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| 00:00.02 | hool | cafuego, at least you dont have to use ether and a blowtourch to get the engines to turn over ;) |
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| 00:00.06 | La_Tortuga | Won't let glocalnet in |
| 00:00.18 | cafuego | abrotman: People who don't like to get up at 7, have a shower, have breakfast, go to work (be stuck in traffic for an hour), work until 4:30, get in car, be stuck in traffic for 2 hours, have dinner, watch footy, go to bed... |
| 00:00.34 | hool | cafuego, hey.. my bro tought me a song after he got back from .au.. "what's the color of a 2 cent peice, copper! copper!" |
| 00:00.35 | hool | hehe |
| 00:00.39 | toresbe | !kde3.4 |
| 00:00.46 | abrotman | cafuego: footy is soccer/football? |
| 00:00.56 | La_Tortuga | Give me alink to some wher that can host a screenshot |
| 00:00.59 | La_Tortuga | a forum... |
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| 00:01.04 | hool | La_Tortuga, why not? can't do you any worse than telia ;D |
| 00:01.10 | Eagle101 | help. Does anyone have any apt-get source for all the latest updates for gnome...? |
| 00:01.11 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: have you downloaded the vid yet? >:| |
| 00:01.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Depending on where you are it's "Australian Rules Football", "Rugby", or "Soccer". |
| 00:01.18 | Mr|Dave | is there any easy way to disable a lot of useless (for me) kernel stuff. like the floppy driver? |
| 00:01.21 | La_Tortuga | Can't get glocalnet her |
| 00:01.24 | abrotman | Eagle101: the latest gnome release is in sarge and sid |
| 00:01.30 | La_Tortuga | My friends been wating for it to work |
| 00:01.33 | hool | hmm.. NFL isn't s*t to the .au rugby :) |
| 00:01.35 | abrotman | cafuego: oh .. not soccer .. as in FIFA soccer |
| 00:01.35 | La_Tortuga | Hasn't yet |
| 00:01.37 | cafuego | abrotman: Traditionally it was aussie rules football, but the rugby people have stolen the name. |
| 00:01.42 | La_Tortuga | Telia bitching with em' |
| 00:01.45 | hool | padding and guards etc are for sissies ;) |
| 00:01.51 | abrotman | La_Tortuga: stop bitching |
| 00:01.54 | cafuego | abrotman: No, that's "football" now, not footy. |
| 00:01.57 | La_Tortuga | :... |
| 00:02.00 | abrotman | cafuego: heh |
| 00:02.01 | La_Tortuga | sorry |
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| 00:02.22 | hool | hehehe.. can you belive we have an american football team here.. Umeå Huskies |
| 00:02.24 | La_Tortuga | Isn't there host forums for IRC? |
| 00:02.24 | cafuego | fitting, as in rugby they DON'T USE THEIR FEET TO HIT THE BALL! |
| 00:02.29 | hool | and a baseball team |
| 00:02.35 | La_Tortuga | hehe |
| 00:02.41 | cafuego | hool: There are misguided retards everywhere. |
| 00:02.41 | Eagle101 | abrotman: yea, but there should be some apt source dedicated only to gnome, i have already found one for kde...;) |
| 00:02.43 | La_Tortuga | socker u play insweden |
| 00:02.48 | La_Tortuga | booring |
| 00:02.55 | cafuego | see my rugby remark for clarification. |
| 00:02.56 | La_Tortuga | only extreme sports is fun |
| 00:02.57 | tarzeau | Eagle101: that's bad |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | Eagle101: that's because kde people have gentooitis |
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| 00:03.07 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Cricket is the best. |
| 00:03.08 | idnar | wtf? where on earth is Rugby called "footy"? |
| 00:03.09 | hool | cafuego, yeah.. australia seems like a nice place.. |
| 00:03.10 | cliechti | what is "famd" good for? it is locking directories preventing an "umount" from time to time... |
| 00:03.12 | abrotman | and they think every release of kde will be better .. but it's not |
| 00:03.16 | abrotman | it's just farking bad |
| 00:03.24 | hool | and unlike america you can actually drink the beer in .au :D |
| 00:03.24 | abrotman | cliechti: apt-cache show fam |
| 00:03.28 | La_Tortuga | Cricket isn't that a english posh sport? |
| 00:03.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: is gnome any different? |
| 00:03.37 | cafuego | You sit on your arse for 3 days drinking beer and eating. |
| 00:03.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: well .. 2.8 is better by leaps and bounds over 2.0 |
| 00:03.44 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: posh? ha! |
| 00:03.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: both in speed and usability |
| 00:03.57 | idnar | cliechti: it's typically used by stuff like file managers (eg. Nautilus) to update themselves in real-time without expensive polling |
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| 00:04.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: IMO anyway |
| 00:04.24 | Eagle101 | tarzeau: you should really check out gnome 2.8, its far better then previous versions |
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| 00:04.28 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Cricket isn't posh. Also, australia always wins, england always loses. |
| 00:04.49 | tarzeau | Eagle101: i did, and it didn't suffice my level of needs/consistency/quality/beauty |
| 00:04.53 | karsten | Galeon 1.3.18: can't right or middle-click on links, or middle-click paste URLs on page. Right/middle click works elsewhere (eg: Firefox, rxvt). Anyone else? |
| 00:04.54 | hool | you need to be on drugs to watch that cricket tho |
| 00:04.56 | La_Tortuga | Sorry guys, I'll be away for some minutes |
| 00:05.02 | christor | Please I m trying to install debian on a pc with 2 network card ( 1 wifi and 1 eth nforce). Is the network nforce card are detected ath the installation? |
| 00:05.05 | La_Tortuga | trying to find a place to host the pic |
| 00:05.11 | toresbe | La_Tortuga: we do not mind' |
| 00:05.12 | hool | La_Tortuga, make me a macka too |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | !kill nvidia |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | fitting death |
| 00:05.26 | Eagle101 | tarzeau: so what do you use now then? |
| 00:05.27 | cliechti | ok, but what can i do that fam does not lock directories when no other application accesses a file in it.. |
| 00:05.27 | La_Tortuga | torsbe: :@ |
| 00:05.27 | toresbe | whatt balls? |
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| 00:05.35 | tarzeau | Eagle101: livecd.gnustep.org |
| 00:05.37 | tzafrir_home | hi, I've changed my email address. Is there a way to "change my email" on bugs.debian.org like I can on bugzilla? |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | cliechti: uninstall it |
| 00:05.44 | tarzeau | Eagle101: gnustep wmaker gnustep-devel gnustep-games |
| 00:06.23 | abrotman | Eagle101: anyways .. afaik .. there is no apt source for gnome development releases .. 2.8.2 was the last official release .. and it's in sarge and unstable |
| 00:06.25 | hool | ow! hmm.. X crashed.. bad |
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| 00:06.57 | Eagle101 | abrotman: yup, was just wondering if there is any apt source for gnome dev., its ok though, |
| 00:06.59 | toresbe | hool: no, X crashing is good |
| 00:07.11 | toresbe | hool: frees up a lot of memory in my experience |
| 00:07.11 | abrotman | Eagle101: not that i'm aware .. try asking #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 00:07.35 | cliechti | abrotman, hehe, the radical aproach. i guess nautilus won't update the icons then.. |
| 00:07.36 | hool | toresbe, yeah.. but i was looking forward to it letting me atleast install if before crashin on me :( |
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| 00:08.06 | toresbe | install what? |
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| 00:08.20 | hool | toresbe, X |
| 00:08.22 | abrotman | cliechti: dunno . i uninstalled it because i have no need for it i guess |
| 00:08.42 | hool | hehe.. 12F now |
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| 00:08.44 | toresbe | uhhh...oh...kay... |
| 00:08.46 | hool | pitch black outside |
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| 00:08.52 | hool | i need coffe |
| 00:09.08 | toresbe | hool: you need an 'e', too |
| 00:09.09 | loke | dondelelcaro whats the shortcut to go to different desktops? |
| 00:09.37 | cafuego | They use F in sweden? How wrong are THEY?! |
| 00:09.39 | dondelelcaro | loke: I don't know what the default is. I have mine set to M-F{1,12} |
| 00:09.40 | hool | toresbe, hmm.. i had my hands down to my elbows in thinner today.. dont need no other drugs :) |
| 00:09.42 | Jarn | I feel stupid |
| 00:09.51 | Jarn | the thing I'm installing asked me to insert debian disk 5 and I put in disk 4 |
| 00:09.54 | abrotman | !smarten Jarn |
| 00:10.00 | loke | dondelelcaro how do you set it? |
| 00:10.06 | hool | cafuego, we use Celsius.. but noone understands that :( |
| 00:10.08 | loke | dondelelcaro which file |
| 00:10.09 | toresbe | hool: the letter e :P |
| 00:10.10 | hool | so you havta use F |
| 00:10.17 | toresbe | hool: you misspelled "coffee" |
| 00:10.17 | hool | toresbe, oh.. |
| 00:10.25 | loke | dondelelcaro the images seem more crips to me in openbox |
| 00:10.30 | cafuego | hool: Any civilised person understands Celsius. So what is it in celsius? |
| 00:10.31 | dondelelcaro | loke: <keybind key="A-F1"><action name="Desktop"><desktop>1</desktop></action></keybind> |
| 00:10.38 | hool | toresbe, well.. you got what i ment so i saved some ware on my keyb ;) |
| 00:10.41 | loke | dondelelcaro in the menu.xml? |
| 00:10.46 | dondelelcaro | loke: in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 00:10.50 | hool | cafuego, -11C |
| 00:10.54 | cafuego | Nice. |
| 00:11.02 | cafuego | it's cold here too. 21.3C |
| 00:11.03 | Eagle101 | tarzeau: i dont see any beauty in GNU Step |
| 00:11.05 | hool | my personal record is -45 |
| 00:11.06 | hool | C |
| 00:11.22 | seberino_ | ever converted M$ outlook emails to postfix? |
| 00:11.22 | dondelelcaro | at that temp, there's no point in distinguishing between F and C |
| 00:11.25 | loke | dondelelcaro thanks |
| 00:11.28 | abrotman | hool: you live in WI? |
| 00:11.29 | tarzeau | Eagle101: your x isn't gamma calibrated |
| 00:11.42 | cafuego | That was also a record jetlag. |
| 00:11.43 | nvz | its probably colder than 21C in texas right now |
| 00:11.45 | tarzeau | Eagle101: and usually beauty is inside (you feel it), not outside (you are blind!) |
| 00:11.47 | hool | heh.. my brother came back from australia.. he wore a thin jacket, white khakis and no socks! was -22 at the airport when i picked him up |
| 00:11.55 | hool | blown a fuse in the heater too so the car was cold :D |
| 00:12.16 | hool | abrotman, nah.. northern sweden |
| 00:12.20 | abrotman | ack! |
| 00:12.22 | seberino_ | ever converted M$ outlook emails to postfix?+ |
| 00:12.24 | cafuego | seberino_: postfix isn't a mail format. |
| 00:12.32 | seberino_ | cafuego: maildir then |
| 00:12.37 | seberino_ | cafuego: or mbox |
| 00:12.39 | hool | same lat as hudson bay.. north shore :) |
| 00:12.41 | abrotman | part of my family is from norway .. i have no interest in visiting :) |
| 00:12.42 | loke | dondelelcaro does tranparency/eterm work in openbox? |
| 00:12.49 | cafuego | seberino_: which it is? mbox or maildir? |
| 00:12.49 | dondelelcaro | loke: eterm isn't transparency |
| 00:12.53 | dondelelcaro | loke: but yes, it does. |
| 00:12.55 | hool | abrotman, norway is nice.. if you're rhich.. |
| 00:12.58 | seberino_ | cafuego: is either possible? |
| 00:13.00 | tarzeau | i know how you can make eterm invisible! |
| 00:13.01 | loke | dondelelcaro eterm w/trans |
| 00:13.04 | hool | coke cost you a dollar |
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| 00:13.09 | routerdog | abrotman hey norway's cool :)~ |
| 00:13.09 | hool | and you get a .33 |
| 00:13.13 | abrotman | hool: is that all? |
| 00:13.17 | toresbe | norway is literally cool |
| 00:13.20 | abrotman | routerdog: never been there |
| 00:13.21 | cafuego | seberino_: outlook -> Outlook Express -> Mozilla -> Imap to mbox|maildir. |
| 00:13.32 | nvz | its about 5C in Lake Dallas right now |
| 00:13.45 | toresbe | coke is cheap nowadays |
| 00:13.46 | abrotman | hool: you pay $1.30USD or so here .. and get 1liter iirc |
| 00:13.50 | toresbe | crazy competition |
| 00:13.51 | hool | let's put it this way.. a clunker that'll cost you 40k in sweden will run you 80k in norway.. |
| 00:14.07 | routerdog | Well most people goto France or somewhere this part of the year |
| 00:14.09 | seberino_ | cafuego: thanks, |
| 00:14.12 | hool | norweigan goverment charges you 5000nok for the change of owership paperwork |
| 00:14.14 | cafuego | Sun's out. 21.7 now. |
| 00:14.19 | toresbe | right above a dollar twenty for liter point five |
| 00:14.30 | hool | abrotman, this would be a 0.33l |
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| 00:14.44 | loke | dondelelcaro tranparency is not working for me |
| 00:14.51 | toresbe | a 0.33l costs as much as a 1.5 liter :D |
| 00:14.51 | abrotman | hool: so you pay less than us? |
| 00:14.54 | loke | dondelelcaro im doing Eterm -O |
| 00:15.01 | seberino_ | cafuego: how convert outlook to mozilla? |
| 00:15.05 | cafuego | Going for a nice 37 on wednesday, though. |
| 00:15.08 | Jarn | ooo |
| 00:15.11 | dondelelcaro | loke: again, eterm doesn't do transparency. It does something it calls "transparency" which is just copying the background, and displaying it in the background of the term. |
| 00:15.13 | Jarn | this is an awesome file manager |
| 00:15.19 | cafuego | seberino_: import from within mozilla thunderbird. |
| 00:15.20 | toresbe | whooooa |
| 00:15.22 | hool | abrotman, no.. you get less.. 0.33l is not much |
| 00:15.27 | toresbe | alsamixer looks different |
| 00:15.30 | toresbe | and cooler too |
| 00:15.37 | loke | dondelelcaro i had it working in flux |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | hool: oh .. it's like a 12oz can? |
| 00:15.57 | pimpwell | why does it says Starting MTA: |
| 00:15.58 | dondelelcaro | loke: that's because you used Esetroot to set the background. |
| 00:16.00 | hool | dunno oz.. |
| 00:16.01 | pimpwell | and just sitting there |
| 00:16.03 | nvz | it was only like 45F here today in the afternoon, its like 41F, I figure that to be about 5C |
| 00:16.05 | arkaine\a | Where can i find a norwegian language pack for KDE? .. |
| 00:16.09 | loke | dondelelcaro no i used xsetbg |
| 00:16.11 | hool | you get 4 .33 out of one liter |
| 00:16.12 | dondelelcaro | loke: you can use Esetroot in openbox too. |
| 00:16.17 | cafuego | pimpwell: Probably trying to do dns lookups or something and failing |
| 00:16.29 | dondelelcaro | loke: you used Esetroot in fluxbox. man eterm; and read about the -O option |
| 00:16.37 | pimpwell | I just upgraded RAM |
| 00:16.39 | pimpwell | could be it? |
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| 00:16.43 | loke | dondelelcaro i got it |
| 00:16.44 | seberino_ | cafuego: open thunderbird on the windoze machine..i can probably do that but to do mozilla->imap is that an export function of thunderbird ? |
| 00:16.53 | loke | dondelelcaro i had to set the background with Esetroot |
| 00:17.06 | cafuego | 41.0 degrees Fahrenheit is 5.0° Celsius. |
| 00:17.10 | dondelelcaro | loke: yes, that's exactly what I said. |
| 00:17.27 | loke | dondelelcaro thank you |
| 00:17.30 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 00:17.44 | seberino_ | 32F = 0C |
| 00:17.48 | cafuego | seberino_: Set up an imap account in mozilla, then import your outlook express mail to that. will automagically create mbox or maildir on the imap server. |
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| 00:17.52 | La_Tortuga | So the conversation ended |
| 00:17.54 | La_Tortuga | :( |
| 00:17.59 | Jarn | eh, crusader is too complicated |
| 00:18.05 | abrotman | it's about 15F here now |
| 00:18.31 | Rawplayer | when i remove bash do i still have a login prompt? |
| 00:18.32 | seberino_ | cafuego: the imap server is on a linux pc not the windows pc |
| 00:18.39 | cafuego | seberino_: Yeah, so? |
| 00:18.52 | cafuego | seberino_: I thought that was the whole idea. |
| 00:18.55 | pimpwell | it's stuck at "Starting MTA:" I never configured mail cause I never wanted it,, |
| 00:19.02 | cafuego | pimpwell: hit ctrl-c |
| 00:19.12 | pimpwell | nothing. |
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| 00:19.19 | cafuego | pimpwell: with a hammer |
| 00:19.33 | seberino_ | cafuego: when i setup an imap account on mozilla and import to that....how do i physically get *that* to linux server? |
| 00:19.35 | cafuego | And when I say ctrl-c, I mean nvz. |
| 00:19.47 | pimpwell | nvz? |
| 00:19.55 | lanchow | i'm looking for the name of "the" algorithm to trace a line in an array (i'm using an array to draw in PGM) |
| 00:20.00 | nvz | pimpwell: ? |
| 00:20.05 | pimpwell | hi |
| 00:20.11 | nvz | little bit |
| 00:20.12 | Jarn | lol |
| 00:20.15 | Jarn | that was awesome |
| 00:20.16 | nvz | I'm working on it |
| 00:20.31 | pimpwell | i got teh sour deisel from newyork hurr |
| 00:20.32 | Ringo999 | abrotman: how do i set up my hardware e.g. my monitor settings again? |
| 00:20.35 | pimpwell | :o |
| 00:20.37 | cafuego | seberino_: The imap account will be an account on the linux server. Hurray! So when you import the mail into Firebird on Windows, it will magically copy it to whatever format the imap server uses on linux |
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| 00:21.07 | Eagle101 | To Everyone: I Love Linuxxx!!! |
| 00:21.09 | abrotman | Ringo999: just pick your resolution you want |
| 00:21.33 | ViPER_2K | hey I`ve got a minor question.. not debian related.. but I hope you guys are willing to help me |
| 00:21.39 | ViPER_2K | Ive got this mobo http://www.soyogroup.com/products/proddesc.php?id=75 |
| 00:21.44 | cafuego | Eagle101: You'll need to have a chat with La_Tortuga then. |
| 00:21.53 | ViPER_2K | can I put a 800mhz pIII slot 1 cpu on it ? |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | what's a tortuga? |
| 00:21.56 | seberino_ | cafuego: oh, you are saying that windows firebird saves its own email in maildir/mbox format ? btw, thunderbird or firefox..both ok? |
| 00:21.59 | Eagle101 | cafuego: lol |
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| 00:22.22 | cafuego | abrotman: Spanish rodent, like a lemming, but eats tortillas and tapas. |
| 00:22.23 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: http://www.soyogroup.com/kb/kbdesc.php?id=15 ... you tell me |
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| 00:22.32 | abrotman | cafuego: speedy gonzalez? |
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| 00:22.36 | nvz | man thats a hard one to do |
| 00:22.44 | loke | dondelelcaro when i exit openbox i lose my bg |
| 00:22.45 | Ringo999 | abrotman: but from the shell. there is only 60hz available, but i know this monitor can do more. |
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| 00:22.58 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: That should work fine, yes. |
| 00:23.13 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: Actually, maybe not. |
| 00:23.24 | seberino_ | cafuego: courier-imap server on linux uses maildir format |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | Ringo999: oh .. dunno . i have lcd :) |
| 00:23.36 | seberino_ | cafuego: thanks btw |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | cafuego: it says no |
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| 00:23.54 | abrotman | cafuego: it depends on the PIII he is using |
| 00:23.55 | ViPER_2K | abrotman DOH! :P hehe now it`s clear.. does it matter if it is 100 or 133 fsb ? |
| 00:23.59 | dondelelcaro | loke: yes, you set your background using your ~/.xsession |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: it depends on the family of PIII you use |
| 00:24.07 | pimpwell | if I want to have apache run, do I need to in tasksel say "web server"? |
| 00:24.14 | Ringo999 | abrotman: is there not something like sysconfig or something that lets me set the hardware? |
| 00:24.17 | cafuego | abrotman: Slot 1. |
| 00:24.18 | loke | dondelelcaro how |
| 00:24.19 | Ringo999 | from the shell |
| 00:24.25 | loke | dondelelcaro i dont have .xsession file |
| 00:24.27 | cafuego | abrotman: So an oldish one, i would hazard. |
| 00:24.29 | abrotman | cafuego: yes .. but there is more than one type of PIII |
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| 00:24.30 | dondelelcaro | loke: add the appropriate line for it to your ~/.xsession; FE, in mine I have xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_L = Multi_key' |
| 00:24.40 | dondelelcaro | xsetbg -zoom 125 -fit -center -border gray17 ~/pictures/dh-demon_tag.jpg; rather |
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| 00:24.46 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't remember the names .. but they don't all work just because they are PIII |
| 00:24.49 | abrotman | or slot 1 |
| 00:24.51 | La_Tortuga | Oh the lovly with debain is the packege istall Apt-get and you just get it :D |
| 00:24.52 | cafuego | abrotman: yeh. But I think (not sure, though) thety stopped the slot1 ones early on. |
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| 00:25.18 | ViPER_2K | cafuego hmm I recall seeing a 1ghz slot1 .. |
| 00:25.23 | abrotman | cafuego: the worst that happens .. it doesn't work :) |
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| 00:25.28 | nvz | pimpwell: most people want to just ignore tasksel and use a real package manager. I would imagine you would get apache with "web server" but most of us dont use that crap :) |
| 00:25.29 | loke | dondelelcaro ok |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: do you have the other PCU? |
| 00:25.33 | abrotman | err CPU |
| 00:25.46 | cafuego | abrotman: No, worst that could happen is that it needs an RDRAM mobo. |
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| 00:26.21 | debiannb | hello, i'm trying to do module-assistant prepare, but it try to download kernel-headers. I put manually kernel-headers tu usr/src/linux, but how i can set the location of kernel headers?¿? |
| 00:26.23 | ViPER_2K | abrotman yep .... now it has a 400 pii .. but I can buy a PIII 800 mhz from a guy .. think it`ll be quite a boost but it needs to work if I wanna buy it :P |
| 00:26.30 | pimpwell | what about while I install the desktop, getting the error: too much work an interrupt |
| 00:26.34 | pimpwell | on the DL |
| 00:26.34 | abrotman | vipe: can you try it before you buy it? |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | cafuego: not PIII .. that was early PIV |
| 00:26.43 | tarzeau | pimpwell: must be an x86 |
| 00:26.44 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: Does the mainual list the supported CPUs? |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: can you try it before you buy it? |
| 00:26.57 | pimpwell | ya x86, it seems to be stuck here? |
| 00:26.59 | cafuego | abrotman: No, P3 too. I have a piece of shit Dell to prove it. |
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| 00:27.06 | abrotman | cafuego: sorry |
| 00:27.20 | tarzeau | funny how it doesn't say not enough interrupts |
| 00:27.21 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: that little table seems to imply that if it is a Tualitin . it will not work |
| 00:27.22 | ViPER_2K | abrotman no... :( he lives at the other side of the country .. so iy goes by mail.. know him from some sort of ebay place.. |
| 00:27.25 | cafuego | abrotman: I recall having to pay through the nose to add 256Mb of ram into it. |
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| 00:27.34 | abrotman | cafuego: damn rambus |
| 00:27.49 | cafuego | (and that was not even when buying the ram from Dell0 |
| 00:27.53 | ViPER_2K | abrotman Tualitin .. whats that ? |
| 00:28.27 | nvz | heh.. my workstation is currently a Dell P4 1.8ghz with 512MB Rambus, nVidia Geforce 5200FX Ultra |
| 00:28.28 | ViPER_2K | abrotman isn`t that like the server or whatever it`s called :P version of the pIII ? |
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| 00:28.34 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: What came after Coppermine, I think. |
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| 00:28.37 | ViPER_2K | abrotman for multiple cpu usage |
| 00:28.56 | cafuego | Wow, 512MB Rambus is probably worth $1000 by now. |
| 00:28.57 | difeta | how can i run a particular command upon boot? |
| 00:29.02 | nvz | all my old pcs are sitting around gathering dust.. I am not using any of em. |
| 00:29.02 | keith_ | Can anyone help with cups. I can get the test print OK and one line from the terminal but cannot get the applications such as abiword, mozilla etc to use it. Debian 3r4. |
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| 00:29.07 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: No. |
| 00:29.16 | loke | dondelelcaro i added Esetroot ~/amber.jpg to .xsession and it didnt work |
| 00:29.25 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: Different core from the Coppermine, but no Xeon. |
| 00:29.30 | loke | dondelelcaro i tried chmod +x .xsession too |
| 00:29.31 | ViPER_2K | cafuego & abrotman .. hmm for 45 dollar .. worth a try .. or is from 400mhz to 800 mhz not really such a boost ? |
| 00:29.39 | pingouin_ | mutt user ? how i'm supose to create the dir that an fcc-hook point to ? |
| 00:29.42 | nvz | cafuego: damn, they dont make it anymore or what? |
| 00:29.56 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: I'd save my money and buy an AMD64 system next year. |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: family of PIII |
| 00:30.06 | cafuego | nvz: Not much of it, anyway. |
| 00:30.16 | nvz | if this shit is worth its weight in gold, I'd rather sell it.. heh I'll make a much better business invesatment |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: 45$ seems a bit steep if you're not sure it's gonna work |
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| 00:30.55 | Eagle101 | Guys, debian is very stable...is it just me or ? |
| 00:31.01 | ViPER_2K | cafuego well it`s not about saving money .. it`s just a system I use for downloading and other stuff.. no real high and work or gaming so a whole new system would be overkill |
| 00:31.07 | dvs | Eagle101: It's just you ;-) |
| 00:31.13 | cafuego | Legend 128MB PC800 RAMBUS AU$175 |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: then even upgrading sounds like overkill |
| 00:31.25 | ViPER_2K | abrotman ok .. so if I found out it wasn`t tualatin .. it would certainly work ? |
| 00:31.27 | Eagle101 | dvs: get out of #debian lol ;) |
| 00:31.30 | cafuego | That's more then what ou pay for 512MB DDR400 |
| 00:31.45 | nvz | well I think its 512 in there, and its in 4 pieces AFAIK |
| 00:31.50 | asuffield | that's pretty much the story of rambus. overpriced and underpowered |
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| 00:32.03 | nvz | says rambus on it, I dont know much about it |
| 00:32.14 | ViPER_2K | abrotman well the point is if your run multiple aplication it runs slow .. and playing media such as dvd isn`t a beaty even thats the problem I wanna solve |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: i will not say certainly |
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| 00:32.26 | Eagle101 | guys, what does Load Average indicator means? |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: #hardware might have a better clue |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | man w |
| 00:32.35 | ViPER_2K | abrotman thnx :P |
| 00:32.50 | nvz | Eagle101: average load, go figure |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: but you need to find out more about the CPU |
| 00:33.14 | Eagle101 | nvz: no shit |
| 00:33.14 | asuffield | Eagle101: if you don't know, it won't mean anything useful to you |
| 00:33.33 | holo | hi |
| 00:33.44 | Eagle101 | asuffield: i wanna know because its kinda high right now, lol |
| 00:33.51 | asuffield | doesn't mean a damn thing |
| 00:33.54 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: According to the mobo manual (pdf) it supports up to 100fsb x 6.0 multi = 600MHz |
| 00:33.59 | ViPER_2K | abrotman ok I`ll do so .. thnx for your help |
| 00:34.01 | asuffield | loadavg has no significant absolute scale |
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| 00:34.12 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: So don't buy it. |
| 00:34.27 | loke | dondelelcaro the .xsession file isnt setting the bg |
| 00:34.37 | dondelelcaro | loke: are you starting with the Debian session? or what? |
| 00:34.44 | ViPER_2K | cafuego hmm how come in the bios .. if I set the cpu settings to manual I can get speed support up to 1200mhz if I play with the multiplier |
| 00:34.45 | nvz | Eagle101: well then... heh.. what do you want me to do quote it out of my linux kernel reference? |
| 00:34.53 | loke | dondelelcaro debain session? |
| 00:34.54 | Gh0sty | nite all |
| 00:35.01 | loke | dondelelcaro im jsut doing startx |
| 00:35.15 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: Probably a bios updater without a manual update |
| 00:35.18 | dondelelcaro | loke: that should run ~/.xsession; which selects which window manager you actually run |
| 00:35.29 | loke | dondelelcaro i have .xinitrc |
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| 00:35.48 | Eagle101 | nvz: well you could of said what asuffield said, not the way you said it, your way was very ignorant...its ok though ;) |
| 00:35.51 | ViPER_2K | cafuego hmm ok .. thnx man :) |
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| 00:35.55 | dondelelcaro | loke: then use .xinitrc to set your background |
| 00:36.07 | loke | dondelelcaro ok |
| 00:36.08 | keith_ | hello! Any cups experts out there? |
| 00:36.20 | tarzeau | keith_: i don't think so |
| 00:36.22 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: The "Supported CPU" lists P3/850 as max. |
| 00:36.23 | asuffield | (about the only interesting thing is delta loadavg, and even that's not very interesting; it just means "something changed, maybe you should figure out what") |
| 00:36.33 | loke | brb |
| 00:36.34 | cafuego | keith_: heaps, but none in here. |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | cafuego: but not tualitin |
| 00:36.45 | ViPER_2K | cafuego hmm if so how can it max support 600 ? |
| 00:37.01 | cafuego | $EDITOR They haven't updated the manual. |
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| 00:37.04 | routerdog | keith mine won't let me connect to admin |
| 00:37.06 | cafuego | *grr* |
| 00:37.12 | lee | hi |
| 00:37.16 | cafuego | /$EDITOR/ViPER_2K/ |
| 00:37.23 | lee | can someone help me with wget, Im just trying to hit the page and have wget -r --spider --exclude-directories=/imgs,/ref http://www.example.com and keep getting www.example.com/index.html: No such file or directory |
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| 00:37.45 | holo | wich antivirus database uses aegis-virus-scanner? i will surely use clamav but aegis has nice nautilus support |
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| 00:38.13 | ViPER_2K | ok :P |
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| 00:39.50 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: i probably wouldn't buy it |
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| 00:40.58 | mh_le | are there security updated for sarge? |
| 00:41.49 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: when they propogate from unstable, yes, generally speaking. |
| 00:42.03 | lee | anyone? |
| 00:42.04 | prahal | mh_le: no , they still come through testing |
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| 00:42.07 | ViPER_2K | ok then the next cpu question :P I have this digital prioris 200mhz dual cpu server pc running debian... now I only have one cpu on it .. but I can buy a second 200mhz plus vmrl .. is that worth it`s money ? or is single or dual 200 just bullshit ? |
| 00:42.26 | prahal | mh_le: there is not a yet a sarge secu repository per se |
| 00:43.03 | mh_le | okay |
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| 00:43.37 | mh_le | it seems that sarge will become 3.1 woody, is this correct? |
| 00:43.54 | netcrash | Hello where do I change the ip address in debian, so it's the same on boot ? |
| 00:43.56 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: no, it will become 3.1 sarge. |
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| 00:44.10 | dvs | mh_le: no, sarge will become Debian 3.1 |
| 00:44.16 | ViPER_2K | netcrash in /networking/interfaces make it static |
| 00:44.20 | dondelelcaro | (or more correctly, Debian GNU/Linux Version 3.1 Codename Sarge) |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: for $5 .. i'd say do it |
| 00:44.26 | netcrash | ViPER_2K thank you |
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| 00:44.42 | ViPER_2K | abrotman hehe so it`s not worth 25 ? |
| 00:44.52 | dondelelcaro | ViPER_2K: probably not |
| 00:44.58 | ViPER_2K | netcrash np .. man interfaces will help you with the syntax |
| 00:45.04 | mh_le | dondelelcaro, so it will be a "stable" release? |
| 00:45.11 | ViPER_2K | dondelelcaro ok thnx |
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| 00:45.15 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: that's the only type of releases that Debian makes |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: that's up to you |
| 00:45.30 | abrotman | ViPER_2K: ask toresbe how much his PDP is worth |
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| 00:46.01 | mh_le | dondelelcaro, now I'm confused I thought that sarge was "unstable"..? |
| 00:46.07 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: Sarge is testing. |
| 00:46.17 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: Unstable is sid, always. |
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| 00:46.29 | prahal | can someone with mozilla-dev or firefox try : /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/xpcshell then var=3432434324 to see if it segfault too ? |
| 00:46.33 | dondelelcaro | mh_le: this is all covered in the FAQ. See /topic |
| 00:46.34 | ViPER_2K | abrotman ahh well.. thats prob my problem.. I always wanna buy new stuff for my systems.. but when I do .. I find out I don`t really need it :P |
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| 00:46.45 | mh_le | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 00:46.47 | prahal | or /usr/lib/mozilla/xpcshell for mozilla-dev |
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| 00:47.30 | cafuego | ViPER_2K: A second cpu only makes sense if the box runs a 2.6 kernel. Befoire that SMP support was crap. That said, my dual P2/300 runs 2.6 just fine. |
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| 00:47.49 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: eh, it works fine even with 2.4... |
| 00:47.58 | lee | anyone? |
| 00:48.00 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it's just not as good. |
| 00:48.09 | ViPER_2K | cafuego hehe well it just happened to be I implanned 2.6 a few weeks ago :D |
| 00:48.16 | ViPER_2K | implanted .. |
| 00:48.22 | dondelelcaro | lee: what is the exact site that you're trying to download and the exact command you're using? |
| 00:48.26 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: fine-ish. The speedup between 2.4.22 (or whatever I was running) and 2.6.6+ is VERY noticable. |
| 00:48.26 | obake | cafuego heey :) |
| 00:48.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: definetly. |
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| 00:48.44 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: and it's even worse for cpu > 2 |
| 00:48.52 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Probably moreso on a slow (300 MHz) box than a fast one. |
| 00:49.05 | Echizen-kun | could someone send me the default apache 2 config for debian? |
| 00:49.06 | arkaine\a | Where can i find a norwegian language pack for KDE? |
| 00:49.08 | lee | dondelelcaro: wget -r --spider --exclude-directories=/imgs,/ref http://www.mclamb.us |
| 00:49.27 | cafuego | arkaine\a: apt-cache search kde | grep -i norwe |
| 00:49.41 | cafuego | Echizen-kun: it's in the apache2 package. |
| 00:49.59 | Echizen-kun | cafuego: where? |
| 00:50.11 | cafuego | Echizen-kun: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 00:50.16 | Jarn | hm |
| 00:50.20 | Jarn | xfe file manager > * |
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| 00:50.26 | Echizen-kun | i did apt-get install --reinstall apache2 |
| 00:50.31 | Echizen-kun | but it didnt put it there |
| 00:50.36 | cafuego | Echizen-kun: cd /tmp; dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2_foo.deb |
| 00:50.47 | cafuego | Echizen-kun: ls /tmp/etc/apache2 |
| 00:51.25 | dondelelcaro | lee: --spider will only visit the first page. It actually has to save the pages to go through and parse them to find the links within the. |
| 00:51.28 | dondelelcaro | s/the/them/ |
| 00:51.31 | La_Tortuga | Hi |
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| 00:51.38 | La_Tortuga | Look at this: http://www.imagehosting.us/?id=165241&type=viewpic |
| 00:52.00 | lee | dondelelcaro: how would i simply hit the pages recursivly? |
| 00:52.16 | cafuego | lee: wget -m --exclude-directories=/imgs,/ref http://www.mclamb.us |
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| 00:52.48 | dondelelcaro | lee: use cafuego's command, then delete the downloaded pages when you're done. |
| 00:53.09 | lee | alright, thanks |
| 00:53.12 | cafuego | !cafuego disclaimer |
| 00:53.13 | dpkg | cafuego disclaimer is, like, Don't believe what cafuego tells you, unless you're immortal, cafuego or both! |
| 00:53.20 | dirthead | I just downloaded the latest debian packages for apache2. Now I can't figure out how to get the dang web server started. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:53.36 | dvs | dirthead: It should already be started. |
| 00:53.42 | dondelelcaro | dirthead: /etc/init.d/apache2 start; it's pretty simple. Now, if that's not working, you'll have to be more specific. |
| 00:53.46 | cafuego | Note you need sunglasses for La_Tortuga's screenshot. |
| 00:53.55 | La_Tortuga | naa |
| 00:53.57 | toresbe | uh, this ain't good |
| 00:54.02 | La_Tortuga | Well you see the trouble |
| 00:54.02 | toresbe | my ... clock has stopped |
| 00:54.14 | La_Tortuga | I couldn't take pic in fullscreen |
| 00:54.14 | cafuego | lee: yes. You're running Windows. |
| 00:54.18 | toresbe | my clock on FLUXBOX |
| 00:54.19 | loke | dondelelcaro still not working |
| 00:54.20 | La_Tortuga | :@ |
| 00:54.29 | Echizen-kun | cafuego |
| 00:54.32 | Echizen-kun | i dont see it |
| 00:54.38 | cafuego | s/lee/La_Tortuga/ |
| 00:54.39 | Echizen-kun | i extracted that file |
| 00:54.39 | La_Tortuga | No the rpoblem is that not the whole GNOME window is visible |
| 00:54.45 | La_Tortuga | the same in fullscreen |
| 00:54.46 | Echizen-kun | no httpd.conf |
| 00:54.57 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Did you file a bug with VPC? |
| 00:55.08 | Echizen-kun | can someone just be kind and send me the file?? |
| 00:55.11 | La_Tortuga | file a bug? |
| 00:55.13 | dondelelcaro | loke: eh? it's sure working here... |
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| 00:55.24 | loke | dondelelcaro my background is not being set |
| 00:55.27 | Jarn | is it important to get the newest kernels? |
| 00:55.28 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Gnome in a normal install works fine, so the problem has to be VPC. |
| 00:55.37 | dondelelcaro | loke: oh, sorry, thought you were lee. |
| 00:55.39 | loke | dondelelcaro i add Esetroot ~/amber.jpg |
| 00:55.42 | dvs | Jarn: If there is a security fix |
| 00:55.45 | dondelelcaro | loke: in your .xinitrc, right? |
| 00:55.47 | La_Tortuga | ye figured that out |
| 00:55.47 | loke | dondelelcaro yes |
| 00:55.50 | dondelelcaro | loke: what else is in your .xinitrc? |
| 00:55.55 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: And seeing as how that's payware... |
| 00:55.56 | La_Tortuga | AND THAT PISSES ME OFF |
| 00:55.58 | loke | dondelelcaro exec openbox |
| 00:56.01 | Jarn | well, ive got kernel 2.4.something |
| 00:56.04 | Jarn | do I need to upgrade? |
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| 00:56.10 | mlalkaka | hi everyone |
| 00:56.12 | loke | dondelelcaro maybe it should be exec Esetroot |
| 00:56.13 | dvs | Jarn: What is the "something" |
| 00:56.18 | La_Tortuga | Now I need to get vmware |
| 00:56.23 | La_Tortuga | one license wated |
| 00:56.24 | La_Tortuga | wasted |
| 00:56.32 | loke | dondelelcaro ? |
| 00:56.33 | dondelelcaro | loke: no, it shouldn't be. Only the last thing listed should be exec foo |
| 00:56.34 | Jarn | 27 |
| 00:56.36 | Jarn | 2.4.27 |
| 00:56.40 | dvs | Jarn: Nah. |
| 00:56.48 | Jarn | okay |
| 00:56.50 | kruzi | anyone know a bullentin board or a forum thats ported to debian? |
| 00:56.51 | Echizen-kun | can someone send me the apache 2 config please? |
| 00:56.56 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: No, email the VPC manufacturer (Didn't microsoft buy Connectix and fuck it up?) and tell them their product doesn't work and you'd like your money back. |
| 00:56.56 | Jarn | would upgrading the kernel give any new features or anything? |
| 00:57.04 | loke | dondelelcaro well the first line is exec openbox and the second line is Esetroot ~/amber.jpg |
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| 00:57.10 | dondelelcaro | loke: flip those two lines around |
| 00:57.11 | tarzeau | kruzi: no |
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| 00:57.14 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: No |
| 00:57.17 | loke | dondelelcaro ok |
| 00:57.19 | nvz | Echizen-kun: umm, no? |
| 00:57.28 | La_Tortuga | Never mind it i diden't pay it anyway |
| 00:57.28 | nvz | Echizen-kun: whats the problem? |
| 00:57.39 | La_Tortuga | I diden't steal it either really |
| 00:57.40 | dondelelcaro | loke: and help exec; while you're at it, so you understand why having exec openbox before Esetroot; isn't going to work. |
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| 00:57.48 | mlalkaka | if i want to run a certain program everytime i login, regardless of the wm/environment used, what should i do? do i put a line to run the program in ".xinit"? |
| 00:57.54 | La_Tortuga | My mum got it |
| 00:57.59 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: stick it in ~/.xsession |
| 00:58.01 | lee | cafuego: im not using windows |
| 00:58.01 | La_Tortuga | It's 9 licenses left |
| 00:58.05 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: and don't use ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:58.10 | loke | dondelelcaro help exec? |
| 00:58.14 | cafuego | lee: No, my tab completion went wrong. |
| 00:58.16 | Xenguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.18 | dondelelcaro | loke: in your shell. or man bash. |
| 00:58.21 | La_Tortuga | lol |
| 00:58.26 | mlalkaka | dondelelcaro, ok. what's wrong with .xinitrc? |
| 00:58.27 | loke | dondelelcaro ok |
| 00:58.38 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: only startx uses it. man startx; it's explained there. |
| 00:58.42 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Why don't you download the VMware trial version, see if it works first. |
| 00:58.44 | mlalkaka | ok |
| 00:58.51 | nvz | damn that pain pill just seems to have intensified my headache |
| 00:58.53 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: Or simply duel-boot the box for FREE. |
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| 00:59.10 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: and screw up my filesystem |
| 00:59.29 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: The installer only screws up filesystems when the users makes it do that. |
| 00:59.31 | mlalkaka | dondelelcaro, thanks for your help :) |
| 00:59.34 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: np |
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| 00:59.41 | La_Tortuga | vafuego: ye that's the rpblem |
| 00:59.46 | La_Tortuga | problem |
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| 00:59.48 | cafuego | If you don't TELL it to fuck up windows, it won't. |
| 00:59.52 | nvz | I think my brain is to fat for my head |
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| 01:00.06 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: know, but I might accidentely do that |
| 01:00.07 | cafuego | nvz: I thought you were in Texas? |
| 01:00.17 | nvz | cafuego: *nod* |
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| 01:00.19 | La_Tortuga | Could use somthing like partion magic... |
| 01:00.21 | La_Tortuga | That's good |
| 01:00.25 | cafuego | nvz: Aren't brains illegal there? |
| 01:00.29 | nvz | heh |
| 01:00.49 | loke | dondelelcaro it worked, thank you |
| 01:00.57 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: yeah, free up 10Mb at the end of the disk with Partition Magic, then install Debian into there. Will make it run MUCH faster than under VPC too. |
| 01:01.03 | loke | dondelelcaro openbox looks nice |
| 01:01.08 | loke | dondelelcaro what else you use? |
| 01:01.08 | cafuego | s/10Mb/10Gb/ |
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| 01:01.21 | owh | Hey all, got a little challenge with an Evolution upgrade that leaves me without email. I'm running testing and I would like to know how it is possible that a bug marked BLOCKER in ximian's bugzilla doesn't stop testing from getting that version of Evolution. |
| 01:01.28 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: Is there any free chose what to boot program? |
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| 01:01.44 | dondelelcaro | loke: uh, a ton of things... |
| 01:01.47 | sussudio | owh: apt-get install listbugs and stop whining in the future |
| 01:01.49 | sobersabre | need a pointer: point me please, to where do i read gnome/debian documentation to take user menus out of users writeability as well as desktop look and feel (metacity theme etc.), if anything of these is possible ? |
| 01:01.57 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: LILO and GRUB are both fully GPL and both come on the debian cd. |
| 01:02.21 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: (At tthey'll both detect windows and add it to your startup menu) |
| 01:02.26 | loke | dondelelcaro what is the command to switch between windows managers? |
| 01:02.26 | Jarn | does anyone here know how to run a program called zMUD on wine? cause I need some help, it's not working for me... |
| 01:02.37 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: and GPL means |
| 01:02.48 | cafuego | !lart La_Tortuga |
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| 01:02.56 | sobersabre | Jarn, zmud ... should not need windows... |
| 01:02.58 | La_Tortuga | yeye |
| 01:03.03 | La_Tortuga | TY for that |
| 01:03.07 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: http://www.debian.org/ and start reading. |
| 01:03.07 | Jarn | zmud is a windows application |
| 01:03.13 | Jarn | that only runs on windows |
| 01:03.18 | dondelelcaro | loke: most window managers have a --replace or ismilar ooption |
| 01:03.18 | owh | sussudio: I'm not and the bug now shows in list bugs because I logged it, until now it was marked as resolved. |
| 01:03.18 | owh | sussudio: And I have listbugs installed. |
| 01:03.20 | sussudio | Jarn: that makes it totally and utterly off-topic, now doesn't it? |
| 01:03.26 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: lots of documentation |
| 01:03.28 | La_Tortuga | To much |
| 01:03.31 | cafuego | Luckily there's tinyfugue |
| 01:03.39 | sphere | omg tinyfuge |
| 01:03.40 | La_Tortuga | pm dpkg easier |
| 01:03.41 | Jarn | mmm... |
| 01:03.45 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: You prefer an operating system without docs? |
| 01:03.46 | owh | And we're talking about a bug that was logged in early november, not yesterday either. |
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| 01:03.53 | La_Tortuga | cafuego: |
| 01:03.53 | Jarn | I need help with Wine, and that is part of Linux, and Debian is a Linux distro |
| 01:03.54 | La_Tortuga | No |
| 01:04.04 | Jarn | so... isn't that NOT offtopic? |
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| 01:04.06 | sussudio | !maint evolution |
| 01:04.08 | dpkg | evolution: Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org> |
| 01:04.12 | cafuego | La_Tortuga: try www.google.com then and type in 'What is GPL' |
| 01:04.13 | sussudio | Jarn: no |
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| 01:04.21 | Jarn | shrug |
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| 01:04.52 | La_Tortuga | yeye the gnu license |
| 01:04.55 | La_Tortuga | I know that! |
| 01:04.56 | Xenguy | Jarn: see #winehq |
| 01:05.05 | sobersabre | Jarn... i don't mean it is offtopic, i meant there's alternative... is it a mud client or server ? |
| 01:05.14 | nvz | Jarn: you got bad logic, wine is in debian, you can ask your question here.. though for your benefit, you might be better serving yourself to ask where you know people are more knolagable about wine.. like #wine ? |
| 01:05.17 | drac | La_Tortuga: look, you don't want anything, just asking stupid questions on serveral IRC networks. i've seen you today on dozen channels asking these same stupid question again and again. |
| 01:05.25 | Jarn | thanks |
| 01:05.29 | La_Tortuga | drac: ty |
| 01:05.31 | Jarn | mud client |
| 01:05.31 | Xenguy | nvz: er, #winehq |
| 01:05.41 | sphere | Jarn: just use tinyfugue, you can implement mappers in it just fine and the scripting features are pretty slick |
| 01:05.46 | nvz | Xenguy: yeah I knew it was something like that, hence the ? |
| 01:05.50 | La_Tortuga | drac: dos that bother you some ppl talk about other things her we did that befor |
| 01:06.03 | Jarn | I've heard so, Sphere. But I want zMUD because I already have a complete map. |
| 01:06.09 | Xenguy | nvz: and I provided more info |
| 01:06.11 | sphere | use windows :) |
| 01:06.19 | Jarn | And it would take awhile to re-map a MUD with over 10,000 rooms. :P |
| 01:06.24 | sphere | not really |
| 01:06.26 | owh | sussudio: I am aware of the maintainer, he also maintains a working list of over 1000 bugs. |
| 01:06.27 | sphere | write an automapper |
| 01:06.33 | drac | La_Tortuga: it bothers me, but i'm ignoring you on this network too, so don't worry about it. |
| 01:06.59 | Jarn | an automapper would still take awhile, because there are many secrets |
| 01:07.01 | Jarn | like hidden rooms |
| 01:07.02 | owh | sussudio: Not to mention too many packages... |
| 01:07.05 | nvz | Xenguy: yeah well my brain has no more room to grow right now.. its a good thing my client is loggin |
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| 01:07.08 | Jarn | that I don't remember where they all are |
| 01:07.08 | Jarn | :P |
| 01:07.21 | sphere | shit out of luck thn buddy |
| 01:07.25 | nvz | its easier than making more space in my skull |
| 01:07.26 | Xenguy | nvz: it's all good :-) |
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| 01:07.52 | loke | hey dondelelcaro i can locate a where a portion of the openbox menu is located |
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| 01:08.32 | loke | dondelelcaro it says Debian and then submenus into apps, games, etc. i cant find that section |
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| 01:08.46 | dondelelcaro | loke: the Debian menu is defined by the menu package... |
| 01:08.53 | owh | This just sucks, how am I supposed to encourage users to use Debian if we cannot even get bug reporting working properly... |
| 01:08.54 | dondelelcaro | loke: you generally shouldn't need to muck with it |
| 01:08.57 | Jacobo221 | I get this messages from my kernel (using an ATI Radeon 7000 card): |
| 01:09.03 | dondelelcaro | owh: eh? just use reportbug |
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| 01:09.06 | Jacobo221 | [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held |
| 01:09.06 | Jacobo221 | [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 3860 using kernel context 0 |
| 01:09.08 | loke | dondelelcaro i want to muck with it |
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| 01:09.19 | Jacobo221 | so I can't use DRI. any idea how to fix this? |
| 01:09.37 | owh | dondelelcaro: That is not the problem, a critical upstream bug is not shown within BTS, thus moving a package into testing. |
| 01:09.43 | loke | dondelelcaro i found it /var/lib/openbox/debian-menu.xml |
| 01:09.47 | loke | dondelelcaro right? |
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| 01:10.20 | _Bog | anyone help me with an error trying to install nessus? |
| 01:10.22 | dbeal | Anyone know any way to tune sata performance? hdparm -t /dev/sda reports ~9MB/s, even though UDMA/166 was reportedly enabled through libata. |
| 01:10.30 | La_Tortuga | drac: well instead of diging around in documentation in 2 hours and don't get an answear i asked her. Did that hurt the network in any way. Do I mess up evrything. Then I can avoid asking questions in the future, then.And what have been stupid with my questions. |
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| 01:10.47 | dondelelcaro | owh: so file it against the package, so that it'll be fixed before the package actually gets released. |
| 01:10.55 | _Bog | I get "c compiler cannot create executables" |
| 01:10.58 | owh | dondelelcaro: That I did. |
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| 01:11.04 | dondelelcaro | _Bog: you don't have build-essential installed. |
| 01:11.12 | dondelelcaro | owh: ok, so what's the actual problem? |
| 01:11.14 | _Bog | dond: thanks |
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| 01:11.47 | owh | dondelelcaro: That this package made it into testing at all. The critical upstream bug was lodged in early November. |
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| 01:12.10 | dondelelcaro | owh: and which bug are we talking about? |
| 01:12.48 | _Bog | dond: I'll see how it works now |
| 01:12.52 | owh | dondelelcaro: Well, I just lodged it into BTS as: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=291757, migrating Evolution from 1.4.x to 2.x fails. |
| 01:13.25 | owh | dondelelcaro: Under Ximian its: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=69566 |
| 01:13.27 | disc-q | n8 |
| 01:13.38 | disc-q | n8 |
| 01:13.41 | dondelelcaro | owh: that bug wasn't present in the BTS when the package made the transition. Therefore the maintainer (and more importantly, the testing scripts) probably weren't aware of it. |
| 01:13.49 | christor | PLease how to ahve sound from gaim in the same time I m listening xmms or other? |
| 01:13.51 | loke | dondelelcaro this is the command from openbox to get to fluxbox, <item label='FluxBox'> |
| 01:13.52 | loke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.52 | loke | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.05 | loke | dondelelcaro how do i do that from fluxbox to openbox? |
| 01:14.05 | dondelelcaro | loke: that's great. |
| 01:14.15 | dondelelcaro | loke: run /usr/bin/openbox --replace |
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| 01:14.37 | loke | dondelelcaro (/usr/bin/openbox:5638): Openbox-WARNING **: A window manager is already running on screen 0 |
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| 01:14.59 | owh | dondelelcaro:I understand that. I lodged the bug today, but the Ximan bug was two months old. Is there not a migration of critical bugs across the two tracking systems? |
| 01:15.07 | dondelelcaro | owh: no, there isn't. |
| 01:15.18 | loke | dondelelcaro what do you think? |
| 01:15.20 | dondelelcaro | owh: because it's not trivial to determine which bugs are present in one that are missing in the other. |
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| 01:15.24 | loke | dondelelcaro about the error? |
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| 01:15.36 | dondelelcaro | loke: that's a warning, actually... did you use the --replace option? |
| 01:15.41 | TheTom | i'm going to install the NVIDIA driver, and it tells me to shutdown X. how do i do that without having gdm automatically restart? |
| 01:15.51 | loke | dondelelcaro yes |
| 01:15.54 | npx | TheTom, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 01:15.55 | dondelelcaro | TheTom: stop gdm |
| 01:16.05 | dondelelcaro | loke: hrm... should work. |
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| 01:16.13 | loke | dondelelcaro not working. |
| 01:16.16 | owh | dondelelcaro: Well that is interesting to know. I understand your comments about triviality. Would it help to automatically log CRITICAL bugs from upstream and close them when upstream does? |
| 01:16.26 | TheTom | ah. thanx dondelelcaro and npx |
| 01:16.36 | vulture | TheTom: side note: I'd suggest you install the nvidia driver with the debian packages designed for such (and you don't need X stopped to do that, although you'd need to restart it after you've finished) |
| 01:16.41 | dondelelcaro | owh: it can't be automated. It has to be done by hand, by someone who is aware of the bug, and whether or not it applies to the Debian package. |
| 01:16.48 | toresbe | night friends, off to sleepyland |
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| 01:16.54 | vulture | some would argue that there's not much point to doing it that way, I just find it convenient |
| 01:17.00 | npx | vulture They've removed nvidia-glx from sarge, so if he's not using unstable that's not an option |
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| 01:17.19 | vulture | npx: noted. Odd though. |
| 01:17.24 | owh | dondelelcaro: Hmm... |
| 01:17.25 | npx | I agree. |
| 01:17.25 | dondelelcaro | owh: I'm relatively certain that the Debian maintainer would be glad to have someone help with going through the upstream bug list and figuring out which critical bugs affect the Debian package and should be blockers for release. |
| 01:17.38 | TheTom | vulture: aha. that seems even better. i was just following a guide for compiling a kernel. but sure. didn't think of it |
| 01:18.00 | owh | dondelelcaro: I'm guessing you're right and as soon as I have email working again, I'll be emailing that as an offer :-) |
| 01:18.01 | npx | TheTom, like I said, unless you're using unstable the nvidia-glx package isn't an option |
| 01:18.03 | dondelelcaro | owh: but you'd have to talk to Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org> |
| 01:18.21 | owh | Meanwhile... |
| 01:18.28 | loke | dondelelcaro anyother ideas, to get back to openbox? |
| 01:18.37 | owh | How do I re-install evolution.1.4.6, so I get email back? |
| 01:18.40 | dondelelcaro | owh: Meanwhile, you can just download the previous version from snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:18.41 | TheTom | npx: i'm using testing. can't i just get the driver from the unstable reps? then go back to testing? |
| 01:18.49 | owh | Tah |
| 01:18.52 | mlalkaka | dondelelcaro, i tried making a file called ~/.xsession with "#!/bin/sh \n lineakd" (where '\n' represents a linebreak) and then i logged out and logged back in, but the program was not run. you can run graphical programs using .xsession right? also i'm using gdm, not xdm (i'm not sure whether that matters) |
| 01:19.06 | npx | TheTom, I wouldn't recommend it, using nvidia's installer is a much easier route |
| 01:19.06 | vulture | npx: odd. I can find it on packages.debian.org: http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/nvidia-glx |
| 01:19.11 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: you have to be using the Debian session in gdm for it to work |
| 01:19.17 | vulture | (some ways, but not if I just search by package..) |
| 01:19.26 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: if you're using gnome or similar, ~/.xsession doesn't get run |
| 01:19.27 | npx | vulture As of last night that was the case |
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| 01:19.46 | owh | dondelelcaro: Can I point to that as an apt source to use pinning to downgrade? Because I'm going to get into deep doo-doo if I just install evolution 1.4.6 :-) |
| 01:20.05 | npx | vulture, they may have re-added it, I admit I haven't checked today. |
| 01:20.09 | mlalkaka | dondelelcaro, what's the Debian session in gdm? |
| 01:20.20 | dondelelcaro | owh: just add that specifically, and just apt-get install evolution=versionyouwant; or use aptitude instead. |
| 01:20.27 | vulture | npx: it's just odd. If I search by package name in testing it isn't found, but if I search by file name in testing it is. *shrugs* |
| 01:20.38 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: in the gdm session menu, there's a session called Debian that actually runs ~/.xsession |
| 01:20.41 | owh | dondelelcaro: Cool, tah |
| 01:20.58 | npx | vulture I don't know what the deal is, I suppose you'd have to e-mail the maintainer to find out what's really going on. |
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| 01:21.12 | vulture | npx: *nods* *shrugs* |
| 01:21.13 | dondelelcaro | owh: you'll also want to hold evolution using dpkg --set-selections; /msg dpkg hold; for details |
| 01:21.15 | mlalkaka | dondelelcaro, oh so ~/.xsession won't run with kde or gnome or blackbox? |
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| 01:21.35 | owh | dondelelcaro: Tah more... |
| 01:21.37 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: it will, but you have to use the Debian session, and then exec gnome-session; or exec blackbox; or whatever. |
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| 01:22.21 | dondelelcaro | mlalkaka: alternatively, you could modify those sessions to call ~/.xsession |
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| 01:22.41 | mlalkaka | dondelelcaro, how would i do that |
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| 01:23.31 | npx | mlalkaka The easiest way to do it that I've found is just 'echo "startkde" >> ~/.xinitrc' (or whatever application you want to run) and use the Debian session |
| 01:23.41 | npx | There is probably some better way |
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| 01:23.55 | npx | I don't even know what the deal is with ~/.Xsession |
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| 01:25.38 | dondelelcaro | npx: you actually just want to use ~/.xession instead of ~/.xinitrc since not everything obeys ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:25.56 | dondelelcaro | (if you really want ~/.xinitrc, just symlink it to ~/.xsession |
| 01:26.00 | grozniy | can anybody help me install nvidia driver in debian way ? |
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| 01:26.12 | npx | dondelelcaro It's just habit really, I've been using xinitrc for years |
| 01:27.20 | abrotman | !nvidia debs |
| 01:27.20 | dpkg | [nvidia debs] Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 01:27.31 | npx | cool |
| 01:27.37 | TheTom | :) |
| 01:27.44 | De_Mon | !postgres |
| 01:27.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, postgres is better than MySQL!, or short for postgresql |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | !postgresql |
| 01:27.50 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 01:28.09 | De_Mon | !postgresql8 |
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| 01:28.20 | npx | If you're looking for something more lightweight than SQL (for use in CGI scripts and such), sqlite works great |
| 01:28.40 | De_Mon | darn. I was hoping for a 8.0.0 source |
| 01:28.45 | De_Mon | apt-source |
| 01:29.08 | npx | err, more lightweight than mysql/postgresql |
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| 01:29.45 | xerophyte | how can i find the file modified time ? |
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| 01:29.58 | npx | xerophyte ls -la |
| 01:30.00 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: stat |
| 01:30.02 | pestilence | xerophyte: ls -ltr |
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| 01:30.17 | npx | that works too |
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| 01:30.59 | xerophyte | thx |
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| 01:38.30 | thorie | hmm |
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| 01:39.32 | Jarn | I wonder what would happen if limit was set to less than how many people are in it |
| 01:40.26 | cuidn | help |
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| 01:40.53 | zinx | !help cuidn |
| 01:41.03 | zinx | darn |
| 01:41.14 | zinx | can't override that one either :( |
| 01:41.39 | debiannb | hello, i have installed tuxracer, supertux, tuxkart, and more games, and i haven't got sound in them, anyone can help me? |
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| 01:43.42 | cliechti | debhelper, and you do have sound in other apps, like xmms? |
| 01:43.44 | pinion_ | do you get sound in other pgorams |
| 01:43.53 | cliechti | debiannb, , and you do have sound in other apps, like xmms? |
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| 01:45.43 | debiannb | cliechti: xmms doesn't open :( |
| 01:45.43 | haroldzoid | Can I use wine to download images from a digital camera? |
| 01:45.55 | debiannb | but i have sound in all kde app |
| 01:45.57 | raid5 | anyone using wmweather+ in debian ? im having a few issues getting the weather station to work |
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| 01:46.20 | abrotman | hardwire: why would you? |
| 01:46.21 | haroldzoid | there is a camera I want to get, but there is no linux support for it |
| 01:46.43 | cliechti | debiannb, running artsd that locks the sound device, preventing non kde apps to play sound? ;-) |
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| 01:47.38 | Echizen-kun | could anyone tell me where i could download a source tarball for screen? |
| 01:47.38 | xpato | hi, i need a tool to monitor the hard disks |
| 01:47.46 | xpato | write and reads |
| 01:47.56 | cliechti | haroldzoid, many cams can attach as USB mass storage device, so that you can just copy the files as if they were on an external drive |
| 01:48.05 | pinion_ | torsmo is a good one |
| 01:48.07 | haroldzoid | ok greak |
| 01:48.10 | haroldzoid | great* |
| 01:48.12 | haroldzoid | thank you |
| 01:48.15 | cliechti | Echizen-kun, apt-get source screen ? |
| 01:48.25 | abrotman | xpato: sysstat .. program is iostat |
| 01:49.22 | Echizen-kun | the point was to get a non-debianized version |
| 01:49.28 | Echizen-kun | since mine is now borked |
| 01:49.31 | debiannb | chiechti: running artsd, i haven't got sound in any app, no kde apps, no games, xmms doesn't open :s |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | apt-get install screen |
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| 01:50.43 | abrotman | Echizen-kun: if you can't use google to find the source . you've got problems |
| 01:50.55 | Echizen-kun | dude |
| 01:50.58 | Echizen-kun | it is hard |
| 01:51.11 | Echizen-kun | you know how many things come up when you search for that? |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | !be a google barbie |
| 01:51.11 | dpkg | awwww, google is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 01:51.23 | xpato | abrotman, i know that one, i need something more advance |
| 01:51.31 | TheTom | Echizen-kun: google.com/linux |
| 01:51.47 | Echizen-kun | "unix screen" "unix screen download" "unix screen download tar" |
| 01:51.53 | Echizen-kun | none help |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | xpato: that's all i know |
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| 01:52.24 | abrotman | Echizen-kun: did you try going to freshmeat .. and searching there? |
| 01:52.30 | TheTom | http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=screen&btnG=Google+Search |
| 01:52.41 | TheTom | number 1 on google.com/linux |
| 01:52.53 | cliechti | Echizen-kun, maybe you find an address in one of the files in /usr/share/doc/screen |
| 01:53.00 | Echizen-kun | TheTom, thanx |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | Echizen-kun: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=screen§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | it's not hard .. |
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| 01:54.37 | cliechti | debiannb, stop that deamon and try one of the games. i don't know how you can make it play together nicely |
| 01:54.55 | npx | I'm amazed he can even *use* screen, if google presents such a big problem... |
| 01:55.19 | npx | you can use artsd with anything that wants direct /dev/dsp access |
| 01:55.23 | npx | artsdsp -m tuxracer |
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| 01:55.34 | debiannb | cluechti: i'm using alsa sound |
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| 01:56.03 | npx | Or you can just set the artsd timeout to something like 1 second in the kcontrol panel for it, and it'll free up /dev/dsp 99% of the time |
| 01:56.45 | debiannb | cliechti: today, i formated my old debian, i reinstalled it,, but at my old debian i didn't have alsa i think, but now, if not alsa, it doesn't work |
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| 01:57.24 | cliechti | debiannb, you may need to load the OSS emulation modules for app that don't know about ALSA |
| 01:57.38 | nvz | I think this old ergonomic keyboard is the next best thing to a joystick fr bzflag.. it has arrow keys on both sides of the keyboard.. so if I can come up with a good enough config, I could switch from right to left hand driving :P |
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| 01:58.07 | nvz | abrotman: meh? |
| 01:58.32 | debiannb | cliechti: but, how i can remove alsa and put OSS for default on my system? |
| 01:58.40 | nvz | I got this other old keynoard here.. that is on PCB I thought about soldering js wires onto.. heh |
| 01:58.56 | cliechti | debiannb, just load snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm_oss modules and your OSS apps are happy too |
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| 01:59.12 | abrotman | !info enigma |
| 01:59.15 | dpkg | enigma: (A game where you control a marble with the mouse), section games, is optional. Version: 0.81.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 424 kB, Installed size: 1216 kB |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | nvz: try it |
| 01:59.33 | nvz | bah I dont like those games |
| 01:59.41 | debiannb | cliechti: how i do it? thanks for your help |
| 01:59.51 | abrotman | nvz: it's a puzzle game |
| 02:00.12 | nvz | find me a package that maps usb/jameport joysticks to keyboard codes.. heh so I can use a js on bzflag ;) |
| 02:00.37 | debiannb | cliechti: i want to remove alsa for complete and use OSS |
| 02:00.56 | jetscreamer | !win debiannb |
| 02:00.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, debiannb! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 02:01.12 | cliechti | debiannb, use modconf to load these modules, it should make them loading after a reboot too |
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| 02:01.29 | debiannb | cliechti: ok i try it |
| 02:01.31 | jetscreamer | you have to change the setting in gnome or kde also, debiannb |
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| 02:02.36 | jetscreamer | in gnome it's under preferences:///Advanced multimedia systems selector |
| 02:02.44 | nvz | oh well I gotta re-think my keymap. I might even get some nail polish or something and color the keycaps |
| 02:03.02 | npx | need to borrow some nail polish? |
| 02:03.23 | nvz | no I got it covered.. I got a whole bin full of it |
| 02:03.27 | teprrr | hmm, anyone have a clue what could cause that I have to press a modifier key to access the right mouse button? |
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| 02:03.33 | cliechti | apropos gnome... totem stopped to recognize mpeg4 avis after an update last week. do i miss a package? |
| 02:03.38 | teprrr | although it works fine without modifier in quake2.. |
| 02:03.43 | debiannb | cliechti: i think that i have to compile the kernel because these modules are not on modconf |
| 02:03.47 | teprrr | xfree86 problem perhaps? |
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| 02:04.29 | jetscreamer | if it's a stock kernel that would be incorrect probably |
| 02:04.49 | Agrajag- | hey all, if i apt-get install konsole, it says a whole lot of kde stuff is going to be upgraded, but it also wants to REMOVE these: "kde kdeaddons kdeadmin kdeartwork kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepim kdeutils kdewebdev" - is that supposed to happen? |
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| 02:04.56 | Agrajag- | (testing) |
| 02:04.57 | nvz | I was also thinking aobut prying off the keycaps I dont program.. heh |
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| 02:05.08 | cliechti | debian, they are there. i use a standard debian 2.6.x kernel and have them. you can load them with modprobe too and the edit /etc/modules manually |
| 02:05.15 | npx | what kind of kb do you use, nvz? |
| 02:05.19 | debiannb | jetscreamer: compiling kernel from source, can i select alsa or OSS yes? |
| 02:05.42 | npx | I got 8 pretty nice black IBM keyboard for $40 on ebay, shipped, so I've been using them for the past few months |
| 02:05.57 | npx | but given the choice I go with the MS Natural Elite |
| 02:06.02 | jetscreamer | yes just don't compile both in... you can compile both as modules though if you want |
| 02:06.10 | npx | say what you will about MS, but they make some righteous kbs/mice |
| 02:06.12 | nvz | when it comes to real-time first person games, I cant have like 5, 10, 15 buttons to remember and then have over 100 on my input device, and be expected to hit the right ones while trying to watch the screen |
| 02:06.16 | jetscreamer | you can probably compile both in but why |
| 02:06.36 | jetscreamer | nvz yes you can |
| 02:06.49 | npx | yeah, I do it all the time =P |
| 02:06.52 | jetscreamer | it's called practice.. after a year or two, you will be kicking some major ass |
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| 02:07.05 | cliechti | Agrajag-, i dont know about your case, but sometimes packages get renamed or tools moved from one to an other package. then old packages conflict with new ones and have to be removed |
| 02:07.06 | npx | wasdqe + space + crtl + mouse = fps ownage |
| 02:07.25 | Jarn | Is there anyway to change what keybindings I have set up? |
| 02:07.32 | Agrajag- | hwo should i go about upgrading kde in testing then? |
| 02:07.37 | jetscreamer | i used my jstick and mouse |
| 02:07.40 | nvz | npx: I use mostly onld AT keyboards. this one I got hooke up is a BTC 8110M, AT Ergonomic 109 key |
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| 02:07.59 | jetscreamer | Agrajag-, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:08.10 | nvz | npx: there is also a USB wireless input hub on here, and I have a wireless keyboard |
| 02:08.10 | npx | alternatively you could use the numpad, but that necessitates me moving the keyboard way to the left to get comfortable, and my roach motel sits immediately to the left of my kb...so the choice is clear, for me |
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| 02:08.37 | npx | Nice, I've been eyeballing the logitech wireless setups for a while now - still too expensive for me |
| 02:08.41 | Agrajag- | jetscreamer: ah, thanks |
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| 02:08.54 | jetscreamer | combat makes the best roach motels... miracles in a box. |
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| 02:09.11 | JosephM | I am thinking about putting in RR at my house, it is soon becoming available, but I am wondering about security and monitoring my teenagers activity, is there a sneek or someting that will monitor chat room and im connections? |
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| 02:09.41 | jetscreamer | JosephM, logging rocks... |
| 02:09.43 | npx | JosephM best thing you can do for your teenagers on the net: let the fuckers be |
| 02:09.43 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 02:09.48 | nvz | It would be absolutly ideal to use my freakin Sony PS controller w/ camecon adapter.. the game doesnt have js support yet. I could use that muchmore comfortly, and it has enough buttons.. but not too many |
| 02:09.48 | npx | They're smarter than you |
| 02:09.54 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 02:10.03 | jetscreamer | npx, depends. |
| 02:10.26 | npx | Yeah, occasionally you'll find a parent with more computer-savvy than his kids; but it's the exception, not the rule |
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| 02:11.08 | npx | My mom tried to cut the phone line off to my room, so I went outside and spliced her phoneline into my room and mine into hers |
| 02:11.12 | JosephM | so still, is there a tracer, or logger? |
| 02:11.12 | jetscreamer | i don't read their emails but sometimes i grep their logs for certain words :) |
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| 02:11.36 | jetscreamer | JosephM, yeah most im clients you can turn logging on |
| 02:11.51 | JosephM | and the kid can turn that off |
| 02:12.02 | jetscreamer | JosephM, if you let him sure |
| 02:12.08 | npx | and get pissed about you invading their privacy |
| 02:12.17 | jetscreamer | tough :) |
| 02:12.18 | Jarn | Perfect solution for you, Joseph |
| 02:12.19 | JosephM | I was thinking about a firewall software that could track this stuff |
| 02:12.24 | npx | seriously, let them be, if you don't want them on the net don't let them on the net |
| 02:12.26 | Jarn | unplug your computer and throw it out the window |
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| 02:12.35 | dondelelcaro | JosephM: your best bet is just to talk to your teenagers, and actually explain to them the dangers that are out ther.e |
| 02:12.36 | Jarn | then they can't get into anything you don't want |
| 02:12.45 | dondelelcaro | JosephM: technical measures don't work well. |
| 02:13.01 | npx | dondelelcaro you, nail, head |
| 02:13.14 | Jarn | anything else they can get around |
| 02:13.32 | jetscreamer | JosephM, what npx says has merit, i don't try to inhibit them or anything.... just check once in a while. either you trust them or you don't, and you have to go with that. |
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| 02:13.51 | Guerin | JosephM: do you read their diaries too? Record their phone calls? Veto their choices of music and hairdye? |
| 02:13.54 | pipeline | JosephM: You can use pf to log huge amounts of traffic; but that would be unwise. |
| 02:13.55 | dondelelcaro | FE, anyone who is remotely savy has remote shells all over the planet and can tunnel whatever they want anywhere |
| 02:14.07 | jetscreamer | Guerin, hell yeah. |
| 02:14.19 | jetscreamer | i don't let them put multiple holes in their ears either |
| 02:14.30 | Guerin | jetscreamer: pervert. |
| 02:14.30 | JosephM | pf? |
| 02:14.32 | jetscreamer | blue or green hair dye is out |
| 02:14.36 | maher | i knew someone at school who dealt coke and kept a secret diary in which he kept records - his parents read and gave it to the police- we neve saw him again....r |
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| 02:15.01 | dondelelcaro | maher: eh, he's just a juvie |
| 02:15.18 | dondelelcaro | maher: probably got released in a few years and got the conviction expunged |
| 02:15.20 | pipeline | My younger sister, when she was in high school, had a friend who dealt coke and regularly partook in orgies. Her parents believed she was the soul of virtue. |
| 02:15.28 | Guerin | maher: off to borstal with the Nuns of St Althea the Virtuous |
| 02:15.31 | pipeline | Because they treated their children like prisoners. |
| 02:15.31 | npx | dondelelcaro don't underestimate juvie - I've been in a southern mississippi detention center, and it's *FAR* from being a cakewalk |
| 02:15.54 | zinx | censorship is not the path to morality |
| 02:16.03 | dondelelcaro | npx: oh, definetly. |
| 02:16.16 | dondelelcaro | npx: trust me, southern mississippi is nothing like LA county. |
| 02:16.26 | npx | I can imagine |
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| 02:16.54 | pipeline | Bitch always wanted to rip folks off for coke, too. |
| 02:16.57 | jetscreamer | however: making them THINK you're an all knowing allseeing computer god doesn't hurt... or course, neither does actually being one... |
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| 02:17.20 | dondelelcaro | 'course, the advantage of LA county is that unless you've committed a felony, you tend to get parolled fast to make room for people who really need to be incarcerated |
| 02:17.23 | npx | Yeah, psyching teenagers out is pretty easy (and a lot less work) |
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| 02:17.46 | debiannb | cliechti: I recompiled my kernel, and i deactivated ALSA, and i selected only OSS, with my soundcard, but it doesn't works :( |
| 02:17.57 | Jarn | the best thing to do is not to actually be all-seeing and all-knowing, but to make them think you are |
| 02:18.09 | strubbel | hi, is it possible to unpack an ace file in debian? |
| 02:18.09 | jetscreamer | debiannb, did you change it in gnome or kde like i said? |
| 02:18.23 | asg | strubbel: yes |
| 02:18.23 | debiannb | jetscreamer: what i change? |
| 02:18.26 | dondelelcaro | strubbel: yes, with unace |
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| 02:18.39 | debiannb | jetscreamer: can yo help me? |
| 02:18.42 | jetscreamer | in gnome it's under preferences:///Advanced multimedia systems selector |
| 02:18.47 | npx | pipeline I think our sisters were in the same club or something =) |
| 02:18.47 | cliechti | debiannb, hehe, the standard kernel would have worked for you as well. maybe artds still locking the audio device? |
| 02:18.54 | strubbel | dondelelcaro: i havent't found it in woody |
| 02:18.56 | jetscreamer | kde go into the sound part of the control panel |
| 02:19.05 | strubbel | dondelelcaro: will look for backports |
| 02:19.15 | strubbel | thanks for the hint |
| 02:19.19 | npx | I don't recommend totally disabling artsd, setting the timeout to 1 second works a lot better |
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| 02:19.48 | npx | dondelelcaro ignoring robots.txt? |
| 02:19.53 | debiannb | cliechti: when i start computer, also start a serice (Setting up ALSA), and it gives an error, because i selected OSS on kernel configuration |
| 02:19.54 | asg | dondelelcaro: then block them |
| 02:20.14 | maher | dondelelcaro: they're doing research to find out how... |
| 02:20.20 | nvz | heh |
| 02:20.24 | zinx | dondelelcaro: msnbot frequently tries to spider the entire internet through a friend's "l33t"ifying php |
| 02:20.27 | jetscreamer | debiannb, you might need to blacklist alsa in discover and/or hotplug |
| 02:20.30 | debiannb | jetscreamer: under kde how i edit this? |
| 02:20.43 | jetscreamer | kde go into the sound part of the control panel |
| 02:20.51 | jetscreamer | i'm tired of hitting the up arrow |
| 02:21.06 | dondelelcaro | nah, idiots don't understand that if a href is foobar.cgi?bleh=blah; you can't throw away the query part of the URI |
| 02:21.31 | asg | dondelelcaro: oh, then block them anyway ;) |
| 02:21.59 | asg | dondelelcaro: or send refer them to onionbooty.com |
| 02:22.03 | debiannb | jetscreamer: i select OSS from kcontrol... but also its an error :s |
| 02:22.05 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 02:22.22 | asg | s/send// |
| 02:23.07 | dondelelcaro | asg: if it was my site, I would... unfortunatly, it's for a client. Oh well... not really a big deal. |
| 02:23.12 | jetscreamer | do you have all the proper modules loaded ? |
| 02:23.17 | debiannb | jetscreamer: i want erase alsa from kernel load, |
| 02:23.19 | asg | dondelelcaro: ah, okay. |
| 02:23.24 | npx | for me, at least, alsa has always sounded noticably better |
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| 02:23.37 | debiannb | jetscreamer: when services start, it appears: Setting up ALSA |
| 02:23.43 | npx | I've only tried it on 3 cards (cmedia pci, sb live 5.1 and some lame sis shit) |
| 02:23.45 | jetscreamer | did you blacklist alsa for discover and/or hotplug? |
| 02:23.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove alsa* if you think that will help |
| 02:24.01 | Guerin | jetscreamer: and greycat |
| 02:24.07 | debiannb | ok |
| 02:24.13 | jetscreamer | esp alsa-base |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. me too |
| 02:24.21 | TheTom | humm. how do i remove a program with apt-get ? i tried man apt-get but i got this error : gzip: stdout: No space left on device :) |
| 02:24.33 | jetscreamer | oh god i just typed it TheTom |
| 02:24.39 | jetscreamer | are you blind? |
| 02:24.49 | debiannb | jetscreamer: ok... removing alsa |
