| 00:00.12 | PF | Ask and you shall receive |
| 00:00.26 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: have you done what dpkg said about alsa? /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 00:00.57 | PF | Or is that "Be carefull what you ask for, you may get it" |
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| 00:02.02 | bluefox83 | whoa..new kernel makes stuff run much faster :) |
| 00:02.09 | bryndza | Can You give me some help?I downloaded,compiled a insteled drivers for ATI Radeon 9250 grapfics card, module fglrx loads perfectly, i konfigure XFree86 config file, restart X server, i computer freeze, i look into logs, and nothing suspisious in XFree86.log, but in syslog i see the system restarts himself...but i only have blank screen, no restart |
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| 00:02.22 | bryndza | Debian Sarge - 2.6.8-1 kernel |
| 00:02.23 | pelos | :) |
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| 00:02.56 | PF | Hey Sarge |
| 00:03.02 | PF | Linux thewave2 2.4.18 #2 Thu Apr 11 14:37:17 EDT 2002 sparc64 unknown |
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| 00:03.24 | loswillios | I just installed the xorg-deb but after a "startx" I'm not sure if it's really started, though Xfree86-deb was removed. It looks all the same... |
| 00:03.47 | loswillios | How can I identify which X-System was started? |
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| 00:03.56 | valdyn | loswillios: top |
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| 00:04.09 | GlitchMaster | valdyn, yes, I have read all of that. |
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| 00:04.10 | directhex | !get xorg |
| 00:04.11 | dpkg | [get xorg] Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. |
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| 00:04.16 | GlitchMaster | Well, rather, it wasn't of much use. |
| 00:04.19 | nokia6000 | "xterm -fs 20" did not make font size bigger |
| 00:04.22 | directhex | see the 'not supported here'? ask whomever have you the packages |
| 00:04.42 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: It's not muted, and the sound is hooked up correctly, but I still get nothing. |
| 00:05.01 | GlitchMaster | The GNOME volume control now works, but nothing gives me sound. |
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| 00:05.18 | mvhurja | how to configure debians ftp server ? |
| 00:05.46 | mvhurja | or where to conf |
| 00:05.51 | Xenguy | mvhurja: which ftp server? |
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| 00:06.04 | ericb_ | deb don't come with a ftp server |
| 00:06.09 | oarko | I am installing linux on my laptop for the first time, and i have an issue where the screen wrapps from the bottom back about 3 lines at the top, any sugestions? |
| 00:06.10 | ericb_ | so install one and configure it |
| 00:06.15 | loswillios | directhex: ok... |
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| 00:06.35 | loswillios | it's XFree86 running anyway |
| 00:06.42 | mvhurja | ericb_ : i think i have it installed.. |
| 00:06.42 | bluefox83 | great, for some reason xfree86 is gobbling up ram, and my system was frozen for about 10 seconds.. |
| 00:06.56 | mvhurja | just need to conf and start |
| 00:07.05 | Xenguy | mvhurja: I was researching this a few days back, and vsftpd looks like the best (GPL) bet AFAICT (YMMV) |
| 00:07.19 | ericb_ | mvhurja : then man <name of your ftp server> |
| 00:07.24 | GlitchMaster | How might I aquire OSS? |
| 00:07.35 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: whats "nothing?" tried aplay? |
| 00:07.36 | GlitchMaster | apt-get install OSS != get |
| 00:07.43 | ericb_ | lol |
| 00:07.48 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: ...aplay? |
| 00:08.00 | ericb_ | modprobe yoursoundcardmodule |
| 00:08.01 | ericb_ | here we go |
| 00:08.16 | ericb_ | for me modprobe i810_audio worked perfectly |
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| 00:08.53 | ericb_ | if you have bf24 kernel OSS is already compiled as a module GlitchMaster |
| 00:09.10 | GlitchMaster | ericb_: ...then what do I do?! |
| 00:09.12 | ericb_ | and I think every debian kernel package comes with a OSS module |
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| 00:09.20 | ericb_ | GlitchMaster : READ ! |
| 00:09.22 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: i dont know what apps youre trying or if they support alsa at all, try modprobe snd-seq-oss and modprobe snd-pcm-oss, then you can use your old apps / settings, if alsa is "ok" |
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| 00:10.54 | ZeroZ | qucik question, how to i change my settings from dhcp to static ip such that i can still use apt and stuff ... i changed /etc/network/interfaces but then apt says cannot resolve any addresses |
| 00:10.55 | bluefox83 | i don't think my system likes the k7 kernel, it's hanging a lot now.. |
| 00:11.12 | ericb_ | what's your cpu ? |
| 00:11.27 | bluefox83 | cpu[AMD Sempron(tm), 1333.586 MHz (2637.82 bogomips)] |
| 00:11.33 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: You don't understand the problem... It's an ordinary app.. and... AHA! /dev/dsp is in use by another program! |
| 00:11.40 | GlitchMaster | What to do, though? |
| 00:11.48 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, whats using it? |
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| 00:11.51 | GlitchMaster | Kill it? That won't fix it for future use... |
| 00:11.52 | GlitchMaster | Um.. |
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| 00:11.59 | asxas | damn i cant get my sata hd working with debian it doesn't reconized the hd |
| 00:12.07 | asxas | any ideas what can i do? |
| 00:12.10 | Fluten | i installed debian stable, and vim doesn't seem to be showing umlauts in files, is there something i need to enable to do this? |
| 00:12.16 | |rufius| | asxas: what kernel |
| 00:12.21 | asxas | 2.4 |
| 00:12.22 | bluefox83 | asxas, is your bios recognising it? |
| 00:12.23 | ericb_ | bluefox83 : not shure that's a k7 |
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| 00:12.31 | |rufius| | asxas: 2.4. what? i need more specific number |
| 00:12.34 | asxas | bluefox83nope |
| 00:12.40 | asxas | it doesn't reconized nothing |
| 00:12.49 | asxas | |rufius| i dont know i cant installed it and i dind't saw the kernel |
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| 00:12.56 | |rufius| | asxas: which version of debian? |
| 00:13.01 | asxas | sarge |
| 00:13.02 | ericb_ | bluefox83 : cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep cpu family |
| 00:13.07 | bluefox83 | asxas, debian wont recognise it if your bios can't, that means you have a jumper or something wrong, make sure it's plugged in correctly |
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| 00:13.25 | |rufius| | because after 2.4.22 i believe, thats when libata was included into the 2.4 kernel, 2.6 has always supported SATA w/ libata |
| 00:13.27 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 00:13.31 | asxas | it is because windows reconized it |
| 00:13.39 | |rufius| | asxas: which version of debian? |
| 00:13.43 | asxas | sarge |
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| 00:13.55 | |rufius| | asxas: odd, what chipset? (i have one running w/ sarge right now) |
| 00:14.10 | GlitchMaster | It just gives "4452"... |
| 00:14.11 | asxas | is a sata and a scso |
| 00:14.27 | bluefox83 | ericb_, grep: family: No such file or directory |
| 00:14.29 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: ps aux | grep 4452 should give you the name |
| 00:14.32 | |rufius| | i mean your motherboard, is it sis, via, or nfroce? |
| 00:14.35 | |rufius| | nforce* |
| 00:14.35 | ericb_ | bluefox83 : cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep cpu family |
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| 00:14.53 | bluefox83 | ericb_, i just did that X.x |
| 00:14.55 | asxas | is an intel p4 |
| 00:15.01 | bluefox83 | where do you tihkn i got the error? |
| 00:15.02 | ericb_ | bluefox83 : cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep cpu |
| 00:15.03 | ericb_ | sorry |
| 00:15.11 | ericb_ | bluefox I made a error sorry |
| 00:15.23 | bluefox83 | cpu family : 6 |
| 00:15.23 | bluefox83 | cpu MHz : 1333.586 |
| 00:15.23 | bluefox83 | cpuid level : 1 |
| 00:15.24 | oarko | anyone know a good sorce for info on installing linux with an LCD? |
| 00:15.37 | ericb_ | that's a k6 |
| 00:15.38 | GlitchMaster | Something called "esd" |
| 00:15.48 | GlitchMaster | valdyn /\ |
| 00:15.54 | ericb_ | GlitchMaster : you runs esd |
| 00:15.55 | |rufius| | asxas: not your processor type, the chipset used for your north/south bridges on the motherboard, that which controls pci, integeration of peripherals on the board, VIA, SiS, Intel i8x5, nForce, one of those |
| 00:15.57 | asxas | theres no way to install sata? |
| 00:15.59 | oarko | My Screen is Overlapping itself |
| 00:16.03 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, esd is the enlightenment soudn daemon |
| 00:16.03 | ericb_ | then ask your apps to use esd GlitchMaster |
| 00:16.06 | asxas | is a nforce |
| 00:16.13 | bluefox83 | *sound |
| 00:16.14 | GlitchMaster | ...?! |
| 00:16.25 | |rufius| | asxas: nforce 2 or nforce 3? |
| 00:16.27 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: ok, youre using gnome, i assume, deactivate sound in gnome, Applications->Settings->Sound or somesuch |
| 00:16.37 | asxas | 3 |
| 00:16.47 | ericb_ | GlitchMaster : perhaps you should use esd |
| 00:16.52 | ericb_ | esd is good |
| 00:16.57 | ericb_ | just make your apps use it |
| 00:17.00 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: esd sucks |
| 00:17.01 | |rufius| | asxas: odd, nforce3 works pretty well with SATA... hmmm, so the sarge installer just doesn't pick it up? |
| 00:17.02 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, kill esd, restart alsa, and scrap esd if you are deadset on using alsa |
| 00:17.08 | asxas | so theres no way to installed sata at all? |
| 00:17.16 | asxas | nope it doesn't |rufius| i cant see my partitions |
| 00:17.36 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: but indeed you can make many sound apps make use esd |
| 00:17.42 | |rufius| | asxas: odd, try installing Ubuntu linux, or any other distro that uses a 2.6 kernel by default |
| 00:17.53 | asxas | i dont like it i only like deb |
| 00:17.55 | mvhurja | where is ftpd conf file ? |
| 00:18.07 | GlitchMaster | .... |
| 00:18.11 | |rufius| | asxas: then try googling around for the issue |
| 00:18.15 | ericb_ | mvhurja : why don,t you find it by yourself ?? |
| 00:18.18 | ericb_ | mvurja man find |
| 00:18.27 | GlitchMaster | I don't know how to configure apps to use a certain sound daemon. |
| 00:18.28 | asxas | i cant load sata with modprobe |
| 00:19.00 | GlitchMaster | I don't know exactly how to restart ALSA, either. |
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| 00:19.06 | |rufius| | asxas: like i said, google is your friend |
| 00:19.07 | asxas | i ready did, modprobe sata-sis and modprobe sata_sis |
| 00:19.08 | loswillios | GlitchMaster: yeah i want to use xmms and mplayer at the same time.. |
| 00:19.11 | GlitchMaster | I've been on Linux for a friend... |
| 00:19.12 | directhex | asxas, what do you _MEAN_ by 'load sata'? |
| 00:19.12 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: you dont need to restart alsa |
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| 00:19.24 | directhex | asxas, you said you had sis, now you have nvidia. make up your mind |
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| 00:19.49 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: Well, would you mind clearing things up regarding what I SHOULD do? |
| 00:19.50 | asxas | sorry is a sis |
| 00:19.53 | asxas | is a scso |
| 00:19.54 | directhex | asxas, and my work pc is a happy sata-based nforce3 machine running debian, so the problem isn't as general as you seem to suggest |
| 00:20.04 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: that depends on your goal, tell me |
| 00:21.00 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: I just want to have working audio that starts when Linux starts and functions correctly. |
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| 00:21.46 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: which application specifically needs to work? |
| 00:21.47 | GlitchMaster | And, by "functions correctly", I mean it works with whatever method of producing audio, through whatever application. |
| 00:22.05 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: ...All of them... |
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| 00:22.25 | directhex | i'd help, but it's early night time for me |
| 00:22.25 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: ...Mainly Totem Movie Player, XMMS, and midi devices. |
| 00:22.46 | DrPete | i like asterisk so much I think I will build a new server for it amongst other things. Is there any hardware to be avoided? Anything recommended |
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| 00:23.27 | bluefox83 | anyone know of a command or piece of software that can report my cpu temp? |
| 00:23.28 | ericb_ | DrPete : that's true asterisk rocks |
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| 00:23.43 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: Applications->Settings->Complex->Multimedia System, select esd for output |
| 00:23.43 | ericb_ | bluefox83 i2o howto |
| 00:23.47 | ericb_ | or something like that |
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| 00:23.55 | hanoi_pm | how to find which package contains a specified file on this channel? |
| 00:24.03 | bluefox83 | !i2o |
| 00:24.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, i2o is The I2O standard is designed to simplify and speed up I/O operations on servers. It will eliminate the need for different drivers for each OS, and for each SCSI card and network card. The speedup is achieved by using an Intel 960 chip on the server's motherboard to handle a lot of the I/O processing that would normally be handled by the processor or I/O subsystem. |
| 00:24.04 | directhex | bluefox83, apt-get install lm-sensors && sensors-detect && sensors |
| 00:24.08 | GlitchMaster | Valdyn: This is GNOME, not KDE. |
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| 00:24.23 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: yes, i know, this is what you should do on gnome |
| 00:24.30 | GlitchMaster | It doesn't have a "Settings" menu. |
| 00:24.41 | hanoi_pm | !find slappasswd |
| 00:24.44 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: well then desktop-settings, look |
| 00:24.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'slappasswd' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/slappasswd) in net/ldap-utils. |
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| 00:24.57 | Malach | quick question - Debian on a dual opteron - viable without Mammoth Pain yet, or should I go to a lesser distro for this? |
| 00:24.58 | kbrooks | i have a problem |
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| 00:25.03 | kbrooks | !find |
| 00:25.15 | sleon|lap | which file saves the changed permissions of other files so they not changed on next update? |
| 00:25.15 | kbrooks | errr |
| 00:25.19 | GlitchMaster | Found it. |
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| 00:25.46 | la | hola como estas |
| 00:26.03 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: this fixes gnome apps like totem / rhythmbox |
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| 00:26.08 | ericb_ | la : #debian-es ? |
| 00:26.09 | samuel | la: en debian-es hablan espaƱol |
| 00:26.16 | directhex | Malach, depends whether you want a 64bit userspace |
| 00:26.27 | kbrooks | i have a package (monodevelop) that i am trying to install |
| 00:26.31 | GlitchMaster | Valdyn: Should GNOME fail to create a pipeline upon testing OSS? |
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| 00:26.37 | ericb_ | Malach : I wouldn't recomand a 64bit userspace |
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| 00:26.40 | kbrooks | however |
| 00:26.42 | directhex | Malach, amd64 sid is as painful as i386 sid, which is sid out of 10 on the pain scale |
| 00:26.47 | kbrooks | it fails with |
| 00:26.48 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: yes, chose esd |
| 00:26.56 | Malach | directhex: I'm a lowly sysadmin type - can you explain a bit more? |
| 00:26.58 | directhex | Malach, but sarge contains amd64 kernels in its 32bit userspace, so static 64bit apps will run |
| 00:27.03 | kristoffer | i have 3 computers, 1 debian, and 2 others, win/suse, that all have their own external ip, on the debian comp im running apache + samba, and my problem is that the debian server only gives me my max bandwith speed that is 65kb/sec, out to the internet, it dosnt "let me" download at 100mbits witch is my LAN speed, its only from the debian server this happends, it does not happen if i download from feks the suse computer from the windo |
| 00:27.03 | kristoffer | ws ccomputer |
| 00:27.08 | Malach | hmmm. |
| 00:27.15 | kbrooks | monodevelop: Depends: libgtksourceview-cil (>= 0.5) but it is not installable |
| 00:27.15 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.29 | Malach | I have an install, with a custom kernel done - just hitting major issues getting simple stuff (like mysqladmin) to run... |
| 00:27.35 | directhex | kbrooks, running sid? |
| 00:27.42 | Malach | and hitting confusion on google results. |
| 00:27.42 | kristoffer | this suddenly occured today, heh |
| 00:27.42 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: esd is not a direct choice. The only one it has pre-configure is OSS. I'll have to do custom. Please, what are the pipeline labels for input and output? |
| 00:27.44 | kbrooks | directhex: testing |
| 00:27.44 | samuel | anyone know of a doc that tells of tales of cups and how to connect a net printer? all i seem to find is how to connect windows to cups and use printer conf tool? |
| 00:27.45 | directhex | Malach, an install of what? |
| 00:28.09 | bucky | Malach, in debian 64 ? |
| 00:28.14 | Malach | woody as a base - but can upgrade to sarge or sid if that's likely to help. |
| 00:28.17 | kbrooks | directhex: and i understand that these packages are pre release packages |
| 00:28.20 | valdyn | GlitchMaster: oo, you might be missing the relevant gstreamer-esd plugin, i cant assist you with that though, i have to go.. sorry |
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| 00:28.31 | GlitchMaster | Damn... |
| 00:28.35 | GlitchMaster | Anyone else willing to help with this?! |
| 00:28.36 | directhex | Malach, woody on dual opterons? you do know opterons didn';t even exist when woody was made? |
| 00:28.46 | directhex | kbrooks, no errors here |
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| 00:28.59 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: quickly, any idea of how to get said plugin? |
| 00:29.09 | kbrooks | directhex: are you sure |
| 00:29.10 | ericb_ | GlitchMaster : why don,t you google ? |
| 00:29.17 | GlitchMaster | Erf... -_- |
| 00:29.22 | directhex | Malach, at _LEAST_ run i386 sarge. or amd64 sid. |
| 00:29.33 | GlitchMaster | ericb_: Becuase google gives thousands of crap sites and five correct ones. |
| 00:29.38 | directhex | Malach, woody really should never see this side of post-july-2002 hardware |
| 00:29.50 | Malach | directhex: will a dist-upgrade get me there, or would I be better to reinstall? |
| 00:29.52 | directhex | kbrooks, apt-get install monodevelop shows no errors |
| 00:30.03 | directhex | Malach, i'd reinstall from d-i if you've not gotten anywhere yet |
| 00:30.05 | nictuku | can you guys recommend a way to translate web pages where I don't have to worry (better, not even see) the HTML code part? In other words, extract text, translate, and insert that again. |
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| 00:30.23 | directhex | Malach, and if you decide you want 64bit userspace, you can't go from i386 to amd64 without reinstalling |
| 00:30.37 | kbrooks | directhex: tried to install the target package that it mentions, but it isn't installable |
| 00:30.38 | Malach | directhex: thanks for your help, much appreciated :) |
| 00:30.50 | vulture | nictuku: babelfish?.. |
| 00:31.03 | gahan | how do i check what starts first: mysqld or pure-ftpd? |
| 00:31.04 | directhex | Malach, for sarge, /msg dpkg d-i. for sid, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 00:31.07 | nictuku | vulture: hmm I'll try it, thanks |
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| 00:31.17 | ericb_ | Malach : but remember a 64bit userspace will sucks unless you really needs apps that use 10 gb of ram... |
| 00:31.21 | directhex | !info libgtksourceview-cil sarge |
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| 00:31.52 | directhex | kbrooks, you're right, the package is absent in sarge |
| 00:32.03 | Malach | even more help - thanks again :) |
| 00:32.05 | sleon|lap | which file controls permissions of system installed files?? |
| 00:32.08 | bob2 | gahan: ls -1 /etc/rc2.d/S* |
| 00:32.11 | bob2 | sleon|lap: none |
| 00:32.16 | nictuku | is there a gnome- alternative to babelfish? I'm on a dialup, it would take a lot of time to get all required libs, I guess. |
| 00:32.23 | sleon|lap | bob2, hrm |
| 00:32.25 | GlitchMaster | Oh look, it's an apt-get package. -_- |
| 00:32.26 | kbrooks | directhex: hmmm, what can i do |
| 00:32.30 | bob2 | sleon|lap: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:32.34 | sleon|lap | bob2, on mandrake there is such thing for all important ones |
| 00:32.37 | directhex | kbrooks, how are you trying to install monodevelop? |
| 00:32.44 | sleon|lap | bob2, removing suids from some system files |
| 00:32.45 | gahan | bob2: thanks |
| 00:32.51 | kbrooks | directhex: |
| 00:32.53 | sleon|lap | bob2, and don't want them reappear again after the update |
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| 00:33.07 | kbrooks | 'working pre-packages: deb http://www.meebey.net/debian/mono-suite ./' |
| 00:33.15 | GlitchMaster | Installed, but no listing. |
| 00:33.37 | bob2 | sleon|lap: there's something for that in Debian, but I forget what it's called |
| 00:33.41 | kbrooks | directhex: taken from #debian-mono's topic |
| 00:33.42 | bob2 | not dpkg-registersuid tho |
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| 00:34.01 | directhex | kbrooks, well i'm just going by the packages in sid which work fine |
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| 00:34.58 | kbrooks | directhex: well, the question is: what can i do |
| 00:35.42 | GlitchMaster | ...I'm starting to crack, here. |
| 00:35.55 | GlitchMaster | This problem has been driving me insane for a long time. |
| 00:36.00 | GlitchMaster | Let me put this very simply. |
| 00:36.05 | vulture | nictuku: I was refering to the altavista web based babelfish.. |
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| 00:36.27 | samuel | ok: i have looked in google! alot! but nothing... how do i get a debian computer to print in the printer connected to another debian computer? im using cups... |
| 00:36.38 | GlitchMaster | I don't care what device I use, I don't care what daemon I use, I just want sound. Good, working sound. |
| 00:36.54 | SaidinUnleashed | GlitchMaster, have you tried alsa? |
| 00:36.55 | ericb_ | I have question... Currently setting up a debian router (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html) is a really good document btw... and I'm having problems configuring eth1 device... every modules I try to modprobes refuse to loads... do I need to pass as a module parameter that the module should behave as eth1 and not as eth0 ? I also read the ethernet howto. in this document, it asks to edit /etc/modules |
| 00:36.55 | ericb_ | .conf and add lines alias eth0 module/alias eth1 module... however cat /etc/modules.conf |grep eth0 returned nothing.. and also editing /etc/modules.conf isn't recommended in debian... |
| 00:37.00 | ericb_ | any hints on how to proceed ? |
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| 00:37.37 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, kill esd, set xmms to use oss, then give it a try, that should work fine |
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| 00:37.49 | Fredz | hi all, can't read security announces in Thunderbird Debian/unstable since yesterday, is it normal ? |
| 00:37.51 | kbrooks | directhex: i guess i'll grab and compile from source |
| 00:37.57 | samuel | ive added the Allow from lines... to cups config... anything else i might have missed? |
| 00:37.57 | Fluten | I was using sarge, and then went back to woody. Now when i type in "setxkbmap ru", it switches to qwerty instead of the ru layout |
| 00:38.08 | Fluten | (from dvorak) |
| 00:38.10 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: How do I set xmms to use OSS? |
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| 00:38.21 | nictuku | vulture: nvermind, translate-docformat seems to be what I was looking for. thanks |
| 00:38.22 | GlitchMaster | I also need to do that with Totem. |
| 00:38.30 | caphuso | Fluten: what do you mean with "went back to woody"? |
| 00:38.41 | directhex | kbrooks, sounds like a lot of effort when there are monodevelop packages in sarge |
| 00:38.44 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, in preferences, set your output plugin to oss driver |
| 00:38.45 | themime | how do i reload packages? it said something about /usr/sbin/something? |
| 00:38.49 | GlitchMaster | Alright. |
| 00:39.00 | ericb_ | In this computer there's a via-rhine and a DLINK, I tried to modprobes both modules via-rhine and the required module for my dlink card and nothing works... |
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| 00:39.09 | Fluten | caphuso: was having problems with sarge, so i re-installed debian |
| 00:39.20 | directhex | *sid |
| 00:39.29 | vulture | themime: how very vague.. |
| 00:39.39 | Fluten | is sid the testing one? |
| 00:39.47 | caphuso | Fluten: no |
| 00:39.55 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, you may want/need to toy with the options in the oss driver thingy, just click "configure" once you've chosen that one, and it has options to chose form that make things much easier |
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| 00:40.09 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, sound quality is really nice with oss too |
| 00:40.18 | SaidinUnleashed | GlitchMaster, in the preference window for Xmms, choose OSS as your output plugin |
| 00:40.35 | bluefox83 | SaidinUnleashed, i already told him that... |
| 00:40.44 | themime | i used woody, and i messed up while using dselect, and i need to go back and install packages |
| 00:40.47 | SaidinUnleashed | sorry, small window |
| 00:40.52 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, let me know if it works :) |
| 00:41.18 | edt | xine is not using Xv. xvinfo shows Xv is supported. I remember someplace a one liner using ln to fix this. Ring bells for anyone? |
| 00:41.51 | kbrooks | directhex: hmmm, i'll have to risk using the sid version of the package that was reported in the error |
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| 00:42.21 | OctalTHOR | Does anybody here actively administer a project on Sourceforge? |
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| 00:42.28 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I killed esd. XMMS was already configured to OSS. |
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| 00:42.38 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, is it working? |
| 00:42.40 | GlitchMaster | Wait a second... |
| 00:42.49 | GlitchMaster | I think I might have something plugged in backwards, on top of all of this. |
| 00:42.53 | GlitchMaster | XMMS is working, not crashing. |
| 00:42.56 | GlitchMaster | Things look positive. |
| 00:43.00 | GlitchMaster | This could be good. |
| 00:43.11 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: This was also a problem. |
| 00:43.29 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: At one point I had switched two plugs on my audio gauge, not being able to see the proper input/output. |
| 00:43.31 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, did i not tell you almost an hour ago to make sure everything was plugged in correctly? |
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| 00:43.57 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Again, that was fine to begin with. I changed it LATER. There were still problems in software. This still needed to be done. Relax. |
| 00:44.09 | kzar | trying to get my tv card working, do i need to recompile the kernel or is the stuff needed in the debian kernel image? |
| 00:44.11 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, so sound works now? |
| 00:44.13 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: You still helped me. |
| 00:44.16 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Hold on. |
| 00:44.20 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I'll tell you in a moment. |
| 00:44.25 | spdf | kzar, Which card? |
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| 00:44.44 | kzar | spdf: technotrend dvb-t 1200 premium from memory |
| 00:44.47 | Guerin | !hornyclue |
| 00:44.47 | dpkg | methinks hornyclue is Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 00:44.48 | Xeon2 | How can I print completely random characters to the screen to fill it up? |
| 00:45.05 | mtnman | xeon2: cat /dev/urandom ? |
| 00:45.09 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 00:45.29 | Xeon2 | mtnman That could work, however it also prints \0 |
| 00:45.32 | bluefox83 | Xeon2, pound your head against the keyboard |
| 00:45.32 | Xeon2 | Which screws things up |
| 00:45.43 | kzar | spdf: do you know what modules to probe? |
| 00:45.45 | kbrooks | \0? |
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| 00:45.59 | Xeon2 | Null |
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| 00:46.24 | kbrooks | and why does \0 screw things up |
| 00:46.39 | kzar | learn c to find out why |
| 00:46.53 | mtnman | xeon2: filter out \0 with sed or something. |
| 00:47.03 | Xeon2 | I was thinking that...hrm |
| 00:47.05 | hippo | Xeon2: cat -v /dev/urandom ? |
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| 00:47.32 | andax | how can I see how much memory my processes use? (in ps output i only see %, i need mbytes or something) |
| 00:47.47 | bluefox83 | andax, top |
| 00:48.03 | spdf | kzar, Pretty sure you need to build the modules for that.. |
| 00:48.13 | andax | top is not a solution here because i need to use the output in a bash script |
| 00:48.20 | sleon|lap | andax, in the manpage of ps there is explain how to define ps output, i would suggest you to read it, i can't recall exact options now |
| 00:48.21 | |rufius| | andax: use top |
| 00:48.28 | kzar | spdf: do you meen compile kernel myself but select the right stuff? |
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| 00:48.39 | GlitchMaster | OSS IS NOT CONFIGURED TO THE SOUNDBLASTER CARD! |
| 00:48.45 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 00:48.48 | andax | sleon|lap i did it but could not find anything. i'll read it again |
| 00:48.51 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, configure it |
| 00:48.53 | mtnman | andax: have you explored man ps? i would imagine there is a suitable switch.... |
| 00:48.53 | GlitchMaster | Please tell me... how to access OSS config. |
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| 00:49.24 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, you configure it in xmms, it even has the option of what device to use |
| 00:49.24 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: HOW?! WHERE?! GYAAAAH! |
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| 00:49.53 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: To configure the card...? |
| 00:50.04 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: But that won't configure Totem and the rest.. They don't work. |
| 00:50.07 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, remember where you told it to use oss? hit the configure button in there, it'll tell it where your card is |
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| 00:50.47 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, trust me grasshopper, this will make things work..i don't know how but everything seems to pick up on xmms's settings when you do that |
| 00:50.55 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: It did nothing. |
| 00:50.58 | doub | andax: you can use /proc/<pid>/stat which is explained in 'man proc' |
| 00:51.17 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, what are the devices you told it to use? |
| 00:51.33 | KillerBunny | Where does debian save its package configures? |
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| 00:51.58 | doub | andax: or better statm |
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| 00:52.29 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, there is a lil bar in there that says "audio devices" click that and see what it has listed in there, should have your soundcard and any integrated soundcard you have on your motherboard |
| 00:52.33 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: The only other devices there are. The mixer device was definitely the Sound Blaster card, the audio device is not EMU10k1. |
| 00:52.42 | GlitchMaster | now* |
| 00:52.51 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, that is correct |
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| 00:53.04 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, we happen to have the same soundcard ;) |
| 00:53.18 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Ah. Well, that doesn't help the fact that THIS ISN'T WORKING! ._. |
| 00:53.35 | GlitchMaster | (sorry, I don't mean to yell..) |
| 00:53.36 | btsdev | i can't get the ip of my headless server :/ .. anyone know a way to scan to see what pcs on a subnet are running web servers on 80? |
| 00:53.48 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, you now need to run your mixer |
| 00:53.52 | Lee__ | btsdev: man nmap |
| 00:53.53 | Guerin | btsdev: nmap |
| 00:53.55 | andax | doub can you explain what "statm" is a little bit more detailed? |
| 00:53.57 | btsdev | thanks |
| 00:54.10 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Please explain with a speck of detail... |
| 00:54.28 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Which mixer do you mean, and how? |
| 00:54.33 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, holdon, i have to try to remember what command to use..i have a headache so it may take a moment |
| 00:54.50 | GlitchMaster | Alright. My apologies. |
| 00:55.18 | bluefox83 | arg, i'm not remembering -_- |
| 00:55.26 | GlitchMaster | -.-; |
| 00:55.26 | petemc | try an ice pack |
| 00:55.33 | doub | andax: i don't know, just looked quickly through 'man proc' and statm seems to fit exactly your needs |
| 00:55.37 | petemc | or some aspirin |
| 00:55.44 | GlitchMaster | I'll just use the damned nvidia chip, if that works. |
| 00:55.46 | GlitchMaster | Let me try. |
| 00:56.20 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, you know you gotta have your speakers hooked into your soundcard to use the soundcard right? |
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| 00:56.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:56.32 | petemc | *bam* |
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| 00:56.57 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Of course. Just now, I switched them to the board's audio ports to test that device, which I am about to do. |
| 00:57.02 | bluefox83 | what i mean by that is, you should have an integrated soundcard, which you don't want to use, and the soundblaster..make sure everythign is plugged into the soundblaster |
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| 00:58.01 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I know. It was. Now I'm trying the board's device (with applied settings), and sound is now plugged into it. I got nothing. |
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| 00:58.48 | GlitchMaster | Going back to the soundblaster, now. |
| 00:58.52 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, what speakers do you have? |
| 00:59.20 | theturtl1 | anyone know what my options are for encrypting my FS? I have a lot of questions that I need to find out answers too, maybe someone could recommend a good reference? |
| 00:59.38 | KillerBunny | how do i see which packages that are install on the current system? |
| 01:00.00 | hippo | KillerBunny: dpkg -l |
| 01:00.00 | cliechti | make-kpkg buildpackage reports "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `conf_vars'. Stop." whats wrong... i got the kernel trough apt-get source, ernel 2.6.8 + debian patches |
| 01:00.05 | bluefox83 | theturtl1, google knows all |
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| 01:00.10 | blackmariah | KillerBunny: Aptitude or synaptic for the easiest way. |
| 01:00.31 | themime | whats the other program debian uses to install packages besides deselect |
| 01:00.38 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Trust me, it's not the speakers. They're the complexity equivilant of headphones with a DC adapter. Nice Altec ones, though. |
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| 01:00.55 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, no on/off button and volume control? |
| 01:01.15 | doub | KillerBunny: you can also try dpkg --list |
| 01:01.17 | guru | stupid peer |
| 01:01.22 | KillerBunny | thanks |
| 01:01.24 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Yes. The volume is turned up, and they're working. There is response when the plug touches the metal. I know electronics. It's the software that's giving me hell right now. |
| 01:01.34 | hippo | theturtl1: cfs, losetup(8) |
| 01:01.58 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, i don't recall having to set anything up... |
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| 01:02.04 | Seb | how do i find what runlevel i'm in right now ? |
| 01:02.10 | directhex | Seb, 2. |
| 01:02.12 | baronsamedi | GlitchMaster, if that's the case, you stuck a multimeter/oscillator on your speaker jack? (just being safe) |
| 01:02.13 | doub | Seb: runlevel |
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| 01:02.17 | Seb | doub: thx |
| 01:02.20 | bluefox83 | try aumix, i think that has something in it that will check to see if you have a mixer running |
| 01:02.27 | guru | sudo apt-get install xterm |
| 01:02.31 | guru | gah wrong window damnit |
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| 01:02.37 | npx | hi |
| 01:02.39 | petemc | GlitchMaster: have you disabled the onboard card in the bios? |
| 01:02.47 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Would it interest you to know that originally, before the sound blaster, when I was using the on-board audio, I was having problems with sound. However, I could start XMMS, attempt to play and stop a song. It would crash. Then audio would work. |
| 01:02.49 | Seb | directhex: i know debian does 2 by default, but your answer makes a lot of assumptions :> |
| 01:02.52 | doub | Seb: man is your friend 'man -k <thing>' |
| 01:03.00 | andax | hmmm it says i'm in runlevel 2.. is that normal? :))))))) |
| 01:03.00 | npx | GlitchMaster your nick is apt =) |
| 01:03.17 | directhex | Seb, assumptions which are valid more often than not |
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| 01:03.23 | npx | andax, yeah, that's debian's default runlevel I think |
| 01:03.24 | Seb | doub: nice, I rarely use -k |
| 01:03.49 | Seb | directhex: yeah, well, those are.. assumptions, still |
| 01:03.58 | JoeSchmoe | My SANE is segfaulting every 2 2/3 pages, waaaaaaaah |
| 01:04.05 | GlitchMaster | petemc: ...No... |
| 01:04.10 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, lol. that doesn't suprise me, i've crashed xmms pretty hard before, infact if i try to unload the playlist while listening to a song, it crashes both xmms and my mixer |
| 01:04.19 | Seb | directhex: matter of fact one of the boxes i have a shell on is in runlevel 3 right now |
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| 01:04.42 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: but starting and killing it somehow got audio working, where it was not working previously. |
| 01:04.44 | npx | Man, I like juk. It's the best mp3 player ever, imo |
| 01:05.03 | JoeSchmoe | I like xmms except it doesn't have a cdplay option |
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| 01:05.13 | blackmariah | Here's a fun one for you. I installed Sarge about a week ago. Both of my hard drives were recognized and worked correctly. A few days later I upgrade to kernel 2.6.10 and now /dev/hdb1 has disappeared. Sort of. It isn't in fstab or mtab, but shows up under fdisk -l as a 40GB EZ-Drive. Does anyone have a clue what's going on? |
| 01:05.18 | npx | There's a cd player plugin for xmms, I think |
| 01:05.29 | JoeSchmoe | oh yaa, I'll look for it |
| 01:05.38 | npx | I use kscd to play CDs, it has nice cddb integration and whatnot |
| 01:05.41 | bluefox83 | yeah there is a cdplayer plugin, but i think you gotta find it on their website |
| 01:05.55 | vulture | xmms has a cd player by default, but there's xmms-cdread which is better than the default |
| 01:06.04 | bluefox83 | not sure it's in apt (someone should do something about that!) |
| 01:06.11 | npx | vulture, really? I seem to recall it not having one. Been a while, though. |
| 01:06.36 | JoeSchmoe | Does the xmms package have CD player by default? Hmm...I don't see it |
| 01:06.42 | GlitchMaster | I hope I haven't been forgotten... |
| 01:06.55 | skyisblue | blackmariah: /deb/hda1? |
| 01:07.06 | bluefox83 | no GlitchMaster, you're this evening's main source of entertainment |
| 01:07.18 | blackmariah | skyisblue: ? |
| 01:07.32 | bluefox83 | i hate to say this, but your constant glitches are very entertaining |
| 01:07.36 | blackmariah | hda1 is still there and working fine. |
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| 01:08.01 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Alas... My Debian certainly is living up to its owner's namesake, eh? |
| 01:08.16 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, no kidding |
| 01:08.17 | doub | blackmariah: what does dmesg say ? |
| 01:08.28 | npx | GlitchMaster what's your problem, anyways? |
| 01:08.47 | bluefox83 | npx, despite the fact that we have configured his system correctly, his sound does not yet work |
| 01:08.57 | GlitchMaster | npx: The Soundblaster card is not responding. Neither is the onboard audio chip. It acts as though it is successfully outputting sound, but I get nothing. |
| 01:09.01 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, last thing i can think of is to restart X |
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| 01:09.08 | npx | Heh, did you turn the volume up? |
| 01:09.23 | GlitchMaster | npx: ...Yes. |
| 01:09.28 | npx | Are you *sure*? |
| 01:09.31 | hippo | blackmariah: the installer have owrwritten your old /etc/fstab? |
| 01:09.36 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, ctrl alt backspace |
| 01:09.38 | GlitchMaster | npx: YES, DAMNIT! |
| 01:09.43 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I know. |
| 01:09.44 | npx | I don't think you are |
| 01:10.02 | npx | ALSA or OSS? |
| 01:10.07 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, restart X real quick and come on back, let me know if it works |
| 01:10.14 | bluefox83 | npx, he's tried them both |
| 01:10.22 | GlitchMaster | npx: The buzzing when the speaker plug touches metal covers that, and the multiple instances of me dragging the virtual volume bar up seem to support my certainty of the volume being up as well. |
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| 01:10.28 | doub | GlitchMaster: maybe the mixer misuses names (here i have an alsa-driven card which uses 'pcm2' as master, and master does nothing) |
| 01:10.40 | npx | Exactly, doub |
| 01:10.54 | npx | And you also have *input* volume, which you need to turn up as well |
| 01:11.17 | cliechti | is somebody using make-kpkg at all? |
| 01:11.26 | resiak | !anyone |
| 01:11.26 | npx | My suggestion: get mp3blaster and, and use 't' and '>' to turn ALL of the mixers completely up |
| 01:11.26 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:11.34 | resiak | s/anyone/somebody/ |
| 01:11.35 | debian | cliechti: most of us does |
| 01:11.44 | GlitchMaster | npx: Why would input volume matter at the moment? It's output that we're focusing on. |
| 01:12.03 | GlitchMaster | doub: Any idea regarding a solution to this problem? |
| 01:12.05 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, cus comp[uters can be wonky sometimes |
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| 01:12.10 | blackmariah | doub: What am I looking for in dmesg? |
| 01:12.12 | bluefox83 | *computers |
| 01:12.25 | bluefox83 | there's a reason leo laporte use to call them personal confusers >.> |
| 01:12.29 | blackmariah | hippo: I guess. I really don't know. The hard drive WAS working correctly, and being recognized. :| |
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| 01:12.35 | npx | GlitchMaster, Soundcards have multiple sources of input...line-in, line, microphone |
| 01:12.36 | doub | blackmariah: some info about hd<some letter>, or your IDE controller |
| 01:12.38 | ik-386 | any one use debian ppc? |
| 01:12.48 | cliechti | debian, no problems compiling a 2.6.8? it aborts here with "conv_vars" no beeing found by make and i dont know how to solve that |
| 01:12.57 | GlitchMaster | npx: Fine, I'll crank everything up. Happy? |
| 01:12.58 | cliechti | s/no/not |
| 01:13.04 | petemc | GlitchMaster: you should disable you onboard card in the bios, reboot, check to see discover has loaded the modules for your soundblaster, then try messing about with mixers/xmms etc |
| 01:13.14 | npx | No, I'm still pretty non-plussed |
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| 01:13.29 | doub | GlitchMaster: i'd say you might check which devices your app uses, the mixer settings (turn them all up) |
| 01:13.30 | jasz | hello |
| 01:13.49 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, have you restarted X like i suggested to see if that would help? |
| 01:13.52 | blackmariah | hdb: max request size: 1024KiB |
| 01:13.52 | blackmariah | hdb: 80043264 sectors (40982 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=16383/255/63, UDMA(33) |
| 01:13.52 | blackmariah | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.05 | doub | blackmariah: use #flood for this purpose |
| 01:14.17 | bluefox83 | afk |
| 01:14.18 | blackmariah | Yeah, sorry. Thought that would be one line. |
| 01:14.35 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Clearly I have not. I'll give it a shot. |
| 01:14.37 | GlitchMaster | I'll be back |
| 01:14.38 | GlitchMaster | -_-; |
| 01:14.55 | doub | blackmariah: your disk is still here, but your kernel uses devfs, so it's named /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0 |
| 01:15.10 | jasz | i'm getting an error while trying to open a .swf (flash) file using Firefox... failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted] has anyone had this problem before? |
| 01:15.25 | blackmariah | wtf? |
| 01:15.49 | doub | !devfs |
| 01:15.49 | dpkg | [devfs] a virtual fs, like /proc, but for /dev, so that you only have the files in /dev that you need . Located at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/kernel-patches.html, Ask me about 'devfsd', 'devfs howto', or apt-get install devfsd, or http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html, or it isn't impossible to get working, but sometimes a big PITA, or http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105851630726585&w=2, or a bad idea! |
| 01:16.08 | GlitchMaster | I'll be back. |
| 01:16.13 | bluefox83 | ok |
| 01:16.22 | bluefox83 | we'll wait for you |
| 01:16.31 | kzar | does anyone know what modules i need to probe for dvb tv cards? |
| 01:16.32 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 01:16.35 | npx | Well, I won't |
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| 01:17.03 | bluefox83 | kzar, what kinda card? O.o |
| 01:17.20 | kzar | pci |
| 01:17.33 | bluefox83 | lspci should tell you what card you're using |
| 01:18.02 | bluefox83 | and that will help us determine what drivers you need |
| 01:18.02 | directhex | kzar, i suggest reading up on it. myhtv's website should have links |
| 01:18.03 | kzar | i know, its a technotrend 1200 dvb-t premium |
| 01:18.08 | directhex | kzar, and nebula-electronics links to some linux howtos from their support section |
| 01:18.22 | bluefox83 | technotrend? O.o |
| 01:18.24 | directhex | isn;'t that ~= a hauppauge? |
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| 01:18.27 | doub | blackmariah: note you can still use the old names, as long as devfs is not mounted, and /dev contains the appropriate entries, to refer to it |
| 01:18.27 | spdf | yeh |
| 01:18.27 | kzar | i have been searching! i just cant find what module it is, somthing like linuxtv but that isnt on my pc apparently? |
| 01:18.42 | GlitchMaster | It just occured to me that I never checked to see if the card was muted under OSS. |
| 01:18.45 | directhex | technotrend as a german oem that build for hauppauge |
| 01:18.47 | GlitchMaster | I don't know how to access OSS's card config. |
| 01:18.56 | GlitchMaster | Or rather, its mixer. |
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| 01:19.10 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I was checking under ALSA. -_-; |
| 01:19.12 | kzar | its a sweet card, had to get it shipped from germany, hardware decoding and everything |
| 01:19.17 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 01:19.17 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: The stress got to me. |
| 01:19.30 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Any idea what might run the OSS mixer? |
| 01:19.31 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, is the sound working now? |
| 01:19.37 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: No. |
| 01:19.45 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, aumix will run it |
| 01:19.45 | kzar | I suppose the thing is, is linuxtv the right module to probe? if so i guess i have to recompile the kernel |
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| 01:20.11 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Well, in that case, it is not muted. |
| 01:20.23 | doub | GlitchMaster: be shure to tell aumix what mixer to use if it's not /dev/mixer |
| 01:20.36 | blackmariah | So... how the hell do I get my hard drive back? lol |
| 01:20.38 | GlitchMaster | doub: ..how? |
| 01:20.57 | doub | GlitchMaster: man aumix |
| 01:20.59 | petemc | GlitchMaster: chnaging mixer levels will have no effect if the correct modules are not loaded for your card |
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| 01:21.08 | Meaw | anyone has done a PPPoE freeraduis server? |
| 01:21.15 | skyisblue | abrotman: what object? |
| 01:21.19 | directhex | kzar, http://www.linuxtv.org/ |
| 01:21.23 | doub | blackmariah: it's there. fdisk -l /dev/hdb should display its partitions |
| 01:21.25 | blackmariah | I'm seriously confused now. I have no /dev/ide |
| 01:21.29 | kzar | im on that page now directhex |
| 01:21.31 | GlitchMaster | petemc: Well, the correct modules are loaded under ALSA. I need to check them under OSS! >_< |
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| 01:21.31 | abrotman | oh crap |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | run |
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| 01:21.33 | directhex | kzar, they make dvb drivers, poke about on there |
| 01:21.39 | doub | blackmariah: because devfs is not mounted |
| 01:21.52 | Turaldane | Hey guys any ideas how i can change the language in debain??? |
| 01:22.00 | petemc | GlitchMaster: you're making assumptions |
| 01:22.02 | GlitchMaster | According to bluefox83, XMMS should be able to control OSS's config. |
| 01:22.02 | kzar | directhex: i am but im having problems finding out what the module actualy is |
| 01:22.06 | doub | blackmariah: but that's a Good Thing(TM) |
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| 01:22.16 | bluefox83 | it can |
| 01:22.36 | blackmariah | It's a good thing I can't use my hard drive? *scratches head* |
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| 01:22.46 | mtnman | turaldane: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:22.48 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, are you using a debianised kernel or a custom kernel? |
| 01:22.52 | blackmariah | In case you can't tell, I'm WAY over my head on this one. |
| 01:23.03 | doub | blackmariah: it's a good thing devfs is not mounted |
| 01:23.06 | directhex | kzar, ttpci |
| 01:23.11 | GlitchMaster | petemc: What am I assuming? The system is using OSS. I had previously configured ALSA, but can't select ALSA in the system audio daemon selection under GNOME. |
| 01:23.15 | macpato | Turaldane, #dpkg-reconfigure locales, in the second screen choose the locases of your native tongue |
| 01:23.18 | Xeon2 | What modules should I have modprobed to use a psaux mouse on X? |
| 01:23.23 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: "debianised", as you put it. |
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| 01:23.30 | doub | blackmariah: what does 'fdisk -l /dev/hdb' tells you ? |
| 01:23.30 | Turaldane | mac: thanks |
| 01:23.35 | kzar | directhex: damn its not found :o |
| 01:23.49 | blackmariah | #flood |
| 01:23.54 | petemc | GlitchMaster: how do you know its using OSS? |
| 01:23.58 | Xeon2 | Can anybody help me? |
| 01:24.05 | directhex | kzar, so build it. also, investigate ivtv |
| 01:24.08 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, do lspci and look for a line like this --> 0000:00:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| 01:24.08 | GlitchMaster | petemc: That's what's selected. |
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| 01:24.17 | petemc | GlitchMaster: selected where? |
| 01:24.20 | bluefox83 | if it's not there, something is wrong |
| 01:24.29 | cliechti | Xeon2, devfs? mousedev + psmouse |
| 01:24.39 | kzar | directhex: does building it meen kernel recompiling? |
| 01:24.53 | Xeon2 | awesome |
| 01:24.54 | Xeon2 | thanks |
| 01:25.01 | bluefox83 | Xeon2, modprobe psmouse |
| 01:25.14 | directhex | kzar, not neccessarily. read the docs, ask on their irc channel |
| 01:25.32 | GlitchMaster | petemc: in the GNOME mutlimedia devices config thingy. |
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| 01:25.48 | Turaldane | Bugger I setup the Lanuage to English (United Kingdom) and now the KB is fucked when i try hittin the pound sign i get stupid " any ideas on how i can fix this |
| 01:25.54 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, why are you using the gnome multimedia configuration tool? |
| 01:26.05 | Turaldane | I thought it was just the locales but obviously not |
| 01:26.14 | kzar | directhex: what docs, i am reading that page still and i have yet to find any actual information of which modules and how to install |
| 01:26.18 | GlitchMaster | 0000:01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07 ) |
| 01:26.23 | GlitchMaster | Newer revision, but it's there. |
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| 01:26.38 | bluefox83 | ok, then the problem is between oss and your speakers.. |
| 01:26.51 | bluefox83 | got somethign else to test the speakers on? |
| 01:26.56 | bluefox83 | like a walkman or something |
| 01:26.58 | petemc | bluefox83: how can you be sure of that? |
| 01:27.02 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: It's not between card and speakers. I tripled checked that. I already tested them. |
| 01:27.13 | bluefox83 | petemc, i use the same soundcard as GlitchMaster |
| 01:27.26 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: The speakers worked fine before, when I had audio via crashing XMMS, and they buzz when the plug touches metal. |
| 01:27.38 | booyaa | hey all |
| 01:27.56 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, have you tried something like gnomecd to see if it can play from your cdrom? |
| 01:28.09 | bucky | lsmod |grep emu10k1 |
| 01:28.15 | GlitchMaster | bluefox86: No. |
| 01:28.23 | Guerin | it's a fucking sblive, one of the best supported soundcards in linux |
| 01:28.28 | kantai | uh GlitchMaster, have you tried it with esd off?s |
| 01:28.37 | Guerin | how the fuck can you not get this going? |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | Guerin: i can guess! |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: did you install discover? |
| 01:29.03 | bluefox83 | Guerin, i don't know, but GlitchMaster is definately living up to his nick.. |
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| 01:29.28 | booyaa | would anyone suggest a proper mailing list to discuss issues with module-assistant and creating a deb package for nvidia (the debian way) on kernel 2.6.8? i'm not using the nvidia installer (although it has problems as well) so nvidia forums don't seem right, google has nothinv even close to log error messages, and i'm not sure if there are debian specific mail lists where i can ask more questions ... any tip would be helpfull. |
| 01:29.28 | GlitchMaster | bucky: That gives me everything the card has. Including midi and game port details. |
| 01:29.31 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: No. |
| 01:29.36 | bluefox83 | all of this thinking is making my brain hurt =( |
| 01:29.37 | Turaldane | When i installed Debian Sarge i setup my language as English (United Kingdom) now I have a problem with my keyboard when ever i hit "#" it comes up like this " ' " any ideas whats i can do to fix this??? |
| 01:29.37 | Guerin | bluefox83: what, mastering the glitches? Sounds to me like he should /nick GlitchSlave |
| 01:29.49 | GlitchMaster | Installing discover. |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: install it |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: now |
| 01:30.14 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: I am. |
| 01:30.17 | kantai | GlitchMaster: have you tried turning off esd? or running xmms to esd? |
| 01:30.33 | kantai | GlitchMaster: it may be a |
| 01:30.33 | Guerin | Turaldane: english UK is a keymap; not a locale. If you have a US keyboard, use english US |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | does his sound work at all? |
| 01:30.42 | bluefox83 | kantai, we're trying the easiest to configure daemon first.. |
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| 01:30.51 | abrotman | does he even have a driver yet? |
| 01:30.53 | Guerin | turn off ALL sound daemons |
| 01:30.58 | GlitchMaster | kantai: Neither option is available, it seems. There's an esound option in XMMS, but that doesn't seem to be what's enabled. I'm fairly certain that OSS is the active daemon. |
| 01:31.00 | bluefox83 | yeah he does |
| 01:31.03 | Guerin | work on a low level |
| 01:31.04 | Turaldane | Guerin: I understand that but i have been hunting google trying to fdind out how to change that any ideas??? |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | did you do the random>dsp thing? |
| 01:31.13 | kantai | GlitchMaster: OSS isn't a daemon |
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| 01:31.29 | GlitchMaster | kantai: whatever it is... |
| 01:31.29 | Guerin | Turaldane: not off the top of my head. probably xset or something. |
| 01:31.34 | bluefox83 | Turaldane, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:31.43 | Turaldane | bluefox: its not the locals |
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| 01:31.52 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Installed, now what? |
| 01:31.56 | Turaldane | bluefox: Guerin is right its the Keymap |
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| 01:31.57 | kantai | GlitchMaster: ya, but esd can be hoggin /dev/dsp |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: nothing .. but it will help |
| 01:32.05 | macpato | Turaldane, did you try #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 01:32.08 | bluefox83 | Turaldane, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:32.11 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp .. do you hear anything? |
| 01:32.14 | Turaldane | ok thanks guys |
| 01:32.15 | De_Mon | grr postfix isn't starting on boot up |
| 01:32.16 | Turaldane | will try |
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| 01:32.48 | GlitchMaster | Abrotman: No. |
| 01:32.51 | kantai | have you tried running "fuser /dev/dsp" |
| 01:33.01 | kantai | that will tell you if someone is using it |
| 01:33.05 | GlitchMaster | Abrotman: Discover detected all existing audio and video devices. |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 01:33.09 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: turn your mixer and speaker volumes up. |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: what does it say? |
| 01:33.24 | GlitchMaster | 5252. |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: please make sure your speakers are plugged in .. turned up ..etc |
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| 01:33.36 | kantai | for the love of god, type "fuser /dev/dsp" into a console |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: ps aux | grep 5252 ... what does it return ? |
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| 01:33.45 | GlitchMaster | Abrotman: For your concern, I will skip the audio guage for now. |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | kantai: he did |
| 01:33.49 | kantai | ah ok |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: ps aux | grep 5252 ... what does it return ? |
| 01:33.57 | kantai | it's esd |
| 01:34.04 | kantai | ten bucks says esd |
| 01:34.07 | GlitchMaster | GODDAMNIT! ESD IS BACK AGAIN! |
| 01:34.10 | kantai | haha! |
| 01:34.11 | bluefox83 | lmao |
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| 01:34.13 | Guerin | !win kantai |
| 01:34.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, kantai! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 01:34.14 | kantai | I FUCKING RULE! |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | !win kantai |
| 01:34.20 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, apt-get remove esd |
| 01:34.23 | bluefox83 | for the last time |
| 01:34.24 | Guerin | kantai: not rocket science, really. |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | now /me lets kantai fix it |
| 01:34.30 | GlitchMaster | Good thinking, bluefox83 |
| 01:34.31 | abrotman | !lost kantai |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | !lose kantai |
| 01:34.36 | dpkg | kantai: You Lose. |
| 01:34.40 | kantai | :-( |
| 01:34.46 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, i only told you to do that 3 times already.. |
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| 01:35.07 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: "esd" isn't the package... |
| 01:35.13 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: ... |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | !find esd |
| 01:35.15 | Turaldane | I dont think i have xfree86 installed |
| 01:35.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'esd' (15 shown; 21 total): alsaplayer-esd ;; domesday ;; gstreamer-esd ;; gstreamer0.8-esd ;; kdesdk ;; kdesdk-doc-html ;; kdesdk-kfile-plugins ;; kdesdk-misc ;; kdesdk-scripts ;; liballegro4.1-plugin-esd ;; liballegro4a-plugin-esd ;; libesd-alsa0 ;; libesd0 ;; libesd0-dev ;; libsdl1.2debian-esd. |
| 01:35.24 | bluefox83 | omg |
| 01:35.25 | kantai | ya, it isn't |
| 01:35.28 | GlitchMaster | Uh oh... |
| 01:35.31 | kantai | it's attached to gnome |
| 01:35.32 | bluefox83 | ps x |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | it is |
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| 01:35.41 | kantai | in your settings you can turn it off |
| 01:35.44 | bluefox83 | then find something that says esd |
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| 01:35.47 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: apt-get --purge remove esound |
| 01:35.53 | bluefox83 | and kill that pid with kill -9 <pid> |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | bluefox83: it will die when removed |
| 01:36.04 | Guerin | abrotman: won't that nuke gnome too? |
| 01:36.10 | bluefox83 | no.. |
| 01:36.14 | abrotman | Guerin: only the metapackage iirc |
| 01:36.15 | bluefox83 | esd is for enlightenment |
| 01:36.19 | kantai | no, it'll remove the virtual gnome-desktop package |
| 01:36.25 | kantai | esd is used in gnome as well |
| 01:36.29 | bluefox83 | esd = enlightenment sound daemon |
| 01:36.30 | Guerin | nice |
| 01:36.34 | abrotman | bluefox83: gnome uses it |
| 01:36.36 | harfooz | hi all. I'm new on this channel. I'm running sid, and use gnome. When I click on a url in Thunderbird, I want Firefox to open. So I have it config'd as such in gnome's preferred apps. Since my last update, it opens galeon. |
| 01:36.36 | GlitchMaster | It's removing GNOME! |
| 01:36.37 | GlitchMaster | AHHH! |
| 01:36.39 | bluefox83 | no, it "can" use it |
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| 01:36.40 | GlitchMaster | O_<; |
| 01:36.43 | bluefox83 | lmao |
| 01:36.44 | Guerin | no, esd = evil sound daemon |
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| 01:36.51 | doub | GlitchMaster: only the metapackage, that's not important |
| 01:36.54 | Guerin | bluefox83: no, it DOES use it, by default. |
| 01:36.55 | abrotman | bluefox83: if you apt-get install gnome .. in sarge .. it installs esound/esd |
| 01:37.00 | GlitchMaster | "Removing gnome-desktop-environment ..." |
| 01:37.02 | GlitchMaster | Well.. |
| 01:37.04 | bluefox83 | eeewwww |
| 01:37.05 | GlitchMaster | GNOME is still here.. |
| 01:37.06 | GlitchMaster | So... |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: just relax |
| 01:37.10 | GlitchMaster | I think that was something else. :P |
| 01:37.10 | kantai | Don't worry about it |
| 01:37.15 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, apt-get install icewm |
| 01:37.18 | bluefox83 | :P |
| 01:37.22 | Turaldane | Hey Guys i dont think i have xfree86 |
| 01:37.22 | Guerin | ffs |
| 01:37.27 | kantai | apt-get install enlightenment |
| 01:37.32 | Guerin | Turaldane: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 01:37.41 | Turaldane | ok |
| 01:37.42 | bluefox83 | enlightenment is a little much for him to learn..lol |
| 01:37.48 | GlitchMaster | kantai: I'd rather not go in circles... and... um... |
| 01:37.54 | Guerin | englightenment is shite anyway |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | just leave him use gnome |
| 01:37.59 | kantai | *GASP* |
| 01:38.00 | Guerin | s/g// |
| 01:38.09 | setuid_w00t | I got a dvd burner today and installed it. I have a working cd writer/dvd player combo drive. Both drives show up in /var/log/dmesg and hdc and hdd. For some reason the new dvd burner device doesn't seem to be working though. I can't get any application to use it as a cd or dvd drive. |
| 01:38.11 | bluefox83 | <3 icewm |
| 01:38.15 | GlitchMaster | I'm actually quite intelligent. I can usually handle this, it's just really stressful right now, and I cannot think. |
| 01:38.29 | setuid_w00t | Any ideas what I can do to test the drive? |
| 01:38.37 | jorgp | is there an app that will create boot floppy? |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: no offense .. but apparently it's been stressful for about 2 weeks now :) |
| 01:38.50 | kantai | GlitchMaster: don't worry about it, esd is nasty |
| 01:38.52 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: No shit. |
| 01:38.53 | Guerin | jorgp: cat, dd. |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: heh |
| 01:39.00 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: I've been through hell upon hell. |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: purgatory eh? |
| 01:39.15 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: In a sense. |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: and you've been using unix for 15 years? |
| 01:39.31 | doub | GlitchMaster: aren't we in hell already? |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | doub: it's not sunday |
| 01:39.40 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, don't tell me, you work for george w bush... |
| 01:39.51 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Where the hell did you get that idea? I've been using LINUX for EIGHT DAYS. |
| 01:39.54 | jorgp | Guerin: I did a dd if=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 of=/dev/fd0 but it did not boot |
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| 01:40.05 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: i thought you were the one who said they were using unix for 15 years |
| 01:40.09 | micahf | hey dudes I updated to sarge and now it is dead |
| 01:40.12 | GlitchMaster | Hardly. |
| 01:40.16 | micahf | x doesn't work |
| 01:40.20 | bluefox83 | jorgp, make sure bios is set to boot from that floppy |
| 01:40.22 | doub | abrotman: huh, looks like, actually |
| 01:40.25 | Guerin | micahf: define dead. |
| 01:40.33 | bluefox83 | jorgp, er, the floppy drive anyways.. |
| 01:40.35 | micahf | x doesn't work |
| 01:40.44 | Guerin | micahf: that's not dead. |
| 01:40.47 | GlitchMaster | micahf: Did you try reinstalling it? |
| 01:40.48 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 01:40.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:40.49 | micahf | I know |
| 01:40.52 | jorgp | bluefox83: it is and it says illegal format end |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: hmm .. must have been some time i was talking to you . but i dn't have logs that go back 2 weeks |
| 01:41.10 | Guerin | jorgp: make sure your disk is the right size for the image |
| 01:41.11 | micahf | but x tries to load pex5 and xie |
| 01:41.13 | bluefox83 | jorgp, sure the floppy is formatted correctly? |
| 01:41.17 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: I'm the one that wanted the original Unix manuals for the Star Wars screensaver. |
| 01:41.25 | micahf | and they aren't there |
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| 01:41.30 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: ok |
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| 01:41.34 | micahf | and I reconfigured and it took them out |
| 01:41.37 | kzar | ARGH why doesnt linuxtv.org actualy say which driver to use! |
| 01:41.40 | micahf | and now GLcore doesn't work |
| 01:41.44 | jorgp | bluefox83: dunno, hence my request for a howto |
| 01:41.52 | Guerin | micahf: nvidia? |
| 01:41.53 | abrotman | micahf: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:42.04 | jorgp | been searching google and not found anything usefull |
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| 01:42.08 | micahf | naw I'm on a rage 128 |
| 01:42.21 | micahf | I think i tried apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:42.23 | bluefox83 | jorgp, gnome has a nifty little floppy formatting tool.. |
| 01:42.25 | micahf | but maybe not |
| 01:42.28 | micahf | I will try |
| 01:42.33 | herati | When you download a kernel-source though apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8, do you have to patch it or can you just configure and compile? |
| 01:42.46 | jorgp | bluefox83: how should I format it? mke2fs? |
| 01:42.51 | Guerin | herati: it's debian-patched already |
| 01:42.56 | micahf | but I have to restart to do it |
| 01:43.00 | micahf | any other ideas? |
| 01:43.12 | blackm | Alright, back on my old kernel. |
| 01:43.12 | bluefox83 | jorgp, uhm...i don't really remember |
| 01:43.13 | Guerin | micahf: why do you have to restart? |
| 01:43.18 | stallman | Hi all... quick question. Had to pull my network card out of my deb box and put in a new one. How do I reconfig for a ne net card? |
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| 01:43.35 | blackm | and fdisk -l isn't telling me anything now... |
| 01:43.43 | Guerin | stallman: find out what module it uses and load that module. |
| 01:44.02 | bluefox83 | did GlitchMaster ever get his sound working? |
| 01:44.14 | jorgp | bluefox83: I thought there was an app that either made a grub floppy or lilo floppy |
| 01:44.30 | stallman | Hey guerin... I got done what I was doing earlier thanks for all your help. How do I go about installing that module? |
| 01:44.33 | bluefox83 | jorgp, there is, i don't remember where the damn thing is though.. |
| 01:44.37 | herati | Guerin : OK, thanks. When I type uname -r, I get 2.6.8-1, but the version.Debian string is 2.6.8-12. How can I get the exact source for the kernel I am running? |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | stallman: modconf |
| 01:44.44 | Guerin | stallman: modprobe <modulename> |
| 01:44.47 | GlitchMaster | Let's get back on track with my situation: What can I do to test and see if the card is responding properly? |
| 01:44.50 | bluefox83 | jorgp, what bootloader do you use? |
| 01:44.56 | jorgp | bluefox83: lilo |
| 01:44.56 | setuid_w00t | Does anyone know of a way to list your cdrom devices? |
| 01:45.03 | blackm | So what do you do when fdisk -l doesn't list ANYTHING? |
| 01:45.14 | micahf | I am on macosx |
| 01:45.15 | doub | GlitchMaster: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 01:45.26 | micahf | guerin ^^ |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | not again ... |
| 01:45.31 | doub | GlitchMaster: assuming /dev/dsp points to the right card |
| 01:45.39 | Guerin | micahf: reboot into debina, then we can talk. |
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| 01:45.41 | abrotman | micahf: is the trouble machine a mac? |
| 01:45.43 | micahf | so I can't apt-get |
| 01:45.49 | micahf | yea it's a mac |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | micahf: #debianppc |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:45.55 | micahf | but it worked for woody |
| 01:45.55 | dpkg | i heard ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:46.00 | abrotman | they know much much more |
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| 01:46.08 | micahf | k thanks |
| 01:46.40 | GlitchMaster | doub: How can I see if /dev/dsp points to this card? |
| 01:46.46 | Rage_ | I just compiled a new kernel, but when I reboot I get "could not load /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep" when that file does exist, also getting the same error when booting my previous kernel (which I left intact) |
| 01:47.04 | doub | GlitchMaster: try it, if not try /dev/dsp1 |
| 01:47.14 | ryan_ | anyone know how to set a file's atime? |
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| 01:47.20 | micahf | hmmm there isn't anyone in debianppc |
| 01:47.29 | abrotman | you mean #debianppc? |
| 01:47.32 | bluefox83 | jorgp, i dunno, i thought there was a command in lilo to copy your bootloader and config files to a floppy.. |
| 01:47.34 | micahf | yea |
| 01:47.35 | skyisblue | Rage_: did you make modules_install? |
| 01:47.37 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | micahf: /j #debianppc |
| 01:47.42 | micahf | I mean now there is |
| 01:47.44 | micahf | yea I did |
| 01:47.45 | Rage_ | skyisblue yes |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | micahf: how many people? |
| 01:47.54 | micahf | 55 |
| 01:47.58 | fusion | Anyone able to help with radvd? I cannot seem to get it to start - I have created an /etc/radvd.conf file from the sample config file.... |
| 01:48.00 | micahf | no one is talking is what I mean |
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| 01:48.04 | skyisblue | Rage_: and initrd? |
| 01:48.06 | abrotman | micahf: oh ... |
| 01:48.13 | Rage_ | skyisblue initrd? |
| 01:48.15 | abrotman | micahf: well people have to sleep :) |
| 01:48.28 | GlitchMaster | doub: /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 give nothing. |
| 01:48.33 | romulo | hi , my system is trying to boot, then it falls in init2 at kernel loading, and doesnt load anymore, it says no more process left on this run leve, what can i do? |
| 01:48.35 | bluefox83 | for some reason i want fried oysters right now.. |
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| 01:48.45 | doub | abrotman: oh. how do they do? |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | doub: que? |
| 01:49.01 | blackm | doub: I rebooted into my old kernel. Now I don't get ANY information at all when I do fdisk -l. The drive seems to mount up, but I still can't access it. |
| 01:49.04 | skyisblue | Rage_: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10 2.6.10 |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | bluefox83: is that all? |
| 01:49.28 | Rage_ | skyisblue ok lemme try that |
| 01:49.32 | doub | abrotman: how do they do to sleep? |
| 01:49.40 | bluefox83 | abrotman, is what all? |
| 01:49.45 | GlitchMaster | Again I ask, how can I see where /dev/dsp points? |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | bluefox83: fried oysters |
| 01:49.54 | abrotman | doub: standing? |
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| 01:50.03 | fusion | GlitchMaster: ls -la /dev/dsp |
| 01:50.06 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i live in florida, i can find them pretty easily.. |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: it doesn't point anywhere .. it's "part" of your sound card |
| 01:50.27 | micahf | hey it's only 8 here! |
| 01:50.31 | abrotman | bluefox83: oh .. anyplace fun? |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | micahf: are oyu in Maine? |
| 01:50.41 | GlitchMaster | "crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-01-18 18:56 /dev/dsp" <--- ?! |
| 01:50.45 | micahf | no Minnesota |
| 01:50.54 | micahf | I guess it would be 9 in maine! |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | micahf: my grandmother lives in WI .. it's cold out there :) .. |
| 01:50.59 | Fluten | when i "setxkbmap ru", the cyrillic characters appear only when i hold down the right alt, and qwerty without it |
| 01:51.05 | herati | Can anyone tell me how to recreate the exact kernel that I'm running (2.5.8-1) from source, including the configuration ? I downloaded kernel-source-2.6.8, but it seems to be 2.6.8-12 and there is no .config file. |
| 01:51.06 | doub | blackm: what do you mean by "mount up"? is it listed in the output of mount? |
| 01:51.08 | micahf | yea, but it doesn't snow enough |
| 01:51.08 | bluefox83 | abrotman, stumpknockers..groupers, oysterbar, and a couple other places |
| 01:51.09 | Fluten | is there a way to make it happen without the alt? |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | micahf: and no .. i talked to my mom in maine .. she said it was going to 3 tonight |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | bluefox83: stumpknockers? .. challenged gay men? |
| 01:51.33 | blackm | doub: Yep. |
| 01:51.34 | fusion | GlitchMaster: then, as abrotman has said, it does not point anywhere.... |
| 01:51.34 | dvs | herati: Look at /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 01:51.41 | bluefox83 | abrotman, a stumpknocker is a fish |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | any good? |
| 01:51.56 | abrotman | bluefox83: is this the gulf coast? |
| 01:51.59 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: What I imply is, how can I tell if the address /dev/dsp is even targeting the correct area (that SHOULD be /dev/dsp)? |
| 01:52.01 | bluefox83 | yep |
| 01:52.03 | micahf | yea it was -5 a few days ago |
| 01:52.06 | bluefox83 | north of tampa |
| 01:52.06 | romulo | no process left ont his runlevel, what that means? kernel stops after it |
| 01:52.11 | micahf | but it got down to -10 or so |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | bluefox83: ah .. last time i was in FL .. i went to ocala |
| 01:52.19 | doub | blackm: so why can't you access it ? |
| 01:52.26 | micahf | and when I went up north near duluth, it was like -17 |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: it is |
| 01:52.33 | micahf | we went naked skiing there haha |
| 01:52.35 | blackm | That's what I'm asking! lol |
| 01:52.36 | bluefox83 | abrotman, i work in ocala, live just south of there in inverness |
| 01:52.39 | abrotman | micahf: you people are freaks :) |
| 01:52.53 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Most definitely? |
| 01:52.58 | abrotman | bluefox83: wait . what's in inverness? .. a park? silver springs? |
| 01:52.59 | herati | dvs : Great, thanks. That solves the config problem. Do I have the correct patched version if it reads 2.6.8-12 but uname -r returns 2.6.8-1? |
| 01:53.05 | blackm | I really do not know. If I did, I wouldn't be here wasting your time. ;) |
| 01:53.27 | doub | blackm: you can go to it's mount point and see files, can't you ? |
| 01:53.32 | dvs | herati: I'm not sure. |
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| 01:53.41 | micahf | haha |
| 01:53.44 | bluefox83 | abrotman, couple old buildings, more lakes and rivers than i can count, and lots of back roads that lead to no-where |
| 01:53.44 | micahf | man it was fun |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | bluefox83: it's been a while .. |
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| 01:54.02 | herati | dvs : Fair enough. Thanks. |
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| 01:54.07 | abrotman | bluefox83: i wonder why i was in inverness .. but ocala was ok .. lots of old people :) |
| 01:54.08 | dvs | herati: np |
| 01:54.14 | jegarner | what is the package to install C devlopment libs ? |
| 01:54.19 | Rage_ | skyisblue curious, can I do that within knoppix 32bit while the kernel is for 64bit ? |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | bluefox83: if i looked at a map .. i might be able to remember where i stayed |
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| 01:54.27 | bluefox83 | abrotman, lol, i know i work at a gated community for retired folks |
| 01:54.28 | dvs | jegarner: libc-dev? |
| 01:54.31 | Guerin | !b-e jegarner |
| 01:54.32 | dpkg | jegarner: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:54.41 | Guerin | dvs: if you don't know, don't guess |
| 01:54.46 | abrotman | bluefox83: nice .. target practice? |
| 01:54.53 | skyisblue | Rage_: no idea. |
| 01:55.08 | jegarner | dvs, thanks |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | bluefox83: where are the glass bottom boats? |
| 01:55.16 | bluefox83 | abrotman, silver springs in ocala |
| 01:55.27 | dvs | Guerin: He asked for the C development libraries. |
| 01:55.28 | abrotman | hmm |
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| 01:55.34 | restrex | hi guyz i'm following a qmail how-to, when i put that: useradd -g vchkpw -u 89 -d /home/vpopmail it doesn't work, what errors have that? thanks guyz :) |
| 01:55.39 | Guerin | dvs: and libc-dev is not those |
| 01:55.40 | abrotman | bluefox83: maybe i was in inverness .. but i'm pretty sure it was ocala |
| 01:55.46 | xdr | how do I check uid on a user? |
| 01:55.46 | jegarner | Yes it is |
| 01:55.50 | Guerin | dvs: in fact, it doesn't exist in debian |
| 01:55.57 | Guerin | !info libc-dev |
| 01:56.04 | jegarner | libc6-dev |
| 01:56.08 | Rage_ | skyisblue hmm well aprently not |
| 01:56.09 | Guerin | 10:53:08 <dpkg> Package 'libc-dev' does not exist. |
| 01:56.14 | micahf | is this forum logged? |
| 01:56.16 | bluefox83 | abrotman, no parks of any sort in inverness, just a few restraunts that cater to old people and some sports bars |
| 01:56.25 | dondelelcaro | micahf: probably |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | bluefox83: silver springs!! |
| 01:56.29 | dvs | I missed a number. |
| 01:56.30 | blackm | Wow, my head just exploded. |
| 01:56.32 | micahf | because I just told the whole world about my skiing adventures |
| 01:56.33 | micahf | haha |
| 01:56.44 | GlitchMaster | Configuring XMMS, trying ANY daemon (or whatever you call OSS/ALSA/etc), trying different hardware addresses (name of card in selection, /dev/dsp, etc), doing all of this, nothing gave me sound. Nothing. |
| 01:56.53 | vorpal | does anyone know how to setup /dev/tcp pseudo device under debian? i see some mention of iBCS in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt, but I have no idea what it is about |
| 01:57.02 | restrex | hi guyz i'm following a qmail how-to, when i put that: useradd -g vchkpw -u 89 -d /home/vpopmail it doesn't work, what errors have that? thanks guyz :) |
| 01:57.03 | GlitchMaster | This, of course, was all in XMMS. |
| 01:57.11 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, you are cursed, stay away from my computer.. |
| 01:57.20 | dondelelcaro | restrex: please don't repeat. We can't really support qmail here. Try #qmail |
| 01:57.27 | blackm | doub: I just created a dummy directory and mounted it there. I can get into it... |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | bluefox83: been way way too long |
| 01:57.37 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: make sure your modules are probed, then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 01:58.06 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: I've done the cat thing three times now. Modules probed? Details, please. |
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| 01:58.17 | stallman | ok guerin.... you threw me off with the Modprobe thing. What do I have to do? Is modprobe a command or something or a config file I have to modify |
| 01:58.37 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: modprobe /dev/dsp ? |
| 01:58.41 | restrex | dondelelcaro i'm now in qmail, I was questioning about the sintax of the comand adduser |
| 01:58.41 | doub | blackm: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdb say? |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | kantai: obviously in the closet with it |
| 01:58.57 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: ffs. give me lsmod |grep snd; on a httpd |
| 01:59.01 | fusion | Anyone able to help with radvd? I cannot seem to get it to start - I have created an /etc/radvd.conf file from the sample config file.... I dont see an error message, it just does not start |
| 01:59.02 | dondelelcaro | restrex: in Debian, you don't use useradd, use adduser. |
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| 01:59.08 | Guerin | stallman: modprobe is a command. |
| 01:59.14 | restrex | ok dondelelcaro tnx |
| 01:59.20 | skyisblue | Rage_: is there other reason to compile the kernel? |
| 01:59.22 | bob2 | fusion: run it manually |
| 01:59.24 | blackm | Partition table entries are not in disk order |
| 01:59.29 | vorpal | well, actually i know that iBCS is some kind of binary abstraction layer, but I don;t know how it works under debian, nor what relationship it has to /dev/tcp pseudodevice |
| 01:59.33 | fusion | bob2: that is what I am trying to do |
| 01:59.46 | stallman | Guerian |
| 01:59.49 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: httpd? |
| 02:00.00 | blackm | I can't copy and paste it all. For some reason my console mouse services don't work either. |
| 02:00.01 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: put it on the fucking web. /msg dpkg paste |
| 02:00.10 | Guerin | stallmian |
| 02:00.10 | stallman | so the command is modprobe "for my network card" |
| 02:00.20 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 02:00.26 | doub | blackm: so you have several partitions on this disk? |
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| 02:00.31 | blackm | and I can't boot into gnome unless I reinstall the nvidia drivers. again |
| 02:00.31 | Guerin | !hornyclue |
| 02:00.31 | dpkg | hmm... hornyclue is Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 02:00.36 | michal_ | i'm doing a tcpdump trying to work out why we are having problems wiith one of our connections and I keep getting this sort of thing: "11:58:10.070000 10.10.60.253.router > RIP2-ROUTERS.MCAST.NET.router: RIPv2-resp [items 2]: {10.3.4.206/255.255.255.255}(1) {loop3.core2.qld.request.com.au/255.255.255.255}(2) [ttl 1]" |
| 02:00.39 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, here are the modules you need to modprobe : emu10k1_gp snd_emu10k1 snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm |
| 02:00.48 | michal_ | is there anything unusual about that? |
| 02:00.51 | dondelelcaro | restrex: and the command you've given is nonsensical. If you want to add a vchkpw user, you don't specify the id explicitely. You want something like adduser --group vchkpw --system --no-create-home --disabled-password --disabled-login username |
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| 02:01.11 | bluefox83 | oh yeah and snd |
| 02:01.13 | Guerin | bluefox83: but if he already has some others, that could fuck things up, so we need to see what he has probed BEFORE he does that. |
| 02:01.20 | dondelelcaro | (and I still have NFI the vchkpw user is good for) |
| 02:01.22 | kingsley_ | What are some good applications for browsing SVG images in the new and royalty free "openclipart" package? |
| 02:01.32 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: display works |
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| 02:01.39 | blackm | doub: /dev/hdb1 and /dev/hdb2. hdb2 is apparently a swap partition, but that makes no fucking sense because it's also marked as the boot partition AND I already have a swap partition on /dev/hda5 |
| 02:01.47 | Rage_ | skyisblue well I needed to compile it with the version of gcc I was using in order to build vmware modules, the kernel I had was compiled using a newer version of gcc |
| 02:01.50 | Guerin | stallman: lspci |grep ETH |
| 02:01.56 | fusion | bob2: It just accepts the command, but it does not show that it is running in ps aux |
| 02:01.56 | gothtec | dpkg no, hornyclue is Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 02:01.56 | dpkg | i already had it that way, gothtec |
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| 02:02.07 | gothtec | dpkg no, hornyclue is <reply> Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 02:02.07 | dpkg | gothtec: okay |
| 02:02.11 | Guerin | stallman: tell me the make and model and chipset name of your new eth card |
| 02:02.15 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: www.glitchworld.com/lsmod|grep_snd.txt |
| 02:02.26 | doub | blackm: is it the same drive as with your other kernel? |
| 02:02.35 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: as does any SVG editor, like sodipodi or sketch |
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| 02:03.07 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: turn your fucking onboard sound off in bios |
| 02:03.19 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: ...Oh. |
| 02:03.25 | gothtec | :P |
| 02:03.30 | Rage_ | using the debian installer, how do I mount my harddrive todo a recovery? |
| 02:03.36 | ryan_ | aparently touch can do it. |
| 02:03.37 | stallman | Guerin.. got it thanks |
| 02:03.38 | blackm | Now that you mention it, no it isn't. With the other kernel it simply lists /dev/hdb1 as a single 40GB drive. This has it split into two partitions. WTF? |
| 02:03.44 | skyisblue | Rage_: do you use sarge? |
| 02:03.55 | Rage_ | skyisblue sid |
| 02:04.05 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: Thanks for having a speck of patience. If this works, you have my greatest thanks. My apologies for my ignorance. |
| 02:04.05 | kingsley_ | dondelelcaro: Do you happen to know if display, sodipodi or sketch can browse a collection of SVG files? |
| 02:04.15 | gothtec | stallman.. richard stallman? |
| 02:04.21 | blackm | They also don't list them as the same file system. Under 2.6.10 it says EX-Drive, under 2.4 here it says Linux and Linux Swap. |
| 02:04.21 | gothtec | no way. |
| 02:04.36 | michal_ | anyone know of any software which could help diagnose what the hell a problem could be with latency/dropouts ? i have administator priveliges at both ends of the connection but the routing is done by a third party who refuse to reveal ANY information about their network and tell us the problem is with out network |
| 02:04.40 | Guerin | gothtec: of course. Who else would be clueless and having trouble with something as simple as changing a nic? |
| 02:04.42 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: they all can... just use display *; and space through them. |
| 02:04.44 | doub | blackm: don't confuse /dev/hdb (a hard drive) and /dev/hdb1 (a parititon) |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | kingsley_: sodipodi should be able to .. as well as .. uhm .. scribus i think it is |
| 02:05.05 | gothtec | Guerin: good point |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | oh . i bet it's inkscape |
| 02:05.18 | skyisblue | Rage_: and you didn't make backup/old kernel. |
| 02:05.24 | bluefox83 | michal_, a shotgun would probably get the information you need |
| 02:05.34 | jvw | no, not good point at all. THis is a newby channel. If you don't want to help people, or are annoyed by people not as experienced with linux yet, don't pretend to help |
| 02:05.36 | bluefox83 | afk, tea |
| 02:05.41 | dondelelcaro | michal_: traceroutes will often help you out |
| 02:05.44 | michal_ | blue: we have tought gun laws here :/ |
| 02:05.47 | jvw | Guerin: that's especially aimed at you |
| 02:05.50 | blackm | doub: Okay. Whatever the case, that's the way it is. Under one kernel it lists the drive as a single partition. Under the other it lists it as two separate partitions. |
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| 02:06.01 | resiak | !tell bluefox83 about away |
| 02:06.08 | resiak | ~botsnack |
