| 00:00.02 | ramzez | I try to use a ieee1394 ide disk. When I plug it, I get some errors and no devices is created. |
| 00:00.06 | TinyIRC | oh ok |
| 00:00.13 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: esp. until you understand exactly how the packaging system works and how to get your custom built packages integrated. |
| 00:00.18 | ramzez | I search on google but it seems that several people have the same message error but their hardware works, so I don't know how to solve my problem |
| 00:00.23 | cthulfuego | ramzez: modprobe sbp2; modprobe sd_mod |
| 00:00.32 | AlphaOmega | cthulfuego : i know, im jsut saying "build your own from source" then install the package |
| 00:00.39 | stallman | if not here is the question to everyone. on this link http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ there is a large list of links to files to intall sarge. I'm confused as to which one I need to downlowd. Is it the i386 netinst CD image or the i386 (other images) netboot? |
| 00:00.39 | ramzez | cthulfuego: already done |
| 00:00.44 | AlphaOmega | so you can get some up-to-date thing, but its discouraged, ok |
| 00:00.45 | cthulfuego | AlphaOmega: That's a abckport :-) |
| 00:00.51 | Aquarina | When I open some app's by cliking on an icon inside a drawer on gnome panel, it jumps and sometimes moves from bottom to top of the screen. Anyone knows what to do about it? |
| 00:00.58 | AlphaOmega | ok :) |
| 00:01.25 | dondelelcaro | stallman: the i386 netinst image is the only one you need. The others will work, but they're for different situations. |
| 00:01.37 | netic | hi there. could someone help me configuring bibtex? it sais: "I couldn't open style file plane.bst". i have tetex-extra installed |
| 00:01.43 | AlphaOmega | ok one more thing, where can i find what versions of the debian stable packages are currently up to? |
| 00:01.51 | dondelelcaro | netic: you mean plain, but plane. |
| 00:01.54 | stallman | thank you Mr. decarlo |
| 00:02.00 | AlphaOmega | just curious? how is it decided when to up date to a newversion of an app? |
| 00:02.01 | ramzez | cthulfuego: maybe another suggestion ? |
| 00:02.03 | dondelelcaro | netic: you have the wrong style set. |
| 00:02.08 | dondelelcaro | s/but/not/ |
| 00:02.14 | TinyIRC | It will be interesting to actually see gnome Working |
| 00:02.19 | netic | dondelelcaro: damn :-) thanks |
| 00:02.20 | Delph | AlphaOmega: in stable's case, when its ready. there's all sorts of info on the wiki and the debian site about how it moves around. |
| 00:02.20 | stallman | I'll be back in a while. hopefully my isp hasn't throttled my dl too bad right now |
| 00:02.22 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: it's up to the maintainer, typically. |
| 00:02.41 | Dave | I get an Error 15: File not found when I try to boot to my new kernel. "kernel /boot/bzImage-2.6.10 ro root=LABEL=/" My kernel is in /boot and is called bzImage-2.6.10. Is there something wrong with my grub config? |
| 00:02.46 | AlphaOmega | ok, i see, so if the maintainer wanted to, they could up date all the way? |
| 00:03.01 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: in unstable and testing, yes. Not stable, though. |
| 00:03.16 | AlphaOmega | dondelelcaro : ok thanks |
| 00:03.21 | paulswm | AlphaOmega: I was away, if you are running a box at home, you'd probably want testing rather than stable, it's safe enough |
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| 00:04.31 | AlphaOmega | i think if i can show the main apps we use arent that old in version where we dont need the latest, i can get them to switch from doofus fedora to debian |
| 00:04.38 | skyisblue | for home anything is alright. |
| 00:04.47 | paulswm | stallman: I didn't mean to be short, I had to rush off, I'm averse to pms, but I thank you for being courteous and asking |
| 00:05.33 | prahal | Dave: if you do not have a "root (hdX,Y)" if hda1 X=0 and Y=0 before the kernel one, you should use "kernel (hdX,Y)/boot..." for it to find out the partition the file is on |
| 00:06.03 | dondelelcaro | AlphaOmega: what it really comes down to is whether or not someone is going to support the distribution that you have installed, and if you're going to be able to update it when the new version is released. Few distributions have the track record that Debian does in this area. |
| 00:07.48 | paulswm | AlphaOmega: I am certain that debian stable would be the only Linux distro that could even stand a chance of passing my corp's QA |
| 00:08.33 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you knwo if screen can split virtically? |
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| 00:08.49 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: no idea... I've never tried the splitting stuff |
| 00:08.50 | prahal | Dave: also you could replace root=LABEL=/ by root=/dev/hda1 , i m not sure but this LABEL thing is a RH hack i guess |
| 00:09.12 | Dave | ok |
| 00:09.40 | prahal | Dave: last if you have X , try grubconfig (gtk app), it s great to begin with grub |
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| 00:10.58 | skyisblue | deadcat: vim? :split |
| 00:11.05 | deadcat | skyisblue: screen |
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| 00:11.29 | prahal | would some ne interested in replacing all those boot maanger by xenoboot ? i love the idea of replacing ROM by a cdROM :) |
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| 00:11.41 | deadcat | skyisblue: vim has :vs and :sp |
| 00:11.44 | AlphaOmega | paulswm : ive been saying the same thing, if youre gonna run a linux server, its gotta be debian stable, i dont get it, they just let the SA chose which ever os he feels most comfortable with, then watch the SA waste 2 out of 4 weeks monkeying with missing libs and package mgmt and instability. |
| 00:11.45 | cavediver | Abyone using minimalist mailing manager? I can't get it to work. Using woody. |
| 00:12.14 | AlphaOmega | hes red hat certified, so.... |
| 00:12.28 | deadcat | (= |
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| 00:12.45 | ajs` | does anyone know why a harddrive is detected as hdi but there is no /dev/hdi device? |
| 00:12.53 | deadcat | and jumping around screen to screen in screen(1) is hard. |
| 00:12.55 | [Granger] | anyone seen the error No directory logging in with HOME=/ |
| 00:13.26 | Delph | deadcat: afaik, no, it can't go vertically. |
| 00:13.31 | deadcat | [Granger]: /home/user doesnt exist |
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| 00:13.39 | Delph | (or rather, i can't make it do it =:) |
| 00:13.53 | deadcat | Delph: ok... how do i go back? like i can go next with ^a+tab |
| 00:14.07 | Delph | man screen & read the default key bindings. |
| 00:14.15 | prahal | ajs`: which kind of hdd ? (firewire ...) |
| 00:14.25 | Delph | or "C-a-?" for a quickguide. |
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| 00:14.31 | prahal | deadcat: alt + numpad is wuite easy |
| 00:14.35 | ajs` | prahal: its just a westerndigital 80 gig pata drive |
| 00:14.36 | prahal | quite |
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| 00:14.44 | [Granger] | deadcat: yes it does |
| 00:14.45 | deadcat | Delph: it doesnt even show tab in ? |
| 00:14.46 | nvz | deadcat: ^a-a recalls the last screen |
| 00:14.49 | [Granger] | but it's on an FAT32 partition |
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| 00:14.55 | paulswm | AlphaOmega: it's unsafe, but I guess with a smaller company it's expensive to formalize QA, certification and acquirement procedures, much cheaper to blindly trust a single person |
| 00:15.04 | prahal | ajs`: are you sure its hdi , you can check with dmesg|grep hd |
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| 00:15.12 | Delph | deadcat: read the man page; really; it explains eeeeverything |
| 00:15.12 | ajs` | its on an onboard raid controller, but i dont think thats the prob since the controller sees 2 other drives |
| 00:15.14 | deadcat | nvz: ya. but i have 3 splits, |
| 00:15.21 | ajs` | yeah, im positive its hdi |
| 00:15.32 | nvz | deadcat: oh well, cry about it =P I don use splits |
| 00:15.41 | deadcat | [Granger]: perm denied maybe |
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| 00:15.54 | deadcat | nvz: hehe |
| 00:15.54 | exobyte | How can I connect to a server so I actually see the X login? I know the host allows me to do this. |
| 00:16.08 | Delph | deadcat: run two xterms next to each other. |
| 00:16.08 | deadcat | exobyte: vnc |
| 00:16.19 | deadcat | Delph: ya. thats the way to go i guess. |
| 00:16.23 | nvz | exobyte: thats called XDCMP, its a feature of the login manager |
| 00:16.26 | exobyte | deadcat: not vnc- it's somethng unix specific |
| 00:16.28 | nvz | deadcat: nope, vnc doesnt do it |
| 00:16.43 | Delph | vnc *can* do it |
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| 00:16.57 | Delph | if you start your login manager up with the Xvnc X server |
| 00:17.07 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 00:17.08 | Delph | oh, fark, client. oh, whatever. |
| 00:17.13 | KillerBunny | Debian wants to scan my hdds every 30 reboot or someting, how can i make it stop that? |
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| 00:17.21 | exobyte | nvz: that looks familar- I saw it in exceed before. I'll google it and see what I get |
| 00:17.22 | prahal | Dave: did this fixed the boot ? |
| 00:17.23 | Delph | KillerBunny: you dont. Its doing that for your protection. |
| 00:17.27 | nostalg1c | KillerBunny, you don't want to stop it. |
| 00:17.39 | nvz | exobyte: whatever pulls your wagon ;) |
| 00:17.47 | KillerBunny | Can i change the number to a higher then ? |
| 00:17.51 | simonrvn | i might as well just stcik it into rcs, be less of a fucking goddess-damned headache |
| 00:17.54 | Delph | KillerBunny: no; really; it knows best. |
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| 00:17.58 | nostalg1c | KillerBunny, you really shouldn't |
| 00:18.03 | Dave | prahal no, I tried taking out the /boot but when I booted to it again it put the /boot in before |
| 00:18.07 | ramzez | does 2.6.10 works with firewire external ide hdd ? I try with kernel-image from sid, but it doesn't work at all |
| 00:18.09 | skyisblue | deadcat: type "kuro5hin screen" in google.com |
| 00:18.21 | nostalg1c | KillerBunny, you're kinda asking on how to make the stoplights never turn to red :) |
| 00:18.25 | nostalg1c | because you like speeding |
| 00:18.27 | deadcat | skyisblue: thanks |
| 00:18.32 | skyisblue | ;) |
| 00:18.39 | pirlouit | is there a link explaining how to upgrade a default woody 3.0 (2.2 kernel) to a 2.4 kernel ? |
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| 00:19.15 | KillerBunny | nostalg1c, and you anwsering quistions i didnt ask, instead of anwsering what i asked =) |
| 00:19.26 | deadcat | pirlouit: apt-get install |
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| 00:19.47 | Delph | KillerBunny: If you dont know how, then you dont understand enough for it to be safe for you to do it. |
| 00:19.50 | nostalg1c | KillerBunny, because you are asking questions you shouldn't ask :) |
| 00:20.12 | prahal | Dave: why do you want to remove the /boot ? what is the current line ? |
| 00:20.15 | Delph | you might try another file system, however. |
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| 00:20.43 | pirlouit | deadcat: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18 ? |
| 00:20.54 | Dave | kernel /boot/bzImage-2.6.10 ro root=LABEL=/ |
| 00:20.58 | deadcat | pirlouit: you might want the latest 2.4 kernel |
| 00:21.26 | pirlouit | deadcat: I'll upgrade again after the 2.2 > 2.4 is done |
| 00:22.11 | paulswm | KillerBunny: what type filesystem(s) are you using? |
| 00:22.20 | KillerBunny | ext3 |
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| 00:24.07 | paulswm | KillerBunny: then you don't need such frequent checks, some say that you don't need them at all, but I would do them at least once a year. Man tune2fs to change it, and man fstab too |
| 00:24.08 | quadaptor | how to mount sony-p93 cam? |
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| 00:24.10 | KillerBunny | Okey thanks paulswm, finally somebody who gives a strait anwser. |
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| 00:24.26 | paulswm | KillerBunny: trying to get you to figure it out for yourself, you'll remember it better |
| 00:24.48 | Delph | KillerBunny: please dont whinge later on if you start losing data, however... |
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| 00:24.54 | paulswm | KillerBunny: np, asl some more if you get stuck |
| 00:25.17 | ajs` | sorry prahal what were you saying |
| 00:25.23 | KillerBunny | Delph, im an old windows user, im use to loosing data. |
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| 00:25.31 | Delph | KillerBunny: doesn't have to be. |
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| 00:25.42 | a487 | hi and sorry to disturb U but I try to know what is the real difference betw >ext2 & ext3 |
| 00:25.50 | a487 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.51 | ajs` | ext3 is journaled |
| 00:25.52 | Delph | a487: one's got a journal, one hasn't. |
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| 00:26.10 | prahal | ajs`: that you do not use udev (which create the device automaticaly (but its more a desktop thing) |
| 00:26.37 | ajs` | prahal: should i use it? |
| 00:26.39 | a487 | ok thanks |
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| 00:26.46 | prahal | and that /dev/ files are then only the comonly needed ones, to have hdi you will have to creat it by hand |
| 00:26.54 | paulswm | a487: the difference is that ext3 records what it does/is about to do in a journal so if something bad happens, like a power cut, the filesystem is always in a consistent state |
| 00:27.12 | quadaptor | lsusb shows: Bus 005 Device 009: ID 054c:0010 Sony Corp. DSC-S30/S70/S75/F505V/F505/FD92 Cybershot/Mavica Digital Camera, but how to mount in the sony-ds-p93? |
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| 00:27.25 | exobyte | I have a debian box. How can I connect to a remote xdmcp server? |
| 00:27.27 | ajs` | ahh, how do i create a device by hand? |
| 00:27.32 | prahal | ajs`: there is a tool to help creating those devices : # cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdi |
| 00:27.52 | ajs` | awesome, thanks alot for the info |
| 00:27.54 | a487 | paul*: all write |
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| 00:28.16 | paulswm | a487: apart from the ext3 journal, they're exactly the same, so an ext2 driver can read/write an ext3 filesystem (it just doens't know about or use the journal) |
| 00:28.19 | skyisblue | !slashdot |
| 00:28.23 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (10 shown): Comparing Linux To System VR4 ;; Gnome 10 Sneak Peek ;; Future of Internet News? ;; Novell to port Evolution to Windows ;; Wireless Bluetooth Sunglasses ;; Bezos's Blue Origin Prepares Launch Facility ;; Build an Open Source Network Sniffer ;; HDMI and What it Will Do for You ;; Andrew Tridgell Joins OSDL ;; Tiny Robots Powered by Living Muscle Cells. |
| 00:29.02 | a487 | oki but why he make me an error when i use Qparted and try to create an ext3 "part" |
| 00:29.04 | Talnakh | can anyone recommend a server implementation for EDI or EFT transfers on linux? |
| 00:29.39 | paulswm | a487: I don't know, I'm not familiar with qparted |
| 00:29.40 | prahal | ajs`: no pb , just for info , which sata/raid controller do you use (i had pb with dell ones) |
| 00:29.47 | zlost1 | why does dist-upgrade delete kde ? |
| 00:29.52 | prahal | and old kernels , maybe i should upgrade |
| 00:30.02 | ajs` | prahal: its a crappy onboard highpoint controller |
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| 00:30.29 | prahal | zlost1: dist-upgrade take the latest packages of everyhing no matter if it needs to remove something , upgrade is safer |
| 00:30.41 | cbillett | does anyone here know how i might locate the first child created under a given process? |
| 00:30.48 | mvhurja | what editor you prefear for code? |
| 00:30.56 | cbillett | if i have reference to a task_struct, say. |
| 00:30.58 | zlost1 | ya i noticed the hard way |
| 00:31.06 | ajs` | prahal: thanks again for the help, ive been messing with that for days now |
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| 00:31.25 | jcarr | how can I upgrade a single package with apt-get? |
| 00:31.34 | jcarr | I just want to upgrade firefox, nothing else |
| 00:31.36 | deadcat | jcarr: apt-get install pkg |
| 00:31.41 | zlost1 | so as i hear. distupgrade removed kde cause it presently conflicts with a new package |
| 00:31.44 | prahal | gdb , info threads ? or maybe looks for the id of the child in ps output and suppose the lowest one is the first |
| 00:32.07 | jcarr | deadcat, thanks |
| 00:32.18 | prahal | zlost1: :/ sadly some docs advertise it without warnings |
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| 00:32.30 | prahal | zlost1: that s it |
| 00:32.33 | paulswm | OK, I'm gone, stay safe everyone |
| 00:32.41 | jcarr | I have about 130 packages from sid marked as upgradable, yet thos packages work nice enough as they are and I have no wish to upgrade and potentially break them :) |
| 00:32.44 | prahal | paulswm: bye |
| 00:32.52 | zlost1 | im slow but im with ya |
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| 00:33.10 | jcarr | btw, is there a distro neutral linux channel? |
| 00:33.21 | zinx | #linux possibly? |
| 00:33.23 | deadcat | linux |
| 00:33.27 | a487 | thanks for all & Guidance |
| 00:33.30 | gravity | #linpeople |
| 00:33.33 | a487 | bye |
| 00:33.38 | deadcat | #linux, where all the windows users running windows hang out. |
| 00:33.40 | zlost1 | whereas upgreade upgrades to the present state and doesnt upgrade if it would cause a conflict |
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| 00:36.10 | prahal | zlost1: yup , note also that on stable and testing , dist-upgrade is safe , breaking dependencies take place in sid |
| 00:36.17 | TheStar | I have a seg fault on my main server whenever I'm running "gzip". |
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| 00:36.39 | zinx | TheStar: your system is broken |
| 00:36.44 | TheStar | I concluded that this was a result of disk corruption, however, now I'm recieving similar behaviour with "df" on another server, on different hardware, at a different location. |
| 00:37.10 | prahal | TheStar: are you prelinking ? |
| 00:37.25 | TheStar | The former was Debian Woody, this is Debian Sid, what makes this strange is the timeframe and that I've not done any changes on the Sid box for ages. |
| 00:37.30 | TheStar | prahal: I don't know. |
| 00:38.01 | prahal | TheStar: if you don t know you are not , its not enabled by default (as it breaks things easely) |
| 00:38.04 | thingfish | you would probably know if you were prelinking. |
| 00:38.06 | gravity | ew... prelinking... |
| 00:38.08 | david | Q: Can the sarge installer handle intel software raid? So far I have tried and met with no success at recognizing partitions, using the 2.4.27 installer. |
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| 00:38.27 | TheStar | Ok, I'll assume I'm not prelinking then. |
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| 00:38.31 | thingfish | prelinking...spawn of the devil, along with udev. |
| 00:38.43 | gravity | david: As far as I know, it should work. You may want to try the 2.6 option |
| 00:39.10 | prahal | Dave123: 2.6.9 or 2.4.29 at least , acpi=off is safer, maybe loading ataraid (2.4) or fakeraid(2.6) if you have raid activated in bios |
| 00:39.20 | helix | changing irssi themes is annoying |
| 00:39.21 | kantai | thingfish: what's wrong with udev? |
| 00:39.29 | prahal | damn s/Da123/david/ |
| 00:39.40 | david | gravity, i don't know how to invoke the 2.6 option... |
| 00:39.57 | thingfish | kantai: oh I don't know, although it figured in with a couple bugs I hit with udev in fedora. |
| 00:39.59 | nvz | helix: not as annoying as listening to you whine about it (: |
| 00:40.06 | helix | blah |
| 00:40.09 | nvz | heh |
| 00:40.18 | helix | nvz: well, the thing is, I need to keep typing to see changes |
| 00:40.21 | david | gravity, btw i'm trying to install from floppies. i just didn't see any 2.6 option for floppies. |
| 00:40.22 | gravity | david: Read the manual on the d-i site |
| 00:40.27 | prahal | thingfish: prelinking is great , i only hope they would be safe enough to not erase files when a power outtage happen during prelinking :( |
| 00:40.34 | gravity | david: Er... is this the woody installer or the sarge installer? |
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| 00:40.40 | kantai | thingfish: ah, it works well in debian :-) |
| 00:40.44 | david | grav, sarge.. |
| 00:40.57 | TheStar | prahal: Ok, I'm NOT prelinking then. |
| 00:41.00 | prahal | thingfish: feodora , you are looking after bugs man ,) |
| 00:41.00 | gravity | david: Check the d-i site for a link to the manual. It'll tell you how to do it |
| 00:41.04 | nvz | helix: yeah, I know what you mean.. I've done it before |
| 00:41.18 | david | ok |
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| 00:41.44 | thingfish | kantai: I shouldn't be surprised. |
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| 00:42.02 | thingfish | prahal: yes, fc3 was kind of rough for me. |
| 00:42.06 | prahal | TheStar: and you are on stable ... please report the bug , it may end up behing an hardware problem (thoug on two boxes there few luck) or glib bug |
| 00:42.09 | TheStar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.33 | TheStar | What does that mean? (during apt-get install coreutils) |
| 00:42.43 | TheStar | prahal: Well, the reason I'm not reporting is because this one is now Sid. |
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| 00:43.04 | TheStar | prahal: I'm still fairly sure that the case before on the woody box was hardware, though, but the timeing is freaky. |
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| 00:44.59 | thingfish | what, no updates for unstable today? |
| 00:45.01 | TheStar | How can I do that "backup link" manually, to troubleshoot the issue. |
| 00:45.15 | TheStar | thingfish: How often do you update? |
| 00:45.24 | thingfish | TheStar: daily |
| 00:45.34 | TheStar | thingfish: I just hope your a tester. |
| 00:45.49 | prahal | TheStar: hum df is pretty hdd agnostic (/proc is in ram) |
| 00:46.08 | TheStar | prahal: It seems to be seg faulting on link. |
| 00:46.13 | thingfish | TheStar: not a tester, but comfortable enough with linux and filing bug reports. Not that I've hit any bugs yet, amazingly. |
| 00:46.16 | TheStar | prahal: Or something, just a moment while I strace it. |
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| 00:47.09 | thingfish | this unstable is better linux than just about any other distro I've ever tried. |
| 00:47.21 | TheStar | thingfish: I still prefer woody. |
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| 00:48.38 | thingfish | I'm here at home on a desktop, everything I need is backed up, so... |
| 00:49.01 | TheStar | Fair enough |
| 00:49.14 | zignig | thingfish: yay for backups ! |
| 00:49.18 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:49.25 | prahal | TheStar: for the woody box , try smartmontools smartctl |
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| 00:50.59 | prahal | what was "link" btw ? |
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| 00:52.33 | TheStar | prahal: smartmontools? Sounds useful. |
| 00:52.42 | brynjarh | Is Debian compliant to the LSB(Linux Standard Base) [ http://www.linuxbase.org/ ]? If not, what's the reason? |
| 00:53.07 | TheStar | In /proc/partitions, what does aveq mean? |
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| 00:53.49 | prahal | i don t have aveq in it |
| 00:53.51 | Thaiger | How do I install php? |
| 00:53.55 | TheStar | brynjarh: rpm's is one issue, afaik. |
| 00:53.58 | prahal | maybe a 2.4 things |
| 00:54.02 | TheStar | Yup. |
| 00:54.04 | struct | is it necessary to create a separate /boot partition or is it recommended to keep it on /? |
| 00:54.26 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: when the LSB is not on crack, Debian is compliant. When it is, we ignore it. |
| 00:54.29 | TheStar | struct: Recommended to have separate. |
| 00:54.37 | TalkSoup | pau4o: dejurim i sluhtim, nali, Kamene? |
| 00:54.42 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.42 | struct | TheStar: what is the reason for it? |
| 00:54.53 | struct | oh, so it is no longer necessary prahal? |
| 00:54.59 | struct | i use grub |
| 00:55.08 | prahal | now it s useless except if you want / ot use a fs that linux cannot boot on |
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| 00:55.14 | dondelelcaro | it may still be necessary for grub if grub can't read your other partitions |
| 00:55.33 | thingfish | TalkSoup: what language is that, if I might ask? |
| 00:55.38 | struct | i see |
| 00:55.39 | dondelelcaro | (FE, if / is a sw raid 5 or something that grub can't possibly read) |
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| 00:55.47 | thingfish | It reminds me of bulgarian |
| 00:55.58 | struct | so it is probably safer to keep /boot on a separate partition? |
| 00:56.06 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 00:56.21 | dondelelcaro | struct: probably. But unless you're doing something wierd, it may be unecessary. |
| 00:56.35 | TheStar | struct: As a general rule, just go with convention unless you wanna experiment. |
| 00:56.46 | TalkSoup | thingfish: it is not Bulgarian, it is http://6lyokavitza.org |
| 00:56.48 | struct | TheStar: which is convention in this case? |
| 00:56.55 | TheStar | struct: To have a separate boot. |
| 00:56.58 | struct | ok. |
| 00:57.19 | bighead | hi |
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| 00:57.25 | struct | is there a convention for placing the swap partition in a certain place? i read that placing it as the first partition increases performance. |
| 00:57.39 | bighead | in my /etc/apt/sources.list, if I have the links/lines for unstable, do I need the ones for testing or stable? |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | that would opposite of what i would think |
| 00:57.42 | TheStar | struct: I like to put mine where it's not an extended partition. |
| 00:58.02 | dondelelcaro | struct: it doesn't really make a noticeable difference one way or the other. |
| 00:58.02 | interalia | bighead: no, not if you don't want them. |
| 00:58.04 | thingfish | TalkSoup: but I'm confused. that website you pointed me to, that's not bulgarian? |
| 00:58.04 | TheStar | bighead: Your using unstable, and you don't know how to use /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:58.07 | caskey | struct: same-cylynder seek times are higher in the first partition than the last |
| 00:58.08 | struct | ah ok |
| 00:58.09 | prahal | i have read that swap should be placed in the middle of the disk , before i was told it should go at start |
| 00:58.12 | Guerin | bighead: man sources.list |
| 00:58.15 | prahal | does someone knows ? |
| 00:58.21 | struct | caskey: is that a fact? |
| 00:58.23 | caskey | struct: yes |
| 00:58.25 | Guerin | prahal: it's irrelevant. |
| 00:58.35 | TheStar | caskey: Is it _still_ a fact? |
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| 00:58.38 | struct | caskey: do you place your swap partition in the beginning? |
| 00:58.44 | caskey | struct, TheStar: yes |
| 00:58.47 | TheStar | struct: caskey lives in the past. |
| 00:58.48 | thingfish | I mean I can recognize that it's bulgarian, but that's about it. |
| 00:58.49 | prahal | Guerin: why i guess the point is to avoid disk spanning too much |
| 00:58.55 | prahal | +heads |
| 00:58.55 | struct | hehe, who do i believe? |
| 00:58.57 | caskey | struct: always partition 2, right after /boot |
| 00:59.05 | struct | oh ok |
| 00:59.19 | dondelelcaro | caskey: unfortunatly, the logical disk doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the physical disk. |
| 00:59.19 | bighead | TheStar: heh. Well I was trying apt-spy, and it only spit out url's for unstable |
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| 00:59.30 | dondelelcaro | (or perhaps, fortunatly...) |
| 00:59.41 | interalia | prahal: some people think certain portions of the disk are a better choice. but in general, as soon as your machine starts using substantial swap, it will be annoyingly slow, and the location of swap will not make it less annoying. |
| 00:59.46 | TheStar | struct: Modern HDD's make it hard or impossible to manipulate with regards to "fast" and "slow" locations, etc. |
| 01:00.14 | struct | ah i see |
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| 01:00.15 | caskey | dondelelcaro: True, but P(at_hub) is higher for the first than the last, and since swap generally never gets resized, as ron would say, set it and forget it |
| 01:00.26 | _felipe_ | i've got a little challenge here, is it possible to install linux (any distro) on a machine without cd-rom??? |
| 01:00.43 | dac | _felipe_: you can install over network. |
| 01:00.46 | dondelelcaro | caskey: that assumes that the first partition allocated is actually at the hub. It's impossible to know that with the way that discs are currently allocated. |
| 01:00.52 | TalkSoup | thingfish: right, it's written in Bulgarian and it's all about a movement to stop the latin madness. I was just joking with a friend who' online here |
| 01:00.55 | prahal | interalia: ok, last advise may still apply , it was to split the swap between all disk, the kernel is supposed to optimized automagically that case (like raid0) |
| 01:00.56 | struct | so, swap can reside anywhere on the disk? |
| 01:01.16 | dondelelcaro | caskey: that also assumes a specific set of circumstances, and also depends on where the head is most likely going to be located. |
| 01:01.24 | Guerin | ffs |
| 01:01.25 | TheStar | struct: However, afaik, there is still a minute performance gain in not putting it in the extended partition. |
| 01:01.27 | caskey | dondelelcaro: I wouldn't bet on it for a particular instance, but that doesn't mean it won't be at the hub |
| 01:01.30 | TheStar | struct: Make it one of the first four. |
| 01:01.32 | _felipe_ | but for a network install do you need a bios that can boot from the network, don't you?? |
| 01:01.43 | Guerin | if you're that far into swap that it's important for your performance, you need to buy more ram |
| 01:01.46 | dondelelcaro | caskey: it begins to become such a complex thing to calculate that it stops mattering one way or the other. |
| 01:01.46 | TheStar | _felipe_: Or a floppy disk immage. |
| 01:01.47 | caskey | dondelelcaro: when you're swapping heavily, you're most likely to be loitering in the swap region |
| 01:01.56 | dac | _felipe_: yes, or a PXE network card. |
| 01:02.08 | Guerin | it's just fucking superstition, get over it |
| 01:02.15 | caskey | dondelelcaro: I'm not saying calculate it, I'm saying you can't hurt yourself by placing it low |
| 01:02.17 | _felipe_ | for the floppy disk option, is there any guide i can read?? |
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| 01:02.25 | TheStar | struct: Read: _minute_ gain |
| 01:02.33 | struct | k |
| 01:02.56 | pau4o | TalkSoup, i ti li pravish sushtoto |
| 01:03.05 | neenee | nite. |
| 01:03.15 | cthulfuego | minute gain? |
| 01:03.17 | TheStar | My apt-get update is hanging on: 99% [Packages gzip 13436781] <-- What is it doing? |
| 01:03.25 | TheStar | cthulfuego: Feel free to correct my spelling :) |
| 01:03.26 | caskey | You have three choices when placing your swap partition, a) first, b) somewhere in the middle, c) last. B is generally silly because you may want to move partitions around later |
| 01:03.27 | cthulfuego | Are there gentoo-ons on the loose again? |
| 01:03.35 | thingfish | TalkSoup: cool. I actually had a year of bulgarian at university. |
| 01:03.54 | caskey | therefore between a and c, if you can't predict with 100% certainty, go with the case that is at least more likely to give you the desired outcome |
| 01:03.56 | caskey | a |
| 01:04.07 | struct | caskey: what if my /boot is under my / partition, i want swap to be first correct? |
| 01:04.09 | Guerin | TheStar: one Packages.gz file isn't goming in for some reason. Find out which it is. |
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| 01:04.16 | TheStar | Guerin: Thanks. |
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| 01:04.28 | TheStar | _felipe_: Don't /msg me. |
| 01:04.32 | TheStar | _felipe_: And I'm busy. |
| 01:04.35 | FieldySnuts | heh. still missing the point about where on the disk |
| 01:04.43 | Cyanophytes | Anyone use P2P file sharing in debian linux? |
| 01:04.49 | cthulfuego | If it's any concolation, the new debian autopartitoner pops the swap partition last |
| 01:04.53 | FieldySnuts | nope, I don't see any warez kids |
| 01:04.58 | Guerin | struct: disct irrelevant |
| 01:05.00 | bighead | umm, another question. If I loose my sources.list, how can I get anoter default copy back? |
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| 01:05.06 | Guerin | struct: dict superstition |
| 01:05.08 | _felipe_ | puta los weones pesaos por la chucha, chupenlo con caca culiaos |
| 01:05.09 | ddfire | hi |
| 01:05.09 | cthulfuego | bighead: apt-setup |
| 01:05.13 | Guerin | dict don't fucking worry about it |
| 01:05.18 | FieldySnuts | can you guys freaking speak english or go away |
| 01:05.19 | struct | lol |
| 01:05.21 | caskey | struct: I put boot first always because its tiny, frankly the difference between 0 and +100M probably isn't even measurable. |
| 01:05.29 | bighead | cthulfuego, thanks |
| 01:05.29 | cthulfuego | !realspanish _felipe_ |
| 01:05.30 | dpkg | _felipe_: está usted oculto así como retardado? |
| 01:05.30 | FieldySnuts | @larg Guerin |
| 01:05.36 | redcliffe | hi all - how do setup an argument for a kernel module that's loaded by discover? |
| 01:05.37 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: I think caskey has made a valid point, just incorrect original arg |
| 01:05.40 | FieldySnuts | missed that one. |
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| 01:05.42 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: that was strangely poetic |
| 01:05.48 | FieldySnuts | yeah? cool |
| 01:05.56 | redcliffe | it's loading my saa7134 card, but not with the correct argument it requires to work properly |
| 01:05.56 | mike_ | hey, how the hell do u set a drives permissions? chmod 777 -R /backupdrive/ doesn't seem to be working.... |
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| 01:06.10 | dondelelcaro | mike_: uh, what fs is /backupdrive? |
| 01:06.12 | Guerin | mike_: you don't |
| 01:06.13 | ddfire | how i can see the device type if is an usb pendrive or a SCSI disk ? |
| 01:06.16 | cthulfuego | mike_: You need to have a filesystem that supports permissions. |
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| 01:06.25 | FieldySnuts | mike_: wow I hope you didn't do that. |
| 01:06.29 | cthulfuego | mike_: I expect you're using fat32, which doesn't. |
| 01:06.32 | mike_ | dondelelcaro: its vfat |
| 01:06.39 | FieldySnuts | vfat doesn't support permissions |
| 01:06.41 | dondelelcaro | !vfatrw |
| 01:06.41 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 01:06.42 | FieldySnuts | only at the mount point |
| 01:06.46 | dondelelcaro | mike_: read the above. |
| 01:06.47 | mike_ | so how can i write to it? |
| 01:06.52 | mike_ | thanks |
| 01:06.55 | Delph | mike_: you can set how you mount it up differently (see above) but not the files on the disk. |
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| 01:07.08 | Guerin | !tell mike_ about fvatrw |
| 01:07.11 | cthulfuego | Use a real filesystem or read the 'man mount' page. Takle note of the 'umask', 'uid' and 'gid' options. |
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| 01:07.17 | TheStar | I am having IDENTICAL issues with the two computers. |
| 01:07.22 | [Roosta] | can anyone tell me what package(s) need to be installed to get javac installed? |
| 01:07.24 | TheStar | This is looking less and less like a hardware issue :( |
| 01:07.27 | [Roosta] | i guess i need a JVM |
| 01:07.27 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:07.30 | Guerin | that didn't work |
| 01:07.34 | struct | [Roosta]: /msg dpkg java |
| 01:07.36 | TheStar | Same issue between woody (with backports) and sid. |
| 01:07.39 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: fvat... |
| 01:07.41 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: wankers keep removing factoids and commands |
| 01:07.44 | cthulfuego | [Roosta]: No, you need the JDK |
| 01:07.45 | TheStar | Except, different binary. |
| 01:08.01 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:08.06 | Guerin | my typing is to blame again |
| 01:08.10 | [Roosta] | cthulfuego - yea actually, sun's jdk i guess, or ibm's |
| 01:08.11 | TheStar | Could someone care to look at my #flood? |
| 01:08.13 | Guerin | !tell mike_ about vfatrw |
| 01:08.15 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: heh sort of like @larg ? |
| 01:08.36 | mike_ | Guerin: someone already sent me that |
| 01:08.42 | mike_ | Guerin: bit slow |
| 01:08.49 | Delph | [Roosta]: sun-j2sdk1.4 is where you wanna be, i imagine the dpkg link will help more. |
| 01:08.54 | FieldySnuts | heh! an strace is gonna be a bit big, son. try a pastebin |
| 01:08.54 | nvz | Whoever said dog is man's best friend is probably responsible for all the other male stereotypes |
| 01:08.58 | Guerin | mike_: I was just going for the completion bonus. |
| 01:09.05 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: Not these ones. |
| 01:09.11 | struct | Delph: why not 1.5? |
| 01:09.21 | [Roosta] | thanks Delph |
| 01:09.25 | Delph | well, if you want, but i'm not a great believer in 1.5 |
| 01:09.25 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: Much less than 20 lines. |
| 01:09.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump java |
| 01:09.29 | ravenbird | wish i knew, FieldySnuts |
| 01:09.32 | FieldySnuts | ;/ |
| 01:09.33 | [Roosta] | is testing/unstable sarge? |
| 01:09.38 | Delph | uhhm, oops. |
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| 01:09.41 | prahal | redcliffe: depends on 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:09.45 | struct | [Roosta]: if you're in sid you can make your own j2sdk package with java-package |
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| 01:09.48 | Delph | oh poop, i think that was the wrong package. |
| 01:09.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: kill java |
| 01:09.54 | Guerin | [Roosta]: no, testing/unstable is an old sarge/sid; or knoppix or something like that |
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| 01:10.26 | prahal | kaffe is quite good for desktop java |
| 01:10.31 | TheStar | Ok, I'll put it in a pastebin |
| 01:11.08 | [Roosta] | i have testing in my sources.list, i'm not even sure if that's what i want anymore. is that still what i want to be ahead of stable, but not on the cutting edge |
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| 01:11.15 | redcliffe | prahal: it's a 2.6 |
| 01:11.24 | paster | "TheStar" at 220.244.224.172 pasted "Strace of "df"." (22 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/196 |
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| 01:12.00 | TheStar | That is the *whole* strace, btw. |
| 01:12.14 | [Roosta] | ok testing is what i still want, i don't think that's changed. debian_version says i'm at 3.1 |
| 01:12.25 | TheStar | This is completely identical to my issue with gzip, on woody (that one is on Sid) |
| 01:12.35 | __felipe__ | hi guys, can anyone lend me a hand here, i need to boot with a floppy and i don't know how |
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| 01:13.06 | TheStar | This is looking less and less like a faulty HDD. |
| 01:13.06 | blal | After including "unix/:7101" (used by xfstt), programs such as xfontsel and xvidtune (Athena widgets) default to an unintelligible font. "xset -fp unix:/7101" restores a legible font (while denying me access to TrueType fonts in X). What's the problem? |
| 01:13.09 | cthulfuego | [Roosta]: Simply go to the Sun website, download the JDK .bin file. |
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| 01:13.30 | jsbiff | is there a way to get dpkg/apt to purge configuration files for packages that were already removed? |
| 01:13.37 | cthulfuego | [Roosta]: Then apt-get install java-package and run 'make-kpkg sun-jdk....bin' |
| 01:13.42 | cthulfuego | [Roosta]: That makes anice .deb. |
| 01:13.46 | TheStar | Ok, it seems I can't install *anything* via apt. |
| 01:13.53 | TheStar | Just like my other (woody) server. |
| 01:13.54 | cthulfuego | [Roosta]: Sorry, make-jpkg |
| 01:13.55 | blal | Eh, "After including 'FontPath "unix/:7101"' in XF86Config-4... |
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| 01:14.08 | TheStar | cp is seg faulting as well. |
| 01:14.09 | prahal | redcliffe : there is a debian tool to manage modules , modconf |
| 01:14.12 | mike_ | can the same thing be done with ntfs file system? |
| 01:14.24 | cthulfuego | mike_: No, you can't write to NTFS |
| 01:14.27 | jsbiff | I noticed that there is at least one cron file left for sendmail which I temporarily installed, then decided to use exim4 |
| 01:14.38 | mike_ | cthulfuego: i mean read |
| 01:14.42 | cthulfuego | mike_: (Yopu *can* mount it readable via umask and uid/gid) |
| 01:14.44 | redcliffe | prahal: ah ok |
| 01:14.54 | john | Quick question.. I was listening to xmms earlier, and my system got really slow and crashed. and i rebooted.. and now xmms opens, the song starts.. but nothing plays out of the speakers.. any idea? |
| 01:14.57 | mike_ | cthulfuego: k, thanks |
| 01:15.04 | prahal | i have a doubt suddently , to set options for module under debian , are we supposed to set the option in an /etc/modutils (debian) or /etc/modprobe.d (kernel 2.6) file ? |
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| 01:15.20 | cthulfuego | prahal: /etc/modprobe.d/foo |
| 01:15.29 | prahal | thanks |
| 01:15.52 | redcliffe | prahal: hmm ok, that modconf doesn't have anywhere to control the options |
| 01:16.09 | john | Nevermind.. system sounds turned down for some reason. |
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| 01:17.37 | blal | After including 'FontPath "unix/:7101"' (used by xfstt), programs such as xfontsel and xvidtune (Athena widgets) default to an unintelligible font. "xset -fp unix:/7101" restores a legible font (while denying me access to TrueType fonts in X). What's the problem? |
| 01:17.39 | PhUrl | so how can i get open office calc to import a text file? (without pasting it ) |
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| 01:17.45 | prahal | redcliffe: i use the manual way , i add a line like : "options bttv buffers=8 card=39" tehn use the update-modules command |
| 01:18.00 | [Roosta] | cthulfuego - E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 01:18.10 | redcliffe | prahal: which conf file do you add that to? |
| 01:18.21 | prahal | redcliffe: when you press enter on a driver , modconf try to load it and ask if you want ot pass it options |
| 01:18.30 | redcliffe | ah ok |
| 01:18.32 | cthulfuego | [Roosta]: Might be in contrib (or even non-free) |
| 01:18.44 | prahal | redcliffe: as i told i still use the manual way, but i bet modconf save the options when you use it |
| 01:19.07 | redcliffe | ok i'll try it that way |
| 01:20.08 | [Roosta] | aw, java-package is in unstable |
| 01:20.15 | fbhjr | jsbiff: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 01:20.19 | redcliffe | seems to have worked |
| 01:20.40 | diensthunds | can anybody tell me if there is a problem with autofs in sarge? |
| 01:20.47 | Guerin | [Roosta]: use it anyway. It's just a script. |
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| 01:21.20 | prahal | redcliffe: you can check that it has saved the setting ? i would like to now : grep "your_module_name" /etc/modprobe.d/ -r |
| 01:21.23 | legis | what's the protocol for a serial mouse? |
| 01:21.27 | prahal | + can you |
| 01:22.14 | Guerin | PhUrl: #openoffice.org |
| 01:22.20 | PhUrl | thanks |
| 01:22.50 | drac | [Roosta]: There is java-package also in testing.. |
| 01:22.57 | prahal | ledet: RS232 |
| 01:23.08 | [Roosta] | drac - didn't see it at packages.debian.org |
| 01:23.08 | drac | oh nevermind |
| 01:23.09 | sgeigerb` | legis: for gpm? |
| 01:23.11 | brynjarh | In what cases would it be better to use 'upgrade' instead of 'dist-upgrade'? Isn't the difference just that if a new version of a package requires a new dependence the package gets upgraded with 'dist-upgrade' by also installing the new package but does not get upgraded if you use upgrade? |
| 01:23.22 | legis | sgeigerb`for X |
| 01:23.23 | prahal | oups sorry |
| 01:23.25 | redcliffe | prahal: yep it's added a file for that saa7134 with the options in it |
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| 01:23.48 | sgeigerb` | legis: Not sure. Perhaps MouseSystems |
| 01:23.50 | prahal | redcliffe: thanks i will recommand this tool then |
| 01:24.06 | vulture | brynjarh: dist-upgrade can also cause packages to be removed if the conflict with upgrades, I believe |
| 01:24.09 | legis | sgeigerb` k, i'll try |
| 01:24.16 | redcliffe | prahal: yeah looks pretty good |
| 01:24.18 | sgeigerb` | legis: um...I thin kthnat's wrong. |
| 01:24.20 | jsbiff | fbhjr: Thanks. I didn't run that exact command, but that helped anyhow |
| 01:24.32 | brynjarh | vulture: ah yea, that's it. |
| 01:24.41 | prahal | brynjarh: dist-upgrade can remove packages you do not want to, upgrade will never do it |
| 01:25.01 | [Roosta] | so now that i have make-jpkg i need to get a java distro |
| 01:25.05 | prahal | +do not want be deinstalled |
| 01:25.29 | legis | sgeigerb` k |
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| 01:25.49 | Guerin | dist-upgrade can also install new packages; upgrade just upgrades packages which are already installed |
| 01:26.03 | sgeigerb` | legis: Maybe it is MouseSystems |
| 01:26.04 | prahal | [Roosta]: when you have it , could you sometime try your apps with kaffe, it s working great but need testing |
| 01:26.09 | sgeigerb` | legis: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/XFree86-Second-Mouse.html#PROTOCOL |
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| 01:26.37 | sgeigerb` | legis: In any case, it seems googlible. |
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| 01:26.49 | prahal | Guerin: nope, whenever evolution need a new gtkhtml , the lib is installed |
| 01:27.08 | legis | sgeigerb` ok thanks |
| 01:27.10 | sgeigerb` | legis: either way, let me know. |
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| 01:27.20 | legis | sgeigerb` sure |
| 01:27.21 | cire | if I do nothing on my Laptop, the temperature stays at 39°C. The funny thing is: Fan stops at 38°C. Is it possible to tell the fan at which temperature it should start or stop? |
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| 01:27.37 | prahal | i don t know if dist-upgrade manages recommand or suggest different than upgrade , but if a package depends on anotehr they both install it |
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| 01:27.44 | diensthunds | anybody know if autofs has any bugs filed against it in sarge I can not for the life of me get it to work despite reading all I can find on the web pages |
| 01:27.52 | [Roosta] | prahal - sure, shouldn't be a big deal |
| 01:27.54 | vulture | diensthunds: check the bts yourself.. |
| 01:27.57 | sgeigerb` | cire: is the system using ACPI? |
| 01:28.02 | cire | yes |
| 01:28.06 | vulture | !tell diensthunds about bts |
| 01:28.39 | sgeigerb` | cire: This is a specification by Toshiba, Intel and Microsoft. Besides many other things it also defines power management. This is why it is often compared to APM. The ACPI4Linux project has started at the beginning of 1999. The ACPI4Linux project is a kernel driver project aimed at implementing full ACPI support for Linux, including fan control, dock/undock detection and a WindowMaker dockable temperature meter. You may reach i |
| 01:28.39 | sgeigerb` | t at ACPI4Linux . http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:28.42 | diensthunds | he told me |
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| 01:29.06 | diensthunds | back in a few |
| 01:29.07 | sgeigerb` | cire: CONFIG_ACPI_FAN: This driver adds support for ACPI fan devices, allowing user-mode applications to perform basic fan control (on, off, status). |
| 01:29.24 | sgeigerb` | cire: are you running acpid? |
| 01:29.32 | prahal | maybe its time dpkg learn about acpi ! can someone learn him |
| 01:29.42 | cire | sgeigerb: Depends the possibility of controling my fan on the abilities of my mainboard? |
| 01:29.45 | sgeigerb` | !+acpi |
| 01:29.45 | dpkg | i heard acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0" |
| 01:29.49 | samuel | hello all |
| 01:30.01 | sgeigerb` | cire: what? |
| 01:30.21 | sgeigerb` | cire: I'm asking you because perhaps that is the app that controls whether the fan is off or on. |
| 01:30.22 | cire | Does ANY mainboard, using ACPI, allow fan control? |
| 01:30.43 | samuel | am i correct in thinking that since there are like no viruses for linux an antivirus for linux looks for windows viruses? |
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| 01:31.08 | zignig | samuel: there are virii for linux , they are just comaprativly rare. |
| 01:31.14 | sgeigerb` | cire: If the kernel supports it and the motherboard support it, you can control the fan...but you have to have support in the kernel...and userspace programs, probably like acpid |
| 01:31.19 | Guerin | samuel: no. It doesn't care what platform the code is supposed to run on. |
| 01:31.22 | zignig | samuel: but yes most of the scanners look for windows virus. |
| 01:31.32 | danielon | hello |
| 01:31.34 | prahal | try cpufreq , by lowering cpu usage you may go beyond 39 C , i don t know about a fan control thing |
| 01:31.49 | vulture | samuel: I believe you can get anti-virus sofware to run on linux that is useful for scanning mail that might be destined for windows systems, etc.. |
| 01:32.06 | vulture | most virus scanning systems would be modular enough to look for signatures of any kind, within reason |
| 01:32.08 | samuel | vulture, thats what i thought |
| 01:32.08 | Guerin | better to just strip attachments |
| 01:32.21 | cire | prahal: This is weird. Throtteling my CPU by BIOS or OS makes no chance. |
| 01:32.24 | vulture | Guerin: depends who you are providing mail for |
| 01:32.31 | cire | s/chance/change |
| 01:32.32 | Guerin | vulture: yeah :( |
| 01:32.33 | samuel | Guerin, im sorry, what do you mean? |
| 01:32.47 | vulture | samuel: ideally one wouldn't let windows users have attachments |
| 01:32.52 | vulture | that's not generally practicle |
| 01:33.05 | Guerin | samuel: remove and quaranting all attachmeents with a certain pattern in their names - like .poif, .scr, .bat, .exe ... |
| 01:33.06 | skyisblue | i would see if Is there any virus for linux. |
| 01:33.19 | samuel | i see |
| 01:33.25 | Guerin | not necessarily ALL attachments - just dirty ones. |
| 01:33.43 | danielon | i want to know a good resource about webhosting within virtual server. I can't find a good one |
| 01:33.48 | samuel | i love the one thats called "Importanttextfile.txt .exe" |
| 01:33.53 | Guerin | danielon: rimuhosting.com |
| 01:34.02 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:34.11 | Guerin | you want a discussion forum or something? |
| 01:34.39 | cire | I have FAN control enabled in my kernel, but /proc/acpi/fan is empty. What does this mean? |
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| 01:34.55 | danielon | Guerin: i want to provide the service |
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| 01:35.06 | danielon | but i must learn how to do it |
| 01:35.14 | sgeigerb` | cire: ***ARE YOU USING ANY USERSPACE PROGRAMS LIKE acpid??*** |
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| 01:35.43 | abrotman | HOW DO I CHECK? |
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| 01:35.51 | Guerin | danielon: look at uml; or if you're really keen, talk to sgeigerb` about xen |
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| 01:36.21 | cire | sgeigerb: I'm installing it at the moment |
| 01:36.33 | SambearPoet | I have a brand new installation of the latest stable version of debian. I ran apt-get install phpgroupware, knowing that it would also install php3 and mysql in the process of isntalling phpgroupware. It ran, it completed, it seemed to be fine, but PHP is not responding on my apache server, although the server is fine. Any ideas from anyone? |
| 01:36.54 | cthulfuego | Can any of you paste me the exim entries from /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/group? |
| 01:37.19 | vulture | cthulfuego: err... no. |
| 01:37.30 | cthulfuego | (sarge) |
| 01:37.40 | prahal | cthulfuego: exim4 or 3 ? |
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| 01:37.44 | cthulfuego | prahal: exim4 |
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| 01:38.04 | Guerin | cthulfuego: passwd: Debian-exim:x:102:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
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| 01:38.28 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Actually, can you give me the one from the statoverride as well? |
| 01:38.35 | diensthunds | hmmm ok none of the bugs but one seem to apply to what's wrong with my setup |
| 01:38.40 | prahal | adduser --system --group --home /var/spool/exim4 --no-create-home \ |
| 01:38.40 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.43 | jimmybgood | anyone know where I might find the Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2005) |
| 01:38.54 | fcrick | hi - i apt-get installed something, and the configuration failed because I put in a bad setting - how do i restart the configuration script launched in the install from scratch? |
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| 01:39.23 | abrotman | fcrick: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 01:39.28 | fcrick | thanks |
| 01:39.32 | szi | debian4life |
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| 01:39.49 | prahal | passwd: Debian-exim:x:135:135::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
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| 01:40.06 | diensthunds | is anybody using autofs in testing succesfully? |
| 01:40.07 | prahal | group: Debian-exim:x:135: |
| 01:40.23 | fcrick | dpkg-reconfigure: mantis is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:40.32 | fcrick | any ideas? i can't seem to get what i first got... |
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| 01:40.37 | Guerin | cthulfuego: group: Debian-exim:x:102: shadow: Debian-exim:!:12625:0:99999:7::: statoverride: root Debian-exim 0640 /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 01:40.40 | prahal | shadow: Debian-exim:!:12605:0:99999:7::: |
| 01:40.43 | cthulfuego | cheers |
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| 01:40.58 | prahal | gshadow: Debian-exim:!:: |
| 01:41.01 | diensthunds | fcrick you could try to apt-get remove --purge=yes package then reinstall it |
| 01:41.13 | kantai | anyone know of any x.org plans in debian? |
| 01:41.17 | Eclipser | shouldn't just apt-get install (-f) do it? |
| 01:41.20 | Guerin | kantai: topic |
| 01:41.32 | fcrick | thanks |
| 01:41.33 | Guerin | diensthunds: that won't work if it breaks deps |
| 01:41.44 | diensthunds | ah it was just one idea |
| 01:41.48 | cire | now, I have installed acpid, but I cannot run it, because "acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy" |
| 01:41.56 | Eclipser | apt-get install -f ?-p |
| 01:42.02 | Eclipser | or something |
| 01:42.10 | cthulfuego | retarded dpkg |
| 01:42.17 | Guerin | apt-get -f install ; -f stands for 'fix', not 'force' |
| 01:42.27 | fcrick | gah the frikkin purge script errors too...any idea where those setup script settings are kept? |
| 01:42.52 | diensthunds | depends on the package dosn't it? |
| 01:42.57 | Guerin | fcrick: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 01:43.10 | drac | I have no idea 'bout xorg's config file, basically what I'm trying to ask is, can I use XF86Config-4 as xorg.conf ? |
| 01:43.10 | prahal | kantai: xorg is after sarge ( xfree need a lot of work to be stable enough) more in topic |
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| 01:43.25 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 01:43.25 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 01:43.25 | Eclipser | fcrick, did you try apt-get -f install ? |
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| 01:43.38 | Guerin | drac: I'm pretty sure you can. |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | Guerin: i think you're in some bad company |
| 01:43.40 | fcrick | i'll try that |
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| 01:43.48 | prahal | cire does the /proc/acpi/events file exists ? |
| 01:43.52 | Guerin | abrotman: how's that? |
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| 01:44.15 | abrotman | Guerin: you must be the only one with an above average knowledge of debian .. this is looking pretty grim |
| 01:44.23 | quist | Is there currently a problem with the gnucash/unstable package? |
| 01:44.30 | drac | Guerin: Ok, thanks. |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | quist: check BTS |
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| 01:44.34 | Guerin | drac: the few times I've installed it from debian packages, it's made a copy of my XF86Config-4 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:44.35 | fcrick | Eclipser: doesn't help |
| 01:44.39 | quist | I can't seem to load it. |
| 01:44.43 | diensthunds | sorry abrotman I'm still learning about how deb does what it does |
| 01:44.44 | nvz | abrotman: considering what average? heh |
| 01:44.44 | Guerin | abrotman: that IS a sorry state of affairs. |
| 01:44.49 | quist | abrotman: BTS? |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:44.54 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:45.01 | abrotman | nvz: you wanna be average? |
| 01:45.01 | quist | Ah. |
| 01:45.04 | quist | Thanks. |
| 01:45.12 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Who doesn't? |
| 01:45.18 | diensthunds | oh oh I wanna be avarage <--grins |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | average |
| 01:45.25 | cire | prahal: yes |
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| 01:46.42 | prahal | abrotman: guess you are the only skillfull troller here .) |
| 01:46.57 | abrotman | prahal: you think i'm a troller? .. |
| 01:47.02 | Thong-Licker | apt nvidia |
| 01:47.03 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | Guerin: i'm a troll aren't i? |
| 01:47.10 | fcrick | it has this bad setting hidden somewhere on my machine...gah... |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | !nvidia |
| 01:47.11 | dpkg | nvidia is probably To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 01:47.17 | bob2 | kthx. |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:47.35 | gravity | Heh... go GregKH |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | did bob2 just say "kthk" ? |
| 01:47.43 | abrotman | err kthx |
| 01:47.51 | mrwill | abrotman: that's what I saw. |
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| 01:48.51 | prahal | cire: then you should have /proc/acpi/fan , if there is a file in it try to read it |
| 01:48.54 | diensthunds | well crap still no luck after having read through the bugs |
| 01:49.00 | nvz | this actress on "Touched by an angel" can just about get me crying sometimes |
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| 01:49.06 | nvz | she's good |
| 01:49.10 | abrotman | nvz: you wussy .. |
| 01:49.13 | nvz | heh |
| 01:49.18 | abrotman | nvz: andrew mccarthy is on law and order |
| 01:49.20 | cire | prahal: but proc/acpi/fan is empty |
| 01:49.31 | nvz | abrotman: she's got a lot of emotion in her voice |
| 01:49.34 | skyisblue | is there movie channel on freenode? |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | !warez skyisblue |
| 01:49.53 | nvz | skyisblue: nope, but #debian is well known for good recipies |
| 01:49.57 | bob2 | skyisblue: for downloading movies? |
| 01:50.05 | Thong-Licker | psst--- where do I go torrent stuff? |
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| 01:50.11 | nvz | bob2: I think he was looking for a place to tell me to go to |
| 01:50.12 | skyisblue | abrotman, bob2: no |
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| 01:50.14 | Guerin | Thong-Licker: mpaa.com |
| 01:50.16 | Thong-Licker | s/go/go for/ |
| 01:50.20 | Guerin | skyisblue: mpaa.com |
| 01:50.31 | bob2 | to discuss movies, #try-talking-to-people-in-real-life |
| 01:50.33 | skyisblue | talking channel |
| 01:50.42 | prahal | cire: www.e.kth.s/~e99_cog/md2812/md2812/ it has a script to start/stop the fan |
| 01:50.42 | diensthunds | maybe I should have asked if anybody has a working autofs for sarge |
| 01:50.44 | skyisblue | :P |
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| 01:51.06 | sh0n | where is debian unstable channel? |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | !sid |
| 01:51.15 | dpkg | [sid] the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 01:51.19 | Thong-Licker | i am unstable |
| 01:51.21 | Guerin | sh0n: this is not the channel you're looking for |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | Thong-Licker: tmi. |
| 01:51.30 | sh0n | found it |
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| 01:51.36 | abrotman | Guerin: this is bad |
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| 01:51.38 | abrotman | foudn it? |
| 01:51.44 | abrotman | wtf .. he went to d-d? |
| 01:51.47 | Thong-Licker | tmi??? |
| 01:51.49 | Guerin | abrotman: and getting worse |
| 01:51.54 | cire | prahal: I cannot open the URI |
| 01:51.56 | Guerin | Thong-Licker: three mile island |
| 01:51.59 | Guerin | of course |
| 01:52.00 | abrotman | !tmi |
| 01:52.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 01:52.12 | prahal | cire: it may be that your laptop does not have acpi fan control though i doubt it , you may check by googling for "acpi fan your_laptop_name" |
| 01:52.20 | diensthunds | I used to live not to far from TMI |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | linux-laptop.net |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | diensthunds: and your english is that bad? .. i worked in the PA capitol building |
| 01:52.52 | SambearPoet | Is there a channel for people who install software using apt-get |
| 01:52.58 | diensthunds | what's wrong with my english |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | "to" ? |
| 01:53.07 | Guerin | SambearPoet: this is not the channel you're looking for |
| 01:53.12 | nvz | abrotman: who the hell is adrew mccarthy anyhow, and whats that got to do with anything =P |
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| 01:53.19 | diensthunds | that's my spelling |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | nvz: it's just fucking weird |
| 01:53.25 | SambearPoet | Why do you say that Guerin? |
| 01:53.28 | mrwill | SambearPoet: are you still trying to solve that php problem? |
| 01:53.30 | prahal | cire: sorry a typo; http://www.e.kth.se/~e99_cog/md2812/md2812/ |
| 01:53.31 | diensthunds | my english is fine my spelling just sucks |
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| 01:53.33 | nvz | abrotman: I am confused |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | SambearPoet: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | nvz: join the club .. i blame the estrogen |
| 01:53.46 | nostalg1c | has anyone here used spamassassin? is it "safe" to use? i mean, my client's bayesan filter sometimes filters out spam messages that are not spam.. if this happens at server level, mails might get lost? |
| 01:53.55 | SambearPoet | Yes, MrWill |
| 01:53.57 | nvz | heh, estrogen eh? |
| 01:53.58 | abrotman | !sa |
| 01:53.58 | dpkg | from memory, sa is a cipa |
| 01:54.05 | Guerin | nostalg1c: depends what you do with spam messages |
| 01:54.09 | mrwill | nostalg1c: it's safe, it only tags messages, doesn't delete them. |
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| 01:54.26 | prahal | cire : the script on this page require the fan files in /proc/acpi/fan ... you still have to check if fan is supported by your laptop |
| 01:54.27 | mrwill | SambearPoet: run it by us again, would you? have you made any progress? |
| 01:54.28 | Guerin | nostalg1c: if you deliver them all, and allow clients to filter based on headers, then they only have themselves to blame. |
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| 01:54.47 | nvz | abrotman: its a good thing I scrolled back up and inquired about that one.. seems like you were just going to leave that punchline hanging |
| 01:54.58 | abrotman | nvz: heh .. |
| 01:54.58 | diensthunds | there ya go let the client mess it up then it's their fault if they delete an e-mail by mistake |
| 01:54.58 | Guerin | nostalg1c: you can also tweak the levels - require 10 points instead of 5 to be marked as spam, etc. |
| 01:55.17 | SambearPoet | No, I haven't actually MrWill. The thing is, I have a brand new plain vanilla version of Debian installed from an .iso I burned. |
| 01:55.19 | Guerin | diensthunds: anything in particular that's wrong with that approach? |
| 01:55.21 | diensthunds | I will have to remember that next time I set up a box for somebody |
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| 01:55.41 | diensthunds | lol not a thing guerin |
| 01:55.47 | nostalg1c | Guerin, hmm good point.. can i make it mark them with say, [SPAM] in the subject or something? |
| 01:55.48 | prahal | cire: you should try "modprobe acpi_fan" |
| 01:55.49 | mrwill | SambearPoet: good! so you just need to set this up. |
| 01:55.53 | SambearPoet | Only other thing I've done with it is to type apt-get install phpgroupware - which also (so I thought) would install php3 and mysql |
| 01:55.54 | Guerin | nostalg1c: hell yeah. |
| 01:56.09 | nostalg1c | cool |
| 01:56.16 | nostalg1c | i'm so nearing a nervious breakdown |
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| 01:56.23 | mrwill | SambearPoet: did it? does dpkg -l | grep php report php3 is installed? |
| 01:56.24 | cire | I do not have this module. (I built it into the kernel?) |
| 01:56.26 | jordo | Hey debianites... |
| 01:56.36 | diensthunds | but alas that isn't getting me any farther along on me autofs problem |
| 01:56.48 | Thong-Licker | any one tried open source nvidia driver? how is it? is it good enuogh to use for non-3D stuff? |
| 01:56.49 | nostalg1c | i have to transfer a complete webhosting server (mail/www/db/...) from a freebsd server to a linux server in 14 days.. but the old server was using qmail and stuff, software that kinda sucks |
| 01:56.50 | mrwill | jordo: hey. |
| 01:56.53 | Guerin | nostalg1c: you can even set different levels: 5-10 = {maybe spam}; 10-15 = {definitely spam}, etc. |
| 01:57.09 | nostalg1c | cool |
| 01:57.15 | SambearPoet | Well, now, that may be the problem. I thought it did, but apparently it did not. |
| 01:57.18 | SambearPoet | D'oh. |
| 01:57.24 | SambearPoet | That would explain why it's not parsing files. |
| 01:57.24 | jordo | Can someone recommend an irc client that's good.... |
| 01:57.28 | shmike | is it safe to use unstable packages in testing? |
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| 01:57.31 | diensthunds | what's wrong with qmail? I knew an admin at an ISP that used it with great results |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | irssi-text |
| 01:57.34 | cthulfuego | shmike: no |
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| 01:57.36 | mrwill | jordo: many people here like irssi. |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | diensthunds: qmail sucks .. bad .. try postfix |
| 01:57.42 | shmike | i just did |
| 01:57.42 | prahal | Thong-Licker: its better tahn nvidia one for non 3d ( you can suspend, less crash, ...) |
| 01:57.43 | jordo | Why irssi? |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | diensthunds: where in PA did you live? |
| 01:58.00 | verNoningoaL | ok quick question where and how do i get debian |
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| 01:58.06 | Guerin | diensthunds: you've clearly never used qmail. |
| 01:58.06 | skyisblue | jordo: gaim |
| 01:58.09 | abrotman | verNoningoaL: server or workstation? |
| 01:58.17 | diensthunds | abrotman: Lancaster |
| 01:58.17 | verNoningoaL | o.s |
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| 01:58.21 | abrotman | diensthunds: ew |
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| 01:58.25 | abrotman | verNoningoaL: what? |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | verNoningoaL: server or workstation? |
| 01:58.29 | jordo | I have heard IRSSI is good....but why? |
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| 01:58.33 | Turaldane | Hey guys |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | diensthunds: i was just there on saturday |
| 01:58.36 | verNoningoaL | operating system |
| 01:58.39 | SambearPoet | OK, wait. php3 is installed. |
| 01:58.41 | diensthunds | what abrotman I like the Amish |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | verNoningoaL: is the machine a server or workstation |
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| 01:58.50 | abrotman | diensthunds: nothing wrong with them :) |
| 01:58.51 | verNoningoaL | ooo |
| 01:58.52 | verNoningoaL | haha |
| 01:58.52 | diensthunds | they make good food |
| 01:58.55 | Guerin | SambearPoet: have you told apache to load the php module/s? |
| 01:58.59 | mrwill | SambearPoet: ok, is the module in the webserver, or are you running it as cgi? |
| 01:59.00 | Lord-Cereburus | wow, i'm really pissed with winblows. and now, i just started a backup of this HDD (just incase) and i'm putting *nix on the machine |
| 01:59.01 | Turaldane | Doin a fresh install of Debian with the minumum install disk |
| 01:59.04 | diensthunds | and some kick a## furniture |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | don't like the furniture |
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| 01:59.17 | prahal | cire : bad news , have you found something on google ? |
| 01:59.22 | verNoningoaL | station |
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| 01:59.24 | SambearPoet | told apache to run php modules, as in the httpd.conf file? |
| 01:59.26 | shmike | Cathulfuego:will it break stuff? |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | !tell verNoningoaL about d-i |
| 01:59.28 | cire | no |
| 01:59.32 | Guerin | SambearPoet: yeah |
| 01:59.35 | diensthunds | I had a Meninite (sp?) make my dog harness for me |
| 01:59.51 | prahal | SambearPoet: module config is not in httpd.conf anymore |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | mennonite iirc |
| 01:59.56 | diensthunds | cost me $10 less then the picture I showed him out of the magazine (plus I didn't have to pay shipping) |
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| 02:00.02 | cire | prahal: The Script you mentioned tries to write to acpi/fan/FAN/state, but acpi/fan/FAN does not exist |
| 02:00.05 | SambearPoet | I have not myself altered configuration on apache yet |
| 02:00.08 | eflynn | hey, for a desktop, should i use testing or unstable? |
| 02:00.09 | Turaldane | When i get it all updated ans stuff like thgat through apt-get i want to next setup apache, mysql and php I always have a problem to start off with getting PHP and Apache to work can someone help me from a fresh install to make it work the first time |
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| 02:00.35 | mrwill | SambearPoet: could you just look in the file and see if there is a line enabling the module? think the install does that for you. |
| 02:00.36 | diensthunds | abrotman: that kinda scares me that there is an irc for that |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | eflynn: testing |
| 02:00.38 | SambearPoet | Turaldane: join the club, I'm trying to get that done too. |
| 02:00.38 | prahal | cire: yes it requires the fan control to be detected by the kernel (thus it creates those files) |
| 02:00.44 | diensthunds | eflynn: testing |
| 02:00.44 | abrotman | diensthunds: for what? |
| 02:00.58 | eflynn | abrotman, diensthunds: k |
| 02:01.01 | cire | prahal: This means, my mainboard does NOT support fan control? |
| 02:01.04 | SambearPoet | OK, MrWill, I will |
| 02:01.12 | diensthunds | the mennonite |
| 02:01.14 | abrotman | diensthunds: oh |
| 02:01.17 | Turaldane | Sambear: I have major issues from install however when i do it with redhat it works fine off the bat and i hate red hat sdo i want it to work in apache |
| 02:01.21 | shmike | eflynn:testing rocks |
| 02:01.25 | Guerin | mrwill: the install does it on sarge; I dunno about woody, I think not. |
| 02:01.28 | Turaldane | So can anyone help me out |
| 02:01.30 | diensthunds | lol yea kinda odd |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | apt-get install apache php4 |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | done |
| 02:01.47 | cire | I didn't ever run Windows on my laptop, but I think there's a tool which is able to control the fan. Does this mean, it's a buggy fan-control-detection in the kernel? |
| 02:01.49 | mrwill | Guerin: I think it might add a commented out line, but I'm pretty sure it adds a line. |
| 02:01.52 | prahal | cire: i guess not , except if it s old (on a laptop i expect fan control to be a must have) |
| 02:01.54 | Turaldane | abrotman no that doesnt do it |
| 02:02.04 | Turaldane | I have problem with the website after it done |
| 02:02.06 | cire | It's a Sony Vaio Z600lek |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you try libapache-mod-php4? |
| 02:02.14 | mrwill | Turaldane: what do error logs say? |
| 02:02.22 | cire | shipped with Win2k |
| 02:02.29 | Turaldane | Apache doesnt read the php files as (readabnle files) they just try downloading *.php files |
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| 02:02.33 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 02:02.37 | prahal | cire: maybe the kernel does not support yours or yours is not standard and require extra modules , only gogole can tell |
| 02:02.37 | Turaldane | No i dont get error |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you add the AddType to httpd.conf ? |
| 02:02.50 | diensthunds | welp I reckon I'm gonna have to go read for more info on my autofs problem |
| 02:02.53 | Turaldane | yep unhashed Addtype and Module |
| 02:02.58 | Turaldane | Sorry LoadModule |
| 02:03.07 | mrwill | Turaldane: and reloaded the server? |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | Turaldane: and restarted apache? |
| 02:03.17 | dip | whats the command that reads crw------- and tells me the chmod value |
| 02:03.19 | Turaldane | Yes been through this 1,00 times |
| 02:03.23 | Turaldane | So i have reinstalled |
| 02:03.30 | cire | prahal: Google doesn't give me the answers I am searching for. But perhaps I have to search longer |
| 02:03.34 | Turaldane | Now i want to to work first time |
| 02:03.39 | mrwill | Turaldane: well, reinstalling probably was a waste of effort. |
| 02:03.41 | abrotman | Turaldane: dpkg -l php4 .. what does it say? |
| 02:03.43 | Turaldane | So can someone step me through it |
| 02:03.48 | Guerin | Turaldane: you reinstalled? |
| 02:03.48 | dip | anyone know what I mean ? |
| 02:03.53 | Guerin | Turaldane: why? |
| 02:03.54 | Turaldane | Havent gotten that far yet |
| 02:04.03 | mrwill | dip: what you mean what? what did you say? |
| 02:04.06 | Turaldane | Becuase i couldnt get it to work almost finished the install now |
| 02:04.11 | Turaldane | Just updating all my packages |
| 02:04.11 | dip | whats the command that reads crw------- and tells me the chmod value |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | Turaldane: so .. apt-get install php4 .. it shold get everyhting you need |
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| 02:04.18 | Turaldane | through apt |
| 02:04.23 | Turaldane | No it doesnt |
| 02:04.25 | Guerin | dip: cat /dev/urandom |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:04.52 | Turaldane | When i put example index.php showing me the phpinfo it just comes up with a diorectory struture |
| 02:04.58 | Guerin | dip: the data you seek is in there; you just need to know what to look for. |
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| 02:05.02 | Turaldane | Then when i click on index.php |
| 02:05.06 | caphuso | dip: r=4, w=2, x=1, sum up |
| 02:05.09 | Turaldane | It wants to download the file not display the file |
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| 02:05.13 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you make index.php a DirectoryIndex file? |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you make index.php a DirectoryIndex file?? |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | grrr |
| 02:05.30 | skyisblue | ha |
| 02:05.30 | Turaldane | How do u mean in Addtype???? |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | have oyu ever setup apache/php4 before? |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:05.33 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:05.34 | Turaldane | Yepp |
| 02:05.35 | Turaldane | Sorry |
| 02:05.36 | Thong-Licker | i am installing debian woody with bf24 and was told that built-in NIC is supported off the CD. But which one is it? |
| 02:05.37 | Turaldane | Yes I did |
| 02:05.49 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you add the "AddType" stuff? |
| 02:05.53 | mrwill | Thong-Licker: dunno, do you know what kind of card it isL |
| 02:05.56 | Turaldane | But Directory Index file only regisers the file as a start index file nothing more |
| 02:05.59 | Thong-Licker | btw the motherboard is Nforce2 based.... |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | Thong-Licker: change your nick |
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| 02:06.07 | Turaldane | When i click on the *.php file it trys downloading the file |
| 02:06.14 | Delph | Guerin: talking of seeking data in /dev/random ... me and a friend had the perfect idea to deal with IP property. You give each person in the world a chunk of the digits of PI, and anything they can use a mathematical function to extract from their digits belongs to them. |
| 02:06.20 | Turaldane | Yepp Added Addtype |
| 02:06.24 | Turaldane | And LoadModule |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | AddType |
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| 02:06.27 | abrotman | not Addtype |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | AddType |
| 02:06.32 | Guerin | Delph: heh |
| 02:06.34 | Turaldane | Yes i know |
| 02:06.37 | doub | abrotman: huh, you've god a record here, just 2 sec for the "u" today :) |
| 02:06.44 | Turaldane | I have spely it right in capitals and everything |
| 02:06.47 | abrotman | doub: sorry |
| 02:06.53 | Turaldane | Double and tripple checked it |
| 02:06.54 | abrotman | Murderer: not funny |
| 02:06.58 | Turaldane | The fucker still doesn work |
| 02:07.02 | Turaldane | I use apache 1.3 |
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| 02:07.05 | Turaldane | PHP4 |
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| 02:07.23 | Turaldane | Its just annoying me thats all |
| 02:07.29 | Turaldane | Everything else seems to work bar that |
| 02:07.47 | abrotman | AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
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| 02:08.16 | Turaldane | Yepp did that |
| 02:08.22 | doub | abrotman: you don't have to |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | Turaldane: well .. wait til it's done |
| 02:08.34 | skyisblue | :D |
| 02:08.36 | abrotman | doub: do what? |
| 02:08.38 | SambearPoet | OK, I have no idea where the httpd.conf file is. |
| 02:08.40 | Turaldane | Ok when its done can somoen help me |
| 02:08.47 | SambearPoet | Turaldane: do you know? |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | skyisblue: tell me .. how am i funny? .. Do i fucking amuse you? |
| 02:08.51 | mrwill | SambearPoet: /etc/apache |
| 02:08.54 | Turaldane | httpd.conf is inside /etc/apache/ |
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| 02:08.55 | SambearPoet | Thanks |
| 02:09.02 | Guerin | SambearPoet: go and read some ap[ache documentation |
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| 02:09.12 | Guerin | SambearPoet: apache is extremely well documented |
| 02:09.23 | SambearPoet | Guerin, OK. |
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| 02:09.24 | Guerin | abrotman: doubtful |
| 02:09.24 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:09.25 | mrwill | !be reading barbie |
| 02:09.25 | dpkg | Reading is HARD. |
| 02:09.28 | doub | abrotman: just that silly "u" joke again, don't bother |
| 02:09.29 | Turaldane | Apache is generally very easy to setup I just cant work this fucker out |
| 02:09.30 | wanton | abrotman: wiseguy huh |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | cthulfuego: yes? |
| 02:09.45 | Turaldane | Done it a million and a half times with Red Hat but wont work with Debain |
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| 02:09.50 | Turaldane | Dont know what i am doin wrong |
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| 02:09.55 | cthulfuego | abrotman: You amuse me quite often. |
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| 02:10.02 | mrwill | Turaldane: oh, ok, you're a troll. glad we cleared that up. |
| 02:10.11 | abrotman | Tommy DeVito: How am I funny, like a clown? What is so funny about me? What the FUCK is so funny about me? Tell me. Tell me what's funny. |
| 02:10.23 | freestone | What do I need to install to get CUPS in Debian for KDE? "Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed & running". cups, cupsys, kdelibs3-cups, qtcups? I have libcupsys2 & kdeprint installed. |
| 02:10.28 | Guerin | abrotman++ |
| 02:10.29 | Turaldane | mrwill: Bite Me :P |
| 02:10.31 | cthulfuego | abrotman: But do have your ritalin now, please. |
| 02:10.35 | abrotman | Guerin: dpkg works with karma |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i'm med free!! |
| 02:10.45 | Guerin | !abrotman++ |
| 02:10.50 | cthulfuego | abrotman: I noticed ;-) |
| 02:10.57 | Guerin | abrotman: you should reconsider that choice. |
| 02:11.02 | cthulfuego | <heh> |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. my ulcers don't like it |
| 02:11.12 | cthulfuego | stabbed anyone recently? now might be a good time. |
| 02:11.20 | abrotman | my boss |
| 02:11.35 | doub | abrotman: that sounds like a good idea |
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| 02:12.10 | wanton | yeah most bosses deserve a stabbing every now and then if not every day |
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| 02:12.21 | knix | Is openoffice broken in sid? |
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| 02:12.29 | doub | cthulfuego: most are already |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | !OO.o |
| 02:12.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | #debian-openoffice |
| 02:12.40 | knix | heh |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | or something like that |
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| 02:12.57 | peterS | if I ever bought a laptop I'd try to get a female model. I don't think I'd want *another* dick sitting in my lap |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | my laptop has a dick .. |
| 02:13.22 | abrotman | little red one .. yay IBM |
| 02:13.26 | knix | Mine doesn't, but I wish it came with one |
| 02:13.29 | FieldySnuts | @lart abrotman |
| 02:13.31 | knix | I only got a little trackpad |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it has a Trackpoint |
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| 02:14.07 | wanton | hmmm laptop with v*gina.... i think it will sell really well |
| 02:14.20 | FieldySnuts | heh... i'm backing outta this one |
| 02:14.23 | Turaldane | That is sad lol |
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| 02:14.52 | Guerin | wanton: talk to toresbe about his ide-bus vibrating vagina |
| 02:15.02 | abrotman | hello kitty!! |
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| 02:15.27 | KillerBunny | Anyone knows a good source with multimedia stuff (xvid xvattr eg.) ? |
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| 02:15.38 | abrotman | !xvid |
| 02:15.38 | dpkg | well, xvid is a free/speech divx codec. http://www.xvid.org Get debs (current package name: libxvidcore4) from marillat. |
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| 02:15.50 | abrotman | !tell KillerBunny about marillat |
| 02:16.11 | peterS | is it possible to create a divx codec that isn't riddled with mpeg4 patent infringements? |
| 02:16.20 | Janos | small question, why would it be that in /proc/tty/driver/serial i can see my two serial ports and my modem but at boot time when loading the serial driver it only see |
| 02:16.37 | Janos | my serial ports and not my model |
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| 02:17.07 | Janos | modem |
| 02:17.07 | doub | peterS: the best thing to do is to get rid of patents |
| 02:17.13 | peterS | Janos: that's a good question. do they all use the PC serial code? |
| 02:17.14 | jordo | Does anyone know how to setup a website from a non-static IP? |
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| 02:17.27 | doub | peterS: but that's not the shortest path |
| 02:17.33 | peterS | doub: quite |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | jordo: otherwise known as 'dynamic' |
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| 02:17.50 | abrotman | !kill landlord's dogs |
| 02:17.56 | jordo | Abrotman: Yeah....dynamic IP... |
| 02:17.57 | wanton | Janos: it's been REAL long time, but during the boot time your modem is not 'initialized' |
| 02:17.58 | Janos | peterS, PC serial code ? |
| 02:18.03 | abrotman | jordo: dyndns.org |
| 02:18.12 | KillerBunny | Thanks dude. |
| 02:18.19 | peterS | Janos: does your modem, in other words, have a 65550 UART or similar? |
| 02:18.45 | Janos | setserial /dev/ttyS3 say so |
| 02:19.05 | debian | any hints to stop system beep? |
| 02:19.09 | abrotman | !beep |
| 02:19.09 | dpkg | somebody said beep was /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 02:20.10 | debian | abrotman: hmm... |
| 02:20.10 | Lord-Cereburus | «abrotman» i have two partitions in windows, both on the same drive and both the exact same size. I want to get rid of the first partition(traditionaly C:) and throw on debian onto it, but keep the second partition. How can i tell them apart? |
| 02:20.14 | mrwill | jordo: well, you'll have to figure out some way of changing the dns entry to your website every time your server ip address changes. |
| 02:20.28 | jordo | Abrotman: Is there an apache GUI for KDE? |
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| 02:20.34 | abrotman | jordo: i hope not |
| 02:20.36 | Janos | peterS, 16550A |
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| 02:20.43 | Lord-Cereburus | «jordo» i really hope not |
| 02:20.57 | doub | debian: the obvious one is to unplug the cable that goes to your HP in the box |
| 02:20.58 | dave | what do you need an apache gui for? |
| 02:20.59 | mrwill | bet you guys five dollars there is. |
| 02:21.01 | peterS | Janos: I have no idea what separate step would make the third serial port visible to the driver, then, if it doesn't get detected at boot time |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: usually they have start/end numbers |
| 02:21.08 | jordo | Why do you all "hope not?" |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | jordo: it's just not right |
| 02:21.23 | mrwill | jordo: because it's not the right way to do things. |
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| 02:21.39 | jordo | Does anyone know a site for apache tutorials? |
| 02:21.42 | abrotman | jordo: apache isn't that hard to configure ... |
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| 02:21.51 | abrotman | jordo: httpd.apache.org .. and read the debian docs |
| 02:21.59 | prahal | cire: then closest i found yet is http://www.kevinboone.com/vaio.html, still reading |
| 02:22.00 | dave | man apache? |
| 02:22.04 | doub | debian: otherwise "set visiblebell" for tcsh, and man bash (its sort of "bell = visible" in ~/.inputrc iirc) for bash |
| 02:22.18 | Janos | the only thing is that the modem and the serrial port share the same irq with different I/O port, i've tried disabling the first serail port and still no luck |
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| 02:22.24 | abrotman | why is HP selling TVs? |
| 02:22.40 | Lord-Cereburus | «abrotman» one other question,i'm doing this on my laptop, would my touchpad be reconized as a mouse without specificly installing a driver for it?(basic mouse) |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | Guerin: help .. they're sucking it away |
| 02:22.43 | prahal | cire: but those laptop dates from the switch from apm to acpi and are particularly tricky to setup (not really apm nor acpi) |
| 02:22.49 | Lord-Cereburus | the linux-laptop site doesnt list my model |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: i think . some require the synaptics crap |
| 02:22.57 | IgorOV | hi |
| 02:22.59 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 02:22.59 | dpkg | methinks synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download |
| 02:23.06 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks due |
| 02:23.08 | Lord-Cereburus | 8dude |
| 02:23.08 | dave | <abrotman> yes |
| 02:23.10 | Lord-Cereburus | **dude |
| 02:23.17 | abrotman | yes what? |
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| 02:23.27 | IgorOV | im trying to install debian 3.0 beta from boot cd... but im using serial ata hard disk.. and at boot my cpu stop |
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| 02:23.37 | abrotman | IgorOV: no duh :) |
| 02:23.38 | debian | doub: how did you know it's damn HP? :) |
| 02:23.43 | wanton | Janos: are you sure you have 'third' serial port? on many systems third one is just a ghost of first one and forth one is of second one etc |
| 02:23.44 | abrotman | !tell IgorOV about d-i |
| 02:23.45 | dave | oops meant lord |
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| 02:23.52 | prahal | cire: seems the fix is to check in the BIOS tha t: " you need to find the power management settings, and ensure that `APM' is turned off, and `ACPI' is turned on" |
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| 02:24.01 | abrotman | IgorOV: woody has no support for sata |
| 02:24.06 | sean_micken | where is the default xinitrc used to start xfree? |
| 02:24.14 | IgorOV | hmmm |
| 02:24.15 | debian | doub: I like your suggestion that involve physical brute force |
| 02:24.17 | IgorOV | great |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | sean_micken: you mean .. the default window managaer? |
