |
| 23:22.31 | Phated | First impressions count and all that shit. |
| 23:22.32 | FieldySnuts | i still got the job, but still a lesson there |
| 23:22.48 | travisat | ties are cheap and show that you are willing to choke yourself to get the job |
| 23:22.57 | prahal | paulswm: devfs who would use it and why ? |
| 23:22.57 | paulswm | Geren: if I had told you 'formal' and you didn't wear a tie, the interview would end right there |
| 23:23.03 | Phated | You don't need to wear a suit, but like, shirt + tie + slacks can't go wrong. If the place turns out to be informal, take off the tie, roll up the sleeves. |
| 23:23.08 | FieldySnuts | i'd just rent a really nice suit or something. or buy it, fine. |
| 23:23.15 | Phated | :) |
| 23:23.22 | FieldySnuts | make them remember |
| 23:23.27 | paulswm | prahal: google for devfs, too long to explain |
| 23:23.32 | FieldySnuts | not hard to do being a woman ;) |
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| 23:23.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 23:24.03 | Phated | Of course... You need to match tie and shirt. :) |
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| 23:25.33 | Geren | how about a new blue dress shirt, and a dark blue dress pants |
| 23:25.33 | Geren | plus dress shoes |
| 23:25.33 | Geren | but no tie |
| 23:25.45 | Phated | Yeah that could work. |
| 23:25.50 | paulswm | Geren: THAT IS NOT FORMAL |
| 23:25.53 | paulswm | geez |
| 23:25.56 | Phated | paulswm: Did they say formal? |
| 23:26.09 | paulswm | Phated: Geren said they said formal |
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| 23:26.17 | SpookyET | Hi |
| 23:26.20 | Phated | In which case borrow a blue tie from SOMEONE. |
| 23:26.35 | SpookyET | I read that you people have the worst attitude on the planet; I came to be entertained. |
| 23:26.36 | Geren | paulswm, no they didnt say anything about dress codes |
| 23:26.42 | Geren | but i would imagine a tshirt would not do |
| 23:26.46 | prahal | paulswm: i have contributed to devfs in debian (patched alsa init and others) , i read all , wonder why the helml udev and understood , now i m wondering how to get those patch remove , this clutter code |
| 23:26.59 | LarstiQ | SpookyET: ah yes, welcome to our friendly channel |
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| 23:27.16 | Phated | "Friendly" is laying it on just a bit too think. |
| 23:27.20 | Phated | thick. |
| 23:27.32 | paulswm | Geren: <Geren> well i have to dress formally |
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| 23:27.41 | SpookyET | Ars Technica made me come |
| 23:27.50 | brian | Have others tried Mepis here, what do you think? |
| 23:27.56 | paulswm | geez |
| 23:27.57 | LarstiQ | SpookyET: yeah, I read that :) |
| 23:28.00 | Phated | <shrug> If your life is dictated by an online newsletter... Woohoo. |
| 23:28.17 | Geren | paulswm, well thats what i imagined |
| 23:28.52 | paulswm | Geren: and now you're unimagining it |
| 23:28.59 | prahal | paulswm: the only benefit left to devfs was way better performed by hotplog |
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| 23:29.06 | brian | I actually thought Linux users would be more friendly, It seems I was mistaken |
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| 23:29.27 | mick_laptop | can someone test out if my site is up? My stupid ISP decided not to setup a loopback for me |
| 23:29.28 | neji | hi |
| 23:29.29 | deadcat | brian: no. mac users are friendly. |
| 23:29.29 | LarstiQ | brian: hmm? |
| 23:29.32 | Phated | Have you actually... been abused? |
| 23:29.36 | SpookyET | brian: some are some aren't |
| 23:29.42 | mick_laptop | i'm a mac user :) |
| 23:29.45 | deadcat | (= |
| 23:29.50 | mick_laptop | and i'm friendly |
| 23:29.52 | neenee | brian: sarcasm seems to be the preference of many in here |
| 23:29.53 | nvz | brian: whats the problem? other than your supposed stereotypes didnt apply here? |
| 23:30.03 | SpookyET | however, according to Ars Technica, #debian users have the worst attitude on the planet |
| 23:30.05 | deadcat | there you have it. mick_laptop is a mac user and hes friendly |