| 02:06.08 | apt | :), resiak |
| 02:06.09 | kingsley_ | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 02:06.10 | doub | blackm: what does dmesg say about hdb? |
| 02:06.13 | Rage_ | skyisblue I thought I had, but I guess I didnt do it properly |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | resiak: it wasn't a real away |
| 02:06.24 | michal_ | dond: well traceroutes don't eally show the problem.. they make it seem like it's our fault because the last hop from their router to our machhine is slow.. but that could equally well be their fault (and i think it is) |
| 02:06.28 | resiak | abrotman: True enough. |
| 02:06.42 | Guerin | jvw: I don't get pissed off at people who are new to linux; I get pissed off at people who refuseto follow instructions completely and refuse to learn. |
| 02:06.51 | abrotman | micahf: i'm pretty sure you can't talk as root in here |
| 02:06.52 | dondelelcaro | michal_: well, if the traceroutes don't show the problem, try pinging everything in the line... see what packets are being dropped where. |
| 02:07.09 | skyisblue | Rage_: then just reinstall it. |
| 02:07.11 | bluefox83 | resiak, i used /amsg to do that, i am on other servers and in other channels, quit being an ass |
| 02:07.12 | jvw | Guerin: following instructions is hard if you just don't happen to know how it works, and are not familiar with command line |
| 02:07.15 | Guerin | jvw: and whether or not this is a newby channel is debatable. |
| 02:07.41 | michal_ | dond: they get dropped at our machine.. but if their router was misconfigured that would happen too |
| 02:07.42 | jvw | Guerin: this channel is the first entry point for questions, so yes, that included newbies |
| 02:07.51 | resiak | bluefox83: Uh, I /msg'd an apology to the wrong person. Sorry: I got trigger-happy. |
| 02:07.55 | pinion_ | I'd have to agree with that |
| 02:07.57 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yeah, but are they actually making it to your machine? |
| 02:07.58 | jvw | (but also more advanced people, of course) |
| 02:08.04 | Guerin | jvw: yes... which is why I refer people to thinks like the fundamentals guide before they start. |
| 02:08.14 | bluefox83 | resiak, s'ok i forgive you |
| 02:08.16 | Guerin | s/thinks/things/ |
| 02:08.29 | resiak | bluefox83: :) |
| 02:08.32 | michal_ | dond: doh.. emergency. i am going to have to come back later.. thanks for trying to help |
| 02:08.42 | dondelelcaro | michal_: np |
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| 02:09.19 | doub | blackm: got to go now, sorry |
| 02:09.22 | micahf | thanks for bringing that to my attention |
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| 02:09.32 | gothtec | michal_: lemme guess.. a small fire in your room? |
| 02:09.39 | micahf | I am typing in IrcII |
| 02:09.47 | blackm | damn |
| 02:09.47 | micahf | it's kinda weird I guess |
| 02:09.53 | blackm | thanks a lot |
| 02:10.03 | Guerin | micahf: apt-get install irssi-text; it's way better. |
| 02:10.11 | blackm | I'm less lost than I was at least. |
| 02:10.11 | micahf | ok |
| 02:10.26 | jvw | Guerin: that's apploadable, I just sensed a bit of overkill on the 'fuck' side in your reactions to stallman/GlitchMaster |
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| 02:10.57 | gothtec | catch you on the fuckside... |
| 02:11.01 | jvw | if I happened to have had a very bad sample of communications, I appologize |
| 02:11.08 | GlitchMaster | Well.. |
| 02:11.11 | GlitchMaster | This is interesting. |
| 02:11.16 | bluefox83 | is it working? |
| 02:11.17 | GlitchMaster | I disabled the on-board audio controller. |
| 02:11.19 | GlitchMaster | No. It is not. |
| 02:11.40 | Guerin | jvw: it's not so much a bad sample as it is on the tailend of much floundering when a bit of direct and simple help would have done the trick. |
| 02:11.46 | bluefox83 | you scare me GlitchMaster |
| 02:11.49 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: specifics. |
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| 02:11.57 | GlitchMaster | Hold on. |
| 02:12.02 | gothtec | Interesting indeed. I'd like to disable mine too. Maybe it'd be just as interesting. |
| 02:12.39 | GlitchMaster | Now XMMS gives a message: "Couldn't Open Audio | Please check that: -Your soundcard is configured properly -You have the correct output plugin selected -No other program is blocking the soundcard" |
| 02:12.47 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: it's the 'setting up alsa' bit that's proving hard. |
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| 02:12.59 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: *shrug* |
| 02:13.02 | cthulfuego | Is it in fact _possibly_ to compile a netbooting nsfroot 2.6 image under 500kb? |
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| 02:13.04 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:13.22 | dondelelcaro | cthulfuego: um, good luck. |
| 02:13.24 | GlitchMaster | That should be a good enough description. It would seem that the card isn't being recognized, still. Something is wrong. |
| 02:13.27 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: yah |
| 02:13.32 | GlitchMaster | It is configured to the card. |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | oh yay |
| 02:13.36 | verny29 | anyone tell me how make my screen resolution 1024x760 instead of 800x600 |
| 02:13.37 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: which card? The sblive? |
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| 02:13.46 | abrotman | verny29: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:13.52 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: Yes. The SBLive. It's configured, but is not working. |
| 02:14.01 | GlitchMaster | XMMS gives said message. |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | sound is overrated |
| 02:14.13 | GlitchMaster | I have gigs of music. |
| 02:14.19 | gothtec | verny29: you have to pull it apart and replace the cathode ray tube |
| 02:14.20 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: what happens when you cat something to /dev/dsp? |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | so invest in a stereo :) |
| 02:14.25 | cthulfuego | GlitchMaster: Are you running esound or arts? |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | cthulfuego: we've been down that road |
| 02:14.44 | Atropine | Topic for #debian-overflow is due to serious abuse, #debian is temporarily +i. ask here and you can be invited. <-------- May i know what kind of abuses ? This debian-overflow thing is really annoying |
| 02:14.45 | Guerin | oh, and how. |
| 02:14.59 | GlitchMaster | cthulfuego: Apparently, neither. I removed esound. I don't know if it would automatically switch to arts... I don't know what arts relates to. |
| 02:15.03 | cthulfuego | abrotman: Oh dear... and still issues. |
| 02:15.13 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, i want you to join #flood and do that ps aux again, and paste the results in #flood |
| 02:15.16 | abrotman | cthulfuego: have you seen GM with anything else in the last two weeks? |
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| 02:15.24 | dondelelcaro | Atropine: that topic is outdated. |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: what does xmms say? |
| 02:15.27 | verny29 | abrotman: didnt work |
| 02:15.27 | cthulfuego | GlitchMaster: Why don't you just keep running esound then and tell xmms to use esound? |
| 02:15.35 | Atropine | dondelelcaro: ok.... thanks |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | verny29: how many resolutions did you pick .. and did you restart X? |
| 02:15.53 | Guerin | cthulfuego: we're just getting back to basics at this stage. |
| 02:15.54 | Fluten | is there a way to have setxkbmap load a layout in a way i don't have to press down the right alt key to use it? |
| 02:16.01 | GlitchMaster | Guerin: Eh? |
| 02:16.11 | verny29 | abrotman: vern@CJ:~$ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:16.12 | verny29 | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 02:16.13 | GlitchMaster | You mean the ls | grep? |
| 02:16.13 | cthulfuego | abrotman: To be honest, I don't understand why people have SO many alsa issues. Just let hotplug load the damn modules and it 8works* |
| 02:16.20 | gothtec | verny29: as root |
| 02:16.22 | cthulfuego | verny29: as root |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | verny29: you're not using debian apparently |
| 02:16.28 | verny29 | yeah i a, |
| 02:16.30 | verny29 | am** |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: no. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:16.38 | cthulfuego | verny29: Try running debian, then. |
| 02:16.38 | verny29 | o i gotta su it |
| 02:16.39 | skyisblue | Rage_: have to go, sorry, ask here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=26 |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | cthulfuego: because alsa is apain .. i still use OSS |
| 02:16.55 | Rage_ | skyisblue ok thanks |
| 02:16.57 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: what does XMMS say? |
| 02:17.04 | Guerin | skyisblue: don't bother referring people to linuxquestions.org |
| 02:17.06 | skyisblue | bye |
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| 02:17.18 | abrotman | wow .. i haven't done a !u all night :) |
| 02:17.19 | GlitchMaster | XMMS gives a message: "Couldn't Open Audio | Please check that: -Your soundcard is configured properly -You have the correct output plugin selected -No other program is blocking the soundcard" |
| 02:17.26 | pinion_ | HI |
| 02:17.34 | spdf | abrotman, Weird. |
| 02:17.35 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, join #flood please |
| 02:17.41 | spdf | abrotman, I saw 10 or so this morning. |
| 02:17.45 | gothtec | verny29: for future reference... |
| 02:17.46 | gothtec | dpkg, tell verny29 about doesn't work |
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| 02:17.49 | cthulfuego | abrotman: My experience with alsa has been that it 'just works'. On a Maestro3, SBLive, AWE64, via82cxx, i810 and whatever the hell my new laptop uses. |
| 02:17.54 | abrotman | spdf: well . that happens |
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| 02:18.08 | spdf | abrotman, I suppose it comes in waves |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i just never tried it .. i don't think ... |
| 02:18.13 | Rebecca | what is the name of the graphical package manager for debian? |
| 02:18.21 | spdf | Rebecca, synaptic |
| 02:18.21 | blackmariah | That's AWESOME! I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers EVERY TIME I restart my computer. *smacks head on wall again* |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i guess not seriously tried it |
| 02:18.28 | Rebecca | spdf: thanks :) |
| 02:18.32 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Cut IDe support, down to 1197Kb :-( |
| 02:18.46 | spdf | blackmariah, when you say "reinstall" you mean actually install them, or just load the module? |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | !kill nvidia |
| 02:18.59 | spdf | !kill my monkey |
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| 02:19.03 | cthulfuego | spdf: blackmariah means 'just load the module' |
| 02:19.11 | spdf | Thats easy to fix.. |
| 02:19.18 | abrotman | modconf |
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| 02:19.55 | blackmariah | No, I mean REINSTALL. |
| 02:19.56 | dondelelcaro | cthulfuego: heh |
| 02:19.57 | cthulfuego | No, the default nvidia module location isn't found my modprobe. |
| 02:20.02 | cthulfuego | blackmariah: You are mistaken. |
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| 02:20.47 | blackmariah | Well if you have a better idea, lay it on me, because every time I reboot GLCore disappears. |
| 02:21.28 | abrotman | who needs GL |
| 02:21.33 | blackmariah | o/ |
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| 02:22.07 | bluefox83 | ok, GlitchMaster isn't running any sound daemons |
| 02:22.41 | spdf | blackmariah, tell me exactly what you go through when you restart your computer.. |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | but he gets zip from cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
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| 02:23.49 | GlitchMaster | That might do it... |
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| 02:24.02 | blackmariah | I push the power button and wait for the login screen to appear. I log in, type 'startx', and X bails out telling me that GLcore can't be found. |
| 02:24.04 | ml267 | is it bad to use caps for a user name? |
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| 02:24.05 | spdf | abrotman, I get nothing as well, my sound works though :/ |
| 02:24.18 | spdf | blackmariah, And you reinstall it how? |
| 02:24.24 | ml267 | i've never used caps before, but never knew why that convention |
| 02:24.25 | dondelelcaro | ml267: you generally don't want to. |
| 02:24.45 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Giving up on 2.6 |
| 02:24.49 | blackmariah | By running nvidia's installer. |
| 02:24.58 | dondelelcaro | ml267: and an all caps user name typically tells login that you're using a term that can't differentiate between caps/no-caps |
| 02:25.03 | theturtl1 | anyone know what my options are for encrypting my FS? I have a lot of questions that I need to find out answers too, maybe someone could recommend a good reference? |
| 02:25.15 | spdf | Things just dont' dissapear though.. |
| 02:25.18 | cthulfuego | blackmariah: You don't NEED GLcore when using nvidias driver. |
| 02:25.32 | cthulfuego | blackmariah: That's what happens when you run bianry-only crap you download from some website. |
| 02:25.43 | cthulfuego | blackmariah: install the debianised nvidia-* packages, read their docs. |
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| 02:25.57 | fusion | Anyone able to help with radvd? I cannot seem to get it to start - I have created an /etc/radvd.conf file from the sample config file.... I dont see an error message, it just does not start - I have tried /usr/sbin/radvd -d 4 -l /var/log/ra.log but still there is no log produced |
| 02:26.08 | bluefox83 | wtf, just tell xserver-free86 not to use GLcore.. |
| 02:26.20 | cthulfuego | fusion: Check /var/log/syslog |
| 02:26.30 | fusion | thanks cthulfuego |
| 02:26.32 | ml267 | dondelelcaro: i c. hmm |
| 02:26.51 | blackmariah | Some website? Yeah, nvidia's website is a totally unreliable place to get installers for nvidia software. *cough* |
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| 02:26.53 | stallman | Guerin Ok I'm lost and really don't want to screw anything up on that box. I don't understand modprobe and what it does. Do you have a doc I can read about it or a how to for installing network cards in debian |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | that can't be good |
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| 02:27.37 | dondelelcaro | ml267: basically, if you don't know all of the pitfalls of a mixed case username, just use lower case. You'll be much happier in the long run |
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| 02:27.54 | fusion | cthulfuego: It thinks there is another lot of radvd running, but ps aux | grep radvd does not show it :/ |
| 02:28.01 | Guerin | stallman: modprobe loads a module into the kernel. A module is like a driver. |
| 02:28.05 | weems | theres a password for the bootstrap zip file does anyone know what it is? |
| 02:28.14 | stallman | I know the PCI bus for the card and what kind of card it is that it though. I don't know what the module to load with modeprobe is |
| 02:28.22 | bob2 | I liked the old cafuego. |
| 02:28.26 | bob2 | he was less evil. |
| 02:28.34 | Guerin | stallman: use lspci |grep ETH to find out what model of network card you've got, then use modconf to find a module for that card, and load it. |
| 02:28.49 | zakame | hi all! |
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| 02:28.54 | cthulfuego | fusion: Then it's not running. |
| 02:28.59 | blackmariah | damn, forgot I had to REMOVE the glcore shit. *head against wall. Again.* |
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| 02:29.12 | fusion | cthulfuego: Yes.. but the logfile says it already is and then "terminating" |
| 02:29.16 | ml267 | donelelcaro: don't mess with the magical incantations ; ) |
| 02:29.17 | abrotman | cafuego: thank you .. i was getting confused :) |
| 02:29.51 | cafueghu | muahaha! |
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| 02:32.27 | stallman | Guerin what is the command for modconf "networkcard model" |
| 02:32.40 | Guerin | stallman: there isn't one |
| 02:32.42 | helloyo | i'm looking at 17" monitors, and was wondering what you guys run yours on? 1280, or 1024? because this one only has 60Hz at 1280 |
| 02:32.45 | stallman | I'm guessing that is what it is |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | stallman: just tell me the name of the fucking card |
| 02:32.48 | abrotman | stallman: you run modconf .. and find it |
| 02:32.49 | bmwii | hello, my xfree86 crashed for some unknown reason and now there aren't any screens to which to connect. What steps should I take to chase down the problem? |
| 02:33.03 | cafueghu | Sheesh, I can't even remember the last time I configured a 2.4 kernel <heh> |
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| 02:33.34 | cafueghu | helloyo: All LCDs run at 60Hz |
| 02:33.50 | dvs | stallman: lspci | grep -i ethernet |
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| 02:34.04 | cafueghu | helloyo: And any half-decent 17" LCD runs at 1280x960 |
| 02:34.07 | helloyo | cafueghu, i'm after a CRT, and they can look a bit flickery with 60 dont they? |
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| 02:34.35 | cafueghu | helloyo: A 17' CRT should be able to do 1600x1200 at 60Mhz minimum. Don' bother with it otherwise. |
| 02:34.50 | helloyo | cafueghu, yeah, the one i'm looking at is fairly decent, but its 1280@60Hz, or 1024@85Hz |
| 02:34.55 | cafueghu | Eh, 17" and 60Hz ;-) |
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| 02:35.30 | cafueghu | helloyo: That seems low-end if you ask me. (But then, I *am* used to trinitrons) |
| 02:35.35 | macula | hello, i uninstalled a package via apt-get remove, it left some remaining directories, i deleled them... Now im trying to reinstall the package, and it wont populate the directory that i manually deleted.. any suggetions |
| 02:36.17 | helloyo | cafueghu, its a good value philips, so nothing ground breaking |
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| 02:36.30 | weems | how do i add repos to apt-get? |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | weems: with an editor |
| 02:36.45 | weems | i know |
| 02:36.47 | Lord-Cereburus | hey abrotman |
| 02:36.47 | weems | what file |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:37.03 | Lord-Cereburus | dude, i'm having a kernel issue |
| 02:37.08 | Lord-Cereburus | when i boot up 2.6.8 |
| 02:37.13 | nailbiter | weems: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:37.27 | Lord-Cereburus | i get "please append a proper root=" |
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| 02:37.34 | Lord-Cereburus | and i do have "root=current" |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: what did you do? |
| 02:37.36 | Lord-Cereburus | on that thing |
| 02:37.39 | zakame | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | root=current? |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 02:37.43 | stallman | <Guerin> ok. so you said use modconf to find a module for the card.. how does that happen if modconf is not a command? |
| 02:37.59 | bmwii | will someone help me solve a x problem, my server crashed an I have no screens to which to connect to after a reboot. Where should I start troubleshooting? |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | stallman: modprobe <driver? |
| 02:38.08 | ml267 | i wonder what kinds of problems one could run into by having a username more than 8 chars long? |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: is this a debian kernel? |
| 02:38.26 | abrotman | stallman: do you know what driver you need? |
| 02:38.28 | cliechti | macula, "remove" leaves the configs "dpkg -P <pkgname>" removes them too, maybe try that before reinstalling |
| 02:38.38 | Lord-Cereburus | «abrotman» yes, and i read that root=current just takes the previous root= line and uses it |
| 02:38.50 | Lord-Cereburus | but it gives the same error when i use root=/dev/hda4 |
| 02:38.51 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: never heard that .. are you using lilo? |
| 02:38.55 | Lord-Cereburus | lilo yes |
| 02:38.58 | Guerin | ftlog |
| 02:39.01 | ml267 | i notice that some things look ugly because most command outputs expect only 8 char names |
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| 02:39.12 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: tell you what .. i had the same issue . i installed grub . problem goes away .. no clue why :) |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: you ok with grub? |
| 02:39.23 | stallman | <abrotman> yes I need the driver for a via network card |
| 02:39.39 | Guerin | stallman: don't use <nick> - it means you're quoting someone |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | hmm .. via network card .. what is that? |
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| 02:39.48 | abrotman | viarhine? |
| 02:39.57 | Guerin | stallman: run 'modconf' - if it's not installed, INSTALL IT. |
| 02:39.57 | stallman | ok sorry bout that |
| 02:39.59 | abrotman | stallman: which kernel ? |
| 02:40.06 | abrotman | Guerin: no network .. no install :) |
| 02:40.15 | mr_garrison | ls |
| 02:40.17 | Guerin | aargh |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | mr_garrison: no! |
| 02:40.20 | nailbiter | ml267: well, quite a few programs are hardwired with 8-character buffers for usernames. :) it's just hard to tell ahead of time .. |
| 02:40.28 | stallman | 2.4.17 |
| 02:40.29 | Lord-Cereburus | alright, i'll give grub a go |
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| 02:40.42 | abrotman | stallman: you're trying to run modconf as root right? |
| 02:40.48 | stallman | yes |
| 02:40.48 | nailbiter | ml267: real problems only arise when you're trying to resolve backwards from long usernames to uids . |
| 02:40.52 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: that was my fix .. i never found the problem |
| 02:41.00 | macula | cliechti : thanks :) |
| 02:41.08 | Lord-Cereburus | one other thing, do you know of any good howto's for wifi in linux?(besides the kernel editing, i already did that hehe) |
| 02:41.17 | ml267 | nailbiter: you mean system functions that do this? |
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| 02:41.36 | abrotman | !wireless |
| 02:41.36 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux |
| 02:41.39 | bmwii | will someone help me get x back up, it crashed and won't restart. I don't know where to start troubleshooting. |
| 02:41.42 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks :) |
| 02:41.48 | abrotman | bmwii: /var/log/ |
| 02:41.51 | Guerin | 11:29:58 < Guerin> stallman: just tell me the name of the fucking card |
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| 02:41.58 | Lord-Cereburus | alright, have a good one and thanks again abrotman |
| 02:41.59 | Lord-Cereburus | :) |
| 02:42.04 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: hopefully it works |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | !bless Lord-Cereburus |
| 02:42.07 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Lord-Cereburus, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:42.11 | Guerin | stallman: the line from lspci |
| 02:42.13 | Lord-Cereburus | hehe |
| 02:42.54 | ml267 | nailbiter: one of my users really wants an 11 char name... I'm letting him try it... if it's too painful, I suppose I can change it back by editing the passwd/group/shadow files |
| 02:42.56 | nailbiter | ml267: yes, they do. the C library will deal with long usernames just fine. i just don't know which user programs don't .. |
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| 02:43.19 | bmwii | abrotman: Thanks. All I've been able to find in the logs is "no screens found" |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | bmwii: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 02:43.43 | bmwii | k |
| 02:44.12 | nailbiter | ml267: by the way, i'd recommend you use useradd/usermod/userdel to manipulate /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd. :) |
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| 02:44.41 | bmwii | abrotman: says screens found but none with a useable configuration |
| 02:44.45 | ml267 | nailbiter: oh, i didn't know you could use those to modify |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | bmwii: well .. what did you change? |
| 02:45.11 | bmwii | nothing, x just crashed while i was working |
| 02:45.31 | bmwii | i haven't touched x configs or anything related since I set it up in the first place |
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| 02:45.45 | nvz | is there a way I could tell if there are new packages? like I seen this game package barrage, and it looks new, but I dont know how to tell when it was added.. is this kept track of publicly? |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | bmwii: well ... sounds like maybe you sohuld reconfigure X ... |
| 02:46.07 | bmwii | alright ill give it a shot |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | nvz: read what you just wrote before i smack you! |
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| 02:46.24 | Manet | Hi! Any sugguestions as to how install debian on a computer with no monitor? :p |
| 02:46.29 | nvz | ok? |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | nvz: like i seen? |
| 02:46.37 | nailbiter | ml267: you may need to perform a serial installation. :) |
| 02:46.37 | abrotman | nvz: like i seen? |
| 02:46.44 | nailbiter | Manet: you may need to perform a serial installation. :) |
| 02:46.46 | nailbiter | ml267: oops, wrong guy |
| 02:46.50 | Manet | ugh.. no way to use NIC? |
| 02:46.55 | nvz | oh well |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | Manet: yes .. but not blindly |
| 02:46.56 | cat | damn i cant get my sata hd working on deb |
| 02:46.59 | cat | sux |
| 02:47.03 | abrotman | !tell cat about d-i |
| 02:47.04 | nvz | I got a kid in my lap sticking her feet in my face |
| 02:47.09 | abrotman | !tell cat about dog |
| 02:47.21 | nailbiter | Manet: well, you may need to build a custom kernel (with TCP console support) for that. it gets very tricky .. |
| 02:47.24 | cat | ;P |
| 02:47.25 | romulo | no process left ont his runlevel, what that means? kernel stops after it |
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| 02:47.42 | xerath | If I accidentially deleted my init.d/apache file, how do I fix it? |
| 02:47.49 | abrotman | Manet: you can't temporarily attach a monitor? |
| 02:47.57 | mtnman | manet: the easy solution would be to borrow a monitor. |
| 02:48.01 | abrotman | Manet: you can use FAI i think maybe to do it |
| 02:48.39 | romulo | how do i force one fsck at start?? |
| 02:48.43 | Manet | FAI? |
| 02:48.45 | nailbiter | romulo: touch /.forcefsck |
| 02:48.46 | Guerin | Manet: boot it into knoppix; shell in; use debootstrap; hope. |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | !tell Manet about fai |
| 02:48.58 | nailbiter | Manet: another way would be to boot a knoppix disc in cluster mode, then SSH in |
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| 02:49.18 | Manet | okay, thanks for answers :) |
| 02:49.21 | xerath | After a reboot, PHP just simply stopped working. My browser tries to download the index file instead of displaying it. I do believe all my configs are correct since it worked before I rebooted. |
| 02:49.28 | nailbiter | Manet: try the nice people at #knoppix. :) |
| 02:49.35 | nvz | abrotman: In synaptic it shows a star on the status if there is an update of an installed package. What I want to know is if the date packages are added, so I could either just list packages that are newly added |
| 02:49.38 | abrotman | fai sounds better |
| 02:49.48 | romulo | nailbiter, the kernel doesnt boo |
| 02:49.54 | romulo | boot* |
| 02:49.59 | abrotman | nvz: you mean .. added in general to the archive? .. like with DWN lists new packages? |
| 02:50.04 | romulo | id 1-5 respawning too fast |
| 02:50.14 | abrotman | use 6 |
| 02:50.16 | nailbiter | romulo: kernel doesn't boot? you're hung at the LILO prompt? |
| 02:50.27 | romulo | 6 too |
| 02:50.37 | romulo | nailbiter, nah, it starts booting, got on init 5, and then it stops on it |
| 02:50.43 | bmwii | abrotman, where do I find the current config so I can get my refresh rates and such? |
| 02:50.53 | nvz | abrotman: well I am using sarge.. I have tested or at least read about most woody packages, but I like to know about new things.. It would be nice to have a way to show just new packages and not have to search through all 15000+ packages every month |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | bmwii: /etc/X11 |
| 02:51.00 | romulo | on the /var/log/messages it is complaining about wrong space on disk |
| 02:51.05 | bmwii | kk thx again |
| 02:51.11 | mr_garrison | i have a question |
| 02:51.16 | abrotman | nvz: DWN tells us the new packages |
| 02:51.16 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. type in 'linux single' at the LILO prompt to boot into single-user mode. |
| 02:51.29 | abrotman | nvz: like this week gaupaco or something was added |
| 02:51.30 | mr_garrison | where do you find the environment variables that i can edit |
| 02:51.31 | nailbiter | romulo: or whatever you've named your kernel image, if it's not 'linux'. :) |
| 02:51.39 | nvz | abrotman: debian weekly news? |
| 02:52.20 | mr_garrison | where is the environment variable file in linux? |
| 02:52.22 | romulo | k ;) |
| 02:52.23 | bmwii | brb |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | nvz: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/current/issue/ .. check "New or Noteworthy Packages" |
| 02:52.31 | orchid | mr_garrison: set | less if your in bash |
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| 02:53.12 | ml267 | mr_garrison: maybe you mean where you usually set env vars? |
| 02:53.26 | romulo | nailbiter, single doesnt boot too |
| 02:53.31 | ml267 | mr_garrison: that would be your shell's initialization files. .bash_profile, .bashrc, and the like |
| 02:53.42 | nailbiter | romulo: so, what happens when you try booting into single-user mode? |
| 02:53.50 | nvz | abrotman: well thats not so much what I want, but I might as well read that once in awhile |
| 02:53.54 | xerath | If I accidentially deleted my init.d/apache file, how do I replace it? |
| 02:53.58 | abrotman | nvz: yes .. you might as welll .. |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | nvz: as far as what you're really asking .. i don't know of any way to do that |
| 02:54.12 | Lord-Cereburus | «abrotman» one other thing, on X, i have kde 3.3, and i installed enlightenment and realised that i really really dont like it. On other accounts besides root it runs the default(from install) desktop manager, but with root it runs enlightenment. how can i revert back ? |
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| 02:54.22 | nailbiter | xerath: reinstall the apache package. it'll ask if you want to overwrite or keep your _other_ apache configuration files |
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| 02:54.27 | nvz | abrotman: I installed all the games the kid can or would want to play, I would like to be able to just ask my package manager what new games have been added I havent seen yet |
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| 02:54.29 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: uninstall it? |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: or set /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager maybe? |
| 02:54.51 | romulo | nailbiter, id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 02:54.54 | Lord-Cereburus | i did, and now it just closes X when i run it on root |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | nvz: did you try torcs? |
| 02:54.57 | romulo | and again and again, any time i wait |
| 02:54.59 | xerath | nailbiter: Actually, I've tried that. It wasn't recreated. |
| 02:55.22 | nailbiter | xerath: did you dpkg-reconfigure or actually reinstall the package? |
| 02:55.32 | xerath | nailbiter: Tried both. |
| 02:55.44 | cliechti | xearth: maybe helps update-rc.d |
| 02:55.47 | romulo | nailbiter, b4 that i get umount: devfs: not mounted; mount: unknown filesystem type devfs |
| 02:55.50 | xerath | Do I need to purge the package? |
| 02:55.50 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. try booting with 'linux init=/bin/bash'. |
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| 02:56.05 | nailbiter | xerath: you shouldn't need to. do you have a copy of the apache package in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 02:56.06 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: well .. that's nto good |
| 02:56.13 | nvz | abrotman: na, she doesnt seem to care for those kind of games, she likes supertux a lot. and I made her a link that opens cartoonetwork.com's game page.. though she can only play the flash games with the flash-nonfree, the shockwave games she's SOL |
| 02:56.19 | xerath | nailbiter: I would think so... dpkg -X might reveal it, yes? |
| 02:56.35 | mccbaka | hey.. what's the name of that environment variable gcc uses to find headers again? |
| 02:56.35 | mccbaka | C_INCLUDE_HEADERS or something? |
| 02:56.36 | Lord-Cereburus | and is there any way to shut off the pc speaker in debian? its kind of irretating |
| 02:56.39 | nailbiter | xerath: no, just look in the directory. :) 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/apache*.deb' |
| 02:56.45 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Cereburus: unplug the stupid thing |
| 02:56.53 | Lord-Cereburus | «dondelelcaro» laptop... |
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| 02:57.13 | cliechti | xearth: try "update-rc.d apache defaults" |
| 02:57.13 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Cereburus: alternatively, use aumix or alsamixer; to turn down whatever level controls it. |
| 02:57.14 | xerath | nailbiter: yes, it's there |
| 02:57.18 | romulo | nailbiter, well i got nothing but a black screen ;) |
| 02:57.21 | Lord-Cereburus | alrighty |
| 02:57.22 | nvz | mccbaka: *shrug* I would say $PATH but wtf do I know, check a makefile, it probably says |
| 02:57.23 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks guys |
| 02:57.26 | Lord-Cereburus | going to try all this now |
| 02:57.27 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Cereburus: nothing really is stoping you from cracking the laptop and disabling the speaker... |
| 02:57.29 | nailbiter | mccbaka: normally, you'd just add extra include directories with '-I/path/to/include/dir'. :) |
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| 02:57.39 | Lord-Cereburus | «dondelelcaro» the warrenty is =\ |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | wow .. Torcs is actually pretty good |
| 02:57.47 | nailbiter | romulo: did you recently upgrade your kernel, or boot into one you'd built yourself? |
| 02:57.56 | romulo | nailbiter, no, i just rebooted and got that |
| 02:58.06 | Lord-Cereburus | anyway, brb |
| 02:58.20 | mccbaka | nail: yes, but i'm having to deal with the terrors that is perl XS.. hmm.. well actually maybe i can do that, i'll try thanks |
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| 02:58.40 | dondelelcaro | mccbaka: perl XS isn't that bad... |
| 02:58.44 | nailbiter | xerath: ok. you could do a 'cd /tmp; dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile /var/cache/apt/archives/apache-common*.deb | tar xvf - \*init.d\*' |
| 02:58.47 | mr_garrison | i tried set | less, but it didnt work |
| 02:58.52 | xerath | nailbiter: Thank you. I found it. |
| 02:59.07 | mr_garrison | to edit my environment variables |
| 02:59.17 | romulo | nailbiter, ill eat something, brb and talk with u |
| 02:59.22 | xerath | nailbiter: I just did a dpkg -X apache_1*.deb /tmp, I found it there. |
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| 02:59.39 | xerath | I still can't figure out why on earth PHP just stopped working after a reboot. |
| 02:59.43 | nailbiter | romulo: are you sure you got a 'respawning too fast' error when you booted into single-user mode? you should only have one console when you do, and you'd be prompted for the root password .. |
| 03:00.04 | nailbiter | xerath: yay. :) this is really dodgy, but hey -- what works, works. |
| 03:00.26 | helloyo | how would i go about adding a keysym? |
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| 03:00.41 | a_monkey | oops |
| 03:00.45 | a_monkey | wrong channel |
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| 03:00.53 | nailbiter | xerath: if you have a server-info page, perhaps you could visit that and check that you have a mime-type added for the PHP handler .. |
| 03:00.54 | mccbaka | yup, it works, thanks |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 03:00.56 | mr_garrison | are environment variables set somewhere else than .bashrc & .bash_profile |
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| 03:01.12 | xerath | nailbiter: I do. I've double-checked it. |
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| 03:01.30 | elvisthedj | Hey, does anybody know of a command line app to change the framebuffer image? |
| 03:02.00 | abrotman | nvz: you sohuld try torcs :) |
| 03:02.05 | nailbiter | xerath: also, try a shift-reload in your browser (or at least clear its disk cache). it's thrown me a couple of times. :) |
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| 03:02.25 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: the framebuffer logo you see at boot time? of tux the penguin? |
| 03:02.27 | [Cadet] | mr_garrison: /etc/profile /etc/bash/bashrc |
| 03:02.28 | xerath | nailbiter: LOL! That actually worked. |
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| 03:02.32 | xerath | I feel like an idiot now. |
| 03:02.37 | xerath | Thank you! Saved my day ;) |
| 03:02.46 | [Cadet] | oops /etc/bash.bashrc that is |
| 03:03.05 | nailbiter | xerath: cool. :) |
| 03:03.14 | xerath | Good night! |
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| 03:04.00 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: right. I mean, I know it has to be an initrd right at boot, but can't you change it after that without rebooting?? |
| 03:04.07 | larrikin | framebuffer doesn't do any real acceleration does it ? |
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| 03:05.08 | ml267 | i've done apt-get source package to get sources for something, is there a special way for me to build it besides "make"? |
| 03:05.21 | maher | ml267: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 03:05.38 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: for instance, if you're booting in silent mode and then switch to verbose.. seems like there should be a way to change images on the fly.. so you could do dorky things like animate your silent boot screen by swapping images during bootup :D |
| 03:05.38 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: actually, that logo is hardwired into the kernel. :) |
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| 03:06.01 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: I'm not using bootsplish. i'm using gensplash |
| 03:06.12 | ml267 | do I have to have root privs to build packages? |
| 03:06.21 | maher | ml267: use fakeroot |
| 03:06.32 | bmwii | abrotman, thanks for the help, turns out the fix was easy as I had the good sense to leave a xf86Config.working when I set things up |
| 03:06.33 | helloyo | why do i have to rename files on my desktop twice? first time nothing happens, second time it works... |
| 03:06.38 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: oh, i see. in that case, you'll need to use the gensplash theme tool to append the images to your initrd .. |
| 03:06.42 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: i've been in #gentoo for an hour and nobody seems to know .. or nobody will answer.. i'd be happy to read a man |
| 03:06.48 | elvisthedj | but, don't know what util |
| 03:07.18 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/archive/gensplash-in-5-easy-steps.txt |
| 03:07.27 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: i've only ever used bootsplash before, i'm sorry |
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| 03:07.44 | bmwii | elvisthedj, what do you spin? =) |
| 03:07.46 | swatikiss | i'm having issues syncing my palm with evolution - it worked once - now it syncs with gnome-pilot but things don't sync b/t my palm - evo.? |
| 03:07.54 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: but do take a look at spock's page; he's the maintainer of all the gensplash (http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash) stuff. |
| 03:08.20 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: Ohhhh.. I've been thinking that qingy does it so it must be possible, but now that i think about it, that's a directfb app :( so that doesn't help me during bootup |
| 03:08.30 | cafueghu | Do you REALLY reboot 10 times a day, that you need an fb interface to make booting even slower, and have somehting to look at? |
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| 03:09.23 | abrotman | swatikiss: irc.gnome.org has a channel for you |
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| 03:09.36 | elvisthedj | cafueghu: you feeling ok?? you upset about somethin man?? you need a hug? |
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| 03:09.54 | boukensya | hey guys.. just wondering with mkisofs how can I set the label of the ISO i make? cheers |
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| 03:10.13 | GlitchMaster | Would somebody mind assisting me with my sound issues? |
| 03:10.16 | abrotman | man mkisofs doesn't say? |
| 03:10.18 | GlitchMaster | I'm back to bug you all again. |
| 03:10.19 | cafueghu | elvisthedj: No, just wondering why anyone would 1) need to make a slow process slower or 2) need a gui for something they look at once ever 2 months, when a new kernel is released. |
| 03:10.35 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 03:10.37 | boukensya | well I searched for label and I can't find what I need |
| 03:11.13 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Nothing. |
| 03:11.18 | nailbiter | cafueghu: eye candy is very important for some people. :) |
| 03:11.19 | mccbaka | cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/audio |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | McCabe: that's not nice |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | err mccbaka |
| 03:11.43 | elvisthedj | cafueghu: gensplash hasn't made a noticible difference in my boot time... it's not a "gui" .. it's just that I like seeing Peter Griffin from family guy when i boot up :D |
| 03:11.50 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 03:12.00 | mccbaka | not nice? it's awesome! |
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| 03:12.11 | mccbaka | /dev/urandom is boring anyhow |
| 03:12.20 | helloyo | elvisthedj, to have a splashscreen at boot, do you need to recompile the kernel? |
| 03:12.22 | abrotman | mccbaka: screw off |
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| 03:12.32 | elvisthedj | cafueghu: I seem to be rebooting quite a bit lately since i've been trying to get drivers for my webcam working |
| 03:12.38 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: I get nothing, but I'll be right back. |
| 03:12.40 | nailbiter | helloyo: yes -- you need to apply a kernel patch. |
| 03:12.44 | elvisthedj | helloyo: if you're kernel isn't patched |
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| 03:13.09 | elvisthedj | helloyo: I'm actually using gentoo, I know nothing of debain.. in my case, the dev sources are patched .. |
| 03:13.28 | helloyo | nailbiter, so once you have the patch, you have to recompile as well? |
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| 03:13.43 | mccbaka | ok |
| 03:13.53 | r3m | Hi, any daemon i run stop working after random time... but still in background process, i've look in /var/log/messages and i see alot of line like that (local host -- MARK --), what is that? |
| 03:13.55 | cafueghu | helloyo: only if you want to change the image. |
| 03:13.55 | nailbiter | helloyo: yes, of course. :) |
| 03:13.57 | elvisthedj | cafueghu: Aren't you gonna ask me why I need a webcam? why do i need to make an annoying waste of time even more annoying by adding a picture to it? :p |
| 03:14.19 | cafueghu | dondelelcaro: 2.4.29-rc3, first run, 814K |
| 03:14.20 | nailbiter | cafueghu: you don't have to recompile to change your bootsplash/gensplash theme -- the theme images (and logic) is appended to your initrd .. |
| 03:14.39 | cafueghu | elvisthedj: As long as I don't accidentally get to see your face I tyhink I'll be right |
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| 03:14.52 | helloyo | cafueghu, i want a boot spash... but i've never recompiled... so i guess not |
| 03:14.59 | cafueghu | nailbiter: provided you use an initrd kernel. |
| 03:15.23 | elvisthedj | cafueghu: LOL .. see .. I knew you had hostility man. You need to have some kids to abuse |
| 03:15.32 | elvisthedj | get it out of your system |
| 03:15.51 | cafueghu | elvisthedj: Kids? |
| 03:15.55 | jiohdi | can anyone asst me with a wine problem? |
| 03:15.59 | elvisthedj | elvisthedj: Offspring.. not goats |
| 03:16.03 | cafueghu | elvisthedj: I don't like them, even when they'e done medium-rare. |
| 03:16.13 | nailbiter | helloyo: well, if you're really feeling adventurous -- try www.bootsplash.org |
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| 03:16.20 | Covener | Aside from setting XFT_DEBUG and running xterm -fa xyz, is there a way to pass a string to fontconfig and see what font/properties you'd end up with? |
| 03:16.32 | jiohdi | I installed a windows program with wine, but now I cant find it |
| 03:16.38 | r3m | in my /etc/hosts for the l0 i got that (127.0.0.1 localhost debian) i miss a parameter? |
| 03:16.46 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: thx for takin' the time man.. cafueghu : thanks for the entertainment.. every channel needs a pissed off guy |
| 03:16.58 | abrotman | jiohdi: check your ~/.wine/.fake_windows |
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| 03:17.25 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: hope you see griffin's mug on next boot |
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| 03:17.36 | jiohdi | is .wine a hidden file? |
| 03:17.37 | abrotman | err .. ~/.wine/fake_windows |
| 03:17.43 | abrotman | jiohdi: i guess |
| 03:17.51 | nailbiter | r3m: -- MARK -- is used to mark time. :) syslog prints those to show it's not down, but idle |
| 03:18.03 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: i got that part :) |
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| 03:18.20 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: One more thing.. Any idea how to toggle between the images in the initrd? |
| 03:18.20 | cafueghu | elvisthedj: We have mwilson here for that role. |
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| 03:18.38 | elvisthedj | cafueghu: I'll take that as a warning |
| 03:18.45 | jiohdi | abrot, I have no idea where to look, I dont see it |
| 03:18.57 | ghc | Has anyone had any bad experiences doing a small upgrade of libc6 on a production server? |
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| 03:19.10 | FieldySnuts | you don't touch libc6 on a production server... |
| 03:19.13 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: well, you can toggle between the 'silent' image and the 'verbose' background image .. |
| 03:19.17 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: More like.. any idea if there IS a way. seems like there must be since, as i sai you can switch between silent and verbose |
| 03:19.18 | bluefox83 | never ran a production server.. |
| 03:19.22 | cafueghu | ghc: If the libc6 is in an update from security.debian.org it will be fine. |
| 03:19.27 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: doh.. ok then :) |
| 03:19.27 | nailbiter | elvisthedj: but i don't think you can actually embed multiple images in the initrd to cycle through .. |
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| 03:19.38 | cafueghu | FieldySnuts: If you got it from ANYWHERE else, don't install it. |
| 03:19.41 | romulo | nailbiter, im back, no problems fixed |
| 03:19.45 | ghc | yes, libc6 is an update from security.debian.org |
| 03:19.53 | elvisthedj | nailbiter: gotcha :) peace man |
| 03:19.55 | cafueghu | ghc: Then it'll be fine, yes. |
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| 03:20.09 | maher | ghc: what you need is a test server, just like the production box |
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| 03:20.19 | jiohdi | ghc, I dont recall exactly if it was libc6, but I did an install of something like it and it crashed my system |
| 03:20.34 | cafueghu | ghc: It'll ask if it can restart services.. you can always tell it 'no' and restart 'em whe the system is idle. |
| 03:20.35 | romulo | not even single boots my system |
| 03:20.38 | nailbiter | romulo: when you booted into single-user mode, were you prompted for the root password? or did you simply end up booting normally? |
| 03:21.35 | mike__ | hi, how can i set up debian to be a printer client. All i can find is docs on being a printer server :-\. I've installed SYSCUPS-Client |
| 03:21.36 | cafueghu | How odd, 2.4.29-preX won't compile without IDE and SCSI if SMP is disabled <heh> |
| 03:21.53 | romulo | nailbiter, ended boot normally |
| 03:21.55 | cafueghu | mike__: install cupsys and add a remote printer |
| 03:22.08 | nailbiter | romulo: very strange. :) |
| 03:22.15 | mike__ | cafueghu: what about drivers? |
| 03:22.15 | abrotman | cafueghu: it's for your own protection :) |
| 03:22.32 | romulo | nailbiter, yeah.... |
| 03:22.41 | romulo | nailbiter, do you have any idea? |
| 03:22.43 | nailbiter | romulo: what exactly happened when you booted with init=/bin/bash? |
| 03:23.00 | nailbiter | romulo: did you get _any_ messages at all after the 'linux loading.....' banner? |
| 03:23.04 | romulo | nailbiter, i ended on nothing, the cursor skipped one line and i didnt got bash booted |
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| 03:23.10 | romulo | yeah got |
| 03:23.31 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. do you have any rescue media to boot off? the woody installation disc, perhaps? |
| 03:23.47 | nailbiter | romulo: it's pretty hard to tell what's going on without any clues like this. :-\ |
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| 03:24.18 | romulo | nailbiter, yeah i got, but when i booted it , it didnt worked too, let me check whats the error, again |
| 03:25.05 | GlitchMaster | I'm back. |
| 03:25.08 | FieldySnuts | @lart romulo |
| 03:25.13 | coax | does somebody know how to recall an app that runs in the backgroun (the specifig app is vim) |
| 03:25.19 | abrotman | !wb GlitchMaster |
| 03:25.20 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! GlitchMaster has returned! |
| 03:25.38 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" brings up nothing. I think I've hit an error. |
| 03:25.41 | nailbiter | coax: if the job number is, say, 1 -- 'fg 1' |
| 03:25.46 | romulo | FieldySnuts, what? |
| 03:25.46 | nailbiter | coax: use 'jobs' to see what's backgrounded. |
| 03:25.48 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: you think? |
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| 03:26.10 | GlitchMaster | This has happened before: If I put anything into a terminal, I get nothing in return, not even a new prompt. |
| 03:26.25 | nailbiter | romulo: he asked robot, ravenbird, to @lart you. :) |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: i think you broke your debian |
| 03:26.33 | coax | nailbiter: cool thanks... |
| 03:26.43 | romulo | nailbiter, k, my system is reiserfs, any problem with that? |
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| 03:27.06 | nailbiter | romulo: you won't know until you get a chance to reiserfsck it. :) |
| 03:27.12 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Lies! I love my debian! I'm good to it! |
| 03:27.27 | romulo | nailbiter, k i booted woody (rescue) and i got on the login screen, cant type my username and pass either, it seens wrong |
| 03:27.59 | nailbiter | romulo: login screen? you should get a 'Welcome to woody' banner from the installer program. |
| 03:28.01 | romulo | unable to change tty /dev/tty1: Read-Only file system |
| 03:28.21 | romulo | nailbiter, i didnt started the install prog, i called rescue |
| 03:28.29 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: ok .. don't let me take the good meds away |
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| 03:28.46 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. try booting into the installer. then hit F2 to jump go to a shell. |
| 03:28.58 | nailbiter | romulo: err .. Alt-F2 to jump to a console with a shell. |
| 03:28.58 | Thaiger | Does anyone know if I can run nessus through a proxy? |
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| 03:29.24 | GlitchMaster | Well, I probably need to reboot before anything else, since I have no bash access. |
| 03:29.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:29.35 | romulo | nailbiter, k |
| 03:29.45 | k-man | is there a way to get apt-src to download, build and install a package all in one hit? |
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| 03:30.09 | nailbiter | k-man: download and build, yes. 'apt-get source -b <sourcepackagename>' |
| 03:30.44 | nailbiter | k-man: actually, you probably want to do a 'apt-get build-dep' first (to pull in any packages needed for the build). |
| 03:31.10 | romulo | nailbiter, k im on console |
| 03:31.16 | JoshTriplett | Any other users of tpconfig around? I use tpconfig to turn off tapping at boot time, but it stopped working when I upgraded from 2.6.6 to 2.6.10; I get the message "fatal: No Synaptics or ALPS touchpad found". Google doesn't seem to turn up anything relevant. |
| 03:31.25 | abrotman | can we lock the door? |
| 03:31.33 | k-man | nailbiter, what about apt-src? |
| 03:31.38 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: ? |
| 03:31.39 | nailbiter | reiserfsck your root filesystem. :) |
| 03:31.45 | nailbiter | romulo: ^^ |
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| 03:32.12 | abrotman | JoshTriplett: to the channel :) |
| 03:32.18 | GlitchMaster | Greetings. |
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| 03:32.21 | romulo | nailbiter, k |
| 03:32.32 | JoshTriplett | abrotman: I figured that; I just wondered what prompted it. |
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| 03:32.50 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" Still returns nothing. |
| 03:32.50 | jazzanova | hi |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: are you in X? |
| 03:32.59 | jazzanova | something weird is happenning to my computer |
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| 03:33.06 | jazzanova | its like as if there is no disk space |
| 03:33.06 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: I' |
| 03:33.12 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: I'm in GNOME, in X. |
| 03:33.15 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Run "df -h". |
| 03:33.22 | jazzanova | the daemons can't start, and i can't run screen, it says that theres is no more pty's |
| 03:33.28 | romulo | nailbiter, e2fsck? |
| 03:33.30 | JoshTriplett | GlitchMaster: killall esd and try again. |
| 03:33.30 | jazzanova | df -h sshows that i have space |
| 03:33.31 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 03:33.34 | romulo | nailbiter, cant find reiserfsck |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: and check your volumes |
| 03:33.39 | jazzanova | what else could it be ? |
| 03:33.43 | Rebecca | can someone give me an opinion which is better: xmule or amule? |
| 03:33.47 | GlitchMaster | JoshTripplett: I uninstalled esd. |
| 03:33.48 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Run "mount"; check if /dev/pts is mounted. |
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| 03:33.51 | GlitchMaster | JoshTripplett: Tis removed. |
| 03:33.52 | mike__ | amule |
| 03:34.00 | JoshTriplett | GlitchMaster: lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
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| 03:34.24 | jazzanova | i don't have /dev/pts |
| 03:34.27 | jazzanova | what is that ? |
| 03:34.27 | Rebecca | mike__: ok :) any reason why? |
| 03:34.37 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: are your volumes up? |
| 03:34.40 | GlitchMaster | "lsof | grep /dev/dsp" returns nothing, but "lsof" returns everything. |
| 03:34.47 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: The filesystem that controls ptys. |
| 03:34.51 | jazzanova | ah, ok |
| 03:35.01 | jazzanova | as root i can run screen, but as my user it says no more ptys |
| 03:35.03 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: I don't know why it wouldn't be mounted; one second. |
| 03:35.21 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah, that's one other thought; ls -l /dev/ptmx |
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| 03:35.28 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Yes. |
| 03:35.30 | nailbiter | romulo: no /sbin/fsck.reiserfs either? |
| 03:35.43 | helloyo | is there much i can stuff up by recompiling my kernel? |
| 03:35.46 | jazzanova | crw-rw-rw- 2 root tty 5, 2 2000-11-30 10:23 /dev/ptmx |
| 03:35.59 | romulo | no |
| 03:35.59 | dendrite | helloyo: Of course! :-) |
| 03:36.16 | JoshTriplett | helloyo: Tons. |
| 03:36.22 | dendrite | helloyo: Is there much you can stuff up by replacing the foundation of your house? |
| 03:36.30 | nailbiter | jazzanova: check that /dev/pts is a+rx as well .. |
| 03:36.32 | jazzanova | Jan 18 22:20:27 lebesgue kernel: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
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| 03:36.37 | jazzanova | this was in my syslog |
| 03:36.43 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Uh oh. |
| 03:36.46 | GlitchMaster | I'm still getting that error from XMMS. |
| 03:36.54 | helloyo | dendrite, JoshTriplett, so its not a case of, nothing works, switch back to old kernel? |
| 03:36.59 | GlitchMaster | It still cannot use the soundcard properly. |
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| 03:37.05 | jazzanova | this is the problem them ? its not repeating |
| 03:37.08 | JoshTriplett | helloyo: Yes, you can always switch to your old kernel. |
| 03:37.13 | GlitchMaster | This happened after I disabled the onboard sound. |
| 03:37.15 | JoshTriplett | helloyo: (assuming you don't remove it) |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: can't you just start over? |
| 03:37.18 | nailbiter | romulo: rats. :-\ can you mount your root filesystem manually at /mnt? |
| 03:37.19 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Just one line? |
| 03:37.20 | dendrite | helloyo: Well, that's often the case, but it *is* possible to make it difficult to get back... |
| 03:37.20 | jazzanova | i am in X, and most things work, i am talking from this computer |
| 03:37.25 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: That might be OK. |
| 03:37.29 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: ?! |
| 03:37.30 | jazzanova | Jan 18 22:20:27 lebesgue kernel: hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 03:37.31 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Hmmm. |
| 03:37.32 | nailbiter | romulo: does it start spewing i/o errors to the console then? |
| 03:37.38 | jazzanova | and this line, and thats it |
| 03:38.02 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: might be easier |
| 03:38.04 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: ls -ld /dev/pts |
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| 03:38.10 | bluefox83 | uhm..glitchmaster..i have an idea |
| 03:38.13 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: you're not getting a system error? |
| 03:38.16 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Reformat?! |
| 03:38.16 | romulo | nailbiter, let me try mount it |
| 03:38.20 | romulo | nailbiter, will boot with 2.4 |
| 03:38.23 | jazzanova | looks like a directory |
| 03:38.24 | bluefox83 | you might try making sure you disabled the correct soundcard.. |
| 03:38.24 | abrotman | ok .. never mind |
| 03:38.25 | romulo | 2.2 doesnt support reiser |
| 03:38.26 | nailbiter | romulo: oooh |
| 03:38.30 | GlitchMaster | Abrotman: Not exactly. |
| 03:38.31 | jazzanova | owned by root.root |
| 03:38.32 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Yes; permissions? |
| 03:38.52 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I disabled onboard sound. It's not a sound card. It's an audio controller chip for the board. |
| 03:38.54 | nailbiter | romulo: the 2.2 installation image wouldn't have a copy of reiserfsck, you know |
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| 03:38.57 | jazzanova | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2004-05-07 04:51 /dev/pts/ |
| 03:39.00 | mike__ | so, what happens with the printer drivers.. I just add a printer using lpadmin and is that it? |
| 03:39.05 | Nate | Hey guys, I need some help |
| 03:39.10 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: OK, ls -l /dev/pts (and don't paste the results of that). |
| 03:39.16 | jazzanova | :) |
| 03:39.19 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, your bios had an entry that said "onboard sound"? |
| 03:39.21 | nailbiter | jazzanova: ok. could also check that a devpts is mounted at /dev/pts? |
| 03:39.24 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: How many? |
| 03:39.30 | jazzanova | 0 |
| 03:39.34 | jazzanova | there is nothing there |
| 03:39.35 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Yup. |
| 03:39.36 | Nate | Can you guys see my messages? |
| 03:39.40 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: It said something along the lines of "audio controller" |
| 03:39.40 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: You need /dev/pts |
| 03:39.41 | Nate | Sorry if you are busy |
| 03:39.42 | dendrite | Nate: Just ask. Specific questions. |
| 03:39.49 | mccbaka | is there a c++ equivalent of -lc? |
| 03:39.55 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, i think you disabled the wrong audio controller.. |
| 03:39.58 | nailbiter | romulo: try booting into the 2.4 image, then run reiserfsck from the spare console after the installer starts. :) |
| 03:39.58 | abrotman | Nate: yes |
| 03:39.59 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Try (as root) /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs start |
| 03:40.07 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: When I did this, the nVidia onboard chipset was no longer detected by XMMS, but the cards were. |
| 03:40.19 | jazzanova | ah, ok, everythingf used to work, but I did install a bunch of packages yesterday, ... |
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| 03:40.25 | JoshTriplett | mccbaka: Yes, libstdc++. You don't need it, though; g++ will bring it in automagically. |
| 03:40.26 | bluefox83 | hrm.. |
| 03:40.35 | abrotman | !fuck nvidia |
| 03:40.41 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: I'm fairly certain that BIOS settings don't control PCI cards. |
| 03:40.42 | jazzanova | i don't have that |
| 03:40.42 | Nate | Okay. I installed the base system for Debian Sarge, and on reboot it ran the configurator, and I chose to install the Graphical interface. I rebooted and still got command line, I can't get into KDE |
| 03:40.52 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Wha? |
| 03:40.53 | Nate | What do I do to get KDE up? |
| 03:41.00 | abrotman | Nate: apt-get install kdm x-window-system |
| 03:41.01 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs doesn't exist? |
| 03:41.02 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, bios cna control every aspect of the board, including the pci slots |
| 03:41.06 | bluefox83 | *can |
| 03:41.10 | jazzanova | i have mountfs.sh and mountall |
| 03:41.15 | jazzanova | no, it doesn't |
| 03:41.15 | dendrite | Nate: Or login and type "startx" |
| 03:41.19 | Nate | I don't have a DHCP connection, just DSL which requires more |
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| 03:41.22 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Wow. |
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| 03:41.24 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Right, but it can't control the settings inside a card on the slot. |
| 03:41.29 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: One second. |
| 03:41.33 | Nate | I can't connect to SBC |
| 03:41.35 | emes | why are some packages "kept back" when upgrading? |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | !pppoe |
| 03:41.43 | dpkg | hmm... pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 03:41.50 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: dpkg -l initscripts |
| 03:41.55 | mccbaka | hm. but i'm using ld, not g++... is there some way to tell g++ to compile a dynamic library instead of an executable? |
| 03:41.57 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, no, but it can hide it from the rest of the system |
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| 03:42.04 | dendrite | Nate: that pppoe bit was for you. |
| 03:42.08 | JoshTriplett | mccbaka: Yes; -shared. |
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| 03:42.15 | JoshTriplett | mccbaka: never link with ld directly. |
| 03:42.18 | JoshTriplett | mccbaka: Not portable. |
| 03:42.25 | jazzanova | i don't have it |
| 03:42.25 | Nate | I still don't get it. I have install CDs one and two, shouldn't that be enough to install KDE? |
| 03:42.27 | Led_Zeppelin | one more day till postgresql 8.0 is going to be released! yipeee! |
| 03:42.27 | abrotman | it's actually for everyone .. but him especially :) |
| 03:42.30 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Then why is the card still detected and available to Linux? |
| 03:42.32 | jazzanova | i guess i should install it, hey ? |
| 03:42.41 | romulo | nailbiter, no reiserfsck |
| 03:42.43 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Hang on a second. |
| 03:42.46 | dendrite | Nate: Have you tried logging in and running startx? |
| 03:42.49 | abrotman | Nate: not always .. popcon decides what's on those discs .. and if not many people install kde .. then it's not on 1 or 2 |
| 03:42.50 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: While the onboard chip is no longer available. |
| 03:42.51 | mccbaka | josh: ;slaps forehead; thanks so much. |
| 03:42.55 | Nate | Yes. It said command not found or whatever |
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| 03:43.08 | nailbiter | romulo: which installer image did you boot into? |
| 03:43.20 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, i dunno, your system is all messed up dude :/ |
| 03:43.21 | Nate | The one that came up on CD one |
| 03:43.22 | dendrite | Nate: Sounds like X is not installed. |
| 03:43.40 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: initscripts isn't installed at all? some of the other files you listed come from initscripts. |
| 03:43.45 | GlitchMaster | bluefox83: Again, EVIL ASUS BOARD. |
| 03:43.47 | ifup | help :) is there somthing special I need to do to get apache2 to run perl scripts? I ln -s the cgi files in the mods available |
| 03:43.49 | abrotman | Nate: install pppoe |
| 03:43.53 | jazzanova | which files did I list ? |
| 03:43.56 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: cat /etc/debian_version, please. |
| 03:43.59 | emes | why are some packages "kept back" when upgrading? |
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| 03:44.08 | jazzanova | testing/unstable |
| 03:44.10 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: You mentioned mountall.sh |
| 03:44.12 | Nate | On reboot it asked me what I wanted to install graphical interfaces and I did, why wouldn't it be there? |
| 03:44.15 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Uh, wow. |
| 03:44.17 | dendrite | Nate: If you can get pppoe working, you'll be able to connect with linux to the Internet, which would make everything else easier. |
| 03:44.22 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Wait a second. |
| 03:44.27 | jazzanova | ok |
| 03:44.32 | Nate | Okay, run me through connecting to pppoe on command line |
| 03:44.39 | romulo | nailbiter, bf24 |
| 03:44.43 | jazzanova | maybe they are in lost and found |
| 03:44.48 | dendrite | Nate: Are you in windows at the moment? |
| 03:44.56 | Nate | All I have done in the past is with a graphic setup |
| 03:44.58 | Nate | yes |
| 03:44.59 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: /etc/debian_version has been "3.1" since July. |
| 03:45.01 | Nate | unfourtunately |
| 03:45.16 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: What does /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 03:45.31 | Nate | I can print out directions if you post them |
| 03:45.32 | dendrite | Nate: Well, your best bet is to apt-get install pppoe |
| 03:45.44 | Nate | apt-get from where? I don't have internet |
| 03:45.46 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: And for that matter, how long have you had your current Debian setup? |
| 03:45.48 | jazzanova | it has a lot of 'sid' in it |
| 03:45.54 | dendrite | Nate: What flavor of Linux did you install from CD? Did you say? |
| 03:45.55 | jazzanova | long time... :) |
| 03:46.00 | Nate | Debian sarge |
| 03:46.06 | Nate | It installed 2.4 kernel |
| 03:46.06 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: OK, but how many lines? And only official mirrors? |
| 03:46.12 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. lemme check .. |
| 03:46.14 | dendrite | Nate: D-I rc2? |
| 03:46.15 | jazzanova | no, not only official sites |
| 03:46.16 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Or do you have an incredibly long list? |
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| 03:46.21 | Nate | I don't know, the jigdo one |
| 03:46.24 | jazzanova | i got some extra stuff in there |
| 03:46.35 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: If you added it, that's fine. |
| 03:46.38 | cafueghu | Sarge installs a 2.4 kernel by default, yes. |
| 03:46.50 | jazzanova | i added it, i installed some very particular software |
| 03:46.54 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: You didn't install from a live CD did you? |
| 03:47.03 | jazzanova | no |
| 03:47.11 | jazzanova | josh: this system once crashed |
| 03:47.17 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah. |
| 03:47.20 | dendrite | Nate: Anyhow, apt-get install pppoe, and see if that doesn't help you get on-line w/ Linux. |
| 03:47.21 | jazzanova | then i did i major upgrade from stable to sid |
| 03:47.25 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: ls -l /lost+found |
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| 03:47.27 | Nate | okay |
| 03:47.27 | cafueghu | Nate: Simply install pppoeconf, then run pppoeconf |
| 03:47.30 | jazzanova | this was about a year or two ago |
| 03:47.38 | Nate | Where will it install from? |
| 03:47.38 | cafueghu | Nate: it should be on the cd. |
| 03:47.41 | jazzanova | but things seemed to work since then |
| 03:47.43 | Nate | cd1 or 2 |
| 03:47.49 | cafueghu | 9possibly already installed) |
| 03:47.50 | dendrite | Nate: My bad, what cafueghu said. |
| 03:47.52 | grepper | LL |
| 03:47.56 | jazzanova | i installed tetex yesterday |
| 03:48.02 | dendrite | Nate: Your CD should have 'em, apt-get will ask for the appropriate CD. |
| 03:48.02 | ctrlaltdel | so i just added another sata drive to my computer and it didnt show up in the boot log, only my system drive did. do i need to do something special for a 250gb drive on debian? |
| 03:48.05 | jazzanova | it could have triggered some incompatiblities |
| 03:48.06 | Nate | okay, I'll be back if I can't get it |
| 03:48.09 | jazzanova | it was yesterday |
| 03:48.09 | nailbiter | romulo: blast, you're right. :-\ the bf2.4 image doesn't come with a copy of reiserfsck |
| 03:48.24 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Yeah, it may have. |
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| 03:48.26 | cafuego | nailbiter: Not that reiserfsck actually works. |
| 03:48.29 | jazzanova | so, do i need to do an upgrade ? |
| 03:48.29 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: dpkg -l base-files. |
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| 03:48.30 | nailbiter | romulo: i guess you'll just have to try to mount your root filesystem manually .. |
| 03:48.40 | cafuego | romulo: Is is a fresh install? |
| 03:48.46 | jazzanova | if i do an upgrade, i get a shitload of packages |
| 03:48.51 | romulo | cafuego, no |
| 03:48.55 | romulo | nailbiter, k let me try |
| 03:48.58 | JoshTriplett | ctrlaltdel: What kernel? |
| 03:49.06 | JoshTriplett | ctrlaltdel: You need a 2.6 kernel with libata support. |
| 03:49.08 | cafuego | romulo: Then you just found out why using reiserfs isn't a good idea ;-) |
| 03:49.15 | GlitchMaster | I fixed it. |
| 03:49.16 | ctrlaltdel | 2.6.8 |
| 03:49.21 | GlitchMaster | Scared the fuck out of me. |
| 03:49.25 | bluefox83 | fixed what? |
| 03:49.27 | GlitchMaster | Dear god.. |
| 03:49.28 | GlitchMaster | The sound. |
| 03:49.29 | ctrlaltdel | i did a kernel image up grade to 2.6.8 |
| 03:49.30 | jazzanova | version 3.0.16 |
| 03:49.30 | nailbiter | romulo: once you've got it mounted, try copy /sbin/reiserfck out of your root filesystem into /tmp. :) |
| 03:49.30 | JoshTriplett | ctrlaltdel: Hmmm; should work. |
| 03:49.31 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 03:49.33 | GlitchMaster | Switched to alsa, unmuted PCM |
| 03:49.34 | bluefox83 | what was wrong? |
| 03:49.36 | ctrlaltdel | hmm |
| 03:49.41 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 03:49.41 | romulo | k |
| 03:49.43 | GlitchMaster | OSS sucked. |
| 03:49.43 | romulo | nailbiter, oki |
| 03:49.44 | GlitchMaster | That's what. |
| 03:49.46 | GlitchMaster | My ears... |
| 03:49.47 | GlitchMaster | Ow... |
| 03:49.50 | bluefox83 | lmao |
| 03:49.51 | GlitchMaster | My heart.... |
| 03:49.53 | GlitchMaster | Gah... |
| 03:49.54 | jazzanova | josh: 3.0.16 |
| 03:49.56 | GlitchMaster | SO loud... |
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| 03:50.05 | Poprocks | when setting up postgreSQL and phppgadmin... I'll bet it's pretty unsafe to just symlink /usr/share/phppgadmin to /var/www/phppgadmin.. what do you guys recommend to install it on a web server? |
| 03:50.14 | ctrlaltdel | my system drive is /dev/sda, but /dev/sdb doesnt seem to respond properly to fdisk and other programs |
| 03:50.21 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Yeah, you don't want to try a partial upgrade; it's dangerous. |
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| 03:50.28 | bluefox83 | GlitchMaster, congrats |
| 03:50.38 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: If you updated anything to sid, go ahead and update everything. |
| 03:50.43 | nvz | I am apperently falling in love with ion again, because I haven used sawfish much this year |
| 03:50.52 | cafuego | nailbiter: Does that depends on any additional libs? |
| 03:50.52 | markybob | anyone ever bought servers from penguincomputing.com? thinking about getting an altus 3150 but i havent heard of anyone who's used them before |
| 03:50.54 | nailbiter | Poprocks: it's reasonably safe to do that. in fact, there isn't that much difference between symlinking like that and adding an Alias statement to your httpd.conf .. |
| 03:50.58 | jazzanova | ok, hmm, alright, i will do that, i will do an upgrade |
| 03:50.59 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: In the meantime, I suggest specifically installing initscripts. |
| 03:51.00 | nvz | I still havent even rtfm or made a config either |
| 03:51.04 | jazzanova | oh, ok, |
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| 03:51.10 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Actually, come to think of it, don't. |
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| 03:51.10 | romulo | nailbiter, relocation error version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file libc.so.6 |
| 03:51.14 | cafuego | markybob: Nope, too expensive, too far away ;-) |
| 03:51.19 | Poprocks | nailbiter, true |
| 03:51.19 | Squirrel | i have a problem with postfix |
| 03:51.20 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: I just realized; if you're still running stable, that package didn't exist then. |
| 03:51.21 | jazzanova | don't what ? |
| 03:51.23 | GlitchMaster | After HOURS... all I had to fucking do was switch to ALSA. |
| 03:51.24 | nailbiter | cafuego: just libuuid.so, which is already on the installer image because it's used by e2fsck |
| 03:51.27 | markybob | cafuego, yes, but it's not my money ;-) |
| 03:51.28 | GlitchMaster | I can't believe it. |
| 03:51.32 | jazzanova | no, i am not running stable |
| 03:51.33 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: So upgrade to testing or unstable first. |
| 03:51.35 | Squirrel | cannot access mailbox /home/nicolas/Maildir for user |
| 03:51.36 | Squirrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.39 | cafuego | nailbiter: Looks like he has additonal woody/sarge libc issues. |
| 03:51.40 | nailbiter | romulo: have you upgraded to sarge since installing woody? |
| 03:51.43 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: testing or unstable? |
| 03:51.47 | jazzanova | josh: yes |
| 03:51.48 | Squirrel | :S |
| 03:51.52 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Either way, you should run an upgrade. |
| 03:51.54 | Poprocks | nailbiter, I just don't want to get cracked or anything, that's all, just making sure :D |
| 03:51.55 | cafuego | markybob: Lemme have a look at the hardware... |
| 03:51.57 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Get current packages. |
| 03:52.01 | jazzanova | ok man, thanks |
| 03:52.06 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Wait, one more thing. |
| 03:52.10 | jazzanova | yeah |
| 03:52.12 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Check /etc/apt/preferences |
| 03:52.20 | romulo | nailbiter, no, im using sid, and didnt upgraded in last days, my system was running fine, i run a windows here on another hd and when i com eback to linux and did a restart i got into this |
| 03:52.26 | romulo | when i read /var/log/ |
| 03:52.27 | jazzanova | i don't have that file |
| 03:52.27 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Do you have any pins? |
| 03:52.33 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: OK. |
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| 03:52.35 | romulo | messages i got anything about wrong hd space |
| 03:52.45 | jazzanova | ok, so i do upgrade. |
| 03:52.52 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Go ahead and run an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:52.57 | GlitchMaster | Thankyou for the help, but in the end, after five hours, I figured it out myself. |
| 03:53.02 | nailbiter | romulo: this is going to get complicated. sid binaries are not backwards-compatible with woody libraries |
| 03:53.02 | jazzanova | trouble is i don't have enought temp. space on the / filesystem |
| 03:53.19 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: How much do you have? |
| 03:53.27 | jazzanova | should i say 'sid' in the apt file, or should i say unstable ? |
| 03:53.36 | romulo | nailbiter, yeah i saw that |
| 03:53.43 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Leave it like it is; either is fine. |
| 03:53.50 | jazzanova | 50 megs |
| 03:53.52 | nailbiter | romulo: do you have any spare floppies, or can you burn a CD? :) |
| 03:53.56 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah, yeah. |
| 03:53.59 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: That's low. |
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| 03:54.04 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: How big is your drive? |
| 03:54.10 | emes | why are some packages "kept back" when upgrading? |
| 03:54.20 | JoshTriplett | emes: Because upgrading them would break stuff. |
| 03:54.28 | jazzanova | 2 gig :) |
| 03:54.31 | nailbiter | romulo: you see, the problem with reiserfsck is that it's not safe to run it on a mounted filesystem (even one that's mounted read-only). so you can't just chroot in to check it .. |
| 03:54.33 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah. |
| 03:54.38 | Squirrel | help me pplease |
| 03:54.38 | jazzanova | well, the root partition |
| 03:54.42 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah. |
| 03:54.50 | mjunkiexl | Anybody care to help a newb, installing Debian in desperate hope of getting MythTV/IVTV working, get X and KDE running? I confess I was a Mandrake user. :) |
| 03:54.50 | emes | JoshTriplett: so... when will they get updated? |
| 03:54.52 | dendrite | emes: kept back means the changes you'd get from upgrading them and their dependencies might break stuff. |
| 03:54.58 | jazzanova | ok, so, in apt sources file i have all sid, and only the security updates from stable |
| 03:55.03 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Oh, try this: apt-get install aptitude && aptitude clean |
| 03:55.05 | dendrite | emes: So use dist-upgrade, for a more agressive approach. |
| 03:55.08 | Squirrel | i have problem with postfix maildirs ;! |
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| 03:55.15 | Whitehawke | pardon me folks...when doing an apt-get build from source, is there a way to pass options to the configure? |
| 03:55.17 | dendrite | emes: But that may break stuff. |
| 03:55.20 | nailbiter | romulo: so one way around this would be to assemble sarge rescue media, which does ship with a working copy of reiserfsck |
| 03:55.21 | mjunkiexl | I'm on a fresh Debian install at this moment, ran apt-get install kde ... have issues getting beyond that, though. |
| 03:55.22 | JoshTriplett | Whitehawke: No. |
| 03:55.24 | jazzanova | what does that do ? |
| 03:55.31 | markybob | mjunkiexl, not really. mythtv on debian isnt a cakewalk |
| 03:55.31 | Squirrel | when i send mail for nicolas@localhost |
| 03:55.32 | maher | Whitehawke: probably - i just edit debian/rules |
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| 03:55.33 | emes | dendrite: i dont want to be aggressive, i just want to update everything like a normal linux user :) |
| 03:55.36 | romulo | nailbiter, i do have one |
| 03:55.37 | Squirrel | mail daemon send me this |
| 03:55.41 | bluefox83 | mjunkiexl, kde sucks anyways, you should get icewm :P |
| 03:55.42 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: It deletes old package files to clear out space. |
| 03:55.45 | Squirrel | cannot access mailbox /home/nicolas/Maildir for user |
| 03:55.45 | Squirrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.50 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: First do "du -hs /var/lib/apt" |
| 03:55.51 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. then perhaps you could boot from that. |
| 03:55.58 | maher | mjunkiexl: what issues |
| 03:56.00 | Whitehawke | maher: can you point me to some docs on debian/rules? I'm not familiar with them. |
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| 03:56.08 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Er, sorry. First do "du -hs /var/cache/apt" |
| 03:56.08 | mjunkiexl | bluefox83 -- moot point if I can't get X running |
| 03:56.10 | jazzanova | josh: i did remove stuff in /var/cache/apt |
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| 03:56.16 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah. |
| 03:56.18 | cafuego | markybob: Looks nice, $4800 with 5+2 80GB RAID5 |
| 03:56.21 | dendrite | emes: Well, I'd install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges before making a habit of dist-upgrades... |
| 03:56.43 | mjunkiexl | maher --> XFree installed with the kde apt command, but I have not idea how to set it up and get it running. Mandrake did all that stuff for me. |
| 03:56.48 | markybob | cafuego, actually i've got 400GB raid5 configured... :) i was just wondering if anyone had good/bad experiences with them |
| 03:56.49 | maher | Whitehawke: its just a makefile - look in it for where it calls configure |
| 03:56.55 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: What partitions do you have? |
| 03:56.55 | nailbiter | cafuego: reiserfsck is too fragile, but people rarely seem to realize that until something does go awry .. :-\ |
| 03:56.55 | emes | dendrite: will programs that are held back now ever not be held back if i dont distupgrade? |
| 03:57.01 | cafuego | markybob: Though i've never heard of good experiences with 'em, if've certainly not heard of BAD experiences. |
| 03:57.03 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: And how much space is on them? |
| 03:57.05 | theturtl1 | anyone have any recommendations for an EFS implmentation? |
| 03:57.16 | nailbiter | theturtl1: encrypting filesystem? |
| 03:57.20 | theturtl1 | yes |
| 03:57.26 | jazzanova | what do you mean, on them ? |
| 03:57.26 | markybob | cafuego, well, that's good to hear. i think i'll go with it |
| 03:57.30 | dendrite | emes: Sometimes, but often not. One reason is if a package is "uninstallable" due to a missing dependency. |
| 03:57.34 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Free space. |
| 03:57.42 | nailbiter | theturtl1: there's cfs (which is packaged in debian). you can also encrypt at the block-device level and shove a regular filesystem on top of it |
| 03:57.46 | jazzanova | 50megs on this partition |
| 03:57.47 | cafuego | markybob: Enjoy, email me the login details for my shell once the box is up ;-) |
| 03:57.52 | emes | dendrite: why doesnt it install the new dependancy then? |
| 03:57.55 | maher | mjunkiexl: do an apt-get install x-window-system, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:57.58 | dendrite | emes: That is, package foo needs bar, but bar isn't uploaded to the debian servers yet... |
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| 03:58.03 | markybob | cafuego, i actually wouldnt mind giving you shell. like i said, it's not mine ;) |
| 03:58.08 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Yes; you said that's the / partition. Are there any other GNU/Linux partitions? |
| 03:58.14 | mjunkiexl | maher -- thanks... brb |
| 03:58.19 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 03:58.27 | cafuego | Whoa, instant sexchange |
| 03:58.27 | jazzanova | josh: well, there is /boot, /, and /home |
| 03:58.27 | dendrite | emes: Sometimes a package has a bad dependency, like when a developer builds with deps on stuff in experimental. |
| 03:58.35 | theturtl1 | nailbiter: iwas thinking possibly loop-AES or the commercial software BestCrypt |
| 03:58.40 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: How much space is available on /home? |
| 03:58.45 | jazzanova | i am not running any other linux things |
| 03:58.48 | jazzanova | 200megs |
| 03:58.53 | jazzanova | but i could delete some stuff |
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| 03:59.09 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Well, I'm trying to figure out how you can get enough space to upgrade. |
| 03:59.17 | jazzanova | yeah, i understand |
| 03:59.25 | jazzanova | i just need to delete the shit i don't need |
| 03:59.33 | romulo | nailbiter, not even reiserfs |
| 03:59.34 | nailbiter | theturtl1: i'd suggest dmcrypt (the successor to cryptoloop). if you use a recent 2.6.x kernel, and are on debian sid, you can install the 'cryptsetup' package for that. |
| 03:59.44 | dendrite | jazzanova: You could drop to single user mode, move /tmp out of the way, and symlink /tmp to be some directory on a partition with more space... |
| 03:59.46 | nailbiter | romulo: so, what have you just booted into? |
| 04:00.01 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: That's what I was thinking, but even 200MB doesn't seem like enough. |
| 04:00.05 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: For a full upgrade. |
| 04:00.08 | romulo | nailbiter, sarge |
| 04:00.16 | nailbiter | romulo: on what kind of media? cdrom? |
| 04:00.16 | jazzanova | hm.. |
| 04:00.19 | Ghost3 | i am running debian sarge with 2.6 kernel and i have a sx 4000 where can i configure the array configured from the bios (hardware raid) |
| 04:00.40 | jazzanova | its a laptop, that i have |
| 04:00.47 | romulo | nailbiter, yeah |
| 04:00.49 | jazzanova | toshiba satellite 2510CDS |
| 04:00.58 | dendrite | jazzanova: Well, 1/5 Gb ain't much... |
| 04:01.02 | jazzanova | :0 |
| 04:01.04 | jazzanova | :) |
| 04:01.08 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: What happens when you try to run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:01.11 | jazzanova | seemed like a lot when i got it |
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| 04:01.18 | theturtl1 | nailbiter: i looked at cryptoloop, but i read that its still quite new and doesn't have has many features for password hashing as loop-AES does |
| 04:01.23 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Actually, it's plenty enough to _run_ debian_. |
| 04:01.34 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: It's just the upgrade that's hard. |
| 04:01.42 | Ghost3 | or even to be able to enable MD on the array... it doesn't show up in fdisk -l |
| 04:01.45 | nailbiter | romulo: i'll check |
| 04:01.57 | jazzanova | it needs 261 megs |
| 04:02.01 | jazzanova | and aborts |
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| 04:02.08 | markybob | no |
| 04:02.08 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Hmmm; pretty close. |
| 04:02.14 | Guerin | jazzanova: install woody. |
| 04:02.14 | nailbiter | theturtl1: no, it doesn't. but do you really need to choose a different hash algorithm for your password? |
| 04:02.15 | dendrite | jazzanova: You may be able to upgrade in chunks -- update your sources, update, then install select stuff. |
| 04:02.15 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Perhaps we can upgrade a bit at a time. |
| 04:02.18 | jazzanova | ok, i am going to see if I can delete packages |
| 04:02.23 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: He has that. |
| 04:02.27 | dendrite | jazzanova: And run apt-get clean maybe? |
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| 04:02.31 | Guerin | and it still needs 261MB? |
| 04:02.32 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Actually, he has a strange mix of woody and sid. |
| 04:02.36 | Guerin | aargh |
| 04:02.43 | Guerin | old sid or new sid? |
| 04:02.45 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: He's trying to upgrade fully to sid. |
| 04:02.46 | romulo | nailbiter, i got suse live booted |
| 04:02.50 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: July 2004. :) |
| 04:02.51 | Guerin | madness |
| 04:02.54 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: At least. :) |
| 04:03.00 | jazzanova | ok, i am gonna go try to free space, be back in 10 |
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| 04:03.08 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Hang on. |
| 04:03.10 | jazzanova | k |
| 04:03.15 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Try "apt-get install apt dpkg" |
| 04:03.25 | dendrite | jazzanova: you familiar with the du command? |
| 04:03.31 | theturtl1 | nailbiter: i don't know :/ i mean the password is minimum 20 char, |
| 04:03.32 | jazzanova | yes |
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| 04:03.41 | Guerin | here's a nickel, kid, go buy yourself an Quantum Fireball 4G |
| 04:03.44 | nailbiter | romulo: ok, cool. you might want to run badblocks (to check for disk problems), then follow up with reiserfsck (to check the filesystem itself) |
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| 04:03.45 | theturtl1 | so dictionary attack altho helpful would still be kinda useless |
| 04:03.48 | dendrite | Guerin: =) |
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| 04:04.00 | romulo | nailbiter, k |
| 04:04.43 | jazzanova | dendrite: yes |
| 04:04.46 | nailbiter | theturtl1: well, the password can be of any length -- because the hash function doesn't care |
| 04:05.05 | dendrite | jazzanova: Just asking -- that's what I usually use to hunt down things that are eating disk space... |
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| 04:05.15 | theturtl1 | sorry your right, i was thinking it said, min, it's recommended |
| 04:05.17 | jazzanova | i get this: |
| 04:05.19 | jazzanova | Err http://http.us.debian.org sid/main apt 0.5.28.1 |
| 04:05.19 | Guerin | ok, here's how I'd do this woody -> sid upgrade. |
| 04:05.19 | jazzanova | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.20 | dendrite | jazzanova: as in "du -sh /*" |
| 04:05.35 | jazzanova | i can't download apt it seems :) |
| 04:05.41 | jazzanova | i did update |
| 04:05.43 | dendrite | jazzanova: Just try again. Probably a slightly hosed mirror. |
| 04:05.52 | k-man | is there a dns server that is good for running on a local network? |
| 04:05.53 | jazzanova | i am using the main site |
| 04:05.54 | theturtl1 | i dunno, loop-AES sounds like a good mature way to go, i was just hoping someone would help with possibly telling me it sucked for some reason |