| 02:24.29 | IgorOV | so... what i need to install it? |
| 02:24.32 | Faithful | Anyone in here messed with TIMS? |
| 02:24.33 | prahal | sean_micken: debian does not use xinitrc , lookg for xsession |
| 02:24.33 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:24.33 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:24.34 | abrotman | that |
| 02:24.37 | abrotman | use linux26 |
| 02:24.39 | mrwill | IgorOV: you should probably install sarge, with the debian installer. |
| 02:24.42 | IgorOV | 3.1? |
| 02:24.46 | Turaldane | Ok guys justlogged into my debain box freshly installed |
| 02:24.51 | abrotman | Faithful: sounds dirty |
| 02:24.54 | Turaldane | just going to quickly install samab |
| 02:24.56 | Turaldane | samab |
| 02:24.56 | IgorOV | via net like woody? |
| 02:24.58 | Turaldane | samba |
| 02:24.58 | prahal | sean_micken: usually its ~//xsession |
| 02:25.00 | sean_micken | abrotman: well, yeah... i installed openbox and it magically works :) -- i want to know where that info is located? |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | Turaldane: this is an external server? |
| 02:25.07 | prahal | oups ~/.xsession |
| 02:25.09 | Lord-Cereburus | one other thing, any links to a wifi tutorial? |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | sean_micken: check /etc/alternatives |
| 02:25.12 | Turaldane | Nope internal |
| 02:25.14 | Turaldane | :( |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | IgorOV: please don't |
| 02:25.18 | Turaldane | Will be external soon |
| 02:25.23 | Turaldane | Once i have locked it down |
| 02:25.25 | Turaldane | And so on |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | IgorOV: ask in here |
| 02:25.33 | Turaldane | Not putting it live till i know its secure |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | Turaldane: samba externally? |
| 02:25.41 | Janos | wanton, well as i've read you're kind of right, the thing is they share the same irq with different I/O port but i disabled the /dev/ttyS0 and set the modem on that IRQ and don't get nothing |
| 02:25.47 | Turaldane | Nope Samba will be for internal connections |
| 02:25.52 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 02:25.57 | skyisblue | sata and debian is here: http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian or http://meme.b9.com |
| 02:26.03 | prahal | abrotman: alternative does not manage x init nor xsession ... |
| 02:26.06 | abrotman | skyisblue: no .. it's on sarge |
| 02:26.14 | skyisblue | anyway |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | prahal: it has x-window-manager |
| 02:26.29 | Turaldane | Once i get it installed can someone help me get Apache and PHP working together |
| 02:26.33 | abrotman | /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/sawfish |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | see |
| 02:26.44 | IgorOV | so... SARGE is like woody in install method? update online and stuff? |
| 02:26.45 | FieldySnuts | @say !annoy abrotman |
| 02:26.48 | ravenbird | !annoy abrotman |
| 02:26.49 | dpkg | abrotman: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 02:26.53 | cthulfuego | IgorOV: No. |
| 02:26.54 | sean_micken | abrotman: so, if i needed to modify the startup a little would i have to create a ~/.xinitrc (i don't have xdm running) ? |
| 02:26.57 | Janos | what it really bothers me is that /proc/tty/driver/serial and /proc/ioports do see three serial ports and the serial modules says it doesn't |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | IgorOV: sarge is the next versino of debian |
| 02:27.06 | cthulfuego | IgorOV: sarge has a new installer (but it can fetch stuff from online, yes) |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | sean_micken: you can do that .. the alternatives system jsut gives a default |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: thanks :) |
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| 02:27.50 | IgorOV | ok, im downloading sarge-i386-netinst.iso now |
| 02:27.58 | IgorOV | it supports sata, right? |
| 02:28.06 | abrotman | yes ... |
| 02:28.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:28.08 | dpkg | methinks ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:28.12 | abrotman | read the sarge one |
| 02:28.12 | sean_micken | abrotman: yeah, i like this alternatives things and i would like to continue to use it, but if i can't add a few commands to run before starting the WM with it, then i'll have to use the ~/.xinitrc |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | sean_micken: yeah .. it's jsut the default system .. you do what you need to for yourself |
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| 02:28.38 | abrotman | ask long as you know how |
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| 02:28.51 | wanton | do sata need seperate driver??? I thought it was suppose to be transparent.... |
| 02:29.03 | abrotman | wanton: some have PATA mode |
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| 02:29.15 | sean_micken | abrotman: i could still use "/etc/alternatives/x-window-manager" to call the WM in my .xinitrc, though :D |
| 02:29.18 | micahf | does anyone know of a good AIM client similar to apple's iChat? |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | sean_micken: i suppose you could |
| 02:29.32 | abrotman | micahf: gaim is good |
| 02:29.32 | dave | l |
| 02:29.35 | skyisblue | micahf: gaim |
| 02:29.36 | dondelelcaro | micahf: I've no clue what ichat looks like, but gaim is probably what you want. |
| 02:29.37 | mrwill | micahf: bitlbee? joking, sorry. |
| 02:29.38 | sigma957 | gaim |
| 02:29.42 | micahf | I have it but it's not at all like ichat |
| 02:29.47 | prahal | abrotman: /etc§/X11/Xsession.d/50xfree86-common_determine-startup # if no X session startup program was ... afik is there is no ~/.xsesion nor .Xsession and you select Debioan session in gdm (not any of the other) then x-window-manager is used |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | mrwill: centericq :) |
| 02:29.51 | micahf | more like AOL |
| 02:29.52 | AdrianLP | I've noticed in coding with wxWindows, if you select text in a read-only text control, GDK returns an error in gdkselection.c, 246. An assertion error. Would this be typically worthy of doing a bug report on? If one is not already in existence. |
| 02:29.57 | IgorOV | hey... my friend tell me to change some file with woody to sid ... to get update every day.... this version needs too ? |
| 02:30.03 | nvz | well I need to decide how I am going to satisfy dependencies to install freemind. needs a j2re1.4, I guess my options are using equivs or java-package |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | prahal: i wasn't arguing that .. he asked about the system default |
| 02:30.12 | caphuso | sean_micken: you can simply put "exec /usr/bin/x-window-manager" in the last line of your (.xsession|.xinitrc), after your custome command |
| 02:30.12 | mrwill | IgorOV: no, no, no, don't do that. |
| 02:30.14 | peterS | AdrianLP: sure sounds like a reportable bug to me |
| 02:30.14 | prahal | abrotman: i do not see how it realted to xinit which does not use Xsession.d file anyway |
| 02:30.26 | micahf | how on earth do you get firefox? |
| 02:30.26 | prahal | +relate |
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| 02:30.31 | IgorOV | why? |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | micahf: mozilla-firefox |
| 02:30.33 | micahf | download the mozilla source and compile? |
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| 02:30.36 | IgorOV | mrwill: why? |
| 02:30.37 | dondelelcaro | micahf: apt-get isntall mozilla-firefox; |
| 02:30.38 | john | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 02:30.40 | nvz | how the hell did freemind get into testing if the packages it depends on are not in testing? |
| 02:30.40 | sean_micken | caphuso: thanks, that's what im doin' :) |
| 02:30.42 | micahf | that didn't work |
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| 02:30.47 | mrwill | IgorOV: what your friend told you upgrades you to sid, the unstable distro. |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | micahf: are you running woody? |
| 02:30.51 | micahf | yea |
| 02:30.56 | dondelelcaro | micahf: if you're running stable, you won't have it. You need a backport with it. |
| 02:31.01 | micahf | arg |
| 02:31.05 | sean_micken | caphuso: one question though, do you know what the preceding "exec" does and if it's needed? |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | micahf: no firefox in woody |
| 02:31.32 | micahf | how do you upgrade to experimental or unstable or whatever |
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| 02:31.42 | abrotman | !tell micahf about woody->sarge |
| 02:31.43 | prahal | cire: please /msg me if the acpi/apm bios trick help , viao are everywhere it may be a good thing to add to the wiki, bye |
| 02:31.43 | nvz | I don't yet know how to use either java-package or equivs, but I guess either would satify it |
| 02:31.50 | directhex | you upgrade to testing by asking dpkg about woody->sarge |
| 02:31.51 | caphuso | sean_micken: completely replaces the shell with the command after it instead of waiting in the background for it to exec. it's not needed, but saves a bit of RAM/swap |
| 02:32.04 | Turaldane | abrotman: I am rdy to install these packages what do i need to install to get it working right??? |
| 02:32.06 | directhex | you sidewaysgrade to unstable by using some initiative. you don't touch experimental |
| 02:32.12 | caphuso | sean_micken: err, s/exec/quit/ |
| 02:32.20 | IgorOV | mrwill: aaah... i understood.... |
| 02:32.21 | abrotman | Turaldane: i've always just done 'apt-get install apache php4' |
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| 02:32.45 | sean_micken | caphuso: k. |
| 02:32.50 | micahf | that dpkg is sure frickin awesome |
| 02:32.50 | Turaldane | Ok will do that to start anyone else can they help |
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| 02:33.05 | micahf | ok whats better sarge or sid? |
| 02:33.06 | IgorOV | what can i download to install a WEBMAIL service? |
| 02:33.13 | peterS | !better |
| 02:33.13 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 02:33.13 | caphuso | micahf: sarge, if you have to ask |
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| 02:33.17 | micahf | I mean, is sid really really unstable? |
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| 02:33.19 | mrwill | IgorOV: squirrelmail is an option. |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | micahf: use sarge |
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| 02:33.20 | dondelelcaro | micahf: they're different. If you're asking, you want sarge. |
| 02:33.22 | skyisblue | sid is banned here. |
| 02:33.27 | IgorOV | easy to use... |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | sarge |
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| 02:33.32 | gach | hi |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | just use it |
| 02:33.36 | micahf | haha |
| 02:33.37 | micahf | ok |
| 02:33.39 | gach | i need some help here |
| 02:33.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell gach about ask |
| 02:33.50 | micahf | hey I just came from gentoo, where I couldn't get xorg to work |
| 02:33.52 | mrwill | gach: well, it's what we're here for. ask. |
| 02:33.54 | abrotman | !give gach a number |
| 02:33.55 | Turaldane | Abrotman: ok installing it now |
| 02:34.06 | micahf | and before that I used Mac OS X |
| 02:34.07 | AdrianLP | peterS: So I guess to report the bug, I'd need to know which package its from. I used the search on debian.org to find contents of packages. None seem to contain "gdkselection.c" in testing. Is there another way of finding out what provided it, what package the bug belongs too? |
| 02:34.10 | micahf | which I love |
| 02:34.24 | Faithful | people are still installing sid... I don't get it? |
| 02:34.24 | wanton | micahf: dont do sid.... if it's not broken, it will be within 24 hours |
| 02:34.28 | gach | i installed xfree 4.4 binaries over 4.3 on sarge |
| 02:34.35 | gravity | Faithful: Why? |
| 02:34.36 | gach | and now my xine screen is all blue |
| 02:34.37 | prahalafk | abrotman: the Xsession scripts are the system default |
| 02:34.43 | hackel | Can anyone recommend a new linux-compatible hardware modem to purchase? (I know, it hurts me too!) |
| 02:34.45 | gach | any ideas? |
| 02:34.51 | abrotman | prahalafk: you're still talking about that? :) |
| 02:34.58 | Faithful | gravity: hang on I thought sid was older... |
| 02:35.00 | AdrianLP | peterS: I mean I assume its one of the GDK packages, but I have quite a few of those. |
| 02:35.01 | abrotman | hackel: USR .. $70 |
| 02:35.04 | peterS | AdrianLP: you said it's in wxwidgets. do 'dpkg -S' on /usr/lib/libwx_whatever_you_are_linking_to |
| 02:35.08 | dondelelcaro | gach: you probably screwed up Xv or similar. Just downgrade to the packages that are actually in Debian. |
| 02:35.12 | prahalafk | abrotman: i missed your reply , just answering |
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| 02:35.27 | gravity | Faithful: Nope |
| 02:35.28 | Faithful | gravity: sid is cvs-head ? |
| 02:35.35 | gravity | Faithful: Sorta |
| 02:35.37 | peterS | AdrianLP: the GDK package is libgtk2.0-0 |
| 02:35.40 | Faithful | Ok |
| 02:35.45 | dondelelcaro | Faithful: that's not a proper analogy, though. |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | hackel: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B .. internal hardware modem .. otherwise .. get external |
| 02:36.06 | micahf | hey who controls dpkg? |
| 02:36.10 | Faithful | dondelelcaro: explain a little |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | !who owns you |
| 02:36.13 | dpkg | dondelelcaro does |
| 02:36.15 | gach | i think i cant |
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| 02:36.20 | micahf | they should make it talk about smarterchild |
| 02:36.24 | gach | i installed de binaries from xfree.org |
| 02:36.37 | npx | hi |
| 02:36.43 | npx | gach... why? |
| 02:36.45 | Turaldane | abrotman: fresh install apache and php4 ok now what do i need to do |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | hackel: i'd even pick ISA if you can and you know how to make it work |
| 02:36.48 | peterS | micahf: what's to be said about "smarterchild"? |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | Turaldane: restart apache |
| 02:36.51 | dondelelcaro | Faithful: best for you to read through the FAQ... if you have questions after that, I'll be glad to answer them. |
| 02:36.54 | Faithful | all I know is gnome2 with 256Mb ram is rampig |
| 02:36.57 | gach | npx cuz i needed dri |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | !cuz |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:37.07 | Faithful | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 02:37.07 | npx | gach, uhh... debian's X has dri |
| 02:37.08 | KillerBunny | !bootsplash |
| 02:37.08 | dpkg | somebody said bootsplash was http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | !lart dpkg |
| 02:37.15 | gach | and 4.3 doesnt have it for my cipset |
| 02:37.16 | micahf | that smarterchild is annoying |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | thats not fair |
| 02:37.20 | peterS | pwned |
| 02:37.21 | IgorOV | what can i download to install a WEBMAIL service? easy to use |
| 02:37.23 | AdrianLP | peterS: That'd be the only package to provide gdkselection.c? There are files such as libwxgtk2.4-dev. |
| 02:37.24 | npx | Do you think that debian intentionally gimps packages? |
| 02:37.25 | micahf | and doesn't know any linux |
| 02:37.30 | nvz | hmm maybe I could just download the package and unpack it without satisfying the dependencies =P |
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| 02:37.33 | KillerBunny | Is bootsplash supported in the apt kernels ? |
| 02:37.37 | dondelelcaro | npx: eh? can you possible ask a more leading question? |
| 02:37.40 | nostalg1c | IgorOV, are you using courier-* ? |
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| 02:37.45 | peterS | AdrianLP: the -dev package is built from the same source as the non-dev package. reporting the bug either place will go to the same maintainer |
| 02:37.46 | gravity | "gimps packages"? |
| 02:37.51 | gach | so... |
| 02:37.53 | mrwill | IgorOV: I already told you squirrelmail? don't you understand me? |
| 02:37.54 | gach | any ideas? |
| 02:37.54 | npx | what chipset, gach? the X strike force has backported most of them |
| 02:37.56 | abrotman | as in .. Gimpie .. lame |
| 02:37.59 | dondelelcaro | IgorOV: the typcal one is squirellmail. There are other webmail systems... |
| 02:38.04 | AdrianLP | peterS: Ok, thank you. |
| 02:38.06 | Turaldane | Abrotman |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | Horde/Imp is good |
| 02:38.11 | Turaldane | done now what?? |
| 02:38.13 | nostalg1c | IgorOV, imp/horde is good |
| 02:38.13 | gach | npx... can you tell me an apt get repositorie for that? |
| 02:38.13 | peterS | AdrianLP: anyway, you've found a bug with wxwidgets which may be in wxwidgets itself or it may be in gtk. I'd report it to wxwidgets. they can forward it on if it's actually a gtk bug |
| 02:38.14 | nostalg1c | heh |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you add index.php to your DirectoryIndex line? and restart apache? |
| 02:38.31 | npx | gach... wait, what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:38.34 | dondelelcaro | npx: ah, nevermind. I was missing the context. |
| 02:38.39 | gach | sarge |
| 02:38.44 | gach | well sarge/sid |
| 02:38.59 | npx | gach, and what's the chipset? |
| 02:39.01 | Turaldane | abrotman: ok will do that now |
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| 02:39.04 | gach | sis630 |
| 02:39.10 | npx | oh, shit |
| 02:39.17 | gach | yeah i know |
| 02:39.17 | npx | DRI on that is pointless |
| 02:39.18 | AdrianLP | peterS: wxwidgets can create an error in gtk? An assertion error would lead me to believe an internal GTK pointer error. I guess it can be elsewhere also? |
| 02:39.24 | gach | why? |
| 02:39.26 | dondelelcaro | micahf: see /topic. There's no need to /msg me |
| 02:39.32 | peterS | AdrianLP: use your own judgment for where to report it, then |
| 02:39.39 | npx | it's too slow to play any decent games |
| 02:39.39 | gach | the guy that makes the driver seems very happy with it |
| 02:39.53 | npx | I *have* a sis630 onboard graphics card |
| 02:40.03 | npx | and it sucks more ass than I can even convey here |
| 02:40.07 | gach | im tying to play wolfestein |
| 02:40.09 | AdrianLP | peterS: I was asking, not challenging. |
| 02:40.16 | gach | and it says is out of agp memory |
| 02:40.21 | npx | it's not going to work very well, even at 640x480 with all options off |
| 02:40.21 | micahf | I see |
| 02:40.26 | FieldySnuts | it's sis, it's granted it's going to suck |
| 02:40.30 | micahf | dondelelcaro I see |
| 02:40.35 | gach | have you tried it on linux? |
| 02:40.36 | npx | even with agp aperture set to 256mb, even with a gig of ram |
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| 02:40.41 | npx | gach, yes, and quake 3, and nwn |
| 02:40.44 | KillerBunny | Anyone knows if bootsplashes are supported but the package kernels ? |
| 02:40.47 | npx | etc etc, none are playable with a sis 630 |
| 02:40.55 | FieldySnuts | get a real card |
| 02:41.06 | npx | yes |
| 02:41.08 | dondelelcaro | KillerBunny: you have to build a custom kernel with the bootsplash patch, iirc. |
| 02:41.12 | gach | fieldy is easy for you to say it |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | KillerBunny: grub can do them .. dunno how though |
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| 02:41.20 | gach | but this fkin motherboard |
| 02:41.25 | FieldySnuts | not my fault |
| 02:41.34 | npx | gach, a geforce 4 ti 4600 can be had for $120 if you look around |
| 02:41.39 | gach | doesnt even have an AGP slot |
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| 02:41.42 | npx | and it will play everything that's out right now |
| 02:41.46 | gach | fuck'm pcchips |
| 02:41.48 | FieldySnuts | not our fault |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you love them! |
| 02:41.56 | gach | npx |
| 02:42.03 | npx | get a decent motherboard, then - $50 shipped from zipzoomfly |
| 02:42.10 | npx | if you can't afford any of this shit, get a job dude |
| 02:42.10 | gach | any ideas on how to resolve my problem |
| 02:42.14 | Faithful | pcchips don't get my vote |
| 02:42.15 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure... the first thing I'd do when I sat down on a machine with one is disable it. |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i don't bother .. i see it once a day :) |
| 02:42.31 | gach | npx venezuela.... is kinda hard livin and buying stuff down here |
| 02:42.33 | npx | gach, you need to set your agp aperture, I think you do that A.) in your BIOS or B.) when you load the sis-agp module |
| 02:42.39 | wanton | bootsplash can be useful in kiosk situations.... |
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| 02:42.54 | gach | debian does it when it loads |
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| 02:43.12 | npx | You may have only allocated liek 16mb of RAM to the card (it uses system ram), so check your BIOS |
| 02:43.21 | gach | i use 64 |
| 02:43.33 | nvz | I freakin UPS and a machine that doesnt ever have to re-boot after being booted could be fuckin useful on a kiosk |
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| 02:43.47 | dondelelcaro | wanton: eh, it's for the people who need to look at something pretty... I generally could care less. |
| 02:43.47 | pwned | I need to search a repository for a package or packages which have a certain file, is this possible with a simple command? |
| 02:43.56 | npx | gach, I don't know then |
| 02:43.58 | abrotman | !tell pwned about search |
| 02:44.07 | gach | yeah.. it dosnt look good |
| 02:44.08 | gach | it loads |
| 02:44.11 | pwned | cheers |
| 02:44.14 | gach | but dosnt look good |
| 02:44.15 | npx | gach, it's really not worth the effort |
| 02:44.16 | sigma957 | pwned try apt-cache search pkgname |
| 02:44.23 | nvz | when I am not busy doing other things, I am reading that damn dmesg info anyhow.. I dont want to hide it |
| 02:44.34 | gach | what processor do you have? |
| 02:44.40 | npx | xp 2700+ |
| 02:44.46 | wanton | chicks like to look at pretty stuff.... |
| 02:44.50 | gach | and why it is a sis 630? |
| 02:44.51 | FieldySnuts | oh my god. |
| 02:45.01 | npx | huh? |
| 02:45.04 | FieldySnuts | bootsplash lamers, got to love them. OH MY GOD MY SYSTEM LOOKS COOL FOR 3 SECONDS |
| 02:45.04 | npx | it's on my motherboard |
| 02:45.11 | gach | uhhh |
| 02:45.14 | gach | kinda strange |
| 02:45.16 | FieldySnuts | and you have to patch the core of your OS for this? ookay |
| 02:45.25 | gach | cuz thats an old chip |
| 02:45.25 | npx | my chaintech apogee fried, so I went to the local hardware store and got this lame sis board |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | good job |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:46.04 | gach | npx..... well down here thy doesnt sell this socket 370 mobos anymore |
| 02:46.14 | wanton | yeah, bootsplash shoud be job for boot loader not kernel.... |
| 02:46.27 | FieldySnuts | doesn't really matter what the exuses are, it's a shitty chip, and you aren't going to be gaming with it |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 02:46.41 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:46.43 | gach | ok fieldy i get it |
| 02:46.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 02:47.19 | gach | dont you guys know any repository for a "real" and new x server |
| 02:47.23 | gach | like xfree 4.4 |
| 02:47.26 | gach | or x.org? |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | !get xorg |
| 02:47.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, get xorg is Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. |
| 02:47.31 | wanton | my friend told me S^3 stands for shit*shit*shit |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | now stop your crying |
| 02:47.39 | abrotman | wanton: shit shower shave |
| 02:47.42 | pwned | sigma957, it was apt-file update; apt-file search filename |
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| 02:47.54 | sigma957 | pwned thanks |
| 02:48.12 | directhex | gach, there's nothing interesting in xfree 4.4 |
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| 02:48.13 | npx | xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled unless you have an nvidia card and enable render accel |
| 02:48.13 | npx | in which case it's tits |
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| 02:48.34 | cheex | hi guys. I just installed Debian sarge using the net installer. When I reboot after the initial installation, and it's time for grub to show up, all I get is the word "grub" all over the screen - no boot menu or anything |
| 02:48.38 | gach | i really dont care about transparency right now |
| 02:48.55 | abrotman | cheex: either #grub or #debian-boot may know more |
| 02:49.03 | dondelelcaro | cheex: grub didn't install correctly for some reason. boot off of your install media with the appropriate root= option, and try rerunning grub |
| 02:49.04 | abrotman | or the grub website |
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| 02:49.11 | abrotman | or dondelelcaro knows all |
| 02:49.30 | Ales | mmmm, grubs |
| 02:49.33 | sigma957 | after using lilo for years, grub was hard to wrap my brain around, think I finally got it now though |
| 02:49.34 | abrotman | Turaldane: did you kill it? |
| 02:49.58 | cheex | okay, I'll try that. (For the record, an almost identical problem ocurred when I repeated the install with lilo) |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | !beer Ales |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | cheex: LI LI LI ? |
| 02:50.27 | wanton | ok lilo seems to do everything i want to do with boot loader... why should I change to grub? |
| 02:50.51 | abrotman | Ales: you're still here? |
| 02:50.51 | |rufius| | wanton: because lilo plays nicer with other OS's if you want to try others |
| 02:50.57 | Ales | no |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:51.32 | sigma957 | wanton you don't need to run grub everytime you change things, it reads the menu.lst or grub.conf every boot |
| 02:51.34 | abrotman | i like beers and ales |
| 02:51.34 | cheex | abrotman: no, "02 02 02", strangely |
| 02:51.41 | abrotman | cheex: that can't be good |
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| 02:52.05 | gach | do you guys think that i can fix my stuff by reinstalling xfree debs |
| 02:52.08 | gach | ? |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | gach: try it and see? |
| 02:52.29 | cheex | dondelelcaro: how do I do that? I tried "linux root=/dev/hda2" at the boot prompt, but I got a kernel panic, saying it couldn't find hda5 |
| 02:52.30 | cheex | err |
| 02:52.31 | cheex | hda2 |
| 02:52.37 | sigma957 | gach or try to dpkg-reconfigure pkg |
| 02:52.41 | gach | abrotman.. ill have to try |
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| 02:52.45 | cheex | abrotman: you're right, it ain't good :) |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | sigma957: i think he installed from source |
| 02:53.00 | gach | i think it rewritted some stuff |
| 02:53.04 | gach | mostly all of it |
| 02:53.14 | gach | i installed frmo de xfree.org installer |
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| 02:53.55 | KillerBunny | nn all |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | bunneh! |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | !drink Ales |
| 02:54.35 | directhex | gach, dare i ask what possessed you to fuck your system like that? |
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| 02:54.42 | abrotman | directhex: i know i know!! |
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| 02:54.52 | abrotman | directhex: gentooitis!!! |
| 02:55.05 | directhex | yeah, but xfree 4.4? that's, like, ass |
| 02:55.05 | sigma957 | directhex: I did something dumb today, ran a program called cleanlinks.. screwed up my x server |
| 02:55.16 | abrotman | asshat! |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 02:55.25 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 02:55.28 | directhex | sigma957, i lost my ~ today to a dodgy filesystem. i win |
| 02:55.42 | sigma957 | directhex: you have my condolences |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | directhex: which FS? |
| 02:55.58 | directhex | abrotman, that dodgy one everyone has trouble with. ext3. |
| 02:56.00 | gach | directhex the wantin to test dri |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | i don't |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | but whatever |
| 02:56.04 | gach | on my machine |
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| 02:56.17 | wanton | am i the only one who thinks that gentoo ppl are elitist m*r*ns? |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | wanton: they think the same thing about us |
| 02:56.30 | dave | *uses gentoo too |
| 02:56.34 | skyisblue | :D |
| 02:56.38 | directhex | gach, sounds like you did even more b0rking to your system than you would have done installing fglrx |
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| 02:57.05 | gach | wtf is fglrx |
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| 02:57.10 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:57.11 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 02:57.52 | dave | fglrx is the ati equivalent of glxinfo |
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| 02:58.00 | dave | er glxgears |
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| 02:58.13 | gach | ok |
| 02:58.18 | Kerr | hmm |
| 02:58.28 | directhex | erm |
| 02:58.36 | directhex | fglrx is atis' proprietary 3d driver |
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| 02:58.51 | directhex | glxgears is a basic untextured opengl test app |
| 02:58.57 | Kerr | unrealircd have a bot that voices people after filling out a general knowledge quiz, to assure that morons can't talk in their support channel. #debian should have one :-P |
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| 02:59.22 | abrotman | Kerr: noone would be able to talk |
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| 03:00.34 | McQuaid | is there a pkg i have to install to have canadian dict in abiword? |
| 03:00.45 | abrotman | McQuaid: as opposed to english? |
| 03:01.22 | Kerr | abrotman: lol |
| 03:01.40 | McQuaid | canadian english or the queen's english |
| 03:01.44 | McQuaid | colour vs color |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | you mean .. british? |
| 03:01.47 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: you probably want ibritish then |
| 03:01.52 | McQuaid | yep |
| 03:02.06 | dondelelcaro | and then en_GB instead of en_US |
| 03:02.12 | abrotman | so .. not canadian :) |
| 03:02.19 | McQuaid | same thing |
| 03:02.36 | directhex | don't lump us in with those dirty canadians, tsa |
| 03:02.38 | directhex | *ta |
| 03:02.41 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: well, you could be asking for fr_CN or whatever it is |
| 03:02.48 | abrotman | directhex: we don't want them |
| 03:02.49 | McQuaid | true |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 03:02.52 | dpkg | hmm... sing blame canada is well, blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
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| 03:03.05 | McQuaid | heh |
| 03:03.08 | wanton | just add 'looni' tooni and poutine then u have canadian dict |
| 03:03.27 | McQuaid | so how do i set the env variable? |
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| 03:03.44 | McQuaid | and wouldn't i still need to install a british dict? |
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| 03:04.00 | eflynn | hello, what program (CLI) do you suggest for burning data DVDs for backup? |
| 03:04.23 | dondelelcaro | McQuaid: you set it in /etc/profile or .bash_profiile or whatever, and then install the appropriate dictionary |
| 03:04.36 | dondelelcaro | eflynn: cdrecord or dvd+rwtools |
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| 03:05.20 | dansushi | i'm on xchat, and for some reason it is not showing the users on the right, can someone help me? |
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| 03:05.31 | eflynn | dondelelcaro: kthx |
| 03:05.56 | dondelelcaro | dansushi: try #xchat |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | dansushi: move the slider .. the 6 dots or so |
| 03:06.21 | McQuaid | eflynn: there's this ncurses one http://cdw.sourceforge.net/ not sure if it supports dvd yet |
| 03:06.34 | dansushi | i got it |
| 03:06.36 | dansushi | thanks |
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| 03:06.57 | abrotman | !seen netgod |
| 03:06.58 | dpkg | netgod <johnie@syrinx.nyip.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 37d 20h 57m 21s ago, saying: 'GaseousAnomaly: mount'. |
| 03:07.36 | McQuaid | hmm, i'm not sure how to indicate that in my profile |
| 03:07.42 | wanton | !seen MyWifeIs18 |
| 03:07.43 | dpkg | wanton: i haven't seen 'mywifeis18' |
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| 03:10.00 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:10.01 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 03:10.16 | eflynn | !apt-get moo |
| 03:10.17 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 03:10.34 | Delph | horrific abusation of lyrics. |
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| 03:10.45 | eflynn | who comes up with this stuff?? |
| 03:10.54 | Delph | eflynn: very bored people, duh =:) |
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| 03:11.16 | dondelelcaro | Delph: minus 10 yards, abuse of the english language. |
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| 03:11.42 | abrotman | eflynn: we get bored .. ... and have warped senses of humor |
| 03:11.44 | Delph | dondelelcaro: all the points in the world: use of non-SI units. |
| 03:11.48 | abrotman | !sing dondelelcaro |
| 03:11.56 | teeks | what is the architecture of a Pentium III (Katmai)? Is it i686? |
| 03:11.56 | eflynn | anybody listen to phil hendrie? |
| 03:12.04 | abrotman | teeks: yes |
| 03:12.12 | Delph | i should go to bed... |
| 03:12.14 | teeks | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:12.21 | dondelelcaro | Delph: american football. It predates SI. |
| 03:12.21 | abrotman | !686 |
| 03:12.21 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
| 03:12.32 | eflynn | !386 |
| 03:12.41 | AdrianLP | peterS: Heh, that file rasising an assertion error, gdkselection.c, I did a `find` for it, and even `locate` after updating db, it does't even exist on my system. That's interesting. |
| 03:12.57 | peterS | AdrianLP: that's because you don't have the source code on your system |
| 03:12.57 | Delph | dondelelcaro: football; its like american football in the sense that they're both played by ... |
| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | Delph: but the point was that "abusation" is non-sensical. You just want "horrible abuse of lyrics" |
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| 03:13.43 | Delph | no, horrible abusation is fine. |
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| 03:13.45 | dansushi | g2g |
| 03:13.55 | dansushi | but i will stay on |
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| 03:14.05 | eflynn | um, aberration? |
| 03:14.12 | dondelelcaro | in french, perhaps... not in english... |
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| 03:14.34 | AdrianLP | peterS: If a binary is causing the crash, why would it quote a line number in sources which I don't have? |
| 03:14.50 | Delph | AdrianLP: because the sources were used to build the binary. |
| 03:14.59 | dondelelcaro | "This decent into grammatical pedantism brought to you by the letter G and the number 5" |
| 03:15.02 | Delph | and the debugging information was left in the file. |
| 03:15.09 | peterS | AdrianLP: because the assert macro in gtk purposely includes the location of the source code where it happened |
| 03:15.13 | AdrianLP | Delph: And then removed? I never removed them. Hmmm. |
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| 03:15.18 | AdrianLP | peterS: Ah, I see. |
| 03:15.25 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 03:15.25 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 03:15.36 | Guerin | !qotd12 |
| 03:15.37 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 03:15.45 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 03:15.45 | dpkg | dondelelcaro's ability to spell is so horrendous, that he has integrated ispell into readline. |
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| 03:16.53 | hhstnoc | why is it that modconf doesnt seem to install with the base system using Debian-Installer? |
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| 03:17.09 | abrotman | !installit |
| 03:17.10 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 03:17.45 | hhstnoc | yeah, i know that, i'm just curious as to why its not in the base system anymore, as it was with boot floppies. |
| 03:18.41 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: because it's only Priority optional, while it is still Section: base. |
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| 03:18.58 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: if d-i doesn't need it, it doesn't get installed... |
| 03:19.05 | hhstnoc | oh okay. |
| 03:19.09 | hhstnoc | thanks, i was just curious. |
| 03:19.15 | yxa | can rsync handle holes in files? |
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| 03:19.29 | LMR | any one out there to help kolab issues in Debian |
| 03:19.31 | dondelelcaro | yxa: uh, if you tell me what a hole is, maybe. |
| 03:19.41 | skyisblue | with red hat 7.1, how long the system being well without being cracked? |
| 03:19.52 | ephic | ok i have a question, say i wanted to upgrade my debian dist.. is there a simple command that does this? |
| 03:19.57 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: undefined and unknowable |
| 03:20.03 | ephic | my old xfree86 wont pick up newer vid cards. |
| 03:20.06 | hhstnoc | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:20.08 | dondelelcaro | ephic: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 03:20.14 | dondelelcaro | ephic: /msg dpkg debian mantra |
| 03:20.17 | ephic | hm see i tries that |
| 03:20.18 | abrotman | ephic: upgrade to what? |
| 03:20.20 | yxa | dondelelcaro like how some p2p prog handles downloads? |
| 03:20.20 | skyisblue | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 03:20.36 | dondelelcaro | yxa: a file is a file is a file. rsync will deal with it. |
| 03:20.39 | fr4 | hi |
| 03:20.45 | fr4 | i have a problem |
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| 03:20.52 | fr4 | i have a wireless usb card |
| 03:20.54 | yxa | dondelelcaro that's good to hear |
| 03:20.57 | fr4 | with atmel chipset |
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| 03:21.11 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 03:21.14 | fr4 | somebody have ever used a wireless usb card?? |
| 03:21.24 | fr4 | under mandrake it works |
| 03:21.30 | dodgyville | What's the debian way to reconfigure xserver? |
| 03:21.33 | fr4 | it has worked |
| 03:21.44 | abrotman | dodgyville: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:21.53 | dodgyville | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | fr4: which card? |
| 03:22.18 | nvz | dodgyville: hello |
| 03:22.24 | fr4 | microedge |
| 03:22.34 | fr4 | but it have a atmel |
| 03:22.35 | fr4 | chipset |
| 03:22.40 | fr4 | 503A |
| 03:22.42 | hacim | running gnome and vlc doesn't seem to output any sound, is there a package I am missing? |
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| 03:22.53 | fr4 | but i don't make |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | fr4: ask #wireless which driver oyu need .. that doesn't sound remotely familiar |
| 03:23.01 | nvz | wtf is a wireless usb card |
| 03:23.07 | ephic | ok my mirros are ftp.us.debian.org.. those still accurate? |
| 03:23.10 | fr4 | yes |
| 03:23.21 | fr4 | i have read the README |
| 03:23.25 | fr4 | but when i do |
| 03:23.27 | fr4 | make usb |
| 03:23.31 | ephic | because when i type the command for mantra in.. |
| 03:23.35 | fr4 | i have 10000 error |
| 03:23.36 | fr4 | :( |
| 03:23.36 | ephic | it says 0% upgraded |
| 03:23.42 | nvz | fr4: hey, stop flooding the channel |
| 03:23.50 | abrotman | !tell fr4 about enter |
| 03:23.52 | nvz | fr4: complete a thought before pressing enter |
| 03:24.00 | abrotman | nvz: why |
| 03:24.03 | abrotman | that sucks |
| 03:24.04 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:24.11 | nvz | hey |
| 03:24.13 | nvz | abrotman: |
| 03:24.15 | nvz | stfu |
| 03:24.20 | fr4 | sorry :P |
| 03:24.24 | dondelelcaro | don't make me pull out the enter bat... |
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| 03:24.29 | nvz | heh |
| 03:24.38 | abrotman | nvz: it's just not funny .. it should have been .. but it wasn't |
| 03:24.52 | ephic | ok like i was sayin ftp.debian.us.org is that still the valid mirrorsite? |
| 03:24.57 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:24.58 | dpkg | [mirrors] at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 03:25.00 | dondelelcaro | ephic: see above |
| 03:25.10 | ephic | why ty . |
| 03:25.12 | ephic | lol. |
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| 03:26.12 | mvhurja | how i can install IPv6 in debian ? |
| 03:26.18 | abrotman | !ipv6 |
| 03:26.18 | dpkg | i heard ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/ Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6* |
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| 03:28.37 | peterS | wow, that one's out of date |
| 03:28.47 | peterS | ipv6 has been supported as standard in debian for a long time |
| 03:28.56 | peterS | the only difficulty being setting it up with various tunnel broker arrangements |
| 03:29.13 | Chamo78 | newUser: Can anyone help me configuring my Hauppauge Remote Control with KnoppMythtv |
| 03:29.18 | mvhurja | :) |
| 03:29.21 | Chamo78 | ? |
| 03:29.26 | abrotman | this isn't a knoppix support channel |
| 03:29.29 | peterS | mvhurja: do you have native ipv6 connectivity from your ISP? |
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| 03:29.41 | mvhurja | NAT ? |
| 03:30.01 | Chamo78 | is there a knoppix channel? |
| 03:30.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:30.04 | mvhurja | abrotman is out of date :D |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | #knoppix |
| 03:30.10 | mvhurja | haha |
| 03:30.11 | Vladi1 | anyone know of a good place to start on filtering spam i am using postfix and procmail. Looking for a good howto on maby integrating spamassassin bogofilter and some others ? |
| 03:30.11 | Chamo78 | thanks |
| 03:30.12 | abrotman | mvhurja: so what .. |
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| 03:30.26 | abrotman | Vladi1: ask #postfix .. they have some resources |
| 03:30.28 | mvhurja | nothink .. :D |
| 03:30.38 | peterS | mvhurja: you're asking how to "set up ipv6". I assume you meant to connect to the Internet via ipv6. that depends on whether your ISP offers native IPv6 connectivity or not |
| 03:30.49 | Vladi1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:30.51 | abrotman | and if you don't know .. don't try |
| 03:31.07 | abrotman | Vladi1: and check www.postfix.org |
| 03:31.29 | lunaphyte | hello all |
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| 03:32.06 | Vladi1 | abrotman: would using procmail to deliver the mail make a difference |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | Vladi1: not that i know .. |
| 03:32.30 | hacim | why does gnome be evil and steal the sound of xine, vlc, and mplayer keeping me from hearing any audio with movies? |
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| 03:32.59 | abrotman | hacim: join the club .. dunno how to fix it .. but it broke totem too |
| 03:34.31 | lunaphyte | any thoughts on how i might change the mysql client API version in php to something newer than 3.23.56 (libmysqlclient10)? |
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| 03:34.53 | abrotman | #php ? |
| 03:35.00 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 03:35.28 | lunaphyte | me neither.. :( |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | you could stop using mysql and get a real DB :) |
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| 03:36.06 | lunaphyte | i was waiting for that. |
| 03:36.07 | lunaphyte | :) |
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| 03:36.21 | abrotman | lunaphyte: at least you know mysql isn't a real db :) |
| 03:36.22 | lunaphyte | i'm a loser, what can i say. |
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| 03:36.43 | abrotman | lunaphyte: blame the popular media |
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| 03:37.02 | stew | oh its real |
| 03:37.15 | abrotman | really bad? |
| 03:37.24 | stew | really mediocre? |
| 03:37.29 | stew | works |
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| 03:37.38 | abrotman | really .. MS worthy :) |
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| 03:37.50 | stew | just dont try to do fancy stuff like hit it from two different threads at once :) |
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| 03:37.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:38.06 | abrotman | yeah .. cause no DB would ever have that happen to it |
| 03:38.10 | lunaphyte | !kill popculture |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | yay .. britney is dead |
| 03:38.38 | stew | i wish my clients would trust me when i say they should use postgres |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | stew: they should .. you're the smart one :) |
| 03:39.14 | stew | i say postgres they are like wtf i'm not gonna beta test some database, i say how about mysql they are like, "oooh great i keep hearing about that one" |
| 03:39.19 | sgeigerb` | According to http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_faq.html ... I should add these three lines to solve a problem I have: prerotate" "/usr/local/awstats/wwwroot/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -update -config=mydomainconfig" "endscript" However, upon thinking about it a little more, I would have to put a new line in there for every domain that I manage. (What a lot of work to maintain! How error-prone!) How would one ha |
| 03:39.19 | sgeigerb` | ndle this so that Web servers with many sites don't require many lines in that file (one for each domain)? |
| 03:39.28 | lunaphyte | what a pain in the @$$. php4-mysql is built against libmysqlclient10, which of course ends me up with an old ass api version, which means now i can't connect to servers running > 4.0 |
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| 03:39.38 | sgeigerb` | I guess I could write a script to add lines to that script automatically...but that doesn't seem very elegant. |
| 03:39.46 | abrotman | stew: tell them it's been around a lot longer than mysql .. is more mature .. featureful .. all around better |
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| 03:40.27 | abrotman | the mysql and postgresql factoids need severely updated |
| 03:40.34 | stew | !mysql |
| 03:40.34 | dpkg | A fast, simple and reliable relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged in Debian as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 03:40.36 | verNoningoaL | im having a problem installing debian |
| 03:40.37 | stew | !postgres |
| 03:40.38 | dpkg | it has been said that postgres is better than MySQL!, or short for postgresql |
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| 03:40.43 | abrotman | !postgresql |
| 03:40.43 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. Not fast. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 03:40.53 | verNoningoaL | can anyone give me a quick hand |
| 03:40.55 | Sudo | Well im new to linux but i love it alot |
| 03:41.11 | lunaphyte | what's the learning curve involved in moving to postgresql? |
| 03:41.14 | abrotman | stew: pretty bad no? |
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| 03:41.20 | lunaphyte | from mysql, that is.. |
| 03:41.50 | abrotman | lunaphyte: i learned postgresql first . i can't say . but i find pgsql to be far easier than mysql .. in every way :) |
| 03:42.00 | stew | !mysql is also mysql is great for your grandmothers blog but if you want a real db you should look at postgresql |
| 03:42.01 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | oh . that's bad |
| 03:42.26 | Sudo | does any one know hwo to get a Lexmark X1150 to work with debian linux |
| 03:42.41 | abrotman | linuxprinting.org ? |
| 03:42.43 | nvz | heh, thats hitting below the belt |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | lunaphyte: highly unlikely |
| 03:42.57 | debian | !mysql =~ s/a real db/a real and free db/g |
| 03:42.57 | dpkg | debian: OK |
| 03:43.00 | Sudo | i keep getting |
| 03:43.02 | debian | !mysql |
| 03:43.02 | dpkg | A fast, simple and reliable relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged in Debian as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmothers blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql |
| 03:43.42 | brynjarh | !postgresql |
| 03:43.42 | lunaphyte | i'm just proud my grandmother has a blog at all.. |
| 03:43.42 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. Not fast. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 03:43.42 | wanton | that's not nice |
| 03:43.44 | dodgyville | xserver configuration wants the bus location of the graphics card. lspci reports "0000:00:10.0" but that is not the format the config program wants (PCI:? )? |
| 03:43.50 | yxa | notes |
| 03:44.02 | abrotman | dodgyville: ignore it |
| 03:44.04 | Delph | hmm; postgres does replication. |
| 03:44.06 | abrotman | leave it blank |
| 03:44.08 | lunaphyte | postgresql - not fast? |
| 03:44.10 | abrotman | Delph: yes . it does |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | it is fast now |
| 03:44.21 | abrotman | !factinfo postgresql |
| 03:44.21 | dpkg | postgresql -- last modified at Wed Aug 18 07:15:38 2004 by nailbiter!ian@c210-49-212-166.eburwd6.vic.optusnet.com.au; it has been requested 15 times, last by brynjarh, 39s ago. |
| 03:44.25 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:44.30 | abrotman | it's always been fast |
| 03:44.45 | lunaphyte | how come the factoid says that? |
| 03:44.48 | abrotman | but mysql *was* better at fast selects |
| 03:44.49 | debian | !postgresql =~ s/Not fast. //g |
| 03:44.49 | dpkg | OK, debian |
| 03:44.54 | debian | !postgresql |
| 03:44.54 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 03:44.55 | abrotman | and only fast selects .. |
| 03:44.58 | dodgyville | abrotman: the config program seems to think powerpcs need to enter this field, and at the moment (with bus field blank) the xserver doesn't run. (Cannot read V_BIOS). |
| 03:45.00 | Sudo | they got it for a 1100 but no x1150 |
| 03:45.03 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:45.03 | dpkg | methinks ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 03:45.05 | abrotman | dodgyville: ^^ |
| 03:45.06 | verNoningoaL | when i got to set the partition for installing debian an error comes up that reads /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/disc anyone tell me what thats about |
| 03:45.39 | dodgyville | abrotman: I didn't know there was a ppc channel :) |
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| 03:45.51 | debian | !vague |
| 03:45.52 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 03:46.05 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 03:46.13 | findme | any one familiar with wav2dir |
| 03:46.18 | debian | elPepo: no friends here. Only foes |
| 03:46.18 | findme | any one familiar with wav2cdr |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | mysql used to be really good for stuff that was tons of selects and not so much insert/update .. postgres has been good at all of those .. but now while postgres adds speed .. mysql has to go back and add basic features |
| 03:46.23 | stew | !mysql =~ s/mothers/mother's/ |
| 03:46.23 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 03:46.28 | stew | just cuz its gonna bug me |
| 03:46.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:46.35 | elPepo | ok, hi foes |
| 03:46.48 | elPepo | :) |
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| 03:47.06 | ldexter | stew: =~ s/its/it's/ |
| 03:47.17 | stew | shit |
| 03:47.19 | stew | :) |
| 03:47.21 | Lambo | anyone know the most used pop server is on debian? |
| 03:47.23 | ldexter | :-P |
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| 03:47.37 | stew | Lambo: popcon.debian.org i think its vpopper or whatever |
| 03:47.43 | abrotman | stew: and afaik .. pgsql has replication |
| 03:47.55 | Lambo | thanks |
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| 03:48.07 | abrotman | and mysql is still not ACID last i checked |
| 03:48.10 | stew | qpopper |
| 03:48.20 | bob2 | Lambo: use dovecot |
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| 03:48.34 | abrotman | zignig: not again |
| 03:48.41 | lunaphyte | abrotman / stew: what do you guys *not* like about mysql? |
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| 03:48.55 | abrotman | lunaphyte: it's total lack of features ... |
| 03:49.03 | stew | abrotman: i think it can be acid if you go way out of your way to specify all the right table options and stuff |
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| 03:49.11 | lunaphyte | a couple of examples? |
| 03:49.11 | abrotman | stew: oh ok |
| 03:49.17 | albo | tzconfig has the correct timezone, but date doesnt |
| 03:49.17 | mike_ | i just mounted my usb flash drive using command mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/memstick . When i go to unmount it, it says the device is busy.. what do i have to do? |
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| 03:49.19 | stew | lunaphyte: no triggers, no stored procs, not be default transactional |
| 03:49.23 | abrotman | lunaphyte: that last time i tried to do views .. no support |
| 03:49.24 | Lambo | thanks bob |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | lunaphyte: this was mysql3 iirc |
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| 03:49.54 | abrotman | mike_: cd ~ |
| 03:50.03 | zignig | abrotman: <grin> |
| 03:50.05 | lunaphyte | stew: afaik, with the innodb storage engine, mysql is transactional (but i get your example) |
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| 03:50.34 | abrotman | lunaphyte: but innodb isn't truly free? |
| 03:50.37 | abrotman | i cna't rememer |
| 03:50.40 | abrotman | remember |
| 03:50.46 | lunaphyte | who knows.. probably not. |
| 03:50.53 | abrotman | mysql has some odd licenses now |
| 03:50.55 | stew | lunaphyte: if you just say "create table blah (foo int)" then you get a table that has no tx capabilities though, right? |
| 03:51.01 | abrotman | you have to be super careful |
| 03:51.02 | mike_ | abrotman: wtf? wats that gonna do? |
| 03:51.12 | abrotman | mike_: you're using hte directory somehow |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | mike_: either in a shell/xterm . or in konq/nautilus |
| 03:51.37 | abrotman | mike_: close all apps you accessed it with |
| 03:51.51 | mike_ | abrotman: nothing is accessing it, ive checked |
| 03:52.02 | abrotman | mike_: fuser /mnt/memstick |
| 03:52.04 | abrotman | or whatever it |
| 03:52.06 | abrotman | is |
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| 03:52.19 | lunaphyte | i think right now, by default, yes.. i'm no expert, but from what i have read, the myISAM non-transactional engine is going away sooner or later, at which opint innodb, which is an option now, would be the default, i guess. |
| 03:52.31 | lunaphyte | *point |
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| 03:52.36 | abrotman | that doesn't work |
| 03:52.40 | albo | tzconfig has the correct timezone, but date doesnt. how to fix |
| 03:52.41 | pestilence | does anybody use cpudyn with a stock kernel (can it be done?) |
| 03:52.43 | abrotman | damn it |
| 03:52.54 | zignig | abrotman: I just wish the kernel/hotplay would load them as /dev/usb1 etc |
| 03:52.58 | pestilence | or do i have to configure a kernel myself |
| 03:53.08 | abrotman | zignig: i know .. i think udev does something like that |
| 03:53.12 | zignig | abrotman: /dev/sd** is such a pain. |
| 03:53.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:53.39 | mike_ | abrotman: whats famd? |
| 03:53.40 | stew | lunaphyte: i've actually got nothing against mysql, in the end it'll probably end up being a better db just becuase of its popularity, but the fact that it became so popular when postgres is a better db just baffles the mind |
| 03:53.46 | abrotman | mike_: not your problem |
| 03:53.48 | abrotman | !fam |
| 03:53.48 | dpkg | i heard fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 03:53.50 | nullvoid | hi all, when I dpkg -l | grep <package> , I cannot see the package fullname, so I can't remove that package, my question is how do I display the package full name using dpkg -l ? |
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| 03:53.56 | pestilence | my laptop drains the battery very quickly in linux...need to find some way to slow it down |
| 03:54.10 | abrotman | !apci |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 03:54.14 | dpkg | well, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0" |
| 03:54.23 | dodgyville | pestilence: Are you using ext3 file system? |
| 03:54.25 | pestilence | i use acpi... |
| 03:54.29 | pestilence | dodgyville: yes |
| 03:54.30 | nullvoid | pestilence: what's the brand -- make sure your bios support acpi |
| 03:54.31 | abrotman | nullvoid: export COLUMNS=150 |
| 03:54.31 | Turaldane | Hey guys |
| 03:54.42 | TheStar | pestilence: What kernel? |
| 03:54.43 | [Cadet] | pestilence: mount with the noatime option |
| 03:54.44 | Turaldane | Abrotman i got the php stuff to work thanks mate |
| 03:54.44 | dodgyville | pestilence: Also, do you run firewire, irda or other "extras"? |
| 03:54.46 | mike_ | abrotman: so wat do i do? |
| 03:54.49 | pestilence | nullvoid: it's a gateway 450 |
| 03:54.50 | abrotman | Turaldane: what did you have to do? |
| 03:54.56 | nullvoid | abortman: where do I put export? |
| 03:54.58 | abrotman | mike_: see what is using it .. |
| 03:55.01 | dodgyville | pestilence: ext3 is writing to disk every 5 seconds probably, that means the HDD can never power down. |
| 03:55.03 | Turaldane | abrotman: dont know did it all the same and it worked! |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | nullvoid: type it before you type your other command |
| 03:55.07 | TheStar | pestilence: I'm assuming you have a P4 cpu, if so, you might want a kernel that can take advantage, as well as slow it down. |
| 03:55.08 | Turaldane | abrotman: weird |
| 03:55.09 | pestilence | TheStar: 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 03:55.09 | mike_ | abrotman: famd is using it |
| 03:55.10 | abrotman | Turaldane: see :) |
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| 03:55.16 | TheStar | pestilence: Ok, forget my statement ;) |
| 03:55.17 | Turaldane | abrotman: :P |
| 03:55.20 | abrotman | mike_: /etc/init.d/famd stop |
| 03:55.30 | lunaphyte | stew: yeah. chalk it up to the dolphin. :) |
| 03:55.31 | nullvoid | pestilence: google around to look for battery gateway 450 linux ;) |
| 03:55.36 | Turaldane | Any ideas how I make something startup in debian on boot??? |
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| 03:55.41 | abrotman | mike_: /etc/init.d/fam stop |
| 03:55.43 | mike_ | abrotman: do i have to do that everytime i wanna use this drive? |
| 03:55.50 | Turaldane | I have a script i want to start on boot |
| 03:55.53 | Turaldane | Any ideas how??? |
| 03:55.56 | abrotman | mike_: you could remove famd .. i think it's kind of stupid myself :) |
| 03:56.03 | Guerin | Turaldane: man update-rc.d |
| 03:56.12 | pestilence | [Cadet]: i knew about noatime with reiserfs...didn't know to use it with ext3 |
| 03:56.26 | pestilence | nullvoid: will do :) |
| 03:56.26 | mike_ | abrotman: ok, so i have to do that if i want to continue using this drive |
| 03:56.41 | Guerin | Turaldane: and read /etc/init.d/{README,skel,bootmisc.sh} |
| 03:56.44 | pestilence | dodgyville: no extras other than wireless and an optical mouse |
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| 03:57.03 | abrotman | mike_: did you install gnome-volume-manager? |
| 03:57.23 | dodgyville | pestilence: Do you use the wireless? Because having it running when not using it might be draining battery. But definitely do the HDD thing (noatime) |
| 03:57.24 | Turaldane | Umm.... Will try Guerin but these man files confuse the hell out of me |
| 03:57.29 | TheStar | Has anyone been able to look at and troubleshoot my strace? |
| 03:57.31 | mike_ | abrotman: no |
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| 03:57.33 | fr4 | /lib/modules/2.6.9-2-686/build |
| 03:57.41 | TheStar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/196 |
| 03:57.42 | fr4 | are the link of kernel headers? |
| 03:57.44 | pestilence | dodgyville: yes, i use the wireless |
| 03:57.57 | abrotman | mike_: that might help .. dunno .. i'd just remove famd .. it's not good for much afaik |
| 03:58.12 | TheStar | Or at least explain what is happening at a low level. |
| 03:58.13 | elPepo | do i have to use SAMBA to configure my linux box as printer server for windows machines ? |
| 03:58.20 | TheStar | elPepo: Yes. |
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| 03:58.33 | TheStar | elPepo: Well... It's much easier. |
| 03:58.39 | albo | tzconfig has the correct timezone, but date doesnt. how to fix |
| 03:58.46 | abrotman | TheStar: that just ain't right |
| 03:58.54 | Guerin | albo: man date |
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| 03:58.59 | Turaldane | Guerin: Just read the man file now i am 100% confused |
| 03:59.00 | mike_ | abrotman: thanks fir your help |
| 03:59.02 | abrotman | elPepo: you don't have to .. but it's the easiest way |
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| 03:59.06 | mike_ | abrotman: thanks for your help ** |
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| 03:59.09 | TheStar | abrotman: I'm having this problem with two machines - one woody, one Sid - this is the sid one, but it looks identical. |
| 03:59.09 | abrotman | mike_: sorry i didn't have a better answer |
| 03:59.15 | Guerin | Turaldane: read the other files. |
| 03:59.19 | abrotman | TheStar: i have no idea |
| 03:59.21 | mike_ | abrotman: np |
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| 03:59.34 | elPepo | but ca I do it without samba |
| 03:59.36 | TheStar | abrotman: Woody had the issue with gzip, which appears to be corrupt. |
| 03:59.40 | pestilence | so, for noatime, do i leave "defaults" in fstab? |
| 03:59.44 | abrotman | TheStar: dying drives? |
| 03:59.45 | Zopei | anyone know how to make xine work with DVD's? libdvdcss isn't working |
| 03:59.46 | pestilence | or just change it to noatime |
| 03:59.49 | TheStar | abrotman: I'm guessing cp is corrupt as well, but the timeing is wierd. |
| 03:59.50 | Guerin | pestilence: no, you use noatime. |
| 03:59.59 | pestilence | Guerin: k, thanks |
| 04:00.02 | TheStar | abrotman: That's what I thought, but at around the same time, my other server did this. |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | TheStar: your drive is dying . or your system is hacked |
| 04:00.17 | abrotman | cracked . whatever |
| 04:00.23 | abrotman | i'm hungry |
| 04:00.26 | TheStar | abrotman: I'm starting to lean towards teh later :( |
| 04:00.31 | abrotman | latter |
| 04:00.36 | abrotman | TheStar: that sucks .. bad |
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| 04:00.53 | lunaphyte | !feed abrotman |
| 04:01.05 | lunaphyte | well that backfired. |
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| 04:01.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:01.27 | mike_ | rofl |
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| 04:01.47 | Turaldane | Guerin: i dont understand any of this i am not trying to be annoying is there no file like rc.local where i can run stuff from there on boot??? |
| 04:02.10 | Xemacs_ | he isn't hugry no more |
| 04:02.12 | lunaphyte | i suppose you probably wouldn't be hungry after that though. |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | Turaldane: not on debian |
| 04:02.14 | Xemacs_ | hungry |
| 04:02.15 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 04:02.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 04:02.22 | lunaphyte | damn! that's 2 now. |
| 04:02.25 | Turaldane | !rc.local |
| 04:02.25 | dpkg | well, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 04:02.55 | nSaltoUY | is there an English word "ditzy"? |
| 04:02.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:03.06 | abrotman | nSaltoUY: #english |
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| 04:03.20 | Turaldane | Holy Fuck i am screwed lol |
| 04:03.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:03.31 | Turaldane | Just dont understand it |
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| 04:03.37 | mike_ | slowww reaction time |
| 04:03.46 | Guerin | Turaldane: there fucking is |
| 04:03.50 | T` | i am having trouble with NetworkManager.. it complains about some /tmp/named-xxx.conf file not being able to open and hence it wont detect any name servers to connect to the net |
| 04:03.54 | abrotman | Turaldane: you put your script in /etc/init.d .. then use update-rc.d to put it in the runlevels you need |
| 04:04.00 | T` | does anyone know how i can solve this problem? |
| 04:04.06 | Guerin | Turaldane: if you'd fucking read the files I told you, you'd fucking realise what you had to do |
| 04:04.11 | abrotman | NetworkManager? |
| 04:04.12 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 04:04.30 | T` | its an app to easily manage wireless connections |
| 04:04.31 | Turaldane | Guerin: I tried reading them settle down man I am learning Debian for fuck sake |
| 04:04.41 | abrotman | iwconfig ? |
| 04:04.45 | Turaldane | Guerin: I am trying to get my head around it |
| 04:04.45 | pestilence | back to my original question...has anybody here used cpudyn with debian |
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| 04:05.02 | Guerin | pestilence: /msg dpkg anyone use |
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| 04:05.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:05.33 | pestilence | Guerin: thanks! |
| 04:05.40 | TheStar | Anything else recommended? |
| 04:05.47 | abrotman | Turaldane: it's ok .. dont' feel bad .. everyone has to learn .. just make sure you're willing to read |
| 04:05.53 | abrotman | !faq |
| 04:05.53 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 04:06.14 | TheStar | Turaldane: And whatever happens, don't feel discouraged. |
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| 04:06.34 | TheStar | Turaldane: But when you *do* solve a problem that's been eluded, feel free to feel inspired ;) |
| 04:06.34 | Xenguy | TheStar: rkhunter |
| 04:06.35 | Turaldane | ok thanks |
| 04:06.44 | TheStar | Thanks Xenguy. |
| 04:06.44 | pestilence | Guerin: so where do you suggest people go for community support if it isn't appropriate here? |
| 04:06.49 | Xenguy | TheStar: yw |
| 04:07.03 | abrotman | pestilence: for starters . wtf is cpudyn? |
| 04:07.04 | Guerin | pestilence: it is; you just have to ask real questions. |
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| 04:07.23 | lunaphyte | anyway, stew, abrotman - thanks for the suggestion. |
| 04:07.30 | pestilence | abrotman: it is a program that scales the cpu frequency on certain pentium processors |
| 04:07.33 | peterS | pestilence: "does anyone use" just isn't a useful question. obviously that's not *all* you wanted to know. ask your real question directly, like "how do I configure foo for use with ......." |
| 04:07.34 | abrotman | pestilence: and if you just want to know if it works with a stock kernel that comes with debian .. try it |
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| 04:07.51 | abrotman | pestilence: i believe they do .. but i'm not sure ... |
| 04:07.53 | pestilence | abrotman: i have tried it, with no success |
| 04:08.01 | abrotman | pestilence: are you sure your CPU supports it? |
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| 04:08.15 | TheStar | What's yw? |
| 04:08.15 | abrotman | pestilence: and which kernel? |
| 04:08.21 | pestilence | abrotman: fairly sure...it's a pentium-M |
| 04:08.35 | pestilence | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 Mobile CPU 1.70GHz |
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| 04:08.43 | abrotman | that's your CPU |
| 04:08.47 | pestilence | 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 04:08.47 | abrotman | what's your kernel |
| 04:08.51 | abydos | who packages realtime-lsm modules? |
| 04:08.55 | Guerin | TheStar: you wanker |
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| 04:09.00 | abrotman | !maint realtime-lsm |
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| 04:09.05 | dpkg | realtime-lsm: Guenter Geiger (Debian/GNU) <geiger@debian.org> |
| 04:09.10 | abrotman | abydos: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
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| 04:09.15 | abrotman | sgeigerbot? |
| 04:09.16 | TheStar | Guerin: Ahh, I knew it was important! :) |
| 04:09.17 | abydos | ah, thx |
| 04:09.24 | pestilence | so, i modprobe'd p4_clockmod |
| 04:09.27 | Guerin | no, sgeigerbot is shane geiger |
| 04:09.33 | abrotman | pestilence: have you read any docs on it? |
| 04:09.35 | abrotman | !speedstep |
| 04:09.36 | dpkg | methinks speedstep is the frequency scaling feature found on some Intel mobile processors. Ask me about {cpufreq}. |
| 04:09.41 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 04:09.42 | dpkg | [cpufreq] a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 04:09.48 | pestilence | and then the proper files showed up in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
| 04:10.20 | pestilence | abrotman: well, i read the FAQ on the cpudyn website |
| 04:10.40 | abydos | well he needs to make modules for 2.6.9 |
| 04:10.46 | abrotman | who does? |
| 04:10.52 | abydos | or hand over maintenance to someone who will |
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| 04:10.58 | abydos | ggeiger |
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| 04:11.22 | Guerin | abydos: whine about it on debian-devel, or build modules yourself. |
| 04:11.23 | mike_ | i have one last problem, im trying to install my soundcard (als4000) on sarge and it keeps coming up with all these unresolved symbols. I found out it is a bug, #284181. A guy gave me some instructions to fix it, but it wasn't terribly helpful :-\ . |
| 04:11.39 | abydos | gah, I'm too freaking lazy to make the kernel versions match |
| 04:11.44 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:11.49 | abrotman | abydos: use the list |
| 04:12.04 | abydos | it's not as if it's a cakewalk to use self-made modules with prebuilt kernels |
| 04:12.18 | pestilence | i'm thinking i need to recompile the kernel for cpufreq to work...even though it looks like those modules are built |
| 04:12.18 | peterS | TheStar: how did you get yourself into that situation? |
| 04:12.23 | dondelelcaro | abydos: it's not that hard, assuming you know what you're doing... |
| 04:12.29 | pestilence | which is why i was asking if anybody uses cpudyn with debian |
| 04:12.37 | pestilence | i was wondering if it works with the stock kernel |
| 04:12.41 | abydos | dondelelcaro: ah, but you see I don't |
| 04:12.41 | TheStar | peterS: Just discovered all of a sudden that cp and df started to seg fault. |
| 04:12.41 | abrotman | pestilence: i don't think you do .. i'd try coming back tomorrow .. during the day .. you might get more help |
| 04:12.45 | mlewis00 | What is the best way to determine which package is holding back some packages when I apt-get upgrade? |
| 04:12.51 | pestilence | and i actually asked that exact question the first time i asked.... |
| 04:12.56 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: use a frontend like aptitude |
| 04:13.11 | pestilence | abrotman: ok, i will do that. thanks |
| 04:13.12 | abrotman | pestilence: i just don't see why it wouldn't .. |
| 04:13.15 | peterS | TheStar: truly not a good sign. either a botched rootkit install, or hardware flakiness |
| 04:13.15 | bbrazil | TheStar: cat and redirects |
| 04:13.23 | abrotman | pestilence: i'd try it .. but i have no idea what it would do to mine |
| 04:13.28 | TheStar | peterS: I'm also fairly sure that they are currupt, but *how* is my question, the curruption occured at around the same time as similar issues on other server. |
| 04:13.28 | hackel | Does anyone know a decent PCI modem they could recommend to use with linux? It's almost impossible to tell what is a winmodem when searching online... |
| 04:13.36 | abrotman | hackel: i told you .. 2 hours ago |
| 04:13.39 | larrikin | is it true that aptitude doesn't install on unstable atm due to experimental packages ? |
| 04:13.43 | Nurbs | mlewis00: you can also "apt-get install package" and check recursively, if necessary |
| 04:13.44 | abydos | wow, I haven't updated in a while |
| 04:13.50 | abrotman | hackel: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B |
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| 04:13.54 | dondelelcaro | larrikin: if you've got an apt from experimental, yes. |
| 04:14.02 | Nurbs | same for apt-file |
| 04:14.02 | larrikin | oh |
| 04:14.03 | pestilence | abrotman: probably tell you the same thing it tells me "Nothing to do, exiting" ;) |
| 04:14.04 | dondelelcaro | larrikin: but then, you should already know that if you're using experimental. |
| 04:14.06 | hackel | abrotman: Sorry, I must have missed it. Thank you. |
| 04:14.17 | abrotman | hackel: i'm pretty sure it's not a winmodem |
| 04:14.18 | larrikin | I don't think my apt is from exp.. |
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| 04:14.23 | dondelelcaro | larrikin: dpkg -l apt |
| 04:14.28 | dondelelcaro | !info apt experimental |
| 04:14.30 | abrotman | pestilence: i d'nt have a CPU that does speedstep |
| 04:14.35 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.6.25 (experimental), Packaged size: 980 kB, Installed size: 2988 kB |
| 04:14.46 | Nurbs | is apt 0.5.x developed in parallel to 0.6.x (with x == x obviously :)) |
| 04:14.53 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs: no |
| 04:14.56 | Nurbs | ah, ok. |
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| 04:15.09 | ^f0kker^ | hello |
| 04:15.09 | pestilence | abrotman: well, thanks anyways... |
| 04:15.17 | larrikin | apt=0.6.21 |
| 04:15.24 | dondelelcaro | larrikin: that's experimental's apt. |
| 04:15.28 | TheStar | peterS: How would I check the rootkit? It's broken apt. |
| 04:15.35 | larrikin | dang |
| 04:15.36 | TheStar | peterS: And dpkg as well. |
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| 04:16.02 | peterS | TheStar: your options are getting increasingly limited. not sure how I'd proceed.. |
| 04:16.06 | abydos | deeamn, I really need to upgrade |
| 04:16.16 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: I do apt-get -s dselect-upgrade and it wants to remove a number of packages and apt-get -s dist-upgrade wants to remove only one package (libmimelib1) but I find it hard to believe that all 229 packages that are being held back are dependent upon that package... |
| 04:16.27 | ^f0kker^ | I'm newbie, may I ask a question? |
| 04:16.42 | wanton | exit |
| 04:16.43 | abydos | when there are more packages "upgraded" than there are "not upgraded" it's probably time to upgrade |
| 04:16.50 | ^f0kker^ | I'm going to install debian and I can't find information about what kernel does it use |
| 04:16.52 | Guerin | TheStar: yoour box is rootkitted? |
| 04:16.54 | TheStar | peterS: Well, I've just ordered a new HDD, so I'm thinking of just redoing the server. There is a chance that it *is* corruption... |
| 04:16.54 | abydos | noone's going to prevent you |
| 04:16.57 | TheStar | Guerin: Possibly. |
| 04:16.57 | abydos | it uses linux |
| 04:17.01 | peterS | TheStar: sure |
| 04:17.06 | abrotman | ^f0kker^: uname -r |
| 04:17.09 | Guerin | ^f0kker^: depends on the version |
| 04:17.19 | abydos | depends on what version you install, you can use 2.4, 2.2, or 2.6 |
| 04:17.19 | abrotman | oh . |
| 04:17.21 | Guerin | abrotman: um, I don't think he has it installed yet |
| 04:17.22 | abrotman | is going to |
| 04:17.40 | Guerin | TheStar: why possibly? WHat does chkrootkit say? |
| 04:17.54 | TheStar | I actually doubt that my server's rootkitted, my third server'd be gone then, because afaik, the only way to get in atm is via a postfix exploit, and by getting my ssh key. |
| 04:17.57 | abydos | perhaps he didn't have it installed earlier |
| 04:18.05 | TheStar | Guerin: I can't install anything. |
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| 04:18.16 | TheStar | Guerin: On one, gzip is broken, and dkpg is gone. |
| 04:18.20 | mike_ | heh. If i recompile the kernel, will it automatically add itself to grub? |
| 04:18.20 | TheStar | Guerin: On the other, cp is borked. |
| 04:18.33 | TheStar | Oh well, in goes the new HDD... |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | TheStar: can you scp some files over? |
| 04:18.45 | mike_ | upgrading the kernel to 2.6 that is |
| 04:18.51 | abydos | chkrootkit is more useful if it's installed before the possible rootkit |
| 04:18.52 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Anyway, I guess I will try dselect to find out what I can but from past experience I find this quite tedious and was looking for an easier way...thanks :) |
| 04:18.53 | zignig | TheStar: carefull which direction you do that from. |
| 04:19.01 | drac | mike_: if you make-kpkg .deb and install it, it automatically adds grub lines. |
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| 04:19.06 | TheStar | zignig: What do you mean? I'm installing from woody DVD. |
| 04:19.08 | Guerin | TheStar: frankly, I'd just nuke and restore from backups at this point. |
| 04:19.53 | mike_ | drac: thanks |
| 04:19.53 | TheStar | Guerin: Only data is important. |
| 04:19.53 | TheStar | Guerin: But I'll be selectively coping over config files. |
| 04:19.53 | Guerin | TheStar: yes. That's why you have backups. |
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| 04:19.54 | Guerin | TheStar: those are backed up too, right? |
| 04:19.54 | ^f0kker^ | I'm going to download Debian 3.0r3 |
| 04:19.54 | ^f0kker^ | does it include 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:19.55 | abydos | ... that's woody |
| 04:19.56 | eidolon | heya folks - i'm googling all over, but can't find a pointer to how to add a defined session to GDM. i'm running Debian testing, all up to date. |
| 04:19.56 | abydos | no |
| 04:20.01 | Guerin | ^f0kker^: what will you use this machine for? |
| 04:20.12 | TheStar | Guerin: No they aren't! This happened two weeks after installation (big powerstorm nuked UPS and etc) |
| 04:20.19 | abydos | actually, guerin's question is better |
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| 04:20.42 | mike_ | drac: so i recompile the kernel, and use that command, or is it done automatically? |
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| 04:20.47 | ^f0kker^ | This is notebook, and 2.6 kernel includes support for it's video (855GME) |
| 04:20.47 | TheStar | Guerin: I take backups when config is *finished*, perhaps I should review that decision... |
| 04:20.54 | ^f0kker^ | text,video, etc |
| 04:20.56 | brynjarh | ^f0kker^: Don't download woody, it's ancient! You should get sarge. |
| 04:21.02 | drac | !tell mike_ about kp |
| 04:21.02 | abydos | you probably want sarge |
| 04:21.14 | abydos | or sid, but sid is basically an upgrade path from sarge |
| 04:21.32 | abydos | as far as I know there are no "sid" install ISOs anywhere |
| 04:21.37 | FriedBob | For installing Debian 3.0 rc4, how many of the CDs do you need to get a base install with 2.6.x + basic server features (apache, mysql, ssh etc), program development/compiling and such? I'm also wanting to use SELinux. |
| 04:21.43 | drac | mike, check what dpkg said to you. if you do kernel the debian way, and install it, it has automatical grub/lilo updaters .. |
| 04:21.44 | ^f0kker^ | thanks |
| 04:21.51 | FriedBob | No X is needed, nor is it wanted. |
| 04:21.53 | Guerin | ^f0kker^: ^f0kker^ install debian sarge - debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 04:22.07 | Guerin | FriedBob: probably just the first |
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| 04:22.31 | jorgp | sarge does not have security updates |
| 04:22.33 | Guerin | TheStar: yeah, that's a stupid policy |
| 04:22.43 | Guerin | TheStar: just use versioned incremental backups |
| 04:22.56 | FriedBob | Guerin: Ok, and I will need to grab the SELinux packages seperately, right? |
| 04:23.01 | jorgp | FriedBob: just the first one will do if you want to install the rest via net |
| 04:23.02 | Guerin | FriedBob: right. |
| 04:23.15 | abydos | jorgp: true, but woody is probably nearly as old as my youngest cousin |
| 04:23.17 | FriedBob | jorgp: Box ain't online atm. |
| 04:23.22 | ^f0kker^ | does sarge comes with X server? |
| 04:23.32 | vulture | ^f0kker^: if you install it, sure.. |
| 04:23.33 | brynjarh | It's the plan to have security updates for tesing in the future right? I thought I read that somewhere. |
| 04:23.34 | Guerin | ^f0kker^: it comes with one. |
| 04:23.36 | abydos | ^f0kker^: sarge has everything woody has |
| 04:23.44 | abydos | ^f0kker^: except in better versions |
| 04:23.47 | Guerin | actually, sarge has double what woody has |
| 04:24.00 | Guerin | woody is 7cds; sarge is ~13 |
| 04:24.02 | jorgp | FriedBob: the more cd's you have the less you have to get from net, I only have 4 cd's of woody |
| 04:24.05 | TheStar | Guerin: I've been thinking of putting /etc in svn. |
| 04:24.07 | abydos | ah, but I made no specification about having more |
| 04:24.14 | mike_ | !tell mike_ about make-kpkg |
| 04:24.17 | abydos | but sarge has at least what woody has |
| 04:24.18 | jorgp | brynjarh: that is the holdup for sarge release |
| 04:24.22 | Guerin | TheStar: I use rsnapshot |
| 04:24.32 | dave | my sarge is bigger than your woody |
| 04:24.36 | TheStar | Guerin: Hmm. |
| 04:24.42 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 04:24.42 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 04:24.52 | drac | mike_: you can also use 'kp mantra' and 'make-kpkg' to dpkg in private :-) |
| 04:24.56 | dave | thx |
| 04:25.04 | mike_ | drac: lol, k |
| 04:25.07 | jorgp | unless you need the newer glibc or gcc for something, I would go woody |
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| 04:25.23 | Turaldane | Guys i am trying this update-rc.d ts2server startNN runlvl |
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| 04:25.30 | Turaldane | any ideas why this isnt working??? |
| 04:25.30 | ^f0kker^ | maybe anyone knows.. Does linux support S-video output.. I mean, maybe any projects or something? |
| 04:25.31 | FriedBob | jorgp: I'm a Slacker, and just using Debian to get a better grasp of SELinux before I go back and try tackling SELinux on Slack. WTF is "woody" "sid" and "sarge" ? |
| 04:25.48 | Guerin | !faq FriedBob |
| 04:25.49 | dpkg | FriedBob: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 04:26.00 | Guerin | FriedBob: debian.org/releases/ |
| 04:26.11 | cat | anyone here uses gngeo? |
| 04:26.13 | abydos | jorgp: his video card isn't supported except in 2.6 |
| 04:26.25 | ^f0kker^ | everyone says that with 855GM/GME S-video will not work |
| 04:26.29 | jorgp | FriedBob: woody is current stable, sid is current unstable, sarge is testing that will become stable |
| 04:26.32 | Guerin | Turaldane: does your script have a case in start; ? |
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| 04:27.00 | ncterval | I have a broken package issue, this is apt-get's error output: Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/mms.protocol', which is also in package kplayer dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe |
| 04:27.09 | abydos | I used to use gngeo, but I couldn't find any roms for it |
| 04:27.15 | Guerin | ncterval: dpkg --force-help |
| 04:27.31 | Guerin | ncterval: what distro, btw? |
| 04:27.38 | ncterval | Debian Sid |
| 04:27.54 | ncterval | kpackage was installed with a 3rd party .deb, which probably caused the problem. |
| 04:27.54 | Guerin | ncterval: if you're using sid, why don't you know how to fix things like this? |
| 04:27.57 | jorgp | sarge is pretty stable, just no security updates |
| 04:27.58 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:28.02 | abydos | the best emulator I've played lately besides zsnes is gens |
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| 04:28.05 | larrikin | when do we move on from toy story btw ..? |
| 04:28.10 | Guerin | sarge is NOT stable; it changes daily. |
| 04:28.15 | Guerin | it's a moving target. |
| 04:28.15 | ncterval | Guerin: Ouch? |
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| 04:28.31 | abydos | sid is very moving, it changes more than once a day |
| 04:28.38 | jorgp | Guerin: yeah |
| 04:28.47 | Guerin | abydos: no, sid still only changes once per day. |
| 04:28.58 | TheStar | Guerin: I might just push it onto my rsync backup system. |
| 04:28.58 | Turaldane | Guerin you have totaly lost me now all i wanted to do was a a script that said LINE1:#!/bin/sh LINE2: echo Starting TS2 Server LINE3: sh usr/local/tss2_rc2/teamspeak2-server_startscript end of file. |
| 04:28.59 | Guerin | ncterval: yeah; 3rd party reps are pretty hard work at times. |
| 04:29.04 | Turaldane | I want that to happen on boot |
| 04:29.10 | Turaldane | Why is it soo hard to do?? |
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| 04:29.19 | Guerin | Turaldane: put it in bootmisc.sh, ftlog |
| 04:29.34 | Guerin | Turaldane: if you'd bothered to read that script, you'd see what that was for |
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| 04:29.57 | Turaldane | I did i didnt understand it |
| 04:30.05 | Turaldane | I saw it was for misc stuff |
| 04:30.11 | Guerin | Turaldane: what was unclear about that? |
| 04:30.11 | abydos | ... |
| 04:30.15 | abydos | boot misc |
| 04:30.20 | Turaldane | Sorry dont undertstand everything about the files |
| 04:30.20 | abydos | what is so hard about that |
| 04:30.36 | abydos | miscellaneous stuff to happen on boot |
| 04:30.39 | abydos | jebus |
| 04:30.44 | Turaldane | Sorry I am stupid OK |
| 04:30.47 | abydos | Even I know that, and I'm like total n00b |
| 04:30.50 | Guerin | # bootmisc.sh Miscellaneous things to be done during bootup. <-- from the script itself |
| 04:31.06 | jorgp | Guerin: I thought that Sarge Base+Standard where frozen |
| 04:31.17 | Guerin | jorgp: they are. |
| 04:31.32 | abydos | and anyway... what are you doing starting a server without using an init script? |
| 04:32.01 | Guerin | abydos: TS is non-free, not in debian, and it doesn't come with real init scripts |
| 04:32.05 | Turaldane | abydos what do u mean |
| 04:32.20 | loots | Hi. I want install GTK but it fail when installing : configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check I installed gcc-3.4 and g++-3.4, i don't undestand why it fails ? Can you help me ? |
| 04:32.22 | abydos | god, non-free stuff sucks so badly sometimes |
| 04:32.39 | abydos | Turaldane: init scripts allow systems to control service load order |
| 04:32.45 | Guerin | !b-e loots |
| 04:32.46 | dpkg | loots: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 04:33.00 | loots | thanks |
| 04:33.08 | Turaldane | Sorry I am in that file and yes i understand what you are saying I am not a coder do iu just add the line that i want to load under . /etc/default/rcS??? |
| 04:33.16 | Guerin | yer welcome |
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| 04:35.05 | abydos | omfg, this upgrade is interminable |
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| 04:35.17 | themime | what are some options at the boot: prompt (after installing it; im using LILO) |
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| 04:35.25 | abydos | I even got an ADSL upgrade, and it's still somewhat slow |
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| 04:36.13 | Guerin | Turaldane: just put if [ -x /path/to/your/script ] ; then /path/to/your/script && echo Script started ; else echo script failed >&2 ; fi |
| 04:36.15 | abydos | wtf, konqueror + gmail on IE useragent... |
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| 04:36.20 | Guerin | or somesuch |
| 04:36.54 | abydos | equals no login... |
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| 04:38.37 | [iago] | anyone getting this error when apt-get upgrading?: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 04:39.44 | Guerin | [iago]: what's on line 1?? |
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| 04:43.24 | [iago] | Guerin: image extractor), pdftotext (PDF to text converter), and |
| 04:43.29 | [iago] | thats on line 1 |
| 04:43.41 | nailbiter | [iago]: you can do a 'dselect update' to replace a corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available file. |
| 04:43.42 | [iago] | whats on your line 1, a package name? |
| 04:43.58 | [iago] | nailbiter: giving it a shot |
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| 04:45.25 | [iago] | nailbiter: rock n roll, thanks |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | idimmu: looks like it's had the top mangled off it; nailbiter is right |
| 04:46.19 | Guerin | nailbiter: long time no see |
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| 04:46.34 | t35t0r | does anyone have working audio under ALSA with this device: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60), using linux-2.6.9 or greater (SND_VIA82XX)? |
| 04:46.34 | nailbiter | Guerin: yah. :) how's things? still teaching in korea? |
| 04:46.59 | Guerin | nailbiter: two weeks to go; then home for 3, then starting a new job on 2x the money :) |
| 04:47.10 | mike_ | alright, im off, seeya later |
| 04:47.10 | nailbiter | t35t0r: yes. |
| 04:47.21 | nailbiter | Guerin: ooh. :) what's that? |
| 04:47.30 | Guerin | nailbiter: same shit, different employer. |
| 04:47.41 | Guerin | more work, more money. |
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| 04:49.01 | dave_ | ok, i just installed debian (sarge), how do i update the apt-get source list? |
| 04:49.14 | Guerin | dave_: man apt-get |
| 04:49.15 | abydos | vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:49.18 | abydos | etc |
| 04:49.23 | nailbiter | Guerin: well, money's always welcome. :) |
| 04:49.24 | abydos | not to spoon feed of course |