| 02:24.54 | cliechti | TheTom, then make some space on your disk ;-) try "df -h" to see what space you have left |
| 02:24.55 | Guerin | TheTom: first of all, delete some shit on that drive |
| 02:24.59 | matcs | hey, somehow tell me how to background my network configuration stuff during startup? |
| 02:25.01 | Guerin | TheTom: apt-get clean; |
| 02:25.01 | Rawplayer | jetscreamer: ever saw a braille monitor :? |
| 02:25.04 | asg | TheTom: well, to go out on a limb, does 'apt-get clean' provide you with some spare space? |
| 02:25.08 | TheTom | jetscreamer: i don't hang out in #debian all the time, you know, and i don't scrollback to see what you typed |
| 02:25.13 | dondelelcaro | matcs: "background it?" |
| 02:25.14 | TheTom | now i see it though |
| 02:25.21 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 02:25.24 | matcs | you know, like in suse |
| 02:25.37 | jetscreamer | <3 |
| 02:25.49 | matcs | it trys to get an ip and such then when it takes to long it says "backgrounding.... blah blah" |
| 02:25.54 | jetscreamer | TheTom, see also apt-get remove --purge <package> |
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| 02:26.04 | dondelelcaro | matcs: oh, that happens automatically if you're using dhcp |
| 02:26.10 | debiannb | jetscreamer: alsa removed xmms, kde :s? |
| 02:26.15 | matcs | no it doesn't |
| 02:26.17 | TheTom | apt-get clean freed 261.4 MB :) |
| 02:26.24 | Guerin | hrm, what's a media player which provides some software noisereduction filtering |
| 02:26.25 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:26.36 | matcs | it sit's for a while at "configuring network interfaces.." |
| 02:26.41 | jetscreamer | debiannb, i believe you... but iirc the kde one is just a metapackage |
| 02:26.41 | npx | Guerin xmms has a plugin for that iirc, artsd does also |
| 02:26.42 | TheAsp | Guerin: there might be a plugin for xmms |
| 02:26.43 | asg | TheTom: now, remove what you wanted to, and keep an eye on your drive usage :) |
| 02:26.45 | matcs | i assume waiting for ifup -a to finish |
| 02:26.51 | TheAsp | Guerin: there might be a plugin for gstreamer too, so you could use any gstreamer app |
| 02:26.55 | Guerin | yeah, I looked for one, but it's not cleverly named |
| 02:26.57 | jetscreamer | and xmms one is probably also |
| 02:27.17 | dondelelcaro | matcs: yes, it's trying to get an address through dhcp. This takes a second. Eventually it will time out and just continue on. |
| 02:27.27 | npx | Guerin I think there's a python mp3 player that has facilities for that, too - and if all else fails, there's always audacity |
| 02:27.29 | matcs | it takes to long for me |
| 02:27.35 | matcs | in suse it's faster |
| 02:27.38 | dondelelcaro | matcs: well, then fix your dhcp server or use a static ip. |
| 02:27.38 | TheTom | asg: yeah, sure. i was compiling a kernel, and then i got No space left on device when it was writing the changelog :þ |
| 02:27.49 | asg | TheTom: ah, okay :) |
| 02:27.58 | TheAsp | matcs: its not too long though.... |
| 02:27.58 | matcs | i don't think it's the dhcp server as my girlfriends mac goes fast |
| 02:28.10 | matcs | and windows box i have does to |
| 02:28.12 | Guerin | npx: I need to play an mp3 stream, then smehow put a hiss gate on it |
| 02:28.14 | debiannb | jetscreamer: ok, alsa removed |
| 02:28.20 | jetscreamer | i have like only 2 or 3 gigs available out of 3 hd's :/ |
| 02:28.25 | debiannb | jetscreamer: what can i do now? |
| 02:28.27 | matcs | i think it's the /etc/init.d/networking script |
| 02:28.27 | asg | jetscreamer: poor you |
| 02:28.34 | Guerin | i tried fucking around with mplayer and sox, but I'm too stupid to make it work |
| 02:28.41 | jetscreamer | debiannb, i dunno. i just told you what you wanted to know. |
| 02:28.48 | jetscreamer | what do you want to do |
| 02:28.50 | dondelelcaro | matcs: if you're not geting a response almost instantly from a DHCPDISCOVER packet, your dhcp server is screwed, or something is wrong with your network. |
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| 02:29.11 | dondelelcaro | matcs: if you run dhclient (from the dhcp3-client package) you should see a response almost instantly. |
| 02:29.16 | debiannb | jetscreamer: i want that my soundcard works fine, with all apps :) |
| 02:29.38 | TheTom | but when i sudo apt-get remove kde it says it'll only free 41KB discspace? |
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| 02:29.46 | npx | Guerin join the club - sox is hard =( |
| 02:29.50 | debiannb | jetscreamer: i think that i must recompile kernel yes¿ |
| 02:30.08 | asg | TheTom: kde is a meta-package, it provides very little other than dependencies. |
| 02:30.10 | mwilson | TheTom: Correct. |
| 02:30.29 | npx | Guerin I know, for sure, audacity can do what you want, but you may have to jump through some hoops, viz re-encoding, to get it to work |
| 02:30.36 | TheTom | what if i want to remove the K desktop environment then? |
| 02:30.48 | asg | !remove kde |
| 02:30.48 | dpkg | remove kde is, like, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs3 kdelibs4 (or ask me about "install kde") |
| 02:30.50 | asg | TheTom: ^^^ |
| 02:30.51 | Guerin | yeah... I just want to listen to a damn audio stream and have it not be all hissy |
| 02:31.05 | matcs | when i do ifup ath0 it goes pretty fast, maybe it's something else thats making it take a while |
| 02:31.14 | TheTom | asg: cool |
| 02:31.16 | jetscreamer | debiannb, did you compile the current kernel? |
| 02:31.32 | debiannb | jetscreamer: yesterday i compile 2.6.10 from source |
| 02:31.33 | dondelelcaro | matcs: this is after an ifdown eth0; right? |
| 02:31.41 | jetscreamer | remove kde is like apt-get remove --purge kde* |
| 02:31.47 | dondelelcaro | matcs: what type of switch do you have this hooked up to? |
| 02:31.50 | matcs | yes |
| 02:31.57 | jetscreamer | ok debiannb did you compile alsa as a module or statically |
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| 02:32.11 | npx | Guerin if you have high-pass filtering on your stereo you could pipe the sound to that (works reasonably well on my circa-72 sony deck) |
| 02:32.15 | debiannb | jetscreamer: statically |
| 02:32.18 | matcs | using dlink g650 wireless card and dlink router |
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| 02:32.40 | jetscreamer | ok debiannb then yes you probably want to recompile |
| 02:32.48 | debiannb | ok |
| 02:33.02 | Guerin | npx: all I have for stereo is a shitty korean mini system |
| 02:33.07 | debiannb | jetscreamer: i'm going to do it... |
| 02:33.15 | jetscreamer | modules are cool till you determine exactly how you want your kernel debiannb |
| 02:33.34 | npx | Guerin mine is strictly dumpster-diving fodder |
| 02:33.37 | dondelelcaro | matcs: oh, you're going through a wireless network? the network card may not have connected at that point in time, or something else might be the matter. |
| 02:33.41 | debiannb | jetscreamer: compile by module, not statically yes? |
| 02:33.47 | uGexe | i am doing a lspci -v and its saying the irq on one of my cards is 193.. is this bad? |
| 02:34.05 | matcs | i also messed around with my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:34.06 | debiannb | and, when i finish it should work ? :)? |
| 02:34.11 | matcs | but think i have it working good now |
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| 02:34.37 | Guerin | npx: the trouble is that nobody in this country seems to have really good hifi gear ... just the latest chromey 'home theatre' package |
| 02:34.40 | jetscreamer | debiannb, yeah just until you're confident that you have your kernel as you like it, then you can compile the modules in statically... you don't have to wait, but this will keep you from having to recomple if you change your mind |
| 02:34.48 | Guerin | *rant* |
| 02:34.51 | jetscreamer | ile |
| 02:34.57 | asg | mwilson: you could run /bin/login in an xterm and record that |
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| 02:35.23 | dondelelcaro | matcs: anyway, all /etc/init.d/neworking does is run ifup -a; and dhclient itself will go into the background typically if it can't get an ip (unless invoked with -e) |
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| 02:35.34 | npx | Guerin Any pawn shops in your area? you can usually get great deals on home equipment at them |
| 02:35.35 | tag | what do I have to do to make ScriptAlias work when my +ExecCGI dir is outside of the DocumentRoot (apache2) |
| 02:35.49 | asg | tag: #apache would know |
| 02:35.51 | npx | tag, you might have better luck in #Apache |
| 02:36.01 | matcs | dondelelcaro: that's how dhclient is designed? |
| 02:36.01 | dondelelcaro | tag: you have to set up an appropriate <Directory></Directory> option, then set your options appropriately. |
| 02:36.05 | dondelelcaro | matcs: yes. |
| 02:36.08 | jetscreamer | npx here, the deals in pawn shops aren't so great anymore... they want too much money. |
| 02:36.11 | Rawplayer | its fully explained in the docs |
| 02:36.12 | Rawplayer | but ok |
| 02:36.27 | tag | dondelelcaro: Directory Option +ExecCGI yeah? |
| 02:36.33 | dondelelcaro | tag: uh, no. |
| 02:36.33 | jetscreamer | i got some good speakers a year ago though |
| 02:36.38 | matcs | dondelelcaro: dhclient gives me this " sit0: unknown hardware address type 776" after i messed with config. do you think that has something to do with it? |
| 02:36.41 | tag | dondelelcaro: what do I need then? |
| 02:36.48 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:36.54 | npx | jetscreamer yeah, my strategy is to see what the price on the item is, deduct about 20%, put that much cash in my right pocket and tell them "this is all I've got" |
| 02:37.05 | dondelelcaro | matcs: you're not passing the interface on the commandline when you run dhclient |
| 02:37.19 | burnin | hey people, I booted up a Knoppix 3.4 CD on my laptop and I like the way it runs. Should I just install Knoppix, grab the latest debian, or some other distro based on debian? |
| 02:37.22 | dondelelcaro | tag: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#directory |
| 02:37.27 | npx | sometimes more depending on what I'm buying and whether or not the cashier is male or female (females tend to let you practically steal tools) |
| 02:37.35 | matcs | dondelelcaro: should i be? |
| 02:37.39 | asg | burnin: grab debian (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 02:37.42 | simonrvn | matcs: yes |
| 02:37.44 | burnin | I've pretty much been using RHL and Fedora, but FC3 is too big and slow on my laptop. |
| 02:37.48 | matcs | i don't even know what sit0 is |
| 02:37.53 | dondelelcaro | matcs: unless you want dhclient to try to bring all interfaces up, yes. |
| 02:37.57 | Guerin | npx: no; there is no tradition of good oldschool gear here. It's all about the newest tat from the Samsung DigitaLife shop... |
| 02:37.57 | simonrvn | matcs: ignore sit0 |
| 02:38.10 | npx | that's sad guerin |
| 02:38.11 | matcs | what is it? |
| 02:38.14 | uGexe | is there some other way to get IRQs? |
| 02:38.15 | dondelelcaro | matcs: but then, if you don't know that, you probably shouldn't even be bothering with dhclient |
| 02:38.15 | matcs | something for ipv6? |
| 02:38.30 | asg | uGexe: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 02:39.16 | burnin | asg: debian it is, thanks... |
| 02:39.31 | tag | dondelelcaro: that seems to be the help I would need if I was using a symlink and I'm trying to use a scriptalias instead |
| 02:39.45 | Guerin | npx: that's what happens when a country's economy is rebuilt from scratch in ~50 years |
| 02:40.20 | dondelelcaro | tag: no, you must have an appropriate <Directory> stanza covering anything you want apache to serve. If you don't the default Directory /; stanza takes over, which is Deny from all; |
| 02:40.28 | dondelelcaro | tag: this is all basic apache config stuff |
| 02:41.08 | simonrvn | one good thing abot quagga is that the syntax resembles cisco ios quite a bit (AFAIS anyway) |
| 02:41.14 | npx | Guerin yeah I've been reading quite a bit lately about WW2 etc (spurred by a re-read of cryptonomicon) - very interesting stuff |
| 02:41.31 | asg | !setup simonrvn's conduit |
| 02:41.35 | nevyn | simonrvn: similar but less features. |
| 02:41.46 | simonrvn | nevyn: yeh. noticed that too |
| 02:41.49 | cliechti | mwilson, look at xnest if you have to take a screenshot of a X login |
| 02:41.58 | dondelelcaro | tag: FollowSymLinks is just one of the many options that can be defined in a <Directory> stanza. |
| 02:42.13 | tag | dondelelcaro: this is stupid, I've done it dozens of times over the years and I'm just having trouble for I dunno what reason |
| 02:42.15 | simonrvn | a route server i connected to has qos FFS... |
| 02:42.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:42.23 | dondelelcaro | tag: paste your httpd.conf already. |
| 02:42.35 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 02:42.35 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 02:43.12 | simonrvn | telnet route-server.cerf.net |
| 02:43.18 | simonrvn | sh ? |
| 02:43.40 | tag | dondelelcaro: http://sial.org/pbot/6849 |
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| 02:44.11 | asg | simonrvn: could be anything |
| 02:44.29 | simonrvn | quality of service |
| 02:44.41 | asg | simonrvn: nmap it on port 21 and 6667 and try to fingerprint it |
| 02:44.49 | asg | simonrvn: err, port 23 |
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| 02:45.15 | npx | hah |
| 02:45.29 | TheAsp | tag: no + |
| 02:45.31 | simonrvn | closed 6667 |
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| 02:45.53 | paster | "dondelelcaro" at 138.23.92.79 pasted "tag -- Alias should be the following:" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/199 |
| 02:45.55 | TheAsp | Well, + should work |
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| 02:46.39 | tag | dondelelcaro: I'm still getting a 404 |
| 02:46.42 | asg | simonrvn: Device type: router |
| 02:46.42 | asg | Running: Cisco IOS 12.X |
| 02:46.42 | asg | OS details: Cisco router running IOS 12.0(18)S or 12.0(18)S1 |
| 02:46.43 | dondelelcaro | tag: if you don't have that, you won't even get to the Alias part, because <Directory /> is Deny from all; |
| 02:46.54 | dondelelcaro | tag: a 404 on what? |
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| 02:47.07 | simonrvn | up to date ios it seems |
| 02:47.10 | dondelelcaro | oh, it should be /cgi-bin too |
| 02:47.20 | uGexe | anyone have experience setting up an isdn internal modem? the hisax module is loaded, but its not finding any channel and isdnutils start says loop0: bad address |
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| 02:47.28 | tag | dondelelcaro: blisted.uucp/cgi-bin |
| 02:47.37 | tag | dondelelcaro: and any file inside it I attempt to access |
| 02:47.57 | dondelelcaro | tag: what's the config look like now? |
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| 02:48.11 | abrotman | !isdn |
| 02:48.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, isdn is (Integrated Services Digital Network) This is a digital line that is often used to connect to the Internet. It generally come in two flavors: one is a 56 Kbps version, which in actuality only uses half of the ISDN line's bandwidth; the other is the 128 Kbps version, which uses both the 56 Kbps channels on the line. However, that's only 112 Kbps--the other 16 Kbps are an 8 Kbps back channel of each line., or at http://www.isdn4linux.de/ |
| 02:48.28 | FieldySnuts | or shitty |
| 02:48.43 | paster | "tag" at 67.183.29.168 pasted "it looks like this" (43 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/200 |
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| 02:49.35 | dondelelcaro | tag: /home/tag/dev/programs/awkbot/cgi-bin/ <- there still isn't a <Directory /home/tag/dev/programs/awkbot/cgi-bin/> for this directory. |
| 02:49.54 | tag | oh shit |
| 02:49.57 | tag | I see what you mean |
| 02:49.59 | tag | hahah |
| 02:50.20 | npx | hahaha |
| 02:50.21 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: you always can use it, just don't submit it to a channel, and paste the link yourself |
| 02:50.25 | risky | Can someone explain why bind9 would spit this out when trying to set up dynamic dns with identical keys on the dhcp server conf, named conf and dhclient conf? allow-update { |
| 02:50.26 | risky | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.26 | risky | }; |
| 02:50.35 | risky | Doh, that was not it... |
| 02:50.42 | asg | risky: try #dns |
| 02:50.49 | tag | dondelelcaro: I changed the Directory directive to be <Directory /home/tag/dev/programs/awkbot/cgi-bin/> |
| 02:50.53 | nvz | I am sitting here watching a car show on tv.. what I cant figure out, is when they desing a small convertable, and there is a back seat where there is only an inch of leg room... why not just wrap the backs of the seats around the side, and take out the center of the seat, leaving leg room for the seats both pointing like 30 degrees inward |
| 02:50.55 | risky | asg, thanks, will go there |
| 02:51.01 | dondelelcaro | tag: cool... that should work, at least for the cgi-bin... |
| 02:51.04 | tag | dondelelcaro: *still* get a 404 |
| 02:51.26 | dondelelcaro | tag: ok, this is on foobar/cgi-bin/bleargh.cgi or something, right? |
| 02:51.33 | npx | nvz, or why not just get rid of the back seats and have some damn luggage room? |
| 02:51.33 | tag | no |
| 02:51.34 | dondelelcaro | check the error log |
| 02:51.43 | TheAsp | nvz: it would probably kill you if you hit something |
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| 02:51.52 | dondelelcaro | tag: well, it isn't going to do directory indexes |
| 02:51.58 | nvz | npx: yep.. I dont know what the point is of trying to crap a seat in there |
| 02:52.15 | tag | right but I should get access denied for that right |
| 02:52.17 | tag | The requested URL /cgi-bin was not found on this server. |
| 02:52.19 | tag | not that |
| 02:52.19 | npx | Like, have you ever sat in the back of a mustang? |
| 02:52.19 | nvz | TheAsp: they got seating in every direction in a limo |
| 02:52.24 | dondelelcaro | oh, 404, not 403 |
| 02:52.30 | tag | Yes, 404 |
| 02:52.31 | TheAsp | nvz: limo != sports car |
| 02:52.31 | npx | I think i'd rather ride on the roof =P |
| 02:52.39 | dondelelcaro | tag: PerlHandler AMPKit::Request <- this is why. |
| 02:52.48 | tag | oh fuck me |
| 02:52.50 | tag | hahahaha |
| 02:52.57 | TheAsp | i'd rather avoid that, thanks |
| 02:53.06 | loke | anyone here have experience remastering knoppix? |
| 02:53.07 | dondelelcaro | tag: your PerlHandler needs to return DECLINE: for /cgi-bin |
| 02:53.14 | asg | loke: no, try #knoppix or use bootc |
| 02:53.20 | asg | bootcd rather |
| 02:53.24 | loke | asg k |
| 02:53.28 | tag | dondelelcaro: Right, I'm throwing an ignore in the AMPKit config right now |
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| 02:54.01 | TheTom | hm. i apt-got alsa earlier to check something out, and now mpd won't play. i did apt-get remove alsa . wil debian use arts again when i reboot? or do i have to do something clever? do i even have to rboot to get some music playing? |
| 02:54.07 | tag | Ok, now the alias is just not working |
| 02:54.09 | tag | [Sat Jan 22 18:53:38 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /home/tag/dev/web/blisted.org/cgi-bin |
| 02:54.25 | mwilson | Knoppix is bad enough on its own... you need to remaster it? |
| 02:54.39 | nvz | oh well I think I will go get my ass handed to me on bzflag |
| 02:54.49 | mwilson | I always figured Knoppix was unfixable. |
| 02:55.07 | FieldySnuts | @lart Knoppix |
| 02:55.26 | asg | mwilson: it's fixable by using bootcd to create a real live cd. |
| 02:55.44 | nvz | that was kind of a lame lart |
| 02:55.48 | loke | mwilson nope you can remaster it and add or remove apps |
| 02:55.48 | asg | mwilson: though at that point, it's a Debian live cd |
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| 02:55.59 | FieldySnuts | you do a better one, then |
| 02:56.07 | loke | asg, thats why its so good |
| 02:56.09 | mwilson | loke: But it's still Knoppix, therefore crap. |
| 02:56.20 | nvz | nope, I'm going to play bzflag =P |
| 02:56.25 | loke | mwilson yeah, but for situations when you dont have a linux box |
| 02:56.28 | tag | dondelelcaro: I got it |
| 02:56.31 | risky | Oh well, not a sould in #dns... so if someone can help me out please do |
| 02:56.34 | risky | Can someone explain why bind9 would spit this out when trying to set up dynamic dns with identical keys on the dhcp server conf, named conf and dhclient conf? updating zone '1.168.192.in-addr.arpa/IN': update failed: rejected by secure update (REFUSED) |
| 02:56.38 | mwilson | loke: So? Then I don't have a Linux box. |
| 02:56.48 | tag | dondelelcaro: I dropped the script alias, my AMPKit seems to interfere with it, switched to a symlink it appears to be functional |
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| 02:56.53 | loke | mwilson its a quick fix |
| 02:56.56 | dondelelcaro | tag: ah, ok... |
| 02:57.00 | loke | mwilson i like knoppix-std |
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| 02:57.28 | tag | well, it aint running my CGI, but I'll figure that out should be simple |
| 02:57.34 | dondelelcaro | tag: yeah, PerlHandlers cause wierd things to happen... unfortunatly, there's really no good way that I know of to walk through the handlers that are happening there |
| 02:57.44 | tag | yeah |
| 02:57.48 | tag | PerlHandler does do strange things |
| 02:58.02 | FieldySnuts | can we stop talkin about knoppix, makin me ill |
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| 02:58.14 | dondelelcaro | tag: there's probably a debugging mode to do it, but I've never found it |
| 02:58.16 | tag | I had to write a TransHandler to look up directory indexes because having the PerlHandler caused the normal transhandlers to get skipped. |
| 02:58.21 | albo | is gmail fucked for anyone |
| 02:58.33 | loke | if i copy a /usr/bin/foo to a different computer with the application work? |
| 02:58.34 | tag | One of the many things that just sucks about apache |
| 02:58.45 | Sensebend | albo, working fine here |
| 02:58.55 | mattybats | dondelelcaro: so i turned my router off rebooted, puter hung till i control-c'd out of network config part. then i took wireless card out of /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted, and the thing hung for like 20-30 seconds at network config before moving on. what does this say? |
| 02:58.58 | npx | tag, I've taken to using twisted |
| 02:59.10 | loke | mwilson gmail is down atm |
| 02:59.16 | FieldySnuts | no big loss |
| 02:59.20 | mwilson | loke: Who cares? |
| 02:59.21 | gradzac | albo: gmail is running really slow in the last 15 mins or so |
| 02:59.29 | tag | npx: I'd use twisted if I would take to using python |
| 03:00.01 | tag | npx: Until then, I'm going to daydream about designing a web application framework in POE and never really get past designing it, and then use apache mod_perl instead. |
| 03:00.01 | loke | simonrvn i have like 20 invites |
| 03:00.02 | DaCa | loke: ldd /usr/bin/foo, you need the libs listed there too |
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| 03:00.11 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: this says that your wireless card probably hasn't come up the first time that ifup is run |
| 03:00.13 | loke | DaCa ldd? |
| 03:00.17 | npx | tag, You'll see the light one day =) |
| 03:00.20 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: *cheer* |
| 03:00.24 | moshii | is it possible to log in to gmail with Konq. yet? |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | whee .. i just found a PHP job in philly doing porn sites |
| 03:00.42 | simonrvn | php.. |
| 03:00.42 | DaCa | loke: it shows the dynamic libraries used by the binary |
| 03:00.49 | tag | npx: Yeah, as soon as the python scope tightens up ;-) |
| 03:01.03 | simonrvn | it shows the libs the binary is linked to |
| 03:01.03 | mattybats | it seems like it'll wait indefinitely for the wireless card to connect to whatever essid you have specified in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:01.05 | fusion | I get an error from a program saying that IPv6 support is not found..how do I enable it? (I thought it was enabled) |
| 03:01.08 | tag | if that ever happens, which I doubt it will |
| 03:01.08 | loke | DaCa so all i need to do is transfer the libraries and the binaries and im good? |
| 03:01.21 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: but turn on verbosity in the /etc/init.d/networking script to see where it's having issues. |
| 03:01.25 | simonrvn | implying it needs those.. |
| 03:01.49 | loke | whats the command to make a clone of my debian config that i am currently using??? |
| 03:01.58 | uGexe | http://misc.ug-pro.com/isdn.jpg <- can someone help me understand that error? |
| 03:01.58 | dondelelcaro | loke: what part of the configuration? |
| 03:01.59 | loke | packages and such. |
| 03:02.01 | simonrvn | que? |
| 03:02.07 | loke | dondelelcaro packages |
| 03:02.12 | simonrvn | loke: --get-selections |
| 03:02.18 | kirbymeister | hey, anyone know how to mount an ftp site? |
| 03:02.26 | loke | simonrvn dpkg?? |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | !tell loke about debian clone |
| 03:02.32 | simonrvn | loke: yes |
| 03:02.35 | mwilson | kirbymeister: You don't. |
| 03:02.42 | DaCa | loke: for running the binary yes, you could still get in trouble for missing data or configfiles tho |
| 03:02.43 | zinx | kirbymeister: first off, that's a really really horribly bad idea |
| 03:02.46 | simonrvn | mount an ftp site? |
| 03:02.53 | zinx | kirbymeister: if you really want to do it, look at lufs |
| 03:02.54 | kirbymeister | duh, I just wanna know how to do it |
| 03:02.57 | dondelelcaro | uGexe: ETOOFUZZY |
| 03:03.03 | Cyanophytes | do files go anywhere after deleting from trash |
| 03:03.04 | Guerin | kirbymeister: why? |
| 03:03.05 | mattybats | dondelelcaro: you mean ifup -v right? |
| 03:03.11 | Guerin | Cyanophytes: /dev/null |
| 03:03.17 | simonrvn | Cyanophytes: bit bucket |
| 03:03.17 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: yes, but in the actual /etc/init.d/networking script |
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| 03:03.22 | zinx | kirbymeister: do keep in mind that any network troubles will probably 1) make it unmountable, and 2) OOPS your system, or worse |
| 03:03.26 | loke | DaCa how can i figure out which data and config files are missing if any? |
| 03:03.33 | kirbymeister | Well, I'd prefer to be able to mount an ftp to access it as a regular directory, instead of using a seperate program |
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| 03:03.40 | mattybats | what's the difference from just doing it manually after i take everything down? |
| 03:03.58 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: because presumably your card has connected by then |
| 03:04.00 | simonrvn | kirbymeister: um, it is anyway, just that you don't see the intermediate program |
| 03:04.07 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: but you can try it manually anyway |
| 03:04.09 | Cyanophytes | so the linux file delete is pretty sucure for financial documents |
| 03:04.18 | uGexe | I am confused because the error is about isdnlogloop, but there is not a single result on google for isdnlogloop |
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| 03:04.21 | simonrvn | Cyanophytes: no. use wipe or the like |
| 03:04.22 | Guerin | kirbymeister: you're looking at it all wrong. Just use a file browser cliet which speaks ftp... like konqueror |
| 03:04.25 | zinx | Cyanophytes: not really |
| 03:04.29 | Guerin | or lftp |
| 03:04.36 | npx | See, I'm too dumb to even know what you mean by 'loose scope' tag |
| 03:04.37 | mattybats | i don't know what they can't just do this shit at a later time during startup |
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| 03:04.41 | kirbymeister | Guerin: I'm using that currently |
| 03:04.43 | simonrvn | Cyanophytes: what happens is it just does an unlink() |
| 03:04.55 | kirbymeister | guerin: nautilus to be exact |
| 03:04.59 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: because you need the network up in most configurations early on. |
| 03:05.01 | npx | Which I think renders me more or less immune to any ill effects that it may or may not have =D |
| 03:05.04 | mattybats | why |
| 03:05.05 | TheAsp | logos: lufs will do that |
| 03:05.08 | Cyanophytes | zinx: oh where do the file go though? |
| 03:05.19 | kirbymeister | BTW, what does OOPS my system do, does it mean, crash it, or kill it? |
| 03:05.19 | Guerin | kirbymeister: nautilus != konqueror... I don't know if it can speak ftp natively |
| 03:05.21 | zinx | Cyanophytes: exactly where they were, they just aren't linked anywhere |
| 03:05.22 | moshii | kirbymeister: autofs can also be used 'mount' an ftp automatically each time you need it |
| 03:05.23 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: so you can connect to the NFS server that has /usr on it, for instance. |
| 03:05.24 | mattybats | for servers right |
| 03:05.28 | gerard | hello, i'm compiling kernel, anyone knows how to "put the penguin on top when kernel is loading"? |
| 03:05.28 | mattybats | right |
| 03:05.28 | TheAsp | Guerin: it uses gnomevfs... |
| 03:05.32 | mattybats | makes sense |
| 03:05.35 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: no, for clients, actually. |
| 03:05.35 | DaCa | loke: by investigation? does it come from a debian package? if so, dpkg -L packagename shows you all the files installed for it |
| 03:05.35 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:05.38 | kirbymeister | it doesnt have to be a permenant connection |
| 03:05.39 | mattybats | right |
| 03:05.43 | mattybats | i can see that |
| 03:05.50 | loke | DaCa non debian package thats the prob |
| 03:05.50 | mattybats | i rather have it just fail |
| 03:05.52 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: if you know you don't care, don't bring the interface up by default, and start it later. |
| 03:05.55 | Guerin | I' just gaving to install lots of gnome shiteware on my box now, actually... including this gnome-vfs |
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| 03:06.02 | mattybats | yeah but i want it automatic |
| 03:06.11 | mattybats | who wants to type that shitty command every time |
| 03:06.13 | loke | DaCa and its -l |
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| 03:06.16 | Cyanophytes | zinx: any way to get rid of them completely after deleting them? |
| 03:06.19 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: nothing is stoping you from starting just that interface at S99 or whatever. |
| 03:06.22 | simonrvn | automatic what? shooting you in the face? |
| 03:06.26 | mattybats | s99? |
| 03:06.30 | tag | npx: python's scope (and hence its garbage collection) is not very isolated. Scope is defined by object instances and methods/functions only. You cannot force things to be quickly garbage collected (unless they exist only a small method/function). In perl, the scoping is a whole lot more complex, I can arbitrarily create a scope level create something use it, and end that scope level and have it be GC'd (or unlocked, or whatever the scope-re |
| 03:06.35 | loke | DaCa -l list all |
| 03:06.42 | zinx | kirbymeister: an OOPS is the kernelspace equivilant of a segfault.. your system may be partially usable afterwards in rare cases, but in the case of filesystem madness, it probably won't be |
| 03:06.43 | DaCa | loke: no -l shows the installed packages, -L shows the contents of one package |
| 03:06.51 | loke | DaCa i see, cool |
| 03:06.55 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: yes, S99. |
| 03:06.58 | tag | npx: like { my @keys = keys %hash } @key's has already been marked for collection and will fail to exist in the next GC cycle |
| 03:07.07 | mattybats | when would that make it happen? |
| 03:07.09 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: I sense you have some reading to do. /msg dpkg runlevels will assist you. |
| 03:07.14 | mattybats | right |
| 03:07.18 | mattybats | thanks anyway |
| 03:07.25 | zinx | Cyanophytes: fill up your hard drive completely with junk, as root |
| 03:07.27 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:07.36 | Cyanophytes | or better yet how do I view files that have been deleted? |
| 03:07.38 | tag | npx: in python, these lexical declarations do not exist, and this type of scope control does not exist. And thats what I wish was different about python. |
| 03:07.40 | zinx | Cyanophytes: that will eradicate all data that was in deleted files |
| 03:07.45 | kirbymeister | zinx: segfault? you mean what my old windows did to me everyday? |
| 03:07.51 | zinx | Cyanophytes: you have to fill it up -completely- though |
| 03:07.56 | tag | npx: if that *was* different about python, I would probably use it more ;-) |
| 03:08.02 | zinx | kirbymeister: something like that, yes |
| 03:08.13 | kirbymeister | oh |
| 03:08.28 | npx | tag, I can't say I fully understand what you mean (I'll have to read up on it a bit more) |
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| 03:08.57 | npx | But i can say that I've never ran into a situation where I felt that quickly gc-ing an object was necessary |
| 03:09.06 | zinx | Cyanophytes: the easiest way is probably ''dd if=/dev/urandom of=/root-of-filesystem/temp_file'' as root, then rm /root-of-filesystem/temp_file |
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| 03:09.11 | kirbymeister | well, obviously the ftp handler cant just tell the kernel, 'oh, we cant access the site anymore, please umount me' |
| 03:09.19 | zinx | Cyanophytes: when it tells you you're out of disk space, of course :) |
| 03:09.23 | dondelelcaro | npx: anytime you're consuming lots of memory over and over again, it tends to become an issue... |
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| 03:09.42 | tag | npx: yeah well, I have, and when I use a VHLL I'm very picky about the runtime environments memory handling |
| 03:09.50 | loke | abrotman im remastering knoppix, im going to mirror my current debian box to a knoppix live cd, how would i go about removeing excess packages that are not in my --get-selections file |
| 03:09.54 | zinx | Cyanophytes: /dev/zero might work too, but dd might create a sparse file so i would avoid it |
| 03:09.55 | dondelelcaro | npx: 'course, many things aren't long lived enough for GC to be a huge concern |
| 03:10.11 | loke | abrotman from the original knoppix cd |
| 03:10.20 | abrotman | loke: notice .. sign on door .. says #debian |
| 03:10.25 | npx | dondelelcaro (everything I've written so far) |
| 03:10.31 | loke | abrotman well these are debian questions |
| 03:10.45 | TheAsp | npx: you are asking us how to use knoppix |
| 03:10.53 | loke | abrotman essentaill when you cp the files from the live cd to a harddrive and chroot its debian |
| 03:10.55 | npx | TheAsp I am? |
| 03:11.02 | kirbymeister | chroot? |
| 03:11.03 | TheAsp | err |
| 03:11.05 | TheAsp | i ment loke |
| 03:11.21 | mwilson | loke: No, it's Knoppix. |
| 03:11.22 | TheAsp | screen scrolled as i looked up to see the naem |
| 03:11.23 | TheAsp | :P |
| 03:11.30 | loke | Theasp |
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| 03:11.40 | loke | mwilson it uses debian files |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | !live cd |
| 03:11.43 | npx | Quick knoppix re-mastering tutorial: mount -o loop knoppix.iso /lame_shit; rm -rf /lame_shit/* |
| 03:11.44 | loke | mwilson and apt-get |
| 03:11.46 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 03:11.47 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 03:11.52 | npx | huzzah! |
| 03:11.52 | mwilson | loke: Yes, so? |
| 03:11.52 | Guerin | !cluedrill loke |
| 03:11.57 | abrotman | see .. dpkg doesn't know .. debian doesn't do livecds |
| 03:12.04 | abrotman | !magic hate ball |
| 03:12.05 | Sensebend | knoppix isn't debian |
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| 03:12.08 | simonrvn | loke: it's another distro. now please stfu about it and go to #knoppix |
| 03:12.18 | tag | npx: Maybe this is true for you, but I have alot of programs that deal with lots and lots of data, and whats probably more of a factor is that I'm just generally very picky about that type of thing ;-) |
| 03:12.22 | loke | man you guys are pissy tonight |
| 03:12.23 | Guerin | loke: how fucking long have you been coming here, and you STILL don't understand the most simple things about debian... |
| 03:12.31 | abrotman | loke: no .. we're right .. |
| 03:12.31 | loke | !beer everyone |
| 03:12.37 | loke | chill guys |
| 03:12.39 | loke | sorry |
| 03:12.43 | Cyanophytes | is there a way to view deleted files? |
| 03:12.56 | loke | Cyanophytes yeah, dont delete it |
| 03:12.57 | equnix | i have been working for hours trying to successfully install udev on my custom kernel. i get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none,..." and then apt-get fails. any tips? |
| 03:13.06 | npx | tag, The only real application I've written in python hasn't consumed more than 40mb of usage (in a fairly intense test) |
| 03:13.16 | npx | s/usage/memory/ I don't know how that happened |
| 03:13.29 | moshii | equnix: udev is all userland isn't it? |
| 03:13.30 | loke | Cyanophytes there is a way, if you didnt install anything else or move shit around |
| 03:13.32 | simonrvn | equnix: have tmpfs compiled in? |
| 03:14.04 | equnix | simonm, i have not |
| 03:14.13 | simonrvn | loke: um, multi-user OS. not bloody likely if it isn't ext2 |
| 03:14.13 | loke | Cyanophytes this might help http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/recovery-howto.html |
| 03:14.23 | npx | tag, I use sqlite to handle the stuff that would (probably) have me worrying about garbage collection |
| 03:14.29 | Cyanophytes | loke: I just want to see if I can view files I have deleted. I'm always downloading stuff so I imagine they are quite long gone after being deleted |
| 03:14.31 | loke | simonrvn shit happens |
| 03:14.46 | simonrvn | equnix: debian's udev package uses mpfs to mount /dev onto |
| 03:14.49 | Cyanophytes | I would rather have them gone anyways. heh |
| 03:14.54 | loke | Cyanophytes http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+recover+deleted+file&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
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| 03:14.55 | tag | npx: databases are for persistent information. I don't use them for temporary storage, thats horribly inefficient. |
| 03:14.56 | simonrvn | equnix: tmpfs even |
| 03:15.36 | npx | tag, I use pickle to store entire class instances in the database (for shopping carts) |
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| 03:15.50 | equnix | i'm using a 2.6 kernel that says CONFIG_TMPFS is obsolete...? |
| 03:15.53 | tag | npx: And I care alot (possibly too much) about having a good balance of efficiency (of all factors, memory, processor time, disk access, key presses ... ;-)) |
| 03:15.59 | loke | Cyanophytes there are ways to recover |
| 03:16.14 | simonrvn | equnix: um, wrong option |
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| 03:16.24 | equnix | oh, sorry |
| 03:16.26 | loke | Cyanophytes i have never done it personally, but as long as new data doesnt get written over it, the files still there |
| 03:16.28 | npx | tag, yeah obviously you're a much better progammer than me =) - I really only care if it works and it's on time |
| 03:16.57 | tag | npx: Yeah if I was less of a great programmer I'd probably get more done in less time ;-) |
| 03:16.58 | equnix | do i need the extended attributes? |
| 03:17.02 | tag | atleast by that definition |
| 03:17.18 | simonrvn | up to you. if it's only for things like that, no |
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| 03:17.49 | npx | tag, I'm forgetful as hell, that's one of the main reasons I like python...it pretty much forces me to write readable code |
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| 03:18.15 | Alan | hello |
| 03:18.22 | npx | Like, forgetful to the extent that I can no longer remember *anything* useful about the autotools (6 months ago I was spending 8hrs a day using them) |
| 03:18.29 | Alan | how do i join a new irc channel? |
| 03:18.38 | Guerin | Alan: /j channel |
| 03:18.38 | simonrvn | /join #channel |
| 03:18.53 | npx | drugs are bad =( |
| 03:19.00 | Alan | in xchat i have only a few channels |
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| 03:19.11 | Alan | sorry, i mean server |
| 03:19.19 | gerard | hello, i'm compiling kernel, anyone knows how to "put the penguin on top when kernel is loading"? |
| 03:19.23 | abrotman | which version of xchat? |
| 03:19.24 | cafuego | Alan: /server server |
| 03:19.28 | simonrvn | /server irc.server.tld |
| 03:19.37 | Alan | cool, thank you! |
| 03:19.42 | CompBrain | Hello: Im trying to recompile a kernel module, but im getting a .o instead of a .ko, any suggestions? |
| 03:19.43 | cafuego | gerard: framebugger support and boot logo support |
| 03:19.55 | cafuego | CompBrain: Use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 03:19.59 | simonrvn | cafuego: frame bugger? :) |
| 03:20.09 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yes, no typo <heh> |
| 03:20.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:20.16 | CompBrain | cafuego: I am, I just patched the sources for the tuner module, and ran make modules |
| 03:20.39 | cafuego | CompBrain: You'll have a 2.4 kernel makefile then, not a 2.6 one. |
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| 03:21.42 | CompBrain | Its a fresh debian install and I just downloaded the kernel sources from apt, would it be outdated from there? |
| 03:21.56 | pipeline | No. |
| 03:22.03 | cafuego | No, but the patch may have broken the makefile. |
| 03:22.32 | CompBrain | hmm, alright |
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| 03:22.54 | Alan | i've heard of guys getting huge amounts of music using newsgroups.... |
| 03:22.55 | CompBrain | nope, didnt touch it, its the kernel patch for adding new tuner types |
| 03:22.59 | Alan | is that right? |
| 03:23.08 | CompBrain | it only modifying tuner.h and tuner.c |
| 03:23.10 | Alan | connected to irc in any way? |
| 03:23.20 | cafuego | Alan: The only think you get from usenet is spam and ebola. |
| 03:23.26 | cafuego | s/k/g/ |
| 03:23.29 | topa_ | how do I change the default desktop environment in sid ? |
| 03:23.32 | pipeline | Alan: Usenet is usenet. IRC is IRC. They're unrelated :P |
| 03:23.42 | pipeline | topa_: this is a veiled startx question, isn't it? |
| 03:23.50 | pipeline | topa_: In general, one edits ~/.xsession |
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| 03:23.53 | npx | Alan, gift.sf.net & the giftd package. that is all. |
| 03:24.05 | npx | also, harass the asshats in #gift - they deserve it more than you can imagine |
| 03:24.07 | topa_ | thanks |
| 03:24.12 | npx | (yeah, you!) |
| 03:24.13 | pipeline | Alan: apt-get install nicotine |
| 03:24.13 | cmr | topa_: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 03:24.14 | Alan | i see, thank you very much! |
| 03:24.21 | loke | what command will compare two files and give me the differnces? |
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| 03:24.24 | Alan | so is soulseek still king? |
| 03:24.26 | cafuego | loke: diff |
| 03:24.46 | Alan | yeah i like nicotine! |
| 03:24.51 | topa_ | cmr: ohh forgot about that, dpkg had told me about that looong back :) |
| 03:24.54 | cafuego | Alan: No, going to the store and buying a CD is. |
| 03:24.55 | nvz | damn I just learned that the rotating headlight goes back to Preston Tucker's Torpedo, back in the late 40's |
| 03:24.56 | simonrvn | king of what? turkeys? |
| 03:24.58 | cmr | Alan: they crippled the global search a couple of days ago, allegedly, but i haven't had any problems. it's still a scam, and nir is sucking in $600,000 in "donations" every year. |
| 03:25.07 | npx | turkey..mmmm |
| 03:25.15 | loke | cafuego: how? |
| 03:25.27 | cafuego | loke: man diff, you lazy bastard. |
| 03:25.33 | loke | cafuego i am, lol |
| 03:25.46 | loke | cafuego do i use cat too? |
| 03:25.49 | fusion | does ksirc not have ipv6 support..? |
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| 03:25.54 | nvz | this guy revolutionized a lot of technologies seen in modern cars |
| 03:25.59 | cafuego | loke: Does the manpage for diff mention cat? |
| 03:26.01 | simonrvn | fusion: try it |
| 03:26.11 | loke | cafuego nope |
| 03:26.13 | fusion | Well I get cannot find server |
| 03:26.16 | cafuego | loke: Well then. |
| 03:26.19 | fusion | but I can ping6 the server |
| 03:26.28 | loke | cafuego its in chinese |
| 03:26.38 | loke | cafuego i dont read chinese |
| 03:26.43 | cafuego | loke: mandarin or cantonese? |
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| 03:26.47 | npx | nvz, automotive technology hit it's peak in the Ford 302 Boss =) |
| 03:26.55 | loke | cafuego i gotta pipe it to english |
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| 03:27.01 | moshii | cafuego: written chinese is the same for each isn't it? |
| 03:27.08 | loke | cat man diff > english | more |
| 03:27.20 | cafuego | moshii: it is? |
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| 03:27.36 | cafuego | loke: man diff: 'diff [options] files ... |
| 03:27.44 | Guerin | grrr, why the fuck are there so many Noise plugins, but no noise reduction plugins for ladspa? |
| 03:27.46 | cafuego | loke: Which aprt do you not understand? |
| 03:27.54 | moshii | cafuego: I think there are dialects in spoken chinese but written chinese is the same for all |
| 03:27.56 | mattybats | dondelelcaro: so i changed networking to s99 and it won't let me log in till it's finished, same shit. The last time i rebooted i counted how long it took during the networking script and it was 58 seconds |
| 03:27.56 | loke | cafuego so basically: diff file1 file2 |
| 03:28.04 | loke | cafuego so basically: diff file1 file2 > file3 |
| 03:28.08 | cafuego | loke: Did you try running that? What happened? |
| 03:28.12 | mattybats | i think that is kind of wack |
| 03:28.17 | loke | cafuego i dont have two files yet |
| 03:28.26 | mattybats | but i have no patience |
| 03:28.26 | cafuego | loke: wtf are you bothering me for, then? |
| 03:28.29 | mattybats | i guess |
| 03:28.36 | Guerin | mattybats: cry me a fucking river |
| 03:28.39 | mattybats | i know |
| 03:28.43 | mattybats | i should |
| 03:28.51 | mattybats | if only there were enough tears inside of me |
| 03:28.57 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: that's not what I said. I said, remove the auto line, then bring the interface that is causing issues up later in an initscript or whatever. |
| 03:29.01 | cafuego | mattybats: rewrite init to fork() all init scripts. |
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| 03:29.14 | cafuego | mattybats: Give you a bit of load at bootup, but wil lmake it quick. |
| 03:29.17 | simonrvn | omfgs |
| 03:29.19 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: finally, there's nothing stoping you from changing ifup -a; to ifup -a &; |
| 03:29.32 | mattybats | dondelelcaro: tried that |
| 03:29.36 | mattybats | it don't like that |
| 03:29.46 | simonrvn | cafuego: you *know* you have to run some of that shit in series |
| 03:29.53 | mattybats | i think it hung at debian splash if i remember correctly |
| 03:29.56 | svref | test 1 2 3 |
| 03:29.59 | cafuego | simonrvn: hence my running away |
| 03:30.00 | dondelelcaro | mattybats: then run ifup -av; and see exactly what is causing the problem. |
| 03:30.02 | dondelelcaro | svref: fail |
| 03:30.09 | simonrvn | "debian splash"? |
| 03:30.10 | Alan | cmr you talking about usenet or slsk |
| 03:30.11 | Alan | ? |
| 03:30.14 | mattybats | in gnome |
| 03:30.19 | simonrvn | oh |
| 03:30.22 | dondelelcaro | you mean gdm? |
| 03:30.25 | npx | #debian needs more unprovoked bans |
| 03:30.32 | cafuego | mattybats: That has nothing to do with your init scripts. |
| 03:30.41 | loke | how do search for a string in a file and delete all in vi? |
| 03:30.45 | cafuego | npx: Are you volunteering? |
| 03:30.53 | simonrvn | npx: sometimes there's unknowingly provoked +b |
| 03:31.01 | npx | cafuego, I'm always willing to take one for the team |
| 03:31.05 | TheAsp | mattybats: you need to make your hostname on 127.0.0.1 in /etc/hosts if you arnt going to have an interface up |
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| 03:31.10 | simonrvn | @lart npx |
| 03:31.12 | cafuego | loke: :%s/string//g |
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| 03:31.26 | mattybats | cafuego: maybe it just hung at "configuring network interfaces.." can't rightly remember |
| 03:31.36 | dondelelcaro | !vagueness |
| 03:31.36 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 03:31.49 | cafuego | mattybats: Well, come back when you DO remember. |
| 03:32.19 | mattybats | k |
| 03:32.37 | cafuego | Coz through it makes the baby penguins cry, vagueness makes dondelelcaro kill a kitten. |
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| 03:34.23 | mattybats | dondelelcaro: don't know if this changes things but i forgot to mention i'm using hotplug |
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| 03:35.39 | Cheeto | hey can someone give me a bit of help configuring X-Serve? |
| 03:35.49 | simonrvn | squatter is being obnoxious tonight |
| 03:35.50 | Cheeto | or XFree86, specifically |
| 03:36.13 | loke | cafuego thank you |
| 03:37.08 | helloyo | whats wrong with it cheeto? |
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| 03:37.56 | Cheeto | well, I installed the first disc of Debian and then had it download everything I needed, but when it came to configuring X Serve, it refuses to work with my mouse, won't even load into KDM. I'm a Linux n00b, btw |
| 03:38.06 | Guerin | !n00b |
| 03:38.06 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 03:38.21 | Cheeto | heh |
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| 03:39.50 | Guerin | Cheeto: what kind of mouse, what kernel? |
| 03:39.50 | mattybats | !noob |
| 03:39.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noob is < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
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| 03:40.25 | Cheeto | Actually I spent the last 5 hours looking around the net without finding anything |
| 03:40.40 | Guerin | Cheeto: just the facts, ma'am. What kernel, what kind of mouse? |
| 03:40.45 | Cheeto | I have a USB Intellimouse optical, I was running it on the PS2 port, now I've tried USB but there's no power to it. I'm running I think 1.4.6 kernel |
| 03:40.53 | Cheeto | err |
| 03:40.56 | Cheeto | 2.4.6 |
| 03:40.59 | mattybats | Cheeto: that wasn't directed at you, i just wanted to see if i had the power to type !noob |
| 03:40.59 | Cheeto | lemme try and check |
| 03:41.03 | Guerin | guess again |
| 03:41.08 | Guerin | uname -r |
| 03:41.20 | Cheeto | 2.2.20 |
| 03:41.22 | Cheeto | thanks |
| 03:41.33 | Guerin | Cheeto: ok. Is this going to be a desktop machine? |
| 03:41.37 | Cheeto | yes |
| 03:41.42 | nvz | this bittorent is weird.. its saying I've uploaded more than I've downloaded |
| 03:41.42 | TheAsp | woah |
| 03:41.45 | Guerin | Cheeto: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 03:41.59 | moshii | nvz: quite possible |
| 03:42.01 | pinion_ | that's cause you have fancy pants |
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| 03:42.09 | Guerin | Cheeto: once you've done that, you'll want a real kernel too. |
| 03:42.17 | Guerin | nvz: I get that quite regularly. |
| 03:42.19 | Cheeto | eh? |
| 03:42.21 | nvz | moshii: I dont understand how I can upload part of a torrent I havent downloaded |
| 03:42.42 | Guerin | Cheeto: you should upgrade to sqarge, current testing, unless you want a 3-year-old system. |
| 03:42.44 | moshii | nvz: probably uploading the same chunk over and over |
| 03:42.49 | Cheeto | ah okay |
| 03:42.50 | Guerin | Cheeto: which I'm thinking you don't. |
| 03:42.53 | Cheeto | didn't know Woody was that old |
| 03:42.54 | nvz | its amazing how effecient this protocol is though |
| 03:43.04 | nvz | moshii: ah, I see |
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| 03:43.23 | Guerin | nvz: yeah. I pretty routinely get 500K/s in and out |
| 03:43.52 | Cheeto | once again I can install it from only the first iso and it'll download anything else it needs? |
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| 03:44.17 | moshii | nvz: you client should try and snatch rare parts first, so if end up being the only peer that's got that part you'll the uploading it to everyone else ^^ |
| 03:44.23 | Guerin | Cheeto: just read that factoid. if you really must reinstall, install from a sarge installer |
| 03:45.40 | Cheeto | kk |
| 03:45.48 | kirbymeister | ermm... I have a problem: I plugged in a USB disk, and it loaded up as /media/usbdisk. When I begin copying files, a couple minutes threw the copy, I get I/O error. No, I did not unplug it. Now, nautilus crashes and I cant remount the drive! |
| 03:45.59 | Cheeto | if I can get my keyboard working again... |
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| 03:46.07 | Cheeto | *stabs his finickey computer* |
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| 03:46.22 | djtech | hello all |
| 03:46.42 | nvz | well I am not getting impressive speeds, I could probably have someone mail me my copy of this movie faster than I am d/l it |
| 03:47.11 | moshii | kirbymeister: when you insert it the first time it probably became /dev/sda.. and because it wasn't removed correctly the second time you connected it it became /dev/sdb instead |
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| 03:47.47 | guestish | i am trying to get lirc to work, but even though i can see that lirc can recieve the stuff when i press the buttons, the commands i programmed in do not work |
| 03:48.03 | nvz | I only brought my books and music with me, I left the movies |
| 03:48.05 | guestish | i just switched over to /dev/input/event2 from 2.4 and i dont know how to make a suitable config file |
| 03:48.08 | kirbymeister | moshii: I get special device /dev/sdb does not exist |
| 03:48.10 | guestish | mode2 doesnt work |
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| 03:48.45 | kirbymeister | moshii: in fact, I have no sd devices |
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| 03:49.22 | moshii | nvz: once you have a few parts it should improve, but check you have the right ports open |
| 03:49.34 | moshii | kirbymeister: check dmesg |
| 03:49.47 | nvz | moshii: well I dont have any special ports open I know of |
| 03:49.54 | owh | For starters let me take this opportunity to thank dondelelcaro for the rendered assistance. I now have a working Evolution again (downgraded back to 1.4.6-5). |
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| 03:50.13 | guestish | i am stumped |
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| 03:50.33 | mwilson | There is no such thing as a "working Evolution"... there are only more broken or less broken ones. |
| 03:50.36 | nvz | moshii: its periodically poping up dialogs saying it cant connect to the tracker or something, it started out around 4 or 5kb, its up to like 26kb or so now |
| 03:50.50 | owh | mwilson: Yes, that is pretty accurate unfortunately :-) |
| 03:50.52 | moshii | nvz: you need some ports open to allow other peers to connect to you, google "bittorrent firewall" |
| 03:51.09 | nvz | looks like its trying to use 10006 |
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| 03:51.27 | mwilson | Evolution can't even correctly deal with its own mail store, even if it creates the directories. |
| 03:51.29 | Cray2 | Wee |
| 03:51.31 | Cray2 | hallo |
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| 03:51.34 | kirbymeister | moshii: I get a bunch of usb messages, lots of them saying 'device not accepting address' |
| 03:51.51 | owh | mwilson: Which was in fact the reason for my downgrade :-| |
| 03:51.56 | moshii | kirbymeister: try restarting hotplug |
| 03:52.11 | mwilson | Evocrap is a really poor example of GUI mail clients under *nix. |
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| 03:52.32 | kirbymeister | moshii: tried that |
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| 03:52.46 | kirbymeister | Evolution? I use Thunderbirdd |
| 03:52.51 | owh | mwilson: Perhaps, but now that I have 2.1Gb of email inside it, I've got some challenge ahead to move on to another client :-| |
| 03:53.54 | TheAsp | you sure you ment 'Gb'? |
| 03:54.27 | TheAsp | most people dont measure the bits . . . :) |
| 03:54.39 | owh | Hmm.. Point taken... |
| 03:54.46 | owh | s/Gb/GB/ |
| 03:54.47 | TheAsp | :P |
| 03:54.48 | TheAsp | :) |
| 03:55.21 | owh | So, I have two options: Help the maintainer or move away from Evolution. |
| 03:55.38 | owh | I was kinda leaning toward the former. |
| 03:56.06 | Kerr | when i login to my ftp server via konqueror or mozilla, i login ok, then get told can't connect to host. or just an empty dir. Any idea how i can fix that, or any better gui ftp clients ? |
| 03:56.13 | TheAsp | whats wrong with evolution? |
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| 03:56.57 | djtech | I thought the mozilla mail client had a import from evolution |
| 03:57.08 | Guerin | Kerr: why gui? |
| 03:57.18 | owh | The maintainer has 150 packages and 1600 bugs to their name... |
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| 03:57.28 | Guerin | djtech: they both use mboy files; just copy them over |
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| 03:57.31 | owh | TheAsp: It didn't migrate my mail from 1.4.6 to 2.0.3 |
| 03:57.47 | TheAsp | owh: oh, i keep my mail in a maildir... |
| 03:57.48 | xerophyte | 0-9 scale how many likes the domain name networkmonks.org .. does it even sound logical ???? |
| 03:57.58 | equnix | i've installed udev, 2.6 and i can't get the sound to work. i run alsaconfig and it succeeded, but cat /dev/dsp says no such device |
| 03:58.07 | anifinder | xerophyte: They already have perlmonks.org, I think. |
| 03:58.12 | nevyn | xerophyte: it's pretty neat. |
| 03:58.13 | TheAsp | equnix: do you have oss emulation? |
| 03:58.15 | owh | The mail format inside the ~/evolution folder is a mixture of mbox/maildir and xml and it is hideous. |
| 03:58.37 | TheAsp | owh: to you maybe |
| 03:58.48 | xerophyte | anifinder, true do you think its will be problem if we take the networkmonks.org, :) |
| 03:58.50 | Kerr | Guerin: I like gui.. and i need to edit miltiple logfiles, which is far easier to do point and click. |
| 03:58.52 | owh | TheAsp: Well, to Evolution itself also :-) |
| 03:58.52 | equnix | TheAsp, i don't think so |
| 03:58.59 | equnix | TheAsp, why? |
| 03:59.03 | TheAsp | equnix: then you wont have /dev/dsp |
| 03:59.09 | Guerin | owh: it is not... it's some config files, some indices, caches and mbox files |
| 03:59.31 | Guerin | owh: only the mboxen are important |
| 03:59.32 | djtech | I think area51 sounds good! |
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| 03:59.42 | equnix | TheAsp, what will i have then? |
| 03:59.49 | TheAsp | equnix: alsa? |
| 03:59.50 | anifinder | If I was to want to log all activity on a certain port using iptables (or whatever will work) and using logrotate to keep things tidy, what would I need to do/what would I need to read in order to do that? |
| 04:00.01 | owh | Guerin: If you leave it in its standard format yes, but if you ask it to make them into maildir, it will. It halved my start-up time, which is now down to three minutes :-) |
| 04:00.10 | Guerin | Kerr: try gftp then... or ask in #debian-kde |
| 04:00.15 | TheAsp | anifinder: the syslog man page |
| 04:00.20 | Guerin | owh: owch |
| 04:00.21 | equnix | TheAsp, /dev/alsa? |
| 04:00.32 | TheAsp | equnix: nothing like /dev/dsp |
| 04:00.41 | TheAsp | equnix: /dev/snd/* |
| 04:00.43 | djtech | If you turn on passive mode for http type connect that should display the directory |
| 04:00.54 | anifinder | TheAsp: I don't have a man entry for 'syslog' |
| 04:01.04 | anifinder | I don't think I'm running an old version or anything. |
| 04:01.04 | ireverentReveren | anyone know if certian things need to be enabled in the kernel to get ndiswrapper working?> i cant seem to fund any documentation on this, and the only thing i am doing different now is i removed some stuff from the kernel and now ndiswrapper wont compile... |
| 04:01.08 | owh | Guerin: I've played around a little with moving everything into imap, but that makes it *much* slower. |
| 04:01.08 | guestish | =( |
| 04:01.12 | guestish | no one knows anything about lirc |
| 04:01.16 | TheAsp | anifinder: syslogd |
| 04:01.20 | Kerr | Guerin: I only use konqeror 'cause i've yet to find any light-for-light alternative. |
| 04:01.21 | anifinder | Ah, thanks TheAsp. |
| 04:01.25 | Guerin | owh: archive your old mail |
| 04:01.42 | TheAsp | owh: what server? |
| 04:01.49 | Guerin | owh: cut your inbox down so it only stores a month worth of mail |
| 04:01.55 | owh | Guerin: You tell me how I can archive it in such a way that I can still search it and I'm all ears. |
| 04:02.05 | equnix | TheAsp, how do i connect rhythmbox to /dev/snd/[device?]? |
| 04:02.14 | Guerin | owh: oh, ffs, it's trivial. |
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| 04:02.25 | anifinder | To solve my mail problems, I just started using Gmail. |
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| 04:02.30 | TheAsp | equnix: set it up to use alsa in the gstreamer setup thing |
| 04:02.51 | equnix | what's the pipeline? |
| 04:02.52 | owh | TheAsp: I tried several. My box is currently running imapd. |
| 04:02.58 | equnix | alsa isn't on the list |
| 04:03.00 | TheAsp | owh: use courier, with a maildir |
| 04:03.02 | equnix | only oss or custom |
| 04:03.07 | Kerr | i've six gmail invites to burn on the horribly low chance that anyone here needs one.. |
| 04:03.16 | TheAsp | equnix: install the alsa plugin for gstreamer |
| 04:03.24 | guestish | why me? =( |
| 04:03.28 | mwilson | Why would anyone want one? |
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| 04:03.53 | guestish | i guess i have to resort to lirc's mailing list... |
| 04:03.54 | guestish | bah |
| 04:03.58 | guestish | i hate mailing lists |
| 04:04.10 | anifinder | guestish: What are you trying to do? |
| 04:04.14 | owh | Guerin: How so? I can move the folders out of evolution, but then I don't have off-line access to them either. These days I have resorted to using mairix to search my mail, then put the result into an Evolution folder, then look at that. |
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| 04:04.35 | TheAsp | i'd love to get key repeat going right with the ati_remote module |
| 04:04.46 | owh | TheAsp: I tried that, but for some reason, I forget why, it didn't work for me. |
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| 04:04.51 | guestish | anifinder: configure lirc correctly, i have everything but the config file |
| 04:04.51 | Guerin | owh: subfolders |
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| 04:05.03 | guestish | anifinder: for some reason the dev/input config file i have doent work |
| 04:05.03 | equnix | TheAsp, it's installed (gstreamer-alsa) but i still doesn't have more choices |
| 04:05.04 | owh | Guerin: They are in sub folders. |
| 04:05.09 | guestish | i dont know why |
| 04:05.16 | guestish | i am recieving the lirc signals |
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| 04:05.22 | owh | Guerin: Last count there were 200 of them. |
| 04:05.24 | Guerin | owh: and i'm not talking about how to make evolution fast - that's basically impossible |
| 04:05.43 | owh | Guerin: I understand, you're talking about archiving them... |
| 04:06.01 | owh | s/them/mail/ |
| 04:06.17 | TheAsp | equnix: you sure its installed? |
| 04:06.29 | Guerin | so what's the issue? Use a mua which doens't have to build or read a big index on start |
| 04:06.41 | equnix | TheAsp, yes: Ställer in gstreamer-alsa (0.6.4-5.1) ... which means Setting up gstreamer-alsa (0.6.4-5.1) ... |
| 04:06.49 | TheAsp | equnix: gstreamer0.8-alsa for sarge/sid? |
| 04:06.53 | djtech | doing the net install of Debian sarge its great! |
| 04:07.02 | owh | Guerin: I've been looking for two years and I've not found one yet. |
| 04:07.07 | guestish | anifinder: no idea eh? |
| 04:07.08 | equnix | oh! |
| 04:07.30 | TheAsp | equnix: if you had oss emulation turned on you would have /dev/dsp |
| 04:07.40 | equnix | TheAsp, i understand. thank you |
| 04:07.48 | TheAsp | i dont understand why people compile custom kernels without know that kinda stuff |
| 04:08.36 | jci | TheAsp: sometimes people get into that adventure |
| 04:08.51 | jci | without knowing what they are doing :-/ |
| 04:09.28 | anifinder | I don't understand why people get a kick out of directing 80mbits of traffic to my server |
| 04:09.29 | Guerin | owh: hoarder :) |
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| 04:10.03 | djtech | at least your are getting some attention |
| 04:10.09 | owh | Guerin: I wish. More a case of clients asking silly questions that have already been answered and doing a search is *far* quicker than answering it again :-) |
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| 04:10.40 | TheAsp | owh: sounds like your real problem is your clients |
| 04:10.41 | TheAsp | :) |
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| 04:11.08 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 04:11.18 | _blue | hey, what do you guys think about this deal for a laptop??? http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys/i/2005/01/21/8168.html |
| 04:11.26 | djtech | so anyone using debain as just a nat router and file server only |
| 04:11.43 | owh | Let me ask the combined consciousness what GUI email clients they use that are stable, have calendering, contacts and rdf feeds. Syncing with multisync is a bonus. |
| 04:11.46 | nvz | are torrents plaintext files? |
| 04:12.02 | owh | TheAsp: I'd give them up, but they pay the bills :-) |
| 04:12.04 | dirthead | djtech: I'm using debian as just a fileserver |
| 04:12.04 | Guerin | nvz: no, they're binary. but some metadata is in cleartext |
| 04:12.12 | Lestat^O^ | I knwo its linux but: how can I see if a process is running or not on windows in dos-batch script? |
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| 04:12.40 | nvz | I think I just downloaded the php script that was supposed to direct me to the torrent ;P |
| 04:12.42 | mattybats | Kerr: i'll take one of those invites if you still got it |
| 04:12.49 | carnage | how do i mount an ntfs partition so i can write to it? |
| 04:12.54 | TheAsp | owh: I like evolution :) |
| 04:13.02 | djtech | I currently use Kyzo {pizzabox} its great does auto install of cdroms and music cd's but I wish I could do it all in one box. |
| 04:13.03 | owh | ROTFL |
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| 04:13.19 | TheAsp | and like i said i use it with imap |
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| 04:13.58 | djtech | pizzabox boots off of a 8 meg flashchip or usb pin |
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| 04:14.28 | carnage | this is what i have in my fstab right now but it doesn't work for write access: /dev/hda1 /mnt/ntfs ntfs users,owner,rw,umask=000 0 0 |
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| 04:14.54 | nvz | I guess I got the right file |
| 04:14.58 | owh | TheAsp: There are two accounts on this workstation, the other has all of 100MB of email, uses imap, is *very* slow to start - you know in terms of reading about four mailboxes over imap. Hence my reluctance to move my 2.1GB of mail into imap :-| |
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| 04:15.53 | owh | TheAsp: I looked seriously at using imap, because that would allow me to change my email client with little impact in my work-flow, but I just couldn't find anything that actually worked. |
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| 04:16.08 | TheAsp | owh: evolution caches the indexes |
| 04:16.27 | owh | TheAsp: And it doesn't make it any faster :-) |
| 04:16.32 | dirthead | djtech: sounds pretty cool, but how much does it cost? |
| 04:16.38 | TheAsp | owh: did you use courier? |
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| 04:16.50 | TheAsp | i hear cyrus is good too |
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| 04:17.11 | cthulfuego | cyrus is good up until a certain point |
| 04:17.15 | Guerin | hrm, I don't think mutt reads indexes and shit. Wouldn't be good with imap though. |
| 04:17.22 | djtech | thats the kick it cost bucks! but you can download a demo and get a key! |
| 04:17.25 | owh | TheAsp: I tried them both about a year ago, uwmap or whatever it's called also. |
| 04:17.27 | cthulfuego | if it's db3 index goes, you lose info on what mail is read and what isn't. |
| 04:17.39 | TheAsp | owh: actually you said earier you didnt get it working |
| 04:17.56 | cthulfuego | s/it's/its/ |
| 04:17.57 | TheAsp | cthulfuego: thats rather crappy |
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| 04:18.12 | cthulfuego | TheAsp: Tell me about it. It's why I switched to courier. |
| 04:18.15 | owh | TheAsp: No, more a case of I installed it and tried it and something didn't work. |
| 04:18.16 | TheAsp | owh: and did you put your mail in a maildir? |
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| 04:18.37 | owh | TheAsp: It is now, but unfortunately within Evolution. |
| 04:18.41 | djtech | I am thinking about getting it just because of the way it imports music CD's it's very good. I am a Audio Eng and do live concerts and DJ so the music cd import is a big thing for me |
| 04:18.49 | TheAsp | owh: that isnt maildir |
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| 04:19.20 | owh | TheAsp: It is. But it appears no longer to be supported in the 2.x range of Evolution. |
| 04:19.50 | TheAsp | owh: i have mbox files in my evolution dirs... |
| 04:19.57 | owh | My challenge is two fold: Get the email out of Evolution. Find an imap server to replace the back end. |
| 04:20.16 | TheAsp | get the imap working |
| 04:20.17 | owh | TheAsp: If you click on the properties, you'll note that you can have maildir also. |
| 04:20.20 | TheAsp | drage the email over |
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| 04:20.24 | TheAsp | in evolution |
| 04:20.36 | TheAsp | owh: yes, but thats not what it is using for your mail |
| 04:20.42 | owh | All 2.1GB of it, in 200 folders ? |
| 04:20.42 | Guerin | I think imap would be ok if you kept each maildir fairly small ... less than a few thousand messages, perhaps |
| 04:20.54 | Guerin | that seems unrealistic, though |
| 04:21.21 | Kerr | Guerin: FTP hangs after loading the directory listing in entering passive mode. Why do i get the feeling my uni have closed yet more ports on me ? |
| 04:21.21 | FsckIt | owh: what format is it in now, again? |
| 04:21.24 | owh | TheAsp: It is inside the ~/evolution folder. I know because mairix supports maildir and I use it to stuff an Evolution folder with search results. |
| 04:21.33 | Guerin | Kerr: find out |
| 04:21.42 | owh | FsckIt: Currently my mail is inside Evolution as maildir. |
| 04:21.51 | cthulfuego | Oh, and mutt as well. |
| 04:21.55 | TheAsp | owh: that doesnt sound like you know what you are talking about |
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| 04:22.10 | TheAsp | owh: unless you just made a dir in there for maildir... |
| 04:22.15 | Guerin | owh: use local maildires, mutt and rgrep :) |
| 04:22.20 | owh | TheAsp: Which version of Evolution are you running? |
| 04:22.23 | guestish | oy |
| 04:22.24 | TheAsp | owh: 2 |
| 04:22.30 | TheAsp | owh: used to run 1... |
| 04:22.33 | FsckIt | owh: directory with subdirectories named new, tmp, and cur? |
| 04:22.39 | owh | TheAsp: It does no longer support different mail folders. |
| 04:22.43 | owh | FsckIt: Yes |
| 04:22.45 | cthulfuego | Fucking stockwatch.de |
| 04:22.55 | FsckIt | owh: and what problem are you having, again? |
| 04:23.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:23.21 | Guerin | once more for the people in the cheap seats |
| 04:23.32 | TheAsp | heh |
| 04:23.48 | owh | FsckIt: I cannot migrate from 1.4.6 to 2.x because Evolution is broken. I cannot get my mail out of Evolution in any sane way I know of and I've not found an imap server up to serving 2.1GB of email in 200 folders. |
| 04:24.05 | skiesfalling | should the ppp logs be in /var/log/ppp? |
| 04:24.06 | Kerr | Guerin: i don't want to talk to my netadmin. i'm afraid his stupidity may be contageous. |
| 04:24.09 | FsckIt | Guerin: sssh.. I just got here |
| 04:24.16 | Guerin | FsckIt: :) |
| 04:24.43 | Guerin | Kerr: if you're not immune to the stupidity virus, chances are you're already stupid, so go and ask. |
| 04:24.47 | FsckIt | owh: well, if it's all in a maildir, then there's no worry about getting it out of Evolution.. it's all in the Maildir |
| 04:25.05 | Guerin | yeah, getting the mail out of evilution is a piece of cake |
| 04:25.10 | cthulfuego | "/^.*stockwatch\.de/ REJECT Message rejected Irritating german spam we did not ask for from people who seem to not understand unsubscribe requests. THIS IS FUCK OFF MESSAGE #42036-1" |
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| 04:25.28 | Kerr | Guerin: Last time i asked my net was shut down for two weeks with the excuse of my having a w32 trojan. |
| 04:25.30 | Guerin | cthulfuego: quality |
| 04:25.37 | FsckIt | owh: as to the 2.1GB of mail in the 200 folders.. that's an entirely different problem than Evolution (i.e. you'll have that same problem with any MUA) |
| 04:25.42 | TheAsp | cthulfuego: heh |
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| 04:25.51 | owh | FsckIt: But I suspect that I don't understand enough of the maildir format to maintain my hierarchy of folders, or should I just play dumb and ignore the structure, leave it all as it is and point xyz imap server at it? |
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| 04:26.11 | Kerr | Guerin: how do you deal with people so moronic? |
| 04:26.12 | TheAsp | your mua takes care of that |
| 04:26.16 | FsckIt | owh: how's that again? |
| 04:26.24 | owh | FsckIt: I used to use Eudora, that had no problems. |
| 04:26.31 | Guerin | owh: yeah. Just copy the toplevel maildirs and retain everything. |
| 04:26.36 | Kerr | nyeh? |
| 04:26.48 | FsckIt | Guerin: don't forget dot directories |
| 04:26.50 | Guerin | Kerr: I try not to... |
| 04:26.57 | Guerin | FsckIt: oh yeah, recursively |
| 04:27.04 | TheStar | owh: I tried to import Outlook into Eudora... Lost the calender :( |
| 04:27.10 | FsckIt | Guerin: not exactly... |
| 04:27.25 | cthulfuego | TheAsp: How weird. Eudora has no calendaring. |
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| 04:27.30 | owh | TheStar: That would be because Eudora doesn't have a calendar :-) |
| 04:27.31 | Kerr | 4:22am .. i'ma get me some sleep. |
| 04:27.34 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. you want to handle the imap situation first, or do you want to learn a bit about Maildir first? |
| 04:27.48 | owh | FsckIt: Lets start with imap. |
| 04:27.54 | TheStar | owh: Yes... But what about the original left behind in outlook... :( |
| 04:27.56 | Xenguy | . o O ( Eudora is a d0ze program, no? ) |
| 04:27.58 | Bog_ | -skiesfalling- DCC Send Very Funny.HTM (220.235.54.63) |
| 04:28.04 | TheStar | Xenguy: It's cross-platform. |
| 04:28.10 | TheStar | Xenguy: But I reckon it's best on windows |
| 04:28.21 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. first of all.. have a server to host it? planning on running it locally? what plans did you have? |
| 04:28.21 | Xenguy | TheStar: it runs on linux these days? |
| 04:28.24 | TheStar | Xenguy: It supports apop passwords, which is nice. |
| 04:28.32 | TheStar | Xenguy: Not sure, but I know that it runs on mac os x. |
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| 04:28.42 | Guerin | FsckIt: um, cp -a /home/postfix/virtual/host/user worksforme |
| 04:28.44 | Bog_ | can I use apt-get to get a package from the unstable tree? |
| 04:28.52 | Xenguy | TheStar: this is linux/debian ffs, not mac or d0ze |
| 04:28.59 | owh | FsckIt: It needs to run locally. 1.3GHz Celeron 512MB RAM 20GB hdd. |
| 04:29.23 | Guerin | eudora is shite anyway |
| 04:29.34 | Xenguy | jesuz christ yes |
| 04:29.40 | TheStar | Guerin: It's quite nice on windows. |
| 04:29.40 | FsckIt | Guerin: it will.. but I meant that maildir doesn't map INBOX.Some.Folder.Structure to Maildir/.Some/.Folder/.Structure/{new, cur, tmp} |
| 04:29.49 | simonrvn | it's the least evil of offerings in mock os pre-10 |
| 04:29.50 | Xenguy | like fricken 80's fergawdsakes |
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| 04:29.56 | Guerin | FsckIt: oh |
| 04:30.15 | Guerin | TheStar: no, it's not. i used it. |
| 04:30.17 | owh | FsckIt: Currently I have imapd installed, feels pretty slow. |
| 04:30.32 | djtech | the best Email client I ever used was for OS2 but know one use's that anymore. |
| 04:30.41 | Xenguy | TheStar: do we come here for windows? |
| 04:30.53 | FsckIt | owh: ok, this might be a a stupid question, but why use imap if you are going to run it locally (not that there aren't reasons, I'm just curious what yours is) |
| 04:30.56 | owh | FsckIt: I was even looking at using a database behind the scenes so it doesn't need to index on each launch. |
| 04:31.00 | mwilson | The more mail you keep, the more you realize that something like mutt is the only way to manage it. |
| 04:31.05 | Guerin | yeah, local imap is a waste of time |
| 04:31.16 | FsckIt | Guerin: not necessarily |
| 04:31.16 | TheStar | Xenguy: No, we come in here to talk, generally, and to assist others. |
| 04:31.21 | mwilson | Guerin: not so. |
| 04:31.25 | TheStar | Xenguy: It happens to be predominantly linux. |
| 04:31.26 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: 'mh' |
| 04:31.26 | Guerin | FsckIt: in his case it is. |
| 04:31.30 | simonrvn | Guerin: um, no |
| 04:31.30 | Xenguy | TheStar: get on-topic, not off-topc |
| 04:31.31 | Bog_ | how can I use apt-get to install a package from unstable? |
| 04:31.38 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: More evil, but also cooler. |
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| 04:31.38 | mwilson | Guerin: I run local imap... that way I can read mail from any box in the house. |
| 04:31.41 | Xenguy | TheStar: or go away |
| 04:31.44 | owh | FsckIt: Well, I'm trying to speed up my email experience, and make it independent of which client I use, so I don't get locked into a crappy client like I am now. |
| 04:31.45 | Guerin | It has its uses, but speeding up access to mail does not seem to be one of them. |
| 04:31.47 | FsckIt | Guerin: well, I don't know that until I figure out his case :-) |
| 04:32.14 | Guerin | his problems are essentially that he has 2.1 G of mail. It's already local. Putting it behind an imapd won't help that. |
| 04:32.15 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: uh hunh. riight. i'm going to take advice/input from a wannabe slimeball with arms ;P |
| 04:32.16 | TheStar | owh: imap is possibly the only one I could suggest, unless it has alreaeyd been suggested... |
| 04:32.16 | djtech | yes you just have to edit the site in the config for apt-get don't remember the name off hand |
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| 04:32.26 | owh | Hey, I even looked at using web-mail. |
| 04:32.27 | TheStar | owh: Ahh, ignore what I said :( |
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| 04:32.47 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: i'm just kidding |
| 04:32.48 | owh | Guerin: I agree. |
| 04:33.18 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: mutt does mh ;) |
| 04:33.34 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. Guerin's right about the speed factor.. 2.1 GB of mail is going to be an issue, and putting another program (the imap server) between your client and the mail itself, isn't going to speed things up |
| 04:33.49 | Guerin | basically, all I can suggest is that you use maildir and never shut your mua down so it never has to rebuild the indexes and caches |
| 04:34.00 | djtech | dam-small linux which I think is based on debian has a version you can order flash onto a 128meg usb pin drive for 49.00 bucks thats kind of cool! |
| 04:34.07 | owh | As I see it the issue is that Evolution wants to index everything on every launch. |
| 04:34.15 | ireverentReveren | is it common for options in the kernel to disappear from kernel version to kernel version? i swear i saw a i8k module in the kernel, but that might have been 2.6.8, not 2.6.10 which i am working with now... |
| 04:34.17 | simonrvn | djtech: excuse me? |
| 04:34.19 | skiesfalling | is the mail already on ur machine? or is it still on ur mail server? |
| 04:34.20 | mwilson | No, the issue is that Evolution is crap. |
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| 04:34.22 | Bog_ | how long should it take to install Nessus? |
| 04:34.27 | djtech | yes |
| 04:34.29 | Guerin | owh: never shut it down --> no problem :) |
| 04:34.31 | TheStar | skiesfalling: It's already local. |
| 04:34.32 | mwilson | !ur |
| 04:34.32 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 04:34.41 | owh | Guerin: ROTFL |
| 04:34.44 | FsckIt | owh: now.. so I know.. your mail is primarily a lot of small messages, right? or is do simply have a large email attachments? |
| 04:34.49 | djtech | simonrvn what? |
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| 04:34.59 | owh | FsckIt: Primarily small messages. |
| 04:35.00 | TheStar | Is it possible to only allow a *single* user to login via ssh? |
| 04:35.10 | Xenguy | TheStar: sure |
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| 04:35.16 | FsckIt | owh: and also, you said you like Evolution, or dislike it? |
| 04:35.35 | TheStar | Xenguy: Thanks. |
| 04:35.37 | Xenguy | TheStar: I take that partially back... |
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| 04:35.58 | Xenguy | TheStar: limit by Username and IP -- does that work for your purposes? |
| 04:35.58 | Guerin | TheStar: anything's possible |
| 04:36.25 | owh | FsckIt: I came from Eudora, I took a year to select Evolution. I've used it now for two years. It still seems buggy but I don't know of any replacement with the same functionality. If I can improve my email experience, I don't really care either way. |
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| 04:36.37 | TheStar | Xenguy: Username alone works for me. |
| 04:36.46 | Xenguy | TheStar: OK... |
| 04:36.47 | TheStar | Guerin: Without editing c code :) |
| 04:36.55 | owh | FsckIt: I spend *a lot* of time in email. |
| 04:37.02 | Xenguy | TheStar: see /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and use 'AllowUsers' |
| 04:37.02 | FsckIt | owh: ok, which other clients have you tried? (and for each, like or dislike) |
| 04:37.07 | FsckIt | owh: I can tell :-) |
| 04:37.08 | spl0it | exit |
| 04:37.10 | djtech | Question I map is mainly for windows security right! |
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| 04:37.17 | djtech | imap |
| 04:37.19 | jezus | i made a swap partion...the main menu still says...no linux partion detected...so i goto make a partion again and it says..."repartition rge disk" you have activated swap partitions on /dev/hda1/....etc..so i select yes..and it takes me back to cfdisk...and i see the 1 nda partition...but it wont let me create any other. |
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| 04:37.30 | jezus | trying to do debian install |
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| 04:37.34 | FsckIt | djtech: no, it's mainly for reading your email |
| 04:37.34 | Guerin | djtech: no; it's a Mail Access Protocol |
| 04:37.53 | jezus | *partition |
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| 04:38.08 | jezus | *the |
| 04:38.10 | Guerin | jezus: which installer are you using? |
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| 04:38.18 | jezus | latest stable |
| 04:38.19 | djtech | I understand the access protocol but I thought it was formed for working with windows systems and thats how it became a standard |
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| 04:38.26 | Guerin | jezus: are you building a server? |
| 04:38.30 | jezus | no |
| 04:38.31 | owh | FsckIt: Well Thunderbird seems improved from Mozilla Mail which is way too heavy, but Thunderbird doesn't have calendering AFAIK and of course actually migrating all my email to test is a little challenging. I've also tried kmail, sylpheed, both seem too light weight. I know of no others that remotely come close. |
| 04:38.45 | Guerin | jezus: /msg dpkg d-i - that installer is way better |