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| 23:30.14 | paulswm | prahal: I have no idea why you are pestering me with this devfs stuff |
| 23:30.14 | brian | I asked how many may use Mepis here? |
| 23:30.21 | prahal | SpookyET: but which debian |
| 23:30.23 | neenee | i do not even know what mepis is |
| 23:30.23 | mick_laptop | so i must set the standard for other mac users |
| 23:30.24 | LarstiQ | brian: I have no idea what that means |
| 23:30.27 | nvz | brian: none, this is #debian, goto #mepis |
| 23:30.28 | deadcat | brian: mother fucker this is debian. not mepis bitch |
| 23:30.28 | neji | i am having so much trouble trying to get a decent helvetica font for my debian install, any tips on what do i need to do ? |
| 23:30.30 | brian | Mepis is Debian derived |
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| 23:30.47 | deadcat | !debian based |
| 23:30.47 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.47 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 23:30.49 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 23:30.49 | mick_laptop | debian folk are not always so friendly :/ |
| 23:30.50 | LarstiQ | brian: ah, in that case, probably close to none |
| 23:30.59 | paulswm | !kill brian for being a dickhead |
| 23:31.07 | travisat | linux users friendly? I mean we bash. we killall. |
| 23:31.13 | kantai | neji: is helvetica a MS supplied font? |
| 23:31.17 | Phated | We /etc/fstab. |
| 23:31.25 | brian | ahhh...Debian purists...like a religion |
| 23:31.31 | neenee | and we use a lot of cats |
| 23:31.31 | brian | lol |
| 23:31.33 | Delph | Phated: wait? |
| 23:31.37 | prahal | paulswm: > google devfs, i guess i overreacted :) |
| 23:31.40 | Phated | Delph: For what? |
| 23:31.44 | nvz | brian: mepis is off-topic here, if you need help understanding whaty #debian is, ,thats another issue. here is debian users, giving free support.. we cannot be expected to know about or want to hear about issues of every distro some moron invents from thier running debian system |
| 23:31.45 | mick_laptop | not one person offered to help me see if my site is up |
| 23:31.45 | LarstiQ | SpookyET: ach, I personally like this channel |
| 23:31.51 | Delph | Phated: nfs was mounting. |
| 23:31.51 | mick_laptop | talk about friendly |
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| 23:31.57 | Phated | Delph: Ahhh. |
| 23:32.00 | neenee | i do not mind the channel. the people in it however.. |
| 23:32.10 | paulswm | prahal: yeah, I was wondering why you thought I gave a crap, ha ha |
| 23:32.23 | neji | kantai: yes i think so, ms uses it all over the places |
| 23:32.23 | mick_laptop | i'll ask in #macosx and see if there is someone there who has 2 seconds to start firefox |
| 23:32.24 | Delph | mick_laptop: well, you didn't kinda say such important, nay useful things as "my site is here" |
| 23:32.25 | Phated | Personally... And to everyone who takes issue with supposed attitudes... "You're free to leave". |
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| 23:32.27 | brian | you just called me a moron...look in the mirror bud |
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| 23:32.37 | Delph | mick_laptop: but tbf, i'd just use the w3c validator. |
| 23:32.42 | Imh0teP | hey, is there any way to fix debian system permissions ? |
| 23:32.49 | kantai | neji: have you ever installed MS fonts before? |
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| 23:33.19 | mick_laptop | doesn't need to go in the channel |
| 23:33.30 | nvz | brian: its not physically possible for us to do so. debian contains tools that can take a running debian installation and make it into a live cd. people are doing this at an alarming rate, this doesnt make users of debian responsible for keeping track of them all and discussing them, we use the real thing, what the hell to we care about a knock off. |
| 23:33.31 | zlost1 | now does one delete a partition table from a zip disk ? |
| 23:33.40 | neji | kantai: yes i have installed then but they only messed up the other fonts and dstill looked ugly |
