| 00:00.17 | Frem | thingfish: the debian installer might be easier for a eperianced person, but the libranet one is easier for a newbe. |
| 00:00.39 | Zetabyte | Frem: have you tried the new testing (sarge) installer? |
| 00:00.46 | aps123 | only been using linux for 3 weeks so I apologize for my ignorance |
| 00:00.54 | thingfish | aww, a cuddly little newbie |
| 00:00.54 | aps123 | indeed |
| 00:00.55 | nasty | anyone know where i can get the debian package for orinoco_usb kernel patch? |
| 00:00.55 | Zetabyte | it's about 1000 times better than the old woody one. |
| 00:01.00 | Frem | Zetabyte: yes, I have. I loved it. |
| 00:01.01 | takatumi | aps123: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:01.05 | takatumi | quick. |
| 00:01.08 | gilles | cliechti: i just can't when using my current dns, but it works when using 192.168.0.1 (which is the address of the redirection) |
| 00:01.37 | aps123 | no I have not tried the new sarge i may have to do that |
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| 00:01.39 | thingfish | aps123: you just have to understand, everybody who's running either mepis or knoppix or whatever debian-based distro comes here expecting support, when they should be going to their distro's respective irc channel. |
| 00:01.39 | Frem | Zetabyte: but even the sarge installer can't automaticly compile and install the nvidia drivers automaticly. ;-) |
| 00:01.46 | michal_ | how do you get tcpdump tp ignore icmp pings? |
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| 00:01.47 | Zetabyte | i was fortunate enough to use the sarge installer first - then for a friend i was trying to talk them through woody, and i was like "wtf are you talking about...???' and i took a look and said "oh...no..." |
| 00:01.58 | aps123 | gotcha I will get out of your way |
| 00:02.01 | pjz | so is testing stable enough for production use? |
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| 00:02.12 | pjz | I've got a 'stable' system that I'm thinking about upgrading |
| 00:02.14 | dondelelcaro | pjz: in real production, you want to use stable. |
| 00:02.22 | Frem | yeah, the woody installer almost sceared me away from debian for good. |
| 00:02.25 | dondelelcaro | pjz: wait until testing is released, then upgrade. |
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| 00:02.34 | stew | pjz: it might be stable enough but it won't get security fixes just yet |
| 00:02.37 | thingfish | I would imagine testing to be plenty stable for a production environment. |
| 00:02.39 | Zetabyte | Frem: that's not too bad, you just need a lil hand-holding. It took me a lil bit to figure out how to get the nvidia drivers going my first time too |
| 00:02.43 | michal_ | it doesn't accept proto icmp |
| 00:03.28 | bob2 | michal_: man tcpdump, tcpdump ! ip proto icmp |
| 00:03.44 | Frem | Zetabyte: It gets better after you've played with an already working debina system for a while. :-) |
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| 00:03.59 | Zetabyte | Frem: if you plan to run a vanilla kernel, i think you can DL an already-compiled version, but frankly it's easiest to just download the kernel source and build your own. With an appropriate guide, building a custom kernel the debian way (TM) is easy. |
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| 00:04.02 | pjz | dondelelcaro: 'wait until testing'.. is what I've been doing for way too long now |
| 00:04.03 | distempr | Using a usb mouse, seems like something's funky in x, every once in a while it starts jittering all over the screen, it only stops when I disconnect it and re-connect it. Would this be caused b/c of the wrong protocol? There's times where it works for days. |
| 00:04.16 | bob2 | distempr: are you using gpm? |
| 00:04.19 | pjz | stew: ah, good point. How long does it take for security fixes to make it into the testing tree? |
| 00:04.25 | daveo | how can I find out which package xxd is part of? |
| 00:04.27 | dondelelcaro | pjz: hey, you're running in production. What do you care what version you're running? |
| 00:04.33 | takatumi | pjz: if you're feeling twitchy, go for it :) |
| 00:04.38 | pjz | daveo: dpkg -S xxd |
| 00:04.40 | Frem | Zetabyte: I'm just trying to get linux running at a decent speed on this 100MHz box, and slackware 10 ain't cutting it. |
| 00:04.52 | MrKeuner | What parameters should I pass to lilo while booting a system on harddrive(hda6) using an install cd? I lost grub. |
| 00:04.53 | daveo | pjz: thanks |
| 00:04.55 | michal_ | bob2: hmm.. ok.. but my version of tcpdump doesn't accept proto icmp |
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| 00:05.15 | pjz | taka: well, I'm not really twitchy, I just want software on my server that's somewhat up to date |
| 00:05.23 | Zetabyte | Frem: if it was me, on that old a machine, i'd compile a custom kernel and install just base system + bare bones what i needed. |
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| 00:05.45 | bob2 | michal_: hrm, I can't figure out the syntax either |
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| 00:06.07 | daveo | pjz: I'm getting a message *xxd* not found |
| 00:06.11 | takatumi | pjz: if it's mission critical and if everything works, you should probably stay with stable. |
| 00:06.21 | distempr | bob2: yep. |
| 00:06.22 | HotFalafel | what do I change to get my keyboard working properly ? |
| 00:06.32 | HotFalafel | It's not even proper in CLI |
| 00:06.33 | dondelelcaro | daveo: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:06.35 | takatumi | daveo: try apt-file |
| 00:06.35 | Frem | Zetabyte: I intend to. I didn't think there would be this few packages for slack. all my favorite mini-apps from debian arent here! |
| 00:06.38 | HotFalafel | it's a UK kb |
| 00:06.43 | dondelelcaro | daveo: dpkg -S only works on files in packages that you've actually got installed. |
| 00:06.45 | distempr | bob2: should I remove it? |
| 00:06.55 | bob2 | distempr: it could be the problem...have you read the README.Debian about the repeat protocol? |
| 00:06.58 | dondelelcaro | !+find xxd |
| 00:07.06 | daveo | dondelelcaro: I thought that might be the case |
| 00:07.07 | dpkg | xxdiff: (a graphical file and directories comparison and merge tool), section text, is optional. Version: 1:3.0.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 362 kB, Installed size: 1016 kB |
| 00:07.17 | distempr | bob2: no I haven't, is it in /usr/share/doc somewhere? Haven't seen it. |
| 00:07.19 | dondelelcaro | daveo: is this a binary or something? |
| 00:07.21 | bob2 | distempr: right |
| 00:07.26 | pjz | daveo: what's the full path? |
| 00:07.31 | distempr | bob2: oh you mean gpm.. gotcha. |
| 00:07.38 | Frem | night everyone! |
| 00:07.49 | dondelelcaro | !+find xxd$ |
| 00:07.49 | michal_ | bob2: ahh!! icmp works.. just by itself |
| 00:07.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xxd' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/xxd) in editors/vim. |
| 00:07.59 | bob2 | michal_: ah |
| 00:08.01 | daveo | dondelelcaro: hexdump |
| 00:08.11 | dondelelcaro | daveo: well, it's actually in vim. |
| 00:08.13 | distempr | bob2: there's two mice connected via usb, one never jitters, the other produces problems here and there, I assume that doesn't change your recommendation to read the README.Debian for gpm? |
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| 00:08.35 | bob2 | distempr: well, I'm semi-clutching at straws, but using the "wrong" repeat protocol can do werid things to X |
| 00:08.46 | dondelelcaro | daveo: and if you want hexdumps, that's just hexdump. hexdump -C is usually what you're looking for. |
| 00:08.51 | takatumi | what does the $ do ^^? |
| 00:08.57 | distempr | bob2: gotcha, I'll go read those docs. |
| 00:09.01 | distempr | bob2: thanks! |
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| 00:09.10 | bob2 | distempr: you're welcome, hope it helps |
| 00:09.12 | daveo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:09.12 | citral | dondelelcaro: I was surfing on your site, and wanted to follow the link anylevel.com, but it redirects to how-to-find-porn.com :-/ |
| 00:09.15 | ik-G4 | alo |
| 00:09.23 | ik-G4 | Debian : iptables - missing initialisation |
| 00:09.23 | dondelelcaro | citral: heh. Yeah, that company has gone away |
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| 00:09.47 | citral | dondelelcaro: hah, ok, I thought they were hax0red :) |
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| 00:10.10 | distempr | bob2: ;) me too. |
| 00:10.18 | christor | hello, I m seearching a player streaming which i can use mms url and using a proxy? |
| 00:10.21 | ik-G4 | http://neworder.box.sk/explread.php?newsid=12732 |
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| 00:13.09 | gilles | I can get connected to my http server with the address 192.168.0.1 in internal, but in external, i can't get connected to it with my dns address (given by the dhcp) despite that i have redirected this dns (via NAT config) to 192.168.0.1, what's could be wrong in my config ? |
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| 00:13.47 | citral | gilles: you forget port forwarding maybe? |
| 00:14.01 | gilles | citral: i gave port 80 |
| 00:14.02 | cliechti | gilles, is that the address your currently here? |
| 00:14.03 | idnar | xxd is in vim? wtf? |
| 00:14.15 | gilles | cliechti: yes |
| 00:14.16 | idnar | weird |
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| 00:14.56 | xogon | gilles: it sounds like you have more fundamental networking issues going on. why not solve the underlying network issues first and worry about the httpd server later? |
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| 00:15.42 | cliechti | gilles, there is an apache running when i look... |
| 00:15.47 | gilles | xogon: what do you mean by "more fundamental networking issues going on" ? |
| 00:16.09 | gilles | cliechti: yes, i use apache2 as a server |
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| 00:16.28 | xogon | gilles: if you do not know how to correctly configure port forwarding and nat why throw the httpd server into the mix? |
| 00:17.13 | cliechti | gilles, so maybe it works ;-) (port forwading only works for machines on the WAN side of your NAT device, not for a machine on the inside) |
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| 00:17.51 | gilles | xogon: because i don't know any other way to check if my port forwarding works well or not |
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| 00:18.49 | gilles | so, how to check if the port forwarding works ? |
| 00:19.20 | bob2 | try connecting to it from outside your network |
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| 00:19.26 | cliechti | gilles, get at a box on the outside and connect back. e.g. if you have an ssh account somewhere |
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| 00:19.54 | gilles | and by the way, cliechti, how could you know that an apache server is running on my machine, which command did you use ? |
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| 00:20.54 | xogon | gilles: you could port forward ALL to whatever host |
| 00:21.01 | cliechti | gilles, i used "nc <address> 80" then "get" ctrl+j, which dumps what your server says into the console |
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| 00:21.55 | xogon | gilles: run tcpdump on the forwarded box and watch for packets coming in |
| 00:21.58 | Eagle101 | Help. Everytime i try to run an app for the terminal, or if i try to start a new session, i always get this error message "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key (nautilus:7690): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" please help... |
| 00:22.01 | soukihei | does anyone know where i can get the tarball for engage from the enlightenment group? i don't see anything on their site |
| 00:22.10 | bob2 | Eagle101: you mean when you try to run it as root? |
| 00:22.14 | bob2 | soukihei: #e |
| 00:22.23 | soukihei | thx |
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| 00:22.28 | gilles | cliechti: i have a ssh server, but when i run "ssh gilles@82.235.26.179", it just find nothing |
| 00:22.30 | xogon | gilles: this way even if your apache config is wrong you can see the packets coming in |
| 00:22.39 | Eagle101 | bob2: yup, root or just regular user... |
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| 00:23.02 | bob2 | Eagle101: er, are you sure it happens when you just launch "xterm" and run "xfontsel"? |
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| 00:23.28 | cliechti | gilles, you mean you have port forwared an ssh on the same setup as http? do you run that command on a machine that is inside or outside? |
| 00:23.29 | Eagle101 | bob2: it happens only when i want to run that app as root from the terminal |
| 00:23.37 | bob2 | Eagle101: yes, I know |
| 00:23.47 | bob2 | Eagle101: use sudo, not su |
| 00:23.52 | bob2 | Eagle101: if you insist on su, 'su -m'. |
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| 00:24.55 | Eagle101 | bob2: yes when i use su -m it works....but whats the difference between su -m and sudo |
| 00:24.55 | bob2 | Eagle101: sudo doesn't require the root password |