| 04:06.00 | Guerin | make a list of installed packages and use a for loop to download, install and delete each one individually using dpkg and --force-depends |
| 04:06.06 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood ? |
| 04:06.15 | dendrite | http.us.debian.org isn't round-robin? |
| 04:06.21 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Yes it is. |
| 04:06.29 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: And some are badly b0rken. |
| 04:06.31 | Guerin | then at the end, do apt-get -f install and hope it all worked out |
| 04:06.40 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: I was noticing that the last couple of days... |
| 04:06.45 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Wow, that's, interesting... :) |
| 04:06.50 | nailbiter | theturtl1: the problem is that dmcrypt is already in the mainline kernel, whereas loop-aes is maintained as a pile of external patches .. |
| 04:06.51 | jazzanova | its just three lines |
| 04:06.52 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Hopefully it's just growing pains. :-) |
| 04:06.52 | theturtl1 | any reason to go with dm-crypt (new,possibly buggy) vs loop-AES which has been around longer |
| 04:07.09 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Hmmm. |
| 04:07.38 | jazzanova | well, i am upgrading dpkg, it managed to download it |
| 04:07.46 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: OK. |
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| 04:08.40 | nailbiter | theturtl1: loop-aes also no longer has a performance advantage over dm-crypt -- dmcrypt has had a 586-optimized implementation of AES as of kernel 2.6.9 .. |
| 04:08.49 | dendrite | k-man: I run bind9, it works for me, but there are lots of choices. |
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| 04:09.19 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: As root, try "mkdir /home/apt-temp && mount --bind /home/apt-temp /var/cache/apt" |
| 04:09.25 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Then run apt-get update |
| 04:09.36 | k-man | dendrite, is that good for setting up internal names? |
| 04:09.46 | Guerin | oh, he has more space available on another partition? |
| 04:09.55 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Not much. :) |
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| 04:10.01 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: 50MB on /, 200MB on /home :) |
| 04:10.02 | dendrite | k-man: I run a zone here called "hartzler.home" to keep my home network sorted. |
| 04:10.10 | dendrite | k-man: So, yes. |
| 04:10.12 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:10.22 | k-man | dendrite, hmm... ok, i'll look into it |
| 04:10.36 | jazzanova | i haved to create /var/cache/apt/archives/partial too |
| 04:10.58 | larrikin | dendrite: I remember somebody somewhere proposed .pri for local net names.. it never stuck |
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| 04:11.04 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Huh? |
| 04:11.29 | jazzanova | ok, its downloading packages |
| 04:11.30 | dendrite | k-man: Just remember to set up forwarders to your ISP. :-) |
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| 04:11.40 | k-man | forwarders? |
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| 04:11.51 | k-man | oh.. if it doesn't know the ip address, it forwards to the isp? |
| 04:11.54 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: My club uses a similar scheme. |
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| 04:12.10 | jazzanova | josh: after that bind, it complained that there is no partial directory |
| 04:12.13 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: We have a .psas name. |
| 04:12.18 | JoshTriplett | jazzanova: Ah. |
| 04:12.21 | dendrite | larrikin: .PRI would have been cool. :-) |
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| 04:12.46 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: What does PSAS stand for, if anything? |
| 04:13.00 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Portland State Aerospace Society. :) |
| 04:13.05 | Goldfish | You guys know an IRC channel to get help on configuring XF86Config-4? |
| 04:13.06 | theturtl1 | nailbiter: i'm reading a guide here about loop-aes and it mentions that it doesn't verify that the data being written is not verified, and then it tells me i should make sure my utils and kernel have not been tampered with...This just means that I should do what? |
| 04:13.16 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Ah, How apropos! =) |
| 04:13.22 | JoshTriplett | Goldfish: This one, if you're running Debian. |
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| 04:13.49 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: AKA "the rocket club", when we aren't trying to impress people. :) |
| 04:13.55 | theturtl1 | obviosly i don't think it means by trojaning the kernel they could decrypt the FS unless i were running the trojan'd kernel after the person did so |
| 04:14.10 | Goldfish | I've got Debian. I just loaded the nVidia graphics driver-loader and installed a 2.6.9 kernel. I am trying to get X working, but it seems to overlay junk. |
| 04:14.14 | peterS | theturtl1: indeed |
| 04:14.15 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: A.K.A. "A bunch of folks that like to blow stuff up." :-) |
| 04:14.16 | nailbiter | theturtl1: that you should verify that the kernel sources and patches you're building from have really come from reputable sources. this may mean checking them against gnupg signatures .. |
| 04:14.29 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Definitely not; we hate it when our stuff blows up. :) |
| 04:14.44 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Our rocket runs Debian and has an IP address and a DNS entry. :) |
| 04:14.47 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Yeah, I know what you mean. I have played a tiny bit with rocketry. |
| 04:14.48 | Goldfish | The nVidia banner comes up, but then when kde starts, the banner doesn't go away. I was using the nVidia XF86Config.new as a basis since I was hooking up a new monitor and didn't think the modelines I had before were any good. |
| 04:14.52 | romulo | nailbiter, well badblocks didnt reported anything at now |
| 04:14.57 | Agrajag- | can anyone tell me what state kde is in testing? if i try to upgrade, it tells me a whole lot of kde stuff has been kept back - and if i try to install something like konsole, it tells me it wants to remove kde. is it broken? or is it just me? |
| 04:15.01 | theturtl1 | ok, that had me a bit foolish for minute |
| 04:15.06 | nailbiter | romulo: cool. :) how about reiserfsck? |
| 04:15.19 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: What processor do you send up? |
| 04:15.19 | jazzanova | josh, dendrite: i will letyou know of my progress... |
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| 04:15.50 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: It's a PC104 stack, with an AMD processor. Something vaguely akin to a 586, but not quite. |
| 04:15.51 | romulo | didnt checked |
| 04:15.54 | Goldfish | I figure there must be some module not loading or some buffering thing that needs to kick in. I will see the icons on the desktop come up, but the function panel at the bottom is junk. |
| 04:15.55 | theturtl1 | so hrmm,, maybe i'll need to read some more about dm-crypt, definitely either that or loop-AES and possibly bestcrypt if i can find more info on it |
| 04:15.56 | romulo | let me do it now |
| 04:16.07 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Think this:586::via c3:686 :) |
| 04:16.15 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Just not quite there. :) |
| 04:16.21 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: What do you use the flight computer for? |
| 04:16.24 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: I think it's 200MHz. |
| 04:16.39 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: At the moment, gathering tons and tons of data from all our hand-made sensors. |
| 04:16.44 | romulo | nailbiter, bad root block 0. |
| 04:16.48 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: And logging it, and sending it to the ground. |
| 04:16.55 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Later: active guidance. |
| 04:16.58 | nailbiter | romulo: :-( |
| 04:17.03 | Goldfish | I have a GeForce2 MX 4000 AGP 8x card and it is piped into my new HDTV. I was able to lift HorizSync/Vertrefresh out of the manual and plug that in to XF86Config-4 to get it working. |
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| 04:17.06 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Most interesting. |
| 04:17.15 | Goldfish | Well...partially working. |
| 04:17.28 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Here's a cool one: we use standard 802.11b to talk to the ground. :) |
| 04:17.37 | jazzanova | i hope that dist-upgarde will not install a new kernel |
| 04:17.48 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: I was going to guess as much... |
| 04:18.00 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: 1W power amp. |
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| 04:18.50 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: We use the part of the 802.11b spectrum that's in the ham radio band. |
| 04:18.50 | romulo | nailbiter, what it means? |
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| 04:18.50 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Ha ha. 802.11b with a linear?? |
| 04:18.50 | nailbiter | jazzanova: it won't upgrade your kernel, but might replace it with a security-patched one of the same version. :) |
| 04:18.51 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: linear, sorry? |
| 04:18.51 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: amp? |
| 04:18.51 | jazzanova | :) well, its a custom kernel package that i made myself, though |
| 04:18.51 | nailbiter | romulo: are you running 'reiserfsck' with the '--fix-fixable' option? |
| 04:18.55 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: I'm not one of the EEs, so I don't know exactly what that means. :) |
| 04:19.00 | nailbiter | jazzanova: in that case, it won't be touched. :) |
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| 04:19.26 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: What do you mean? |
| 04:19.33 | romulo | nailbiter, yeah |
| 04:19.52 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: A linear amp is what you'd use to get the FCC's attention, when broadcasting, if you know what I mean. |
| 04:19.55 | jazzanova | ok, so should i put some mirrors in my sources file ? |
| 04:20.12 | nailbiter | romulo: ok. let it run -- and it'll either report all the filesystem errors fixed, or give up and recommend that you use '--rebuild-tree' for a full recovery instead. |
| 04:20.16 | dendrite | jazzanova: No, that won't help. |
| 04:20.16 | emes | i need wine 20050111 to run a program of mine, i'm on testing now, what can i do besides wait until june to install it the debian way? |
| 04:20.18 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Not quite. I assume you mean that it's powerful enough to normally be illegal? :) |
| 04:20.32 | jazzanova | it can't downoald a bunch of packages -- its not found |
| 04:20.33 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: If so, then yes; we couldn't do it without the ham radio licenses. |
| 04:20.47 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: I was thinking of something else, I suspect. |
| 04:21.06 | nailbiter | emes: there's an apt source somewhere out there with nightly wine builds. |
| 04:21.09 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Hmmm, apparently. I'm interested to understand what you mean. |
| 04:21.13 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: nm. |
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| 04:21.34 | romulo | nailbiter, it is doing something |
| 04:21.36 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Well, now I'm curious. :) |
| 04:21.37 | maher | emes: look at backports.org, or try installing the unstable version |
| 04:21.42 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Only that one can use an amp to boost a radio signal. |
| 04:21.57 | romulo | nailbiter, i will lose my data? |
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| 04:22.11 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: FWIW: http://psas.pdx.edu/CommunicationsTeamHome |
| 04:22.14 | xerophyte | when you have hardware raid ,, and if you enable the software raid will the kernel panic just wondering? |
| 04:22.21 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: All the detail you could want on our power amps and antennae |
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| 04:22.41 | nailbiter | romulo: no guarantees. :) |
| 04:22.44 | bob2 | xerophyte: of course |
| 04:22.45 | bob2 | not |
| 04:22.52 | bob2 | xerophyte: the kernel doesn't know about hardware raid |
| 04:22.54 | romulo | nailbiter, omg i have such important data there |
| 04:23.14 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Everything we do is GPLed and available on our site; that includes schematics for all the hardware, as well as all the software. :) |
| 04:23.29 | sin | do you think sendmail + spam assassin + clamAV is a good mail server setup or do you think there are better packages for this? |
| 04:23.46 | nailbiter | romulo: i don't think there's any other choice other than having reiserfsck to repair your filesystem .. |
| 04:24.03 | bob2 | sin: use postfix |
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| 04:24.08 | bob2 | only sendmail users use sendmail |
| 04:24.12 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Looks like you're having your share of fun designing antennas... |
| 04:24.13 | Nate | Okay, I'm back |
| 04:24.29 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Similar to stuff we do. We build RADAR's. |
| 04:24.36 | Nate | Um, I got PPPOE Conf to work, now what was the APTget command to install X and KDE? |
| 04:24.45 | sin | does postfix integrate well with spam assassin and clam bob2? |
| 04:24.52 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Yeah; we originally got a quote from someone who would build them for about (IIRC) 2k per antenna. |
| 04:24.57 | bob2 | sin: sure |
| 04:24.59 | dendrite | Nate: You on right now with Debian? |
| 04:25.00 | xerophyte | bob2, so if you enable it it will ignore it am i right it will not mound the drive as mdx am ir ight |
| 04:25.00 | bob2 | sin: use amavis |
| 04:25.00 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Or that might have been 5k. |
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| 04:25.03 | Nate | NO |
| 04:25.09 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: You build RADAR? |
| 04:25.10 | oryx23 | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:25.13 | bob2 | xerophyte: that makes no sense |
| 04:25.14 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Come join us. :) |
| 04:25.14 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Antenna construction is a black art, to be sure. |
| 04:25.17 | oryx23 | apt-get install kde |
| 04:25.23 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: We want to build an active-tracking radar system. :) |
| 04:25.23 | Nate | I don't know how to start xchat, mozilla, etc. in command line |
| 04:25.27 | bob2 | xerophyte: but if you use hardware raid, your disks probably show up as a scsi device |
| 04:25.28 | Nate | I didn't mean to yell |
| 04:25.33 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: My company does. I do Internet, web, databases and embedded development. |
| 04:25.41 | WiFiTux | anyone has an Idea where is the grub.conf or config file? It's not detecting my windox partitions |
| 04:25.59 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Right now, our active tracking consists of a guy pointing a big wooden frame with an antenna attached. :) |
| 04:26.05 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: So you'll probably be looking at phase array stuff. |
| 04:26.11 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: Exactly. |
| 04:26.16 | Nate | okay |
| 04:26.17 | oryx23 | locate |
| 04:26.28 | Nate | That's it, then just type startx? |
| 04:26.38 | oryx23 | updatedb --> locate grub.conf |
| 04:26.41 | nvz | WiFiTux: Its called menu.lst IIRC |
| 04:26.51 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: I wondr; would the fact that your company works on it prevent you from working on it as a hobby? |
| 04:26.58 | Nate | Dendrite? |
| 04:27.02 | dendrite | Nate: Ah. well, you can install irssi-text... |
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| 04:27.08 | Nate | what is that? |
| 04:27.32 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Not specifically, but I produce TV in my "spare" time. |
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| 04:27.55 | dendrite | Nate: let's see. Are your sources fixed up? |
| 04:27.56 | JoshTriplett | dendrite: What is this "spare time" of which you speak? |
| 04:27.57 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 04:28.05 | Nate | Sources? I dont think so |
| 04:28.11 | dendrite | JoshTriplett: Heh heh. It's theoretical. |
| 04:28.15 | Nate | WHen I did APT-get it went to the cd |
| 04:28.32 | nvz | Nate: apt-setup |
| 04:28.39 | Nate | okay, then what |
| 04:28.44 | dendrite | Nate: Now we want to change those to point to http. What nvz said. |
| 04:28.50 | xerophyte | bob2 so it does not matter if you enable it or not .. for some reason my kernel panic :( |
| 04:28.57 | dendrite | Nate: then install irssi-text, so you can irc from a text console. |
| 04:28.58 | Nate | what http? |
| 04:29.05 | dendrite | Nate: It'll ask you. |
| 04:29.12 | Nate | with a list? |
| 04:29.14 | dendrite | Nate: It'll give you options. |
| 04:29.18 | dendrite | Nate: Yes, a list. |
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| 04:29.19 | Nate | okay |
| 04:29.21 | Nate | thanks |
| 04:29.23 | Nate | bye |
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| 04:29.39 | bob2 | xerophyte: use a debian kernel |
| 04:29.50 | xeron | how can I add an accent mark over a character? I remember something about needing to set a modifier key... can someone help me out? |
| 04:30.01 | Guerin | !tell xeron about extended chars |
| 04:30.19 | nvz | gnome has this stupid little panel applet you can get accent chars from easily |
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| 04:30.29 | xeron | Thanks much Guerin |
| 04:31.00 | Guerin | xeron: you're welcome |
| 04:31.42 | nsanity | So is there any specific way to get alsa working/not error on modprobe? |
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| 04:32.41 | nsanity | I'm thinking I need a pristine kernel + acpi patches + debian patches |
| 04:32.44 | nvz | nsanity: prayer, sacrifice... |
| 04:32.49 | Atropine | Anyone knows about a graphical manpages displayer other than xman or tkman ? |
| 04:32.50 | ifup | I am running debian with apache2 is there somthing special I need to do for pl scripts to run? |
| 04:32.51 | Rebecca | im trying to access to x via vnx. i can connect to it but it opens up a new session of x. how can i connect it to my existing gui? |
| 04:33.08 | nsanity | nvz: haha |
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| 04:33.32 | gradzac | nsanity: look at the hotplug scripts and exclude the OSS drivers |
| 04:33.56 | dendrite | ifup: You'll need to make sure apache knows to use the CGI handler for your files. |
| 04:33.57 | nsanity | gradzac: does that even matter? |
| 04:33.57 | nvz | see I told you |
| 04:34.00 | maher | Rebecca: do you want just ssh -X |
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| 04:34.12 | xerophyte | bob2, actually its redhat server ... i found it .. they put the root partition like label some kind of shit in the fstab .. so its having problem |
| 04:34.26 | gradzac | nsanity: yes, modprobe loads the OSS drivers before it gets to the alsa ones and makes the alsa ones fail to load |
| 04:34.26 | nvz | he wants you to sacrifice OSS |
| 04:34.36 | Rebecca | maher: i want to use vnc |
| 04:34.39 | ifup | dendrite, I thought it was set for cgi-bin? |
| 04:34.44 | gradzac | nvz: which would be the point of installing alsa :) |
| 04:34.54 | maher | Rebecca: ok - i dunno |
| 04:34.57 | jazzanova | i also have this strange error, that i can't write to /dev/null |
| 04:35.07 | jazzanova | am i supposed to be able to write there ? |
| 04:35.14 | maher | jazzanova: yes - check perms on dev null |
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| 04:35.25 | jazzanova | as a user |
| 04:35.29 | dendrite | ifup: May be. I usually run virtual hosts, so I end up tearing all that out... |
| 04:35.39 | nsanity | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.47 | maher | jazzanova: yes |
| 04:35.47 | Goldfish | Rebecca: I don't know if you can get it to hook into an existing X window. M$Windows kind of makes things work that way, but that is because they don't the real X windows power of separate X servers for everybody. |
| 04:35.47 | xeron | I used the xmodmap command and it doesn't seem to be working. How can I check a key's keycode? |
| 04:36.03 | gradzac | nsanity: have you gotten the alsa drivers working when you install them by hand? |
| 04:36.16 | jazzanova | what would change things fdor me so significatnly ? i just installed a package yesterday (tetex-doc) |
| 04:36.18 | Guerin | xeron: xev |
| 04:36.31 | jazzanova | it was fine yesterday |
| 04:36.36 | Guerin | jazzanova: tetex-doc is a big package, iirc |
| 04:36.38 | nsanity | gradzac: no. dmesg still gives me an error |
| 04:36.40 | nvz | Rebecca: RFB |
| 04:36.44 | Goldfish | Rebecca: That is part of the reason why VNC is great for a few connections, but running 100 users on one station through VNC would be spinning up too many X servers and wipe out the machine. |
| 04:36.48 | jazzanova | yeah |
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| 04:37.16 | Rebecca | nvz: RFB? |
| 04:37.21 | nsanity | gradzac: ATI IXP AC97 controller: probe of 0000:00:14.5 failed with error -13 |
| 04:37.21 | Rebecca | Goldfish: okay |
| 04:37.21 | nvz | Rebecca: which is of course, Remote Frame Buffer, a package that exports the current display using vnc |
| 04:37.23 | Goldfish | Rebecca: I use tightvncserver, and then vncviews is able to tunnel right into it through ssh. |
| 04:37.26 | maher | jazzanova: something bad happened to your machine - nothing to do with tetex |
| 04:37.32 | Goldfish | s/vncviews/vncviews |
| 04:37.41 | Goldfish | s/vncviews/vncviewer Arrg! |
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| 04:38.04 | jazzanova | hmm |
| 04:38.06 | WiFiTux | !praise ALSA for the first time |
| 04:38.07 | gradzac | nsanity: ah...well WHEN you get the alsa drivers to load, make sure to disable the OSS modules in the hotplug scripts....sorry but I can't help you with the ATI drivers |
| 04:38.16 | Goldfish | Rebecca: ssh compresses before encrypting, so it improves throughput over a network while providing the side benefit of making the whole connection secure. |
| 04:38.17 | ifup | dendrite, where is the handler suppose to load from in the mods-enabled? |
| 04:38.20 | nvz | Goldfish: E: reached endofline while looking for '/' |
| 04:39.00 | nsanity | gradzac: I had to jump through three hoops to get the damn alsa drivers/ndiswrapper to play nice on my other machine |
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| 04:39.17 | nvz | Goldfish: also fyi vncserver doesnt even require an X server |
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| 04:39.35 | dendrite | ifup: Sec. |
| 04:39.42 | gradzac | nsanity: I use the cmipci and sound blaster drivers with ndiswrapper with no problems.... |
| 04:39.42 | nvz | !depends vncserver |
| 04:39.49 | dpkg | vncserver: pre-depends on dpkg (>= 1.6.8) |
| 04:40.08 | nvz | dpkg are you smoking crack? |
| 04:40.09 | dpkg | nvz: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:40.15 | cunumen | I have a brother hl-1240 printer, and in the past, cups always had a driver for it when I installed debian, but not anymore--neither is my printer set up so that I can use "lp". How can I get a driver? (This is something that always worked but I never knew how) |
| 04:40.20 | Goldfish | nvz: In my position I don't have X properly working yet on that machine. You are hinting that I can vnc into that machine using RFB right now, ehh? |
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| 04:40.26 | dendrite | ifup: In /etc/apache/httpd.conf, you need "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .sh .pl" |
| 04:40.28 | nsanity | nsanity: I'm just so used to compiling my kernel w/ slackware it's foriegn to recompile |
| 04:40.31 | dendrite | ifup: Or similar. |
| 04:40.35 | nsanity | ls |
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| 04:40.35 | romulo | nailbiter, 20% |
| 04:40.43 | romulo | nailbiter, i was backing things up =) |
| 04:40.49 | romulo | on another partition |
| 04:41.00 | Guerin | cunumen: brother has lgpl printer software on their site, iirc. |
| 04:41.14 | ifup | dendrite, Thanks I am trying to locate/insert it. |
| 04:41.15 | nvz | Goldfish: rfb works like the winders vncserver does, pops up a little white vnc icon and exports current display, you run x0rfbserver and it turns black when someone connects, you click on it for options. |
| 04:41.21 | gonzo_ | just got firefox and for some reason it refuses to run. How do I fix this? |
| 04:41.25 | Rebecca | ok.. i want to run a few gui apps on this box, and be able to log in locally and remotely to access them.. is RFB the way to go? |
| 04:41.31 | cunumen | I'll check, thanks. |
| 04:41.37 | dendrite | ifup: Probably just a matter of finding it and uncommenting it. |
| 04:41.47 | nvz | Goldfish: vncserver doesnt even require X, though dpkg is fucking with me I will have to lookup the depnds myself |
| 04:41.50 | Goldfish | nsanity: Checkout http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html. Makes compiling kernels a heck of a lot easier. |
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| 04:42.11 | kamusbr | i can use samba+ldap in my enviroment with linux, win9x, win2k s/p and winxp? |
| 04:42.21 | nsanity | Goldfish: thx |
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| 04:43.04 | srat | where do I add an epoch to a source package? |
| 04:43.13 | nvz | Goldfish: vncserver, Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), perl, xbase-clients, xserver-common, vnc-common (>= 3.3.6-1) |
| 04:43.25 | Rebecca | nvz: well, im installing rfb :) |
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| 04:44.06 | nvz | Goldfish: so your statement about it starting up multiple x servers just isnt true, I run it on systems that do not even have X installed |
| 04:44.35 | nvz | Rebecca: cheers (: |
| 04:44.37 | Goldfish | I use tightvncserver, because it makes integration with ssh so much easier. Do I type apt-get install rfb? |
| 04:44.53 | nvz | Goldfish: *nod* |
| 04:44.57 | nvz | !info rfb |
| 04:45.06 | dpkg | rfb: (VNC Server for X11 - exports current display), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.6.1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 238 kB, Installed size: 624 kB |
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| 04:46.23 | nvz | rfb is much like running realvnc.com windows server. the vncserver package, though is different. you can ssh into a system that doesnt even have an X server, and start vncserver, and then connect to it and use X applications |
| 04:46.50 | Goldfish | Is that x-zero-rfbserver? |
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| 04:47.41 | Snadder | anyone know about any problems with aes loop encryption?.. |
| 04:47.48 | Snadder | got an kernel panic.. |
| 04:47.50 | nvz | Goldfish: yes, the binary is /usr/bin/x0rfbserver for export :0 remote frame buffer server, would be my guess |
| 04:48.05 | Snadder | tried with 2.6.10 and 2.6.8 |
| 04:48.11 | cafuego | !lart nfsroot |
| 04:48.19 | Snadder | almost same problem with both of them.. |
| 04:48.37 | Snadder | one of them compiled myself. and the other one.. the default sarge 2.6 kernel |
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| 04:49.15 | Goldfish | It doesn't like me. Says it can't find the display. I don't have an X server running right now. :( |
| 04:49.57 | nvz | Goldfish: you have to run that in X from the display, it connects to :0.0 and creats the RFB Icon |
| 04:50.47 | nSaltoUY | have an avi video with subtitles in an srt file. how can I play both together? |
| 04:51.32 | Goldfish | Okay, then rfb IS dependent on X. Maybe I misread what you typed earlier. |
| 04:51.39 | Rebecca | nvz: how do you run vfb? the man page is next to useless |
| 04:51.42 | Goldfish | I have to X working properly on that machine. |
| 04:51.47 | nvz | Goldfish: its like a little 48x48pixel or so window that has a white RFB icon that you can click on and control RFB, and its also a status indicator |
| 04:52.19 | nvz | Rebecca: you would either make an Icon to run x0rfbserver or have it start with X if you will be using it ofen I guess |
| 04:53.04 | Goldfish | I downloaded the nVIdia 6629 driver since building the nvidia driver in kernel builds wasn't working. I finally get something, but it is trash. The nVidia banner is displayed, and then kde draws on top of that without cleaning it up. |
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| 04:53.45 | ctrlaltdel | k found my hard drive problem out :) so on to the next part |
| 04:54.00 | ctrlaltdel | i think i have it all setup but after i edited the fstab file and then ran mount, it didnt mount |
| 04:54.11 | Goldfish | nvz: When I get X, I will want that, because I use my TV-room PC as a MythTV box. It is very handy to manage that machine from my other PC through VNC. That isn't the issue it used to be since I just got a 44" HDTV installed. |
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| 04:54.34 | ctrlaltdel | im wondering if i created it as the correct file type (ext3), im pretty sure i ran mkfs.ext3, but im not sure what command to run to check it its ext3 or not |
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| 04:54.51 | kamusbr | i can use samba+ldap in my enviroment with linux, win9x, win2k s/p and winxp? |
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| 04:55.17 | Rebecca | nvz: do you use any special options when you run it? it tells me it cant open a display |
| 04:55.46 | Snadder | anyone can recommend a way of encrypting files with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:55.50 | Rebecca | ahhh, figured it out :) |
| 04:55.56 | Snadder | ..which is kinda "stable".. |
| 04:56.02 | Goldfish | Snadder: kgpg? |
| 04:56.21 | Guerin | Snadder: rot13 |
| 04:56.46 | Snadder | whats the diffrence? |
| 04:56.59 | Snadder | I used 128bit AES.. |
| 04:57.08 | Snadder | is that a bad choice? |
| 04:57.14 | Gumby | hello all. I have installed debian on an external USB drive and I am wondering what I need to do to make a pc able to boot from the USB device (/dev/sda) when the bios does not support it |
| 04:57.31 | srat | kamusbr: you should be able to, read the samba book (in swat) |
| 04:57.32 | esop | heh... whois microsoft.com ... the shadow knows. |
| 04:57.40 | maher | gumby: you're out of luck |
| 04:58.06 | srat | anyone know the dev channel? |
| 04:58.17 | nvz | srat: for samba? |
| 04:58.18 | Gumby | maher: its got to be possible.. whether it be from floppy or cdrom |
| 04:58.19 | weems | i ran deboot strap and I got this error: /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch ARCH woody \ |
| 04:58.20 | weems | /mnt/debinst http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 04:58.25 | weems | oops |
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| 04:58.37 | maher | Gumby: you can boot from floppy or cdrom - but you can't boot from the usb thing alone |
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| 04:59.00 | srat | nvz, debian, I need to know how to change epoch on a version for a file aptitude upgrade clobbers |
| 04:59.16 | kamusbr | srat, in "swat" package ? |
| 04:59.17 | Guerin | weems: ARCH is not a supported architecture |
| 04:59.23 | nvz | srat: heh sounds like chinese to me, sorry I asked |
| 04:59.33 | Gumby | maher: yes, I understand that. I just really dont know where to start with creating a floppy that would do it. and what exactly would be needed on that floppy |
| 04:59.46 | srat | kamusbr: it's the UI for samba |
| 04:59.48 | weems | yeah |
| 04:59.51 | weems | sorry |
| 05:00.03 | weems | i got glibc errors when i ran debootstrap |
| 05:00.04 | kamusbr | srat, ok |
| 05:00.12 | cat | grrrrrrr, |
| 05:00.12 | srat | samba has there own channel, one sec |
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| 05:00.23 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.29 | srat | #samba |
| 05:00.39 | maher | Gumby: you need to make a boot disk for the usb device |
| 05:00.40 | cat | or #samba |
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| 05:00.47 | srat | and #samba-technical |
| 05:01.06 | maher | Gumby: probably mkboot or something |
| 05:01.07 | kamusbr | srat, cat ok |
| 05:01.09 | xerophyte | how can you give the panic=5 option to the grub .. which should reboot with different kernel i guess? |
| 05:01.18 | srat | kamusbr: good luck |
| 05:01.23 | cef | Gumby: have you installed it already? |
| 05:01.25 | kamusbr | ;) |
| 05:01.43 | Gumby | cef: yes |
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| 05:02.24 | cef | Gumby: ok.. you could use the files in /boot to create something. I'm just trying to think how. |
| 05:03.25 | maher | Gumby: mkboot -r /dev/usbdevice pathtokernelname |
| 05:03.27 | cef | Gumby: mainly the vmlinuz and initrd images for the kernel are what you need, and something to load them off whatever you will actually boot from (eg: grub, lilo, loadlin, etc) |
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| 05:04.10 | Gumby | maher: I'll look into that thx |
| 05:04.32 | maher | Gumby: mkrboot is fancier |
| 05:04.58 | Gumby | I'll try less fancy for now and then work on fancy |
| 05:04.58 | Gumby | hehe |
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| 05:06.32 | cef | mkboot looks like it'll need a kernel image that has drivers for the rootfs built inline |
| 05:08.18 | Gumby | well, I can always build my own kernel |
| 05:08.21 | Gumby | if thats the case |
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| 05:10.21 | Gumby | at least that gets me started |
| 05:10.24 | cef | mkrboot will do it. it'll also create files for booting from dos/freedos/etc - hrmmmm |
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| 05:11.42 | spoofer | hi all where do I have to put an aliase for a wireless card so that it becomes wlan0 in place of eth2? |
| 05:11.50 | bob2 | why? |
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| 05:12.53 | shingouz | spoofer: try man cardctl |
| 05:13.07 | cat | dpkg, john a password hacking program |
| 05:13.07 | dpkg | cat: are you smoking crack? |
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| 05:13.11 | kurumin | et |
| 05:13.15 | cat | grrrr |
| 05:13.26 | peterS | cat: thanks, we know how to use 'apt-cache show' |
| 05:13.39 | Oddi | Hey, does anybody know why the mouse in X acts like a meth freak when i start it? I've tried changing mice in Xf86config, and it doesnt seem to help any |
| 05:13.51 | spoofer | shingouz: mm it's not a pcmcia card.. |
| 05:13.58 | rob0 | spoofer: apt-get install ifrename |
| 05:14.04 | cat | i wonder how can i get my sata working on debian is for my server, so i can get it to work, is there any howto on that? |
| 05:14.09 | peterS | Oddi: kernel 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6? mouse plugged into PS/2 or USB port? |
| 05:14.17 | Oddi | its ps/2 |
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| 05:14.25 | Oddi | and i think its probably an ancient kernal |
| 05:14.27 | Oddi | likely 2.2 |
| 05:14.36 | rob0 | but I bet you're wondering about the linux-wlan-ng drivers |
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| 05:14.44 | spoofer | rob0: I think I just have to name the module I load,and there is a file to do it, but I can't remember which one.. |
| 05:14.57 | peterS | Oddi: ancient kernels and PS/2 mice don't normally cause problems. when you installed XFree86 it asked you about your mouse port and protocol. did you answer "/dev/psaux" and "PS/2"? |
| 05:14.57 | hacim | anyone know how to view AppleDouble encoded Macintosh files? |
| 05:15.10 | rob0 | spoofer: no, name of module won't do that. |
| 05:15.27 | spoofer | rob0: alias of the name of the module? |
| 05:15.31 | peterS | hacim: what do you mean by AppleDouble? where did you get this file or where is it stored? |
| 05:15.54 | Malf | Oddi: also type uname -r in a shell to check your kernel if you're unsure |
| 05:15.54 | rob0 | the interface will still be ethX |
| 05:16.09 | shingouz | hints appreciated, i have alsa installed and would like to run RealPlayer on the box. the problem is that Real supports only OSS and even if i have gone through the realplayer howto i still dont get any sound |
| 05:16.10 | Oddi | peterS: yes on the /dev/psaux, i tried a different mouse type, i think ImPS/2, but changed it back to PS/2 in XF86config |
| 05:16.10 | Malf | Oddi: Unsure of which one you have that is |
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| 05:16.28 | JoshTriplett | What's the GNOME equivalent of kprinter? |
| 05:16.32 | Malf | then again I guess it isn't too relevant since it's not a usb mouse |
| 05:16.43 | Oddi | okay, thanks malf, but i don't have my box here, its at school :\ |
| 05:16.45 | Oddi | no ssh in |
| 05:16.47 | Malf | ahh |
| 05:16.51 | nvz | bob2: could you remove a +q on "dsl081-085-248.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net" jaggy aka. Jaguar3 aka. jaguar_ aka. brandon_ ? |
| 05:16.53 | Oddi | i need to check tommorow |
| 05:16.59 | peterS | Oddi: and what sort of mouse is it? got a scroll wheel? |
| 05:17.08 | spoofer | rob0: I'll tell you when I find :-) |
| 05:17.12 | bob2 | nvz: why? |
| 05:17.14 | Rebecca | nvz: do you know if it's possible to have vfb running when the graphical login appears? |
| 05:17.19 | Oddi | peterS: generic PS/2 Scrolling Aopen mouse |
| 05:17.38 | nvz | bob2: he asked me, I was just reviewing it.. so I figured I would ask someone who could actually do it =P |
| 05:17.44 | peterS | Oddi: yeah, ImPS/2 is probably correct in that case. what exactly do you mean by running like a meth addict or whatever you said? |
| 05:17.51 | Oddi | peterS: it was connected to a KVM, but i tried doing it without the kvm, and it was still mishaving |
| 05:18.25 | Oddi | peterS: basically, when i moved the mouse, windows would rapidly open and close, the screeen would flicker |
| 05:18.25 | Malf | Oddi: My mouse which is similar is set to ImPS/2 as well |
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| 05:18.43 | hacim | peterS: these are files that have the extention .jpg and they were sent through hotmail, apparantly it is a mac encoding, that has the resource fork and the data fork jammed togather |
| 05:18.47 | Oddi | it may not be soley mouse based :\ |
| 05:18.51 | Malf | Oddi: Do you have one or two input devices as mice? |
| 05:18.56 | Oddi | 1 |
| 05:19.28 | bob2 | nvz: it's on your head if he fucks up ;-) |
| 05:20.04 | Malf | Oddi: what's the "Device" ? |
| 05:20.04 | peterS | hacim: and 'file foo.jpg' tells you what? is it BinHex? |
| 05:20.04 | Malf | wait |
| 05:20.07 | Oddi | Malf: confused by that question? |
| 05:20.08 | Malf | nevermind I forgot |
| 05:20.12 | Malf | that you aren't at the system |
| 05:20.21 | Malf | sorry |
| 05:20.25 | nvz | bob2: heh. (; |
| 05:20.26 | peterS | hacim: ahhh - that's what told you it was AppleDouble. never mind the question. (: |
| 05:20.28 | Malf | I was asking about a specific line in your config file |
| 05:20.29 | Oddi | yea, i'll try tunneling out tommorow while i'm in the box |
| 05:20.37 | Oddi | thanks for your help either way |
| 05:20.38 | Malf | until I realized |
| 05:20.41 | Malf | that it was silly of me |
| 05:20.43 | Malf | basically |
| 05:20.46 | Malf | I had a similar issue |
| 05:21.09 | Malf | and when I had X generate a config file for me |
| 05:21.17 | Malf | it gave me two mice as input devices |
| 05:21.18 | toresbe | mooooornin'! |
| 05:21.27 | Malf | one set to /dev/psaux |
| 05:21.32 | Malf | with the CorePointer option |
| 05:21.40 | Malf | and the other set to /dev/input/mice |
| 05:21.40 | albo | tzconfig has the correct timezone and so does my kde clock. but date, irssi and other programs show utc. how to fix ? |
| 05:21.46 | peterS | Malf: yes, yes, and the other set to /dev/input/mice. that's not this guy's problem |
| 05:21.53 | Oddi | hmm, i only saw one in the config file |
| 05:21.53 | Malf | well |
| 05:21.55 | Malf | it was mine |
| 05:21.58 | Malf | when I had the same exact issue |
| 05:22.00 | toresbe | ....especially when in Norway at wintertime |
| 05:22.00 | Oddi | toresbe: YES |
| 05:22.12 | peterS | Malf: that's why I asked him what his kernel version was. yours, I'm guessing, was 2.6.x |
| 05:22.21 | Malf | when i had that problem |
| 05:22.23 | Malf | i was in 2.2 |
| 05:22.37 | Oddi | well, i'm a complete idiot when it comes to finding the latest version |
| 05:22.46 | Oddi | so i had this woody disc from like a year ago |
| 05:22.48 | hacim | peterS: exactly |
| 05:22.49 | peterS | that's pretty odd. /dev/input/mice should have been completely inactive in kernel 2.2 if you didn't have a USB mouse plugged in |
| 05:22.53 | Malf | yeah it wasn't mice |
| 05:22.55 | Malf | it was something else |
| 05:22.56 | Oddi | and downloaded everything off the net |
| 05:22.57 | Malf | it's mice now |
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| 05:23.21 | Malf | but the point was that one was the core pointer and the other had sendcoreevents |
| 05:23.24 | Malf | which made it stop freaking out |
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| 05:23.44 | pipeline | Does anyone have a copy of the diagram of the Debian QA process? |
| 05:23.47 | Oddi | so you understand what i mean when i suggest its acting crazy? |
| 05:23.51 | Oddi | heh |
| 05:23.51 | peterS | hacim: unfortunately I don't know the answer to your question. I thought by AppleDouble perhaps you meant a file on a netatalk share, or in a HFS filesystem |
| 05:23.57 | Malf | yeah I know what you mean |
| 05:24.10 | Malf | I'm not sure why exactly having the second mouse input device fixed it but |
| 05:24.11 | Malf | for me it did |
| 05:24.19 | Oddi | well |
| 05:24.21 | Malf | so my suggestion would be to have X generate a config for you |
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| 05:24.26 | Oddi | can i ask for one last helpful suggestion |
| 05:24.27 | Malf | and see if it works any better/worse |
| 05:24.31 | Malf | with the generated file |
| 05:24.36 | dondelelcaro | hacim: the file is probably binhexed, and you'll need hexbin to dehex them. |
| 05:24.39 | Oddi | when the heck can i find a -good- net install for the latest version? |
| 05:24.42 | toresbe | I'm in bed and I can see my own breath :D |
| 05:25.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: BinHex is different from AppleDouble, I think |
| 05:25.25 | peterS | dondelelcaro: to be sure, the two seem to have the same basic purpose |
| 05:25.26 | nathan | Okay, I got X windows and KDE installed alright, and upgraded everything. Now. with the kde system tool I can't set my resolution higher than 800x600. I have an Nvidia Geforce 4 TI 4200. HOw do I fix this? |
| 05:25.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but if someone sent it via e-mail, it's in binhex format. |
| 05:25.57 | toresbe | nathan: It might be your DDC info that's screwed up |
| 05:25.59 | srat | !dpkg Imlib2 |
| 05:26.00 | dondelelcaro | peterS: the apple double format just means that it uses two separate files, one to handle the data fork, the second (hidden file) to handle the resource fork. |
| 05:26.11 | maher | Oddi: do you have an install atm |
| 05:26.19 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's really only applicable to appletalk servers... no one else should ever care about it |
| 05:26.25 | Oddi | maher: yes |
| 05:26.35 | maher | maher: what's wrong with it? |
| 05:26.36 | nathan | DDC? |
| 05:26.49 | nathan | And How do I fix it |
| 05:27.06 | Malf | Oddi: do you mean you just want a newer kernel? or you want a more up to date system overall? or? |
| 05:27.10 | maher | Oddi: what's wrong with it |
| 05:27.25 | srat | !info Imlib2 |
| 05:27.28 | Oddi | it's over a year old |
| 05:27.29 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I know what the data fork / resource fork thing is. but I'm looking in /usr/share/misc/file/magic and it has separate entries for BinHex and AppleDouble |
| 05:27.33 | Oddi | and i'm not certain of its version |
| 05:27.33 | nathan | Torres? |
| 05:27.38 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hacim says 'file' told him AppleDouble |
| 05:27.39 | srat | !info libImlib2 |
| 05:27.40 | dondelelcaro | peterS: oh, yes. They're very separate. |
| 05:27.43 | dpkg | libimlib2: (powerful image loading and rendering library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 184 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
| 05:27.49 | dondelelcaro | hrm... file might be lying |
| 05:27.51 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah, its not binhqx, its appledouble |
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| 05:28.01 | hacim | dondelelcaro: could be... |
| 05:28.04 | maher | Oddi: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:28.11 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm... what's the first line of the file? |
| 05:28.30 | Caveman | anyone know how to get ps output sorted my mem ? I am using the command ps aux --sort %mem but its not working |
| 05:28.45 | hacim | dondelelcaro: its binary |
| 05:28.51 | Malf | Oddi: Better question. Do you want to update your current system or just do a fresh install of something more up to date? |
| 05:29.01 | hacim | dondelelcaro: not ascii encoded |
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| 05:29.03 | nathan | On that note, what is the difference? |
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| 05:29.10 | dondelelcaro | hacim: ah, ok.. probably apple double then. |
| 05:29.12 | Oddi | Malf: Fresh. |
| 05:29.12 | nathan | Between update and replace |
| 05:29.31 | hacim | dondelelcaro: the odd thing is I can't seem to even look at it on a mac |
| 05:29.39 | netsplit | Is there a root image of Debian or a Debian derivative I can download? (Without needing debootstrap or an installer.) |
| 05:29.52 | nathan | Mepis? |
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| 05:29.58 | Oddi | Malf: basically, i'm paranoid that i've picked out the one crappy iso, and and thats the root of all my evil problems |
| 05:30.05 | Malf | hah |
| 05:30.05 | dondelelcaro | hacim: yeah, no one should have ever sent you a file like that |
| 05:30.16 | nathan | okay, I'll play with this later bye |
| 05:30.26 | hacim | dondelelcaro: any idea how to convert it to normalcy? |
| 05:30.30 | maher | Oddi: do you have stable, testing or unstable |
| 05:30.31 | srat | netsplit: Mepis is a live CD with installer, there is also a net install image on the debian site. |
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| 05:31.00 | Oddi | maher: i believe the iso is unstable |
| 05:31.10 | Jaguar__ | I rebooted into XP for a rare day or two, and then booted back into linux (kernel v2.6.8-1). Upon doing so, X would not run, complaining the /dev/?/mouse was missing. Upon investigation, I found I had no network, and only one screenful of devices in /dev !! |
| 05:31.15 | netsplit | srat: I'm looking for a root file system for use with UML, so I intend to run it from the file system. |
| 05:31.15 | dondelelcaro | hacim: frommac might be able to do it... |
| 05:31.16 | Oddi | i have no clue, at this point, its been so long :( |
| 05:31.26 | maher | Oddi: what does cat /etc/debian_version say |
| 05:31.36 | Oddi | maher: not at computer atm |
| 05:31.42 | Oddi | can't till tommorow :( |
| 05:31.51 | Oddi | my evil school wont allow incoming ssh |
| 05:32.02 | Jaguar__ | I'm presently running 2.4.27 in order to have my working system back.. anyone know what happened and how I can fix it? |
| 05:32.09 | maher | Oddi: you can just change your /etc/apt/sources.list to point to testing or unstable to downgrade to a less stable version of debian |
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| 05:32.22 | Oddi | okay maher, thanks |
| 05:32.23 | MaxeyPad | is there a way to make a box aware of a local hostname change on debian. i modified /etc/hostname and the environment variable called HOSTNAME (as root). |
| 05:32.36 | Oddi | i'm gonna try this tommorow, and come back while i'm there |
| 05:32.41 | Oddi | night all |
| 05:32.41 | Malf | Oddi: If you want to deal with a fresh install your best bet is to head to debian.org |
| 05:32.46 | Oddi | heh |
| 05:32.47 | netsplit | Malf: the hostname command maybe. |
| 05:32.54 | netsplit | Oops, MaxeyPad. |
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| 05:32.59 | Malf | Oddi: but the upgrade would probably be easier |
| 05:33.18 | hacim | dondelelcaro: hmm, I can't seem to find frommac |
| 05:33.23 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm... something called megatron might be able to do it... http://man-wiki.net/index.php/1:megatron |
| 05:33.27 | dondelelcaro | hacim: it's in macutils |
| 05:33.35 | maher | Jaguar__: have you switched to/from udev |
| 05:33.55 | Rebecca | nvz: i got the vfb working but it's very cpu intensive :/ |
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| 05:34.04 | hacim | dondelelcaro: ah, in macutils, cool |
| 05:34.06 | Jaguar__ | udev? I've not deliberately switched to/from udev. :) |
| 05:34.12 | hacim | dondelelcaro: letsee what happens |
| 05:34.14 | Jaguar__ | I'm not sure what udev is |
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| 05:34.20 | stew | MaxeyPad: man hostname |
| 05:34.30 | x-opher | how do I list running processes so that I can kill them off? |
| 05:34.45 | stew | x-opher: with ps |
| 05:34.52 | dondelelcaro | hacim: and the megatron stuff appears to be in the netatalk packages... |
| 05:34.58 | stew | x-opher: or use top |
| 05:35.17 | x-opher | ok |
| 05:35.24 | dondelelcaro | hacim: it's single2bin may be able to work... |
| 05:35.33 | Jaguar__ | I don't recall changing this at all... |
| 05:35.36 | x-opher | so if it ain't listed and it's frozen on the screen, then what? |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | man the udevs! Arr! |
| 05:35.51 | dondelelcaro | damnit, it better not fucking be pirate day again |
| 05:35.55 | nvz | Rebecca: you keep calling it vfb, I said RFB |
| 05:36.21 | Guerin | It be pirate day every day fer me, matey. |
| 05:36.26 | Jaguar__ | argh. |
| 05:36.45 | Jaguar__ | char *argh[] |
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| 05:37.54 | baroni | Hi all. I'm thinking about to configure a local email system, to use with 'mail -s ... ', but I don't know what would be better to use.. procmail, postfix, fetchmail, cirus-imap, .. Does anybody have some suggests? |
| 05:37.58 | Jaguar__ | int main(int argh, char *matey[]) { return CHEST; } |
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| 05:38.09 | Xenguy | Guerin: scurvy dog! :P |
| 05:38.12 | maher | baroni: the debian default is exim |
| 05:38.18 | toresbe | Ar, today be pirate day? |
| 05:38.28 | baroni | maher: uhg, true.. thanks :) |
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| 05:38.35 | rob0 | That be Sept 19, laddies! |
| 05:38.43 | gravity | ARRRRR |
| 05:38.44 | Xenguy | oops |
| 05:38.50 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 05:38.58 | x-opher | top listed it |
| 05:39.01 | toresbe | arrrr, me thought there was something wrong. |
| 05:39.05 | x-opher | thanks stew |
| 05:39.09 | x-opher | out |
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| 05:39.34 | Rebecca | nvz: lol, ooops |
| 05:39.34 | baroni | what about the postfix? is it better than exim ? |
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| 05:39.40 | dondelelcaro | !beter |
| 05:39.42 | dondelelcaro | !better |
| 05:39.42 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 05:40.01 | toresbe | ed is better than vim |
| 05:40.03 | hacim | dondelelcaro: hmm, none of those utilities do it |
| 05:40.08 | baroni | ok, sorry |
| 05:40.13 | Xenguy | baroni: postfix is a nice MTA (exim works too :-) |
| 05:40.13 | Jaguar__ | Vitamin C was discovered, first, by a man reading a story of a shipmate who got "the scurvy", and they left him on an Island. |
| 05:40.16 | dondelelcaro | hacim: not even single2bin? hrm. That sucks. |
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| 05:40.36 | gravity | mmm... postfix, the MTA that loves you back |
| 05:40.43 | peterS | gravity: heh |
| 05:40.44 | toresbe | gravity: Haha |
| 05:40.53 | baroni | I say that to see what is the main diffs.. |
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| 05:41.08 | baroni | Xemacs_: :) |
| 05:41.10 | hacim | dondelelcaro: the only one close was "macbinary" |
| 05:41.20 | Jaguar__ | They returned to find him better... he had been eating grass which apparently had Vitamin C in it. Of course, they didn't discover the actual vitamin itself, but after much study the man [who heard the story] had the government of England's assistance. |
| 05:41.22 | hacim | dondelelcaro: it said: MiscParts8.JPG is not an adouble file |
| 05:41.24 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm... can you stick this file up somewhere? |
| 05:41.54 | Jaguar__ | They tested with lemon juice, as per his recomendation. But it didn't help :( 30 years later he tested again. As it turns out, they had boiled the lemon juice originally--destroying the Vitamin C. |
| 05:42.28 | hacim | dondelelcaro: http://riseup.net/~micah/MiscParts8.JPG |
| 05:42.40 | Jaguar__ | In later times they switched to lime instead of lemon... Shipmen continued to use that thereafter. Apparently that's where the term "limeys" came from. |
| 05:42.52 | Jaguar__ | I'm typing this now, btw. Not cutting and pasting to spam :) |
| 05:43.19 | toresbe | Jaguar__: heh, amusing. Wiiiiildly and insanely offtopic, but amusing :P |
| 05:43.40 | nvz | Jaguar__: whats the point? whats Vitamin C have to do with the price of tea in china? |
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| 05:44.15 | toresbe | I was about to go "but $IMPORTANT_DEBIAN_PERSONALITY has a C in his name!" but I can't find any fitting values |
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| 05:46.12 | dondelelcaro | hacim: that's a resource fork, actually... |
| 05:46.14 | Jaguar__ | nvz, thank you. :) It has a lot more to do with the tea than with #debian. :) However, it is vitally important for computer programmers to learn the lesson that their deductions and correlations from observation are not necessarily the comprehensive understanding. |
| 05:46.31 | Jaguar__ | 30 years of "debugging" was necessary because they decided he was wrong. |
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| 05:46.38 | dondelelcaro | hacim: not a jpg at all |
| 05:46.49 | nvz | Jaguar__: this is a channel made up of far more users than developers |
| 05:46.58 | Jaguar__ | It is for all people to learn the lesson. |
| 05:47.27 | hacim | dondelelcaro: it seems like it has jpeg stuff in there |
| 05:47.39 | hacim | dondelelcaro: strings shows some jpeg action at the top |
| 05:47.44 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm... could be at the end... but the header stuff is all resource forks... |
| 05:47.54 | dondelelcaro | hacim: and there's no JFIF anywhere |
| 05:47.55 | Jaguar__ | I wouldn't have said it had I felt the specific population in here would not be assisted by it. :) |
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| 05:48.11 | acetech | how can i move my debian installation to another hd? |
| 05:48.13 | hacim | dondelelcaro: apparantly my sister was able to open it with photoshop... I dont know how |
| 05:48.22 | Rebecca | um, do i need a MTA? or is it intergral to the os? |
| 05:48.25 | dondelelcaro | hacim: okilydokily... |
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| 05:48.31 | maher | acetech: cp / rsync |
| 05:48.33 | nvz | Jaguar__: yeah well shorten it down to a one-liner, and then append it to your annoying quit message list =P |
| 05:48.35 | Guerin | Rebecca: you need one; it is integral. |
| 05:48.36 | hacim | dondelelcaro: going to try gimp |
| 05:48.48 | maher | acetech: but you may need to make some changes to make it boot |
| 05:48.52 | Guerin | yay, I just got The Call. |
| 05:48.56 | Rebecca | Guerin: ok :) |
| 05:49.01 | dondelelcaro | hacim: I tried display, and it didn't work... you won't be able to view it unless you manage to strip out the resource fork part... |
| 05:49.22 | peterS | Guerin: woohooooooo! |
| 05:49.31 | acetech | maher, are you familiar with dual booting? |
| 05:49.34 | nvz | "The Call" is that like a military term? |
| 05:49.36 | hacim | dondelelcaro: yeah, I think thats what appledouble does... crams them both together |
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| 05:49.50 | maher | acetech: umm, sort of |
| 05:49.52 | hacim | dondelelcaro: didn't think gimp would work, and it doesnt... but worth a try |
| 05:50.05 | dondelelcaro | hacim: hrm.. that should actually be apple single... |
| 05:50.15 | acetech | maher, i cannot boot windows from a second drive |
| 05:50.15 | hacim | dondelelcaro: I think it doulbes the size :p |
| 05:50.16 | Guerin | nvz: no... I mean the "You're Hired" call which signifies the end of the jobhunting process |
| 05:50.29 | hacim | dondelelcaro: dunno, thats what I gathered from reading about appledouble online |
| 05:50.35 | nvz | Guerin: yeah you lined up a job already for a year from now ? |
| 05:50.37 | srat | acetech: dd may be a better bet. check out the knoppix hacks (O'rielly) book, well worth the price. Hell I even got XP on that way (but it does want to be reactavated) |
| 05:50.52 | Guerin | nvz: no; I mean next academic year. Starting in march. |
| 05:51.25 | maher | acetech: is that some bios limitation? |
| 05:51.36 | nvz | Guerin: ah, I see now. thats what I was talking about.. the context didnt add up, unless you were somehow institutionalized. |
| 05:51.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:51.47 | nvz | or delerious |
| 05:51.49 | nvz | er |
| 05:52.02 | acetech | maher, yeah i have a bios limitation on the second drive |
| 05:52.06 | nvz | I need to think before I type or get a spel chekker |
| 05:52.41 | Lambo | I did a ls-l in a dir and i got this, -rw-rw---- 1 nobody root 172 Jan 19 13:27 cds , what does the 'nobody' mean? |
| 05:52.45 | Jaguar__ | how is it that booting into 2.4.27 would handle my devices while 2.6.8-1 somehow broke and lost them? I'm really having a problem with this. |
| 05:52.45 | maher | acetech: so i fthe bios can only see one drive you'll need boot stuff for both os's on that one |
| 05:52.52 | Jaguar__ | can't figure out a udev relationship |
| 05:53.04 | maher | Lambo: there is a user called nobody |
| 05:53.29 | maher | Lambo: who shouldn't own any files afaik |
| 05:53.30 | acetech | maher, the bios is able to see both drives when the second drive is setup as slave |
| 05:53.41 | Guerin | nobody is a bad choice for a username |
| 05:53.49 | Lambo | why is the root next to nobody? |
| 05:53.55 | Jaguar__ | lambdo, also type: man chmod to read about the rw (read/write/etc.) information |
| 05:53.59 | acetech | maher, is there a way to put the mbr in the second drive with windows? |
| 05:54.03 | Guerin | Lambo: owner group = nobody root |
| 05:54.04 | maher | Lambo: that is the group |
| 05:54.16 | Lambo | ok thanks |
| 05:54.21 | maher | acetech: why can't you put the mbr on the first drive |
| 05:54.23 | nvz | Jaguar__: well you are jumping a major kernel version, and installing several updated packages to compensate complete rewrites of kernel structures |
| 05:54.28 | Jaguar__ | and, with all respect, a beginners guide to unix would likely serve you well. |
| 05:54.36 | nvz | Jaguar__: maybe the question is why did you break a running system? |
| 05:54.40 | Jaguar__ | nvz, 2.6.8-1 has been in use on this system for months.. |
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| 05:54.52 | nvz | Jaguar__: for a purpose or for kicks? |
| 05:55.01 | maher | acetech: lilo / grub ought to be able to boot windows |
| 05:55.19 | acetech | maher, the mbr on the fisrt drive contains the grub.... but i think i need a windows mbr for the second drive to get windows to boot |
| 05:55.19 | Jaguar__ | that's what I'm trying to figure out.. I don't recall changing anything significant. However, the closest I'm able to come is adding wan modules. Let me investigate that more fully (see what the installation does) |
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| 05:55.26 | cat | if i put a pentium 4 will debian fly? |
| 05:55.46 | dondelelcaro | cat: yes, Debian will run away from you if you put a pentium 4. |
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| 05:55.48 | Guerin | cat: I can make debian fly without a computer at all |
| 05:55.50 | maher | cat: if you atach the p4 to a winged device |
| 05:56.05 | cat | does kernel 2.6 support scsi and sata? |
| 05:56.09 | nvz | Jaguar__: vagueness makes Tux the Penguin cry. |
| 05:56.18 | Jaguar__ | I was using the system for weeks [after that change] before rebooting to find it not working--so I was surprised when it failed :) Going to go check out the wlan installation |
| 05:56.19 | maher | acetech: you shouldn't need an mbr on the second disk - just tell grub to boot windows |
| 05:56.23 | Guerin | cat: I do live on the 7th floor, of course - cds go a looong way from up here |
| 05:56.33 | cat | so is a yes |
| 05:56.33 | cat | ? |
| 05:56.39 | maher | cat: yes |
| 05:56.44 | acetech | maher, ill try something out.... thanks for the advice |
| 05:56.50 | cat | so finally tomorrow i will have my server running ;P |
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| 05:57.01 | Guerin | i don't think there is an OS in the world which wouldn't go fast on a p4 |
| 05:57.06 | Guerin | if it would go at all |
| 05:57.19 | Douglas | Does anyone know of any unofficial apt mirrors that would have xorg and kde 3.4 packages? |
| 05:57.28 | Guerin | Douglas: google does |
| 05:58.00 | Douglas | I loo0ked, but after I while I thought that this might me quicker. |
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| 05:58.05 | Rebecca | can i install a smp kernel via apt-get? |
| 05:58.07 | cat | !tell Douglas about xorg |
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| 05:58.11 | maher | Rebecca: yes |
| 05:58.14 | cat | Rebecca: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:58.21 | Rebecca | thanks :) |
| 05:58.24 | cat | np |
| 05:58.45 | Douglas | thanks |
| 05:58.50 | cat | np dondelelcaro |
| 05:58.52 | cat | *douglas |
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| 05:59.14 | toresbe | nvz: Ooooh, thank you kindl |
| 05:59.16 | mjunkiexl | I just installed current Debian netinst ... my mouse isn't working. It's a Logitech Wireless USB ... but I have a PS/2 adapter and it's plugged into the PS/2 port. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and then trying /dev/psaux ... /dev/input/mice ... etc ... nothing seems to work. Any ideas? |
| 05:59.19 | toresbe | nvz: ...y. |
| 05:59.25 | srat | douglas: check debianplanet but be forwarned, I get artifacts with xorg. |
| 05:59.33 | Douglas | okey dokey |
| 05:59.37 | cat | !tell mjunkiexl about set up x |
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| 05:59.49 | nvz | toresbe: all I got is a pocket of rubber bands and a '83 Jill Finger Pistol |
| 06:00.14 | nvz | toresbe: I got good aim though and I can shoot up to three rounds without reloading |
| 06:00.32 | toresbe | nvz: From which of those two objecten did I get the tea then? |
| 06:00.37 | mjunkiexl | brb - trying those |
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| 06:00.58 | toresbe | toresbe the evil pluralen man |
| 06:00.58 | Douglas | what would I search for, alternate apt sources? |
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| 06:01.28 | dondelelcaro | mmm... electricity |
| 06:01.32 | nvz | heh |
| 06:01.43 | Guerin | Douglas: try apt-get.org; but generally, searching for programname "debian packages" works in google |
| 06:01.46 | toresbe | a decent one, too, unlike most you find in Norway |
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| 06:02.03 | debona|r | anyone here use unison? |
| 06:02.08 | dondelelcaro | heh. it can be difficult to find good tea anywhere |
| 06:02.09 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 06:02.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:02.54 | Jaguar__ | we drink a mix of a Persian black tea "shahrzaad" with a black Earl Grey... |
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| 06:03.04 | Jaguar__ | (the leaves are mixed) |
| 06:03.04 | debona|r | anyway, I'm trying to do their suggestion with using unison on two directories with symbolic links to the real files, and using the follow they suggest. however, I can't get it to sync up. anyone have experience with this? help appriciated |
| 06:03.51 | Douglas | would an ubuntu mirror work? |
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| 06:04.46 | Guerin | Douglas: maybe. |
| 06:05.01 | Guerin | Douglas: generally no; but it is possible to make them work, if you're 'ard enough. |
| 06:05.20 | Guerin | Douglas: don't bother trying to get help in here or in #ubuntu, though. |
| 06:05.38 | Guerin | i love tea |
| 06:05.51 | Guerin | unfortunately it's incredibly hard to get anything drinkable here |
| 06:06.25 | Guerin | nvz: you can lead a Jaguar__ to /topic, but you can't make him read... |
| 06:06.31 | nvz | heh |
| 06:06.37 | nvz | yeah this is true |
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| 06:06.48 | nvz | just like I led him to the freenode channel guidelines |
| 06:07.15 | Jaguar__ | I read on my own, thank you very much. |
| 06:07.19 | Douglas | damn |
| 06:07.41 | nvz | Jaguar__: the point being, for most of us, a /msg opens a new window, triggers a bell, and distracts us. we participate here at will, and often are juggling many tasks. We prefer to chat in the channels we are watching. |
| 06:07.41 | Douglas | I'm sad, it looks like I'll be building xorg and kde3.4 myself, and all the other freakin' packages I want |
| 06:07.44 | Jaguar__ | what am I looking for in the topic? |
| 06:08.05 | Jaguar__ | nvz's not seen my msg's for a while, I guess. |
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| 06:08.39 | Jaguar__ | (just noticed the server msg that he blocks unidentified users)... after we've had such a long discussion I changed my nick. Is that what did it? :/ |
| 06:08.40 | nvz | Jaguar__: no I seen them, and then I added 3 flags to my user mode, disabling messages, to avoid using the /ignore command |
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| 06:08.54 | Crell42 | What's the easiest way to drop a package back to an earlier version than what's in sid or sarge, but NOT all the way to woody? |
| 06:09.04 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 06:09.05 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
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| 06:09.32 | Crell42 | Thanks. How easy is it to then switch back to the straight provided package later, once the bug is fixed? |
| 06:10.03 | Guerin | Crell42: it'll come in on your next apt-get upgrade |
| 06:10.05 | nvz | Jaguar__: I don't like anyone other than my brother to /msg me.. and I don't really like it when he does it. He usually leaves in less than 5 minutes before I reply. We resolved your issue, you are no longer +q, you can talk to me in here. |
| 06:10.26 | Crell42 | Guerin: Hm. So I have to pin it to STOP it from doing so until then, then remember to unpin it. |
| 06:10.33 | Jaguar__ | What did you do? You carry on a long conversation with me then suddenly silently put me on ignore? This channel seriously surprises me. It's as if there's no experience of netequitte (sp?) here. |
| 06:10.41 | Guerin | Crell42: /msg dpkg hold. Pinning is a bit of overkill |
| 06:10.47 | nvz | Jaguar__: if you dont have something on-topic that you can say in here, or I dont respond. then I am busy or don't care. so you can just take a hint (: |
| 06:10.55 | Guerin | !irritate Jaguar__ |
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| 06:10.56 | dpkg | Jaguar__: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh edonkey U FUX0RZ |
| 06:11.08 | nvz | Jaguar__: and who knows someone else might help you instead if that happens |
| 06:11.18 | maher | Jaguar__: there's 700+ people here - should we all tell each other when we're busy? |
| 06:11.27 | Jaguar__ | No, that's cool. Just surprised you suddenly ignored me when I thought we were actually talking. Just a bit strange. |
| 06:11.29 | Guerin | maher: I need to go make a sandwich |
| 06:11.30 | Crell42 | Guerin: Neato, thanks. |
| 06:11.32 | Jaguar__ | (in private, mind you) |
| 06:11.48 | peterS | Guerin: hey, me too. I think I'll toast a bagel, actually |
| 06:11.50 | Jaguar__ | anyhow.. |
| 06:12.19 | Guerin | peterS: do you think anyone would mind if we just left without telling them? |
| 06:12.44 | toresbe | damnit! |
| 06:12.45 | [Cadet] | You better let everybody know you are busy, or if you leave |
| 06:12.45 | peterS | Guerin: !tell us about away |
| 06:12.47 | Guerin | s/mind/notice/ |
| 06:12.48 | toresbe | I forgot the breakfast |
| 06:12.57 | [Cadet] | some people might get pissed |
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| 06:13.04 | Jaguar__ | Cadet, it's not so bad when you can come back and read it.. but when you just ignore them.. that's just weird. |
| 06:13.08 | Jaguar__ | afk |
| 06:13.41 | Guerin | Jaguar__: we don't care if you're afk. That's the point. |
| 06:13.44 | [Cadet] | Jaguar__: you should just be surprised that anybody even answered 1 message, much less a conversation |
| 06:14.34 | Jaguar__ | okay.. relax.. go back to your conversations. :) I'm not asking for help on ettiquite. I've been using irc over 9 years--no need to jump on me on off-topic issues :) |
| 06:14.47 | nvz | Jaguar__: I was planning a trip to the kitchen to get a brownie.. I was also writing something as you /msg me with your issue in the first place.. I am busy.. I dont need anyone just /msg random stuff to me |
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| 06:15.25 | nvz | Jaguar__: the +CEei mode I have now, blocks the annoyance and still lets me see what you say here =P |
| 06:15.29 | Jaguar__ | You typed a book to me, and I appreciate it. It's obviously something you enjoy doing. Why are you jumping on me for assuming it was something you liked to do? |
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| 06:15.41 | Jaguar__ | Stability. |
| 06:15.43 | Crell42 | Guerin: Hm. I figure I'm doing something wrong with snapshot, because it looks like the directory for old copies of PHP is empty. |
| 06:15.50 | Guerin | let's just have a group hug and be happy |
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| 06:15.56 | Guerin | alll we need is love, guys |
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| 06:16.07 | toresbe | oh man |
| 06:16.16 | Jaguar__ | But it's so damned rude, nvz. We were typing back and forth for 1/2 hour, then suddenly I find, after a few minutes of periodic msg'ing of you, that all those msg's were ignored. |
| 06:16.22 | Guerin | Crell42: there's a bit of a trick to using s.d.n |
| 06:16.31 | Crell42 | Apparently. :-) Willing to share? |
| 06:16.34 | baroni | Hello all. My system do not have a /etc/apt/apt.conf. This file has changed to other place in sarge ? |
| 06:16.48 | Jaguar__ | But it's okay--I need no explanation. Thank you. We can stop this here so as not to distract the channel. |
| 06:17.01 | nvz | Jaguar__: I dont meant to. I am just pointing out its in the topic of the channel not to /msg people, and I was telling you why. As I am busy, despite the fact I was able to split my screen, pull up a link, grep my logs, and ask an op to -q your host.. and babled a bit during that. |
| 06:17.02 | Beccara | what driver would i use in xfree86 to use the 3d mode in my rage 3d pro |
| 06:17.03 | Guerin | Crell42: if you get a pacge with just Packages.gz and Release.gz; you're in the repository section - there's also a pool section which allows you to download individual packages |
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| 06:17.21 | Guerin | s/pacge/page/ |
| 06:17.28 | Crell42 | I see... How does one get there? |
| 06:18.04 | Guerin | http://snapshot.debian.net/package/foo |
| 06:18.12 | maher | OMFG |
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| 06:18.44 | nvz | Jaguar__: I am not even an op or staff on freenode, so I didnt even need to entertain you to begin with. I need everything to get back to as "normal" as #debian can be so I can get back to what I was doing without my window bells going off |
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| 06:19.02 | Crell42 | That gives me a list of tarballs and diff files, but not debs. |
| 06:19.14 | Jaguar__ | The channel's non-msg regulation is to protect the people from stray msg's. It is for guidance in that direction, not as a strict rule. It is selfish of the individual NOT to allow /msg's as it directs the otherwise private msg's into open, where it can stir up a channel and where privacy between individuals is not accounted for. These things are covered and explained in the Freenode policy page very nicely, including PM recomendat |
| 06:19.27 | Guerin | Crell42: click the date of the version you want |
| 06:19.28 | Jaguar__ | I'll go now, so as not to be tempted. Take care. |
| 06:19.49 | Guerin | Crell42: yeah, it's a bastard to navigate. |
| 06:19.55 | Crell42 | Quite. :-) |
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| 06:20.12 | Crell42 | Oh good, 10,000 packages... |
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| 06:20.40 | Guerin | Jaguar__: individual channel guidelines can override freenode's guidelines. Just don't sweat it, let it drop. |
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| 06:21.16 | nvz | Guerin: he's missing the point I subscribe to #debian and dont mind talking here, we just dont want to be /msg'd |
| 06:21.30 | mjunkiexl | Alright... I tried the instructions from dpkg ... my mouse still isn't working in X. |
| 06:21.44 | maher | mjunkiexl: do you have the mouse module loaded |
| 06:21.49 | helloyo | how do i add keysyms? |
| 06:21.51 | mjunkiexl | It's a Logitech Wireless USB trackball.. plugged into PS/2 port via adapter |
| 06:22.12 | Crell42 | Gah, backing up a half dozen packages bites. |
| 06:22.13 | mjunkiexl | maher --> didn't think a module was necessary for a PS/2 .. ? |
| 06:22.34 | mjunkiexl | maher --> I'm *VERY* use to mandrake... so I might be a little foreign to the precepts behind Debian |
| 06:22.41 | nvz | I can look away from #debian and do other things, those /msg call my attention my client notices me, looks up a whois on the user, triggers a window bell, and flashes by screen |
| 06:22.45 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: modprobe psmouse |
| 06:22.51 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: presuming 2.6 kernel |
| 06:23.03 | baroni | The /etc/apt/apt.conf should exist? Because I wanna change it, but it does not exists here |
| 06:23.13 | nvz | starts a log.. blah.. blah blah.. |
| 06:23.14 | Guerin | baroni: if it doesn't exist, create it |
| 06:23.17 | maher | mjunkiexl: install discover for auto hw stuff |
| 06:23.19 | mjunkiexl | Nope -- kernel 2.4.27 ... because I heard the 2.4 kernel was much easier to get ivtv/mythtv working, which is why I switched to Debian to begin with |
| 06:23.22 | mjunkiexl | maher -- I did |
| 06:23.35 | maher | mjunkiexl: check psmouse is loaded anyway |
| 06:23.39 | Guerin | nvz: stop going on about it already. jesus, you're like my fucking grandmother... |
| 06:23.48 | nvz | heh |
| 06:24.00 | Guerin | except not belgian, and not quite so paranoid |
| 06:24.04 | Guerin | and not 75 |
| 06:24.10 | mjunkiexl | maher --> It is not |
| 06:24.16 | jazzmans | Anyone know when the new libasound packages will be released to sarge? bug 287583? |
| 06:24.22 | maher | Guerin: how are you going to get married unless you dress properly and get a decent haircut? |
| 06:24.25 | toresbe | Guerin: WTF? nvz isn't 75? |
| 06:24.25 | nvz | well it does annoy me.. my brother is the worst.. he /msg me random links and stuff then dissapears.. hes like a spambot |
| 06:24.33 | Guerin | maher: eh? |
| 06:24.37 | toresbe | any docs on how to build a package from source? |
| 06:24.47 | maher | Guerin: maybe you're grandmother isn't like mine... |
| 06:24.52 | Jaguar3 | toresbe, have you succeeded in untarring it? |
| 06:24.59 | Jaguar3 | there's often a README or INSTALL in it. |
| 06:25.01 | Guerin | maher: hahaha |
| 06:25.01 | maher | mjunkiexl: modprobe psmouse |
| 06:25.09 | Guerin | maher: nope, not like that at all. |
| 06:25.25 | mjunkiexl | maher: modprobe: Can't locate module psmouse |
| 06:25.28 | Guerin | maher: far too self-centred to worry about what other people are about, bless her. |
| 06:25.30 | toresbe | Jaguar3: Oh, ha ha :P I meant, as in deb source package and building that |
| 06:25.36 | maher | mjunkiexl: what kernel |
| 06:25.53 | mjunkiexl | 2.4.27-1-386 ... the very latest netinst 2.4 |
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| 06:26.02 | Jaguar3 | oh.. :) install the package, then list the contents to see where debian puts source files, .. ? |
| 06:26.08 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: it's not in 2.4 kernels. you might want mousedev and/or hid |
| 06:26.23 | mofomikes | hey ppl |
| 06:26.31 | Guerin | parts per litre? |
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| 06:26.35 | Guerin | how many? |
| 06:26.37 | nvz | heh |
| 06:26.48 | jazzmans | lol @ guerin. Good one. |
| 06:27.13 | mofomikes | funny |
| 06:27.18 | mjunkiexl | Guerin .. I tried modprobe mousedev and it loaded. |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: mouse working? |
| 06:27.38 | mjunkiexl | Nope :( |
| 06:27.45 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: are you in X currently? |
| 06:28.00 | mjunkiexl | Yes, XFree 4.3 something |
| 06:28.18 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: ok. what about hid? |
| 06:28.47 | maher | mjunkiexl: cat /dev/psaux and waggle the mouse |
| 06:28.57 | mjunkiexl | it modprobed successfully, but still doesn't work |
| 06:30.03 | mofomikes | colloquy is the best graphical irc client |
| 06:30.07 | Guerin | haha, the norwegian routeplanning hackery on p.d.n is teh funnay |
| 06:30.11 | mofomikes | amazing. too bad its only for mac |
| 06:30.22 | Guerin | mofomikes: that makes it not the best. |
| 06:30.28 | mjunkiexl | maher -- tried it.. nothing happened |
| 06:30.36 | mofomikes | heh |
| 06:30.40 | maher | mjunkiexl: ok - dunno |
| 06:30.45 | mofomikes | maher what are u struggling on |
| 06:30.50 | Guerin | !u |
| 06:30.50 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:31.09 | jazzmans | Anyone know when the new libasound packages will be released to sarge? bug 287583? |
| 06:31.18 | mjunkiexl | Guerin -- you talking about the MSN Mappoint graphic demonstrating Microsoft's excellent efficiency? |
| 06:31.51 | mjunkiexl | Guerin -- If so, when I saw that map I immediately thought that was the route for the Balmer "developers" parade :) |
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| 06:32.28 | Guerin | mjunkiexl: I'm just talking about the scenic route between Haugesund and Trondheim ... via Amsterdam |
| 06:32.39 | zakame | hi all |
| 06:32.53 | Guerin | i'm sure toresbe would be interested in it |
| 06:33.09 | mjunkiexl | Anyways ... any other ideas on the mouse? |
| 06:33.54 | zakame | interested in what? |
| 06:34.00 | Jaguar3 | There are more ideas on a pen than a mouse I think. But more on a mouse than a touchpad. |
| 06:34.13 | Guerin | zakame: see p.d.n |
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| 06:35.29 | helloyo | in the kde control centre cups configuration thing, i can't select samba printer, how come? i have samba running |
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| 06:36.00 | nvz | hmm I just realized my document was titled seremity when I thought I titled it serenity.. its just notes, so its no big deal I guess |
| 06:36.02 | Guerin | oh, my bad ... not via amsterdam, via london and something that looks like about Sheffield |
| 06:36.03 | Jaguar3 | helloyo, not sure. Did you try using the konquerer printer-configuration method? |
| 06:36.09 | toresbe | Guerin: Hm? |
| 06:36.12 | helloyo | Jaguar3, no, whats that? |
| 06:36.18 | toresbe | Guerin: in what? |
| 06:36.20 | nvz | I blame small fonts |
| 06:36.23 | Guerin | toresbe: haugesund -> trondheim via sheffield |
| 06:36.26 | zakame | Guerin: packages or planet? |
| 06:36.32 | Guerin | planet |
| 06:36.34 | cafuego | Yay, bank of crusty dell laptops with broken HDDs now PXE booting :-) |
| 06:36.37 | Jaguar3 | run konquerer, then click the print icon.. |
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| 06:36.39 | toresbe | aha |
| 06:36.44 | Guerin | cafuego: winnah! |
| 06:36.57 | cafuego | Guerin: Now all I need is a task to set them to. |
| 06:37.08 | zakame | ok |
| 06:37.54 | Guerin | cafuego: monkeys! |
| 06:38.11 | cafuego | There's an infinite number of them at the front door! |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 06:38.43 | Beccara | on a clean debian system after i get apache and php when i click a folder in my webbroswer with index.php in it it prompts me to download it but if i point it right at the php file it renders it |
| 06:38.52 | Guerin | first N monkeys get to sit in here and mash away at dell laptops until they produce something useful! |
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| 06:39.22 | Guerin | Beccara: add index.php to the list of files it considers an index file |
| 06:39.25 | Jaguar3 | helloyo, it's a different printer configuration location than that in the system menu [on my system]. Nevertheless, I've still been unable to get our printer (hooked up to our router) to print through the net, from linux. Works from XP. |
| 06:39.27 | mjunkiexl | maher --> you still around? |
| 06:39.42 | Guerin | AutoIndex or something, I think |
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| 06:39.58 | helloyo | Jaguar3, my situation is i have a printer connected to an XP machine that is shared, i just don't know how to go to it with samba, or cups |
| 06:40.02 | Beccara | it is in that like Guerin |
| 06:40.14 | Beccara | <IfModule mod_dir.c> |
| 06:40.14 | Beccara | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.14 | Beccara | </IfModule> |
| 06:40.23 | Jaguar3 | helloyo, run konquerer yet? |
| 06:40.23 | Guerin | Beccara: beats me then. Ask #apache - this is a config issue, not a debian issue. |
| 06:40.35 | Beccara | ok thanks |
| 06:40.39 | helloyo | Jaguar3, yeah, but it hasn't got the printer there |
| 06:41.23 | Jaguar3 | Beccara, also have the type added? and added in the specific <location> ? |
| 06:41.43 | Jaguar3 | it sounds like apache's not recognizing the mime-type for the .php extension |
| 06:42.14 | mjunkiexl | Guerin ... when I use autodetection for the mouse in dpkg ... if that helps |
| 06:42.25 | mjunkiexl | Guerin -- and that's with hid and mousedev modprobed |
| 06:43.04 | Jaguar3 | make sure mod_dir is used too :) try: /path/to/apache/bin/httpd -l to make sure mod_dir is there |
| 06:43.06 | Beccara | Jaguar3, how do i do that? |
| 06:43.16 | Beccara | ok |
| 06:43.39 | cafuego | Beccara: You need to 1) make sure the php module loads, 2) m,ake sure tyou have an AddType application/x-httpd-php somewhere and 3) make sure the browser isn't chaching the incorrect headers and forcing the file to download even though apache is set up correctly. |
| 06:44.02 | Beccara | ok |
| 06:44.33 | debian | Hmmmm, MS is hiring University Relations Manager here.... |
| 06:44.48 | nvz | cafuego: you need to make sure that (cat?) doesn't run across your keyboard again when you are trying to type (: |
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| 06:45.15 | Xenguy | debian: that's University Propoganda Manager, isn't it ? |
| 06:45.43 | debian | Xenguy: whatever ugly name that gives sexy pay. :P |
| 06:45.54 | Xenguy | sure, whatever :P |
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| 06:46.21 | Crell42 | debian: What that means is teach classes for credit at schools where you evangelize how much .NET rocks and everything else sucks. |
| 06:46.27 | toresbe | Guerin: Haha :) |
| 06:46.40 | Crell42 | There's a guy at my university teaching that class, and he IS on the MS payroll. The class is about the ".NET Experience". It's disgusting. |
| 06:46.40 | toresbe | Guerin: Amusingly, I might be going to Trondheim soon |
| 06:46.41 | Xenguy | . o O ( there's better things to do to make $$$$$ ) |
| 06:47.11 | streuner | debian: how much? |
| 06:47.58 | Beccara | Jaguar3, Mod_dir isnt in there |
| 06:48.03 | jackofire | i still laugh at http://www.ntk.net/ballmer/mirrors.html |
| 06:48.06 | Beccara | only core modso and macro |
| 06:48.09 | Xenguy | debian: P.S. Change your nick - immediately :P |
| 06:48.29 | nvz | Crell42: don't they say eXPerience ;) thats where its disgusting |
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| 06:49.16 | Crell42 | nvz: I don't know, I didn't take the class. Just heard about it from a friend. (She and I are BOTH ex-presidents of the school's LUG. <g>) |
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| 06:49.20 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 06:49.28 | lkthomas | anyone using amavisd + sql ? |
| 06:49.44 | Crell42 | lkthomas: For about 36 hours now, kinda sorta. :-) |
| 06:50.03 | Crell42 | Well, postfix is using amavisd anyway. |
| 06:50.04 | mjunkiexl | ok -- dumb question -- in the debian netinst install menus.. how do you toggle a checkbox? usually left/right arrow works, but not for me |
| 06:50.10 | streuner | lkthomas: #amavis? |
| 06:50.14 | debian | don't blame the question |
| 06:50.21 | Crell42 | mjunkiexl: Spacebar. |
| 06:50.23 | mjunkiexl | :P |
| 06:50.26 | mjunkiexl | thanks |
| 06:50.29 | Crell42 | np |
| 06:50.31 | nvz | Crell42: oh, you both still go to school there? |
| 06:50.44 | mjunkiexl | I'm just going to do a reinstall... and do a more thorough pack install ... maybe mouse'll work then |
| 06:50.46 | mjunkiexl | brb |
| 06:51.00 | Crell42 | nvz: I'm currently in my last class before I finish grad school. She just started grad school this quarter. (We both did undergrad at the school, too.) |
| 06:51.03 | debian | Crell42: no, the job desc said you need to eat and prostitute with them |
| 06:51.21 | debian | streuner: more than I'm receving now I'm absolutely sure |
| 06:51.23 | streuner | mjunkiexl: what kind of *mouse* do you have? |
| 06:51.37 | streuner | debian: haha, the same here :-) |
| 06:51.39 | nvz | Crell42: ah, well you said you were both ex-president.. blah blah blah.. I was just wondering if you lost time, or sold out.. heh |
| 06:51.58 | debian | Xenguy: my reputation in Linux world (I mean, having a nick in #debian of irc.debian.org) is definitely a plus to my application. :P |
| 06:52.06 | Crell42 | hehe. No, I took the 4 year BS and the 2.5 year MS program. :-) |
| 06:52.15 | Crell42 | So now looking for work, and going "well shit, now what?" |
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| 06:52.58 | Jaguar3 | beccara, probably it's there anyway--just not compiled in. It's an older version (and custom compiled) of apache I'm running. You most likely have it in /etc/apache/modules.conf or so.. |
| 06:53.41 | Xenguy | debian: yeah but do you deserve it -- I mean c'mon, you call yourself 'debian', and then you ponder working for microcrap -- what's the deal, do you have principles or is greed your only compass? |
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| 06:54.13 | Crell42 | If the latter, then you are fully qualified to work for MS. |
| 06:54.26 | Jaguar3 | you can test by putting a DirectoryIndex index.php command right into your server's config section. What is it prompting you to download, btw? |
| 06:54.34 | Xenguy | Crell42: agreed |
| 06:54.49 | nvz | Xenguy: we can't do it here, but we should all get our brooms and go to debian's house, I think thats grounds to declare shenanagans |
| 06:55.09 | Jaguar3 | if you save it and look at its contents.. do you see it's the same index.php file? |
| 06:55.09 | Xenguy | nvz: the besom chant would be in order, yes |
| 06:55.19 | Xenguy | nvz: or an exorcism :P |
| 06:55.24 | nvz | hah |
| 06:55.49 | debian | Xenguy: hahaha, if they hire me for my pure Linux, Java and Oracle background they deserves it. XD |
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| 06:55.55 | ephic | ok whats debian mantra? |
| 06:55.55 | Jaguar3 | can't someone go work somewhere and fix something? |
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| 06:56.02 | zakame | bosom chant |
| 06:56.10 | Xenguy | heh |
| 06:56.17 | debian | ephic: chant after me: MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:56.27 | streuner | hey, what do you think? you can have still white wings in a system like this? What you dreaming at night? :-) |
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| 06:56.47 | mcgrof | anyone know what default passwd the debian account uses? |
| 06:56.48 | debian | Xenguy: really, my friend who claimed in the interview of a MS post that he never once use MS Windows got hired. |
| 06:56.54 | ephic | ol what? |
| 06:56.56 | mcgrof | for mysql |
| 06:57.05 | ephic | MUHAHAHHAHAHHA |
| 06:57.10 | ephic | ok now what is debian manta lol. |
| 06:57.11 | debian | mcgrof: what distro, or installer you were using? |
| 06:57.22 | Xenguy | debian: it's all bullshit, and if you can't see that, then good luck and fair thee well ;-) |
| 06:57.23 | nvz | mcgrof: you were asked that info during the post-install configuration if you created a user there |
| 06:57.26 | mcgrof | debian: debian testing |
| 06:57.31 | peterS | ephic: "debiommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" |
| 06:57.50 | debian | ephic: ours has 2 less 'HA' and two extra 'H' |
| 06:57.52 | malenfant | when I plug my USB camera in, hotplug loads the 'ub' module, and it shows up as /deb/uban - is there a way to use the 'ehci' module instead? does this make sense? |
| 06:57.58 | debian | ephic: OURS=YOURS |
| 06:58.04 | mcgrof | nvz: well the problem is I did some nasty thing -- I cp -a'd the /var/lib/mysql files from an old setup I had |
| 06:58.14 | peterS | malenfant: you're using multiple modules. ehci_hcd is one, ub is another |
| 06:58.16 | Xenguy | Let's mock something we have no idea about -- la la la :P |
| 06:58.22 | debian | mcgrof: the installer must have prompt you for root password |
| 06:58.23 | nvz | mcgrof: so dpkg-reconfigure the damn thing, heh (: |
| 06:58.25 | Beccara | Jaguar3 its promting me to download index.php |
| 06:58.33 | mcgrof | nvz: :) thanks |
| 06:58.44 | peterS | malenfant: ub is for talking to the camera's usb storage protocol, ehci_hcd is to talk to the camera via the usb bus *at all* |
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| 06:59.02 | malenfant | peterS: OK. so ub is dependant on ehci_hcd? |
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| 06:59.20 | debian | mcgrof: you must have used some strange installer |
| 06:59.21 | peterS | malenfant: well, it's dependent on having *some* hcd module. ehci_hcd is for USB 2.0 devices |
| 06:59.22 | Beccara | Jaguar3, dont worry looks like mozzila is screwing up IE opens it fine |
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| 06:59.44 | peterS | malenfant: ub can also work with, for example, uhci_hcd, which is for USB 1.1 devices |
| 07:00.13 | malenfant | peterS: my camera is a USB 1.1 device, but I'm getting super slow transfer rates (it goes much faster in OS X, or Windows, almost 10x) ... do you have any idea what may explain this? |
| 07:00.29 | Jaguar3 | okay.. then I shall leave :) |
| 07:00.37 | ephic | how do you set display in debian? |
| 07:00.44 | peterS | malenfant: possibly the fact that you're using ub. ub is a very new driver, an alternative to an older driver called usb-storage |
| 07:00.49 | ephic | for some reason x wont start.. |
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| 07:00.54 | ephic | because it says cannot open display. |
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| 07:01.01 | peterS | malenfant: usb-storage depends on not only uhci_hcd but sd_mod, which is the SCSI disk module |
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| 07:01.07 | streuner | ephic: what videocard do you have? |
| 07:01.20 | peterS | malenfant: and it's reported that ub is more reliable, but significantly slower, than usb_storage |
| 07:01.32 | ephic | nvidia geforce 5.2 |
| 07:01.43 | ephic | i updated xfree86 |
| 07:01.43 | debian | !nvidia |
| 07:01.44 | dpkg | nvidia is probably To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 07:01.52 | streuner | ephic: try 'nv' in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:02.14 | streuner | ephic: if that doesn't work use what 'debian' told you. |
| 07:02.20 | ephic | right on thanks.. |
| 07:02.23 | streuner | np |
| 07:02.28 | malenfant | peterS: ahh, OK, that makes sense... so it's probably best that I continue using ub, since it will be the future (and probably faster eventually...) what do I have to do to try usb-storage, in terms of hotplug configuration? |