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| 23:33.43 | mick_laptop | oooh - i didn't even think of that! |
| 23:33.55 | mick_laptop | Delph: thanks for pointing out the obvious :D |
| 23:34.02 | prahal | zlost1: ? |
| 23:34.05 | kantai | neji: ah |
| 23:34.17 | Dave | I'm recompiling my kernel and I got this error among others when I do make modules_install. "WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.10-YYYYMMDD/kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko needs unknown symbol ac97_release_codec" What does it mean? |
| 23:34.25 | brian | I am not asking a question about anything other than if someone tried Mepis...it is a genious OS and very good for you to look into |
| 23:34.32 | neji | kantai: helvetica is also the font that swing uses and so swing looks like crap |
| 23:34.34 | nvz | brian: if you are interested in debian, just relax and ask some debian related questions. if you want to talk about mepis quit trolling here, and go to #mepis. Thats all there is to it. |
| 23:34.36 | deadcat | Dave: if it works ignore it. (= |
| 23:34.49 | Phated | brian: Answer: No, we haven't. And if you must promote Mepis... We're not interested. |
| 23:34.50 | paulswm | someone joins and within five minutes they're complaining becasue no-one dropped everything to test his site, geez |
| 23:34.51 | zlost1 | i did mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb on my zip drive and now it wont do dos fat on it |
| 23:34.56 | Dave | alright |
| 23:34.58 | deadcat | i just compile 2.6.10 on my ibook last night. i dont feel the diff |
| 23:35.17 | kantai | neji: hmmm, I don't think helvetica is a ms-core font |
| 23:35.20 | brian | lol how assinine...all I use is Debian ... take your head outa your cans |
| 23:35.27 | Phated | paulswm: Come on, chill. We get idiots in here all the time. |
| 23:35.38 | neji | kantai: i am not sure =/ |
| 23:35.48 | dondelelcaro | brian: just drop it already, please. |
| 23:35.49 | paulswm | Phated: yes, your remark is actually exactly below one, heh |
| 23:36.03 | Phated | paulswm: Well. That wasn't intentional. |
| 23:36.05 | brian | :D |
| 23:36.08 | deadcat | tehres 2 options. let an op ban him or /ignore him (= |
| 23:36.12 | kantai | neji: it isn't. why not use arial as a replacement? |
| 23:36.21 | Phated | Or Verdana. |
| 23:36.36 | neji | kantai: how can i do that? |
| 23:36.38 | nvz | howdy, dondelelcaro (: |
| 23:36.41 | Kerr | brian: you're trying to force your opinions onto others who are perfectly happy with what they use, and - they're - the assinine ones? You got problems bud. Go book a psychiatrist. |
| 23:36.41 | brian | I learned alot here about the close minded Linux community...wake up and ungeek yourselves |
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| 23:36.42 | kantai | ah |
| 23:36.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:36.46 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@adsl-68-76-84-185.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.53 | kantai | neji: there's a debian contrib package in unstable |
| 23:36.59 | TinyIRC | sigh |
| 23:37.06 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: please do not exacerbate the situation. |
| 23:37.09 | kantai | neji: msttcorefonts |
| 23:37.14 | drac | Off-Topic: What does +q do? |
| 23:37.15 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: okie |
| 23:37.18 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: HAHAHAH |
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| 23:37.19 | nvz | drac: quiet |
| 23:37.26 | Phated | Ah, well. Everyone... Grab a drink, take a seat, and chill. |
| 23:37.32 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Great vocabulary there. :) |
| 23:37.39 | paulswm | !beer everyone |
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| 23:37.41 | skyisblue | everyone. |
| 23:37.41 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 23:37.54 | Phated | +q shuts someone up. |
| 23:37.54 | neji | kantai: i have installed that thing and broke all other fonts plus didnt fix helvetica stuff |
| 23:37.56 | zlost1 | i did mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb on my zip drive and now it wont do dos fat on it, how can i clear its partition table |