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| 04:50.05 | nailbiter | t35t0r: please ask in the channel; it'll help if others have the same chipset/problem. :) well, mine's listead as a "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)" |
| 04:50.07 | nullvoid | why this doesn't work: PacName="dpkg -l | grep madwifi-module | awk -F' ' '{print $1}'"|sh |
| 04:50.18 | t35t0r | nailbiter, its not apples to applies i'm talking rev 60 |
| 04:50.30 | abydos | hang on, lemme find mine out |
| 04:50.55 | abydos | crap, that didn't help much |
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| 04:51.23 | abydos | I have the rev 50 |
| 04:51.32 | abydos | t35t0r: wish I could help |
| 04:51.40 | nailbiter | t35t0r: yah, wish i could help, too. :-\ |
| 04:51.48 | t35t0r | nailbiter, what mobo and bios? |
| 04:52.16 | abydos | I'm on a biostar M6VLQ with I want to say Award Bios |
| 04:52.23 | abydos | or some such |
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| 04:52.32 | abydos | biostar motherboards suck |
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| 04:52.50 | nailbiter | t35t0r: Award 6.00PG, not sure about the mainboard, i'm afraid |
| 04:52.57 | t35t0r | i tried all these kernels 2.6.11-rc1, 2.6.10, 2.6.10-gentoo-r5 (ya ya don't hassle me cause it doesn't work with stock kernels either), 2.6.9, 2.6.8.1, 2.6.7-gentoo-r11 ..of all these it only works under 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.7-gentoo-r11 |
| 04:53.09 | dave_ | how would i add security.debian.org in the sources.list file? |
| 04:53.23 | abydos | t35t0r: so what exactly is the problem? |
| 04:53.34 | abydos | t35t0r: you haven't come out in the channel and said |
| 04:53.39 | dave_ | deb http://security.debian.org testing/??? |
| 04:53.45 | nailbiter | t35t0r: well, if you've managed to get it working with a gentoo kernel, why not use that? :) |
| 04:53.49 | t35t0r | abydos, no sound for the kernels which i listed above as not working |
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| 04:54.11 | W1thdraw | how do i change my static ip? |
| 04:54.24 | t35t0r | nailbiter, i've got it working with an old gentoo kernel and an old stock kernel it's not working for anything >=2.6.9 |
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| 04:54.35 | spoofer | W1thdraw: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:54.35 | t35t0r | nailbiter, stock or gentoo ..gentoo kernel is just security fixes anyways |
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| 04:54.37 | nailbiter | W1thdraw: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces. there are some nice examples in the interfaces(5) manpage, too .. |
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| 04:54.41 | W1thdraw | kewl thanks |
| 04:54.53 | t35t0r | abydos, nailbiter, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78327 |
| 04:54.57 | spoofer | W1thdraw: apply the change after |
| 04:54.59 | W1thdraw | do i need to reboot to apply the changes? |
| 04:55.12 | spoofer | W1thdraw: or use gnome-system-tools |
| 04:55.14 | nailbiter | wilylojik: no -- just do a 'ifup --force eth0' (or whatever your interface is named) |
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| 04:55.32 | nailbiter | W1thdraw: no -- just do a 'ifup --force eth0' (or whatever your interface is named) |
| 04:55.38 | nailbiter | wilylojik: sorry. wrong guy. :) |
| 04:55.45 | W1thdraw | o yeah i forgot im not using windows |
| 04:55.51 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: I checked with dselect, aptitude, and various apt-get commands and all show a different idea of what is wrong and different solutions to the problem. Which is the most reliable? Or should I just wait and see if the problem 'fixes itself' by way of the developers finishing the pending upgrades? |
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| 04:56.07 | nailbiter | t35t0r: i can't suggest anything other than getting in touch with the snd-via82xx maintainer. :-\ |
| 04:56.32 | t35t0r | nailbiter, ya sounds like what i'm gonna have to do (no pun intended) |
| 04:56.56 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: well, there may be multiple things going on. aptitude and dselect tend to be more able to resolve this sort of problem. Typically when an apt-get upgrade; won't install a package, it's because non-trivial action (such as removing, or adding a package) is required. |
| 04:57.16 | booyaa | hey all |
| 04:57.18 | booyaa | just out of curiosity, anyone here running a wacom tablet on debian? did you compile your own driver or use the tools from debian repositories to set that up? |
| 04:57.19 | abydos | well now, is this a gentoo chat room? |
| 04:57.22 | abydos | :) |
| 04:57.29 | t35t0r | abydos, this is not a gentoo problem |
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| 04:57.36 | t35t0r | abydos, i've used stock kernels |
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| 04:57.57 | t35t0r | abydos, both working and non-working |
| 04:58.08 | nailbiter | booyaa: which wacom tablet? |
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| 04:58.12 | t35t0r | abydos, i'm just trying to find anyone with a rev60 device |
| 04:58.32 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Will this 'fix itself' or should I just take whatever action I think seems the least likely to break something? |
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| 04:58.40 | booyaa | nailbiter, well i have a graphire my self |
| 04:58.49 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: just use aptitude to upgrade (or dselect if you prefer that) |
| 04:58.52 | nailbiter | booyaa: ok. that's well-supported. try http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net |
| 04:58.56 | abydos | t35t0r: I understand completely |
| 04:59.02 | booyaa | nailbiter, oh danke |
| 04:59.25 | [iago] | "I can not street that too much. You need to reboot soon" hehehe, great apt message. |
| 04:59.25 | abydos | t35t0r: however I am unaware of the differences between the rev50 and rev60 boards |
| 04:59.25 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: they'll remove old/install new packages as appropriate. [and they won't remove things you want, as is typically the case with apt-get dist-upgrade] |
| 04:59.47 | t35t0r | abydos, who is? |
| 05:00.06 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Well, those methods want to remove important parts of gnome (and other things) at the present :( |
| 05:00.12 | abydos | t35t0r: I would probably say nobody but VIA |
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| 05:00.40 | t35t0r | abydos, well something happened to the kernel code between 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.9 shouldn't be too difficult to track down but it could be anything i have no clue about how the kernel is code ... |
| 05:00.43 | abydos | it's not as if it's a really high-end card that everyone documents religiously |
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| 05:01.02 | Guerin | [iago]: a better one, which if you're luck you'll never see is: You are about to do something which could potentially ruin your system. If you are serious, type "Yes, do as I say." |
| 05:01.09 | t35t0r | abydos, the really low end consumer stuff is the stuff which should get the most attention anyways |
| 05:01.10 | Guerin | or words to that effect |
| 05:01.19 | t35t0r | abydos, which is what's in this a7v600 |
| 05:01.38 | alopa | hello has anyone had luck installing an emulex lp8000 fiber channel hba onto a debian machine? |
| 05:01.38 | abydos | t35t0r: I would start out searching in the sound stuff, it's likely related to the via82cxxx driver |
| 05:01.54 | abydos | t35t0r: and for the record, I totally agree |
| 05:02.04 | t35t0r | abydos, heheh thanx |
| 05:02.27 | abydos | t35t0r: so 2.6.8.1 is the last one that works? |
| 05:02.35 | t35t0r | abydos, yes |
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| 05:02.44 | t35t0r | i tried everything up to 2.6.11-rc1 |
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| 05:02.48 | abydos | hang on, let me check out the changelog |
| 05:02.58 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: The best solution I've found so far is apt-get dist upgrade which only wants to remove one package (which isn't the broken one according to aptitude). I have no problem with this but I have only seen this occur a couple of times and was wanting to understand it in more detail. |
| 05:03.23 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: s/dist upgrade/dist-upgrade/ |
| 05:03.52 | abydos | t35t0r: did you try booting with the noapic kernel option? |
| 05:04.23 | abydos | That is known to break a lot of stuff on my system, basically all VIA stuff, but it's usually related to IDE controller |
| 05:04.28 | abydos | such as lost interrupts |
| 05:04.41 | alopa | or can I get a recommendation for a good fiber channel card that has current support? |
| 05:04.56 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: it's not that a package is broken, it's just that a non-trivial action is required to upgrade. |
| 05:05.05 | t35t0r | abydos, i'll try that and i'll also take out the 96000khz option on the modprobe |
| 05:05.09 | abydos | t35t0r: what model motherboard was it? |
| 05:05.17 | t35t0r | abydos, a7v600 v1008 bios |
| 05:05.24 | t35t0r | abydos, asus a7v600 |
| 05:05.36 | abydos | thx |
| 05:05.40 | abydos | I'm reading the changelod |
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| 05:05.54 | t35t0r | brb rebooting |
| 05:06.12 | abydos | - use snd_pcm_limit_hw_rates() and removed redundant codes. |
| 05:06.12 | abydos | - fixed the rate constraints when 'IEC958 Output Switch' is on. |
| 05:06.12 | abydos | - check the SPDIF support on AC97 and don't build IEC958 stuffs if not available. |
| 05:06.22 | abydos | added the DXS entry for Mitac/Vobis/Yakumo laptop. |
| 05:06.48 | abydos | that's the entire changes to the via82xx module between 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.9 |
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| 05:08.05 | spoofer | is there a way to create a file like /etc/shadow to test password using john? |
| 05:08.17 | gonzo | Hi, what's official place for kernel source? (I am trying to complie stuffs for nvidia driver...) |
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| 05:08.33 | spoofer | gonzo: apt-cache search kernel-sourcee |
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| 05:08.40 | abydos | godsmoke: kernel.org |
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| 05:09.04 | abydos | erm |
| 05:09.08 | abydos | gonzo: kernel.org |
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| 05:09.31 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: Well, aptitude says the kdelibs4 is broken and lists several packages with which it conflicts, yet apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't seem to have a problem with it as it wants to go ahead and upgrade the package anyway (although apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove libmimelib1 for some reason). |
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| 05:10.48 | gonzo | actually I have 2.6.7 kernel and nvidia driver is asking for hernel headers. which package do I need? (I am assuming unpacking one of the kernel package at right place will do the trick....) |
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| 05:11.56 | abydos | gonzo: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 05:12.11 | dondelelcaro | gonzo: you'll need kernel-headers-$(uname -r) typically. |
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| 05:12.19 | abydos | oh, or that |
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| 05:13.02 | ionrock | would anyone know why I can search and find java-package on the debian site but I can't get it through apt? (and yes I did a apt-get update and tried different mirrors) |
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| 05:13.17 | abydos | ionrock: /msg dpkg java |
| 05:13.27 | abydos | !tell ionrock about java |
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| 05:13.34 | ionrock | abydos, thanks |
| 05:14.04 | gonzo | dondelelcaro : backports.org does not have kernel-head-2.6.7 pkg.... so I got the whole source pkg.... which does not seem to be helping.... |
| 05:14.17 | jariep1_ | can somebody tell me where I can find some information like a HOWTO for setting up cdrecord under debian? |
| 05:14.17 | alopa | gonzo did you compile your own kernel or is it a package? |
| 05:14.26 | dondelelcaro | gonzo: you'll have to poin thte nvidia driver at the headers, typically /path/to/kernel/sourcepkg/includes |
| 05:14.26 | abydos | what are you doing with a 2.6 kernel on woody? |
| 05:14.34 | dondelelcaro | s/des/de/ |
| 05:14.42 | gonzo | alopa: it's pre-packaged one in backports.org |
| 05:14.50 | ionrock | so even though java-package is just for creating a java .deb it is not included on the repos? |
| 05:14.51 | lightcap | If I want to change a configure option on a .deb, for example change the data directory for backuppc, how do I do so? I've tried dpkg-reconfigure, but it never gives me an option to set the data directory |
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| 05:15.18 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: if it's something that the package prompts you with, dpkg-reconfigure packagename; will typically work. |
| 05:15.21 | spoofer | is there a way to create a file like /etc/shadow to test password using john? |
| 05:15.34 | lightcap | dondelelcaro that's the issue. It never prompts |
| 05:15.37 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: otherwise, you're better off just modifying the config file. |
| 05:15.37 | gonzo | abydos: I have 400 gig hdd |
| 05:16.17 | gonzo | stock woody does not support such big hdd.... |
| 05:16.30 | lightcap | dondelelcaro I'm pretty sure this particular config option isn't in the config file (at least not the one I know of anyhow) I can't figure out where the hell its set |
| 05:16.34 | abydos | gonzo: what are you doing running woody in these days and times? |
| 05:16.49 | dondelelcaro | abydos: there's nothing wrong with running woody. |
| 05:17.10 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: which package is this? |
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| 05:17.31 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: I guess its somewhat difficult to troubleshoot such a problem remotely but do you think that I can trust that apt-get dist-upgrade will not break something if I allow it to do what it wants? |
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| 05:17.52 | lightcap | backuppc |
| 05:17.58 | dondelelcaro | mlewis00: if it doesn't want to remove your entire system, it's probably ok. |
| 05:18.01 | WiFiTux | mlewis00, everyone does it. |
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| 05:18.21 | abydos | t35t0r: did it help? |
| 05:18.21 | mlewis00 | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 05:18.27 | lightcap | dondelelcaro thought I'd give it a spin before trying bacula (though at this rate I'll just go back to amanda :) |
| 05:19.01 | gonzo | abydos: trying to upgrade woody seems to be less work than trying to get around sarge brokeness. besides all the docs assuming woody if it's updated at all |
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| 05:19.52 | bur[n]er | anyone know how to edit the kde menu? if i use the kde menu editor, the changes i make just get reversed to what i had before |
| 05:19.56 | abydos | gonzo: ah, I guess that's a valid excuse :) |
| 05:20.01 | bur[n]er | is there a system wide menu-editor? |
| 05:20.09 | zignig | bur[n]er: vi. |
| 05:20.16 | abydos | bur[n]er: I assume you mean besides viw |
| 05:20.22 | deadcat | bur[n]er: try gdm maybe |
| 05:20.28 | abydos | bur[n]er: s/viw/vim |
| 05:20.36 | bur[n]er | gdm? that's a login screen |
| 05:20.37 | larrikin | so people actually use kde ? |
| 05:20.43 | abydos | deadcat: ... where the hell did that come from? |
| 05:20.51 | bur[n]er | abydos: what file? |
| 05:20.51 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:21.00 | abydos | larrikin: quite, it's very useful |
| 05:21.07 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: it looks like it's totally web based, and you need to have an alias for it using apache. |
| 05:21.08 | abydos | bur[n]er: actually, I could have told you till you asked |
| 05:21.48 | alopa | gonzo can you enter the source directory and issue make-kpkg kernel-headers? |
| 05:21.48 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: the /etc/backuppc/apache.conf file should just be Included from your main apache configuration. |
| 05:21.52 | abydos | I think it lives in /var/lib/desktop-directories/menu-xdg, but I could be wrong |
| 05:22.02 | Guerin | bur[n]er: /etc/gdm/gdm.conmf is the gdm config file |
| 05:22.24 | bur[n]er | Guerin: not what i'm looking for ;) |
| 05:22.28 | abydos | erm, actually |
| 05:22.30 | Guerin | bur[n]er: /etc/kde3/kdm/* are the kdm ones |
| 05:22.32 | bur[n]er | i'm lookin for the menu |
| 05:22.38 | abydos | /var/lib/menu-xdg/menus |
| 05:22.39 | Guerin | bur[n]er: sorry, just reading scrollback |
| 05:22.47 | bur[n]er | no worries... thanks anyway |
| 05:22.48 | bur[n]er | :) |
| 05:22.49 | abydos | and it's XML, methinks |
| 05:23.05 | abydos | correct me if I'm wrong |
| 05:23.09 | abydos | someone |
| 05:23.12 | abydos | going once |
| 05:23.13 | abydos | twice |
| 05:23.21 | drac | sold |
| 05:23.27 | Guerin | ah, the kde menu |
| 05:23.28 | abydos | hoorah |
| 05:23.30 | Guerin | i am stupid |
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| 05:23.53 | bur[n]er | abydos: it's xml... but i see debian-menu, kde-menu, xfce-menu... is debian-menu just appended into the kde-menu and xfce-menu? |
| 05:23.54 | t35t0r | abydos, i fixed the problem but i found another problem |
| 05:24.07 | k-man | i have this weird problem where if i access my adsl modem's ip address from inside my network, it does not do port forwarding, but if i access it from outside the network, it correctly does the port forwarding. is that expected behavoiour of an adsl modem router? |
| 05:24.10 | abydos | t35t0r: ... wow, isn't that life? |
| 05:24.15 | t35t0r | abydos, hehe |
| 05:24.21 | abydos | bur[n]er: All I have is debian-menu.menu |
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| 05:24.47 | bur[n]er | actually... i don't have kde-menu... i have applications.menu and xfce.menu though |
| 05:24.54 | bur[n]er | oh well, i'll figure it out ;) i'm in the right area now |
| 05:24.56 | bur[n]er | thanks abydos |
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| 05:26.01 | hairy_potter | Ugly_Duck: i, for a second, read your nick as 'ugly dick' |
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| 05:26.17 | pinion_ | Hi |
| 05:26.24 | WiFiTux | hairy_potter, that's what I still read |
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| 05:26.33 | mlewis00 | I forgot how to list the packages that depend upon a specific package... |
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| 05:26.51 | hairy_potter | WiFiTux: you are a pervert |
| 05:26.53 | hairy_potter | ;) |
| 05:26.55 | alopa | quit |
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| 05:27.00 | hairy_potter | alopa: sorry |
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| 05:27.32 | btsdev | what calendar application do you guys suggest? |
| 05:27.32 | edward_ | I am trying to tail a logfile and if a string passes by I need I then want to fire a command.. who canhelp me with a sample script... ? |
| 05:27.42 | lightcap | dondelelcaro I'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that I can't change the default dir, care to explain? |
| 05:28.01 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: the default directory for the backups? or what? |
| 05:28.24 | lightcap | dondelelcaro yeah, there's not a way to set that via the web interface either... |
| 05:28.44 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: none of that part of the configuration is done in the debian package at all... it's all done using configuration files or whatever mangled things this package uses. |
| 05:29.10 | Whistleboy | anyone know a workaround for an epson ppd that will not ugrade successfully? It says to upgrade it manually, but I can't see how to do that |
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| 05:29.26 | lightcap | dondelelcaro hmm. can't seem to find the damn setting in *any* of the config files (they're all perl, so easily searchable...) |
| 05:29.33 | hairy_potter | edward_: cat file | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) { if (/string_that_i_want/) { system("fire something"); } }' |
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| 05:29.50 | mlewis00 | Nevermind... |
| 05:29.52 | lightcap | dondelelcaro and the make file isn't kicked off by the configure process? |
| 05:29.57 | hairy_potter | edward_: s/cat/tail/ |
| 05:30.20 | lightcap | dondelelcaro er, it's getting late...I meant make isn't kicked off... |
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| 05:31.21 | btsdev | what calendar application do you guys suggest? |
| 05:31.30 | abydos | Evolution |
| 05:31.34 | deadcat | btsdev: cli or gui? |
| 05:31.38 | TheStar | What are the various ways people backup their computers (excluding the data) |
| 05:31.38 | abydos | Ximian evolution |
| 05:31.39 | btsdev | gui |
| 05:31.46 | TheStar | I mean, /etc, /var, /usr, and /opt, etc. |
| 05:31.46 | deadcat | btsdev: i use gdeskcal |
| 05:31.55 | btsdev | hmm ok |
| 05:31.56 | btsdev | thanks |
| 05:32.01 | abydos | TheStar: there are many ways |
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| 05:32.07 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: $Conf{ArchiveDest} = '/tmp'; that's what you want to set. |
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| 05:32.15 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: at least, if I understand what you're asking for, anyway. |
| 05:32.25 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: it's in config.pl, wherever that gets stuck. |
| 05:32.48 | abydos | gah, stupid ESD |
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| 05:33.55 | fragment | Hey, any xauth gurus here? |
| 05:33.58 | lightcap | dondelelcaro that would make sense...but it's not in mine...wierd... |
| 05:34.09 | deadcat | fragment: nope |
| 05:34.12 | lightcap | dondelelcaro I'll keep digging, thanks. |
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| 05:34.23 | wntd | I love PHP |
| 05:34.29 | wntd | I was trying to test if |
| 05:34.30 | fragment | I'm having a problem with X11 forwarding on Debian GNU Hurd. |
| 05:34.43 | fragment | ...and it looks like an xauth issue. |
| 05:34.44 | wntd | $foo->bar < 10 |
| 05:34.45 | deadcat | fragment: over ssh? |
| 05:34.49 | fragment | yup |
| 05:35.00 | dodgyville | How can I tell what screen mode xserver is actually running? |
| 05:35.09 | deadcat | fragment: all you need is enable it on the server and ssh -X to it |
| 05:35.17 | t35t0r | dodgyville, look at the log |
| 05:35.22 | t35t0r | xdpyinfo ? |
| 05:35.28 | deadcat | dodgyville: echo $DISPLAY? |
| 05:35.28 | wntd | but it was supposed to be $foo->bars so instead of complaining that I was using a nonexistant variable it was evaluated to false god I love that |
| 05:35.44 | t35t0r | abydos, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78327 |
| 05:35.49 | fragment | deadcat: Yep, I'm used to it, but it doesn't work on Hurd. No DISPLAY set. No ~/.Xauthority. |
| 05:35.49 | Guerin | fragment: you might have more luck in #hurd than in here - I don't know any of the regulars in here who run hurd day-to-day. |
| 05:36.06 | abydos | is there a way to get gnome to connect to a remote cups server? |
| 05:36.10 | edward_ | hairy_potter, tnx, till try it |
| 05:36.18 | fragment | I was in there earlier, but I think we're all Pacific time zone. |
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| 05:36.32 | goodshit | Hi, anyone know how to resume download using http?? instead of ftp? I'm using IE and it doesn't resume download. I'm running apache. Is there some special setting i need in aapche? can someone tell me how to get resume work on http download? |
| 05:36.46 | fragment | I've been reading about the ties between ssh and xauth, and I'm looking for some tips on debugging either. |
| 05:36.56 | Guerin | goodshit: it should be client-side. |
| 05:36.58 | deadcat | goodshit: wrong channel |
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| 05:37.02 | Guerin | goodshit: use a real client |
| 05:37.16 | goodshit | u sure?? |
| 05:37.20 | goodshit | i'musing flashfxp |
| 05:37.20 | deadcat | yes |
| 05:37.23 | goodshit | does that work?? |
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| 05:37.29 | fragment | It *looks* like xauth never gets run, or that it breaks and doesn't report the error correctly. 'xauth list' claims to create an .Xauthority but never does. |
| 05:37.30 | rafx | lol, nice nick goodshit |
| 05:37.31 | Guerin | !htfsw |
| 05:37.33 | spo0nman | anyone knows about kde light? was it only an idea or there was work? |
| 05:37.36 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 05:37.37 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 05:37.49 | abydos | t35t0r: I'm having troubles, my KDE died and \somehow\ managed to take the entire system down with it |
| 05:37.54 | abydos | so I switched to gnome |
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| 05:38.13 | Guerin | goodshit: we neither know nor give a fat-faced flying fistfuck about shitty windows software like ffxp and ie |
| 05:38.13 | abydos | and I'm having 2 questions with gnome |
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| 05:38.27 | t35t0r | abydos, errr |
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| 05:38.36 | lightcap | dondelelcaro where does dpkg unpack to? |
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| 05:38.36 | abydos | one, does it support jackd sound output, and 2, does it support connecting to a remote cups server |
| 05:39.02 | t35t0r | abydos, jackd have no clue, remote cups server ..yes why not |
| 05:39.03 | dondelelcaro | lightcap: /tmp, then it copies the files over, iirc. |
| 05:39.14 | goodshit | thx |
| 05:39.16 | abydos | KDE can, but I can't find the setting anywhere |
| 05:39.23 | lightcap | dondelelcaro thankx |
| 05:39.25 | Guerin | there was a garage band in NZ called goodshit - they got famous and changed their name to goodshirt |
| 05:39.39 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: typical sellouts. |
| 05:39.40 | fragment | abydos: CUPS is not at the desktop level, usually, other than printer creation. Remote CUPS server is usually handled daemon to daemon. |
| 05:39.49 | goodshit | so |
| 05:39.50 | rafx | Guerin: thats badshit |
| 05:39.50 | goodshit | its the client side |
| 05:39.53 | abydos | uhh |
| 05:40.07 | abydos | Kprint can connect to a remote cups server and manage printers on that server |
| 05:40.11 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: not as bad as one of the best NZ rock bands ever -Shihad - who changed their name to Pacifier for the american market in the wake of 9/11 |
| 05:40.14 | abydos | I want to do that with gnome |
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| 05:40.25 | fragment | abydos: So can firefox. |
| 05:40.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh |
| 05:40.39 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ... and just recently changed it back because they decided they were sick of making boring over-produced LA-rock |
| 05:40.53 | abydos | fragment: what I'm asking is how the heck you do it |
| 05:40.55 | fragment | abydos: *usually* the host owner configures the printer, and CUPS browsepolling handles configuration for any associated clients. |
| 05:40.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: didn't these people learn anything from Ice Cube? There's no such thing as bad publicity. |
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| 05:41.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:41.05 | hairy_potter | btw, guys, I'm planning to setup a "mirror" music system at the rear of my house. This means I will only use one computer to play the music, but I want the sound to be heard in both of the music systems (one is very far away). Now, I dont want to run a long cable. |
| 05:41.13 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: what happen to ice cube? |
| 05:41.19 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: he becaome an actor |
| 05:41.21 | abydos | ... that ... doesn't make sense to me... |
| 05:41.22 | hairy_potter | one way is to hack a wireless headphone and connect it to the other music system |
| 05:41.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: thats it? |
| 05:41.36 | Guerin | hairy_potter: fm radio? |
| 05:41.40 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh.. i thought you meant ice T. |
| 05:41.42 | deadcat | bah |
| 05:41.47 | deadcat | damn too many ice |
| 05:41.50 | Guerin | hairy_potter: you can broadcast from one end to the other :) |
| 05:42.02 | hairy_potter | Guerin: yes! thats exactly what I want. but how? |
| 05:42.04 | Guerin | deadcat: don't forget about vanilla |
| 05:42.16 | abydos | I don't want to run a freaking cupsd on each and every machine I own |
| 05:42.22 | abydos | I want one cupsd, on the printer server |
| 05:42.27 | abydos | I should be able to do that |
| 05:42.33 | hairy_potter | Guerin: i found some stuff on the net but they all seem to have a bad review. |
| 05:42.37 | deadcat | Guerin: HAHAHAH. |
| 05:42.46 | deadcat | Guerin: word to your mother |
| 05:42.57 | Guerin | hairy_potter: output the music from your computer in analogue form to a fm transmitter which you can buy from $local_electronics_shop would be my plan. |
| 05:43.03 | fragment | abydos: you really should. It's insanely better that way, but you can always configure the CUPS client to point to a single server. |
| 05:43.17 | Guerin | hairy_potter: it's supposedly quite trivial to do. |
| 05:43.19 | hairy_potter | Guerin: i heard these FM trasmitters use the 900KHz range |
| 05:43.29 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: ah, my bad... I did mean Ice T. Can't keep them straight. |
| 05:43.31 | Guerin | hairy_potter: no idea of those sorts of specs, sorry. |
| 05:43.36 | hairy_potter | ok |
| 05:43.38 | hairy_potter | so its possible? |
| 05:43.58 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: think they both act though. |
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| 05:44.05 | fragment | abydos: multiple cupsd can exchange info so you only have to configure the queues on the "server" and the clients auto-update. |
| 05:44.13 | floppyears | does anybody here know how to use the debian menu generator ? |
| 05:44.17 | Guerin | hairy_potter: oh, for sure. Some ipods can broadcast fm; the guy on /. who build his own mp3 player in a mint can made his do it, too. |
| 05:44.28 | hairy_potter | nice |
| 05:44.47 | deadcat | floppyears: type "menu" |
| 05:44.48 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, you just plug in an iTrip or something that does it. |
| 05:44.50 | abydos | fragment: yes, but it's simpler in my setup to run 1 cupsd, and kprint supported it, why the hell doesn't gnome |
| 05:45.22 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: iDon'tknowwhatthatis |
| 05:45.26 | fragment | abydos: It might. I'm just giving you my suggestion. |
| 05:45.28 | dondelelcaro | from 88-108MHz or something... |
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| 05:46.06 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: http://www.macguardians.de/upload/wp-itrip-iTrip_gedreht.jpg <- this thingiemabober |
| 05:46.49 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ah yeah. i bet you could buy one from DSE/radio shack/wherever for better/cheaper |
| 05:47.04 | Guerin | and then you wouldn't have to give money to apple |
| 05:47.34 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: oh, they're other ones for the ipod that do it... they're just not as well integrated. [If you weren't using it on an ipod, you want something totally different] |
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| 05:48.30 | Guerin | hairy_potter: http://web.media.mit.edu/~ladyada/make/minty/hardware.html |
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| 05:48.37 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, f'sure. |
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| 05:49.43 | abydos | och, I want a darker nuvola theme for gnome |
| 05:49.49 | abydos | all this white is horrid |
| 05:50.08 | bur[n]er | that's why kde pissed me off for years |
| 05:50.12 | bur[n]er | always so bright |
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| 05:50.19 | abydos | my KDE is not bright |
| 05:50.22 | bur[n]er | crystal still irks me |
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| 05:50.32 | abydos | it looks rather Aqua-ish, but it's anything but bright |
| 05:50.33 | bur[n]er | i just haven't found a good icon set for kde |
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| 05:50.46 | krenin | hello |
| 05:51.09 | martok | Hello |
| 05:51.09 | hairy_potter | Guerin: this is too much for my electronics skills :) |
| 05:51.15 | hairy_potter | Guerin: thanks for the link though. |
| 05:51.24 | Guerin | hairy_potter: yeah, mine too. |
| 05:51.47 | Guerin | abydos: just use ratpoison |
| 05:51.52 | Guerin | it's goood for the soul |
| 05:52.10 | toresbe | gnüüüh |
| 05:52.13 | toresbe | good morning |
| 05:52.22 | hairy_potter | toresbe: good morning |
| 05:52.24 | Guerin | good afternoon |
| 05:52.45 | ionrock | has anyone succesfully gone through this tutorial on install java? http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php |
| 05:52.52 | rafx | i've used linux on/off since kernel < 1.0 but never tried kde or gnome yet. am i the only one? |
| 05:53.06 | hairy_potter | rafx: probably not |
| 05:53.08 | toresbe | hairy_potter: Hey, you've been away for quite a while |
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| 05:53.28 | hairy_potter | toresbe: yeah, work demands my time ;/ |
| 05:54.09 | toresbe | hairy_potter: bummer. What ya working on? |
| 05:54.39 | hairy_potter | toresbe: work. |
| 05:54.52 | hairy_potter | toresbe: random "highly confidential" work. heh. :P |
| 05:54.59 | toresbe | hairy_potter: Aha. |
| 05:55.12 | hairy_potter | toresbe: hows your old computer in your university? |
| 05:55.23 | toresbe | hairy_potter: Still strikingly old. :P |
| 05:55.26 | hairy_potter | s/computer/machine/ |
| 05:55.28 | hairy_potter | nice |
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| 05:55.44 | hairy_potter | toresbe: can you give me the link to the pics of that machine? |
| 05:55.46 | toresbe | hairy_potter: But it doesn't seem willing to work right away :P |
| 05:55.53 | hairy_potter | oh |
| 05:55.59 | toresbe | hairy_potter: They're down atm |
| 05:56.13 | hairy_potter | toresbe: whats down? machine? site hosting the pics? |
| 05:56.20 | toresbe | hairy_potter: That's my project for today! Making a webpage. |
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| 05:56.24 | toresbe | hairy_potter: both :) |
| 05:56.26 | RobNyc | Anyone here uses apt-build? |
| 05:56.41 | hairy_potter | toresbe: heh. ok. :) |
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| 05:56.48 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 05:56.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:56.58 | RobNyc | why |
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| 05:57.05 | abydos | wow, this is almost too dark |
| 05:57.08 | toresbe | RobNyc: Just ask the question :) |
| 05:57.11 | abydos | DeepBlue for gtk |
| 05:57.14 | abydos | too freaking dark |
| 05:57.29 | RobNyc | toresbe, if anyone here uses apt-build ? |
| 05:57.33 | dodgyville | My desktop size is at 1024x768 but the screen's resolution seems to be a 800x600, but that's seems impossible because ibook2 LCD screen is 1024x768 |
| 05:57.48 | toresbe | RobNyc: Well, do you have a question about it? |
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| 05:58.04 | RobNyc | toresbe, just want to hear the opinions about it and stuff |
| 05:58.20 | RobNyc | After I read about apt-build it seem now I don't need to use no gentoo so called compiling makes it faster |
| 05:58.22 | toresbe | RobNyc: okay, then ask what their experience with it is :P |
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| 05:59.07 | RobNyc | sure |
| 05:59.16 | toresbe | RobNyc: Well, compiling from source isn't faster. :) |
| 05:59.35 | hairy_potter | !gentoo |
| 05:59.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 05:59.42 | toresbe | RobNyc: I did some nonscientific benchmarks - it's just not worth it at all |
| 05:59.52 | hairy_potter | RobNyc: ^^^ |
| 05:59.54 | RobNyc | really what were there difference? |
| 06:00.07 | Lambo | does anyone know any good tools that check the security of the server? |
| 06:00.13 | grepper | anyone using a radeon 7500 notice a huge improvement in glxgears framerates with a recent xfree upgrade ? |
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| 06:00.40 | zignig | grepper: 2x2 pixels ? |
| 06:00.44 | RobNyc | hairy_potter, why hairy lol |
| 06:00.45 | grepper | mine went from ~600 to ~1000 fps |
| 06:00.49 | grepper | heh |
| 06:01.23 | abydos | ahh, a dark nuvola-based theme |
| 06:01.26 | abydos | leech |
| 06:01.40 | toresbe | RobNyc: It just took a hell of a lot of time to compile it :) I think the number I arrived at was that I had to start GNOME 120000 times before compiling it paid off :) |
| 06:02.30 | zignig | toresbe: wow , all power to those gentooers, although I've always wanted to compile the entire of debian from scratch. |
| 06:02.47 | zignig | toresbe: although you'd want a s390 or a cluster of machines to do it. |
| 06:02.47 | RobNyc | toresbe, my friend was telling me he uses gentoo because of its package management that nothing equals it not even apt-get he says |
| 06:02.58 | mlewis00 | RobNyc: I noticed a significant increase in performance with KDE after I apt-build installed it but whether it would be worth building every upgrade would be something you would have to decide for yourself. |
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| 06:03.18 | grepper | mlewis00: yes, its the USELESS flags that make it better :P |
| 06:03.25 | RobNyc | mlewis00, thanks |
| 06:03.36 | mlewis00 | greenfly: What do you mean? |
| 06:03.40 | RobNyc | I'm thinking about doing apt-build whenever Im gonna be away for a long time or something |
| 06:03.51 | stew | there is always apt-gentoo |
| 06:03.59 | toresbe | stew: Oh, be nice :) |
| 06:04.00 | mlewis00 | grepper: What do you mean? |
| 06:04.02 | stew | :) |
| 06:04.03 | grepper | not worth it |
| 06:04.13 | grepper | mlewis00: "USE" flags |
| 06:04.21 | mlewis00 | greenfly: Sorry, meant for grepper :) |
| 06:04.48 | stew | !apt-gentoo |
| 06:04.48 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040331.230648.aa390e61.html |
| 06:05.01 | grepper | hehe |
| 06:05.02 | mlewis00 | grepper: Still don't understand what you mean :( |
| 06:05.16 | grepper | mlewis00: see the url above: http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 06:05.26 | toresbe | RobNyc: The only package I build from source is Mplayer. But that is because it's a program that is likely to do floating and heavy number crunching and my K6-II has some extra instructions to do that stuff and the binary package is moronic |
| 06:05.51 | toresbe | RobNyc: The maintainer built the k6 package for 386 |
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| 06:06.01 | RobNyc | toresbe, I heard mplayer wasnt on debian repo |
| 06:06.06 | flow_ | Hello @ all! |
| 06:06.10 | toresbe | RobNyc: No, but there is an external source |
| 06:06.14 | toresbe | hello @ flow! |
| 06:06.16 | stew | i actually complied myth for the same reasons and actually got some improvement, but not a lot |
| 06:06.17 | Nurbs | !marillat |
| 06:06.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 06:06.30 | Nurbs | ^ mplayer, besides others. |
| 06:07.21 | mlewis00 | grepper: Oh, I haven't used Gentoo so didn't know what you meant, although I can see some benefit to useing apt-build in Debian to increase performance. |
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| 06:07.39 | mlewis00 | grepper: s/useing/using/ |
| 06:07.50 | grepper | mlewis00: I can't |
| 06:07.54 | flow_ | Q bout WebDAV : why do I get 403 response when trying to lock via WebDAV on Debian (testing) |
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| 06:07.59 | toresbe | I've tried Gentoo for two weeks - it suuuucked :P |
| 06:08.11 | stew | !marillat =~ s/reasons/reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular/ |
| 06:08.11 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 06:08.37 | toresbe | I went crying back to Debian when my promise of two weeks was over |
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| 06:09.07 | flow_ | toresbe : gentoo IS a Debian ... or did I miss something? |
| 06:09.23 | stew | flow_: uhh, you might have missed something |
| 06:09.23 | toresbe | flow_: Whoa, you missed a *whole* lot :D |
| 06:09.25 | hanoi_pm | I have a very big file, I copied it to another host and then modify the original one a little, can rsync sync them? if not, is there any tool that can do it? |
| 06:09.29 | mlewis00 | grepper: Performance increase, unless the package is already available for your architecture...then I can't either. |
| 06:09.43 | stew | hanoi_pm: diff/patch? |
| 06:09.55 | grepper | I really doubt you see much benifit |
| 06:10.03 | toresbe | stew: He doesn't have the original |
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| 06:10.12 | grepper | I tried gentoo compiled for my arch and saw no diff at all |
| 06:10.13 | stew | oh |
| 06:10.18 | toresbe | Besides, package maintainers all compåile -O3 |
| 06:10.35 | grepper | eh ? |
| 06:10.35 | TheStar_ | Man, what a Day! |
| 06:10.36 | toresbe | s/å// |
| 06:10.36 | hanoi_pm | stew: it's binary, can diff work? And I since the file is big, I don't keep the old version to diff |
| 06:10.59 | TheStar_ | With this paster... Wouldn't it be advantagious to have a chat log and a forum? |
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| 06:11.06 | stew | toresbe: -02 is much more common |
| 06:11.08 | Xenguy | toresbe: you seem to be throwing weird characters |
| 06:11.08 | rafx | does noatime make a noticable difference in performance? |
| 06:11.21 | toresbe | Xenguy: It was my finger who threw it |
| 06:11.30 | Xenguy | toresbe: mmm |
| 06:11.30 | stew | hanoi_pm: then forget diff. i dunno about rsync, at worst it will be the same as scp |
| 06:11.34 | toresbe | Xenguy: i just woke up about 7 minutes ago, not out of bed |
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| 06:11.40 | Xemacs_ | Is there a GUI to subversion ? |
| 06:11.41 | toresbe | stew: Huh? Why? |
| 06:11.41 | TheStar_ | rsync is incredibly efficient. |
| 06:11.46 | Xenguy | toresbe: drink some coffee =) |
| 06:11.46 | TheStar_ | Xemacs_: Heaps. |
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| 06:12.00 | Xemacs_ | TheLaw, thankyou |
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| 06:12.03 | toresbe | Xenguy: But, but, but then I'd have to get out of beed.... |
| 06:12.05 | TheStar_ | Xemacs_: TheLaw? :) |
| 06:12.09 | hanoi_pm | TheStar_: can rsync sync 2 big files which almost like the other? |
| 06:12.12 | mlewis00 | grepper: Did you try a benchmark program that measures specific areas of performance or are you just going by your impression? |
| 06:12.13 | raghu | any one with apache well known? |
| 06:12.17 | Xemacs_ | TheStar, you also |
| 06:12.18 | interalia | hanoi_pm: that's what it's for. |
| 06:12.19 | rafx | Xemacs_: /j #svn |
| 06:12.19 | Xenguy | toresbe: get yer girlfriend to help :-) |
| 06:12.23 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: afaik, it divides the files into chunks. |
| 06:12.28 | grepper | stew: I wouldn't think -02 is common at all :) |
| 06:12.41 | hanoi_pm | TheStar_, interalia: thank you :) |
| 06:13.03 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: However, I found that scp is *the* most reliable in terms of large files. |
| 06:13.07 | flowtron | What do I need to be able to do LOCKing via WebDAV from my box? |
| 06:13.22 | hanoi_pm | TheStar_: I'm using scp but it's too slow for big files |
| 06:13.31 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: How big is "big"? |
| 06:13.41 | hanoi_pm | 300MB |
| 06:13.44 | Guerin | rsync > * |
| 06:13.46 | TheStar_ | Pfft. |
| 06:13.52 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: Just use rsync, then :) |
| 06:13.52 | Guerin | 300mb ain't big |
| 06:13.53 | stew | hanoi_pm: yeah, rsync claims it won't send the entire file: /usr/share/doc/rsync/tech_report.tex.gz |
| 06:14.03 | hanoi_pm | thank you very much :) |
| 06:14.04 | deadcat | 300mb is NOTHING |
| 06:14.08 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: I was thinking 4 gig, even. |
| 06:14.20 | hanoi_pm | deadcat: 300MB over ADSLs is something :) |
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| 06:14.26 | Guerin | now 300T, that's a big file |
| 06:14.30 | deadcat | hanoi_pm: little bit (= |
| 06:14.36 | TheStar_ | Guerin: All one file? |
| 06:14.45 | TheStar_ | Guerin: Please tell me it's a disk image! |
| 06:14.59 | TheStar_ | *T |
| 06:15.25 | bob2 | it's -O2 |
| 06:15.32 | bob2 | -O3 just makes things bigger and slower |
| 06:15.35 | gravity | Like the oxygen network |
| 06:15.42 | flowtron | Message Repeat : What do I need to be able to do LOCKing via WebDAV from my box? |
| 06:15.48 | TheStar_ | I tend to like Os |
| 06:15.52 | TheStar_ | -Os, that is. |
| 06:16.01 | grepper | bob2: that was my point :) |
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| 06:16.15 | bob2 | -Os can make things faster by reducing cache misses |
| 06:16.30 | TheStar_ | grepper: Did you learn linux "on the job", or as per your hobby, or? |
| 06:16.57 | stew | toresbe: i just looked at the 20 or so source packages i have on my machine and did find . -path "*debian/rules" | xargs grep "\-O" and -O2 was the only i saw |
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| 06:17.29 | grepper | TheStar_: hobby |
| 06:17.31 | stew | actually there was a -O0 |
| 06:17.45 | peterS | stew: probably conditionally checking the 'noopt' DEB_BUILD_FLAGS flag |
| 06:17.50 | toresbe | I asked in devel and they said it's -O2 because -O3 can make things bigger and slower and provoke compiler bugs on more esoteric platforms |
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| 06:18.12 | flowtron | Why is the response to a WebDAV LOCK request 403 for my box? |
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| 06:18.42 | bob2 | some things build with -O0 because gcc with higher optimisation levels is fucked outside i386 |
| 06:19.18 | Nurbs | and sometimes inside, i386, too |
| 06:19.19 | blackmariah | WTF? |
| 06:19.36 | raghu | i have debian...printer gets paused now and then why....any idea? |
| 06:19.40 | blackmariah | Okay, one of my hard drives has disappeared. |
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| 06:19.52 | Nwallins | installing sarge netinst.. except my wireless adapter (D-link 122, USB) wasn't recognized. Under windows, I downloaded linux-wlan-ng and put that package on a FAT32 partition. I don't know how to mount the partition to install the package. |
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| 06:20.39 | bob2 | 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' |
| 06:20.43 | bob2 | assuming it's on hda |
| 06:20.48 | TheStar_ | grepper: Cool :) |
| 06:20.49 | stew | or just fdisk -l |
| 06:20.54 | TheStar_ | grepper: What do you use at work? |
| 06:20.57 | bob2 | then 'mount -t vfat /dev/whatyoufound /mnt' |
| 06:21.05 | raghu | i have debian...printer gets paused now and then why....any idea?....i am running cups in local machine |
| 06:21.07 | nvz | peterS: was it you who said that :) was the right way to do a smily? |
| 06:21.10 | Nwallins | hda is the primary debian partition, XFS |
| 06:21.11 | Nwallins | i think |
| 06:21.16 | grepper | TheStar_: a squash racquet or tennis racquet :) |
| 06:21.24 | TheStar_ | grepper: Even better :) |
| 06:21.31 | grepper | actually they use Novell/windows |
| 06:21.36 | peterS | nvz: I'm the one who said (: is the right way |
| 06:21.37 | TheStar_ | grepper: A linux expert who excercises! |
| 06:21.44 | grepper | maybe Novell will switch them over to linux someday |
| 06:21.59 | nvz | peterS: heh, right.. I said it wrong first time I grepped my logs too |
| 06:22.13 | blackmariah | Okay, I need some help here. One of my hard disks has disappeared. It was set up properly a couple of days ago, and now it's gone. |
| 06:22.19 | blackmariah | *head explodes* |
| 06:22.20 | nvz | peterS: well what says you as to how to stick out your tounge that way :P heh |
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| 06:22.34 | grepper | TheStar_: I don't exercise anymore, I just stand there with the stopwatch and yell :) |
| 06:22.43 | peterS | nvz: the correct way to stick out your tongue is :þ |
| 06:22.56 | nvz | peterS: heh, wtf is that? |
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| 06:22.58 | hanasaki | whats a good filesharing program? like what umm gnutella? and also works over http proxies? whats a good client app for it |
| 06:23.07 | TheStar_ | grepper: :) |
| 06:23.09 | peterS | nvz: if you're not using iso-8859-1 or iso-8859-15, you won't see it properly |
| 06:23.33 | nvz | peterS: oh it looks fine, I just dont know wtf it is |
| 06:23.39 | peterS | nvz: but if you are, you'll see it's a lowercase thorn character. used in old english and similar languages. possibly still used today in icelandic, I forget |
| 06:23.51 | TheStar_ | I have setup my squid proxy to use a parent cache, however only "normal" proxy requests are allowed (ie, only port 3128 is open). Is it possible to use google in such configuration? |
| 06:24.01 | nvz | peterS: if I dont have it in my mental charmap it doesnt matter how its displayed heh |
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| 06:24.18 | mlewis00 | peterS: How do you enter the equivalent of the old <alt>### keystorkes in Linux? |
| 06:24.19 | peterS | nvz: heh. well, it's much better than :P in my opinion |
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| 06:24.35 | TheStar_ | peterS: I seem to see that as two ascii characters... Gotta love "Terminal" for claiming to be unicode. |
| 06:24.35 | nvz | peterS: yeah its not bad, its just not on my keyboard |
| 06:24.36 | peterS | mlewis00: alt-### works |
| 06:24.55 | mlewis00 | peterS: Not in xchat on my system :( |
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| 06:25.03 | peterS | TheStar_: well, if you're using a unicode encoding (probably UTF-8), you won't see :þ correctly |
| 06:25.14 | peterS | TheStar_: I'd have to render the utf-8 version, which is :þ |
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| 06:25.26 | TheStar_ | peterS: That looks *nice* :) |
| 06:25.28 | spo0nman | any recommendations for a light window manager to run openoffice on? i have 90mb ram on a Pentium II 300 mhz? |
| 06:25.39 | peterS | TheStar_: does it look like a smiley with a tongue? if so, you're seeing the right thing |
| 06:25.41 | TheStar_ | spo0nman: You might as well run KDE :) |
| 06:25.46 | TheStar_ | peterS: It sure does :) |
| 06:25.46 | toresbe | spo0nman: I *love* fluxbox |
| 06:25.54 | blackmariah | I had /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb1. Now I have /dev/hda1. Does anyone have any idea where the hell to start troubleshooting this problem? |
| 06:26.09 | mlewis00 | peterS: Nor on the konsole window either... |
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| 06:26.11 | blackmariah | spo0nman: Fluxbox. |
| 06:26.15 | TheStar_ | peterS: But, if you look at it "the other way", I see a face with a hat ;) |
| 06:26.15 | peterS | TheStar_: alternatively there's the uppercase thorn character (I used lowercase before) - :Þ |
| 06:26.16 | spo0nman | ok change of question... its not me who has to run it its my girlfriend so it should be non-techiwe compliant |
| 06:26.28 | ApEtc | spo0nman: fluxbox should be good. I've run in on a 486. Never even dared with OO on it though |
| 06:26.29 | TheStar_ | peterS: That doesn't display. |
| 06:26.30 | blackmariah | Maybe ion if you can work with it. |
| 06:26.36 | peterS | oh well |
| 06:26.44 | idealbsd | How to get subscript xlabel in openoffice.org speedsheet figure? |
| 06:26.51 | TheStar_ | peterS: Perhaps it's because of screen and irssi as well... |
| 06:26.53 | peterS | mlewis00: well, alt-### works on the linux text console. I don't know if there's an equivalent for the X Window System |
| 06:27.11 | peterS | TheStar_: it's odd that you'd see the one and not the other. they're both in the same range of characters |
| 06:27.20 | spo0nman | openoffice should run on a p2 right? the damn thing just wont recognize more ram otherwise i'd put some. |
| 06:27.24 | Stiff | In my console, how do i get an I.E or something similar? |
| 06:27.29 | TheStar_ | peterS: I get: :?^ |
| 06:27.35 | TheStar_ | peterS: Where the caret is highlighted. |
| 06:27.49 | toresbe | spo0nman: My granny runs it on a P233. It is doable. |
| 06:27.52 | peterS | TheStar_: I'm confused. are you saying :Þ looks correct? |
| 06:28.07 | mlewis00 | peterS: You're right :) Wish I could find a way to do it in X, though :( |
| 06:28.18 | blackmariah | Could my missing hard drive have to do with me installing 2.6.10? |
| 06:28.20 | spo0nman | i thought about xfce... |
| 06:28.33 | peterS | mlewis00: well, the ### are only meaningful if you know the numbers in your preferred character set anyway |
| 06:28.37 | toresbe | spo0nman: Fluxbox :P |
| 06:28.48 | TheStar_ | peterS: :? was the non-unicode one, but you also sent :þ, which looks correct (Ugh, doesn't look like it likes cut & paste) |
| 06:28.53 | TheStar_ | Ugh! |
| 06:28.59 | TheStar_ | Doesn't cut&paste. |
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| 06:29.18 | hacim | how can I tell apt to install a specific version (i've got another sources.list entry for version 1.2 of something, and apt-get install says I have the latest, but 1.1 is installed) |
| 06:29.29 | mlewis00 | peterS: True, but I can find that information...I just don't seem to be able to find out how to enter it in any X-windows program. |
| 06:29.38 | spo0nman | toresbe: fluxbox comes with a filebrowser? so that she is able to copy stuff from/to a floppy? without doing a mount? |
| 06:29.56 | blackmariah | no |
| 06:30.12 | toresbe | spo0nman: ... screw you :P |
| 06:30.18 | blackmariah | Flux is a window manager and nothing else. Unless they've done some SERIOUS upgrading I don't know about. |
| 06:30.19 | peterS | mlewis00: you set your keyboard map to one that lets you type some set of characters. the two main ways of entering these is AltGr-x (for various keys x, AltGr is the right side Alt key) or Compose x y (for various combinations x y) |
| 06:30.21 | spo0nman | toresbe: lol. |
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| 06:30.48 | toresbe | spo0nman: I don't see the point, though |
| 06:30.54 | spo0nman | i guess i'd have to roll in a velocity/firefox/thunderbird/OO.org/WM package. |
| 06:31.03 | peterS | mlewis00: so, either get yourself a compose key (my compose is mapped to right-side ctrl, since I don't have Windows logo keys on this keyboard) or pick a keyboard layout that uses AltGr for stuff |
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| 06:31.20 | TheStar_ | peterS: Perhaps my screen is one encoding, and my terminal is another? |
| 06:31.25 | TheStar_ | peterS: I'm irc'ing via ssh. |
| 06:31.39 | toresbe | peterS: Oooh! Ooooh! I've got compose! |
| 06:31.53 | spo0nman | toresbe: the point? oh she has a lappie that she runs and dsnt want to spend money to get a new one, but she keeps loosing data because she runs win98. im helping. |
| 06:31.53 | toresbe | peterS: what exactly does that key do? |
| 06:31.59 | peterS | TheStar_: if you're inside 'screen' (never mind the ssh part), character encoding becomes a bit confused |
| 06:32.14 | TheStar_ | Ahh, that's unfortunate. |
| 06:32.16 | mlewis00 | peterS: OK, I'll check into that...thanks. |
| 06:32.22 | peterS | toresbe: you press and release compose, then press and release " then press and release 'o' |
| 06:32.25 | peterS | toresbe: and it gives you ö |
| 06:32.26 | blackmariah | I'm strongly considering dropping my pants and fapping all of you in the head with my wang just to make sure everything I'm typing is actually making it to the channel. |
| 06:32.36 | toresbe | spo0nman: I'd reccommend a lighter'weight office pkg |
| 06:32.44 | toresbe | peterS: oh, like altgr then.. |
| 06:32.44 | toresbe | . |
| 06:32.48 | toresbe | whoops. |
| 06:32.53 | blackmariah | spo0nman: try abiword |
| 06:33.06 | peterS | toresbe: no, with AltGr, you hold down AltGr and press some key. with Compose, it's three separate keystrokes, you don't hold it down |
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| 06:33.13 | dar | How to load quota support into my kernel? |
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| 06:33.32 | spo0nman | abiword sucks. |
| 06:33.35 | peterS | dar: modprobe quota_v2 or similar |
| 06:33.37 | toresbe | peterS: oooooh... |
| 06:33.51 | TheStar_ | spo0nman: siag is another suite... But I prefer latex. |
| 06:33.59 | dar | peterS: FATAL: Error inserting quota_v2 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/fs/quota_v2.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 06:34.03 | peterS | toresbe: so, Compose ' e gives me é. etc. |
| 06:34.17 | toresbe | peterS: that makes a minimal amount of sense. In norway it's several keystrokes with altgr too. :) |
| 06:34.19 | peterS | dar: so did you "see dmesg"? |
| 06:34.39 | peterS | toresbe: oh, odd. I always thought AltGr sequences were just AltGr-x where x was just one character |
| 06:35.25 | blackmariah | Would anyone be so kind as to point me to someplace where I can actually get my question answered? |
| 06:35.37 | dar | peterS: can you see flood? |
| 06:35.50 | peterS | dar: I can now |
| 06:36.16 | toresbe | !gentoo |
| 06:36.16 | dpkg | i heard gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 06:36.26 | peterS | dar: that's strange. it's as though the kernel compile was botched |
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| 06:36.51 | dar | peterS: its a standard kernel from apt-get |
| 06:37.25 | mwilson | g'evening y'all |
| 06:37.59 | Turaldane | hey guys trying to run a script i made on a redhat box any ideas why i am getting this error??? iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 06:37.59 | Turaldane | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 06:38.10 | spo0nman | what about koffice does it still suck as much? |
| 06:38.46 | dar | peterS: any ideas? |
| 06:40.12 | peterS | dar: not really, that's an odd one indeed |
| 06:40.32 | dar | peterS: oki.. ill try later today when there are more in the chan |
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| 06:41.36 | Turaldane | Hey guys trying to do some iptables scripting any ideas why i am getting this message iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 06:41.36 | Turaldane | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 06:42.23 | Turaldane | I according to apt-get have the latest Iptables |
| 06:42.41 | hanoi_pm | Turaldane: if your system is new, use modprobe instead of insmod, and the current iptables is 1.2.11, upgrade it first |
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| 06:44.04 | Turaldane | Umm... any ideas how i can upgrade iptables to 1.2.11 if apt-get is not letting me |
| 06:44.13 | Turaldane | is there anyway i can force it??? |
| 06:44.25 | hanoi_pm | # apt-get update first |
| 06:44.31 | Turaldane | did |
| 06:44.44 | hanoi_pm | what's inside your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:45.07 | peterS | is this a credit card commercial? |
| 06:45.18 | peterS | "What's in *your* sources.list?" |
| 06:45.40 | Turaldane | deb http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 06:45.40 | Turaldane | deb-src http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 06:45.40 | Turaldane | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 06:45.40 | Turaldane | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 06:45.40 | Turaldane | deb ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/ stable main |
| 06:45.40 | Turaldane | deb-src ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/debian/ stable main |
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| 06:46.03 | blackmariah | fdisk -l is giving me this shit: /dev/hdb1 * 1 4981 40009851 55 EZ-Drive |
| 06:46.10 | Turaldane | LOL |
| 06:46.11 | blackmariah | WTF? |
| 06:46.17 | Turaldane | Go booted where can i paste it |
| 06:46.48 | hanoi_pm | Turaldane: are you willing to use testing instead of stable? |
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| 06:47.02 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: Why? |
| 06:47.04 | Turaldane | yer sure |
| 06:47.06 | Turaldane | I dont mind |
| 06:47.17 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: Why not use Woody? |
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| 06:48.01 | hanoi_pm | Turaldane: so upgrade the system to testing and you'll get newer software |
| 06:48.08 | Turaldane | http://rafb.net/paste/results/owDntf23.html Thats my sources list |
| 06:48.14 | Turaldane | How do i do that??? |
| 06:48.19 | Turaldane | Only new to debian |
| 06:48.24 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: I use iptables and it is working just fine on Woody! |
| 06:48.32 | hanoi_pm | TheStar_: when you love new software with great features |
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| 06:48.46 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: Well, I downgraded from Sid... |
| 06:48.54 | Turaldane | TheStar: well how do i get it working |
| 06:48.59 | khert | anyone know how i can allow port 80 connections thru my hosts.allow? |
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| 06:49.17 | TheStar_ | Turaldane: What's your question? |
| 06:49.30 | khert | "apache2 : ALL@ALL : ALLOW" doesn't seem to work |
| 06:49.32 | mwilson | khert: Yes, you read the man page. |
| 06:49.41 | hanoi_pm | TheStar_: for example, when you want to control your ingress bandwidth, you have to use kernel 2.6.10, which is not available on Woody |
| 06:49.41 | TheStar_ | (If anyone knows how to make irssi in screen in terminal scroll up, that'd be great!) - On mac os x |
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| 06:49.46 | mwilson | Does apache know or care about tcpwrappers? |
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| 06:49.50 | khert | i know "ssh sshd : ALL@ALL : ALLOW" is working |
| 06:49.50 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: Ahh. |
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| 06:50.01 | blackmariah | mwilson: Don't know. Read the manpage. |
| 06:50.04 | TheStar_ | hanoi_pm: Your right, you'd have to upgrade to testing, then. |
| 06:50.24 | hanoi_pm | TheStar_: so do dist-upgrade |
| 06:50.24 | Agabus | hey would anyone be able to tell me how much on average with X a debian net-install how many meg i would have to download? and yes i realize its about how many packages i select, but could someone give me a round about figure please? |
| 06:50.27 | mwilson | blackmariah: The difference is that I don't care, not being an apache user. He cares, he should already know. |
| 06:50.30 | Turaldane | TheStar: trying to get something like this to work "iptables -A block -i eth1 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT" |
| 06:50.52 | blackmariah | That's the dumbest goddamned reasoning I've ever fucking heard. |
| 06:50.59 | hanoi_pm | Agabus: I think you will have to download about 200-300MB |
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| 06:51.06 | mwilson | blackmariah: Oh? |
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| 06:51.37 | Turaldane | hanoi_pm: so i am going to need to use the testing version??? |
| 06:51.37 | hanoi_pm | iptables -A block? have your created the chain of "block" ? |
| 06:51.38 | mwilson | blackmariah: If I were an apache user, I would actually bother to find out if it used tcpwrappers before assuming it did. |
| 06:51.41 | cat | how can i view php on??? mozilla? |
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| 06:52.10 | mlewis00 | Agabus: 477MB 1Hr 11m 30sec |
| 06:52.10 | Turaldane | iptables -N block |
| 06:52.17 | Turaldane | iptables -A block -s localhost -j ACCEPT |
| 06:52.21 | hanoi_pm | Turaldane: no, if all you need is some simple iptables rules, woody is more than enough |
| 06:52.32 | blackmariah | If you care enough to ask, you care enough to RTFM if you're going to take that kind of attitude. |
| 06:52.34 | Turaldane | Well i dont know why it isnt working??? |
| 06:52.37 | TheStar_ | Turaldane: You might even be happy using "shorewall" |
| 06:52.37 | Turaldane | Any reason why?? |
| 06:52.51 | hanoi_pm | Turaldane: go ask on #iptables, not #debian |
| 06:52.52 | Turaldane | What is shorewall |
| 06:53.07 | mwilson | blackmariah: Excuse me? He's the one trying to control it through tcpwrappers, not me. |
| 06:53.15 | mwilson | blackmariah: I don't even RUN apache. |
| 06:53.16 | TheStar_ | Turaldane: It allows you to use iptables without really understanding it. It reads a set of configuration files, then makes up your iptables ruleset for you. |
| 06:53.36 | mlewis00 | Agabus: For a Sarge install with base system, desktop environment, build-essential, and GCC. |
| 06:53.47 | Rebecca | has anyone installed deb on a ibm intellistation m pro, it boots of the sarge cd but cant mount it |
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| 06:53.49 | Rebecca | ? |
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| 06:53.52 | drago- | hi |
| 06:53.53 | cat | how can i view php on??? mozilla? |
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| 06:54.01 | khert | man, this room is getting a bit touchy |
| 06:54.11 | drago- | whet is the port in linux to serial mouse |
| 06:54.29 | mwilson | khert: It's a simple question... does apache know or care about tcpwrappers? |
| 06:54.30 | drago- | Please choose your mouse port. |
| 06:54.44 | drago- | i have serial mouse |
| 06:55.01 | mwilson | khert: If it doesn't, it's just lines of text in a file, apache won't care. |
| 06:55.15 | rinmak | /dev/ttys0 should be right drago |
| 06:55.17 | khert | is this concerning my question or Turaldane's? |
| 06:55.33 | drago- | rinmak thenks |
| 06:55.34 | cat | how can i view php on mozilla? |
| 06:55.44 | cat | anyone? |
| 06:55.52 | rinmak | you cant |
| 06:55.53 | mwilson | khert: Aren't you the one who asked the question? |
| 06:55.59 | rinmak | php is a server side script |
| 06:56.10 | cat | hmmm ok |
| 06:56.37 | khert | i saw a parallel thread concerning firewalls, didn't know that u and mariah were fighting over my question |
| 06:57.03 | mwilson | khert: So you didn't actually read any of the responses you were getting. |
| 06:57.15 | mwilson | khert: How did you expect to solve your problem, then? |
| 06:57.19 | khert | since the conversation switched tcpwrapper, didn't know that had anything to do w/ apache |
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| 06:57.43 | khert | well, it sounded like u totally ignored me when u said "read the man page" |
| 06:57.49 | mwilson | khert: Uh, exactly what do you think hosts.allow and hosts.deny are, then? |
| 06:57.51 | Thanatermesis | sorry for this out of situation question but.. anyone knows where save rox-filer the fucking configuration file¿? (for mime-types configuration) |
| 06:57.59 | cat | so how come when i put a php on my apache i need to download the file i cant fiew it from mozilla |
| 06:58.11 | khert | umm, if i knew i would be answering questions in here, not giving them |
| 06:58.19 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 06:58.28 | mwilson | I know better, yet I keep doing it to myself. |
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| 06:59.31 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 07:00.23 | cat | where is the http.conf? |
| 07:00.36 | khert | /etc/apache |
| 07:00.38 | blackmariah | and where the hell is my hard drive... |
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| 07:01.58 | Agabus | what is the difference between a netinstall iso and a business card iso? |
| 07:02.06 | quitte_ | i got a laptop here with a s3 savage chip. so i compiled xorg, and managed to load the savage kernel module - and have have a savage_dri module in my x modules dir. but still glxinfo is telling me direct rendering isn'T enabled. how do i get xorg to use the savage_dri module? |
| 07:02.18 | TheStar_ | Agabus: The later fits in your wallet. |
| 07:02.43 | Rebecca | the sarge install is having trouble mounting the cdrom drive to start the install, anyone know a fix? |
| 07:02.48 | Agabus | yeh no doubt, but the netinstall could fit on a business card cd aswell as its only 100 meg |
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| 07:03.05 | TheStar_ | Agabus: I think ak business cd only fits 45 MB or something. |
| 07:03.23 | Agabus | oh ok |
| 07:03.29 | Agabus | but does it do the net install? |
| 07:03.37 | TheStar_ | I would say so. |
| 07:03.40 | mwilson | Yes, because the actual *circular* area of a bc CD-ROM is much smaller. |
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| 07:04.26 | peterS | right - reading any information that doesn't fit inside the largest circle you could stamp out of a business card CD would be ... a bit problematic |
| 07:04.57 | flow | Hello @ all! |
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| 07:05.16 | flow | Why does my box get denied WebDAV LOCK? |
| 07:05.20 | flow | It works from Windoze - am I missing some libraries? libneo24 and cadaver are installed ... |
| 07:05.37 | Agabus | so, with the net install i could do a fresh install a month later using the same disc and it would install a more updated sarge? |
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| 07:05.52 | peterS | Agabus: yes |
| 07:06.13 | peterS | Agabus: until sarge becomes stable, which *will* eventually happen (: then the archive will be basically static except for security updates |
| 07:06.58 | Agabus | peterS - oh k but even when sargve does become stable won't this cd just download the new testing? |
| 07:07.02 | mwilson | peterS: Not going to happen any time soon... it's obvious it doesn't have any priority. |
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| 07:07.27 | Agabus | mwilson - what has priority over sarge? |
| 07:07.28 | khert | night all |
| 07:07.32 | mwilson | peterS: The KDE and Gnome transitions pretty much demonstrate that. |
| 07:07.36 | peterS | Agabus: not sure how it's specified |
| 07:07.37 | flow | Hi FreeSOB |
| 07:07.44 | blackmariah | Agabus, it downloads from the Sarge directories, IIRC. |
| 07:07.45 | FreeSOB | hi flavius |
| 07:07.49 | FreeSOB | hi flow |
| 07:07.52 | blackmariah | or does it... |
| 07:08.15 | Agabus | haha freesob remember me :) |
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| 07:08.31 | FreeSOB | Agabus: Indeed. |
| 07:08.39 | Agabus | lol |
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| 07:09.22 | Agabus | so, last time i did a fresh install of sarge i was not able to view my hdb fat32 harddrive. debian has support for secondary fat32 hdd dosnt it? |
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| 07:09.36 | peterS | Agabus: yes |
| 07:09.38 | blackmariah | Actually, now that I look in my sources.list, it's dowloading from the testing directory and not from a Sarge-specific directory. |
| 07:10.03 | Agabus | peterS - so i wonder why it didn't see it, maybe a bug thats been smoothed out now? |
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| 07:10.29 | peterS | Agabus: impossible for me to say. I don't know what it is that you say can't see the drive. the kernel? some user setup UI? kde? |
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| 07:11.00 | Agabus | peterS - oh yeh sorry i meant that it didn't auto-mount it in /mnt |
| 07:11.08 | Agabus | is that normal?" |
| 07:12.14 | peterS | Agabus: I think that's normal. the system doesn't assume that every partition of every connected hard drive is something you want mounted all the time |
| 07:12.36 | Agabus | ok fair enough |
| 07:13.19 | Agabus | well when i get sarge installed from this sarge netinstall disc, do ya think i could just come back in here n get some help in auto-mounting it? |
| 07:14.34 | TheStar_ | They're confusing, and even windows is going away from it. |
| 07:14.40 | blackmariah | WTF? |
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| 07:14.53 | Agabus | but i want to be able to access my secondary hdd |
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| 07:14.56 | TheStar_ | blackmariah: Every had a USB flash drive, for instance? |
| 07:15.03 | blackmariah | nope |
| 07:15.09 | Beccara | is there anyway under debians exim4 to store e-mail in a SQL db? |
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| 07:15.26 | TheStar_ | blackmariah: Well, basically all the "new" things have to be "stopped", particulary if it's usb, and definetly if it's pcmcia |
| 07:15.33 | blackmariah | hdb shows up in fdisk -l as a 40GB EX-Drive. It isn't even listed in fstab. |
| 07:16.12 | peterS | Beccara: should be possible - exim just hands mail off to an MDA (mail delivery agent), the MDA can do as it likes. write a simple one that connects to an SQL server and feeds the mail in there (you get to create the schema too) and tell exim to use it |
| 07:16.28 | blackmariah | TheStar: Is that in regards to my issue, or Agabus's? |
| 07:16.29 | Beccara | ouch - thats above me |
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| 07:16.41 | TheStar_ | blackmariah: Just my complaint about automounters in general. |
| 07:16.46 | blackmariah | k |
| 07:17.06 | Beccara | also how would things like courier IMAP access it? |
| 07:17.10 | blackmariah | Any opinions on hard drive disappearances related to 2.6.10? ;) |
| 07:17.10 | Nurbs | Beccara: you might be interested in dbmail |
| 07:17.17 | Nurbs | Beccara: they wouldn't |
| 07:17.40 | Beccara | so how would i access my e-mail via imap? |
| 07:17.43 | peterS | Beccara: that's a harder question. you'd have to educate your imap server about how to connect to a database and what schema to expect once it got there. I don't think the IMAP servers in debian have any prepackaged solutions for this sort of thing |
| 07:17.52 | Nurbs | Beccara: you'd use another mail server. |
| 07:17.57 | Agabus | oh yeh a question: with the netinstall disc can i install the 2.6 kernel without having to install the default sarge 2.4?? |
| 07:18.05 | Beccara | like what Nurbs? |
| 07:18.07 | Nurbs | dbmail |
| 07:18.38 | Beccara | hmm ok |
| 07:18.41 | blackmariah | Agabus: If my current problem is any indication, don't. |
| 07:18.41 | Nurbs | Agabus: yes. |
| 07:18.47 | brynjarh | Agabus: yea |
| 07:18.56 | Nurbs | Agabus: read what it tells you when you boot |
| 07:19.09 | flowtron | Anybody use WebDAV? |
| 07:19.21 | toresbe | HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA OH MY SWEET MERCIFUL LORD |
| 07:19.22 | Agabus | blackmariah - i don't know what your current problem is, but i will not use the 2.4 kernel |
| 07:19.25 | toresbe | http://blog.monkeymethods.org/2005/01/bill-gates-strikes-pose-for-teen-beat.html |
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| 07:19.51 | Agabus | Nurbs - where abouts on the boot? in help or something? |
| 07:19.54 | brynjarh | toresbe: that's disgusting! |
| 07:20.22 | brynjarh | toresbe: not exactly what I want to see in the morning |
| 07:20.45 | toresbe | brynjarh: Well hah on you for being in that timezone :) |
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| 07:21.09 | Nurbs | Agabus: you can at least boot the 2.6 kernel from there and iirc it installs that one then, too. check the boot screens (Fx-keys) |
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| 07:21.30 | Agabus | fuck me dead, is that truly gates? |
| 07:21.49 | SleepyPete | 'parrently so |
| 07:21.51 | blackmariah | Agabus: My hard drive disappeared after installing 2.6.10. Why a no on the 2.4, just out of curiosity? |
| 07:22.13 | TheStar_ | Beccara: What I'd do is make or find an MDA that sends a *copy* to a database, and route mail as normal. |
| 07:22.14 | Agabus | blackmariah - because the 2.4 kernel is soooooo slow |
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| 07:22.27 | TheStar_ | Beccara: I'm also writing a custom client. |
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| 07:22.49 | blackmariah | Agabus: At least it found my hard drives. lol |
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| 07:23.37 | Beccara | thanks, i'll give dbmail a look |
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| 07:24.54 | Beccara | on lowend hardware which is likly to be better for a small e-mail server MYSQL or Postsql |
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| 07:25.38 | kisshi | using cupsys to drive a epson printer in winXP server,but failed, /var/log/cups/error_log show that "Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 10!" |
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| 07:25.45 | peterS | Beccara: I don't think mysql is better than postgresql for *any* hardware range. but who knows |
| 07:25.47 | Silensius | mkfs -t vfat /dev/hda4 return this mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system |
| 07:26.04 | Silensius | how can i format in vfat a large disk |
| 07:26.12 | peterS | Silensius: mkdosfs has issues with filesystems greater than ... I forget, 32 GB? 80 GB? |
| 07:26.20 | Silensius | ok |
| 07:26.38 | Silensius | my hdd is 40 giga |
| 07:27.00 | Phated | Well now we know it's 32 gigs. :) |
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| 07:27.05 | Silensius | :) |
| 07:27.10 | mike | cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src -- does kernel_headers and kernel_image have to refer to a folder... i don't get it |
| 07:27.18 | peterS | Silensius: possibly 'mformat' from mtools would like large disks better. but I don't know. there's some particular reason for the mkdosfs (aka mkfs -t vfat) limit |
| 07:27.36 | Silensius | thanks |
| 07:27.38 | scrows | alguém sabe como que atualiza o troço para baixar fotos da câmera digital??????? |
| 07:27.56 | peterS | scrows: in English, please. we don't speak pt_BR here |
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| 07:29.07 | apilgrim | hi is there a utility in debain to control startup services other than going to rc*.d and renaming them? |
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| 07:29.23 | mathieu | update-rc.d |
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| 07:29.34 | apilgrim | edit file rc.d? |
| 07:29.35 | peterS | apilgrim: well, there's update-rc.d but there are also one or two friendlier UIs. check apt-cache |
| 07:29.55 | flowtron | which packages do I need to enable WebDAV locking - anybody know? Or where to go to find out? |
| 07:29.55 | mathieu | rcconf |
| 07:30.03 | peterS | apilgrim: rcconf is one |
| 07:30.09 | apilgrim | update-rc.d is a progam? |
| 07:30.26 | peterS | yes, but it's not really any friendlier than just managing links by hand |
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| 07:32.26 | apilgrim | will check rcconf |
| 07:32.33 | Shaun | anybody running 2.6.x kernel? My dhcp client says it doesnt support the kernel |
| 07:33.13 | mwilson | Shaun: Yes? Install one that does. |
| 07:33.18 | hanoi_pm | Shaun: I'm using 2.6.10, and everything seems to be fine |
| 07:33.37 | blackmariah | Shaun: 2.6.10 here too. Everything working except hdb1... |
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| 07:34.02 | flowtron | Shaun 2.6.7 here : no problems (except WebDAV locking hehe) |
| 07:34.06 | sbk | everything working except for getting an ip address and some partiton. All hail 2.6.10! |
| 07:34.12 | hanoi_pm | blackmariah: why do you take risk running 2.6.10 ? :) |
| 07:34.39 | Shaun | this is running 2.6.10 |
| 07:34.45 | Agabus | how is it a risk? |
| 07:35.16 | hanoi_pm | it's in unstable, and it's not really safe to use unstable |
| 07:35.25 | Shaun | hmm if i do dhclietn-2.2.x then it works |
| 07:35.30 | Phated | Yeah tell that to the people who use sid. |
| 07:35.31 | brynjarh | hey, how to I upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.10? I'm running unstable, why isn't it enough to just to apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 07:35.31 | Shaun | it's just that the dhclient one doesnt. |
| 07:35.33 | blackmariah | hanoi_pm: It's in testing too |
| 07:35.37 | hanoi_pm | I use sarge, I only use 2.6.10 because I need some new features too bad |
| 07:35.41 | Agabus | which 2.6.x kernel is in testing? |
| 07:35.43 | Nwallins | does the linux-wlan-ng package include the 'linux-wlan-ng kernel modules'? |
| 07:35.55 | blackmariah | hanoi_pm: Ever try to get JACK running on 2.4? Try it and you'll understand. |
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| 07:35.56 | hanoi_pm | Agabus: 2.6.9 is in testing |
| 07:36.04 | mwilson | brynjarh: Why would it be? |
| 07:36.15 | Agabus | hanoi_pm - oh i see |
| 07:36.28 | Shaun | how can i find out what package a file came from? |
| 07:36.37 | peterS | Shaun: dpkg -S |
| 07:36.48 | bob2 | dpkg, dfs rescue is http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/10/1727246&from=#debian |
| 07:36.49 | dpkg | okay, bob2 |
| 07:36.52 | hanoi_pm | 2.6.10 has so many great networking features added |
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| 07:37.22 | Nwallins | are the linux-wlan-ng kernel modules installed when the linux-wlan-ng package is installed? |
| 07:37.27 | bob2 | nope |
| 07:37.28 | Shaun | hmm /sbin/dhclient says it came from the same pkg as /sbin/dhclient-2.2.x |
| 07:37.35 | brynjarh | mwilson: why would what be? I'm just wondering how to upgrade my kernel, not that I need to, just seeing allot of people here talking about running 2.6.10.. :) , does the kernel not upgrade using apt-get upgrade? Isn't 2.6.10 in unstable? |
| 07:37.36 | Shaun | but dhclient says kernel not supported... |
| 07:37.41 | bob2 | Nwallins: there's one set of modules for each kernel |
| 07:37.47 | bob2 | Shaun: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 07:38.01 | Shaun | bob2: yes, this is actually a UML |
| 07:38.02 | Nwallins | i'm running the 2.6 (IIRC) from the sarge netinst iso |
| 07:38.07 | flowtron | hanoi_pm : do you know wether WebDAV locking is among them? |
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| 07:38.15 | Shaun | bob2: dhclient-2.2.x works fine though. |
| 07:38.26 | Shaun | but i need dhcp to work on boot. |
| 07:38.35 | Nwallins | bob2: do i need to recompile the kernel or what? |
| 07:38.38 | bob2 | Nwallins: what does 'uname -r' print out? |
| 07:38.43 | bob2 | Nwallins: no... |
| 07:38.44 | Nwallins | ugh.. dual-boot |
| 07:38.47 | Agabus | wat does IIRC mean? |
| 07:38.53 | Nwallins | If I Recall Correctly |
| 07:38.57 | hanoi_pm | flowtron: I haven't get my hand dirty with web development for a long time, so I don't know |
| 07:39.08 | Nwallins | bob2: rebooting.. |
| 07:39.31 | flowtron | arghl ... this is really bugging me - cadaver gets a 500 response - Firefox a 403 ... |
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| 07:40.16 | hanoi_pm | Shaun: try dhcp3 |
| 07:40.21 | markybob | Agabus, if i recall correctly |
| 07:40.50 | Agabus | finally, net-install disc is downloaded and burning now :D i hope it dosn't take too long to download the o/s and install it on my 512 connection :( |
| 07:41.12 | troublema | i'm trying to install debian sarge. I downloaded the 1st cd of the "full version" but when i try to boot from it, my computer insists on trying to connect to a dhcp server, and it says "no boot filename received." Can anyone here help me? |
| 07:41.36 | tarzeau | troublema: do you have cd boot enabled in your bios? |
| 07:41.43 | markybob | brynjarh, yes, kernel-image-2.6.10 is in unstable. |
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| 07:41.47 | tarzeau | troublema: what about turning off network boot if you don't need it? |
| 07:42.10 | markybob | brynjarh, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.10 then apt-get install whichever one you want |
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| 07:42.37 | troublema | i have cd boot enabled in the bios, and i don't know how to disable network boot |
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| 07:43.01 | markybob | troublema, same place. the bios |
| 07:43.21 | troublema | it was booting from the cd, but after it did, it tried to connect to a dhcp server |
| 07:43.30 | deadcat | what the diff between kernel-source-2.6.10 and kernel-tree-2.6.10? |
| 07:44.28 | markybob | deadcat, one's the source and the other is the debian tree...has stuff like the config for different archs |
| 07:44.50 | markybob | iirc. not sure |
| 07:44.54 | deadcat | oh.. never seen the kernel-tree pkg before |
| 07:45.09 | zhouwei | i have a problem with printing through samba,it said:Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED, who would like to help me? |
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| 07:45.35 | troublema | yes, it was never *actually* booting of the network it just booted off the cd, then it tried to connect to dhcp, and failed |
| 07:45.52 | Rebecca | i fixed the intellistation problem, i did an expert26 install and only selected generic drivers, and it was able to mount the cdrom |
| 07:46.02 | troublema | when i disabled the network card, it would simply say boot failed |
| 07:46.04 | brynjarh | markybob: Okay so I'm doing 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386' right now, but shouldn't this be done for me with the command 'apt-get upgrade'? |
| 07:46.13 | markybob | brynjarh, no. |
| 07:46.24 | brynjarh | markybob: How so?.. :) |
| 07:46.25 | raghu | to run cups on local server what packages we need? |
| 07:46.50 | markybob | brynjarh, no decent upgrade system will automatically change your kernel. most servers, etc, use custom kernels |
| 07:47.03 | markybob | brynjarh, it's dangerous. and dumb |
| 07:47.51 | brynjarh | markybob: ah okay, then that's one more thing I know. :) |
| 07:48.05 | markybob | raghu, cupsys |
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| 07:48.27 | raghu | markybob: only cupsys....or any thing with it |
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| 07:48.52 | markybob | raghu, apt-cache search cupsys and get whatever else you want to go along |
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| 07:49.19 | Beccara | when i install postgresql whats the default username and password? |
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| 07:50.26 | Nwallins | bob2: uname -r 2.4.27-1-i386 putting 2.6 on the system is another goal.. kill 2 birds? |
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| 07:50.34 | markybob | Beccara, none, iirc. sudo -u postgres createuser your-name |
| 07:50.34 | raghu | markybob: thx...dude |
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| 07:50.45 | CSWookie | How do I make it so that my apache server will look in a user's .www directory if the url is myserver/~username ? |
| 07:50.59 | CSWookie | Is that an apache module for it or something? |
| 07:51.15 | boukensya | hey guys.. I have menu installed but want to remove it, cuz I use shortcut keys and not the menu. How do I do that without taking my wm off with it? |
| 07:51.22 | Beccara | and how do i give the user a pssword? |
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| 07:51.24 | Nwallins | CSWookie look in httpd.conf |
| 07:51.32 | CSWookie | Nwallins: Thanks |
| 07:51.37 | Nwallins | grep for public_html |
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| 07:52.05 | boukensya | I did an "aptitude remove menu" but it wants to take off fluxbox too |
| 07:52.19 | markybob | Beccara, http://www.active.org.au/doc/active/pgsql.html |
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| 07:53.27 | markybob | Beccara, you might wanna look into phppgadmin, btw. |
| 07:53.44 | GIGI | IBJGR |
| 07:53.58 | Beccara | yeah thats what i'm tring to do |
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| 07:55.35 | Lambo | if port 25, and port 110 are open is that a security risk? |
| 07:55.53 | zakame | hi all |
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| 07:56.12 | markybob | Lambo, do you know what those ports are for? |
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| 07:56.34 | Lambo | port 25 |
| 07:56.34 | Lambo | Simple Mail Transfer Protocol |
| 07:56.45 | markybob | Lambo, smtp and pop. aka mail. do you think mail is a security risk? |
| 07:57.09 | Lambo | dont know linux knewbie :) |
| 07:57.11 | Nwallins | according to http://www.dclug.org.uk/archive/2004/11/msg00105.html installing linux-wlan-ng requires a kernel re-compile bob2? |
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| 07:57.20 | markybob | Lambo, no. it's fine. |
| 07:57.26 | Lambo | thanks |
| 07:57.41 | Rebecca | the ssh install is impressive :) |
| 07:58.13 | CSWookie | Nwallins: OK. I went and changed it to .www, like I wanted, but the web browser still says that I don't have permission. Does the directory have to be groupowned by the server or something? |
| 07:58.34 | Nwallins | CSWookie: i'm not sure.. never set it up before |
| 07:58.49 | Nwallins | at this point, the apache docs should be all you need |
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| 08:02.23 | zakame | hi all |
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| 08:04.32 | Nwallins | bob2: can you give me an idea of what to do next? most of what I've read says to recompile the kernel with the wlan kernel modules.. not sure where to get those |
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| 08:04.40 | shishi | hello all |
| 08:04.49 | zakame | hi shishi |
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| 08:04.58 | shishi | someone use a sata DD with a7n8x deluxe |
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| 08:05.23 | shishi | cause i try to install sarge on it (current) but it hang with sd modules |
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| 08:09.49 | shantanu | hi all |
| 08:10.06 | shantanu | how do I install a .deb package in my current folder |
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| 08:10.13 | shantanu | ? |
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| 08:10.33 | toresbe | shantanu: dpkg -i |
| 08:10.34 | stew | shantanu: dpkg -i pkg |
| 08:10.43 | shantanu | thanks I will try now |
| 08:10.51 | toresbe | yes you try now |
| 08:11.02 | toresbe | oh just great |
| 08:11.32 | booyaa | hey all |
| 08:11.34 | booyaa | hey, how come sarge seems to only have 2.6.8 kernel headers? |
| 08:11.36 | booyaa | are lower header versions deprecatd? |
| 08:11.38 | booyaa | deprecated even? |