| 04:38.51 | FsckIt | owh: oh, and which imapd do you have installed? |
| 04:39.03 | TheStar | owh: Is a calender in the mail client required (how does it help?) |
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| 04:39.17 | owh | FsckIt: The reason for investigating migrating to imap is so I can change clients and test them without impacting on my work-flow. |
| 04:39.24 | daft_ | Guerin, well there are bugs in the new one |
| 04:39.26 | owh | FsckIt: Currently imapd. |
| 04:39.42 | Guerin | daft_: there's bugs in everything the rc2 is pretty good. |
| 04:39.42 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. first of all, uninstall imapd, and install courier instead |
| 04:39.49 | owh | FsckIt: Make that uw-imapd. |
| 04:39.50 | jezus | like |
| 04:39.54 | jezus | i cant do anything |
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| 04:40.10 | owh | TheStar: Well yes, because appointments come in with email. |
| 04:40.14 | jezus | like its says its not even mounted |
| 04:40.24 | dondelelcaro | or use dovecot |
| 04:40.31 | owh | FsckIt: What will that do for existing uw-imapd mail boxes? |
| 04:40.42 | jezus | so i go to mount and it doesnt detect anything\ |
| 04:40.52 | simonrvn | djtech: google RFC IMAP |
| 04:40.52 | cthulfuego | owh: they're just mbox mailboxes. |
| 04:41.07 | TheStar | owh: So, are they filled in automatically, or do you read email, then manually assign appointments? |
| 04:41.08 | owh | cthulfuego: Cool, tah |
| 04:41.09 | Guerin | jezus: what specific mount command are you using, and what specific error does it yield? |
| 04:41.10 | TheStar | owh: How does it work? |
| 04:41.30 | owh | TheStar: Manual, but contacts are shared across both. |
| 04:41.31 | FsckIt | owh: secondly, get Thunderbird, and then install the Calendar extension available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/download.html |
| 04:41.40 | owh | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your help earlier. |
| 04:41.46 | Xenguy | TheStar: I should have added also, 'man sshd_config' |
| 04:41.48 | TheStar | owh: Ahh, that's nice. Although, I'd assume that the same would happen with ldap. |
| 04:41.50 | jezus | i didnt make any command |
| 04:41.53 | TheStar | Xenguy: That I did :) |
| 04:41.56 | jaredj | anyone know where usermode linux people hang out? |
| 04:42.01 | Guerin | heh, I still think you should just use maildirs, mutt and rgrep :) |
| 04:42.05 | djtech | ok will do! just wondered, I run my own server but I don't use Imap because I know nothing about it and don't have the time to learn right now HA!! but I do want to learn someday! |
| 04:42.09 | dondelelcaro | owh: np |
| 04:42.11 | jezus | i went to mount previously intialized partition |
| 04:42.13 | TheStar | Xenguy: You said yes, and I checked. Should've done the reverse... |
| 04:42.18 | TheStar | Check then ask. |
| 04:42.27 | FsckIt | owh: you have imapd mailboxes.. I thought you still were in the process of setting all this up? |
| 04:42.37 | daft_ | jezus, your in the installer right what installer are you using (sable or testing) and where are you in the process |
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| 04:42.52 | jezus | stable |
| 04:42.58 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Ever used mh? |
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| 04:43.07 | Guerin | cthulfuego: nope. |
| 04:43.09 | owh | FsckIt: There is one account with some uw-imapd mailboxes, but if its an issue, we can migrate that manually, only 100MB. |
| 04:43.12 | maher | jezus: you need to make another partition |
| 04:43.13 | cthulfuego | Guerin: maildir |
| 04:43.16 | Xenguy | TheStar: yer more than welcome :P |
| 04:43.24 | Guerin | cthulfuego: maildir++, ain't it? |
| 04:43.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:43.25 | daft_ | jezus, what partitons do you have made |
| 04:43.31 | maher | jezus: get back to fdisk |
| 04:43.32 | jezus | daft i have a unmount swap partition labeled /dev/hda1 |
| 04:43.33 | cthulfuego | Guerin: maildir-like setup, different mail binaries for viewing, sending, searching, moving ... all pipe-able. |
| 04:43.36 | jezus | thats it |
| 04:43.49 | jetscreamer | jezus, is this an sis based motherboard? and did you do vanilla or bf24 |
| 04:43.53 | jezus | no |
| 04:43.56 | jezus | asus |
| 04:43.59 | daft_ | jezus, no root linux partiton |
| 04:44.10 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. I'm not sure how uw-imapd stores the mail, but I am sure that we can get it out of there |
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| 04:44.16 | cthulfuego | FsckIt: mbox |
| 04:44.18 | jezus | no |
| 04:44.30 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:44.35 | owh | FsckIt: How does courier store its mail? |
| 04:44.38 | FsckIt | cthulfuego: in /var/spool/mail ? |
| 04:44.40 | jezus | but |
| 04:44.42 | FsckIt | owh: Maildir format |
| 04:44.43 | Guerin | if you were feeling super leet, you could put all your mail in a rdb |
| 04:44.47 | maher | jezus: get in to fdisk and try and make another partition - tell us the error youget |
| 04:44.51 | jezus | thats the whole problem |
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| 04:45.00 | FsckIt | Guerin: I thought about that, actually... |
| 04:45.04 | daft_ | and it cant mount it? try look at the debug window ctrl-alt 2/3/4 some thinng |
| 04:45.05 | cthulfuego | FsckIt: {INBOX} normally is.. and then it has a ~/Mail/<folders> too. |
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| 04:45.12 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: or enjoy things in a format that can't possible be resucued if everything goes to hell... |
| 04:45.14 | jezus | partition is laready in use |
| 04:45.16 | owh | Guerin: Believe me, I've seriously considered it. Someone even wrote a mysql/imap server. |
| 04:45.21 | Guerin | FsckIt: for an operation of this scale, it might almost be worthwhile... |
| 04:45.21 | jezus | *is |
| 04:45.31 | xpurple | Hello? |
| 04:45.32 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
| 04:45.41 | maher | jezus: are you in fdisk at the moment |
| 04:45.45 | jezus | yes |
| 04:45.49 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: which it can qiuite easily, with *sql |
| 04:45.51 | FsckIt | owh: I wouldn't dare use it on mysql... have to be a postgresql backend, but that's another discussion |
| 04:45.57 | TheStar | Is it safe to disable services such as: discard, time, daytime ? |
| 04:46.01 | cthulfuego | Yes, my mail store needs stored procedures! Oracle all the way! |
| 04:46.06 | cthulfuego | TheStar: yes |
| 04:46.07 | maher | jezus: how many partitions are there |
| 04:46.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:46.13 | TheStar | cthulfuego: What are they used for? |
| 04:46.13 | owh | cthulfuego: ROTFL |
| 04:46.15 | cthulfuego | TheStar: Theyr'e disabled by default these days. |
| 04:46.15 | simonrvn | TheStar: it's recommended to do so |
| 04:46.17 | jezus | 1 |
| 04:46.20 | daft_ | jezus, run a shell and type free is there a swap noted? |
| 04:46.21 | Guerin | TheStar: less /etc/services |
| 04:46.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... this is why maildir is so much nicer... speed, without the opaque format. |
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| 04:46.35 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: new sarge installs, yes |
| 04:46.40 | TheStar | cthulfuego: Not on woody. |
| 04:46.47 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so your mail is in mbox format in /var/spool/mail and in ~/Mail.. no biggie there |
| 04:46.49 | jezus | swap: 0 0 0 |
| 04:46.56 | cthulfuego | TheStar: Indeed. I did say "these days" not "2 years ago" ;-) |
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| 04:47.13 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: and way less overhead, less complexity, no locking/server availability issues... |
| 04:47.14 | maher | jezus: what happens when you try and create a new partition? (i think its a for add) |
| 04:47.20 | owh | FsckIt: No, my mail is in ~/evolution |
| 04:47.23 | TheStar | cthulfuego: I like your humour :) |
| 04:47.23 | FsckIt | owh: if I were you, I'd configure your courier install to use $HOME/Maildir for the mail directory |
| 04:47.31 | xpurple | Can someone give me a hand? I'm using proftpd, and tried to disable user logins (ssh) by setting shells to /bin/false. Now they can't ftp in either. I'm at a loss as I thought this worked before. |
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| 04:47.39 | FsckIt | owh: I meant, with the account with the uw-imapd mail |
| 04:47.44 | owh | Ah |
| 04:47.45 | l0ke | i have a list from dpkg --get-selections that i want apt to remove all those files, how can i write the command? |
| 04:47.50 | cthulfuego | xpurple: Make sure /bin/false it in /etc/shells |
| 04:47.55 | xpurple | ahhh! |
| 04:47.55 | daft_ | jezus, try swapon -a afterthat free again |
| 04:48.00 | Guerin | xpurple: you've got it all wrong |
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| 04:48.08 | Xenguy | xpurple: have you considered vsftpd instead ;-) |
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| 04:48.17 | jezus | ok ok |
| 04:48.21 | jezus | i got 2 |
| 04:48.21 | xpurple | Xenguy: Never heard of it, what's better about it? |
| 04:48.29 | jezus | 38gig |
| 04:48.33 | jezus | linux |
| 04:48.34 | FsckIt | xpurple: look at the RequireValidShells directive |
| 04:48.40 | jezus | 31 free space |
| 04:48.47 | jezus | *3.1 |
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| 04:48.56 | l0ke | i have a list of installed packages that i want to remove, how can i phrase the command to have apt remove all the packages in the list? |
| 04:48.57 | Guerin | yeah ... I think RequireValidSHells is 'no' by default |
| 04:49.03 | owh | FsckIt: Does courier import, or do I need to run uw-imapd side-by-side? |
| 04:49.03 | maher | jezus: you have two partitions? |
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| 04:49.04 | xpurple | Cool, adding /bin/false to /etc/shells did the trick. I knew it was something stupid like that. |
| 04:49.10 | Xenguy | xpurple: more light-weight, secure, and superior code from what I've been able to research, but YMMV as they say |
| 04:49.17 | jezus | yes |
| 04:49.24 | jezus | i just did tha |
| 04:49.24 | xpurple | YMMV? |
| 04:49.24 | jezus | t |
| 04:49.28 | cthulfuego | Guerin: If that was the problem, having /bin/false as ashell shouldn't prevent ftp though. |
| 04:49.28 | maher | jezus: swap and what's the oter one |
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| 04:49.33 | simonrvn | @ymmv |
| 04:49.34 | ravenbird | i guess ymmv is your mileage may vary |
| 04:49.35 | Xenguy | Your Mileage May Vary |
| 04:49.35 | glor | xpurple: out of curiosity, why do you want ftp but not ssh? |
| 04:49.35 | Guerin | but proftpd has a nice config file... if you like apache config. |
| 04:49.41 | jezus | free space |
| 04:49.43 | FsckIt | owh: no, and no.. we're just going to get the mail off the hard drive directly |
| 04:49.59 | cthulfuego | glor: web hosting, ftp chroot? |
| 04:50.02 | xpurple | glor: So users can upload webpages, but not ssh in (99% of them don't even know what ssh is) |
| 04:50.05 | Guerin | !tell dansushi about away |
| 04:50.09 | owh | FsckIt: Ok, I'm game, it's all backed up... |
| 04:50.10 | Xenguy | xpurple: also vsftpd can do SSL enabled FTP |
| 04:50.14 | cthulfuego | the prostitution rests |
| 04:50.21 | xpurple | That's tempting. |
| 04:50.22 | maher | jezus: free space is not a partition - type the command to add a partition - its either a or n |
| 04:50.35 | FsckIt | cthulfuego: b*tch better get my money! |
| 04:50.41 | jezus | make another primary? |
| 04:50.53 | daft_ | jezus, YES |
| 04:51.11 | jezus | make the smaller bootable? |
| 04:51.14 | Guerin | xpurple: I'd recommend encrypted ftp... just in case someone needs hsell access and you have to turn it on sometime. |
| 04:51.25 | maher | jezus: no |
| 04:51.38 | cthulfuego | Guerin: clients never "need" shell access. |
| 04:51.42 | xpurple | GueVolt: Does FrontPage support that? |
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| 04:51.52 | Guerin | cthulfuego: i guess if it's not in their package... |
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| 04:52.03 | FsckIt | owh: so, anyway.. I highly suggest courier imapd, and I recommend against uw-imapd. |
| 04:52.13 | TheStar | What's a good tripwire? (free, preferably for woody) |
| 04:52.23 | Guerin | TheStar: apt-ccache search tripwire |
| 04:52.27 | simonrvn | TheStar: eh? |
| 04:52.31 | Guerin | whatever the fuck you might mean by that |
| 04:52.35 | simonrvn | tripwire is free |
| 04:52.44 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: Is it in woody? |
| 04:52.45 | Guerin | TheStar: I recommend piano wire |
| 04:52.45 | TheStar | I was told it was commercial... |
| 04:52.50 | jezus | make the big partition bootable? |
| 04:52.55 | simonrvn | cthulfuego: don't remember |
| 04:52.55 | daft_ | jezus, YES |
| 04:53.00 | FsckIt | TheStar: copper, about 10 gauge |
| 04:53.02 | cthulfuego | TheStar: 'integrit' is in woody. |
| 04:53.02 | simonrvn | !find tripwire woody |
| 04:53.04 | cthulfuego | simonrvn: I do. |
| 04:53.05 | TheStar | Nope, tripwire is not in woody. |
| 04:53.09 | TheStar | cthulfuego: What's integrit like? |
| 04:53.14 | cthulfuego | TheStar: Works fine for me. |
| 04:53.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tripwire' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/nessus/plugins/tripwire_webpage.nasl) in admin/nessus-plugins ;; (/usr/share/doc/appunti-informatica-libera/html/tripwire.html) in doc/appunti-informatica-libera. |
| 04:53.16 | jezus | main menu says no linux partition detected |
| 04:53.21 | simonrvn | integrit is decent |
| 04:53.22 | owh | FsckIt: apt-get install courier-imap underway... |
| 04:53.24 | jetscreamer | fishing line is superior or however you spell it |
| 04:53.24 | TheStar | Cool. |
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| 04:54.02 | Guerin | naw, fishing line could snap. It has a complex relationship with tension. |
| 04:54.20 | simonrvn | yeh. breaks under too much of it |
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| 04:54.50 | jetscreamer | yes... breaks.... |
| 04:54.58 | Guerin | yeah, a lot of its linear strength is to do with its ability to stretch |
| 04:55.00 | cthulfuego | s/5/15/ |
| 04:55.09 | neoego | has anyone had any luck with getting a geforce 6600 working under debian? |
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| 04:55.24 | cthulfuego | neoego: Use the binary nvidia driver. |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | which is why if you take a short length of 10kg test line and try to life a 5kg object with it, it'll often break |
| 04:55.42 | djtech | Hey anyone here ever use http://www.linodes.com/ I host there when I am wanting to do some major playing around you can reinstall your os or create os images for several differnt linux distros. Great place to play with debian |
| 04:56.06 | daft_ | neoego, making the nvidia driver is easy install nvidia-source and read the readme |
| 04:56.08 | jezus | ok |
| 04:56.10 | owh | FsckIt: So, its installed, maildirmake Maildir as the uw-imapd user, now what? |
| 04:56.15 | cthulfuego | Guerin: That makes no sense whatsoever, unless you intentionally bounce the weight. |
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| 04:56.37 | owh | FsckIt: I suspect there is more to it... |
| 04:56.47 | neoego | cthulfuego: I am, but when I run X, the screen goes black, and I can't do anything without logging in with SSH. I don't even think that X is even running. But, the log acts as if it worked fine.. |
| 04:57.09 | cthulfuego | neoego: Did you check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors? |
| 04:57.15 | Xenguy | xpurple: incoming |
| 04:57.16 | Gokee2 | Hey all! How many things are in apt-get at the moment? |
| 04:57.16 | Guerin | cthulfuego: but it IS the case. A lot of strength is lost in knots, but also the strngth varies by length of the test strand. |
| 04:57.34 | daft_ | xpurple, what you call securety peeps with guns have a mutch higher chance to kill them self |
| 04:57.43 | neoego | cthulfuego: yeah.. it looks as if it were working fine. |
| 04:57.44 | cthulfuego | Guerin: if there's a weak bit in a short strand, the chances of there being a weak bit in a longer strand of the same wire are higher. |
| 04:57.47 | nevyn | Gokee2: umm lots. >10,000 |
| 04:57.51 | xpurple | daft_: heh |
| 04:57.54 | FsckIt | owh: as the uw-imapd user? |
| 04:58.03 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
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| 04:58.17 | Gokee2 | nevyn, thanks |
| 04:58.18 | FsckIt | owh: I don't think that part's right |
| 04:58.34 | owh | FsckIt: That's what the README.Debian told me to do... |
| 04:58.47 | FsckIt | owh: for courier imapd? |
| 04:58.49 | owh | FsckIt: It made a maildir folder in the user directory |
| 04:58.52 | cthulfuego | apt-cache search . | wc -l -> 15458 (testing) |
| 04:58.53 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
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| 04:59.08 | Gokee2 | nevyn, mm gentoo has 107,000 :0 |
| 04:59.12 | owh | FsckIt: /usr/share/doc/courier-base/README.Debian |
| 04:59.12 | Guerin | cthulfuego: yeah. A very long length has the ability to stretch, though, which increases the apparent amount of force required to break it. |
| 04:59.49 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Uh, a long piece carries the same weight PLUS the weight of the wire on any point along the wire. |
| 05:00.01 | FsckIt | owh:ok.. well.. the next thing is to configure courier.. unfortunately, I don't have access to an imap server right here and now.. so we're going to muddle through this part :-) |
| 05:00.08 | Guerin | cthulfuego: the weight of monofilament being negligible, however... |
| 05:00.18 | owh | FsckIt: I have no problem with that :-) |
| 05:00.30 | FsckIt | owh: (I always have to read the documentation...) |
| 05:00.32 | GueVolt | xpurple: ?! |
| 05:00.37 | Xenguy | xpurple: this is the URL I was looking for: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/ftp-daemons.html |
| 05:00.37 | cthulfuego | Guerin: .. means it carries the same weight. Same weight at any point, so same chance it breaks. |
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| 05:01.00 | daft_ | jezus, is it working? |
| 05:01.05 | owh | FsckIt: The difference is that you know what is needed, looking up how to do what is needed becomes simpler :-) |
| 05:01.06 | djtech | Not me I want till smoke starts coming out then I find the documentation in the trash! |
| 05:01.18 | FsckIt | owh: :-) |
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| 05:01.52 | djtech | The fun is in the trying! HA! |
| 05:01.52 | owh | FsckIt: The Installer also asked if I needed web configuration and after some consideration I said yes to that. |
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| 05:02.01 | FsckIt | owh: which distro are you running, anyway? stable, testing, unstable? |
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| 05:02.11 | cthulfuego | O M G ! |
| 05:02.11 | owh | FsckIt: Mostly testing. |
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| 05:02.26 | cthulfuego | !bob2smite Penix |
| 05:02.27 | FsckIt | cthulfuego: issues? |
| 05:02.45 | simonrvn | Penix: wenas |
| 05:02.51 | Penix | wenas |
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| 05:03.21 | l0ke | how can i tell home space a directory takes up? |
| 05:03.26 | TheAsp | du -sh |
| 05:03.35 | Xenguy | l0ke: df -h . |
| 05:03.37 | djtech | man I should have selected manual packages now I have appletalk crap trying to install! |
| 05:03.43 | owh | Xenguy: No |
| 05:03.45 | Xenguy | l0ke: ignore that |
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| 05:04.02 | Xenguy | l0 du -h . |
| 05:04.06 | Xenguy | grrrr |
| 05:04.14 | blackmariah | When a program crashes, taking my mouse with it, what's the easiest way to get it back without restarting X? The pointer stays onscreen, but it's frozen. |
| 05:04.15 | owh | ROTFL |
| 05:04.18 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so give me a minute |
| 05:04.24 | owh | FsckIt: NP |
| 05:04.33 | daft_ | blackmariah, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:04.39 | Xenguy | owh: hey, it's late - what can I do but go to sleep ;-) |
| 05:04.39 | djtech | sarge is installing apache2 I heard it was not really stable yet true or false! |
| 05:04.39 | daft_ | ow |
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| 05:04.46 | daft_ | nm |
| 05:04.57 | Guerin | djtech: it's the current stable release... |
| 05:05.00 | dendrite | blackmariah: Of course Ctl+Alt+Backspace kills X. |
| 05:05.01 | owh | blackmariah: Swap to a console with ctrl-alt-f1, then back... |
| 05:05.03 | djtech | ok cool |
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| 05:05.32 | openrealtordude | how can I view all processes running under certain user |
| 05:05.38 | Guerin | openrealtordude: man ps |
| 05:05.40 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so which version of courier do you have installed? |
| 05:05.41 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: wanna buy a house? ;-) |
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| 05:05.53 | openrealtordude | I sell houses |
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| 05:06.02 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: oh well =) |
| 05:06.07 | owh | FsckIt: 3.0.8-3 |
| 05:06.07 | daft_ | Xenguy, drink wiskey? |
| 05:06.18 | roler | what debian package installs the keyboard-media key support say on a laptop? |
| 05:06.21 | Xenguy | daft_: no, only whisky =) |
| 05:06.24 | blackmariah | owh: Thanks. I'll give that a shot next time it happens. I'm modeling in this program Wings3d on a computer with bad memory so it's segfaulting a lot and killing my mouse in the process. |
| 05:06.43 | owh | blackmariah: Better just remove the memory. |
| 05:07.06 | Thaiger | When I try and play a game I get undefined symbol:__glutroot |
| 05:07.18 | openrealtordude | how can I view currently connected ssh session |
| 05:07.18 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: top |
| 05:07.25 | owh | blackmariah: Use the ultimate boot cd to figure out which memory stick is dead. |
| 05:07.29 | blackmariah | owh: Can't afford it right now. :| I'm upgrading the whole comp soon enough, so I can deal for now. |
| 05:07.32 | daft_ | or whisky alsong it is from europe |
| 05:07.32 | openrealtordude | yeah top shows all users I just want to narrow in one one |
| 05:07.35 | djtech | the frist thing I install! is MC |
| 05:07.39 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: re: your previous question |
| 05:07.48 | dendrite | openrealtordude: Man top. |
| 05:08.00 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: run top, the press 'u' and type in the username |
| 05:08.25 | openrealtordude | Xenguy:nice |
| 05:08.39 | owh | Xenguy: Niiice |
| 05:08.50 | djtech | ok I have a new sarge system up and running setup as file, print server and web server! seems to be very fast |
| 05:08.59 | Xenguy | owh: that's another command ;-) |
| 05:09.03 | openrealtordude | how can I view the session of someone logged into my pc with ssh |
| 05:09.13 | owh | Xenguy: ROTFL, go to sleeeeep... |
| 05:09.20 | daft_ | openrealtordude, who |
| 05:09.29 | maher | openrealtordude: you can't easily - use screen in future |
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| 05:09.37 | FsckIt | owh: um, let's do something a bit crazy.. start up imapd with /etc/init.d/courier-imapd start (as root) |
| 05:09.41 | Xenguy | owh: say, what's that watch you are swinging in front of me? |
| 05:09.44 | openrealtordude | screen has to run from the begining? |
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| 05:10.13 | maher | openrealtordude: if you start running screen now you can share it |
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| 05:10.21 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: ? |
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| 05:10.43 | owh | FsckIt: Seems to be running. |
| 05:10.47 | ireverentReveren | what is the key labeled "sysreq" usually for on a keyboard? |
| 05:11.06 | openrealtordude | how does screen work? |
| 05:11.19 | maher | openrealtordude: man screen |
| 05:11.27 | doleyb | ireverentReveren: it's to dump linux debug info, if you're a kernel hacker. |
| 05:11.31 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: it's a *really* useful program... |
| 05:11.33 | TheAsp | openrealtordude: do you want to spy on someone, is that it? |
| 05:11.38 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. delete the Maildir folder you made a bit ago.. and make it again, but as your user, not as the uw-imapd user |
| 05:11.46 | openrealtordude | no no im trying to learn |
| 05:11.54 | openrealtordude | someone is setting up phpgroupware on my pc |
| 05:11.58 | TheAsp | owh: dont dump it, chown it |
| 05:12.01 | asuffield | ireverentReveren: old IBM mainframes. it does not have a real purpose on a PC |
| 05:12.05 | maher | openrealtordude: get them to run screen and let you watch |
| 05:12.07 | openrealtordude | and I just thought it would be cool to watch him work |
| 05:12.09 | Xenguy | openrealtordude: you can open multiple command-line windows in one screen, the 'detach' and 're-attach' from different locations |
| 05:12.13 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 05:12.30 | owh | FsckIt: I did it as the user of the account, not as me, or as the uw-imapd user. It is owned by that user. |
| 05:12.30 | FsckIt | owh: then, use a mail client, and connect to your imapd on localhost (or alternately.. if you want to be really l33t, I'll show you how to test using telnet) |
| 05:12.31 | ireverentReveren | asuffield ah... kinda like the windows key ;-) |
| 05:12.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:12.45 | FsckIt | owh: ok, that's good then |
| 05:12.49 | Guerin | 2.1G of mail over telnet... |
| 05:12.49 | dendrite | ireverentReveren: Read that doc -- sysrq is sometimes VERY useful. |
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| 05:13.01 | owh | FsckIt: Let us do the telnet, I'd rather not test evolution just yet :-| |
| 05:13.12 | FsckIt | Guerin: well, right now.. we're just making sure that imapd is up and running correctly.. |
| 05:13.17 | jezus | lol is there anyway to abort checking for bad blocks? |
| 05:13.21 | owh | FsckIt: I like to be cautious :-) |
| 05:13.21 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so telnet localhost imap |
| 05:13.47 | owh | FsckIt: Yup, IMAP4rev1 ... |
| 05:13.59 | FsckIt | owh: then type in '? login <username> <password>' without the quotes, with the question mark, and fill in the <values> |
| 05:14.26 | owh | FsckIt: Login OK |
| 05:14.35 | owh | Lookin good :-) |
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| 05:14.45 | FsckIt | owh: ? logout |
| 05:14.59 | owh | Whoot :-) |
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| 05:15.36 | owh | FsckIt: So far so good - recalling the same statement from the guy jumping off the Empire State heading past the 40th floor... |
| 05:15.36 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. are you going to be using Thunderbird? (because I still think a problem is with Evolution, but it's your choice) |
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| 05:16.01 | daft_ | xpurple, why shoot your laptop you could make a beamer of the display |
| 05:16.08 | Xenguy | owh: probably using wireless ;-) |
| 05:16.24 | owh | FsckIt: Well, I'm happy to play with thunderbird, but will need to install it. |
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| 05:16.41 | FsckIt | owh: ok, go ahead and install it.. I'll wait a bit :-) |
| 05:17.30 | Marlow | is there any way, how i can preconfigure a specific package during apt-get ? i know fai does it, but i was more looking at how i could do it later on .. on a ready installed system |
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| 05:18.00 | owh | FsckIt: I'm just installing mozilla-thunderbird, none of the recommended packages at this stage? |
| 05:18.39 | FsckIt | owh: what version is that, again? (I usually get the tarball from mozilla.org, and install into /opt) |
| 05:18.44 | wntd | Hrm, is Gmail down for anyone else? |
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| 05:18.59 | l0ke | wntd, yes |
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| 05:19.07 | owh | FsckIt: 0.9-6 |
| 05:19.12 | l0ke | wntd, i think its up again tho |
| 05:19.25 | FsckIt | owh: yeah, I'd get the one from mozilla.org.. it's at 1.0 |
| 05:19.30 | gameover | woody is 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 05:19.31 | skiesfalling | why do i get "serial line looped back" when tring to connect via pppd? |
| 05:19.37 | l0ke | gameover, 2.4 |
| 05:20.06 | wntd | l0ke: huh, I'm able to login to google.com/accounts but not Gmail. At least I know my account's not borked |
| 05:20.09 | wntd | :) |
| 05:20.15 | gameover | im having trouble getting sound with my audigy, how can i check if the kernel supports sound |
| 05:20.24 | gameover | im pretty noob |
| 05:20.26 | l0ke | gameover, aumix? |
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| 05:20.45 | hool | dont you need alsa for those? |
| 05:20.55 | gameover | no idea what aumix is |
| 05:20.58 | owh | FsckIt: I feel reluctant to install an app that isn't a .deb, but unstable has 1.0-3... |
| 05:21.05 | l0ke | type aumix in a terminal |
| 05:21.19 | dendrite | owh: Look into checkinstall. |
| 05:21.27 | Xenguy | hool: aumix is an audio controller thingie :-) |
| 05:21.30 | gameover | error opening mixer |
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| 05:21.39 | Xenguy | owh: checkinstall is good, yes |
| 05:21.42 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. however you want to do it... |
| 05:21.44 | l0ke | gameover, as root? |
| 05:21.48 | skiesfalling | anyone? |
| 05:21.54 | l0ke | skiesfalling, ? |
| 05:21.56 | ireverentReveren | anyone here use lineakd? i tried to set it up, i created a new keyboard profile for my profile, and i edited the lineakd.conf so volumedown = "aumix -v -5" and that doesnt work, with or without the quotes.. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 05:21.59 | gameover | yeah, with su |
| 05:21.59 | hool | yeah but you still need some way to communicate with the actual device |
| 05:22.14 | xpurple | chmod 666 /dev/audio :) |
| 05:22.15 | owh | dendrite: Xenguy: Cool, that's for another day. |
| 05:22.17 | ireverentReveren | aumix -v -5 works from the command line |
| 05:22.29 | gameover | 10ke, as superuser |
| 05:22.37 | owh | FsckIt: apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird/unstable is happening :-) |
| 05:23.17 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. it's kinda funny that I'd feel more reluctant to do that, than to install into /opt |
| 05:23.36 | l0ke | l0ke, su = root man |
| 05:23.36 | l0ke | gameover, superuser = su = root |
| 05:23.58 | dendrite | FsckIt: Heh. Unless you've seen such an incantation want to drag in a few dozen or more dependencies... |
| 05:24.05 | Thaiger | How do I install qt? |
| 05:24.13 | gameover | 10ke, then yeah as root "error opening mixer" |
| 05:24.13 | anifinder | With your fingers crossed |
| 05:24.14 | hool | gameover, you can use the Su command directly in your IRC client too you know ;) |
| 05:24.20 | skiesfalling | why do i get "serial line looped back" when tring to connect via pppd? |
| 05:24.21 | l0ke | gameover, i dont know |
| 05:24.24 | owh | FsckIt: The way I figure it is that if it came from debian, I can use debian resources to make it work again, but if I get it from mozilla, I'll be told to go there and they'll point me back here... |
| 05:24.24 | l0ke | gameover, it works fo rme |
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| 05:24.55 | TummyAcid | ARRRGGG im so close |
| 05:25.04 | owh | FsckIt: We have completion. |
| 05:25.07 | TummyAcid | AHAHAHAHAHAHA AH |
| 05:25.09 | TummyAcid | nm it WORK |
| 05:25.11 | TummyAcid | IT WORKS |
| 05:25.13 | TummyAcid | IT WORK |
| 05:25.14 | TummyAcid | IT WORKS |
| 05:25.17 | TummyAcid | it WORKLS |
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| 05:25.29 | gameover | i was looking in control center, my soundcard (audigy) is labeld as an unknown device |
| 05:25.30 | dendrite | TummyAcid: What? your capslock or your enter key? |
| 05:25.36 | gameover | im guessing it needs a driver.... |
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| 05:26.05 | gameover | alsa doesnt have the emu10k1 driver either |
| 05:26.07 | gameover | alsaconf that is |
| 05:26.09 | dendrite | TummyAcid: Please don't msg me... |
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| 05:26.22 | TummyAcid | sorry |
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| 05:26.32 | TummyAcid | i wont do it anymore i was just so excited i wanted totell someone |
| 05:26.38 | dendrite | TummyAcid: NP. Glad your wireless is working. I know that can be a pain... |
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| 05:26.56 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so the next thing is to start it up, and configure it to look at your local imap server |
| 05:27.03 | owh | Hmm, what do I need to do to launch thunderbird as a different user to open my display? |
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| 05:27.19 | Thaiger | How do I find out how much space a folder takes up? I tried ls -l -h ~ | grep <folder> but no such luck |
| 05:27.22 | owh | xhost + as me or as root doesn't seem to help. |
| 05:27.24 | TummyAcid | just incase anyone is wondering, if you are using a DWL-G650 wifi card http://www.ituprising.com/howto/dlink_dwlg650.html is a lot of help |
| 05:27.30 | TummyAcid | and it works if you have no firmware |
| 05:27.32 | owh | Thaiger: du -sh <folder> |
| 05:27.38 | Thaiger | owh:thanks |
| 05:27.45 | TummyAcid | im so excited i dont know what to do first |
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| 05:27.55 | M0rph3us1337 | has anyone ever used PCI-e with a Geforce 6600GT with X?? because i can't get it to run with the drivers from nvidia. |
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| 05:29.53 | M0rph3us1337 | or has anyone been able to do it with the frame buffer |
| 05:30.05 | doleyb | owh: Try ssh -X -lotheruser localhost |
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| 05:30.37 | Thaiger | How do I install QT? |
| 05:30.49 | owh | doleyb: NG |
| 05:30.55 | NamNT | hile_, how do i force upgrade to kde 3.3? |
| 05:30.56 | Iron | apt-get install qt |
| 05:31.27 | NamNT | sorry, didn't intend to call hile_ |
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| 05:31.36 | Thaiger | Iron:Couldn't find package qt |
| 05:31.39 | tummyacid | heyehyehye |
| 05:31.45 | FsckIt | owh: so, how goes it? |
| 05:31.46 | M0rph3us1337 | or does anyone know where i might find a config or something that can help me get it to run with at least framebuffer |
| 05:31.59 | tummyacid | this is what it looks like if i am chatting in linux over my wifi conneciton |
| 05:32.00 | Iron | tummyacid? damn thats a nick I should have thought of:) |
| 05:32.09 | tummyacid | hahah never no one has though of htis nick |
| 05:32.23 | owh | FsckIt: I'm trying to launch mozilla as the other user, but cannot open display, xhost + doesn't help. |
| 05:32.28 | Iron | :D |
| 05:32.32 | tummyacid | if you think you thought of it before me we can have us a knife fight down by the playground |
| 05:32.38 | Iron | lol |
| 05:32.43 | Iron | no...I like my tummy |
| 05:32.47 | FsckIt | owh: what's the deal with using another user? |
| 05:33.00 | tummyacid | oh wow i cant belive this works |
| 05:33.03 | FsckIt | owh: and don't use xhost + :-) |
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| 05:33.09 | owh | FsckIt: The other user had the uw-imap folder, my account doesn't. |
| 05:33.18 | owh | FsckIt: I'm behind a ruddy big firewall :-) |
| 05:33.28 | Iron | wifi is same as connected...why should it look different? |
| 05:33.30 | dendrite | owh: Try, as the user that owns the X session: sudo su otheruser mozilla |
| 05:33.36 | Iron | unless ya on a cell phone |
| 05:33.47 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. I'm pretty confused right now.. so, let's go through a few things, ok? |
| 05:33.51 | owh | dendrite: Interesting... |
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| 05:33.55 | owh | FsckIt: Sure. |
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| 05:34.14 | dendrite | owh: And undo that xhost breakage... |
| 05:34.17 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. you installed courier-imap on your local machine, right? |
| 05:34.32 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 05:34.41 | owh | dendrite: It's running :-) |
| 05:34.47 | M0rph3us1337 | Does anyone know where i can get some Intel 915 PCI-Express drivers for debian 2.6.10??? |
| 05:34.53 | FsckIt | owh: and what users are you using on that local machine? |
| 05:34.54 | Iron | google |
| 05:35.02 | FsckIt | owh: and what firewall is there? |
| 05:35.44 | owh | FsckIt: Two users, onno and fran. The firewall is on the other side of my two-way satellite link, don't worry about it :-) |
| 05:36.02 | owh | s/two/mobile two/ |
| 05:36.51 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so.. which user will you generally want to use Thunderbird with? |
| 05:36.55 | gameover | 10ke, i think i fugured out my problem "modprobe soundcore" said i have no module installed |
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| 05:37.53 | owh | FsckIt: I use onno, all my mail is local, I didn't use uw-imapd, I have 2.1GB of mail. The other user, fran has 100MB of mail, previously stored in uw-imapd. I thought we were sorting out fran first. |
| 05:38.45 | FsckIt | owh: well, we're sorting out all of imap first.. which was accomplished when we got courier installed and running :-) |
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| 05:39.17 | FsckIt | owh: so, now, we're going to set up Thunderbird like you are going to use it in the future |
| 05:39.20 | owh | FsckIt: That's what I figured, so I gathered that we were now at the import uw-imapd mail stage, or are we not? |
| 05:39.26 | NamNT | helloyo, how can i upgrade to kde 3.3? |
| 05:39.28 | owh | FsckIt: Cool |
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| 05:39.31 | NamNT | oh fark |
| 05:39.34 | omry | which .bashrc file is used on ssh login? |
| 05:39.36 | luison | can anyone tell me how to fix this: nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/libnautilus-private.so.2: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_drive_unref |
| 05:39.36 | NamNT | stupid xchat |
| 05:39.38 | luison | ?? |
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| 05:40.26 | FsckIt | owh: another possibly stupid question.. I assume when we end all of this, you will have all the mail (2.1 GB + 100 MB) combined together into one set of Maildir folders? |
| 05:40.39 | owh | FsckIt: No. |
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| 05:40.53 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. how are you needing it to work? |
| 05:41.02 | owh | FsckIt: There are two accounts, one for me with 2.1 GB, one for fran with 100 MB. |
| 05:41.23 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so fran is actually another person, then? |
| 05:41.44 | luison | I cannot run nautilus :S |
| 05:41.48 | FsckIt | owh: ah.. I thought that that might have been an account created to test imap with... |
| 05:41.59 | owh | ROTFL |
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| 05:42.15 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, let's make sure it will work with the 2.1 GB, then, and then worry about fran's email, ok? |
| 05:42.31 | luison | can anyone tell me how to fix this: nautilus: relocation error: /usr/lib/libnautilus-private.so.2: undefined symbol: gnome_vfs_drive_unref |
| 05:42.43 | owh | FsckIt: I was doing it the other way around, because fran has limited mail, easy to recover etc. |
| 05:42.52 | dendrite | luison: How did you install nautilus? |
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| 05:43.10 | FsckIt | owh: so, in onno's home directory.. you want a Maildir owned by onno, and as onno, you want to run Thunderbird, configured to look to imap at localhost.. ok? |
| 05:43.14 | luison | synaptic |
| 05:43.22 | owh | FsckIt: One mo... |
| 05:43.22 | luison | dendrite: synaptic |
| 05:43.27 | gameover | is there a utility to load / unload modules? |
| 05:43.41 | FsckIt | gameover: modprobe ? |
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| 05:43.53 | maher | gameover: modprobe / insmod / rmmod |
| 05:43.56 | luison | dendrite: from Ubuntu's CDROM |
| 05:44.01 | oogy | does anyone have any idea why apt-get might just trail off, start at 100k/s and then just trail off to absolutely nothing? its not my connection, nor is it one specific mirror i've tried about 10 so far |
| 05:44.06 | dendrite | luison: Ubuntu isn't Debian. |
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| 05:44.34 | tummyacid | oggy: are yousure its not your connection? do you ahve broadband? |
| 05:44.38 | dendrite | luison: Are you running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 05:44.42 | Joris | if I put two identical nics in a machine, is there a way to make sure one becomes eth0, and the other eth1? (other than writing a script that reads the mac address or something) |
| 05:44.51 | luison | dendrite: I'm using Ubuntu, but in the Ubuntu's channel nobody could help me |
| 05:44.52 | owh | FsckIt: Remind me what the login commands were, testing my account with imap after makedir |
| 05:45.00 | dendrite | Joris: Look into ifrename. |
| 05:45.04 | oogy | tummy: yes, i just tested random downloads from other places.. got 300k/s |
| 05:45.09 | oogy | without interrupt |
| 05:45.15 | owh | FsckIt: That is the telnet localhost imap bits... |
| 05:45.20 | dendrite | luison: Might as well go to #windows, for all the help we can be to you... |
| 05:45.25 | FsckIt | owh: I think the best way at this point is to just use Thunderbird |
| 05:45.32 | Agrajag- | Joris: i had that problem - depends how the modules are being loaded. a simple, rather hacky fix is to just put their modules in order in your /etc/modules |
| 05:45.32 | FsckIt | owh: ? login <username> <password> |
| 05:45.33 | owh | FsckIt: Cool |
| 05:45.48 | FsckIt | owh: ? help |
| 05:45.58 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, all works. |
| 05:46.05 | Joris | Agrajag-: I have two cards that are served with the same driver :/ |
| 05:46.22 | luison | dendrite: ¬¬, I'm asking for help about Linux generic problem |
| 05:46.23 | Joris | dendrite: I'll look into it, thanks |
| 05:46.26 | Agrajag- | ah right.. i guess that's more of a problem then :P try ifrename |
| 05:46.26 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so you have Thunderbird, looking at imap, with a presumably empty Inbox? |
| 05:46.32 | owh | FsckIt: Ok, setting up mozilla now. |
| 05:46.45 | FsckIt | owh: oh, ok |
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| 05:47.02 | _jamie | is there a daemontools replacement/clone/whatever that's freely *? |
| 05:47.05 | dendrite | luison: Not really. Your libs are hosed, and the first thing to check is the bug tracking system, and that your system dependencies are properly sorted. |
| 05:47.17 | owh | FsckIt: yes, I am now looking at an imap box within thunderbird. |
| 05:48.00 | dendrite | luison: So yeah, it's a linux question, but really, it *sounds* distro-specific... |
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| 05:48.34 | FsckIt | owh: good... now, let's copy (not move) some mail over.. cd to ~/evolution to where the mail is.. the cur directory, specifically |
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| 05:48.42 | Thaiger | How do I install libqt3 I did apt-get install libqt3 but it says it depends on libqt3-mt but its not going to be installed E: broken packages |
| 05:48.57 | owh | FsckIt: With courier and thunderbird both running? |
| 05:49.08 | FsckIt | owh: and you probably want to shut off thunderbird (not that it will hurt anything) |
| 05:49.30 | FsckIt | owh: courier is no big deal... |
| 05:49.38 | dendrite | Thaiger: This in woody? |
| 05:49.48 | _jamie | anyone have experience with runit? |
| 05:49.56 | Thaiger | dendrite:Sarge |
| 05:49.59 | owh | FsckIt: Ok, I am now in: ~/evolution/local/Inbox/mbox/cur/ |
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| 05:50.45 | FsckIt | owh: do an ls, you should see a bunch of messages with weird names? and if you would, do an 'ls | wc -l' and tell me the number that it gives |
| 05:50.50 | luison | dendrite: The dependencies are fine, but reinstall the package also reinstall the lib ? |
| 05:51.06 | owh | 7943 |
| 05:51.19 | luison | dendrite: or exists some configuration file about libs? |
| 05:51.25 | dendrite | Thaiger: it sounds like it's time to fire up reportbug... |
| 05:51.33 | FsckIt | owh: cool, a lot of messages.. so, can you now copy those to ~/Maildir/cur/ |
| 05:51.42 | M0rph3us1337 | does anyone know of any way i can get my intel 915 pci-express board with my geforce 6600GT to work by changing kernel settings or something? |
| 05:51.46 | gameover | grr debian didnt compule soundcore as a module |
| 05:51.52 | dendrite | luison: In debian there is a package called debsums. |
| 05:51.56 | gameover | and i have no idea how to do that, anyone care to guide me though it |
| 05:52.04 | gameover | or point me towards a howto |
| 05:52.37 | luison | dendrite: is the package that configure the libraries? |
| 05:52.40 | owh | FsckIt: tar -cf - .| (cd /home/onno/Maildir/cur/ ; tar -xf -) |
| 05:52.55 | owh | FsckIt: cp * gave me a too long argument list :-) |
| 05:52.57 | dendrite | luison: No, and you shouldn't really need to "configure the libraries." |
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| 05:53.15 | FsckIt | gameover: try installing a kernel-image using aptitude, rather than using the one from the install disk |
| 05:53.26 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. whatever works :-) |
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| 05:53.57 | FsckIt | owh: be back in a bit |
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| 05:54.08 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, copy completed |
| 05:54.49 | luison | dendrite: The strange thing is that I got the same error with any user and reinstalling the packages |
| 05:55.10 | tummyacid | wow i still cant belive i am chatting wirelessly |
| 05:55.30 | tummyacid | thanx for all your help you gues |
| 05:55.33 | tummyacid | guys |
| 05:55.36 | owh | tummyacid: This will blow your mind... |
| 05:55.39 | MrKeuner | hi, when I first boot the system gnome-volume--control shows four tabs and gnome system sounds work but I cannot hear xine sound. when I alsaconf it kills two of the tabs in gnome-volume-manager and gnome system sound go away. but xine sound begins to be heard. what may be the problem? and why does alsaconf setting gets lost every reboot? |
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| 05:55.54 | tummyacid | ahh! |
| 05:55.58 | owh | tummyacid: I'm connected wirelessly across a mobile satellite link. |
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| 05:56.39 | dendrite | owh: How much bandwidth are you getting? |
| 05:56.48 | owh | dendrite: 400/76 |
| 05:57.05 | dendrite | owh: Respectable. May I ask what that costs? |
| 05:57.06 | tummyacid | ohhhh does your signal get better if you hld the lappy sideways |
| 05:57.14 | owh | dendrite: More like 1500/76 when I push it :-) |
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| 05:57.22 | nvz_ | everything coo in here? |
| 05:57.23 | owh | dendrite: $130AUD / month |
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| 05:57.38 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so now start Thunderbird back up.. your Inbox should be full with that mail |
| 05:57.43 | nvz_ | I am laggin :/ |
| 05:57.56 | owh | FsckIt: yeah, but only 1305 messages... |
| 05:57.59 | Blaster123 | hey i have a question that noone has been able to help with for 2 days now... how the heck can i backup my entire drive |
| 05:58.11 | Blaster123 | gtar ? dont wokr |
| 05:58.13 | Xenguy | . o O ( who wants the Butthole Surfer's 'Edgar.mp3' ? ) |
| 05:58.14 | tummyacid | ummm why not 'tar - |
| 05:58.16 | Blaster123 | wwork |
| 05:58.17 | tummyacid | err |
| 05:58.21 | dendrite | owh: Wow! |
| 05:58.23 | maher | Blaster123: i use dirvish for the files - do you want a disk image? |
| 05:58.24 | owh | Blaster123: Boot from a livecd, do a dd... |
| 05:58.29 | tummyacid | tar -Rf backup.tar / |
| 05:58.39 | mwilson | If gtar "doesn't work", where's the bug report? |
| 05:58.46 | Blaster123 | i get error |
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| 05:58.56 | maher | Blaster123: doing what? |
| 05:59.05 | FsckIt | owh: hmm.. go to ~/Maildir/cur, and do a ls | wc -l, please |
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| 05:59.23 | owh | FsckIt: I was just on my way there... |
| 05:59.36 | Blaster123 | gtar -czP --exclude=root.tar.gz -C / -f /home/backup/root.tar.gz . |
| 05:59.42 | Blaster123 | that is last one i tried |
| 05:59.44 | owh | FsckIt: 1305 |
| 06:00.07 | FsckIt | owh: so, copy didn't work all the way, apparently... |
| 06:00.08 | owh | FsckIt: It is possible that Evolution left deleted messages lying around... |
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| 06:00.23 | owh | FsckIt: No, it worked, thunderbird compacted it on launch. |
| 06:00.29 | maher | Blaster123: what error |
| 06:00.49 | Blaster123 | someting about socekets |
| 06:00.55 | Blaster123 | i cant scrool up that far |
| 06:00.55 | FsckIt | owh: I don't know enough about Evolution to know whether it does that or not |
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| 06:00.57 | owh | FsckIt: Lemmie launch Evolution and have a looksee... |
| 06:00.58 | Blaster123 | i can run it again |
| 06:01.06 | FsckIt | owh: ok |
| 06:02.15 | owh | FsckIt: As I suspected :-| |
| 06:02.27 | FsckIt | owh: what's that? |
| 06:02.37 | owh | FsckIt: It has 1305 normal messages, the rest was deleted but not removed. |
| 06:02.53 | owh | FsckIt: Thats just to give us both grey hairs. |
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| 06:03.09 | FsckIt | owh: well... that could also be a reason why Evolution was so slow :-) |
| 06:03.22 | owh | dendrite: http://itmaze.com.au/locations/ will tell you more about the setup. |
| 06:03.27 | owh | FsckIt: Hmm... |
| 06:03.30 | FsckIt | owh: anyway.. you got your Inbox moved over well enough |
| 06:03.42 | owh | FsckIt: That's one, 199 to go... |
| 06:03.56 | owh | FsckIt: Now comes the lesson on maildir formats :-) |
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| 06:04.12 | FsckIt | owh: now, imap oddly enough has different concepts about deleting something, and actually removing it off the disk.. maybe Evolution was following that internally, too |
| 06:04.22 | Thanatermesis | how are the fast mode for a recover one file in VFAT ? |
| 06:04.25 | M0rph3us1337 | When i download a file what directory does it save to? |
| 06:04.43 | vulture | M0rph3us1337: depends on your web browser i'd imagine |
| 06:04.47 | vulture | hardly a debian question.. |
| 06:04.48 | FsckIt | owh: with the imap protocol, if you delete something, you simply mark it as deleted.. to actually remove it, you have to expunge that folder. |
| 06:04.50 | M0rph3us1337 | i'm using lynx |
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| 06:05.07 | MobyTurbo | M0rph3us1337: I'd assume the default is your home directory. |
| 06:05.11 | owh | FsckIt: That appears to be the case here. Let me have a look in mozilla's trash. |
| 06:05.13 | M0rph3us1337 | gracias |
| 06:05.14 | Thaiger | M0rph3us1337: I believe it downloads to the directory you called lynx from |
| 06:05.21 | moodsoft | hi all, what does shpchp do? |
| 06:05.24 | Thaiger | try either one |
| 06:05.27 | Thaiger | ^_^ |
| 06:05.40 | M0rph3us1337 | thanks a bunch guys cuz i'm trying to configure my pci-e board to work with debian and i'm having a rough go of it |
| 06:05.52 | owh | FsckIt: No, they're gone from thunderbird. |
| 06:06.06 | MobyTurbo | M0rph3us1337: character-based web browsers probably tend to deposit files where you start them. |
| 06:06.07 | owh | FsckIt: I can live with deleted messages being deleted. |
| 06:06.15 | FsckIt | owh: so, on that note.. I'd suggest that you go to account settings->server settings in thunderbird, to make sure that it will expunge on exit |
| 06:06.18 | Xenguy | M0rph3us1337: do Ctrl-Z, then pwd to find out what your current path is |
| 06:06.47 | M0rph3us1337 | thank you |
| 06:06.57 | Xenguy | M0rph3us1337: (fg gets your text browser back :-) |
| 06:07.05 | gameover | doesnt debian come with a graphical utility to select modules? |
| 06:07.17 | Iron | why? |
| 06:07.18 | owh | FsckIt: Done, what's next (to coin a phrase :-) |
| 06:07.19 | gameover | i remember using it to load NTFS support just cant remember the command |
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| 06:07.39 | MobyTurbo | gameover: modconf - but it's not a GUI |
| 06:07.45 | moodsoft | or what file would shpchp be called in to run during boot? |
| 06:07.55 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, cd back to ~/evolution |
| 06:07.58 | Xenguy | owh: well you did ask what's next ;-) |
| 06:07.58 | cthulfuego | moodsoft: 'hotplug' or 'discover' |
| 06:08.02 | nvz | gameover: modconf, its got a curses frontend |
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| 06:08.15 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 06:08.32 | dendrite | owh: Most cool. :-) |
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| 06:08.48 | owh | Xenguy: Hmm, didn't like the name, looked too much like goats.cx to me... |
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| 06:08.59 | owh | dendrite: Hey and it works for me :-) |
| 06:09.06 | Xenguy | owh: not at all (but your choice of course :-) |
| 06:09.18 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. remind where cur is, again? |
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| 06:09.38 | owh | FsckIt: Well the whole tree is inside ~/evolution/local |
| 06:09.45 | owh | FsckIt: Inside that is Inbox/cur |
| 06:09.59 | owh | FsckIt: Also all manner of other folders. |
| 06:10.04 | dendrite | owh: You get VOIP working? |
| 06:10.10 | owh | dendrite: Yup |
| 06:10.13 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so I know how evolution does it.. how does evolution do it? :-) |
| 06:10.24 | moodsoft | cthulfuego, is there a file I would look for specifically? or just somewhere in the hotplug or discover directories? |
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| 06:11.13 | MobyTurbo | FsckIt: how does evolution do it? badly. ;-) |
| 06:11.14 | owh | FsckIt: ~/evolution/local/Archve/subfolders/Discussions/subfolders/WAMUG/subfolders/1998/mbox/cur represents a folder called Discussions/WAMUG/1998/ |
| 06:11.18 | cthulfuego | moodsoft: rgrep /etc/hotplug (etc) - it's called by acpi I think |
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| 06:11.58 | dendrite | owh: Is this simply a very wired walkabout, or is there another purpose to your travels? |
| 06:12.08 | FsckIt | owh: oh.. that's going to be a royal pain.. I think |
| 06:12.22 | owh | dendrite: Both, lifestyle and walkabout. |
| 06:12.27 | owh | FsckIt: Yup. |
| 06:12.31 | kingsley_ | Can a firefox toolbar be configured to have a button that erases the URL line? |
| 06:12.35 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. here's how courier does it.. |
| 06:12.52 | FsckIt | owh: you have a Maildir directory, with cur, new, and tmp... this is your Inbox |
| 06:13.08 | fraxtal | Does anyone here use rar and unrar from the stable packages? I keep trying to unrar packages with them but get "Unknown method in random_file_in_archive.foo" errors |
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| 06:13.21 | Xenguy | kingsley_: you can either do Ctrl-t for a new tab, or Ctrl-l and type the URL you want |
| 06:13.23 | dendrite | owh: I imagine you get some interesting reactions when you set your rig up in an out of the way spot... =) |
| 06:13.28 | zinx | fraxtal: you need non-free rar |
| 06:13.33 | FsckIt | owh: all other folders are subfolders of your Inbox in imap.. so you can have a folder named INBOX.Folder, for instance |
| 06:13.40 | zinx | fraxtal: use "rar" instead of "unrar" |
| 06:13.43 | fraxtal | zinx: That is the one that I have |
| 06:13.46 | owh | dendrite: They invariably ask about satellite TV. |
| 06:13.48 | eclipse75 | is debian very hard to install cause im some what new to linux |
| 06:13.49 | zinx | fraxtal: what version? |
| 06:13.52 | FsckIt | owh: (dots are used as separators) |
| 06:13.54 | eclipse75 | i only got the basics down |
| 06:13.58 | dendrite | owh: Ah. Heh. |
| 06:14.03 | owh | FsckIt: That is a directory name? |
| 06:14.05 | kingsley_ | Xenguy: Thanks. You're golden. |
| 06:14.13 | Xenguy | kingsley_: glad it worked |
| 06:14.18 | dendrite | owh: Which is old news, relatively speaking. |
| 06:14.18 | FsckIt | owh: not exactly.. that's the IMAP folder name |
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| 06:14.57 | owh | FsckIt: Can you show me an example using: Discussions/WAMUG/1998/ |
| 06:14.59 | dendrite | owh: Does Optus B3 even carry video? |
| 06:15.08 | fraxtal | zinx: 2.71 |
| 06:15.08 | eclipse75 | anybody - is debian very hard to install cause im some what new to linux |
| 06:15.09 | owh | dendrite: Sure it does. |
| 06:15.18 | zinx | fraxtal: i have 3.30 here :x |
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| 06:15.28 | owh | dendrite: It used to carry foxtel until C1 was launched :-) |
| 06:15.31 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. first of all, using courier, it'd be Inbox/Discussions/WAMUG/1998/ in Thunderbird |
| 06:15.40 | zinx | fraxtal: try backports.org, though i doubt it's there |
| 06:15.48 | Xenguy | eclipse75: that is the old reputation, but everyone is different (and the new sarge installer is much easier from what I hear) |
| 06:15.55 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 06:15.57 | fraxtal | zinx: ok I'll check |
| 06:16.03 | dendrite | owh: A while back I was reading about all the free satellite video available. I think I was looking into Gnu Radio, and went from there... |
| 06:16.03 | Xenguy | eclipse75: are you new to gnu/linux? |
| 06:16.03 | FsckIt | owh: and is mapped to $HOME/Maildir/.Discussions.WAMUG.1998/{cur,new,tmp} on disk |
| 06:16.10 | eclipse75 | some what |
| 06:16.16 | zinx | fraxtal: ooh, you're in luck.. it is there |
| 06:16.17 | MobyTurbo | eclipse75: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:16.22 | Xenguy | dendrite: radio? ... |
| 06:16.28 | owh | FsckIt: Well I can script that. |
| 06:16.33 | zinx | erh, that's unrar, nevermind |
| 06:16.33 | eclipse75 | xenguy - ive been messing with it for awhile got the basics |
| 06:16.35 | eclipse75 | alright |
| 06:16.42 | FsckIt | owh: notice that it is a dotfile, and that subfolders are all pushed up to be one level of folders, with .'s as separators |
| 06:16.56 | owh | FsckIt: In fact I can sym-link it :-) |
| 06:17.07 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. that was what I was saying would be mostly a pain :-) |
| 06:17.08 | dendrite | Xenguy: Yes, radio. Why? |
| 06:17.20 | Xenguy | eclipse75: well try it out, but you might have more luck with sarge if woody fails for you |
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| 06:17.32 | Xenguy | dendrite: dcc, incoming |
| 06:17.33 | moodsoft | what would put this: acpi_shpchprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 into dmesg? |
| 06:17.33 | eclipse75 | lol k |
| 06:17.34 | zinx | fraxtal: switch to sarge, or pull the unstable package and pray that it works (i doubt it will) |
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| 06:17.42 | eclipse75 | how many cd's is debian? |
| 06:17.48 | owh | FsckIt: Nah, the pain would be that in Evolution the folder WAMUG can also contain messages, as well as folders :-| |
| 06:17.53 | zinx | eclipse75: 14 or more currently |
| 06:17.57 | dendrite | Xenguy: No thanks. |
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| 06:18.03 | zinx | eclipse75: no one needs all of them |
| 06:18.10 | FsckIt | owh: I was hoping that evolution used a maildir format actually (it doesn't.. it uses it's own, apparently), in which case a simple cp (or tar) would work |
| 06:18.16 | eclipse75 | zimx - ...for the basics... |
| 06:18.29 | MobyTurbo | eclipse75: the typical Debian installation is to install just the first CD, or a netinst in the case of Sarge, then apt-get install the remaining software as-needed over the internet. |
| 06:18.33 | eclipse75 | zimx - something below 7.5gb |
| 06:18.33 | zinx | eclipse75: you can install a working system with just the first CD |
| 06:18.40 | owh | FsckIt: But if this is all there is, I can deal with that. How do I deal with my calendar and contacts? |
| 06:18.42 | FsckIt | owh: that works in Maildir, as well.. you'd have $HOME/Maildir/.Discussions.WAMUG/{cur,new,tmp} |
| 06:18.47 | zinx | eclipse75: the CDs are ordered so that the most popular software is first |
| 06:18.51 | owh | FsckIt: Cool |
| 06:18.59 | eclipse75 | yeah |
| 06:18.59 | owh | FsckIt: Doh, of course :-) |
| 06:19.03 | zinx | eclipse75: usually it's better to do a net install anyway, using the net install or business CD |
| 06:19.08 | eclipse75 | zimx - thats different |
| 06:19.13 | FsckIt | owh: ok, thunderbird comes with an address book built in, but it's thunderbird only.. |
| 06:19.24 | eclipse75 | zimx - net install? |
| 06:19.26 | owh | FsckIt: Does it do ldap? |
| 06:19.26 | FsckIt | owh: likewise with the calendar extension... http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/download.html |
| 06:19.34 | eclipse75 | zimx - you mean like installing from a live connection? |
| 06:19.38 | dendrite | Xenguy: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/ |
| 06:19.41 | MobyTurbo | eclipse75: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:19.42 | zinx | !tell eclipse75 about d-i |
| 06:19.48 | zinx | eclipse75: yes |
| 06:19.50 | FsckIt | owh: yes, you can configure thunderbird to look to ldap for email addresses and the like |
| 06:20.14 | zinx | eclipse75: it's faster unless you have a slow (or no) connection on the machine you're installing it on |
| 06:20.20 | owh | FsckIt: So, my contacts could be migrated from evolution into ldap so thunderbird can use them. |
| 06:20.38 | zinx | eclipse75: because you only download what you need, instead of a ton of packages you don't need along with a couple you do |
| 06:21.04 | eclipse75 | zimx - yeah and you only need the first cd for that right? |
| 06:21.16 | zinx | eclipse75: for net install, you only need the net install CD |
| 06:21.23 | zinx | eclipse75: which is smaller than the first debian CD |
| 06:21.23 | eclipse75 | zimx - thanks man i really appreciate it |
| 06:21.24 | eclipse75 | k |
| 06:21.46 | owh | FsckIt: Just doing an RTFM about the calendar. I suspect it won't be quite so trivial. |
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| 06:22.04 | FsckIt | owh: um, well.. lemme put it this way.. if you got your contacts into LDAP with whatever means, then thunderbird should be able to use them... how to get them from evolution to ldap, I don't know about... |
| 06:22.08 | fraxtal | zinx: Hey thanks, that worked and now I know how to use backports |
| 06:22.19 | zinx | fraxtal: :) |
| 06:22.25 | FsckIt | owh: do you know ldap, by the way? |
| 06:22.46 | owh | FsckIt: Don't be silly, of course not :-) |
| 06:23.04 | FsckIt | owh: want to? :-) |
| 06:23.19 | owh | FsckIt: I see no alternative at this stage :-) |
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| 06:23.43 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so let's see where we stand, first.. |
| 06:23.49 | eclipse75 | zimx - do you know where i could get the iso to that cd? i tried linuxiso.org but they dont have the net install cd |
| 06:24.07 | dendrite | eclipse75: You're looking for the Sarge Net Install? |
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| 06:24.22 | FsckIt | owh: you've got imap up and running, thunderbird configured, inbox copied over.. you are confident you can get all the rest of the 2.1 GB copied/moved, and in the right place, right? |
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| 06:24.26 | eclipse75 | dendrite - yes |
| 06:24.35 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 06:24.53 | Thanatermesis | hello, how to use EAX effects for a SB live SL 24bits ? |
| 06:25.01 | FsckIt | owh: ok, one bit of info you'll need, by the way.. when you create a new subfolder, thunderbird won't see it |
| 06:25.20 | owh | FsckIt: I was just about to ask... |
| 06:25.31 | FsckIt | owh: you'll have to go up to File->Subscribe in thunderbird, and subscribe to it.. then thunderbird will see it |
| 06:25.46 | eclipse75 | dendrite - nvm found the link, thanks though |
| 06:25.53 | owh | FsckIt: Can I not have the imap server announce them? |
| 06:26.04 | dendrite | eclipse75: It's not the easiest thing to find on the debian site -- I was trying to find it... |
| 06:26.16 | owh | FsckIt: I'm guessing tmp and new are both empty? |
| 06:26.32 | eclipse75 | yeah so far ive heard that debian is quite powerful and havent heard anything but good things about it |
| 06:26.34 | eclipse75 | :) |
| 06:26.39 | FsckIt | owh: oh, the imap server will know they are there.. but thunderbird has to be told, unfortunately.. |
| 06:26.48 | owh | FsckIt: Sigh. |
| 06:27.00 | owh | FsckIt: About each individual one? |
| 06:27.13 | FsckIt | owh.. yes.. the way the Maildir spec works, new mail is first copied to tmp, then hardlinked into new/ |
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| 06:27.27 | FsckIt | owh: then removed from tmp |
| 06:27.27 | Alogon | what is that program like airsnort but they make it for windows and palm? |
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| 06:27.46 | sbk | eclipse75: clearly your sunny disposition will soon be um, dealt with by the #debian gurus :-) |
| 06:27.48 | owh | FsckIt: That seems logical, makes for no mistakes on partial messages... |
| 06:27.48 | FsckIt | owh: the MUA moves the mail from new/ to cur/, marking it as read, basically |
| 06:28.02 | owh | FsckIt: Excellent. |
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| 06:28.13 | MobyTurbo | eclipse75: Debian is somewhat difficult to install, but once it's installed it is the easiest distro to administer. apt-get, debconf, and many other useful tools lead to a worry-free system. |
| 06:28.16 | loke | in vi how do i search for a pattern and have vi delete the entire line that includes that pattern? |
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| 06:28.37 | FsckIt | owh: yes, each one.. however, you can selected the first folder, hold down shift, select the last one, then hit the subscribe button.. and it will subscribe all of them at once |
| 06:28.49 | tummyacid | is there a laptop specific channel for debian? |
| 06:28.50 | owh | MobyTurbo: If you keep telling people that it is difficult to install, they'll believe you. It isn't IMHO. |
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| 06:29.02 | owh | FsckIt: Excellent, no problem then... |
| 06:29.07 | vulture | loke: :/pattern/d |
| 06:29.08 | eclipse75 | lol thanks mobyturbo |
| 06:29.13 | pancho | de q mierda estan hablando???? |
| 06:29.20 | loke | vulture that will delete the entire line |
| 06:29.29 | loke | vulture not just the patter? |
| 06:29.36 | vulture | loke: try it.. |
| 06:29.39 | vulture | I just did. |
| 06:29.42 | owh | tummyacid: join #debian-laptop and see if there is anyone there... |
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| 06:29.45 | loke | vulture ok |
| 06:29.47 | loke | i will try |
| 06:29.50 | MobyTurbo | owh: well, it's not tough to me, but if you don't know your hardware woody would be tough to install. |
| 06:29.59 | eclipse75 | if it deals with nothing more then partitions and file systems then i should be fine |
| 06:30.00 | FsckIt | owh: obviously, the copying over of the 2.1GB is going to take a bit of time and work, just because... |
| 06:30.05 | Alogon | owh MobyTurbo eclipse75 i dont think debian is hard to install at all, the only thing i dont like about it is ati drivers, and outdated packages :-\ |
| 06:30.06 | tummyacid | or better yet /names #debian-laptop |
| 06:30.20 | pancho | what the fuck are you talking of? |
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| 06:30.44 | MobyTurbo | eclipse75: you definitely want sarge, unless you have a PPP connection. |
| 06:30.50 | owh | FsckIt: I can dig the imap side of things, hit me with the ldap :-) |
| 06:30.54 | FsckIt | owh: and only at that point can you see about the performance... |
| 06:30.58 | Alogon | MobyTurbo : have you played with knoppix any? |
| 06:31.03 | eclipse75 | alogon - so you think it would run alright on my system, i got 7.5gb hdd, 256 ram, and 400mhz proc. |
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| 06:31.13 | FsckIt | owh: well, did you want to see about the other user's mail.. or do you have that, as well? |
| 06:31.13 | owh | FsckIt: Yeah, but at least I'll be able to change clients and play with mutt :-) |
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| 06:31.18 | MobyTurbo | (sarge install disk that is - *running* sarge or sid works fine with PPP.) |
| 06:31.27 | owh | FsckIt: Hmm, good point. |
| 06:31.32 | eclipse75 | yeah im gonna go for the net install |
| 06:31.32 | MobyTurbo | Alogon: I've never run knoppix. |
| 06:31.34 | Alogon | eclipse75 i can make my toaster run linux if i really want to :-) |
| 06:31.36 | owh | FsckIt: Bring it on. |
| 06:31.44 | eclipse75 | just gotta download it :( |
| 06:31.44 | MobyTurbo | Alogon: and besides (looks at /topic) |
| 06:31.50 | FsckIt | owh: which it? |
| 06:31.52 | loke | vulture i need to go it for the entire file |
| 06:31.53 | eclipse75 | lol alright |
| 06:32.04 | owh | FsckIt: The mbox conversion first :-) |
| 06:32.13 | vulture | loke: Works for me(tm). |
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| 06:32.22 | loke | vulture for the whole file???? |
| 06:32.31 | loke | vulture it only does one line at a time |
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| 06:32.46 | FsckIt | owh: the 100 MB.. is it all in the inbox for that user, or are there subfolders? |
| 06:33.10 | Alogon | MobyTurbo eclipse knoppix is just live boot debian with about 2gb of apps for you to play with, it is great if you want to experiement with linux, or test if linux will easily set up on a system |
| 06:33.11 | GueVolt | exists the binary chcon ? |
| 06:33.29 | owh | FsckIt: On second thought, skip that. |
| 06:33.29 | owh | FsckIt: All in the INBOX |
| 06:33.29 | owh | FsckIt: I was going to say, I can just import it as a single file, then drop it into the imap folder. |
| 06:33.34 | vulture | loke: right, point taken. you could just do :%s/^.*pattern.*$/d but there's probably a nicer way |
| 06:33.37 | nvz | can I stop a download with bittornado btdownloadcurs, and then resume it? |
| 06:33.51 | sbk | loke: is sed something you can use instead of vi? |
| 06:33.52 | Alogon | eclipse75 read what i sent MobyTurbo forgot the 75 on your name |
| 06:33.53 | MobyTurbo | Alogon: I already know what knoppix is. |
| 06:33.57 | owh | nvz: man bittornado |
| 06:34.01 | loke | sbk sure |
| 06:34.16 | vulture | sorry, :%s/^.*pattern.*$// |
| 06:34.17 | eclipse75 | alright |
| 06:34.18 | nvz | owh: something tells me you haven't a clue ;) |
| 06:34.19 | loke | sbk will sed remove the entire lines the certain pattern |
| 06:34.23 | vulture | maybe even something to get rid of the newline too |
| 06:34.26 | MobyTurbo | Alogon: knoppix != Debian, read the /topic |
| 06:34.29 | owh | nvz: You'd be right ;-) |
| 06:34.36 | sbk | loke: sed -e '/pattern/d' will remove all the matching lines |
| 06:34.47 | FsckIt | owh: actually.. I think the best way is to su to that user, fire up mutt, and copy it from the Inbox to ~/Maildir/ |
| 06:34.48 | nvz | owh: I know because that manpage isnt in the package. |
| 06:34.48 | loke | sbk vulture thanks |
| 06:35.04 | eclipse75 | well i dont really like this fedora core 2 |
| 06:35.13 | owh | FsckIt: I can deal with that. Let's move on... |
| 06:35.34 | eclipse75 | ive moved from slack 10 which wasnt bad to fc2 which aint the greatest |
| 06:35.39 | FsckIt | owh: ok |
| 06:35.40 | eclipse75 | and going to try out debian |
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| 06:36.09 | MobyTurbo | eclipse75: if you can handle slack you should find Debian a pice of cake. |
| 06:36.23 | FsckIt | owh: you are going to want openldap, and related packages, installed, first of all |
| 06:36.25 | loke | sbk so what do i do with sed, pipe it? |
| 06:36.28 | nvz | I did not specify any bandwith limitations, and its saturating my connection I think.. heh |
| 06:36.28 | MobyTurbo | piece* |
| 06:36.36 | npx | Yeah, debian is 20x easier to admin than slackware (if you're using more than 10 packages or so) |
| 06:37.05 | Overand | Can't get php4-mysql to work on my debian box, it got broken after i used dotdeb's packages for a while, but i've gone back to the regular official sources and i can't get it to work |
| 06:37.11 | moodsoft | what files does debian look at during booting? |
| 06:37.15 | FsckIt | npx: unless you've invested the time to get slackware just perfect and automated for your environment |
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| 06:37.18 | Alogon | eclipse75 what did you not like about slack? |
| 06:37.28 | Overand | didn't someone port apt to slackware? |
| 06:37.35 | sbk | loke: do you want to edit in place? try sed -i.bak -e '/pattern/d' file |
| 06:37.56 | loke | sbk what do you mean edit in place? |
| 06:38.05 | eclipse75 | alogon - well it was to plain, not enough for me to work with i guess |
| 06:38.13 | MobyTurbo | Overand: there is no apt-get for slackware, though there are some programs that fetch and install files out there. |
| 06:38.20 | loke | sbk ok let me try |
| 06:38.21 | owh | FsckIt: Do I need the ldap-utils and openldap-guide also, or just slapd and dependencies? |
| 06:38.30 | Alogon | eclipse75 does it still have the only command line way of installing? |
| 06:38.36 | sbk | loke: the file will be changed. (A backup gets made as well) |
| 06:38.39 | eclipse75 | yeah |
| 06:38.49 | npx | FsckIt It's a pretty massive investment in time |
| 06:38.58 | FsckIt | owh: definitely get ldap-utils.. openldap-guide you might find to be interesting reading |
| 06:39.03 | FsckIt | npx: I agree |
| 06:39.09 | Overand | MobyTurbo: i was pretty sure someone ported apt to slackware, but i could easily be mistaken. I could have just heard it wrong. |
| 06:39.22 | Overand | ohh |
| 06:39.23 | Overand | 'slapt-get' |
| 06:39.26 | Overand | heh |
| 06:39.26 | Alogon | eclipse75 at risk of being boooed off of this channel you might want to take a look at gentoo.org and #gentoo it is very much like slack but i think it is easier to setup and admin |
| 06:39.26 | loke | sweet, thanks sbk |
| 06:39.47 | MobyTurbo | Overand: slapt-get is not a version of apt-get in the same way apt4rpm is. |
| 06:39.48 | nvz | Overand: heh |
| 06:39.51 | loke | sbk it worked perfect |
| 06:39.55 | sbk | loke: should definitely use ed, rather than vi ;-) |
| 06:39.58 | Overand | yeah, i'm reading about it. |
| 06:40.00 | npx | eclipse75 slackware + netbsd's ports tree kicks the dog shit out of gentoo |
| 06:40.04 | owh | FsckIt: Nothing like a suggested package that is missing :-) We'll leave the bed time reading for another day :-) openldap-guide is not available :-) |
| 06:40.10 | moodsoft | what files does debian look at during booting? |
| 06:40.12 | MobyTurbo | Alogon: boo |
| 06:40.15 | sbk | "quietly", even |
| 06:40.30 | loke | sbk ed? |
| 06:40.32 | FsckIt | npx: basically slackware is good for when you are learning, for one server (maybe), or in the case when you have thousands or tens of thousands of machines customized to a particular environment |
| 06:40.40 | loke | sbk why? |
| 06:40.48 | FsckIt | npx: especially a non-standard sort of environment |
| 06:40.53 | npx | FsckIt I'd say in the thousands of machines situation it'd be a lot easier to replicate a debian system than a slackware system |
| 06:41.02 | Alogon | MobyTurbo : i went to Gentoo after having lots of trouble getting ati drivers going |
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| 06:41.27 | Overand | slackware's directory structure and boot scripts are supposedly more 'unix-like' than some other dystros |
| 06:41.28 | sbk | loke: because it's there and will put hair on your chest and other unwanted places. |
| 06:41.31 | Overand | system v i guess |
| 06:41.38 | loke | sbk lol |
| 06:41.38 | eclipse75 | alogon - i dont care about it being hard, i wanna just learn more bout linux |
| 06:41.41 | npx | No, it uses a BSD style init |
| 06:41.42 | loke | sbk ok ill try it |
| 06:41.44 | owh | FsckIt: FUN #291408: slapd: Index and Data corruption with openldap2 2.1.30 |
| 06:41.50 | MobyTurbo | Overand: actually, Slackware's init is BSD-like, not like sysv. |
| 06:41.54 | Overand | really/ |
| 06:41.56 | Overand | damn |
| 06:42.01 | Overand | i've got all my info screwed up tonight |
| 06:42.01 | Overand | heh |
| 06:42.03 | eclipse75 | alogon - i just want something that is powerful :P |
| 06:42.03 | Overand | oh well. |
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| 06:42.20 | npx | Overand and there are better init solutions than slackware's (file-rc rocks) |
| 06:42.22 | MobyTurbo | I actually like Slackware's simple BSD init system. |
| 06:42.28 | FsckIt | MobyTurbo: interestingly enough.. it is a sysv init scheme, just masquerading as a bsd one |
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| 06:42.34 | sbk | loke: yep. Good to obtain a sense of history and improvements in editors ;-) |
| 06:42.43 | loke | sbk lol |
| 06:42.45 | FsckIt | owh: well, what do you want to do? |
| 06:42.51 | sean_ | I am trying to install the 3D window manager metisse. |
| 06:42.55 | loke | sbk, wasnt vi based on ed? |
| 06:43.01 | owh | FsckIt: What are you currently running :-) |
| 06:43.05 | sean_ | Are there Debian packages available? |
| 06:43.05 | Alogon | eclipse75 take a look at the gentoo handbook, it is a command line install but gentoo explains pretty well how and what you are doing with every command and gentoo has tons of guides on configuring your kernel, setting up samba, ltsp, diskless nodes, and tons of other stuff, |
| 06:43.15 | sbk | loke: yep. Thank god for emacs, is what I say these days. |
| 06:43.16 | sean_ | If not, what packages need to be installed to compile? |
| 06:43.21 | Alogon | eclipse75 even if you dont use the distro alot of the tutorials are helpfull |
| 06:43.35 | FsckIt | owh: well, it's at work and I'm not.. so.. I don't know |
| 06:43.38 | MobyTurbo | FsckIt: Slack sysv support was added later, 7.x or something. |
| 06:43.42 | loke | sbk emacs is better than ed and vi? |
| 06:43.52 | valdyn_ | !gentoosmite Alogon |
| 06:43.54 | TheTom | vim is the best |
| 06:43.55 | eclipse75 | yeah |
| 06:44.00 | MobyTurbo | sean_: only about 15,000 in sid and sarge, 8,500 in stable |
| 06:44.00 | npx | eclipse75 If you want BSD, get a BSD - the only real advantage to using BSD (and thusly ports) is because of the asskicking unified userland |
| 06:44.00 | Alogon | eclipse75 well i need to go , goodluck |
| 06:44.12 | sbk | ah yes. I don't think we've had an editor war in the last 300 seconds ;-) |
| 06:44.12 | FsckIt | MobyTurbo: um.. I'm pretty sure it always had an /etc/inittab file |
| 06:44.14 | eclipse75 | alogon - thanks man i appreciate it |
| 06:44.20 | npx | eclipse75 if you want linux, for the love of god get something with a modern package management system |
| 06:44.43 | sean_ | MobyTurbo: Okay, what if it's complaining about GL? |
| 06:44.48 | MobyTurbo | FsckIt: yes, but the other aspects of a sysv init system are absent. |
| 06:45.04 | eclipse75 | mpx - so what would you suggest in my case |
| 06:45.05 | FsckIt | owh: lemme read this bug report, ok? |
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| 06:45.19 | MobyTurbo | sean_: what do you mean complaining about GL? |
| 06:45.19 | FsckIt | MobyTurbo: that's what I meant about the masquerading part :-) |
| 06:45.20 | npx | eclipse75 You're a first-time unix user? |
| 06:45.24 | cthulfuego | eclipse75: What is the box going to be for, and how advanced a *nix user are you? |
| 06:45.28 | eclipse75 | mpx - kinda |
| 06:45.45 | npx | Okay, I'd suggest Ubuntu or Mandrake |
| 06:45.50 | eclipse75 | cthulfuego - i only know the basics so not all that advanced |
| 06:46.07 | cthulfuego | eclipse75: Fetch a Ubuntu iso, see how you like it. (easy to set up, no hassles with nvidia or ati hardware) |
| 06:46.22 | sean_ | configure: error: GL header found, but fail to found libGL (use LDFLAGS?) |
| 06:46.25 | cthulfuego | eclipse75: And based on debian, uses the debian package tools. |
| 06:46.28 | MobyTurbo | I wouldn't reccomend mandrake to my worst enemy. Ubuntu is OK. |
| 06:46.54 | MobyTurbo | sean_: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:46.56 | npx | MobyTurbo it's a decent starter distro imo, hamstrung in a lot of ways |
| 06:47.40 | sean_ | MobyTurbo: Compile metisee since no .deb is to be found. |
| 06:47.44 | eclipse75 | what i dont get is you all are recommending me these distro's but what is so good about debian? |
| 06:48.02 | cthulfuego | eclipse75: The ease of management and the stability. |
| 06:48.06 | npx | eclipse75 debian is basically nothing more than a repository of packages |
| 06:48.21 | eclipse75 | yeah |
| 06:48.21 | npx | it just so happens that there is NO other repository of open source software as easy to use or comprehensive as Debian's |
| 06:48.35 | tummyacid | debian rocks! and im not just saying that cos im in #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 06:48.54 | Phated | It's actually freenode.net. :) |
| 06:49.00 | cthulfuego | eclipse75: The reason I mention ubuntu is that it has newer software then debian's stable distro and is geared for the desktop. |
| 06:49.01 | tummyacid | my mistake |
| 06:49.13 | eclipse75 | yeah |
| 06:49.21 | cthulfuego | eclipse75: And most Ubuntu developers are debian developers. |
| 06:49.33 | FsckIt | owh: ok, I'm guessing that we're using that same version at work... |
| 06:49.37 | sean_ | During the configure run the error is output: "checking for glFlush in -lGL... no" |
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| 06:49.54 | npx | eclipse75 And take the word of someone who has built a linux system from scratch - gentoo will impart upon you the burning desire to put your fist through the monitor |
| 06:50.02 | maher | eclipse75: installing any distro is not hard - youcould have done it already |
| 06:50.19 | owh | FsckIt: Shall we proceed and cross our fingers or do we have an alternative available? |
| 06:50.29 | cthulfuego | yes, SLackware is r^H^Hnicer then gentoo. |
| 06:50.35 | FsckIt | owh: and as far as I know, I've not run into that problem.. but anything can happen Monday morning.. :-/ |
| 06:50.48 | cblack | hrm. in zsh how can i escape out a ! so that doesn't give me an event not found error for everything after the ! ? |
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| 06:50.55 | owh | FsckIt: Hey, that's what backups are for :-) |
| 06:51.08 | owh | FsckIt: My contacts don't change that much... |
| 06:51.11 | MobyTurbo | sean_: Maybe you're missing a -devel package |
| 06:51.19 | MobyTurbo | er, -dev |
| 06:51.23 | GueVolt | where stay the binary chcon ? (package) |
| 06:51.35 | npx | GueVolt which chcon |
| 06:51.39 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. good.. the other choice would be to compile 2.2.x from source into /usr/local.. |
| 06:51.52 | sean_ | MobyTurbo: Well I've installed a couple of *-dev for GL, but maybe not the right one. |
| 06:51.54 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, go ahead and install the packages, I guess |
| 06:52.07 | eclipse75 | well time to reinstall linux again :(:(:(:(:( |
| 06:52.13 | eclipse75 | thanks dudes |
| 06:52.16 | owh | FsckIt: Hmm, what domain should I be entering, or is internal.itmaze.com.au just fine? |
| 06:52.18 | npx | good luck |
| 06:52.33 | GueVolt | npx: http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/chcon1.html |
| 06:52.37 | MobyTurbo | sean_: complaining about the amount of software available for Debian will get a big chuckle, Sarge is going to have the most CDs of any distro. |