| 23:38.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell drac about umodes |
| 23:38.06 | neji | kantai: another method? |
| 23:38.19 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes is <reply> see umodes |
| 23:38.19 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 23:38.22 | kantai | neji: ya |
| 23:38.35 | nvz | I made a factoid about server lines.. dont recall what it is though |
| 23:38.38 | zlost1 | mkfs -t vfat doesnt work now |
| 23:38.39 | TinyIRC | anyone know if laser mice work with deb? |
| 23:38.40 | skyisblue | actually everyone, that is human life. |
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| 23:38.46 | kantai | neji: check corefonts.sourceforge.net |
| 23:38.53 | dondelelcaro | TinyIRC: yes... the optical mice work. |
| 23:38.54 | Phated | skyisblue: Could... have fooled me. |
| 23:38.55 | paulswm | zlost1: with cfdisk, sfdisk or fdisk |
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| 23:39.09 | TinyIRC | This is getting really ridiculous.. |
| 23:39.14 | dondelelcaro | TinyIRC: does your optical mouse work? Now, that might havea a different answer. |
| 23:39.22 | TinyIRC | no' |
| 23:39.26 | nvz | TinyIRC: laser mice? |
| 23:39.32 | skyisblue | Phated: no not you, someone other hypo.. |
| 23:39.34 | neji | kantai: i will check them, thanks |
| 23:39.43 | kantai | laser mice are like optical mice, but with more hype |
| 23:39.44 | TinyIRC | laser mouse |
| 23:39.44 | nvz | TinyIRC: FYI: optical mice dont involve lasers |
| 23:39.49 | Phated | skyisblue: On freenode... everyone's a hypo. |
| 23:40.00 | TinyIRC | ugh, fine optical |
| 23:40.01 | skyisblue | yes |
| 23:40.05 | nvz | what is a laser mouse |
| 23:40.07 | Phated | Beyond that though, it's time for bed. |
| 23:40.09 | skyisblue | :-D |
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| 23:40.15 | Phated | nvz: I'd want one, whatever it is. |
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| 23:40.20 | TinyIRC | :{ |
| 23:40.23 | dondelelcaro | TinyIRC: anyway, if it's usb, you've got to follow the instructions in usbmouse, and then use /dev/input/mice |
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| 23:40.39 | kantai | laser mice use lasers instead of led's in optical mice |
| 23:40.44 | TinyIRC | i have a little converter that switches it to the mouse port |
| 23:40.44 | kantai | basically the same thing |
| 23:40.46 | dondelelcaro | TinyIRC: you should see the mouse show up and leave when you plug it in and unplug it, respectively. |
| 23:40.54 | dondelelcaro | kantai: they both use leds, actually. |
| 23:41.03 | TinyIRC | but it never lights up |
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| 23:41.07 | Phated | If it did the opposite, then you'd have a wireless. :) |
| 23:41.14 | kantai | dondelelcaro: ya, but one is an led laser |
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| 23:41.27 | zlost1 | somethings not right here |
| 23:41.29 | nvz | an optical mouse uses a standard Light Emitting Diode to light the surface under its specially designed microchip that is fitted with a optical camera |
| 23:41.30 | travisat | it shouldn't matter whether or not its laser |
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| 23:41.45 | stallman | I have a 7 cd set of debian woody 3r3 I'd like to install this but want to have the latest r4 revision installed with the latest kernal. Is there a way I can do that from this cd and the internet? |
| 23:41.50 | zlost1 | i cant make vfat on my zip even if i specify -t to mkfs |
| 23:41.52 | kantai | travisat: thus the hype |
| 23:41.53 | dondelelcaro | TinyIRC: if you've got usb working at all, the mouse should light up. |
| 23:41.54 | nvz | it matters if I know what he's talking about or I dont. |
| 23:42.14 | zlost1 | and i just remade the table in cfdisk |
| 23:42.17 | prahal | zlost1: cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 23:42.22 | TinyIRC | dondelelcaro: But I have no clue how to do that |
| 23:42.24 | TinyIRC | :P |
| 23:42.31 | paulswm | it lights up, it dosn't have an unreliable ball, and it moves the pointer, I don't see what else really matters |