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| 08:11.46 | kain | hello..everyone |
| 08:11.57 | toresbe | the orphanage I'm moving to now doesn't have either a piano nor broadband |
| 08:12.12 | Nwallins | what about a keyboard? |
| 08:12.37 | toresbe | I have one but it\s so crap it\s actually frustrating to play |
| 08:12.57 | Nwallins | is it midi-compatible? |
| 08:13.06 | toresbe | Nwallins: Yeah |
| 08:13.23 | Nwallins | that can be fun with some good tone modules |
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| 08:13.38 | toresbe | Nwallins: Well, it's the keys themselves |
| 08:13.47 | Nwallins | ah.. weighted is nice.. |
| 08:14.04 | toresbe | These feel like "My First Piano" |
| 08:14.15 | Nwallins | Fisher Price.. he |
| 08:14.17 | Nwallins | heh |
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| 08:14.23 | toresbe | The internet part sucks too |
| 08:15.00 | stew | booyaa: it should have a 2.4 version as well, probably 2.4.27-1 |
| 08:16.04 | booyaa | stew, well thats what i mean, i'm still on 2.6.7 kernel and theres nothing remarkable about 2.6.8, yet i need to compile nvidia drivers the debian way |
| 08:16.15 | booyaa | and need 2.6.7 kernel headers |
| 08:16.32 | stew | booyaa: wasn't 2.6.7 locally rootable? |
| 08:16.36 | Nwallins | anyone have any insight into installing linux-wlan-ng? |
| 08:17.02 | booyaa | keeping in mind that under 2.6.8 the nvidia drivers (debian way) isn't even compilable ... or at least it seems that way |
| 08:17.07 | booyaa | stew, really? /me googles |
| 08:17.40 | booyaa | so then, is the debian "policy/practice" to remove kernels and kernel headers with similar issues? |
| 08:17.55 | booyaa | or does the distro just remove previous kernel branches as the newest one drops in from stable? |
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| 08:18.42 | chealer | booyaa: if one method fails try the other one. I had m-a failing but manual build with stock kernel worked |
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| 08:19.25 | booyaa | chealer, actually thats not working either, i only run stock kernels |
| 08:19.39 | booyaa | i'm about to use the nvidia installer as i need the system running |
| 08:19.50 | chealer | where's is it failing just in case? |
| 08:19.59 | booyaa | let me look at the logs ... |
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| 08:20.52 | booyaa | its failing on building the deb file actually |
| 08:21.13 | booyaa | it cant find a file called make.build in the kernel headers dir somewhere |
| 08:21.15 | stew | booyaa: since 2.6.7 has a local root exploit it would never be a candidate for stable, so yes, it is removed from testing |
| 08:21.31 | booyaa | stew, oh okay, now i understand |
| 08:21.32 | booyaa | thank you |
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| 08:21.39 | booyaa | 2.6.8 it is then |
| 08:21.40 | booyaa | thanks |
| 08:21.42 | stew | "newest one drops in from stable" <- don't know what that means |
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| 08:21.49 | booyaa | typo |
| 08:21.52 | booyaa | from unstable |
| 08:21.55 | flowtron | booyaa : I had a lot of trouble with those drivers too, are you sure you have all header and source packages for the running kernel installed? |
| 08:22.12 | ICU | hmm if a local root exploit disqualifies a kernel from being in stable - 2.6.11 then? |
| 08:22.28 | booyaa | flowtron, you too eh? well apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7 ... ? |
| 08:22.48 | booyaa | oh source packages? |
| 08:22.50 | booyaa | *smack* |
| 08:22.56 | booyaa | wtf, i completely forgot |
| 08:23.06 | flowtron | but to be honest - I'm not sure I DID manage it with 2.6.8 either ... so ... just a hint :) |
| 08:23.48 | stew | ICU: >2.6.9 will not enter sarge, any security fixes will be backported into 2.6.8 |
| 08:23.48 | chealer | booyaa: you said m-a failed too? |
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| 08:23.48 | stew | err > 2.6.8 that is |
| 08:23.48 | ICU | stew, ah okay |
| 08:23.48 | booyaa | module-assistant config or whatever didn't download kernel source, just headers |
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| 08:23.48 | flowtron | HTH |
| 08:23.54 | booyaa | stew, yeah i looked at unstable and figured i'd ask to be sure *nod* |
| 08:24.04 | stew | !dbugs 279594 |
| 08:24.09 | dpkg | #279594:G[kernel-source-2.6.9] kernel-source-2.6.9: should not enter sarge |
| 08:24.39 | booyaa | chealer, *hmmm* sorry i'm semi newb m-a stands for what again? |
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| 08:25.17 | zakame | booyaa: modules-assistant |
| 08:25.21 | toresbe | booyaa: module-assistant |
| 08:25.48 | booyaa | oh heh, *nod* yes |
| 08:25.51 | booyaa | i tried that first |
| 08:26.06 | flowtron | gotta run |
| 08:26.18 | chealer | I have it failing too on two systems but still, what's your error/problem? |
| 08:26.22 | booyaa | m-a prepare first as well ... that downloaded a bunch of stuff i missed, still problem |
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| 08:26.40 | booyaa | it appears to fail during the deb build process |
| 08:26.42 | Coke | !module-assistant |
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| 08:27.06 | Coke | What the heck is module-assistant? |
| 08:27.34 | _joey | a patch or hack, anyting of this kind |
| 08:27.40 | _joey | as pretty anything else on linux |
| 08:27.47 | _joey | :) |
| 08:28.20 | booyaa | Coke, man module-assistant ... better description than i can give you |
| 08:29.04 | Coke | hm. strange that dpkg nor apt knows about it. |
| 08:29.12 | _joey | hacks suck |
| 08:29.23 | karora | Huh? apt-cache show module-assistant WFM... |
| 08:29.39 | Coke | me to, but the bots in this channel are oblivious to that fact. |
| 08:29.47 | _joey | debian is built on hacks? |
| 08:31.30 | booyaa | it's hard to complain, it's free |
| 08:31.43 | vulture | _joey: a good hack is a sight to behold, depends on the nature of the hack as to whether or not it's a bad thing.. |
| 08:31.45 | _joey | I am not complaining |
| 08:31.46 | booyaa | just learning whats what is good enough i guess |
| 08:31.52 | dead|shell | !beer dead|shell |
| 08:31.54 | _joey | vulture man :) |
| 08:32.01 | _joey | Don't interrupt me when I am trolling |
| 08:32.06 | booyaa | what is what even, but anyway |
| 08:32.08 | vulture | indeed |
| 08:32.56 | _joey | if you think about it, you need to have excllent QA or testing skills to build a distrubition, mainly and any QA would never promote hacks etc |
| 08:33.12 | _joey | besides, I think Debian guys should go to MS and take classes on PM |
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| 08:33.35 | _joey | oh man:) |
| 08:33.42 | booyaa | okay, last question, the nvidia installer basically does the same thing, builds a module ... so to uninstall the nvidia module one simply needs to rmmod nvidia and delete the nvidia.ko from the system, and trying again to build nv deb package should be fine right? |
| 08:34.03 | deadcat | no |
| 08:34.06 | _joey | any it project has time constraints |
| 08:34.54 | booyaa | heh |
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| 08:35.01 | _joey | vulture how long until you finish your course? |
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| 08:35.13 | karora | _joey: Of course many times the scope is adjusted to allow the project to be declared complete. |
| 08:35.18 | booyaa | oh yeah, i love how a company with 56 billion in cash can keep their projects on time |
| 08:35.22 | pattyand | anyone knows if there are deb files for eclipse and debian woody? |
| 08:35.36 | booyaa | pattyand, no, but its not necesary |
| 08:35.42 | _joey | karora I am putting $2 that you won't get sarge stable this year |
| 08:35.47 | booyaa | its just a jar file execute it like any java proggy |
| 08:35.56 | pattyand | booyaa: ah ok. |
| 08:36.07 | pattyand | so... which JDK should I download? |
| 08:36.07 | vulture | _joey: doing honours this year, then I'll hopefully break out and get a job or something |
| 08:36.16 | vulture | as disturbing as that thought may be |
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| 08:36.52 | tbbw | hello :) i got a linux as a router ( with NAT ) and i got a dns problem |
| 08:36.55 | _joey | there're many juniour positions available, I'v seen one today but it's in Melbourne |
| 08:37.18 | tbbw | i can use my browser perfectly ( when i enter a ip and not a host ) |
| 08:37.44 | vulture | _joey: well I'll probably be trying for an internship at sun labs in san fran actually, I'm working on a project with them at the moment (and my honours project will probably be in that area) |
| 08:37.49 | tbbw | i added a rule for the dns in nat but it seems not to work... also added my isp´s dns servers in dhcpd.conf |
| 08:37.54 | _joey | vulture I have completed CS in UNSW , I am thinking to continue with my education, not in IT though |
| 08:38.06 | stew | tbbw: did you add it for udp or tcp? |
| 08:38.10 | _joey | vulture fabulous:) |
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| 08:38.11 | tbbw | read on a web page about "named.conf" file |
| 08:38.15 | tbbw | stew: udp |
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| 08:38.25 | vulture | _joey: if I do continue it won't be immediately, I could do further work in CS (PhD etc) and/or something in Law perhaps.. |
| 08:38.41 | vulture | *dinner* |
| 08:38.43 | tbbw | but dont find any "named" package... |
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| 08:38.50 | tbbw | anyone know of a replacement? |
| 08:38.59 | stew | tbbw: you wnat to run your own dns server? |
| 08:39.03 | markybob | tbbw, named.conf is a bind9 config file |
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| 08:39.08 | MrKrystal | hi. Still no moinmoin 1.3.x packages, even in unstable ... |
| 08:39.11 | _joey | vulture I decided to go with maths, financial maths, there are many positioons avialble in this industry at the moment and the rquirment is at least to have masters |
| 08:39.19 | booyaa | thx for the info |
| 08:39.26 | _joey | vulture good luck with everything you do |
| 08:39.33 | tbbw | markybob: so its just to install bind9 and replicate the step in the tutorial? |
| 08:39.42 | markybob | tbbw, yes. and try to lay off the crack |
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| 08:39.57 | tbbw | markybob: crappy they did not mentioned that in the tutorial |
| 08:40.08 | tbbw | markybob: and try to lay off the insults man |
| 08:40.17 | markybob | tbbw, anyone who should mess with dns knows what bind is. |
| 08:40.47 | tbbw | markybob: i dont mess with dns just doing this to get it working no dns pro.. |
| 08:41.06 | tbbw | got the correct port and protocol thru iptraf |
| 08:41.33 | MrKrystal | you should read, before asking questions about bind/dns |
| 08:42.06 | tbbw | omg... u guys realy dont read what im saying... |
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| 08:43.04 | markybob | oh yeah. burn. ouch. |
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| 08:45.48 | stew | MrKrystal: check the bts and see if there is a wishlist bug filed about a newer upstream version if htere is none then file one |
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| 08:46.48 | sami | Can someone help me with user permission problem with nfs? I can't use files from nfs-shares although I have same UID's & GID's |
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| 08:47.38 | herati | Newbie question : which is the correct kernel for a Pentium 4M processor : -386 or -686? |
| 08:47.48 | stew | 686 |
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| 08:48.31 | herati | stew - But the -386 should run also, right? |
| 08:48.35 | stew | yes |
| 08:48.55 | herati | Thanks. |
| 08:48.56 | MrKrystal | herati: it's 686, pentium-3 |
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| 08:49.38 | stew | pentium-3? |
| 08:49.41 | herati | MrKrystal - pentium-3 ? I have P4M in a Fujitsu Lifebook |
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| 08:50.10 | MrKrystal | herati: i know. P4M uses the same instructions as P-3 |
| 08:50.31 | MrKrystal | herati: anyway, 686 is used since PII processors |
| 08:50.38 | ICU | hmm which would be the recommended kernel for sarge? i guess 2.6.8.1? |
| 08:50.46 | MrKrystal | 586 is for pentium I |
| 08:50.53 | DerJamster | 's the newest 2.6 in Sarge, yep. |
| 08:51.00 | stew | ICU: yes |
| 08:51.08 | herati | MrKrystal - It's a bumme that the default (non-expert) installation just installs the 386! |
| 08:51.16 | MrKrystal | herati: weird ! |
| 08:51.34 | MrKrystal | herati: oh sry, no, it's normal :) |
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| 08:52.56 | MrKrystal | debian is a non optimized version of gnu/linux. Just known to run out of the box. And very user friendly |
| 08:53.05 | Om | Why do Mozilla Browser and Galeon both say they need to remove gnome to be uninstalled? :/ |
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| 08:55.47 | Nurbs | most likely gnome depends on galeon and galeon on mozilla browser or similar |
| 08:56.07 | Nurbs | gnome is just a meta-package anyway, doesn't hurt much to remove it. you can try replacing it by gnome-core, too |
| 08:56.10 | stew | Om: which package does it want to uninstall? |
| 08:57.12 | Om | removing 'mozilla-browser' it wants to remove 'galeon', 'galeon-common', 'gnome', 'gnome-desktop-enviroment' and 'mozilla-psm' |
| 08:57.20 | herati | MrKrystal - How much of a performance difference would one expect using a 386 kernel on a P4? |
| 08:57.33 | CurryPork | im a beginner..deciding between slackware n debian..which is better? pros n cons? |
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| 08:57.48 | K4Rm4K | wenas |
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| 08:59.23 | Beccara | what package do i have to install to get the Crypt/PasswdMD5 perl module? |
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| 09:00.00 | antjos | hi |
| 09:00.02 | karora | apt-cache search libcrypt | grep md5 |
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| 09:00.51 | karora | libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl - interoperable MD5-based crypt() for perl |
| 09:01.08 | stew | Om: seems like gnome-desktop-envoronment depends on galeon |
| 09:02.19 | MrKrystal | herati: not that much i suppose |
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| 09:02.36 | stew | Om: and galeon depends on mozilla-browser |
| 09:03.01 | Om | Can either of the two gnome packages be removed safely? |
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| 09:03.22 | herati | Thanks. I guess I'll find out soon enough :-) |
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| 09:03.38 | stew | Om: gnome and gnome-desktop-env. are both metapackages just there to make it easy to pull in a bunch of other packages |
| 09:03.48 | stew | !depends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:03.51 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: depends on gnome-core (= 63), epiphany-browser (>= 1.4.8) | galeon (>= 1.3.18) | mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, file-roller (>= 2.8.3), gcalctool (>= 4.4.20), esound, fam | gamin, gconf-editor (>= 2.8.2), gnome-gv (>= 1:2.8.2), gnome-about (>= 2.8.1), gnome-games (>= 1:2.8.2), gnome-media (>= 2.8.0), gnome-system-monitor (>= 2.8.1), gnome-themes (>= 2.8.2), gnome2-user-guide (>= 2.8.1), gnome-utils (>= 2.8.1), gnome-volume-manager (>= 1.1.2 |
| 09:03.51 | dpkg | meeting (>= 1.0.2), gpdf (>= 2.8.1), gucharmap (>= 1.4.2), nautilus-cd-burner (>= 2.8.6), nautilus-media (>= 0.8.1), zenity (>= 2.8.2) |
| 09:04.11 | Om | so removing them shouldn't cause any trouble? |
| 09:04.35 | stew | Om: no, the metapackages themselves contain no actual binaries |
| 09:04.59 | jachebug | SednA, hi |
| 09:05.02 | Om | Thanks then!, I guess I'll just let it remove them then :) |
| 09:05.17 | SednA | jachebug hello. |
| 09:05.41 | stew | Om: yeah, its just so you can do "apt-get install gnome" and "get lots of gnome stuff installed" |
| 09:06.17 | Om | ah :) |
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| 09:08.48 | moebius | hi! I have a problem with a ftp server, it doesn't show me 2 files which are big approx. 4 gb, if i list the content locally I can see them without any problem |
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| 09:09.01 | moebius | both files have read permission for all users |
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| 09:09.47 | _felipe_ | anyone can help me with a few questions about a netinstall for debian???? |
| 09:10.14 | SlayerXP | _felipe_: until you ask them, it's impossible to answer that question. |
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| 09:11.21 | _felipe_ | ok, i get it |
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| 09:11.41 | Gnea | just boot it and install it |
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| 09:12.29 | _felipe_ | if i've got a dial up connection is there any way to make a netinstall for debian, i've tried with the floppies and in no place they ask me for my username and password of the dial-up connection, what can i do?? |
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| 09:13.57 | jcook | need network guru help |
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| 09:14.12 | daaku | anyone else having high cpu usage with firefox? i'm loading a single page, and even after the page is loaded, i get a steady ~70% usage! |
| 09:14.21 | Mo666 | /join #network-gurus |
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| 09:14.48 | jcook | Mo666: there's noone there |
| 09:14.48 | jcook | the hosting co has just told me the netmask for this IP is 255.255.255.255 ... is that possible |
| 09:14.56 | SlayerXP | jcook: yes. |
| 09:15.05 | Mo666 | jcook, sorry, i should have outlined that as a joke |
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| 09:15.10 | SlayerXP | unlikely, but it _is_ possible |
| 09:15.31 | jcook | SlayerXP: that will actually work ? |
| 09:15.47 | moebius | daaku, is that page a pdf file? |
| 09:15.49 | SlayerXP | jcook: depends what your definition of "work" is |
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| 09:16.21 | jcook | SlayerXP: meh ? |
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| 09:16.39 | SlayerXP | jcook: you asked if it was possible, to which the answer is "yes". |
| 09:16.53 | SlayerXP | jcook: whether that actually does what you want it to is another matter |
| 09:17.21 | jcook | SlayerXP: how can an alias half work ? |
| 09:17.33 | SlayerXP | alias? |
| 09:17.40 | jcook | eth0:1 |
| 09:17.59 | SlayerXP | jcook: learn to ask questions. |
| 09:18.23 | jcook | SlayerXP: yeah ... I never could get the nack of that |
| 09:18.27 | SlayerXP | what do you mean by "half work"? what does this have to do with your original question? |
| 09:18.27 | nailbiter | daaku: that can happen on a page containing DHTML, Flash or badly-written Javascript |
| 09:18.49 | SlayerXP | in short, wake up and ask sane questions, or be ridiculed. |
| 09:18.58 | SlayerXP | i'm easy either way. |
| 09:19.07 | jcook | SlayerXP: what did I say that was not sane? |
| 09:19.39 | nailbiter | _felipe_: have you tried the sarge floppy installer? i believe (but am not sure) that it can pull the base install over dialup .. |
| 09:19.44 | SlayerXP | jcook: you haven't in any way described your actual problem, yet you're asking extremely vague questions, ones to which you're not keen on the answer. |
| 09:19.59 | daaku | moebius: nope not a pdf file |
| 09:20.27 | daaku | nailbiter: no flash, but DHTML and Javascript for sure, i guess thats the problem |
| 09:20.42 | SlayerXP | !vagueness |
| 09:20.43 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 09:20.43 | jcook | SlayerXP: OK ... I didn't want to put out a lot of useless info but here goes |
| 09:21.16 | _felipe_ | un piño de weones peleando por weas, ja |
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| 09:21.31 | SlayerXP | jcook: before you do, read this: http://www.memetic.org/irc/149/ |
| 09:21.55 | nailbiter | _felipe_: #debian-es speaks spanish. :) |
| 09:22.08 | _felipe_ | aweonao |
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| 09:22.50 | jcook | SlayerXP: I have asked for more IP's for my new server. The hosting dude told me to just specify the IP's ... and use a netmask of 255.255.255.255 ... I just wanted to know if having zero bits assined to the network will actually work (these extra IP's will be assigned ontop of eth0 ... as in eth0:1) |
| 09:23.16 | SlayerXP | jcook: what happened when you tried doing what he said? |
| 09:23.24 | Stian^_- | my usb mouse hangs up when im using kde 3.3 |
| 09:23.33 | Stian^_- | anyone who know the problem? |
| 09:24.08 | jcook | SlayerXP: I haven't yet ... I asked the question first ... id rather know WHY it works ... not just accept that it does |
| 09:24.41 | jcook | I have this odd tendancy to actually want to learn something |
| 09:25.29 | SlayerXP | jcook: I may be being dumb here but why not try it. then you have two great ways forward 1) It works, so you then ask _why_ it works. 2) It doesn't work, in which case you ask your network guy to help you. |
| 09:25.39 | rdancer | is it possible to wire an AT power supply to give me 19 volts? |
| 09:25.46 | SlayerXP | either way, I fail to see what this has to do with debian |
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| 09:25.59 | SlayerXP | rdancer: de ja vu :) |
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| 09:26.14 | rdancer | SlayerXP: heh. yeah |
| 09:26.17 | jcook | SlayerXP: I dont want ask him ... cause last time he gave me IP's which weren't even on the network |
| 09:26.17 | Beccara | what do i do when i try and go dpkg- --purge package it it wont purge |
| 09:26.41 | rdancer | jcook: time to boot a new network admin... |
| 09:26.54 | SlayerXP | jcook: sack him and hire someone competent |
| 09:27.19 | SlayerXP | jcook: my opinion is that it won't work, you may have some funky network infrastructure which allows it to do so. |
| 09:27.19 | jcook | he doesn't work for me ... I have a server in his/their datacenter ... ded hsot |
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| 09:27.23 | rdancer | Beccara: you tell us the error it gave you |
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| 09:28.30 | rdancer | jcook: time to look for a datacentre with competent stuff... |
| 09:28.40 | zeeble | pair.com |
| 09:28.49 | jcook | in euro |
| 09:28.51 | rdancer | jcook: /32 netmask is basically your own box thingy |
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| 09:29.44 | Nwallins | having trouble getting wireless working on sarge.. D-Link DWL-122 USB adapter: http://forums.devshed.com/t220200/s.html |
| 09:30.22 | rdancer | jcook: no other machine can see what netmask you have specified. linux is fine with any netmask from /0 to /32, iirc. you just will have to specify the routes manually, that's all |
| 09:30.38 | rdancer | !tell Nwallins about doesn't work |
| 09:30.56 | Nwallins | thanks rdancer, but the link has the specifics |
| 09:31.00 | Nwallins | i can paste if you want |
| 09:31.03 | SlayerXP | rdancer: I can think of at least one way it could work. |
| 09:31.09 | rdancer | Nwallins: a-ha |
| 09:31.10 | SlayerXP | not pretty, but it _could_ work |
| 09:31.19 | rdancer | Nwallins: now it's specific enough;-) |
| 09:31.31 | rdancer | SlayerXP: heureka! |
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| 09:31.50 | rdancer | SlayerXP: i've heard it could work, but i'm no ee |
| 09:31.57 | jcook | rdancer: is "netmask" just a thingo for the route cmd ? |
| 09:32.04 | rdancer | SlayerXP: in fact, i'm not anywhere near one e 8-) |
| 09:33.02 | Stian^_- | i am using kde 3.3 and kernel 2.6.8, and my mouse keeps hanging... the mouse is a usb-mouse and it starts working again if i unplugg it and plugg it in again... anyone? |
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| 09:33.30 | rdancer | jcook: afaik, netmask is just for the routing subsystem to automate the routes specifying: all the subnet gets routed thru that interface, and the network stack ``knows'' those IPs are on the same logical link (so ARP requests are made, etc). |
| 09:33.37 | jcook | Stian^_-: your not using any cifs mounts are you? |
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| 09:33.47 | Beccara | dpkg: error processing dbmail-pgsql (--purge): |
| 09:33.47 | dpkg | Beccara: i don't know |
| 09:33.47 | Beccara | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.48 | Beccara | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.48 | Beccara | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:33.48 | Beccara | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:34.07 | Stian^_- | jcook, cifs mounts what is that? ... i don't think so.. |
| 09:34.10 | Beccara | whops |
| 09:34.17 | rdancer | jcook: /32 netmask effectively disables this; which is reasonable for secondary IPs |
| 09:34.25 | rdancer | s/is/can be/ |
| 09:34.31 | jcook | Stian^_-: dont worry bout it then .... it wouldn't be that |
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| 09:34.56 | Beccara | rdancer the paclage error is in #flood |
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| 09:35.26 | rdancer | Nwallins: does iwconfig wlan0 show the AP's MAC address? |
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| 09:35.39 | Nwallins | it just says 'no extensions' |
| 09:35.55 | rdancer | !tell Nwallins about eror |
| 09:36.29 | Nwallins | like i said, it's a dual-boot... be back in a sec |
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| 09:36.50 | rdancer | wo-hoo dual-boot may-hem! |
| 09:36.57 | rdancer | SlayerXP: ? |
| 09:37.06 | SlayerXP | rdancer: ? |
| 09:37.14 | Nwallins | yeah.. at least i can connect w/ XP |
| 09:37.18 | rdancer | SlayerXP: which way? |
| 09:37.26 | rdancer | Nwallins: that was quick |
| 09:37.52 | SlayerXP | rdancer: one to one NAT with a switch that had to hardware rewriting of ethernet frames to munge MAC addresses |
| 09:37.53 | rdancer | Nwallins: good. so now we know the AP is transmitting *something*. |
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| 09:38.04 | SlayerXP | that can do |
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| 09:38.20 | Beccara | so anyideas how i can fix this bung package? |
| 09:38.29 | Nwallins | rdancer: yeah.. i havenm |
| 09:38.33 | Nwallins | haven't rebooted yet |
| 09:38.41 | Nwallins | <in xp now> |
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| 09:38.48 | rdancer | SlayerXP: whoa? i thought you knew how to get those 19Volts 8-) |
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| 09:39.07 | rdancer | Beccara: i wasn't in #flood then, you'll have to repaste |
| 09:39.09 | SlayerXP | tercerob11: you're messaging me because you want to pay for private consultancy? |
| 09:39.31 | rdancer | !tell tercerob11 about msg |
| 09:39.33 | Beccara | done |
| 09:39.39 | rdancer | Beccara: ok |
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| 09:39.58 | rdancer | ~info dbmail-pgsql |
| 09:40.12 | SlayerXP | tercerob11: if so, I'll need you to have 1000ukp on account before we start |
| 09:40.19 | rdancer | Beccara: this^ version? |
| 09:40.44 | Beccara | yeah |
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| 09:42.08 | rdancer | Beccara: use apt-get instead. dpkg is not meant to be used directly |
| 09:42.29 | Beccara | whats apt-gets purge command? |
| 09:42.33 | rdancer | Beccara: i.e.: apt-get --purge remove dbmail-psql |
| 09:42.44 | Beccara | ta |
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| 09:43.14 | rdancer | Beccara: you might have to install it first, then purge it, if it's sufficiently broken |
| 09:43.27 | Nwallins | rdancer: `iwconfig wlan0` = 'wlan0 no wireless extensions' |
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| 09:46.17 | tercerob11 | HELLO |
| 09:46.23 | tercerob11 | I´M FROM SPAIN |
| 09:46.31 | Nwallins | no need to shout, amigo |
| 09:46.36 | tercerob11 | I´M LEARNING ENGLISH |
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| 09:47.15 | Om | Lesson #1: Take off Caps Lock |
| 09:48.24 | pingouin | :) |
| 09:48.26 | DeeJay\ | Lesson #2: I think think ppl care where you're from |
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| 09:48.39 | DeeJay\ | dont care* |
| 09:48.40 | DeeJay\ | :| |
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| 09:48.48 | DeeJay\ | gah |
| 09:48.49 | DeeJay\ | :| |
| 09:49.21 | priest | is it possible to see -when- a debian packages was created? |
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| 09:51.12 | karsten | priest: /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 09:51.41 | Nwallins | rdancer: wlan0 no wireless extensions.. does that tell you anything? |
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| 09:55.17 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 09:55.31 | karsten | priest: ...that should show you the full history of the package, including initial packaging date. |
| 09:55.36 | karsten | !hi gypsymauro |
| 09:55.37 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai gypsymauro! |
| 09:55.48 | gypsymauro | I'm connected via ssh to a PC how I can make its speaker beep? (not mine:) |
| 09:55.48 | herati | How do I find the kernel source for kernel 2.6.8.1-686....is this the same as 2.6.8? |
| 09:56.00 | gypsymauro | dpkg: sai? |
| 09:56.01 | dpkg | gypsymauro: bugger all, i dunno |
| 09:56.08 | sami | is here nfs-users how can help me with uid problem with nfs share? |
| 09:56.18 | stew | herati: no, when you see a -1 it means that debian has patched it |
| 09:56.28 | karsten | gypsymauro: 'play <foo>' where foo is some audio file. |
| 09:56.32 | stew | herati: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-1 |
| 09:56.58 | karsten | gypsymauro: If you want to use the system beep, not entirely sure. |
| 09:56.59 | herati | So, if I do a apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8, I won't get the correct patched version? |
| 09:57.02 | valdyn_ | herati: apt-cache search kernel-source, and its sure not containing "686" |
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| 09:57.37 | priest | there was an kernel-exploit for 2 weeks ago, it seems that isn't fixed in the kernel-source-2.4.19 in woody? |
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| 09:57.51 | tosh | does anyone know of a 2.6 debian install cd? |
| 09:58.06 | gypsymauro | tangent3: karsten |
| 09:58.10 | EstupendoCero | Hi, I have a stupid n00b question, anyone wanna help me out? |
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| 09:58.17 | SlayerXP | EstupendoCero: no. |
| 09:58.19 | gypsymauro | tosh: write linux26 at boot |
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| 09:58.34 | EstupendoCero | okay, well thanx anyway. |
| 09:58.49 | valdyn_ | !tell EstupendoCero about ask |
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| 09:59.05 | tosh | gypsymauro using the normal installcd? |
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| 09:59.31 | gypsymauro | tosh: yes |
| 09:59.34 | Nurbs | tosh: yes, except with woody. |
| 09:59.38 | Gumby | if I build a kernel on another machine do the compiler versions have to be the same? does anything specific need to be exactly the same? |
| 09:59.44 | SlayerXP | EstupendoCero: we only answe intelligent questions. |
| 09:59.47 | gypsymauro | tosh: I suppose you are talking about sarge |
| 09:59.47 | Nurbs | Gumby: no |
| 09:59.54 | tosh | Nurbs I have the woody 3.0 rc4 disc :( |
| 10:00.00 | valdyn_ | tosh: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 10:00.20 | Gumby | Nurbs: thx |
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| 10:00.36 | Nurbs | Gumby: only if you build some additional modules or anything they should use the same compiler |
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| 10:01.22 | tosh | gypsymauro thnx |
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| 10:02.54 | Gumby | Nurbs: I basically need to build a kernel on a pc and then xfer it over because I need scsi support in the kernel. the other pc is much faster so I'd like to use it. all kernel modules that are being built into the kernel are stock modules. do you see anything potentially wrong with this? |
| 10:03.49 | EstupendoCero | okay, well, I am trying to set the video mode on my monitor. I don't have the doc for it. In research, I found that SVGATextMode might do it (though it doesn't sound right), but that tool isn't installed on my system. I'd appreciate any help. |
| 10:04.09 | Shadur | Gumby: Sounds like exactly the kind of thing kernel-package was created for |
| 10:04.15 | Shadur | ~tell Gumby about kp |
| 10:04.26 | Nurbs | Gumby: no |
| 10:04.31 | jethro | EstupendoCero: how bout you apt-get install it then? |
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| 10:04.45 | Nurbs | Gumby: and yes, you should use make-kpkg :) |
| 10:06.02 | EstupendoCero | jethro: because that would make too much sense. ;) I'll go try that. |
| 10:06.04 | EstupendoCero | thanks |
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| 10:10.13 | bin11 | I'm getting some error messages related to kdmrc after updating to kde 3.3.1, related to X permissions, can someone help? error message (and links to kdmrc files): www.toolcounter.com/error.html |
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| 10:11.40 | valdyn_ | bin11: use sux instead of su |
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| 10:12.38 | asac | hi, how do i enable hyperthreading in 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:12.40 | bin11 | what is difference? man sux shows nothing, su worked prior to upgrading kde? thanks? |
| 10:12.43 | Zetabyte | does anyone know what debian packages i need to install to use apache 1.3 as a reverse-proxy? |
| 10:12.53 | EstupendoCero | apt-get install can't find package SVGATextMode... am I doing something wrong? |
| 10:13.14 | valdyn_ | bin11: that error has nothing to do with kde, as synaptic has nothing to do with kde |
| 10:13.25 | zeeble | EstupendoCero: what are you trying to install? |
| 10:13.36 | bin11 | error is appearing with other apps as well, same error, ktimer |
| 10:13.48 | bin11 | trying to run ktimer after su'ing |
| 10:14.04 | jethro | EstupendoCero: apt-cache search svgatextmode then pick the right package name, then apt-get install <package name just picked> |
| 10:14.21 | EstupendoCero | zeeble: the tool SVGATextMode, but only as a (possible) fix to set my video mode |
| 10:14.27 | EstupendoCero | thanks jethro |
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| 10:14.38 | jethro | yw |
| 10:15.10 | bin11 | from what I googled, a kdm setting is preventing su-root from transferring rights to X from the regular user's bash session, |
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| 10:15.24 | analogx | hello |
| 10:15.35 | analogx | i've a trouble with apache-ssl and php4 |
| 10:15.35 | valdyn_ | bin11: is sux working? |
| 10:15.37 | bin11 | but since old kdmrc is so different from new kdmrc, I'm lost as to which setting is wrong |
| 10:15.52 | analogx | i've made apache-modconf apache-ssl enable mod_php4 |
| 10:16.06 | zhouwei | i can't install the libgtk2.0 because the libxft2 is confict, how to solve it? |
| 10:16.07 | analogx | but php files are not analyzed |
| 10:16.18 | analogx | webserver wants me to dl them |
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| 10:16.25 | analogx | any idea |
| 10:16.41 | analogx | webserver headers seem good : |
| 10:16.50 | analogx | [Tue Jan 18 12:15:15 2005] [notice] Apache/1.3.33 Ben-SSL/1.55 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-2 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 10:16.57 | zhouwei | analogx, i think you can try to modify the httpd.conf |
| 10:17.03 | bin11 | valdyn_, I've tried "sux" at command line, get bash: sux: command not found |
| 10:17.15 | analogx | zhouwei, hello, i've modified it |
| 10:17.16 | EstupendoCero | jethro: apt-cache search svgatextmode returns nothing |
| 10:17.22 | valdyn_ | bin11: apt-get install sux |
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| 10:17.46 | jethro | EstupendoCero: are you on woody? sarge? |
| 10:17.46 | EstupendoCero | strike that |
| 10:17.47 | valdyn_ | !sux |
| 10:17.48 | dpkg | methinks sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 10:17.50 | jethro | EstupendoCero: svgatextmode - Enable higher resolution text modes |
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| 10:17.58 | EstupendoCero | never mind, case sensitivity |
| 10:18.04 | EstupendoCero | fixed it |
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| 10:18.18 | zhouwei | you can google it |
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| 10:19.13 | horrovac | Anyone with clue on samba and NT ACL -> POSIX ACL mapping here? |
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| 10:20.02 | tuxillo | hello! :D |
| 10:20.28 | tuxillo | any soundcard with 5.1 features that works great on linux? |
| 10:20.43 | tuxillo | i'm buying one but i'm not sure which one :-/ |
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| 10:21.33 | snakeman_ | hello all |
| 10:21.53 | snakeman_ | do we have a gui for creating debian packages yet |
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| 10:22.17 | jethro | tuxillo: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?q=linux+sound+card+5.1 |
| 10:22.27 | snakeman_ | I did |
| 10:22.33 | snakeman_ | thanks for the help |
| 10:22.48 | snakeman_ | so the answer is no |
| 10:23.14 | snakeman_ | thanks |
| 10:23.24 | valdyn_ | snakeman_: the answer is "alot" but see what jethro said |
| 10:24.46 | EstupendoCero | well, it seems that not only is SVGATextMode /not/ the tool I wanted, but it breaks my display. |
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| 10:25.45 | tuxillo | jethro: you should have written alsa-project.org and it would have been a l337 answer |
| 10:25.51 | valdyn_ | tuxillo: ops,the answer is "alot" but see what jethro said |
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| 10:26.24 | EstupendoCero | both my previously open virtual terminals now have a band of gibberish accross the bottom, and the rest are blank |
| 10:26.45 | EstupendoCero | reset doesn't fix them |
| 10:26.58 | jerome | hum, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc contains X -nolisten tcp, but however netstat -atp says : tcp 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN, any idea ? BTW, I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common so that only console users can start X, I cannot find the file dpkf-reconfigure updates. |
| 10:27.03 | jerome | any idea ? |
| 10:27.12 | tuxillo | valdyn_: that's a lot of soundcards that use the same alsa module, so if in a channel of 700+ people someone has one that works nasty, he would say "don't buy this one, but that one bla bla bla" |
| 10:27.14 | jethro | tuxillo: I didn't have to be part of the alsa-project to figure out which card I should or not buy, it's a question of being able to think and look for info |
| 10:27.32 | jethro | tuxillo: you are off topic, so please stfu |
| 10:27.34 | bin11 | valdyn_ thanks, sux works. I'll figure out problem with my kdmrc at a later date. Thanks again. |
| 10:27.47 | patap | hey all |
| 10:27.50 | jethro | tuxillo: go ask #alsa folks |
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| 10:28.33 | tuxillo | jethro: to be able to think is relative, and i'm not off-topic, i'm just asking |
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| 10:28.36 | yam | I cannot get sarge installer floppy images to work |
| 10:28.38 | horrovac | Anyone with samba experience here? |
| 10:28.38 | yam | it always hang |
| 10:28.45 | Guerin | horrovac: no. |
| 10:28.46 | jethro | tuxillo: this aint debian related AT ALL so yes you are |
| 10:28.53 | Guerin | yam: #debian-boot |
| 10:28.54 | horrovac | Guerin, Yes, I see... |
| 10:29.00 | yam | Guerin: ok bud |
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| 10:29.05 | tuxillo | jethro: debian linux, that's what i'm using, so not so off-topic |
| 10:29.05 | Guerin | mmm |
| 10:29.06 | Guerin | bud |
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| 10:29.33 | Guerin | tuxillo: actually, all hardware support is in-kernel; so you are offtopic. |
| 10:29.41 | jethro | tuxillo: you are supposed to be given support on debian related problems, like debian ways of building kernels, how to install this or that, hardware support IS off topic |
| 10:29.41 | Guerin | though that's hardly unusual here |
| 10:30.03 | Guerin | tuxillo: if in doubt, buy a SBlive |
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| 10:30.17 | tuxillo | jethro: I bet all of you are making off-topics a lot of times ;) |
| 10:30.19 | jethro | tuxillo: if in doubt, go ask #alsa folks, they'll know |
| 10:30.22 | tuxillo | Guerin: thank you ;) |
| 10:30.38 | tuxillo | jethro: i'm there, but no flies are flying there now x-D |
| 10:30.38 | jethro | tuxillo: I bet you are being as smart as that a lot of times as well |
| 10:30.43 | EstupendoCero | so new problem: after running SVGATextMode, both my previously-open virtual terminals have a 7-or8-character high band of junk across the bottom, and my other virtual terminals are blank. reset does not fix it. |
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| 10:30.49 | jethro | tuxillo: then wait and stop bothering us here |
| 10:31.23 | tuxillo | jethro: sometimes i'm smart, sometimes not |
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| 10:32.00 | codapas | . |
| 10:33.13 | EstupendoCero | crap. well, if nobody has any ideas, I'm going to reboot and cross my fingers. |
| 10:33.38 | Guerin | !bless EstupendoCero |
| 10:33.39 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child EstupendoCero, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 10:34.01 | EstupendoCero | haha thanks |
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| 10:34.16 | tuxillo | well, i'm done. thank you all, and I'm sorry for the inconvenience :) |
| 10:34.43 | chemaja | devil: $DEITY: unbound variable |
| 10:34.43 | chemaja | hrm |
| 10:34.56 | EstupendoCero | Guerin: you have a better idea? |
| 10:35.02 | jerome | grr |
| 10:35.18 | jerome | this nolisten tcp is really strange |
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| 10:35.40 | EstupendoCero | well here goes |
| 10:36.20 | jethro | jerome: it is intended to prevent network use of your x11 server |
| 10:36.28 | jethro | jerome: it's a default on debian |
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| 10:37.53 | miki | Hi guys, how can I rebuild a debian package I have installed? |
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| 10:39.17 | EstupendoCero | rebooting worked. yay voodoo |
| 10:39.18 | jethro | miki: apt-get source <package> then cd into the appropriate directory , then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot (you might want to vim debian/rules) |
| 10:39.52 | jethro | miki: you need deb-src entries in sources.list for apt-get source to work (man apt, man sources.list) |
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| 10:41.44 | jerome | jethro: sure, I know that, but check my latest post, I said netstat reports X11 listening on tcp from *.* |
| 10:41.50 | jerome | *:* |
| 10:42.09 | EstupendoCero | so, does anyone know off the top of their head how to configure video modes? I set the resolution too high at install and now GDM and gnome and such don't fill the screen. |
| 10:42.10 | jethro | jerome: sorry I misread then |
| 10:42.29 | EstupendoCero | I imagine it's something simple |
| 10:42.34 | miki | jethro: Thanx, but I think I didn't ask my question right. I have some packages of alpha softaware instaled on one computer that work fine, but when instaling a new computer the current versions don't work. I whant to packages the files Im currently using on my computer. |
| 10:42.36 | jethro | jerome: are you sure it's an IP socket? |
| 10:42.51 | jerome | jethro: no pb, do you know of any files that would have a antagonist effect on /etx/X11/xinit/xserverrc ? |
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| 10:43.19 | jethro | jerome: no idea |
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| 10:44.06 | jerome | damn |
| 10:44.21 | jerome | jethro: tcp 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN - |
| 10:44.24 | jethro | xdm/Xservers maybe |
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| 10:44.29 | jerome | brr |
| 10:44.45 | jethro | I have that in mine |
| 10:44.46 | jethro | xdm/Xservers::0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 10:44.52 | jethro | of course it would mean you use xdm :) |
| 10:45.00 | EstupendoCero | I'll look elsewhere. thanks so much for all the help, esp. jethro |
| 10:45.10 | jethro | EstupendoCero: no pb good luck |
| 10:45.14 | miki | EstupendoCero: xf86cfg it usually find a good screen conf. |
| 10:45.15 | EstupendoCero | thanks |
| 10:45.18 | jethro | EstupendoCero: |
| 10:45.27 | EstupendoCero | whoah whaoh |
| 10:45.29 | jethro | try vesa support for console |
| 10:45.42 | jethro | then append vga=ask to your boot command |
| 10:45.49 | jethro | be it with lilo or grub |
| 10:45.55 | jethro | then try the few modes |
| 10:46.08 | jethro | I don't know if it"s what you're asking but it seems it is :) |
| 10:47.00 | EstupendoCero | jethro: okay, I appended vga=ask to lilo, but it had no effect... what's this vesa support you speak of? |
| 10:47.03 | jerome | jethro: I do not use xdm. And my /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc is the same ... |
| 10:47.10 | EstupendoCero | (I appended earlier) |
| 10:47.47 | jethro | EstupendoCero: some kernel option |
| 10:48.02 | EstupendoCero | jethro: I mean, I tried appending my lilo config earlier, but it didn't work |
| 10:48.19 | jethro | EstupendoCero: did you run lilo after changing the conf? |
| 10:48.30 | miki | Estupendo, try runing xf86cfg |
| 10:48.39 | EstupendoCero | yeah, but I got an error message |
| 10:48.47 | EstupendoCero | miki, will do |
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| 10:48.49 | jethro | EstupendoCero: then fix the error :) |
| 10:49.03 | jethro | EstupendoCero: you want better resolution then 80x25 on console did I get it right? |
| 10:49.23 | jethro | cause it's basically what svgatextmode and/or the vga=ask would do |
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| 10:49.51 | ZyniX | isn't it gdm and gnome that's the problem ? |
| 10:49.55 | EstupendoCero | no, no, my console is fine, it's for my graphical stuff |
| 10:50.09 | EstupendoCero | I'm gonna try miki's suggestion real quick though, brb |
| 10:50.12 | jethro | EstupendoCero: then forget about svgatextmode and the vesa fb |
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| 10:50.30 | jethro | EstupendoCero: and /msg dpkg ask :) |
| 10:50.32 | ZyniX | EstupendoCero, then it's your x-server u have to configure... |
| 10:51.39 | EstupendoCero | dude, xf86cfg is exactly what I was looking for. |
| 10:51.43 | jethro | :) |
| 10:51.58 | felis | ~/msg dpkg acpi |
| 10:52.00 | jethro | EstupendoCero: don't forget to /msg dpkg ask for the next time you have something to ask :) |
| 10:52.02 | felis | oops |
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| 10:52.05 | petemc | EstupendoCero: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is the debian way |
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| 10:52.17 | nokia6000 | why does my elinks sux? how can i get color? http://elinks.or.cz/screenshots/index.html and http://elinks.or.cz/screenshots/google-news--2004-09-29.png |
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| 10:52.23 | jyr7 | ciao |
| 10:52.38 | nokia6000 | . |
| 10:52.51 | jyr7 | c'e' qualcuno? |
| 10:53.33 | EstupendoCero | well, thank you thank you thank you so much, I really appreciate your help |
| 10:53.38 | disc-q | i have big problems with the x server. but the log doesn't show any (EE). is it possible to copy the xfree config from knoppix( which works really great) to the debian installation? and are there any important things i have to be "careful" ? |
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| 10:53.53 | jethro | disc-q: just try and tell us |
| 10:54.12 | disc-q | jethro, perhabs somebody knows? |
| 10:54.13 | Nwallins | having trouble getting my wireless adapter working under sarge.. details here: http://forums.devshed.com/showthread.php?p=949893#post949893 |
| 10:54.31 | petemc | disc-q: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 10:54.34 | miki | Estupendo: Good to hear that |
| 10:54.35 | miki | :-) |
| 10:54.36 | jyr7 | i have a problem with a ATI 9000 with 128 mb e a debian woody.. there's someone that can help me? |
| 10:54.37 | Nwallins | using linux-wlan-ng on a D-Link DWL-122 |
| 10:54.50 | jethro | disc-q: perhaps you'll get a quicker answer if you try |
| 10:55.32 | KillerBunny | Ask the quistion jyr7 |
| 10:55.54 | jyr7 | i can't run kde... |
| 10:56.00 | directhex|work | jyr7, that card isn't supported by woody's x server. you need to install ati's properietary 3d driver, or upgrade to sarge, or use vesa |
| 10:56.05 | disc-q | petemc, jethro : thx |
| 10:56.11 | jethro | disc-q: yw |
| 10:56.33 | jyr7 | and where i can find the ati's proprietary 3d driver? |
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| 10:56.46 | jethro | jyr7: their website |
| 10:56.47 | Mage\wor1 | on the ati website ? |
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| 10:57.04 | directhex|work | !tell jyr7 about fglrx |
| 10:57.05 | jyr7 | i hope that isn't' necessary compile my kernel... |
| 10:57.10 | directhex|work | jyr7, it probably ids |
| 10:57.16 | jyr7 | :( |
| 10:57.20 | jyr7 | ok thank you |
| 10:57.29 | karsten | OT: I'm trying to find a reference to a security joke, runs along the lines: vulnerability announced. Microsoft denies. RH announces fix will be available, Debian announces fix *is* available, OpenBSD announces issue was preemptively avoided via code audit three years ago. Sound familiar to anyone? |
| 10:57.30 | directhex|work | jyr7, installing fglrx is complex & takes a while, if it works. and i don't know if there are any packages for woody |
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| 10:57.57 | jyr7 | thanks directhex|work |
| 10:58.34 | directhex|work | jyr7, if this is a desktop box, perhaps you should ask yourself if a mid-2002 distribution is appropriate, and whether sarge might be more to your liking |
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| 10:58.55 | jyr7 | yes it is a desktop |
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| 10:59.02 | fitel | excuse me is there any difference from bzImage and a vmlinuz? |
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| 10:59.20 | fitel | from/between |
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| 11:00.34 | directhex|work | jyr7, so perhaps you shoud consider running sarge? woody's not designed to run on any hardware made after mid 2002, and all its packages are versions from mid 2002 |
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| 11:01.25 | jyr7 | i wanted woody because i would like a stable linux-box... |
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| 11:01.30 | patap | jethro, hey |
| 11:01.40 | patap | jethro, u a tull fan? |
| 11:01.50 | jethro | I grew up with it |
| 11:02.00 | patap | u grew up with what? |
| 11:02.04 | patap | Jethro Tull? |
| 11:02.19 | jethro | yes |
| 11:02.31 | patap | im 16, and im a fan |
| 11:02.46 | patap | i finally saw live footage of them in 1978 |
| 11:02.48 | directhex|work | jyr7, sarge and even sid are orders of magnitude more stable than most of the "stable" distributions available |
| 11:03.11 | fitel | i have some doubts. |
| 11:04.05 | jyr7 | ok i will try |
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| 11:04.32 | jethro | patap: please don't /msg me |
| 11:04.38 | mtnman | patap: i saw tull at msg in 78 |
| 11:04.45 | jethro | even if we both like tull :) |
| 11:04.48 | patap | jethro, sorry |
| 11:04.55 | patap | mtnman, uve been to a concert!! |
| 11:05.10 | patap | jethro, ive never spoken to a real tull fan |
| 11:05.19 | mtnman | patap: yes, i have even seen them twice. |
| 11:05.27 | patap | mtnman, can i msg u! |
| 11:05.33 | fitel | lol |
| 11:05.40 | patap | lol |
| 11:05.58 | patap | mtnman and jethro, u reckon u guys would like to join up with me and do a tull site? |
| 11:05.59 | mtnman | patap: let's keep it in the channel. |
| 11:06.06 | patap | mtnman, sure |
| 11:06.15 | analogx | i find my trouble, i've cleared forefox cache ... |
| 11:06.15 | patap | mtnman, where u from? |
| 11:06.16 | jethro | patap: no thanks, I m already quite busy :p |
| 11:06.23 | mtnman | colorado usa. |
| 11:06.26 | patap | jethro, no porbs :) |
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| 11:06.42 | patap | mtnman, i live in australia and im soo glad they r coming here later this year |
| 11:07.45 | jethro | heh |
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| 11:08.02 | patap | jethro, where u from |
| 11:08.06 | jethro | paris france |
| 11:08.10 | patap | ahhh |
| 11:08.21 | patap | ive heard that they did a really good set there |
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| 11:08.55 | patap | mtnman, u wanna do a site with me? |
| 11:09.11 | dave | hi |
| 11:09.14 | mtnman | patap: no thank you. |
| 11:09.21 | patap | mtnman, ok... |
| 11:09.32 | patap | mtnman, whats he like in concert these days? slowish? |
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| 11:10.06 | Nwallins | who? Jethro? lol |
| 11:10.18 | patap | Nwallins, ? |
| 11:10.20 | mtnman | patap: well, since i told you that i saw tull in 78, i am not able to answer your question. |
| 11:10.23 | Nwallins | Jethro was a 19th? century farmer |
| 11:10.33 | Nwallins | it's just the band name |
| 11:10.44 | jethro | Nwallins: jethro was in the bible as well |
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| 11:10.51 | patap | open at page one? |
| 11:10.54 | Nwallins | jethro: jethro tull? |
| 11:10.58 | patap | yes |
| 11:11.06 | jethro | Nwallins: jethro tull is a band name, leader is ian anderson |
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| 11:11.27 | patap | jethro, it aint actually a band |
| 11:11.32 | toresbe | okay |
| 11:11.44 | patap | jethro, there is 3 members but they use different keyboard players and such for gigs |
| 11:11.56 | patap | whats ya'll favourite tull song? |
| 11:11.59 | directhex|work | guys, could you BE further offtopic? |
| 11:12.03 | toresbe | okay! I'm switching to mutt! |
| 11:12.06 | Nwallins | jethro: that was my point. 'Jethro Tull' is a reference to the inventor of the seed drill |
| 11:12.17 | jethro | oh ok misread you |
| 11:12.17 | ideafix | distro wars is an article about linux format "distrowars" but i cant seem to find the article in linux format site ! |
| 11:12.18 | patap | Nwallins, u r correct |
| 11:12.26 | pingouin | toresbe: yeah ! mutt rox ;) |
| 11:12.31 | patap | Nwallins, thats where they got their name from |
| 11:12.36 | ideafix | distrowatch is an article about linux format "distrowars" but i cant seem to find the article in linux format site ! |
| 11:12.42 | directhex|work | ideafix, it's in the latest edition of the magazine |
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| 11:13.33 | SlayerXP | ideafix: debian won the distro war |
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| 11:13.39 | patap | has the tull talk finished lol |
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| 11:13.43 | toresbe | pingouin: It doesn't work with POP? |
| 11:13.50 | directhex|work | SlayerXP, it came joint 4th. it was something of a pointless exercise anyway |
| 11:13.51 | ideafix | i folwed the distrowatch link and all i got was something about suse 9.2 being release for free |
| 11:13.51 | jethro | toresbe: it does |
| 11:14.04 | toresbe | cool |
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| 11:14.24 | toresbe | oh, man... I think I made the best deal in my life when I bought this record set |
| 11:14.26 | ideafix | acordinglly debian come 4th same has yellow dog |
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| 11:14.52 | toresbe | 8 dollars, 9 records, the Smithsonian collection of Classic Jazz... |
| 11:14.54 | brynjarh | test |
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| 11:15.01 | toresbe | brynjarh: Du er ikke online |
| 11:15.10 | brynjarh | I am not online? |
| 11:15.24 | brynjarh | :) |
| 11:15.29 | toresbe | brynjarh: No, your comments only reach Norway |
| 11:15.40 | toresbe | People not in Norway, did you get brynjarh's messages? |
| 11:15.54 | brynjarh | wtf |
| 11:16.08 | jethro | I did |
| 11:16.16 | toresbe | jethro: Oh, get a joke! :P |
| 11:16.21 | jethro | :) |
| 11:16.26 | jahi | hi, maybe someone knows that: is there an abbrevation to "for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ; do ..."? |
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| 11:16.28 | brynjarh | I'm connected to my computer from school through ssh and I'm using xchat-text.. |
| 11:16.31 | findme | my travelling brain is in norway, does that count. |
| 11:16.38 | jethro | jahi: man seq |
| 11:16.51 | jethro | jahi: for f in `seq n m`; do |
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| 11:17.00 | jahi | ah :D thx! |
| 11:17.09 | sfrank | hi all |
| 11:17.22 | brynjarh | hi sfrank |
| 11:17.23 | toresbe | findme: No, unless your brain is locally attached. |
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| 11:18.12 | KjetilK | really weird stuff, I wonder if there is something wrong with my gcc or linker |
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| 11:18.21 | toresbe | 22657 root 25 0 3876 1220 1000 R 94.6 0.5 1298:20 alsamixer |
| 11:18.26 | toresbe | what teh foook? |
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| 11:18.48 | Plork | hi there: does anyone know how do decrypt the new DRM based wmv files ? |
| 11:18.55 | dutchie | hi people, i got a weird problem, i can ping everything in my network, accept for the debian server, the debian server can ping everything, except for itself (not even localhost ping), i can ssh to the server, and it does route some internet traffic .. anyone got a clue whats wrong ? |
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| 11:19.12 | KjetilK | My gcc -v says gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5) |
| 11:19.24 | KjetilK | but a friend of mine says he has 3.3.5-6 |
| 11:19.26 | suidik | dutchie: denied ICMP traffic ? |
| 11:19.26 | Plork | dutchie: it might be set not to reply to pings |
| 11:19.42 | KjetilK | but we should both have the most recent sarge... |
| 11:19.54 | dutchie | suidik / Plork : it should not, but where could i find that ? |
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| 11:20.20 | Plork | dutchie: what r u using for a firewall ? just iptables ? |
| 11:20.30 | dutchie | Plork : iptables, no firewall |
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| 11:21.24 | Plork | flood: can you post your startup script somewhere for me ? (regarding iptables) |
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| 11:21.37 | dutchie | Plork: and this workstation can connect to some parts off the internet, but not all, the other workstation cant ssh to server even .. |
| 11:22.14 | Plork | dutchie: how good r u with iptables scripts ? |
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| 11:24.02 | G400 | Anyone getting hard lock-ups (no SSH) when running screensavers and not much else? I get nothing in the logs either. How do I diagnose this problem? Are there any kernel debugging options I could try? Any links on debugging in general? |
| 11:24.08 | dutchie | hmm, where did plork go :( |
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| 11:25.15 | directhex|work | G400, all screensavers? |
| 11:25.39 | directhex|work | G400, as it happens, i've had 3 hard lockups on a system which was idling, whilst on the hypercube screen saver |
| 11:25.44 | G400 | directhex: no ,just random screensavers - gnome seems to cycle through them all |
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| 11:26.39 | G400 | There have been at least half a dozen different screensavers that have frozen |
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| 11:29.20 | ToMMY2ooo | hey, Ive got an impending HD failure for my main os. I have a spare drive on order for the first thing tomorow. I need some help backing up to this new drive...is there a method that I could use to mirror the faulty drive then retire the faulty drive |
| 11:29.35 | dutchie | hi people, i got a weird problem, i can ping everything in my network, accept for the debian server, the debian server can ping everything, except for itself (not even localhost ping), i can ssh to the server, and it does route some internet traffic .. anyone got a clue whats wrong ? |
| 11:30.03 | vulture | dutchie: dodgy firewall rules I assume.. |
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| 11:30.16 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 11:30.25 | _ZyniX | dutchie, you have to allow icmp in you iptable |
| 11:30.39 | dutchie | with what line could i allow icmp in iptables ? |
| 11:31.28 | zynix_ | dunno, sorry... |
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| 11:31.41 | raghu | how to find version of package?? |
| 11:31.52 | stew | Nwallins: do you know if that card is even supported? |
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| 11:32.04 | G400 | dutchie: you should post your rules somewhere for people to look over. Plus /etc/hosts, routing etc. etc. This is probably a forum type question |
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| 11:32.10 | ledet | raghu: dpkg -l packagename |
| 11:32.23 | Nwallins | stew: I am not 100% sure, but it is a prism2 chip, and linux-wlan-ng supports prism2 chips over usb |
| 11:33.02 | raghu | ledet: if it not installed yet to install means....? |
| 11:33.09 | dutchie | in /etc/hosts is only a line for 127.0.0.1 dexter localhost |
| 11:33.50 | ledet | raghu: apt-cache show packagename |
| 11:34.15 | raghu | ledet: it shows package...not version |
| 11:35.17 | ledet | raghu: apt-cache show gcc gives me Version: 4:3.3.5-1 |
| 11:35.31 | ledet | raghu: but that might not be version enough for you? |
| 11:35.36 | dutchie | G400 : oke, problem is http and stuff is just vagely working .. cant really connect to anything to post it .. |
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| 11:36.00 | raghu | ledet: cant say ...dude |
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| 11:36.15 | fmarostica | morning! |
| 11:36.46 | stew | raghu: what version of debian are you runnign? |
| 11:37.01 | G400 | dutchie: iptables -p icmp -h |
| 11:37.08 | fmarostica | Why courier-pop dont work fine with exim 4.34 (sarge) + Maildir? |
| 11:37.11 | raghu | ledet: yes sorry..i got |
| 11:37.19 | G400 | that will list the various types |
| 11:37.27 | raghu | ledet: dude....i gave search instaed of show |
| 11:37.44 | raghu | stew: sorry...dedian sarge |
| 11:37.47 | ledet | raghu: ok dude... you should pay attention to what people write then dude :) |
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| 11:38.09 | ledet | fmarostica: perhaps exim doesnt like maildir? |
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| 11:38.30 | raghu | ledet: cool i am learning things like this.....:)...do not feell bad |
| 11:38.39 | ledet | raghu: i dont :) |
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| 11:39.05 | raghu | ledet: cool .....thx |
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| 11:40.19 | dutchie | G400 : owkee .. did that .. now got confused .. hmm |
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| 11:40.39 | stallman | Hey all, i really need some install help... |
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| 11:40.45 | G400 | dutchie: in case your rules use type numbers not names, echo request (ping) is type 8, which you should allow if you want your host to reply |
| 11:40.59 | SlayerXP | stallman: then you really need to ask your clear and concise question. |
| 11:41.14 | stallman | I dl'ed the latest sarge netinstall iso burned it to cd but it doesn't boot. where do I go from here |
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| 11:41.23 | clusty | hey |
| 11:41.43 | stallman | it has all the files on it and passed md5sum check |
| 11:41.48 | clusty | do you know any mp3 player under linux that supports resampling to 48khz (besides xmms)? |
| 11:41.52 | SlayerXP | stallman: did you verify the image before burning it? can the CD boot in another machine? |
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| 11:41.54 | Nwallins | stallman: BIOS.. make sure CD is the first drive in the boot order |
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| 11:42.25 | stallman | no i cannot boot in another machine, yes I verified with MD5sum prior to burning |
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| 11:42.41 | dutchie | G400 : well .. weird part is not that it only doesnt reply to ping .. but also stopped routing. |
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| 11:43.00 | stallman | I have that done also. in fact I changed all devices for boot to CD ROM |
| 11:43.02 | fflush | any loosers , like me here has broadcom 802.11g mini-pci card on toshiba satellite here? |
| 11:43.26 | sess | for some reason my sound card isn't being detected. I've compiled in support for it (sound blaster audigy, using emu10k1 driver) |
| 11:43.32 | sess | it shows upin the kernel messages |
| 11:43.40 | sess | but cat /dev/sndstat says no device |
| 11:44.07 | stallman | If I boot into Linux Mandrake on the PC can I start the install from there? |
| 11:44.13 | G400 | dutchie: how are you able to irc without also being able to research problem on google? |
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| 11:44.30 | SlayerXP | stallman: can you boot any other CD in that machine? |
| 11:44.39 | clusty | sess: exacly which model is it? |
| 11:44.45 | Guerin | stallman: you shouldn't use mandrake; it potentially contains non-free software |
| 11:44.57 | stallman | yes. I can boot a woody 3.0r3 cd1 |
| 11:44.59 | sess | when I cat /var/log/messages |grep emu10k1 |
| 11:44.59 | sess | Jan 18 06:30:46 alphabits kernel: emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 7 model 0x8064 found, IO at 0x2800-0x281f, IRQ 11 |
| 11:44.59 | sess | Jan 18 06:30:46 alphabits kernel: emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected |
| 11:45.01 | Guerin | but I'm sure you know that already |
| 11:45.02 | dutchie | G400 : it really beats the crap out off me .. i can ssh to the server .. so in that ssh i am now chatting .. this computer can reach SOME internet .. but my realy workstation isnt even able to do a single thing .. ! |
| 11:45.15 | SlayerXP | sess you win the Useless Use Of Pipe award |
| 11:45.33 | SlayerXP | stallman: then your netinstall CD is corrupt, try again |
| 11:45.34 | GoD_SPeeD | when trying to install php4-gd, it keeps telling my that it depends on zendapi-20010901 , following a line like "You should explicitly select one to install." , but there are no packages displayed... |
| 11:45.47 | sess | guerin: sound blaster audigy |
| 11:45.50 | stallman | What do you think Guerin... Burn another CD |
| 11:45.53 | dutchie | G400 : some lamer uses my server for some mail stuff, changed some stuff 2 weeks back, then want to afghanistan for the army .. and i guess he mocked up something .. |
| 11:46.11 | sess | slayer: whats my prize? A little help getting my sound config working? |
| 11:46.16 | dutchie | G400 : problem is i dont know WHAT he mocked up |
| 11:46.20 | G400 | dutchie: do you also have a browser on the box you are sshed into? lynx? |
| 11:46.30 | dutchie | G400 : i do .. yes |
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| 11:46.42 | dutchie | console only .. but still |
| 11:46.48 | Guerin | stallman: if it doesn't boot on another arbitrary box, it's probably the iso or your method of burning it |
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| 11:47.25 | G400 | dutchie: I would try using it :) |
| 11:47.36 | stallman | ok, I'll reburn with Nero... any suggestions on settings? |
| 11:47.54 | Guerin | stallman: you know you have to burn as an image, right? |
| 11:48.04 | stallman | of course |
| 11:48.06 | Guerin | stallman: not just burn the iso file to cd... |
| 11:48.17 | Guerin | ok, you'd be surprised how often that comes up |
| 11:48.25 | stallman | I believe it |
| 11:48.30 | dutchie | looking at the date .. he changed my iptables .. so i better find myself a script or an example to generate a new one .. |
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| 11:49.04 | stallman | guerin.. Is there a way to start the installation from inside a booted linux box? |
| 11:49.13 | Guerin | stallman: /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 11:49.51 | G400 | dutchie: there are goog how-tos. If you are Nat-protected with no port forwarding, you could always just take the whole thing down |
| 11:50.31 | stallman | ok. now what will that do for me there |
| 11:50.32 | dutchie | i tried a simple iptables -F half an hour ago .. but then it all stopped working |
| 11:50.38 | G400 | i.e if you have a router between your machines and the internet |
| 11:51.23 | stallman | i don't understand the /msg command |
| 11:51.39 | Guerin | stallman: you don't know how to do it, or you don't understand the output? |
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| 11:51.55 | stallman | I don't understand the output |
| 11:52.20 | Guerin | stallman: it's a link. Open it in a web browser and go from there. |
| 11:52.28 | Guerin | stallman: this is NOT the easy way. |
| 11:52.28 | sussudio | http://www.balticsww.com/stalin_world.htm#mp < Soviet Russia joke gone bad |
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| 11:52.59 | stallman | ok I'll try it |
| 11:53.03 | dutchie | G400 : naah, have the server between the adsl modem and the switch, so it is the router .. |
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| 11:53.34 | Guerin | stallman: you should also talk to the people in #debian-boot - they made the installer, so I expect they'll want to know when it doesn't work. |
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| 11:56.46 | dao | I can't get cd=writing to work, it's asks for scsi-cd-rom's but that not needed for the 2.6-kernel right? |
| 11:57.31 | G400 | dao: not needed, but possible if you have it set up that way |
| 11:57.42 | dutchie | G400 : nanged to get the iptables script online .. can i post a link to you in private ? |
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| 11:58.18 | dao | G400, but there is no module-ide-scsi? |
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| 11:58.24 | G400 | dutchie: ok |
| 11:58.38 | kanjugur | hi all |
| 11:58.57 | kanjugur | anyone around who wants to help with an exim4 prob;) |
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| 12:02.46 | dao | cdrecord -scanbus says "cannot open /dev/pg*.. cannot open scsi-driver"... so I might better try with scsi-emulation, although it is not needed (?)... but how do I do that in 2.6... in 2.4 you can modprobe ide-scsi, but there is no such thing in 2.6 right? |
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| 12:04.34 | runixd | there is |
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| 12:09.59 | dao | runixd, I've found it |
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| 12:10.17 | dao | runixd, it's already in my kernel build in.. |
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| 12:11.15 | raid5 | Grantlinks Join /server irc.FBnet.org :) |
| 12:11.27 | raid5 | granlinks is advertising |
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| 12:11.45 | drac | Grantlinks? |
| 12:11.46 | raid5 | kick da slut |
| 12:11.58 | drac | Ah, nevermind |
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| 12:14.57 | pharrell | which modules do i need to load for ps2 mouse? |
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| 12:15.53 | sussudio | !tell pharrell about 2.6 ps2 |
| 12:16.06 | sanity | anyone know, approximately, how often a TCP stream calculates the round-trip-time between sender and receiver? |
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| 12:21.03 | dings | I'm trying to use `dpkg -l` to get a list of packages installed, but it cuts long package names. Is there a way around this? |
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| 12:23.01 | Melsen | Anyone here who have any experience in setting OpenLDAP/Samba with possible kerberos authentication ? |
| 12:23.16 | dings | Is there some way, other than 'dpkg -l' to get a list of installed packages? |
| 12:23.27 | raid5 | !tell Grantlinks about spam |
| 12:24.50 | orma | hello |
| 12:24.58 | Melsen | Hi orma |
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| 12:25.13 | orma | nice to meet you |
| 12:25.36 | Melsen | likewise |
| 12:25.48 | samigaru | help!!! pls |
| 12:25.57 | mossd | i am trying to compile n_hdlc has a module into my 2.4.22, but in the .config file i am unable to fine it |
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| 12:26.05 | Phated | dings: dpkg --get-selections | less |
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| 12:26.33 | samigaru | when i make menuconfig it says ">> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
| 12:26.34 | samigaru | >> |
| 12:26.34 | samigaru | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 12:26.34 | samigaru | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
| 12:26.34 | samigaru | " |
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| 12:26.35 | dings | Phated: thanks |
| 12:27.28 | orma | where are you come from |
| 12:27.39 | directhex|work | is there a way to unchroot something? |
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| 12:28.28 | fish_ | re |
| 12:28.31 | samigaru | hmm ...what is ncurses-devel? |
| 12:28.32 | KillerBunny | what package do i need to get modconf? |
| 12:28.33 | mossd | have you try-ed apt-get install ncurses-devel |
| 12:28.38 | KillerBunny | Or what happened to it? |
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| 12:28.45 | directhex|work | ncurses-devel is the red hat package name |
| 12:28.46 | Phated | samigaru: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 12:29.02 | samigaru | got it ...thx phated |
| 12:29.03 | directhex|work | libncurses5-dev |
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| 12:29.57 | mossd | it just a lib |
| 12:30.53 | samigaru | yah... |
| 12:31.21 | Raf256 | damn, why bc divides in integer mode? 1.0 / 2.0 = 0 not 0.5 :[ |
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| 12:32.02 | samigaru | it says "must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig' " |
| 12:32.38 | zenja-b | samigaru: thats libncurses*-dev in debian |
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| 12:33.46 | zOOz | user 192.168.1.29 get internet from me oficially, but user 192.168.1.3 dont get internet from me and he is my LAN user w/o internet. so, user 192.168.1.29 creates proxy or something like NAT and gives internet connection to user 192.168.1.3. how to detect that kind of stealing? how to stop that? |
| 12:33.49 | stallman | does anyone know of a ftp site that has the latest bootable sarge netinst cd (I can't get a good dl from the debian sit) |
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| 12:35.11 | charolastra | hi there |
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| 12:35.54 | _fab_ | hi |
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| 12:36.28 | samigaru | another question ...which package must be installed when i run "make gconfig" |
| 12:36.48 | samigaru | can show me the package names? noob here |
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| 12:37.47 | ledet | zOOz: you cant |
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| 12:37.59 | samigaru | it says i must have "gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0" |
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| 12:38.14 | zOOz | ledet: what about TTL of packets? |
| 12:38.15 | samigaru | i cnt find those packages |
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| 12:38.30 | ledet | zOOz: they can be manipulated as well |
| 12:38.55 | zOOz | ledet: thanks |
| 12:39.12 | ledet | zOOz: but they might not be doing that... |
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| 12:39.42 | ledet | zOOz: a better strategy would be to remove abuser from the net entirely and ban them for a couple of months |
| 12:39.55 | ledet | zOOz: that should scare people enough that they wont do it |
| 12:40.48 | samigaru | help!!! |
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| 12:41.02 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search, samigaru |
| 12:41.03 | GoD_SPeeD | when trying to install php4-gd, it keeps telling my that it depends on zendapi-20010901 , following a line like "You should explicitly select one to install." , but there are no packages displayed... |
| 12:41.19 | samigaru | show me alot of packages |
| 12:41.20 | zOOz | ledet: first of i need to detect that. so i want to know how ;-) |
| 12:41.28 | EstupendoCero | I edited my xf86config file to change my video modes, but the changes won't take effect. I've tried ctrl-alt-bksp in X and rebooting the system. any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 12:41.34 | jetscreamer | you 'proably' need non-free or contrib, GoD_SPeeD |
| 12:41.46 | GoD_SPeeD | lemme check |
| 12:41.55 | jetscreamer | it's XF86Config-4 |
| 12:41.55 | samigaru | i must have them all? |
| 12:42.05 | jetscreamer | no, select some |
| 12:42.08 | jetscreamer | choose |
| 12:42.21 | GoD_SPeeD | those are both in sources.list jetscreamer |
| 12:42.21 | EstupendoCero | jetscreamer: so I just edited the wrong file? |
| 12:42.24 | clown | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.32 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 12:42.34 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 12:42.34 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 12:42.46 | EstupendoCero | okay, I'll try that, thanks |
| 12:42.53 | ledet | --- anyone :No such nick/channel |
| 12:43.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.56 | jetscreamer | did you say php? |
| 12:44.59 | GoD_SPeeD | yep |
| 12:45.01 | jetscreamer | !info zend |
| 12:45.07 | dadexter | cold temperature sux |
| 12:45.19 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 12:45.23 | jetscreamer | !find zend |
| 12:45.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zend' (3 shown): (/usr/share/doc/php3-doc/html/function.zend-logo-guid.html) in doc/php3-doc ;; (/usr/include/php4/Zend/{zend.h|zend_API.h|zend_alloc.h|...}) in devel/php4-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/{function.zend-logo-guid.html|function.zend-version.html}) in doc/phpdoc. |
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| 12:46.47 | GoD_SPeeD | maybe i should apt-get install -t testing php4-gd a try |
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| 12:47.24 | Plork | hi all: would anyone be kind enough to tell me if it's possible to synchronize mailboxes on two computers for mozilla thunderbird ? |
| 12:47.50 | jetscreamer | !find zend sarge |
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| 12:47.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zend' (2 shown): (/usr/share/doc/php3-doc/html/function.zend-logo-guid.html) in doc/php3-doc ;; (/usr/include/php4/Zend/{zend.h|zend_API.h|zend_alloc.h|...}) in devel/php4-dev. |
| 12:47.56 | Guerin | Plork: anything's possible |
| 12:48.00 | wilylojik | Plork: IMAP? |
| 12:48.09 | Plork | guerin: I know :) :) that's what I thought |
| 12:48.09 | Guerin | Plork: imap would be the best way |
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| 12:48.19 | samigaru | can tell me GTK+ 2.0-development-package's name |
| 12:48.24 | Guerin | Plork: you want real-time synchronisation? |
| 12:48.31 | wilylojik | yeah, imap > pop for checking from more than one location |
| 12:48.35 | Plork | guerin: sorry, imap ? what do u mean ? all my email accounts are pop3 - is this what u mean ? |
| 12:48.40 | Guerin | samigaru: apt-cache search gtk+ |grep 2 | grep dev |
| 12:48.43 | wilylojik | imap > pop3 |
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| 12:48.55 | samigaru | thx, dude |
| 12:49.05 | Guerin | Plork: I suggest you use imap |
| 12:49.07 | GoD_SPeeD | jetscreamer, apparently that last command did the trick, maybe i installed php4 also with -t testing a long time ago |
| 12:49.13 | Plork | wilylojik: thanx, so what - change pop3 to imap on all my accounts ? |
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| 12:49.33 | Guerin | Plork: it needs to be supported by your mail server. |
| 12:49.49 | wilylojik | Plork: if your ISP supports IMAP yeah |
| 12:49.50 | Plork | cool, i'm checking it out now - damn i love this channel :) |
| 12:49.54 | Plork | thanx 4 u'r help guys |
| 12:50.13 | Shadur | ~tell Plork about ur |
| 12:50.24 | Guerin | Plork: the alternative is jiggering something to do with your client not deleting mails from the pop server; or constantly copying that mailbox file between computers |
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| 12:50.46 | jetscreamer | rsynch |
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| 12:51.03 | wilylojik | all ugly |
| 12:51.03 | Plork | guerin: is there something that synchronizes folders between 2 computers ? |
| 12:51.11 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 12:51.13 | wilylojik | you can do it with pop3 but it's a bad idea |
| 12:51.22 | wilylojik | Plork: probably a few dozen ways... imap would still be better |
| 12:51.39 | Coke | How come .bashrc nor .profile is sourced from an SSH login? What file is? |
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| 12:51.54 | Guerin | Plork: it can be. bear in mind that what tbird calls folders are probably just mbox files |
| 12:51.56 | jetscreamer | .bashrc is , afaict |
| 12:51.57 | sobersabre | is there a cluster & debian chan ? |
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| 12:52.17 | clown | wilylojik: how do you suppose to use imap to sync 2 mailboxes? |
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| 12:54.09 | jetscreamer | might be a /etc/bash.bashrc thing |
| 12:54.19 | zenja-b | clown: you point 2 machines to one imap server |
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| 12:54.57 | kbrooks | ok i have a problem |
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| 12:55.11 | wilylojik | clown: yeah, imap handles it, all the mail is kept on the server |
| 12:55.24 | wilylojik | instead of downloading it all to the client |
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| 12:55.42 | clown | zenja-b: ..and you have only a cache on each. that's not a syncronize |
| 12:56.48 | kbrooks | i changed desktop managers from kdm to gdm and suddenly on boootup, it wont start kdm becayse it is not the default display manager |
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| 12:57.04 | clown | wilylojik: so you could suggest to use a web interface to the mailbox, perhaps? why imap? |
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| 12:57.12 | jetscreamer | kbrooks easiest way, dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 12:57.22 | kbrooks | jetscreamer: thx |
| 12:57.27 | markus__ | "error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" What package i have to download? |
| 12:57.27 | skunk | is perl part of the standard apache package ? |
| 12:57.28 | jetscreamer | see also nano /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 12:57.29 | zenja-b | clown: huh? next time you say 'get new mail' -> sync |
| 12:57.29 | shingouz | a fresh custom 2.6.9 kernel and i am trying desperately to install oss module cs4232 to re-enable the sounds on my laptop, modconf barfs repeatedly "fatal: module off not found". wth is module "off" in this case or what should i compile in the kernel to get the dratted thing to work again as 2.4.26 and OSS with cs4232 worked nicely |
| 12:57.53 | streuner__ | skunk: without perl you cannot run debian... |
| 12:58.00 | jetscreamer | wx gtk something |
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| 12:58.08 | Guerin | clown: wtf is wrong with imap? |
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| 12:58.33 | skunk | no... do the modules get compiled already with the apache pacakage |
| 12:58.35 | clown | zenja-b: ..and you get in for offline reading or what? |
| 12:58.37 | streuner__ | jetscreamer: J E T S C RRRRR EEEE AAA M ER! |
| 12:58.46 | ledet | skunk: perl is not part of apache |
| 12:58.47 | Coke | How can I make any bash resource file sourced when using BASH through SSH? |
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| 12:58.48 | Kzim | hi |
| 12:58.57 | ledet | skunk: perl has nothing to do with apache |
| 12:58.58 | jetscreamer | apt-file search libwx_gtk-2.4.so.0 |
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| 12:59.06 | clown | Guerin: try to open 2 sessions simultaneously and you'll see |
| 12:59.14 | jetscreamer | libwxgtk2.4 ... go figure |
| 12:59.19 | Kzim | simple question: how can i add a text line at the end a text file in a a script ? please |
| 12:59.19 | zenja-b | clown: if the client has such feature |
| 12:59.20 | streuner__ | skunk: what's the *real* question? |
| 12:59.28 | Guerin | clown: yeah, I do see; quite regularly. |
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| 12:59.47 | clown | zenja-b: tb has? |
| 12:59.50 | dud | Kzim, echo "text" >> file |
| 12:59.54 | skunk | ohh sit.. sorry.. I meant CGI.. does the apache package come with CGI support ? |
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| 13:00.08 | markus__ | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 13:00.13 | streuner__ | skunk: sure, apache supports CGI |
| 13:00.16 | zenja-b | debian has 'mozilla-thunderbird-offline' - sounds like it... |
| 13:00.29 | Kzim | dub: arf was 2 > :) thanks a lot |
| 13:00.31 | skunk | thanks guys |
| 13:00.32 | clown | Guerin: it's fine |
| 13:00.48 | streuner__ | skunk: you're welcome. |
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| 13:00.53 | Guerin | clown: yes, it is fine. what's your point? |
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| 13:01.11 | clown | zenja-b: ok, thanx |
| 13:01.12 | skunk | another question.. whats the best method of patch management of a debian system and all pacakages ? |
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| 13:01.28 | ledet | skunk: use apt |
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| 13:01.39 | Guerin | skunk: what do YOU mean by patch management? |
| 13:01.47 | markus__ | How can i mount NTFS partition to debian sarge? I've heard that Debian doesn't support NTFS. |
| 13:01.54 | karl | after udev update /dev/cdrom links disapeared Can anyone help |
| 13:02.03 | ledet | markus__: debian supports ntfs |
| 13:02.14 | Guerin | markus__: the linux kernel doesn't support writing to ntfs in any real way. |
| 13:02.15 | ledet | markus__: load the ntfs kernel module and mount your partition |
| 13:02.16 | wilylojik | clown: squirrelmail is a web based client that uses imap |
| 13:02.18 | petemc | markus__: you heard wrong, mount /dev/hdN /mnt/point -o umask=022 |
| 13:02.23 | skunk | well ensure all security updates are applied with apache as they become available.. and updates to any binaries or kernel ? |
| 13:02.39 | Guerin | skunk: what branch of debian do you run? |
| 13:02.44 | wilylojik | clown: so that is an option, you could also use a webmail client that supported pop, but you'd be back to the same issue of pop not being designed to check from multiple places |
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| 13:02.54 | skunk | version 3 |
| 13:03.03 | ledet | skunk: not version... branch |
| 13:03.08 | skunk | whats that ? |
| 13:03.15 | Guerin | skunk: make sure you have a security line in your sources.list and you're fine |
| 13:03.19 | ledet | skunk: stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 13:03.23 | wilylojik | I connect to my imap server from my home machine with mozilla mail, and from the server with mutt, when I get squirrelmail setup I'll be able to connect to the same folders from there as well |
| 13:03.27 | Guerin | ledet: version 3 is currently sta ble |
| 13:03.30 | skunk | I always use stable |
| 13:03.41 | jhawk | try .dev |
| 13:03.47 | J_P | hey all, how i do for lilo send boot linux to serial ? |
| 13:03.50 | ledet | Guerin: true... |
| 13:03.58 | streuner__ | skunk: stable is good for servers, but not for desktop-system atm. |
| 13:04.08 | Guerin | skunk: so just do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade fairly regularly, and you should be fine. |
| 13:04.16 | karl | does debian support udefs |
| 13:04.22 | skunk | I only use stable.. because servers is the reason.. |
| 13:04.27 | streuner__ | ok |
| 13:04.38 | Guerin | streuner__: depends what you want out of a desktop system. I could run mine on stable if it had a decent web browser in it. |
| 13:04.45 | fusion | i use UNSTABLE for servers, because it is the most updated release... |
| 13:05.12 | streuner__ | Guerin: well, it has, but SSL supports sucks. |
| 13:05.17 | skunk | Guerin: and these commands look at all binaries and also any packages installed on the box to se if a newer version is available ? |
| 13:05.36 | ledet | skunk: thats the whole idea, yes |
| 13:05.46 | Guerin | streuner__: I don't consider mozilla 1.4 to be a decent web browser anymore, unfortunately :) |
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| 13:05.47 | ledet | skunk: it looks a packages |
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| 13:05.49 | streuner__ | Guerin: you come to mozilla and mozilla its not that lightweight |
| 13:06.01 | Guerin | streuner__: yeah. |
| 13:06.03 | |stefan| | is it possible to mark bad blocks on ext3 ? and if so . how do i go about doing this ? |
| 13:06.04 | ledet | skunk: so just make sure that you dont install anything outside dpkg |
| 13:06.15 | Skiver | what about firefox ? |
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| 13:06.27 | streuner__ | Guerin: dillo would be good, but SSL is in beta |
| 13:06.29 | skunk | ladet: and the consequences are ? |
| 13:07.01 | bohan | hi.. i'm sure someone has done that already.. i need a shell script that convert gnu-long-style options of the coreutils commands to posix.. something declaring shell wrapper functions to the real commands |
| 13:07.09 | ledet | skank: that youll have to update these packages manually |
| 13:07.29 | Guerin | Skiver: we're talking about woody. |
| 13:07.34 | zenja-b | |stefan|: man badblocks, man e2fsck |
| 13:07.54 | Guerin | I do use firefox; currently it's the only program which keeps X windows installed on my machine. |
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| 13:08.15 | skunk | ladet: installing from source is a real pain in arse.. its not difficult as people claimed it is, it more difficult when it comes to upgrading ,,, ou really need to be the one who compiled it because otherwise its a nightmare |
| 13:08.33 | Skiver | Guerin : does ur firefox gets frozen when loading pages with alot of flash ? |
