| 00:00.05 | streuner | hipp: wait a little while |
| 00:00.12 | hipp | thanks |
| 00:00.20 | npx | gurubie dude what are you looking for? a spreadsheet detailing all occurences of breakage in testing/unstable or something? |
| 00:00.23 | npx | just install the shit |
| 00:00.34 | dud | norwegian websites belonging to government or counties are so fucking bugged that I suspect they're coded and maintained by donkey |
| 00:00.35 | dud | s |
| 00:00.37 | paulswm | streuner: heh, I'm going to cook good old British fish & chips tomorrow |
| 00:00.48 | CtrlAltDel | oh jeez gurubie, im running unstable and im not 'scared' |
| 00:00.48 | dud | they only work 25% of the time at best |
| 00:00.51 | aokaze | I am still trying to find an editor that is like kate with script highlighting but without kde reliance |
| 00:01.06 | streuner | paulswm: i heard many things about british food.. ;-) |
| 00:01.12 | npx | aokaze bluefish (but kate is better) |
| 00:01.13 | dud | aokaze, bluefish is damn sweet :) |
| 00:01.19 | dud | heh |
| 00:01.26 | dud | I never did like kate |
| 00:01.30 | streuner | paulswm: most british people doesn't like them either.. ;-) |
| 00:01.31 | npx | dud, en garde! |
| 00:01.32 | gurubie | So I've got Sarge from snap (rc2) CD1 up but had to copy over a X config to get X. Now after install (the recomended by the CD) kdm, I takes my password without fail but just loops back to kdm again instead of KDE. Ack! How do I fix? |
| 00:01.37 | dud | npx, touché |
| 00:01.55 | aokaze | npx why do you say kate is better? sorry for questioning but I like to be informed |
| 00:01.57 | npx | hehe, I haven't used bluefish in ages |
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| 00:02.12 | dud | bluefish is stable and powerful |
| 00:02.14 | npx | aokaze for me it's the function/div element collapsing |
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| 00:02.16 | gurubie | CtrlAltDel: I really am not scared of Sid (GURUbie), it the darn time. |
| 00:02.21 | npx | Helps me sort through nested div hackery with ease |
| 00:02.22 | paulswm | streuner: hey, fish and chips is great, only here in the US I have to cook it myself if I want it done right :) |
| 00:02.43 | npx | and it also has a nice python class browser that I use a lot |
| 00:02.48 | dud | highlighting in almost any language, regexp replace optionally mulitple docs, tabs etc |
| 00:02.51 | CtrlAltDel | took me 20 mins from burning the cd to finishing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 00:03.02 | npx | yeah kate has all that too =P |
| 00:03.08 | aokaze | thanks npx |
| 00:03.10 | Dabian | dud: Powerful? |
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| 00:03.16 | paulswm | so does gvim |
| 00:03.20 | dud | id say so... |
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| 00:03.26 | aokaze | hmmm bluefish seems to be an html editor |
| 00:03.31 | npx | and kvim for that matter |
| 00:03.42 | npx | aokaze it works for other stuff too |
| 00:03.44 | paulswm | aokaze: you prolly want something like gvim |
| 00:03.56 | streuner | paulswm: you ever ate 'Saumagen'? |
| 00:03.57 | dud | primarily its for web content, but it has highlighting for most scripting languages and c/cpp |
| 00:04.01 | Pecas | hello... |
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| 00:04.12 | Dabian | dud: Well .. I am new to that world .. I like the program .. but I use Emacs for most stuff myself. |
| 00:04.12 | gurubie | CtrlAltDel: Yes and it's only your thousanth time installing it. :) |
| 00:04.16 | Pecas | i'm from argentina... i'm 17 ... |
| 00:04.18 | rabautz | Hi! 3 pcs. one with winXP, two with debian. Is it possible to build one big virtual network share? kind of samba-raid? |
| 00:04.20 | paulswm | streuner: no idea, certainly not by that name |
| 00:04.26 | CtrlAltDel | actually first time usuing this new debian installer ;) |
| 00:04.28 | streuner | Pecas: /topic |
| 00:04.33 | aokaze | dpkg Package 'gvim' does not exist. |
| 00:04.33 | dpkg | aokaze: I give up, what is it? |
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| 00:04.50 | Pecas | i'm from argentina.. |
| 00:05.02 | dud | this channel distracts me from my tasks hehe |
| 00:05.03 | paulswm | aokaze: the package is vim |
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| 00:05.05 | npx | argentina is a shithole |
| 00:05.12 | dud | everone be silent for an hour or two >_< |
| 00:05.14 | gurubie | CtrlAltDel: Well this is the first time for me on THIS installer too. :) |
| 00:05.30 | green_earz | Pecas: are you runing debain ? |
| 00:05.44 | gurubie | It beats the heck out of 3.0 so much has indeed improved. |
| 00:05.54 | Pecas | i really don't know whay i'm here.. |
| 00:05.58 | Magnus-swe_ | npx: thats not a very nice thing to say |
| 00:05.58 | dud | exim can work as a smtp server cant it? |
| 00:06.04 | Pecas | why.. |
| 00:06.07 | aokaze | hmmm not realy too fond of VI as it is |
| 00:06.08 | gurubie | Still what's up with kdm restarting on accepted password? |
| 00:06.17 | Ronin | Pecas: normally you come here as you run linux, speciflcally debian and have questions |
| 00:06.30 | npx | Magnus-swe_ 1.) get rid of all the clones man tab-completing you is a mental exercise |
| 00:06.38 | npx | and yeah I prolly coulda worded that a bit better |
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| 00:06.51 | npx | how about... If I were a professional feces distributor, argentina would be my base of operations |
| 00:06.54 | Magnus-swe_ | npx: ok |
| 00:06.56 | paulswm | aokaze: but vi/vim/gvim is somewhat arcane, and has its passionate supporters and opponents, so you may not like using it, as the learning cureve is a bit steep |
| 00:07.05 | Pecas | yeap.... I'm tring to decide which carrere should i take... |
| 00:07.10 | Magnus-swe_ | npx: not ok |
| 00:07.16 | NeedingHelp | agggghhh i hate coming back to linux, i always leave it sooo long and then nothing works :( |
| 00:07.19 | npx | Pecas, feces distributor! |
| 00:07.25 | dud | Pecas, I *really* think you're in the wrong channel hehe |
| 00:07.29 | dud | waaaay wrong |
| 00:07.31 | Pecas | yes.. |
| 00:07.34 | TheStar | aokaze: The learning curve *is* steep, but if you use it, you'll appreciate it's shortcuts. |
| 00:07.36 | Ronin | got dumped by an argentinan girl npx? |
| 00:07.41 | npx | hahaha |
| 00:07.42 | Pecas | i've noticed that... |
| 00:07.45 | Magnus-swe_ | lol |
| 00:07.47 | npx | I wish |
| 00:08.05 | NeedingHelp | anyone able to help me get my Geforce6800 to work? |
| 00:08.10 | streuner__ | paulswm: http://www.dw-world.de/dwelle/allgemein/bilder_show/0,3772,31326_1,00.jpg |
| 00:08.10 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 00:08.10 | dpkg | nano blows |
| 00:08.12 | Magnus-swe_ | Pecas: send in some hot chicks :) |
| 00:08.13 | npx | 'the channel..she is wrong...but what can I do?' |
| 00:08.32 | aokaze | I am still learning linux as much as I can but I would trade vi for pico for the ease |
| 00:08.33 | Pecas | jaja i don't know... |
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| 00:08.48 | Pecas | i feel stupid.. |
| 00:08.50 | NeedingHelp | join #linux |
| 00:08.50 | gurubie | Any clue why kdm restarts (to kdm) after accepted password? |
| 00:08.54 | paulswm | no shit |
| 00:09.01 | dud | whats the preferred pop3 server for you guys? |
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| 00:09.09 | dud | a low content server.. |
| 00:09.11 | dud | qpopper? |
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| 00:09.23 | giupy | what do you think about ecs g900 ? |
| 00:09.24 | pimpwell | how many CDs is debian installation files for x86 |
| 00:09.40 | paulswm | streuner__: Looks like some sort of burger, it's not spam is it? |
| 00:09.45 | npx | pimpwell 0.25 |
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| 00:09.46 | wRd | pimp: 7 |
| 00:09.50 | aokaze | I have much more to learn about linux then how to figure out how to run vi |
| 00:09.59 | NeedingHelp | can anyone help with a gforce 6800 on a new debain install? |
| 00:10.05 | pimpwell | it aint 7 |
| 00:10.09 | green_earz | aokaze: check out nano for a text editor |
| 00:10.14 | HiSPeed | aokaze, i hope orthography is on your todo list as well |
| 00:10.17 | pimpwell | I just want to setup a server |
| 00:10.19 | pimpwell | and asterisk |
| 00:10.22 | HiSPeed | ;) |
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| 00:10.36 | npx | The net install CD is ~200MB |
| 00:10.44 | aokaze | I already have pico/nano |
| 00:11.04 | wRd | then where is the problem ? |
| 00:11.06 | TheStar | aokaze: If your happy with those, keep them. |
| 00:11.06 | Pecas | npx,how old are you???.... here... i feel like i'm talking with older people... |
| 00:11.17 | Magnus-swe_ | Pecas: \r\n! |
| 00:11.17 | TheStar | aokaze: Some people like regexp search and replace, and all that. |
| 00:11.18 | npx | I'm 20 |
| 00:11.29 | paulswm | aokaze: it really depends on how much text editing you do, vi (or the gvim variant) is certainly the best programmer's editor IMHO |
| 00:11.36 | dud | I'm so ancient... I'm almost 22 years old :/ |
| 00:11.37 | Pecas | ah.... mmm sorry... |
| 00:11.38 | npx | Destitute 20-year-old linux user, walking cliche, at your service |
| 00:11.41 | uGexe | I have been trying to get an ISDN card installed for a long time now and I just can't get it to work. Is there any sort of automatic setup script? |
| 00:11.43 | dud | yesterdays news |
| 00:11.50 | Pecas | jaja |
| 00:12.00 | Pecas | why doy you use this place?? |
| 00:12.18 | HiSPeed | paulswm, vi? *shudders* you can trigger my primal instinct for flight with vi.. if anything it has to be viM (as in Vi IMproved) ;) |
| 00:12.19 | wRd | so , theres my problem: |
| 00:12.25 | npx | Pecas, to get/give help for a free operating system (sorta like Windows) - check out www.debian.org |
| 00:12.26 | paulswm | Pecas: this is a channel for discussing a computer operating system, you are in the wrong place |
| 00:12.39 | gurubie | ...it's anoying as ____ ! Hey we could always go back to the beloved dselect. :) |
| 00:12.44 | TheStar | What's a walking cliche? |
| 00:12.50 | streuner__ | paulswm: its out of a stommach (pig) |
| 00:12.52 | dud | could it be that dpkg-reconfigure wont work through ssh? |
| 00:12.55 | npx | TheStar your mom! |
| 00:13.00 | npx | =D |
| 00:13.06 | Pecas | yes i know that i'm in the wrong place... |
| 00:13.14 | Pecas | but i like it.. |
| 00:13.14 | streuner__ | paulswm: s/stommach/stomach/ |
| 00:13.22 | FieldySnuts | @lart Pecas |
| 00:13.32 | paulswm | HiSPeed: vi, vim, gvim..., vi is a good generic and more universal way of referring to it |
| 00:13.44 | HiSPeed | paulswm, vi is crap |
| 00:13.44 | HiSPeed | hehe |
| 00:13.50 | streuner__ | paulswm: sounds wild, but it taste really good ;-) |
| 00:13.54 | paulswm | streuner: I'll give that a miss, then :) |
| 00:14.05 | Pecas | so if i talk in spanish you wouldn't understand??? |
| 00:14.09 | wRd | i have once tried to install gnome , when my lvm was not yet running, and it ran out of diskspace. now since im finished , i get weird dpkg-configre segfaults , when it tries to run dpkg --configure |
| 00:14.10 | Pecas | jejeje |
| 00:14.18 | HiSPeed | paulswm, or.. let s start to become mean at this point... the "secured" version of vi |
| 00:14.26 | npx | Pecas, you can go be offtopic in spanish in #debian-br |
| 00:14.35 | paulswm | HiSPeed: I give up, you appear to be misunderstanding me |
| 00:14.36 | npx | and they probably won't understand you |
| 00:14.36 | Pecas | no.. |
| 00:14.40 | npx | but wtf why not? |
| 00:14.45 | TheStar | Why do many programs, such as qpopper, databases, squid, have to manage their own set of passwords? |
| 00:14.49 | HiSPeed | paulswm, like eg. the one on nethack.alt.org .. leaving out ALL the good features, only leaving the CRAP features at your command |
| 00:14.49 | Pecas | i've said tthat i like here... |
| 00:15.19 | npx | paulswm I think you misunderstand him - he's trying to say that vi is for old koreans |
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| 00:15.33 | paulswm | npx: ha ha ha |
| 00:15.43 | HiSPeed | npx, lol |
| 00:15.53 | Magnus-swe_ | naah, thats OlKvi :) |
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| 00:16.03 | paulswm | npx: all I said was that I used vi to gererically refer to it and its variants |
| 00:16.05 | npx | I won't use any editor whose functionality revolves around colons |
| 00:16.17 | Gathond_ | npx: your loss :) |
| 00:16.24 | npx | paulswm I'm just kidding =) |
| 00:16.25 | paulswm | npx: that is kind of a disgusting picture, really |
| 00:16.26 | wRd | it tells me dpkg: error processing gnome-system-tools (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 139 (this is in cid) |
| 00:16.32 | Pecas | me voy |
| 00:16.37 | paulswm | npx: yeah I know |
| 00:16.44 | boklm_ | is there anywhere I can download the debian default kernel .config file for 2.4.27 ? |
| 00:17.00 | streuner__ | boklm_: get the kernel-image |
| 00:17.02 | dondelelcaro | boklm_: it's in the 2.4.27 package. |
| 00:17.04 | gravity | wRd: Is there some error above it that tells you something more interesting? |
| 00:17.07 | paulswm | boklm_: it's in the kernel-image package |
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| 00:17.13 | dondelelcaro | wRd: the postrm script for gnome-system-tools failed. add set -x to the top of the postrm script, and rerun it. |
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| 00:17.41 | boklm_ | yes, but I wanted to know if there was a way to get it without downloading the kernel-image :) |
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| 00:17.59 | Hezik | hello :) |
| 00:18.01 | wRd | ok , where is the postrm script located? |
| 00:18.07 | boklm_ | but I'll do this |
| 00:18.15 | dondelelcaro | wRd: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-systel-tools.postrm |
| 00:18.19 | streuner__ | wRd: /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 00:18.21 | paulswm | boklm_: unless you can find someone kind enough to zip it and send it to you :) |
| 00:18.22 | dondelelcaro | s/systel/system/ |
| 00:18.32 | wRd | k |
| 00:18.47 | oskie | how do you convert 1/2.7 inch into the metric system (mm for instance)? |
| 00:18.47 | Hezik | I'm trying to install debian on a machine where windows is already installed. I want to dual boot. there is a SATA-raid 0 on a SIL3112 controller.. |
| 00:18.56 | Hezik | now i want to modprobe the medley module or silraid |
| 00:19.01 | Hezik | and it sais: no such device |
| 00:19.05 | Hezik | anyone got any ideas on that? |
| 00:19.09 | npx | boklm_ it'd be sorta useless without a debian kernel source tree (larger download than the kernel image) |
| 00:19.10 | Ikarus | oskie: for what purpose ? |
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| 00:19.20 | paulswm | oskie: 1 inch = 2.54 cm |
| 00:19.25 | streuner__ | Hezik: what kernel do you use actually? |
| 00:19.34 | boklm_ | npx: yes, I aldready downloaded a kernel source tree |
| 00:19.36 | oskie | Ikarus: CCDs are usually measured in fraction of an inch in digital cameras |
| 00:19.42 | wRd | that seemed to work. brb |
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| 00:19.46 | Hezik | don't know for sure, i downloaded the netinstall image today.. it uses something like 2.4.27 |
| 00:19.48 | oskie | paulswm: yeah but 1/2.7 inch isn't 1/2.7 * 2.54 cm |
| 00:19.50 | dondelelcaro | oskie: you mean 1/2 inch? |
| 00:19.58 | oskie | dondelelcaro: no |
| 00:20.03 | Ikarus | oskie: look up the European websites for them |
| 00:20.08 | Ikarus | oskie: they mention the real size :P |
| 00:20.09 | dondelelcaro | oskie: nothing will be measured in 10 27ths of an inch |
| 00:20.11 | npx | boklm_ a _debian_ kernel source tree? debian's kernels are patched - the .config from a debian kernel probably won't work on a mainline kernel |
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| 00:20.20 | streuner__ | Hezik: try linux26 |
| 00:20.23 | dondelelcaro | oskie: that is, unless someone is on crack |
| 00:20.29 | Hezik | streuner nope.. |
| 00:20.36 | streuner__ | Hezik: and /j #debian-boot |
| 00:20.42 | Hezik | 2.6 kernel has no support for sata raid 0 on sil3112 |
| 00:20.52 | streuner__ | well |
| 00:20.57 | Hezik | i can use the drivers on 2.6 but only seperate.. it doesnt see the raid container |
| 00:21.03 | paulswm | oskie: like I said, 1 inch is 2.54 cm |
| 00:21.05 | streuner__ | Hezik: if its not in 2.6 you are fscked |
| 00:21.07 | boklm_ | npx: yes, a kernel-source package |
| 00:21.28 | Hezik | not really streuner, it's in 2.4 and it should work with the medley module, wich is present on the CD |
| 00:21.41 | oskie | dondelelcaro: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/S1IS/canon-powershot-s1-IS-DAT.HTM look for 1/2.7" |
| 00:21.44 | Hezik | but ill join debian boot again, though last time i tried noone was actually talking there |
| 00:22.11 | oskie | paulswm: so 1/2.7 inch is 1/2.7 * 2.54 cm? |
| 00:22.22 | streuner__ | Hezik: you should have a better chance in the evenings and weekends... |
| 00:22.23 | npx | anyone know if /etc/hotplug/blacklist supports wildcards? |
| 00:22.30 | dondelelcaro | oskie: I think they mean 1x2.7" |
| 00:22.33 | Hezik | evenings in what timezone? |
| 00:22.46 | streuner__ | Hezik: i guess in your tz |
| 00:22.53 | dondelelcaro | oskie: or something... since that measurement makes no sense at all. |
| 00:22.54 | npx | Hezik the only one that counts - CST baby |
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| 00:23.02 | paulswm | oskie: I don't understand what 1/2.7 means, BUT ONE INCH IS TWO POINT FIVE FOUR CENTIMETERS |
| 00:23.50 | wRd | hope this is the last question: where do i find out how to fix .postrm or configure scripts.. apt-howto or do i have to lookup those things in the maintainers guide ? |
| 00:24.20 | streuner__ | Hezik: did you search on the ML's? |
| 00:24.26 | Hezik | ml's? |
| 00:24.33 | dondelelcaro | wRd: if you add set -x to the top of the script, you'll get output that'll tell you exactly where it's failing. |
| 00:24.36 | Dabian | Hmm .. how do I burn audio cd's without scsi-emulation? |
| 00:24.36 | streuner__ | Hezik: Mailing-Lists |
| 00:24.40 | npx | mailing lists |
| 00:24.42 | Hezik | ah yes i did |
| 00:24.44 | dondelelcaro | wRd: if you paste the output using paster (or into #flood) we'll be able to assist you. |
| 00:24.56 | Hezik | they all say that the medley module should work |
| 00:25.01 | streuner__ | Hezik: try debian-ISP? |
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| 00:25.10 | Hezik | as in the channel? |
| 00:25.17 | streuner__ | no as in ML |
| 00:25.17 | Hezik | or as in mailing-list? |
| 00:25.26 | Dabian | Hmm .. how do I burn audio cd's without scsi-emulation? (x-cdroast claims that I *need* scsi emulation, but I think I heard in this channel that its not really needed). |
| 00:25.37 | wRd | ic ... |
| 00:25.40 | Hezik | where do i find that streuner? |
| 00:25.58 | npx | Dabian you specify ATAPI mode or whatever to cdrecord |
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| 00:26.00 | streuner__ | Hezik: www.debian.org ? |
| 00:26.14 | npx | I think that yields shitty performance, though |
| 00:26.16 | wRd | ok |
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| 00:26.28 | Dabian | Do I need another program or something? Gcombust also tells cdrecord that its a scsi cdwriter. |
| 00:26.32 | streuner__ | Hezik: you could use groups.google.com, of course too |
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| 00:26.43 | Hezik | that one i did search already streuner |
| 00:26.49 | wRd | so postinst: is the configure script |
| 00:26.52 | Dabian | npx: You use cdrecord directly? |
| 00:26.54 | npx | I don't know, dabian |
| 00:27.04 | npx | I have, yes |
| 00:27.11 | Dabian | heh :) |
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| 00:27.14 | streuner__ | Hezik: or just subsribe to the ML |
| 00:27.25 | npx | I don't burn CDs very often |
| 00:27.26 | Hezik | the medley module should work, after modprobing siimage.. but it still sais no such device.. booting with noacpi could work.. gonna try that |
| 00:27.44 | npx | (dial-up) |
| 00:27.47 | Dabian | Well, I wouldn't have to teach my father how to use command-line cdrecord - he doesn't read english that well ;-) |
| 00:27.53 | paulswm | Dabian: you can use cdrecord |
| 00:27.59 | sh4 | hi, i have a integrated chipset sound (vt8237), i am under debian sid with 2.6.10 kernel, i have the module "via82xx" loaded & alsa installed, permissions set to /dev/dsp, the user added to "audio", the volumen set by alsamixer... & i cant hear anything yet :( anyone can help me? thanks |
| 00:28.13 | Dabian | npx: I also seldom burn. I dropped scsi-emulation long before christmas. |
| 00:28.17 | npx | Dabian, I've used k3b with decent results |
| 00:28.23 | Dabian | paulswm: No frontend? |
| 00:28.25 | Dabian | oh .. k3b |
| 00:28.37 | npx | And iirc it does let you specify what options you pass to cdrecord |
| 00:28.50 | paulswm | Dabian: I don't use one, I'm unimpressed with the clunky front ends |
| 00:28.54 | npx | but it's been months since I messed with it, so I'm not sure |
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| 00:29.05 | npx | paulswm k3b was surprisingly okay, if limited |
| 00:29.13 | Hezik | anyways streuner thanks for the help.. gonna go into battle again, been battling this for like 6 hours now.. didn't come here without searching first ;) |
| 00:29.21 | npx | but for the most part it does feel klunky =( |
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| 00:29.31 | sandstorm | how can i free a specific port that still keeps communication, even though i ve already closed the software that uses that port? // i dont want to reboot the machine. // theres nothing working that listens the port, guess the other side keeps communicating.. |
| 00:29.53 | paulswm | npx: yes, you tell cdrecord ATAPI and reverence the device like /dev/hdc but I can't remember off the top of my head the exact syntax |
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| 00:30.38 | npx | The syntax is wacky |
| 00:30.51 | streuner__ | Hezik: well, if you read the FAQ you can ask anytime here first ;-) |
| 00:31.03 | paulswm | Dabian: I think X cd-roast will let you use it as ATAPI |
| 00:31.07 | dondelelcaro | npx: you just cdrecord -dev ATAPI -scanbus; then input the proper numbers... |
| 00:31.15 | uruboro | i have ATAPI:0,0,0 for my internal cd/dvd burner on a tibook |
| 00:31.24 | npx | ahh, that's right |
| 00:31.25 | strubbel | paulswm: depends on the kernel you're using |
| 00:31.55 | wRd | ok |
| 00:32.13 | sh4 | hi, i have a integrated chipset sound (vt8237), i am under debian sid with 2.6.10 kernel, i have the module "via82xx" loaded & alsa installed, permissions set to /dev/dsp, the user added to "audio", the volumen set by alsamixer... & i cant hear anything yet :( anyone can help me? thanks |
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| 00:32.56 | wRd | so after adding set -x to gnome-sytem-tools.postinst it displays a Segmentation fault after +which scrollkeeper-update |
| 00:33.08 | dvs | sh4: wouldn't the ALSA module be snd_via82xx? |
| 00:33.13 | strubbel | sh4: do you have a second soundcard installed? |
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| 00:33.45 | borsodi | at last qmail installed. thanks for the help. the actual install took about 10 minutes, without a couple of hours wondering why mail was being queued (because of a duff .qmail file). *doh* |
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| 00:33.57 | paulswm | you can do something like: cdrecord -v dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc ... |
| 00:34.00 | sh4 | dvs: no |
| 00:34.19 | sh4 | oops |
| 00:34.21 | sh4 | strubbel: no |
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| 00:34.24 | sh4 | dvs see |
| 00:34.25 | Dabian | npx: It crashed on me :) |
| 00:34.25 | sh4 | bluedie:/proc# modprobe -l *snd_via82* |
| 00:34.25 | sh4 | /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko |
| 00:34.29 | Dabian | npx: I'll try again though :) |
| 00:34.30 | dvs | sh4: aur u sure? |
| 00:34.58 | sh4 | this must work no? :O ive readed that on alsa webpage |
| 00:35.01 | npx | Dabian what did? |
| 00:35.12 | paulswm | well, off to eat pizza and watch Joan of Arcadia, you all stay safe now, y'hear? |
| 00:35.23 | Dabian | npx: k3b did. |
| 00:35.30 | dataw0lf | No problem, cowboy. |
| 00:35.35 | dvs | sh4: what are you using to test the sound? |
| 00:35.44 | sh4 | dvs: xmms qith alsa output |
| 00:35.52 | sh4 | *with |
| 00:35.52 | npx | hahah Dabian figures |
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| 00:36.04 | dvs | sh4: does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work? |
| 00:36.08 | npx | I recommend a piece of software and upstream is like "TIME TO INTRODUCE BUGS!" |
| 00:36.20 | sandstorm | how can i free a specific port that still keeps communication, even though i ve already closed the software that uses that port? // i dont want to reboot the machine. // theres nothing working that listens the port, guess the other side keeps communicating.. |
| 00:36.25 | sh4 | lets see |
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| 00:36.31 | strubbel | sh4: would you like to cat /proc/interrupts to flood? |
| 00:36.52 | cureless | sandstorm, is your computer sending on the port? |
| 00:36.55 | sh4 | strubbel: ok :) |
| 00:36.59 | sandstorm | cureless: yes. |
| 00:37.05 | sandstorm | cureless: uploading data i guess. |
| 00:37.08 | cureless | sandstorm, so you have something open. |
| 00:37.40 | sandstorm | cureless: i am using aMule even though i do 'killall amule' the port 4662 wont get be freed |
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| 00:37.52 | cureless | netstat -apne --inet | grep 4662 |
| 00:38.04 | sh4 | dvs: i exexute |
| 00:38.07 | sh4 | but dont do anything |
| 00:38.09 | sh4 | :S |
| 00:38.21 | sandstorm | cureless: any ideas how can i stop uploading ? |
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| 00:38.27 | dvs | sh4: do you have the snd_pcm_oss module loaded? |
| 00:38.37 | sh4 | mmm |
| 00:38.42 | cureless | sandstorm, netstat -apne --inet | grep 4662, see what application is running, kill it (kill -9) |
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| 00:38.44 | sandstorm | hold on |
| 00:38.47 | strubbel | sh4: its ok |
| 00:38.57 | sh4 | bluedie:/proc# modprobe -l *snd_pcm_oss* |
| 00:38.58 | sh4 | /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/sound/core/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko |
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| 00:39.04 | sh4 | why dont works then? :( |
| 00:39.16 | dvs | sh4: lsmod | grep via82xx |
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| 00:39.24 | wRd | here's the configure script error in floood |
| 00:39.36 | sh4 | dvs: look in flood |
| 00:39.36 | sh4 | :) |
| 00:39.37 | veleno | is there some kicker-like bar for flwm ? |
| 00:39.43 | sandstorm | cureless: lots of ip's seen on the screen. so what should i do |
| 00:40.06 | cureless | at the right hand side it should tell you what application has the port open |
| 00:40.26 | dabreegster | I've installed visualboyadvance, an emulator. By default, it uses SDL. The FAQ page says that the SDL_VIDEODRIVER env. variable can be set, so I tried: SDL_VIDEODRIVER="svgalib"; export SDL_VIDEODRIVER |
| 00:40.30 | sandstorm | cureless: an example line: tcp 0 0 195.174.224.51:4662 83.27.33.15:3627 SYN_RECV 1000 0 - |
| 00:40.31 | dvs | sh4: I dunno then. The only other thing I can think of is the mixer. |
| 00:40.40 | cureless | sandstorm, are you running as root? |
| 00:40.43 | sh4 | the mixer is vol up |
| 00:40.47 | sh4 | :/ |
| 00:40.48 | dabreegster | It doesn't seem to recognize it. I can't find anything in the Makefile about SDL_VIDEODRIVER. Anybody know what to do? |
| 00:40.55 | dvs | sh4: But is it unmuted? |
| 00:40.58 | sandstorm | cureless: have the root privileges but not on root now. |
| 00:41.12 | cureless | sandstorm, run the command as root so it tells you the app/pid. |
| 00:41.15 | sh4 | nope |
| 00:41.21 | sandstorm | cureless: ok hold on pls |
| 00:41.57 | sh4 | oh wait |
| 00:41.58 | sh4 | :S |
| 00:42.26 | cureless | sandstorm, are they all SYN_RECV? |
| 00:42.57 | sandstorm | cureless: half is SYN_RECV half is CLOSE_WAIT |
| 00:42.59 | dabreegster | it says something about SDL env. variables.. |
| 00:43.31 | sandstorm | cureless: only application name was mplayer i do killall mplayer and its done, youre my saviour how can i thank you |
| 00:43.40 | wRd | so |
| 00:44.04 | wRd | i found out , that scrollkeeper-update -q segfaults ... |
| 00:44.05 | cureless | sandstorm, ? So it was mplayer? Tje SYN_RECV is the other nodes in the network trying to connect to you. |
| 00:44.13 | cureless | s/Tje/The/ |
| 00:44.25 | sh4 | dvs: done |
| 00:44.32 | sh4 | :) |
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| 00:44.38 | sh4 | thanks very much both |
| 00:44.44 | sandstorm | cureless: let me tell the story |
| 00:44.46 | dvs | sh4: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" and plug your ears. |
| 00:44.54 | sh4 | yep yep done |
| 00:44.55 | sh4 | =) |
| 00:45.02 | sh4 | thks men |
| 00:45.02 | sh4 | ;) |
| 00:45.07 | dvs | !smite sh4 for not unmuting the sound |
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| 00:45.31 | sh4 | haha |
| 00:45.33 | borsodi | tschus |
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| 00:45.49 | MrKeuner | which modules do I need to install for a usb mouse in kernel 2.6.9? |
| 00:45.50 | npx | omfg |
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| 00:46.05 | npx | some guy in my family (who I've never met) is a hardcore emo guitarist =( |
| 00:46.07 | sandstorm | cureless: i am using aMule, when i preview something downloading, it uses mplayer and it sometimes crashes and doesnt respond. so when this happens my 4662 port hangs. so it causes problems on the next execution of aMule. |
| 00:46.13 | TheStar | Once I've set dpkg's selections, how do I actually install the programs? |
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| 00:46.39 | dabreegster | Anybody familiar with visual boy advance? |
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| 00:46.46 | teprrr | mmh, hello.. anyone knows what could cause broken rmb? |
| 00:46.58 | sandstorm | sandstorm: actually its weird that mplayer causes that port hanging issue. |
| 00:47.00 | cureless | sandstorm, that's what you get for previewing stuff |
| 00:47.00 | caphuso | TheStar: apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 00:47.04 | MrKeuner | TheStar/ dselect / install |
| 00:47.04 | teprrr | I need to press mod key (control, shift) to access it... |
| 00:47.54 | sandstorm | cureless: ;) so you tell me not to preview stuff ? :) |
| 00:47.54 | christor | PLeasee i m searcching how to disable the IPV6? |
| 00:47.54 | cureless | sandstorm, mplayer probable causes amule to wait (for it to finish) which in turn makes amule not release the port. |
| 00:47.54 | TheStar | Thanks. |
| 00:47.54 | npx | http://www.caudill.org/images/caudcoat2.jpg - hahaha my famiy's coat of arms |
| 00:47.54 | npx | err misfire |
| 00:47.58 | sandstorm | cureless: but i do killall amule, and it doesnt release the port still |
| 00:48.21 | cureless | sandstorm, 'cause it's waiting for the child process to exit. |
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| 00:48.42 | fawkesuk | if i want to install debian, do i need all 6 cds before i start? |
| 00:48.48 | dvs | fawkesuk: no |
| 00:48.49 | cureless | fawkesuk, no |
| 00:48.58 | dvs | fawkesuk: do you have a fast internet connection? |
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| 00:49.03 | sandstorm | cureless: i cant see the name in ps -aux |grep amule but when i did netstat.... it shows the pid as '-' |
| 00:49.12 | fawkesuk | dsl, but not very fast |
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| 00:49.29 | dvs | fawkesuk: Good enough. Use the net install cd. |
| 00:49.31 | cureless | fawkesuk, do you plan on downloading the cds? |
| 00:49.44 | fawkesuk | i am with bittorrent at the moment |
| 00:49.59 | fawkesuk | curless; hafta wait another 7 hours tho |
| 00:50.02 | cureless | fawkesuk, skip downloading the cds, install via the net. |
| 00:50.19 | sandstorm | cureless: but the point is, i figured out why the problem occurs with the help of your precious care and knowledge, i appreciate that. |
| 00:50.35 | fawkesuk | cureless; would jigdo be faster than bittorrent? |
| 00:50.41 | christor | Please is the IPV6 is enabling by default on sarge?? |
| 00:50.53 | fawkesuk | ok, i'll look for the network cd |
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| 00:50.58 | cureless | sandstorm, no prob, glad to be of help. You might want to "preview" the stuff by manually going to .xMule/Temp and running mplayer on the .part file. (or .aMule or whatever) |
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| 00:51.08 | dvs | fawkesuk: preferably sarge's net install |
| 00:51.18 | Seb | what's a simple command-line way to compress big JPG a little bit more ? |
| 00:51.27 | fawkesuk | dvs; how stable is testing? |
| 00:51.28 | cureless | fawkesuk, you can install off of a usb key too. |
| 00:51.41 | dvs | fawkesuk: I've never had a problem with testing. |
| 00:51.44 | cureless | Seb, compress as in quality? use mogrify. |
| 00:51.49 | TheStar | Or rather, I reckon that ports should be assigned to partiticular users. |
| 00:51.56 | fawkesuk | dunno if my old computer bios supports booting off usb key tho |
| 00:52.04 | cureless | TheLaw, what? |
| 00:52.08 | sandstorm | cureless: that's what i gonna do next time, i was aware of that solution but was prefering the embedded previewing. thanks alot |
| 00:52.19 | FieldySnuts | TheStar: you're clueless. |
| 00:52.26 | FieldySnuts | @clue TheStar |
| 00:52.32 | Seb | cureless: k |
| 00:52.35 | cureless | fawkesuk, get a netinstall cd. |
| 00:52.51 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: I am, but at the least tell me what's wrong with it? |
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| 00:53.08 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: Daemons that run as root can be considered to be a security issue. |
| 00:53.10 | dabreegster | Anybody know of a good Game Boy Advance emulator for svgalib? |
| 00:53.17 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: Applications that need to bind to a low port must run as root. |
| 00:53.34 | cureless | TheStar, only root can bind to "low" ports. That's the normal case. There are "ways" of normal users to bind to low ports, they are not standard. |
| 00:53.41 | TheStar | FieldySnuts: High ports are often used for communication, so you can't (reliably) block those. |
| 00:54.01 | sandstorm | cureless: i got to leave, thanks for your care, have a nice day. |
| 00:54.04 | TheStar | cureless: Wouldn't it be advantagious to have an ACL on ports? |
| 00:54.06 | cureless | sandstorm, later. |
| 00:54.12 | fawkesuk | cureless; netinst is 100MB ! |
| 00:54.19 | cureless | TheStar, that's part of the other ways. |
| 00:54.20 | dvs | fawkesuk: yup |
| 00:54.32 | fawkesuk | that's gonna take ages |
| 00:54.34 | TheStar | cureless: Ahh. Where can I read about this? |
| 00:54.37 | kirbymeister | fawkesuk: If you have a broadband, then write off the net-install floppies to floppy disks |
| 00:54.38 | cureless | fawkesuk, that's a minimal install CD. It can install the minimal system. There are smaller images too. |
| 00:54.54 | dvs | fawkesuk: How slow is your DSL connection? |
| 00:55.10 | fawkesuk | my download is at 10K at the mo |
| 00:55.36 | cureless | TheStar, I don't have references for you, but there is work on ACLs and capabilities to allow non roots to bind to low ports. I haven't looked into those since I haven't needed to. Start in google. |
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| 00:55.49 | fawkesuk | a wait, its getting faster after switching off bittorrent |
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| 00:57.59 | cureless | fawkesuk, you can also use the businesscard cd (d-i) it's about 34 Megs. |
| 00:58.16 | fawkesuk | er, where do i find that. |
| 00:58.26 | TheStar | cureless: Ok, but thanks :) |
| 00:58.38 | cureless | fawkesuk, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:58.46 | Lonnie | One quick question, where does deb put the apache home pages? |
| 00:58.52 | cureless | fawkesuk, maybe I should have asked what debian you want to install |
| 00:59.28 | fawkesuk | is there a difference? i can just apt-get whatever i want afterwards.... |
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| 00:59.40 | xerophyte | Does anybody know, how to configure the less to display line numbers in the bottom of the screen ? |
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| 01:00.02 | fawkesuk | cureless; or maybe i am wrong. I am a noob to debian. i am switching over from slackware |
| 01:00.29 | Atropine | Hi everyone, If ext filesystem is supposed to defrag automaticaly, how come there's a tool called "defrag" in debian? |
| 01:00.47 | Atropine | for ext2 and a few others |
| 01:01.00 | fawkesuk | cureless; so i can put this onto a usb key and the computer can boot off it? |
| 01:01.03 | fawkesuk | that is cool |
| 01:01.28 | cureless | yes, see other-images. |
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| 01:01.42 | TheStar | fawkesuk: There are three main versions of debian, stable (woody), testing (sarge) and unstable (sid). You can upgrade, and sarge will soon become "stable", but you *can't* downgrade. |
| 01:02.04 | cureless | fawkesuk, there is a 8 meg mini.iso |
| 01:02.06 | TheStar | fawkesuk: woody has security updates, but it's very outdated. Many use backports.org. |
| 01:02.27 | fawkesuk | i think i will go with sarge |
| 01:02.40 | Atropine | sarge works very well |
| 01:03.05 | fawkesuk | i got a little fed up with slackware cos 10.1 wouldn't be released. i want new packages |
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| 01:03.31 | fawkesuk | so does apt really purr like a cat? |
| 01:03.50 | Atropine | sure it does |
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| 01:04.09 | cureless | apt is not like a cat.... I hate cats |
| 01:04.13 | fawkesuk | what's the hardware detection like for debian? |
| 01:04.21 | fawkesuk | kittens? |
| 01:04.25 | TheStar | fawkesuk: Very much like slackware ;) |
| 01:04.29 | Lonnie | If you want new packages, fawkesuk, Sarge is going to be a litte old for you. |
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| 01:04.44 | cureless | fawkesuk, right now its good. Use discover, d-i will install it for you. |
| 01:04.48 | fawkesuk | TheStar; cool |
| 01:05.03 | fawkesuk | finished downloading |
| 01:05.04 | TheStar | fawkesuk: I meant basically none, compared to redhat. |
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| 01:05.28 | TheStar | fawkesuk: The holy grail of hardware detection is knoppix, I wonder why that doesn't get incoroprated into stock debian (i386 port) |
| 01:05.29 | cureless | no way, discover is pretty good at hardware detection. |
| 01:05.32 | Guerin | ah, bullshit |
| 01:05.41 | Guerin | discover is pretty good |
| 01:05.44 | Guerin | and sarge is not old |
| 01:05.45 | cureless | TheStar, what? |
| 01:05.51 | Guerin | you people are fucking clueless |
| 01:05.54 | fawkesuk | guys, need to verify. |
| 01:05.59 | TheStar | cureless: Obviously, I have not yet known "discover". |
| 01:06.11 | cureless | we've noticed. |
| 01:06.17 | Guerin | TheStar: so why are you talking about it? |
| 01:06.36 | TheStar | Guerin: I talk about what I know, not what I don't know :) |
| 01:06.43 | TheStar | Guerin: Or rather, what I *think* I know :( |
| 01:06.46 | Guerin | TheStar: but you DON'T KNOW about this |
| 01:06.47 | gurubie | No sound in new Sarge CD1 install. ..Just worked with others. Why wasn't it automagic? How do I fix it. |
| 01:07.00 | Guerin | gurubie: what sound card, what kernel? |
| 01:07.14 | cureless | TheStar, what debian are you on? |
| 01:07.25 | wRd | how can i purge gnome with all its depencies from disk, because when i try to remove the metapackage , actually nothing is removed ... |
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| 01:07.33 | resiak | wRd: deb-orphan ? |
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| 01:07.52 | FieldySnuts | @lart ATI |
| 01:07.55 | jorgito-bsas | hola a todos |
| 01:07.57 | Guerin | !remove gnome |
| 01:07.57 | dpkg | it has been said that remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 01:07.58 | gurubie | Trident in the usual module. The Sarge rc2 kernel. 2.6.8 I believe |
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| 01:08.10 | wRd | @guerin: i hav no choice... |
| 01:08.15 | TheStar | cureless: Woody. |
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| 01:08.37 | cureless | TheStar, I'm sorry. :-) |
| 01:08.48 | Guerin | wRd: ? |
| 01:08.55 | TheStar | cureless: With backports :) |
| 01:09.03 | fawkesuk | whats backports? |
| 01:09.03 | TheStar | cureless: It's a server, afterall... |
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| 01:09.23 | TheStar | fawkesuk: .debs of newer programs for woody. |
| 01:09.33 | Lonnie | Well, I see I get the same old shit on this channel, ask a question and get knowing, mention the fact that Sarge isn't going to have all the latest and great packages and get ripped. |
| 01:09.33 | fawkesuk | ok |
| 01:09.36 | TheStar | fawkesuk: Such as samba. |
| 01:09.50 | cureless | TheStar, well, when you get a chance try discover, maybe not on your server since I assume it's already running good, but on your new installs. |
| 01:09.51 | TheStar | Samba 2.2 *sucks* |
| 01:10.10 | TheStar | cureless: I'll give it a go on my desktop, when it's not running winXP. |
| 01:10.12 | wRd | i ran out of diskspace when installing gnome, and i get various error msgs... |
| 01:10.27 | TheStar | *sigh*, I hate dualbooting... |
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| 01:10.44 | resiak | wRd: Why would Guerin mind if you don't use Gnome? *boggle* |
| 01:10.44 | Guerin | Lonnie: sarge is still only a couple weeks behind sid. It's nit frozen yet. You're just talking shit. |
| 01:10.45 | cureless | so why do you boot XP? |
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| 01:11.17 | fawkesuk | omg, it wont boot |
| 01:11.19 | wRd | @kaiser: whatever |
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| 01:11.22 | fawkesuk | dammit |
| 01:11.27 | ec | :/ |
| 01:11.32 | resiak | wRd: [a] What's with the |
| 01:11.35 | resiak | Uh. |
| 01:11.49 | resiak | wRd: [a] What's with the @s? [b] Please use left-to-write scripts ;) |
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| 01:11.55 | kfogel | On IBM ThinkPad T20, trying to do Debian testing (sarge) netinstall, anyone know some boot prompt magic to get it to recognize the PCMCIA networking (cable, not wireless) card? I unfortunately don't have the card specs; it's stuck in the slot and the eject thingies are long-ago broken, sigh. I'm already saying "linux26" at the boot prompt, but suspect I need to add something more. Btw this card is known to work with the Fedora Core 2 that' |
| 01:11.55 | kfogel | s already installed on the box. |
| 01:11.56 | gurubie | OK why did freenode just restart? |
| 01:11.56 | cureless | fawkesuk, what did you download? what did you do with it? |
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| 01:12.07 | Guerin | wRd: good morning. Welcome to #debian. You seem to have joined this channel by mistake. Given your current grip on reality, or lack thereof, I recommend #debian-delusional. |
| 01:12.08 | fawkesuk | businesscard.iso |
| 01:12.14 | Lonnie | That may well be, but I get a lot closer to the cutting edge with Knoppix or Mepis or KANOTIX, all of which have newer packages Guerin. |
| 01:12.28 | wRd | huh? |
| 01:12.29 | Guerin | Lonnie: all of which are NOT DEBIAN. |
| 01:12.31 | veleno | i run fluxbox for the firsttime, and there's something wrong with the size of fonts of the windows, and also when i right-click on desktop, i get too big fonts..how do i configure ? |
| 01:12.32 | cureless | fawkesuk, did you burn it to a cd? |
| 01:12.34 | TheStar | kfogel: Ok, in fc2, do lsstat or something. |
| 01:12.40 | dondelelcaro | Lonnie: generally not, actually... since most of those packages actually come from Debian archives. |
| 01:12.48 | fawkesuk | cureless; yes |
| 01:12.54 | dondelelcaro | Lonnie: but by all means, feel free to use what every you want. |
| 01:12.56 | fawkesuk | cureless; i think i'll try the other oimages |
| 01:13.02 | skel_home | Lonnie: why don't you try debian from scratch? |
| 01:13.06 | Guerin | Lonnie: and since they're based on sarge... |
| 01:13.08 | gurubie | Was that my connection or does freenode do that? |
| 01:13.10 | kfogel | TheStar: thank you, will do. How will I translate the output to something I should type at the Debian install boot prompt? (Or will that be obvious?) |
| 01:13.14 | dondelelcaro | debian from scratch? /me boggles |
| 01:13.17 | skel_home | Lonnie: maintain your own repositories.. and see how far you get |
| 01:13.18 | cureless | fawkesuk, and it doesn't boot? at all? is your Bios set to boot from CD? Did you burn it as an image (not a file)? |
| 01:13.27 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's John Goerzen's thing |
| 01:13.37 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I think it's his answer to Gentoo |
| 01:13.44 | dondelelcaro | gravity: oh, apt-build you mean? |
| 01:13.49 | Lonnie | Hey, I came in here looking for info on where Debian puts the apache home pages, got nothing. |
| 01:13.54 | fawkesuk | cureless; yea, checked the obvious |
| 01:13.56 | dondelelcaro | Lonnie: /var/www |
| 01:14.01 | gurubie | How do I fix sound? |
| 01:14.01 | skel_home | dondelelcaro: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/dfs.html |
| 01:14.02 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It might use apt-build, I'm not sure... I just remember him announcing it on -devel a while back |
| 01:14.04 | Lonnie | I want to set up a Debian server. |
| 01:14.06 | cureless | fawkesuk, hmm, weird. |
| 01:14.07 | Guerin | Lonnie: dpkg -L apache |
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| 01:14.16 | gravity | Lonnie: /var/www |
| 01:14.21 | TheStar | kfogel: If lsstat or the like doesn't work, try cat /proc/pci. Essentially your trying to figure out what pcmcia card you have. |
| 01:14.23 | Guerin | Lonnie: /usr/share/doc/apache/* |
| 01:14.26 | TheStar | kfogel: Don't forget to check dmesg |
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| 01:14.28 | Guerin | Lonnie: it's not like it's hard... |
| 01:14.34 | Lonnie | Thanks dondelelcaro, that is what I wanted. |
| 01:14.34 | fawkesuk | i'm trying out mini.iso |
| 01:14.37 | jorgito-bsas | hola a todos, alguien me puede ayudar? |
| 01:14.37 | fawkesuk | whatever that does |
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| 01:14.52 | Guerin | !es |
| 01:14.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:14.54 | chealer | isn't knoppix based on sid? |
| 01:14.58 | resiak | !based on |
| 01:15.03 | TheTom | anyonw know where apt-get install lg-issue69 goes ? |
| 01:15.03 | resiak | Uh. |
| 01:15.12 | cureless | fawkesuk, you have cds to spare or are you using cd-rw? |
| 01:15.12 | resiak | TheTom: dpkg -L lg-issue69 |
| 01:15.15 | gurubie | (still not knowing why the poosnickers Sarge CD1 doesn't set up my sound.) |
| 01:15.17 | Guerin | chealer: it's based on sarge with some sid and some custom stuff |
| 01:15.18 | fawkesuk | cd-rw |
| 01:15.23 | dondelelcaro | chealer: in some sense, yes. But it's usually quite a bit behind sid. |
| 01:15.24 | fawkesuk | its a pain to erase them |
| 01:15.34 | Guerin | gurubie: did you answer my question yet, or would you just prefer to whine? |
| 01:15.39 | chealer | k, anyway I passed the knoppix passion :) |
| 01:15.41 | fawkesuk | hafta do faull erase which takes 15 mins each |
| 01:15.47 | TheTom | resiak: aha. nice. i'll remember that |
| 01:15.51 | kfogel | TheStar: astonishingly, I just tried booting with "linux26 pcmcia" and lo! the network is up. Totally unexpected. I will save your advice in case this success proves unreproducible, however. Thank you. |
| 01:15.52 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: eh? you should just be able to -blank=fast |
| 01:16.05 | gurubie | Q? looking, waaaa. :) |
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| 01:16.31 | fawkesuk | dondelecaro; i tried that before. the new cd sometimes gets errors on it. old data left behind messing up the new stuff. |
| 01:16.33 | TheStar | kfogel: You'll need to know in case you ever compile your own kernel, etc. |
| 01:16.43 | kantai | !noob |
| 01:16.43 | dpkg | i heard noob is < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 01:16.45 | kfogel | TheStar: good point |
| 01:16.52 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: strange. I've never had a problem... but whatever works. |
| 01:17.10 | TheTom | changelog.Debian.gz copyright |
| 01:17.18 | TheTom | huhm |
| 01:17.29 | fawkesuk | dondelelcaro; really? i get it all the time. THat's why burning bad cds pisses me off so much |
| 01:17.29 | chealer | TheTom: if you don't the apt howto is a great ressource |
| 01:17.31 | TheStar | TheTom: What? |
| 01:17.35 | gurubie | Guerin: Hey, I said SiS audio and the Sarge Kernel 2.6.8 |
| 01:18.03 | Guerin | gurubie: ok, I missed it. 'sis audio' is not a sound card or chipset. What does lspci say? |
| 01:18.06 | orchid | TheTom: /usr/share/doc/lg-issue* |
| 01:18.09 | TheStar | fawkesuk: Stop getting cheap cd's. |
| 01:18.13 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: yeah. 'course, I'm not using the cheapest rw media on the planet, and the burner is a scsi plextor, so YMMV. |
| 01:18.24 | TheStar | fawkesuk: Pay a little more, and they'll be more reliable, and last longer. |
| 01:18.27 | gilles | after untar ndiswrapper-source, i got a "module" directory, i moved its content into /lib/module, then ls /lib/module, make and "make install", then modprobe ndiswwrapper says : FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. What step was wrong ? |
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| 01:18.39 | chealer | gurubie: it seems it was your connection |
| 01:18.42 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: were that were so! |
| 01:18.48 | fawkesuk | i'm using eblue and imation |
| 01:18.54 | TheStar | eblue? |
| 01:19.03 | TheTom | orchid: inly a copyright file there |
| 01:19.05 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: unfortunatly, cost doesn't seem to have any obvious relationship that I can dicern to quality... |
| 01:19.05 | fawkesuk | yea, japanese brand i think |
| 01:19.05 | TheStar | imatation should be decent... |
| 01:19.10 | skel_home | nklli0- |
| 01:19.24 | fawkesuk | what are good brands? |
| 01:19.24 | Lonnie | Well thank you gentlemen. I am working on getting rid of Win2003SBS, and since I have never attempted a Linux server, just wanted a few atarting points. |
| 01:19.27 | dondelelcaro | TheTom: dpkg -L lg-issue69; That'll show you where everything goes. |
| 01:19.29 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: True. I got some really cheap cd's about 50cents each, every second one was a dud. |
| 01:19.38 | resiak | gilles: The moving, for starters... If I remember rightly, I untarred, cd'd to the directory that appered, and ran debian/rules binary-module. |
| 01:19.41 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: My friend got a deal getting cd's for 50 cents each... And they're good. |
| 01:19.52 | martman | im wondering if theres a deb install disk(floppy or cd) that works on systems with less than 32mbs. i know it boots and the howto mentiones a min of 12 but the installer seems to crap out on a friends ancient laptop....any one run into the sameproblem? link for older installer maybe? |
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| 01:20.09 | resiak | gilles: binary-modules , sorry. |
| 01:20.12 | skel_home | does testing have its own security updates or does it use stables? |
| 01:20.13 | fawkesuk | i ususally get imation or mitsubishi chemical |
| 01:20.14 | Guerin | martman: woody only needs 12MB |
| 01:20.18 | TheStar | fawkesuk: imatation is a good brand... Which you appear to already have. |
| 01:20.20 | resiak | gilles: That should give you a .deb package, and then you can dpkg -i it. |
| 01:20.24 | TheTom | dondelelcaro: yup. it says /usr/share/doc/lg-issue69/lg-issue69.tar.gz but it's not there |
| 01:20.26 | resiak | skel_home: It has no security updates. |
| 01:20.26 | Guerin | martman: some of the older ones require even less |
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| 01:20.38 | dondelelcaro | TheTom: then apt-get --reinstall install lg-issue69; |
| 01:20.38 | TheStar | fawkesuk: What burner? |
| 01:20.40 | skel_home | resiak: ok so only stable than.. ty |
| 01:20.45 | martman | Guerin just the normal install disks? hmmm, didnt notice any special ones |
| 01:20.47 | resiak | skel_home: That's the whole point of Stable :) |
| 01:20.52 | skel_home | =P |
| 01:20.54 | resiak | skel_home: Well, one of them. |
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| 01:20.55 | martman | Guerin and the normal new netinstall ones crap out |
| 01:20.56 | gilles | resiak: and then i'll just have to run "modprobe ndiswrapper" ? |
| 01:20.58 | gurubie | Guerin: See that is what is says but I do know it's normally the trident/sis7018 (I think that's the #) mod. Doesn't the Sarge rc2 Kernel have that? |
| 01:20.59 | Guerin | martman: yeah. How much ram does this box haave? |
| 01:21.01 | christor | please how to disable IPV6 on debian sarge? |
| 01:21.07 | martman | Guerin 16 |
| 01:21.07 | Guerin | martman: oh, sarge needs 32. |
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| 01:21.12 | fawkesuk | TheSTar; lsamsung laptop one |
| 01:21.18 | dondelelcaro | christor: you don't need to. Unless you specifically set it up, it just sits there. |
| 01:21.21 | Guerin | martman: yeah, you'll need woody. |
| 01:21.32 | martman | Guerin ok, thanks |
| 01:21.33 | TheStar | fawkesuk: Try burning at a lower speed, then. |
| 01:21.34 | resiak | gilles: Then you need to deal with your card's Windows driver, which is what ndiswrapper uses. |
| 01:21.45 | gilles | resiak: are you talking about the ndiswrapper sources or just ndiswraper ? |
| 01:21.47 | Lonnie | martman, I managed to install Potato on an old Hitachi laptop that had just 32 meg and a P133. |
| 01:21.55 | christor | dondelelcaro: yess I want to disable it becausee i think it slow the dns request answer |
| 01:22.02 | gilles | resiak: i did the thing with the win drivers |
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| 01:22.10 | Guerin | gurubie: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 01:22.11 | dondelelcaro | christor: no, it won't slow your dns requests, nor will it slow the answers. |
| 01:22.16 | fawkesuk | ok. this is just 8MB anyways |
| 01:22.16 | gurubie | Guerin: Usually my sound is set up on install. In past deb install I used the "trident" module |
| 01:22.20 | dondelelcaro | christor: what gave you the idea that it would? |
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| 01:22.28 | martman | Lonnie sounds like fun...im actualy doing this to prove to a friend that deb isnt evil, so i have to get this right lol |
| 01:22.47 | green_earz | Lonnie: have a look at to help with server setup http://www.linux.org/lessons/interm/index.html |
| 01:22.48 | resiak | gilles: Oh. I was talking about the windows drivers. If they're set up right, after you've installed ndiswrapper-modules_*.deb, you should just be able to modprobe them. |
| 01:22.52 | fawkesuk | btw, debian installs aren't really that difficult, right? |
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| 01:23.01 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: a drinky nerd could install it. |
| 01:23.02 | resiak | fawkesuk: No, they're not. |
| 01:23.03 | Guerin | gurubie: you want to use alsa, not OSS. modprove snd-trident |
| 01:23.05 | fawkesuk | i looked through the manual and it looks quite straight forward |
| 01:23.07 | Guerin | s/v/b/ |
| 01:23.18 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Apparently the latest version of bind has issues when it uses both ipv4 and ipv6 |
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| 01:23.18 | fawkesuk | whats drinky mean? |
| 01:23.18 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's all about the drunken install |
| 01:23.19 | gurubie | Guerin: Alsa-base alse-utils. check WAIT! Is that on CD1 ????? |
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| 01:23.30 | Guerin | gurubie: I dunno. Suck it and see. |
| 01:23.35 | resiak | gurubie: If it's not, you can apt-get it. |
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| 01:23.38 | jorgito-bsas | hello |
| 01:23.42 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: "on some operating systems" - didn't specify any known good ones, though. |
| 01:23.46 | gurubie | oh snd-trident, I'll try that |
| 01:23.47 | jorgito-bsas | i'need help |
| 01:23.58 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: I mean bind 9.3, btw. |
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| 01:24.12 | gurubie | res Not till I get the DARN net up :) |
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| 01:24.26 | fawkesuk | dondelelcaro; do you mean a drunk nerd? |
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| 01:24.33 | jorgito-bsas | ineed help with openswan!!!!!! |
| 01:24.37 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: no, I mean a drinky nerd. |
| 01:24.40 | resiak | jorgito-bsas: Ask your question! |
| 01:24.41 | gilles | resiak: i don't have such deb package |
| 01:24.42 | gravity | !mp |
| 01:24.42 | dpkg | from memory, mp is Northern Mariana Islands |
| 01:24.46 | Guerin | !annoy jorgito-bsas |
| 01:24.46 | gravity | Damn, wrong one |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | jorgito-bsas: Oooooh, aaah, Hmmm???? |
| 01:24.52 | fawkesuk | dondelelcaro; what does drinky mean? |
| 01:24.56 | resiak | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 01:24.57 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 01:25.02 | GillyGal | I'm using woody and want to upgrade hardware. If I swap out fora new mother-board and processor will the system run or will I need to re-install? |
| 01:25.12 | Lonnie | Thanks green_earz, I will get that link bookmarked for future refference. |
| 01:25.22 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9404/df940404.jpg |
| 01:25.23 | resiak | gilles: It exists, trust me. It may not be on CD1, but assuming that you have your apt repositories set up ... |
| 01:25.38 | TheStar | GillyGal: Might have to reconfigure onboard nic and the like, but it'll still be good. |
| 01:25.43 | gurubie | I though the net (via wirless) would be the challenge but I haven't even got to that yet. (piss, moan, whine to make a point). :) |
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| 01:25.52 | Guerin | GillyGal: if the new hardware is supported, it should run just dandy. If it's not supported in woody, you'll need to build a new kernel for it. |
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| 01:25.55 | jorgito-bsas | i need config opnswan + NAT, is posible? |
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| 01:26.19 | resiak | jorgito-bsas: Probably, yes. Read their documentation, perhaps? |
| 01:26.19 | green_earz | Lonnie: it will help to brake the ice with setting up a linux server all the best |
| 01:26.29 | resiak | jorgito-bsas: Uh, I mean, read OpenSwan's docs. |
| 01:26.44 | dondelelcaro | fawkesuk: http://bednorzmuller87.phys.cmu.edu/demonstrations/thermodynamics/heatengines/demo531.html FE |
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| 01:27.03 | Lonnie | martman, I had to use the forthor fifth CD in the set I had to get my old laptop to boot up in Debian in the first place. |
| 01:27.11 | fawkesuk | dondelelcaro; nerds with long necks... |
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| 01:27.39 | crschmidt | Is there a debian package for pine in the default testing branch? |
| 01:27.47 | simonrvn | non-free |
| 01:27.49 | crschmidt | apt-cache search pine doesn't seem to show anything |
| 01:27.51 | crschmidt | ah |
| 01:27.53 | jorgito-bsas | i read this doc' |
| 01:27.57 | jorgito-bsas | doc's |
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| 01:28.21 | dondelelcaro | crschmidt: you're probably going to want to switch to mutt, though... |
| 01:28.23 | jorgito-bsas | but, i not undrestand |
| 01:28.38 | Lonnie | That is good to hear green_earz, really want to get a working setup to take back to the office, want to get rid of as much ms crap as possible. |
| 01:28.40 | crschmidt | dondelelcaro: it's not for me, i already use mutt |
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| 01:28.48 | crschmidt | dondelelcaro: but my girlfriend is kinda stubborn ;) |
| 01:29.22 | resiak | gilles: I am, of course, assuming that you have a working net connection. |
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| 01:29.37 | Guerin | resiak: silly boy |
| 01:29.41 | resiak | Guerin: Ah. |
| 01:29.46 | chealer | jorgito-bsas: did you /j #opensean? |
| 01:29.47 | dondelelcaro | crschmidt: ah, time to teach her the joys of a good mutt setup |
| 01:29.52 | fawkesuk | desktop is not responding to the cdrom |
| 01:29.54 | fawkesuk | dammit |
| 01:30.02 | gilles | resiak: yes of course, but i can't find the package ndiswrapper-modules_*.deb |
| 01:30.39 | green_earz | Lonnie: have you installed from the sarge net installer yet ? if not its the one to go for |
| 01:31.14 | Lonnie | I'll give it a try, I think I have the Woody netinstaller here at home. |
| 01:31.29 | TheStar | How's the debian bsd pot going? |
| 01:31.30 | TheStar | *port |
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| 01:31.58 | Lonnie | I did do an install from the netinstaller CD I have green_earz, and that went very well. |
| 01:31.59 | Guerin | TheStar: there are a couple. |
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| 01:32.23 | TheStar | Guerin: The one that' using the gnu glibc rather than the bsd one. |
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| 01:32.30 | hanoi_pm | !find x509.h |
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| 01:32.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'x509.h' (5 shown; 9 total): (/usr/include/openssl/x509.h) in libdevel/libssl-dev ;; (/usr/include/wvstreams/wvx509.h) in libdevel/libwvstreams-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/it-html/PPP-HOWTO/x509.html) in doc/doc-linux-it ;; (/usr/share/doc/pyopenssl-doc/html/openssl-x509.html) in doc/pyopenssl-doc ;; (/usr/include/gnutls/x509.h) in libdevel/libgnutls10-dev,libdevel/libgnutls11-dev. |
| 01:32.43 | newbien | anyone using debian sarge? which kernel does sarge use? 2.4.22? uname -r will tell you |
| 01:32.44 | usn | hi all |
| 01:33.01 | resiak | gilles: Uh, I just realised I pointed that at the wrong person, sorry :) With regard to yourself, have you run debian/rules binary-modules in /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper ? If not, do so. If so, the .deb is going to be in /usr/src/modules . |
| 01:33.09 | Guerin | TheStar: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 01:33.13 | hanoi_pm | newbien: I use sarge with 2.6.8.1, will upgrade to 2.6.10 very soon |
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| 01:33.52 | gilles | resiak: i think that will help me, thanks a lot! |
| 01:34.00 | TheStar | Guerin: Thanks, could've guessed ;) |
| 01:34.04 | justin | newbien: packages.debian.org |
| 01:34.12 | newbien | hanoi_pm: is that the usual kernel version for sarge? |
| 01:34.25 | resiak | gilles: Good luck :-) |
| 01:34.29 | Guerin | newbien: sarge hasn't used 2.4.22 in at least a year |
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| 01:34.53 | newbien | Guerin: thanks; know what sid version kernel is? |
| 01:34.56 | TheStar | Guerin: Be interesting if it were benchmarked... |
| 01:35.03 | hanoi_pm | newbien: 2.6.8 is for sarge, 2.6.10 is currently for sid, but it has too many great networking features so I must use it for my networking application |
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| 01:35.07 | Guerin | newbien: 2.6.10 or 2.4.29 |
| 01:35.14 | green_earz | Lonnie: download the sarge-i386-netinst.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050119/ and when it boots type at the very first promtp linux26 so the you install the 2.6 kernel from the start |
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| 01:35.36 | Guerin | TheStar: it's still not feature-complete, iIRC |
| 01:35.48 | newbien | hanoi_pm: thanks; any bug problems with 2.6.10 kernel so far? |
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| 01:36.04 | resiak | newbien: bugs.debian.org perhaps ? |
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| 01:36.12 | chealer | newbien: and http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/kernel-image-2.4-386 will tell you |
| 01:36.13 | Guerin | newbien: read lkml |
| 01:36.23 | TheStar | Guerin: It led me to believe that it's (generally) very simple to bring over individual packages. |
| 01:36.28 | Lonnie | Have a great weekend everyone. I'm off to get the Sarge netinstaller, the one green_earz just mentioned, and blow away a Win2003SBS installation. <G> |
| 01:36.40 | newbien | chealer: thanks for the url |
| 01:36.47 | TheStar | Lonnie: Why? |
| 01:36.51 | green_earz | all the best |
| 01:36.54 | TheStar | Lonnie: Which OS do you know *better*? |
| 01:36.57 | hanoi_pm | newbien: no bug so far, 2.6.10 fixes a serious conntrack bug found in previous versions |
| 01:36.57 | chealer | newbien: check the "site". it's very useful (daily?) |
| 01:37.11 | TheStar | Lonnie: If you don't really know debian just yet, install it on a *different* computer and learn it! |
| 01:37.17 | hanoi_pm | newbien: sorry, 2.6.11 does, 2.6.10 still has that serious bug |
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| 01:37.30 | fawkesuk | im gonna just wait for the full cds to download and boot off that. hopefully that will work |
| 01:37.47 | gilles | resiak: i get the following error msg when "debian/rules binary-modules" : "Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/linux;" |
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| 01:38.15 | Guerin | TheStar: yeah, most floss stuff builds cleanly on *bsd these days anyhow |
| 01:38.24 | nostalg1c | hmm, identd is complaining that /proc/net/tcp can't be read |
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| 01:38.38 | ireverentReveren | anyone here willing to help me with ndiswrapper? i have a broadcom card, the drivers are all installed, and but when i bring ifup wlan0, i cannot get an IP via dhcp... |
| 01:38.41 | neoego | anyone know if pci-express is supported in linux? |
| 01:38.43 | nostalg1c | identd[5836]: fopen("/proc/net/tcp", "r"): Permission denied |
| 01:38.45 | Lonnie | TheStar, I have used Debian for three of four years, have three computers running Debian now, and Win2003SBS has given me more shit in the last three months than I can handle. |
| 01:38.46 | resiak | gilles: Aah. I take it you haven't built your own kernel? ...I'm afraid that my only experience with ndiswrapper was after rolling my own, so... |
| 01:38.46 | nostalg1c | a bunch of stuff like that |
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| 01:38.55 | nostalg1c | although the file itself is -r--r--r-- |
| 01:39.00 | nostalg1c | how do i fix that? |
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| 01:39.11 | FieldySnuts | .11 isn't out, an rc is but not .11 itself |
| 01:39.40 | gilles | resiak: resiak: i have built my own kernel, it's in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 01:39.40 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: are the perms on the parent directories okay? |
| 01:39.59 | resiak | gilles: Then ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux |
| 01:40.14 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, no, /proc/net is root-only, but somehow i feel i shouldn't mess with /proc |
| 01:40.18 | resiak | gilles: It's good practice (and advisable) to keel /usr/src/linux symlinked to your current kernel source. |
| 01:40.25 | nostalg1c | http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0004.0/0336.html also points out it will probably be reset to 550 if i change it |
| 01:40.25 | equnix | when i try to run grub-install it tries to read from the floppy (and i don't even have a floppy drive)... it never stops so grub doesn't get installed. anyone knows about this? |
| 01:40.37 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: as in 500? |
| 01:41.05 | nostalg1c | yes, 500, sorry |
| 01:41.14 | equnix | i type 'grub-install --root-directory=/boot/grub /dev/hda' |
| 01:41.14 | Guerin | equnix: how long did you wait? |
| 01:41.19 | nostalg1c | obviously the permission will be reset as soon as the cwd no longer includes /proc/net |
| 01:41.24 | Guerin | equnix: it sometimestakes a loooing time |
| 01:41.26 | equnix | Guerin maybe two minutes |
| 01:41.32 | Guerin | equnix: wait longer |
| 01:41.34 | hanoi_pm | how to install specified (old) versionn of a package? |
| 01:41.39 | gilles | resiak: the modprobe worked, thanks so much! |
| 01:41.45 | newbien | freshmeat.net has a daily security posting; lots of debian security postings recently; are these vulnerabilitys debian specific? |
| 01:41.48 | Guerin | hanoi_pm: apt-get install package=version |
| 01:41.49 | equnix | Guerin say what now? |
| 01:41.52 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: I'm guessing that identd is binding to the port, dropping root privs and changing uid and then trying to open /proc/net/tcp |
| 01:41.55 | equnix | Guerin how long? :) |
| 01:41.57 | hanoi_pm | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:42.02 | Guerin | equnix: until it works |
| 01:42.10 | Guerin | equnix: or gives you an error |
| 01:42.15 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, yes, afaik it runs as nobody |
| 01:42.22 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: its 555 here (2.6.9) |
| 01:42.25 | nostalg1c | but how the hell am i supposed to run identd then |
| 01:42.30 | equnix | Guerin okey, i will wait ten minutes or so, but i don't even understand why it wants the floppy at all |
| 01:42.30 | resiak | gilles: :) Now good luck getting it all to work! |
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| 01:42.39 | nostalg1c | 2.4.24 here |
| 01:42.47 | hanoi_pm | Guerin: why the syntax is so strange: package=version ? |
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| 01:42.49 | Guerin | equnix: you can probably tell it to only probe certain things. |
| 01:43.19 | Guerin | hanoi_pm: that's not strange syntax. = means 'equal to'; makes perfect sense |
| 01:43.22 | FieldySnuts | @kill quit reason spam |
| 01:43.22 | equnix | ok, thanks |
| 01:43.32 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: I've got 555 on a 2.4.18 too |
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| 01:43.53 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, could grsec be the cause of this? |
| 01:44.01 | hanoi_pm | Guerin: well, I should RTFM first :) |
| 01:44.13 | FieldySnuts | grsec screws lots of things up if you don't know what you're doing |
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| 01:44.27 | FieldySnuts | including denying server/client sockets to very large numbers of users |
| 01:44.43 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: probably |
| 01:44.43 | nostalg1c | it's a colocated box, the grsec part was included in the image they run on all their servers |
| 01:45.07 | nostalg1c | so i would hope they knew what they were doing.. :) |
| 01:45.20 | FieldySnuts | dig around the kernel config for grsec, poke around |
| 01:45.30 | FieldySnuts | if you don't know or want to, don't run grsec then, it's not something you just use at a whim |
| 01:45.41 | nostalg1c | i'm a bit reluctant to be doing kernel configging remotely :) |
| 01:45.55 | Guerin | nostalg1c: talk to them, then. |
| 01:46.01 | FieldySnuts | yup |
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| 01:46.13 | nostalg1c | Guerin, yes, that's probably the smartest thing to do |
| 01:46.46 | nostalg1c | or is there perhaps another identd package that might not behave like this? |
| 01:46.59 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: I'd hope not |
| 01:47.02 | neoego | anyone know if pci-express is supported in linux? |
| 01:47.06 | FieldySnuts | tell me what's happening again, i can tel you if it's grsec |
| 01:47.34 | neoego | anyone know if pci-express is supported in linux? |
| 01:47.35 | nostalg1c | FieldySnuts, identd wants to access /proc/net/tcp but can't, since /proc/net is chmod 500 and identd is probably running as nobody |
| 01:47.46 | restrex | hi guyz, I reinstalled debian, and now my vhosts don't work, I put, for example, www.elpn.cl for /var/www and birth.elpn.cl /home/birth/public_html, but when I enter to birth.elpn.cl I'm entering to www.elpn.cl data :( and when I enter tu www.elpn.cl/~birth I enter to birth data correctly, but not when I enter to birth.elpn.cl any ideas? thanks |
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| 01:47.53 | FieldySnuts | nostalg1c: yes, that's grsec's /proc restrictions. |
| 01:48.08 | FieldySnuts | lame identd, shouldn't need to access that |
| 01:48.12 | christor | neoego: I saw one times the kernel support but may be it will be necessary to reccompil the kernel to add the support |
| 01:48.31 | christor | I don t rememeber it it s active by default |
| 01:48.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate restrex |
| 01:48.41 | ravenbird | !irritate restrex |
| 01:48.42 | dpkg | restrex: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 01:48.48 | mindphasr | What is the best way to limit bandwidth on certain ports? My connection gets drained so bad when downloading from ftp i time out elsewhere.. |
| 01:48.49 | neoego | christor: thanks. |
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| 01:49.12 | Guerin | restrex: set your dns up correctly. Use a cname fot that birth.elpn thing |
| 01:49.17 | nostalg1c | how do i find out which package owns the identd daemon? |
| 01:49.24 | FieldySnuts | nostalg1c: i run oidentd just fine on a system with grsec's /proc restrictions, or try others as well |
| 01:49.28 | nostalg1c | i have the feeling pidentd is running instead of ident2 |
| 01:50.04 | Guerin | nostalg1c: dpkg -l |grep inetd |
| 01:50.11 | restrex | Guerin ok thanks :) |
| 01:50.27 | TheStar | mindphasr: That's generally called traffic shaping. |
| 01:50.27 | TheStar | mindphasr: I haven't figured it out just yet. |
| 01:50.38 | restrex | FieldySnuts fuck you :) |
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| 01:50.45 | FieldySnuts | eat shit. |
| 01:51.14 | restrex | no, I don't eat shit like you, thanks by the way FieldySnuts |
| 01:51.19 | restrex | :) |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | ooh, #playground-insults |
| 01:51.26 | mindphasr | Well, I just have heard linux traffic queuing isn't all that terrible good..looking for advanced traffic shaping |
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| 01:52.09 | Guerin | mindphasr: it doesn't sound like you need anything advanced. Just cap your inbount at 75% of your theoretical for any given port |
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| 01:52.46 | gilles | how to swith on the ESSID for wifi pc card ? |
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| 01:53.40 | BR_ | anyone clever enough to answer this question for me, whats the advantage of being able to address 4GB of memory even if you don't have 4GB of physical memory installed? |
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| 01:53.56 | FieldySnuts | none |
| 01:54.00 | Rawplayer | lol |
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| 01:54.11 | bbrazil | BR_: mmaping 4GB files (yeah I know) |
| 01:54.29 | Rawplayer | what is the advantage of enableing raid controller in the kernel if i dont have any |
| 01:54.32 | Rawplayer | ; |
| 01:54.33 | Rawplayer | sorry :P |
| 01:54.36 | Rawplayer | p |
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| 01:55.02 | bbrazil | BR_: do you mean physical or virtual memory (kernel configing?) |
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| 01:55.24 | nestle-iced-tea | hi... I'm just coming off of a fresh install, and am intrigued with apache.. so, can someone tell me a user friendly HTML editor? |
| 01:55.26 | seRfiu | Hello! |
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| 01:55.39 | Guerin | nestle-iced-tea: emacs |
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| 01:55.42 | resiak | nestle-iced-tea: I think you mean something like bluefish . |
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| 01:55.47 | seRfiu | How do I set a route to my gateway? |
| 01:55.47 | Guerin | nestle-iced-tea: with html-helper-mode |
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| 01:55.52 | nestle-iced-tea | Guerin, that is NOT easy |
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| 01:55.55 | Guerin | seRfiu: man interfaces |
| 01:56.06 | seRfiu | oh |
| 01:56.16 | green_earz | nestle-iced-tea: if you use kde have a look at quanta |
| 01:56.16 | seRfiu | Someone was telling me I use route add. |
| 01:56.16 | Guerin | nestle-iced-tea: actually, it is trivially easy unless you try to use any special functionality. |
| 01:56.17 | seRfiu | grrrr |
| 01:56.22 | gilles | can someone tell me the name of one pc card that works without ndiswrapper on linux ? |
| 01:56.29 | mindphasr | Guerin: Will look into it some more.. I have a little bit of a strange situation..i'm the one with the cell phone. Doesn't seem that normal traffic shaping route is working all that well |
| 01:56.34 | nestle-iced-tea | hrmm.. |
| 01:56.38 | nestle-iced-tea | ill try all of those.. |
| 01:56.47 | nestle-iced-tea | bluefish looks more along the lines of what i need |
| 01:56.57 | pmcdonnell | I'm using Dovecot for IMAP and IMAPS serving. I'm using maildir, under /home/USER/Maildir, and /home is mounted via NFS on the IMAP server. I'm seeing these errors in dovecot's log file: |
| 01:56.57 | resiak | nestle-iced-tea: For what it's worth, I swear by gvim. |
| 01:57.04 | nestle-iced-tea | i like vi too |
| 01:57.06 | pmcdonnell | imap(badams): Jan 21 18:32:22 Error: file_wait_lock() failed with index file /home/badams/Maildir/.Trash/.imap.index: No locks available |
| 01:57.17 | pmcdonnell | imap(pmcdonnell): Jan 21 15:24:10 Error: /home/pmcdonnell/Maildir/.subscriptions failed with subscription file file_wait_lock(): No locks available |
| 01:57.27 | pmcdonnell | Any thoughts as to why it might be doing this? |
| 01:57.55 | Guerin | pmcdonnell: grrr, stupid locking. |
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| 01:58.48 | BR_ | bbrazil: you can address 4GB of memory in a 32-bit arch, just wondering what advantages this holds if you don't have 4GB of phyical memory, what advantages it holds for virtual mem. |
| 01:59.23 | pmcdonnell | Guerin, I deduced that, and ideas why? I'm using the "fcntl" locking method |
| 01:59.28 | TheStar | BR_: The virtual mem is part of that address pool, afaik. |
| 01:59.36 | bbrazil | BR_: theres a good answer to this, but I'd have to regurgitate a lecture or two |
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| 02:00.09 | Guerin | pmcdonnell: from my understanding of how maildir works, it shouldn't need to be locked at all. What's creating those .imap.index files? dovecot? |
| 02:00.10 | bbrazil | BR_: essentially you can map other things like files to the memory |
| 02:00.45 | pmcdonnell | Guerin, I'm not sure. How can I find out? |
| 02:00.55 | bbrazil | BR_: also you have more space to muck around with - you are less limited by stack size etc. because it won't hit the malloc space so soon etc. |
| 02:01.06 | pmcdonnell | Guerin, the file does exist in ~/Maildir |
| 02:01.11 | christor | Please, We are several person to work on a computer debian.. and I woould like to have a system to log the install done on the machine?? are there a tools to log the apt-get command or an idea to script...? |
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| 02:01.40 | bbrazil | christor: aptitude records intended actions |
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| 02:01.56 | Guerin | pmcdonnell: AFAICS it must be your imapd. Ask #dovecot whether there's some config option you can set. |
| 02:02.12 | christor | bbrazil: thx for you response but people use apt |
| 02:02.17 | bbrazil | christor: you can also use dpkg --get-selections to see whats installed |
| 02:02.34 | bbrazil | christor: aptitude uses apt |
| 02:02.34 | pmcdonnell | Guerin, ok, thanks. Maybe I should use something other than dovecot? |
| 02:02.59 | Guerin | pmcdonnell: see if you can fix the problem before abandoning it. |
| 02:03.21 | pmcdonnell | Guerin, of couse |
| 02:03.25 | pmcdonnell | *course |
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| 02:03.55 | Guerin | christor: I was going to script a wrapper to do this; basically along the lines of appending the output of apt-get and/or dpkg to a logfile - but aptitude is far better designed to do this. |
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| 02:04.50 | restrex | guyz I have my domain with zoneedit nds, if I change my /etc/hosts will fail my qmail mta? :S |
| 02:04.55 | restrex | dns* |
| 02:05.10 | Guerin | restrex: no. |
| 02:06.02 | restrex | Guerin thanks, I making all that things for fix my vhosts problem :/ |
| 02:06.07 | restrex | I'm :) |
| 02:06.14 | nostalg1c | hmm |
| 02:06.29 | restrex | /etc/hosts :) |
| 02:06.42 | nostalg1c | is there any way i can know if ident2 in woody (1.03) is not vulnerable to the bug that plagued <1.05 ? |
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| 02:08.07 | pmcdonnell | Does whatever NFS comes with Debian (Sarge) support lockd? |
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| 02:09.30 | hacim | hmm, can you do TVout on a thinkpad x40? |
| 02:10.03 | Guerin | nostalg1c: security.debian.org if it was a security issue; otherwise, probably, |
| 02:10.15 | Guerin | hacim: what video card? |
| 02:10.36 | nostalg1c | okay, thanks |
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| 02:11.19 | hacim | Guerin: ati... i know there is atitvout, but I dont know if there is a plug (no s-video... can you do USB tvout?) |
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| 02:11.48 | ismael0312 | hola |
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| 02:12.02 | ismael0312 | como estan |
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| 02:13.10 | Guerin | hacim: no idea. I'm pretty sure the gatos drivers do normal tvout though |
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| 02:16.49 | paxl | Do somone here knows a way to create an image / like dd / only with the DATA on the disk, not the free space ?? |
| 02:16.56 | pmcdonnell | A certain NFS client is having file locking issues with an NFS mount. The mount (/home) is mounted, but dmesg on the server says: |
| 02:16.58 | pmcdonnell | nsm_mon_unmon: rpc failed, status=-13 |
| 02:16.58 | pmcdonnell | lockd: cannot monitor 192.168.0.2 |
| 02:17.19 | kirbymeister | argh, I cant uninstall udev without installing gnome! |
| 02:17.22 | pmcdonnell | And Dovecot is having issues doing some lock files. Any ideas as to what the problem may be? |
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| 02:19.23 | Guerin | paxl: which data? |
| 02:19.33 | Guerin | paxl: and what kind of image? |
| 02:20.48 | npx | mkisofs will do what you want (and take for-fuckign-ever) |
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| 02:21.34 | Guerin | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| 02:21.46 | Guerin | but dd is probaably easier if he wants to image a whole device |
| 02:22.08 | npx | Yeah, but that'd also use his free space |
| 02:22.17 | npx | trade-off either way I guess |
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| 02:22.52 | TheStar | kirbymeister: You can install udev without installing gnome - it's part of the *kernel* |
| 02:22.56 | TheStar | Right? |
| 02:23.09 | kirbymeister | TheStar: No, apt says it's part of Gnome |
| 02:23.12 | npx | TheStar, no - udev exists in userland |
| 02:23.18 | TheStar | Ahh. |
| 02:23.21 | TheStar | Gotcha. |
| 02:23.27 | Guerin | umm, the whole point of Udev is that it's in Userland |
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| 02:23.40 | npx | Guerin I don't follow |
| 02:23.52 | npx | Couldn't you do the same thing in the kernel itself? |
| 02:23.53 | Guerin | !cluedrill npx |
| 02:23.58 | paxl | Guerin: Don't flame, this si for making a image of a clean win98 to recopy it on the hd when it is all wipe out ( win98 say ok for like 1 month.. so .. )) |
| 02:24.02 | npx | no need for cluedrills =P |
| 02:24.08 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 02:24.28 | Guerin | paxl: if the drive will stay the same, same size, etc. Just use dd |
| 02:24.29 | paxl | Guerin: but a dd on a 10GB partition is 10GB.. and this si too big for 300 mb of scrap/data |
| 02:24.40 | paxl | Guerin: this is the proble |
| 02:24.41 | Guerin | paxl: use tar then. |
| 02:24.52 | paxl | Guerin: tar would do the job É |
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| 02:25.13 | TheStar | paxl: make sure you preserve everything, times, etc. |
| 02:25.16 | Guerin | paxl: you'll have to do the restore in unix, but yeah, tar and gzip should work fine |
| 02:25.27 | TheStar | bunzip is better. |
| 02:25.31 | TheStar | bzip2, I mean. |
| 02:25.38 | Guerin | depends what you mean by better. |
| 02:25.39 | paxl | TheStar: tar -j =) |
| 02:25.49 | paxl | Guerin: ok good |
| 02:25.53 | npx | yeah, bzip takes forever to compress/decompress (compared to just tar or tar.gz) |
| 02:26.13 | paxl | Is there a good livecd of linux ? |
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| 02:26.20 | paxl | I never realy searched |
| 02:26.21 | Guerin | paxl: there are squillions |
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| 02:26.26 | madprog | hello |
| 02:26.27 | paxl | I only want a kernel and bash |
| 02:26.33 | Guerin | paxl: lnx-bbc |
| 02:26.34 | npx | paxl, you want a boot disk then |
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| 02:26.47 | TheStar | Guerin: Slower, but less space used :) |
| 02:26.52 | paxl | npx: more bigger thant tomsrtbrt =) |
| 02:26.56 | Guerin | !rtbt |
| 02:26.56 | dpkg | [rtbt] Tom's floppy distribution with a RooT filesystem that is BooTable, or http://www.toms.net/rb |
| 02:27.01 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:27.03 | Guerin | oops |
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| 02:27.18 | Guerin | paxl: yeah, lnx-bbc is good. ~50MB |
| 02:27.22 | TheStar | Pity rtbt isn't good for chroots anymore. |
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| 02:27.26 | paxl | Guerin: perfect |
| 02:27.43 | npx | that does sound nice |
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| 02:27.56 | npx | I actually have a full-blown woody install on a 2gb partition for rescue ops, lol |
| 02:28.02 | Guerin | it's what you get when you buy a FSF membership. |
| 02:28.21 | madprog | how can i access the source code of a package ? |
| 02:28.31 | Guerin | madprog: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 02:28.42 | madprog | Guerin: i'm not on a debian |
| 02:28.42 | Guerin | madprog: make sure your have seb-src lines in your sources.list too |
| 02:28.49 | Guerin | madprog: packages.debian.org |
| 02:28.50 | Kerr | what's the smallest apt-getable package for viewing word 2000 docs ? |
| 02:28.57 | Guerin | Kerr: antiword |
| 02:29.08 | United | how can i patch sasl to understand md5 crypted password using mysql ? is there a package or do i have to source this? |
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| 02:29.20 | Guerin | Kerr: hope you weren't wanting any pretty formatting |
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| 02:29.31 | Kerr | Guerin: uni timetable |
| 02:29.34 | pmcdonnell | A certain NFS client is having file locking issues with an NFS mount. The mount (/home) is mounted, but dmesg on the server says: |
| 02:29.35 | Kerr | Guerin: thanks :) |
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| 02:29.46 | pmcdonnell | nsm_mon_unmon: rpc failed, status=-13 |
| 02:29.46 | pmcdonnell | lockd: cannot monitor 192.168.0.2 |
| 02:30.01 | pmcdonnell | And Dovecot is having issues doing some lock files. Any ideas as to what the problem may be? |
| 02:30.08 | Guerin | United: it should work via pam |
| 02:30.14 | dud | damn... been transcoding a movie almost 10h straight now... and I'm only like 3/4th done |
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| 02:30.16 | kremlyn | If I install the 'php4' meta package, then decide I want to install an additional php module at a later date using apt, will this just plug the new functionality on top of the original installation? |
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| 02:30.25 | dud | on an amd64 3000 heh |
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| 02:30.31 | Guerin | United: though I never could get it to, so I just store the passwords in cleartext and enforce TLS |
| 02:30.35 | kremlyn | Or will it screw up the original php4 install? |
| 02:30.39 | Guerin | kremlyn: yes |
| 02:30.44 | Guerin | kremlyn: the former |
| 02:30.44 | dud | kremlyn, thatll work wonderfully |
| 02:30.47 | dud | does for me |
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| 02:31.01 | cureless | dud how long is the movie? |
| 02:31.06 | kremlyn | Awesome. So php4 package in itself is just the basics.. |
| 02:31.17 | kremlyn | Then if i want mysql later, I'd install pgp4-mysql |
| 02:31.23 | kremlyn | erm, php4-mysql |
| 02:31.23 | dud | cureless, 92mins |
| 02:31.25 | Guerin | kremlyn: exactly |
| 02:31.30 | doublehp | I need to draw a parametric equation , such as y=ax ( to make thingssimple); which tools can show me the result ( as colored stuff, or animated depending on a ... ) octave ? gnuplot ? |
| 02:31.35 | sbk | pmcdonnell: not an NFS guru, but google says "are you running statd on your clients" |
| 02:31.38 | dud | but I'm using this insanely complex filter chain you see :) |
| 02:31.38 | cureless | dud that's some heavy transcoding. |
| 02:31.39 | kremlyn | Rad. Wow this binary distro stuff is awesome ;-) |
| 02:31.41 | cureless | gotta go, later folks |
| 02:31.45 | kremlyn | Thanks guys! |
| 02:32.00 | dud | cureless, smooth, detectsilence and finally the massive yuvdenoiser |
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| 02:32.05 | nostalg1c | is anyone here using oidentd? |
| 02:32.08 | pmcdonnell | sbk, no clue, let me check |
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| 02:32.13 | Thanatermesis | hello |
| 02:32.14 | vordul | I'm having a problem installing Sarge. I completed most of the install, but when it gets to the APT configuration, no matter which HTTP/FTP source I choose in the netinstall, it can't connect. I'm using DSL, and I did pppoeconf, and it did connect. |
| 02:32.15 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 02:32.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:32.29 | nostalg1c | hehe |
| 02:32.33 | Guerin | vordul: can you ping a hostname, or an ip? |
| 02:32.35 | Davidcc6 | i need help whit fbi: using "bitstream Vera Sans Mono-16", pixelsize=16,67 file=/var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.b/B/Bitstream-Vera-Sans-Mono.ttf ioctl FBIOGET_CON2FBMAP: argumento no valido |
| 02:32.35 | pmcdonnell | sbk, yep |
| 02:32.41 | vordul | Yes. |
| 02:32.42 | rand_ | how does one set the time in debian, from the command line? |
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| 02:32.55 | Thanatermesis | how to configure a router redirection port in 2 windows are conected for mount -t smb windows-machine in my directory-computer ? |
| 02:33.00 | ddfire | hi i need some help i need to run a simple script before x start how i do that???? |
| 02:33.01 | Guerin | rand_: date, hwclock, tzconfig |
| 02:33.09 | Thanatermesis | how to configure a router redirection port in 2 windows-machinescted for mount -t smb windows-machine in my directory-computer ? |
| 02:33.09 | vordul | Guerin - I can. |
| 02:33.10 | Guerin | ddfire: man xsession |
| 02:33.11 | rand_ | all three or just one ? ;) |
| 02:33.12 | rand_ | thanks |
| 02:33.14 | sbk | pmcdonnell: let me just point you to the thread, maybe there are some other ideas there. http://www.bioinformatics.org/~dig/other/mutt+lock/nfs+hosts.allow.html |
| 02:33.19 | Davidcc6 | nas Thanatermesis |
| 02:33.26 | Thanatermesis | xD nas dave_n |
| 02:33.29 | Thanatermesis | uops |
| 02:33.35 | Thanatermesis | xD nas Davidcc6 |
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| 02:33.50 | pmcdonnell | sbk, thanks |
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| 02:34.02 | Thanatermesis | puedes pedirlo por mi Davidcc6 que no se me da bien el ingles? |
| 02:34.03 | Guerin | vordul: try to ping one of your mirrors? |
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| 02:34.20 | pmcdonnell | sbk, that's talking about a 2.2 kernel |
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| 02:34.26 | vordul | I can ping them, but even if the ping returns, it still doesn't want to connect. |
| 02:34.46 | Guerin | vordul: weird. |
| 02:34.49 | sbk | pmcdonnell: it doesn't sound like a kernel problem per se -- status=-13 reads like an EACCESS issue |
| 02:35.01 | Guerin | vordul: do you have wget installed yet? |
| 02:35.09 | dud | vordul, you could just skip that stage of the installer, and do a dist-upgrade afterwards |
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| 02:35.18 | Davidcc6 | i have framebuffer but when i use fbi this apear: using "bitstream Vera Sans Mono-16", pixelsize=16,67 file=/var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.b/B/Bitstream-Vera-Sans-Mono.ttf ioctl FBIOGET_CON2FBMAP: argument not valid |
| 02:35.25 | dud | and that tselwhateveritscalled |
| 02:35.27 | Davidcc6 | what can i do? |
| 02:35.29 | vordul | dud - Don't you have to configure apt to do a dist-upgrade? |
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| 02:35.45 | Kerr | Guerin: Are there any gui frontends to antiword ? |
| 02:35.49 | Guerin | yeah, you do |
| 02:35.53 | dud | you could manually edit your sources.list as well vordul |
| 02:35.55 | Guerin | Kerr: xterm is a good one. |
| 02:35.55 | sbk | pmcdonnell: but hey :-) just something to look at, for any ideas -- if it doesn't really apply, oh well. |
| 02:35.56 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: frontends to antiword? |
| 02:36.07 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: you just point it at a .doc, it does it's thing. |
| 02:36.10 | Guerin | Kerr: just do antiword < file |less |
| 02:36.15 | United | Guerin, postfix mysql and postfix admin? |
| 02:36.24 | Guerin | United: eh? |
| 02:36.35 | qwerty | Can someone give me a working example of DNAT to change the ip address a machine inside the network uses on the outside? |
| 02:36.45 | United | Guerin, there is no patch to do what i need? |
| 02:36.59 | ddfire | Guerin, thanks the idea is add a call to my script there rigth? |
| 02:37.01 | nostalg1c | okay, so oidentd is seemingly returning false information. "33174 , 6667 : ERROR : NO-USER" when netstat says there is a connection from 33174->6667.. does this sound familiar to anyone ? |
| 02:37.14 | dud | yey, just finished setting up teapop with mysql user database :D |
| 02:37.16 | dud | wikked |
| 02:37.24 | Guerin | United: like I said: it SHOULD work if you run it through pam. I couldn't get it to do so, however. |
| 02:37.25 | kruzi | hi all if i install an app like say xchat from apt-get at command line how can i make/get a shortcut in X ? |
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| 02:37.30 | pmcdonnell | sbk, I could just try restarting lockd on the NFS server, but it won't kill -9 |
| 02:37.34 | Guerin | United: but it SHOULD be doable, |
| 02:37.42 | United | Guerin it wont with sasl? |
| 02:37.44 | madprog | does freebsd-buildutils includes bsdmake ? |
| 02:37.45 | Guerin | United: for instructions, look at http://high5.net/howto |
| 02:37.46 | United | Guerin, http://www.viperstrike.com/~lopaka/sysadmin/cyrus-sasl-mysql-encrypt/ |
| 02:37.47 | sbk | pmcdonnell: are you able to ping hte rpc.statd on the problem client? |
| 02:37.53 | kruzi | hi all if i install an app like say xchat from apt-get at command line how can i make/get a shortcut in X ? anyone? |
| 02:38.00 | United | Guerin, that is running from sasl2 thats the tutorial i am using |
| 02:38.08 | dud | kruzi, depends on your window manager for x |
| 02:38.10 | Davidcc6 | what is the best soft for view images in console? |
| 02:38.13 | sbk | pmcdonnell: the thread seems to indicate a daemon or process not responding on the client, rather than the server |
| 02:38.16 | kruzi | kruzi: im using xserver |
| 02:38.21 | Davidcc6 | coz fbi is not working... |
| 02:38.23 | kruzi | dud: im using xserver even |
| 02:38.30 | dud | but /usr/share/applications is a good way to start |
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| 02:39.06 | Guerin | United: then you have your answer. I was under the impression that if you went MTA -> saslauthd -> pam -> mysql it would work |
| 02:39.17 | dud | xserver isnt a windows manager |
| 02:39.18 | Guerin | whereas most setups, sensibly, skip pam |
| 02:39.21 | kruzi | /usr/share/applications? what do i put a ln in there or something? |
| 02:39.23 | pmcdonnell | sbk, well dmesg on the server shows lockd complaining |
| 02:39.27 | dud | xserver is a common name for xfree86 and xorg |
| 02:39.41 | United | Guerin, do you have a tutorial that can show me how to incorporate pam with the high5.net/howto setup? |
| 02:39.55 | Guerin | United: I believe that setup DOES include pam. |
| 02:40.04 | kruzi | ah well im using xfree86 |
| 02:40.21 | sbk | pmcdonnell: the way this works (as I vaguely remember) is that lockd on the server will try to communicate with rpc.statd on the client. The error is (presmably) coming from lockd on the server because it's not able to connect to the rpc.statd on the client (hence the EACCES status code) |