| 23:42.31 | dondelelcaro | TinyIRC: then /msg dpkg usbmouse; and follow the instructions. |
| 23:42.54 | nvz | I can help with optical mice, however I never heard of a laser mouse, such a thing sounds incredibly stupid to me. use of laser when not nessicary is incredibly irresponsibly stupid |
| 23:42.57 | zlost1 | dont work man |
| 23:43.10 | dondelelcaro | !doesn't work |
| 23:43.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:43.39 | prahal | zlost1: then i did not understand what was wrong , also you cannot mkfs /dev/sdb you have to mkfs /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:43.55 | stallman | any install experts in here? |
| 23:43.55 | Delph | uhhm. |
| 23:44.05 | deadcat | stallman: nope. |
| 23:44.06 | zlost1 | i did mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb on my zip drive and now it wont do dos fat on it |
| 23:44.09 | cthulfuego | prahal: Of course you can mkfs /dev/sdb |
| 23:44.12 | nvz | TinyIRC: where are you at right now.. you got off to a bad start with your question. lets clearify. Have you just installed and cannot get your optical mouse to work? |
| 23:44.34 | travisat | its hard to be an expert when you only install once |
| 23:44.35 | Delph | zlost1: ah; you probably overwrote one of the disk sectors on it then... |
| 23:44.44 | stallman | thanks deadcat |
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| 23:44.53 | TinyIRC | Yes |
| 23:45.00 | WiFiTux | What's an OK salary in the US? Yearly. |
| 23:45.02 | Delph | the magic disk sectors that say its a zip disk, so its probably not letting you do anything to it. |
| 23:45.03 | zlost1 | now mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb gives me "wont make whole disk" |
| 23:45.04 | dondelelcaro | stallman: you can just ask your question here... if someone knows, they'll answer. If not, ask in #debian-boot |
| 23:45.06 | Delph | (thats a random guess) |
| 23:45.09 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: depends on your location |
| 23:45.10 | nvz | TinyIRC: do you know what debian install you used? woody, sarge.. ? |
| 23:45.16 | Delph | WiFiTux: well; how much do you want to make =:) |
| 23:45.19 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, NY? |
| 23:45.21 | deadcat | WiFiTux: depends where you live (= |
| 23:45.21 | TinyIRC | I already have it |
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| 23:45.25 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: where in NY? |
| 23:45.29 | paulswm | WiFiTux: for ehat job |
| 23:45.31 | TinyIRC | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.33 | paulswm | what |
| 23:45.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hahah. |
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| 23:45.35 | Delph | will travel. |
| 23:45.39 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, a expensive one. |
| 23:45.43 | prahal | zlost1: sdb is not a partition , its the whole disk (mbr, partition, free space) |
| 23:45.44 | zlost1 | exactly, so how do i make it a zip disk again |
| 23:45.44 | kantai | check salary.com |
| 23:45.47 | Fluten | can debian be installed other ways than rebooting? |
| 23:45.49 | nvz | TinyIRC: ok, is this a laptop or a desktop? do you know the cpu type? |
| 23:45.55 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: NYC? manhattan? bronx? upstate? |
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| 23:45.57 | WiFiTux | kantai, grumpy. |
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| 23:46.00 | nvz | TinyIRC: or what kernel version you are running? |
| 23:46.03 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, NYC |
| 23:46.04 | Fluten | since i have no local hard drive, and would be hard to re-install, or can debian install over nfs? |
| 23:46.06 | TinyIRC | desktop, what do you mean cpu type? |
| 23:46.07 | dur | I am in the install process, and would like to go back to change an option, how can I do that? |
| 23:46.07 | deadcat | Fluten: debootstrap maybe |
| 23:46.15 | stallman | If I have woody 3 can i use it to boot and do a net install of sarge? Can someone help explain how to do this? |