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| 00:25.06 | Eagle101 | bob2: well how do i use sudo then...i type sudo and says command not found |
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| 00:25.13 | bob2 | shockingly |
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| 00:25.18 | bob2 | it's almost like you need to install it |
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| 00:25.42 | Phated | I can feel the pain all the way from here, bob2. |
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| 00:25.56 | bob2 | Eagle101: just use su -m |
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| 00:26.20 | bob2 | without -m it drops the XAUTHORITY environment vairable, which X uses to decide if you're worthy to connect to the display or not |
| 00:26.25 | Eagle101 | bob2: ok, but my comp. isnt messed up or anything right, since its giving me that error..? |
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| 00:26.40 | bob2 | correct |
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| 00:27.15 | Eagle101 | bob2: ok thanks alot, i have last question to ask if anyone can help me then i am clear ;) |
| 00:27.26 | doublehp | convert from imagemagick can export to bmp, but it generates 8bpp; how can I get 24bpp ? -depth option do NOT work ... ( any CLI app accepted ) |
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| 00:28.06 | gilles | xogon: when running tcpdump, many lines are continually displayed, but i don't understand a lot about their meaning |
| 00:28.28 | orfeu | i can't login like root in gdm !? ,,he tell i can from that screen'' !? how i config gdm to log in at root !? |
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| 00:28.43 | caphuso | orfeu: you don't want to |
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| 00:29.31 | caphuso | and if you actually do want, then because you know exactly what you are doing and should be able to get gdm to log in any user you want without needing support |
| 00:29.31 | orfeu | caphuso why ? |
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| 00:29.41 | caphuso | orfeu: because it's a stupid idea |
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| 00:29.57 | caphuso | why enable something you are not going to use anyways? |
| 00:30.01 | larrikin | orfeu: use another user and then use su |
| 00:30.12 | gilles | xogon: an example: 01:29:46.228866 IP unknown.sagonet.net.ircd > 192.168.0.1.32827: P 8225:8273(48) ack 64 win 3324 <nop,nop,timestamp 2043102955 2821175> |
| 00:30.12 | gilles | 01:29:46.228895 IP 192.168.0.1.32827 > unknown.sagonet.net.ircd: . ack 8273 win 18980 <nop,nop,timestamp 2822417 2043102955> |
| 00:30.18 | skyisblue | orfeu: there is option in gdm, do it only when you are offline |
| 00:30.36 | |rufius| | orfeu: He who plays in root eventually kill tree. |
| 00:30.41 | caphuso | being on- and offline have about damn near nothing to do with it |
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| 00:31.13 | orfeu | oky ! why do you prefere a normal user and not root ??? |
| 00:31.14 | gilles | cliechti: yes |
| 00:31.18 | orfeu | :) |
| 00:31.36 | caphuso | !tell orfeu about unix lessons |
| 00:31.43 | gilles | cliechti: (sorry for answering a little bit late) |
| 00:32.05 | orfeu | if it is a home computer .... !? it is not ... recomandet to use root ??? :) |
| 00:32.15 | mvhurja | is there deb packet for Java 2 Standard Edition 1.4.x or newer |
| 00:32.17 | skyisblue | orfeu: in root, some apps can gain root previlege |
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| 00:32.27 | caphuso | oh god |
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| 00:32.38 | interalia | orfeu: it's never recommended to use root unless you are doing system administration tasks. |
| 00:32.39 | caphuso | in root, *all* apps have root priviledges |
| 00:33.00 | caphuso | err, s/dg/g/ |
| 00:33.20 | orfeu | hmm good pointing !!!! SUID and SGID i have read about this ! :D |
| 00:33.32 | caphuso | !tell orfeu -about ep |
| 00:33.33 | interalia | orfeu: it's like carrying a chainsaw around and using it to do everything: open doors, open packets of chips, cut down trees... |
| 00:33.34 | orfeu | thanks you ! for the light ... in my head :) |
| 00:33.46 | cliechti | gilles, it seems to connect but just hangs. (your sshd does not send its welcome message) did you forward 22 to the correct target port? did you make entries to /etc/hosts.allow/deny? |
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| 00:34.37 | gilles | cliechti: i haven't forwarded the port 22, only the port 80 |
| 00:34.58 | cliechti | gilles, oh i tough you want to ssh in from the outside... |
| 00:35.06 | gilles | cliechti: i understand why ssh doesn't work okay |
| 00:35.37 | christor | please I search a streaming player which use proxy for the mms url |
| 00:35.37 | gilles | cliechti: sorry, actually, i first wanted to redirect my http port |
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| 00:36.16 | enum | yo.. is there a way for me to tell apt to ignore X completley? Like it never existed |
| 00:36.24 | gilles | cliechti: but it doesn't work when i try to get connected to it via my current (here) dns address |
| 00:36.38 | enum | apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install xorg on my server.. and I just wont have it |
| 00:36.53 | caphuso | hah |
| 00:36.55 | cliechti | gilles, but from what machine do you try to connect to your dns address? from one in your LAN? |
| 00:37.04 | streuner_ | enum: what distro do you use? |
| 00:37.16 | enum | debian sarge |
| 00:37.20 | Phated | No way. |
| 00:37.20 | RichiH | enum: you can force depends, but that is likely to break stuff. also, x.org is not in debain |
| 00:37.22 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:37.39 | enum | hmm must be in the list I added to sources.list |
| 00:37.47 | caphuso | ... |
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| 00:38.21 | enum | so there is NO way to tell apt to ignore certain package sets? |
| 00:38.25 | Eagle101 | Help. Everytime i try to run an app for the terminal, or if i try to start a new session, i always get this error message "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key (nautilus:7690): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" please help...here is the error message http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/17Lf9o27.html |
| 00:38.37 | Eagle101 | I take that backk |
| 00:38.40 | enum | Eagle101, stop running it as root ;) |
| 00:38.42 | caphuso | enum: remove whatever fucked up repository you added to your sources.list |
| 00:38.57 | gilles | cliechti: from the machine i'm using now, which is also the http server's machine |
| 00:39.00 | Eagle101 | enum: yea yea i resolved that...i meant to ask something else |
| 00:39.11 | takatumi | nvz: remember you asking about firefox, try typing about:config in the address bar, and toggle as required. |
| 00:39.34 | enum | caphuso, that is not a permanent solution.. like earlier I tried to install postgresql, and it forced me to install exim4 |
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| 00:39.44 | caphuso | enum: no, it didn't |
| 00:39.52 | enum | it did not give me a choicer |
| 00:39.58 | caphuso | yes, it did |
| 00:40.01 | cliechti | gilles, but that's a bad test. you want to test connections from the _outside_, not from any machine on your LAN. |
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| 00:40.05 | enum | yeah.. to install all or nothing |
| 00:40.15 | nvz | takatumi: ok |
| 00:40.16 | enum | I couldnt just get postgresql by itself |
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| 00:40.45 | gilles | cliechti: you can test it from where you are with my current dns |
| 00:40.50 | nvz | takatumi: nice, thanks |
| 00:41.00 | caphuso | enum: that means you have already some broken dependancies in your system |
| 00:41.06 | enum | look.. I have heard that apt wa sbadass from lots of people.. but to me using it for the first few tims it seems a bit incomplete as far as features are concerned |
| 00:41.22 | Eagle101 | help. when i try to run a new session under debian, it wont let me and it gives me an error...also time to time, when i try to open some apps, nothing happen and they open after 30 min. and so on, can these two problems be releated or not??? Heres the error when i try to run a create a new session http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/17Lf9o27.html |
| 00:41.26 | Phated | You're the one who added non-official sources, man. |
| 00:41.28 | caphuso | e.g. missing mail-transport-agent virtual package |
| 00:41.28 | enum | in my opinion I should be able to say "Dont use these at all" and it shouldnt |
| 00:41.33 | cliechti | gilles, i did, and i delcare it as working for your httpd ;-) |
| 00:42.03 | enum | caphuso, why sahould I have a MTA on a db server? |
| 00:42.10 | caphuso | enum: cron error messages |
| 00:42.16 | gilles | cliechti: thanks, so you do you get ? a msg asking for a login and password ? |
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| 00:42.32 | gilles | cliechti: s/you/what |
| 00:42.46 | cliechti | gilles, yes i do |
| 00:43.00 | enum | okay, why should I have to have an MTA on anything except an MTA server? |
| 00:43.18 | gilles | cliechti: it's amazing... |
| 00:43.18 | caphuso | enum: cron error messages |
| 00:43.19 | deadcat | enum: you can remove it |
| 00:43.40 | chealer | Eagle101: the log ends there? I don't even see an error |
| 00:43.42 | MrKeuner | What parameters should I pass to lilo while booting a system on harddrive(hda6) using an install cd? I lost grub. |
| 00:43.43 | gilles | cliechti: did you use firefox or whatever browser to get it ? |
| 00:43.43 | enum | deadcat, it removed postgresql when I told it to only remove exim4 |
| 00:44.07 | deadcat | enum: because postgresql requires it. incase of error, email root |
| 00:44.11 | takatumi | nvz: try http://thelinuxbox.org/archive.php?misc=search&subaction=showfull&id=1104676550&archive=&cnshow=news&ucat=3&start_from=& as well. ;) |
| 00:44.12 | Eagle101 | chealer: well the log ends there, look in the middle and you should see the errors |
| 00:44.29 | enum | deadcat, my db server runs mysql, and postgresql without an MTA.. (not debian) |
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| 00:44.38 | cliechti | gilles, this time, yes. (also, earier nc confirmed that it works) |
| 00:44.41 | mvhurja | do anyone know where is in debian stable apache /usr/local/apache/htdocs/ |
| 00:44.45 | giupy_ | anyone using it? http://www.mythtv.org/ |
| 00:44.55 | deadcat | enum: well thats why you dont get errors emailed to you. |
| 00:44.56 | caphuso | mvhurja: /usr/share/doc/apache* |
| 00:45.05 | mvhurja | webroot path of apache |
| 00:45.12 | cliechti | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.24 | mvhurja | ok thanks |
| 00:45.33 | chealer | Eagle101: can you give a clue what's the errors? |
| 00:45.38 | orfeu | who can tell me a pdf good pdf viewer !? |
| 00:45.41 | doublehp | convert from imagemagick can export to bmp, but it generates 8bpp; how can I get 24bpp ? -depth option do NOT work ... ( any CLI app accepted ) |
| 00:45.42 | caphuso | orfeu: xpdf |
| 00:45.51 | enum | *sigh*.. okay.. logical enough.. but.. What if I didn't want it.. How come I cannot tell apt-get to not install certain packages? |
| 00:45.59 | streuner_ | orfeu: apt-cache search pdf viewer? |
| 00:46.04 | enum | that is my only question |
| 00:46.06 | gilles | cliechti: so, what address did you give to the browser to get it ? |
| 00:46.14 | ireverentReveren | ok, i am new to debian, and i have an nvidia card on a newly installed debian install.. i downloaded the current kernel source and unpacked it... I am getting an error when i run the nvidia driver installer that it cant find the correct headers... what do i need to do to fix this? |
| 00:46.24 | caphuso | enum: you can do so by not installing packages that depend on the package you don't want to use... |
| 00:46.24 | Eagle101 | chealer: my display drivers, i need to configure X |
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| 00:46.43 | steve | hi all |
| 00:46.47 | steve | which file in /proc/<pid> do I need to look at to find the process's CPU consumption? |
| 00:46.47 | cliechti | gilles, lab75-3-82-235-26-179.fbx.proxad.net ,the address xchat displays for you |
| 00:46.47 | thingfish | ireverentReveren: install the headers. they're available separately. |
| 00:46.57 | chealer | Eagle101: so what does the errors say? |
| 00:47.03 | ireverentReveren | thingfish ty |
| 00:47.08 | enum | caphuso, that not logical.. I have these packages on other server without those dependancies.. Is it just a debian thing? because if so I need to get far far far away from debian |
| 00:47.12 | thingfish | np |
| 00:47.17 | black-dog | why would dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 not be writing to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 00:47.32 | enum | why force a dependancy, when it really is'nt a dependancy? |
| 00:47.33 | deadcat | enum: bye |
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| 00:47.42 | caphuso | enum: both #slackare and #gentoo are just a few key presses away. HAND. now go |