| 02:40.23 | United | Guerin, it dont. |
| 02:40.23 | rand_ | Guerin: none of them set the time, i tried tzconfig and set it to the proper local, but it saying 4pm in the afternoon, instead of 9.40pm |
| 02:40.26 | rand_ | am i missing something |
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| 02:40.39 | Guerin | United: no, you're right. |
| 02:40.52 | dud | kruzi, with twm/fluxbox/blackbox/kde/gnome/xfce4.....? |
| 02:40.54 | United | Guerin, i know is there any docs you would reccomend? |
| 02:40.55 | sean_micken | hey is nvidia-glx gone now? |
| 02:41.00 | Guerin | rand_: now use date or hwclock to set the actual time. |
| 02:41.23 | sbk | pmcdonnell: so you should probably first verify that you can access (some rpcinfo command from the server, don't recall now) can ping the rpc.statd on the client |
| 02:41.38 | mX128PLDENG | hy? |
| 02:41.41 | pmcdonnell | sbk, thanks... latest problem is I tried to stop and restart NFSd on the server and its not starting up again |
| 02:41.42 | npx_ | sean_micken it's still in non-free |
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| 02:41.46 | rand_ | Guerin: ah |
| 02:41.56 | mX128PLDENG | can anyone give me a quakenet server? |
| 02:42.05 | Guerin | United: hrm, just looking at the other howto I often refer to, that doesn't use pam either. I think it's a-patchin' you go. |
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| 02:42.10 | sean_micken | npx_: i don't see it? |
| 02:42.14 | dud | mX128PLDENG, up.uran.us |
| 02:42.17 | kruzi | anyone know of a good howto re desktop icons ? |
| 02:42.20 | sean_micken | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=glx&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 02:42.25 | Guerin | !dud++ |
| 02:42.25 | bohan | does anyone know a debian package that makes advance use of cdbs? |
| 02:42.25 | sbk | pmcdonnell: :-) ok -- sounds like you are in deeper doo-doo than when you started, not sure I know enough to help you at this point |
| 02:42.48 | dud | Guerin ;) |
| 02:42.50 | mX128PLDENG | dud: whats this? - thats not quakenet you russian :) |
| 02:42.57 | GQBongo | I just tried to install the latest stable from debian on a PIII 600 MHz with an ATI9000 video card, 17" monitor. Apparently, I misconfigured the x windows system, because it fails to start up |
| 02:42.59 | kirbymeister | tceles b hsup! |
| 02:43.03 | Guerin | mX128PLDENG: ask on quakenet, ffs |
| 02:43.05 | sbk | pmcdonnell: but when you're at least back to the point where you were (lockd complaining) verify that you can ping via rpcinfo the rpc.statd service on the client, good luck :) |
| 02:43.06 | GQBongo | is this common? are there docs about? |
| 02:43.12 | dud | mX128PLDENG, you're dumber than you look haha |
| 02:43.34 | Guerin | GQBongo: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:43.44 | GQBongo | dankers |
| 02:43.44 | mX128PLDENG | thank you bitches :q |
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| 02:43.55 | npx_ | mX128PLDENG suck it dry |
| 02:43.56 | pmcdonnell | sbk, well, thanks for your help, |
| 02:44.25 | drac | lol |
| 02:44.35 | dud | I never thought setting up teapop could be so damn hard... |
| 02:44.43 | dud | talk about lack of documentation |
| 02:45.09 | TheStar | teapop? |
| 02:45.09 | raid5 | dam i cant do my downloads in debian...eMule dont work :( |
| 02:45.12 | sean_micken | hmm |
| 02:45.12 | TheStar | I use qpopper. |
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| 02:45.18 | sean_micken | is nvidia-glx just in "unstable" now? |
| 02:45.36 | Guerin | raid5: sucks to be a zrawleet in this day and age, don't it? |
| 02:45.53 | dud | teapop works very well... and you can use lots of different authentication schemes |
| 02:45.56 | Guerin | raid5: y dnt u go get teh new 1337 suprn0va appx0r on /.? |
| 02:46.00 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: probably... it's in non-free, so it'll have a hard time progressing to testing |
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| 02:46.36 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro: well, i am running a 'testing' system and my friend is too, but he can't seem to get nvidia-glx (even though i have it) |
| 02:46.46 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro: so, they must've moved it back to unstable? |
| 02:46.49 | dondelelcaro | !info nvidia-glx testing |
| 02:46.51 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6111-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2744 kB, Installed size: 8992 kB |
| 02:46.55 | pmcdonnell | sbk, OK, I got nfs to start again on the server, but I don't know what to check about statd |
| 02:46.59 | pmcdonnell | its running on the client... |
| 02:47.08 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: oh, your friend probably just doesn't have non-free in his sources.list |
| 02:47.15 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro: no he does |
| 02:47.18 | sbk | pmcdonnell: one moment, let me check the man page... it's been a while |
| 02:47.28 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: uh, then something else is screwy, since it's in both testing and unstable. |
| 02:47.41 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: check the output of apt-cache policy|grep non-free; |
| 02:47.41 | npx_ | He doesn't have non-free in his sources.list don |
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| 02:47.50 | sbk | pmcdonnell: first, (from your server) run rpcinfo 192.168.0.2 |
| 02:47.51 | dud | perhaps you're using a corrupted mirror sean_micken |
| 02:48.01 | sbk | verify that you see the statd service running |
| 02:48.02 | dud | it happens every now and then.... |
| 02:48.10 | dondelelcaro | npx_: read about 5 lines above your comment... |
| 02:48.15 | npx_ | shit |
| 02:48.17 | npx_ | sry =) |
| 02:48.25 | dondelelcaro | no worries... ;-) |
| 02:48.35 | raid5 | Guerin, hehe supern0ber down :( :p |
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| 02:48.46 | sean_micken | dud: dondelelcaro: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia-glx&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all -- nvidia-glx isn't there. |
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| 02:49.03 | pmcdonnell | sbk, rpcinfo needs a command line switch before the host name, so I went to investigate: |
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| 02:49.13 | pmcdonnell | [root@node0:~]# man rpcinfo |
| 02:49.13 | pmcdonnell | Reformatting rpcinfo(8), please wait... |
| 02:49.13 | pmcdonnell | man: command exited with status 11: (echo '.ll 173n'; /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/zmanIj6Wzb) | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -rLL=173n -rLT=173n -Tascii | exec /usr/bin/pager-s |
| 02:49.17 | dud | as long as I have nvidia drivers working... its all fine by me ;) |
| 02:49.21 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: ah, must have just been removed from testing then. |
| 02:49.28 | npx_ | sean_micken if all else fails do: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) and get the drivers from www.nvidia.com |
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| 02:49.35 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=nvidia-glx shows it in unstable though... |
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| 02:49.40 | sbk | pmcdonnell: shoot, I'm currently running on freebsd -- let me see if linux uses a different set of options |
| 02:49.41 | dud | took me a while to compile a custom kernel to get rid of that darn rivafb module |
| 02:49.45 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro: right. |
| 02:49.45 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: and there's no reason why you can't just download it using wget and dpkg -i it. |
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| 02:49.55 | npx_ | dud, you can just...not load it =) |
| 02:50.04 | sbk | pmcdonnell: rpcinfo -p <hostname> |
| 02:50.10 | npx_ | echo rivafb >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 02:50.14 | dud | npx_, it wasnt a module on my amd64 setup... |
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| 02:50.20 | npx_ | oh, that sucks ass. |
| 02:50.21 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: things get removed from time to time from testing if they're so buggy that they're going to hold up release. Non-free shite is typically like that, because there's no way for anyone to actually fix it. |
| 02:50.24 | dud | or, I dont think it was hmm |
| 02:50.30 | dud | anyway, everything is dandy now hehe |
| 02:50.34 | npx_ | right on |
| 02:50.38 | Thanatermesis | how to configure a router redirection port in 2 windows-machinescted for mount -t smb windows-machine in my directory-computer ? |
| 02:50.51 | sbk | pmcdonnell: 'course, hostname under question is 192.168.0.2, the client... sure you picked that up :) |
| 02:50.54 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: your question is not making any sense at all. |
| 02:51.12 | dud | now try again Thanatermesis, only this time in english |
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| 02:51.26 | pmcdonnell | sbk, yes, but shit is seriously broken... This might take a while |
| 02:51.27 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: if you allow connections on port 137 and 139, you should be able to connect ot the machines using SMB> |
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| 02:51.45 | DrPete | i have just compiled and installed the new kernel, i get this error modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.29/modules.dep (No such file or directory). I did make dep, howcome this is happening> |
| 02:52.05 | Thanatermesis | lo siento por mi ingles dondelelcaro , quiero montar por samba un directorio de una maquina, no tengo problema al hacer eso sobre una maquina-IP, pero no se hacerlo a una maquina detras de un router porque tiene IP privada... :/ |
| 02:52.08 | raid5 | Guerin, you download much stuff? |
| 02:52.20 | Guerin | raid5: yes, but not from emule |
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| 02:52.30 | npx_ | raid5, giftd is the shiznite |
| 02:52.39 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, tengo que usar los puertos 137 y 139 del router de los windows pues? |
| 02:52.48 | Guerin | if by that you mean "completelye worthless", then I'm with you |
| 02:52.54 | npx_ | I firmly believe it is the project for which the term shiznite was originally termed |
| 02:53.18 | sbk | pmcdonnell: no worries. That's pretty much what you should verify. And if statd *does* show up, verify further with this command: "rpcinfo -u 192.168.0.2 statd" and "rpcinfo -t 192.168.0.2 statd" -- if everything in this succeeds, then I'm lost. If anything in this fails, then need to examine why rpc.statd on client isn't responding |
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| 02:53.53 | pmcdonnell | ok, thanks, but now I'm unable to log in at all.... wtf? |
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| 02:54.02 | pmcdonnell | (I'm doing this over ssh) |
| 02:54.03 | raid5 | Guerin, mind me asking what do you use ? :) |
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| 02:54.30 | sbk | pmcdonnell: :-) hm... unable to login, as in unable to connect to the sshd? Or do you get a password prompt at least |
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| 02:54.46 | chealer | TheStar: about freebsd port, it's probably not that great if you look at popcon.debian.org |
| 02:54.48 | pmcdonnell | I get a password prompt, hangs after that |
| 02:54.50 | Conq | Has any had any experience converting the OO.o 1.9 rpms to .deb packages? |
| 02:55.01 | Guerin | raid5: I use ftp and bittorrent, mostly. |
| 02:55.05 | npx_ | raid5, guerin listens to indonesians blowing into jugs full of picked human genitalia when he wants to hear music |
| 02:55.10 | sbk | pmcdonnell: *thinks* is your home directory on an NFS server by any chance? |
| 02:55.11 | Guerin | raid5: however, this is wildly offtopic here. |
| 02:55.15 | chealer | although almost all ports except ppc and amd64 are really low |
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| 02:55.21 | TheStar | chealer: Thanks. |
| 02:55.21 | Guerin | not gennetalia |
| 02:55.26 | Guerin | s/nn/n/ |
| 02:55.38 | Guerin | Conq: I've failed twice at it |
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| 02:55.54 | chealer | or you could say it's comparable to ppc64 :) |
| 02:55.58 | Conq | Guerin: How far did you get? :) |
| 02:56.03 | TheStar | chealer: Oh, gee, I wonder why that'd be the case! |
| 02:56.05 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: people in #debian-es will probably be able to help you better than I can. |
| 02:56.17 | raid5 | Guerin, ok...can you recommend me a good bt client please ? soz to b offtopic again |
| 02:56.17 | Thanatermesis | all sleeps dondelelcaro :S |
| 02:56.21 | linux_newbie | r3z: u still here? |
| 02:56.25 | Guerin | Conq: I got them converted both times, and installed with some difficulty, but I never could get the damn thing running. |
| 02:56.31 | r3z | uhh ya |
| 02:56.36 | Guerin | raid5: bittornado |
| 02:56.37 | Thanatermesis | you understand-me dondelelcaro :/ |
| 02:56.42 | Guerin | raid5: btlaunchmanycurses |
| 02:56.42 | linux_newbie | cool, i got my kernel to compile and install |
| 02:56.47 | raid5 | Guerin, ta |
| 02:56.54 | linux_newbie | except it won't connect to my network :S |
| 02:57.11 | pmcdonnell | sbk, I'm logging in as root |
| 02:57.11 | linux_newbie | i've been looking it over and i think everything is activated that needs to be |
| 02:57.16 | dud | qtorrent is the best I've ever used |
| 02:57.27 | npx_ | raid5, giftd + giftcurs (or apollon if you use KDE) |
| 02:57.36 | npx_ | plus gift-fasttrack (google) |
| 02:57.39 | sbk | pmcdonnell: sorry then, sounds like there are a slew of things going on there, I'm probably not gonna be much use -- sorry |
| 02:57.40 | dud | bittornado/bittorrent just kept not being able to connect to trackers, and ctorrent is too hard to use |
| 02:57.49 | nostalg1c | is there an easy way to make my home/end keys work over ssh ? i'm using putty to connect to my sshd |
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| 02:58.02 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: try asking debian-user-spanish then... (or waiting for someone in #debian-es to wake up...) |
| 02:58.06 | raid5 | npx_, which protocol does giftd use? eDonkey/Bittorrent? |
| 02:58.11 | dondelelcaro | Thanatermesis: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org |
| 02:58.18 | Guerin | nostalg1c: given the insecurity of windows machines, you DO NOT want to have your ssh keys stored on one |
| 02:58.24 | Guerin | nostalg1c: use passwords |
| 02:58.25 | linux_newbie | any suggestions |
| 02:58.32 | npx_ | raid5, it uses several (gnutella, openft, fasttrack (kazaa)) |
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| 02:58.39 | Thanatermesis | humm.. ok, thanks |
| 02:58.50 | raid5 | k will giv that a try aswell |
| 02:58.51 | nostalg1c | Guerin, no, i mean home/end.. the keyboard buttons :) |
| 02:58.55 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin | *whew* |
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| 02:59.04 | nostalg1c | i get ~ whenever i press those :) |
| 02:59.20 | Conq | Guerin: did you ever get an error like "Use of uninitialized value in die at /usr/share/perl5/Alien/Package/Deb.pm line 488" |
| 02:59.21 | npx_ | raid5, be *sure* to go ask dumbshit questions in #gift if you do try it |
| 02:59.34 | r3z | linux_newbie, I apparently wasnt the one you were talking too |
| 02:59.37 | npx_ | raid5, half the fun of using gift is giving the developers a hard time |
| 02:59.42 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone know if they ever going to gxmame again? |
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| 02:59.48 | linux_newbie | oh, i thought you were...sorry |
| 02:59.52 | SDFH_Linux | update gxmame* |
| 02:59.52 | Guerin | Conq: nope. I probably tried to do a different version than you, though - last was about a month ago |
| 02:59.53 | raid5 | npx_, hehe |
| 03:00.00 | nostalg1c | Guerin, any idea on that? :) |
| 03:00.02 | pmcdonnell | sbk, thanks anyway - I appreciate your help... If my computers haven't already burst into flames, I'll look into that statd<->lockd issue |
| 03:00.06 | Guerin | nostalg1c: none, sorry. |
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| 03:00.25 | nostalg1c | np, tnx anyways |
| 03:00.28 | npx | pmcdonnell I admire your perseverence |
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| 03:00.41 | linux_newbie | well, does anyone have any suggestions as to what to look for, this is my first kernel config. i used make xconfig and the 2.4.27 kernel source with debian woody net install |
| 03:01.07 | linux_newbie | everything seemed to go well, except (so far) it won't connect to my network |
| 03:01.18 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: assuming PuTTy, look under 'Change Settings','Keyboard' - they work fine for me with 'standard' for me. Check your $TERM |
| 03:01.22 | npx | linux_newbie watch out for rogue ethernet drivers |
| 03:01.30 | npx | those sons of bitches aren't to be trusted |
| 03:02.00 | linux_newbie | what do u mean by 'rogue' drivers? |
| 03:02.01 | maher | linux_newbie: why don' tyou use a standard kernel? look in the logs |
| 03:02.08 | frem | linux_newbe: what kind of ethernet card do you have? |
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| 03:02.36 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, checking |
| 03:02.38 | Conq | Guerin: Well, then, I guess I'll forget about it for now. :) are you familiar with the openoffice.org-kde package by any chance? :) |
| 03:02.39 | kremlyn | Hmm. I created a user, kremlyn, when i installed this machine. All email messages for root are going to this user.. now I want to change this so that all mail for root go to a new user I've created, 'rob'.. how do I do that? |
| 03:03.00 | maher | kremlyn: edit /etc/aliases |
| 03:03.01 | kremlyn | nm, it's /etc/aliases right? |
| 03:03.04 | linux_newbie | it's built in to my compaq 1800T laptop, plus i have a USR 5410 wireless. I haven't been able to get the wireless to work, and i couldn't find the sources for the 2.4.26-1-386 kernel which debian auto installed |
| 03:03.09 | kremlyn | Yeah, thanks maher :-) |
| 03:03.39 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone know how to make firestarter automatically at startup |
| 03:03.49 | linux_newbie | the built in card works with the orginal kernel, but i can't find kernel sources for it |
| 03:04.16 | raid5 | npx, k...do you use eDonkey db at all? |
| 03:04.26 | npx | no, edonkey = hate |
| 03:04.52 | wnorrix | which package has ps2html? |
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| 03:05.14 | npx | worrix pstools I think? |
| 03:05.38 | Guerin | Conq: nope, not at all. |
| 03:05.43 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, actually, it works great when connecting to a slackware box (putty, $TERM=xterm), but not to a debian box (putty, $TERM=xterm) |
| 03:05.47 | npx | worrix packages.debian.org has answers |
| 03:06.20 | npx | nostalg1c you tried cygwin? it really whups the llamas ass |
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| 03:06.57 | npx | nostalg1c and so far I haven't even though about $TERM...it just seems to work and whatnot |
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| 03:07.19 | Guerin | better yet |
| 03:07.23 | nostalg1c | npx, i have no interest in using cygwin, but thanks for the suggestion :) obviously slackware manages to make it work, so if i try hard enough, i might just make it work without cygwin in debian too :) |
| 03:07.24 | Guerin | just don't use windows |
| 03:07.24 | findme | suddenly |
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| 03:07.41 | beardy | npx: it is a bit overkill if one only wishes to ssh to a box |
| 03:07.50 | linux_newbie | any suggestions on what part of the xconfig to look in and what things i should look for? |
| 03:08.04 | beardy | nostalg1c: what is it that doesn't work for you? |
| 03:08.10 | Guerin | beardy: not necessarily. there's a cygwin openssh client which is standalone. |
| 03:08.35 | FieldySnuts | @abuse cygwin |
| 03:08.49 | nostalg1c | beardy, using my home/end keys in putty result in '~' on debian (and fbsd, but that's not really important), but they work just fine when ssh'ing to a slackware box |
| 03:09.04 | Guerin | nostalg1c: do they work locally? |
| 03:09.15 | npx | beardy, if you're ssh-ing to unix boxen from windows, cygwin is a good idea imo (if only for scp) |
| 03:09.17 | dud | home gives me H and end F for me |
| 03:09.26 | nostalg1c | Guerin, i wouldn't know, the box is in america and i'm in belgium ;) |
| 03:09.31 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:09.41 | dud | sshing from pure64 to i386 debians |
| 03:09.55 | kremlyn | Hmm. Go to install postfix, and as a chain of dependencies it wants to install X-Free-86!! How on earth...? |
| 03:10.08 | nostalg1c | kremlyn, not for me.. :) |
| 03:10.13 | TheStar | kremlyn: I've installed postfix, and it didn't want x... |
| 03:10.28 | dud | I've noticed some pretty wanked up dependencies when trying to run an x-less debian as well |
| 03:10.36 | kremlyn | Whack.. this is on sarge. |
| 03:10.36 | topa_ | !beagle |
| 03:10.39 | dondelelcaro | dud: where? |
| 03:10.42 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: actually they're broken here too - irssi was patching it up |
| 03:10.46 | linux_newbie | well, i'm outtie |
| 03:10.54 | dondelelcaro | dud: there shouldn't be any dependencies on an X server, period. |
| 03:10.55 | raid5 | can anyone tell me whats that player on the top right is? http://code-monkey.de/sshots/2004-01-01.png |
| 03:11.10 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, well, it's not like i can't live with it really, it'd just be fun if they worked ;) |
| 03:11.20 | kremlyn | dondelelcaro: There is.. for postfix 2.1.5-4 in sarge.. |
| 03:11.26 | dud | well, a pop3 dæmon wanted to install xserver-common, libfreetype and xfree86 |
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| 03:11.35 | kremlyn | dud: Exactly! |
| 03:11.36 | npx | nostalg1c do a diff of 'env' output on the two machines |
| 03:11.48 | npx | something will turn up |
| 03:12.06 | sbk | ooo, a typographically correct daemon too :-) |
| 03:12.13 | nostalg1c | npx, good idea :) |
| 03:12.14 | Guerin | dud: itym dæmon |
| 03:12.33 | dondelelcaro | !depends postfix sarge |
| 03:12.39 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libgdbm3, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3) |
| 03:12.42 | dud | raid5, it says eplayer is running in one of the terminals |
| 03:12.57 | dud | Guerin, itym? |
| 03:13.07 | npx | I told your mom |
| 03:13.13 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:13.13 | dud | oh hmm |
| 03:13.18 | Guerin | !itym |
| 03:13.18 | dpkg | i guess itym is I Think You Mean |
| 03:13.18 | kremlyn | dondelelcaro: Could it be aptitude borking up here? |
| 03:13.18 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: compare output of 'stty -a' |
| 03:13.30 | dud | heh, I have æ on my keyboard, so I might as well use it |
| 03:13.46 | Guerin | dud: now you just need to use a real charset :) |
| 03:13.48 | dondelelcaro | kremlyn: it's possibly that you didn't have something that provides mail-reader, and the first thing that it grabbed required X. |
| 03:14.16 | kremlyn | Ahh.. so if I installed mutt, maybe first? |
| 03:14.27 | npx | kremlyn or just added it to the install line |
| 03:14.33 | dondelelcaro | kremlyn: but there sure doesn't seem to be any Depends: relationship with any X libraries, let alone the X server itself. |
| 03:14.36 | drac | Anyone here using "torsmo", system monitor? I remember there was something to make it stop "blinking", but can't remember what.. |
| 03:14.45 | kremlyn | npx: How do I do that? |
| 03:14.59 | npx | kremlyn just append it to apt-get install postfix whatever whatever |
| 03:15.05 | dondelelcaro | although, WTF an mta is recommends: mail-reader is beyond me. |
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| 03:15.32 | kremlyn | dondelelcaro: Me too.. |
| 03:15.46 | dondelelcaro | but whatever... it's not like you can't go aptitude --without-recommends install postfix; if you know better. |
| 03:15.53 | nostalg1c | bbrazil, the only difference is the debian box having "werase = ^W; lnext = ^V; flush = ^O; min = 1; time = 0;", the slackware box not |
| 03:16.23 | dondelelcaro | drac: you can always take a gun out and shoot it. That'll stop it from blinking... |
| 03:16.26 | nostalg1c | npx, apart from different SHLVL, and one of both having LC_ALL=POSIX, nothing that matters really differs |
| 03:16.36 | frem | hey, i'm trying to do a net install of woody, but i can't get my network configured right. i can ping myself, but not my router. |
| 03:16.47 | drac | dondelelcaro: hehe :) it got something to do with 'double buffer' but can't find it in manpages.. :/ |
| 03:17.00 | dondelelcaro | frem: you probably don't have your netmask set properly. |
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| 03:17.25 | drac | nevermind found it in google. |
| 03:17.26 | frem | dondelelcaro: how do i find out what it is? |
| 03:17.37 | dondelelcaro | frem: paste the output of /sbin/ifconfig; and /sbin/route; into #flood |
| 03:17.39 | kremlyn | dondelelcaro: In aptitude, if I tell it not to install Recommends automatically, it will still install the _required_ dependencies, yeah? |
| 03:17.52 | raid5 | dud: cant find a debian port for ePlayer :( |
| 03:18.00 | npx | Depends: and Recommends: are two different things, kremlyn |
| 03:18.17 | dondelelcaro | kremlyn: a required dependency is Depends: a recommended package is Recommends: a suggested package is Suggests: |
| 03:18.17 | dud | raid5, build it from source then... |
| 03:18.18 | kremlyn | npx: Yes, just making sure that I will still get the stuff I _need_ |
| 03:18.30 | dondelelcaro | kremlyn: this is all covered in the debian reference guide |
| 03:18.46 | npx | kremlyn *nods* just trying to fill you in |
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| 03:19.47 | kremlyn | npx: Yeah, thanks :-) Telling it not to automatically install recommends worked |
| 03:20.02 | kremlyn | Now installing postfix installs postfix and resolvconf ;-) |
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| 03:20.29 | kremlyn | Hmm, and not even resolvconf by the looks. Excellent. |
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| 03:20.49 | quant | i want to change the name of my box. what files do i need to change? |
| 03:20.51 | brandonmcw | Dose anyone know how to change boot loaders in Debian from Grub to lilo as default? |
| 03:20.51 | Guerin | !ruby |
| 03:20.51 | dpkg | [ruby] a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com |
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| 03:21.31 | Guerin | brandonmcw: from the installer, you can do this in expert mode |
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| 03:21.58 | Guerin | brandonmcw: otherwise; apt-get install lilo grub- |
| 03:22.03 | Nexus | Ok. I'm trying to install nagios, and it's simply not working. It's not installing files that it should in /etc. Anyone here running nagios? |
| 03:22.21 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: only other thing I can think of is to compare termcap entries |
| 03:22.28 | bbrazil | nostalg1c: hmm, TERM=xterm-debian makes it work |
| 03:23.44 | Nexus | Why don't things install in /etc? |
| 03:24.16 | Nexus | The config files for nagios and nagios-plugin's aren't installing anymore. I'm so confused... |
| 03:25.25 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: use the --force-configmiss option of dpkg to install them. |
| 03:25.49 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: removing configuration files is a valid administrator action, and the Debian packaging system respects that action. |
| 03:26.04 | Nexus | dondelelcaro, So... dpkg works the the same way as apt-get or how exactly do I do that? |
| 03:26.11 | United | Guerin, you have no clue with this pam support right? |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | United: no, not any more |
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| 03:26.25 | Guerin | sorry |
| 03:26.26 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: it's different for apt-get |
| 03:26.30 | TheStar | Why are the "low ports" restricted to root only? |
| 03:26.53 | Nexus | dondelelcaro, I've only just started learning how to use apt-get and not quite sure about how to use dpkg... |
| 03:26.55 | TheStar | (those <= 1024) |
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| 03:27.19 | quant | i want to change the name of my box. what files do i need to change? |
| 03:27.23 | loke | im trying to mount a ntfs drive with read/write perms but i keep getting 'operation not permitted' when i try to mkdir? |
| 03:27.41 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: it'll be something like apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install foofile; |
| 03:27.52 | scarynetworkguy | TheStar: Go read a TCP/IP textbook. :) |
| 03:27.55 | dondelelcaro | Nexus: or dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/nagios.... |
| 03:28.11 | frem | loke: isent r/w on ntfs, like, potentially really, really dangerous? |
| 03:28.25 | loke | frem ?? |
| 03:28.25 | TheStar | scarynetworkguy: I don't have one :( |
| 03:28.32 | TheStar | scarynetworkguy: And currently, I can't get one. |
| 03:28.34 | loke | TheStar google |
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| 03:28.44 | frem | loke: n/m |
| 03:28.45 | raid5 | dud, cant find the source either :( |
| 03:29.05 | equnix | okey, what is initrd and why do i need it for my custom kernel? i don't want it! :) |
| 03:29.19 | scarynetworkguy | TheStar: The first k of ports are reserved thus can only be opened by root. It's the way TCP/IP is built. Long story short. |
| 03:29.33 | loke | guys, im trying to mount a ntfs drive with read write perms but keep getting 'operation not permitted', im doing: mount -w -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows |
| 03:29.34 | xam | TheStar: historical reasons. Most important services like www, ssh, telnet, ftp run on those ports <1024. Imagine a server at a university with thousands of student accounts, and suddendly one decides to install apache on port 80 and it would work ... |
| 03:29.55 | Nexus | dondelelcaro, Sweet. Exactly what I needed. Many thanx. |
| 03:30.00 | United | Guerin, so you think ssl with tls forced will be good enough? |
| 03:30.20 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 03:30.20 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. This is usually not the case.... |
| 03:30.51 | scarynetworkguy | xam: It is not historical reasons its the way the fucking protcol is built. |
| 03:30.53 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss =~ s/This is usually not the case..../You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>/ |
| 03:30.53 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 03:31.00 | TheStar | xam: Suppose I ran an irc server? |
| 03:31.01 | loke | 'ls |
| 03:31.04 | TheStar | xam: What's the difference? |
| 03:31.11 | TheStar | That's port 6667, btw. |
| 03:31.26 | scarynetworkguy | TheStar: And thus a high port. |
| 03:31.28 | Guerin | United: that's what I use. As long as you encrypt all access to the mysql db, enforce ssl to webmail etc, and enforce tls for smtp and pop/imap, you should be ok to store cleartext passwords in the mysqldb |
| 03:31.43 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite Guerin |
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| 03:31.56 | xam | The Star: as I said, it is historical. IRC is rather recent |
| 03:32.00 | scarynetworkguy | Even then you shouldn't. |
| 03:32.25 | TheStar | scarynetworkguy: I was poking a hole in xam's theory. |
| 03:32.26 | Guerin | United: the only issue is that people with legitimate access to the mysql database will be able to read and change these passwords if you don't set up your mysql privilege separation properly. |
| 03:32.45 | scarynetworkguy | TheStar: What is his theory? |
| 03:33.00 | xam | scarynetworkguy: okay genius, now explain me why ports <1024 are bound to root by the protocol, when there exist a couple of OS that don't have the concept of 'root' |
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| 03:33.42 | scarynetworkguy | xam: Because those OSes didn't have TCP/IP stacks when the protocl was written. They are borken. |
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| 03:33.47 | United | Guerin can you help me with this? |
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| 03:34.07 | xam | scarynetworkguy: not every OS == Unix. |
| 03:34.33 | Guerin | United: no, it's a big job to encrypt all sensitive network communication. I'll summarise, though: |
| 03:34.46 | scarynetworkguy | xam: Right and none of them implement TCP/IP properly. Sad fact of life. |
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| 03:35.19 | routerdog | netmask does not match route address. I just want to set up the route. |
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| 03:36.46 | dud | gah! dvd::rip failed after 10h of encoding! |
| 03:36.52 | cafuego | routerdog: 'route add default gw <router ip>' |
| 03:36.58 | dud | stupid fucking audio filter just crashed |
| 03:37.01 | Guerin | United: set up apache-ssh for webmail and any web admin frontends; enforce tls over smtp in main.cf; install and require the use of ssl-capable imap and popds; if your mysql and your mta are on separate machines, encrypt their communication; set up a specific mysql user for your postfix database, and make sure no other mysql users can read or write to that database (except root). |
| 03:37.08 | Guerin | United: this is a Big Job. |
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| 03:37.14 | xam | TheStar: ports <1024 are also known as the 'well known ports'. about 15 years ago most people only used smtp, nntp, ftp and telnet. IRC, www and all the other crap wasn't invented |
| 03:37.26 | dud | ffs |
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| 03:37.38 | routerdog | cafuego is that my prob now its my isp |
| 03:37.57 | TheStar | Guerin: You could also setup a vpn... |
| 03:38.10 | bbrazil | irc = 194 for some reason ircd=6667 |
| 03:38.11 | Guerin | TheStar: for what? |
| 03:38.23 | TheStar | Guerin: To encrypt all communications. |
| 03:38.39 | Guerin | TheStar: between one server and an arbitrary number of clients? |
| 03:38.48 | cafuego | !gophersmite xam |
| 03:38.49 | Guerin | TheStar: that's an Even Bigger Job. |
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| 03:39.05 | xam | !veronicasmite cafuego |
| 03:39.14 | TheStar | Guerin: Oh, forget that! |
| 03:39.27 | TheStar | Guerin: Looks like I missed that part of the discussion. |
| 03:39.50 | xam | cafuego: okay, there was also archie, gopher, veronica and wais .. |
| 03:40.27 | cafuego | xam: and don't forget ln -sf /dev/chargen /dev/null |
| 03:40.28 | xam | cafugeo: not to forget finger ;) |
| 03:41.20 | Seb | what do you make of a wifi card that associates to anything ? Whatevr i tell iwconfig to set as essid and ap mac adress, the next iwconfig config always shows the NIC as associated :\ |
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| 03:41.56 | quant | how can i search the fs for a word? |
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| 03:42.10 | Guerin | quant: fs? |
| 03:42.15 | xam | cafuego: yeah, it was nice to spoof an IP address and make two machines spam each other ;) |
| 03:42.16 | quant | file system |
| 03:42.26 | Guerin | quant: searching filenames, or within files? |
| 03:42.31 | quant | within |
| 03:42.36 | doleyb | quant: find / -exec grep word \{\} \; |
| 03:42.48 | cafuego | xam: Until death did them part ;-) |
| 03:42.54 | quant | i am looking for "vpn" specifically |
| 03:42.56 | xam | hehe |
| 03:42.56 | dud | or find / -name word |
| 03:43.03 | quant | i need to learn how to use that grep |
| 03:43.11 | dud | '*word*' for wildcarding |
| 03:43.16 | cafuego | quant: rgrep word . |
| 03:43.23 | Guerin | grep is peasy |
| 03:43.32 | quant | rgrep? |
| 03:43.40 | cafuego | Recursive GREP |
| 03:43.41 | Guerin | yeah, egrep -ri would be my choice |
| 03:43.45 | chealer | quant: yeah, you really should :) |
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| 03:44.02 | Guerin | I wouldn't start in / though - I'd start in /etc and then in /usr/share |
| 03:44.03 | routerdog | cafuego still same error? |
| 03:44.15 | cafuego | routerdog: What error? |
| 03:44.17 | xnotte | what's the number to "chmod" to only be executed by owner ? |
| 03:44.20 | dud | well, almost 5am here |
| 03:44.24 | dud | night folks |
| 03:44.27 | dud | or good morning rather |
| 03:44.29 | routerdog | about route. |
| 03:44.32 | dud | but alas, I'm sleeping |
| 03:44.38 | Guerin | xnotte: 700 |
| 03:44.42 | xnotte | Guerin, thx |
| 03:44.48 | Guerin | xnotte: that's also read and write access |
| 03:44.51 | dud | or 100 |
| 03:44.54 | cafuego | routerdog: I didn't see you post any actual erros here; I just recommended to a disconnected screen. |
| 03:45.03 | xnotte | Guerin, that's what i wanted, thx |
| 03:45.58 | quant | do any of you know how to change a computer name? i changed it in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname but i don't know if that is enough.. |
| 03:46.04 | routerdog | cafuego you told me to make my router default. netmask does not match route address |
| 03:47.43 | cafuego | routerdog: What does the netmask have to do with the default route? |
| 03:47.50 | Seb | p |
| 03:48.03 | xam | quant: that's usually enough. You might have it in some other config files, eg. your mailserver (exim) etc., but if you just have a simple base install there is nothing more to change. You might want to run 'hostname' to change the hostname however |
| 03:48.27 | routerdog | cafuego nothing I am trying to add route to workstation |
| 03:48.51 | quant | i removed exim it gets on my nerves. i will be unplugging the pc anyways so it will reset when reboot |
| 03:49.26 | TheStar | quant: Why? |
| 03:49.37 | TheStar | quant: You want to run linux without an mta? |
| 03:49.39 | quant | why? |
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| 03:49.55 | quant | why would i need one? |
| 03:50.08 | dam | qzsr |
| 03:50.14 | quant | they're just servers |
| 03:50.18 | Poprocks | many reasons to have an mta |
| 03:50.47 | TheStar | quant: If a daemon or crontab has a problem, they may try to mail you. |
| 03:50.47 | quant | i have an mta on my mail server :) |
| 03:50.48 | dondelelcaro | quant: you always want an mta. If you don't need exim, use something like nullmailer or ssmtp instead. |
| 03:50.49 | xam | poprocks even more not to have one ;) |
| 03:51.14 | TheStar | quant: In the unix world, every computer has an mta. |
| 03:51.15 | Poprocks | xam, if you want to use a proper MUA and not bloatware that tries to do everything, you will need one |
| 03:51.20 | Guerin | and don't complain that it's not going to be on the internet, so you don't need an mta |
| 03:51.28 | xam | poprocks: I mean mta like anything != nullmailer |
| 03:51.45 | Poprocks | oh |
| 03:51.49 | quant | Guerin: haha, i'm not going to. i made the decision myself |
| 03:52.02 | Guerin | quant: you need one for local mail delivery. |
| 03:52.11 | quant | oh right |
| 03:52.18 | TheStar | Guerin: He could always learn the hard way... |
| 03:52.20 | xam | Guerin: some people read /var/log/* ;)P |
| 03:52.20 | Guerin | quant: cronjobs, auth failed notifications, etc. |
| 03:52.21 | TheStar | Guerin: :) |
| 03:52.24 | quant | and exim is what people settle for? |
| 03:52.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:52.33 | TheStar | quant: exim is the default. |
| 03:52.38 | Poprocks | quant, not me personally I prefer Postfix :-) |
| 03:52.53 | quant | just a hassle to have to keep setting one up all the time |
| 03:53.08 | TheStar | quant: A hassle setting one up? |
| 03:53.16 | quant | yes |
| 03:53.24 | Poprocks | Debian basically sets it up for you... |
| 03:53.25 | xam | cmon people ... how often do you real local mail on you box that is NOT connected to the internet? |
| 03:53.28 | Guerin | ffs, it's a couple of questions in debconf |
| 03:53.29 | Xenguy | . o O ( 9 out of 10 doctors are assholes ) |
| 03:53.30 | xam | real=read |
| 03:53.31 | TheStar | quant: Dude, exim comes installed by default, asks you one question, go with the option "local delivery only"!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:53.41 | drac | xam: everyday. |
| 03:53.44 | dondelelcaro | quant: I personally use nullmailer. there's virtually no setup. You just set who local mail should go to, and what the smtp host you want to use is. |
| 03:53.53 | Guerin | xam: never, since I don't have any boxen which aren't. |
| 03:53.55 | xam | Xenguy: thanks ... I'm a PhD student, basically on the way becoming an asshole ;) |
| 03:54.02 | quant | ok |
| 03:54.17 | quant | points taken |
| 03:54.19 | Xenguy | xam: heh |
| 03:54.22 | quant | i will put them back on |
| 03:54.32 | Xenguy | xam: blame it on BX :P |
| 03:54.36 | xam | Guerin: okay, which of those PCs are configured for local mail only and how often do you check local mail on them? |
| 03:55.04 | Guerin | xam: none... they all forward to my mail server on the internet. |
| 03:55.22 | xam | damn, you are not making this easy for me ;-P |
| 03:55.24 | quant | cheers for the help guys |
| 03:55.33 | Guerin | xam: :) |
| 03:55.39 | quant | going to unplug this now, see ya! |
| 03:55.43 | ^m0se5 | Hey all. I'm getting an error in my apt-get update. -> http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Connection failed |
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| 03:56.11 | ^m0se5 | all the rest downloaded. |
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| 03:56.39 | dondelelcaro | Poprocks: eh? |
| 03:56.47 | TheStar | Poprocks: What's startup notification? |
| 03:57.10 | Poprocks | it's like.. a freedesktop spec thingy |
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| 03:57.20 | xam | !slashdot |
| 03:57.23 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (10 shown): Build Your Own Rotary-Dial Cell Phone ;; Inside the iPod, Past and Present ;; Streaming a Database in Real Time ;; The Know-It-All ;; No Money For Hubble Service Mission ;; Exeem Open Beta Released ;; Apple Explains How to Run X11 on MacOS ;; Consumer Electronics Companies Plan Common DRM Standard ;; A Brief FAQ on CableCards ;; Michael Powell to Leave FCC. |
| 03:57.25 | Poprocks | GTK and Qt support it |
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| 03:57.42 | TheStar | Poprocks: So, what does it do? |
| 03:57.53 | Poprocks | TheStar, do you use kde or gnome currently? |
| 03:57.57 | TheStar | Poprocks: No. |
| 03:58.12 | Poprocks | when was the last time you tried them out |
| 03:58.17 | xam | mhh, there was also "Sun Releases Largest Radiation Storm in 15 Years" ... the first thing I thought was "why would Sun Microsystems do something like that"? |
| 03:58.25 | TheStar | Poprocks: Just tell me :) |
| 03:58.29 | Guerin | xam: heh, me too |
| 03:58.30 | Poprocks | heh ok sorry |
| 03:58.31 | TheStar | Poprocks: I've used them before. |
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| 03:58.47 | Poprocks | well you know how when you start an application, a busy cursor appears? |
| 03:58.52 | Python__ | hi |
| 03:59.00 | Poprocks | and it disappears after the app has started |
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| 03:59.09 | TheStar | Yup. |
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| 03:59.15 | TheStar | Ok, I see. |
| 03:59.15 | bucky | hi Python__ |
| 03:59.38 | xam | Guerin: well, I worked for them a while ago, so it is just natural that I identify Sun = Sun Microsystems |
| 03:59.40 | United | Guerin chek this out: |
| 03:59.40 | United | If you use saslauthd, you have no chance to authenticate with shared-secret |
| 03:59.40 | United | mechs like digest-md5. If you really want digest-md5 you have to store your |
| 03:59.40 | United | accounts in sasldb or another auxprop-db (mysql, ldap,...). But not via |
| 03:59.40 | United | saslauthd/pam. Use the sasl-auxprop-plugin for mysql instead. |
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| 04:00.15 | cafuego | Or just use PLAIN or LOGIN mechs via SSL. |
| 04:00.38 | cafuego | Makes life a lot easier. |
| 04:00.40 | Python__ | dous anyone know how to configure a mouse in debian. i did a knoppix hardrive install. then did apt-get update then apt-get upgrade now my mouse dousnt work. i am using a normal optical ps2 2button scrol mouse |
| 04:00.49 | Guerin | United: funky. |
| 04:00.53 | mwilson | Python__: So you're running Knoppix. |
| 04:00.55 | cafuego | Python__: This is not #knoppix. |
| 04:00.56 | Guerin | United: don't paste |
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| 04:01.03 | United | Guerin, if i figure this out i will let you know how and what. |
| 04:01.05 | mwilson | Python__: You have everyone's sympathy. |
| 04:01.08 | Python__ | knoppix is debian |
| 04:01.14 | mwilson | Python__: Except it's not. |
| 04:01.16 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:01.16 | cafuego | Python__: No, it's not. |
| 04:01.18 | xam | Python_ you might consider reconfiguring you keyboard aswell, it swallows characters ;) |
| 04:01.33 | cafuego | Python__: You and 200 users per day are wrong. |
| 04:01.34 | Guerin | yeah, and a dvd is just a cd |
| 04:01.42 | TheStar | How can I compare two sets of directories? |
| 04:01.47 | cafuego | TheStar: diff |
| 04:01.50 | TheStar | And see what files differ? (In the tree) |
| 04:01.58 | TheStar | cafuego: diff does that? I'm impressed. |
| 04:01.59 | Python__ | i know it baced on debian |
| 04:02.11 | Guerin | a dvd is based on a cd, too |
| 04:02.17 | cafuego | Python__: That's not relevant. Go ask for help on #knoppix. |
| 04:02.20 | Guerin | but they're not the same, are they? |
| 04:02.20 | xam | Guerin: or a coaster |
| 04:02.21 | Poprocks | Python__, people aren't going to help you here.. why don't you just ask in #knoppix? |
| 04:02.29 | Python__ | ok |
| 04:02.31 | xam | Guerin: more often than not |
| 04:02.36 | Guerin | xam: a coaster is probably a better analogy |
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| 04:03.17 | rob0 | what do y'all prefer when you need a live CD? |
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| 04:03.18 | nvz | cafuego: you can do it |
| 04:03.18 | Python__ | then is there any easy installers for debian |
| 04:03.19 | cafuego | Next time a knoppix users insists they need help I'm going to tell them to run 'rpm -Uvh' |
| 04:03.22 | mwilson | Python__: You've probably broken it... Knoppix is not meant to be upgreadable from Debian repositories, no matter what the idiots that use it tell you. |
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| 04:03.32 | mwilson | rob0: Dunno... never have a need for one. |
| 04:03.53 | TheStar | Python__: People say that the new installer for Sarge (not woody) is much nicer. |
| 04:03.59 | nvz | rob0: do you use debian? |
| 04:04.16 | Python__ | dous it autoconfigure |
| 04:04.19 | cafuego | TheStar: It is indeed. |
| 04:04.23 | mwilson | I had occasion to play with the latest daily of the new installer the other night... it still sucks. |
| 04:04.26 | cafuego | Python__: Try it and see. |
| 04:04.32 | TheStar | cafuego: I just wish I've tried it :( |
| 04:04.41 | Poprocks | I like Gnoppix quite a bit |
| 04:04.47 | nvz | Python__: debian-installer, and yes it uses discover and hotplug just like knoppix |
| 04:04.50 | cafuego | TheStar: I've used it 20-odd times over the past few months. |
| 04:04.58 | Guerin | rob0: i use knoppix, since it's what I already have, and I cba downloading another one just for /bin/bash |
| 04:05.07 | Python__ | that is the only thing i dont like about debian installers is i have never been able to get one up and running |
| 04:05.15 | Python__ | with kde |
| 04:05.20 | mwilson | I find it amusing that if I boot the installer, all I get is lost interrupts on my HD's, but the normal kernel that box uses just hums along. |
| 04:05.35 | frem | Python__: you can run the installer on like anything that has a netowrk connection. |
| 04:05.42 | cafuego | mwilson: What ide controller? |
| 04:05.43 | frem | ...and stuff without |
| 04:06.20 | rob0 | nvz: Slackware mostly, only a few days with Debian, but I expect to be running Debian on /dev/laptop for the foreseeable future. |
| 04:06.23 | mwilson | cafuego: The motherboard is a 440BX, it has two HD's that the installer seems to like. The add-in controller is a Promise TX2 with four drives. |
| 04:06.57 | mwilson | cafuego: But the excuse for a kernel on the installer can't deal with the Promise even though it claims to detect it. |
| 04:07.04 | cafuego | Typical. My 440BX with TX2 box worked just fine (mind you, I used the 2.6 kernel) |
| 04:07.13 | nvz | rob0: if you notice the majority of live distros seem to be based on debian.. thats because debian is quick and easy to configure, and contains tools to make these live cds. |
| 04:07.47 | mwilson | cafuego: Of course, since you can't disable the damn hardware detect, you get to sit there watching it slowly scroll "hde: lost interrupt" until it gets boring and you hit the reset button. |
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| 04:08.52 | cafuego | You could try replacing it with a $12 siimage 3112 |
| 04:09.04 | mwilson | Why? There's nothing at all wrong with the Primise. |
| 04:09.10 | mwilson | Works great. |
| 04:09.20 | mwilson | The *installer* fscks up. |
| 04:09.32 | cafuego | I've had mixed results. The 440 lines it, the nforce3 board doesn't see ANY ide devices with the siimage plugged in. |
| 04:09.53 | cafuego | Mine you, it also sees no ide controllers under Linux atm. |
| 04:09.56 | xam | mwilson: I don't know ... I don't like promise. It never really worked for me |
| 04:10.11 | mwilson | I almost went and looked at the configuration for the kernel the installer was using, to see what the idiot that built it fscked up... but I didn't really care so I stopped. |
| 04:10.39 | cafuego | Anywho |
| 04:10.45 | xam | me? |
| 04:11.01 | mwilson | I was only using it as a rescue disc anyway. |
| 04:11.21 | mwilson | So I just unplugged the controller while I was working with hda. |
| 04:12.14 | Guerin | mwilson: did you tell the people in #debian-boot? |
| 04:12.21 | mwilson | No. |
| 04:12.25 | Guerin | why not? |
| 04:12.28 | mwilson | Why? |
| 04:12.35 | Guerin | So they can fix it? |
| 04:13.25 | mwilson | We've gone from betas to release candidates to the daily I was using last week, I've reported it more than once, it never gets fixed. |
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| 04:13.31 | ^m0se5 | Hey all. I'm getting an error in my apt-get update. -> http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Connection failed |
| 04:13.51 | mwilson | Neither do other things. |
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| 04:15.06 | mwilson | Guerin: If they won't even fix it so that their broken hardware detection is optional, do you actually expect them to fix the hardware detection itself? |
| 04:15.43 | mwilson | Guerin: How much MORE versatile would the installer be if you had the option to safely ignore the device you knew was going to blow things up? |
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| 04:16.22 | mwilson | ^m0se5: Yes, and? |
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| 04:17.57 | ^m0se5 | mwilson, All the other downloads worked. not this one. It hasn't worked for the last few weeks. I checked debian it it's still what they say to use. |
| 04:17.59 | Guerin | mwilson: yeah |
| 04:18.11 | Guerin | mwilson: it should be turnoffable in expert mode |
| 04:18.17 | mwilson | ^m0se5: Testing doesn't have security updates. |
| 04:18.23 | indigirl1 | how unsafe is removing packages? |
| 04:18.35 | mwilson | Guerin: It should be a lot of things. |
| 04:18.41 | Guerin | indigirl1: depends if you want to use them or not. |
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| 04:19.09 | ^m0se5 | mwilson, you sure about that? It always did work. |
| 04:19.10 | indigirl1 | ??? remove means i don't want to use |
| 04:19.26 | mwilson | ^m0se5: I'm sure. |
| 04:19.32 | Guerin | indigirl1: then it's perfectly safe; just apt-get remove <packageyoudon'twant |
| 04:19.33 | Guerin | > |
| 04:19.56 | ^m0se5 | mwilson, k. thankz. |
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| 04:20.19 | indigirl1 | difference between apt and dpkg in effective removal? |
| 04:21.04 | Guerin | indigirl1: apt aoutomatically removes deps; dpkg will halt if you try to break deps. |
| 04:21.14 | indigirl1 | wow |
| 04:21.16 | Guerin | indigirl1: use apt |
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| 04:23.06 | Epilog | hi there |
| 04:23.16 | skiesfalling | pppd is complaining that it cant find a suitable "secret" (password) to connect my 56k modem, but i there is and i have tried all authentication mehtods |
| 04:23.33 | Epilog | how do I disable phpmyadmin so that it only shows up using apache-ssl and https ? |
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| 04:24.30 | nop | Success report with latest d-i snapshot on Mac mini; seems to work well. |
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| 04:24.50 | mwilson | It should... it's just an iBook motherboard. |
| 04:25.37 | Guerin | Epilog: use a VirtualHost with a redirect |
| 04:25.37 | nop | Yeah, but who knows what evil lurks in the heart of Apple? Anyway, does sarge have a plan for dealing with 1-button mice? |
| 04:25.49 | United | Guerin, do you think there is a way just to source install sasl2 with the patch and everything else package installed? or to much of a pain in the ass? |
| 04:26.41 | Guerin | United: big pain in the arse. But you could try to patch the debian source and build a debian package from it. |
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| 04:26.59 | United | Guerin, can you help me with that? please... or send me a link or something |
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| 04:27.36 | nop | mwilson: OK, it's admittedly a Really Big Dongle for OS X, and it's probably going to live that way. But it's also the cheapest *new* non-i386 hardware you can buy. |
| 04:28.00 | TheStar | What's the advantage of non-i386? |
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| 04:28.07 | Guerin | United: it's pretty hairy. apt-get source, apt-get build-dep; put this new patch in the debian/patches dir and run debian/rules binary; hope |
| 04:28.13 | nop | Portability checking, mostly |
| 04:28.20 | TheStar | nop: That it? |
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| 04:28.35 | nop | also, some amount of exploit dodging, but I honestly don't care about that |
| 04:28.37 | findme | being different comes to mind. Different even if it means beign weird. |
| 04:28.49 | United | Guerin can i msg you please? |
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| 04:29.10 | Guerin | United: there's not a lot of point... this is something you either know how to do or you don't. |
| 04:29.23 | Epilog | does apache-ssl also contain normal apache to listen to the 80 port? |
| 04:29.29 | Guerin | I don't really know how to do it; I've just managed to muddle my way through a couple times... |
| 04:29.32 | mwilson | Guerin: Or he browbeats you into doing for him. |
| 04:29.40 | United | Guerin, i dont know how and which source so i patch? there are a couple of files |
| 04:29.55 | TheStar | United: First learn how to compile. |
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| 04:30.12 | TheStar | United: Next, learn how to apply patches. |
| 04:30.14 | mwilson | <sigh> All these people who run Apache, and have no idea how it works... |
| 04:30.15 | United | i know how to compile |
| 04:30.21 | United | i know how to apply patches |
| 04:30.21 | findme | gnome stopped working suddenly, where can I start to debug ? |
| 04:30.34 | nop | mv .gnome .gnome-hideme |
| 04:30.45 | nop | half-joking |
| 04:30.50 | Guerin | United: ok. look into using dh_make; checkinstall, or doing it the way I just told you. |
| 04:31.01 | rellik_ | is there a sound config utility that will help me get my sound up and running? I have 2 cards but one doesn't work (and is onboard)... I guess linux is trying to use that card cause I'm not getting any output from the other |
| 04:31.04 | United | Guerin, which source? libsasl2-modules (the mechanisms for the SASL library) or libsasl2-modules-sql |
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| 04:31.31 | Guerin | United: I don't know which source the patch is supposed to apply to. In this case, it might not work at all. |
| 04:31.55 | United | Guerin, it says apply it to sasl2 on the doc |
| 04:32.16 | Guerin | United: but debian's sasl2 is modularised. |
| 04:32.31 | United | wonderful |
| 04:32.50 | Guerin | United: so look into building upstream source and using checkinstall or stow or something |
| 04:33.19 | TheStar | I'd recommend checkinstall. |
| 04:33.27 | TheStar | You can remove it using normal debian methods. |
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| 04:33.33 | Guerin | United: but better than all of this would be to just take the encryption route I explained in detail earlier |
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| 04:33.58 | Nexus | I can't remember how to see different versions of a package that you can install.. Can someone remind me? |
| 04:33.59 | Guerin | United: it's a lot of work, but it actually yields a substantial security benefit in other ways, too. |
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| 04:34.12 | Guerin | Nexus: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 04:34.31 | nop | man, chatzilla and firebird kinda suck on twm |
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| 04:34.55 | United | Guerin, wonderful |
| 04:34.56 | xam | nop: basically everything sucks on twm, except xterm |
| 04:35.00 | United | Guerin, thank you! :) |
| 04:35.05 | nop | don't forget xclock |
| 04:35.16 | Guerin | United: enjoy |
| 04:35.29 | dondelelcaro | http://www.onkyousa.com/images/products/Receiver/large/txnr1000r.jpg <- now that's a receiver |
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| 04:36.45 | United | dondelelcaro heh |
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| 04:37.39 | ApEtc | dondelelcaro: 7.1? |
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| 04:38.16 | xam | dondelelcaro: that's crap, doesn't even have a phono in |
| 04:38.26 | dondelelcaro | ApEtc: 3 front, two side, two back, one sub. |
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| 04:39.12 | ApEtc | dondelelcaro: Is that something you have, are looking at, or are you just making conversation? |
| 04:39.21 | dondelelcaro | xam: any serious person has a separate phono amp anyway... |
| 04:39.21 | Josh_ | god I love PHP |
| 04:39.26 | Josh_ | o_O |
| 04:39.30 | xam | dondelelcaro: ;) |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | ApEtc: something I ran across... looks rediculous. |
| 04:39.42 | wntd | whatever happened to automatic nick changing. Aaaanyway |
| 04:39.46 | thd | Debian php has unfortunately continued to be compiled --without-pgsql and --without-mysql. Why was that choice taken? What is the best way to keep all the original compilation options but just two without breaking the dpkg system? I found apt-build, but that looks like overkill. |
| 04:40.03 | ApEtc | dondelelcaro: Any idea what the RS232 port is for? |
| 04:40.15 | mwilson | thd: Wrong again. |
| 04:40.22 | ApEtc | And ethernet, no less |
| 04:40.28 | Guerin | thd: apt-cache search php |grep sql |
| 04:40.36 | wntd | I misstyped '+=' instead of '.='. And PHP automatically coerced the string into the integer value 0. With no warnings. |
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| 04:40.39 | wntd | what a great language |
| 04:40.47 | mwilson | thd: Weren't you in here not too long ago complaining about this and someone had to correct you then? |
| 04:41.23 | thd | mwilson: I have only been here once with an .xsession problem. |
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| 04:42.20 | thd | mwilson: I would be hapy to be pointed to the proper tutorial that I have failed to find. |
| 04:42.41 | nop | php is such a poor excuse for a language |
| 04:42.55 | Guerin | thd: you've got your answer. |
| 04:43.04 | dondelelcaro | ApEtc: I'd imagine it's a monitor... but I've no clue. |
| 04:43.05 | mwilson | thd: The php4-mysql and php4-pgsql ( as well as even php4-sqlite) packages DO exist for a reason, after all. |
| 04:43.23 | thd | nop: php would never be my choice, |
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| 04:44.26 | ApEtc | dondelelcaro: Perhaps I'll explore Onkyo's site and settle my curiosity in a bit. Still quite a device. |
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| 04:44.44 | dondelelcaro | ApEtc: oh, it really is rs232... no idea. maybe a sync for dat or something. |
| 04:45.11 | nop | dondelelcaro: probably remote control |
| 04:45.30 | thd | mwilson: I certainly installed both, however the client application that was written by someone else does not use them and complains about no support for postgres being compiled into php. |
| 04:45.44 | ApEtc | dondelelcaro: Sounds feasible. Not much of an audio person myself, so I don't know what other devices might have that sort of connection available. |
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| 04:45.56 | Guerin | thd: that would be a problem with the client app. |
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| 04:49.19 | thd | Guerin: Of course, but I assume that it would be easier to recompile php than rewrite another person's client app to use the php-pgsql module. I have almost no experience with php, I just want to use the client app. |
| 04:49.27 | bhearsum | i cannot get my audigy 2 value working. the emu10k1 alsa module simply does not detect it |
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| 04:50.58 | Guerin | thd: if it's not smart or configurable enough to find php4-pgsql in debian, I'd wonder what else is wrong with it... |
| 04:51.30 | Guerin | !test |
| 04:51.31 | dpkg | No, guerin, you're not online any more. |
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| 04:51.45 | dodgyville | How do I make a module load at boot? |
| 04:51.52 | dondelelcaro | dodgyville: add it to /etc/modules |
| 04:51.56 | Epilog | what version of apache2 should I install? apache2-mpm-perchild apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-mpm-threadpool apache2-mpm-worker |
| 04:52.04 | dondelelcaro | Epilog: depends on what you're doing. |
| 04:52.07 | dodgyville | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
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| 04:52.42 | Epilog | dondelelcaro: mambo, mysql, photo gallery, myphpadmin and 2/3 users per day |
| 04:52.47 | Epilog | besides me |
| 04:52.57 | dondelelcaro | Epilog: they all have different advantages and disadvantages. apache2-mpm-prefork is pretty much the same as apache. |
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| 04:53.16 | hextor | hello.. anyone knows how to install the java plugin for firefox under knoppix? thanks! |
| 04:53.17 | Epilog | dondelelcaro: I also have 1G of ram if that makes any diff in the choice |
| 04:53.27 | Guerin | hextor: #knoppix |
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| 04:54.13 | dondelelcaro | Epilog: nah, doesn't really matter... |
| 04:54.48 | dondelelcaro | Epilog: I'd start with the apache2-mpm-prefork and switch to apache2-mpm-prefork if you need more performance. |
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| 04:56.45 | Guerin | yeah. prefork has way better performance than prefork |
| 04:58.32 | nop | my ego is strictly larger than itself |
| 04:58.35 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. |
| 04:59.17 | Epilog | dondelelcaro: apache2-mpm-prefork and then apache2-mpm-worker ? |
| 04:59.22 | nop | don't a bunch of PHP libraries have multithreading problems with some worker models? |
| 04:59.23 | thd | Guerin: I will investigate reconfiguring or modifying the app. It has very few configuration options. I have not investigated the proper use of php-pgsql since I had no intention of writing php myself. The app in question is phppgadmin. |
| 04:59.49 | Guerin | !find phppgadmin |
| 04:59.54 | dpkg | phppgadmin: (Set of PHP scripts to administrate PostgreSQL over the WWW), section web, is extra. Version: 3.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 576 kB, Installed size: 3448 kB |
| 05:00.07 | Guerin | thd: it's in debian. Use it. |
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| 05:00.29 | rend | what could I use to relay my port 25 on my server to another port... my isp is blocking my outgoing port 25! |
| 05:00.32 | Guerin | thd: there's a hard way to do everything... |
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| 05:01.57 | thd | Guerin: In debian I have installed and configured it correctly as I have on other systems only to find it complaining about no pgsql support compiled into php. |
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| 05:02.33 | Guerin | thd: if you're sure you have it all configured properly, file a bug. |
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| 05:02.55 | Guerin | rend: you can run your smtpd on another port, but your clients will all need to know to use that port to relay mail. I don't know of any way you'll be able to accept incoming mail on it, though. |
| 05:03.27 | rend | Guerin: I'm using a nonstander smtpd server... |
| 05:03.48 | Guerin | rend: this has no relevance. |
| 05:03.50 | rend | I was thinking like I used to use netcat before |
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| 05:04.03 | rend | like a port redirector is what I"m looking for.. |
| 05:04.11 | Nexus | Dang it, I came in here, asked a question and then forgot to read the answer before closing.. How do I see all versions of a particular package I can install? |
| 05:04.40 | nop | rend: either get a better ISP or service plan, or use tunnelling of your choice to a machine that's not in their evil clutches. |
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| 05:04.45 | rend | or maybe info on port tunneling |
| 05:05.02 | Guerin | rend: there are plenty of ways to redirect incoming traffic from one port to another. But if your ISP is blocking inbound on 25, other MTAs won't be able to deliver mail to you. |
| 05:05.06 | rend | nop: SBC is my isp.. it is one of the largest telco around... |
| 05:05.14 | Guerin | rend: unless they know what other port to deliver to. |
| 05:05.14 | rend | I dont run my mailserver on this machine. |
| 05:05.16 | nop | ssh -L25:localhost:25 friendly-relay-host.org |
| 05:05.21 | rend | I just need to connect to my mailserver. |
| 05:05.26 | nop | I'm glad SBC is blocking outbound 25 |
| 05:05.36 | rend | good for you |
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| 05:06.39 | nop | anyway, my local joy aside, you're going to need to get a box that's on the real internet, not just the stupid ghetto the big ISPs want to put us on. I help pay for a colo machine in Texas to deal with this crap. |
| 05:06.59 | rend | i told you already. |
| 05:07.04 | rend | my mailserver is on the "real internet" |
| 05:07.12 | rend | I'm just having trouble connecting to it |
| 05:07.14 | nop | can you ssh to it? |
| 05:07.17 | rend | yes |
| 05:07.38 | nop | so ssh -L25:localhost:25 yourhost.org |
| 05:07.39 | l0k3 | hey you guys should change dpkgs output for 'install x' |
| 05:07.51 | Guerin | !install x |
| 05:07.52 | dpkg | hmm... install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 05:07.57 | thd | Guerin: The app seems to be working as it does on other systems except that it aborts before login with the described complaint. The app might be improved to work with php-pgsql but the lack of direct suppost in php might be an easier remedy than rewriting a standard app. |
| 05:08.04 | Guerin | l0k3: why? |
| 05:08.09 | rend | nop: I need to do that on which box? |
| 05:08.20 | rend | I'm trying to get this windows box to connect so I can send the email from outlook.. |
| 05:08.35 | l0k3 | guerin you know need discover-data, and libdiscover2, they are dependices for discover |
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| 05:08.43 | l0k3 | s/know/now |
| 05:08.59 | Guerin | thd: no; the debian-packaged phppgadmin should work with the debian-packaged php4-pgsql |
| 05:09.01 | l0k3 | Guerin cool? |
| 05:09.06 | nop | do that on your local machine. let local-machine.org be the one in the ghetto. let real-machine.org be the one on the net. ssh -L25:localhost:25 real-machine.org. That will create a tunnel from local-machine port 25 to real-machine port 25 |
| 05:09.18 | Guerin | l0k3: apt-get install discover will bring them in automatically, then. |
| 05:09.26 | l0k3 | Guerin nope |
| 05:09.30 | l0k3 | Guerin it doesnt |
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| 05:09.43 | Guerin | l0k3: then they're not dependent on discover. |
| 05:09.51 | l0k3 | Guerin ive had this problem twice |
| 05:09.52 | nop | I actually do this with 8025/9025/7025 so I can pick which mail server to use. You can config outlook to use another port than 25 |
| 05:09.55 | l0k3 | Guerin thats what apt says |
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| 05:10.26 | rend | hmm, so there is an ssh I can install on windows xp? |
| 05:10.45 | Guerin | rend: yes; use the cygwin client. |
| 05:10.55 | l0k3 | Guerin 'install x', should start with apt-get install discover-data libdiscover2 |
| 05:10.58 | nop | yeah, either cygwin, or if you want more of a UI, google for "putty ssh" |
| 05:10.59 | drac | rend, use PuTTY |
| 05:11.14 | Guerin | l0k3: I still don't get it... but change it if you want |
| 05:11.14 | nop | the putty UI for port forwarding kinda sucks though |
| 05:11.23 | rend | got cygwin on here too.. |
| 05:11.26 | rend | also have putty. |
| 05:11.28 | Guerin | yeah, better to use the cli client in this case |
| 05:11.40 | nop | pull up a cygwin shell, and you should be able to run that SSH command |
| 05:11.46 | l0k3 | Guerin maybe they are not dependencies but you need those two packages to install discover |
| 05:11.51 | nop | oh yeah, tell outlook that your SMTP host is localhost |
| 05:12.03 | rend | thanks |
| 05:12.12 | nop | sorry I was prickly earlier |
| 05:12.13 | l0k3 | Guerin you installed x lately? |
| 05:12.15 | Guerin | l0k3: the bit I'm unclear on is why apt doesn't bring them in automatically. |
| 05:12.23 | l0k3 | Guerin not sure |
| 05:12.37 | l0k3 | Guerin it tells me they are unmet dependencies for discover |
| 05:12.37 | Guerin | l0k3: apt-get install x-window-system-core always worked for me |
| 05:12.48 | Guerin | l0k3: so change it, then. |
| 05:13.11 | l0k3 | Guerin you never apt'd mdetect, read-edid and discover??? |
| 05:13.19 | Guerin | l0k3: nope. |
| 05:13.32 | l0k3 | Guerin i dont know how to change it |
| 05:13.44 | l0k3 | Guerin i never understand when you guys teach me |
| 05:13.46 | rend | nop: sorry that I'm pissed but my isp keeps turning port 25 on and off on me! I mean if you are going to block me at least leave it blocked.. looks like putty will work... |
| 05:13.49 | nop | fwiw, read-edid in sarge on ppc got me a 404 |
| 05:14.53 | l0k3 | Guerin try to apt-get install discover |
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| 05:16.12 | tmanDebian | Anyone home? |
| 05:16.16 | equnix | tmanDebian yep |
| 05:16.46 | tmanDebian | Got the latest Debian and trying to set my environment variables that won't stick. |
| 05:17.41 | tmanDebian | you know anything about setting the $PATH variable in .bash_profile? |
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| 05:18.16 | Guerin | l0k3: The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 05:18.17 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.25 | equnix | i've built a kernel (debian, linux 2.6.10) which wouldn't boot. so i tried (against my will) to use initrd with "mkinitrd /usr/src/linux initrd.img" and inserted that into lilo.conf, but know linux wont even load into memory. can i skip initrd or what can i do? www.dedikerad.se/.config |
| 05:18.26 | Guerin | l0k3: WORKSFORME |
| 05:18.51 | Guerin | equnix: what error without an initrd? |
| 05:18.55 | rend | woo hoo its all working now. FUCK YOU SBC! |
| 05:19.01 | brownmage | I would like some advice on configuring my wireless internet |
| 05:19.03 | nop | rend: yay |
| 05:19.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:19.33 | equnix | Guerin this: kernel panic - not syncing vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (3,1) |
| 05:19.37 | brownmage | I have a laptop with wireless, currently I have to go through a good deal of odd steps to get it working everytime |
| 05:19.44 | Guerin | reminds me of the time my isp here made me sign into a web interface, all in korean, without having told me my signup... and without any instructions on how to register |
| 05:19.57 | tmanDebian | Does anyone know why the $PATH Environment variable will not stick after updatding in .bash_profile? |
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| 05:20.03 | rend | Guerin: I hope the page was in english |
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| 05:20.05 | Guerin | I swore and cursed about it, and set up squid on my texas box ... no more trouble :) |
| 05:20.09 | Guerin | rend: nope. |
| 05:20.42 | nop | Guerin: i just about spit coffee all over my rental hyundai when I saw an ad on a bus advertising an exclusive "bulogu" |
| 05:20.43 | findme | any firewire gurus here ? |
| 05:20.47 | Guerin | it was a "sign into our transparent http proxy and activity logger" ^_^ |
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| 05:21.09 | Guerin | nop: bulogu? |
| 05:21.29 | tmanDebian | Can someone help with Environment variables please? |
| 05:21.29 | nop | Guerin: Korean transliteration of "blog". Can't we keep our ugly neologisms to ourselves?? |
| 05:21.32 | equnix | Guerin what do you think...? i've been trying to solve this problem for hours... |
| 05:21.35 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 05:21.43 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 05:21.44 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 05:21.58 | Guerin | nop: transliterations are ugliness upon ugliness |
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| 05:22.10 | Guerin | the one which I hate most in korean is z =~ j |
| 05:22.24 | Guerin | so 'pizza' comes out 'pija' |
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| 05:22.30 | nop | heh |
| 05:22.31 | Guerin | etc. |
| 05:22.56 | brownmage | to clarify, I have netapplet installed, and I have to start that every time I log in, then I have to click wireless: eth1, then I have to wait a bit, then under wireless connections I have to click other and enter an ssid (which I've entered before with a wep key) and click okay, hopefully a message will pop up saying enter keyring password, which I do, then I have to click configure network settings, and activate eth1 and THEN wireless works |
| 05:23.01 | Guerin | another good one is 'ph' =~ 'p' |
| 05:23.08 | Pythonholum | dous anyone know is there a way to change from woody to sarge without reinstalling |
| 05:23.24 | Guerin | there's a movie coming out on TV soon here called 'phoenix', and the korean transliteration is 'penix' |
| 05:23.28 | nop | Guerin: the Korean-Americans I know look down on the Japanese as "phonetically challenged", so yes, it does get worse.... |
| 05:23.29 | brownmage | is there a more efficient way to do this |
| 05:23.35 | equnix | first of all, WHAT in this computer requires me to load stuff before the system is booted (using initrd)? it's a normal athlon k6 1300mhz with no special hardware... |
| 05:23.38 | tmanDebian | Yep, apt-get upgrade-dist |
| 05:24.02 | Pythonholum | that sounds simple |
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| 05:24.47 | tmanDebian | make sure your sources.lst file is pointing to sarge repositories. |
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| 05:25.21 | brownmage | I would like a simple to use program that will allow me to set up (at least) two ssid/wep keys and switch between them |
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| 05:25.35 | Pythonholum | upgrade-dist is an invalid operation |
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| 05:25.56 | brownmage | its dist-upgrade |
| 05:26.08 | brownmage | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:26.33 | Pythonholum | i just found that out (man apt-get) |
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| 05:26.48 | Pythonholum | thanks |
| 05:26.49 | tmanDebian | that's correct. I reversed the command. Oops. |
| 05:27.03 | Guerin | nop: heh, true that; I think the japanese mangle it worse. |
| 05:27.52 | tmanDebian | Pythonholum: You know why Debian will not let me alter the PATH environment variable? |
| 05:28.10 | mwilson | Where did you get the idea that it wasn't letting you? |
| 05:28.19 | mwilson | There's nothing anywhere that's going to stop you. |
| 05:28.34 | Pythonholum | no |
| 05:28.58 | Pythonholum | try PATH=$PATH:/your/directery |
| 05:29.12 | Epilog | dondelelcaro: isn't there a php4 version for apache2-worker |
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| 05:30.08 | nop | ok, I suppose I should try to get OS X back up and running on this box |
| 05:30.11 | mwilson | Why would you have to "try" anything? If you want to set PATH, do so. |
| 05:30.19 | mwilson | nop: Like that'd be so hard. :) |
| 05:30.34 | Pythonholum | when i i did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:30.36 | nop | I paid $500 for the stupid OS X dongle, so it's a shame to use it as a Debian box |
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| 05:30.53 | Pythonholum | it tells me unmet dependinses |
| 05:30.57 | l0k3 | i want to make the fluxbox menu smaller in fluxbox, i cant remember the text to add to XF86Config-4, it was something to do with display |
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| 05:31.17 | Guerin | yay, chinese spam |
| 05:31.20 | nop | mwilson: well, the fun part will be finding out whether it wrecks my Debian install as part of the OS X install process. Nothing but time.... |
| 05:31.21 | Pythonholum | and when i try to install them it tells me newest version already |
| 05:31.27 | tmanDebian | Because I would include java in my path variable. I would log out then log back in and check with echo command and changes would not be there. |
| 05:31.29 | Guerin | the best bit is that mutt is displaying it all correctly :) |
| 05:31.41 | Guerin | !worship utf-8 |
| 05:31.44 | Pythonholum | os x is the best |
| 05:31.47 | Pythonholum | i think |
| 05:31.49 | Guerin | no |
| 05:31.49 | nop | Guerin: heh, which terminal? |
| 05:31.51 | Guerin | it's not |
| 05:31.57 | Pythonholum | debian is my close second |
| 05:32.00 | Guerin | nop: rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 05:32.12 | nop | u r more l33t than me |
| 05:32.41 | Guerin | pwn3d |
| 05:32.52 | tmanDebian | I tried to include it in my .bash_profile, but that does not work. It does not work using /etc/profile either. |
| 05:32.52 | Pythonholum | on os x i have all my linux programes plus all the ones for mac os x |
| 05:33.28 | Guerin | Pythonholum: osx is proprietary. this makes it objectively worse than debian. |
| 05:33.41 | keith_ | Hi out there! Would someone please help me with cups. I've got to printing out the test page successfully but cannot get the applications to print from it-such as mozilla, abiword etc. Debian 3r4. |
| 05:33.48 | Guerin | Pythonholum: in any case, your dependency problems on debian are caused by pebcak errors. |
| 05:33.55 | nop | Guerin: for a while in Win32 I was forcing Putty to the Japanese or Korean monospace fonts because they were more readable. Eventually the whole "backslash looks like a Won symbol" talked me out of that |
| 05:34.16 | Guerin | nop: yeah, that's horrible |
| 05:34.34 | Pythonholum | i found out how to fix it |
| 05:34.56 | nop | OK, I've done my civic duty for Debian for the night. Back after I figure out how to dual boot. |
| 05:34.59 | Nexus | Dang it, I came in here, asked a question and then forgot to read the answer before closing.. How do I see all versions of a particular package I can install? |
| 05:35.19 | Guerin | Nexus: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 05:35.50 | Nexus | Guerin, Ah, that's a cool command. However isn't there a way to do a huge old list? Such as for choosing a kernel version/ |
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| 05:36.16 | O_Amnesia | hi.. can someone help me? |
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| 05:36.34 | O_Amnesia | I´m trying to install the debian but it keeps with trouble in the instalation of the xwindow :( |
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| 05:36.50 | O_Amnesia | I tryed to install the drivers of the nvidia.. but still don´t work because the kernel it is old or something |
| 05:36.58 | O_Amnesia | I tryed to update.. but I think I couldn´t :*( |
| 05:36.59 | MrKeuner | hi, installing uninstalling a kernel-image dpkg is "Searching for splash image... none found, skipping...". what splash image is that? |
| 05:36.59 | O_Amnesia | :( |
| 05:37.10 | Guerin | Nexus: well, packages which you can have more than one version installed concurrently have some version info in the packagename |
| 05:37.34 | Guerin | Nexus: so apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 will show all 2.6 series kernels, fx. |
| 05:37.56 | Guerin | MrKeuner: bootsplash image, otherwise known as a wombat. |
| 05:38.06 | Pythonholum | i read the error wrong |
| 05:38.06 | Pythonholum | that is the bad thing about os x |
| 05:38.06 | Pythonholum | but it runs so nice |
| 05:38.09 | Pythonholum | i wish it was open source |
| 05:38.10 | Nexus | Guerin, Cool. Thanks. |
| 05:38.11 | Pythonholum | or linux was so easy to use |
| 05:38.17 | Pythonholum | i can see apples market share over taking windows |
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| 05:39.02 | helloyo | Pythonholum, apple's market share will never over take windows |
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| 05:39.14 | MrKeuner | Guerin/ but bootsplash is not yet in the repository right? |
| 05:39.20 | Guerin | MrKeuner: dunno |
| 05:39.22 | Pythonholum | i can see it give it 5 years |
| 05:39.39 | Guerin | Pythonholum: apple don't covet marketshare. |
| 05:39.39 | helloyo | MrKeuner, is bootsplash going to be in soon? save me from learning how to recompile the kernel |
| 05:40.24 | MrKeuner | helloyo/ I r is a good signeally have no idea. But I guess what I am seeing |
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| 05:40.45 | O_Amnesia | can someone help me how to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 05:41.09 | Pythonholum | what is your graphics card |
| 05:41.24 | O_Amnesia | gforce 4 mx440 |
| 05:41.29 | O_Amnesia | I got the .run at the nvidia |
| 05:41.40 | O_Amnesia | but I can´t install.. because a problem at kernel |
| 05:41.55 | Pythonholum | i have doun it befor on a fx5600 but i dont remember what i did |
| 05:42.04 | Pythonholum | ill help what i can |
| 05:42.17 | O_Amnesia | I wrote the message |
| 05:42.19 | O_Amnesia | wait.. I will get it |
| 05:42.41 | Pythonholum | is your xserver running |
| 05:42.55 | keith_ | can anyone out there help me with cups. I can get the test print ok but nothing else. |
| 05:43.01 | O_Amnesia | no |
| 05:43.16 | RainbowW | is there a good download manager i can use that will do something like, say lemme drag and drop links from firefox, ala getright for w32, and queue them? |
| 05:43.16 | O_Amnesia | I just boot.. login |
| 05:43.17 | Pythonholum | ok do you have the kernel source package |
| 05:43.18 | O_Amnesia | and that´s it |
| 05:43.24 | O_Amnesia | how do I do that? |
| 05:43.37 | O_Amnesia | I tried to install the 2.4.19 |
| 05:43.59 | Pythonholum | apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.19 or somthing like that |
| 05:44.40 | O_Amnesia | I did that |
| 05:44.45 | O_Amnesia | but it is still the same problem |
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| 05:45.22 | Pythonholum | what exactly dous it say |
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| 05:46.22 | Guerin | RainbowW: firefox HAS a download manager |
| 05:46.24 | O_Amnesia | it was something like.. first... boot normally.. then after some seconds it appear: |
| 05:46.47 | O_Amnesia | Xserver couldn´t open because of a error at your graphical Interface |
| 05:46.49 | O_Amnesia | or something like that |
| 05:46.53 | RainbowW | Guerin: will it queue? |
| 05:47.06 | Pythonholum | im at a loss |
| 05:47.08 | Guerin | RainbowW: I'm not sure, I use wget |
| 05:47.19 | Guerin | RainbowW: kget is another one, but it's kdeware |
| 05:47.22 | O_Amnesia | then I try to install the gf4mx440 with the nvidia.run |
| 05:47.27 | Pythonholum | when i did mine it was on a knoppix hardrive install |
| 05:47.39 | Pythonholum | thats the only way i can install a debian like os |
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| 05:47.59 | loke | guys, i cant figure out how to make my fluxbox menu smaller |
| 05:48.19 | Pythonholum | way to much configureing with the regular debain installer |
| 05:48.19 | loke | the menu takes up half of the screen |
| 05:48.24 | O_Amnesia | then it says that the kernel is something wrong :s |
| 05:48.24 | O_Amnesia | :/ |
| 05:48.47 | Guerin | Pythonholum: pebcak |
| 05:49.06 | Pythonholum | whats pebcak |
| 05:49.12 | RainbowW | Guerin: kdeware doesn't bother me like it seems to bother you. :) |
| 05:49.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:49.40 | Guerin | !pebcak |
| 05:49.40 | dpkg | [pebcak] Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 05:49.52 | Pythonholum | :) |
| 05:49.57 | O_Amnesia | wich linux is the most new one? |
| 05:50.00 | Pythonholum | ya i know |
| 05:50.02 | RainbowW | bite. my. cat. |
| 05:50.06 | O_Amnesia | I think I will download a new one |
| 05:50.18 | Guerin | mrrowwr |
| 05:50.21 | RainbowW | O_Amnesia: if you need to ask a question phrased like that ... you need to go reinstall windows. |
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| 05:50.47 | loke | Guerin how can i figure out what i need to add to my XF86Config-4 to make the fluxbox menu smaller, i remember adding a line to the monitor section, something like 'monitor 320 100' |
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| 05:51.18 | loke | Guerin actually it was 'display 320 100 |
| 05:51.20 | loke | ' |
| 05:51.21 | O_Amnesia | it´s ok |
| 05:51.30 | Guerin | loke: just choose a make a different theme with smaller fonts |
| 05:51.31 | O_Amnesia | RainbowW: it´s ok.. I can reinstall |
| 05:51.37 | loke | Guerin ahh dude |
| 05:51.37 | Guerin | loke: itym DisplaySize |
| 05:51.43 | Guerin | dude |
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| 05:51.46 | Guerin | like |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | y'know? |
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| 05:51.52 | O_Amnesia | windows sux anyway |
| 05:51.56 | loke | Guerin displaysize? |
| 05:52.15 | Guerin | loke: man xf86config-4; look for displaysize |
| 05:52.26 | Pythonholum | guerin i have set up almost every distro of linux avalible i even have my own distro of knoppix. but i have tryed on more then one ocasion on different macients from p4 p3 powerbook all of them will only give me the command line |
| 05:52.29 | Nwallins | what's the best doc for installing X? I've looked through the online docs and a lot of it seems out of date.. |
| 05:52.43 | Pythonholum | none can set up xconfig properly |
| 05:52.45 | MrKeuner | where does dpkg look for the splash image while installing a kernel-image? |
| 05:52.49 | valdyn_ | !setup x |
| 05:52.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 05:52.53 | loke | Guerin what should i set it to??? |
| 05:53.26 | O_Amnesia | dpkg thanks ;) :D I will try |
| 05:53.27 | dpkg | bitte, O_Amnesia |
| 05:53.46 | O_Amnesia | if I can get at linux.. I will come and say that I love you hehehe |
| 05:53.57 | O_Amnesia | ops.. if I can enter at the x |
| 05:54.02 | valdyn_ | !bot |
| 05:54.02 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 05:54.11 | maher | Pythonholum: instead of installing many different distros why didn't you learn how to configure X on one of them? |
| 05:54.18 | O_Amnesia | aheheahea |
| 05:54.21 | O_Amnesia | bye |
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| 05:54.50 | loke_ | Guerin what should i set display size too? |
| 05:54.50 | Pythonholum | i just enjoy comparing the different distros |
| 05:55.01 | Guerin | loke_: read the damn document |
| 05:55.03 | Xsquared | sup fellas? im having a bit of trouble with my network. I have one box connected to the net acting as a gateway (10.0.0.1) and my machine is behind it (10.0.0.2). I have setup the network card in /etc/network/interfaces and ifup'd it. (even rebooted the machine) and it says temporary failure resolving <ftp.au.debian.org>. It can ping outside machines by their ip address though. What is wrong, how do i fix it? |
| 05:55.12 | loke_ | Guerin which? |
| 05:55.12 | Guerin | loke_: it tells you explicitly what to do |
| 05:55.27 | Pythonholum | so far knoppix hardrive install is the best that i have found. fallowed by suse 9.1 |
| 05:55.32 | Guerin | 14:49:17 < Guerin> loke: man xf86config-4; look for displaysize |
| 05:55.43 | loke_ | ahh |
| 05:55.44 | Guerin | Pythonholum: you poor batsard |
| 05:55.47 | loke_ | man |
| 05:56.00 | loke_ | Guerin sorry, i missed the 'man' part |
| 05:56.02 | maher | Pythonholum: congrats - have fun |
| 05:56.14 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: "cat /etc/resolv.conf | grep nameserver" |
| 05:56.19 | Pythonholum | knoppix has almost all the fetures of debian |
| 05:56.26 | Guerin | Pythonholum: except quality |
| 05:57.05 | Pythonholum | quality? i have no quality isues that ive found |
| 05:57.15 | Pythonholum | i just upgraded it to sarge |
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| 05:57.17 | maher | Pythonholum: use knoppix then - if you get stuck ask for help in #knoppix |
| 05:57.19 | drac | shut up |
| 05:57.23 | Xsquared | valdyn_: no responses in that file |
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| 05:57.43 | Pythonholum | im not stuck on anything |
| 05:57.45 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: whats the contents of that file? |
| 05:57.48 | Pythonholum | im just chating |
| 05:57.54 | Guerin | Pythonholum: no, you didn't. You upgraded to knoppix bastardisation v2 |
| 05:58.01 | Xsquared | valdyn_: there is nothing in it. clean file |
| 05:58.01 | maher | Xsquared: find out from the gateway what the nameserver is and add it to resolv.conf |
| 05:58.08 | seberino_ | ever had to convert microsoft exchange emails to linux? |
| 05:58.14 | Xsquared | maher: k, thanks |
| 05:58.17 | drac | Pythonholum: You are starting to get really annoying, can you please just STFU. |
| 05:58.18 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: ok - "dpkg -l resolvconf" |
| 05:58.19 | pipeline | Pythonholum: What I would recommend, rather than fucking with knoppix hdinstall, is formatting a hard drive from knoppix, then using debootstrap + chroot to install. |
| 05:58.33 | Guerin | or just installing with the d-i |
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| 05:58.43 | Guerin | !be a d-i barbie |
| 05:58.44 | dpkg | awwww, d-i is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 05:58.54 | Pythonholum | ill have to try that |
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| 05:59.23 | Pythonholum | i would like to get a true debian install up and running |
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| 05:59.39 | Pythonholum | but i just havnt been able to |
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| 06:00.53 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: that wont just work _if_ resolvconf is installed, which is why I told you to check for it. If its not installed, do what maher said |
| 06:01.20 | Xsquared | valdyn_: it isn't installed, im doing what maher said |
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| 06:01.58 | seberino_ | ever had to convert microsoft exchange emails to linux? |
| 06:02.08 | equnix | my custom compiled 2.6 kernel [ www.dedikerad.se/.config ], dpkg -i ../ker...deb; lilo; wont boot [ www.dedikerad.se/lilo.conf ]. kernel panic - not syncing vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (3,1). i don't want to use initrd. standard ide disk. please help! |
| 06:02.34 | mwilson | No one told you to use an initrd. |
| 06:02.35 | Guerin | ffs |
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| 06:02.45 | equnix | mwilson yes, people did |
| 06:02.46 | zoyd | hi |
| 06:02.46 | mwilson | If you don't want to use one, then don't. |
| 06:02.52 | equnix | mwilson i wont |
| 06:03.00 | Guerin | equnix: I told you how to fix this an hour ago |
| 06:03.07 | mwilson | Then your problem is exactly... what? |
| 06:03.09 | jetscreamer | greetings my minions |
| 06:03.11 | jetscreamer | equnix, take the initrd line out of the lilo.conf? |
| 06:03.24 | Guerin | jetscreamer: good guess, but WRONG. |
| 06:03.31 | equnix | Guerin i must have missed that. what did you tell me? |
| 06:03.36 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 06:03.36 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 06:03.43 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Nah, he thinks he needs to be building kernels, but he doesn't know how. |
| 06:03.45 | equnix | jetscreamer there is no such line |
| 06:03.47 | Guerin | equnix: ^^^⇧↑ |
| 06:04.12 | equnix | mwilson there you see, "make sure your initrd is setup correctly"... |
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| 06:04.34 | jetscreamer | equnix, /lastlog equnix in your irc client |
| 06:04.45 | mwilson | Being set up correctly also including not using one, of course, if you don't need one. |
| 06:04.46 | Guerin | equnix: in tha case of not having an initrd, correctly means "not set up at all" |
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| 06:04.50 | equnix | mwilson i do need this for hardware reasons |
| 06:05.09 | jetscreamer | equnix, initrd set up correctly can be no initrd as well as initrd stuff |
| 06:05.20 | mwilson | equnix: No, you do not. If you think you do, you are mistaken. |
| 06:05.21 | equnix | jetscreamer oh ok |
| 06:05.35 | rking | I'm having trouble understanding the role of NIS and the "YP" commands - i know nisls, niscat, etc.. but what is ypcat, for example? the manpage says it prints out a NIS map... so is it different? |
| 06:05.44 | equnix | mwilson i need to patch my kernel for audio optimization? |
| 06:05.58 | Guerin | audio optimisation? |
| 06:05.59 | jetscreamer | equnix, when you took the initrd line out of lilo did you rerun lilo? |
| 06:06.09 | equnix | jetscreamer yes |
| 06:06.12 | valdyn_ | rking: yp is a trademark, so it was renamed to nis |
| 06:06.16 | jetscreamer | s/of lilo/of lilo.conf/ |
| 06:06.16 | Guerin | equnix: just build your damn IDE controller and root filesystem INTO the kernel |
| 06:06.25 | equnix | Guerin yeah, you know like extended rtc and stuff like that |
| 06:06.27 | Guerin | equnix: that really truly is all there is to it. |
| 06:06.28 | jetscreamer | as in not modules |
| 06:06.37 | jetscreamer | hit the y not the m |
| 06:06.42 | jetscreamer | in menuconfig |
| 06:06.58 | equnix | Guerin isn't that what i've done? root fs ext2 and i have built in everything i can find that has anything to do with ide. www.dedikerad.se/.config |
| 06:07.12 | equnix | jetscreamer afaik that is how i've done it |
| 06:07.46 | rking | valdyn_: Ahh! thanks! my brother is on a server that has some pretty big security holes (for example, everyone's default password is their SSN, and all the SSN's are listed in NIS db "student_ids") When he reported it to the head of security, she said, "NIS is installed? that's a problem - it's supposed to be yp stuff" --- which confused me. Basically she doesn't know what she's talking about, right? |
| 06:07.54 | equnix | Guerin well, there are other non-technical issues as well. i want to optimize, for fun |
| 06:08.19 | Xsquared | valdyn_: it didn't do anything |
| 06:08.35 | Xsquared | valdyn_: how do i find out which nameserver my gateway is using? |
| 06:08.54 | jetscreamer | equnix, just start over then. delete /usr/src/kernel-source-blah/.config and make menuconfig again. |
| 06:09.14 | equnix | jetscreamer now why would i do that? i'll just change what's wrong, right? |
| 06:09.17 | jetscreamer | keep trying till you get it right :) |
| 06:09.18 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: that depends on your gateway, maybe it supports dhcp, maybe it has a nameserver itself |
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| 06:09.38 | jetscreamer | equnix, well if you know what you did wrong, well that's the way to go! have fun? |
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| 06:09.52 | Guerin | equnix: I don't know what your hardware is; all I know is that if you'd built your kernel properly it'd work, like mine and countless others' do. |
| 06:09.56 | equnix | jetscreamer i didn't say that i know what i did wrong |
| 06:10.10 | valdyn_ | rking: though i dont know much about nis, yea, sounds like he has no clue .. yp = yellow pages = trademarked by british post, so sun had to rename their yp. |
| 06:10.15 | jetscreamer | BTW i suck and couldn't get pppoe to work after having it set up as static so i reinstalled |
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| 06:10.28 | jetscreamer | equnix, i didn't say you did... :) |
| 06:10.31 | equnix | Guerin is there a way for me to see what my "controller" is using right now? |
| 06:10.40 | Xsquared | valdyn_: it does |
| 06:10.44 | Xsquared | valdyn_: it doesn't *** |