| 23:46.22 | nvz | TinyIRC: Motorolla, Sparc, Intel, Amd..etc |
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| 23:46.27 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: figure 40-50K then. You can probably just survive on 25-30K there. |
| 23:46.28 | TinyIRC | intel' |
| 23:46.32 | aokaze | Is there a slideshow program like kuickshow but not depending on KDE libraries? |
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| 23:46.48 | prahal | zlost1: another thing to take care , some old zip reader require that partition to be sdb4 as as the first reader read only the 4th partition |
| 23:46.51 | cthulfuego | zlost1: fdisk it, create 1 primary FAT32 LBA partition |
| 23:47.06 | zlost1 | ahh |
| 23:47.08 | paulswm | stallman: use the sarge ISO: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:47.09 | zlost1 | brb |
| 23:47.28 | cthulfuego | prahal: Actually, the 4th partition meant it was DOS formatted and the 1st meant it was a Mac zip disk. |
| 23:47.43 | nvz | TinyIRC: type the command: uname -r, and give the output verbatim, also type the command: lspci, and look for the USB controller |
| 23:47.46 | paulswm | cthulfuego: that's the problem, he just messed up his partition table |
| 23:47.52 | cthulfuego | paulswm: yep |
| 23:48.03 | cthulfuego | paulswm: I just told him how to fix it. |
| 23:48.30 | paulswm | cthulfuego: I know, I wasn't critiquing |
| 23:48.31 | stallman | paulswm. which one would that be the one at the top of the page called Debian Installer RC2 |
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| 23:48.41 | dondelelcaro | stallman: yes... use RC2 |
| 23:48.47 | cthulfuego | paulswm: I never accused you of doing so <heh> |
| 23:48.51 | prahal | cthulfuego: you mean fdisk create sbd4 automagically if you select FAT ? |
| 23:49.07 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, Survive? ok, that's what I want. I'm looking for a Job somewhere else. Just to wander off. I can easily relocate and it could pay to survive, that would be fine. |
| 23:49.09 | cthulfuego | prahal: No. But it doesn't matter which partition you choose. |
| 23:49.09 | TinyIRC | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 23:49.14 | paulswm | stallman: yes, but read the documentation futher down the page as well. It's an easy setup though once you DL the iso |
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| 23:49.24 | paulswm | cthulfuego: :) |
| 23:49.24 | stallman | I tried to dl that and can't get a good burn to cd fromit. there is no md5sum check for it |
| 23:49.34 | prahal | cthulfuego: ok that s the zip driver job , thanks |
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| 23:49.59 | nvz | TinyIRC: do you see a USB Host Controller in the output of the lspci command? |
| 23:50.18 | [puRpLeHaZe] | any1 knows y my .bashrc doesnt work? |
| 23:50.18 | TinyIRC | Yes, the normal Intel ones |
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| 23:50.23 | [puRpLeHaZe] | with root it works |
| 23:50.25 | [puRpLeHaZe] | but with any user they do not work |
| 23:50.29 | stallman | paulswm. can you run an mdsum check on your iso and let me know what it sums too |
| 23:50.43 | prahal | pusling: in xterm or console ? |
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| 23:51.20 | ncsu | has anyone ever messed with webassign? |
| 23:51.24 | paulswm | stallman: no, I didn't keep the ISO and I've overwritten the CDRW |
| 23:51.29 | prahal | s/puslink/ [puRpLeHaZe] |
| 23:51.31 | stallman | are you going to do that paulswm |
| 23:51.40 | stallman | oh ok... |
| 23:51.44 | dondelelcaro | [puRpLeHaZe]: try asking in bash, or read man bash; and the section regarding INVOCATION, where it explains where a .bashrc is executed, and when .bash_login is |
| 23:51.44 | warlocked005 | hola |
| 23:52.00 | [puRpLeHaZe] | 10q |
| 23:52.02 | stallman | anyone in here have the md5 sum for rc2 |
| 23:52.03 | cthulfuego | Wahoo! |
| 23:52.08 | nvz | TinyIRC: type: lsmod, and see if it lists a uhci or usb-uhci driver or any other usb related modules loaded |