| 00:47.44 | Eagle101 | chealer: RADEON (my display) no matching devices found.... |
| 00:47.46 | doublehp | enum: you should not insult Debian in here ... |
| 00:47.47 | gilles | cliechti: so, why is it that i can't get connected to it when i give this same address to firefox ? |
| 00:47.59 | enum | so sad.. a good challenging question and you just flip out |
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| 00:48.07 | black-dog | i move all old XF86Config s to another name, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 still finds the previous settings somehow |
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| 00:48.13 | enum | doublehp, Im not insulting debian |
| 00:48.16 | deadcat | enum: you said you want to get away. |
| 00:48.24 | doublehp | enum: dependencies have been created to make installation easy; if you refuse to install the deps, the programm you want will never work. |
| 00:48.34 | doublehp | enum: you were about to say something nasty :) |
| 00:48.39 | enum | Im questioning its logic |
| 00:48.39 | caphuso | enum: that's not a challenging question. that's a stupid cluebie refusing to learn the debian way. we've got dozens of your kind, and your kind gets boring really fast |
| 00:49.04 | doublehp | enum: and I just answered ;) |
| 00:49.07 | takatumi | black-dog: probaby /etc/X11/XF86Config-4~ |
| 00:49.11 | steve | enum: what is there to question? dependencies stop things fucking up |
| 00:49.16 | enum | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.20 | chealer | Eagle101: ok, I don't know if it's critical |
| 00:49.20 | jetscreamer | dependencies suck though. look at gnome and kde metapackages. see also x-window-system. |
| 00:49.23 | enum | taking the contro lfrom the user? |
| 00:49.26 | caphuso | enum: stop it. |
| 00:49.27 | wswanson | after a recent sarge installation without X, I decided to go ahead and use gnome w/ gdm... but it looks like twm is the window manager... how to get to whatever the default wm that sarge installer would have put on? |
| 00:49.35 | enum | its true.. you just verified it.. |
| 00:49.35 | steve | enum: you can always override dependencies |
| 00:49.40 | enum | I came here with good intent |
| 00:49.46 | jetscreamer | wswanson, dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 00:49.56 | cliechti | gilles, because your on the *inside*. youre not forwarding. if you enter that address in the internal machine, the connection will be made on your lan and will not magicaly go out to the internet and come back and you probably configured port fwd only for external connections |
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| 00:50.20 | black-dog | takatumi all i have is XF86Config~ |
| 00:50.27 | enum | caphuso, exim4 is NOT a dependancy of postgresql.. what if I wanted to use qmail?? do I have to have both? Am I screwed? This is sick |
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| 00:50.41 | interalia | enum: dependencies are there to be followed, that's why we have them. if a particular dependency really isn't one, then you can file a bug against the package. |
| 00:50.48 | caphuso | enum: no. then you'd install qmail _instead_ of exim4 and postgresql would be happy |
| 00:50.57 | black-dog | takatumi is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 the way i want to config X |
| 00:51.06 | takatumi | black-dog: yes. |
| 00:51.14 | enum | caphuso, postgresql is happy sitting on a uml without an mta any where near it |
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| 00:51.25 | caphuso | enum: not a debian packaged postgresql |
| 00:51.28 | black-dog | takatumi should it not be creating a new -4 file if none exists? |
| 00:51.31 | enum | than package better |
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| 00:51.37 | wswanson | jetscreamer: no, that just reset to default to gdm. gdm is running. I'm looking to get the rest of the window management panels up -- and not twm. |
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| 00:51.48 | caphuso | fucking cluebies |
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| 00:52.03 | gilles | cliechti: okay, i begin to understand, that's why i can test it from the internal, can i configure the fwd for internal too ? |
| 00:52.03 | interalia | enum: if you don' |
| 00:52.07 | Empty | Hey all... What modules do I need to use a SmartRaid V raid? |
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| 00:52.12 | jetscreamer | wswanson, what exactly is it that you are needing to do then... |
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| 00:52.25 | takatumi | black-dog: it should. |
| 00:52.27 | interalia | if you don't understand or want package dependencies, why use a distro that has them? |
| 00:52.59 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. It's not like it's that hard to install a mail-transport-agent. install nullmailer or ssmtp or postfix or exim4 or sendmail or... apt-cache search mail-transport-agent; for the whole list. |
| 00:53.02 | newtodeb | evening. Anyone know why samba does not shut down when issueing a stop of the service in init.d? |
| 00:53.07 | chealer | interalia: he was kicked |
| 00:53.08 | skyisblue | enum: FYI, postgresql 8.0 released, try to compile if you are brave enough. ;) |
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| 00:53.19 | cliechti | gilles, sure you can setup that, but then you will test the new setting and not the port forwaring from the outside, which means such a test will not give any results that are realy helpful... |
| 00:53.26 | dondelelcaro | chealer: just quieted, actually... |
| 00:53.28 | jetscreamer | wswanson, maybe you need to apt-get install x-window-system gnome first. not sure where you are at though. |
| 00:53.30 | wswanson | jetscreamer: I have gdm working fine. I want the window manager (twm, fvwm, blackice, whatever) back to the default sarge picks during an installation for gnome -- including the panels, et cet. but have doing a no-X desktop install first, it seems to be defaulting to twm. |
| 00:53.30 | doublehp | enum: you should try LFS ... then you understand why deps have been created |
| 00:53.32 | chealer | yeah ok |
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| 00:53.46 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome then wswanson |
| 00:54.09 | jetscreamer | wswanson, see also rm -R ~/.gnome |
| 00:54.15 | jetscreamer | * |
| 00:54.18 | carstenh | hi, in which folder does dhcpd look for the boot file I specified with the filename statement in dhcpd.conf? |
| 00:54.22 | jetscreamer | and others |
| 00:54.24 | wswanson | gnome is already installed, as is x-window-system.... will try rm'ing .gnome and see what happens |
| 00:54.25 | cire | what is the regular expression for a string which contains a certain substring (p.e. "111") only 1 times? |
| 00:54.26 | pipeline | wswanson: When you log in through gdm, click and drag on the "session" item |
| 00:54.32 | cire | exactly 1 times |
| 00:54.41 | jetscreamer | ah... |
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| 00:54.54 | chealer | wswanson: you should have a look on tasksel |
| 00:54.54 | jetscreamer | or what pipeline said wswanson |
| 00:54.58 | wswanson | pipeline: I am already using the gnome session -- but still for some reason it is defaulting to twm (mixed with gnome)... |
| 00:55.02 | gilles | cliechti: so, do i have a way, from internal, to make sure that people can access to the website ? |
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| 00:55.09 | chealer | if you realize you did not the good choices at install |
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| 00:55.20 | dondelelcaro | cire: faster to match them all, and then reject strings which match more than once. |
| 00:55.30 | pipeline | wswanson: Ahah. That is weird. Delete ~/.gnome-session, if it exists, and then delete ~/.gnome2 |
| 00:55.36 | newtodeb | anyone concerning not able to shutdown samba? |
| 00:55.56 | cire | dondelelcaro: faster, but this is not was university wants to know from me ;) |
| 00:56.13 | cliechti | gilles, no. you have to make the test from an external machine. (maybe you have a friend where you can log in with ssh and connect back to you) |
| 00:56.20 | wswanson | jetscreamer and pipeline: doh -- just realized that I had not installed all of gnome... so it was half-working. makes sense, my bad. doing well now.. thx |
| 00:56.30 | gilles | cliechti: also, i don't have the nc command, what package do i need to have it ? |
| 00:56.30 | caphuso | cire: university also doesn't want you to let other people do your homework |
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| 00:56.37 | cliechti | gilles, netcat |
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| 00:56.57 | jetscreamer | 'all of gnome' includes a bunch of crap a lot of ppl won't use or need |
| 00:57.04 | jetscreamer | i have no pda |
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| 00:57.28 | cire | caphuso: to be fair, I told you that it was university who askes me. I tried for nearly an hour, but cannot find a solution. |
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| 00:57.35 | FieldySnuts | @fuck gnome |
| 00:57.37 | gilles | cliechti: that's an excellent idea, thanks a lot for all your help, and sorry for bothering you so much |
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| 00:58.25 | caiqian | do linda have this bug? it always complain of Package name doesn't contain one of the SONAMEs. |
| 00:58.26 | caiqian | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.51 | d0t | whats up everyone!! Quick question for ya - |
| 00:59.09 | caiqian | I named libbar3, and its name is libbar.so.3.0.0 |
| 00:59.27 | d0t | Im using an NVidia 6800GT 256 Mb, getting almost 12000 fps on glxgears, using the standard AGPGart |
| 00:59.28 | HotFalafel | abrotman, I made it |
| 00:59.42 | d0t | is it even necessary to install NvAgp's module instead? |
| 00:59.43 | doublehp | convert from imagemagick can export to bmp, but it generates 8bpp; how can I get 24bpp ? -depth option do NOT work ... ( any CLI app accepted ) |
| 00:59.51 | HotFalafel | abrotman, I successfuly booted my linux in a USB HDD |
| 00:59.59 | d0t | My MB chipset is the last one supported by it, the i875P |
| 01:00.21 | d0t | Im wondering if its even worth the time to recompile the kernel, just for nvagp... |
| 01:00.33 | jetscreamer | you don't |
| 01:00.50 | cliechti | doublehp, netpbm tools tried? |
| 01:00.56 | d0t | but if there is ANY considerable speed increase, I will. |
| 01:01.04 | jetscreamer | the nvidia binary supplies nvagp, but you would need to not have agpgart statically compiled in |
| 01:01.09 | deadcat | d0t: compile |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | HotFalafel: did you make a HOWTO? |
| 01:01.24 | d0t | exactly, which is what im debating, if its necessary |
| 01:01.26 | HotFalafel | abrotman, maybe I will |
| 01:01.33 | deadcat | d0t: compile |
| 01:01.34 | dondelelcaro | cire: so invert the regex. |
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| 01:01.36 | HotFalafel | abrotman, the trick is very simple ;) |
| 01:01.38 | jetscreamer | i use agpgart w/nvidia binary |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | HotFalafel: it would be nice of you .. and post it to debianhelp.org if you can |
| 01:01.39 | d0t | did you have a major speed increase, afterwards, deadcat?? |
| 01:01.40 | d0t | :D |
| 01:01.48 | HotFalafel | abrotman, okay |
| 01:01.49 | deadcat | d0t: fuck ya |
| 01:01.54 | d0t | cool, same here, its working great |
| 01:01.56 | d0t | LOL |
| 01:01.58 | HotFalafel | abrotman, I still need some help tho |
| 01:01.59 | abrotman | HotFalafel: and on a site if you can .. |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | HotFalafel: oh ok ... |
| 01:02.02 | d0t | well that settles that then!! :) |
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| 01:02.03 | dondelelcaro | cire: rrr... nevermind... that probably won't work. |
| 01:02.06 | d0t | Im on it! |
| 01:02.07 | d0t | hehe |
| 01:02.12 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:02.15 | HotFalafel | abrotman, last time this linux was on my desktop |
| 01:02.23 | HotFalafel | abrotman, now I need some tweaking |
| 01:02.28 | d0t | just wondering, what kind of card do you have DC? |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | !fix HotFalafel |
| 01:02.34 | HotFalafel | because it? currently on a laptop |
| 01:02.39 | d0t | l8r jetscreamer, I think we offended him |
| 01:02.42 | deadcat | d0t: 5200fx |
| 01:02.43 | d0t | LOL |
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| 01:03.01 | abrotman | HotFalafel: huh? |
| 01:03.05 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 01:03.05 | dpkg | somebody said tw@ was ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
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| 01:03.15 | d0t | nice nice. this 6800gt is insane, everything maxes out. I have yet to find its limits. |
| 01:03.19 | HotFalafel | abrotman, does xorg support 1280x800 res ? |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | HotFalafel: xorg isn't in debian |
| 01:03.32 | HotFalafel | coz it? kinda wide screened now |