| 07:02.28 | zakame | what would you buy to use on a via kt266a mobo, a geforce fx 5950 or a geforce 6600? |
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| 07:03.03 | streuner | zakame: the manual should tell you or/and the website? |
| 07:03.04 | Crell42 | Damnit, I hate blocking while waiting for input. |
| 07:03.14 | Crell42 | It's bad enough when a program does it, but when *I* end up doing it.... *sigh* |
| 07:03.21 | streuner | zakame: use 'usenet' too |
| 07:03.22 | peterS | malenfant: both ub and usb_storage will continue to exist, I think. you can certainly try usb_storage to see if it's faster. |
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| 07:03.38 | zakame | streuner: i don't have a man, have read the sites, but not yet nntp... |
| 07:03.52 | streuner | zakame: groups.google.com |
| 07:03.52 | zakame | just asking for opinion... |
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| 07:04.12 | streuner | zakame: very lucky if you find someone who use this combination... |
| 07:04.23 | streuner | just here now. |
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| 07:04.48 | booyaa | *hmmm* |
| 07:05.13 | booyaa | a fresh debian install is not a bad idea occasionally |
| 07:05.13 | zakame | streuner: what combo? |
| 07:05.36 | streuner | zakame: mobo + videocard? |
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| 07:05.53 | mwilson | booyaa: Why in the world would that be? |
| 07:06.19 | malenfant | peterS: somewhat of a newbie question, but what configuration do I edit to actually use usb-storage - I haven't really figured out what the kernel or hotplug does to decide that ub is the one |
| 07:06.25 | booyaa | mwilson, i can't explain it, things seem 'snapier' on a fresh install |
| 07:07.03 | mwilson | I should have known. |
| 07:07.13 | zakame | streuner: yep.. |
| 07:07.20 | booyaa | lol, oh i knew you would see it my way |
| 07:07.22 | booyaa | >_> |
| 07:07.35 | helloyo | booyaa.. yeah every couple of weeks i format, and i often delete all my config files, so i have a fresh kde |
| 07:07.43 | peterS | malenfant: probably something in /etc/hotplug/ |
| 07:07.44 | mwilson | I do? That's an interesting assertion, not supported by any fact. |
| 07:08.00 | booyaa | helloyo, yeah, it's kinda funky experience |
| 07:08.25 | malenfant | peterS: OK, I'll continue searching there :-). Thanks for your help! |
| 07:08.42 | mwilson | Why? Did you say something remotely funny? |
| 07:09.03 | booyaa | indubidably! |
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| 07:13.48 | Guerin | helloyo: why bother, when you could just delete all of kde and have a fast system permanently? |
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| 07:14.30 | booyaa | now you see, theres humour! |
| 07:14.43 | Guerin | yeah, I'll be here all week. |
| 07:14.57 | Guerin | fwiw |
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| 07:15.35 | loke | !beer everyone |
| 07:15.46 | loke | bottoms up |
| 07:16.55 | booyaa | not a popular brand it seems |
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| 07:18.37 | Jenns | Hey guys, I've got a PCMCIA flash card reader here that I'm trying to get working, It's sitting on /dev/hdc, I can cat /dev/hdc | head and confirm it is indeed the fat32 compact flash disk that I inserted, trouble is mount insists that it cant mount it, it ports FAT: invalid media value (0x01), |
| 07:19.14 | WorkerII | Many danes find it hard to accept that they cannot use danish alphabet in the topic of mailmessages. Is there any standard that defines a way to get non-ascii chars in the header? |
| 07:19.39 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: yes, it's rfc_1522 |
| 07:19.43 | dondelelcaro | !rfc 1522 |
| 07:19.47 | peterS | Jenns: does /proc/partitions show that 'hdc' has a partition table with 'hdc1' etc. on it? |
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| 07:20.09 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : That is both for body and subject? |
| 07:20.28 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: you'll see things like =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andreas_Kr=FCger?= |
| 07:20.28 | peterS | WorkerII: no, for headers. the body uses MIME for character set business |
| 07:20.59 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : Ahh .. qouted printables. |
| 07:21.08 | Guerin | i get korean messages with non-unicode stuff all the time |
| 07:21.12 | Jenns | cat /proc/paritions shows 22 major 0 minor hdc, 22 major 1 minor hdc1 |
| 07:21.20 | peterS | WorkerII: yes. the =? ?Q? ?= means quoted-printable, with specified character set |
| 07:21.22 | WorkerII | peterS : I am not sure what you say. Isn't the subject part of the header? |
| 07:21.23 | Jenns | and a certain number of blocks of course |
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| 07:21.27 | Guerin | headers, subject, from-address, name, anything |
| 07:21.31 | peterS | Jenns: then try mounting /dev/hdc1 rather than /dev/hdc |
| 07:21.37 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: if your MUA is sane, you basically can ignore that whole part, and the MUA takes care of it for you. |
| 07:21.37 | Jenns | ok |
| 07:21.39 | Guerin | sometimes even a mix of unicode and crazy korean locale... |
| 07:21.41 | deadcat | Jenns: try cfdisk /dev/hdc |
| 07:21.56 | Jenns | that worked peterS, thanks :-) |
| 07:22.08 | peterS | WorkerII: yes. the headers that you're likely to see this in are To, Cc, From, Subject |
| 07:22.23 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : Well .. my MUA is evolution, and I write with people using outlook express. |
| 07:22.31 | WorkerII | peterS: Ahh ok .. |
| 07:22.32 | peterS | WorkerII: but the *body* of the message uses MIME for specifying character set / encoding |
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| 07:22.36 | WorkerII | yeah :) |
| 07:22.47 | WorkerII | Cool .. thanks both of you, dondelelcaro and peterS !! |
| 07:22.50 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: well, then all bets are off... probably both of them are broken. |
| 07:22.51 | sean_micken | off topic, but does anyone know if you can use a linksys router's built-in switch as just a standard switch bypassing all the router config stuff? |
| 07:23.08 | sean_micken | so, i just want to use this linksys router as a switch. |
| 07:23.19 | benjamindees | sean_micken, I would hope so |
| 07:23.36 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: yeah, just turn off the dhcp part, and don't plug anything into the WAN port |
| 07:23.36 | benjamindees | sean_micken, but I have no experience with them |
| 07:23.54 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever the hell they're labeling that port as nowdays) |
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| 07:26.02 | Melsen | Morning folks |
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| 07:30.20 | deadcat | how does xfce4.2 differentiate my 2 screens? allowing me to have 2 diff bg images |
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| 07:32.32 | kevinz | is sarge "freeze" now ? |
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| 07:32.44 | peterS | kevinz: only a little |
| 07:32.48 | loke | kevinz ? |
| 07:32.57 | kevinz | o, i can't see update for several days |
| 07:33.13 | kreg | if you know a unicode, how do you type it into a text editor? |
| 07:33.23 | kreg | a square is 25A1 |
| 07:33.29 | kreg | i'd like to print a square character |
| 07:33.50 | NobleArc | my gawd I missed Debian.. I had to live with Windows for over a month until I could get it working.. :0 |
| 07:33.59 | Rebecca | um. dont lecture me on how bad this is.. but how would i setup x so that rather than display the login, it just skips straight to a certain user? |
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| 07:34.47 | cafuego | Rebecca: use the KDE control center or gdmconfig. |
| 07:34.50 | peterS | Rebecca: gdm has a config option for this somewhere in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf - presumably the other display managers do too |
| 07:34.52 | deadcat | Rebecca: config your dm |
| 07:35.12 | cafuego | and yes, it's VERY bad |
| 07:35.18 | Rebecca | ok, ill try gdmconfig.. since i dont have kde |
| 07:35.45 | cafuego | Rebecca: it's on the 'Advanced' tab |
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| 07:36.22 | alankelon | hello. Does anybody installed xfs (or jfs) with lvm? I'll reinstall my debian box and I'm looking for feedbacks in this scheme... (sorry my english) |
| 07:36.37 | Rebecca | cafuego: i know it's bad, but unless someone can help me bind a vnc session to an existing x session then i think it's my only choice |
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| 07:37.20 | alankelon | I'll install the netinst disc tho |
| 07:37.56 | syntaxman | I've run unstable in the past, and am thinking about upgradeing a Sarge installation to Sid... |
| 07:38.07 | syntaxman | But I'll wait if there are a lot of current problems. |
| 07:38.16 | syntaxman | What's the word on Sid? |
| 07:38.30 | syntaxman | is it broken? or behaving? :) |
| 07:38.40 | NobleArc | There are always problems with Sid. |
| 07:38.45 | syntaxman | yeah. |
| 07:38.46 | takatumi | syntaxman: if you going to wait until all the problems are solved, keep waiting. |
| 07:39.01 | syntaxman | I'm just curious if there are any show stoppers. |
| 07:39.09 | krenin | testing has way fewer problems |
| 07:39.17 | NobleArc | last time I tried running sid, I died a little. |
| 07:39.20 | NobleArc | :0 |
| 07:39.26 | loke | lol |
| 07:39.28 | syntaxman | heh |
| 07:39.43 | Rebecca | does anyone know how i can have the same x session accessable locally and remotely? |
| 07:40.10 | syntaxman | I have heard that VNC may be able to do that kind of thing. |
| 07:40.18 | syntaxman | Never used it personally. |
| 07:40.38 | loke | Rebecca maybe tightvnc? |
| 07:40.48 | loke | Rebecca i know tightvnc does that on windows |
| 07:40.49 | Rebecca | vnc seems to like starting it's own session... |
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| 07:41.33 | loke | Rebecca whats so bad about another session? |
| 07:42.09 | Rebecca | because i need to access applications both remotely and locally |
| 07:42.45 | loke | Rebecca dont you have access remote/local with vnc? |
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| 07:43.14 | loke | Rebecca what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 07:43.25 | loke | Rebecca what apps are you running? |
| 07:43.41 | Rebecca | sorry... access to the same instance of applications. not different instances |
| 07:43.50 | loke | Rebecca gotcha. |
| 07:44.01 | loke | Rebecca i would check out tightvnc |
| 07:44.25 | Rebecca | ive already checked vnc.. ill try tightvnc |
| 07:44.41 | booyaa | http://www.alacos.com/ <-- nifty |
| 07:44.57 | loke | Rebecca is it a linux server? |
| 07:45.13 | Rebecca | yes, debian testing |
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| 07:45.31 | kurumin | hello Rebecca |
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| 07:48.13 | Jenns | I'm sure dpkg has this answer for me already but err.. ext2 to ext3 conversion, is it possible and what tools are available in debian to do it |
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| 07:48.52 | peterS | Jenns: tune2fs -j /dev/whatever |
| 07:49.03 | peterS | change /etc/fstab, unmount, remount, end of story |
| 07:49.10 | Jenns | can it be done while the fs is mounted? |
| 07:49.11 | Jenns | ok |
| 07:49.23 | peterS | I'm pretty sure you can do it while the fs is mounted, yeah |
| 07:49.31 | Jenns | ta |
| 07:49.34 | peterS | it doesn't actually act as ext3 until you unmount / remount |
| 07:49.48 | Jenns | yup, that shouldnt be a problem |
| 07:49.54 | Jenns | thanks again |
| 07:49.57 | Jenns | :-) |
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| 07:53.10 | fusion | I have broken packages that try and install themselves each time i run apt-get..how can I stop this? |
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| 07:54.04 | cyberyo | io |
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| 07:54.26 | ghost_ | Just scanned my pc and showing alot of open tcp ports with some looks like they are running things like bo2k and Net Bus |
| 07:54.35 | ghost_ | can this be true?? |
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| 07:56.44 | rovragge | gdm autologin is not working for me. "system bootup in progress" gdm says on boot and then "authentication failed" |
| 07:57.05 | helloyo | how long would you recommend keeping a highly used debian install before a fresh install? |
| 07:57.06 | Bogaurd | when i check the properties of my /etc/ dir with samba, it is reported as being about 30mb, but as taking 1.36 gb of hd space. is this this due to ext3 having a bad cluster size selected? |
| 07:57.41 | maher | helloyo: you never need to reinstall |
| 07:57.41 | Zero_Dogg | helloyo: a few centuries? |
| 07:57.57 | helloyo | maher, but things sort of... clog up |
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| 07:58.10 | maher | helloyo: ? what does |
| 07:58.17 | fusion | 5190/tcp open aol |
| 07:58.18 | fusion | MAC Address: 00:C0:49:D4:4E:AC (U.S. Robotics) |
| 07:58.24 | fusion | why would that be open on my router? |
| 07:58.26 | fusion | (aol) |
| 07:58.28 | helloyo | maher, just the whole system... it gets stale in a way |
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| 07:59.11 | Zero_Dogg | helloyo: sounds like you've done something really weird to it |
| 07:59.26 | Jenns | fusion: it's possible that you have say... a port forward set for aol/aim or something, check your router config |
| 07:59.29 | helloyo | its fine at the moment, because i recently installed, i guess i just stuff it up |
| 07:59.32 | maher | helloyo: ? maybe - use cruft |
| 07:59.38 | Koffa | helloyo: I maintain several 5yrs+ debian installs which work fine :) |
| 07:59.51 | fusion | Jenns: Ah... .I dont use any AOL products and I just reset it to factory defauly |
| 07:59.53 | fusion | *default |
| 07:59.55 | Zero_Dogg | helloyo: using unstable or testing? |
| 08:00.00 | fusion | but thanks |
| 08:00.23 | helloyo | Zero_Dogg, testing |
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| 08:02.52 | ghost_ | Just scanned my pc and showing alot of open tcp ports with some looks like they are running things like bo2k and Net Bus |
| 08:02.59 | ghost_ | can this be true?? |
| 08:03.25 | fusion | its possible..got any users? |
| 08:03.46 | maher | ghost_: use netstat -pant |
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| 08:05.56 | ghost_ | maher: i show one connection, irc, but i have only had 2 open ports before tonight |
| 08:07.31 | DerJamster | ghost_: netstat -nlp <- anything just listening? |
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| 08:08.43 | primeroc | hay alguien de marbella?æ |
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| 08:09.17 | tulga | hi all |
| 08:09.25 | tulga | i need help in kde |
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| 08:09.37 | tulga | how i remove kde components in debian |
| 08:09.45 | ghost_ | DerJamster: yeah, 11 ports |
| 08:09.54 | deadcat | tulga: apt-get remove |
| 08:09.58 | Bogaurd | when i check the properties of my /etc/ dir with samba, it is reported as being about 30mb, but as taking 1.36 gb of hd space. is this this due to ext3 having a bad cluster size selected? |
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| 08:10.00 | Jenns | tulga: apt-get remove kde |
| 08:10.10 | DerJamster | ghost_: well, if you did netstat -nlp as root, it showed what programs listened at what port. |
| 08:10.35 | DerJamster | /etc/.....1.36 GB? Um.. |
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| 08:11.47 | Jenns | hehe, my entire install of sarge is around 1.3gb |
| 08:12.02 | maher | Bogaurd: cluster size wouldn't make that much difference - are you sure you are interpreting samba coorrectly |
| 08:12.06 | deadcat | Jenns: too much |
| 08:12.06 | ghost_ | DerJamster, yeah, recognized all but 2, kdeinit: ksmse and kdeinit: klaun |
| 08:12.11 | Bogaurd | maher: yes |
| 08:12.30 | maher | Bogaurd: what do you type, what is the output, and what does du -s /etc say |
| 08:12.43 | Jenns | its my laptop deadcat, it does a lot of different things :-) |
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| 08:13.02 | Bogaurd | maher: i dont need to type anything... i just check the properties of the /etc share |
| 08:13.03 | Robstaine | Can someboy give me a work? |
| 08:13.19 | deadcat | Jenns: i have sid on my ibook and it doesnt take 1.3gig (=. |
| 08:13.20 | maher | Robstaine: tidy your room |
| 08:13.31 | deadcat | Robstaine: work |
| 08:13.43 | maher | Bogaurd: what are you looking at |
| 08:13.58 | Bogaurd | the size of the directory |
| 08:14.00 | Bogaurd | is 30mb |
| 08:14.02 | Jenns | I've got some heavy weights on here, gnome, openoffice, kernel 2.6.7 source |
| 08:14.05 | Bogaurd | but the 'size on disk' |
| 08:14.07 | dobby__ | when i start xpdf with i big file it closes and i get the error run out of memory. Man i have 2GB Ram!!! Could someone tell me what that i can do? |
| 08:14.09 | Bogaurd | is 1.36gb |
| 08:14.19 | maher | Bogaurd: what does du -s /etc say |
| 08:14.24 | deadcat | Jenns: OO, kernel 2.6.10 source, but no gnome (= |
| 08:14.30 | Bogaurd | 6676 /etc |
| 08:14.41 | DerJamster | There. About 6.5 mb. |
| 08:14.42 | Jenns | gnome is the main offender |
| 08:15.08 | Jenns | it loves eating as many resources as possible on my poor little laptop :-) |
| 08:15.22 | deadcat | Jenns: hehe. try openbox 3 |
| 08:15.35 | maher | Bogaurd: du -s right, samba is wrong |
| 08:15.44 | DerJamster | Bogaurd: I wonder if there any weird symlinks and they count that into the total size the wrong way.. |
| 08:15.47 | Jenns | I've got icewm and I'd use flux if it wasnt for the trackpad being dodgey |
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| 08:16.06 | Bogaurd | maher: then why does df -h think that my bare bones install of woody is close to 3gb? |
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| 08:16.48 | Gumby | has anyone here ever successfully booted from a USB device using a floppy or cdrom? |
| 08:16.56 | Gumby | having a heck of a time trying to do so |
| 08:16.57 | Robstaine | bye people. I'll back... |
| 08:17.10 | maher | Bogaurd: paste df -h in #flood |
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| 08:17.27 | maher | Bogaurd: is this a recent install |
| 08:17.29 | hail04 | hey dudes |
| 08:17.51 | Bogaurd | maher: 1 week or so |
| 08:18.04 | hail04 | how do I refresh my DHCP settings on my client, ive just changed over from a w23 server to ADSL router |
| 08:18.23 | DerJamster | Bogaurd: and du -s /usr shows what? |
| 08:18.37 | maher | hail04: try /etc/init.d/networkign restart |
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| 08:19.45 | hail04 | ta ill give it ago |
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| 08:20.36 | hail04 | thanks maher it worked find |
| 08:20.38 | hail04 | fine* |
| 08:20.39 | hail04 | :) |
| 08:20.47 | maher | hail04: have fun... |
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| 08:21.55 | ghost_ | DerJamster, yeah, recognized all but 2, kdeinit: ksmse and kdeinit: klaun |
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| 08:22.28 | porkpie | anyone here use dansguardian |
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| 08:23.25 | tulga | hi all |
| 08:23.36 | tulga | how i remove kde component from debian? |
| 08:23.55 | deadcat | tulga: apt-get remove dammit |
| 08:24.28 | tulga | i do apt-get |
| 08:24.42 | tulga | but this want remove kde |
| 08:24.52 | tulga | i want only kde component |
| 08:24.54 | tulga | like edu |
| 08:24.56 | deadcat | tulga: ya. DEPENDENCIES |
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| 08:28.12 | deadcat | tulga: thats what you get if you use kde. shits come with |
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| 08:29.45 | nazarine | Is there an apt-get for dig(domain info groper)? |
| 08:29.56 | dondelelcaro | nazarine: yes, dig is packaged. |
| 08:29.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell nazarine about search |
| 08:30.00 | deadcat | dns-utils i think |
| 08:30.07 | nazarine | i did search |
| 08:30.12 | nazarine | dond |
| 08:30.15 | dondelelcaro | !find bin/dig |
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| 08:30.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (7 shown; 9 total): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/bin/digestify) in non-free/mail/mush ;; (/usr/bin/digikamdcrawclient) in graphics/digikamplugins ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4. |
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| 08:30.31 | dondelelcaro | !find bin/dig$ |
| 08:30.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils. |
| 08:30.53 | MrKrystal | hi. Can anyone reminds me how to run the GUI of nmap ? |
| 08:30.54 | nazarine | we were fighting? |
| 08:31.11 | deadcat | MrKrystal: xnmap |
| 08:31.12 | dondelelcaro | nazarine: see how I searched for that? That's what one of the things the search factoid tells you about... |
| 08:31.20 | deadcat | MrKrystal: nmap-fe i mean |
| 08:31.24 | tulga | how i remove some kde component? |
| 08:31.24 | koha | hi . do u know a good mysql client ? I dont want phpmyadmin or other web like things . Thx |
| 08:31.29 | dondelelcaro | nazarine: searching includes using packages.debian.org, dpkg (the bot) and/or apt-file as appropriate. |
| 08:31.37 | deadcat | tulga: thats what you get if you use kde. shits come with |
| 08:32.11 | koha | cant remember the name of the software i used in the past |
| 08:32.19 | MrKrystal | deadcat: thanks |
| 08:32.27 | deadcat | koha: mysql-navigator - GUI client program for MySQL database server |
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| 08:33.09 | koha | deadcat : thx i will try this one but im sure thereis a better one. If anyone have another idea ? |
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| 08:34.56 | Eraser256 | can some one let me know how do i auto correct dependencis with dpkg? |
| 08:35.15 | dondelelcaro | Eraser256: you do it using apt-get or similar. apt-get -f install; FE. |
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| 08:35.16 | deadcat | Eraser256: use apt-get. apt-get install -f |
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| 08:36.09 | Eraser256 | apt-get install -f <package>? |
| 08:36.22 | deadcat | Eraser256: no. |
| 08:36.48 | benjamindees | Eraser256, you're just trying to install a package and it's dependencies? |
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| 08:37.38 | Eraser256 | benjamindees: gcc 3.3 but to much dependencis |
| 08:37.43 | benjamindees | Eraser256, just apt-get install <package> |
| 08:37.58 | deadcat | just run apt-get install -f for now |
| 08:38.18 | bony | i have a prob with gedit's print privew and printer's in gnome |
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| 08:38.30 | Eraser256 | deadcat: no package reference? just the command? |
| 08:38.50 | McQuaid | hello, i was going to try out gnome, i'm still on a 2.4 kernel. is it correct that gnome 2.8 requires a 2.6 kern because of hal? |
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| 08:39.09 | deadcat | Eraser256: just run wht i typed |
| 08:39.24 | deadcat | McQuaid: no |
| 08:39.35 | Eraser256 | unable to correct dependencies |
| 08:39.44 | syntaxman | hal. isn't that a hardware abstraction layer for NT? |
| 08:39.47 | deadcat | Eraser256: you using woody eh? |
| 08:39.57 | McQuaid | hmm, i thought i read alittle while back that hal required something in the 2.6 kernel |
| 08:40.04 | deadcat | what version of hal? 2000? |
| 08:40.08 | Eraser256 | deadcat: yes |
| 08:40.24 | syntaxman | deadcat: don't divert from my rabbit trail! ;-) |
| 08:40.24 | deadcat | Eraser256: trey search for gcc 3.3 at apt-get.org for backport |
| 08:40.36 | deadcat | (= |
| 08:40.47 | bony | i have a prob with print out's in my local language it an indian language |
| 08:40.54 | Eraser256 | deadcat: i am checking |
| 08:40.57 | bony | telugu |
| 08:41.27 | McQuaid | all i can find right now is on the dropline gnome for slack saying 'please note that HAL requires a 2.6 kernel to function correctly' |
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| 08:43.09 | Eraser256 | deadcat: nothing |
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| 08:43.41 | Eraser256 | deadcat: is there any software i can install which install this automaticaly |
| 08:43.49 | deadcat | Eraser256: http://max.kellermann.name/debian.html |
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| 08:44.49 | deadcat | Eraser256: what the fuck: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=gcc&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 08:47.44 | Eraser256 | deadcat: well i tryed before and it did not work |
| 08:47.46 | Eraser256 | :s |
| 08:47.56 | deadcat | !dont work |
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| 08:48.05 | deadcat | !don't work |
| 08:48.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:48.06 | Eraser256 | now it did |
| 08:48.32 | Eraser256 | i ment when i tryed the search on apt-get.com before |
| 08:48.50 | Snadder | hey.. anyone know why I dont get 100mbit.. up and down.. on my local network..? |
| 08:49.01 | Snadder | hm.. 100mbit up.. and 100mbit down |
| 08:49.06 | DerJamster | sucky NIC? bad switch? |
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| 08:49.35 | Snadder | hm. if I only download.. I get 90-100mbit down |
| 08:49.45 | fusion | 10mbit is pretty normal |
| 08:49.48 | fusion | er |
| 08:49.51 | fusion | 10MB |
| 08:49.55 | fusion | /s |
| 08:50.04 | Snadder | if I upload and download.. I get maybe 80mbit down+80mbit up |
| 08:50.11 | Snadder | hm.. |
| 08:50.18 | DerJamster | Well, 80mbit = 10mb |
| 08:50.22 | DerJamster | Sounds okay to me. |
| 08:50.39 | Snadder | yeah.. but I bet I can get more |
| 08:50.47 | DerJamster | Seriously, unless it's a realyl good switch and expensive NICs, don't expect to regularly get those 100mbit. |
| 08:50.54 | Eraser256 | dpkg: are u writing to me? |
| 08:50.55 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Eraser256 |
| 08:51.03 | Snadder | maybe I should try another switch.. and another networking card |
| 08:51.07 | Snadder | hm. oke |
| 08:51.25 | DerJamster | What kind of NICs do you have installed? |
| 08:51.25 | Snadder | ..but what kinda networking card/switch.. is "GOOD".. |
| 08:51.27 | DerJamster | realtek? |
| 08:51.31 | benjamindees | anybody using kde 3.x on Debian woody? |
| 08:51.38 | Snadder | so I can get 100mbit up and down at the same time |
| 08:52.01 | DerJamster | well, NICs..3com are good. The advantage is that they don't eat much CPU. You wouldn't believe how much CPU just gets used because of a cheap NIC sometimes. |
| 08:52.16 | Snadder | DerJamster, atm.. I have a realtek gbit nic.. and a 3com 100mbit nic |
| 08:52.17 | DerJamster | Switch...I dunno :) I'd try to see if different NICs help, first. |
| 08:52.17 | deadcat | benjamindees: woody is not really ment for GUI |
| 08:52.25 | Snadder | no use for gbit.. but still |
| 08:52.29 | fusion | I got a brand new linksys gigabit one for about US$10 |
| 08:52.30 | DerJamster | I'd use the 3com. |
| 08:52.37 | DerJamster | NIC, I mean |
| 08:52.43 | Snadder | yeah |
| 08:52.55 | DerJamster | Dunno about good switches, though. |
| 08:53.07 | RichiH | asg, Phated: you are on bash (along with me) |
| 08:53.08 | fusion | cisco/linksys are great switches |
| 08:53.11 | Snadder | I have an 16 ports cnet switch |
| 08:53.20 | ^` | i'm running several 3com cards and an intel switch, i hit 90-100mbit |
| 08:53.58 | Snadder | ah.. maybe I should try my linksys broadband router.. and use that one for switch:) |
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| 08:54.46 | Eraser256 | thanx deadcat |
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| 08:55.12 | fusion | I've got mostly linksys / cisco stuff but I have a US Robotics router and that works great too |
| 08:55.20 | Snadder | ^`, on upload and download? |
| 08:55.43 | Snadder | okay. |
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| 08:56.08 | Snadder | I should prolly try to change my switch first:) |
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| 08:56.18 | Polako | helo |
| 08:56.20 | fusion | could jsut be cables too |
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| 08:56.31 | SpamHog | apt-get question: I just completed a "desktop" install, but I just wanted a base system - is there a way to revert to the "base system" package selection in one shot? |
| 08:56.33 | Polako | vpi and cpi of argentina???? |
| 08:57.08 | fusion | disable things like qos on any devices you have |
| 08:57.08 | fusion | Polako: you mean vci/vpi? |
| 08:57.08 | Polako | yes |
| 08:57.08 | deadcat | SpamHog: install debfoster and run it. remove all the shits you dont want |
| 08:57.09 | fusion | couldnt tell you :/ looked on an ISP site? |
| 08:57.30 | Polako | mmm |
| 08:57.36 | Polako | ok |
| 08:57.39 | Snadder | fusion, how can I know if its the cable? |
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| 08:57.56 | Polako | thaks |
| 08:58.04 | Snadder | fusion, well.. how much "wrong".. must it be with the cable.. to make that slow it down? |
| 08:58.33 | SpamHog | deadcat: excellent! killing non-required packages! tnx! |
| 08:58.40 | deadcat | SpamHog: amen |
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| 08:59.01 | fusion | Snadder: has it ever been in a knot / bent / is it old? |
| 08:59.18 | fusion | Polako: I did a google search and I find a few different ones |
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| 08:59.24 | Snadder | I belive so.. maybe 4 years old |
| 08:59.41 | fusion | Snadder: that could be it |
| 08:59.46 | Snadder | i'm running some tests between 3 pc's.. |
| 08:59.59 | Snadder | all of them is maybe 20 meters from eachother |
| 09:00.01 | fusion | a physical LAN cable tester also helps |
| 09:00.07 | fusion | tells you where the damage is |
| 09:00.11 | Snadder | could that affect it? |
| 09:00.13 | Snadder | hm. yeah |
| 09:00.29 | fusion | mine are about 50 m apart from the main router |
| 09:00.35 | fusion | but its cat6 cable |
| 09:00.37 | fusion | so I dunno |
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| 09:02.38 | jamesm_ | Pos |
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| 09:10.19 | Polako | Algun argento que me pueda pasar el vpi/vci?? |
| 09:10.22 | Polako | jejje |
| 09:10.47 | Polako | mmm no parece que nadie |
| 09:10.49 | Polako | jeje |
| 09:10.56 | Sunblade | Interesting. |
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| 09:13.12 | Nwallins | i'm having trouble getting my wireless card (D-Link DWL-122, usb adapter) working under sarge, using linux-wlan-ng |
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| 09:14.01 | Nwallins | i've posted some details over at devshed forums: http://forums.devshed.com/t220200/s.html |
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| 09:22.37 | hail04 | heh |
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| 09:22.51 | DerJamster | heh. Hi root user. |
| 09:23.08 | hail04 | wheres the best place to get debian iso's speed wise? |
| 09:23.23 | DerJamster | Depends on where you live? |
| 09:23.26 | benjamindees | hail04, jigdo |
| 09:23.28 | Melsen | hehe |
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| 09:24.26 | fusion | why might I have packages in apt-get upgrade that are held back? |
| 09:25.14 | DerJamster | Because you use upgrade and not dist-upgrade |
| 09:25.26 | DerJamster | upgrade does not remove/install new packages |
| 09:25.30 | DerJamster | it just updates old ones. |
| 09:25.42 | DerJamster | so if new packages are needed for an update, they are held back. |
| 09:25.44 | fusion | I see so these ones that are not upgraded, are not installed? |
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| 09:25.49 | DerJamster | yes |
| 09:25.51 | fusion | Ahh |
| 09:25.53 | fusion | thanks |
| 09:25.54 | DerJamster | unless you do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:26.05 | fusion | probably best that I do that right? |
| 09:26.20 | DerJamster | Depends. Desktop? Server? |
| 09:26.27 | fusion | both :P |
| 09:26.34 | fusion | a muck around machine |
| 09:26.42 | DerJamster | Go for the dist-upgrade. |
| 09:26.46 | fusion | ok |
| 09:26.51 | fusion | thanks |
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| 09:28.16 | Melsen | How do I change the name of an already added user ? |
| 09:28.30 | Melsen | not the login name, but the registered name. |
| 09:28.31 | fusion | edit /etc/passwd I guess |
| 09:28.33 | bbrazil | usermod |
| 09:28.39 | Melsen | thx |
| 09:28.44 | bbrazil | -c |
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| 09:46.56 | takisd | anyone got experience with helix player - its crashing when i try to open a file |
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| 09:47.54 | toresbe | morning folk |
| 09:47.59 | Delph | mornin' toresbe |
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| 09:48.56 | frank7622 | hello can anyone tell me what "bad vcc" means when inserting a pcmcia card? |
| 09:49.23 | Nwallins | i'm having trouble getting my wireless adapter working under sarge using linux-wlan-ng. i've followed the README.Debian but I still can't ping my router (which works 100%) |
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| 09:49.56 | frank7622 | i'm running a woody 3.0 bf2.4 kernel on an old compaq pres |
| 09:50.20 | toresbe | frank7622: Vcc is a term for input voltage |
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| 09:50.57 | toresbe | frank7622: My guess is that either the Vcc going into the card is off due to some failure in the power supply circuitry |
| 09:51.09 | Melsen | You know what I think is kinda weird... that it seems impossible to find anyone that have set up a fully functional replacement for a 2000 AD. Including everything from the use of Logon Scripts to windows clients, to secure logons through Kerberos... |
| 09:51.13 | toresbe | frank7622: or that the card is 5v while the card is 3.3v or vice versa |
| 09:51.18 | martok | Hey, this is an off topic question but: Can I register my own domain name? |
| 09:51.18 | frank7622 | yea i found that out, but do u have any idea how to configure the pcmcia module to handle |
| 09:51.24 | frank7622 | yea its a 3.3v |
| 09:51.37 | toresbe | martok: sure |
| 09:51.39 | Delph | martok: sure, give me (or a load of other people) money and we can do it for you. |
| 09:51.51 | martok | Heh, I mean without paying. |
| 09:51.55 | Delph | no then. |
| 09:52.06 | martok | Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure. |
| 09:52.12 | frank7622 | what? i lost u |
| 09:52.13 | toresbe | I long for the days way back when it was free |
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| 09:52.19 | Delph | unless you use one of the weird non-standard root servers. |
| 09:52.33 | frank7622 | nvm |
| 09:52.34 | martok | How would I go about doing that? |
| 09:52.45 | toresbe | martok: You don't want to |
| 09:53.09 | Delph | http://www.opennic.unrated.net/ i think. But it wont work for most people. |
| 09:53.36 | yxa | suppose i have a list either from stdout or a text file, how do I use xargs to for eg, rm -rf <filelist> 1 by 1? |
| 09:53.36 | Delph | you could probably get a subdomain off someone for free, but then its not under your control. |
| 09:53.38 | frank7622 | when i do 'cardctl' it tells me its 3.3v but i have no idea what to do with this info |
| 09:53.38 | martok | Thanks for your help. |
| 09:53.38 | takisd | does anyone use helix player |
| 09:53.49 | Delph | (thats a find-a-friend job) |
| 09:53.58 | martok | I guess I'll just pay the 14.95 a year then. |
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| 09:55.19 | Guerin | takisd: no. |
| 09:55.45 | takisd | ...guess not then... thanks |
| 09:55.55 | Guerin | martok: gandi.net |
| 09:57.45 | Rebecca | um, i have an ibm intellistation, and when i run 'shutdown -r now' the systems halts, then it looks like it's about to start up again.. and it doesnt.. anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 09:59.39 | martok | Hey thanks Guerin. |
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| 10:00.21 | Guerin | Rebecca: man shutdown |
| 10:00.30 | Guerin | Rebecca: it's supposed to. |
| 10:00.31 | Emanuelez | how do i reconfigure a package? dpkg --configure packagename? |
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| 10:00.49 | Guerin | Emanuelez: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 10:00.59 | Emanuelez | Guerin: thx! |
| 10:01.27 | Guerin | what doe George Lucas' audio company have to do with anything? |
| 10:03.07 | Delph | Guerin: its supposed to not restart?? |
| 10:03.10 | Rebecca | Guerin: are you sure? even with -r? |
| 10:03.25 | Rebecca | it has the same problem when i run 'reboot' |
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| 10:04.02 | idnar | Guerin: er, shutdown -r is supposed to reboot |
| 10:04.19 | Rebecca | Guerin: man shutdown ;P |
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| 10:04.28 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:04.32 | Guerin | i'm stupid |
| 10:04.52 | Guerin | my brain did s/and it doesnt..// for some reason |
| 10:05.05 | Guerin | someone please lart me |
| 10:05.16 | sussudio | !bunnysmite Guerin |
| 10:05.23 | Rebecca | your forgiven :) |
| 10:05.25 | Guerin | ah, that's better |
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| 10:05.59 | awsomeGurl | hi all from where i can directly wget nano please |
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| 10:06.09 | Rebecca | sooo.. could this be an APM (or whatever the power management stuff is called) problem? |
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| 10:06.57 | Guerin | awsomeGurl: no web browser, no apt? |
| 10:07.29 | awsomeGurl | Guerin i need to wget it to my machine box |
| 10:07.34 | awsomeGurl | its no installed yet |
| 10:07.55 | Guerin | awsomeGurl: packages.debian.org |
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| 10:09.17 | Guerin | awsomeGurl: please don't message me, and don't call me 'sir' either. Makes me feel like someone's dad. |
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| 10:11.54 | RichiH | Guerin: yes, sir |
| 10:12.30 | Rebecca | lol |
| 10:12.32 | Guerin | RichiH: ihym Sir, yes Sir. |
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| 10:12.42 | Guerin | RichiH: don't make me call you a maggot. |
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| 10:23.07 | TheStar_ | I hear that the performance of openldap is quite poor? |
| 10:23.32 | TheStar_ | Additionally, for, say, an image database, there's nothing wrong iwth using it to store actual (large) jpeg's? |
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| 10:24.40 | Delph | TheStar_: you dont really want to store more than metadata in a database. |
| 10:25.19 | TheStar_ | Delph: Ok, but why? |
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| 10:25.48 | Delph | TheStar_: well, i've never had brilliant performance out of storing large lumps of data that never change in a database. |
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| 10:26.19 | TheStar_ | Delph: So it's an implementation issue, then? |
| 10:26.28 | TheStar_ | Delph: Rather than a theoretical difference? |
| 10:28.19 | TheStar_ | Delph: I'm making a program that uses a relational database, (not storing the files in it, though), but I've just discovered ldap. I'm quite intruged by it. |
| 10:28.26 | Guerin | TheStar_: use the database to store data, not binaries. |
| 10:28.39 | TheStar_ | Delph: I can't use it for what I'm using it for, but I'm interested in ldap anyway. |
| 10:28.48 | TheStar_ | Delph: I'm using it to store url's at this point. |
| 10:28.55 | Delph | TheStar_: theoretically, its icky putting binary data in a database. |
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| 10:29.06 | TheStar_ | Delph: But I don't see why you couldn't use it to store binary... Why is it "icky"? |
| 10:29.16 | Delph | TheStar_: pratically, its silly because the database isn't designed for it. |
| 10:29.16 | Guerin | using a rdb to store urls is exactly what they're designed for |
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| 10:29.39 | Delph | TheStar_: because a relational database is there to store *relations* between objects, rather than objects themselves. |
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| 10:30.00 | TheStar_ | Delph: So, it's a theoretical *and* an implementation issue, then. |
| 10:30.04 | Delph | TheStar_: yes. |
| 10:30.10 | Delph | "just don't do it" |
| 10:30.16 | TheStar_ | Heh. |
| 10:30.30 | markybob | i'm thinking about buying some servers from penguincomputing.com for the company i work for. has anyone had any experience with them? good hardware? decent service? |
| 10:30.30 | Delph | what you've got currently, with url's in the database, is perfect. |
| 10:30.33 | TheStar_ | Doing the files outside the database also leads to consistency issues. |
| 10:30.49 | TheStar_ | Unless you ensure that the files aren't modified outside the database. |
| 10:30.57 | Delph | TheStar_: have you considered the difficulty in backing up a 4Gb database? |
| 10:31.05 | TheStar_ | No, actually. |
| 10:31.13 | Delph | as opposed to a 100Mb database and 3.5Gb of files. |
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| 10:31.56 | TheStar_ | Well, there goes my intellectual excercise :) |
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| 10:32.21 | TheStar_ | Can ldap refer to other points within the structure? |
| 10:33.20 | TheStar_ | Scratch that. |
| 10:33.28 | haroldo | i have an ext3 partition which i has some journal problem, and refuses to mount, and when i try to run fsck /dev/hda9 it starts, but cancels with an input/output error |
| 10:34.02 | TheStar_ | haroldo: You have a hardware issue, I'd say. |
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| 10:34.29 | markybob | agreed. |
| 10:34.32 | haroldo | TheStar_, yes i know. how coud i isolate it and fsck the partition anyway ? |
| 10:34.59 | TheStar_ | haroldo: Could try isolating the partition inside a cardboard box... |
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| 10:35.06 | J_P | people, I am using LILO, how i do for direct boot for serial and not for standard output ? |
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| 10:35.25 | markybob | haroldo, not happening. for the kernel to claim i/o error on your hd, you're more or less done |
| 10:35.29 | TheStar_ | haroldo: I hear that dd-rescue or something will ignore IO errors and continue anyway, could try that for recovery. |
| 10:35.46 | petemc | dd_rescue |
| 10:35.47 | haroldo | ok thanks |
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| 10:37.06 | TheStar_ | haroldo: Or, if the data is worth more than a thousand dollars, STOP NOW and get it to a data recovery service. |
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| 10:38.10 | haroldo | TheStar_, right. Now, badblocks seems to be what i need, since the valuable data could be read without problems (the partition is mounted as read only) |
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| 10:38.36 | haroldo | but the bad block precludes fsck from doing its work |
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| 10:40.14 | billh | Is there a pointer to set up the DVD system to play discs under Debian ? |
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| 10:42.27 | sukria | Could someone tell me what is the story about mplayer in Debian? is that a licence issue? |
| 10:42.28 | Slosh | anyone out there and no anything about LTSP? |
| 10:42.34 | Slosh | *know |
| 10:42.41 | fusion | !tell sukria about marillat |
| 10:43.03 | TheStar_ | haroldo: afaik, the HDD itself will insulate you from bad blocks, by the time you start *seeing* them, it means that the HDD has too many for it's internal measures, and it's time for a new HDD, because it will deteriate faster. |
| 10:43.06 | sukria | If someone want to have mplayer under sid, what has he to do? (a friend of mine wants) |
| 10:43.23 | fusion | check your message from dpkg, sukria |
| 10:43.25 | TheStar_ | sukria: What's your native language? |
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| 10:43.44 | sukria | TheLaw: French |
| 10:43.50 | sukria | TheStar_: French |
| 10:43.55 | sukria | (sorru TheLaw :) |
| 10:44.07 | sukria | fusion: thanks |
| 10:44.15 | fusion | np |
| 10:44.24 | TheStar_ | sukria: I tried learning French, but once year 7 finished, good by french :( |
| 10:45.02 | haroldo | TheStar_, yes i agree. I have the substitute disk to be installed soon there (another neighbpurhood). The disk seldom has been raising hardware errors, so i expected more. I only want now to let it work until I change it. |
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| 10:45.27 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 10:45.37 | TheStar_ | haroldo: Just make sure you back it up. |
| 10:46.05 | haroldo | TheStar_, yes, i did a backup of the more important files |
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| 10:46.44 | TheStar_ | haroldo: I'd do a full backup then. |
| 10:47.05 | [Granger] | sigh |
| 10:47.17 | haroldo | TheStar_, yeah. Anyway I'm running fsck -c |
| 10:47.38 | Koffa | safest bet? |
| 10:47.40 | TheStar_ | haroldo: I'm having two servers at the moment that appear to have fs corruption. |
| 10:48.03 | [Granger] | Koffa: it' selected 686 the previous 10 times |
| 10:48.06 | TheStar_ | haroldo: I'm suspecting bad blocks, but I can't take the server down to run the fsck :( |
| 10:48.08 | haroldo | TheStar_, we software people have the worst of virii: hardware |
| 10:48.11 | [Granger] | don't know why it suddenly changed its mind |
| 10:48.33 | TheStar_ | haroldo: Well, I'd take it in stride, but *two* servers :( |
| 10:49.19 | TheStar_ | haroldo: And one of them - two weeks after doing a fresh install! |
| 10:49.59 | haroldo | TheStar_, let the gods be with you |
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| 10:50.40 | cmot | Yo all! Anybody knows about dcc <-> spamassassin interaction here? It seems dcc is being used (I see DCC_CHECK hits in SA), but the dccifd reports 0 messages - does SA not use dccifd? |
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| 10:52.06 | nornagon | is there any way to make ncftp do keepalive? (Like, NOOP, etc.) |
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| 10:54.09 | nornagon | ...woah, two minutes and _no_ messages... insane. |
| 10:54.09 | gothtec | TheStar_: if you can't possibly take your server down, you need hotswappable discs in a raid array |
| 10:54.12 | nornagon | lol |
| 10:54.30 | nornagon | Nice timing :) |
| 10:54.41 | gothtec | i tend to do that :) |
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| 10:55.12 | nornagon | on my screen, the two messages were within a second of each other :) |
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| 10:55.35 | gothtec | i don't have seconds in my timestamps |
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| 10:56.53 | nornagon | I don't think the protocol even allows for that. |
| 10:56.59 | nornagon | But that's what Haver does. |
| 10:57.13 | nornagon | (Haver is a chat system... see haverdev.org) |
| 10:57.37 | gothtec | I think the message is echoed back... I was working on a bot a few days ago... in java :/ |
| 10:57.55 | nornagon | Java? Ew. |
| 10:58.03 | nornagon | I'd look at the RFC if I could be bothered... <g>? |
| 10:58.07 | nornagon | Minus the ?. |
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| 10:58.30 | gothtec | hm.. |
| 10:58.32 | gothtec | no echo :/ |
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| 10:59.08 | Delph | gothtec: the rfc is the way forward: you don't get your own messages back. |
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| 11:00.01 | gothtec | Delph: well I had the console window of my irc bot available. i spent quite a lot of time formatting the replies from the server so they look nice in the bots console. i found it easier to check there |
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| 11:00.46 | Di42lo | someone know how can i open anoter ftp in the left side of the windows with IglooFTP-PRO ? |
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| 11:01.19 | orjan | When I boot I get error msg about: shpchp and pciehp. Are these neaded or shall I put them in blacklist? |
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| 11:01.28 | Shadur | Di42lo: Go fxp your warez elsewhere, kiddie. |
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| 11:02.08 | gothtec | Di42lo: I don't know that program, but I'm guessing the left side is for local browsing only. Use fxp or download the file and then upload it to somewhere else. |
| 11:02.31 | Di42lo | k thx |
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| 11:03.42 | gothtec | Shadur: That seems to be the general attitude in here... In my experience, many legal things are transferred with ftp. A lot of ISP's use it for homepages, newbies transfer important files over it and anonymous ftp's are often used by companies to serve their demonstration or shareware software. |
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| 11:05.05 | Delph | gothtec: but none of the above require point-to-point transfer from one FTP to another. |
| 11:05.43 | gothtec | Delph: well.. a scheduled synchronisation between mirrors maybe... |
| 11:06.02 | Delph | gothtec: which you generally do by getting one of the mirrors to sync to another. |
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| 11:06.08 | Delph | and not through a ftp client. |
| 11:06.12 | gothtec | Delph: I hope you realize I am just arguing for the hell of it |
| 11:06.20 | Delph | gothtec: me too, i'm waiting for something at work. |
| 11:06.22 | Shadur | gothtec: ftp, sure. fxp, not really. |
| 11:06.43 | gothtec | hm.. |
| 11:06.48 | haroldo | TheStar_, i mounted it rw finally. thanks |
| 11:06.50 | haroldo | bye |
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| 11:07.13 | gothtec | alright, I can't think of a good use for fxp |
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| 11:14.37 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 11:14.41 | diego_ | mandriles debianeros |
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| 11:14.43 | diego_ | q pasa |
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| 11:14.49 | diego_ | COMEDME EL RABO ZOKETES |
| 11:14.59 | cyrix^ | is there any good apps that can draw an nasi schneiderman diagram ? |
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| 11:15.12 | ciryon | Hi, I want to run apt-get without super user privileges. Is that possible? |
| 11:15.15 | diego_ | cyrix^ xupame el prepucio amigo |
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| 11:15.25 | gypsymauro | there is a way to "simulate" a disk break on a raid device? I've raid 1 with mdadm on 2 disks I want to see if my system it's configured well and sends a mail to root |
| 11:15.40 | diego_ | gypsymauro me cago en tus muertos |
| 11:15.40 | diego_ | jaja |
| 11:15.51 | SlayerXP | ciryon: sudo |
| 11:16.02 | nenubat | ola ombre |
| 11:16.02 | diego_ | SlayerXP WINDOWZER ? |
| 11:16.10 | fatal__ | ciryon: you can use sudo to give certain users more privilegies for certain commands. |
| 11:16.26 | SlayerXP | diego_: MORONER ? |
| 11:16.28 | cyrix^ | dont understand :) |
| 11:16.28 | ciryon | fatal__ i know, but that's no good here since I'm not root :/ |
| 11:16.36 | diego_ | SlayerXP JEJEJEJEJEJJE |
| 11:16.44 | diego_ | maldito PIWIKI |
| 11:16.45 | SlayerXP | ciryon: then you can't use apt-get |
| 11:16.49 | ciryon | fatal__ I have write access to my home dir, that's it |
| 11:17.00 | SlayerXP | hth. hand. NEXT! |
| 11:17.09 | diego_ | X'DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 11:17.10 | diego_ | X'DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
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| 11:17.26 | diego_ | jejejjjje |
| 11:17.28 | diego_ | X'DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 11:17.37 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
| 11:17.38 | Piru | retard |
| 11:17.38 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
| 11:17.39 | nenubat | cool |
| 11:17.40 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
| 11:17.40 | ciryon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.42 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
| 11:17.48 | diego_ | SI NO AI OPERs |
| 11:17.50 | diego_ | MANDRILAZO |
| 11:17.55 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
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| 11:18.04 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
| 11:18.07 | bbrazil | !ops: diego_ flooding |
| 11:18.08 | gypsymauro | can someone ban this idiot? |
| 11:18.08 | diego_ | x'''''''''''''''''''D |
| 11:18.12 | diego_ | JEJEJEJEJEJE |
| 11:18.14 | gothtec | wtf |
| 11:18.14 | diego_ | SURMANO |
| 11:18.18 | diego_ | !ops bbrazil lamming |
| 11:18.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: bbrazil lamming |
| 11:18.24 | diego_ | JJEJEJAJEJJAJEJJEJAJEJJEJEJEJEJAJAJEJEJJEJAJAJJEJEJA |
| 11:18.26 | Piru | diego, stop that you fucking retard |
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| 11:18.31 | bbrazil | that'll do it |
| 11:18.45 | diego_ | Piru 8================================================D~~~ |
| 11:18.48 | gothtec | ... |
| 11:18.50 | RichiH | bbrazil: done, already :) |
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| 11:19.09 | diego_ | jeajeajeajjejejjejajejajejajjejejejajjejajejajjejejea |
| 11:19.16 | RichiH | oh, fuck that |
| 11:19.18 | diego_ | xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
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| 11:19.22 | diego_ | EJJEjeJjejJEjejEJejEj |
| 11:19.23 | cyrix^ | diego_, full of intelligence ! |
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| 11:19.25 | Sunblade | gawd |
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| 11:21.32 | gilles | what package do i need to make my printer work ? |
| 11:21.49 | gilles | (i use gnome) |
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| 11:21.58 | orjan | When I boot I get error about shpchp and pciehp. Are they needed or can I put them in blacklist? |
| 11:22.01 | SlayerCE | bah |
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| 11:23.22 | Piru | heh, that diego is a Red Hat Linux user. figures :) [80/tcp open http Apache httpd 2.0.40 ((Red Hat Linux)) ] |
| 11:23.57 | Delph | gilles: cups sounds likely to be helping you along |
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| 11:24.11 | Piru | he also runs webmin open to internet |
| 11:24.17 | Piru | ouch :) |
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| 11:26.36 | Stian^_- | is it safe to remove the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 11:26.48 | sean_micken | i want to install this pkg on a 'testing' system http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/mplayerplug-in -- is that totally unnatural to do? |
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| 11:26.51 | SlayerCE | Stian^_-: apt-get autoclean |
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| 11:26.59 | Stian^_- | SlayerCE, thanks |
| 11:28.11 | Jonc | hi |
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| 11:28.36 | Jonc | is anyone who speak in polish? |
| 11:29.00 | sussudio | yes, i believe people in poland do. |
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| 11:29.01 | Stian^_- | locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old... what can I do about it? |
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| 11:29.10 | TheStar_ | Anyone know how to send a page up to screen, so that I can "page up" in irssi? |
| 11:29.11 | sean_micken | Stian^_-: run updatedb |
| 11:29.21 | TheStar_ | Given that I do not have a page up key... |
| 11:29.30 | Stian^_- | sean_micken, okey thanks.. :) |
| 11:29.47 | RichiH | TheStar_: look into the irssi config, the command you need to bind to is beside pugp |
| 11:29.51 | RichiH | erm, pgup |
| 11:30.11 | RichiH | !pl |
| 11:30.11 | dpkg | well, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 11:30.15 | RichiH | narf |
| 11:30.30 | TheStar_ | gothtec: Read the rfc's for irc. They are actually quite simple. |
| 11:30.35 | RichiH | Jonc: #debian.pl |
| 11:30.40 | sussudio | !borsuk Jonc |
| 11:30.41 | dpkg | Jonc: Borsuk Borsuk Borsuk Borsuk Borsuk Rosnac Rosnac Borsuk Borsuk Borsuk Borsuk Waaaaaaz Waaaaaaz! |
| 11:30.56 | TheStar_ | RichiH: I was hoping for something more generic :( |
| 11:30.58 | sussudio | !polish |
| 11:30.59 | dpkg | somebody said polish was spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 11:31.33 | Jonc | thx :) My english is not goot to talk about computers :) |
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| 11:32.20 | TheStar_ | gothtec: What would be more useful is a "translation" plugin. |
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| 11:32.51 | gothtec | TheStar_: what are you on about? |
| 11:33.10 | muppo | if i want to ope port 9176 UDP in iptables is this the line for it then? iptables -A INPUT -p udp --syn --destination-port 9176 -j ACCEPT or what is wrong |
| 11:33.15 | muppo | open* |
| 11:33.20 | Jonc | bay |
| 11:33.23 | Jonc | bye |
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| 11:33.28 | TheStar_ | gothtec: Well, see Jonc here, he prefers to speak in Polish. What if you could get the english channel to be automatically translated into polish - and vice versa? |
| 11:33.55 | sussudio | TheStar_: that would suck ass |
| 11:34.02 | gothtec | TheStar_: just make a plugin that runs every single line through an online translation service |
| 11:34.14 | TheStar_ | You could do that... |
| 11:34.22 | gothtec | you'd use all your bandwidth, and annoy them enough to ban your ip from the service.. but go ahead |
| 11:34.27 | TheStar_ | sussudio: I have to get to bed, but I beg to differ. |
| 11:34.38 | TheStar_ | sussudio: The alternative is zero understanding. |
| 11:34.44 | sussudio | TheStar_: i bet you like to hammer websites with reloads too. |
| 11:34.53 | sussudio | talk about a waste of resources. |
| 11:34.56 | gothtec | I have no idea why people can't just accept that english is going to be the common earth language anyway. You don't see me speaking norwegian, do you? |
| 11:35.00 | TheStar_ | sussudio: Who said that you'd have to use an online website. |
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| 11:35.18 | sussudio | graevling. |
| 11:35.33 | TheStar_ | Anyway, I'm off. |
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| 11:36.30 | Delph | TheStar_: despite most people's thoughts on the matter, a HTTP interface is not the most efficient way.l |
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| 11:37.30 | KillerBunny | There is a tool called convert which converts images, which packages does it lay in ?= |
| 11:39.00 | sussudio | KillerBunny: imagemagick |
| 11:39.09 | muppo | if i want to ope port 9176 UDP in iptables is this the line for it then? iptables -A INPUT -p udp --syn --destination-port 9176 -j ACCEPT or what is wrong? |
| 11:39.12 | KillerBunny | thanks. |
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| 11:42.32 | vulture | muppo: that --syn looks out of place.. |
| 11:42.33 | marinos | muppo: ${iptables} -A udp_packets -p UDP -s ${source} --destination-port ${port} -j ACCEPT |
| 11:42.38 | vulture | --syn is for TCP syn packets.. |
| 11:42.48 | orjan | On a new installed testing box the network goes down. When I do a dhclient I get as first msg: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776. Another box on the same network has no problem. What should I check? |
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| 11:43.58 | marinos | muppo: so you could set then source=0/0 ; port=9176 |
| 11:44.30 | fusion | is port 5190 for tftp? |
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| 11:45.01 | Administrator__ | where would the safest and wisest place be to install limewire |
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| 11:45.28 | RichiH | Administrator__: on a linux box, then replace limewire with bittorrent |
| 11:45.43 | Administrator__ | RichiH, its on a linux box |
| 11:45.50 | marinos | limewire == gnutella ?! |
| 11:45.52 | Administrator__ | RichiH, /root or /home |
| 11:46.07 | takisd | hi... trying to use alsa sound but it keeps going back t another one (esd??) on reboot. have to run alsaconf everytime now... any ideas |
| 11:46.39 | Delph | Administrator__: the safest and wisest place would not be to installing it. |
| 11:47.10 | directhex|work | takisd, tell gnome not to use esd. |
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| 11:47.15 | Administrator__ | Delph, why |
| 11:47.23 | marinos | Administrator__: better is to make a user limewire and install it somewhere there |
| 11:47.29 | takisd | directhex: how can i do that |
| 11:47.44 | fusion | anyone familiar with how to drop nmap requests using iptables? |
| 11:47.45 | Administrator__ | whats the link folder? |
| 11:47.49 | directhex|work | takisd, run gnome-control-center, click sound, untick the esd box |
| 11:47.50 | Delph | Administrator__: the best way is to have your box comprimizable with a remote root exploit, root your own box, then install it. |
| 11:47.53 | marinos | Administrator__: /home/limewire or something ... never never never run softwre as root |
| 11:48.02 | takisd | directhex: ok.. hang on |
| 11:48.06 | Administrator__ | marinos, what is the link folder? |
| 11:48.11 | Administrator__ | marinos, its set to root |
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| 11:48.23 | SlayerCE | giggles |
| 11:48.53 | marinos | Administrator__: link folder ?? |
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| 11:49.06 | takisd | directhex: no sound esd option just enable for events and start sound server |
| 11:49.08 | Administrator__ | marinos, whats what it has |
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| 11:49.32 | marinos | Administrator__: what has what ? |
| 11:49.42 | directhex|work | takatumi, esd is gnome's sound server... |
| 11:49.44 | Administrator__ | marinos, limewiere |
| 11:49.47 | takisd | directhex: should i remove esound? |
| 11:49.53 | takisd | oh |
| 11:49.55 | takisd | ok |
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| 11:50.38 | Isass2762029 | i try add user it give me this message |
| 11:50.50 | Isass2762029 | -bash-2.05b# adduser awsome |
| 11:50.50 | Isass2762029 | Use option ``-silent'' if you don't want to see all warnings and questions. |
| 11:50.50 | Isass2762029 | Check /etc/shells |
| 11:50.50 | Isass2762029 | Check /etc/master.passwd |
| 11:50.50 | Isass2762029 | Check /etc/group |
| 11:50.50 | Isass2762029 | Usernames must match regular expression: [test]: |
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| 11:50.59 | muppo | äh fuck that udp port |
| 11:51.03 | muppo | thx anyway |
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| 11:51.09 | marinos | Administrator__: 1. make a user limewire with home directory /home/limewire 2. install limewire as root in /home/limewire 3. su - limewire and run limewire |
| 11:51.30 | Administrator__ | marinos, done :) |
| 11:52.14 | marinos | ok |
| 11:52.26 | marinos | meine fresse ... |
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| 11:54.44 | RichiH | hmm, should i file a bug against kernel module packages which do not run depmod -a automagically? |
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| 11:55.53 | tedb | hi |
| 11:56.33 | directhex|work | RichiH, probably |
| 11:56.44 | viyyer | I've been having strange problems after my recent apt-get upgrade of my sarge system. X blinks for sometime and.. then I get an error saying X has restarted too many time. it seems X is unable to detect the PS/2 mouse.. I am using 2.4.26 kernel.. |
| 11:57.21 | directhex|work | viyyer, which mouse device did you configure it to use? |
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| 11:57.53 | tedb | I am trying to set up postfix with a smarthost, but it seems to ignore my local aliases file... Anybody got experience with this? |
| 11:58.18 | kombi | can you set a root folder for an ftp user? (other than /home/user) |
| 11:58.19 | viyyer | well.. it's configured for PS/2 /dev/psaux ... X on quitting say.. unable to detect mouse device /dev/psaux |
| 11:58.41 | kombi | I mean, where.. |
| 11:58.56 | Shadur | tedb: You need to set the relayhost value in main.cf |
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| 11:59.08 | we2by_ | kombi, how do u authenticate users? |
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| 11:59.21 | Shadur | postconf -e relayhost=whatever.com should do the trick |
| 11:59.21 | tedb | Shadur: i did |
| 11:59.38 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 11:59.46 | kombi | we2by: PAM I suppose |
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| 12:00.38 | tedb | Shadur: and it _does_ sent the mail to the relayhost. but, i want, for example that all mail sent to root on the client machine will be sent to a specific user. so i add root: theuser to the aliases file on the client, but that doesnot work |
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| 12:01.52 | kombi | exit |
| 12:01.59 | kombi | sorry.. |
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| 12:03.01 | wombachi | how do I create php-mode.elc if I modified debian php-mode.el (emacs)? |
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| 12:03.27 | wombachi | and what's better wey to prevent updates from erasing it later? |
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| 12:03.39 | wombachi | s/wey/way/ |
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| 12:04.08 | bobesponja | when I do apt-get source where in what rep does he source go? |
| 12:04.28 | wombachi | bobesponja in current dir, IIRC |
| 12:04.30 | _rene_ | it goes into . |
| 12:04.36 | bobesponja | k |
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| 12:06.02 | tedb | Shadur: it sends everything to the relay host directly, without using the aliases file first |
| 12:06.17 | RichiH | directhex|work: yah, i think i'll do |
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| 12:11.48 | takisd | directhex: thanks... sound issue fixed |
| 12:13.12 | quitte | nfs stopped working yesterday. now for some reason i'm getting mount: rpc: program not registered |
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| 12:14.25 | Mage\work | anyone tried the php5 package from dotdeb.org ? |
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| 12:19.20 | quitte | when starting nfs-user-server i get cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send; errno = invalid argument |
| 12:19.24 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 12:19.25 | quitte | what does that mean? |
| 12:19.35 | Coke | I'm trying to install postgresql in Sarge (7.4.6-6) and "Setting up postgresql" just hangs waiting for something. How can I solve this? |
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| 12:19.41 | tedb | i will rephrase my question: how do i make postfix send mail sent to root on the local machine to a specific user on the mail server? |
| 12:19.55 | Coke | oh, wait. maybe it just needs to take 6 minutes to install the package. |
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| 12:20.18 | jenipapo | tedb: virtual, I think |
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| 12:21.53 | Rebecca | how do i enable acpi? |
| 12:22.49 | joelio | On your BIOS? |
| 12:22.49 | joelio | also in your kernel |
| 12:22.49 | Rebecca | how in my kernel? |
| 12:22.49 | Rebecca | do i need to recompile it? |
| 12:22.49 | jenipapo | tedb: No, its in aliases: man aliases |
| 12:22.55 | joelio | ahh, you learn something new... |
| 12:23.02 | joelio | it is on your BIOS too though |
| 12:23.17 | Rebecca | ok, ill check bios first then |
| 12:23.31 | Faithful | Is it 9am in USA yet? |
| 12:23.38 | Phated | Depends. |
| 12:23.45 | tedb | jenipapo: i did edit the aliases, but no effect... |
| 12:24.15 | petemc | Faithful: no, its around 7:30 on the east coast |
| 12:24.24 | petemc | i think |
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| 12:24.25 | jenipapo | tedb: something like root taratata@titi.com ? |
| 12:24.38 | Faithful | petemc: thanks |
| 12:24.50 | cmug | taratara@tiritiri.com sound better |
| 12:25.01 | tedb | jenipapo: something like "root: tedb" |
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| 12:25.17 | force | im getting frustrated, i installed the pptpd server and it requires ppp but i already have a patched ppp from source installed, how can i force it to remove ppp but not pptpd |
| 12:25.19 | jenipapo | tedb: did you execute newaliases AFTER editing? |
| 12:25.24 | tedb | but it still sends it to root on the relay host |
| 12:25.26 | tedb | sure |
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| 12:30.48 | xelam | is it possible to run the woody installer from an already-booted-by-network system, logged in via ssh? |
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| 12:32.58 | Capkirk | when installing exim4 on sarge i get strange dpkg errors |
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| 12:33.10 | Capkirk | anyone have troubles installing exim4 on sarge? |
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| 12:33.32 | valdyn_ | !tell capkirk about ask |
| 12:33.45 | skyisblue | i had similar error then i purged exim4 and cron |
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| 12:34.02 | valdyn_ | !vagueness |
| 12:34.02 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
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| 12:34.15 | ZyniX | lol |
| 12:34.33 | sussudio | !seen buttocks |
| 12:34.34 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'buttocks', sussudio |
| 12:35.20 | xelam | Capkirk: nope, works fine for me |
| 12:35.22 | kbrooks | sussudio: :) |
| 12:35.55 | Capkirk | xelam: strange? |
| 12:36.03 | xelam | strange? |
| 12:36.07 | valdyn_ | xelam: maybe debtakeover is what you need ( google knows has decent info about it ) |
| 12:36.28 | skyisblue | in woody, p166Mhz and 32MB ram can run X11? |
| 12:36.30 | Rebecca | okay, ive enabled acpi in the bios and it still doesnt reboot.. where do i go from here? |
| 12:36.46 | xelam | valdyn_: cool thanks. |
| 12:36.54 | petemc | skyisblue: yeah, it wouldnt be that fast tho, best to use a lightweight window manager, maybe xfce4 |
| 12:37.27 | skyisblue | petemc: woody can run X11 in my machine? |
| 12:37.32 | Capkirk | xelam: i dont remember doing anything unusual on my sarge system |
| 12:37.38 | petemc | skyisblue: why wouldnt it? |
| 12:37.51 | petemc | Capkirk: whats the error? |
| 12:38.08 | valdyn_ | skyisblue: easily, its more a question of "does app xy run on X with 32MB ram" |
| 12:38.47 | skyisblue | petemc: i tried X11 on sarge, it frozen. |
| 12:38.57 | Rebecca | do i need to recompile my kernel to enable acpi support? |
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| 12:39.19 | petemc | skyisblue: and there was no way that was due to a configuration error on your part? |
| 12:39.31 | skyisblue | yes |
| 12:39.37 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: not if you use a debian kernel |
| 12:39.39 | skyisblue | no errors at all |
| 12:39.49 | takatumi | Rebecca: on some machines |
| 12:40.06 | skyisblue | petemc: but it frozen, memory hog |
| 12:40.17 | Rebecca | valdyn_: im using debian sarge |
| 12:40.46 | valdyn_ | skyisblue: thats not X which is a hog, its your windowmanager / desktop environment |
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| 12:43.52 | Rebecca | how do i enable software acpi support in debian? |
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| 12:44.22 | ZyniX | does anyone know if there is a linux app to relay a stream from the net to the local network ? like music streams and such.... |
| 12:44.42 | petemc | ZyniX: icecast for music, ffmpeg for video |
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| 12:44.53 | ZyniX | petemc: thanx |
| 12:45.22 | petemc | ZyniX: dynebolic is a good live cd with a lot fo that stuff configured |
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| 12:46.15 | skyisblue | Rebecca: my case, i doing weekly kernel compile, acpi part is just default(i.e. marked), even i didn't touch it |
| 12:46.19 | leikh | i have several domains on one box, and i'm using exim4. it doesn't look very nice when using foo.foobar.com, somewhere in the header my main domain appears (e.g foobar.foo.com). how can i fix this? |
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| 12:46.28 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 12:46.52 | Blitx | Hey folks. I've got an older computer that works fine off of a live cd debian derivitive, but after installing to hard drive x11 doesn't start and I've only got a console. kdm and xdm refuse to load. |
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| 12:47.23 | petemc | leikh: what do you mean "somewhere in the header" , where? |
| 12:47.44 | Rebecca | valdyn_: ACPI disabled because your bios is from 98 and too old |
| 12:47.45 | Rebecca | lol |
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| 12:47.59 | spo0nman | perl -e ' `touch $$.out`;' how do i do this in bash? |
| 12:48.02 | Rebecca | You can enable it with acpi=force |
| 12:48.26 | leikh | petemc: let's say the user fills out a mail-form under www.foobar.com, the the receipt he gets contains www-data@foobar.foo.com as sender... |
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| 12:48.44 | spo0nman | in other words i want to create a Processid.out file. |
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| 12:48.55 | valdyn_ | skyisblue: theres options that use by far less ram than x-chat / gnome 1.2 |
| 12:49.03 | petemc | leikh: you can either set up /etc/hosts correctly, or use primary_hostname in the exim configuration |
| 12:49.04 | Rebecca | acpi=force ... should use grup to pass that option to the kernel on boot? |
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| 12:49.10 | skyisblue | valdyn_: which? |
| 12:49.18 | ZyniX | Rebecca: ya... |
| 12:49.22 | Rebecca | ok :) |
| 12:49.34 | Rebecca | grub even :) |
| 12:49.49 | valdyn_ | skyisblue: about every option that exists in woody except kde, fvwm / irssi for example |
| 12:49.54 | leikh | petemc: but if i do that, then it will be wrong sender for the other domain. |
| 12:49.55 | ZyniX | Rebecca: but I'm not sure i would do that... |
| 12:50.01 | Selecter | Hi all! What's wrong with that bug #284229? Pls have a look somebody. "XFCE4: Fonts are smaller if X was started by 'startx'" |
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| 12:50.25 | petemc | leikh: you can probably set it up in the router that handles the mail for each domain |
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| 12:50.43 | kbrooks | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/17/190204 |
| 12:50.46 | skyisblue | valdyn_: do you use blueflops distro? |
| 12:50.46 | ZyniX | Rebecca: but if you do, yuo just append it to the kernel line... |
| 12:50.46 | Selecter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284229 |
| 12:50.53 | leikh | petemc: ok |
| 12:51.06 | valdyn_ | skyisblue: never heared of it |
| 12:51.07 | Rebecca | ZyniX: ok :) |
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| 12:52.04 | skyisblue | valdyn_: if you used it, you know least use of graphic. links is obsolete.. http://blueflops.sf.net |
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| 12:52.42 | valdyn_ | skyisblue: hah, neat |
| 12:52.51 | xelam | and netscape ISN'T obsolete?! |
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| 12:53.56 | skyisblue | links -g -mode 800x600 ;) |
| 12:54.03 | spo0nman | xelam: if helix were here, she'd be really happy to see this profusive use of the interrobang. |
| 12:54.42 | Rebecca | ZyniX: since i just did it... why are you not sure you would have done it? |
| 12:54.54 | Rebecca | just curious :) |
| 12:54.58 | xelam | spo0nman: riiight |
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| 12:56.55 | ZyniX | Rebecca: I'm kinda of a wuzz when it comes to doing that kinda thing... if it comes and tell me that it disabled acpi, it might be that they have had some sort og problem getting it to work proberly, and it might do unpredictable things... |
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| 12:57.14 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: probably safer to append that option the first time at grubs bootscreen, but since you already edit the menu.lst, if t doesnt work you can just remove it on grub's bootscreen too |
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| 12:58.30 | Rebecca | ZyniX and valdyn_: thanks for your help :) |
| 12:58.38 | Rebecca | ill know if it was a good idea in a min :) |
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| 12:59.24 | valdyn_ | ZyniX: its just a fixed year that triggers disabling acpi, no idea why just 98 |
| 12:59.25 | emanuelez | hello * :) |
| 12:59.41 | emanuelez | why does apt keep some packages to the previous version? |
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| 13:00.10 | valdyn_ | emanuelez: because you used apt-get upgrade and didnt use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:00.23 | xelam | apt-get update? |
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| 13:00.34 | ZyniX | valdyn_ ya, i guess your right... but my policy is "better safe than sorry" *grins* |
| 13:00.39 | emanuelez | valdyn_: even dist-ipgrade does the same |
| 13:00.41 | simmerz | how do I copy a partition table to another drive? |
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| 13:00.54 | arturaz | which package represents C documentation? |
| 13:00.59 | emanuelez | is it possible i need to reboot to use the new kernel? |
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| 13:01.10 | streuner__ | yep |
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| 13:01.34 | valdyn_ | emanuelez: then theres 2 possibilities, you have a fucked up sources,list or a package required for the update if the held one is not in your repository yet |
| 13:01.44 | kzar | I'm sure there was some way to get a lilo prompt if its turned off by quickly hitting somthing, problem is i cant figure out what to hit. |
| 13:01.46 | valdyn_ | s/if/of/ |
| 13:02.11 | emanuelez | valdyn_: so nothing to do with the running kernel right? |
| 13:02.26 | valdyn_ | emanuelez: certainly not |
| 13:02.33 | mooded | kzar... escape ? dunno too..just speculating... |
| 13:02.50 | emanuelez | valdyn_: even if it's a package containing kernel modules? |
| 13:02.51 | kzar | il give another keyboard mash a go brb |
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| 13:03.06 | emanuelez | how do i see the dependancies of a package? |
| 13:03.35 | streuner__ | man apt-cache |
| 13:03.40 | mooded | apt-cache showpkg packagename |
| 13:03.49 | skyisblue | emanuelez: cough*aptitude*cough |
| 13:03.52 | ZyniX | kzar: When you see the Lilo prompt, you can hit the <Tab> key to show the list of possible choices. If Lilo is not configured to be interactive, press and hold the <Alt> or <Shift> key before the "LILO'' message appears. |
| 13:03.58 | valdyn_ | emanuelez: nope |
| 13:03.59 | kzar | mooded: escape was one of the many key i wacked and it worked |
| 13:04.07 | mooded | kzar .. nice :) |
| 13:04.17 | kzar | cool ZyniX thanks |
| 13:04.35 | valdyn_ | emanuelez: running kernel doesnt affect apt-get, all it can do is affect the scripts inside the package if they check for that |
| 13:05.22 | emanuelez | i see |
| 13:05.48 | emanuelez | what about seeing the changelog of the packages? is it possible? |
| 13:06.03 | kzar | oh nads, the old kernel is saying somthing about appending a root= option? |
| 13:06.43 | streuner__ | emanuelez: via pdo or look at /usr/share/doc/pkg/*.changelog |
| 13:06.49 | Rebecca | ZyniX and valdyn_: it didnt work.. same problem.. any other ideas? |
| 13:06.49 | streuner__ | !pdo |
| 13:06.49 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 13:07.31 | emanuelez | ok... got it :) |
| 13:07.36 | emanuelez | thx streuner |
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| 13:07.44 | kzar | do you think its somthing to do with initrd.img being somewhere else or somthing? |
| 13:08.55 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: dont be so vague, if you appended acpi=force correctly, then the error message in dmesg should be different |
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| 13:09.15 | Rebecca | valdyn_: ok |
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| 13:10.30 | skyisblue | postgreSQL 8.0 released http://www.osnews.com and http://www.dailyrotation.com |
| 13:10.43 | Rebecca | valdyn_: um it's different, and very long, should i paste it in #flood? |
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| 13:10.57 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: ok |
| 13:11.11 | toresbe | Anyone here know about Tandberg X terminals? |
| 13:11.29 | ZyniX | kzar: the root= option is for telling the bootloader where your / system is... mine is /dev/hda2... |
| 13:12.08 | anneliXli | when I boot linux and it does an fs check and I press ctrl+c, does it stop the fs check? |
| 13:12.20 | anneliXli | I know this might sound like a strange question.... |
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| 13:12.45 | nostalg1c | anyone here good with BIND ? i need some help :) |
| 13:12.45 | toresbe | anneliXli: Yes, it might, but then the FS will be RO |
| 13:12.56 | toresbe | mounted RO* |
| 13:13.22 | simmerz | how do i copy a partition table to another drive? |
| 13:13.27 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: so whats the problem, this wasnt an error message |
| 13:13.47 | anneliXli | toresbe, okay...this situation is th efollowing: I have to rebuild a raid. so I've set the stuff in the controller to rebuild, afterwards it booted my linux and unfortunately it started fsck whilerebuilding in the background |
| 13:13.54 | streuner__ | simmerz: via 'dd', but its more luck if you *catch* the same HD... |
| 13:13.56 | anneliXli | so I hit ctrl+c to stop fsck |
| 13:14.09 | streuner__ | simmerz: why do you think you need to do this? |
| 13:14.10 | kzar | ZyniX i tried /dev/hda1 (which is where it is) and it still didnt work. So i tried booting from the debian cd and doing rescue to boot, and that cant mount the hard drive and dies too?! |
| 13:14.42 | anneliXli | but now I'm not sure if it really stoped...at least the line with the %-counting does not appaer and afaik it should if fsck is still running, correct? |
| 13:14.55 | Rebecca | the problem is that it still doesnt reboot.. there is no error message to post |
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| 13:14.57 | toresbe | anneliXli: killall -9 fsck? |
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| 13:15.08 | ZyniX | kzar: did you get any kinda error message ? |
| 13:15.10 | anneliXli | toresbe, I don't have access to any terminal |
| 13:15.15 | simmerz | streuner__: I have to replace a drive in my raid array but rather than using LVM when I installed, I set up multiple partitions and raided them. Now I need to copy the partition table to the new drive so that the raid tools can copy everything over. I was aware that there was a way to do it without dd, but I can't remember it. |
| 13:15.40 | kzar | ZyniX yea, il go turn it on again to tel you, |
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| 13:16.15 | anneliXli | anneliXli, I think the sys itself has a kernel panic, that was also the behaviour before because of some wrong sectors on one of the disks where I'm rebuilding from (one disk died, the other is hurt) |
| 13:16.18 | anneliXli | eh |
| 13:16.25 | anneliXli | talking to myself...I meant toresbe |
| 13:16.35 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: what has reboot to do with acpi? |
| 13:16.35 | gothtec | I just got a spam mail from a site where you can see hidden webcams in girls appartments, that they don't know are there, and chat with them at the same time! BRILLIANT! |
| 13:16.59 | xelam | great. |
| 13:17.11 | Phated | Heh. |
| 13:17.17 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: poweroff can be doen by acpi, reboot has nothing to do with it |
| 13:17.31 | gothtec | There seems to be a hole in that idea... |
| 13:17.33 | Rebecca | okay.. |
| 13:17.44 | Phated | gothtec: Maybe it's like Candid Camera. |
| 13:18.06 | Phated | gothtec: Or like... They're just chatting, but they don't know that the person they're chatting to is watching them. |
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| 13:19.03 | kzar | ZyniX here we go.. "vfs: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 13:19.04 | gothtec | Phated: and none of the chatters ever told them? |
| 13:19.06 | Rebecca | valdyn_: do you know what have something to do with it? |
| 13:19.35 | Phated | gothtec: <shrugs> |
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| 13:20.12 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: every pc can softreboot, so you dont need drivers for this. i have no idea why it doesnt work for you though |
| 13:20.25 | Rebecca | valdyn_: okay :) |
| 13:20.33 | kzar | I hope i can get it to boot to install this new kernel image because reinstalling it again will waste alot of time |
| 13:20.40 | Rebecca | im going to try and update the bios.. |
| 13:20.55 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: shutdown -r now does not reboot your system? |
| 13:21.09 | Rebecca | valdyn_: correct :) |
| 13:21.39 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: i would guess it hangs, not that the reboot itself is a problem |
| 13:21.53 | Rebecca | okay |
| 13:22.00 | wrgftp | how do i disable services in debian? |
| 13:22.26 | skyisblue | wrgftp: apt-get install rcconf |
| 13:22.36 | Guerin | wrgftp: man {rcconf,sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,update-rc.d} |
| 13:22.40 | streuner__ | wrgftp: man update-rc.d |
| 13:22.52 | streuner__ | wrgftp: or just remove the app itself |
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| 13:23.15 | wrgftp | thanx |
| 13:23.15 | bughunter_ | hi |
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| 13:23.40 | bughunter_ | How do I tell lilo that /dev/hdc is a SCSI DVD-Writer ? ide-scsi is already builtin in the kernel. |
| 13:23.54 | wolf_of_the_free | somebody can help me with the configuration of the samba 3.0.10 ? |
| 13:24.02 | wolf_of_the_free | my problem this is: |
| 13:24.03 | wolf_of_the_free | [2005/01/19 11:08:53, 2] smbd/sesssetup.c:setup_new_vc_session(608) |
| 13:24.03 | wolf_of_the_free | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.03 | wolf_of_the_free | [2005/01/19 11:09:05, 2] smbd/server.c:exit_server(571) |
| 13:24.03 | wolf_of_the_free | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.03 | wolf_of_the_free | [2005/01/19 11:10:01, 2] smbd/sesssetup.c:setup_new_vc_session(608) |
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| 13:24.31 | streuner__ | bughunter_: ide-scsi is the module that emulate SCSI to IDE... |
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| 13:24.53 | SlayerXP | wolf_of_the_free: this is #debian not #samba |
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| 13:25.02 | wolf_of_the_free | ok... |
| 13:25.05 | wolf_of_the_free | Thanks |
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| 13:25.16 | streuner__ | bughunter_: for SCSI devices you don't need it then |
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| 13:26.02 | Tubez | If i install kernel-souce and debian-patches, then unapply the patches I am not left with "vanilla" kernel sources. Are there any other patchsets i'm missing? |
| 13:26.02 | streuner__ | bughunter_: what happens when you use an official kernel? |
| 13:26.25 | Guerin | Tubez: that's a pretty bass-ackwards way of getting a vanilla kernel source. |
| 13:26.32 | kzar | I am trying to boot from linuxold because i nackered my kernel and I think theres some problem with initrd causing it not to boot, do i have to type anything at the lilo prompt to get initrd to work properly? |
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| 13:26.59 | Tubez | Guerin: i know, but i was soemwhere with debian cds and slow connection. |
| 13:27.01 | ifndefx | Hi I've just attempted installing debian 3.0 r4 and I've done xf86config and it X does not start... it returns back Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 13:27.07 | ifndefx | What is wrong ? |
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| 13:27.21 | Tubez | Guerin: i'm goign to drag in vanilla sources next time i'm over, but wanted to figure out what i did wrogn if anything. |
| 13:27.27 | streuner__ | ifndefx: what videocard do you have? |
| 13:27.37 | ifndefx | geforce 4 |
| 13:27.41 | ifndefx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.47 | directhex|work | ifndefx, geforce 4 doesn't work on woody |
| 13:27.48 | ifndefx | sorry nvidia |
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| 13:28.15 | ifndefx | really ? any particular reason ? |
| 13:28.15 | directhex|work | ifndefx, you need to either: a) install nvidia-glx b) find an xfree86 4.3 backport for woody c) upgrade to sarge |
| 13:28.26 | directhex|work | ifndefx, because woody comes from mid 2002, that's why |
| 13:28.39 | ifndefx | ahh right |
| 13:28.42 | war00 | Question with Debain Sarge, I have installed it on two boxes, one 2-3 months ago and one two days ago, the one I installed 2 months ago "keeps back" all the new KDE stuff, but the new one has KDE 3.3.x something, Why is this? Does it keep back all of the packages until they are all ready to the current version then let me upgrade? or? |
| 13:28.58 | directhex|work | use 'dist-upgrade' not 'upgrade' |
| 13:29.09 | war00 | will dist-upgrade break anything? |
| 13:29.10 | war00 | ah |
| 13:29.11 | ifndefx | btw whats sarge ? |
| 13:29.17 | war00 | Sarge = testing |
| 13:29.19 | directhex|work | ifndefx, debian 3.1 |
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| 13:29.30 | war00 | one last question, is there a sarge mailing list? |
| 13:29.41 | war00 | aslo for security updates etc? i see emails for woody, etc, but not sarge |
| 13:29.44 | Guerin | Tubez: should work in theory. How did you verify the difference? md5s? |
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| 13:29.46 | directhex|work | war00, dist-upgrade pulls in new packages if dependancies have changed, upgrade won't. hence kept back packages, if things have changed |
| 13:29.53 | Guerin | war00: lists.debian.org |
| 13:30.00 | war00 | directhex|work ahh, is dist-upgrade safe? |
| 13:30.01 | war00 | Guerin k, thx. |
| 13:30.01 | directhex|work | war00, there's no sarge security in place yet |
| 13:30.08 | war00 | ok |
| 13:30.11 | Tubez | Guerin: Tried to apply patches that apply cleanly to vanilla ;) |
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| 13:30.50 | Guerin | Tubez: right. I guess it's a case where removing the patch didn't do exactly the reverse of what applying it did. |
| 13:30.57 | oryxalpha | :-X |
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| 13:31.22 | Tubez | Guerin: lol, ok. I didnt know patch was prone to that. I'll just put the sources on my usb drive next tiem around. |
| 13:31.43 | muppo | how do i change permissions so a certain user (muppo) can read/write/edit in a certain directory? |
| 13:31.54 | war00 | Is dist-upgrade safe? or am I looking to have to re-install after I do it , is it going to break a lot of stuff ? =-o |
| 13:32.00 | war00 | muppo, use the same gid of same group, |
| 13:32.06 | war00 | muppo, chmod 770 dir |
| 13:32.10 | war00 | make sure GID is the samw |
| 13:32.11 | Guerin | Tubez: well, there's more than one method to patch a source - more than one patching tool, different options, etc. |
| 13:32.16 | war00 | or, chmod 1777 dir (like /tmp) |
| 13:34.10 | muppo | thx war00 =) |
| 13:34.21 | kzar | is there a good small rescue floppy / cd i can download somewhere ? the debian cd rescue thing wont boot |
| 13:34.27 | war00 | np. |
| 13:34.57 | Tubez | Guerin: i guess. Thanks. |
| 13:35.23 | bughunter_ | streuner__: I use kernel 2.4.28 (unpatched). |
| 13:35.28 | streuner__ | kzar: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 13:36.06 | bughunter_ | streuner__: I have an ATAPI DVD-Writer. I wanna access it as a SCSI device. |
| 13:36.23 | streuner__ | bughunter_: that didn't answer my question, but i take it as 'i use a custom kernel' |
| 13:36.45 | bughunter_ | streuner__: All what I want to know is the line I have to add in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 13:36.58 | streuner__ | bughunter_: well, use ide-scsi then |
| 13:37.03 | valdyn_ | bughunter_: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ knows |
| 13:37.03 | hramrach | bughunter_: just attach ide-scsi |
| 13:37.10 | streuner__ | bughunter_: no - just modprobe the module |
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| 13:37.18 | bughunter_ | I have the ide-scsi driver compiled in. |
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| 13:37.44 | hramrach | then you have to say at boot something like hdc=ide-scsi |
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| 13:38.12 | ifndefx | directhex|work : hey i just checked my video card and its a geforce 2 |
| 13:38.13 | bughunter_ | valdyn_: fgrep -Hrn "ide-scsi" /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ gives me nothing useful. |
| 13:38.16 | streuner__ | append="hd(x)=ide-scsi" |
| 13:38.32 | bughunter_ | streuner__: ah! tnx. |
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| 13:38.37 | directhex|work | ifndefx, subtle difference. |