| 23:52.14 | paulswm | stallman: I suggest you just try the DL again, unless there's something wrong with your burner |
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| 23:52.31 | Aquarina | When I open some app's by cliking on an icon inside a drawer on gnome panel, it jumps and sometimes moves from bottom to top of the screen. Anyone knows what to do about it? |
| 23:52.56 | zlost1 | ok i made a fat 16 partition on the disk then tried jazip on it and now it says invalid arguement |
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| 23:53.08 | zlost1 | still didnt create it correctly |
| 23:53.09 | AlphaOmega | i got a question, why does so many linux admins dis debian b/c debian's "package system isnt up to date" i guess theyre btching that the packages are old or something? not the latest version? but that doesnt make sense |
| 23:53.27 | cthulfuego | Mozilla and Firefox are doing poo when they need to print. |
| 23:53.30 | TinyIRC | yes |
| 23:53.37 | nvz | stallman: I would like to think you had enough sense to make sure the site you d/l from had a checksum, but thats obviously not true |
| 23:53.43 | prahal | [puRpLeHaZe]: wihtout knowing if its a login (console) shell or not , i d say uncomment ". ~/bashrc" in .bash_profile |
| 23:53.52 | warlocked005 | hola alguien sabe espa?ol? |
| 23:53.53 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: No sane admin would say that. |
| 23:53.58 | cthulfuego | !spanish warlocked005 |
| 23:54.02 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: there aren't many serious administrators who would say that. |
| 23:54.03 | warlocked005 | si |
| 23:54.05 | cthulfuego | !spanish |
| 23:54.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:54.09 | TinyIRC | then I have my USB-midi listed too |
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| 23:54.11 | stallman | its debians site.... yuk yuk. IO would have thought they would have put it up there |
| 23:54.18 | nvz | TinyIRC: ok, so you have the UHCI host controller driver loaded? this is getting interesting. |
| 23:54.19 | TinyIRC | and some other ones |
| 23:54.22 | ncsu | AlphaOmega: few things arn't up to date, thunderbird can easily be found on others, and i doupt system admins would be very concerned about that |
| 23:54.29 | TinyIRC | how so? |
| 23:54.35 | warlocked005 | #debian-es? |
| 23:54.45 | AlphaOmega | yeah? ok, just making sure, b/c i suggested debian for its stablility but on 2 diff. occasions 2 linux admins said: "oh theyre packages are old" or some shit and i was thinking, why not just build them? |
| 23:54.48 | AlphaOmega | i dont get it |
| 23:54.54 | stallman | thanks for the good ridicule less the help endeavor |
| 23:54.55 | AlphaOmega | im newb to debian btw |
| 23:54.55 | nvz | TinyIRC: well you said earlier the mouse doesnt light up when you plug it in |
| 23:55.03 | TinyIRC | yeah |
| 23:55.04 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: See, for servers you want stable software. Because stabuility is important. Newfangled non-tested software isn't stable. Did I mention stability yet? ;-) |
| 23:55.05 | nvz | TinyIRC: if the host controller is loaded it should light up |
| 23:55.17 | AlphaOmega | cthulfuego |
| 23:55.24 | AlphaOmega | you dont gotta tell me about stable ;) |
| 23:55.31 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: those are adminstrators you don't want anywhere near production sites. |
| 23:55.35 | TinyIRC | ok, I'll se if I can get it working, one min. |
| 23:55.39 | AlphaOmega | ok , awesome |
| 23:55.40 | stew | AlphaOmega: the packages of stable are old feature wise, but they are kept up to date security wise |
| 23:55.41 | paulswm | AlphaOmega: they're probably talking about the 'stable' distro which is a little long in the tooth but *secure* and maybe because compared to debian they have crappy distros |
| 23:55.42 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: If some admin wants the latest software because they think it's somehow better, they need to be fired. |
| 23:55.43 | AlphaOmega | i thought i was right |
| 23:55.43 | zlost1 | guess ill have to format this in windows |