| 01:03.33 | abrotman | HotFalafel: i think xfree does .. not sure |
| 01:03.34 | HotFalafel | ahh ok |
| 01:03.34 | resiak | !xorg |
| 01:03.34 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 01:04.11 | HotFalafel | what do I do to change the keyboard mapping ? |
| 01:04.18 | HotFalafel | it? not correct even in CLI |
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| 01:04.42 | HotFalafel | I am using a UK keyboard right now |
| 01:05.01 | HotFalafel | the setting is for US kb, but I dont know where to change it |
| 01:05.01 | resiak | HotFalafel: To configure it for X... |
| 01:05.03 | resiak | !drxx |
| 01:05.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:05.08 | HotFalafel | no not x |
| 01:05.09 | resiak | ^^ |
| 01:05.14 | HotFalafel | in CLI |
| 01:05.16 | HotFalafel | console |
| 01:05.18 | d0t | debian kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp has AGPGart statically compiled, correct? |
| 01:05.21 | d0t | how would one check? |
| 01:05.37 | d0t | (without a .config file in the kernel source directory, since I havent actually compiled it yet) |
| 01:05.37 | cliechti | d00f, look at the config file in /boot |
| 01:05.45 | deadcat | d0t: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 01:05.46 | d0t | ahh |
| 01:05.49 | joft | hi, would anyone know to get working drivers & software for a Sanyo digital camera? It came with a "Sanyo TWAIN" CD that only works in windows |
| 01:06.04 | d0t | thanks deadcat |
| 01:06.07 | deadcat | joft: try gphotos2 |
| 01:06.11 | cliechti | d00f, sorry wrong nick |
| 01:06.14 | Guerin | joft: see if ti's supported by gphoto2 |
| 01:06.16 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:06.18 | Guerin | what he said |
| 01:06.25 | carstenh | HotFalafel: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 01:06.33 | HotFalafel | ahh |
| 01:06.37 | d0t | LOL, quite alright ;-) |
| 01:06.45 | resiak | !drcd is dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 01:06.45 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 01:06.45 | d0t | thanks for the quick reply |
| 01:06.59 | doublehp | cliechti: is ppm a lostless format ? |
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| 01:07.16 | HotFalafel | heheh soon my linux will be perfect :) |
| 01:07.24 | HotFalafel | : shivers with excitement |
| 01:07.26 | gilles | how to set a msg for someone that get connected to my server with ssh ? |
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| 01:07.34 | gilles | a welcome msg |
| 01:07.38 | deadcat | gilles: wall |
| 01:07.39 | HotFalafel | motd ? |
| 01:07.44 | resiak | gilles: /etc/motd |
| 01:07.48 | deadcat | gilles: talk, write |
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| 01:08.07 | d0t | ohhhh, nice, it looks like its only a module. |
| 01:08.19 | d0t | does this line mean that its not compiled into the kernel (agpgart): |
| 01:08.29 | d0t | CONFIG_AGP=m |
| 01:08.34 | deadcat | d0t: module |
| 01:08.40 | d0t | that does refer to agpgart, right? |
| 01:08.42 | d0t | sweeeeet |
| 01:08.44 | deadcat | m=module y=built-in |
| 01:08.50 | d0t | so I dont need a full recompile then, correct? |
| 01:08.58 | d0t | I am able to force rmmod |
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| 01:09.05 | d0t | to kill the other agp modules |
| 01:09.07 | abrotman | d0t: it's a module .. it hsold be that way |
| 01:09.07 | cliechti | doublehp, all the netpbms intermediate formats are lossless, but that depends more on your source/target image formats |
| 01:09.10 | gilles | resiak: so i can just delete all the content of this file, and write whatever i like in it, right ? |
| 01:09.16 | d0t | but cant seem to modconf it our |
| 01:09.17 | d0t | out |
| 01:09.28 | resiak | gilles: Uh-huh. |
| 01:09.30 | d0t | what is the best way to keep it from loading? |
| 01:09.34 | resiak | chealer: You can pay me if you like. |
| 01:09.38 | chealer | doh! |
| 01:09.43 | d0t | udev seems to LOVE this module, even when trying to force the NvAgp module :( |
| 01:09.46 | d0t | and loads it regardless |
| 01:09.58 | caphuso | d0t: except that udev doesn't load modules |
| 01:10.08 | d0t | oh :D |
| 01:10.09 | d0t | hehe |
| 01:10.14 | xam | d0t: put the module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 01:10.20 | d0t | well, at boot, its always loaded |
| 01:10.21 | d0t | hehe |
| 01:10.29 | d0t | (learn something new everyday, eh?? :) ) |
| 01:10.41 | d0t | thank ya xam |
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| 01:10.44 | d0t | checkin it out now |
| 01:10.48 | gilles | resiak: hmm... what do you mean by Uh_huh ?... |
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| 01:10.53 | resiak | gilles: I mean yeah. |
| 01:10.59 | deadcat | d0t: you dont have to tell us your action. |
| 01:11.05 | gilles | resiak: okay, what language was that ? |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | resiak: do the "things" involve beer? |
| 01:11.13 | resiak | gilles: raseac. |
| 01:11.15 | resiak | gilles: :) |
| 01:11.19 | resiak | abrotman: Possibly. |
| 01:11.21 | gilles | resiak: okay :) |
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| 01:12.16 | gilles | resiak: and actually, this /et/motd manage the welcome msg for ssh, but is it used for something else than ssh ? |
| 01:12.24 | resiak | ...mainly involving pouring the beer in. |
| 01:12.34 | resiak | gilles: man motd |
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| 01:13.18 | abrotman | can we just leave the beer alone? |
| 01:13.37 | deadcat | bud |
| 01:13.38 | hhstnoc | drugs are bad, mmmkay? |
| 01:14.39 | xam | deadcat: bud is no beer. it is coloured 'something' |
| 01:14.56 | deadcat | xam: well someone suppose to go wise and so on... |
| 01:16.17 | abrotman | well .. that's fine .. but it's my beer .. don't touch it |
| 01:17.03 | resiak | wei |
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| 01:17.31 | skyisblue | what is beer? (don't answer) |
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| 01:17.42 | abrotman | root? |
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| 01:18.19 | hhstnoc | heehee, administrator. |
| 01:18.54 | Administrator_ | ? |
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| 01:19.17 | hhstnoc | you're using windows, right? |
| 01:19.25 | Administrator_ | on this box |
| 01:19.31 | hhstnoc | :) |
| 01:19.38 | Administrator_ | lol i didnt change my usrname hehe |
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| 01:19.51 | Administrator_ | im just starting to think the family would be better off without windows |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | esp when you run as Administrator |
| 01:20.08 | hhstnoc | si. |
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| 01:20.31 | Administrator_ | abrotman, lol |
| 01:20.36 | abrotman | i wasn't laughing |
| 01:20.45 | mvhurja | what is secure chmod for configuration.php file |
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| 01:20.49 | Administrator_ | i was laughing at that statement |
| 01:20.53 | ShawnJon | hello, how can i install a module easily |
| 01:21.03 | ShawnJon | in debian.. everytime i reset my system, i have to reinstall the module |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | mvhurja: 500 ? |
| 01:21.08 | Administrator_ | well anyway, this admin needs help, does anyone know where the java exec is located? |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | mvhurja: depends on the app |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | Administrator_: did you install java on debian? |
| 01:21.18 | mvhurja | one website |
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| 01:21.27 | Administrator_ | abrotman, yes, JRE1.5 |
| 01:21.28 | carstenh | ShawnJon: try modconf |
| 01:21.28 | dkas | ShawnJon: modconf? |
| 01:21.36 | ShawnJon | k |
| 01:21.40 | ShawnJon | well it says its installed |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | Administrator_: and how did you install it? |
| 01:21.41 | mvhurja | abrotman: for one website.. |
| 01:21.43 | ShawnJon | there is a + sign, |
| 01:21.46 | ShawnJon | but its not loaded |
| 01:21.50 | ShawnJon | everytime i reset i ahve to reload |
| 01:21.51 | mvhurja | you prefear chmod 500 |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | mvhurja: until you find out you need something else .. |
| 01:22.00 | carstenh | does anybody know in which folder dhcpd looks for the boot file I specified with the filename statement in dhcpd.conf? |
| 01:22.20 | abrotman | Administrator_: and how did you install it? |
| 01:22.34 | mvhurja | abrotman: what ? |
| 01:22.36 | mvhurja | :) |
| 01:22.37 | abrotman | ShawnJon: have you considered it's unloading itself because it's dying? |
| 01:23.09 | adjacent | carstenh: quick fix, specify the full path |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | mvhurja: chmod 500 .. if the app bombs .. make it 544 |
| 01:23.09 | ShawnJon | abrotman, hmm.. well if i run modprobe the drivers should stay loaded next time i reboot? |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | err .. 644 |
| 01:23.09 | Administrator_ | abrotman, downloaded the .bin file, extracted it into a folder under /var |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | not 5 |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | 500 is bad |
| 01:23.10 | abrotman | very bad |
| 01:23.11 | carstenh | adjacent: i did this already, didn't find it |
| 01:23.14 | abrotman | 600 .. then 644 |
| 01:23.14 | mvhurja | 644 is good ? |
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| 01:23.27 | abrotman | Administrator_: well .. you messed that up didn't you |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | Administrator_: is it a sarge box? |
| 01:23.33 | mvhurja | allright |
| 01:23.38 | mvhurja | thanks you abrotman |
| 01:23.39 | carstenh | adjacent: maybe it has another "root-directory", like /var/www for apache? |
| 01:23.40 | abrotman | ShawnJon: not if the driver is imploding |
| 01:23.43 | Administrator_ | abrotman, what do u mean? no its a woody box |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:23.46 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:23.52 | nvz | what country is .nu? or is it a country =P dpkg is fuckin with me (: |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | Administrator_: updatedb;locate java | grep bin |
| 01:24.07 | vulture | nvz: Niue |
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| 01:24.18 | nvz | Notorious: never heard of it.. near Russia? |
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| 01:24.21 | vulture | So says the country.pl irssi script I'm using.. |
| 01:24.22 | nvz | vulture: ^ |
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| 01:24.27 | Guerin | nvz: try south pacific |
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| 01:24.57 | vulture | http://www.gov.nu/ :) |
| 01:24.57 | hhstnoc | well you learn something new every day. |
| 01:25.08 | carstenh | nvz: apt-get install countrycodes |
| 01:25.11 | vulture | although there server config seems to be b0rked.. |
| 01:25.12 | Administrator_ | abrotman, done that |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | Administrator_: and it didn't say anyhting? |
| 01:25.31 | vulture | google finds a variety of other results too |
| 01:25.56 | Administrator_ | abrotman, /bin/java , /bin/javaws, /bin/java_vm |
| 01:26.10 | abrotman | Administrator_: what's wrong with /bin/java ? |
| 01:26.53 | Administrator_ | abrotman, well thats the place where i downloaded it to and extracted it to |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | Administrator_: how are you testing java? |
| 01:28.16 | Administrator_ | abrotman, im going to use azureus but limewire is working fine (After mucking around with the .bashrd) |
| 01:28.19 | FieldySnuts | @fuck java |
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| 01:28.48 | abrotman | Administrator_: why not 'apt-get install gtk-gnutella' and take the easy road? |
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| 01:29.13 | Administrator_ | abrotman, meh, limewire works, just that i cant get azuerues to |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | or .. i miss 'gnut' |
| 01:29.20 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella works |
| 01:29.46 | FieldySnuts | but sucks |
| 01:29.55 | Guerin | all p2p clients suck |
| 01:29.56 | Administrator_ | abrotman, i have limewire all set up!! |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:30.04 | Guerin | it's just the way of the world. |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | Administrator_: so .. no more problem? |
| 01:30.15 | Administrator_ | abrotman, its azureus thats the prob |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: the newer versions are better |
| 01:30.22 | frem | hey, i'm doing a net-floppy install of woody, and I keep getting this message at the 'select installation server' dialog saying that the http://www.us.debian.org/debian server was unavalable or contained no release file. |
| 01:30.40 | gilles | the touchpad and the mouse can't work at the same time on my laptop, and the graphic interface cannot be run if no mouse is plugged, does someone have an idea about how to fix that problem ? |