| 13:38.38 | zimnyx | i'm running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree. what mouse should i pick from a list, if i use USB mouse? |
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| 13:38.46 | directhex|work | !devinputmice |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 13:38.55 | hramrach | But it's better to have ide-scsi and ide-cd so that you can swap them |
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| 13:39.06 | hramrach | as modules |
| 13:39.07 | zimnyx | directhex|work: thanks |
| 13:39.23 | streuner__ | zimnyx: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 13:39.25 | marsjays | anyone know if there's any problems with the 3c509 driver in 2.4.27? i get a bizarre error message about an "infinite loop in interrupt [...] :2001" (3com etherlink III card) |
| 13:39.42 | ifndefx | directhex|work : so its the same thing as geforce 4 problem ? |
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| 13:40.14 | zimnyx | streuner__: tanks. mouse is working by itself:) |
| 13:40.19 | streuner__ | !factinfo devinputmice |
| 13:40.19 | dpkg | devinputmice -- created by directhex|work <jms@dhcpa0.comlab.ox.ac.uk> at Wed Jan 12 09:51:55 2005 (7 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by directhex|work, 1m 33s ago. |
| 13:40.19 | directhex|work | ifndefx, with a geforce 2, unlikely. read your /ver/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 13:40.35 | kzar | streuner__ i had a look at that but they mostly seem to be images for doing installs rather than rescues? |
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| 13:41.26 | streuner__ | kzar: root and boot are the recuse-floppies in debian |
| 13:41.54 | hramrach | kzar: use tomsbtrt, blueflops, knoppix, whatever you want |
| 13:42.20 | kzar | if i use knoppix say can i then dpkg -i the image, because i thought it might not work? |
| 13:42.20 | hramrach | I use knoppix because it has most stuff :) |
| 13:42.26 | streuner__ | kzar: tomsbtrt wouldn't work with some things in debian, e.g. lilo |
| 13:43.08 | revenger | I have a strange situation here .. linux(debian linux kernel 2.6.3) shows up that a TCP connection is established even if it's not established, either the connection is gone on the other side or something else but it's definitely not there anymore .. any idea what's going on? |
| 13:43.13 | jenipapo | tedb: still there? |
| 13:43.15 | kzar | (i want to install my newly compiles kernel) |
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| 13:43.39 | Tubez | revenger: there's a timeout perdiod if it's not closed properly. |
| 13:44.00 | Tubez | revenger: if the peer sends an RST or a FIN you'll see it vanishes properly. |
| 13:44.21 | directhex|work | revenger, use a secure kernel, 2.6.3 is an accident waiting to happen |
| 13:44.25 | directhex|work | well, more secure. |
| 13:44.26 | streuner__ | argh, 'The Animals' are fucking crap. |
| 13:44.39 | revenger | directhex|work: why? |
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| 13:45.38 | directhex|work | revenger, there have been a large number of exploits of varying evilness discovered since 2.6.3 was released |
| 13:46.35 | sussudio | streuner__: be quiet and play your Schlager Muzik. |
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| 13:47.18 | revenger | directhex|work: well it's firewalled .. but we want to know what's going on first |
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| 13:48.23 | SlayerXP | any suugest for a "changelog" application, pref. web/database driven? |
| 13:48.28 | SlayerXP | suggestions, even |
| 13:48.40 | streuner__ | sussuido: Jazz is not that bad |
| 13:48.55 | m0ka | Anyone got some hardware specs for PHP+Apache+MySQL (debian)server? Top load would be bout 20 mysql q/sec, 7000 hits/hour. |
| 13:48.57 | streuner__ | sussudio: ^^ |
| 13:48.57 | caphuso | except /usr/bin/editor /var/www/changelog.html? |
| 13:49.05 | gothtec | streuner__: lilo can be easily fixed by accessing the console from the debian install boot discs. |
| 13:49.20 | kzar | right booted morphix, got a mount of /mnt/hda1 do i need to type anything else before dpkg -i kernel image? |
| 13:49.28 | SlayerXP | caphuso: as I said, pref. web based, db driven |
| 13:49.31 | streuner__ | gothtec: i was the one who answered the question ... ;-) |
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| 13:49.48 | sussudio | streuner__: animals is hardly Jazz |
| 13:49.58 | skyisblue | SlayerXP: search in freshmeat.net |
| 13:50.14 | SlayerXP | skyisblue: really? no kidding? that hadn't occured to me. |
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| 13:50.34 | streuner__ | sussudio: i just mentioned i don't like animals..., its Blues - i like Jazz more. |
| 13:50.52 | skyisblue | SlayerXP: What are you trying to do? |
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| 13:51.59 | sussudio | i'm sure you can get plenty of cheap Jazz in the bargain bins at record stores |
| 13:52.10 | SlayerXP | just a web form that you select machine(s), package(s) and service(s) from and then say what you did to them |
| 13:52.22 | SlayerXP | the data gets chucked into a database and email sent to a list |
| 13:52.38 | SlayerXP | so "SlayerXP upgraded Apache on machines A, B, C and F" |
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| 13:55.28 | hramrach | Best if the data were automagically generated by dpkg :) |
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| 13:55.43 | w00t_ | hello |
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| 13:56.01 | w00t_ | how can i see what packages are installed |
| 13:56.05 | caphuso | w00t_: dpkg -l |
| 13:56.27 | hramrach | parobably | grep ^ii |
| 13:56.35 | w00t_ | k |
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| 13:57.07 | hramrach | or run aptitude and open the installed section :) |
| 13:57.07 | skyisblue | SlayerXP: i did it "web database" in freshmeat.net 758 projects found |
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| 13:57.34 | SlayerXP | skyisblue: and how many of those relate to change management? |
| 13:57.54 | skyisblue | not sure but it will be. |
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| 14:01.53 | w00t_ | "error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" What i have to do? |
| 14:01.53 | kzar | how can i do this, i need to chroot to /mnt/hda1 to install the kernel image, but i can only write the kernel image to /tmp, so how can i access it? |
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| 14:03.00 | streuner__ | !find libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 14:03.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.6' returned no results. |
| 14:03.14 | streuner__ | w00t_: woody and you want install firefox? |
| 14:03.23 | w00t_ | Debian Sarge |
| 14:03.39 | w00t_ | i have firedox already installed |
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| 14:04.09 | directhex|work | w00t_, how did you install sarge, and how did you install firefox? |
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| 14:04.25 | DerJamster | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:04.30 | w00t_ | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:04.32 | streuner__ | w00t_: what are you trying at all? |
| 14:04.42 | w00t_ | i'm trying to start one program |
| 14:04.50 | DerJamster | w00t_: apt-file update |
| 14:04.55 | streuner__ | a secret to tell us? |
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| 14:05.01 | DerJamster | w00t_: apt-file search libstdc++.so.6 |
| 14:05.12 | DerJamster | w00t_: but first do updatedb and locate libstdc++ |
| 14:05.19 | xelam | apt-cache, not apt-file |
| 14:05.19 | w00t_ | "apt-file: command not found" |
| 14:05.24 | DerJamster | xelam: apt-file |
| 14:05.26 | xelam | no |
| 14:05.28 | DerJamster | xelam: different program |
| 14:05.38 | streuner__ | w00t_: apt-get install apt-file |
| 14:05.50 | xelam | hmm |
| 14:05.59 | DerJamster | xelam: searches for specific files in avaiable packets |
| 14:06.00 | skyisblue | w00t_: or aptitude and "/" "libstdc++" |
| 14:06.05 | DerJamster | er, packages..debs..ehatever |
| 14:06.09 | streuner__ | w00t_: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? (only the version) |
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| 14:07.06 | streuner__ | w00t_- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.4.27-1-386 [i686/1.72GHz] |
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| 14:07.58 | w00t_ | "libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone dat" |
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| 14:08.51 | streuner__ | w00t_: so what is the app you got the error? |
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| 14:09.36 | w00t_ | i have compiled one wxWidgets program on Mandrake Linux 10.1 and i'm trying to run it on Debian |
| 14:09.47 | DerJamster | wait.. |
| 14:09.52 | DerJamster | you compiled it on mandrake.. |
| 14:09.55 | DerJamster | and just moved it? |
| 14:10.01 | w00t_ | yes? |
| 14:10.24 | DerJamster | try 'ldd executable-of-the-program' |
| 14:10.30 | DerJamster | see what libs are not right ;) |
| 14:10.40 | DerJamster | compile the thing on the debian box. |
| 14:10.42 | w00t_ | "not a dynamic executable" |
| 14:10.55 | Tubez | THen it should just work. |
| 14:11.00 | DerJamster | Hmh. |
| 14:11.02 | kzar | AHH bollocks, im chrooted to my hard drive from a live cd boot, trying to change my lilo settings so my old kernel will boot with the initrd stuff and when i run lilo it says a load of errors about device mapper not working. ahh |
| 14:11.04 | Tubez | If it's a "big fat static binary" |
| 14:11.24 | DerJamster | Looks only big half-fat to me. |
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| 14:11.36 | DerJamster | Compile it on the debian box. |
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| 14:12.02 | w00t_ | i can't install wxWidgets :/ |
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| 14:12.11 | kzar | you cant re-run lilo from the lilo prompt can you? |
| 14:12.27 | lewis | what's the easiest way to get a .config from a kernel-package-2.4.27-1-686-smp equivelant? |
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| 14:14.00 | PeQua | Hello, i got this error: #1135 - Can't create a new thread (errno 11). If you are not out of available memory, you can consult the manual for a possible OS-dependent bug, is there something wrong with the new mysql package we received today from Debian? Because there a lots of sites on the net who had the error if you search with google. |
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| 14:14.07 | PeQua | (it's from mysqld) |
| 14:14.36 | SlayerXP | PeQua: did you check the BTS? |
| 14:15.04 | PeQua | SlayerXP: What is BTS? |
| 14:15.09 | directhex|work | !bts |
| 14:15.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:15.19 | SlayerXP | !topicsmite PeQua |
| 14:15.26 | streuner__ | w00t_: sure you can install those dev packages in debian too. |
| 14:15.27 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon PeQua. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:15.42 | w00t_ | streuner__: no |
| 14:15.46 | w00t_ | "Please check that gtk-config is in path, the directory where GTK+ libraries are installed (returned by 'gtk-config --libs' command) is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH or equivalent variable and GTK+ is version 1.2.3 or above. " |
| 14:16.01 | w00t_ | Where is the problem? What packages is missing? |
| 14:16.10 | sime | how can i get the 'scanner' kernel module |
| 14:16.14 | PeQua | tnx SlayerXP, sorry for the question ;-) |
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| 14:16.36 | streuner__ | !find gtk-config |
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| 14:16.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-config' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in libdevel/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in doc/libgtk1.2-doc. |
| 14:17.10 | streuner__ | w00t_: apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev |
| 14:17.14 | w00t_ | k |
| 14:17.24 | gilles | i can't read the .asx and .ram file on linux, even with mplayer and the w32codecs, what's could be wrong inmy config ? |
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| 14:18.59 | sime | !find scanner |
| 14:18.59 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'scanner' (3 shown): aegis-virus-scanner ;; libtk-objscanner-perl ;; mailscanner. |
| 14:19.05 | sime | !find sane |
| 14:19.07 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'sane' (15 shown; 17 total): gimp2.0-quiteinsane ;; libsane ;; libsane-dev ;; libsane-extras ;; libsane-extras-dev ;; pike7.2-sane ;; pike7.4-sane ;; pike7.6-sane ;; python-imaging-sane ;; python2.1-imaging-sane ;; python2.2-imaging-sane ;; python2.3-imaging-sane ;; quiteinsane ;; sane ;; sane-utils. |
| 14:19.13 | sime | !help scanner |
| 14:19.19 | streuner__ | sime: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 14:19.45 | Katana_Steel | can any one help me with a AC'97 Codec? |
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| 14:20.15 | streuner__ | video or sound module? |
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| 14:20.28 | Katana_Steel | sound |
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| 14:20.47 | streuner__ | so why not just modprobe the module? |
| 14:21.14 | streuner__ | !sound |
| 14:21.14 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 14:21.15 | Katana_Steel | I'm trying to get to work with ALSA |
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| 14:21.50 | streuner__ | Katana_Stell: well, ALSA should support it, /msg dpkg alsa |
| 14:21.57 | Katana_Steel | k I'll try that thanx |
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| 14:22.59 | directhex|work | !ac97 |
| 14:22.59 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
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| 14:25.08 | archivist | !network |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. |
| 14:25.28 | archivist | !network card |
| 14:26.33 | archivist | how do i reinstall a network card on an alpha (woody) |
| 14:27.09 | caphuso | something like open case, remove card, insert card, close case |
| 14:27.15 | streuner__ | archivist: the same way you install any other NIC on any other arch |
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| 14:27.54 | archivist | it aint finding/using said card :( |
| 14:27.58 | streuner__ | modprobe NIC-module, edit /etc/network/interfaces, done. |
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| 14:28.20 | archivist | tnx |
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| 14:29.29 | Katana_Steel | well my chipset is an AMD 762+768 it's not covered is it? |
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| 14:31.00 | tirillo | hello |
| 14:31.18 | xuxiaodong | helo |
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| 14:32.04 | streuner__ | Katana_Steel: i guess your question refers to the name of the module, so use 'lspci -v' to find out what's the exact name of the chipset and use 'usenet' to find out (groups.google.com) |
| 14:32.27 | streuner__ | argh, forgot you use ALSA... |
| 14:32.38 | streuner__ | Katana_Steel: did you run 'alsaconf'? |
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| 14:33.00 | tirillo | I'm a problem, I add in /etc/hosts "ip somehost", but host somehost returns the real ip |
| 14:33.16 | nsa | does debian run on i386 cpu's or are the binaries compiled for i586 ? |
| 14:33.19 | w00t_ | !find wx-config |
| 14:33.23 | FieldySnuts | yes, you are a problem |
| 14:33.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wx-config' (1 shown): (/usr/share/apps/kdevappwizard/template-common/wx-configure.in) in kde/kdevelop3-data. |
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| 14:33.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: confuse dpkg |
| 14:33.53 | Katana_Steel | streuner__: version 0.4.3b was the newest I could find |
| 14:33.53 | ravenbird | no where are my hamster yesterday ? |
| 14:33.54 | maziarz | dir |
| 14:34.00 | rafiks | hi! |
| 14:34.11 | streuner__ | w00t_: if its not a KDE app, just look for wx dev packages |
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| 14:34.22 | Audibert | Boa tarde, tem algum brasileiro na lista que pode me auxiliar? |
| 14:34.26 | streuner__ | Katana_Steel: woody? |
| 14:34.34 | w00t_ | !find wx dev packages |
| 14:34.35 | w00t_ | ? |
| 14:34.38 | streuner__ | !br |
| 14:34.39 | dpkg | from memory, br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:34.41 | rafiks | I dont know if this is the right place to ask but I have debian... |
| 14:34.44 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'wx dev packages' returned no results. |
| 14:34.44 | caphuso | w00t_: man apt-cache |
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| 14:34.55 | valdyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.06 | streuner__ | w00t_: use what caphuso just told you, you'll better results |
| 14:35.06 | tirillo | FieldySnuts: "yes, you are a problem" it was for me? |
| 14:35.12 | streuner__ | get* |
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| 14:35.33 | rafiks | anyway ,,can anybody recommend a good wifi card for a laptop... |
| 14:35.43 | Katana_Steel | streuner__: no downloaded it from asla-project.org but other wise yes it's a woody |
| 14:35.56 | grivell | rafiks: You have PCMCIA? |
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| 14:36.12 | streuner__ | Katana_Steel: just upgrade to sarge , /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 14:36.43 | rafiks | grivell. yes, i have an old thinkpad 770x with cardbus |
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| 14:37.20 | groton | hello all. i tryed to install latest version of kdevelop on debian, but im not able to get the 3.1 version. any hint? im using the unstable packages |
| 14:37.24 | Audibert | Estou tentando instalar o debian num pc, mas nunca instalei nunhama versao de linux, estou parado na parte de instalaēćo dos modulos |
| 14:37.30 | grivell | Netgear WG511 . It works great under Kernel 2.6. Is a Prism54 chipset ;) |
| 14:37.37 | streuner__ | !br |
| 14:37.38 | dpkg | somebody said br was Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:37.49 | grivell | !prism54 |
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| 14:38.35 | gerard_ | hello, where i can find kernel headers for version 2.6.9 (i'm using knoppix 3.7)? |
| 14:38.37 | rafiks | grivell : I read about that card...I was surfing in ebay,, How about atheros cards,are they better? |
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| 14:38.47 | Audibert | #debian-br |
| 14:38.50 | streuner__ | !topicsmite gerad_ |
| 14:38.51 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gerad_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:38.53 | gerard_ | i downloades from apt, but vmware says "no correct version :s" |
| 14:39.10 | streuner__ | gerard_: #knoppix |
| 14:39.27 | grivell | rafiks: I only have the Netgear card. And I have a USB D-Link for the iBook. Only 2 wireless I know about. Sorry. |
| 14:40.33 | RichiH | !faq |
| 14:40.33 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:40.35 | Katana_Steel | streuner__: thanx, i'm upgrading... now |
| 14:40.37 | nostalg1c | ehrm |
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| 14:40.47 | Audibert | anybody speak portuguese? |
| 14:40.47 | nostalg1c | i have the feeling ssh and su are only checking the first 8 characters of my password?? |
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| 14:40.57 | RichiH | !pt |
| 14:40.57 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:41.04 | groton | Audibert, i speak Italian, which is very similar to Portuguese |
| 14:41.21 | gerard_ | kernel headers for: Linux portatil 2.6.9 #2 SMP Tue Oct 19 23:51:10 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux? |
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| 14:41.36 | rafiks | grivell : ok..whats the range of this card? Is it reliable enough? Are there any problems with it? |
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| 14:41.59 | streuner__ | gerad_: can you read? |
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| 14:42.57 | gerard_ | streuner__: yes, i go to knoppix, but.... nobody helps me :s and knoopix is debian..... |
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| 14:43.35 | rafiks | !prism54 |
| 14:43.35 | directhex|work | !essentially debian |
| 14:43.36 | dpkg | it has been said that essentially debian is yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either. Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian |
| 14:43.45 | streuner__ | gerard_: so you order apples when you want bananas? |
| 14:43.54 | directhex|work | !debian solutions |
| 14:43.54 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 14:44.09 | JarJarBinks | when mounting ntfs from fstab, I can't write to the mountpoint, my fstab, have the line: /dev/hde1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs user,auto,uid=stylie 0 1 and running mount gives me: /dev/hde1 on /mnt/ntfs type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,user=JarJarBinks) shouldn't I be able to write to that partition now? |
| 14:44.22 | directhex|work | !ntfsrw |
| 14:44.23 | dpkg | ntfsrw is probably dream on! |
| 14:44.27 | directhex|work | hm |
| 14:44.27 | JarJarBinks | s/stylie/JarJarBinks |
| 14:44.32 | directhex|work | _NEVER_ try to write to ntfs |
| 14:44.41 | directhex|work | unless you wanna hose your file system |
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| 14:45.34 | Audibert | I'm try instal debian, but i stopped em modules instalations |
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| 14:46.03 | streuner__ | Audibert: did you use md5sum? |
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| 14:46.42 | JarJarBinks | directhex|work,dpkg : ntfs write support is no longer marked experimental in make menuconfig, but NEW, in my gentoo it worked like a charm |
| 14:46.44 | grivell | rafiks: It works within the house and on my porch. Past that, no idea :) No problems for me. |
| 14:47.11 | streuner__ | gerard_: if the sums match, just burn it again |
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| 14:47.39 | Audibert | no |
| 14:47.42 | streuner__ | Audibert: if the sums match, just burn it again |
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| 14:47.46 | Klon | how many floppies does one need for a debian ft install ? |
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| 14:47.55 | Klon | *ftp |
| 14:48.16 | streuner__ | Klon: depends if your NIC is supported |
| 14:48.33 | streuner__ | Klon: read installation-guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 14:48.42 | directhex|work | JarJarBinks, reading the kernel documentation suggests they haven't moved on from 'can only change contents of files > 500 bytes, without changing length' |
| 14:48.55 | JarJarBinks | s/>/< |
| 14:49.03 | Klon | thank you |
| 14:49.11 | streuner__ | Klon: /msg dpkg netinstall |
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| 14:49.27 | streuner__ | Klon: easier, its just a 32 MB iso |
| 14:49.31 | Klon | appreciated |
| 14:49.41 | streuner__ | Klon: or /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 14:49.47 | Klon | dont have a cd writer |
| 14:49.59 | streuner__ | ok, floppies work well |
| 14:50.00 | orjan | I read dpkg factoid about pinning. In the first url it says to add apt::default release in /etc/apt/apt.conf. On my box there is /etc/apt/apt.conf.d. Where should put apt.conf? |
| 14:50.00 | JarJarBinks | directhex|work: weird... but reading the doc.. makes me agree :) thx |
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| 14:50.37 | Audibert | i stoped in select category, please select category of modeules: block, net, fs, cd-rom, misc |
| 14:50.50 | directhex|work | Audibert, woody (3.0) i take it? |
| 14:50.51 | Darien | I need to Debianize a simple library, can anyone suggest a library to use as a template? |
| 14:50.58 | directhex|work | Audibert, how recent's the hardware? |
| 14:51.15 | directhex|work | Darien, if you're lucky, you can just run dh_make and have it work by itself |
| 14:51.20 | Darien | hmm |
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| 14:51.27 | Darien | luck be a server tonight |
| 14:51.40 | RonR | hello, I'm trying to get a tapestreamer to work, it's a HP 24i DDS-3 dat SCSI device, the kernel recognises the device and puts it on /dev/st0 (during boot), however when I try write some info to the tape it's doesn't seem to work |
| 14:52.09 | RonR | dmesg shows me errors like: st0: Failed to read 32768 byte block with 5120 byte transfer. when I'm doing stuff with mt and afio |
| 14:52.17 | Audibert | im downloaded this site: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ |
| 14:52.40 | Audibert | No |
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| 14:53.12 | RonR | mt status tells me I got: Generic SCSI-2 tape with drive status: 620756992 and an unknown Density code 0x25... but during boot the device was recognised ok |
| 14:53.15 | nostalg1c | this might be a weird question, but is it possible that whatever is responsible for checking passwords at ssh/su/... is only checking the first 8 characters ? |
| 14:53.39 | RonR | nostalg1c: yep... only first 8 |
| 14:53.41 | streuner__ | Audibert: so the installer didn't stop and continue, you just don't know what you choose for (modules)? |
| 14:53.59 | directhex|work | Audibert, right. so that's woody. what's the hardware? |
| 14:54.03 | Rebecca | valdyn_: well, i couldnt update the firmware (ibm's bios flash image is faulty), but i found a work around: shutdown normally (this actually works) and use WOL to start it up again :) |
| 14:54.04 | nostalg1c | RonR, can't i make it check the whole password? |
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| 14:54.12 | greycat | Why doesn't proftpd use secondary groups that are listed in the NIS group database, when /etc/group has the +::: on the end, and when /usr/bin/id shows those very same secondary group credentials? |
| 14:54.45 | RonR | nostalg1c: not afaik, but I never looked into it... always settled for 8 letter passwords |
| 14:54.54 | directhex|work | greycat, because NIS is funny Sun rubbish, and the proftpd developers are above such things |
| 14:55.08 | FieldySnuts | @win directhex|work |
| 14:55.10 | ravenbird | Congratulations, directhex|work! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:55.45 | nostalg1c | RonR, good thing i found out.. my root pass and "normal user pass" have the same first 8 characters |
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| 14:56.48 | KOPUK | halo any body here |
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| 14:56.53 | KOPUK | i need help |
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| 14:57.00 | gentoo-user | w00t! |
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| 14:57.06 | Audibert | one moment please, my english is verry poor, i'm install powertranslator for help de conversation |
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| 14:57.14 | gentoo-user | eh? |
| 14:57.20 | KOPUK | gentoo-user cann u help me |
| 14:57.25 | gentoo-user | with!? |
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| 14:57.26 | greycat | !tell KOPUK about ask |
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| 14:57.41 | gentoo-user | KOPUK, d00d just install gentoo |
| 14:57.42 | gentoo-user | :) |
| 14:57.44 | sporky|gentoo | lol bit` |
| 14:57.44 | KOPUK | i have a debian /gnu |
| 14:57.48 | streuner__ | KOPUK: if you have a debian question... |
| 14:57.50 | sporky|gentoo | haha |
| 14:57.54 | sporky|gentoo | bit`: u were right |
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| 14:58.08 | KOPUK | and the ls comany not work wrily |
| 14:58.17 | gentoo-user | :s |
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| 14:58.26 | KOPUK | how sory "ls " comand |
| 14:58.28 | Newport | hi how do i convert a cd image that is 3 files "image.CCD image.IMG image.SUB" so i can burn in linux? |
| 14:58.42 | gentoo-user | why is it 3 files? |
| 14:58.46 | streuner__ | KOPUK: troll woanders rum! |
| 14:58.55 | sporky|gentoo | stfu panley |
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| 14:59.09 | Newport | not a clue.. most i can find is that the image was made with clonecd for windows |
| 14:59.10 | greycat | Could all the Gentoo trolls please leave now? Thanks. |
| 14:59.31 | sporky | lol ilf quit |
| 14:59.38 | idnar | Newport: hrm. |
| 14:59.40 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | wat? |
| 14:59.49 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | ccd == clonecd image? |
| 14:59.49 | streuner__ | Newport: CCD isn't supported in linux |
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| 14:59.57 | idnar | Newport: use bchunk |
| 15:00.06 | streuner__ | gentoo-pwnz-j00: yep |
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| 15:00.17 | streuner__ | idnar: that doesn't work |
| 15:00.17 | idnar | Newport: the .CCD file is equivalent to a .toc file, and the .IMG file is equivalent to a .bin file |
| 15:00.19 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | isnt that like windows only? |
| 15:00.27 | idnar | Newport: .cue file, I mean, not .toc file |
| 15:00.39 | idnar | streuner__: hmm? I'm reasonably sure I've done that before, but perhaps my memory is rusty |
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| 15:00.58 | mikael_ | hello |
| 15:01.00 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | hi |
| 15:01.03 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | how are u? |
| 15:01.03 | sporky | hi |
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| 15:01.09 | idnar | you won't get the subchannel information that's stored in the .SUB, of course |
| 15:01.16 | streuner__ | idnar: i googled 2 hours, there was no solution in whole usenet |
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| 15:01.26 | Newport | so i need to "bchunk image.img image.cdd file.iso" ? |
| 15:01.28 | greycat | you read all of usenet in 2 hours? wow. |
| 15:01.45 | mikael_ | I know there's a way to run a kind of vmware kernel with linux, does anybody know how and where I have to search ?? |
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| 15:01.51 | streuner__ | greycat: its enough to search for an issue... ;-) |
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| 15:01.56 | sporky | mikael_: u need modules |
| 15:02.04 | sporky | mikael_: download the vmware tar.gz |
| 15:02.14 | sporky | and the installer will help ya |
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| 15:02.24 | sussudio | can you fuck off now, odl? |
| 15:02.26 | sporky | mikael_: vmware.com |
| 15:02.26 | karl | Hi I have built a deb Where can I host it? |
| 15:02.37 | idnar | Newport: well, try it, I think it should work |
| 15:02.38 | greycat | karl: on your personal web site |
| 15:02.38 | mikael_ | sporky nope, I meant it's not vmware but an option offered by linux itself |
| 15:02.51 | idnar | Newport: if it doesn't, then I'm not sure |
| 15:02.56 | sporky | mikael_: theres no such thing according to me |
| 15:02.58 | karl | greycat: I have none |
| 15:03.02 | sporky | mikael_: its just modules |
| 15:03.03 | idnar | Newport: what's the content of the CloneCD image? |
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| 15:03.05 | sporky | mikael_: otoh |
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| 15:03.14 | sporky | mikael_: i think debian might have a kernel |
| 15:03.20 | Newport | mame games :) |
| 15:03.20 | RonR | my kernel doesn't seem to know Density code 0x25 is a DDS-3 tape, what do I need to tell my kernel it's a DDS-3 tape? |
| 15:03.24 | mikael_ | sporky what's otoh ??? |
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| 15:03.26 | sporky | that can be used if linux is the guest OS |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | !otoh |
| 15:03.30 | dpkg | somebody said otoh was On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
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| 15:03.32 | sporky | mikael_: on the other hand |
| 15:03.38 | *** part/#debian racoontje (~knoppix@213-193-182-39.adsl.easynet.be) |
| 15:03.39 | bit` | on the other hand |
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| 15:03.44 | Darien | directhex|work: it's working excellent, thank you |
| 15:03.48 | KOPUK | who cann me help about this version Linux 2.4.27-1-386 i have some questions |
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| 15:03.52 | idnar | Newport: ah, that should be fine then |
| 15:03.53 | greycat | karl: try to find someone who's willing to host it, then. Give more info on what the deb *is*, etc.... |
| 15:03.59 | rdancer | dpkg, php is also http://tnx.nl/php |
| 15:03.59 | dpkg | rdancer: that's too long |
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| 15:04.06 | greycat | KOPUK: just ask the questions. |
| 15:04.14 | rdancer | 8-( |
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| 15:04.15 | tirkal | where (which directory) should I put code I've written myself on a Debian server? |
| 15:04.23 | idnar | Newport: converting it with bchunk like that will lose the subchannel information in the .SUB file, which would be a problem if you were trying to burn a perfect copy of a copy-protected game, or something |
| 15:04.26 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | ~~ |
| 15:04.27 | greycat | tirkal: /usr/local or /home |
| 15:04.29 | mikael_ | sporky yes I may have not expressed my self properly but it's quite difficult as I don't know what exactly i'm looking for |
| 15:04.30 | directhex|work | Darien, it is? good. whatever 'it' is |
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| 15:04.31 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | wat kinda code? |
| 15:04.33 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | wtf |
| 15:04.36 | karl | Does anyone want to host mc with redhat utf-8 patches ? |
| 15:04.43 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | http://www.figlet.org/fontdb_example.cgi?font=linux.flf |
| 15:04.46 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | erhm |
| 15:04.46 | idnar | Newport: but if it's just data, then assuming bchunk works, it should be fine |
| 15:04.48 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | not that |
| 15:04.51 | sporky | mikael_: wat do u want to do exactly ? |
| 15:04.56 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | <KOPUK> i have a root with debian/GNU |
| 15:04.56 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | <KOPUK> and not work the comande ls |
| 15:04.56 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | <KOPUK> how cann i put in past form |
| 15:04.58 | Newport | yeah i cant get bchunk to work |
| 15:05.00 | Audibert | Good afternoon to all, necessary of a help to install the debian, work with support computer science but I never worked with linux. |
| 15:05.01 | Audibert | I lowered the cd,s of minimum installation of the following address: |
| 15:05.01 | Audibert | http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd /. |
| 15:05.01 | Audibert | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.01 | Audibert | How do I do to install him/it? |
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| 15:05.06 | idnar | Newport: hrm :/ |
| 15:05.06 | KOPUK | in my root i put comande ls but not work |
| 15:05.16 | greycat | KOPUK: tell us what the ERROR IS. |
| 15:05.25 | idnar | exit |
| 15:05.27 | sussudio | greycat: remember odl? |
| 15:05.27 | Darien | directhex|work: dh_make |
| 15:05.30 | KOPUK | the eror are of german language |
| 15:05.32 | *** part/#debian sporky (~shastry@shastry.user) |
| 15:05.33 | mikael_ | sporky actually I'm fed up to reboot to test my kernel everytime I compile it, so I'm looking for a way to to a quick kernel reboot inside an xterm |
| 15:05.38 | tirkal | greycat: these are programs (Python scripts and modules) I've written myself and the server uses to serve applications. so "/usr/local" or "/home" are still my options even for "production" application code files? |
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| 15:05.44 | directhex|work | Darien, oh yeah, that's some good shizzle |
| 15:05.55 | directhex|work | !/opt |
| 15:05.55 | streuner__ | KOPUK: /j #debian.de |
| 15:05.55 | dpkg | /opt is probably for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See usrlocal, FHS |
| 15:06.03 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | do yall have kde beta yet? |
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| 15:06.05 | bitsnbytes | how can i tell the ver of debian i have running? |
| 15:06.15 | directhex|work | bitsnbytes, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:06.29 | mikael_ | sporky and I kind of remember that since kernel 2.6 is out you can do such think like that |
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| 15:06.33 | directhex|work | bitsnbytes, or cat /etc/apt/sources.list and check what mirrors you're using (e.g. stable, sid) |
| 15:06.36 | streuner__ | bitsnbytes: or dpkg -l libc6 and compare the version what woody or sarge/sid uses |
| 15:06.43 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | hello? |
| 15:06.50 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | kde 3.4.0-beta1 |
| 15:07.23 | streuner__ | that's not in debian... |
| 15:07.24 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | omfgroflbbq |
| 15:07.29 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | its not? |
| 15:07.31 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | :/ |
| 15:07.32 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | dammit |
| 15:07.53 | sime | for scanner support does one have the recompile the kernel... ? |
| 15:07.55 | sussudio | go bother your pal kawfee, odl |
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| 15:08.12 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | wat? who? |
| 15:08.14 | Newport | ccd2iso |
| 15:08.16 | Newport | :) |
| 15:08.17 | FieldySnuts | @fuck kawfee |
| 15:08.20 | Newport | that looks promising |
| 15:08.21 | streuner__ | sime: no, not if you use an 'normal' real official kernel |
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| 15:08.23 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | ok...wats the latest in apt!? |
| 15:08.29 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | 2.2? |
| 15:08.33 | directhex|work | !info kdebase sid |
| 15:08.36 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: remember odl, fucktard troll? |
| 15:08.36 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 15:08.38 | Newport | to bad apt will not find the package |
| 15:08.46 | directhex|work | gentoo-pwnz-j00, 3.3.1 |
| 15:08.48 | abrotman | !ops gentoo-pwnz-j00 |
| 15:08.49 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | :/ |
| 15:08.49 | FieldySnuts | not really .bbl |
| 15:08.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: gentoo-pwnz-j00 |
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| 15:09.01 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 15:09.04 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | !ops! |
| 15:09.04 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 15:09.08 | sime | streuner__, should one be able to insmod/modprobe scanner then ? |
| 15:09.11 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | !ops foo |
| 15:09.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: foo |
| 15:09.16 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | :) |
| 15:09.20 | gentoo-pwnz-j00 | attack foo! |
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| 15:09.29 | abrotman | LoRez: thank you |
| 15:09.37 | greycat | LoRez: ah, I was just about to issue a final warning. |
| 15:09.41 | streuner__ | sime: dunno, you need a driver, google for scanner driver or such |
| 15:09.43 | sussudio | LoRez: that was most likely odl, btw. |
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| 15:09.53 | hackeron | whats the minimum wage per hour in the US for a linux consultant? |
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| 15:10.16 | greycat | hackeron: $0, of course. |
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| 15:10.22 | streuner__ | sime: scanners aren't good supported in linux at all, mostly SCSI scanners have better support... |
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| 15:10.29 | djuuss | how do i *retrieve* mail over telnet? |
| 15:10.37 | ratonn | Is load avg a good indicator of server usage? |
| 15:10.38 | hackeron | greycat: heh :) -- I mean in a commercial environment |
| 15:10.40 | Audibert | Good afternoon to all, necessary of a help to install the debian, work with support computer science but I never worked with linux. |
| 15:10.41 | Audibert | I lowered the cd,s of minimum installation of the following address: |
| 15:10.41 | Audibert | http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd /. |
| 15:10.41 | Audibert | How do I do to install him/it? |
| 15:10.41 | Audibert | I got to do the partitions, but I stopped in the installation of the modules. how should I proceed? |
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| 15:10.44 | greycat | djuuss: telnet to the pop3 port and use the pop3 protocol |
| 15:10.45 | streuner__ | argh |
| 15:10.50 | ratonn | ie: loadavg of 1 = maxed out |
| 15:10.50 | ratonn | ? |
| 15:10.52 | rdancer | !tell djuuss about pop3 |
| 15:11.00 | topa_ | hackeron: all consultancy work is done on IRC for free |
| 15:11.00 | greycat | djuuss: or telnet to your shell account on telnetd and then cat your mailbox |
| 15:11.09 | abrotman | ratonn: no .. read the man page of top .. and look at other factors . disk IO .. network IO |
| 15:11.14 | sime | streuner__, i know a while back I was able to get my scanner working in Mandrake, but debian keeps telling me that its having trouble seeing it |
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| 15:11.22 | ratonn | abrotman |
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| 15:11.25 | abrotman | !tell Audibert about paste |
| 15:11.30 | djuuss | thx greycat and rdancer |
| 15:11.30 | ratonn | : how does one check disk io? |
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| 15:11.34 | greycat | Audibert: Burn CD. Boot CD. Follow instructions on screen. |
| 15:11.40 | rdancer | djuuss: np |
| 15:11.42 | gilles | what is the command to see my dns address |
| 15:11.43 | abrotman | ratonn: use ... iostat .. that can be one |
| 15:11.44 | gilles | (in a terminal) |
| 15:11.49 | hackeron | topa_: not when you help a small startup that doesnt know anything more than microsoft office |
| 15:11.53 | rdancer | !tell ratonn about hdparm |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | ratonn: it's in sysstat package iirc |
| 15:11.59 | greycat | gilles: hostname, man hostname, ifconfig -a, ... |
| 15:12.04 | bitsnbytes | was looking for my current version of debian and logged into Webmin and it said 3.0 - That sound right? |
| 15:12.08 | streuner__ | sime: well, it should work in debian then |
| 15:12.14 | Audibert | burn cd |
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| 15:12.21 | rdancer | bitsnbytes: that's woody, yes |
| 15:12.32 | bitsnbytes | rdancer: Thanks |
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| 15:12.39 | bitsnbytes | is that the most recent ver? |
| 15:12.47 | hackeron | let me rephrase that. If a startup wants you to come to them and give them a linux consultation which will take around 5 hours. How much would you charge? |
| 15:12.47 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 15:12.47 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:13.21 | macomber | !tell macomber about hdparm |
| 15:13.34 | rdancer | macomber: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 15:13.48 | tirkal | bitsnbytes: not really, but what does it matter? |
| 15:13.58 | bitsnbytes | sure.. |
| 15:13.58 | lightcap | okay, I'm evaluating backup solutions, and I like the cgi interface on backuppc, but it's damn slow...has anyone used bacula? I've used amanda in the past and liked it, but it's a bit of a PITA...suggestions? |
| 15:13.59 | tirkal | bitsnbytes: does it do what you want? |
| 15:14.06 | ratonn | Is this high? CPU states: 40.4% user, 4.5% system, 0.0% nice, 55.1% idle |
| 15:14.08 | bitsnbytes | amm...almost... |
| 15:14.20 | greycat | ratonn: mu |
| 15:14.21 | bitsnbytes | I'm looking to configure apache to work with php |
| 15:14.26 | bitsnbytes | thats my next problem |
| 15:14.28 | greycat | bitsnbytes: apt-get install apache php |
| 15:14.29 | streuner__ | sime: what scanner do you have? |
| 15:14.31 | bitsnbytes | I've got apache and php installed |
| 15:14.32 | sussudio | !tell rafiks about away |
| 15:14.38 | ratonn | greycat: ? |
| 15:14.43 | rdancer | bitsnbytes: that's pretty meaningless information. the last stable is woody revision 4. but you generally want security updates, so the versioning is a bit blurred and meaningless |
| 15:14.59 | greycat | So, is there ANY way to use NIS groups meaningfully, or do ALL groups have to be put in the local /etc/group file on ALL machines? |
| 15:15.00 | bitsnbytes | ok |
| 15:15.07 | bitsnbytes | how hard is it to update? |
| 15:15.12 | Audibert | I have a p IV 2.0ghz.... with xp for having installed in the hd0 = 36gb, and the debian in the hd2 with 3gb and swap of 500mb..... |
| 15:15.12 | Audibert | Seemingly I got you install him/it..... I will test |
| 15:15.15 | rdancer | !say rafiks: who the fuck cares?! |
| 15:15.15 | greycat | (Or is this just a proftpd specific bug?) |
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| 15:15.16 | dpkg | rafiks: who the fuck cares?! |
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| 15:15.27 | streuner__ | greycat: #proftp? |
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| 15:15.38 | valdyn_ | !french |
| 15:15.38 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:15.40 | greycat | streuner__: I don't know whether it's proftpd specific, that's the problem... |
| 15:16.00 | streuner__ | greycat: what stops you to mail the maintainer? |
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| 15:16.08 | greycat | streuner__: common sense? |
| 15:16.12 | bitsnbytes | actually...is there a book or website i can go to to help out with configuring debian with apache, php, my/sql, update debian..etc.. |
| 15:16.30 | djuuss | hmm |
| 15:16.31 | djuuss | cool |
| 15:16.32 | rdancer | !lamp |
| 15:16.32 | dpkg | well, lamp is the Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/, or an acronym for "Linux, Apache, MySQL, (Perl,Python,PHP)". Lesbian Asian Midget Pr0n |
| 15:16.41 | jharrisonwk | anyone know any howtos for recovering deleted data from a hard drive in linux? |
| 15:16.47 | djuuss | always nice to know my smtp server is a safe haven for spammers |
| 15:16.51 | streuner__ | greycat: is s(he) don't know, who else? |
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| 15:17.13 | c4r10x | :) |
| 15:17.16 | greycat | streuner__: I was hoping *someone* in here might have a clue whether NIS secondary groups are *supposed* to work in ftpd, or not. |
| 15:17.21 | tirkal | bitsnbytes: it's a piece of cake |
| 15:17.27 | bitsnbytes | really |
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| 15:17.38 | bitsnbytes | trikal: u got any time to assist? |
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| 15:17.46 | tirkal | bitsnbytes: if you got Apache and mod_php installed, you can start running scripts on /var/www |
| 15:17.54 | tirkal | that's as simple as that |
| 15:18.00 | bitsnbytes | ok...thats the prob...i dont have php_mod installed. |
| 15:18.04 | bitsnbytes | or at least i dont know |
| 15:18.17 | bitsnbytes | is php_mod a separate apt-get install package? |
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| 15:18.26 | djuuss | yeah |
| 15:18.30 | tirkal | bitsnbytes: apt-cache search -n mod-php |
| 15:18.35 | GarySaved | /nick GarySaved |
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| 15:19.04 | tirkal | after you have the package you want (basically depends which version of Apache you got, 1 or 2) you apt-get install it |
| 15:19.09 | sussudio | debian.log.20040408.gz:[02:47] <helix> odl and FieldySnuts make every day feel like sunday |
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| 15:19.17 | binary_dreamer | i installed a new kernel in my system and something goes wrong during the installation. it is not the first time that i compiled a kernel, but this is the first time i got stuck. please prefix |
| 15:19.35 | Newport | is there a list of servers i can paste into my source.list? |
| 15:19.38 | orjan_ | I just installed testing on a box on a local lan. After a while the network goes down. I can get it up with dhclinet but after a while it goes down again. No error in syslog but when running dhclient there is a msg about sit0 and corrupt lease. What should I check? |
| 15:19.55 | GarySaved | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY arm7red |
| 15:19.59 | ratonn | Strange, iostat -x /dev/sda is not giving me any info on device |
| 15:20.03 | ratonn | only on CPU |
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| 15:20.13 | streuner__ | Newport: what you get with 'apt-setup' should be normally enough, why do you think you need more? |
| 15:20.17 | greycat | dpkg, pal $1 is <action> points at $1 and laughs |
| 15:20.17 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:20.19 | greycat | !pal GarySaved |
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| 15:21.15 | Newport | oh |
| 15:21.18 | ionrock | Hello, I think I have an issue with d-bus and how it sets up the /dev. When I first boot up it doesn't take care of making a /media/cdrom0 . I have had this issue before but I have no idea how I fixed it |
| 15:21.29 | Newport | so if i run apt-setup again and pick another server it will append? |
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| 15:21.41 | GarySaved | Does anyone know how to set up Zircon ? |
| 15:21.42 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: your backup? |
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| 15:22.10 | greycat | group: compat |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | GarySaved: setup what? |
| 15:22.32 | dud | g'morning folks! :O |
| 15:22.38 | GarySaved | I am trying an IRC client called zircon |
| 15:22.42 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:22.49 | abrotman | what's wrong with all the normal ones? |
| 15:22.58 | streuner__ | GarySaved: try X-Chat |
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| 15:24.00 | GarySaved | /part |
| 15:24.00 | greycat | if you have to ask for help with it, it might not be the right client for you. |
| 15:24.09 | greycat | and by the way, CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD. |
| 15:24.17 | GarySaved | It just looked interesting. |
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| 15:24.33 | greycat | it looks like a piece of crap, based on your two /commands in the channel so far |
| 15:24.55 | streuner__ | GarySaved: apt-get install xchat, x-chat is easy and intuitive |
| 15:24.58 | tirkal | there was a document about the POSIX directory structure (where to put everything). does anyone remmember the name? |
| 15:25.02 | streuner__ | too late |
| 15:25.03 | greycat | !FHS |
| 15:25.03 | dpkg | fhs is probably the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 15:25.21 | tirkal | thanks |
| 15:25.23 | ratonn | greycat: do i need some sort of kernel option to use iostat on devices? |
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| 15:26.02 | abrotman | ratonn: no |
| 15:26.13 | abrotman | ratonn: it has to be running for a while to get stats |
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| 15:26.30 | abrotman | ratonn: paste your output in #flood |
| 15:26.56 | ratonn | done |
| 15:27.12 | nostalg1c | what package is 'dig' in ? |
| 15:27.15 | greycat | !dig |
| 15:27.15 | dpkg | it has been said that dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail |
| 15:27.25 | nostalg1c | tnx |
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| 15:27.32 | nostalg1c | is there a command i can use to find out such things ? |
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| 15:27.44 | dud | try apt-cache search <name> |
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| 15:27.59 | dud | its not 100% certain, but its a fairly good chance you'll find it |
| 15:28.01 | greycat | nostalg1c: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:28.08 | mooded | dud.. ever tried this for "dig" .. |
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| 15:28.11 | mooded | not funny |
| 15:28.14 | cobra_ | hi !! |
| 15:28.14 | nostalg1c | dud, it did quite a few replies (too much :)), and not dnsutils :) |
| 15:28.19 | nostalg1c | greycat, tnxw |
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| 15:28.40 | RichiH | mooded: try e |
| 15:28.40 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: of course not |
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| 15:28.47 | GarySaved | Well, that did not work so goo ... |
| 15:28.49 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: pray? |
| 15:28.51 | GarySaved | good ... |
| 15:29.00 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok |
| 15:29.04 | cobra_ | I need some help for compiling my kerel sources to make graphical drivers, sombody can help me ? |
| 15:29.04 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: im going to use tct |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: best of luck |
| 15:29.13 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: its just been a while since I used it before |
| 15:29.18 | WiFiTux | cobra_, what do you need? |
| 15:29.31 | directhex|work | cobra_, why do you need to do that? |
| 15:29.31 | mooded | RichiH, but you'll admit its no good solution to find files contained in packages.. thats the only thing i wanted to state.. |
| 15:29.33 | miki | Hi, I have erased some mp3 files on a VFAT files system. Do you know of any linux program that can recover them? |
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| 15:29.36 | w00t_ | how can i uninstall program installed with "make install"? |
| 15:29.48 | RichiH | mooded: apt-file |
| 15:29.50 | bitsnbytes | just wondering if someone can assist....I've got apache installed..not sure what version...and php 4 installed....but not sure what to do next in order to run php scripts |
| 15:29.59 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: ok |
| 15:30.07 | Mage\work | w00t_: make uninstall or make deinstall (check file MakeFile) |
| 15:30.09 | directhex|work | w00t_, if you're lucky, make uninstall in the source folder. if not, you can't |
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| 15:30.20 | mooded | RichiH, nice.. |
| 15:30.47 | WiFiTux | bitsnbytes, #apache or #php |
| 15:30.55 | RichiH | w00t_: make uninstall |
| 15:30.55 | RichiH | gah, my connaection is slooooow |
| 15:31.08 | abrotman | ratonn: you're trying to figure out why your load is high? |
| 15:31.14 | dud | hmm, its ok to run a computer from a cardboard box instead of a real casing isnt it......? |
| 15:31.14 | bitsnbytes | am a super nubie..not sure what u mean? |
| 15:31.18 | ratonn | abrotmant: 48.78kB read / s |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | there's a new variation :) |
| 15:31.34 | abrotman | ratonn: is this a mail server? |
| 15:31.37 | dud | it wont be grounded to the case with the screws to fasten it, but that wont kill it |
| 15:31.40 | ratonn | nope, apache php mysql |
| 15:31.43 | dud | right? hehe |
| 15:31.45 | directhex|work | dud, you can BUY cardboard cases |
| 15:31.52 | ratonn | only excecuting 110 queries / second |
| 15:31.53 | greycat | OK, it *is* a proftpd shortcoming. I replaced proftpd with bsd-ftpd (woody), edited inetd.conf by hand, FTP'ed in, and it *worked*. |
| 15:31.53 | abrotman | ratonn: do you have some kind of freakishly high logging on? |
| 15:31.54 | ratonn | :\ |
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| 15:31.58 | dud | directhex|work, really hehe |
| 15:32.00 | cobra_ | WiFiTux , I want to compil my graphical drivers and for that I 'ev installed kernel sources and header. I've compiled kernel sources but the module of my graphical driver have unroconised symbol so I tried to desactivate msp because it is the cause |
| 15:32.03 | RichiH | bitsnbytes: join the channels #apache and #php -- they will be able to help you :) |
| 15:32.09 | bitsnbytes | k..thanks |
| 15:32.18 | directhex|work | dud, http://www.lupo.co.jp/develop/ccpc/ccpcbox_main.html |
| 15:32.19 | ratonn | abrotman: i don't log anything |
| 15:32.24 | ratonn | no mysql php or apache logging |
| 15:32.29 | directhex|work | !wayttd cobra_ |
| 15:32.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cobra_? |
| 15:32.30 | abrotman | ratonn: so where's all your disk IO going? |
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| 15:32.53 | ratonn | I imagine mysql |
| 15:33.01 | rAz` | lo |
| 15:33.02 | dud | directhex|work, hehe |
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| 15:33.10 | abrotman | ratonn: how big is the database? |
| 15:33.22 | ratonn | ~70mb |
| 15:33.30 | WiFiTux | cobra_, nvidia? |
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| 15:33.44 | abrotman | ratonn: you sure nothing is logging? .. are these complex queries? |
| 15:33.50 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, he seems determined not to give useful info |
| 15:33.58 | ratonn | ratonn: somewhat |
| 15:34.01 | ratonn | CPU states: 44.7% user, 5.0% system, 0.0% nice, 50.3% idle |
| 15:34.01 | cobra_ | WiFiTux> no Kyro II |
| 15:34.05 | ratonn | Is that a problem? |
| 15:34.07 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, I'm noticing that. ha |
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| 15:34.27 | abrotman | ratonn: how fast/much RAM? |
| 15:34.31 | directhex|work | oh lord. it's the 21st century ffs! kyro bloody 2? >_< |
| 15:34.43 | takatumi | !greetings |
| 15:34.43 | dpkg | hello, takatumi |
| 15:34.45 | WiFiTux | cobra_, I have never heard of that. You are trying to install it's Linux drivers from their support site? |
| 15:34.56 | ratonn | abrotman: xeon 3.0 ht, 1gb ram |
| 15:35.03 | ratonn | 18gb u320 drive |
| 15:35.03 | takatumi | WiFiTux: how's your wifi going? |
| 15:35.08 | abrotman | ratonn: did you turn on SMP for the HT? |
| 15:35.16 | WiFiTux | takatumi, perfect. 0.21 does it all. |
| 15:35.20 | abrotman | ratonn: it really sounds like something is wrong .. top doesn't show anything?> |
| 15:35.21 | ratonn | ratonn: yes |
| 15:35.24 | cobra_ | WiFiTux>yes |
| 15:35.28 | ratonn | oops |
| 15:35.29 | abrotman | ratonn: stop talking to yourself |
| 15:35.31 | takatumi | WiFiTux: 0.21 of what? |
| 15:35.32 | ratonn | abrotman: yes, HT is on |
| 15:35.35 | WiFiTux | cobra_, well, I dunno. |
| 15:35.38 | ratonn | cpuinfo shows 2 cpus |
| 15:35.40 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, a short-lived series of powervr chips, made by st microelectronics, and carded by hercules. they were pretty slow compared to early geforces, with windows drivers |
| 15:35.43 | WiFiTux | takatumi, ipw2100 or ipw2200? |
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| 15:36.01 | takatumi | WiFiTux: ah, I just use the orinoco driver. |
| 15:36.05 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, ahh! is it good or crappy? |
| 15:36.14 | ratonn | kernel 2.4.28 |
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| 15:36.23 | WiFiTux | takatumi, ahh! :) well Wifi is everyday better in linux. |
| 15:36.29 | abrotman | ratonn: you may want to talk to #mysql to see if that load is normal .. |
| 15:36.36 | abrotman | ratonn: or someway to tune it |
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| 15:36.54 | ratonn | abrotman: is there any way to find out if the IO is the problem? |
| 15:36.57 | takatumi | WiFiTux: got a wpc11 v3 linksys free :) |
| 15:37.01 | abrotman | ratonn: or maybe they can at least eliminate mysql as the issue |
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| 15:37.11 | bugslayer | hi all |
| 15:37.22 | abrotman | ratonn: if this box is only running php/apache/mysql .. and you have no logging of any kind .. i'd suspect mysql is having an issue |
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| 15:37.34 | ratonn | abrotman: check #flood real quick |
| 15:37.37 | nostalg1c | the 'admin' user, is it a default on debian? or did a package of mine add that ? |
| 15:37.37 | dud | hmm, i never realized how much fun it would be having a ~3Mb connection at home on a top of the line pc running linux before i got one *_* |
| 15:37.43 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, it's always been crappy, though it had an interesting way of doing rendering |
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| 15:37.45 | WiFiTux | takatumi, cool. How is that working? |
| 15:37.46 | takatumi | WiFiTux: the new v4's and prism2's are hard to get going I heard, so pretty lucky :) |
| 15:37.48 | cdc | i am using sarge and i am using gnome 2.6 how do i upgrade to 2.8 |
| 15:37.55 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, Ohh. |
| 15:37.57 | Zyroth | how can i let debian detect hardware without rebooting? (I just deblacklisted a soundcard) |
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| 15:38.06 | abrotman | ratonn: i'm pretty sure you can't hdparm a scsi drive .. you can look but not change |
| 15:38.09 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, fairly advanced hidden face culling for its time, which meant it could get away with a slower chip than its peers |
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| 15:38.25 | abrotman | ratonn: could be context switching also |
| 15:38.29 | directhex|work | Zyroth, load the module with modprobe ? |
| 15:38.31 | dud | where does xchat store its auto-replace in-line text list? is there such...? eg, teh will automagically be replaced by the |
| 15:38.35 | bugslayer | does anyone know a good Instant messaging client like gaim? (please query) |
| 15:38.37 | bugslayer | thy |
| 15:38.41 | ratonn | abrotman: is HT in 2.4 smooth? |
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| 15:38.54 | greycat | bugslayer: thine ignorance is showing |
| 15:38.57 | directhex|work | bugslayer, gaim. |
| 15:39.04 | canut | bonjour a tous |
| 15:39.05 | dud | Zyroth, try modprode |
| 15:39.14 | Zyroth | thx |
| 15:39.14 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, I wouldn't use that crap then. |
| 15:39.24 | canut | j'ai un petit souci au demarage de kdm |
| 15:39.24 | takatumi | WiFiTux: works fine with the dlink g604T switch (which is linux driven), and the orinoco driver available in the kernel, both open source. |
| 15:39.33 | abrotman | ratonn: i'd use 2.6 myself . but that's your decision |
| 15:39.39 | cdc | i am using sarge and i am using gnome 2.6 how do i upgrade to 2.8 |
| 15:39.46 | greycat | cdc: dist-upgrade |
| 15:39.51 | lightcap | what happens when a physical volume in lvm fails? does the whole volume group go down? |
| 15:40.03 | WiFiTux | canut, ne parle francais! oubre #debian-fr |
| 15:40.07 | greycat | lightcap: without RAID 1 or higher, yes. |
| 15:40.08 | ratonn | abrotman: is it stable in debian? |
| 15:40.08 | cdc | greycat, why should i upgrade everything i could just upgrade gnome |
| 15:40.11 | abrotman | ratonn: i don't have any HT stuff here so i can't say how good/bad 2.6 or 2.4 is |
| 15:40.21 | cdc | cant i give apt-get gnome upgrade |
| 15:40.22 | greycat | cdc: fine, apt-get install the packages by hand. |
| 15:40.27 | abrotman | ratonn: oh .. no .. and the kernels in woody(unless you've compiled your own) don't support HT iirc |
| 15:40.28 | greycat | cdc: no, you can't. |
| 15:40.32 | canut | excuse me |
| 15:40.40 | ratonn | abrotman: i compiled my own |
| 15:40.41 | abrotman | !excuse canut |
| 15:40.43 | WiFiTux | takatumi, cool, I need to make a Linux AP. |
| 15:40.50 | abrotman | ratonn: you can get 2.6 on woody if you want it ... |
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| 15:40.54 | abrotman | ratonn: this is an external server? |
| 15:40.56 | directhex|work | WiFiTux, broadly, http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020418/vgacharts-04.html has the right idea. |
| 15:41.11 | greycat | using 2.6 on woody violates the whole PURPOSE of using a stable system. |
| 15:41.23 | FieldySnuts | heh tomshardware is biased, don't take it too seriously |
| 15:41.24 | greycat | you might as well just run sarge. |
| 15:41.33 | abrotman | greycat: well .. yes .. but does 2.4 support HT in a good way? |
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| 15:41.38 | directhex|work | using backports of any kind on woody seem sick & wrong & pointless to me |
| 15:41.42 | takatumi | if one can venture into 2.6, why not sarge as well? |
| 15:41.57 | ratonn | abrotman: external as in not local? yep |
| 15:42.17 | WiFiTux | directhex|work, what a piece of crap. |
| 15:42.27 | lightcap | greycat I guess I'll have to live with that possibility then :) I'm not raiding that many drives... |
| 15:42.37 | abrotman | ratonn: as in .. available from the internet |
| 15:42.40 | greycat | abrotman: a "good way" meaning "by ignoring it"? :) |
| 15:42.44 | ratonn | abrotman: yep |
| 15:42.49 | greycat | I'd call that a good way. |
| 15:42.50 | dud | yey, found the autoreplace stuff |
| 15:42.56 | dud | was in the menu :/ |
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| 15:42.57 | lightcap | greycat plus it's backups on the volume group anyhow :) at some point the redundancy has to stop :) |
| 15:43.00 | abrotman | ratonn: well .. moving to sarge is your call .. i just don't know how 2.4 is at HT |
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| 15:43.02 | ratonn | abrotman: i'm going to run some mysql benchmarks to see if my queries/databases are to blame |
| 15:43.08 | abrotman | greycat: so 2.4 has no HT stuff? |
| 15:43.17 | WiFiTux | :| |
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| 15:43.32 | greycat | abrotman: I don't know, and don't care. |
| 15:43.35 | petemc | it does |
| 15:43.37 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. good answer :) |
| 15:43.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:43.47 | greycat | I've never bought any Intel chip newer than a PII-era Celeron |
| 15:43.47 | abrotman | ratonn: i guess try that .. |
| 15:43.52 | abrotman | ew |
| 15:44.01 | suifur | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.04 | abrotman | ratonn: is the site under heavy load? |
| 15:44.15 | WiFiTux | abrotman, it does have SMP support for it, but doesn't have a Specific HT thingie for overhead that is only HT specific in the CPU part of the kernel. |
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| 15:44.28 | takatumi | directhex|work: in that chart, where would ATI radeon IGP340 be? |
| 15:44.38 | petemc | WiFiTux: huh |
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| 15:44.52 | ratonn | abrotman: about 250 active users within last 10 minutes |
| 15:44.58 | ratonn | forum-ish kinda site |
| 15:45.00 | abrotman | ratonn: pages / minute? |
| 15:45.03 | directhex|work | takatumi, that's roughly a 9000 isn';t it? |
| 15:45.22 | ratonn | abrotman: how do i fidn that out? |
| 15:45.24 | WiFiTux | petemc, 2.6 has a thingie only for HT for some overhead feature. 2.4 Doesn't. Now SMP will take care of both CPU's. |
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| 15:45.28 | abrotman | ratonn: apache logs :) |
| 15:45.38 | abrotman | ratonn: webalizer or some such thing |
| 15:45.40 | ratonn | heh, lemme calculate it |
| 15:45.53 | abrotman | ratonn: maybe run ntop to see how much data is coming in/going out? |
| 15:45.53 | directhex|work | takatumi, a 9000, 9100, 9200, and 8500le are effectively the same card, so ballpark would be to look at what an a8500le gets (or regular 8500 and subtact a bit) |
| 15:46.04 | takatumi | directhex|work: dunno, it's RS200/200M |
| 15:46.09 | ratonn | ~97 pages / minute |
| 15:46.15 | petemc | WiFiTux: i cant quite grasp what you're saying. in 2.4 kernels you have acpi processor enumeration, which is what you need for HT |
| 15:46.39 | directhex|work | takatumi, r200 is 8500 core, so yes |
| 15:46.39 | abrotman | ratonn: that's not much at all |
| 15:46.44 | WiFiTux | petemc, correct. is that only 2.6 has an extra feature to prevent an HT overhead, that's all. |
| 15:46.50 | ratonn | abrotman: exactly why i'm worried |
| 15:46.55 | ratonn | do I need acpi enabled? |
| 15:46.58 | PeQua | Is there a command what we could execute with a cron daily and syncronisize alle file from /home/user to /backup/user ? |
| 15:46.58 | ratonn | that's off in my kernel |
| 15:47.08 | ratonn | seemed only useful for laptop stuff |
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| 15:47.18 | abrotman | ratonn: you could be an ass and run 'ab' on it .. see what happens :) |
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| 15:47.26 | takatumi | directhex|work: I don't think this one reaches that high, haven't tried it in windows though, xorg gives 3D but the fps is not that high. |
| 15:47.55 | directhex|work | takatumi, oh, you mean with dri? de=ivide all figures you see by about 7 for dri results, divide by 3 for fglrx |
| 15:47.56 | acetech | to use the dd command, do i just enter dd /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1? |
| 15:47.59 | WiFiTux | petemc, SMT (Hyperthreading) scheduler support CONFIG_SCHED_SMT |
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| 15:48.21 | dikdust | hi |
| 15:48.35 | ratonn | abrotman: do you if acpi affects HT performance? |
| 15:48.36 | petemc | WiFiTux: interesting |
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| 15:48.49 | WiFiTux | petemc, that's the only difference, anyway... |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | ratonn: i don't know that .. but i thikn you need it |
| 15:48.59 | dikdust | Is possible to record dvd in debian woody ? |
| 15:49.04 | ratonn | WiFiTUx? |
| 15:49.06 | ratonn | do you know? |
| 15:49.12 | ratonn | you seem to be talking about acpi and HT |
| 15:49.12 | abrotman | ratonn: perhaps direct that at petemc or WiFiTux .. they seem to be discussing HT at length |
| 15:49.13 | greycat | dikdust: it would be *painful* |
| 15:49.21 | dikdust | uhm |
| 15:49.23 | directhex|work | dikdust, could you write dvds in july 2002? |
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| 15:49.26 | takatumi | directhex|work: ah, that makes sense then. |
| 15:49.27 | streuner__ | dikdust: sure, read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/debian.README |
| 15:49.29 | acetech | dikdust, k3b will record dvds |
| 15:49.32 | WiFiTux | ratonn, to know what? :| |
| 15:49.39 | directhex|work | acetech, it will on sarge/sid, yes |
| 15:49.43 | dikdust | k3b won't install from apt-get |
| 15:49.48 | ratonn | [10:48am] <ratonn> abrotman: do you if acpi affects HT performance? |
| 15:49.55 | abrotman | WiFiTux: ^^ |
| 15:49.57 | ratonn | WiFiTuxdo you if acpi affects HT performance? |
| 15:49.58 | greycat | dikdust: just upgrade to sarge. You'll be happier. |
| 15:50.05 | streuner__ | dikdust: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:50.11 | acetech | dikdust, upgrade to sarge |
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| 15:50.32 | directhex|work | dikdust, why do you want to use woody on a desktop box? |
| 15:50.50 | WiFiTux | ratonn, I don't see how it would. But the best thing, is to disable ACPI, test your server. Enable ACPI, test the server and you let me know! :) |
| 15:51.06 | ratonn | first i'm gonna disable HT and see how that goes |
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| 15:51.15 | dikdust | directhex|work: no is a server |
| 15:51.16 | ratonn | thanks for the help abrotman! |
| 15:51.17 | kyra | kelkkun ki parle franēais ici? |
| 15:51.19 | ratonn | l8! |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | ratonn: don't forget to ask #mysql |
| 15:51.24 | acetech | anybody know how to use dd commmand to copy an entire drive over to another drive? |
| 15:51.25 | dikdust | with hylafax web dns and others .. |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | dikdust: if it's internal .. my fax server is internal and runs sarge |
| 15:51.44 | dikdust | I have backported some packet or compiled byt myseld |
| 15:52.14 | GarySaved | /part |
| 15:52.20 | dikdust | abrotman: yes is an internal server but with many important service |
| 15:52.25 | abrotman | dikdust: that's no better than just migrating to sarge |
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| 15:52.32 | greycat | dikdust: then you shouldn't be running KDE on it. |
| 15:52.37 | directhex|work | dikdust, so backport or compile a 2.4.28 kernel, and new cd recording tools |
| 15:52.38 | WiFiTux | ratonn, why would you disable HT!?!? test acpi |
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| 15:52.47 | dikdust | greycat: is also a nagios monitor .. |
| 15:52.52 | dikdust | .:D |
| 15:52.54 | abrotman | why would you be burnning CDs on a server? |
| 15:53.01 | dikdust | dvd to backup |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | commandline? |
| 15:53.07 | EdibleText | kyra, #debian-fr ici nous parlon anglais |
| 15:53.18 | kyra | thx |
| 15:53.28 | dikdust | abrotman: no problem if I can |
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| 15:53.32 | dikdust | I prefer it |
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| 15:53.47 | dikdust | cipro:/usr/share/doc/cdrecord# grep "dvd" * |
| 15:53.47 | dikdust | cipro:/usr/share/doc/cdrecord# |
| 15:53.50 | dikdust | :( |
| 15:53.58 | bugslayer | cya guy |
| 15:54.00 | directhex|work | grep -i you mean |
| 15:54.02 | bugslayer | *S |
| 15:54.07 | dikdust | whoops |
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| 15:54.15 | dikdust | ahr is in the alias |
| 15:54.18 | greycat | dikdust: trep zgrep, too. |
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| 15:54.24 | greycat | trep.... sheesh. |
| 15:54.28 | greycat | dikdust: try zgrep, too. |
| 15:54.47 | takatumi | why are there so many greps? |
| 15:54.49 | FieldySnuts | badgergrep --enable-wangtek ? |
| 15:55.06 | takatumi | wasted resources. |
| 15:55.08 | dikdust | not to much doc |
| 15:55.14 | caphuso | takatumi: there aren't |
| 15:55.15 | FieldySnuts | oh no, a 13KB binary. so wasted. |
| 15:55.17 | dikdust | I will try from command line therefore |
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| 15:55.40 | dud | I wonder, am I old fashioned because I prefer to burn cds at maximum 16x |
| 15:55.47 | hp_omnifook_2000 | hello, I'm having some trouble here with activating APM. What I've done: |
| 15:55.54 | dikdust | dud: 4x ... |
| 15:55.55 | dikdust | :D |
| 15:55.58 | directhex|work | dud, you just have shit media that requires you to do so |
| 15:55.58 | takatumi | caphuso: so all grep, zgrep, fgrep are all the same? |
| 15:55.59 | FieldySnuts | dud: no need anymore with modern disks, the disks are fine, the media is fine |
| 15:55.59 | greycat | dud: no, my CD-RWs are 4x. |
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| 15:56.09 | hoe | how do I setup the minimal password complexity required to log in? |
| 15:56.12 | spdf | I'm burning at 2x as we speak... |
| 15:56.15 | FieldySnuts | i write cd's at 48X and dvd's at 12x, no probs |
| 15:56.15 | hp_omnifook_2000 | I added "acpi=off apm=on" to grub |
| 15:56.19 | spdf | DVD though.. |
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| 15:56.25 | caphuso | takatumi: pretty much. try looking inside zgrep and fgrep with less |
| 15:56.28 | dikdust | spdf: with woody ? |
| 15:56.29 | dikdust | :D |
| 15:56.30 | dud | directhex|work, I could burn it at 40x, the media supports >=52x |
| 15:56.33 | spdf | Hello no.. |
| 15:56.36 | spdf | -o |
| 15:56.36 | hp_omnifook_2000 | and installed apmd (I'm running sarge) |
| 15:56.44 | takatumi | caphuso: will do. |
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| 15:56.49 | dud | I just think its safer and less likely to screw up stuff |
| 15:57.12 | FieldySnuts | these days that's rare, you're pretty much wasting your time |
| 15:57.20 | hp_omnifook_2000 | but theres no effect at all ... |
| 15:57.46 | dud | especially audio cd, I've experienced with my own ears that überfast burning results in audio quality loss |
| 15:58.00 | greycat | it probably depends on the drive |
| 15:58.03 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: try acpi=npacpi |
| 15:58.17 | FieldySnuts | must have a pretty crappy drive/media/slow system |
| 15:58.17 | dud | it sounds so bloody weird and makes no sense... but I'll trust my ears more than my sense |
| 15:58.17 | takatumi | acpi=noacpi |
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| 15:58.31 | FieldySnuts | could be SIGID10T but who knows |
| 15:58.37 | shark_ | hello, is there a way to block the cpu/ram consumation of a specific user please ? |
| 15:58.37 | dud | FieldySnuts, amd64 3000+ with 1gb ram and a new benq drive |
| 15:58.38 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: what does this do? i want to disable acpi and enable apm ... |
| 15:58.59 | FieldySnuts | never heard of benq, I swear by plextor |
| 15:59.01 | hp_omnifook_2000 | ok, got it |
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| 15:59.05 | dud | its pretty state-of-the-art |
| 15:59.31 | virgomoon | shark_: there is a way. I just read about it last week but the details escape me. |
| 16:00.08 | acetech | anybody know how to copy a drive over to another drive? |
| 16:00.11 | shark_ | virgomoon: can you show me where to look at ? |
| 16:00.22 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: in some cases, acpi=off doesn't work, if you can still see traces of it in dmesg, try acpi=noacpi instead. |
| 16:00.33 | caphuso | maybe |
| 16:00.42 | PeQua | Hello, is there a command to syncronize 2 directory like /home/user to /backup/user , to run each night to make backups each night |
| 16:00.51 | SlayerXP | PeQua: rsync |
| 16:00.54 | shark_ | PeQua: rsync |
| 16:00.58 | EdibleText | PeQua, rsync |
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| 16:01.01 | PeQua | i'm traying with rsync |
| 16:01.04 | pinion_ | rsync |
| 16:01.09 | PeQua | but when i p.e delete an folder |
| 16:01.18 | PeQua | he doesn't delete it on /backup/user |
| 16:01.19 | FieldySnuts | p.e. ? |
| 16:01.23 | acetech | will rsync backup an entire drive as well? |
| 16:01.25 | PeQua | per example, sorry |
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| 16:01.42 | FieldySnuts | are you doing --delete ? you may also have to do --ignore-errors |
| 16:01.55 | FieldySnuts | doesn't do either by default |
| 16:02.12 | EdibleText | acetech, you can mirror a working system with rsync; just be sure to run lilo or equivelent before you reboot |
| 16:02.29 | FieldySnuts | for an entire system, be positive you do rsync -aD the D is for devices |
| 16:02.37 | virgomoon | shark_: I'm not finding anything of CPU time quotas, just disk quotas and permission stuff. |
| 16:02.51 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: and does your bios support apm? |
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| 16:03.12 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: hmm, I'm restarting with "acpi=noacpi apm=on" now ... |
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| 16:03.15 | PeQua | tnx FieldySnuts: |
| 16:03.25 | shark_ | virgomoon: disk quota i know but i want to lock ram/cpu |
| 16:03.31 | shark_ | virgomoon: freebsd does it :( |
| 16:03.48 | KimHansen | shark_: look at ulimit |
| 16:03.53 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: mine is a compaq presario, apm support is crappy. |
| 16:03.58 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: might take a while (omnibook 2000 @ PII 233Mhz) |
| 16:04.00 | virgomoon | shark_: how dows FreeBSD do it? I've got one of those running downstairs. |
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| 16:05.14 | shark_ | virgomoon: login.conf or something (in /etc) |
| 16:05.15 | directhex|work | Czakol, debian 3.0 was released in july 2002 |
| 16:05.21 | shark_ | KimHansen: oki i'll checkit out |
| 16:05.26 | directhex|work | Czakol, serial ata didn't EXIST then |
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| 16:05.38 | Czakol | directhex|work: what ever, i donwload it 2 weeks ago, mayby don't 3.0 |
| 16:05.47 | virgomoon | shark_: should be a similar mechanism in Debian, right? |
| 16:05.54 | Czakol | woody |
| 16:05.57 | Czakol | debian woody |
| 16:06.01 | shark_ | virgomoon: i'm not sure coz it's based on kernel |
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| 16:06.49 | directhex|work | Czakol, woody was released in 2002. |
| 16:07.03 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 16:07.04 | iMeXdiAC | id like to limit my bandwidth usage what should i use (kernel 2.6) |
| 16:07.05 | dpkg | somebody said woody hardware support was firmly rooted around its release data - July 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 16:07.38 | virgomoon | shark_: try this link toward the bottom of the page. www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=1493 |
| 16:07.45 | Czakol | directhex|work: hmm... i download debian 2 week ago ;/ |
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| 16:08.00 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: command "apm" still says "no apm support in kernel" ... |
| 16:08.02 | directhex|work | Czakol, yes. you downloaded debian Stable 3.0 (woody). |
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| 16:08.20 | hp_omnifook_2000 | perhaps there's something in the kernel config to set up? |
| 16:08.21 | Czakol | it's old? |
| 16:08.25 | directhex|work | Czakol, debian Sarge (3.1, currently testing) is a little more recent, and had been a work in progress for 3 years |
| 16:08.29 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: what does dmesg say? check with dmesg |less |
| 16:08.41 | directhex|work | Czakol, woody is antiquem and only useful on old kit as a server |
| 16:09.09 | Czakol | can you give mi url, www, for newest version debian? |
| 16:09.16 | Czakol | directhex|work: hmm, so have can i install debian on s-ata disc? |
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| 16:09.28 | acetech | can i run rsync with the device location instead of a directory stucture? |
| 16:09.29 | directhex|work | Czakol, sure, easy. |
| 16:09.31 | directhex|work | !d-i |
| 16:09.31 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 16:09.44 | directhex|work | Czakol, go to that url, download, burn, boot. done. |
| 16:10.07 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: "acpi disabled because your bios is from 98 and too old" |
| 16:10.10 | Czakol | hmm |
| 16:10.13 | Czakol | too much options? ;] |
| 16:10.18 | Czakol | what is full for x86 |
| 16:10.26 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: nothing against this, i don't want to use acpi anyway ... |
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| 16:10.30 | directhex|work | Czakol, full? you want all fourteen CDs? |
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| 16:10.50 | Czakol | yyy |
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| 16:10.59 | Czakol | no |
| 16:10.59 | Czakol | ;] |
| 16:11.05 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: well I don't think you have apm support either. |
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| 16:11.16 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: further: "You can enable it with acpi=force" |
| 16:11.17 | Czakol | but mayby fourteen and small for fun and learn two ;] |
| 16:11.17 | directhex|work | Czakol, download either the i386 netinst, or cd number 1 from the i386 complete set |
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| 16:11.32 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: that was what I was going to suggest. |
| 16:11.39 | WhyDuck | which networking cards have i choose in instalation ? |
| 16:11.43 | virgomoon | Has anyone noticed that there are now 15 cds in the sarge distro? wtf? |
| 16:11.55 | directhex|work | 15? that's gonr up again |
| 16:11.58 | WhyDuck | i am talking about network cards supporting |
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| 16:12.04 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: my previous os was win98, there i had suspend and save-to-disk and so on ... |
| 16:12.16 | directhex|work | 15 cds, on 11 arches, makes 165 cds for a complete debian set :) |
| 16:12.34 | virgomoon | yeah, but there's plenty of room on #14. 14 is 477M and 15 is 29M. |
| 16:12.35 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: acpi=force? |
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| 16:12.50 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: yeah, try it. |
| 16:12.54 | directhex|work | virgomoon, sssh ;) |
| 16:12.58 | virgomoon | Is Debian really used widely enough to justify all that? |
| 16:13.02 | directhex|work | !overfiendphallus |
| 16:13.04 | virgomoon | directhex|work: lol |
| 16:13.11 | directhex|work | !overfiendphalus |
| 16:13.17 | directhex|work | !listkeys overfiend |
| 16:13.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'overfiend' by key (2 shown): overfiend ;; overfiendsphallus. |
| 16:13.25 | directhex|work | !overfiendsphallus |
| 16:13.25 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 16:13.27 | KimHansen | hp_omnifook_2000: I think that Omnibook has either APM og ACPI depending on the BIOS version |
| 16:13.29 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:13.36 | simonrvn | @+qoty |
| 16:13.37 | ravenbird | <Overfiend>ALL RIGHT YOU BASTARDS; THIS IS THE ASSHOLE XFREE86 MAINTAINER; AND LIKE MOST DRUNKS, I AM TALKING TOO LOUDLY; BUT I FUCKED UP AND FORGOT TO s/experimental/unstable/; SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE BITCHING; THE BUILD WILL BE DONE BY MORNING, MY TIME, AND IT SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN TIME FOR DINSTALL TODAY, 18 FEBRUARY; SO KWITCHER BITCHIN', AND DON'T BITCH AT DEBIAN DEVELOPERS IN THIS CHANNEL; .... see QOTY2 |
| 16:13.41 | simonrvn | @+qoty2 |
| 16:13.42 | ravenbird | ... WANNA BITCH, SUBSCRIBE TO THE DEBIAN-X MAILING LIST |
| 16:14.18 | virgomoon | wtf was that? |
| 16:14.34 | KimHansen | Quote of the year? |
| 16:14.37 | dud | wtf heh |
| 16:14.40 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:14.44 | virgomoon | oh |
| 16:14.51 | nostalg1c | is that authentic? :) |
| 16:15.00 | directhex|work | which year? |
| 16:15.01 | simonrvn | it was when x 4.3.0 was getting uploaded to unstable |
| 16:15.03 | virgomoon | Is anything in here authentic? |
| 16:15.06 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 16:15.16 | directhex|work | @factinfo qoty |
| 16:15.21 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: at least i hope so :) |
| 16:15.26 | directhex|work | stupid bot |
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| 16:15.37 | acetech | how do i use rsync to copy a drive from the master to the slave drive? |
| 16:15.42 | simonrvn | directhex|work: that part's borked for some reason. still need to check it out |
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| 16:15.50 | shark_ | virgomoon: ulimit does it, i'll try it |
| 16:15.52 | shark_ | virgomoon: thanks |
| 16:15.55 | shark_ | thanks everyone :) |
| 16:15.56 | shark_ | bye \n |
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| 16:16.00 | directhex|work | actually... |
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| 16:16.03 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 16:16.11 | directhex|work | there, a proper scapegoat |
| 16:16.13 | virgomoon | shark_: wow, I helped somebody. This is the dawning of a new day. |
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| 16:16.26 | dvs | !beer virgomoon |
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| 16:16.39 | mario__ | hello to all!! |
| 16:16.40 | virgomoon | Thanks all. |
| 16:16.44 | dud | mmm boddingtons |
| 16:16.56 | simonrvn | @lart aRts |
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| 16:17.15 | orjan | At boot I get msg about shpchp and pciehp doesn't load. Is that a problem or can I just blacklist them? |
| 16:17.27 | gilles | i connected via a router to the internet, i have a website, i can connect to it with an address which is not my dns address, people from exterior can't access to the website via this address nor via my dns address (which has been redirected from Port 80 to Port 80), what can i do to fix the pb ? |
| 16:17.27 | directhex|work | orjan, do you have PCI Express? |
| 16:17.34 | dud | you can blacklist those orjan |
| 16:17.35 | orjan | no |
| 16:17.45 | directhex|work | orjan, so i don;t think you have a problem |
| 16:17.50 | dud | at least if everything works when it fails loading them |
| 16:17.53 | directhex|work | !tell dikdust about woody->sarge |
| 16:17.58 | orjan | directhex|work: ok, thanls |
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| 16:18.15 | mario__ | I don't write English well, I give my best |
| 16:18.19 | dikdust | directhex|work: I have read bout'it there :) |
| 16:18.21 | dud | gilles, you have to set up NAT properly |
| 16:18.39 | gilles | dud: yes, it's set already |
| 16:18.39 | virgomoon | mario__: So far it looks like English to me. |
| 16:18.44 | coywolf | i want to run xdesktopwaves automatically since gdm, how to? |
| 16:18.51 | dud | not properly |
| 16:18.52 | directhex|work | coywolf, which window manager? |
| 16:18.53 | snail | gilles __properly__ ? |
| 16:19.01 | dud | if you set it up properly it would work |
| 16:19.03 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: hmm it seems to have freezed ... |
| 16:19.10 | coywolf | directhex|work, xfce |
| 16:19.12 | coywolf | directhex|work, xfce4 |
| 16:19.31 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: "ACPI: subsystem revision 20040326" |
| 16:19.34 | directhex|work | coywolf, make a script in ~/Desktop/Autostart/ |
| 16:19.45 | dud | coywolf, you can use update-alternatives to set your x-window-manager |
| 16:19.47 | gilles | snail: i don't know... |
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| 16:20.07 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: "ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to level trigger." |
| 16:21.00 | virgomoon | mario__: That's alright. I'm from Ohio, they only know a few around here, too. |
| 16:21.00 | coywolf | dud, set it to what? |
| 16:21.00 | Lusid | Would an Intel Xeon processor be considered a 686. I want to upgrade my kernel, and I'm unsure about it. |
| 16:21.00 | coywolf | directhex|work, i want it run since in gdm |
| 16:21.00 | coywolf | directhex|work, i want it run since in gdm login |
| 16:21.00 | dud | coywolf, if you give the x-window-manager you want to use the highest priority, that one will be started by xdm |
| 16:21.01 | sussudio | Lusid: look it up on intel's site. Xeons go from P2 to P4. |
| 16:21.02 | directhex|work | coywolf, then you need to edit the startxfce4 script |
| 16:21.02 | Lusid | sussudio: Alright, thanks man. |
| 16:21.15 | directhex|work | Lusid, xeon would be either 686 or em64t, depending on model |
| 16:21.21 | coywolf | directhex|work, gdm calls startxfce4? |
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| 16:21.31 | dud | s/xdm/gdm/kdm/etc etc |
| 16:21.36 | directhex|work | coywolf, yes. |
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| 16:21.54 | Lusid | directhex|work: Alright, thanks for the hints. Big help. |
| 16:22.14 | dud | isnt sussudio that phil collin song btw? |
| 16:22.17 | directhex|work | Lusid, em64t is for new Nocona-core xeons |
| 16:22.34 | coywolf | directhex|work, can i make a symbol link in ~/Desktop/Autostart/ to point to xdesktopwave? |
| 16:22.39 | Czakol | directhex|work: thx I see now ;] |
| 16:23.02 | Lusid | directhex|work: Well, this came directly from Dell... it's a PowerEdge 2650... not sure about the actual processor. |
| 16:23.04 | directhex|work | coywolf, maybe. i have a script to do all my autostarts |
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| 16:23.46 | coywolf | directhex|work, xfce4 seems not have Autostart/ |
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| 16:24.10 | coywolf | directhex|work, ~/Desktop/ contains no subdir |
| 16:24.23 | directhex|work | coywolf, make it! |
| 16:24.46 | pingouin_ | Lusid: maybe /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 16:25.05 | directhex|work | seems to use old 32bit xeons from what i can tell |
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| 16:25.24 | mario__ | I've sarge in production servers. But many people tell me that is not good |
| 16:25.46 | Lusid | directhex|work: Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. |
| 16:25.48 | dikdust | uhm there isn't sarge security repository ? |
| 16:25.51 | simonrvn | mario__: it doesn't get security updates like woody does |
| 16:25.55 | dvs | dikdust: no |
| 16:25.56 | mario__ | what do you thing?? |
| 16:25.59 | simonrvn | dikdust: no |
| 16:26.02 | dikdust | ok |
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| 16:26.15 | coywolf | directhex|work, is this ok? |
| 16:26.16 | directhex|work | mario__, no speedy security updates on sarge yet. |
| 16:26.17 | coywolf | #!/bin/sh |
| 16:26.18 | coywolf | xdesktopwaves -st 2 -rn 2 & |
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| 16:26.25 | coywolf | directhex|work, need i put & ? |
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| 16:26.44 | directhex|work | coywolf, probably. i'm more a glmatrix xscreensaver module fan |
| 16:28.01 | stiller | has anybody here ever performed an automated stress test on their debian server? I've built a mailserver for virtual users and I'd like to test this set-up, without any users. Any ideas, apart from running a script from anothers server and bluntly sending 1000's of mails? |
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| 16:29.02 | nsanity | does anyone here use ndiswrapper + sarge + 2.6.8.1 |
| 16:29.09 | mario__ | then, it's better return to woody?? |