| 06:52.51 | npx | GueVolt I mean the command 'which chcon' |
| 06:52.55 | sean_ | Yes, I know. |
| 06:52.59 | sean_ | I'm not complaining. |
| 06:53.13 | owh | FsckIt: I suspect I need to drop the 'internal.' from that domain. |
| 06:53.18 | sean_ | I'm just trying to figure out which OpenGL implementation I need to install to correctly compile. |
| 06:53.37 | npx | sean_ Are you using nvidia's drivers? |
| 06:54.05 | GueVolt | npx: i don't understand.. |
| 06:54.06 | sean_ | npx: Yes, but that would not effect compilation I believe. |
| 06:54.21 | FsckIt | owh: do you own itmaze.com.au? |
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| 06:54.23 | npx | sean_ sure it would, debian installs opengl libraries |
| 06:54.48 | npx | sean_ I.E. the development headers are referencing functions that are different because you've installed a different libGL.so |
| 06:54.50 | npx | follow me? |
| 06:54.58 | owh | FsckIt: Yes, but it is on the other side of the country in a different network, my network is totally separate. |
| 06:54.59 | valdyn_ | sean_: apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev. If you used the installer from nvidia, you're fscked |
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| 06:55.13 | sean_ | valdyn_: Will try. |
| 06:55.28 | npx | No, if you used the installer from nvidia just re-run it |
| 06:55.38 | npx | and it will copy over the devel files from the debian packages |
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| 06:55.53 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. how much do you know about ldap? |
| 06:56.00 | owh | FsckIt: SFA |
| 06:56.13 | npx | err, nvidia installs opengl libraries |
| 06:56.19 | FsckIt | owh: SFA? |
| 06:56.31 | owh | FsckIt: Sweet F*ck All |
| 06:56.40 | sean_ | Yeah, maybe it's useless to say so, but why can't the big companies play nice with each other? |
| 06:56.45 | valdyn_ | sean_: yea if you used to nvidia installer you have to rerun it each time you updadate xlibmesagl(-dev) |
| 06:56.58 | npx | sean_ nvidia *does* play nicely |
| 06:57.02 | cthulfuego | No, if you used the installer from nvidia, uninstall first, THEN install the debian packages. |
| 06:57.04 | sean_ | I'd be keen if they'd just use agreed-upon standards. |
| 06:57.06 | FsckIt | owh: ldap is simply a database, that is optimized for lots of lookups, but very few updates and deletes |
| 06:57.14 | npx | sean_ they released an installer that works on every linux distribution under the sun |
| 06:57.20 | owh | FsckIt: Excellent. |
| 06:57.28 | FsckIt | owh: do you know about relational databases like mysql or postgresql? |
| 06:57.31 | valdyn_ | sean_: nvidias installer does uninstall cleanly, its not bad at all really |
| 06:57.35 | sean_ | Okay, those suggestions helped make my woes go away. Thanks all. |
| 06:57.46 | owh | FsckIt: Yup, been playing with databases since dBase II |
| 06:57.57 | sean_ | valdyn_: I more mean free, open standards and code, not binaries playing well. |
| 06:58.12 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. well, ldap is NOT relational.. it is more hierarchal than anything else |
| 06:58.27 | owh | FsckIt: Understood |
| 06:58.51 | FsckIt | owh: and it's pretty much key->(value or set of values) |
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| 06:59.01 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 06:59.05 | npx | You want open source drivers for cutting edge 3D hardware? No problem, simply fund the development of said hardware and drivers |
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| 06:59.22 | npx | Otherwise, you're more or less boned |
| 06:59.45 | FsckIt | owh: now, it's meant to be global and shared, like DNS.. so you get a subsection of the tree to play with |
| 07:00.23 | MobyTurbo | npx: ATI 9200 or below has open source 3D, the only thing that's keeping that from happening on later ATI and all nvidia cards is that the manufactorers not releasing specs - not the lack of open source programmers to write the drivers. |
| 07:00.24 | owh | FsckIt: So, my part of the tree is my domain... |
| 07:00.26 | FsckIt | owh: in your case, your root will be "dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au" |
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| 07:00.34 | owh | FsckIt: Cool |
| 07:00.37 | npx | It was completely useless open source 3D |
| 07:00.57 | npx | s/was/has/ |
| 07:01.02 | blal | Is there a program which lists which process is listening on a particular port? (I want to see what's opened port 37) |
| 07:01.19 | FsckIt | owh: yes.. now, each object in ldap has what is called a distinguished name.. basically, it's One True Name in ldap |
| 07:01.27 | npx | For proof of this: try running doom 3 on a 9200. Then try running nwn on a 9200. Then try running ut2k3 on a 9200. Note any emergent pattern. |
| 07:01.39 | owh | FsckIt: So, the answer to the first installer's question is "itmaze.com.au", can the name of my organisation in the second question be user readable with spaces? |
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| 07:02.01 | FsckIt | owh: and that distinguished name is actually a comma delimited list of name=value pairs |
| 07:02.10 | owh | FsckIt: Ok |
| 07:02.27 | FsckIt | owh: yeah, use itmaze.com.au for the installer.. what's the second question, again? |
| 07:02.43 | owh | FsckIt: "Enter the name of your organisation" |
| 07:02.56 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so do so :-) |
| 07:03.06 | FsckIt | owh: IT Maze, maybe? |
| 07:03.22 | FsckIt | owh: or whatever the company name is, if it is a company... |
| 07:03.31 | MobyTurbo | npx: well, I have nvidia drivers since my computer came with a TNT2-M64. The problem is nvidia's latest binary drivers no longer support the card, which makes me need to get a new card. I've thought of getting the ATI since at least it won't get abandoned as long as a hacker still owns the card. |
| 07:03.32 | owh | FsckIt: "This will be stored as the name of your organization in the base DN of your LDAP directory" (It's this bit that sent me for a loop...) |
| 07:04.02 | npx | MobyTurbo neither will the TNT2 - you just download an older release of the nvidia drivers |
| 07:04.11 | FsckIt | owh: that's cool.. I'll explain that part in a bit |
| 07:04.33 | MobyTurbo | npx: not an option since the kernel ABI has changed again, which means I'll have to make my system buggy/insecure for a graphics driver. |
| 07:04.35 | FsckIt | owh: actually.. let's just answer the questions directly.. get a dump from ldap, and then go over it... ok? |
| 07:04.43 | blal | Is there a program which lists which process is listening on a particular port? (I want to see what's opened port 37) |
| 07:04.44 | owh | FsckIt: Will it confuse the masses if I name my organisation: "ITmaze.com.au" |
| 07:05.07 | FsckIt | owh: I would suggest that you don't name it that |
| 07:05.29 | npx | MobyTurbo Use 2.4,26, then - I assume that since you won't shell out the cash for a decent graphics card you don't have any hardware which necessitates using a 2.6 kernel |
| 07:05.35 | FsckIt | owh: is this domain a company? or your own private network, or what? (I'm just curious) |
| 07:06.21 | owh | FsckIt: It's my company, consisting of one person, me. It's called ITmaze, but some dweeb in the US keeps registering ITmaze.com, so I've started calling myself ITmaze.com.au |
| 07:06.24 | FsckIt | blal: netstat |
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| 07:07.14 | owh | FsckIt: This then allows mums and dads to type my URL without needing to use their brain :-) |
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| 07:08.13 | FsckIt | owh: well, I'd enter ITmaze here |
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| 07:08.21 | owh | FsckIt: Done. |
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| 07:08.40 | FsckIt | owh: the other thing to keep in mind is that all of this can be changed later (or even re-done, if necessary) |
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| 07:08.42 | deufo | hi, how do i make debian share files with my mac? |
| 07:08.49 | owh | FsckIt: I figured. |
| 07:08.54 | FsckIt | owh: so, are there any other questions? |
| 07:08.55 | MobyTurbo | sorry about that, darned dial-up |
| 07:09.03 | owh | FsckIt: Should I allow LDAPv2 protocol? |
| 07:09.20 | FsckIt | owh: *shrug* probably not |
| 07:09.26 | dondelelcaro | deufo: use scp, or appletalk, or whatever you want to use. |
| 07:09.36 | TheTom | what's a little tool for limitin upload. can i do that with apache directly? |
| 07:09.37 | FsckIt | dondelelcaro: samba? |
| 07:09.42 | owh | FsckIt: Well it's stopped asking me silly questions :-) |
| 07:09.42 | dondelelcaro | FsckIt: blech |
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| 07:10.02 | FsckIt | owh: that's primarily for older stuff that still wants to use v2, I think |
| 07:10.20 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, let's look at the slapd.conf file... |
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| 07:10.41 | owh | FsckIt: That's what it says, but of course I don't know if v3 arrived yesterday or three years ago :-) |
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| 07:10.47 | owh | FsckIt: Install complete. |
| 07:10.55 | FsckIt | owh: heh.. ok |
| 07:11.12 | owh | FsckIt: It's not in etc? |
| 07:11.30 | FsckIt | owh: /etc/ldap, I believe |
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| 07:11.38 | owh | FsckIt: Yup, just found it. |
| 07:11.39 | [Roosta] | i have a general routing question. I have a computer that has virtual system within it. the virtual system is on another network range. the host has an interface alias with an ip of the virtual system's network range, they can communicate with each other, but the virtual machine can't access the internet through the hosts default route. is this something i can do with another route, or is it NAT that I need? |
| 07:11.56 | owh | FsckIt: We have lift-off. |
| 07:12.31 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, let's go through the config file.. and I'm going to be going from memory here, since I don't have an example one in front of me |
| 07:12.31 | blal | FsckIt : "netstat -lnpt" only gives a PID for one port. The port in which I'm interested says "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:37 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN -" (some spaces omitted). What's up? I can't find more information in the man page. |
| 07:12.41 | owh | FsckIt: Sure |
| 07:13.36 | owh | FsckIt: I'm guessing that schema's are record formats. |
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| 07:14.29 | FsckIt | blal: well, /etc/services says 37 is the time protocol, so I'll bet you that inetd is listening on it.. check /etc/inetd.conf to see if time is enabled |
| 07:14.32 | invsbldu1k | blal: in your case you're going to see the process called inetd; it's used to spawn several common internet services |
| 07:14.42 | invsbldu1k | /etc/services does help |
| 07:15.11 | FsckIt | owh: basically.. you can see the schemas themselves in /etc/ldap/schema/ |
| 07:15.29 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. general ldap schema format... |
| 07:15.51 | FsckIt | owh: the various "things" in ldap are objects |
| 07:16.03 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 07:16.25 | FsckIt | owh: and those are described by various name=value pairs, and the allowed names are specified in the schema files |
| 07:16.45 | owh | FsckIt: And their formats and attributes also by the look of things. |
| 07:16.56 | FsckIt | owh: the schema files have attribute entries and structural entries |
| 07:16.59 | FsckIt | owh: right |
| 07:17.36 | blal | invsbldu1k : FsckIt ; Aha! /etc/xinetd.conf has a section for time-stream. Package xinetd has the file /etc/xinetd.d/time. I did "disable=yes" in that file. I didn't catch the time-stream service listed in the main file. A visit to /var/log/daemon.log made all clear. |
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| 07:18.01 | owh | FsckIt: And it looks like you can also define hierarchical relationships between fields. |
| 07:18.07 | FsckIt | owh: you notice that for various objectClasses (i.e. ldap-speak for object types), there are MUST attributes and there are MAY attributes |
| 07:18.22 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 07:18.46 | FsckIt | owh: yes.. the top-most objectClass is 'top', and then other objectClasses can use that one and add attributes |
| 07:18.51 | el | I was wondering if any1 knows how to get a ati 9200 working properly in debian, it works for screen savers and stuff, but if i try to run a game, or some mroe advanced 3d stuff...it freezez comp |
| 07:18.59 | blal | invsbldu1k : FsckIt : ...and port 37's closed. So, netstat doesn't always display the PID of programs listening on a port, eh? |
| 07:19.02 | npx | hahaha |
| 07:19.03 | owh | FsckIt: In typical object oriented style :-) |
| 07:19.19 | npx | Yeah, those open source 3D drivers rock! |
| 07:19.21 | FsckIt | owh: the weird numbers, by the way, are assigned numbers (don't ask me how or where.. I just ignore those, mostly) |
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| 07:19.56 | owh | FsckIt: I note there is a central repository of schemas in openldap.org, so you can share definitions :-) |
| 07:20.04 | FsckIt | owh: yep |
| 07:20.21 | owh | FsckIt: Next you'll tell me that it actually works :-) |
| 07:20.35 | npx | owh =D |
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| 07:21.01 | FsckIt | owh: and various packages will come with a schema (or you can get one from source code).. for instance, there's a samba schema out there, as well as a courier one, and so on... |
| 07:21.13 | FsckIt | owh: what actually works? |
| 07:21.14 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, I understand. |
| 07:21.15 | el | ne ideas about ATI ne1? |
| 07:21.29 | owh | FsckIt: The integration between the rest of the world :-) |
| 07:21.31 | MobyTurbo | !ne |
| 07:21.31 | dpkg | i guess ne is the driver for ISA NE2000 compatible NICs, or neon, or short for "not equal", or l33t speak for "any" |
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| 07:21.33 | npx | el, My suggestion would be to get an nvidia card |
| 07:21.35 | moodsoft | hi all, under KDE the test sound sound works, but configuring what sounds plays when nothing happens when I try to sample the sound. any ideas? |
| 07:21.39 | FsckIt | owh: only mostly |
| 07:21.51 | owh | FsckIt: ROTFL |
| 07:21.53 | el | thanx...very helpfull |
| 07:22.00 | npx | that's what I'm here for |
| 07:22.00 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, on a command line, do an 'ldapsearch -x' |
| 07:22.08 | FsckIt | owh: what is returned? |
| 07:22.13 | owh | FsckIt: As whom? |
| 07:22.23 | FsckIt | owh: as onno, if you'd like |
| 07:22.54 | owh | FsckIt: Extended LDIF, search: 2, 32, No such object. |
| 07:23.17 | FsckIt | owh: ok... there's nothing in your database, yet |
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| 07:23.26 | owh | FsckIt: Surprising :-) |
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| 07:23.52 | FsckIt | owh: so, let's look back at that the config file.. actually, just read through it, and ask any questions that come up, I guess |
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| 07:24.43 | owh | FsckIt: I'm guessing schemacheck on, means, enforce the schema you say you're adding and dis-allow bogus records. |
| 07:24.56 | FsckIt | owh: yep |
| 07:25.05 | owh | FsckIt: what does backend dbd mean? |
| 07:25.17 | owh | s/dbd/bdb/ |
| 07:25.31 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. ldap is simply the protocol used to query the database.. the format on disk can vary |
| 07:25.35 | moodsoft | hi all, under KDE the test sound sound works, but configuring what sounds plays when nothing happens when I try to sample the sound. any ideas? |
| 07:26.02 | owh | FsckIt: So I could store it with ODBC/MySQL/PostGress/Oracle/etc... |
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| 07:26.20 | owh | FsckIt: What does index objectClass eq |
| 07:26.21 | FsckIt | owh: bdb means that the info is stored on a berkeley db file.. there are other db files that openldap can use, as well as weird things like shell scripts |
| 07:26.30 | owh | FsckIt: Sure |
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| 07:27.01 | FsckIt | owh: in theory you could do postgresql or whatever, but I don't think it does that now |
| 07:27.26 | owh | FsckIt: Apart from the index objectClass eq, it all seems pretty obvious. |
| 07:27.50 | FsckIt | owh: that means that ldap should keep an index on the objectClass attribute, for comparing when objectClass=<whatever> |
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| 07:27.59 | FsckIt | owh: that's for performance reasons |
| 07:28.14 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, well that was simple, hit me with more :-) |
| 07:28.32 | el | can i install ati drives that come as a .rpm in debian? |
| 07:28.34 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. in the config file is there a rootpw command? |
| 07:28.49 | owh | FsckIt: Nope |
| 07:28.53 | streuner__ | el: /msg dpkg alien |
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| 07:29.35 | FsckIt | owh: how about rootdn? |
| 07:29.43 | owh | FsckIt: The installer already asked me for the admin password if that helps. |
| 07:29.56 | FsckIt | ok |
| 07:30.21 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. how about rootdn? |
| 07:30.40 | owh | FsckIt: No occurrence of the word 'root'. |
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| 07:31.12 | owh | FsckIt: We have suffix "dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au" |
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| 07:32.40 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. can you do for me a ldapsearch -x -b "dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au" |
| 07:33.14 | owh | FsckIt: We get success |
| 07:33.25 | FsckIt | owh: what all is returned? |
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| 07:34.09 | owh | FsckIt: We get back "itmaze.com.au", "admin, itmaze.com.au", "search result" and their respective values. |
| 07:34.09 | marccd | how can I send a process to the background while its running? is there a Ctrl modifier? |
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| 07:34.33 | loke | marccd you cant start it with & before its running, foo& |
| 07:34.55 | marccd | loke: I know, but what Ive asked in my question is my question |
| 07:35.00 | owh | marccd: If it is already running press ctrl-z, then type bg [enter] |
| 07:35.06 | marccd | thaqnks |
| 07:35.14 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. that cn=admin,dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au is basically the "name" for "root" (i.e. the ldap user that can do anything) as far as ldap is concerned |
| 07:35.35 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 07:35.48 | marccd | owh: thanks |
| 07:36.28 | owh | FsckIt: (The give-away was the value: "Descriptio: LDAP administrator" :-) |
| 07:36.33 | MobyTurbo | marccd: control z followed by typing "bg", or when starting append an & |
| 07:36.49 | FsckIt | owh: heh.. whatever |
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| 07:36.59 | owh | FsckIt: hehe |
| 07:37.08 | FsckIt | owh: ok, so let's add 'internal' to ldap |
| 07:37.09 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, what's next. |
| 07:37.23 | owh | FsckIt: As a place to store things? |
| 07:37.37 | FsckIt | owh: yeah |
| 07:37.43 | owh | FsckIt: Sure |
| 07:37.49 | owh | FsckIt: Show me the way... |
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| 07:38.16 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, open up in your favorite text editor a file named internal.ldif |
| 07:38.51 | owh | FsckIt: Does the file need to live anywhere specific? |
| 07:39.00 | FsckIt | owh: nope |
| 07:39.54 | owh | MobyTurbo: Turn off call-waiting... |
| 07:39.56 | FsckIt | owh: and put into it the following lines |
| 07:40.27 | MobyTurbo | owh: I don't think I have call waiting. |
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| 07:40.44 | owh | MobyTurbo: If an incoming phone call kicks you off-line, you do. |
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| 07:41.43 | FsckIt | owh: dn: ou=Internal,dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au |
| 07:41.46 | MobyTurbo | owh: the phone didn't ring at all, and this is a "universal service" phone line, I doubt I have any special features. |
| 07:42.15 | FsckIt | owh: objectClass: organizationalUnit |
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| 07:42.16 | FsckIt | owh: ou: Internal |
| 07:42.58 | moodsoft | if you have gdm installed, is it possible to tell it I wan't a shell only, w/o kde being loaded? |
| 07:43.23 | FsckIt | owh: ok, done.. (without the 'owh:' at the beginning of each line, of course) |
| 07:43.31 | Iron | reword? |
| 07:43.40 | invsblduck | ~nickometer az[a]zel |
| 07:43.40 | apt | 'az[a]zel' is 10.000% lame, invsblduck |
| 07:43.55 | loke | lol |
| 07:44.07 | az[a]zel | not too shabby |
| 07:44.13 | invsblduck | heh |
| 07:44.13 | owh | FsckIt: Do I need any trailing empty lines? |
| 07:44.40 | loke | ~nickometer invsblduck |
| 07:44.40 | apt | 'invsblduck' is 0.000% lame, loke |
| 07:44.47 | FsckIt | owh: no, you don't.. I don't think they'd hurt anything either |
| 07:45.00 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, file is saved. |
| 07:45.04 | loke | ~nickometer loke |
| 07:45.04 | apt | 'loke' is 0.000% lame, loke |
| 07:45.07 | MobyTurbo | ~nickometer MobyTurbo |
| 07:45.07 | apt | 'MobyTurbo' is 0.000% lame, mobyturbo |
| 07:45.14 | FsckIt | owh: saying power? |
| 07:45.18 | FsckIt | staying, rather |
| 07:45.23 | loke | ~nickometer myass |
| 07:45.23 | apt | 'myass' is 0.000% lame, loke |
| 07:45.41 | owh | FsckIt: Sticking around helping like this. Much appreciated. |
| 07:45.44 | invsblduck | ~lart children |
| 07:45.53 | FsckIt | owh: oh, you're welcome.. |
| 07:46.06 | FsckIt | owh: so.. now, you are going to want to use the ldapadd command.. |
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| 07:46.35 | FsckIt | owh: ldapadd -x -D "cn=admin,dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au" -W -f internal.ldif |
| 07:46.51 | owh | FsckIt: Like an SQL INSERT I'm guessing :-) |
| 07:47.02 | FsckIt | owh: vaguely |
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| 07:47.15 | tdfc | ~svn |
| 07:47.16 | apt | well, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
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| 07:47.21 | tdfc | ~subversion |
| 07:47.22 | apt | subversion is, like, version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 07:47.29 | owh | FsckIt: adding new entry "ou=Internal,dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au" |
| 07:47.36 | invsblduck | ~exploit |
| 07:47.39 | tdfc | ~install subversion on debian woody |
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| 07:48.03 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. now let's do the SELECT again.. |
| 07:48.15 | MobyTurbo | ~botabuse |
| 07:48.16 | apt | Stop tormenting me! |
| 07:48.17 | FsckIt | owh: ldapsearch -x "(objectClass=ou)" |
| 07:48.59 | owh | FsckIt: Your command didn't work for me, but my bash history version gave me an extra result. |
| 07:49.44 | FsckIt | owh: how about ldapsearch -x "(objectClass=organizationalUnit)" |
| 07:50.00 | FsckIt | owh: helps to search for something actually there :-) |
| 07:50.00 | owh | FsckIt: Nope |
| 07:50.16 | owh | FsckIt: No such object |
| 07:50.24 | FsckIt | owh: are you typing in the quotes and the parentheses? |
| 07:50.28 | tummyacid | is there a console aol instant messenger client |
| 07:50.47 | owh | FsckIt: I'm selecting the command off IRC and pasting it into bash. |
| 07:51.07 | FsckIt | owh: weird.. that should work |
| 07:51.12 | daft_ | tummyacid have you searched for it? |
| 07:51.14 | MobyTurbo | tummyacid: centericq is one of them |
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| 07:51.38 | tummyacid | ive seached |
| 07:51.42 | tummyacid | anyone heard of caim"? |
| 07:51.52 | FsckIt | owh: but the one from earlier gives the new entry we just added? |
| 07:52.04 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 07:52.24 | FsckIt | owh: the one with -b, or without? |
| 07:52.32 | MobyTurbo | tummyacid: despite the name centericq supports multiple protocols, including AIM |
| 07:52.35 | owh | FsckIt: With |
| 07:52.39 | daft_ | tummyacid, do you mean naim |
| 07:52.45 | owh | FsckIt: ldapsearch -x -b "dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au" |
| 07:52.47 | tummyacid | apt-get likes centericq |
| 07:52.50 | blal | Does anyone know whether a laptop w/ a 1GHz PIII, 256MB is likely to support CardBus devices? |
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| 07:52.57 | FsckIt | owh: oh, ok.. what does 'ldapsearch -x' give? |
| 07:53.07 | tummyacid | i checked the man but i couldnt find out how to uninstall with apt |
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| 07:53.13 | blal | (256MB ram, OS = WinXP Pro) |
| 07:53.21 | owh | FsckIt: No such object |
| 07:53.30 | MobyTurbo | tummyacid: in order to search for packages, use "apt-cache search" to find packages, and "apt-cache show" to show more details |
| 07:53.37 | FsckIt | owh: oh, ok.. I know what's going on, I think |
| 07:53.49 | FsckIt | blal: does it have a slot for a cardbus card? |
| 07:54.04 | FsckIt | owh: go to /etc/ldap, and look at the ldap.conf file |
| 07:54.06 | MobyTurbo | tummyacid: uninstalling is "apt-get remove" or to remove control files too "remove --purge" |
| 07:54.23 | pilgrim | (note: i'm not debian user but I need someones help) when I press the "lid closing" button or pin in my laptop then look at the /var/log/messages I see two lines like this "Jan 23 00:31:24 warppower logger: ACPI group button / action lid is not defined" my question is why two lines? Why is it trapping this signal twice? |
| 07:54.25 | blal | FsckIt : How do I tell? It has two slots for PC cards. |
| 07:54.28 | owh | blal: Uhm, cardbus is 16bit, I doubt it. |
| 07:54.46 | blal | owh : You mean 32bit? |
| 07:55.00 | owh | blal, no cardbus is 16bit AFAIK |
| 07:55.07 | tummyacid | thnx |
| 07:55.16 | FsckIt | blal: oh, nevermind.. I was thinking you were asking about whether it supports cards in general.. not about particular types |
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| 07:55.32 | Iron | derp? |
| 07:55.35 | MobyTurbo | pilgrim: what made you decide that #debian is the dumping ground for all Linux advice? For distro-nonspecic help, there's ##linux and #linuxhelp |
| 07:55.59 | blal | owh : source: http://kb.indiana.edu/data/ahtn.html?cust=465605.01178.30 ==> "Cardbus is an extension of the latest PCMCIA standard, which expands the bus bandwidth and throughput to 32 bits at 33Mhz." |
| 07:56.24 | FsckIt | owh: specifically.. you need to look at the BASE option |
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| 07:56.36 | owh | FsckIt: I note that there are no actual active directives in that file, all is commented out. |
| 07:56.37 | pilgrim | MobyTurbo, thanks...I just though debain was the clossest neighbour (my second fav. distro)...I hope I didn't offend you or anyone :) |
| 07:56.51 | blal | FsckIt : I have a laptop; I'm going shopping for a NIC. I'm trying to determine what's compatible w/ my laptop. |
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| 07:56.54 | FsckIt | owh: ok, then you need to add a BASE option :-) |
| 07:57.05 | FsckIt | blal: how old is the laptop? |
| 07:57.09 | Beccara | does anyone know of a debian package for the mach64 driver? |
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| 07:57.29 | daft_ | blal, go to the pc store with your problem if it isnt wordking trade it in for a other one |
| 07:57.33 | mwilson | "mach64 driver"? |
| 07:57.46 | blal | FsckIt : Circa 2001 or 2002. I'm leaning toward 2001. |
| 07:57.51 | Beccara | 3d driver for rage 3d pro |
| 07:58.01 | Beccara | i dont wanna have to recompile the DRI |
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| 07:58.15 | mwilson | Then say that, since X knows what a Mach64 is perfectly well. |
| 07:58.21 | blal | daft_ : I like to purchase online; the prices are generally better. |
| 07:58.48 | owh | FsckIt: I'm guessing that the suffix line from slapd.conf with s/suffix/BASE/ and s/"// will suffice, giving me: BASE dc=itmaze, dc=com, dc=au |
| 07:58.58 | mwilson | Mach64 being a name that covers a whole set of ATi cards back into the late 90's |
| 07:59.02 | daft_ | unless you dont know if it works out :) |
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| 07:59.18 | FsckIt | blal: yeah.. I just scrolled up to see about the PIII bit.. I'd imagine that pretty much any card sold there should work, but please don't quote me on that :-) |
| 07:59.25 | FsckIt | owh: I think so |
| 07:59.27 | owh | FsckIt: I'd advise to bring a knoppix CD, insert it into your laptop, boot from it, try the card in the shop and see if it works. |
| 07:59.29 | Beccara | is there a package to suport the 3d driver? |
| 07:59.33 | daft_ | btw what is the great advantice with the new cardbus for a nic? |
| 07:59.39 | FsckIt | owh: yeah |
| 07:59.45 | M0rph3us1337 | god i fucking hate intel why can't they make linux support for their shit i mean come on if you release something can't you at least make it work for everyone?! |
| 07:59.52 | blal | FsckIt : :) |
| 07:59.52 | owh | FsckIt: Do I need to restart any services? |
| 08:00.02 | M0rph3us1337 | if anyone can help me find 915p drivers i would be much obliged |
| 08:00.20 | M0rph3us1337 | i've been looking for like 2 days and i still don't have anything |
| 08:00.27 | FsckIt | owh: no.. that's the config file for ldap clients.. so, just run ldapsearch again |
| 08:00.36 | FsckIt | owh: without -b |
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| 08:01.03 | owh | M0rph3us1337: It's even better when they leave the name of the hardware the same, but change the PCI/ID... |
| 08:01.15 | owh | FsckIt: We have lift-off on all the previous commands. |
| 08:01.52 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: ain't that the truth i'm really contemplating selling off this piece of shit they sold me and buying an a64 computer cuz at least those have linux support |
| 08:02.12 | daft_ | oO |
| 08:02.13 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. the stuff in internal.ldif is the ldif (ldap data interchange format, I think) for the Internal organizational Unit |
| 08:02.20 | owh | M0rph3us1337: You could always buy a PPC based machine, or a SPARC :-) |
| 08:02.33 | FsckIt | owh: also, try this: ldapsearch -x "(ou=Internal)" |
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| 08:03.13 | blal | M0rph3us1337 : Look before you leap (purchase)... |
| 08:03.32 | owh | FsckIt: Yup, so I'm basically querying on record values. |
| 08:03.52 | marinos | i have this problem ... http://curium.homeunix.org/~marinos/pics/screenshots/NVidia-Errors/c3324-Linux-nvidia-20050123-0639.png ...after updateing kernel to 2.6.8 and nvidia drivers to 1.0-6629 on Debian Linux (testing) |
| 08:03.53 | FsckIt | owh: right |
| 08:03.54 | M0rph3us1337 | blal: i guess i will from now on since i kinda screwed the pooch on this one |
| 08:04.06 | cthulfuego | Beccara: There used to be a dri-trunk driver, but 3D performance is so shit, just don't bother. |
| 08:04.10 | daft_ | Only thing they ever sold me with "linux" support was a nic with a nice tux on it. Not even a Note what driver it was "after long searching unsuported" makes me pull my ears of my head |
| 08:04.22 | owh | M0rph3us1337: I find that Intel support happens pretty quick, so I'd not despair. |
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| 08:05.17 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: well i'm kinda getting sick of doing all command line stuff i'd like to have a little bit of X action going on |
| 08:05.35 | owh | M0rph3us1337: Nothing wrong with a command line :-) |
| 08:05.45 | daft_ | marinos, looks dekcuf |
| 08:05.51 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: also i've had this board for like 2 months how long after a release does it usually take them to come out with linux or open source drivers |
| 08:05.54 | MobyTurbo | M0rph3us1337: my motherboad's an intel one, it seems well supported, but my video is via an nvidia card. |
| 08:06.13 | owh | M0rph3us1337: It won't come from Intel, it will come from lkml. |
| 08:06.20 | marinos | daft_: all the desktop is shitty |
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| 08:06.46 | marinos | the drivers were working before with 2.6.6 kernel and almost same kernel configuration |
| 08:06.48 | M0rph3us1337 | MobyTurbo: i also have an nvidia card but i can't find PCI-e support for linux from intel so i'm kinda screwed on that but for some reason i also can't do frame buffer either i don't know why |
| 08:06.48 | owh | FsckIt: Hmm, so I'm still a little hazy on how I'd store something like contacts, or would my lovely GUI take care of that? |
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| 08:06.56 | Alogon | is there netstumbler for linux? |
| 08:07.00 | FsckIt | owh: hold on a bit.. ok? |
| 08:07.08 | daft_ | I have never problems with my nvidia driver |
| 08:07.12 | cthulfuego | Alogon: No, there is kismet, which is better in every conceivable way. |
| 08:07.14 | owh | FsckIt: Sure |
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| 08:07.29 | marinos | daft_: neither did i since this change |
| 08:07.42 | Alogon | cthulfuego : cool thanks, how is air snort? |
| 08:08.03 | blal | Does anyone have a good sense of how to repair a laptop whose ethernet jack has been damaged by mashing a phone plug in it? (thus bending the prongs) Does one simply bend the prongs back, or is there something more to know? |
| 08:08.07 | cthulfuego | Alogon: crappy, imo. |
| 08:08.09 | MobyTurbo | marinos: what type of nvidia card do you have? Mine, an old TNT2 M64, failed with the latest binary drivers (but the "nv" drivers work.) |
| 08:08.17 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: how long does a release usually take to come out for new hardware like 3 months or so? |
| 08:08.38 | marinos | MobyTurbo: mine is a Riva TNT2 (also old) |
| 08:08.55 | mwilson | Why do people buy these things without finding out if they're supported FIRST? |
| 08:08.59 | MobyTurbo | marinos: nvidia has dropped support for TNT2. |
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| 08:09.05 | marinos | http://curium.homeunix.org/~marinos/pics/screenshots/NVidia-Errors/c3324-Linux-nv-20050123-0851.png |
| 08:09.08 | owh | M0rph3us1337: I've never had any issue, by the time I had the hardware, the software was available. Specifically what are you trying to get support for and where have you looked? |
| 08:09.24 | marinos | MobyTurbo: really ? |
| 08:09.30 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: when I bought my card it was supported - now it's not... I can live without GL though. |
| 08:09.45 | MobyTurbo | marinos: that's according to the information on nvidia's message boards. |
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| 08:09.53 | zinx | nVidia dropped support for the TNT2? o_O |
| 08:09.54 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: i'm trying to get pci-e support so i can install my vid card and run X with it and i have looked just about everywhere i've looked in forums, i've tried to google it but still to no avail |
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| 08:09.57 | marinos | Ohh i didnt knew that |
| 08:10.03 | zinx | like, doesn't officially support it, or the drivers don't work with it at all? |
| 08:10.07 | marinos | then i could use the old drivers then |
| 08:10.11 | daft_ | MobyTurbo, try a old nvidia source then |
| 08:10.14 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: pci-e does not need explicit support afaik |
| 08:10.14 | Alogon | cthulfuego : alright thanks about to start compiling kismet |
| 08:10.19 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: How is it suddenly not supported? Was there some viral program that magically destroyed the drivers? |
| 08:10.20 | owh | M0rph3us1337: Did you look for your specific chip-set? |
| 08:10.25 | daft_ | marinos imean |
| 08:10.27 | streuner__ | Any guess when ipv6 will be the default? |
| 08:10.28 | cthulfuego | Alogon: Why the hell would you do that? |
| 08:10.30 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: wut do you mean? |
| 08:10.39 | MobyTurbo | daft_: the new kernel ABI isn't supported by any working nvidia drivers. |
| 08:10.48 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: yes i did and i even tried close chipsets such as the 915G instead of the 915P which i have |
| 08:10.52 | MobyTurbo | daft_: except the latest, which don't support my card. |
| 08:10.54 | mwilson | So you run an older kernel. |
| 08:10.56 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: that pcie ought to "just work" |
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| 08:11.21 | cthulfuego | Alogon: 'apt-get install kismet' |
| 08:11.22 | MobyTurbo | zinx: no, it doesn't work. The system doesn't go past the splash screens. |
| 08:11.27 | daft_ | I heard that there is no problem with 2.0.42 kernel :p |
| 08:11.32 | MobyTurbo | s/screens/screen |
| 08:11.36 | zinx | MobyTurbo: sure you don't have system misconfiguration? |
| 08:11.44 | Alogon | cthulfuego i broke my apt :-P |
| 08:11.44 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: well wut might the issue be then because i can do command line all day long but as soon as i try to run X it won't initialize my video so i don't know wuts going on... |
| 08:11.45 | marinos | 2.0.42 is ancient |
| 08:11.48 | MobyTurbo | zinx: positive. |
| 08:11.55 | zinx | MobyTurbo: dunno then. |
| 08:11.55 | vladas | any ideas what to do in order to get xserver running on debian woody with geforce 4 video card |
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| 08:12.06 | Alogon | cthulfuego : and debian isnt my normal distro :-) |
| 08:12.08 | cthulfuego | Alogon: You don't think maybe you should fix it, rather then overwrite files with sources? |
| 08:12.09 | streuner__ | vladas: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 08:12.36 | zinx | MobyTurbo: use 1.0-6111 |
| 08:12.39 | MobyTurbo | I'm saving up $50 to get a cheap Geforce nvidia card or an ATI. |
| 08:12.45 | daft_ | vladas, apt-get install nvidia source read the readme |
| 08:13.00 | streuner__ | vladas: check out xfree86.org, if your videocard is supported of xfree86 your are fine, just use 'nv' |
| 08:13.02 | FsckIt | owh: here's a ldif file for you |
| 08:13.04 | cthulfuego | MobyTurbo: Go GeForce if you want excellent Linux 3D, ATI if you want better Windows 3D. |
| 08:13.04 | Alogon | cthulfuego : well i installed xorg from debs i found on another site.. and now apt thinks like 20 of my lib files are not needed, i dont want it to break anything and dont know how to tell it not to remove them |
| 08:13.23 | cthulfuego | Alogon: Oh, you it's not broken, you intentionally broke it. |
| 08:13.26 | M0rph3us1337 | MobyTurbo: you can go on pricewatch or something and get a radeon 9000 for about $30 if you want to use a last generation card, seeing as anything is better than what you are using now |
| 08:13.27 | MobyTurbo | cthulfuego: I don't run Windows so I don't care about that. |
| 08:13.29 | vladas | streuner__ nv doesnt work as debian woody doesnt support it |
| 08:13.32 | streuner__ | vladas: you might use in this case X 4.3 |
| 08:13.35 | cthulfuego | MobyTurbo: go nvidia then |
| 08:14.00 | streuner__ | vladas: apt-get.org has a backport |
| 08:14.11 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: i dont know if I can help you, but no one on earth can help you if you dont provide specific info, like the line containing th (EE) in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:14.12 | owh | FsckIt: Hmm, it's waiting for the transfer to begin... |
| 08:14.17 | streuner__ | vladas: check out xfree86.org first |
| 08:14.21 | Alogon | cthulfuego : yea, pretty much, didnt know that the debs would break apt |
| 08:14.35 | mwilson | Alogon: They didn't. |
| 08:14.45 | vladas | I see that is too complicated for me cuz it is my should be my first distro |
| 08:14.50 | daft_ | $30 cheap |
| 08:14.53 | MobyTurbo | vladas: don't let my tales of "nvidia" driver woe discourage you, "nv" works here fine and should for you as well. |
| 08:15.13 | Alogon | MobyTurbo : new ati cards are hard to get drivers for... ati only makes them in rpm and the rpm to deb thing didnt work well for it so i ended up trying another distro |
| 08:15.21 | streuner__ | vladas: we can't help if you don't want read a short README or URL |
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| 08:15.36 | daft_ | MobyTurbo, nv isnt GL friendly friendly spoken |
| 08:15.41 | vladas | MobyTurbo nv doesnt work not vesa |
| 08:15.44 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. that's having some issues, so let's try the gui approach.. |
| 08:15.46 | Alogon | mwilson : i am scared that apt is going to remove files i dont want removed.. i got these debs for xorg from another site |
| 08:15.54 | FsckIt | owh: open up thunderbird |
| 08:15.56 | owh | FsckIt: :-) |
| 08:15.59 | streuner__ | vladas: read /msg dpkg nvidia then |
| 08:16.05 | mwilson | Alogon: That doesn't make apt broken. |
| 08:16.13 | vladas | ok i will |
| 08:16.24 | cthulfuego | Notable those xorg packages were probably broken. |
| 08:16.26 | owh | FsckIt: Yup, open. |
| 08:16.42 | cthulfuego | Or you installed xorg via apt-get and ALSO a bunch of other shit that site hosted. |
| 08:16.50 | daft_ | Alogon, there shall be a good reson why xorg isnt even in sid yet |
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| 08:17.03 | vladas | streuner__ Im running knoppix live cd now. is there a way to start installing vector distro if I have a ISO file. I can no burn it as knoppix is using the cdrom |
| 08:17.04 | FsckIt | owh: now, click on 'Address Book' in the toolbar |
| 08:17.11 | streuner__ | daft_: sarge |
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| 08:17.30 | Alogon | daft_ it runs perfectally stable under my gentoo, and under this knoppix remaster :-\ |
| 08:17.36 | streuner__ | vladas: /msg dpkg knoppix2debian |
| 08:17.36 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite vladas |
| 08:17.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon vladas. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 08:17.39 | FsckIt | owh: and go to File->New->LDAP Directory |
| 08:17.46 | cthulfuego | Alogon: Neither of those are Debian. |
| 08:17.54 | mwilson | Alogon: And what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 08:18.36 | daft_ | Alogon, debian has a dependence to mantain gentoo nor knoppix has to do that |
| 08:18.37 | vladas | streuner__ could i run this in a shell? |
| 08:18.40 | Alogon | mwilson he was saying there is a reasion that xorg isnt even in any version of debian yet, and i was telling him i have no trouble with it |
| 08:18.48 | FsckIt | owh: ok? |
| 08:18.52 | streuner__ | !tell vladas about knoppix2debian |
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| 08:18.54 | owh | FsckIt: Name=ITmaze, Hostname=localhost, Base DN=???, Port=389, Bind DN=??? |
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| 08:19.16 | cthulfuego | Alogon: Just because it runs ok on you rex86 box doesn't mean it runs (or even compiles) in ppc or arm or whatever else. |
| 08:19.16 | FsckIt | owh: base dn= dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au |
| 08:19.20 | mwilson | Alogon: Good for you. What does that fact have to do with Xorg not being in Debian like he said, other than nothing at all? |
| 08:19.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell Alogon about xorg |
| 08:19.28 | daft_ | xorg will be in sarge the moment sarge is stable (atleast that was in the topic) |
| 08:19.28 | vladas | than you I've got it |
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| 08:19.35 | FsckIt | owh: for now, put the bind dn as cn=admin,dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au |
| 08:19.41 | cthulfuego | daft_: No, it will go into Sid when Sarge is stable. |
| 08:19.52 | mwilson | daft_: No, actually that wasn't in the topic, as Xorg will never be in Sarge. |
| 08:19.57 | cthulfuego | daft_: .. and thus end up in Etch. Not Sarge. |
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| 08:20.09 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 08:20.15 | daft_ | dont know I dont run sarge |
| 08:20.20 | dondelelcaro | assuming sarge stays on the schedule it's on currently, of course. |
| 08:20.27 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. now, try to add a new entry, and see what happens :-) |
| 08:20.33 | cthulfuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah, tomorrow what time they releasing it? |
| 08:20.44 | owh | FsckIt: Should I not see Internal already? |
| 08:21.02 | mwilson | Sarge? Released? Surely you jest. |
| 08:21.02 | dondelelcaro | cthulfuego: tomorrow at 24:00:01 |
| 08:21.07 | daft_ | damn\ |
| 08:21.09 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: it says (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0), then there is another that says (EE) No drivers available |
| 08:21.16 | M0rph3us1337 | does that help? |
| 08:21.17 | Phated | Sarge is getting release? Wooo... |
| 08:21.17 | FsckIt | owh: I don't think so.. you could make Internal be the base dn, if you like |
| 08:21.30 | daft_ | fking samurai jack movies i have downloaded |
| 08:21.41 | owh | FsckIt: Does that make it private, or just obscure? |
| 08:21.46 | streuner__ | dondelelcaro: was that a joke? i can't believe it...? |
| 08:21.47 | beeblebrox87 | my ibook (runnin debian linux sid, kernel 2.6.9-powerpc) keeps snow-crashing. i'll just be using it normally and lots of horizontal lines start appearing across the screen, which increase in frequency if i try to type or use the mouse (though the pointer itself doesn't move). after a while this degrades into total insanity, random pixels everywhere, appearing to scroll upwards. if i try to switch to a console the randomness stops and i'm back to t |
| 08:21.52 | mwilson | Phated: Never happen. |
| 08:21.52 | dbeal | Someone know how to setup mkinitrd with /dev/md_d0? It just fails with "Unknown root - proceed manually" |
| 08:21.58 | FsckIt | owh: what do you mean? |
| 08:22.03 | daft_ | in one hour my pc will have 24 hour uptime (i always turn it on when I wake up) |
| 08:22.06 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: forget about the GLcore "error", it doesn't hurt. Install the driver youre trying to use or use an installed driver |
| 08:22.29 | Phated | mwilson: Well, yes. It's just... so sudden, to hear about sarge actually having any kind of release... |
| 08:22.33 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 08:22.33 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 08:22.38 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: so i should just reinstall my video drivers and that might help? |
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| 08:22.39 | owh | FsckIt: If I make Internal the base dn, does that keep the contacts private, or just only visible to those who know to look for Internal? |
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| 08:23.06 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: which video driver exactly did you install? |
| 08:23.06 | FsckIt | owh: only those who know to look for Internal + those who have access to your LDAP server |
| 08:23.08 | mwilson | beeblebrox87: Welcome to unstable. |
| 08:23.25 | beeblebrox87 | (incidentally, trying to ssh or ping the machine in question after this occurs fails) |
| 08:23.47 | FsckIt | owh: openldap supports access lists in the case where you want to really make them private |
| 08:23.55 | daft_ | when sarge is stable i gona burn a new debian install cd I think my potato is out dated :/ |
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| 08:23.57 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: i installed the newest nvidia linux drivers available on their website, is there a specific set of drivers that may have better compatability? |
| 08:24.08 | valdyn_ | !nvidia |
| 08:24.08 | dpkg | [nvidia] To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 08:24.13 | owh | FsckIt: How do I deal with contacts that are common to onno, and those that are common to fran, or do I make a global address book? What do I do with custom contact data like phone calls made etc? |
| 08:24.42 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, 3 peeps here told you some thing diverent |
| 08:24.46 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: use the uninstall feature of nvidias installer first |
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| 08:24.59 | beeblebrox87 | mwilson: i've been using unstable for the past 4 years, this is the first time anything much has happened. you sure it's just a buggy package somewhere? i was worried it might be a hardware problem |
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| 08:25.25 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: are those two documents both on that site and if so that is the only way to install nvidia onto debian? |
| 08:25.34 | Alogon | HAY! i let apt do its thing and nothing is broken :-) i have more faith in apt now! |
| 08:25.36 | owh | beeblebrox87: I use the ultimate boot cd to track down hardware faults. |
| 08:25.41 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: after installing the nvidia debs, run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ( or do that now already ). Also /msg dpkg x md5 if you edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 directly |
| 08:25.41 | FsckIt | owh: hold on a bit.. let's make sure this will work first (I've not actually used thunderbird to add a new ldap entry.. only look them up) |
| 08:25.44 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: could be a problem with 2.6.9. |
| 08:26.00 | owh | FsckIt: Cool, will make Internal the base dn. |
| 08:26.15 | owh | FsckIt: On second thought, I'll leave it for the moment. |
| 08:26.32 | beeblebrox87 | dondelelcaro: i've been using 2.6.9 for a month, this only started yesterday |
| 08:26.37 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: you see those 2 documents by messageing dpkg like /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 08:26.54 | FsckIt | owh: for right now, I'd make dc=ITmaze,... the base dn |
| 08:26.54 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx Unpack the nvida in /usr/src then after make-kpkg <...> kernel-image make-kpkg modules-image |
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| 08:27.12 | daft_ | entire nvidia howto in 3 lines |
| 08:27.13 | owh | FsckIt: Like we had it when we started? |
| 08:27.20 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. yeah |
| 08:27.36 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: note though that nvidia drivers were removed from sarge so you probably best get them from packages.debian.org and sid |
| 08:27.38 | FsckIt | owh: so, try to add a new card, and let's see what happens, ok? |
| 08:27.53 | streuner__ | beeblebrox87: there were a buch of KDE packages in sid yesterday... |
| 08:28.03 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: what if i have drivers previously installed i should delete them first correct? |
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| 08:28.13 | dondelelcaro | bradfed: well, figure out what you updated and look at it... |
| 08:28.28 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, nope |
| 08:28.30 | beeblebrox87 | streuner__: you think those could cause this? |
| 08:28.40 | dondelelcaro | s/bradfed/beeblebrox87/ |
| 08:28.49 | daft_ | unless you made a module |
| 08:29.01 | streuner__ | beeblebrox87: didn't follow the convo, but if you use KDE check out BTS then |
| 08:29.02 | beeblebrox87 | it's a bit hard to figure it out when the machine goes catatonic after 5 minutes |
| 08:29.15 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: you dont _have_ to use the nvidia debs, you can. It is cleaner. To just get a working system: modprobe nvidia and fixing your X config via /msg dpkg x md5 and "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should get you a working system too |
| 08:29.25 | owh | FsckIt: Hmm, I can only add to the Personal Address Book and the Collected Addresses, not ITmaze. |
| 08:29.28 | Alogon | cthulfuego : it was kismet right? |
| 08:29.40 | streuner__ | beeblebrox87: i don't see any essential packages though... |
| 08:30.01 | FsckIt | owh: well, that sucks |
| 08:30.36 | daft_ | valdyn_, I dont know how you do it when I compile a new kernel I expect (for some time now that nvidia is also compiled) never had any worrys |
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| 08:30.55 | FsckIt | owh: let's go the ldapadd route then.. |
| 08:31.03 | owh | FsckIt: FYI, in the Advanced tab of the ITmaze ldap properties the search filter is (objectclass=*) and the scope is Subtree |
| 08:31.11 | valdyn_ | daft_: you're talking about nvidias drivers? or the debs? |
| 08:31.22 | FsckIt | owh: that should be fine |
| 08:31.33 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: so after i download and install these things you told me to what do i do? |
| 08:31.41 | owh | FsckIt: We could try Evolution :-) |
| 08:31.44 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so can you add a new organizationalUnit to ldap, named People? |
| 08:31.47 | daft_ | valdyn_, the debs (hint scroll up if you dont understand a conversation) |
| 08:31.55 | zinx | MobyTurbo: apparently there's a bug in 6629 that will be fixed in the next version, so TNT2s should work again |
| 08:32.05 | owh | FsckIt: Bring on the command-line I say ... |
| 08:32.08 | valdyn_ | daft_: guess why i told M0rph3us1337 to use the debs |
| 08:32.12 | FsckIt | owh: heh |
| 08:32.22 | MobyTurbo | zinx: great! Thanks for the information, you've saved me $50. :-) |
| 08:32.29 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, go to /usr/src untar the nvida-kernel-source there |
| 08:32.37 | M0rph3us1337 | pl |
| 08:32.40 | M0rph3us1337 | ok* |
| 08:32.49 | beeblebrox87 | just tried again, it freaked out before yaboot had even finished loading the kernel |
| 08:32.52 | npx | MobyTurbo spend the $50 man |
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| 08:33.12 | owh | FsckIt: The ldif you were trying to send me, do you want to send it to me in a PM? |
| 08:33.16 | npx | you won't believe the difference between a tnt2 and a modern geforce |
| 08:33.27 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, it will make a /usr/src/modules/ that will be accessed every time you type make-kpkg modules-image |
| 08:33.34 | FsckIt | oh, by the way, does anyone know of a place online that offers access to Oracle databases for free or cheaply, for someone who wants to learn about Oracle? |
| 08:33.36 | daft_ | making a deb for you kernel |
| 08:33.38 | MobyTurbo | npx: there are always other things to spend the $50 on besides a video card that mostly gets used for opengl screensavers. ;-) |
| 08:33.47 | M0rph3us1337 | ok |
| 08:34.18 | owh | FsckIt: I used the local University when I wrote them some middleware, but I'm not sure that helps you. |
| 08:34.22 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, make-kpkg modules-image sould be enterd in the root of the kernel source you have |
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| 08:34.25 | npx | MobyTurbo Are you trying to imply that there could possibly be a better investment than a gf4?! Heresy!! |
| 08:35.02 | FsckIt | owh: no, I need something generally accessible :-) |
| 08:35.04 | MobyTurbo | heh |
| 08:35.10 | daft_ | npx, a display? |
| 08:35.13 | beeblebrox87 | no ideas? |
| 08:35.13 | owh | npx: You're only up to v4 of GirlFriend, man, that is out of date... |
| 08:35.24 | FsckIt | owh: in any case.. could you check your email.. I sent the file that way |
| 08:35.27 | daft_ | Look guys I have a gf4btw can i lead a display |
| 08:35.28 | Alogon | anyone have skippy-xd working by chance? |
| 08:35.30 | npx | my girlfriend is vaporware =( |
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| 08:35.31 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: how do i do that, am i given a choice or do i have to enter it into the command? |
| 08:35.32 | owh | FsckIt: I'll keep my eyes peeled. |
| 08:35.50 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, total autopilot |
| 08:35.54 | npx | hahah this chick earlier tonight kept telling me I'm ugly |
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| 08:36.14 | npx | She made it appoint to append something to the effect of "You're ugly" to every sentence she uttered |
| 08:36.23 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: alright thans |
| 08:36.26 | FsckIt | owh: oh, and you should find this useful, in any case, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/specs/ldap.html |
| 08:36.27 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: alright thanks |
| 08:36.33 | npx | err, a point |
| 08:36.38 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, is it compiling? |
| 08:37.02 | owh | FsckIt: I've got the file. |
| 08:37.15 | FsckIt | owh: ok |
| 08:37.17 | npx | she was a fat chick, too! I was amazed |
| 08:37.18 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i am going to untar it in a minute |
| 08:37.27 | FsckIt | owh: so, ldapadd it up |
| 08:37.32 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i have to wait for it to download |
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| 08:37.45 | helpmeplz | HI HI HI |
| 08:37.48 | helpmeplz | i need help :O |
| 08:37.55 | FsckIt | npx: did you make it a point to append something to the effect of "You're fat" to every sentence you uttered? |
| 08:38.08 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, btw do you have a self compiled kernel or a normal kernel image? |
| 08:38.18 | helpmeplz | its like this |
| 08:38.25 | helpmeplz | i recompiled a kernel |
| 08:38.31 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: it's self compiled |
| 08:38.31 | owh | FsckIt: We have a person. |
| 08:38.40 | bucky | she's fat.. your ugly.. she can diet |
| 08:38.48 | daft_ | K np then |
| 08:38.51 | helpmeplz | and used the vga=307 thing in grub to enable 1280x1024 resolution |
| 08:39.01 | helpmeplz | and it worked really well |
| 08:39.03 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. now, go to thunderbird, and see if I show up there |
| 08:39.14 | npx | FsckIt Nah I'm actually not a vindictive asshole |
| 08:39.15 | helpmeplz | but now it only works if i use vga=ask |
| 08:39.21 | helpmeplz | and then type in 307 |
| 08:39.23 | helpmeplz | any ideas? |
| 08:39.43 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: what was the command to compile it once i untar it? |
| 08:40.00 | helpmeplz | if i use vga=307 it fails, but if i use vga=ask and input 307 at the prompt it works fine |
| 08:40.01 | owh | FsckIt: Nope. |
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| 08:40.25 | FsckIt | owh: well, that sucks, a lot |
| 08:40.39 | owh | FsckIt: You exist in Internal, but thunderbird looks inside itmaze, should I see it regardless? |
| 08:40.59 | FsckIt | owh: yeah.. that's what subtree is all about |
| 08:41.01 | mhall | anybody know of an extension to firefox that can prevent websites from using JS to disable the right-click context menu? |
| 08:41.16 | FsckIt | owh: oh.. remove the binddn part.. make it be blank |
| 08:41.19 | bucky | helpmeplz, try vga=normal && run lilo.. see what that does |
| 08:41.21 | dondelelcaro | mhall: recent versions of firefox have that option already |
| 08:41.22 | WiFiTux | someone recommends a cool webmail app? I mean, that I can go to www.site.com/mail and be able to watch my webbased e-mail... :) |
| 08:41.29 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, tar -xzvf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 08:41.45 | nextime | WiFiTux : ilohamail |
| 08:41.46 | bucky | helpmeplz, oh it's grub nm.. just vga=normal |
| 08:41.47 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i already got it untarred now i need to compile it |
| 08:41.47 | mhall | dondelelcaro maybe my build is old or i am looking in the wrong place, please advise? |
| 08:41.51 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, ow make-kpkg modules-image |
| 08:41.56 | mhall | apt, nickometer M0rph3us1337 |
| 08:41.56 | apt | 'M0rph3us1337' is 99.890% lame, mhall |
| 08:42.00 | daft_ | in the kernel source |
| 08:42.00 | owh | FsckIt: Bind DN gone, no people... |
| 08:42.19 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it's under web features->javascript->allow scripts to: disable or replace context menu |
| 08:42.19 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: it doesn't work...... |
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| 08:42.26 | helpmeplz | bucky: if i just remove the vga= parameter entirely it boots up fine into the 640x480 mode |
| 08:42.34 | helpmeplz | but its really big and i dont like it |
| 08:42.42 | daft_ | are you in the kernel source where you compiled your kernel from? |
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| 08:43.13 | helpmeplz | it just doesnt make sense to me |
| 08:43.15 | FsckIt | owh: did you do an ldapsearch, to make sure everything is in ldap ok? |
| 08:43.23 | owh | FsckIt: I did. |
| 08:43.26 | helpmeplz | why does it work when i use the vga=ask |
| 08:43.28 | FsckIt | owh: ok |
| 08:43.32 | helpmeplz | but not when i specify it |
| 08:43.38 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: hmmm i dunno since my friend compiled the kernel |
| 08:43.48 | valdyn_ | !tell helpmeplz about ask |
| 08:43.49 | mhall | dondelelcaro ok i am missing it in this stable build, i will look for a cvs build real quick, since this isn't debian i can't get a deb :-/ |
| 08:43.50 | owh | FsckIt: I wonder. I'm just installing the ldap server into Evolution, it complains about not being authenticated. I chose anonymously. |
| 08:43.55 | daft_ | do you know where the kernel source is? |
| 08:43.55 | valdyn_ | !tell helpmeplz about enter |
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| 08:43.58 | mhall | dondelelcaro goddamn corporate pcs |
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| 08:44.10 | WiFiTux | nextime, ilohamail? |
| 08:44.10 | FsckIt | owh: that's correct, I think |
| 08:44.17 | jatos | HEllo |
| 08:44.25 | owh | FsckIt: It won't show me the base. |
| 08:44.27 | beeblebrox87 | so is there any hope for my ibook? |
| 08:44.31 | daft_ | /usr/src/kernel-source-2.#.#/ or /root/kernel-source-2.#.#/ |
| 08:44.32 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: well no sir i do not this is my first linux install and i got left to do this on my own :-/ |
| 08:44.32 | dondelelcaro | mhall: heh |
| 08:44.54 | dondelelcaro | mhall: you might actually have the feature and are just missing the preferences menu option... |
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| 08:45.27 | mhall | dondelelcaro i reclaimed an ancient ss5 at work, and a buddy with broadband is getting me isos of sarge for it |
| 08:45.29 | ChrysalisM | Whats a good way to backup windows clients onto a linux server? |
| 08:45.36 | nextime | WiFiTux : yup, www.ilohamail.org, it simple to install, fast to use, user friendly for costumers, and imap/pop3 based |
| 08:45.38 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, type whereis "kernel-source" / |
| 08:45.39 | mhall | dondelelcaro i no longer have it since i moved |
| 08:45.57 | mhall | dondelelcaro and the work connection is so screwy i cannot download isos with it |
| 08:46.03 | arturaz | why why why why sarge doesn't have mysql 4.1? |
| 08:46.05 | mhall | dondelelcaro they have this |
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| 08:46.15 | WiFiTux | nextime, cool, thanks! |
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| 08:46.21 | FsckIt | owh: hold on a minute, ok? |
| 08:46.22 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: it said kernel-source: |
| 08:46.24 | mhall | dondelelcaro spy-on-everybody proxy that must scan all files for viruses |
| 08:46.33 | daft_ | oO nice he has deleted it |
| 08:46.34 | dondelelcaro | mhall: user_pref("dom.event.contextmenu.enabled", false); or something |
| 08:46.45 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: no good then correct? |
| 08:46.54 | mhall | dondelelcaro so it screws up ftp (blocked) and large files on http |
| 08:47.11 | dondelelcaro | mhall: oh, bleh. I hate those things... that's why tunneling ssh through http is so much nicer... |
| 08:47.13 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, no problem type uname -r |
| 08:47.25 | dondelelcaro | mhall: alternatively, if there's any port that goes straight throw, you can get out |
| 08:47.30 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: 2.6.10 |
| 08:47.35 | valdyn_ | arturaz: sarge _does_ have mysql 4.1 |
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| 08:47.47 | arturaz | valdyn_, huh? ;) |
| 08:47.50 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, your on sid? |
| 08:47.54 | arturaz | x11@fs:~/public_html/bookkeeping$ mysql --version |
| 08:47.54 | arturaz | mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.23, for pc-linux-gnu (i386) |
| 08:48.01 | dondelelcaro | !info mysql sarge |
| 08:48.07 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i dunno i guess so |
| 08:48.08 | valdyn_ | !tell arturaz about search |
| 08:48.19 | valdyn_ | arturaz: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 08:48.25 | arturaz | great :)) |
| 08:48.26 | Phated | Huh, my grandad just got a PC... And my mom won't let me put Debian on it. |
| 08:48.48 | npx | Phated don't give in to the iron claw |
| 08:48.49 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 untar it in /usr/src/ (same commands as the nvida source) |
| 08:48.55 | M0rph3us1337 | ok |
| 08:48.57 | dondelelcaro | !info mysql-server-4.1 |
| 08:48.59 | dondelelcaro | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
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| 08:49.03 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.8a-6 (sid), Packaged size: 14140 kB, Installed size: 30216 kB |
| 08:49.05 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.8a-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 14141 kB, Installed size: 30220 kB |
| 08:49.11 | Phated | npx: Nah, I'm not going to do anything to it. It sucks so much anyway. :) |
| 08:49.24 | arturaz | thanks guys |
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| 08:49.37 | FsckIt | owh: still there? |
| 08:49.42 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, cp /boot/config-2.6.10 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/.config |
| 08:49.44 | npx | Yeah I've noticed that, people always get their grandparents shitty computers with win98 and they're all like "WTF?!" when their grandparents tell them it sucks ass |
| 08:49.49 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 08:50.13 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: do that once i untar the kernel source correct? |
| 08:50.17 | daft_ | yes |
| 08:50.20 | M0rph3us1337 | ok |
| 08:50.21 | npx | These are the people who taught you how to shoot a rifle and made you those badass cookies, at least get them win2k |
| 08:50.23 | Phated | npx: *shrugs* It doesn't even have a net connection, so no viruses or whatever. |
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| 08:50.29 | FsckIt | owh: ok.. so, you don't see anything in thunderbird's address book when you choose the ldap directory? |
| 08:50.46 | owh | FsckIt: Correct |
| 08:50.48 | daft_ | npx I have a cluster at my parents place of those boxes |
| 08:51.07 | FsckIt | owh: what does ldapsearch -x "(mail=*)" return ? |
| 08:51.07 | Phated | Dude, you have a win98 cluster? |
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| 08:51.19 | npx | daft_ that's good thinking - build the cluster where you don't pay the electricity bill |
| 08:51.22 | daft_ | Phated, ofc i threw linux on it |
| 08:51.23 | mhall | dondelelcaro i used to think my edu was totalitarian |
| 08:51.27 | owh | FsckIt: You |
| 08:51.31 | Phated | daft_: Oh whew. :) |
| 08:51.32 | mhall | dondelelcaro until i found out the truth |
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| 08:51.40 | npx | mhall *drumroll* |
| 08:51.55 | daft_ | npx, well they just are running divernt X programs |
| 08:52.06 | mhall | npx fortune 100 is much much worse |
| 08:52.07 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i can't do the "tar" command because it's a bz2 file |
| 08:52.18 | npx | mhall how anticlimactic |
| 08:52.19 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, z insted of j |
| 08:52.22 | owh | M0rph3us1337: tar -jxf |
| 08:52.23 | FsckIt | owh: and let's go back to the ldap config screen again.. what all do you have in there? |
| 08:52.24 | mhall | npx i had to pass a drug test and background and credit check to get hired |
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| 08:52.27 | npx | I thought you were gonna say the faculty consisted entirely of martians or some shit |
| 08:52.38 | arturaz | huh |
| 08:52.39 | Phated | What's wrong with Martians, eh. |
| 08:52.41 | owh | FsckIt: The mozilla one? |
| 08:52.46 | M0rph3us1337 | owh: thank you |
| 08:52.46 | mhall | npx i don't like the privacy violation but there isn't much choice |
| 08:52.46 | arturaz | mysql-server-4.1 doesn't run with default cfg :) |
| 08:52.50 | FsckIt | owh: yeah |
| 08:52.56 | daft_ | npx, well they just are running divernt X programs + w manager |
| 08:52.56 | npx | mhall <3 union jobs, I'll never be drug-tested |
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| 08:53.07 | owh | FsckIt: Base DN: dc=itmaze,dc=com,dc=au |
| 08:53.15 | gameover | whats the command to setup x resolutions? |
| 08:53.21 | owh | FsckIt: Port: 389 |
| 08:53.21 | npx | daft_ ...are you a native english speaker? |
| 08:53.23 | simonrvn | ooh, basedns |
| 08:53.28 | daft_ | npx nope |
| 08:53.30 | npx | thank god |
| 08:53.38 | npx | it's different =) |
| 08:53.40 | npx | not divernt |
| 08:53.52 | daft_ | + im dislectic |
| 08:53.58 | Phated | dyslexic? |
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| 08:54.01 | npx | hahaha |
| 08:54.08 | FsckIt | dyslexic |
| 08:54.11 | daft_ | you got the point |
| 08:54.13 | npx | apoplectic dialectic, well it could be greased lightnin! |
| 08:54.15 | mhall | npx sweet, what kind of union jobs |
| 08:54.25 | gameover | anyone? command to add higher xservre resolutions? |
| 08:54.26 | Phated | daft_: No worries. :) We've all seen worse. :) |
| 08:54.35 | Phated | !drxx |
| 08:54.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:54.35 | mhall | lysdexic, i thought it was |
| 08:54.41 | simonrvn | gameover: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:54.51 | gameover | i really need to make a journal |
| 08:54.59 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 08:54.59 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 08:55.01 | npx | mhall Most of them, really. I work on a barge, but the IRS union has similar policies, so does the telecommunication workers' union |
| 08:55.13 | daft_ | but this dys(something) has a cluster :D |
| 08:55.15 | FsckIt | owh: what about hostname and binddn? |
| 08:55.22 | Phated | daft_: Yeha yeah shut up now. :) |
| 08:55.37 | owh | FsckIt: Hostname: localhost, Bind DN <empty> |
| 08:55.39 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i put in that command you told me to and it said "missing destination file" |
| 08:55.45 | owh | FsckIt: Name: ITmaze |
| 08:55.58 | arturaz | Jan 23 10:51:42 fs mysqld[27268]: 050123 10:51:42 [ERROR] bdb: unable to initialize mutex: Function not implemented |
| 08:56.00 | npx | mhall I'd sooner piss in a potential employer's face than in a cup |
| 08:56.02 | arturaz | any suggestions? |
| 08:56.03 | FsckIt | owh: just for grins, make the hostname be 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:56.04 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, cp /boot/config-2.6.10 /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/.config |
| 08:56.13 | owh | FsckIt: ROTFL |
| 08:56.13 | ChrysalisM | Whats a good way to backup windows clients onto a linux server? |
| 08:56.22 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i did but it said missing destination fil |
| 08:56.28 | mhall | npx yeah i guess i am not sure what to do sometimes |
| 08:56.36 | FsckIt | owh: also for grins, close out thunderbird and open it up again |
| 08:56.45 | npx | mhall are you a programmer? |
| 08:56.48 | daft_ | is the dir /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 there? |
| 08:56.53 | mhall | npx i don't use, but it does bother me, but i have to have money too |
| 08:57.03 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: yes should i be in it? |
| 08:57.06 | jatos | Chrysalism, samba? |
| 08:57.10 | owh | FsckIt: I can do you better than that. If I search for you, I find you, with localhost and no restarting :-) |
| 08:57.17 | mhall | npx yes i am a developer and networking specialist |
| 08:57.26 | owh | FsckIt: If I just click on the address book, I see nada. |
| 08:57.47 | npx | I've never been able to understand why they drug test IT workers, it seems so damn silly. I could see drug testing someone who does what I do (operate heavy machinery, tie off when we dock) - but some guy who writes code and admins a network? wtf?! |
| 08:57.47 | Phated | mhall: Sounds like fun. |
| 08:57.51 | FsckIt | owh: search for me in thunderbird, you mean? |
| 08:57.54 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, oO |
| 08:57.58 | owh | FsckIt: Yup |
| 08:58.02 | mhall | npx it is bizarre that these companies test their professional workers |
| 08:58.21 | npx | mhall we get drug tested only if we try to make a workman's comp claim |
| 08:58.21 | FsckIt | owh: oh, well then, it's working... sorta |
| 08:58.22 | Phated | npx: You always worry they'll get high and wiretap the CEO's office and play it over the PA. :) |
| 08:58.22 | daft_ | just copy config-2.6.10 to the source as .config |
| 08:58.49 | FsckIt | owh: open up a new message window, and in the To: field, type ke, and then wait a few seconds... |
| 08:58.51 | owh | FsckIt: Am I supposed to see it automatically by just clicking on the ldap server name? |
| 08:58.51 | mhall | npx what about accidents |
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| 08:59.05 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: there is no config-2.6.10 folder in /boot |
| 08:59.05 | npx | mhall only in situations where they might be held liable for damages |
| 08:59.10 | mhall | npx most people can be tested because of those |
| 08:59.26 | owh | FsckIt: No luck... |
| 08:59.34 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, wtf |
| 08:59.41 | npx | mhall we can refuse to be tested, and they can say 'we're not liable for damages, he is' |
| 08:59.44 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i dunno should i make one? |
| 08:59.48 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, your running 2.6.10 right |
| 08:59.57 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: yes |
| 09:00.02 | mhall | npx wow that is impressively free |
| 09:00.04 | FsckIt | owh: it doesn't drop down a box of To: addresses? |
| 09:00.12 | owh | FsckIt: Nope |
| 09:00.13 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, that contains the configuration of you kernel |
| 09:00.13 | mhall | npx too bad the usa is so anti-union now |
| 09:00.25 | npx | mhall Unions are _GREAT_ |
| 09:00.34 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: there is a config-2.4.18-bf2.4 folder |
| 09:00.38 | M0rph3us1337 | is that the one i need? |
| 09:00.48 | npx | Unions are the reason you don't get points against your license for speeding on a limited access highway |
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| 09:01.00 | FsckIt | owh: I just remembered about the address book.. it won't automatically show, because LDAP directories are designed for thousands and thousands of entries.. so it will only return what is searched for |
| 09:01.03 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, that isnt of your current kernel |
| 09:01.18 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: oh well what am i supposed to do then? |
| 09:01.19 | helpmeplz | Hi, If anyone has any advice for my problem please msg me! I have enabled framebuffer support in my kernel and I set the vga=307 parameter in grub (1280x1024 resolution at 8 bit). This worked great for awhile, but at one point it just stopped working at all, when i type in vga=ask and then 307 at the prompt it works great. Any Ideas? |
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| 09:01.38 | daft_ | guys if you compile the kernel configuration in your kernel where sould it be then? |
| 09:01.39 | FsckIt | owh: but, it should search ldap when you start to type a To: for a new email message, for autocompletion purposes |
| 09:01.40 | mhall | npx one of my uncles is a rare individual, a professional licensed engineer who has a union, but he is a dumb unthinking republican anti-union guy |
| 09:01.47 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, hang on |
| 09:01.50 | M0rph3us1337 | ok |
| 09:01.53 | mhall | npx he does not know how good he has it |
| 09:01.56 | npx | mhall, I'd suggest putting in your application at one of the baby Bells, all of their workers are members of the telecom union and get very well taken care of |
| 09:02.03 | owh | FsckIt: I was looking for an option to turn that on, but I've not yet found it. |
| 09:02.09 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, try search in /proc or /sys for config |
| 09:02.15 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: ok |
| 09:02.18 | mhall | npx i am working for a subsidiary of one |
| 09:02.27 | FsckIt | owh: well.. unfortunately, I'm going to have to let you go at that.. I've got to get some sleep |
| 09:02.38 | FsckIt | owh: good luck with the rest of it all |
| 09:02.41 | owh | FsckIt: I was wondering when that might happen. |
| 09:02.53 | owh | FsckIt: I thank you for your above and beyond assistance! |
| 09:02.59 | npx | mhall, *nods* my mom works for bellsouth, says she loves it |
| 09:03.03 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, /proc/config.gz |
| 09:03.12 | FsckIt | owh: no prob.. hope you get everything worked out ok |
| 09:03.14 | owh | FsckIt: Sleep well. |
| 09:03.23 | mhall | dondelelcaro 4 mins left on a scary cvs snapshot |
| 09:03.29 | mhall | dondelelcaro of firefox |
| 09:03.32 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i have no config.gz |
| 09:03.36 | daft_ | oO |
| 09:03.46 | daft_ | where is you config oO |
| 09:03.48 | mhall | dondelelcaro i will see if it has this option yet |
| 09:03.52 | M0rph3us1337 | i have no idea |
| 09:03.53 | npx | their union guys are hardcore - remember when they almost went on strike a few months ago? that was over a fairly small cut in insurance coverage (i think the dental policy) |
| 09:04.04 | dondelelcaro | mhall: heh |
| 09:04.44 | takatumi | M0rph3us1337: are you running a custom compiled kernel? |
| 09:04.45 | mhall | npx france has the craziest unions |
| 09:04.58 | M0rph3us1337 | takatumi: yes i am my friend compiled it for me today |
| 09:05.02 | npx | mhall my dad was telling that there's a beggar's union in china =D |
| 09:05.27 | daft_ | takatumi, he said he did btw I never saw a kernel with out a config some where ITS EVIL |
| 09:05.30 | takatumi | M0rph3us1337: you should have a .config in your kernel source tree. |
| 09:05.31 | mhall | npx when one strikes in .fr, all strike |
| 09:05.38 | feh_ | what do people use these days for an x instant message client |
| 09:05.45 | M0rph3us1337 | takatumi: and i might find that where? |
| 09:05.50 | mhall | npx oh and 35hr week |
| 09:06.09 | npx | mhall honestly I think that's great. companies need to be grabbed by the short hairs more often. |
| 09:06.12 | daft_ | takatumi, that is just unziped to there so that one is not the one of the kernel |
| 09:06.30 | mhall | npx workers are chickenshit most of the time, me included |
| 09:06.31 | arturaz | i found a bug :/ |
| 09:06.46 | takatumi | daft_: if he compiled one, then the one in the source tree is his working .config |
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| 09:06.55 | mhall | npx but not much i can do yet, until i set up for myself as a contractor |
| 09:06.59 | fusion | Hi, how might I remove an address on an interface in ifconfig? (its not configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:06.59 | helpmeplz | Hi, If anyone has any advice for my problem please msg me! I have enabled framebuffer support in my kernel and I set the vga=307 parameter in grub (1280x1024 resolution at 8 bit). This worked great for awhile, but at one point it just stopped working at all, when i type in vga=ask and then 307 at the prompt it works great. Any Ideas? |
| 09:07.00 | daft_ | takatumi, He could not find one |
| 09:07.01 | M0rph3us1337 | where is the source tree? |
| 09:07.05 | feh_ | so french workers who do already mindless jobs can bring the country to a hault and demand more to create even more inflation/problems in the health care system/more benefits the french government cant pay? |
| 09:07.15 | npx | mhall, I'd be chickenshit for $200k/yr, but for $150/day I take zero shit |
| 09:07.21 | fusion | I tried this command: ifconfig eth1 inet6 2001:618:400:b050:: prefixlen 64 delete - but it returns Don't know how to set addresses for family 10. any ideas? |
| 09:07.23 | WiFiTux | What's a nice pop3 server? |
| 09:07.27 | takatumi | M0rph3us1337: /usr/src/ or /usr/local/src/ depending on where the source was unpacked. |
| 09:07.27 | mhall | npx lol |
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| 09:07.33 | mhall | npx haha |
| 09:07.55 | mhall | dondelelcaro dl complete, crossing fingers and clicking |
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| 09:08.03 | M0rph3us1337 | nothing in either one |
| 09:08.10 | npx | feh_ as opposed to bending over and taking it like a bitch when your employer tells you 'I need you to work a 50hr week, subject yourself to random drug tests, etc etc' ? |
| 09:08.21 | npx | You can't have it both ways. |
| 09:08.22 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, .files are hidden do you know that? |
| 09:08.40 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: what? |
| 09:08.58 | npx | apparently so. |
| 09:09.02 | WiFiTux | !praise openwebmail |
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| 09:09.25 | npx | haha dpkg is a girl |
| 09:09.31 | npx | m/sg dpkg asl??? |
| 09:09.40 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, try ls -a in /usr/src you see a .config but you unpacked that one 10 min ago |
| 09:10.11 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: there isn't a .config in there |
| 09:10.22 | Phated | M0rph3us1337: ls -a |
| 09:10.34 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, pm me with all the files in /boot |
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| 09:11.00 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: i don't know how to copy and paste from a command line |
| 09:11.11 | Phated | If you haven't configured the source, you don't have a .config, no? |
| 09:11.34 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, are you in console |
| 09:11.50 | WiFiTux | M0rph3us1337, ls /boot ; uname -r ; ls /boot/config* |
| 09:11.57 | M0rph3us1337 | daft_: yes i am |
| 09:12.08 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: /exec ls -r /boot <- but dont do that to #debian |
| 09:12.23 | mhall | bye, all |
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| 09:12.48 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, join #flood and type that command of valdyn_ |
| 09:13.17 | Phated | daft_, M0rph3us1337: /exec -o, actually. |
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| 09:13.56 | helpmeplz | Hi, If anyone has any advice for my problem please msg me! I have enabled framebuffer support in my kernel and I set the vga=307 parameter in grub (1280x1024 resolution at 8 bit). This worked great for awhile, but at one point it just stopped working at all, when i type in vga=ask and then 307 at the prompt it works great. Any Ideas? |
| 09:14.33 | WiFiTux | helpmeplz, maybe you upgraded something and needs to be changed back? |
| 09:15.00 | helpmeplz | the only thing i did was mkfs a hard drive :( |
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| 09:16.25 | simonrvn | @doesn't work |