| 01:31.03 | carstenh | frem: try another server? |
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| 01:31.05 | Administrator_ | abrotman, this time it found my java |
| 01:31.12 | Administrator_ | abrotman, but new error |
| 01:31.43 | Administrator_ | any java experts here? |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | Administrator_: #java |
| 01:32.02 | frem | carstenh: i can't ping google, either, even though I've installed the tulip driver earlier on in the install. |
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| 01:32.08 | Guerin | Administrator_: no, we likw free software. |
| 01:32.14 | Guerin | and we like it, too. |
| 01:32.20 | Administrator_ | same here |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | at least we don't lick it |
| 01:32.27 | Administrator_ | lol |
| 01:32.28 | Guerin | Administrator_: so don't use java. |
| 01:32.36 | Administrator_ | what else can i use? |
| 01:32.43 | abrotman | Guerin: technically .. java is free .. as in beer |
| 01:32.54 | abrotman | Administrator_: gtk-gnutella |
| 01:32.55 | resiak | Administrator_: gtk-gnutella. |
| 01:32.58 | Administrator_ | and im not paying for any software thats on my linux box.. |
| 01:33.08 | dvs | Administrator_: Are you using sarge? |
| 01:33.12 | Administrator_ | dvs, no |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | dvs: you wish |
| 01:33.20 | Guerin | abrotman: you KNOW that's not what I mean. |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:33.35 | Administrator_ | oh wait u r talking about a substitute for limewire? |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:33.44 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | !r |
| 01:33.45 | dpkg | hmm... r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | don't make me go through the whole fucking alphabet |
| 01:33.56 | Administrator_ | grrrrr |
| 01:34.03 | Administrator_ | I won't |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | Administrator_: gtk-gnutella is a substitute for limewire |
| 01:34.17 | Administrator_ | I will type well now.. |
| 01:34.23 | carstenh | frem: is the module really loaded, is the interface up, is your route correct, how do you connect to the internet? |
| 01:34.28 | Administrator_ | abrotman, whats the disadvan. / advant |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | of what? |
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| 01:34.44 | resiak | Administrator_: Just _try_ it. |
| 01:35.04 | Administrator_ | is it stable? |
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| 01:35.06 | Guerin | limecrap is java? |
| 01:35.13 | Administrator_ | yes |
| 01:35.25 | abrotman | !limewire |
| 01:35.25 | dpkg | methinks limewire is the coolest graphical gnutella client for both windows and linux. see http://www.limewire.com! GPL! apt-get install limewire. |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:35.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:35.40 | Guerin | that's a big penalty there |
| 01:35.46 | resiak | I like that. GPL, but ... Java. |
| 01:35.46 | Guerin | !factinfo limewire |
| 01:35.46 | dpkg | limewire -- created by jupy <jupy@anal15.chem.elte.hu> at Sun Oct 14 13:33:21 2001 (1193 days); last modified at Thu Nov 14 19:04:41 2002 by Hackel!~edjolansk@msp-65-30-246-103.mn.rr.com; it has been requested 7 times, last by abrotman, 21s ago. |
| 01:35.53 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:35.58 | frem | carstenh: It said the module was installed, i connect though a linksys router, and i just downloaded the net-floppys using windows on this computer. |
| 01:36.00 | Administrator_ | grrr why wont it aptget!! |
| 01:36.05 | vulture | 7 times in 2 years.. |
| 01:36.05 | Administrator_ | it keeps looking for cds |
| 01:36.06 | vulture | hehe |
| 01:36.09 | Guerin | Administrator_: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | !info limewire |
| 01:36.18 | dpkg | limewire: (a Java based gnutella servent), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 3.4.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7605 kB, Installed size: 20896 kB |
| 01:36.24 | Guerin | vulture: 2 years? Them's long years you're having... |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | !info limewire woody |
| 01:36.46 | carstenh | frem: ok, lets switch to a shell by holding down shift and pressing F2. |
| 01:36.48 | abrotman | limewire isn't in woody |
| 01:36.52 | frem | carstenh: done |
| 01:36.59 | vulture | Guerin: I was going off the last modified, but yeah I guess it actually goes across the whole period |
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| 01:37.09 | Administrator_ | http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=135902 |
| 01:37.14 | Administrator_ | thats my prob |
| 01:37.24 | carstenh | frem: puts ifconfig anything about your interface out |
| 01:37.31 | frem | carstenh: i just ran ifconfig -a, and the ip addresses are there on my network card, but i can't ping google |
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| 01:37.37 | carstenh | hmm, i think that was bad english |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | Administrator_: will you please install gtk-gnutella |
| 01:37.53 | carstenh | frem: what about your router |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | Administrator_: and that problem is on fedora |
| 01:38.01 | carstenh | frem: can you ping it? |
| 01:38.11 | skyisblue | Administrator_: http://freshmeat.net/browse/251/ |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | skyisblue: don't do that |
| 01:38.27 | Administrator_ | abrotman, ok but can i change aptget so it can get it from the net and not cds |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | Administrator_: apt-get install gtk-gnutella |
| 01:38.42 | Administrator_ | abrotman, i do that |
| 01:38.46 | frem | carstenh: hold on, i need to pull up my docs and find out what my routers ip address is |
| 01:38.54 | Administrator_ | abrotman, it says insert the cd but my cdrom drive aint connected |
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| 01:39.07 | abrotman | Administrator_: apt-setup |
| 01:39.13 | carstenh | frem: forget this |
| 01:39.20 | Guerin | !tell Administrator_ about fundamentals |
| 01:39.27 | Guerin | !tell Administrator_ about pkgmgmt |
| 01:39.35 | carstenh | frem: have you set your default-route? |
| 01:39.40 | Guerin | !cluedrill Administrator_ |
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| 01:39.45 | carstenh | frem: or do you use dhcp? |
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| 01:40.09 | frem | carstenh: this router is supposed to be able to use dhcp, but debian can't find the dhcp stuff on it |
| 01:40.18 | Administrator_ | abrotman, http or ftp? |
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| 01:40.36 | carstenh | frem: ok, do you want to use a fixed ip instead? |
| 01:40.47 | frem | carstenh: ok |
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| 01:41.13 | frem | carstenh: i looked up and wrote down my inet bcast and mask ip addresses |
| 01:41.16 | Guerin | Administrator_: widhe |
| 01:41.17 | carstenh | frem: did you already gave hin a ip-adress |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | Administrator_: http |
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| 01:41.28 | resiak | !widhe |
| 01:41.28 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 01:41.32 | ukbg | i need help? |
| 01:41.36 | Administrator_ | ahhh |
| 01:41.39 | frem | carstenh: yes, but it didn't seem to work |
| 01:41.41 | resiak | ukbg: I don't know |
| 01:41.42 | carstenh | ukbg: /me too |
| 01:41.49 | ukbg | http://www.supercheats.com/playstation2/walkthroughs/onimusha3demonsiege-walkthrough03.txt |
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| 01:42.19 | abrotman | ukbg: do we look like we play PS2? |
| 01:42.27 | joujou | is AMD sempron like the duron line? (i.e no cache) |
| 01:42.28 | Administrator_ | grrr this is going to take ages |
| 01:42.29 | carstenh | frem: did you ever heard about thinks like broadcast and subnets? |
| 01:42.32 | resiak | !sempron |
| 01:42.32 | dpkg | i guess sempron is AMD's new (2004) budget line of 32-bit processors, to replace the Duron line. Sempron 2800+ and lower are socket A; 3100+ and higher are socket 754. See <k7>. a Thoroughbred core Athlon XP (k7) by a flashy name |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | resiak: hush |
| 01:42.42 | ukbg | i need help? |
| 01:42.46 | joujou | thanks resiak |
| 01:43.12 | abrotman | ukbg: we don't play Playstation |
| 01:43.20 | frem | carstenh: i assume thats what bcast stands for, but i don't know much about them, only the name |
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| 01:43.21 | abrotman | ukbg: go away .. now |
| 01:43.25 | ukbg | ho do? |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | fucking christ |
| 01:43.38 | Administrator_ | who is he? |
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| 01:43.39 | carstenh | frem: thats the only problem here ;) |
| 01:43.43 | resiak | ukbg: #ps2 |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | ukbg: get out of here .. this is not a channel for gaming help |
| 01:43.52 | Guerin | !annoy ukbg |
| 01:43.52 | dpkg | ukbg: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 01:43.58 | resiak | ukbg: #an.yw.here.el.se |
| 01:44.14 | ukbg | none is there |
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| 01:44.30 | abrotman | let me guess .. no ops around eh? |
| 01:44.39 | ukbg | ay |
| 01:44.41 | carstenh | frem: write down the netmask, gateway and the ip-adress of your windows-computer and wait. i'll be back in a few minutes |
| 01:44.49 | Echizen | when i do "df -h" it just hangs. i think it's due to an smb share i have mounted that is no longer availible. however, i cant remember all the stuff i have mounted. how could i figure out what it is i need to unmount so that df wont hang? |
| 01:44.50 | dondelelcaro | ukbg: why exactly are you asking about PS2 stuff here? It's wildly off topic. |
| 01:44.50 | caphuso | abrotman: give me something to /lastlog |
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| 01:45.03 | abrotman | caphuso: ukgb .. he's also in #gentoo |
| 01:45.05 | ukbg | i need help? |
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| 01:45.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell ukbg about ask |
| 01:45.10 | ukbg | http://www.supercheats.com/playstation2/walkthroughs/onimusha3demonsiege-walkthrough03.txt |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | err ukbg caphuso |
| 01:45.15 | frem | carstenh: ok, |
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| 01:45.28 | dondelelcaro | ukbg: let me know if you actually have a real question. |
| 01:45.44 | caphuso | well, that works too :) |
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| 01:47.38 | jager | so i can't install mysql without an mta |
| 01:47.58 | resiak | !mta |
| 01:47.58 | dpkg | [mta] a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 01:48.01 | resiak | Meh. |
| 01:48.02 | dondelelcaro | jager: Yes. install nullmailer or ssmtp or postfix or exim4 or sendmail or... apt-cache search mail-transport-agent; for the whole list. |
| 01:48.29 | dondelelcaro | jager: there's really no excuse for having a machine without an MTA. |
| 01:48.29 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: That's the second time you have said that -- don't make me !repeat you. :P |
| 01:48.44 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: heh. I had to go back up in the scrollback to get it. |
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| 01:49.12 | Echizen | no suggestions? |
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| 01:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Echizen: df -h will hang if that's the case. You can use lsof to figure out what it's stuck on, or just reconnect the smbmount. |
| 01:49.58 | dondelelcaro | Echizen: alternatively, you can wait for df -h to time out. |
| 01:50.13 | christor | hello, I would like to know if something exist to log the isntall of packages? |
| 01:50.30 | dondelelcaro | christor: if you use aptitude, it's logged. If not, there are other ways to log it. |
| 01:50.33 | Guerin | christor: aptitude |
| 01:50.43 | jager | dondelelcaro, i don't want a mailer at all though |
| 01:50.48 | jager | and apt tells me i have to have one |
| 01:50.53 | lobster | what is that package that starts up the xserver at reboot? I want to remove it |
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| 01:51.14 | Guerin | jager: why not? You need to be able to send and recieve mail. |
| 01:51.19 | Souza1000 | anyone could say if Jump Drive of Lexar is compatible with Linux? and if Jump Drive is the same thing of Pen Drive? What is the difference? |
| 01:51.28 | dondelelcaro | jager: yes, you do. You need some way to get the logs from crontab off of the machine. |
| 01:51.43 | dondelelcaro | jager: thus, you want to install something like nullmailer or ssmtp. |
| 01:51.45 | dvs | Souza1000: i have and use one with Debian. |
| 01:51.46 | christor | dondelelcaro: Guerin : in fact I use the debian system in the office , and I would like to receive mail or other, if someone has installed a packages via apt-get |