| 06:10.45 | rking | is there a secure way to do distributed password files? it seems like it would be hard to have an equivalent of shadow files, where the crypted data is never seen by user-level programs |
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| 06:10.54 | jetscreamer | equnix, what is your motherboard's chipset |
| 06:11.03 | valdyn_ | !dhcp |
| 06:11.03 | dpkg | dhcp is probably Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 06:11.13 | Guerin | equnix: cross-reference lspci, lsmod and /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 06:11.26 | equnix | jetscreamer i'm not really sure about that one |
| 06:11.35 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: ask dpkg about dhcp client or just phone your isp |
| 06:11.41 | jetscreamer | equnix, then google the model # |
| 06:11.43 | Xsquared | valdyn_: my localnetwork is static |
| 06:11.46 | equnix | Guerin lsmod -> afpacket, tat's it |
| 06:11.52 | jetscreamer | static is EASY |
| 06:12.09 | Guerin | equnix: ok. only two files to crossreference now. |
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| 06:12.26 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: yea duh, but maybe your router is _still_ able to give you your nameservers IP if you use dhcp |
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| 06:12.48 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: if however your router doesnt do dhcp at all, then phone your isp |
| 06:13.01 | Xsquared | valdyn_: the gateway for my gateway is another ip |
| 06:13.03 | equnix | Guerin lspci doesn't tell me the name of my controller right? since the ide disk is connect to the motherboard |
| 06:13.15 | jetscreamer | what is an mk6 |
| 06:13.25 | kfogel | I've installed Debian GNU/Linux testing (sarge) on four or five machines lately. All of them gave me a Gnome environment by default, now for the first time one is going into KDE when I start up X Windows (the other difference is that this one is not doing gdm, it just boots into console mode and I run "startx", which is fine with me). Any idea why it is KDE instead of Gnome, and what is the "right way" to change that? |
| 06:13.28 | jetscreamer | cpu? |
| 06:13.38 | jetscreamer | wtf kind of cpu do you have equnix |
| 06:13.38 | Guerin | the ide controller is ON the motherboard. The disk is plugged into it via an ide cable |
| 06:13.43 | marco_ | alguien me lee? |
| 06:13.50 | jetscreamer | !spanish |
| 06:13.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:13.54 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: so? |
| 06:13.55 | jetscreamer | !portuguese |
| 06:13.55 | dpkg | i heard portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 06:14.11 | equnix | jetscreamer www.dedikerad.se/cpuinfo |
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| 06:14.18 | marco_ | quien me lee? |
| 06:14.50 | Xsquared | valdyn_: can't i just use my gateway? isn't it supposed to ask for a dns query and send it back along to me? |
| 06:14.53 | Guerin | that was spanish, jetscreamer |
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| 06:15.24 | jetscreamer | the lee threw me |
| 06:15.28 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: i have no fucking idea what your router does. Sure some include being a nameserver |
| 06:15.34 | marco_ | si español |
| 06:15.35 | equnix | in the boot up process, it founds the hard disk and the cdrom |
| 06:15.43 | jetscreamer | marco_, /join #debian-es para mas ayuda |
| 06:15.46 | marco_ | quien me lee? |
| 06:15.58 | Guerin | marco_: badger? |
| 06:16.03 | jetscreamer | cual es 'lee' |
| 06:16.05 | bbhill_ | y la concha de tu madreee |
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| 06:16.15 | jetscreamer | cayete bbhill_ |
| 06:16.54 | jetscreamer | so is a duron a k6?? shouldn't you use k7 for that? what speed proc equnix |
| 06:17.34 | jetscreamer | seems to me a duron is k7 |
| 06:17.47 | Guerin | yeah, it is |
| 06:17.49 | jetscreamer | hope so, i just installed a kernel for a duron as k7.. but hey it worked |
| 06:17.55 | valdyn_ | equnix: lspci should list your IDE controller too, no matter how it is connected, unless its something ancient like ISA |
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| 06:18.10 | equnix | jetscreamer 1300mhz, as it says in cpuinfo |
| 06:18.14 | jetscreamer | equnix has it set as k6.. config_mk6=y |
| 06:18.18 | bbhill_ | para mas ayuda, besa me culo por favor |
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| 06:18.22 | jetscreamer | wil that fuxor him? |
| 06:18.29 | jetscreamer | cupa mi verga puto |
| 06:18.32 | Guerin | no, it should still work |
| 06:18.38 | Guerin | but k7 might be a better choice |
| 06:18.41 | jetscreamer | s/cupa/chupa/ |
| 06:18.47 | equnix | i see, thanks! |
| 06:18.55 | Guerin | though it has nothing to do with this boot issue |
| 06:19.00 | bbhill_ | ohhhhk cabron |
| 06:19.07 | Hezik | hello everyone.. i'm trying to install debian using netinst CD rc2, on a system that has an existing raid-0 array (windows) on a sil3112 sata controller |
| 06:19.09 | jetscreamer | equnix, is this sis motherboard? |
| 06:19.21 | jetscreamer | bbhill_, tengo amor pa ti |
| 06:19.29 | valdyn_ | !loose Hezik |
| 06:19.29 | dpkg | You lose Hezik! [and valdyn_ can't spell, either.] |
| 06:19.31 | Hezik | now I know i need to load the module 'medley' to accomplish that, but when i try to it sais: no such device' |
| 06:19.33 | bbhill_ | que lindo |
| 06:19.34 | equnix | jetscreamer i don't know, i only got my friends computer |
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| 06:19.40 | equnix | jetscreamer i don't really know what is it |
| 06:19.41 | Guerin | Hezik: try linux26 |
| 06:19.45 | equnix | s/is it/it is |
| 06:19.55 | astronut | how do i use update-alternatives to change the system browser? |
| 06:20.01 | jetscreamer | equnix, you need to know eh |
| 06:20.04 | Hezik | guerin: that's not it.. linux26 does make the discs available, but as seperate discs |
| 06:20.09 | Guerin | Hezik: no such device means that you don't have that hardware installed on this machine |
| 06:20.11 | Hezik | i want to use the raid container.. |
| 06:20.20 | equnix | jetscreamer isn't there a way to detect that from this running system? |
| 06:20.21 | Hezik | guerin not neccesarily |
| 06:20.23 | jetscreamer | astronut, update-alternatives --all is one way, |
| 06:20.37 | jetscreamer | equnix, yes but i'm not good enough to know how |
| 06:20.42 | Guerin | Hezik: that's the typical meaning ... what do you think it says? |
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| 06:20.57 | Hezik | guerin: it's an on board controller which work fine in windows |
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| 06:21.13 | jetscreamer | lspci -vv |grep sis |
| 06:21.14 | Guerin | Hezik: are you positive that's the right module, though? |
| 06:21.21 | Hezik | guerin: yes |
| 06:21.22 | Guerin | grep -i sis |
| 06:21.29 | bbhill_ | no n00bs allowed |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | Hezik: talk to #debian-boot then |
| 06:21.35 | valdyn_ | Hezik: its hardware assisted software raid, last i checked that crap was not supported by linux sata drivers |
| 06:21.42 | Hezik | already doing so, but they're not awak |
| 06:21.45 | Hezik | +e |
| 06:21.51 | jetscreamer | make that SiS |
| 06:22.04 | Guerin | Hezik: because I can't think of another instance where installing a module would give that error |
| 06:22.25 | equnix | jetscreamer nothing |
| 06:22.25 | Guerin | bbhill_: stfu n00b |
| 06:22.38 | Guerin | equnix: put your lspci output on the web |
| 06:22.40 | equnix | on sis, SIS, SiS |
| 06:22.41 | jetscreamer | equnix, then just lspci -vv |less |
| 06:22.45 | bbhill_ | Guerin: plz omg can u t311 me wh4t is marillta plz? |
| 06:22.48 | jetscreamer | and look/read |
| 06:22.55 | Hezik | well according to google it might have something to do with the kernel build |
| 06:22.55 | jetscreamer | !irritate bbhill_ |
| 06:22.56 | dpkg | bbhill_: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 lol |
| 06:23.15 | bbhill_ | OMG what is marrilat!! |
| 06:23.22 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 06:23.22 | dpkg | marillat is probably an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 06:23.26 | Guerin | bbhill_: lol k go2 http://up.uran.us its 1337!!¡ |
| 06:23.51 | bbhill_ | But OMG WHAT is in it!? |
| 06:23.58 | bbhill_ | i cant read |
| 06:23.59 | equnix | Guerin www.dedikerad.se/lspci-vv.txt |
| 06:24.00 | bbhill_ | plz explain |
| 06:24.01 | jetscreamer | audio/video stuff mostly |
| 06:24.07 | Hezik | anyways i'll just try the debian boot channel later again.. havent gotten anyone to reply there today but maybe tomorrow |
| 06:24.17 | bbhill_ | will it make my sound work? guerin crashed my box so i dont know how to make it work anymore |
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| 06:24.50 | Guerin | equnix: IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE |
| 06:25.04 | jetscreamer | ok so equnix make sure the modules for that stuff have a y not an m in your .config |
| 06:25.04 | mlewis00 | Has anyone had problems running commands from a terminal inside of Gnome or KDE since the recent major upgrade of sarge (i.e. KDE from 3.2 to 3.3, etc.). |
| 06:25.15 | bbhill_ | omg is marillat for teh frenhc only?!!!1 |
| 06:25.22 | jetscreamer | mlewis00, not w/gnome, here |
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| 06:25.36 | jetscreamer | bbhill_, how much booze tonight? |
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| 06:25.45 | equnix | Guerin, jetscreamer: i will search for it |
| 06:25.56 | Guerin | equnix: that device is supported by via82cxxx, I believe. I have two of them. |
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| 06:26.05 | bbhill_ | jetscreamer: Yo mama was over , so like 10 each |
| 06:26.06 | Nwallins | i followed dpkg's instructions for 'setup x' and i get a dependency error: discover depends on libdiscover2 |
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| 06:26.40 | jetscreamer | might be CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set but i dunno |
| 06:26.42 | Guerin | equnix: you want CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y |
| 06:26.45 | Nwallins | so then i did `apt-get install x-window-system-core`, but i get errors on startx.. x comes up but then drops me |
| 06:26.53 | mlewis00 | jetscreamer: Hmmm, I can run commands from the command line with xterm, etc. from within Gnome but I get the "Warning: Tried to connect to session manager, Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed." message on my terminal. |
| 06:26.57 | jetscreamer | nah that's a cpu maybe |
| 06:27.11 | Guerin | !breastfeed equnix |
| 06:27.16 | equnix | Guerin i wonder where that is found in the menuconfig, i've been searching for stuff like that a long time |
| 06:27.18 | jetscreamer | mlewis00, i've seen that.. lemme try to remember, but i might not be able |
| 06:27.25 | equnix | hahahahahaa |
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| 06:27.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 06:28.25 | jetscreamer | mlewis00, check the permissions on ~/.ICEauthority and .Xauthority |
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| 06:28.27 | drac | Nwallins: 'cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep EE' gives you nice reasons. |
| 06:28.39 | bbhill_ | Guerin: Can you teach me a new leet command tonight? Like last time you tought me that geoiplookup |
| 06:28.44 | Nwallins | drac: thanks.. will try rebooting (ugh!) |
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| 06:28.54 | jetscreamer | !troll bbhill_ |
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| 06:29.02 | bbhill_ | NO |
| 06:29.04 | bbhill_ | im a regular |
| 06:29.07 | bbhill_ | a regular troll |
| 06:29.12 | jetscreamer | a regul... yeah |
| 06:29.18 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:29.25 | Guerin | bbhill_: yeah, I've got a really good one for you |
| 06:29.39 | zorpit | My understanding of the way NIS-logins work is that you have a passwd file that NIS sends over, with crypted passwd's in plain view (yikes!) is there a more secure way to do distributed logins? |
| 06:29.59 | bbhill_ | Guerin: please tell me |
| 06:30.26 | Hezik | you might want to try LDAP zorput |
| 06:30.30 | Hezik | zorpit even |
| 06:30.39 | zorpit | Hezik: Ahh, k |
| 06:30.45 | mlewis00 | jetscreamer: Thanks, I'll check...that seems to be the right direction, too, as the other problem is that the .Xauthority file for one of my logins has vanished but I don't know how to recreate it. |
| 06:30.56 | Hezik | and do a google for PAM, zorpit ;) |
| 06:31.07 | bbhill_ | Guerin: quit hating. |
| 06:31.13 | zorpit | bbhill_: a cool one is "apropos" |
| 06:31.25 | Guerin | bbhill_: su ; cd / ; for dir in */ ; do cd $dir ; for file in * ; do rename 's/^/BADGERS/g' ; done ; cd .. ; done |
| 06:31.36 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:31.41 | Guerin | the 'g' isn't necessary |
| 06:31.58 | bbhill_ | Guerin: is that going to crash my box like you did last time? |
| 06:32.03 | Guerin | bbhill_: not at all |
| 06:32.13 | bbhill_ | what is it going to do |
| 06:32.15 | zorpit | su ; find / | xargs rename 's/^/DONKEYS' |
| 06:32.21 | Guerin | bbhill_: there's an even better version using find |
| 06:32.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:32.26 | Guerin | like zorpit said |
| 06:32.42 | bbhill_ | im scared |
| 06:32.44 | zorpit | bbhill_: rename everything like this: "foo" to "BADGERSfoo" |
| 06:32.53 | Guerin | it's going to optimise your box for badgerisation! |
| 06:33.06 | zorpit | bbhill_: rightfully so |
| 06:33.12 | bbhill_ | you guys are trying to n00b me up |
| 06:33.19 | Guerin | nooo... not at all. |
| 06:33.43 | jetscreamer | my amsg didn't go over to etg |
| 06:33.45 | bbhill_ | Guerin: i thought you were cool man.. With your bi bim bap and all, now i see your just like the rest |
| 06:33.46 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 06:33.48 | bbhill_ | WELL FINE |
| 06:33.50 | bbhill_ | i wont stand for it. |
| 06:34.05 | mlewis00 | Actually, *all* of my .Xauthority files have disappeared with the latest apt-get update :( How do I recreate them? |
| 06:34.11 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 06:34.16 | zorpit | su; x = robot; for n in /etc/*; do cp $n x; x = $n; done |
| 06:34.28 | equnix | Guerin please, i can't find CONFIG_NVIAC3_2 ANYWHERE. definatly not under processor type and features, where it, accourding to the .config, should be |
| 06:34.32 | Guerin | zorpit: heh |
| 06:34.36 | equnix | (make menuconfig) |
| 06:34.37 | drac | mlewis00: I don't believe you, .Xauthority doesn't disappear with apt-get update. |
| 06:34.42 | mwilson | mlewis00: You don't. There's no reason to. |
| 06:34.45 | Guerin | equnix: I didn't tell you to use that |
| 06:34.53 | Guerin | equnix: you want CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y |
| 06:35.05 | Guerin | equnix: that's in 2.6, anyhow |
| 06:35.10 | equnix | i just saw that |
| 06:35.11 | jetscreamer | equnix, what he said.. i'm the one who said the other |
| 06:35.17 | zorpit | (the above was a little screwy) |
| 06:35.30 | jetscreamer | it's 2.6.10 btw |
| 06:36.11 | jetscreamer | equnix, did you use make-kpkg to compile, or did you do it the non-debian way |
| 06:36.23 | equnix | jetscreamer make-kpkg |
| 06:36.34 | mlewis00 | drac: Well, I'm relatively certain that the files were there before...then KDE did a major upgrade of some 200+ packages and then the .Xauthority files are missing and things don't work right any more. *I* didn't delete them... |
| 06:36.37 | bbhill_ | Guerin: you are my new arch enemy. |
| 06:36.42 | jetscreamer | try make-kpkg --targets next time, it's cool |
| 06:36.43 | equnix | Guerin cat ".config | grep CXXX" gives me no output |
| 06:36.45 | Guerin | \o/ |
| 06:36.55 | jetscreamer | grep -i |
| 06:37.03 | mwilson | mlewis00: Exactly where do you think these files are supposed to be? |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | equnix: what about grep CXXX .config; |
| 06:37.30 | jetscreamer | -i ignores case, right? |
| 06:37.34 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:37.38 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:37.47 | jetscreamer | <--can't script |
| 06:37.55 | kfogel | I've installed Debian GNU/Linux testing (sarge) on four or five machines lately. All of them gave me a Gnome environment by default, now for the first time one is going into KDE when I start up X Windows (the other difference is that this one is not doing gdm, it just boots into console mode and I run "startx", which is fine with me). Any idea why it is KDE instead of Gnome, and what is the "right way" to change that? |
| 06:38.03 | equnix | Guerin as in, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX. what i'm trying to say is there there is no such option in .config |
| 06:38.05 | mlewis00 | mwilson: IIRC I had an .Xauthority file in each users home directory. |
| 06:38.26 | Guerin | equnix: there bloody well ought to be. |
| 06:38.30 | jetscreamer | kfogel, update-alternatives --all or man update-alternatives |
| 06:38.38 | mwilson | mlewis00: Yes, recreated each time they log in. So? Erase them all if you like, changes nothing. |
| 06:38.39 | kfogel | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 06:38.40 | jetscreamer | or is it man alternatives.. not sure |
| 06:38.45 | Guerin | equnix: since that's arguably the most popular motherboard chipset from about 1997-2001 |
| 06:39.05 | bbhill_ | Guerin: pshhh.. Balderdash. Coppermine pwns n00bs |
| 06:39.09 | mwilson | jetscreamer: No, it's forget completely that the alternatives system exists, because you should not mess with it. |
| 06:39.15 | Guerin | !nonsense bbhill_ |
| 06:39.15 | equnix | Guerin www.dedikerad.se/.config |
| 06:39.15 | dpkg | bbhill_: I am not rememebered!!! someone gives me a command for upgrade my kernel apt-get cache.... !!!???? |
| 06:39.16 | kfogel | jetscreamer: something tells me this is going to be useful for a lot more than just this problem! |
| 06:39.25 | mwilson | jetscreamer: it works just fine without your help. |
| 06:39.26 | mlewis00 | mwilson: I have logged out and back in several times, rebooted (kernel upgrade), etc. and the files are not created. |
| 06:39.33 | jetscreamer | kfogel, note what mwilson just said.... |
| 06:39.36 | bbhill_ | :( |
| 06:39.53 | mwilson | mlewis00: They are the next time that user starts X. |
| 06:40.17 | zorpit | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.21 | Guerin | oh, I was just going to tell him about :(){:|:&};: |
| 06:40.24 | jetscreamer | but everybody used to do the update-alts thing before everybody started saying don't |
| 06:40.35 | mwilson | No, only clueless people did. |
| 06:40.36 | kfogel | jetscreamer: oh -- I shouldn't try to run update-alternatives by hand then? |
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| 06:41.02 | jetscreamer | kfogel, i do if i want to... all i really know :) |
| 06:41.07 | equnix | Guerin strange shit, huh? ;) |
| 06:41.18 | Guerin | equnix: get a real kernel config |
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| 06:41.22 | jetscreamer | you could edit stuff in /etc/alternatives :) |
| 06:41.28 | jetscreamer | which is the same |
| 06:41.31 | Guerin | equnix: like the one which comes default with any linux kernel distribution |
| 06:41.33 | equnix | Guerin real? that's what i got from standard apt source! |
| 06:41.37 | mwilson | kfogel: if you think a box should be running gdm, then install gdm. If you think there shouldn't be a DM running, then remove them. |
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| 06:41.59 | Guerin | equnix: I don't believe you, since that module exists in my stock 2.6.8 debian kernel |
| 06:42.06 | jetscreamer | sometimes i want kde, sometimes i want icewm, sometimes i want gnome |
| 06:42.21 | Lord-Cereburus | hey guys, how can i grant a user on my system write privs to /home ? |
| 06:42.27 | kfogel | mwilson: I prefer no gdm running, so that's fine. But it's the "got KDE when expected Gnome" thing that's worrying me. |
| 06:42.30 | jetscreamer | lately i only want startx though |
| 06:42.33 | equnix | Guerin hahaha... i installed this kernel-source-2.6.10 today and havn't removed lines from the config, i promise! |
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| 06:42.41 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: you probably shouldn't |
| 06:42.52 | Lord-Cereburus | «Guerin» its for a CP |
| 06:43.01 | Lord-Cereburus | and by user i meen an account |
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| 06:43.12 | mlewis00 | mwilson: Well, if they should be, they are not being created because I've logged completely out of GDM and X, logged in as my normal user on a virtual console, run xinit, ran a few programs, etc. and that user still has no .Xauthority. The only user that has an .Xauthority file (which probably shouldn't :) ) is root because I have not logged into X as root since the upgrade. |
| 06:43.30 | Guerin | equnix: $ grep CXX /boot/config-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 06:43.31 | Guerin | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX= |
| 06:43.34 | jetscreamer | mlewis00, did you do /etc/init.d/gdm restart? |
| 06:43.43 | jetscreamer | just logging out might not be enough |
| 06:43.43 | zorpit | Lord-Cere: Create a group, say, "homeys", chgrp homeys /home; adduser whoever homeys |
| 06:43.47 | Guerin | (and others, that's just the top line) |
| 06:44.03 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: never do that. |
| 06:44.03 | equnix | Guerin no output |
| 06:44.07 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: ~ is sacred |
| 06:44.24 | mwilson | mlewis00: You're shorting out the normal X startup by running xinit because...? |
| 06:44.35 | mlewis00 | jetscreamer: I've switched to runlevel 1 and even restarted the system for a kernel upgrade and still no .Xauthority. |
| 06:44.36 | Lord-Cereburus | hmm, didnt work properly, i think theres a problem with my script |
| 06:44.37 | Lord-Cereburus | anyway |
| 06:44.39 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks |
| 06:44.42 | Lord-Cereburus | night all |
| 06:44.54 | mwilson | Actually, forget it... I have no idea why I got involved with someone deliberately trying to break things. |
| 06:45.04 | zorpit | Guerin: Seems a tiny bit better than giving them root.... although, then again, he probably was doing something crazy anyway |
| 06:45.06 | jetscreamer | yeah equnix really doesn't have VIA82CXXX in his .config |
| 06:45.07 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:45.13 | Guerin | equnix: like I said: get a real kernel config. |
| 06:45.32 | zinx | or use a real method of editing the config |
| 06:45.43 | Guerin | zorpit: nobody needs write access to /home/* except the server's admin, who has root anyway. |
| 06:45.50 | jetscreamer | equnix, didn't i tell you to start over an hour ago? you could have been done compiling a new one if you had listened to me then :) |
| 06:45.52 | zinx | you're not really supposed to edit it by hand :/ |
| 06:46.05 | jetscreamer | make menuconfig is your god |
| 06:46.25 | jetscreamer | speaking of gods, time for stargate |
| 06:46.30 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 06:46.34 | MrKeuner | where does dpkg look for the splash image while installing a kernel-image? in initrd? |
| 06:46.39 | equnix | jetscreamer or, i would be back at square one by now... |
| 06:46.47 | zorpit | Guerin: yeah - you could probably get root pretty fast if you had access to /home |
| 06:46.52 | mlewis00 | mwilson: I don't exactly know except that I was under the impression that xinit was a viable and legitimate way to start the X server, although I am aware that it is also possible to use 'startx' for that purpose. |
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| 06:47.37 | Guerin | zorpit: why? |
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| 06:49.13 | zorpit | Guerin: say user "guerin" is the admin. He logs in, decides to "su", but NO! the person that has write access to /home/guerin/.bashrc has done "alias sudo='exploit...; sudo'" |
| 06:49.22 | zorpit | oops - s/sudo/su/g |
| 06:49.44 | Guerin | zorpit: right, get root via a user's sudo privileges |
| 06:50.19 | zorpit | Guerin: so i mean to say it agrees with your idea that only root should be able to mess with it. if someone else really had to write to /home, they should just be given root |
| 06:50.51 | equnix | Guerin i just unpacked a clean version of the 2.6.10 source and found that there was only one occurance of "VIA", but in my version there is three. can i assume that the options whose "dependencies" are not activated wont show up and that there may be a dependenby missing for the setting you are suggesting? |
| 06:51.33 | Guerin | zorpit: yeah. The whole concept of some arbitrary luser (like 'secretary' or 'phb') having +w to my homedir makes me angry |
| 06:52.11 | Guerin | zorpit: there's a chain of command for these things: phb can tell the admin what he wants done, but should never be allowed to do it himself |
| 06:52.16 | mlewis00 | mwilson: Does using 'xinit' break something? I used it to start the xserver before the upgrade and it did not break anything. |
| 06:52.35 | Guerin | equnix: which specific kernel-source package? |
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| 06:53.02 | Guerin | equnix: debian kernel-source-2.6.10; not something else? |
| 06:53.21 | equnix | Guerin that's it. nothing else |
| 06:53.49 | zorpit | Guerin: I don't know - I've been in more situations where "only one root guy" has been more of a hindrance than a help... but I'm looking at it from the role of a programmer rather than an admin. I'm sure admins enjoy the tightness of knowing no one else is messing with configs |
| 06:55.08 | Guerin | zorpit: as long as the admin is available, it's good that there be only one of him. A small number could also be acceptable; but not just doling out power to people like the boss just because he thinks he's important |
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| 06:55.11 | valdyn_ | equnix: appearance of "VIA" in which file? |
| 06:56.23 | zorpit | Guerin: You're probably right - I guess I've never really worked at a company that had a super-competent, super-available admin |
| 06:56.31 | equnix | valdyn_ .config |
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| 06:57.02 | equnix | valdyn_ take this file for example, i should contain VIA82CXXX, but it does not |
| 06:57.03 | valdyn_ | equnix: that file doesnt exist in a "clean" source, so you must already have run make config or similar |
| 06:57.12 | Samus_Aran | can a bunch of you paste me your total RAM KB as reported by your kernel, so I can test my script on this number: awk '/MemTotal:/ {print $2}' /proc/meminfo |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | zorpit: heh. |
| 06:57.23 | Guerin | zorpit: that's another issue, I guess. |
| 06:57.26 | equnix | valdyn_ i run make menuconfig, and then stepped out of it |
| 06:57.39 | doleyb | Samus_Aran: you are joined to #flood already? |
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| 06:58.21 | Samus_Aran | doleyb: no, but it is just a single number, no need for flood (?) |
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| 06:58.31 | Guest14313 | hi |
| 06:58.42 | OPP | i want to put debian on my old comp |
| 06:58.49 | OPP | where should i get it |
| 06:58.54 | doleyb | Samus_Aran: Well if you expect to get a lot of them... anyway, MemTotal: 1035868 kB |
| 06:58.56 | Guerin | OPP: topic |
| 06:59.06 | valdyn_ | equnix: there is 6 occurrences of via in my .config after I did just that.. |
| 06:59.16 | grivell | !tell OPP about d-i |
| 06:59.18 | equnix | valdyn_ 2.6.10 |
| 06:59.19 | equnix | ? |
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| 06:59.25 | Samus_Aran | doleyb: and is your PHYSICAL RAM = 1024MB ? |
| 06:59.39 | valdyn_ | equnix: yea, tar xfj kernel-source.tar.bz2 && make menuconfig |
| 06:59.43 | doleyb | yes |
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| 06:59.55 | equnix | valdyn_ now is that strange |
| 07:00.10 | OPP | thank you |
| 07:00.23 | OPP | what book do you reccomed me getting to just learn about debian |
| 07:00.23 | equnix | valdyn_ i wonder why?.... |
| 07:00.52 | doleyb | OPP: Are you new to linux? might want to try something else (like knoppix) before getting debian. |
| 07:00.52 | zorpit | not only are the default passwords everybody's social security numbers, but also there are 21 accounts whose passwords are "faculty" (!) |
| 07:01.21 | valdyn_ | equnix: you did more than I just listed i guess |
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| 07:01.31 | equnix | valdyn_ no, i didn't |
| 07:01.57 | equnix | unp kernel-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2; cd kernel-source-2.6.10; make menuconfig; |
| 07:02.09 | Guerin | doleyb: don't recommend knoppix for installation onto a computer. |
| 07:02.13 | valdyn_ | equnix: yea |
| 07:02.19 | Guerin | doleyb: or if you want to, do it in #knoppix |
| 07:02.36 | Guerin | zorpit: what's your ip address? |
| 07:02.39 | doleyb | Guerin: as it happens, my debian box was installed by upgrading from knoppix, because debian's default kernel wont use my hw. |
| 07:02.46 | valdyn_ | equnix: grep -i via .config |
| 07:02.47 | equnix | valdyn_ ....?! |
| 07:02.48 | Buuyo^ | I've been looking around, and I can't seem to find a way to set up a bridge that obtains one IP address by DHCP, and uses another that's static. I can do it by hand with ifconfig (with a simple br0:1), but getting it to work in the debian way seems troublesome. http://www.pastebin.com/231971 (And yes, that's one network card. I'm just testing it for now. |
| 07:02.51 | Guerin | doleyb: then you're not using debian. |
| 07:03.19 | doleyb | Guerin: yes I am, everything is replaced with debian packages now. Just debian kernels aren't compatible enough, I had to compile my own. |
| 07:03.31 | equnix | valdyn_ # CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 is not set |
| 07:03.34 | equnix | that's it |
| 07:03.41 | Guerin | doleyb: so you've purged out the -knx packages, and reverted all the config files? |
| 07:03.50 | equnix | i know you think i've done something wierd but i havn't! |
| 07:03.55 | Guerin | equnix: THAT'S NOT THE MODULE! |
| 07:04.14 | equnix | Guerin hey, i know. we were talking about instances in .config, thank you |
| 07:04.14 | valdyn_ | Guerin: he knows |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | doleyb: because a dist-upgrade isn't enough... |
| 07:04.29 | Guerin | ok, just making sure |
| 07:04.31 | zinx | equnix: why do you refuse to use the interfaces that actually provide you with all the options, and properly handle dependencies? |
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| 07:04.37 | Guerin | I thought you were fixated on that module |
| 07:04.59 | zinx | equnix: the .config doesn't necessarily have all the options |
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| 07:05.07 | valdyn_ | equnix: remove kernel source tree and extract kernel-source.tar.bz2 again |
| 07:05.08 | equnix | i don't get why |
| 07:05.12 | equnix | ok |
| 07:05.30 | Guerin | because make *config builds a .config when you run it. Which is why it takes so long to start |
| 07:05.35 | zinx | equnix: use the interfaces that were -designed- for editing the .config |
| 07:05.38 | valdyn_ | equnix: i have no idea what you could have done incidentialy to get what you got |
| 07:06.04 | valdyn_ | equnix: unless you Ctrl-C out or somesuch |
| 07:06.04 | equnix | # cd /usr/src; apt-get remove --purge kernel-source-2.6.10; rm -Rf *; apt-get clean; apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10;... to be continnued |
| 07:06.26 | Guerin | apt-get clean was unnecessary |
| 07:06.27 | zinx | equnix: those being make xconfig, make menuconfig, and make config (or make oldconfig for only new options) |
| 07:06.38 | equnix | zinx yep |
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| 07:07.10 | zinx | there is no reason to edit it by hand, and you'll likely mess it up if you do, since make *config handles dependencies that you might not know about |
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| 07:07.32 | chugga | how do i confirm my router is port forwarding |
| 07:07.39 | Iron | ask it |
| 07:07.46 | Guerin | chugga: try to do something which requires it |
| 07:07.53 | Guerin | what Iron said |
| 07:07.53 | equnix | zinx i have edited the file by hand, but i used the bz2 file which should be the original and got the same strange .config... :S |
| 07:07.55 | chugga | it doesnt want to tell me, or it doesnt want to forward |
| 07:07.55 | DarthVader | hallo. how do i use my debian testing CD-1 as a rescue CD? I want to use ti to boot to Debian, and change the grub info |
| 07:08.28 | zinx | equnix: why are you viewing the .config at all? :) |
| 07:08.36 | DarthVader | I could'nt find where to pass options to get to rescue mode |
| 07:08.51 | Guerin | DarthVader: boot, then hit alt+f2 for a shell, mount and chroot from there |
| 07:08.53 | zinx | equnix: if you want something enabled, use the interfaces. if you want to see if something's enabled, use the interfaces. |
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| 07:09.20 | zinx | equnix: the disabled stuff doesn't have to be in the .config for the .config to be valid, and disabled stuff _is_ sometimes omitted. |
| 07:09.22 | DarthVader | Guerin: erm, is there any tutorial howto do this? never done this before |
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| 07:09.33 | valdyn_ | equnix: once you can, extract that tar.bz2 and make menuconfig and save the config when exiting. Then your .config _will_ contain 6 times VIA |
| 07:09.43 | Guerin | DarthVader: doing it from the debian cd is tricky. |
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| 07:09.57 | equnix | valdyn_ thank you |
| 07:10.00 | DarthVader | Guerin: oops. then tell me what to use |
| 07:10.05 | Guerin | DarthVader: better to use a full-blown shell like you can get from knoppix or lnx-bbc or something |
| 07:10.06 | equnix | and everyone else... a lot! |
| 07:10.59 | doleyb | Guerin: you also have to unpin a lot of packages that knoppix marks as non-upgrading. |
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| 07:11.52 | equnix | WHAT? |
| 07:11.55 | Guerin | doleyb: yeah... and manually hunt down and kill specific packages from specific sources |
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| 07:12.17 | equnix | i promise you i cleaned it all out and i still only get one VIA in the file... |
| 07:12.20 | Guerin | i did it a year or so ago |
| 07:12.47 | Guerin | equnix: and you did make menuconfig and saved the config file? |
| 07:13.36 | Atropine | After changing the hostname, i'm supposed to restart a service, can't remember which though anyone please ? |
| 07:14.10 | maher | Atropine: no - but you should edit /etc/hostname to make the change permanent |
| 07:14.14 | equnix | Guerin yes... |
| 07:14.15 | valdyn_ | Atropine: why restart any at all? |
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| 07:14.47 | Atropine | maher: done, i remember there's a service to restart though |
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| 07:15.04 | maher | Atropine: not afaik |
| 07:15.16 | Atropine | and my refused smtp action proves the point... 550 Don't like your HELO/EHLO. Hostname must contain a dot. |
| 07:15.23 | Atropine | added a dot but doesn't works |
| 07:15.29 | Atropine | restarted smtpd, nothing |
| 07:15.40 | Atropine | there's something else to restart, just can't remember what |
| 07:15.53 | maher | Atropine: what does hostname say |
| 07:15.53 | valdyn_ | Atropine: why would your mailer care about /etc/hostname |
| 07:16.35 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:17.08 | krenos | ... |
| 07:17.13 | Atropine | valdyn_: i dono, that's sourceforge server who's pissing me off, i have no problem |
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| 07:17.30 | Atropine | maher: it tells about the name i changed, so it's supposedly ok |
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| 07:18.38 | maher | Atropine: paste the relevant log entry into #flood |
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| 07:19.03 | equnix | you guys wont believe this, it's the same when i downloaded kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 07:19.13 | equnix | i package i havn't even touched! |
| 07:19.22 | equnix | something is wrong with my 'make' or something |
| 07:19.23 | lixar_ | i did an apt-get upgrade, but i was logged out. is there a command to continue where i left off? or do i just type apt-get upgrade again? |
| 07:19.23 | unixfool_ | Is there a shell test for seeing if a file in older than another? |
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| 07:19.30 | maher | equnix: what exactly is your problem |
| 07:19.34 | lixar_ | hmm |
| 07:20.18 | equnix | maher i extract the sources of my 2.6.{8.10} linux, and there is only one instance of "via" found. for valdyn_, among others, there where six! |
| 07:20.21 | valdyn_ | lixar_: nothing special to do, apt-get will resume where it stopped |
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| 07:20.32 | equnix | maher and i need one of those |
| 07:20.35 | lixar_ | valdyn_ : thanks! |
| 07:20.35 | maher | equnix: one instance of via found in what? |
| 07:20.44 | equnix | maher sorry, in the .config file |
| 07:20.50 | lixar_ | valdyn_: apt-get is way cool |
| 07:20.51 | equnix | maher i need to enable drivers for my motherboard |
| 07:21.12 | maher | equnix: you have the wrong options enabled n make menuconfig |
| 07:21.27 | equnix | maher how so? |
| 07:21.28 | Guerin | the thing is he hasn't properly run make menuconfig |
| 07:21.36 | valdyn_ | maher: he should have the same options enabled that i have |
| 07:21.37 | Guerin | I bet that's the problem |
| 07:21.39 | Atropine | Damn, why the hell this stupid mail server at sourceforge bothers about my hostname |
| 07:21.41 | Atropine | :/ |
| 07:21.43 | Atropine | crap |
| 07:21.51 | Guerin | Atropine: what is your hostname? |
| 07:21.53 | maher | equnix: run make menuconfig - select all the via chipset options |
| 07:22.05 | Atropine | debian.ici |
| 07:22.10 | mlewis00 | jetscreamer: Is there some difference between completely stopping and starting gdm (i.e. switching runlevels) and doing a restart? I am sure that I switched to a runlevel that stopped gdm, did some research using lynx, and then switched to the runlevel that is configured for the GUI and that did not correct the problem. Now, after executing /etc/init.d/gdm restart (while the GUI was running), I have an .Xauthority file (???) |
| 07:22.15 | Atropine | Guerin: debian.ici |
| 07:22.19 | chugga | whats the package for mplayer called |
| 07:22.20 | equnix | maher where? i don't even find them |
| 07:22.27 | dondelelcaro | chugga: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 07:22.28 | Guerin | Atropine: hrm, that should work |
| 07:22.33 | Atropine | was simply debian before |
| 07:22.40 | Atropine | changed it to comply |
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| 07:22.52 | maher | equnix: that's part of the problem - try make xconfig - it should show you the hidden options |
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| 07:23.14 | equnix | maher i don't have x |
| 07:23.21 | valdyn_ | Atropine: which smtp server are you running? |
| 07:23.24 | zinx | equnix: then use make menuconfig |
| 07:23.27 | equnix | why isn't mplayer in debian? |
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| 07:23.33 | equnix | zinx that's theone i'm using |
| 07:23.34 | maher | equnix: license issues |
| 07:23.38 | valdyn_ | equnix: patent issues |
| 07:23.54 | Atropine | valdyn_: postfix, it works since 2 years without a problem |
| 07:23.57 | zinx | equnix: which version? |
| 07:24.01 | equnix | valdyn_ what kind of patents? |
| 07:24.08 | Atropine | I receive this: host mail.sourceforge.net[66.35.250.206] refused to talk to me: 550 Don't like your HELO/EHLO. Hostname must contain a dot. |
| 07:24.08 | equnix | zinx of what? kernel-source? 2.6.10 |
| 07:24.19 | zinx | equnix: one moment, i'll find it for you... |
| 07:24.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell equnix about mplayer legal saga |
| 07:24.24 | Guerin | neither license nor patent issues, explicitly |
| 07:24.26 | valdyn_ | equnix: mp3 / mpg i guess, maybe more, no idea |
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| 07:24.38 | Atropine | Well, i think i'll send from the webmail interface |
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| 07:24.44 | zinx | equnix: Device drivers -> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support |
| 07:24.45 | Guerin | mostly mplayer isn't in debian because some of its code is or was of questionably origin |
| 07:24.48 | Atropine | only got one question to ask on this mailing list anyways |
| 07:24.51 | maher | equnix: look for the mb chipst options in the config and start saying yes to them |
| 07:24.53 | valdyn_ | Guerin: yea everyone sais something else |
| 07:24.59 | Guerin | !mplayer legal saga |
| 07:24.59 | dpkg | Mplayer is currently not in Debian because the legal saga surrounding its codebase has not been concluded. Unfortunatly, upstream has not done due dilligence with the licensing of their codebase, creating a need for ftpmaster or a representative to audit the codebase before inclusion in Debian. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20030125.063402.a3a08167.en.html and http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/2 |
| 07:25.16 | zinx | equnix: ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support, Enhanced IDE/MFM/RLL disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support, PCI IDE chipset support |
| 07:25.23 | Guerin | it's a LOOONG story |
| 07:25.30 | zinx | equnix: Generic PCI bus-master DMA support |
| 07:25.32 | mlewis00 | jetscreamer: Anyway, thanks for the suggestion...I would never have thought to restart gdm while the GUI was running without logging out :-) |
| 07:25.57 | zinx | equnix: then, most likely from what i've seen so far of the conversation, VIA82CXXX chipset support |
| 07:26.13 | valdyn_ | Atropine: dpkg-reconfigure postfix and fix your hostname there might be it, or /etc/mailname, possibly, i dunno |
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| 07:26.46 | valdyn_ | Atropine: just /etc/hostname is certainly irrelevant to your issues |
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| 07:27.29 | equnix | zinx how would i have found that without knowing?! |
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| 07:27.57 | equnix | how did you find it? that was amazing |
| 07:28.13 | Atropine | the mailname is ok |
| 07:28.28 | Atropine | well, it works with everything besides this server |
| 07:28.38 | Atropine | i don't think i'm the problem |
| 07:28.42 | Atropine | anyhow, thanks |
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| 07:28.48 | Atropine | i used the webmail to do it |
| 07:28.50 | valdyn_ | Atropine: something that would make more sense to me is, that sourceforge does not like your hostname, and doesn't accept mail from one whos name cant be looked up, use a mail relay of your isp |
| 07:28.59 | thought | anyone ever mess with spoofing mac's ? |
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| 07:29.25 | Atropine | valdyn_: i changed isp and can't use their smtp anymore, since my adress is not their's |
| 07:29.26 | Atropine | .... |
| 07:29.35 | Iron | ask itapt-build |
| 07:29.41 | Atropine | so i... "wrap" their hostname... |
| 07:29.41 | Atropine | :P |
| 07:29.55 | valdyn_ | Atropine: thats a problem, default spam filters too rank dialup mail servers very high |
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| 07:30.05 | Atropine | it works pretty well with everything besides hotmail which sets me as junk :) |
| 07:30.10 | valdyn_ | Atropine: s/dialup/dynamic/ |
| 07:30.25 | Atropine | am not on dialup |
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| 07:30.48 | HotFalafel | change dialup with dynamic |
| 07:30.59 | Atropine | i don't have enough money to buy a domain name, else i'd have added my nice mx line in dns and i'd be done |
| 07:31.06 | Atropine | well, i'll bbs |
| 07:31.07 | Atropine | thanks |
| 07:31.22 | maher | Atropine: you can buy a domain name for $25 |
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| 07:31.39 | valdyn_ | Atropine: ALille-252-1-33-143.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr is just bad for an smtp server |
| 07:32.13 | equnix | zinx, valdyn_, Guerin, jetscreamer and others: THANKS :) |
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| 07:32.39 | valdyn_ | equnix: oh? you managed to fix it? |
| 07:32.54 | equnix | valdyn_ i got the option first after enabling other options |
| 07:33.01 | equnix | valdyn_ which is wierd, and don't see why |
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| 07:33.36 | valdyn_ | equnix: yea, weird indeed |
| 07:33.47 | equnix | valdyn_ if zinx wouldn't have knowns what i was looking for i would never had found it |
| 07:34.32 | valdyn_ | equnix: weird that your default .config is different from everyone else's |
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| 07:34.51 | equnix | valdyn_ yes. and i even tried with the 2.6.8 source, the result was the same |
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| 07:39.26 | equnix | topic del |
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| 07:41.49 | liquidhex | Newsgroup browser / binary getter for X? GUI based? |
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| 07:42.42 | equnix | !xcollector |
| 07:42.42 | dpkg | methinks xcollector is a good binary newsgroup leecher (pr0n obtainer), see xcollector.dino.vg |
| 07:42.42 | equnix | ? |
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| 07:42.57 | liquidhex | nice. |
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| 07:43.00 | liquidhex | ill check it. |
| 07:43.02 | liquidhex | thanks equnix |
| 07:43.20 | liquidhex | WAIT |
| 07:43.21 | equnix | liquidhex i've never tested it, but good luck. np :) |
| 07:43.21 | liquidhex | NO THANKS. |
| 07:43.25 | liquidhex | that site doesnt resolve |
| 07:43.37 | liquidhex | :> |
| 07:43.46 | liquidhex | im playin around.. thanks anyways.. hehe |
| 07:44.02 | equnix | liquidhex ok :) |
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| 07:53.30 | Python__ | hi guys |
| 07:54.01 | Python__ | im installing debian. how do i find what network driver to initialize |
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| 07:54.23 | Python__ | i dont see any that look write |
| 07:54.28 | Python__ | right not write |
| 07:54.42 | Python__ | is anyone hear |
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| 07:55.14 | equnix | ok, it still wont boot. | specific data: the error: www.dedikerad.se/error.txt | lilo conf: www.dedikerad.se/lilo.conf.txt | dmesg on the working system: www.dedikerad.se/dmesg.txt | my .config on the broken system: www.dedikerad.se/.config.txt |
| 07:55.30 | doleyb | I'm not hear. And initialize whichever one you like to use. (ethernet, modem, nothing...) |
| 07:55.31 | dondelelcaro | Python__: use the sarge d-i; it'll autodetect your hardware. |
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| 07:55.53 | Python__ | how do i do that |
| 07:56.00 | dondelelcaro | !tell Python__ about d-i |
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| 07:57.01 | dondelelcaro | equnix: the error means exactly what it says. Your root option is incorrect, or you haven't built in the module that is required to mount your root filesystem. |
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| 07:58.18 | equnix | dondelelcaro my root option is correct, so what module would that be? i cant find that out. www.dedikerad.se/lspci-vv.txt |
| 07:58.50 | dondelelcaro | equnix: what filesystem is / ? |
| 07:58.55 | Python__ | thanks |
| 07:58.59 | equnix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.07 | Python__ | im downloading sarge now |
| 07:59.08 | equnix | ext2 |
| 07:59.42 | equnix | should be no problem the way i'm looking at it |
| 08:00.29 | dondelelcaro | equnix: # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK is not set <--- this is your problem |
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| 08:02.27 | aliasptr | What would be a debian standard way to enable DMA on a drive during boot? (The kernel fails to enable DMA on it's own but using hdparm sets it) |
| 08:02.44 | equnix | dondelelcaro thanks, i will try enabling that |
| 08:02.47 | equnix | dondelelcaro thanks alot |
| 08:03.37 | dondelelcaro | aliasptr: see /etc/hdparm.conf and /usr/share/doc/hdparm/README.Debian |
| 08:03.56 | aliasptr | dondelelcaro, damn, it's just that easy, let me guess if I had read the man page I'd have found that out.. idiot. |
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| 08:04.13 | aliasptr | blarg yep.. sorry for bothering everyon |
| 08:04.25 | aliasptr | I did search with google but apparently not the right thing |
| 08:04.28 | dondelelcaro | aliasptr: yes, it's listed at the bottom of the man page... and looking at /usr/share/doc/<packagename> will always help you figure these things out |
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| 08:04.40 | aliasptr | well rather I thought it'd be more complicated than this |
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| 08:04.53 | dondelelcaro | aliasptr: if it doesn't, odds are you need to file a bug against the package asking for better documentation |
| 08:05.26 | aliasptr | dondelelcaro, yeah I bypassed the normal channels of documentation assuming (incorrectly) this was more complex than it is in fact |
| 08:05.31 | aliasptr | dondelelcaro, thanks much |
| 08:05.34 | dondelelcaro | aliasptr: np |
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| 08:07.11 | lee | is there any security risk for have files on the internet set with public execute permissions? |
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| 08:08.07 | dondelelcaro | lee: eh? the only way someone could execute it would be through apache, so it's not like it matters. |
| 08:08.18 | lee | thats what i was wondering, thanks |
| 08:08.40 | dondelelcaro | lee: although, you should always worry about whatever apache can actually execute and whether or not people should be able to do that. |
| 08:09.13 | lee | dondelelcaro: can you give me an example of that |
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| 08:09.42 | dondelelcaro | lee: FE, if I have a script that opens up a shell on a port running as apache. That's not something you'd want me to runl. |
| 08:10.06 | lee | oh yeah, im just talking about php scripts and css files |
| 08:10.40 | lee | just wondering if mabye they could get the source somehow if it was on execute, since my db passwords might be in one |
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| 08:11.36 | dondelelcaro | lee: the execute bit won't do anything to protect the source either way. |
| 08:11.37 | RobNyc | Hello |
| 08:11.40 | RobNyc | anyone here using apt-build |
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| 08:11.45 | dondelelcaro | !anyone |
| 08:11.45 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 08:12.48 | robewald | hi |
| 08:13.20 | robewald | does anyone else have problems connecting between openswan 2.2.0 and openswan 2.3.0? |
| 08:14.02 | RobNyc | dpkg: is Kanotix debian? |
| 08:14.03 | dpkg | RobNyc: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:14.10 | dondelelcaro | RobNyc: no, kanotix isn't. |
| 08:14.21 | dondelelcaro | RobNyc: only Debian is Debian. |
| 08:14.24 | RobNyc | ok |
| 08:14.25 | RobNyc | thanks |
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| 08:18.16 | Xsquared_ | hey, how do i get my cd/rw drive to be found with debian? |
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| 08:19.25 | Buuyo^ | Hi. With /etc/network/interfaces is it possible to configure a bridge so that it gets one IP by DHCP, and another is set statically? (IP aliasing on a bridge device, basically.) |
| 08:19.58 | Buuyo^ | I have something like this: http://www.pastebin.com/231971 but br0:1 is never set. :| |
| 08:20.02 | dondelelcaro | Buuyo^: a bridge device typically has two interfaces, so yes. |
| 08:20.33 | Buuyo^ | I have no problems doing this with ifconfig by hand. I'm just looking for the debian way to do it. |
| 08:20.53 | Buuyo^ | dhclient -q br0; ifconfig br0:1 10.0.1.1 ... and stuff. |
| 08:21.13 | Buuyo^ | so that ifup will set it up on bootup. ^^; |
| 08:21.24 | dondelelcaro | Buuyo^: you have no auto br0:1 line. |
| 08:21.46 | Buuyo^ | So that's a requirement for ip aliasing? |
| 08:22.01 | Buuyo^ | Ok.. I'll try it for sure. |
| 08:22.27 | dondelelcaro | Buuyo^: no, that's a requirement for bringing up an interface automatically. |
| 08:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Buuyo^: otherwise it just sits there until you specifically call ifup br0:1 |
| 08:22.49 | Buuyo^ | Oh. That's probably it exactly then. |
| 08:23.06 | dondelelcaro | Buuyo^: man 5 interfaces; explains this all in excruciating detail |
| 08:23.31 | Buuyo^ | I got to "mapping" and was thrown off. ^^; |
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| 08:24.39 | Buuyo^ | SET failed on device br0:1 ; Operation not supported. |
| 08:24.47 | Buuyo^ | brb I guess. |
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| 08:25.06 | dondelelcaro | I see no reason why you're setting up a bridge on the same interface of a single device though... |
| 08:25.13 | Buuyo^ | heh |
| 08:25.19 | Buuyo^ | I'll be throwing a second nic in there in a bit |
| 08:25.21 | dondelelcaro | a gateway I understand... but a bridge makes no sense. |
| 08:25.23 | Buuyo^ | I'm just testing it right now |
| 08:25.23 | IRCAU | is it possible to install debian from a partition on a harddrive? |
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| 08:25.35 | dondelelcaro | IRCAU: yes. |
| 08:25.48 | IRCAU | is there a guide |
| 08:26.00 | IRCAU | /echo here |
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| 08:26.05 | IRCAU | whops sorry |
| 08:26.11 | IRCAU | i cant find any guides |
| 08:26.34 | dondelelcaro | IRCAU: the install guide kind of covers it, but basically you'll need debootstrap, and a basic understanding of how a Debian install works. |
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| 08:27.48 | Buuyo^ | heh I wonder where it got the idea that br0:1 was a wireless device. |
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| 08:34.14 | codebreaker | good morning. soembody here with knowledge how to connect(sarge) (read/write in both directions) evolution/korganizer/... with webcalendar. so that i dont need to import/export all the time the icf files. |
| 08:34.16 | Python__ | hi again |
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| 08:35.05 | coywolf | can I have xfce4.3 co-exist with the debian xfce4.0 ? |
| 08:35.18 | dondelelcaro | coywolf: probably not well. |
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| 08:36.36 | La_Tortuga | Hello I am trying to install debian in Viritual PC when booting, the X dosn't work when I run X as root I get an error messenge that says: Fatal server error: Faild to initialize core devices befor this it says configured mouse: protocol: "ImPS/2" (**) Configured Mouse: Core Pointer (EE) Xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device (EE) configured mouse: cannot open input device (EE) PreInit faield for input device "c |
| 08:36.54 | La_Tortuga | Help |
| 08:37.30 | La_Tortuga | I am using a Microsoft USB mouse |
| 08:37.45 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Linux don't know that ;) |
| 08:38.24 | La_Tortuga | no but what should i do |
| 08:38.31 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: first of all, don't start X as root. ;) (debugging is a valid excuse indeed) |
| 08:38.34 | dondelelcaro | La_Tortuga: that doesn't matter. What matters is what VPC is showing Debian is running |
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| 08:39.00 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: modprobe psmouse? |
| 08:39.11 | La_Tortuga | Gonna cheack |
| 08:40.07 | La_Tortuga | Microsoft USB mouse wheel optical it says in the thing were you see your hardwere in Windows don't know it's name in english |
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| 08:41.51 | hanoi_pm | how to enable mouse in /etc/vim/vimrc ? |
| 08:42.06 | La_Tortuga | :'( |
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| 08:42.47 | dondelelcaro | La_Tortuga: ah, ok.. that's what it's being emulated as. /msg dpkg usb mouse; that'll give you the instructions you need. |
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| 08:46.57 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: He's talking about the Windows hardware properties |
| 08:47.07 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: What is vmware emulating? |
| 08:47.18 | La_Tortuga | Viritual PC not vmware |
| 08:47.36 | La_Tortuga | And i can't see that of some lame reason |
| 08:47.49 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Well, then.. |
| 08:47.59 | La_Tortuga | But i think it's my real mouse |
| 08:48.07 | La_Tortuga | Sounds logical |
| 08:48.08 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: modprobe psmouse |
| 08:49.13 | La_Tortuga | I got instructions by dondelcaro or dpkg.... |
| 08:49.13 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: cat /dev/input/mice |
| 08:49.13 | La_Tortuga | I try them first¨ |
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| 08:49.24 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: be my guest |
| 08:49.33 | toresbe | wget http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3 |
| 08:49.39 | toresbe | whoops |
| 08:49.41 | toresbe | sorry |
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| 08:54.43 | Python__ | how much longer till sarge becomes the stable vertion |
| 08:54.54 | Nwallins | i apt-get installed xfce4 and gnome how can i switch between the two, desktop-wise? |
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| 08:56.35 | IRCAU | hmm\ |
| 08:56.46 | Python__ | dous anyone know when sarge is going to be considertd the stable vertion |
| 08:56.52 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 08:56.52 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 08:56.56 | Nwallins | also taking suggestions for desktop environments |
| 08:57.36 | hanoi_pm | GNU's screen stops me from using mouse in VIM, how to deal with it? |
| 08:58.00 | dondelelcaro | hanoi_pm: screen doesn't have good gpm support, unfortunatly. |
| 08:58.33 | hanoi_pm | dondelelcaro: thank you, do you know any alternative to screen? |
| 08:59.16 | vladkao | dondelelcaro: it hase none :-) |
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| 08:59.40 | dondelelcaro | vladkao: that would qualify as not having good support... ;-) |
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| 09:00.09 | dondelelcaro | hanoi_pm: there are a few... although, I'm really not sure why you'd need the mouse in vi. |
| 09:00.13 | bbrazil | hanoi_pm: why do you need the mouse in vim? |
| 09:00.41 | hanoi_pm | *sometimes*, the mouse is useful than the keyboard, don't you agree? |
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| 09:01.15 | topa | !default desktop |
| 09:01.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, default desktop is to change the default "desktop", do update-alternatives --config x-session-manager (man update-alternatives) |
| 09:02.01 | bbrazil | hanoi_pm: yes, but that means taking one of your hands off the keyboard |
| 09:02.04 | youph | can someone help me... i'm trying to apt-get install php4, installs fine, i restart apache but i dont think php is working (when i try to access a .php page on the site, myweb browser tries to download the .php file instead of displaying HTML i'm assuming this means php is broken server side) |
| 09:02.38 | youph | is there any 'test' to see if mod_php is actually loaded |
| 09:03.10 | hanoi_pm | bbrazil: yes, but some replace actions doesn't need both hands on the keyboard, then one hand can be used for the mouse to move around, very handful |
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| 09:04.19 | bbrazil | hanoi_pm: in that case take advantage of whatever copy&paste your windowing system provides. use ':set paste' as nessecary |
| 09:04.21 | hanoi_pm | bbrazil: VIM provides mouse support, so they know some people will find it helpful |
| 09:04.28 | Nwallins | how can i switch from XFCE4 to Gnome default desktop? both are installed |
| 09:05.02 | Mr|Dave | Can anyone help me figure out how to get the exact options the debian-installer uses for the kernel? |
| 09:05.21 | bbrazil | youph: have you installed libapache_mod_php ? |
| 09:05.29 | Mr|Dave | the deb installer cd recognizes all my devices, but the kernel it puts on the system afterward doesn't |
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| 09:05.43 | hanoi_pm | bbrazil: so I have to choose between vim and screen, anyway, it's not critical |
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| 09:05.49 | Mr|Dave | i tried recompiling my own kernel, but the kernel build always dies |
| 09:06.11 | hanoi_pm | Mr|Dave: die? a "kernel panic" message on boot? |
| 09:06.31 | Mr|Dave | no |
| 09:06.35 | Mr|Dave | the compilation itself fails |
| 09:06.39 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: don't build a kernel; just make the debian kernel work properly. |
| 09:06.55 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: what doesn't work after the install? |
| 09:06.57 | hanoi_pm | Mr|Dave: what does it say |
| 09:06.58 | dnb | how can i put enter character after all -> ", <- characters.. |
| 09:06.59 | Mr|Dave | my ide devices |
| 09:07.04 | dnb | via sed.. |
| 09:07.06 | Mr|Dave | they don't show up. they're on a promise controller card |
| 09:07.07 | bbrazil | hanoi_pm: I choose screen. vim can be used without the mouse without any loss in funtionality, but it is a personal choice |
| 09:07.11 | Mr|Dave | well, 2 cards actually |
| 09:07.22 | fooz | hanoi_pm, your mouse doesn't work with vim under screen? |
| 09:07.22 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: details |
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| 09:07.29 | hanoi_pm | fooz: yes |
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| 09:07.41 | fooz | hanoi_pm, i don't use vim, but do you have links? try that for me? |
| 09:07.42 | Mr|Dave | pdc202xx_old and pdc202xx_new are the modules that *should* work for my cards |
| 09:07.45 | fooz | hanoi_pm, it works here in links |
| 09:07.46 | Czesiu | hello |
| 09:07.55 | Mr|Dave | they are loaded, but there are no devices under /dev/ide |
| 09:07.56 | fooz | hanoi_pm, i can send you my .screenrc |
| 09:08.09 | hanoi_pm | bbrazil: I agree, I prefer screen, mostly because I connect to a remote machine, and screen is critical in this case |
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| 09:08.16 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: did you install with linux or linux26? |
| 09:08.24 | bbrazil | dnb: how about awk 'BEGIN{IRS=/" ,/} {print}' (untested) |
| 09:08.26 | hanoi_pm | fooz: thank you very much, I'll love to see it |
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| 09:08.31 | Mr|Dave | i've tried both |
| 09:08.42 | fooz | hrm |
| 09:08.45 | Mr|Dave | i've done like 50 reinstalls in the last few days, i'm trying to remember which the last one was on =) |
| 09:08.58 | fooz | actually, the mouse doesn't seem to work across an ssh session |
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| 09:08.59 | fooz | but locally it does |
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| 09:09.06 | Mr|Dave | i have a ton of different kernels installed at this point, been trying testing and unstable kernels to figure out if any work |
| 09:09.23 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: so you can't boot at all after install? |
| 09:09.30 | dnb | also i need to put "+" character to in all words.. |
| 09:09.30 | Mr|Dave | it boots fine |
| 09:09.33 | Mr|Dave | i have scsi drives |
| 09:09.39 | Mr|Dave | those are recognized just fine after the install |
| 09:09.58 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: ok. so once you're booted, what happens when you probe the modules? |
| 09:10.07 | caskey | While I am a longtime debian user, I am not intimately familiar with the debian release process (despite some effort). Can someone who knows, translate dpkg's response about sarge into a human-readble response like "maybe february", or "early summer" or even "not this year"? |
| 09:10.13 | dnb | asdas asdasd must be asdas+asdasd |
| 09:10.15 | Mr|Dave | well they're automatically probed, should i try re-modprobing? |
| 09:10.19 | hanoi_pm | fooz: oh, so I'm out of luck, I need ssh + screen + vim by the same time |
| 09:10.20 | rhe | Hi, i got a problem with my debian sarge + apache2 + config. I put the apache2 error log here http://www.pastebin.com/231999. Any ideas? ... thanks |
| 09:10.29 | Mr|Dave | hm, modprobing does nothing |
| 09:10.31 | fooz | hanoi_pm, well it might be a misset termcap variable or something |
| 09:10.31 | Guerin | caskey: once testing security comes online + 30 days |
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| 09:10.51 | caskey | Guerin: Yeah, I got that from apt, but what'a a resonable guess for the first part? |
| 09:10.57 | fusion | rhe: tried #apache? they can probably help you more |
| 09:11.00 | caskey | Guerin: s/apt/dpkg/ |
| 09:11.05 | dnb | i did :p |
| 09:11.09 | bbrazil | dnb: add IFS=' ' OFS='+' to the above |
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| 09:11.21 | rhe | fusion: will try it there ... tanks |
| 09:11.24 | rhe | thanks :) |
| 09:11.24 | Guerin | caskey: they've been working on getting it all working for ages now. I don't really know when they'll have it done. |
| 09:11.30 | fusion | np |
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| 09:11.34 | hanoi_pm | fooz: thank you for you hint, I'll try to work around it |
| 09:11.38 | caskey | Guerin: okay, that's useful information, thanks. |
| 09:11.47 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: does nothing... you mean no output on the shell? |
| 09:11.51 | Mr|Dave | correct |
| 09:11.53 | Nwallins | what setting determines the window manager / desktop environment, when several are installed? |
| 09:11.57 | Mr|Dave | the module is already loaded, however |
| 09:12.02 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: that means sucess. Try mounting those devices. |
| 09:12.09 | vladkao | Nwallins: you missed it, didn't you? |
| 09:12.10 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: oh. |
| 09:12.11 | Mr|Dave | where are the devices to mount? |
| 09:12.18 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: you tell me :) |
| 09:12.21 | Mr|Dave | heh |
| 09:12.22 | Mr|Dave | there is no /dev/ide |
| 09:12.22 | caskey | someone should update dpkg to say that achieving the precondition has been under way since XXX so as to help people understand. |
| 09:12.31 | Mr|Dave | while there is if i boot off the debian-installer cd |
| 09:12.59 | Mr|Dave | a cat /proc/partitions only shows my scsi devices |
| 09:13.06 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* or I think /dev/udb |
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| 09:13.11 | Nwallins | vladkao: yeah, i'm also at like 800x600 or 640x480 so i only see a few messages at a time |
| 09:13.15 | Nwallins | scrolling.. |
| 09:13.21 | Mr|Dave | i tried fdisk /dev/hd* on every letter, none work |
| 09:13.34 | Mr|Dave | there is no /dev/ud* |
| 09:13.39 | vladkao | Nwallins: /msg dpkg default desktop |
| 09:13.40 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: fdisk -l; should show all available devices |
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| 09:13.56 | Mr|Dave | hmm, -l has no output |
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| 09:14.05 | Nwallins | thxc |
| 09:14.13 | Guerin | you need to be root |
| 09:14.28 | Mr|Dave | i am |
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| 09:14.53 | Mr|Dave | fdisk -l sda shows my scsi drive |
| 09:15.00 | Guerin | well, that gives me a readout of all the block devices connected to my machine. |
| 09:15.11 | Guerin | without arguments it should show ALL applicable devices |
| 09:15.12 | Mr|Dave | maybe there's something wrong with my fdisk? ;) |
| 09:15.19 | Guerin | dunno |
| 09:15.53 | Mr|Dave | if you have time to listen to me babble, i can go through the whole install again, just in case i can give you better output running off the installer cd |
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| 09:16.09 | dings | will alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686-smp be built for apt? |
| 09:16.35 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: what is the promise card for? raid? sata? or what? |
| 09:16.41 | dings | I can't seem to be able to bild it with the headers |
| 09:16.45 | Mr|Dave | ide, no raid |
| 09:17.04 | Mr|Dave | Ultra100 Tx2 |
| 09:17.21 | Mr|Dave | there are two of them, btw |
| 09:17.46 | Guerin | hrm, weirdness. so the modules you need are loaded at boot? do you need both modules, or only one? |
| 09:18.36 | Mr|Dave | it *seems* to need both. the cards are not identical, purchased at different times. |
| 09:18.44 | atrus | Mr|Dave: anything in dmesg about the drive(s)? anything new in it when you remove & re-modprobe the relevant modules? |
| 09:18.48 | Mr|Dave | the reason i say seems, is that under /proc/ide i see pdc202xx and pdcnew |
| 09:18.58 | Mr|Dave | let me look in dmesg for ide |
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| 09:19.18 | Mr|Dave | oh |
| 09:19.19 | fooz | bizarre |
| 09:19.20 | Mr|Dave | well this is odd |
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| 09:19.39 | fooz | maybe things depend on where screen was first run |
| 09:19.47 | Mr|Dave | it seems to indicate i have hde,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o, and p |
| 09:19.52 | Mr|Dave | (i only have 4 drives plugged in) |
| 09:19.55 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 09:20.08 | Mr|Dave | or maybe that's just the letters it's assigning |
| 09:20.22 | Mr|Dave | in any case, i don't have 3 controllers, which it seems to say |
| 09:20.28 | Guerin | try mounting one or more... or try fdisk -l /dev/hde* |
| 09:20.28 | Mr|Dave | 3 different pci slots |
| 09:20.29 | atrus | Mr|Dave: it's reserving a-d for your on-board ide, probabbly |
| 09:20.43 | gerard | hello, i'm using midnight commander, and the border of window, apperar squares instead lines |
| 09:21.09 | Guerin | gerard: does it affect the program's functionality? |
| 09:21.19 | Mr|Dave | fdisk -l /dev/hde* -- no output, fdisk -l /dev/hde -- no output, fdisk -l /dev/hd* -- no output |
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| 09:21.46 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: remove those modules, then look at dmesg again |
| 09:21.51 | atrus | Mr|Dave: are you using devfs or udev? |
| 09:22.13 | Mr|Dave | it won't let me remove them, busy |
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| 09:22.24 | Guerin | what process is using them? |
| 09:22.30 | Guerin | or what other module? |
| 09:22.41 | gerard | Guerin: no, but squares are bigger than lines.. and it isn't comfortable |
| 09:22.42 | Mr|Dave | ide-core looks like it's using them, but it won't let me remove that either |
| 09:22.43 | Guerin | and answer atrus's question |
| 09:22.47 | Mr|Dave | atrus: i don't know what those are |
| 09:22.50 | Mr|Dave | how can i check? |
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| 09:22.57 | gerard | can i download some packages from apt that solve it? |
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| 09:23.28 | atrus | Mr|Dave: ls /dev/.* -ld |
| 09:23.30 | Guerin | gerard: it might be a $TERM or a termcap issue, but I don't know enough to really troubleshoot it. |
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| 09:23.44 | atrus | should have a udev or devfs entry of some sort |
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| 09:24.08 | RolandU | hi all! Is it correct that linux is unable to write to ntfs? or is there some cool plug-in in debian that allows me to? |
| 09:24.11 | Mr|Dave | atrus: that shows me /dev/. and /dev/.. |
| 09:24.16 | gerard | Guerin: 1 month ago, i had another debian installed, and it worked fine, i think thats an apt package |
| 09:24.49 | Guerin | RolandU: it's unable to write to NTFS safely. there are experimental kernel modules to do it, but you get to keep the pieces of your data when it gets eaten. |
| 09:24.55 | atrus | Mr|Dave: this is a fresh install? |
| 09:25.02 | rhe | Hi, i got a problem with my debian sarge + apache2 + config. I put the apache2 error log here http://www.pastebin.com/231999. Any ideas? ... thanks |
| 09:25.16 | Mr|Dave | i've installed other kernels, through apt, but that's it |
| 09:25.27 | Mr|Dave | feel free to ask me to wipe it and start fresh =) |
| 09:25.27 | Guerin | RolandU: if you're able to dual-boot, there's also a project called captive which allows linux to use the windows ntfs library ... |
| 09:25.35 | atrus | what kernel version now? and 'ls /dev/hd*' |
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| 09:25.38 | dings | is there an oss module I can use instead of alsa's snd-azx? |
| 09:25.40 | Mr|Dave | it's 2.4 |
| 09:26.00 | Guerin | dings: why would you? |
| 09:26.07 | RolandU | Guerin, or I could just convert that partition to vfat, since it's WinXP, there should be no prob? |
| 09:26.22 | Mr|Dave | 2.4.27-2-686-smp |
| 09:26.30 | Guerin | RolandU: can you convert ntfs to fat32 without data loss? |
| 09:26.47 | Mr|Dave | ls /dev/hd* shows me a boatload of devices. a-h |
| 09:26.48 | dings | Guerin: because I am unable to build the alsa-modules with the kernel headers without unresolved symbols |
| 09:27.02 | Guerin | dings: are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 09:27.07 | dings | Guerin: jepp |
| 09:27.10 | RolandU | Guerin, there is nothing on it yet |
| 09:27.14 | gerard | Guerin: With xterm it works fine |
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| 09:27.24 | Guerin | dings: any reason you're not using a 2.6 with all the alsa modules all built for you? |
| 09:27.36 | Guerin | gerard: but it doesn't on the plain console? |
| 09:27.38 | atrus | Mr|Dave: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV hd |
| 09:27.41 | Nara | how can I configure postfix to deliver fqdn to cyrus |
| 09:27.45 | dings | Guerin: snd-azx isn't built in yet |
| 09:27.52 | Nara | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:27.56 | Guerin | dings: oh. |
| 09:28.06 | Mr|Dave | ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "hd" |
| 09:28.17 | dings | Guerin: and 2.6.9 and 10 panicks on my system :) |
| 09:28.29 | Guerin | dings: fun. |
| 09:28.32 | dings | jepp |
| 09:28.37 | atrus | Mr|Dave: './MAKEDEV hdi' ? |
| 09:28.54 | gerard | Guerin: I'm trying with konsole |
| 09:28.55 | Mr|Dave | ok, i have a bunch of i's now |
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| 09:29.20 | dings | Guerin: so I'm trying to fall back on oss, but I can't seem to find a module |
| 09:29.31 | atrus | Mr|Dave: do it with j-p too... and see if fdisk can access any of them then |
| 09:29.40 | Mr|Dave | i just tried i, it didn't work |
| 09:29.44 | Mr|Dave | i'll try the rest now |
| 09:30.09 | Guerin | dings: if it's not yet in alsa I doubt very much it's in oss. |
| 09:30.17 | atrus | yeah, i really don't know why your system would be putting all block devices so far up the alphabet |
| 09:30.26 | dings | Guerin: ack |
| 09:30.32 | IRCAU | do i need to burn all 7 cds? |
| 09:30.41 | Guerin | IRCAU: no |
| 09:30.43 | dings | IRCAU: netinst |
| 09:30.57 | IRCAU | hmm |
| 09:31.02 | atrus | Mr|Dave: you *might* want to try a 2.6 kernel with udev. |
| 09:31.04 | IRCAU | so i only need one cd |
| 09:31.13 | IRCAU | and can i point it to a local mirror |
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| 09:31.23 | dings | IRCAU: one cd, yes. I would use the sarge "debian installer" cd |
| 09:31.33 | Mr|Dave | the makedev/fdisk didn't work on any |
| 09:31.46 | IRCAU | http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-cd/ |
| 09:31.47 | IRCAU | ? |
| 09:31.50 | Mr|Dave | think i should apt-get a kernel, or just start over.. wipe it, and do 2.6 from the installer cd? |
| 09:31.55 | atrus | Mr|Dave: I'm running out of ideas for the night |
| 09:32.09 | atrus | Mr|Dave: if you don't have anything worthwhile on there, maybe yeah. |
| 09:32.15 | IRCAU | can you point me towards that iso\ |
| 09:32.22 | atrus | Mr|Dave: are you sure that that promise card is supported? |
| 09:32.23 | Mr|Dave | nothing on the install yet, i was waiting till i got ide working =) |
| 09:32.33 | Mr|Dave | well, i'm 100% sure it works while the deb-inst cd is in |
| 09:32.34 | gerard | Hello, when i run kernel menuconfig, midnight commander, (ncurses programs), borders are squares, and not lines :s what can i do?? |
| 09:32.39 | Mr|Dave | i can access all my drives, mount them, etc |
| 09:32.49 | Mr|Dave | it even recognizes that 2 of the drives are a raid1 |
| 09:32.53 | dings | IRCAU: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:33.09 | Mr|Dave | this is with the 2.4 deb-inst kernel |
| 09:33.13 | Guerin | gerard: when you run it in what? you said it was fine in xterm; just use xterm. |
| 09:33.18 | Mr|Dave | let me try with the 2.6 installer, just to see if i can see them |
| 09:33.41 | atrus | Mr|Dave: i thought you said there was no raid on there... |
| 09:34.02 | Mr|Dave | card |
| 09:34.04 | gerard | Guerin: but i prefer tu user konsole, and not xterm |
| 09:34.06 | Mr|Dave | there are no raid cards |
| 09:34.11 | Mr|Dave | 2 of the drives are a sw raid1 |
| 09:34.14 | gerard | Guerin: Konsole is better |
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| 09:34.22 | Guerin | gerard: try setting the TERM variable to 'xterm' in konsole config |
| 09:34.28 | Mr|Dave | but if i mount either individually, i can view them as regular xfs single drives |
| 09:34.30 | atrus | Mr|Dave: possibly in /dev/md* or /dev/rd* or /dev/ida* |
| 09:34.31 | Guerin | gerard: and/or ask in #debian-kde |
| 09:34.44 | Mr|Dave | well, that wouldn't explain the 2 other drives that aren't a raid-anything |
| 09:35.11 | atrus | i'm out of guesses and energy for the night.. good luck |
| 09:35.17 | Mr|Dave | thank you |
| 09:35.38 | Mr|Dave | i'm going to try 2.6, you're helpful even if the problem hasn't been solved |
| 09:35.46 | fooz | Mr|Dave, what's wrong? |
| 09:35.46 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: #debian-boot really are the best people to talk to now, I think. |
| 09:35.51 | Mr|Dave | hah |
| 09:36.09 | Mr|Dave | i just assumed this was the only chan, i'll try that too |
| 09:36.21 | Mr|Dave | fooz: promise ide controller cards (non-ide) not showing drives |
| 09:36.36 | Mr|Dave | the debian-installer cd shows everything just fine, but after install... nothing |
| 09:36.41 | fooz | Mr|Dave, oh. can't help you with hardware problems.. |
| 09:36.45 | Guerin | the people in #debian-boot wrote and maintain the installer. |
| 09:36.51 | Mr|Dave | s'all good fooz |
| 09:37.01 | Mr|Dave | i'm heading there now |
| 09:37.29 | fooz | if you wanted to know how to reformat and convert a machine to RAID remotely, I could help you with that :) but not with promise cards |
| 09:37.32 | Mr|Dave | first i want to see if the 2.6 kernel off the installer cd shows my ide devices like 2.4 |
| 09:37.37 | fooz | hehe |
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| 09:37.49 | fooz | Mr|Dave, 2.6 is way better w/ drivers |
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| 09:37.59 | Mr|Dave | well i was using rc2 of the installer |
| 09:38.12 | Mr|Dave | and 2.6 couldn't see my scsi drive |
| 09:38.18 | fooz | hmm |
| 09:38.26 | Mr|Dave | 2.4 could, so when i switched to nightlies... i just stuck with 2.4 |
| 09:38.31 | Mr|Dave | since it saw scsi and ide |
| 09:38.37 | Mr|Dave | gonna try the 2.6 installer just for kicks though |
| 09:38.46 | Mr|Dave | waiting the 5 minutes for the damn machine to boot right now |
| 09:38.53 | fooz | did it detect the controller at all though? |
| 09:39.03 | fooz | or it did and it just didn't see the drives? |
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| 09:39.14 | Mr|Dave | well, that was the fun thing |
| 09:39.36 | Mr|Dave | with rc2 of the installer, it recognized ide stuff just fine, but i couldn't fdisk |
| 09:39.48 | Mr|Dave | with scsi, it wouldn't see the drive at all |
| 09:39.55 | Mr|Dave | err, controller |
| 09:39.58 | Mr|Dave | not even the controller |
| 09:40.13 | fooz | did you have the driver for it loaded then? |
| 09:40.16 | Mr|Dave | of course... knoppix can't work on this machine either, it freezes no matter how many things i disable |
| 09:40.28 | fooz | heh.. burn the machine, it's evil :) |
| 09:40.30 | Mr|Dave | yeah, a friend of mine is a linux sysadmin, he was originally messing with it |
| 09:40.36 | Mr|Dave | after like 3 days of us trying, he gave up |
| 09:40.41 | Mr|Dave | Mandrake installs just fine, btw ;) |
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| 09:40.49 | Guerin | man |
| 09:40.54 | fooz | i dislike debian installers greatly, i usually stick a drive in one of my machines and image/debootstrap it heh :/ |
| 09:40.56 | Guerin | is this thing an old dell or something? |
| 09:41.08 | Mr|Dave | Guerin: yes |
| 09:41.12 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:41.12 | fooz | haha |
| 09:41.14 | Guerin | !win me |
| 09:41.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 09:41.28 | Mr|Dave | quad xeon machine, so i wanted to put it to SOME good use |
| 09:41.39 | Mr|Dave | it's like 5 years old though, and given to me for free |
| 09:41.42 | fooz | ooo, upgrading debian fixed the mouse-in-xterm-in-remote-screen-in-links thing |
| 09:41.43 | RolandU | if I have security and sarge in my sources list, will it ever download anything from security? |
| 09:41.46 | Guerin | yeah, that'd be fun... p3 xeons? |
| 09:41.53 | Mr|Dave | yeah, 550's though, not the fastest |
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| 09:41.56 | fooz | Mr|Dave, nice |
| 09:42.02 | Guerin | still, that's pretty sweet |
| 09:42.04 | fooz | Mr|Dave, compiler box |
| 09:42.22 | fooz | Mr|Dave, parallel compile should be as fast as an athlon or so |
| 09:42.23 | Guerin | you can't smp normal p3s, can you? |
| 09:42.24 | Mr|Dave | the same friend has an exact match to this box, and he runs gentoo just fine |
| 09:42.30 | fooz | Guerin, sure.. |
| 09:42.45 | Mr|Dave | i just don't want to have to recompile apps everytime there's an upgrade... hence debian (and i run debian on other stuff) |
| 09:42.46 | Guerin | fooz: oh, you can? I thought they nipped that in the bud. |
| 09:42.51 | fooz | Guerin, slot and socket P2s/P3s can be SMP'd |
| 09:42.57 | fooz | Guerin, it was P4s they stopped that on |
| 09:43.02 | Guerin | fooz: oh, just the p4s that can't? |
| 09:43.04 | Guerin | sweet |
| 09:43.05 | fooz | yeah |
| 09:43.15 | fooz | the sweetest boards are dual socket P3 boards |
| 09:43.22 | Guerin | I have a couple p3-733s, one of which is about to become unused |
| 09:43.24 | fooz | stick two Tualatins (1.13GHz) on those.. |
| 09:43.36 | Mr|Dave | i wish this motherboard supports >550mhz |
| 09:43.42 | Mr|Dave | but 550's are the max |
| 09:43.51 | Mr|Dave | quad 1ghz p3's are so cheap |
| 09:44.00 | fooz | i have no xeons here :/ |
| 09:44.03 | topa_ | !xml |
| 09:44.03 | dpkg | well, xml is eXtensible Markup Language, and more info can be found at Homepage: http://www.jclark.com/xml/expat.html or There are generally two types of xml parsers: validating and those checking well-formedness. A valid xml document is one that is well-formed, and also complies with SGML conventions. getting bastardised by linux, call the XML-Men ~.linux bleh, or , or s-expressions in drag |
| 09:44.30 | Guerin | now I just need to find me a dual p3 mobo... and probably a new PSU |
| 09:45.20 | fooz | Compaq Prolinea Server 740 with 1 of 2 P2 400s installed. that thing is completely bulletproof, in all meanings of the word |
| 09:45.29 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:45.48 | fooz | and an old DEC Server 3000 dual PPro 200 OC'd to 233. it has EISA slots |
| 09:45.53 | Mr|Dave | yeah, i have an old dual-proc compaq here... old compaq servers are nice |
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| 09:46.18 | fooz | yeah. i love compaq's higher end stuff.. their Deskpro line, their servers, and the Armada laptops |
| 09:46.31 | fooz | all very reliable |
| 09:46.37 | Guerin | I know a guy who bought a pair of cel300As when they were brand new, overclocked them both to 550, and they've been his intranet file/mail/webserver ever since ... stock cooling, still running windows NT4 I think |
| 09:46.48 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:46.50 | Guerin | they just keep going and going and going |
| 09:46.59 | fooz | yeah. intel used to be cool :/ |
| 09:47.12 | Python__ | hi how do i install x11 |
| 09:47.22 | Guerin | Python__: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:47.23 | Python__ | i cant find the name of the package |
| 09:47.42 | Guerin | Python__: finally decided to install a real distro? |
| 09:47.44 | Python__ | thanks |
| 09:47.51 | Python__ | ya |
| 09:48.09 | fooz | OMG.. same ad on two different radio stations.. las vegas radio sucks :( |
| 09:48.13 | Python__ | you all said that it was better so i figured i would give it another shot |
| 09:48.35 | Python__ | i like the sarge installer better |
| 09:48.36 | Mr|Dave | xtreme radio, back while 103.1 was still around, was good |
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| 09:48.45 | Mr|Dave | after 103.1 went away, 107.5 got worse |
| 09:48.53 | Python__ | i can actuly get threw it :) |
| 09:48.58 | Nwallins | i don't see a kernel-headers package that matches my kernel, 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 09:49.12 | Nwallins | sarge |
| 09:49.20 | fooz | Mr|Dave, that must've been before i moved here |
| 09:49.24 | fooz | Mr|Dave, yeah, 107.5 is utter crap |
| 09:49.26 | Guerin | Nwallins: uname -a |
| 09:49.27 | Zap-W | bannas |
| 09:49.32 | Mr|Dave | when did you move to vegas? |
| 09:49.33 | fooz | Mr|Dave, the only good station is the UNLV jazz station |
| 09:49.43 | Nwallins | Linux squeezebox 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:49.51 | fooz | Mr|Dave, september 2003 |
| 09:49.57 | Mr|Dave | yeah, wellll before your time |
| 09:50.00 | Guerin | Nwallins: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 09:50.10 | Mr|Dave | i left vegas in late 2000 |
| 09:50.18 | fooz | i hate it here. |
| 09:50.19 | Nwallins | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 09:50.28 | Guerin | Nwallins: kernel-image-2.4-1-386 is a metapackage which points to the most recent 2.4 series kernel for that arch |
| 09:50.28 | fooz | if there's any tech or geek scene i can't find it |
| 09:50.36 | Guerin | hrm |
| 09:50.40 | Guerin | drop the -1- |
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| 09:50.43 | fooz | despite all the big tech trade shows held here.. |
| 09:50.45 | Mr|Dave | i went to an ultra-nerdy high school |
| 09:50.54 | Mr|Dave | aside from that, there isn't much |
| 09:50.56 | Guerin | or just apt-cache search and look |
| 09:51.04 | Nwallins | 27386? |
| 09:51.07 | fooz | the only lan party place is clear on the other side of the city (i'm in henderson) |
| 09:51.07 | Python__ | nice it is up and running |
| 09:51.13 | Mr|Dave | ouch.. henderson |
| 09:51.14 | chugga | this channel is a jungle |
| 09:51.16 | fooz | yeah |
| 09:51.18 | chugga | its so big and busy |
| 09:51.21 | Mr|Dave | you could always try the lv2600 group |
| 09:51.22 | fooz | chugga, pfft this is nothing |
| 09:51.29 | chugga | fooz, you've seen worser? |
| 09:51.32 | fooz | Mr|Dave, those kinda people scare me, but i'll look into it |
| 09:51.35 | Guerin | just listen to internet radio :) |
| 09:51.42 | Guerin | radioactive.fm |
| 09:51.45 | Mr|Dave | most of them are just programmers, sysadmins |
| 09:51.52 | fooz | chugga, dude it's midnight in the US, and it's friday night the rest of the western world |
| 09:51.56 | fooz | chugga, so it's pretty slow atm |
| 09:52.07 | fooz | Mr|Dave, hehe |
| 09:52.16 | fooz | err wait |
| 09:52.22 | Mr|Dave | as long as you're of drinking age, you'll do fine |
| 09:52.23 | fooz | it's saturday morning, nm |
| 09:52.40 | Python__ | gnight |
| 09:52.43 | fooz | Mr|Dave, i'm of drinking age but i don't drink |
| 09:52.50 | fooz | i miss san diego |
| 09:52.54 | Mr|Dave | heh |
| 09:53.01 | fooz | Mr|Dave, where do you live now? |
| 09:53.10 | Mr|Dave | SD/OC is not my type of area... feels too... white, for lack of a better word |
| 09:53.12 | Mr|Dave | LA |
| 09:53.18 | fooz | hah |
| 09:53.24 | fooz | white? it's pretty mexican |
| 09:53.28 | fooz | Mr|Dave, cool |
| 09:53.37 | fooz | i could stand LA |
| 09:53.51 | Mr|Dave | LA isn't bad, there are better |
| 09:53.53 | fooz | might feel an urge to recreate GTA:SA though |
| 09:54.01 | Mr|Dave | don't matter though... 2 months and I'm off to Tokyo anyway |
| 09:54.06 | fooz | sw33t |
| 09:54.09 | Mr|Dave | (it'd be nice to have this storage server done by then) |
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| 09:54.16 | Nwallins | Guerin: the closest package is kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 which I installed. but module-assistant still can't find the kernel headers.. it's looking for -1-386 |
| 09:54.24 | fooz | i'd love to visit tokyo |
| 09:54.32 | fooz | Mr|Dave, you in the military? |
| 09:54.36 | Mr|Dave | no =) |
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| 09:54.40 | fooz | ok. just like to travel? |
| 09:54.57 | Mr|Dave | tokyo is not my favorite place in japan, but it's nice |
| 09:54.57 | Mr|Dave | mostly just to japan =) |
| 09:54.57 | fooz | cool |
| 09:54.59 | Mr|Dave | might head to europe at some point after summer though |
| 09:55.05 | fooz | i usually want to be anywhere but here |
| 09:55.11 | fooz | here being either the US or Las Vegas |
| 09:55.13 | Mr|Dave | my job is sort of letting me come back when i feel lik |
| 09:55.39 | Mr|Dave | heh, Las Vegas is... well, it's definitely not the place for tech people |
| 09:55.41 | fooz | Guerin, can't listen to internet radio on my cell phone... yet |
| 09:55.51 | fooz | Guerin, was thinking of writing a shoutcast client for Series 60 though |
| 09:56.05 | fooz | Guerin, GPRS can stream 24kbps mp3 stream, no problem |
| 09:56.23 | fooz | Guerin, my phone has an FM radio in it, which is why i mention.. |
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| 09:56.45 | fooz | Mr|Dave, it's not the place for anyone who isn't completely self-absorbed :/ |
| 09:56.54 | IRCAU | would it possible to control the debian net install remotley |
| 09:56.56 | fooz | Mr|Dave, i work at a grocery store atm, so i get to meet everyone who lives here |
| 09:57.02 | IRCAU | e.g. via SSH or VNC? |
| 09:57.29 | markuman | unmount doesn't work |
| 09:57.38 | Mr|Dave | Vegas is the only place more than LA where I've seen people care more about the car you drive instead of the type of person you are |
| 09:57.40 | markuman | unmount /media/cdrom |
| 09:57.41 | drac | markuman: umount |
| 09:57.47 | markuman | hm |
| 09:58.15 | fooz | Mr|Dave, bleh, maybe it's changed in 5 years since you left -- now people only care about how quickly they can kill you with a car |
| 09:58.20 | Mr|Dave | hehe |
| 09:58.23 | La_Tortuga | Ahh, shit. I just Got my X server to startup good but now it is a mess I can't see parts of the login screen and I can't use the mouse becaouse it jumps around the screen. Is ther anyway to shut dwon X server and gnome and get back to the comand line so I can reconfigure? Or will I simply have to reinstsall the system |
| 09:58.24 | fooz | Mr|Dave, everyone's a fscking psycho |
| 09:58.28 | Mr|Dave | that too |
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| 09:58.39 | Mr|Dave | pedestrians have the right of way in California |
| 09:58.43 | drac | La_Tortuga: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 09:58.46 | Mr|Dave | they do (or didn't) in Vegas |
| 09:58.48 | La_Tortuga | Okay ty |
| 09:58.54 | markuman | drac: thx *g* |
| 09:58.59 | drac | heh |
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| 09:59.05 | fooz | Mr|Dave, i'm a pseudo-car-guy though, so I tend to care alot about what people drive :D |
| 09:59.08 | Mr|Dave | hehe |
| 09:59.10 | fooz | Mr|Dave, oh, really? I had no idea |
| 09:59.19 | La_Tortuga | drac: You saved my ass ther |
| 09:59.20 | Mr|Dave | hm, i meant to say "they don't (or didn't) |
| 09:59.21 | fooz | Mr|Dave, i make poeple stop all the time.. working in a parking lot. fuck em :) |
| 09:59.27 | drac | again 'heh' |
| 09:59.28 | Mr|Dave | hehe |
| 09:59.36 | fooz | Mr|Dave, if they hit me at parking lot speeds, they won't kill me.. they'll just really piss me off.. |
| 09:59.59 | Mr|Dave | liking "cars" is ok... but if you won't talk to a person because they don't drive an Escalade.... |
| 10:00.06 | fooz | hah |
| 10:00.07 | IRCAU | http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ |
| 10:00.15 | La_Tortuga | mr dave: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 10:00.16 | fooz | that's wack. |
| 10:00.19 | Mr|Dave | I saw that way too much at UNLV |
| 10:00.21 | IRCAU | where do i tell the sarge netinst cd to install from |
| 10:00.25 | fooz | omg.. at a fucking school? |
| 10:00.27 | IRCAU | on that mirror |
| 10:00.31 | Mr|Dave | Hence I moved to LA... where people are LESS superficial |
| 10:00.31 | fooz | i mean, on the strip I would understand.. |
| 10:00.44 | fooz | that's backwards |
| 10:00.51 | Mr|Dave | you'd think.. |
| 10:00.51 | fooz | i miss california :9 |
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| 10:00.58 | IRCAU | is sarge testing? |
| 10:01.05 | fooz | was so laid back and easygoing in comparison to here |
| 10:01.06 | Mr|Dave | I think you just get more diversity here... you get people like LV, but a ton of other people too |
| 10:01.11 | fooz | yeah |
| 10:01.16 | Mr|Dave | well, SD/OC are definitely for the laid back types |
| 10:01.17 | IRCAU | is it stable |
| 10:01.17 | La_Tortuga | When dos sarge get stable? |
| 10:01.20 | fooz | that also. it's not 90% hicks |
| 10:01.23 | Mr|Dave | heheh |
| 10:01.27 | Mr|Dave | mmm, hicks |
| 10:01.33 | Mr|Dave | i miss boats on lawns |
| 10:01.34 | Zap-W | what's the name of the package that prevents making short password? |
| 10:01.35 | drac | La_Tortuga: /msg dpkg sarge guess |
| 10:01.36 | IRCAU | so why did someone point me to a testing iso :( |
| 10:01.40 | fooz | hehe |
| 10:01.49 | bbrazil | Zap-W: cracklib? |
| 10:02.02 | Zap-W | yea |
| 10:02.03 | La_Tortuga | 6 DAYS AND I INSTALLED WOODY! |
| 10:02.05 | La_Tortuga | DAM ME :p |
| 10:02.05 | Mr|Dave | my best friend in high school... his whole family drove pickup trucks, and they had this massive boat on their lawn, covering the whole front of the house |
| 10:02.09 | Nwallins | how do you find out where a package installs files? such as the kernel-headers package? |
| 10:02.10 | fooz | Mr|Dave, fully 1/3 of the cars here have to be mustangs, and half of them with loud trick mufflers |
| 10:02.18 | bbrazil | Nwallins: dpkg -L |
| 10:02.23 | Mr|Dave | well, yeah... you either drive a mustang or a pickup |
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| 10:02.25 | La_Tortuga | Can you upgrade from sarge to woody? |
| 10:02.31 | fooz | Mr|Dave, haha |
| 10:02.32 | La_Tortuga | No woody to sarge i eman |
| 10:02.35 | La_Tortuga | mean |
| 10:02.50 | bbrazil | La_Tortuga: yip /msg dpkg woody->sarge (IIRC) |
| 10:02.55 | fooz | Mr|Dave, bleh and the friggin soccer moms buying groceries in 4500lb SUVs that they can't park or fit into fewer than 3 parking spaces |
| 10:02.56 | drac | La_Tortuga: that's just a guess, you realize that, don't you? but yes, you can upgrade. |
| 10:02.57 | Mr|Dave | why'd you move to vegas if you hate it? |
| 10:03.01 | Nwallins | bbrazil: i'm looking for the directory in which my kernel headers live |
| 10:03.04 | fooz | Mr|Dave, moved with my family |
| 10:03.13 | Zap-W | hmm no |
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| 10:03.16 | Mr|Dave | ah, sucked into it then |
| 10:03.19 | fooz | Mr|Dave, shouldn't have though |
| 10:03.30 | La_Tortuga | Not painless i think i stick with my Woody for a while :p |
| 10:03.31 | fooz | Mr|Dave, mm yeah, sorta. i had a choice, either way meant sacrificing something |
| 10:03.33 | Zap-W | there is some sort of protection that wont let me choose short passwords , dont have cracklib installed |
| 10:03.34 | Mr|Dave | we have socker moms here too, i love em... they can't see you, and they have no idea how big their car is |
| 10:03.40 | Guerin | Zap-W: it's something like that. pam-cracklib or something |
| 10:03.42 | bbrazil | Nwallins: should be under /lib/modules somewhere |
| 10:03.56 | Nwallins | hmm.. thx |
| 10:03.56 | fooz | Mr|Dave, they need to be classed commercially so normally-licensed folks can't drive them :( |
| 10:03.59 | La_Tortuga | I hate those forced disk cheaks grr |
| 10:04.00 | rhe | Hi ... I got a Debian Sarge box here. mysql server is installed. i want to bind mysql on the lookback interface. Can anyone tell me where i have to insert the --bind-address=127.0.0.1 ? |
| 10:04.01 | Mr|Dave | you could be worse off, and at least you know one city you'll never move back to ;) |
| 10:04.01 | fooz | Mr|Dave, those SUVs are just TOO big |
| 10:04.06 | Mr|Dave | actually fooz, they ARE commercially classed |
| 10:04.08 | Zap-W | Guerin: don thave it.. |
| 10:04.12 | Guerin | fooz: your american suvs are insane |
| 10:04.13 | fooz | Mr|Dave, ? |
| 10:04.14 | Mr|Dave | but no one will do anything about it |
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| 10:04.20 | Mr|Dave | anything over 6000lbs |
| 10:04.26 | fooz | Guerin, they're not mine. i'll have nothing to do with them. |