| 09:16.27 | ravenbird | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 09:16.31 | simonrvn | @msg me |
| 09:16.32 | ravenbird | Nobody is going to /msg you. |
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| 09:17.30 | M0rph3us1337 | ugh |
| 09:17.38 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, what system.nap.****** files are there in /boot |
| 09:17.45 | M0rph3us1337 | this is the most difficult thing i have ever done in my life |
| 09:17.54 | helpmeplz | are you guys talking to me? |
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| 09:17.59 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, dieing is the most easyest |
| 09:18.08 | M0rph3us1337 | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 09:18.17 | daft_ | thats it? |
| 09:18.19 | helpmeplz | ravenbird: are you talking to me? |
| 09:18.21 | ravenbird | i haven't a clue, helpmeplz |
| 09:18.21 | M0rph3us1337 | yep |
| 09:18.29 | helpmeplz | oh hes a bot |
| 09:18.35 | fusion | how do I check routes for ipv6?? |
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| 09:18.46 | Phated | All right, what's with the CTCP, daft_? :| |
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| 09:19.01 | daft_ | time to see where your comming from |
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| 09:19.17 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, how can you run 2.6.10 without a system man |
| 09:19.17 | Phated | daft_: :| "Phated: Where you from?" :) |
| 09:19.19 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: you need to turn on --verbose. describe what's going on |
| 09:19.23 | M0rph3us1337 | i don't know? |
| 09:19.30 | simonrvn | daft_: you know you could just ask |
| 09:19.42 | Coke | What the heck does LFS has to be to break on \0 ? I tried LFS=`echo -en "\0"`, LFS='' and LFS="\0", but it still cannot understand that it should field separate on NUL and not whitespace. |
| 09:19.45 | M0rph3us1337 | should i re-download a copy of 2.6.10 and then install from scratch from that cd would that work? |
| 09:19.48 | daft_ | why ask if there is a command for that |
| 09:19.55 | daft_ | is there a grub dir in /boot? |
| 09:20.05 | M0rph3us1337 | no |
| 09:20.08 | daft_ | K |
| 09:20.15 | Phated | daft_: Because... It's bloody annoying? :) And /whois is more accurate anyway. :) |
| 09:20.17 | daft_ | open /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:20.30 | M0rph3us1337 | so there is really no logical way i can be running anything right now correct? |
| 09:20.45 | M0rph3us1337 | open it with what? |
| 09:20.45 | Phated | You have what, a bf2.4 kernel? |
| 09:20.47 | Coke | crap, IFS is the name. |
| 09:20.48 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, unless you have 2 boot partitons |
| 09:20.58 | M0rph3us1337 | yes i have a bf2.4 kernel i think |
| 09:21.06 | daft_ | Phated, uname -r gave 2.6.10 |
| 09:21.10 | M0rph3us1337 | but i believe we downloaded 2.6.10 earlier |
| 09:21.12 | valdyn_ | !punish M0rph3us1337 |
| 09:21.21 | M0rph3us1337 | and yes i have 3 boot partitions actually |
| 09:21.27 | npx | heh tux eats balls |
| 09:21.32 | Phated | To download a kernel doesn't mean you're running it... |
| 09:21.35 | M0rph3us1337 | i have windows and 2 linux ones |
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| 09:21.46 | M0rph3us1337 | well when i type uname -r it says 2.6.10 |
| 09:22.00 | Phated | OK, so you're running 2.6.10. Awesome. |
| 09:22.06 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, open /etc/lilo.conf |
| 09:22.15 | M0rph3us1337 | how do i open lilo.conf? |
| 09:22.16 | M0rph3us1337 | with nano? |
| 09:22.19 | Phated | With an editor. |
| 09:22.20 | daft_ | shure |
| 09:22.21 | Coke | But still, I can't make a for-loop work with the find -print0 output. What should IFS be to make that work? |
| 09:22.23 | Phated | Is this like a new install or something? |
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| 09:22.31 | M0rph3us1337 | ok what do i do now? |
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| 09:22.39 | daft_ | no I hope that is your boot loader |
| 09:22.45 | M0rph3us1337 | Phated: yes it is |
| 09:22.47 | npx | for i in $(find / -name "*bleh*" -print); do echo $i; done |
| 09:22.51 | daft_ | do you see some thing with 2.6.10 |
| 09:23.04 | Phated | M0rph3us1337: Ah. I haven't been keeping up... What exactly is the issue? |
| 09:23.19 | daft_ | Phated, you never beleave it nvnida |
| 09:23.29 | helpmeplz | Hi, If anyone has any advice for my problem please msg me! I have enabled framebuffer support in my kernel and I set the vga=307 parameter in grub (1280x1024 resolution at 8 bit). This worked great for awhile, but at one point it just stopped working at all, when i type in vga=ask and then 307 at the prompt it works great. Any Ideas? |
| 09:23.29 | Phated | Wha---? |
| 09:23.37 | daft_ | compiling nvidia |
| 09:23.37 | Phated | Since when was nvidia this much of an issue? |
| 09:23.57 | M0rph3us1337 | Phated: well besides the fact that i have no kernel or kernel config i can't run X because of my video card |
| 09:24.11 | Phated | You know, I've heard of people getting veru good results with just using nvidia's installer. It's non-debian, but... it works. *shrug* |
| 09:24.12 | daft_ | since you need to need the source and config right? |
| 09:24.16 | M0rph3us1337 | daft i don't see anything with 2.6.10 in it |
| 09:24.19 | Phated | Hmmm. |
| 09:24.19 | valdyn_ | Phated: hes to fscking lazy to read the howto |
| 09:24.25 | simonrvn | no kernel eh? so what's under the hood over there? pop corn? ;) |
| 09:24.28 | Phated | valdyn_: Oh. |
| 09:24.29 | npx | Coke, did that help? |
| 09:24.44 | Phated | M0rph3us1337: Let's get this straight. You're trying to compile the ndivia drivers. |
| 09:24.51 | M0rph3us1337 | yes |
| 09:24.55 | Phated | What errors? |
| 09:25.06 | M0rph3us1337 | but i don't have a kernel config or anything i guess |
| 09:25.14 | simonrvn | with no kernel headers, having no clue, and not wantig to read docs. he gonna get far. |
| 09:25.19 | daft_ | Phated, He could not find the source and no .config |
| 09:25.20 | Phated | You can't not have a config is you have a kernel... :| |
| 09:25.23 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
| 09:25.32 | Phated | M0rph3us1337: How did you get your current running kernel? |
| 09:25.33 | Coke | npx: what? |
| 09:25.45 | npx | Coke for i in $(find / -name "*bleh*" -print); do echo $i; done |
| 09:25.59 | M0rph3us1337 | Phated: i didn't a friend of mine downloaded it today while he was setting all of this up |
| 09:26.14 | Phated | Ah, so it's probably a kernel-image. |
| 09:26.31 | Phated | M0rph3us1337: What've you downloaded so far? nvidia-kernel-source or something? |
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| 09:26.36 | Phated | daft_: Yeah yeah. :P |
| 09:26.42 | M0rph3us1337 | Phated: yes |
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| 09:27.09 | Coke | npx: no, because spaces will separate in the for loop |
| 09:27.14 | daft_ | Phated, he just needed to do make-kpkg modules-image and then (no kernel source) |
| 09:27.14 | Phated | M0rph3us1337: Good. Now "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname-r)" and FTLOG read the HOWTO, there's supposed to be one. |
| 09:27.16 | helpmeplz | i had a problem with the nvidia drivers on a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 09:27.28 | npx | Coke, ahh you need to escape $i then, like so: |
| 09:27.32 | npx | Coke for i in $(find / -name "*bleh*" -print); do echo "$i"; done |
| 09:27.36 | Phated | daft_: You don't need the source for this, I seem to recall... Just the headers. |
| 09:27.37 | helpmeplz | you have to compile and install the kernel, then download the source files and it will create a module |
| 09:27.39 | Phated | !nvidia howto |
| 09:27.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 09:27.42 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: 2.6.10 - that reminds me, nvidia driver does _not_ work with 2.6.10. It needs to be patched |
| 09:27.46 | Phated | Hah, so there -is- one. |
| 09:27.55 | jaggy | is there a way to take the present kernel config from 2.4.27 and configure a kernel source tree to include the 2.4.27 working modules? |
| 09:27.59 | helpmeplz | the new kernel and kernel source must be on the machine |
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| 09:28.04 | daft_ | \o/ back to the drawing board |
| 09:28.08 | Coke | npx: no, it's already too late by then |
| 09:28.17 | Phated | Right, rebooting into a new kernel... BRB. :) |
| 09:28.26 | Coke | npx: for the directory "Some Directory" the for-loop will iterate two times; one over "Some" and one over "Directory" |
| 09:28.29 | Coke | this is unacceptable. |
| 09:28.39 | M0rph3us1337 | phated: it doesn't work |
| 09:28.40 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: use a different kernel or read the thread at www.nvnews.net in the nvidia linux forum about 2.6.10 |
| 09:28.51 | simonrvn | Coke: um, this is why you have -print0 ... |
| 09:29.01 | daft_ | Phated, the readme.debian says that if you have compiled your own kernel you need the source |
| 09:29.02 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: how do i go about getting a different kernel? |
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| 09:29.06 | Coke | npx: with xargs you use -print0 on find and -0 on xargs to use NUL instead of whitespace, but these are too many files for xargs. |
| 09:29.20 | npx | Coke for i in "$(find / -name "*bleh*" -print)"; do echo $i; done - that should work too, let me check |
| 09:29.21 | bbrazil | Coke: how can there be too many files for xargs? |
| 09:29.25 | simonrvn | too many for xargs |
| 09:29.26 | jaggy | use find -exec ? |
| 09:29.27 | Coke | simonrvn: my first question was how to make a for loop separate on NUL instead of whitespace. |
| 09:29.28 | simonrvn | ? |
| 09:29.38 | simonrvn | jaggy: you'll run out even faster |
| 09:29.40 | Coke | bbrazil: because it converts all stdin to arguments |
| 09:29.45 | jaggy | run out? |
| 09:29.51 | daft_ | M0rph3us1337, he flied and im gona run of. pretend to my housem8s i have slept |
| 09:29.53 | Coke | bbrazil: it's not too many for xargs, too many for bash |
| 09:29.54 | jaggy | use xargs --max-args |
| 09:29.56 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: you'd best ask your "friend" who installed a "development" release of debian on your box |
| 09:30.07 | bbrazil | Coke: no. if it does that your xrags is broken |
| 09:30.08 | jaggy | there's no such thing as too many for xargs |
| 09:30.12 | M0rph3us1337 | :-/ |
| 09:30.14 | npx | Coke for i in "$(find / -name "*bleh*" -print)"; do echo $i; done - this definitely works |
| 09:30.16 | simonrvn | jaggy: also spawns a process per --exec |
| 09:30.17 | jaggy | nor a bash limitation |
| 09:30.18 | jaggy | it's a pipe |
| 09:30.24 | simonrvn | jaggy: ur, -exec |
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| 09:30.29 | jaggy | except maybe if it's more than 2 terabytes?? |
| 09:30.35 | Coke | npx: do you have file names in that result list that has spaces in them? |
| 09:30.38 | npx | Coke, yes |
| 09:30.42 | jaggy | pipe to xargs |
| 09:30.43 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: so what you are saying is i am pretty much screwed on this until i find out what the hell he did to it? |
| 09:30.45 | npx | I just tested it on a directory named "test dir" |
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| 09:30.58 | Coke | npx: yess, but searching on name does not find dirs? |
| 09:31.00 | simonrvn | jaggy: yeh :) |
| 09:31.02 | bbrazil | jaggy: pipe normally has a 4k buffer, can't see that being a problem if find and xargs are coded properly |
| 09:31.06 | npx | Coke, yes it does |
| 09:31.10 | jaggy | although I believe xargs' instruction acceptance is not so powerful |
| 09:31.14 | Coke | npx: then your bash is broken, that shouldn't work. |
| 09:31.18 | bbrazil | jaggy: I'll just do the 2TB in 4k chunks |
| 09:31.20 | jaggy | gotta have the params at the end, etc... |
| 09:31.22 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: no, nothing you cant fix by reading docs. Whats your cpu? |
| 09:31.24 | npx | Like I said: I just tested it on a directory called "test dir" |
| 09:31.35 | npx | who gives a shit? it *DOES* |
| 09:31.39 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: p4 3.2 with HT |
| 09:31.43 | jaggy | bbrazil, xargs must accept the size.. |
| 09:32.00 | jaggy | maybe it has a variable... :) |
| 09:32.12 | Coke | npx: hm. why does it not use spaces as IFS there? |
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| 09:32.37 | bbrazil | jaggy: it should fill up one command's argument list, execute it, fill up another commands arg list etc. |
| 09:32.54 | simonrvn | this is why you use xargs |
| 09:32.59 | npx | alex@entropy:~$ mkdir "test dir";for i in "$(find -name "*test*" -print)"; do echo $i;done |
| 09:32.59 | npx | ./test dir |
| 09:32.59 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp. Then try to boot with that one |
| 09:32.59 | jaggy | signed int i; while (i++ > 0); printf(".\n"); |
| 09:33.41 | jaggy | I'm not talking about xargs splitting the argument list.. I'm talking about piping a huge amount of data |
| 09:33.42 | Coke | npx: I was right, it doesn IFS at all on that line. |
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| 09:33.51 | jaggy | it's up to the individual program how it handles this |
| 09:33.55 | Coke | npx: which means it doesn't loop correctly over each individual finding. |
| 09:34.06 | jaggy | and perhaps system pipe-stream counters etc. |
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| 09:34.15 | raid5 | bittorrent rocks :) |
| 09:34.19 | npx | Coke, okay, good luck then |
| 09:34.20 | Coke | npx: do an echo "NEW LINE: $i" in your loop and you'll see. |
| 09:34.23 | jaggy | I'm assuming, nowadays, the later is clean |
| 09:34.40 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: what do i do once it is done downloading? |
| 09:34.43 | npx | Coke, looks like that works fine to me |
| 09:34.47 | Coke | npx: it only iterates once, but $i contains newlines which makes it appear as iterated output |
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| 09:35.04 | jaggy | is there a way to take the present kernel config from 2.4.27 and configure a kernel source tree to include the 2.4.27 working modules? |
| 09:35.11 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: reboot using that one ( should be default in grub, but you can also navigate with cursor keys ) |
| 09:35.13 | Coke | npx: it only iterates once instead of for every file found. |
| 09:35.19 | helpmeplz | Hi, If anyone has any advice for my problem please msg me! I have enabled framebuffer support in my kernel and I set the vga=307 parameter in grub (1280x1024 resolution at 8 bit). This worked great for awhile, but at one point it just stopped working at all, when i type in vga=ask and then 307 at the prompt it works great. Any Ideas? |
| 09:35.24 | jaggy | I want to move to 2.6.10 |
| 09:35.30 | simonrvn | @tell helpmeplz about repeat |
| 09:35.43 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: i told you to be more specific |
| 09:35.48 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: it says i need to have initrd on how do i check that? |
| 09:35.55 | bbrazil | jaggy: you can copy the .config (I did), but the changes in 2.6 are so big that most of it will be ignored |
| 09:35.59 | Coke | npx: I can see why it looks like it works, but if you exchange echo for a command you'll see that it receives $i with all output from the for evaluation, with newlines in it. |
| 09:36.01 | simonrvn | jaggy: no. don't use a 2.4 config for a 2.6 |
| 09:36.05 | valdyn_ | !initrd |
| 09:36.05 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 09:36.10 | toresbe | good morning! |
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| 09:36.13 | helpmeplz | sorry i must have been afk |
| 09:36.16 | jaggy | hmm... |
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| 09:36.18 | helpmeplz | more specific how? |
| 09:36.19 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: read what dpkg said or ask someone else, i dont know or use it |
| 09:36.28 | simonrvn | @smart questions |
| 09:36.29 | ravenbird | smart questions is, like, "Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html", or http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 09:36.35 | toresbe | M0rph3us1337: that is quite possibly the most horrible nick I have seen in my life |
| 09:36.38 | npx | Coke, you could put that output in a variable and iterate over it again |
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| 09:36.55 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: if your friend didnt fuck up to much then you might not have to worry about it |
| 09:36.58 | simonrvn | toresbe: there's been worse |
| 09:37.05 | Coke | npx: and if there are spaces in there? |
| 09:37.11 | Coke | npx: = same problem again |
| 09:37.17 | toresbe | simonrvn: *shudder* |
| 09:37.36 | jaggy | I'm having problems.. my 2.4.x kernel (coming with debian) works, but sound doesn't work--and a few mouse things. My 2.6.8-1 kernel worked for a while, then one day it stopped loading devices. I had to go back to 2.4.27.. then I noticed my 2.6.7-1 kernel worked perfectly, so I have been booting into that for the past couple days. |
| 09:37.50 | simonrvn | toresbe: week or so ago there was one that scored close to 100. something like 99.9985% or such |
| 09:37.52 | jaggy | Suddenly, today, when I bring my computer into this room and boot it up.. 2.6.7-1 stops working also. |
| 09:37.58 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: alright thanks for the help |
| 09:37.59 | bbrazil | Coke: use "$i" inside the loop (notice the quotes) |
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| 09:38.08 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: say i edit the menu.lst file in the /boot/grub/ directory, and i add the parameter vga=307 ( for 1280x1024) it wont boot it, after it loads the kernel the monitor just stays off until X loads. Now if i use the vga=ask parameter in the same spot, it comes up with a prompt for sizes, if i put in the 307 size (for 1280x1024) then it works beautifully |
| 09:38.15 | Coke | bbrazil: it's not the variable that is a problem, its the iteration |
| 09:38.16 | jaggy | ls /dev shows less than a screen of devices. |
| 09:38.19 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: "grep do_initrd" /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 09:38.24 | jaggy | I can't figure out what's causing my kernels to suddenly fail |
| 09:38.27 | bbrazil | Coke: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 09:38.30 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: what is the output of that command? |
| 09:38.31 | Coke | bbrazil: "$i" will have iteration on whitespaces just as "a b c d e f" |
| 09:38.38 | wahwah | i'm having a difficulty with my mouse in x. when starting x my mouse just stands still. i have to stop gpm, start gpm, switch to the console and when i'm back in x again it works. i don't know where to look. does anyone have a hint please? |
| 09:38.40 | coywolf | cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.xfce.org:/cvsroot/xfce co modulename <~~ what's pserver? is it method or username? |
| 09:38.44 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: um, you're using framebuffer with the vga. is that even supposed to work? |
| 09:38.47 | Coke | bbrazil: set group sticky bit for all directories in a path |
| 09:38.51 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: this worked just fine with the vga=307 line, until i formatted a hard drive |
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| 09:39.09 | bbrazil | Coke: find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod g+s |
| 09:39.16 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: what would a drive set up have to do with your video? |
| 09:39.17 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: skip the " |
| 09:39.17 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: the hard drive i formatted was an extra drive and shouldnt be relavent |
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| 09:39.20 | Coke | bbrazil: by adding --max-args to xargs it now works, but it still bugs the crap out of me that the BASH IFS is broken. |
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| 09:39.32 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: ok it's taking awhile to work |
| 09:39.34 | Coke | bbrazil: you'll need --max-args on that too to make it work. |
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| 09:39.38 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: thats exactly what im saying, im just explaining the only thing that changed since it stopped working |
| 09:39.43 | npx | Coke, that *is* pretty damn annoying |
| 09:39.52 | Coke | indeed. |
| 09:39.54 | npx | I ran into similar issues a few years ago trying to mass rename some mp3s |
| 09:40.03 | simonrvn | Coke: you're supposed to save the original IFS somewhere in a temp buffer and put them back afterwards |
| 09:40.21 | Coke | simonrvn: ok, so I choose not to, that still doesn't explain why the IFS I want to use doesn't work. |
| 09:40.26 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: try without the vga= |
| 09:40.31 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: im recompiling another kernel right now to see if that fixes my problem |
| 09:40.31 | Coke | simonrvn: how can you make an IFS on NUL? |
| 09:40.43 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: it works fine without the vga= |
| 09:40.43 | jaggy | ifs fractal? |
| 09:40.44 | mlewis00 | wahwah: man gpm |
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| 09:40.47 | simonrvn | good question :) |
| 09:40.53 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: it goes into 640x480 mode tho |
| 09:40.56 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: so leave it off |
| 09:41.02 | toresbe | simonrvn: well, I concider those "i am extremely leet" nicks like "silentkill4h" and stuff like that to be far worse than carets and bangs and whatever |
| 09:41.08 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: not the 1280x1024 where it worked before |
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| 09:41.27 | jaggy | gdb /boot/linux-2.6.10-1.img |
| 09:41.31 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: framebuffer right? just do append="video=_videodriverhere_fb" |
| 09:41.36 | jaggy | :D |
| 09:41.38 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: tell me the output of grep do_initrd /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 09:41.52 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: it's not working lemme try it again |
| 09:41.56 | Phated | toresbe: That's "51l3|\|+k1ll3h" to you. :) |
| 09:41.59 | Coke | npx bbrazil simonrvn: I know that to make IFS only separate on newline only you have to actualy do IFS=' and then on the next line end with the ending ' to make it work. |
| 09:42.04 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: there was one thing that changed it now i remember, i had edited the menu.lst file for a 1600x1200 resoltion, vga=31C or something, and everytime i use the vga=### it doesnt work |
| 09:42.11 | simonrvn | Coke: yeh |
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| 09:42.24 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: i have tried many different numbers |
| 09:42.30 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: so change it back |
| 09:42.37 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: i dont think you use hex in grub like this |
| 09:42.37 | wahwah | mlewis00: what should i search for? there's nothing in it with "still" or "stop". thanks for your help |
| 09:42.53 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: no such file or directory |
| 09:43.05 | simonrvn | toresbe: yes. but the above is a combo... =) |
| 09:43.18 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: i have changed it back, and it didnt make a difference |
| 09:43.21 | toresbe | simonrvn: Freenode wouldn't have it |
| 09:43.23 | mlewis00 | wahwah: gpm -k |
| 09:43.23 | valdyn_ | !find kernel-img.conf |
| 09:43.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kernel-img.conf' (1 shown): (/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/examples/sample.kernel-img.conf) in misc/kernel-package. |
| 09:43.32 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: it still goes black screen after grub loads the kernel |
| 09:43.47 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: until X loads, ie i have no console |
| 09:43.52 | toresbe | and that's how far it'll go |
| 09:43.55 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: thats hardly possible, unless you don't use debian |
| 09:43.55 | toresbe | oops |
| 09:43.59 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: not found |
| 09:44.01 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: unless i use the vga=ask or no vga= at all |
| 09:44.04 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: yes, fine. you've told me this 6 different ways... ease off eh |
| 09:44.18 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: "event not found" |
| 09:44.19 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: i just wanted to make sure you understood my problem |
| 09:44.32 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: you still haven't acknowledged what i've told you in-between |
| 09:44.42 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: i have alreayd tried all of that |
| 09:44.48 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: what did you type to get that error message? grep sure doesnt spit that out |
| 09:44.53 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: and told u that it works for the 640x480 res |
| 09:44.56 | simonrvn | simonrvn ) helpmeplz: framebuffer right? just do append="video=_videodriverhere_fb" |
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| 09:45.04 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: but not the 1280x1024 that it was working on before |
| 09:45.12 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 09:45.28 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: add that to my menu.lst? |
| 09:45.29 | wahwah | mlewis00: i want to use gpm within x. gpm -k kills it. does it get restarted in x? |
| 09:45.30 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: "!find kernel-img.conf" |
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| 09:45.47 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: whatever grub uses as a conf, yes |
| 09:45.52 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: that is talking to the bot on irc, not a shell command |
| 09:45.58 | M0rph3us1337 | oh ok |
| 09:45.59 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: find out your driver, do cat /proc/fb |
| 09:46.11 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: is the driver the same that is in XF86Config-4? |
| 09:46.15 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: ls -l /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 09:46.16 | simonrvn | no |
| 09:46.20 | npx | valdyn_ easy mistake to make =) |
| 09:46.21 | jaggy | so.. why would my kernels suddenly stop loading modules.. working system, and suddenly, one boot, tons of important modules (mouse, eth) stop loading... |
| 09:46.23 | simonrvn | TAB COMPLETE PLEASE |
| 09:46.23 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: what do i use for a geforce3? |
| 09:46.25 | jaggy | I feel like I have a virus |
| 09:46.30 | valdyn_ | npx: yea.. |
| 09:46.34 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: do the command already |
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| 09:46.44 | Phated | simonrvn: I think it's also partly dyslexia. :) |
| 09:46.57 | simonrvn | right |
| 09:46.57 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: i dont know what i should put in for the "yourdriverhere" part |
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| 09:47.06 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: it says "no such file or directory" |
| 09:47.12 | npx | helpmeplz what kind of video card do you have? |
| 09:47.18 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: DO "cat /proc/fb" IN A TERMINAL |
| 09:47.23 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: geforce 3 |
| 09:47.24 | mlewis00 | wahwah: Oh, I didn't understand...I don't know how to do that (never saw a use for it) :-) |
| 09:47.37 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: looks to me like you are not using debian then, though I'm not sure |
| 09:47.38 | wahwah | mlewis00: okay, thank you |
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| 09:47.46 | npx | helpmeplz rivafb |
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| 09:47.57 | mlewis00 | wahwah: :) |
| 09:47.59 | simonrvn | there. was that so hard? |
| 09:48.07 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: well thanks for your time i guess i'll just fix it in the morning since it's like 2am here anyway gnite |
| 09:48.09 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: maybe some knoppix / debian bastardisation |
| 09:48.10 | simonrvn | @spank helpmeplz |
| 09:48.28 | valdyn_ | M0rph3us1337: np, ask your friend to fix this mess |
| 09:48.28 | helpmeplz | simonrvn: it says "0 VESA VGA / 1 VGA16 VGA" |
| 09:48.35 | M0rph3us1337 | valdyn_: will do |
| 09:49.05 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: yes, means you haven't enabled the rivafb driver, and uses the default one, which looks like crap |
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| 09:49.35 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: the nvidia driver install program said that i must not enable riva support inorder for the driver to work |
| 09:49.41 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: BTW, it'll be append="video=rivafb" |
| 09:49.47 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:49.51 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: i will try that |
| 09:49.51 | npx | ... |
| 09:49.56 | simonrvn | fucking idiots.. |
| 09:50.00 | simonrvn | not you helpmeplz |
| 09:50.04 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: =/ |
| 09:50.12 | mlewis00 | wahwah: IIRC dpkg-reconfigure gpm has one screen that mentions the problem of the mouse locking up in X and points you in the right direction...I had my system set up this way once but don't use it that way now. |
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| 09:50.26 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: did they give a reason why they said that? |
| 09:50.31 | npx | nvidia is at fault somehow because 3rd party software interacts with their drivers in ways that they couldn't have foreseen? |
| 09:50.36 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: different driver architecture |
| 09:50.45 | simonrvn | uh, what? |
| 09:50.54 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: riva is not the same as geforce |
| 09:50.55 | simonrvn | @lart nvidia |
| 09:50.57 | mlewis00 | wahwah: Search /repeat in the man for gpm, too. |
| 09:51.14 | npx | For the record, rivafb will work fine with nvidia's drivers as long as you don't switch back to a tty after you've started X |
| 09:51.17 | helpmeplz | simonvrn: its like comparing rage to radeon |
| 09:51.24 | npx | Leaving X results in anal reamage |
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| 09:51.27 | helpmeplz | oh ok ill try it |
| 09:51.29 | valdyn_ | npx: thats not only nvidias driver |
| 09:51.34 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: can you tab complete properly please? |
| 09:51.43 | helpmeplz | after this kernel compile is finished :) |
| 09:51.57 | helpmeplz | simonvrn what does that mean |
| 09:51.57 | npx | did you even build rivafb? |
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| 09:52.12 | simonrvn | am i the only one getting frustrated here? |
| 09:52.19 | npx | hahahaha |
| 09:52.27 | helpmeplz | can i stop typing your name |
| 09:52.36 | npx | can you? |
| 09:52.52 | helpmeplz | whats tab completing im on a windows box right now |
| 09:52.53 | simonrvn | yes, please do, since you keep TYPING IT WRONG EVERY TIME |
| 09:52.58 | MobyTurbo | helpmeplz: sim(press tab key) |
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| 09:53.41 | helpmeplz | im lost |
| 09:54.11 | helpmeplz | the point is, that it worked fine before with the same drivers and the same kernel im using now, i dont understand why it stopped i didnt change anything |
| 09:54.15 | npx | how do you survive man?! |
| 09:54.36 | helpmeplz | it looked great, had no problems with x and NO anal reamage :) |
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| 09:54.42 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: didnt you mentioned that you changed vga=307 to vga=somethingelse? |
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| 09:55.03 | helpmeplz | i changed it to vga=31C |
| 09:55.05 | helpmeplz | for 1600x1200 |
| 09:55.08 | simonrvn | hahaha |
| 09:55.14 | helpmeplz | when that ddint work i changed it back to vga=307 |
| 09:55.15 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: you cant just fucking use hexcodes |
| 09:55.19 | helpmeplz | and it never came back after that |
| 09:55.26 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: afaik |
| 09:56.00 | MobyTurbo | helpmeplz: maybe you damaged your monitor |
| 09:56.07 | helpmeplz | 0x031C is for 1600x1200 |
| 09:56.09 | wahwah | mlewis00: thanks for your help, i will try that now -->restart x |
| 09:56.15 | helpmeplz | my monitor works fine its at 1600x1200 right now in X |
| 09:56.25 | npx | I thought you were using windows? |
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| 09:56.31 | mlewis00 | wahwah: :) |
| 09:56.33 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: 0x31C is _not_ the same as 31C |
| 09:56.33 | helpmeplz | im using a kvm between the two |
| 09:56.56 | simonrvn | remind me if i ever get a new video card, to get one THAT'S WELL SUPPORTED IN LINUX, INSTEAD OF THE ANAL REAMAGE CRAP FROM NVIDIA |
| 09:57.01 | helpmeplz | there was a table with all the values, the only values it accepted were the hex values |
| 09:57.13 | npx | simonrvn nvidia's support is the best there is |
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| 09:57.17 | helpmeplz | thats why i used them and they worke dfine until i tried the 1600x1200 |
| 09:57.30 | simonrvn | npx: for exactly one arch. not good enough |
| 09:57.40 | helpmeplz | i just dont understand why when i reverted back to the original settings it didnt fix this problem |
| 09:57.47 | npx | huh? |
| 09:58.12 | Atropine | Am i the only one unable to access http://www.gnome.org ? |
| 09:58.26 | simonrvn | the world doesn't revolve around x86 |
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| 09:58.36 | npx | IA32, IA64, and AMD64 |
| 09:58.41 | npx | that looks an awful lot like 3 |
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| 09:58.55 | simonrvn | yeh. one arch, two bit sub-arches |
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| 09:59.03 | npx | also, freebsd |
| 09:59.07 | simonrvn | ALL xX86 |
| 09:59.13 | simonrvn | s/x// |
| 09:59.14 | hdkiller | ("OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet". Details: Unknown CORBA exception id: 'IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0') Latest update (SID) |
| 09:59.30 | hdkiller | Any idea, how can i fix it, (using alsa w oss emu) |
| 09:59.31 | helpmeplz | npx: ok, when i had it at vga=307, the 1280x1024 console resolution worked fine, when i changed it to vga=31C for 1600x1200 it failed, i have since changed it back to vga=307 and it still fails, unless i put in vga=ask and at the prompt type 307, which makes the 1280x1024 work |
| 09:59.37 | simonrvn | freebsd isn't an arch |
| 09:59.50 | npx | I didn't say it was |
| 10:00.07 | helpmeplz | npx: so the 1280x1024 works fine when i use vga=ask and type in 307 at the prompt |
| 10:00.15 | npx | out of curiosity, what other arch are you planning on using? |
| 10:00.35 | simonrvn | um, e.g. powerpc... |
| 10:00.40 | npx | helpmeplz I dunno man, is typing 307 once a week that big of a deal? |
| 10:01.02 | helpmeplz | not really, i just wanted to understand why it did this |
| 10:01.04 | npx | simonrvn Yeah, it's not as if you can get accelerated 3D graphics in unix on a mac - WAIT! |
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| 10:01.28 | topa_ | !xmame |
| 10:01.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xmame is the X Multi Arcade Machine Emulator, http://x.mame.net/, or ask me about xmess |
| 10:01.30 | jaggy | why can't it open /dev/fb0 when it's there and rw? |
| 10:01.39 | simonrvn | i see nothing but problems with nvidia in this channel. WTF WOULD I WANT A CARD WITH THIS KIND OF REP? |
| 10:01.40 | topa_ | !mame |
| 10:01.40 | dpkg | i guess mame is ask me about xmame |
| 10:02.26 | helpmeplz | most of the problems with their cards are simple easy to fix problems |
| 10:02.28 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: try "0x31C" |
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| 10:02.36 | helpmeplz | if you read the readme most people can do it |
| 10:02.38 | npx | A better question would be: given the fact that no other cards can perform anywhere near as well in linux as Nvidia's, why would you want anything else? |
| 10:02.46 | helpmeplz | that doesnt work, it says invalid number |
| 10:03.07 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: grub sais that? try that in your boot manager |
| 10:03.24 | helpmeplz | its the vga=ask thing that says it |
| 10:03.27 | caskey | simonrvn: I run a bunch of nvidia cards on debian stable with little trouble. |
| 10:03.48 | caskey | Then again, they aren't used for much more than UT when gaming comes into play |
| 10:03.51 | simonrvn | npx: why would i, considering that i'm not going to be playing quake3 or whatever is the latest 3d game... |
| 10:04.04 | Phated | simonrvn: It's not so much an issue with getting them to work, but getting them to do DRI or GL or whatever. |
| 10:04.08 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: vga = ask asks for DECIMAL numbers, grub does not, its decimal by default, HEX only if you preceed the number by 0x |
| 10:04.09 | npx | simonrvn so get a matrox millenium |
| 10:04.20 | Phated | Hey, don't be knockin' Matroxes. |
| 10:04.24 | npx | I'm not |
| 10:04.28 | simonrvn | maybe it's time you got out of the "a computer is for gaming" paradigm... |
| 10:04.37 | npx | I'm saying that if all you want is 2D, matrox rocks |
| 10:05.10 | npx | Why? it's the paradigm that's driven the advances in graphics cards and CPUs |
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| 10:05.19 | helpmeplz | ok i recompiled the kernel again and it didnt seem to fix it |
| 10:05.21 | helpmeplz | =/ |
| 10:05.23 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 10:05.31 | helpmeplz | oh well |
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| 10:05.44 | simonrvn | npx: now you're just being silly |
| 10:05.49 | gameover | hmm still no sound after installing sarge |
| 10:05.52 | Phated | Matroxes do rock. For 2d. |
| 10:06.20 | gameover | stupid alsa "you have no sound card" it says |
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| 10:06.23 | scarynetworkguy | Yes they do. |
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| 10:06.26 | Phated | gameover: Obvious questions first. Modprobed sound modules? Added user to audio group and logged out and back in? Unmuted and turns up volumes on alsamixer? |
| 10:06.30 | paulswm | morning guys |
| 10:06.31 | npx | You think AMD and Intel make 3ghz processors so people can edit text files and browse the web? |
| 10:06.35 | Phated | Hey, paulswm. :) |
| 10:06.44 | Phated | npx: Dude... Duh. :) |
| 10:06.59 | paulswm | Phated: hey, sg lassie |
| 10:06.59 | gameover | alsamixer wont work, modprobe shows soundcore.o, havnt added user to audio group |
| 10:07.01 | Phated | No more 2-second waits when you hit Shift-zz... :) |
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| 10:07.10 | simonrvn | npx: no because they capitalise on the the FUD about the more GHz is better |
| 10:07.10 | scarynetworkguy | npx: No they make them so that their marketdroids can have something new to sell. Period end of story. |
| 10:07.12 | Phated | gameover: Well. :) |
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| 10:07.20 | Phated | paulswm: What's happening? |
| 10:07.28 | npx | There would be no real high-end home PC market if it weren't for PC gamers |
| 10:07.38 | npx | The geforce 6800GT wouldn't exist, AMD would probably be out of business |
| 10:07.40 | simonrvn | oh puhlease |
| 10:08.57 | Phated | And then needing 3GHz procs to handle them. |
| 10:08.59 | Phated | Sad, sad. |
| 10:08.59 | paulswm | Phated: quiet here, not oncall so working my own projects, 160GB drives on sale here this week, think I might get a couple |
| 10:09.14 | Phated | paulswm: You... bastard. :) |
| 10:09.25 | npx | I still trip when I realize I've got 120gb of storage in my box |
| 10:09.39 | gameover | phated: ok i was in the audio group allready |
| 10:09.43 | Phated | Yeah y'all can shut up about how much storage you have now. |
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| 10:10.09 | Phated | gameover: Well, if alsamixer won't work... Perhaps you should try modprobing your specific soundcard module? |
| 10:10.22 | Phated | paulswm: I have nothing against Austrailians, thank you. |
| 10:10.28 | topa_ | how do I add "non-free" software to my sources.list repository ? |
| 10:10.29 | paulswm | Phated: nor me |
| 10:10.32 | Phated | Hm, take out that first i. :) |
| 10:10.44 | Phated | topa_: Add the word "non-free" right after "main". |
| 10:10.46 | npx | simonrvn at the office at work we've got a few workstations with U320 10k rpm scsi drives, they're INSANE |
| 10:10.53 | topa_ | thnx Phated :-) |
| 10:10.53 | gameover | phated: not installed, i tried following the guide on the alsa site, had some errors compiling |
| 10:10.57 | simonrvn | topa_: stick it in after "main". add "contrib" to that |
| 10:10.57 | npx | simonrvn the funny thing is, no one ever really uses them |
| 10:11.08 | Phated | gameover: What kernel are you on? |
| 10:11.12 | paulswm | npx: 506GB in main box here, kind of freaks me out a bit sometimes |
| 10:11.19 | gameover | phated: 2.6 i think, the default sarge |
| 10:11.28 | simonrvn | npx: send them over, i'll use them ;). i even have a card that can drive them |
| 10:11.34 | Phated | Ehhh, doesn't that have like alsa already? |
| 10:11.56 | Phated | gameover: Oh wait, the -default- in sarge? Can you do a uname -r and paste the output? |
| 10:12.09 | npx | paulswm They're watched closely, or they'd probably have long been replaced by IDE drives =) |
| 10:12.18 | npx | err, simonrvn |
| 10:12.30 | simonrvn | npx: hehe |
| 10:12.45 | npx | My work ethic is pretty much "take what you can, leave nothing behind!" |
| 10:12.49 | gameover | phated: 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 10:12.56 | gameover | phated: so its not 2.6 |
| 10:13.02 | Phated | gameover: Yeah well. :) |
| 10:13.08 | paulswm | npx:to each according to his need, as Marx said |
| 10:13.16 | npx | hahaha amen |
| 10:13.23 | Phated | All right, someone else do this... I hate working on alsa in 2.4. :| |
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| 10:13.54 | scarynetworkguy | *shudder* |
| 10:14.08 | simonrvn | 2.4 alsa is almost the same. just need a bit of clue to a) build them b) install them c) configure the system to use them |
| 10:14.11 | gameover | phated: know where i can get a 2.6 kernel2.6.deb file? |
| 10:14.22 | scarynetworkguy | gameover: p.d.o |
| 10:14.26 | simonrvn | gameover: sarge right? same place |
| 10:14.30 | Phated | gameover: apt-get install? |
| 10:14.31 | paulswm | npx: thing is, I couldn't use scsi drives at home - what, to make OO load 5 secs faster? I'm runing max two-user boxes |
| 10:14.44 | simonrvn | servers here |
| 10:14.49 | Phated | simonrvn: As opposed to just modprobing the modules on 2.6. :) |
| 10:14.58 | npx | paulswm I game a lot, and use vmware, so I'd put them to good use |
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| 10:15.16 | caskey | scsi is overrated nowdays |
| 10:15.20 | paulswm | simonrvn: then you definitely need npx's work drives :) |
| 10:15.29 | caskey | once upon a time it was worth the cost, and for certain corporate applications it can be worthwhile |
| 10:15.29 | npx | sadly they're not really my work drives |
| 10:15.31 | simonrvn | paulswm, npx: facing 'net, and active all the time |
| 10:15.50 | npx | my job does't involve computers in the least, I was just in the office one day with nothing to do |
| 10:15.55 | caskey | but there's little real cost justification you can produce for them now |
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| 10:16.15 | helpmeplz | OMG NPX UR A GENIUS YOU WERE RIGHT THE 0x0 part was needed |
| 10:16.19 | helpmeplz | my bad im an idiot |
| 10:16.21 | paulswm | simonrvn: you running firewalls and a DMZ? |
| 10:16.26 | npx | helpmeplz I didn't say that =P but thanks |
| 10:16.35 | helpmeplz | whoever did was right |
| 10:16.37 | simonrvn | paulswm: yeh |
| 10:16.41 | helpmeplz | SIMON THX |
| 10:16.43 | helpmeplz | NPX THX |
| 10:16.48 | helpmeplz | U GUYS PWN |
| 10:16.53 | npx | you really don't need to tell us |
| 10:16.54 | npx | we know |
| 10:16.58 | paulswm | simonrvn: heh, it really is like being on the N/S Korean border |
| 10:17.00 | simonrvn | um, ok |
| 10:17.03 | helpmeplz | :o |
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| 10:17.18 | simonrvn | paulswm: i call the wildside |
| 10:17.25 | caskey | !pwn |
| 10:17.26 | simonrvn | call it* |
| 10:17.32 | helpmeplz | its working at 1600x1200 now |
| 10:17.42 | helpmeplz | which is even better :D |
| 10:17.42 | npx | helpmeplz 1600x1200 console? that's sick =) |
| 10:17.51 | paulswm | simonrvn: Lou Reed, excellent song |
| 10:17.58 | jaggy | is fb the same as the vfb (virtual frame buffer) kernel option? |
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| 10:18.10 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:18.20 | jaggy | to me? thanks |
| 10:18.37 | helpmeplz | ok i have one more question, say im in Xwindows, and i press ctrl alt F1 to switch to a console, how do i get back into Xwindows? |
| 10:18.38 | gameover | phated: know the package name for the latest stable? |
| 10:18.47 | bbrazil | helpmeplz: crtl-F7 |
| 10:18.51 | simonrvn | i just wish directfb worked on ppc. mmm, x on fb :) |
| 10:18.53 | npx | helpmeplz X runs on tty7 by default, so F7 |
| 10:18.56 | Thanatermesis | how to change the keys in QEMU for exit a console (Control-Alt-F1) in the virtual-machine emulated? Control-Alt = exit qemu :S |
| 10:19.00 | scarynetworkguy | gameover: p.d.o does. |
| 10:19.21 | wahwah | mlewis00: thanks for your help. i'm trying without gpm at the moment and that should work for me right now. |
| 10:19.26 | npx | Thanatermesis it's just alt+F1 |
| 10:19.31 | simonrvn | Thanatermesis: re-config it so it doesn't exit on ctrl-alt? |
| 10:19.36 | helpmeplz | sweet ctrl alt f7 worked |
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| 10:19.58 | Phated | gameover: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.whatever. |
| 10:20.00 | npx | it doesn't really exit on crtl-alt, it just loses focus |
| 10:20.04 | mlewis00 | wahwah: No problem :) |
| 10:20.06 | simonrvn | ah |
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| 10:20.26 | wahwah | bye |
| 10:20.30 | Thanatermesis | Alt-F1? Im test this... |
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| 10:20.40 | npx | Thanatermesis installing vmware-tools will also fix that problem |
| 10:20.50 | helpmeplz | now can i have your opinion on something? i had a 250gb hard drive with some files on it, and a fsck was going, but my monitor wasnt functional, so i restarted the machine and it appears that the partition table is now corrupt, should i never reboot during a fsck ? |
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| 10:21.18 | npx | helpmeplz apparently not |
| 10:21.21 | helpmeplz | or is this a problem with the 2.6.8 kernels |
| 10:21.23 | simonrvn | helpmeplz: um, not a good idea... |
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| 10:21.32 | toresbe | helpmeplz: never ever ever ever reboot during an fsck |
| 10:21.34 | caskey | helpmeplz: it's not the fsck that was running specifically, it was sudden loss of power, probably during a random write. |
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| 10:21.46 | caskey | (random == arbitrary) |
| 10:21.46 | helpmeplz | damn =/ |
| 10:21.49 | npx | a better idea would be to use a journaling filesystem (ext3 is good) |
| 10:21.57 | helpmeplz | thats what i was using |
| 10:22.00 | Thanatermesis | npx, vmware? Im use QEMU |
| 10:22.06 | npx | oh, my bad |
| 10:22.07 | helpmeplz | but i kept getting IO errors the next time it ran fsck |
| 10:22.21 | helpmeplz | i couldnt even run a fdisk |
| 10:22.26 | helpmeplz | kept getting IO errors |
| 10:22.32 | simonrvn | fucked |
| 10:22.34 | helpmeplz | i had to boot into a windows cd and format the drive |
| 10:22.41 | helpmeplz | then go back into linux |
| 10:22.46 | helpmeplz | delete windows partitions |
| 10:22.51 | helpmeplz | and make linux partitions |
| 10:23.00 | caskey | If you're getting I/O errors on fdisk, then you have a *hardware* problem |
| 10:23.12 | valdyn_ | helpmeplz: a corrupted partition table would be fixed by simply recreating the partitions, but you didnt have a printout of the partition table i guess.. |
| 10:23.13 | helpmeplz | i did a badblocks |
| 10:23.19 | helpmeplz | and the drive is 100% ok |
| 10:23.33 | gameover | will 2.6.8-2-k7 be compatable with all my i386 software? |
| 10:23.41 | npx | badblocks on a 250gb drive, ewwww |
| 10:23.45 | gameover | im thinking yes |
| 10:23.48 | helpmeplz | yeah it took a long time |
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| 10:24.29 | Phated | gameover: Er, no... |
| 10:24.44 | Phated | Eh, he's gone. |
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| 10:26.06 | caskey | helpmeplz: If you are getting bad blocks from the badblocks program, then that means the disk's reserve blocks have already been used up. Not a good sign. |
| 10:26.16 | npx | neal stephenson needs to get back to hardcore sci-fi |
| 10:26.25 | npx | _now_ |
| 10:26.42 | npx | I know you' |
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| 10:26.45 | npx | re listening! |
| 10:26.47 | Phated | Define hardcore. |
| 10:26.51 | npx | Snow Crash. |
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| 10:27.03 | gameover | i think updating the kernel did it |
| 10:27.06 | Phated | Ah all right then. He can write more Snow Crash-type stuff. |
| 10:27.08 | helpmeplz | well the good news is that the drive is fine now i think |
| 10:27.13 | gameover | no error loading kde |
| 10:27.14 | helpmeplz | i was able to format and use it |
| 10:27.21 | Phated | gameover: Try to play something. |
| 10:27.34 | Shadur | Didn't he also write Cryptonomicon? |
| 10:27.35 | jazzmans | Ooh, snowcrash... ... |
| 10:27.38 | jazzmans | yeah. |
| 10:27.40 | Phated | Yeah he did. |
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| 10:27.44 | Shadur | I know he wrote The Diamond Age. |
| 10:27.48 | gameover | mixer is alsamixer? |
| 10:27.50 | jazzmans | yep, that's a good one also. |
| 10:27.58 | Phated | gameover: Yeah, use alsamixer. |
| 10:28.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hush up, Gibsonite. |
| 10:28.24 | prad | how do you know when to use dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 10:28.24 | jaggy | my soundcard lets me overclock the analog input ... |
| 10:28.24 | npx | scarynetworkguy yeah I was sorta thinking the same thing a few seconds after I said it |
| 10:28.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Heh. |
| 10:28.30 | jazzmans | hard sci-fi = asimov IMO. |
| 10:28.33 | npx | but it's a lot harder than the baroque cycle |
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| 10:28.49 | jaggy | I can raise it from 448,000 Hz to 1,792,000 Hz it says. |
| 10:28.52 | jazzmans | but asimov was really more induction/deduction then math. |
| 10:28.56 | Phated | Asimov hardcore? |
| 10:29.00 | jaggy | maybe I could use my system as an oscilloscope afterall |
| 10:29.01 | scarynetworkguy | npx: True. |
| 10:29.10 | Phated | I dunno, he's -cool-, but I wouldn't say hard. |
| 10:29.12 | npx | Which while incredibly cool and ambitious, it sorta left me wanting more (wtf is up with enoch root DAMN IT?!?!) |
| 10:29.14 | jazzmans | solaris, he's hard. imo. |
| 10:29.21 | jazzmans | cant' remember the damn name. |
| 10:29.24 | gameover | Phated: lol now i need to get ntfs module loaded to get to my mp3s |
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| 10:29.38 | npx | Anyone seen the solaris movie? that sucked so much ass it nearly reduced me to a blubbery pile of hate |
| 10:29.41 | jazzmans | It all depends on what you define 'hard' sci-fi as, I guess. |
| 10:29.50 | Phated | gameover: You're on your own; I don't do NTFS. :/ |
| 10:29.50 | jazzmans | I liked the remake npx, but I love the original. |
| 10:29.57 | jazzmans | stanislav lem. |
| 10:30.12 | xk | anyone know how to get cryptsetup working? |
| 10:30.19 | Phated | npx: I fail to see how one blubbers and hates simultaneously. |
| 10:30.37 | gameover | Phated: mabie you know that "graphical" utility to load / unload modules, i keep forgetting that command |
| 10:30.37 | npx | Phated You haven't seen the remake of Solaris |
| 10:30.42 | npx | gameover modconf |
| 10:30.43 | scarynetworkguy | npx: Next are supposed to be the books that come after Cryptonomicon. So that should answer all of those questions. |
| 10:30.48 | jazzmans | but neither movie touches on the original story, |
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| 10:31.02 | Phated | npx: Never seen either. |
| 10:31.07 | npx | scarynetworkguy yeah I'm really looking forward to them; the shaftoe/waterhouse kid is gonna have to do some really bad-ass cool shit |
| 10:31.11 | Phated | gameover: modconf? It's curses, but... |
| 10:31.13 | jazzmans | so they're both 'interpretations' and all interpretations add the preconcieved bias of the producers. |
| 10:31.20 | scarynetworkguy | npx: Yeppers. |
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| 10:31.43 | jazzmans | Scarynetboy: i am eagerly waiting the next books for/from the Cryptonomicon. |
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| 10:31.47 | npx | jazzmans of course, the question is: do those preconcieved biases make viewers of the movie want to give themselves a lobotomy? |
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| 10:32.12 | jazzmans | npx, but that is all personal opinion, and I can't tell you what you'll think of the films, only what I thought of them. ;) |
| 10:32.15 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite jazzmans |
| 10:32.17 | gameover | i barley started with debian last night, this is the best linux ive tried yet |
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| 10:32.21 | gameover | apt-get owns rpm |
| 10:32.30 | jazzmans | man, that was rough. |
| 10:32.31 | dondelelcaro | mm... stanislav lem |
| 10:32.32 | toresbe | gameover: no kidding ;) |
| 10:32.39 | npx | jazzmans yeah I'm just being an ass =) |
| 10:32.44 | scarynetworkguy | jazzmans: Ever heard of tab complete? Every heard of not changing someones nick? |
| 10:32.49 | Phated | gameover: No shit. :) |
| 10:32.55 | h|barbobot | noway |
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| 10:33.01 | h|barbobot | urpmi |
| 10:33.04 | paulswm | gameover: glad you are enjoying it |
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| 10:33.05 | jazzmans | scarynetguy, Huh? |
| 10:33.08 | h|barbobot | that ownz the world |
| 10:33.14 | jcoiron | hello all |
| 10:33.19 | npx | Yah I really think the next stephenson book is going to be the best so far |
| 10:33.27 | Phated | What -is- the next Stephenson book? |
| 10:33.28 | scarynetworkguy | jazzmans: Never ever ever but a boy on my nick. |
| 10:33.37 | toresbe | The Return of Snowcrash |
| 10:33.40 | dondelelcaro | neal stephenson and hardcore sci-fi? that's kind of an antonym... possibly cyberpunk... but that's about it |
| 10:33.41 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:33.42 | jazzmans | again scarynetworkguy, I have no clue what you're saying. |
| 10:33.53 | toresbe | Snowcrash STRIKES BACK |
| 10:33.55 | npx | Phated I think it's going to be the sequel to cryptonomicon |
| 10:34.09 | jazzmans | unless you registered the nick jazzmans, |
| 10:34.10 | toresbe | Snowcrash II - crash harder |
| 10:34.12 | Phated | "The Revenge Of The Stupid Names"? |
| 10:34.19 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 10:34.21 | npx | dondelelcaro like I said, I had second thoughts about that a few seconds after saying it |
| 10:34.23 | Phated | npx: Sounds like fun. |
| 10:34.29 | dondelelcaro | npx: the baroque cycle already was that, basically. |
| 10:34.31 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah but you'll never forget it. |
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| 10:34.38 | caskey | Snowcrash II - The Saga of H-Prot |
| 10:34.39 | npx | It was a prequel, dondelelcaro |
| 10:34.40 | Phated | It doesn't make it less stupid. |
| 10:34.40 | gameover | Phated: we have sound |
| 10:34.47 | Phated | gameover: Wonderful. Have fun. |
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| 10:34.59 | Phated | gameover: And FFS use vfat, it's better supported under Linux. :) |
| 10:35.01 | scarynetworkguy | That is true. |
| 10:35.05 | jazzmans | I like Stephenson even more then Gibson, and gibson is my absolute god of sci-fi after phillip k dick. |
| 10:35.08 | paik | hi |
| 10:35.13 | toresbe | Snowcrash II - now with even more letters! Free toy inside! |
| 10:35.21 | npx | toresbe I hate you =) |
| 10:35.27 | Phated | So you like Stephenson better than a god? That makes him like... An Uber-god. |
| 10:35.33 | Phated | Hmm. |
| 10:35.36 | dondelelcaro | eh, there are better authors out there... |
| 10:35.40 | Phated | Actually it makes him an uber-uber-god. |
| 10:35.50 | Phated | Pah. |
| 10:35.59 | xk | Anyone know what this means: |
| 10:36.00 | xk | # cryptsetup create crypto /dev/loop0 |
| 10:36.00 | xk | Enter passphrase: |
| 10:36.00 | xk | Command failed: Invalid argument |
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| 10:36.07 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 10:36.08 | jazzmans | in sci fi dondelelcaro? only bradbury has the stature, and he isn't really sci-fi imo. |
| 10:36.11 | xk | I love getting kicked. |
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| 10:36.20 | npx | xk, paste some more |
| 10:36.23 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: you conflate stature with quality |
| 10:36.26 | paik | humm |
| 10:36.27 | xk | npx: that's it. 3 lines. |
| 10:36.35 | xk | google leads me nowhere :( |
| 10:36.36 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Conflate? Nice word. |
| 10:36.43 | npx | xk, it's not the lines, it's the latency |
| 10:36.44 | xk | it worked before on an older 2.6.x kernel... but that was a couple of months back. |
| 10:36.50 | jazzmans | dondelelcaro; yeah, my opinion of stature=quality, not public view of stature. |
| 10:37.12 | xk | Command failed: Invalid argument |
| 10:37.12 | npx | xk, and I'd assume the problem was /dev/loop0 |
| 10:37.25 | xk | npx: yes. not using /dev/hdXY |
| 10:37.41 | jazzmans | xk, posting in #flood is better, then you won't get kicked. |
| 10:37.41 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: there are authors out there who are pretty tallented, but not widely accepted... sterling, for instance... or wilson, not to mention vonnegut |
| 10:37.59 | dondelelcaro | (well, sterling and vonnegut are, but...) |
| 10:38.00 | jazzmans | I love all three dondelelcaro :) (huge sci-fi buff) |
| 10:38.06 | jazzmans | sterling? yes. |
| 10:38.29 | npx | what's sterling's most famous book? it's on the tip of my tongue |
| 10:38.30 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: and those who use real science like Clarke |
| 10:38.32 | MobyTurbo | I'm glad to see Philip K. Dick get some of the recognition he deserved, too bad most of it was after his death. |
| 10:38.50 | jazzmans | clark is more philosophical, vs mathmatically/science based, imo. |
| 10:38.55 | xk | so what's my solution? going to good old 2.4.x? :) |
| 10:38.58 | npx | xk, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Loopback-Encrypted-Filesystem-HOWTO.html |
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| 10:39.25 | dondelelcaro | npx: he has a bunch... the hacker crackdown, holy fire, distraction, zenith angle, future now... |
| 10:39.46 | helpmeplz | cool i got it up to 1600x1200x16 |
| 10:39.49 | scarynetworkguy | npx: Don't know about famous but Globalhead is just plain great. |
| 10:39.49 | jazzmans | npx, dunno what's his most famous, I know what I've read. |
| 10:39.52 | helpmeplz | not that it matters |
| 10:39.59 | xk | npx: that information is relevent to 2.4.x - I've got a working setup for 2.4.x but i want to use 2.6.x and it's a pain in the ass to get past that error message. |
| 10:40.05 | paulswm | jazzmans: well, let's put it this way: one fantastic assumption, everything else must logically follow, see how humans behave in the environment. All SF is philosophical, really |
| 10:40.14 | npx | xk, ahh my bad. Let me look around a bit more. sec. |
| 10:40.22 | jazzmans | I love the difference engine (co-authored by gibson, of course) |
| 10:41.13 | jazzmans | but, I've always seen 'hard' sci-fi as being based in, and concerned with teh actuall math/science of the devices, vs the philosophical side. |
| 10:41.18 | jazzmans | er, the. |
| 10:41.51 | dondelelcaro | jazzmans: there is very little sci fi that is all that hard, unfortunatly... |
| 10:41.53 | jazzmans | yeah, starship troopers. :) have spacesuit will travel. and of course, stranger. |
| 10:42.03 | jazzmans | I agree dondelelcaro. |
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| 10:42.57 | dondelelcaro | heh, more along the lines of time enough for love, job: a comedy of errors, friday, number of the beast... dunno what else I've gone through recently |
| 10:43.11 | jazzmans | yah, job always gets to me. |
| 10:43.20 | dondelelcaro | helps to be backed by a university that has one of the largest sci fi collections on the planet |
| 10:43.22 | npx | xk, does this help? |
| 10:43.26 | npx | http://oneofone.limitlessfx.com/phpwiki/index.php/HowTo/CryptoLoopOn2.6Kernel |
| 10:43.44 | Phated | dondelelcaro: What uni is this? |
| 10:43.46 | jazzmans | I love how job falls in love with a norse maiden. |
| 10:43.47 | dondelelcaro | Phated: UCR |
| 10:43.49 | paulswm | no-one's mentioned Harry Harrison, I really loved the Stainless Steel Rat stories |
| 10:43.53 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Which is...? |
| 10:43.54 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: You suck. :) |
| 10:44.01 | dondelelcaro | Phated: UC Riverside |
| 10:44.07 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Right. |
| 10:44.11 | jazzmans | I haven't read enough harrison to have an opinion yet, always mean to, but never find his books. |
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| 10:44.16 | boris | hi all |
| 10:44.19 | scarynetworkguy | University of California. |
| 10:44.27 | boris | i always get kernel-image with debian sid |
| 10:44.28 | paulswm | jazzmans: Amazon, heh |
| 10:44.32 | boris | and i do the command |
| 10:44.39 | boris | apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.x-1-386 |
| 10:44.47 | boris | is it possible to get the kernel like this in sarge? |
| 10:44.50 | Phated | boris: Dude, put it on one line. |
| 10:44.53 | dondelelcaro | Phated: http://library.ucr.edu/?view=collections/spcol/eaton.html |
| 10:44.54 | xk | npx: that's for the old style crypto interface. |
| 10:44.57 | jazzmans | my next stop at library, I'll make sure to grab a couple harrison books, I've been meaning to for ages. |
| 10:44.59 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Woo. :) |
| 10:45.01 | npx | xk, shit =) |
| 10:45.02 | Zomb | boris: do not recommend -1, dude |
| 10:45.09 | Zomb | boris: sarge has 2.4.27-2 |
| 10:45.11 | xk | npx: need the dm-crypt one :) |
| 10:45.22 | boris | ah |
| 10:45.25 | gilles | when using a router, we have another address, which begins with 192.168.0.x, what's its name ? |
| 10:45.25 | boris | so i cannot apt-get it? |
| 10:45.33 | Zomb | boris: RTF apt-cache output |
| 10:45.49 | boris | ok |
| 10:45.49 | scarynetworkguy | gilles: A fucking ugly IP? |
| 10:46.00 | dondelelcaro | Phated: among other things, they've got fahrenheit 451 in a special asbestos cover |
| 10:46.01 | scarynetworkguy | gilles: Also RFC 1918 and private. |
| 10:46.10 | npx | xk, have you followed the instructions on the dm-crypt site (made the /dev/mapper/control node) |
| 10:46.19 | jaggy | okay.. time to go.. letting kernel compile |
| 10:46.21 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Awww, COOL. |
| 10:46.27 | jaggy | take care all.. wish my kernel luck |
| 10:46.27 | xk | npx: let me check :) |
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| 10:46.45 | jaggy | haven't had luck with a custom kernel on this laptop yet |
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| 10:46.53 | boris | it's been ages since 2.4.29 is out |
| 10:46.55 | npx | http://clemens.endorphin.org/Cryptoloop_Migration_Guide.html - that might also be useful, xk |
| 10:46.56 | jazzmans | dondelelcaro; I saw that release, I thought it was so cool! I missed a signing by him by 1 hour at usc in 97. |
| 10:46.56 | gilles | scarynetworkguy: 'cause, i have two computer behind such address, and i don't know how to choose it myself |
| 10:46.56 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: You suck even more. :) |
| 10:46.59 | boris | how can sarge still use 2.4.27? |
| 10:47.20 | xk | npx: 10 63... it matches. |
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| 10:47.29 | boris | sarge used to be on time with updates |
| 10:47.30 | iceman_ | postfix || qmail || sendmail || exim ? |
| 10:47.36 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse gilles |
| 10:47.37 | dpkg | Yes, those was my weasel today, gilles? shirts of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
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| 10:48.50 | xk | npx: http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_Encrypting_Root_Filesystem_with_DM-Crypt looks useful (at the very bottom). let me try the suggestion. |
| 10:48.59 | dondelelcaro | Phated: http://scotty.ucr.edu/search/cPS3503.R167+F3+1953 |
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| 10:49.45 | dondelelcaro | This edition ... limited to 200 copies. It is specially bound in ... an asbestos material with exceptional resistance to pyrolysis. Copy no. 148. Signed by the author. |
| 10:49.51 | xk | npx: hah. error message without passwd prompt now. |
| 10:50.00 | npx | xk, nice =) |
| 10:50.07 | redsolo | newbie question about drivers. I have a board with a i810 gfx chip which is connected with a chrontel 7007 chip for TVOut.. now I cant find any drivers for the chrontel 7007 chip or is that handled by the i810 drivers? |
| 10:50.09 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: that is really neat |
| 10:50.33 | npx | xk, you might try the C rewrite of cryptsetup mentioned on the page |
| 10:50.34 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: heh. yeah, they've got a few other things that are pretty cool to. Somewhere in that collection is a superman 1, iirc... amoungst other things |
| 10:50.44 | xk | npx: I thought that's what I'm using. |
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| 10:50.50 | valdyn_ | redsolo: that chrontel is only a D/A wandler? |
| 10:51.02 | npx | xk, I think what you're using now is a shell script |
| 10:51.03 | xk | ii cryptsetup 20050111-2 configures encrypted block devices |
| 10:51.09 | xk | ^^ what's that. |
| 10:51.14 | npx | I could be wrong! |
| 10:51.16 | xk | sbin/cryptsetup: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 10:51.22 | npx | and I am, sorry |
| 10:51.24 | redsolo | valdyn_: not sure, but I got the board working with the TV and CRT... |
| 10:51.42 | xk | I thought I had the old binary still installed... but it was using the /sbin one anyway. |
| 10:51.51 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Thank you. :) |
| 10:51.54 | npx | yeah /sbin is the first $PATH entry |
| 10:51.55 | hsp | Hello, I've got a real big problem. I changed my /etc/fstab and now my root-directory is mount read-only. I can start a console, but can I change the /etc/fstab from here? |
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| 10:52.06 | xk | npx: well, my path is modified :-) |
| 10:52.15 | EruditeHermit | hey is there a program to play mp3s backwards? |
| 10:52.23 | paulswm | xk look at the dpkg -l heading and it says what those flags are |
| 10:52.24 | xk | eudu: alsaplayer? |
| 10:52.29 | dondelelcaro | Phated: heh. now if I could only actually take the time to read some of the things there... one of the bad things about special collections is that you can't actually check the books out |
| 10:52.34 | valdyn_ | redsolo: yea it doesn't seem to required a "driver" really |
| 10:52.39 | npx | xk, this seems needlessly complex =P |
| 10:52.44 | xk | paulswm: it means it's installed. I'm not that stupid. I've been a debian user for 8 years. |
| 10:52.48 | mlewis00 | hsp: Remount it rw |
| 10:53.11 | hsp | But how can i remount it rw? |
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| 10:53.17 | npx | Ahhh great |
| 10:53.23 | xk | EruditeHermit: try alsaplayer... I vaguely remember it had speed control, and _maybe_ could go in reverse. |
| 10:53.24 | npx | http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO |
| 10:53.26 | redsolo | valdyn_: the web page states "PC to TV encoder" |
| 10:53.28 | paulswm | xk: you just pointed to them and asked what they were, I was just helping out, back off with the attitude please |
| 10:53.31 | npx | That's a HOWTO for Debian Unstable, xk |
| 10:53.34 | EruditeHermit | xk: I don't see the option to |
| 10:53.56 | redsolo | valdyn_: so it is really a problem with the i810 driver then? Because I cant get XV to work on the TV (but it works fine in the CRT) |
| 10:54.01 | xk | paulswm: attitude? I didn't ask what I printed out meant. I wanted to prove to npx that I have the debian package installed. |
| 10:54.17 | valdyn_ | redsolo: it "just works", though for some combination of hardware / driver the driver just fails to do something like switching the tvout on, thats it |
| 10:54.43 | valdyn_ | redsolo: youre using xinerama? |
| 10:54.53 | redsolo | valdyn_: mplayer |
| 10:55.15 | valdyn_ | redsolo: XV usually only works on one of both screens |
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| 10:55.29 | xk | EruditeHermit: see the second longest bar... on the right... one up from the bottom. |
| 10:55.32 | paulswm | xk: <xk> ^^ what's that. |
| 10:55.37 | EruditeHermit | xk: got it thanks =) |
| 10:55.39 | xk | EruditeHermit: that's the speed controller. |
| 10:55.41 | valdyn_ | redsolo: though i cant help you to "pick" your tv, thats how most hardware is |
| 10:55.42 | redsolo | valdy_: at the same time,?` |
| 10:55.50 | hsp | mlewis00 : how can i remount root-directory rw? I tried every mount option, I think... |
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| 10:55.53 | valdyn_ | redsolo: yea, at the same time |
| 10:55.53 | npx | paulswm he meant 'is that the script or a binary?' the answered the question himself |
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| 10:56.01 | xk | what was his problem |
| 10:56.07 | mlewis00 | hsp: man mount ... mount -O remount rw /dev/hdx |
| 10:56.10 | xk | this channel has gone down hill since I left. |
| 10:56.12 | npx | dunno dude |
| 10:56.12 | redsolo | valdyn_: i have switched to the TV only, no output on the CRT.. |
| 10:56.19 | valdyn_ | redsolo: its he same under windows, has nothing to do w/ linux / drivers, thats a hardware "feature" |
| 10:56.21 | npx | xk, for 8 years. |
| 10:56.21 | npx | <mlewis00> hsp: Remount it rw |
| 10:56.26 | npx | errr sorry |
| 10:56.29 | xk | hehehe |
| 10:56.33 | redsolo | valdyn_: ive done extensive googling and it seems that the XV problem showed up with XFREE 4.2.X... so I need a way to downgrade to that version to check it out... is that possible with the APT systemn? |
| 10:56.34 | npx | http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=HOWTO meant to paste that |
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| 10:56.51 | xk | hang, I lost track after dealing with paulswm and helping EruditeHermit |
| 10:56.57 | hsp | mlewis00: Thanks, the problem was I wasn't able to use 'man', because of it was read only... |
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| 10:57.13 | mlewis00 | hsp: Oh, never thought of that :) |
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| 10:57.22 | valdyn_ | redsolo: yea, look at snapshots.debian.org. Nonetheless as i said, the fact that XV is usually limited to one screen at a time is hardware feature |
| 10:57.32 | xk | npx: I might need hashalot. |
| 10:57.45 | npx | http://deb.riseup.net/storage/encrypted/ - that |
| 10:57.47 | npx | is also relevant |
| 10:57.57 | xk | do I need the device-mapper patch? |
| 10:58.10 | valdyn_ | redsolo: you dont really *need* xv though. As long as your system is fast enough |
| 10:58.20 | npx | xk, I think it comes with the debian kernel |
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| 10:58.43 | xk | I'm using custom compiled 2.6.10-ac1 |
| 10:58.43 | hsp | mlewis00: hm, he still prints: /dev/hda2 is already mount on / |
| 10:58.46 | redsolo | valdyn_: hmmm.. thats the prob, it isnt.. i bought a F@mily net box for 50 bucks, I wanted to convert it into a MPC.. |
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| 10:59.14 | npx | xk, then yeah I'd say so - http://deb.riseup.net/storage/encrypted/ says the stock debian 2.6.10 "seems to work fine" |
| 10:59.20 | redsolo | valdyn_: I can play the movies in windows fine (fullscreen) but the CPU is not good enough to software scale the image in linux... |
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| 10:59.37 | xk | hrm... it might be because i don't have aes... but I have blowfish/serpent. |
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| 11:00.01 | valdyn_ | redsolo: I'm not familiar with your h/w in particular, maybe -vo gl will help, maybe not |
| 11:00.05 | redsolo | valdyn_: or perhaps I have missunderstood soemthing... if I have X with 640x480, and I play a movies with 400x300 (ex) with XV. which resolution will it actually play it with? |
| 11:00.29 | xk | lol. it works |
| 11:00.43 | prad | is there a gui for samba configuration in sarge ? |
| 11:00.46 | xk | npx: complex PEBKAC ;) |
| 11:00.48 | valdyn_ | redsolo: you can get mplayer to switch resolutions but normall its scaled up to 640x480 |
| 11:00.52 | npx | xk, what, you just had to specify blowfish/serpent? |
| 11:00.53 | mlewis00 | hsp: I think I forgot the trailing '/'... |
| 11:00.57 | valdyn_ | s/normall/normally |
| 11:01.08 | npx | valdyn_ unterminated S command, destroying user. |
| 11:01.19 | xk | npx: default crypto is aes... but I didn't compile that module... but I did compile serpent/blowfish... so I selected serpent for the crypto... no more error. |
| 11:01.20 | valdyn_ | hah |
| 11:01.38 | npx | xk, ahh, well, congrats |
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| 11:01.46 | npx | may the feds be perpetually stupified |
| 11:01.48 | redsolo | valdyn_: i can play movies with "-vo x11" but as I said, it doesnt have the power to scale it up to full screen, (which means that the video image is too small) |
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| 11:01.50 | xk | :-) |
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| 11:02.18 | valdyn_ | redsolo: try -vo gl ) |
| 11:02.21 | hsp | mlewis00: now he says: according to mtab /dev/hda2 is mount on / |
| 11:02.32 | npx | -vo xv yields good performance here |
| 11:02.33 | redsolo | valdyn_: if I play it with "-vo xv" it scales it accordingly...(IN CRT), but it will just display a blue screen on the TV... note the CRT is off at that time. |
| 11:02.58 | npx | tv out cards have given me nothing but grief =( |
| 11:03.01 | valdyn_ | redsolo: yea, I understood that. Thats because XV will only work on one screen at a time |
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| 11:03.18 | valdyn_ | redsolo: and on which screen it works is determined when X starts, you can switch on the fly |
| 11:03.18 | mh_le | how do I check which sound system I'm using? |
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| 11:03.38 | valdyn_ | s/can/cannot/ |
| 11:03.43 | mlewis00 | hsp: I'm trying the command myself...I've used it before when my root file system was mounted read only but maybe I've got the format of the command wrong. |
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| 11:04.26 | hsp | mlewis00: thanks, I was near to destroy my PC.... :) |
| 11:04.52 | wk | Hi, is it possible to force apt/dkpg/whatever to remove a package that has some dependencies (ie apt-get remove foo would also remove 300 other packages and install 400 new besides that) so that only this package would be removed? |
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| 11:05.30 | cthulfuego | wk: it would been the 300 packages would all break and probably not run. |
| 11:05.36 | redsolo | valdyn_: how do I switch the screen in X? (i only found a tool on a webpage, but it seems a little "unofficial") |
| 11:05.39 | cthulfuego | Hence the depend. |
| 11:06.00 | npx | but if you *really* want to, dpkg --force-depends |
| 11:06.09 | wk | cthulfuego: thats okay |
| 11:06.19 | wk | I just would want to know if there's such a way. |
| 11:06.22 | wk | npx: thanks |
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| 11:06.36 | Vargtass | Lo all, im new to debian and im gonna install it today. I was just wondering if you could give me any clue as to the last stable, or the last version(sarge i think) is the 'best' security wise.. |
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| 11:08.01 | Ringo999 | what does this command do : "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86"? |
| 11:08.03 | MobyTurbo | Vargtass: stable is always the best security-wise... |
| 11:08.05 | mlewis00 | hsp: Hmm, I know that I've used the command before to remount a ro file system but I don't remember the exact command...maybe someone else knows. |
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| 11:08.31 | Vargtass | MobyTurbo: cheers, ill use that one then |
| 11:08.37 | mlewis00 | hsp: Or you could boot from a rescue disk / CD and edit the /etc/fstab... |
| 11:09.01 | MobyTurbo | Vargtass: stable is "woody", incidentally, not yet sarge. |
| 11:09.23 | bighead | anyone know of gtkscintilla packages for debian? |
| 11:09.25 | mlewis00 | hsp: Apparently the file system is busy (e.g. there are open files) and it won't allow you to remount it. |
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| 11:09.36 | Vargtass | MobyTurbo: if i may ask, what would you recommend me to install? |
| 11:09.40 | hsp | mlewis00: I am only able to use a pcmcia-cd-drive, and knoppix 3.3 isn't able to boot from that... |
| 11:09.54 | valdyn_ | redsolo: I dont know, im only finding a patch on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=89447 |
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| 11:10.03 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: that installs some hardware detection programs, does a possibly unneeded dpkg magic, and installs the xserver portion of the x windows system |
| 11:10.16 | MobyTurbo | Vargtass: that depends on what you're going to use it for. |
| 11:10.25 | valdyn_ | redsolo: and recommendations to use intels binary only driver |
| 11:10.32 | hsp | mlewis00: Yes. But how can I close them? :) |
| 11:10.56 | Vargtass | MobyTurbo: testing stuff mostly... learning how to use debian... using different servers etc |
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| 11:11.31 | hail04 | how can I reconfigure the source of apt-get? |
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| 11:11.41 | flanker | Hello! Can anybody give me some hints how to e2fsck my root partition? |
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| 11:12.01 | mlewis00 | hsp: You can do an lsof and kill the processes that are using them but I'm not sure that you could (safely) kill all of the processes that have open files. |
| 11:12.04 | takatumi | hail04: apt-setup or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:12.14 | npx | Hint 1: man e2fsck |
| 11:12.29 | takatumi | Vargtass: go for sarge, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:12.40 | flanker | Tried the ma :( |
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| 11:13.11 | hsp | Does anyone know the command to remount a ro root-filesystem to rw? |
| 11:13.13 | MobyTurbo | Vargtass: even if you choose to install woody, the sarge installer is better unless you need ppp during the instalation process. |
| 11:13.28 | flanker | I think i should boot to a kind of ramdisk, then check the unmounted root partition... But hoiw?? |
| 11:13.28 | redsolo | valdyn_: thanks for looking. hmm thats one patch I havent tried yet... |
| 11:13.40 | Piru | hsp, yes I would imagine. |
| 11:13.50 | Vargtass | sarge it is then. ;) cheers for all your good help |
| 11:13.54 | redsolo | valdyn_: i havent found any intel drivers at all.. |
| 11:14.11 | Vargtass | ill idle around here and absorb some info while downloading... |
| 11:14.12 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: im about to install debian and i was told to run this command...do i do this before or after installing gnome? |
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| 11:14.22 | valdyn_ | redsolo: no idea.. |
| 11:14.43 | xk | npx: I'm not sure how to deal with /etc/crypttab... you need to set the key file before setting the options. |
| 11:14.45 | valdyn_ | redsolo: have you tried if your box handles "mplayer -zoom -vo x11 foo.avi" ? |
| 11:14.49 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: that's a command you shouldn't need to run during install. Where did you get that from. |
| 11:14.58 | MobyTurbo | ? |
| 11:15.02 | takatumi | Vargtass: read this as well, http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:15.13 | redsolo | valdyn_: I will try it now |
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| 11:15.32 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: some debian geek from school told me... |
| 11:15.34 | Vargtass | takatumi: thanks |
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| 11:15.50 | redsolo | valdyn_: AHH, i found something on the intel site about drivers and linux... |
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| 11:16.11 | hsp | mlewis00: no there are processes which can't be killed.... |
| 11:16.18 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: that looks like some way to fix something broken, it certainly does not need to be run to install Debian. |
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| 11:16.48 | mlewis00 | hsp: kill -9 doesn't work? |
| 11:17.19 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: what you need is x-window-system-core, an x terminal program, and a window manager. (The latter two are supplied by the gnome meta packages) |
| 11:17.37 | redsolo | valdyn_: if I used the "zoom" then the audio goes out of sync very quickly with the video |
| 11:17.45 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: so u r saying i should probably run this command after installing everything... |
| 11:17.51 | hail04 | didnt know optus had sattelite services heheh |
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| 11:18.13 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: you shouldn't run the command you posted - period. |
| 11:18.20 | mlewis00 | hsp: Here is another way to issue the command but I get the same results 'mount -o rw,remount /dev/hdx'...'/dev/hda2 already mounted or / busy' |
| 11:18.20 | valdyn_ | redsolo: your box is to slow then right now, nonetheless, even my amd64 cant play some on xv, unless i increase the cache, which you could try |
| 11:18.21 | hsp | mlewis00: ahm he doesn't recongnize the syntax of kill -9 |
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| 11:18.29 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: k. |
| 11:18.50 | mlewis00 | hsp: kill -9 pid |