| 01:51.54 | Snadder | anyone got some cheap 250/300gb hd's to recommend?.. |
| 01:52.02 | dondelelcaro | christor: use apt-listchanges then, and have it e-mail you the changelogs |
| 01:52.18 | jager | really |
| 01:52.21 | christor | dondelelcaro: I go too look at |
| 01:53.22 | Administrator_ | anyone here that can help me with a azureus prob? |
| 01:53.46 | Souza1000 | but works as well as the pen drive? Do I have to play with keys? or It is just a feature that I can or not use? |
| 01:53.53 | Souza1000 | dvs |
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| 01:54.04 | abrotman | Administrator_: gtk-gnutella |
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| 01:54.15 | carstenh | frem: re |
| 01:54.18 | dvs | Souza1000: What do you mean "play with keys"? |
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| 01:54.26 | dondelelcaro | Souza1000: uh, if they're USB drives that support the usb mass storage system, then they probably do. |
| 01:54.27 | frem | carstenh: i'm here |
| 01:54.37 | carstenh | frem: i guess your networkinterface is eth0, rigth? |
| 01:54.50 | carstenh | frem: did you do your "homework"? |
| 01:54.54 | frem | carstenh: yeah |
| 01:55.10 | frem | carstenh: actually, i had it all wirtten don before i even joined the chatroom |
| 01:55.21 | carstenh | frem: ok, tell me |
| 01:55.21 | FieldySnuts | @room |
| 01:55.22 | ravenbird | CHANNEL! |
| 01:56.19 | frem | carstenh: ip: 192.168.1.102, mask: 255.255.255, gateway: 192.168.1.1 |
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| 01:56.26 | Administrator_ | abrotman, its a bittorrent client |
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| 01:56.41 | abrotman | Administrator_: it's java isn't it? |
| 01:56.44 | Souza1000 | can I use a CD LIVE and storage my home in it? |
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| 01:57.03 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 01:57.06 | carstenh | frem: ok, your debian-pc will have 192.168.0.23 255.255.255.0 and the same gateway |
| 01:57.19 | Administrator_ | abrotman, yup |
| 01:57.50 | xogon | how to list the contents of an uninstalled package? |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that's almost qotd-worthy |
| 01:57.58 | carstenh | frem: ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.23 up |
| 01:58.22 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: what he said is !irritate worthy |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | perhaps it is |
| 01:58.48 | jdb1968 | hi all, i'm getting unresolved symbols errors when trying to load a module i've compiled |
| 01:58.56 | carstenh | frem: route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | jdb1968: nvidia? |
| 01:59.04 | bob2 | jdb1968: you compiled it against the wrong set of kernel headers |
| 01:59.05 | carstenh | frem: ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.23 up |
| 01:59.07 | jdb1968 | thing is, i think i have the correct headers/source for the kernel |
| 01:59.12 | bob2 | jdb1968: are you using a debian or custom kernel? |
| 01:59.13 | bob2 | jdb1968: ah |
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| 01:59.18 | carstenh | frem: sorry, i mixed up the subnets |
| 01:59.34 | boukensya | hey guys. I am looking for a ncurses-like base icq client that also supports icq talking with aol users.. but centericq doesn't seem to support that |
| 01:59.34 | carstenh | frem: forget the fist line i told you |
| 01:59.35 | jdb1968 | debian stock, sarge 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 01:59.43 | frem | carstenh: ok |
| 01:59.44 | boukensya | anone know any? |
| 01:59.51 | bob2 | jdb1968: sure you have kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 installed? |
| 01:59.52 | pipeline | boukensya: No ICQ client will allow you to talk to AIM users. |
| 01:59.57 | carstenh | frem: now ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 01:59.57 | FieldySnuts | "icq talking with aol users" eh? |
| 01:59.58 | jdb1968 | yes |
| 02:00.00 | bob2 | boukensya: pork maybe? |
| 02:00.06 | jdb1968 | that's the truly puzzling part |
| 02:00.09 | frem | carstenh: g2g, sry |
| 02:00.17 | pipeline | boukensya: It's the same protocol, but the wall between them is enforced by the server. |
| 02:00.17 | bob2 | boukensya: bitlbee is pretty cool, too |
| 02:00.17 | bob2 | jdb1968: what driver is it? |
| 02:00.19 | FieldySnuts | more recent versions of centericq support aim and jabber and icq and others |
| 02:00.22 | jdb1968 | the module(s) actually compile but error out at modprobe time |
| 02:00.29 | jdb1968 | it's for asterisk |
| 02:00.36 | jdb1968 | zaptel |
| 02:00.40 | bob2 | hm |
| 02:00.53 | boukensya | pipeline: yes.. even the windows version of icq lets you talk to aim users.. and so does gaim |
| 02:01.01 | boukensya | cool I will look at those to bob2 (: |
| 02:01.20 | Guerin | yeah, bitlbee is great |
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| 02:02.17 | jdb1968 | at make install they give depmod error too about unresolved symbols, but it does install them to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc |
| 02:02.29 | bob2 | jdb1968: did you run 'depmod -a'? |
| 02:02.31 | jdb1968 | i'm at a loss |
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| 02:02.45 | jdb1968 | depmod -ae gives same unresolved symbols for the modules |
| 02:02.55 | Chewie[] | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables. |
| 02:03.07 | Chewie[] | i'm getting that error when i try to ./configure nvu. what's that mean? |
| 02:03.13 | jdb1968 | somehow these headers are not right for the kernel, i agree |
| 02:03.17 | zinx | Chewie[]: apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:03.21 | jdb1968 | but my debian is not deep |
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| 02:04.13 | Guerin | jdb1968: just build agains the headers of the currently running kernel. That's all the magic you need. |
| 02:04.22 | Rebecca | hi, i want to run tightvnc as a nonroot user upon boot.. how should i do it? as an init.d script? |
| 02:04.23 | jdb1968 | i think i am |
| 02:04.25 | Chewie[] | zinx: thanks much. had i known that, i wouldn't have ripped out so much hair over the past few days. |
| 02:04.29 | Guerin | !think |
| 02:04.29 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 02:05.00 | jdb1968 | well, i've got kernel-2.4.27-1-386, version 6 apt-cache show tells me |
| 02:05.03 | bob2 | Chewie[]: it is in the FAQ ;-) |
| 02:05.05 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate Guerin |
| 02:05.08 | ravenbird | !irritate Guerin |
| 02:05.10 | dpkg | Guerin: HELP ME!!! who uses kde ???/ |
| 02:05.10 | Guerin | Chewie[]: you can probab;y get a debian package of nvu form someplace. |
| 02:05.17 | bob2 | Rebecca: that'd be the easiest way? |
| 02:05.21 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: beatings. |
| 02:05.23 | bob2 | er, no ? |
| 02:05.29 | jdb1968 | i've got kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 02:05.32 | bob2 | jdb1968: hm |
| 02:05.38 | Chewie[] | Guerin: i want to try compiling it. |
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| 02:05.50 | bob2 | jdb1968: what does 'ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build' print out? |
| 02:06.00 | Chewie[] | bob2: shaddup. i don't read FAQs first. :-P |
| 02:06.00 | Rebecca | bob2: anyone know where i can find an init.d script for doing it? |
| 02:06.28 | bob2 | Rebecca: hm, you want to run tightvnc server or client (I know jack about VNC)? |
| 02:06.54 | boukensya | why did bitlbee install in /usr/sbin? |
| 02:06.56 | Guerin | Chewie[]: find or make a debianised source and use that instead. |
| 02:06.59 | jdb1968 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2005-01-20 01:38 /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/build -> /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 02:07.00 | bob2 | boukensya: it's a daemon |
| 02:07.08 | bob2 | boukensya: you connect to it with your irc client |
| 02:07.08 | Rebecca | i want to run tightvncserver.. |
| 02:07.08 | boukensya | ohh.. so how do I run it? |
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| 02:07.31 | bob2 | boukensya: you connect to it with your irc client |
| 02:07.34 | carstenh | Rebecca: i you want to create one, you might look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 02:07.35 | Guerin | Chewie[]: sorry, did I mishear you? I thought you said you didn't read faqs first... |
| 02:07.41 | bob2 | boukensya: you're really going to have read the README |
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| 02:07.51 | zinx | bob2: BURN HIM!! |
| 02:07.52 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: didn't misread |
| 02:08.01 | zinx | erh, s/bob2/Guerin/ |
| 02:08.02 | bob2 | chill folks |
| 02:08.05 | Rebecca | carstenh: ok :) |
| 02:08.10 | boukensya | ohh.. I still need a client? |
| 02:08.15 | Chewie[] | Guerin: heh.. i want to try making a vanilla mozillian. and yeah, my mind doesn't think "FAQ" when i have a problem. |
| 02:08.17 | boukensya | ok |
| 02:08.34 | FieldySnuts | he thinks 'waste other peoples time first' |
| 02:08.50 | Guerin | Chewie[]: it should. Because you are NOT special, you are NOT some kind of magical person who is exempt from the Laws of How Things Are. |
| 02:08.52 | Echizen | dondelelcaro: thanx, lsof helped me figure it out :) |
| 02:08.56 | carstenh | Rebecca: and update-rc.d to create the links after you created it |
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| 02:09.31 | Chewie[] | Guerin: when did i say i was? |
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| 02:09.44 | boukensya | ok.. I see.. any that aren't irc based? |
| 02:10.18 | ireverentReveren | i just compiled my first kernel, and when booting into it i get a "VFS: Cannot open root device "hdc1" or unknown-block(0,0) please append a correct "root=" option Kernel panic:VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" the "root=" line is correct, and is the same as a working kernel, and i didnot remove any filesystem or IDE portions from the kernel.... any idea what is wrong? |
| 02:10.27 | Rebecca | carstenh: okay :) |
| 02:10.52 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: /msg dpkg norootfs |
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| 02:10.58 | ireverentReveren | Guerin ty |
| 02:11.04 | tulga | hi all |
| 02:11.26 | jdb1968 | bob2: any other ideas, i'm seriously at a loss |
| 02:11.26 | tulga | anyone know freeradius config in debian? |
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| 02:12.08 | bob2 | jdb1968: do you know the driver is suppoed to work against 2.4.27? |
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| 02:12.42 | tulga | I need freeradius help |
| 02:13.06 | bob2 | we know |
| 02:13.08 | jdb1968 | good question, i don't KNOW it but suspect i would've come across something |
| 02:14.19 | jdb1968 | i've been googling for hours trying to find a solution |
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| 02:15.19 | guru | is anyone here familiar with openoffice.org's spreadsheet editor? |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | !openoffice |
| 02:15.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, openoffice is a GPL Gtk based Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. See #debian-oo http://openoffice.debian.net for debs. try 'deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/debian-openoffice/ stable main contrib' if mirrors from the first URL do not work, or methadone handouts for M$ crack |
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| 02:15.52 | bob2 | er |
| 02:15.55 | guru | thanks |
| 02:15.56 | bob2 | it's so not gtk-based |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | there is a gtk widget set for it iirc |
| 02:16.18 | Rebecca | carstenh: um, i think i need to find an existing script.. there are multiple lockfiles to deal with and im not up to it |
| 02:16.32 | bob2 | not in Debian |
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| 02:16.54 | abrotman | i think it's optional |
| 02:16.55 | carstenh | Rebecca: ok, i hope you find something usefull :) |
| 02:17.22 | gravity | bob2: I think my version uses gtk |
| 02:17.23 | Klon | good night everyone |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:17.31 | gravity | bob2: It's the gnome integration package |
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| 02:18.13 | pipeline | bob2: The GTK version is nice, you should try it. |
| 02:18.16 | drac | I just made fresh install of sarge to old machine i've got. Going to be IRC/WWW server for ~10 friends. I only have 4gb hdd there. I was wondering how much x-window-system (+ fluxbox) would eat my HDD? |
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| 02:18.28 | bob2 | hm |
| 02:18.37 | bob2 | drac: < 100MB |
| 02:18.46 | drac | oh, that's not much. thanks. |
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| 02:19.06 | jdb1968 | bob2: thx for the sanity check, cheers |
| 02:19.07 | bob2 | in addition to the rest |
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| 02:21.37 | virgomoon | Greetings all! |
| 02:21.54 | xam | Greetings earthling! |
| 02:22.00 | virgomoon | I'm bored. |