| 10:04.29 | Mr|Dave | they actually get a tax credit |
| 10:04.36 | fooz | Guerin, i give the drivers dirty looks and use my horn liberally |
| 10:04.36 | berzerka | hello everyone |
| 10:04.36 | Mr|Dave | for driving a commercial vehicle |
| 10:04.37 | La_Tortuga | This channal realy rox if you want help with debian... |
| 10:04.46 | Guerin | my mum drives a honda crv, 2 litre japcar, and that's one of the bigger card on the road in NZ |
| 10:04.52 | Guerin | fooz: yeah, me too. |
| 10:04.54 | fooz | Guerin, awesome |
| 10:04.58 | La_Tortuga | I drive nothing I am 13 :D |
| 10:05.01 | Guerin | fooz: by yours, I mean you americans' |
| 10:05.02 | fooz | i drive a 2100lb 1.6 liter miata |
| 10:05.14 | fooz | 3' tall off the ground |
| 10:05.18 | Mr|Dave | Guerin: I agree, no one in America even sells smaller cars |
| 10:05.27 | Guerin | fooz: biggest car I ever owned was a 1.5 daewoo espero |
| 10:05.43 | fooz | cars that small kinda scare me |
| 10:05.46 | La_Tortuga | Big and fat BMW |
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| 10:05.57 | Guerin | thing was built like a tank though, which is good, saved our arses when some fucking idiot u-turned in front of us in the korean monsoon season |
| 10:05.58 | fooz | but i guess if all cars on the road are that small.. |
| 10:06.04 | galois | ride a bike |
| 10:06.05 | simonrvn | i drive a bike |
| 10:06.08 | l0k3 | how do i update dpkg-query -l ? |
| 10:06.10 | fooz | you can't ride a bike in the US |
| 10:06.13 | fooz | unless you're suicidal |
| 10:06.16 | galois | fooz: why not? |
| 10:06.20 | fooz | galois, where do you live? |
| 10:06.21 | galois | fooz: no legs? |
| 10:06.26 | simonrvn | fooz: or have a handy screwdriver |
| 10:06.32 | Guerin | on account of the 3-ton SUVs everywhere |
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| 10:06.37 | fooz | Guerin, yeh |
| 10:06.45 | galois | Guerin: they hit you and they are at fault |
| 10:06.48 | l0k3 | how do i update the output of dpkg -l or dpkg-query -l ? |
| 10:06.52 | fooz | galois, try: no death wish. sorry, you just wouldn't understand unless you live where I live |
| 10:06.57 | Guerin | galois: but you're dead and they're not. |
| 10:07.13 | Guerin | galois: death trumps law every time, sorry. |
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| 10:07.23 | galois | fair point, they look huge from our car let alone from my bike |
| 10:07.24 | Mr|Dave | I live near UCLA, every so often you see people on bikes, scares the crap out of me, because they have to go by military-grade SUVs driven by a lady with 50lb of groceries in the back |
| 10:07.31 | fooz | galois, I rode a bicycle for over 15 years and a scooter for half a year |
| 10:07.49 | Mr|Dave | ok! |
| 10:07.57 | Mr|Dave | debian 2.6, from the installer cd, recognizes my ide drives |
| 10:08.00 | galois | fooz: cool, I just like the fact that they are generally a lot faster than cars |
| 10:08.03 | rhe | Hi ... I got a Debian Sarge box here. mysql server is installed. i want to bind mysql on the lookback interface. Can anyone tell me where i have to insert the --bind-address=127.0.0.1 ? |
| 10:08.06 | fooz | the scooter was in vegas :) that was scary.. but it's bigger and noisier than a bike, so it's a little less dangerous |
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| 10:08.11 | fooz | galois, err.. what are? |
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| 10:08.21 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: winnah! |
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| 10:08.30 | Mr|Dave | well, i still have to INSTALL 2.6 |
| 10:08.36 | Mr|Dave | but so far, it's doing good |
| 10:08.36 | galois | fooz: bikes (pedal cycles) when going into cities at rush hour |
| 10:08.49 | fooz | bicycles? |
| 10:08.53 | galois | yup |
| 10:08.55 | Mr|Dave | yeah, he's right |
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| 10:09.02 | fooz | well |
| 10:09.02 | Mr|Dave | in LA traffic, you're a boatload faster |
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| 10:09.06 | galois | knocked 20 mins of my journey to work |
| 10:09.12 | Guerin | my uncle is a motorcycle mechanic ... hmm. |
| 10:09.23 | fooz | well when traffic is stopped it's pretty safe to ride a bike -- but that's not how Las Vegas is except on the strip |
| 10:09.31 | galois | generally travel somewhere around 20mph |
| 10:09.41 | fooz | it's 45mph speed limit across town, and most people go 60 |
| 10:09.49 | fooz | there are no shoulders or bike lanes |
| 10:09.57 | fooz | it's sidewalk or certain death |
| 10:09.58 | simonrvn | sick |
| 10:10.11 | fooz | simonrvn, canada right? |
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| 10:10.21 | simonrvn | of course |
| 10:10.27 | galois | and people think that the UK is bad ... |
| 10:10.28 | fooz | i could ride a bike in canada easily |
| 10:10.52 | fooz | US cities just aren't made for pedestrians / bikes / public transportation |
| 10:10.54 | simonrvn | province i'm in has some of the best biking anywhere |
| 10:11.00 | fooz | in Canada or the UK I could get by on bus or subway |
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| 10:11.05 | Guerin | riding bikes around wellington, my home city, eas fine ... except that ~75% of the city is on very steep hills |
| 10:11.14 | Mr|Dave | i miss public transportation that works |
| 10:11.16 | galois | fooz: bus is slower than biking and less fun |
| 10:11.23 | Mr|Dave | fooz: west coast cities aren't, east coast cities are |
| 10:11.26 | simonrvn | Guerin: your legs get to be the size of watermelons ;p |
| 10:11.31 | fooz | Mr|Dave, yeah |
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| 10:11.40 | fooz | galois, less dangerous too |
| 10:11.47 | Mr|Dave | toward the east, pub. transportation is so engrained, that oil corporations can't remove it |
| 10:11.53 | galois | fooz: biking isn't that bad near here |
| 10:11.55 | fooz | Mr|Dave, that's cool |
| 10:11.55 | Mr|Dave | i'm installing 2.6, for those who care ;) |
| 10:12.03 | fooz | galois, where? |
| 10:12.05 | galois | nothing has yet truely tried to kill me |
| 10:12.08 | galois | fooz: uk |
| 10:12.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: I just gave up... spent most of my time walking up hills anyhow :) |
| 10:12.16 | simonrvn | heh |
| 10:12.17 | fooz | galois, oh pfft. no wonder you think biking isn't suicidal |
| 10:12.36 | HiDD3n | anyone familiar with oidentd? |
| 10:12.39 | Mr|Dave | galois: bring your bike around to the west coast of the US for a month or two. if you're still alive, i'll give you a prize ;0 |
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| 10:12.44 | galois | fooz: car drivers aren't really catered for in our cities (to a US extent) |
| 10:12.57 | fooz | galois, yeah, i'll give you a free computer if you survive biking off-sidewalk in Vegas for a week |
| 10:13.00 | galois | as a result you get major speed improvements from cycling |
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| 10:13.19 | fooz | galois, though paying for shipping to the UK would be your problem :D |
| 10:13.21 | mads | !info imlib |
| 10:13.22 | galois | plus not everyone is in an SUV :) |
| 10:13.28 | mads | !info imlib2 |
| 10:13.44 | galois | fooz: hey, I'd already have paid for shippping on the bike! |
| 10:13.46 | fooz | so would shipping your corpse back if you lost to an SUV :) |
| 10:13.55 | Guerin | I blame the artifically low price of evil polluting fossil fuel in the US |
| 10:13.59 | Mr|Dave | what's it like to live in a place without everyone driving an SUV? |
| 10:14.01 | simonrvn | drivers in montreal are crazy though. i hear they're worse in toronto. the bike couriers there, some of them carry screwdrivers to scrape car doors if they get too close... |
| 10:14.04 | fooz | Mr|Dave, it must be nice |
| 10:14.04 | Guerin | what is it? Like $1 per gallon? |
| 10:14.11 | Guerin | what the fuck is THAT shit about... |
| 10:14.19 | fooz | Guerin, uhh no |
| 10:14.23 | fooz | Guerin, $2+ lately |
| 10:14.27 | Guerin | fooz: oh. |
| 10:14.29 | Mr|Dave | here's it's ~USD$2-2.50/gallon |
| 10:14.33 | galois | simonrvn: couriers are a little pyscho |
| 10:14.34 | Mr|Dave | but that's still cheap compared to the rest of the world |
| 10:14.35 | fooz | Guerin, hasn't been $1/gallon in 5 years or so |
| 10:14.38 | fooz | maybe 10 |
| 10:14.39 | simonrvn | it went up since they invaded iraq |
| 10:14.41 | fooz | depends on where you are. |
| 10:14.43 | Guerin | fooz: still, I pay ~US$1 per litre here |
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| 10:14.51 | Guerin | fooz: oh, ok. |
| 10:14.55 | galois | simonrvn: there are videos of their races on the internet |
| 10:14.58 | rab[bit] | you guys are funny. here its 1.5 $ per liter |
| 10:15.00 | galois | scary stuff |
| 10:15.09 | rab[bit] | which is 0,2 galeon |
| 10:15.10 | fooz | in towns in the middle of nowhere with low-grade gas (arizona) it's $.50-$1 cheaper than cities |
| 10:15.12 | simonrvn | galois: some of my friends are. |
| 10:15.33 | Guerin | rab[bit]: yeah, that's rough. |
| 10:15.41 | Mr|Dave | in japan, it's like $4-5/gallon, that blew me away |
| 10:15.44 | Guerin | rab[bit]: europe? |
| 10:15.48 | rab[bit] | jap |
| 10:15.59 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: do the math, that's what $1 per litre is |
| 10:16.01 | simonrvn | here it's about 0.80-0.90$/l |
| 10:16.12 | fooz | what's even scarier is that the big SUVs have 20 gallon+ tanks and get 16 miles to the gallon or so |
| 10:16.15 | galois | modern SUV's are hugely fuel inefficient |
| 10:16.20 | Mr|Dave | well, $1 per litre blows me away too ;) |
| 10:16.22 | simonrvn | i just wish it was higher |
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| 10:16.40 | Mr|Dave | 2.6 booting |
| 10:16.53 | Guerin | heh, back in NZ it's ~ NZ$1.20 per litre - about US$0.80 or so I guess |
| 10:17.00 | Guerin | and people still complain |
| 10:17.10 | Mr|Dave | no matter what the price is, complaining will happen |
| 10:17.21 | mads | !info freemind |
| 10:17.23 | dpkg | freemind: (A Java Program for creating and viewing Mindmaps), section contrib/text, is optional. Version: 0.7.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 604 kB |
| 10:17.30 | fooz | sometimes i wish gas would be $5/gallon here (like racing fuel) so the SUV drivers would get a fucking clue |
| 10:17.31 | Guerin | but the irony was that my mum's big new 2 litre burned about 75% the fule of my '82 1.3 litre mitsi |
| 10:17.31 | galois | just place more tax on it |
| 10:17.36 | Knight_Lord | Guerin 0.8$ compared to us is expensive |
| 10:17.38 | galois | people will drive smaller cars |
| 10:17.38 | fooz | though they probably make enough money that they could afford it |
| 10:17.46 | Mr|Dave | I often have to do 110 miles in a day... that would kill me |
| 10:17.53 | Mr|Dave | maybe trains would get better though |
| 10:18.02 | Knight_Lord | Guerin that should read compared to the US |
| 10:18.02 | fooz | Mr|Dave, oh.. well.. hybrid or something :) |
| 10:18.07 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: yeah, but the US is completely stupid about fuel prices, as we've established. |
| 10:18.07 | rhe | can anyone give me a advice for a good debconf howto ... |
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| 10:18.12 | fooz | Mr|Dave, get some car with 40 mpg |
| 10:18.15 | galois | Mr|Dave: you could then use a hybrid car, train + Taxi, etc |
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| 10:18.23 | Mr|Dave | hybrids are expensive |
| 10:18.24 | fooz | Mr|Dave, like a miata |
| 10:18.30 | Mr|Dave | taxi is even MORE expensive |
| 10:18.38 | Mr|Dave | hybrids aren't useful on freeways either |
| 10:18.39 | galois | Mr|Dave: not compared with $5 a gallon :) |
| 10:18.47 | galois | Mr|Dave: that is crap |
| 10:18.48 | fooz | galois, yeah they are.. |
| 10:18.49 | Mr|Dave | they're good for start/stop driving |
| 10:19.05 | Mr|Dave | the people i know with hybrids only get about 5-10 more mpg than me |
| 10:19.12 | Mr|Dave | which is to say, maybe 35 |
| 10:19.13 | galois | Mr|Dave: they are also good for freeways as the fuel based engine is small and economical |
| 10:19.31 | sussudio | #debian-cars? :-| |
| 10:19.34 | Mr|Dave | hehe |
| 10:19.39 | Guerin | the main reason I'd never buy a hybrid is because I can't maintain it myself |
| 10:19.41 | galois | I know someone with a 3.28 who gets 35mpg |
| 10:19.43 | Knight_Lord | hybrids are economical because you don't use so much gas and you pay a LOT less taxes |
| 10:19.45 | fooz | Guerin, yeah that's what sucks |
| 10:20.07 | Mr|Dave | if the law approving hybrids for carpool lanes passes, i'll buy one |
| 10:20.08 | Guerin | I'm locked into hundreds of dollars a year in service fees, and if something really bad goes wrong out in the backend of nowhere... |
| 10:20.22 | aokaze | I installed vim but I dont have gvim. how do I get gvim? |
| 10:20.31 | fooz | Mr|Dave, it's a silly law, lots of gas engines get better mileage than hybrids |
| 10:20.37 | fooz | Mr|Dave, they should just make it 'over 40mpg' or something |
| 10:20.45 | Mr|Dave | it has to do with pollution |
| 10:20.48 | fooz | instead of limiting it to hybrids |
| 10:20.51 | galois | fooz: in whcih case it shoudl be over 70mpg |
| 10:20.56 | fooz | galois, why? |
| 10:20.58 | Guerin | i'd buy a diesel and run biodiesel in it before anything else, I think |
| 10:20.59 | galois | fooz: that is a good figure |
| 10:21.00 | Mr|Dave | that's why the zero emission vehicles get it |
| 10:21.07 | Mr|Dave | I would like to get a diesel, that might be fun |
| 10:21.08 | galois | fooz: 40mpg is standard/low |
| 10:21.09 | Mr|Dave | get 40-50mpg |
| 10:21.18 | fooz | galois, 40mpg is high. |
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| 10:21.23 | Guerin | especially since my sister is a diesel-engine mechanic :) |
| 10:21.27 | fooz | galois, that's all a hybrid would make at best |
| 10:21.28 | galois | fooz: not in europe |
| 10:21.34 | MarGarina | Why doesn't debian put tools like /sbin/chkconfig and /sbin/service? |
| 10:21.36 | fooz | galois, well, that's europe, this is the US :P |
| 10:21.43 | galois | buy more efficient cars |
| 10:21.50 | fooz | Guerin, i'd love to get a biodiesel car.. thought about it |
| 10:21.53 | Guerin | MarGarina: because they're shitty redhat tools? |
| 10:21.55 | galois | why do you *need* suvs? |
| 10:21.58 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 10:21.58 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat Tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
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| 10:22.02 | fooz | Guerin, it'd be fun to build as well as own |
| 10:22.11 | Guerin | galois: national security |
| 10:22.21 | Guerin | fooz: yeah. |
| 10:22.22 | fooz | galois, I don't |
| 10:22.23 | galois | Guerin: gassing teh terrorists? |
| 10:22.26 | fooz | galois, soccer moms apparently do |
| 10:22.37 | galois | fooz: can't see why |
| 10:22.42 | fooz | galois, their purpose is to take up 2/3 parking spaces, and they couldn't do that with a Ford Focus |
| 10:22.45 | Nwallins | module-assistant isn't finding my kernel headers.. what dir should i specify with the --kernel-dir option? |
| 10:22.47 | MarGarina | Guerin: hehe ok that was informative. (the bot's answer) |
| 10:22.47 | Guerin | I've been travelling too long, I want to settle down... but I've got at least another 3 years before that can happen |
| 10:22.49 | galois | they don't drive their children onto the pitch |
| 10:22.52 | fooz | galois, soccer moms need a purpose, and for that purpose they need an SUV |
| 10:23.00 | Nwallins | running stock 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 10:23.13 | Guerin | !fooz++ |
| 10:23.19 | galois | here kids, lets drive into the woods and play soccer |
| 10:23.38 | Guerin | galois: up mountains - over snowdrifts - through rivers |
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| 10:23.42 | fooz | galois, no. there are no parking spaces in the woods. |
| 10:23.43 | simonrvn | discover > kudzu |
| 10:23.51 | fooz | galois, so they don't go offroading in them |
| 10:23.54 | galois | they shoudl by a smart car or equivalent |
| 10:23.55 | jetscreamer | you forgot the woods |
| 10:24.04 | Mr|Dave | yay... 2.6 is just as bad as 2.4 |
| 10:24.07 | fooz | Mr|Dave, :( |
| 10:24.09 | galois | or for space a prius |
| 10:24.12 | Guerin | heh, actually, I know a guy who made himself a SUV out of an '86 mazda familia |
| 10:24.19 | Mr|Dave | actually.. it's more interesting |
| 10:24.24 | galois | (though stil an SUV at least it is smaller) |
| 10:24.25 | Mr|Dave | 2.6 let's me fdisk to two of my drives |
| 10:24.32 | Mr|Dave | 2.4 doesn't see anything at all |
| 10:24.41 | fooz | galois, there's a huge number of large vehicles on the road. SUVs do tend to be safer (to the occupants) |
| 10:24.41 | Mr|Dave | yet, the installer for 2.4 and 2.6 sees them fine |
| 10:24.58 | Guerin | he took out the 1.6 and put in a 2 litre diesel turbo engine, and put huge-ass wheels on it, and it served as his hunting vehicle for ages |
| 10:25.00 | fooz | galois, so.. if all the hicks and soccer moms get SUVs, then anyone NOT in an SUV is for sure, going to die in any accident they get in.. |
| 10:25.09 | fooz | galois, so THEY have to get SUVs or face certain death |
| 10:25.12 | fooz | galois, etc |
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| 10:25.21 | Guerin | suvs are the new nukes |
| 10:25.25 | Guerin | arms race! |
| 10:25.33 | fooz | :/ |
| 10:25.33 | galois | fooz: not convinced, most of the ones I have seen results for (not many) do comparitively badly in EURO NCAP tests (road saftey/crash tests) |
| 10:25.37 | simonrvn | !suv |
| 10:25.38 | dpkg | it has been said that suv is a Sporty-Death utility vehicle |
| 10:25.42 | Nwallins | my suv has oil slick and smoke screen |
| 10:25.48 | fooz | Nwallins, rofl |
| 10:25.50 | Knight_Lord | fooz that's such a stupid theory |
| 10:25.54 | simonrvn | !suv is also Stupid Urban Vehicle |
| 10:25.54 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 10:25.59 | fooz | Knight_Lord, well.. do you have a better one? |
| 10:26.03 | Guerin | galois: oh yeah, they're not safe. But they are BIG, and that means that if they hit something smaller, they come off pretty well. |
| 10:26.05 | zero | When I 'dpkg -l' I can't seem to see the full package name, is there a way I can see full name of package? |
| 10:26.14 | fooz | Knight_Lord, ask some soccer mom why they drive an SUV instead of the Ford Taurus wagon they drove 5 years ago |
| 10:26.21 | Knight_Lord | fooz you buy it because everyone buys it, and that's enough |
| 10:26.23 | fooz | Knight_Lord, they'll probably say "for safety" |
| 10:26.25 | simonrvn | zero: man dpkg; /COLUMNS |
| 10:26.32 | La_Tortuga | Okay, I need help again... What driveres should you use in the X server configuration if you have a Microsoft USB optical mouse, the mouse jumps around the screen as fats as I pull it to a menu it jumps back to where it first was if I use /dev/input/misc the X server will return a messenge saying that it can't find corepointer , if I chose , And then When gnome starts it dosn't fit into the screen... ANy soulution on this |
| 10:26.33 | Guerin | !suv is also Screw-U Vehicle |
| 10:26.33 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 10:27.07 | fooz | i love my small car. it's slightly wider than a Honda Goldwing motorcycle |
| 10:27.23 | Mr|Dave | oo, oo |
| 10:27.23 | Mr|Dave | ok |
| 10:27.25 | Knight_Lord | you buy it because you want a big car where you can look everyone from the superiority of your seat and maybe feel more secure. Which is a lot different from actually being secure |
| 10:27.27 | Mr|Dave | can anyone help me make new devices |
| 10:27.31 | Mr|Dave | i'm in 2.6 |
| 10:27.37 | Mr|Dave | i need to make hdi* and hdj* |
| 10:27.37 | galois | fooz: cool, wich one? |
| 10:27.38 | zero | thx |
| 10:27.39 | Nwallins | i tried specifying --kernel-dir /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386 to update-modules but it still can't find the kernel headers |
| 10:27.41 | fooz | galois, mazda miata |
| 10:27.42 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave MAKEDEV |
| 10:27.55 | Mr|Dave | how do i use makedev though, can i just do ./MAKEDEV hdi? |
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| 10:27.56 | fooz | galois, probably bigger than funny european cars.. |
| 10:27.58 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave do you need any specific device |
| 10:27.59 | galois | fooz: ah, that is fairly small. Plus a convertable |
| 10:28.05 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave yes you can |
| 10:28.05 | Mr|Dave | i need hdi and hdj, i think |
| 10:28.12 | galois | fooz: nope, middle sized |
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| 10:28.18 | fooz | galois, but i like it. right size for city driving. can sneak past cars before they've finished leaving my lane if I have to |
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| 10:28.27 | galois | fooz: though we are joining the arms race |
| 10:28.28 | fooz | galois, heh, here it's considered 'tiny' |
| 10:28.33 | Mr|Dave | wow |
| 10:28.41 | Mr|Dave | oh man |
| 10:28.49 | fooz | Mr|Dave, ? |
| 10:28.56 | Mr|Dave | i created hdi and hdj, and there are my missing 2 drives |
| 10:29.03 | fooz | Mr|Dave, hehe. in 2.6? |
| 10:29.05 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:29.06 | Mr|Dave | 2.6 saw the first two |
| 10:29.07 | Guerin | nice |
| 10:29.12 | Mr|Dave | and after creating the hd's |
| 10:29.16 | Mr|Dave | it sees the second two |
| 10:29.19 | fooz | heh |
| 10:29.22 | Mr|Dave | i guess i can tell 2.4 to go fuck itself |
| 10:29.25 | Guerin | now the question is ... what package to file a bug against? |
| 10:29.27 | fooz | Mr|Dave, yay! |
| 10:29.29 | Mr|Dave | NOW i need to install the smp kernel and hope THAT works |
| 10:29.36 | Mr|Dave | heh, Guerin ... I haven't the faintest |
| 10:29.36 | Guerin | heheh |
| 10:29.37 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave i find it weird that 2.4 don't see IDE disks |
| 10:29.42 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: nor me. |
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| 10:29.49 | Nwallins | any help trying to find my kernel headers? |
| 10:29.53 | Mr|Dave | I find it weird too, but now that it works, i don't really want to sit and fuck with it |
| 10:29.57 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: they're on addon controllers |
| 10:30.00 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave or do you have some kind of strange machine |
| 10:30.04 | Mr|Dave | I do |
| 10:30.04 | Guerin | he does |
| 10:30.07 | Mr|Dave | It's a 5 year old Dell |
| 10:30.09 | Guerin | it's an old Hell |
| 10:30.09 | Knight_Lord | Guerin even so? Which brand? |
| 10:30.11 | simonrvn | Nwallins: do you have kernel headers to be found? |
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| 10:30.20 | Mr|Dave | It's a quad xeon server box |
| 10:30.21 | fooz | galois, it'd be great to live in europe, i love all the small weird cars over there that never make it over here |
| 10:30.27 | Nwallins | i installed kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:30.30 | Mr|Dave | meant for Win2k and nothing else ;) |
| 10:30.32 | fooz | galois, i'm thinking of buying an MGB or something |
| 10:30.36 | Nwallins | my kernel is 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 10:30.41 | simonrvn | then they should be in /usr/src |
| 10:30.43 | Mr|Dave | ok, i think i need to switch my debian mirror |
| 10:30.43 | galois | fooz: buy a TVR, much more fun |
| 10:30.47 | Nwallins | but that kernel-headers package doesn't exist |
| 10:30.49 | Guerin | Nwallins: apt-cache search kernel-headers |grep 2.4.27 |
| 10:30.52 | Mr|Dave | apt-get has failed on 90% of the packages |
| 10:30.53 | fooz | galois, they aren't over here really.. MGBs are pretty common |
| 10:30.55 | La_Tortuga | OkaY dpkg says that i should use /dev/input/mice and chose a specific protocol (protocol ExplorerPS/2) but i can't chose protocols with those drivers in the configuration program (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
| 10:30.58 | Mr|Dave | (it's installing the base system) |
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| 10:31.04 | Nwallins | Guerin: i've done that. i installed the closest thing |
| 10:31.06 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave which chip in the extra controllers? I have more problems with controllers that don'thave 2.6 but have 2.4 than the other way around |
| 10:31.12 | La_Tortuga | What am I ro do |
| 10:31.12 | Nwallins | which was 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:31.22 | fooz | galois, that's the problem -- lots of cars that don't end up in america for whatever emissions reasons.. despite SUVs seemingly being able to (guess due to the commercial car thing) |
| 10:31.26 | Mr|Dave | I have 2x Promise Ultra100Tx2 cards in there |
| 10:31.28 | Guerin | Nwallins: kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:31.31 | Guerin | Nwallins: ? |
| 10:31.32 | Nwallins | exactly |
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| 10:31.43 | fooz | galois, lots of really neat things, like small displacement turbo cars (the Subaru WRX STi over here has a different engine than the japanese one for instance) |
| 10:31.55 | simonrvn | fooz: vested interests (of course) |
| 10:31.57 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave my last problem was also with a promise card (sata one though) |
| 10:31.58 | Guerin | !apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:32.01 | Guerin | eh |
| 10:32.07 | Guerin | !fine kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:32.12 | Mr|Dave | yeah, the fact is... i have 3 cards, so it means not buying new ones =) |
| 10:32.13 | simonrvn | d |
| 10:32.13 | rovragge | I want to stay with ubuntu with my current packages but use debian sid for everything not already installed from hoary. I started with debian sid and added some hoary pkgs. Those work fine. Future updates for the other pkgs I want from sid for the rest. How? |
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| 10:32.17 | Guerin | !find kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:32.18 | fooz | oddly enough, some big car companies have invested in a sort of open design of mini-car |
| 10:32.20 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-7 (sid), Packaged size: 10777 kB, Installed size: 28976 kB |
| 10:32.21 | fooz | i think called a smart car |
| 10:32.22 | Guerin | i suck |
| 10:32.25 | Guerin | ok |
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| 10:32.34 | fooz | it barely fits one person, and it has a super tiny diesel engine |
| 10:32.41 | fooz | it might be the first car of that style to end up in the US |
| 10:32.42 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave do you know the module for that card in 2.4? |
| 10:32.43 | Guerin | Nwallins: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:32.46 | zero | simonrvn: I have set COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l | grep my_package ... some how it went back to COLUMNS=80 =( help me |
| 10:32.48 | Nwallins | ah thx |
| 10:32.54 | Mr|Dave | it was using 2 different modules, Knight_Lord |
| 10:32.58 | simonrvn | ok, fuck it, back to BGP hacking.. |
| 10:33.03 | Mr|Dave | pdc202xx_new and pdc202xx_old |
| 10:33.03 | fooz | simonrvn, bgp? |
| 10:33.05 | simonrvn | zero: remove the ';' |
| 10:33.05 | Guerin | Nwallins: then remove the -1-386 package once you've booted into the new kernel |
| 10:33.10 | Mr|Dave | (actually, same as their 2.6 names as well) |
| 10:33.10 | simonrvn | fooz: yes |
| 10:33.20 | Nwallins | thanks Guerin |
| 10:33.26 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave and yet they didn't show up in dmesg? |
| 10:33.33 | Mr|Dave | they did |
| 10:33.34 | zero | simonrvn: tried that as well, no use. |
| 10:33.36 | fooz | simonrvn, sucks that it's like $10000 for an ASN |
| 10:33.38 | Mr|Dave | and they were in lsmod |
| 10:33.43 | simonrvn | fooz: as in border gateway proto |
| 10:33.43 | rovragge | zero: remove the ";' |
| 10:33.49 | fooz | simonrvn, i know |
| 10:33.51 | Mr|Dave | but the drives simply wouldn't fdisk/anything |
| 10:33.53 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave i mean the disks. They didn't show up in dmesg? |
| 10:33.56 | Mr|Dave | oh |
| 10:33.58 | Mr|Dave | hm |
| 10:34.05 | simonrvn | fooz: 10 000? ick. i'm currently in reserved space |
| 10:34.11 | fooz | simonrvn, yeah, at least |
| 10:34.12 | Mr|Dave | i believe they did |
| 10:34.25 | La_Tortuga | What X server drivers are to be used for USB mouses? |
| 10:34.28 | simonrvn | fooz: www.occaid.org |
| 10:34.28 | rovragge | zero: otherwise the columns variable is only set for the duration of a command, which stops at ; |
| 10:34.30 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave if they did then i beleive it was more of a userspace problem |
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| 10:34.34 | zero | thx simonrvn and rovragge .. it works like sweet jesus =) |
| 10:34.34 | fooz | simonrvn, yeah, you can use reserved and have your ISP just aggregatethings |
| 10:34.40 | Mr|Dave | my original issue was.. the debian installer, 2.4 and 2.6.. both could recognize all my drives, scsi and ide |
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| 10:34.50 | Mr|Dave | but after installation, neither could see them |
| 10:34.52 | fooz | simonrvn, it'd just be neat to have a public one |
| 10:34.53 | simonrvn | zero: :) |
| 10:35.00 | simonrvn | fooz: yes it would :) |
| 10:35.16 | fooz | simonrvn, hmmm these guys playing with routing stuff? |
| 10:35.22 | Mr|Dave | so your guess of userland IS probably right, but i couldn't figure out how to fix it |
| 10:35.25 | simonrvn | fooz: yup. ipv6 |
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| 10:35.30 | Mr|Dave | however, now it has fixed itself ;) |
| 10:35.37 | Guerin | !tell ElectricElf about root |
| 10:35.39 | fooz | simonrvn, i haven't run ipv6 in a looong time |
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| 10:35.41 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave that's what matters ;-) |
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| 10:36.01 | fooz | for some reason, ipv6 is broken in Xen kernels |
| 10:36.02 | simonrvn | fooz: my connectivity is currently iffy, hence my need to hack it ;) |
| 10:36.08 | Mr|Dave | now i just have to get sw raid up |
| 10:36.13 | fooz | simonrvn, be careful, bgp is dangerous :) |
| 10:36.20 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave i also have a stupid problem of not being able to write lilo or grub boot sector to /dev/sdp and there's not way around it |
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| 10:36.24 | simonrvn | fooz: yah, so i've read |
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| 10:36.37 | Mr|Dave | it just won't let you? |
| 10:36.42 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave you could have made it in the installer it would have been simpler (not that it's much difficult now) |
| 10:36.44 | simonrvn | i need to read more rfcs |
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| 10:37.08 | fooz | simonrvn, i'm a RIP guy :/ |
| 10:37.10 | rovragge | simonrvn: you have your own AS which you can specify peering policies for your transit and peering AS:es with as a private person? |
| 10:37.11 | Mr|Dave | argh, mirrors.kernel.org is NOT a good mirror to use |
| 10:37.12 | fooz | haha |
| 10:37.19 | Mr|Dave | most of the packages are 400 errors |
| 10:37.19 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave with lilo i get Error doing MBR and in grub i gets errors about /dev/sdp has no entry in the BIOS or something like that |
| 10:37.26 | simonrvn | rovragge: yes |
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| 10:37.36 | Mr|Dave | Knight_Lord: funky hard drive? or controller? |
| 10:37.37 | simonrvn | fooz: *nods* |
| 10:37.39 | Guerin | Mr|Dave: ftp.kr.debian.org always gives me ~500K/s |
| 10:37.44 | Guerin | :) |
| 10:37.53 | Mr|Dave | i think you're closer to korea than I am ;) |
| 10:38.01 | Mr|Dave | i'm gonna switch to us |
| 10:38.01 | Guerin | that's very likely |
| 10:38.02 | fooz | simonrvn, i wish i had access to lots of network gear and connections |
| 10:38.10 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave controller is quite fine. The problem is that the device is too high. If it was sda i'm quite sure it would work |
| 10:38.10 | fooz | simonrvn, it's so fun to play with. especially wireless |
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| 10:38.27 | fooz | simonrvn, i wish I could hack GSM like I could hack 802.11b |
| 10:38.27 | Mr|Dave | why is it so high then? |
| 10:38.36 | Mr|Dave | you have that many controllers? |
| 10:38.39 | simonrvn | fooz: i just have a really tolerant isp. allowed servers. as long as i behave within reason i'm ok (i would anyway) |
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| 10:38.44 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave i have 16 disks |
| 10:38.46 | Mr|Dave | (as if i should complain, seeing as how mine go up to hdp) |
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| 10:39.04 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh. My isp isn't permissive; just clueless. |
| 10:39.07 | Mr|Dave | so why do you need lilo or grub to write to that disk? |
| 10:39.09 | La_Tortuga | O am having problems with xserver/debian dpkg says that if I have a usb mouse I should use /dev/input/mice as X server driver and chose a specific protocol (protocol ExplorerPS/2) but i can't chose protocols with those drivers in the configuration program (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) what am I to do? |
| 10:39.21 | simonrvn | Guerin: mine is very clueful (thankk $deities) |
| 10:39.28 | Mr|Dave | if you have 16 disks, wouldn't it be good to put the MBR on disk 1? ;) |
| 10:39.32 | fooz | simonrvn, i have Cox@Home, they block lots of outgoing ports (including ones needed for IRC DCC!!!1) and all the important incoming ones |
| 10:39.37 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave exactly because this is an external SCSI disk for ease of exchange while the other 15 are a RAID array |
| 10:39.40 | Quinn_Storm | La_Tortuga, my suggestion is to directly edit your XF86Config-4 |
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| 10:39.41 | zulkifar | hi |
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| 10:39.46 | Mr|Dave | ahhh |
| 10:39.47 | fooz | simonrvn, it's full of crap, i should change ISPs |
| 10:39.54 | Mr|Dave | that makes some sense |
| 10:40.01 | Mr|Dave | can't you switch around the order the drives are recognized? |
| 10:40.02 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 10:40.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. All my http:// is logged through their proxy, though... so I use a lot of ssh and proxying. |
| 10:40.03 | La_Tortuga | quinn_storm how do I do that |
| 10:40.06 | simonrvn | La_Tortuga: yes you can. do dpkg-reconfigure debconf, set it to low, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
| 10:40.13 | veleno | where do I choose a window manager for fluxbox ? |
| 10:40.16 | simonrvn | Guerin: eew |
| 10:40.18 | Quinn_Storm | La_Tortuga, looks like simonrvn had the answer |
| 10:40.25 | Guerin | veleno: fluxbox IS a wondowmanager |
| 10:40.26 | Quinn_Storm | veleno, fluxbox is a window manager, last I heard |
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| 10:40.34 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave the trick is that i have 2 64bit PCI slots for my 2 array controllers and no more so i can't change the RAId controllers out of place |
| 10:40.35 | sussudio | well, when you choose an ISP which sounds like someone's wang, you know what you're in for. |
| 10:40.36 | La_Tortuga | simonrvn how to set it to low i saw the command onece but forgot it |
| 10:40.43 | Quinn_Storm | La_Tortuga, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 10:40.45 | Mr|Dave | ah, that does pose a problem |
| 10:40.47 | simonrvn | La_Tortuga: i just told you how |
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| 10:40.55 | La_Tortuga | k |
| 10:40.55 | fooz | simonrvn, something I would play with if I had more machines to break would be IPsec and VPNs |
| 10:41.00 | fooz | simonrvn, and distributed file systems/sharing |
| 10:41.13 | Dogers | is it possible to create /dev entries manually? |
| 10:41.18 | zero | simonrvn: I am trying to force-remove a deb package, but I can't seem to remove it =( dpkg --force-all -r my_packagen_name |
| 10:41.20 | fooz | Dogers, mknod |
| 10:41.22 | simonrvn | fooz: yeh. i'm thinking of doing vpn some time in the near future |
| 10:41.23 | veleno | ops, sorry i posted the wrong question. then: how do I setup keyboard-shortcut for fluxbox? |
| 10:41.27 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. Mandatory signup one day; all in korean, no login/pass given, no signup form, no contact info. My boss had to call them on the phone and register from another computer to make it work, because it was all activex |
| 10:41.28 | Dogers | ta |
| 10:41.30 | zulkifar | Is there a winex debian package? I killed 2 days trying to run CVS winex but, the hell, it don't want to work and crashes on simple notepad.exe |
| 10:41.35 | La_Tortuga | Oh no |
| 10:41.37 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave so what i'm doing not instead of cramming in an IDE disk and using it as the OS disk, and when it fails i have an exact mirror of it right next to the server so it's just poping up the case, switch disks and we're back in service |
| 10:41.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: no notice. |
| 10:41.40 | simonrvn | zero: do that and break shit for sure |
| 10:41.50 | La_Tortuga | my keybord stoped working now I have tor einstallke evrything FUUUCK |
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| 10:41.53 | simonrvn | Guerin: mother fucker |
| 10:41.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: so I just proxied all my http through texas :) |
| 10:41.55 | veleno | zulkifar: why do you need winex for editing files ? |
| 10:42.00 | doleyb | zulkifar: For $15 you can buy a winex deb from transgaming.com |
| 10:42.00 | La_Tortuga | sorry for swearing |
| 10:42.04 | simonrvn | Guerin: hahaha |
| 10:42.04 | jenipapo | When installing linux graphical part for the forst time, we have to choose between LCD display or CRT. How to change this setting after installation? |
| 10:42.22 | simonrvn | La_Tortuga: no, kill x |
| 10:42.24 | zulkifar | veleno: I dont' need winex to edit files |
| 10:42.31 | zulkifar | doleyb: because I have no way to pay |
| 10:42.41 | Mr|Dave | Knight_Lord: that makes sense... though couldn't you just put /boot on one drive, and then have the OS on sdp? |
| 10:42.49 | zulkifar | Is there a debian winex package? |
| 10:42.57 | fooz | zulkifar, winex is non-free, and the latest CVS versions available don't work right |
| 10:43.06 | Guerin | zulkifar: winex is proprietary payware. What do you think? |
| 10:43.07 | zinx | zulkifar: winex can't be legally packaged in most countries |
| 10:43.07 | veleno | zulkifar: did you search for it at www.apt-get.org ? |
| 10:43.10 | fooz | zulkifar, they haven't released the source to Cedega yet |
| 10:43.11 | La_Tortuga | simo: how? |
| 10:43.17 | La_Tortuga | But X diden't start |
| 10:43.22 | La_Tortuga | It error |
| 10:43.24 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave yes i could but then i would have 2 disks that could fail and screw me up |
| 10:43.31 | La_Tortuga | So somthing else happend |
| 10:43.34 | simonrvn | La_Tortuga: talking to me? |
| 10:43.40 | La_Tortuga | No |
| 10:43.43 | La_Tortuga | Never mind |
| 10:43.51 | La_Tortuga | or yes |
| 10:44.00 | rovragge | jenipapo: isnt LCD or CRT setting only important for which font aliasing method to use? |
| 10:44.00 | Mr|Dave | well ok... i got it, raid1 2 ide drives and put /boot on both of them ;) |
| 10:44.02 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave i even though about having the OS disk on a USB pen ;-) |
| 10:44.03 | fooz | they don't even say how to download WineX source on their website anymore. they're probably preparing to go full closed source |
| 10:44.09 | Guerin | !confuse La_Tortuga |
| 10:44.09 | dpkg | Yes, them was my snake tomorrow, La_Tortuga? breeches of the republic of belarus with extra cream |
| 10:44.17 | simonrvn | !confuse me |
| 10:44.18 | dpkg | Yes, those was my gerbil yesterday, simonrvn? pants of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 10:44.23 | rovragge | jenipapo: "dpkg --reconfigure fontconfig" maybe |
| 10:44.30 | La_Tortuga | Never mind |
| 10:44.37 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 10:44.37 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave yes something like that would be the good solutino and is somewhat what i'm going to have for the next server |
| 10:44.38 | La_Tortuga | Somethings wrong with viritual PC |
| 10:44.41 | Mr|Dave | Knight_Lord: what about a bootable cdrom? that boots straight to your drive... then you don't have to worry about it crapping out |
| 10:45.01 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave that's a solution but i would need a cdrom then |
| 10:45.04 | Mr|Dave | hehe |
| 10:45.05 | Mr|Dave | oh |
| 10:45.06 | Mr|Dave | no cdrom |
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| 10:45.11 | zulkifar | fooz, Guerin, zinx: winex CVS != what cedega distribute? |
| 10:45.19 | fooz | zulkifar, no. |
| 10:45.31 | zinx | zulkifar: no, and they don't want people distributing compiled versions of winex CVS either |
| 10:45.32 | Guerin | zulkifar: you think they charge all that money just for compiling it? |
| 10:45.36 | simonrvn | anyway, need to fix this |
| 10:45.39 | fooz | zulkifar, Cedega is WineX 4.x, which is not available in source form |
| 10:45.39 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave for the next one i'll buy 13x300GB disks and 2x400 and use a RAID 5 of 15x300 and a RAID1 of 2x100 for the OS |
| 10:45.46 | zulkifar | Guerin: actually, YES |
| 10:45.55 | Guerin | zulkifar: *bzzzzt* wrong |
| 10:45.56 | fooz | Guerin, they used to. |
| 10:45.58 | fooz | Guerin, not anymore. |
| 10:45.59 | Mr|Dave | or just get something with more than 2x 64bit slots? |
| 10:45.59 | zinx | zulkifar: they've said they would change the license if anyone did, so you can pretty much consider the license to forbid redistribution :/ |
| 10:46.06 | hipp | anyone got a vectrex? |
| 10:46.31 | Mr|Dave | Knight_Lord: what do you store on those drives anyway? |
| 10:46.36 | fooz | Mr|Dave, poooorn |
| 10:46.39 | Guerin | well, as I understand it, there's always been proprietary DRM code in the for-pay version that wasn't in the cvs... |
| 10:46.46 | zinx | fooz: no, they've _never_ provided the version they give as binary, in source form |
| 10:46.46 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave computer simulations |
| 10:46.50 | Mr|Dave | well, i store porn on my drives, but i only have ~1.5TB |
| 10:46.55 | Mr|Dave | simulations of porn? ;) |
| 10:46.58 | Knight_Lord | lol |
| 10:47.01 | fooz | zinx, maybe not exactly, but the CVS stuff played games just fine |
| 10:47.03 | Knight_Lord | molecular dynamics |
| 10:47.03 | zinx | fooz: various DRM stuff, and i suspect tons of other stuff due to how badly winex runs from source :) |
| 10:47.05 | hipp | haha keep dreaming |
| 10:47.12 | Knight_Lord | gromacs.org |
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| 10:47.29 | Guerin | ah, why are computer geeks so obsessed with porn? |
| 10:47.33 | Knight_Lord | www.gromacs.org actually |
| 10:47.34 | Guerin | you lame bastards. |
| 10:47.37 | fooz | Guerin, because it's funny |
| 10:47.40 | zinx | Guerin: 'cause they can't get any |
| 10:47.50 | Guerin | I choose to believe zinx |
| 10:47.52 | Mr|Dave | yeah, gromacs.org didn't work, checking www. though |
| 10:47.56 | hipp | what is it? |
| 10:48.00 | Mr|Dave | actually, i get stuff, and i still enjoy porn |
| 10:48.02 | fooz | wine can't play crap |
| 10:48.08 | Mr|Dave | it's just entertainment, like anything else |
| 10:48.08 | fooz | :/ |
| 10:48.12 | Knight_Lord | yup |
| 10:48.14 | zulkifar | I still don't understand - what is Winex CVS? |
| 10:48.22 | Guerin | porn has its place, but jesus, people obsess about it |
| 10:48.28 | fooz | Guerin, you seem obsessed |
| 10:48.35 | Guerin | zulkifar: cedega - all the good stuff |
| 10:48.36 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin, that will happen when society makes something taboo |
| 10:48.45 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave what do you think of the favicon? Just changed this week |
| 10:48.46 | fooz | Guerin, not cedega |
| 10:48.47 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: I guess so. |
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| 10:49.01 | fooz | Guerin, Cedega source is not available yet. they claim CVS is getting in the way and they haven't fixed it yet |
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| 10:49.15 | Guerin | fooz: actually, since cedega is built from the winex cvs + other stuff, my statement is correct :) |
| 10:49.21 | hipp | nearly 1000 ppl in here!!! |
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| 10:49.30 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin, personally I find the little bit I've ever seen to be boring...movies with no plot and terrible acting (yeah why would I want to watch that?) and pictures...eh...big deal, I'll stick with my girlfriend, thanks |
| 10:49.34 | fooz | Guerin, show me then. i'd love to get my hands on cedega for free.. |
| 10:49.36 | zulkifar | Guerin: actually, I can make me to try to pay for software :) But its so unnatural when you use Free GNU Platform :) |
| 10:49.50 | Knight_Lord | hipp actually it's me and 800 clones plus a few more actual people |
| 10:50.07 | hipp | Knight_Lord, hahaha |
| 10:50.10 | Knight_Lord | Quinn_Storm the fundamental differences between sex |
| 10:50.11 | Guerin | zulkifar: I don't have a problem with paying money for software; I have a problem with paying money and not being able to do wtf I like with it. |
| 10:50.20 | doleyb | fooz: transgaming has licensed various things in cedega they're not allowed to give out free. |
| 10:50.20 | Quinn_Storm | Knight_Lord, huh? |
| 10:50.24 | Mr|Dave | Knight_Lord: not bad. i'm totally clueless as to what your software does though ;) are you based at a uni or something? |
| 10:50.27 | hipp | Knight_Lord, nope they have different IP's |
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| 10:50.45 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave yea Uppsala University sweden |
| 10:51.06 | hipp | Knight_Lord, did u say uppsala? |
| 10:51.10 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: yeah. My wife has a vague interest in porn, so we do that whole couple-porn thing occasionally, but it's mostly just comedy :) |
| 10:51.17 | zulkifar | Guerin: same actually. The last for which I paid was Opera several years ago. Despite its not so configurabe as opensource :) |
| 10:51.18 | Knight_Lord | Quinn_Storm females don't like as much porn as males |
| 10:51.25 | Guerin | ah, fuck opera |
| 10:51.31 | Guerin | fucking adware |
| 10:51.33 | Knight_Lord | hipp i did |
| 10:51.38 | zulkifar | Guerin: yep :) |
| 10:51.39 | Guerin | fie upon its head! |
| 10:51.43 | hipp | Knight_Lord, my dyndns site is called uppsala lol |
| 10:51.43 | fooz | you guys aren't listening.. |
| 10:51.52 | Knight_Lord | hipp lol |
| 10:51.53 | fooz | cvs.transgaming.org's latest winex version is 3.2-ish |
| 10:52.01 | Quinn_Storm | Knight_Lord, only because females are taught that in this culture female sexuality is taboo, most women I know like porn more than me. Trust me, gender differences are very important to me as a trans-woman |
| 10:52.01 | Mr|Dave | Knight_Lord: so what is this software for. as in... what can you do with it? |
| 10:52.06 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave basically it simulates the movement of atoms using classical dynamics |
| 10:52.06 | fooz | Cedega's up to 4.2.1 |
| 10:52.09 | hipp | Knight_Lord, its norse mythology, the temple uppsala |
| 10:52.14 | Guerin | fooz: so? You're saying 4.x is a clean-room rewrite? |
| 10:52.17 | fooz | unless there is some other place to get WineX source that is not 2 years old.. |
| 10:52.22 | fooz | then it's not available |
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| 10:52.31 | topa_ | !cedega |
| 10:52.31 | dpkg | i guess cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a closed-source fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or http://timedoctor.org/boycott_winex.php, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 10:52.41 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave so you can simulate systems a lot bigger than what you can do with quantum mechanics, but not so accurately |
| 10:52.49 | Mr|Dave | hm |
| 10:52.50 | fooz | Guerin, no, I'm saying they haven't given out source for it. |
| 10:52.51 | Guerin | fooz: I said "cedega - all the good stuff" ... which is demonstrably correct, fsvo good :) |
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| 10:52.56 | topa_ | can cedega play HL2 ? |
| 10:53.00 | Mr|Dave | so you can handle bigger stuff, but not as perfect? |
| 10:53.01 | Guerin | - in this case meaning 'minus' |
| 10:53.01 | fooz | Guerin, winex CVS doesn't even run. it crashes. |
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| 10:53.03 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave we mostly simulate proteins with a few thousand atoms |
| 10:53.09 | Mr|Dave | hmm |
| 10:53.14 | Mr|Dave | well it *sounds* interesting |
| 10:53.14 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave yes |
| 10:53.16 | Guerin | fooz: lack of good stuff in a program can cause that |
| 10:53.21 | fooz | ... |
| 10:53.25 | zulkifar | Ok, back to CVSs winex. Did anyone manage to built it and run? I see what dpkg knows about it and think my problems far way from that. I can't run anything |
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| 10:53.34 | fooz | zulkifar, It builds, it doesn't run, don't bother. |
| 10:53.34 | Mr|Dave | I'm afraid that a major of philosophy doesn't prepare you for biosciences ;) |
| 10:53.45 | Knight_Lord | Mr|Dave we're going to have one our guys running it in Thunder cluster in LLNL |
| 10:53.48 | topa_ | fooz can it run Half Life 2 ? |
| 10:53.56 | fooz | Guerin, it's not Cedega. WineX CVS is code dating from before they renamed WineX to Cedega. |
| 10:53.57 | Mr|Dave | oh wow, cool |
| 10:54.03 | fooz | topa_, it can't run at all. |
| 10:54.04 | zulkifar | fooz: fine. Time to deposit some money on my VISA :) |
| 10:54.04 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin, yeah if there was going to be any porn in my relationship we'd be making it (girlfriend has an interest in that sort of thing, not sure myself). oh and for those who were paying attention yes I am female and yes I have a girlfriend. |
| 10:54.08 | Knight_Lord | http://www.llnl.gov/linux/thunder/ |
| 10:54.12 | Guerin | fooz: you have me on THAT technicality... |
| 10:54.16 | Mr|Dave | yeah, i know about llnl |
| 10:54.21 | doleyb | zulkifar: What do you want to run? I have cedega, but it can't do win32 science stuff. |
| 10:54.23 | Mr|Dave | UCLA runs it |
| 10:54.26 | fooz | Guerin, you can check ViewCVS, it's all dated from 2 years ago |
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| 10:54.35 | zulkifar | doleyb: winxp's notepad.exe |
| 10:54.38 | Guerin | fooz: dude, I was being a smartarse... |
| 10:54.51 | zulkifar | doleyb: and want to run all the games of course :) |
| 10:54.51 | fooz | Guerin, transgaming.org's news entries say 'Cedega 4.xxx binaries now available at transgaming.com!' and there's no mention of CVS updates. |
| 10:54.51 | doleyb | zulkifar: Can't normal wine do that?? |
| 10:55.09 | zulkifar | doleyb: debian's wine work perfecty |
| 10:55.21 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: heh. we're both too vain to make porn involving us... though I am a reasonable photographer. |
| 10:55.36 | Guerin | and I went to film school for 4 years |
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| 10:55.56 | fooz | i personally won't pay for incremental updates to something free software developers spent years on and got ripped off for |
| 10:56.08 | Quinn_Storm | heh, I should try running wine, I'm running debian on colinux (user-mode linux for windows) on winxp |
| 10:56.13 | Guerin | and we have a common friend with a (failed) film production company called "Guaranteed Cumshot Productions" |
| 10:56.22 | fooz | Guerin, haha |
| 10:56.26 | doleyb | fooz: if they didn't want to be ripped off, they should've used gpl. |
| 10:56.28 | Quinn_Storm | Guerin, lol |
| 10:56.33 | zulkifar | doleyb: so you legal transgamer? Would you answer some questions then? |
| 10:56.35 | fooz | doleyb, yeah, i guess |
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| 10:56.52 | doleyb | zulkifar: yes I bought the cedega.deb in a legal way. |
| 10:56.53 | fooz | didn't they switch? or are they still on the same licenses? |
| 10:56.58 | zinx | doleyb: aye, and they found that out the hard way :) |
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| 10:57.18 | zinx | fooz: they switched |
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| 10:57.22 | frop | hallo |
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| 10:57.52 | fooz | the problem with GPL is that it stops a company like transgaming but not so evil from profiting from wine while also helping it out |
| 10:57.57 | fooz | or i should say, more like Corel |
| 10:58.03 | frop | someone has "seen" some problem with debian/ubuntu installer on "installing core packages..."? |
| 10:58.23 | Guerin | frop: which one? Debian or ubuntu? |
| 10:58.25 | fooz | and maybe I should say, "profiting in theory", cause all the wine-based stuff from corel didn't really work right or sell :) |
| 10:58.37 | frop | Guerin: on different hw...all of two |
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| 10:58.57 | frop | now...ubuntu |
| 10:58.59 | Quinn_Storm | fooz, how does the GPL stop profit? you have to distribute the source for free (make download available, etc.) but lots of people would pay for binaries, shiny installers, support, etc. (heck even source on CD for those not blessed w/ broadband) |
| 10:59.04 | takatumi | fooz: so which license do you recommend? or what amendments to the existing ones? |
| 10:59.05 | Guerin | frop: normally with a debian installer, it comes from a bad mirror, or an out-of-date installer |
| 10:59.30 | frop | grr...i've downloaded latest ubuntu "unstable" cd |
| 10:59.36 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, it stops them from using things like closed DRM bits that they've licensed from Safedisc or whatever |
| 10:59.46 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, which are needed to play some games |
| 10:59.50 | Quinn_Storm | fooz, then isn't that safedisc's problem? |
| 10:59.53 | doleyb | Quinn_Storm: GPL means that you must allow everyone to spread those binaries. There won't be *much* profit. |
| 10:59.54 | frop | Guerin: do you know a workaroud? |
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| 11:00.00 | takatumi | frop: try booting with linux26 from d-i |
| 11:00.23 | frop | takatumi: don't think that there's that possibility |
| 11:00.32 | lpb-oberon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.33 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, nah, it's the (transgaming-like company)'s and the user's problem: they have no working product to use or sell. |
| 11:00.33 | h|barbobot | theres no profit from the software itself but the support for the software is an opportunity for profit |
| 11:00.34 | frop | ...with ubuntu |
| 11:00.43 | Quinn_Storm | well personally I use cracks to circumvent safedisc and stuff anyway...its my software, I bought it, I should be allowed to play it without the disc |
| 11:01.04 | Quinn_Storm | or more specifically with the disc sitting in the cd rack |
| 11:01.15 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, most people don't know what a crack is, where to get it, or how to use it. they just want to play their games (which they bought and should be allowed to play :P) |
| 11:01.48 | fooz | the best solution would be to have friggin linux ports of things |
| 11:01.51 | fooz | oh well. |
| 11:01.53 | frop | takatumi: btw...ubuntu boot a 2.6 |
| 11:01.57 | Quinn_Storm | fooz, licensing safedisc and such only supports the problem though, paying these companies makes them stronger (voting with dollars, etc.) |
| 11:02.13 | takatumi | frop: for ubuntu problems try #ubuntu |
| 11:02.13 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, the 3 people who will play the game under linux don't count for very many dollar votes... |
| 11:02.27 | fooz | excuse my exaggeration |
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| 11:02.30 | frop | takatumi: no help there.... |
| 11:02.31 | frop | :) |
| 11:02.36 | mh_le | does anyone know how to enable syntax highlighting in auctex? |
| 11:02.51 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, the only time voting in such a way has ever worked is when TurboTax went WAY too far with their DRM |
| 11:02.52 | Quinn_Storm | fooz, but transgaming buying the license does |
| 11:02.58 | frop | ...btw, i'm here cause i've already seen this with debian-sarge-installer |
| 11:03.11 | frop | ...and two completely different machine |
| 11:03.24 | takatumi | frop: then work with the d-i and try #debian-boot |
| 11:03.36 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, heh, safedisc et al could really care less about one company |
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| 11:03.50 | Knight_Lord | frop what's the problem? |
| 11:03.55 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 11:04.04 | frop | takatumi: mmm...don't know how to "work" with d-i...btw...il' try that channel |
| 11:04.53 | frop | Knight_Lord: well installation locks on 33% "installing core package..." |
| 11:04.57 | Zrin | hi, I'm installing debian with ASUS A7V880 with SATA RAID1, but it shows me two hard drives in the list. RAID array is already configured. What does that mean? |
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| 11:05.37 | fooz | Zrin, it means you're probably using an SATA driver that doesn't support RAID, and sees them as two separate disks.. |
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| 11:06.02 | fooz | Zrin, tried googling with that chipset for more info? |
| 11:06.06 | Zrin | fooz - what shall I do? I already started install on the first HD |
| 11:06.09 | fooz | hrm |
| 11:06.16 | fooz | might or might not corrupt something |
| 11:06.31 | fooz | anything important on those disks? |
| 11:06.35 | La_Tortuga | How to make the X server configuration program ask for which protocol to be used when chosing to use the /dev/input/misc drivers |
| 11:06.39 | Zrin | I can mirror the disk afterwards ... ok - no, new disks |
| 11:06.40 | Knight_Lord | frop did you chech the md5 sum of your download? |
| 11:07.09 | fooz | Zrin, ok. try letting it finish and see what happens then. linux may just not support the RAID bit, and might see them as discrete disks |
| 11:07.13 | frop | Knight_Lord: i've tried to check cd with internal utility... |
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| 11:07.25 | frop | ...btw it doesn't find any error |
| 11:07.29 | fooz | Zrin, linux has software RAID you can use instead (though i have no idea if debian can install into a software raid) |
| 11:07.33 | takatumi | frop: which iso is this? link? |
| 11:07.39 | frop | mmm |
| 11:07.48 | Zrin | fooz: how can I check afterwards if the hardware RAID is used? |
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| 11:08.11 | fooz | Zrin, use a tool like cmp on the disks.. or even see if it boots.. what kind of raid did you set? raid1? |
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| 11:08.21 | PlanarPlatypus | fooz: fyi you can install to software RAID |
| 11:08.22 | Zrin | fooz: yes, raid1 |
| 11:08.24 | rhe | Hi .. does anyone know where i can find the sasl2 config file (smtpd.conf?) in debian sarge ? |
| 11:08.29 | fooz | PlanarPlatypus, ok |
| 11:08.36 | Zrin | fooz: is it ok to change the driver after installing? |
| 11:08.56 | fooz | Zrin, ehh, no idea, it might cause things to get all corrupt |
| 11:09.00 | fooz | depends on the driver |
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| 11:09.14 | Nwallins | hmm.. after apt-get install kernel-image 2.4.27-2-386 and reboot, uname -r is still 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 11:09.16 | Zrin | hmm, ok, let's see |
| 11:09.32 | fooz | i always use software raid.. don't trust hardware raid much |
| 11:09.34 | h|barbobot | if im using an nvidia video card do i need drm in the kernel? |
| 11:09.38 | fooz | different format for every controller |
| 11:09.48 | frop | takatumi: ftp://ftp.ukc.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/hoary/array-3/hoary-install-i386.iso |
| 11:09.51 | frop | think this one |
| 11:09.57 | quitte | when starting etc/init.d/dbus-1 i get a warning about hal:hald.c:302:Your kernel doesn not support capabilities; some features will not available. |
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| 11:10.06 | quitte | what features could that be? |
| 11:10.17 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, did you enable LSM but not enable the Capabilities LSM? |
| 11:10.20 | fooz | oops |
| 11:10.31 | quitte | me? |
| 11:10.32 | fooz | quitte, yes |
| 11:10.46 | Knight_Lord | frop md5sum is the way to go |
| 11:10.51 | takatumi | frop: like I said go to #ubuntu for ubuntu help |
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| 11:11.29 | frop | takatumi: sure... |
| 11:11.40 | phw | ndiswrapper is installed without a problem but after compiling the kernel module for it i cant load it (modprobe ndiswrapper - module ndiswrapper not found) i am running sarge and the module seems to be installed under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc/ndiswrapper.ko) |
| 11:11.41 | takatumi | frop: or else /msg dpkg d-i and get a newer sarge d-i |
| 11:11.43 | frop | ...but...i've already said...there's no help there |
| 11:11.54 | quitte | fooz in security options? |
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| 11:11.58 | fooz | quitte, yep |
| 11:12.02 | frop | takatumi thk |
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| 11:12.54 | quitte | fooz i have enable different security modules and default linux capabilities as a module. is that what you've been asking? |
| 11:12.58 | phw | why does debian not load that module? |
| 11:13.03 | fooz | quitte, yes |
| 11:13.07 | fooz | quitte, you must load the module |
| 11:13.17 | fooz | quitte, a lot of things simply won't work without capabilities |
| 11:13.31 | fooz | quitte, like zebra/quagga, and apparently debus |
| 11:13.34 | fooz | dbus even |
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| 11:14.05 | quitte | fooz ok the warning disappeared |
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| 11:14.18 | Nwallins | what's the next step after apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386? i used to run -1-386.. and after a reboot, I still am according to uname |
| 11:14.31 | Nara | help: how can I configure postfix to deliver fqdn to cyrus? |
| 11:14.41 | La_Tortuga | How to make the X server configuration program ask for which protocol to be used when chosing to use the /dev/input/misc drivers |
| 11:14.51 | takatumi | Nwallins: grub or lilo? |
| 11:14.55 | Nwallins | lilo |
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| 11:15.17 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins check where /vmlinuz links to |
| 11:15.18 | Nwallins | i answered 'no' to all the boot block questions |
| 11:15.29 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins ah that might be the problem |
| 11:15.40 | takatumi | Nwallins: sarge? |
| 11:15.55 | Nwallins | vmlinus points to -2-386.. takatumi: yes |
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| 11:16.03 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins run lilo |
| 11:16.06 | Nwallins | s/linus/linuz/ |
| 11:16.37 | Nwallins | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 11:16.39 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.58 | Nwallins | Added Linux |
| 11:16.59 | Nwallins | Added LinuxOLD |
| 11:17.01 | Nwallins | Added Windows * |
| 11:17.09 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins looks fine |
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| 11:17.20 | Nwallins | so init 6? |
| 11:17.24 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins yea |
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| 11:17.52 | Nwallins | thx.. also, briefly, how can I get lilo.conf to give me a boot menu w/out pressing [alt]? |
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| 11:18.08 | Ivanos | Hello to all |
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| 11:18.24 | fooz | Nwallins, put option 'prompt' in lilo.conf |
| 11:18.25 | takatumi | Nwallins: get grub ;) |
| 11:18.28 | fooz | Nwallins, and rerun lilo of course. |
| 11:18.39 | fooz | Nwallins, `man lilo.conf' |
| 11:18.41 | Nwallins | fooz: thanks takatumi: heh |
| 11:19.01 | Ivanos | I have hardware raid controller,and how to install Debian 3.1 in raid1 mode? (I have 2 hd of 120 gb) |
| 11:19.34 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos if it's hardware RAID you wan't Debian doesn't need to know anything about it |
| 11:19.50 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos everything is handled at the software level |
| 11:20.01 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos Debian will only see 1 disk |
| 11:20.10 | fooz | if it's truly hardware RAID :) |
| 11:20.17 | Knight_Lord | of course |
| 11:20.19 | fooz | if it's all this Promise bullshit then it might not :) |
| 11:20.22 | Ivanos | Knight_Lord: When I start instalation I see 2 disk |
| 11:20.40 | TheArtist | anyone know why im getting this error "Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure."?? |
| 11:20.44 | Ivanos | Yes, I have Promise controller |
| 11:20.47 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos have you configured the BIOS of your RAID controller to make 1 RAID array with 2 disks |
| 11:20.52 | fooz | Ivanos, you're having the same problem as Zrin is |
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| 11:21.00 | veleno | is sylpheed able to import contacts from kmail address book ? |
| 11:21.03 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos i thought we were talking hardware raid here :-P |
| 11:21.07 | fooz | Knight_Lord, the cheap RAID chips in motherboards are software RAID with a BIOS frontend |
| 11:21.33 | fooz | Ivanos, probably your best bet is to remove the Promise RAID and install in a linux software raid |
| 11:21.39 | fooz | Ivanos, or google for more help |
| 11:21.46 | Knight_Lord | fooz no need to remove the card |
| 11:21.51 | Knight_Lord | jsut use JBOD mode |
| 11:21.53 | Ivanos | hm |
| 11:21.57 | fooz | Knight_Lord, that's what i said |
| 11:22.05 | Knight_Lord | ah ok |
| 11:22.07 | Knight_Lord | i agree |
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| 11:22.20 | fooz | Ivanos, if you remove the RAID configuration and leave it unconfigured, it will just appear as independent disks |
| 11:22.29 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos use linux software raid, it's better |
| 11:22.31 | Ivanos | fooz: But I wont real hardware radi-1 mode, not software...etc... |
| 11:22.44 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos then buy a 3ware card |
| 11:22.45 | fooz | Ivanos, you don't have hardware RAID, though -- a hardware RAID card costs $300+ |
| 11:22.55 | fooz | Ivanos, you have a cheap software RAID that pretends to be hardware RAID |
| 11:23.00 | fooz | Ivanos, the RAID happens in the drivers. |
| 11:23.12 | simonrvn | La_Tortuga: don't do that |
| 11:23.15 | TheArtist | anyone know why im getting this error "Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure." when running lilo? |
| 11:23.28 | fooz | TheArtist, you need to remove devfs from your kernel |
| 11:23.28 | simonrvn | TheArtist: devfs crap |
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| 11:23.34 | Quinn_Storm | question, for future reference, anyone know anything about the KT7A-Raid motherboard? is it hardware or software? I think its hardware but I don't know, never used it for raid so far, eventually will |
| 11:23.39 | Ivanos | fooz: I try with software radi-1 mod, and not work. |
| 11:23.43 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos meaning that if the boot sector of your OS goes to hell your "Hardware RAID" will fail miserably |
| 11:23.54 | TheArtist | fooz, simonrvn, ahh yes! thanks guys |
| 11:23.59 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, probably software. google for the chipset it has |
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| 11:24.08 | TheArtist | fooz, simonrvn, so devfs is dead and buried? |
| 11:24.14 | Knight_Lord | Quinn_Storm i'll bet it's software |
| 11:24.15 | fooz | TheArtist, yeah |
| 11:24.19 | Ivanos | fooz: Problem is when I try boot system with software radi-1 mode...btw when try boot in raid-0 mode work. |
| 11:24.23 | fooz | TheArtist, deprecated in 2.6 |
| 11:24.30 | TheArtist | ok thanks again... |
| 11:24.44 | Quinn_Storm | Well all I know is it has its own two ide channels, and needs a special driver to show up at all... |
| 11:24.44 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos use debian installer and install RAID 1 with linux software raid. It works fine |
| 11:24.45 | fooz | Ivanos, well.. i can't help you with the debian installer problems really, i haven't ever used it :) |
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| 11:25.02 | fooz | Quinn_Storm, which driver? |
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| 11:25.06 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos i have used debian installer to do raid 5 on a LOT of disks and it works fine |
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| 11:25.24 | fooz | my disks die left and right, I wish I had lots of them |
| 11:25.27 | Quinn_Storm | hang on |
| 11:25.32 | Ivanos | Knight_Lord: Ok, My first step is turn off mirror in bios? |
| 11:25.37 | fooz | I've got a killer SCSI card, and only one disk to put on it :) |
| 11:25.37 | TheArtist | does anyone know why winex cvs tells me "cvs server: cannot find module `wine' - ignored" ?? |
| 11:25.45 | fooz | TheArtist, ugh, you too? |
| 11:25.56 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos yes |
| 11:25.58 | fooz | TheArtist, are you using winex CVS or the old sourceforge one? |
| 11:26.08 | fooz | TheArtist, the sourceforge one has been canned. try transgaming.org |
| 11:26.09 | TheArtist | yup, and it sucks cos i dont even have it installed at all |
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| 11:26.11 | Knight_Lord | Ivanos got to run sorry :-/ |
| 11:26.19 | fooz | TheArtist, better yet, don't -- there's only an archaic version there and it doesn't work at all. |
| 11:26.26 | TheArtist | fooz, ahh right, ill try that, thought it was the same one |
| 11:26.28 | TheArtist | lol |
| 11:26.29 | jiohdi | question: is there a linux way to take every file in a single directory and rename them by adding something to all of them at once? |
| 11:26.51 | Quinn_Storm | found the chipset, its a highpoint HPT-370 I think |
| 11:26.54 | fooz | jiohdi, shell scripting + the find command, or mmv |
| 11:27.09 | Knight_Lord | Quinn_Storm soft |
| 11:27.11 | fooz | yeah |
| 11:27.15 | TheArtist | fooz, so what to do now? just use cedega? |
| 11:27.18 | Quinn_Storm | Knight_Lord, okay, figured it probably was |
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| 11:27.32 | fooz | TheArtist, yeah, if you feel like supporting a lame company and/or playing games under linux :) |
| 11:27.36 | jiohdi | fooz, I dont have a command mmv |
| 11:27.46 | fooz | jiohdi, that's why you have apt-get to install it. |
| 11:27.53 | jiohdi | ah |
| 11:29.00 | fooz | that's so cool. Beneath A Steel Sky is in Debian |
| 11:29.04 | TheArtist | fooz, hehe yeah fraid so man, i need my games. I used to run a few quite nicely and now more games have native support. |
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| 11:29.19 | Quinn_Storm | fooz, yeah I played beneath a steel sky a long while back, it was decent |
| 11:29.29 | jiohdi | fooz, got it, thanks |
| 11:29.33 | TheArtist | fooz, so look for a winex binary or is cedega capable of everything winex could do? |
| 11:29.40 | fooz | jiohdi, it's funny to use, read the manual thoroughly |
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| 11:29.56 | fooz | TheArtist, winex became Cedega when 4.x came out |
| 11:29.58 | jiohdi | reading now |
| 11:30.02 | fooz | TheArtist, you cannot find free binaries of either |
| 11:30.07 | fooz | TheArtist, you have to buy Cedega from transgaming.com |
| 11:30.27 | TheArtist | fooz, you mean i cant find free bins of cedega? |
| 11:30.30 | Nwallins | hmm.. i need the linux-wlan-ng-module package, which only seems to exist for 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 11:30.37 | fooz | TheArtist, not legally, no. |
| 11:30.41 | doleyb | jiohdi: for i in *;do mv $i prefix_$i;done |
| 11:31.11 | fooz | Nwallins, you'll have to build it for your kernel (with kernel-package) |
| 11:31.15 | fooz | TheArtist, i guess. |
| 11:31.28 | Nwallins | hmm.. new territory.. is there a good reference out there? |
| 11:31.36 | fooz | i don't have cedega or any pay version of winex. |
| 11:32.04 | fooz | Nwallins, nah. they force you into using make-kpkg to build the kernel and modules, or scripting your own way out of it (by knowing how debian packages are built) |
| 11:32.10 | fooz | Nwallins, good luck :/ |
| 11:32.23 | fooz | Nwallins, are you sure you need linux-wlan-ng? it's rather evil. what chipset is your wireless card? |
| 11:32.30 | Nwallins | prism2 usb |
| 11:32.36 | fooz | shit, use HostAP |
| 11:32.40 | TheArtist | fooz, well i used to have both, the binary version would run some things that the source wouldnt and vice versa |
| 11:32.48 | Nwallins | fooz: heard it's not usb compatible |
| 11:32.58 | fooz | Nwallins, i think it is, but i have no USB toys to test with |
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| 11:33.18 | fooz | maybe it isn't. i have no idea |
| 11:33.21 | Nwallins | what's the deal with linux-wlan-ng? |
| 11:33.27 | Nwallins | no one likes it |
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| 11:33.38 | fooz | Nwallins, it doesn't work like a normal network driver at all. |
| 11:33.40 | Nwallins | (not sure i do, so far.. but it was working fine under -1-386 |
| 11:33.50 | fooz | Nwallins, you can't just 'ifconfig xxxY up' with it |
| 11:34.05 | fooz | Nwallins, they're trying to outsmart linux with scripting and private APIs and it just makes things a pain |
| 11:34.18 | Nwallins | ah.. thanks |
| 11:34.24 | TheArtist | fooz, oh well im off to fiddle thanks alot for the answers, had been looking for them in uncertainty for a while now |
| 11:34.27 | fooz | Nwallins, hmm, apparently USB isn't supported by hostap. bummer |
| 11:34.31 | fooz | Nwallins, try googling for some USB drivers. |
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| 11:34.39 | fooz | TheArtist, np |
| 11:34.45 | Nwallins | that's how i found linux-wlan-ng |
| 11:34.49 | fooz | Nwallins, ah :( |
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| 11:35.07 | Nwallins | a little more can't hurt.. |
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| 11:36.42 | drac | I'm having problem with my 640x480 mode. It gets all fucked up. If somebody here is running Doom 3, I would appereciate DoomConfig.cfg what starts Doom 3 with higher mode, like 800x600 -> |
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| 11:38.43 | fooz | Nwallins, apparently the linux-wlan-ng driver isn't very good anyway |
| 11:38.53 | fooz | Nwallins, sucks that there's no good usb linux-supported wireless cards |
| 11:38.56 | fairway | fooz: how come? |
| 11:39.13 | ravn | I want to change filesystem on /var which was prev. the same as / to a new partition. How is the best way to do this in? Can I just copy the files on /var to my new partition, delete the old ones and reboot with new /etc/fstab entry or do I have to do anything else? |
| 11:39.17 | fooz | fairway, i keep reading that it either doesn't work, or kills nearby 802.11b networks :) |
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| 11:39.39 | fairway | fooz: do you know any good linux tool that can spoof wireless lan networks? |
| 11:39.46 | fooz | fairway, 'spoof' in what way? |
| 11:39.50 | fairway | detect |
| 11:39.59 | Galleck192 | could anyone let me know the main differances between knopix and debian, other than the fact that it's a live cd? |
| 11:40.11 | fooz | i don't see how that's spoofing. you don't need any tools to detect them, the wireless card will connect to nearby networks on its own |
| 11:40.12 | Nwallins | my problem is that module-assistant required the kernel headers which required -2-386, but wlan-ng is only available for -1-386 |
| 11:40.24 | Nwallins | >| |
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| 11:40.46 | fairway | fooz: I would like to see which nearby networks are available |
| 11:41.00 | fooz | fairway, i like kismet |
| 11:41.15 | fooz | haven't gone wardriving in a long time though |
| 11:41.16 | fairway | ok |
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| 11:41.23 | bbrazil | Galleck192: debian is better and has security support |
| 11:42.16 | Galleck192 | bbrazil: Cheers, was thinking of changing but wondered about the hardware support |
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| 11:43.00 | rafx | Galleck192: not all debian branches have security support (yet). |
| 11:43.02 | pingouin_ | firefox crashed again... |
| 11:43.20 | bbrazil | Galleck192: what are you currently using and in what role? |
| 11:43.30 | Galleck192 | rafx: home PC/server |
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| 11:44.11 | Galleck192 | it'd be a web/ftp/icecast server |
| 11:44.21 | Galleck192 | as well as home use |
| 11:44.24 | rafx | apache1 or apache2? |
| 11:44.37 | Galleck192 | apache2 |
| 11:45.13 | zinx | are you just saying that becuase it's a higher number? |
| 11:46.11 | rafx | debian sarge with apache2 and vsftpd is a great choice for that. it will become stable soon (no specific dates but some people are hinting at 1st half of 2005). |
| 11:46.46 | zinx | the same people who were hinting at last part of 2004? :) |
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| 11:47.18 | Mr|Dave | how can i force a package to re-run its configuration (specifically irqbalance) |
| 11:47.24 | Galleck192 | I'll look into that, apart from the security whata re the major differances? |
| 11:47.59 | rafx | Galleck192: don't forget to look here http://www.wolffelaar.nl/~sarge/ if you are using sarge. |
| 11:48.33 | mlewis00 | Mr|Dave: dpkg-reconfigure irqbalance |
| 11:49.04 | Galleck192 | cheers |
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| 11:49.11 | Mr|Dave | aha! |
| 11:49.12 | Mr|Dave | thank you |
| 11:49.14 | mlewis00 | Mr|Dave: Works for most packages |
| 11:49.18 | Mr|Dave | it worked perfectly |
| 11:49.26 | mlewis00 | :) |
| 11:49.32 | Mr|Dave | i was pushing buttons too fast the first time around, as usual |
| 11:49.59 | Mr|Dave | now time to reboot and see if SMP works |
| 11:50.39 | jiohdi | fooz.... I read the manual... which is in greco-sumerian algerba, btw, and I got the from part down... mmv -r ";*.xyz" but the to part is mystifying me.... I want to rename ever file in one directory by adding the date to the front of it like 012005 |
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| 11:51.43 | bbrazil | rename 's/^/012005/' * |
| 11:52.50 | jiohdi | bbrazil, that did not work |
| 11:53.08 | vchrizz | could anybody help me? im using proftpd v.1.2.10 with this config: http://www.pastebin.com/232019 but its not possible to do any fxp operation |
| 11:53.31 | bbrazil | jiohdi: works fine here - I assume they aren't dotfiles? |
| 11:54.09 | jiohdi | bbrazil, sorry, noob error, it works now |
| 11:54.35 | jiohdi | bbrazil, I assumed you were giving me the answer to my question, by giving me what to put at the end of the mmv command line |
| 11:54.48 | bbrazil | jiohdi: aaah |
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| 11:56.07 | maurer | hi |
| 11:56.21 | bbrazil | vchrizz: netstat -nlp | grep 21 |
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| 11:56.57 | maurer | ich nutze eine 108mbit wireless lan karte mit madwifi treibern unter kernel 2.6.10. wenn ich mit iwconfig mir die infos für die karte ausgeben habe steht da aber nut 54 mbit.. |
| 11:57.04 | maurer | warum? |
| 11:57.14 | adaran | hello everyone. i have a raid-1 array, of which one disk broke while the array wasn't up - now at boot time, the faulty disk is tried for 2 minutes before it fails and the raid comes up with one disk - how can i change the information on the second disk, so that i have only once device in the raid? |
| 11:57.17 | bbrazil | !german |
| 11:57.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 11:57.50 | Mr|Dave | bloody hell |
| 11:58.00 | Mr|Dave | my stupid machine is recognizing my controller cards 2x |
| 11:58.16 | Rawplayer | maybe you have 2 controllers |
| 11:58.22 | Mr|Dave | i do |
| 11:58.28 | Mr|Dave | but each time, both controllers recognize each other |
| 11:58.37 | Mr|Dave | so i have 4 ide drives, but 8 show up |
| 11:58.53 | ouznext | jiohdi: man rename |
| 11:58.57 | Mr|Dave | it's never done this before just now ;) |
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| 11:59.34 | vchrizz | bbrazil: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 17240/proftpd: (acc |
| 11:59.58 | bbrazil | vchrizz: are you able to login to it? and is that all of your config? |
| 12:00.16 | vchrizz | yup, everything works fine, just fxp doesnt work |
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| 12:01.20 | bbrazil | vchrizz: took fxp to be a misspelling of ftp. upon googleing thats probably a security feature |
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| 12:01.57 | jiohdi | bbrazil, can I use that same trick to remove part in bulk too? |
| 12:02.04 | vchrizz | bbrazil: ya, but if you want to use it, you have to enable it, and i enabled it in the config |
| 12:02.21 | zulkifar | When I run X and get this non-fatal error" "(EE) VIA(0): [drm] drmAgpAcquire failed 1023". What does this mean and can it affect performance? :) |
| 12:02.21 | marcot | Hello, how do I set my system to try to use pt_BR, and if it do not found the translation, search for another language, like de, instead of using the default C? |
| 12:02.22 | CAiRO | is there a free program to create pdf files with forms? |
| 12:02.38 | jiohdi | ouznext, If I could decipher those man's I would not be asking questions here |
| 12:02.46 | bbrazil | jiohdi: arbritary perl expression - uses $_ |
| 12:02.48 | Rawplayer | vchrizz: search on google for fxp and proftpd |
| 12:02.54 | Rawplayer | you need change some stuff |
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| 12:02.59 | marcot | CAiRO: doesn't OpenOffice do this? |
| 12:03.08 | jiohdi | bbrazil, that really means nothing to me at all |
| 12:03.09 | vchrizz | Rawplayer: im googling the whole day already :P |
| 12:03.49 | marcot | I mean, is there a way to make a ordered list of languages that the system may try to search the programs translations? |
| 12:03.49 | Rawplayer | o |
| 12:03.53 | CAiRO | marcel: hmm, i didn't think openoffice had forms, but i'll check it |
| 12:04.07 | bbrazil | jiohdi: in general 's/meh//' will remove the first 'meh' |
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| 12:04.41 | bbrazil | vchrizz: could it be that your ftp server is only bound to localhost? |
| 12:04.47 | jiohdi | bbrazo, the first? what do you mean, the first in each file or the first it encounters? |
| 12:05.03 | bbrazil | jiohdi: in each filename |
| 12:05.22 | bbrazil | jiohdi: it applies whatever experssion to each filename you give it |
| 12:05.28 | jiohdi | bbrazil, am I assuming correctly that is with rename also? |
| 12:05.42 | bbrazil | jiohdi: I'm only referring to rename |
| 12:05.53 | bbrazil | jiohdi: I've only heard rumours of mmv |
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| 12:06.14 | jiohdi | bbrazil, I got mmv, but it seems backwards to me, the man made little sense |
| 12:07.07 | ouznext | jiohdi: this is common for any tool using regexpr |
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| 12:07.39 | jiohdi | ouznext, I am very new to linux and unix.... regexpr means what? |
| 12:07.59 | CAiRO | marcot: heh, i can create forms with oo, but when exporting them as pdf, oo makes an image out of them |
| 12:08.31 | ouznext | regexp stands for Regular Expressions |
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| 12:08.54 | bbrazil | jiohdi: regular experssions. man 7 regex (although those are POSIX rather than Perl regexes) |
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| 12:09.48 | vchrizz | Rawplayer: google.com/search?q=fxp+proftpd+1.2.10+not+-nat |
| 12:09.51 | vchrizz | bbrazil: http://www.pastebin.com/232028 |
| 12:09.59 | jiohdi | bbrazil, one day I will speak hackerese |
| 12:10.15 | ouznext | jiohdi: see man grep, look for regular expression section for example (easier that regex(7)) |
| 12:10.44 | hdkiller | bbrazil, AllowUserFXP, AllowAnonymousFXP |
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| 12:11.38 | bbrazil | vchrizz: ^^ think that was meant for you |
| 12:11.55 | vchrizz | uhm... mom ill check |
| 12:11.55 | hdkiller | bbrazil, AllowForeignAddress |
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| 12:12.13 | hdkiller | excuse me, AllowUserFXP for pureftpd ;) |
| 12:12.16 | vchrizz | hdkiller: ive got the problem, not bbrazil :P |
| 12:12.28 | hdkiller | You need AllowForeignAddress Yes or something like this |
| 12:12.36 | vchrizz | hdkiller see http://www.pastebin.com/232028 |
| 12:12.59 | jiohdi | thanks for the help....later |
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| 12:13.38 | hdkiller | AllowForeignAddress on |
| 12:13.45 | hdkiller | that's that |
| 12:13.53 | vchrizz | ya, and its not working! :) |
| 12:14.09 | vchrizz | and i dont know why, thats why im asking ;) |
| 12:14.13 | hdkiller | maybe try Yes |
| 12:14.33 | vchrizz | proftpd.org says, it must be <on|off> but ill try ... |
| 12:14.38 | hdkiller | hm |
| 12:14.41 | hdkiller | then never mind |
| 12:14.50 | hdkiller | i hate to ask, but you have been restarted the service right? |
| 12:14.51 | honschu | How to show the timing-values of the grafic-card (hsync/vsync...) ? |
| 12:14.51 | hdkiller | ;] |
| 12:15.56 | hdkiller | honschu, "get-edid|parse-edid" ? |
| 12:16.50 | hdkiller | (read-edid package) |
| 12:17.05 | hdkiller | but it's about pnp monitors |
| 12:17.15 | honschu | thx hdkiller |
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| 12:17.32 | hdkiller | the output is great for copypast into xconfig |
| 12:17.48 | vchrizz | hdkiller: sure... /etc/init.d/proftpd start/stop |
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| 12:17.55 | hdkiller | strange |
| 12:17.58 | hdkiller | anything in logs? |
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| 12:19.06 | hdkiller | active upload also works fine? |
| 12:19.16 | hdkiller | (maybe a bogus firewall?) |
| 12:20.04 | vchrizz | hdkiller: if i use AllowForeignAddress Yes (instead of on) i get [L] 425 Transfers to 3rd party addresses are not supported. |
| 12:20.33 | hdkiller | if it On, then it's simply don't work (tm) ? |
| 12:20.37 | OVERCRAFT | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.44 | OVERCRAFT | argh, sorry |
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| 12:23.45 | honschu | is there a good tool to measure hsync / vsync timing ? |
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| 12:24.43 | rafx | i'm doing a remote upgrade of woody->sarge via ssh...during the apt-get dist-upgrade, the screen goes entirely blue (blank). what can i do besides ctrl-c? |
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| 12:25.29 | Rawplayer | rafx: connect with a new session to it |
| 12:25.45 | Rawplayer | and check what apt-get dist-upgrade is doing |
| 12:25.57 | az[a]zel | heh, BSOD |
| 12:28.09 | rafx | Rawplayer: thanks, pretty cool how the screen content shows up in ps |
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| 12:30.37 | rafx | i tried pressing ENTER but the blue screen is still there. seems to be stuck on a simple warning message according to ps (so ENTER is the only option). anything else i can try? |
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| 12:32.23 | kaiowa | ther are something as gkrellm but in karamba or superkaramba? where i can mount devices?? |
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| 12:32.25 | Quinn_Storm | rafx, have you tried suspending and then fg-ing the app? if it won't take control-z, you can sigstop and sigcont it... |
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| 12:33.15 | rafx | great idea! i shouldn't talk to others or touch the computer before i have coffee at 6:30am...ugh |
| 12:33.25 | vchrizz | hum proftpd -nd 9 > proftpd.debug9.log doesnt work? it prints everthing to stderr, but nothing to the file... ? |
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| 12:33.37 | mh_le | how do I set up my printer in sarge? |
| 12:33.39 | Quinn_Storm | rafx, caffeine good. |
| 12:33.58 | rafx | yea, i'm addicted |
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| 12:34.47 | Rawplayer | o really? |
| 12:34.58 | Rawplayer | you are the only person on the world |
| 12:35.03 | rafx | ctrl-z didn't work. i'm going to grab some coffee before typing in any pid. thanks for the workaround (hope it works) |
| 12:35.04 | Rawplayer | thats addicted to coffee |
| 12:35.13 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 12:35.20 | rafx | lmso |
| 12:35.24 | Quinn_Storm | rafx, not sure if it will, never had that problem, thought it might kick the app into gear though |
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| 12:36.02 | TheTom | is there a tool for recovering accidentally rm'ed files on a reiserfs partition? |
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| 12:36.46 | rafx | strangely, the menus have been getting stuck in odd places recently (past 2 days). i've don't this upgrade before with no probs. i'm doing repeated upgrades from woody->sarge to test post-upgrade setup scripts |
| 12:37.08 | rafx | s/don't this upgrade/done this ugrade |
| 12:37.14 | bbrazil | vchrizz: add a 2>&1 in there before the > |
| 12:37.17 | rafx | brb |
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| 12:38.18 | zulkifar | Why glxgear works 4-5 times faster under root then under an ordinary user? For user it also produces an error messae 'AllocateDmaBuffer fail' |
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| 12:40.14 | Sir_Edward | Hi! |
| 12:40.19 | bbrazil | zulkifar: dma means the processor doesn't have to get involved with memory transfers between say RAM and GPU (other than setting them up), hence speedu[ |
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| 12:40.41 | bbrazil | zulkifar: as a general, rather than a specific naswer |
| 12:40.44 | bbrazil | *answer |
| 12:40.55 | Sir_Edward | Have anybody experience with coLinux? |
| 12:41.03 | Quinn_Storm | Sir_Edward, I'm running it now myself |
| 12:41.21 | zulkifar | bbrazil: ok, this is clear. but how this could depend on user? :) |
| 12:41.21 | Sir_Edward | How can I start coLinux on Windows? |
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| 12:41.34 | Quinn_Storm | Sir_Edward, can you be more specific? |
| 12:41.35 | bbrazil | zulkifar: I'm guessing that you need root to mess with memory like that |
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| 12:42.07 | Sir_Edward | I installed coLinux as service: "C:\Programme\coLinux\colinux-daemon.exe" --run-service "coLinux" -d -c "default.colinux.xml" |
| 12:42.12 | Deufo | hey ppl, i just did a installation and when i tried to start x server, it says no screen found |
| 12:42.28 | dur | is there a guide on the net that I can refer to on how to get debian working on my pc via gnome? |
| 12:42.41 | Quinn_Storm | Sir_Edward, well you can either use net start or the services control panel |
| 12:42.49 | Shay | Sir_Edward; this isn't the coLinux channel |
| 12:42.54 | Sir_Edward | If I tried to start coLinux: net start "coLinux" |
| 12:43.07 | Sir_Edward | I get an error: |
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| 12:43.18 | Quinn_Storm | ah, the service is called "cooperative linux" not "colinux" |
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| 12:43.25 | Sir_Edward | coLinux konnte nicht gestartet werden. |
| 12:43.25 | Sir_Edward | Ein Systemfehler ist aufgetreten. |
| 12:43.25 | Sir_Edward | Systemfehler 1067 aufgetreten. |
| 12:43.25 | Sir_Edward | Der Prozess wurde unerwartet beendet. |
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| 12:43.36 | Sir_Edward | Error: 1067 |
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| 12:43.47 | Quinn_Storm | Sir_Edward, ah, the service is called "cooperative linux" not "colinux" |
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| 12:44.02 | Nagytalop | re |
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| 12:44.12 | Sir_Edward | I installed it as "coLinux": |
| 12:44.21 | Quinn_Storm | then I don't know as I can't read german |
| 12:44.24 | Sir_Edward | "C:\Programme\coLinux\colinux-daemon.exe" --run-service "coLinux" -d -c "default.colinux.xml" |
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| 12:45.19 | Sir_Edward | So the service is called "colinux" |
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| 12:45.48 | Quinn_Storm | Sir_Edward, as I said I can't help, I can't read german, and also this is #debian so I suggest you take this to the colinux channel (see colinux.org for more info) |
| 12:45.53 | Zrin | I have found the driver for the SATA RAID1 controller where I want to install debian. How can I load the driver module during the install process? I'm installing sarge with 2.4 kernel from netinst. |
| 12:46.05 | kreon | Sir_Edward: i can read german |
| 12:46.18 | mh_le | how do I install a network printer? |
| 12:46.30 | Shay | reading the documentation |
| 12:46.41 | Sir_Edward | Translation: cooperative linux: system error 1067 |
| 12:46.47 | Shay | mh_le; network with wich operating systems? |
| 12:47.04 | kreon | Sir_Edward: :) |
| 12:47.12 | mh_le | Shay, the printer is connected directly to the network |
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| 12:47.44 | Shay | mh_le; and wich protocol does it use? wich printer is that? |
| 12:47.44 | rafx | dammit, i forgot its saturday (no coffee downstairs--stores open later). noooooooo!!!! |
| 12:47.44 | Nagytalop | i have got only one que. I wanna xconfigure my 2.6.8 kernel. what qt devel packages needed for me under sarge? :) |
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| 12:48.08 | mh_le | Shay, tcp/ip it's a HP 2200DN |
| 12:48.13 | Sir_Edward | I the wiki of coLinux found I no help. |
| 12:48.18 | Shay | mh_le; using HP JetDirect? |
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| 12:48.26 | mh_le | Shay, yeah |
| 12:48.51 | Shay | mh_le; give me a seccond |
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| 12:49.41 | Shay | mh_le; Okay, you can do it wich CUPS. |
| 12:50.10 | mlewis00 | Deufo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and pick some better options / correct video card, etc. |
| 12:50.26 | mlewis00 | Oh well... |
| 12:50.29 | mh_le | Shay, can I use dpkg to configure it? |
| 12:50.44 | Shay | mh_le; just install CUPS, it has a web interface to configure printers |
| 12:51.06 | mh_le | Shay, nice, what's the url? |
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| 12:51.19 | Shay | mh_le; apt-get install cupsys |
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| 12:51.30 | Shay | mh_le; then point your browser to http://localhost:631/ |
| 12:51.32 | Zrin | how can I add a module (a driver) to the sarge 2.4 netinst CD? |
| 12:52.25 | Shay | Zrin; hmm, you mean loading a module in the netinst, or adding a module that does not comes with the disc? |
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| 12:52.59 | Nagytalop | use anybody geforce Ti4200 card with sarge??? |
| 12:52.59 | Zrin | Shay: I need to load the SATA RAID driver in order to install debian into it |
| 12:53.20 | Shay | Zrin; hm, sec |
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| 12:53.21 | Zrin | Shay: the module does not come with the disc, I'll have to compile it myself |
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| 12:54.04 | Nagytalop | .ping |
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| 12:54.52 | Shay | Zrin; http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-Debian.htm |
| 12:54.59 | Zrin | Shay: thx! |
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| 12:55.46 | Shay | Zrin; http://public.www.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-netinst/kveton/ -> Here's a netinst ready for SATA RAID, but it's woody.. just do a clean install and then dist-upgrade |
| 12:55.50 | mh_le | Shay, thanks for the info :) btw. what is a URI? |
| 12:57.31 | Shay | mh_le; The generic set of all names and addresses which are short strings which refer to objects (typically on the Internet). The most common kinds of URI are URLs and relative URLs |
| 12:58.15 | Zrin | Shay: what do you suggest - to use woody installer or to try to adapt the sarge installer? can the sarge installer read a driver / module from a floppy disk? |
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| 12:58.44 | Shay | Zrin; of course, you can do that from the shell (just CRTL + ALT + F2) |
| 12:58.59 | Zrin | Shay: IC, thx! |
| 12:59.48 | Nagytalop | i downloaded the sarge netinst from debian.org and thats work well with 2.6.8 kernel only have with my vcard...only work in 800x600 |