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| 11:19.19 | redsolo | valdyn_: it plays fine with XV, but I will try the cache setting |
| 11:19.46 | valdyn_ | redsolo: sure, xv uses no cpu for scaling |
| 11:19.57 | hsp | mlewis00: I added -n to your command, because mtab is also ro, and now it wirks, thanks!! |
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| 11:20.33 | mlewis00 | hsp: Hmmm, OK...glad you got it :-) |
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| 11:20.40 | teclo | Salut les gars |
| 11:20.42 | usn | hi all |
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| 11:21.43 | redsolo | valdyn_: do you think playing with FB would generate better results than XV? |
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| 11:22.05 | valdyn_ | redsolo: no, fb is probably the choice putting most load on your cpu |
| 11:22.07 | mlewis00 | hsp: I forgot about -n :~( |
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| 11:23.23 | valdyn_ | redsolo: -vo gl could put some load off if your chipset ( and driver ) support some h/w gl |
| 11:23.57 | hsp | mlewis00: Just two little characters but such a big diffrence :) ahm, if you have a little more time, can you answer me a question? I should be able to use Ctrl + (F1 - F12) in the console, but they don't work... |
| 11:24.49 | mlewis00 | hsp: Maybe you are in 'single' mode...try runlevel and see what you have. |
| 11:24.52 | redsolo | valdyn_: the gl switch works, but it has the worst performance ive seen yet :) so the driver might not have it100% |
| 11:25.09 | valdyn_ | redsolo: /nod |
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| 11:25.14 | MobyTurbo | hsp: you mean alt-F#? |
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| 11:25.46 | mlewis00 | MobyTurbo: Didn't see that... |
| 11:25.56 | hsp | mlewis00: Ahm I have 'N 2' |
| 11:26.14 | mlewis00 | hsp: <ctrl><alt><f2> |
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| 11:27.06 | hsp | mlewis00: this just switches to console tty2 |
| 11:27.24 | MobyTurbo | hsp: without X running it's just plain alt, with X running you must press both control and alt. |
| 11:27.30 | Jon | has the 'rescue' option been dropped from d-i completely? I can't find it on my sarge CD1 :( |
| 11:27.36 | mlewis00 | hsp: Right...what are you trying to do? |
| 11:27.40 | MobyTurbo | hsp: (plus function key) |
| 11:28.00 | redsolo | ok, another question, I installed the 2.6.10 kernel-image dbnpkg, and now all ascii menus look like crap, and my swedish chars wont work at all.. is there a setting I havent set, because the 2.4.26 worked fine for me |
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| 11:28.39 | NeedingHelp | anyone know why i can't apt-get the nvidia-glx? i keep getting a "has no installation candidate" |
| 11:28.43 | hsp | hsp: I need F24 - F36 that means Ctrl + (F1 - F12), but they don't give any sign out |
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| 11:29.01 | hsp | sorry i meen mlewis00:... |
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| 11:29.05 | Gh0sty | Hello |
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| 11:29.17 | mlewis00 | hsp: Do you have mc installed? |
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| 11:29.45 | kjoonlee | Hi, is gaim's msn support working? |
| 11:29.53 | helpmeplz | hey i was wondering if anyone knew where i could get a useful cpu, hard drive and memory status thing |
| 11:29.57 | Skiver | yes |
| 11:29.59 | kjoonlee | I can't connect to MSN via gaim right now. |
| 11:30.06 | kjoonlee | Hm, OK thanks |
| 11:30.08 | helpmeplz | im connected to it |
| 11:30.11 | helpmeplz | right now also |
| 11:30.16 | xk | ;) |
| 11:30.16 | Skiver | i am connected |
| 11:30.21 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: have you enabled gettinng non-free software during installation? If not, you may need to add "non-free" (and maybe "contrib") to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:30.31 | hsp | mlewis00: mc? what's that? |
| 11:30.37 | Jon | so since I couldn't find a rescue option on my sarge CD, I tried an ubuntu live CD, but that sort-of broke too. do I have to dig out a potato install CD or something? |
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| 11:31.04 | helpmeplz | i cant remember the name of it but it displays system statistics and it sits on your desktop? |
| 11:31.09 | helpmeplz | any ideas? |
| 11:31.10 | Phated | gdesklets? |
| 11:31.16 | mlewis00 | hsp: Midnight Commander...ncurses file manager...apt-get install mc...it has a keyboard map function that you can use to check your keyboard. |
| 11:31.19 | fusion | can tftp do directory listings? |
| 11:31.20 | Zomb | Jon: wtf is a rescue system for you? |
| 11:31.22 | Phated | Or gkrellm or something. |
| 11:31.28 | NeedingHelp | i've got main contrib and non-free on my sources.list |
| 11:31.42 | Zomb | Jon: what the installer runs on is a rescue system |
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| 11:32.05 | scarynetworkguy | helpmeplz: any of about 9.567 million wm dockapps? |
| 11:32.07 | Jon | Zomb: right, but I can't get it to mount my root partition and use the init from that. on potato, I just used 'rescue root=/x/y' |
| 11:32.08 | racoontje|clone | hiya |
| 11:32.09 | redsolo | valdyn_: thanks for helping me out clearing up some questions! |
| 11:32.15 | teclo | Like, I'd like to run commands remotely on a machine that has telnetd, but not sshd.... from a machine that has ssh.... is that possible ? It seems rsh can only do ssh.... |
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| 11:32.25 | hsp | mlewis00: ok, I'll try it. But I still know that the command 'read' doesn't give anything by typing Ctrl + F1 |
| 11:32.27 | stallman | Morning all. Over the past couple of days I've been working to install on a Biostar VIG7Pro with Via Chip set. Almost any Debian based os I install has a major issue when modprobe trys to add the via 82xxx to the kernel and when I do lspci I get almost everything recognised on the bus except for the via chip set. Any suggestions here? |
| 11:32.27 | racoontje|clone | how am I supposed to install an amd64 box using d-i? Since there are no amd64 images... |
| 11:32.55 | Zomb | Jon: welcome to the brave new world of initrd. You need to get the additional stuff & modules in the installer menu. |
| 11:33.12 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: i've got main contrib and non-free on my sources.list |
| 11:33.44 | Jon | Zomb: oh, great :( well thanks for the advice. |
| 11:33.51 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: then that isn't the problem. I heard somewhere that nvidia's been removed from sarge. If true, that could be the problem... |
| 11:34.10 | mlewis00 | hsp: I don't get any output on my console when I type <ctrl><f?> but when I run mc / options / learn keys the <ctrl><f?> keys work. |
| 11:34.31 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: oh brill just what i wanted to hear. looks like my 6800 is never going to work then :( |
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| 11:34.40 | resiak | !tell racoontje|clone -about amd64 |
| 11:34.51 | hsp | mlewis00: also in the standard console? |
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| 11:35.11 | stallman | another message. Failed to recognize VIA 3116. Any Ideas? |
| 11:35.12 | Jon | NeedingHelp: I couldn't find the nvidia stuff in non-free myself, either, yesterday |
| 11:35.20 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: your 68000? |
| 11:35.26 | Jon | NeedingHelp: and for some reason nv driver doesn't support my card |
| 11:35.47 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: nvidia geforce 6800 |
| 11:35.50 | MobyTurbo | er, 6800 is an 8-bit chip, and 68000 doesn't have an MMU ordinarily. |
| 11:35.50 | fusion | does anyone know if tftp can do directory listings? |
| 11:35.56 | mlewis00 | hsp: mc runs as a console program...I don't think it does anything special to interpret the keyboard. |
| 11:36.02 | helpmeplz | phated: thx for the help gkrellm is just what i wanted |
| 11:36.07 | Phated | helpmeplz: :) |
| 11:36.07 | NeedingHelp | Jon: yeah i can't get nv to work with the card either |
| 11:36.20 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: it should work, without 3D acceleration, with the "nv" driver. |
| 11:36.42 | cyberyo | io |
| 11:36.49 | mlewis00 | hsp: It just has an option called 'learn keys' that lets you see if your keyboard is working and has all of they normal keys. |
| 11:37.08 | mlewis00 | hsp: s/they/the/ |
| 11:37.17 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: maybe then you should download the driver from nvidia.com, install the proper kernel-headers package for your kernel, then install it that way. |
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| 11:37.55 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: been 5 years since used linux, i'm starting to get out of my depth. |
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| 11:38.21 | hsp | mlewis00: ahm, soory, what do you mean with s/they/the? |
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| 11:38.56 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: I'm not sure what you didn't understand. |
| 11:39.02 | jezus | im trying to install debian stable....right now im in cfdisk.... i have 2 partitions made... hda1..which is linux ex2(39gig..bootable)....and hda2...which is linux (2gig) |
| 11:39.02 | mlewis00 | hsp: Correcting a spelling error in my previous message :) |
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| 11:39.41 | mlewis00 | hsp: I think what you want is <shift><f?> also... |
| 11:40.22 | hsp | mlewis00: yes shift + f? and ctrl+f?, in X everything works, but in the console... |
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| 11:40.45 | jezus | the partition table says niether partition is mounted... |
| 11:41.15 | jezus | what shld i do next |
| 11:41.15 | fusion | I have telnetd on my router, however it does not have the cd or ls commands... is there any alternative? I have pwd and when I do cat `pwd`bin it says cat:/bin is a directory so there are directories..... |
| 11:41.15 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: i've tried installing the nvidia drivers but got an error: could not find kernel source |
| 11:41.15 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: not sure what it meant |
| 11:41.25 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: you'll need a text browser, like elinks, to go to nvidia.com (or use their ftp site), then you'll need the kernel headers or source for the uname -r of your kernel (via apt-get), then run, via the shell, the nvidia installer. |
| 11:41.27 | fusion | NeedingHelp: you just need to install kernel headers |
| 11:41.38 | xk | is ide-scsi still needed for dvd burning for 2.6.x? |
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| 11:41.48 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: you need kernel headers or kernel source for your kernel version. |
| 11:42.00 | inetd | deadcat you here? |
| 11:42.00 | saloxin | xk: no |
| 11:42.03 | mlewis00 | hsp: <shift><f?> works on my console (gives 5~, 6~, 8~, etc.) but I get no output from <ctrl><f?> or <alt><f?> either. |
| 11:42.11 | mbuf | how would i install gkrellm, using apt-get? debian (installed from knoppix 3.6) |
| 11:42.26 | resiak | mbuf: That's not Debian. |
| 11:42.37 | MobyTurbo | mbuf: debian is not the same as knoppix |
| 11:42.44 | mbuf | resiak, what would i call it then? |
| 11:42.45 | inetd | any mutt users here? how do i set mutt bg to transparent? |
| 11:42.45 | mbuf | i see |
| 11:42.50 | resiak | mbuf: Knoppix. |
| 11:42.53 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite mbuf |
| 11:42.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mbuf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:42.55 | NeedingHelp | MobyTurbo: can i just apt-get kernel-source? |
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| 11:43.19 | xk | saloxin: could you inform me the "migration process" for 2.4.x -> 2.6.x in terms of dvd burning? |
| 11:43.32 | MobyTurbo | NeedingHelp: sure, you can apt-get kernel-source, but it's a bit larger than the headers alone. |
| 11:43.43 | jezus | can someone help me with the install plz |
| 11:43.50 | Zomb | NeedingHelp: m-a prepare |
| 11:43.54 | xk | saloxin: do I still need cdrecord-ProDVD? |
| 11:44.02 | mlewis00 | hsp: Also, I have more <shift><f?> keys available in a 'konsole' terminal in X than I do at a tty console. |
| 11:44.03 | Zomb | NeedingHelp: m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 11:44.08 | racoontje|clone | how am I supposed to install an amd64 box using d-i? Since there are no amd64 images... |
| 11:44.10 | stallman | dpkg what should I do when modprobe fails to recognize my via chipset? |
| 11:44.11 | dpkg | You are moron #59, stallman |
| 11:44.22 | xk | haha. |
| 11:44.25 | resiak | !tell racoontje|clone -about amd64 |
| 11:44.28 | saloxin | xk: no idea aboud dvd burning. check faq -> audio/video for generic burning info |
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| 11:44.57 | resiak | racoontje|clone: I !told you that about 5 minutes ago... |
| 11:44.57 | hsp | mlewis00: Yes, but isn't that a little bit confusing? :) |
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| 11:45.27 | inetd | any mutt users here? |
| 11:45.38 | Maulkin | Yup |
| 11:45.40 | inetd | how do i set transparent bg in mutt? |
| 11:45.42 | stallman | dpkg. why the shitty comment |
| 11:45.48 | resiak | stallman: dpkg is a bot. |
| 11:45.55 | helloyo | hahahahaha |
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| 11:46.28 | stallman | the other day I talked to someone named dpkg. oh well |
| 11:46.41 | Maulkin | inetd: use the default background colour |
| 11:46.42 | resiak | stallman: Uh, yeah, you probably got lucky talking to the bot. |
| 11:46.45 | mlewis00 | hsp: Probably, but the difference is up to the person who wrote the 'konsole' program in KDE...the tty consoles are probably set up to the POSIX standard and are also configurable by the user. |
| 11:47.13 | Maulkin | inetd: http://wiki.mutt.org/index.cgi?action=browse&diff=2&id=MuttFaq/Appearance |
| 11:47.18 | stallman | maybe it was in another room for an OS that actuall worked.... LOL |
| 11:47.37 | jezus | im trying to install debian stable....right now im in cfdisk.... i have 2 partitions made... hda1..which is linux ex2(39gig..bootable)....and hda2...which is linux (2gig) |
| 11:47.41 | rafx | lmao |
| 11:47.53 | TheStar | :q |
| 11:48.00 | TheStar | *sigh* Gotta love vim... |
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| 11:48.43 | resiak | TheStar: I have a bot whose callpunct is :. You can imagine the insult he gives me... |
| 11:48.47 | NeedingHelp | Zomb: can't find the kernel headers |
| 11:48.49 | hsp | mlewis00: I already had a look in my keymap, and the ctrl+f? are described, could it be that a deamon or something else catches them? |
| 11:49.02 | jezus | do i need 3 partitions? |
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| 11:49.33 | resiak | jezus: You need a swap partition, and at least one other. |
| 11:49.39 | Maulkin | jezus: ...... well ......... maybe ........ depends ...... what ...... you ........ want ........ to ....... do |
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| 11:50.54 | jezus | well |
| 11:50.57 | mlewis00 | hsp: I'm not sure...I don't have too much experience with keymaps...where did you look at your keymap at (what config file)? |
| 11:51.02 | jezus | i deleted the 3rd one |
| 11:51.14 | jezus | how do i make the large partition the swap one? |
| 11:51.31 | inetd | Maulkin: ta |
| 11:51.58 | rafx | jezuz: some suggestions...64 MB /boot partition, 256 MB swap partition, remaing space can be giant / partition or you can split /usr and /var into separate ones. and don't use ext2, use ext3. |
| 11:51.58 | resiak | jezus: You don't want a 39gb swap. You want about your ram's size. |
| 11:51.59 | hsp | mlewis00: I looked in /etc/console/ and there is the compressed keymap file |
| 11:52.09 | takatumi | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:52.09 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! |
| 11:52.14 | takatumi | NeedingHelp: ^^ |
| 11:52.50 | jezus | all primary? |
| 11:52.52 | mlewis00 | hsp: Hmm, I'll see if the <ctrl><f?> keys are defined on my system... |
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| 11:53.22 | TinoW | hell-o |
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| 11:54.32 | stallman | anyway. I'm bound and determined to get Debian up and running. Can anyone offer help in the area of Mother Board chip sets that are based on VIA 82xxx but when Debian try's to add modules during install. |
| 11:54.59 | Zomb | NeedingHelp: for which kernel? |
| 11:54.59 | stallman | I get modprobe failures? |
| 11:55.30 | PlanarPlatypus | stallman: what kernel version are you running? |
| 11:55.46 | PlanarPlatypus | and exactly what modprobe errors? |
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| 11:56.01 | NeedingHelp | dpkg: takatumi: it can't find my kernel headers, so i'll go back and install an earlier debian hopefully that will work |
| 11:56.01 | dpkg | You are moron #60, NeedingHelp |
| 11:56.02 | stallman | I've tryed several. 2.2... 2.4 2.6 |
| 11:56.03 | rafx | stallmen: when asking for help, you need to provide enough info for people to understand the problem (like specific error messages) |
| 11:56.45 | takatumi | NeedingHelp: what does uname -r give? |
| 11:56.49 | NeedingHelp | zomb: looks like my problem is the fact that i installed 2.4.27 |
| 11:57.00 | Maulkin | !tell stallman about smart questions |
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| 11:57.04 | inetd | which deb package has import file? |
| 11:57.11 | TinoW | and faster typing ;) |
| 11:57.11 | inetd | to take screenshots |
| 11:57.12 | PlanarPlatypus | stallman: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html is a good place to start |
| 11:57.13 | stallman | ok. here is the message. failed to recocognize Via 82xxx 3116 |
| 11:57.17 | NeedingHelp | tukatumi: 2.4.27 |
| 11:57.38 | mlewis00 | hsp: On my system the <alt><f?> and <ctrl><alt><f?> key combinations are defined but the <ctrl><f?> are not. |
| 11:57.39 | jezus | ok |
| 11:57.45 | TinoW | stallman: uname -r; lspci |
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| 11:57.46 | jezus | i have 3 primary partitions |
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| 11:57.57 | fusion | anyone do ipv6 on debian? I am having trouble using one of the assigned IPs in my /64 block.. I cant bind to it... |
| 11:58.17 | hsp | mlewis00: youre shure there isn't a 'F32'? |
| 11:58.19 | simonrvn | fusion: you can't bind what to it? |
| 11:58.41 | mlewis00 | hsp: Nor are the <shift><f?> defined...they just print some character to stdout when you press them. |
| 11:58.42 | TinoW | ah, are there any efforts on postgres 8.0 debian packages right now? |
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| 11:58.59 | fusion | simonrvn: well, anything.. I do ifconfig on the interface and specify the one I want to use, but when I specify it I get timeouts and no traceroutes |
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| 11:59.08 | joefso | when I cat * how can I see which file gave me the result of a grep? |
| 11:59.24 | mlewis00 | hsp: What do you mean? F32 is console_20 on my system... |
| 11:59.26 | jezus | hda1...linux ext2...39 gig....hda2..which is 1 gig..and hda 3 with is 1.1gig... |
| 11:59.28 | simonrvn | fusion: is it a configured IP somewhere on your network? |
| 11:59.29 | TinoW | joefso: no, but you can just use grep :-) |
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| 11:59.36 | simonrvn | fusion: i.e., is it up? |
| 11:59.40 | jezus | i make the big partition the rootfile system |
| 11:59.41 | joefso | TinoW: no what? |
| 11:59.42 | fusion | simonrvn: yes |
| 11:59.44 | jezus | what should i do next |
| 11:59.45 | hsp | mlewis00: They are on the same line like f1 - f12 |
| 11:59.51 | jezus | non are label swap |
| 11:59.53 | joefso | I need to find ou which file the grep rsult contained? |
| 11:59.54 | jezus | i dunno why |
| 11:59.56 | fusion | simonrvn: it works with the assigned /128 I have, but it wont work with the assigned /64 |
| 11:59.56 | jezus | help! |
| 12:00.01 | resiak | joefso: grep searchterm * |
| 12:00.01 | TinoW | joefso: you cannot see the filename with cat *. What do you want to do? |
| 12:00.05 | hsp | mlewis00: seperated by a tab |
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| 12:00.12 | simonrvn | fusion: getting any errors making it active? |
| 12:00.19 | resiak | jezus: Why have you got those sizes? |
| 12:00.19 | fusion | simonrvn: none at all |
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| 12:00.25 | simonrvn | fusion: how did you configure it? |
| 12:00.51 | fusion | simonrvn: ifconfig and specifying the info - I can pastebin it all if you want |
| 12:01.01 | resiak | jezus: You want something like you were told earlier, but ... One of the smaller ones must be a swap partition. When you're done with the partitioning, write the changes to disk. |
| 12:01.09 | TinoW | joefso: my usual grep line is like this: grep -r -L -n --color searchterm directory/ |
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| 12:01.42 | simonrvn | fusion: lemme see it - use paster /msg paster to see how) |
| 12:02.11 | caphuso | -L and --color together make no sense |
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| 12:02.30 | mlewis00 | hsp: Hmmm, I see what you mean...<shift><f?> only gives you 24 possible function keys...maybe some other keyboards (Sun, IBM, etc.) have up to 34 function keys. |
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| 12:02.43 | simonrvn | hold on, i'm currently repelling an attack here. be a few mins |
| 12:02.50 | jezus | resiak...can u tell me which sizes to use... i have a 41 gig HD....(my memory is 512mg)...should they be all primary...and how do i make the smaller the swap? |
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| 12:03.43 | mlewis00 | hsp: At least on my keyboard, as I have a 101 key IBM with only 12 function keys :) |
| 12:04.27 | fusion | simonrvn: er how do I use the paste? it just says use the paster, luke |
| 12:04.44 | simonrvn | should be an URI in it too |
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| 12:05.00 | simonrvn | fusion: sorry, /whois paster |
| 12:05.04 | fusion | oh |
| 12:05.06 | fusion | thanks |
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| 12:05.58 | resiak | jezus: I'd say use something like a 128MB /boot partition at the start, then a 512MB swap partition, then the rest of your drive. Set the partition types of the first and third of those to ext3, and the middle one to swap. You can make them all primary if you want, or you could stick the second and third inside an extended partition. It's your call. |
| 12:06.01 | hsp | mlewis00: oh, yes that can be reasen. Thanks for your help, I'll search a keymap-guru. :) |
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| 12:06.08 | caphuso | 128MiB /boot?!? |
| 12:06.10 | paster | "fusion" at 60.234.130.137 pasted "ifconfig scripts for ipv6" (44 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/201 |
| 12:06.25 | caphuso | wtf is he going to do with that much space in /boot? |
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| 12:06.39 | takatumi | caphuso: lots of kernels :) |
| 12:06.52 | cog | i'm on the 192.168.10.0 network, but the xdmcp server is on the 192.168.0.0 network. is there a way i can log into it? i can't connect now.. |
| 12:06.59 | caphuso | does he need a /boot at all? |
| 12:07.09 | hail04 | not done on purpose...thanks for your great atitude |
| 12:07.18 | mlewis00 | hsp: No problem, Google should have *lots* of information on keymaps / keyboards for UNIX systems :-) |
| 12:07.51 | resiak | caphuso: I dunno. But why not? I'd rather not explain how to resize it later should he fill up anything smaller. |
| 12:08.19 | caphuso | resiak: then tell him to not put /boot on its own partition |
| 12:08.21 | mlewis00 | hsp: That's where I learn most of what I know about Linux / UNIX / Debian... |
| 12:08.23 | caphuso | problem solved |
| 12:08.33 | resiak | caphuso: That's a very good point. I don't know why I didn't do that. |
| 12:08.51 | KimHansen | what is the current reason for creating /boot/ ? |
| 12:09.14 | caphuso | KimHansen: some software RAID/LVM setups |
| 12:09.18 | jezus | i make the big partition ext2 right? |
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| 12:10.10 | fusion | simonrvn: nb that the 13th line was also tried without the 1 at the end |
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| 12:10.18 | Phated | ext3 recovers better from like a power failure or something. |
| 12:10.20 | KimHansen | caphuso: when I use LVM I just create a 500MB / where /boot also resides, getting / into the LVM is a pain... |
| 12:10.24 | resiak | jezus: In case you haven't been reading this, you might want instead to have all bar 512MB of your disk as one big ext3 partition, and only the last chunk your swap. |
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| 12:10.32 | caphuso | KimHansen: that works too |
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| 12:11.05 | KimHansen | and when LVM breaks I can still boot and fix it :) |
| 12:11.08 | simonrvn | fusion: kinda busy atm. aks someone else. can't put it off either |
| 12:11.20 | fusion | kk |
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| 12:11.49 | simonrvn | or wait |
| 12:11.56 | jezus | well |
| 12:12.03 | jezus | how do i make ext3? |
| 12:12.14 | Phated | You're using the woody installer? |
| 12:12.16 | resiak | jezus: Choose its partition type to be ext3, just as you chose it to be ext2. |
| 12:12.41 | p30n | whats the difference between ext2 and ext3 really? |
| 12:12.42 | resiak | *shudder* I'd assumed Sarge, but ... maybe not. |
| 12:12.42 | caphuso | ext3 isn't a partition type |
| 12:12.47 | resiak | p30n: ext3 is journalled. |
| 12:13.00 | p30n | and that means? |
| 12:13.12 | Phated | It doesn't spit and hiss when you boot up after a power outage. |
| 12:13.22 | p30n | k |
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| 12:13.45 | PlanarPlatypus | p30n: http://www.intelipedia.com/Journaling_filesystem.htm |
| 12:13.50 | p30n | thx |
| 12:14.10 | PlanarPlatypus | and also http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 12:14.45 | Phated | I think the smart-questions FAQ doesn't really apply here, does it. |
| 12:15.08 | PlanarPlatypus | given that the link I posted was on the first page of googe I think it might |
| 12:15.12 | PlanarPlatypus | *google |
| 12:15.31 | Phated | <shrug> |
| 12:15.56 | PlanarPlatypus | also it contains useful advice of how to do research as well as standard ESR ranting :-) |
| 12:16.03 | resiak | Phated: smart-questions _always_ applies ;) |
| 12:16.14 | teclo | yeah |
| 12:16.26 | Phated | All right, ESR-rants are as good a reason as any. |
| 12:16.33 | teclo | There's quite a lot of ESR ranting in most ESR-written docuemnts |
| 12:16.47 | Phated | And that's why they double as entertainment. |
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| 12:17.29 | PlanarPlatypus | indeed |
| 12:17.39 | jezus | how do i chose partition type to be ext3 |
| 12:17.49 | caphuso | jezus: you don't |
| 12:17.57 | Phated | It's not a bloody partition type, it's a filesystem. You just leave cfdisk for now. |
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| 12:18.07 | MobyTurbo | jezus: you don't in the partition portion of the install |
| 12:18.17 | Phated | And then choose to initialise it as ext3 when they ask. IT's a fairly obvious question when it does get asked. |
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| 12:23.10 | Coke | Phated: haha, you are angry. |
| 12:23.19 | Phated | Eh, what? |
| 12:23.28 | Coke | "It's not a bloody partition type" |
| 12:23.32 | Coke | Hihi! |
| 12:23.47 | Phated | Now if only you knew me a little better. That's common vocabulary for me. |
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| 12:23.55 | Coke | Oh. |
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| 12:24.11 | Coke | Well then. Carry on. |
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| 12:24.16 | MobyTurbo | Coke: she probably learned English from australians. ;-> |
| 12:24.22 | Phated | Brits, actually. |
| 12:24.31 | Phated | Bloody Brits. |
| 12:24.38 | jatos | anyone knows where I can get some good IRC clients written in java? |
| 12:24.46 | Coke | jatos: why would you want that? |
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| 12:25.29 | jatos | I want to create an page with applet that opens up one of the freenode channels, ie #freebasic |
| 12:25.45 | Phated | Google "java irc client". |
| 12:26.22 | Coke | jatos: there aren't much java in Debian, or any other sane distribution. |
| 12:26.25 | Coke | there isn't |
| 12:26.28 | PlanarPlatypus | jatos: http://www.ircreviews.org/clients/platforms-java.html |
| 12:26.31 | Coke | damn my english all the way to hell |
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| 12:26.49 | Phated | They're plenty of online clients and stuff. |
| 12:26.54 | inetd | test |
| 12:27.07 | PlanarPlatypus | passed |
| 12:27.08 | Coke | Phated: "online clients" ? |
| 12:27.11 | inetd | !ask dpkg test |
| 12:27.35 | Phated | "online clients", ie, those that open in your webbrowser. Annoying to use, but they work. |
| 12:27.43 | inetd | how do i get irssi to highlight my name if someone mention it? |
| 12:27.51 | Coke | Phated: hehe. ok. I consider my IRSSI an online clients since it is both online and a client. |
| 12:28.13 | caphuso | inetd: /help hilight |
| 12:28.14 | Coke | Phated: also, as apt would have you know, "work" is an ambigious word. ;) |
| 12:28.35 | Phated | And a change of nick, inetd. :) |
| 12:29.04 | Phated | Coke: s/work/function/ <shrug> |
| 12:29.19 | Coke | inetd: you are obsolete, kill yourself and let xinted step forward and do you thing |
| 12:29.25 | quitte | i have a problem with mozilla, galeon and epiphany. whenever i try to download something it hangs. |
| 12:29.31 | inetd | caphuso: ta.. i thikn this theme seems to handle that :) |
| 12:29.46 | inetd | Coke: hehe :p |
| 12:30.16 | inetd | Coke: mind you they still use inetd in solaris :) |
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| 12:30.42 | Phated | But who still uses Solaris, is the question. |
| 12:30.46 | Coke | inetd: I use initd, but only because I don't _use_ it. |
| 12:30.50 | Coke | inetd |
| 12:30.56 | Coke | not init.d |
| 12:31.09 | bbrazil | Phated: some of us do (not by choice) |
| 12:31.19 | Phated | True. |
| 12:31.40 | Coke | bbrazil: but as you all very well know, Solaris is only half a system until you install GNU. |
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| 12:32.32 | bbrazil | Coke: of course |
| 12:33.25 | jezus | bedian |
| 12:33.28 | jezus | *debian |
| 12:33.34 | jezus | is sucessfully installed |
| 12:34.03 | jezus | what do i type to give it a gui |
| 12:34.03 | MobyTurbo | jezus: congradulations. :) |
| 12:34.32 | jezus | i typed "apt-get gdm x-window-system-core |
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| 12:34.45 | jezus | e:says coulnt find package |
| 12:35.04 | simonrvn | oh fun |
| 12:35.05 | simonrvn | snort: [105:1:1] (spo_bo) Back Orifice Traffic detected {UDP} 64.80.205.133:3610 -> 66.11.16 |
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| 12:35.56 | MobyTurbo | jezus: apt-get *install* x-window-system-core your_choice_of_wm your_choice_of_xterm |
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| 12:36.32 | jezus | i dont know any |
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| 12:36.40 | jezus | so can u specify one for me |
| 12:36.45 | jezus | doesnt really matter which |
| 12:36.55 | simonrvn | apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 12:37.04 | Maulkin | jezus: apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 12:37.06 | simonrvn | apt-cache search x-terminal-emulator |
| 12:37.08 | Phated | It couldn't have said "couldn't find package", because it would have said "gdm: unknown fuction" or someything along those lines. |
| 12:37.22 | simonrvn | and if you can't do that, go back to winbloze |
| 12:37.30 | Phated | Harsh. |
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| 12:38.54 | simonrvn | maybe a bit harsh |
| 12:39.11 | xk | is /etc/hotplug/blacklist the proper location to prevent modules being loaded automatically by hotplug? |
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| 12:39.18 | Phated | Well, it's pretty fair, but harsh. Then again, the truth always did hurt, didn't it. |
| 12:39.21 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:39.27 | simonrvn | xk ^^ |
| 12:39.28 | MobyTurbo | xk: you got it |
| 12:39.44 | xk | has anyone gotten cryptsetup to work flawlessly upon bootup? |
| 12:40.04 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 12:40.04 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:40.11 | xk | :) |
| 12:40.12 | simonrvn | now into 100 KB worth of REJECT... |
| 12:40.28 | xk | !who wrote you |
| 12:40.42 | simonrvn | !of what species art thou |
| 12:40.43 | dpkg | debianus bottus |
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| 12:41.06 | simonrvn | @of what species art thou |
| 12:41.06 | ravenbird | Debianus bottus sp. corax |
| 12:41.15 | themusicgod1 | !who wrote you |
| 12:41.23 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.38 | simonrvn | if it didn't work the first time, it won't work the second time if it wasn't added... |
| 12:41.54 | xk | that factoid is like 1636 days old. |
| 12:42.06 | simonrvn | ancient |
| 12:43.03 | xk | 2.6.x cranking on my dual processor setup now... pretty painful with heaps of devices. |
| 12:43.25 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: "if it didn't work the first time, it won't work the second" should be the QOTD. |
| 12:43.42 | Phated | Nah, no context. |
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| 12:44.31 | jezus | how do i install x-windows-system-core |
| 12:44.31 | simonrvn | heh. be ok with context |
| 12:44.31 | xk | kernel-image-* is pretty much sufficient for like... 99.9% of cases. |
| 12:44.31 | Phated | jezus: man apt-get. |
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| 12:44.32 | jezus | says invalid operation install |
| 12:44.35 | xk | but I'm anti-bloat |
| 12:44.41 | tarzeau | jezus: what exactly do you type? |
| 12:44.43 | simonrvn | jezus: hey, you almost have the full command. now all you gota do is add the required command |
| 12:45.03 | Phated | Invalid operation install? Since when? |
| 12:45.08 | jezus | apt-het install x-widnows-system-core |
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| 12:45.12 | tarzeau | hahaha |
| 12:45.17 | Phated | One hopes not. |
| 12:45.20 | tarzeau | jezus: try abt-det |
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| 12:45.26 | jezus | couldnt find package x-windows-system-core |
| 12:45.28 | takatumi | try apt-jet then |
| 12:45.33 | xk | you're mean ;) |
| 12:45.36 | tarzeau | or apt-let |
| 12:45.37 | Phated | jezus: No shit. x-window-system-core. |
| 12:45.46 | jezus | *apt-get |
| 12:45.49 | jezus | i typed |
| 12:45.51 | jezus | err |
| 12:45.52 | simonrvn | FFS look at your command line. don't just type blindly... |
| 12:46.00 | Phated | You know... if you has only just APT-CACHE SEARCH like everyone TOLD you to. |
| 12:46.07 | MobyTurbo | jezus: "window" is singular, not plural |
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| 12:46.10 | idnar | jezus: it's called the X Window System, not "X Windows" |
| 12:46.28 | jezus | invalid operation search |
| 12:47.00 | Phated | FOR FUCK'S SAKE IT'S APT- *CACHE* SEARCH. |
| 12:47.03 | takatumi | jezus: search for apt-cache, install for apt-get |
| 12:47.16 | caphuso | where's remove? |
| 12:47.21 | tarzeau | caphuso: heh |
| 12:47.25 | simonrvn | jezus: man apt-get; man apt-cache; man dpkg; man man; man, you really need to read rutebook or something |
| 12:47.25 | xk | Phated: calm down :) |
| 12:47.27 | MobyTurbo | jezus: OK, here's a command line: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm ratpoison |
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| 12:47.44 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: you forgot gnustep |
| 12:47.56 | Phated | Oh don't give him one of those "minimalist" managers, he'll fucking come back and ask how to use it. |
| 12:48.01 | simonrvn | nah, s/ratpoison/ion2/ |
| 12:48.04 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 12:48.04 | caphuso | ratpoison? please, use something else |
| 12:48.15 | caphuso | and not ion either |
| 12:48.20 | Phated | Like, fucking give him KDE or some of that shit. |
| 12:48.26 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: I didn't want it to be too easy for him. :-) |
| 12:48.26 | tarzeau | Phated: OH NO! |
| 12:48.30 | jezus | ? |
| 12:48.31 | PlanarPlatypus | Phated: KDE has its uses |
| 12:48.32 | caphuso | give him icewm or something equally brain damaged^w^weasy |
| 12:48.38 | Phated | He can't master apt-get, don't fucking give him RATPOISON. |
| 12:48.52 | xk | so who has a digital tv card? |
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| 12:49.00 | Phated | PlanarPlatypus: Yeah, for getting idiots off our back with a shiny GUI. |
| 12:49.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper |
| 12:49.03 | sussudio | :-| |
| 12:49.05 | jezus | couldnt find package x-windows-system-core |
| 12:49.07 | simonrvn | *i* don't get ratpoison (never having used it...) |
| 12:49.12 | palomer | how do I completely remove all traces of a package? |
| 12:49.17 | jezus | i typed exactly what u said |
| 12:49.20 | tarzeau | palomer: --purge remove |
| 12:49.23 | simonrvn | jezus: it's not windows, it's window |
| 12:49.23 | PlanarPlatypus | palomer: dpkg -P |
| 12:49.24 | tarzeau | palomer: on apt-get |
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| 12:49.26 | Phated | JEZUS, FOR FUCK'S SAKE! IT'S x-WINDOW, NOT WINDOWS. |
| 12:49.31 | drac | :D |
| 12:49.36 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/windows.jpg |
| 12:49.49 | Coke | Phated: now you're angry? |
| 12:50.00 | Phated | jezus: No, you didn't. If you had, you would have had it installed by now. |
| 12:50.02 | simonrvn | tarzeau: i love that one |
| 12:50.04 | tarzeau | Coke: and i'm thirsty |
| 12:50.04 | Phated | Coke: /msg dpkg phated |
| 12:50.37 | tarzeau | simonrvn: my fave is, www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 12:50.39 | xk | dpkg: factinfo xk |
| 12:50.39 | dpkg | xk -- created by xk <bk@nerd.ca> at Tue Feb 12 13:13:16 2002 (1075 days); it has been requested 45 times, last by xk, 18s ago; it has been locked by xk. |
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| 12:51.11 | Coke | Phated: I see. Somebody has added "a loser" to the end of your description as well. |
| 12:51.12 | simonrvn | tarzeau: that one's sad |
| 12:51.19 | Phated | Coke: Undoubtedly. |
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| 12:51.29 | Phated | !factinfo phated |
| 12:51.29 | dpkg | phated -- last modified at Sun Dec 19 17:13:49 2004 by grivell!~grivell@pcp05900009pcs.glst3401.nj.comcast.net; it has been requested 15 times, last by bbrazil, 59s ago. |
| 12:51.39 | Phated | There's who did it. |
| 12:51.49 | xk | you should lock your own factoid. |
| 12:51.53 | sussudio | !seen grivell |
| 12:51.54 | dpkg | grivell is currently on #debian (21m 35s). Has said a total of 379 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 52m 36s |
| 12:51.55 | Phated | Why bother? |
| 12:51.57 | Coke | Phated: why would he say that? |
| 12:52.00 | simonrvn | .!lock foo |
| 12:52.00 | sussudio | grivell: hey fucktard |
| 12:52.08 | markybob | weird problem....dmesg shows that the system found hdb, which is a hard drive, but it's not listed in /dev/ so i cant access it. why would the kernel see it at first but not show it in /dev ? |
| 12:52.08 | Phated | Coke: Let's see... I don't know. |
| 12:52.10 | xk | it only works if factoid == nick |
| 12:52.14 | jezus | ya i did apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm kde working my way through now.... |
| 12:52.17 | caphuso | !caphuso |
| 12:52.22 | Coke | !lock Coke |
| 12:52.23 | dpkg | locking factoid coke, Coke |
| 12:52.23 | xk | !hehstats |
| 12:52.23 | dpkg | total count of heh on #debian: 19508 |
| 12:52.26 | Phated | sussudio: Heh. |
| 12:52.27 | simonrvn | xk: ok |
| 12:52.36 | sussudio | ~caphuso |
| 12:52.42 | apt | ACTION |
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| 12:52.44 | tarzeau | hi kuru :) |
| 12:52.44 | kuru | viewcvs is such a cheat |
| 12:52.44 | xk | !hehstats xk |
| 12:52.44 | dpkg | xk has said heh 266 times (1.4 %) |
| 12:52.45 | sussudio | ? |
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| 12:52.59 | kuru | it says I don't have to list all the roots of my svn repositories if I put in an svn_parent_path |
| 12:53.08 | Coke | Phated: why would he add that factoid? |
| 12:53.09 | kuru | but then it still insists on looking for the default_root |
| 12:53.11 | simonrvn | up to 107 K |
| 12:53.20 | kuru | so if I put in a default root |
| 12:53.26 | kuru | I need to have an svn_roots |
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| 12:53.35 | Phated | Coke: <shrug> I don't keep track of who isn't thick-skinned enough to accept something I say. |
| 12:53.41 | kuru | if I have that, then it simply ignores the svn_parent_path |
| 12:53.44 | kuru | so.. what's the point? |
| 12:53.46 | fusion | anyone able to help me with tftp? I keep getting timeouts..... |
| 12:54.05 | Coke | Phated: I don't think anybody of value thinks you're a loser anyway. |
| 12:54.09 | Phated | simonrvn: Still getting hack attempts, eh. |
| 12:54.18 | simonrvn | yup |
| 12:54.26 | kuru | Phated: I keep a matrix for that ;) |
| 12:54.28 | Phated | Coke: Why thank you, you've just validated my life! |
| 12:54.36 | caphuso | Phated: except me |
| 12:54.41 | Phated | caphuso: Well yeah. |
| 12:54.50 | Coke | Phated: ok. be smirk about my friendly aproach. |
| 12:54.51 | Phated | caphuso: But then you think everyone's a loser. |
| 12:54.55 | kuru | anyone running viewcvs with svn repositories wanna chip in? |
| 12:54.55 | xk | dpkg: mac mini is <REPLY> Linux (unfortunately, not Debian) running on the Mac mini: http://www.krussell.com/mini/ |
| 12:54.55 | dpkg | xk: okay |
| 12:55.01 | Phated | simonrvn: Lovely. |
| 12:55.02 | caphuso | Phated: right :) |
| 12:55.05 | jezus | lol |
| 12:55.08 | Phated | caphuso: :) |
| 12:55.14 | jezus | im in select video modes.... |
| 12:55.20 | jezus | and i selected all resolutions |
| 12:55.23 | jezus | how do i move on |
| 12:55.23 | Coke | kuru: what do you need? |
| 12:55.27 | jezus | enter doesnt work heh |
| 12:55.38 | jezus | nvm |
| 12:55.43 | Phated | All resolutions? Oh, why do they always get better hardware. |
| 12:55.52 | Phated | Coke: Get used to it, really. :/ |
| 12:55.52 | simonrvn | i'm setting psad on paranoid |
| 12:56.27 | Coke | jezus: you are BEYOND our helping you |
| 12:56.30 | jezus | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 12:56.33 | kuru | Coke: I need to _not_ enter a complete list of all the svn repository roots |
| 12:56.36 | Coke | jezus: I think you should install Mandrake instead |
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| 12:56.41 | jezus | thast what i get |
| 12:56.44 | Phated | Oh for the love of... Did you bloody hit Ctrl-C? |
| 12:56.45 | jezus | at end of install |
| 12:56.52 | Coke | kuru: just installs the ones you need |
| 12:56.58 | kuru | Coke: so I have an svn_parent_path to do that |
| 12:56.58 | jezus | i wanna get through this..in almost thr... |
| 12:57.01 | kuru | Coke: eh? |
| 12:57.06 | jezus | why |
| 12:57.10 | kuru | Coke: are you familiar with viewcvs? |
| 12:57.11 | jezus | did the write fail??? |
| 12:57.26 | Phated | Let's see if this factoid still exists... |
| 12:57.31 | Phated | !give up jezus |
| 12:57.32 | dpkg | jezus, you're impossible to help. You do things and don't inform your helper that you did. You don't do things you were told to. *shrugs* We've every justification to throw our hands up in exasperation. |
| 12:57.35 | Phated | IT does! |
| 12:57.36 | simonrvn | oh help him out. if maybe perhaps he reads the stuff we gave him he'll get eventually |
| 12:57.56 | Phated | jezus: Just... redo the apt-get command. |
| 12:58.26 | MobyTurbo | jezus: and don't assume the computer will do all of the thinking for you - computers aren't that smart yet. |
| 12:58.27 | jezus | dpkg --configure -a ...says failed.... |
| 12:58.27 | dpkg | jezus: are you smoking crack? |
| 12:58.40 | simonrvn | jezus: your shell has what's called a command history. if you go up with the up arrow, you'll see some of it |
| 12:58.53 | jezus | duh |
| 12:58.56 | jezus | man |
| 12:58.58 | jezus | u gusy |
| 12:59.04 | jezus | i am doing all what u say |
| 12:59.04 | Coke | kuru: I have installed and used it. |
| 12:59.23 | Coke | kuru: all I did was apt-get install it and there it was, all shiny and working |
| 12:59.30 | Phated | jezus: Good, now just bother to actually -read- properly, really. Just... double-check your typing and shit. |
| 12:59.34 | simonrvn | jezus: well you're not follwing it very well. yopu *would* be done by now if you were |
| 12:59.51 | jezus | ya i typed apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm kde |
| 12:59.53 | jezus | again |
| 12:59.56 | simonrvn | mind my typing... |
| 12:59.56 | jezus | and it says... |
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| 13:00.08 | kuru | Coke: apt-get installing something doesn't mean you're familiar with it.. anyhow, thanks. |
| 13:00.40 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh the irony. :) |
| 13:00.41 | jezus | dpkg was interrupted you must manually run dpkg --configure -a |
| 13:00.41 | dpkg | jezus: no idea |
| 13:00.43 | jezus | so i do |
| 13:00.44 | Coke | kuru: I think it makes viewcvs familiar to me, but I wouldn't say I'm knowledgable or an expert on the subject. :) |
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| 13:01.12 | jezus | and i gt failed to write status record about 're'p to var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 13:01.13 | simonrvn | jezus: you can also do apt-get -f install |
| 13:01.23 | simonrvn | jezus: are you doing this as root? |
| 13:01.30 | jezus | yes |
| 13:01.32 | jezus | as root |
| 13:01.48 | Coke | jezus: I think you spell like crap. You miss every third letter when chatting with us, are you sure you don't have typo's elsewhere? |
| 13:01.49 | jezus | simon |
| 13:01.53 | jezus | thats doesnt work |
| 13:02.08 | simonrvn | Coke: sure looks like it |
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| 13:02.25 | kuru | Coke: well, here's a bit of trivia |
| 13:02.32 | Phated | jezus: Please, please, PLEASE, double-triple-quadruple check your COMMANDS. |
| 13:02.41 | simonrvn | jezus: when typing commands, you need to be accurate and precise. if you aren't horrbile things can happen |
| 13:02.50 | simonrvn | horrible* |
| 13:02.53 | Coke | I haven't been following, what is jezus trying to do anyway that is so difficult? |
| 13:02.54 | simonrvn | see? |
| 13:03.01 | kuru | Coke: svn_parent_path is deprecated (and shouldn't in the conf file).. the correct format is root_parents = PATH: ROOT-TYPE |
| 13:03.02 | simonrvn | Coke: install x and a wm |
| 13:03.07 | Coke | ha ha ha. :) |
| 13:03.08 | Maulkin | jezus: Use "dpkg --configure -a" as root, and paste the entire output to www.pastebin.com |
| 13:03.20 | Phated | Coke: Hardly believable, ain't it. |
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| 13:03.33 | jezus | the enter out is... |
| 13:03.37 | Coke | kuru: and you wish to exclude some repositories? |
| 13:03.42 | fusion | does the error ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host mean that the remote host is using keys to auth??? |
| 13:03.47 | Coke | jezus: see, that's not even a real sentence |
| 13:03.48 | kuru | Coke: no, I want them all, automatically |
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| 13:03.54 | kuru | Coke: they're too many for me to keep adding them |
| 13:03.54 | Coke | kuru: ahh. |
| 13:03.56 | simonrvn | fusion: no |
| 13:04.05 | Raf256 | with ifconfig I can set IP adress of ghateway, but wherer can I set with IP to ask for DNS names? |
| 13:04.14 | Maulkin | Raf256: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:04.17 | fusion | oh.. |
| 13:04.21 | Coke | kuru: unfortunately, it's was originally intended for CVS in which you have only one repository. |
| 13:04.21 | jezus | dpkg: failed to write status record about 'rep' to 'var/lib/dpkg/status' : No : ace left on devince |
| 13:04.22 | dpkg | jezus: You are moron #61 |
| 13:04.29 | Raf256 | Maulkin- thanx, and how to tell system to reread this file? |
| 13:04.33 | caphuso | oh god |
| 13:04.34 | Maulkin | Raf256: You don't |
| 13:04.36 | simonrvn | "no space left on device" |
| 13:04.40 | Coke | kuru: I changed a lot of source code in it to make it work like I wanted and removed a lot of CVS-related stuff. |
| 13:04.41 | kuru | Coke: yeah.. but the package in 'testing' has a bad conf file, which should be changed.. |
| 13:04.42 | loswillios | I have a bluetooth-mobile (symbian) and can control my pc using lirc. I wonder if i can use my mobile as a headset for my pc? |
| 13:04.46 | Maulkin | jezus: You aren't copying and pasteing are you? |
| 13:04.46 | kuru | will file a bug report later |
| 13:04.49 | Raf256 | Maulkin- so changes in it work instantly? |
| 13:04.51 | Coke | kuru: oh, file a bug. :) |
| 13:04.55 | Coke | yes. |
| 13:04.58 | simonrvn | jezus: you have no room left on your partition |
| 13:05.03 | jezus | how the fuck could i copy and paste |
| 13:05.06 | Phated | <sigh> |
| 13:05.12 | caphuso | jezus: what does 'df /var' say? |
| 13:05.22 | kuru | Coke: that's what I'll do of course |
| 13:05.24 | Phated | OK, so he has no space on the partition, and he desperately needs gpm. |
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| 13:05.33 | Maulkin | Raf256: Basically yes. You may need to reload some programs, but basically, yes |
| 13:05.50 | simonrvn | i doubt he has a separate /var, unless you folks told him to do that |
| 13:05.53 | Coke | kuru: I think that you would do best to rewrite the section that iterates over the root entries and write something that goes through the directories. Like I said, when I was rewriting portions of viewcvs I removed lot's of one-repository-design features. |
| 13:06.02 | jezus | how do i go back to cfdisk? |
| 13:06.03 | caphuso | simonrvn: i think he installed on his /boot or swap partition |
| 13:06.09 | simonrvn | oh no |
| 13:06.11 | Phated | caphuso: Whaaaat? |
| 13:06.12 | jezus | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.13 | spongebob | has anyone from you guys has the same specs with mine? L440GX Server + Adaptec 7896 SCSI controller |
| 13:06.14 | jezus | lol |
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| 13:06.16 | jezus | i think i did |
| 13:06.20 | Phated | Oh, good lord. |
| 13:06.29 | spongebob | i'm having problem with this mobo |
| 13:06.30 | simonrvn | oh fucking hell |
| 13:06.33 | Phated | Fuck, jezus, reinstall and just make ONE big ext3 partition. |
| 13:06.39 | Coke | jezus: are you religious? you have but one option left to make your installation work: PRAY! |
| 13:06.42 | simonrvn | and a swap |
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| 13:06.55 | xelam | Coke: he's the son on god! |
| 13:07.03 | Phated | Don't fucking bother with those stupid separate partitions. ONe big ext3, one swap. |
| 13:07.09 | simonrvn | "son on god" ? |
| 13:07.13 | Phated | xelam: HIs dad isn´t helping a lot. |
| 13:07.13 | xelam | sorry |
| 13:07.16 | xelam | son OF god |
| 13:07.19 | jezus | ok |
| 13:07.24 | Coke | jezus: install mandrake |
| 13:07.25 | jezus | how do i make the big ext3 |
| 13:07.27 | ouznext | Phated: one big partition isn't a good advice imho |
| 13:07.29 | jezus | and not ext2 |
| 13:07.40 | Coke | jezus: do you own a mac? buy a mac and use OSX, it comes preinstalled. |
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| 13:08.03 | simonrvn | ouznext: scroll up or /lastlog jezus - you'll see it's his only option right now ;) |
| 13:08.06 | malfoeForcast | Coke: Where's the fun in that? |
| 13:08.06 | jezus | the problem is u guys are telling me different things |
| 13:08.14 | jezus | \one guy is telling me to make 3 partitions |
| 13:08.16 | Phated | ouznext: He doesn't know how to fucking partition properly, he installed Debian on the wrong partition, he can't read commands OR type them properly, he shouldn't fucking bother with them. |
| 13:08.18 | jezus | one is like make 2 |
| 13:08.19 | simonrvn | no offense intended here :) |
| 13:08.20 | jezus | and one ext3 |
| 13:08.23 | Phated | OK. |
| 13:08.32 | ouznext | yes mandrake is good for novice |
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| 13:08.35 | Maulkin | !tell jezus about ext2->ext3 |
| 13:08.37 | malfoeForcast | why not let him use knoppix, the qtparted |
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| 13:08.47 | malfoeForcast | rather than using the other partition methods |
| 13:08.49 | caphuso | oh good, i need to go out with the dog |
| 13:08.51 | Coke | malfoeForcast: some people require functionality, not joy. although I get a laugh out of this type of stupidity, jezus is not getting much out of it. |
| 13:08.54 | simonrvn | i think we're giving him too much to abosrb. |
| 13:08.57 | Phated | Let's take a poll. All for jezus making ONE ext3 and ONE swap, total of TWO partitions, type Aye. |
| 13:09.01 | simonrvn | one at a time |
| 13:09.04 | caphuso | Aye |
| 13:09.05 | simonrvn | aye |
| 13:09.07 | Phated | Aye |
| 13:09.08 | quitte | i can't download anythji |
| 13:09.10 | caskey | Aye! |
| 13:09.15 | Coke | The lad needs to use a non-Debian operating system, period! |
| 13:09.16 | malfoeForcast | coke: so what I'm saying is recommend knoppix instead |
| 13:09.17 | Maulkin | Aye |
| 13:09.21 | drasko | hello everybody |
| 13:09.23 | simonrvn | (700 "aye" later....) |
| 13:09.25 | Coke | malfoeForcast: way too difficult. |
| 13:09.29 | Phated | THERE! SEconded, thirded, fourthed, motion passed! |
| 13:09.36 | Coke | malfoeForcast: if there's any way you can fuck it up, I'm sure he will. |
| 13:09.43 | malfoeForcast | coke: fair enough |
| 13:09.44 | quitte | i can't download anything wit galeon,epiphany and konqueror on this sid box here. on my other sid box it works without problems. |
| 13:09.47 | caskey | well, as long as he's not trying to *install* knoppix, but just boot it... |
| 13:09.49 | drasko | I have problem with synaptic -it wont connect. Apt-get install works fine. |
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| 13:10.21 | quitte | i'd be glad for any help. tried removing and installing almost everything - and still it doesn't work |
| 13:10.25 | Maulkin | gradzac: What won't it connect to? Your local grocery shop? |
| 13:10.25 | Coke | jezus: quit wasting your time. you don't have enough knowledge to proceed with Debian as your operating system of choice. Please buy a Mac with OSX or try installing Mandrake. |
| 13:10.34 | husio | welcome....need help with YOPER |
| 13:10.39 | simonrvn | jezus: good luck with whatever you do. good night |
| 13:10.45 | simonrvn | g'night folks |
| 13:10.49 | Phated | Actually, Fedora probably has a more friendly install. |
| 13:10.52 | Maulkin | night simonrvn |
| 13:10.59 | quitte | browsing works without problems - but downloading always fails. both http and ftp |
| 13:11.00 | Phated | Night, simonrvn. Sleep tight. |
| 13:11.07 | husio | ....hey, |
| 13:11.12 | Coke | Phated: really? hm. oh, I wouldn't know since I only use Debian. |
| 13:11.16 | tek- | quitte out of disk space? |
| 13:11.23 | ouznext | quitte: proxy configuration problem ? |
| 13:11.36 | husio | is thin noob chat or what? |
| 13:11.36 | quitte | tek- no |
| 13:11.37 | malfoeForcast | Phated: I've used mandrake and that was damn easy |
| 13:11.38 | drasko | Anybody? |
| 13:11.39 | Coke | quitte: how do you KNOW you can't download? |
| 13:11.41 | Maulkin | drasko: What won't it connect to? Your local grocery shop? |
| 13:11.43 | drasko | Synaptic? |
| 13:11.43 | quitte | ouznext: no proxy at all |
| 13:11.47 | Phated | Coke: I've been through a few distro's installations, Fedora's Anaconda is really nice. |
| 13:11.50 | ouznext | :o |
| 13:11.57 | quitte | Coke the browsers hang and won't get usable |
| 13:12.10 | Phated | malfoeForcast: The last I used was Mandrake 9 or something, it spat my hardware out. :) |
| 13:12.15 | quitte | Coke: all i can do is kill them |
| 13:12.16 | Coke | quitte: what device are you trying to save on? |
| 13:12.20 | ouznext | can you try downloading with wget ? |
| 13:12.23 | Raf256 | damn, how in damn "vi" can I delete a character?! |
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| 13:12.33 | Maulkin | Raf256: x |
| 13:12.33 | Raf256 | since both delete and backspace doesnt seem to work |
| 13:12.39 | malfoeForcast | Phated: Really, what were you using? |
| 13:12.45 | Coke | quitte: I think you've set some download directory to a device that doesn't exist or something like that. |
| 13:12.45 | quitte | Coke i dont get to that point. i click on the file to save - browser hangs after like 2 secs |
| 13:12.47 | Maulkin | Raf256: see vitutor |
| 13:12.49 | drasko | Maulkin: No, it wont read the repository list, I guess. It wont do refresh, and it wont download and install any package. Have an idea? |
| 13:12.56 | Coke | quitte: yeah, but it has a default download directory. |
| 13:12.56 | Phated | malfoeForcast: I have no idea, but Fedora worked fine on it. :) |
| 13:13.02 | quitte | Coke i'll add a new user and try him |
| 13:13.03 | Maulkin | drasko: Are you root? |
| 13:13.11 | malfoeForcast | Raf256" WEnter insert mode (I buton) then backspace/delete |
| 13:13.14 | ouznext | Raf256: x |
| 13:13.16 | Coke | quitte: if the default is to download to a bad device that won't help. |
| 13:13.18 | Raf256 | vi is so facking not user friendly |
| 13:13.20 | Raf256 | thanx |
| 13:13.27 | Phated | Dude, install vim. |
| 13:13.28 | Coke | quitte: you might be able to change the configs by hand also. |
| 13:13.30 | Jenns | Is sndconfig broken in kernel 2.6.x? |
| 13:13.31 | malfoeForcast | Phated: Might give that a look for fun, cheers |
| 13:13.36 | ouznext | Raf256: before using VI, read a VI tutorial please |
| 13:13.44 | Coke | Raf256: vi is totally user friendly |
| 13:13.45 | Raf256 | Phated- ok :) but now Im in rescue mode and only vi here - no vim yet |
| 13:13.49 | Phated | Raf256: Install nano. Problem se=olved. |
| 13:14.02 | azeem | Raf256: there is no 'vi' as is in Debian |
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| 13:14.09 | vik | Lo. |
| 13:14.15 | Coke | I hate when people claim this or that isn't user friendly just because they can't figure out how to use it. It might be ignorant unfriendly, but not user unfriendly. |
| 13:14.16 | quitte | Coke i purged the browser packages and the complete gnome installation before reinstalling. i doubt there could be any settings pointing to a non-existant or bad device |
| 13:14.17 | drasko | Maulkin: Every time I start Synaptic it asks me for the root pass. I gues it has to do with GKsu i have installed, so I guess, after that I am th root in Synaptic. |
| 13:14.21 | vik | I have wifi and gw with philips. |
| 13:14.24 | malfoeForcast | RaF256: have you gone into insert mode |
| 13:14.27 | Coke | quitte: there is still the DEFAULT |
| 13:14.29 | vik | I cannot use wifi MSI card. |
| 13:14.32 | Phated | malfoeForcast: I'm not disputing the easiness of Mdk, it's hitting enter all the while, but Anaconda is far friendlier just because it -looks- better. |
| 13:14.35 | azeem | Raf256: the traditional vi is not Free Software. So all vi's you see are vi-clones instead, it just depends on which one you got (nvi probably) |
| 13:14.42 | Maulkin | drasko: Can you start it as root? |
| 13:14.43 | Raf256 | how to make system re-read /etc/network/intrfaces ? |
| 13:14.50 | Coke | quitte: other than that I have no idea why it would hang. |
| 13:14.52 | quitte | Coke Default would be somewhere in home - and home has lots of free disk space |
| 13:15.02 | Coke | Raf256: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 13:15.11 | Jenns | I like vim anyway :-) ecoh "syntax on" >> .vimrc |
| 13:15.12 | malfoeForcast | Phated: Chill, I just meant that I'll give it a go, and see how it is |
| 13:15.14 | Coke | quitte: try to strace it |
| 13:15.20 | Coke | quitte: and see what function it hangs on |
| 13:15.28 | Phated | malfoeForcast: I'm chill, really. You ain't seen me hot. :) |
| 13:15.29 | drasko | Maulkin:Ok, i will try from the root console and see, but i guee the result will b the same. Will be right back. |
| 13:15.33 | quitte | Coke good idea. i will do that |
| 13:15.34 | Raf256 | Coke- thanx |
| 13:15.35 | malfoeForcast | lol |
| 13:16.07 | Coke | Phated: isn't looks subjective? |
| 13:16.14 | drasko | Maulkin:As I guessed, Refresh dont work. |
| 13:16.15 | Coke | I find the CLI looks the best. Always. |
| 13:16.18 | vik | I want to put an IP on wifi card and join gw by wireless. |
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| 13:16.22 | vik | I use philips |
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| 13:16.48 | Phated | Coke: Of course they are. But the fact is that Anaconda has some GUI thing while Mdk, last I used it, was semi-curses-like. <shrug> Manifestation of the GUI generation. |
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| 13:17.12 | Coke | Phated: hm. I found that the latest Debian sarge installation is very easy to use. |
| 13:17.19 | Phated | I have -nothing- against the CLI, I actually like woody's install more than sarge, FFS, but you know what I mean. |
| 13:17.22 | Coke | Phated: easier than any mdk-installation I've ever tried. |
| 13:17.26 | Phated | Coke: I agree. |
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| 13:17.37 | Jenns | Is sndconfig broken in kernel 2.6.x? |
| 13:17.38 | drasko | Does anybody uses Synaptic package manager? |
| 13:17.44 | Phated | I even used the slink install once, and even -that- was easier than Mdk. |
| 13:17.54 | Coke | Phated: is sarge easier than anaconda? |
| 13:17.56 | Phated | Which is why I say that if not Debian, then Fedora's install. |
| 13:17.58 | Coke | Phated: looks aside |
| 13:17.58 | Jenns | drasko: I use it every now and then |
| 13:18.02 | takatumi | drasko: just use aptitude, all will be well |
| 13:18.04 | ouznext | Raf256: "Vi is user friendly, it's just particular about who it makes friends with ;)" |
| 13:18.13 | vik | is tehre any wifi's fan ? |
| 13:18.15 | spongebob | Jenns: i think sndconfig use OSS rather than alsa |
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| 13:18.23 | Jenns | ah ok |
| 13:18.32 | malfoeForcast | Raf246: Vi is fine once you know a few basic commands |
| 13:18.34 | Jenns | yeah I suppose it would :-) |
| 13:18.42 | drasko | Jenns: I have trouble with Synaptic to connect to repository list. |
| 13:18.58 | rafx | lol, for fun and profit, type: man /dev/urandom |
| 13:19.01 | Phated | Coke: I've used d-i, and personally, I don't quite like it. It's brilliant, detects all my hardware and stuff, and lets me install Lilo instead of grub in expert mode, but the thing is that d-i installs a bigger base system than b-f. |
| 13:19.21 | azeem | Phated: cool, so you take over b-f? |
| 13:19.27 | Phated | azeem: Er, what? |
| 13:19.28 | azeem | we need a maintainer for it |
| 13:19.31 | drasko | takatumi: Its the easy way out. I want to fix the problem, like the real admin. |
| 13:19.40 | Phated | Eh, no, I don't fucking know how to maintain things. |
| 13:19.43 | Jenns | cat /dev/urandom | write root & cat /dev/urandom | mail root |
| 13:19.47 | Phated | Can't code for shit, etc. |
| 13:19.53 | Coke | Phated: yes, I noticed that on the last release. but that's more like the default package list is out of whack, I'm thinking more about installer options and layout. |
| 13:20.04 | takatumi | drasko: real admins don't use synaptic |
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| 13:20.12 | Raf256 | Phated- most code for money, not for shit ;) |
| 13:20.25 | Coke | azeem: I would be interrested if only I had a floppy drive. |
| 13:20.34 | Jenns | I cant code for shit either :-) I code for uni atm :-( |
| 13:20.43 | Phated | Coke: Oh yeah, well... No, still woody's install. It choked a little on setting hostname or something. |
| 13:20.43 | cahoot | Phated: and busy weeding out dpkg's database - not? |
| 13:20.44 | Coke | Haha! :) |
| 13:20.48 | Jenns | I want money |
| 13:20.48 | drasko | takatumi: I am talking about resolving the problems ahen they come. |
| 13:20.51 | Coke | "I cant code for shit either :-) I code for uni atm :-(" |
| 13:20.55 | Phated | cahoot: Hehe. |
| 13:20.57 | azeem | Coke: the name is mostly misleading, you could install via b-f/CDs for a long time |
| 13:21.02 | Phated | Damn, has that got around. :) |
| 13:21.09 | Phated | Coke: Yeah, b-f comes on CDs too. |
| 13:21.15 | drasko | Synaptic help needed! |
| 13:21.17 | Phated | azeem: What would be involved in maintaining b-f? |
| 13:21.29 | azeem | Phated: being on crack would help |
| 13:21.30 | Coke | azeem: I know, but when there are ISO's and jigdo, why b-f? |
| 13:21.31 | Phated | I mean, I really do like it, and it'd be nice to not see it die... :) |
| 13:21.38 | Jenns | drasko: does apt-get install <package> work? |
| 13:21.40 | Phated | Coke: Because of people like me. :) |
| 13:21.45 | annoia | I recently lost alsa sound (though the oss emulation works) during a dist-upgrade.... Now I get this error when running alsamixer: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 13:21.51 | azeem | Coke: the ISO's are generated by b-f |
| 13:21.55 | annoia | Any ideas why this is? |
| 13:21.57 | Coke | Phated: I think I can live with ignoring people like you. :) |
| 13:22.06 | Phated | azeem: That's cups, according to mwilson. Seriousy, though. |
| 13:22.15 | Coke | azeem: hm. interresting. well, too bad I'm not a Debian developer. |
| 13:22.23 | Phated | Coke: Of course you can, I'm probably one like the ignore list of 10% of the channel. |
| 13:22.26 | MobyTurbo | I install sarge or sid via a dist-upgrade from b-f without task/dselect. I have to because d-i doesn't support dial-up PPP (or PPP in general) yet. |
| 13:22.30 | azeem | Coke: really, b-f is just an installer. The fact that it's so old that back then there were only floppies and it got its name is purely historical |
| 13:22.35 | drasko | Jenns: Yes! It does. An I guess aptitude wont work. But Synaptic hangs for some reason |
| 13:22.51 | Jenns | weird |
| 13:23.07 | azeem | drasko: does apt-get update work? |
| 13:23.15 | Coke | azeem: I'm just a hacker, not a fully fledged Debian developer, so... |
| 13:23.37 | azeem | Coke: why do you think it would be better to hack on b-f instead of d-i? |
| 13:23.41 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 13:24.23 | drasko | azeem: Yes. I updatet my Package list. Everything is ok with apt-get. I downloaded some packages which I tried first to download with Synaptic - everything is ok. |
| 13:24.27 | Coke | azeem: I don't think that at all. We were talking about maintainging, not hacking. |
| 13:24.40 | Phated | Heh, cahoot... Now you've made me feel guilty about not working on dpkg for about three days. :) |
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| 13:25.10 | cahoot | Phated: unintentional really |
| 13:25.21 | azeem | Coke: well, maintaining b-f largely invovles hacking, as Linux and Debian are moving target |
| 13:25.24 | azeem | s |
| 13:25.30 | Phated | cahoot: Yeah, but I really should work on it, already been paid in karma and stuff. :) |
| 13:25.32 | Coke | azeem: targets? |
| 13:25.40 | azeem | Coke: they change. |
| 13:25.49 | azeem | b-f hasn't been updated since three years |
| 13:26.00 | azeem | now, we have Linux-2.6 and all types of new shit in Debian |
| 13:26.07 | azeem | like, udev, hotplug, etc. |
| 13:26.10 | Coke | azeem: yep. and people use d-i. |
| 13:26.17 | azeem | indeed |
| 13:26.24 | Phated | Yeah, but b-f is going to be like decomissioned soon, isn't it. |
| 13:26.31 | Coke | azeem: maintaining an installer requires that you have access to various architectures to test it on. |
| 13:26.51 | azeem | Phated: it has been decomissioned five years ago and then suddenly revived for woody |
| 13:26.55 | drasko | Maybe is some repository that I have to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:26.56 | Phated | azeem: Ahh. |
| 13:27.13 | azeem | when people found out that d-i just wouldn't be ready for woody |
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| 13:27.25 | Phated | Yeah, but d-i seems ready from sarge onwards. |
| 13:27.28 | quitte | argh! i found out what it was - thanks to strace. oh stupid me. broken network config. no lo. |
| 13:27.29 | azeem | sure |
| 13:27.31 | Phated | s/from/for/ |
| 13:27.42 | azeem | Phated: *i* didn't suggest using b-f |
| 13:27.48 | Coke | The netinst installer I downloaded was pretty nifty, although I would still like a netinstaller with a live-system on the ISO. |
| 13:27.50 | Phated | True. But I like b-f. :) |
| 13:28.08 | fusion | hrm.. if I get "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" does that mean that there IS an ssh daemon on the remote server? |
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| 13:28.24 | Phated | I -must- agree, though, that d-i's hardware detection is brilliant. |
| 13:28.31 | azeem | Phated: only because you never hacked on it. Which is sort of the point d-i sprang into existence |
| 13:28.39 | Phated | azeem: Ahh. |
| 13:28.41 | azeem | people were tired to hack on that POS b-f was/is |
| 13:28.43 | Coke | Phated: what is har-dware detection? |
| 13:28.53 | Coke | Phated: I don't know it. Can it make toast? |
| 13:29.07 | Phated | Coke: Probably, but I think that's emacs, a whole different OS. |
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| 13:29.17 | Coke | Phated: indeed. :) |
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| 13:29.21 | Phated | Coke: Did you install from d-i or b-f, then? |
| 13:29.33 | Coke | Phated: both. |
| 13:29.38 | Phated | I see. |
| 13:29.43 | Coke | Phated: the latest was the netinst iso |
| 13:29.47 | Coke | Phated: and that's d-i |
| 13:29.48 | Phated | Ah. |
| 13:30.06 | Phated | There was a netinst for b-f too, that was the first Debian that I installed successfully. |
| 13:30.12 | azeem | yes |
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| 13:30.20 | Coke | Phated: it was actualy the first time I used d-i in curses form. I remember installing something using a readline interface some time ago. |
| 13:30.28 | Phated | Coke: Awesome. |
| 13:30.32 | Phated | I love readline. |
| 13:30.45 | Coke | Phated: yes, that is CLI for you |
| 13:30.53 | Coke | Howver, the d-i CLI sucks ass. |
| 13:31.06 | Phated | Coke: True, true. I'm however not opposed to shiny flashy installers either. |
| 13:31.10 | azeem | Phated: DEBCONF_FRONTEND=readline as boot option might give you that |
| 13:31.17 | azeem | or whatever the option is called |
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| 13:31.25 | Phated | azeem: Heh, awesome. |
| 13:31.39 | Coke | azeem: d-i relies solely on debconf? |
| 13:31.47 | azeem | Coke: well, for the UI |
| 13:31.53 | azeem | but yes, AFAIK |
| 13:31.55 | Coke | azeem: that's pretty cool |
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| 13:32.10 | Coke | azeem: I always wondered why the heck debian installers didn't use the debconf system before. |
| 13:32.14 | Coke | and there you have it; it does. |
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| 13:32.29 | azeem | Coke: it's not like there was a new one every other year |
| 13:32.31 | Coke | which makes a lot of sense. |
| 13:32.40 | azeem | b-f predated debconf by years |
| 13:32.44 | mads | when I reboot my system X won't load the nvidia driver, anyone know how to fix this? |
| 13:32.46 | Coke | azeem: yes. |
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| 13:32.57 | TinoW | mads: just dont reboot .-) |
| 13:33.07 | Coke | mads: do you want us to GUESS THE FREAKING ERROR MESSAGE? |
| 13:33.25 | azeem | ok, all I'm saying is that, yes, d-i is bigger than b-f, but it is also a hell of a lot more flexible and hackable |
| 13:33.30 | Phated | Coke: And you say I'm angry? :) |
| 13:33.39 | annoia | apt alsa |
| 13:33.45 | apt | from memory, alsa is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, or at http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 13:33.47 | azeem | people who think d-i is too big should use FAI or something |
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| 13:33.57 | Coke | I absolutely LOATH fuckers who come in asking "my dinner doesn't taste good, what's wrong?" |
| 13:33.57 | Phated | azeem: Isn't there a way to fiddle with d-i to install a smaller base? |
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| 13:34.12 | Phated | My tea tastes funny, any ideas? |
| 13:34.22 | Coke | Phated: I took a wizz in it. :) |
| 13:34.31 | annoia | Where can I find the buglist? |
| 13:34.35 | Phated | I'll tell my mom. |
| 13:34.40 | tarzeau | annoia: of what? bugs.debian.org ? |
| 13:34.42 | azeem | Phated: sure, but I assumed you were talking about code footprint and stuff |
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| 13:34.44 | Phated | annoia: /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 13:34.45 | Coke | annoia: navigate through the debian.org site |
| 13:34.47 | annoia | Clever :) |
| 13:34.53 | azeem | d-i just doesn't fit on one floppy |
| 13:35.12 | mads | Coke, I'll paste it in #flood so you don't have to.. :) |
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| 13:35.19 | Phated | azeem: Oh, no, d-i is brilliant, I have no objection to it. It's the fact that it installs a rather larger base than woody. :) |
| 13:35.23 | Coke | mads: or perhaps you can summarize the problem better? |
| 13:35.44 | Phated | Coke: At this point of time, you don't want "summarise", you want "--verbose". |
| 13:35.51 | mads | Coke, it failt to initialize the kernel module |
| 13:35.53 | azeem | Phated: that's because "base" got larger |
| 13:35.57 | mads | failes even |
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| 13:36.04 | annoia | I recently lost alsa sound (though the oss emulation works) during a dist-upgrade.... Now I get this error when running alsamixer: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device... Any ideas why this is? |
| 13:36.04 | azeem | but that is really sarge's fault, not d-i's |
| 13:36.06 | Coke | Phated: but that's a problem with Sarge, isn't it? Because after I installed the base it does an apt-get upgrade in which I got a shitload of packages. |
| 13:36.07 | Phated | azeem: Fair enough. |
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| 13:36.17 | Phated | Coke: True. |
| 13:36.18 | Coke | mads: X doesn't load kernel modules so you have no clue |
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| 13:36.36 | mads | Coke, that's what was in the log |
| 13:36.46 | Phated | Coke: Except for things like DRI and agpgart. |
| 13:36.49 | Coke | Phated: some of the packages were quite puzzling, but I just went on with it. |
| 13:36.52 | mads | Coke, (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! |
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| 13:37.04 | Coke | there's a HECK of a difference between INITIALIZING AND LOADING |
| 13:37.11 | azeem | 14:32 < mads> Coke, it failt to initialize the kernel module |
| 13:37.12 | valdyn_ | mads: that means you should load it: "modprobe nvidia" |
| 13:37.13 | azeem | indeed |
| 13:37.14 | Phated | Coke: I installed debfoster and started uninstalling other stuff. :) |
| 13:37.16 | Coke | mads: have you loaded the kernel module? |
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| 13:37.43 | mads | Coke, isn't that supposed to be done at boot? |
| 13:37.50 | Phated | No. |
| 13:37.51 | xoxoxo | hello. i want to mount a file as loopback device, and in READONLY mode. anybody please tell me which command to use? i tried "mount -o loop -o ro rootfs /mnt", but it doesnt work ? |
| 13:37.52 | Coke | mads: "supposed"? |
| 13:38.04 | Coke | mads: are women suposed to put out of the man pays for dinner? |
| 13:38.04 | caphuso | !tell xoxoxo -about doesn't work |
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| 13:38.11 | cahoot | Coke: really picking up manners |
| 13:38.13 | valdyn_ | mads: do you use udev? its actually a bug that it doesn't get loaded automatically |
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| 13:38.22 | Phated | Modules only get loaded at boot if they're in /etc/modules. |
| 13:38.28 | mads | Coke, why are you so hostile? |
| 13:38.28 | Coke | mads: cat /etc/modules, check for nvidia entry |
| 13:38.35 | Vargtass | is it hard to re-allocate diskspace in debian? |
| 13:38.40 | Coke | mads: because you don't provide enougn nor correct information. |
| 13:38.40 | caphuso | Phated: or if hotplug etc. decides to load them |
| 13:38.48 | Phated | caphuso: Never used them. :) |
| 13:38.50 | xoxoxo | caphuso: what did you mean? |
| 13:38.51 | valdyn_ | mads: a well documented bug too, see bts |
| 13:38.54 | mads | valdyn_, yes, sadly I am using udev |
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| 13:39.03 | caphuso | xoxoxo: read what dpkg told you |
| 13:39.08 | hyksos | Vargtass : ? |
| 13:39.16 | mads | Coke, I gave you correct information, I said "initialize" the first time |
| 13:39.17 | Vargtass | that came out wrong... is it hard to re-partiotion the harddisk in debian.. |
| 13:39.17 | valdyn_ | mads: no major problem, just means that nvidia.ko won't load automatically.. |
| 13:39.20 | Vargtass | or even possible.. |
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| 13:39.22 | Coke | cahoot: I'm learning from the best. |
| 13:39.30 | Vargtass | *partition.. |
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| 13:39.42 | xoxoxo | caphuso: i want to mount, so why read "dpkg"? |
| 13:39.46 | hyksos | Vargtass : what do you mean? do you have a computer? |
| 13:39.50 | fors | to autoload 8139too. it is just to put that line into /etc/modules ? |
| 13:39.50 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 13:39.59 | Phated | xoxoxo: The dpkg bot just gave you information. Read that. |
| 13:40.04 | cahoot | Coke: översittarattiyd ger inget trevligt intryck |
| 13:40.08 | caphuso | xoxoxo: fine, if you don't want help, don't get help. just /quit |
| 13:40.17 | mads | valdyn_, okay, is there anyway for that to be fixed? |
| 13:40.34 | xoxoxo | ah..., cause the message from bot open in another window. looking at it now |
| 13:40.35 | Vargtass | hyksos: say i make a large partition of one of my discs... and install debian.. and then want to free 3 gb from that partition and make a new one.. without destroying the original partition.. only shrinking it a bit |
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| 13:40.37 | Coke | cahoot: why don't you write a memo to 90% of the regulars in this channel about it? |
| 13:40.54 | hyksos | Vargtass : ah, use qtparted ,or parted |
| 13:40.57 | valdyn_ | mads: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
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| 13:41.13 | valdyn_ | mads: that >> is not a typo |
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| 13:42.01 | mads | valdyn_, ok, done |
| 13:42.13 | xoxoxo | ok thanks guys. cause i mistyped the command ;-) |
| 13:42.26 | xoxoxo | problem solved |
| 13:42.30 | mads | valdyn_, is that it? |
| 13:42.32 | azeem | xoxoxo: glad to hear |
| 13:42.38 | Ringo999 | hello there. im just installing debian, im at the point of choosing which packets to install. i wanne get gnome, which packest do i have to choose (manual)? |
| 13:42.45 | valdyn_ | mads: that will take care that nvidia.ko gets loaded next time you reboot, just "modprobe nvidia" to use X now |
| 13:43.11 | mads | valdyn_, thanks for your help, I apperciate it :) |
| 13:43.29 | azeem | Ringo999: gnome-desktop-environment |
| 13:43.35 | azeem | Ringo999: would be a good start |
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| 13:44.04 | mads | valdyn_, I'll reboot now to test it.. |
| 13:44.04 | Phated | Packages, not packets. </pedant> |
| 13:44.14 | Ringo999 | sorry ;) |
| 13:44.28 | TinoW | mads: try to not reboot so often ;) |
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| 13:45.17 | Coke | Phated: uhm, that's not pedantic at all. |
| 13:45.20 | Coke | Phated: it's just sane. |
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| 13:45.31 | Phated | Coke: Well, mentally run htmltidy and remove the tags. |
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| 13:45.58 | Coke | Phated: I can only read W3C-compatible code. |
| 13:46.08 | Phated | Pffft. |
| 13:46.17 | Ringo999 | azeem: after that, what else...or how do i start gnome? |
| 13:46.41 | KillerBunny | Ringo999, i think its time to read some stuff about debian. |
| 13:46.43 | azeem | Ringo999: gdm will give you a graphical login |
| 13:46.48 | Ringo999 | yeah |
| 13:47.08 | Phated | Of course you do need to install anxserver as well. |
| 13:47.20 | Coke | Ringo999: that should do it. those are "tasks", not packages, and they will install a bunch of packages that will make out your desktop environment. |
| 13:47.23 | Ringo999 | but gnome-desktop environment is huge. can i not just get the basic stuff? |
| 13:47.33 | Phated | Ringo999: That IS the basic stuff. |
| 13:47.34 | azeem | Coke: they are not tasks, they are meta-packages |
| 13:47.40 | Ringo999 | yeah |
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| 13:47.49 | Coke | azeem: the documentation for tasksel says it lists tasks :) |
| 13:47.50 | azeem | (i.e. real packages which are empty but depend on other stuff) |
| 13:47.54 | Phated | Coke: He's on manual select, not tasksel. Thank god. |
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| 13:48.00 | azeem | Coke: yes, but there is no GNOME task anymore |
| 13:48.03 | Coke | Ah. |
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| 13:48.14 | azeem | only the desktop task, which installs both GNOME and KDE |
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| 13:48.19 | Vargtass | sorry for the 'noob' question, but can someone tell me what the difference between ext2 and ext3 filesystem is? |
| 13:48.22 | robin_ | hi, the wike is down ? |
| 13:48.24 | Coke | Oh, I wouldn't know since I haven't run a "desktop environment". |
| 13:48.34 | KillerBunny | Jounals Vargtass. |
| 13:48.38 | Phated | Vargtass: Journaling. Ext3 has journaling, ext2 has not. |
| 13:48.52 | Vargtass | <- stupid... what is journaling |
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| 13:49.04 | mads | hmm it still dosen't work |
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| 13:49.05 | Coke | Ringo999: keep in mind that gnome is split up into several packages, libraries, graphics, programs, etc. |
| 13:49.07 | robin_ | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?debian-amd64 does not show anything usefull :S |
| 13:49.10 | azeem | Vargtass: in essence, the journal keeps a list of files which are being used |
| 13:49.14 | Phated | <shrug> Google. There's some page. |
| 13:49.14 | Coke | mads: lsmod, do you see nvidia there? |
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| 13:49.44 | Vargtass | azeem: any noticable differences in their use? |
| 13:49.48 | KillerBunny | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_filesystem |
| 13:49.53 | KillerBunny | Look there. |
| 13:49.53 | IgorOV | could anyone help me with webmail? |
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| 13:50.29 | Ringo999 | why gdm and not xdm? |
| 13:50.29 | azeem | Vargtass: so when your system crashes, on the next bootup, only those files need to be checked for consistency |
| 13:50.29 | azeem | otherwise, you'd need to check the entire file system which takes a long time |
| 13:50.32 | mads | Coke, yes, but I did a manual modprobe nvidia before starting X |
| 13:50.44 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 13:50.44 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:50.49 | Coke | mads: as long as the nvidia module is listed when running lsmod it's cool |
| 13:50.50 | Vargtass | azeem: aha, cheers for the info ;) |
| 13:50.51 | Phated | Ringo999: It's better, actually. |
| 13:51.08 | azeem | Vargtass: a journal makes thins a bit slower. However this is heavily outweighed by the bootup check time |
| 13:51.09 | Ringo999 | Phated: xdm= |
| 13:51.10 | Coke | mads: try lsmod | grep nvidia if that returns a line with nvidia you have loaded the module successfully |
| 13:51.10 | Ringo999 | ? |