| 13:08.48 | Guerin | Skiver: no, because I don't have the flashplayer installed. |
| 13:08.50 | ledet | skank: which is exactly why you should just keep to installing packages in apt |
| 13:09.01 | Skiver | Guerin : okay |
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| 13:09.38 | |stefan| | zenja-b =) |
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| 13:10.17 | Kzim | what is the best way to replace a line in a .conf ? please |
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| 13:10.34 | bohan | Kzim?? |
| 13:10.37 | petemc | Kzim: edit the file with your favourite text editor |
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| 13:10.41 | Kzim | sorry for my english :( |
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| 13:10.47 | Kzim | i mean in a script |
| 13:10.48 | bohan | wow, good answer. |
| 13:10.48 | Phated | Typically, by editing the file. |
| 13:10.54 | bohan | lol |
| 13:11.00 | bohan | wtf is that question |
| 13:11.01 | Kzim | :) |
| 13:11.04 | zenja-b | Kzim: ed |
| 13:11.08 | Kzim | sec :) |
| 13:11.10 | Kzim | i mean |
| 13:11.10 | bohan | haha |
| 13:11.11 | tirkal | Hi. I want to install mod_php for Apache 1.3. Do I just do "apt-get install libapache-mod-php4" ? |
| 13:11.31 | ledet | tirkal: yes |
| 13:11.43 | Kzim | i have a conf file with in the middle VAR="bla" and i want in a script replace this line by something else |
| 13:11.44 | skunk | coming from a Windows environment in such a short time, Linux really is fantastic.. pacakage management is just awesome.. so many continaully tell me Linux takes up more time to manage server, but if done properly and secured according I really do not see how |
| 13:11.55 | fatal__ | Kzim: this should work... sed -e 's/^old row$/new row/' < file > new.file |
| 13:12.16 | Kzim | thanks a lot i check that |
| 13:12.21 | zenja-b | Kzim: echo -e "%s/VAR=1/VAR=2/\nwq" | ed file |
| 13:12.48 | tirkal | ledet: so what's with the libapache-mod-suphp package? I used RH9 before, and Apache ran as user apache, group apache. do I need to install that too? (I don't think something like that was installed on the RH9 server) |
| 13:13.14 | sussudio | !seen dorks |
| 13:13.15 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dorks', sussudio |
| 13:13.39 | Kzim | zenja-b: it's perfect !!! |
| 13:13.43 | Kzim | thanks a lot |
| 13:13.47 | SlayerXP | !seen sussudio_buttnaked |
| 13:13.47 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sussudio_buttnaked', SlayerXP |
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| 13:13.54 | SlayerXP | hur |
| 13:14.15 | tirkal | is it customary to install the libapache-mod-suphp package? Should I do it? |
| 13:14.48 | zenja-b | Kzim: feel the power of ed :) |
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| 13:17.07 | Guerin | zenja-b gets the oldskool points |
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| 13:17.25 | thomas_adam | Just use 'sed -ie '...', ffs. |
| 13:17.27 | jetscreamer | dpkg is blind, lotsa dorks |
| 13:17.27 | dpkg | jetscreamer: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:17.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg, is is is |
| 13:17.46 | dpkg | jetscreamer: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 13:18.24 | jetscreamer | dpkg, is is is is is is is |
| 13:18.25 | dpkg | jetscreamer: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 13:19.03 | skunk | out of interest has anyone here experienced problems with permissions changing on severs.. and permissions appearing with "S" and "T", which differ from the usual R W X... |
| 13:19.04 | orjan | perhaps a bit ot..can ntpdate get time from an win2k ad server? |
| 13:19.38 | rob0 | orjan: is that machine is running an NTP (protocol) server, sure. |
| 13:19.47 | bbrazil | skunk: those are sgid,suid and sticky |
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| 13:19.57 | rob0 | s/is/if/ |
| 13:20.05 | bbrazil | skunk: capital letters indicate that the 'x' bit isn't set |
| 13:20.11 | thomas_adam | skunk: info chmod |
| 13:20.14 | orjan | rob0: as far as I know it has to if it runs ad because of kerberos |
| 13:20.28 | skunk | bbrazil: I've got one server where I am seeing permissions being changed almost in fron of me.. I figured it was something sinister |
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| 13:21.09 | rob0 | sounds like more MS protocol confusion. They have a simplistic SMB protocol time feature, too, but that is *not* NTP. |
| 13:21.28 | rob0 | All I can say is, try it ... |
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| 13:21.39 | orjan | rob0: ok |
| 13:21.41 | skunk | these permissions are mostly being changed on document roots of web servers taking the material offline |
| 13:21.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg, auxiliary verbs is <reply>: is, am, are, was, were, be, being, been, has, have, had, do, does, did, shall, will, should, would, may, might, must, can, and could |
| 13:21.44 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
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| 13:23.05 | rob0 | do the Debian (sarge in specific) module init tools support gzipped modules? |
| 13:23.06 | jetscreamer | net time in the msworld |
| 13:23.28 | rob0 | "net time" is SMB |
| 13:24.06 | jetscreamer | so are you saying that ms's net.exe IS smb? |
| 13:24.28 | rob0 | it implements some SMB client and server features. |
| 13:24.32 | skunk | I'm sure SMB is more than one file |
| 13:24.44 | jetscreamer | ah didn't know that |
| 13:25.08 | jetscreamer | or didn't associate it |
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| 13:25.29 | eNTi | i've downloaded rc2 debian netinstall iso and burned it to a cd with cdrecord "cdrecord -v -dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 <iso>". when i try to boot from it, i get "Boot from CD: Failed". what have i done wrong? |
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| 13:25.55 | fairway | hi, why does debian sshd not work by default with ssh clients such as putty? |
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| 13:26.00 | rob0 | in the Unix world we're specific about protocols, but MS likes to keep their victims confused ... |
| 13:26.25 | bohan | fairway, what's not working? |
| 13:26.29 | DerJamster | fairway: it does.. :) |
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| 13:26.39 | fairway | well the public keys are disabled |
| 13:26.43 | jetscreamer | 'turning it on' might help |
| 13:26.56 | rob0 | fairway: putty uses a different protocol for keys |
| 13:27.02 | fairway | ah |
| 13:27.09 | jetscreamer | winscp 'just worked'(tm) |
| 13:27.10 | bohan | fairway, putty's key format is different than openssh's ... you have to convert them |
| 13:27.20 | rob0 | the keys can be converted, yes |
| 13:27.21 | jetscreamer | and it used putty |
| 13:27.21 | fairway | bohan: I see |
| 13:27.49 | Kzim | i can do case $1 in but can i do case $1 $2 $3 in in a script ? for put a message if all argument an't in put error ? |
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| 13:28.24 | caphuso | Kzim: for doing what? |
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| 13:28.41 | Kzim | i have a script with $1 $2 |
| 13:29.02 | bohan | Kzim, the first argument, after case is the name of new local var |
| 13:29.06 | Kzim | and i want put a message if the 2 var an't entered via ./test.sh toto tata |
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| 13:29.34 | Pecisk | hello everyone, does Debian in testing has ALSA broken or something? I can't get my computer mics working on any of computers, don't matter what kind of soundcard, etc. configuration it is |
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| 13:29.47 | petemc | Poncha: works fine for me |
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| 13:29.50 | petemc | bah |
| 13:29.53 | petemc | Pecisk: ^^ |
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| 13:30.01 | Guerin | Pecisk: worksforme too |
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| 13:30.20 | jetscreamer | funny, alsa fucks up every time i install it, it never 'just works' |
| 13:30.20 | Poncha | ;) |
| 13:30.25 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 13:30.25 | dpkg | alsa-bork is, like, modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 13:30.26 | caphuso | Kzim: like "if [[ $# != 2 ]]; then echo wrong number of arguments; fi"? |
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| 13:30.40 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 13:31.05 | jetscreamer | modprobe snd-*and the fucker will work |
| 13:31.08 | caphuso | hrm. s/!=/-ne/ |
| 13:31.15 | bohan | Kzim, toto tata? are you french? |
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| 13:31.37 | Kzim | caphuso: seams good i test |
| 13:31.42 | Kzim | yes french :) |
| 13:31.48 | Pecisk | heh |
| 13:32.27 | hramrach_ | I have a problem with screen |
| 13:32.57 | Kzim | caphuso: and if there is no 2 arg the script will stop and not read the next line ? |
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| 13:33.04 | hramrach_ | My applications won't resize if attached to terminal of different size |
| 13:33.21 | caphuso | Kzim: if you set it up to do so |
| 13:33.33 | hramrach_ | It used to work but I am not sure what broke it |
| 13:33.37 | Kzim | caphuso: how ? put exit; ? |
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| 13:33.51 | FLD | how i can load php to apache1.3 from apt-get |
| 13:33.53 | bohan | Kzim, use something like "exit 1" to terminate the execution |
| 13:34.01 | FLD | i installed php4 and libapache-php4 |
| 13:34.03 | FLD | what now? |
| 13:34.08 | Kzim | thanks |
| 13:34.12 | caphuso | hramrach_: C-a F |
| 13:34.13 | Guerin | hramrach_: C-l? |
| 13:34.21 | jetscreamer | isn't there an apache mod php? |
| 13:34.27 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yes |
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| 13:34.35 | FLD | i installed it |
| 13:34.39 | jetscreamer | heh i've never set up apache or php |
| 13:34.39 | FLD | and what now? |
| 13:34.50 | bohan | Kzim, exit 1 <-- use any non zero value to report that the execution failed |
| 13:34.57 | Guerin | FLD: what happens when you try to serve a php file? |
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| 13:35.12 | FLD | Guerin it wants do download it |
| 13:35.20 | Guerin | FLD: AddTyle |
| 13:35.23 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 13:35.25 | Guerin | AddType |
| 13:35.34 | jetscreamer | mimetype? |
| 13:35.41 | caphuso | FLD: /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:35.46 | Kzim | bohan work good, good to know |
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| 13:37.01 | FLD | on installation and Just Work(tm). |
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| 13:37.02 | FLD | lol |
| 13:37.05 | FLD | it does not work :D |
| 13:37.33 | stallman | Hellllllllllp... Sarge Installation. Can't boot from CD what can I do? |
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| 13:37.42 | FLD | damn debian apache sux so much |
| 13:37.45 | romulo | can anyone point me a software to capture video frames? |
| 13:37.48 | FLD | im gonna have to install apache from sources |
| 13:37.49 | romulo | mpeg ones |
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| 13:37.57 | FLD | and php and perl and ssi |
| 13:38.01 | FLD | damn damn damn |
| 13:38.04 | FLD | this sux |
| 13:38.21 | DerJamster | And what does not work, FLD? |
| 13:38.27 | Guerin | FLD: stop whining |
| 13:38.29 | FLD | php and ssi |
| 13:38.36 | FLD | i installed modules |
| 13:38.41 | caphuso | !tell FLD -about enter |
| 13:38.43 | Guerin | FLD: don't install from source; just fix your gdmf config. |
| 13:38.45 | rob0 | stallman: heh, great nick :) ... what happens? Can you boot a floppy? |
| 13:38.54 | FLD | apt-get install libapache-php4 and libapache-ssi |
| 13:39.01 | FLD | and both of them does not work? |
| 13:39.10 | FLD | manual says taht they would work |
| 13:39.21 | Guerin | FLD: fix your FUCKING configuration; don't complain to us. |
| 13:39.27 | FLD | dunno how |
| 13:39.33 | caphuso | and your equally FUCKING enter key |
| 13:39.37 | Guerin | FLD: then wtf are you doing running a web server? |
| 13:39.38 | caphuso | last warning |
| 13:39.39 | FLD | im never had working apache |
| 13:39.46 | stallman | i don't know how to make a flopy |
| 13:40.29 | Guerin | stallman: can you boot from any cds? |
| 13:40.40 | Guerin | stallman: didn't you say that 3.0 worked? |
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| 13:40.49 | stallman | yes. I can boot from a woody 3r3 |
| 13:40.59 | Guerin | stallman: install that, and upgrade to testing from there. |
| 13:41.06 | Guerin | stallman: (quick fix) |
| 13:41.16 | SlayerXP | Guerin: about an hour ago I told him his CD was corrupt |
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| 13:41.34 | Guerin | SlayerXP: that's potentially the case, too. |
| 13:41.44 | stallman | The problem is that I want a later kernal..... and riser/ext3 support |
| 13:41.51 | clusty | hoe can I tell a program to load some shared libz from some non standard place? |
| 13:41.59 | Guerin | stallman: use bf24 |
| 13:42.02 | fflush | clusty: sure |
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| 13:42.08 | jetscreamer | hey. what does this do: /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/floppy/setup |
| 13:42.09 | fflush | clusty: LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 13:42.11 | stallman | can someone tell me how to build the floppies that are on the sarge cd |
| 13:42.18 | fflush | clusty: LD_LIBRARY_PATH, ld.so.conf, LD_PRELOAD |
| 13:42.59 | clusty | fflush: thanx |
| 13:43.07 | stallman | jetscreamer.... that would be great if I had a running deb box |
| 13:43.17 | jetscreamer | no i was asking what it does |
| 13:43.45 | jetscreamer | stallman, what box do you have and what kind of floppy do you want... a net install bf24 floppy? |
| 13:44.00 | jetscreamer | you use rawrite for windows |
| 13:44.04 | Guerin | stallman: just boot off the woody cd |
| 13:44.09 | jetscreamer | google is your friend |
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| 13:44.20 | stallman | if that will work.. I'll take anything that will get me to installing sarge |
| 13:44.33 | jetscreamer | rawrite or the netinstall cd |
| 13:44.41 | jetscreamer | ah sarge... |
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| 13:44.50 | hramrach_ | It does not work. C-l used to work with mutt but does not any longer. I never used C-a F and it does nothing. |
| 13:44.54 | Guerin | stallman: install a base system; upgrade to sarge, get a new kernel; convert to ext3, bob's your uncle. |
| 13:45.26 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:45.27 | stallman | that's exactly what I am trying to avoid Guerin.... LOL |
| 13:45.32 | jetscreamer | bob is not my frickin uncle |
| 13:45.46 | jetscreamer | you can get floppies for d-i |
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| 13:45.55 | hramrach_ | So I guess screen or something screen uses is broken because I did not change my config, just upgraded system. |
| 13:46.34 | stallman | ok that's fine Jetscreamer, but how do I make the boot floppies in a windows environment. that's all I have right now |
| 13:47.01 | jetscreamer | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 13:47.04 | jetscreamer | rawrite |
| 13:47.06 | jetscreamer | i told you |
| 13:47.12 | jetscreamer | google |
| 13:47.16 | stallman | there are three floopy image files on my sarge cd how do I get them onto floppy with windows |
| 13:47.16 | jetscreamer | !enter |
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| 13:47.16 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 13:47.31 | jetscreamer | !rawrite |
| 13:47.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, rawrite is a program that can write an image to a disk in DOS. You can use it to create Debian boot disks. It can be found at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools |
| 13:47.32 | SlayerXP | stallman: you read the fucking install guide. |
| 13:47.36 | SlayerXP | ffs |
| 13:47.48 | stallman | ok. I guess I don't understand what rawrite is? |
| 13:47.50 | SlayerXP | stallman: please don't use debian. /join #mandrake |
| 13:48.02 | jetscreamer | !tell stallman about rawrite |
| 13:48.08 | stallman | hey slayer... fuck off |
| 13:48.18 | SlayerXP | you can't make me *taunt* |
| 13:48.31 | stallman | its assholes like you that make people not want to convert from windows to linux |
| 13:48.38 | dings | how do I disable the console bell? |
| 13:48.57 | asg | dings: man setterm |
| 13:48.59 | hramrach_ | dings: take out the speaker? |
| 13:49.04 | stallman | so, can someone explain to me what the rawrite process is in windows |
| 13:49.08 | jetscreamer | rmmod pcspeaker maybe |
| 13:49.20 | idnar | stallman: have you read the documentation already? |
| 13:49.22 | jetscreamer | stallman, you just do rawrite /? and follow directions |
| 13:49.34 | Guerin | oh, ftlog |
| 13:49.43 | jetscreamer | stallman, it's like burning a cd from a .img |
| 13:49.49 | jetscreamer | cept it's a floppy |
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| 13:50.00 | stallman | yes. it doesn't explain the process of writing to floppies in windows. only in linix using smbinst |
| 13:50.17 | jetscreamer | go to the rawrite website then |
| 13:50.33 | jetscreamer | iirc rawrite /? should tell you all you need to know though |
| 13:50.47 | Analyser | how can i do to all file saved on my nfs sharer have automatically the permissions which i want? like 755? |
| 13:50.48 | stallman | ok.... thanks jet |
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| 13:51.05 | jetscreamer | Analyser, mount it that way |
| 13:51.26 | Guerin | Melsen: what're you paying? |
| 13:51.34 | Melsen | hehe |
| 13:51.37 | Melsen | Nothing =) |
| 13:51.52 | Melsen | But can I pm you with a few questions? :P |
| 13:52.05 | Analyser | jetscreamer i saying about new file saveds from other user when nfs is already on. |
| 13:52.10 | Guerin | Melsen: hrm, strange ... your pitch looked a lot like a job advert. |
| 13:52.27 | Guerin | Melsen: no, I know virtually nothing about any of those things, I was just curious. |
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| 13:52.33 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 13:52.34 | Melsen | Sorry. English isn't my first language... so I might not always phrase things correctly |
| 13:52.50 | Guerin | Melsen: no, it was a really good job ad. |
| 13:53.05 | Guerin | clear, to the point, specific... |
| 13:53.05 | stallman | iirc rawrite /? |
| 13:53.11 | jetscreamer | rawrite /? |
| 13:53.17 | jetscreamer | !iirc |
| 13:53.17 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 13:53.34 | FieldySnuts | Melsen: you're doing better than many native english speakers heh |
| 13:53.36 | Melsen | well... wasn't good anyways.. cuz it wasn't meant to look like a job ad... just looking for someone who can answer a few questions in that regard. |
| 13:53.41 | stallman | !iirc rawrite /? |
| 13:53.47 | jetscreamer | stallman |
| 13:53.54 | stallman | yes |
| 13:53.57 | jetscreamer | rawrite /? |
| 13:54.00 | jetscreamer | in dos |
| 13:54.02 | Melsen | FieldySnuts: *chuckles* I appreciate the compliment... even despite the fact that it wasn't true =) |
| 13:54.16 | stallman | ok |
| 13:54.19 | jetscreamer | iirc means iirc which is explained if you /msg dpkg iirc |
| 13:54.28 | Phated | Heck, you capitalise and punctuate correctly. Better than many. |
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| 13:54.44 | idnar | Melsen: you'd be surprised how badly some people speak English, even if it's their first language |
| 13:54.47 | Rebecca | is there any way to skip a package download during the sarge install? |
| 13:54.57 | Guerin | Rebecca: no. |
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| 13:55.01 | jetscreamer | put it on hold before you start |
| 13:55.10 | Guerin | jetscreamer: "install" |
| 13:55.12 | jetscreamer | oh install nm |
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| 13:55.16 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 13:55.30 | jetscreamer | 07.55 |
| 13:55.35 | Phated | Why would you want to skip a package precisely? Unless it's non-essential... In which case why download it at install? :) |
| 13:55.38 | Guerin | jetscreamer: go to sleep already |
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| 13:56.00 | Melsen | hehe. Yeah well.. danish is my first language. Not everybody speak it equally well here either, so I guess it does make sense... but all the english I know is what I've been taught during the english lessons through 5-10th grade in school... hehe. And then taking to people over the net. |
| 13:56.03 | jetscreamer | i stayed up 24 yesterday and fell asleep and woke up a couple hrs ago |
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| 13:56.45 | jetscreamer | i need a ups so i can do the uptime war thing with this w2k server |
| 13:56.52 | Guerin | Melsen: your englilsh is pretty good, then. I'm an ESL teacher, and I teach adults who've studied >10 years andd lived overseas who can't write as well as you. |
| 13:56.56 | Rebecca | Guerin: so ctrl+c has no effect? |
| 13:57.10 | jetscreamer | ctrl+c will stop the entire d/l |
| 13:57.23 | Melsen | Guerin: I'll take that as a compliment then and just say thanks =) |
| 13:57.24 | Phated | It just interrupts the entire process. |
| 13:57.29 | Guerin | Rebecca: try it... it shouldn't. All the packages you get in the base install are pretty important. |
| 13:57.49 | Guerin | Rebecca: just to be clear, what specific part of the install are you up to? |
| 13:57.59 | Phated | "the download" :) |
| 13:58.02 | Rebecca | well.. i dont need 11megs of samba docs :) |
| 13:58.03 | jetscreamer | probably the selection |
| 13:58.23 | Guerin | Rebecca: heh. You might be surprised :) |
| 13:58.46 | Guerin | Rebecca: yeah, in that case, you can cancel and go back to aptitude and select some different stuff. |
| 13:59.17 | Rebecca | is Phated correct though? |
| 13:59.26 | Guerin | Rebecca: yeah. |
| 13:59.36 | Phated | Is aptitude the default now, then? Not dselect anymore? |
| 13:59.43 | Guerin | Phated: in sarge, yeah. |
| 13:59.49 | Rebecca | ok, thanks Guerin and Phated :) |
| 13:59.52 | Phated | Guerin: And I -still- haven't used d-i. :) |
| 13:59.57 | Phated | Bugger. :) |
| 14:00.04 | Guerin | Phated: you're just trying to be oldskool. |
| 14:00.08 | Phated | Guerin: Am not. |
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| 14:00.24 | Guerin | you can't fool me |
| 14:00.46 | Phated | It's Debian's fault for not being able to crash irretrievably and force a new install. :) |
| 14:00.48 | Analyser | how can i do to all file saved on my nfs sharer have automatically the permission which i want? |
| 14:00.49 | Guerin | and you can't fool the yout' of today |
| 14:00.56 | Phated | What yout'? |
| 14:01.09 | Phated | Guerin: You're far, far, from being yout' anymore. :) |
| 14:01.10 | stallman | jetscreamer.... can nero burning rom handle img files burned to floppy? |
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| 14:01.32 | Guerin | Phated: hah. Hence and. You need to listen to more Peter Tosh. |
| 14:01.42 | hramrach_ | stallman: no, but rawrite can |
| 14:01.46 | Phated | Guerin: Well pah. :) |
| 14:01.49 | Guerin | burning floppies? |
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| 14:01.55 | Guerin | sounds like a good idea to me. |
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| 14:01.57 | tdonahue | stallman, what is so hard about using rawrite? |
| 14:02.00 | Phated | I hear they make nice crackly noises. |
| 14:02.14 | stallman | ok.. I'm having problems downloading it from a redhat site |
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| 14:02.34 | hramrach_ | why do you do that? |
| 14:02.36 | Phated | Google rawrite or something. |
| 14:02.38 | stallman | I can't get it dl'ed and installed... thats the problem |
| 14:02.48 | hramrach_ | it is nopt installed |
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| 14:03.16 | hramrach_ | There's special version for NT windows even |
| 14:03.23 | jetscreamer | stallman, not that i'm aware of but i never used anything i had to pay for in windows, i did a lot of freeware... and no i didn't do the warez thing ppl, not until i installed debian. |
| 14:03.41 | petemc | jetscreamer: only when you installed debian did you start warezing? |
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| 14:04.04 | Guerin | Analyser: if I'm not stupid, nfs mounts actuall us proper unix perms, not stupid umask/uid hackery. |
| 14:04.06 | tdonahue | stallman: ftp://rt.fm/pub/OpenBSD/3.6/tools/ |
| 14:04.28 | jetscreamer | http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite.htm |
| 14:04.51 | tdonahue | stallman: use ntrw.exe for XP/2000/NT and rawrite.exe for 95/98/ME |
| 14:04.52 | jetscreamer | petemc, strange but true |
| 14:04.58 | Guerin | Analyser: and defaultly, the client is 'nobody' on the server - so the answer to your question would theoretically be to make all files on the export owned or gid nobody |
| 14:05.04 | jetscreamer | jsut tv shows though, no movies |
| 14:05.11 | Guerin | Analyser: however, this is almost certainly a bad idea. |
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| 14:05.58 | Guerin | why are we giving windows advice in #debian |
| 14:05.59 | Guerin | ? |
| 14:06.03 | jetscreamer | i have seasons 1-6 of stargate sg1... is this evil? |
| 14:06.09 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yes. |
| 14:06.15 | Guerin | well |
| 14:06.15 | jetscreamer | to help the guy install debian i guess |
| 14:06.18 | Guerin | not evil, only lame. |
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| 14:06.41 | Guerin | jetscreamer: he's got a woody bootcd; it's the official debian installer and it works. |
| 14:07.07 | Guerin | stallman: did you talk to the people in #debian-boot about your problems with the sarge cd? |
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| 14:07.35 | jetscreamer | i remember my first time installing linux... luckily, i'm self-sufficent and .5 brainiac... |
| 14:07.43 | dskippy | How do I figure out which package (that I have not installed) contains a file? I can only find google hits for finding files in packages I have installed. |
| 14:07.55 | Guerin | !tell dskippy about search |
| 14:07.57 | jetscreamer | dskippy, apt-file... apt-get it |
| 14:08.07 | directhex|work | dskippy, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search foo.bar |
| 14:08.51 | Phated | Wait... He has the woody CD? Why can't he install then? |
| 14:08.59 | jetscreamer | won't boot |
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| 14:09.12 | Phated | I thought it was his sarge CD that wouldn't boot. |
| 14:09.27 | jetscreamer | stallman, is the cdrom you're trying to boot from the same burner you burned the cd on? |
| 14:09.31 | jetscreamer | phated, no idea :) |
| 14:09.40 | Phated | jetscreamer: Oh well. |
| 14:09.40 | stallman | no |
| 14:09.41 | Guerin | woody cd boots. sarge cd doesn't. |
| 14:09.52 | Phated | So... why can't he install from the Woody CD? |
| 14:09.55 | nashirak | Hey guys I am trying to cross compile FFMPEG for a SPARC architecture (I am compiling on x86). When I do gcc -mcpu=ultrasparc -mtune=ultrasparc... gcc says that both of those are invalid options (even though they are both in the man page). Does anyone know if I need another gcc debian package for cross compiling or where those options not compiled into the gcc that comes with debian? Or am I just doing something wrong? |
| 14:10.00 | Guerin | this is a good question |
| 14:10.09 | directhex|work | have we checked the usual things, i.e. that the cd contains the correct files (and not a .iso file), and has the bootable sectors (i.e. was burned as an iso, not the contents of the iso extracted & burnt as a new data cd)? |
| 14:10.10 | jetscreamer | stallman, that may be one reason... not all burned cd's can be read by all cdroms |
| 14:10.13 | stallman | hey jetscreamer... I got the zip of rawrite. what windows folder do I extract it too? |
| 14:10.14 | Phated | The woody CD installer was perfectly adequate... |
| 14:10.25 | jetscreamer | stallman, doesn't matter, anywhere you want |
| 14:10.35 | stallman | ok |
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| 14:10.50 | jetscreamer | next to the .img's makes it easy |
| 14:10.52 | Bedad | hmm for some reason kde wouldn't load when i tried ot login, it would tell me it had crashed and to report the bug, i removed hte kde-core and base etc, and kdm, and xdm, and then got into it via gnome, and then apt-get install kde , and xdm as well, is there anything i have missed? |
| 14:11.07 | dskippy | directhex|work: Xlib.h is not found by apt-file search Xlib.h |
| 14:11.22 | FLD | (synaptic:10360): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtklabel.c: line 2792 (gtk_label_set_use_underline): assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed |
| 14:11.27 | FLD | i dont have buttons in my synaptic |
| 14:11.29 | Kzim | re |
| 14:11.34 | FLD | that is the error? |
| 14:11.47 | Kzim | when i do cat /etc/proftpd.conf | grep -v www.toto.com > /etc/proftpd.conf proftpd.conf is cut before the end :/ any idea ? |
| 14:11.51 | jetscreamer | fld you probably don't have a certain widget package, but i'm guessing |
| 14:12.09 | Bedad | what do you mean cut before the end? |
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| 14:12.17 | hramrach_ | aargh, there must be something wrong with termcap/terminfo. I get the screen size in shell if I log out and log in, and I get the correct size in new shells in screen. |
| 14:12.30 | FLD | jetscreamer what is apt-get packet for that |
| 14:12.40 | jetscreamer | no idea dude |
| 14:12.55 | jetscreamer | !depends synaptic |
| 14:12.56 | Kzim | Bedad: i haven't the end of the file :/ |
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| 14:13.07 | dpkg | synaptic: depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.3.6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.4.1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libvte4 (>= 1:0.11.11), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxft2 (>> 2.1.1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), gksu, scrollkeeper |
| 14:13.12 | Phated | Can't be a depend, can it, since if it were it would have been pulled in. |
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| 14:13.18 | jetscreamer | one would guess one of those |
| 14:13.21 | Thong | Hello all |
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| 14:13.27 | Guerin | hramrach_: oh. What is $TERM on an affected terminal? |
| 14:13.28 | zenja-b | Kzim: you cat file into itself |
| 14:13.34 | tirkal | what should be the ServerRoot dir for Apache 1.3 on Debian Sarge? |
| 14:13.48 | Kzim | zenja-b: not good ? |
| 14:13.53 | Guerin | Kzim: use sed -i for that task |
| 14:14.01 | Guerin | tirkal: /var/www |
| 14:14.04 | hramrach_ | xterm-color |
| 14:14.05 | zenja-b | Kzim: yes, not good |
| 14:14.06 | Kzim | Guerin: i check thanks |
| 14:14.07 | tirkal | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 14:14.10 | Kzim | :/ |
| 14:14.13 | Coke | Does gcc-3.2 look for include files in /usr/local/include by default or does it need to be specified? |
| 14:14.21 | Phated | Kzim: Can you say infinite loop... ? |
| 14:14.28 | Thong | I messed up my guarddog settings, I told it to reset to defaults... Can anyone help me get them rest correctly |
| 14:14.28 | Bedad | well it will match everything but www.toto.com so only that line will be removed |
| 14:14.28 | nashirak | exit |
| 14:14.40 | jetscreamer | Phated: Moebius |
| 14:14.48 | Guerin | hramrach_: hrm, I had trouble with screen recently using a $TERM of screen.linux; which doesn't exist on all systems. Clearly not the same problem. |
| 14:14.49 | hramrach_ | It's the default for Apple's terminal and used to work quite well |
| 14:14.57 | zenja-b | Phated: its not infinite, file will get smaller in each step... |
| 14:14.59 | Phated | jetscreamer: I love that Moebius that you do. :) |
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| 14:15.11 | Phated | zenja-b: Not bigger? |
| 14:15.26 | zenja-b | he was using > not >> |
| 14:15.30 | Phated | Ahh. |
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| 14:16.32 | Guerin | wtf, it's RAINING |
| 14:16.40 | Phated | Dude, it's allowed to rain. |
| 14:16.49 | jetscreamer | in korea? gee, go figure. |
| 14:16.53 | Guerin | a week ago it was so cold that ice in puddles was freezing in full sunlight |
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| 14:17.03 | hramrach_ | it does not work with TERM=xterm and real xterm either |
| 14:17.03 | Guerin | in winter, it NEVER rains here |
| 14:17.10 | Phated | Ice can't freeze, man... :) |
| 14:17.12 | Thong | I messed up my guarddog settings, I told it to reset to defaults... Can anyone help me get them reset correctly |
| 14:17.13 | jetscreamer | hell i have to put my ac on during the day and the heater at night, here. |
| 14:17.20 | Guerin | Phated: you know what I mean |
| 14:17.24 | Phated | Guerin: :D |
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| 14:17.58 | jetscreamer | hey i just thought of what to send all the tsunami victims. cats. |
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| 14:18.07 | Guerin | jetscreamer: ... |
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| 14:18.22 | Bedad | hey, how can i prevent gnome being the windows manager, i want kde to be, i have installed kdm and xdm etc, but i dont get a choice of what i want to boot into |
| 14:18.25 | Guerin | jetscreamer: I would have thought "water purification tablets" |
| 14:18.30 | Phated | jetscreamer: ...? |
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| 14:18.44 | Phated | Bedad: Yeah uninstall those, install gdm. |
| 14:18.47 | Fdisko | Hi all |
| 14:18.49 | Guerin | no |
| 14:18.51 | Phated | Bedad: Or, hey, just uninstall gnome. |
| 14:18.53 | Guerin | kdm is ok |
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| 14:18.55 | jetscreamer | they provide lova and affection, and when you get hungry.... |
| 14:19.02 | jetscreamer | s/lova/love/ |
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| 14:19.09 | Guerin | Bedad: dpkg-reconfigure kdm; select it as the default *dm |
| 14:19.15 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you lose. |
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| 14:19.50 | Bedad | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kdm is broken or not fully installed |
| 14:19.54 | Bedad | :( |
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| 14:20.04 | Guerin | Bedad: apt-get -f install |
| 14:20.06 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install |
| 14:20.09 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 14:20.14 | Bedad | lol |
| 14:20.16 | Bedad | thanks :) |
| 14:20.18 | fatalerror | Just a warning for prozilla users: it will be removed from Debian tonight. |
| 14:20.19 | Guerin | jetscreamer: /nick redundant |
| 14:20.26 | fatalerror | A replacement can be 'axel', just try it ;) |
| 14:20.29 | Phated | "Prozilla"? |
| 14:20.29 | Guerin | !info prozilla |
| 14:20.35 | dpkg | prozilla: (Multi-threaded download accelerator), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.6-13 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 14:20.40 | Guerin | gah |
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| 14:20.45 | Phated | Download accelerators? We HAVE those? |
| 14:20.47 | Guerin | those things are fucking evil anyway |
| 14:20.55 | greycat | !stop prozilla |
| 14:20.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, stop prozilla is http://dominia.org/djao/limitipconn.html -- an apache module to limit concurrent connections from a single IP address, or apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 14:20.56 | Phated | What he said. |
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| 14:21.20 | fatalerror | well, it will be removed anyway |
| 14:21.23 | Thong | Guarddog website said to come here to ask questions and get answers, others said dont waist my time as you were just a bunch of punk kids chatting. |
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| 14:21.27 | mwilson | People who use them must be shot. |
| 14:21.30 | jetscreamer | hey oh yeah. wtf IS a download accelerator, i keep seeing them advertised on netscape internet commercials. how does it do what it claims to do. |
| 14:21.32 | fatalerror | but axel is still a multi-threaded download accelerator |
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| 14:21.49 | Shadur | jetscreamer: Essentially it's some imbecile's idea of getting around transfer rate limitations. |
| 14:21.57 | Phated | jetscreamer: It splits a file into chunks and downloads chunks from the same site. Pretty much multiple connections. |
| 14:22.02 | mwilson | It's a poor-man's bittorrent. |
| 14:22.06 | Shadur | Instead of a single download, it uses the RESUME facilities to download multiple chunks at once. |
| 14:22.07 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:22.21 | jetscreamer | huh. thankee all. |
| 14:22.23 | Guerin | irony: I used to try to use them to get more than 5K/s on my 56k modem back when I used windows :) |
| 14:22.31 | Shadur | So if a webserver only allows 10K/s per connection, you can get 100K/s by downloading ten chunks at a time. |
| 14:22.52 | mwilson | And max it out so no one else can get a connection at the same time. |
| 14:22.55 | Phated | Guerin: No, they're fine on Windows, they're non-evil compared to the other rubbish you're using anyway. :) |
| 14:23.04 | greycat | Or if a web server only allows 5 connections at a time, you get around the limitation by using up all 5 connections and denying anyone else the ability to connect. |
| 14:23.06 | jetscreamer | ahhh that "wtf i can't d/l anything else till the first shit finishes" syndrome. |
| 14:23.15 | Guerin | Phated: reread what I was trying to do and think it through for a bit... |
| 14:23.18 | Shadur | Of course, you're irritating the hell out of the website's admin and clogging up the webserver so that nobody else can get in but hey, who cares, right? As long as *your* connection goes faster. |
| 14:23.28 | Phated | Guerin: We-ll... It -was- 56k. :) |
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| 14:23.38 | Shadur | It's quite literally a tool to allow you to be a bigger asshole on the net. And people *LOVE* it. |
| 14:23.42 | fatalerror | Shadur: it's not exactly how it works |
| 14:24.03 | fatalerror | it doesn't necessarily get the file from the same place four times |
| 14:24.08 | Shadur | fatalerror: You have my magnanimous permission to enlighten me as to what detail I got wrong. |
| 14:24.14 | fatalerror | it can get a 'slice' from one mirror, another from another, and so on |
| 14:24.17 | greycat | fatalerror: I can show you my fucking logs. |
| 14:24.24 | stallman | dammm its been a long time since I heard the grinding of floppy a: |
| 14:24.46 | Shadur | fatalerror: IIRC that only works if the site that does the offering had a specific facility to let DA know where to find mirrors. |
| 14:25.01 | Kzim | grr i m not good with echo or sed how can i delete whole line where there a text in a file ? |
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| 14:25.09 | fatalerror | Shadur: the user can specify different locations of the file manually |
| 14:25.10 | greycat | Kzim: sed '/pattern/d' |
| 14:25.12 | Phated | Edit the file, FFS. |
| 14:25.15 | Phated | :) |
| 14:25.22 | robewald_ | hi, someone tried to compile kde cvs on debian lately? |
| 14:25.24 | Guerin | that won't delete the whole line |
| 14:25.36 | greycat | Guerin: care to try it? :) |
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| 14:25.50 | Shadur | fatalerror: And how many people that use DA in the first place are competent enough to figure out how to do that? Or bother to even if they could? |
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| 14:26.03 | jetscreamer | the /d means delete? w/o the trailing / ? |
| 14:26.16 | Guerin | oh, so it does |
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| 14:26.20 | greycat | diff /etc/profile <(sed '/PATH/d' </etc/profile) |
| 14:26.44 | greycat | jetscreamer: note the LACK of the beginning "s". |
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| 14:26.56 | SlayerXP | !wayc robewald_ |
| 14:27.03 | dpkg | robewald_: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 14:27.16 | jetscreamer | s/or/of/ |
| 14:27.18 | Kzim | greycat: can't make that work :( |
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| 14:27.26 | greycat | can't make WHAT work? |
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| 14:27.33 | Kzim | sed '/pattern/d' |
| 14:27.35 | greycat | what is the ACTUAL, FULL command you are typing? what is the ERROR? |
| 14:27.55 | Phated | Look, now you've got greycat annoyed. |
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| 14:28.21 | robewald_ | dpkg: because cvs is not in the repository... |
| 14:28.21 | dpkg | robewald_: what are you talking about? |
| 14:28.22 | greycat | Someone else may have to translate it into newbiespeak for me. E.g. "I want it to edit the file in-place, but I can't be bothered SAYING THAT!!!" |
| 14:28.22 | rob0 | run, save yourself! |
| 14:28.22 | ephic | ok lets see, when i go to startkde, it says.. xsetroot unable to open display,ksplash cannot connect to x server,$DISPLAY not set,ksmserver cannot connect to x server |
| 14:28.29 | jetscreamer | more like he knows if he doesn't specify actual full and error it won't be given, usually |
| 14:28.44 | netic | hi there. where can i find ( it should probably be somewhere in /usr dir) the example configuration file for emacs? |
| 14:29.01 | SlayerXP | robewald_: seems like you have mistaken #debian for #kde |
| 14:29.01 | ephic | and it says im up to date on my x server.. |
| 14:29.02 | Kzim | diff /etc/proftpd <(sed '/www.toto.com/d' </etc/proftpd) |
| 14:29.05 | jetscreamer | i look in /etc/emac or something |
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| 14:29.11 | jetscreamer | or /usr/share/doc |
| 14:29.31 | jetscreamer | s/i/i'd/ |
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| 14:30.00 | jetscreamer | okie, sign off so i can accomplish shit time, ciao |
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| 14:30.16 | Guerin | ephic: are you trying to run it as root, or something stupid? |
| 14:30.19 | pauliukas | Guys, I need help and if anyone could help me out. It would be awesome. I just need to run a console server program in the backround. |
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| 14:30.21 | _fab_ | hi at all |
| 14:30.23 | greycat | Kzim: and that spits out an old-school type "diff" showing that the sed command did, in fact, delete that line from the input stream. yes? |
| 14:30.33 | ephic | i tried to run it as root yes. |
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| 14:30.56 | ephic | could it be a problem with xfree86 not pickin up my vid card? |
| 14:31.23 | Guerin | ephic: does x run when you do startx /usr/bin/X11/twm; ? |
| 14:31.24 | pauliukas | anyone? |
| 14:31.33 | ephic | nope. |
| 14:31.35 | Kzim | greycat: perhaps my english isn't good by this command didn't work :( |
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| 14:31.37 | ephic | pops up a lil dialog.. |
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| 14:31.50 | greycat | someone else deal with it for me. I can't bear it. |
| 14:31.54 | pauliukas | So nobody has ever run programs in the backround? |
| 14:31.55 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: okay, you have our permission to do so. |
| 14:31.56 | Guerin | ephic: so then X works fine; kde doesn't. |
| 14:32.09 | greycat | Hand the idiot a "sed -i" and a HTH. HAND. or something. |
| 14:32.18 | Guerin | pauliukas: command & |
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| 14:32.35 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, I know, but HOW can I do that? I saw a really "bad" tutorial on screens on the net... But it didn't work with SSH |
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| 14:32.43 | Kzim | greycat: i m sorry :( let it down i ll reread all thanks :) |
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| 14:32.52 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: why did you think it would? |
| 14:32.54 | stallman | jetstreamer... thanks for your help... Got the boot floppies made. will be back in a while |
| 14:32.59 | pauliukas | Guerin, Any HOW-TO on that? Or could you give me further instructions |
| 14:33.00 | ephic | fatawl IO error on xserver :0.0 |
| 14:33.03 | ephic | is what i got.. |
| 14:33.24 | Guerin | pauliukas: howto on what? backgrounding a command isn't worthy of a howto - just run command & |
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| 14:33.38 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, BEcause I'm logged in as root and the server is located near my feet. I just use SSH for my servers... The turorial required pressing CTRL+A+D |
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| 14:33.56 | netic | jetscreamer: thanks. but there are too many files ( like condom, sex... :-) ) and i dont really know which one it is |
| 14:34.03 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: what _exactly_ are you trying to do? |
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| 14:34.08 | pauliukas | Guerin, Ok so, '& ./myprogram +parameters' |
| 14:34.11 | Linoleum | hello, is it usefull for desktop computer to have partion like /usr, /tmp /boot /var , etc ... or should a desktop computer have just / and /home (and why not only / then?) |
| 14:34.21 | Guerin | pauliukas: is that what I said? |
| 14:34.22 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, Running a game server on one of my Linux boxes |
| 14:34.23 | rob0 | more info from the beginning would have helped, pauliukas |
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| 14:34.32 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: then what gueron said |
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| 14:34.35 | SlayerXP | Guerin: |
| 14:34.38 | ephic | how would i modify the configuration for displays? |
| 14:34.40 | rob0 | help disown |
| 14:34.43 | ephic | i think that might be the problem. |
| 14:34.44 | Guerin | pauliukas: ./myprogram -options & |
| 14:34.47 | rob0 | pauliukas: ^^ |
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| 14:35.01 | Kzim | greycat: sed '/www.toto.com/d' < /etc/proftpd.conf thanks a lot this work ! |
| 14:35.05 | pauliukas | Guerin, How could I then close the program? If it crashes? |
| 14:35.09 | kantai | Lineoleum: people like different things, I have just / |
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| 14:35.17 | rob0 | pauliukas: man killall |
| 14:35.21 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: man ps; man grep; man kill |
| 14:35.35 | Guerin | pauliukas: man kill; man killall, man pkill, man pidof, man ps :) |
| 14:35.44 | Guerin | there are probably some I forgot |
| 14:35.49 | pauliukas | And finnaly, is there any way of making the program no more in the backround... like to view it's console for a while? |
| 14:36.06 | rob0 | pauliukas: man screen |
| 14:36.11 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: 'fg' sometimes, see also 'man screen' |
| 14:36.27 | pauliukas | ok nice. Thanks guys. It's all the info I ever wanted. You're the best HOW-TOs in the world. |
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| 14:36.28 | SlayerXP | see also a newbies guide to UNIX |
| 14:36.33 | valdyn_ | pauliukas: backgrounding a process doesnt change its stdin or stdout |
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| 14:36.40 | rob0 | altho to be fair, "man screen" is a bit ... deep |
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| 14:37.02 | greycat | screen(1) owns j00. |
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| 14:37.41 | Phated | What he said, only s/o/0/ |
| 14:37.42 | noroute | the kdevelop project files do not seem to be included in "apt-get source kdebase". Why's that? |
| 14:37.58 | greycat | sorry, I should've used 0wnz. |
| 14:38.06 | kantai | have you tried apt-get source kdevelop? |
| 14:38.12 | Phated | Well yeah. :) And a couple dozen !'s. :) |
| 14:38.32 | valdyn_ | noroute: and _ide_ isnt exactly _basic_ for a desktop? |
| 14:38.43 | SlayerXP | WHERE 2 GET A CLUE??!?!?!?! |
| 14:38.54 | mossd | what is the point |
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| 14:39.00 | Phated | SlayerXP: "wher" "gt" |
| 14:39.02 | valdyn_ | noroute: oh nevermind, the error goes way deeper =p |
| 14:39.34 | noroute | noroute: No. I'm talking about the files the kde people use to organize the source. I thought they belong there... |
| 14:39.36 | SlayerXP | dpkg, hornyclue is Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 14:39.37 | dpkg | SlayerXP: okay |
| 14:40.01 | Guerin | yet another quality factoid from SlayerXP |
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| 14:40.11 | Phated | !win SlayerXP |
| 14:40.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, SlayerXP! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 14:40.34 | Bedad | tis now all working back to normal, with like such ease |
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| 14:40.44 | sigma957 | suddenly this morning my unstable debian box won't boot with a kernel error about mount and exited with preempt_count 1. anyone know anything about this? It worked fine yesterday and yes I did upgrade yesterday |
| 14:41.09 | Bedad | has anyone used pptp-linux? |
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| 14:41.16 | Guerin | sigma957: but you kkept a working kernel, right? |
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| 14:41.44 | sigma957 | I didn't upgrade my kernel, just regular apt-get upgrade |
| 14:42.11 | Guerin | sigma957: sometimes the kernel upgrades too; especially in the case of security holes like recent kernels have had. |
| 14:42.42 | Guerin | sigma957: but you checked which packages were going to be upgraded, right? |
| 14:42.51 | rob0 | Bedad: I prefer openvpn, more flexible and secure |
| 14:43.03 | Bedad | rob0, is it easy to use? |
| 14:43.19 | rob0 | I think so, but YMMV |
| 14:43.21 | SlayerXP | rob0: if he's using pptp then security isn't an issue for him anyway |
| 14:43.22 | sigma957 | guerin: hmm... Yeah I did... I have another debian install that wasn't upgraded that works.. I can mount that drive and take a look |
| 14:43.36 | Bedad | SlayerXP, yeh that's true, pptp hardly offers much security |
| 14:43.58 | Guerin | sigma957: yeah. check the BTS and file if you find a solution |
| 14:44.04 | Bedad | but unfortunately windows won't implement ipsec, only their own pptp over ipsec, and we have windows users :-S |
| 14:44.24 | sigma957 | guerin I did check bts, didn't find anything, but I did look under mount.. I'll check kernels too |
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| 14:44.30 | pauliukas | they have IPSEC for Windows XP |
| 14:44.34 | pauliukas | *WIndows server 2003 |
| 14:44.38 | rob0 | there is openvpn for windows, too. |
| 14:44.45 | SlayerXP | Bedad: lots of windows ipsec implementations will quite cheerfully talk to freeswan |
| 14:45.22 | Bedad | hmm cool |
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| 14:47.05 | exalted | hi there |
| 14:47.16 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 14:47.17 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
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| 14:49.44 | kremlyn | OpenVPN rocks the casbah. |
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| 14:50.00 | mh_le | what version of gnome comes with debian? |
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| 14:50.11 | kremlyn | what version of debian? |
| 14:50.11 | greycat | yeah, but in a fight between screen(1) and OpenVPN, who would win? |
| 14:50.21 | mh_le | kremlyn: current |
| 14:50.29 | rob0 | you can run openvpn in screen |
| 14:50.30 | greycat | what is "current" in your mind? are you a BSD user? |
| 14:50.31 | Guerin | screen has more day-to-day use |
| 14:50.38 | kremlyn | there are three currents |
| 14:50.44 | kremlyn | stable, testing and unstable. |
| 14:50.47 | fatalerror | No |
| 14:50.48 | kremlyn | ;-) |
| 14:50.52 | greycat | four, if you count the North Atlantic current! |
| 14:50.53 | mh_le | greycat: I mean the current version, the newest.. |
| 14:50.58 | greycat | !newest |
| 14:50.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 14:50.59 | fatalerror | testing and unstable are development versions, not officially distributed Debian |
| 14:51.01 | SlayerXP | kremlyn: and there's the one we don't tell newbies about |
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| 14:51.12 | Delph | SlayerXP: you dont tell anyone about that one... |
| 14:51.13 | pauliukas | Guys, the server is now running with "&" but it's quite interfering with my console. As all it's messages from the console are displayed wenever I 'nano' or just use bash. |
| 14:51.18 | fatalerror | Debian GNU/Linux, officially, is the released version (3.0r4) |
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| 14:51.24 | pauliukas | Also, will it be gone when I will logout out of ssh? |
| 14:51.25 | greycat | fatalerror: that would be woody. |
| 14:51.30 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: learn to use redirects |
| 14:51.31 | fatalerror | greenfly: precisely |
| 14:51.35 | greycat | a.k.a. stable |
| 14:51.39 | fatalerror | woody comes with gnome 1.4, by the way |
| 14:51.42 | Guerin | pauliukas: look at redirecting the output to a logfile or something |
| 14:51.48 | greycat | woody is also 3 years old. |
| 14:51.49 | mh_le | fatalerror: okay, which version of GNOME comes with that? |
| 14:51.50 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, Doesn't Linux have daemons? For running this kind of stuff? |
| 14:51.51 | kremlyn | mh_le: You most likely want to run testing. |
| 14:51.54 | Guerin | pauliukas: I think it's in man bash - it's definitely in ... |
| 14:51.55 | fatalerror | mh_le: 1.4 |
| 14:51.56 | greycat | mh_le: packages.debian.org |
| 14:52.00 | Guerin | !abs guide |
| 14:52.00 | dpkg | abs guide is, like, The advanced Bash Scripting Guide is your bash bible. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 14:52.04 | fatalerror | greycat: what doesn't make it less official |
| 14:52.08 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: you appear to have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 14:52.10 | Guerin | pauliukas: ^^ under "redirection" |
| 14:52.15 | pauliukas | Ok, will the program stay when I logout of SSH? |
| 14:52.27 | fatalerror | greycat: And if you think woody is old, don't criticize it, help the release of sarge |
| 14:52.30 | Guerin | pauliukas: are you running it in screen like you were told? |
| 14:52.31 | greycat | pauliukas: if you use screen, disown, or nohup... yes. |
| 14:52.32 | mh_le | kremlyn: and what version is in testing? |
| 14:52.33 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: does your systems administrator know that you're running game servers on the network? |
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| 14:52.52 | dar | How to load quota support into my kernel? |
| 14:52.53 | Guerin | cue "I'm the sysadmin" |
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| 14:53.05 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, I'm the sysadmin of my network. I just got a static IP last week and I want to see how well it works |
| 14:53.07 | greycat | fatalerror: I'm not criticizing it. I'm anticipating the SEVEN HUNDRED HOURS OF TROLLING that usually follows that discussion |
| 14:53.12 | pauliukas | plus, I'm logged in as root |
| 14:53.14 | Guerin | cue "monkeys with root passwords" |
| 14:53.18 | fatalerror | greycat: hm, ok |
| 14:53.19 | fatalerror | heh |
| 14:53.22 | hramrach_ | aargh, it mus be something on debian. If I run irssi through ssh in a local screen it resizes correcly, if I ssh to debian and run irssi there it does not resize |
| 14:53.25 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: you are not the sysadmin, you are a chimp with the root password. |
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| 14:53.46 | fatalerror | and has woody had it's third anniversary yet? |
| 14:53.49 | gothtec | when it comes to computer screens... what the hell is a "mesh screen"? |
| 14:53.50 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: go and read a UNIX Newbie guide, then come back with sensible questions |
| 14:53.54 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, Portscan me and you'll see that I'm the only guy in there. Plus you'll see that the IP will lead to residential |
| 14:54.03 | Guerin | fatalerror: depends when you count from :) |
| 14:54.03 | fatalerror | it so, I hadn't noticed that |
| 14:54.11 | fatalerror | hm, not yet |
| 14:54.16 | rob0 | I am a dog. /dev/woof |
| 14:54.30 | greycat | fatalerror: the people who do the "official" things won't count it as being 3 years old because they'll go by the *release* date instead of the date when it was feature-frozen. |
| 14:54.36 | fatalerror | ok, woody is 2 years and a half |
| 14:54.36 | fatalerror | heh |
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| 14:54.44 | pauliukas | SlayerXP, I came to Linux because of Window's licensing costs. I didn't want to pay another 500$ for another Windows server 2003 license. I though that linux would be less complicated |
| 14:54.48 | greycat | it was *released* 2.5 years ago. It was *frozen* 3 years ago. |
| 14:54.59 | fatalerror | greycat: heh |
| 14:54.59 | greycat | It has not gotten any new software in 3 years. |
| 14:55.00 | Guerin | pauliukas: you need to read. |
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| 14:55.11 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 14:55.31 | greycat | pauliukas: Linux is just Unix with a better license. |
| 14:55.37 | Guerin | pauliukas: you're picking up a new OS, and hopefully a new skill or two. This doesn't come free; you need to work at it. |
| 14:55.43 | greycat | pauliukas: it's just as complex and intricate and powerful as any commercial Unix. |
| 14:55.46 | SlayerXP | pauliukas: linux is no more of less complicated than linux. you simply have to know what you're doing. the way to do that is to learn, and you can start by reading a book that deal with UNIX fundamentals. |
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| 14:55.57 | Guerin | !tell pauliukas about fundamentals |
| 14:56.05 | Guerin | !tell pauliukas about abs guide |
| 14:56.14 | Phated | SlayerXP: QOTD; "linux is no more of less complicated than linux." :) |
| 14:56.14 | gothtec | pauliukas: and if you're used to windows, it has quite a steep learning curve. things get easier when you get into the fell of it |
| 14:56.26 | SlayerXP | s/of/or/ :) |
| 14:56.27 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 14:56.34 | pauliukas | I did read Linux for dummies... |
| 14:56.47 | Guerin | pauliukas: read it again, because it seems not to have rubbed off. |
| 14:56.50 | SlayerXP | you seem to have skipped some chapter |
| 14:56.51 | SlayerXP | s |
| 14:56.52 | pauliukas | Except the whole book just showed screenshots of Gnome and how to resize windows |
| 14:56.57 | exalted | When i want to "module-assistant prepare" i get this error: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/947 Can you help me? |
| 14:56.57 | pauliukas | which is quite obvious |
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| 14:57.05 | gothtec | what's he trying to do anyway? |
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| 14:57.10 | Kzim | damn |
| 14:57.19 | SlayerXP | gothtec: run some game server in the background |
| 14:57.19 | greycat | gothtec: pauliukas is apparently trying to run a game server and logout. |
| 14:57.28 | Guerin | gothtec: run a game server in a ssh session. |
| 14:57.28 | gothtec | screen? |
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| 14:57.33 | greycat | we told him about screen, disown and nohup already. so now he's just trolling and whining. |
| 14:57.41 | gothtec | oh.. |
| 14:57.47 | pauliukas | I already got apache runnning in backround |
| 14:57.49 | SlayerXP | we also told him to use redirects |
| 14:57.50 | Phated | Linux for Dummies is just Red Hat for Dummies renamed. |
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| 14:58.12 | shadebob | hi, someone used hylafax + postfix to send fax from faxmail function? |
| 14:58.20 | greycat | pauliukas: yeah, I'm sure "apt-get install apache" was a real brain-bender. |
| 14:58.22 | gothtec | pauliukas: you really should read the manpages for the three things greycat mentioned. leave that book of yours alone |
| 14:58.35 | greycat | disown is a bash builtin, so it has a help page, not a man page |
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| 14:58.46 | gothtec | right |
| 14:58.48 | Kzim | i still can't understand why sed help me. cause i still can't echo a file in itself :/ |
| 14:58.52 | gothtec | read the help then :) |
| 14:58.56 | greycat | Kzim: you want to edit a file in place? |
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| 14:59.19 | exalted | > When i want to "module-assistant prepare" i get this error: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/947 Can you help me? |
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| 14:59.27 | Guerin | heh, when I went back to NZ last and had to install sarge for my mum, I left all my install media in the wrong bag - I went around her little town trying to find someone with 1/4 a clue about linux to crib a debian cd or a hundred MB of bandwidth off - I considered buying linux for dummies with free rh7.0 cds... until I found a mag with a knoppix covercd. |
| 14:59.35 | SlayerXP | could someone teach the bot an action for me? |
| 14:59.43 | Phated | SlayerXP: What? :) |
| 14:59.43 | Kzim | my english is bad for 'in place' but i can delete a line from a .conf file that all :/ i want the output of a sed but in the same file |
| 14:59.55 | Kzim | like sed '/www.toto.com/d' /etc/proftpd.conf > /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 15:00.00 | greycat | Kzim: sed '...' <file >tmpfile && mv tmpfile file |
| 15:00.01 | Kzim | but this not work |
| 15:00.02 | Delph | Kzim: man sed && search for 'in place' |
| 15:00.04 | Guerin | SlayerXP: dpkg, foo $1 is <action> bars the baz. |
| 15:00.09 | greycat | Delph: only in sarge. |
| 15:00.13 | Delph | hah. |
| 15:00.19 | greycat | woody's sed is not GNU sed 4.x and therefore lacks the -i switch. |
| 15:00.22 | Kzim | i have sarge |
| 15:00.22 | SlayerXP | cluedrill being /me bores a hole into $idiots head with an electric power drill and then insert clues with a red hot poker |
| 15:00.23 | Guerin | Kzim: sed -i '/www.toto.com/d' /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 15:00.24 | Delph | then do what greycat said. |
| 15:00.31 | greycat | UNIX sed is also not GNU sed 4.x and therefore lacks the -i switch, which is NOT PORTABLE. |
| 15:00.34 | SlayerXP | insertS |
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| 15:00.50 | Phated | !cluedrill $1 is <action> bores a hole into $1's head with an electric power drill and then inserts clue with a red hot poker. |
| 15:00.51 | dpkg | okay, Phated |
| 15:00.57 | greycat | SlayerXP: wouldn't the clues get scorched? |
| 15:00.59 | SlayerXP | clueS |
| 15:01.00 | Phated | Enjoy. :) |
| 15:01.03 | Kzim | sec se ci test thanks |
| 15:01.05 | Phated | Shoorry. |
| 15:01.07 | SlayerXP | greycat: clues are immutable |
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| 15:01.32 | Phated | !cmd: cluedrill (.*?) =~ s/inserts clue/inserts clues/ |
| 15:01.44 | Phated | dpkg, cmd: cluedrill (.*?) =~ s/inserts clue/inserts clues/ |
| 15:01.44 | Kzim | arf it work now thanks a lot aand sorry for all |
| 15:01.44 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
| 15:01.47 | Phated | There. |
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| 15:01.56 | Bedad | hmm does kernel 2.6.8 come wiht MPPE support ? |
| 15:02.00 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill Phated |
| 15:02.10 | SlayerXP | cool, thanks |
| 15:02.14 | Phated | Anytime. |
| 15:02.24 | kzar | I am trying to see what pci cards are in a pc, no /proc/pci because its using a 2.6 kernel. I was sure it was somthing like procpci to look when you use 2.6 kernels but that isnt working? |
| 15:02.35 | rob0 | MPPE will never, can never, be included in the Linux kernel. Patch it. |
| 15:02.38 | robewald_ | kzar: lspci |
| 15:02.41 | exalted | >> When i want to "module-assistant prepare" i get this error: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/947 Can you help me? |
| 15:02.43 | xam | kzar: lspci? |
| 15:02.46 | kzar | thanks |
| 15:02.53 | Bedad | ahh cool cheers |
| 15:03.03 | kzar | compleately forgot it :o , cya |
| 15:03.04 | hramrach_ | Why mppe cannot be included? |
| 15:03.11 | greycat | exalted: repeating every 5 minutes is just going to make people hate you. |
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| 15:03.27 | rob0 | The "M" in MPPE stands for Microsoft |
| 15:03.34 | vlazar | how do i force checking on a reiserfs filesystem? |
| 15:03.35 | greycat | !+mppe |
| 15:03.45 | hramrach_ | SMB is microsoft too |
| 15:03.55 | SlayerXP | vlazar: fsck for resier does nothing worthwhile |
| 15:04.02 | hramrach_ | Althogh not by the name |
| 15:04.02 | Guerin | samba is not, though |
| 15:04.10 | exalted | greycat, as i ritual i just repeat my quest until ">>" which meand 3 times and that's all. Thx for your interest. |
| 15:04.11 | greycat | samba is also not kernel-space |
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| 15:04.29 | SlayerXP | it mays as well be "Reformat (y/n) ?" |
| 15:04.31 | hramrach_ | It is, patially. Just like mppe |
| 15:04.39 | hramrach_ | partially |
| 15:04.42 | vlazar | SlayerXP, i think that the filesystem is corupt. is there a way to check it like one would with ext3? |
| 15:04.55 | mh_le | what's the alternative to downloading 15 cds? |
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| 15:05.03 | SlayerXP | vlazar: resier is a tree based file system |
| 15:05.04 | Guerin | motion picture porn editor? |
| 15:05.05 | rob0 | greycat: you're lucky :) |
| 15:05.19 | Guerin | mh_le: download a 40MB install disk. |
| 15:05.21 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.21 | rob0 | encryption for PPTP |
| 15:05.26 | SlayerXP | vlazar: if it's corrupted, just wipe the disk and restore from your backup |
| 15:05.34 | vlazar | SlayerXP, :-D |
| 15:05.42 | exalted | Have a nice day guys, bye... |
| 15:05.45 | greycat | mh_le: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 15:06.01 | vlazar | SlayerXP, rite. no backups no nothing. so there is nothing to be done about it? |
| 15:06.13 | dar | How to load quota support into my kernel? |
| 15:06.14 | SlayerXP | vlazar: no backups? what do you mean? |
| 15:06.18 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 15:06.18 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 15:06.26 | Guerin | hrm, I think I can answer exalted's question now... |
| 15:06.40 | vlazar | SlayerXP, you mean metadata backups? |
| 15:06.45 | SlayerXP | no |
| 15:06.49 | Om | Do any of the debian java packages contain the files you need to make java applets work in firefox? |
| 15:06.56 | greycat | Om: /msg dpkg java |
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| 15:07.21 | Guerin | !backups |
| 15:07.21 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 15:07.38 | SlayerXP | vlazar: there is a reiserfsck, the chances are it will do nothing useful |
| 15:08.11 | vlazar | SlayerXP, ok. and how do I fix the filesystem then? |
| 15:08.35 | SlayerXP | run the fsck program on the affected partition |
| 15:08.37 | SlayerXP | and pray |
| 15:08.39 | hramrach_ | I tried reiserfsck once, mkreiserfs is faster and better :) |
| 15:08.55 | Guerin | hramrach_: same effect, then? |
| 15:09.10 | greycat | !ricerfs |
| 15:09.10 | dpkg | ricerfs is, like, the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 15:09.10 | aglet | I'm trying to get Dell's afacli RAID management tool running on a 2450 under Woody; it's not seeing the controller. Anyone happen to have done this..? |
| 15:09.11 | SlayerXP | Guerin: no, mkresierfs leaves you with a non-corrupt partition |
| 15:09.13 | hramrach_ | no, mkreiserfs makes the partition usable |
| 15:09.18 | SlayerXP | for a while anyway |
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| 15:10.14 | markus__ | Where can i see what packages i have installed with apt-get? |
| 15:10.27 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 15:10.27 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:10.31 | Phated | markus__: dpkg --get-selections | less. |
| 15:10.37 | Guerin | SlayerXP: right you are. |
| 15:10.55 | Phated | greycat: Shorry. |
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| 15:11.10 | Phated | Am I allowed to just... randomly hit people with this, then? |
| 15:11.27 | directhex|work | to be fair, i have a current filesystem record of 1 ext3 death, about 30 fat32 deaths, and no deaths of other file systems |
| 15:11.40 | directhex|work | those fat32 deaths under windows, of course |
| 15:12.00 | markus__ | thanks Phated |
| 15:12.00 | takatumi | directhex|work: tried reiserfs? |
| 15:12.10 | directhex|work | takatumi, yes, yes i have |
| 15:12.25 | directhex|work | takatumi, i stopped using it at my last reformat because people told me it was bad. then ext3 ate my /home |
| 15:12.31 | Phated | Ouch. |
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| 15:12.39 | hramrach_ | I had a few ext2 deaths under GNU/Hurd and some minor corruptions I did not care about :) |
| 15:12.40 | takatumi | have kinda abused reiserfs, yet to lose data, not on debian though. |
| 15:12.42 | Phated | Hang on, was that the ~ you were mourning? |
| 15:12.47 | greycat | !start an fs war |
| 15:12.48 | dpkg | FAT16 uses too much overhead! |
| 15:12.48 | directhex|work | yes, it was |
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| 15:12.53 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 15:13.04 | directhex|work | my poor ~ |
| 15:13.08 | directhex|work | i had work in there i did |
| 15:13.14 | Linoleum | directhex|work so reiserfs is bad? |
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| 15:13.29 | SlayerXP | vlazar: do I need to mock you for not having backups, or was it just throwaway data? |
| 15:13.38 | guru | is kernel 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 in apt yet? |
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| 15:13.53 | takatumi | guru: both are in sid. |
| 15:14.00 | Guerin | directhex|work: so what now? XFS? |
| 15:14.01 | guru | ahh, i'm on sarge |
| 15:14.03 | directhex|work | Linoleum, ext3 ate my /home, never had reiser-related death |
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| 15:14.13 | directhex|work | Guerin, JFS i think .XFS doesn't cope well with power loss |
| 15:14.26 | Linoleum | ate your /home ?? do you mean your home is death? |
| 15:14.26 | Guerin | directhex|work: heard that too. |
| 15:14.32 | aglet | aha, for anyone wanting to know how to make it happen you need to make the /dev/afa0 |
| 15:14.33 | mh_le | whoch iso should I download if I can't to install over the net? |
| 15:14.39 | greycat | mh_le: #1 |
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| 15:14.44 | tuxillo | I'm using XFS sucessfully since 6 months ago, power loss included :P |
| 15:14.47 | Guerin | Linoleum: yes. Didn't you know directhex|work is a vampire called dyana? |
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| 15:14.51 | Phated | Ahem. |
| 15:14.53 | Linoleum | mh_le just the iso 1 |
| 15:14.58 | greycat | but you should SERIOUSLY reconsider your needs if you think you want to install a Linux box without a network connection available. |
| 15:15.01 | FraDe | hi2all |
| 15:15.02 | Linoleum | ;) |
| 15:15.02 | Phated | That sounds vaguely wrong. |
| 15:15.04 | guru | debian sarge dvd |
| 15:15.09 | guru | feck wrong window |
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| 15:15.12 | Bedad | hmm why with kdm at the prompt login window, does it say root logins not allowed? |
| 15:15.14 | mh_le | Linoleum and greycat: thanks |
| 15:15.15 | takatumi | vampiress? |
| 15:15.15 | abrotman | i've never had ext3 eat itself except by drive failure |
| 15:15.17 | Om | So you can't just download a .deb package for sarge that has the needed files to make it work in a browser? |
| 15:15.18 | Bedad | or something along those lines anyway |
| 15:15.21 | vlazar | SlayerXP, it is not even my machine. I am trying to fix what others have spoiled :-D |
| 15:15.23 | directhex|work | Guerin, i finished that game, ta |
| 15:15.24 | Phated | Bedad: Because root logins aren't allowed. |
| 15:15.25 | Guerin | Bedad: why do YOU think? |
| 15:15.25 | humbolt | I had testing and unstable mirrors in my sources.list and did a dist-upgrade. now I have testing as well as unstable packages installed since I forgot to set priorities in apt/preferences. How can I get back to a clean sarge???? |
| 15:15.27 | greycat | Om: /msg dpkg java |
| 15:15.34 | Bedad | erm well they were before |
| 15:15.38 | Bedad | until i had to reinstall kdm |
| 15:15.41 | bsims | hrm SuperKaramba isn't reading sensors... but sensors on the CL work just fine |
| 15:15.41 | Guerin | Bedad: they clearly are not now. |
| 15:15.46 | greycat | Om: do you think we wrote all the stuff in the bot just to hear the lovely sounds of our own keybaords? |
| 15:15.49 | Bedad | well i have things i need ot run as root like k3b |
| 15:15.49 | Linoleum | humbolt go to sid it's better |
| 15:15.51 | Om | greycat, I did, but it wasn't very conclusive |
| 15:15.53 | Phated | Goodness, KDM has improved security? :) |
| 15:15.59 | directhex|work | greycat, well this keyboard has a nice resounding click on every key |
| 15:16.08 | bsims | humbolt: remove the unstable packages and reinstall? |
| 15:16.09 | Guerin | !cluedrill Linoleum |
| 15:16.10 | Phated | greycat: It's a lovely sounds, really. |
| 15:16.16 | hramrach_ | humbolt: wait a while, as the packages age they will become stable :) |
| 15:16.18 | Linoleum | ^^ |
| 15:16.25 | tuxillo | !bless tuxillo |
| 15:16.25 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child tuxillo, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 15:16.33 | tuxillo | x-DDDD |
| 15:16.37 | Om | But I'll take that as a no then.... |
| 15:16.40 | Bedad | hmm, so, i have to use gnome then to login as root |
| 15:16.42 | bsims | Bedad: k3b can run with normal users check yer permissions |
| 15:16.49 | greycat | DO NOT LOG IN AS ROOT. |
| 15:16.57 | greycat | What the fuck is wrong with you people? |
| 15:17.02 | Guerin | Bedad: never log into X as root. Ever. Under any circumstances. |
| 15:17.06 | Phated | Ai! In all fairness, it's only HIM! |
| 15:17.12 | bsims | !bless bsims |
| 15:17.13 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child bsims, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 15:17.20 | greycat | bsims: it's not randomized. |
| 15:17.21 | vlazar | SlayerXP, good that this happened. I was just about to try reiserfs on my own machine :-D |
| 15:17.25 | Bedad | hmm, well, i can't write cd's then, i spoke to someone here asg, who said k3b can't be run as root |
| 15:17.25 | tuxillo | greycat: sometimes it's stricly necesary :P |
| 15:17.25 | directhex|work | actually, gdm.conf explicitly bans logins from people with a uid of less than 1000 |
| 15:17.30 | bsims | greycat: darn jest checking |
| 15:17.32 | Bedad | erm can't be run as a normal user, i can't write the cd's |
| 15:17.33 | Guerin | Bedad: man sudoers |
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| 15:17.38 | greycat | tuxillo: it's NEVER necessary to login as root into a GUI environment. |
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| 15:17.45 | blas | hi mpsub FORMAT=23.98 |
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| 15:17.46 | Guerin | Bedad: /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
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| 15:17.54 | bsims | Bedad: do you belong to teh group that owns the cdburner? |
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| 15:17.58 | tuxillo | greycat: oops! i meant on ttys and vts :( |
| 15:18.02 | greycat | dpkg, literal runstuffasroot |
| 15:18.02 | dpkg | runstuffasroot is "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su. DO NOT USE "su -", because that blows away your variable setting above. |
| 15:18.07 | greycat | dpkg, literal run stuff as root |
| 15:18.07 | dpkg | run stuff as root is "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" before you su, and DO NOT use "su -", or ask me about "sux", or "sshx", or "mit-magic-cookie". |
| 15:18.07 | Melsen | Christ.. I've been googling for 3 hours now.. I can't find a single site that properly describes replacing a whole windows server setup.. I want to authenticate through kerberos to a samba/ldap server functioning as a primary domain controller... it can't be right that noone ever did this to that extent.. and then wrote about it as well. |
| 15:18.14 | valdyn_ | Bedad: look into sux, not sudo, sudo wont do it |
| 15:18.15 | greycat | why isn't one of those a <reply> see other? |
| 15:18.25 | Phated | greycat: Shall I? |
| 15:18.32 | Phated | Which one do you prefer? :) |
| 15:18.36 | greycat | each has things the other lacks, so they need merging |
| 15:18.38 | Guerin | sudo can do it. |
| 15:18.49 | directhex|work | kdesu! |
| 15:18.50 | Phated | greycat: Yeah hold on for a couple moments, I'll edit. |
| 15:18.51 | bsims | Does anyone have a clue why karamba isn't reading my sensors? |
| 15:18.54 | greycat | Phated: thanks |
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| 15:19.08 | valdyn_ | Guerin: "sudo growisofs" wont |
| 15:19.21 | Guerin | valdyn_: I know sudo k3b & does :) |
| 15:19.25 | greycat | Melsen: sounds like a #samba type question... |
| 15:19.43 | valdyn_ | Guerin: not for me, i wonder why |
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| 15:19.56 | greycat | probably because you forgot to export XAUTHORITY=.... |
| 15:20.01 | Guerin | valdyn_: *shrug* |
| 15:20.04 | valdyn_ | Guerin: ..wonder why it works for you, i know why it wont work for me |
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| 15:20.17 | Guerin | I never have to export XAUTHORITY |
| 15:20.31 | Phated | greycat: :) |
| 15:20.35 | Phated | !runstuffasroot |
| 15:20.36 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 15:20.42 | Phated | That work? |
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| 15:20.45 | directhex|work | why do you still need to run k3b as root? that was fixed as of the k3b version in kde 3.3, whjich i was under the impression had been merged into sarge |
| 15:20.48 | greycat | Phated: yes |
| 15:20.51 | Phated | Lovely. |
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| 15:21.02 | valdyn_ | Guerin: oh , this is a misunderstanding - growisofs even when called from k3b will bitch its started via sudo. K3b itself works |
| 15:21.24 | Guerin | valdyn_: I don't use growisofs - I use cdrecord. no dvds. |
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| 15:21.37 | valdyn_ | Guerin: i see |
| 15:21.44 | Bedad | hmm k3b needs to be launched inside X, so how do i suxo root it? |
| 15:21.53 | greycat | isn't there some env var you can set to make growisofs shut up and take it? |
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| 15:22.07 | Guerin | Bedad: read the damn factoid above |
| 15:22.10 | Phated | Or su in an xterm and then start k3b from there and then log out? |
| 15:22.12 | greycat | Bedad: k3b does not require ROOT AT ALL. |
| 15:22.18 | SlayerXP | did we run out of UNIX newbie guides or something? |
| 15:22.21 | Phated | Which might not be the best idea... But. |
| 15:22.25 | Bedad | ok |
| 15:22.31 | greycat | SlayerXP: no, there's a whole pile of unread ones right over there.... |
| 15:22.32 | Guerin | SlayerXP: the intarwebs are broken. |
| 15:22.35 | Phated | SlayerXP: Your cluedrill went nuts and destroyed them all. |
| 15:22.41 | rafx | are there any utils that'll rank the 'up-to-dateness' of debian mirrors? something like apt-spy, but not focused on performance |
| 15:22.46 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill Bedad |
| 15:23.00 | Guerin | rafx: just use ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 15:23.12 | hippo | hi, any idea what does 'hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }' mean? |
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| 15:23.28 | greycat | means "NO DATA FOR YOU!" |
| 15:23.30 | directhex|work | hippo, it means you had a cyclic redundancy check error |
| 15:23.42 | directhex|work | hippo, probably means a buggered cable. or disk. or controller |
| 15:23.57 | directhex|work | hippo, though i expect your sound card isn't the cause of the problem, if that helps |
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| 15:24.31 | dar | How to load quota support into my kernel? |
| 15:24.33 | hippo | directhex|work: this one is a silicon image/CMD680 PCI, any special knowledge about it? |
| 15:24.51 | directhex|work | hippo, i had one of them! |
| 15:24.55 | SlayerXP | dar: see the quota HOWTO |
| 15:24.59 | hippo | directhex|work: no sound card in the machine... |
| 15:25.05 | greycat | why do all these wankers buy PCI IDE disk controllers instead of hooking up disks right on the mobo like god intended? |
| 15:25.21 | directhex|work | hippo, worst piece of silicon i have _EVER_ owned, i threw it in the sink, ran the hot tap, pulled the card out, pulled off the capacitors, then bought a better card |
| 15:25.27 | SlayerXP | greycat: this wanker bought a 3ware 4 channel SATA raid card, thanks :) |
| 15:25.27 | hippo | greycat: beacuse having 10 years old mobo? |
| 15:25.52 | greycat | hippo: cheaper and better in the long run to buy a new mobo then. |
| 15:25.55 | FieldySnuts | i've an excuse, bad power supply damaged on board |
| 15:25.58 | Guerin | hippo: here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a p2 |
| 15:25.58 | Bedad | hmm despite me exporting XAUTHORITY thing as above, it says it can't find a suitable cdrw |
| 15:26.09 | FieldySnuts | @start a cpu war |
| 15:26.10 | ravenbird | Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a 68000 |
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| 15:26.18 | directhex|work | greycat, 6 disks in my server (plus dvd writer), so not enough room on a motherboard ;) |
| 15:26.28 | directhex|work | well. unless i get a fucking crazy board with controllers up the wazoo |
| 15:26.36 | greycat | directhex|work: so you bought a SCSI card, and ran them externally, I hope? |
| 15:26.42 | markus__ | is there package for wxwidgets 2.5.3? |
| 15:27.03 | directhex|work | greycat, the scsi card would have negligable benefits for 4 udma100 disks and two sata disks |
| 15:27.04 | hippo | Guerin: no, k6 rox :) |
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| 15:27.08 | Bedad | so basically if i run k3b a a normal user, it cant see the cdrw, or rather dvdrw |
| 15:27.08 | dar | SlayerXP: hephey i found it.. but im gettign a strange error in dmesg after mounting it.. can you please join #flood? |
| 15:27.17 | directhex|work | hippo, k6 has never rocked, under any circumstances |
| 15:27.23 | greycat | Bedad: COOL! Problem solved! |
| 15:27.26 | greycat | Bedad: you're welcome. |
| 15:27.32 | SlayerXP | dar: no. the error message will be no more than one line |
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| 15:27.48 | greycat | Bedad: oh by the way, did you read the FAQ yet |
| 15:27.49 | greycat | ? |
| 15:27.51 | dar | SlayerXP: wanna bed its more than one line? |
| 15:28.00 | Bedad | yes i ran the !runasroot thing |
| 15:28.05 | Bedad | erm read not ran |
| 15:28.05 | greycat | !FAQ Bedad |
| 15:28.06 | dpkg | Bedad: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:28.21 | SlayerXP | dar: parse error at or near "wanna bed" |
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| 15:28.26 | chickaroo | can anyone hhelp me to get alsa working? i have an audigy and the module is loaded, and i did both alsa_snddevices and alsa_init and itt still says no such device attached to alsa |
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| 15:28.41 | EdibleText | chickaroo, alsaconf |
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| 15:28.51 | chickaroo | no alsaconf here in knoppix... |
| 15:29.06 | SlayerXP | !knoppixsmite chickaroo |
| 15:29.18 | dar | SlayerXP: quota_v2: disagrees about version of symbol mark_info_dirty, quota_v2: Unknown symbol mark_info_dirty and sooo on |
| 15:29.18 | EdibleText | curse knoppix for no alsaconf here in knoppix.. |
| 15:30.06 | SlayerXP | dar: did you read and follow the quota howto? are you sure you have kernel support? are you using the right versions of the tools? |
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| 15:30.25 | chickaroo | i'm really not liking the way debian and/or knoppix has itself set up, i'm mainly a gentoo user, spoiled by easy init scripts... |
| 15:30.25 | directhex|work | !debian solutions |
| 15:30.25 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distrobutions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 15:30.34 | directhex|work | !tell chickaroo about debian solutions |
| 15:30.41 | directhex|work | chickaroo, your debian solution is "use alsaconf" |
| 15:30.48 | directhex|work | thank you for your time. NEXT! |
| 15:30.55 | dar | SlayerXP: im using standard kernel as my nr2 server and on that one its WOORKING |
| 15:30.56 | Phated | !directhex|work++ |
| 15:30.58 | chickaroo | :P |
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| 15:31.22 | directhex|work | dpkg, debian solutions ~= s/distrobutions/distributions/ |
| 15:31.22 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, directhex|work |
| 15:31.30 | directhex|work | bah |
| 15:31.36 | Bedad | hmm well i can't see anything in the faq about k3b, i've searched goole as well for the k3b not able to find suitable writer, and they say to run as root :-S, i did the export XAUTHORITY, i also read about sux etc, but i was told i dont need to run it as root |
| 15:31.47 | directhex|work | dpkg, debian solutions =~ s/distrobutions/distributions/ |
| 15:31.47 | Silensius | whith proftp is it possible to add symlik to a other device repertories ? |
| 15:31.47 | dpkg | directhex|work: OK |
| 15:31.53 | chickaroo | gah i hate oss... |
| 15:32.05 | SlayerXP | chickaroo: so do we, I recommend windows XP |
| 15:32.05 | Guerin | Bedad: /away z |
| 15:32.06 | valdyn_ | Bedad: you dont need to run k3b as root unless you are running certain kernels |
| 15:32.06 | directhex|work | chickaroo, take it up with klaus knopper |
| 15:32.08 | Guerin | gah |
| 15:32.08 | Silensius | whith proftp is it possible to add symlik to a other device repertories ? |
| 15:32.08 | greycat | chickaroo: so run Debian. |
| 15:32.16 | Guerin | stupid tabcompletion |
| 15:32.17 | hippo | directhex|work: hm, thanks anyway. Did you have the above error also? |
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| 15:32.19 | Bedad | valdyn_, i am running 2.6.8 |
| 15:32.20 | chickaroo | my DoC is gentoo |
| 15:32.24 | greycat | Silensius: not if it's chrooted. |
| 15:32.27 | chickaroo | but i don't have any OS installed on my pc |
| 15:32.29 | Mirotrem | does anyone here use shockwave in firefox? |
| 15:32.30 | valdyn_ | Bedad: 2.6.8+ = patch it or run as root |
| 15:32.30 | directhex|work | hippo, no, this was under windows server 2003. |
| 15:32.31 | Phated | So frigging USE Gentoo. |
| 15:32.35 | Silensius | ok |
| 15:32.43 | Bedad | well why didn't people say that in the first place, rather than giving me a hard time |
| 15:32.46 | chickaroo | no hard drive cable right now |
| 15:32.50 | chickaroo | need a sata |
| 15:32.51 | chickaroo | ... |
| 15:32.52 | Silensius | is there anyway whitout chroot |
| 15:32.56 | valdyn_ | Bedad: or wait till cd burning app devs fix their software |
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| 15:33.09 | greycat | chickaroo: so get a fucking JOB, and then BUY the parts you need. |
| 15:33.17 | chickaroo | me? work? |
| 15:33.25 | EdibleText | Mirotrem, there is a mozilla flash pluginm if thats what youre looking for |
| 15:33.33 | Bedad | valdyn_, maybe you should advise other people in the room about this, as they appear to not realise that, and are giving unhelpful information |
| 15:33.36 | EdibleText | s/inm/in |
| 15:33.37 | greycat | Silensius: if it's not chrooted, the symlink Just Works. |
| 15:33.43 | Mirotrem | EdibleText, I have it..but its jumpy..it studders and its hard to use |
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| 15:33.45 | chickaroo | i might break a nail if i actually worked |
| 15:33.51 | directhex|work | chickaroo, a 50p red cable? i throw those things out as useless shit not worth storing |
| 15:33.54 | Mirotrem | Is there any fix for that? |
| 15:33.58 | hippo | directhex|work: I actually don't use this sw-raid-bios stuff. What did you mean by cabling? If only one drive, then can blue/black cable end matter? |
| 15:34.06 | chickaroo | yeah that's the thing i need |
| 15:34.07 | Daffy-PKF | what group should i belong to in order to run any sound relative app? i'm in the "audio" one but alsamixer still tells me "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Permission denied", i guess it will be the same kind of problem for any sound app... |
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| 15:34.16 | chickaroo | i tore my entire room apart looking for the other one |
| 15:34.18 | Bedad | greycat, were you aware i needed to patch my kernel? or run it as root? |
| 15:34.20 | Silensius | <greycat : ftp root directorie is /mnt/ftp and il will add /hdb1/document/ how must i do it ? |
| 15:34.21 | valdyn_ | Bedad: maybe debians kernel isnt affected by this |
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| 15:34.45 | directhex|work | hippo, it shouldn't matter which end, but a crc error USUALLY comes from either a bad disk, or bad cable |
| 15:35.03 | chickaroo | my attempt at making a gentoo based livecd failed badly... so i'm stuck in knoppix |
| 15:35.21 | valdyn_ | Bedad: actually i forgot one more thing, you can set your burnining apps like cdrecord / growisofs suid root |
| 15:35.23 | Roey | hi |
| 15:35.24 | Roey | Hi! |
| 15:35.25 | EdibleText | chickaroo, youre hardly stuck. use debian. |
| 15:35.28 | Roey | listen |
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| 15:35.30 | hippo | directhex|work: it's in a rack actually, so that gives ideas, thanks... |
| 15:35.33 | Roey | I have a problem with lilo |
| 15:35.43 | Roey | /dev/mapper/control: open failed: No such device |
| 15:35.44 | JayDee | how can I customize the Apache compile with Debian from a package? |
| 15:35.45 | Roey | things like that |
| 15:35.50 | JayDee | not sure how to go about it |
| 15:35.50 | Roey | I can post it all to #flood |
| 15:35.59 | Roey | can anyone help me? |
| 15:36.00 | Silensius | <greycat : ftp root directorie is /mnt/ftp and il will add /hdb1/document/ how must i do it ? |