| 13:00.05 | Nagytalop | i downloaded the sarge netinst from debian.org and thats work well with 2.6.8 kernel only have problem with my vcard...only work in 800x600 |
| 13:00.27 | Nagytalop | and i dont no why |
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| 13:00.57 | mh_le | Shay, so I should write the ip addy of my printer in that field? |
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| 13:01.35 | Nagytalop | fasza hogy figyeltek :) |
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| 13:01.48 | Quinn_Storm | Nagytalop, check your X config file and make sure that the higher resolutions are listed |
| 13:01.49 | Zrin | could someone compile a small and simple kernel module for me, for 2.4.27? |
| 13:02.08 | zulkifar | bbrazil: sorry, I was disconnected. Did you answer something to my 'AllocateDmaBuffer fail' question? :) |
| 13:02.16 | Nagytalop | thanx Quinn_Storm |
| 13:02.17 | fooz | Zrin, even if they did, it didn't work -- modules aren't cross compatible |
| 13:02.29 | Shay | mh_le; yeah, I guess, never tried the HP JetDirect in Linux |
| 13:02.43 | mh_le | ok thanks |
| 13:02.43 | fusion | Hm..I have a feeling that my system may have been compromised, however "last" does not show anything and who shows only I am logged on - is there anything else I can check? |
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| 13:03.04 | Shay | mh_le; if something goes wrong, check the logs :) |
| 13:03.06 | Zrin | fooz: I need to compile a driver for a new system to install - how to do that? i think installer uses 2.4.26 kernel |
| 13:03.11 | mh_le | does anyone have any experience with installing a jetdirect printer on debian? |
| 13:03.17 | D3s4p | anyone know something about Bughunter/Debian and new update's , i got some prob's with it ? |
| 13:03.22 | Gujiz | Is there any ways to list all packages installed on debian system ? |
| 13:03.27 | Rawplayer | mh_le: just telnet to it |
| 13:03.35 | mh_le | Shay, yeah it dosen't let me choose a driver |
| 13:03.35 | fooz | Zrin, you have to replace the entire kernel and modules.. unless you can find the kernel headers or source that was used to make the installer kernel |
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| 13:03.46 | mh_le | Rawplayer, and do what? |
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| 13:04.07 | zulkifar | Trying to run 'glxgears' in user session raises 'AllocateDmaBuffer fail' error. This doesn't happens under root. Why this happens and how to fix it? |
| 13:04.36 | Zrin | fooz: kernel is the debian 2.4.26 kernel, so headers are available, I'd try to load the module during installation process, before partitioning the HD (the RAID) |
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| 13:05.03 | fooz | Zrin, you'd also need the exact same compiler used to make the installer kernel |
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| 13:05.24 | fooz | zulkifar, add a DRI section to your XF86Config file |
| 13:05.28 | Zrin | fooz: is there a way to find out which compiler was used? |
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| 13:05.45 | fooz | Zrin, you could try reading the image and see if there's a string about the gcc version inside it. |
| 13:05.54 | fooz | Zrin, other than that, not really |
| 13:05.58 | Zrin | fooz: thx |
| 13:06.12 | Mr|Dave | if i'm getting a bunch of "400 Bad Request" errors when apt-getting, is there a way to get around it? I'm trying to install kde and a bunch of the kde packages get those errors |
| 13:06.18 | doublehp | which antivirus can scan windows partitions ? to detect Win* viruses ? |
| 13:06.21 | Mr|Dave | i tried apt-get update, that didn't help |
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| 13:08.34 | rux | hi. does anyone know how to config the xserver so that I can see the s video signal of the geforce fx5200 on my tv? |
| 13:09.01 | Rage_ | rux did you try having it plugged in when you booted ? |
| 13:09.03 | doublehp | rux: you want nvidia tools to activate the TV-out |
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| 13:09.24 | rux | doubleph: i tried nvtv and yanc |
| 13:09.26 | doublehp | rux: like tv_switch |
| 13:09.31 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.46 | tr | Is there a convienent way to install windows to a partition that ive left untouched, without destroying the linux loader in mbr? |
| 13:09.47 | CSWookie | Is it against freenode rules to use ip anonymizers (ie tor)? |
| 13:09.56 | Nagytalop | use anybody Asus geforce Ti4200 card with sarge??? |
| 13:10.19 | rux | doublehp: where can i get tv_switch? |
| 13:10.26 | sussudio | !irritate Nagytalop |
| 13:10.28 | dpkg | Nagytalop: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
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| 13:10.40 | Nagytalop | wow |
| 13:10.44 | Nagytalop | :) |
| 13:11.03 | doublehp | rux: dont know |
| 13:11.19 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, odd, no gaim-dev for the current testing version, just the unstable... |
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| 13:11.54 | rux | doublehp: i'd like to use twinview, but yanc says "no tv encoder found" |
| 13:12.00 | Zrin | with AMD Sempron CPU, shall I use 686 or K7 kernel? |
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| 13:16.59 | marcot | Why isn't eo_EO in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED if some programs have the eo_EO translation? |
| 13:17.00 | zulkifar | fooz: thanx |
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| 13:17.58 | mh_le | how do I add a network printer with foomatic? |
| 13:18.04 | fooz | marcot, it's not for programs. that path is part of locales, which is part of libc |
| 13:18.34 | marcot | fooz: hum... |
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| 13:18.43 | marcot | fooz: but shouldn't all possible locales be there? |
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| 13:19.37 | fooz | marcot, I don't know |
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| 13:19.51 | toresbe | Hmm, having my glasses crushed had a (well) hidden blessing in it |
| 13:20.02 | toresbe | I now noticed how weak my left eye is |
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| 13:20.33 | resiak | toresbe: That's a blessing? |
| 13:20.48 | toresbe | resiak: Well, now I'm training that eue |
| 13:20.49 | invsblduck | hey does anyone know how software is managed on SunOS? .tar.gz, package manager, etc... |
| 13:20.52 | sussudio | in soviet russia, glasses crush you |
| 13:21.00 | toresbe | sussudio: Hahaha :D |
| 13:21.08 | fooz | in korea, only old people crush glasses. |
| 13:21.15 | vchrizz | hum... what can i do against [d]dos attacks? cause my ircd and httpd are being dos-ed nearly every day ... i thought of any stuff that checks, if the client has a specific port open... ? |
| 13:21.32 | toresbe | why is the soviet joke still funny? It has some sort of inherent magic |
| 13:21.48 | toresbe | I've always hated the Korea meme, for instance |
| 13:21.52 | resiak | toresbe: You need an eye patch for your right eye to properly train your left. |
| 13:21.52 | fooz | toresbe, because of the funny russian accent! |
| 13:22.08 | mh_le | when I add a printer with foomatic it dosen't show in the list... |
| 13:22.13 | toresbe | resiak: I've fassioned one out of tape |
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| 13:22.17 | toresbe | resiak: fashioned* |
| 13:22.29 | resiak | toresbe: In Soviet Russia, memes hate YOU! ? |
| 13:22.33 | xerophyte | when i am in the screen, ctl + c is not working to kill the tail -f does anybody knwo why ? |
| 13:22.38 | toresbe | resiak: :P |
| 13:22.53 | toresbe | resiak: Amusingly I have noticed that I now have difficutly spelling things |
| 13:22.53 | fooz | 1. Crush glasses 2. ??? 3. Profit!!! |
| 13:23.07 | toresbe | It seems I've become temporarily dyxlesic |
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| 13:23.18 | toresbe | and none of these errors wre on purpose! :S |
| 13:23.27 | resiak | gilles: Did you have joy? |
| 13:23.28 | fooz | so does resiak |
| 13:23.39 | findme | any gurus in firewire problems ? |
| 13:23.41 | resiak | fooz: I'm sorry? |
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| 13:23.45 | resiak | !guru |
| 13:23.45 | dpkg | hmm... guru is (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for (old) Macs" |
| 13:23.52 | fooz | resiak, toresbe said he can't spell. I said so do you :) |
| 13:24.00 | sussudio | !irritate findme |
| 13:24.00 | dpkg | findme: hi every1 how can I make my kanotix werkz kthx |
| 13:24.04 | resiak | findme: Ask, and we'll see if we can help. |
| 13:24.11 | resiak | fooz: Pray, what did I mis-spell? |
| 13:24.16 | fooz | resiak, altar |
| 13:24.25 | resiak | fooz: Meh, you're right. |
| 13:24.42 | toresbe | Well, I'm the humblest guy here by far, and I |
| 13:24.55 | fooz | resiak, unless you meant you wanted to neuter linus |
| 13:24.58 | toresbe | Well, I'm the humblest guy here by far, and I'd still jumop upo jif anyone asked for a PDP-11 guru or a UNIVAC guru :P |
| 13:25.04 | findme | I am getting this error in dmesg. :- ohci1394: fw-host0: Running dma failed because Node ID is not valid , card is there but it is not capturing the video. |
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| 13:25.21 | resiak | fooz: Hah. |
| 13:25.50 | resiak | toresbe: You've also replaced me as the guy who hits <Enter> rather than ' :) |
| 13:26.11 | toresbe | resiak: Well, I switch between geographical layouts :) |
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| 13:26.15 | fooz | man i like fwbuilder but it's sorta limited. i wish there was some firewall language that was less verbose than using iptables directly but didn't remove major functionality in the process |
| 13:26.39 | gilles | resiak: no, it didn't work, probably because i tried another configuration (i first try to make the card work by changing some parameters in the kernel and recompiling it), so when running iwconfig it always says the card is NOT READY. I'm gonna buy another card that works without ndiswrapper... |
| 13:26.42 | toresbe | zinx: what country? |
| 13:26.47 | zinx | toresbe: US |
| 13:26.57 | zinx | toresbe: us-dvorak, however |
| 13:27.01 | toresbe | zinx: I see |
| 13:27.17 | fooz | i should remap in dvorak.. but doing that to a laptop keyboard would be hard |
| 13:27.31 | toresbe | uh |
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| 13:27.40 | fooz | toresbe, hahaha |
| 13:27.41 | toresbe | "Because it can't get any wrose!" |
| 13:27.45 | zinx | toresbe: it takes a while to get used to, and even longer to be proficient on both dvorak and qwerty |
| 13:27.47 | fooz | toresbe, it looks like you did already |
| 13:27.48 | marcot | When I do export LANG=eo_EO.utf8:pt_BR.utf8 it should use pt_BR.utf8 when eo_EO is not found right? |
| 13:28.01 | resiak | gilles: Hmm... I fought mine for a while with ndiswrapper. Got it working in the end, but it was always a bit iffy. Eventually I figured out that I was being moronic and figured out why the native driver wasn't building. |
| 13:28.03 | zinx | toresbe: but dvorak feels quite a bit nicer to me, to type on |
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| 13:28.20 | toresbe | zinx: Symbol-wise I've nothing to lose, I have three symbol layouts atm |
| 13:28.24 | zinx | toresbe: have to move your fingers in less-than-pleasant ways with qwerty :) |
| 13:28.45 | resiak | zinx: Hmm, you've now made me interested in Dvorak once again... Damn you! |
| 13:29.12 | marcot | Where can I get this kind of documentation? |
| 13:29.12 | toresbe | zinx: Tell me about it. With the Norwegian QWERTY layout {} is AltGr+7 or 0 |
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| 13:29.26 | toresbe | zinx: guaranteed to make you suicidal |
| 13:29.31 | resiak | toresbe: That's, uh, _retarded_! |
| 13:29.37 | zinx | toresbe: hehe, if you want to program, anyway :) |
| 13:29.49 | fooz | or type {{{{}}}}s |
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| 13:30.20 | zinx | (){} <- us-dvorak-style; they're the shifted []'s, which are right after 9/0 |
| 13:30.50 | toresbe | resiak: You don't need to restart |
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| 13:30.55 | vulture | resiak: I just use the aoeu/asdf scripts that come with the dvorak7min package |
| 13:30.56 | fooz | i have no problems with qwerty. dvorak might slow me down actually |
| 13:31.01 | toresbe | resiak: X can remap on the fly |
| 13:31.04 | vulture | works a treat, no restarting anything |
| 13:31.04 | fooz | i don't type like normal people |
| 13:31.09 | zinx | fooz: it certainly will for the first month or so! :) |
| 13:31.16 | resiak | toresbe: So I've done dpkg-reconfigure xx, now what? |
| 13:31.33 | toresbe | resiak: You did it the restart-ey way :P |
| 13:31.41 | vulture | fooz: my typing in qwerty was a bit random, not properly learnt, just evolved. Was good to learn Dvorak and teach myself to use the home row/proper keys/fingers, etc. |
| 13:32.17 | fooz | i was in typing school for a while and learned the home row stuff but I decided it wasn't worth the trouble |
| 13:32.33 | toresbe | AH FUCK GOD DMANN ()/&(/&)/ |
| 13:32.35 | vulture | fooz: I don't find it a trouble at all.. |
| 13:32.35 | fooz | zinx, you use improper fingers? naughty ones? |
| 13:32.40 | zinx | fooz: yes |
| 13:32.41 | vulture | toresbe: mwahahaha :) |
| 13:32.43 | toresbe | I tripped on my Teletype |
| 13:32.50 | zinx | fooz: the naughtiest of fingers |
| 13:32.55 | vulture | only thing I don't do perfectly is shift/alt/ctrl usage |
| 13:32.58 | toresbe | brb, stopping the bleeding |
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| 13:33.15 | fooz | the teletype demands its blood tribute |
| 13:33.29 | resiak | Dvorak people: How can I make vim like me once I switch? |
| 13:33.31 | rux | hi again. does somebody know how to run kde on a second xserver? |
| 13:33.36 | toresbe | I've fucking already given it half a pint :P |
| 13:33.43 | toresbe | stupid sharp mechanics |
| 13:33.45 | resiak | rux: Use gdm, and use gdmflexiserver :) |
| 13:33.45 | zinx | resiak: i avoid vi and derivitives like the plague |
| 13:33.46 | fooz | that's not enough! |
| 13:33.49 | resiak | zinx: Oh. |
| 13:33.52 | vulture | resiak: likes me just fine, how you would remap all the letters to the same physical locations I'm not so sure |
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| 13:33.57 | zinx | resiak: i never liked 'em, even when i was qwerty-only |
| 13:34.04 | gilles | Does someone know if the "PC Card WireLess WG511T" works on Debian without ndiswrapper ? |
| 13:34.09 | vulture | zinx: clearly an inferior human worm-baby. |
| 13:34.22 | rux | resiak: hm. and what do i have exactly to do? |
| 13:34.22 | Rawplayer | gilles: use ndiswrapper then |
| 13:34.25 | Rawplayer | it aint that hard |
| 13:34.30 | Rawplayer | i use it to |
| 13:34.33 | Rawplayer | works fine for me |
| 13:34.34 | rux | resiak: the second x runs on my tv |
| 13:34.35 | toresbe | Rawplayer: It sucks |
| 13:34.39 | Rawplayer | with my us robotics card |
| 13:34.39 | zinx | vulture: my memory is junk; i can't remember one or two shortcuts, let alone 50 billion |
| 13:34.41 | fooz | ndiswrapper is a tool of the devil |
| 13:34.42 | Rawplayer | toresbe: why? |
| 13:34.52 | fooz | zinx, you only need to remember the ones you use |
| 13:34.58 | toresbe | Rawplayer: Running proprietary code in kernel mode is insane |
| 13:34.59 | zinx | vulture: therefore, editors which require me to like vi, are completely out of the question :) |
| 13:35.00 | vulture | zinx: it's not that you need to, most things are systematically named, and there's tab-complete :) |
| 13:35.03 | zinx | fooz: and i can't. |
| 13:35.09 | vulture | (tab complete for commands) |
| 13:35.11 | toresbe | Rawplayer: It would crash my computer so hard I needed to yank the cord |
| 13:35.21 | gilles | Rawplayer: no, it doesn't work for me, I always have the message card is NOT READY |
| 13:35.23 | marcot | I haven't found this : thing in the locale documentation. Where can I get more doc about it? |
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| 13:35.29 | toresbe | gilles: ifconfig it up |
| 13:35.35 | toresbe | gilles: I tripped over that too |
| 13:35.39 | zinx | vulture: faster to navigate menus :/ |
| 13:35.44 | toresbe | Rawplayer: Not even the 5-second pw switch push would turn it off |
| 13:35.53 | toresbe | Rawplayer: Completely randomly, too |
| 13:35.53 | vulture | zinx: depends how often you use them |
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| 13:36.04 | resiak | rux: Uh, I don't know anything about dual-headed setups, sorry. |
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| 13:36.19 | vulture | zinx: theory (and practice for some) being that if you use them often enough you'll learn the commands you use and be able to access them faster than if you had to keep going through the menus |
| 13:36.27 | gilles | toresbe: ok, i'll try and tell you the result... |
| 13:36.31 | rux | resiak: its not dual headed |
| 13:36.36 | zinx | vulture: not much. usually i'm just typing text, or moving it. |
| 13:36.36 | nostalg1c | hmm, how would i go around getting a newer version of vsftpd running on woody? (i need one with port_promiscuous functionality) |
| 13:36.43 | vulture | zinx: you can always use gvim, so you have menus for the rare things, and you build up a good memory of commands you use often |
| 13:36.47 | giwe | How to stop exim hanging at boot when we don't have network connection? |
| 13:36.52 | rux | resiak: its only the "normal monitor" or the tc |
| 13:36.53 | rux | tv |
| 13:36.56 | zinx | vulture: again, i have _no memory_ |
| 13:37.04 | zinx | vulture: i can not remember commands, period |
| 13:37.10 | vulture | zinx: 'i' - type text. <number of lines> 'd' - delete text. 'p' - paste text |
| 13:37.10 | vulture | done |
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| 13:37.15 | fooz | vulture, exercise it |
| 13:37.15 | rux | resiak: two devices |
| 13:37.16 | zinx | vulture: i know this, and this is why i avoid such editors :) |
| 13:37.27 | vulture | zinx: *shrugs* |
| 13:37.38 | zinx | vulture: number of lines? that would be awful. i'm not going to count the number of lines i'm moving |
| 13:37.44 | zinx | sometimes it's rather large hunks of code |
| 13:37.50 | fooz | heheh |
| 13:38.06 | vulture | zinx: there's a visual mode, but I usually use ranges and regex, etc |
| 13:38.08 | zinx | and sometimes i move them between files :P |
| 13:38.11 | vulture | :<range>d |
| 13:38.12 | rux | resiak: or just simple: how can i start a program in a different xsever? :-) |
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| 13:38.21 | fooz | zinx, find out the line number of the start of the code block, go down to the last line of it, type :thenumber,d to delete |
| 13:38.22 | resiak | rux: I don't really know, to be honest. Sorry :) |
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| 13:38.35 | vulture | where range is <start>,<end> - can be exact lines, regex, relative offsets, etc.. |
| 13:38.37 | fooz | zinx, you can use a range like that with any ex command (ex is the colon mode in vi) |
| 13:38.45 | rux | resiak: ok. thank you very much for the help :-) |
| 13:38.50 | toresbe | rux: export DISPLAY="hostname, or just blank for localhost:display.subdisplay" |
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| 13:39.10 | toresbe | rux: so I export DISPLAY="simula:0" to check my email |
| 13:39.21 | fooz | zinx, you can leave parts of a range blank |
| 13:39.46 | resiak | rux: Heh, I did nothing. Ah well. |
| 13:39.50 | fooz | great thing about vi/ex is how simple it is. you can combine things |
| 13:39.51 | rux | toresbe: export DISPLAY="kdm:0" works?! |
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| 13:39.59 | fooz | i use both vi and emacs, though |
| 13:40.15 | toresbe | rux: huh? |
| 13:40.22 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 13:40.22 | dpkg | ae users are really backwards |
| 13:40.26 | rux | toresbe: btw. i'm not a native english speaker |
| 13:40.30 | fooz | i can't handle the editing 50 file at once of someone else's C++ project in vi. that's what I use emacs for |
| 13:40.30 | toresbe | rux: What is kdm? |
| 13:40.34 | toresbe | rux: neither am I :) |
| 13:40.54 | gilles | toresbe: it didn't work, it gives me the msg "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Expiration de la minuterie" |
| 13:40.57 | rux | toresbe: i want to run gnome, kde or something like this on the second server |
| 13:41.08 | toresbe | rux: Aber mein Deutsch ist scheisse (und so was mein Deutsch-leerer!) |
| 13:41.13 | vulture | fooz: split it N ways from sunday, etc.. works for me |
| 13:41.37 | fooz | vulture, i could never catch on to the split thing |
| 13:41.38 | rux | toresbe: hey. nicht wirklich |
| 13:41.43 | fooz | vulture, i like emacs buffers for that |
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| 13:42.02 | fooz | vulture, vi also likes to exit any chance it gets, while emacs tries to stop you from exiting |
| 13:42.04 | toresbe | rux: What do you want to run on the first? |
| 13:42.17 | fooz | vulture, so i use vi for quick stuff |
| 13:42.21 | toresbe | rux: Your English is fine. I have no problems understanding you :) |
| 13:42.25 | toresbe | gilles: Oh :\ |
| 13:42.39 | rux | toresbe: a login manger would be the first step I think |
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| 13:42.49 | vulture | fooz: I use vim at length, set it up to run ant instead of make, etc.. works a treat. |
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| 13:42.53 | rux | toresbe: if it's possible |
| 13:42.54 | vulture | (I mostly do java projects) |
| 13:43.07 | nostalg1c | hmm, how would i go around getting a newer version of vsftpd running on woody? (i need one with port_promiscuous functionality) |
| 13:43.07 | fooz | between any two reboots I'll run vi 1000 times and have emacs running the entire time |
| 13:43.12 | toresbe | rux: So, what do you want on the first server? |
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| 13:43.21 | toresbe | rux: Two instances of GNOME, or..? |
| 13:43.46 | rux | toresbe: for example. the first x runs on my monitor. the second on my tv |
| 13:44.00 | toresbe | rux: Oh, okay |
| 13:44.05 | rux | toresbe: and i want to run progs on my tv |
| 13:44.24 | findme | which software can I use to capture from CamCorder to HardDrive using USB ? |
| 13:44.26 | fooz | i also don't use vim |
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| 13:44.48 | toresbe | rux: I see. |
| 13:44.59 | toresbe | rux: Well, you don't want to run two X servers |
| 13:45.22 | rux | toresbe: not really. i can start the one i need |
| 13:45.35 | valdyn | rux: you cant run 2x X on the same tty, unless you patch the kernel console, which you probably don't want |
| 13:46.00 | rux | valdyn: i switch with f7 and f8?! |
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| 13:46.13 | valdyn | rux: that would work |
| 13:46.14 | fooz | valdyn, just run X dualhead |
| 13:46.17 | toresbe | valdyn: He basically wants to use the TV as a monitor |
| 13:46.20 | rux | valdyn: it works |
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| 13:46.41 | resiak | rux: See, I was right about dual-heading! XD |
| 13:46.44 | rux | valdyn: and i just want to know how i get stuff on the tv. not only the basic x |
| 13:46.46 | valdyn | rux: I did that with 1 "X" where one "X" can serve as many screens as hardware supports |
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| 13:47.45 | rux | valdyn resiak: so i'm confused now. its not twinview |
| 13:47.53 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - how can i find out whether a Hard-disk is IDE or Serial ATA please without having to open the machine? |
| 13:47.59 | toresbe | my goodness |
| 13:48.06 | toresbe | I can't play the piano anymore either |
| 13:48.19 | fooz | toresbe, stop drinking so much eh? |
| 13:48.26 | fooz | toresbe, alcohol's only good for you in moderation |
| 13:48.36 | valdyn | rux: it is twinview, but twinview supports 2 modes, one is _1_ xscreen across 2 physical monitors, one is 2 xscreens on 2 physical monitors |
| 13:48.38 | toresbe | fooz: *hic* LIES |
| 13:49.07 | valdyn | rux: I believe you want the second |
| 13:49.09 | toresbe | fooz: I've only drunk enough to even be slightly dizzy once :P |
| 13:49.21 | rux | valdyn: if i see a picture an the tv i cant see a picture on the monitor |
| 13:49.26 | fooz | i've never been drunk |
| 13:49.33 | fooz | and i don't plan on it |
| 13:49.37 | toresbe | fooz: It's the glasses, I can barely see anything :P |
| 13:49.49 | toresbe | fooz: Me neither, but beer *is* good :P |
| 13:49.54 | rux | valdyn: for that i made 2 devices and 2 monitors ion my config |
| 13:49.56 | valdyn | rux: thats because you want to run 2 Xservers, but thats no means to your goal, you need to run just _one_ xserver which serves 2 screens |
| 13:49.57 | fooz | bleh.. not any beers I've had |
| 13:50.07 | rux | valdyn: i tried to |
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| 13:50.29 | jcoiron | 'lo all |
| 13:50.30 | pepsi_ | how do i check whether I have usb 1 or ubs 2? |
| 13:50.30 | fooz | the only alcohols I like are isopropanol and methanol, and I don't like them to drink :) |
| 13:50.36 | rux | valdyn: but yanc and nvtv didnt work |
| 13:50.47 | rux | valdyn: "no tv encoder found" |
| 13:50.50 | paulswm | pepsi_: lspci |
| 13:50.54 | toresbe | the flight of the bumble bee has suddenly become the flight of the oxen |
| 13:50.59 | fooz | haha |
| 13:51.00 | pepsi_ | thx |
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| 13:51.07 | paulswm | pepsi_: np |
| 13:51.10 | rux | valdyn: if i type something in a console i can see it on both monitors |
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| 13:51.12 | valdyn | rux: both tools arent needed |
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| 13:51.34 | toresbe | rux: Then, run bsd-tetris and e happy! ;) |
| 13:51.36 | toresbe | be* |
| 13:52.05 | pepsi_ | paulswm: 0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) so.. question remains :) |
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| 13:52.20 | Tomosius | hello everyone |
| 13:52.20 | rux | valdyn: can be but i wasn't able to make it work |
| 13:52.25 | valdyn | rux: you define 2 screens in your xf86config, 2 displays, set one screen to one display each and have a Layout Section too, its all the nvidias howto |
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| 13:52.36 | ekoo | Hi |
| 13:52.45 | Tomosius | Can I ask A question? (sorry for mistakes :) ) |
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| 13:53.00 | resiak | Tomosius: Don't ask to ask. Just ask. :) |
| 13:53.17 | colde89 | what is to do if i get always: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout at boot time? |
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| 13:53.31 | rux | valdyn: i already have to screens and also the subsections |
| 13:53.50 | fooz | pepsi_, compile all the hcd drivers as modules, load them, and see which one attaches to your USB controller. if it's ohci or uhci, it's USB 1.x |
| 13:53.52 | rux | valdyn: and one is set to the monitor |
| 13:53.59 | fooz | pepsi_, if it's ehci, it's 2.x |
| 13:54.05 | rux | valdyn: the other to the tv |
| 13:54.13 | pepsi_ | fooz: aah.. thx |
| 13:54.17 | valdyn | rux: and you have 2 device sections |
| 13:54.20 | rux | valdyn: and i can already swith between the tv and the monitor |
| 13:54.28 | Tomosius | I've downloaded debian mini ISO, but when i installed it, it rebooted and i can see onle a black screen (i'm beginner in linux), what i have to do to get the other soft for debian from internet? |
| 13:54.30 | rux | valdyn: i have two devices |
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| 13:55.00 | valdyn | rux: Section "ServerLayout" ? |
| 13:55.30 | rux | valdyn: I have this section. do i have to change something there? |
| 13:55.32 | resiak | Tomosius: I presume that you want Gnome or KDE. Log in, run su and enter your root password, apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome/kde (assuming you're after one of those), say Yes, experience an enourmous download. |
| 13:55.39 | resiak | !faq Tomosius |
| 13:55.39 | dpkg | Tomosius: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:55.49 | phanter | hello there. I want to use apt-build, and I am now installing this package. Now it is asking for the gcc compiler options. What options do i need to give/ are the best to give. |
| 13:55.56 | valdyn | rux: look at flood |
| 13:56.00 | valdyn | rux: look at #flood |
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| 13:56.36 | paulswm | pepsi_: or you could just google for the chip info which lspci gave you |
| 13:56.39 | rux | valdyn: i'm there |
| 13:56.49 | pepsi_ | paulswm: good idea |
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| 13:56.59 | racoontje | Hi guys! |
| 13:57.05 | dseomn | phanter: what's your uname -a |
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| 13:57.18 | racoontje | Just managed to finish installing my new box. xorg running fine atm |
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| 13:58.07 | phanter | Linux debian 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:24:08 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:58.37 | resiak | !xorgsmite racoontje |
| 13:58.57 | dseomn | phanter: try "-O2 -march=i686" |
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| 13:59.30 | racoontje | resiak: what's so wrong with xorg? |
| 13:59.46 | zakame | hi all! |
| 13:59.51 | racoontje | resiak: it worked for other distro's... and as far as I can see it works fine. I still have xfree |
| 13:59.53 | dseomn | racoontje: nothing, it's just not in debian yet |
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| 14:00.02 | invsblduck | you know, just wtf is the deal w/ sunos? |
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| 14:00.06 | invsblduck | does anyone even use this shit? |
| 14:00.09 | mh_le | !search lpadmin |
| 14:00.18 | invsblduck | ~solaris |
| 14:00.19 | apt | from memory, solaris is Sun's unix derivative, or a very nice OS, or slowlaris |
| 14:00.22 | racoontje | dseomn: oic. I'm using the Ubunutu packages |
| 14:00.26 | wrd | btw: has anyone tried whether the ubuntu xorg packages work |
| 14:00.31 | wrd | ... |
| 14:00.31 | jimmy_ | when I installed my X packages, it asked me if I'm using an LCD monitor. Anyone know where this setting is store in the X config files? |
| 14:00.50 | dseomn | racoontje: crossing ubuntu/debian might work, but it can break easily |
| 14:00.51 | racoontje | jimmy_: just use dpkg-reconfigure later |
| 14:00.58 | paulswm | invsblduck: sure, I use it, no problems except it seems a bit slow to me |
| 14:01.01 | racoontje | dseomn: which is why I still have xfree ;-) |
| 14:01.03 | racoontje | jimmy_: btw, it' |
| 14:01.13 | racoontje | s dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 14:01.17 | invsblduck | paulswm: how in the WORLD do you find packages online for the thing? |
| 14:01.18 | mh_le | in which package is lpadmin? |
| 14:01.21 | racoontje | sorry about the enter, sorta-broken keyboard |
| 14:01.25 | jimmy_ | thanks racoontje |
| 14:01.34 | invsblduck | i've been looking for sudo for SunOS 5.9 for like twenty minutes |
| 14:01.40 | wrd | @racoontje: have you installed the packages directly via dpkg or did you add ubuntu trees to you apt/sources? |
| 14:01.56 | phanter | dseomn: I will try it. Can you also give me short explanation about what it does for gcc (i thin -march=i686 is something for optimizing for an i686 processor), what about -O2 |
| 14:02.03 | fooz | invsblduck, try some site like sunfreeware |
| 14:02.06 | invsblduck | paulswm: where do SunOS/Solaris people get their packages |
| 14:02.07 | paulswm | invsblduck: I don't run it at home, I use it at work, and I don't have to admin it |
| 14:02.39 | bbrazil | invsblduck: sunfreeware.com and blastwave.org |
| 14:02.43 | zakame | nothing wrogn with xorg, as i can tell... |
| 14:02.46 | dseomn | phanter: you;re right about -march=i686, -O2 implies a bunch of optimizations, see man gcc or info gcc for more info |
| 14:02.51 | resiak | racoontje: I was joking :) |
| 14:02.56 | fooz | invsblduck, or just get a compiler and build sudo yourself |
| 14:03.14 | phanter | dseomn: man gcc does not work. i do not know why because gcc is installed |
| 14:03.19 | invsblduck | fooz: yep |
| 14:03.24 | invsblduck | bbrazil: thanks, man |
| 14:03.29 | dseomn | phanter: install gcc-doc |
| 14:03.39 | bbrazil | invsblduck: both of those have sudo |
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| 14:04.05 | a-atwood_home | invsblduck: aye, they have a lot of gnu stuff compiled on sunfreeware.com |
| 14:04.31 | invsblduck | looks like this site may be useful :> |
| 14:04.37 | invsblduck | a glimmer of light through the gloom |
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| 14:05.58 | zakame | is modutils && modconf still desirable in these days of teh 2.6? |
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| 14:06.38 | fooz | modutils won't work with it. install module-init-tools |
| 14:06.53 | fooz | you can have both on; they coexist |
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| 14:08.37 | Fosten | upon initial woody/x/kde install, i had a nice small user login and initialization screen.... after upgrading kernel, big grey ugly debian window.... how can i get the kde-type login back? |
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| 14:08.54 | paulswm | mh_le: cupsys-client |
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| 14:09.16 | dseomn | Fosten: that wouldn't be caused by a kernel upgrade |
| 14:09.34 | zakame | fooz: yep, i know. just asking if they're still worth upgrading; fi |
| 14:09.40 | mh_le | paulswm, thanks :) |
| 14:09.46 | paulswm | mh_le: np |
| 14:10.34 | tr | Is there a convienent way to install windows to a partition that ive left untouched, without destroying the linux loader in mbr? |
| 14:11.07 | zinx | tr: win XP? not really.. just reinstall your boot loader after installing windows |
| 14:11.10 | dseomn | tr: install lilo or grub onto a floppy |
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| 14:11.23 | zakame | tr: nope, iirc. reinstall your bootloader after doz install... |
| 14:11.32 | tarzeau | tr: no imho |
| 14:11.48 | agenteo | I'm tring to install debian woody on this old old old 486 laptop without CDROM or integrated NIC. I've used the floppies, resque.bin root.bin and the 4 drivers floppy. There is plugged a PCMCIA NIC supported by the 3c574_cs module, someone can suggest me how to proceed? I'm still in the debian installer |
| 14:12.20 | Subdino | Hi. I have 2 graphic cards, an ati mach64 pro and a Creator3D framebuffer (sun hardware) and I wonder what I could do with both, provided that xinerama doesn't work (color depth are strictly incompatible between those two :/). Is it possible to have a gdm on each screen ? A desktop on each ? |
| 14:12.31 | Fosten | dseomn: ok how about dist-upgrade + kernel upgrade.... whatever it was, is it easy to bring back, is it just a package i'm missing? |
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| 14:13.18 | zakame | Fosten: you probably want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86... |
| 14:13.25 | dseomn | Fosten: what does dpkg -l kdm | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $1}' show? |
| 14:13.38 | R1zeeK | can anyone recommend a decent FTP server for Debian? |
| 14:13.57 | dseomn | R1zeeK: most of them are decent |
| 14:14.15 | R1zeeK | I was using Synaptic to look for FTP servers and I could only find one :S |
| 14:14.25 | zakame | R1zeeK: netselect-apt |
| 14:14.35 | R1zeeK | ok cheers |
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| 14:18.48 | Alleria | anyone ever seen lots of spurious " kernel: VFS: Disk change detected on device sr(11,1)" messages? |
| 14:18.58 | Alleria | It's an optical drive... |
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| 14:19.50 | tr | zinx, yea i suppose ill have to do that :) |
| 14:20.14 | calin | just wondering but what is the command when you do echo "<text>" | _some program_ and you want to send a mass message, what is _some program_? |
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| 14:20.44 | Fosten | dseomn: it shows "rc" |
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| 14:21.02 | dseomn | Fosten: apt-get install kdm |
| 14:21.49 | Fosten | how is kdm not installed, i'm in kde right now |
| 14:22.12 | dseomn | Fosten: kdm is not part of kde-core |
| 14:22.49 | paulswm | calin: wall |
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| 14:22.58 | calin | thank you very much paulswm |
| 14:23.03 | paulswm | calin: np |
| 14:23.16 | Rawplayer | i have some problems with my keyboard in xwindows my keys work like this q=w w=e e=r r=t t=y how can i solve that i have a type 5 keyboard of sun |
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| 14:23.36 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 14:23.36 | dpkg | i guess sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 14:23.37 | chugga | whats the best way to play a movie off a windows box, using commonly available tools |
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| 14:23.57 | dseomn | chugga: why are you asking here? |
| 14:24.17 | fredl | hi, I just decided to move to thunderbird/firefox instead of mozilla. You probably know my question already then :) |
| 14:24.30 | dseomn | chugga: I'd suggest vlc btw |
| 14:24.42 | fredl | how to I make mailto: links in firefox open a thunderbird message window? |
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| 14:24.54 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, I was going to say "change the key caps" |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | paulswm: you can't do that on sun keyboards :) |
| 14:25.09 | zakame | anyone experiencing firefox slowdowns during loading slashdot? |
| 14:25.13 | fredl | Debian has some way to set the default mailprogram or something ight? |
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| 14:25.19 | chugga | dseomn, hmm, well lets say the box is on a network, and you are on a linux point |
| 14:25.20 | fredl | s/ight/right/ |
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| 14:25.48 | abrotman | fredl: apt-get install <theoneyoulike> |
| 14:25.53 | dseomn | chugga: so you want to stream video from windows to gnu/linux? |
| 14:25.55 | abrotman | fredl: wait .. which mail program ? |
| 14:26.04 | chugga | dseomn, yes. please |
| 14:26.05 | equnix | i booted my 2.6 kernel and dhclient complained about "Socket: Address family not supported by protocol". furthermore, my nvidia driver binary says the source tree does not match the running kernel, but it is, i'm sure of it! |
| 14:26.06 | fredl | abrotman - I want to use thunderbird. |
| 14:26.17 | abrotman | fredl: so install it |
| 14:26.21 | dseomn | chugga: install vlc on both machines and read the docs |
| 14:26.23 | marcot | Hello, my locale is set to LANG=eo_EO.UTF-8:pt_BR.UTF-8 , and when I do "epiphany", it says: (epiphany-browser:10078): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
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| 14:26.33 | marcot | But when LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 it goes fine. |
| 14:26.40 | chugga | dseomn, what about this NX thing, is it of any use here? |
| 14:26.40 | fredl | abrotman - I did :) Only thing is if I click on a mailto: link in firefox it doesn'topen thunderbird. |
| 14:26.56 | dseomn | chugga: what's NX? |
| 14:26.59 | mwilson | marcot: Well, yeah. |
| 14:27.06 | mwilson | marcot: What did you expect? |
| 14:27.08 | abrotman | fredl: if you search google .. there are many FAQ questions about that .. if you're in a hurry .. ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 14:27.11 | fredl | abrotman - managed to make links in thunderbird open up firefox but not the other way around. |
| 14:27.13 | chugga | dseomn, thats wht im trying to figure out |
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| 14:27.29 | gilles | why is my wifi pc card on eth2 and not wlan0 ? |
| 14:27.32 | marcot | mwilson: I thought that the : means that it will use the second if the first was not found. |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | gilles: mine is eth0 |
| 14:27.42 | fredl | abrotman - yeah firefox will open the default mail program.... |
| 14:27.43 | marcot | mwilson: Isn't this what it's for/ |
| 14:27.44 | marcot | ? |
| 14:27.44 | mwilson | marcot: Uh, no. |
| 14:27.53 | fredl | abrotman - but on my debian system it doesn't open anything! |
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| 14:28.03 | mwilson | marcot: Inventing your own syntax doesn't make it magically work. |
| 14:28.07 | abrotman | fredl: i know .. really .. use google ... "firefox default mail application" |
| 14:28.08 | fredl | abrotman - so I figure I don't have a 'default mailprogram' ? |
| 14:28.13 | marcot | mwilson: I haven't invented it. |
| 14:28.22 | marcot | mwilson: and it work in some programs. |
| 14:28.23 | abrotman | fredl: don't make me google for you .. |
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| 14:28.34 | avallark | hey all :) |
| 14:28.36 | dseomn | chugga: I have no clue what NX is or how it's relavant, but I know vlc handles windows -> gnu/linux streaming |
| 14:28.47 | marcot | mwilson: I have taken it from http://focalinux.cipsga.org.br/guia/inic_interm/ch-pers.htm#s-pers-idioma |
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| 14:29.10 | marcot | mwilson: (in pt_BR, but I think this part is understandable). |
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| 14:29.28 | chugga | wow vlc is a good 13mb download |
| 14:29.45 | dseomn | chugga: dialup? |
| 14:29.56 | asg | abrotman: no snow, a little freezing drizzle and that's about it for us |
| 14:29.57 | chugga | nope dsl |
| 14:30.06 | abrotman | asg: we're gonna get killed! |
| 14:30.10 | dseomn | chugga: come on, you can stomach that |
| 14:30.11 | abrotman | asg: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USPA1324.html |
| 14:30.22 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I noticed. ~2 feet or so |
| 14:30.30 | valdyn | fredl: "apt-get install mozilla-firefox-gnome-support" and set your mailer in gnome's settings |
| 14:30.32 | abrotman | about a foot for me i guess |
| 14:30.44 | chugga | dseomn, ok :) |
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| 14:30.46 | fredl | abrotman - heh ok :) I've been searching for it already though but lemme check more |
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| 14:31.01 | abrotman | fredl: see what valdyn said |
| 14:31.37 | chugga | NX is no machine |
| 14:31.40 | gilles | when i type : iwlist eth2 scan, I get => eth2 No scan results |
| 14:31.43 | chugga | im really curious as to what it does |
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| 14:32.34 | gilles | And when I type : ifconfig eth2 up, I get => SIOCSIFFLAGS: Expiration de la minuterie |
| 14:32.35 | fredl | valdyn - hehe but I don't use GNOME |
| 14:32.52 | fredl | I have only a 600MHz CPU. |
| 14:32.54 | abrotman | fredl: the google .. or ask irc.mozilla.org |
| 14:33.10 | abrotman | fredl: and that's fine for gnome if you've enough ram |
| 14:33.17 | fredl | yeah I'll fogire it out abrotman, was just hoping this was a debian thing I can set. |
| 14:33.23 | fredl | s/fogire/figure/ |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | fredl: i'm pretty sure it's a firefox thing .. |
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| 14:33.50 | fredl | abrotman - depends on what you deem 'fine for gnome' |
| 14:34.01 | gilles | how to know what hardware is on which IRQ ? |
| 14:34.05 | abrotman | fredl: i ran it on a 500 |
| 14:34.06 | fredl | I just run fluxbox, that's fine with me. |
| 14:34.15 | abrotman | fredl: yeah .. ok .. |
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| 14:34.21 | fredl | don't need all the bloatware. |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | yeah .. like firefox :) |
| 14:34.46 | chugga | i agree, just use telnet |
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| 14:34.50 | fredl | yeah well w3m just doesn't do it for me to view porn. |
| 14:34.58 | resiak | asciilib! |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | netscape4 :) |
| 14:35.05 | resiak | Uh, aalib. |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | resiak: it's ok .. we'll let it slide |
| 14:35.31 | zakame | fredl: heh |
| 14:35.38 | zakame | resiak: caca |
| 14:35.41 | avallark | how long is it going for you guys to start using firefox? |
| 14:35.41 | resiak | abrotman: :) |
| 14:35.53 | asg | avallark: we use it |
| 14:35.54 | resiak | zakame: Hmm. Aah. Ooh! |
| 14:36.01 | abrotman | i use opera .. but firefox is ok |
| 14:36.17 | resiak | abrotman: Opera? Pah! I spit on your advert banners! |
| 14:36.19 | zakame | avallark: firefox is so damn slow on sites with rss as link rel="alternate", like /. |
| 14:36.22 | resiak | !start a browser war |
| 14:36.23 | dpkg | Mosaic < *! |
| 14:36.33 | chugga | galeon |
| 14:36.40 | abrotman | resiak: there's an evil hack for that in linux |
| 14:36.49 | chugga | but seriously the only browser ive ever liked is dillo |
| 14:36.58 | chugga | they should make it better, and it'd be wicked |
| 14:37.04 | abrotman | resiak: iirc . something like ~/.opera-license .. just create the file |
| 14:37.08 | resiak | abrotman: I see. |
| 14:37.19 | zakame | netcat |
| 14:37.19 | abrotman | resiak: i've not done it .. but i've seen it used |
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| 14:37.42 | abrotman | resiak: i don't have a problem with the ads .. i accidentally click it once in a while .. and opera gets paid :) |
| 14:37.55 | VivekVC | Abdul are you there?? |
| 14:37.56 | resiak | abrotman: Fair enough. |
| 14:37.57 | zakame | chugga: yeah, it's so damn fast, works even on knoppix 3.4 with 16 mb ram... |
| 14:37.59 | gilles | To compile a new kernel, i just have to go to the /usr/scr/kernel-source-2.6.x/, make menuconfig to configure it, and then type "debian/rules binary-arch", and eventually "dpkg -i ../kernel-image-2.6.x.deb", Right ? |
| 14:38.12 | asg | gilles: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:38.27 | kantai | !browser |
| 14:38.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, browser is Most commonly used to refer to a software program used to lookat World Wide Web pages. |
| 14:38.43 | asg | !browser =~ s/lookat/look at/ |
| 14:38.43 | dpkg | asg: OK |
| 14:38.50 | zakame | gilles: make menuconfig && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg build && fakeroot make -f debian/rules kernel-image-deb |
| 14:38.50 | chugga | zakame, yeah. its ytiny. the binary is like 300k |
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| 14:39.07 | Karhuton | Can someone tell me a nice encryption app (gtk2 would be nice) I could use to encrypt/decrypt files like diary.txt and passwords.txt? |
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| 14:39.13 | abrotman | resiak: i guess it's not very fair to opera .. i should just pay them |
| 14:39.23 | VivekVC | al |
| 14:39.25 | sunai | soo what's the latest guess on a sarge release date? |
| 14:39.25 | resiak | abrotman: You should. This is why I don't use it ;) |
| 14:39.30 | asg | Karhuton: apt-cache search for gtk gpg |
| 14:39.32 | resiak | !tell sunai about wwsr |
| 14:39.32 | zakame | chugga: i hope it stomps everything else in the $BROWSER market someday... |
| 14:39.41 | zakame | Karhuton: gnupg |
| 14:39.45 | chugga | zakame, that is a beautiful dream. me too |
| 14:39.52 | VivekVC | avallark: I found you :) |
| 14:39.54 | abrotman | resiak: well ... i still find it better than other browsers |
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| 14:40.08 | resiak | abrotman: Fair enough. I'm not a big fan, but each to his own. |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | resiak: but firefox is a close second |
| 14:40.10 | sunai | resiak: ty |
| 14:40.24 | resiak | abrotman: I'd use it if Mozilla and its brethren weren't around, but... |
| 14:40.27 | resiak | sunai: No problem. |
| 14:40.29 | abrotman | and if i probably spent enough time with firefox .. i'd use that |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | !clean my clothes |
| 14:41.22 | resiak | !clean my clothes is <reply> No, $who, you lazy smeghead. Do it yourself! |
| 14:41.22 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 14:41.23 | asg | abrotman: you should be like the polititians and hire an illegal alien to do it for you |
| 14:41.42 | asg | s/tit/tic/ |
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| 14:41.50 | avallark | VivekVC: ha ha , damn! the traditional hiding methods dont work anymore.. how could trace me out of ma camouflage |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | asg: hmmmm .. are you illegal? :) |
| 14:42.03 | asg | abrotman: no, I have a green card |
| 14:42.04 | tactless | Is there any way to take advantage of HAL and DBUS without Gnome or KDE? |
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| 14:42.28 | abrotman | asg: oh .. guess i'm on my own then |
| 14:42.33 | marcot | mwilson: ins't that true? |
| 14:42.36 | asg | abrotman: though by some strange twist of fate and rendering, the picture on it makes me look like a bandito |
| 14:42.39 | marcot | mwilson: is there a way of configuring this? |
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| 14:42.50 | abrotman | asg: habla espanol? |
| 14:43.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:43.12 | asg | abrotman: no |
| 14:43.25 | asg | abrotman: I mean to learn since I'm going to be in Malaga for 2 weeks over the summer |
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| 14:43.48 | abrotman | asg: nice .. sounds like fun ... |
| 14:43.49 | R1zeeK | quick question, what command do I do to find out the IP of my local machine? |
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| 14:43.55 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
| 14:44.00 | R1zeeK | cheers :) |
| 14:44.09 | asg | abrotman: it will be interesting, I haven't been there in 23 years or so. |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | wow |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | i just want a vacation |
| 14:44.32 | R1zeeK | ifconfig -a doesnt work :S |
| 14:44.33 | asg | abrotman: this will be my first real one in 5 years |
| 14:44.51 | abrotman | R1zeeK: ipconfig /all |
| 14:44.52 | abrotman | :) |
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| 14:45.09 | asg | R1zeeK: /sbin/ifconfig -a (if you aren't root) |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | R1zeeK: and yes .. ifconfig -a will show it |
| 14:45.18 | R1zeeK | ok thanks |
| 14:45.23 | abrotman | asg: i'd like a real real one ... |
| 14:45.31 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 14:45.40 | abrotman | asg: i'm supposed to go to NC and Seattle ... but i'm not sure those count |
| 14:45.51 | asg | abrotman: ah, yeah :/ |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | asg: i'd go to HI .. but .. it'd be more fun with someeone .. and i'm not sure i know anyone that can go |
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| 14:47.09 | abrotman | asg: everyone i know is either poor .. or physically unfit(i'd like to do some biking/diving while there) |
| 14:47.50 | abrotman | sailing would be fun too :) |
| 14:48.17 | warthawg | i have a permissions problem using xsane with my epson cs5400 scanner. works as root, not as normal user. but i don't know what dev or whatever to change the permissions on. no /dev/scanner or /dev/usb/scanner there. |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | warthawg: ls -l /dev/<device> ... what group is it owned by? |
| 14:49.08 | abrotman | warthawg: dmesg to find the ddevice |
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| 14:49.15 | dendrite | warthawg: Run xsane as follows, and look for the failed open: strace -eopen xsane |
| 14:49.44 | warthawg | you guys are great, thanks. checking. |
| 14:49.52 | cahoot | warthawg: read /usr/share/doc/sane-utils/REAME.debian |
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| 14:50.20 | abrotman | snow snow snow!!! |
| 14:50.28 | gilles | zakame: thanks |
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| 14:50.45 | romulo | how do i remove a package without removing dependencies? like --nodeps on rpm |
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| 14:50.47 | dendrite | abrotman: Snow here as well... |
| 14:51.04 | abrotman | dendrite: didn't get here yet |
| 14:51.09 | Atropine | Heya :) i have a BIG problem i think, i don't have no network anymore on the debian |
| 14:51.17 | abrotman | dendrite: you must be a few hours south of me |
| 14:51.19 | Atropine | and i don't think i did nothing |
| 14:51.20 | dendrite | romulo: That's not something you should do, unless you know how. Read the documentation. |
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| 14:51.38 | Atropine | only connection i still have is a connection that was initiated this morning |
| 14:51.39 | dendrite | abrotman: I'm in Virginia, near DC. |
| 14:51.43 | Atropine | which is still alive |
| 14:51.47 | romulo | dendrite, i need to do it ok? i was just looking for the cmd |
| 14:51.59 | abrotman | dendrite: ah .. i'm outside philly |
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| 14:52.14 | dendrite | romulo: Read the man page. After you hose up your system, you'll need to understand the package management tools to fix it, anyhow.; |
| 14:52.29 | Atropine | anyone can help me please ? |
| 14:52.42 | mwilson | romulo: That's not something you need to be doing. |
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| 14:53.09 | romulo | dendrite, i need to remove xlibmesa-glu otherwise my nvidia package will not work well |
| 14:53.17 | romulo | the problem if i remove it x goes to space |
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| 14:53.43 | mwilson | romulo: Except that you don't, of course. |
| 14:53.50 | dendrite | romulo: Whatever. This is a case where you MUST understand what you're doing, and how to undo it... |
| 14:54.11 | romulo | dendrite, well xlibmesa-glu is defaut installed with X |
| 14:54.24 | romulo | the problem is i need to use nvidia ones lib, and not this one, otherwise, no 3d |
| 14:54.25 | abrotman | !depends xlibmesa-glu |
| 14:54.28 | pimpwell | during the install process of the network boot CD, is it normal thta my hub doesnt light up even though the cable is in? |
| 14:54.30 | mwilson | romulo: Wrong again. |
| 14:54.31 | dpkg | xlibmesa-glu: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), xlibmesa-gl | libgl1 |
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| 14:54.58 | abrotman | pimpwell: did the NIC get detected? |
| 14:54.58 | dendrite | !rdepends xlibmesa-glu |
| 14:55.01 | romulo | mwilson, so how do i will solve that? |
| 14:55.04 | pimpwell | how can I tell |
| 14:55.08 | pimpwell | dmesg? |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | you'll know .. did you read the install guide? |
| 14:55.21 | abrotman | !ig |
| 14:55.22 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 14:55.29 | pimpwell | IUm using sarge |
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| 14:55.54 | abrotman | did it ask you to config the card? |
| 14:55.55 | romulo | abrotman, ~3times |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | romulo: huh? |
| 14:56.10 | joz | hi |
| 14:56.12 | romulo | abrotman, it ask me to just install it, i did and still getting slow |
| 14:56.12 | abrotman | romulo: i wasn'ttalking at you :) |
| 14:56.22 | Desiac | trying to get a 2.6.10 kernel to boot, getting error, VFS cannot open root device.... , my grub settings correct, loading same partition from a 2.4.26 kernel with no problems. i'm running ext3, and its included in the kernel, used the kernel-source w/ deb packs to compile, anyone have any ideas |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | romulo: i avoid nvidia like rabies |
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| 14:56.57 | romulo | abrotman, well i cant, i already have one nvidia card and need it |
| 14:57.13 | Atropine | humm |
| 14:57.23 | romulo | how i enable agp fast writes? |
| 14:57.29 | Atropine | had to stop networking, wait and start it and it works again |
| 14:57.33 | Atropine | i wonder what happened |
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| 14:58.56 | zakame | hi again. hows the firefox war? |
| 14:59.17 | thomas_adam | Crap.. I use links. |
| 14:59.59 | dendrite | thomas_adam: Check out w3m. =) |
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| 15:00.13 | thomas_adam | dendrite: I did. Hence why I use links. |
| 15:00.20 | Ringo999 | hello folks. im trying to setup my home networking usng internet connection sharing. i have wlan access to internet and wanne share that connection via ethernet. now im trying to understand the network settings i need for that...anyone who has Xperience with that? |
| 15:00.27 | thomas_adam | dendrite: Besides which, typing in zgv(1) works just as well. |
| 15:00.38 | Ringo999 | here is the current settings. router ip: 192.168.2.1 / wlan client ip: 192.168.2.101 => what do i have to set the ethernet ip/subnet to? |
| 15:00.38 | thomas_adam | s/typing/tying/ |
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| 15:01.49 | zakame | Ringo999: use sid. |
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| 15:02.10 | thomas_adam | zakame: What sort of an answer is that!? |
| 15:02.22 | thomas_adam | Ringo999: You can work it out easy enough. |
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| 15:03.03 | Ringo999 | thomas_adam: the thing is. the wlan client is macosx. the pc client is debian. |
| 15:03.13 | thomas_adam | Ringo999: That makes no difference. |
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| 15:04.06 | zakame | thomas_adam: the answer that would beg for a reaction such as yours :D |
| 15:04.19 | Ringo999 | so what should be the settings for ethernet? ive really tried to get it working for 2hours now. still doenst work. i know its simple acutally... |
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| 15:05.01 | zakame | Ringo999: networks ought to be OS-transparent. |
| 15:05.49 | Ringo999 | zakame: right. basically the wlan client becomes a router. so. i have to make a new subenet for ethernet client? |
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| 15:07.15 | zakame | Ringo999: true, sort of snat, i think... |
| 15:09.18 | racoontje | hey |
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| 15:09.30 | racoontje | I could be missing something, but could it be that Pypanel isn't in the apt trees? |
| 15:09.32 | calin | how do i update the "locate" database? |
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| 15:09.40 | racoontje | calin: updatedb |
| 15:09.42 | |rufius| | updatedb |
| 15:09.43 | calin | thanky ou |
| 15:10.01 | |rufius| | you'rew elcome |
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| 15:10.58 | paulswm | Ringo999: you might find something useful here seeing as how its quiet in the channel: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
| 15:11.16 | Ringo999 | thx paulswm |
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| 15:12.02 | kenroy | hello |
| 15:12.20 | kenroy | does debian have kde 3.3 |
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| 15:13.11 | ixi-deb05 | hi |
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| 15:13.28 | Rawplayer | yes kenroy |
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| 15:13.34 | takatumi | !info kdebase sarge |
| 15:13.37 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 15:14.31 | kenroy | i have tried to install fedora and having a hard time with it |
| 15:14.38 | kenroy | so i decied to go to debian |
| 15:14.39 | asg | kenroy: try #fedora |
| 15:14.54 | rafx | what has changed in testing recently to cause lockups during woody 3.0r1 -> sarge upgrades? updates were trouble-free a few weeks ago. now the screen freezes on a few dialogs brought up by dist-upgrade and requires kill -STOP && kill -CONT to unfreeze. |
| 15:15.01 | takatumi | kenroy: /msg dpkg d-i (for sarge if you haven't) |
| 15:15.20 | asg | kenroy: also, helpful general info can be found in our channel faq (/msg dpkg faq) |
| 15:15.20 | paulswm | asg: a little quick on the old trigger finger there, huh |
| 15:15.37 | asg | paulswm: yes |
| 15:15.45 | rafx | since woody 3.0r1 hasn't changed, I'm guessing something new in testing is causing the upgrade problem. |
| 15:15.46 | paulswm | asg: heh |
| 15:15.48 | asg | paulswm: though history is on my sid |
| 15:15.51 | asg | s/sid/side/ |
| 15:15.55 | kenroy | ok |
| 15:16.06 | asg | kenroy: if you have a specific issue, feel free to ask |
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| 15:16.42 | pimpwell | when i plug the network cable in the NIC it says: eth0 up |
| 15:16.47 | pimpwell | but the hub light isnt on |
| 15:17.03 | pimpwell | i tried swappin cables with working ones... hub light still won't go on |
| 15:17.12 | pimpwell | I ping nic, it works |
| 15:17.17 | ixi-deb05 | I can't get DRI working. In XFree86.log there are several WW messages including: 1) (WW) RADEON(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xf0000000,0x2000000) and 2) (WW) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP not available. lspci recognizes my videocard as "Radeon RV100 QY". I have 'agpgart', 'ati_agp' and 'radeon' modules loaded. |
| 15:17.19 | chugga | maybe the led is broken |
| 15:17.28 | asg | pimpwell: the link light or the 100mbit light (presuming you have one) |
| 15:17.38 | pimpwell | the link light on the hub |
| 15:17.52 | pimpwell | I never moved the cable end plugged in to the hub so its not the LED |
| 15:17.54 | asg | pimpwell: did you try another port? can you ping other machines on the network? |
| 15:18.01 | pimpwell | my network is fine |
| 15:18.15 | pimpwell | im in the middle of the installation though, could this be it? |
| 15:18.22 | pimpwell | Network boot installation |
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| 15:18.29 | asg | pimpwell: if you can ping, no, that's not it |
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| 15:18.38 | pimpwell | i can't ping my gateway |
| 15:18.40 | pimpwell | only the NIC |
| 15:19.06 | pimpwell | and when I plug the cable in, eth0 goes up |
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| 15:19.25 | pimpwell | and the link light on the NIC goes on |
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| 15:19.29 | pimpwell | just nothing hub side |
| 15:19.36 | nostalg1c | perhaps your hub led is broken :) |
| 15:19.40 | asg | pimpwell: at that point, can you ping your gateway? |
| 15:19.42 | takatumi | ixi-deb05: /msg dpkg ati (you might need the ATI binary drivers) |
| 15:19.49 | meff | what is the proper syntax to sync your local tree to the remote tree with cvs? i've tried just 'cvs update' and it tries to send a bunch of large files from my local copy.. i only want it to recieve the new files.. thanks |
| 15:19.54 | pimpwell | asg: network unreachable |
| 15:20.12 | nvz | pimpwell: are you sure its a hub and not a switch? and did you try different ports? |
| 15:20.25 | pimpwell | hub isnt broken, the cable im using to talk right now I swapped at the computer end and light wouldnt go on |
| 15:20.28 | pimpwell | but eth0 went up |
| 15:20.39 | pimpwell | its not LED. |
| 15:20.40 | asg | pimpwell: can you explain what you mean by 'eth0 went up' ? |
| 15:21.06 | pimpwell | in console "eth0 link up" |
| 15:21.15 | pimpwell | lpa 0x0000 |
| 15:21.26 | pimpwell | half duplex, 10mbps |
| 15:21.28 | asg | pimpwell: does /sbin/ifconfig indicate an eth0 interface with an ip address? |
| 15:21.35 | arturaz | localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: -84K |
| 15:21.37 | arturaz | huh? :) |
| 15:21.38 | OleMoudi | how do I tell cupsysd not to start during boot ? |
| 15:21.55 | asg | OleMoudi: man update-rc.d |
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| 15:21.59 | viric | Hi debian folks! |
| 15:22.01 | dseomn | OleMoudi: sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/cupsys |
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| 15:22.04 | viric | I've a question for you, about locales ;) |
| 15:22.07 | pimpwell | eth0 has no IP attached to it |
| 15:22.16 | viric | - although I'm not a debian user. :) |
| 15:22.16 | nvz | dseomn: you are a moron |
| 15:22.16 | asg | pimpwell: man 5 interfaces and /msg dpkg faq |
| 15:22.45 | pimpwell | I did dhclient & |
| 15:22.48 | pimpwell | it found nothing too |
| 15:22.53 | nvz | there are hundreds of ways to stop daemons, that doesnt make it a good fucking idea |
| 15:22.55 | dseomn | nvz: sry I thought this was #ubuntu for a moment |
| 15:23.06 | nvz | heh |
| 15:23.09 | viric | Have you ever seen a locale configuration for messages in multiple languages? I remember I saw that in a debian long time ago. The setting was like: LC_MESSAGES="ca_ES.UTF-8:es_ES.UTF-8". But I cannot find that kind of configuration in the info pages.... |
| 15:23.20 | viric | If the message wasn't found in ca_ES, then it was shown in es_ES. |
| 15:23.38 | viric | I think I didn't dream that ;) |
| 15:23.58 | maja | any one know how to fix a unable_to_read_controls_(#4.3.0) qmail error ? |
| 15:24.10 | asg | maja: try #qmail or their mailing list archives |
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| 15:25.10 | faw | maja, probably /var/qmail/control permission |
| 15:25.23 | maja | asg: they are all asleep :( |
| 15:25.41 | maja | fow checked all qmail group root owner |
| 15:26.05 | asg | maja: then google for the error and check their mailing list archives (and then post to the mailing list if you don't find anything.) |
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| 15:26.25 | maja | asg ja that seems to of been the right string |
| 15:26.51 | |rufius| | OleMoudi: update-rc.d cupsys remove |
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| 15:27.06 | |rufius| | OleMoudi: if that doesn't work, then just do "man update-rc.d" |
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| 15:27.16 | asg | |rufius|: he would need to add '-f' |
| 15:27.26 | maja | sorry for posting to soon |
| 15:27.30 | |rufius| | asg: thanks, thats what i forgot |
| 15:27.30 | OleMoudi | I was already reading it |
| 15:27.37 | OleMoudi | thx |
| 15:27.53 | asg | OleMoudi: however, the next update will re-install the symlinks |
| 15:28.05 | spl0it | I'm having a problem with my cdrom.. the symlink was missing (dunno why) and I set it up to point to /dev/hdc (where my cdrom is located) and I get a mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom if I try and mount anything.. I notice a ide-scsi error in dmesg... can someone point me in the right direction to get this working? |
| 15:28.54 | OleMoudi | asg, in fact I was looking for some kind of utility to manage system start up services. I used mdk for some time and it had a utility to do so |
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| 15:29.18 | OleMoudi | I guess it was a frontend for update-rc.d |
| 15:29.21 | asg | OleMoudi: rcconf |
| 15:29.27 | takatumi | OleMoudi: try rcconf or sysvconfig |
| 15:29.31 | asg | OleMoudi: also, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/MiscellaneousPage#head-55d07a135353b4f1ef055b83c9531103c21c48ef |
| 15:29.55 | calin | i have a computer i want to ssh to, that i have ssh'ed to at a different IP address, but now it tells me that i have dome something something and for security reason it's not going to let me ssh |
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| 15:30.04 | OleMoudi | great, thanks |
| 15:30.04 | calin | how can i tell it to go ahead and connect? |
| 15:30.08 | honschu | what is this little program named which takes photos of the screen? It's part of Xfree I think. |
| 15:30.21 | nostalg1c | 'import' |
| 15:30.24 | asg | calin: edit your ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the previous line for that ip |
| 15:30.26 | nostalg1c | from imagemagick |
| 15:30.31 | takatumi | honschu: or scrot |
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| 15:30.32 | Jon | honschu: there's import in imagemagick, and gnome has a panel applet for capturing screenshots |
| 15:30.33 | calin | thank's asg |
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| 15:31.12 | asg | honschu: xwd (was the one you were referring to) |
| 15:31.13 | |rufius| | OleMoudi: nah, mandrake doesn't use the rc0-6 folders, it uses chkconfig which is different |
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| 15:31.20 | calin | i have a screenshot entry in my menu that does xwd | xwud |
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| 15:31.31 | calin | you can prolley do xwd > otuput.png also |
| 15:31.43 | t5yuauj64i5kk | Is 2.4.28 unstable in Woody? |
| 15:31.43 | warthawg | thanks for the tip on the sane README. scanner works better now that I belong to scanner group. might also be the key to my print/usbdrive problems. |
| 15:31.49 | asg | t5yuauj64i5kk: no |
| 15:31.49 | honschu | calin: xwd, that's it! |
| 15:31.53 | calin | =D |
| 15:32.01 | asg | t5yuauj64i5kk: only 2.4.18 |
| 15:32.01 | t5yuauj64i5kk | i just had an annoying incident where a scsi drive became inaccessible |
| 15:32.04 | t5yuauj64i5kk | crashed system |
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| 15:32.18 | t5yuauj64i5kk | using 2.4.28 with official drivers |
| 15:32.21 | asg | t5yuauj64i5kk: you are, of course, welcome to compile vanilla 2.4.28 for your woody box though |
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| 15:32.50 | t5yuauj64i5kk | <t5yuauj64i5kk> Is 2.4.28 unstable in Woody? |
| 15:32.53 | t5yuauj64i5kk | <asg> t5yuauj64i5kk: no |
| 15:32.55 | t5yuauj64i5kk | ? |
| 15:33.09 | asg | t5yuauj64i5kk: woody comes with 2.2.20 and 2.4.18. That's it |
| 15:33.14 | ignatius | blah |
| 15:33.17 | daxxar | What an god-awful nick. |
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| 15:33.21 | ignatius | anyone else run an amd64? |
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| 15:33.34 | calin | yeah |
| 15:33.35 | ignatius | cause I'm having a weird problem |
| 15:33.42 | ignatius | calin: do you chroot for the 32 bit stuff? |
| 15:33.53 | calin | ignatius i don't mean to yer q |
| 15:33.58 | ignatius | oh |
| 15:33.58 | calin | i meant to "what an awful nick" |
| 15:34.01 | ignatius | oh |
| 15:34.05 | calin | yeah |
| 15:34.05 | ignatius | okay |
| 15:34.10 | calin | thank god for tab completion |
| 15:34.12 | calin | lol |
| 15:34.22 | ignatius | well |
| 15:34.32 | t5yuauj64i5kk | hehe, alternate nick |
| 15:34.37 | calin | err |
| 15:34.39 | calin | actually |
| 15:34.46 | daxxar | Thank you. :D |
| 15:34.52 | calin | thank whoever made bitchx/irc clients with tab completion |
| 15:35.01 | daxxar | x) |
| 15:35.03 | ignatius | I installed firefox in my chroot so I could run the flash plugin |
| 15:35.09 | ignatius | but the flash plugin has no sound? |
| 15:35.13 | ignatius | meh? |
| 15:35.13 | ratonn | just had my first ever debian crash |
| 15:35.13 | ratonn | :( |
| 15:35.30 | ignatius | so like - I can watch strongbad, but I can't listen to him. |
| 15:35.34 | ignatius | it's very sad |
| 15:35.52 | calin | awe |
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| 15:38.03 | ignatius | but as usual |
| 15:38.11 | ignatius | this channel is worthless |
| 15:38.25 | calin | heh |
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| 15:38.30 | calin | try #amd64? |
| 15:38.52 | ignatius | yeah |
| 15:38.54 | ignatius | right |
| 15:39.00 | calin | lol |
| 15:39.07 | ignatius | there's three people in #amd64 right now... including me |
| 15:39.14 | calin | hahaha |
| 15:39.18 | ignatius | anyway |
| 15:39.26 | ignatius | I'm going to bounce back to dalnet |
| 15:39.27 | calin | mmmm |
| 15:39.29 | ignatius | you guys take it easy |
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| 15:39.39 | calin | tombstone pizza, pork fried rice, and coke |
| 15:39.43 | racoontje | hi again |
| 15:39.55 | racoontje | Am I being blind or is Pypanel not in apt? |
| 15:39.57 | calin | who is again? |
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| 15:41.33 | ratonn | would debian by any chance log kernel panics? |
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| 15:42.00 | calin | pypanel is not in apt |
| 15:42.00 | rux | hi. does anybody here know if its's possible to make a fx5200 sending a composite signal through the s video port? stupid question I know |
| 15:42.35 | cahoot | ratonn: don't know if it's relevant but on my system there's /var/log/ksymoops |
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| 15:43.08 | racoontje | calin: that's what packages.debian.org thinks too. I've found a separate apt source, though |
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| 15:45.02 | ratonn | cahoot: anything else? |
| 15:45.14 | spl0it | I'm having a problem with my cdrom.. the symlink was missing (dunno why) and I set it up to point to /dev/hdc (where my cdrom is located) and I get a mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom if I try and mount anything.. I notice a ide-scsi error in dmesg... can someone point me in the right direction to get this working? help? :o |
| 15:45.28 | cahoot | ratonn: syslog maybe |
| 15:45.38 | racoontje | spl0it: don't create random symlinks in /dev. |
| 15:45.51 | racoontje | create symlinks FROM /dev/hdx'es, but not TO /dev/hdx'es ;-) |
| 15:46.07 | racoontje | spl0it: rm /dev/hdc && mknod /dev/hdc b errrr |
| 15:46.16 | racoontje | hey guys what's the major/minor nr for cdroms? |
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| 15:46.38 | racoontje | got it |
| 15:46.46 | racoontje | spl0it: rm /dev/hdc && mknod /dev/hdc b 22 0 |
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| 15:47.36 | racoontje | what's the proper way to set up xinitrc's? |
| 15:47.53 | spl0it | racoonte: same problem.. throwing an error trying to mount the cdrom :/ |
| 15:48.07 | racoontje | cat /proc/ide/hdc/model |
| 15:48.26 | spl0it | HL-DT-ST GCE-8160B |
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| 15:48.28 | cat | :{ |
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| 15:49.06 | racoontje | spl0it: at least it's recognized. |
| 15:49.16 | spl0it | ya thats a start :) |
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| 15:49.27 | spl0it | let me ensure it isn't the cd |
| 15:50.01 | spl0it | nope same error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 15:50.01 | spl0it | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.01 | spl0it | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.01 | spl0it | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:50.12 | spl0it | crap |
| 15:50.20 | calin | lol |
| 15:50.25 | racoontje | hmm |
| 15:50.35 | racoontje | is there a metapackage for installing release gpg keys? |
| 15:51.12 | asg | racoontje: there's a developer-keyring |
| 15:51.21 | spl0it | racoontje: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) <--thats the error when I try and mount it.... |
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| 15:51.46 | racoontje | asg: is that a deb in the apt repos? |
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| 15:52.01 | racoontje | asg: debian-keyring? |
| 15:52.04 | NotaClue | what is the safest way to remove a package in an unknown state? |
| 15:52.05 | asg | racoontje: yes, debian-keyring |
| 15:52.09 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 15:52.15 | racoontje | thansk |
| 15:52.26 | racoontje | asg: thanks! |
| 15:52.31 | asg | racoontje: you're welcome |
| 15:52.32 | racoontje | hi Daffy-PKF |
| 15:53.19 | spl0it | racoontje: the error in dmesg is long after the device is setup with sr0, ide-scsi and the correct driver is getting assigned I can see..the error is the last thing in dmesg, repeated a few times with diff. #'s same error though : ide-scsi: hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0) |
| 15:53.43 | racoontje | spl0it: sry no idea |
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| 15:54.29 | spl0it | ahhh getting the error in syslog right now: Jan 22 10:51:03 beer kernel: ide-scsi: hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0) |
| 15:54.56 | doub | spl0it: are you trying to mount /dev/hdc while ide-scsi is loaded? |
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| 15:55.27 | doub | spl0it: you have to use /dev/scd<some number> instead, in this case |
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| 15:55.36 | spl0it | hmm |
| 15:55.37 | racoontje | ide-scsi... ugh |
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| 15:55.59 | sciboy | Bah. "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device" |
| 15:55.59 | NotaClue | how do i determine the state of a package? |
| 15:56.15 | sciboy | This error sounds so fimiliar but i can't remember what i always did wrong. |
| 15:56.17 | racoontje | sciboy: cat /proc/scsi/[foo]? |
| 15:56.22 | asg | NotaClue: the first 3 characters of the line in dpkg -l output |
| 15:56.28 | racoontje | sciboy: using devfs? |
| 15:56.33 | doub | spl0it: ide-scsi emulates an SCSI cdrom from an IDE drive, but while it's loaded, hd<some letter> is unavailable |
| 15:56.34 | sciboy | racoontje, Nup. |
| 15:56.39 | RainbowW | i want to use a debian box as a vpn server, permitting secure connections into my network from some w2k boxen, preferably without adding addl software to the w2k units. what is going to be the appropriate approach in terms of protocol? i'd like to w2k boxes to be able to access all network services as if they were local, through this connection. |
| 15:56.53 | spl0it | doub: ah I see... so how can I tell which sd device it is? |
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| 15:56.57 | clojster | how can I define keyboard Layout for console? |
| 15:57.03 | racoontje | spl0it: scd0 prolly |
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| 15:57.30 | doub | spl0it: if it's the only cdrom drive, it's scd0 |
| 15:57.42 | spl0it | okay, and I just mount it the same as I would /dev/hdc? |
| 15:57.42 | dSV3Hl | heh |
| 15:57.43 | calin | lol @ kurtak |
| 15:57.46 | NotaClue | asg ok, Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed <-- what does this mean? |
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| 15:57.57 | Mr|Dave | RainbowW: look into poptop |
| 15:58.00 | asg | NotaClue: those are the possible status values. |
| 15:58.00 | kreon | is there a way to tell apt-get not to install dependencies? |
| 15:58.11 | doub | spl0it: yes, that's the same drive, except it speaks SCSI, not ATAPI (which is quite the same actually) |
| 15:58.14 | asg | NotaClue: what does the package line begin with? 'ii', 'pn', ? |
| 15:58.15 | resiak | kreon: The whole point of apt-get is that it does install dependencies. |
| 15:58.16 | kreon | ie, i want enlightenment-epplets but not enlightenment |
| 15:58.18 | dSV3Hl | kron: thats what apt does |
| 15:58.27 | resiak | kreon: If you didn't need the dependencies, they wouldn't be dependencies. |
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| 15:58.31 | spl0it | doub: sweet you were right |
| 15:58.34 | spl0it | doub: thanks |
| 15:58.38 | spl0it | racoontje: thanks |
| 15:58.45 | calin | kreon: then download it manually and install it youerself? |
| 15:58.47 | kreon | resiak: i know.. but i compiled e16.7.1 and installed it by hand |
| 15:58.54 | kreon | calin: yeah i thought so.. |
| 15:58.58 | calin | lol |
| 15:58.59 | NotaClue | asg iU |
| 15:59.04 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.16 | resiak | kreon: I understand that E comes with a good debian/rules , so you could have compiled it to a .deb with that. |
| 15:59.23 | resiak | !tell clojster about keymap |
| 15:59.32 | asg | NotaClue: you want to install it and it's unpacked (try apt-get -f install) |
| 15:59.59 | NotaClue | asg it's messing up my system, i want to safely get rid of it |
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| 16:00.15 | cat | Anyone know a good video encoding program? |
| 16:00.17 | asg | NotaClue: then apt-get remove --purge <pkg> |
| 16:00.37 | kreon | resiak: i'm thinking of build a .deb for the new enlightenment, but i'm still new to debian... so it will take me some time |
| 16:00.46 | doub | cat: mencoder is good. i also heard of transcode |
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| 16:00.58 | racoontje | how can I tell apt-get to ignore deps? |
| 16:01.07 | kreon | lol |
| 16:01.08 | resiak | kreon: Here's what you do. Untar the source, cd into its directory. Run "debian/rules binary". Install the resulting .deb :) |
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| 16:01.12 | resiak | racoontje: Uh. |
| 16:01.18 | racoontje | !tell kreon about lol |
| 16:01.41 | NotaClue | asg there are several associated packages, but apt-get remove --purge <pkg> only wants to purge the main one |
| 16:01.45 | calin | lah |
| 16:01.45 | resiak | kreon: Or, at least, that's what directhex (who isn't here right now) did. |
| 16:01.51 | calin | !tell calin about lol |
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| 16:01.56 | chugga | !tell chugga about lol |
| 16:02.03 | calin | hehe |
| 16:02.04 | resiak | calin, chugga: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 16:02.05 | asg | NotaClue: then purge that and the others as well (apt-get remove --purge <pkg1> <pkg2> ...) |
| 16:02.14 | racoontje | bot abuse :-| |
| 16:02.22 | resiak | !botabuse |
| 16:02.22 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 16:02.46 | NotaClue | asg oh, so i have to specify each one ... |
| 16:02.58 | asg | NotaClue: yes, in this case |
| 16:03.04 | ^m0se5 | hi all. Is there a qmail apt package or do you have to install it from source? |
| 16:03.12 | kurtak | Okay... so, i have this problem that i get no screen when i boot w/ an older kernel, which used to work fine. i made a new initrd image for that kernel b/c the original one was deleted (by dpkg). Now when i boot, everything looks okay, but the screen is totally blank after it trys to load gdm. and i can't get to any of the other tty's either. any hints?? |
| 16:03.37 | calin | can't get to any ttys? |
| 16:03.39 | asg | kurtak: apt-cache search qmail |
| 16:03.52 | calin | ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work? |
| 16:04.13 | doub | ^m0se5: there is a qmail-src package in non-free |
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| 16:04.18 | kurtak | calin: nah, ctrl+alt+anything doesn't work |
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| 16:04.25 | calin | kurtak: damn |
| 16:04.29 | resiak | !qmail |
| 16:04.30 | dpkg | [qmail] a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. |
| 16:04.32 | asg | calin: from a terminal, try chvt 1 |
| 16:04.33 | kurtak | I'm on a thinkpad |
| 16:04.43 | NotaClue | asg oh so of the other packages have different states, II IF and un ... is it ok to purge them all? |
| 16:04.50 | calin | asg: why me? |
| 16:04.52 | asg | NotaClue: yes, if you don't need them |
| 16:04.53 | kurtak | and using Mepix right now, under the original root |
| 16:05.07 | resiak | kurtak: mepis != debian. |
| 16:05.12 | asg | calin: just passing along information |
| 16:05.33 | kurtak | resiak: well, i'd like to use my debian again! |
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| 16:05.41 | kurtak | w/o having to reinstall everything |
| 16:05.45 | calin | asg: I was asking kurtak, but that's interesting, thanks! |
| 16:05.56 | asg | calin: you're welcome |
| 16:05.57 | resiak | kurtak: :) |
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| 16:06.43 | asg | !qmail =~ s/an MTA/a MTA/ |
| 16:06.44 | dpkg | asg: OK |
| 16:07.04 | Rawplayer | !sendmail |
| 16:07.04 | dpkg | well, sendmail is ask me to start an mta war. |
| 16:07.12 | Rawplayer | !mta war |
| 16:07.23 | Rawplayer | dpkg mta war |
| 16:07.23 | dpkg | Rawplayer: i haven't a clue |
| 16:07.25 | Rawplayer | k |
| 16:07.26 | kurtak | Sheeei*, so i'm kind of at a loss, and i'm not even sure what'd be the right questions to ask. what'd go wrong to make the screen act like that? |
| 16:07.32 | doub | !start an mta war |
| 16:07.32 | dpkg | smail has shitty documentation |
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| 16:07.47 | doub | Rawplayer: works better this way ;) |
| 16:07.48 | ^m0se5 | so exim is > then qmail? |
| 16:07.57 | Rawplayer | i use sendmail |
| 16:07.59 | Rawplayer | its fine for me |
| 16:08.05 | asg | ^m0se5: it depends |
| 16:08.11 | asg | !pity Rawplayer |
| 16:08.12 | dpkg | I pity da fool Rawplayer! |
| 16:08.22 | kurtak | Or better yet- what would some steps you might take to figure out how to fix the problem?? any takers? |
| 16:08.24 | resiak | !qmail =~ s/a MTA/an MTA/ |
| 16:08.24 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 16:08.27 | resiak | asg: Heh. |
| 16:08.34 | asg | !moron resiak |
| 16:08.35 | dpkg | resiak: You are moron #46 |
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| 16:08.44 | resiak | asg: No, "an MTA" is right! |
| 16:08.59 | ^m0se5 | asg, Short answer... depends on what? |
| 16:09.05 | asg | resiak: an is used before a vowel. M is not a vowel |
| 16:09.13 | thingfish | I agree, it should be an MTA. |
| 16:09.19 | asg | ^m0se5: what you want to do with your MTA |
| 16:09.21 | resiak | asg: Read out "a MTA". It sounds wrong. Read out "an MTA". It sounds right. |
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| 16:09.36 | asg | resiak: how it's pronounced has fuckall to do with grammer. |
| 16:09.53 | finrod | !moron asg |
| 16:09.53 | dpkg | asg: You are moron #48 |
| 16:10.00 | racoontje | asg: you're wrong actually |
| 16:10.03 | finrod | it actually has. |
| 16:10.05 | kurtak | k- cya around |
| 16:10.07 | racoontje | asg: an isn't used in front of a vowel |
| 16:10.20 | racoontje | asg: an is used in front of a vowel SOUND |
| 16:10.42 | thingfish | yes, racoontje |
| 16:10.46 | ^m0se5 | racoontje, example please. |
| 16:10.47 | racoontje | asg: for example, it's a university, not an university, even though u is a vowel |
| 16:10.48 | calin | and MTA's M sounds like ehm |
| 16:10.51 | calin | hence 'an' |
| 16:10.53 | racoontje | calin: exactly |
| 16:11.03 | calin | but |
| 16:11.05 | calin | for the hell of it |
| 16:11.07 | calin | ~moron calin |
| 16:11.09 | calin | err |
| 16:11.10 | asg | racoontje: do you have some documentation that indicates this? |
| 16:11.11 | calin | !moron calin |
| 16:11.12 | dpkg | calin: You are moron #40 |
| 16:11.14 | racoontje | asg: because "u" is pronounced "joooooo" |
| 16:11.14 | calin | =D |
| 16:11.28 | calin | actualy |
| 16:11.31 | racoontje | asg: does 15 years of native english speakingthingies count? |
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| 16:11.42 | calin | u is pronounced ioo |
| 16:11.44 | thingfish | do you say, "give me a S" or "give me an S" |
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| 16:12.03 | racoontje | asg: a(n) is defined based on phonetics, not writing |
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| 16:12.18 | calin | wait |
| 16:12.18 | calin | wtf |
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| 16:12.27 | asg | racoontje: ? Do you have a document indicating this? |
| 16:12.28 | calin | linux + irc + english |
| 16:12.33 | calin | what doesn't beling |
| 16:12.38 | calin | ... |
| 16:12.40 | calin | point proven |
| 16:13.16 | racoontje | asg: Got a nearby library? Try "English Grammar for Dummies" ;-) |
| 16:13.18 | clojster | does anybody know whats wrong? When I switch my keyboard layout with my defined shortcut in Xfree config, I can't write anything into fbrun dialog... |
| 16:13.24 | racoontje | asg: do you say a or an university |
| 16:13.26 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.34 | clojster | but when I switch it with xkbsel, everything is fine... |
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| 16:13.41 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.23 | asg | racoontje: what I 'say' and what is grammatically correct is not the issue. |
| 16:14.46 | resiak | asg: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=791953 |
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| 16:15.08 | vladkao | ok, just stop trolling |
| 16:15.26 | resiak | asg: For what it's worth, they say that both are legal in written English, so... Just a matter of taste, I guess. |
| 16:15.30 | asg | resiak: that is for facilitating pronounciation |
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| 16:15.47 | resiak | asg: The point is that both are legal, so why not use the one that sounds nice? |
| 16:15.49 | asg | resiak: I was referring to written English since IRC is not a verbal medium |
| 16:15.56 | asg | resiak: good idea |
| 16:16.03 | TummyAcid | real quick, where can i find instructions for upgrading woody to sarge? last time i think the instructions were not complete cos i hosed my install |
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| 16:16.20 | racoontje | TummyAcid: :-| why real quick? |
| 16:16.28 | asg | TummyAcid: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:16.28 | racoontje | TummyAcid: man apt |
| 16:16.36 | TummyAcid | well i hoped you would give me a page or FAQ |
| 16:16.37 | resiak | !hurry |
| 16:16.37 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
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| 16:16.51 | TummyAcid | instead of explaining in a sinle line |
| 16:17.11 | TummyAcid | cos thats what happened last night and either i listened to the wrong person or didnt follow instructions cos i hosed my install |
| 16:17.32 | resiak | TummyAcid: Read the dpkg factoid you were pointed to. That's the canonical way. |
| 16:17.47 | TummyAcid | alright i think dpkg will do thanx |
| 16:17.57 | racoontje | TummyAcid: change woody -> sarge in /etc/apt.conf && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:18.21 | valdyn | !woody->sarge |
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| 16:19.37 | Nexus | Ok.. So the current mysql package is buggy. How do I install an earlier package? |
| 16:19.55 | valdyn | !pdo |
| 16:19.55 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
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| 16:21.15 | thingfish | here you go, a couple grammar notes: http://www.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/determiners/determiners.htm |
| 16:21.42 | pimpwell | I really can't figure out why the lights arent going on on my modem |
| 16:21.51 | joujou | hey guys, i have a question for you, java complains when the class name is not the same as the file name when complaining by saying " class foo is public, should be declared in a file named foo.java", but class cannot take the private modifier? |
| 16:21.52 | pimpwell | I am getting some sort of error on boot but it goes too fast |
| 16:21.53 | joujou | get what i mean? |
| 16:22.09 | racoontje | pimpwell: dmesg |
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| 16:22.44 | thingfish | it talks about using a before words that start with vowels but are pronounced as if they started with consonants. |
| 16:22.47 | KillerBunny | joujou, are you sure the file has a class called the same? |
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| 16:23.21 | joujou | KillerBunny: I know this, im just wondering why the error message is that since you can't have a private class |
| 16:23.35 | pimpwell | racoon: it didnt show the error message I saw |
| 16:23.46 | KillerBunny | You can have private classes. |
| 16:23.53 | Nexus | So I searched for packages, but this still doesn't tell me how to find all versions available or how I might install it.... |
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| 16:24.53 | valdyn | !sdo |
| 16:25.08 | Nexus | I made a guess of apt-get install -t testing mysql-server-4.1 and now it wants to uninstall cacti?? |
| 16:25.46 | valdyn | Nexus: for all versions try snapshots.debian.org |
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| 16:26.09 | valdyn | !info cacti |
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| 16:26.22 | dpkg | cacti: (Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.5a-8 (sid), Packaged size: 705 kB, Installed size: 2300 kB |
| 16:27.09 | Nexus | Doesn't make sense why it would uninstall cacti in my opinion... |
| 16:27.38 | Nexus | valdyn, snapshots.debian.org isnt' responding.. You getting through to it? |
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| 16:28.04 | valdyn | Nexus: I'm not trying |
| 16:28.08 | ratm | hi, does it make sense to install mrtg on a one-user desktop monitor..or are their less complicated tools which just give me that information i want to know (avrg in/out and incoming data for a month or so) ? |
| 16:28.12 | vitriol | anybody here have experience building 686 debian packages? |
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| 16:28.25 | doublehp | is there a Debian way to get Linux bootsplash working on recent kernels ? I only found Debian patchs for 2.6.0 ... |
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| 16:28.30 | ixi-deb05 | hi |
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| 16:28.40 | vitriol | i was wondering if you could just build with CFLAGS set to 686, then specify 686 in the control file ...would the package work properly on a 386 debian system? |
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| 16:28.51 | valdyn | Nexus: i don't know if its mirrored, but either way if you're lucky the packet you're looking for is still in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 16:28.53 | valdyn | Nexus: i don't know if its mirrored, but either way if you're lucky the packet you're looking for is still in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:28.57 | ixi-deb05 | Is AcceleratedX is really so cool as they claim on their website? Anybody used it? |
| 16:29.03 | ixi-deb05 | s/is/ |
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| 16:29.44 | vitriol | anybody know? |
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| 16:29.50 | valdyn | ixi-deb05: not in general, though i haven't tried it, after reading a review i consider it to be a special purpse thing |
| 16:30.02 | arango | is bitkeeper available through apt-get ? |
| 16:30.19 | calin | arango use apache-cache search and find out |
| 16:30.22 | calin | errrrrr |
| 16:30.28 | calin | s/apache/apt/ |
| 16:30.35 | valdyn | arango: bitkeeper isnt free software so its defenitely not in debian |
| 16:30.50 | arango | calin: It could be in non-free |
| 16:31.18 | calin | i didn't say anything about it not being somewhere, address valdyn |
| 16:31.28 | valdyn | arango: im not sure, it poses severe restrictions on the user, so might not even be suited for non-free |
| 16:31.42 | arango | what's there besides main, non-free, and contrib ? |
| 16:31.49 | calin | bloatware |
| 16:31.54 | calin | ghostware |
| 16:31.56 | vitriol | crap |
| 16:31.57 | Phated | "not-in-debian" |
| 16:31.59 | tarzeau | goatware |
| 16:32.02 | calin | and /dev/null |
| 16:32.14 | Phated | "Only-for-Windows" |
| 16:32.18 | calin | ah |
| 16:32.18 | calin | yes |
| 16:32.19 | valdyn | arango: try google |
| 16:32.21 | calin | that's the one |
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| 16:33.42 | doublehp | are the prebuild kernels with bootsplash and other patches included ? |
| 16:33.43 | tarzeau | www.mtp-target.org now! |
| 16:34.15 | valdyn | i wonder though if the bitkeeper license is even legal in europe / germany |
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| 16:34.57 | doublehp | valdyn: would you mean that any european citizen could break bitkeeper ? |
| 16:35.14 | valdyn | doublehp: just wondering, ianal |
| 16:35.15 | racoontje | valdyn: why's that |
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| 16:35.33 | valdyn | im not a lawyer |
| 16:35.54 | racoontje | valdyn: I know what ianal means, I'm just not familiar with the bk license... what does it say generally |
| 16:36.29 | valdyn | racoontje: something like: if you use it then youre not permitted to develop versioning systems |
| 16:36.34 | Nexus | I'm trying to install the unstable mysql-server but it says the package is up to date, even though it's obviously not... Is there special syntax other than apt-get install -t unstable mysql-server? |
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| 16:36.52 | valdyn | s/versioning systems/version control systems/ |
| 16:36.52 | calin | nexus apt-get update? |
| 16:36.53 | doublehp | valdyn: French police say that" everybody is expect to know the law" ; I cant belive any body on earth can learn by heart more than 100 000 pages of laws ... ( or maybe exept those two special guys in america ) |
| 16:36.55 | racoontje | valdyn: so noone on the kernel dev team can work on cvs? |
| 16:37.07 | Nexus | calin, Just ran it but no go... |
| 16:37.12 | calin | no idear then |
| 16:37.15 | doublehp | valdyn: -> nobody can /know/ the law |
| 16:37.19 | valdyn | racoontje: not everybody in the kernel dev team uses bitkeeper |
| 16:37.26 | Aplus-ora | how do I reconfigure my LAN settings, like how do I rerun the wizzard used in the installation |
| 16:37.49 | doublehp | Aplus-ora: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:38.01 | arango | How do I check which glibc version I have ? |
| 16:38.26 | |rufius| | arango: dpkg -l glibc |
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| 16:38.28 | calin | update it then go see what the current version is |
| 16:38.32 | calin | lol |
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| 16:38.48 | |rufius| | hrm |
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| 16:38.59 | calin | technically works |
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| 16:39.16 | valdyn | arango: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 16:39.19 | |rufius| | arango: actually its 'dpkg -l libc6' |
| 16:40.08 | arango | thanks |
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| 16:44.50 | Sandman | What incentive does a company which forks a software, that's BSD licensed, have to contribute back to the project from which it forked? I can think of one: A larger company develops a technology, and is filing for a patent. Competitor releases software to forked project's upstream, BSD licensed, thereby invalidating the patent which was pending (since it is now in the public domain) |