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| 16:29.26 | directhex|work | mario__, weeeelll.... does the hardware work with woody? |
| 16:29.28 | moore | i search knoppix terminal server how to |
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| 16:29.54 | sussudio | moore: #knoppix |
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| 16:30.05 | tirkal | how do I change my prompt to say just "/var/www$" instead of "user@hostname:/var/www$" ? |
| 16:30.20 | sussudio | tirkal: google for bash prompt howto |
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| 16:30.30 | tirkal | sussudio: thanks |
| 16:30.37 | nolf | need some help guyz |
| 16:30.48 | nolf | m usin knoppix 3.6 wid kde 3.2.3 |
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| 16:30.55 | hp_omnifook_2000 | does anybody know a quick way of changing a system's name? |
| 16:30.58 | sussudio | nolf: #knoppix |
| 16:30.59 | davidcsi | ok, quick question: I'm trying to install debian and it just got confused. I have 2 IDE drives and 1 SCSI drive. When Debian writes the fstab and the menu.lst it does not identifies the drives correctly. does anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 16:31.03 | nolf | n i upgraded k3b |
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| 16:31.18 | nolf | which is continously crashin wid signal error 11 SIGSEGV |
| 16:31.49 | directhex|work | nolf, which part of this is debian related? |
| 16:32.05 | nolf | i dint get u |
| 16:32.10 | moore | please help me i searching for knoppix terminal server how to |
| 16:32.10 | nolf | plz elucidate |
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| 16:32.16 | abrotman | sussudio: how did you decipher that? |
| 16:32.17 | pipeline | I miss EFnet #debian, where he would already have been banned for his idiotic spelling |
| 16:32.18 | sussudio | fuck off knoppix dorks |
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| 16:32.24 | abrotman | nolf: shut up .. this isn't #knoppix |
| 16:32.24 | pipeline | !u |
| 16:32.24 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:32.30 | pipeline | !ne1 |
| 16:32.30 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 16:32.31 | pipeline | !wud |
| 16:32.32 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
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| 16:32.39 | nolf | but knoppix is a debin distro only |
| 16:32.45 | sussudio | troll. |
| 16:32.51 | directhex|work | !essentially debian |
| 16:32.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, essentially debian is yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either. Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian |
| 16:32.55 | directhex|work | !debian solutions |
| 16:32.55 | dpkg | debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distributions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 16:32.55 | nolf | i mean based on it |
| 16:33.01 | directhex|work | !based on |
| 16:33.01 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 16:33.01 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 16:33.06 | directhex|work | i'm done. |
| 16:33.09 | sussudio | nolf: FUCK OFF |
| 16:33.12 | abrotman | nolf: IOW ... not here |
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| 16:33.15 | pipeline | nolf: Debian is the most-forked of all distributions. There's dozens of forks. Dozens. We don't know shit about any of them. Install sarge. |
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| 16:33.31 | random_user | how do you pin packages using debian so it will upgrade all packages in testing, but stop at stable |
| 16:33.36 | mario__ | mario__, weeeelll.... does the hardware work with woody? -> I've 1 IDE and 3 SCSI. I can use tha ide disk for base system. That is not a problem ; ) |
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| 16:34.00 | PeQua | FieldySnuts: i'm trying your cmd now: rsync -aD /dev/hda6 /dev/hdd6 but it is over in only 1 second (40GB on drive) and nothing is changed |
| 16:34.04 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: so acpi works? |
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| 16:34.23 | pipeline | nolf: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso http://tinyurl.com/3robo |
| 16:34.29 | coywolf | anyone runs nvidia driver? |
| 16:34.32 | coywolf | i need help |
| 16:34.38 | directhex|work | nolf, your problem is likely to be due to non-matching versions of kde libraries. brokemn library dependancies is a common sympton of not running debian |
| 16:34.39 | abrotman | !nvidia debs |
| 16:34.39 | dpkg | i guess nvidia debs is Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 16:34.45 | directhex|work | coywolf, what's wrong with it? |
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| 16:34.54 | mario__ | someboy use sarge in productions servers?? |
| 16:35.03 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: no, it doesn't |
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| 16:35.22 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: it froze |
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| 16:35.31 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: what kernel? |
| 16:35.36 | mario__ | somebody use sarge in productions servers?? (sorry) |
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| 16:35.38 | coywolf | directhex|work, it installed docs, where are the docs? |
| 16:35.47 | nolf | cud u plz tell me how to install an older ver of k3b |
| 16:35.57 | nolf | after removin the latest one wid new libraries |
| 16:36.00 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: 2.6.8.1-386 |
| 16:36.04 | asg | mario__: it isn't advised unless you know what you are doing and are prepared to deal with the attendant security issues. |
| 16:36.07 | directhex|work | coywolf, in /usr/share/doc/nvidia* ? |
| 16:36.13 | pipeline | nolf: You are either a troll or a fool. Install Debian, then come back and ask for help. Until then, shut your hole. |
| 16:36.17 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: or say, it stopped bootstrapping |
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| 16:36.30 | abrotman | nolf: seriously .. go away .. we don't know anything about knoppix .. there is a #knoppix for that |
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| 16:36.36 | directhex|work | nolf, you have a knoppix problem. we can't help you. if you ran debian, we could give you debian solutions |
| 16:36.37 | coywolf | directhex|work, are you sure? are they there in you box? i can't find here |
| 16:36.42 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: maybe read up on getting apm to work then. |
| 16:36.50 | asg | abrotman: we know one thing about knoppix, it doesn't work worth a toss on IBM HS20's |
| 16:36.50 | directhex|work | coywolf, did you use nvidia-installer? |
| 16:36.59 | nolf | nyway thnx 4 ur help |
| 16:37.00 | abrotman | asg: i'm .. surprised |
| 16:37.01 | takatumi | or try compiling acpi static. |
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| 16:37.02 | coywolf | directhex|work, i think so |
| 16:37.07 | nolf | i used synaptic |
| 16:37.16 | asg | abrotman: it can't even find it's cd-rom after boot ;) |
| 16:37.17 | abrotman | holy mother of god .... nolf .. go away |
| 16:37.19 | Dech | would anyone be able to tell me how to correct the following problem, when i ./make.sh for my ati drivers, it says gcc: couldn't run `i486-linux-gcc-2.95.4': No such file or directory |
| 16:37.27 | abrotman | asg: usb cddrive eh? |
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| 16:37.30 | asg | Dech: apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:37.32 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 16:37.33 | coywolf | directhex|work, i have NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run |
| 16:37.41 | pipeline | coywolf: Don't do that. |
| 16:37.41 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: what do you mean? i've looked up a lot in google and debian.org |
| 16:37.41 | directhex|work | coywolf, then FUCK knows where it put things. _NEVER_ use nvidia-installer on debian |
| 16:37.46 | directhex|work | !nvidia-installer |
| 16:37.46 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia howto> |
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| 16:37.49 | Dech | asg: thanks |
| 16:37.49 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i had a friend with a similar problem .. he made a custom kernel |
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| 16:38.02 | asg | abrotman: as did I, including a custom live cd ;P |
| 16:38.06 | abrotman | yay |
| 16:38.08 | asg | Dech: you're welcome |
| 16:38.09 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 16:38.12 | asg | woot |
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| 16:38.15 | takatumi | hp_omnifook_2000: maybe upgrade the bios or something, uncharted territory here. |
| 16:38.18 | coywolf | directhex|work, i use NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run, is it nvidia-installer? |
| 16:38.23 | coywolf | pipeline, do what? |
| 16:38.26 | nsanity | Is there a better howto on compiling ndiswrapper for debian sarge? LIke one that shows how with make-kpgd modules_image |
| 16:38.29 | pipeline | coywolf: The nvidia driver consists of three things: An XFree86 driver, a kernel driver, and proprietary OpenGL libraries. It's the last part that will fuck up your system if you use the stuff you download from nVidia. |
| 16:38.29 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 16:38.30 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 16:38.41 | abrotman | yay |
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| 16:39.26 | hp_omnifook_2000 | takatumi: i seriously doubt there's any newer bios available for such an old thing, but well ... i'm gonna look up more pages, thx for now |
| 16:39.35 | coywolf | pipeline, how do you know the last part fuck up my system? |
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| 16:39.59 | coywolf | pipeline, the nvidia driver works ok for me |
| 16:40.01 | Dech | Hmm, alas, still the same thing :( gcc: couldn't run `i486-linux-gcc-2.95.4': No such file or directory |
| 16:40.01 | Dech | ./make.sh: line 60: [: !=: unary operator expected |
| 16:40.16 | moore | linux terminal server for debian how to |
| 16:40.22 | pipeline | coywolf: hahah, have fun then. It's still a bad idea. |
| 16:40.25 | abrotman | is that a question? |
| 16:40.27 | abrotman | !ltsp |
| 16:40.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 16:40.45 | Dech | the apt got g++ 4:3.3.5-1 |
| 16:40.51 | coywolf | pipeline, then where should i get nvidia driver? |
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| 16:41.00 | coywolf | pipeline, from |
| 16:41.05 | directhex|work | coywolf, yes, if it's from nvidia.com, it uses nvidia-installer, it doesn't work well at ALL on debian. there's a reason there are debian packages |
| 16:41.09 | tarzeau | how can i run some tool when a special usb device of vendor 1161 prodid 0300 is plugged in? |
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| 16:41.17 | valdyn_ | !find libGL.so sid |
| 16:41.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: a script to watch for it? |
| 16:41.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: doesn't hotplug provide all for this? |
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| 16:41.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so' (5 shown; 8 total): (/var/lib/lsbdev/stub_libs/libGL.so) in devel/lsbdev ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.6629) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.4.500) in libs/mesag3,libs/mesag3-glide2,libs/mesag3+ggi ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2, /usr/X11R6/lib/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.2}) in libs/xlibmesa-gl. |
| 16:42.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. maybe ... is there a hotplug.d you can put stuff in when a certain device is plugged in/ |
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| 16:42.01 | abrotman | ? |
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| 16:42.11 | coywolf | directhex|work, debian package isn't updated as nvidia's |
| 16:42.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah where can i find real documentation with examples? |
| 16:42.26 | abrotman | !hotplug |
| 16:42.26 | dpkg | from memory, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/, or see discover |
| 16:42.28 | abrotman | hmmm |
| 16:42.30 | abrotman | there maybe? |
| 16:42.31 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:42.43 | directhex|work | coywolf, the package in sid is. |
| 16:42.53 | directhex|work | coywolf, it's also very buggy |
| 16:42.56 | abrotman | !hotplug =~ s#/,#/ ,# |
| 16:42.56 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 16:42.59 | abrotman | !hotplug |
| 16:43.00 | dpkg | hotplug is probably a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover |
| 16:43.02 | abrotman | much better |
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| 16:43.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: the other worked finewith my irssi |
| 16:43.22 | coywolf | directhex|work, what's the package name? |
| 16:43.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: sorry .. i really don't know a better place to find an example |
| 16:43.31 | coywolf | !nvidia |
| 16:43.32 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 16:43.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll try to find something |
| 16:43.48 | Dech | Still got the ATI problem, same error, the apt returned and installed g++ 4:3.3.5-1 |
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| 16:44.11 | debiannb | hello, anyone can help me to create symbolic shortcurt (for a folder) |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | how about we ask nvidia to open source thier drivers :) |
| 16:44.22 | asg | debiannb: man ln |
| 16:44.23 | tarzeau | dpkg folder |
| 16:44.23 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 16:44.25 | abrotman | debiannb: man ln |
| 16:44.28 | debiannb | i know that is command "ln" |
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| 16:45.30 | debiannb | ln /usr/src/kernel2610 /usr/src/linux is correctæ? |
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| 16:45.49 | abrotman | man ln |
| 16:45.52 | abrotman | !symlink |
| 16:45.52 | dpkg | Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first |
| 16:45.54 | asg | debiannb: you forgot the '-s' (man ln) |
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| 16:46.11 | PeQua | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.15 | directhex|work | coywolf, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 16:46.22 | debiannb | ok i made it! |
| 16:46.30 | greycat | not a very great haiku... |
| 16:46.34 | pinion_ | wow |
| 16:47.09 | takatumi | some nvidiaite should make that ^^ a factoid. |
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| 16:47.34 | coywolf | directhex|work, i only use vanilla kernel |
| 16:47.43 | greycat | I don't suppose m-a is the actual command... |
| 16:47.57 | directhex|work | greycat, you suppose wrong |
| 16:48.09 | directhex|work | greycat, it's a symlink to module-assistant, but i'm a lazy typist |
| 16:48.16 | directhex|work | !find bin/m-a |
| 16:48.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/m-a' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/m-a) in misc/module-assistant. |
| 16:48.37 | coywolf | directhex|work, i needn't echo nvidia >> /etc/modules, xfree86 server will load it |
| 16:48.47 | asg | ewww, commands with '-'s in them |
| 16:48.48 | directhex|work | coywolf, not if you have udev or devfs it won't |
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| 16:49.31 | directhex|work | coywolf, read man module-assistant to see how to use a non-debian kernel source folder. i think -k /path/to/source does it |
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| 16:49.47 | coywolf | directhex|work, i don't have udev or devfs, and nvidia still loads |
| 16:49.54 | gilles | where can i configure an adr for my http serveur in apache2 |
| 16:49.55 | gilles | ? |
| 16:49.59 | coywolf | directhex|work, without in /etc/modules |
| 16:50.02 | tombs | good afternoon |
| 16:50.03 | directhex|work | coywolf, if you don't have udev or devfs, then correct. |
| 16:50.18 | asg | gilles: grep -ilr servername /etc/apache2 |
| 16:50.19 | coywolf | debian shoudn't fuck with the kernel |
| 16:50.19 | virgomoon | I'm d/l'ing the latest sarge distro with jigdo. I set it up using the '{1..14}' param in jigdo-lite. Can I move the complete .iso files to a different location without jigdo trying to download them again? |
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| 16:50.30 | coywolf | directhex|work, debian shoudn't fuck with the kernel |
| 16:50.46 | directhex|work | coywolf, in what context? |
| 16:50.48 | EdibleText | PeQua, you need to mount /dev/hdd6; be sure to --exlude=/mount-point-of/dev/hdd6; rsync -artgpDn --exlude=/proc --exclude=<mntpoint> --delete-after / /<mntpoint> |
| 16:50.53 | Dech | Same thing with ATI driver ./make returns "gcc: couldn't run `i486-linux-gcc-2.95.4': No such file or directory" the apt returned and installed g++ 4:3.3.5-1 |
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| 16:51.00 | EdibleText | PeQua, the -n does a dry run |
| 16:51.00 | directhex|work | greycat, pull out one of your 'mainline kernel == unstable' factoids |
| 16:51.12 | EdibleText | PeQua, also read the fabulous man page |
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| 16:51.14 | directhex|work | Dech, gcc != g++ |
| 16:51.49 | PeQua | tnx EdibleText |
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| 16:52.32 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 16:52.32 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
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| 16:52.44 | directhex|work | !beer greycat |
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| 16:53.03 | directhex|work | i think i offended hiim |
| 16:53.06 | asg | directhex|work: you have to milk greycat, he doesn't like the foaming ale |
| 16:53.37 | cilll | hi there how do I exclude user to use ssh? |
| 16:53.54 | greycat | cilll: man sshd_config, look for deny |
| 16:54.06 | directhex|work | dpkg, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:54.06 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 16:54.25 | cilll | greycat: thankz for answer and understand my question |
| 16:54.33 | virgomoon | While we're solving the world's problems ... Are there any ^good^ online text rpgs still around? |
| 16:54.41 | asg | virgomoon: DikuMUD |
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| 16:54.54 | asg | virgomoon: and if you can find JediMUD, even better |
| 16:54.58 | coywolf | could i ask a hardware question here? |
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| 16:55.40 | virgomoon | asg: looking for more of a period/medieval style than Jedi. I'll check out DikuMUD. Thanks. |
| 16:55.58 | EdibleText | coywolf, ask. |
| 16:56.00 | asg | virgomoon: there was also some guy who coded Zork in javascript and had it as his 404 page. |
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| 16:56.41 | coywolf | EdibleText, anyone runs his computer without cpu fan in winter? s it safe to run without cpu fan in winter? or under what temperature, it's safe to run without fan? |
| 16:56.48 | EdibleText | virgomoon, please dont feed the mobiles :) |
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| 16:57.13 | i10neorg | Is there a way to define the dpi independently for each screen of a multi-screen layout? |
| 16:57.15 | virgomoon | EdibleText: mobiles? |
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| 16:57.25 | virgomoon | EdibleText: or do I want to know? |
| 16:57.29 | EdibleText | virgomoon, find a diku and enjoy :) |
| 16:57.29 | jaybuffet | how do you pin packages using debian so it will upgrade all packages in testing, but stop at stable |
| 16:57.41 | i10neorg | It seems the "-dpi" option carries across all screens. |
| 16:57.58 | asg | EdibleText: crufty-assed codebase but a ton of fun to play |
| 16:58.02 | EdibleText | virgomoon, its the standerd warning when joining a diku. its funny |
| 16:58.20 | virgomoon | EdibleText: I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. |
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| 16:58.53 | greycat | coywolf: uh, it depends on the machine. and the room. |
| 16:58.56 | EdibleText | asg, too many hour spent at university mac lab playing ROM |
| 16:59.06 | asg | EdibleText: yeah |
| 16:59.10 | EdibleText | coywolf, and the uh, temp.. |
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| 16:59.41 | coywolf | greycat, my cpu is celeron 2.4. what's the safe temp? EdibleText |
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| 16:59.52 | greycat | coywolf: ask Intel. |
| 17:00.20 | i10neorg | Maybe the "DisplaySize" in the conf , but then the dpi is not user controlable... |
| 17:00.24 | coywolf | greycat, i mean the room temperature. anyone has ever did experiments |
| 17:00.38 | coywolf | ^ EdibleText |
| 17:00.39 | EdibleText | coywolf, ill run a k6 500 without a fan (but large heatsink) |
| 17:00.40 | greycat | coywolf: probably a lot. |
| 17:00.44 | EdibleText | but im crazy |
| 17:00.55 | greycat | my VIA EPIA 600 MHz box is designed to be fanless, and I run it so. |
| 17:01.02 | green_earz | jaybuffet: check out -t option in apt-get |
| 17:01.32 | coywolf | EdibleText, normal heatsink? |
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| 17:02.05 | EdibleText | coywolf, yes. infact the fan died, so I took it off. |
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| 17:02.20 | EdibleText | coywolf, but I am reckless |
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| 17:03.26 | EdibleText | coywolf, I wouldnt consider running a cellyron esp 2.4 with out moving air about the heatsink |
| 17:04.00 | EdibleText | coywolf, but its yer chip |
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| 17:04.21 | Dech | Depends how willing you are to risk your hardware :P |
| 17:04.49 | EdibleText | Dech, yup if you dont care, you have nothing to lose |
| 17:04.50 | greycat | when it breaks, we get to point and laugh. |
| 17:04.51 | coywolf | EdibleText, what's the cpu temp. goes up to when it runs without fan? |
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| 17:05.49 | BigBlue | what is the diffrence between REJECT and DROP? |
| 17:05.50 | EdibleText | coywolf, the k6 I refered to was on a non-production box. it was junk that I brought back to life. |
| 17:05.51 | coywolf | EdibleText, Dech will it only harm the cpu or the whole board? |
| 17:06.03 | greycat | BigBlue: REJECT sends back a "go away" message, and you see "connection refused". |
| 17:06.08 | greycat | DROP just means silence. |
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| 17:06.27 | takatumi | you could fry all your hardware. |
| 17:06.33 | Dech | EdibleText. Yeah i got my mother junk old ibm heh, Duron 800mhz 312sd ram 4mbonboard vid, whacked a 128mbpci ATI radeon 9200se in it, only $100, its my experiment machine :P dont care for it at all |
| 17:06.39 | Dech | mothers* |
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| 17:06.51 | coywolf | EdibleText, my cpu fan is too noisy, so i want to run my cpu without fan |
| 17:07.13 | archivist | oil the fan |
| 17:07.22 | dadexter | can I use dpkg to see a list of files included in a package? |
| 17:07.25 | greycat | or get a quieter one |
| 17:07.25 | EdibleText | coywolf, is it noisy cuz its broken? you need a new one |
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| 17:07.36 | greycat | dadexter: dpkg -L |
| 17:07.37 | greycat | dadexter: man dpkg |
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| 17:07.57 | coywolf | EdibleText, even new fan is noisy |
| 17:08.02 | dadexter | greycat, thx... still a little under the caffeine requirements |
| 17:08.07 | EdibleText | coywolf, noisy fans are like noisy brake pads. you get a warning before shit really breaks |
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| 17:08.32 | coywolf | EdibleText, how about connecting a water metal bottle to the hintsink? |
| 17:08.59 | EdibleText | coywolf, experiment with different combonations of fans and post your results to the world |
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| 17:09.08 | archivist | dump pc in fishtank |
| 17:09.12 | EdibleText | coywolf, remember when doing experiments you need a control |
| 17:09.38 | EdibleText | combo/combi |
| 17:09.54 | coywolf | EdibleText, i use acpi to monitor the cpu temp, if it's too high, i'll power off |
| 17:10.17 | takatumi | that sucks. |
| 17:10.19 | jorgp | what can I use to put some files from /var/cache/apt/archives into pool structure? |
| 17:10.48 | adjacent | is there a standard debian way to turn a blah.tar.gz source package into a binary deb package? can i just log all the actions i perform while compiling the package, andthis generate a deb file? |
| 17:10.55 | debiannb | hello, how i can know wich modules are on my kernel? |
| 17:11.01 | greycat | adjacent: no, read the mg |
| 17:11.24 | caphuso | adjacent: apt-cache show checkinstall |
| 17:11.24 | greycat | automatically turning sourceballs into debs would give you shitty debs, a la Ximian's. |
| 17:11.41 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.45 | adjacent | greycat: heh. |
| 17:11.49 | sussudio | calling Piggy a hog is probably redundant. |
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| 17:11.52 | jeko | good evening |
| 17:12.00 | EdibleText | debiannb, to see all modules [to load or remove] modconf; tp list modules lsmod |
| 17:12.08 | adjacent | caphuso: im used to usin checkinstall on slack. i will look into it |
| 17:12.10 | Dech | Hmm any ideas on making my edits to resolv.conf permanent ? its re-written on startup and its written to a non-working state, i have to add both my isps ns, im using dhcpc |
| 17:12.28 | adjacent | greycat: im drawing a blank here. mg? |
| 17:12.34 | debiannb | EdibleText: But, the modules that are loaded for kernel when i power on my computeræ? |
| 17:12.34 | sussudio | Dech: try reading the dhcp-client manual |
| 17:12.38 | greycat | !mg |
| 17:12.38 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, it is also the shorthand for Madagascar |
| 17:12.56 | debiannb | ok i have it, lsmod ;) |
| 17:13.05 | Dech | sussudio I would if i knew where it was :P |
| 17:13.10 | sussudio | ... |
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| 17:13.27 | EdibleText | Dech, if using dhclent you can edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 17:13.48 | adjacent | greycat: great. thanks |
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| 17:13.55 | w00t_ | how can i delete a directory? |
| 17:13.58 | greycat | rmdir |
| 17:14.16 | w00t_ | "Directiry is not empty" |
| 17:14.23 | greycat | and? |
| 17:14.26 | green_earz | w00t_: or rm -r |
| 17:14.26 | Dech | Thanks, im still finding my around alot of things :) but im enjoying the learning :P |
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| 17:15.28 | takatumi | jorgp: try http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr/?page=debrepository |
| 17:15.40 | green_earz | Dech: have you check out etherconf to help with your dns and ip setup |
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| 17:16.10 | sin | if i was interested in creating a custom debian install disk, with specific packages, and a specific kernel, how would I go about doing this? |
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| 17:16.43 | Jebediah | sin: knoppix maybe? |
| 17:16.47 | takatumi | !tell sin about custom d-i |
| 17:17.03 | sin | no not knoppix |
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| 17:17.10 | sin | what is custom d-i? |
| 17:17.17 | Dech | green_earz Nope, but thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 17:17.23 | sin | ah ty ;) |
| 17:17.36 | green_earz | ok |
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| 17:19.06 | sin | takatumi would this get rid of the graphical installer as well? |
| 17:19.09 | jeko | Is it possible to get help on german? It's just a n00b question... |
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| 17:19.18 | caphuso | !de |
| 17:19.18 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 17:19.28 | w00t_ | how can i see what packages are installed? |
| 17:19.30 | jeko | thx |
| 17:19.31 | greycat | ~FAQ w00t_ |
| 17:19.36 | greycat | !FAQ w00t_ |
| 17:19.37 | dpkg | w00t_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:19.41 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:20.12 | w00t_ | thx |
| 17:20.16 | caphuso | 14:56 w00t_> how can i see what packages are installed |
| 17:20.18 | takatumi | sin: dunno, haven't tried. |
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| 17:20.22 | caphuso | 18:19 w00t_> how can i see what packages are installed? |
| 17:20.27 | caphuso | hrm |
| 17:20.31 | w00t_ | caphuso: i forgot it :) |
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| 17:20.42 | takatumi | sin: why are you after a custom kernel anyway? |
| 17:20.42 | greycat | !topicsmite w00t_ |
| 17:20.43 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon w00t_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 17:21.50 | sean_micken | can you install 'unstable' packages on a 'testing' system? |
| 17:21.57 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 17:21.57 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 17:22.42 | takatumi | greycat: are you hosting that site? |
| 17:22.50 | afabian | How can I rerun the configuration menus that a package presented me with when it was installed? |
| 17:22.59 | greycat | takatumi: yes |
| 17:23.06 | greycat | takatumi: if you can't reach it, /msg dpkg window scaling |
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| 17:23.37 | takatumi | greycat: I can, was thinking of hosting my domain as well, currently hosted elsewhere. |
| 17:24.35 | greycat | takatumi: tarzeau also self-hosts his stuff on his ADSL |
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| 17:24.50 | EdibleText | afabian, this may work for you: dpkg-reconfigure <package name> |
| 17:25.10 | afabian | Thanks, EdibleText. |
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| 17:26.27 | EdibleText | takatumi, you could use dyndns, but before you use your connectio for 'serving' you should re-read the TOS of your ISP |
| 17:26.37 | UtenteIrcle | Hi I have a debianppc. I have a problem ... after I've compiled my kernel .... and reboot.... /boot/initrd.img No such file or directory ... and the system do not boot |
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| 17:27.15 | takatumi | EdibleText: hmm, didn't think that would figure in this equation as well. |
| 17:27.26 | greycat | UtenteIrcle: you forgot to use "make-kpkg --initrd" apparently. Or you did something even more unsupported. |
| 17:27.34 | tarzeau | greycat: cablemodem |
| 17:27.39 | greycat | tarzeau: ah. |
| 17:28.10 | tarzeau | this is the modem, www.linuks.mine.nu/people/cablecom/ |
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| 17:30.04 | UtenteIrcle | but i have read that initrd aren't necessary if i don't use a precompiled image |
| 17:30.20 | philipp | Hello... I want to start my xserver but I got the error message Failed to load fglrx. I can't install it because it has no installation canidate |
| 17:30.25 | philipp | what could I do ? |
| 17:30.41 | greycat | philipp: don't use fglrx if you don't have it. |
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| 17:30.49 | greycat | philipp: /msg dpkg set up x /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 17:30.59 | EdibleText | tarzeau, you are one thorough individual. |
| 17:31.10 | davidcsi | need help with a GRUB problem. I have 2 IDE drives, and 1 SCSI drive. I boot to Debian just fine, which is on hda1, I have windows XP on the SCSI drive, but when I try to boot, the GRUB doesn't show a sdaX, only hda/b, anyone knows why?? |
| 17:31.21 | philipp | greycat: ehm ok I tried to reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it happens nothing after setting up |
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| 17:31.31 | greycat | philipp: tell it to use ati instead of fglrx |
| 17:31.54 | philipp | greycat: How could I tell this ? |
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| 17:32.24 | mb | Has anyone here gotten the Logitech MX1000 to work properly in XFree86? |
| 17:32.41 | sussudio | mb: NEIN |
| 17:32.50 | sussudio | rootboy. |
| 17:33.19 | greycat | philipp: if you didn't go through the SHEER HELL of building fglrx on your box, you ain't got it. Use "ati". |
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| 17:33.51 | philipp | greycat I selected ati in the first window of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:34.09 | greycat | philipp: woody? sarge? what version of X? |
| 17:34.23 | philipp | greycat: sarge |
| 17:34.43 | philipp | greycat: the newest sarge x-free version |
| 17:34.54 | greycat | philipp: check the logs. first page of our FAQ tells you how. |
| 17:35.34 | philipp | greycat dpkg-reconfigure.... should work, or not ? |
| 17:35.43 | greycat | philipp: read. the. logs. |
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| 17:37.14 | philipp | greycat: but I told you the error in the logs... |
| 17:37.21 | PeQua | I did something wrong, my /dev/hdd6 is gone, how can i readd them without reboot? |
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| 17:37.31 | Danar | test |
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| 17:37.42 | xelam | Danar: fail |
| 17:37.52 | Danar | xelam: success actually :) :p |
| 17:37.59 | greycat | philipp: you said "failed to load fglrx", which means you failed to tell it to use "ati" like I said. |
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| 17:38.41 | nsanity | okay, when I type "groups" and it only says my username... is there a good chance I've fudged up my groups? |
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| 17:38.53 | greycat | possibly. |
| 17:39.02 | Danar | ok, i think i need to remove vesafb, but i can't. i can't use modconf cause it says it's in use, and i tried removing it from /etc/modules, but it uses it anyway... |
| 17:39.28 | Gathond_ | nsanity: if they are not supposed to be that way, I would say yes :) |
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| 17:39.43 | Danar | i'm trying to get X working, but dpkg-reconfigure doesn't have any questions about framebuffer as mentioned by dpkg (bot) |
| 17:39.43 | Gathond_ | nsanity: iirc it is the default for new users |
| 17:39.45 | nsanity | Gathond_: Well I logged into another debian setup and when I type groups I get like 6 or 7 groups |
| 17:39.57 | greycat | Danar: what version of DEBIAN (not knoppix) are you using? |
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| 17:40.08 | Danar | 3 |
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| 17:40.18 | Danar | testing/unstable |
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| 17:40.39 | philipp | greycat: Yes you're in right... But I don't know how to tell it using ATI drivers, therfore I asked you |
| 17:40.42 | greycat | 12:34 <-Danar[~knoppix@d36-1-94.home1.cgocable.net] do you know why there's no voice (for me at least)? |
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| 17:40.57 | Madned | Danar the framebuffer option is on the kernel |
| 17:41.00 | greycat | I believe you are still using Knoppix and attempting to trick us. |
| 17:41.07 | Danar | greycat: i'm just using the knoppix cd cause i can't start x in debian |
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| 17:41.38 | greycat | if your debian_version still says "testing/unstable" then you need to upgrade to MODERN sarge first. |
| 17:41.38 | Gathond_ | nsanity: it totally up to the administrator of the machine, what groups which people are in |
| 17:41.48 | greycat | if it says "3", you're just lying. |
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| 17:42.01 | Danar | greycat: '3' was from memory |
| 17:42.11 | Danar | well, so was testing/unstable too |
| 17:42.19 | nsanity | Gathond_: Well I am the administrator of these machines. It's just that one is a desktop and worked flawlessly after setup and this laptop has been giving me nothing but trouble. |
| 17:42.34 | nsanity | first my wireless worked and my sound didn't and now magically my sound works but no wifi :( |
| 17:43.11 | Danar | Madned: i can't remove it via modconf... (says it's in use) |
| 17:43.39 | greycat | Danar: we cannot help you with your Knoppix CD. |
| 17:43.41 | Danar | greycat: i AM on knoppix, as i said. because i'm on the livecd |
| 17:43.49 | greycat | Danar: go back to DEBIAN and then try it. |
| 17:44.04 | Danar | greycat: jeeze man, i don't want help with knoppix, i want help with deb |
| 17:44.13 | greycat | but you're RUNNING DEBIAN COMMANDS ON KNOPPIX |
| 17:44.13 | Danar | greycat: try what? |
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| 17:44.19 | greycat | And THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T WORK! |
| 17:44.19 | Danar | greycat: no i'm not |
| 17:44.32 | pipeline | Danar: ... You booted into a separate system in order to get X working on Debian? What the hell kind of logic is that? |
| 17:44.53 | greycat | pipeline: it's the logic that made us +q *!~knoppix@* |
| 17:45.01 | Danar | pipeline: i booted into knoppix to get help so i can know what to do when i reboot and go back into debian |
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| 17:45.16 | greycat | Danar: boot debian. apt-get install irssi-text. irssi. /j #debian. |
| 17:45.16 | pipeline | Danar: Uh, how can you describe your problem if you don't even have access to the problem? |
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| 17:45.35 | greycat | better yet: apt-get install screen irssi-text; screen; irssi; /j #debian |
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| 17:45.57 | Danar | pipeline: i know the problem. x won't start. i believe i need to get rid of vesafb, but i need help with that. |
| 17:45.58 | Slidey | anyone seen the problem on dells where it says stuff like 'unexpected interrupt, , status=0x51, count=xxxx' where the count increments every few seconds and writes it to the console ? |
| 17:46.04 | bandito | hey has anyone seen an issue with sarge's .deb versions of firefox and flash player where some fonts dont work properly? the same flash pages work on a vanilla gentoo install |
| 17:46.15 | philipp | greycat: I found the error... dpkg-reconfigure don't reconfigure xfree86-f config it configures /etc/x11/xfree86 |
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| 17:46.35 | takatumi | Danar: that's why irssi-text was recommended. |
| 17:46.45 | Danar | greycat: what does the screen option do? |
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| 17:46.57 | greycat | !screen |
| 17:46.57 | dpkg | hmm... screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or http://brief.collapsar.net/screen.html or apt-get install screen or http://gnu-screen.f-451.net/?page=ScreenWiki |
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| 17:47.11 | takatumi | Danar: once you get X started, you could continue chatting from X. |
| 17:47.13 | Danar | ah |
| 17:47.28 | greycat | and if you have to restart X, we don't even know it. |
| 17:47.46 | Slidey | anyone seen the problem on dells where it says stuff like 'unexpected interrupt, , status=0x51, count=xxxx' where the count increments every few seconds and writes it to the console ? |
| 17:47.48 | bbrazil | hmm, last of those links is dead |
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| 17:48.10 | GuruMike | exit |
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| 17:48.30 | takatumi | and launch urls from irssi without a mouse. |
| 17:48.30 | greycat | quite the guru, he is. |
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| 17:49.03 | pipeline | Danar: Well, you're not going to get anywhere like this. You can't get help with a problem that you can't tell us about. |
| 17:49.06 | Danar | ok, bbiab. thx greycat |
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| 17:49.14 | Marticus | sup grey |
| 17:49.17 | Danar | pipeline: oh, i can |
| 17:49.18 | pzn | Hi! Do you know any debian package that can provide font Helvetica for The Gimp? |
| 17:49.23 | Danar | but i'm gonna try irssi |
| 17:49.40 | cire | I compiled the 2.6.10 kernel using my old .config file (2.6.9). Now running lspnp reports: "lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available". What kernel option may I have forgot to set? |
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| 17:50.02 | pipeline | pzn: No. You have to buy helvetica. |
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| 17:50.03 | greycat | cire: you used a debian config-2.6.9-* file with an upstream 2.6.10 tree? |
| 17:50.17 | pipeline | pzn: www.linotype.com |
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| 17:50.25 | cire | yes |
| 17:50.30 | cire | (upstream?) |
| 17:50.38 | greycat | upstream = kernel.org in this case |
| 17:50.48 | cire | I found it using apt-cache |
| 17:50.53 | pzn | pipeline: thanks! |
| 17:51.09 | joefso | Jan 19 18:31:21 localhost sshd[5611]: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "102.138.182.65.in-addr.arpa IN A", got type "PTR" !! Arpa?? What does that mean? |
| 17:51.12 | Marticus | fine don't say hi |
| 17:51.18 | joefso | arpa connects to my computer? |
| 17:51.18 | simonrvn | pipeline: eh? |
| 17:51.19 | Slidey | is there debian installer with a full package set based on something newer than 2.4.18 ? |
| 17:51.20 | brynjarh | When I use DHCP should my route be defined correctly automatically? Because every time I boot into my computer I have to do the commands 'route del default' and 'route add -net fjoltengi netmask 255.255.255.255 gateway 10.9.12.1 eth0' before I can connect to the internet with the command 'pptp fjoltengi name einstein2 lock defaultroute noipdefault nobsdcomp nodeflate novj noaccomp nopcomp noauth debug', hmm.. |
| 17:51.22 | greycat | haha |
| 17:51.30 | simonrvn | pzn: msttcorefonts package |
| 17:51.37 | Marticus | sup greycat |
| 17:51.37 | pipeline | pzn: It costs about 400$. |
| 17:51.42 | greycat | joefso: no, "Z.Y.X.W.in-addr.arpa." is how you actually write "W.X.Y.Z" when you do a reverse DNS lookup |
| 17:51.50 | pipeline | simonrvn: Heh, you're not going to find Helvetica in MS core fonts, I don't think. ;) |
| 17:51.51 | greycat | Marticus: hi |
| 17:51.54 | Marticus | hehe |
| 17:52.02 | pipeline | simonrvn: It's only one of the world's most famous and distinctive fonts. |
| 17:52.04 | simonrvn | pipeline: tell that to my installation |
| 17:52.19 | Marticus | its just not as good when you have to manually extract the greeting from someone |
| 17:52.19 | joefso | greycat: but what I fail to understand, why does it say ARPA? |
| 17:52.20 | greycat | Slidey: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 17:52.27 | greycat | joefso: because that's the way it works. |
| 17:52.43 | Slidey | ta |
| 17:52.44 | greycat | joefso: it's like asking why umount(8) is misspelled. It just *is*. |
| 17:52.45 | joefso | greycat: I thought that arpa was replaced by tcp/ip |
| 17:52.58 | pzn | pipeline: !!! 415$!!! I tought it would be cheap... :-( |
| 17:53.01 | joefso | greycat: oh ok |
| 17:53.03 | simonrvn | pipeline: you're right. i do have it here however |
| 17:53.25 | simonrvn | got it* |
| 17:53.26 | pipeline | simonrvn: Probably warez :P |
| 17:53.33 | EdibleText | joefso, advanced research projects agency, its a vestige |
| 17:53.49 | simonrvn | pipeline: no. i porbably converted it from mock os or something |
| 17:53.50 | pipeline | simonrvn: Adobe used to sell a 2 CD set of fonts that had some really expensive ones on it for only a few hundred bucks. It's a pretty common thing to find on warez sites. |
| 17:53.57 | pipeline | simonrvn: mock os? |
| 17:54.02 | brynjarh | I say again :) .. --> When I use DHCP should my route be defined correctly automatically? Because every time I boot into my computer I have to do the commands 'route del default' and 'route add -net fjoltengi netmask 255.255.255.255 gateway 10.9.12.1 eth0' before I can connect to the internet with the command 'pptp fjoltengi name einstein2 lock defaultroute noipdefault nobsdcomp nodeflate novj noaccomp nopcomp noauth debug', hmm.. |
| 17:54.08 | simonrvn | mac os 8 or 9 in this case |
| 17:54.14 | greycat | brynjarh: only if the DHCP server is configured right. |
| 17:54.33 | FieldySnuts | sounds like it isn't configured period |
| 17:54.40 | FieldySnuts | @lart *!*@* |
| 17:54.54 | brynjarh | greycat: So this might just be a problem with my ISP? |
| 17:54.54 | takatumi | simonrvn: you're lucky then if you happened to find a $400 font lying on your machine :) |
| 17:55.00 | john | ravenbird: lol. |
| 17:55.01 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
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| 17:55.18 | john | ravenbird: |
| 17:55.19 | greycat | brynjarh: your *what*? Why the hell would you have to use DHCP *and then* use PPTP on top of it? |
| 17:55.19 | ravenbird | john: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:55.34 | greycat | brynjarh: I assumed your DHCP connection was provided by some local piece of crap like a router. |
| 17:55.40 | simonrvn | takatumi: *shrug* |
| 17:55.46 | pinion_ | that's mean |
| 17:56.03 | brynjarh | greycat: So it's my router? Then I have to access my router and change the configuration there? |
| 17:56.05 | bandito | has anyone seen an issue with sarge's .deb version of flash player where some fonts dont show up at all? the same flash pages work on a vanilla gentoo install |
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| 17:56.17 | EdibleText | It blew my mind when I learned that fonts are licensed, like a logo |
| 17:56.26 | greycat | brynjarh: if I said it was your birdhouse, would you then parrot back to me "so it's my birdhouse?"? |
| 17:56.36 | takatumi | dpkg: mwahaha john |
| 17:56.36 | dpkg | takatumi: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:56.38 | greycat | first you said it's your ISP, then you said it's your router. |
| 17:56.57 | takatumi | urg |
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| 17:57.04 | FieldySnuts | fuckin badgers |
| 17:57.14 | EdibleText | brynjarh, and pptp is just a confusing addition to the question |
| 17:57.36 | greycat | FieldySnuts: not here. :/ |
| 17:57.38 | simonrvn | it does? |
| 17:57.45 | FieldySnuts | not litrally, silly persons |
| 17:57.50 | simonrvn | nope |
| 17:57.51 | EdibleText | !ping badger.thiscompany.tld |
| 17:57.53 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I knew what you meant. |
| 17:57.58 | FieldySnuts | greycat: they don't. |
| 17:58.02 | simonrvn | . 86400 IN SOA ns0.opennic.glue. hostma |
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| 17:58.03 | greycat | badger.ccf.org and badger.eeg.ccf.org don't resolve. |
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| 17:58.26 | takatumi | !ping badger.sussudio.org |
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| 17:58.38 | simonrvn | yes, i'm still using opennic |
| 17:58.50 | greycat | "still"? |
| 17:58.52 | Danar | greycat: ok, i'm here on irssi |
| 17:58.58 | greycat | Danar: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:59.06 | FieldySnuts | Linux badger 2.6.10-grsec-20050108 #1 SMP Mon Jan 17 21:10:22 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:59.11 | brynjarh | greycat: I'm just trying to understand what the problem is, I'm no expert on this, I just though that DHCP defines my route and I do NOT know what DHCP is or whatever, so when you said the DHCP server might have the configuration incorrect I thought that maybe it was a server that my ISP has but then you pointed me at my router, so I asked if I had to access my router and change the configuration there. Be nice, I'm no expert here.. :) |
| 17:59.25 | simonrvn | greycat: i coverted to using opennic when versign was doing that crap with .com and .net |
| 17:59.30 | simonrvn | conv* |
| 17:59.32 | greycat | how do you know that DHCP defines your route if you don't know what DHCP is? |
| 17:59.40 | FieldySnuts | you don't. |
| 17:59.45 | greycat | simonrvn: were we supposed to convert back or something? |
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| 17:59.58 | simonrvn | greycat: hehe |
| 18:00.05 | brynjarh | greycat: Because I had to read about it slightly to get my internet working. |
| 18:00.12 | EdibleText | brynjarh, man 5 interfaces; vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:00.14 | simonrvn | uh |
| 18:00.24 | FieldySnuts | read it on the intarnutt |
| 18:00.27 | EdibleText | brynjarh, you can set your gw there |
| 18:00.35 | Danar | greycat: 3.1 |
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| 18:00.49 | FieldySnuts | the point is he shouldn't have to. his isp should be providing the right info via dhcp (according to him) |
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| 18:01.03 | greycat | then what is all that pptp stuff? |
| 18:01.14 | bob | dialup shit |
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| 18:01.15 | guiss | anyone knows how to enable HTML-tidy in php-4.3.10? |
| 18:01.16 | FieldySnuts | hell if i know. haven't goofed with tunneling |
| 18:01.16 | simonrvn | windoze crap ;p |
| 18:01.18 | greycat | I think he's got a PPTP connection via his ISP and an DHCP connection via his LAN. |
| 18:01.38 | greycat | and for some ungodly reason he's trying to run the PPTP stuff from the *client* box instead of the router |
| 18:01.40 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, that may or may not be true. |
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| 18:01.53 | FieldySnuts | well if he's telling us isn't true, then I can't be of help. |
| 18:01.55 | takatumi | Danar: check for lines with EE in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:01.58 | philipp | Hello, my dpkg-reconfigures don't reconfigure XFree86-4 config. How could I tell a config file to reconfigure ? |
| 18:02.04 | brynjarh | Well how do I access my router? |
| 18:02.10 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 18:02.12 | Danar | so how can i remove vesafb? |
| 18:02.23 | brynjarh | http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx? |
| 18:02.23 | greycat | Danar: what kernel are you running? |
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| 18:02.34 | bob | Danar, u can do that via lilo/grub config also |
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| 18:02.39 | greycat | he may have to. |
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| 18:02.46 | Danar | takatumi: no EE, just WW |
| 18:02.48 | Danar | greycat: 2.6.9-1 |
| 18:03.07 | greycat | Danar: try telling grub to boot it without the frame buffer crap. however you do that. |
| 18:03.08 | takatumi | Danar: then why can't you start X? |
| 18:03.29 | greycat | I'm not sure why you even care about removing that module at all. Does it make 2.6.x even MORE unstable than it normally is, or something, if it's just loaded and unused? |
| 18:03.34 | FieldySnuts | killall -SIGID10T Danar |
| 18:03.35 | Danar | greycat: using lilo |
| 18:03.44 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: i went and patched for grsec2 too |
| 18:03.45 | davidcsi | I have a windows partition on a scsi drive, I read that grub sees it as another hard drive, (i.e. hd2). when I try to boot it, I get weird characters!! Anybody knows why??? |
| 18:03.46 | bob | edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 18:03.46 | greycat | ok, lilo then. same thing applies. |
| 18:03.56 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: hehe |
| 18:03.58 | takatumi | greycat: my screen blanks out without vesafb |
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| 18:04.04 | greycat | the hard part isn't the lilo.conf(5) bit... it's the "how to tell linux to not use the FB" part. |
| 18:04.04 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: haven't had any problems yet, this is my first attempt using grsec on a production system |
| 18:04.13 | Danar | i can't get x started. it says "fatal server error: no screens found" |
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| 18:04.26 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: ran it in other situations for quite a while, once you understand it, it's nice |
| 18:04.28 | greycat | Danar: that's the point where you seek more info in the logs. |
| 18:04.30 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: this is the first kernel that's been up for more than 2 days. i'm on day 7 or 8 now |
| 18:04.31 | Danar | there's a WW warning in the log that says it can't reserve a memory range |
| 18:04.33 | davidcsi | anyone? |
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| 18:04.34 | fdarling | is anyone here running a jabber server? |
| 18:04.39 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:04.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:04.41 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: what the heck was wrong? |
| 18:04.42 | Danar | i think it's reserved by vesafb |
| 18:04.50 | FieldySnuts | fdarling: from jabber.org yes, what's up |
| 18:05.05 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: 2.7 in 2.6 crap from kernel.org kernels... |
| 18:05.08 | FieldySnuts | aka, not one of the commercial ones |
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| 18:05.31 | takatumi | Danar: video=vga16:off vesafb=off vga=normal |
| 18:05.40 | FieldySnuts | ah well, type too slow. bbl |
| 18:05.42 | Danar | but modconf can't remove it as it's in use |
| 18:05.42 | Danar | i tried removing it from /etc/modules, but that didn't work |
| 18:05.43 | anonobomber | i just did a netinstall of sarge on a workstation with the 2.6.8-1-386 kernel and used tasksel to do the "desktop environment" package selection, however when X tries to start it fails because /dev/input/mice is not there, i dont even have the directory /dev/input/ and /dev/psaux is not there either, psmouse and mousedev modules are loaded, can i have some suggestions to getting these dev entries? cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV psmouse did no |
| 18:05.48 | brynjarh | I have a router that is connected directly through the powerline, not through a phone line, then that's connected to an ethernet card on my computer, when I boot my routing to my ISP or whatever are incorrect, so the problem I have is that my router is configured incorrectly correct? So I have to call my ISP and ask them how to access my router or? |
| 18:06.01 | greycat | Danar: see takatumi. |
| 18:06.05 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: also 2.6.10 fixed some scsi issues that were locking up the machine. it'd do so if there was too much disk i/o |
| 18:06.08 | greycat | you must suppress the KERNEL from USING it. |
| 18:06.13 | Danar | takatumi: where's that go? |
| 18:06.23 | greycat | in your boot parameters. |
| 18:06.30 | takatumi | Danar: in lilo on the kernel line. |
| 18:06.38 | greycat | lilo doesn't have a "kernel line" :) |
| 18:06.42 | greycat | it has append= |
| 18:06.46 | takatumi | no? ah. |
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| 18:07.16 | Danar | k, so i have to type that at the lilo prompt? |
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| 18:07.58 | simonrvn | add it to lilo.conf, or lilo's command line.... |
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| 18:08.09 | simonrvn | man lilo, man lilo.conf |
| 18:08.13 | Danar | lilo lets you pass paramaters... |
| 18:08.13 | Danar | like 'single' |
| 18:08.13 | Danar | etc |
| 18:08.13 | Danar | should work, shouldn't it? |
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| 18:08.44 | davidcsi | I have a windows partition on a scsi drive, I read that grub sees it as another hard drive, (i.e. hd2). when I try to boot it, I get weird characters!! Anybody knows why??? |
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| 18:08.50 | anonobomber | does anyone have any suggestions for creating a missing /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux? |
| 18:08.54 | Danar | wtf? i didn't flood |
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| 18:08.55 | greycat | remove udev. |
| 18:09.04 | greycat | Danar: you wrote 4 lines in a brief time. |
| 18:09.05 | takatumi | Danar: learn to use punctuation. |
| 18:10.21 | Danar | wasn't that brief... :/ |
| 18:10.42 | Danar | maybe there was lag in sending |
| 18:10.42 | Danar | meh |
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| 18:10.50 | brynjarh | mm.. I'm trying to access my router, how do I know what my default gateway IP is? :/ , that's what I need to use to access my router right? |
| 18:10.55 | greycat | if your connection is bursty, they might all have arrived at the IRC server in a short time interval |
| 18:11.07 | Danar | yeh, that's what i said |
| 18:11.10 | greycat | I've had that happen to me a time or two. |
| 18:11.14 | justin | brynjarh: how is it that you have a router? |
| 18:11.25 | anonobomber | greycat: after that is removed should i MAKEDEV -av ? |
| 18:11.27 | FieldySnuts | justin: he doesn't know what he's got |
| 18:11.43 | greycat | anonobomber: if they're actually gone, and if that's what the man page says, then sure. |
| 18:11.44 | takatumi | greycat: with the amount of typing you do, it ain't surprising. |
| 18:11.45 | brynjarh | justin: I just have one? |
| 18:11.50 | deadsmith_ | bryndza, /sbin/route doesn't show you? |
| 18:12.11 | Danar | ok, so i'll need to reboot in order to try this. |
| 18:12.11 | FieldySnuts | @lart bryndza |
| 18:12.12 | Danar | what was the line again, pls? |
| 18:12.24 | greycat | Danar: write it down this time. |
| 18:12.29 | greycat | 13:05 takatumi> Danar: video=vga16:off vesafb=off vga=normal |
| 18:13.08 | brynjarh | deadsmith_: well I tryed accessing all the IP numbers I see there by doing http://$ip-number but I can't access any of them. |
| 18:13.30 | w00t_ | Hello, this is a Polish virus. Since we do not have the technology to create a real virus, please delete all files on your home directory. |
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| 18:14.25 | Lee__ | can people get baned for racist jokes? |
| 18:14.41 | thingfish | I hope so. |
| 18:14.48 | w00t_ | i hope not |
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| 18:15.06 | w00t_ | Lee__: Are you from Poland? |
| 18:15.07 | brynjarh | blahh, I'll just call my ISP |
| 18:15.15 | Lee__ | what if I was? |
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| 18:15.53 | EdibleText | you can get banned for being inappropriate, appropriatness should probably be decided by concensus |
| 18:16.09 | simonrvn | kick him/her now |
| 18:16.18 | w00t_ | him |
| 18:16.37 | valdyn_ | Lee__: hypothetically, if you were polish, which nation would polish people make jokes about? |
| 18:16.46 | takatumi | EdibleText: s/onc/ons/ and that sentence will make sense :) |
| 18:17.05 | w00t_ | I'm from Finland and we usually make jokes of swedish people. |
| 18:17.09 | cahoot | valdyn_: czech probably |
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| 18:18.04 | Raf256 | valdyn_- currently everyone is making jokes about some big country inviding some smaller one, and breaking human rights there... oh, that country is also known to be home of both Greatest People Ever, and Greatest OS Ever (windows ;) |
| 18:18.07 | simonrvn | Irssi: Stopped moron BitchX message from mario__ [235] |
| 18:18.08 | takatumi | I'm an Indian, so I laugh at myself. |
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| 18:18.26 | simonrvn | takatumi: same for n. american ones ;) |
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| 18:19.23 | Danar | ok, x still won't start |
| 18:19.29 | WiFiTux | abrotman, have you ever seen cool pics or a bar-pub on the net? I need ideas for something... and as you go drinking oftenly.. :) |
| 18:19.32 | Danar | and now my screen is shifted to the left |
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| 18:19.46 | abrotman | WiFiTux: you mean a bar's webcam? |
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| 18:19.53 | fatal__ | w00t_: I'm from sweden and we usually make jokes about norwegian people (and finnish, danish and icelandics when there's no norwegians around).. ;) |
| 18:19.54 | simonrvn | innat fun |
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| 18:20.13 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I have been told about Bar webcams, but no. Just pics. and idea so I can make one... |
| 18:20.17 | cocaine | Hello! |
| 18:20.19 | takatumi | Danar: do you have any mention of fb in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 18:20.24 | simonrvn | yay, let's have everyone make fun of each other. NOT |
| 18:20.26 | anonobomber | greycat: thanks, that worked |
| 18:20.26 | WiFiTux | abrotman, but if you know a web cam, what da hell. |
| 18:20.32 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 18:20.32 | dpkg | well, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:20.34 | abrotman | they have one |
| 18:20.47 | Danar | takatumi: i ran dpkg-reconfigure before starting x, and i said no to the framebuffer Q |
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| 18:20.52 | abrotman | WiFiTux: one near me ... http://trappetavern.com/ |
| 18:20.54 | HaniEl | ciao |
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| 18:21.17 | HaniEl | hi |
| 18:21.18 | takatumi | Danar: and no lines with EE in /var/log/XFree86.0.log either? I give up. |
| 18:21.21 | abrotman | !knoppi |
| 18:21.22 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 18:21.22 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 18:21.40 | luciano | hi!! |
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| 18:21.46 | HaniEl | ciao |
| 18:21.57 | luciano | how can i disable IPv6 in sarge? |
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| 18:22.05 | Danar | takatumi: wait, i do have EE lines now |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | luciano: i believe it's a module |
| 18:22.18 | Danar | unable to locate/open config file |
| 18:22.19 | WiFiTux | abrotman, cool, thanks! |
| 18:22.30 | abrotman | WiFiTux: kopbarscene.com is a bunch in my area |
| 18:22.31 | Danar | then no screens found |
| 18:22.50 | takatumi | Danar: be more vague. |
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| 18:23.26 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 18:23.26 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 18:23.26 | takatumi | Danar: which config file? |
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| 18:23.47 | frank7622 | does any one know what "RecquestConfiguration: Bad Vcc" means and how to fix it |
| 18:23.50 | Danar | takatumi: that was the error from the X log |
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| 18:23.53 | Danar | the X config |
| 18:24.02 | Danar | i checked. the config isn't there |
| 18:24.04 | luciano | abrotman, i uncoment the line "alias net-pf-10 off" in /etc/modules.conf and root. but not wor |
| 18:24.06 | fatal__ | luciano: if you're running kernel 2.4 you could uncomment "alias net-pf-10 off" to /etc/modutils/aliases. |
| 18:24.07 | luciano | work |
| 18:24.13 | Danar | even though i ran dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 18:24.18 | luciano | im with 2.6.8 |
| 18:24.19 | abrotman | luciano: that doesn't even make sense |
| 18:24.21 | fatal__ | luciano: did you run update-modules ? |
| 18:24.25 | abrotman | luciano: lsmod .. see what oyu have |
| 18:24.25 | takatumi | Danar: run it again then. |
| 18:24.28 | Danar | ok |
| 18:24.32 | ChrysalisM | Danar: use |
| 18:24.36 | ChrysalisM | xf86config |
| 18:24.41 | toresbe | How do I make XDM start up with no local servers? |
| 18:24.46 | frank7622 | when i insernt a pcmcia card |
| 18:24.48 | fatal__ | luciano: ok... modutils isn't used for 2.6 |
| 18:24.50 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 18:24.58 | WiFiTux | abrotman, have you had a brunch on sunday at jacks? |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | WiFiTux: que? |
| 18:25.13 | luciano | lsmod gives "ipv6 281636 18" |
| 18:25.17 | abrotman | WiFiTux: that's not near me |
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| 18:25.20 | simonrvn | toresbe: oh. there is a way... check xdm's confs |
| 18:25.35 | fatal__ | luciano: try editing /etc/modprobe.d/aliases instead.... |
| 18:25.38 | toresbe | simonrvn: It's a confusing maze, baaadly commented |
| 18:25.41 | w00t_ | someone send me libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.5.so.3 |
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| 18:25.53 | simonrvn | toresbe: i know. it was hit or miss for me |
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| 18:25.54 | frank7622 | is there a more recent pcmcia-cs package than 3.1.33? |
| 18:25.57 | luciano | fatal__, i have not /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 18:25.57 | WiFiTux | abrotman, it's not? jackalopejacks.com no? |
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| 18:26.04 | Danar | strange. the screen looked all weird. and it didn't make the config file again |
| 18:26.08 | abrotman | WiFiTux: that's not near me .. it's in NC |
| 18:26.27 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ohh. |
| 18:26.33 | fatal__ | luciano: module-init-tools should have created that... |
| 18:27.06 | fatal__ | luciano: if you're running a modular 2.6 kernel you have module-init-tools installed and thus should have that file.. |
| 18:27.16 | jem77 | apache (1.3) won't install on my Sarge box. I had it installed earlier, then upgraded to apache2, then decided to go back to 1.3. Now I can't install it. |
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| 18:27.31 | jem77 | The only error I see is: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 18:27.33 | fatal__ | jem77: try to purge previous configuration files. |
| 18:27.41 | luciano | fatal__, it's rebooting now.. i seconf |
| 18:27.43 | luciano | second |
| 18:27.58 | fatal__ | jem77: edit the postinstall-script to work.... |
| 18:28.05 | jem77 | fatal__, I tried that but I'm not sure I got them all. /etc/apache should be it, right? |
| 18:28.06 | EdibleText | Danar, you may want to try xf86cfg -textmode |
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| 18:28.52 | w00t_ | !find libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.5.so.3 |
| 18:29.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.5.so.3' returned no results. |
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| 18:29.29 | takatumi | Danar: check if you have /etc/X11/XF86Config-4~ |
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| 18:29.32 | jem77 | What should I edit in my postinstall-script? |
| 18:29.36 | EdibleText | !find libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.5.so |
| 18:29.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.5.so' returned no results. |
| 18:30.02 | EdibleText | dpkg, you're doing a great job |
| 18:30.03 | dpkg | i don't know, EdibleText |
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| 18:30.48 | quitte_ | what does the thinkpad button do in windows? |
| 18:30.52 | luciano | fatal__, I have not module-init-tools |
| 18:31.18 | dondelelcaro | jem77: add a set -x; to the top of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache.postinst (or whatever postinst is actually failing) |
| 18:31.26 | dondelelcaro | jem77: then you'll know where it's failing, and why it's failing. |
| 18:31.29 | EdibleText | !confuse quitte |
| 18:31.30 | dpkg | No, where was your mushroom today, quitte? trousers of the republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 18:31.33 | paulswm | EdibleText, w00t_ apt-file says: libwxgtk2.5.3: usr/lib/libwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.5.so.3 |
| 18:31.49 | paulswm | note the 2u |
| 18:32.14 | whisky | hi, i have a weird problem when i try to make an archive of a directory. The directory appears to be a very big file into the archive and there's no way to browse it once untared... The tar arguments i'm using to tar the archive are czf ... What is wrong ? |
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| 18:32.35 | fmarostica | hi all! |
| 18:32.35 | Random832 | How easy/hard is it to transfer a system wholesale onto a new hard drive without reinstalling? |
| 18:32.36 | justin | whisky: what are you actually typing. |
| 18:32.42 | fmarostica | i use sarge + 2.6.10 |
| 18:32.51 | fmarostica | how make chroot ssh? |
| 18:32.52 | paulswm | whisky: exact command to create the tar |
| 18:33.01 | EdibleText | Random832, easy, if you know what your doing |
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| 18:33.40 | whisky | the whole command is "tar -czf backup-home.tar /home" |
| 18:34.05 | Random832 | EdibleText: other than moving files over to the new partitions, what, in general, needs to be done |
| 18:34.16 | whisky | oh, maybe i should use /home/ instead of /home ?? could it be that simple ? |
| 18:34.25 | paulswm | Random832: pretty easy like EdibleText said, ease depends in a minor way on your partition/filesystem layout |
| 18:34.27 | w00t_ | paulswm, thanks |
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| 18:34.33 | paulswm | w00t_: np |
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| 18:34.42 | cire | sorry for reasking, but does someone have an idea why /proc/pnp does not exist? (all PNP-kernel-options are set to "yes") |
| 18:34.50 | paulswm | w00t_: install apt-file, it is a very useful tool |
| 18:34.51 | drac | whisky: -czf creates tar.gz .. |
| 18:35.11 | whisky | drac, yeah i know but in that file, i have a big file instead of directory... |
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| 18:35.54 | paulswm | Random832: are you replacing the old drive with the new one, and what boot loader are you using |
| 18:36.11 | Random832 | i'm planning to replace it after shutting down and before booting back up |
| 18:36.12 | EdibleText | Random832, installing the MBR; creating the proper devices. basically you have to give it what it need to boot |
| 18:36.12 | Random832 | grub |
| 18:36.13 | uk-male | has anyone installed a debian system on a usb hard drive? |
| 18:36.17 | ChrysalisM | whisky: tar created a big file huh |
| 18:36.18 | uk-male | or keyring drive |
| 18:36.48 | Random832 | uk-male: there is a big difference between the two - is it a disk or flash memory? |
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| 18:37.06 | uk-male | Random832, flash would be a good start |
| 18:37.16 | whisky | ChrysalisM: ok... i repeat... Instead of having a directory in my tar.gz... i'm having a big file in the tar.gz. |
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| 18:37.24 | uk-male | Random832, i've got a system on one, just cant get the kernel conf right |
| 18:37.37 | Random832 | you might not be able to boot from it |
| 18:37.41 | drac | whisky: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:37.57 | Danar | when i use dpkg-reconfigure or xf86config my card driver is listed, but in xf86cfg -textmode it isn't... |
| 18:38.07 | Danar | even though it has many more |
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| 18:38.08 | whisky | I want to backup my home folder ... the whole command i'm using is "tar -czf backup-home.tar /home" |
| 18:38.17 | uk-male | Random832, i can get lilo and a kernel to load |
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| 18:38.32 | uk-male | just can't get the config of the kernel to find the usb drive |
| 18:38.34 | paulswm | Random832: you need to install grub on the new MBR, but be sure that the grub files on the new disk reflect that it is going to be the new hd0 (of that's the onhe you're replaving |
| 18:38.53 | drac | whisky: so, why don't you tar cfz backup-home.tar.gz /home ? wtf are you saying? |
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| 18:39.22 | paulswm | Random832: make sure you have a grub floppy, if the grub setup isn't quite right you can boot from the floppy then sort it out |
| 18:39.23 | Danar | nvm |
| 18:39.25 | ChrysalisM | cfz wont work |
| 18:39.55 | EdibleText | whisky, ' tar cfz backup-home.tar.gz /home' will make a file, possibly quite large, called 'backup-home.tar.gz' |
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| 18:40.53 | ChrysalisM | it works sorry |
| 18:41.04 | drac | of course it does :) |
| 18:41.09 | whisky | drac :) czf. But when i untarred the archive. i do not find a directory... i find a big file... ~home size. I tar'd a directory but when i untar'd it i get a file. very big file. |
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| 18:41.13 | simonrvn | yahoo groups is a nightmare if you run greylisting |
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| 18:41.16 | nvz | uk-male: I heard in debian weekly news there is a new project aiming to make touchy installs like to USB, RAID, or LVM2 possible |
| 18:41.28 | paulswm | whisky: once you create the file, exact commend you are using to untar it, please |
| 18:41.31 | drac | whisky: you open it with tar xfvz home.tar.gz |
| 18:41.34 | ChrysalisM | not of course most UNIX tars would create a file named 'z' if you put it after the 'f' |
| 18:42.00 | ChrysalisM | anyways |
| 18:42.04 | ChrysalisM | nevermind |
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| 18:42.05 | ChrysalisM | sorry |
| 18:42.06 | uk-male | nvz, well i just debootstrapped my usb drive, i just need a kerne that can find the usb drive before it tries to mount the root fs |
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| 18:42.24 | simonrvn | whisky: tar zxf - what you have is a tarball i bet, uncomprssed |
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| 18:42.36 | greycat | gzip -dc foo.tar.gz | tar xvf - |
| 18:42.36 | paulswm | whisky: when use use z, you are creating a tar which is then gzipped, you need to use z on the untar, |
| 18:42.38 | whisky | i untar it with unrar from windows... So the problem would come from unrar ? |
| 18:42.46 | Danar | ok, i got a bit further, but i still can't get into X |
| 18:42.48 | nvz | uk-male: is the kernel booting off the usb hard drive? |
| 18:42.56 | uk-male | nvz, yes |
| 18:42.59 | Danar | now x starts, gives a black screen, but then shuts down |
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| 18:43.02 | nvz | uk-male: the project is being called Debain From Scratch (DFS) btw |
| 18:43.03 | uk-male | nvz, i've done it before with gentoo |
| 18:43.05 | drac | whisky: hell yes. |
| 18:43.06 | simonrvn | whisky: you don't untar rar files... |
| 18:43.07 | Danar | no fatal errors, just a WW warning |
| 18:43.09 | takatumi | Danar: check the logs again. |
| 18:43.19 | greycat | Danar: what's in your .xsession or .xinitrc, if you have one? |
| 18:43.20 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.32 | nvz | uk-male: why didnt you keep the kernel from gentoo then? |
| 18:43.43 | takatumi | Danar: do you have a WM installed? |
| 18:43.46 | uk-male | nvz, its a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:43.53 | uk-male | im using a 2.4 with debian |
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| 18:44.05 | paulswm | whisky: you need to research what archive you can create on Linux which is actually compatible with that windows archiver |
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| 18:44.15 | Danar | takatumi: yes. icewm & kde |
| 18:44.17 | dondelelcaro | ChrysalisM: it all depends on whether or not the '-' is present. see the difference between tar -cfz.tar.gz temp; and tar cfz.tar.gz temp; |
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| 18:44.19 | whisky | oookkkaay... so the problem is the archive is not .tar... it's a .tar.gz ... |
| 18:44.22 | nvz | uk-male: thats most likely half your problem ;) are you using the 2.4.27-1-386 then I assume? |
| 18:44.24 | uk-male | i just wanted to make a minimal system with debootstrap on it, and a few other tools, so i could config my servers rapidly |
| 18:44.31 | takatumi | Danar: what card is it? |
| 18:44.37 | paulswm | whisky: if unrar can read tar files, yes |
| 18:44.39 | uk-male | nvz, i am indeed from backports |
| 18:44.41 | Danar | greycat: .xsession has something about xprint (bad substitution) |
| 18:44.41 | whisky | i'll try to rename to see what will happens when uncompressing it... |
| 18:44.51 | simonrvn | paulswm: i don't think it can |
| 18:44.59 | Danar | takatumi: radeon 9200SE |
| 18:45.17 | nvz | uk-male: eww, so let me get this straight.. you are making a USB drive that has a woody install on it, to replicate across servers? |
| 18:45.30 | paulswm | whisky: winzip can read uncompressed tar files, I believe |
| 18:45.52 | uk-male | nvz, no just to boot the boxes, debootstrap does the conf |
| 18:45.57 | sussudio | ~test |
| 18:45.58 | apt | Failed |
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| 18:46.07 | ja | Hello, is it ok to make 1 partition as xfs and another one as ext3(one hdd)? |
| 18:46.15 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:46.17 | whisky | i'm pretty sure i found the problem. i was using the extension .tar for my archive... but it's a .tar.gz .... that's dumb! :) |
| 18:46.22 | nvz | uk-male: seems like too much work to me. the boxes don't have a cdrom? or a floppy? |
| 18:46.23 | EdibleText | ja, yes |
| 18:46.25 | uk-male | nvz, i've got a local mirror setup and some custom debs |
| 18:46.27 | cmartine | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.42 | uk-male | nvz, don't be silly, i don't buy floppies or cd's |
| 18:46.43 | paulswm | whisky: in any case, you need to do a bit of research so you understand archive formats and which formats and programs are compatible |
| 18:46.56 | uk-male | nvz, its not work, its fun |
| 18:46.58 | ja | Ok, thx I'm going to reinstall os :) |
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| 18:47.36 | nvz | uk-male: you are the one being silly I think.. why are you going through all the trouble of doing a USB HD to install from, and then using a backported kernel package, and not building your own.. especially when you know you;ve gotten this to work with 2.6 before |
| 18:47.39 | Danar | ok, when i startx the screen goes black, and for a brief moment i can glimpse the X pointer and the grey bg, but then in exits |
| 18:47.47 | nvz | uk-male: you do not have to use debian kernel images. |
| 18:47.48 | takatumi | Danar: try "Driver "radeon"" instead of vesa or ati. |
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| 18:47.52 | Random832 | Danar: is xfonts-misc installed? |
| 18:48.00 | takatumi | Danar: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 18:48.10 | Danar | there's a warning that says no matching instance found for <busid> |
| 18:48.11 | paulswm | @win nvz |
| 18:48.13 | ravenbird | Congratulations, nvz! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:48.15 | cire | is /proc/pnp no longer supported in 2.6.10 kernels? (no CONFIG_PNPBIOS_PROC_FS option in config file) |
| 18:48.19 | Danar | Random832: i believe so |
| 18:48.19 | uk-male | nvz, i didn't use the image, i used make-kpkg |
| 18:48.25 | greycat | I still want to know what is in your .x* config files. Your comment made no sense at all. |
| 18:48.38 | simonrvn | cire: if it isn't there, i guess it isn't there, is it? |
| 18:48.44 | paulswm | gah |
| 18:48.47 | nvz | uk-male: ok, well thats not really a backport then thats building a custom kerenl from vanilla source. |
| 18:48.50 | takatumi | "bad substituion" part. |
| 18:48.59 | EdibleText | feeding time was never easier |
| 18:49.01 | nvz | uk-male: why wouldn't you use the newer kernel you know works? |
| 18:49.02 | uk-male | nvz, its not a vanilla source, its from backports |
| 18:49.05 | simonrvn | that's from /etc/init.d/xprint |
| 18:49.13 | cire | simonrvn: I thought, it was possible that it has been replaced by another option... |
| 18:49.15 | simonrvn | takatumi: ^^ |
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| 18:49.35 | nvz | uk-male: I honestly think you know more about this than I, but what I am trying to do is make you realize.. you are making things hard on yourself, and thus tiring out anyone who helps you. |
| 18:49.37 | uk-male | nvz, cause its been like 12 months since i did it |
| 18:50.03 | drac | Danar: If you have RADEON 9200SE (ChipID 5940) you need fglrx ATI drivers. Or you need to 'hack' the ChipID so native XFree86 recognizes it right. I'm using the same card. |
| 18:50.04 | uk-male | nvz, i just need to see if i can find a kernel conf that works, |
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| 18:50.09 | uk-male | not hard at all |
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| 18:50.25 | whisky | Thanks for all of you... I wasn't able to find it before talking to you ... after testing it seems to be the problem... it was a damn tar.gz ... :) |
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| 18:50.45 | takatumi | Danar: how can ATI keep continuing to fuck up so much and still exist? |
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| 18:50.46 | Danar | drac: i have the drivers |
| 18:51.03 | cmartine | ive got Debian 3.0 r1 , how do you install on scsi or at least a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:51.10 | nvz | oh well he left |
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| 18:51.25 | cmartine | it didnt recognize any of scsi drivers |
| 18:51.28 | drac | Danar: If you have the drivers, you need "fglrx" in XF86Config-4 instead of ati, or radeon .. |
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| 18:51.41 | w00t_ | how can i add user with root rights? |
| 18:51.44 | nvz | thats good, cause I was about to ask him to =P he's overly complicating the issue and hurling it at people who dont know the answers |
| 18:52.03 | cmartine | is there a debian 2.4 boot cdrom or iso image available yet |
| 18:52.04 | Danar | usb mouse should be /dev/input/mice, right? |
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| 18:52.10 | drac | Danar: yes |
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| 18:52.20 | takatumi | Danar: if that's the case, you probably don't need to tun vesafb off in the kernel either. |
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| 18:52.27 | sussudio | !tell Danar about 2.6 ps2 |
| 18:52.28 | takatumi | *turn* |
| 18:52.49 | cmartine | can anyone point me to a Debian 2.4 install cdrom not the old 3.0 |
| 18:53.07 | Danar | drac: i can't find it :/ |
| 18:53.15 | takatumi | cmartine: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:53.21 | nvz | cmartine: perhaps you mean the Debian 3.1 'Sarge' Debian-Installer cdrom? |
| 18:53.22 | greycat | cmartine: there was not, and never will be, a Debian 2.4. |
| 18:53.34 | Danar | what's the name again? |
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| 18:53.41 | greycat | !release history |
| 18:53.42 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19). The next release will be Sarge. You can call Sarge+1 "Etch" for now. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 18:54.01 | nvz | cmartine: and even that is vague.. you have to specify what package format you are looking for.. full ISO, netinstall+base, etc.. |
| 18:54.10 | patric | I want to update X to 4.4.0 I've changed my apt source to unstable and I ran apt-get update and upgrade but X is still 4.1.0? |
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| 18:54.14 | Danar | sussudio: i can't see PMs... |
| 18:54.17 | drac | Danar: You installed fglrx drivers right? You have compiled and loaded the fglrx.ko module into your kernel? Try 'modprobe fglrx'. If it's there, backup your XF86Config-4 and use fglrxconfig to create config file. |
| 18:54.22 | cmartine | Im looking for a Debian iso to boot kernel 2.4 |
| 18:54.28 | takatumi | Danar: yes you can, ctrl-n |
| 18:54.28 | greycat | drac: don't assume .ko |
| 18:54.33 | greycat | cmartine: woody qualifies. |
| 18:54.40 | drac | right. |
| 18:54.41 | tillo | patric: dist-upgrade |
| 18:54.42 | greycat | cmartine: both woody and sarge have 2.4 Linux kernels on them. |
| 18:54.57 | Danar | takatumi: thx |
| 18:55.08 | Danar | drac: thx, i'll try that |
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| 18:55.28 | sussudio | Danar: in soviet russia, PMs see you |
| 18:55.47 | sussudio | !usbmouse |
| 18:55.48 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 18:56.01 | Danar | lol |
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| 18:56.15 | Danar | drac: invalid option (modconf) |
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| 18:56.43 | simonrvn | @wayttd Danar |
| 18:56.45 | paulswm | w00t_: you can allow a user to 'su' to root, or run a command as root using 'sudo' - man su and man sudo |
| 18:56.46 | ravenbird | What Are You Trying To Do, Danar? |
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| 18:57.05 | Danar | simonrvn: huh? |
| 18:57.13 | Danar | oh |
| 18:57.15 | greycat | 13:44 Danar> greycat: .xsession has something about xprint (bad substitution) |
| 18:57.23 | Danar | simonrvn: get X working |
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| 18:57.28 | greycat | we STILL don't know whether he even has a valid X session definition yet. |
| 18:57.34 | simonrvn | see my comment about /etc/init.d/xprint... |
| 18:57.44 | Danar | simonrvn: where's that? |
| 18:57.46 | greycat | simonrvn: but what the fuck would an ERROR message be doing in his .xsession file? |
| 18:58.24 | Danar | simonrvn: i missed it |
| 18:58.26 | simonrvn | greycat: something in his .xsession file is calling something that calls the init script. probablt gnome-session or somesuch crap |
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| 18:58.35 | Phossil | hey |
| 18:58.40 | RichiH | ho |
| 18:58.43 | greycat | simonrvn: so the errors would go on the screen, or into .xsession-errors (if he uses xdm), etc. |
| 18:58.45 | RichiH | check da flow |
| 18:58.47 | greycat | not in the .xsession script itself. |
| 18:58.52 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 18:59.06 | simonrvn | greycat: have we even *seen* his .xsession? |
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| 18:59.16 | RichiH | errors in .xsession? /me scratches head.. |
| 18:59.22 | greycat | simonrvn: no, we haven't. |
| 18:59.24 | greycat | that was my point. |
| 18:59.35 | Danar | oops |
| 18:59.37 | simonrvn | maybe he should show it to us with paster ;) |
| 18:59.54 | Danar | uh, that was from .xsession-errors |
| 18:59.59 | paulswm | heh |
| 19:00.01 | greycat | so you're using xdm? |
| 19:00.02 | rootmos | is there a way to auto install suggested packages? |
| 19:00.03 | Danar | i used tab to complete and didn't look |
| 19:00.09 | Danar | i don't have a .xsession |
| 19:00.16 | greycat | do you have an .xinitrc? |
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| 19:00.17 | paulswm | !abuse Danar |
| 19:00.29 | Danar | sorry 'bout that |
| 19:00.36 | tony | hmm, how to I tell thunderbird to launch firefox whe I click on a link in a mail? |
| 19:00.38 | simonrvn | @lart Danar |
| 19:00.52 | bbhill_ | !knoppix |
| 19:00.52 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 19:01.14 | greycat | Danar: are you typing 'startx'? or not? |
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| 19:01.33 | Danar | greycat: yep |
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| 19:01.47 | Danar | what's the video driver name again? fxglr or something |
| 19:02.01 | greycat | Danar: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 19:02.13 | greycat | Danar: if you take that road, you will know pain. |
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| 19:02.25 | Danar | greycat: o.O |
| 19:02.25 | nasty | greetings |
| 19:02.30 | mvhurja | how i can extract zip file in debian |
| 19:02.30 | nasty | >.> |
| 19:02.35 | nasty | unzip |
| 19:02.39 | Random832 | greycat: i thought startx launched the default xsession if no .xsession was found |
| 19:02.39 | paulswm | mvhurja: unzip |
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| 19:02.57 | greycat | Random832: yes, if there is no .xsession and no .xinitrc. That's what I'm trying to find out (among other things). |
| 19:03.00 | mvhurja | aah not installed :( |
| 19:03.01 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 19:03.01 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 19:03.04 | mvhurja | i think |
| 19:03.05 | brynjarh | mvhurja: apt-get install unzip |
| 19:03.10 | mvhurja | thanks |
| 19:03.18 | paulswm | mvhurja: apt-get install zip |
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| 19:03.21 | rootmos | is there a way to auto install suggested packages when using apt-get? |
| 19:03.35 | Danar | i have a .xinitrc |
| 19:03.40 | Danar | but no .xsession |
| 19:03.41 | paulswm | s/zip/unzip/, geez |
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| 19:03.45 | Danar | just .xsession-errors |
| 19:03.48 | greycat | Danar: WHAT IS IN IT? |
| 19:03.53 | greycat | JESUS! |
| 19:04.00 | asg | rootmos: aptitude might have that functionality but don't quote me on that |
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| 19:04.05 | Danar | just a KDE option (if you mean the .xinitrc) |
| 19:04.11 | brynjarh | rootmos: apt-get install -y <package> |
| 19:04.16 | brynjarh | oh wait |
| 19:04.16 | brynjarh | no |
| 19:04.17 | brynjarh | :) |
| 19:04.21 | Danar | that i put there a while back to fix a little bug |
| 19:04.24 | greycat | Danar: do you have a NORMAL window manager installed, or just KDE bits? |
| 19:04.33 | Danar | just KDE and IceWM |
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| 19:04.39 | Danar | but i didn't have probs with them |
| 19:04.45 | greycat | Danar: have you tried "startx /usr/bin/icewm" yet? |
| 19:04.46 | takatumi | try iceWM for now. |
| 19:04.57 | greycat | or tried putting "exec icewm" in .xinitrc? |
| 19:05.04 | Danar | well, it's supposed to start up and ask me to log in and choose a WM |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | WHAT is supposed to? |
| 19:05.15 | takatumi | Danar: that's gdm |
| 19:05.19 | greycat | WHAT THE HELL is in your .xinitrc? |
| 19:05.33 | brynjarh | heh |
| 19:05.40 | Danar | greycat: hunh. it worked |
| 19:05.45 | greycat | !smite Danar |
| 19:06.00 | paulswm | !beer greycat |
| 19:06.02 | Danar | greycat: nothing of relevance |
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| 19:06.09 | Danar | i told you, it's just a kde option |
| 19:06.14 | Danar | says not to use opv6 |
| 19:06.16 | greycat | Danar: well it's clearly BROKEN. |
| 19:06.19 | Danar | *ipv6 |
| 19:06.38 | Random832 | Danar: EVERYTHING in xinitrc is of relevance when x won't start up. |
| 19:06.54 | Danar | well it has never been a problem before, so can't be the cause |
| 19:06.58 | EdibleText | !dmd greycat |
| 19:06.59 | Random832 | ... |
| 19:06.59 | dpkg | greycat has earned a doctor's degree in dental medicine specializing in pulling teeth |
| 19:07.01 | Danar | it was there always when it worked fine |
| 19:07.04 | Random832 | i have to go to class |
| 19:07.08 | Random832 | TELL PEOPLE WHAT IS IN YOUR XINITRC |
| 19:07.15 | Danar | dude, i did |
| 19:07.17 | Danar | several times |
| 19:07.25 | greycat | you did not. |
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| 19:07.27 | Random832 | all you said that i can see is 'nothing of relevance' |
| 19:07.28 | asg | Random832: nothing, we all use ~/.xsession |
| 19:07.29 | Danar | o.O |
| 19:07.29 | simonrvn | !tell Danar about paste |
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| 19:07.40 | Danar | how do i paste in text mode? |
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| 19:07.45 | simonrvn | !tell Danar about paste |
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| 19:07.55 | simonrvn | !tell Danar about gpm |
| 19:07.56 | greycat | Danar: you'd have to install gpm or learn how screen works |
| 19:08.01 | Random832 | just put the file online or something |
| 19:08.04 | greycat | gpm is much simpler, of course. |
| 19:08.06 | crunchie | hey peeps, im trying to compile a driver that requires the kernel source, so i installed the kernel source+ made sym link but its saying it cant find the kernel includes? any idea what i need to do? |
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| 19:08.20 | greycat | or if it's under 4 lines, just have your IRC client cat it. |
| 19:08.28 | nasty | Danar: seriously.. if all you wanna do is launch KDE, you can either run startkde from cli or add exec startkde in ~/.xinitrc |
| 19:08.42 | rootmos | do you have any suggestion on a non gui tape backup util except tar? |
| 19:08.42 | Random832 | and i need to go to class now |
| 19:08.51 | greycat | Random832: run. run now. |
| 19:08.57 | simonrvn | Random832: GO TO CLASS |
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| 19:09.09 | Random832 | ok whatever [it's in 20 minutes anyway i have plenty of time] |
| 19:09.15 | greycat | rootmos: cpio |
| 19:09.15 | Danar | i don't want it to go straight to KDE. i want it to run normally, where there's the option to choose my WM |
| 19:09.26 | greycat | Danar: then install gdm |
| 19:09.31 | simonrvn | that isn't normally. that's using a DM |
| 19:09.36 | greycat | and that isn't "normal". |
| 19:09.40 | Random832 | Danar: startx doesn't provide an option to choose your wm. |
| 19:09.44 | nasty | http://image01.depart.livedoor.com/free/livedoorshop/taro-jibakudx.jpg I so need one of these |
| 19:09.44 | paulswm | rootmos: dump |
| 19:09.45 | Danar | greycat: why would i have to install anything to get it to do what it was already doing? |
| 19:09.46 | Random832 | [and now i'm gone] |
| 19:10.00 | greycat | Danar: what is "it"? How did you have it working? When did it STOP WORKING? What did you CHANGE? |
| 19:10.02 | Danar | Random832: whenever i ran startx before it would go to that screen |
| 19:10.04 | simonrvn | Random832: only if you use selectwm |
| 19:10.09 | greycat | WHAT screen? |