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| 15:36.04 | greycat | Bedad: Look. If you use 2.6.8 and it doesn't fucking work, I'm just going to either LAUGH at you or SCREAM at you. So don't even bother asking me any questions about making CD burning work in 2.6.8. OK? |
| 15:36.04 | chickaroo | blah i would use redhat if i could... (no actually not lol) if i had a cable for my hard drive |
| 15:36.19 | greycat | Silensius: Read the fucking manual. |
| 15:36.24 | Silensius | thanks |
| 15:36.26 | Silensius | :) |
| 15:36.27 | chickaroo | any distro is better than one without sound |
| 15:36.31 | takatumi | chickaroo: so why are you whining here? |
| 15:36.35 | chickaroo | because i can? |
| 15:36.37 | greycat | chickaroo: get a disk. install debian. shut up. |
| 15:36.38 | chickaroo | i dunno lol |
| 15:36.44 | chickaroo | i'm bored |
| 15:36.48 | chickaroo | and bitchy today |
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| 15:37.35 | Phated | And girls wonder why the fuck men think they're idiots. |
| 15:37.37 | Bedad | well i'll just patch my fucking kernel then |
| 15:37.53 | greycat | Are we allowed to just +q *!~knoppix@* yet? |
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| 15:37.59 | chickaroo | lol |
| 15:38.03 | Phated | greycat: You op, you choose. |
| 15:38.05 | orchid | Phated: dont |
| 15:38.15 | Phated | orchid: Don't -what-? |
| 15:38.21 | WiFiTux | greycat, you have my vote. |
| 15:38.24 | orchid | start that bs |
| 15:38.29 | chickaroo | :| |
| 15:38.35 | Phated | orchid: Sorry, are you a girl? |
| 15:38.37 | EdibleText | !phatedsmite Phated |
| 15:38.42 | takatumi | knoppix might be useful for chroot installs. |
| 15:38.49 | EdibleText | thats not the one.. |
| 15:38.49 | Roey | When I boot, I get this: "Loading DebianEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlays LILO second stage." What the heck does this mean?? |
| 15:38.54 | hippo | directhex|work: last question: did you use it as raid or as native ata controller? |
| 15:38.59 | Roey | Note that this is with a Debian kernel |
| 15:39.04 | greycat | knoppix has a few uses, but day to day end user desktop tasks are not it. |
| 15:39.07 | orchid | Phated: shouldnt matter if I am or not |
| 15:39.14 | WiFiTux | Roey, it only says LI? |
| 15:39.14 | directhex|work | hippo, as raid 1. except every 70 minutes it would drop a disk from an array, at random |
| 15:39.16 | greycat | s/not it/not among them/ |
| 15:39.22 | Roey | WiFiTux, it doesn't say LI at all |
| 15:39.23 | Phated | orchid: Oh no, of course not. |
| 15:39.30 | Roey | WiFiTux, it says exactly what I quoted |
| 15:39.48 | Phated | greycat: Personally, +q *!~knoppix@* sounds good. |
| 15:39.49 | Roey | WiFiTux, I've never seen that kinda message before |
| 15:39.56 | WiFiTux | Roey, you think you will get help from being hostile? |
| 15:40.16 | Roey | WiFiTux, I apologize if I sounded hostile--that's not at all how I meant it :) |
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| 15:40.27 | WiFiTux | Roey, boot again with the debian cd, and reinstall the boot loader. |
| 15:40.28 | markus__ | "error: `gdk_font_load' undeclared (first use this |
| 15:40.28 | markus__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.30 | chickaroo | you guys get a lot of knoppix users coming in here? i can see how knoppix is a bit different than debian, but it is debian based |
| 15:40.39 | Roey | WiFiTux, (yeah I know, this channel is intimidating enough isn't it :) |
| 15:40.39 | directhex|work | !based on |
| 15:40.41 | greycat | !knoppixsmite chickaroo |
| 15:40.44 | directhex|work | !debian solutions |
| 15:40.44 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 15:40.46 | chickaroo | or did they just really fuck debian up and put it on a cd |
| 15:40.48 | Roey | WiFiTux, well I'm in knoppix now. |
| 15:40.54 | greycat | chickaroo: /topic |
| 15:41.01 | directhex|work | chickaroo, that's exactl;y what they did |
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| 15:41.02 | Roey | WiFiTux, I chroot'd and tried to run LILO but I get errors |
| 15:41.08 | chickaroo | lol |
| 15:41.08 | hippo | directhex|work: aha, kernel docs mentiones also, that better to use the Linux sw-RAID with it (printed docs sais 1. turn off 2. insert the card and 14 pages of w$ screen captures ;) |
| 15:41.11 | WiFiTux | Roey, uhh, no idea now. |
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| 15:41.19 | Roey | WiFiTux, ok |
| 15:41.22 | Roey | WiFiTux, well, thanks anyway |
| 15:41.25 | Phated | chickaroo: We get plenty of Knoppix users in here. And they never do get less annoying. |
| 15:41.37 | WiFiTux | Phated, I think we should start a movement and make them +q knop |
| 15:41.51 | chickaroo | hmm |
| 15:41.56 | Phated | <shrug> It's your revolution, I CBA. |
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| 15:42.23 | chickaroo | i tried debian once on a p90 box, i wasn't too big on the apt-get thing, it seemed pretty ancient |
| 15:42.32 | directhex|work | okay, sarge k3b running in a chroot has _NO_ problems being run as a regular user |
| 15:42.37 | takatumi | chickaroo: ancient compared to what? |
| 15:42.37 | thingfish | what I don't understand is why so many knoppix users come here with their problems, when surely there's a #knoppix they could go to. |
| 15:42.41 | chickaroo | compared to portage that is, but i'm not in here to start a distro war |
| 15:42.49 | markus__ | "error: `gdk_font_load' undeclared (first use this function)" What package i have to install? |
| 15:42.49 | directhex|work | i know 32bit sarge chroot in amd64 sid is hardly an academic test, but still |
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| 15:43.03 | chickaroo | #knoppix is empty |
| 15:43.09 | Phated | It is fucking well not. |
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| 15:43.20 | chickaroo | well it's all... AFKers |
| 15:43.28 | greycat | chickaroo: so what you're saying is that Bleeding Edge Gentoo on an AMD64 3+ GHz box is more pleasant to you personally than Slink on a P90. |
| 15:43.29 | chickaroo | no one's alive in there |
| 15:43.42 | Phated | At least 20 people. |
| 15:44.07 | Phated | Of course they're not alive in there, they're all fucking in here. :| |
| 15:44.14 | thingfish | lol |
| 15:44.15 | xam | greycat he actually might be right with that |
| 15:44.18 | chickaroo | uhh well i was just judging the package manager and all |
| 15:44.25 | SlayerXP | eww, they'll make the channell all sticky |
| 15:44.33 | Phated | <sigh> |
| 15:44.36 | directhex|work | i had a Gentooish experience today |
| 15:44.46 | Phated | directhex|work: Really? apt-get source? :) |
| 15:44.56 | directhex|work | i asked for the most ricer-tastic, roman candle of optimisations, to run with gcc 3.4 on some source |
| 15:44.57 | greycat | directhex|work: you wasted 7 hours doing something that wasn't needed? |
| 15:45.00 | chickaroo | i hate slack, they ahve like a nonexistant package manager |
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| 15:45.08 | directhex|work | the most rediculous, overblown list of crazy things to demand from gcc |
| 15:45.13 | Phated | Great, now it's just bitching about other distros. |
| 15:45.21 | rob0 | FOOD FIGHT! |
| 15:45.24 | chickaroo | lol |
| 15:45.53 | directhex|work | in the end it was 10 lines of -fmakethisreallyfast type stuff. overall result? ~5% slower than just 'gcc foo.c -o foo.o', and over 100% slower than -O2 |
| 15:46.04 | thingfish | leave my pot roast alone! |
| 15:46.05 | chickaroo | :o |
| 15:46.31 | chickaroo | or shall i say like a bitch |
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| 15:46.44 | greycat | !hose chickaroo |
| 15:46.45 | Phated | directhex|work: Huh. You should like... blog that. :) |
| 15:46.54 | chickaroo | ... |
| 15:47.03 | chickaroo | lol |
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| 15:48.30 | takatumi | tight butt cheeks? |
| 15:48.34 | khanman | hello hello hello |
| 15:48.37 | chickaroo | o.O |
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| 15:48.50 | greycat | takatumi: no no... velcro on the thighs. |
| 15:49.41 | thingfish | lol |
| 15:49.42 | EdibleText | !win chickaroo |
| 15:49.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, chickaroo! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:49.47 | khanman | question...when i end a kde session while logged in as root the system locks and i have to do a cold reboot...what log should i be looking at to find the cause of this? |
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| 15:50.08 | greycat | khanman: your nvidia driver logs, ..... oh wait, they don't make any, do they. |
| 15:50.10 | chickaroo | why would you run X as root? |
| 15:50.11 | Phated | "trash"? Not... /dev/null? |
| 15:50.15 | rob0 | khanman: running KDE as root is insane |
| 15:50.21 | hippo | khanman: video card probably |
| 15:50.23 | khanman | i know its a bad idea |
| 15:50.25 | Phated | khanman: Don't run X as root. |
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| 15:50.33 | rob0 | khanman: then why do it? |
| 15:50.38 | khanman | coz im lazy |
| 15:50.41 | Phated | chickaroo: Hands off, bitch. |
| 15:50.42 | khanman | and behind nat |
| 15:50.43 | rob0 | bye |
| 15:50.46 | chickaroo | :o |
| 15:50.50 | thingfish | oh you nasty girls |
| 15:50.54 | thingfish | be nice |
| 15:51.02 | Phated | Screw that. |
| 15:51.05 | thingfish | lol |
| 15:51.13 | EdibleText | There is room in #debian for many girls |
| 15:51.22 | rob0 | !girls |
| 15:51.22 | Phated | Yeah, so? |
| 15:51.22 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 15:51.24 | greycat | as long as they don't use knoppix. |
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| 15:51.26 | pauliukas | Is there a way or program to connect remotely to the REAL console. Not "virtual" console such as SSH does? |
| 15:51.35 | khanman | but if it were an nvidia question..then why doesnt the system lock when i restart a kde session as a normal user? |
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| 15:51.51 | greycat | pauliukas: run 'screen' on the real console, and run 'screen -x' on your ssh session. |
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| 15:52.04 | greycat | screen. 0wnz. j00. |
| 15:52.15 | Phated | KDE has developed HAL 9000 capabilities. "KDE, run as root." "Sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that." |
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| 15:52.26 | Roey | greycat, how ya doin |
| 15:52.43 | Roey | Phated, it can through knoppix! |
| 15:52.50 | Roey | Phated, :) |
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| 15:53.17 | chickaroo | mount /dev/cigarette /mnt/mouth |
| 15:53.29 | Phated | Yes. Knoppix hasn't figured out how to implement AI. Largely because they don't posess any RI themselves. |
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| 15:53.41 | chickaroo | heh |
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| 15:53.54 | Roey | =) |
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| 15:54.58 | Phated | Great, she's -still- not going to go to her own distro's channel. |
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| 15:54.58 | khanman | rob0, if it were a nvidia driver problem then why doesnt the system lock when i reset a kde session from a normal user account? |
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| 15:55.17 | thingfish | chickaroo: you'll have to forgive us, we're all in high gear and excited because American Idol is starting back up tonight. |
| 15:55.20 | greycat | khanman: you have a solution, or at least a workaround. Use it. |
| 15:55.20 | pauliukas | I GOT IT! Why wander with backround when I can connect my old "DEC" monitor up to my linux server! |
| 15:55.37 | guru | can you install sarge from a dvd mounted on another machine on the LAN? |
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| 15:55.54 | greycat | guru: you'd need something to boot the local box with. |
| 15:55.56 | khanman | greycat, not sure what you mean....you mean just use a normal account? |
| 15:56.01 | greycat | khanman: YES! |
| 15:56.04 | khanman | haha |
| 15:56.07 | guru | greycat: would the net install iso work? |
| 15:56.17 | greycat | guru: one would surely hope so. |
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| 15:56.34 | guru | hell, i would be just as well to do a net install |
| 15:56.36 | ddfire | hi what i must do to mount my pendrive? |
| 15:56.43 | guru | wouldn't take much longer |
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| 15:56.50 | khanman | greycat, ok running X under root is a bad idea...just bcoz of the security issues? |
| 15:56.54 | Mage\wor1 | r00t |
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| 15:57.03 | pauliukas | lol |
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| 15:57.07 | guru | there is no root. root is a figment of your imagination ;) |
| 15:57.26 | khanman | um my wife seems to disagree |
| 15:57.36 | khanman | she knows there is powah in my root :P |
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| 15:57.46 | guru | heh |
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| 15:57.51 | greycat | !unix lessons |
| 15:57.51 | dpkg | somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 15:57.54 | greycat | khanman: #11. |
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| 15:58.05 | sussudio | the larch? |
| 15:58.10 | LoneWlf | so... is there a way to get apt-get to go through the pre/post config of a package again short of totally ripping it out? |
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| 15:58.20 | greycat | LoneWlf: apt-get --reinstall install |
| 15:58.27 | greycat | LoneWlf: or just run the scripts yourself |
| 15:58.40 | FieldySnuts | @lart sussudio |
| 15:58.44 | guru | there really is no need to have the root account enabled on *any* system...just properly configure sudo and you're set |
| 15:58.50 | LoneWlf | greycat : many thanks |
| 15:58.54 | khanman | greycat, eh? |
| 15:59.04 | LoneWlf | greycat : fancy seeing you still here :) ltns |
| 15:59.13 | takatumi | I still can't stand sudo |
| 15:59.22 | simonrvn | greycat: i think i fixed the fuck <action> |
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| 15:59.32 | greycat | simonrvn: yes, I noticed. |
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| 15:59.43 | FieldySnuts | @fuck dpkg |
| 15:59.52 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:59.56 | thingfish | oh how crude |
| 16:00.01 | FieldySnuts | aw poor baby |
| 16:00.06 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.31 | simonrvn | greycat: it's all those paras, sheesh |
| 16:00.35 | thingfish | this is a naughty channel. |
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| 16:00.41 | khanman | tsk tswk |
| 16:00.42 | FieldySnuts | poor baby |
| 16:00.45 | greycat | thingfish: and you're here. |
| 16:00.45 | khanman | -w |
| 16:00.49 | thingfish | lol |
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| 16:01.39 | grivell | Come for the Debian, stay for the perverts. |
| 16:01.44 | thingfish | lol |
| 16:01.48 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 16:01.50 | thingfish | pretty much |
| 16:01.56 | khanman | is there like a #newbie_debian chan or something...i dont wanna insult you all by asking dumbassed questions |
| 16:01.59 | orjan | I use blackbox as my wm. Some program ( I think Galeon ) pulled in gonome-sessions. Now when startx I get gnome instaed. Blackbox is set in alternatives but since gnome is the only session it starts. Can I simply remove gnome-sessions? or... |
| 16:01.59 | chickaroo | maybe i can get better help in #windows |
| 16:02.02 | FieldySnuts | Phated is a pervert |
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| 16:02.06 | simonrvn | khanman: just ask |
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| 16:02.12 | greycat | khanman: this is as newbie as it gets. |
| 16:02.14 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Of course, but why the sudden mention? |
| 16:02.20 | FieldySnuts | oops thought she was away |
| 16:02.24 | FieldySnuts | Phated: read up a bit heh |
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| 16:02.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hmmm... |
| 16:02.30 | rob0 | When I started GNU/Linux, I heeded warnings about things I didn't understand yet. That kept me from FUBAR. Now I understand the reasoning behind the advice. |
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| 16:02.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: From where? Give me a line here. |
| 16:02.42 | grivell | How many root users we up to today? Some bot should keep track ;) |
| 16:02.45 | FieldySnuts | Phated: nah. lazy |
| 16:03.17 | rob0 | how many o's in root? |
| 16:03.19 | khanman | simonrvn, where can i find the log that will help me to fix the lockups when i reset a kde session while using root (and yeah i know X under root is a no-no) |
| 16:03.20 | FieldySnuts | 9 |
| 16:03.23 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ahh, I see it now... *megawuffle* |
| 16:03.25 | Delph | rob0: one. |
| 16:03.49 | Phated | orjan: startx /usr/bin/blackbox. |
| 16:03.57 | greycat | rob0: none. just 0s. |
| 16:04.19 | rob0 | I see apt announcing new root users, but it seems that the number of O's used varies |
| 16:04.23 | resiak | rob0: It does. |
| 16:04.26 | resiak | rob0: Well noticed :) |
| 16:04.28 | orjan | Phated: I use an .xsession as workaround but .. |
| 16:04.41 | rob0 | and I often see the root user quitting soon thereafter. |
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| 16:04.44 | Rbk2 | It will suffice that you will enter, and you can save someone.... |
| 16:04.44 | Phated | orjan: Well, that works too. <shrug> |
| 16:04.46 | rob0 | SOOOOOOON |
| 16:04.49 | greycat | rob0: because they're also +q'ed |
| 16:04.49 | resiak | rob0: That's because they can't talk. |
| 16:04.52 | Phated | rob0: They're _q'ed. |
| 16:04.54 | rob0 | hahaha |
| 16:04.57 | resiak | Woo. |
| 16:04.58 | rob0 | coooooooooool |
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| 16:07.12 | Daffy-PKF | a ls -al of a directory i want to acces give: "drwxrwsr-- 2 user users 20480 2005-01-11 02:50 Musique", i'm user "daffy-pkf" member of group "users" but i can't acces that directory... is it normal? |
| 16:07.35 | sbk | Question vis-a-vis oddball serial printers that use DSR/DTR for flow control. I have it working by making a cable that switches those lines with CTS/RTS and using stty crtrts, but I also had to end up disabling the FIFO in the 16550A by calling it a 16550... can you point me to more docs on these issues? I've read the Serial-howto thus far, and man setserial |
| 16:07.37 | greycat | define "can't access" |
| 16:08.14 | sbk | oops, needed to disable FIFO because it was occasionally dropping a character when the printer negated DSR |
| 16:08.20 | greycat | I must confess I don't understand why you have r-- on the "other" bits, but hey... |
| 16:08.24 | Daffy-PKF | i can see it but i can't see what's into it |
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| 16:08.42 | greycat | Daffy-PKF: sounds like you're falling into the "other" bits, IOW it doesn't believe you are in group "users". |
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| 16:08.52 | tombs | good afetrnoon |
| 16:08.54 | Rbk2 | http://olsza-w-no.blog.onet.pl It will suffice that you will enter, and you can save someone.... |
| 16:08.55 | greycat | Daffy-PKF: are you SURE, POSITIVE, and CERTAIN that /usr/bin/id says "users" in it? |
| 16:09.13 | Daffy-PKF | greycat> i just did "adduser daffy-pkf users" but nothing changes |
| 16:09.19 | greycat | !smite Daffy-PKF |
| 16:09.25 | greycat | LOG OUT AND BACK IN, and CHECK IT WITH id(1) |
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| 16:09.47 | rob0 | Daffy-PKF: if you just added yourself to a group, then your current shell would have no way to know this. |
| 16:10.08 | Daffy-PKF | rob0> ho ok, that explain everything ^^ |
| 16:10.24 | rob0 | it ain't DOS :) |
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| 16:10.42 | greycat | he probably never used DOS, either. |
| 16:11.08 | grivell | greycat: Consider him lucky if he went from C64 to Linux ;) |
| 16:11.40 | takatumi | all my kid has seen so far is linux :D |
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| 16:11.55 | greycat | the sad, nearly unbearable truth is that most of the newbies in here never used *anything* that really resembled a computer system before Linux. They only used MS Windows. |
| 16:12.00 | rob0 | My kids run DOS games in dosbox |
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| 16:12.16 | thingfish | lol chickaroo |
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| 16:12.44 | rob0 | bye chickaroo :) |
| 16:12.49 | rob0 | too late |
| 16:13.23 | brynjarh | Anyone tried Debian GNU/Hurd? |
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| 16:13.37 | b_52globemaster | some know a website who buy pda under gnu/linux |
| 16:13.40 | b_52globemaster | ? |
| 16:13.40 | chickaroo | how rude |
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| 16:13.55 | streuner__ | moron |
| 16:13.55 | rob0 | wb chickaroo |
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| 16:13.57 | blowfish | hello |
| 16:13.58 | blowfish | rob0 |
| 16:14.00 | blowfish | around? |
| 16:14.05 | chickaroo | ty |
| 16:14.13 | rob0 | hi blow |
| 16:14.17 | rob0 | fish :) |
| 16:14.19 | blowfish | hello |
| 16:14.20 | blowfish | :> |
| 16:14.23 | blowfish | rob0 i heard something |
| 16:14.25 | pipelined | b_52globemaster, one that runs linux, or one that works with linux? |
| 16:14.38 | blowfish | is that true that postfix cant send more the 20 mails at the same time? |
| 16:14.44 | blowfish | i dont think is true |
| 16:14.48 | greycat | ask #postfix |
| 16:14.49 | rob0 | I don't know |
| 16:14.54 | thingfish | I must say, I've seen people in here who deserved kicking more than chickaroo. Is she being that bad? |
| 16:15.06 | chickaroo | yeah wtf did i do |
| 16:15.10 | FieldySnuts | @pee on blowfish |
| 16:15.22 | rob0 | chickaroo: you proved you could get around the ban ;) |
| 16:15.38 | b_52globemaster | pipelined, i mean one's that are designed to work with linux natively not that support linux(and if it can include webcam it will be great) |
| 16:16.00 | rob0 | !hose chickaroo |
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| 16:16.54 | chickaroo | yeah i like you debian people, really shows character how so many people can handle such a shitty distro |
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| 16:16.54 | EdibleText | does not the blueberry run linux? |
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| 16:16.54 | rob0 | I'm primarily a Slackware person |
| 16:16.54 | brynjarh | chickaroo: what do you use? |
| 16:16.54 | chickaroo | gentoo |
| 16:16.54 | takatumi | chickaroo: yeah, sad us. |
| 16:16.55 | rob0 | so I use 2 such distros :) |
| 16:16.55 | blowfish | rob0 thanks for the mail mate |
| 16:16.55 | directhex|work | brynjarh, he uses knoppix, and won't take his knoppix problems elsewhere |
| 16:16.55 | rob0 | yw blowfish |
| 16:17.06 | greycat | directhex|work: and pretends to be a woman. |
| 16:17.14 | brynjarh | chickaroo: that's a fine distro, gentoo that is. |
| 16:17.21 | greycat | and stirs up distro wars, etc. |
| 16:17.30 | brynjarh | chickaroo: I prefer Debian though for what I do. |
| 16:17.35 | rob0 | and FOOD FIGHTS |
| 16:17.42 | FieldySnuts | beer fights? |
| 16:17.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a beer war |
| 16:17.48 | grivell | FieldySnuts: Whats a Gentoo? |
| 16:17.51 | rob0 | !beer rob0 |
| 16:17.53 | streuner__ | don't feed the troll |
| 16:17.55 | FieldySnuts | a type of penguin |
| 16:18.02 | grivell | lol good answer ;) |
| 16:18.08 | FieldySnuts | it's true |
| 16:18.12 | grivell | I know. |
| 16:18.15 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 16:18.20 | chickaroo | i feel insulted now |
| 16:18.27 | b_52globemaster | no idea! |
| 16:18.29 | FieldySnuts | hey you're the one who offered to strip for working alsa. |
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| 16:18.40 | rob0 | then we have done our Good Deed for Today. |
| 16:18.40 | chickaroo | -.- |
| 16:18.54 | directhex|work | the alsa isn';t working because it's knoppix. we already covered this |
| 16:18.56 | greycat | FieldySnuts: not to mention the fact that we already *told* him/her how to make ALSA work. In Debian. |
| 16:19.10 | FieldySnuts | @roger sussudio |
| 16:19.12 | ravenbird | Bend over, sussudio and take it like a man! |
| 16:19.15 | chickaroo | yeah i was pissed it didn't have alsaconf aslo |
| 16:19.18 | chickaroo | alsa* |
| 16:19.24 | chickaroo | :P |
| 16:19.26 | greycat | so install Debian instead of using Knoppix. |
| 16:19.37 | directhex|work | !find bin/alsaconf |
| 16:19.39 | chickaroo | i thought it was knoppix's debian background that was making it suck |
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| 16:19.54 | chickaroo | but i guess i shouldnt judge distros i have hardly used |
| 16:20.01 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
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| 16:20.19 | directhex|work | you've never used debian |
| 16:20.19 | chickaroo | i'm just bored... |
| 16:20.21 | greycat | FieldySnuts: took you long enough. |
| 16:20.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/alsaconf' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 16:20.24 | directhex|work | and barely used knoppix |
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| 16:20.47 | FieldySnuts | that or samba3 |
| 16:20.55 | chickaroo | god forbid i actually search google for an answer, i'm too god damn lazy today |
| 16:20.55 | grivell | chickaroo: Probably not. But considering you have been waiting for KDE 3.1 to compile the last 2 years, its ok, I forgive you. |
| 16:21.01 | greycat | samba3 isn't nearly as bad as sendmail. |
| 16:21.07 | chickaroo | hah |
| 16:21.17 | chickaroo | kde compiles within 2 hours on my box |
| 16:21.27 | chickaroo | xorg cmopiles in 38 minutes |
| 16:21.30 | FieldySnuts | we care |
| 16:21.30 | grivell | chickaroo: Then you overpaid on the box ;) |
| 16:21.30 | brynjarh | Anyone seen this magazine --> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/ |
| 16:21.34 | greycat | then you can fucking afford a disk cable or whatever it was |
| 16:21.37 | chickaroo | speaking of which, does debian STILL not have xorg in apt? |
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| 16:21.41 | thingfish | chickaroo: if you're so bored, download debian-installer and give it a try. |
| 16:21.42 | greycat | chickaroo: /topic |
| 16:21.43 | FieldySnuts | can we +q this troll? |
| 16:21.49 | chickaroo | hmm |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | FieldySnuts: we did, once already.... |
| 16:21.53 | wasabi | ANybody have an example of software in non-free that has some licensing condition which restricts use? |
| 16:21.54 | chickaroo | maybe i can find a ide drive |
| 16:22.07 | chickaroo | i should give debian a chance i guess |
| 16:22.21 | directhex|work | why use an ide drive? |
| 16:22.21 | Phated | greycat: Kick her again. :| Or something. |
| 16:22.22 | b_52globemaster | pipelined ,? |
| 16:22.26 | FieldySnuts | ywH |
| 16:22.27 | brynjarh | chickaroo: Debian does not have xorg, it has XFree86 with some xorg patches I believe.. |
| 16:22.33 | EdibleText | #debian has given you a chance |
| 16:22.35 | chickaroo | cuz i don't have a sata wire for my drives |
| 16:22.47 | FieldySnuts | go get one they're dirt cheap |
| 16:22.48 | directhex|work | a sata cable costs 50 pence. an ide disk costs more. |
| 16:22.51 | greycat | directhex|work: because despite having a box that can build kde in 2 hours, he/she has, or so it claims, no SATA cables for his/her/its SATA disk. |
| 16:22.53 | chickaroo | look i'm not a troll, just a dumb blonde who's bored... |
| 16:23.03 | Gh0sty | how do i enable fb device with latest nvidia drivers? i've loaded fbcon, font, bitblit and the nvidia module, but nothing changes |
| 16:23.12 | chickaroo | if i get annoying, tellm me to shut up then |
| 16:23.21 | greycat | you passed annoying long ago. |
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| 16:23.28 | chickaroo | bite me |
| 16:23.34 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Gives females a bad name, don't she. |
| 16:23.37 | Gh0sty | running debian unstable, custom 2.6.10 kernel from kernel.org |
| 16:23.43 | greycat | Phated: that's ok, we know she isn't really one. |
| 16:23.52 | Phated | greycat: Oh THANK YOU so much. *hugs* |
| 16:23.58 | FieldySnuts | Phated: earlier she offered to strip for a working alsa heh |
| 16:24.00 | Arvind-NL | Anyone using wmaker from debian unstable? Does anyone know what happend to the default debian theme that used to be included ? |
| 16:24.02 | FieldySnuts | he whatever |
| 16:24.02 | thingfish | well I was kind of on chickaroo's side, but I don't think so anymore. |
| 16:24.23 | EdibleText | chickaroo, we have offered suggestions to occupy your time. install debian |
| 16:24.25 | FieldySnuts | go take trolling lessons from Scrye in #xlnx |
| 16:24.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hmmmm... Demeaning... Yet... I dunno, you seen manhunt? I'm thinking of watching it just because it's got buff men. |
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| 16:24.35 | FieldySnuts | lol no |
| 16:24.36 | grivell | greycat: ARG You mean I just cyber'd a non female? |
| 16:24.42 | greycat | heh |
| 16:24.42 | thingfish | oh, manhunt was great! |
| 16:24.42 | Phated | And they're the ones being used, 'stead of the girls. :) |
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| 16:24.53 | Phated | It's like... "America |
| 16:24.55 | Phated | Bah. |
| 16:24.57 | greycat | heh |
| 16:24.59 | thingfish | Phated: I saw every episode. It was fun. |
| 16:25.05 | Phated | It's like... "America's Next Top Model"... Except... WITH MEN! |
| 16:25.13 | thingfish | Phated: yes. |
| 16:25.14 | orchid | :) |
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| 16:25.27 | iSteve | is it possible to add one configure-time option to application build via apt-build ? |
| 16:25.36 | Phated | thingfish: Yeah? You should check out "My Big Fat Ugly Fiance". That and Manhunt are about all I'm planning to watch in terms of reality TV/ |
| 16:25.38 | iSteve | if so, how? |
| 16:25.50 | thingfish | I got such a big kick out of that one kid that acted like a chippendale's dancer when they had to do poolside runway walking. |
| 16:25.55 | takatumi | reality crap |
| 16:26.02 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 16:26.07 | Phated | Poolside... Men... I like. |
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| 16:26.14 | thingfish | Phated: my roommate/partner watches that. |
| 16:26.27 | Phated | thingfish: Yeah? Cool. |
| 16:26.30 | Arvind-NL | Phated, which show is that? america's next top model with men? Are you for real? |
| 16:26.35 | Phated | Arvind-NL: Mahunt. |
| 16:26.39 | Phated | Manhunt. |
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| 16:26.45 | thingfish | Phated: oh, and he was a little hottie, too. but he slutted it up too much and they kicked him off. |
| 16:26.51 | Phated | thingfish: Oh, DAMN. |
| 16:26.51 | Arvind-NL | I wonder what woman like these days |
| 16:26.59 | Phated | Come on, slutty men are great. :) |
| 16:27.03 | charolastra | Arvind-NL: money .... |
| 16:27.04 | Phated | Arvind-NL: Manhunt. :) |
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| 16:27.18 | anguila | nas |
| 16:27.18 | thingfish | Phated: I'm sure he's very busy somewhere right now. |
| 16:27.20 | Phated | Sorry... "Her pick of men from Manhunt and anywhere else". |
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| 16:27.24 | Phated | thingfish: Oh well. |
| 16:27.27 | b_52globemaster | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9008341397.html |
| 16:27.30 | Phated | FieldySnuts: #d-o! |
| 16:27.49 | thingfish | Phated: I see him falling into gay porn in less than a year. |
| 16:28.03 | Phated | thingfish: Re-ally. Pity. |
| 16:28.05 | greycat | thingfish: and you've already pre-ordered? :) |
| 16:28.08 | thingfish | lol |
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| 16:28.14 | Phated | Haha. |
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| 16:28.20 | Phated | greycat++ |
| 16:28.27 | iSteve | ;) |
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| 16:29.05 | Phated | Come on. You know Reality TV is just comedy, only with uglier people. :) |
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| 16:29.14 | thingfish | lol almost true |
| 16:29.15 | greycat | It's Cheap TV. They don't have to pay actors. |
| 16:29.22 | Phated | Exactemundo. |
| 16:29.24 | FieldySnuts | good point |
| 16:29.31 | moshii | greycat: or writers |
| 16:29.32 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Manhunt~ |
| 16:29.34 | thingfish | oh yes, way cheaper for the networks. |
| 16:29.35 | FieldySnuts | i'm not fond of any of it, i'll pass |
| 16:29.36 | charolastra | and any other constly stuff (like requisites ...) |
| 16:29.43 | grivell | Arrested Development, StarGate (sg1/atlantis) are the only TV I see thats not sports :) |
| 16:29.45 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Aww. *huggle* |
| 16:29.53 | thingfish | I'm a big reality show queen. |
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| 16:29.57 | Phated | What TV? I'm on IRC. :) |
| 16:30.01 | thingfish | lol |
| 16:30.03 | grivell | lol |
| 16:30.09 | Phated | It's like Reality TV, without cameras and pictures. :) |
| 16:30.22 | Penix | reality ascii |
| 16:30.23 | Phated | Like... All the idiocy, all the laughs, NONE of the ugly people. :D |
| 16:30.29 | moshii | Phated: you probably wouldn't want pictures anyway |
| 16:30.36 | Phated | Hm, I like that slogan. |
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| 16:30.45 | grivell | moshii: lol |
| 16:30.59 | Phated | "IRC... Reality TV, without cameras and pictures... All the idiocy, all the laughs, NONE of the ugly people. (you probably wouldn't want pictures anyway)" |
| 16:31.15 | Phated | (Comment in parentheses courtesy of moshii) |
| 16:31.15 | moshii | heh |
| 16:31.31 | thingfish | now, just show me one idiot on survivor or american idol! |
| 16:31.32 | phobo | Hello debian folks! Are there any gpg/pgp channel on this server??? |
| 16:31.33 | greycat | you forgot the bots. |
| 16:31.40 | greycat | #gnupg has 12 in it |
| 16:31.41 | Phated | thingfish: Simon. :) |
| 16:31.41 | EdibleText | "Now with 20% more stupid people" |
| 16:31.45 | thingfish | lol |
| 16:31.51 | Phated | Nah, Simon's cool. |
| 16:31.56 | greycat | EdibleText: just run a slashdot story and you'll get 30%. |
| 16:31.59 | phobo | greycat: tnx |
| 16:32.03 | thingfish | I like Paula, but she's almost an idiot sometimes. |
| 16:32.08 | EdibleText | heh |
| 16:32.12 | Phated | thingfish: You know they did a Singapore Idol? The most... -incredible- assortment of losers. :) |
| 16:32.17 | thingfish | wow |
| 16:32.18 | Nosf3ratu | What's a common reason for error 426: /dev/console not found? (Besides pebkac, obviously) |
| 16:32.24 | Phated | thingfish: Yeah. |
| 16:32.24 | Nosf3ratu | after a sarge install using d-i |
| 16:32.27 | greycat | Nosf3ratu: udev, devfs |
| 16:32.39 | thingfish | I think almost every country these days has an ~ Idol. |
| 16:32.42 | Nosf3ratu | greycat, wouldn't d-i automatically set that up? |
| 16:32.48 | Penix | everyone's doing one. they've already done two seasons of Australian Idol |
| 16:32.48 | Phated | Which bites. :) |
| 16:32.49 | greycat | Nosf3ratu: GODS, I would hope not! |
| 16:33.08 | moshii | thingfish: you mean really bad music isn't limited to the UK? thankgod |
| 16:33.11 | Phated | Oh see now you've got greycat in caps again, and after I worked so hard to make him laugh! |
| 16:33.17 | Nosf3ratu | greycat, so it gives the user the option which to select on installation? i don't remember seeing that when i did it |
| 16:33.34 | greycat | Nosf3ratu: you asked for a common reason for that sort of error and I gave two. |
| 16:33.34 | Phated | moshii: Dude... American Idol... Was only the first of many... |
| 16:33.45 | thingfish | moshii: what? the UK is responsible for a vast percentage of the good music in the world today. |
| 16:33.47 | Penix | Pop Idol (UK) was the first |
| 16:33.53 | directhex|work | thingfish, and bad. |
| 16:33.59 | moshii | Phated: we've had Pop idol, X factor, the BBC even made one! |
| 16:34.04 | thingfish | well, probably true. |
| 16:34.05 | Phated | And hexxeh would know. :) |
| 16:34.05 | greycat | there's good music today? |
| 16:34.15 | Penix | could've fooled me |
| 16:34.15 | directhex|work | greycat, if you know where to look |
| 16:34.17 | Phated | Break out the vinyl. |
| 16:34.18 | thingfish | oh yes |
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| 16:34.28 | moshii | thingfish: indeed, but we produce huge amounts of trash as well ;) |
| 16:34.47 | thingfish | moshii: well but you could say that about the U.S., too. |
| 16:34.47 | Phated | Not... as much as others. |
| 16:34.58 | EdibleText | ill plug. wfmu has an eclectic playlist. lots of random good music. |
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| 16:35.07 | Penix | switching between five music channels for an hour makes me want to open a vein |
| 16:35.18 | Phated | EdibleText: WFMU? |
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| 16:35.27 | directhex|work | somafm.com! |
| 16:35.27 | moshii | Penix: the ringtone adverts are the worse thing about music channels |
| 16:35.43 | Penix | moshii: ffs I hate those |
| 16:35.43 | moshii | ah god now! |
| 16:35.46 | EdibleText | Phated, its a local staion in NJ (jersey city) but they stream wfmu.org |
| 16:35.47 | moshii | *no |
| 16:35.52 | Phated | Ahh. |
| 16:36.01 | thingfish | I wonder if the American Idol judges check to see whether you're using kde or gnome. |
| 16:36.02 | greycat | EdibleText: college radio? |
| 16:36.07 | EdibleText | greycat, yes |
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| 16:36.24 | moshii | directhex|work: have you noticed the crazy frog seems to have something sticking out between his legs? |
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| 16:36.41 | thingfish | naughty, dirty froggie! |
| 16:36.43 | Penix | wtf. you guys have that stupid frog with the genitals in the uk too? |
| 16:36.53 | petemc | crazy frog! |
| 16:36.55 | Phated | What frog? |
| 16:37.01 | charolastra | genitals? |
| 16:37.02 | Phated | I'm probably thankful I don't know. |
| 16:37.03 | thingfish | I have not seen...this frog. |
| 16:37.03 | petemc | awful |
| 16:37.03 | mckelveyf | hello, would some one mind answer a couple of questions about x terminals for me? |
| 16:37.03 | Penix | ARGH. I hate that thing |
| 16:37.07 | moshii | Penix: yeah, every five minutes there's an advert for it |
| 16:37.10 | greycat | I should hope all frogs have genitals. |
| 16:37.13 | thingfish | how nasty |
| 16:37.23 | thingfish | well sure they do |
| 16:37.24 | Penix | moshii: is it "Jamster" that advertises it? |
| 16:37.25 | Phated | greycat: I believe they mean human genitals. |
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| 16:37.30 | directhex|work | moshii, it's called a willy! |
| 16:37.30 | borius_ | which identd is recommended? |
| 16:37.33 | thingfish | but not big, sticky-out ones. |
| 16:37.39 | greycat | borius_: depends on what you want it to do. |
| 16:37.48 | Phated | All right, this conversation has officially reached TMI status. |
| 16:37.48 | moshii | directhex|work: ah, I did wonder |
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| 16:37.49 | EdibleText | Genetic engineering is out of control |
| 16:37.53 | greycat | borius_: if you just want to connect to badly configured IRC servers, try nullidentd |
| 16:38.01 | Penix | I hope there aren't different companies licensing that stupid frog for redistrubution |
| 16:38.05 | greycat | (on the border NAT gateway, of course, not on the inner hosts) |
| 16:38.06 | borius_ | greycat: k |
| 16:38.07 | EdibleText | human genitals on frogs... |
| 16:38.18 | Bender | I'ts in scandinavia aswell... |
| 16:38.21 | borius_ | greycat: what to use for inner hosts? |
| 16:38.22 | Phated | Penix: Frog... porn... o.O |
| 16:38.32 | thingfish | what a world... |
| 16:38.35 | queuetue | Hello. I've got a colocated, unmanaged server running RHEL3, and I'd really prefer it didn't. Can anyone suggest a path to get debian running on it, considering I can never actually get to the box? |
| 16:38.35 | moshii | Penix: the noise is actually from some joke website, "the insanity test" IIRC, which has an F1 car, no frog |
| 16:38.38 | greycat | borius_: nothing at all. let the nullidentd on the NAT gateway answer them all. |
| 16:38.46 | orchid | mckelveyf: just ask |
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| 16:38.58 | directhex|work | queuetue, ask dpkg about debtakeover |
| 16:39.01 | borius_ | greycat: I can't install software on my gateway... |
| 16:39.04 | Phated | thingfish: Louis Armstrong spins in his grave. |
| 16:39.12 | thingfish | lol |
| 16:39.21 | greycat | borius_: then you're fucked. you can't get the ident requests *to* the inner hosts without special hackery on the gateway. |
| 16:39.24 | greycat | borius_: stick to freenode. |
| 16:39.27 | borius_ | greycat: I see |
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| 16:39.38 | Penix | there's a stupid "Ringtone Idol" ringtone ad on now with different idiotic animals singing |
| 16:39.38 | greycat | (and no, port forwarding won't work) |
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| 16:39.46 | Penix | a blue rhino rapping |
| 16:39.58 | EdibleText | queuetue, is it virtual or do you control the hardware? |
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| 16:40.07 | mckelveyf | first, does the x server need to be running at the same resolution as the x termninal? |
| 16:40.14 | greycat | Penix: must you really bring the channel's level of intelligence down on purpose? :/ |
| 16:40.14 | borius_ | greycat: it can't be done with port forwarding? |
| 16:40.17 | charolastra | mckelveyf: no |
| 16:40.46 | charolastra | mckelveyf: the terminal is just an applications |
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| 16:41.12 | greycat | borius_: well, maybe you could get static answers out of nullidentd that way. not sure. but you sure as hell won't ever get the "normal" UID-specific kernel-black-magic fucked-up answers that you "normally" expect from an ident service in the old 1990 world. |
| 16:41.25 | borius_ | greycat: I see |
| 16:41.37 | greycat | in other words, "dunno, try it, and if it doesn't work, I toldyaso" |
| 16:41.40 | queuetue | EdibleText, I control the hardware. |
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| 16:41.52 | queuetue | EdibleText, Well, financially, anyway. :) |
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| 16:42.08 | sussudio | Penix: http://marbella.to/humour/aug00/squirrel.jpg < it's coming for you and it's not afraid to teabag. |
| 16:42.09 | mckelveyf | charolastra: thank you, that cleared up some bad documentation |
| 16:42.16 | queuetue | Has anyone *used* debtakeover? |
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| 16:42.34 | EdibleText | queuetue, hmm I just read something about doing a remote 'takeover'.. |
| 16:42.38 | anguila | I'm trying to print in linux to a shared windows printer with samba, and I can't print. I connect to the printer with smbclient //host/printer, and I can connect to the printer and then I put print a.txt and return putting file a.txt as a.txt (0,5 kb/s) (average 0,5 kb/s), all OK, but isn't print anything. Although in the queud list of windows printing appeared: "a low level remote Document" printing... but this doesnt print any |
| 16:42.38 | anguila | thing. |
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| 16:42.56 | mckelveyf | second, can I query an an x server by its ip address? |
| 16:43.09 | greycat | mckelveyf: not if it's not listening on TCP. |
| 16:43.10 | debian | sussudio: hahahah |
| 16:43.16 | debian | sussudio: very manly |
| 16:43.18 | EdibleText | queuetue, I would just use rsync. but if youre not experianced with it you may need physical access as you may mess up |
| 16:43.26 | Penix | haha |
| 16:43.29 | queuetue | EdibleText, That's my concern. |
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| 16:43.54 | Penix | he won't have any trouble harvesting nuts for the winter |
| 16:44.06 | thingfish | heh |
| 16:44.12 | hippo | anguila: does the printer understand plain ascii? |
| 16:44.16 | queuetue | directhex|work, have you ever used debtakeover, or just heard of it? |
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| 16:44.29 | Phated | sussudio: Haha. |
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| 16:44.50 | mikael__ | hello |
| 16:45.03 | mikael__ | how do I know the frequency of my ide bus ?? |
| 16:45.19 | Skiver | in ur bios ? |
| 16:45.34 | sussudio | in soviet russia, squirrels harvest your nuts |
| 16:45.39 | EdibleText | queuetue, this may work for you. havnt tries it myself. "Remotely installing Debian over an existing Linux Install" http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=945 |
| 16:45.41 | thingfish | lol |
| 16:45.43 | valdyn | queuetue: try google? there must be something, debtakeover is very old, i used it before y2k iirc |
| 16:46.04 | p30n | hardware question: what gives better performance 1 x 256Mb ddr400mhz or 2 x 256 266Mhz ? its on a debian sarge box with 1.5ghz athlon |
| 16:46.06 | EdibleText | Submitted by Azhrarn on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 05:49 |
| 16:46.06 | mikael__ | Skiver I find it in the bios ? |
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| 16:46.08 | queuetue | valdyn, I tried the google, and am not finding instructions... I may just be stupid, though. |
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| 16:46.14 | mckelveyf | greycat: how do i specify to listen on TCP? I get confused when it comes to local hosts, I have a small "secure" network which I have specified host, but I don't know if I specified them correctly. |
| 16:46.24 | greycat | mckelveyf: /msg dpkg sshx /msg dpkg nolisten |
| 16:46.34 | anguila | hippo, the a.txt contains "hello world" |
| 16:46.51 | directhex|work | queuetue, i don't know if it's ever been tested :) |
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| 16:47.09 | hippo | anguila: I belive, but not all printers except the data in plain ascii |
| 16:47.17 | cire | Is there a xmms plugin which makes it act as an streaming server? |
| 16:47.20 | valdyn | queuetue: my google owns yours, im finding at least some stuff |
| 16:47.20 | p30n | hardware question: what gives better performance 1 x 256Mb ddr400mhz or 2 x 256 266Mhz ? its on a debian sarge box with 1.5ghz athlon |
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| 16:47.33 | EdibleText | queuetue, pssst 'I gave you a link, didja get it?' |
| 16:47.40 | SlayerXP | p30n: performance in what sense? |
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| 16:47.44 | directhex|work | p30n, depends what you're doing. i'd go for quantity in almost all scenarios though |
| 16:47.49 | Delph | one's faster, one's got more space. |
| 16:47.54 | julien` | Hello |
| 16:47.55 | SlayerXP | p30n: both will operate at equal speed when switched off |
| 16:48.00 | julien` | whare are kernel security updates not listed on debian.org/security |
| 16:48.05 | Delph | what do you want to *do* with it. |
| 16:48.12 | julien` | ? |
| 16:48.15 | julien` | s/whare/why |
| 16:48.16 | julien` | :) |
| 16:48.16 | mckelveyf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.16 | valdyn | queuetue: including one "erfahrungsbericht" ( german for experience report ) |
| 16:48.19 | p30n | SlayerXP: switched off ? |
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| 16:48.26 | SlayerXP | p30n: yes, i.e. not powered on. |
| 16:48.32 | greycat | julien`: because there isn't one? |
| 16:48.33 | thingfish | p30n: he was trying to make a funny. |
| 16:48.36 | EdibleText | p30n, its a joke. |
| 16:48.38 | p30n | duh |
| 16:48.49 | SlayerXP | I was being entirely serious actually |
| 16:48.53 | graytron | he? |
| 16:48.54 | p30n | lauging my arm off |
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| 16:49.05 | thingfish | we are all Last Comic Standing castoffs here. |
| 16:49.14 | p30n | so u think i should go with the slower 512 instead of fast 256 ? |
| 16:49.25 | SlayerXP | p30n: _for doing what_? |
| 16:49.25 | graytron | you can always buy more memory |
| 16:49.37 | EdibleText | p30n, use both. |
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| 16:50.15 | p30n | SlayerXP: for doing anything, i have these rams here on the table im jsut thinking what i should use |
| 16:50.37 | p30n | and that what i dont use, i need to give to my moms computer |
| 16:50.39 | SlayerXP | p30n: for general use, go for more memory |
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| 16:50.56 | graytron | p30n: older and slower memory is often more expensive than the currently 'widely used' memory |
| 16:51.34 | p30n | SlayerXP: ur telling me this, and a guy in another channel is telling me opposite, i need one more vote for slayer or the other guy |
| 16:51.47 | thingfish | more memory = better |
| 16:51.49 | queuetue | EdibleText, You sent me a link? |
| 16:51.54 | thingfish | mo memory, mo better. |
| 16:51.56 | EdibleText | queuetue, this may work for you. havnt tries it myself. "Remotely installing Debian over an existing Linux Install" http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=945 |
| 16:52.05 | SlayerXP | p30n: less memory mean you're more likely to hit swap, swap is _millions_ of times slower than real memory |
| 16:52.12 | anguila | ajap.. |
| 16:52.21 | julien` | greycat, there are a lot of vulnerabilities |
| 16:52.25 | graytron | SlayerXP: are you certain? |
| 16:52.31 | p30n | so quality before quantity isnt the case here then ? |
| 16:52.37 | julien` | at least two leading to root privileges in one month |
| 16:52.47 | greycat | SlayerXP: but he's divvying up a fixed pile of chips for two machines. Which is worse: him swapping a bit in Debian, or his mom constantly whining at him because her instant messenger is slow? |
| 16:52.57 | Delph | p30n: again; it depends on what you're doing with it. |
| 16:53.08 | greycat | julien`: debian only announces the ones it has fixed. not the ones it hasn't. |
| 16:53.12 | Delph | faster memory: good for hmm, not much. |
| 16:53.14 | SlayerXP | greycat: it's not me who'll be helping his mum |
| 16:53.25 | Delph | more memory: good for bloated things. |
| 16:53.29 | julien` | debian has still not fixed the SMP race from latest week ? |
| 16:53.35 | julien` | or the uselib() ? |
| 16:53.53 | mckelveyf | greycat: thanks, reading it now |
| 16:54.01 | p30n | say im running a sshd glftpd and an eggdrop, thats about it, what would be better choice? |
| 16:54.02 | greycat | julien`: Debian's kernel security updates are notoriously slow. As in, days to weeks. |
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| 16:54.23 | greycat | julien`: this is what happens when you cover 11 architectures and have umpteen different versions of each kernel... |
| 16:54.32 | justin | p30n: not running a warez server would be a better choice |
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| 16:54.36 | mikael__ | ok thanx |
| 16:54.36 | julien` | greycat, but I mean I don't even find announced for security problems from october or september |
| 16:54.39 | mikael__ | bye |
| 16:54.43 | EdibleText | p30n, more mem to mom |
| 16:54.44 | graytron | greycat: but usually faster than official stable kernel release |
| 16:54.45 | graytron | s |
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| 16:54.55 | greycat | graytron: hah, true. |
| 16:55.05 | julien` | greycat, is it correct there is no fix for that too, or I made a mistake somewhere? |
| 16:55.05 | greycat | not always, though |
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| 16:55.12 | greycat | julien`: if you have a patch, apply it. be happy. |
| 16:55.18 | graytron | in debian kernel you can trust |
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| 16:55.44 | graytron | except when someone hacks www.debian.org |
| 16:55.45 | greycat | graytron: there're *reasons* why my border gateway is openbsd and not Linux. |
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| 16:56.21 | p30n | EdibleText: so u say? hmm im thinking that 2x256 would be better cuz i can run em on dual channel then ? |
| 16:56.21 | graytron | greycat: how often do new openbsd kernel's get released? |
| 16:56.37 | thingfish | I say toss a coin. |
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| 16:57.26 | clusty | is tehre a way to change the refresh rate of my video card? |
| 16:57.40 | clusty | my lcd and videocard work under win at 100hz |
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| 16:57.56 | netic | hi there. is there a c++ library for handling regular expressions? |
| 16:57.56 | greycat | graytron: there are no "kernel releases" in BSD. That's a Linuxism. BSD is a unified system; kernel and userspace are worked on together, by the same team, at the same time. OpenBSD releases every 6 months. |
| 16:58.07 | thingfish | clusty: there's this little file, called /etc/X11/XF86Config-4... |
| 16:58.10 | greycat | graytron: security patches are released as source code diffs when needed. |
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| 16:58.30 | EdibleText | p30n, do what you like. You asked, I say think about mum. |
| 16:58.42 | clusty | thingfish: and what might be the tag and where do i have to place it? |
| 16:58.58 | p30n | EdibleText: ur telling me mom needs more mem? she cant even tell the difference between 2d and 3d man :p |
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| 16:59.08 | graytron | greycat: sounds very good. what would i miss with Debian/OpenBSD ? |
| 16:59.11 | thingfish | I agree with EdibleText - if you do what's right by your mom, you'll feel good. |
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| 17:00.05 | greycat | graytron: there is no Debian/OpenBSD project any more. |
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| 17:00.14 | spdf | I downloaded the rpm for the xorg fglrx drivers, alien'd the rpm...I have xorg compiled to /usr/local/X11R6.8...can I get the fglrx deb to install to that, instead of /usr/X11? |
| 17:00.17 | graytron | greycat: have you tried any Debian/*BSD ? |
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| 17:00.21 | greycat | #debian-bsd is down to 2 users, but you can ask them... |
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| 17:00.35 | greycat | no, I haven't |
| 17:00.45 | GoD_SPeeD | where can i find the 'terminal' font in linux |
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| 17:00.47 | graytron | oh well |
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| 17:01.05 | spdf | Or, unpack the deb, and change the install directories...repack the deb...possible? |
| 17:01.06 | graytron | greycat: thanks |
| 17:01.16 | greycat | IMHO, running Debian userspace on a BSD kernel is ignoring one of the major benefits of BSD, namely, the unified kernel/userspace. |
| 17:01.37 | graytron | oh yes |
| 17:01.39 | Jenns | I'm fairly new to kernel recompiling, I'm missing sound.o, is there a quicker way of getting it than make menu-config; make modules ? |
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| 17:01.51 | greycat | Jenns: no |
| 17:01.57 | Jenns | :-( |
| 17:02.00 | graytron | greycat: is there something called user mode openbsd? :) |
| 17:02.01 | greycat | and in fact, even THAT won't work. |
| 17:02.33 | graytron | greycat: rather some virtual machine to run linux on top of openbsd |
| 17:02.38 | jetscreamer | how do i get svga to work as me the user |
| 17:02.41 | jetscreamer | what group do i need to be in or whatever |
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| 17:02.42 | jetscreamer | i dimly remember when it got installed something about security |
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| 17:03.09 | jetscreamer | works as root |
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| 17:03.54 | greycat | jetscreamer: I think most people have stopped bothering trying to get svgalib to work |
| 17:04.06 | ZenithDK | is there any util to get the path of a filename? like there is basename for getting the filename itself, but how about the path |
| 17:04.12 | jetscreamer | it does work though, it's just a permission thing |
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| 17:04.16 | greycat | dirname is the opposite of basename |
| 17:04.36 | greycat | DAMN, I should not have done that. |
| 17:04.38 | EdibleText | jetscreamer, are you trying to access some device and getting permission denied? check the group on the device then add the user to that group.. |
| 17:04.47 | greycat | I stupidly checked "man basename" expecting to see "SEE ALSO ... dirname(1)" |
| 17:05.00 | greycat | Now I'm just pissed off at GNU "documentation" again. |
| 17:05.38 | graytron | greycat :( |
| 17:05.47 | ZenithDK | greycat: I don't have that in my gnu doc for basename |
| 17:05.50 | Zta | Why won't my wlan nic start up as eth1, but only eth0? I have my standard nic configured as eth0 and the wlan as eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces, but if I do ifup eth1 I get allot of those "standard" network config errors in the console (sorry, I don't have anything specific here). But if I swap eth1 and eth0 in the interfaces-file, ifup eth0 does bring up my wlan properly. What did I configure wrong? |
| 17:05.54 | ZenithDK | I *did* check that you see ;) |
| 17:05.58 | greycat | ZenithDK: neither do I. That's the POINT. |
| 17:06.07 | greycat | it SHOULD BE THERE. |
| 17:06.17 | ZenithDK | sorry, thought you were being sarcastic :) thanks! |
| 17:06.24 | jetscreamer | i remember dimly it's something about the svgalib's permissions or somesuch.. i'm in the video group though. |
| 17:06.30 | greycat | there should NOT be any man page on a Unix system which is not the authoritative MANUAL (that's what *man* stands for!) on the topic. |
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| 17:06.46 | greycat | AUTHOR |
| 17:06.46 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.50 | greycat | ^^^ CRAP! SHIT! |
| 17:06.55 | ZenithDK | LOL |
| 17:06.58 | idnar | greycat: ahem. |
| 17:06.58 | iSteve | lol |
| 17:07.06 | sussudio | @crap |
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| 17:07.14 | jetscreamer | !carp |
| 17:07.15 | dpkg | methinks carp is the Common Address Redundancy Protocol, part of OpenBSD 3.5. It allows seamless firewall redundancy/failover as well as failover for many network applications. See <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2873> or ask me about <Redundancy must be free>. |
| 17:07.16 | jetscreamer | fish |
| 17:07.18 | idnar | greycat: surely that's a copyright issue? |
| 17:07.19 | sussudio | ravenbird: you're useless |
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| 17:07.33 | jetscreamer | dpkg, carp is also a smelly fish |
| 17:07.34 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 17:07.36 | justin | greycat: the best thing that could happen to that documentation is for it to just be completely lost and have to be rewritten |
| 17:07.37 | idnar | greycat: oh nm, missed the FSF copyright statement (god only knows how) |
| 17:08.00 | greycat | justin: that'll never happen, though. There's always a copy somewhere on the internet. |
| 17:08.04 | Daffy-PKF | the configuration before this one i had two plugins for emelfm (progress bars for copy and move) does someone know wich source give them? i can't remember |
| 17:08.04 | talus_ | anyone get nvidia drivers to install properly on 2.6.8-9-amd64-k8? |
| 17:08.07 | idnar | greycat: the info doc for it isn't any better, incidentally |
| 17:08.17 | justin | greycat: the fact that it is copyright 2004 is sad, since its obviously not been touched in years |
| 17:08.20 | greycat | it's not like basename and dirname need long tomes, either. |
| 17:08.39 | greycat | justin: woody's is (c) 2000 |
| 17:08.56 | justin | greycat: probably the same as the one in sarge |
| 17:08.58 | graytron | hahaha i checked the microsoft site one day and it still had (c) 2004 |
| 17:09.07 | greycat | hell, the "The full documentation for basename is maintained as a Texinfo manual. ...." paragraph is as long as the man page needs to be. |
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| 17:09.29 | idnar | graytron: I don't believe it makes any practical difference what year(s) you put or don't put in a copyright statement |
| 17:09.38 | greycat | not in the US, anyway. |
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| 17:10.00 | greycat | you automatically hold copyright on anything you publish in the US, unless you explicitly refute such claims |
| 17:10.06 | graytron | copyrighted material remain copyrighter forever in us? |
| 17:10.13 | greycat | graytron: in theory, no. in practice, yes. |
| 17:10.14 | graytron | copyrighted |
| 17:10.37 | greycat | Disney keeps lobbying Congress to extend copyrights every time Mickey comes close to expiring. |
| 17:10.38 | graytron | greycat: that's silly |
| 17:10.52 | graytron | not from disney's point of view |
| 17:10.55 | jetscreamer | that's corporate america |
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| 17:12.34 | SlayerXP | copyright are easily renwewed |
| 17:12.39 | SlayerXP | try again |
| 17:12.46 | graytron | :) |
| 17:12.46 | SlayerXP | copyrights are easily renewed |
| 17:12.56 | gerard_ | hello, anyone knows how to mount an apt-get server (to get packages from this server by APT) |
| 17:13.00 | SlayerXP | (c) SlayerXP, 2005 |
| 17:13.02 | graytron | SlayerXP: very good |
| 17:13.37 | SlayerXP | gerard_: you don't "mount" a debian repository, you add it to your sources list |
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| 17:13.57 | graytron | any way to configure squid to work as a transparent apt-get proxy even when the site is down? |
| 17:14.21 | graytron | (site = ftp.<insert_country_code>.debian.org) |
| 17:14.26 | gerard_ | SlayerXP: For example, if i have an http server mounted on my debian, how i do an apt-get source :s? |
| 17:14.35 | greycat | hmm... #squid exists. |
| 17:14.50 | graytron | yes, but my question is debian related |
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| 17:15.03 | SlayerXP | gerard_: your question makes no sense whatsoever. |
| 17:15.03 | greycat | I'm not saying it's not on topic here, just that it's not likely we can answer it. |
| 17:15.11 | graytron | ok thanks |
| 17:15.36 | wk_ | What steps have to be taken to get an audio card working? lcpci says I have a: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
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| 17:15.46 | greycat | gerard_: either it's mounted, in which case you access it as a local file: URL, or it's HTTP, in which case you use an http: URL. |
| 17:15.59 | greycat | !FAQ wk_ |
| 17:16.00 | dpkg | wk_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:16.09 | wk_ | greycat: thanks |
| 17:16.13 | greycat | wk_: try the via82cxxx_audio driver, if you use OSS and not ALSA |
| 17:16.21 | jsm | i have some tcpdump's with some http basic authentications in it, i know basic authentication uses base64 encoding, what is a good way to "grep out" those username/passwords? |
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| 17:16.31 | greycat | jsm: uudecode |
| 17:16.36 | gerard_ | SlayerXP: I want: up my file to my local http server, and then, i add sources to my apt (ex: deb http://127.0.0.1 main unstable) |
| 17:16.51 | gerard_ | but... how i do this :s? |
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| 17:17.02 | SlayerXP | gerard_: in exactly the manner you just descibed |
| 17:17.03 | jsm | greycat, have you use that before to do it? |
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| 17:17.09 | SlayerXP | described |
| 17:17.24 | greycat | gerard_: what's your goal? |
| 17:17.32 | greycat | jsm: of course not. |
| 17:17.34 | gerard_ | SlayerXP: yes |
| 17:17.36 | stew | gerard_: read the debian repository howto |
| 17:17.40 | greycat | jsm: but uudecode -m WILL decode them. |
| 17:17.44 | gerard_ | ok |
| 17:17.49 | stew | !repository howto |
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| 17:18.07 | stew | !repository howto is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 17:18.07 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 17:19.16 | Skiver | !truetype |
| 17:19.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, truetype is at truetype debian howto http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html and to get truetype fonts working fine with debian, apt-get install xfstt (or xfsxtt), copy your fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype, type (as root) /etc/init.d/xfstt restart, and echo "xset fp+ unix/:7101" >> ~/.xinitrc as the user that will be running X, and you're done. xfree86-4 "howto" at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0011/msg01817.html, or owned by microso |
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| 17:19.32 | FieldySnuts | @lart xml2 |
| 17:19.41 | FieldySnuts | i guess it puts the lotion on the skin |
| 17:19.52 | thingfish | lol |
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| 17:21.43 | spdf | Weeee...Xorg works.. |
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| 17:22.00 | spdf | Well..So far |
| 17:22.04 | greycat | !flw |
| 17:22.04 | dpkg | <greycat> hsn: what the hell did you do? plug in an IDE drive while the system was powered on?!? <hsn> greycat , yes . cant do this ? |
| 17:22.19 | anguila | when i put smbclient //host/printer-name and I put dir, this return NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED listing \*, how can I have access to the printer ? |
| 17:22.29 | greycat | anguila: ask #samba |
| 17:22.40 | graytron | anguila: try with -U <username> |
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| 17:23.00 | anguila | # smbclient -U David //helena/Helena |
| 17:23.00 | anguila | Unknown parameter encountered: "guest users" |
| 17:23.00 | anguila | Ignoring unknown parameter "guest users" |
| 17:23.08 | graytron | anguila: wrong order |
| 17:23.25 | graytron | afair |
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| 17:23.36 | anguila | smbclient //helena/Helena -U David return the same error |
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| 17:23.49 | Zta | Must I have the driver for my eth0 loaded, before I can ifup eth1? |
| 17:24.04 | |stefan| | is it possible to list marked badblocks on a filesystem ? |
| 17:24.05 | netic | how do i extract files to specified directory with tar? |
| 17:24.07 | graytron | anguila: you have configured your samba wrong |
| 17:24.18 | Zta | I've never understood the naming of the eth-devices. They are not strictly defined by the /etc/network/interfaces, it appears.. |
| 17:24.19 | greycat | anguila: did you even run testparm yet? |
| 17:24.24 | graytron | anguila: try installing swat and configure samba with your browser |
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| 17:24.32 | greycat | no, try reading the howto on samba.org |
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| 17:24.53 | graytron | better yet |
| 17:25.01 | greycat | Zta: the kernel names them. interfaces(5) just tells ifup(8) what to *do* to them. |
| 17:26.10 | greycat | netic: tar -C |
| 17:26.40 | netic | greycat: thanks |
| 17:26.53 | spdf | Man..This is awesome |
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| 17:27.14 | spdf | Too bad it's so damn slow... |
| 17:27.26 | spdf | (Xorg..with transparencies..and such..) |
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| 17:28.14 | greycat | that's not reassuring. |
| 17:28.21 | graytron | greycat: you're damn good at answering every damn question |
| 17:28.36 | greycat | no, not nearly all of them. not even half. |
| 17:28.37 | pif | the speedcat |
| 17:28.52 | graytron | greycat: have you calculated the percentage? |
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| 17:29.20 | pngwn | heh |
| 17:29.25 | Vyrus001 | help |
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| 17:30.04 | Zta | greycat, That explains. So if I want mess with eth1, I have to have a driver for another NIC loaded first? E.g. I have to load the driver for my rj45 NIC (what's it called?) eepro100, before I can load my wlan driver, airo, and expect that to be named eth1? |
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| 17:30.38 | Mattheos | hello |
| 17:30.41 | WiFiTux | Vyrus001, you got aids |
| 17:30.43 | greycat | Zta: the order in which the driver modules are loaded determines the naming. |
| 17:30.48 | EdibleText | Vyrus001, no need to act out. |
| 17:30.52 | Mattheos | anybody up for helping me with a debian netinstall? |
| 17:30.53 | Zta | greycat, excellent |
| 17:30.57 | nvz | grr.. I am trying to pickup where I left off copying definitions from the web to OOo to outline the context vocbulary I will be using.. all the damn paste fuctions are grey and will not work from the edit menu, I can Ctrl+V paste, but I want "Paste Special" to remove the HTML formatting |
| 17:31.04 | Vyrus001 | lol sorry |
| 17:31.11 | Zta | greycat, thanks. That puts an end to years of frustration =) |
| 17:31.14 | EdibleText | Vyrus001, ask your question. perhaps we can help |
| 17:31.15 | Vyrus001 | was messing with irc commands and hit the wrong one :p |
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| 17:31.33 | enric | hi |
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| 17:31.49 | nvz | Vyrus001: what irc command triggers mispelled actions? |
| 17:32.14 | Vyrus001 | ./ame |
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| 17:33.08 | nvz | Vyrus001: using mIRC? most decent clients dont have _all_ functions |
| 17:33.26 | Vyrus001 | nvz|| xchat |
| 17:33.31 | graytron | i was trying to read slashdot but i received the following error message "19:32 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: ." |
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| 17:34.03 | chickaroo | ... |
| 17:34.05 | nvz | graytron: you are kidding ... right?! |
| 17:34.11 | chickaroo | wtf that does it on all servers |
| 17:34.23 | Delph | graytron: patently your irssi scripting foo is weak. |
| 17:34.33 | graytron | nvz: guess ;) |
| 17:34.34 | chickaroo | ohh that's for all... |
| 17:34.54 | graytron | Delph: heh |
| 17:35.09 | nvz | yeah, lame clients have functions to send messages or actions to all windows |
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| 17:35.33 | anguila | graytron, http://localhost: ? |
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| 17:35.41 | anguila | which ip for wat? |
| 17:35.47 | nvz | there is no reason someone using IRC for a legitimate purpose needs such a thing really. though I have asked a question in here and also in a gnome channel once |
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| 17:37.08 | nvz | I often wonder the chances of a lighter kept in ones pocket ever accidentally gets pressed and releases fluid |
| 17:37.35 | greycat | depends on whether you stick your hand in the pocket and press it |
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| 17:37.51 | graytron | nvz: my lighter emits gas |
| 17:37.57 | d3niz | hi |
| 17:38.04 | nvz | heh, well I slept with my jeans on last night and a bic lighter in my back pocket |
| 17:38.15 | a-atwood | nvz: well it happens fairly frequently that someone working as a welder gets a glob of white-hot metal in a pocket with a lighter.... |
| 17:38.16 | nvz | I figure its possible it could have been pressed moving around |
| 17:38.21 | EdibleText | I wouldnt keep a small imporvised explosive device so close to my 'boys', personnally |
| 17:38.41 | d3niz | my gnome panels are hide :S my sister touch something and I can't see the panels |
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| 17:38.57 | greycat | nvz: may I suggest you either disrobe or empty your pockets before sleeping next time? |
| 17:38.58 | nvz | heh, it would have blown my ass off, not my "boys" |
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| 17:39.02 | d3niz | how can I add a panel ? |
| 17:39.13 | Delph | nvz: this is why lighters are so hard to spin the wheelything. |
| 17:39.16 | nvz | greycat: yeah I wasnt planning on going to sleep actually, just kind of happened |
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| 17:40.01 | graytron | nvz: i think your worries are hightly exaggerated |
| 17:40.13 | nvz | Delph: yeah but that only stops it from igniting, the button is very easy to press, anyhow I take the band of metal off the steel wheel so I can operate it.. every child I ever met can still light a lighter with those on it, but I cant. |
| 17:40.16 | d3niz | sombady hear me ? |
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| 17:40.18 | eflynn | eh? what about lighters? |
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| 17:40.37 | cahoot | nvz: the major problem would be the smoking the lighter implies |
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| 17:40.38 | chetan13 | anyone here use dante? |
| 17:40.50 | a-atwood | I probably should ask this in the gnome forum, but anyone had problesm with nautilus not saving the current # of workspaces on logout? My fresh sid install keeps dropping back to 1 workspace. |
| 17:40.50 | d3niz | nvz do U know wat to do I? |
| 17:40.52 | greycat | eflynn: "don't catch yourself on fire", I think is the message here. |
| 17:40.55 | chetan13 | i am having a problem with dns resolution |
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| 17:41.10 | greycat | d3niz: take an English class? |
| 17:41.13 | eflynn | d3niz: yes we hear you, we just don't know/don't care :-P |
| 17:41.27 | chetan13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.29 | nvz | d3niz: find a kindergarden teacher FAST! and get here to teach you the alphabet song, once you pass Grade school come back |
| 17:41.31 | wk | Howto I know if a special module got already loaded if I shouldn't use *modprobe* (but discover and hotplug) under Sarge? |
| 17:41.51 | d3niz | realy |
| 17:41.52 | WiFiTux | wk, juat? |
| 17:42.03 | nvz | s/here/her/ |
| 17:42.07 | wk | WiFiTux: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo#head-1eb989ca58ae13db26d8318606e5027785a168e8 |
| 17:42.13 | chetan13 | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 17:42.13 | chetan13 | 10.0.0.0 10.138.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:42.13 | chetan13 | 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:42.18 | WiFiTux | wk, because it supports hotplug, check dmesg |
| 17:42.24 | wk | WiFiTux: ok |
| 17:42.30 | eflynn | god damn kernels take a long time to compile |
| 17:42.50 | greycat | d3niz: or find a GNOME channel. |
| 17:42.57 | d3niz | thnx |
| 17:43.01 | chetan13 | socksify wget 216.239.37.99 works but socksify wget google.com doesn't work |
| 17:43.04 | d3niz | but i;m not a toy |
| 17:43.04 | WiFiTux | wk, else should be under /etc/modules or check lsmod |
| 17:43.04 | greycat | d3niz: or do what the rest of us do when a GUI fucks up: click things randomly until it's fixed again. |
| 17:43.06 | nvz | eflynn: all depends on how big the source is, and what kind of hardware you got crunching the code |
| 17:43.08 | d3niz | to play U with me |
| 17:43.09 | EdibleText | eflynn, they do? :) |
| 17:43.12 | d3niz | cncncn |
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| 17:43.23 | eflynn | nvz: in this case, a pentium II :-/ |
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| 17:43.24 | greycat | what the hell is a cncncn? |
| 17:43.30 | chetan13 | no one knows? |
| 17:43.32 | d3niz | take a teacher |
| 17:43.36 | d3niz | and teach |
| 17:43.50 | d3niz | thnx for help |
| 17:43.59 | greycat | or you could blow away ~/.gnome and ~/.gconf and let them be regenerated. |
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| 17:44.16 | nvz | greycat: I dont know but I think our friend is incapable of participating here. |
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| 17:44.45 | nsillik | if i download the kernel-source package... does that already have the changes in it that are applied by the kernel-patch-debian? |
| 17:45.00 | greycat | nsillik: they are patched. |
| 17:45.10 | nsillik | greycat: gracias |
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| 17:45.27 | nvz | his spelling and grammar are worse than mine has been in some 15 years. |
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| 17:45.37 | greycat | nvz: mine were *never* that bad. |
| 17:45.42 | wk | WiFiTux: Thanks |
| 17:45.50 | WiFiTux | wk, sure |
| 17:46.06 | nvz | greycat: oh yeah? you were born a scholar? |
| 17:46.07 | dmesg | greycat: kernel-patch-debian is intended for ppl using vanilla kernels then ? |
| 17:46.26 | greycat | nvz: well, discount my toddler years. |
| 17:46.46 | greycat | then again, a 2 year old shouldn't be installing or maintaining GNOME on a Linux system. |
| 17:47.19 | nvz | greycat: yeah well I am only 21, and I died when I was 6, so do the math.. 15 years ago is when I was sent back to earth to live again |
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| 17:47.45 | EdibleText | nvz, too wierd. |
| 17:47.46 | Mauro__ | Hi |
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| 17:48.03 | greycat | I'm quite positive I could spell better than d3niz by the time I was 3. |
| 17:48.11 | Mauro__ | is there a qmail-ldap package somewhere? I cant find it even googling. |
| 17:48.12 | greycat | my vocabulary sucked, though |
| 17:48.14 | nvz | EdibleText: yeah I take this to be what people mean when they tell me to burn in hell |
| 17:48.52 | eflynn | "my vocabulary wasn't always good. If I had known the difference between an 'anecdote' and an 'antidote', my brother might still be alive." |
| 17:48.52 | nvz | EdibleText: If I were a little more religous I would say I am an angel or a prophet sent here to carry out a holy crusade |
| 17:49.00 | greycat | eflynn: heh |
| 17:49.11 | EdibleText | nvz, you had a death experiance? |
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| 17:49.36 | nvz | EdibleText: in a coma for over a week with my brain swelling up in my head, they said I would surely die |
| 17:49.45 | thingfish | wow |
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| 17:50.31 | thingfish | what caused the coma? |
| 17:50.42 | nvz | car accident |
| 17:50.46 | thingfish | oh |
| 17:50.51 | thingfish | rough |
| 17:50.52 | EdibleText | nvz, Im glad to know it worked out for you. The human body is quite resiliant |
| 17:50.59 | thingfish | thank god |
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| 17:51.07 | nvz | I woke up on mothers day |
| 17:51.11 | thingfish | aww |
| 17:51.26 | thingfish | I bet your mom was happy |
| 17:51.48 | nvz | the only reason I mention the holy crusade, is it has come to my attention over the years that I am the only one in the past 3 generations of my family I am the only one with the will or the knowlage to make a change in all our lives.. I just don't know if I have the strength |
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| 17:52.23 | EdibleText | I almost died whn in eighth grade. bone abcess the size of a summer sausage on my tibia |
| 17:52.31 | thingfish | wow yuck |
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| 17:53.04 | EdibleText | I was in hospital for a week before they 'explored' the sweeling |
| 17:53.19 | spdf | I have a lump the size of a golf ball on my skull...I call it Llyod... |
| 17:53.28 | EdibleText | typically 300 lb linebackers get this not 100 lb 12 year olds |
| 17:53.40 | thingfish | huh |
| 17:53.50 | greycat | EdibleText: hairline fracture gone horribly wrong? |
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| 17:54.12 | EdibleText | greycat, pherhapps I was very active |
| 17:54.19 | Delph | nvz: oh gods, dont start on any holy crusades. You are not infused with the spirit of god, like some people put rum in a coffee. If you want to do good things, just do them yourself. |
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| 17:54.31 | spdf | Llyod needs to get removed some day... |
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| 17:54.48 | Coutsos_ | can somebody help me with my debian netinstall? |
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| 17:54.58 | greycat | Coutsos_: just ask your question. |
| 17:55.07 | nyetzsche | anyone know how to disable Win key from bringing up K-Menu in Debian's KDE? (apparently there was/is some hateful hardcoded hack added in by Debian) The NumLock workaround is not viable here. Any others? |
| 17:55.16 | nvz | Delph: I am not the least religous so I dont take things to the extremes those religous fundamentalists would.. I am just using it as a well known explanation |
| 17:55.23 | greycat | nyetzsche: man xmodmap |
| 17:55.30 | Coutsos_ | every time i try to install it, i get to about 61% and it tells me there is no installable kernel found |
| 17:55.38 | Vladi1 | hi what is a good program to archive a whole web page? |
| 17:55.42 | Delph | Vladi1: wget. |
| 17:55.43 | greycat | Vladi1: wget |
| 17:55.45 | nsillik | how do i change the version of GCC that a kbuild uses? |
| 17:55.52 | greycat | a *what*build? |
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| 17:56.02 | Mauro__ | is there a qmail-ldap package somewhere??? I cant find it even googling. |
| 17:56.12 | Vladi1 | Delph, greycat : what are the parameters for wget to do such a thing? |
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| 17:56.18 | Coutsos_ | any ideas? |
| 17:56.20 | Delph | Vladi1: man wget. |
| 17:56.21 | greycat | there's no qmail package in debian. why would you expect a qmail-ldap one? |
| 17:56.27 | Vladi1 | Delph, greycat : lets say go one level deep |
| 17:56.33 | greycat | Vladi1: man wget |
| 17:56.37 | nyetzsche | greycat: heh, was hoping for something easier... more KDE-wayish of doing it |
| 17:56.37 | nsillik | kernel build |
| 17:56.46 | nvz | the thing is, that the same fate has become of every person in my family for generations, they all live by the first line of the serenity prayer, which is accept what you cannot change.. they know nothing of the rest of the prayer which said they must also have the courage to change what they can, and the wisdom to know the difference. |
| 17:56.48 | greycat | Vladi1: better to do that on a woody box; the sarge man page dropped all the examples for some ungodly reason. |
| 17:56.54 | Mauro__ | there is a qmail-src package on debian |
| 17:57.00 | greycat | Mauro__: yes, and? |
| 17:57.13 | Vladi1 | Delph, greycat : thx |
| 17:57.25 | Mauro__ | and it compiles qmail |
| 17:57.26 | Mauro__ | :P |
| 17:57.42 | greycat | Mauro__: and almost nobody uses it. For good reasons. |
| 17:58.04 | nvz | all I can say for my religous stand, is that I have a strong faith, and that faith lies within, or I would not be here today. |
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| 17:59.12 | EdibleText | nvz, is it a 'leap of faith' or do you take your coma recovery as proof |
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| 17:59.38 | Mauro__ | what mta you recommend on debian with ldap support? |
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| 18:01.03 | ralfWORK | ok so... |
| 18:01.14 | ralfWORK | what is teh consensus on how /etc/hosts is set up? |
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| 18:01.31 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: Per the examples in the file. |
| 18:01.31 | [Roosta] | where can you get a replacement /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 18:01.43 | SlayerXP | ralfWORK: I personally think it should be entirely in plain text |
| 18:01.44 | thomas_adam | [Roosta]: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:01.45 | minimec | Hi folks. I have a quiet strange problem with ifup/ifdown. When I start my wlan0 interface with ifup, I can't get the connection to the gateway. with 'route' it takes very long time to get the routing table. the routing table then seems correct, but no connection to the gateway. If I start my wlan with a script, everything works fine. the routing table is shown immideatly. |
| 18:01.46 | Jenns | whats the debian equivilant of /etc/conf.modules ? (I'm running kernel 2.6.8 if that helps) |
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| 18:01.49 | ralfWORK | right |
| 18:01.59 | EdibleText | ralfWORK, man hosts |
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| 18:02.09 | thomas_adam | Jenns: modules.conf - although you might want to use 'modconf'. |
| 18:02.15 | ralfWORK | where do people put the host name though? on the 127.0.0.1 line? or do you make a line for your ip address and put it there? |
| 18:02.18 | Jenns | ok |
| 18:02.25 | [Roosta] | thomas_adam - exim4-config expects that file to be there |
| 18:02.27 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: man hosts -- vi /etc/hosts, ffs. |
| 18:02.28 | ralfWORK | I'm familiar with what hosts files look like, believe me |
| 18:02.35 | EdibleText | ralfWORK, from thw man page: IP_address canonical_hostname aliases |
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| 18:02.46 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: I'm curious to see how others do this |
| 18:02.48 | ralfWORK | thats all |
| 18:02.53 | thomas_adam | [Roosta]: So reinstall the package, then. Why is it even missing? |
| 18:03.08 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: There's no consensus -- I don't even use it. |
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| 18:03.16 | [Roosta] | i tried, it won't reinstall without the file |
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| 18:03.26 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: There is only one means of adding hosts to it -- see the examples contained therein. |
| 18:03.30 | nvz | EdibleText: I never really even think about that stuff. I cant remember most anything. I just in the past week realized what I just said. I had a talk with my uncle recently who has 3 kids none of which he really ever been around.. and he trumped me with that serenity prayer, and I just laughed and walked away. all I know is I have a very loving family of good people. None of them has ever done anything with their lives, and comes to accept everything as it ... |
| 18:03.35 | [Roosta] | i don't know what happened, all i know is i have a busted exim4 install |
| 18:03.37 | nvz | ... comes without any effort. I've realized this, and if I don't take this realization seriously and do something about it, nobody else will. Call it what you want, like I said I only mentioned it because it would be understood using those familiar terms |
| 18:03.37 | thomas_adam | [Roosta]: dpkg -P it first. |
| 18:03.51 | mirak | is there a way to have this kind of behavior in the shell for autocompletion : for ls,cd,rm,mv etcetera, the first time I hit tab, it shows the list of possiblities, then the next tab hits, cycle through the available possibilities |
| 18:03.53 | mirak | ? |
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| 18:04.06 | thomas_adam | mirak: Like zsh does, you mean? |
| 18:04.27 | mirak | thomas_adam: I know msdos cycle the name without completion. I don't know zsh |
| 18:04.33 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: that answer really has nothing to do with my question |
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| 18:04.39 | thomas_adam | mirak: You might have to hack bash_complete. |
| 18:04.40 | ralfWORK | but thank you for pointing me to the man page |
| 18:04.42 | caphuso | mirak: use M-? instead of the first tab |
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| 18:04.45 | ralfWORK | I've never heard of a man page before |
| 18:05.07 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: So *what* is it you want to know? |
| 18:05.13 | abrotman | man man |
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| 18:05.22 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: where do people generally put the host name of the machine? |
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| 18:05.29 | nsillik | if i use the premtable kernel option(on AMD64), what are the chances it will break? |
| 18:05.33 | mirak | caphuso: what combination is it ? |
| 18:05.36 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: on a line with 127.0.0.1, or an a line that has the IP of the network card? |
| 18:05.48 | caphuso | mirak: your meta key (probably alt) and ? |
| 18:05.51 | [Roosta] | thanks thomas_adam |
| 18:06.10 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: I use "hostname". But adding 127.0.0.1 is also one way. But they're different. |
| 18:06.13 | RichiH | ralfWORK: man and info are programs that show you documentation about programs |
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| 18:06.39 | ralfWORK | RichiH: I guess I should have slapped <sarcasm> ... </sarcasm> tags around my statement |
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| 18:06.56 | mirak | caphuso: you mean the key "?" , this doesn't work |
| 18:07.13 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: seems that debian's init setup looks up your hostname in /etc/hosts and has hostname use that value... or am I wrong? |
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| 18:07.19 | caphuso | mirak: does hitting escape, then hitting ? work? |
| 18:07.20 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: Sarcasm isn't going to help you, bar pissing people off. |
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| 18:07.41 | mirak | caphuso: no |
| 18:07.47 | gblack-do | why would X freeze my keyboard and mouse, when mouse works fine in console mode, chose psaux in Xconfig and keyboard won't ctl+alt+backspace |
| 18:07.51 | caphuso | mirak: what shell are you using? |
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| 18:07.59 | mirak | caphuso: bash |
| 18:08.13 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: You're wrong. It uses /etc/hostname |
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| 18:08.20 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: thank you |
| 18:08.21 | valdyn | ralfWORK: looking at what you talk you might really want to read the manpages |
| 18:08.41 | gblack-do | then i have to hard reboot and it takes for frigging ever to fsck |
| 18:08.43 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: Again, as I said before -- see "hostname" (this implies 'man hostname'). |
| 18:08.48 | gblack-do | pita |
| 18:09.01 | ralfWORK | valdyn: I know how /etc/hosts works. I'm more interested in seeing how other people deal with this |
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| 18:09.08 | valdyn | ralfWORK: in fact, the first 4 lines of each |
| 18:09.10 | ralfWORK | which is something a man page cannot help |
| 18:09.12 | ralfWORK | but ok |
| 18:09.13 | RichiH | ralfWORK: :) |
| 18:09.22 | gblack-do | for-friggin-ever |
| 18:09.27 | caphuso | mirak: funny... what did you break? |