| 23:55.44 | nvz | TinyIRC: we are going to have to look at the kernel messages, but first I would like to get some background about where you are plugging the mouse in (front ports, back ports..etc) and if there is anything else currently attached to USB |
| 23:55.47 | warlocked005 | gracias |
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| 23:56.05 | AlphaOmega | hmm |
| 23:56.15 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: Now for the *desktop*... that's an altogether different matter. |
| 23:56.22 | AlphaOmega | how so? |
| 23:56.32 | AlphaOmega | its all up to date? |
| 23:56.48 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: Users are used to windows crashing a couple of times a day, so you can get away with newer software that may crash once a week. |
| 23:56.59 | AlphaOmega | oh yeah |
| 23:57.01 | AlphaOmega | i get it |
| 23:57.11 | TinyIRC | I re-plugged it in, and it identified it and it lit up... |
| 23:57.15 | AlphaOmega | + you shouldnt run a desktop on a prod server anyways |
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| 23:57.28 | paulswm | AlphaOmega: if you could look around the world of the big corps, you would notice that the risk averse ones never use anything until it's well established, debian's 'stable' verification kind of mirrors that professional and sensible attitude |
| 23:57.38 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: if you were an insane admin running Fedora RC3 you might... |
| 23:57.40 | stallman | paulswm can I pm you |
| 23:57.46 | paulswm | stallman: no |
| 23:57.53 | TinyIRC | but it doesn't work when i try to |
| 23:57.56 | jsbiff | Hello, is there a way to get apt-get to search for packages that were installed just to satisfy the dependencies of other packages? |
| 23:58.00 | AlphaOmega | paulswm : i see |
| 23:58.03 | jsbiff | I want to get rid of 'extra' stuff |
| 23:58.03 | AlphaOmega | but |
| 23:58.12 | AlphaOmega | if i wanted to, i could build up to date realtively easy? |
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| 23:58.15 | dondelelcaro | jsbiff: use deborphan, debfoster, or aptitude to do that. |
| 23:58.24 | AlphaOmega | like the lastest versions of vim python java etc... |
| 23:58.29 | jsbiff | don: thanks |
| 23:58.30 | skyisblue | jsbiff: yeah aptitude |
| 23:58.35 | nostalg1c | paulswm, very true, i am happy to run debian stable on a server that i need to do webhosting on for people.. and debian unstable for my box at home |
| 23:58.40 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: there are backports and the ilk for that, or you can run testing. |
| 23:58.46 | nostalg1c | i like to have some piece of mind that whatever i'm running is actually gonna work |
| 23:58.59 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: Yes, you could. But it would then be untersted and probably have security holes. |
| 23:58.59 | nvz | TinyIRC: for usb mice you will need the host controller driver, for you thats 'uhci', 'input', 'hid' and also 'usbmouse' |
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| 23:59.08 | dondelelcaro | stallman: a42bf25af7bde4d9735eb8b91537eac3 sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:59.12 | stew | AlphaOmega: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:59.17 | AlphaOmega | ok thanks |
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| 23:59.23 | TinyIRC | where might I find it? |
| 23:59.31 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: For a desktop box, just use Sarge (testing). That's faily up to date. |
| 23:59.37 | nvz | TinyIRC: well you could use "modconf |
| 23:59.37 | AlphaOmega | what about building your own packages from source? |
| 23:59.46 | AlphaOmega | is that possible in a mgmt system? |
| 23:59.48 | nvz | TinyIRC: its an easy to use module loading/unloading tool |
| 23:59.51 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: sure, you can do that too... but you're generally better off using the Debian packages. |
| 23:59.52 | ramzez | hello |
| 23:59.56 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: That's discouraged, as the package system likes to know which files are installed. |