| 13:51.11 | mads | Coke, well the kernel module didn't initialize on startup |
| 13:51.19 | TedBi | Hi. I need some help in understanding menus. Local menus put in ~/.menu appear in wmaker and kde but not in gnome or fluxbox. Why ? |
| 13:51.21 | azeem | Ringo999: your choice |
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| 13:51.25 | PEACEYALL | sup all |
| 13:51.26 | valdyn_ | mads: echo nvidia >> /etc/modules <- then you didnt do that |
| 13:51.29 | Phated | Ringo999: It just gves you a graphical login, it doesn't even really matter. |
| 13:51.30 | azeem | Ringo999: gdm is the GNOME display manager, that's all |
| 13:51.54 | Ringo999 | azeem: so apt-get install gnome && apt-get install gdm? |
| 13:51.55 | Coke | mads: no, it can't initialize it if it isn't loaded, right? |
| 13:52.12 | Coke | mads: so, just verify that you have the nvidia module loaded by typing "lsmod | grep nvidia" and reading the output |
| 13:52.24 | mads | valdyn_, I thought I did... |
| 13:52.27 | IgorOV | Im trying to install squrrellmail webmail service... but when i access it by mozilla browser...(http://localhost/webmail) open download screen to index.php... and dont open welcome screen in "html mode" |
| 13:52.33 | azeem | Ringo999: something like that, yes |
| 13:52.36 | mads | Coke, it is loaded it seems |
| 13:53.00 | Phated | Ringo999: "gnome" will be larger than "gnome-desktop-environment". |
| 13:53.05 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: I'd reccommend putting off installing [x,k,g]dm until you're sure that X is working properly. (Before the dm is installed you start x using "startx") |
| 13:53.06 | Coke | mads: there should be a number after the word "nvidia", what does it say? |
| 13:53.08 | azeem | Ringo999: 'gnome' as opposed to 'gnome-desktop-environment' installs some more stuff though |
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| 13:53.20 | PEACEYALL | can someone help me |
| 13:53.25 | Coke | mads: copy and paste that entire line. |
| 13:53.33 | Coke | !tell PEACEYALL about ask |
| 13:53.47 | robin_ | !ask |
| 13:53.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 13:53.48 | mads | Coke, nvidia 3470300 12 |
| 13:53.48 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 13:53.54 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 13:53.54 | robin_ | !ask amd64 |
| 13:54.05 | Phated | robin_: /msg dpkg, thank you. |
| 13:54.06 | Coke | IgorOV: you have not installed PHP properly. Read the PHP installation manual. |
| 13:54.20 | PEACEYALL | i have a problem with ndiswrapper , i installe dmy fdriver but then when i type modprobe ndiswrapper it tells me FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:54.23 | MobyTurbo | robin_: /msg the robots |
| 13:54.32 | robin_ | k |
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| 13:54.33 | Coke | mads: ok, I'll go to #flood, prepare to paste. |
| 13:54.41 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: so first apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment, then startx? |
| 13:54.43 | IgorOV | Coke: i installed some php4 packages using apt-get .... |
| 13:54.49 | PEACEYALL | what should i do |
| 13:54.51 | Coke | IgorOV: keep reading them manuals. |
| 13:54.58 | hingwah | PEACEYALL: see dmesg |
| 13:55.05 | PEACEYALL | ok i did |
| 13:55.19 | PEACEYALL | its a bunch of stuff |
| 13:55.25 | PEACEYALL | cant [aste it all here |
| 13:55.27 | PEACEYALL | too big |
| 13:55.30 | Phated | Not here, then. |
| 13:55.33 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: ? |
| 13:55.33 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: apt-get install x-window-system gnome-desktop-environment, then startx after you finish configuring it. |
| 13:55.37 | Coke | PEACEYALL: that means you're trying to load a module that doesn't "fit" your kernel. do you use your own sources? |
| 13:55.39 | IgorOV | so... is the problem php support? |
| 13:55.42 | MobyTurbo | er, x-window-system-core |
| 13:55.46 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: thx |
| 13:55.49 | Coke | IgorOV: it's a php + apache configuration problem. |
| 13:56.03 | Coke | IgorOV: it's quite simple if you know how apache works and thing logically |
| 13:56.20 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: gnome-desktop-environment doesn't pull in enough of x-window-system-core for it to run on a stand-alone machine. |
| 13:56.29 | PEACEYALL | [Coke] i dont know i just did a apt-get kernel-headers the version of kernel i have then didf a link then did make install |
| 13:56.33 | IgorOV | hmm... Ok man... i will try |
| 13:56.37 | Coke | IgorOV: you'll have to enable the PHP module, add types and handlers for it. I thought that was done automatically with the debian packages, but I don't know. |
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| 13:56.51 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: ok, im doing it |
| 13:56.55 | psywar | hey what do I need to apt-get in order to populate /usr/include? |
| 13:57.04 | Coke | mads: hm. have you updated your X config to use the "nvidia" driver and not the "nv" ? |
| 13:57.15 | asg | IgorOV: the file /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian file lists the required steps you need to complete for getting PHP going. |
| 13:57.16 | azeem | psywar: -dev packages |
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| 13:57.30 | mads | Coke, yes |
| 13:57.44 | psywar | # apt-get install -dev packages |
| 13:57.44 | psywar | E: Command line option 'e' [from -dev] is not known. |
| 13:57.44 | Coke | mads: and can you paste your nvidia device section from the x config? |
| 13:57.59 | azeem | psywar: do you have any particular need? |
| 13:58.02 | PEACEYALL | [Coke] what should i do to fix this proiblem |
| 13:58.02 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: I should add that I'm not particularly a GNOME fan, and if you don't like it there's plenty of your choice of GUIs out there in Debian. :) |
| 13:58.09 | azeem | 'populate /include' is pretty broad |
| 13:58.23 | asg | psywar: libc6-dev is a good start |
| 13:58.24 | psywar | azeem: I want to get the moduels that should have been installed with zaptel, but weren't. I've got the source. |
| 13:58.33 | Coke | PEACEYALL: why did you install the headers? where does this module come from? |
| 13:58.40 | azeem | psywar: kernel modules? |
| 13:58.55 | PEACEYALL | [Coke] ndiswrapper it tells me to do that in the installation wiki |
| 13:58.58 | psywar | yes |
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| 13:59.17 | asg | psywar: and if you are going to compile anything, the build-essential meta package is a must |
| 13:59.18 | Coke | mads: and in your server section do you use "Standard Video Kort" ? |
| 13:59.38 | Coke | mads: or, I mean in your screen section |
| 13:59.44 | psywar | asg: ah, ty |
| 14:00.01 | Coke | mads: it should have a line looking like Device "Standard Video Kort" |
| 14:00.02 | IgorOV | Thanks Coke and asg |
| 14:00.20 | Coke | IgorOV: np |
| 14:00.21 | mads | Coke, yeah |
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| 14:00.38 | Coke | mads: paste your screen section please. |
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| 14:01.10 | psywar | I'm not missing anyting regarding zaptel am I? I can't seem to find a package that contains zaptel kmods, but the userland tools require them to be installed. So what's the point of having a .deb package for the userland utils w/o listing a pkg containing the kmods as a dependency? |
| 14:01.35 | psywar | is there a reason, perhaps because they're coupled to your kernel version or something? |
| 14:01.37 | Coke | mads: also, try removing that VideoRam 64. the nvidia drivers are weird and not entirely bug free, better not give it any reason to fail. |
| 14:01.39 | caphuso | psywar: there's a source package you have to compile |
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| 14:02.29 | psywar | this all compiled easily on fedora |
| 14:03.01 | PEACEYALL | here coke this is what it said in step 2 . 2. Make sure that kernel headers are available |
| 14:03.02 | PEACEYALL | Either install kernel-source-n.n.n package and compile kernel, or install a kernel-image and matching kernel-headers package (check installed kernel using uname -a). |
| 14:03.07 | psywar | on debian, I got 2822 lines of errors |
| 14:03.09 | Coke | mads: you would have to extract the files in the nvidia driver and read the README on what options are valid for that X module. however, try removing the VideoRam option, it should be detected automatically. |
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| 14:03.47 | Coke | PEACEYALL: you most likely installed headers for a kernel other than the one you are running |
| 14:03.51 | mads | Coke, okay done |
| 14:03.53 | Coke | PEACEYALL: uname -a, what does it say? |
| 14:03.59 | Coke | mads: and X still crashes? |
| 14:04.09 | PEACEYALL | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 14:04.13 | PEACEYALL | sas that |
| 14:04.16 | psywar | do I need any special packages to compile the zaptel kmods? |
| 14:04.23 | caphuso | psywar: use module-assistant |
| 14:04.24 | psywar | In file included from zaptel.c:42: |
| 14:04.24 | psywar | /usr/include/linux/kernel.h:72: error: parse error before "size_t" |
| 14:04.24 | mads | Coke, I have to reboot thise box to check, I'll be back in a few mins |
| 14:04.26 | Coke | PEACEYALL: and what headers did you install? |
| 14:04.28 | psywar | etc. |
| 14:04.28 | Coke | mads: no |
| 14:04.30 | PEACEYALL | same one |
| 14:04.31 | Coke | mads: no reboot |
| 14:04.37 | mads | okay |
| 14:04.37 | Coke | mads: just restart X. |
| 14:04.49 | mads | ok I'll be back in a few secs then.. |
| 14:04.51 | Coke | mads: ctrl + alt + backspace |
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| 14:05.41 | mads | Coke, worked like a charm |
| 14:05.42 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: where do i set the refreshrate of my monitor (hz)? |
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| 14:05.48 | psywar | I've done kernel development, I'm not a total noob, but I am new to debian and a little lost. |
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| 14:06.16 | Coke | mads: yeah, if you want to tweak your X settings for the nvidia kernel, extract the files from the nvidia driver you downloaded and read the file README |
| 14:06.32 | Coke | mads: also, what IRC client do you use? |
| 14:06.36 | PEACEYALL | kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 is already the newest version. |
| 14:06.50 | PEACEYALL | is wat it sas if i try installing it again |
| 14:06.55 | mads | Coke, XChat |
| 14:07.05 | Coke | PEACEYALL: then I can't help, sorry. |
| 14:07.20 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: that will be determined according to your horizontal and vertical sync rates. |
| 14:07.24 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 14:07.26 | PEACEYALL | thanx anywayz |
| 14:07.40 | valdyn_ | psywar: whats zaptel? a kernel module or an app? |
| 14:07.47 | Coke | mads: if you 'apt-get install screen irssi-text' you will get the best IRC client there is and a way to access it from any console at any time. |
| 14:07.55 | MobyTurbo | s/to/by/ |
| 14:07.58 | psywar | valdyn_: kmod with some userland utils |
| 14:08.08 | Coke | mads: then you type "screen irssi". detach with ctrl-d and reattach with the command "screen -r". |
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| 14:08.15 | psywar | ahh, I was supposed to install kernel-headers-balh |
| 14:08.18 | psywar | *blah |
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| 14:08.21 | mads | Coke, will get it, thanks |
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| 14:08.37 | Coke | mads: play around with it, read the manual pages for screen and voila: a very flexible way of maintaining console downloads, chats, etc and not lose them when X shuts down. |
| 14:08.38 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: but how do i get the setup? |
| 14:08.46 | TedBi | Hi. I need some help in understanding menus. Local menus put in ~/.menu appear in wmaker and kde but not in gnome or fluxbox. Why ? |
| 14:08.55 | valdyn_ | psywar: if the kernel module tries to link against /usr/include/linux/kernel.h thats just broken |
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| 14:09.24 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: i shose the easy install option after getting x-window-system and it didnt ask me for the horizontal / vertical refresh rates. |
| 14:09.34 | Phated | Ringo999: Use advanced. |
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| 14:09.44 | Coke | mads: oh, irssi isn't "user friendly" as some people would say, but it has all the functionality you would ever want from an IRC client, but if you are patient and read the manuals and google about it you will have an IRC client that jumps through hoops at your command. |
| 14:09.47 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:09.48 | psywar | module-assistant isn't very helpful |
| 14:09.51 | mads | Coke, very ncie |
| 14:09.53 | Ringo999 | thx! |
| 14:10.02 | MobyTurbo | np |
| 14:10.13 | psywar | make[1]: dh_testdir: Command not found |
| 14:10.14 | Phated | mads: Yeah, and you probably want a better theme for it, also, /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS. |
| 14:10.48 | Coke | mads: yes, best part is, since it is console based you can use screen to leave it running in a detachable background process. screen is also good for having other console based applications running in the background, like torrent downloads, ftp stuff, etc. screen is the "window manager" of the console. |
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| 14:11.03 | scoopex | does the 2.6.10 debian-kernel-image support serial-consoles ? |
| 14:11.13 | psywar | valdyn_: yeah it looks like the driver #includes a lot of <linux/blah.h> files - what's wrong with that? |
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| 14:12.00 | scoopex | i was not able to find CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y in the 2.6-config of the image.....maybe the name to the parameter has changed ? |
| 14:12.00 | valdyn_ | psywar: kernel headers are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include |
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| 14:12.15 | psywar | and what's dh_testdir - part of module_assistant or part of zaptel |
| 14:12.24 | valdyn_ | psywar: "kernel headers" for the glibc are in /usr/include/linux/ |
| 14:12.53 | paulswm | Coke: thanks for that about irssi-text, now you have considering trying out irssi-text with a view to switching from XChat |
| 14:13.00 | paulswm | s/have/have me/ |
| 14:13.08 | valdyn_ | psywar: building modules against /usr/include/linux cant work usually |
| 14:13.14 | Phated | paulswm: Dude, you mean you haven't been using irssi? |
| 14:13.21 | Phated | :) |
| 14:13.27 | psywar | valdyn_: I wonder why the debian zaptel-source package does it then? |
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| 14:13.42 | paulswm | Phated: nah, just XChat |
| 14:13.47 | psywar | do the .deb files get tested at all? |
| 14:14.03 | Phated | paulswm: Ah well. |
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| 14:14.20 | asg | scoopex: iirc, it's CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE |
| 14:14.23 | bob2 | psywar: dh_testdir is part of debhelper |
| 14:14.30 | valdyn_ | psywar: i dont know, either its not the kmod trying to build against those libraries but a userland part, or its just broken |
| 14:14.40 | bob2 | psywar: if some packagefor some random poorly supported binary driver doesn't work, file a bug |
| 14:14.46 | paulswm | Phated: but I'll try it out, may be nice to get back to console rather than these new fangled graphical thingies |
| 14:14.51 | bob2 | assming ou read the instructions carefully |
| 14:14.55 | caphuso | NO! don't file a bug |
| 14:14.55 | valdyn_ | psywar: s/building against those libraries/including those headers/ |
| 14:14.55 | Phated | paulswm: I use it. :) |
| 14:15.11 | caphuso | stupid user ignoring Suggests: and Recommends: is *not* a bug |
| 14:15.12 | mads | Coke, exelent I will definatlu be using it, thanks for your help :) |
| 14:15.16 | bob2 | oh man |
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| 14:15.21 | caphuso | i'm fairly sure about that |
| 14:15.31 | psywar | bob2: so why is it not there? something I need to include? |
| 14:15.34 | paulswm | Phated: yeah but you also use transparent terminals |
| 14:15.42 | psywar | err.. s/include/install/ |
| 14:15.46 | Phated | paulswm: Best of both worlds, I say. |
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| 14:16.36 | bob2 | valdyn_: n, drivers do not ever includee stuff from /usr/include/ |
| 14:16.51 | valdyn_ | bob2: thats what i said ) |
| 14:16.59 | Coke | paulswm: I think you should consider it. it's very flexible and usable. |
| 14:17.01 | bob2 | right |
| 14:17.03 | bob2 | oops |
| 14:17.12 | Coke | I'm off. |
| 14:17.20 | valdyn_ | bob2: some broken stuff "tries" but youre right anyway |
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| 14:17.24 | bob2 | psywar: did you install the Recommended packages |
| 14:17.37 | bob2 | ? |
| 14:17.47 | paulswm | Coke: I'll give it a try - see ya, thanks |
| 14:17.51 | psywar | I do not know. That does not sound familiar. |
| 14:18.09 | Phated | paulswm: Use it use it use it use it. :) |
| 14:18.11 | bob2 | psywar: apt-cache show zaptel-sourcde |
| 14:18.26 | paulswm | Phated: prolly out to be a badger for that, heh |
| 14:18.34 | paulswm | s/out/ought/ |
| 14:18.41 | Phated | paulswm: Nah, we have badgers in enough languages already. :) |
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| 14:19.09 | psywar | yeah I just tried to install those and it appears they're all already installed |
| 14:19.09 | paulswm | Phated: even one which I am proud to say was my suggestion |
| 14:19.14 | Phated | paulswm: Which? |
| 14:19.20 | paulswm | !badgerknoppix |
| 14:19.20 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 14:19.22 | psywar | is there some command line switch to install the recommended stuff? |
| 14:19.29 | Phated | paulswm: Ah, brilliant. |
| 14:19.57 | idnar | heh |
| 14:20.04 | MobyTurbo | psywar: "aptitude install" |
| 14:20.21 | racoontje|clone | !! |
| 14:20.21 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 14:20.25 | racoontje|clone | !!! |
| 14:20.25 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 14:20.31 | Phated | OI! Stop that. |
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| 14:20.46 | racoontje|clone | dpkg, bot abuse |
| 14:20.47 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 14:20.48 | racoontje|clone | ;-) |
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| 14:20.53 | Phated | Don't make me start using !stupid bot tricks. |
| 14:20.59 | psywar | MobyTurbo: ty |
| 14:21.04 | racoontje|clone | Phated, hehe |
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| 14:21.15 | Skiver | how to change a file's permission to Owner & group can RW ? |
| 14:21.16 | caphuso | hrm, it seems i was wrong |
| 14:21.23 | MobyTurbo | psywar: np |
| 14:21.25 | Phated | racoontje|clone: Seriously, though, /msg dpkg for fun and profit. |
| 14:21.25 | asg | Skiver: man chmod |
| 14:21.32 | racoontje|clone | Skiver: man chmod |
| 14:21.51 | caphuso | zaptel-source handles the debhelper with a build-depends of the zaptel-modules package, and that's just plain wrong |
| 14:22.08 | psywar | can anyone try to compile zaptel-source and tell me if it works please? If the problem is mine I don't want to fill out a bug report. |
| 14:22.19 | azeem | mh_le: what do you have against udev? |
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| 14:22.27 | LinuxGuy | Hi All |
| 14:22.37 | LinuxGuy | I'm new to Debian Linux |
| 14:22.42 | LinuxGuy | I am wondering |
| 14:22.49 | Phated | Put your sentence on one line, please. |
| 14:22.51 | LinuxGuy | How many CD images do I need to download to use Sarge? |
| 14:22.58 | LinuxGuy | sorry |
| 14:23.02 | mh_le | azeem, I suspect that it's what causing the nvidia driver to crash my laptop |
| 14:23.03 | Phated | LinuxGuy: One, like the number of lines it would be good to use. |
| 14:23.06 | MobyTurbo | LinuxGuy: 1 |
| 14:23.07 | mentor | LinusGates: Well, none. |
| 14:23.18 | LinuxGuy | ;-) |
| 14:23.20 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 14:23.26 | mh_le | LinuxGuy, the first, just install the rest from the net |
| 14:23.28 | azeem | mh_le: oh, sorry to hear that |
| 14:23.28 | MobyTurbo | LinuxGuy: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:23.32 | Phated | Now we know who uses irssi... |
| 14:23.43 | LinuxGuy | Does the first CD include GNOME? |
| 14:23.47 | valdyn_ | psywar: /sbin/ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied |
| 14:23.56 | Phated | LinuxGuy: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 14:24.01 | valdyn_ | psywar: thats what compiling zaptel gives me, wtf |
| 14:24.03 | mentor | LinuxGuy: You can use floppies if you want...or a netboot image...or a usb drive... |
| 14:24.17 | Phated | Would be fun to install off USB. |
| 14:24.23 | psywar | hrm |
| 14:24.28 | LinuxGuy | I have downloaded sarge-i386-1.iso and downloading 2 as we speak |
| 14:24.30 | asg | Phated: more fun to PXE boot it |
| 14:24.36 | azeem | mentor: floppies aren't really supported anymore, other than to stick in a USB pendrive, no? |
| 14:24.38 | mh_le | LinuxGuy, if not it will be downloaded automatically if you select a graphical desktop |
| 14:24.39 | Phated | asg: Yeah all right. |
| 14:24.49 | psywar | valdyn_: hrm, sounds like it wants you to be root |
| 14:24.53 | mentor | azeem: Not really, no. |
| 14:24.59 | LinuxGuy | How big is GNOME? 50mb? 100mb? |
| 14:25.08 | valdyn_ | psywar: yes, certainly thats not supposed to require root |
| 14:25.11 | Phated | Proobably more. |
| 14:25.13 | LinuxGuy | My broadband connection isn't very fast! |
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| 14:25.27 | paulswm | LinuxGuy: you really only have to dl the net-install iso then you can do the rest over the net |
| 14:25.29 | Phated | STFU, broadband is more than enough. |
| 14:25.33 | racoontje|clone | linuxguy: consider new broadband |
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| 14:25.44 | valdyn_ | psywar: kernel compile requiring root would be fucking stupid |
| 14:25.49 | racoontje|clone | hehe I love the amd64 images |
| 14:25.54 | racoontje|clone | netboot iso is 4 mb |
| 14:25.55 | LinuxGuy | raccontje|clone: I can't aford anything better than what I have! |
| 14:26.02 | LinuxGuy | I'm only 15! |
| 14:26.07 | psywar | LinuxGuy: You're going to spend more time downloading the CDs than installing some subset of them |
| 14:26.10 | Phated | It shows. |
| 14:26.10 | asg | Phated: spoiled youngsters *sigh* ( |
| 14:26.10 | asg | 09:25 < LinuxGuy> My broadband connection isn't very fast! |
| 14:26.12 | racoontje|clone | "monolithic", also called "fucking huge", is 8 mb |
| 14:26.19 | Phated | asg: I -swear-. |
| 14:26.32 | Phated | asg: When the FUCK was broadband not fast? |
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| 14:26.37 | MaRcIo | yo |
| 14:26.58 | LinuxGuy | Most people I know seem to have 1mbit and 2mbit |
| 14:27.02 | MobyTurbo | I've got a dial-up connection. |
| 14:27.04 | asg | Phated: I've never seen it. |
| 14:27.08 | idnar | Phated: when you're in a country where "broadband" is a 512Kbps connection, with a 3GB monthly transfer cap |
| 14:27.09 | LinuxGuy | I currently only have 512kbps |
| 14:27.18 | racoontje|clone | LinuxGuy, who cares... I'm 15 too but at least I make enough money to pay for my own broadband (5Mbit sdsl) |
| 14:27.22 | Phated | I shed tears for you, truly. |
| 14:27.37 | racoontje|clone | Phated: lol |
| 14:27.40 | MobyTurbo | LinuxGuy: you only need a net connection, 512kbps is over 10 times faster than me. |
| 14:27.41 | Phated | idnar: <shrug> |
| 14:27.47 | LinuxGuy | I bet 5Mbit is fast! |
| 14:27.50 | psywar | valdyn_: can you try "make -i" on it? |
| 14:27.55 | Guerin | 5mbit ain't fast |
| 14:27.58 | idnar | I'm on a 128Kbps ISDN dial-up |
| 14:28.04 | valdyn_ | psywar: i built it as root, that works |
| 14:28.06 | Phated | LinuxGuy: It's not dialup. Just... like, shut up or something. |
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| 14:28.07 | paulswm | psywar: you don't have to be root to compile kernels, take a look at /etc/kernel-pkg.conf - you can set, for instance, root_cmd := sudo |
| 14:28.13 | racoontje|clone | Phated: I'm a spoilt teenager too, when it comes to speed.. But I'm not really spoilt because I actually have to work for it :D |
| 14:28.14 | Guerin | 5 megabit is little nancy bandwidth pipeage |
| 14:28.15 | LinuxGuy | Sorry Phated |
| 14:28.28 | racoontje|clone | LinuxGuy: Hahaah you think 5mbit is fast? wait till you hit college |
| 14:28.33 | Phated | racoontje|clone: I have like... 1.5 mbit? <shrug> Works fine for me. |
| 14:28.36 | psywar | valdyn_: hrm so it worked for you? do you have any clue what packages are required that I don't have? |
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| 14:28.48 | psywar | I mean, this is a fairly recent fresh install, |
| 14:28.52 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: ok, startx gives an error message :( |
| 14:29.04 | Phated | Nah, college doesn't count. It's unnatural. |
| 14:29.05 | valdyn_ | psywar: build-essential? |
| 14:29.11 | LinuxGuy | Can anybody recommend a good email HOWTO? |
| 14:29.14 | LinuxGuy | or guide? |
| 14:29.20 | palomer | how to email? |
| 14:29.20 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 14:29.20 | dpkg | it has been said that mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 14:29.29 | racoontje|clone | Phated: problem is lack of connection here... so either it was 56k which costs tons of money (local calls rnt free in europe) or it was blowing new cables through city streets |
| 14:29.37 | sunai | what's college? that where them rich kids go? |
| 14:29.43 | psywar | valdyn_: mind if I pm you? |
| 14:29.43 | PlanarPlatypus | LinuxGuy: for a mailserver or mail client? |
| 14:29.44 | Phated | racoontje|clone: Meh. |
| 14:29.50 | LinuxGuy | mailserver |
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| 14:29.57 | valdyn_ | psywar: i dont |
| 14:30.04 | racoontje|clone | phated: if costs for 128kbit are the same as that for 5mbit, Ill grab 5 mbit kthx |
| 14:30.07 | PlanarPlatypus | LinuxGuy: what do you need to do with it? |
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| 14:30.29 | racoontje|clone | Phated: I could probably work with 1.5 just as well :-) |
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| 14:30.42 | Phated | racoontje|clone: Agreed. Someone here's coming in with 3.5 mbits... I'm thinking of switching. How much do you pay per month for 5mbit? |
| 14:30.45 | paulswm | LinuxGuy: I was stuck with 56K dialup until two months ago because I live out in the sticks, now I have 5MBit cable, but I am having difficulty feeling sorry for you |
| 14:30.48 | LinuxGuy | I would like: a.) MTA b.) IMAP access c.) Webmail d.) Antivirus c.) SpamAssassin |
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| 14:31.01 | Phated | paulswm: The whining don't help, do it. |
| 14:31.01 | racoontje|clone | RSS TV rocks :-) |
| 14:31.08 | racoontje|clone | LinuxGuy: use qmail. |
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| 14:31.20 | LinuxGuy | pawlsm: I know the feeling. I waited 2 years for broadband to come to my area |
| 14:31.21 | paulswm | Phated: well just pick on me then |
| 14:31.36 | racoontje|clone | LinuxGuy: antivirus? meh. protecting people who use outlook is unnatural. You're impeding natural selection |
| 14:31.39 | Phated | paulswm: I dunno, I'm at least a little jealous of your 160-gig sales. :) |
| 14:31.41 | racoontje|clone | darwin would roll in his grave |
| 14:31.51 | Phated | Spin. The word is spin. |
| 14:31.56 | palomer | I followed the debian java howto |
| 14:31.58 | palomer | and debian |
| 14:32.04 | palomer | still thinks I'm using java 1.4 |
| 14:32.04 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail |
| 14:32.15 | PlanarPlatypus | LinuxGuy: http://www.flounder.net/qmail/qmail-howto.html http://www.qmail.org/top.html#addons |
| 14:32.17 | Guerin | don't use qmail, for the love of god |
| 14:32.34 | LinuxGuy | What is wrong with Qmail? |
| 14:32.40 | Guerin | it's djbware |
| 14:32.44 | Guerin | it's non-free |
| 14:32.56 | paulswm | Phated: heh, I haven't gone yet, may not, although I have 2 8G drives which are begging to be replaced :) |
| 14:32.59 | LinuxGuy | Is Postfix better? |
| 14:33.04 | Guerin | it requires learnign a lot of things which aren't applicable to other MTAs |
| 14:33.10 | Phated | paulswm: Oooh, send me those 8-gig babies. :) |
| 14:33.15 | Guerin | it's got a lot of stupid quirks |
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| 14:33.31 | Guerin | yes, postfix is better |
| 14:33.42 | racoontje|clone | guerin: qmail, quirks? Really? Haven't noticed. |
| 14:33.42 | paulswm | Phated: they suck, they are slow Quantum Bigfoots - 1 huge platter - and they're ATA33 |
| 14:33.45 | idnar | Guerin: that's rather subjective |
| 14:33.45 | PlanarPlatypus | LinuxGuy: Qmail works, it is a bie unusual in a lot of ways but it is secure, fast and has some useful features |
| 14:33.55 | Ringo999 | Alleria: ok i have installed x-window-system and gnome-Desktop-evironement. startx gives an error message. what do i do? |
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| 14:33.58 | racoontje|clone | paulswm: those 5 1/2" drives |
| 14:33.59 | Phated | paulswm: *eyes glaze over* OK. |
| 14:34.02 | idnar | Guerin: imo, postfix is horribly complex compared to qmail |
| 14:34.06 | Guerin | it's very feature-poor compared to postfix and exim |
| 14:34.14 | PlanarPlatypus | Guerin: howso? |
| 14:34.21 | Phated | Postfix complex? What? |
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| 14:34.27 | Guerin | PlanarPlatypus: I'm not going to get into details |
| 14:34.32 | Guerin | postfix IS complex |
| 14:34.34 | gilles | When connecting to the internet via dhcp, we can use "dhclient ethX", how to do when we have a fix ip ? |
| 14:34.34 | racoontje|clone | Guerin: name me one thing qmail doesn't do |
| 14:34.37 | paulswm | racoontje|clone: yeah, they came out of an old compaq when I put 2 40s in, so I stuck 'em in another box for backups |
| 14:34.39 | Guerin | oh ffs |
| 14:34.43 | caphuso | racoontje|clone: not being annoying |
| 14:34.44 | pw | qmail! For when standard unix filesystem conventions aren't difficult enough! |
| 14:34.44 | Anynomous | idnar : Use sendmail, very logic configuration. |
| 14:34.50 | idnar | Anynomous: *chuckle* |
| 14:34.53 | Guerin | qmail bounces when it should reject |
| 14:34.57 | PlanarPlatypus | Guerin: so fling a link, making a statement then not backing it up is not really the best way to convince people |
| 14:34.58 | Guerin | that's reason enough not to use it |
| 14:35.08 | Ringo999 | @all: ok i have installed x-window-system and gnome-Desktop-evironement. startx gives an error message. what do i do? please help :( |
| 14:35.19 | Guerin | i'm not trying to convince people; if you don't want to believe me, don't. |
| 14:35.19 | Anynomous | idnar : Seriuosly: The guy managing qmail sources is a loon! |
| 14:35.30 | pw | Word up. |
| 14:35.30 | racoontje|clone | Guerin: didn't they put that in config files recently? |
| 14:35.33 | racoontje|clone | !confuse me |
| 14:35.34 | dpkg | No, what is their ferret yesterday, racoontje|clone? pants of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 14:35.39 | takatumi | Ringo999: check for line with EE in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 14:35.41 | paulswm | Ringo999: start by tellin us WTF the error message is |
| 14:35.50 | idnar | Anynomous: he may be, but I still like his software |
| 14:35.54 | LinuxGuy | So some think Posfix is better than Qmail and vice versa! |
| 14:36.00 | Guerin | racoontje|clone: who? qmail's base distribution almost never changes |
| 14:36.01 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 14:36.01 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 14:36.08 | Anynomous | idnar : His license also sucks .. and so does the documentation. |
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| 14:36.16 | paulswm | sussudio: heh, good one |
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| 14:36.25 | idnar | Anynomous: the only complaint I have about djbware (and I use most of it) is the licence |
| 14:36.29 | Anynomous | idnar : Which all summed up makes me stick with good ole sendmail. :-) |
| 14:36.37 | LinuxGuy | what is the license like? |
| 14:36.43 | tomosius | which network modelu should i choose? Asus K8N-E deluxe ? i'm using LAN |
| 14:36.44 | Guerin | god, sendmail is even worse than qmail |
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| 14:36.57 | racoontje|clone | Guerin: at least we agree on something |
| 14:36.59 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Take a break from IRC. Go google. |
| 14:37.01 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: don't distribute modified binaries. |
| 14:37.08 | drasko | my Synaptic dont work. Any ideas? |
| 14:37.11 | LinuxGuy | OK |
| 14:37.14 | psywar | If I wanted to reinstall from scratch, and this box is just going to do asterisk and some x10 stuff, not a general-purpose machine, what debian release should I install and why? |
| 14:37.15 | LinuxGuy | Just a question |
| 14:37.18 | racoontje|clone | Guerin: sendmail is awful |
| 14:37.19 | Anynomous | Guerin : No way .. the documentation is wonderfull, and you can tweek it what you like. The license isn't perfect, but its free. |
| 14:37.27 | psywar | yeah fuck sendmail, use postfix |
| 14:37.28 | resiak | drasko: Are you running it via sudo or similar? |
| 14:37.34 | LinuxGuy | what is the default GUI on Debian? |
| 14:37.34 | resiak | !start an mta war |
| 14:37.35 | paulswm | psywar: sarge |
| 14:37.35 | dpkg | sendmail sucks |
| 14:37.37 | PlanarPlatypus | psywar: I use sarge for a similar box |
| 14:37.38 | LinuxGuy | KDE or GNOME? |
| 14:37.39 | Anynomous | !start a mta war |
| 14:37.39 | dpkg | qmail has an evil license |
| 14:37.41 | resiak | LinuxGuy: there isn't one. |
| 14:37.46 | racoontje|clone | psywar: depends. I like unstable, but no particular reason. it has new packages and is really stable anyway |
| 14:37.50 | racoontje|clone | dpkg: stfu |
| 14:37.50 | resiak | LinuxGuy: You pick whichever you want. |
| 14:37.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
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| 14:37.51 | Guerin | Anynomous: except you need to learn what is essentially a new programming language to configure it |
| 14:37.53 | asg | Guerin: qmail by design doesn't do all things; however, adding features is very easy. |
| 14:37.53 | pw | For all you folk asking daft questions badly: "/msg dpkg tell me about ask" |
| 14:37.58 | Anynomous | OK .. I wont fight |
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| 14:38.03 | Ringo999 | takatumi: ah it says "no core pointer registered" so no mouse |
| 14:38.09 | Phated | pw: Or just /mag dpkg ask. |
| 14:38.13 | Phated | /msg. |
| 14:38.16 | sussudio | !doe racoontje|clone |
| 14:38.17 | pw | Phated: That too. |
| 14:38.20 | drasko | resiak: I just start Synaptic. It then asks me for root password. I guess it it runned through GKsu. |
| 14:38.20 | Ringo999 | now it works ;) |
| 14:38.22 | psywar | sarge is - stable? |
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| 14:38.24 | LinuxGuy | In the Sarge setup, I choose Desktop GUI option |
| 14:38.25 | pw | Whatever it is, they should do it :) |
| 14:38.28 | resiak | drasko: So what's broken about it? |
| 14:38.31 | asg | psywar: no, woody is |
| 14:38.32 | LinuxGuy | what does this install? |
| 14:38.33 | MichaelSaunders | Going to have a a few parties want to make up some play lists. But I sort of want to fade the music in and out dont want gaps. What can anyone recommend for linux that is like a virtual dj |
| 14:38.38 | paulswm | psywar: sarge is testing |
| 14:38.40 | resiak | LinuxGuy: I have no idea. Probably both. |
| 14:38.45 | Guerin | asg: but because of the license, this has to be done from scratch every time. In trying to enforce standardisation, djb makes it really hard to standardise on anything except the base distro... which is lacking. |
| 14:38.46 | LinuxGuy | OK |
| 14:38.49 | Phated | resiak: Last I heard it was both. |
| 14:38.55 | racoontje|clone | Sendmail is awful, qmail is nice but has an icky license, so try exim/postfix |
| 14:38.56 | resiak | Phated: I remember it being both, so. |
| 14:39.00 | LinuxGuy | done some googling and came up with www.qmailrocks.org |
| 14:39.02 | LinuxGuy | looks good |
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| 14:39.05 | Phated | resiak: Good enough. *fluffle* |
| 14:39.06 | idnar | Guerin: the licence doesn't stop you distributing modified source |
| 14:39.08 | lawnchair | uh |
| 14:39.12 | lawnchair | how is sendmail awful |
| 14:39.14 | psywar | rc2? |
| 14:39.19 | racoontje|clone | also, squirrelmail == great ! |
| 14:39.21 | lawnchair | just cause you dont ujnderstand it or know how to use it |
| 14:39.24 | lawnchair | doesnt mean its bad |
| 14:39.28 | psywar | lawnchair: it's config language is so fucked up they write it in m4 |
| 14:39.30 | Guerin | idnar: I know. |
| 14:39.32 | resiak | drasko: What's broken about it? |
| 14:39.34 | lawnchair | i <3 m4 |
| 14:39.34 | psywar | postfix is really a lot easier for most cases |
| 14:39.34 | racoontje|clone | lawnchair, come on, have you looked at the source |
| 14:39.34 | idnar | postfix wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so horribly complicated |
| 14:39.40 | drasko | resiak: Apt-get from console works fine, but Synaptic don't detect network I guess. It wont download packages... |
| 14:39.42 | lawnchair | yah |
| 14:39.48 | lawnchair | okay its def overly complex |
| 14:39.50 | resiak | drasko: Define "won't". |
| 14:39.51 | MichaelSaunders | ANy ideas for my party |
| 14:39.52 | lawnchair | but...its not awful |
| 14:39.54 | psywar | if you're starting from scratch, use postfix - more secure, easier to configure |
| 14:39.58 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: qmailrocks.org is awful if you want a system that actually integrates with debian. |
| 14:40.01 | LinuxGuy | i like Debian better than Fedora already! |
| 14:40.09 | LinuxGuy | the community seems to be good |
| 14:40.12 | asg | Guerin: you can distribute patches and/or your scripts quite easily. You can also compile it to put the bits in various filesystem places. |
| 14:40.12 | racoontje|clone | lawnchair, try compairing the security of qmail vs sendmail |
| 14:40.14 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: you WILL end up wrangling hacked-in source installs; this is NOT a good thing. |
| 14:40.15 | paulswm | !win LinuxGuy |
| 14:40.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, LinuxGuy! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:40.20 | lawnchair | heh |
| 14:40.22 | takatumi | Ringo999: that's probably why your debian geek friend suggested "14:07 Ringo999 | what does this command do : "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" |
| 14:40.26 | lawnchair | true |
| 14:40.27 | psywar | rc2 or current? |
| 14:40.35 | racoontje|clone | you know I'm back to using debian |
| 14:40.38 | racoontje|clone | after having used gentoo |
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| 14:40.40 | Phated | He's probably the first person who's ever said Debian's community was good. |
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| 14:40.42 | lawnchair | ugh qmail disgusts me alos |
| 14:40.44 | racoontje|clone | I have to say, absolutely no regrets |
| 14:40.45 | lawnchair | its such a penis |
| 14:40.47 | drasko | reisak: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/3/3dchess/3dchess_0.8.1-9_i386.deb |
| 14:40.48 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.48 | Phated | psywar: Current. |
| 14:40.52 | drasko | for example |
| 14:40.55 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: if you're not already a MTA kungfu master, use something that debian can support natively and properly via its package management system. |
| 14:41.02 | LinuxGuy | I am new to emails |
| 14:41.04 | MichaelSaunders | Qmail is excellent I have 50,000 plus mailboxes it is the best mail package I have used |
| 14:41.05 | Phated | Postfix, for example. |
| 14:41.05 | LinuxGuy | so I have no idea |
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| 14:41.10 | asg | LinuxGuy: /msg dpkg mail tutorial |
| 14:41.13 | Skiver | is there a program to convert mp3 id3 tags into certain encoding ? |
| 14:41.20 | racoontje|clone | lawnchair: yes, it's active and useful when required and it takes up very little space when it isn't |
| 14:41.20 | idnar | lawnchair: wow, it's obvious a tremendous amount of thought went into that argument, since it's so well substantiated :P |
| 14:41.22 | psywar | cool, thanks all - will reinstall |
| 14:41.33 | equnix | hi! i have two nics, eth0 and eth1, eth1 is connect to internet via dhcp. a friend wants to connect to eth0 and get internet as well. what do i need for this? |
| 14:41.34 | PlanarPlatypus | Skiver: you mean encoding as in UTF-8 |
| 14:41.38 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: the default MTA installed with debian is exim4. Unless you have a good reason to change, stick with it. |
| 14:41.44 | paulswm | psywar: enjoy :) |
| 14:41.46 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: or use the link I gave you before. |
| 14:41.49 | lawnchair | idnar, which argument |
| 14:41.53 | LinuxGuy | OK |
| 14:41.55 | Skiver | PlanarPlatypus : yes ! |
| 14:42.06 | idnar | lawnchair: "its such a penis" |
| 14:42.07 | racoontje|clone | synergy!! |
| 14:42.16 | resiak | !synergy2++ |
| 14:42.17 | lawnchair | idnar, oh im sorry, cry about it |
| 14:42.19 | lawnchair | jesus christ |
| 14:42.20 | lawnchair | whats wrong w/ you |
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| 14:42.29 | Phated | idnar: That wasn't an argument, it was a assertion. |
| 14:42.33 | Phated | resiak: Still fun, eh. |
| 14:42.38 | lawnchair | idnar, get a life dood |
| 14:42.38 | resiak | drasko: That's odd. Hmm. |
| 14:42.38 | LinuxGuy | is the .deb like rpm? |
| 14:42.41 | resiak | Phated: I don't have it here. |
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| 14:42.46 | resiak | LinuxGuy: Yes, but much better. |
| 14:42.46 | PlanarPlatypus | Skiver: I don't know of one but if you know perl then perldoc MP3::Tag and a perl script based on that might help |
| 14:42.50 | idnar | lawnchair: I'd rather make sarcastic wisecracks than cry about it |
| 14:42.50 | Phated | resiak: Why teh karma then? |
| 14:42.55 | paulswm | LinuxGuy: conceptually, yes |
| 14:42.57 | LinuxGuy | faster than RPM? |
| 14:42.59 | lawnchair | idnar, kiss me |
| 14:43.03 | resiak | Phated: Because it's still ace. |
| 14:43.07 | Phated | resiak: True. |
| 14:43.09 | resiak | LinuxGuy: Just better. |
| 14:43.21 | resiak | Phated: It's not synergy2's fault that I only have one box here. |
| 14:43.22 | paulswm | LinuxGuy: better, evrrything about #debian is better, especially us in here |
| 14:43.23 | Phated | resiak: It communicates with Windows, no? |
| 14:43.26 | drasko | Any ideas? |
| 14:43.27 | hdkiller | LinuxGuy, speed dosen't count as difference |
| 14:43.28 | resiak | Phated: Hell yes. |
| 14:43.32 | Phated | paulswm: Good lord. |
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| 14:43.38 | Phated | resiak: Cool. |
| 14:43.38 | paulswm | Phated: :> |
| 14:43.43 | palomer | someone remind me how to create a soft link A to file B |
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| 14:43.48 | LinuxGuy | Is there a way to create Postfix accounts via web? |
| 14:43.49 | asg | palomer: man ln |
| 14:43.50 | Phated | palomer: man ln. |
| 14:43.51 | resiak | Phated: And Solaris, and OS X, and anything else you can built it on. |
| 14:43.56 | hdkiller | palomer, ln -s; man ln |
| 14:44.00 | Phated | resiak: Sweeeeeet. |
| 14:44.11 | Blaster123 | good morning does anyone know ow to use gtar |
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| 14:44.11 | LinuxGuy | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 14:44.19 | LinuxGuy | This tutorial doesn't emention it |
| 14:44.27 | LinuxGuy | but Qmailrocks.org seems to! |
| 14:44.28 | drasko | When i do the Reload in Synaptic it says: Could not download all repository indexes |
| 14:44.28 | drasko | The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences. |
| 14:44.35 | Phated | Man, who the FUCK write those lousy raps in dpkg? |
| 14:44.37 | Blaster123 | LinuxGuy yea postfixadmin |
| 14:44.38 | chrisrend | LinuxGuy ever get dependancy hell? Try and install a large app with rpms :) |
| 14:44.58 | asg | Phated: factinfo <factoid> |
| 14:45.00 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: you just need a frontend like postfixadmin, from http://high5.net |
| 14:45.01 | LinuxGuy | Does .deb not have dependency stuff? |
| 14:45.06 | Phated | asg: Too many to bother. |
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| 14:45.12 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: of course it fucking does |
| 14:45.12 | pw | LinuxGuy: Yes. |
| 14:45.13 | asg | Phated: true |
| 14:45.14 | Phated | LinuxGuy: It has them. Only it fixes them. |
| 14:45.21 | Guerin | !tell LinuxGuy about fundamentals |
| 14:45.23 | LinuxGuy | I see. Sounds good |
| 14:45.28 | Phated | asg: I wouldn't be complaining if it was just one or two, would I. |
| 14:45.33 | Phated | Hm... I -might-... |
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| 14:45.37 | asg | Phated: point taken |
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| 14:45.41 | LinuxGuy | As I said, I am new to Debian and don't know much about it |
| 14:45.59 | chrisrend | .deb files are very easy to install, everything always works perfectly, unlike rpms |
| 14:45.59 | Phated | LinuxGuy: http://www.debian.org. Enjoy. |
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| 14:46.07 | caphuso | grrr... ghosted the wrong nick |
| 14:46.08 | drasko | Do anybody use Synaptic around here? |
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| 14:46.13 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: then read the debian reference, the #debian faq and the pkgmgmt howto |
| 14:46.14 | asg | caphuso: :) |
| 14:46.17 | Phated | caphuso: Bloody ops, eh. :) |
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| 14:46.19 | paulswm | LinuxGuy: you already know more than when you started :) |
| 14:46.28 | LinuxGuy | true |
| 14:46.48 | caphuso | the OFTC nickserv is clever enough to not let you ghost yourself |
| 14:46.52 | Guerin | chrisrend: 'always works perfectly' -- really? |
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| 14:47.00 | drasko | Where can I ask for help? |
| 14:47.01 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:47.07 | Guerin | chrisrend: careful with those generalisations, you might cut yourself... |
| 14:47.08 | chrisrend | Ive never had a problem I couldnt fix |
| 14:47.21 | Guerin | chrisrend: that does not qualify as 'perfectly' |
| 14:47.24 | chrisrend | ; |
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| 14:47.32 | LinuxGuy | I have Debian running! |
| 14:47.37 | psywar | okay so for this box, which I'm reinstalling, what do you recommend I do after installation - what should I install (via apt?) to make life easy? |
| 14:47.44 | chrisrend | *shuts up now ;) |
| 14:47.56 | asg | psywar: install vim less screen mutt ; remove nvi |
| 14:48.07 | Phated | irssi-text |
| 14:48.12 | LinuxGuy | Oh! |
| 14:48.14 | tomosius | which network module should i choose? Asus K8N-E deluxe ? i'm using LAN |
| 14:48.15 | LinuxGuy | GNOME looks nice |
| 14:48.32 | psywar | I fielded a lot of suggestions earlier and it was somewhat confusing. I mean mostly for compilation and kernel mods, not regular day-to-day stuff |
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| 14:48.35 | pw | psywar: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment kde build-essential <-- should do you. |
| 14:48.38 | caphuso | # ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 14:48.38 | caphuso | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 8 2004 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/nvi |
| 14:48.39 | Phated | You need to... drop the anime-exclamations. |
| 14:48.39 | LinuxGuy | I can't logon as root |
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| 14:48.54 | psywar | it will be without monitor or keyboard :) so no need for kde |
| 14:48.58 | paulswm | crap, just realized that when I was LinuxGuy's age, teletypes were leading edge technology |
| 14:49.01 | psywar | build_essential sounds good though |
| 14:49.02 | Guerin | for those of you still wanting to know why qmail is bad, this post sums up my opinions pretty well |
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| 14:49.05 | Guerin | http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html |
| 14:49.14 | pw | paulswm: I'm a young fart then; vt220s were new :) |
| 14:49.24 | tummyacid | hey there i was dumb enough to install deb on a partition that is now full. i have another one that is not yet formatted on this drive that i would like to transfer / too |
| 14:49.36 | tummyacid | anyone suggest an easy way of doing this? |
| 14:49.41 | Phated | pw: When I was his age... woody was already 2.5 years old. :) |
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| 14:49.55 | LinuxGuy | Sorry but what do I to change the screen resolution? |
| 14:50.03 | paulswm | pw: wrote first prog on Ferranti Sirius in 1968 |
| 14:50.06 | malfoeForcast | Phated: How old is he then |
| 14:50.11 | tummyacid | abrotman i got the wifi to work im on it now |
| 14:50.24 | Phated | malfoeForcast: He's 15 or something. I'm 17 this september. :) |
| 14:50.26 | pw | paulswm: Rockin'. First prog was on Commodore PET in 1979. |
| 14:50.42 | Phated | Bah, geezer night. |
| 14:50.45 | malfoeForcast | Phated: Man I'm 19 going on 20.. I feel so old |
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| 14:50.57 | Phated | malfoeForcast: Haha. Ask paulswm how old he is. You'll feel better. :) |
| 14:50.58 | grivell | pw: Was born in 79 :) |
| 14:50.59 | paulswm | Phated: you'll be one yourself soon enough |
| 14:51.00 | asg | Phated: we have nothing better to do now that Social Security has kicked in :p |
| 14:51.14 | Guerin | !qmail is also for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2004/02/msg00179.html |
| 14:51.14 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 14:51.16 | Phated | paulswm: That's geezette to you, mister. |
| 14:51.20 | malfoeForcast | Phated: experience is worth a lot. |
| 14:51.23 | Phated | asg: Hehe. |
| 14:51.33 | Phated | malfoeForcast: Youth, youth! Plenty of time for experience later. |
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| 14:51.41 | malfoeForcast | Phated: agreed |
| 14:51.46 | Phated | :) |
| 14:52.13 | paulswm | pw: cool, that's prolly when the bug bit you then |
| 14:52.15 | LinuxGuy | I like KDE better! |
| 14:52.20 | Phated | <sigh> |
| 14:52.26 | paulswm | !start a wm war |
| 14:52.26 | dpkg | emacs makes me vomit! |
| 14:52.28 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Drop the anime-girl exclamations, -really-. |
| 14:52.30 | asg | Guerin: I've always wondered how many debian users who bitch about the qmail license have a clean bill of health from vrms. |
| 14:52.30 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: i like ratpoison better! |
| 14:52.36 | malfoeForcast | IceWM is much better witht he same functionality |
| 14:52.38 | Phated | I like Openbox better. |
| 14:52.46 | pw | paulswm: I'm wondering how many of these kids have even seen a Pr1me. |
| 14:53.01 | tummyacid | can anyone suggest an easy way to move / to a larger partition? it took this machine ages to recompile the kernel for wifi and i dont want to have to do it again after reinstalling to a larger partition |
| 14:53.03 | malfoeForcast | whats Pr1me :) |
| 14:53.06 | asg | Phated: the xml config still rubs me the wrong way though :) |
| 14:53.14 | Phated | asg: Yeah XML sucks. Agreed. |
| 14:53.14 | Guerin | asg: yeah, fair play. I have java and some codecs, but that's all. |
| 14:53.20 | Phated | Plaintext foreva! |
| 14:53.29 | pw | XML /is/ plain text :) |
| 14:53.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 14:53.38 | Phated | Yeah yeah. |
| 14:53.45 | LinuxGuy | How do I configure the screen resoltion |
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| 14:53.46 | Phated | paulswm: DUDE! |
| 14:53.48 | asg | paulswm: ah, nice metric |
| 14:53.50 | doleyb | tummyacid: reboot from a cd (like your installer or knoppix) and move it over. |
| 14:53.53 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:53.53 | Phated | paulswm: Man you -are- old. |
| 14:53.58 | Guerin | xml ain't that bad ... as long as it's not used for user-editable config files |
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| 14:54.19 | tummyacid | doleyb dont i have to change fstab and grub and all? |
| 14:54.24 | pw | Guerin: Why? |
| 14:54.30 | paulswm | Phated: I know, I feel a bit grubby even conversing with you |
| 14:54.34 | valdyn_ | tummyacid: cp -axR / /elsewhere |
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| 14:54.50 | pw | I find that XML schemas, when properly designed, are more-or-less self-documenting. See /etc/fonts/local.conf for an example. |
| 14:55.06 | Phated | paulswm: Wait, is that x=Phated_age, y=LinuxGuy_age, z=paulswm_age, z=2x+y or z=2(x+y)? |
| 14:55.16 | Guerin | pw: because people shouldn't have to learn how xml works to configure their apps. |
| 14:55.17 | Phated | Guerin: Hehe. |
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| 14:55.24 | pw | Guerin: they don't have to. |
| 14:55.25 | abrotman | tummyacid: good |
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| 14:55.37 | LinuxGuy | what tool do I use? |
| 14:55.39 | PlanarPlatypus | Guerin: it depends how it is formatted |
| 14:55.45 | Guerin | pw: not currently, because few apps require you to edit their xml config files |
| 14:55.58 | Phated | LinuxGuy: KDE has some GUI Control Panel rubbish, go dig around. |
| 14:55.59 | asg | pw: xml isn't as easy to work with using standard command line tools |
| 14:56.09 | paulswm | Phated: actually z = 2x + y + 5 |
| 14:56.24 | pw | asg: It's no worse than the squillion slightly different layouts that everything else uses |
| 14:56.24 | Phated | paulswm: Ah, right, s/=/>/ in my previous statement. :) |
| 14:56.25 | malfoeForcast | LinuxGuy: I think it's Kcontrol |
| 14:56.30 | Guerin | PlanarPlatypus: yeah. Some XML is nice and readable; that's part of the point. But not all of it is, and it's ALWAYS more complex than foo = bar |
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| 14:56.50 | tummyacid | valdyn_ : do i do that while the os is booted? or should i reboot with livecd first?? |
| 14:56.51 | Phated | paulswm: So you're like... 54. OHMYGOD. |
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| 14:56.56 | asg | pw: well, most things conform to space/tab/colon delimeters. |
| 14:57.08 | PlanarPlatypus | Guerin: no /always/ but the times it is useful if for something which involves a tree structure |
| 14:57.10 | paulswm | Phated: you can STFU now kthx |
| 14:57.12 | PlanarPlatypus | *not |
| 14:57.13 | pw | some things put stuff in [section] blocks, some don't, some have "thing=val", some have "thing val", some comma-separate lists, some colon-separate theirs, some space-separate them... |
| 14:57.14 | Guerin | pw: IF there existed a Single XML Schema - one Schema to Rule All Config Files - that could be useful. |
| 14:57.16 | paulswm | Phated: :) |
| 14:57.20 | malfoeForcast | paulswm: 54 and still going.. respect |
| 14:57.30 | LinuxGuy | it is in 800x600 and I would like 1024x768 but there is no option to change it in the KDE Config |
| 14:57.30 | Phated | paulswm: Gee, mister, sawrry. |
| 14:57.36 | peppo | something is mounting my DVDs before gnome-volume-manager, which means it cannot launch the intended desktop application (like xine or totem). this seems to be Debian specific. which daemon is mounting the disc before gnome-volume-manager gets a chance? |
| 14:57.41 | paulswm | Phated: j/k |
| 14:57.41 | Guerin | PlanarPlatypus: yeah, true. I do like apache's pseudo-xml config. |
| 14:57.44 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
| 14:57.53 | paulswm | malfoeForcast: ex hippie, did nt' expect to live past 30 |
| 14:57.55 | pw | Guerin: that'd be an argument if non-XML config files were in any way consistently designed, but they're not, so it isn't :) |
| 14:58.02 | Guerin | though it's mostly because I invested a lot of time and pain learning how it worked |
| 14:58.03 | drasko | Synaptic, do anybody use it? |
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| 14:58.07 | valdyn_ | tummyacid: depends on which services you have running. Usually you can stop all that are relevant. Or just go to single user mode ( shutdown now ) |
| 14:58.16 | PlanarPlatypus | Guerin: I think XML is probably the definition of overapplication of something which started out as being faintly useful |
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| 14:58.26 | Phated | paulswm: Come on, launch into one of those "When I was a kid" stories, go on! |
| 14:58.27 | malfoeForcast | paulswm: Must be something about the hippy lifestyle then... not that I would know, only stereotypes here |
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| 14:58.47 | paulswm | Phated: no, did that the other day |
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| 14:58.55 | Guerin | pw: well, it is still valid, because people currently DO know these neew config files. For a new user just starting out, all-xml might be good, but for anyone with experience, it's a step back. |
| 14:58.55 | malfoeForcast | paulswm: story, story |
| 14:58.58 | Phated | paulswm: Aw, come on, granpappy! |
| 14:58.59 | malfoeForcast | lol |
| 14:59.09 | pw | Guerin: For anyone with experience, there's no excuse :) |
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| 14:59.17 | Guerin | pw: why not? |
| 14:59.28 | paulswm | Phated: I have a picture beside my bed of my late father and I halfway up Fraser's Hill when I was maybe 3 |
| 14:59.32 | grivell | Phated: He needs his rest. |
| 14:59.39 | tummyacid | valdyn_ : i think id rather just boot the install cd and get to a shell, but after i do that how do i tell deb to use the new partition? i have /boot on its own partition and its not getting moved, just everything else |
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| 14:59.43 | Guerin | no excuse not to learn principles of xml, bevcause they're pretty simple? |
| 14:59.56 | Phated | paulswm: Right. |
| 14:59.57 | pw | Given that all the config files out there are slightly different (and therefore require different handling), XML's just another thing to hack on with your Perl scripts. |
| 15:00.03 | Phated | grivell: Hehe. |
| 15:00.06 | pw | Stick it on the pile. |
| 15:00.26 | asg | Guerin: I suppose we could take an xml config and use xslt to transform it into something tab delimeted so we can all be comfortable :) |
| 15:00.32 | Guerin | yeah, perl does xml pretty well. basic shell tools don't, though. |
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| 15:00.44 | bhearsum | what CUPS driver does an HP Deskjet 712c use? |
| 15:00.46 | pw | Guerin: So? I've never met a Linux system without Perl installed. |
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| 15:00.56 | valdyn_ | tummyacid: just adjust your fstab and your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:01.02 | peppo | something is mounting my DVDs before gnome-volume-manager, which means it cannot launch the intended desktop application (like xine or totem). this seems to be Debian specific. which daemon is mounting the disc before gnome-volume-manager gets a chance? |
| 15:01.07 | tummyacid | thanx valdyn_ |
| 15:01.10 | LinuxGuy | Right |
| 15:01.15 | LinuxGuy | I have used the command |
| 15:01.18 | LinuxGuy | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:01.19 | pw | You can have Linux without Perl, but that's like going to wire up a cabinet without your side cutters. It's doable, but a royal pain in the bum. |
| 15:01.20 | LinuxGuy | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:01.21 | LinuxGuy | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:01.22 | Guerin | pw: not everyone knows perl; I'm much more comfortable with shell tools like awk, sed, cut, head, tail, tr, grep, etc... |
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| 15:01.23 | peppo | is there a daemon in Debian that superceds gnome-volume-manager? |
| 15:01.24 | Phated | LinuxGuy: On. One. Line. |
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| 15:01.26 | LinuxGuy | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:01.32 | LinuxGuy | to do it |
| 15:01.34 | pw | Guerin: Not everyone knows all those, either. |
| 15:01.35 | LinuxGuy | sorry |
| 15:01.37 | malfoeForcast | peppo: Why don't you ned the deamons one by one, then atempt to mount the dvd |
| 15:01.38 | Guerin | asg: I'd like that. I write all my xml with one attribute per line. |
| 15:01.41 | valdyn_ | tummyacid: grub looks into root fs ( / ), reads fstab and deducts /boot from there if needed so that needs to be working |
| 15:01.41 | Guerin | pw: true. |
| 15:01.44 | LinuxGuy | I have a nVIDIA card |
| 15:01.51 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Use the nv driver. |
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| 15:01.56 | LinuxGuy | which option to I choose fot the X server driver? |
| 15:01.57 | LinuxGuy | thanks |
| 15:02.07 | takatumi | peppo: probably hald/udev |
| 15:02.09 | peppo | Malach, ned? I can mount the dvd manually fine. it IS mounted fine... but GNOME won't launch my chosen DVD player. |
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| 15:02.29 | malfoeForcast | *end... kill |
| 15:02.41 | Esaj | does hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } mean that my hard disk is dying? |
| 15:02.43 | LinuxGuy | it is asking me for all sorts of address bus |
| 15:02.45 | peppo | takatumi, doesn't gnome cooperate with them? shouldn't they work fine together? |
| 15:02.54 | drac | I installed freenet6 and tried ipv6 in ipv4 tunnel out. now i've removed all packages related to it, but I still have sit0 showing up on ifconfig. How can I remove it from there? |
| 15:02.55 | LinuxGuy | How do I do it automatically? |
| 15:03.02 | asg | Guerin: yeah, I'm considering writing my system documentation from now on in xml and then translating to a manpage (for on system). |
| 15:03.03 | takatumi | peppo: haven't tried, but heard they work well together. |
| 15:03.04 | peppo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.04 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: widhe |
| 15:03.06 | pw | Esaj: Yes. Run the drive diagnostics and stand by to RMA it. |
| 15:03.06 | peppo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.07 | peppo | hm! |
| 15:03.07 | LinuxGuy | I just need to change it from versa to nv |
| 15:03.13 | racoontje|clone | !!! |
| 15:03.13 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:03.21 | Esaj | pw: what tool should I use for diagnostics? |
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| 15:03.33 | Guerin | asg: I write mine in docbook. i started in TeX, but it's not as well suited for html translation as docbook is. |
| 15:03.34 | pw | Esaj: Whatever your drive has. |
| 15:03.44 | Esaj | pw: ok, cheers |
| 15:03.45 | Guerin | asg: happily, emacs has several awesome xml modes... |
| 15:03.48 | asg | Guerin: yeah, docbook is nice. |
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| 15:03.52 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | SECURITY: CUPS (DSA 621-1) ZIP (624-1) EXIM (DSA 635-1) local kernel root exploit (SMP-only): http://tinyurl.com/5v7ty |
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| 15:03.59 | paulswm | Esaj: you should have a diag cd supplied my the drive manufacturer |
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| 15:04.10 | paulswm | Esaj: if not, go to their web site |
| 15:04.16 | Esaj | paulswm: ok, will do |
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| 15:04.28 | equnix | how do i set up eth0 to connect with my friends xp box (in the same room)? he want to use my eth1 connection to get to the internet |
| 15:04.58 | paulswm | Esaj: whenever I have seen that error, it has been a dying drive, don't leave it too long to get stuff off it, it could go downhill fast |
| 15:04.59 | valdyn_ | equnix: easy way: apt-get install firestarter and use it |
| 15:05.02 | jermy | Esaj: smartmontools is good for finding out disk problems, but the output can be a little cryptic |
| 15:05.04 | peppo | now I have 'echo "bajs">/home/peppo/apa' in my GNOME volume manager setting for DVD videos -- but this is never executed. |
| 15:05.08 | LinuxGuy | is there a tool like SaX2 |
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| 15:05.24 | Esaj | paulswm: It's actually been doing this for some time now, on a particular partition that I don't use much |
| 15:05.25 | LinuxGuy | which I can use? |
| 15:05.39 | Esaj | jermy: thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 15:05.58 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: what do you need to do? |
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| 15:06.16 | Guerin | and no, debian doesn't have auto-config-manglers like LUsE has |
| 15:06.17 | LinuxGuy | I installed it as versa but I need to change it to nv |
| 15:06.18 | paulswm | Esaj: I'd back up the other partitions just in case, depending on the results of your diag tests |
| 15:06.24 | LinuxGuy | when i run: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:06.28 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:06.36 | LinuxGuy | it get laods of stuff about addresses |
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| 15:06.42 | LinuxGuy | is there no automatic way? |
| 15:06.47 | LinuxGuy | like SaX2? |
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| 15:06.48 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: what? |
| 15:06.53 | leetgirl | hi |
| 15:06.54 | equnix | thanks |
| 15:06.55 | leetgirl | ;) |
| 15:06.59 | Petro | What is the difference between x.org and xfree86 and why did Debian pick one over the other? |
| 15:07.10 | Guerin | !xorg |
| 15:07.11 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 15:07.12 | asg | Petro: /msg dpkg xorg && /msg dpkg x.org |
| 15:07.20 | Guerin | Petro: ^^ |
| 15:07.21 | Guerin | yeah |
| 15:07.22 | valdyn_ | Petro: it didnt "pick one over the other" |
| 15:07.24 | tummyacid | alright and after i edit /boot/grub/menu.lst i run grub to update it? |
| 15:07.28 | leetgirl | i havent cd rom drive ... have one way to get bootdisk and install via ethernet ? |
| 15:07.29 | asg | tummyacid: no |
| 15:07.30 | Phated | There wasn't even an xorg when Debian started. |
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| 15:07.41 | tummyacid | sorry way used to lilo |
| 15:07.44 | takatumi | tummyacid: no need to do that with grub |
| 15:07.52 | doleyb | Petro: xorg is new & alive, xfree86 is old and dead. |
| 15:07.53 | asg | tummyacid: grub reads it on boot |
| 15:07.55 | tummyacid | so its ready as soon as i change the file? |
| 15:08.06 | leetgirl | hey... |
| 15:08.08 | leetgirl | :) |
| 15:08.12 | Phated | leetgirl: /msg dpkg bf |
| 15:08.18 | asg | leetgirl: /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:08.23 | leetgirl | what is it ? |
| 15:08.26 | tummyacid | ahh so grub is better |
| 15:08.34 | Phated | <sigh> Just -read- it. |
| 15:08.34 | asg | leetgirl: the former is boot floppy, the latter is install guide |
| 15:08.44 | asg | tummyacid: not necessarily but it has some nice features |
| 15:08.54 | leetgirl | asg where can i get boot disk ? you know ? |
| 15:09.03 | LinuxGuy | GOT IT WORKING! |
| 15:09.06 | LinuxGuy | I love Debian already! |
| 15:09.08 | Phated | leetgirl: READ /msg dpkg bf and you'll get it. |
| 15:09.11 | asg | !tell leetgirl about bf |
| 15:09.40 | asg | pw: as well as the path to not getting yelled at |
| 15:09.41 | Phated | LinuxGuy: One starts to suspect, almost inevitably, that you are both Japanese, and a girl. |
| 15:09.52 | La_Tortuga | sorry, I know this sound noobish but how to mount a CDROM when I type mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /cdrom it give sback an error messange wher it stands: mount point /dev/hdX dosn't exist. |
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| 15:10.02 | leetgirl | asg i want install but i dont have cdrom drive can i get root.bin and install via ethernet ? |
| 15:10.06 | LinuxGuy | Phated: a.) I am a man |
| 15:10.11 | LinuxGuy | b.) I am from the UK |
| 15:10.14 | Phated | leetgirl: You're NOT READING! |
| 15:10.17 | LinuxGuy | c.) I was born in the C |
| 15:10.26 | takatumi | C? |
| 15:10.33 | leetgirl | Phated, ok where is the tutorial ? |
| 15:10.36 | asg | leetgirl: read the install guide, it explains it and has even been translated to your native language most likely. |
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| 15:10.46 | Phated | leetgirl: /msg dpkg bf, LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD. |
| 15:10.54 | asg | takatumi: somewhere outside of Bradford iirc |
| 15:10.56 | LinuxGuy | is synaptic installed automatically? |
| 15:11.06 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Unlikely. |
| 15:11.16 | Phated | LinuxGuy: And what's the C? |
| 15:11.20 | leetgirl | asg, where can i found the install guide ? sorry... |
| 15:11.22 | abrotman | not so leet i guess |
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| 15:11.25 | asg | !ig |
| 15:11.25 | dpkg | [ig] for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 15:11.27 | asg | leetgirl: ^^^ |
| 15:11.29 | abrotman | !tell leetgirl about ig |
| 15:11.31 | abrotman | !tell leetgirl about bf |
| 15:11.33 | abrotman | !tell leetgirl about sarge bf |
| 15:11.37 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:11.42 | LinuxGuy | c.) I am English! |
| 15:11.44 | FieldySnuts | @LOSE abrotman |
| 15:11.45 | ravenbird | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 15:11.47 | leetgirl | yo0 thanks!! |
| 15:11.59 | Phated | c.) I was born in the C <-- LinuxGuy ? |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | isn't there a link for sarge bfs? |
| 15:11.59 | mad77 | I've lost all my custum menu entries after apt-get upgrade. Any ideas |
| 15:12.06 | Phated | abrotman: Dunno. |
| 15:12.12 | LinuxGuy | C=UK |
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| 15:12.20 | LinuxGuy | what command do I use to install synaptic? |
| 15:12.22 | abrotman | leetgirl: here |
| 15:12.22 | Phated | How does C=UK? |
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| 15:12.26 | takatumi | never seen that reference before |
| 15:12.29 | FieldySnuts | Phated: user error? |
| 15:12.35 | Phated | LinuxGuy: apt-get install synaptic. Also man apt-get, man apt-cache. |
| 15:12.37 | peppo | where does dbus and hald put their messages/logs? |
| 15:12.49 | Phated | FieldySnuts: No freakin' clue. *snuggles* |
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| 15:13.07 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hug :) |
| 15:13.17 | paulswm | OK then: <whenIwasYoung> A lot of memory meant 16384 little ferrite rings in a matrix with 3 wires going though each, and "booting" meant using switches on the CPU to read the boot loader off the card reader to load the OS from magnetic tape </whenIwasYoung> |
| 15:13.24 | LinuxGuy | I get an error |
| 15:13.24 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Wheee! I got the hug! |
| 15:13.30 | mad77 | Now that I lost my menu-entries, i cant add any entries. |
| 15:13.32 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Let me guess, you're not root. |
| 15:13.38 | LinuxGuy | E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate |
| 15:13.38 | nevyn | paulswm: heh. |
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| 15:13.45 | Skiver | anyone knows how to configure sendmail.cf ?? |
| 15:13.58 | Phated | LinuxGuy: apt-get update, apt-get install synaptic. |
| 15:14.01 | malfoeForcast | Linuxguy: Apt-get update? |
| 15:14.05 | Phated | !info synaptic sarge |
| 15:14.07 | nevyn | Skiver: don't. |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | Skiver: hopefully it's a dying black magic |
| 15:14.16 | asg | paulswm: I remember paying $40 US for a 1meg simm |
| 15:14.19 | abrotman | Skiver: #sendmail |
| 15:14.21 | Phated | paulswm: Heh. |
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| 15:14.26 | nevyn | Skiver: why did you install sendmail? |
| 15:14.31 | LinuxGuy | it says: |
| 15:14.36 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.53.4-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 1407 kB, Installed size: 4092 kB |
| 15:14.39 | paulswm | nevyn: *and* getting to the computer room was uphill both ways in the snow |
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| 15:14.49 | abrotman | when i was young .. transformers were cool .. beat that! |
| 15:14.49 | nevyn | paulswm: of course it was. |
| 15:15.00 | paulswm | heh |
| 15:15.02 | Phated | abrotman: Dude, transformers were never cool. |
| 15:15.03 | asg | abrotman: more than meets the eye? |
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| 15:15.08 | mad77 | anyone know if the latest debian-unstabvle release has some kind of gnome-menu bug?! |
| 15:15.13 | abrotman | Phated: see .. you just don't know |
| 15:15.15 | asg | mad77: the bts would |
| 15:15.16 | abrotman | asg: yes .. those |
| 15:15.22 | asg | abrotman: ah, just checking |
| 15:15.23 | pw | paulswm: Feh, you're probably talking to someone who's never IPLed a machine that has a 3-phase power supply. |
| 15:15.28 | doleyb | paulswm: 10 hours ago I climbed up a mountain (in snow), then back down and now to computer room. |
| 15:15.28 | Fluten | i loaded a game on debian, and it did something strange to my resolution. it is now 800x600 on my monitor, but my desktop is still 1280x1024, but follows my mouse around where i go |
| 15:15.29 | mad77 | asg: what is the bts? |
| 15:15.29 | abrotman | Phated: when i was young .. even GoBots were cool |
| 15:15.32 | LinuxGuy | When I do apt-get uppdate |
| 15:15.35 | asg | mad77: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:15.36 | Phated | abrotman: Good lord. |
| 15:15.36 | Fluten | is there a keystroke to set it back without restarting x? |
| 15:15.44 | nevyn | pw: IPLed? |
| 15:15.45 | spl0it | good morning everyone... does anyone have any suggestions for the following.. I'm trying to install baldurs gate 2.. and I get an IKernel.exe hang with wine (as soon as the setup.exe starts to work) I've tried grabbing a copy of IKernel.exe off a friend and putting it in the directory where the install is looking, but no matter what I've tried it just hangs when the wine window opens ... any ideas or suggestions? |
| 15:15.46 | paulswm | pw: I'm sure |
| 15:15.48 | drasko | how to fix a package? apt-get -f and what? |
| 15:15.51 | doleyb | Fluten: Control-Alt-NumPadPlus |
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| 15:15.55 | asg | spl0it: try #winehq |
| 15:15.55 | henri_ | hello |
| 15:15.56 | Phated | Fluten: Try Ctrl-Alt-Plus. |
| 15:15.59 | abrotman | spl0it: #winehq |
| 15:16.08 | LinuxGuy | I get a long list of urls like http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 15:16.09 | pw | nevyn: Initial Program Load. |
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| 15:16.16 | asg | drasko: apt-get -f install |
| 15:16.18 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Great! |
| 15:16.18 | henri_ | finally got my debian install working fine; but now there's still one problem |
| 15:16.18 | pw | It's what you do to Proper Computers to start them up. |
| 15:16.22 | nevyn | oh. duh. |
| 15:16.25 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Why are you complaining, then? |
| 15:16.25 | Fluten | doleyb, thanks, that seems to have fixed it |
| 15:16.27 | ericb | spl0it I really don't know but your question was well formulated, thanks for taking the time to ask a well-formed question |
| 15:16.32 | LinuxGuy | It can't find synaptic |
| 15:16.33 | henri_ | x starts ok, but at 800x600, and i want 1280x1024 |
| 15:16.36 | drasko | asg: just that? no pkg name after? |
| 15:16.42 | henri_ | however it won't let me go higher than 800x600 |
| 15:16.43 | asg | drasko: no |
| 15:16.45 | Phated | LinuxGuy: Wrong. It can. Apt-get install synaptic. |
| 15:16.46 | malfoeForcast | LinuxGuy: it's updating the apt-get package lists |
| 15:16.47 | Skiver | nevyn : recommendations ? |
| 15:16.47 | Skiver | i always get errors during bootup when initializing sendmail |
| 15:16.48 | doleyb | Fluten: make sure the plus on your numpad (far far right), not the other plus |
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| 15:16.49 | doleyb | Fluten: also, probably "xrandr -s 0" will reset it. |
| 15:16.49 | asg | drasko: just that (at least for starters) |
| 15:16.49 | Skiver | it says " Error in generating sendmail.cf" |
| 15:16.52 | henri_ | i have an nvidia fx5200 card |
| 15:17.01 | Phated | LinuxGuy: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read the apt-get howto. |
| 15:17.01 | henri_ | and it's using 'nv' |
| 15:17.06 | dan2 | asg: YO! |
| 15:17.06 | LinuxGuy | E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate |
| 15:17.07 | TheAsp | skiesfalling: why do you have sendmail? |
| 15:17.07 | Phated | Rather, the apt howto. |
| 15:17.09 | nevyn | Skiver: if the load is light.. exim |
| 15:17.10 | drasko | asg: tnx |
| 15:17.10 | asg | Skiver: why did you install sendmail? |
| 15:17.12 | asg | drasko: hiya |
| 15:17.13 | henri_ | anyone got any idea what i can do about this? |
| 15:17.14 | asg | drasko: oops |
| 15:17.16 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 15:17.16 | nevyn | Skiver: if not. courier or postfix |
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| 15:17.32 | TheAsp | henri: set your monitor settings properly |
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| 15:17.41 | henri_ | TheAsp: how do i do that? |
| 15:17.41 | spl0it | ericb: okay thanks, and I appreciate your kindness in being an asshole as well |
| 15:17.43 | Fluten | henri_, compile the nvidia drivers? |
| 15:17.43 | hail04 | ok ive just frigged around with mysql and blocked myself out from acessing configuration via webmin or phpmyadmin I think...DBI connect failed : Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mysql' |
| 15:17.48 | spl0it | abrotman thx |
| 15:17.48 | nevyn | Skiver: sendmail is icky. |
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| 15:17.58 | TheAsp | henri: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:18.07 | Skiver | nevyn : the sarge net-install includes exim4 as mta |
| 15:18.08 | paulswm | Phated: try to understand what it's like getting from there to now in only 30 years. I wonder what the world will look like when you're where us geezers am now. |
| 15:18.09 | nevyn | Skiver: it is very flexible. but it's also very very icky. |
| 15:18.14 | LinuxGuy | Package synpatic is not available, but is referred to by another pakage. This may mean the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 15:18.17 | nevyn | Skiver: I know. |
| 15:18.19 | asg | hail04: can you access it from the mysql cli utility? |
| 15:18.19 | drasko | asg: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:18.19 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.19 | drasko | E: Broken packages |
| 15:18.20 | LinuxGuy | that is the error I get |
| 15:18.21 | Phated | paulswm: Sounds like fun. |
| 15:18.21 | paulswm | s/am/are/ |
| 15:18.21 | henri_ | tried that, but it asks me all kinds of stuff i dont want to reconfigure :P |
| 15:18.23 | TheAsp | henri: you may have to run dexconf after to get it to write it, though i could be wrong about that |
| 15:18.27 | abrotman | paulswm: nuclear winter |
| 15:18.27 | nevyn | Skiver: why did you change to sendmail? |
| 15:18.32 | Skiver | nevyn : i'm wondering what happens if my machine doesn't have one ? |
| 15:18.33 | asg | drasko: what debian are you running? |
| 15:18.34 | LinuxGuy | any ideas? |
| 15:18.41 | ericb | spl0it : I'm not an asshole I just don't use wine |
| 15:18.43 | psywar | where's the apt-get howto? |
| 15:18.43 | Fluten | henri_, vim /etc/X11/XF86-Config4 |
| 15:18.45 | nevyn | Skiver: the room explodes. |
| 15:18.47 | abrotman | ericb: he's gone |
| 15:18.52 | henri_ | ok i'll try that fluten |
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| 15:19.04 | hail04 | asg I would not have the darndest really what that is or how to go about fixing it...im quite new to installing it all myself |
| 15:19.04 | henri_ | one more question.. why can't i apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common? |
| 15:19.05 | valdyn_ | !info synaptic sarge |
| 15:19.06 | Fluten | henri_, and make it look like this Driver "nvidia" |
| 15:19.10 | dpkg | synaptic: (Graphical package manager), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.53.4-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 1407 kB, Installed size: 4092 kB |
| 15:19.12 | Fluten | henri_, if that's what you're wanting to do |
| 15:19.13 | nevyn | Skiver: nah nothing too bad. I still think it should have one. but you can install a simple MTA that doesn't do much |
| 15:19.15 | paulswm | abrotman: I hope not, but it is more of a possibility than during the cold war, that's for sure |
| 15:19.16 | abrotman | apt-get update;apt-get install synaptic |
| 15:19.17 | psywar | why is it not under "documentation" on the debian site? |
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| 15:19.19 | ericb | abrotman : ... too late... |
| 15:19.31 | malfoeForcast | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.33 | asg | hail04: well, have you asked in #mysql? |
| 15:19.33 | nevyn | Skiver: cron and at's mail doesn't get delivered and they whinge about it. |
| 15:19.37 | drasko | asg: Progeny 2.0 de |
| 15:19.40 | LinuxGuy | do I need to add some sources to sources.list? |
| 15:19.42 | asg | drasko: :/ |
| 15:19.43 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate toresbe |
| 15:19.44 | ravenbird | !irritate toresbe |
| 15:19.45 | dpkg | toresbe: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde !!!1 |
| 15:19.48 | drasko | asg: ? |
| 15:19.49 | asg | drasko: try #progeny |
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| 15:19.54 | abrotman | !tell LinuxGuy about woody->sarge |
| 15:20.00 | henri_ | does the base install from the netinst cd RC2 include the nvidia drivers? |
| 15:20.01 | drasko | asg: ok, thanks |
| 15:20.02 | LinuxGuy | I am using Sarge |
| 15:20.04 | asg | drasko: or their mailing lists |
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| 15:20.07 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 15:20.15 | psywar | ah, the apt howto is not under howtos, but rather manuals |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | apt-get update;apt-get install synaptic |
| 15:20.26 | nevyn | is there a migration path from ubuntu warty -> sid? |
| 15:20.30 | asg | drasko: while progeny is based on debian, it has packages we don't or can't support here. |
| 15:20.31 | Phated | nevyn: No. |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | nevyn: sure .. but it won't be Debian or sid |
| 15:20.40 | asg | nevyn: remove warty ; install sarge ; dist-upgrade ? |
| 15:20.54 | nevyn | asg: yeah probably will do that. |
| 15:21.05 | asg | nevyn: bob2 might know if one |
| 15:21.07 | LinuxGuy | How do I reconfigure my network |
| 15:21.12 | LinuxGuy | to a static ip? |
| 15:21.12 | nevyn | I've played with it for a few days now. probably should go back to sid. |
| 15:21.12 | ericb | anyone here thinks courier filts into 1 mb or ram ?? |
| 15:21.18 | abrotman | etherconf |
| 15:21.26 | abrotman | i'm not sure what one has to do with the other .. |
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| 15:21.57 | resiak | LinuxGuy: man interfaces |
| 15:21.59 | paulswm | nevyn: so what was your opinion, having played with it, just curious |
| 15:22.02 | jermy | LinuxGuy: Or edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:22.18 | valdyn_ | !faq LinuxGuy |
| 15:22.18 | dpkg | LinuxGuy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:22.21 | abrotman | i didn't think it was a good idea for him to use an editor |
| 15:22.31 | nevyn | paulswm: it's allright. |
| 15:22.38 | resiak | jermy: Uh, he should probably know what the editing involves first. |
| 15:22.43 | Phated | abrotman: He has KDE already. |