| 18:09.29 | EdibleText | gblack-do, can you ssh into the box and restart the wm? |
| 18:09.29 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: You're confused, I think. Either that, or you're not explaining yourself properly. |
| 18:09.37 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: must be the latter |
| 18:09.38 | thomas_adam | ls M-? works here. |
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| 18:09.46 | Garp | hi. |
| 18:09.47 | gblack-do | EdibleText not on a network |
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| 18:09.50 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: No comment. |
| 18:09.53 | ralfWORK | :P |
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| 18:10.04 | EdibleText | gblack-do, unfortunate |
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| 18:10.13 | gblack-do | EdibleText can't change virtual console desktops |
| 18:10.20 | mirak | caphuso: don't know. I have azerty keyboard |
| 18:10.23 | Garp | Question (about GNU tools): I'm trying to use autoconf/automake with c++ files that have the extension "cpp". What is the easiest solution to have them handled properly ? (As if they were .cc) ? Thanks. |
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| 18:10.50 | EdibleText | gblack-do, cuz yer kb is locked.. but X has locked on me. the ssh restart X trick gets you loose |
| 18:10.51 | mirak | caphuso: we must use "shift"+"," to obtain "?" |
| 18:10.51 | thomas_adam | Garp: rename the files? :P |
| 18:11.01 | caphuso | mirak: and...? |
| 18:11.03 | Garp | thomas_adam : I cant. |
| 18:11.03 | gblack-do | EdibleText any top of the head ideas why both keyboard and mouse would freeze, only using wmaker not kde/gnome |
| 18:11.07 | ralfWORK | seems that I've had debian slap my hostname in /etc/hosts before |
| 18:11.12 | mirak | caphuso: what must you use ? |
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| 18:11.17 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: Nope. |
| 18:11.21 | Garp | thomas_adam : I'm doing it for another project than mine. |
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| 18:11.33 | thomas_adam | Garp: Right. |
| 18:11.37 | Garp | thomas_adam : any other non trivial answer ? |
| 18:11.46 | caphuso | mirak: it absolutely doesn't matter, as long as you type in either <meta>+<?> or <escape>, <?> |
| 18:12.05 | mirak | caphuso: you use azerty or qwerty ? |
| 18:12.26 | mirak | just a question |
| 18:12.39 | EdibleText | gblack-do, I have locked X when using porgrams like vmware and certain games with 3d acceration |
| 18:12.57 | caphuso | mirak: which of my keyboards do you mean? |
| 18:12.59 | ralfWORK | thomas_adam: thank you for your help |
| 18:13.05 | ralfWORK | (no sarcasm in that) |
| 18:13.05 | thomas_adam | ralfWORK: Pleasure. |
| 18:13.09 | EdibleText | gblack-do, usually im switching cosoles at the same time |
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| 18:13.25 | thomas_adam | Garp: As in #c++ |
| 18:13.38 | mirak | caphuso: yes |
| 18:13.39 | tarzeau | why does zsh not save its history? how do i tell it to? what should i set RCS to? |
| 18:13.49 | Garp | thomas_adam : ok i try |
| 18:13.56 | gblack-do | EdibleText thx anyway later |
| 18:13.56 | Garp | see ya here :) |
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| 18:14.08 | caphuso | tarzeau: because you haven't read the user guide. read the user guide. nothing |
| 18:14.25 | thomas_adam | Garp: No. I'm only ever in #c, if anywhere. |
| 18:14.57 | tarzeau | caphuso: okay |
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| 18:16.07 | caphuso | dpkg: zsh is also postpone questions until finishing http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 18:16.07 | dpkg | caphuso: okay |
| 18:16.31 | Jeroen_ | Anyone that knows ways to make periodic back ups of your whole system in Linux? |
| 18:16.54 | greycat | Jeroen_: lots of them, every single one customized to the system in question. |
| 18:16.59 | Jeroen_ | OK |
| 18:17.02 | Delph | Jeroen_: a combination of 'cp' 'tar', 'gzip' and 'scp' tend to be used. |
| 18:17.07 | greycat | Jeroen_: tar, cpio, dump/restore, mkisofs, ... |
| 18:17.08 | Jeroen_ | I haven't done much research on it. |
| 18:17.13 | tarzeau | caphuso: omg it's not packaged for debian , zsh user guide? |
| 18:17.16 | Jeroen_ | But for whole partitions, right? |
| 18:17.17 | EdibleText | Joersch, rsync |
| 18:17.25 | caphuso | tarzeau: http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Guide/ |
| 18:17.26 | Jeroen_ | And then write them on a HDD on another computer. |
| 18:17.29 | Jeroen_ | OK, thanks. |
| 18:17.29 | thomas_adam | tarzeau: It's trivial to find on the 'net. |
| 18:17.32 | tarzeau | caphuso: i know i found that myself |
| 18:17.46 | ctrlaltdel | window /back |
| 18:17.46 | tarzeau | thomas_adam: not always do i have the 'net. |
| 18:17.55 | EdibleText | !autocomplete smite EdibleText |
| 18:18.00 | ctrlaltdel | yeah i've seen my friend do about every xbox version |
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| 18:18.00 | thomas_adam | Ah, damn fisherman. |
| 18:18.10 | Squirrel | Error opening ../data/default_pref |
| 18:18.10 | ctrlaltdel | he did a 1.0 this weekend and a 1.6 last weekend |
| 18:18.10 | Squirrel | Default preference file not found or not readable! |
| 18:18.10 | Squirrel | Please contact your system administrator and report this error. |
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| 18:18.22 | Squirrel | whats happend with it ? |
| 18:18.24 | Squirrel | :( |
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| 18:19.25 | Jenns | grrrr, this sound chipset is my arch enemy |
| 18:19.54 | Squirrel | in squirrelmail when i login in ERROR |
| 18:20.04 | Squirrel | Error opening ../data/default_pref |
| 18:20.04 | Squirrel | Default preference file not found or not readable! |
| 18:20.04 | Squirrel | Please contact your system administrator and report this error. |
| 18:20.04 | Squirrel | Go to the login page |
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| 18:20.32 | greycat | 13:20 Channel Users Name |
| 18:20.32 | greycat | 13:20 #squirrelmail 26 http://www.squirrelmail.org Webmail for Nuts! |
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| 18:22.30 | Jenns | Is anyone here familar with the Crystal 4237B audio chipset? |
| 18:22.50 | Jenns | because after hours of googling I'm still not :-( |
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| 18:23.57 | quitte_ | Jenns do you want anything special or just make it work? |
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| 18:24.41 | Jenns | just make it work, |
| 18:24.50 | Jenns | recording would be nice as well |
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| 18:26.36 | quitte_ | Jenns that'S a laptop? |
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| 18:26.51 | Jenns | yup, a dell latitude cp |
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| 18:27.24 | quitte_ | Jenns ok. i assume that is not a pci card. do you know the dmas io ports and irq? |
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| 18:28.08 | quitte_ | Jenns i got a thinkpad 600 almost same chipset. should be the same driver |
| 18:28.13 | Jenns | nope, not a clue, information is sketchy at based |
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| 18:28.34 | peacemaker885 | exit |
| 18:28.40 | Jenns | yeah I've been reading a thinkpad guide but I've had little joy so far |
| 18:28.41 | quitte_ | Jenns no dos configuration utility? |
| 18:29.12 | Jenns | I get the feeling this notebook is about to run out of battery so excuse me if I disconnect all of a sudden |
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| 18:29.36 | Jenns | ummm, no, I'm pretty much stuck here with few resources |
| 18:29.49 | quitte_ | Jenns: ok. but you'll need to find out the config somehow, or set it. dos tool - windows - or bios |
| 18:29.58 | stew | Jenns: have you looked at linuxlaptops.org for yoru particular laptop? |
| 18:29.59 | Jenns | hrmmm |
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| 18:30.12 | Jenns | not yet stu, I'll take a look |
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| 18:31.41 | geppel | I have the following network setup at home. My DSL goes into my debian box which has two NIC's, with the second NIC i run a cable to my switch which then supplies the internet to the rest of my network. My question is that I want to be able to run a DNS server on my Debian box. The reason I want to set up a DNS server is so that the clients can type in their address bar mail or other names that I have chose and they will then be redirected to |
| 18:31.49 | geppel | or something else |
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| 18:32.07 | greycat | geppel: sure, very standard config. Just run a caching name resolver. |
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| 18:32.29 | geppel | greycat: cool, just wanted to make sure I was on the right track |
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| 18:32.40 | greycat | actually, sounds like you want caching *plus* local domain servers. BIND can certainly do that. |
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| 18:33.52 | abrotman | freak |
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| 18:33.56 | greycat | I've only ever used bind and djbdns, and I won't recommend djbware here. |
| 18:33.58 | lektron | when using apt-listbugs with apt-get, what does the bug status of "<done>" mean? |
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| 18:34.00 | geppel | i want my DNS to only resolve names I have given, and use my ISP DNS for everything else, well only if it is the case that a DNS takes a lot of resources |
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| 18:34.09 | geppel | greycat: ok |
| 18:34.13 | abrotman | lektron: probably resolved |
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| 18:34.37 | ctrlaltdel | so then setup your dns as a forwarder |
| 18:34.41 | ctrlaltdel | how many local ips do you have? |
| 18:34.48 | greycat | geppel: most people would just install bind and have it serve a few local domains and use the default root-name-server caching features for the rest. Fuck your ISP's servers; pretend they don't exist. You'll just get confused. |
| 18:34.50 | ctrlaltdel | you can set them in your dns and they will still resolve from there first |
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| 18:34.58 | Jenns | quitte: what did you do to get the crystal 4237b working in your situation? |
| 18:35.17 | nvz | well I am getting closer to figuring out this paste issue in OOo, might have to file a bug once I get it narrowed down. seems if you load a saved document, your paste functions in the edit menu are grayed out, but not when creating a new document |
| 18:35.43 | lektron | abrotman: if resolved, why does it still show up as a bug, when I have just the previous moment done "apt-get update"? Shouldn't it simply be no longer listed as a bug? |
| 18:35.44 | quitte | Jenns i used the dos utility and set the soundcard resources manually. then used pen and paper to remember them and gave the module the arguments. |
| 18:35.56 | abrotman | lektron: they don't get archived for about 15 days or so |
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| 18:36.04 | quitte | Jenns worked with both oss and alsa |
| 18:36.24 | greycat | quitte: was that in a 2.2.x kernel? |
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| 18:36.33 | khanman | hey do you guys use aptitude or one of the X-based apt frontends? |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | apt-get |
| 18:36.45 | gothtec | apt-get |
| 18:36.45 | greycat | khanman: no. |
| 18:36.48 | quitte | greycat no 2.6 |
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| 18:37.13 | greycat | quitte: why would you need to supply I/O and IRQ stuff to the drivers post-2.2.x? In-kernel isapnp should take care of it. |
| 18:37.27 | quitte | greycat it didn't |
| 18:37.31 | greycat | or is this not an ISA PnP card? |
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| 18:37.39 | lektron | abrotman, thanks. does that mean that if i go ahead and upgrade at that moment, i will be using a "fixed" package? Or, does it mean that I should wait until apt-listbug no shows the "<done>" status? |
| 18:37.47 | tarzeau | quitte: the lichtschranken quitte ? |
| 18:38.02 | khanman | greycat but apt-get doesnt keep track of all the auto-installed dependencies right? |
| 18:38.05 | quitte | greycat not really only way to change the resources was the dos tool |
| 18:38.05 | abrotman | lektron: perhaps you should say what the package is |
| 18:38.10 | quitte | tarzeau yup |
| 18:38.21 | quitte | tarzeau but i switched to wlan :) |
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| 18:38.38 | greycat | khanman: correct; it doesn't. |
| 18:38.50 | greycat | khanman: but we know how to purge all of GNOME, or all of KDE, or all of X. We even taught the bots. |
| 18:38.53 | greycat | !remove x |
| 18:38.54 | dpkg | remove xf4 is probably apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 18:38.58 | khanman | greycat and thats a good thing? |
| 18:38.58 | tarzeau | quitte: heh. i stay with cable as i still have alot of hardware that wlan doesn't exist for |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 18:38.59 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 18:39.07 | greycat | khanman: depends on what you want. |
| 18:39.09 | abrotman | which i still think is wrong because it leaves bits of Qt .. but oh well |
| 18:39.22 | greycat | you didn't ask for "purge qt". |
| 18:39.27 | quitte | tarzeau bridging solves that. |
| 18:39.32 | toresbe | puh |
| 18:39.38 | lektron | abrotman, most recent apt-get update/apt-get upgrade shows several (probably 7 or 8) bugs of various packages in the "done" status. I do not want to install any package that is not truly fixed. |
| 18:39.38 | toresbe | chkrootkit came out clean |
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| 18:39.55 | greycat | lektron: then turn off your computer *now*. |
| 18:40.06 | toresbe | greycat: :) |
| 18:40.08 | abrotman | lektron: if you're scared .. use the bugs.debian.org interface to check .. http://bugs.debian.org/<pkgname> |
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| 18:40.15 | greycat | there is no piece of software of any usable level of complexity that is bug-free. |
| 18:41.00 | r3v | ls |
| 18:41.07 | r3v | whoops.... my bad :) |
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| 18:41.32 | lektron | greycat: hehe, i guess i deserved that! I understand the concept. What i mean is that, i want to clearly understand the meaning of "done", as to whether the package I have just downloaded includes that fix, or whether it means, that in a few days, it will be included in a future update. |
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| 18:42.11 | dondelelcaro | lektron: done means that a package containing what the maintainer feels is the fix has been uploaded and processed by the archive software. |
| 18:42.33 | greycat | lektron: the changelog of the package will tell you what has been changed. |
| 18:42.50 | dondelelcaro | lektron: if you're running unstable, that means that you'll be able to upgrade to it within 24 hours. If you're running testing, then you'll have to wait until the version of the package with the fix propogates to testing. |
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| 18:44.01 | lektron | thanks, all. I'll wait a day or two, then try another update/upgrade cycle to see what has changed. I appreciate your assistance. |
| 18:44.24 | dondelelcaro | lektron: why bother? look at the changelogs online, and see what version you're upgrading to. |
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| 18:44.43 | dondelelcaro | lektron: visit packages.debian.org/<packagename> and be enlightened |
| 18:44.50 | sussudio | M-1: die |
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| 18:45.18 | lektron | dondelelcaro, thanks. I will indeed do so. I learn something new every time ! |
| 18:45.37 | lektron | lektron gone |
| 18:45.38 | EdibleText | what command did M-1 do? |
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| 18:46.19 | dondelelcaro | EdibleText: a notice. |
| 18:46.37 | EdibleText | dondelelcaro, oh |
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| 18:46.38 | greycat | EdibleText: spammer. |
| 18:47.22 | iSteve | ... |
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| 18:48.23 | Brutus | Bah, what was that thing to type to apt to get the nvidia/debian instructions? :P |
| 18:48.41 | grivell | dpkg, nvidia |
| 18:48.42 | dpkg | i heard nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 18:49.12 | Brutus | grivell, that you, it was actually nvidia debs I was looking for :) |
| 18:49.14 | Brutus | Thanks :) |
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| 18:53.24 | adjacent | i install bind from apt-get. do i need to manually create /etc/named.boot or does debian use something different? |
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| 18:54.37 | abrotman | wtf is /etc/named.boot? |
| 18:54.44 | greycat | old school BIND 4 file. |
| 18:54.53 | greycat | BIND 8+ uses named.conf now. |
| 18:55.17 | greycat | adjacent: look in /etc/bind/ |
| 18:55.25 | ctrlaltdel | the package will make the file |
| 18:55.30 | ctrlaltdel | its in etc/bin |
| 18:55.31 | ctrlaltdel | d |
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| 18:55.47 | adjacent | greycat: should i work with named.conf? looks like that is the replacement for named.boot |
| 18:55.55 | greycat | adjacent: you have some reading to do now :) |
| 18:56.35 | adjacent | greycat: yeh. i understand bind =) just havent set one up from scratch in a while. i think named.conf is what i need |
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| 18:57.00 | greycat | the good news is, the zone file syntax didn't change. just the main config file. |
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| 18:58.40 | Kayin | hi everybody |
| 18:58.42 | aficionado | Hi |
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| 18:59.05 | Kayin | I have some problem with exim |
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| 18:59.39 | Kayin | I can't run Exim, and I can't remove it fully |
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| 18:59.45 | Kayin | I would install postfix |
| 18:59.52 | greycat | what error do you get when you try to remove it? |
| 18:59.55 | aficionado | I am in the process of upgrading from woody to sid, everything has been downloaded and apt-get was in the process of installing and asking a few questions... but somehow I got disconnected (I was connected remotely). Is there anyway I can get that session back? |
| 18:59.57 | greycat | and what command are you typing? |
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| 19:00.14 | greycat | aficionado: only if you ran it in screen. |
| 19:00.16 | aficionado | I can still see the apt-get process running |
| 19:00.25 | aficionado | greycat: what do you mean? |
| 19:00.29 | greycat | then you didn't. |
| 19:00.30 | greycat | and you can't. |
| 19:00.33 | Delph | greycat: you really love screen, dont you. |
| 19:00.36 | aficionado | lol |
| 19:00.36 | greycat | kill it and pray. |
| 19:00.43 | Kayin | no error, but always waiting on "remove exim" |
| 19:00.52 | aficionado | I guess for later reference, how would I do that? |
| 19:00.53 | Kayin | I do apt-get remove exim |
| 19:01.07 | greycat | aficionado: type "screen", and then do stuff. Later, type "screen -x". |
| 19:01.08 | witless | any opinions on what the the best alternative to crystal reports is? |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | witless: hiring a secretary? |
| 19:01.47 | greycat | Kayin: you probably don't want to do that. Try "dpkg --remove --force-depends exim"... and read our FAQ. |
| 19:01.47 | spdf | A hot one too |
| 19:01.57 | greycat | spdf: not necessarily a good thing. |
| 19:01.59 | witless | i bet that's not the best alternative |
| 19:02.03 | WiFiTux | abrotman, you there? |
| 19:02.09 | aficionado | greycat: doesn't look like I have that installed, is that a separate package? |
| 19:02.09 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:02.11 | greycat | witless: define "best". |
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| 19:02.15 | abrotman | mostly |
| 19:02.21 | greycat | aficionado: yes |
| 19:02.22 | okmeufilho | debian eh superior ao slack? |
| 19:02.23 | spdf | I suppose it all depends on marital status.. |
| 19:02.31 | greycat | okmeufilho: oui, sí |
| 19:02.33 | abrotman | WiFiTux: what's up? |
| 19:02.35 | bwbettin | I keep an ssh connection open while at my office that connects to my apartment's server. I use screen to run some monitoring tools I wrote so that I can keep tabs on what's going on with my machine. Everything goes fine, but after a while the connection times out. I looked through /etc/ssh/sshd_config on my apartment's machine but don't see anything that sets the timeout time. "KeepAlive" is set to yes. How do I keep the ssh conne |
| 19:02.36 | bwbettin | ction from timing out? |
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| 19:02.50 | greycat | bwbettin: I use "ping -i 300 localhost" |
| 19:03.04 | witless | "open source wysiwyg report generator, which best fills the same role that crystal reports does in the proprietary world." |
| 19:03.11 | greycat | or anything else that emits output every 1-10 minutes |
| 19:03.16 | WiFiTux | abrotman, the first one is out. Dell 6000. |
| 19:03.58 | aficionado | cool, 'dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:04.03 | aficionado | and I am back =D |
| 19:04.09 | adjacent | greycat: heh. you were right =) bind9 is going to cause me to do some rading |
| 19:04.18 | bwbettin | greycat, good workaround. Wish they had a setting to keep the connections from timing out though. Thanks a bunch for the tip. |
| 19:04.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: ah .. i think i found it |
| 19:05.10 | greycat | bwbettin: the thing is, it's not ssh that times out. It's the NAT, usually. Or whatever other connection-tracking firewall you're going through. |
| 19:05.23 | greycat | sending some actual payload over the tunnel keeps it active. |
| 19:06.10 | bwbettin | greycat, I see, thanks for the explanation, and again for the ping idea. |
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| 19:09.19 | adjacent | zone "<em>intern.domain.com" { I see this in a config howto for bind9, whats <em> mean? |
| 19:09.54 | Delph | adjacent: i hope its not random html =:) |
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| 19:10.12 | adjacent | Delph: doesnt look like it |
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| 19:11.43 | aficionado | to upgrade from woody to sid do I just change the sources.list file to point to unstable or do I also need to do something else? |
| 19:12.45 | digital_ | no |
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| 19:13.00 | digital_ | that'sall u need (just change the sources.list file to point to unstable) |
| 19:13.08 | digital_ | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:13.12 | digital_ | and u got sid |
| 19:13.12 | joefso | hi, when I tried to open xconsole I get: Couldn't open console |
| 19:13.26 | takatumi | update as well |
| 19:13.27 | toresbe | is it MCSE or MSCE that is to be despised? |
| 19:13.34 | aficionado | digital_: cool, thanks. I guess now I got go fix some dependency :( |
| 19:13.38 | HiSPeed | joefso, stop udev |
| 19:13.51 | digital_ | hehe =) np :) |
| 19:13.53 | joefso | HiSPeed: why? |
| 19:14.04 | HiSPeed | joefso, it s part of what got fucked up |
| 19:14.16 | HiSPeed | in other words: /dev/pts/ is mounted but below the udev |
| 19:14.23 | HiSPeed | thus when udev is running => no new consoles |
| 19:14.23 | mrwill | what is the command to find the closest debian mirror? apt-*? |
| 19:14.39 | takatumi | mrwill: spy |
| 19:15.04 | mrwill | takatumi: thanks |
| 19:15.05 | greycat | mrwill: "oberlin.net" sounds American. If that's the case, use http.us.debian.org. |
| 19:15.59 | joefso | HiSPeed: I did stop it. and it still doesn't work! And I'm talking about xconsole. ;-) |
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| 19:16.13 | HiSPeed | joefso, i m talking about any console tool |
| 19:16.13 | HiSPeed | ;) |
| 19:16.17 | khanman | greycat: i like screen :) very nice indeed |
| 19:16.20 | HiSPeed | s/tool/app/ |
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| 19:16.25 | joefso | hmm |
| 19:16.35 | mrwill | greycat: you are correct, but that mirror is not the only one in America. still, if this means I can avoid work, I'll probably just do it. |
| 19:16.36 | paulswm | toresbe: both, MCSE is Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer, I think MSCE is also used for Microsoft Certified Engineer, so if you despise both you have it covered |
| 19:16.47 | joefso | how come this still doesn't work HiSPeed , i got the same error message. And is this bug(?) already know? |
| 19:16.48 | toresbe | paulswm: aha |
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| 19:17.02 | HiSPeed | joefso, strace -ff your xconsole.. check logs.. etc. |
| 19:17.45 | paulswm | toresbe: nice to see you, hope the ancient hardware is holding up |
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| 19:18.02 | joefso | HiSPeed: root@debian:~# strace -ff /dev/xconsole |
| 19:18.02 | joefso | execve("/dev/xconsole", ["/dev/xconsole"], [/* 29 vars */]) = 0 |
| 19:18.02 | joefso | strace: exec: Permission denied |
| 19:18.06 | toresbe | paulswm: it is, most definately :) |
| 19:18.08 | mrwill | greycat: I just had one of those terribly obvious revelations -- yes, I'm in America, no, the machine I want to update is not. I think I'll try apt-spy. |
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| 19:18.16 | HiSPeed | joefso, check perms on dev xconsole then |
| 19:18.18 | greycat | mrwill: ah. |
| 19:18.23 | joefso | HiSPeed: but as root??? |
| 19:18.32 | toresbe | paulswm: I was using it in the sentence "eh maed irc kulerz pruple - if taht's not 13337, then i'm not ann MCSE" |
| 19:18.35 | joefso | HiSPeed: it said permission denied as root? |
| 19:18.45 | joefso | HiSPeed: I thought you where takling about _all_ consoles. |
| 19:19.08 | HiSPeed | every pty* device only allows one connect to it |
| 19:19.10 | HiSPeed | for example |
| 19:19.13 | HiSPeed | (kernel-wise) |
| 19:19.17 | paulswm | toresbe: heh, that's going to take me a few mins to decipher, I don't speek l33t |
| 19:19.23 | joefso | are you sure xconsole is a pty? |
| 19:19.25 | joefso | ;) |
| 19:19.25 | HiSPeed | so i m figuring something is using your xconsoel |
| 19:19.41 | paulswm | toresbe: OK, got it, very funny :) |
| 19:20.04 | toresbe | paulswm: "he made IRC colours go purple, (referring to the notice spammer M-1 a minute ago), if that's not 1337, then I'm no MCSE" |
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| 19:20.13 | toresbe | paulswm: oh :P |
| 19:20.52 | xpato | hi |
| 19:20.53 | paulswm | toresbe: "My dream was to be an MCSE, and now I are one" |
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| 19:21.11 | toresbe | paulswm: heh |
| 19:21.19 | Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.24 | xpato | i have a .tar.gz file, whe i try to decompress it i get: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated |
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| 19:21.33 | toresbe | paulswm: "Two days ago I couldn't even spell MCSE, now I are one!" |
| 19:21.42 | joefso | HiSPeed: it's not a bug. not related to udev either, xconsole isn't a pty either according to my info :), xconsole -file /dev/xconsole does the magic. |
| 19:21.42 | paulswm | toresbe: haha |
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| 19:21.44 | Delph | xpato: probably not a valid gz'd tar file, then. |
| 19:22.08 | xpato | Delph, it is, i can decompress some files, but not all |
| 19:22.20 | paulswm | xpato: what does 'file <your gz file>' say |
| 19:22.29 | HiSPeed | joefso, hehe well then it s just not compiled correctly (or dev-xconsole isnt where xconsole thinks it should be.. with udev and default devices) |
| 19:22.35 | Delph | xpato: but its *this* file you can't decompress; hence its probably this file thats the problem. |
| 19:22.38 | toresbe | ...MCSEs |
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| 19:23.43 | toresbe | paulswm: Let's hope the cops don't find their bodies |
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| 19:24.12 | xpato | paulswm, gzip compressed data, from Unix |
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| 19:24.28 | paulswm | toresbe: Friends help friends move. Real friends help friends move bodies." |
| 19:24.42 | xpato | the compresed .tar.gz its about 12G, can this be a problem? |
| 19:24.59 | paulswm | xpato: what's the exact command you're using to unzip it |
| 19:25.02 | toresbe | paulswm: heehee :) |
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| 19:25.13 | Hellmark | quick question, I have a server here (300mhz PII Klamath, 128mb ram), and I am doing some of my routine updates to it, and concidering updating the kernel as well |
| 19:25.14 | toresbe | paulswm: Have I told you about my sexy new terminal? |
| 19:25.21 | Hellmark | its got 2.4.22 on it right now |
| 19:25.40 | paulswm | toresbe: no, the last I heard you were at a wobbly VT which stopped wobbling |
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| 19:25.47 | toresbe | Hellmark: Well, the answer is no |
| 19:25.52 | toresbe | paulswm: right |
| 19:25.58 | xpato | paulswm, tar zxf file.tar.gz |
| 19:25.58 | EdibleText | Hellmark, is it in production awrrubf, er setting |
| 19:26.01 | Hellmark | should I stick with 2.4, and just update to the latest release of that, or jump to 2.6 |
| 19:26.01 | toresbe | paulswm: I got seasick! :| |
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| 19:26.33 | toresbe | paulswm: Now I got this eleet light-thing-thingie |
| 19:26.41 | directhex | Hellmark, up to you, but 2.4.22 is insecure |
| 19:26.49 | mrwill | Hellmark: do you have a specific reason to go to 2.6? |
| 19:26.53 | Hellmark | direct, I know, thats why I want to get rid of it |
| 19:26.56 | dud | im just wondering... has anyone ever managed to build a custom Linux From Scratch GNU/Linux, and making apt-get work with the alioth repositories afterwards? |
| 19:27.05 | Hellmark | but I didnt know if there was any recommendations for which kernel I should use |
| 19:27.15 | dud | or, even with normal 32bit sid/sarge? |
| 19:27.20 | mrwill | dud: someone might have, but that is not the usual way to do things. |
| 19:27.21 | Hellmark | I use 2.6 on my workstations, but they are alot faster |
| 19:27.24 | toresbe | paulswm: It's three plug-in relays between the socket and the plug of whatever appliance |
| 19:27.27 | paulswm | xpato: try this to verify the format: gzip -tv file.tar.gz |
| 19:27.31 | toresbe | paulswm: And an RF remote! |
| 19:27.43 | toresbe | paulswm: Now I can turn on and off stuff! :D |
| 19:27.47 | Hellmark | Arw, no, I just want something more secure than 2.4.22 |
| 19:27.49 | dud | mrwill, im just sitting here drooling a bit thinking about the possible optimization |
| 19:27.57 | directhex | dud, don't. |
| 19:28.00 | mrwill | dud: why? it wouldn't be that great. |
| 19:28.08 | paulswm | toresbe: that is cool, if there's a pic posted anywhere, I'd like to see it |
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| 19:28.26 | ludi | hello, cups printing not working in sarge. is this a known problem? |
| 19:28.28 | directhex | dud, clever optimisation is a myth |
| 19:28.29 | dud | it wouldnt? |
| 19:28.50 | dud | hmm |
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| 19:29.24 | toresbe | paulswm: Hook it up to a turntable motor |
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| 19:29.29 | toresbe | paulswm: hilarity ensues ;O |
| 19:29.32 | toresbe | :P* |
| 19:29.34 | paulswm | dud: if you ant to do it just for grins, go ahead, sometimes it's just fun to do stuff to see if you can |
| 19:29.39 | paulswm | s/ant/want/ |
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| 19:29.50 | directhex | i spent today playing with gcc optimisations on some trivial code. the end result was 'use -O2, and leave it at that' |
| 19:29.54 | maziarz | Does anyone know how to use the ca-certificates package? there is very little documentation that I was able to find. |
| 19:30.11 | xpato | paulswm, running.... |
| 19:30.17 | dud | you might be right... but a few applications get a real noticable performance gain when compiled from source |
| 19:30.36 | dud | stuff like, transcode, mplayer and other heavy cpu users |
| 19:30.57 | paulswm | toresbe: you are completly nuts, and I mean that in a complimentary way, shame I am too far away to see your computer stuff |
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| 19:31.52 | paulswm | '/me wonders if anyone has a spare PDP11 or VAX 11/780 they'd like to donate |
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| 19:32.36 | zack | is there a preferred way to change how much gets logged to the console? |
| 19:32.41 | mrwill | if I just want one package from sarge, what is the syntax in sources.list? I know how to do it with backports, but I guess this is different. And no, it doesn't have dependencies that will upgrade me to sarge anyway. |
| 19:32.54 | toresbe | paulswm: You better have threephase for thy VAX |
| 19:32.55 | mrwill | zack: sure, you can configure syslog |
| 19:33.03 | dud | i am seriously considering making a custom GNU/Linux by accordance to the LFS book on this semi-old spare-parts pc |
| 19:33.12 | ludi | is there anything special I need to do to get a network samba printer working with cups? |
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| 19:33.15 | zack | mrwill: what's the best way? syslog.conf is gibberish, and the manpage doesn't help much |
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| 19:33.24 | paulswm | xpato: I was wondering if the gzip test might tell you what is wrong, maybe it'll work OK, though, in which case you can gunzip and then pipe it to 'tar xf -' |
| 19:33.50 | dud | if i buy two of those cheap realtek 8169 cards, i can use it as a nice combined firewall/webserver/ftpserver |
| 19:33.56 | mrwill | zack: maybe there are docs in /usr/share/doc/syslog or something. |
| 19:34.12 | dud | they sell for around $10 brand new over here heh... |
| 19:34.15 | mrwill | zack: there is good documentation for syslog somewhere. |
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| 19:34.30 | mrwill | dud: that is because they are the crummiest network card there is. |
| 19:34.35 | zack | mrwill: there's a readme in /usr/share/doc/sysklogd, i'll check it out |
| 19:34.37 | paulswm | xpato: as in 'gunzip -c file.tar.gz|tar xf -' |
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| 19:34.55 | EdibleText | dud, sounds steep. |
| 19:34.58 | zack | ugh. that's a changelog, really |
| 19:35.01 | dud | mrwill, dont you think I know :D but for a very low-fi webserver/firewall it doesnt matter |
| 19:35.11 | mrwill | dud: true enough. |
| 19:35.17 | paulswm | toresbe: I'll be delighted to worry about that if someone suddenly ships me one |
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| 19:35.39 | lonebear | shuttle mb/system question: there are 4 Socket A systems, do they all work under Debian? |
| 19:35.47 | dud | no matter how crap an ethernet card is, it'll still have crc verification... so the transmission itself will be valid |
| 19:35.54 | dud | albeit slow and unstable.... |
| 19:35.56 | toresbe | paulswm: Seriously, if you want old gear, subscribe to cctalk or cctech |
| 19:36.09 | PlanarPlatypus|T | lonebear: probably, epends how new and what hardware |
| 19:36.18 | toresbe | paulswm: crazy stuff regularily surfaces in US/UK |
| 19:36.23 | paulswm | toresbe: I will note that and may do it, thanks |
| 19:36.25 | PlanarPlatypus|T | also depends on what you define as working.... |
| 19:36.34 | xyz | my laptop freezes occasionaly in X, nothing works, I have to ssh to reboot the damn thing. using debian Sarge with 2.6.10. Does this problem come with the mobile ati graphic card? |
| 19:36.38 | toresbe | paulswm: PDP-11s for pickups are not uncommon |
| 19:36.41 | zack | grr. all i want is to change the log level from 7 to maybe 4 or 3. syslog.conf doesn't help there. |
| 19:36.42 | lonebear | Planar: fully working. |
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| 19:36.51 | Kralizec | hi |
| 19:37.04 | mrwill | zack: are you sure? that ought to be where you do it, iirc. |
| 19:37.04 | dud | xyz, ati linux drivers are known to be less-than perfect arent i right? ;) |
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| 19:37.11 | Kralizec | does anybody know if there's some issue with bash / xmalloc? |
| 19:37.16 | lonebear | Planar: some have sata, some have tv out, eet |
| 19:37.18 | lonebear | etc |
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| 19:37.23 | toresbe | Kralizec: BTS does |
| 19:37.25 | zack | mrwill: well i can't find the rule that logs to the console there |
| 19:37.33 | lmello | does anyone here use mpich with debian sarge |
| 19:37.34 | lmello | ? |
| 19:37.57 | ludi | is there anything special I need to do to get a network samba printer working with cups? |
| 19:38.43 | dud | lonebear, mostly you have to worry about the main chipset for motherboards and linux compatibility |
| 19:38.55 | Kralizec | toresbe: I only found a closed bug |
| 19:39.07 | dud | any major chipsets as nvidia nForce and VIA will work 99% certain |
| 19:39.09 | lonebear | dud: where can i see a list, |
| 19:39.28 | paulswm | directhex: I just noticed your optimization comment. I'm using O3 on a lot of non-trivial code, but I'll try O2 based on your remark and test it out |
| 19:39.34 | lonebear | dud: or i can list them, (have the data sheets) |
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| 19:40.21 | mrwill | paulswm: this has been hashed and rehashed, the conclusion is that gcc is not a great optimizing compiler, it's a cross platform compiler. |
| 19:40.26 | dud | just dont flood us hehe... the main chipset is usually one of the first thing thats listed on the manufacturers internet site |
| 19:40.34 | xyz | dud: yes. but where do I get the mobile drivers from ATI? don't say their website because they direct you to the IBM site |
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| 19:40.57 | toresbe | Kralizec: Hm |
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| 19:41.23 | lonebear | i know what's on the MB, where on debian.org might i find if they are supported? |
| 19:41.29 | paulswm | mrwill: OK, well I guess I came in on the tail end of a conversation then. I agree with your remark, I end up doing quite a lot of hand optimization, like inlining |
| 19:41.33 | greycat | lonebear: it's a kernel issue, not a Debian one. |
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| 19:42.01 | lonebear | ah |
| 19:42.03 | hyksos | hi, is there a tool with which i can copy/export column x from a .mdb file (MS access) to column y in a postgresql db? |
| 19:42.13 | Kralizec | toresbe: I don't know if it's a bash bug (as it complains about bash and xmalloc), a vpopmail one, or even a libc one... |
| 19:42.13 | lonebear | then linux.org or kernel.org it is. |
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| 19:42.32 | test_ | I added "*.* /var/log/myfood.log" to my /etc/syslog.conf . But it doesn't log _everything_ like it supose to do, what did I do wrong? |
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| 19:42.46 | xyz | is there any one that knows if ipw2200 (mobile driver) can cause X to freeze? |
| 19:42.49 | lmello | i am having trouble with mpich |
| 19:43.06 | DaDy | can anyone help me with my new pvpgn server? |
| 19:43.09 | DaDy | plz |
| 19:43.24 | lmello | cluster01:~# mpicc |
| 19:43.24 | lmello | ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:98: undefined reference to `main' |
| 19:43.24 | lmello | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 19:43.33 | mrwill | paulswm: the conversation just now was not a long one, but the topic is a common one -- that's what I meant. if you are inlining assembly where needed, you probably beat gcc by a fair margin. |
| 19:43.57 | dud | lonebear, http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Hardware-HOWTO/ is a good place to start :) |
| 19:44.01 | greycat | test_: did you HUP syslogd? |
| 19:44.13 | greycat | test_: is that a TAB after the *.*, or a SPACE? |
| 19:44.25 | paulswm | mrwill: except when I do something dumb like trying to inline a recursive function :) |
| 19:44.53 | ludi | has anybody installed a clean copy of debian sarge and tested that printing to a network samba printer works? |
| 19:44.55 | test_ | greycat: i did /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart, and spaces I guess, why does that make a diffrence anyway? |
| 19:45.26 | greycat | it must be tabs. historical reasons. |
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| 19:45.30 | greycat | just like a Makefile... |
| 19:45.35 | greycat | and Xresources... |
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| 19:45.49 | mrwill | paulswm: you'd probably spend more time making that than you'd every save at runtime, but if you really like assembly... |
| 19:46.19 | mrwill | paulswm: s/every/ever/ |
| 19:47.22 | paulswm | mrwill: I inline C functions, not assembly ones, I am too old, tired and wise to write assembly code for fast CPUs :) |
| 19:47.29 | zlost1 | so like if i make a txt file with say mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 in it and save it to init.d then chmod it 777 and update-rc.d myfile defaults...debian will activate my file everytime i boot ? |
| 19:47.44 | toresbe | What country is proxad? |
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| 19:47.53 | toresbe | proxad.net in, sorry |
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| 19:48.10 | greycat | you WHAT? |
| 19:48.17 | toresbe | zlost1: Yes, but don't do that |
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| 19:48.31 | toresbe | zlost1: for the love of God do not do that :P |
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| 19:48.39 | greycat | 777 is NEVER the correct permissions. For ANYTHING. |
| 19:48.48 | zlost1 | its just an example |
| 19:48.52 | greycat | it's a piss-poor one. |
| 19:48.55 | lonebear | ok. i'm going to give up quickly...where can i find a list of supported chipsets? |
| 19:48.56 | toresbe | That too |
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| 19:49.03 | zlost1 | ok then what 755 |
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| 19:49.14 | paulswm | !abuse zlost1 |
| 19:49.14 | greycat | and it probably won't work without the shebang, either. |
| 19:49.14 | dpkg | zlost1: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 19:49.21 | greycat | always always always use #!/bin/sh on your scripts! |
| 19:49.22 | mrwill | paulswm: oh I see, in C you are going to have some trouble unrolling a deep-recursive loop. amusing conversation anyway. :) |
| 19:49.34 | EdibleText | toffee-nosed.. ouch |
| 19:49.37 | joefso | greycat: ok that worked. I'm using xconsole -f /var/log/thisiswhereeverythinggos.log, I only have one problem left, hte lines are to long! is there a way to wrap it? |
| 19:49.51 | paulswm | mrwill: nice talking to you, didn't mean to burn your valuable time |
| 19:50.01 | greycat | joefso: use "fold" during the log analysis, NOT during the logging. |
| 19:50.10 | greycat | joefso: or whatever it takes to parse them. |
| 19:50.18 | zlost1 | my point was update-rc.d would add anything i put in init.d...is that correct or not |
| 19:50.34 | paulswm | EdibleText: Monty Python, if you weren't aware, from the Argument Sketch, I believe |
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| 19:51.33 | dud | 777 === teh poooooooOOOO0000OOOOooo |
| 19:51.34 | zlost1 | also, is there a utility that is like top...but for kde / x ? |
| 19:51.37 | dud | or such ;o |
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| 19:51.49 | dud | xtop i believe |
| 19:51.58 | EdibleText | paulswm, I must've seen it. though I havnt watched the flying circus in about a decade |
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| 19:54.40 | dud | there's this record shop here in my city, where they have the complete flying circus dvd boxset exchibited... im so darn near to buying it every single time |
| 19:54.57 | dud | its just so frikkin expensive :/ |
| 19:55.51 | paulswm | mrwill: I'm not a big fan of deep recursion anyway, so some of that stuff I'm going to rewrite iteratively now I know it works, recursion and speed aren't exactly synonymous |
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| 19:56.23 | zlost1 | should i bothr worrying about a firewall ? |
| 19:56.29 | paulswm | EdibleText: one of my favourites, along with the Parrot and Travel Agent sketches |
| 19:56.30 | zlost1 | and av ? |
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| 19:57.23 | toresbe | night folk |
| 19:57.34 | paulswm | dud: a lot of it's really not that good anyway, IMO, a lot of dumb stuff interspersed with sketches of blinding genius |
| 19:57.34 | andax | i noticed that I can't change the permissions of /proc/cpuinfo. how can I limit that "file" so only root/uucp can access it? (i want it to be 660) |
| 19:57.42 | joefso | greycat: what do you mean by "fold" |
| 19:57.53 | mrwill | paulswm: right, tail recursion is equivalent to a loop anyhow, and a lot of the time you can change a function to be tail recursive. deep recursion isn't fast, but sometimes you need it to conceptualize the problem. |
| 19:58.36 | mrwill | paulswm: and sometimes there is no obvious tail recursive equivalent. |
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| 19:59.16 | paulswm | mrwill: exactly, test the concept with recursion then rewrite it, anyway, I come from the paper tape era and big stacks make me nervous :) |
| 19:59.22 | Sep`` | is it possible to have two mailservers at two locations, running postfix, with different accounts on each ? |
| 19:59.32 | Sep`` | but with the same domains on them |
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| 20:00.12 | mrwill | Sep``: the way you described it, no. |
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| 20:00.35 | racoontje | hi guys :-) |
| 20:01.03 | paulswm | toresbe: good night |
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| 20:01.18 | mrwill | Sep``: a domain is going to have an mx record, and can have more than one, but there is no way to force mail for different addresses on the same domain to be delivered to different servers, afaik. |
| 20:01.19 | TCW | sep, one could say... mailservers divede domains not users... but of course everything is possible, even those things that may not be very wise to do... |
| 20:01.37 | Sep`` | mrwill - ok, what about this |
| 20:01.39 | TCW | divide by domains... even |
| 20:01.48 | Delph | Sep``: or you could pay a shaft and a half for proper software that'll do it for you. |
| 20:01.56 | Sep`` | i have two mailservers, one is hosting a.com the other b.com |
| 20:01.59 | Delph | depends if you're doing it on a company level or on a personal level. |
| 20:02.13 | Sep`` | and i have email forwarded from domain a.com to domain b.com |
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| 20:02.36 | Sep`` | and then on my clients on b.com i make the client look like its sending out from a.com |
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| 20:02.46 | Sep`` | and whitelist a.com on b.com's mailserver |
| 20:03.02 | Sep`` | i know that's possible, but will it cause problems on other external mailservers ? |
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| 20:03.42 | mrwill | Sep``: you could try it, I don't think that problems would result, unless you were a spammer, in which case, nobody likes you. |
| 20:04.40 | paulswm | Sep``: if you do that with commercial email you might run afould of the law, certainly there are some US state laws which forbid the forging on headers on commercial emails |
| 20:04.49 | paulswm | s/afould/afoul/ |
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| 20:05.20 | dud | debian has SysV style init scripts doesnt it? |
| 20:05.32 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: the outbound MTA doesn't matter at all. All that matters is the From: record anyway. |
| 20:05.43 | dondelelcaro | s/record/header/ |
| 20:05.54 | dud | i cant remember which is which... only that slackware has the thing that debian doesnt have heh |
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| 20:05.57 | Sep`` | ok, let me explain the situation, so it doesn't sound like i'm a spammer |
| 20:06.13 | Sep`` | i apologise for the weak explanation to begin with |
| 20:06.18 | NetSoerfer | uh... can someone help me with mounting my ntfs-partitions...? |
| 20:06.18 | paulswm | dud: yesy, devian does |
| 20:06.29 | paulswm | dud: yes, debian does |
| 20:06.35 | dud | hehe |
| 20:06.38 | mrwill | Sep``: nah, I always accuse people wanting custom mail setups of being spammers, don't worry. |
| 20:06.45 | dondelelcaro | dud: debian has sysv style and rc-file style init scripts. You can choose whichever one you want. |
| 20:07.16 | Sep`` | we have a domain a.com which is hosted on Domino, (lotus notes) and we bought another company which has a second domain. We want to bring the new company onto our domain, BUT we can't merge them into Lotus notes, they need to keep their mailserver |
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| 20:07.36 | paulswm | !kill lotus notes |
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| 20:07.57 | Sep`` | so i was going to have them forge headers and pretend to be sending from our domain, but i didn't realize that is unethical |
| 20:08.06 | dud | dondelelcaro, i see |
| 20:08.11 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: there's no point to forging those headers. |
| 20:08.30 | Sep`` | how else can it be done ? |
| 20:08.31 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: and it wouldn't matter anyway, since people would see the reverse. |
| 20:08.50 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: there are two totally separate problems here 1) receiving mail 2) sending mail |
| 20:08.57 | mrwill | Sep``: it's not that unethical -- if the senders have a mailbox you can reply to, no one would care. |
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| 20:09.12 | Sep`` | receiving mail is not really a problem, we can create aliases on Domino to forward to the second domain |
| 20:09.16 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: the latter part, you just have the people set the From: headers appropriately. The actual MTA listed in the Recieve: header matters not. |
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| 20:09.51 | mrwill | Sep``: right, so now all you have to do is send emails that appear to be from those addresses, and I'd consider the problem solved. |
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| 20:10.22 | Sep`` | ok, i think i'm confused |
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| 20:10.37 | paulswm | mrwill: yesy but it may be illegal, Sep`` certainly needs to check with his company's legal department before messing with headers |
| 20:10.39 | Lusid | Does anyone have any experience installing Debian on a Dell PowerEdge 2650? |
| 20:10.55 | Sep`` | there's the Reply: email and the From: email address correct ? |
| 20:10.56 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: those statues are pretty much uneforceable anyway. |
| 20:11.04 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: those are both set by the client |
| 20:11.15 | racoontje | Hi guys. Gentooer looking for stable production system here. I'm just figuring out a few things I need before I can switch |
| 20:11.23 | Sep`` | and can external mail servers find out that we're falsifying them ? |
| 20:11.26 | racoontje | first of all, does debian have kernel source packages? |
| 20:11.32 | _rene_ | yes |
| 20:11.33 | racoontje | I like to compile my kernel myself |
| 20:11.33 | EdibleText | racoontje, yes |
| 20:11.39 | greycat | Sep``: define "falsifying". |
| 20:11.43 | racoontje | great :-) In the default apt source? |
| 20:11.45 | mrwill | paulswm: I guess, but I wouldn't worry too much about this setup, it's a question of 'modifying legitimately' versus 'forging.' |
| 20:11.45 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: my employer has just put the entire company through a course on commercial emails, they regard it as a potentially serious liability |
| 20:11.48 | dondelelcaro | racoontje: yes, and yes. Use make-kpkg; if you want. |
| 20:11.48 | _rene_ | yes |
| 20:11.49 | _rene_ | kernel-source-x.y.z |
| 20:11.50 | EdibleText | racoontje, yes |
| 20:11.55 | Sep`` | that's what i'm worried about, mailservers on the outside rejecting mail because they see us pretending to come from domain a.com when our accounts are from b.com |
| 20:11.56 | greycat | Sep``: and define why you think an MTA cares about the MUA's headers |
| 20:12.08 | takatumi | racoontje: http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:12.12 | mrwill | paulswm: guess you know a bit more about it than me, I haven't taken a course. |
| 20:12.17 | toresbe | Haha, Bill Gates is the goatse man :P |
| 20:12.17 | racoontje | also, reccomended dist for desktops is unstable/testing right? |
| 20:12.18 | Lusid | I can't get past the partitioning of the disk on the Dell PE 2650. It doesn't recognize the hardware raid. I think it needs aacraid or something like that, but I don't really know how to do any of that. |
| 20:12.18 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: oh, sure... but in this case, since Sep`` is representing both companies, he's not really falsifying them. |
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| 20:12.31 | toresbe | "Our software is not the only thing with BIG GAPING HOLES!" |
| 20:12.42 | EdibleText | !tell racoontje about kp |
| 20:12.52 | greycat | Sep``: anti-phishing user header validation ("From:") was a hot topic on the SPF mailing list about the time I unsubscribed due to the torrential flood of mail... |
| 20:13.07 | greycat | Sep``: but SPF itself only covers *envelope* headers (SMTP mail from) |
| 20:13.08 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: yes, but it won't do any harm in him spending a short time checking with legal, Just In Case (tm) |
| 20:13.10 | mrwill | Sep``: you asked about from: and reply-to:, yes, those are two separate headers and can be different, but probably shouldn't be for the setup you described. |
| 20:13.11 | dondelelcaro | Sep``: any MTA that is rejecting mail based on that is totally invalid. Worst case they use SPF |
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| 20:13.26 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: eh, never hurts to talk to legal... worst case you're just CYA. |
| 20:13.29 | ResQuad | Anyone know how to fix the following error in apt-get? : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/asterisk-sounds-main_1%3a1.0.2-2_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 20:13.29 | ResQuad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.43 | EdibleText | racoontje, unstable really insnt recommended. use at your own risk. testing is very usable |
| 20:13.47 | greycat | nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that *someone* out there is rejecting mail based on From: headers at SMTP time. It's a violation, but I'd expect someone is doing it. |
| 20:13.47 | xerophyte | anybody know good replacement for xterm? |
| 20:13.59 | greycat | xerophyte: rxvt, aterm |
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| 20:14.03 | dondelelcaro | ResQuad: that's a bug in either asterisk-sounds-main or asterisk-sounds. Check the bts and/or file a bug. |
| 20:14.03 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: exactly, then if the suits show up, the lawyer loses his job, not Sep`` |
| 20:14.03 | EdibleText | racoontje, that is not to say that unstable isnt usable |
| 20:14.12 | racoontje | EdibleText: it's just a bit frisky? |
| 20:14.14 | dondelelcaro | ResQuad: then dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/asterisk-sounds-main_1%3a1.0.2-2_all.deb |
| 20:14.33 | racoontje | EdibleText: I've used freebsd with everything from cvs, I'm doubting it'll do worse ;-) |
| 20:14.43 | EdibleText | racoontje, yes. and if thats sort of thing is your bag, baby. then yeaaah |
| 20:14.54 | racoontje | EdibleText: well, actually I have multiple machines |
| 20:15.13 | alexscott | plop |
| 20:15.21 | racoontje | EdibleText: one isn't going to be touched by anything until I have "anything" working 100% error-free(tm) for a year or so ;-) |
| 20:15.21 | EdibleText | racoontje, you can always dist upgrade to unstable if you choose. |
| 20:15.36 | ResQuad | dondelelcaro: aparently I have very unclean removal of asterisk and all related. Any way to nuke everything and make apt-get start over? |
| 20:15.41 | racoontje | EdibleText: well, I'm not really a debian noob, I've always done debootstrap stable --> go to unstable/testing |
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| 20:15.57 | dondelelcaro | ResQuad: you can just dpkg --purge asterisk; and friends... |
| 20:16.00 | racoontje | EdibleText: I've been out of debian for quite a while now, so I'm just checking. |
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| 20:16.16 | racoontje | EdibleText: back when make-kpkg was evil and unsupported. Don't ask. ;-) |
| 20:16.17 | EdibleText | racoontje, you know whats involved then.. |
| 20:16.22 | racoontje | EdibleText: pretty much |
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| 20:16.54 | racoontje | EdibleText: btw, when I say kernel sources package, I mean a package that installs source into /usr/src/linux, not something that makes a kernel deb from source I made |
| 20:16.58 | racoontje | right? |
| 20:17.03 | paulswm | racoontje: but if your sid breaks, you get to keep both pieces :) |
| 20:17.56 | EdibleText | racoontje, heh I would have to grep my memories to compile the old fashioned way. make-kpkg is my friend |
| 20:17.56 | racoontje | paulswm: heh, known paraphrase on gentoo. |
| 20:17.56 | greycat | racoontje: and we get to point and laugh. |
| 20:17.56 | racoontje | greycat: (!) |
| 20:17.56 | racoontje | greycat: hi greycat |
| 20:17.57 | paulswm | racoontje: sw it in a debian doc a long time ago, I think |
| 20:17.58 | racoontje | paulswm: errr... me no understand sentence. |
| 20:18.06 | greycat | I think I first saw that in reference to either a Linux kernel, or some commercal Unix |
| 20:18.06 | EdibleText | racoontje, yes to the last question |
| 20:18.07 | racoontje | paulswm: oh, that |
| 20:18.16 | paulswm | !confuse racoontje |
| 20:18.17 | dpkg | Yes, how is your snake tomorrow, racoontje? wellies of the monarchy of micronesia with extra ham |
| 20:18.19 | racoontje | greycat: yeah, that too |
| 20:18.27 | paulswm | heh |
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| 20:18.30 | azreal | what is the best way to handle things wanting access to /dev/rtc? |
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| 20:18.46 | greycat | again, define "best". |
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| 20:18.57 | EdibleText | racoontje, the kernel-source*bz2 installs to /usr/src |
| 20:19.00 | paulswm | azreal: read access hopefully |
| 20:19.09 | racoontje | greycat: it was with the first "unstable" kernel... "I've decided to change the "Just-Works"-quality label to "Hey-it-works-for-me" |
| 20:19.14 | azreal | greycat: easiest most logical solution will be fine |
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| 20:19.30 | racoontje | greycat: He means "reccomended" |
| 20:19.43 | azreal | i dont want to have to make tvtime suid, but i will if that will be the best way |
| 20:19.50 | racoontje | greycat: "least mental pain and suffering (and exposure to BASIC)" |
| 20:19.51 | greycat | azreal: easeist solution is to ignore the warnings from the ones that complain abuot not having it, and to uninstall the ones that die fatally without it. |
| 20:19.57 | test123 | hi whats the device name of the FDD in debian useually? |
| 20:20.02 | racoontje | that last thing is a redundancy |
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| 20:20.10 | EdibleText | test123, /dev/fd0 |
| 20:20.14 | racoontje | test123: /dev/fd[x] |
| 20:20.18 | racoontje | starting with 0 |
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| 20:20.26 | racoontje | has nothing to do with debian, just with the kernel, really |
| 20:20.31 | Lee__ | anyone here use captive-ntfs? |
| 20:20.32 | racoontje | Lee__: nethack? |
| 20:20.37 | racoontje | Lee__: oh, that. |
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| 20:20.44 | racoontje | Lee__: better make it asbestos. |
| 20:20.44 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 20:20.44 | azreal | greycat: hmm, ive been ignoreing it for some time |
| 20:20.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:20.56 | Lee__ | crap |
| 20:21.04 | lee | sometimes I wish irssi wasn't so 'smart' with the punctuation ignoring... |
| 20:21.13 | NetSoerfer | hi all... can anyone give me a quick howto on mounting ntfs-partitions (or point me to one)? i just managed to install debian, and i got absolutely *no* idea what to do next so i'd like to listen to some music ;) |
| 20:21.15 | racoontje | Lee__: better make it asbestos... death by lung > death by flame |
| 20:21.25 | paulswm | !kill Lee__ anyway |
| 20:21.31 | racoontje | NetSoerfer: no problem... make sure it's in your kernel though |
| 20:21.36 | racoontje | NetSoerfer: what kernel you got? |
| 20:21.38 | Lee__ | !defend Lee__ |
| 20:21.38 | greycat | NetSoerfer: mkdir /foo; mount /dev/hda1 /foo |
| 20:21.50 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:21.50 | racoontje | NetSoerfer: most likely it's probably just mount /dev/foo /mnt/bar |
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| 20:22.01 | NetSoerfer | what kernel...? |
| 20:22.06 | racoontje | NetSoerfer: uname -a |
| 20:22.07 | NetSoerfer | *blushes* |
| 20:22.09 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 20:22.09 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:22.16 | paulswm | Lee__: it's the way you asked the question, it was a poll |
| 20:22.17 | racoontje | NetSoerfer: kernel = your linux version |
| 20:22.39 | NetSoerfer | uh, pretty much newest sarge |
| 20:22.41 | racoontje | I'm not a debianite so I don't know if the default kernel image you rpobably have supports ntfs... porbably not, definately not ntfs-write support |
| 20:22.45 | NetSoerfer | 2.4.whatever |
| 20:22.50 | Lee__ | I'm used to the hostility in here |
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| 20:22.51 | greycat | sarge is the *debian* version |
| 20:23.05 | greycat | Lee__: then why did you ask the question poorly, if you're already familiar with this channel? |
| 20:23.06 | Lee__ | I'll try again. How are all of you liking captive-ntfs |
| 20:23.08 | racoontje | greycat: yeah, but that should give us a clue about the kernel ;-) |
| 20:23.16 | EdibleText | racoontje, i parsed that as Debinazi |
| 20:23.18 | zlost1 | i got a question about substitution apt sources. if i have "htp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/debian woody main non-free" in my sources.list and i want to keep whatever it was trying to grab and i simply substitute ftp://ftp.debian.prg or do i have to type out the entire path to woody/main/nonfree ? |
| 20:23.39 | racoontje | NetSoerfer: 2.4.something... 2.4.1 <-> 2.4.26 is a several-year difference |
| 20:23.46 | Lee__ | anyone lost data from using captive-ntfs? |
| 20:23.50 | greycat | zlost1: treat each line as atomic, if you can. |
| 20:24.09 | NetSoerfer | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 20:24.10 | racoontje | for those electro lovers out there, the soon-to-be-released (25/1/04) chemical brothers album = pretty nice. |
| 20:24.19 | bwbettin | greycat, that ping tip you gave me is working great. |
| 20:24.26 | zlost1 | atomic , as in volitile ? |
| 20:24.28 | EdibleText | which means I have to put my hands infront of me and step away from the keyboard |
| 20:24.29 | racoontje | if you have -5day warez. |
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| 20:24.44 | valdyn | !tell Lee__ about polls |
| 20:24.46 | racoontje | anyway my current stable box is stable... and gentoo. |
| 20:24.46 | greycat | zlost1: atomic, as in "it's one unit, a black box, don't poke around inside it" |
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| 20:25.12 | Lee__ | it's made of titanium |
| 20:25.17 | Lee__ | gift from Apple |
| 20:25.18 | racoontje | In fact, I've tried ricer cflags... they can make a difference, sometimes. in those cases I'll be using cvs anyway so :-) call me unpure but I used it and I have no regrets |
| 20:25.27 | NetSoerfer | racoontje: 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 20:25.33 | racoontje | oh wait, important piece of sentence missing. |
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| 20:25.35 | Lee__ | gotcha on the polls thing |
| 20:25.36 | racoontje | IN SOME CASES |
| 20:25.41 | racoontje | (ie, mplayer) |
| 20:25.45 | sussudio | like most apple gifts, it will fit neatly up your bum |
| 20:25.47 | zlost1 | i could prolly get away with simply commenting the bad server with # ? |
| 20:25.52 | paulswm | hahaha |
| 20:26.06 | racoontje | Lee__: haha captive-ntfs rofl. |
| 20:26.13 | greycat | Lee__: it must be lonely overthere in captivity. |
| 20:26.22 | racoontje | * this would be the laughing and pointing your were warned about * |
| 20:26.24 | Lee__ | guess so |
| 20:26.25 | greycat | you should join us in the land of Freedom. |
| 20:26.37 | Lee__ | I'm alreadyt in the land of freedom, my co-workers aren't |
| 20:26.39 | Fosten | hi, apt-get installed mozilla-firefox and mozilla-thunderbird, but neither app will open... Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display... do i need a gtk lib and if so which one? thanks |
| 20:26.47 | paulswm | oh, good answer |
| 20:26.53 | racoontje | in the land of the freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEAAAAAAAAA [glass bling] AAAAAA [more bling] |
| 20:27.00 | racoontje | Cough. |
| 20:27.02 | greycat | Fosten: run them in X. As you. Not as root. |
| 20:27.03 | mith | how exactly would I go about build a package exactly like kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 using the 2.6.8-12 source instead of -10 ? |
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| 20:27.26 | zlost1 | eh i cocded a web site with a standard html layer...firefox wont show it |
| 20:27.27 | Fosten | greycat: when i do, they load but fail to open |
| 20:27.28 | greycat | mith: copy /boot/config-whatever to .config |
| 20:27.29 | mith | I just want to upgrade the shit, but that build hasn't been upgraded, apparently |
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| 20:27.36 | NetSoerfer | racoontje: i just tried, tells me "error while guessing filesystem type" |
| 20:27.41 | valdyn | Lee__: google can give you 1000 of opinions about captive-ntfs im sure, you dont need to ask here |
| 20:27.47 | greycat | Fosten: no, you're doing something wrong. |
| 20:27.48 | arzajac | Would some one help me with a pppoe problem? I was able to connect a few times. I started getting pado packet errors on connection. Now I cannot connect at all from that box. Any ideas? |
| 20:27.51 | justin | greycat: there is a bug with something in mozilla.. xhost + ; mozilla ; xhost - once fixes it, haven't bothered to figure it out further |
| 20:28.14 | justin | !+bug 272929 |
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| 20:28.20 | Lee__ | yuck, you all are gross, but sometimes helpful. thank you. |
| 20:28.34 | mith | greycat: so just copy /boot/config<whatever> to .config and use the kpkg stuff to build the kernel/modules/initrd? |
| 20:28.38 | greycat | Lee__: I think we answered your original poll question, though. |
| 20:28.45 | Lee__ | yup. you did. |
| 20:28.46 | ResQuad2 | dondelelcaro: thanks. All fixed |
| 20:28.47 | justin | Fosten: bugs.debian.org/272929 |
| 20:28.48 | Fosten | greycat: hmm, all i did was apt-get and click the link... i had the same problem on a debian box a month ago and just gave up and installed the whole mozilla suite |
| 20:28.49 | greycat | mith: yeah |
| 20:29.03 | greycat | "click the link".... oy. |
| 20:29.09 | paulswm | Lee__: we'd help if we could, of course |
| 20:29.09 | racoontje | make-kpkg looks nice. |
| 20:29.15 | dud | debian wont go ballistic on me if i prefer to lock the root password and use sudo will it? |
| 20:29.27 | xerophyte | does anybody use multi-gnome-terminal?? |
| 20:29.31 | greycat | dud: no, it won't |
| 20:29.32 | racoontje | I like Openbox and Pypanel, but I'm not going to bother checking if they're in there ;-) |
| 20:29.33 | Lee__ | I take it many of the core devs don't bother with ntfs anything. |
| 20:29.37 | dud | i've verified sudo to work and all, so in theory it'll be sweet and cuddly |
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| 20:30.01 | dud | the only this about sudo is its arse lisence |
| 20:30.03 | Lee__ | although the lufs stuff is in apt |
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| 20:30.08 | De_Mon | what does 'locking the root pw' do? |
| 20:30.09 | dud | license... not sure what to make of it |
| 20:30.09 | racoontje | dud: uh? |
| 20:30.19 | greycat | De_Mon: making it impossible to authenticate as root by password |
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| 20:30.27 | Delph | De_Mon: well, set the root password hash to an a value that can't be hashed to. |
| 20:30.35 | racoontje | oh yeah, it's custom |
| 20:30.40 | racoontje | what does sudo license do anyway? |
| 20:30.46 | De_Mon | oh, so how would someone get root then? |
| 20:30.47 | valdyn | Lee__: its in "apt" as you call it |
| 20:30.49 | racoontje | "my code is free but dont steal it"? |
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| 20:31.03 | dud | well, sudo is free... |
| 20:31.04 | Lee__ | valdyn: what do you call it? |
| 20:31.06 | adjacent | i currently have a name server and a secondary server hosted by public-dns.net, i am moving away from public-dns.net and need to know if i will be ok with a master and a slave server, or if i should have a secondary setup somewhere. |
| 20:31.11 | dud | but not free as in libré hehe |
| 20:31.17 | test9292 | hi what is the default name of the FDD in debian? |
| 20:31.18 | greycat | looks like a BSD style variant to me. |
| 20:31.19 | adjacent | the nameservers are heavily used, btw |
| 20:31.34 | Cabbage | test9292: /dev/fd0 |
| 20:31.37 | EdibleText | test9292, this is not #twilght-zone |
| 20:31.38 | valdyn | Lee__: in debian, or in debian sid |
| 20:31.39 | test9292 | ty |
| 20:31.53 | greycat | basically old-style BSD plus "if you modify it, you must call it something other than Sudo" |
| 20:31.57 | Lee__ | right. in debian sarge, accessed by apt. |
| 20:32.05 | sepski | adjacent, a master and a slave and keep them as far away from eatchoter as possible, both geograficaly and network wise and you should be ok |
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| 20:32.26 | Cabbage | sepski> obviously that would depend on the level of traffic |
| 20:32.36 | adjacent | sepski: thanks. |
| 20:33.01 | paulswm | first test123 and then test9292 asking about FDD, there's something weird going on here |
| 20:33.11 | EdibleText | paulswm, same user... |
| 20:33.28 | adjacent | Cabbage: heavy use |
| 20:33.29 | greycat | same cluelessness... |
| 20:33.34 | valdyn | Lee__: its even in sarge |
| 20:33.39 | adjacent | Cabbage: 100+ users |
| 20:33.50 | Cabbage | adjacent> how many queries per second? |
| 20:33.55 | EdibleText | I had to make sure _I_ wasnt crazy, so i checked the buffer |
| 20:34.15 | racoontje | This will probably be percieved as me being a lazy bastard, but could anyone gimme a packagename that installs kernel sources? |
| 20:34.24 | sepski | Cabbage, he only have 2 now also so i guess it's enoughf, besides dns isn't exactly the heavisest aplication in the world |
| 20:34.25 | greycat | kernel-source-foobar |
| 20:34.26 | adjacent | Cabbage: im not running bindgraph or monitoring with rrdtool, but they are setup on all my customers |
| 20:34.45 | Delph | racoontje: "apt-cache search kernel" might be useful |
| 20:34.47 | mrwill | racoontje: there are lots, you must know the version of your kernel. |
| 20:34.48 | Cabbage | sepski> true, bandwidth is likely to be a problem first |
| 20:34.52 | Delph | its not that hard ffs. |
| 20:35.04 | greycat | "apt-cache search kernel source" would be better. |
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| 20:35.39 | simonrvn | sepski: it is when you have zombies trying to find where home is, and they think your name server is the main site for finding home |
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| 20:36.00 | sepski | adjacent, im running about 200 users on a p120 wirg 512 MB ram and it's almost 0.02 load adn 10% cpu it's not a problem |
| 20:36.05 | greycat | host BRAAAAAAINS.simonrvn.net |
| 20:36.08 | EdibleText | paulswm, titanium reacts to NaCl? |
| 20:36.18 | Delph | EdibleText: i hope not. |
| 20:36.19 | sepski | simonrvn, use the shotgun! it's the way to treat zombies |
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| 20:36.20 | EdibleText | paulswm, or to besure its not iron |
| 20:36.24 | paulswm | EdibleText: well iron does, it rusts |
| 20:36.34 | simonrvn | sepski: dude, i wish i could :) |
| 20:36.56 | EdibleText | Delph, my thoughts exactly |
| 20:36.59 | adjacent | sepski: yeh. ive got a pair of p350's im building to run my head end services. hopefully they get overloaded quickly and i can put in an order for some x-series! |
| 20:37.01 | sepski | simonrvn, what kind of zombi are you talkingg about even that loads a dns server like that ? |
| 20:37.05 | paulswm | EdibleText: should just weigh him, iron's heavier |
| 20:37.11 | simonrvn | greycat: no, ns1.BRAAAAAINS.simonrvn.net ;P |
| 20:37.15 | EdibleText | paulswm, *mass* |
| 20:37.18 | sepski | windown with register dns or something ? |
| 20:37.31 | simonrvn | sepski: yes, windoze zombies |
| 20:37.40 | Delph | paulswm: but what if he weighs the same as a duck? |
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| 20:37.45 | doub | hi |
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| 20:38.37 | EdibleText | bah |
| 20:38.44 | racoontje | Delph: that's what I'd normally do but I have no running deb system |
| 20:38.49 | FieldySnuts | @tickle Phated |
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| 20:38.56 | FieldySnuts | argh |
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| 20:39.03 | sepski | simonrvn, script some firewall to block a ip for a duration of 5 minutes after a registry attempth, thenn tell all your customers it's becouse "that register dns thing that takes so long, just disable it" |
| 20:39.05 | paulswm | heh |
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| 20:39.23 | nasty | o.o |
| 20:39.41 | simonrvn | sepski: no, these are *external* clients. i have no windoze machines on this LAN |
| 20:39.54 | simonrvn | sepski: i have something like it going anyway ;) |
| 20:40.01 | sepski | lucky you :) |
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| 20:40.11 | simonrvn | small LAN |
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| 20:40.31 | nasty | ebay makes LANs happy |
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| 20:41.38 | doub | is there a doc/factoid somewhere about ssh x11 forwarding ? |
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| 20:41.44 | greycat | doub: /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 20:42.41 | NetSoerfer | about mounting an ntfs-fs again (kernel 2.4.27): i came as far as creating a new subdir in /mnt (being /mnt/data), tried mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/data, but it wouldn't... |
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| 20:43.28 | greycat | why not? |
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| 20:43.53 | NetSoerfer | "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, or too many mounted file systems" |
| 20:44.06 | greycat | perhaps hda2 isn't the right device |
| 20:44.23 | NetSoerfer | how can i get a list of devices? |
| 20:44.25 | RolandU | hi all! I installed a package, but the program won't start: "command not found"...... |
| 20:44.44 | dud | RolandU, whereis <name of executable> |
| 20:44.49 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 20:44.50 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
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| 20:45.05 | dud | or dpkg -l <name of package> |
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| 20:45.16 | greycat | YM -L. HTH. |
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| 20:45.24 | dud | RolandU, try lshw |
| 20:45.44 | NetSoerfer | greycat, was that for me? "YM -L"? |
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| 20:46.04 | RolandU | the package is kmoon and in earlier versions kmoon was also the name of the executable |
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| 20:46.15 | greycat | RolandU: dpkg -L kmoon | grep bin |
| 20:46.32 | greycat | or... | egrep 'bin|games' |
| 20:47.02 | jabooty | can someone explain to me why I should switch from slack to debian? |
| 20:47.14 | greycat | !why debian |
| 20:47.14 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 20:47.20 | jabooty | haha |
| 20:47.26 | jabooty | god I love that |
| 20:47.30 | dud | heh :o |
| 20:47.35 | NetSoerfer | yeah :D |
| 20:47.36 | dud | talk about being prepared |
| 20:47.38 | uruboro | jabooty, you herer looking for an unbiased opinion, i guess? |
| 20:47.56 | jabooty | well, I don't know if I'm ever going to find a truly unbiased opinion |
| 20:47.57 | dud | i have one word for you jabooty... apt-get |
| 20:48.07 | jabooty | dud: but what about swaret? |
| 20:48.24 | sepski | there is no such thing as an unbiased opionion, and if you try to be unbiased that even affect you so you wont be |
| 20:48.25 | dud | ive used slack for some years, but it really cant compare at all |
| 20:48.27 | dud | not at all |
| 20:48.55 | pepsi_ | I want to develop java 1.4.2 programs and need java and javac. what to do? |
| 20:48.58 | greycat | debian has a package manage, and security updates. Slackware has... well, I don't think it has much. |
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| 20:49.05 | greycat | pepsi_: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:49.17 | dud | 'objective opinion' is such a huge oxymoron |
| 20:49.31 | chealer | lol |
| 20:49.50 | arzajac | Would some one help me with a pppoe problem? I was able to connect a few times. I started getting pado packet errors on connection. Now I cannot connect at all from that box. Any ideas? |
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| 20:50.06 | RolandU | greycat: no response on both |
| 20:50.23 | Usual_Suspect | howdies to all |
| 20:50.24 | greycat | RolandU: dpkg -L kmoon | less; cd /usr/share/doc/kmoon; ls |
| 20:50.33 | chealer | arzajac: what does plog say? |
| 20:50.42 | jabooty | Well, I didn't figure I'd come into #debian and get an unbiased argument for switching. But I figured you folks would be the most knowledgable on the subject matter ;) |
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| 20:51.15 | Lusid | Man, screw Dell and their PowerEdge 2650s... sigh. |
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| 20:51.44 | uruboro | jabooty i don't know about slackware. Doesnt' work on my macs, debian does ;) |
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| 20:52.05 | Usual_Suspect | I have used Xandros and Mepis, also Mandrake and Fedora, but I have never used straight Debain...is their a flavor that would be recommended to me by you?? |
| 20:52.12 | greycat | Debian flavor. |
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| 20:52.16 | RolandU | greycat: that gave me a filelist |
| 20:52.24 | greycat | RolandU: right. that's all the files. man dpkg. |
| 20:52.42 | Usual_Suspect | Like Woody, Sarge, or Sid |
| 20:52.47 | greycat | sarge |
| 20:53.02 | iSteve | Sarge or eventually Sid |
| 20:53.03 | Usual_Suspect | Thanks Graycat for the advise |
| 20:53.08 | sepski | jabooty, well I switched thom RH/mandrake, becosue debian have apt-get, is more flexible, a sane release rate. did i mention apt-get ? and you dont need rpm *yay!* |
| 20:53.12 | Xemacs_ | stable, if you are making a server |
| 20:53.14 | RolandU | greycat, I believe that someone forgot to include an executable..... |
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| 20:53.35 | greycat | file a bug report |
| 20:53.38 | chealer | !sid |
| 20:53.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 20:54.16 | Usual_Suspect | I like apt-get in Mepis but I cant stand their irc room because I questioned their commercial policy and was almost crucified |
| 20:54.23 | valdyn | RolandU: its an applet, its not supposed supposed to contain an executable |
| 20:54.30 | iSteve | my god |
| 20:54.33 | rob0 | I know LILO well, new to GRUB. I'm changing the partition which contains /boot ... what do I need to do? |
| 20:54.33 | Xemacs_ | about how long does it take to gen caches on http://ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:54.39 | rob0 | (in grub) |
| 20:54.40 | iSteve | Usual_Suspect, apt-get is Debian invention. Not Mepis. |
| 20:55.24 | Usual_Suspect | I know it is Debian --- I am a newbie to Linux politics and thought Mepis was a Debian derivitive |
| 20:55.30 | Beccara | anyone know how i would roll back a debian machine to the barebones and reinstall everything |
| 20:55.33 | Beccara | remotely |
| 20:55.39 | zlost1 | i saw a web site that says to disable the java sources in sources.list when i try the update it seems to update correctly but im worried, wtf are those for and what if i never install the java |
| 20:55.41 | rob0 | (I msg'ed dkpg about grub) |
| 20:55.52 | greycat | Usual_Suspect: the problem is that most of the derivatives feel they're superior, so they get very defensive if you question them. |
| 20:56.06 | greycat | zlost1: /msg dpkg java |
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| 20:56.29 | tibob | hi |
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| 20:56.33 | Usual_Suspect | Lol sorry having a hard time reading the green text Graycat |
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| 20:56.37 | ectrlaltdl | i just installed a new sata hard drive in my server, shouldnt it be at /dev/sdb1? |
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| 20:57.01 | sepski | ectrlaltdl, sdb1 is a partition not a drive you mean sdb maybe ? |
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| 20:57.09 | ectrlaltdl | yeah sorry |
| 20:57.15 | zlost1 | i know what java is |
| 20:57.18 | greycat | I'd say it depends on where the first one is. |
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| 20:57.23 | azreal | what do i check to make sure that the modules that are in /lib/modules/*/misc are usable, because if i try to modprobe them, its as if they dont exist at all |
| 20:57.24 | zlost1 | thats not very helpfull |
| 20:57.31 | greycat | zlost1: /msg dpkg java AND THIS TIME READ IT. |
| 20:57.35 | ectrlaltdl | if i do an fdisk -l, it shows by sda sata drive, but this one i cant get working right |
| 20:57.40 | kantai | ectrlaltdl, try "fdisk -l", it'll list all parts |
| 20:57.48 | ectrlaltdl | :) |
| 20:57.48 | greycat | ESPECIALLY read the "Ask me about..." part. |
| 20:57.55 | zlost1 | theres a section in my sources.list marked #java and the servers under it fail |
| 20:57.55 | greycat | it's a multi-factoid explanation. |
| 20:57.56 | Usual_Suspect | Well the attitude that Mepis gave me was so unsavory to me that I am tired of spinoffs and will go to Debian itself |
| 20:58.04 | greycat | It can't all FIT in one fucking factoid. |
| 20:58.05 | azreal | the lirc modules were placed there from my modules-image deb |
| 20:58.23 | chealer | sepski: what do you mean "sane release date"? :) |
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| 20:58.33 | zlost1 | well it "fucking" doesnt answer my question |
| 20:58.39 | sepski | uuh i meant sane release rate |
| 20:58.46 | zlost1 | my q was about sources.list not what java is |
| 20:58.53 | greycat | did you read the part about "install java" that it said to ask it about? |
| 20:59.05 | sepski | as in i dont have to upgrade my server to a new version after a few months in order to get security updates |
| 20:59.11 | greycat | and how the fuck do WE know what YOU put in YOUR sources.list? |
| 20:59.16 | NetSoerfer | YAYE, i did it... got the right device mounted, thanks for your help! |
| 20:59.27 | greycat | The factoid tells you how to get java. End of story. |
| 20:59.33 | greycat | Whatever you did before is not our concern. |
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| 20:59.43 | Usual_Suspect | I have been afraid of Debian because I was told it was not as user friendly (nooby friendly) as Mandrake or some others, but now I am willing to try it with a little encouragement |
| 20:59.44 | zlost1 | umm maybe cause i just typed what was in my list |
| 21:00.04 | WiFiTux | zlost1, buddy, you need to install a package from apt-get and to download the java-source from the java site. then run 1 command. |
| 21:00.11 | NetSoerfer | buut... how do i give access privileges to a user for the new dir? |
| 21:00.13 | sepski | Usual_Suspect, correct it's a bit less userfirndly, but that also gives you a lot more control and flexibility |
| 21:00.14 | Lee__ | Usual_Suspect: download the sarge netinst iso and boot from it |
| 21:00.21 | streuner__ | zlost1: how old are you? |
| 21:00.26 | zlost1 | dont get all huffy with me cause you having a bad day |
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| 21:00.30 | Lee__ | the installer is very few steps |
| 21:00.45 | WiFiTux | zlost1, he is not. That's him. So cut it. |
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| 21:01.04 | zlost1 | i didnt curse at you and i dont appreciate being cursed at |
| 21:01.09 | Usual_Suspect | Thanks for the great advise, I will do that.... |
| 21:01.14 | WiFiTux | nasty, haha |
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| 21:01.22 | nasty | :P |
| 21:01.27 | kantai | Usual_Suspect: I was (still am) kind of a linux noob, I started with Mandrake and switched to debian with Debian installer, it really isn't too difficult to pick up |
| 21:01.30 | sepski | Usual_Suspect, and if you are able to read instructions that www.debian.org , dpkg and google provides you'll do fine |
| 21:01.30 | Usual_Suspect | Thanks Lee and Sepski |
| 21:01.32 | streuner__ | zlost1: you want solve a problem, right? |
| 21:01.34 | Lee__ | np |
| 21:01.54 | zlost1 | not if i need to withstand abuse to solve it |
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| 21:02.13 | streuner__ | zlost1: why don't you just read the factoid and get java from java.sun.com or blackdown? |
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| 21:02.17 | adjacent | it helps alot to have a fundemental understanding of how a computers operates too. |
| 21:02.38 | zlost1 | theres no reason on this earth to start swearing at people who havent done a thing to deserve it |
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| 21:02.47 | azreal | zlost1: it has been proven that abuse helps the learning process |
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| 21:03.01 | WcktKlwn | is there an easy way of fixing permissions? |
| 21:03.10 | WiFiTux | zlost1, apt-get install java-package then download the source from java.sun.com or something and then type make-jkpg filename and done! YOU FUCKTARD!!! |
| 21:03.15 | doub | azreal: who did? i'm interrested |
| 21:03.15 | streuner__ | zlost1: we can't help people if they aren't read what we telling them. |
| 21:03.15 | Usual_Suspect | Kantai thanks for the encouragement too...I will wipe f#ing Mepis off of my harddrive and use legitimate Debian |
| 21:03.21 | sepski | WcktKlwn, define 'fixing' |
| 21:03.21 | justin | greycat: if he has #java... in his sources.list he is using knoppix or something |
| 21:03.37 | zlost1 | all it does to me is make me pissed off the someone cant be more mature, and make me want to not listen to the person throwing abuses |
| 21:03.37 | azreal | doub: i dunno, ask my dad |
| 21:03.42 | greycat | justin: oh! that explains MUCH. |
| 21:03.47 | doub | azreal: where can i reach him? |
| 21:03.57 | Delph | zlost1: see, the thing is. You are asking Them questions. |
| 21:03.58 | Beccara | is there anyone in debain to remove all packages etc etc from the system in order to clean it right out? |
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| 21:04.07 | Delph | zlost1: you can always go away and look it up seperatley. |
| 21:04.11 | azreal | lol |
| 21:04.11 | chealer | Usual_Suspect: I agree with sepski and particularly kantai |
| 21:04.17 | WcktKlwn | sepski, well.. I ran a chmod o-rwx -R * in my home directory as root by acident and my home directory just happened to have a symlink to / |
| 21:04.20 | greycat | Beccara: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:04.23 | zlost1 | oh ok i see so if i ask a question i should expect abuse ? |
| 21:04.24 | mrwill | Beccara: remove all packages, and you have no system. |
| 21:04.28 | WiFiTux | can someone STFU zlost1 ? |
| 21:04.38 | Beccara | i need to roll the system back to just the min install |
| 21:04.43 | Delph | zlost1: no, if you dont do as people suggest, then your likelyhood of being abused gets higher. |
| 21:04.45 | Usual_Suspect | Thanks Chealer...I have learned something here |
| 21:04.49 | zlost1 | thats a real kind way of doing things in a chan intended for the purpose of helping others |
| 21:04.52 | Beccara | its needs a cleanout and a broken deb has screwed alot of things up |
| 21:05.00 | Lusid | yawn. |
| 21:05.08 | greycat | Beccara: just do a clean install, then. |
| 21:05.28 | doub | Beccara: you can try with aptitude, but you'd better do a clean install, as greycat says |
| 21:05.36 | mrwill | zlost1: enough people come in here with intelligence/attitude problems as it is -- you got a pretty good answer to your question, btw. |
| 21:05.38 | Beccara | the server is 600k's away :( |
| 21:05.41 | RolandU | valdyn: if it doesn't contain an executable, how do I start it? |
| 21:05.44 | Delph | zlost1: its like asking someone where the tube is, and them pointing you at a map, then instead of going and reading the map, like they suggested, ask again how to get somewhere. |
| 21:05.45 | Usual_Suspect | LOL when I told Mepis that I had used their beta they asked me if I was going to pay for it, I said "NO" and they banned me from their channel lol |
| 21:05.58 | dud | debian amd64 was a real hassle to install for me |
| 21:06.02 | greycat | Beccara: just start removin', then. |
| 21:06.13 | zlost1 | theres no excuse for swearing |
| 21:06.13 | Beccara | bugger |