| 02:22.21 | asg | virgomoon: then go find some wheels and skate |
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| 02:22.26 | pipeline | drac: You can fit a complete debian + gnome desktop in 500M :P |
| 02:22.44 | virgomoon | asg: Skate? I'd break my neck. I'm too old for that shit. |
| 02:22.57 | asg | virgomoon: so am I but it keeps you occupied |
| 02:23.07 | Goldfish | I am trying to figure out the maximum dot clock for my nVidia GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x card. Is this something to look up, or something to compute? I haven't found anything on Google yet. |
| 02:23.10 | virgomoon | asg: true |
| 02:23.25 | Guerin | Goldfish: /j #overclockers |
| 02:23.44 | virgomoon | I've got a bid in on eBay for some cdrs that has an hour left and nothing to do in the interim. |
| 02:24.05 | xam | virgomoon: browse wikipedia |
| 02:24.08 | drac | pipeline: yeah, i guess i just have shitloads of crap installed on my desktop, since my debian eats 3gb. |
| 02:24.27 | virgomoon | xam: That's always an interesting pastime. |
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| 02:24.32 | pipeline | drac: Heh, I know I have shitloads of crap. |
| 02:24.36 | gravity | virgomoon: Lean a new programming language |
| 02:24.37 | asg | drac: when was the last time you did 'apt-get clean' |
| 02:24.42 | gravity | virgomoon: Or better yet, fix some RC bugs in Debian! |
| 02:24.54 | drac | asg: never? :-) |
| 02:24.55 | virgomoon | gravity: RC bugs? |
| 02:25.07 | gravity | virgomoon: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 02:25.09 | asg | drac: try it, see if that helps improve your free space |
| 02:25.11 | gravity | virgomoon: Help your distro! |
| 02:25.25 | drac | oh omg, i got 1.5gb free space |
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| 02:25.31 | virgomoon | gravity: I'm actually trying to get setup to sell the cds. That's what the cdrs are for. |
| 02:25.37 | drac | thanks again :p |
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| 02:25.45 | AzraelGM | Does anyone know about Ptlink? |
| 02:25.51 | asg | drac: dirty trousers, clean botty |
| 02:26.09 | AzraelGM | I recently installed ptlink, configured everything |
| 02:26.10 | AzraelGM | i run it |
| 02:26.10 | xam | virgomoon: sell to whom? again on eBay? |
| 02:26.14 | AzraelGM | and nothing shows up |
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| 02:26.44 | virgomoon | xam: no, I just put in a request to the debian guys to be put on the vendor page. |
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| 02:27.17 | virgomoon | xam: I figure it's a start. |
| 02:27.36 | asg | AzraelGM: ptlink isn't in debian |
| 02:27.48 | AzraelGM | I know.. |
| 02:27.54 | AzraelGM | Just no one else want gimmie support. |
| 02:28.03 | AzraelGM | Wondered if anyone knew anything. |
| 02:28.09 | asg | AzraelGM: you mean ptlink the irc daemon? |
| 02:28.12 | AzraelGM | yes |
| 02:28.23 | asg | AzraelGM: install dancer-ircd instead |
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| 02:28.30 | Gokuh | Hola a todos/as |
| 02:28.35 | asg | !spanish |
| 02:28.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:28.38 | asg | Gokuh: ^^ |
| 02:28.55 | Gokuh | what asg? |
| 02:29.00 | AzraelGM | asg, is it good? |
| 02:29.06 | asg | Gokuh: no hablo espanol aqui |
| 02:29.13 | asg | AzraelGM: freenode uses it |
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| 02:29.25 | asg | !seen asuffield |
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| 02:29.25 | dpkg | asuffield is currently on #debian (14h 25m 45s). Has said a total of 3080 messages. Is idling for 2h 30m 10s |
| 02:29.30 | asg | AzraelGM: ^^^ he wrote it |
| 02:29.52 | AzraelGM | hmm |
| 02:29.55 | asg | AzraelGM: not that he's likely to provide personal support, but it is in debian |
| 02:30.12 | AzraelGM | I wanna try and get this Ptlink working |
| 02:30.15 | AzraelGM | Thanks anyway |
| 02:30.27 | AzraelGM | Ive just spent all night |
| 02:30.35 | AzraelGM | it's now 2:30 am |
| 02:30.43 | AzraelGM | I aint giving up until i have done it. |
| 02:30.47 | AzraelGM | lol. |
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| 02:30.57 | virgomoon | OK, I have what is likely a stupid question. Is dpkg a bot? |
| 02:31.03 | akusarujin | virgomoon, yep |
| 02:31.06 | akusarujin | blootbot |
| 02:31.07 | nvz | dpkg, what are you? |
| 02:31.07 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:31.09 | gravity | !what are you? |
| 02:31.11 | gravity | Damn |
| 02:31.11 | debian | virgomoon: we're all bots |
| 02:31.18 | nvz | apt, person? |
| 02:31.19 | apt | person is, like, like a bot, but squishier |
| 02:31.19 | virgomoon | lmfao!! |
| 02:31.24 | debian | virgomoon: resistance is futile |
| 02:31.30 | akusarujin | apt, what are you? |
| 02:31.32 | apt | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 02:31.39 | debian | ravenbird what are you |
| 02:31.39 | ravenbird | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:31.47 | akusarujin | apt was the previous dpkg, afaik |
| 02:31.54 | deadcat | ravenbird == fucking bot |
| 02:31.54 | ravenbird | deadcat: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:31.59 | Administrator_ | anyone here that can help me with a azureus prob? |
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| 02:32.10 | debian | @fuck deadcat |
| 02:32.16 | debian | no shit |
| 02:32.20 | virgomoon | No, really, how many bots do we have around here? |
| 02:32.25 | ireverentReveren | Administrator_ ./join azureus |
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| 02:32.33 | debian | virgomoon: /list #debian |
| 02:32.34 | Guerin | virgomoon: no way of knowing |
| 02:32.40 | debian | virgomoon: that's the no. of bots in this channel |
| 02:32.48 | akusarujin | rofl |
| 02:32.58 | jariep1_ | where can I get a list of debian repositories so that I can update my sources list? |
| 02:33.06 | akusarujin | virgomoon, technically you could ctcp version around, but you'd probably piss random assholes off :) |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | apt-setup |
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| 02:33.27 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:33.28 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 02:33.40 | helix | !test |
| 02:33.40 | akusarujin | wow |
| 02:33.40 | |rufius| | yay! |
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| 02:33.40 | dpkg | No, helix, you're not online any more. |
| 02:33.40 | akusarujin | that was somewhat unexpected |
| 02:33.40 | Guerin | don't just randomly version people |
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| 02:33.44 | virgomoon | akusarujin: I hate to ask, but what's ctcp? |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | !ctcp |
| 02:33.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, ctcp is the Client To Client Protocol, part of IRC (version, ping, etc.) |
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| 02:34.32 | virgomoon | abrotman: Ah. Is the '!' how you ask dpkg for info? |
| 02:34.34 | akusarujin | virgomoon, RFC 1459 explains it (the RFC for IRC) |
| 02:34.38 | asg | virgomoon: no, you '/msg dpkg <factoid>' |
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| 02:34.56 | virgomoon | akusarujin: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 02:35.41 | virgomoon | asg: oh that's nifty |
| 02:36.10 | virgomoon | asg: it doesn't take much to excite some people |
| 02:36.22 | akusarujin | virgomoon, <http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/> there is a brief description of it for you on that page |
| 02:36.38 | virgomoon | akusarujin: Hey, I'm all about exec summaries. |
| 02:36.47 | akusarujin | lol |
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| 02:37.10 | Lord-Cereburus | good day |
| 02:37.24 | Lord-Cereburus | abrotman, are you around? |
| 02:37.31 | nvz | is there a such thing as being too anal when filing a bug =P |
| 02:37.36 | CaD | is there a nice way to find an IP if you have the MAC? |
| 02:37.45 | asg | nvz: providing pictures is probably overkill |
| 02:37.50 | nvz | heh |
| 02:37.59 | asg | nvz: esp. of your posterior |
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| 02:38.10 | nvz | well I find a very minor bug in the way a games window/fullscreen option is enabled |
| 02:38.19 | nvz | its functional, its just glitched a little |
| 02:38.20 | Guerin | haha |
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| 02:38.38 | virgomoon | I've got a bid in for 4 Yamaha CRW8424S (8/4/24) SCSIs. What do y'all think is a good price? |
| 02:38.41 | asg | nvz: submit a patch if you can, that's the quintessence of being anal |
| 02:38.50 | nvz | thats what I figured |
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| 02:39.35 | nvz | all the bugs I found lately were reported already.. thats the first one I found that wasnt real obvious |
| 02:39.42 | akusarujin | can anyone recommend an identd? i'm using oidentd right now since some servers seem to not catch my ident...? |
| 02:39.48 | quitte | i have two computers here. both are running debian sid. i installed gnome on both of them. but on one box i can without problems press alt-f2 and enter a web address - while on the other it says it doesnt know what to do with http. |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: kind of |
| 02:39.53 | akusarujin | -? |
| 02:39.54 | nvz | like the icons missing in synaptic was real obvious bug .. heh |
| 02:40.09 | nvz | I dont even use synaptic on my machine, and I noticed it. |
| 02:40.40 | carstenh | CaD: rarp in net-tools? |
| 02:40.53 | quitte | i even completely reinstalled gnome on that machine and tried creating a new user. always the same |
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| 02:41.10 | Gokuh | Hola ChanServ, debhelper, a-atwood, aakkonen, abrotman, abydos, acez, ackron, adjacent, Administrator_, Adrian, afra, aglet, agney, Agrajag-, Ahil, akusarujin, alindeman, Alleria, alonso, AlphaOmega, amblin, annoia, anton, aokaze, ApEtc, apt, ApTek, arbius, archivist, arturaz, asac, asg, AssO, asuffield, asw, atrus, aurel42, aveng0, aya, AzHaR, azreal, azulema, b0ef, b33r, baard, baffle, etc.. |
| 02:41.24 | virgomoon | No ideas on the cdr prices? |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | Gokuh: are you dumb? |
| 02:41.31 | Gokuh | SI |
| 02:41.37 | Guerin | wow, that's the stupidest shit I'VE seen today |
| 02:41.42 | Gokuh | abrotman |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 02:41.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:41.46 | CaD | hmm i'll try thx |
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| 02:41.52 | Lord-Cereburus | when i install kernel 2.6.8 and install it into lilo, i get a msg like "Please append proper root=" then a kernel panic, it also says that it doesnt like the FS. abrotman told me to try grub, but i couldnt get it installed and working properly so i reverted back to lilo. Any suggestions? |
| 02:41.56 | Guerin | and I've been talking on icq to my mum for an hour |
| 02:42.03 | nvz | Guerin: hah |
| 02:42.07 | jariep1_ | I'm looking for a list of official Debian repositories. Can someone tell me where I can find it on the Debian site? |
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| 02:42.23 | nvz | Guerin: your mom use AOL? |
| 02:42.24 | Guerin | jariep1_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 02:42.33 | Guerin | nvz: no, she uses irc. |
| 02:42.33 | Guerin | err |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: why doens't grub install? |
| 02:42.34 | Guerin | icq |
| 02:42.35 | jariep1_ | ok , thanks Guerin |
| 02:42.39 | carstenh | CaD: after readding the manpage, i don't think this is the right tool |
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| 02:42.51 | Guerin | nvz: we don't have AOhell in NZ. |
| 02:42.56 | CaD | hmm |
| 02:43.01 | Lord-Cereburus | abrotman: it does, i'm just not sure how to set it as my boot manager |
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| 02:43.27 | Lord-Cereburus | i'v never really used it |
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| 02:43.35 | asg | Guerin: you aren't in NZ though |
| 02:43.41 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: grub-install? |
| 02:43.50 | Guerin | asg: you don't need to tell me. |
| 02:43.51 | Lord-Cereburus | i havnt tried that ;) |
| 02:44.03 | aphisone | how do I make the alsa configuration stay |
| 02:44.13 | asg | Guerin: ;) |
| 02:44.15 | carstenh | CaD: maybe packit? |
| 02:44.28 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: update-grub ? |
| 02:44.45 | abrotman | !tell Lord-Cereburus about grub |
| 02:45.06 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks dude :) |
| 02:45.12 | CaD | hmm |
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| 02:46.16 | Guerin | nope, AOL would never take off in NZ, because 1) there's a fierce telecoms monopoly and 2) because NZers think americans are toools and don't want to emulate them |
| 02:46.51 | Goldfish | I am hooking up my HDTV to an nVidia GeForce4 MX 4000 card. KDE starts up, but nothing will erase on the screen. The KDE launch window is drawn, but never leaves. The screen gets trashed because of this. Is this an XF86Config-4 issue or a graphics driver issue? |