| 16:45.02 | Sandman | As a form of competition. |
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| 16:45.54 | Sandman | Was just looking for help in understanding the good-points of both licensing types (that which provides freedom to people (BSD), and that which provides freedom to software (GPL)) |
| 16:46.02 | FieldySnuts | probably best to ask a lawyer |
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| 16:46.04 | Sandman | _more_ freedom to the respective elements, that is. |
| 16:46.08 | RichiH | Sandman: unless we are talking charity or sheer stupidity/randomness, _everything_ a company is for competition |
| 16:46.08 | MaRcIo | whats folk |
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| 16:46.37 | RichiH | Sandman: actually, gpl is freedom to the people |
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| 16:46.44 | Sandman | RichiH: Under the context of competition, what competitive advantage could contributing to the BSD-licensed project from which you forked offer a company? |
| 16:46.46 | RichiH | Sandman: bsd is freedom for a single person/entity |
| 16:46.57 | Sandman | from which _it_ forked, I mean. |
| 16:47.06 | FieldySnuts | @lart the windows machines on the LAN at work for bombarding the linux systems firewalls with useless broadcasts |
| 16:47.08 | Sandman | RichiH: That's an interesting way of looking at it. |
| 16:47.10 | RichiH | Sandman: good relations to the community, making geeks buy your stuff |
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| 16:47.47 | RichiH | Sandman: well, with the gpl, you give up a part of your own freedom in order to give freedom to the larger group |
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| 16:48.10 | Sandman | RichiH: Right. It's also somewhat inhibitory to making money off the software, in my opinion. |
| 16:48.12 | RichiH | Sandman: the needs of the many.. :) |
| 16:48.19 | Sandman | Not _very_ obstructive, but a little. |
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| 16:48.47 | Sandman | GPL works well with SOA-type software, since money isn't made off the software. |
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| 16:48.50 | RichiH | Sandman: give away the lamp and sell the oil (rockefeller) |
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| 16:49.03 | pimpwell | I have a compaq NIC card |
| 16:49.12 | RichiH | the services are were the software money will come from in the future, imho |
| 16:49.13 | pimpwell | im trying to fidn the correct drivers for it |
| 16:49.19 | pimpwell | best place to look is? |
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| 16:49.28 | RichiH | even the more specialised niches are filled with foss stuff |
| 16:49.40 | pimpwell | debian seems to support only a handful of NIC cards on installation |
| 16:49.56 | RichiH | pimpwell: install sarge using the 2.6 kernel |
| 16:49.57 | jag9 | do i need to download all 3 debian iso's? |
| 16:50.02 | RichiH | jag9: no |
| 16:50.04 | pw | No. |
| 16:50.04 | pimpwell | ricihii I am |
| 16:50.05 | RichiH | !netinstall |
| 16:50.06 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 16:50.06 | pw | Just the first one. |
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| 16:50.16 | jag9 | pw, thanks |
| 16:50.20 | doleyb | jag9: there are 14 debian isos, but you definatiely dont need em all |
| 16:50.27 | pimpwell | I'm at the point its looking for my NIC card |
| 16:50.29 | Phated | 3? It's been a long time since there were only *3* Debian CDs. |
| 16:50.30 | RichiH | jag9: you want the daily build of the netinstall iso for sarge |
| 16:50.34 | pimpwell | and can't find a maching driver |
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| 16:51.08 | RichiH | pimpwell: hmm. boot knoppix and see what that to it. else, groups.google.com |
| 16:51.23 | pimpwell | I am asking the best place to find drivers |
| 16:51.24 | doleyb | jag9: there was this idiot who downloaded 10 debian isos, couldn't get it installed right, and shattered 10 cdrs in anger. |
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| 16:51.49 | doleyb | pimpwell: generally you don't need to find them, most drivers are included. |
| 16:51.54 | Sandman | RichiH: I like opensource software. But I generally like closed-source software more, as it tends to be of greater quality (MM Flash for example, hate me if you wish on that) |
| 16:51.59 | RichiH | pimpwell: and i am telling you groups.google.com |
| 16:52.01 | pimpwell | theres a list of like 30, thats all |
| 16:52.09 | pimpwell | in my installtion build with sarge |
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| 16:52.11 | Sandman | RichiH: The major issue with opensource for me is lack of standards. |
| 16:52.16 | jcarr_ | "In addition, nine boxes of exhibits to IBM's Motion for Partial Summary Judgment on its Counterclaim for Copyright Infringement (8th Counterclaim) consist of Linux source code, which is and should be publicly available. However, SCO designated as confidential Linux source code produced by it in discovery, which IBM submitted with its motion. For this reason, these nine boxes of exhibits were filed under seal. (Docket No. 243.)" |
| 16:52.26 | doleyb | Sandman: I wish macromedia flash was higher quality. And I REALLY wish I could recompile it for amd64 debian! |
| 16:52.26 | jcarr_ | hahhahahah.. they filed linux code under seal :) |
| 16:52.39 | jag9 | RichiH, why is that recommended over debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 16:52.51 | Sandman | RichiH: Tell me this: What if m$ were manned by Good people, with a license which allowed the source to be distributed, but not copied freely? However, you as an individual could do what you wish with it in your own home |
| 16:53.01 | doleyb | Sandman: If you think closed source has high standards, you haven't seen enough of it. |
| 16:53.01 | tarzeau | doleyb: i hope the go backrupt! |
| 16:53.01 | RichiH | Sandman: generalising quality on either side is vry risky to your line of argument :) |
| 16:53.08 | Sandman | RichiH: Legal protection of Intellectual Property, while providing freedom |
| 16:53.20 | RichiH | jag9: because the software is newer by about two years |
| 16:53.22 | spl0it | anyone ever get baldurs gate 2 to work in wine? |
| 16:53.27 | caphuso | spl0it: yes |
| 16:53.28 | Sandman | doleyb: Not all closed software is nice. Some of it sucks. Just like everything else in business |
| 16:53.29 | tarzeau | Sandman: that'd suck |
| 16:53.38 | Sandman | doleyb: You'll find the same in opensource software. |
| 16:53.41 | jag9 | RichiH, :) thanks |
| 16:53.41 | tarzeau | Sandman: it is not freedom if you can't share your improvements |
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| 16:53.51 | RichiH | jag9: good reason, eh? ;) |
| 16:53.52 | spl0it | caphuso: how did you install it? |
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| 16:53.55 | tarzeau | Sandman: that's why open source sucks, and free software is the real thing |
| 16:54.02 | RichiH | jag9: be sure to press f2 at boot time and select the 2.6 kernel |
| 16:54.33 | RichiH | Sandman: if ms were manned by nice people they would never be in today's position |
| 16:54.34 | caphuso | spl0it: with wine |
| 16:54.42 | Sandman | tarzeau: I don't like that "free" idea. People are free to earn their freedom. |
| 16:54.51 | RichiH | tarzeau: notice i was talking about foss :) |
| 16:54.56 | spl0it | caphuso: from the cd's? soon as the setup.exe starts for me it seems to be locking up.. I left it for 10minutes and no change |
| 16:55.03 | Sandman | tarzeau: You can share your ideas and thoughts about a software with the aforementioned license |
| 16:55.11 | caphuso | spl0it: bad luck |
| 16:55.13 | tarzeau | RichiH: there is no need to mention open source or source if you talk about free software |
| 16:55.14 | Sandman | tarzeau: As well as make your own patches and do as you like. |
| 16:55.25 | pot | what the hell is NICE people anyway? |
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| 16:55.39 | spl0it | copying the cd's to the harddrive, going to try it from the hd |
| 16:55.46 | tarzeau | Sandman: still you wouldn't be allowed to create a ready-to-use distribution out of whatever it is |
| 16:55.46 | Sandman | tarzeau: In fact, with such a license, the patchsets you create, if popular, would be supported by upstream, thereby adding merit and benefit to your contributions! |
| 16:55.59 | Sandman | tarzeau: upstream being a corporation or money-handling entity of some kind |
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| 16:56.18 | doleyb | Sandman: upstream would support them? totally wrong. As you can see from history (minix) |
| 16:56.19 | RichiH | tarzeau: with all the confusion that is about lately, i prefer to just state foss. either people understand the term or not. if they do, they _know_ what it is about. if they don't, i can explain properly |
| 16:56.27 | Sandman | tarzeau: Right. And if everyone did that, think about the lack of standards. It would be terrible. |
| 16:56.32 | Sandman | doleyb: minix wasn't a corporate upstream |
| 16:56.36 | Sandman | doleyb: Not a real one, at least. |
| 16:56.56 | Sandman | tarzeau: Chaos. It's important for software developers to be paid, imho. |
| 16:57.01 | doleyb | Sandman: For example, if you write a patch that makes a $70 product as good as that company's $500 line, they will NOT accept that patch. |
| 16:57.08 | tarzeau | Sandman: what happens with the works when the company goes backrupt? we've seen it alots of times |
| 16:57.16 | RichiH | doleyb: minix had a special purpose: to teach people about OSes by being simple to understand |
| 16:57.17 | tarzeau | Sandman: the software is lost, no matter how good it was |
| 16:57.20 | doleyb | Sandman: there are many kinds of features that users would like to add, and corps don't want them to have. |
| 16:57.24 | RichiH | doleyb: it stayed true to that intention |
| 16:57.25 | jag9 | RichiH, i can't find the netinstall iso on debian.org? does it go by a different name? |
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| 16:57.36 | tarzeau | Sandman: i never said it's not important to have software developers paid |
| 16:57.38 | RichiH | jag9: let me get you the link |
| 16:57.49 | jag9 | RichiH, found it |
| 16:57.50 | jag9 | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:57.51 | Sandman | doleyb: Sure they would. And then _they'd_ market it =) |
| 16:57.52 | jag9 | thanks though |
| 16:57.55 | spl0it | caphuso: its crashing trying to run some ikernel.exe thing, no ideas? |
| 16:58.01 | Sandman | doleyb: And support it. And if you're good, they'd likely employ you. |
| 16:58.02 | caphuso | spl0it: no |
| 16:58.17 | doleyb | Sandman: No they wouldn't. That's cannibalization, MBA 101. |
| 16:58.22 | RichiH | jag9: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 16:58.29 | Sandman | tarzeau: Well, if it's a good company, the sources might be opened, as ID did with quake2 |
| 16:58.40 | RichiH | jag9: i would go for the daily, not the rc2 |
| 16:58.46 | tarzeau | Sandman: there's hardly good companies |
| 16:58.55 | Sandman | tarzeau: But there are good companies as well as bad. So it's a matter of choice. |
| 16:59.00 | RichiH | Sandman: no. see what cisco did to linksys |
| 16:59.07 | Sandman | tarzeau: I disagree with you thoroughly on that one. |
| 16:59.15 | tarzeau | Sandman: look what sun did to openstep and lighthouse applications |
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| 16:59.22 | doleyb | Sandman: Many hobby programmers don't want to worry a bad company will use their code. |
| 16:59.35 | doleyb | Sandman: So they use GPL isntead of BSD, and dont have that problem. |
| 16:59.36 | jag9 | RichiH, thanks for your help |
| 16:59.38 | tarzeau | Sandman: look what ibm did with lotus improv |
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| 16:59.49 | Sandman | tarzeau: links? |
| 16:59.59 | jcarr_ | Sun iz a good company |
| 17:00.06 | RichiH | jag9: np, glad to help :) |
| 17:00.09 | doleyb | ibm is bad company, but linux's GPL forces them to be good. |
| 17:00.09 | jcarr_ | Open Sourcerors |
| 17:00.16 | tarzeau | Sandman: sure: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/32963.html , http://www.linuks.mine.nu:81/gnustep/sun/ |
| 17:00.19 | jcarr_ | doleyb, I agree... |
| 17:00.20 | tarzeau | jcarr_: bullshit! |
| 17:00.28 | jcarr_ | I hope they lose their case againt SCO |
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| 17:00.45 | tarzeau | doleyb: only where it can |
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| 17:01.01 | green_earz | hi all and dose a standard install of sarge use pan or shadow for password authentication ? |
| 17:01.12 | tarzeau | green_earz: you can choose |
| 17:01.16 | jcarr_ | seriously.. how is IBM bad? I can't use other Enterprise level database systems like DB2 for my own personal use to learn |
| 17:01.19 | caphuso | green_earz: pan? |
| 17:01.25 | tarzeau | jcarr_: they are |
| 17:01.26 | green_earz | sorry pam |
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| 17:01.38 | caphuso | green_earz: of course .and it uses shadowed passwords if you don't tell it not to |
| 17:01.43 | RichiH | jcarr_: you are obviously too young to remember :) |
| 17:01.48 | green_earz | thanks |
| 17:02.11 | Nexus | jcarr_, Big Blue is Bad, or so they tell me. I'm in your boat. I don't know why they are bad... But everyone says they are. |
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| 17:02.38 | Nexus | Can anyone help me figure out how to install mysql-common-4.0.23-3? |
| 17:02.53 | tarzeau | dpkg tell Nexus about ask |
| 17:02.55 | error | I'm thinking of switching to debian, is it easy to use? |
| 17:02.55 | RichiH | Nexus: read up on history :) |
| 17:03.01 | tarzeau | error: yes |
| 17:03.08 | RichiH | error: are you familiar with linux? |
| 17:03.16 | error | like if i want to install dosfsutils, how would I do that in debian |
| 17:03.20 | tarzeau | RichiH: but but debian ain't only linux! |
| 17:03.21 | error | I currently run gentoo |
| 17:03.27 | tarzeau | RichiH: maybe he wants hurd or kfreebsd |
| 17:03.30 | RichiH | !tell error about search |
| 17:03.32 | Phated | apt-get install dosfsutils? Anyways it's dosfstools. |
| 17:03.34 | RichiH | tarzeau: heh |
| 17:03.37 | caphuso | tarzeau: nobody wants hurd |
| 17:03.43 | jcarr_ | Nexus, people don't like IBM because they used to be very bad |
| 17:03.47 | jcarr_ | especially in the 80s |
| 17:03.48 | caphuso | and the *BSD ports are far from being usable |
| 17:03.54 | tarzeau | jcarr_: they are also bad these days |
| 17:03.55 | RichiH | caphuso: the gnu wants it! |
| 17:04.00 | RichiH | the gnu, the gnu! |
| 17:04.03 | jcarr_ | IBM was the microsoft of most of the twentieth century |
| 17:04.11 | caphuso | RichiH: they want it for what, 20 years now? |
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| 17:04.14 | veleno | how do I modify font color of Eterm ? |
| 17:04.15 | jcarr_ | tarzeau, how? |
| 17:04.28 | Sandman | jcarr_: There will always be a "microsoft" in all markets. |
| 17:04.31 | jcarr_ | IBM sends me awesome RUP kits |
| 17:04.32 | tarzeau | jcarr_: midrange hardware can't be run without licenses |
| 17:04.39 | Nexus | My question is why isn't apt-get -t unstable install mysql-common installing the version of mysql taht I need? |
| 17:04.40 | pimpwell | does drivers end in .inf? for linux? |
| 17:04.46 | Nexus | Isthe syntax wrong? |
| 17:04.48 | tarzeau | jcarr_: the hardware can be bought at ebay though, not so the licenses |
| 17:04.58 | Cabbage | pimpwell> No, they end in ".ko" if they're loadable kernel modules. |
| 17:04.58 | tarzeau | jcarr_: and scroll back for the software i mentioned |
| 17:05.01 | RichiH | error: the main difference between gentoo and debian from a package-install point of view is that you wait less time for stuff to install and that you get better presets and the config files have useful commments |
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| 17:05.26 | tarzeau | veleno: #e |
| 17:05.27 | Lee__ | this kernel 2.6.8-1-686-smp from Sarge doesn't play nice with IDE hardware. SCSI gets detected but not IDE. The non-smp version work as expected. |
| 17:05.33 | Nexus | error, I run gentoo for desktop and debian for server... |
| 17:05.52 | Lee__ | google doesn't say much about the issue |
| 17:05.54 | RichiH | Nexus: you need an unstable source for that, too |
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| 17:06.38 | Nexus | RichiH, What do you mean? |
| 17:06.42 | RichiH | Nexus: look in your sources.list -- but if you can't do it with that pointer, you probably should not use a package from unstable, anyway.. |
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| 17:06.49 | pimpwell | so If I save a file as .ko in windows notepad, it will be fine for linux on a floppy? |
| 17:07.04 | Lee__ | woah. |
| 17:07.09 | Nexus | RichiH, Well, unfortunatly the testing version is broken for what I need. |
| 17:07.09 | Cabbage | pimpwell> No. What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 17:07.27 | pimpwell | my linux box needs drivers for the NIC, I found the drivers on my windows box |
| 17:07.32 | tarzeau | Nexus: that's not a reason to read the sid faq |
| 17:07.33 | RichiH | pimpwell: linux does not care about file extensions. your umlauts etc will be borked. but the rest will work, yes |
| 17:07.37 | tarzeau | dpkg sid faq |
| 17:07.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 17:07.58 | Cabbage | pimpwell> You normally can't use a Windows driver under the Linux OS. You have to use the Linux driver. |
| 17:08.14 | tarzeau | Cabbage: heh, if it exists |
| 17:08.18 | WuN | When ever I try and apt-get install a KDE package, apt-get says it will need to install a whole wack of other packages (stuff like kbattleship that superkaramba PROBIBLY dosent depend on), that it will have to upgrade a whole screenfull more and it will have to remove kde and kdepim... Any ideas on whats going on? |
| 17:08.25 | Cabbage | tarzeau> indeed/ |
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| 17:08.42 | tarzeau | WuN: stop using kde? |
| 17:08.46 | tarzeau | WuN: or live with it |
| 17:09.04 | Lee__ | KDE likes games |
| 17:09.09 | Lee__ | games are fun |
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| 17:09.21 | tarzeau | you can have excellent games without kde |
| 17:09.23 | Nexus | tarzeau, I don't understand what you mean? There is an actual bug in 4.0.23-1 that is fixed in 23-3. Without it, nagios is useless. |
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| 17:09.42 | tarzeau | Nexus: what about you get the fixed 23-3 then? |
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| 17:09.49 | Cabbage | pimpwell> For some wireless network card drivers, "ndiswrapper" allows you to use a Windows XP driver. However, in general you need a Linux driver for your hardware. |
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| 17:09.57 | WuN | this machine is for my family thou... and they don't like any of the alternatives to KDE |
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| 17:10.05 | Solaris | mornin' |
| 17:10.07 | Lee__ | holy crap! bugs.debian.org has my problem! and it's fixed now! |
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| 17:10.20 | Nexus | tarzeau, That is exactly what I've been trying to do! And it's not working. apt-get -t unstable install mysql-common is NOT installing that version and I have no idea why. |
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| 17:10.27 | tarzeau | WuN: did you try gnustep? |
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| 17:10.39 | tarzeau | Nexus: are you pinning? |
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| 17:10.47 | Zap-W | what to use for sil 3112 SATA ? it says to use liata in SCSI subsystem , but i dont have a scsi controller |
| 17:10.47 | Cabbage | WuN> Probably the package you're instaling depends on a library version which is newer than the one you have installed. That in turn forces an upgrade of the other programs that depend on it. |
| 17:10.49 | tarzeau | Nexus: your mirror is up to date? |
| 17:10.50 | websdale | WuN: which debian/kde are you using? |
| 17:10.51 | WuN | tarzeau: No, I havent |
| 17:11.06 | tarzeau | WuN: how can you say they don't like any of the alternatives to kde then? |
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| 17:11.29 | Nexus | tarzeau, What is pinning? I did apt-get update this morning. sources.list has the following. |
| 17:11.31 | WuN | I think debian 3.1 and KDE 3.2 |
| 17:11.37 | WuN | but I could be wrong |
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| 17:11.44 | Solaris | I need a little help, a couple (just like 3, so far) are annoying. I like debian because it doesn't have any 'imbuned' looks like mandrake or suse in the interface. I need these issues solved or i may be forced to switch to another distro or back to winblows (ewww :\) |
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| 17:11.49 | Nexus | deb ftp://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ testing main |
| 17:11.49 | Nexus | deb-src ftp://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ testing main |
| 17:11.53 | WuN | tarzeau: excuse me, any of the alternative I've tried |
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| 17:12.00 | tarzeau | Nexus: well that's testing and not unstable |
| 17:12.16 | colde89 | did sombody know how to stop this message at boot-time: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout ? |
| 17:12.17 | racoontje | yelp! |
| 17:12.18 | tarzeau | Nexus: most probably the package you want is not yet it testing |
| 17:12.26 | valdyn | !tell solaris about ask |
| 17:12.26 | Nexus | tarzeau, I keep mixing the 2 up.. Ok. So I need to add a line for unstable? |
| 17:12.32 | racoontje | I keep installing libpango1.0-0 but it keeps coming back in apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:12.34 | tarzeau | WuN: :) |
| 17:12.41 | tarzeau | Nexus: and remove the ones for testing |
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| 17:13.34 | Nexus | tarzeau, And then I just switch it back after I"m done? |
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| 17:13.48 | Nexus | !mirror |
| 17:13.54 | tarzeau | Nexus: NO! |
| 17:14.02 | tarzeau | Nexus: you can't go back |
| 17:14.05 | valdyn | racoontje: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 17:14.10 | tarzeau | Nexus: did you read the sid faq? |
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| 17:14.28 | Solaris | ok, i downloaded the kernel source to compile some stuff i need for NDISWRAPPER (broadcom != native linux compatibility). The source is missing the /build directory where ndiswrapper's makefile is looking for it. I quickly scanned the source directory structure to see if i could find it, no luck. I'm stuck here, what do i do? |
| 17:14.43 | La_Tortuga | Hello, i am running Debian in viritual PC and when I start it in full screen the the dbeian stuff is very small just a little part in the middle of the screen, If you tell Viritual PC to have the same resouloution on the guest and host operativ systems, It will look right, but with both settings, the Gnome desktop maneger will not fit into the screen oly the top right corner will be visible. Anyone her that have used debian in viritual PC |
| 17:14.49 | gurubie | Oh %^*# ! Much refrain from profanity going on here! OK, but I'm still positive. It just I'm so deep in layers of Sarge minusia. So I'll attempt to be concise form here on. Which kernel should I use? Is going for 2.6.10 to far for building ndiswrapper to obtain internet access and therefore build up a slick Sid system? |
| 17:14.57 | Solaris | i used apt-get install <insert-source-code-name-here> |
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| 17:15.12 | Solaris | it is kernel 2.6.8 |
| 17:15.12 | valdyn | Solaris: you probably have only kernel-headers installed, not kernel-source |
| 17:15.19 | Tomosius | when i reboot i see only black screen, init 5 ---> starting anac(h)ronostic cron:deffered while on battery power what is wrong? why there is no KDE or GNOME? |
| 17:15.25 | gurubie | Solaris: Welcome to my nightmare :) |
| 17:15.32 | Solaris | i am running sarge, could you save me some time and tell me how to install the source then :) |
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| 17:15.57 | Nexus | tarzeau, I'm reading it currently. So what you are saying is that once you install a single unstable package you have to go all unstable? |
| 17:16.00 | valdyn | Solaris: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 17:16.08 | tarzeau | Nexus: basically yes |
| 17:16.10 | Solaris | ok |
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| 17:16.25 | takatumi | gurubie: that'll work only with 2.6.10? |
| 17:16.25 | tarzeau | Nexus: i don't see what's wrong with it if you don't whine about broken things |
| 17:16.35 | tarzeau | Nexus: (with using sid i mean) |
| 17:16.42 | wntd | that was painless :) |
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| 17:17.01 | trueno | Hi! Is there a way to record the sound coming from a -flash- web page? |
| 17:17.05 | Nexus | tarzeau, I see. Well, it's a production server. |
| 17:17.20 | Nexus | tarzeau, Kind of lame that the "testing" version has a nasty bug in it. |
| 17:17.25 | tarzeau | Nexus: can people die if it stops running? |
| 17:17.31 | bobesponja | how can I configure grub to use that 2.6.10 I compiled? |
| 17:17.42 | gurubie | takatumi: Well i have to standardise on something. Why not 2.6.10, is my Q? |
| 17:17.48 | tarzeau | Nexus: you can try just pick that one package from sid. but you'll have to handle deps manually |
| 17:17.53 | Solaris | crap, i'm installing stuff with tasksel and i can't apt-get it O.o |
| 17:17.57 | caphuso | bobesponja: make sure it's in your menu.lst |
| 17:17.58 | Nexus | tarzeau, Yea, I have my aged grandmother hooked up to it... |
| 17:18.00 | Solaris | hold up |
| 17:18.12 | valdyn | bobesponja: did you use make-kpkg to compile it? |
| 17:18.21 | gurubie | ..this after attempt to match many other kernels for module building has failed |
| 17:18.26 | takatumi | gurubie: 2.6.10 is fine, but not on the regular install CD, so you'll need to get something installed and build on from there. |
| 17:19.25 | bobesponja | valdyn: no |
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| 17:19.31 | gurubie | takatumi: Yes I PAINstakingly transferred source and dependancies over to the internet less Srage install. |
| 17:19.33 | valdyn | Solaris: if tasksel works then apt-get ought to work too |
| 17:19.39 | Solaris | thank you guys so much tho, i'll try it out, if i still have problems, you'll hear from me again! |
| 17:19.57 | valdyn | bobesponja: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst manually or /msg dpkg kp and do it the debian way |
| 17:20.08 | gurubie | Solaris: What are you going to try next? |
| 17:20.10 | La_Tortuga | Hello, i am running Debian in viritual PC and when I start it in full screen the the dbeian stuff is very small just a little part in the middle of the screen, If you tell Viritual PC to have the same resouloution on the guest and host operativ systems, It will look right, but with both settings, the Gnome desktop maneger will not fit into the screen oly the top right corner will be visible. Anyone her that have used debian in viritual PC |
| 17:20.16 | websdale | Nexus:that's why its called "testing"- because you're testing it |
| 17:20.18 | Nexus | tarzeau, What I don't get is that the apt-get instructions say that you can do an apt-get -t unstable install package to get a single package from another branch... |
| 17:20.18 | takatumi | gurubie: and where did you get stuck? |
| 17:20.20 | Solaris | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:20.25 | Solaris | i coulda sworn i did this before |
| 17:20.30 | Solaris | let's see what apt says |
| 17:20.37 | tarzeau | Nexus: i don't know |
| 17:20.59 | valdyn | Solaris: installing that package is not enough, you need to extract it too, look into /usr/src after installing it |
| 17:21.01 | orjan | nexus /msg dpkg pinning and read the urls |
| 17:21.05 | Solaris | i already have that package |
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| 17:21.07 | Solaris | ok |
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| 17:21.35 | gurubie | Solaris: make sure your gcc is installed, and watch your links. You may havr to "start" your kernel compile to ste the headers right, I read. |
| 17:21.55 | valdyn | dont have to start it i guess, just configure the tree |
| 17:22.08 | caphuso | normally you'd just use the kernel headers for your running kernel |
| 17:22.11 | Solaris | i have the newest gcc (i think), i did an update all on tasksel |
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| 17:22.26 | Solaris | i'm not a linux genius, please don't get over my head :| |
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| 17:22.40 | valdyn | caphuso: ndiswrapper appears to need more than just the headers, according to solaris |
| 17:22.53 | gurubie | I've tried module-assitant as you might like it but I still have no success compliing ndiswrapper (which stinks but is my only otion given POS hardware) |
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| 17:23.09 | Solaris | the source has already been extracted |
| 17:23.11 | Solaris | i did this before |
| 17:23.14 | Solaris | yesterday |
| 17:24.00 | Solaris | no /build directory |
| 17:24.16 | valdyn | Solaris: now.. ( im not sure if thats needed but its not wrong anyway ): copy your current kernel config from /boot/config-$(uname -r) to <yourkernelsource>/.config |
| 17:24.20 | gurubie | Solaris: Looks like we've a similar task, just wanted to share what I've learned, Your milage may vary. :) |
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| 17:24.52 | Nexus | orjan, I'll do that. How do I find a good list of mirrors? |
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| 17:25.20 | Solaris | would that be config-2.6.8-1-386? |
| 17:25.27 | carrieH | holy shit at the ban list |
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| 17:26.02 | orjan | Nexus: just copy another row and change the testing to unstable ( in sources.list ) |
| 17:26.03 | gurubie | So what's broken with you 2.6.10 trailblazers out there. I'm tring to step back and get my goals straight. |
| 17:26.05 | valdyn | Solaris: could be, just "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) " etc |
| 17:26.16 | spl0it | caphuso: the error when installing bg2 is that ikernel.exe fails (because installsheilds installer isn't setup (obviously))...any idea how you set that up or installed the support for that? |
| 17:26.30 | gurubie | Solaris: Put my name in if you're asjing me. Bless your efforts... |
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| 17:27.05 | takatumi | gurubie: been running it for a few weeks, very stable so far. |
| 17:27.22 | wntd | Slightly off topic question, but how do I get more than four workspaces in Gnome? |
| 17:27.31 | takatumi | gurubie: haven't tried ndiswrapper though. |
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| 17:27.36 | valdyn | Solaris: say when you are done with that.. |
| 17:27.40 | Solaris | i did this: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:27.49 | veleno | anyone ported eclipse 3.0 to debian/unstable ? |
| 17:27.58 | gurubie | WHEN i get ndiswrapper working (I may fall abck to binary with 2.6.8) then I'm going to want the advantages of the newest kernel and need to recompile stuff anyway so. Is it wise to back off 2.6.10 and go to 2.9 or 2.8 or what? |
| 17:28.01 | Solaris | ok |
| 17:28.11 | Solaris | gurubie: i did this cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:28.15 | valdyn | Solaris: cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 && mv config-$(uname -r) .config |
| 17:28.16 | gurubie | based on experience and at this moment in time. |
| 17:28.20 | caphuso | spl0it: again, no |
| 17:28.29 | valdyn | Solaris: the copied file's name must be fixed to be ".config" |
| 17:28.41 | Solaris | valdyn: that last message to gurubie applies to you too :) |
| 17:28.46 | takatumi | gurubie: somehow get one working kernel and ndiswrapper going, you can roll as many kernels as you want later. |
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| 17:29.26 | cIclops | #kde suggest i ask here if there is an issue between kdmgreet and Debian 3.1 (2.6.8 kernel) |
| 17:29.26 | valdyn | Solaris: theres zero innate advantage of using 2.6.10 over debians 2.6.8 |
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| 17:29.35 | dude | f |
| 17:30.01 | Zrin | I created soft RAID1 for every partition except swap (sarge, 2.4.27). if one HD fails, do i have to partition (and format) a replacement HD? |
| 17:30.30 | carrieH | caphuso: you are welcomed to remove the ban on dross. I know you are probably just always upset because of irc. Its okay. |
| 17:30.30 | valdyn | Solaris: ymmv, either way you can just repeat what you do now for 2.6.10 if you wish to at any point |
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| 17:30.43 | dude | ls |
| 17:30.46 | Zrin | shall I create RAID for swap as well or is it ok to have 2 identical swap partitions on both disks? |
| 17:30.49 | caphuso | carrieH: what? |
| 17:30.52 | gurubie | takatumi: Yes that would be nice :) |
| 17:31.02 | carrieH | caphuso: I'm dross. |
| 17:31.19 | valdyn | Solaris: done yet? |
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| 17:31.35 | carrieH | caphuso: unfortunately theres a nice list of tor servers I know have to keep banned from al my servers |
| 17:31.40 | Tomosius | when i reboot i see only black screen, init 5 ---> starting anac(h)ronostic cron:deffered while on battery power what is wrong? why there is no KDE or GNOME? |
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| 17:32.13 | gurubie | So I'm getting the error 2 and error 127 on compiling ndiswrapper for a given kernel. but I have gcc installed so what's the deal? |
| 17:32.29 | FieldySnuts | Zrin: don't put swap on raid, there's no point. use two identical swap partitions and double your swap (putting it on raid is also much slower) |
| 17:32.36 | trueno | Hi! Is there a way to record the sound coming from a -flash- web page? |
| 17:32.59 | carrieH | trrecord directly from your sound driver |
| 17:33.05 | carrieH | trueno: ^^ |
| 17:33.10 | Zrin | FieldySnuts: thx - that is what I did. |
| 17:33.27 | Solaris | valdyn: done the copy, done the renaming |
| 17:33.31 | Zrin | FieldySnuts: when I'm installing a replacement HD, do I have to partition and format it first? |
| 17:33.34 | takatumi | gurubie: compiling against a kernel-source? |
| 17:33.39 | Solaris | valdyn: it seems to be a file and not a directory |
| 17:33.43 | gurubie | Solaris: Thanks, yes that's good for using the config for running kernel. |
| 17:33.45 | mh_le | how do i generate a new XF86Config-4?? |
| 17:33.48 | valdyn | Solaris: thats correct |
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| 17:34.18 | valdyn | Solaris: now "make oldconfig", your should _not_ have to answer question(s) if you did prior steps correctly |
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| 17:34.20 | FieldySnuts | Zrin: if you're using software raid, yes |
| 17:34.31 | trueno | carrieH: I don't know how to do it... Maybe just with cat /dev/audio? Where can I find more? |
| 17:34.32 | Solaris | valdyn / gurubie / whoever said it: sarge has 2.6.8, i did not choose 2.6.8, although i did enter 'linux26' at the netinstall prompt at boot |
| 17:34.36 | Zrin | FieldySnuts: thx! |
| 17:34.36 | takatumi | Tomosius: ATI graphics card? |
| 17:34.38 | FieldySnuts | if you're using hardware raid, it just has to be the same size |
| 17:34.43 | Lee__ | trueno: line out to a tape deck |
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| 17:34.47 | abrotman | Solaris: that is 2.6.8 |
| 17:35.02 | carrieH | trueno: you are going to need to encoode the raw data too... |
| 17:35.03 | mashon | mh_le: run "xf86config" |
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| 17:35.16 | Solaris | valdyn: is it suppost to go slow for 5 seconds then spew a shit load of stuff real fast? |
| 17:35.17 | carrieH | trueno: well.. kde has tools for recrding, even in bsd I can record and encode |
| 17:35.19 | takatumi | Tomosius: ah, black screen you mean with the login prompt? |
| 17:35.19 | trueno | Lee__: I just want to make a.wav out of it |
| 17:35.24 | valdyn | Solaris: yea |
| 17:35.29 | Solaris | valdyn: good |
| 17:35.40 | Lee__ | trueno: line out to a tape deck, line in to your sound card, record as .wav |
| 17:35.43 | carrieH | trueno: I don't use sound on linux.. it runs in qemu, I just use it to compile commercial apps ;) |
| 17:35.46 | Solaris | valdyn: what next? |
| 17:35.54 | Solaris | valdyn: brb, hold that thought |
| 17:36.00 | trueno | carrieH: sox should work, but I do not manage to get anything useful from it :-( |
| 17:36.11 | gurubie | takatumi: Yes, I went with matching headers and not full source. i even went ahead and compiled a 2.6.10 kernel (even though I have 2.6.10-k7 image install and working) but the 2.6.10 custom did not boot and I don't understand why it didn't setup initrd like my past kern compiles. |
| 17:36.14 | Lee__ | carrieH: sound on Linux is quite good if you know how to use it |
| 17:36.15 | Tomosius | takatumi yes |
| 17:36.32 | trueno | carrieH: Thanks anyhow :-) |
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| 17:36.37 | carrieH | Lee__: I don't need to have linux as a host OS |
| 17:36.41 | valdyn | Solaris: now your last step before compiling ndiswrapper, we need to make sure ndiswrapper finds your kernel source tree. Check where /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build points to. ( its a symbolic link ) |
| 17:36.41 | Lee__ | trueno: try rec |
| 17:36.51 | Lee__ | carrieH: that's nice. |
| 17:37.12 | Solaris | hold up |
| 17:37.16 | trueno | Lee__: That's what I have been doing with no result :-(. It does not want to write any output file... |
| 17:37.32 | racoontje | I keep installing libpango1.0-0 but it keeps coming back in apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:37.35 | gurubie | Solaris: Me too, i did fall back to 2.4.27 and tried matching all that up but no ndiswrapper success there (and I want 2.6 I think) |
| 17:37.36 | trueno | Lee__: rec -c 2 -r 44100 -s w -f a -t .wav test.wav |
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| 17:37.45 | takatumi | gurubie: if you are going the compile route, try and get rid of the initrd, if you need the initrd, use make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 17:37.48 | eddyp_away | I am using gnome and I have killed esd; I want to run krecord. I thought it needed artsd; when I try to start artsd I get this error: 'Error while initializing the sound driver: SNDCTL_DSP_SETFMT failed - Invalid argument " what does this mean? |
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| 17:38.04 | takatumi | Tomosius: have you installed KDE or gnome? |
| 17:38.06 | Solaris | gurubie: to my knowledge, hyper threading doesn't work on 2.4, am i incorrect? |
| 17:38.12 | birger | What is best bittorrent prog for debian? |
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| 17:38.21 | racoontje | birger: ctorrent |
| 17:38.22 | joujou | is it possible to remove the first 10 bytes from a number of files in bash? |
| 17:38.23 | racoontje | prolly |
| 17:38.25 | RichiH | !best |
| 17:38.26 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 17:38.29 | gurubie | takatumi: I though debian needed intrd for some reason.?.? |
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| 17:38.37 | Solaris | valdyn: all i have under modules is this: 2.6.8-1-386 2.6.8-2-686 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 17:38.38 | Solaris | 2.6.8-2-386 2.6.8-2-686-smp 2.6.8-2-k7-smp |
| 17:38.58 | Solaris | valdyn: no kernel-source-2.6.8 directory |
| 17:39.04 | birger | racoontje: thanks |
| 17:39.06 | valdyn | Solaris: "cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)" |
| 17:39.07 | Drizzt321 | I'm trying to install the mono packages from http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/, but the sources.list they gave doesn't seem to be working properly. gives me stat problems. anyone else have a problem with that? |
| 17:39.14 | trueno | Lee__: Any clue? |
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| 17:39.26 | Tomosius | i think so (sorry i'm just a begginer in linux ) |
| 17:39.36 | takatumi | gurubie: not if you compile root fs and related stuff static. |
| 17:39.42 | Solaris | valdyn: ok, nvm |
| 17:39.49 | Solaris | valdyn: >,< |
| 17:39.53 | gurubie | Solaris: AFAIK smp works with 2.4 but I have a singular K7 |
| 17:39.58 | valdyn | Solaris: please give me the output of $(uname -r) too, i want to make sure we are _really_ doing this for your running kernel |
| 17:40.12 | Solaris | valdyn: build doesn't seem to exist, i prolly need a link |
| 17:40.12 | birger | racoontje: what about bittornado? |
| 17:40.18 | takatumi | Tomosius: how did you install debian? |
| 17:40.21 | racoontje | dont know/use t |
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| 17:40.33 | Solaris | valdyn: /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386# |
| 17:40.49 | valdyn | Solaris: ls -l, "build" ought to be there |
| 17:40.51 | gurubie | takatumi: So the default kernel compile setting didn't work? |
| 17:41.21 | Tomosius | i'v downloaded 7 debian iso, burned theb, and tried to instal, it asked me for 1,2,4,7 CD, but there is only command line :( |
| 17:41.21 | Solaris | valdyn: all that lists is: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 2005-01-21 05:21 boot |
| 17:41.22 | Solaris | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 2005-01-21 05:21 initrd |
| 17:41.24 | Solaris | drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 240 2005-01-21 05:22 kernel |
| 17:41.25 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 138734 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.alias |
| 17:41.27 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 69 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.ccwmap |
| 17:41.28 | valdyn | Solaris: dont spam.. alright |
| 17:41.28 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 239197 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.dep |
| 17:41.30 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 517 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.ieee1394map |
| 17:41.31 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1061 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.inputmap |
| 17:41.33 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16427 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.isapnpmap |
| 17:41.35 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 131867 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.pcimap |
| 17:41.36 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 104762 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.symbols |
| 17:41.36 | Drizzt321 | ack! |
| 17:41.38 | Solaris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 157297 2005-01-21 07:21 modules.usbmap |
| 17:41.39 | Solaris | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 2005-01-21 05:22 source -> /home/joshk/build/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8/install-386 |
| 17:41.49 | Solaris | valdyn: oops :D |
| 17:41.51 | Gartt | Solaris, ??? |
| 17:41.51 | gurubie | takatumi: The only things I changes were K& and sisfb related stuff for DRI. |
| 17:41.53 | Phated | Aw, geez, just paste what they ASKED for instead of the whole shebang. |
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| 17:42.14 | RichiH | or paste faster, so debhelper can kick you ;) |
| 17:42.20 | Phated | Yeah sure that too. |
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| 17:42.24 | Solaris | richih: LoL |
| 17:42.31 | Solaris | all: my bad |
| 17:42.32 | racoontje | !tell Solaris about lol |
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| 17:42.39 | valdyn | Solaris: ok.. ln -s build <you kernel source tree> |
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| 17:42.55 | RichiH | Solaris: /flushq will empty your send queue |
| 17:42.59 | racoontje | !tell Solaris about lol |
| 17:42.59 | RichiH | just so you know next time :) |
| 17:43.01 | Solaris | racoontje: is rofl ok? |
| 17:43.03 | racoontje | oops |
| 17:43.04 | takatumi | gurubie: which config are you working with? if it's the default debian config, almost everything is modularized and you need an initrd |
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| 17:43.50 | gurubie | takatumi: I understand now too late :( |
| 17:43.58 | Tomosius | takatumi, how can i check is kde or gnome installed? if they are not, how to instal? |
| 17:44.22 | valdyn | btw, do debians kernel source packages grab the config from /boot if i run make oldconfig on a clean tree? |
| 17:44.43 | Solaris | valdyn: "<your kernel source tree>" = /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/build? |
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| 17:45.01 | valdyn | Solaris: no, just /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:45.03 | takatumi | Tomosius: man apt-get and man apt-cache, read the #debian FAQ, /msg dpkg faq, that should get you uptp speed. |
| 17:45.11 | Solaris | valdyn: ok |
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| 17:45.27 | joujou | how to iterate through all files in a directory? (bash) |
| 17:45.33 | takatumi | gurubie: why too late? you still have the sources right? compile away. |
| 17:45.50 | Solaris | valdyn: ln: `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/build': File exists |
| 17:46.09 | Solaris | valdyn: then i do an ls -l, but i see no 'build' |
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| 17:46.31 | gurubie | OK hearing no help why I get error 2 and 127 on ndiswrapper compile (and I have gcc) I guess I'm going to try to match a binary 2.6.8 deb I found with the Sarge 2.6.8-1-386 and see if I can get the net up on my new Debian install partition. |
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| 17:46.51 | valdyn | Solaris: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r) && ln -s build /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:46.56 | valdyn | Solaris: use cut and paste |
| 17:47.12 | valdyn | Solaris: oh sorry, my bad |
| 17:47.15 | gurubie | Two freaking steps back, one step forward, Grrrrr. |
| 17:47.27 | Solaris | valdyn: ln: `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/build': File exists |
| 17:47.31 | valdyn | Solaris: reverse the order in ln: ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 build |
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| 17:47.35 | takatumi | gurubie: tried google for the errors? |
| 17:48.10 | Solaris | valdyn: got a link |
| 17:48.16 | valdyn | gurubie: i doubt people here know those errors by number |
| 17:48.20 | gurubie | takatumi: Oh freakin yea! |
| 17:48.32 | valdyn | Solaris: now try to build your ndiswrapper |
| 17:48.39 | Solaris | valdyn: brb |
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| 17:50.21 | gurubie | takatumi: I got "install gcc", it is. |
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| 17:50.47 | takatumi | gurubie: build-essential package |
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| 17:51.40 | gurubie | takatumi: And other I painstakingly installed and verified for compiling (being no net on thta part yet) |
| 17:51.50 | racoontje | I keep getting errors like these: |
| 17:51.50 | valdyn | !ndiswrapper |
| 17:51.50 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 17:51.54 | racoontje | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:52.04 | cIclops | where does kdm get started during boot? |
| 17:52.19 | Solaris | valdyn: GAAAAAHHH!!!! link works, build exists, but ndiswrapper says point to dir, so i manually navigate to it under /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/build and it says: bash: cd: build: Too many levels of symbolic links (I navigated using cd, i didn't point to it under ndiswrapper's make operation) |
| 17:52.27 | appaji | cIclops: /etc/init.d/kdm? |
| 17:52.36 | cIclops | oh .. ta |
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| 17:53.11 | obake | hey ;) |
| 17:53.14 | valdyn | Solaris: point it to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 , not to the "build" directory |
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| 17:53.50 | racoontje | I keep getting errors like these: |
| 17:53.52 | racoontje | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:53.56 | racoontje | but I have the gpg key |
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| 17:53.59 | takatumi | gurubie: I would recommend getting sarge CD1, boot with linux26, install kernel-source, build-essential, libncurses5-dev, compile your kernel and then try to compile ndiswrapper. (assuming it won't compi;e against the kernel-headers) |
| 17:54.00 | gurubie | methinks I agree but the ACX111 module does work yet and this (granted POS card) works great with ndiswrapper (just not on my pure Debian yet) |
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| 17:54.06 | TheAsp | hmm |
| 17:54.08 | doublehp | why does http://doublehp.ath.cx/tmp/rc.firewall-2.4-stronger say: : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 17:54.09 | valdyn | Solaris: and remove that "build" in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8. it has nothing lost there |
| 17:54.10 | doublehp | ? |
| 17:54.12 | gurubie | does NOT |
| 17:54.22 | RainbowW | i'm trying to install a pptpd on a machine inside a firewall. what port do i need to open on the firewall? |
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| 17:54.45 | doublehp | gurubie: I can make an 802.11b work with ACX |
| 17:54.59 | gurubie | takatumi: THank you, i agree cuase I did that (exactly) and no ndis compile (erroe 2 and 127) |
| 17:55.05 | calin | womething has developed on my pc |
| 17:55.18 | RainbowW | calin: try a good anti-fungal cream. |
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| 17:55.25 | calin | didn't work |
| 17:55.42 | Solaris | valdyn: pointed to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 and got: Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8; |
| 17:55.43 | Solaris | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.44 | calin | there are a ton of exim4 processes running |
| 17:55.49 | gurubie | doublehp: ACX100 or ACX111 (AKA "G") |
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| 17:55.55 | calin | exim4 -q |
| 17:56.06 | calin | i don't know why |
| 17:56.13 | calin | it's a recent development |
| 17:56.20 | calin | i know it shouldn't be doing this |
| 17:56.33 | calin | and i don't know why it is doing this other than maybe a bug due to an update |
| 17:56.40 | doublehp | gurubie: ACX100 |
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| 17:57.02 | Solaris | valdyn: removed 'build' from 'that directory' as specified |
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| 17:57.30 | gurubie | doublehp: Yes God bless you but ACX100 may not even be stable, ACX111 isn't. |
| 17:57.56 | valdyn | Solaris: now im confused, you sure you didnt do a typo somewhere? your kernel-source is there.. |
| 17:58.06 | Solaris | it's there |
| 17:58.11 | Solaris | valdyn: it's there |
| 17:58.22 | valdyn | Solaris: maybe put error message including context into #flood |
| 17:58.25 | FaithX | doublehp, you should use the nasty closed source "driverloader" for ACX111 |
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| 17:59.02 | doublehp | FaithX: i dont mind about ACX ... I mind about http://doublehp.ath.cx/tmp/rc.firewall-2.4-stronger |
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| 17:59.48 | gurubie | FaithX: Closed stinks, but why use that (driverloader) ? |
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| 18:00.28 | Frem | hey, is there anyway to use that great sarge auto-configure-everything net installer with woody? |
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| 18:00.40 | racoontje | when apt-get install [foo] downloads something and fails with "Size mismatch |
| 18:00.45 | fugit | doom3 sound problem: doom.x86: pcm.c:5962: snd_pcm_mmap_commit: Assertion `frames <= snd_pcm_mmap_avail(pcm)' failed. |
| 18:00.46 | fugit | signal caught: Aborted |
| 18:00.47 | racoontje | what's happening? |
| 18:00.56 | Solaris | valdyn: posted in #flood |
| 18:01.05 | valdyn | make KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 18:01.16 | RainbowW | i'm trying to install a pptpd on a machine inside a firewall. what port do i need to open on the firewall? |
| 18:01.32 | fugit | any thoughts everything else plays fine... listening to mplayer via alsa right now |
| 18:01.36 | FaithX | gurubie, because it works |
| 18:01.40 | Beuno | Hey, I just installed Sarge on my notebook, everything went fine, until I booted up after install, I got this: ehci_hcd Bios handoff failed |
| 18:01.41 | valdyn | KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ make <- try this |
| 18:01.44 | Beuno | so i cant boot |
| 18:01.45 | Beuno | :(} |
| 18:01.47 | Beuno | :( |
| 18:02.18 | Solaris | valdyn: error posted again |
| 18:02.21 | FaithX | gurubie, acx111 support is flakey because of the close Ti |
| 18:02.36 | FaithX | s/closed |
| 18:02.38 | gurubie | FaithX: Thanks for the ref :) |
| 18:02.53 | FaithX | http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/ |
| 18:03.16 | FaithX | You have to login... but so far the linux driver has never asked me to pay... |
| 18:03.25 | gurubie | valdyn: I 'll try that. |
| 18:03.42 | FaithX | it's a linux wrapper for the windows drivers |
| 18:04.22 | FaithX | give me rt2500 anyday |
| 18:04.29 | Solaris | faithx: free trial???!! |
| 18:04.44 | gurubie | FaithX: I'm taking note of chipset maker that support Linux first and I'm going to vote with my wallet as the other scum juamp on the bandwagon. Aren't you? |
| 18:05.05 | Solaris | valdyn: are you still with us? |
| 18:05.06 | doublehp | how do I remove trailing \r in a script ? |
| 18:05.23 | valdyn | Solaris: yea |
| 18:05.30 | RichiH | doublehp: %s/\\r//g in vim |
| 18:05.35 | Beuno | Hey, I just installed Sarge on my notebook, everything went fine, until I booted up after install, I got this: ehci_hcd Bios handoff failed. Cant boot into linux because of it |
| 18:05.56 | RichiH | doublehp: oh, you mean a script should remove it? |
| 18:06.07 | mh_le | how do I get the themed GDM greeter instead of the default one? |
| 18:06.17 | RichiH | doublehp: perl, then |
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| 18:06.29 | Solaris | valdyn: it spewed the same error, you can see it in #flood |
| 18:06.34 | l3m_ | how can i connect to a device attached to the serial port ( similar to windows hyperterm ) ? |
| 18:06.37 | gurubie | Of course, hindsight being 20/20, I would try a ETHERNET WIRELESS (client) BRIDGE else a router with "client bridge" |
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| 18:06.52 | valdyn | Solaris: to flood please: output of those 2 commands: "ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)" and also ls -l /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 18:07.01 | doublehp | RichiH: how ? |
| 18:07.02 | gurubie | reason = DRIVERLESS (save the ethernet) |
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| 18:07.23 | borius | is there a util similar to find, that looks thru zip and tarballs? |
| 18:07.51 | gurubie | But alas I bought my why over every Linux problem I'd be in the poor house. Understand? |
| 18:08.06 | gurubie | if I |
| 18:08.23 | gurubie | way |
| 18:08.28 | abrotman | l3m_: minicom or kermit |
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| 18:09.15 | Solaris | valdyn: flooded |
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| 18:09.55 | gurubie | Actually, good linux hardware isn't teribly expensive but as i install for friends, i DO NOT like telling them to replace hardware for Debian. Agreed? |
| 18:10.06 | Beuno | anyone have any idea how I can get around this problem? |
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| 18:10.34 | gurubie | ..cuse you KNOW what they're going to say and we'll leave it at that. |
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| 18:10.50 | valdyn | Solaris: nothing wrong as far as i can see, now for your ndiswrapper: "make distclean && make" |
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| 18:11.39 | l3m_ | abrotman: thanks! |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | np |
| 18:11.47 | valdyn | Solaris: if that doesnt compile ndiswrapper, something is wrong with your ndiswrapper sources imo |
| 18:11.50 | yeti | do debian sid/sarge come with udev and alsa by default? |
| 18:11.59 | Solaris | valdyn: error posted in #flood |
| 18:12.08 | thingfish | yeti: not udev, but yes alsa. |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | yeti: no .. but certain packages in sarge/sid require udev |
| 18:12.25 | thingfish | unless something's changed |
| 18:12.26 | OVERCRAFT | ls |
| 18:12.29 | gurubie | Anyone compile a working ndiswrapper 1.0RC yet? |
| 18:12.37 | OVERCRAFT | oops, sorry |
| 18:12.46 | calin | hehe @ OVERCRAFT |
| 18:12.50 | abrotman | !misfire |
| 18:12.56 | valdyn | Solaris: hah, one last idea, are you doing this as root? |
| 18:13.06 | colde89 | somebody know how to stop a usb_contrl/bulk_msg: timout? |
| 18:13.06 | Solaris | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:13.53 | doublehp | I use a laptop as gateway ... I loaded ip_conntrack_ftp but it still looks like FTP does not go through ... I just want the 2nd computer to update apt ... what can I do ? using the same sources.list on the gateway work 100% fine. |
| 18:14.06 | valdyn | Solaris: ok sorry, im out of ideas, ndiswrappers complaint is invalid. Maybe it cant deal with debians patches, no idea |
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| 18:14.17 | Solaris | all: does anyone have a compiled version, any version, of ndiswrapper? |
| 18:14.45 | Beuno | anyone have any idea how I can get by this error? |
| 18:14.51 | racoontje | Solaris: !ndiswrapper |
| 18:14.59 | Solaris | !ndiswrapper |
| 18:14.59 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
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| 18:15.16 | Solaris | racoontje: that response doesn't help |
| 18:15.41 | Solaris | racoontje: my broadcom is integrated into my HP Pavilion zv5000t |
| 18:15.46 | racoontje | Solaris: no shit. |
| 18:15.53 | Solaris | racoontje: ndiswrapper works on knoppix |
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| 18:16.03 | racoontje | Solaris: I changed brands in order to avoid ndiswrapper |
| 18:16.10 | racoontje | Solaris: if you like it so much, download the source |
| 18:16.15 | racoontje | it's freely availibl |
| 18:16.15 | racoontje | e |
| 18:16.42 | Solaris | racoonjte: i did, it is not compiling, it is not finding my kernel source which resides in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
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| 18:16.59 | gurubie | I'm out. Thank you all for your help (and patience with me). Debian come a long way AND have a long way (repectfully) to go toward TIME SAVING type of ease-of-use. |
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| 18:17.05 | doublehp | Solaris: some ln -s may help |
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| 18:17.16 | abrotman | Solaris: which broadcom? |
| 18:17.26 | doublehp | Solaris: ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 /usr/src/linux |
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| 18:17.56 | Solaris | abrotman: no clue about exact specs, i have the driver from hp's site |
| 18:18.05 | abrotman | Solaris: lspci |
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| 18:18.24 | InKubus | hi |
| 18:18.30 | Solaris | doublehp: done |
| 18:18.32 | InKubus | is it possible to put a group inside a group in linux? |
| 18:18.38 | abrotman | Solaris: i'm asking because i have a broadcom NIC .. and it works without ndiswrapper |
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| 18:18.57 | gurubie | Please don't forget ease of use is crap without TIME saving measures being paramount. (rant off) l8tr |
| 18:19.07 | Solaris | abrotman: it's integrated into my motherboard, winblows only said it was a broadcom, no specifics |
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| 18:19.16 | Phated | InKubus: You mean make a group that only some members of an existing group are a part of? |
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| 18:19.30 | InKubus | yeah |
| 18:19.30 | abrotman | Solaris: that's why i'm telling you to look with lspci .. mine is also integrated |
| 18:19.37 | Solaris | oh |
| 18:19.38 | Solaris | ok |
| 18:19.47 | InKubus | like i want a source directory where one group has access to all of it and the lesser group has access to only a certain area |
| 18:19.55 | Solaris | abrotman: duhh, i wasn't thinkin' |
| 18:19.55 | InKubus | i want to put the greater access in the lower access group |
| 18:19.56 | Phated | InKubus: Why would you just... make a new group? |
| 18:19.59 | InKubus | then set the directory to the lower access group |
| 18:20.11 | Phated | Wouldn't, that is. |
| 18:20.15 | Solaris | abrotman: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4301 802.11b (rev 02) |
| 18:20.18 | abrotman | Solaris: mine is 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
| 18:20.20 | InKubus | i have two groups |
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| 18:20.30 | abrotman | Solaris: did you try the b44 driver in the kernel? |
| 18:20.42 | Solaris | abrotman: can you point that to me? |
| 18:20.46 | abrotman | Solaris: oh shit . i'm sorry .. it's wireless isn't it? |
| 18:20.53 | Solaris | abrotman: yep |
| 18:20.58 | abrotman | Solaris: did you ask #wireless? |
| 18:21.07 | Solaris | abrotman: i will now |
| 18:21.14 | abrotman | Solaris: they may be able to tell you which driver might make it run of if ndiswrapper is required |
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| 18:21.30 | valdyn | Solaris: are you using the debian package for ndiswrapper? |
| 18:22.16 | caphuso | ndiswrapper builds just fine using module-assistant |
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| 18:22.23 | dskippy_ | I'm having a hard time getting my Gamepad joysticks to work. I'm using the GrIP module but udev doesn't create /dev/input/js0 when I modprobe. the analog drive does but the analog driver is not sufficient because I have two Gravis Gamepad Pros. |
| 18:22.33 | caphuso | # ls -l ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-1_0.12+1.0rc2-1+10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 18:22.33 | caphuso | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 60414 Jan 22 19:21 ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-1_0.12+1.0rc2-1+10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 18:22.36 | abrotman | Solaris: http://www.petitiononline.com/BCM4301/petition.html |
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| 18:23.25 | Solaris | valdyn: i grabbed ndiswrapper from ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 18:23.35 | Solaris | abrotman: okie dokie |
| 18:24.03 | fugit | Any ideas why doom3 would fail with the follow error? "Assertion `frames <= snd_pcm_mmap_avail(pcm)' failed." |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | Solaris: no cash for another card? |
| 18:24.18 | fugit | Google didn't help and doom3 is the only app having sound problems |
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| 18:24.27 | Solaris | abrotman: i have a linksys wcp11v2.5 that sucks more ass than barney |
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| 18:24.36 | Solaris | abrotman: i use that for packet sniffing tho |
| 18:24.46 | fugit | Solaris: that is a lot of ass are you sure? |
| 18:24.57 | Solaris | fugit: yep |
| 18:25.02 | abrotman | Solaris: wow .. you just are unlucky with wifi hardware eh? |
| 18:25.20 | Solaris | fugit: my router transmits far, but the card don't go transmit back that far |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | but if the linksys works without ndis crap .. |
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| 18:25.46 | Solaris | fugit: my ~200mW broadcom transmits like a mofo, like my tenant's BMC |
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| 18:26.16 | Solaris | abrotman: if i can't use it in my room for w/e (pr0n, alex jones show, etc) then it is no use for me |
| 18:26.22 | valdyn | Solaris: i just compiled ndiswrapper-source vs debians 2.6.9 source so uh |
| 18:26.27 | abrotman | Solaris: ok |
| 18:26.38 | fugit | I used ndiswrapper a while ago... but work took my ibm t40 and gave me a power book |
| 18:26.39 | valdyn | Solaris: you might want to try to use kp ( /msg dpkg kp ) |
| 18:26.51 | Solaris | valdyn: i'll try |
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| 18:28.11 | Solaris | valdyn: downloaded stuff w/: apt-get install kernel-package build-essential |
| 18:28.18 | InKubus | nvm |
| 18:28.27 | InKubus | i just typed them again |
| 18:28.28 | InKubus | thanks anyway :) |
| 18:28.33 | Solaris | valdyn: following instructions at /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 18:28.43 | caphuso | hrm... ndiswrapper does indeed need the kernel sources, but only because it uses a bunch of files in the scripts directory |
| 18:28.43 | valdyn | Solaris: theres a debian repository given on ndiswrappers site |
| 18:28.51 | Eagle101 | Help. i got debian,yoper,fedora,xp pro...is there a way to use the debian GRUB instead of the yoper GRUB? THanks |
| 18:28.59 | jhawk | fugit try /dev/adsp instead of /dev/dsp in config that should work |
| 18:28.59 | Solaris | valdyn: i mighta missed tat |
| 18:29.04 | Solaris | valdyn: *that |
| 18:30.10 | fugit | Jhawk: thenks I'll give that a shot right now |
| 18:30.35 | Solaris | abrotman: 10213 Signatures Total for the bcm4301 petition |
| 18:30.44 | racoontje | can I manually wget a file for apt to install? |
| 18:31.00 | valdyn | racoontje: not directly, but dpkg -i installs a deb |
| 18:31.04 | racoontje | ie it wants foo.deb, I want to manually download foo.deb, where do I put it so that apt will use it |
| 18:31.08 | racoontje | oic. |
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| 18:31.24 | Solaris | valdyn: i did grab the <blahblahblah>.deb from http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/debian |
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| 18:31.30 | equnix | do i need config_net_key? |
| 18:31.41 | FieldySnuts | @fuck ndiswrapper |
| 18:31.45 | valdyn | Solaris: err, is that what we used all the time? |
| 18:32.02 | Solaris | valdyn: yep :) |
| 18:32.03 | Phated | "gently like a crazed weasel" gotta love it. |
| 18:32.15 | Solaris | @fuck everything |
| 18:32.19 | Eagle101 | Help. i got debian,yoper,fedora,xp pro...is there a way to use the debian GRUB instead of the yoper GRUB? THanks |
| 18:32.25 | abrotman | Solaris: i wonder if they care? |
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| 18:32.35 | abrotman | Eagle101: google for "Debian install grub" |
| 18:32.38 | valdyn | Solaris: ok, nasty, i should have asked for that.. |
| 18:32.41 | Solaris | abrotman: sure, when 10000 ppl don't buy anymore of their products |
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| 18:32.53 | abrotman | is that really christopher lloyd in Clue? |
| 18:32.55 | tummyacid | whahoo! #debian looks so much better in ircII |
| 18:33.06 | tummyacid | as opposed to mIRC |
| 18:33.10 | abrotman | tummyacid: try irssi-text |
| 18:33.12 | valdyn | Solaris: cd /usr/src/ && tar xfvz ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 |
| 18:33.14 | Solaris | abrotman 10000 * ~$50 in products each = ~$500,000 in lost sales |
| 18:33.19 | valdyn | Solaris: cd /usr/src/ && tar xfvj ndiswrapper-source.tar.bz2 |
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| 18:33.34 | abrotman | Solaris: i doubt they care |
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| 18:34.01 | valdyn | Solaris: or actually, just use modules assistant, so easy |
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| 18:34.13 | Solaris | valdyn: what's that? |
| 18:34.16 | valdyn | Solaris: module-assistant |
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| 18:34.33 | Eagle101 | abrotman: cant find anything |
| 18:34.34 | Solaris | valdyn: error posted in #flood |
| 18:34.35 | valdyn | Solaris: run it, ( apt-get install modules-assistant ) |
| 18:34.47 | valdyn | Solaris: run it, ( apt-get install module-assistant ) |
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| 18:35.12 | valdyn | Solaris: yea my spelling is ugly, z meant to be j |
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| 18:35.45 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 18:35.45 | dpkg | methinks ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 18:35.46 | heavinu | has anybody already configured Creative NX Pro webcam? |
| 18:35.46 | Solaris | valdyn: error posted in #flood |
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| 18:36.07 | valdyn | Solaris: not an err, just run modules-assistant |
| 18:36.15 | valdyn | Solaris: not an err, just run module-assistant |
| 18:36.18 | tummyacid | ok amhaving a hangup on install of debian woody. It keeps repeating "Loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz" i am guessing it is a problem with the keyboard map any suggestions? |
| 18:36.22 | valdyn | jesus christ spelling |
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| 18:36.36 | Solaris | valdyn: command? |
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| 18:36.45 | Solaris | valdyn: nvm |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | tummyacid: is this a workstation and do you have broadband? |
| 18:37.24 | tummyacid | its my laptop im using it right now |
| 18:37.35 | Eagle101 | help. i am trying to run a command in debian which it will install grub. but i cant load debian. is there a way to run that command using knoppix, then somehow mount to debian??? |
| 18:37.37 | abrotman | broadband? |
| 18:37.38 | Solaris | valdyn: GAAAAAHHH! /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 contains unconfiged kernel source (or something like that) |
| 18:37.39 | tummyacid | i just wanna give another shot at doing wifi again |
| 18:37.48 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 18:37.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 18:37.49 | tummyacid | yes its on my broadband home network right now |
| 18:38.07 | tummyacid | using my gaming machine's ethernet wire until i can get the wireles to work |
| 18:38.14 | tummyacid | i just want a consoleinstall |
| 18:38.16 | racoontje | apt-get dist-upgrade keeps telling me libpango1.0-0 needs upgrading... I upgrade it, and it still wants to upgrade it. What's going on? |
| 18:38.24 | tummyacid | i dont plan to use X or anything so the install is very minimal |
| 18:38.32 | Solaris | abrotman: is that the one i used on sarge netinstall daily build 20050121? |
| 18:38.45 | valdyn | racoontje: you are using an inofficial mirror?, check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:38.45 | tummyacid | mostly i wanna write code on this machine |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | Solaris: yes |
| 18:38.54 | Solaris | abrotman: ok |
| 18:38.58 | abrotman | tummyacid: use the sarge installer ... you'll be much much happier |
| 18:39.07 | tummyacid | sounds great |
| 18:39.09 | racoontje | valdyn: possibly. Why? Broken packages? |
| 18:39.18 | abrotman | !tell tummyacid about d-i |
| 18:39.18 | Solaris | tummyacid: the woody installer sucks balls bigger than mine :) |
| 18:39.23 | tummyacid | doyou recomend a cd i could do a network install |
| 18:39.26 | valdyn | racoontje: wrong timestamp.. maybe |
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| 18:39.42 | Solaris | valdyn: GAAAAAHHH! /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 contains unconfiged kernel source (or something like that) |
| 18:39.50 | racoontje | valdyn: is timestamp the file's mtime or in the pkg itself? |
| 18:39.53 | Solaris | valdyn: that was an error |
| 18:40.02 | valdyn | Solaris: so "make oldconfig" there, thought we did that long ago |
| 18:40.11 | abrotman | tummyacid: i just did |
| 18:40.15 | tummyacid | ok sarge it is... now i have to pull the plug on my linux laptop... and go back to windows |
| 18:40.42 | tummyacid | btw have you had any luck with madwifi drivers? |
| 18:40.46 | tummyacid | anyone ? |
| 18:40.57 | Solaris | valdyn: did that, it is still spewing unconfigured errors |
| 18:41.00 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 18:41.00 | valdyn | racoontje: i dont really know how dpkg / apt-get determine that, but i _know_ that errors are related to timestamp from seeing alot of them |
| 18:41.00 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi was http://www.mattfoster.clara.co.uk/madwifi-faq.htm , or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 18:41.05 | racoontje | tummyacid: madwifi works on gentoo, never did it on debian |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | it does work |
| 18:41.27 | tummyacid | i found a thread where someone claimed to do it |
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| 18:41.31 | tummyacid | i am hopeful |
| 18:41.34 | racoontje | madwifi rocks :-) |
| 18:41.38 | Solaris | valdyn: did that, it is still spewing unconfigured errors |
| 18:41.41 | abrotman | !madwifi is also #madwifi |
| 18:41.41 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 18:41.50 | racoontje | valdyn: I keep getting Size mismatch |
| 18:41.56 | tummyacid | racoontje have you tried it on a card without an EEPROM? |
| 18:41.59 | racoontje | valdyn: same problem? |
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| 18:42.04 | racoontje | tummyacid: nop |
| 18:42.15 | tummyacid | thats where i had trouble last time |
| 18:42.21 | tummyacid | i needed a bios image |
| 18:42.28 | tummyacid | for the card |
| 18:42.29 | racoontje | you need firmware |
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| 18:42.32 | tummyacid | ya |
| 18:42.33 | valdyn | racoontje: thats a bad package then maybe also.. just fix the mirrors you are using |
| 18:42.40 | tummyacid | i found a bunch but none of them seemed to work |
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| 18:42.55 | racoontje | valdyn: you know, if debian would repackage xorg i wouldn't be in this mess ;-) |
| 18:42.56 | abrotman | dog |
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| 18:43.12 | tummyacid | ok well thanks for the advice im gonna get sarge right now |
| 18:43.33 | abrotman | i thought he said he was using ircii ? |
| 18:43.48 | racoontje | isn't that irssi? |
| 18:43.52 | racoontje | or something else |
| 18:43.56 | Phated | No, two different things. |
| 18:43.59 | racoontje | I'm using irssi :-) |
| 18:44.02 | Phated | irssi and ircII. |
| 18:44.02 | abrotman | ircii is .. bad |
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| 18:44.08 | Phated | Yeah, well. |
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| 18:44.22 | Scalpel | Anyone here got lirc working with a 2.6.(10) kernel? |
| 18:44.22 | Aronofsky | hi everybody |
| 18:44.36 | racoontje | Scalpel: what time is it over there |
| 18:44.44 | abrotman | !lirc |
| 18:44.45 | dpkg | lirc is, like, Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://fsinfo.cs.uni-sb.de/~columbus/lirc/, or now at http://www.lirc.org |
| 18:44.58 | Aronofsky | got a question : is there any good wargame ( warcraft, starcraft ... ) on linux ? |
| 18:45.01 | Scalpel | racoontje: round 20:00 why? |
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| 18:45.19 | racoontje | then I know my timezone is wrong :> |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | Aronofsky: freecraft .. wesnoth(more RPG) .. |
| 18:45.45 | Scalpel | racoontje: okay :) |
| 18:45.47 | valdyn | Solaris: remove that directory and configure it again, i cant tell whats wrong with it from here, this ought to "just work" |
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| 18:45.57 | Solaris | valdyn: crap, module-assistant isn't working for ndiswrapper, i even pointed it to my headers files with the following command: modules-assistant --kernel-dir /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-i386 and it still fails to build ndiswrapper |
| 18:46.03 | racoontje | ok |
| 18:46.15 | Solaris | valdyn: what dir? |
| 18:46.17 | caphuso | Solaris: you need the complete kernel sources :-( |
| 18:46.23 | Scalpel | What should I turn on and off in the 2.6.10 kernel. The lirc_dev loads but lirc_serial bugs out. |
| 18:46.24 | racoontje | I think I screwed up timezones somewhere |
| 18:46.29 | valdyn | Solaris: kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 18:46.29 | Solaris | caphuso: i have those, it don't work either |
| 18:46.41 | valdyn | Solaris: your headers would have to be configured too i guess |
| 18:46.53 | caphuso | Solaris: funny. it worked for me alright just a couple of minutes ago |
| 18:47.25 | valdyn | caphuso: i too compiled ndiswrapper 5 mins ago, so these errors are somewhat strange |
| 18:47.43 | abrotman | what error is he getting? |
| 18:48.24 | toresbe | I'm working on translating KDE |
| 18:48.32 | toresbe | where do I put .po-files to test them? |
| 18:48.32 | Solaris | valdyn: i think i deleted /dev/null with rm -r kernel-source-2.6.8 /dev/null thinking rm was mv >.< |
| 18:48.45 | valdyn | abrotman: errors about unconfigured kernel source, maybe you can fix that? I just said to copy /boot/config-$(uname -r) to <kerneltree>/.config and do make oldconfig |
| 18:48.57 | Solaris | valdyn: is that bad? |
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| 18:49.17 | valdyn | Solaris: haah |
| 18:49.20 | bytecolor | -bash: /bin/grep: Argument list too long |
| 18:49.30 | Solaris | valdyn: is that bad? |
| 18:49.33 | bytecolor | I get that when I grep a dir with 10,000+ files in it |
| 18:49.34 | toresbe | Solaris: mknod /dev/null c 3 1 |
| 18:49.38 | caphuso | bytecolor: yes |
| 18:49.42 | abrotman | valdyn: sounds like it should work .. assuming he's running a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 18:49.45 | bytecolor | is there a way to increase the limit? |
| 18:49.45 | valdyn | Solaris: not at all |
| 18:49.59 | Solaris | toresbe: thx |
| 18:50.17 | caphuso | bytecolor: it's a lot easier to just use 'find ... -print0 | xargs -0 grep ...' |
| 18:50.34 | andaxoff | how can I add more than 32 users to a group? ( pubusers:x:103:user1,user2,user3....user35 - it seems that only the first 32 gets recognized (???)) |
| 18:50.44 | toresbe | bytecolor: grep string [a-g]* ; grep string [h-z]* and so on could work |
| 18:50.58 | caphuso | urgh |
| 18:50.58 | Solaris | valdyn: all instances of the kernel source have been toasted |
| 18:51.26 | bytecolor | toresbe, yes, I used ls {A,B,C}*.hxx, {D,E,F}*.hxx , etc |
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| 18:51.30 | toresbe | caphuso: huuuge overhead |
| 18:51.34 | caphuso | toresbe: bullshit |
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| 18:51.42 | toresbe | caphuso: One fork per file? |
| 18:51.48 | caphuso | toresbe: more bullshit |
| 18:51.54 | toresbe | caphuso: Eeek, sorry |
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| 18:51.58 | afrosheen | hello |
| 18:52.00 | toresbe | caphuso: *adjusts glasses* |
| 18:52.04 | valdyn | Solaris: fine, extract your kernel-source again, copy that appropriate config-xxx into <kernelsource>/.config and "make oldconfig" and use module-assistant |
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| 18:52.19 | abrotman | valdyn: are you sure it's even using that source dir? |
| 18:52.22 | afrosheen | I need some help with mounting and permissions |
| 18:52.38 | caphuso | Solaris: or copy the scripts dir of the kernel sources into the directory with the header files |
| 18:52.49 | caphuso | !tell afrosheen -about ask |
| 18:53.00 | Solaris | valdyn: what is the tar -xxxx <file> xxxx part? |
| 18:53.05 | valdyn | abrotman: if it looks in "/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build" then yea, error messages too indicate that |
| 18:53.13 | afrosheen | user bob has files in /etc/ that user fred needs to mount in his home (so it's available to his home ftp) but fred needs to be able to save files back to bob's folder |
| 18:53.26 | caphuso | afrosheen: WHAT? |
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| 18:53.33 | bytecolor | I wonder if that's a grep hard-coded limit I can change and recompile |
| 18:53.41 | toresbe | bytecolor: nope |
| 18:53.41 | caphuso | bytecolor: no. it's a kernel limit |
| 18:53.43 | afrosheen | caphuso: back to sleep |
| 18:53.45 | valdyn | Solaris: tar xfj <filename> |
| 18:53.47 | toresbe | bytecolor: do what caphuso said :) |
| 18:53.47 | bytecolor | ah |
| 18:53.51 | bytecolor | ok |
| 18:53.53 | caphuso | afrosheen: you want to put /etc/ on a ftpd? |
| 18:54.05 | andax | afrosheen bob should not have files in /etc |
| 18:54.05 | afrosheen | no, a subfolder of /etc that belongs to another user |
| 18:54.26 | caphuso | that sounds incredibly wrong |
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| 18:54.35 | afrosheen | it's not on public ftp anyway, each user must validate yada yada |
| 18:54.39 | Solaris | valdyn: tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
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| 18:54.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:54.53 | caphuso | tar xjf |
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| 18:55.00 | Solaris | valdyn: command was: tar -xfj kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 18:55.16 | Solaris | caphuso: thx |
| 18:55.16 | cIclops | on boot the keyboard is locked at the kdm login screen, switching to console mode and back frees it ... (3.1/2.6.8) any clues? |
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| 18:55.23 | andax | how can I add more than 32 users to a group? (2.4.28-grsec + woody) |
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| 18:55.33 | afrosheen | so far I've tried having an fstab entry like /etc/bobfolder /home/fred/bobfolder etc etc and it mounts, fred can view the files but can't write |
| 18:55.38 | valdyn | Solaris: you have a different tar than me then |
| 18:55.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:55.52 | Solaris | valdyn: xjf works, xfj doesn't |
| 18:56.03 | abrotman | Solaris: are you running solaris tar? :) |
| 18:56.15 | caphuso | # tar -xfj |
| 18:56.15 | caphuso | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 18:56.23 | Solaris | abrotman: if i remember correctly (i've done ALOT), i got tar by using apt-get tar |
| 18:56.27 | caphuso | # tar --version |
| 18:56.28 | caphuso | tar (GNU tar) 1.14 |
| 18:56.28 | Solaris | *apt-get install tar |
| 18:56.34 | valdyn | Solaris: serious look at what abrotman sais, debians tar works as i typed for ages |
| 18:56.42 | caphuso | valdyn: look what i just pasted |
| 18:56.48 | caphuso | valdyn: then tell me that i'm wrong |
| 18:56.51 | Solaris | valdyn: apt-get install tar |
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| 18:58.05 | valdyn | caphuso: sure if you dont specify a filename you get what you got |
| 18:58.17 | caphuso | valdyn: # tar -tfj /usr/src/realtime-lsm.tar.bz2 |
| 18:58.18 | caphuso | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
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| 18:58.28 | Lee__ | If I use apt to download the kernel source is the configuration in that package the same as the one used to compile the corresponding kernel-image? |
| 18:58.44 | valdyn | caphuso: skip the slash |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | caphuso: that looks like a bug to me |
| 18:58.49 | afrosheen | Lee__: should be if the versions match |
| 18:58.56 | Lee__ | excellent |
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| 18:59.02 | caphuso | abrotman: no. it's a stupid GNU extension people got used to |
| 18:59.09 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 18:59.13 | valdyn | caphuso: tar xfj foo.tar.bz2 |
| 18:59.22 | caphuso | which doesn't kick in if you use old style "-f" instead of just "f" |
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| 18:59.35 | valdyn | caphuso: appearantly |
| 18:59.36 | caphuso | valdyn: that's _not_ the same as "tar -xfj" |
| 18:59.46 | Phated | caphuso: Put the "j" -before- the "f". |
| 18:59.50 | caphuso | ARGH |
| 18:59.51 | Phated | In your options. |
| 18:59.56 | Lee__ | jxvf |
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| 18:59.58 | valdyn | caphuso: yea, i jsut learned that |
| 19:00.02 | Phated | caphuso: :) |
| 19:00.02 | caphuso | Phated: that's what i'm trying to show valdyn |
| 19:00.03 | Lee__ | for more fun jxvvf |
| 19:00.10 | Phated | caphuso: Ohhhh. :D |
| 19:00.37 | xtof | Hi, is it safe to remove the content of /usr/src (I haven't compiled any kernel or modules yet) ? |
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| 19:01.04 | caphuso | xtof: is there anything in it then? |
| 19:01.09 | afrosheen | xtof: if you have a kernel source folder in there it's better to apt-get remove the kernel source first |
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| 19:01.42 | xtof | caphuso, yes there's I think I wanted to compile a kernel one day, but it was time to lunch and I forgot ;-) |
| 19:01.42 | racoontje | !cups |
| 19:01.42 | dpkg | [cups] a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 19:01.50 | Solaris | valdyn: done with your steps, tried module-assistant, still spewing unconfiged stuff |
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| 19:02.02 | xtof | afrosheen, I'll loo |
| 19:02.02 | racoontje | How can I configure cups? |
| 19:02.10 | xtof | afrosheen, thanks |
| 19:02.16 | afrosheen | xtof: np |
| 19:02.35 | caphuso | racoontje: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki |
| 19:02.39 | afrosheen | racoontje: kde has a cups frontend somewhere |
| 19:02.41 | valdyn | Solaris: go into your kernel source tree |
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| 19:02.54 | Solaris | valdyn: |
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| 19:02.57 | Solaris | valdyn: :O |
| 19:02.59 | Solaris | valdyn: got it |
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| 19:03.19 | Solaris | valdyn: it was kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386, not kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
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| 19:03.35 | Solaris | valdyn, it built it! |
| 19:03.42 | abrotman | it build it ... |
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| 19:03.49 | abrotman | an autobuilding it!!! |
| 19:03.50 | Solaris | valdyn: fuck, it failed |
| 19:03.50 | valdyn | Solaris: great |
| 19:03.58 | Solaris | valdyn: checking log |
| 19:04.30 | afrosheen | whooooooo BOOM |
| 19:04.30 | Solaris | WTF? |
| 19:04.30 | Phated | Heh, talk about crash and burn. |
| 19:04.30 | Solaris | netsplit? |
| 19:04.31 | bytecolor | 2pm ethnic cleansing |
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| 19:04.41 | Solaris | xD |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | uh oh |
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| 19:05.01 | abrotman | Solaris: yes .. netsplit |
| 19:05.01 | calin | nice |
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| 19:05.26 | afrosheen | party's over |
| 19:05.32 | calin | woo |
| 19:05.37 | calin | fuggin crazy |
| 19:05.38 | Solaris | and the 2:01PM mass resurrection |
| 19:07.07 | Solaris | valdyn: big error will be posted in #flood, help me |
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| 19:09.22 | caphuso | Solaris: your /dev/null seems to be still broken. deleteit and read "man null" |
| 19:09.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:09.55 | Solaris | okie |
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| 19:10.18 | valdyn | Solaris: looks good, but fix your /dev/null |
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| 19:10.47 | Cinder | oy :p |
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| 19:11.00 | THE | HOLA |
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| 19:11.04 | Cinder | Anyone here use GIMP ? |
| 19:11.07 | dendrite | Man! It's snowing POODLES here... |
| 19:11.09 | FieldySnuts | @anyone use |
| 19:11.10 | Cinder | I have a simple question = / |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | Cinder: irc.gnome.org has a #gimp channel |
| 19:11.23 | THE | ALGUIEN ME MANA UNA PAG DONDE PUEDO DESCARGAR TORRENTS DE PLAYSTATION?? |
| 19:11.24 | Cinder | oh |
| 19:11.27 | Cinder | thanks alot |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | THE: go away |
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| 19:11.33 | xelam|home | THE: shut the fuck up please. |
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| 19:11.44 | abrotman | !beer caphuso |
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| 19:12.27 | Solaris | ok, it's building |
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| 19:12.49 | Solaris | IT'S ALIVE!!! |
| 19:12.57 | abrotman | you said that before |
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| 19:13.21 | valdyn | !lose Solaris |
| 19:13.22 | dpkg | Solaris: You Lose. |
| 19:13.29 | kreiger | hey guys. |
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| 19:14.16 | Solaris | valdyn: ok, now how do i get my card to work |
| 19:14.33 | Solaris | valdyn: linux wireless commands are freign to me |
| 19:15.07 | valdyn | Solaris: i cant help with that... no idea |
| 19:15.26 | xtof | !cups |
| 19:15.26 | dpkg | hmm... cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 19:15.51 | kreiger | heh |
| 19:16.02 | abrotman | isn't there an entire ndis readme,faq,pile of docs? |
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| 19:16.08 | Solaris | valdyn: can anyone? |
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| 19:17.09 | Solaris | valdyn: i have my broadcom installed, is there anything else i need to do? |
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| 19:17.23 | valdyn | Solaris: no idea.. i have never used wlan |
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| 19:17.58 | Solaris | ALL: #wireless seems to be dead, can anyone assist me with getting my broadcom to work, it is installed through ndiswrapper, that step is done |
| 19:18.09 | Solaris | ALL: i need to know what to do next in order to make it useable |
| 19:18.14 | dvs | Solaris: I've heard that Broadcomm won't release their specs for security reasons so I think you'll have a hard time. |
| 19:18.28 | dendrite | Solaris: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 19:18.28 | Solaris | dvs: i've used my broadcom on knoppix |
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| 19:18.35 | flanker | q |
| 19:19.00 | dendrite | Solaris: There are also some iw* commands/tools that are worth looking at. |
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| 19:19.28 | Solaris | dendrite: it doesn't show a broadcom, but there is an eth1 that says: eth1 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 46-3F-02-00-A8-43-40-58-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 19:19.41 | Solaris | dendrite: it don't show a wlan0 |
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| 19:19.55 | dendrite | Solaris: Heh. That MAC looks like a firewire port. |
| 19:20.06 | dendrite | Solaris: ip1394 loaded? :-) |
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| 19:20.15 | Solaris | dendrite: just did an ndiswrapper -m |
| 19:20.29 | dendrite | Solaris: I'm talking about the "HWaddr 46-3F-02-00-A8-43-40-58-00-00-00-00-00-00-00" |
| 19:20.35 | abrotman | Solaris: my wlan is eth0 |
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| 19:20.43 | dendrite | Solaris: No entry for eth0? |
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| 19:20.59 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth |
| 19:21.02 | abrotman | dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 19:21.18 | dendrite | Solaris: Note that for more stability you may want to look into ifrename, with that ieee 1394 interface (if that's what that is.) |
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| 19:21.19 | Solaris | dendrite: check #flood for eth0 stuff in 10 seconds |
| 19:21.27 | ixi-deb05 | What parameter(s) should I pass to kernel to boot for fsck? |
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| 19:22.14 | Solaris | dendrite: my windows dhcp system will give my wifi card a 10.0.0.253 address |
| 19:22.23 | Solaris | dendrite: eth0 is not my broadcom wifi |
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| 19:22.27 | Phated | ixi-deb05: Make the file /forcefsck and reboot. |
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| 19:22.40 | ixi-deb05 | Phated: thanx |
| 19:22.43 | Solaris | dendrite: my dhcp is assigned to give my wifi's mac address that ip |
| 19:22.53 | Solaris | *not assigned, configed |
| 19:22.59 | Pakal | is it advisable to compile mplayer from the sources? |
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| 19:23.10 | pestilence | Pakal: why not |
| 19:23.11 | dendrite | Solaris: Is that the mac address of the wireless card? |
| 19:23.15 | dvs | Pakal: No |
| 19:23.23 | valdyn | Pakal: waste of time -> no |
| 19:23.23 | Solaris | dendrite: no |
| 19:23.26 | dvs | Pakal: unless you want to waste your time. |
| 19:23.45 | pestilence | waste of time? it takes like 10 minutes |
| 19:23.48 | Solaris | dendrite: do i need to restart? |
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| 19:23.50 | dendrite | Solaris: Was that ifconfig -a you ran? |
| 19:23.55 | pestilence | and there aren't debian packages for it, are there? |
| 19:23.58 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 19:23.58 | dpkg | [mplayer] not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available. mairillat website is DOWN. See: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (maybe) |
| 19:23.59 | Solaris | dendrite: yes |
| 19:24.01 | dendrite | Solaris: Restarting doesn't usually help... |
| 19:24.02 | dvs | pestilence: yes |
| 19:24.11 | dvs | pestilence: that's why it's a waste of time |
| 19:24.21 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 19:24.21 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
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| 19:24.33 | dendrite | Solaris: This is a cardbus device (PCMCIA)? |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | !mplayer =~ s/mairillat/marillat/ |
| 19:24.38 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 19:24.42 | pestilence | dvs: ah...but then you have to trust a non-debian repository :) |
| 19:24.49 | Solaris | dendrite: i dunno, it is integrated on my hp pavilion |
| 19:24.54 | abrotman | as opposed to non-debian sources :) |
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| 19:24.59 | dvs | pestilence: true, I haven't had problems with it yet. |
| 19:25.04 | dendrite | Solaris: Ah. Does it show up in lspci? |
| 19:25.09 | Pakal | is really the SAME performance? |
| 19:25.23 | pestilence | abrotman: at least with the sources you can inspect them yourself |
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| 19:25.40 | dvs | Pakal: they have several different versions of mplayer for different architectures. |
| 19:25.50 | Solaris | dendrite: yes |
| 19:25.51 | valdyn | pestilence: go ahead read that that inline assembly ) |
| 19:26.06 | pestilence | do the marillat packages have all of the codecs builtin? |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | pestilence: fine .. do whatever you want |
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| 19:26.25 | dendrite | Solaris: OK, so it's a PCI NIC. So if ifconfig -a doesn't show it, then you don't have the drivers properly loaded. |
| 19:26.28 | pestilence | abrotman: fine, i will! |
| 19:26.29 | Pakal | dvs: then, why isn't mplayer a part of the repositories? |
| 19:26.32 | abrotman | idiot |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | !mplayer license |
| 19:26.37 | dpkg | well, mplayer license is Many parts of MPlayer are covered by various software patents, which make it difficult for Debian to distribute MPlayer packages. Instead, grab debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>, or build them yourself. |
| 19:26.40 | pestilence | haha |
| 19:26.41 | Solaris | dendrite: how do i do that |
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| 19:26.58 | dendrite | Solaris: That's the $64 question. |
| 19:27.16 | dendrite | Solaris: Consider google, and also look for folks on linux-laptop site with same machine. |
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| 19:28.21 | dan2 | asg: ping |
| 19:28.34 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
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| 19:28.43 | dan2 | abrotman: winter at last |
| 19:28.44 | dan2 | :) |
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| 19:29.08 | dvs | dan2: BOO! |
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| 19:29.24 | kreiger | hey. i was hoping you guys could help me figure out something |
| 19:29.29 | racoontje | !grun |
| 19:29.29 | TummyAcid | here there |
| 19:29.30 | racoontje | !grub |
| 19:29.30 | dpkg | i guess grub is [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 19:29.40 | abrotman | dan2: no freaking kidding |
| 19:29.52 | abrotman | dan2: it's cold .. and wet .. and cold |
| 19:30.02 | kreiger | did you mention cold? |
| 19:30.06 | kreiger | Oh! and it's wet. |
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| 19:30.07 | equnix | what is qm modules and why doesn't i have it in my new 2.6 kernel? i can't load modules....... :( |
| 19:30.10 | abrotman | oh shit .. and it's cold |
| 19:30.33 | kreiger | Listen, i'm running MDK now, and i wanna switch, but i'm not sure which distro to go to. |
| 19:30.47 | kreiger | i'm considering debian, or ubuntu.. what's the differences? |
| 19:30.47 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 19:30.47 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 19:30.55 | dan2 | abrotman: and snow |