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| 19:10.35 | EdibleText | !comfort baby jesus |
| 19:10.35 | Danar | greycat: i'm not sure exactly what brought the screen up, but it was a simple login screen with the option to choose from my installed WMs |
| 19:10.36 | dpkg | There, there, baby jesus. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 19:10.42 | simonrvn | Danar: HEY. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR YOUR CC NUMBER |
| 19:10.47 | Random832 | Danar: that would be gdm. or kdm. |
| 19:10.53 | greycat | Random832: GO! |
| 19:10.55 | marmoset | anyone know of an alternative to bind besides tinydns (for a recursive/caching nameserver)? |
| 19:10.55 | Danar | ok |
| 19:10.56 | Random832 | i'm going |
| 19:11.02 | Danar | simonrvn: huh? |
| 19:11.04 | Random832 | geez, was looking up my assignment and saw lines directed at me |
| 19:11.09 | directhex | nasty, how about http://www.capcom.com/newsletter/sb.jpg ? |
| 19:11.09 | brynjarh | greycat: chill |
| 19:11.15 | Phossil | quick question - I don't have a /dev/dsp but instead I have a /dev/dspW and I can get sound working fine if I symbolically link /dev/dspW to /dev/dsp but as soon as I reboot the link dissapears - is there any way I can get /dev/dsp to stay? |
| 19:11.36 | directhex | Phossil, sounds like you have udev or devfs in the way |
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| 19:11.51 | Phossil | I believe I am running udev |
| 19:11.53 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
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| 19:12.10 | nasty | directhex, wow, that would be awesome.. too bad i'm broke, just bought a car and have to start insurance >< |
| 19:12.20 | Danar | greycat: er, it seems it didn't work. icewm died when i wasn't looking |
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| 19:12.27 | directhex | greycat, you like my factoid then :) |
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| 19:12.35 | simonrvn | ..... |
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| 19:12.53 | greycat | directhex: yes |
| 19:12.55 | muppo | does anyone know what could be wrong if xmms plays correctly but doesnt make any sounds? i've turned the volume up in bout xmms and the alsamixer ( i got alsa sound ) and i get no error msgs ? |
| 19:13.00 | nasty | !magic hate ball |
| 19:13.08 | greycat | sometimes the ball gets stuck. |
| 19:13.09 | Danar | says connection to :0.0 broken |
| 19:13.10 | nasty | ain't that the truth |
| 19:13.14 | nasty | >< |
| 19:13.22 | paulswm | !magic hate ball |
| 19:13.28 | paulswm | unstuck |
| 19:13.30 | directhex | muppo, check your cable and speakers. that one got me |
| 19:13.40 | muppo | yeah they work |
| 19:13.42 | nasty | does it have a pimp slap command? |
| 19:13.44 | directhex | muppo, also, check that the correct outputs aren't muted in alsamixer |
| 19:13.46 | nasty | !pimp slap directhex |
| 19:13.52 | nasty | oh noes |
| 19:13.53 | Phossil | another quick question - whats the best or a very good linux prog that can open rar files - preferably with a gui? |
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| 19:14.09 | muppo | directhex: everyone is unlocked |
| 19:14.14 | greycat | shouldn't that be "five dollah"? |
| 19:14.15 | directhex | Phossil, ark, file-roller, both will work with unrar or unrar-nonfree installed |
| 19:14.17 | bbrazil | ark might do it |
| 19:14.26 | Danar | startkde keeps saying unable to open display |
| 19:14.26 | Phossil | ok - thanks |
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| 19:14.36 | directhex | muppo, not neccessarily good, you may have 'use digitial rather than analog' enabled for example |
| 19:14.41 | greycat | Danar: you put it INTO .xinitrc, or you pass it as the ARGUMENT to startx. |
| 19:14.50 | nasty | directhex, was it 'spoon' that you suggested for video streaming? |
| 19:14.50 | sussudio | FIVE DORRAH |
| 19:14.56 | directhex | !destress greycat |
| 19:15.02 | directhex | hmpf |
| 19:15.08 | sussudio | !hump directhex |
| 19:15.13 | nasty | !distress greycat |
| 19:15.18 | nasty | HAHA |
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| 19:15.37 | simonrvn | !stupid bot tricks |
| 19:15.37 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 19:15.37 | nasty | !welcome Jin_ |
| 19:15.57 | nasty | lols |
| 19:16.06 | nasty | sooo... |
| 19:16.15 | Seb | is there any source packaged for debian for Atheros WiFi chipsets ? |
| 19:16.21 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 19:16.21 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi is http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi-faq.htm, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 19:16.22 | nasty | Seb |
| 19:16.27 | nasty | Seb, join #wireless |
| 19:16.32 | Seb | k |
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| 19:16.45 | abrotman | !madwifi =~ s/.htm,/.htm ,/ |
| 19:16.46 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 19:16.58 | greycat | abrotman: I usually just remove the comma in that case |
| 19:17.00 | simonrvn | stupid commas |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | greycat: ah well .. fixed is fixed :) |
| 19:17.09 | xam | commata |
| 19:17.16 | greycat | commatose |
| 19:17.19 | muppo | directhex: no ideas? |
| 19:17.20 | simonrvn | !fix abrotman |
| 19:17.25 | abrotman | greycat: perhaps we should write a script to remove all commas |
| 19:17.30 | EdibleText | !curse punctuation for making things clear but breaking urls |
| 19:17.31 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, punctuation for making things clear but breaking urls ! |
| 19:17.36 | greycat | abrotman: better not. |
| 19:17.42 | abrotman | it's not like brits use them anyways |
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| 19:18.04 | simonrvn | what, they don't breathe? |
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| 19:18.14 | directhex | !punctuationsmite abrotman |
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| 19:18.19 | directhex | bah, dpkg sucks |
| 19:18.24 | abrotman | >abrotmansmite directhex |
| 19:18.29 | simonrvn | @suck directhex |
| 19:18.32 | abrotman | malgor .. i need you! |
| 19:18.43 | greycat | !listkeys smite |
| 19:18.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key (15 shown; 97 total): lala cmd: britsmite (.*?) ;; smite ;; cmd: petasmite (.*?) ;; cmd: nutsmite (.*?) ;; cmd: dfsgsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: gentoosmite (.*?) ;; cmd: newbiesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: blairsmite (.*?) ;; sussudiosmite ;; CMD: bunnysmite (.*?) ;; CMD: canucksmite (.*?) ;; gampsmite #DEL# ;; CMD: vaguenesssmite (.*?) ;; CMD: kikismite (.*?) ;; cmd: peterssmite (.*?). |
| 19:18.51 | greycat | under 97, then.... |
| 19:18.56 | asg | thankfully |
| 19:19.04 | abrotman | !petasmite greycat |
| 19:19.12 | abrotman | hrm .. that worked well |
| 19:19.28 | simonrvn | !unforget gampsmite |
| 19:19.28 | dpkg | simonrvn: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 19:19.31 | asg | abrotman: friends don't let morons create factoids |
| 19:19.33 | *** part/#debian muppo (muppo@muppo.user) |
| 19:19.42 | abrotman | !listauth asg |
| 19:19.43 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'asg' (15 shown; 40 total): 'some #DEL# ;; CMD: harold (.*?) ;; CMD: enjoyaolify (.*?) ;; qotd86 ;; CMD: spg (.*?) ;; CMD: burninate (.*?) ;; CMD: funt (.*?) ;; xsh #DEL# ;; enjoyaoling #DEL# ;; bounce ;; asg asg #DEL# ;; be gzip barbie ;; be game barbie ;; why debian #DEL# ;; cmd: enjoaol (.*?) #DEL#. |
| 19:19.51 | EdibleText | asg, that should be a factiod |
| 19:19.54 | abrotman | !harold asg |
| 19:19.54 | directhex | !listauth directhex |
| 19:19.55 | dpkg | asg: You can call it what you want, but I'm gonna call it a file. |
| 19:19.55 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'directhex' (15 shown; 19 total): kernel mantra ;; magic hate ball ;; sunbird ;; decorum ;; click of death ;; skip modules ;; sid syndrome ;; raccoons ;; mepis ;; doom3 ;; 9700 mobile ;; da ;; warezed capacitors ;; xorg advantages ;; cedega. |
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| 19:20.28 | sussudio | racoontje: wegwezen |
| 19:20.41 | Danar | brb |
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| 19:20.44 | simonrvn | warezed caps? WTF |
| 19:20.45 | paulswm | all those keys coming up and I don't see badgers anywhere |
| 19:20.57 | EdibleText | !warezed capacitors |
| 19:20.58 | dpkg | warezed capacitors are the bane of 2002-era motherboards. See http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30328/article.html |
| 19:20.59 | greycat | paulswm: they're sneaky. |
| 19:21.09 | directhex | simonrvn, stolen electolyte recipe causing massive board failure for KT133-era kit, well known issue |
| 19:21.18 | sussudio | paulswm: http://badgercam.webhop.org/ |
| 19:21.18 | simonrvn | eew |
| 19:21.24 | paulswm | greycat: yeah they dig them big holes and sneak out at night |
| 19:21.32 | sussudio | !listkeys badger |
| 19:21.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'badger' by key (14 shown): CMD: topicbadger (.*?) ;; cmd: badger (.*?) ;; badgers in heat ;; badgerwang ;; badgerdot ;; badgercam ;; start a badger war ;; badgeros ;; cmd: badgersmite (.*?) ;; badger/os ;; !badger ;; dead badger ;; pubtime badgers ;; badgers. |
| 19:21.36 | directhex | !raccoons |
| 19:21.37 | dpkg | raccoons are http://raccoon.boom.ru/RACCOONS.JPG |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | !pubtime badgers |
| 19:21.40 | dpkg | PubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtime Barsnacks Barsnacks Tab! Tab! |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | nice |
| 19:21.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:22.12 | paulswm | sussudio: that's neat, that badgercam |
| 19:22.13 | directhex | raccoons > badgers |
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| 19:22.25 | sussudio | paulswm: it's live |
| 19:22.32 | abrotman | we have badger/os and badgeros |
| 19:22.32 | sussudio | !fuck raccoons |
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| 19:22.55 | simonrvn | w00t, it works |
| 19:23.21 | simonrvn | check out the monstrosity: |
| 19:23.34 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: fuck (.*?) |
| 19:23.34 | dpkg | CMD: fuck (.*?) is ($1): <action> fucks $1 ((gently|roughly|vigourously)) ((like a (porn star|crazed (weasel|badger)))(( from behind)| (with a ((glass|pink)) (dildo|Hitachi vibrator))))(, and comes (softly|loudly)) |
| 19:23.38 | nasty | Seb, you still there? |
| 19:23.47 | Danar | export KDE_NO_IPV6=1 is whatÅ in my .initrc file |
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| 19:23.55 | asg | simonrvn: very lisp |
| 19:23.57 | nasty | Nooooo TUX! |
| 19:23.59 | darkskiez | anyone know how to debug apache to find out what child process is dying and why? i think its php but I cant get a coredump out of it [Wed Jan 19 19:20:38 2005] [notice] child pid 13696 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 19:24.00 | Danar | er, .xinitrc |
| 19:24.10 | simonrvn | Danar: yes, #apache |
| 19:24.13 | simonrvn | Danar: sorry |
| 19:24.22 | darkskiez | its on #woody |
| 19:24.22 | simonrvn | darkskiez: ^^^ see what i said to Danar |
| 19:24.24 | darkskiez | :) |
| 19:24.28 | Danar | iĀ“m in icewm now |
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| 19:24.32 | Huddlebum | !fuck his hand |
| 19:24.39 | Danar | my kb settings are messed :/ |
| 19:24.44 | directhex | okay, enough now kids |
| 19:24.58 | Huddlebum | mmkay |
| 19:25.00 | simonrvn | asg: very lispy |
| 19:25.03 | xam | !abuse |
| 19:25.03 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 19:25.03 | Huddlebum | fun while it lasted |
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| 19:25.29 | simonrvn | OH CRAP, OUTTTA COFFF33333 |
| 19:25.39 | asg | simonrvn: sounds like you've had enough |
| 19:25.40 | abrotman | !coffee simonrvn |
| 19:25.41 | nasty | simonrvn, you should have it delivered in 3 week entervals |
| 19:25.43 | Danar | for some reason IceWM doesnĀ“t have a background like normal |
| 19:25.57 | greycat | Danar: /msg dpkg qiv |
| 19:26.34 | bbhill_ | !knoppix |
| 19:26.34 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 19:26.43 | slackd00d | whats the best debian wiki webpage? |
| 19:26.48 | Danar | xf86cfg |
| 19:26.48 | Danar | Cannot open config file. |
| 19:26.50 | Danar | ? |
| 19:26.53 | nasty | >.< broke my quake 2 CD and can't find a decent torrent to get it from |
| 19:26.55 | asg | slackd00d: ours (/topic) |
| 19:26.56 | simonrvn | asg: *grin* |
| 19:27.12 | slackd00d | asg: heh i didnt even read the topic....sorry |
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| 19:27.25 | simonrvn | @topicsmite slackd00d |
| 19:27.27 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon slackd00d. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:27.39 | directhex | !topicbadger slackd00d |
| 19:27.40 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that slackd00d didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 19:27.46 | slackd00d | heh\ |
| 19:28.11 | slackd00d | jesus...i didnt read it sorry |
| 19:28.13 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 19:28.15 | Danar | greycat: not looking for an image viewer... |
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| 19:28.41 | paulswm | slackd00d: believe me, you're getting off quite lighlty :) |
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| 19:28.59 | greycat | Danar: I give up. you're not help-able. |
| 19:29.02 | Danar | ? |
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| 19:29.09 | slackd00d | cool =P |
| 19:29.14 | Danar | greycat: i just checked, it says itÅ an image viewer |
| 19:29.23 | RichiH | dpkg: topicbadger =~s/c\//c \// |
| 19:29.23 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that =~s/c\//c \// didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 19:29.27 | EdibleText | #debian: come with questions, leave with bruises |
| 19:29.33 | RichiH | dpkg: topicbadger = ~s/c\//c \// |
| 19:29.35 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that = ~s/c\//c \// didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
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| 19:29.49 | paulswm | EdibleText: or feet first, in some cases |
| 19:29.52 | RichiH | how does one change cmds, again? |
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| 19:30.07 | directhex | RichiH, foo =~ s/bar/baz/ |
| 19:30.08 | simonrvn | s,foo,bar, or s#foo#bar#, etc. |
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| 19:30.25 | Danar | greycat: man, i donĀ“t know what i did, but iĀ“m sorry :/ |
| 19:30.26 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: topicbadger (.*?) =~ s#c/#c /#g |
| 19:30.26 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:30.31 | RichiH | oh, i put the whitespace in the wrong place.. |
| 19:30.35 | greycat | !topicbadger RichiH |
| 19:30.36 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that RichiH didn't read the*/topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 19:30.38 | simonrvn | cmd: foo (.*?) =~ s#fuzz#ball# |
| 19:30.41 | greycat | RichiH: no, your mistakes were worse than that. |
| 19:30.49 | RichiH | greycat: great, thanks :) |
| 19:31.18 | philipp | Anybody knows a good tool for configuring xserver ? |
| 19:31.26 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:31.28 | nasty | I have a problem, I use the whiteout on the monitor but when someone says something, the word just moves up like it didn't go away..... (joke) |
| 19:31.31 | sussudio | !fuck philipp |
| 19:31.34 | RichiH | dpkg, CMD: topicbadger (.*?) =~ s#c*#c *#g |
| 19:31.34 | dpkg | RichiH: OK |
| 19:31.44 | directhex | !badgers |
| 19:31.44 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
| 19:31.50 | RichiH | dpkg, CMD: topicbadger (.*?) =~ s#*/#c* /#g |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | OK, RichiH |
| 19:31.53 | directhex | someone changed it AGAIN? |
| 19:31.56 | philipp | simonrvn: thats not good it doesn't use my /etc/X11/XF86config file |
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| 19:32.06 | greycat | philipp: of course not; it uses the -4 one. |
| 19:32.09 | simonrvn | it wouldn't |
| 19:32.18 | greycat | and it's Capital C too. |
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| 19:32.35 | paulswm | philipp: are you running debian? |
| 19:32.46 | RichiH | directhex: you could ask dondelelcaro to lock it if you really care |
| 19:32.49 | philipp | simonrvn: But why does my x-server uses the xfree86 and not the -4 one ? |
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| 19:32.59 | directhex | RichiH, sounds like effort |
| 19:32.59 | philipp | paulswm yes, sarge |
| 19:33.09 | bbhill_ | !ubuntu |
| 19:33.10 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 19:33.13 | simonrvn | philipp: ENOPARSE |
| 19:33.18 | paulswm | philipp: the its like they said, capital C and -4 |
| 19:33.22 | paulswm | then |
| 19:33.24 | directhex | philipp, sarge uses xfree86 4.3, it definitely uses /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:33.35 | philipp | hmmm |
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| 19:34.32 | philipp | directhex It uses the Xfree86 an Xfree86-4 doesn't exist |
| 19:34.36 | greycat | I think some recent versions of XFree86 will actually start up without a config file. |
| 19:35.00 | Huddlebum | just autoconfig themselves on the fly? |
| 19:35.04 | KillerBunny | Anyone knows if you can get a gnome without the 500 mb software? |
| 19:35.12 | KillerBunny | I mean just the basics. |
| 19:35.13 | simonrvn | philipp: *NIX == Case SenSitiVe Os |
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| 19:35.25 | greycat | KillerBunny: install the pieces you want one at a time |
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| 19:35.39 | KillerBunny | But what would i need? |
| 19:35.44 | KillerBunny | I mean as a base package? |
| 19:35.52 | greycat | how the hell would WE know what you need? |
| 19:35.55 | Klon | KillerBunny, gnom-desktop and dependencies |
| 19:36.02 | Klon | *gnome-desktop |
| 19:36.03 | KillerBunny | Okey, nice.. |
| 19:36.05 | philipp | simonrvn so i can't config the xserver by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:36.06 | KillerBunny | Will try that. |
| 19:36.20 | philipp | there was a good KDE tool but how was it named ? |
| 19:36.24 | simonrvn | philipp: yes you can |
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| 19:36.30 | philipp | Or is there a good one for gnome ? |
| 19:36.37 | directhex | simonrvn, not if he's edited it by hand. make him md5sum it |
| 19:36.42 | greycat | just edit the fucking config file already. |
| 19:36.55 | greycat | edit it, make it run, and then LEAVE IT ALONE. |
| 19:36.59 | philipp | simonrvn I used xf86config. That works.... but I can't set my resoulution higher than 640*480 |
| 19:37.22 | RolandU | hi all! Just a short question: It seems that I have both apache 1.3.x and apache 2 installed on my sarge-system. Shouldn't they conflict each other? |
| 19:37.28 | simonrvn | oh poor baby. add some more resolutions then FFS |
| 19:37.37 | Danar | how can i get startx to ask me which WM to use? |
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| 19:37.53 | nasty | Danar, I don't know that you can >< |
| 19:38.03 | Danar | nasty: well it used to when i ran startx... |
| 19:38.08 | Danar | now it just dies |
| 19:38.15 | nasty | Danar, but I believe you can switch while running gnome or kde |
| 19:38.21 | paulswm | RolandU: according to apt, they don't conflict |
| 19:38.21 | nasty | Danar, oh.. what did you change? |
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| 19:38.27 | nasty | Danar, if it was doing it before |
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| 19:38.37 | Danar | nasty: long story. could be any number of things |
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| 19:38.45 | toresbe | Haha! |
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| 19:38.48 | js_ | if i have created a raid5 volume that has one faulty drive, will that drive start to be used if i fix it so it's not faulty anymore+ |
| 19:39.01 | nasty | Danar, I see. afidk |
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| 19:39.05 | toresbe | My X terminal works! :) |
| 19:39.07 | willis | this is sucking .. |
| 19:39.07 | js_ | and is it possible to add volumes to a raid5 volume? |
| 19:39.08 | Danar | i was having probs with my display getting corrupted. i thought it was my vid card. i had it tested, wasnĀ“t it. so i moved my ram over, now itĀ“s gone |
| 19:39.10 | ribnitz | js_: that depends on the setting. |
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| 19:39.25 | ribnitz | js_: yes, its possible to add volumes. |
| 19:39.26 | greycat | I'm pretty sure you can't grow a RAID 5 without reformatting |
| 19:39.29 | paulswm | @win toresbe |
| 19:39.29 | willis | need a special kernel .. yet need the librarys from a full distro |
| 19:39.31 | ravenbird | Congratulations, toresbe! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:39.32 | Danar | that is, the corruption is gone. |
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| 19:39.43 | greycat | of course you could add hot spares. |
| 19:39.44 | Danar | but iĀ“ve been unable to get x started |
| 19:39.45 | nasty | Danar, I would run memtest86 on that ram still |
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| 19:39.57 | toresbe | paulswm: One *has* to love a keyboard with 32 F keys :D |
| 19:40.00 | Danar | prolly will later |
| 19:40.05 | Danar | but for now i want to get x working |
| 19:40.10 | willis | anyone running a cluster kernel |
| 19:40.27 | nasty | toresbe, what? a keyboard with 32 F keys?! where do i order? |
| 19:40.28 | js_ | greycat: so it's not possible to add and resize2fs for instance? |
| 19:40.28 | Danar | once i fix whateverĀ“s preventing it from working, it should go back to normal |
| 19:40.37 | nasty | whachu talkin bout willis? |
| 19:40.44 | nasty | sorry >< |
| 19:40.51 | toresbe | nasty: It's not for sae any more, though they were SHIT expensive back in the day aso |
| 19:41.06 | ribnitz | My mouse has 3 buttons (left, middle/wheel,right) plus 3 additional buttons. Any way I can make the three additional buttons work? |
| 19:41.06 | willis | KNoppix offers a cluster cd ... |
| 19:41.38 | willis | but i would like the full debian install ... yet the special kernel for cluster |
| 19:41.46 | greycat | so do that. |
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| 19:42.06 | willis | still a little new at the kernel |
| 19:42.16 | paulswm | nasty: in the days of *terminals* as opposed to keyboards and monitors, keyboards were designed for the terminal capabilities and were, let's say, diverse |
| 19:42.20 | nasty | willis, i think there's a #knoppix channel, they may be able to help |
| 19:42.25 | ribnitz | willis: clustering is not a kernel thing. |
| 19:42.34 | greycat | paulswm: and very, very icky. in most cases. |
| 19:42.34 | nasty | paulswm, oic now |
| 19:42.38 | willis | i wantthe debian packages .. |
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| 19:42.47 | toresbe | nasty: The keyboard next to me has 11 arrow keys |
| 19:42.49 | greycat | e.g. wyse 30 with its half-size left shift and a stupid "func" key between it and Z. |
| 19:42.55 | willis | Open-mosix is a kernel ? |
| 19:43.00 | ribnitz | willis: then get a debian netinst iso, and install debian. |
| 19:43.18 | nasty | toresbe, holy hell.. what connector does it have? |
| 19:43.35 | nasty | willis, gimme a sec, i'll search apt-cache to see if i find anything |
| 19:43.36 | ribnitz | willis: beowulf is user space, pvm is user space. |
| 19:43.38 | toresbe | nasty: I think it's actually pure RS232 |
| 19:43.53 | nasty | toresbe, ooOOoOooOoo |
| 19:43.58 | nasty | toresbe, you using it? :P |
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| 19:44.24 | HotFalafel | http://www.java.com/en/download/ |
| 19:44.30 | toresbe | nasty: Nah, this keyboard has the same microswitches, and the same amount of keys, but with more amusing keycaps |
| 19:44.32 | HotFalafel | sorry wrong room |
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| 19:44.56 | ribnitz | !room |
| 19:44.57 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 19:44.58 | toresbe | nasty: Select, Delete, Copy, etc |
| 19:45.02 | toresbe | hehe |
| 19:45.07 | nasty | toresbe, sweet :P |
| 19:45.12 | HotFalafel | can anyone help me booting a kernel and entering my USB HDD as my root disk ? |
| 19:45.17 | ribnitz | toresbe: the sun variant? STOP? |
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| 19:45.23 | HotFalafel | the config is, NTLDR -> GRUB -> kernel on my internal FAT drive -> initrd.gz on int FAT drive -> initrd init USB modules -> USB harddrive |
| 19:45.28 | nasty | willis, I don't see any packages for it.. you may want to try www.kernel.org and just go with compiling from source |
| 19:45.32 | HotFalafel | I have done the initrd part |
| 19:45.35 | toresbe | nasty: And I'm going to have a field day in the emacsrc :) |
| 19:45.41 | HotFalafel | the kernel/module succesfully detected the USB HDD as /dev/sda.. and listed all the partitions correctly |
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| 19:45.51 | toresbe | ribnitz: It's got more keys than the sun :) |
| 19:45.52 | HotFalafel | but the kernel panicked after that |
| 19:45.53 | nasty | toresbe, haha do it! do it! |
| 19:46.08 | nasty | HotFalafel, what kernel you running? |
| 19:46.10 | ribnitz | toresbe: one of those wyse things? |
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| 19:46.12 | HotFalafel | kernel says: VFS: cant make "sda5" or unknown block (0,0) root |
| 19:46.18 | willis | nasty ... check open.mosix site ... it is a kernel ... for clustering .. |
| 19:46.18 | HotFalafel | nasty, the new 2.6.10 |
| 19:46.20 | toresbe | nasty: Hehe, This KB is actually PS/2 compatible... naah naah :) |
| 19:46.29 | toresbe | ribnitz: Tandberg Data |
| 19:46.31 | ribnitz | HotFalafel: USB-Root is not a good idea. |
| 19:46.39 | HotFalafel | ribnitz, why ? |
| 19:46.47 | HotFalafel | ribnitz: I need it anyway |
| 19:46.50 | ribnitz | toresbe: only know them from streamers, did they make terminals? |
| 19:46.55 | HotFalafel | security is not my priority |
| 19:46.57 | willis | kniioppix -cluster is a knoppix cd ... based on knoppix .. but auto cluster's you ... |
| 19:47.09 | toresbe | ribnitz: Yeah, they're halfway out of that business now |
| 19:47.12 | willis | yet i need the debial ... packages .. |
| 19:47.15 | nasty | HotFalafel, you've got USB hard drive support compiled in or module? |
| 19:47.24 | toresbe | ribnitz: But they made aaaawesome terminals in the day |
| 19:47.25 | HotFalafel | nasty, yeah |
| 19:47.26 | nasty | willis, oic.. looking now |
| 19:47.26 | willis | Knoppix is based on a debian core .. |
| 19:47.29 | ribnitz | HotFalafel: machine wont boot with hdd unplugged. no hotswap. |
| 19:47.30 | HotFalafel | nasty, it has been detected |
| 19:47.32 | toresbe | ribnitz: Really ergonomic ones, too |
| 19:47.42 | abrotman | HotFalafel: you would need a custom kernel .. ask the people who do IBM blades like the HS20 .. USB drives fucking suck |
| 19:47.43 | nasty | HotFalafel, how bout hotplug? |
| 19:47.59 | nasty | HotFalafel, hotplug should be able to work with it |
| 19:48.05 | toresbe | ribnitz: alas, the CRT seems badly worn or misajusted |
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| 19:48.08 | ribnitz | toresbe: I only knew (and hated) the Digital ones. VT320, VT340, VT200 |
| 19:48.11 | HotFalafel | nasty, the kernel listed all the partitions |
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| 19:48.20 | toresbe | ribnitz: They were sh*t in comparison |
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| 19:48.25 | sean | if I mkfifo, does the data therein survive a reboot, or is it RAM only? |
| 19:48.26 | HotFalafel | nasty, sda1 sda2 < sda3 ....... sda7 > sda8 |
| 19:48.38 | greycat | sean: RAM |
| 19:48.39 | HotFalafel | nasty, sda5 is my root |
| 19:48.41 | nasty | HotFalafel, and kernel outright panicked? |
| 19:48.42 | sean | greycat: thanks |
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| 19:48.47 | HotFalafel | nasty, yeah |
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| 19:48.57 | hp_omnifook_2000 | hello, i've got a quite silly question: while i'm still trying to get APM running, my kernel (2.6.8.1) config says that i need an APM module. i have found several sites which mention such a thing, but i never could make out how to obtain this mysterious piece.. Does anyone know which debian package (for sarge) this "apm module" is? |
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| 19:49.04 | HotFalafel | nasty, I have put sleep 30 in the linuxrc in intrd |
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| 19:49.12 | nasty | HotFalafel, does the drive have a bootloader on it or is chainloaded? |
| 19:49.12 | HotFalafel | nasty, but it's still the same error |
| 19:49.28 | ribnitz | hp_omnifook_2000: modprobe apm |
| 19:49.30 | HotFalafel | nasty, config : NTLDR -> GRUB -> kernel on my internal FAT drive -> initrd.gz on int FAT drive -> initrd init USB modules -> USB harddrive |
| 19:49.31 | toresbe | ribnitz: This text one was contemporary with the VT220, but used a 15" CRT and a 75Hz refresh rate |
| 19:49.34 | hp_omnifook_2000 | thx |
| 19:49.47 | toresbe | ribnitz: as opposed to the VT220s 12" and 60Hz |
| 19:50.09 | vwirem | I installed postfix and debian automatically started it. Why is this done? Is there any way to prevent such behaviour? |
| 19:50.12 | ribnitz | toresbe: does the term MUD ring a bell? |
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| 19:50.23 | abrotman | HotFalafel: you still need a custom kernel |
| 19:50.24 | hp_omnifook_2000 | ribnitz: ?? the command line doesn't show anything ... |
| 19:50.24 | toresbe | ribnitz: Multi-user domain? |
| 19:50.27 | ribnitz | vwirem: you'll want an MTA: |
| 19:50.31 | greycat | vwirem: why does it matter? |
| 19:50.35 | ribnitz | hp_omnifook_2000: syslog does. |
| 19:50.37 | nasty | HotFalafel, oooooh, i got you now, you want a portable linux box on usb drive... Damn dude.. I've never done that before >< |
| 19:50.49 | HotFalafel | abrotman, a kernel and a custom initrd wont do ? |
| 19:50.53 | vwirem | greycat, because I want to configure it first... |
| 19:50.58 | HotFalafel | nasty, ahh... thanks anyway |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | HotFalafel: seriously doubt it |
| 19:51.04 | abrotman | asg: ping? |
| 19:51.11 | ribnitz | vwirem: configure, then restart? |
| 19:51.12 | greycat | vwirem: and the 5 seconds it takes you to shut it down are going to cause you physical injury? |
| 19:51.20 | HotFalafel | shyt.. now I have to meddle with C |
| 19:51.23 | HotFalafel | : ( |
| 19:51.27 | abrotman | uhm ... no |
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| 19:51.29 | ribnitz | greycat: thread to life and limb. |
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| 19:51.50 | abrotman | HotFalafel: you need to make your own kernel .. it's not that difficult .. no C required |
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| 19:51.58 | HotFalafel | abrotzman did you mean a custom patched kernel, or a custom configed kernel |
| 19:52.01 | HotFalafel | abrotman, done that |
| 19:52.14 | abrotman | custom config |
| 19:52.15 | HotFalafel | abrotman, my kernel is custom configured |
| 19:52.24 | CurryPork | can i repair my xfree86 from knoppix? |
| 19:52.25 | vwirem | greycat, this is not a nice behaviour... The default action should be just to install it... |
| 19:52.26 | greycat | vwirem: you could create a no-op (#!/bin/sh exit 0 chmod 755) /etc/init.d/postfix before installing, then say NO when it asks you whether to overwrite that, then let it install and do nothing when it starts up, then replace the init.d script with the proper one. |
| 19:52.29 | ribnitz | Any way to get the three extra keys of my mouse working? |
| 19:52.38 | abrotman | HotFalafel: you hvae a usb cd and HDD? |
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| 19:52.48 | HotFalafel | abrotman, USB HDD |
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| 19:53.14 | EdibleText | HotFalafel, hmm what filesystem is on the usbdrive? is there support built in to the kernel or as a module, and if it is a module does initrd cover it |
| 19:53.20 | vwirem | greycat, what a mess.... |
| 19:53.25 | abrotman | HotFalafel: i still think you need a custom kernel with all your drivers built in |
| 19:53.25 | HotFalafel | EdibleText: EXT2 |
| 19:53.27 | HotFalafel | ext2 |
| 19:53.35 | HotFalafel | abrotman, tried that |
| 19:53.50 | HotFalafel | abrotman, the modules load in a bad order |
| 19:54.03 | HotFalafel | abrotman, and there was no sleep in between USB modules and init |
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| 19:54.19 | greycat | vwirem: file a bug report, then |
| 19:54.21 | HotFalafel | abrotman, initrd worked for USB detection and setup |
| 19:54.33 | paulswm | vwirem: you can always take it up with the package maintainer |
| 19:54.43 | HotFalafel | abrotman, but kernel panicked because it cant find /dev/sda |
| 19:54.53 | HotFalafel | it's pretty weird |
| 19:55.20 | HotFalafel | EdibleText: ext2 is built on the disc |
| 19:55.29 | EdibleText | HotFalafel, you have the devices in /dev ? |
| 19:55.31 | HotFalafel | sorry, on the kernel |
| 19:55.33 | vwirem | greycat, paulswm: It seems that it is not just postfix... apache does it too... I'm afraid it is a default policy of debian. |
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| 19:55.40 | HotFalafel | EdibleText: I cant make it to init yet |
| 19:55.47 | paulswm | vwirem: yes, it is generally |
| 19:56.02 | greycat | vwirem: it's normally not a problem. |
| 19:56.06 | paulswm | vwirem: I find it convenient |
| 19:56.13 | HotFalafel | edibletext, but Kernel listed all the partitions on the USB HDD correctly |
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| 19:56.17 | abrotman | HotFalafel: no modules ... |
| 19:56.18 | greycat | the default configs are generally sensible |
| 19:56.22 | abrotman | HotFalafel: or rather .. no initrd modules |
| 19:56.32 | abrotman | HotFalafel: the drivers you *need* .. compile them in |
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| 19:56.35 | HotFalafel | abrotman, but that doesnt work.. I have tried |
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| 19:56.51 | abrotman | HotFalafel: doesn't work doesn't help .. why doesn't it work? |
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| 19:57.02 | HotFalafel | abrotman, there is no sleep in between USB module loading and init |
| 19:57.20 | abrotman | no modules |
| 19:57.34 | HotFalafel | abrotman , the USB *drivers* are not properly inited yet when the kernel tried to init that way |
| 19:57.35 | abrotman | if has to do with your HDD .. it shuld be not be a module |
| 19:57.45 | HotFalafel | sorry, yeah I interchanged modules with drivers |
| 19:57.51 | paulswm | one man's goose is another man's gander |
| 19:57.58 | greycat | um. |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | HotFalafel: so you're saying the drivers haven't loaded before it tries to mount / ? |
| 19:58.08 | HotFalafel | but yeah, there is no sleep between USB driver loading and init |
| 19:58.13 | HotFalafel | yep |
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| 19:58.23 | EdibleText | perhaps in some transgendered communuties |
| 19:58.26 | HotFalafel | abrotman, if I do a monolithic kernel, |
| 19:58.45 | HotFalafel | abrotman, it will panic, and suddenly after that, appears a msg of USB being detected |
| 19:58.50 | HotFalafel | just after it panicked |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | it detects usb and panics? |
| 19:59.07 | EdibleText | HotFalafel, whoa, thats new |
| 19:59.07 | HotFalafel | no |
| 19:59.33 | HotFalafel | It tried to init while the USB driver is loading |
| 19:59.34 | abrotman | HotFalafel: what is this machine for? |
| 19:59.43 | HotFalafel | so the drive is not properly set up yet |
| 20:00.13 | HotFalafel | and then after it panicked, the driver finished loading, and the USB detected msg came after the panic msg |
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| 20:00.22 | HotFalafel | abrotman, it's a portable linux |
| 20:00.43 | abrotman | HotFalafel: apparently not :) |
| 20:00.54 | HotFalafel | abrotman: supposedly ;) |
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| 20:01.03 | abrotman | HotFalafel: maybe ask the #kernel people how to make it wait? |
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| 20:01.09 | HotFalafel | hmm.. |
| 20:01.16 | RolandU | I installed apache2, installed php 4, read the manual, still php-files aren't getting parsed. What's wrong? |
| 20:01.16 | HotFalafel | abrotman, they are asleep |
| 20:01.18 | HotFalafel | all of them |
| 20:01.24 | abrotman | HotFalafel: they can't all be asleep |
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| 20:01.33 | HotFalafel | abrotman, I can change the C files |
| 20:01.36 | HotFalafel | surely |
| 20:01.53 | HotFalafel | but that doesnt seem be the correct way to do it |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | HotFalafel: i'm sure you can.. but i don't have the knowledge to tell you how |
| 20:02.03 | HotFalafel | except if this is really a bug |
| 20:02.09 | abrotman | HotFalafel: which is why i'm telling you to ask #kernel .. |
| 20:02.28 | HotFalafel | I have asked 30 mins ago |
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| 20:02.29 | gurubie | Why is Debian Sarge netinstall CD a better way to get a fully functional desktop than using mepis to get to Debian (converted)? Which is harder, a conversion or Debian build up? |
| 20:02.31 | abrotman | HotFalafel: you're basically takling about booting off a USB device |
| 20:02.31 | HotFalafel | nobody answered |
| 20:02.39 | HotFalafel | I am asking for the 2nd time now |
| 20:02.41 | abrotman | HotFalafel: you could try checking the kernel config on the sarge usb installer |
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| 20:02.43 | HotFalafel | yeah |
| 20:02.56 | abrotman | gurubie: use mepis doesn't give you debian |
| 20:03.00 | abrotman | err using |
| 20:03.05 | HotFalafel | abrotman, I use the slackware CD to modify my initrd |
| 20:03.05 | ribnitz | gurubie: you try deb installer, thats easier. |
| 20:03.07 | resiak | gurubie: Because using Mepis to get you onto Debian won't actually make your system be Debian. |
| 20:03.11 | stew | gurubie: sarge is better becusae if you are running mepis you wont get support here |
| 20:03.19 | destr0 | when I run apt-get upgrade, it says The following packages have been kept back: subversion why does it keep some packages back? |
| 20:03.21 | teprrr | evenings.. I'm having a slight problem with my newly installed debian; mouse's 2nd button doesn't work.. xev says it creates keymapnotify event, when it should do mousepress one.. anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | HotFalafel: did you check the config for the usb installer? |
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| 20:03.34 | stew | is it friday yet? |
| 20:03.35 | ribnitz | destr0: dependencies changed. |
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| 20:03.48 | HotFalafel | abrotman, and I am sure the kernel will do fine if it loads and get rooted onto an internal HDD |
| 20:03.48 | MoRLoCh | hello, I have just installed sarge through debootstrap... I have installed the packages, done the base-config and lilo, reboot, and I get many errors saying something like "/dev/null: permission denied"... I have checked /dev is root:root rwxr-xr-x and for example null is rw-rw-rw- (I have also tried to delete all and sun MAKEDEV generic but no luck... what am I missing? |
| 20:03.49 | ribnitz | stew: depends on your timezone. |
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| 20:03.56 | stew | heh |
| 20:04.07 | HotFalafel | abrotman, but I dont want to that |
| 20:04.07 | destr0 | ribnitz: is there a way that I can get subversion to upgrade? |
| 20:04.13 | HotFalafel | *do |
| 20:04.21 | gurubie | abrotman: Why then can't it be converted? |
| 20:04.23 | abrotman | HotFalafel: but i'm saying .. check the USB installer |
| 20:04.24 | greycat | MoRLoCh: it should be 666 not 755 |
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| 20:04.38 | MoRLoCh | greycat: /dev ? |
| 20:04.39 | greycat | oh, I didn't read carefully enough. |
| 20:04.41 | HotFalafel | abrotman: sarge's ? |
| 20:04.42 | tony | anyone familiar with 'mailman'? |
| 20:04.50 | gurubie | ribnitz: I have and It install a base system perhaps easier. |
| 20:04.51 | greycat | MoRLoCh: ls -ld / /dev /dev/null |
| 20:04.57 | HotFalafel | abrotman, where can I get it ? |
| 20:04.59 | abrotman | gurubie: we don't know what mepis does .. even if you "upgrade" to debian . we can't ever be 100% sure of its prior state or how the upgrade will act |
| 20:05.06 | HotFalafel | : is not familiar with Debian at all |
| 20:05.08 | abrotman | HotFalafel: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 20:05.09 | MacTheKnife | where can I find a irc chat about NOAA Satellites? |
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| 20:05.12 | HotFalafel | ah thanks |
| 20:05.22 | tony | what is the default user and permissions for a private lists 'index.html' |
| 20:05.26 | MoRLoCh | greycat: / is 755 and /dev also, null is 666 |
| 20:05.33 | gurubie | resiak: Why can't it be converted and is it easier? |
| 20:05.35 | greycat | MoRLoCh: then the problem must be something more subtle. |
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| 20:05.47 | ribnitz | gurubie: Run the netinst cd and create a clean sytem (formatting the disks). |
| 20:05.58 | abrotman | gurubie: i just told you why |
| 20:06.02 | marsjays | anyone isntalled php5 in debian? |
| 20:06.09 | abrotman | !php5 |
| 20:06.09 | dpkg | [php5] at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system |
| 20:06.20 | ribnitz | marsjays: is it packaged yet? |
| 20:06.27 | gurubie | stew: So you vote for a conversion to Sarge? |
| 20:06.32 | marsjays | abrotman: thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 20:06.43 | MoRLoCh | greycat: like what for example? I tried to boot knoppix, mounted with -odev, chroot there and I can do > /dev/null |
| 20:06.44 | visik7 | Hi |
| 20:06.54 | abrotman | erm . ok |
| 20:07.01 | abrotman | petete: stop trying to irc as root |
| 20:07.05 | visik7 | I would like to use make -j 2 with make-kpkg how can I do it ? |
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| 20:07.44 | RolandU | Should apt-get install php4 also install the module into apache? |
| 20:07.51 | greycat | MoRLoCh: ok, my second guess is "you are using either devfs or udev; STOP that!" |
| 20:08.01 | ribnitz | RolandU: It'lkl do most of that. |
| 20:08.15 | gurubie | abrotman: OK that's a good answer but I guess I'm loking for specifics as to Debian's prior state. |
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| 20:08.23 | racoontje|clone | hi |
| 20:08.24 | resiak | RolandU: You still need to run a2enmod as root to enable the module. |
| 20:08.30 | MoRLoCh | greycat: I rtied both 2.4 and 2.6 thinking about udev... should I remove the package udev? |
| 20:08.32 | racoontje|clone | note, sussudio, et al |
| 20:08.39 | RolandU | resiak, what's that? |
| 20:08.39 | abrotman | gurubie: what do oyu mean? ... mepis can't be turned into debian .. end of discussion |
| 20:08.50 | racoontje|clone | racoontje is not a clueless knoppix user that thinks knoppix = debian |
| 20:08.55 | racoontje|clone | I'm using knoppix to debootstrap |
| 20:08.57 | resiak | RolandU: man a2enmod |
| 20:09.01 | vwirem | If I delete the /etc/rcx.d slinks for apache and sometime debian decides to upgrate it, these slinks will be recreated? |
| 20:09.01 | ribnitz | MoRLoCh: neither devfs nor udev are in a state where you likely want them. |
| 20:09.01 | racoontje|clone | because it detects my hardware properly |
| 20:09.04 | racoontje|clone | unlike others |
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| 20:09.21 | racoontje|clone | ribnitz, udev gets the "works-for-me" label of excellence |
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| 20:09.27 | resiak | !tell racoontje|clone about enter |
| 20:09.27 | racoontje|clone | plus, devfs is deprecated anyways |
| 20:09.29 | abrotman | what the fuck |
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| 20:09.37 | mh_le | the first cd of sarge can be used as a boot cd for the net install, right? |
| 20:09.37 | abrotman | !tell racoontje|clone about knoppix |
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| 20:09.44 | hexxeh | !magic hate ball |
| 20:09.46 | hexxeh | mh_le, yes |
| 20:09.47 | abrotman | yes! |
| 20:09.54 | RolandU | resiak, shouldn't it do that automatically or at least tell me about it when installing? |
| 20:09.55 | ribnitz | racoontje|clone: "Works-for-me-but-not-using-it-is-alot-more-painless"? |
| 20:10.02 | racoontje|clone | abrotman, hey! |
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| 20:10.12 | mh_le | hexxeh: thanks :) |
| 20:10.13 | racoontje|clone | ribnitz, painless? Don't know, don't use debian |
| 20:10.24 | MoRLoCh | ribnitz: sorry, I don't speak english very well, what do you mean? |
| 20:10.24 | racoontje|clone | i know it works flawlessly on gentoo, but that's about it |
| 20:10.27 | resiak | RolandU: No, because you might not want the PHP module in your apache, given its history. |
| 20:10.35 | racoontje|clone | so udev as a system can't be broken |
| 20:10.37 | xerophyte | how can benchmark a script |
| 20:10.41 | ribnitz | MoRLoCh: neither devfs nor udev are in a state where you likely want them. |
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| 20:10.45 | racoontje|clone | xerophyte, time |
| 20:10.56 | racoontje|clone | ribnitz, you're repeating yourself |
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| 20:10.58 | ribnitz | MoRLoCh: I meant: dont use them, dont use udev. |
| 20:11.10 | RolandU | resiak, it replies that that module is already running, but my browser still asks me which application to use |
| 20:11.11 | w00t_ | how can i download unstable kdevelop package with apt-get? |
| 20:11.20 | MoRLoCh | ribnitz: well I didn't actually mean to hehe, it came in as dependency of gnome (which is weird) |
| 20:11.28 | racoontje|clone | btw, am I missing something or is there no 2.6.10 in unstable yet |
| 20:11.38 | hexxeh | racoontje, you're missing something. |
| 20:11.42 | abrotman | surprise |
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| 20:11.52 | racoontje|clone | (i mean kernel-sources) |
| 20:11.53 | hexxeh | !info kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 sid |
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| 20:11.56 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-4 (sid), Packaged size: 15685 kB, Installed size: 45732 kB |
| 20:12.04 | ribnitz | Suppose I were an illiterate analphabet. Would I be able to install debian? |
| 20:12.05 | racoontje|clone | not image, kernel sources. vanilla if possible. |
| 20:12.08 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: The problem here is that udev doesn't work. Devfs does. Deprecation is kind of irrelevant in that light. |
| 20:12.14 | racoontje|clone | ribnitz, most likely not |
| 20:12.24 | MoRLoCh | ribnitz and greycat: I tried after update-rc.d -f remove udev but same problem |
| 20:12.35 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, really? it works flawlessly for me, on gentoo, but I can't say anything about debian cuz I haven't tried it |
| 20:12.38 | ribnitz | racoontje|clone: should we not counter that? |
| 20:12.48 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.58 | gurubie | abrotman: "end of disscussion" OK, and I understand what room this is, but I'm looking for ANY way to save time. I even understand you stament about not knowing anything about mepis. I believe you mean to keep things seperate for support. I get it. |
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| 20:13.00 | resiak | RolandU: Uh... Hmm. I don't use PHP, so... Uncomment the line with application x-httpd-php .php perhaps? |
| 20:13.13 | abrotman | gurubie: the sarge installer is actually quite good .. try it out |
| 20:13.13 | racoontje|clone | nvz, I know that... But I'm used to gentoo, which keeps my kernel-sources up to date. I get to build my kernel myself though :-) |
| 20:13.34 | nvz | racoontje|clone: cover up, your ignorance is showing |
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| 20:13.40 | resiak | RolandU: (In /etc/apache2/apache2.conf that is.) One argument for not being immediately obvious is that you ought to know what you're doing when you're running an httpd. |
| 20:13.43 | ribnitz | abrotman: "actually quite good" is an understatement. |
| 20:13.43 | visik7 | I would like to use make -j 2 with make-kpkg how can I do it ? |
| 20:13.50 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: Define "flawlessly," Hah. Udev doesn't handle most dynamic situations, forcing me to specify devices in configuration files. At which point I'd rather use static device files. Luckily, I have devfs. |
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| 20:14.00 | abrotman | ribnitz: tell gurubie |
| 20:14.00 | racoontje|clone | nvz, what are you talking about, udev or kernel-sources? |
| 20:14.06 | nvz | racoontje|clone: www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/LATEST-IS.. blah blah blah.. the urls are the same all the time |
| 20:14.16 | abrotman | !tell racoontje|clone about kp |
| 20:14.19 | nvz | racoontje|clone: making a script or cronjob to run wget or something is simple |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | racoontje|clone: if you like gentoo .. why are you here? |
| 20:14.30 | ribnitz | abrotman: I tried it on a newbie recently, and they liked it. Personally I don't believe you'll find anything better in the linux/unix world. |
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| 20:14.51 | cuidn | debian is good:) |
| 20:14.52 | racoontje|clone | abrotman, ehh, because gentoo and debian aren't mutually exclusive? |
| 20:14.53 | w00t_ | how can i download unstable version kdevelop package with apt-get? |
| 20:14.57 | RolandU | resiak, do I need to uncomment the line? The same line is in mods-enabled/php4.conf |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | racoontje|clone: then stop extolling the "virtues' of gentoo |
| 20:15.20 | racoontje|clone | abrotman, I have a fancy high-end gentoo tinkerbox, that doesn't mean I don't have pentium2's too ;-) |
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| 20:15.24 | cahoot | visik7: the man page says to set the concurrency_level |
| 20:15.25 | paulswm | gurubie: if you want to install sarge using the sarge installer, we're here to help - and it's a channel, not a room, btw :) |
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| 20:15.28 | resiak | RolandU: Uh, I don't know. Have you restarted the server since loading the module? |
| 20:15.30 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: Perhaps, but #gentoo and #debian are. So shut your hole. |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | racoontje|clone: lovely ... |
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| 20:15.52 | nvz | settle down people (: |
| 20:15.55 | racoontje|clone | please, why the hostility |
| 20:15.58 | racoontje|clone | exactly nvz |
| 20:16.14 | bucky | udev works http://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1181 |
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| 20:16.24 | Speedyfire | hi, i have a short question about installing a new screen on deb. The resolution is limited to 800*600 and I dont know what to modifiy to change it. |
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| 20:16.27 | bucky | racoontje|clone, use and tell us how you like it |
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| 20:16.47 | MoRLoCh | any other hint? |
| 20:16.50 | js_ | does it take some time for a raid5 array to build up before i can use it? |
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| 20:16.57 | pipeline | js_: You can use it while it's building. |
| 20:17.01 | racoontje|clone | js_: md? |
| 20:17.09 | pipeline | bucky: Try udev with md, then try devfs with md and THEN tell me that udev is worthwhile. |
| 20:17.12 | racoontje|clone | bucky: wtf? |
| 20:17.29 | bucky | lol, i know |
| 20:17.33 | js_ | pipeline: ok, how can i see when it's done though? |
| 20:17.35 | racoontje|clone | pipeline: is udev really broken on debian? I'm going to try that then, it's a tinkerbox anyway |
| 20:17.37 | Speedyfire | hm, command found, sorry for trouble ;) |
| 20:17.49 | bucky | racoontje|clone, google it |
| 20:17.51 | RolandU | resiak, can apache and apache2 run at the same time? |
| 20:17.54 | resiak | racoontje|clone: It works, but only for some values of working. |
| 20:17.59 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, I know, I get to keep both pieces |
| 20:18.00 | js_ | when i format my array i get an error about it not being able to read something, and when it's done i can't mount it |
| 20:18.01 | racoontje|clone | funny |
| 20:18.03 | resiak | RolandU: I don't know, but I suspect that it would be unwise. |
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| 20:18.29 | racoontje|clone | it USED to break on gentoo, but now we have some fancy initscripts. maybe worthwhile checking them out? they are python though |
| 20:18.33 | bucky | racoontje|clone, i gave you a link.. if you can't read you won't like linux |
| 20:18.42 | EdibleText | RolandU, I suspect yes.. but youll have to run on different ports/interfaces |
| 20:18.44 | racoontje|clone | bucky, yeah, sorry, missed that |
| 20:19.15 | racoontje|clone | bucky, also, I've used linux since 2.0.something... I'm literate ;-) |
| 20:19.25 | bucky | udev works http://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1181 |
| 20:19.25 | pipeline | js_: mdadm --detail <any device that's part of the raid array> or cat /proc/mdstat |
| 20:19.42 | pipeline | bucky: Repeating yourself doesn't make it true. |
| 20:19.42 | EdibleText | !repeat bucky |
| 20:19.43 | RolandU | EdibleText, thats what my standard-installation did |
| 20:19.48 | racoontje|clone | bucky, yeah but 5 people here just told me udev breaks horribly |
| 20:19.57 | Atropine | anyone knows where i can get help about flex ? |
| 20:20.01 | reto_ | http://pkgsrc.netbsd.se/?cat=wip&pkg=1824 :O) |
| 20:20.08 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: I'm sure udev works at least as well on Debian as on your previous distribution. But that's not saying much. |
| 20:21.07 | racoontje|clone | pipeline: got a description of what happens? nodes don't get made and you need mknod to fix it? |
| 20:21.07 | MoRLoCh | but apparently it's not udev that gives these problems since I have disabled it and still I get permission denied |
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| 20:21.08 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, well, that's funny you should say that... udev used to break on gentoo, but after some init script runecasting, it works |
| 20:21.08 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: Nodes don't get made. Nodes don't get updated. Nodes don't get deleted. You have to manage nodes by hand or add things to your udev configurations. It totally defeats the purpose of having a dynamic dev. |
| 20:21.08 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, so maybe it's worth checking out, if you wanna fix udev :-) |
| 20:21.10 | gurubie | Thank you |
| 20:21.13 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, that's exactly what it used to do on gentoo |
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| 20:21.19 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, it works now though |
| 20:21.22 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: My point all along is that I believe udev to be inherently broken. It's not a debian problem, it's a udev-sucks-ass issue. |
| 20:21.30 | takatumi | racoontje|clone: udev works fine here just fine, haven't really tweaked anything. |
| 20:21.58 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, how can it NOT be a debian problem when you keep all circumstances, change debian, and fix the problem? |
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| 20:22.23 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, like I said, it died horribly on gentoo too ;-) |
| 20:22.25 | debd00d | whats a webpage that has a good simple howto for making .deb's |
| 20:22.34 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, I'll look up the bugtraq |
| 20:22.34 | visik7 | cahoot thank |
| 20:22.55 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, it was some unused old devfs code in an initscript somewhere that broke udev |
| 20:23.03 | bucky | racoontje|clone, Marco d'Itri has a fix for it |
| 20:23.12 | takatumi | pipeline: I just dist-upgraded sid, have been using it ever since I started with sid. haven't manually created any /dev yet. |
| 20:23.15 | bucky | that's what the link says |
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| 20:23.53 | racoontje|clone | pipeline? |
| 20:24.01 | racoontje|clone | Oh boy, I scared another one |
| 20:24.02 | takatumi | racoontje|clone? |
| 20:24.20 | racoontje|clone | takatumi? I was poking pipeline ;-) he seems to have run away |
| 20:24.26 | greycat | debd00d: /msg dpkg mg |
| 20:24.32 | racoontje|clone | I've found the gentoo bugtraq with fix, may be intresting for him |
| 20:24.37 | takatumi | dunno why ;) |
| 20:24.37 | bucky | racoontje|clone, you just want to argue... and you're wasting our time |
| 20:24.38 | HeIgll2432 | Is it hard to install new video card drivers once you upgrade your video card if debian is already installed? |
| 20:24.49 | racoontje|clone | bucky, actually, I don't ;-) |
| 20:24.52 | greycat | HeIgll2432: what makes you think you need to? |
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| 20:25.02 | racoontje|clone | bucky, as people in the channel pointed out, udev isn't horribly broken |
| 20:25.05 | debd00d | greycat: thanks agian for the help |
| 20:25.09 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: It's not a bug. It is the way udev was designed. It just doesn't work with md. Period. |
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| 20:25.15 | bucky | racoontje|clone, thanks for the news |
| 20:25.36 | HeIgll2432 | well..what I want to do right now is install debian, and then i will need to get a video card with a tv out becuase i want it to be like a freevo/mythtv box |
| 20:25.37 | visik7 | cahoot I can't find anything about concurrency level |
| 20:25.39 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: As in, from day one, it is inherently broken. Managing devices in userspace, dynamically, just isn't the brightest idea on earth. |
| 20:25.41 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, would these be md devices loaded at kernel boot, or assembled during runtime |
| 20:25.47 | HeIgll2432 | and im fairly noobish when it comes to linux |
| 20:25.55 | takatumi | pipeline: I have read a few mail on d-u and d-d about udev, feel it's all crap. udev works fine. Period. |
| 20:25.59 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: It's irrelevant, neither one works with udev. Try it yourself. |
| 20:26.03 | takatumi | s/mail/mails |
| 20:26.19 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: You have to bend over backwards and lick your ass to use it, I'll stick with plain old "devfs=mount." |
| 20:26.25 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, I will, it seems to work for takatumi though |
| 20:26.29 | MoRLoCh | wow I think I have found the reason, silly mistake: in fstab the root was mounted "noexec" |
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| 20:26.34 | cahoot | visik7: export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 |
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| 20:27.36 | HeIgll2432 | and i had also been told that it is hard to get the tv out working on ATI cards, is that true? |
| 20:27.39 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, come on man, no need for offense... here it worked after "emerge -C devfsd && emerge udev"... but it USED to break unlike devfs... but nowadays it works too |
| 20:27.46 | bucky | racoontje|clone, if you want to just chit chat there are 993 people in #gentoo |
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| 20:28.00 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, there's no reason it ought to break in debian |
| 20:28.14 | bucky | racoontje|clone, they'll be glad to entertain you |
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| 20:28.23 | MoRLoCh | well thanks for the help |
| 20:28.25 | MoRLoCh | see you |
| 20:28.27 | racoontje|clone | bucky, actually, I'm arguing why a perfectly good system dies in debian and doesn't in $DISTRO |
| 20:28.27 | MoRLoCh | ciao |
| 20:28.32 | relex | hello. i'm having some trouble loading my sound modules |
| 20:28.34 | takatumi | racoontje|clone: are you trolling? |
| 20:28.38 | archivist | can anyone tell me where I can get a list of available NIC module names for debian |
| 20:28.38 | RolandU | how do I restart apache2? |
| 20:28.46 | bucky | racoontje|clone, as i said.. you just want to argue |
| 20:28.50 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: As I've said a dozen fucking times, it's not a debian problem. It will break the exact same way in gentoo. It is a design issue with udev. |
| 20:28.54 | HeIgll2432 | ./httpd restart? |
| 20:28.55 | relex | i just recompiled them from the alsa source but i get errors. they are too big to paste here, can anyone join #flood ? |
| 20:29.01 | Oddi | rolandu: apachectl -k restart ? |
| 20:29.09 | racoontje|clone | takatumi, I'm not really... I've just grown used to udev, and I find reports of it dying worrying |
| 20:29.28 | Random832 | i don't see the point of udev |
| 20:29.29 | hexxeh | udev is the devil, for the most part |
| 20:29.32 | ribnitz | what was the name of that X11 shoot-them up thats so unnice to hw? |
| 20:29.33 | Random832 | or devfs |
| 20:29.38 | Random832 | or whatever's going to replace it next |
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| 20:29.46 | relex | does anyone know why loading alsa modules on a 2.4.27-1-k7 image fails with unresolved symbol errors? |
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| 20:29.47 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: Let's put it this way, devfs will never be removed from the kernel. That's pretty much all there is to it. Too many people using it, it's too useful, and udev sucks too much. |
| 20:29.48 | takatumi | racoontje|clone: other than raid devices, pretty much everything works here. |
| 20:29.53 | usuallydumb | hi |
| 20:29.53 | HeIgll2432 | greycat? |
| 20:30.11 | pipeline | Random832: The thing is, other operating systems don't have this problem. Everyone BUT the linux kernel devs consider devfs to be a solved problem. |
| 20:30.19 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, As I've said a dozen fucking times, it used to die in gentoo, and it doesn't anymore, so obviously something userspace is broken. |
| 20:30.28 | bucky | racoontje|clone, if you just want to argue... /join #mulsims-shot-VanGogh |
| 20:30.29 | usuallydumb | I was Usual Suspect yesterday and spoke with Greycat and others |
| 20:30.44 | Random832 | pipeline: no - what i meant, is i don't have any idea why people can't just maintain their own /dev |
| 20:30.46 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, maybe you're right though |
| 20:30.47 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: Udev *is* userspace. And the gentoo "fix" is hackery to create the equivalent of a static device node -- it doesn't actually fix udev. |
| 20:30.57 | usuallydumb | I tried to get Debian going on my machine but was unsuccessful |
| 20:31.00 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, wtf are you talking about |
| 20:31.07 | racoontje|clone | if I don't have any drivers in my kernel |
| 20:31.10 | HeIgll2432 | usuallydumb, whats the problem? |
| 20:31.14 | usuallydumb | I used netinst and apt-get |
| 20:31.15 | bucky | haha it went over his head |
| 20:31.16 | racoontje|clone | I have no /dev entries |
| 20:31.24 | HeIgll2432 | he |
| 20:31.30 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, that was the old hack you're talking about |
| 20:31.31 | usuallydumb | I could not get a gui |
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| 20:31.39 | HeIgll2432 | isnt it just startx |
| 20:31.40 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 20:31.40 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:31.40 | racoontje|clone | pipeline, nowadays, it isn't the static mknod hack |
| 20:31.41 | usuallydumb | my x server was broken |
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| 20:31.44 | resiak | racoontje|clone: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 20:31.49 | resiak | RolandU: ^^ |
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| 20:31.51 | FieldySnuts | @lart Adobe |
| 20:31.52 | usuallydumb | startx wouldn't work |
| 20:31.53 | resiak | racoontje|clone: Sorry. |
| 20:31.58 | racoontje|clone | pipelineI know we had some mknod crap.... only it isn't this |
| 20:32.05 | usuallydumb | gave me an error on line 2 |
| 20:32.12 | MacTheKnife | what is the best newsgroup grabber program for debian? |
| 20:32.14 | HeIgll2432 | !FAQ |
| 20:32.14 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:32.16 | takatumi | usuallydumb: use punctuation. |
| 20:32.30 | takatumi | usuallydumb: and be more vague. |
| 20:32.37 | usuallydumb | lol |
| 20:32.49 | takatumi | !lol |
| 20:32.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 20:32.52 | relex | hello. when i try to load the modules i need for my sound card it errors out with stuff like this: "/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-cmipci.o: init_module: No such device" does anyone know what the cause can be? |
| 20:33.13 | pipeline | racoontje|clone: It is not as simple as mknod, but it's effectively the same setup. Statically configure the device nodes by editing udev's configuration. That's not a fix. It turns udev into a giant, bloated MAKEDEV script. |
| 20:33.17 | alech | hey, I need some disaster recovery help, please. Dumb as I am I tried to mess with the link for /lib/tls/libc.so.6,, which I now know is a really bad idea. Now I want to restore the right situation, but ln fails with lots of errors ... anyone got an idea how I could solve that? |
| 20:33.36 | usuallydumb | I tried to get x going but was unable even after getting on the network and downloading KDE and all the x components available |
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| 20:33.47 | relex | hello. when i try to load the modules i need for my sound card it errors out with stuff like this: "/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-cmipci.o: init_module: No such device" does anyone know what the cause can be? |
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| 20:33.52 | usuallydumb | startx gave me an error on line 2 |
| 20:33.55 | greycat | usuallydumb: get X running with a NORMAL window manager first, before you mess with KDE or GNOME. |
| 20:33.57 | takatumi | usuallydumb: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 20:34.02 | greycat | !FAQ usuallydumb |
| 20:34.02 | dpkg | usuallydumb: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:34.23 | resiak | usuallydumb: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde gdm # just a thought. |
| 20:34.26 | takatumi | are all of these fresh sarge installs? |
| 20:34.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck Pitstop Software |
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| 20:34.54 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: is that penis envy? |
| 20:35.00 | racoontje|clone | for those wanting to use xorg, I've found stealing ubuntu debs most handy |
| 20:35.08 | resiak | !xorgsmite racoontje|clone |
| 20:35.10 | resiak | Aww. |
| 20:35.16 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:35.19 | takatumi | racoontje|clone: was thinking of trying. |
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| 20:35.23 | bucky | racoontje|clone, does it support opengl ? |
| 20:35.37 | nsanity | has anyone else had any problems w/ samba? |
| 20:35.42 | greycat | !BTS |
| 20:35.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:35.47 | relex | hello. when i try to load the modules i need for my sound card it errors out with stuff like this: "/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-cmipci.o: init_module: No such device" does anyone know what the cause can be? |
| 20:35.56 | usuallydumb | actually, I am becoming convinced that Debian is more advanced than my noobish abilities in Linux...I don't have the problems in Mandrake or Mepis that I always encounter when I try Debian...guess I am not a smart enough geek or have enough patience |
| 20:35.58 | greycat | relex: wrong driver |
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| 20:36.17 | takatumi | usuallydumb: learn. |
| 20:36.22 | mh_le | I'm about to install debian, is there something I need to know about this udev? |
| 20:36.28 | greycat | mh_le: yes. don't use it. |
| 20:36.32 | greycat | and then all will be fine. |
| 20:36.43 | hexxeh | mh_le, avoid it if you can, or bear in mind it hates nvidia |
| 20:36.45 | streuner__ | mh_le: just don't use it. |
| 20:36.55 | HeIgll2432 | so what was the advice...should i just wait until i get the new videocard, and also, when i tried to install debian on my other comptuer, i couldnt use the mouse |
| 20:37.04 | relex | greycat, i've been using this driver for months |
| 20:37.06 | greycat | !FAQ HeIgll2432 |
| 20:37.07 | dpkg | HeIgll2432: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:37.11 | greycat | relex: what did you change? |
| 20:37.17 | relex | greycat, it stopped working after i did a dist-upgrade |
| 20:37.18 | HeIgll2432 | !FAQ HeIgll2432 |
| 20:37.19 | dpkg | HeIgll2432: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:37.20 | takatumi | greycat: with gnome and hal and gnome-volume-manager, get my pendrive automounted icon, how can he not? |
| 20:37.23 | HeIgll2432 | what? |
| 20:37.24 | relex | and that didn't touch my alsa packages |
| 20:37.32 | greycat | relex: find out what broke, and file a bug report. |
| 20:37.38 | mh_le | greycat: is it installed by default? |
| 20:37.45 | greycat | mh_le: no |
| 20:37.52 | resiak | mh_le: Unless you install gnome... |
| 20:37.55 | rafx | what is the typical length of delay between "pending upload" status and actual upload of a package? |
| 20:38.08 | mh_le | resiak: oh.. I plan on installing gnome.. |
| 20:38.27 | relex | greycat, how do i find out what broke |
| 20:38.33 | dondelelcaro | rafx: pending upload means the package has actually been uploaded. It has to actually be installed into the archive at dinstall (or katie) time for you to see it. |
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| 20:38.42 | dondelelcaro | rafx: that (currently) happens once per day. |
| 20:39.10 | resiak | mh_le: As long as you don't install gnome-volume-manager, you don't need udev. |
| 20:39.38 | mh_le | resiak: okay |
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| 20:39.47 | takatumi | !udevsmite resiak |
| 20:39.58 | takatumi | assume it. |
| 20:40.01 | resiak | !smitesmite takatumi |
| 20:40.10 | takatumi | ahhh. |
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| 20:40.30 | Kooka | soa |
| 20:40.32 | Kooka | ha |
| 20:40.33 | Kooka | funtzt |
| 20:40.33 | resiak | !smitesmite $1 is <action> smites $1 with the smiting rod of +10 smiting (used to smite relentless smiters). |
| 20:40.34 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 20:40.38 | Kooka | zumindest glxgears |
| 20:40.50 | streuner__ | Kooka: /msg dpkg enter |
| 20:40.58 | takatumi | !smitesmite Kooka |
| 20:41.03 | rafx | strange... subversion was tagged as pending on 15-jan-2004 and it isn't up yet. maybe something went wrong? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=290610&msg=4 |
| 20:41.14 | Kooka | oohh |
| 20:41.16 | jetscreamer | !smitesmite smite |
| 20:41.17 | Kooka | wrong channel |
| 20:41.18 | Kooka | :) |
| 20:41.22 | Kooka | sorry :) |
| 20:41.30 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 20:41.33 | takatumi | success. |
| 20:41.43 | resiak | !win takatumi |
| 20:41.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, takatumi! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 20:41.53 | jetscreamer | now say it ten times fast |
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| 20:42.11 | takatumi | !mwhaha jetscreamer |
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| 20:42.18 | NormAst | Hi all. |
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| 20:42.26 | NormAst | !ipkg |
| 20:42.29 | NormAst | ~ipkg |
| 20:42.30 | apt | from memory, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml |
| 20:42.35 | NormAst | ~dpkg |
| 20:42.36 | apt | [dpkg] a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 20:42.41 | takatumi | NormAst: fuck off. |
| 20:43.00 | streuner__ | NormAst: use /msg dpkg foo instead, thanks |
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| 20:43.15 | NormAst | takatumi: nice...big works... |
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| 20:43.54 | alonso | Mbit vs Mbps... which is faster? |
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| 20:44.02 | hexxeh | alonso, one byte is 8 bit |
| 20:44.11 | hexxeh | alonso, so one megabyte is 8mbit |
| 20:44.16 | takatumi | alonso: pretty much the same except if it's B |
| 20:44.22 | greycat | alonso: Mbps is Megabits per second. they're the same. |
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| 20:44.39 | nvz | I cant believe I am sitting here stumped on a 3 digit code |
| 20:44.42 | alonso | so its the same speed? |
| 20:44.46 | resiak | nvz: What's that? |
| 20:44.54 | takatumi | alonso: it's the SAME THING. |
| 20:45.05 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:45.08 | greycat | alonso: a lot of idiots mistakenly write "mbps" when they mean "MBps", though. Get clarification. |
| 20:45.32 | hacim | is there a way to rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 20:45.34 | jason___ | I have noticing in libc docs, dhcp clients, and documentation in general that setting and querying a YP domain name is supported, but setting and querying a dns domain name appears to be unsupported. are these actually the same thing? |
| 20:45.34 | NormAst | streuner: Thanks. |
| 20:45.37 | greycat | !available |
| 20:45.37 | dpkg | hmm... available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 20:45.51 | nvz | resiak: I need 3 numbers between 0-9, I tried 187, 180, 188, 646, 616, 164, 940, 000, 123..etc |
| 20:46.08 | tarzeau | nvz: 693 |
| 20:46.13 | takatumi | nvz: 666 |
| 20:46.16 | greycat | nvz: what's the whole question? |
| 20:46.24 | paulswm | nvz: 999 |
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| 20:47.02 | greycat | jason___: no, they're totally different. YP is NIS, the Sun thing. DNS is the Internet name resolution service. |
| 20:47.16 | nvz | I cant figure out the code.. I should know it.. the other was 340, and my logic says the high bit of 340 is 281, is the last code I remeber using with 340.. but its not taking it :/ |
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| 20:47.35 | greycat | "the high bit of 340 is 281"?? |
| 20:47.43 | jason___ | greycat: thanks |
| 20:47.52 | paulswm | stares |
| 20:48.06 | resiak | VRoooooooOOOM! |
| 20:48.09 | nvz | yeah I have to use pairs of 3 digit codes.. the whole code was 281 340 as far as I can remember |
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| 20:48.49 | resiak | Oh, so it's just a "guess the arbitrary 3 digits" game? How boring. |
| 20:49.02 | abrotman | why are you electric? |
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| 20:49.12 | nvz | yeah not kidding |
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| 20:49.18 | nvz | abrotman: give up =P |
| 20:49.34 | abrotman | no way .. some day he will see the question and answer :) |
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| 20:49.43 | HeIgll2432 | ok, ive read the faq, it doesnt tell much about the TV out |
| 20:49.52 | paulswm | abrotman: I'm not holding my breath |
| 20:50.08 | hexxeh | HeIgll2432, using ati in the past, tv out looked broken unless the vesa driver was used |
| 20:50.26 | HeIgll2432 | and how do i do that? whats vesa driver? |
| 20:50.42 | HeIgll2432 | i'm sorry, i dont know much about this. |
| 20:50.43 | prahal | HeIgll2432: tv out with ati is only with the gatos driver |
| 20:50.48 | abrotman | cats! |
| 20:51.00 | Oryn | this is a really odd one, but does or has anyone ever seen a linux box slow down to a halt after about 2-3 hours of uptime? it seems to be disk access related |
| 20:51.09 | HeIgll2432 | ok, so you think i should just get an nvidia card with tv out |
| 20:51.11 | resiak | !stac |
| 20:51.13 | resiak | Aww. |
| 20:51.18 | HeIgll2432 | that should work, right? |
| 20:51.19 | nvz | I only got like 800 more combinations to try here.. heh |
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| 20:51.29 | abrotman | !esac |
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| 20:51.41 | prahal | HeIgll2432: no way ! |
| 20:51.47 | WiFiTux | !won abrotman |
| 20:51.53 | HeIgll2432 | then? all i want is tv out. |
| 20:51.53 | abrotman | win |
| 20:51.56 | HeIgll2432 | what should I do? |
| 20:51.58 | greycat | abrotman: maybe it's because the SteamElf versions kept exploding. |
| 20:51.59 | WiFiTux | !win abrotman |
| 20:52.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 20:52.15 | abrotman | greycat: IceElf might cool though |
| 20:52.17 | WiFiTux | hhmm abrotman what happend to the one way ticket to baghdad? |
| 20:52.24 | abrotman | !win WiFiTux |
| 20:52.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, WiFiTux! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:52.36 | WiFiTux | random. |
| 20:52.36 | abrotman | !literal cmd: win (.*?) |
| 20:52.36 | dpkg | CMD: win (.*?) is ($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Cuba|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Soviet Russia)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)! |
| 20:52.41 | CosmoDad | is there a way to check the changelog prior to installing a package using apt-get ? |
| 20:52.41 | abrotman | it's still there |
| 20:52.57 | abrotman | CosmoDad: packages.debian.org/<pkgname> |
| 20:53.03 | greycat | CosmoDad: or install apt-listchanges |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | CosmoDad: find your version .. check the changelog at the bottom |
| 20:53.29 | HeIgll2432 | so...nvidia or ati? |
| 20:53.38 | greycat | for gaming, nvidia. |
| 20:53.43 | hexxeh | HeIgll2432, for what? |
| 20:53.45 | HeIgll2432 | ok..heres my objective |
| 20:53.49 | nvz | I was watching some funny little cartoon with elves last night |
| 20:53.50 | CosmoDad | greycat: oh yeah used to have that before... |
| 20:53.52 | HeIgll2432 | i want a mythtv/freevo box |
| 20:53.55 | hexxeh | greycat, didn't think i'd ever see you say that |
| 20:53.56 | WiFiTux | greycat, what's ATI for then? |
| 20:54.03 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, sucking. |
| 20:54.07 | greycat | hexxeh: I don't normally do 3d gaming. |
| 20:54.10 | prahal | HeIgll2432: ok mythtv games does not require 3d |
| 20:54.26 | nsanity | how can I tell which package is causing a bug? |
| 20:54.28 | WiFiTux | greycat, for Linux. What should people use. |
| 20:54.32 | sepski | HeIgll2432, i found tv out easier with nvidia, with ati i had to use vesa, i just coudnt get tv out with ati's drivers |
| 20:54.35 | nvz | they were telling the story of why the elves bake cookies and the dwarfs cut mushrooms =P |
| 20:54.35 | greycat | WiFiTux: their brains. |
| 20:54.40 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, for doing what with linux? |
| 20:54.40 | HeIgll2432 | yea, but i need something with tv out.. |
| 20:54.47 | WiFiTux | greycat, video cards! |
| 20:55.00 | WiFiTux | which video card. |
| 20:55.03 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, if you plan on pushing a polygon, nvidia. |
| 20:55.05 | greycat | WiFiTux: define "linux" and "people". /msg dpkg best /msg dpkg start a GPU war |
| 20:55.10 | sepski | HeIgll2432, ati have better quality tv out on it's more expencive cards |
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| 20:55.34 | WiFiTux | greycat, are you telling me, you only answer with canned answers? |
| 20:55.39 | HeIgll2432 | well..i am a linux noob, and have no idea what i am doing |
| 20:55.41 | relex | hello. when i try to load the modules i need for my sound card it errors out with stuff like this: "/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-cmipci.o: init_module: No such device" does anyone know what the cause can be? |
| 20:55.46 | hexxeh | i've found the quality difference between ATI and nVidia on geforce 4 or more recent cards to be negligable |
| 20:55.47 | Stefan` | Hi, what do I have to check if i want want the LIST command working on my ftp server? |
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| 20:55.52 | greycat | WiFiTux: no, I am telling you that your question deserves no better answer. |
| 20:55.53 | sepski | HeIgll2432, i saw noticable difference on my freevo box when swapping out a nvidia for an ati, even with the vesa drivers |
| 20:55.54 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, polygon? |
| 20:55.55 | hexxeh | on older cards ati were noticablry better |
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| 20:56.18 | hexxeh | hexxeh, a flat shape. you can assemble them together to makes things in "3d" |
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| 20:56.18 | hexxeh | bagh |
| 20:56.18 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, not better, they just didn't need radeontool. |
| 20:56.20 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, ^^ |
| 20:57.06 | philipp | Hello again. My dkpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 generates no config file. Or other question, where is the config file placed ? |
| 20:57.08 | sepski | HeIgll2432, as hexxen say the newer cards are equal in quality i'd go for nvidia, since they are very easy to get workig in debian |
| 20:57.09 | prahal | HeIgll2432: nvidia one does not requires extra work for tvout (for gf4 and up), but nvidia cards are so much noisier than ati ones ... (i replaced my nvidia fan and radiant with the ones from my ati card) |
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| 20:57.23 | prahal | which died of a power accident |
| 20:57.25 | greycat | philipp: dpkg --purge --force-depends xserver-xfree86; apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:57.42 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, if you ever plan on using 3d, then you want nvidia |
| 20:58.07 | HeIgll2432 | i dont want to spend lots of money on a new video card...i plan to buy an old one off ebay, im not even gunna try to do gaming on linux |
| 20:58.07 | sepski | HeIgll2432, chose a card without a fan, you dont need a fast 3d card for tv out |
| 20:58.11 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, yeah, you are right, it's also easier to get working than the ATI drivers. |
| 20:58.12 | beardy | Are all ati drivers free? |
| 20:58.22 | greycat | on the other hand, if you only ever move windows around and maybe watch a movie or two, but you only want to use Free software to do it, then nvidia is *not* the top choice. |
| 20:58.29 | hexxeh | beardy, of charge, yes. they're Non-Free though |
| 20:58.35 | greycat | beardy: free as in beer. |
| 20:58.42 | CosmoDad | is anybody using bttv and mencoder for tv-recordings without regular system crashes? |
| 20:58.43 | sepski | HeIgll2432, just make sure you get a used card g4 or better, |
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| 20:58.55 | WiFiTux | beardy, which means, it's not free. |
| 20:59.00 | HeIgll2432 | if its lower than that, the quality will suck, right? |
| 20:59.03 | hexxeh | beardy, there are open-source reverse-engineered drivers, with some basic 3d capability in the very old cards |
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| 20:59.17 | Lee__ | older ATI cards have 3D drivers in Xfree |
| 20:59.28 | sepski | not suck. just needoing more houers to get tv out to work |
| 20:59.33 | hexxeh | Lee__, you missed the 'slow' |
| 20:59.41 | beardy | Free as in Freedom wa what I meant. Ok. |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | !kill me |
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| 20:59.49 | yaarg | anyone running apache and mod_python on debian? |
| 21:00.18 | WiFiTux | greycat, well, I use gaming in windows and want to use a nice-without problem video card in Linux. Sounds like nvidia? |
| 21:00.26 | prahal | CosmoDad: i was , for 3 years , never had a crash because of bttv (and mencoder cannot crash the box). Maybe your ram or disk are getting old |
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| 21:00.47 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, sounds like you should be gaming under linux ;) |
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| 21:01.02 | Lee__ | WiFiTux: get an nvidia quadro FX 300 |
| 21:01.07 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, hey! I do that with doom 3. Dunno any other game. |
| 21:01.14 | yaarg | nethack isn't reeally as much fun as half life 2 though |
| 21:01.17 | CosmoDad | prahal: the disk is brand new, I don't think the RAM is crappy either, but I'll do a memtest anyway |
| 21:01.21 | Lee__ | WiFiTux: enemy terriroty, GL tron |
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| 21:01.35 | CosmoDad | prahal: you don't still have that mencoder settings do you? |
| 21:01.36 | WiFiTux | Lee__, I have a 5750 PCI Express 256MB but on the desktop I need to decide for a laptop. |
| 21:01.45 | WiFiTux | Lee__, ET? cool. |
| 21:01.49 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, ut2004! |
| 21:02.00 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, that doesn't run that well. |
| 21:02.03 | sepski | HeIgll2432, also i can recomend getting a pxe network card, and boot the box from you'r file storage, saves you the harddrive noise, then you can downclock your cpu, or get a via cpu that way you might get away with a passive fan. and get a very powerful PSU, then you can disable the fan in that too. and you have a noiseless freevo box |
| 21:02.18 | CosmoDad | yaarg: you haven't seen qt-nethack yet! |
| 21:02.21 | WiFiTux | hexxeh, my doom 3 runs better in Linux than windowx |
| 21:02.23 | sepski | passive heatsink i mean ofcourse.. |
| 21:02.25 | hexxeh | WiFiTux, runs perfectly for me, better than under windows |
| 21:02.26 | HeIgll2432 | pxe network cardd? |
| 21:02.42 | yaarg | CosmoDad: hehe |
| 21:02.47 | philipp | greycat thanks... |
| 21:02.47 | nsanity | are the patches in /usr/src/kernel-patches already applied or do I have to apply them myself? |
| 21:02.50 | dogmeat | folks Im trying to mount the cdrom, but file /dev/cdrom exists. looking at /var/log/messages i see /dev/hdd, which mounts the CDs. is there a grub.conf argument i need to add to get the device /dev/cdrom online? |
| 21:02.57 | sepski | HeIgll2432, it's just a standard that makes it easy to boot from the network, most cards today have it alos the onboards one |
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| 21:03.20 | dogmeat | sorry, im trying to say the file /dev/cdrom does not exist ! |
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| 21:03.28 | prahal | sepski: mythtv requires a storage (and a pretty fast one , i would go raid0, sata or scsi) |
| 21:03.30 | beatle | nsanity: they're not applied yet |
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| 21:03.38 | nsanity | beatle: how can I apply them? |
| 21:03.40 | hexxeh | dogmeat, why do you need a /dev/cdrom? it's just a symbolic link |
| 21:03.42 | HeIgll2432 | well...im still a noob, so im gunna stick with hard drive in the computer, and also, i plan for it to be wireless. |
| 21:03.50 | philipp | I can't start kde with startkde It comes: xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 21:03.51 | sepski | i use a software raid5 |
| 21:03.55 | nsanity | beatle: I tried -added-patches <patch> but it griped at me |
| 21:04.01 | sepski | pata |
| 21:04.04 | philipp | $DISPLAY is not set |
| 21:04.04 | beatle | nsanity: if you use make-kpkg, you set the environment variable PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES |
| 21:04.29 | sepski | there was no sata when i built it.. |
| 21:04.34 | CosmoDad | prahal: I must add that my VDR machine uses a via board with the crappy 686-southbridge that is famous for trouble in high-pci-traffic situations... |
| 21:04.34 | beatle | nsanity: thus `PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg ...' |
| 21:04.43 | prahal | HeIgll2432: maybe you should move the bucks from the wireless to good passive coolers and maybe an mpeg encoding card |
| 21:04.49 | nsanity | beatle: ah |
| 21:04.51 | dogmeat | hexxeh: there's entries for it in the /etc/fstab, something is not happening/is broken so that the symlink does not get created i am guessing |
| 21:04.56 | CosmoDad | prahal: anyway, you still got those mencoder settings somewhere? would love to take a look at them |
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| 21:05.01 | nsanity | beatle: so that probably explains all of my weird problems |
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| 21:05.30 | CosmoDad | when using update-grub, where does grub get its settings from? I mean the values it feeds /boot/grub/menu.lst with |
| 21:05.43 | HeIgll2432 | ok,...heres what i have now....i have an intel 2.4B, 256MB PC2700, 60gig HDD, abit mobo |
| 21:06.00 | hexxeh | some of them from the file itself, the rest it comes up with from its infinitely large brain |
| 21:06.00 | HeIgll2432 | and a geforce 2mx someting with no tv out |
| 21:06.06 | philipp | greycat How could I bring up KDE starting? I got the errormessages: xsetroot: unable to open display '' $DISPLAY is not set... |
| 21:06.11 | mh_le | does debian use xorg? |
| 21:06.13 | HeIgll2432 | and a dlink 54g card |
| 21:06.24 | beatle | nsanity: probably |
| 21:06.49 | sepski | HeIgll2432, i'd seriously consider putting a cable on the box, especialy if you want to store you'r files on another box |
| 21:06.49 | streuner__ | mh_le: when sarge is stable |
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| 21:07.03 | prahal | CosmoDad: via stability has improved (i will now how much tomorrow , getting a kt880 to replace the nforce2), have you checked latest BIOS ? at first you should try adding "noapic" (that will improve irq acpi mess) or acpi=off (remove all PM, irq routing, ...) |
| 21:07.05 | HeIgll2432 | a cable? what you mean? |
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| 21:07.20 | HeIgll2432 | and i forgot to mention, i have a winfast tv2000xp |
| 21:07.23 | HeIgll2432 | deluxe |
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| 21:07.36 | HeIgll2432 | and it uses the bt-something driver |
| 21:07.37 | mh_le | streuner__: I downloaded a sarge cd, does that use xorg? |
| 21:07.38 | greycat | streuner__: AFTER sarge is stable. |
| 21:07.41 | greycat | mh_le: no. |
| 21:07.44 | greycat | mh_le: /topic |
| 21:07.48 | sepski | HeIgll2432, that's very nice. my first freevo was a p3 650 mhz with 128 mb ram, with a network card, and that could show movies fine... not record at same time tho.. |
| 21:08.02 | HeIgll2432 | so what do you suggest i do? |
| 21:08.04 | CosmoDad | prahal: no I haven't tried adding any apic/acpi parameters, but that's a good idea. |
| 21:08.07 | streuner__ | mh_le: read what greycat just told me. |
| 21:08.09 | CosmoDad | prahal: and I got the latest BIOS |
| 21:08.14 | HeIgll2432 | get a nvidia geforce4 series? |
| 21:08.21 | sepski | HeIgll2432, yes |
| 21:08.22 | HeIgll2432 | becuase i dont want to spend a whole lot more money |
| 21:08.24 | sepski | or better |
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| 21:08.47 | HeIgll2432 | good deal...i got the mobo,proc, and ram for 60 dollars... |
| 21:08.49 | prahal | CosmoDad: yes and no , it would be pretty hard to retrieve them . sorry |
| 21:08.55 | HeIgll2432 | although he put the system through hell |
| 21:08.56 | HeIgll2432 | but still |
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| 21:09.12 | sepski | well you can get a gf2 if you make sure you get one with the hardware tvout, that way you don't have to worry about drivers or settings, but the quality is bad compared to ati or gf4 and above |
| 21:09.19 | relex | hello |
| 21:09.21 | nsanity | beatle: how do I know if it patched the kernel? |
| 21:09.28 | HeIgll2432 | like..how bad would the gf2 be? |
| 21:09.42 | HeIgll2432 | actually...i remember using my geforce2mx400 on win |
| 21:09.48 | relex | i have a CM8738 sound card, all of the modules are loaded (alsa), but when i try to play something i get no sound output |
| 21:09.49 | HeIgll2432 | with tv out,...and it was relatively..ok |
| 21:09.52 | hexxeh | HeIgll2432, better than an sis or similar |
| 21:09.52 | brynjar1 | Could anyone who knows some simple bash scripting /msg me? I just want to execute the command 'ls -R / > /dev/dsp' at 06:30. It would be really cool if someone could help me a bit, I'm currently reading http://linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php but help would be appreciated. |
| 21:09.59 | sepski | so bad that i swapped it out the first oportunity i got. and dont buy if if you dont already have one |
| 21:10.01 | relex | i have a CM8738 sound card, all of the modules are loaded (alsa), but when i try to play something i get no sound output. anyone know why htis could be happening? |