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| 02:47.05 | carstenh | CaD: what you need is some tool, that is able to do revrse arp (rarp), but i don't know which one does this job |
| 02:47.05 | virgomoon | gravity: I was just parusing the RC bug list and found one about awstats - 291064. I use awstats, so I figured I might have a shot. It looks like it's already been fixed. So why would it still be in the bug list? |
| 02:47.37 | Guerin | virgomoon: not yet in testing? |
| 02:48.09 | CaD | my friend has a MAC and needs to track down its IP, I was searching around trying to find tools. |
| 02:48.42 | jetscreamer | ive done that but i forget what i used |
| 02:48.42 | gravity | virgomoon: I don't believe it's been fixed, but there is a patch available. I wouldn't bother with that, unless you feel like testing the security fix |
| 02:48.43 | carstenh | CaD: MAC as Macintosh? |
| 02:48.55 | jetscreamer | mac as in mac address of the nic |
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| 02:49.06 | carstenh | jetscreamer: but a mac... |
| 02:49.10 | caskey | CaD: arp -an |
| 02:49.13 | aphisone | I need to figure out how to make the alsa configuration stay... how would I do that... anyone know? |
| 02:49.21 | virgomoon | Guerin: not quite used to reading the bug lists--this is my first time--but it looks like version 6.3 fixes the bug. |
| 02:49.31 | asg | virgomoon: Joey Hess asked the maintainer to fix it according to the bug report. |
| 02:49.45 | asg | virgomoon: the maintainer hasn't currently updated sid's package to 6.3 |
| 02:50.15 | virgomoon | asg: Oh, so that last email is just the fix proposal and it's just not been implemented, yet? |
| 02:50.29 | Eagle101 | nessus in action... |
| 02:50.35 | asg | virgomoon: right, all the maintainer has to do is upgrade the sid package to 6.3 |
| 02:50.46 | asg | virgomoon: presuming the maintainer hasn't gone awol |
| 02:50.50 | virgomoon | asg: ah, thx |
| 02:50.52 | CaD | MAC as in mac address |
| 02:50.54 | jetscreamer | media access control |
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| 02:51.04 | virgomoon | OK, I'll pick another one. |
| 02:51.12 | CaD | he has a wireless AP (not a router) and needs to find out what IP his DHCP school network gave it |
| 02:51.23 | whaq | Hey guys, what kind of printers do you use at work? I know this is totally off the topic, but I see that debian users are mostly knowledgeable admins\powerusers that may have great input on tech subjects |
| 02:51.43 | jetscreamer | did <caskey> CaD: arp -an not work? |
| 02:51.52 | jetscreamer | to find the ip of the mac? |
| 02:52.08 | carstenh | CaD: ok, the /a/ irritated me ;) |
| 02:52.09 | asg | whaq: we use HP Laserjets |
| 02:52.09 | virgomoon | whaq: I use a HP632c and HP PSC 950. |
| 02:52.12 | CaD | nope doesnt show up in his table |
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| 02:52.37 | virgomoon | whaq: it's a home office, those two are on Window$ machines and the Debian and FreeBSD boxes run Samba. |
| 02:52.39 | whaq | arg, virgomoon - are those shared, hooked up to print servers or are they network printers? |
| 02:52.41 | caskey | CaD the wireless AP may not have an IP address, and if it's a natting AP and he's on the wireless side, he can't get the IP w/o admin access to the router or a host on the lan side |
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| 02:53.10 | asg | CaD: presuming the ap is on the same subnet as the machine you are using, ping -b xxx.xxx.xxx.xx (then check the arp tables) |
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| 02:53.20 | caskey | whaq: I only use networked postscript capable printers, I prefer HP models because they integrate fairly easy with cups and even lpr |
| 02:53.41 | jetscreamer | if he's on the box just type arp? |
| 02:53.56 | jetscreamer | i take it it's a remote box then |
| 02:54.06 | kimo | guys, I want to boot an iso image without burning it onto CD. Can grub (or anything else) do that?? |
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| 02:54.13 | virgomoon | whaq: I've got mine on the Win machines simply out of convenience of placement. I rarely print from up here in the office, so they're more useful where they are. |
| 02:54.48 | mike | hi, im having some problems... everytime i boot up, access, find .. anything, these files come up /var/run/lpd.pid: Input/Output Error , /var/run/sshd.pid: Input/Output Error , /var/run/crond.pid: Input/Output Error and /var/run/crond.reboot: inupt/output error.. How do i fix this?? |
| 02:55.01 | distempr | ehh anyone here from canadia? |
| 02:55.06 | asg | mike: touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
| 02:55.11 | caskey | Mike sounds like you may have a bunch of corrupted files |
| 02:55.19 | distempr | I wanna know if there's a newegg equivalent for us canucks :x |
| 02:55.19 | asg | mike: your filesystems are corrupt or your drive is dying |
| 02:55.22 | mike | asg: can u explain what the matter |
| 02:55.27 | asg | mike: probably the former |
| 02:55.27 | mike | oh ok |
| 02:55.31 | whaq | caskey, cool. color laser\thermal too? |
| 02:55.34 | virgomoon | mike: yeah, those are definitely not good signs. |
| 02:55.47 | mike | asg: my drive is shit, keeps clicking |
| 02:55.49 | whaq | virgomoon, ok. |
| 02:55.53 | caskey | whaq: we use color laser and b/w laser, I don't mess with ink based systems. |
| 02:55.55 | asg | mike: if /var is on a separate partition, you can drop to single user mode, remount it ro and fsck it from there |
| 02:56.01 | asg | mike: that is quite a bad sign |
| 02:56.10 | virgomoon | whaq: Are you just looking for a printer or setting up the ones you have? |
| 02:56.14 | asg | mike: anything in /var/log/kern.log indicating IDE or seek errors? |
| 02:56.23 | mike | asg: so what will touch /forcefsck ; reboot do? |
| 02:56.30 | caskey | asg: or check dmesg |
| 02:56.37 | asg | mike: reboot the machine and force a filesystem check |
| 02:56.54 | kimo | guys, I want to boot an iso image without burning it onto CD. Can grub (or anything else) do that?? |
| 02:57.07 | asg | caskey: true (the logs are timestamped though, dmesg output isn't) |
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| 02:57.11 | whaq | caskey, are those shared for many people? do you have requirements for single-user printers that don't use laser? (people in their own room w/ own printers, etc) |
| 02:57.21 | caskey | asg: but if he has a fucked filesystem, the data might not end up in the logs |
| 02:57.34 | caskey | but, if those are occurring at boot, odds are good it'll still be in the kern buffer |
| 02:57.40 | asg | caskey: agreed |
| 02:58.07 | whaq | virgomoon, looking for printers. we've a workgroup of ~100 users that are looking to upgrade their printing solution, currently is a bunch of different printers, laser, small inkjets and the likes. |
| 02:58.08 | virgomoon | mike: oh screw it, who needs cron anyway, right? |
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| 02:58.14 | Led_Zeppelin | phhew, cool. |
| 02:58.24 | caskey | whaq: I have shared among a number of different sizes. I use the HP4 series (now 4000) for small groups 2-20 and the HP5 series (now 8000) for large groups |
| 02:58.25 | mike | vigomoon: i don't need cron |
| 02:58.25 | Led_Zeppelin | using exim, how do I enable relay? |
| 02:58.31 | asg | mike: yes you do |
| 02:58.45 | caskey | whaq: I've had great success with the HP3700 color laser, though color laser is quite, quite expensive |
| 02:58.46 | mike | asg: im just kiddin |
| 02:58.49 | asg | mike: ;) |
| 02:58.57 | caskey | whaq: for individual users, I just don't do that |
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| 02:59.15 | caskey | whaq: someone important enough to have a private printer, is important enough to get a quality laser |
| 02:59.21 | whaq | caskey, you mean you don't have individual users or that they handle them by themselves? |
| 02:59.24 | mike | asg: bb in 3 mins.. to check contents of /var/log/kern.log and i'll give u results |
| 02:59.29 | whaq | caskey, oh ok. |
| 02:59.40 | asg | mike: check dmesg also (if the logs show nothing) |
| 02:59.51 | Administrator_ | does debian support rpms |
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| 02:59.54 | caskey | whaq: printing is not something that everyone should have unless your environment has some special condition requiring it |
| 02:59.59 | virgomoon | whaq: I don't know about supporting that many. I'm just a home office kind of guy. |
| 03:00.05 | carstenh | Administrator_: apt-get install alien |
| 03:00.06 | asg | Administrator_: no, but you can half-assed convert them to debs with 'alien' |
| 03:00.07 | pipeline | Administrator_: Sure. |
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| 03:00.12 | whaq | caskey, what about print quota\security? |
| 03:00.20 | pipeline | Administrator_: You won't find any RPM's that work with debian, but yes, the rpm tool is available. |
| 03:00.31 | caskey | whaq: I do deploy private printers in certain circumstances, e.g. in controller and in some finance offices. Plus HR |
| 03:00.31 | Administrator_ | thanks for the responcses |
| 03:00.40 | pipeline | Administrator_: And, as someone else mentioned, you can use alien to mangle other rpm packages to make them work. |
| 03:00.40 | caskey | whaq: cups manages that rather well, if necessary |
| 03:00.42 | drac | ok, I installed opti931 isapnp soundcard to old machine. I found snd-opti93x module for it, and loaded it. Installed udev and alsa-base. Hmm, but when I run alsaconf, it doesn't find my card? Alsa going to still work? |
| 03:00.54 | caskey | whaq: what type of environment? Office? Educational? Retail? |
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| 03:01.00 | jetscreamer | drac what kernel |
| 03:01.01 | whaq | virgomoon, you still have some good input for the subject though :) |
| 03:01.05 | CaD | rpms suck |
| 03:01.06 | drac | jetscreamer: 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:01.06 | virgomoon | Let me try this cdr ? again. I've got a bid in on 4 Yamaha CRW8424S SCSI 8/4/24x cdrs. What would be a good price on four of these? |
| 03:01.22 | whaq | caskey, office |
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| 03:01.43 | jetscreamer | drac you could try what is listed in the alsa-bork factoid, /msg dpkg alsa-bork |
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| 03:01.54 | virgomoon | whaq: The little 932c has been damn near indestructible. The PSC950 is a little flaky (picks up extra sheets on occasion) but probably just needs a bath. |
| 03:02.04 | caskey | whaq: quotas can be more of a pain to set up than actually useful. Go with the assumption that if someone is printing it then it's required for their job, then track the volume by user. If a user is aberrant, deal with it then. 1/10th the admin time |
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| 03:02.28 | caskey | whaq: also, workgroup based printing cuts down on non-personal use |
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| 03:02.36 | caskey | whaq: argh, I mean personal use |
| 03:02.47 | whaq | virgomoon, do you refill any of the inks? (or buy 3rd party refills) |
| 03:02.50 | drac | jetscreamer: ok, will try. thnks. |
| 03:03.07 | whaq | caskey, thanks for the warning - we were looking at quota setup (pykota, etc) at one time. |
| 03:03.15 | whaq | caskey, that makes sense.. |
| 03:03.22 | virgomoon | whaq: we've found that the money saved buying refills and 3rd party refills is spent in wasted cartidges. HP OEM all the way for us. |
| 03:03.32 | caskey | whaq: they're difficult to do and cups can quite easily generate a page-count log which you can collate using perl |
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| 03:03.40 | virgomoon | whaq: yeah, they're a little higher, but we've found they're worth it. |
| 03:03.50 | whaq | virgomoon, ok |
| 03:03.51 | caskey | whaq: also, toner consumption is the real issue, not pages printed, but you can track that as well. |
| 03:04.05 | whaq | caskey, per user usage? does it also show the document\source name? |
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| 03:04.14 | caskey | whaq: If you create quotas, you're going to run into people hitting them and then needing some way of working around it |
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| 03:04.30 | virgomoon | whaq: now, our problem could be that they like to dry up and we don't change them but every month or so. If you're burning through one every few days, you might still keep the door open for refils or 3rd parties. |
| 03:04.33 | caskey | whaq: yeah, the page log, it looks like this: "whaq 3" |
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| 03:05.17 | whaq | virgomoon, ok, will keep that in mind if there are any inkjet users :) |
| 03:05.19 | caskey | whaq: but, if you're doing postscript end to end, you'll have lots of information available to pull out if you want. |
| 03:05.31 | caskey | whaq: The easiest thing is snmp monitoring of the printers' page counter. |
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| 03:05.39 | caskey | whaq: I use mrtg to track page counts on every printer |