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| 19:31.02 | TummyAcid | ok i got the netinst image from debian's webpage but the tulip driver i need is not on the install, if i could obtain said tulip driver for sarge, would it be easy to drop it into the netinst image |
| 19:31.04 | abrotman | dan2: yeah .. i guess |
| 19:31.06 | pestilence | i am very impressed by ubuntu's installer... |
| 19:31.10 | abrotman | TummyAcid: yes it is |
| 19:31.16 | kreiger | Anything else? |
| 19:31.22 | dan2 | abrotman: I've got like a foot outside already |
| 19:31.26 | abrotman | !tell kreiger about why debian |
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| 19:31.31 | abrotman | dan2: i'm not even looking :) |
| 19:31.44 | valdyn | kreiger: ubuntu uses debians installer |
| 19:31.52 | kreiger | mmhmm. |
| 19:31.53 | dan2 | abrotman: well at least its higher than the curb |
| 19:31.55 | abrotman | TummyAcid: which NIC do you have? |
| 19:32.00 | pestilence | but it asks way fewer questions, i think |
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| 19:32.06 | kreiger | a friend of mine in #bb4win says debian is more pure than ubuntu |
| 19:32.16 | TummyAcid | netgear generic pcmcia |
| 19:32.22 | equnix | bögrövar |
| 19:32.22 | TummyAcid | it uses the tulip driver |
| 19:32.40 | abrotman | TummyAcid: some of the NICs that used tulip in 2.4 don't use it in 2.6 anymore |
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| 19:32.44 | alemao | !exim |
| 19:32.45 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 19:32.46 | dan2 | abrotman: look at the doplar maps yet? |
| 19:32.48 | pestilence | ubuntu's installer asks like 5 questions it seems... |
| 19:32.49 | abrotman | TummyAcid: but i can't remember which they use now |
| 19:32.53 | pestilence | which is good. |
| 19:32.54 | abrotman | dan2: i did a while ago .. |
| 19:32.56 | dan2 | abrotman: wednesday we'll get hit by another storm |
| 19:33.01 | dan2 | abrotman: probably more snow |
| 19:33.04 | dan2 | abrotman: looks bad |
| 19:33.10 | abrotman | dan2: fantastic!! |
| 19:33.12 | kreiger | Dan2, where do you live? i'm in connecticut |
| 19:33.20 | dan2 | kreiger: PA |
| 19:33.30 | kreiger | Ahh, i was in NJ for like, 7 years. |
| 19:33.33 | dan2 | abrotman: my boss is jumping up and down, he lives in Boston and wants monday off |
| 19:33.33 | kreiger | is your storm over yet? |
| 19:33.39 | dan2 | kreiger: far from it |
| 19:33.39 | abrotman | dan2: http://image.weather.com/web/radar/us_ec_9regradar_large_usen.jpg |
| 19:33.42 | TummyAcid | i thought sarge was 2.4 |
| 19:33.46 | kreiger | ouch. it's that bad? |
| 19:33.52 | abrotman | dan2: boss? .. your homeroom teacher? |
| 19:34.00 | dvs | TummyAcid: Sarge will be 3.1 |
| 19:34.01 | dan2 | abrotman: my boss |
| 19:34.08 | abrotman | dan2: you're 17? |
| 19:34.09 | TummyAcid | i mean kernel 2.4 |
| 19:34.14 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: asl? |
| 19:34.14 | ravenbird | fieldysnuts, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 19:34.19 | abrotman | TummyAcid: sarge has both |
| 19:34.21 | dan2 | abrotman: http://www.broadvoice.com |
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| 19:36.01 | abrotman | dan2: i thought you played varsity FB |
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| 19:36.09 | dan2 | abrotman: nah, I just play JV football atm |
| 19:36.22 | abrotman | dan2: oh |
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| 19:36.33 | linux_newbie | anything exciting happening today? |
| 19:36.35 | valdyn | viyyer: how often did you try? |
| 19:36.53 | TummyAcid | ok ihave it plugged in but ifconfig eth0 up fails |
| 19:36.55 | Solaris | crap, i don't have iwconfig, i dunno what debian calls it under apt-get, and i don't know how to get linux to know my card exists, it isn't listed under ifconfig |
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| 19:37.09 | abrotman | dan2: wait .. what do you spend your money on? |
| 19:37.10 | Solaris | i use ndiswrapper |
| 19:37.16 | dan2 | abrotman: not much |
| 19:37.24 | abrotman | !find iwconfig |
| 19:37.32 | valdyn | !find iwconfig |
| 19:37.33 | abrotman | dan2: saving for your first car? |
| 19:37.37 | dan2 | abrotman: technical books ... are now expensed to the company |
| 19:37.42 | dan2 | abrotman: nah |
| 19:37.46 | abrotman | dan2: hookers? |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (1 shown): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools. |
| 19:37.50 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 19:37.50 | dpkg | salut |
| 19:37.53 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:37.55 | Lee__ | viyyer: run apt-get update like that text recommends |
| 19:37.57 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't really spend money except computer stuff |
| 19:37.58 | abrotman | Solaris: install wireless-tools |
| 19:38.03 | abrotman | dan2: girlfriend? |
| 19:38.08 | dan2 | abrotman: that too |
| 19:38.15 | abrotman | they suck up lots |
| 19:38.28 | p8m | abrotman: ideally |
| 19:38.31 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't really care, she can't seem to suck up my hourly pay that quickly |
| 19:38.45 | linux_newbie | i used to have money, then i got a girlfriend |
| 19:38.55 | xam | black holes |
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| 19:39.09 | abrotman | dan2: heh |
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| 19:39.12 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm getting paid 35 an hour, I can't complain |
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| 19:39.36 | abrotman | dan2: i think that's more than me .. but i'm salary .. my rate on jobs ranges from 35 to 100 .. sometimes 150 |
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| 19:39.44 | viyyer | valdyn:- I tried quite a few times |
| 19:39.45 | linux_newbie | dan2: dang! are they hiring? |
| 19:39.57 | dan2 | linux_newbie: only customer service representatives atm |
| 19:40.14 | viyyer | Lee__:- which text ?? |
| 19:40.15 | linux_newbie | what company you work for? |
| 19:40.19 | abrotman | dan2: wait .. what is that per year? |
| 19:40.23 | dan2 | abrotman: hey, this is good money for a first job |
| 19:40.25 | valdyn | viyyer: try a different mirror - i guess |
| 19:40.28 | Solaris | ok, iwconfig installed |
| 19:40.35 | abrotman | dan2: yeah .. my first job was .. 55k/year i think |
| 19:40.38 | Solaris | now, it doesn't list my card w/ extentions |
| 19:40.39 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't work full time, so I can't really tell you, but I can give you a full year salery |
| 19:40.47 | linux_newbie | dan2: what company you work for? |
| 19:40.58 | Lee__ | viyyer: the text you took the time to paste but didn't read |
| 19:41.04 | dan2 | abrotman: roughly 72800 |
| 19:41.11 | dan2 | linux_newbie: broadvoice |
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| 19:41.30 | abrotman | dan2: not bad .. that could pay for college |
| 19:41.31 | dan2 | abrotman: I never did any of the deadend jobs, this is really my first job |
| 19:41.36 | viyyer | valdyn:- are you sure that'll help.. ! was just worried the package is not consistent :( |
| 19:41.39 | ramzez | hello people |
| 19:42.21 | dan2 | linux_newbie: thats not entirely true what I said before. We're looking for people who know C++, Java, Perl,SIP and RTP |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | dan2: good ... you can have lots of money |
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| 19:42.26 | ramzez | is there a package for usplash on debian sid ? I don't find it |
| 19:42.31 | linux_newbie | dan2: what do u do there? |
| 19:42.32 | abrotman | usplash? |
| 19:42.37 | abrotman | !find usplash |
| 19:42.38 | dan2 | linux_newbie: write voip software |
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| 19:42.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:42.43 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:42.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usplash' returned no results. |
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| 19:43.40 | ramzez | abrotman: it's a user mode bootsplash |
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| 19:43.53 | dan2 | abrotman: what ironic is, that we're actually beginning to move away from java |
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| 19:44.01 | mh_le | how do I get the synaptics touchpad driver to work? |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | dan2: i'm not surprised |
| 19:44.08 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 19:44.08 | dpkg | synaptics is probably http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download |
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| 19:44.52 | mh_le | abrotman, I already downloaded the driver with apt.. just don't know how to get it to work... |
| 19:44.54 | abrotman | dan2: java is scalable .. but if you do it wrong .. it's ugly |
| 19:44.58 | TummyAcid | ok ive booted linux86 the card is on and flashing with traffic but ifconfig eth0 up errs with no such device |
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| 19:45.11 | hyksos | hi, someone knows in which package the sqlapi++ is? |
| 19:45.14 | TummyAcid | do i need to insert mods? |
| 19:45.20 | TummyAcid | im using netinst sarge |
| 19:45.21 | abrotman | dan2: hey you konw what .. i've two friends near here that are currently out of work developers . .with tons of experience |
| 19:45.25 | dan2 | abrotman: believe me, its not scalable for sip |
| 19:45.31 | bobesponja | ii've just compiled my kernel with "make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg " and now I can't find any .deb in /usr/src, where could it be? |
| 19:45.39 | abrotman | dan2: you think your company might be interested? |
| 19:45.46 | dan2 | abrotman: I'm working offsite atm, but he really wants people to work in Lowell at the HQ |
| 19:46.02 | dan2 | abrotman: I can talk with them |
| 19:46.03 | abrotman | dan2: they are both excellent Java guys .. but also know C++/C perl .. tons fo other stuff |
| 19:46.17 | dan2 | abrotman: hmm, well looks good, have them send me an email |
| 19:46.25 | dvs | bobesponja: It's "make-kpkg kernel_image" |
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| 19:46.34 | dan2 | abrotman: I'd really love a development partner |
| 19:46.35 | abrotman | dan2: well .. ask your boss first .. the one just bought a house .. so he's not gonna move |
| 19:46.40 | dan2 | :) |
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| 19:46.43 | Solaris | how do i install my broadcom drivers using ndiswrapper, i did the ndiswrapper -i xxxyyyzzz.inf and ndiswrapper -m commands |
| 19:46.46 | abrotman | dan2: but ask your boss if he'd allow another remote developer |
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| 19:47.01 | bobesponja | dvs: can I just type make-kpkg kernel_image now? |
| 19:47.02 | routerdog | is resolv.conf recreated every reboot?? |
| 19:47.08 | dvs | bobesponja: yes. |
| 19:47.14 | abrotman | routerdog: depends |
| 19:47.18 | ravn | is there any standard in debian where media files should be kept (like audio, images and so on...). |
| 19:47.27 | abrotman | ravn: for a package? |
| 19:47.32 | tarzeau | ravn: i put background images into /usr/share/backgrounds/ |
| 19:47.49 | routerdog | abrotman seems my ISP info is recreated every boot I want it to stop! |
| 19:48.10 | abrotman | routerdog: change your dhcp client's config file |
| 19:48.12 | tarzeau | ravn: not sure where to put audio media to |
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| 19:48.25 | routerdog | abrotman oooh OK |
| 19:48.27 | tarzeau | ravn: put i'd go for /usr/share/ |
| 19:48.48 | ravn | no, but I have, say, 20 GB of mp3's (not downloaded, from my own CD's) which I would lika any user to access. |
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| 19:49.16 | abrotman | ravn: just make another mount point like /music |
| 19:49.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not /usr/share/music ? |
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| 19:49.48 | paulswm | ravn: FHS in debian-policy is a good guide to a filesystem standard, but for local files it's really up to you except it's good practice to stick to a standard, so it depends on whether the files are to be shareable across a network or just local to the host, and if local to the host, whether shareable amongst users, prolly /usr/local/share |
| 19:50.01 | ravn | yeh, well, maby I should. /usr/share/music sounds good. |
| 19:50.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: that works too :) |
| 19:50.11 | tarzeau | paulswm: i don't like FHS |
| 19:50.19 | NP_complete | Does anybody know which kind of chipset is on Polaroid PDC3030 deigital cameras?? |
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| 19:50.28 | Goldfish | Are any of you having problems with kmail 1.7.1 and gpg? |
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| 19:50.52 | abrotman | Goldfish: #debian-kde |
| 19:50.59 | abrotman | NP_complete: google? |
| 19:51.03 | NP_complete | no |
| 19:51.07 | abrotman | no? |
| 19:51.22 | abrotman | you're not gonna ask google .. or google doesn't know? |
| 19:51.24 | NP_complete | abortman: google doen't find it... |
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| 19:51.36 | abrotman | NP_complete: camera companies aren't very forthcoming with that info |
| 19:51.44 | NP_complete | yeah |
| 19:51.57 | NP_complete | i hate it |
| 19:52.09 | routerdog | abrotman what should I change in /etc/dhclient.conf?? |
| 19:52.23 | abrotman | routerdog: dunno .. read the man page for it |
| 19:52.55 | routerdog | abrotman is my dhclient setting up routes too? |
| 19:53.11 | abrotman | routerdog: probably .. but i'm not sure i'd mess with that |
| 19:53.47 | routerdog | abrotman THANKS :)~ |
| 19:54.06 | mh_le | how do I go about setting the synaptics driver up? |
| 19:54.12 | Daffy-PKF | does someone know where i can find a french training file for megahal? |
| 19:54.25 | linux_newbie | my kernel won't find my built in ethernet card on my Presario 1800T Laptop when I used make xconfig. I worked with the old kernel though |
| 19:54.34 | abrotman | linux_newbie: which nic? |
| 19:54.44 | abrotman | mh_le: /msg dpkg synatpics |
| 19:54.46 | abrotman | err |
| 19:54.50 | abrotman | mh_le: /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 19:55.00 | TummyAcid | abrotman: still no network device w/o tulip.o how can i add it to my netinst cd? |
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| 19:55.19 | linux_newbie | i'm not sure what brand or what it came built in to the laptop |
| 19:55.27 | mh_le | abrotman, I already have the driver from apt.. but getting X to use it... |
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| 19:55.46 | abrotman | TummyAcid: i'm pretty sure you're trying to use the wrong driver |
| 19:55.52 | abrotman | TummyAcid: which card again? |
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| 19:56.05 | TummyAcid | its a netgear... fa511 i think |
| 19:56.07 | TummyAcid | its pcmcia |
| 19:56.15 | joujou | is irc.mozilla.org down? |
| 19:56.22 | abrotman | TummyAcid: moment |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | TummyAcid: tulip_cb ? |
| 19:57.06 | abrotman | TummyAcid: you tried linux and linux26? |
| 19:57.10 | TummyAcid | yup |
| 19:57.49 | TummyAcid | both kernel versions |
| 19:57.53 | Solaris | how do i install my broadcom drivers using ndiswrapper, i did the ndiswrapper -i xxxyyyzzz.inf and ndiswrapper -m commands |
| 19:57.56 | abrotman | TummyAcid: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2003/10/msg00088.html |
| 19:57.58 | abrotman | read that |
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| 19:58.08 | linux_newbie | what is the network configuration utility? maybe i just need to reconfigure after the new kernel install |
| 19:58.25 | joujou | does anyone know of a page describing firefox toolbar howto |
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| 19:58.36 | dvs | linux_newbie: from what kernel to what kernel? |
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| 19:58.51 | abrotman | TummyAcid: and the links |
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| 19:58.59 | linux_newbie | 2.4.26-1-386 to 2.4.27 |
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| 19:59.29 | abrotman | linux_newbie: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 19:59.30 | dvs | linux_newbie: Is the 2.4.27 kernel a Debian package? |
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| 19:59.50 | linux_newbie | dvs: i downloaded the kernel source from debian and used make xconfig |
| 20:00.03 | Solaris | my device is not listed with modprobe -l |
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| 20:00.20 | dvs | linux_newbie: you probably forgot to include the right module |
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| 20:00.33 | TummyAcid | abrotman: it worked fine with the woody install |
| 20:00.49 | linux_newbie | i've looked and tried several different ones with no success |
| 20:00.51 | TummyAcid | but the netinst cd i got aparantly doenst have tulip.o |
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| 20:01.01 | TummyAcid | im sure teh driver will work if i can get it on the cd |
| 20:01.04 | abrotman | TummyAcid: well .. you can upgrade woody to sarge .... |
| 20:01.10 | TummyAcid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | TummyAcid: you don't have to setup the network to install |
| 20:01.18 | TummyAcid | but i got some kind of keymap error |
| 20:01.37 | linux_newbie | abrotman: two error messages and one line of actual info...i'll type them now... |
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| 20:01.41 | TummyAcid | yes but theni have to download the entire cd when i just need a few packages for a minimal install |
| 20:01.50 | abrotman | TummyAcid: did you check linux-laptop.net at all? |
| 20:02.19 | abrotman | TummyAcid: also you can ask #debian-boot how you might get that driver going |
| 20:02.25 | TummyAcid | nope. it works great with woody but i had to donwload the entire first cd to get it to boot |
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| 20:02.51 | TummyAcid | alright ill ask them if the full first cd cant figure it out |
| 20:02.57 | abrotman | ok |
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| 20:03.58 | tyia | what was the util that can be used for top-like polling of the contents of a file? (i.e. it updates the view after a set interval)? |
| 20:04.16 | abrotman | tyia: watch head <file> |
| 20:04.33 | tyia | abrotman: aw, elementary... thanks |
| 20:04.57 | abrotman | tyia: oh wait .. what contents? |
| 20:05.00 | abrotman | then end? |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | err the end? |
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| 20:05.11 | Seb | how do you set the default keymap in debian ? |
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| 20:05.20 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 20:05.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 20:05.28 | abrotman | Seb: didn't i tell you that the other day? |
| 20:05.34 | Seb | abrotman: definitely not :) |
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| 20:05.39 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 20:05.44 | abrotman | tyia: you still there? |
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| 20:06.17 | linux_newbie | ACPI-1133: *** Error: Method execution failed [\_SB_.BATT._STA] (Node d3fe3fe0), AE_NOT_EXIST |
| 20:06.31 | abrotman | run ... |
| 20:06.32 | tyia | back now... yes, watch was exactly the thing I needed |
| 20:06.33 | abrotman | run fast!! |
| 20:06.44 | linux_newbie | second line is the same except ACPI-1133 is replaced by ACPI-0154 |
| 20:06.46 | abrotman | tyia: oh ok .. there's also tail -f .. if you're like tailing a log file |
| 20:06.54 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 20:06.54 | dpkg | i heard acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0" |
| 20:07.06 | tyia | abrotman: doesn't work for /proc though |
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| 20:07.13 | abrotman | tyia: ok |
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| 20:07.42 | linux_newbie | third line is eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, <mac address>, IRQ 11 |
| 20:07.45 | acetech | does anyone know why cd ripping is done so slowly in windows |
| 20:07.51 | acetech | i mean linux |
| 20:08.02 | tyia | acetech: dma on? |
| 20:08.21 | acetech | tyia, how can i check to make sure? |
| 20:08.31 | abrotman | acetech: hdparm .. read the man page .. and be very careful |
| 20:08.48 | Blain | Howdy folks. I'm trying to get the mozilla-vlc-plugin to play nicely with firefox 1.0 on my sid-based system. I apt-got the plugin, but it's not showing up under about:plugins. I found a filename about plugins in .vlc/cache/ and copied it into ./mozilla/plugins, but that didn't do it either. I've looked to see if I can found out where the plugin is installed and haven't found a hint. ... |
| 20:08.49 | Seb | abrotman: that doesn't seem to work on woody -> package not found |
| 20:08.50 | Blain | ...Any ideas? |
| 20:08.56 | tyia | acetech: google dma linux hdparm |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | linux_newbie: is there actually a problem .. or you're sharing all of this for fun? |
| 20:09.02 | tyia | !dma |
| 20:09.02 | dpkg | dma is, like, (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn off dma, echo "using_dma:0" > /proc/ide/hda/settings and hdparm -d0 /dev/hda |
| 20:09.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 852] by debhelper |
| 20:09.23 | linux_newbie | yes, there is a problem, i cannot connect to my network or the internet |
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| 20:09.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:10.05 | abrotman | linux_newbie: ifconfig -a .. is oyur NIC shown? |
| 20:10.21 | tyia | Blain: I personally use plugger |
| 20:10.31 | Blain | mozplugger? |
| 20:10.35 | tyia | Blain: yeah |
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| 20:10.46 | linux_newbie | abrotman: yes |
| 20:10.51 | Bizarro_paco | hi everyone |
| 20:10.57 | xWin2 | hello! |
| 20:11.09 | mh_le | how do I enable the synaptics driver? |
| 20:11.09 | xWin2 | how to mount a windows partition in debian? |
| 20:11.11 | abrotman | linux_newbie: can you ping it? |
| 20:11.12 | Blain | tyia -- I added that earlier, but it hasn't made a difference I can notice. |
| 20:11.12 | Bizarro_paco | snowing like a banshee here in michigan |
| 20:11.16 | tyia | Blain: does vlc support the Win32 codecs? |
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| 20:11.24 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: bah .. i'm in philly .. check the weather map :) |
| 20:11.37 | Bizarro_paco | ;) |
| 20:11.40 | Blain | Seems to. wma/wmv and a bunch of others (other than real). |
| 20:11.46 | tyia | Blain: plugger works out of the box if you have mplayer installed |
| 20:11.47 | dvs | This storm must be HUGE. |
| 20:11.54 | abrotman | dvs: different storms |
| 20:11.58 | linux_newbie | abrotman: what is the command? |
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| 20:12.04 | Bizarro_paco | well, the forecast for my computer is partly confusing |
| 20:12.12 | calin | What's a good https proxy? |
| 20:12.13 | linux_newbie | just ping eth0? |
| 20:12.16 | abrotman | linux_newbie: ping <IP> |
| 20:12.16 | Blain | tyia -- I've tried to get mplayer to install -- spent a full day on it once, and couldn't get any kind of gui response and console response was inconsistant. |
| 20:12.45 | equnix | is is possible to use the new nvidia-installer binary (only the installer) to create a module the way you could with kernel 2.4 (custom 2.6 kernel) |
| 20:12.47 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 20:12.48 | dpkg | [mplayer] not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available. marillat website is DOWN. See: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (maybe) |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | equnix: #nvidia |
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| 20:12.56 | Bizarro_paco | i have sarge, and when i tried to run a setup program for my wirless card, the error message says "Permission Denied." |
| 20:13.02 | tyia | Blain: nerim.net |
| 20:13.05 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: are you root? |
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| 20:13.08 | linux_newbie | abrotman: the nic "eth0" does not have an ip listed in it's information |
| 20:13.14 | Bizarro_paco | yes |
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| 20:13.18 | coywolf | why it's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication? |
| 20:13.20 | tyia | Blain: oops, hold on asec |
| 20:13.22 | abrotman | linux_newbie: is it dhcp? |
| 20:13.27 | Blain | xWin2 -- mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever |
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| 20:13.33 | linux_newbie | yes, supposed to be |
| 20:13.51 | Blain | tyia -- did try that in the midst of that day with absolutely no result I could see. |
| 20:13.51 | abrotman | linux_newbie: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:13.59 | coywolf | how do i know RSA or DSA is enabled? |
| 20:14.28 | tyia | Blain http://debian.udsu.ru/.1/debian-soft/marillat/ |
| 20:14.32 | Bizarro_paco | abortman: yes, i am root |
| 20:14.43 | xWin2 | Blain: yes, but (mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,or too many mounted file systems) |
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| 20:15.06 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: not sure .. wait a bit and ask again |
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| 20:15.14 | tyia | Blain: precompiled mplayer debs there |
| 20:15.17 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): okay |
| 20:15.23 | calin | anyone, package name for an http proxy? |
| 20:15.28 | Blain | then maybe mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever |
| 20:15.28 | abrotman | !squid |
| 20:15.28 | dpkg | somebody said squid was the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form |
| 20:15.29 | asg | calin: squid |
| 20:15.37 | linux_newbie | socket: protocol not available - make sure CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER are defined in your kernel configuration! |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 20:15.41 | linux_newbie | exiting |
| 20:15.47 | linux_newbie | Failed to bring up eth0 |
| 20:15.48 | asg | abrotman: hiya, hope the washing was a success. |
| 20:15.49 | linux_newbie | done. |
| 20:15.52 | Blain | xWin2 Is it a XP partition |
| 20:15.52 | abrotman | linux_newbie: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 20:16.00 | linux_newbie | yes |
| 20:16.03 | abrotman | asg: yes .. but it's getting ugly around here |
| 20:16.07 | abrotman | linux_newbie: why? |
| 20:16.07 | tyia | AW!!! |
| 20:16.12 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 20:16.26 | xWin2 | Blain: no, windows 98 |
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| 20:16.31 | linux_newbie | b/c i couldn't find the sources for the one that debian auto installed |
| 20:16.37 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i mounted the cdrom correctly; the next command was "/cdrom/sextup.exe" |
| 20:16.45 | abrotman | linux_newbie: but why did you compile a kernel? |
| 20:16.48 | Blain | xWin2 -- thought that used a vfat fs. Just a sec. |
| 20:16.54 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: say what? |
| 20:17.15 | abrotman | linux_newbie: i mean .. did you have a special need? |
| 20:17.15 | Hrinfick123 | Hi! I want that my usb-storage devices are mounted automatically when I insert them. How can I do this? |
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| 20:17.24 | paulswm | Bizarro_paco: are you trying to run a windows executable from Linux? |
| 20:17.36 | linux_newbie | not really, it all started because i couldn't get my wireless card to work |
| 20:17.38 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i am a debian newbie..yes...i am a super newb |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | PS2 or TA ... |
| 20:17.43 | jesusfish | where does Debian keep the list of modules that a kernel loads on bootup? |
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| 20:17.54 | abrotman | !kernel dhcp |
| 20:17.54 | dpkg | Use CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) (dhcp-client package requires it) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
| 20:17.59 | abrotman | linux_newbie: ^^^ |
| 20:18.15 | abrotman | linux_newbie: you need those two options .. start recomiling |
| 20:18.22 | abrotman | !tell linux_newbie about kp |
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| 20:18.28 | linux_newbie | ok |
| 20:18.32 | abrotman | !magic hate ball |
| 20:18.37 | asg | jesusfish: /etc/modules |
| 20:18.40 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: what are you trying to run? |
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| 20:19.03 | jesusfish | asg: I have a heck of a lot more modules loaded than are in there though |
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| 20:19.07 | Bizarro_paco | abrotman:a setup program for my wireless card |
| 20:19.12 | Blain | xWin2 -- ah, it uses FAT32, so mount -t fat32 /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever, then 'man fstab' on how to get it to mount automagicall |
| 20:19.22 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: that's for windows |
| 20:19.25 | paulswm | Bizarro_paco: you can't use the Windows setup CD rom under Linux |
| 20:19.26 | asg | jesusfish: then they are loaded via an initrd image you are using, or discover or hotplug |
| 20:19.27 | abrotman | i would guess anyways |
| 20:19.43 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): it is a linksys wirelss g wpc54g |
| 20:19.51 | abrotman | that means .. nothing to me |
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| 20:20.02 | xWin2 | Blain: |
| 20:20.02 | xWin2 | mount: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel |
| 20:20.10 | abrotman | !vfat |
| 20:20.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, vfat is a very fat 32 bit version of a pathetic filesystem, or apt-get install dosfstools, then man mkfs.vfat, or for info on getting write access for regular users, "/msg apt vfatrw" |
| 20:20.53 | Blain | You can always mount it as msdos -- you'll lose long filenames, but it'll work. mount -t msdos /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever |
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| 20:20.58 | linux_newbie | ok, i'm recompiling now...it was the socket filtering that i should have checked but didn't |
| 20:21.00 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): so, debian cannot run a wireless card? |
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| 20:21.04 | abrotman | LinusGates: ok |
| 20:21.06 | paulswm | Bizarro_paco: that's a BRoadcom chipset and you need ndiswrapper to run it under Linux |
| 20:21.12 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: no .. i'm on wireless now ... |
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| 20:21.14 | FieldySnuts | heh ndiswrapper. get a different card. |
| 20:21.24 | linux_newbie | so what is the difference between "the debian way" and make xconfig? |
| 20:21.25 | abrotman | !kill broadcom |
| 20:21.37 | abrotman | linux_newbie: much easier to manage the kernel packages |
| 20:21.43 | linux_newbie | oh |
| 20:21.53 | asg | linux_newbie: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:21.57 | dvs | linux_newbie: you get a custom deb package. |
| 20:21.57 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): okay..i can get ndiswrapper from google? |
| 20:21.59 | mh_le | I just installed the Nvidia driver on my laptop, and when I tried to start X, the screen turned off and the machine froze.. how can I fix this?? |
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| 20:22.04 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: no idea ... |
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| 20:22.20 | Covener | mh_le: try different nvagp settings in X11 config |
| 20:22.21 | anti-windows | For GTK+ development purposes, what packages do I need? |
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| 20:22.35 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): okay...by the way, are you running debian, or mandrake or what? |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | anti-windows: libgtk1.2-dev iirc |
| 20:22.43 | xWin2 | Blain: with mount -t msdos: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many mounted file systems |
| 20:22.48 | FieldySnuts | Bizarro_paco: guess. |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: this channel is called #debian .. what do you thnik? |
| 20:22.55 | Covener | xWin2: you want -t vfat |
| 20:22.59 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): debian |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: i get the feeling you're not runnig debian |
| 20:23.02 | paulswm | Bizarro_paco: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List |
| 20:23.03 | Blain | xWin2 -- weird. |
| 20:23.05 | equnix | the nvidia howto (/msg dpkg nvidia-howto) fails on step 4... so the drivers are not installed |
| 20:23.13 | anti-windows | abrotman: ah; any idea what the package name is for GTK2? |
| 20:23.14 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 20:23.23 | abrotman | anti-windows: apt-cache search gtk dev |
| 20:23.24 | Shadur | equnix: Step 4 being--? |
| 20:23.28 | Blain | Covener -- he tried that. |
| 20:23.36 | Iconsumed | just installing debian sarge, but I can't get my mouse working with it... it's an microsoft intellimouse optical, 7 button... so I tried both /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux but it doesn't move... |
| 20:23.42 | Covener | Blain: It looks like he tried 'fat32' |
| 20:23.43 | equnix | Shadur debian/rules binary_modules |
| 20:23.44 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i am running it...but i was inspired by a freind to try and learn it, but now, new and sexier linux versions are around now, like mandrake.... |
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| 20:23.50 | will_cat | hola |
| 20:23.53 | FieldySnuts | Covener: vfat, not fat32 |
| 20:23.54 | mh_le | Covener, there aren't any... |
| 20:23.57 | will_cat | hello |
| 20:23.59 | will_cat | sorry |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | anti-windows: apt-cache search libgtk |
| 20:24.03 | Blain | Covernor -- he tried that too. |
| 20:24.07 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): is it worth the effort to learn debian when mandrake is around? |
| 20:24.08 | FieldySnuts | @troll Bizarro_paco |
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| 20:24.23 | paulswm | well screw him if he just wants to ignore my help |
| 20:24.26 | Shadur | equnix: I usually just call it from make-kpkg modules |
| 20:24.27 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: depends on your goals .. |
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| 20:24.39 | asg | paulswm: now you've got the spirit. |
| 20:24.43 | Blain | paulswm -- I would, but he's not my type. Anything else? |
| 20:24.45 | paulswm | asg: heh |
| 20:24.47 | equnix | Shadur how? |
| 20:24.55 | anti-windows | abrotman: thanks! :) |
| 20:25.01 | abrotman | anti-windows: np |
| 20:25.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate abrotman |
| 20:25.04 | jesusfish | asg: where would the iptables modules to be loaded be set? |
| 20:25.04 | abrotman | !tell anti-windows about search |
| 20:25.06 | ravenbird | !irritate abrotman |
| 20:25.07 | dpkg | abrotman: wenas how can I make my kanotix werkz kthx |
| 20:25.07 | Solaris | how do i uninstall ndiswrapper with module-assistant, i want to reinstall it |
| 20:25.13 | Bizarro_paco | abrotman:my goal is to have a server |
| 20:25.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you think? :) |
| 20:25.18 | Hrinfick123 | Hi! I want that my usb-storage devices are mounted automatically when I insert them. How can I do this? |
| 20:25.23 | equnix | why wont the nvidia binary just install when dealing with linux 2.6? |
| 20:25.25 | KillerBunny | Is there a tool to ghost a debian install? |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: i'd personally use debian .. but it's up to you .. |
| 20:25.29 | equnix | can anyone tell me that? |
| 20:25.35 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, he's stuck to you though, must think you're cute |
| 20:25.36 | Iconsumed | is anyone into configuring mice in sarge? |
| 20:25.37 | FieldySnuts | equnix: ask nvidia, it's their binary not ours |
| 20:25.40 | abrotman | paulswm: i guess |
| 20:25.46 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 20:25.49 | dur | can someone direct me to a site on how to install debian from scratch and have a working graphical desktop? |
| 20:25.55 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): well, samba..isn't that a server utility? |
| 20:26.02 | mh_le | equnix, have you install the kernel headers? |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:26.11 | abrotman | !tell Bizarro_paco about why debian |
| 20:26.12 | equnix | mh_le it's a custom kernel, so yes |
| 20:26.18 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: go read those .. then come back and ask more |
| 20:26.19 | mh_le | oh okay |
| 20:26.29 | equnix | mh_le i've been trying to install the drivers for hours |
| 20:26.38 | mh_le | ouch |
| 20:26.48 | KillerBunny | equnix, its not really that hard. |
| 20:26.57 | KillerBunny | remeber to get the kernel headers |
| 20:27.01 | KillerBunny | And the newest driver. |
| 20:27.03 | equnix | KillerBunny oh, i guess i havn't been trying and reading howtos for hours then |
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| 20:27.17 | paulswm | dur: install sarge (testing) and here's a good place to start (note the docs links) : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:27.23 | KillerBunny | And make a making a ln -sf to the kernel headers. |
| 20:27.29 | equnix | KillerBunny the kernel source tree is in /usr/src/linux, the driver was downloaded from nvidia.com today |
| 20:27.33 | Spec | quit |
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| 20:27.44 | mh_le | can anyone tell me why my laptops monitor shuts off and computer goes down when I try to use the nvidia drivers? |
| 20:27.44 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): what should i read? |
| 20:27.47 | KillerBunny | And what are the install errorS? |
| 20:27.54 | abrotman | !tell Bizarro_paco about why debian |
| 20:27.57 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 20:27.58 | abrotman | read what dpkg told you |
| 20:28.07 | equnix | KillerBunny in the binary or in the /msg dpkg nvidia-howto procedure? |
| 20:28.09 | abrotman | [] close .... |
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| 20:28.20 | Bizarro_paco | thanx |
| 20:28.21 | valdyn | !tell equnix about nvidia |
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| 20:28.34 | KillerBunny | !tell KillerBunny about nvidia |
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| 20:28.57 | Blain | !tell Blain about vlc |
| 20:29.05 | abrotman | !nap |
| 20:29.05 | dpkg | well, nap is a command line napster client, at http://www.gis.net/~nite , also check out http://opennap.sourceforge.net/, or is now open source finally, or you may want to try TekNap instead |
| 20:29.14 | abrotman | well .. not what i expected |
| 20:29.24 | linux_newbie | lol |
| 20:29.41 | linux_newbie | !sleep |
| 20:29.41 | dpkg | somebody said sleep was For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 20:29.53 | Bizarro_paco | abrotman:i am going to readthose, but its funny..i noticed that debian already 'saw' my other computers in my house right away; whereas, with window$, i had to set everything up |
| 20:30.20 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: weird things happen when you use a quality OS :) |
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| 20:30.53 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): ha ha...but u like debian even over mandrake and suse? |
| 20:31.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:31.00 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:31.03 | abrotman | MDK is crap |
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| 20:31.08 | asg | jesusfish: well, they are usually loaded on demand when you using iptables |
| 20:31.14 | abrotman | SuSE is ok ... better than most others |
| 20:31.32 | linux_newbie | !ne1 |
| 20:31.32 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 20:31.36 | gravity | MDK has its place... but it's not on the server |
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| 20:31.57 | linux_newbie | !wud |
| 20:31.57 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 20:32.00 | abrotman | it's not on anything i own |
| 20:32.01 | jesusfish | asg: k, wasn't sure |
| 20:32.03 | asg | jesusfish: if they exist, they will be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter |
| 20:32.09 | abrotman | MDK is garbage everywhere |
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| 20:32.23 | jesusfish | asg: ya, the module I need is available |
| 20:32.24 | gravity | abrotman: I still think it's a great training wheels distro |
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| 20:32.33 | abrotman | gravity: i'd choose SuSE |
| 20:32.37 | gravity | abrotman: Although now that Ubuntu is around, it's kind of superfluous |
| 20:32.40 | jesusfish | asg: it just wasn't loading automatically |
| 20:32.45 | covux | hi. iam using xine for watching tv via dvb-s card. switching channels takes very long (xine always starts to buffer stream). is there a parameter i could tweak to speed things up? thx |
| 20:32.52 | abrotman | gravity: the quality of MDK is much less than what it used to be about 4 years ago |
| 20:32.55 | gravity | abrotman: I've never actually used SuSE |
| 20:33.03 | gravity | abrotman: Really? That's a shame. 4 years ago it wasn't that great |
| 20:33.09 | abrotman | gravity: no kidding :) |
| 20:33.11 | gravity | That's the last time I used it though |
| 20:33.29 | abrotman | MDK has never been that good |
| 20:33.29 | asg | abrotman: 4 years ago, grep -ilr redhat / would produce a shitload of output |
| 20:33.40 | abrotman | asg: i know .. now they much up thier own crap :) |
| 20:34.08 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): are you a kde or gnome? |
| 20:34.08 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: gnome and blackbox |
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| 20:34.12 | FieldySnuts | mdk uses rpm, nuff said |
| 20:34.20 | gravity | Nothing wrong with rpm really |
| 20:34.20 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): you don't use kde? |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | !rpm |
| 20:34.24 | dpkg | i guess rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method |
| 20:34.27 | gravity | It's all in the policy |
| 20:34.30 | xelam|home | !kde |
| 20:34.30 | dpkg | hmm... kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.3.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager |
| 20:34.31 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: i strongly dislike kde |
| 20:34.37 | xelam|home | kde sucks :S |
| 20:34.41 | xelam|home | gnome++ |
| 20:34.44 | Rawplayer | k |
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| 20:34.50 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): is it because they are propietary? |
| 20:34.50 | asg | !start a wm sar |
| 20:34.51 | gravity | Christ, stop playing with the fucking bot |
| 20:34.52 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 20:34.52 | dpkg | kdm is the one true way! |
| 20:34.53 | asg | bah |
| 20:35.02 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: no .. i think it just generally sucks |
| 20:35.17 | xelam|home | KDE isn't proprietary... |
| 20:35.17 | abrotman | !start a de war |
| 20:35.28 | abrotman | xelam|home: i let that slide on purpose :) |
| 20:35.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a wm war |
| 20:35.35 | ravenbird | X bites! |
| 20:35.43 | FieldySnuts | yeah. X is a wm. |
| 20:35.50 | paulswm | !start a wm war |
| 20:35.51 | dpkg | emacs blows! |
| 20:35.53 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i think it is slow myself..i had gnome, until a friend told me kde wa better. i would like to get out of kde, and use gnome again... |
| 20:35.57 | paulswm | geez |
| 20:36.02 | pimpwell | can I install apache from the apt? |
| 20:36.02 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: so do it |
| 20:36.05 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an editor war |
| 20:36.05 | ravenbird | vim doesn't deserve to be in red hat |
| 20:36.10 | abrotman | pimpwell: yes |
| 20:36.11 | paulswm | pimpwell: yes |
| 20:36.14 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 20:36.14 | xelam|home | pimpwell: apt-get install apache maybe? |
| 20:36.19 | abrotman | !tell pimpwell about search |
| 20:36.20 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: no idea. wasn't me. |
| 20:36.24 | kreiger | I use Either Englightenment or Kde |
| 20:36.28 | xelam|home | (or apache2) |
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| 20:36.38 | kreiger | I tried fluxbox, but i don't like the lack of icons |
| 20:36.41 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i am a newb..and now a troll i guess...i have to look up the code |
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| 20:36.51 | dorkubus | hi kiddos |
| 20:36.58 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:37.11 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: you just need to read some i guess |
| 20:37.15 | paulswm | !nickometer dorkubus |
| 20:37.15 | dpkg | 'dorkubus' is 0.000% lame, paulswm |
| 20:37.23 | dorkubus | haha |
| 20:37.26 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:37.26 | dorkubus | this is a dumb nick |
| 20:37.28 | paulswm | dorkubus: heh |
| 20:37.32 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): yep..but i know enough to NOT stary from debian |
| 20:37.39 | kreiger | !nickometer Kreiger |
| 20:37.42 | kreiger | awww |
| 20:37.43 | ignatius | !nickometer ignatius |
| 20:37.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: nickometer !@#%^@#% |
| 20:37.52 | acetech | is it normal to take 994 minutes to rip and encode a cd? |
| 20:37.53 | ravenbird | '!@#%^@#%' is 99.9835% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 20:37.58 | simonrvn | @stupid bot tricks |
| 20:37.59 | ravenbird | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg, or join #debian-bots. |
| 20:38.04 | xelam|home | acetech: no |
| 20:38.04 | mh_le | is there anyway to remove udev while not haivng to delete gnome? |
| 20:38.08 | ignatius | hahaha |
| 20:38.12 | ignatius | okay |
| 20:38.15 | ignatius | moving right along |
| 20:38.20 | linux_newbie | ok, kernel is reconfigured and installed....rebooting computer nwo |
| 20:38.24 | linux_newbie | nwo=now |
| 20:38.25 | ignatius | where can I find some good amd64 help? |
| 20:38.25 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: stray you mean? |
| 20:38.39 | ignatius | don't say amd64, either. That channel is deader than the demcrats. |
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| 20:38.45 | asg | ignatius: #debian-amd64 |
| 20:38.49 | ignatius | bam |
| 20:38.50 | ignatius | thanks |
| 20:38.54 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): yes |
| 20:39.01 | Bizarro_paco | i am a troll who cannot type |
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| 20:39.04 | asg | ignatius: then go and make it better |
| 20:39.06 | abrotman | ignatius: they wake up a lot ... |
| 20:39.09 | Bizarro_paco | i am a non-typing troll |
| 20:39.10 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: hal requires udev; hal is a part of gnome. Thus, if you remove hal, you'll remove the gnome meta package. |
| 20:39.44 | xelam|home | does unstable have php5? |
| 20:39.52 | simonrvn | bo |
| 20:39.56 | asg | xelam|home: no |
| 20:39.56 | simonrvn | no even |
| 20:40.01 | xelam|home | hmm |
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| 20:40.05 | MrKeuner | hi, when I click on a hyperlink anywhere in gnome, instead of opening a new window gnome uses an already open window if one exists. How can I change this behaviour? |
| 20:40.06 | xelam|home | why not? :S |
| 20:40.20 | dondelelcaro | !php5 |
| 20:40.20 | dpkg | it has been said that php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system |
| 20:40.23 | linux_newbie | abrotman: thank you very much it works now!!! |
| 20:40.34 | linux_newbie | abrotman: now for the wireless card :S |
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| 20:40.37 | abrotman | linux_newbie: i have faith in me :) |
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| 20:41.07 | Seb | how can apt-setup manage to scan my DVD, but yet apt-get install never "sees" it in the drive (it keeps on asking me to insert the 1st dvd) ? |
| 20:41.15 | acetech | could it be the codec im using for the cd's? |
| 20:41.20 | kreiger | debian uses apt-get or dpkg? |
| 20:41.32 | abrotman | both |
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| 20:41.39 | simonrvn | kreiger: um, both |
| 20:41.41 | kreiger | why both? |
| 20:41.48 | asg | kreiger: apt-get is a network enabled frontend to dpkg |
| 20:41.49 | gravity | MrKeuner: What web browser are you using? |
| 20:41.52 | kreiger | i haven't installed it yet, so don't yell at me. |
| 20:41.54 | xelam|home | theyre different things |
| 20:41.55 | kreiger | Ahh |
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| 20:42.04 | linux_newbie | for a US Robotics 5410, would ndiswrapper be a good choice? |
| 20:42.10 | kreiger | I'm using mdk now, and i want to switch, but i'm doing some homework |
| 20:42.13 | acetech | abrotman, i have Udma support on the drive but it is still extremly slow... windows can encode a cd in 15minutes |
| 20:42.14 | abrotman | what is 5410? |
| 20:42.15 | asg | kreiger: it also grabs dependent packages whereas dpkg just complains at you to do it |
| 20:42.24 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i am trying to start anything, but why do people say that mandrake is better for running high end vdeo apps, like vdieo capture cards..are they just newbs?? |
| 20:42.25 | linux_newbie | my wireless networking card |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | acetech: different quality rip? |
| 20:42.31 | dondelelcaro | slightly more complex than that, but that's the basic idea. |
| 20:42.32 | johnsu01 | Anyone know how to add fatx support to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:42.41 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: i have no idea ... |
| 20:42.46 | acetech | abrotman, do you think ogg format will be quicker? |
| 20:43.14 | abrotman | acetech: not a clue .. i don't encode stuff |
| 20:43.15 | kreiger | asg, so the two combined do what urpmi does? |
| 20:43.33 | asg | kreiger: dunno, I've never used urpmi |
| 20:43.37 | paulswm | linux_newbie: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List looks like your card is there |
| 20:43.41 | Covener | Bizarro_paco: I can't imagine any informed person saying anything like that |
| 20:43.47 | kreiger | Urpmi downloads, unpacks and installs |
| 20:43.47 | johnsu01 | I've checked out the kernel-2.6 module from xbox-linux, but not sure how to build the module or patch the kernel.. |
| 20:43.54 | asg | kreiger: then yes |
| 20:43.58 | asg | kreiger: basically |
| 20:44.02 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): i am removing kde right now |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:44.21 | linux_newbie | paulswm: yeah, i've noticed that, that is what i was going to try, i was just wondering if anyone else in here has used that way or knows a better way |
| 20:44.23 | Seb | what's the x meta package that installs it all ? |
| 20:44.25 | kreiger | So i have to apt-get <name> then dpkg <name> ? |
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| 20:44.33 | asg | Seb: x-window-system |
| 20:44.36 | abrotman | Seb: |
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| 20:44.39 | abrotman | bah .. asg beat me |
| 20:44.40 | Seb | thx |
| 20:44.47 | Seb | abrotman: nice try though ;) |
| 20:44.53 | asg | abrotman: well, that depends on his definition of 'all' |
| 20:44.53 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 20:44.58 | abrotman | consolation prize |
| 20:45.08 | valdyn | kreiger: i would suspect that urpmi uses rpm the way that apt-get uses dpkg, no need to call dpkg directly. apt-get install <foopackage> installls it |
| 20:45.19 | kreiger | ahhhhh. |
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| 20:45.30 | kreiger | ok, i didn't know dpkg and rpm where the same things |
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| 20:45.36 | kreiger | that'sm what had me confused |
| 20:45.37 | paulswm | linux_newbie: looks like you'll prolly have to google :( |
| 20:45.46 | kreiger | danke, valdyn |
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| 20:46.21 | Nemoder | how do you load firmware onto a usb device? the hotplug script doesn't even appear to be trying |
| 20:46.23 | simonrvn | dump bgp all /tmp/bgp.dump |
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| 20:46.35 | linux_newbie | i have, most of google leads to linuxant and they want money :( |
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| 20:47.05 | abrotman | i've got .. SNOW!!!!!!!! |
| 20:47.08 | MrKeuner | forget my question. it is a setting in firefox. |
| 20:47.13 | AMD_ | how would i format a variable in a bash script for this command?: wget -q -O - http://192.168.1.1/advstat.htm | grep '<td class="s5"> ' | sed -e '2,$d' | cut -b 26-61 |
| 20:47.18 | TummyAcid | the sarge cd verification says my cd is wrong, but i just burned it |
| 20:47.22 | AMD_ | i get line 3: =864: command not found when i try to run it |
| 20:47.23 | abrotman | AMD_: #bash ? |
| 20:47.28 | TummyAcid | should i waste my last three cds on trying again? |
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| 20:48.03 | paulswm | linux_newbie: so try ndiswrapper, if you get a satisfactory spped out of it that's really all that matters anyway |
| 20:48.04 | TummyAcid | ive got the entire first cd btw |
| 20:48.09 | AMD_ | abrotman, no voice ;( |
| 20:48.11 | paulswm | s/spped/speed/ |
| 20:48.13 | abrotman | did you md5 the ISO ? |
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| 20:48.24 | abrotman | AMD_: so .. register your nick? |
| 20:48.45 | linux_newbie | true |
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| 20:49.01 | AMD_ | abrotman, got me |
| 20:49.15 | abrotman | AMD_: i'm telling you to |
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| 20:49.45 | TummyAcid | nope, whats an easy way to do that in windows? |
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| 20:51.32 | h2k | how can i downgrade from libvorbis0a to libvorbis0 ? |
| 20:51.39 | TummyAcid | ive got this proggie called fsum for dos but it just gives me a different hash that doesnt even look similar to the md5 i get fromt he site |
| 20:51.44 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 20:51.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 20:51.51 | mh_le | can anyone tell me why my laptops monitor shuts off and computer goes down when I try to use the nvidia drivers? |
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| 20:51.57 | AMD_ | abrotman. the channel demigods have stolen your voice! :( i even reg'd my nick |
| 20:52.21 | abrotman | AMD_: did you? |
| 20:52.34 | AMD_ | abrotman, yep, had actually a while ago, but forgot to identify myself :) |
| 20:52.36 | simonrvn | /msg nickserv help |
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| 20:52.43 | tarzeau | http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/01/emp-death-ray.html |
| 20:52.54 | tarzeau | TummyAcid: www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
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| 20:53.21 | tarzeau | TummyAcid: there's openssl for windows, openssl md5 thefile |
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| 20:54.03 | rednecktek | I'm trying to track down an apparently, random reboot. Looking through syslog and messages, I don's see anything. Anywhere else I should check? |
| 20:54.09 | TummyAcid | yes i understand however windows ith te only os so far that works with my wifi card, all will change if i can find suitable install sources for sarge |
| 20:54.21 | tarzeau | rednecktek: heating problem? |
| 20:54.30 | tarzeau | rednecktek: did you put your finger into the computer yet? |
| 20:54.34 | rednecktek | nope, hardware checks good. |
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| 20:54.49 | timday | how come nvidia-kernel-source has disappeared from testing ? |
| 20:54.58 | abrotman | becaus |
| 20:55.01 | tarzeau | rednecktek: do you have special hardware or drivers that are not free software? |
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| 20:55.38 | rednecktek | tarzeau: nvidia-glx, but it's never caused a problem before (same version 6.111) |
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| 20:55.47 | arkaine\a | The sarge release, is the testing version of debian right? So using http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso would install testing, not stable, correct? Is there a netinst image for stable? |
| 20:55.49 | tarzeau | rednecktek: maybe suddenly it does now? |
| 20:55.57 | tarzeau | arkaine\a: currently, yes |
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| 20:56.10 | abrotman | arkaine\a: yes |
| 20:56.14 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 20:56.14 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
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| 20:56.29 | TummyAcid | also the cd validation immeaditly reports an error with the cd, it doesnt even spin up the drive |
| 20:56.41 | rednecktek | tarzeau: I don't think so. Either way, I was trying to find out how I can track it down. If the kernel was dumping, where should I look? |
| 20:56.47 | abrotman | !nap |
| 20:56.47 | dpkg | i guess nap is a command line napster client, at http://www.gis.net/~nite , also check out http://opennap.sourceforge.net/, or is now open source finally, or you may want to try TekNap instead |
| 20:56.52 | abrotman | damn it .. i really want a nap |
| 20:57.00 | Etranger | Hello here, anyone familliar with using mirrordir to get files from a ftp? I've got it working nicely from one ftpserver (many in fact) but from one, on a Windows XP box, i've got strange result: In verbose mode i can see it connect, but after that it will assume there is 0kB on the ftp server and exit. Any idea why? |
| 20:57.40 | arkaine\a | abrotman: ah, sweet. but using "LordSutch.com ISOLINUX mini-ISO image" or "Eduard Bloch's netinst images" will still install the same system, or? |
| 20:57.52 | abrotman | arkaine\a: i've always used the floppies |
| 20:58.08 | tarzeau | Etranger: i use lftp mirror dir to get what you do |
| 20:58.16 | abrotman | Etranger: who's fault do you think that is? |
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| 20:59.25 | Etranger | abrotman: it seems like the ftp server does not respond like the linux ones, i'm looking for a way to tell mirrordir to do the 'ls' an other way or something like that |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | Etranger: tarzeau told oyu |
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| 21:00.02 | Etranger | tarzeau: lftp? i'll try this one... |
| 21:00.35 | tarzeau | also try waiho.app |
| 21:00.35 | Etranger | tks |
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| 21:00.47 | debiannb | hello, yesterday, i format my debian and i reinstalled it. Today i compiled kernel from source, selecting the same modules, and when i run the new kernel it says: Alsa: No soundcards found, and i haven't got sound! :-( |
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| 21:00.54 | HankH | hello everyone |
| 21:00.54 | debiannb | Anyone can help me? |
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| 21:01.08 | abrotman | #alsa |
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| 21:01.12 | tarzeau | dpkg tell debiannb about ask |
| 21:01.16 | tarzeau | dpkg hello HankH |
| 21:01.16 | dpkg | tarzeau: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:01.19 | HankH | debian woody install is only seeing my 200GB drive as 137GB but my bios sees it as 200MB |
| 21:01.33 | abrotman | HankH: yes .. you need a newer kernel |
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| 21:01.56 | tarzeau | HankH: did you use bf24? |
| 21:02.04 | HankH | yeah I used bf24 |
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| 21:02.07 | debiannb | Anyone can help me with a c-media chipset soundcard? |
| 21:02.19 | paulswm | !anyone |
| 21:02.19 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 21:02.35 | tarzeau | dpkg hi HankH |
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| 21:02.35 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai HankH! |
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| 21:02.45 | swatikiss | clear |
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| 21:02.55 | HankH | but once I get a new kernel, then my partition is too small, and if repartition the drive I lose my new kernel |
| 21:03.15 | tarzeau | HankH: tried sarge? |
| 21:03.26 | HankH | what kernel does that come with? |
| 21:03.35 | tarzeau | HankH: 2.4/2.6 |
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| 21:03.52 | tarzeau | HankH: and also 5.2 and 0.3 |
| 21:03.55 | paulswm | HankH: unless you are running a secure production server, upgrade to sarge |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | HankH: are you putting this on a workstation?> |
| 21:04.08 | HankH | mythtv box |
| 21:04.13 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 21:04.13 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | please use that |
| 21:04.47 | websdale | debiannb: I have a cmi 8738 - which is your chipset? |
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| 21:05.37 | JeaLouS | hello guys |
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| 21:06.09 | JeaLouS | guys i have downloaded the 7cds |
| 21:06.13 | mh_le | how do I modify the nvagp settings? |
| 21:06.18 | JeaLouS | or debian rc4 |
| 21:06.23 | bohan | is it possible to setup the shell prompt (PS1 env var) so that it tells wether the last command issued succeded or failed? |
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| 21:06.33 | yeti | how can i boot linux from the windows bootloader? i found a howto, it told me to make a copy from the linux partition's bootsector, save it to a file (bootsect.lnx), copy that file to my win partition and tell my boot.ini in windows to load that file - but windows seems to thinkthat bootsect.lnx is a windows directory and tells me "hal32.dll not found" if i try to boot linux from the win bootloader |
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| 21:06.39 | yeti | do i need any special options? |
| 21:06.47 | JeaLouS | can i make all of them in one dvd ? |
| 21:06.55 | tarzeau | bohan: i'd guess so, $? *hint* |
| 21:06.57 | bohan | JeaLouS, debian rc4? |
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| 21:07.09 | tarzeau | bohan: i guess you have bash ? |
| 21:07.14 | JeaLouS | debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 21:07.17 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: lol |
| 21:07.18 | bohan | yes, bash |
| 21:07.25 | debiannb | websdale: i don't know exactly, but it works with c-media module from advanced sound system (from kernel) |
| 21:07.26 | swatikiss | im trying to get my printer to work again - cups seems to be set up properly but my printer keeps spewing pages out one after the other |
| 21:07.29 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: "i downloaded the 7cds" |
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| 21:07.41 | tarzeau | it'd crack me up if you said you downloaded the alpha ones, having an i386 |
| 21:07.46 | abrotman | yeti: #windows |
| 21:08.06 | swatikiss | i get something like "parport0: FIFO is stuck" "DMA write timed out" alot in dmesg... |
| 21:08.06 | JeaLouS | + tarzeau : i wanna put them all into a dvd |
| 21:08.13 | JeaLouS | brb |
| 21:08.15 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: i'm not blind. i read that |
| 21:08.18 | debiannb | websdale: but... now when i run the new kernel... ALSA: no soundcards found :'( |
| 21:08.48 | mh_le | can anyone tell me why my laptops monitor shuts off and computer goes down when I try to use the nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:09.05 | yeti | abrotman: okay... it was woth a try asking here though, 'cause people in here tend to be more competent |
| 21:09.06 | tarzeau | mh_le: x86 or powerpc? |
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| 21:09.24 | mh_le | tarzeau, x86 |
| 21:09.24 | calin | how can i force passwd to take a simple, preused password? |
| 21:09.35 | abrotman | yeti: that may be so .. but that's the windows bootloader .. maybe just use grub? |
| 21:09.36 | bohan | tarzeau, thanks, it works with PS1=" ... \$? ... " |
| 21:09.45 | tarzeau | bohan: you're welcome |
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| 21:10.04 | paulswm | calin: set it as root |
| 21:10.12 | calin | thanks paulswm |
| 21:10.23 | paulswm | calin: if you set a user's password as root it doesn't complain |
| 21:10.31 | calin | alright |
| 21:10.51 | yeti | abrotman: i tried, but the infamous microsoft OS doesn't want to be booted by grub under certain circumstances ;) |
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| 21:11.00 | abrotman | yeti: such as? |
| 21:11.11 | Cinder | So, what audio format does everyone use? |
| 21:11.16 | abrotman | wav |
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| 21:11.30 | websdale | debiannb: have you tried running alsaconf to see if it detects your card ok - (if its kernel 2.6.10 others have had problems) |
| 21:11.36 | yeti | abrotman: such as, the win partition is inside an extended partition container. that messes up win's internal device mapping when booted by grub |
| 21:11.46 | abrotman | yeti: lovely |
| 21:11.54 | abrotman | maybe lilo would handle it better |
| 21:11.58 | tarzeau | Cinder: 669, amf, ams, dbm, dmf, dsm, far, it, j2b, mdl, med, mod, mt2, mtm, okt, psm, ptm, s3m, stm, ult, umx, xm |
| 21:12.00 | ChristianP | i'm searching for istant message clients to talk with msn messenger |
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| 21:12.06 | Cinder | bla confusin lol |
| 21:12.11 | abrotman | i prefer .au ... |
| 21:12.13 | sussudio | !irritate Cinder |
| 21:12.14 | dpkg | Cinder: wenas who uses kde plz msg me, Sandman |
| 21:12.17 | JeaLouS | + tarzeau : any idea ? |
| 21:12.21 | Cinder | i want to convert my library from .mp3 to something |
| 21:12.25 | racoontje | is there a way to reinstall all packages on my box? |
| 21:12.29 | RainbowW | Cinder: why? |
| 21:12.29 | tarzeau | Cinder: ogg |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | Cinder: why? |
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| 21:12.38 | paulswm | yeti: you can always have the windows boot loader chain to grub if you install grub on the linux partition (not on the mbr) |
| 21:12.38 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): now, when i start my computer, it just goes into the kde login screen, and nothing happens. |
| 21:12.46 | tarzeau | racoontje: why? |
| 21:12.50 | abrotman | Bizarro_paco: what should happen? |
| 21:12.53 | RainbowW | Cinder: converting from mp3 to anything will involve a quality loss. |
| 21:12.53 | Cinder | woah to many why's |
| 21:12.58 | tarzeau | racoontje: there's the --reinstall parameter |
| 21:13.05 | Cinder | = / |
| 21:13.06 | yeti | paulswm: that's exactly what i want to do, but i don't know how to do it :) |
| 21:13.07 | mh_le | tarzeau, can you help me? |
| 21:13.11 | Bizarro_paco | (abrotman): well, ijust want it to go to a general bash prompt |
| 21:13.13 | websdale | ChristianP: gaim? |
| 21:13.19 | tarzeau | mh_le: i can't read mind |
| 21:13.20 | abrotman | !tell Bizarro_paco about nodm |
| 21:13.29 | ChristianP | websdale, i want use a webcam |
| 21:13.31 | paulswm | yeti: google or check the Linux howtos, I know I've seen it somewhere |
| 21:13.34 | mh_le | tarzeau, I said I was on x86 before :) |
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| 21:14.01 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 21:14.04 | yeti | paulswm: i'm using those howtos, but they don't work, they all tell me to use lilo though, maybe i'll install lilo |
| 21:14.13 | ribnitz | dpkg, tell me about nerim |
| 21:14.17 | ChristianP | there's nothing to talk with msn messenger with webcam, isn't it? |
| 21:14.28 | tarzeau | mh_le: i don't think i can |
| 21:15.00 | abrotman | ChristianP: gaim maybe? |
| 21:15.01 | abrotman | dunno |
| 21:15.21 | blijblijblij | gnomemeeting |
| 21:15.25 | Cinder | I have gaim, it doesn;t support webcam |
| 21:15.29 | tarzeau | blijblijblij: a/s/l? |
| 21:15.33 | ribnitz | Where was the video & other stuff mirror? |
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| 21:15.37 | racoontje | tarzeau: yeah but still |
| 21:15.45 | racoontje | tarzeau: how can I feed it all packages? |
| 21:15.52 | h2k | how can i downgrade from libvorbis0a to libvorbis0 ? |
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| 21:16.02 | tarzeau | h2k: manually |
| 21:16.10 | debiannb | websdale: how i run alsaconf? and, yes i'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.10 |
| 21:16.13 | ChristianP | blijblijblij, but how can i talk with msn? |
| 21:16.20 | h2k | tarzeau, how? |
| 21:16.23 | calin | ChristianP: use windows |
| 21:16.32 | mh_le | tarzeau, thanks anyway |
| 21:16.42 | ChristianP | calin, :ppppp |
| 21:16.44 | Cinder | :O |
| 21:16.44 | tarzeau | racoontje: maybe apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg -l |grep ^ii |awk '{print $2}'` |
| 21:16.47 | Cinder | Christianp! |
| 21:16.49 | Cinder | hey man |
| 21:16.56 | ribnitz | looking for that site that had those debian-non-free-stuff.. |
| 21:17.01 | abrotman | !kill abrotman's landlord's fucking god damn dogs |
| 21:17.02 | tarzeau | h2k: manually |
| 21:17.08 | Cinder | You wouldn't by chance be the christianp who did some web hosting |
| 21:17.14 | ribnitz | dpkg, tell me about marillat |
| 21:17.15 | h2k | tarzeau, dpkg -i libvorbis0 won't do it |
| 21:17.25 | tarzeau | h2k: why not? |
| 21:17.33 | caphuso | h2k: libvorbis0 doesn't look like the correct filename to me |
| 21:17.34 | JeaLouS | any one can help me to setup all cds into one dvd |
| 21:17.34 | tarzeau | h2k: yes dpkg wants a full some.deb name |
| 21:17.36 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 21:17.40 | blijblijblij | read an article about h.3something.. I believe netmeeting in that other universe and gnomemeeting should be able to interact |
| 21:17.45 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: no |
| 21:17.52 | ChristianP | Cinder, no |
| 21:17.58 | Iconsumed | ok, debian is not working... |
| 21:17.59 | tarzeau | blijblijblij: that's not a question |
| 21:18.02 | paulswm | abrotman: drink up, and throw the bottle at the dogs |
| 21:18.05 | tarzeau | Iconsumed: #gentoo |
| 21:18.09 | ribnitz | blijblijblij: h3something (323) is voip usually |
| 21:18.11 | websdale | debiannb: apt-get install alsaconf (if you haven't got it already) , man alsaconf |
| 21:18.17 | Iconsumed | tarzeau I guess so... |
| 21:18.24 | Cinder | :9 |
| 21:18.24 | blijblijblij | that's the one |
| 21:18.25 | Cinder | ol |
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| 21:18.32 | abrotman | paulswm: she leaves for the day .. and they are little fucking yip dogs.. that don't fucking shut up |
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| 21:18.45 | ribnitz | blijblijblij: thats voice over ip, and has nothing to do with images. |
| 21:18.47 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 21:18.47 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 21:18.59 | gravity | Iconsumed: What's your problem? |
| 21:19.07 | gravity | So much for that |
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| 21:19.09 | ribnitz | abrotman: treat them nicely and they will. |
| 21:19.11 | linux_newbie | anyone use ndiswrapper before? |
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| 21:19.17 | blijblijblij | sure about that?! |
| 21:19.18 | gravity | !anyone |
| 21:19.18 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 21:19.52 | linux_newbie | ok ok |
| 21:19.53 | websdale | ChristianP: there's a project called "amsn" which may help on Sourceforge |
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| 21:20.10 | linux_newbie | is there somebody in here that has experience with ndiswrapper? |
| 21:20.10 | JeaLouS | + tarzeau : how to put all packages in one cd |
| 21:20.10 | ribnitz | howmuch is the the data loss of a raid5? |
| 21:20.17 | ribnitz | a third? |
| 21:20.19 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: that's not possible |
| 21:20.22 | ChristianP | websdale, doesn'tsupport webcam |
| 21:20.28 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: a cd can not have more than 700mb data |
| 21:20.49 | websdale | ChristianP: oh :( |
| 21:21.00 | ribnitz | JeaLouS: hence, you use more than one (currently 14) |
| 21:21.00 | caphuso | ribnitz: it's redundant, so you shouldn't suffer from any data loss |
| 21:21.03 | debiannb | websdale: if it appears at end of program: modinfo: could not find module snd-opl3sa2, (and more), what is it? |
| 21:21.08 | paulswm | tarzeau: I think he wants to put everything on one dvd, God knows why |
| 21:21.10 | tarzeau | ribnitz: if you have 3 harddisks (but i'm not sure) |
| 21:21.14 | caphuso | ribnitz: except in case of really nasty accidents, of course |
| 21:21.18 | abrotman | ribnitz: they are locked up downstairs |
| 21:21.24 | gravity | linux_newbie: Just ask your question. If someone can help you with it they will |
| 21:21.35 | ribnitz | caphuso: no, i meant how much capacity wil li lose for metadata? |
| 21:22.00 | linux_newbie | ok, i'm going through the howto on the ndis site for debiansarge |
| 21:22.23 | linux_newbie | instead of editing apt-sources, i just downloaded the file and did dpkg -i |
| 21:22.32 | ribnitz | If I combine the 160, plus 2x250 to a 660gb array, that wont havr 660 ggb of usable capacity (am I wrong?) |
| 21:22.43 | caphuso | ribnitz: (N-1)*(size of the smallest disk) |
| 21:22.55 | JeaLouS | + ribnitz : i hate to take off cd and put another |
| 21:23.08 | linux_newbie | but then in step four it say s to download the ndiswrapper to a suitable directory, 5 is unpack it and 6 is running a make install |
| 21:23.14 | ribnitz | JeaLouS: then use netinst |
| 21:23.25 | ChristianP | ok, thanks anyway. good night |
| 21:23.29 | JeaLouS | + ribnitz : i don't have internet at my place |
| 21:23.42 | websdale | debiannb: which program do you get the error in? |
| 21:23.43 | paulswm | linux_newbie: isn't ndiswrapper a debina package |
| 21:23.45 | ribnitz | caphuso: which would be half the size of the array. |
| 21:23.47 | linux_newbie | but if i already did the dpkg -i it should already be downloaded and installed |
| 21:23.49 | paulswm | debian |
| 21:24.03 | gravity | linux_newbie: If you've got the files installed already just skip that step then |
| 21:24.04 | debiannb | websdale: when i installed debian, i selected C-Media module from the module list (installation), and kernel 2.4.18 now it has sound, but... i don't know why kernel 2610 dosen't work.. :( |
| 21:24.10 | caphuso | ribnitz: no, you need at least three disks, so it's at most a third |
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| 21:24.27 | debiannb | websdale: whith alsaconf (at end of program) |
| 21:24.27 | JeaLouS | can i use network ? |
| 21:24.44 | ribnitz | caphuso: 2x160 gb = 320 gb (of the 660)? |
| 21:24.45 | linux_newbie | i went to ndiswrapper.sourcefore.net/phpwiki/indes.php and went from there |
| 21:24.46 | paulswm | JeaLouS: are you installing sarge |
| 21:25.06 | JeaLouS | + paulswm : nope i'm installing woody |
| 21:25.12 | caphuso | ribnitz: 320 of 480 |
| 21:25.13 | linux_newbie | apt-cache search ndiswrapper does have 2 packages... |
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| 21:25.31 | linux_newbie | one is -utils and the other -source |
| 21:25.40 | gravity | linux_newbie: What's your *question*? |
| 21:25.46 | ribnitz | caphuso: 2x250+1x160 = 660.. |
| 21:25.59 | caphuso | ribnitz: no, 3x160=480 |
| 21:26.21 | ribnitz | caphuso: oh, they need to be same-sized as well? |
| 21:26.28 | linux_newbie | where do i go to do make install...or do i have to download something else first |
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| 21:26.47 | websdale | debiannb: it might be better to upgrade from 2.4.18 to 2.6.8 instead so you have less problem - I cannot get 2.6.10 to work with my graphics card either! |
| 21:26.55 | gravity | linux_newbie: It should tell you in the howto where to go. There needs to be a file called "Makefile" in that directory |
| 21:27.11 | caphuso | ribnitz: no, but you won't be able to use more space than the smallest disk has on the larger ones |
| 21:27.12 | debiannb | websdale: and, 2.6.9 will work? |
| 21:27.16 | ribnitz | debiannb: the 2.6.9 something works. |
| 21:27.21 | gravity | linux_newbie: My guess is that it's somewhere in /usr/src (/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper maybe) |
| 21:27.37 | ribnitz | caphuso: thats a real drawback. |
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| 21:27.40 | caphuso | ribnitz: is that hardware or software raid we're talking about? |
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| 21:27.46 | debiannb | ok i'll try 2.6.9, or 2.6.8, just i want sound jej |
| 21:27.48 | ribnitz | caphuso: software. |
| 21:27.48 | websdale | debiannb:I'm using 2.6.8 - and I know it works fine |
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| 21:28.01 | linux_newbie | ok, /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/driver |
| 21:28.03 | linux_newbie | id id that |
| 21:28.08 | debiannb | websdale: ok, thanks for your help! |
| 21:28.23 | debiannb | websdale: i'm going to try it |
| 21:28.28 | gravity | linux_newbie: You did what? |
| 21:28.32 | Echizen | i want to run apache 2, php 5, and mysql 4.1. what version of debian would i need to run? testing? unstable? |
| 21:28.34 | websdale | debiannb: good luck:) |
| 21:28.34 | ribnitz | caphuso: cannot afford hw. |
| 21:28.49 | caphuso | ribnitz: then you could create two partitions on the larger disks, with 160 and 90GiB, create an RAID-5 with the 3 160GiB sized entities and use the two unused partitions for something else |
| 21:28.50 | ribnitz | Echizen: forgetit. |
| 21:28.58 | linux_newbie | i got the make install done...which directory do i copy the windows drivers to? |
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| 21:29.02 | Echizen | why? |
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| 21:29.10 | ribnitz | caphuso: like booting from? |
| 21:29.20 | gravity | linux_newbie: It doesn't matter. You just need to be able to run ndiswrapper -i on the driver. |
| 21:29.31 | ribnitz | Echizen: php5 has not made it into debian, I doubt mysql 4.1 has |
| 21:29.35 | caphuso | ribnitz: or a smaller raid-1 array (from which you can boot from) |
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| 21:30.11 | ribnitz | caphuso: atm I am at 1x250+1x160, and no raid. |
| 21:30.11 | linux_newbie | ok |
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| 21:30.32 | caphuso | !info mysql-server-4.1 |
| 21:30.39 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.8a-6 (sid), Packaged size: 14140 kB, Installed size: 30216 kB |
| 21:30.54 | linux_newbie | command not found |
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| 21:30.58 | JeaLouS | + dpkg : r4 |
| 21:31.03 | JeaLouS | dpkg r4 |
| 21:31.03 | dpkg | Rule #4: "If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later." Type /msg apt guidelines to see the rest... |
| 21:31.06 | doublehp | is there a better GUI fronthead that Kpackage for APT ? |
| 21:31.16 | akbg | doublehp: synaptic |
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| 21:31.29 | tarzeau | dpkg for x |
| 21:31.29 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 21:31.33 | tarzeau | apt-get |
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| 21:31.37 | simonrvn | aptitude, dselect |
| 21:31.39 | linuxclub | hy |
| 21:31.46 | linuxclub | anyone italian ? |
| 21:31.50 | tarzeau | dpkg italian |
| 21:31.51 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:31.53 | ribnitz | !italian |
| 21:32.08 | akbg | chi cazzo è italiano? :P |
| 21:32.10 | elviin | Can anyone please advise me something about packages? |
| 21:32.19 | ribnitz | nope |
| 21:32.21 | tarzeau | elviin: we can't read mind |
| 21:32.22 | akbg | linuxclub: im italian |
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| 21:32.27 | akbg | in query |
| 21:32.35 | abrotman | no .. here |
| 21:32.37 | HiSPeed | akbg, and here you are what? |
| 21:32.42 | abrotman | oh never mind |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | !it |
| 21:32.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:33.10 | jesusfish | are there any known issues with X in Debian atm? |
| 21:33.10 | akbg | HiSPeed: I understand the english |
| 21:33.10 | ribnitz | jesusfish: bts? |
| 21:33.10 | HiSPeed | spaniard even ;) |
| 21:33.10 | elviin | tarzeau I'd like to know options a debian package was compiled with. I'm not ablet to determine that. Is it possible? |
| 21:33.18 | ribnitz | jesusfish: but nothing unmanagable |
| 21:33.18 | akbg | Im not an italian troll, dont worry :P |
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| 21:33.22 | equnix | what do i need to get input from a usb mouse in linux 2.6? i have hotplug, and done cd /dev; MAKEDEV input && MAKEDEV usb; |
| 21:33.23 | tarzeau | elviin: apt-get source package, see debian/rules |
| 21:33.23 | HiSPeed | heeh |
| 21:33.24 | dondelelcaro | elviin: you'll find it in the debian/rules |
| 21:33.27 | linuxclub | ciao akbg |
| 21:33.37 | linuxclub | sono al linuxclub di roma |
| 21:33.40 | elviin | thanks going to try |
| 21:33.43 | akbg | not here |
| 21:33.44 | akbg | in query |
| 21:33.45 | akbg | :P |
| 21:33.52 | doublehp | will apt ever support for multithreading dowload over several mirrors ? |
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| 21:33.57 | tarzeau | apt faqsmash equnix |
| 21:34.00 | jesusfish | ribnitz: cuz if I try and go to a termianl window (Ctrl+Alt+F#), my X is still displayed |
| 21:34.06 | ribnitz | doublehp: it does |
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| 21:34.23 | akusarujin | sid still has xfce 4.0 :( |
| 21:34.27 | dvs | jesusfish: Did you try the left Ctrl-alt...? |
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| 21:34.28 | linux_newbie | why would the command not be found if the make install did not have any errors |
| 21:34.29 | jesusfish | ribnitz: and then, if I start typing, the graphics on the screen start moving |
| 21:34.30 | abrotman | boohoo |
| 21:34.37 | ribnitz | jesusfish: F1...F6 are ttys, F7 is X, by default |
| 21:34.37 | akusarujin | exactly abrotman :) |
| 21:34.39 | TheTom | what package provides head? |
| 21:34.42 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: if your mirror isn't faster than your connection is, you've chosen a bad mirror |
| 21:34.46 | doublehp | ribnitz: how do I get it work ? just put 10 mirrors in sources.list ? and hope they all store the same packages ? |
| 21:34.46 | tarzeau | dpkg faqsmite equnix |
| 21:34.47 | dpkg | equnix: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:34.47 | jesusfish | dvs: that's what I always use |
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| 21:34.58 | caphuso | TheTom: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:35.04 | jesusfish | ribnitz: that's where I'm trying to go |
| 21:35.11 | TheTom | caphuso: i've searched for head. |
| 21:35.14 | ribnitz | jesusfish: CTRL-ALT-.. |
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| 21:35.22 | jesusfish | ribnitz: I know |
| 21:35.23 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: in france, the ordinary connection is now 15mb/s thats more than 1.5MB |
| 21:35.23 | akusarujin | TheTom, use apt-file search head |
| 21:35.24 | caphuso | TheTom: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:35.40 | akusarujin | TheTom, not installed by default, installed in a package called apt-file |
| 21:35.42 | jesusfish | ribnitz: the keyboard input goes there, but the screen stays on X |
| 21:35.45 | akusarujin | from* |
| 21:35.46 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: yes, and you haven't chosen a good one if you can surpass that. |
| 21:35.46 | dendrite | TheTom: coreutils |
| 21:36.01 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: I regularly pull at ~3-4M/s here |
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| 21:36.19 | dondelelcaro | s/can/can't/ |
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| 21:36.28 | TheTom | akusarujin: aha, thanx. dendrite : cool. thanx |
| 21:36.52 | jesusfish | ribnitz: and then if I hit Enter or something, my window manager starts scrolling left |
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| 21:36.55 | akusarujin | TheTom, i only said that because i wasn't sure myself, and figured you might like to know about the utility to search for things that install from a package :) |
| 21:36.56 | doublehp | ribnitz: move to france : 15mb/s for 30 euros /month |
| 21:37.08 | jesusfish | ribnitz: it's seriously messed |
| 21:37.12 | TheTom | akusarujin: indeed . that's nice |
| 21:37.19 | ribnitz | jesusfish: reinstall? |
| 21:37.20 | akusarujin | TheTom, :) |
| 21:37.23 | keith_ | Can someone please help me with cups. I've got it to print a test page but any applications such as mozilla, abiword etc cannot print form it. Debian3r4. |
| 21:37.32 | jesusfish | ribnitz: but I didn't change anything |
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| 21:37.42 | ribnitz | doublehp: worth considering |
| 21:37.53 | HankH | OH I KNOW KEITH |
| 21:38.00 | HankH | I had that same problem |
| 21:38.06 | ribnitz | !caps |
| 21:38.07 | dpkg | it has been said that caps is don't type all caps words at all. use _* to _emphasize_ them. |
| 21:38.09 | ricochet | keith_, I use kprinter to get it to all work |
| 21:38.24 | doublehp | ribnitz: it includes illimited national phone and more than 50tv chans .... all for 30€ |
| 21:38.53 | ribnitz | doublehp: its state-sponsored, I guess? |
| 21:38.56 | gravity | magicfilter used to be the shiznit |
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| 21:39.19 | HankH | hey keith did you install cupsys-bsd? |
| 21:39.22 | ribnitz | gravity: cups works fine as long as you dont want anything esoteric. |
| 21:39.30 | doublehp | ribnitz: no ... 3 private companies offer the same bunch ... |
| 21:39.38 | tarzeau | keith_: got a .lpoption in your $HOME ? |
| 21:39.41 | abrotman | hey .. the evolution data server is in exp |
| 21:39.43 | doublehp | ribnitz: the national company is about 50% more expensive :) |
| 21:39.45 | gravity | ribnitz: Sometimes yes, but not always |
| 21:39.49 | ribnitz | doublehp: "state-sponsored".. |
| 21:39.57 | doublehp | ribnitz: I said NO |
| 21:40.29 | ribnitz | doublehp: can believe its free market.. is it ADSL or cable? |
| 21:40.35 | DaCa | doublehp: thats pretty good, you do mean 15 megabyte and not megabit right? |
| 21:40.54 | ribnitz | DaCa: thats usually ..bits. |
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| 21:41.24 | doublehp | ribnitz: all ADSL .... cable is about 18 months late about all that |
| 21:41.48 | doublehp | DaCa: I ve always said : 15Mb ( small b = bits ) |
| 21:42.20 | DaCa | doublehp: ok, my fault |
| 21:42.28 | rafx | in all my config dialogs (like base-config), the borders on the window are foreign chars that look like A". and the dialogs frequently freeze, requiring kill -STOP and -CONT. how do i fix this? |
| 21:42.56 | tarzeau | rafx: font? |
| 21:43.16 | rafx | the console uses different fonts? |
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| 21:44.56 | arkaine\a | When using the netinst images from http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ .. I presume i need all 4 cd's? (bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso, compact-3.0.23-netinst.iso, idepci-3.0.23-netinst.iso and vanilla-3.0.23-netinst.iso) ? |
| 21:45.10 | ribnitz | rafx: locale settings |
| 21:45.12 | keith_ | Hello tarzeau. No, I haven't got that. How do I get that? |
| 21:45.30 | ribnitz | arkaine\a: nope |
| 21:45.37 | tarzeau | keith_: it caused problems. mac os x makes it |
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| 21:45.56 | rafx | ribnitz: yea, i'm stuck at the moment in one of the locale config screens |
| 21:46.21 | arkaine\a | ribnitz: how about the debian base system, the first cd (10mb) doesn't contain that .. where can i get it, and put it on the disk and choose to install it from a manual path.. that should work, shouldn't it? kinda confused :) |
| 21:46.22 | rafx | completely blue and blank, lol. |
| 21:46.30 | linux_newbie | ok, i do make install and yet the command is not found |
| 21:47.01 | dondelelcaro | linux_newbie: apt-get install build-essential; |
| 21:47.12 | jesusfish | how come nvidia-glx depends on a 2.4 kernel module? |
| 21:47.19 | dondelelcaro | linux_newbie: you'll also need the library dependencies or whatever else what you're compiling requires. |
| 21:47.34 | simonrvn | hello |
| 21:47.38 | valdyn | jesusfish: it does not |
| 21:47.52 | linux_newbie | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you |
| 21:47.52 | ribnitz | arkaine\a: get a sarge netinst cd (debian.org/devel/debian-installer) and just use that. |
| 21:48.18 | jesusfish | valdyn: well, I have nvidia-kernel-2.6.10-1-686, and cannot install nvidia-glx without nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 21:48.28 | valdyn | jesusfish: it depends on one nvidia-kernel-xxx module |
| 21:48.38 | dondelelcaro | jesusfish: it depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629. Your nvidia kernel-2.6.10-1-686 doesn't provide nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629 |
| 21:48.42 | valdyn | jesusfish: so compile one yourself if that one doesn't fit |
| 21:48.45 | arkaine\a | ribnitz: ok, thanks |
| 21:48.52 | dendrite | linux_newbie: What command is not found? The command you built, or the tools to build the command you want? |
| 21:49.05 | linux_newbie | dondelelcaro: build-essengial installed, make install reports no errors, command still not found |
| 21:49.18 | jesusfish | dondelelcaro: isn't it pointless provding the debian package if it doesn't work? |
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| 21:49.20 | dondelelcaro | linux_newbie: command not found for make? |
| 21:49.27 | linux_newbie | the command i am installing (ndiswrapper) |
| 21:49.33 | ribnitz | jesusfish: it does work. |
| 21:49.34 | linux_newbie | command not found for ndiswrapper |
| 21:49.40 | valdyn | jesusfish: if you would read the documentation then it might work even for you |
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| 21:49.57 | tyia | is there an easy way to pipe standard error only in bash? |
| 21:50.01 | dondelelcaro | jesusfish: eh? nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629 is a virtual package provided by all nvidia-kernel modules that are built properly. |
| 21:50.06 | ribnitz | jesusfish: I have a working nvidia kernel with 2.6.9.. |
| 21:50.09 | dondelelcaro | tyia: 2>foofile |
| 21:50.11 | paulswm | tyia: 2> |
| 21:50.19 | dondelelcaro | tyia: man bash; read about redirecting |
| 21:50.25 | abrotman | i really hate those dogs |
| 21:50.25 | jesusfish | ribnitz: ribnitz dedian provides a module for 2.6.10-686 |
| 21:50.27 | tyia | doh, I said 'pipe\ |
| 21:50.34 | linux_newbie | any suggestions |
| 21:50.47 | tyia | 2| doesn |
| 21:50.51 | jesusfish | dondelelcaro: I got my kernel module using apt |
| 21:50.55 | ribnitz | jesusfish: no idea, havent seen kernel-image-2.6.10 yet. |
| 21:50.55 | tyia | t make sense, does it |
| 21:51.06 | paulswm | abrotman: noise cancelling headphones |
| 21:51.15 | tyia | redirecting and piping are different things |
| 21:51.23 | abrotman | paulswm: yip dogs .. nothing helps |
| 21:51.24 | dendrite | tyia: something like foo > /dev/null | pipecmd 2>1 -- or something, but I'm not really too sure. |
| 21:51.28 | linux_newbie | got it |
| 21:51.31 | linux_newbie | there were two makefiles |
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| 21:51.35 | ribnitz | tyia: foo >bar, foo |bar |
| 21:51.37 | linux_newbie | in two different directories |
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| 21:51.57 | tyia | ribnitz: ? |
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| 21:52.20 | tyia | ribnitz: what was that supposed to mean? |
| 21:52.30 | ribnitz | tyia: meaningless |
| 21:52.44 | tyia | !beat ribnitz |
| 21:52.53 | Gnea | hrm |
| 21:53.06 | tyia | !beat ribnitz again |
| 21:53.21 | Gnea | hey got a silly hardware question: is a cdrom drive technically a magnetic optical device? or does it use magnetics at all? |
| 21:53.34 | valdyn | Gnea: nope |
| 21:53.42 | tyia | second round: is there an easy way to pipe standard error only in bash? |
| 21:53.45 | ribnitz | Yup, with the new debian installer even my keyboard works. |
| 21:53.45 | Gnea | hm ok |
| 21:54.08 | dendrite | tyia: something like foo > /dev/null | pipecmd 2>&1 -- Or something like that. |
| 21:54.19 | valdyn | Gnea: look for "bernoullie" (sp?) drives. thats magnetooptical |
| 21:54.22 | simonrvn | Gnea: not MO |
| 21:54.28 | Gnea | valdyn: could you expand that please? 'nope' what? "nope, it doesn't use magnetics at all" or "nope, i have no idea"? |
| 21:54.37 | Gnea | ah ok |
| 21:54.48 | dondelelcaro | tyia: foo 2>&1- actually. |
| 21:54.50 | Gnea | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 21:54.57 | simonrvn | bernouilli |
| 21:55.02 | Bizarro_paco | total newb question here: when u load up debian, do u already have a server? |
| 21:55.05 | Gnea | neat |
| 21:55.07 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 21:55.07 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:55.15 | ribnitz | Gnea: nope, cd/dvds are optical, MODs are something else. |
| 21:55.20 | tyia | dondelelcaro: does &1- close stdout? |
| 21:55.24 | gravity | Bizarro_paco: Only if you want one |
| 21:55.25 | simonrvn | also older jazz (or was it other ones..) were MO drives |
| 21:55.26 | Gnea | Bizarro_paco: lol, debian is just an OS, it depends how you set it up |
| 21:55.37 | dondelelcaro | tyia: a thourough reading of the REDIRECTION part of man bash will answer that question |
| 21:55.49 | gravity | Bizarro_paco: You really have a lot to read |
| 21:56.06 | Gnea | ribnitz: ok cool |
| 21:56.07 | Bizarro_paco | gravity..i know...i dont know hwere to begin to read |
| 21:56.11 | ribnitz | Problem with MO is thats its relatively slow, compared to CD/DVD writing. |
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| 21:56.20 | Gnea | Bizarro_paco: just hit up google |
| 21:56.34 | ribnitz | And that is also not available in decent sizes. |
| 21:56.38 | dondelelcaro | (or maybe it's 1>&2-... I can't remember.) |
| 21:56.39 | Bizarro_paco | (Gnea): okay |
| 21:56.45 | Gnea | ribnitz: i'm not really concerned with performance right now, this has more to do with economics |
| 21:56.58 | gravity | Bizarro_paco: Here's a good start: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html |
| 21:57.00 | ribnitz | Gnea: for backups? |
| 21:57.02 | Gnea | proper classification and whatnot |
| 21:57.08 | Gnea | ribnitz: possibly |
| 21:57.18 | ribnitz | Gnea: whats the prime use? |
| 21:57.24 | Gnea | doesn't matter |
| 21:57.33 | Gnea | it's a CDRW drive |
| 21:57.42 | Gnea | could be anything really |
| 21:57.45 | Bizarro_paco | thnax..your help is indispensible |
| 21:57.46 | dondelelcaro | ah, yeah... it's 2>&1- |
| 21:58.02 | ribnitz | too small, and not automated enough for backups. |
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| 21:58.10 | ribnitz | nice tp carry stuff around. |
| 21:58.18 | Esaj | hmmm, what flags do I need to compile something that uses glibc? |
| 21:58.28 | tyia | dondelelcaro: well... this moves stderr to stdout |
| 21:58.45 | valdyn | Esaj: none? |
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| 21:59.05 | Esaj | valdyn: hmmm, it says it can't find glib.h though |
| 21:59.08 | linux_newbie | how do i create and entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:59.18 | valdyn | Esaj: glib.h has nothing to do with glibc |
| 21:59.19 | dondelelcaro | tyia: yes, which is what you asked for. |
| 21:59.22 | linux_newbie | my wireless card is not listed in there |
| 21:59.27 | dondelelcaro | tyia: since pipes only work on stdout |
| 21:59.34 | Gnea | ribnitz: as long as someone can make good use out of it and doesn't have problems with it, that's my main concern :) |
| 21:59.35 | valdyn | !tell Esaj about search |
| 21:59.42 | gravity | linux_newbie: man interfaces |
| 22:00.07 | tyia | dondelelcaro: need to catch the output of a runscript script (that uses both stdout and stdin for communicating with the serial device) |
| 22:00.15 | linux_newbie | thank you gravity |
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| 22:00.28 | Esaj | valdyn: ok, I meant glib |
| 22:00.38 | dondelelcaro | tyia: so then pipe stderr to a file, and read that |
| 22:00.41 | dendrite | tyia: Did you ONLY want stdout to be piped? |
| 22:00.49 | valdyn | !find glib.h |
| 22:00.49 | Esaj | both libglib2.0-dev and libglib1.2-dev are installed |
| 22:00.55 | dendrite | tyia: Or both?? |