| 21:10.12 | hexxeh | HeIgll2432, as it happens, tv out quality in my experience is better with linux than windows |
| 21:10.14 | philipp | How could I change the login manager? kdm, gdm, xdm .... |
| 21:10.19 | greycat | philipp: install the one you want. |
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| 21:10.25 | greycat | remove whatever you don't. |
| 21:10.25 | hexxeh | philipp, dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 21:10.38 | greycat | relex: unmute all the channels. |
| 21:10.39 | streuner__ | relex: ALSA is muted by default, just use a mixer to correct it |
| 21:10.41 | CosmoDad | prahal: np. it was just out of curiosity, since I know you've been running a vdr flawlessly I blame the hardware, not the software |
| 21:10.44 | philipp | i tried dpkg-reconfigure gdm but gdm is still not starting |
| 21:10.49 | sepski | bryndza, "man at" |
| 21:10.55 | resiak | philipp: apt-get install gdm ? |
| 21:11.00 | brynjar1 | sepski: thanks :) |
| 21:11.04 | prahal | maybe this should go in the wiki , a mythtv debian box howto would help a lot of folks |
| 21:11.06 | philipp | resiak sure... |
| 21:11.08 | sepski | and my tabbing sucks :/ |
| 21:11.09 | relex | greycat, i did that |
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| 21:11.39 | azreal | brynjar1: i dont know why you would want to run that command, but that could be done easy enough with a crontab |
| 21:11.41 | hexxeh | when i can afford the harwdare, i plan on building a mythtv debian box |
| 21:11.45 | beatle | nsanity: it should show that at the very beginning of the make process |
| 21:11.48 | hexxeh | and my howtos are VERY good, when i can be bothered |
| 21:11.59 | resiak | philipp: Does it start when you run /etc/init.d/gdm start as root? |
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| 21:12.06 | nsanity | beatle: okay, but it just flew right by and didn't say anything about applying patches |
| 21:12.07 | si|vercat | can anyone suggest a good way to handle mail? I use pop3 from multiple accounts and smtp for sending, I have exim installed.. |
| 21:12.14 | prahal | CosmoDad: i had no raid0 or 5 or sata , but a lot of cpu power and ram , so my config was for high compression , crearly not the best setup |
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| 21:12.37 | CosmoDad | prahal: how much CPU/RAM did you have at hand? |
| 21:12.53 | beatle | well, it applies them pretty fast, you might want to pipe the output to a file or something |
| 21:12.58 | d0t | Hello everyone |
| 21:13.06 | themusicgod1 | io d0t |
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| 21:13.26 | d0t | Im in the process of tweaking my Nvidia 6800GT on debian testing |
| 21:13.28 | philipp | resiak it says its already running... |
| 21:13.31 | d0t | hi |
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| 21:13.43 | philipp | resiak but there's nothing... |
| 21:13.46 | nvz | I handed that lock to my cousin and he got it open on the 2nd try.. the fuckin code was 420 |
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| 21:13.50 | greycat | si|vercat: depends on how you want it "handled". |
| 21:13.50 | hexxeh | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:13.56 | beatle | nsanity: also, but I'm not quite certain about this, there's a good chance you need to run `make-kpkg clean' before running with the PATCH_THE_KERNEL env. variable |
| 21:13.56 | resiak | philipp: Ctrl-Alt-F7? :) |
| 21:14.09 | d0t | and after adding the 'NvAGP' '1' option to XF86Config, my frame rates dropped in glx gears, down to 7500 |
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| 21:14.14 | philipp | resiak aargh... sure... but theres nothing.. |
| 21:14.15 | greycat | si|vercat: if you don't care to maintain a complete identity separation among all the different addresses, you could just suck it all into one mailbox with fetchmail |
| 21:14.22 | nsanity | beatle: deleted and started over from scratch... I'm gonna try that again |
| 21:14.24 | d0t | previously, using the built in AGP module, I was pulling 12000 fps! |
| 21:14.31 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager if you can't get it to work the other way philipp |
| 21:14.39 | beatle | nsanity: that is a possibility aswell =) |
| 21:14.39 | resiak | philipp: Do as hexxeh said. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 21:14.48 | resiak | philipp: Sorry, but it was worth asking :-) |
| 21:14.48 | d0t | is this drop in speed within glxgears normal, when using Nvidia's AGP module? |
| 21:14.58 | d0t | speeds are still great |
| 21:15.01 | si|vercat | greycat, well some spam-filtering wouldn't hurt.. and identity separation isn't very important.. fetchmail is the trick? :) |
| 21:15.07 | d0t | just 5k less in glxgears, seems odd.. |
| 21:15.15 | greycat | si|vercat: one step in the trick, anyway. |
| 21:15.22 | hexxeh | d0t, it's pretty random whether you get a speed increase from changing your agpgart module |
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| 21:15.35 | hexxeh | d0t, make sure fastwrites and side-band addressing are enabled |
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| 21:15.51 | philipp | resiak I restarted it but theres already nothing... i gonna reinstall it... |
| 21:15.57 | si|vercat | greycat, know of any pages describing the tricks off the top of your head..? :) |
| 21:16.00 | philipp | apt-get remove --purge gdm sure ?! |
| 21:16.09 | hexxeh | philipp, did you install xfree86 yet? |
| 21:16.11 | jetscreamer | path should be /usr/bin/gdm iirc |
| 21:16.16 | philipp | hexxeh yes |
| 21:16.23 | nsanity | beatle: nope, it doesn't look like it patches the kernel |
| 21:16.35 | philipp | hexxeh But not at right because kdm could not start just gnome |
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| 21:16.58 | prahal | CosmoDad: 2GHz , 500MB ram , a good setup would be less than 1GHz , fanless , maybe 500M ram , a fast storage (raid0 for recording or live video storage, and another disk as backup) all raid5 seems a waste (personal POV), or sata or scsi disks . HeIgll2432 have a good point , there is no cheap video crad which does not require a lot of hand hacks (the nvidia g2 mx does tv-out but its one of the most instable and hardest to set |
| 21:16.58 | prahal | up for example) |
| 21:17.01 | beatle | nsanity: which directory are you in when running `make-kpkg'? |
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| 21:17.15 | d0t | I have, pretty much tweaked it to the max ;) But after changing to Nvidias module, fps with glxgears declined severly. Have others experienced this? |
| 21:17.18 | philipp | kde tells me at startup with startkde xsetroot: unable to open display '' and $DISPLAY is not set |
| 21:17.40 | d0t | anything to be worried about? Should I use the built in module, if it acheives a higher speed in glxgears? |
| 21:17.47 | d0t | or is there a better way to benchmark this |
| 21:17.52 | d0t | (other then fps in a game) |
| 21:17.54 | hexxeh | philipp, just to be sure, apt-get install gdm x-window-system |
| 21:17.56 | resiak | philipp: apt-get install x-window-system-coe |
| 21:17.59 | resiak | philipp: apt-get install x-window-system-core even. |
| 21:18.06 | hexxeh | d0t, games are the best benchmarks |
| 21:18.11 | d0t | i see.. |
| 21:18.12 | d0t | :) |
| 21:18.36 | abrotman | !kill me |
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| 21:18.55 | nsanity | beatle: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 21:19.06 | nsanity | !kill me too |
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| 21:19.18 | nsanity | !kill me |
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| 21:19.45 | Danar | anyone know what might cause this message: kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold |
| 21:19.50 | Danar | when itÅ not overheating? |
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| 21:20.10 | prahal | Msg brynjar1 use crontab |
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| 21:20.20 | nasty | has anyone used an Orinoco USB gold adapter on their debian box? |
| 21:20.28 | d0t | thanks for your help Hexxeh! Im firing up some UT2k4 now to test it out... |
| 21:20.30 | d0t | l8a all! |
| 21:20.41 | nvz | nasty: you do? |
| 21:20.51 | nasty | !tell nasty about madwifi |
| 21:20.51 | nasty | >< please |
| 21:21.01 | resiak | nasty: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 21:21.05 | abrotman | Danar: the little temp thing is screwed up? |
| 21:21.06 | Danar | i just bought a new fan because my old one was dying and i was getting that message |
| 21:21.15 | nasty | nvz, i do what? |
| 21:21.23 | hexxeh | Danar, dodgy motherboard is a possibility |
| 21:21.25 | philipp | hexxeh resiak cool, thanks gdm is working now... after installing ;) |
| 21:21.25 | Danar | i turned my fan up to high, but itÅ still syaing that |
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| 21:21.55 | Danar | anyone know why my Å looks like that? i set my keyboard to US eng... |
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| 21:22.14 | jim__ | want to know a funny thing? |
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| 21:22.31 | jim__ | i'm a gnome user and i'm typing away at my keyboard |
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| 21:22.38 | beatle | nsanity: what is your exact command-line? |
| 21:22.41 | Danar | and a couple keys i have to press twice for them to work |
| 21:22.47 | bbenson | allright guys, im trying to get internet radio to work on my box, xmms wont accept urls. |
| 21:22.48 | jim__ | when suddenly the keyboard locks up |
| 21:22.51 | bbenson | but that is not the problem |
| 21:22.56 | MrKrystal | hi. Can anyone help me to configure my dlink dwl122 usb wifi card ? |
| 21:23.05 | nsanity | beatle: root@dexterity:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --append-to-version -njbdeb --revision 1 --initrd kernel_image |
| 21:23.10 | jim__ | turns out that it no longer works under gnome |
| 21:23.20 | bbenson | the problem is rhythmbox 0.8.8 is not playing |
| 21:23.22 | philipp | hexxeh resiak greycat sorry for ehm spamming, but can anybody from you help me please bring kde up ?! |
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| 21:23.23 | Danar | abrotman: any idea how one would fix that? |
| 21:23.26 | jim__ | I was just typing an email when this happened. |
| 21:23.27 | abrotman | !kill me |
| 21:23.35 | jim__ | anyone seen this happen? |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | those are my finger balls |
| 21:23.42 | abrotman | Danar: ignore it/ |
| 21:23.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:23.43 | MrKrystal | ouch |
| 21:23.45 | jim__ | I'm typing now from the console. |
| 21:23.46 | bbenson | i know for a fact that rhythmbox 0.8.8 supports internet radio |
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| 21:23.50 | bbenson | can anyone help me with this? |
| 21:23.56 | greycat | jim__: "hope you were running mutt in screen"? :) |
| 21:23.58 | Danar | abrotman: i said Ā“fixĀ“ :p |
| 21:24.00 | abrotman | bbenson: #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 21:24.08 | abrotman | Danar: ask #hardware? |
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| 21:24.12 | green_earz | bbenson: check out streamtuner for net radio |
| 21:24.13 | abrotman | Danar: what does the BIOS report? |
| 21:24.17 | Danar | thatÅ a thought |
| 21:24.19 | bbenson | thanks |
| 21:24.21 | bbenson | i will do both |
| 21:24.23 | bbenson | appreciate it |
| 21:24.32 | Danar | abrotman: well, iĀ“d have to shut down to find out, wouldnĀ“t i? |
| 21:24.39 | jim__ | greycat: i used the mouse to copy the email away |
| 21:24.49 | jim__ | greycat: but this really sucks. |
| 21:25.02 | nsanity | beatle: am I doing that right? |
| 21:25.12 | philipp | hexxeh resiak greycat xsetroot: unable to open display '' xset: unable to open display "" kdeinit: Aborting. $DISPLAY is not set |
| 21:25.22 | resiak | philipp: Log in through GDM |
| 21:25.26 | greycat | gods ALMIGHTY. |
| 21:25.37 | greycat | philipp: have you even *considered* reading a unix book? |
| 21:25.39 | paulswm | geez I come back after 5 mins and suicides are happening |
| 21:25.39 | hexxeh | !milk greycat |
| 21:26.08 | hexxeh | hmm :/ |
| 21:26.08 | bbenson | green_earz: thanks man, that rocks |
| 21:26.08 | beatle | nsanity: I'm not quite sure why you're using so many other arguments to make-kpkg |
| 21:26.12 | nsanity | beatle: well --revision is pretty useless |
| 21:26.17 | philipp | greycat ohh thanbks!!! |
| 21:26.20 | green_earz | all the best |
| 21:26.21 | philipp | that works |
| 21:26.28 | beatle | nsanity: I can't find any information about this one: -njbdeb |
| 21:26.29 | abrotman | Danar: uhm ..yes |
| 21:26.29 | nsanity | beatle: but I've probably compile the kernel about 100 times trying to get it to not be all messed up |
| 21:26.31 | resiak | philipp: Ctrl-Alt-F7; Session: KDE; log in. |
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| 21:26.36 | CosmoDad | prahal: I have a lousy 900 Mhz Athlon with 128 MB RAM and a cheap hauppauge TV card |
| 21:26.39 | resiak | philipp: Oh, you've managed it. |
| 21:26.41 | nsanity | beatle: that's my --append-to-version |
| 21:26.50 | CosmoDad | prahal: seem to fulfill all that is necessary for an instable system :) |
| 21:27.04 | Danar | abrotman: oh, another thing, iĀ“m not sure yet, but it only seems to happen in GUI |
| 21:27.06 | MrKrystal | any idea for the dwl122 usb wifi ? |
| 21:27.11 | Danar | not at the console |
| 21:27.11 | MrKrystal | iwconfig failes |
| 21:27.13 | beatle | nsanity: right... that was pretty obvious though =) |
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| 21:27.17 | HeIgll2432 | aww i give up....this linux thing is too hard...lol |
| 21:27.27 | visik7 | MrKrystal is it supported ? |
| 21:27.31 | MrKrystal | and modprobe prism54 looks good |
| 21:27.33 | CosmoDad | prahal: but actually it used to work pretty good. If I recorded 15 one-hour shows per week, there would be 1-3 crashes |
| 21:27.35 | jetscreamer | hey when do kernel boot up mesaages get written to /var/log, where in the kernel boot up process... does it have to wait to finish booting, or does the log get written even if there's a kernel panic |
| 21:27.43 | MrKrystal | visik7: it is listed in linux-wlan-ng |
| 21:27.55 | nenubat | is it just a channel for those who are informatic-addicts? |
| 21:27.59 | MrKrystal | dlink dwl122 should be supported yes |
| 21:28.08 | nsanity | beatle: so am I doing anything wrong? |
| 21:28.17 | abrotman | Danar: maybe the utility you use is messed up in X? |
| 21:28.29 | Danar | abrotman: Ćŗtility? |
| 21:28.34 | Danar | er, wtf |
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| 21:28.46 | Danar | some of my chars have accents |
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| 21:29.00 | hexxeh | smells like us international rather than us |
| 21:29.00 | Danar | and two keys i have to press twice to work |
| 21:29.12 | Danar | hexxeh: but iĀ“ve set it to US |
| 21:29.19 | CosmoDad | prahal: and I'm talking 2.4 here. With kernel 2.6, it's even worse |
| 21:29.21 | hexxeh | don't believe you |
| 21:29.22 | jim__ | confirmed that the problem is gnome |
| 21:29.28 | Danar | hexxeh: several times in the past few hours actually |
| 21:29.31 | MrKrystal | i don't understand why i get the module loaded, but iwconfig fails ... |
| 21:29.35 | jim__ | if i start x with twm, i can type fine |
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| 21:29.47 | greycat | !blame GNOME |
| 21:30.03 | beatle | nsanity: I'm not sure what it is that's wrong, are you sure you configured the kernel first? |
| 21:30.18 | Danar | anyone have any idea why startx /usr/bin/icewm would work, but not just startx (kde is default) |
| 21:30.42 | Danar | and startx /usr/bin/kdeinit takes several seconds longer to fail than just startx |
| 21:30.48 | mboumboum | probleme pour pcmcia wifi linksys |
| 21:30.56 | justin | Danar: uh, its startkde |
| 21:30.57 | CosmoDad | prahal: I gotta go, thanks for your contribution |
| 21:31.00 | nsanity | beatle: I copied a config file over |
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| 21:31.19 | MrKrystal | well ... any help here |
| 21:31.21 | MrKrystal | bye |
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| 21:31.34 | nsanity | beatle: okay got it |
| 21:31.36 | Danar | justin: well startkde just unable to open display, etc |
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| 21:31.52 | beatle | nsanity: is it applying the patches now? |
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| 21:31.56 | mboumboum | driver pour ubuntu |
| 21:31.58 | prahal | CosmoDad: if 2.6 crash more than 2.4 i would strongly guess a BIOS acpi problem , sometimes bios upgrade helps fix those (it has on nforce2 mobo) |
| 21:32.00 | justin | startx /usr/bin/startkde |
| 21:32.05 | resiak | !tell mboumboum about ubuntu |
| 21:32.08 | resiak | !tell mboumboum about fr |
| 21:32.09 | prahal | bye |
| 21:32.12 | nsanity | beatle: yeah I had to do --patches-added debian |
| 21:32.12 | resiak | !resiak |
| 21:32.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, resiak is a bot |
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| 21:32.37 | nsanity | beatle: erm, --added-patches debian |
| 21:32.52 | bohan | tar question: does anyone know why find somedir | sort | xargs tar cjf somedir.tar.bz2 producdes a 15MB file while a simple tar cjf somedir.tar.bz2 somdir produces a 3MB file? |
| 21:32.56 | willis | where can you download all the debian packages ... |
| 21:33.13 | hexxeh | willis, all of them? that's over 100gb |
| 21:33.22 | RolandU | that security-message about cups (from the topic) - was there a public email about it to the security-list? |
| 21:33.27 | resiak | willis: And why would you want to, exactly? |
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| 21:33.37 | bohan | basically, i thought sorting files (in this case, sorted by type) would produce a better result |
| 21:33.42 | nenubat | i m a woman and i m hot |
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| 21:33.50 | resiak | !fuck nenubat |
| 21:33.54 | RolandU | I subscribed to a couple of lists two weeks ago but never got messages. |
| 21:34.03 | willis | I am trying to patch a Debiam based distro ... but it misses stuff in apt- get |
| 21:34.05 | refugier | i m nenubat |
| 21:34.08 | refugier | nenubat |
| 21:34.10 | bbhill_ | !ubuntu |
| 21:34.10 | refugier | is |
| 21:34.10 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 21:34.12 | refugier | anais |
| 21:34.13 | bbhill_ | !knoppix |
| 21:34.13 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 21:34.14 | bbhill_ | !meppis |
| 21:34.15 | hexxeh | !based on |
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| 21:34.25 | Danar | ok |
| 21:34.28 | hexxeh | !tell willis about essentially debian |
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| 21:34.34 | justin | bohan: did you LOOK to see what was in the resulting file? |
| 21:34.35 | hexxeh | !tell willis about debian solutions |
| 21:34.37 | Danar | startx /usr/bin/startkde works, but not just startx |
| 21:34.41 | Danar | kde is default |
| 21:34.44 | bbhill_ | !act like assholes in #debian |
| 21:34.49 | refugier | and she is very hot |
| 21:35.04 | justin | !tell Danar about X problem |
| 21:35.04 | bohan | justin, hehe.. i included files several times in the tar with that command ;p |
| 21:35.06 | takatumi | Danar: act gdm and quit whining |
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| 21:35.16 | takatumi | act? |
| 21:35.19 | beatle | nsanity: cool, though for me it works even without --added-patches |
| 21:35.28 | Danar | takatumi: ĀØact gdmĀØ ? |
| 21:35.38 | takatumi | Danar: apt-get install |
| 21:35.44 | bohan | junix|work, i should have done find -type d |
| 21:35.44 | Danar | and iĀ“m not whining |
| 21:35.55 | bohan | err, justin |
| 21:35.58 | willis | hay if debian offered a install to do what i need.. i would go streight with a complete install .. |
| 21:36.00 | takatumi | Danar: apt-get remove --purge whine |
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| 21:36.10 | justin | bohan: no, that will still add things more than once |
| 21:36.11 | takatumi | willis: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:36.20 | hexxeh | willis, and what is it you need? |
| 21:36.21 | bohan | damn. yes, -type f |
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| 21:38.01 | nenubat | a channel not specialised on informatic, please? |
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| 21:38.31 | takatumi | nenubat: /q #informatic |
| 21:38.48 | nvz | is there some simple way to prevent mozilla-firefox from changing the title of the window to the title of the page? so I can get some consistancy? |
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| 21:39.02 | hexxeh | nvz, write an extension! |
| 21:39.04 | racoontje|clone | usuallyDumb hi |
| 21:39.11 | usuallyDumb | hi |
| 21:39.16 | usuallyDumb | :( |
| 21:39.19 | usuallyDumb | sorry |
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| 21:39.34 | nenubat | ok thank you takatumi§ bye |
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| 21:40.26 | nvz | hexxeh: its not _that_ important to me.. |
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| 21:41.33 | paulswm | "did you grepped /dev ?", what kind of talk is that? |
| 21:41.39 | willis | i need a cluster Kernel at install ... not a bunch of patching ... |
| 21:41.45 | si|vercat | anyone know how to configure exim with a spam-filter? |
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| 21:41.55 | ribnitz | si|vercat: YES |
| 21:41.55 | willis | so does debian offer a cluster Kernel ... ? |
| 21:42.01 | ribnitz | willis: nope |
| 21:42.04 | takatumi | hexxeh: palindrome |
| 21:42.12 | paulswm | cluster fuck maybe |
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| 21:42.27 | si|vercat | ribnitz, got a pointer..? :) |
| 21:42.30 | Danar | ok, deb thinks my mouse only has 3 buttons. how do i fix that? |
| 21:42.44 | hexxeh | willis, do you know what you mean by "a cluster kernel!? |
| 21:42.48 | willis | hench why i had to use the knoppix core .... knoppix-cluster ... |
| 21:42.51 | hexxeh | s/!?/"?/ |
| 21:43.17 | Danar | should have 8 |
| 21:43.22 | Blitx | hey guys |
| 21:43.24 | hexxeh | i can assure you not a single cluster vendor on the planet will sell you a machine with knoppix |
| 21:43.25 | Danar | or at least 7 |
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| 21:44.01 | Blitx | I installed debian today on a computer with a Diamond Viper V330 (TNT) and I can't get X to start. |
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| 21:44.23 | Blitx | I told it to use the nv driver with no luck, though it is supported |
| 21:44.32 | RolandU | Is there a way to get a list of all the debian-mailing-lists I am subscribed to? |
| 21:44.42 | takatumi | Danar: http://llg.cubic.org/docs/mouse.html |
| 21:44.58 | ribnitz | willis: www.exim.org |
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| 21:45.06 | Danar | takatumi: thx |
| 21:45.08 | greycat | Blitx: did you try sarge, or woody? |
| 21:45.10 | willis | here is a link ... http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ ... on cluster |
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| 21:45.40 | hexxeh | willis, i'm a supercomputer sysadmin. what on EARTH do you mean by "cluster kernel"? |
| 21:46.10 | ribnitz | hexxeh: A kernel supporting openmosix or similar. |
| 21:46.26 | ribnitz | hexxeh: whats a supercomputer btw? |
| 21:46.45 | willis | it is a kernel patch .... |
| 21:46.50 | takatumi | ribnitz: the one from krypton |
| 21:46.56 | Blitx | it's 3.1--woody? |
| 21:46.58 | willis | open-mosix ... for example |
| 21:47.03 | simonrvn | ribnitz: it would make you drool |
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| 21:47.14 | simonrvn | a river |
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| 21:47.26 | Blitx | I saw woody in a lot of install package names |
| 21:47.26 | hexxeh | Blitx, 3.1 is sarge, 3.0 is woody |
| 21:47.32 | Blitx | oh |
| 21:47.39 | Blitx | Well, it's 3.1 rc1 |
| 21:47.39 | Danar | takatumi: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5" doesnĀ“t work because it says i only have 3 buttons |
| 21:47.39 | hexxeh | Blitx, woody is a 2002 distribution |
| 21:47.41 | willis | openMosix is a Linux kernel extension for single-system image clustering. This kernel extension turns a network of ordinary computers into a supercomputer for Linux applications. |
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| 21:47.49 | greycat | if your video card doesn't work in woody, I'd suggest you try sarge before messing around. |
| 21:47.54 | si|vercat | whats a good spamfilter for e-mail? |
| 21:47.57 | takatumi | Danar: you are the one who said you have 7 |
| 21:47.59 | Pook | with wireless-tools how do i specify that my network key is using a "key index" of 2 |
| 21:48.03 | tobehz | Danar: did you set up your mouse properly in the X config? |
| 21:48.04 | Danar | takatumi: i have 8 actually |
| 21:48.05 | ribnitz | simonrvn: yes. but how is it different to the current (around 3-3.5Ghz) system I get at walmart? |
| 21:48.15 | brushhead | hi is anyone knowledgeable on cdda2wav? |
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| 21:48.20 | willis | there is this ... http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:48.23 | simonrvn | ribnitz: wikipedia it |
| 21:48.25 | takatumi | Danar: install ion and throw the mouse away. |
| 21:48.25 | Danar | tobehz: iĀ“m starting to think not, even though iĀ“ve done it several times now... |
| 21:48.33 | Danar | takatumi: ion? |
| 21:48.40 | ribnitz | simonrvn: they have an entry for walmart? |
| 21:48.40 | Blitx | Would it be a possibility that the "vesa" driver might work? |
| 21:48.49 | Blitx | it doesn't need any HW accel |
| 21:48.50 | takatumi | Danar: man apt-cache |
| 21:48.55 | Danar | itĀ“s the logitech mx500 |
| 21:48.57 | hexxeh | ribnitz, a top of the range athlon64 runs at 4gflops. a supercomputer starts at about 100gflops, up to about 75tflops for the fastest in the world |
| 21:49.11 | hexxeh | openmosix is for kids |
| 21:49.13 | chealer | hi, I use a french canadian, fr_CA keyboard. is it possible to get euro support? |
| 21:49.15 | debd00d | what dev package do i need to fix ths error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes |
| 21:49.22 | greycat | !FAQ debd00d |
| 21:49.23 | dpkg | debd00d: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:49.39 | Danar | debd00d: thereĀ“s a commandline option to specify the path |
| 21:49.51 | debd00d | o, i thought i needed a dev package |
| 21:49.53 | willis | look at the renderfarm ... awsome computing power |
| 21:49.54 | takatumi | hexxeh: so is the one you admin'n a g or tflop? |
| 21:50.16 | simonrvn | Danar: the path will be useless if sh/e doesn't have the headers in the first place |
| 21:50.17 | zinosat | anyone knows why "inbox monitor" applet hangs on my sarge machine when configured to fetch mail from a POP server? it used to workwith gnome 2.6 |
| 21:50.21 | Blitx | top of the line opteron would be higher than 4 |
| 21:50.21 | Danar | debd00d: you need the x dev package |
| 21:50.24 | ribnitz | hexxeh: And you usually use that to invert matrices, or do database stuff, right? |
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| 21:50.26 | simonrvn | s/he even |
| 21:50.33 | hexxeh | takatumi, one 84cpu sun cluster at about 150gflops, and a 128cpu p3 cluster with about the same capacity |
| 21:50.38 | Danar | simonrvn: i know |
| 21:50.42 | Blitx | My AthlonXP has managed 4.2gflops |
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| 21:50.51 | debd00d | i know...but for some reason i cant find it...i checked x11 for a dev and xserver...but i cant find it |
| 21:51.08 | hexxeh | ribnitz, i don't use it to do much. our users run all sorts of things - molecule simulation, fluid dynamic simulation, etc |
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| 21:51.13 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 21:51.20 | d0t | Hey Hexxeh, should the standart AGPGart module be removed (using modconf), if im using the NvAGP option (in XF86Config-4)? |
| 21:51.27 | takatumi | hexxeh: and price difference between the two runs a few 1000s probably? sun and p3 |
| 21:51.30 | Danar | dpkg: error processing freenet6 (--purge): |
| 21:51.30 | Danar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.30 | dpkg | Danar: wish i knew |
| 21:51.37 | ribnitz | hexxeh: so basically you sell a gigaflop? |
| 21:51.49 | Blitx | $95 -- http://www.pcrpg.org/pics/cpu/2706mhz/sanarithmetic.gif |
| 21:51.49 | hexxeh | takatumi, the sun originally cost Ā£750,000. the ibm was a third of that |
| 21:51.54 | Danar | anyone know how to fix that? |
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| 21:52.05 | takatumi | hexxeh: amazing. |
| 21:52.06 | debd00d | greycat: what was i looking for on the faq? |
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| 21:52.25 | Danar | debd00d: try libx11-dev |
| 21:52.39 | debd00d | ok ill try it |
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| 21:53.02 | Danar | debd00d: or x-dev |
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| 21:53.29 | Danar | both wouldnĀ“ hurt |
| 21:53.30 | takatumi | hexxeh: what bogo mips do these clusters give, if you don't mind. |
| 21:53.34 | Klon | ps3 = 1 teraflops (in mine and kutaragis dreams) |
| 21:53.49 | Blitx | heh |
| 21:53.50 | simonrvn | motherfucker, my usercount script is stuck at 902 |
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| 21:53.56 | dondelelcaro | ah, bogomips... the most useless of benchmarks... |
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| 21:54.10 | takatumi | simonrvn: 849 870 |
| 21:54.15 | d0t | Hmmmm, an lsmod | grep agp shows this |
| 21:54.16 | d0t | intel_mch_agp 10704 0 |
| 21:54.16 | d0t | intel_agp 22848 1 |
| 21:54.16 | d0t | agpgart 35340 2 intel_mch_agp,intel_agp |
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| 21:54.24 | takatumi | dondelelcaro: I know, but just for kicks. |
| 21:54.27 | simonrvn | 855 |
| 21:54.28 | prahal | sepski: for your raid5 mythtv is soft raid enough ? |
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| 21:54.38 | hexxeh | takatumi, the ibm registers as 2516.58 per cpu. |
| 21:54.52 | sepski | softraid can be faster them many hardware solutions it's way fast enough |
| 21:55.00 | sepski | not a 8086 naturaly but you get my meaning |
| 21:55.15 | takatumi | hexxeh: that's not bad for p3 |
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| 21:55.33 | debd00d | Danar: that did it, thank you very much |
| 21:55.34 | willis | i got a IBM 400 series server in my garage ... |
| 21:55.35 | dondelelcaro | sepski: it totally depends. |
| 21:55.38 | hexxeh | takatumi, bogomips doesn't mean anything, though |
| 21:55.39 | Danar | debd00d: np |
| 21:55.41 | Blitx | software raid on a modern computer is faster than hardware raid using even the latest of 3ware hardware (~$400) |
| 21:55.44 | Danar | which one? |
| 21:55.48 | simonrvn | LSorense1: got yourself a domain name? :) |
| 21:55.53 | takatumi | hexxeh: I know. |
| 21:55.54 | simonrvn | woops |
| 21:55.56 | hexxeh | Blitx, cpu use is high though |
| 21:56.00 | prahal | sepski: sure , though i may have to forgive using a fanless system, don t i ? |
| 21:56.18 | Blitx | yes |
| 21:56.18 | hexxeh | Blitx, even on a fast system, maxing out software raid runs up to 10% cpu use. a 3ware is closer to 0% |
| 21:56.29 | sepski | prahal, if i should make a new one now today i'd get a via epia m10000 |
| 21:56.36 | Blitx | not true |
| 21:56.39 | prahal | willis: ? i m confident a debian devel need some |
| 21:56.46 | sepski | small can get fanless psu for it, tv out and hardware decoder |
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| 21:56.54 | sepski | and pxe netvorc card |
| 21:56.57 | kaiowa | why when i explore with konqueror a /mnt/hda it said permision denied, but if i do as root with konsole i have no problems?? |
| 21:56.59 | prahal | sepski: thanks :) |
| 21:57.01 | LSorense1 | simonrvn: no using a friends system |
| 21:57.05 | simonrvn | ah |
| 21:57.21 | Blitx | I tried a software raid on an AMD @ 2.51GHz--it soaked up about 30% or more |
| 21:57.21 | Blitx | benched at 12MB/s |
| 21:57.21 | LSorense1 | Blitx: raid what? |
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| 21:57.23 | Blitx | RAID-5 |
| 21:57.25 | Danar | takatumi: xmodmap: commandline:0: bad number of buttons, must have 3 instead of 7 |
| 21:57.26 | LSorense1 | Blitx: dh! |
| 21:57.28 | clintar | has anyone here tried gentoo? |
| 21:57.28 | nvz | kaiowa: what kind of fs did you mount there? |
| 21:57.36 | kaiowa | ntfs |
| 21:57.41 | prahal | BLarg: dma on ? |
| 21:57.46 | Danar | do you know what exactly is wrong (what to fix)? |
| 21:57.48 | LSorense1 | Blitx: raid5 is entirely xor. raid1 is excelent in software, raid5 really is best done with a ahrdware xor engine |
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| 21:57.51 | simonrvn | scsi raid1 so far has ben negligable |
| 21:57.55 | kaiowa | and other with vfat and the same |
| 21:57.58 | simonrvn | been* |
| 21:58.02 | sepski | Blitx, i play 3 divx's from that raid at the same time, and it's at almost no cpu use at all |
| 21:58.09 | caiqian | kaiwa: you should mount with mask or owner options. |
| 21:58.14 | nvz | kaiowa: is it in fstab? |
| 21:58.16 | Blitx | reading takes nada, but writing does for sure |
| 21:58.17 | sepski | it's a p4 2ghz with 512 mb ram ddr333 |
| 21:58.29 | simonrvn | sepski: playing some video isn't exactly disk intensive |
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| 21:58.33 | Blitx | my 3ware raid controller is slow as hell, too :( |
| 21:58.35 | LSorense1 | Blitx: raid5 is not recommended in software |
| 21:58.48 | frank7622 | i'm getting ready to compile and install pcmcia-cs-3.2.8 on a woody 3.0 bf2.4 system. how do uninstall the pcmcia-cs-3.1.3 module i have running? |
| 21:58.51 | LSorense1 | Blitx: hardware raid5 is slow on the 3ware? what model? |
| 21:58.52 | sepski | simonrvn, exatly it's perfect for my use |
| 21:58.55 | caiqian | kaiowa: like this: uid=1000,gid=1000 |
| 21:58.55 | kaiowa | yes , i have /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs ro,user,auto 0 0 in fstab |
| 21:58.57 | justin | sepski: wtf is playing 3 divx movies supposed to show? |
| 21:58.58 | Blitx | 7500-8 |
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| 21:59.09 | LSorense1 | Blitx: ah, one of the older models |
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| 21:59.13 | Blitx | according to what I've been told, the 9500's aren't any faster either |
| 21:59.17 | nvz | kaiowa: do you need more than one user to access this other than root? |
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| 21:59.33 | LSorense1 | Blitx: not sure what speed it should do. I was under the impression they tended to get very good speed on raid5 |
| 21:59.39 | kaiowa | no only one |
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| 21:59.41 | Blitx | nope |
| 21:59.47 | Blitx | their site shows glowind details |
| 21:59.53 | justin | the bitrate of a divx movie isn't even 1MB/s |
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| 21:59.57 | takatumi | Danar: I haven't tried it, I just use a touchpad. |
| 21:59.57 | LSorensen | Blitx: what transfer rate does it it do in raid5? |
| 21:59.59 | Blitx | but in reality people see 20MB/s or less |
| 22:00.02 | darkaudit | I've been getting the wrong speed reported back for my discs when I try to burn DVDs... 8x disc coming up as 8.2x |
| 22:00.02 | simonrvn | of course it would.... |
| 22:00.05 | Blitx | I get 8MB/s |
| 22:00.13 | nvz | kaiowa: then just add that user's uid/gid to the options list "ro,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000" and remount it as root |
| 22:00.13 | LSorensen | Blitx: hmm, that is pretty slow. |
| 22:00.16 | Blitx | talked to another guy who got ~20 |
| 22:00.25 | Blitx | site displays 70ish |
| 22:00.28 | Blitx | it's all bullshit |
| 22:00.29 | simonrvn | Blitx: ever hear the expression "take with a grain of salt"? |
| 22:00.31 | kaiowa | ok, thx |
| 22:00.51 | frank7622 | i'm getting ready to compile and install pcmcia-cs-3.2.8 on a woody 3.0 bf2.4 system. how do uninstall the pcmcia-cs-3.1.3 module i have running? |
| 22:00.54 | Blitx | And if you ask them, they just rely on a pat answer of "You aren't using 64-bit PCI" though people on 64 get slow rates too |
| 22:00.55 | nvz | kaiowa: mount -o remount,ro /mnt/hda1 |
| 22:01.06 | simonrvn | Blitx: they're trying to sell you something, of course it's going to get "rave reviews" and such crap |
| 22:01.08 | darkaudit | trying to figure out if the last upgrade of dvd+rw-tools might have broken something... |
| 22:01.14 | Blitx | yeah, but an 800% grain? |
| 22:01.26 | Blitx | I'd love to see 25 |
| 22:01.29 | justin | darkaudit: do you have an actual problem? |
| 22:01.30 | Blitx | I'm not picky |
| 22:01.30 | LSorensen | Blitx: what drives are you using? |
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| 22:01.39 | Blitx | 5 WD1200JBs |
| 22:01.40 | frank7622 | i have a problem? |
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| 22:02.00 | sepski | Blitx, do you test that with hdparm or bonnie ? |
| 22:02.10 | Blitx | ATTO |
| 22:02.24 | takatumi | frank7622: why not try sarge instead? |
| 22:02.34 | Blitx | I haven't migrated to debian yet, that's just in the works. I'm still a WinWeenie atm |
| 22:02.42 | darkaudit | justin: every DVD I try to burn @8x has been corrupt when burning w/ k3b... even replaced the drive... no luck |
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| 22:03.10 | abrotman | darkaudit: #debian-kde |
| 22:03.19 | iliaserolstein | hiya fellas, I wanna install directFB on my debian unstable, but I don't even know where to begin and GOOGLE (damnit) wont help me out |
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| 22:03.43 | LSorensen | Blitx: hmm, all the 3ware benchmarks are done with iometer whatever that is |
| 22:04.00 | LSorensen | Blitx: how many drives in the raid5? |
| 22:04.06 | Blitx | 5 |
| 22:04.23 | paulswm | heh |
| 22:04.24 | LSorensen | darkaudit: checked if growisofs has a bug? |
| 22:04.33 | Blitx | IO/s doesn't really do me much good. MB/s is what I need, you know? =) I do large sequential writes...not serving |
| 22:04.58 | iliaserolstein | hey, answer plz, I have to go to the bathroom |
| 22:05.00 | darkaudit | LSorensen: nothing that looks like what's been happening to me... |
| 22:05.26 | LSorensen | darkaudit: I can't imagine what else k3b could do to growisofs to corrupt the disk |
| 22:05.46 | caiqian | iliaserolstein: what's you want? libdirectfb? |
| 22:05.47 | LSorensen | darkaudit: it really should just call the program with some parameters as far as I know, unless it is calling mkisofs with wrong arguments |
| 22:05.48 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 22:05.49 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 22:06.14 | simonrvn | iliaserolstein: /lastlog foo; now go do whatever |
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| 22:06.32 | GrayFoX | bonjour tout le monde |
| 22:06.41 | simonrvn | hi |
| 22:06.43 | GrayFoX | quelqu'un peut aider un noob ? |
| 22:06.45 | paulswm | !fr |
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| 22:06.45 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 22:06.52 | darkaudit | LSorensen: after a recent upgrade, it started reporting funky speeds for the discs... 8.2x instead of 8x |
| 22:06.54 | simonrvn | @french |
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| 22:06.56 | ravenbird | For help in french, please join #debian-fr. Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr. |
| 22:07.15 | Blitx | broadcom is supposed to make an awesome hardware raid controller though |
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| 22:07.24 | Blitx | bench in around a REAL 60MB/s write in RAID-5 |
| 22:07.36 | Blitx | which is 4-5x faster than the other leaders |
| 22:07.37 | LSorensen | darkaudit: same batch of media? |
| 22:08.04 | darkaudit | LSorensen: nope... tried 3 different brands |
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| 22:08.40 | HotFalafel | abrotman: hmmm... I am stuck |
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| 22:08.55 | caiqian | do there has a debian-mentors channel? I have some packages to upload. |
| 22:09.07 | MesaMan | Ok. Backup question... well, restore. Say my HD crashes. I reinstall Debian and then restore from... tape, tar, whatever. Backup consists of everything but, say /proc.... will the restore actually return my system back to what it was at the last backup or are there some other files that just shouldn't be backed up? |
| 22:09.28 | hexxeh | /proc doesn't exist |
| 22:09.56 | prahal | iliaserolstein: you should have vesa or another framebuffer setup , tehn look for the checkfb program from the wyodesktop site |
| 22:10.04 | hexxeh | it's a figment of the kernel's imagination |
| 22:10.08 | LSorensen | darkaudit: is there a newer version of dvd+rw-tools out? |
| 22:10.11 | takatumi | caiqian: yes, #debian-mentors |
| 22:10.15 | LSorensen | darkaudit: drive firmware up to date? |
| 22:10.18 | sbk | I think MesaMan is asking whether there is some *other* things like /proc |
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| 22:10.23 | iliaserolstein | I said, why do u ppl not answer me? |
| 22:10.27 | iliaserolstein | is it my breath? |
| 22:10.42 | sepski | iliaserolstein, maybe your attitude, or just nobody knows ? |
| 22:10.49 | iliaserolstein | ah, tnx :) |
| 22:11.00 | prahal | iliaserolstein: ? i don t get it , just replied , maybe you should open your eyes, that helps sometimes :) |
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| 22:11.01 | LSorensen | iliaserolstein: usually lack of response means the question made no sense |
| 22:11.04 | paulswm | MesaMan: depends on your backup software, your filesystem types and activity on the system |
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| 22:11.13 | darkaudit | LSorensen: ver is latest... that's where problems started happening. Firmware on old drive was updated, this drive is just a couple days old, and I haven't done anything with the firmware yet |
| 22:11.16 | lupo | Hi. I have a keyboard problem in X. To get a "~" in x applications (aterm, xterm, openoffice etc.) I need to press [~ + space]. Anyone knows how to change this? |
| 22:11.17 | iliaserolstein | prahal I know, I knew it too late though |
| 22:11.19 | MesaMan | sbk: yea, in part.. or anything else that would mess up that scenerio |
| 22:11.20 | iliaserolstein | tnx |
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| 22:11.31 | war- | Anyone here know someone who owns an A-Bit IC7-G and uses 1GB pieces of memory (for a total of 1,2,3,4 GB ?) if so , what type of memory does he or she use? |
| 22:11.43 | LSorensen | darkaudit: I have managed in the past to have my dvd writer get confused and after a power cycle it worked perfectly. |
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| 22:12.03 | LSorensen | war-: what chipset does that have? |
| 22:12.10 | MesaMan | paulswm: oh? ext3 would backup/restore differently than ext2? And I'm talking about mostly file dumps like tar would give... or Veritas or such |
| 22:12.12 | peterS | war-: surely it's documented somewhere (in your mobo manual) what type of memory you need |
| 22:12.15 | war- | i875p |
| 22:12.23 | war- | I have 4GB ecc, does not work with any chips. |
| 22:12.26 | takatumi | darkaudit: tried growisofs? |
| 22:12.27 | peterS | war-: failing that, go to crucial.com and see what they think you should buy from them |
| 22:12.28 | prahal | iliaserolstein: also the debian packages are a little outdated, the sound driver is missing, and use the latest 2.6 kernel (maybe -mm) a lot of fixes and features where added to frmaebuffer drivers lately (look in gmane.org for fbdev and the like) |
| 22:12.28 | war- | must only work w/non-ecc |
| 22:12.40 | hexxeh | war-, why would you use ECC on a desktop board? |
| 22:12.42 | Blitx | Broadcom RAIDCore BC4452 - 65MB/s write, while the SI 3144 got 15MB/s and the 3ware 9500 got 5MB/s |
| 22:12.44 | war- | even though the manual states it can use either ecc or non-ecc |
| 22:12.46 | Blitx | RAID5 |
| 22:12.55 | war- | hexxeh: for dells, if you put non-ecc 768mb, it doesnt work, ecc-768mb = workes |
| 22:13.03 | war- | for abit ic7-g though, it is different |
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| 22:13.24 | darkaudit | takatumi: I think that's where the problem is... k3b is calling growisofs |
| 22:13.40 | takatumi | darkaudit: try it outside k3b maybe. |
| 22:13.44 | sbk | Since disk space is rather plentiful, why bother using raid-5 anyway? Curious... |
| 22:13.55 | darkaudit | LSorensen: I'll try that... |
| 22:13.56 | hexxeh | sbk, reaid 5 is redundant, against disk failure |
| 22:14.02 | darkaudit | takatumi: and that :) |
| 22:14.02 | sepski | sbk, redundancy |
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| 22:14.08 | peterS | hexxeh: but he means as opposed to raid 1, I guess |
| 22:14.10 | LSorensen | war-: Well according to www.crucial.com, that board will work with 4*1GB of PC2700 or PC3200 _unbuffered_ ecc or non-ecc |
| 22:14.17 | war- | yes |
| 22:14.19 | prahal | Blitx: you shoudl write an article for the tom hardware guide ...i m tired of pasting your quotes :) |
| 22:14.20 | sbk | peterS: thanks for the clarification :-) |
| 22:14.21 | LSorensen | war-: buffered ram will not work |
| 22:14.27 | darkaudit | LSorensen: and I'm filing a bug report on the speed reporting |
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| 22:14.33 | war- | LSorensen: it said registered 4GB of memory works |
| 22:14.35 | war- | on crucial |
| 22:14.41 | LSorensen | war-: not according to crucial |
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| 22:14.46 | hexxeh | sbk, raid1 gives N/2 disk space, raid5 gives N-1. |
| 22:15.13 | sbk | hexxeh: yes, I understand the disk space argument :-) |
| 22:15.20 | LSorensen | war-: all listed modules for the board say unbuffered aka. not registered |
| 22:15.22 | paulswm | MesaMan: yes, ext3 would, becasue of journalling. You stand more change of retaining filesystem integrity, I expect. |
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| 22:15.37 | hexxeh | ext3 ate my /home |
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| 22:15.46 | abrotman | hotfalflflael left eh? |
| 22:15.46 | LSorensen | war-: registered memory is used in some workstations and most servers and very few desktops |
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| 22:15.57 | war- | LSorensen: k |
| 22:16.15 | LSorensen | war-: so at least for the IC7-G max2 it does not take registered memory |
| 22:16.31 | abrotman | !kill me |
| 22:16.36 | peterS | hexxeh: actually raid1 doesn't give you N/2, it gives you N/N. maybe you're thinking of raid1+0, or raid1 on discrete pairs of disks |
| 22:16.59 | abrotman | it's n/2 |
| 22:17.07 | LSorensen | peterS: each disk has a clone, hence n/2 |
| 22:17.07 | abrotman | take all your drives .. half it .. that's what you get |
| 22:17.15 | peterS | abrotman: it is not. if I create a raid1 of 3 disks, I don't get 1.5 disks of capacity, I get one |
| 22:17.22 | hexxeh | peterS, N/N, so 10 disks is only 1 disk's worth of space? |
| 22:17.25 | LSorensen | pat: n/n would mean you get 1 disk capacity even with 5000 disks |
| 22:17.27 | sepski | if you have 4 disks in a raid1 you have the storage space of 1 disk |
| 22:17.27 | nasty | I'm gonna play ignorant here.. pkg-source is included in what package? i don't seem to have it and can't find it in apt-cache search |
| 22:17.30 | Blitx | yeah, n/2 |
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| 22:17.38 | hexxeh | peterS, try N/P |
| 22:17.39 | Blitx | I run two RAID-1 volumes as well =) |
| 22:17.43 | peterS | hexxeh: if you mirror all 10 disks as a raid1 partition, then yes. that seems rather like overkill, though |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | peterS: i guess that matters how many you mirror .. if you do raid1 with 10 drives and all are the same mirror .. then yes |
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| 22:18.13 | sepski | raid1 with 3 disks where 1 is hotstandby is not to uncommon |
| 22:18.14 | abrotman | peterS: but you could do raid1 with 10 drives and have 5 volumes |
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| 22:18.18 | peterS | abrotman: yes. that is what we mean by "N". if you didn't intend for N to be greater than 2, you should have said so |
| 22:18.30 | justin | abrotman: then you have 5 raid1 mirrors, not 1 |
| 22:18.31 | Blitx | peter, unless you do extra hotspares, in RAID-1 it is N/2 |
| 22:18.32 | sbk | the raid nomenclature police is awake! |
| 22:18.34 | abrotman | N=10 .. i have 5 volumes .. N/2 is 5 :) |
| 22:18.39 | simonrvn | mr. pedantic ;) |
| 22:18.53 | peterS | abrotman: then N is 2, and you have 5 of these configurations. |
| 22:18.57 | justin | abrotman: no, you have 5 N/N volumes |
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| 22:19.04 | abrotman | N is the number of drives |
| 22:19.11 | abrotman | bah . i don't care enough |
| 22:19.14 | peterS | abrotman: yes. the number of drives in your raid1 partition. |
| 22:19.19 | abrotman | this is like a big O notation argument :) |
| 22:19.45 | abrotman | "It's LogN(O) .. no .. it's LogN/2(O) |
| 22:19.48 | LSorensen | justin: by your method I can do 5 raid1 volumes with 5 disks. Sign me up for that bonus |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 22:19.54 | peterS | abrotman: if you say RAID-5 is N-1, then you are implicitly accepting the notion that all the disks go into the *same* RAID volume. why would this same assumption not hold for raid-1? |
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| 22:20.17 | abrotman | peterS: i already gave up ..y ou win by default .. i don't care enough |
| 22:20.19 | sbk | not to mention it's more commonly written as O(logN) as well :-) |
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| 22:20.32 | ambiguous | could I use the same like in rpm: "--nodeps" for apt-get? I don't want to delete de depenced software? |
| 22:20.33 | abrotman | sbk: see :) |
| 22:20.37 | justin | LSorensen: you can, but they will all be degraded :-P |
| 22:20.42 | peterS | abrotman: well, the reason it matters is that it *does* sometimes make sense to do a 3-disk raid-1 volume. you get even more redundancy |
| 22:20.45 | LSorensen | justin: but that's not raid1 anymore |
| 22:20.46 | abrotman | sbk: it's been a long time |
| 22:20.53 | peterS | a 10-disk volume, not so much sense |
| 22:20.59 | abrotman | peterS: i suppose .. you could certainly do that if oyu wanted |
| 22:21.01 | sbk | abrotman: right, I see your point :-) |
| 22:21.01 | justin | LSorensen: sure it is, each volume is just missing a drive |
| 22:21.10 | abrotman | peterS: doesn't make sense to you .. but it may to someone else where that data is life |
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| 22:21.38 | peterS | abrotman: svn.debian.org has a 5-disk raid1 volume for the root filesystem, actually. I think it's overkill but likely they just wanted raid1 and it was simplest to partition all 5 scsi disks exactly the same |
| 22:21.43 | simonrvn | 50 min |
| 22:22.02 | abrotman | peterS: i've a system that has 4 copies of the data .. not RAID per se .. but 4 copies .. 1 of them live |
| 22:22.26 | abrotman | though .. 1 is a RAID drive |
| 22:22.27 | peterS | abrotman: needless to say, the same machine and the same 5 disks have a few raid-5 volumes spanning them as well |
| 22:22.35 | harca | i always stop some daemons by doing /etc/init.d/app stop. how do i stop it from being started at boot time?? stop it everytime is annoying |
| 22:22.51 | sepski | harca, use update-rc.d |
| 22:22.55 | paulswm | MesaMan: I apologize - I'd just turned off my box when it dawned on me that you were really asking about file copy type backups, please forgive me my idiotic response |
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| 22:23.03 | harca | sepski thnx |
| 22:23.32 | vanston | what cpu, vga and memory would I need to play dvd on linux? |
| 22:23.33 | MesaMan | paulswm: No prob :) It's easy to get lost, sometimes, in #debian IRC.. |
| 22:23.34 | abrotman | peterS: you could .. i guess the common thing is that if you say you have N drives per volume .. then with RAID1 .. you get N/2(assuming 2 per volume) .. and raid5 is N-1 .. |
| 22:23.44 | abrotman | peterS: but of course .. this is all moot .. i gave up :) |
| 22:23.44 | lupo | I have a keyboard problem in X. To get a "~" in x applications (aterm, xterm, openoffice etc.) I need to press [~ + space]. Anyone knows how to change this? |
| 22:23.53 | peterS | the 5-disk raid1 volume for swap seemed a bit absurd to me, though |
| 22:23.55 | justin | lupo: you are using ssh? |
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| 22:24.02 | lupo | no, just x |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | peterS: you will have as much redundency as it requires to have your data be there in the morning |
| 22:24.07 | WiFiTux | !praise nvidia |
| 22:24.10 | justin | nm then :-) |
| 22:24.16 | paulswm | MesaMan: there are so many copying utilities, I'm not sure which deal well with half written files. But /proc is the only oddity AFAIK and I've done *lots* of backup/restores, I'm moving my stuff around all the time |
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| 22:24.28 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, in your terminology the raid-5 has N-M where M is the number of volumes you're talking about. you rejected the assumption that N meant the number of disks in the raid set |
| 22:24.46 | abrotman | M isn't the number of volumes |
| 22:24.51 | abrotman | and i said per volume |
| 22:24.51 | lupo | justin: thx anyways |
| 22:24.55 | peterS | abrotman: the number of raid-5 volumes, yes |
| 22:25.03 | simonrvn | no M is the number of mangoes |
| 22:25.04 | abrotman | if you have 5 disks for RAID5 .. you get 4 for storage and one for parity |
| 22:25.15 | abrotman | assuming one RAID5 volume |
| 22:25.17 | prahal | sepski: with the pxe trick, did you mean that only the OS was retrieve from the pxe server , or do you also send the video recordings via the newtork (gigabit ?) to your file server ? |
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| 22:25.18 | paulswm | MesaMan: and of course /proc is a separate filesystem so it's easy to avoid it |
| 22:25.19 | peterS | abrotman: you assume there's more than one raid-1 volume if N is greater than 2. why then assume that you will only use a single raid-5 volume? |
| 22:25.22 | MesaMan | paulswm: I've always just reformed, reinstalled, repatched, etc... But now I've got to look at being able to replicate the box |
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| 22:25.56 | sepski | prahal, the os is booted from the network then it mounts a storage with nfs, and playes the media from there, and 100mbit is enoughf |
| 22:26.03 | abrotman | peterS: i already said it was 1 RAID5 volume .. and in a single RAID5 volume .. it's N-1 .. in RAID1 .. if you have more than a single mirror .. then yes .. it's N/N per volume |
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| 22:26.23 | whistle | hello |
| 22:26.27 | abrotman | peterS: and you could say that with a single mirror it is still N/N |
| 22:26.37 | abrotman | since it is two drives .. 2/2 .. 1 volume |
| 22:27.02 | peterS | abrotman: right. if N means the number of disks in a raid set, then we have N-1 for raid5 and N/N=1 for raid1. the difference is that often with raid1 you want to create multiple raid sets, to get more disk space |
| 22:27.40 | abrotman | peterS: i didn't mean N to signify the number of drives in a system .. just in a volume .. logical raid drive if you will |
| 22:27.45 | paulswm | MesaMan: I have not encoutnered a problem restoring filesystems either with a simple cp -ax backup, or dump. I do ensure that the filesystem I'm backing up is quiescent, though, so I always go to su more for '/'. I've backuked up and restored /var while its been in use, though, and it's always sorted itself out |
| 22:27.46 | peterS | but with multiple raid sets, you're no longer talking about N=10, you're talking about 5 instances of N=2 |
| 22:27.55 | prahal | sepski: ok you do not record then . You have video/audio file server and a viewer booted via pxe |
| 22:27.57 | paulswm | s/more/mode/ |
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| 22:28.07 | abrotman | peterS: i have at least one system here with RAID1 and RAID5 .. 2 drives for RAID1 .. 3 for RAID5 .. 1 hotspare |
| 22:28.20 | peterS | good deal |
| 22:28.21 | MesaMan | paulswm: kewls! That's what I wanted to hear! |
| 22:28.25 | abrotman | i maybe 4 of those .. i can't remember right now :) |
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| 22:29.00 | sepski | prahal, i have nothing to record from. 1 channel terrestial only! no cable and a big frigging mountain blocking all satelites, i have to resort to dl my tv shows from p2p (hush) |
| 22:29.00 | harca | another question. i've changed the runlevel to 3 on inittab but it still starts X. how do i start at text screen? |
| 22:29.02 | paulswm | MesaMan: glad to help. Like I say, I am moving my whole system around all the time, got lots of disks and partitions. |
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| 22:29.11 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. but i didn't think i was trying to imply that N=# of drives in the system |
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| 22:29.32 | NormAst | Anyone know what package rexecd is in? |
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| 22:29.38 | sepski | harca, remove (apt-get remove) or disable (update-rc.d) you'r xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 22:29.38 | abrotman | !tell NormAst about find |
| 22:29.41 | abrotman | !tell NormAst about search |
| 22:29.42 | abrotman | duh |
| 22:29.43 | streuner__ | harca: #kurumin |
| 22:29.49 | simonrvn | NormAst: pdo does |
| 22:29.49 | peterS | oh dear, rexecd is still around? |
| 22:29.55 | paulswm | bye, y'all stay safe now, y'hear? |
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| 22:30.01 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | damn right |
| 22:30.05 | harca | thnx streuner and sepski |
| 22:30.07 | mh_le | how do I ser the resolution to 1280x1024? |
| 22:30.10 | abrotman | keep 'em comin' |
| 22:30.12 | mh_le | set even |
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| 22:30.17 | NormAst | yea... I need to do a rexec from another machine. |
| 22:30.18 | orfeu | hy all ! |
| 22:30.20 | sepski | harca, and debian dont do runlevels the same way as redhat, you can do it that way using update-rc.d if you so wish |
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| 22:30.36 | paulswm | abrotman: :D g'day |
| 22:30.36 | streuner__ | !kurumin |
| 22:30.36 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 22:30.41 | prahal | sepski: damn , a bouddha life, not that there s musch to record here in france , but a least i can practice:-/ |
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| 22:30.46 | abrotman | paulswm: it's just about quittin time too |
| 22:30.54 | harca | ok ok |
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| 22:32.03 | impasse | apt-cache ??? for serach |
| 22:32.09 | streuner__ | !factinfo kurumin |
| 22:32.09 | dpkg | kurumin -- last modified at Sat Sep 25 19:57:33 2004 by helix!~helix@helix.user; it has been requested 10 times, last by streuner__, 1m 31s ago. |
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| 22:32.14 | sepski | prahal, usualy it's quite easy to dl the tv series from p2p but the crackdown on p2p sites makes content harder to find. |
| 22:32.14 | simonrvn | man apt-cache |
| 22:32.26 | sepski | oh and did i mention that the 1 terrestial channel only sends crap :) |
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| 22:32.44 | simonrvn | streuner__: hi |
| 22:32.57 | streuner__ | simonrvn: ever saw piespy? |
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| 22:33.21 | simonrvn | probably not |
| 22:33.25 | impasse | apt-cachee is cccorrect |
| 22:33.57 | streuner__ | simonrvn: http://jibble.org/piespy/ |
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| 22:35.03 | streuner__ | dpkg, piespy is <relply> PieSpy is an IRC bot that monitors a set of IRC channels. It uses a simple set of heuristics to infer relationships between pairs of users. These inferrences allow PieSpy to build a mathematical model of a social network for any channel. These social networks can be drawn and used to create animations of evolving social networks. |
| 22:35.04 | dpkg | okay, streuner__ |
| 22:35.20 | ratbert90 | ugh, I wish I had a faster connection to the net at school. :\ downloading at 4kbps is just sad :( |
| 22:35.33 | peterS | streuner__: <relply>? |
| 22:35.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:35.41 | streuner__ | yeah, typo |
| 22:35.53 | mh_le | how do I set the resolution in X to 1280x1024? |
| 22:35.54 | streuner__ | dpkg, forget piespy |
| 22:35.55 | dpkg | i forgot piespy, streuner__ |
| 22:35.58 | simonrvn | mh_le: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 22:36.34 | streuner__ | dpkg, piespy is <reply> PieSpy is an IRC bot that monitors a set of IRC channels. It uses a simple set of heuristics to infer relationships between pairs of users. These inferrences allow PieSpy to build a mathematical model of a social network for any channel. These social networks can be drawn and used to create animations of evolving social networks. |
| 22:36.34 | dpkg | okay, streuner__ |
| 22:36.43 | simonrvn | 1h10m |
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| 22:38.47 | sepski | simonrvn, well how did it go the whole channel is holding it's breath it seams :) |
| 22:38.50 | peterS | simonrvn: those take a long time? |
| 22:39.02 | simonrvn | no, just a *LOT* of them |
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| 22:39.34 | simonrvn | sepski: still waiting... |
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| 22:40.06 | mh_le | simonrvn, thanks :) |
| 22:40.22 | orfeu | it here some who whant to spear some time with me ?? i'm a beginer in debian ? :)) |
| 22:40.24 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:40.30 | mh_le | where do I add apt sources? |
| 22:40.31 | simonrvn | orfeu: just ask |
| 22:40.44 | simonrvn | mh_le: see the faq |
| 22:40.44 | sepski | mh_le, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:40.46 | simonrvn | !faq |
| 22:40.46 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 22:41.11 | Agrajag- | can anyone tell me what state kde is in testing? if i try to upgrade, it tells me a whole lot of kde stuff has been kept back - and if i try to install something like konsole, it tells me it wants to remove kde. is it broken? or is it just me? |
| 22:41.17 | orfeu | simonrvn i have a psx2 mouse with scroll but in X don't work !!! |
| 22:41.26 | orfeu | what i must do ? |
| 22:41.28 | peterS | orfeu: what kernel version? |
| 22:41.32 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:41.33 | orfeu | 2.427 |
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| 22:41.44 | peterS | orfeu: yeah, as simonrvn says, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:41.55 | peterS | orfeu: tell it to use device "/dev/psaux" and protocol "ImPS/2" |
| 22:42.08 | orfeu | thnks ! i like here ! :) |
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| 22:42.52 | mythsmith | hi! Since I've enabled the firewall (firstarter) the console is unusable, because i see all firewall's activity on all terminals. How can I avoid the firewall to stream all that unuseful stuff on my terminals? |
| 22:43.09 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: you should be able to install kde 3.3.1 just fine in testing, assuming you haven't done anythign wierd. |
| 22:43.18 | VoX | why, when doing a dist-upgrade, does apt not automaticaly run lilo, if it's just been upgraded? Is there a specific reason for this? |
| 22:43.23 | hexxeh | :| is using psaux really neccessary? devinputmince picks up ps2 events, us events, whatever, avoiding reconfiguring x if you change your input device |
| 22:43.23 | dodgyville | Use the shell on the first sarge install CD, how do I mount an existing linux partition? There is no /dev/hda ... |
| 22:43.49 | hexxeh | dodgyville, i believe it uses devfs, something like /dev/disks/badger/mushroom/snake |
| 22:43.58 | peterS | VoX: it doesn't *automatically* because there could be obscure situations where you don't have lilo.conf configured right yet and you don't want to run lilo for fear of overwriting the wrong boot block, or something |
| 22:44.06 | sepski | mythsmith, not personaly had to deal with that, but i would guess a look at syslog.conf coudn't hurt |
| 22:44.15 | peterS | dodgyville: look in /dev/discs/... |
| 22:45.11 | k-man | anyone have any experience with djbdns here? |
| 22:45.22 | azreal | anyone have any problems with vesa fb kerenl 2.6.10? i downgraded back to 2.6.8 because of a blank screen prob. |
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| 22:45.40 | Weems2 | help |
| 22:45.48 | streuner__ | ask |
| 22:45.51 | VoX | peterS: but but.. that's crap :) You're pretty much either going to have lilo or grub installed. I'd just think it'd make sense to atleast ask if you'd like apt to run lilo |
| 22:45.53 | Weems2 | sorry |
| 22:45.57 | Weems2 | i made a boo boo |
| 22:46.05 | peterS | VoX: it *does* ask, doesn't it? |
| 22:46.14 | VoX | hell no |
| 22:46.22 | k-man | how do i make djbdns return a local address for a specific hostname? |
| 22:46.26 | peterS | VoX: it always has for me. maybe they've changed it recently? |
| 22:46.36 | VoX | hmm it never has for me |
| 22:46.42 | takatumi | mythsmith: or try ulog |
| 22:46.42 | sepski | it askes if you need to run it, as in you have upgraded a kernel. if you didnt upgrade the kernel you dont need to run it |
| 22:46.44 | VoX | it just updates it and keeps going |
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| 22:46.46 | Weems2 | Is there a net-install floppy where I can choose from a list of ftp mirrors/ |
| 22:46.52 | Linoleum | hello |
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| 22:47.04 | streuner__ | weems: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:47.20 | streuner__ | !tell Weems2 about ig |
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| 22:47.37 | Linoleum | I would like to be sure of something : if I am unders sid, ant I am running a stock kernel, to install the nvidia kernel , I just need to do apt-get install nvidia-glx ??? is it right??? |
| 22:47.37 | borius | is there a pdf2html util? |
| 22:47.39 | VoX | and then i dont notice it's been updated, lose power to the box then spend the next half an hour fscking everything, after getting it to boot off an install cd :P |
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| 22:47.59 | streuner__ | borius: yes, just search for /msg dpkg search |
| 22:48.06 | sepski | Linoleum, no: read the howto at /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 22:48.09 | streuner__ | !find pdf2html |
| 22:48.11 | borius | streuner__: I didn't find it with apt-cache |
| 22:48.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2html' (2 shown): (/usr/share/doc/htdig-doc/examples/doc2html/pdf2html.pl) in doc/htdig-doc ;; (/usr/lib/swish-e/perl/pdf2html.pm, /usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/prog-bin/pdf2html.pm, /usr/share/doc/swish-e/examples/filter-bin/_pdf2html.pl) in web/swish-e. |
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| 22:48.30 | dondelelcaro | VoX: there's a whole host of things that have to happen before lilo gets run automatically. see /var/lib/dpkg/info/lilo.config to get some sort of an idea. |
| 22:48.36 | borius | so it's in swish and ht-dig? |
| 22:48.39 | dondelelcaro | VoX: even then, it'll still ask you if it should run. |
| 22:48.39 | borius | cool |
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| 22:48.53 | Linoleum | ok tkx |
| 22:48.55 | borius | is there something that converts pdf to image files? that'd be the optimal solution for me |
| 22:49.15 | dondelelcaro | borius: it's called convert |
| 22:49.23 | dondelelcaro | borius: convert foo.pdf foo.png, FE |
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| 22:49.42 | borius | dondelelcaro: seriously? wow! |
| 22:49.42 | streuner__ | FE? |
| 22:49.45 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 22:49.46 | dpkg | somebody said fe was a front end. dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
| 22:49.47 | borius | dondelelcaro: I'll try |
| 22:49.47 | peterS | streuner__: 'for example' |
| 22:49.57 | VoX | dondelelcaro: it never has in the 4 different installs of debian i've done, and it's the same for anyone else i've asked about it except for you and peters |
| 22:50.00 | peterS | oh, heh, it's even a known dondelelcaroism |
| 22:50.00 | streuner__ | ah, thanks. |
| 22:50.04 | Pakal | whst is the diference between suggest and recommended packages? |
| 22:50.20 | peterS | Pakal: Recommends: is stronger - you almost certainly, but not quite certainly, want the package |
| 22:50.24 | borius | streuner__: what package is convert in? |
| 22:50.26 | dondelelcaro | VoX: what, at install time? At install time it just defaults to grub. |
| 22:50.30 | borius | streuner__: imagemagick? |
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| 22:50.33 | peterS | Pakal: Suggests: means a lot of people would need it but a lot of people wouldn't |
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| 22:50.50 | takatumi | borius: try apt-file |
| 22:50.50 | streuner__ | borius: use /msg dpkg search, i would guess so. |
| 22:50.53 | dondelelcaro | VoX: at lilo upgrade time, it only runs if a set of situtations occurs. At kernel upgrade time, it gets run if the kernel-image's postinst says it should. |
| 22:51.09 | peterS | Pakal: as far as the software: dselect, by default, will auto-select Recommends: when you select a package, but will not auto-select Suggests:. I'm not sure what aptitude defaults to |
| 22:51.09 | borius | streuner__, takatumi: kthx |
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| 22:51.12 | dondelelcaro | (well, really, kernel-image install time...) |
| 22:51.21 | dondelelcaro | peterS: same thing, iirc. |
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| 22:51.50 | dodgyville | I'm using the install CD as a rescue CD. I have mounted the drive as /hda/. I have updated my lilo.conf and want to run /hda/sbin/lilo. But I suspect this will not do what I want it to do. |
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| 22:52.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: chroot /hda /sbin/lilo |
| 22:52.14 | dondelelcaro | (assuming what your settings are in /etc/apt/apt.conf and if you call aptitude with --without-recommend or --with-recommends |
| 22:52.14 | peterS | errrr |
| 22:52.19 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. ;-) |
| 22:52.20 | peterS | dodgyville: chroot /hda /sbin/lilo |
| 22:52.31 | dodgyville | peterS: Thanks |
| 22:52.43 | BullWeivelz | Help! my stupid debian box is doing this nightly... eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0000, PHY status 786d, resetting then everything dies on the damn box. i have no clue whats causing it...kinda weird that it does it about every 24 hours though |
| 22:52.51 | peterS | dodgyville: or, just chroot /hda /bin/bash and do whatever you want in there |
| 22:53.04 | peterS | sometimes that's less confusing |
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| 22:54.49 | dondelelcaro | more interesting output? |
| 22:54.52 | sepski | BullWeivelz, do you have an isp that resets your link daily ? also 'everythng dies' could do with more details |
| 22:54.59 | RichiH | hexxeh: see if you can get the kernel team to accept the patch |
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| 22:55.04 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: guess |
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| 22:55.29 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: I'm not sure I want to know... I hope it doesn't produce annoying results when you cat it to /dev/dsp |
| 22:55.43 | hexxeh | RichiH, i'd not want to be the one fingered for DSA 719-1 remote kernel root exploit in /dev/badger |
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| 22:55.52 | dodgyville | peterS: /proc is not mounted. I think this is going to cause me lots of grief |
| 22:56.11 | sepski | dodgyville, just mount it then |
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| 22:56.34 | peterS | dodgyville: yeah, just 'mount /proc' inside the 'chroot /hda /bin/bash' |
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| 22:56.53 | borius | I tried convert but it ain't working |
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| 22:57.05 | borius | convert: Portable Document delegate failed (Mutant Chronicles - Chronicles from the Warzone #2 - 1996.pdf). |
| 22:57.07 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: that would be /dev/badger_sound |
| 22:57.15 | takatumi | borius: what about pdftotext? |
| 22:57.22 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: scarier and scarier. |
| 22:57.22 | RichiH | hexxeh: heh |
| 22:57.22 | borius | takatumi: nah, pdfs got pics |
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| 22:57.25 | dodgyville | sepski, peterS: beautiful, thanks |
| 22:57.27 | ferris | how do i upgrade my kernel to the latest version? |
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| 22:57.43 | sepski | Ferret, apt-get install kernel-image-version-you-want |
| 22:57.53 | hexxeh | ferris, apt-cache search kernel-image, then apt-get install one of them |
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| 22:58.28 | takatumi | or enable bash_completion and tab it. |
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| 22:58.46 | mythsmith | takatumi: what is ulog |
| 22:59.22 | takatumi | mythsmith: apt-cache show ulogd |
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| 23:00.43 | Zetabyte | Does anyone know of a particular SATA card/chipset that they can vouch for as working with 2.6 line of kernels, out of the box? I've looked over a few hardware lists and I don't see anything concrete... |
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| 23:00.58 | hexxeh | Zetabyte, silicon image tend to do well on that front |
| 23:01.15 | hexxeh | Zetabyte, their pata chips are utterly awful though |
| 23:01.21 | crg | I have a file in the printing queue and the printer says it is ready. |
| 23:01.29 | crg | Why isnt it printing? |
| 23:01.29 | orfeu | what i must do to work flash in mozilla ? |
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| 23:01.39 | crg | Cups here |
| 23:01.39 | hexxeh | orfeu, install it |
| 23:01.39 | Zetabyte | ok, awesome. If i find one that's 15$ or something, is it probably not gonna work? do i have to go high-end, or not nessesarily? |
| 23:01.49 | orfeu | install it with apt-get ? |
| 23:01.57 | hexxeh | Zetabyte, well if you're after REAL kit, spend a few hundred on 3ware |
| 23:02.32 | hexxeh | orfeu, flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 23:02.33 | takatumi | orfeu: flashplugin |
| 23:02.34 | Zetabyte | it's going into a fileserver for personal use on my LAN, i was just looking to do cheap software RAID, but I already have 3x80GB SATA drives. |
| 23:02.53 | crg | lpq command says printer is ready and printing? |
| 23:03.01 | Zetabyte | since it's a dedicated machine, and i've heard new 2.6 kernel software raid outperforms almost all fakeraid setups and probably some hardware raids. |
| 23:03.02 | orfeu | thanks |
| 23:03.27 | takatumi | orfeu: eats cpu |
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| 23:04.10 | orfeu | takatumi: not work ! :) apt-get don't find package ! |
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| 23:04.46 | hexxeh | orfeu, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change 'main' to 'main contrib non-free', then apt-get update |
| 23:04.54 | crg | Anyone here understand the printing queue in CUPS? |
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| 23:06.16 | helloyo | all the links i have to application on my KDE desktop revert to their original filenames... |
| 23:06.31 | simonrvn | fuck man, 2.5 hours... |
| 23:06.37 | takatumi | helloyo: dump it then. |
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| 23:06.50 | mythsmith | crg: no. every time i have a proble, i do lprm -; cancel -a; killall lpd; killall cupsd; lpd, cupsd from root and from my user. In the meantime i reboot the printer. It's the only way to stop it once i did something wrong... |
| 23:07.13 | simonrvn | mv foo foo1 won't revert file name on you ;) |
| 23:07.26 | borius | yay, convert worked! just needed to install gs |
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| 23:07.28 | takatumi | all this to stop a print job? man we suck. |
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| 23:07.52 | crg | I want to figure it out. |
| 23:08.10 | crg | now I have two jobs on the queue. |
| 23:09.07 | simonrvn | :21:24:43 +0000] is when i started this... |
| 23:09.10 | sepski | crg check cups's logs under /var/log/cups |
| 23:09.26 | takatumi | simonrvn: started what? |
| 23:09.30 | simonrvn | it's now 18:09 EST -0500 |
| 23:09.46 | simonrvn | /lastlog DELETE |
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| 23:10.20 | mythsmith | takatumi: i now, it is stupid. But it's simpler that read all docs and deeply understand the universe of cups. |
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| 23:10.41 | simonrvn | you now what? |
| 23:11.35 | sepski | no! i need to go to bed. goodnight all |
| 23:12.02 | takatumi | mythsmith: haven't fiddled with cups, my hp deskjet has been out of ink for over a year. |
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| 23:12.23 | orfeu | thanks bye |
| 23:12.26 | mh_le | how |
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| 23:12.38 | mh_le | fhow do I set a new window manager in X? |
| 23:12.40 | takatumi | why |
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| 23:13.01 | simonrvn | !faq |
| 23:13.01 | mh_le | because I want to use enlightnement.. |
| 23:13.02 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 23:13.06 | crg | There is a lot of stuff in /var/log/cups |
| 23:13.28 | simonrvn | eh |
| 23:13.31 | takatumi | mh_le: install gdm or add it to .xinitrc or .xsession |
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| 23:13.53 | crg | I got unable to connect to samba host |
| 23:14.07 | crg | OK that narrows it down quite a bit. Thanks |
| 23:14.13 | takatumi | mh_le: did you install udev? |
| 23:14.19 | mh_le | takatumi, I am using gdm but it dosen't show enlightenment as an option.. |
| 23:14.27 | mh_le | takatumi, I don't think so |
| 23:14.41 | crg | I'll try a reboot of the stinking windows machine |
| 23:14.52 | takatumi | mh_le: dpkg -l udev will show. |
| 23:15.19 | mh_le | seems I did |
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| 23:16.25 | takatumi | mh_le: add exec enlightenment to .xinitrc and run startx (iirc) |
| 23:16.45 | takatumi | or .xsession or .Xsession |
| 23:16.48 | hexxeh | takatumi, s/initrc/session/ and s/startx/gdm/ |
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| 23:17.15 | mh_le | takatumi, will that work when I'm using gdm? |
| 23:17.20 | takatumi | hexxeh: gdm will pick it from .xsession? |
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| 23:17.46 | doublehp | it is 3 years I use ispell in en; today, I need to correct a text in french, but I dont want to change my default local; how can I ask ispell to use fr-FR dictionary just for today ? |
| 23:18.32 | citral | dondelelcaro: I was surfing on your site, and wanted to follow the link anylevel.com, but it redirects to how-to-find-porn.com :-/ |
| 23:18.50 | doublehp | how do I change the charset of my console ? for example tu UTF-8 ... |
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| 23:19.16 | simonrvn | that sucked |
| 23:19.53 | takatumi | doublehp: http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html |
| 23:20.06 | simonrvn | !utf8 howto |
| 23:20.12 | simonrvn | !utf-8 howto |
| 23:20.24 | simonrvn | !listkeys utf |
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| 23:20.25 | doublehp | simonrvn: lets google |
| 23:20.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'utf' by key (2 shown): 2utf ;; utf-8. |
| 23:20.34 | simonrvn | !utf-8 |
| 23:20.34 | dpkg | methinks utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man pages. |
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| 23:20.43 | simonrvn | ^^^ :) |
| 23:20.55 | sussudio | :-| |
| 23:21.13 | UberNeiztichian | any care to comment on wether 7.0 gig for / will be enough given that /home is 51.4 gig? and swap is 1.6? |
| 23:21.20 | UberNeiztichian | er, make that anyone |
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| 23:21.49 | doublehp | simonrvn: does not help about migrating my console ... |
| 23:22.01 | citral | UberNeiztichian: err, depends on your needs, but 7 Gigs for / is a LOT, and 1.6 for swap is too much |
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| 23:22.24 | simonrvn | console's a *wee* bit trickier, but not much. in some ways it's easier |
| 23:22.38 | simonrvn | "unicode_start" helps with that |
| 23:22.42 | citral | with screen by the way |
| 23:22.54 | simonrvn | man screen; /utf |
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| 23:23.40 | mh_le | takatumi, it seems that gdm dosen't repsect .xinitrc... |
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| 23:24.00 | simonrvn | mh_le: no, it doesn't |
| 23:24.07 | takatumi | mh_le: hexxeh suggested .xsession |
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| 23:24.17 | doublehp | simonrvn: "Won't set unicode mode: not a VT." |
| 23:24.18 | simonrvn | it only reads it if you start the debian session |
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| 23:25.48 | citral | obviously anylevel.com has been hax0red |
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| 23:26.19 | citral | with fingers :D |
| 23:26.31 | peterS | citral: you've got unicode fingers? cool |
| 23:26.39 | citral | yep :) |
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| 23:29.41 | citral | Mmmm I hesitate, if I download a TV sync of an old french film that has been played a billion times on TV, is that called piracy? |
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| 23:31.05 | hexxeh | technically. |
| 23:32.08 | nvz | I have a real general supertux question.. we have a save game on level 8, and we've beat levels 8, 9, 10, and possibly 11 many times, but it keeps sending us back to level 8. I dont understand how the saves.. but maybe it just stops saving after a certain point? |
| 23:32.14 | citral | but recording it direct from TV is not... that's a bit lame |
| 23:32.24 | KSM | pessoal como eu consigo abrir para editar o arquivo /etc/x11/xf86config-4 em modo texto? |
| 23:32.29 | WiFiTux | is there a default place where to place the drivers I download? |
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| 23:32.35 | nvz | KSM: we speak english here. |
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| 23:32.46 | takatumi | nvz: I am stuck in 4 or 5 |
| 23:32.58 | citral | WiFiTux: no, as you download as a normal user, put it in your home |
| 23:33.12 | nvz | takatumi: heh, well the kid loves the game, but she's been playing the same levels over and over, cause it stopped saving her progress |
| 23:33.19 | WiFiTux | citral, ok, how about maybe /usr/src? |
| 23:33.32 | caiqian | WiFiTux: you should put as README said |
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| 23:33.39 | citral | WiFiTux: when it's finished downloading, move it there yes |
| 23:33.41 | usuallyDumb | y do I keep getting disconnected here? |
| 23:33.59 | citral | !y |
| 23:33.59 | dpkg | methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
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| 23:34.13 | WiFiTux | citral, ok. thanks |
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| 23:37.06 | PattonPending | hey folks, having some issues with openoffice here |
| 23:37.51 | PattonPending | specifically when I run an openoffice app I get this: "/usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libucpchelp1.so: undefined symbol: _ZN2DbC1EP5DbEnvj" |
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| 23:40.22 | Wowzer | where is the user list kept in debian? |
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| 23:40.53 | dondelelcaro | Wowzer: typically, /etc/passwd |
| 23:41.01 | doublehp | it is 3 years I use ispell in en; today, I need to correct a text in french, but I dont want to change my default local; how can I ask ispell to use fr-FR dictionary just for today ? |
| 23:41.04 | Wowzer | k...thanks. |
| 23:41.06 | dondelelcaro | Wowzer: however, if you're using NIS or LDAP, all bets are off. |
| 23:41.29 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: LANG=fr_FR yadayadayada |
| 23:41.35 | mike_ | is it at all possible to install counter strike client onto debian? |
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| 23:41.52 | dondelelcaro | mike_: install, probably. Run, only if wine supports it. |
| 23:42.25 | Zetabyte | mike_: see www.transgamers.com for a commercial product which enhances wine to run more windows games |
| 23:42.34 | staniel | dondelelcaro: there is a linux server iirc |
| 23:42.52 | staniel | ah shit nm |
| 23:43.04 | cafuego | Who can tell me how 'diskless' adds a custom mount call for a per-host /etc to the init scripts? |
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| 23:44.17 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: it says than more than 90% are misspelled ... and never correct using accents ... I cant believe Debian SID can not stand accents |
| 23:44.22 | sime | is there evolution data server support in the gnome-panel of Sarge ? |
| 23:44.51 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: is it UTF8 or iso8859-1? |
| 23:45.07 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: you may need to specify LANG="fr_FR.UTF8" or whatever is appropriate |
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| 23:46.22 | silven | Does anyone know a way to kick my monitor out of sleep mode via remote shell? |
| 23:46.28 | Random832 | is there anywhere to find pre-built sid isos? [i don't trust my computer in its current state to run jigdo] |
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| 23:46.44 | Random832 | silven: why? |
| 23:46.44 | hexxeh | you can install the old counterstrike client for half-life with wine, but there's no master server left for that so you can't play online. the new Steam-based client only works with Cedega |
| 23:46.45 | bob2 | silven: man xset, look for dmps |
| 23:46.47 | hexxeh | bah, he quit |
| 23:46.56 | bob2 | Random832: net install using a sarge disk |
| 23:47.16 | gilles | therically, how can someone get connected to my server if it's behind a router ? |
| 23:47.18 | silven | Random832, have a seccond machine that dumps useful stuff to the console but after a while of no activity the monitor blanks. |
| 23:47.32 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: I dont really know ... file says ISO-8859 ; but I dont the charset of my terminal |
| 23:47.33 | bob2 | gilles: er, you mean "machine doing NAT", not a router |
| 23:47.43 | gilles | bob2: yes |
| 23:47.44 | Zetabyte | Interesting (slightly OT maybe) question - if i'm setting up software raid with a LVM, and 3 drives are seagate Barracuda 80GB 7200RPM drives (6 month old model) and 1 of them is a new segate barracuda 80GB 7200RPM drive (newer model) who's only difference i can see is NCQ scheduling, is that going to perform noticably less than 4 identical drives? I know it'd just be an opinion, but i thought i'd throw the question out there. |
| 23:47.56 | silven | bob2, computer isn't running x, not has xset. |
| 23:48.03 | bob2 | silven: setterm perhaps |
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| 23:49.45 | aps123 | so I have an old 333mhz system running debian should I upgrade to the 2.6 kernel or stick with the 2.4? |
| 23:50.04 | aps123 | could use anyones advice |
| 23:50.18 | bob2 | doesn\t matter |
| 23:50.22 | hexxeh | do you have a reason to change? |
| 23:50.24 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: hrm... you may need to specify a dictionary with the -d option to ispell... |
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| 23:50.42 | aps123 | not really no |
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| 23:51.10 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: setting DICTIONARY should cause the same thing to happen. (I would have expected it to obey LANG, but it doesn't seem to) |
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| 23:52.15 | aps123 | the 2.6 kernels are more modern and I assume more demanding (correct me if im wrong im new at this) |
| 23:52.18 | soukihei | what cmd do i put in .xinitrc to start gnome? |
| 23:52.21 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: $ ispell -d /var/lib/dictionaries-common/ispell/ifrench-gut marie_stafford_2004_01_18.txt |
| 23:52.21 | doublehp | Can't open /var/lib/dictionaries-common/ispell/ifrench-gut.hash |
| 23:52.48 | xogon | soukihei: gnome-session |
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| 23:52.53 | soukihei | thx |
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| 23:53.14 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: it should be /usr/lib/ispell/french; actually... |
| 23:53.19 | Zetabyte | I don't think they are nessesarily more "demanding" really - regular software like "gnome" or "kde" or "open office" experiences bloat in a very different way than the kernels do. you can always compile a custom kernel which includes only the parts you need. |
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| 23:54.01 | xogon | aps123: they are generally faster |
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| 23:54.45 | aps123 | any disadvantages? |
| 23:54.54 | Zetabyte | afaik the 2.6 kernel has many new features, improved software raid (if you do that) and a much improved scheduler, as well as other things. Many of them won't matter on an older processor and hardware like yours. I guess the general rule is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", but if you feel like a change, go for it. |
| 23:54.55 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: many many many thx :) that sounds good :) |
| 23:55.06 | thingfish | aps123: you're bored, aren't you. |
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| 23:55.45 | takatumi | asac: Linux gpops 2.6.10-19-01-05 #1 Wed Jan 19 20:14:24 AST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:56.03 | Zetabyte | aps123: disadvantages would be mostly if you use any proprietary, binary-only, or weird drivers from 3rd party vendors they might only work with 2.4 series kernels. |
| 23:56.06 | gilles | when using NAT and that i redirect my http server to 192.168.0.1, do I need to configure the ip dmz to 192.168.0.1 too to make it work ? |
| 23:56.11 | takatumi | aps123: ^^ |
| 23:56.12 | aps123 | na im just new to this and I was planning on upgrading my kernel anyways as my distros kernel is kinda old |
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| 23:56.25 | takatumi | aps123: which distro? |
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| 23:56.43 | doub | hi |
| 23:56.45 | gilles | because my redirection doesn't work |
| 23:56.52 | cliechti | gilles, no, use port forwarding |
| 23:57.00 | aps123 | Libranet 2.81 |
| 23:57.15 | asuffield | this is #debian, not #libranet |
| 23:57.18 | takatumi | aps123: sad. |
| 23:57.20 | thingfish | no! |
| 23:57.21 | aps123 | and the only 3rd party driver I use supposedly works with a cvs snapshot |
| 23:57.22 | gilles | cliechti: that's what i did, but it's not redirected |
| 23:57.39 | Frem | Hey, is there a way to install Debian on a computer with no cdrom drive without using a whole bunch of floppys? |
| 23:57.48 | gilles | cliechti: that's what i did, but it's not redirected |
| 23:57.52 | aps123 | libranet is based on debian all of its internal workings are essentially debian are they not |
| 23:57.56 | gilles | cliechti: (sorry) |
| 23:57.56 | distempr | Frem, 3 floppies if you use the woody installer. |
| 23:57.57 | Zetabyte | Frem: net install floppy images |
| 23:58.08 | cliechti | gilles, you forwarded port 80 and a webserver is running on your internal machine? |
| 23:58.11 | pjz | Frem: if you're very clever and you have a USB drive with the Right STuff on it you could do it |
| 23:58.20 | gilles | cliechti: yes, that's it |
| 23:58.20 | thingfish | aps123: it's not debian and to us that's about all that matters. |
| 23:58.28 | aps123 | its just got some nice newbiealicious stuff for me |
| 23:58.31 | asuffield | dpkg: knoppixsmite aps123 |
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| 23:58.51 | takatumi | aps123: when you are ready for the grand daddy, come back, |
| 23:59.00 | aps123 | will do |
| 23:59.12 | Frem | distempr: only three floppys? ok, i'll try that. I thought it was like 16 floppys. :-) |
| 23:59.14 | asuffield | you might as well say "its internal workings are essentially redhat" and go annoy redhat customer support. it's about as accurate and makes about as much sense |
| 23:59.19 | thingfish | aps123: debian-installer is so easy to use, there's no reason not to try the real thing. |
| 23:59.35 | thingfish | yes, like going to redhat for centos support. |
| 23:59.55 | cliechti | gilles, did you try to access is from the "outside"? |