| 21:06.15 | dud | lots of issues with not configuring network properly and apt-get |
| 21:06.16 | valdyn | RolandU: its an applet for kde, i guess for kdes taskbar ( whatever it is called ). Try rightclocking on it |
| 21:06.25 | Usual_Suspect | if that is the nature of their group...I will never use their software again |
| 21:06.36 | Beccara | is there anyways to start the debian installer from inside the debian machine via ssh? |
| 21:06.41 | chealer | Usual_Suspect: I suspect you'll love debian |
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| 21:06.43 | valdyn | RolandU: i don't know kde however |
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| 21:06.45 | doub | Beccara: aptitude allows you to remove all branches at once, so just keep the "base" one, and remove all others |
| 21:06.48 | zlost1 | i dont care if your day has been a total wreck, theres no excuse for cursing and swearing |
| 21:06.49 | greycat | Beccara: look into "debootstrap", to install in a chroot... |
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| 21:06.50 | dud | i must have hacked my way through the CLI for about 2h before i got ethernet and proper apt support running |
| 21:06.57 | chealer | Usual_Suspect: you just need to be a little bit geek :) |
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| 21:07.08 | azreal | can anyone help me figure this out? i have built a modules .deb from lirc-modules-source, i installed it and it placed the modules in /lib/modules/*/misc, but there seems to be no evidence that they exist otherwise, like modprobe refuses to acknowledge that they are there. |
| 21:07.15 | mrwill | zlost1: nobody cares about your opinions. |
| 21:07.29 | zlost1 | im glad for you |
| 21:07.33 | kantai | maybe this is OT, but does anyone know of an xmms/bmp plugin for real audio? |
| 21:07.33 | samuel | CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG |
| 21:07.37 | greycat | azreal: 1) did they MATCH your kernel? 2) did you run depmod -a? |
| 21:07.42 | valdyn | !topicsmite zlost1 |
| 21:07.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon zlost1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:07.44 | robster | azreal: do you need to run depmod -a? |
| 21:07.48 | Usual_Suspect | The little Debian I experienced from the non-debian distro I have used has convinced me you are right, Chealer |
| 21:07.49 | azreal | greycat: both, yes |
| 21:07.58 | Beccara | doub - how would i remove braches? |
| 21:08.07 | azreal | ± |
| 21:08.13 | azreal | oops |
| 21:08.13 | Xemacs_ | azreal, dod upi rebbot after you installed modules |
| 21:08.15 | robster | azreal: does insmof of the full path to the module work? |
| 21:08.24 | Lee__ | azreal: I just discovered module-assistant |
| 21:08.24 | robster | azreal: insmod even. |
| 21:08.27 | azreal | Xemacs_: no, should i have to? |
| 21:08.32 | Lee__ | it worked pretty well |
| 21:08.32 | doub | Beccara: in aptitude, move the hilighted part on the branch, and press the '-' key on it as you would do for a regular package |
| 21:08.34 | streuner__ | kantai: no, if you wanna run real audio, install the right codec and use xine or mplayer. |
| 21:08.46 | robster | azreal: reboot will rerun depmod at reboot |
| 21:08.47 | Usual_Suspect | Chealer, I am a GEEK...no doubt about it |
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| 21:08.54 | azreal | Lee__: hmm, i heard about that, im gonna check it out |
| 21:08.55 | dud | is there a special reason why debian puts exim as default MTA btw? |
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| 21:09.08 | Xemacs_ | azreal, sory no not on debian |
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| 21:09.15 | robster | dud: yes. |
| 21:09.16 | greycat | dud: because it was better than sendmail, umpteen years ago when the decision was made; and postfix did not yet exist. |
| 21:09.20 | azreal | k, ill try rebooting then |
| 21:09.21 | kantai | streuner__:alright, I figured as much |
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| 21:09.28 | chealer | Usual_Suspect: cool. now stop wasting your bandwidth on IRC and speed up that sarge download ;) |
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| 21:09.40 | dud | yeah, its just that i recon postfix to be much superiour nowadays.... |
| 21:09.48 | mrwill | greycat: postfix must have existed, it is packaged with stable |
| 21:09.58 | sepski | dud, well you'r allowed to change it you know :) |
| 21:10.01 | robster | dud: you'd be amazed at what exim4 can do compared to postfix |
| 21:10.02 | doub | dud: just install it then |
| 21:10.03 | greycat | mrwill: it did not exist at the time the decision was made to use exim. |
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| 21:10.17 | mrwill | greycat: oh, that makes sense. |
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| 21:10.23 | dud | i just might hehe |
| 21:10.25 | greycat | I can't even remember what Debian used before exim, if anything. But I remember postfix coming along. |
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| 21:10.32 | Usual_Suspect | Chealer thanks for the boot in the drawers, I am toddling over right now to Debian to get Sarge and try it out |
| 21:10.37 | robster | greycat: it would have been sendmail |
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| 21:10.49 | Usual_Suspect | bye bye |
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| 21:11.13 | samuel | anyone know how to use CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG in xchat? cant find the damned option |
| 21:11.14 | sepski | Usual_Suspect, oh and stay in chan and have a big backlog, you learn all kinds of stuff |
| 21:11.16 | greycat | Devi0s: nice hostname. |
| 21:11.43 | dud | wonder if i can juggle them around with that nice alternatives script... |
| 21:11.44 | streuner__ | sounds like a shell which you can buy... |
| 21:11.48 | dud | whats it called again? ;/ |
| 21:11.48 | Devi0s | does anyone know how to find out what domains are virtually hosted at a given ip address? (maybe by abusing netcraft or something like that?) |
| 21:11.53 | Devi0s | greycat, thanks |
| 21:12.04 | greycat | Devi0s: ask the admin? |
| 21:12.14 | Usual_Suspect | Sepski, will do....thanks to all who helped me here...I am impressed |
| 21:12.21 | Devi0s | greycat, too big a hosting company |
| 21:12.29 | dud | update-alternatives isnt it |
| 21:12.32 | greycat | dud: I don't think you can use update-alternatives on mail-transport-agent packages |
| 21:12.42 | mrwill | Devi0s: there's no easy way to do that. |
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| 21:13.03 | greycat | Devi0s: install a traffic sniffer on the wire to that host and filter out the Host: headers in HTTP packet? |
| 21:13.09 | dud | greycat, hmm |
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| 21:13.39 | Usual_Suspect | Lol I will use Mepis to download Debian to wipe Mepis :-d |
| 21:13.43 | dud | apt-get wants to remove exim packages if you install postfix... |
| 21:13.45 | Devi0s | greycat, hahahahah - without getting arrested for wiretapping. should have been more specific or something.... |
| 21:13.46 | dud | so i guess you cant |
| 21:14.00 | doub | dud: MTA's are conflicting with one another |
| 21:14.18 | mrwill | dud: you can have either exim or postfix but not both. |
| 21:14.21 | dud | ill just get rid of exim... never liked it |
| 21:14.31 | sepski | Devi0s, brute force? just query the ip for all possible domain names :) might take a while, and you'll probably get blackholed but :) |
| 21:14.43 | streuner__ | Why should someone use 2 MTU's? (makes no sense) |
| 21:14.44 | greycat | most people don't attempt to run two different MTAs at the same time, so there's really no point in going to all the hassle of making them alternatives to each other |
| 21:14.51 | streuner__ | MTA* |
| 21:14.57 | dud | Devi0s, the ip might have an arin-reverse entry |
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| 21:15.07 | Devi0s | sepski, thinking that a DOS attack would raise eyebrows |
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| 21:15.18 | sepski | Devi0s, brute force slowly ? :) |
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| 21:15.27 | Devi0s | dud: it does, but I know for a fact that at least 10 sites hosted on this ip |
| 21:15.30 | sepski | takes longer, keeps you out of jail |
| 21:15.35 | mrwill | dud: right, but it will only have one reverse entry, that may not correspond to the website. |
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| 21:15.41 | Delph | Devi0s: the point is, you can't find it out. |
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| 21:15.54 | Devi0s | Delph, well crap. |
| 21:16.22 | mrwill | Devi0s: why do you need this information, and what is keeping you from just asking somebody? |
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| 21:16.36 | samuel | to use CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG do i need an identd server? |
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| 21:16.55 | sepski | Devi0s, if you could assemble a list of sites, you could resolve them and match them against the ip, woudnt annoy the site, but the list would be trickier |
| 21:16.55 | Devi0s | mrwill, no point of contact and I'd like to keep why private |
| 21:17.01 | greycat | samuel: pretend nobody here knows what on earth you're talking about.... |
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| 21:17.17 | Sep`` | whats a good popserver ? |
| 21:17.21 | Eagle101 | help. anyone know why my gnome "Search for Files" gives me no results for any file that I search...? |
| 21:17.25 | greycat | Sep``: depends on your mailbox format. |
| 21:17.34 | streuner__ | sep: popa3d |
| 21:18.04 | streuner__ | Sep``: ^^ |
| 21:18.06 | doub | Eagle101: maybe because you're searching for files that don't exist |
| 21:18.07 | streuner__ | tiny - light and secure. |
| 21:18.12 | streuner__ | !info popa3d |
| 21:18.18 | dpkg | popa3d: (A tiny POP3 daemon, designed with security as the primary goal), section mail, is extra. Version: 0.6.4.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 21:18.19 | samuel | greycat, heh... no big surprise... a long time ago i thought that it was because everyone ELSE is always confused... i still think that... |
| 21:18.29 | Eagle101 | doub: thats not it, i searched for files that i know for sure that exist ;) |
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| 21:18.36 | citral | that's fucking tiny |
| 21:18.53 | streuner__ | but enough ;-) |
| 21:18.55 | greycat | does it read Maildir? |
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| 21:19.22 | streuner__ | greycat: no idea |
| 21:19.35 | greycat | apt-cache show doesn't say. |
| 21:20.22 | sepski | have a good night all |
| 21:20.24 | citral | greycat: a patch |
| 21:20.35 | citral | does it |
| 21:20.47 | greycat | I'll continue using qmail-pop3d, then :) |
| 21:21.38 | robster | Eagle101: does it use locate? have you got a cronjob that runs updatedb which you always miss since your computer is off |
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| 21:21.57 | greycat | you're assuming he knows how it works. |
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| 21:22.15 | greycat | in my experience, KDE and GNOME users rarely know what their big bloated shiny GUIs actually do |
| 21:22.21 | robster | greycat: heh, i do |
| 21:22.37 | streuner__ | http://hhg.to/popa3d/maildir.html |
| 21:22.38 | robster | greycat: its the magic creatures that turn the handles inside, surely? |
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| 21:22.53 | greycat | no no, silly. treadmills. |
| 21:23.00 | robster | ah, right. |
| 21:23.02 | citral | a bunch of gnomes |
| 21:23.03 | greycat | most magic creatures don't have opposable thumbs. |
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| 21:23.45 | Miguel | hello |
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| 21:25.13 | tchino | hello, how i can install notepad on wine |
| 21:25.23 | rob0 | The only magic creature I ever saw was shacking me in the head with a hammer, so I didn't see much. (I had been drinking the night before.) |
| 21:25.40 | rob0 | s shacking/whacking/ :) |
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| 21:25.48 | pink_ | i just installe xfce 4.2. to what binary do i link to when adding reference to my gdm sessions directory? |
| 21:25.50 | citral | hahahaha http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html |
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| 21:26.43 | streuner__ | citral: haha |
| 21:26.48 | citral | tchino: I don't think this is the right channel... |
| 21:26.50 | jharrisonwk | bleh |
| 21:26.52 | greycat | um... "click" the button? DAMN, they mean that literally, don't they. |
| 21:26.59 | greycat | It says [BUTTON] |
| 21:27.08 | greycat | and that's not a hyperlink. |
| 21:27.16 | jharrisonwk | I dont click anything without authorization |
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| 21:27.30 | Miguel | hey some bosy speak spanish |
| 21:27.38 | tchino | citral: i have installed the program wine, how can install win-programms for wine |
| 21:27.39 | Miguel | some bady |
| 21:27.42 | citral | Miguel: #debian-es |
| 21:27.45 | greycat | WOW... there's no place I can even press \ to get the raw HTML source! |
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| 21:28.03 | paulswm | citral: that's quite funny, the Aoler link |
| 21:28.03 | citral | greycat: lynx ? |
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| 21:28.07 | greycat | citral: yup |
| 21:28.08 | updala | i heard that |
| 21:28.10 | updala | what? |
| 21:28.11 | updala | that |
| 21:28.16 | updala | aha |
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| 21:28.25 | updala | hi p0llux |
| 21:28.36 | updala | tu es tres gentille |
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| 21:28.42 | paulswm | god, another wanker |
| 21:28.49 | citral | GRAYCAT THEN USE INTARNET EXPLORER U LOS3R111! |
| 21:28.52 | cthulfuego | pink_: apt-get install xfce will automagically add xfce to the gdm session list. |
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| 21:29.17 | greycat | citral: OIC LOL UR RITE OMG KTHX !!!1 |
| 21:29.29 | pink_ | cthulfuego: i dont think it did |
| 21:29.33 | jharrisonwk | I swear the same woman is calling and asking the same freaking question over and over again |
| 21:29.36 | jharrisonwk | holy freaking crap |
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| 21:29.41 | nasty | oh em gee, did sum1 sey Intardnet Exploder?! |
| 21:29.42 | pink_ | but, then asgain, i overwrote it if it did :-) |
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| 21:29.52 | updala | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.06 | greycat | updala: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:30.06 | jharrisonwk | uh oh |
| 21:30.15 | jharrisonwk | the channel is getting retarded |
| 21:30.23 | Miguel | nadie habla español |
| 21:30.27 | greycat | !es |
| 21:30.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:30.30 | citral | Miguel: /j #debian-es |
| 21:30.36 | updala | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.37 | jharrisonwk | Miguel: #DEBIAN-ES |
| 21:30.48 | greycat | !released |
| 21:30.48 | dpkg | RELEASED?!? Our software is not *released*! It escapes from the lab, leaving a bloody trail of programmers and QA testers behind it! |
| 21:30.49 | MrKrystal | Miguel: /join #debian-es |
| 21:31.00 | jharrisonwk | paulswm: look at the shit above |
| 21:31.11 | hanasaki | anyone know why java-virtual-machine-dummy depends on java-common that is not a dummy? |
| 21:31.21 | jharrisonwk | hanasaki: java sucks |
| 21:31.23 | updala | hanasaki, coz it sux |
| 21:31.33 | jharrisonwk | !coz |
| 21:31.34 | dpkg | i heard coz is NOT a word; it's spelled 'because'; learn to type. |
| 21:31.35 | RinzeWind | hanasaki: java dummy packages are included in java-common |
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| 21:31.42 | greycat | hanasaki: java-common only has a few files in nit |
| 21:31.43 | jharrisonwk | dpkg: damn straight |
| 21:31.48 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 21:31.56 | jharrisonwk | dpkg: right on |
| 21:31.56 | dpkg | of course i am |
| 21:31.58 | RinzeWind | hanasaki: So, you install java-common and then proceed to install the dummy packages |
| 21:32.17 | hanasaki | those that helped.. thanks.. those that buged.. :P ;) |
| 21:32.21 | updala | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.26 | Delph | mayyybe. |
| 21:32.35 | citral | maybe you're a troll |
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| 21:32.43 | jharrisonwk | hanasaki: there you go buddy |
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| 21:32.57 | jharrisonwk | oh no what ever shall I do |
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| 21:33.14 | dud | init 4 is when xserver respawns and starts automatic at boot isnt it? |
| 21:33.15 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: I did before I typed, couldn't see anything about the same woman calling and asking the same question, never mind |
| 21:33.22 | greycat | dud: no. read /etc/inittab |
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| 21:33.25 | pink_ | i just installe xfce 4.2. to what binary do i link to when adding reference to my gdm sessions directory? |
| 21:33.26 | fusion | ehh..kicked for saying it sucks? perhaps you could have asked why he thinks it sucks first? :) |
| 21:33.31 | dud | greycat, thanks |
| 21:33.32 | greycat | fusion: read the backlog |
| 21:33.32 | uruboro | i could install ibm java sdk with debian. crashes x with sig 11 but works in xnest. anyway a commercial implementation of smalltalk was as fast as java swing apps ;) |
| 21:33.52 | hanasaki | greycat: nice kick! |
| 21:33.52 | bucky | hanasaki, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html |
| 21:34.12 | jvw | hanasaki: that's a bit outdated though... updates welcome :) |
| 21:34.19 | cthulfuego | pink_: I jst told you, it's done automagically. if you installed xfce4.2 from source, you probably fucked up your system. |
| 21:34.27 | jvw | java-package is the way you should normally introduce java onto your system... |
| 21:34.32 | pink_ | no, not from source |
| 21:34.34 | pink_ | and i told you |
| 21:34.38 | pink_ | it didnt get added |
| 21:34.47 | gentood00d | pink_: Exec=/usr/bin/startxfce4 |
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| 21:34.51 | gentood00d | im pretty sure |
| 21:34.55 | bucky | i used the os-cillation installer and it worked ok |
| 21:34.57 | petemc | pink_: put it in ~/.xsession and choose debian default from the gdm menu |
| 21:35.02 | hanasaki | bucky: / jvw thanks.. i have the sun 1.5/5.0 just fine.. but limewire needs j2re1.4 | java2-runtime and i prefer to stick with the sun jdk.. thoughts? |
| 21:35.03 | citral | fusion: cutting the troll as it's first base is better than having to deal for one hour with it. irc take the point on usenet for that. |
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| 21:35.08 | pink_ | ya, i didnt like the installer weither |
| 21:35.15 | citral | s/take/takes/ |
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| 21:35.16 | pink_ | so just installed the deb package |
| 21:35.27 | jvw | hanasaki: java-package generated that package fine |
| 21:35.34 | kantai | hanasaki: why not just use the sun package? |
| 21:35.34 | hanasaki | hmmm |
| 21:35.39 | hanasaki | brb.. need to research java-package |
| 21:35.42 | jvw | hanasaki: install it, and read /usr/share/doc/README.Debian |
| 21:35.51 | jvw | eh, with java-packge in between |
| 21:35.54 | xerophyte | how can i attach to screen session ? |
| 21:35.55 | hanasaki | kantai: cuase then the limewire package doesnt have a dependancy met |
| 21:35.59 | jvw | kantai: it does make .deb's from sun's java package |
| 21:36.00 | bucky | hanasaki, you can install the version you want and use update-alternatives to switch.. btw i googled for an unofficial apt source for my java |
| 21:36.01 | fusion | citral: yes thats all very well but I just didnt think saying it sucked was grounds enough for a kickban, but greycat told me to scroll up so I am :) |
| 21:36.01 | citral | xerophyte: screen -R |
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| 21:36.05 | jvw | sun's version fucks with your /etc |
| 21:36.08 | kantai | ah, ok |
| 21:36.18 | hanasaki | jvw: does that let you use mutiple vers at the same time? |
| 21:36.29 | jvw | hanasaki: yes, java-package makes it use alternatives |
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| 21:36.47 | xerophyte | citral you mean i can join the screen session using that am i right |
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| 21:37.09 | paulswm | fusion: he was a jerk, it was a righteous kikc from greycat IMO |
| 21:37.09 | hanasaki | nice.. bbl |
| 21:37.10 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 21:37.11 | petemc | xerophyte: screen -x |
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| 21:37.15 | paulswm | kick |
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| 21:37.33 | citral | xerophyte: screen -x in this case, but even better, man screen |
| 21:37.46 | dud | hmm, init.d rc{2,3,4,5} is exactly the same.... |
| 21:38.00 | greycat | dud: correct. |
| 21:38.01 | fusion | paulswm: as I thought I had kind of implied, I only looked when the kick was made after he said it sucked |
| 21:38.01 | xerophyte | thx all |
| 21:38.10 | greycat | dud: but you are allowed to change that if you wish. it's a local option. |
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| 21:38.23 | dud | im more used to 2 and 3 being multiuser non-x and 4,5 being xserver |
| 21:38.30 | dud | greycat, i know hehe |
| 21:38.32 | petemc | dud: zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 21:38.36 | dud | its just interesting to see |
| 21:38.43 | citral | indeed |
| 21:38.54 | kaiowa | how could i start samba? i have configured the conf file but if i brow the lan with smb4k i dont see myself |
| 21:38.59 | paulswm | fusion: I know, just offering my opinion |
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| 21:39.06 | xerophyte | screen seems cool |
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| 21:40.15 | greycat | kaiowa: it's started by default upon installation. /etc/init.d/samba restart if you changed the files, etc. |
| 21:40.17 | stew | screen is the best thing ever |
| 21:40.22 | nogie | hi all |
| 21:40.23 | greycat | it's right up there. |
| 21:40.26 | FalscherHase | is there a screen-like program that splits the console vertically (you know for these widescreen formats)? |
| 21:40.28 | streuner__ | What's a good HOWTO for Samba with some examples? |
| 21:40.34 | greycat | streuner__: www.samba.org |
| 21:40.55 | Lee__ | streuner__: everything you could ask for. samba is terrifying, so watch out. |
| 21:40.56 | JoshTriplett | FalscherHase: Emacs. :) |
| 21:40.57 | nogie | I'm lookin' for some help on debian and C programming... |
| 21:40.58 | streuner__ | greycat: well, was that the URL you posted once here? |
| 21:41.03 | pepsi_ | I'm trying to install the java sdk. I've downloaded the self-extracting arcive. Run make-jpkg. But the dpkg -i ~pepsi/tmp/sun-j2sdk1.4_1.4.2+06_i386.deb fails! ("...Package sun-j2sdk1.4debian is not configured yet.") what to do? |
| 21:41.05 | JoshTriplett | nogie: Can you be more specific? |
| 21:41.11 | nogie | ok |
| 21:41.23 | Ronin` | damn useless rogers |
| 21:41.31 | JoshTriplett | pepsi_: There should be two packages; one with the debian-specific bits, and one with the JDK. |
| 21:41.31 | petemc | kenny? |
| 21:41.31 | greycat | pepsi_: what's the *first* error? |
| 21:41.35 | FalscherHase | JoshTriplett: mmh probably. it's a FAQ for vim by the way, that they won't implement shell windows :) |
| 21:41.35 | JoshTriplett | pepsi_: You need both. |
| 21:41.36 | nogie | I need to compile and test a stupid program written in ANSI C |
| 21:41.46 | JoshTriplett | FalscherHase: Heh. |
| 21:41.47 | greycat | nogie: ok, and what's the question? |
| 21:42.01 | nogie | can I contact you privately? |
| 21:42.02 | paulswm | dud: debian gives you more space to define your own run levels rather than forcing other configurations down your throat, Microsoft-style, like some other distros do |
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| 21:42.03 | greycat | no. |
| 21:42.09 | JoshTriplett | nogie: Just ask in the channel. |
| 21:42.15 | nogie | k |
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| 21:42.17 | dud | paulswm, hehe... its all good :) |
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| 21:42.22 | dud | not complaining here |
| 21:42.43 | nogie | well I wrote the code on win XP, then gave it to a friend running debian... |
| 21:42.53 | nogie | and it does not compile |
| 21:42.57 | streuner__ | greycat: because that was one of the best HOWTO's i ever saw... |
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| 21:43.13 | paulswm | dud: couldn't resist the excuse you gave me to diss other distros :) |
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| 21:43.33 | pepsi_ | JoshTriplett: so I need the "sun-j2sdk1.4debian_0.18_all.deb"? right? well, trying to install this package results in "sun-j2sdk1.4debian depends on sun-j2sdk1.4; however: Package sun-j2sdk1.4 is not configured yet." =( |
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| 21:43.37 | JoshTriplett | nogie: Can you be more specific? What is the code, and what is the error? |
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| 21:43.46 | greycat | streuner__: dunno, ask #samba |
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| 21:43.49 | nogie | k |
| 21:43.49 | JoshTriplett | pepsi_: Install both. |
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| 21:44.02 | nogie | do I have to write the code right here? |
| 21:44.11 | JoshTriplett | nogie: No, and don't. |
| 21:44.17 | greycat | nogie: just tell us what the problem is |
| 21:44.18 | JoshTriplett | nogie: First of all, what's the compilation error? |
| 21:44.33 | nogie | in my system there is no compile error |
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| 21:44.44 | hanasaki | ok.. make-jpkg rocks |
| 21:44.52 | hanasaki | thnaks folks |
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| 21:45.02 | paulswm | nogie: and on the debian system ....? |
| 21:45.04 | pepsi_ | JoshTriplett: thx! got it right now. (sorry, I'm very new to apt) |
| 21:45.26 | JoshTriplett | pepsi_: Unfortunately, manually-generated packages don't go through apt, they go through dpkg, as you saw. |
| 21:45.32 | nogie | well I don't know! because he didn't tell me and I cannot ask him again |
| 21:45.36 | JoshTriplett | pepsi_: Apt is quite advanced; dpkg is rather less so. :) |
| 21:45.52 | paulswm | oh, dear Lord Jesus |
| 21:45.56 | pepsi_ | JoshTriplett: hehe.. true. I'm new to all of this debian stuff.. I like it though |
| 21:45.57 | JoshTriplett | pepsi_: (On the scale of "Massively awesome", that is. :) Everything's relative.) :) |
| 21:46.09 | paulswm | nogie: so we can't really help then |
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| 21:46.19 | greycat | I think he wants someone to download his C code and compile it and tell him where it's broken so he can fix it, turn it in to his teacher, and get a good grade. |
| 21:46.19 | citral | pepsi_: first, go and read the FAQ -> /msg dpkg FAQ |
| 21:46.23 | nogie | No! I'm lookin' for someone who can compile and test the prog |
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| 21:46.31 | nogie | running debian |
| 21:46.34 | greycat | that's what I said :) |
| 21:46.35 | gilles | Does someone use a Radeon 9600 with fglrx drivers, and could let me see its XF86Config-4, so that i can see how to configure the acceleration ? |
| 21:46.36 | JoshTriplett | nogie: Well, go to rafb.net/paste and paste it there; give us the resulting URL. |
| 21:46.36 | pepsi_ | citral: ok.. got it |
| 21:46.47 | paulswm | nogie: you don't have debian? |
| 21:46.53 | nogie | no :) |
| 21:46.59 | JoshTriplett | nogie: We could fix that. :) |
| 21:47.00 | bucky | nogie, /join #c |
| 21:47.06 | greycat | that too. |
| 21:47.08 | nogie | wait |
| 21:47.11 | JoshTriplett | bucky: Seconded. |
| 21:47.17 | greycat | if it fails on Debian, it's going to fail on just about any Unix box |
| 21:47.26 | paulswm | nogie: so you are running WunXP and your want us to test your program so you can give it to a friend who is running debian? |
| 21:47.28 | *** part/#debian jabooty (~Bosco@63.78.28.225) |
| 21:47.29 | [bono] | Question: how do i produce an rtf document with a tex file? |
| 21:47.30 | nogie | what's /join # ? |
| 21:47.34 | greycat | unless it was a debian-specific problem such as "gcc isn't installed" |
| 21:47.53 | bucky | nogie, it's a command you type in your irc |
| 21:47.58 | jonathan_ | Is there a way to get apt to redownload up to date packages? I need to force apt-proxy to update it's cache. |
| 21:48.01 | nogie | I'm in |
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| 21:48.10 | greycat | jonathan_: apt-get --reinstall install ... |
| 21:48.16 | dud | how can i see the current runlevel...? |
| 21:48.19 | JoshTriplett | jonathan_: apt-get install aptitude; aptitude download packagename. :) |
| 21:48.20 | greycat | jonathan_: possibly add -d too. |
| 21:48.22 | greycat | dud: runlevel |
| 21:48.23 | bucky | nogie, now type /part |
| 21:48.41 | dud | greycat, d'oh hehe thanks |
| 21:48.43 | citral | [bono]: I don't think there's a direct way to do that. You could try to import postscript from your wysiwyg editor, and convert it maybe? |
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| 21:48.57 | nogie | where? here or there? |
| 21:49.05 | bucky | yes here |
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| 21:49.19 | dud | umm, it says 2 3 |
| 21:49.36 | dud | can i be in two different runlevels at the same time? O_o |
| 21:49.39 | jonathan_ | greycat: I need to do it for all the packages, and apt-get -d --reinstall dselect-upgrade says "0MB to download. Download complete." |
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| 21:50.11 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: yes, apt does not redownload if it has the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 21:50.16 | paulswm | great, now #debian is a place for XP users to get their C code debugged and tested for running on Linux |
| 21:50.30 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: perhaps move them away for a moment? |
| 21:50.34 | xerophyte | how many people prepare terminal tabs then screen ? |
| 21:50.40 | dud | jonathaN, you could always clean your /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 21:50.44 | dud | with apt-get |
| 21:51.05 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: the cache is clean. That's only forces a 50mb upgrade. I want something more like 800MB. |
| 21:51.15 | citral | xerophyte: are you often taking polls like that? :) |
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| 21:52.56 | a_monkey | where are all of debian's packages kept? on some ftp server? i would like to see a list of all of debian's packages |
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| 21:53.20 | guestish | a_monkey: there are about 100 mirrors or so |
| 21:53.21 | petemc | a_monkey: http://packages.debian.org |
| 21:53.23 | thingfish | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 21:53.24 | takatumi | a_monkey: packages.debian.org |
| 21:53.32 | a_monkey | thankyou |
| 21:53.57 | guestish | a_monkey: if you want a list on your computer (if you are using debian) you can use synaptic or aptitude to see a list |
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| 21:54.33 | Herodes | hi |
| 21:54.42 | nogie | hi all |
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| 21:55.00 | abydos | okay, we're gonna ask this again |
| 21:55.01 | nogie | I need some help on a little prog I wrot in C |
| 21:55.17 | nogie | is there somebody who can help me? |
| 21:55.17 | suidik | nogie: join #c |
| 21:55.22 | nogie | join #c |
| 21:55.31 | abydos | is there a way to make gnome print directly to a remote cups server ala kprinter, or do you have to have cupsd running on localhost? |
| 21:55.35 | paulswm | nogie: /join #c |
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| 21:55.47 | uruboro | nogie or join c# :) |
| 21:56.03 | paulswm | heh |
| 21:56.04 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: and if you called apt-proxy directly, let it do it's routine clean up and then it has nothing to do and exits again? have you tried something like that? |
| 21:56.24 | uruboro | nogie it was a joke |
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| 21:56.46 | paulswm | uruboro: a cruel one, but a joke :) |
| 21:57.13 | [bono] | citral: thanks for the tip :-) |
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| 21:57.30 | uruboro | well i thought it was innocent enough, did not involve fork or rm -rf |
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| 21:57.32 | xerophyte | citral, i have question say for example you have screen sesion [my desktop screen [ remote server screen ]] how can you switch between them ? |
| 21:57.40 | uruboro | :) |
| 21:57.43 | paulswm | uruboro: :D |
| 21:57.55 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: apt-proxy simply intercepts the requests between apt and the outside apt server. If the requested deb is on the proxy, then it's sent, otherwise the the deb is requested from outside world. |
| 21:58.11 | paulswm | if he has trouble with /join, who knows what the code is like |
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| 21:58.46 | uruboro | hehehe now who is cruel paulswm ... |
| 21:58.48 | takatumi | it's a wonder how he got on irc |
| 21:58.57 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: when apt-get dselect-upgrade is called, apt-get simply says "gee these packages are the same, so I don't need to download them" even if --reinstall is passed. |
| 21:59.07 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: so with "update the cache" you meant redownload... oops. |
| 21:59.32 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: yeah. apt-proxy's cache is empty. |
| 21:59.41 | uruboro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.07 | paulswm | uruboro: there was a question the other day "how do I know if I'm root", I sat on my hands rather than type "if you do rm -fr and your system stops, you're root" |
| 22:00.08 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: I can get apt-get --reinstall to work if I run it with 'install' for every package explicity though. |
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| 22:00.25 | paulswm | rm -fr / that is |
| 22:00.46 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: but that will reinstall every package, ask a lot of debconf questions and stuff |
| 22:00.46 | uruboro | which was an accurate enough answer paulswm ;) |
| 22:00.48 | idnar | uruboro: I think you mean /join 0 ? |
| 22:00.53 | citral | xerophyte: then you have them in two different terminals |
| 22:00.56 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: not with -d :) |
| 22:01.17 | paulswm | uruboro: yeah, like looking down the barrel of a gun and pulling the trigger to see if it's loaded :) |
| 22:01.23 | uruboro | idnar it was something that flooded you so you got disconnected. i was on 28.8 anyway |
| 22:01.34 | xerophyte | citral, so you can not screen session inside screen session just wondering? |
| 22:01.39 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: ah, ok. so get the list of installed packages from 'dpkg -l' and feed it to 'apt-get -d' how's that? |
| 22:01.52 | idnar | uruboro: oh, I suppose that might give you ever nick connected to IRC |
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| 22:02.05 | uruboro | idnar so it would have been enough ;) |
| 22:02.14 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: with a sprinking of perl magic, that just might work! Thanks. |
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| 22:02.25 | idnar | uruboro: /join 0 makes you part every channel |
| 22:02.48 | idnar | uruboro: more commonly seen as something like "join #debian2,000 now for free sex" (or whatever) |
| 22:02.53 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: oh hell dpkg --get-selections also works. I'm so dumb! ;P |
| 22:02.55 | citral | xerophyte: seems to be working here |
| 22:03.29 | uruboro | idnar now with xchat i forgot most things ;) |
| 22:04.20 | paulswm | uruboro: yeah me too , and, incidentally there was someone here the other day who was aparently a male model looking for girls with whom to private chat |
| 22:04.37 | uruboro | he found the right channel paulswm ;) |
| 22:04.40 | citral | xchat provokes memory troubles! |
| 22:05.18 | xerophyte | citral how can you switch between them |
| 22:05.30 | citral | xerophyte: man screen |
| 22:05.40 | xerophyte | cital did ;) |
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| 22:05.54 | citral | obviously noy :) |
| 22:05.55 | Oddmonger | Hello |
| 22:06.09 | paulswm | uruboro: at least it was different from "X doesn't work" |
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| 22:06.35 | uruboro | paulswm but was gonna become "xxx doesn't work either" |
| 22:06.35 | citral | xerophyte: I'm in a good mood, ctrl-a del or 1-9 or tab |
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| 22:06.38 | Oddmonger | I'd like to install Debian on a PC with 2 SATA disks |
| 22:06.51 | paulswm | uruboro: very good |
| 22:07.02 | Oddmonger | The problem is: no disks are found. |
| 22:07.15 | Oddmonger | Should I try "unstable" Debian with 2.6.x kernel ? |
| 22:07.17 | citral | xerophyte: forget the tab |
| 22:07.43 | Lambo | is there a shell www browser similar to lynx that allows https connections? |
| 22:07.53 | Oddmonger | Lambo: links ? |
| 22:07.56 | uruboro | lambo "links"? |
| 22:07.59 | rob0 | lambo, lynx :) |
| 22:08.09 | xerophyte | citral thats means if you have multible screen window .. what if you to different screen session runing how will you switch between them |
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| 22:08.38 | citral | xerophyte: I don't know |
| 22:08.42 | Lambo | strange my lynx isn't allowing https. |
| 22:08.49 | xerophyte | citral, oh okay :) |
| 22:09.12 | Rage_ | anyone happen to know off the top of their head what kernel module ac97 is? |
| 22:09.17 | Oddmonger | If i install Debian with "unstable" distrib, can i go back later to testing or stable ? |
| 22:09.30 | nasty | anyone have any suggestions for streaming video w/ webcams? |
| 22:09.31 | paulswm | Oddmonger: that's not so easy |
| 22:09.40 | jonathan_ | FalscherHase: That appears to work. thanks. |
| 22:09.59 | FalscherHase | jonathan_: have fun :) |
| 22:10.00 | paulswm | Oddmonger: at least, it didn't used to be |
| 22:10.07 | Oddmonger | paulswm: why ? I just want the kernel 2.6.x |
| 22:10.17 | Oddmonger | and i won't install much more else |
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| 22:11.29 | paulswm | Oddmonger: well, that's not what you asked, and 2.6 is certainly in testing anyway, so you don't have to install unstable to get it |
| 22:12.10 | paulswm | Oddmonger: and youb wouldn't want to downgrade from testing to stable anyway, trust me |
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| 22:12.56 | uruboro | lambo my lynx does. |
| 22:13.13 | Oddmonger | testing is called "Sarge", isn't it ? |
| 22:13.38 | paulswm | Oddmonger: yes! and it's pretty straightforward to install |
| 22:13.42 | Oddmonger | I tried Sarge this afternoon, and hang the machine with a 2.4.x kernel |
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| 22:14.12 | Oddmonger | Is there somewhere a "kernel-choice" ? |
| 22:14.37 | paulswm | Oddmonger: I had no problems with Sarge and 2.4 kernels, both stock and custom compiled, nor the 2.6 that I'm running now |
| 22:14.50 | citral | Oddmonger: type linux26 at very first prompt for 2.6 |
| 22:14.58 | Oddmonger | ok! |
| 22:14.59 | uruboro | oddmonger have you checked out the startup options? there might be ... what citral said ;) |
| 22:15.11 | dud | oh well, time to reboot and see if my runlevel 2 is xserver-less or screwed up heh |
| 22:15.21 | Oddmonger | thank you, two :) |
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| 22:15.56 | citral | Oddmonger: however, telling us why it hangs would help more, look at the messages |
| 22:16.19 | uruboro | oddmonger if you get really desperate try a kanotix live cd (like knoppix but aims to install a pure debian) |
| 22:16.22 | Oddmonger | citral: the machine is at work, alas. |
| 22:16.35 | paulswm | Oddmonger: good point, because it dosn't sound distro related if it was a stock kernel |
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| 22:17.11 | Oddmonger | but i remember some cryptics messages about enumerating hard drives |
| 22:17.26 | Oddmonger | I'm sure it's the "SATA" initialisation which hang everything |
| 22:17.39 | citral | could be... then 2.6 might help |
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| 22:17.44 | Oddmonger | I tried knoppix: 2.4 is ok, but doesn't see my drives :) |
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| 22:17.49 | paulswm | Oddmonger: yes, then 2.6 is certainly better |
| 22:17.56 | Oddmonger | knoppix 2.6: hangs |
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| 22:18.15 | uruboro | kanotix should hang too, then |
| 22:18.29 | Oddmonger | i searched infos about modules need by sata |
| 22:18.36 | Oddmonger | seems i should have scsi support |
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| 22:19.19 | Oddmonger | is SATA supported by 2.4 kernels ? |
| 22:19.39 | citral | !sata faq |
| 22:19.40 | dpkg | from memory, sata faq is at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 22:19.55 | Oddmonger | ok thanks |
| 22:20.11 | Oddmonger | i found only sata-raids related questions |
| 22:20.22 | directhex | Oddmonger, barely, in _VERY_ recent 2.4 kernels |
| 22:20.28 | Oddmonger | ok |
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| 22:20.39 | directhex | Oddmonger, i.e. 2.4.26 i think they started backporting a resonable set fo drivers from 2.6 |
| 22:20.49 | citral | oh, it's not sata raid? then the link won't help I think |
| 22:21.23 | paulswm | Oddmonger: 2.4.27 or later, the link says |
| 22:21.29 | Oddmonger | citral: for the moment, i just want see the disks |
| 22:21.37 | citral | Oddmonger: a good aproach would be to try to boot with 2.6, write down the messages if it hangs, and ask for help in #debian-boot |
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| 22:21.48 | Oddmonger | citral: and after, i could duplicate the disk one on the disk two, with raidtools |
| 22:21.54 | citral | Oddmonger: I see |
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| 22:22.25 | Oddmonger | but help gathered here was precious anyway |
| 22:22.34 | paulswm | Oddmonger: good luck |
| 22:22.36 | Oddmonger | it gave me some new pointers |
| 22:22.39 | paulswm | !beer Oddmonger |
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| 22:22.41 | Oddmonger | thank you |
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| 22:26.55 | lilliput | Hello |
| 22:27.01 | bucky | olleH |
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| 22:27.40 | bluefox83 | where does xfree86 keep it's config file? i don't seem to recall the name of the file >.> |
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| 22:27.54 | citral | bluefox83: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 22:27.59 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 22:28.04 | lilliput | I just have a question .. where could I found if the grub can support boot on the network ? and if yes which card have been added .. |
| 22:28.08 | citral | bluefox83: but in debian, you want to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:28.19 | Oddmonger | bluefox83: locate XF86Config |
| 22:28.31 | lilliput | dpkg grub |
| 22:28.31 | dpkg | grub is probably [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 22:28.40 | sussudio | Guerin: in soviet russia, your bunny is a parrot. http://www.google.nl/search?q=cache:QwO1EBwas6YJ:funreports.com/2005/01/18/57884.html+&hl=en |
| 22:28.54 | bucky | ./etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:29.03 | Gumby | gah, can anyone remind me what the command is to show the size of a directory and the files within it |
| 22:29.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 825] by debhelper |
| 22:29.07 | resiak | Gumby: du |
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| 22:29.12 | citral | du -h |
| 22:29.19 | Oddmonger | citral: du -hs :) |
| 22:29.21 | Gumby | resiak: ty, completely slippled my mind |
| 22:29.33 | paulswm | Gumby: man du :P |
| 22:29.49 | citral | Oddmonger: that's handy, too |
| 22:29.51 | bluefox83 | ok, one more quick question, what is the default /dev for a usb mouse? /dev/input/mouse? |
| 22:29.51 | bucky | apropos file |
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| 22:30.06 | Kvisle | I got a question regarding the debian installer - it doesn't seem to support the "Compaq Smart Array 5i"-RAID-controller - so I am unable to install. I need a floppy disk with the CCISS module, but I can't seem to find a driver disk like this anywhere - can anyone help me with this? |
| 22:30.06 | citral | /dev/input/mice |
| 22:30.11 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 22:30.39 | Kvisle | adding; I'm installing woody |
| 22:31.12 | isam | when I attempt to install any package I get an error saying "parse error in "/var/lib/dpkg/available" near line 1, EOF after file name" |
| 22:31.12 | paulswm | Kvisle: any special reason for wanting woody? |
| 22:31.15 | bluefox83 | whats the protocol for that citral? |
| 22:31.22 | isam | I had issues with the file system |
| 22:31.33 | isam | is tehre a way to regenerate those files ? |
| 22:31.51 | Kvisle | paulswm, no reason except that I want debian - haven't tried Sarge though, but I thought the debian installer was the same? |
| 22:32.11 | bluefox83 | ...maybe i should just run the configuration script for Xfree86...whats the script? |
| 22:32.12 | paulswm | Kvisle: sarge is much easier and is nearly stable anyway |
| 22:32.14 | directhex | Kvisle, the installer is one of the biggest differences |
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| 22:32.36 | directhex | Kvisle, it has 2.4.27/2.6.8 kernels, and their associated hardware support, plus is pleasant to use. |
| 22:32.40 | Oddmonger | bluefox83: xf86config ? |
| 22:32.42 | paulswm | Kvisle: unless you are setting up a secure production server, I'd recommend sarge |
| 22:32.52 | citral | bluefox83: drxx |
| 22:32.55 | citral | bluefox83: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:33.08 | Weems | can i install debian from inside linux? |
| 22:33.09 | isam | can someone please help me.. I am having an error with the file /var/lib/dpkg/available .. is there a way yo regenerate those files ? like a rebuilddb or something |
| 22:33.13 | Kvisle | paulswm, well - I am :) |
| 22:33.19 | isam | Weems: yes you can |
| 22:33.21 | citral | Weems: linux is a kernel |
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| 22:33.25 | paulswm | Kvisle: but if you want woody, then try the df2.4 floppies |
| 22:33.26 | Weems | isam: how? |
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| 22:33.31 | paulswm | bf2.4 |
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| 22:33.46 | isam | Weems: do you have a Deb-based Linux ? |
| 22:33.50 | Weems | no |
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| 22:33.54 | Weems | its mandrake |
| 22:34.01 | Kvisle | paulswm, h'okey - can it be confirmed that these load cciss? |
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| 22:34.36 | Xemacs__ | Weems, i have html file that show you how to do chroot install, sould you like me to send it to yo ? |
| 22:34.42 | Weems | yes |
| 22:34.55 | isam | Weems: the easy way is to reinstall Linux .. the hardway is to get the sources of the dpkg, apt, and thier dependenies (unless there is an RPM for them) and use them |
| 22:35.02 | Oddmonger | What is a "stock kernel" ? Is it a kernel provided by a distribution ? (not compiled by user) |
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| 22:35.07 | isam | I am talking here about the Deb APT not the APT-RPM |
| 22:35.10 | citral | Oddmonger: right |
| 22:35.17 | Weems | mandrake has rpmi |
| 22:35.18 | paulswm | Kvisle: I don't use that controller, but I can confirm that if you google for '"Compaq Smart Array 5i" debian', you'll probably find the info you need |
| 22:35.26 | citral | Oddmonger: in debian it's called kernel-image-xxx |
| 22:35.40 | Oddmonger | ok |
| 22:36.11 | Kvisle | paulswm, I'd believe that too - but I've used MANY hours today looking for that - so I finally got home to ask you guys - but I'll try those boot-disks :) thank you very much |
| 22:36.34 | paulswm | Kvisle: you're welcome, good luck |
| 22:37.10 | Kvisle | thank you very much :) |
| 22:37.25 | paulswm | !beer Kvisle |
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| 22:37.46 | Kvisle | not bad! |
| 22:38.00 | citral | damn good yeah |
| 22:38.06 | paulswm | heh, the bot has some good beer |
| 22:38.15 | Xemacs__ | blootbot as bartender ?? |
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| 22:38.52 | paulswm | !moo |
| 22:38.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 22:38.58 | jorgp | what is the name of the program that will create a boot floppy? |
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| 22:39.40 | isam | please .. isn't there an expert in deb in here ! I have a problem with the file /var/lib/dpkg/available from an fs problem .. isn't there a way to regenerate that ? |
| 22:40.10 | directhex | !available |
| 22:40.10 | dpkg | available is probably run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
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| 22:40.32 | isam | dpkg answered me .. thanks all :) |
| 22:40.32 | dpkg | wish i knew, isam |
| 22:40.41 | elirips | uff, what did they do to 'top'? is mine just broken or doesn't it display ide-time and so on in the new version? |
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| 22:41.27 | Coutsos | hi |
| 22:41.31 | elirips | okay, everything okay again, my xterm has just fucked up. :P |
| 22:41.57 | Coutsos | i was just installing debian and during the package installation, i accidently decided not to install anything |
| 22:42.13 | citral | 113 packages upgraded... it was time I think |
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| 22:42.18 | Coutsos | including an x. what can i do? |
| 22:42.32 | valdyn | !setup x |
| 22:42.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 22:42.43 | citral | Coutsos: apt-get install x-window-system + a window manager |
| 22:43.04 | citral | Coutsos: forget the dpkg factoid |
| 22:43.14 | valdyn | Coutsos: look at what citral said, that factio is more complicated than needed |
| 22:43.17 | Coutsos | wha? |
| 22:43.33 | Lusid | Type apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:43.43 | paulswm | Coutsos: or, you could redo the install if you want other stuff as well as X and you don't want to do them by hand |
| 22:43.45 | Lusid | Then install KDE or gnome or blah. |
| 22:43.54 | Coutsos | right |
| 22:44.00 | Coutsos | well, enlightenment but ok |
| 22:44.01 | Coutsos | thanks |
| 22:44.09 | Lusid | Right. |
| 22:44.19 | directhex | paulswm, that's a bit counterproductive, the sarge install simply runs tasksel |
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| 22:44.42 | citral | that's very lame in fact :))) |
| 22:44.46 | khanman | anyone know why gdm seems to be the default window manager if you use 'desktop environment' in tasksel during sarge install? |
| 22:45.06 | citral | khanman: gdm is not a window manager |
| 22:45.10 | directhex | khanman, gdm is a desktop manager (graphical login), not a window manager |
| 22:45.15 | khanman | sorry |
| 22:45.25 | khanman | i meant d m |
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| 22:45.28 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 22:45.28 | dpkg | xdm is a PITA to configure! |
| 22:45.30 | directhex | khanman, and because gdm > *dm |
| 22:45.52 | paulswm | directhex: you're right, tired, leaving, sorry |
| 22:46.01 | khanman | directhex: why? is it better than say kdm or xdm? |
| 22:46.05 | directhex | khanman, if it has you waking up at night in a cold sweat, then dpkg-reconfigure xdm, pick something else from the installed list |
| 22:46.15 | lupo | Hi! Is anyone able to help me identifying an application on a screenshot? |
| 22:46.22 | nasty | directhex, *dm = evil |
| 22:46.30 | citral | lupo: if you give a link, maybe |
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| 22:46.35 | khanman | directhex: actually im using kdm now |
| 22:46.38 | directhex | khanman, because xdm is only in debian because the 1970s didn't want it, and kdm usually ignores global window nmanager locations, soe doesn';t list everything |
| 22:46.42 | lupo | http://de.lunar-linux.org/xfce4/screenshots/2005-01-09-223724_1600x1200_scrot.jpg |
| 22:46.46 | khanman | just wondering about the default |
| 22:46.47 | lupo | upper right corner |
| 22:46.53 | khanman | dont bite my head off plz :) |
| 22:47.06 | directhex | lupo, gdesklets? |
| 22:47.13 | citral | gdesklets |
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| 22:47.29 | lupo | ahhh...thx...i will try to apt-get it |
| 22:47.32 | paulswm | leaving, y'all stay safe, now |
| 22:47.49 | citral | lupo: remember, it looks nice but EATS YOU RAM |
| 22:47.54 | citral | YOUR |
| 22:48.00 | sussudio | in soviet russia, RAM eats you |
| 22:48.02 | directhex | citral, ram is overrated |
| 22:48.03 | lupo | I have 1Gig. Should be enough? |
| 22:48.05 | Lusid | haha |
| 22:48.11 | citral | oh, ok. |
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| 22:48.17 | valdyn | khanman: there might not be a default but if you set debconf to ask only high priority questions during install and gdm is configured last it might just be for that reason |
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| 22:48.22 | Lusid | Never need more than 640k |
| 22:48.23 | directhex | citral, until you try to play games that need 1.75gb of ram, you don't really value it |
| 22:48.43 | citral | directhex: when you have 128Mb, you do :) |
| 22:48.44 | sussudio | directhex: minesweeper XP? |
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| 22:49.05 | khanman | valdyn: tnx mate...that makes more sense |
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| 22:49.32 | valdyn | khanman: or its vice versa, but anyway the reason might be purely techincal, no idea |
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| 22:50.00 | directhex | sussudio, vampire the masquerade bloodlines. i blame all the python. |
| 22:50.30 | idnar | directhex: python has nothing to do with it, it's just retarded developers |
| 22:50.34 | khanman | i just remember that when i installed woody some months ago...xdm was the default i think..but it did give me the option..when i installed sarge it didnt (used tasksel to pick desktop environ) |
| 22:50.36 | lupo | gdesklets has a lot of dependencies :(. Wondering what it needs nautilus for. Isn't nautilus a file manager? |
| 22:50.41 | simonrvn | idnar: agreed |
| 22:50.52 | Lee__ | sarge's hardware autodection doesn't get my IDE chipset |
| 22:50.52 | citral | If I had 1Gb of RAM, I'd probably wouldn't know what to do with it. I don't like Doom3, unfortunately. |
| 22:50.53 | Lee__ | IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 04) |
| 22:50.57 | idnar | directhex: VtM:B makes fairly limited use of Python |
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| 22:51.08 | simonrvn | python is rather lighter on ram/mem than some other scripting/programming languages |
| 22:51.11 | Lee__ | I have identical hardware with redhat so I know the hardware's fine |
| 22:51.17 | michal_ | is it possible to do ip routing via an ssh tunnel? |
| 22:51.26 | directhex | idnar, it makes extensive use of my ram, though |
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| 22:52.02 | valdyn | Lee__: did you try linux26 aswell? |
| 22:52.13 | kremlyn | lupo: gdesklets is a waste of time |
| 22:52.18 | directhex | well, made. i finished it, depsite the swapping of doom |
| 22:52.27 | Lee__ | my kernel is Linux lee 2.6.8-1-686-smp #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 04:55:00 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:52.37 | Lambo | can the partitions on the system be changed to different sizes after installation? |
| 22:52.48 | simonrvn | Lee__: you forgot something then |
| 22:52.56 | nasty | directhex, any suggestions for streaming video w/ webcam? |
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| 22:53.25 | Lee__ | if I forgot something, it is in part sarge's responsibility cause it hasn't been detected. I can load the module manually but I don't know what it's called |
| 22:53.48 | Lee__ | would a SCSI card accidently blacklist is, perhaps? |
| 22:53.50 | directhex | nasty, a spoon? maybe videolan server? i dunno. i rarely do webcam peepshows, and haven';t since moving to linux. |
| 22:53.55 | sussudio | "A coronal mass ejection (CME) is heading for Earth and extreme geomagnetic storms are possible when it arrives on Jan. 18th or 19th." |
| 22:53.57 | lupo | kremlyn: it looks nice (on the screenshot). I know, I can get the same things visualized with gkrellm, top, df etc. |
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| 22:54.30 | bucky | sussudio, could that lead to data loss? |
| 22:54.34 | iSteve | sussudio, sounds nice ... any effect for Joe Anyone? |
| 22:54.50 | citral | it's the end of the world! |
| 22:54.50 | iSteve | s/for/on/ |
| 22:55.00 | directhex | it's the end of the world as we kow it, and i feel fine |
| 22:55.05 | iSteve | :) |
| 22:55.14 | sussudio | bucky: probably, if you're in canada |
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| 22:55.24 | bucky | the magnetic poles are reversing.. maybe this will be the catalyst |
| 22:55.29 | gahan | Net::FTP: Bad protocol 'tcp' <- anyone knows which package am i missing? |
| 22:56.15 | valdyn | Lee__: thats piix.ko ? |
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| 22:56.21 | digital_ | gahan: thats for perl ? |
| 22:56.22 | epsilon | gahan: says what? |
| 22:56.22 | citral | gahan: what makes you think you miss a package? what are you trying to do? |
| 22:56.29 | kremlyn | lupo: I say that because it's a royal pain in the ass to get installed and working well, and for very little benefit other than some flashy transparent disk usage desklet on your desktop, which is covered by a program half the time :-) |
| 22:56.51 | digital_ | replace 'tcp' with '6' |
| 22:56.51 | gahan | perl |
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| 22:56.54 | dondelelcaro | gahan: eh? what in the world gives you that error? All ftp is done using tcp. |
| 22:57.00 | digital_ | 6 is the protocol numer of TCP |
| 22:57.04 | Lee__ | valdyn: that loaded. cool. |
| 22:57.04 | digital_ | 17 is for UDP |
| 22:57.09 | gahan | perl gave it |
| 22:57.14 | gahan | :) |
| 22:57.19 | gahan | i tried to run a cgi script |
| 22:57.31 | mne | Hi there ! how can I change the priority of a running process ? nice can be used to start a process with other than default priority, but it doesn't work for running processes. |
| 22:57.37 | iSteve | renice |
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| 22:57.57 | gahan | digital_: yes |
| 22:57.59 | gahan | epsilon: perl |
| 22:58.08 | gahan | citral: im trying to run a cgi script |
| 22:58.10 | digital_ | <digital_> replace 'tcp' with '6' |
| 22:58.14 | digital_ | just do that |
| 22:58.15 | gahan | aha |
| 22:58.22 | digital_ | and it will be ok |
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| 22:58.29 | digital_ | <digital_> 6 is the protocol number of TCP |
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| 22:58.47 | citral | digital_: please stop to quote yourself, it's horrible |
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| 22:59.04 | valdyn | Lee__: it probably wont autoload if you dont use some kind of h/w detection package like discover |
| 22:59.06 | gahan | hm there's no "tcp" word in that cgi :-( |
| 22:59.06 | digital_ | just copy paste |
| 22:59.13 | Oddmonger | good night |
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| 22:59.19 | digital_ | arf :/ |
| 22:59.19 | digital_ | dunno then |
| 22:59.31 | Lee__ | valdyn: I'm using the decetion that comes with the sarge installer |
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| 22:59.46 | Lee__ | that's discover, no? it still doesn't see the hard disk lee:/media# mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 22:59.46 | Lee__ | mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist |
| 23:00.11 | citral | Lee__: fix your /etc/fstab then |
| 23:00.23 | valdyn | Lee__: you're still in the installer? |
| 23:00.35 | citral | oh my bad |
| 23:00.36 | Lee__ | no, this is a running system. all my disks are on a scsi controller |
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| 23:00.42 | ^m0se5 | Hi everyone. I tryed to switch to alsa sound and in the process, I did "rmmod emu10k1". When I couldn't get sound to work anymore, I tryed ti go back to oss, "modprobe emu10k1" output the error "FATAL: Module off not found." I have "snd_emu10k1" loaded but it grabed the video capture card, not my soundblaster. Any Help here? |
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| 23:00.56 | lupo | kremlyn: installation was easy so far - I love this apt-* thing :)...but you're right at the point that the're programs which can give me the collected data much faster. I just saw the screenie and thought I like to try it. |
| 23:00.59 | Lee__ | dmesg says nothing about any hd* devices |
| 23:01.10 | valdyn | Lee__: theres no detection that just comes if you install debian |
| 23:01.20 | michal_ | i'm interested in setting up routing via ssh tunnels and I'm not sure where to start. anyone know of any good tutorials and/or scripts/utilities/programs to assist with such a thing? |
| 23:01.26 | Lee__ | how did it find my scsi card then? |
| 23:01.33 | Lee__ | and the network card? |
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| 23:01.53 | citral | Lee__: try 'dmesg | grep -i cd' |
| 23:02.17 | Lee__ | nope. to the kernel, it's not even there. |
| 23:02.31 | valdyn | Lee__: you configured those when installing, try asking in #debian-boot for details |
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| 23:02.49 | Lee__ | alright, thanks. |
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| 23:11.26 | pestilence | i'm trying to get cpudyn working with the 2.6.8-1-686 debian kernel, and it doesn't seem to work |
| 23:11.47 | ^m0se5 | Hi everyone. I tryed to switch to alsa sound and in the process I did "rmmod emu10k1". When I couldn't get sound to work anymore, I tryed to go back to oss, "modprobe emu10k1" output the error "FATAL: Module off not found." I have "snd_emu10k1" loaded but it grabbed the video capture card and not my soundblaster. Any Help here? |
| 23:11.56 | pestilence | i get this |
| 23:11.57 | pestilence | cpudynd: CPU frequency control disabled |
| 23:11.57 | pestilence | Error: Nothing to do, exiting |
| 23:12.44 | pestilence | i tried modprobe'ing p4-clockmod |
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| 23:12.48 | asxas | hey i have a question |
| 23:12.56 | citral | catb.org is down! |
| 23:12.57 | pedro27 | [^m0se5] i think that you must use alsaconf |
| 23:13.11 | citral | taht sux |
| 23:13.23 | ^m0se5 | pedro27, Thanks. I'll try that. |
| 23:13.25 | vulture | citral: been down a couple of days, dunno why |
| 23:14.11 | citral | gah, for luck there are some pages mirrored |
| 23:14.38 | asxas | i cant installed debian it doesn't recongined my sata hd and my scsi |
| 23:14.38 | vulture | google seems to have most of it.. |
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| 23:15.10 | citral | in cache yeah |
| 23:15.15 | GlitchMaster | What is that audio thingy that configures hardware in the terminal and later has a text ASCII-artish representation of an equalizer? |
| 23:15.28 | GlitchMaster | I need to get my Soundblaster Live card recognized... :P |
| 23:15.49 | asxas | i cant installed debian it doesn't recongined my sata hd and my scsi |
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| 23:16.08 | petemc | GlitchMaster: aumix, alsa-mixer |
| 23:16.15 | ^m0se5 | pedro27, if you were closer, I'd kiss ya. Thanks a bunch! |
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| 23:16.15 | directhex | asxas, which version of debian? |
| 23:16.18 | petemc | GlitchMaster: tho that wont configure alsa |
| 23:16.20 | asxas | sarge |
| 23:16.22 | bucky | pestilence, have you looked at this http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~nino/Linux/cpudyn.html |
| 23:16.23 | GlitchMaster | petemc: Thanks. |
| 23:16.26 | ericb_ | anyone knows when I could get a description of DLINK network card drivers name / Card desc ? I'm about to try to modprobe every single modules in /lib/modules/.... |
| 23:16.39 | directhex | asxas, sis controller? |
| 23:16.41 | pedro27 | well |
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| 23:16.42 | GlitchMaster | I needed to run ALSA, but I couldn't remember the name... |
| 23:17.00 | asxas | yes |
| 23:17.02 | ericb_ | or would anyone knows the driver required for DFE-538 |
| 23:17.13 | pestilence | bucky: no, i hadn't seen that |
| 23:17.44 | directhex | asxas, change to a console, type modprobe sata_sis, then go back to the partitioonner, it ought to play nice |
| 23:18.13 | pestilence | bucky: one of my big questions was whether i had to reconfigure the kernel, or if a debian kernel image would work |
| 23:18.14 | bucky | pestilence, second hit on google just below cpudyn Project page with the search term cpudyn |
| 23:18.22 | GlitchMaster | Erm... |
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| 23:18.42 | bucky | pestilence, that page will tell you how to know |
| 23:18.45 | pestilence | bucky: i usually tack on "debian" to my searches |
| 23:18.52 | bluefox83 | ericb_, you might try the tulip drivers for that DLINK |
| 23:18.54 | Ringo999 | hi there. im a total debian nubie, havent used it once. i got a 800mhz athlaon pc standing next to me, waiting to be booted with new os. since i dont wanne seed another wxp evil i was wondering about debian (heard a lot of good things about it). my question though, how good is debian with internationalization. meaning, how good can i switch between different languages. the pc is supposed to work for my italian friends, who are computer i |
| 23:18.54 | Ringo999 | liteates... |
| 23:18.57 | justin | ericb_: what ethernet card does lspci say you actually have. |
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| 23:19.10 | GlitchMaster | petemc: I'm afraid that didn't cause my Soundblaster card to be recognized as I had hoped it would. |
| 23:19.14 | pestilence | recompiling the kernel is not beyond my level of skill, just more time than i wanted to spend on it |
| 23:19.16 | GlitchMaster | Sound Blaster, or Soundblaster? |
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| 23:19.29 | directhex | asxas, also, moan in #debian-boot so they fix the bug |
| 23:19.30 | petemc | GlitchMaster: no, it wouldnt |
| 23:19.52 | GlitchMaster | petemc: Suggestions? |
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| 23:20.00 | justin | petemc: find /lib/modules|grep cpuf |
| 23:20.12 | bluefox83 | Ringo999, should work fine with italian |
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| 23:20.22 | petemc | GlitchMaster: what kernel are you using? |
| 23:20.33 | GlitchMaster | petemc: 6.8, I think. |
| 23:20.40 | GlitchMaster | Possibly 6.7 |
| 23:20.50 | pestilence | bucky: ok...that page convinces me i need to recompile...gov-powersave is not included in my debian modules |
| 23:21.05 | pestilence | thanks. |
| 23:21.11 | bucky | pestilence, you might apt-cache show powernowd |
| 23:21.15 | GlitchMaster | Err.. |
| 23:21.18 | Ringo999 | bluefox83: and how big is the administrational effort. this pc is supposed to work as internet/music(just listening)/office machine... |
| 23:21.24 | GlitchMaster | I meant 2.6.8... not 6.8.. :P |
| 23:21.25 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, try using oss instead of alsa, my soundblaster wouldn't work with alsa of rsome reason |
| 23:22.12 | bluefox83 | Ringo999, you should be able to set it up during the installation, not much effort is required |
| 23:22.24 | pestilence | bucky: works with a 2.6 debian kernel images? |
| 23:22.34 | pestilence | s/images/image |
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| 23:23.31 | Ringo999 | bluefox83: ok. so where do i start. where do i get things. id like to use gnome with it. dont need that fancy kde. or is there any other debian specific recommendation ;) |
| 23:23.40 | pestilence | bucky: i don't think so :-( |
| 23:23.48 | pestilence | oh well...i guess i'll recompile |
| 23:23.58 | bluefox83 | Ringo999, do you already have the iso burned to cd? |
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| 23:24.33 | bucky | pestilence, Description: control cpu speed and voltage using 2.6 kernel interface |
| 23:24.37 | bucky | can you read |
| 23:24.41 | dud | hmm, i just realized that my gnome doesnt have any sound |
| 23:24.58 | pestilence | bucky: yes, but it depends on modules. but thanks for your patience! |
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| 23:25.09 | streuner__ | dud: no sound at all? |
| 23:25.13 | dud | is /dev/dsp the sound device usually? |
| 23:25.14 | bucky | pestilence, you might apt-cache show powernowd |
| 23:25.22 | GlitchMaster | Err... ALSA should work fine, but I killed the (GNOME?) volume control accidentally, and now aumix won't start. |
| 23:25.26 | dud | streuner__, not even play test.wav works |
| 23:25.26 | directhex | dud, on oss, yes |
| 23:25.30 | GlitchMaster | li'l help, here? |
| 23:25.39 | streuner__ | dud: only OSS or OSS emulation |
| 23:25.44 | pestilence | bucky: i did |
| 23:25.49 | directhex | dud, /dev/dsp is usually a symlink to /dev/dsp? where ? is 0 or higher |
| 23:25.50 | Ringo999 | bluefox83: nope, nothing burned, nothing d/led |
| 23:25.54 | bucky | pestilence, It does not depend on APM or ACPI |
| 23:25.57 | dud | i have no idea :( |
| 23:26.00 | directhex | !tell Ringo999 about d-i |
| 23:26.00 | pestilence | bucky: nowhere does it say that the requisite kernel modules are built by defuault in the debian kernels |
| 23:26.03 | streuner__ | dud: what do you use OSS or ALSA? |
| 23:26.10 | pestilence | bucky: only that it doesn't depend on acpi or apm |
| 23:26.18 | pestilence | bucky: it still depends on cpufreq modules |
| 23:26.18 | dud | erm, i have no /dev/dsp |
| 23:26.31 | GlitchMaster | Heheh... Lots of audio stuff right now. :P |
| 23:26.35 | streuner__ | dud: usually you modprobe the soundmodule |
| 23:26.38 | bucky | pestilence, /nick pest |
| 23:26.39 | pestilence | bucky: but actually i think it does work, you just have to modprobe cpufreq-userspace |
| 23:26.42 | bluefox83 | Ringo999, ok, i suggest going to the website and downloading the 3.1 net-installer iso, and burn it to cd (make sure it's bootable and your bios is set to boot from cd) |
| 23:26.42 | dud | but i have all the snd, snd_intel8x0 stuff |
| 23:26.50 | dud | all the usual snd modules seems allright |
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| 23:26.56 | Rebecca | hi, i just installed a base fileserver system from a sarge disk and then installed blackbox+xfree+deps.. how do i start X? startx and xinit dont work |
| 23:26.57 | streuner__ | dud: ok, that's ALSA |
| 23:27.09 | directhex | dud, how about snd_pcm_oss? |
| 23:27.12 | pest | bucky: blowme |
| 23:27.24 | directhex | Rebecca, HOW did you install xfree? |
| 23:27.28 | bucky | pest, come back with the same question tomarrow |
| 23:27.31 | dud | directhex, nope :/ |
| 23:27.37 | Ringo999 | bluefox83: oko thx. ill find my way. |
| 23:27.39 | dud | should i modprobe it? |
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| 23:27.52 | directhex | dud, why would you have thre oss soiund device on an alsa system without the oss emulation loaded? |
| 23:28.00 | GlitchMaster | Err... |
| 23:28.02 | GlitchMaster | 'lo? |
| 23:28.07 | dud | directhex, i dont have any /dev/dsp |
| 23:28.21 | dud | i really havent tested sound after i installed heh |
| 23:28.21 | GlitchMaster | Err... ALSA should work fine, but I killed the (GNOME?) volume control accidentally, and now aumix won't start. To restore this = ? |
| 23:28.21 | directhex | dud, yes, i know, because you don'#t have snd_pcm_oss |
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| 23:28.37 | bluefox83 | Ringo999, it's been a while but i think the installer asks you what language to use and what you're using the machine for, it should download some packages for you to get you started, if you have any problems, this is definately the place to get help =) |
| 23:28.38 | theine | is there a way to view my current readline settings? |
| 23:28.39 | directhex | dud, snd modules mean alsa. alsa doesn't use /dev |
| 23:28.48 | streuner__ | dud: what versio of debian do you use, installed over d-i? |
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| 23:29.00 | streuner__ | s/versio/version/ |
| 23:29.02 | dud | streuner__, amd64 sarge |
| 23:29.05 | directhex | dud, if you want /dev/dsp, you need to load the oss emulation modules snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss |
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| 23:29.08 | Rebecca | apt-get install blackbox |
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| 23:29.24 | directhex | Rebecca, that doesn't install x. apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:29.30 | bluefox83 | hey, what kernel should i use for an amd sempron processor? |
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| 23:29.48 | directhex | bluefox83, k7 |
| 23:29.49 | bluefox83 | should i use 686, 386 or what? |
| 23:29.54 | Rebecca | directhex: ok |
| 23:30.01 | streuner__ | bluefox83: k7 |
| 23:30.07 | directhex | !sempron |
| 23:30.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sempron is AMD's new (2004) budget line of 32-bit processors, to replace the Duron line. Sempron 2800+ and lower are socket A; 3100+ and higher are socket 754. See <k7>. |
| 23:30.08 | bluefox83 | directhex, why k7? |
| 23:30.19 | dud | when i type play test.wav now after loading those two... i get no sound, but it says that it plays it |
| 23:30.20 | streuner__ | !factinfo sempron |
| 23:30.21 | dpkg | sempron -- last modified at Tue Dec 28 17:21:40 2004 by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70; it has been requested 4 times, last by directhex, 14s ago. |
| 23:30.27 | dud | is there any mixers installed? |
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| 23:30.29 | dud | are |
| 23:30.36 | directhex | dpkg, sempron is also a Thoroughbred core Athlon XP (k7) by a flashy name |
| 23:30.37 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 23:30.42 | Rebecca | thanks directhex :) |
| 23:30.45 | SlayerXP | can someone fix that factoid, it's incorrect. |
| 23:30.52 | streuner__ | bluefox83: because |
| 23:30.56 | dud | now we're talking... i just used gnome's mixer |
| 23:31.07 | SlayerXP | the sempron has nothing to do with the duron |
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| 23:31.26 | bluefox83 | streuner__, would running a 686 kernel with that proc cause it to reboot when it's not being used sometimes? |
| 23:31.31 | GlitchMaster | Err... |
| 23:31.32 | GlitchMaster | Nevermind. |
| 23:31.34 | streuner__ | SlayerXP: /msg dpkg fortget foo, /msg dpkg sempron blah blah? |
| 23:31.36 | GlitchMaster | I hadn't loaded the drivers properly. |
| 23:31.37 | directhex | technically sempron does replace fduron as amd's budget line |
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| 23:31.53 | sigma957 | how can you tell what packages were recently updated on unstable? |
| 23:31.55 | dud | i hear bagpipes |
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| 23:32.10 | SlayerXP | directhex: no, AMD have dropped the sempron, and renamed the Athlon XP series to "Sempron". it's the same core with the same cache |
| 23:32.12 | streuner__ | bluefox83: well, my sempron works with 686 too, but k7 has the optimized codes there... |
| 23:32.15 | dud | thanks folks :D |
| 23:32.20 | SlayerXP | dropped the duron, I mean |
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| 23:32.36 | dud | ill add snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss to my /etc/modules then? |
| 23:32.39 | valdyn | sigma957: by looking at the ml debian-devel-changes |
| 23:32.42 | streuner__ | SlayerXP: but the sempron is slower. |
| 23:32.56 | directhex | SlayerXP, yes. they dropped a budget line of processors, and brought in a budget line of processors1 how _DARE_ the factoid claim that they dropped duron and brought in sempron! |
| 23:32.58 | streuner__ | s/slower/not that fast/ |
| 23:33.04 | bluefox83 | streuner__, whats the difference between k7 and k7 smp? |
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| 23:33.10 | im_ka | hi |
| 23:33.17 | directhex | bluefox83, smp for multi-processor systems |
| 23:33.17 | sigma957 | valdyn: thanks |
| 23:33.22 | streuner__ | bluefox83: SMP to use mulitple CPU's |
| 23:33.22 | bluefox83 | ooooh |
| 23:33.25 | streuner__ | !smp |
| 23:33.25 | dpkg | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/ |
| 23:33.29 | im_ka | is there an app i can limit the bandwith on a specific port? |
| 23:33.31 | SlayerXP | compiling specifically for k7 produces very little performance gain |
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| 23:33.53 | SlayerXP | AMD chips _assume_ that they'll be dealing with code compiled for intel processors and aggressively reorder |
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| 23:34.27 | streuner__ | bluefox83: if you have 1 CPU on your mobo just use the image without SMP |
| 23:34.30 | nasty | sit0 = first USB ethernet device? |
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| 23:34.39 | bluefox83 | SlayerXP, my machine keeps rebooting in the middle of the night for no reason, and i'd like to cover all the bases before assuming i got a crappy machine |
| 23:34.40 | Rebecca | does anything special need to be done for debian to make use of a smp box? |
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| 23:34.42 | mrwill | nasty: don't think so. |
| 23:34.42 | directhex | nasty, sit0 = ipv6-ipv4 tunnel |
| 23:34.47 | GlitchMaster | Ergh... |
| 23:34.54 | mrwill | Rebecca: use smp kernel, that's it. |
| 23:34.54 | GlitchMaster | I've configured ALSA, and it still won't work. |
| 23:34.54 | im_ka | is there an app with which i can limit the bandwith on a specific port? |
| 23:34.55 | GlitchMaster | >.< |
| 23:34.59 | directhex | Rebecca, install an smp kernel, done |
| 23:35.09 | streuner__ | im_ka: /msg dpkg repeat |
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| 23:35.23 | Rebecca | cool bananas :) |
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| 23:35.59 | streuner__ | im_ka: usually the app itself should use that feature. |
| 23:36.12 | GlitchMaster | Alright, let me repeat... again. |
| 23:36.13 | im_ka | thanks |
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| 23:36.34 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, why not try using OSS instead of alsa? |
| 23:36.45 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, less crap to set up :) |
| 23:36.47 | GlitchMaster | I've configured ALSA and installed the drivers for this card. However, it is not working. The volume control, as evidence of this, will not budge. |
| 23:36.59 | mrwill | GlitchMaster: alsamixer doesn't work? |
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| 23:38.11 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, what makes you want to use alsa instead of OSS anyways? |
| 23:38.23 | mrwill | bluefox83: some apps require it |
| 23:39.02 | bluefox83 | mrwill, like what? nothing i have used requires alsa, even the games i have used work fine with oss |
| 23:39.14 | mrwill | bluefox83: mostly pro audio stuff. |
| 23:39.29 | GlitchMaster | Mrwill: It works, but the sound card is not responding. Mixers will run, but no sound is produced. I know that the card isn't working because GNOME's volume control won't budge from zero. |
| 23:39.43 | bluefox83 | mrwill, professional audio "stuff" should give you the option to pick your sound daemon |
| 23:39.52 | mrwill | GlitchMaster: so you tried running alsamixer, and it did what? |
| 23:40.01 | streuner__ | GlitchMaster: try a different mixer |
| 23:40.12 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, you might try checking to see if everything is plugged in correctly :/ |
| 23:40.18 | GlitchMaster | mrwill: it ran fine, but produced no sound. |
| 23:40.21 | mrwill | bluefox83: yeah, but it won't work very well and have good latencies with oss. |
| 23:40.27 | mrwill | GlitchMaster: and the soundcard isn't muted? |
| 23:40.43 | streuner__ | bluefox83: GNOME volume manager has some known issues ... |
| 23:40.46 | bluefox83 | mrwill, why do you say that? i use OSS and it sounds excellent |
| 23:41.07 | bluefox83 | streuner__, so why use it? there are other volume controlers |
| 23:41.10 | mrwill | bluefox83: then you aren't doing any pro audio level work. |
| 23:41.15 | GlitchMaster | bluefox: That doesn't matter at the moment. The card is not muted, but the volume control on GNOME will not move. This is the same behavior I got with the on-board audio chip. |
| 23:41.31 | mrwill | GlitchMaster: so really, the problem is with this gnome volume control. |
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| 23:41.39 | GlitchMaster | Of course, with said chip, if I ran (and inevitibly crashed) XMMS, it suddenly worked. |
| 23:41.40 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, kill gnome's mixer, and restart it |
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| 23:41.46 | streuner__ | bluefox83: because GlitchMaster mentioned he used it without success? |
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| 23:42.14 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: ll /dev/snd/controlC1* |
| 23:42.32 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: ls /dev/snd/controlC1* |
| 23:42.50 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: ls /dev/snd/control* (ops, sorry ) |
| 23:42.50 | GlitchMaster | ls: /dev/snd/controlC1*: No such file or directory |
| 23:42.50 | bluefox83 | thing is, i use to use alsa, and i had sound problems, then when i installed this card i forgot how to set it to use a card, and ended up using OSS, it works better for me |
| 23:42.54 | FlopsyPete | when installing packages I sometimes get this error, is it worth reporting them as a bug each time?: |
| 23:42.54 | FlopsyPete | ** (process:4554): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 23:43.10 | GlitchMaster | Thanks. |
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| 23:43.24 | bluefox83 | FlopsyPete, i get that error too sometimes..no idea what it is though O.o |
| 23:43.33 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: That just returned /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 23:43.34 | mrwill | bluefox83: well, it's fine for most applications. |
| 23:43.50 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: thats your mixer device, just checking if its there |
| 23:43.56 | GlitchMaster | Ah. |
| 23:44.04 | GlitchMaster | Well, valdyn, what should I do? |
| 23:44.05 | bluefox83 | mrwill, i was unaware anyone make professional sound applications for linux.. |
| 23:44.10 | GlitchMaster | Kill it and restart it? |
| 23:44.10 | bluefox83 | *made |
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| 23:44.43 | nasty | er, first usb network device = sit0 ? |
| 23:44.44 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: you using sarge or sid? |
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| 23:44.54 | mrwill | bluefox83: there is some open source, nothing commercial. you are ignorant of many things. |
| 23:44.55 | GlitchMaster | Valdyn: Sarge. |
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| 23:45.41 | FlopsyPete | bluefox83: I just had it for 5 different apps when I installed 'gnome' |
| 23:45.42 | GlitchMaster | Holy shit... I just realized that the versions of debian are named after characters in Toy Story. |
| 23:45.44 | valdyn | !msg dpkg reverse depends |
| 23:45.46 | bluefox83 | mrwill, i don't have the free time i use to, so i don't get to hear about them. plus i don't really do anythign that requires professional sound manipulation |
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| 23:46.15 | rob0 | sit0 is not a USB device. |
| 23:46.21 | GlitchMaster | Woody: (Obvious) Sarge: Toy soldier commander. Sid: Evil kid next store who destroys toys. |
| 23:46.31 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: have you rebooted since installing alsa? |
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| 23:46.37 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: No... |
| 23:46.45 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: Somebody else suggested that. I didn't think it was neccessary. |
| 23:46.48 | GlitchMaster | I should probably do that. |
| 23:46.54 | FlopsyPete | bluefox83: there's an explanation here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg01325.html |
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| 23:47.18 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: i dont know, /etc/init.d/alsa force-restart might not work in sarge as it does in sid, but try |
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| 23:48.04 | bluefox83 | FlopsyPete, interesting |
| 23:48.31 | GlitchMaster | Valdyn: I shall. |
| 23:48.42 | GlitchMaster | First, however, I must again state this: |
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| 23:49.14 | xerxes1358 | Is there a linux gaming channel on freenode ?? |
| 23:49.20 | alindeman | xerxes1358: Would you stop the /amsg ? |
| 23:49.21 | GlitchMaster | The three versions of Debian are named after characters in the movie Toy Story! Woody is obvious, but Sarge is the toy soldier commander, and Sid is the evil kid next door. :D |
| 23:49.23 | alindeman | It's quite annoying :) |
| 23:49.32 | bluefox83 | bbl trying new k7 kernel |
| 23:49.56 | petemc | GlitchMaster: three? |
| 23:49.57 | michal_ | what the hell is a T permission bit? |
| 23:49.58 | nasty | anyone know what the device name should be for first USB network device? it's a wireless card so I was expecting wlan0 but I'm not getting anything |
| 23:50.04 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: theres alot more than 3 |
| 23:50.07 | alindeman | michal_: Sticky bit |
| 23:50.08 | xerxes1358 | alindeman, stop what ? |
| 23:50.09 | GlitchMaster | Well... |
| 23:50.14 | GlitchMaster | Name the others with official titles. |
| 23:50.15 | bluefox83 | dang, forgot to update lilo.. |
| 23:50.24 | alindeman | xerxes1358: Asking that same thing in 10 different channels |
| 23:50.27 | petemc | bo, hamm, potato |
| 23:50.28 | alindeman | All at the same time ... |
| 23:50.32 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: all from toystory, potatoe, slink,etch |
| 23:50.43 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: I win! :D |
| 23:50.45 | xerxes1358 | alindeman, why, is that not allowed ? |
| 23:50.45 | GlitchMaster | O_<; |
| 23:50.52 | GlitchMaster | I will go and reboot, now... >.> |
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| 23:50.54 | alindeman | xerxes1358: It's generally pretty aggrevating |
| 23:50.59 | GlitchMaster | Reboot X, or the whole system? |
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| 23:51.19 | xerxes1358 | alindeman, well to rest a sure I did get not 1 good replay |
| 23:51.25 | xerxes1358 | reply* |
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| 23:51.45 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: x doesn't matter , only the relevant services like udev / hotplug / alsa ( if that one really works in sarge ) do |
| 23:51.52 | GlitchMaster | Oh. Okay. |
| 23:51.58 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: so restarting the whole system is probably easier |
| 23:52.32 | xerxes1358 | alindeman, anyway if I am so annoying to you I just leave |
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| 23:52.37 | GlitchMaster | Alrighty, valdyn. Thanks. |
| 23:52.48 | peterS | we'll miss xerxes, won't we? |
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| 23:53.48 | spdf | er..ah...I will... |
| 23:53.57 | spdf | Him and I...*Tear*...like brothers.. |
| 23:54.07 | |rufius| | peterS: we will miss him like a festering, hideous, boil |
| 23:54.16 | jegarner | why does debian haven't xmms-wma ? how can i hear wma with xmms now ? |
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| 23:54.39 | peterS | jegarner: write a codec for wma that doesn't infringe on Microsoft's copyrights or patents, and then debian will have xmms-wma |
| 23:54.46 | thingfish | can't we all just get along? |
| 23:54.47 | streuner__ | jegarner: try mpalyer or xine |
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| 23:55.06 | jegarner | peterS, but xmms-wma exists, not by debian |
| 23:55.07 | streuner__ | jegarner: make sure you have the codec installed, done. |
| 23:55.14 | jegarner | streuner__, thx |
| 23:55.18 | asxas | how can i load sata? |
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| 23:55.33 | streuner__ | jegamer: it won't play with xmms |
| 23:55.36 | jason | is there a place where archives of past released packages are kept? |
| 23:55.43 | |rufius| | asxas: load sata? as in SATA interface for harddrives? |
| 23:55.48 | peterS | jegarner: did you read the part of my sentence that said "that doesn't infringe on Microsoft's copyrights or patents"? |
| 23:55.49 | jason | specifically, i'm looking for tomcat < 4.1.30 |
| 23:55.53 | streuner__ | jason: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 23:56.35 | jason | streuner: thx |
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| 23:58.45 | GlitchMaster | It didn't work. |
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| 23:59.07 | streuner | !didn't work |
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| 23:59.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:59.07 | Xeon2 | Does anybody know how to install grub to my new fstab mounted /boot partition when I originally had LILO installed in the MBR? |
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| 23:59.21 | andax | in ps aux i only see memory usage in %. how can i tell ps to list it in mbytes or something? |
| 23:59.28 | ik-386 | hello |
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| 23:59.31 | peterS | Xeon2: same way you would if lilo weren't installed. uninstall lilo then do the usual |
| 23:59.39 | ik-386 | any one can helpme? |
| 23:59.48 | Xeon2 | Just apt-get grub? |
| 23:59.50 | PF | Hewwo |
| 23:59.56 | streuner | ik-386: maybe, if you ask. |