| 22:00.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'glib.h' (6 shown; 19 total): (/usr/include/oop-glib.h) in libdevel/liboop-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/mrtg/html/mrtglib.html) in net/mrtg ;; (/usr/include/taglib/taglib.h) in libdevel/libtag1-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-2.0/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib2.0-dev ;; (/usr/include/glib-1.2/glib.h) in libdevel/libglib1.2-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/jpeg/jpeglib.h) in devel/mozilla-dev. |
| 22:01.26 | ribnitz | is it worth going from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10? |
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| 22:01.54 | Gnea | ribnitz: the only issue i've noticed is with the use of usbmgr |
| 22:01.56 | valdyn | Esaj: are you trying to include glib.h directly? |
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| 22:02.08 | dondelelcaro | s/pipe/redirect/ |
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| 22:02.13 | Gnea | ribnitz: but that was under sid, i flipped over to sarge the other day |
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| 22:02.21 | Esaj | valdyn: I'm using #include <glib.h> in the C source code |
| 22:02.24 | ribnitz | Gnea: i am on sid |
| 22:02.38 | Gnea | ribnitz: ugh, i ran sid for YEARS until a few days ago |
| 22:02.46 | ribnitz | Gnea: why? |
| 22:02.51 | ribnitz | it broke? |
| 22:03.00 | Esaj | valdyn: I tried adding -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 to the gcc flags but then it produces even more errors, this time C-related |
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| 22:03.10 | Gnea | ribnitz: i could no longer print from mozilla/firefox anymore - any reference to any sort of print function caused the browser to segfault |
| 22:03.21 | Gnea | basically crippled my business |
| 22:03.30 | valdyn | Esaj: to properly link against glib / gtk you should read its docs |
| 22:03.32 | ribnitz | ok. |
| 22:03.44 | Gnea | but also |
| 22:03.48 | ribnitz | you have a printing-from-mozilla-business? ;) |
| 22:03.49 | FieldySnuts | @gentoosmite Esaj |
| 22:03.51 | Gnea | usbmgr requires usbfs to be mounting |
| 22:03.56 | FieldySnuts | meh |
| 22:03.58 | Gnea | ribnitz: yes :) |
| 22:03.58 | tyia | dondelelcaro: tmpfiles are UGLY, but OK |
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| 22:04.08 | Esaj | valdyn: naturally I've looked already but I can't see anything... I'll look again I guess |
| 22:04.10 | paulswm | !beat Gnea for using sid for a business critical application |
| 22:04.16 | Gnea | hahahaha |
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| 22:04.24 | Esaj | !kill FieldySnuts |
| 22:04.26 | paulswm | Gnea: :P |
| 22:04.26 | Gnea | thanks, i've already learned |
| 22:04.47 | Gnea | that's why i went to sarge, which, BTW, has an EXCELLENT installer this week |
| 22:04.52 | ribnitz | Any other comments as to 2.6.10? |
| 22:05.07 | Gnea | 2.6.10 is the most stable 2.6 kernel thus far |
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| 22:05.17 | Gnea | i'm using it right now in sarge with no problems |
| 22:05.29 | Gnea | everything works, including cd writing onto an atapi device/ide-cd |
| 22:05.42 | FieldySnuts | it did before |
| 22:05.42 | caphuso | it's time for a TestimoniesOfExSidUsers page in the channel FAQ wiki ;-) |
| 22:05.43 | Gnea | i do have to manually set the DMA to on tho |
| 22:05.46 | FieldySnuts | user error? |
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| 22:05.52 | Gnea | naw it was broken in 2.6.8 |
| 22:06.01 | FieldySnuts | funny worked fine here, shrug |
| 22:06.03 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 22:06.05 | Gnea | oh well |
| 22:06.06 | Gnea | :) |
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| 22:07.45 | oogy | are there reliable boot floppy installers for testing? |
| 22:07.46 | Kurosu | Hello, I have a problem with pkg-config and imlib2: "Package '@requirements@', required by 'imlib2', not found" |
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| 22:08.15 | Kurosu | I tried apt-get install --reinstall imlib2 libimlib2 but that didn't help |
| 22:08.23 | valdyn | Esaj: i cant imagine you need to include glib.h. gnome.h does that for you |
| 22:08.39 | Esaj | valdyn: it's okay I've worked it out now |
| 22:08.45 | Kurosu | AFAIK, I haven't installed from source any program that could conflict with them |
| 22:09.06 | Esaj | valdyn: I found it in the docs in the end - you have to use `glib-config --cflags` `glib-config --libs` |
| 22:09.07 | Kurosu | argh |
| 22:09.11 | Kurosu | nevermind |
| 22:09.24 | paulswm | oogy: any reason not to use the net-install cd? |
| 22:09.28 | Esaj | valdyn: I'm not using gnome stuff, just glib for now |
| 22:09.29 | valdyn | Esaj: yea thats what i meant, but i dont even use that directly so uh, its not present |
| 22:09.38 | linuxclub | it's possible that in itlay at linux-club.org we open a new session for the install fests, if you are interested contact rglug@yahoo.it |
| 22:09.40 | gilles | is there a software that read wav file without opening any window, and that could be my default wav song player for firefox ? |
| 22:09.41 | oogy | paulswm: i have a 633 emachine that wont boot cds |
| 22:10.01 | paulswm | oogy: it has a cd drive though, yeah? |
| 22:10.05 | oogy | yea it does |
| 22:10.25 | Esaj | valdyn: all I'm using are the libraries for hashtables and linked lists, do you know of any other libraries that provide something similar? |
| 22:10.42 | valdyn | Esaj: no idea |
| 22:10.44 | linuxclub | the club is in rome near the Basilica of S.Paul in 15th St. Libetta |
| 22:10.47 | paulswm | oogy: I know there are boot managers what one can install on a floppy which then boots the CD, hang on a sec |
| 22:10.49 | caphuso | gilles: play from the sox package |
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| 22:11.16 | oogy | paulswm: because otherwise i am installing stable and am going to upgrade, if thats wise.. i havent used deb in a LONG time, so any help is greatly appreciated |
| 22:11.19 | oogy | :> |
| 22:11.31 | linuxclub | my best faithfuly to the @ and to the crew |
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| 22:11.32 | linux_newbie | why does dhcpdiscover go on and on if my computer is not connected to my network when i boot up? |
| 22:11.47 | paulswm | oogy: you don't want to mess with stqable if you don't have to, hang on a sec |
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| 22:12.01 | oogy | okay |
| 22:12.05 | oogy | excellent |
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| 22:12.12 | valdyn | linux_newbie: b/c it cant smell that you unplugged it intentionally |
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| 22:13.05 | linux_newbie | what setting do i have to change so that if i want to use the computer when it is not plugged in, it will keep booting? |
| 22:13.17 | linuxclub | if interested take contact via e-mail rglug@yahoo.it and ask too the linuxclub |
| 22:13.20 | jesusfish | dondelelcaro: well, I figured out what the prob was |
| 22:13.28 | gravity | linux_newbie: You can just hit ctrl-c when dhcp-discover is running to kill that command and keep booting |
| 22:13.48 | gravity | linux_newbie: Alternately, you can remove whatever interface you have set up to auto boot in /etc/network/interfaces and just bring it up manually as you need |
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| 22:14.01 | linux_newbie | ok, i thought there was maybe some setting in a config file that if no network is detected it will continue |
| 22:14.05 | linuxclub | bye bye |
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| 22:14.13 | valdyn | linux_newbie: one way, apt-get install rcconf and deactivate dhcp discover, means that you have to start it manually when you're connected though |
| 22:14.16 | dondelelcaro | jesusfish: you figured out that you your nvidia-kernel module doesn't have a Provides: nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629, right? |
| 22:14.43 | linux_newbie | nah, i like it to auto detect and start, just wish that if it detects that it's not connected it would just go on |
| 22:14.45 | paulswm | oogy: here is a boot manager which I believe will isntall on a floppy and allow you to boot the net install CD, you'll need to check the user guide, I haven't tried it: http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/3.7/ |
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| 22:15.12 | oogy | paulswm: where is the net install cd? |
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| 22:15.33 | Goldfisch2 | This is great. I now have my PVR hooked up to my 44" HDTV through VGA, and am cruising IRC from the sofa. |
| 22:15.34 | paulswm | oogy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:16.14 | oogy | okay |
| 22:16.15 | linux_newbie | where do i set the name that other computers on teh network see this computer as? |
| 22:16.20 | gravity | linux_newbie: There may be a way to configure dhcp-discover to get what you want, but you'll have to read the docs on how to do that |
| 22:16.26 | hob | <- noobie. Hi. XKB is giving me errors about missing keymaps...can someone point me in any direction? |
| 22:16.28 | gravity | linux_newbie: /etc/hostname |
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| 22:16.50 | valdyn | linux_newbie: theres quite a few name resolution systems, what kind of computers? |
| 22:17.11 | paulswm | oogy: I haven't tried sbminst (the boot manager), so this is all theoretical, but it's worth a try |
| 22:17.14 | gravity | linux_newbie: You can also use the hostname command to set it temporarily for that session (also so you don't have to reboot after you edit /etc/hostname to get the change) |
| 22:17.27 | linux_newbie | ok, how about the router, b/c the router is not seeing the hostname |
| 22:17.43 | gravity | Huh? |
| 22:17.56 | oogy | is it a huge pain to install stable and upgrade? |
| 22:18.08 | gravity | oogy: No, it's very easy |
| 22:18.13 | paulswm | there seemed to be an unusually high level of non-human primate activity here earlier today |
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| 22:18.53 | Ephemeral | how do u run Gdesklets? |
| 22:19.23 | TheAsp | very carefully |
| 22:19.25 | oogy | gravity: i already have a stable base install on here, should i start over or just upgrade? :O |
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| 22:19.48 | gravity | oogy: Just upgrade and then once you do, add the packages you want |
| 22:19.49 | paulswm | oogy: didn't know you already had a base, upgrading is more sensible then |
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| 22:20.03 | oogy | ah heh, sorry :P |
| 22:20.13 | paulswm | !abuse oogy |
| 22:20.14 | Ephemeral | how do u run a Gdesklet? |
| 22:20.19 | paulswm | heh |
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| 22:20.26 | oogy | tantalizing |
| 22:20.45 | linu_newbie | just noticed this, but both of my debian boxes are unknown host names according to my router :S |
| 22:20.48 | linu_newbie | oh well i guess |
| 22:20.49 | oogy | so if i get to the tasksel step, i should skip it |
| 22:20.49 | Rage_ | how do I find out what program is currently bound to port 21? |
| 22:20.52 | oogy | now that the base is installed? |
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| 22:20.56 | oogy | and go right to upgrading? |
| 22:20.58 | tarzeau | Rage_: netstat -plunt |
| 22:21.00 | tarzeau | Rage_: or lsof -i |
| 22:21.19 | tarzeau | Rage_: you're welcome |
| 22:21.23 | Rage_ | thanks |
| 22:21.23 | paulswm | oogy: as long as your internet connection is up and running, do ahead and upgrade |
| 22:21.34 | paulswm | s/do/go/ |
| 22:21.35 | oogy | yea its connected perfectly |
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| 22:22.57 | paulswm | oogy: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade then |
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| 22:23.35 | oogy | dont i need to change some stuff |
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| 22:23.36 | paulswm | oogy: don't forget to update your sources.lsit first, heh |
| 22:23.39 | oogy | from stable to testing |
| 22:23.42 | oogy | ah yes |
| 22:23.42 | oogy | :P |
| 22:23.47 | _rene_ | no |
| 22:23.48 | oogy | Y |
| 22:23.50 | paulswm | oogy: that's all |
| 22:23.50 | _rene_ | from stable to sarge |
| 22:23.53 | _rene_ | PLEASE |
| 22:23.56 | sally_ | what is a command line utility that will display the length of an mp3? |
| 22:24.03 | oogy | sarge not testing? |
| 22:24.05 | Ephemeral | how do u run a Gdesklet? |
| 22:24.07 | _rene_ | is it |
| 22:24.09 | simonrvn | it is |
| 22:24.10 | _rene_ | *cuurently* |
| 22:24.14 | caphuso | sally_: mpgtx |
| 22:24.19 | gravity | Ephemeral: Read in /usr/share/doc/gdesklets for info |
| 22:24.24 | paulswm | oogy: I would use testing rather than sarge |
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| 22:24.32 | _rene_ | if you leave it and always upgrade there is danger you slip into the new testing (etch) |
| 22:24.33 | oogy | what is the difference |
| 22:24.43 | oogy | oh i see |
| 22:24.48 | _rene_ | where when you add sarge you'll track sarge and keep on sarge |
| 22:24.59 | sally_ | caphuso, beautiful, thanks |
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| 22:25.02 | paulswm | oogy: is you use sarge, you stay with sarge when it goes stable, if you use testing, you stay with the testing distro after sarge goes stable |
| 22:25.02 | La_Tortuga | Hello, i am running Debian in viritual PC and when I start it in full screen the the dbeian stuff is very small just a little part in the middle of the screen, If you tell Viritual PC to have the same resouloution on the guest and host operativ systems, It will look right, but with both settings, the Gnome desktop maneger will not fit into the screen oly the top right corner will be visible. Anyone her that have used debian in viritual PC |
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| 22:25.17 | simonrvn | _rene_: trying to avoid future problems? :) |
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| 22:25.24 | _rene_ | yes |
| 22:25.29 | oogy | is testing usually relatively stable versus unstable? |
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| 22:25.35 | paulswm | oogy: yes |
| 22:25.41 | sussudio | !confuse oogy |
| 22:25.41 | dpkg | Yes, them was my pineapple today, oogy? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 22:25.46 | oogy | hey now |
| 22:25.49 | oogy | enough abuse |
| 22:25.55 | paulswm | oogy: I've been using testing for years |
| 22:26.17 | tarzeau | oogy: i rather use unstable than testing |
| 22:26.18 | acetech | sally_ does mp3 encoding go really slow for you? |
| 22:26.27 | tarzeau | oogy: i've been using unstalbe for years too |
| 22:26.41 | simonrvn | that is some of the worst spelling i've seen in my life |
| 22:26.59 | razorback | ive got a not so quick question...I have been trying to get debian on my box for a little over a week now...multiple flavors, but each different time i get different errors...the latest is 3.0(woody) vanilla...and i get modconf corrput..the md5's check out tho...any thoughts? |
| 22:27.02 | TummyAcid | if i have a linux install and i want to move it to a larger partition, can i just cp -R / /mnt/biggerpartition and modify fstab to point to a new partition? /boot is already on its own drive |
| 22:27.04 | sally_ | acetech: I don't really remember, I didn't think so though, it obviously depends on the quality and length of the track |
| 22:27.06 | paulswm | oogy: however, shit does break occasionally in 'unstable', and if you are running a secure production server you'd prolly want to stick with 'stabe', but testing is the best general choice otherwise |
| 22:27.14 | wolfsong | which channel is it that discusses install issues? |
| 22:27.23 | tarzeau | razorback: try sarge, www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:27.26 | simonrvn | #debian-boot |
| 22:27.39 | razorback | ok..thanx guys...ill switch channels |
| 22:27.45 | gravity | simonrvn: Don't send people to #debian-boot unless they have an actual bug to file |
| 22:27.49 | gravity | simonrvn: That's a dev channel |
| 22:27.53 | gravity | wolfsong: What's your problem? |
| 22:27.54 | razorback | doh |
| 22:27.54 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 22:27.58 | sally_ | paulswm, I have heard that security patches are quickly applied to stable and unstable, but testing doesnt get them until they have been in unstable for a while... is that true? |
| 22:28.03 | gravity | simonrvn: joeyh was complaining about it a while ago, rightly |
| 22:28.18 | simonrvn | understood |
| 22:28.24 | wolfsong | the install script for courier-pop is failing |
| 22:28.40 | razorback | tarzeau, why sarge over woody? I dont mind..just wondering |
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| 22:28.48 | gravity | wolfsong: That's not an issue with the installer. That's an issue with courier-pop. Did you check the courier-pop bugs list? |
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| 22:29.11 | Ephemeral | gravity: What is the Tray in GNOME? |
| 22:29.24 | gravity | Ephemeral: I don't know. Probably the status tray applet. |
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| 22:29.29 | paulswm | sally_: I don't know the exact policy, someone else here no doubt does |
| 22:29.30 | tarzeau | razorback: it's out anyways, tomorrow. so why go for the old? |
| 22:29.39 | wolfsong | gravity: where would i find that buglist? on their website? |
| 22:29.51 | simonrvn | tarzeau: release is tomorrow? |
| 22:30.00 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yeah, didn't you know? |
| 22:30.04 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:30.12 | razorback | tarzeau, i was just reading about some of the packages i wanted, and everything said woody... |
| 22:30.13 | gravity | If only |
| 22:30.15 | simonrvn | h fuck |
| 22:30.18 | razorback | ill try sarge...thanx |
| 22:30.19 | cat | Whos this |
| 22:30.25 | cafuego | So, who was closest? |
| 22:30.28 | razorback | i might be back in a few hours!! |
| 22:30.34 | paulswm | sally_: I'm running low-risk systems behind a firewall, so I'm not all that concerned with the small 'testing' risk |
| 22:30.41 | gravity | !tell wolfsong about bts |
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| 22:30.55 | Echizen | whats the command to check the version of package thats installed? |
| 22:31.01 | tarzeau | Echizen: dpkg -l package |
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| 22:31.07 | Echizen | thanks |
| 22:31.09 | gravity | wolfsong: Read what dpkg told you and check the bugs |
| 22:31.24 | cafuego | I wonder if I was closest; 13/13/20054 ;-) |
| 22:31.27 | wolfsong | thanks gravity |
| 22:31.31 | cafuego | s/54/4/ |
| 22:32.02 | sally_ | paulswm, right... I've heard "testing gets security updates very slowly" as a reason against putting testing on an internet-facing machine |
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| 22:33.10 | cafuego | sally_: Well, apparently testing will be stable tomorrow. |
| 22:33.42 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 22:33.54 | FalscherHase | hi. i have both radeonfb and vesafb compiled into my kernel. radeonfb seems to be the first on boot. is there a kernel parameter to turn radeonfb off? |
| 22:33.56 | gravity | Oh man... if this rumor spreads I'm going to be very disappointed |
| 22:33.56 | cafuego | !eye dondelelcaro |
| 22:34.05 | gravity | Does anyone read -devel-announce anymore? |
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| 22:34.15 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 22:34.15 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 22:34.17 | cafuego | gravity: I get enough spam from -mentors |
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| 22:34.22 | dondelelcaro | gravity: dpkg obviously does |
| 22:34.30 | gravity | hehe |
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| 22:34.39 | Bizarro_paco | the newb here again...not a lot that is obvious to black box when u first load it |
| 22:34.43 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: you won't get any from -announce... only signed mail goes through it |
| 22:34.43 | gravity | cafuego: -mentors is crap. -devel-announce is all but required |
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| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | (mail signed by a DD, that is) |
| 22:35.02 | paulswm | sally_: well, it would depend on how you have it configured, security risks are often local, but, yeah, if I had to have a box facing the jungle, I'd prolly use stable on it :) |
| 22:35.28 | cafuego | gravity: I get security-announce, don need to steekin' devel mails. |
| 22:35.43 | gravity | cafuego: And yet you read *-mentors*? |
| 22:35.47 | gravity | What a crappy list |
| 22:35.54 | gilles | caphuso: sox doesn't work, no sound |
| 22:35.57 | gravity | I wish it was better, but I had a bad experience on it |
| 22:35.59 | cafuego | gravity: Actually, I generally mark it as read and get on with work ;-) |
| 22:36.33 | gravity | cafuego: You'll get a total of about 2-4 mails a week from -devel-announce, 2 of which are RC bugs and work needing packages for the week. |
| 22:36.59 | cafuego | gravity: If sarge releases tomorrow I'll subscribe! ;-) |
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| 22:37.21 | simonrvn | gravity: not lately (read d-d-a) ;) |
| 22:37.52 | simonrvn | Bizarro_paco: right click |
| 22:37.53 | TummyAcid | anyone know an easy way to resize a fat32 partition from the console in linux? |
| 22:38.08 | gravity | simonrvn: Well, most of the announcements have been kind of nice... like the -volatile status update and dpkg status update |
| 22:38.12 | glasse | parted isn't exactly easy but it might be what you want |
| 22:38.18 | gravity | I can't think of a list for Debian I'd rather be on |
| 22:38.27 | simonrvn | gravity: i've been reading the *subjects*, ;) |
| 22:38.39 | gravity | Ah :-) |
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| 22:39.21 | simonrvn | hmm sieve is filtering my d-d-a mail to d-d box.. |
| 22:39.32 | gravity | Oh, that's no go |
| 22:39.34 | gravity | good even |
| 22:40.51 | simonrvn | probably a bad regex heh |
| 22:41.40 | simonrvn | d-d-a was the second list subbed to. first one was d-powerpc =) |
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| 22:41.52 | fooz | simonrvn, it doesn't like you |
| 22:42.36 | simonrvn | fooz: no, i need to make entry for d-d-a first in the list, then d-d |
| 22:42.48 | simonrvn | so it matches d-d-a |
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| 22:44.18 | gravity | simonrvn: That's one of the things I dislike very much about procmail |
| 22:44.22 | simonrvn | gravity: i like the idea of volatile. for the very reason stuff like SA need to be updated often |
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| 22:44.59 | gravity | simonrvn: Definitely. It's much needed |
| 22:45.01 | lee | is there a program to make a new partition? |
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| 22:45.04 | simonrvn | sieve i just add another elsif |
| 22:45.15 | Ringo999 | hello. here is a debian nubie. its my first time im installing debian and im trying to get gnome to run. i went to #Debian and send of "/ msg dpkg set up x" to get teh apt-get command for installing x-window. What do i do now? base-config? |
| 22:45.42 | gilles | an old mouse doesn't work on an old computer, neither with dpkg-reconfigure xserver..., so xwindow only works when an usb mouse is plugged, what can i do to make this mouse work ? |
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| 22:45.59 | caphuso | in procmail you simply fix your broken regexp |
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| 22:46.23 | lee | gilles: is it a usb mouse? |
| 22:46.26 | hool | what packages do i need to apt to get me a windowmanager and a X server? |
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| 22:46.37 | Ringo999 | @All: please? |
| 22:46.51 | gilles | lee: the old mouse is ps, i have a usb one, but i need it for another computer |
| 22:46.59 | caphuso | hool: x-window-system-core plus the package of the window manager you want to use |
| 22:47.02 | mh_le | can anyone tell me why my laptops monitor shuts off and computer goes down when I try to use the nvidia drivers? |
| 22:47.11 | manglerbang | is anyone here familiar with xul? |
| 22:47.16 | hool | caphuso, thanx man.. i keep forgetting.. |
| 22:47.24 | simonrvn | Ringo999: try logging in :) |
| 22:47.30 | lee | gilles, you could try apt-get install mdetect hotplug |
| 22:47.31 | Rawplayer | how can i add padding bytes to the end of a file? |
| 22:47.40 | lee | then run mdetect |
| 22:47.41 | gravity | manglerbang: You'll probably want to try a mozilla channel |
| 22:47.43 | lee | but im not sure |
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| 22:48.29 | simonrvn | manglerbang: #mozilla maybe, on their irc network (irc.mozilla.org IIRC) |
| 22:48.36 | paulswm | Rawplayer: you could use dd, carefully, or you could use echo ... >>file |
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| 22:49.09 | hool | manglerbang, contribute enough and someone will pop by your house and fix it ;) |
| 22:49.25 | manglerbang | lol |
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| 22:49.46 | hool | if you're REALLY good they'll mowe your lawn too ;) |
| 22:50.04 | Rawplayer | thanks paulswm |
| 22:51.03 | gilles | lee: it tells me "/dev/psaux" and "intellimouse", but when i cat the /dev/psaux, i can see that the usb mouse has the port, and i can't find the ps mouse nowhere |
| 22:51.25 | Ringo999 | simonrvn: ok logged in. now what? |
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| 22:51.32 | Ringo999 | ;) |
| 22:51.33 | paulswm | Rawplayer: np, echo is best using the append redirection ('>>'), man echo will tell you how to specify codes of non-printing chars if you wanted to use nulls, for instance |
| 22:52.12 | simonrvn | Ringo999: go have fun |
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| 22:52.17 | lee | this is what needs to go in your x-server config |
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| 22:52.28 | Ringo999 | simonrvn: but how do i get gnome to work? |
| 22:52.38 | Ringo999 | startx dont work :( |
| 22:52.54 | simonrvn | @xsession |
| 22:52.54 | ravenbird | ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\n. $HOME/.bash_profile\n. $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 22:52.56 | Wekkel | and startkde? |
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| 22:53.08 | Ringo999 | nope |
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| 22:54.14 | simonrvn | Ringo999: read ^^^^ # add exec gnome-session to the ~/.xsession |
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| 22:54.49 | mr_obb | Hi. I just compiled a new 2.6.8 kernel. When I boot I get the following message: "no module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled". In make menuconfig I had "Enable loadable module support", "Module unloading", "Module versioning support" and "Automatic kernel module loading" enabled. What does the error mean? |
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| 22:57.19 | JoePenguin | mr_obb: did you do a "make modules_install"? |
| 22:57.31 | openrealty | Woody bf24 kernel -- then using apt-get to install newest kernel image 2.4.18-k7 do I have to add some initrd line to lilo.conf? |
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| 22:57.54 | openrealty | initrd=/initrd.img |
| 22:58.03 | openrealty | if I do that will my system be bootable? |
| 22:58.14 | mr_obb | JoePenguin: I used make-kpkg kernel_image and make-kpkg modules_image |
| 22:58.20 | JoePenguin | oh |
| 22:58.28 | Ringo999 | simonrvn: im too stupid. i should add a line in the /.session saying what? |
| 22:58.42 | simonrvn | Ringo999: xsession, not session |
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| 22:58.59 | Ringo999 | how do i know gnome is installed? |
| 22:59.39 | Ringo999 | all i want is a basic debian with gnome/internet/music/office. |
| 22:59.48 | Ringo999 | can it be so hard to install all that? |
| 23:00.03 | robin_sz | OK, how come apt-get search tcpdump finds a package tcpdump, yet apt-get install tcpdump says 'no availabel packages' huh? |
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| 23:01.27 | gravity | Ringo999: So install gnome, open-office.org, mozilla-firefox, xmms |
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| 23:01.32 | gravity | Ringo999: What's the problem? |
| 23:02.09 | npx | no prenup |
| 23:02.20 | openrealty | if I install kernel-image2.4.18 over bf24 will my old kernel still be available in case this new one doesnt work? |
| 23:02.24 | paster | "simonrvn" at 66.11.160.83 pasted "#! /bin/sh # sample .xsession" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/197 |
| 23:02.33 | Echizen | would anyone care to join #flood and take a look at something for me? |
| 23:02.38 | simonrvn | Ringo999: go see that URI |
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| 23:02.39 | npx | openrealty you're not gonna install over it, but beside it |
| 23:02.39 | Jarn | I get this from my compiler when trying to ./configure "checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" |
| 23:02.44 | Jarn | does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 23:02.49 | simonrvn | Ringo999: the one that paster pasted |
| 23:02.50 | jeaneid | does anyone here use win e |
| 23:02.54 | cafuego | Jarn: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:03.00 | Jarn | thanks |
| 23:03.05 | npx | Echizen /msg dpkg paste - a more convenient method |
| 23:03.26 | openrealty | npx: apt-get told me to add initrd=/initrd.img to lilo.conf will that line mess up booting to old bf24 kernel? |
| 23:03.50 | npx | openrealty you add that to a new stanza, don't even touch the bf24 stanza |
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| 23:04.16 | Jarn | haha |
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| 23:04.36 | openrealty | npx: Ok I see cool |
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| 23:05.01 | npx | openrealty look in /usr/share/doc/lilo/examples if you're unclear on anything |
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| 23:05.42 | openrealty | npx: ok thanks because I see two stanzas image/vmlinuz and image=/vmlinuz.old and I dont know what to name the new one |
| 23:05.42 | loke | who do i cp all of one systems installed packages to another? |
| 23:06.41 | npx | openrealty You may not even need to add a new one - ls -la /vmlinuz and ls -la /vmlinuz.old - /vmlinuz may be a symlink to your freshly installed kernel |
| 23:06.47 | Jarn | thank you, cafuego |
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| 23:06.49 | Jarn | worked like a charm |
| 23:06.54 | Jarn | too bad I got a ton of errors. |
| 23:06.54 | Jarn | heh |
| 23:06.55 | Wekkel | cp /<location> /<destination> ? |
| 23:07.01 | mouse | hi guys! :D |
| 23:07.11 | npx | mouse, hi |
| 23:07.20 | openrealty | npx: you are right |
| 23:07.24 | mouse | how are u? |
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| 23:07.38 | simonrvn | Wekkel: yes. man cp; cp --help |
| 23:07.40 | npx | openrealty just add the initrd=/initrd.img line to the /vmlinuz stanza and re-run lilo |
| 23:07.42 | openrealty | npx: but there is no initrd=/initrd.img line in the vmlinuz standard (which points to the new kernel) |
| 23:07.52 | openrealty | npx: ok cool man thanks a ton |
| 23:07.57 | npx | no problem |
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| 23:08.44 | npx | openrealty be sure /initrd.img points to the right initrd |
| 23:08.52 | npx | (it's a symlink) |
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| 23:09.28 | openrealty | npx: apt told me it was making a symlink but I dont see one |
| 23:09.36 | openrealty | npx: im going to create one |
| 23:09.43 | npx | that's fine |
| 23:12.12 | openrealty | npx: there may be a symlink, when I do ls or dir in /boot I dont see initrd.img but when I do ln -s /ini then double tab for autocomplete and initrd.img shows up |
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| 23:12.27 | abrotman | ls -l /initrd.img |
| 23:12.38 | openrealty | what does that do? |
| 23:12.52 | abrotman | either shows you the size .. or where the initrd.img points |
| 23:13.00 | abrotman | well .. both i suppose |
| 23:13.06 | npx | hehe |
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| 23:13.31 | npx | yeah, do ls -l /initrd.img to see what initrd it points to |
| 23:13.38 | abrotman | openrealty: what does it say? |
| 23:13.45 | openrealty | looks good |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | it's a symlink or actual file? |
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| 23:14.21 | openrealty | this /initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18 |
| 23:14.26 | abrotman | not enough snow .. need more |
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| 23:14.48 | npx | openrealty what kernel-image did you just install? |
| 23:14.50 | Ringo999 | seriously. i just installed some kind of sarge version on my pc. im not a unix pro. just know some basics. i was told to install x using the string from / msg dpkg set up x ...now what do i do to get my desktop environment running? |
| 23:15.12 | Ringo999 | I dont even know if gnome got installed |
| 23:15.15 | openrealty | kernel-image2.4.18-k7 |
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| 23:15.18 | openrealty | which is what it points to |
| 23:15.20 | npx | Ringo999 first you need to select a desktop environment or window manager. I suggest starting with gnome or kde. |
| 23:15.21 | abrotman | Ringo999: apt-get install gnome |
| 23:15.25 | openrealty | i negelected to add the k7 in my post |
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| 23:15.36 | Ringo999 | npx: yeah gnome |
| 23:15.36 | abrotman | Ringo999: that should get everything you need if you've already installed x-window-system |
| 23:15.41 | npx | openrealty okay (that's sorta important, was making sure) |
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| 23:15.50 | openrealty | npx: no doubt thanks man |
| 23:15.59 | npx | openrealty afaik you're good to go, and even if the new entry is broken the old one will still boot |
| 23:16.08 | Rawplayer | are there options for gcc to compress the binary's ? |
| 23:16.10 | Ringo999 | npx: but what did "desktop environment" in basic-config install? |
| 23:16.27 | abrotman | in tasksel? |
| 23:16.32 | Wekkel | I guess dpkg isn't in tonight? |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 23:16.37 | dpkg | hola, abrotman |
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| 23:16.59 | npx | Ringo999 I'm not sure, to tell the truth. Try running 'apt-get install gnome' or 'apt-get install kde' - either should be fine for a new user |
| 23:17.09 | Ringo999 | ok |
| 23:17.15 | linux_newbie | is there a way i can run a program that is installed on a mac using a live distro of linux b/c i do not like OS X |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | Ringo999: if you want gnome .. `apt-get install gnome gdm` .. just to make sure you get gdm |
| 23:17.21 | openrealty | npx: alright Im going to reboot brb |
| 23:17.24 | npx | I prefer KDE, a lot of people prefer GNOME, so you might try both if you have the time |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | !mol |
| 23:17.30 | dpkg | somebody said mol was Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian |
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| 23:17.39 | abrotman | !info mol sarge |
| 23:17.42 | openrealty | I like kde much better than gnome |
| 23:17.45 | Xenguy | Ringo999: it doesn't really matter does it? If you want GNOME, install it ;-) You probably want to do a 'apt-get update' first before 'apt-get install gnome' |
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| 23:17.59 | openrealty | kde is more like windows gnome is more like mac |
| 23:18.03 | dondelelcaro | *** I WILL BE REMOVING MASSIVE NUMBERS OF BANS FROM #DEBIAN SHORTLY. /ignore -time 360 #debian MODES; FOR YOUR SANITY *** |
| 23:18.07 | abrotman | linux_newbie: you want mac on linux ... |
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| 23:18.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: nooo!!! |
| 23:18.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:18.22 | tarzeau | StevenK_: hi |
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| 23:18.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is kawfee coming back? |
| 23:18.32 | Ringo999 | ok did update, now gonme gdm |
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| 23:18.36 | tarzeau | npx: please don't forget gnustep |
| 23:18.40 | Ringo999 | what do i do when it is done? |
| 23:18.49 | thenuke | haha, 242 bans :D |
| 23:18.52 | linux_newbie | mac on linux? i've been googling around but havent' found what i'm looking for....what is mac on linux? |
| 23:18.54 | abrotman | Ringo999: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 23:18.58 | tarzeau | openrealty: no gnome is more like windows. gnustep is more like mac os x |
| 23:18.59 | abrotman | !mol |
| 23:18.59 | dpkg | somebody said mol was Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian |
| 23:19.03 | abrotman | linux_newbie: go there ^^ |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | wait .. that's not right |
| 23:19.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:19.12 | tarzeau | openrealty: look is not important, feel is |
| 23:19.13 | *** join/#debian wnorrix_ (~warren@202.68.158.180) |
| 23:19.13 | thenuke | linux_newbie: umm, emulator? |
| 23:19.20 | openrealty | tarzeau: I have not tried gnustep |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | !mac-on-linux |
| 23:19.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mac-on-linux is a vmware-like thing for ppc-based linux boxen, and is at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/mac_on_linux.html |
| 23:19.28 | dondelelcaro | *** UNBANNING BEGINS /ignore -time 360 #debian MODES; FOR YOUR SANITY *** |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | linux_newbie: your box is ppc right? |
| 23:19.33 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@164.77.90.102 *!*@p508C281A.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@ppp-66-73-158-14.dialup.evvlin.ameritech.net *!*@a81-84-140-5.netcabo.pt] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.36 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@200.48.30.200 *!*@CPE0004ac237e6f-CM400048293705.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com *!*@adsl-209-30-38-198.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net *!*@p5091AFF2.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.39 | tarzeau | openrealty: you can try. apt-get install gnustep wmaker x-window-system-core gnustep-devel gnustep-games |
| 23:19.39 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@paddy.user *!*@0-2pool67-96.nas5.helena1.mt.us.da.qwest.net *!*@85.97.138.69 *!*@wg55.waag.org] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.42 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@pakastelohi.cypherpunks.to *!*@c-24-20-70-130.client.comcast.net *!*@24.164.242.124 *!*@209.142.37.21] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.43 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: [10:20] + Irssi: Invalid timestamp |
| 23:19.45 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@dsl027-178-156.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net *!*@host-212.129.62.123.tiscali-business.fr *!*@the.dogs.bollo.cx *!*@19-40.69-92-cpe.cableone.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.48 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ip51ce9866.speed.planet.nl *!*@203.189.236.112 *!*@62-15-172-22.inversas.jazztel.es *!*@62-240-242-61.adsl.claranet.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.51 | toresbe | Sanity? what sanity |
| 23:19.51 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@213.186.51.7 *!*@bleuets-3-81-56-123-110.fbx.proxad.net *!*@80.65.229.41 *!*@carbon.olene.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.54 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@62.204.158.53 *!*@chi.spunge.org *!*@d207-216-106-15.bchsia.telus.net *!*@220-245-254-36-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:19.57 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@201.1.145.128 *!*@202.157.202.78 *!*@202.152.44.250 *!*@81.185.149.107] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@dross.user *!*@pcp08725670pcs.towson01.md.comcast.net *!*@cae88-122-187.sc.rr.com *!*@211.223.49.19] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.03 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@Toronto-HSE-ppp3656575.sympatico.ca *!*@adsl-64-165-225-251.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net *!*@ppp83-237-242-5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru *!*@host217-43-73-1.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.05 | toresbe | that ship sailed when I started playing with the PDP-7 |
| 23:20.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@adsl-64-165-18-206.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net *!*@syr-24-58-153-146.twcny.rr.com *!*@wsip-68-224-172-77.sd.sd.cox.net *!*@gamestar.iseek.com.au] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@11.198.216.81.dre.siw.siwnet.net *!*@host62-191.pool80181.interbusiness.it *!*@d325.dialup.telecom.by *!*@pc-216-99.apoquindo.pc.metropolis-inter.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.12 | openrealty | I will try it on my test box, I am trying to put together a phpgroupware server right now |
| 23:20.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@82.198.125.138 *!*@serifos.eecs.harvard.edu *!*@ti131310a080-6457.bb.online.no *!*@63.85.194.6] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.15 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@b5.a2zworks.net *!*@dialup2.fhpaschen.com *!*@c-24-0-79-251.client.comcast.net *!*@166.70.93.2] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.18 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@216.32.201.125 *!*@adsl-68-90-44-143.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net *!*@anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk *!*@194.25.9.105] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.21 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ali.mishari-hosting.net *!*@202.83.78.17 *!*@200-138-103-126.ctame7044.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br *!*@p5084DCDF.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.24 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@81-203-80-12.user.ono.com *!*@80-218-3-104.dclient.hispeed.ch *!*@155.239.118.122 *!*@c2-102-1.rdg.dial.mweb.co.za] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.27 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ip68-12-196-21.ok.ok.cox.net *!*@c-24-14-237-131.client.comcast.net *!*@nusnet-156-21.dynip.nus.edu.sg *!*@dialup-83-174-209-52.ufamts.ru] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.30 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@services.dalnet.cl *!*@cpe-24-160-1-59.sw.rr.com *!*@nae534.emirates.net.ae *!*@dhcp024-208-191-042.columbus.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.33 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@83.72.69.117.ip.tele2adsl.dk *!*@68.233.141.148 *!*@ATuileries-109-1-4-154.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr *!*@d150-163-243.home.cgocable.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.36 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@host217-43-162-41.range217-43.btcentralplus.com *!*@gw-amn.axalnet.sk *!*@pppoe1-dby.broadcom.dk *!*@r52h145.dixie-net.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.39 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@146-115-125-170.c3-0.arl-ubr1.sbo-arl.ma.cable.rcn.com *!*@c-66-176-248-115.se.client2.attbi.com *!*@81.213.232.125 *!*@ridgex.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.42 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@85.96.147.162 *!*@80.191.98.117 *!*@dsl81-214-46482.adsl.ttnet.net.tr *!*@213.22.172.5] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.45 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@69.153.212.166 *!*@85.96.146.101 *!*@li9-223.members.linode.com *!*@ti311110a080-1578.bb.online.no] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.47 | Jarn | woah, thats a lot of removed bans |
| 23:20.48 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ti311110a080-1708.bb.online.no *!*@ti311110a080-2705.bb.online.no *!*@x.spidernetbg.com *!*@dsl81-214-11211.adsl.ttnet.net.tr] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | all of ridgex was bnned? |
| 23:20.51 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@dsl81-214-10822.adsl.ttnet.net.tr *!*@66-215-36-19.bb-mres.charterpipeline.net *!*@83.230.129.1 *!*@65.185.106.2] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.54 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ip68-3-6-138.ph.ph.cox.net *!*@ip68-6-140-90.sd.sd.cox.net *!*@ip68-11-127-175.no.no.cox.net *!*@ip68-1-195-179.dl.dl.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:20.57 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ip68-1-218-239.dl.dl.cox.net *!*@c-24-3-36-62.client.comcast.net *!*@24-148-63-222.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com *!*@ip68-11-147-104.br.no.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.00 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@c68.112.186.179.fdl.wi.charter.com *!*@ip68-10-81-160.hr.hr.cox.net *!*@201.2.208.163 *!*@216-15-103-180.c3-0.upd-ubr6.trpr-upd.pa.cable.rcn.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.03 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ool-18be3a49.dyn.optonline.net *!*@cafeautism.net *!*@h-68-166-180-28.sttnwaho.covad.net *!*@host26-245.pool80180.interbusiness.it] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.06 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@astinus.user *!*@222.152.96.175 *!*@253.Red-217-125-17.pooles.rima-tde.net *!*@84.97.17.233] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@93.Red-80-39-135.pooles.rima-tde.net *!*@195.204.98.127 *!*@200.193.102.165 *!*@85.96.15.132] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.12 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com *!*@evrtwa1-ar12-4-3-129-123.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net *!*@49.186-201-80.adsl.skynet.be *!*@dialup-4.224.192.174.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.14 | yeti | cafuego: you can just ignore the modes ;) : /ignore -time 360 #debian MODES |
| 23:21.16 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*@ool-44c69452.dyn.optonline.net *!*@pool-68-160-33-149.bos.east.verizon.net *!*@ip64-75-149-29.dial.maui.net *!*@200.207.162.15] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.19 | *** mode/#debian [-bb *!*@adsl-66-143-35-51.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net *!*@200.254.168.140] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.22 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb sam1967!*@* *!*@*.adsl.ttnet.net.tr spook__!*@* webmaster!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.23 | Xemacs | whats happening ? |
| 23:21.24 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb liten_!*@* HostingGeek!*@* Howdy!*@* punk!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.26 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb scrooch!*@* *!ajavid@*ok.ok.cox.net Nyle!*@* groulder!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.29 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb competenCe*!*@* csabo*!*@* xfree86!*@* *!*gigla17@217.147.228.*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.30 | *** join/#debian ec (~ec@69-172-4-40.clvdoh.adelphia.net) |
| 23:21.31 | Wekkel | Britisch, LOL |
| 23:21.32 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb *!*jkl@*.bb.online.no *!*@*.lan.trelane.net Rez*!*@* RezHater!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.33 | linux_newbie | that looks like it runs the whole OS X inside of linux....i just need one program |
| 23:21.34 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb Yalan_MI!*@* phexx!*@* jkhjkljh!*@* luc2!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.35 | cafuego | yeti: I know. (Except my irssi didn't like '-time 360' |
| 23:21.36 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb slak2!*@* punchik!*@* siggmus!*@* quanta!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.39 | *** mode/#debian [-bbbb Ambient!*@* DaViiD!*@* snope!*@* bob2killer!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.42 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb bob3killer!*@* *nigger*!*@* *!*@dialup-*.azerin.com] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:21.46 | ec | ?? |
| 23:21.51 | Jarn | is there more, I wondeR? |
| 23:21.52 | Jarn | :P |
| 23:21.54 | KimHansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.57 | abrotman | we need more!! |
| 23:22.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:22.00 | cafuego | There ayways is. |
| 23:22.06 | yeti | cafuego: dunno if my irssi like it, it seems to have worked for me though |
| 23:22.07 | toresbe | Wekkel: you mean, the Boureehteeshoue |
| 23:22.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how come? |
| 23:22.19 | Wekkel | please explain :P |
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| 23:22.26 | abrotman | Wekkel: explain what? |
| 23:22.29 | Jarn | wow |
| 23:22.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how come you undid all those? |
| 23:22.45 | Wekkel | Boureehteeshoue |
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| 23:22.52 | abrotman | english? |
| 23:22.52 | cafuego | abrotman: Cruftbans eat server ram. |
| 23:22.57 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:22.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: because they're old? and trying to parse through a banlist that long is a pain? |
| 23:23.00 | toresbe | Wekkel: read it aloud |
| 23:23.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: okeedokee |
| 23:23.15 | Wekkel | ok, he he |
| 23:23.24 | Wekkel | a bit hard for a Dutch person |
| 23:23.30 | nvz | you know I think I finally narrowed my wireless input interference down to the mouse transmitting subtle signals due to the gloss on the table |
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| 23:23.41 | toresbe | Wekkel: He he, ik zieng het liefst in Nederlands, weet U |
| 23:23.47 | La_Tortuga | Hello, i am running Debian in viritual PC and when I start it in full screen the the dbeian stuff is very small just a little part in the middle of the screen, If you tell Viritual PC to have the same resouloution on the guest and host operativ systems, It will look right, but with both settings, the Gnome desktop maneger will not fit into the screen oly the top right corner will be visible. Anyone her that have used debian in viritual PC |
| 23:23.53 | toresbe | Wekkel: Kijk eens, tenslotte wonen wij in Nederland. |
| 23:23.56 | Wekkel | daarom |
| 23:24.25 | Wekkel | La_Tortuga: no, only in VMWare 4.5 |
| 23:24.38 | cafuego | oh ja? |
| 23:24.40 | Ikarus | Nederlanders zijn hier best veel voorkomend hoor |
| 23:24.40 | La_Tortuga | wekkel: ?????? |
| 23:24.44 | Wekkel | in Vmware, Debian works like a charm |
| 23:24.48 | hob | which file do I have to modify to change the default WM ? |
| 23:25.00 | abrotman | hob: look into alternatives |
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| 23:25.03 | abrotman | man alternatives |
| 23:25.03 | La_Tortuga | Wekkel: In VPC it works like ******* |
| 23:25.07 | Wekkel | hmm |
| 23:25.17 | Wekkel | I do not have any experience with Virtual PC |
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| 23:25.22 | Wekkel | nor with Qemu |
| 23:25.22 | La_Tortuga | You should just see the freaking problem |
| 23:25.32 | La_Tortuga | It's ridecelous |
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| 23:25.34 | dondelelcaro | hob: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager; |
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| 23:25.40 | gilles | a million of windows are opening on my screen, how do i stop that ? |
| 23:25.45 | Wekkel | Why do you use Virtual PC? |
| 23:25.51 | toresbe | Wekkel: En waarom zou je de mensen dan Frans en Engels voorzetten, nietwaar? Kijk eens, in een restaurant vind ik dat wat anders. |
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| 23:25.52 | La_Tortuga | I had it at home |
| 23:25.52 | abrotman | gilles: stop surfing porn ? |
| 23:25.57 | cafuego | gilles: Disable javascript and stop looking at porn sites |
| 23:25.57 | La_Tortuga | So I took it |
| 23:26.08 | Wekkel | toresbe: Ja, daar kunnen ze nog een hoop van leren |
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| 23:26.16 | hob | cheers |
| 23:26.20 | Wekkel | Onze taal is nog behoorlijk ingenieus |
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| 23:26.31 | La_Tortuga | Now I have spent so long... and ppl are telling me to get VMware and redo it |
| 23:26.37 | Wekkel | al is Belgisch mooier |
| 23:26.42 | abrotman | english |
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| 23:26.47 | Ikarus | Wekkel: understatement van het jaar |
| 23:26.47 | toresbe | Wekkel: Een goed menu moet eigenlijk in het Frans zijn, want dan smaakt het ook lekkerder. |
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| 23:26.51 | Wekkel | La_Tortuga: have you bought Virtual PC? |
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| 23:26.56 | La_Tortuga | No |
| 23:26.56 | abrotman | english |
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| 23:26.59 | cafuego | Wekkel/toresb: Excusez moi, ici on parle anglais. |
| 23:27.02 | gilles | abrotman, cafuego: it wasn't because of porn sites, it all is terminal windows |
| 23:27.02 | La_Tortuga | My mum has |
| 23:27.03 | abrotman | english |
| 23:27.12 | La_Tortuga | We got it at home |
| 23:27.14 | acetech | is there a method to combine the kde and gnome menus? |
| 23:27.19 | tarzeau | acetech: yuck |
| 23:27.19 | Wekkel | nous saisons |
| 23:27.20 | abrotman | gilles: did you like .. while true xterm? |
| 23:27.22 | cafuego | gilles: Did you do something strange to your .xsession file? |
| 23:27.24 | abrotman | Wekkel: english! |
| 23:27.26 | toresbe | Wekkel: Als je nou leest op een menu in het Hollands gewoon kalfsborst, dan denk je bij jezelf, nou, kalfsborst, nietwaar. Maar staat er nou "buste de veau" |
| 23:27.26 | TummyAcid | would it be safe to use dd to copy hda5 to hda6? |
| 23:27.30 | dondelelcaro | acetech: the Debian menu has everything that you'd actually need on it |
| 23:27.33 | abrotman | acetech: apt-get intall menu |
| 23:27.35 | La_Tortuga | ENGLISH PLEASE |
| 23:27.38 | tarzeau | TummyAcid: if they're the same size exactly |
| 23:27.40 | toresbe | Wekkel: Tja, dan neem je het, he |
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| 23:27.45 | abrotman | toresbe: knock it off |
| 23:27.53 | gilles | abrotman, cafuego: i just tried to open firefox, and probably did a bad manip |
| 23:27.53 | TummyAcid | tarzeau: if they are not what would you recomend? |
| 23:27.58 | hob | qy |
| 23:28.35 | toresbe | abrotman: just quoting someone. :P |
| 23:28.35 | tarzeau | TummyAcid: anything can happen :) |
| 23:28.35 | Wekkel | Ok, but are you willing to buy VMWare? |
| 23:28.35 | cafuego | Kom op joh, in het engels alsjeblieft. The natives are getting restless. |
| 23:28.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | toresbe: and? |
| 23:28.35 | *** mode/#debian [-J] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:28.35 | acetech | dondelelcaro: the debian menu does have everything exept alot of the icons |
| 23:28.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:28.40 | dondelelcaro | acetech: hrm... it should have the icons too |
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| 23:28.40 | toresbe | abrotman: It wouldn't work in English |
| 23:28.40 | Wekkel | Ok, but are you willing to buy VMWare? |
| 23:28.42 | La_Tortuga | Nah :( |
| 23:28.44 | toresbe | Wekkel: no, verdamnit |
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| 23:28.49 | Xemacs | are we under attack ? |
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| 23:28.58 | gilles | what happened, why so many people left at the same time ? |
| 23:28.58 | La_Tortuga | I i am 13 just playinga round |
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| 23:28.59 | cafuego | Xemacs: dutch invasion |
| 23:29.01 | La_Tortuga | happend to hae virtual PC |
| 23:29.02 | La_Tortuga | on cd |
| 23:29.03 | toresbe | hah |
| 23:29.03 | Wekkel | Well, if you are able to 'borrow' a copy, please do so |
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| 23:29.08 | acetech | dondelelcaro: it does for some of the items but for some it does not |
| 23:29.09 | La_Tortuga | so I installed the shit |
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| 23:29.20 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: You should install Linux on a real PC :) |
| 23:29.22 | Wekkel | or get help from someone who does understand Virtual PC |
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| 23:29.31 | cafuego | gilles: netsplit, just surf the wave. |
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| 23:29.33 | dondelelcaro | acetech: ah... well, the ones that are missing probably are bugs... you can see how the debian menu system works to fix them. |
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| 23:29.42 | La_Tortuga | toresbe: and dual booting and stuff ahh I want my windows |
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| 23:29.46 | Wekkel | currently, Debian Woody is apt-get upgrading under VMWare ;) |
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| 23:29.54 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: no, you don't :P |
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| 23:30.01 | La_Tortuga | I want :p |
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| 23:30.03 | La_Tortuga | Games |
| 23:30.11 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Trust me, it's a habit you'll get over |
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| 23:30.14 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: apt-cache search game |
| 23:30.17 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Waste your time on IRC |
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| 23:30.23 | La_Tortuga | LoL |
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| 23:30.28 | gilles | cafuego: netsplit, does it mean that all people who were timed out have been fired ? |
| 23:30.30 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: it's a more believeable simulation of constructiveness |
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| 23:30.33 | La_Tortuga | No I want my windows... |
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| 23:30.39 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: why? |
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| 23:30.42 | abrotman | !netsplit |
| 23:30.42 | dpkg | netsplit is, like, A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 23:30.48 | La_Tortuga | Well... It's nice |
| 23:30.52 | La_Tortuga | I like Windows |
| 23:30.58 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Surely you sdon't ENJOY the ugly UI and crap performance. |
| 23:31.02 | Inf3cted_FX | Hello ppl |
| 23:31.05 | La_Tortuga | Got nice programs user friendly |
| 23:31.09 | Wekkel | hmm |
| 23:31.15 | Wekkel | windows xp ain't that bad |
| 23:31.16 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: I used to be that way |
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| 23:31.19 | Wekkel | neither is w2k |
| 23:31.20 | La_Tortuga | All my friends got it I can use it |
| 23:31.29 | La_Tortuga | It got games |
| 23:31.33 | cafuego | Wekkel: Als je niks beters te zeggen hebt, zeg dan liever niks :-P |
| 23:31.39 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: but once you get comfy with Linux, you'll never go back, trust me |
| 23:31.40 | Inf3cted_FX | I download Enlightenment but I can't satrt from GDM using it.. how can I do that? |
| 23:31.46 | La_Tortuga | I AM 13 FOR GODS SAKE, I don't use my comp to program :p |
| 23:31.55 | Wekkel | let's face it, ms has done a nice job with respect to user friendlyness |
| 23:31.59 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: I am 16 |
| 23:32.01 | toresbe | Wekkel: no |
| 23:32.05 | Wekkel | yes |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | toresbe: but you're a freak :) |
| 23:32.06 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Neither do I. That doesn't mean I can't use Linux to do work and play games. |
| 23:32.20 | toresbe | Wekkel: they absolutely haven't. No way, no how, no way at all |
| 23:32.32 | La_Tortuga | wekkel: yes the insatllation program dosn't ask you which driver you are to use or which bus your graphic card is on |
| 23:32.41 | Wekkel | thats not a valid argument |
| 23:32.43 | cafuego | Wekkel: it's dumbed the OS down top the point where advanced users get frustrated by fucking wizards trying to do stuff. |
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| 23:32.58 | Wekkel | ok, but the rest of the world isn't an advanced user |
| 23:33.09 | Wekkel | don't bitch too hard on windows |
| 23:33.13 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: try installing WinXP on and AMD64 box and then say that again. |
| 23:33.17 | toresbe | Wekkel: They've BADLY copied the "userfriendly" top off Apple, and the bottom is cruftier than OS/360 |
| 23:33.20 | Wekkel | it hasn't conquered the world just for nothing |
| 23:33.28 | La_Tortuga | Ye dos it mather |
| 23:33.31 | Wekkel | ok, Why didn't apple made the succes? |
| 23:33.32 | La_Tortuga | Windows is good |
| 23:33.36 | La_Tortuga | It is |
| 23:33.38 | Inf3cted_FX | Does anybody know hoe can I setup my GDM in order to use Enlightenment?? i just download it but I cant see it in the GDM |
| 23:33.40 | cafuego | Wekkel: No, it did that because of illegal monopolistic activities. |
| 23:33.46 | toresbe | Wekkel: no, it's conquered the world because Microsoft got prestige by landing the DOS contract |
| 23:34.02 | La_Tortuga | Well convincing a Linux guy about that is like convincig a cow to eat meat |
| 23:34.10 | toresbe | Wekkel: It then was the IBM software contractor, and that got it started |
| 23:34.11 | Wekkel | Well if linux is that good |
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| 23:34.21 | Wekkel | mind the Dutch saying |
| 23:34.23 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Try sitting though 3 BSODs before realising you need to buy a damned floppy drive to install Windows. |
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| 23:34.27 | Wekkel | Quality sells itself |
| 23:34.30 | La_Tortuga | toresbe: Well, Lets face it everybody use windows |
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| 23:34.34 | toresbe | Wekkel: BULLSHIT. |
| 23:34.35 | La_Tortuga | Evrything is for Windows |
| 23:34.40 | hool | you can boot a fresh install wo haveing 3 trojans and 89 sploits at least ;) |
| 23:34.40 | Wekkel | and if LInux is that good, the succes will follow shortly |
| 23:34.45 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: No, they don't. |
| 23:34.48 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: I don't. |
| 23:34.53 | La_Tortuga | 99% do |
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| 23:35.02 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: My grandmother doesn't, my mother doesn't, my entire school doesn't. |
| 23:35.14 | Wekkel | Nevermind, but that's the way I think on this subject. Please mind me |
| 23:35.17 | openrealty | IT WORKED!!! Thanks Guys! |
| 23:35.18 | toresbe | Wekkel: Have you ever heard of a company named Norsk Data? |
| 23:35.20 | La_Tortuga | torsbe ther's like 6 billion ppl in the world |
| 23:35.23 | toresbe | openrealty: A pleasure :) |
| 23:35.30 | hool | when i was a wee lad hotmail used to run on FBSD and it used to actually worK ;) |
| 23:35.32 | Inf3cted_FX | Does anyone here know how to do that??? |
| 23:35.33 | gilles | What does "if" in ifconfig means ? |
| 23:35.34 | Inf3cted_FX | Does anyone here know how to do that??? |
| 23:35.37 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: And 5 mbillion of those have never even SEEN a computer. |
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| 23:35.42 | Wekkel | toresbe: no |
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| 23:35.47 | La_Tortuga | Ye i know |
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| 23:35.48 | La_Tortuga | :( |
| 23:35.54 | Echizen | gilles: interface |
| 23:35.58 | toresbe | Wekkel: I rest my case |
| 23:35.59 | La_Tortuga | But Windows is user friendly |
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| 23:36.07 | hool | so is a grenade |
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| 23:36.13 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: What's so user friendly about something that constantly crashes |
| 23:36.13 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: For varying values of "user friendly" yes. |
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| 23:36.21 | Wekkel | toresbe: nice argumentation |
| 23:36.24 | La_Tortuga | It dosn't constantly crash |
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| 23:36.32 | toresbe | Wekkel: Norsk Data was a company that made some of the most amazing computers the world has seen |
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| 23:36.34 | openrealty | I was trying to install a netgear m111 wifi dongle today on XP and now the computer restarts at the login screen and will just keep restarting |
| 23:36.35 | gilles | Echizen: okay, thanks |
| 23:36.41 | openrealty | whenever the dongle is in the USB |
| 23:36.42 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: My wife would disagree with you. Windows is CRAP for peop;le who've never used windows before. MacOS is by far a better design. |
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| 23:36.48 | hool | windows spawned the blowup computers for users to "relavae stress" upon.. |
| 23:36.52 | Wekkel | wow, I'm impressed. Is it relevant? no |
| 23:37.00 | hool | or in so many words.. Beat the crud out of :) |
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| 23:37.13 | toresbe | Wekkel: The point is, they went bankrupt in 1992. |
| 23:37.15 | La_Tortuga | Oh but now Window is the operativ system with programs |
| 23:37.16 | La_Tortuga | face it |
| 23:37.17 | Wekkel | and a crashing XP has a serious problem |
| 23:37.22 | Bazzel | umm... im havin problems installing debian on my laptop. i burned the netinst image onto cd and boot from it, but the opening screen is all cut up, and then when i start the install it scans a bunch of stuff, then goes to a black screen where it hangs... any ideas? |
| 23:37.31 | Xemacs | M# is a virus, not as OS !! |
| 23:37.32 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: ha. |
| 23:37.39 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: There are more quality apps for Linux then WIndows. |
| 23:37.39 | Wekkel | don't underestimate 'your' enemy |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | Bazzel: vga=771 ? |
| 23:37.45 | toresbe | Wekkel: Quality did not sell itself. |
| 23:37.46 | abrotman | Bazzel: #debian-boot |
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| 23:38.05 | Bazzel | ahh |
| 23:38.05 | Bazzel | thanks |
| 23:38.05 | La_Tortuga | Ahhh... Please |
| 23:38.06 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Don't make the mistake of counting 10,000 spyware tools as "apps". |
| 23:38.06 | Bazzel | will go to there then |
| 23:38.06 | hool | Xemacs, nah.. it's a malicous trojan couse it taps in to your CC and costs money |
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| 23:38.09 | La_Tortuga | Well, i hsouldn't say somthing my experience of debian is limited |
| 23:38.16 | openrealty | the only thing windows has going for it is its huge market share |
| 23:38.26 | Inf3cted_FX | Does anybody know hoe can I setup my GDM in order to use Enlightenment?? i just download it but I cant see it in the GDM |
| 23:38.29 | La_Tortuga | Kinda never got passed the gnome login |
| 23:38.34 | tarzeau | and the commercial game producers |
| 23:38.35 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: I have never ever, EVER - had Windows be able to do something that linux couldn't. |
| 23:38.36 | La_Tortuga | I have but then I diden't see much |
| 23:38.47 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: yeah it's broken, i suggest not using gdm, but startx |
| 23:38.51 | Wekkel | Bazzel: use Vesa command at startup? |
| 23:38.53 | La_Tortuga | I SAW THE RIGHT CORNER :@ |
| 23:38.55 | openrealty | toresbe: what about IE only websites |
| 23:38.56 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: what version? |
| 23:39.00 | cafuego | toresbe: I have, but that's coz Pantone is payware. |
| 23:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:39.01 | Jarn | The only thing Windows can't do that Linux can is run some games |
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| 23:39.02 | toresbe | openrealty: none. |
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| 23:39.08 | La_Tortuga | What about all games |
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| 23:39.13 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: no way |
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| 23:39.16 | Jarn | er |
| 23:39.18 | Jarn | wait |
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| 23:39.20 | Wekkel | only the speaker design programs make me use windows. Sorry for that |
| 23:39.20 | hool | windowsusers are fun-ee tho.. sets up warez sites with "Cracked RedHat iso!!!" and a hotlink to blah.edu/pub/dists/redhat/crud :) |
| 23:39.21 | Xemacs | Inf3cted_FX, restart gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm restart (as toor) |
| 23:39.21 | Jarn | got that backwards |
| 23:39.23 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
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| 23:39.29 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Most games run just fine under Linux with cedega. |
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| 23:39.30 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: well, some run on Windows, true. |
| 23:39.33 | La_Tortuga | Ï never se linux stuff on the shelfes |
| 23:39.34 | Inf3cted_FX | ok |
| 23:39.34 | Jarn | the only thing that windows can do that Linux can't is play some games |
| 23:39.41 | La_Tortuga | NEVER |
| 23:39.41 | openrealty | toresbe: I have to run IE on linux under crossover office to access our MLS web site for our real estate office |
| 23:39.45 | cafuego | ANd cedega is a lot cheaper then an XP license. |
| 23:39.45 | Jarn | and it's only some games that don't run on Linux |
| 23:39.47 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: But most run Cedega nicely |
| 23:40.28 | equnix | i installed linux 2.6, but /dev/dsp does not exist. custom kernel with alsa selected. the module is enabled, but i can't use the dsp device, what should i do? |
| 23:40.28 | toresbe | openrealty: seriously? |
| 23:40.28 | tarzeau | openrealty: your MLS web site SUCKS |
| 23:40.28 | toresbe | openrealty: what sites? |
| 23:40.28 | Wekkel | openrealty: I need IE for my Dutch online Bank services |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | openrealty: or you could fix the site |
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| 23:40.28 | hool | Jarn, if a game is available in linux just means it's good ;) |
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| 23:40.28 | Wekkel | crazy, but Firefox won't work |
| 23:40.28 | tarzeau | Wekkel: your Dutch online Bank sucks |
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| 23:40.28 | cafuego | Wekkel: Switch banks. Mine works fine in Firefox. |
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| 23:40.28 | Wekkel | hmm |
| 23:40.28 | La_Tortuga | What's so evil about microsoft |
| 23:40.28 | Xemacs | Wekkel, try www.opera.com |
| 23:40.28 | loke | what do you guys think the next best windows manager besides fluxbox is? |
| 23:40.31 | Wekkel | just had a nasty experience with my previous bank |
| 23:40.32 | hool | hey! i know him :) |
| 23:40.33 | dondelelcaro | loke: openbox |
| 23:40.34 | toresbe | loke: the GNOME one |
| 23:40.41 | tarzeau | the coca cola competition in switzerland also only runs with windows ie, flash 6 |
| 23:40.42 | openrealty | toresbe: YES MY MLS SUCKS SO MUCH it is one of the biggest roadblocks to linux desktops and laptops in our office since I am nervous abuot a non native solution |
| 23:40.44 | hool | well.. i spoken to fluxgren on irc tho.. |
| 23:40.47 | loke | dondelelcaro is openbox like flux? |
| 23:40.50 | Wekkel | Xemacs: will try opera, but isn't that quite the same as mozzila? |
| 23:40.51 | dondelelcaro | loke: yes. |
| 23:40.54 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: that they do stuff, that is not documented |
| 23:40.55 | La_Tortuga | Anyone her sitting on a windows |
| 23:40.57 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Their monopoly means I pay $200 per computer bought for a copy of WIndows I don't want and will never use. |
| 23:40.59 | loke | dondelelcaro better? |
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| 23:41.05 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: and force it on mass of people |
| 23:41.06 | dondelelcaro | loke: superior to flux in most aspects... |
| 23:41.06 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: They get richer and I get crap. |
| 23:41.14 | linux_newbie | am i correct that with mac on linux you run the whole OS X inside of linux? |
| 23:41.18 | hool | La_Tortuga, i am.. ran over my cd with the swivel chair.. |
| 23:41.18 | La_Tortuga | But coman |
| 23:41.18 | loke | dondelelcaro why? |
| 23:41.18 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: oh really |
| 23:41.19 | hool | isn' |
| 23:41.22 | dondelelcaro | linux_newbie: yes. |
| 23:41.22 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: like what? |
| 23:41.22 | linux_newbie | i just need it to run one program |
| 23:41.26 | hool | t installed or anytning tho ;) |
| 23:41.30 | tarzeau | cafuego: can you get an apple mac without os? or a sun sparc machine without? |
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| 23:41.36 | La_Tortuga | Then we could say all commercial stuff is evil |
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| 23:41.43 | abrotman | linux_newbie: ask #debianppc |
| 23:41.43 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: like the fact that it actually has new development happening instead of just taking code written for openbox and incorporated into fluxbox |
| 23:41.44 | tarzeau | linux_newbie: yes, #debianppc |
| 23:41.44 | toresbe | tarzeau: Solaris is free |
| 23:41.45 | La_Tortuga | NO MORE EXPENSIVE CARS ONLY FREE ONES |
| 23:41.49 | tarzeau | toresbe: no it's not |
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| 23:41.50 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: If windows was really so good, it would sell itself, it wouldn't NEED to be forced on people by way of contracts with computer manufacturers. |
| 23:41.55 | TummyAcid | help me! after installing grub my laptop no longer boots from cd. any suggestions? |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | La_Tortuga: sounds good to me :) |
| 23:41.59 | toresbe | tarzeau: the support contracts might not be |
| 23:42.06 | tarzeau | toresbe: it's gratis, yes. but it depends on the number of cpus, and the machine really |
| 23:42.06 | lee | how would you exclude downloading images when using wget? |
| 23:42.12 | toresbe | tarzeau: oh, I see |
| 23:42.16 | loke | dondelelcaro why is it superior? |
| 23:42.16 | oogy | companies are free to choose what operating systems they like |
| 23:42.18 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: although, I suppose that has changed recently, and people are developing for fluxbox again |
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| 23:42.20 | La_Tortuga | BUT that's the way world works |
| 23:42.20 | oogy | if they wish to migrate, so be it |
| 23:42.24 | oogy | if they dont wish to |
| 23:42.26 | openrealty | La_Tortuga: paying for software is different than paying for a car |
| 23:42.27 | oogy | then so be it |
| 23:42.29 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: yeah, it had a stagnation period |
| 23:42.32 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: you can't copy cars at home |
| 23:42.37 | La_Tortuga | why dosn't the car manufactures make hydrogen cars |
| 23:42.38 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: So? Then the world needs to change. |
| 23:42.41 | Bazzel | ok, nobody is answering in #debian-boot... so... umm... im havin problems installing debian on my laptop. i burned the netinst image onto cd and boot from it, but the opening screen is all cut up, and then when i start the install it scans a bunch of stuff, then goes to a black screen where it hangs... any ideas? |
| 23:42.42 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: but software, without giving the producer/licensor any cost |
| 23:42.47 | dondelelcaro | loke: try it. If you like it, use it. If you don't, don't. |
| 23:42.48 | La_Tortuga | they would be good for the enviroment |
| 23:42.48 | hool | Wekkel, hey .. behave or we'll tell Bill you have a "spawned" XP key ;P |
| 23:42.49 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: is that so hard to grasp? |
| 23:42.58 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: because it's a bloody immature technology |
| 23:43.05 | cafuego | tarzeau: If you had the right tools, you COULD copy a car at home, actually. |
| 23:43.12 | toresbe | cafuego: false |
| 23:43.17 | La_Tortuga | I would like to se computers being sold with Linux |
| 23:43.17 | cafuego | tarzeau: it would be an interesting excercise. |
| 23:43.19 | La_Tortuga | I realy would |
| 23:43.20 | tarzeau | cafuego: mass copy? |
| 23:43.23 | toresbe | cafuego: raw materials don't magically appear |
| 23:43.26 | hool | La_Tortuga, there are.. |
| 23:43.28 | tarzeau | cafuego: would you be allowed to? |
| 23:43.33 | lee | anyone want to talk about debian, or mabye even branch out to linux in general? |
| 23:43.35 | cafuego | tarzeau: Neither do blank cdr's *duh* |
| 23:43.36 | openrealty | La_Tortuga: wal mart does |
| 23:43.39 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: sure, but you can purchase those raw materials pretty cheaply |
| 23:43.39 | hool | any fool can build a car.. it's not hard |
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| 23:43.48 | hool | if you can read :D |
| 23:43.57 | dondelelcaro | hool: from scratch? it's not as simple as it seems |
| 23:44.04 | openrealty | we need replicator technology |
| 23:44.06 | tarzeau | actually car copying would only be possible for people who not live on floors > 2 |
| 23:44.07 | La_Tortuga | no it's not |
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| 23:44.14 | Wekkel | hool: Nice, SP2 already forced me to perform a 'REtestrak" unattended install ;) |
| 23:44.15 | toresbe | tarzeau: hehe |
| 23:44.17 | La_Tortuga | and you probablt get a scrap heap |
| 23:44.19 | tarzeau | hool: you show me! |
| 23:44.21 | Wekkel | Bazzel: use Vesa argument at boot? |
| 23:44.24 | hool | dondelelcaro, well you can hit up certain companies here and they'll mail you a PC with pre installed Debian or such |
| 23:44.32 | cafuego | The only problem would be the custom software that runs the electrical systems. |
| 23:44.43 | La_Tortuga | Wish I could show you my debian problem |
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| 23:44.44 | dondelelcaro | hool: oh, sure. You pay me, I'll install one for you and ship it. |
| 23:44.52 | Inf3cted_FX | Well didn't work... |
| 23:44.53 | La_Tortuga | I could have done that on MSN you know |
| 23:44.57 | Wekkel | La_Tortuga: screenshot? |
| 23:44.57 | openrealty | with replicators engineers would make hardware revisions like we make software revisions |
| 23:44.58 | Inf3cted_FX | I have the same problem |
| 23:45.01 | La_Tortuga | well |
| 23:45.02 | Wekkel | hmmm |
| 23:45.06 | La_Tortuga | I can't post screenshots |
| 23:45.06 | cafuego | The issue is: would a car manufacturer use you if you copied their latest model car in your home workshop and sold it to someone at half price. |
| 23:45.06 | Wekkel | I use Gaim under xp |
| 23:45.07 | openrealty | imagine CVS for a warp reactor |
| 23:45.12 | Wekkel | ;) |
| 23:45.12 | Ikarus | tarzeau: I bet he is not a fool |
| 23:45.12 | hool | hey! im not lying.. they're a linux shop.. sell you cd's, tux plushys and hardware.. |
| 23:45.13 | cafuego | s/use/sue/ |
| 23:45.16 | Wekkel | imageshack.us? |
| 23:45.18 | cafuego | stupid autocorrect |
| 23:45.19 | hool | if you like they'll send you the comp turnkey |
| 23:45.21 | _rene_ | Wekkel: wrong channel :) |
| 23:45.28 | La_Tortuga | remote assistance or remote help |
| 23:45.34 | La_Tortuga | Dunno the name in english |
| 23:45.36 | La_Tortuga | I am a swede |
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| 23:45.41 | Ikarus | cafuego: they might actually use you, if you can produce a car cheaper then they can :P |
| 23:45.46 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Svenskefaen :) |
| 23:46.00 | Wekkel | _rene_: vmware idiot with a PIII500 to spare is good enough |
| 23:46.02 | La_Tortuga | There are linux shops |
| 23:46.12 | _rene_ | still wrong channel |
| 23:46.15 | openrealty | la_tortuga go to fsf.org and read their philosophy section so you can dig the righteousness of linux |
| 23:46.16 | Inf3cted_FX | people.. i download the enlightenment enviroment using apt-get.. but when I try to start usining I can't choose it how can i fix it? |
| 23:46.23 | La_Tortuga | Most ppl don't know what linux is lol |
| 23:46.25 | Wekkel | _rene_: problems remain the same |
| 23:46.28 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: false |
| 23:46.37 | Inf3cted_FX | I reset the gdm |
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| 23:46.42 | Inf3cted_FX | but didn't work |
| 23:46.45 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Here in Norway, most people know what Linux is |
| 23:46.46 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Most people also don't know what Windows is, so that's fine. |
| 23:46.48 | Wekkel | Inf3cted_FX: what are the error messages? |
| 23:46.51 | lee | anyone? |
| 23:46.57 | La_Tortuga | Well ask somone in a school if they know what a operativ system is |
| 23:47.14 | La_Tortuga | ye i know |
| 23:47.19 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Why limit oneself to such a small percentage of the world population? |
| 23:47.24 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: And I'm serious, i get stopped on the street by fucking 50-year-olds and upwards asking me questions about Skolelinux |
| 23:47.25 | La_Tortuga | :p |
| 23:47.28 | fors | La_Tortuga: most of them in my class knows what that is =P |
| 23:47.33 | La_Tortuga | KOOL |
| 23:47.36 | La_Tortuga | that's kool |
| 23:47.39 | Inf3cted_FX | there is no error message.. the think is i install it using the apt-get install, so i'm using GDM when I try ti choose the session there is not enlightenment eviroment.. just KDE and GNOME |
| 23:47.39 | raid5 | motif gui or gtk gui better? |
| 23:47.41 | La_Tortuga | :D |
| 23:47.42 | lee | how would you exclude downloading images when using wget? please? |
| 23:47.45 | fors | La_Tortuga: yeah |
| 23:47.46 | La_Tortuga | Then I take it back |
| 23:47.46 | tarzeau | raid5: gnustep gui |
| 23:47.52 | Inf3cted_FX | Wekkel: did u read it? |
| 23:47.57 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: Skolelinux has been on the news four times now or something |
| 23:48.00 | La_Tortuga | It would be cool if they started selling Linux |
| 23:48.02 | tarzeau | raid5: motif is not free. but if you mean lesstif, it's still ugly |
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| 23:48.08 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: and in the papers more times than I can count |
| 23:48.14 | hool | La_Tortuga, ey svenne! what |
| 23:48.16 | pestilence | lee: man wget |
| 23:48.17 | hool | 's your home 20? |
| 23:48.18 | raid5 | ic |
| 23:48.24 | loke | dondelelcaro how do i change the backround in open box? |
| 23:48.28 | raid5 | im downloading Azureus_2.2.0.2_linux.GTK.tar.bz2 |
| 23:48.31 | raid5 | anyone using that? |
| 23:48.32 | lee | pestilence: i didn't couldn't find anything |
| 23:48.33 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: if you can understand Norwegian I have an URL for you :P |
| 23:48.35 | La_Tortuga | Startyed selling linux on a finished comps i mean |
| 23:48.37 | Ringo999 | abrotman: ok when running "/etc/init.d/gmd restart" i get an error message saying the xserver could not be staret |
| 23:48.39 | raid5 | i wonder if the have GTK2 gui |
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| 23:48.44 | La_Tortuga | so you got it preinstalled |
| 23:48.52 | dondelelcaro | loke: xsetbg |
| 23:48.54 | cafuego | Norwegian is easy. Finnish is hard. |
| 23:48.58 | Wekkel | Inf3cted_FX: yes, but I do not have a further answer, sorry |
| 23:49.00 | TummyAcid | i dont understand, i installed GRUB and now i cant boot from the cd i installed GRUB from, it wont boot for ANY cds |
| 23:49.03 | Wekkel | just fishing for the problem |
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| 23:49.07 | hool | there is a easy way to remove windows tho.. fdisk |
| 23:49.08 | abrotman | Ringo999: why not? |
| 23:49.10 | La_Tortuga | Finish has nothing to do with norwegian |
| 23:49.11 | Inf3cted_FX | ok Wekkel |
| 23:49.22 | La_Tortuga | But some finish ppl talk swedish |
| 23:49.23 | hool | Finnish is not even on the same language tree.. |
| 23:49.25 | loke | dondelelcaro i have to install xsetbg? |
| 23:49.27 | Inf3cted_FX | does anyone else know the answer? |
| 23:49.28 | La_Tortuga | That is simelar to norwegian |
| 23:49.37 | La_Tortuga | I talk swedish and english |
| 23:49.41 | pestilence | lee: check out -R |
| 23:49.47 | La_Tortuga | And uderstand nome norwegian and danish |
| 23:49.58 | Inf3cted_FX | there is no error message.. the think is i install it using the apt-get install, so i'm using GDM when I try ti choose the session there is not enlightenment eviroment.. just KDE and GNOME |
| 23:50.00 | La_Tortuga | SOME |
| 23:50.03 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: i don believ yo talk enlis |
| 23:50.03 | hool | We used to own norway to 1905 when some dumbass let them vote for independence :( which sucked they found oil not too l ong after that |
| 23:50.09 | Vyrus001 | has anybody here sucsessfuly compiled the libdbi driver for c++ ? i have tried evry comnination of ./configure --with-myswl commands and nothing works... |
| 23:50.17 | Wekkel | Perhaps there is a standard way of starting enlightment? |
| 23:50.26 | La_Tortuga | hool: where are u from |
| 23:50.31 | Wekkel | have you scourched the X config files? |
| 23:50.31 | tarzeau | Inf3cted_FX: you want something else than KDE and GNOME? |
| 23:50.31 | openrealty | cfdisk says disc not found |
| 23:50.36 | hool | La_Tortuga, Umeå :P |
| 23:50.37 | Inf3cted_FX | yes tarzeau |
| 23:50.39 | La_Tortuga | :p |
| 23:50.40 | loke | dondelelcaro how do change the menu? |
| 23:50.40 | La_Tortuga | Hej |
| 23:50.47 | KimHansen | hool: Hey, you only had Norway because you stole it from us :) |
| 23:50.51 | loke | dondelelcaro actually where is openbox's menu file? |
| 23:50.51 | Inf3cted_FX | i donwload Enlightenment |
| 23:50.52 | tarzeau | Inf3cted_FX: apt-get install gnustep wmaker gnustep-devel |
| 23:50.53 | Echizen | i just upgraded from apache 1 to apache 2. for some reason it's not running on the right port. i have it set for 8080 in the config, but for some reason it's running on 80. i restarted it several times. whats the deal? |
| 23:50.57 | Ringo999 | abrotman: here is the specific error code: Xserver not found: "/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt?" Error: Copmmand could not be executed! please instell teh X Server or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf to point to the right place" |
| 23:50.58 | La_Tortuga | In the north... |
| 23:51.01 | La_Tortuga | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:51.07 | hool | KimHansen, we didn't steal it.. you got drunk and gave it to us :P |
| 23:51.07 | La_Tortuga | cavemen.... |
| 23:51.16 | Inf3cted_FX | tarzeau: i download the enlightenment already |
| 23:51.24 | Inf3cted_FX | but i cant start using it |
| 23:51.28 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: http://elzapp.com/FBI-linux.mpeg |
| 23:51.28 | openrealty | I have a / partition of 7 gig and a swap of 2.7 gig and 65 or so gig unpartitioned whats the best way to partition and set up LVM so I can create seperate /var and /home and /tmp lvms? |
| 23:51.31 | La_Tortuga | We should start celebrate the 6 junly when we got rid of u |
| 23:51.34 | Inf3cted_FX | i use GDM |
| 23:51.38 | dondelelcaro | loke: ~/.config/openbox/menu.xml; assuming that's where your ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml points at |
| 23:51.41 | tarzeau | Inf3cted_FX: #e |
| 23:51.42 | La_Tortuga | Or what date is it |
| 23:51.52 | La_Tortuga | när är norges nationaldag? |
| 23:51.54 | hool | nowweigans have their own oil.. still they pay over a dollar per liter :P |
| 23:51.55 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: wget tjat |
| 23:51.58 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: wget that* |
| 23:52.04 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: 17th may |
| 23:52.07 | hool | they tax themselves back to the stone age :D |
| 23:52.10 | cafuego | openrealty: All on one disk? Why use lvm? |
| 23:52.14 | La_Tortuga | 17th may... |
| 23:52.15 | openrealty | hool: Oil should be expensive so we dont use as much |
| 23:52.23 | La_Tortuga | We don't need the oil |
| 23:52.32 | La_Tortuga | We can make it on our own |
| 23:52.34 | Inf3cted_FX | tarzeau: what do u mean whti #e.. a room? |
| 23:52.36 | hool | openrealty, maybe in california.. here you need fuel.. |
| 23:52.37 | openrealty | cafuego: yes all one one SCSI disk I am setting up a webserver |
| 23:52.41 | tarzeau | Inf3cted_FX: no a channel |
| 23:52.42 | toresbe | hool: for gas we pay a dollar fifty |
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| 23:52.49 | Inf3cted_FX | i'm there |
| 23:52.50 | La_Tortuga | whispers: actully no... but we don't admit that |
| 23:52.55 | hool | per gallon yes? |
| 23:52.57 | cafuego | openrealty: I wouldn't worry about LVM then. |
| 23:53.01 | toresbe | hool: liter |
| 23:53.08 | hool | toresbe, hahahaha |
| 23:53.12 | La_Tortuga | Gas=expensive |
| 23:53.16 | hool | we pay 1.2 :( |
| 23:53.17 | La_Tortuga | HYDROGEN CARS! |
| 23:53.19 | toresbe | hool: Which is a good reason to use your feet and get of your lazy ass :P |
| 23:53.20 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: per gallon these days? |
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| 23:53.26 | hool | bleeding green naztis >:( |
| 23:53.28 | openrealty | hool: no doubt you need oil for important stuff like heat and food production we should tax unescessary oil because it is running out |
| 23:53.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: $2 or so, iirc. |
| 23:53.33 | cafuego | hool: On the plus side, when you pay that much for fuel, you get better air to breather. |
| 23:53.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's not much worse than here |
| 23:53.40 | tarzeau | Inf3cted_FX: it doesn't look like a sink or tree with a floating eye, does it? |
| 23:53.49 | toresbe | I am growing a tummy |
| 23:53.50 | Ringo999 | abrotman: what do i do? |
| 23:53.52 | toresbe | this is not good |
| 23:53.55 | gilles | the file transfer doesn't work with xchat ? |
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| 23:53.57 | tarzeau | i mean if this was #nethack okay... |
| 23:53.59 | toresbe | I may have to start going on walks |
| 23:54.05 | La_Tortuga | They should start selling hydrogen cars |
| 23:54.06 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it's always slighlty more expensive than the rest of the states, because we have higher standards for gasoline here... but it's generally about the same |
| 23:54.11 | cafuego | it of course also helps that the norwegian goverment didn't illegally invade iraq because they wanted cheap oil. |
| 23:54.12 | hool | cafuego, there's no public transport, stuff is miles away.. and the bleednig greenies makes it so i can't afford to go to work :( |
| 23:54.13 | La_Tortuga | That would rock hydrogen gas satations |
| 23:54.16 | openrealty | cafuego: if /home and /var are already mounted on /dev/sda1 how can I switch to new /var and /home |
| 23:54.19 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: will you stop with the fucking hydrogen car thing |
| 23:54.26 | Inf3cted_FX | no tarzeau |
| 23:54.29 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: it's an immature technology |
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| 23:54.37 | cafuego | hool: Fuel taxes can pay for public transport. |
| 23:54.39 | La_Tortuga | torsbe: you want gas cars? |
| 23:54.44 | hool | cafuego, no they can't |
| 23:54.44 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer xcwvoirtpoxdkmwe |
| 23:54.44 | dpkg | 'xcwvoirtpoxdkmwe' is 0.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 23:54.54 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: no, I want hydrogen cars |
| 23:54.58 | La_Tortuga | :D |
| 23:54.59 | cafuego | hool: Seems to have worked fine in holland for years. |
| 23:55.09 | hool | cafuego, i dont live in holland.. |
| 23:55.13 | tarzeau | i want cars where i don't hit my head at the roof on the backseat |
| 23:55.14 | openrealty | hydrogen isnt an energy source just a form of energy |
| 23:55.17 | La_Tortuga | what has worked fine? |
| 23:55.22 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: depends upon the area though... some parts of the planet just don't work well with public transportation |
| 23:55.22 | toresbe | tarzeau: get shorter :P |
| 23:55.24 | openrealty | it takes a lot of energy to produce hydrogen |
| 23:55.24 | La_Tortuga | hydrogen is a gas |
| 23:55.24 | hool | i live in sweden.. where diesel freezes over and you can hide a bus in the snow |
| 23:55.26 | cafuego | tarzeau: Try a convertible. |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you should check the prices in like .. chicago |
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| 23:55.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I have |
| 23:55.39 | La_Tortuga | DON*T LISTEN TO HOOL |
| 23:55.39 | hool | you need a car.. |
| 23:55.43 | Ringo999 | abrotman: ? |
| 23:55.46 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: downloaded yet? |
| 23:55.50 | La_Tortuga | THAT'S IN NORTHEN SWEDEN |
| 23:55.56 | cafuego | hool: Did the swedes vote against joining the EU? |
| 23:55.56 | La_Tortuga | In umå wher he live |
| 23:55.59 | hool | La_Tortuga, bloody 08 :P |
| 23:56.05 | La_Tortuga | :p |
| 23:56.05 | La_Tortuga | 031 |
| 23:56.11 | dondelelcaro | La_Tortuga: lay off the caps, please. |
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| 23:56.19 | La_Tortuga | dondel: okay |
| 23:56.23 | hool | La_Tortuga, why didn't you say so? hell i like gothenburg :) |
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| 23:56.25 | La_Tortuga | I am from gothenburg |
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| 23:56.29 | La_Tortuga | ye |
| 23:56.34 | *** mode/#debian [+J 25,10] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:56.35 | La_Tortuga | Only rain in the winters |
| 23:56.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:56.37 | La_Tortuga | no snow |
| 23:56.38 | abrotman | Ringo999: ? |
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| 23:56.44 | hool | bloody panzies from the capitol gets buried in the snow ;) |
| 23:56.51 | cafuego | yellow snow? |
| 23:56.56 | La_Tortuga | ... |
| 23:56.58 | Ringo999 | abrotman: scroll up plz. i wrote the error message |
| 23:57.02 | hool | cafuego, well.. gonna need som beer for that tho |
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| 23:57.22 | abrotman | Ringo999: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:57.29 | tarzeau | Ringo999: add -core |
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| 23:57.48 | dvs | stupid snow |
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| 23:57.58 | hool | hmm.. i think my harddrive is dying on me |
| 23:58.07 | La_Tortuga | is there anywher i can put up a screenshot of my problem so you can look |
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| 23:58.15 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 23:58.18 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: in /var/www ? |
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| 23:58.22 | cafuego | must be the diesel fumes |
| 23:58.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: he's having enough problems as it is :) |
| 23:58.32 | hool | gee.. i got a $150 tax bill for a tax i allready paid and they decided to raise it and do it so you have to pay even more |
| 23:58.39 | La_Tortuga | yes... don't get any idea of me hosting it |
| 23:58.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: i promise you he'll have a hard time getting rid of *dm |
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| 23:58.53 | cafuego | !lart hool |
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| 23:58.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: he wants gdm |
| 23:59.03 | La_Tortuga | I want |
| 23:59.06 | tarzeau | La_Tortuga: want a gmail account where you publish the user/password ? |
| 23:59.14 | cafuego | Come back to complain after you've run a small company in the australian tax system for 8 years |
| 23:59.14 | idnar | heh |
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| 23:59.22 | La_Tortuga | :p |
| 23:59.26 | hool | La_Tortuga, offcoarse you dont.. you being on crummy dsl ;P |
| 23:59.28 | abrotman | cafuego: who would do such a crazy thing? |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | of course |
| 23:59.35 | La_Tortuga | :p |
| 23:59.37 | La_Tortuga | DSL |
| 23:59.39 | La_Tortuga | ye... |
| 23:59.41 | La_Tortuga | ADSL |
| 23:59.57 | La_Tortuga | telia expensive telia |