| 15:22.44 | mad77 | asg: thanks for informing, why sometimes one shouldn't use sid. But right now id rather need a faq about debian gnome-menus |
| 15:22.45 | abrotman | paulswm: the liveCD is good .. IMO |
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| 15:23.00 | abrotman | Phated: oh .. obviously an idiot then :) |
| 15:23.08 | henri_ | Gokee2: i changed the 'nv' in the XF86config-4 file to 'nvidia' and now my x won't start anymore? |
| 15:23.08 | nevyn | paulswm: I'm more of a kde person at heart than a gnome person. |
| 15:23.15 | nevyn | the desktop seems kinda spartan. |
| 15:23.21 | Phated | abrotman: Nah, we decided he was too much of an idiot to give him something minimal. |
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| 15:23.31 | nevyn | startup time is abismal. |
| 15:23.38 | mad77 | Anyone know how debian gnome menus are supposed to work or where to get more information about it? |
| 15:23.49 | paulswm | nevyn: the opposite here, prefer gnome |
| 15:23.50 | jermy | resiak: Well true. Although testing copies of the file seem to be quite well documented |
| 15:23.51 | nevyn | on a K6-2 500 with 256MB/ram |
| 15:23.53 | abrotman | mad77: install menu |
| 15:24.00 | resiak | jermy: Yeah, but that's really not the point. |
| 15:24.10 | abrotman | mad77: and ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org if you've a more specific question |
| 15:24.10 | jermy | :) |
| 15:24.11 | malfoeForcast | gnome menu's www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.0/ch05s05.html |
| 15:24.18 | resiak | nevyn: The _gnome_ startup time is abysmal? |
| 15:24.18 | nevyn | paulswm: it just seems kinda. featureless. spartan I think is the right word. |
| 15:24.21 | paulswm | Phated: that's funny |
| 15:24.27 | nevyn | resiak: no. the system startup time. |
| 15:24.28 | Phated | paulswm: Hmmmm? |
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| 15:24.37 | mad77 | madt: what does "install menu" mean? |
| 15:24.44 | paulswm | Phated: abrotman: Nah, we decided he was too much of an idiot to give him something minimal. |
| 15:24.47 | malfoeForcast | mad77:www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.0/ch05s05.html |
| 15:24.48 | resiak | nevyn: Oh, yeah. I have a K6-2 400 with 192MB of ram. So I win ;) |
| 15:24.50 | henri_ | sorry for asking this again, but anyone here got a clou how i get x to use my nvidia 5200 correctly? |
| 15:24.50 | mad77 | abrotman: what does "install menu" mean? |
| 15:24.58 | LinuxGuy | got synaptic working |
| 15:24.58 | abrotman | !menu |
| 15:24.58 | dpkg | hmm... menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 15:25.02 | henri_ | i have tried apt-get nvidia-kernel-common --> to no avail |
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| 15:25.04 | LinuxGuy | had to add some more sources |
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| 15:25.09 | abrotman | mad77: see? |
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| 15:25.16 | abrotman | oh .. i bet this will be bad |
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| 15:25.20 | Phated | paulswm: You -know- he would have come back with "how do I get a menu" with something like Openbox. |
| 15:25.28 | resiak | nevyn: However: 15:25:10 up 110 days, 20:57 is how I get around that. |
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| 15:25.30 | mad77 | thanks, going to have a look at it |
| 15:25.37 | henri_ | also i tried the nvidia official install, it wants me to compile a kernel first, which i rather wou;dnt |
| 15:25.48 | paulswm | Phated: yes, I understand perfectly, I just thought that you put it very well |
| 15:25.49 | nevyn | resiak: I think my hardware is a little flakey |
| 15:25.50 | takatumi | henri_: try /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:25.54 | spl0it | incase anyone has similar problems with wine: (IKernel.exe hanging) you need to get Distributed Component Object Model (DCOM) for Windows 98 v1.3 :P |
| 15:25.57 | Phated | paulswm: Why thank you. |
| 15:26.03 | nevyn | resiak: random applications keep dying. |
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| 15:26.41 | abrotman | spl0it: but isn't that what #winehq is for? |
| 15:26.44 | resiak | nevyn: Yeha, that's A Bad Thing. :) |
| 15:26.49 | henri_ | takatumi: thanks.. now to write that down :) |
| 15:26.52 | LinuxGuy | so i think i might go with postfix then |
| 15:26.59 | hail04 | asg I fixed my problem...didnt know where to look but a mate told me to look in webmin config |
| 15:26.59 | LinuxGuy | and maybee add OPEN-XCHANGE |
| 15:27.07 | gilles | Is it possible to edit files that are on a distant computer with bluefish ? |
| 15:27.09 | hail04 | just a de-link with webmin and the server |
| 15:27.10 | asg | hail04: ah, okay |
| 15:27.13 | hail04 | :) |
| 15:27.16 | dan2 | asg: whats up |
| 15:27.21 | resiak | gilles: One way is to copy them, edit them, put them back. |
| 15:27.34 | Skiver | nevyn : why does it take so long to load exim4 ? |
| 15:27.36 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 15:27.38 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 15:27.38 | spl0it | abrotman: no1 helpme in there, and there's a larger group of ppl here that chances are tthat info may help one of them :p |
| 15:27.38 | hail04 | im gunna get some much needed rest now cyas all |
| 15:27.42 | abrotman | !no1 |
| 15:27.43 | asg | dan2: not much, having fun watching the local news investigate a frozen puddle on the side of the road (I live living in the South) |
| 15:27.50 | resiak | gilles: gnome-vfs might let you edit them over sftp (like KDE's ioslaves do) but it's probably easier to just copy them. |
| 15:27.54 | asg | s/live li/love li/ |
| 15:28.02 | abrotman | spl0it: not really .. we send wine problems to #winehq or google |
| 15:28.15 | resiak | !cya |
| 15:28.15 | dpkg | from memory, cya is Cover Your Ass, or l33tspeak for "see you" |
| 15:28.16 | spl0it | well whatever, just trying to be nice |
| 15:28.18 | nevyn | Skiver: ? |
| 15:28.27 | LinuxGuy | how do I configure a service to start on boot? |
| 15:28.35 | resiak | LinuxGuy: man update-rc.d |
| 15:28.40 | abrotman | must .. stop .. the pain |
| 15:28.48 | resiak | abrotman: Which pain?> |
| 15:28.48 | Xemacs | << want to move /var to another partio, is "cp -a /var/ newdir, mv /var /var.save, ln -s newdir /var" safe , do i need single user mode ? |
| 15:28.51 | asg | abrotman: have a drink, it helps |
| 15:28.56 | abrotman | asg: none here |
| 15:29.03 | abrotman | resiak: which do you think? |
| 15:29.03 | gilles | resiak: what's the port number for sftp ? |
| 15:29.04 | asg | Xemacs: it is advisable |
| 15:29.19 | asg | Xemacs: and restart sysklogd and klogd afterwards |
| 15:29.27 | resiak | gilles: 22, same as for ssh. |
| 15:29.28 | asg | abrotman: you need to plan ahead |
| 15:29.31 | Xemacs | asg, thnx |
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| 15:29.42 | abrotman | asg: it snowed!! |
| 15:29.43 | gilles | resiak: okay, thanks! |
| 15:29.48 | resiak | !win abrotman |
| 15:29.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:29.52 | asg | abrotman: yes, you had a few days advanced notice |
| 15:29.54 | paulswm | LinuxGuy: man init, man inittab |
| 15:30.05 | abrotman | asg: bah .. it's my fault ... |
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| 15:30.20 | asg | abrotman: still, I'm sure there is something open within walking distance. |
| 15:30.22 | paulswm | oh yeah and update-rc.d like resiak said |
| 15:30.33 | henri_ | ok the apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source doesnt work |
| 15:30.38 | henri_ | so the one-line doesnt work |
| 15:30.40 | abrotman | asg: about a mile ... long way to walk with a case of beer |
| 15:30.56 | asg | abrotman: then bring a sled, load up, and pull it back |
| 15:31.00 | MobyTurbo | !doesn't work |
| 15:31.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 15:31.04 | abrotman | asg: how about i drive? |
| 15:31.10 | abrotman | asg: oh crap .. it's sunday |
| 15:31.17 | asg | abrotman: true |
| 15:31.21 | henri_ | it simply sais: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:31.22 | abrotman | asg: i don't know where to buy on a sunday |
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| 15:31.46 | asg | abrotman: do the PA blue laws prohibit all sales on Sunday or only those before 12pm ? |
| 15:32.00 | Bog_ | after a basic install of debian, I notice 6/udp is listening... what is this? |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | asg: places that don't serve food can't serve alcohol iirc .. though .. i think some liquor stores are open now |
| 15:32.14 | asg | Bog_: grep 6 /etc/services |
| 15:32.22 | Bog_ | k |
| 15:32.27 | jermy | henri_: You might need to check if you're getting non-free packages |
| 15:32.33 | abrotman | asg: we have all kinds of horrible laws regarding beer/wine/liquor |
| 15:32.41 | takatumi | henri_: did you read the last part of that factoid? (contrib and non-free) |
| 15:32.43 | henri_ | jermy: what do i need to add to my sources.list to get non-free packages? |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 15:32.52 | dpkg | i guess non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:33.05 | asg | Bog_: or fuser -v 6/udp |
| 15:33.21 | asg | abrotman: how barbaric |
| 15:33.21 | jose | oh dear |
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| 15:33.33 | jermy | henri_: I have 'deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' |
| 15:33.47 | PX | hello |
| 15:34.11 | jermy | hello PX |
| 15:34.11 | abrotman | asg: we have beer distributors .. only place to really buy a case of beer .. you can buy by the 6pack at bars .. . it's a pain |
| 15:34.11 | Bog_ | asg: neither say what it is |
| 15:34.11 | henri_ | i'm using the sarge netinst cd, so that would be deb http://<adress> testing main contrib non-free for me? |
| 15:34.11 | PX | got a question about bind-libs. cant find it in the apt-cache, and on google only finding some fedora and suse shit |
| 15:34.11 | jose | is this a sunday session or a debian chat line |
| 15:34.11 | PX | u guys know how i can install this? |
| 15:34.15 | takatumi | henri_: right. |
| 15:34.17 | asg | Bog_: does the latter say anything else when you run it as root? |
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| 15:34.22 | Bog_ | nope |
| 15:34.25 | jermy | resiak: Probably not, but I just happened to be logged onto quite an old machine :) |
| 15:34.27 | tummyacid | awesome now i have plenty of room |
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| 15:34.35 | resiak | jermy: I suspect that they're not in there. |
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| 15:34.51 | resiak | !info nvidia-glx woody |
| 15:34.55 | asg | PX: libbind-dev |
| 15:35.17 | Bog_ | asg: is it running on your system? |
| 15:35.20 | PX | wo0t, thx asg |
| 15:35.32 | asg | Bog_: no, what command did you run that said it was? |
| 15:35.42 | Bog_ | asg: netstat -an |
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| 15:35.59 | asg | Bog_: paste the single line that command output |
| 15:36.12 | Bog_ | it output many lines |
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| 15:36.20 | asg | Bog_: just the one that mentioned 6/udp |
| 15:36.21 | jermy | henri_: Anyway, you just need to add 'non-free' onto the end of your main testing or unstable deb line |
| 15:36.22 | resiak | jermy: They're not there. |
| 15:36.31 | FieldySnuts | @fuck non-free |
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| 15:36.50 | henri_ | jermy: i did that, to no avail |
| 15:36.53 | gilles | what software can i use to get connected to the internet via the phone line ? (on gnome if possible) |
| 15:36.53 | Bog_ | asg: unfortunately, I have bed running in VM.. I cant copy and paste it |
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| 15:36.59 | jermy | henri_: apt-get updated? |
| 15:37.02 | henri_ | it sais: nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 15:37.03 | asg | Bog_: can you type it out then? |
| 15:37.10 | resiak | henri_: Are you on Woody? |
| 15:37.14 | henri_ | no sarge |
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| 15:37.21 | paulswm | gilles: ppp |
| 15:37.23 | resiak | !info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 15:37.27 | Bog_ | asg: oops.. its RAW not UDP :) |
| 15:37.32 | henri_ | !info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 15:37.32 | resiak | Oh, that's odd. |
| 15:37.35 | asg | Bog_: ah |
| 15:37.37 | Bog_ | asg: sorry |
| 15:37.38 | tummyacid | how can i use apt-get to install x |
| 15:37.41 | PX | i installed libbind-dev. but it doenst seem to help, still getting this error: |
| 15:37.41 | PX | error while loading shared libraries: libdns.so.16: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:37.44 | resiak | !faq tummyacid |
| 15:37.44 | dpkg | tummyacid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:37.59 | PX | tho i have these: |
| 15:38.03 | Bog_ | tummy: can apt-get be used to install x? |
| 15:38.07 | PX | /usr/lib/libdns.so.5 |
| 15:38.08 | PX | /usr/lib/libdns.so.5.3.0 |
| 15:38.10 | asg | PX: try libdns16 |
| 15:38.16 | PX | oki |
| 15:38.18 | jermy | henri_: Seems to exist on my various testing and unstable boxes |
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| 15:38.32 | PX | E: Couldn't find package libdns16 |
| 15:38.35 | peppo | my PS/2 mouse stopped working after I removed magicdev. |
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| 15:38.48 | henri_ | jermy: i just added 'non-free' to the line where it sais 'testing main' in my sources.list |
| 15:38.52 | peppo | now I have to connect it via USB. it's detected, but I don't know to set it up in X! |
| 15:38.53 | henri_ | then i did an apt-get update |
| 15:38.56 | PX | apt-cache search doesnt give anything either asg |
| 15:39.00 | asg | PX: then you are trying to install something that relies on a sarge or sid package. |
| 15:39.11 | asg | PX: what debian are you running, what did you install that causes this error? |
| 15:39.16 | jermy | henri_: And then nothing? Odd |
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| 15:39.28 | PX | asg: trying to run an eggdrop |
| 15:39.31 | henri_ | if i do apt-cache search nvidia |grep source --> nothing |
| 15:39.34 | resiak | henri_: Did you add contrib, out of interest? |
| 15:39.38 | PX | asg: fresh install of debian |
| 15:39.38 | asg | PX: did you download the source or apt-get install it? |
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| 15:39.43 | henri_ | it was already there resiak |
| 15:39.46 | resiak | henri_: Oh. |
| 15:40.23 | PX | asg: of the eggdrop? i just pasted my old bot in, via ftp |
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| 15:40.23 | asg | PX: also, which debian version? woody or sarge. |
| 15:40.23 | resiak | henri_: That's weird, it's there on mine... |
| 15:40.23 | LinuxGuy | actually |
| 15:40.23 | henri_ | maybe my mirror doesn't have it for some reason? |
| 15:40.23 | LinuxGuy | has anybody tried Qmailrocks with Debian |
| 15:40.24 | PX | asg: eh, how do i check? box has been remotely installed |
| 15:40.26 | zelevw | how can I tell what version QT do I have in my system? |
| 15:40.30 | LinuxGuy | it seems to be very fully featured! |
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| 15:40.34 | asg | PX: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:40.35 | jermy | henri_: Which mirror are you using? |
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| 15:40.41 | paulswm | resiak: it's not in the testing package list, I can confirm what henri_ says |
| 15:40.44 | PX | asg: 3.0 |
| 15:40.49 | asg | PX: also, what version of libc6 is installed (dpkg -l libc6) |
| 15:41.02 | PX | asg: ii libc6 2.2.5-11.8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 15:41.12 | asg | PX: okay, woody it is then |
| 15:41.27 | PX | asg: thats a good thing? |
| 15:41.35 | asg | PX: that's debian's stable release. |
| 15:41.39 | henri_ | the first in my sources.list is: deb ftp://ftp.debian.nl/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 15:41.41 | Bog_ | I've just installed NESSUSD and run it but I dont see anything running on port 1241 .. any suggestions? |
| 15:41.50 | PX | asg: ah, stable is good :) |
| 15:41.57 | resiak | paulswm: Oh, of course I have unstable sources on here. |
| 15:41.57 | paulswm | stable, but older than dirt |
| 15:41.57 | asg | PX: the stable eggdrop that comes with woody is: |
| 15:41.58 | asg | !info eggdrop woody |
| 15:42.00 | dpkg | eggdrop: (Advanced IRC Robot), section net, is extra. Version: 1.6.8-2 (woody), Packaged size: 653 kB, Installed size: 2124 kB |
| 15:42.02 | asg | PX: ^^^^ |
| 15:42.08 | paulswm | !beat resiak for not saying that before |
| 15:42.11 | paulswm | heh |
| 15:42.15 | resiak | paulswm: I'd forgotten! |
| 15:42.23 | resiak | paulswm: They've only been there for like two days. |
| 15:42.25 | Guerin | mmm, i love pedro ximénez |
| 15:42.27 | PX | asg: where does debian install the eggdrop to? new user or what? |
| 15:42.46 | asg | PX: after installation, a dpkg -L <pkg> will show all installed files. |
| 15:42.52 | LinuxGuy | This looks gud: http://www.delouw.ch/linux/Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO/html/index.html |
| 15:42.55 | PX | asg: oki thx alot |
| 15:43.05 | henri_ | so if i understand paulswm there simply is no nvidia-kernel-source package for testing.. so i need to install the official nvidia release? meaning i have to compile a new kernel? |
| 15:43.08 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: jesus, are you still looking? |
| 15:43.12 | asg | Bog_: it probably doesn't listen on an external port by default, only localhost. |
| 15:43.13 | LinuxGuy | sorry |
| 15:43.15 | LinuxGuy | ;-) |
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| 15:43.24 | asg | Bog_: check /usr/share/doc/nessus*/* |
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| 15:43.39 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: just use the workaround howto - it's excellent, well-documented, and the author is a reg in #postfix |
| 15:43.49 | LinuxGuy | This HOWTO includes web admin |
| 15:43.56 | LinuxGuy | for cyrus |
| 15:44.01 | Guerin | LinuxGuy: webadmin is a trivial addon |
| 15:44.10 | Bog_ | asg: thanks |
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| 15:44.53 | zelevw_ | how can I tell what version QT my system? |
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| 15:44.58 | henri_ | can anyone confirm this? only way to use nvidia card on testing is by installing nvidia drivers through nvidia install ? |
| 15:45.03 | annoia | I have a soundblaster Live! 1024 soundcard which I'm using with alsa. I'm trying to get mplayer to output S/PDIF through my digital port, but when I try I get the error: "alsa-init: playback open error: No such device"... Any idea what could be wrong? It works if I don't ask for S/PDIF (hwac3). |
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| 15:45.30 | shivan187 | hello. |
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| 15:46.06 | Guerin | zelevw_: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |grep qt |
| 15:46.07 | asg | henri_: no, you can use an nvidia card with the standard X nv driver (for 2d only, no 3d) |
| 15:46.24 | resiak | henri_: Or use unstable sources for nvidia and nvidia alone. |
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| 15:46.49 | zelevw_ | Guerin: thanks |
| 15:46.53 | henri_ | resiak: i think i solved it |
| 15:47.00 | nvz | I dont feel so hot this morning |
| 15:47.11 | henri_ | i can do an apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 15:47.40 | henri_ | and i got an alternative mirror which has compiled modules for testing kernel |
| 15:47.48 | Guerin | eew, breakfaste tacos/burritos are horrible |
| 15:48.00 | shivan187 | ne1 here up on oss vs alsa and kernel modules? |
| 15:48.02 | LinuxGuy | got to go |
| 15:48.05 | asg | Guerin: I was endeavoring to get him to purge what he had that was making him green |
| 15:48.08 | LinuxGuy | see everyone later |
| 15:48.08 | paulswm | Guerin: that's prolly why he gave him one |
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| 15:48.10 | asg | Guerin: the bb was a good way to go |
| 15:48.21 | Skiver | can chmod og+rw be applied on a directory and its subdirectories & files ? |
| 15:48.27 | jermy | shivan187: All I know is that they're all a bit of a pain. Sorry |
| 15:48.32 | Guerin | my flatmate from Texas used to swear by them ... bacon, eggs, guacamole, salsa, maple syrup.... in a taco... wtf? |
| 15:48.43 | asg | Skiver: with the '-R' option (man chmod) |
| 15:48.43 | Guerin | asg: fair play. |
| 15:48.45 | jermy | Skiver: Do -R |
| 15:48.55 | ecade | hello everybody |
| 15:49.04 | shivan187 | jermy u know how to change which mods are loaded on boot? bit of a n00b |
| 15:49.12 | jermy | /etc/modules |
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| 15:49.16 | asg | paulswm: I'm sure he would appreciate that :) |
| 15:49.49 | paulswm | asg: I know, it's funny how someone being a bit under the weather brings out the worst in people |
| 15:49.59 | jermy | shivan187: It should be a list of modules to automatically modprobe at boot time |
| 15:50.16 | shivan187 | is it just modules or modules.conf |
| 15:50.21 | asg | paulswm: one sheltenack's juppleberry shrub is a more mauvy shade of pink russet </dna> |
| 15:50.21 | jermy | just modules |
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| 15:50.40 | asg | s/pink/pinky/ |
| 15:50.48 | jermy | modules.conf does some other stuff - ie. It tries to load modules when a particular piece of hardware is used |
| 15:50.52 | shivan187 | I need to remove the oss mod and replace with alsa and for some reason I'm getting a message about hardware abstraction layer |
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| 15:50.59 | jermy | but 'man modules.conf' will know more than I do about that |
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| 15:51.59 | asg | Guerin: 86 the eggs and syrup and that taco doesn't sound bad |
| 15:52.02 | paulswm | asg: that's Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's? |
| 15:52.11 | jermy | shivan187: Hrm. Yes - it probably is something in modules.conf that's causing that, but I tried to stay away from audio issues where possible. Sorry |
| 15:52.27 | asg | paulswm: yes, or Life the Universe and Everything (trans. the grass is always greener on the other side.) |
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| 15:52.40 | nvz | I can taste the burrito on my breath.. and I didnt even eat one.. |
| 15:52.41 | paulswm | asg: yes I remember |
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| 15:52.52 | nvz | last thing I ate was ice cream cake, last night |
| 15:53.02 | shivan187 | ok... at least I know where to look now..... |
| 15:53.10 | asg | nvz: at least we didn't suggest #6 on the scratch and sniff pad in Leather Goddesses of Phobos. |
| 15:53.14 | paulswm | prolly a bug going round |
| 15:53.26 | Guerin | asg: yeah... they were scrambled eggs, too. |
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| 15:53.34 | Guerin | asg: without them, it wasn't too bad |
| 15:53.35 | takatumi | shivan187: try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo#head-dfebbfb0a807fb25f04c4f74a46d73b7a19bc3b0 |
| 15:53.35 | Guerin | oh |
| 15:53.43 | Guerin | and banana on the damn taco as well |
| 15:53.45 | Guerin | eew |
| 15:53.46 | asg | Guerin: ewww |
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| 15:53.57 | paulswm | nvz: just remember to disinfect any drinking water or ice with alcohol |
| 15:54.07 | shivan187 | takatumi: thx for tha link. |
| 15:54.07 | Guerin | !paulswm++ |
| 15:54.20 | paulswm | woohoo, karma |
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| 15:54.25 | asg | !karma paulswm |
| 15:54.25 | dpkg | paulswm has karma of 4 |
| 15:54.30 | asg | !karma asg |
| 15:54.30 | dpkg | asg has karma of 4 |
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| 15:55.07 | malfoeForcast | !karma malfoeForecast |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | malfoeforecast has neutral karma |
| 15:55.22 | paulswm | !karma Phated |
| 15:55.23 | dpkg | phated has karma of 9 |
| 15:55.31 | paulswm | wow, the kid has 9 |
| 15:55.34 | Phated | :) |
| 15:55.43 | Guerin | she's alll full of helpfulness |
| 15:55.47 | asg | see, karma was broken for a year and a 1/2 |
| 15:55.48 | malfoeForcast | I feel so inadequete |
| 15:55.49 | Phated | Yeah -right-. |
| 15:55.51 | malfoeForcast | :) |
| 15:55.55 | fors | !karma forcemstr |
| 15:55.55 | dpkg | forcemstr has neutral karma |
| 15:55.57 | fors | !karma fors |
| 15:55.58 | dpkg | fors has neutral karma |
| 15:56.15 | Guerin | before they turned it back on again, greycat had a karma of 48 |
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| 15:56.22 | Phated | He has like 90 now. |
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| 15:56.25 | asg | Guerin: he still does, I just never got mine |
| 15:56.26 | Phated | !karma greycat |
| 15:56.26 | dpkg | greycat has karma of 48 |
| 15:56.31 | Guerin | oh, maybe it didn't reset |
| 15:56.32 | Phated | Hmmmm. |
| 15:56.33 | henri_ | finally :) |
| 15:56.35 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 15:56.51 | eNTi | can someone explain to me, how the "kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8" package _should_ be incoporated into the actual kernel? i guess, i shouldn't patch it all by hand, should i? |
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| 15:57.07 | henri_ | i could apt-get nvidia-kernel-common, and apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.1-386 (or something like that) |
| 15:57.16 | gilles | what to do to prevent the x-server to be launched when linux is starting ? |
| 15:57.18 | henri_ | i recon now i got the driver, but only need to tell x it's there, right? |
| 15:57.19 | forcemstr | hu? |
| 15:57.22 | forcemstr | I am neutral? |
| 15:57.24 | asg | gilles: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:57.28 | paulswm | we could like subtract some :> |
| 15:57.28 | Phated | gilles: Not install a dm. |
| 15:57.29 | forcemstr | why is that? |
| 15:57.29 | valdyn_ | eNTi: debians kernel images or kernel sources are already patched with that |
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| 15:57.32 | asg | forcemstr: if nobody gave you karma, yes |
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| 15:57.37 | Phated | forcemstr: Why not? |
| 15:57.39 | forcemstr | ah well I don't care |
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| 15:57.59 | ResPiDeR | my apt-get update stops at "61% [Waiting for headers]" .. what can this be? |
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| 15:58.08 | jermy | gilles: Easiest thing is to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager to something like /dev/null |
| 15:58.12 | paulswm | !karma mwilson |
| 15:58.12 | dpkg | mwilson has karma of 2 |
| 15:58.14 | zeeble | maybe one of your mirrors is slow. |
| 15:58.22 | eNTi | valdyn_: ok. thx. |
| 15:58.23 | asg | ResPiDeR: teh Interweb is broken. CTRL+C and restart |
| 15:58.26 | Ringo999 | ok. next problem. i just installed debian. i got a cordless logitech keyboard. keyboard works until login screen comes up. What can I do? |
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| 15:58.43 | ResPiDeR | asg: this problem is keeping since yesterday |
| 15:59.01 | asg | ResPiDeR: it is trying to hit a mirror that is down, just keep trying until it works |
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| 15:59.09 | paulswm | ResPiDeR: kill it (ctrl-c) and run it again |
| 15:59.18 | Ringo999 | any idea anyone? |
| 15:59.20 | zeeble | or use apt-spy and choose a nearer faster mirror. |
| 15:59.30 | ResPiDeR | paulswm: it keeps stoping at 61% |
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| 15:59.33 | dkcsnake | hi |
| 15:59.33 | ResPiDeR | any good mirror up? |
| 15:59.37 | dkcsnake | can someone help me :( |
| 15:59.52 | asg | dkcsnake: our mind reading caps are in the shop. Can you tell us what the problem is? |
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| 16:00.01 | jermy | Ringo999: Well, you might need to find a PS/2 keyboard to configure it first |
| 16:00.09 | dkcsnake | my problem is i got debian 3.1 and i cant install mono |
| 16:00.14 | takatumi | Ringo999: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or manually fix your keyboard related stuff in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 16:00.26 | paulswm | definitely Sunday, no doubt about that |
| 16:00.33 | jermy | Ringo999: Is this just X, or everything? |
| 16:00.37 | Ringo999 | hmm...i guess i will boot in safe mode |
| 16:00.38 | dkcsnake | neither the packages on the website working nor the real Debian site with the linnks for Sources |
| 16:00.48 | Ringo999 | ahhmmm just x |
| 16:00.53 | jermy | ah, ok |
| 16:00.54 | Ringo999 | works fine on the shell |
| 16:01.09 | jermy | yeah - what takatumi said, then |
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| 16:01.26 | Ringo999 | ok i will give it a sht |
| 16:01.28 | Ringo999 | *shot |
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| 16:01.31 | abrotman | shit? |
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| 16:02.05 | jermy | dkcsnake: Is that an error? |
| 16:02.09 | saerdna | how do i remove an apt-get:ed package completly? from /etc/init.d and /etc/defaults/ too |
| 16:02.19 | xelam | apt-get remove it |
| 16:02.20 | henri_ | hmm.. ok.. i installed 'nvidia-common' and 'nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-i386'.. also i did modprobe nvidia (wich worked) and echo nvidia >> /etc/modules.. then i changed 'nv' to 'nvidia' in the XF86Config-4 file, and restarted x.. now it sais 'could not find module nvidia' |
| 16:02.24 | henri_ | what can i do about that? |
| 16:02.31 | jermy | sardna: dpkg -P <package> |
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| 16:02.33 | xelam | saerdna: dont remove it manually |
| 16:02.34 | dkcsnake | jermy, im trying to install it via apt-get but the site isnt working anymore |
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| 16:02.40 | saerdna | xelam: i dont |
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| 16:02.50 | xelam | well, doesnt apt-get remove work? |
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| 16:02.52 | jermy | dkcsnake: Ah - ok |
| 16:02.55 | saerdna | xelam: i came here to get knowledge about how |
| 16:03.08 | tummyacid | while running apt-get install x-window-system i am getting an error with configuring xdm but it seem to say that it cannot configure xdm until xdm is configured i am not sure what to do |
| 16:03.09 | xelam | saerdna: "apt-get remove <name>" |
| 16:03.09 | saerdna | xelam: it works but it leave some files |
| 16:03.17 | xelam | ah right |
| 16:03.22 | takatumi | saerdna: try apt-get remove --purge |
| 16:03.33 | nvz | its one thing to joke about regurgitating a burrito you didnt eat.. but its another to actually do it |
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| 16:03.37 | dkcsnake | jermy, im trying it how it explained on http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:03.52 | dkcsnake | jermy, but it isnt working but i need mono to compile some scripts |
| 16:04.14 | eNTi | valdyn_: which package contains the debian patched 2.6.8 kernel? i need the source, not the image. |
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| 16:04.23 | henri_ | ah i see.. if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, 'nvidia' isn't in the list |
| 16:04.26 | website | benford is splitted... |
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| 16:04.33 | henri_ | how do i get it there? |
| 16:04.35 | takatumi | eNTi: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
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| 16:04.39 | Ringo999 | takatumi: ok booting in safe mode also doesnt help. is there any other way (boot disk?) |
| 16:04.40 | jermy | dkcsnake: Can you not use the version in testing? |
| 16:04.41 | RolandU | hi all! I have a debian-mysql-problem: I accidently deleted the debian-sys-maint user. How do I restore it or what do I need to set it to? |
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| 16:04.52 | Kraig | !remove gnome |
| 16:04.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 16:04.54 | valdyn_ | eNTi: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.8 ( all results are already patched..) |
| 16:04.59 | dkcsnake | jermy, which is written on Unreleased preview packages for Debian unstable (sid) |
| 16:05.04 | takatumi | Ringo999: booting in recovery mode still starts X? |
| 16:05.09 | jcarr_ | !remove kernel |
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| 16:05.14 | dkcsnake | jermy, no i cant try it yourself the server isnt working |
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| 16:05.23 | borius | when i do convert foo.pdf foo.png what I get is a lot of foo.png.$number files, I want foo$number.png instead... how do I accomplish this? |
| 16:05.23 | jcarr_ | how can I remove the kernel? It takes up sapce I need free |
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| 16:05.31 | jcarr_ | Sides, I dont need it.. |
| 16:05.32 | jcarr_ | do I? |
| 16:05.41 | henri_ | jcarr_: rm-rf /usr/src/kernel-something |
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| 16:05.55 | jermy | dkcsnake: Ok. I get the idea ;) |
| 16:06.00 | nvz | well on the bright side of things I feel better now |
| 16:06.03 | jcarr_ | no, not the source, but the compiled one |
| 16:06.06 | Kraig | i would rather begin removing the lots of porn... |
| 16:06.09 | Ringo999 | takatumi: well no, but keyboard still doesnt work. i dont get it, it worked before while installing. ever since i rebooted it doesnt work :( |
| 16:06.11 | takatumi | jcarr_: if you installed it as a package, remove it with apt-get remove |
| 16:06.15 | dkcsnake | would be cool if someone can help me on my server |
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| 16:06.32 | Ringo999 | takatumi: and its no the battteries cause i can get in cmos just fine |
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| 16:06.53 | jermy | dkcsnake: I'm a bit worried that the http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/current directory is empty |
| 16:07.02 | valdyn_ | eNTi: generally, debian doesnt distribute unpatched kernel sources, the patches are only provided for reference, to remove a patch if needed, or to patch a kernel.org kernel |
| 16:07.10 | takatumi | Ringo999: the error is most probably in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 since your keyboard works on the console, google for your keyboard model |
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| 16:07.33 | dkcsnake | jermy, yea thats the problem. and when i try it to install per sources come somewhere a failure and i dont know why |
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| 16:08.05 | takatumi | Ringo999: or ask nvz |
| 16:08.15 | Ringo999 | takatumi: nvz? |
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| 16:08.27 | jermy | dkcsnake: Well, looks like the repository there has gone titsup - worth sending an email to maintainer of the website trying to work out what's going on |
| 16:08.56 | dkcsnake | jermy, can i private message you? |
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| 16:08.59 | FieldySnuts | @lart honeyd's terrible documentation and even worse error reporting |
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| 16:09.26 | peppo | I happened to remove "magicdev" to get gnome-volume-manager working, and now my system has gone to hell. my DVD/CD doesn't work: /dev/hda (which is my DVD) doesn't exist anymore! |
| 16:09.30 | tarzeau | dpkg dff |
| 16:09.30 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 16:09.36 | peppo | running debian unstable. |
| 16:09.51 | FUF | any of you people msn messenger users? |
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| 16:10.00 | peppo | dmesg still says:hda: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 16:10.03 | FUF | was wondering if anyone else was experiencing connectivity problems to the service :o |
| 16:10.05 | xelam | FUF: yes, and the servers have been mostly down |
| 16:10.15 | FUF | alright, thanks for confirming :) |
| 16:10.19 | takatumi | tarzeau: how was that map developed? |
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| 16:10.33 | valdyn_ | peppo: whats your kernel? |
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| 16:11.05 | peppo | valdyn_, my mouse (usb) now stopped working when I ran hotplug restart |
| 16:11.07 | tarzeau | takatumi: using the formular online, and two friends in #debian-worldmap doing lots manual correction to morons who pretend to live on the waters |
| 16:11.09 | peppo | valdyn_, 2.6.8 |
| 16:11.13 | tarzeau | takatumi: xplanet and some scripts |
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| 16:11.31 | valdyn_ | peppo: what happens if you reinstall magicdev? |
| 16:11.40 | takatumi | tarzeau: cool :) |
| 16:11.44 | peppo | valdyn_, I already have. hm, I now modprobed "ide-cd", and I can mount my CD |
| 16:11.57 | peppo | valdyn_, I also had to put "nvidia" in /etc/modules for manual loading after this whole debacle. |
| 16:12.06 | peppo | valdyn_, something must've gone missing in my system. any idea what? |
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| 16:12.10 | peppo | hm! |
| 16:12.14 | peppo | "discover" wasn't installed |
| 16:12.15 | peppo | wtf |
| 16:12.30 | valdyn_ | peppo: is gnome-volume-manager installed? is udev now installed while it was not installed earlier? |
| 16:12.32 | takatumi | peppo: discover1 probably is. |
| 16:12.32 | tarzeau | takatumi: there's 2000+ new entries to be processed... |
| 16:12.45 | peppo | takatumi, it is. |
| 16:12.59 | peppo | valdyn_, I removed gnome-volume-manager because it prevents magicdev from being installed |
| 16:13.07 | peppo | valdyn_, udev is installed |
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| 16:13.33 | peppo | got to get my mouse back :/ |
| 16:13.47 | valdyn_ | peppo: udev probably put your mouse to /dev/input/mice so you'd have to reconfigure X to use that |
| 16:13.52 | jcarr_ | heh... I renamed all my php files to asp and added AddType application/x-php .asp to apache.conf |
| 16:13.54 | peppo | valdyn_, I already have. |
| 16:14.08 | peppo | valdyn_, my USB mouse stopped working (inside X) when I did /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 16:14.09 | valdyn_ | peppo: nvidia has to be installed as you did, thats a documented bug of udev |
| 16:14.15 | FieldySnuts | anyone use honeyd-1.0 ? because the docs are so out of date that it's almost utterly useless. |
| 16:14.20 | peppo | valdyn_, it wasn't like that before, it used to load automagically. |
| 16:14.24 | peppo | valdyn_, something has gone to hell |
| 16:14.50 | valdyn_ | peppo: you installed udev and hotplug, nvidia has to be loaded manually then.. thats no big deal |
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| 16:15.06 | henri_ | ok here i am again :) |
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| 16:15.12 | peppo | valdyn_, no, all those were installed previously, and nvidia was loaded automatically. this is not my issu4e though |
| 16:15.15 | henri_ | is it correct there is no nvidia-glx package for 'testing' ? |
| 16:15.27 | peppo | valdyn_, my /dev/hda isn't being loaded automatically, since "ide-cd" is not loaded automatically! |
| 16:15.49 | peppo | and now my mouse won't work in X, whilst it does work in console (gpm). |
| 16:16.04 | mwilson | Why does everyone blame udev, when all you have to do is add the right rule, same as for any other device? |
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| 16:16.18 | peppo | and GNOME won't mount my DVDs automatically anymore |
| 16:16.24 | peppo | what can I have done so majorly wrong to cause this fuckup? |
| 16:16.28 | peppo | I must've removed something essential |
| 16:16.30 | colint | Good afternoon gentleman |
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| 16:16.35 | peppo | if ide-cd isn't even loaded by default |
| 16:16.36 | peppo | as it used to be |
| 16:16.42 | henri_ | is it correct there is no nvidia-glx package for 'testing' ? |
| 16:16.46 | mwilson | So you got one good thing out of it then, if it's no longer so broken as to be mounting DVD's |
| 16:16.48 | valdyn_ | peppo: you need to be in the group "plugdev" for gnome to do that in conjunction with udev and hotplug |
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| 16:17.06 | peppo | valdyn_, it worked before, and I didn't touch permissions |
| 16:17.11 | asg | henri_: add contrib and non-free to sources ; apt-get update ; apt-cache search nvidia |
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| 16:17.18 | peppo | will be back later |
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| 16:17.21 | asg | henri_: if nothing shows up, it is correct. |
| 16:17.22 | valdyn_ | peppo: but you removed magicdev |
| 16:17.22 | henri_ | asg: they are already there |
| 16:17.23 | peppo | have to get my mouse working (restsart X) |
| 16:17.29 | peppo | valdyn_, no, magicdev is installed |
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| 16:17.35 | henri_ | and it doesnt show up indeed.. |
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| 16:17.48 | peppo | BBL |
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| 16:17.56 | henri_ | quite wrong if you ask me.. so the 'testing' version simply has no packages for an nvidia card.. ?! |
| 16:18.00 | kirbymeister | man, the net is slow today... probably all the neighbors are on the cable |
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| 16:18.16 | asg | henri_: no, they just may be held up for some reason. /msg dpkg why is <pkg> not in testing |
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| 16:18.36 | mwilson | henri_: No, you have to in fact do what you were TOLD, rather than continuing to repeat yourself. |
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| 16:18.50 | henri_ | mwilson ?! I did what i was told |
| 16:19.02 | mwilson | henri_: Obviously not. |
| 16:19.02 | henri_ | and it seems i am right, dpkg sais it's indeed not in testing |
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| 16:19.05 | Ringo999 | takatumi: how can i boot so the keyboard still works? |
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| 16:19.10 | henri_ | mwilson: ok what didn't i do then? |
| 16:19.17 | Esaj | I ran a hard disc diagnostic and it found 2 bad sectors |
| 16:19.19 | Ringo999 | takatumi: i have the installation cd. does this do any good? |
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| 16:19.24 | Ringo999 | like booting from cd? |
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| 16:19.33 | Ringo999 | or using a knoppix cd? |
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| 16:19.59 | asg | henri_: you didn't /msg dpkg why is nvidia-glx not in testing (and follow the link provided) |
| 16:20.05 | takatumi | Ringo999: your keyboard works outside X right? |
| 16:20.07 | henri_ | i did asg |
| 16:20.19 | Varg66 | Does anybody know how to prevent Xchat from timing out? |
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| 16:20.35 | LinuxGuy | Hi All |
| 16:20.35 | henri_ | and it sais it's indeed not there, so what i was saying is simply correct.. testing has no nvidia packages |
| 16:20.37 | asg | henri_: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx (and look at RC bugs and the bit about nvidia-graphics-drivers) |
| 16:20.37 | LinuxGuy | It is me again |
| 16:20.39 | takatumi | Varg66: use irssi |
| 16:20.40 | Ringo999 | takstumi: well yeah, how else could i have installed anything. |
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| 16:20.55 | LinuxGuy | I have started the Postfix tutorial and having some problems |
| 16:20.58 | Ringo999 | takatumi: there is something in the bootup files that disables it. |
| 16:20.59 | LinuxGuy | with phpmysqlmadin |
| 16:21.04 | takatumi | Ringo999: then boot in single mode, X won't start up. |
| 16:21.12 | stallman | Hi all. Quick question. Is a AMD Athalon XP2000 considered a K7 style processor? |
| 16:21.16 | LinuxGuy | when I go to http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
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| 16:21.18 | LinuxGuy | I get the rrorL |
| 16:21.22 | Ringo999 | takatumi: single mode? |
| 16:21.29 | Ringo999 | takatumi: how do i do that? |
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| 16:21.41 | Ringo999 | takatumi: a special command i can enter in grub? |
| 16:21.51 | LinuxGuy | it says can not be found? |
| 16:21.55 | takatumi | Ringo999: add "single" to the kernel line |
| 16:21.57 | mwilson | Don't you love people who think they should use a nick like "stallman", but ask questions like that? |
| 16:22.08 | Ringo999 | takatumi: k |
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| 16:22.16 | asg | mwilson: yes |
| 16:22.22 | henri_ | no need to get agressive if i'm just stating something that's true.. anyways, i'll just build a kernel and install the nvidia modules.. or revert back to gentoo; at least gentoo does have the packages ;) |
| 16:22.39 | mwilson | So use Gentoo, then. |
| 16:22.50 | pw | mwilson: I'd like to know where I can get an Athalon processor. |
| 16:22.54 | asg | henri_: we confirmed that your statement was correct. You then asked why. We pointed out where to answer that question. No more, no less. |
| 16:22.56 | stallman | why is that such a bad nick... clue me in. I just named myself that cause I own and run a harness racing stable |
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| 16:22.57 | pw | Is it nucular powered? |
| 16:23.02 | jermy | does Ubuntu have the nvidia drivers? |
| 16:23.02 | thingfish | I know, you expect someone with a nick like "stallman" to come in and lecture us about making sure we only use open source software. |
| 16:23.07 | asg | stallman: /msg dpkg rms |
| 16:23.19 | henri_ | asg: no problem, thanks a lot for your help, you have helped a lot ! |
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| 16:23.22 | mwilson | stallman: Sure you did. |
| 16:23.26 | asg | henri_: you're welcome |
| 16:23.34 | thingfish | stallman: one of the leading lights of the open source movement's name is Richard Stallman. |
| 16:23.52 | asg | thingfish: we don't need a lecture, the vrms package takes care of that. |
| 16:23.57 | thingfish | heh |
| 16:23.57 | jermy | stallman: Anyway. Yes, it's a K7 |
| 16:24.01 | colint | Anyone (currently) here have any experience of using Samba to connect to a windows based printer from sarge - it works from my woody box but I can't get my sarge box to find the workgroup |
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| 16:24.08 | asg | thingfish: no, RMS has nothing to do with open source |
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| 16:24.25 | stallman | ahhh That's why... I just named myself that cause I fling alot of horseshit.... LOL |
| 16:24.31 | thingfish | asg: well, I'm close... |
| 16:24.34 | asg | thingfish: that's the main thing he gets pissy about |
| 16:24.37 | henri_ | arrgh |
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| 16:24.48 | henri_ | apt-get install nvidia-graphics-drivers --> no such package |
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| 16:25.06 | henri_ | ah never mind i need to read better |
| 16:25.07 | Ringo999 | takatumi: nope, that didnt do it, im stuck with give password for maintenance |
| 16:25.08 | thingfish | asg: I should know better, but sometimes I read too fast and don't pick up all that I should. |
| 16:25.12 | Ringo999 | takatumi: :( |
| 16:25.23 | stallman | dpkg rms |
| 16:25.23 | dpkg | i heard rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" http://www.linuxcare.com/news_columns/interviews/index.epl |
| 16:25.30 | takatumi | Ringo999: and you can't type the password? |
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| 16:25.40 | Ringo999 | takatumi: right |
| 16:25.51 | Ringo999 | takatumi: this really sucks. i dont get it. |
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| 16:26.14 | isa | I have to run the following script to connect to the internet: sudo /usr/sbin/pptp 10.0.0.138 file /etc/ppp/options.adsl |
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| 16:26.20 | takatumi | Ringo999: it's a wireless one right? |
| 16:26.25 | asg | not to be crass but I still find it wonderfully funny that a broken arm rendered him incapable of running Emacs effectively or at all. |
| 16:26.28 | Ringo999 | right |
| 16:26.39 | stallman | can anyone tell if and AMD Athlon XP2000 is a K7 processor? |
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| 16:26.40 | takatumi | nvz: ping |
| 16:26.43 | isa | Is there somewhere I can put this script so it comes up automatically at boot? |
| 16:26.47 | Ringo999 | takatumi: it works fine, as i could edit the boot kernel command |
| 16:26.50 | asg | isa: /msg dpkg rc.boot |
| 16:26.53 | thingfish | yes I read recently an article in which stallman was complaining about his broken arm |
| 16:26.59 | isa | Thanks asg |
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| 16:27.16 | asg | isa: wait, someone fucked up that factoid |
| 16:27.36 | stallman | I guess I'll be changing my nick around here |
| 16:27.41 | thingfish | heh |
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| 16:27.56 | asg | isa: read /etc/init.d/README, /etc/init.d/skeleton, and the update-rc.d manpage. |
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| 16:28.08 | isa | Thanks again asg |
| 16:28.08 | thingfish | stallman: maybe change it to stable_boy |
| 16:28.29 | rafx | stallman: flounder is a better one |
| 16:28.31 | stallman | nah... I'm the owner... can't be a boy there |
| 16:28.39 | Ringo999 | takatumi: is there no way to boot up without that keyboard "driver" whichever one it is that is beeing loaded ... |
| 16:28.50 | paulswm | stallman: change it to murdock, heh |
| 16:28.51 | kzar | to get lirc working do I need to modprobe somthing? |
| 16:28.57 | takatumi | Ringo999: I am outta ideas. |
| 16:28.59 | stallman | maybe call myself pitchforklinux........ |
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| 16:29.07 | asg | stallman: or shitflinger |
| 16:29.12 | thingfish | heh |
| 16:29.14 | Ringo999 | takatumi: :(((( |
| 16:29.14 | stallman | LOL |
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| 16:29.26 | asg | stallman: I've had worse jobs |
| 16:29.31 | robin_ | Why is there no Openoffice.org pacakge in the amd64 arch ? |
| 16:29.52 | asg | robin_: ask #debian-oo and #debian-amd64 |
| 16:29.56 | Ringo999 | takatumi: i knew this would happen. i asked people would it be a problem with wireless keyboard. and everyone was like no way. now im spending hours again just because of that. :( |
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| 16:30.04 | paulswm | nobody got the murdock thing I guess |
| 16:30.06 | stallman | Its a great job.... Used to be a corporate suite. now I just have my duds and sulky |
| 16:30.06 | valdyn_ | robin_: b/c openoffice does not compile on 64 bit arches |
| 16:30.17 | asg | paulswm: no, too many youngsters |
| 16:30.24 | takatumi | Ringo999: nvz has got one successfully running, ask him when he's around. |
| 16:30.29 | jermy | Ringo999: Sorry. It's the linux way |
| 16:30.31 | robin_ | valdyn_: but umbuntu got it also ? |
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| 16:30.46 | paulswm | asg: yeah, but you got it of course so now I feel better :) |
| 16:30.56 | jermy | Ringo999: btw, do you have your BIOS set for USB legacy mode? |
| 16:30.56 | valdyn_ | robin_: in a chroot including starter script to make that transparent i guess |
| 16:31.06 | valdyn_ | robin_: doing that in debian requires some work.. |
| 16:31.15 | asg | paulswm: or at least I was the only one that answered. |
| 16:31.28 | jermy | Ringo999: I only ask, because I had problems getting USB keyboards to work properly *because* that option was set |
| 16:31.28 | robin_ | valdyn_: i see, but anyway the package should be in apt sources right |
| 16:31.39 | stallman | well anyway. can someone point me in the right direction for a kernel update for an AMD Athlon XP200. which kernel? |
| 16:31.44 | asg | paulswm: then again, murdock was a character on the A-Team so who am I to say. |
| 16:31.54 | paulswm | asg: hahaha |
| 16:32.06 | jermy | stallman: As I say, K7 should be fine |
| 16:32.07 | valdyn_ | robin_: yea, but umm, since it doesnt compile, what would be the use? |
| 16:32.08 | asg | paulswm: Dwight Shultz iirc |
| 16:32.25 | robin_ | valdyn_: i mean the binaries (for chroot) |
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| 16:32.34 | stallman | ok. must not have seen it on the scroll ... I got it this time though... thank you |
| 16:32.38 | jermy | :) |
| 16:32.39 | robin_ | valdyn_: anyway I will take a look at koffice than :) |
| 16:32.49 | stallman | guess I'm going to go fling some linux shit now |
| 16:32.55 | stallman | bye all |
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| 16:33.20 | valdyn_ | robin_: theres support libraries to download. The openoffice package itself is taken from i386 ( manual download ) |
| 16:33.30 | paulswm | hah, stallman was using satellite, I haven't seen to many of those |
| 16:33.36 | paulswm | too |
| 16:33.40 | robin_ | valdyn_: ok thx, will take a look |
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| 16:33.58 | valdyn_ | robin_: theres a howto, it wasnt hard when i did it, but i cant remember so you get to google yourself.. |
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| 16:34.18 | robin_ | valdyn_: Okay |
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| 16:35.26 | Anynomous | In Debian, how do I get "msttcorefonts" as it was named previously?` I tried the tip that dpkg has, but it turned out not to work for me in "Open Office org", unfortunately. Any ideas? |
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| 16:35.46 | valdyn_ | Anynomous: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 16:35.47 | Anynomous | I want Comic Sans font, etc. etc. |
| 16:35.59 | Anynomous | valdyn_ : I tried that, it says the package is not there. |
| 16:36.07 | jermy | Anynomous: Comic Sans? You poor child |
| 16:36.11 | mike | how can i get Java installed? |
| 16:36.13 | valdyn_ | !info msttcorefonts sid |
| 16:36.17 | asg | mike: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:36.20 | valdyn_ | !info msttcorefonts sarge |
| 16:36.21 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 16:36.22 | mwilson | Anynomous: Then install it. That font isn't part of msttcorefonts. |
| 16:36.24 | Anynomous | oh .. its not sid, its sarge. |
| 16:36.26 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 16:36.34 | tarzeau | contrib is not free software |
| 16:36.35 | Anynomous | mwilson : Ahh .. |
| 16:36.35 | TheAsp | Anynomous: comic sans is sick. |
| 16:36.41 | gurubie | I think I need to set up DHCP on my new Sarge (rc2) CD1 install, I've searched and still don't understand or know the best way. I have wlan0 working (sans DHCP). I installed pump. "ifconfig wlan0 up" OR "ifup" doesn't set the IP (as it did on another dist). How do I get DHCP working? |
| 16:36.41 | tarzeau | better use ttf-junicode etc... |
| 16:36.51 | Anynomous | tarzeau : Oh .. I need contrib! |
| 16:36.52 | mwilson | "junicode"? |
| 16:36.58 | TheAsp | gurubie: dont use pump |
| 16:36.58 | tarzeau | Anynomous: no that's bad |
| 16:37.01 | tarzeau | mwilson: really nice font :) |
| 16:37.05 | jermy | Anynomous: You probably need to make sure you've got contrb set up, looking at those details |
| 16:37.11 | jermy | er, contrib |
| 16:37.13 | TheAsp | !info dhcp3-client |
| 16:37.13 | gurubie | TheAsp: Y? |
| 16:37.15 | dpkg | dhcp3-client: (DHCP Client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 405 kB, Installed size: 852 kB |
| 16:37.16 | asg | gurubie: man 5 interfaces, /msg dpkg man interfaces, /msg dpkg faq |
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| 16:37.23 | Anynomous | TheAsp : Well, sometimes people write sick documents, and then I need the font. |
| 16:37.40 | Anynomous | tarzeau : ttf-junicode? |
| 16:37.46 | tarzeau | Anynomous: sometimes it's better to tell the people instead of something else |
| 16:37.51 | tarzeau | Anynomous: nice font, free software |
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| 16:38.30 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: and maintained by you, not to mention. ;) |
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| 16:38.58 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: that's not the important part |
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| 16:39.03 | Elboras | hi |
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| 16:39.11 | TheAsp | heh |
| 16:39.16 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: I know, just joking. :-) |
| 16:39.33 | gurubie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.34 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: whats the gui interface on gnome for managing packages? |
| 16:39.45 | asg | gurubie: w/o the initial space |
| 16:39.47 | TheAsp | pingouin_: synaptic |
| 16:39.55 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: i've also got ttf-f500 ttf-summersby (not so complete) |
| 16:40.01 | Anynomous | tarzeau : Well, nice to know that someone who cares for the font maintains it. :-) |
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| 16:40.13 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: ttf-gentium too but that's not yet free (but it will, in a few monhts according to a mail from upstream) |
| 16:40.17 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: synaptic is a gui tool |
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| 16:40.44 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: right. so just apt-get instatll synaptic? |
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| 16:41.06 | FieldySnuts | hehe honeyd is fun (though took a lot of hacking to get working right), got it to fool nmap into thinking 10.0.0.51 is this: OS details: Microsoft Xbox running Debian Linux 2.4.20 Uptime 0.127 days (since Sun Jan 23 08:37:39 2005) |
| 16:41.13 | MobyTurbo | Ringo999: why not try the command yourself? |
| 16:41.25 | gurubie | Yes I did that: "auto wlan0 (newline) iface wlan0 inet dhcp" |
| 16:41.47 | saerdna | how do i allow www-data to reach /proc/net/dev ? |
| 16:41.53 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: i am, thx! |
| 16:42.01 | jermy | Ringo999: Yeah, but just don't have the issues that 'linuxguy' had earlier ;) |
| 16:42.05 | Ringo999 | MobyTurbo: im just a plain nubie. |
| 16:42.06 | saerdna | [root@papaya /]# sudo -u www-data cat /proc/net/dev |
| 16:42.06 | saerdna | cat: /proc/net/dev: Permission denied |
| 16:42.28 | gurubie | Why not pump? |
| 16:42.30 | FieldySnuts | grsecurity kernel? |
| 16:42.36 | Ringo999 | jermy: i got the keyboard working again. just cant boot usb mouse and wireless kb at the same time as it seems like |
| 16:42.39 | saerdna | FieldySnuts: yea |
| 16:42.54 | asg | saerdna: check that 'netstat -S' doesn't provide the info you need |
| 16:42.55 | jermy | Ringo999: That's odd |
| 16:43.02 | jermy | and probably sucks |
| 16:43.05 | FieldySnuts | saerdna: you've got proc restrictions on then, and it sounds like RBAC is turned on (root doesn't have full perms) |
| 16:43.14 | looksaus | apache-ssl doesn't want to process php scripts on my sarge server |
| 16:43.26 | FieldySnuts | i haven't messed with RBAC enough other than to know it's a major pain, can't help ya there |
| 16:43.30 | saerdna | FieldySnuts: well i can reach it as root, but not as www-data |
| 16:43.33 | jermy | looksaus: Any errors? |
| 16:43.37 | FieldySnuts | oh, well that's normal |
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| 16:43.40 | toresbe | Oh my GOD |
| 16:43.49 | looksaus | jermy, I seem to remember something |
| 16:43.50 | toresbe | I have discovered that DEBIAN has been made by NSA! |
| 16:44.04 | Ringo999 | jermy: sure does. sorry for my nubie behavior. im just not used to this lively unix environments. im working on it. |
| 16:44.05 | asg | toresbe: SELinux patches were |
| 16:44.07 | FieldySnuts | saerdna: I think you can specify groups that aren't restricted to /proc , not sure |
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| 16:44.15 | toresbe | asg: ...oh, heh |
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| 16:44.25 | toresbe | try apt-getting something... with your left hand shifted one key right |
| 16:44.28 | FieldySnuts | saerdna: i wouldn't be doing that though, this is the sort of thing web apps should not be allowed to do |
| 16:44.38 | cyzie | i have dual boot problem |
| 16:44.42 | cyzie | anyone expert in grub ? |
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| 16:44.51 | PlanarPlatypus | cyzie: I know a bit |
| 16:45.00 | ouznext | cyzie: what happends to you ? |
| 16:45.01 | jermy | cyzie: Might be able to help |
| 16:45.08 | cyzie | okay |
| 16:45.12 | cyzie | here is my description |
| 16:45.17 | debian | toresbe: drunk IRCing is bad, get some sleep |
| 16:45.18 | cyzie | i have 4 hdds |
| 16:45.21 | cyzie | 2 pata |
| 16:45.24 | cyzie | and 2 sata |
| 16:45.25 | looksaus | jermy, it's not errors, it's just that it doesn't handle them as |
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| 16:45.33 | looksaus | php scripts, but just as plain text |
| 16:45.38 | cyzie | sata1 have windows xp on it |
| 16:45.40 | saerdna | FieldySnuts: so its better to run bwbar as root? |
| 16:45.43 | cyzie | sata2 have debian |
| 16:45.44 | asg | looksaus: then read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 16:45.45 | saerdna | i dontthink so |
| 16:45.46 | saerdna | :P |
| 16:45.51 | FieldySnuts | don't be silly |
| 16:45.53 | looksaus | asg, will do |
| 16:46.01 | paulswm | cyzie: put more on one line |
| 16:46.03 | FieldySnuts | web apps don't need access to /proc. those that do should be shot. |
| 16:46.04 | cyzie | when my bios setting is changed to hdd0 |
| 16:46.10 | cyzie | ok ok |
| 16:46.14 | saerdna | bwbar != webapp |
| 16:46.15 | jermy | looksaus: So you get php code back? |
| 16:46.52 | paulswm | !beat web apps which need access to /proc |
| 16:47.14 | saerdna | I SAID bwbar != webapp |
| 16:47.17 | saerdna | damn |
| 16:47.24 | ouznext | dpkg: dpkg -P *webapps* :p |
| 16:47.24 | dpkg | ouznext: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 16:47.26 | jermy | saerdna: Let them have their fun... |
| 16:47.27 | saerdna | bwbar is a c++ app provided by kernel.org |
| 16:47.34 | FieldySnuts | @win paulswm |
| 16:47.36 | ravenbird | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:47.48 | paulswm | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 16:47.49 | FieldySnuts | OS details: IBM AIX 3.2.3 running on RS6000 model 560 lol. honeyd is fun |
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| 16:48.09 | ouznext | cyzie: writing a novel ? |
| 16:48.09 | saerdna | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/web/bwbar/ .......................... |
| 16:48.15 | cyzie | i have dual boot problem. i have 4 hdds. 2 pata and 2 sata. sata1 have windows xp on it. sata2 have debian. when my bios setting is changed to hdd0 and i insatlled debian, i have no problem getting grub boot loader and boot into debian. however if i changed the primary boot device to sata controoler, it boot itself straight away to windows xp and i wont get any grub boot loader. anyone experience on this before? |
| 16:48.23 | cyzie | ouznext, yes. be descriptive ;) |
| 16:48.31 | cyzie | i have this problem for a long time |
| 16:48.35 | asg | cyzie: install grub on the XP drive then |
| 16:48.41 | cyzie | i hope master here can solve my problem. thanks |
| 16:48.52 | saerdna | cyzie: why are you running two operating systems on your computer? |
| 16:48.56 | ouznext | where did you install grub ? |
| 16:49.09 | ouznext | you need it in the MBR of the booting hd |
| 16:49.09 | cyzie | ouznext, hda |
| 16:49.13 | FieldySnuts | OS details: SGI IRIX 6.5 Origin2 |
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| 16:49.16 | FieldySnuts | HEHE! i wish :P |
| 16:49.23 | paulswm | Cyanophytes: grub needs to be installed on the mbr of your primary boot device |
| 16:49.24 | asg | FieldySnuts: is there an option for C64? |
| 16:49.28 | ouznext | ok, so you should boot with that disk |
| 16:49.29 | FieldySnuts | asg: haha |
| 16:49.32 | FieldySnuts | asg: let me look |
| 16:49.41 | FieldySnuts | asg: haha there is |
| 16:49.45 | asg | FieldySnuts: rock |
| 16:49.46 | paulswm | cyzie: grub needs to be installed on the mbr of your primary boot device |
| 16:49.50 | cyzie | but hda is ntfs drive, have no OS in it. merely mp3 and movies |
| 16:49.54 | paulswm | damn tab complete |
| 16:50.02 | Anynomous | tarzeau : ttf-gentium is also fonts? |
| 16:50.07 | cyzie | okay |
| 16:50.10 | cyzie | what is the workaround now? |
| 16:50.10 | FieldySnuts | asg: anything in nmap's fingerprints it can fake :P |
| 16:50.22 | asg | FieldySnuts: nice |
| 16:50.22 | tarzeau | Anynomous: yes but not in main |
| 16:50.29 | tarzeau | Anynomous: it's pretty complete and nice! |
| 16:50.31 | paulswm | cyzie: repeat: grub needs to be installed on the mbr of your primary boot device |
| 16:50.32 | ouznext | MBR is before any partition, so dont' worry about NTFS, or any filesystem type |
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| 16:50.36 | asg | FieldySnuts: make everything look like a Jetdirect then :) |
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| 16:50.39 | cyzie | paulswm, ouznext, i did a grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 16:50.46 | Anynomous | tarzeau : I just need as many fonts .. I'm competing with MS-word. :-) |
| 16:50.46 | tarzeau | sometimes great fonts have really great fucked licensing |
| 16:50.51 | FieldySnuts | Device type: game console Running: Commodore embedded OS details: Commodore 64 with TFE Ethernet Card (Contiki) Difficulty=14 (Easy) IPID Sequence Generation: Randomized |
| 16:50.56 | FieldySnuts | damn that's funny |
| 16:50.57 | saerdna | the 3 'R's of windoze: restart, reboot, reinstall |
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| 16:51.06 | Anynomous | tarzeau : Yeah .. like postscript T1/T3 or adobe or bitstream :/ |
| 16:51.08 | asg | FieldySnuts: hah, funny |
| 16:51.21 | tarzeau | Anynomous: even there's some private great fonts, with shit licensing |
| 16:51.29 | cyzie | mmm... |
| 16:51.29 | FieldySnuts | asg: then you can set up open ports, the policy of closed ports, even bind scripts to open ports to emulate things listening there |
| 16:51.37 | cyzie | i dont want to reinsatll windows |
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| 16:51.44 | asg | FieldySnuts: yeah, I mean to fool around with it one day. |
| 16:51.47 | cyzie | is there any way to fix this? |
| 16:51.52 | FieldySnuts | asg: then you can get really crazy, set up virtual subnets, routing, MTU's, lag, errors, collisions... it's neat |
| 16:51.59 | asg | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 16:52.02 | ouznext | i don't understand your problem cyzie . |
| 16:52.15 | FieldySnuts | we've 5 unused IP's at work. grin |
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| 16:52.24 | FieldySnuts | should be fun to waste the time of some kiddies |
| 16:52.34 | ouznext | boot from the HD where you installed Grub, then from grub boot you XP or any OS you may have installed anywhere |
| 16:52.36 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: you're like a kid with a new toy, man |
| 16:52.38 | cyzie | ouznext, can i pm u? |
| 16:52.41 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: love this shit |
| 16:52.44 | ouznext | sure |
| 16:52.46 | cyzie | to describe in detail |
| 16:52.50 | FieldySnuts | i'll have to make those IP's appear to be various cisco routers with default passwords |
| 16:52.52 | cyzie | thanks |
| 16:53.01 | FieldySnuts | with gig interfaces and stuff |
| 16:53.04 | FieldySnuts | watch kids play |
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| 16:53.22 | mike | install java probs. what do I have to do after did "sh /.../j2re" with success? |
| 16:53.39 | Anynomous | tarzeau : Ok |
| 16:53.42 | mwilson | mike: What do the installation instructions say you have to do? |
| 16:53.57 | Anynomous | tarzeau : But the user is a school teacher, so the user wont care what licenses is broken. |
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| 16:54.14 | kzar | could someone tell me how to get lirc working? I think i need to probe a module because mode2 returns "mode2: error opening /dev/lirc" |
| 16:54.16 | mwilson | Anynomous: How do you figure that? |
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| 16:54.48 | mike | mwilson: make usr/local/bin/java symlinks to the correspond. programs ... |
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| 16:56.30 | mike | mwilson: but I don't know how to handle symlinks |
| 16:56.52 | FieldySnuts | OS details: Cisco AS5200 terminal server, Cisco 2501/5260/5300 terminal server IOS 11.3.6(T1) |
| 16:56.57 | FieldySnuts | there we go, i'll leave that one |
| 16:57.29 | jcarr_ | Do you think that parsing xml files with havascript is a bit perverse? |
| 16:57.54 | jcarr_ | er, javascript |
| 16:57.57 | jcarr_ | not havascript |
| 16:58.00 | mwilson | mike: Then I guess you shouldn't be installing Java. |
| 16:58.04 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 16:58.09 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: javasmite test? |
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| 16:58.10 | ravenbird | i don't know, FieldySnuts |
| 16:58.22 | jcarr_ | mike, man ln |
| 16:58.31 | jcarr_ | it's shit easy |
| 16:58.53 | gurubie | If I install dhcp3-client and it removes pump will my system still work after reboot or do I need to set/check something? |
| 16:58.57 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: that is so cool, there's gotta be a way I can freak some ppl out with that |
| 16:59.23 | jcarr_ | I was paid $120 too! :P |
| 16:59.31 | jermy | neat |
| 16:59.58 | paulswm | jcarr_: yeah, but it's the $ per symlink that counts :) |
| 17:00.03 | jcarr_ | of course, that's only because or city hall inistst on hiring their IT staff based on who they know and not what they know |
| 17:00.08 | jcarr_ | s/or/our |
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| 17:00.41 | Phated | jcarr_: I wouldn't complain if I were hired to do something that some other idiot should have done and got paid for. :) |
| 17:00.48 | calin | How do I update my system time from an internet source? |
| 17:00.50 | gurubie | Will dhcp3-client from Sid break "testing"? |
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| 17:01.08 | jcarr_ | Phated, yeah, but it's the fact their IT staff does get paid more per year than me though :) |
| 17:01.11 | jermy | calin: Put the NTP server in /etc/defaults/ntp-servers |
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| 17:01.20 | Phated | jcarr_: Sad, but... :) |
| 17:01.30 | jcarr_ | Phated, yeah, still some easy $$$ :) |
| 17:01.32 | calin | jermy And after that do what? |
| 17:01.40 | Phated | jcarr_: Exactly. |
| 17:01.45 | jermy | er. I probably mean in ntpdate |
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| 17:02.07 | jermy | calin: Hang on. I'll just figure out what I'm talking about :) |
| 17:02.18 | calin | thank you |
| 17:02.18 | calin | lol |
| 17:02.27 | calin | s/lol/heh/ |
| 17:02.36 | Phated | Just install ntpd or something. |
| 17:02.37 | paulswm | Phated: the secret is to draw in your breath sharply and frown, then they think it's really tough and throw money at you |
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| 17:02.54 | Phated | paulswm: I've been given credit for that at school. :) |
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| 17:03.17 | calin | ah |
| 17:03.21 | calin | instal ntpdate |
| 17:03.23 | Phated | Sitting with a serious face while staring into space almost always gets a teacher off your back. "Sorry, I was thinking." |
| 17:03.47 | Anynomous | Phated : E: Couldn't find package something |
| 17:03.50 | Phated | calin: ntpdate only updates at boot, though. |
| 17:03.54 | jermy | calin: Ok - there are a couple of packages. ntpdate will set the time at startup |
| 17:04.01 | paulswm | calin: I prefer chrony for time setting, your choice though |
| 17:04.02 | Anynomous | Phated :-P :-) |
| 17:04.03 | Phated | Anynomous: You're not using the uber-leet super-secret sources. |
| 17:04.06 | calin | alright |
| 17:04.09 | jermy | ntp (or ntp-simple or similar) will run as a daemon |
| 17:04.15 | Phated | ntpd. |
| 17:04.22 | calin | Thank's ya'll I can figure it out from here, just fishing for packages |
| 17:04.29 | calin | Have a good day, see y'all later |
| 17:04.31 | Phated | :) |
| 17:04.48 | Anynomous | Phated : Ahh .. thats the trick .. people always tell me I need to "apt-get install something", and it never works... thanks for telling me why. ;-) |
| 17:04.48 | paulswm | calin: also suggest you use the pool servers, check out http://www.pool.ntp.org/ |
| 17:04.55 | Phated | Anynomous: No shit. :) |
| 17:04.57 | calin | thank you |
| 17:05.00 | borsodi | are there any good websites/essays that discuss the real costs of running Microsoft software for a typical family ? |
| 17:05.08 | Phated | What costs? |
| 17:05.13 | calin | heh |
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| 17:05.30 | Phated | I mean, realistically, what kind of "TCO" do you want to discuss for a household system? |
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| 17:05.45 | Ikarus | borsodi: $5, the cost of 3 CD's full of software |
| 17:05.57 | jermy | calin: Yeah - unless your ISP has a good NTP server, setting it to pool.ntp.org is good |
| 17:05.59 | Phated | Ikarus: Dude, you're not going to the right pirates. :) |
| 17:06.05 | paulswm | Phated: *time* |
| 17:06.06 | calin | aqight |
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| 17:06.16 | Phated | paulswm: 0105 hrs, mister. |
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| 17:06.21 | Herodes | hi... |
| 17:06.35 | borsodi | phated > the cost of purchashing an operating system which is designed to become obsolete in 2 or 3 years' time... for a start. |
| 17:06.37 | Ikarus | Phated: at one time it cost you 15 euro to get a copy of a CD |
| 17:07.05 | Phated | borsodi: Meh, people nowadays still run Win98 fairly smoothly... *shrugs* |
| 17:07.13 | valdyn_ | borsodi: the typical household does not buy operating systems |
| 17:07.16 | paulswm | Phated: very funny, I mean all the time one could spend maintaining Windows which could be put to better use in her for instance :) |
| 17:07.19 | jermy | calin: Actually, I didn't realise chrony existed. Looks neat |
| 17:07.24 | paulswm | s/her/here/ |
| 17:07.27 | Phated | borsodi: Seriously, though, I don't think actual studies have been done. |
| 17:07.27 | valdyn_ | borsodi: they buy computers with preinstalled oem stuff |
| 17:07.29 | Phated | paulswm: :) |
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| 17:07.33 | Ikarus | Phated: Ah, you mean those people who run the spam daemons for the world |
| 17:07.34 | paulswm | that wa an unfortunate slip |
| 17:07.35 | Phated | Ikarus: Heh. |
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| 17:07.47 | Phated | paulswm: QOTD. :) |
| 17:08.06 | Phated | "Honey, come to bed..." "I'm sorry, baby, I need to fix this box..." |
| 17:08.10 | Ikarus | Phated: anyone running less then NT4, Win2k or XP with the latest service packs is considered a danger to the internet by me |
| 17:08.10 | Phated | :) |
| 17:08.15 | paulswm | Phated: ol' geezer doesn't get QOTD |
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| 17:08.29 | Phated | paulswm: Quote of the day. Or TOTD, typo of the day. |
| 17:08.32 | Phated | Ikarus: True, true. |
| 17:08.58 | Phated | paulswm: Edified? |
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| 17:09.20 | Phated | Ikarus: Meh, you've got your iptables/ipchains/spamassasin/clamav protected system. The net goes down, you keep ticking. :) |
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| 17:09.27 | Herodes | anyboy can help for my local network goes right? This is so: cablemodem-->pc1(eht1 dinamic,eht0 local:192.168.0.3)--->pc2(etho local:ip 192.168.0.2). I) have done this: echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward && iptables -t Nat -A posttouting -o eth0 -j SNAT --to 192.168.0.2 Any help?? |
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| 17:09.51 | borsodi | phated : yes. i'm still looking for a good essay comparing the cost of, say, running M$, with Debian. |
| 17:09.52 | paulswm | Phated: definition: adj : instructed and encouraged in moral, intellectual, and spiritual improvement |
| 17:10.02 | Phated | Ikarus: Y'know, that would be an awesome slogan for Linux. :) |
| 17:10.06 | Ikarus | Phated: I portscan to identify anyone who sends me e-mail or visits my website, ofcourse my ISP disagrees, but I do it purely to map out what on earth people are using |
| 17:10.11 | FieldySnuts | Phated: thought you were goin to BED huh huh |
| 17:10.14 | Phated | paulswm: Why, thank you. That touches me, truly. :) |
| 17:10.17 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Shut up. :) |
| 17:10.21 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
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| 17:10.34 | Phated | borsodi: No idea. I say screw the studies, run Debian. |
| 17:11.13 | valdyn_ | borsodi: im not sure how i would calculate the cost of my kid not being able to play doom3 because in winxp malfunctions |
| 17:11.14 | Ringo999 | ok. i installed GDM for gnome. how do i start it and what is the gdmsetup software? |
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| 17:11.32 | Phated | borsodi: After all, even if it -is- cheaper in the long run, do you -really- want to regularly look at WinXP? :) |
| 17:11.36 | jermy | /etc/init.d/gdm start ? |
| 17:11.56 | henri_ | is there a way to extract the current kernel configuration when building a new kernel? |
| 17:11.57 | Phated | And you don't need gdmsetup. I've never actually used it. <shrug> |
| 17:11.58 | jermy | Herodes: Are you saying that it's not working? |
| 17:12.01 | Ringo999 | jermy: even though im already using gnome? |
| 17:12.08 | jermy | *shrug* |
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| 17:12.17 | Herodes | jermy: yes |
| 17:12.17 | Phated | Ringo999: Then it'll start the next time you boot. |
| 17:12.23 | borsodi | valdyn > even if you buy a computer with M$ installed, there is ongoing running costs of installing other necessary commercial s/w |
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| 17:12.27 | Ringo999 | ok. |
| 17:12.29 | jermy | Herodes: Can the machines ping each other fine? |
| 17:12.38 | Ringo999 | and to change the theme GDM uses? |
| 17:12.47 | Phated | Ringo999: You can do that at the GDM screen. |
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| 17:13.04 | jermy | Herodes: I'm assuming the issue is that the internal machine can't ping the router? |
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| 17:13.12 | Ringo999 | alright |
| 17:13.21 | Herodes | jermy: yes. They see eachopther |
| 17:13.29 | paulswm | borsodi: from the home use point of view: OpenOffice vs MS Office, security of (for example) Firefox, Thunderbird vs. IE and OE, stuff about viruses and spyware, cleaning up a badly infected system can be a real nightmare and take a great deal of time |
| 17:13.30 | clojster | how can I change fonts in console? |
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| 17:13.44 | clojster | is it even possible? |
| 17:13.54 | Phated | paulswm: Howso? I get it infected, I reinstall. Half an hour. :) |
| 17:13.55 | jermy | clojster: What console are you using? |
| 17:14.12 | jermy | oh. You mean not under X? |
| 17:14.26 | Phated | clojster: Sure you can. I don't recall the command, but the fonts are in /usr/share/consolefonts/ |
| 17:14.30 | jermy | Herodes: Can your internal machine ping the router? |
| 17:14.38 | Phated | clojster: That |
| 17:14.39 | clojster | Phated: thanks |
| 17:14.44 | Herodes | jermy: yes. |
| 17:14.49 | Phated | clojster: That's it, consolechars -f <filename> |
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| 17:14.56 | mith | paulswm: that's why you buy a mac |
| 17:14.58 | paulswm | Phated: not always that easy |
| 17:15.00 | clojster | Phated: but that command would be usefull |
| 17:15.03 | Phated | clojster: Mind, they're all ugly. :) |
| 17:15.06 | jermy | Herodes: But not the outside world? |
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| 17:15.18 | Phated | paulswm: True. I oversimplify sometimes. |
| 17:15.18 | Herodes | jermy: yes |
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| 17:15.25 | jermy | Herodes: (sorry - I mean to say modem, but I guess it doesn't have its own IP) |
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| 17:15.37 | paulswm | mith: that's why you buy an Intel/AMD and install debian :) |
| 17:15.48 | Phated | What paulswm said. |
| 17:15.52 | TCW | how come that "mt status" prints "file number = -1" and suchlike but other operations (as rewind, offline, whatever) would work correctly, so the tape is accessable. |
| 17:16.04 | paulswm | @win Phated |
| 17:16.06 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Phated! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:16.11 | FieldySnuts | aww |
| 17:16.14 | Phated | Awww. |
| 17:16.17 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:16.20 | paulswm | eeewww |
| 17:16.21 | TCW | in other words... what means "file number = -1"? :) |
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| 17:16.29 | Phated | paulswm: Hehe. :) |
| 17:16.29 | jermy | Herodes: And the routing on the internal machine is ok? |
| 17:16.29 | paulswm | only *second*? |
| 17:16.33 | morphnix | re all |
| 17:16.34 | mith | paulswm: no, linux sucks on the desktop still, macs actually have a usable/consistant gui. |
| 17:16.36 | FieldySnuts | yeah I was first |
| 17:16.44 | morphnix | question on debian ppc. |
| 17:16.47 | FieldySnuts | uh bbl |
| 17:16.49 | Phated | mith: Dude! Don't like say that in #debian! :) |
| 17:16.58 | Herodes | jermy: they are point to pint |
| 17:17.02 | Phated | Anyway, WTH is wrong with Openbox? :) |
| 17:17.26 | morphnix | I can't get my login gui anymore... I can vnc remotely and see gnome, kde, etc... but on the machine, it starts and stops (gives a msg that it stopped 6 times and will try two mins later). |
| 17:17.35 | dan2 | Phated: in a contest of two people |
| 17:17.45 | morphnix | appreciate any help |
| 17:17.47 | Phated | dan2: :P |
| 17:17.53 | jermy | Herodes: Sorry - I mean /sbin/route shows a line starting 'default 192.168.0.3 ...' |
| 17:18.09 | paulswm | mith: I now exclusively unse debian at home, including when using Citrix to connect to work, even using Citrix ICA client and Remote Desktop Connection to bring up my work XP PC in an X window at home, still can't get over it, just so cool |
| 17:18.26 | Herodes | jermy: there is no need cause are directly connected |
| 17:18.27 | dan2 | mith: its because on linux everybody thinks they can do it better |
| 17:18.32 | jermy | Herodes: And what message do you get back from ping when trying to ping the outside world from the internal machine? |
| 17:18.36 | dan2 | mith: personally Qt is much nicer to program with |
| 17:18.41 | Phated | paulswm: Need we really reiterate Citrix is not Debian? :) |
| 17:18.51 | TCW | Hell... am I the only one using tapes on this planet?! ;9 |
| 17:19.13 | Herodes | jermy: no answer |
| 17:19.29 | Phated | TCW: We're all on 2-TB USB sticks now, man! |
| 17:19.30 | Phated | :) |
| 17:19.31 | jermy | Herodes: Does the router machine show up anything in its syslog when you do that? |
| 17:19.39 | clojster | can somebody write my nick here? |
| 17:19.40 | Herodes | no |
| 17:19.52 | Phated | clojster: Yo. |
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| 17:20.05 | paulswm | Phated: yes BUT just hoping that someone might read it and realize that they can run Citrix ICA client fine on debian, so they don't have to keep Windoze hanging around for that |
| 17:20.08 | mith | paulswm: um so? I do the exact opposite, with a windows machine to connect to everything else, how does that make linux on the desktop so awsome? |
| 17:20.10 | usuallydumb | hi |
| 17:20.15 | morphnix | useless |
| 17:20.18 | morphnix | exit |
| 17:20.19 | Phated | paulswm: Ah, fair enough. :) |
| 17:20.36 | clojster | Phated: nothing... :( (I'm trying to get in xchat beep on message to work) |
| 17:20.37 | TCW | Phated, I had something similar on my mind... it is a way more cheaper than tapes and that is what counts nowadays :/ |
| 17:20.45 | Phated | TCW: True. |
| 17:20.46 | usuallydumb | is it possible for Debian grub to boot a Mandrake partition? |
| 17:20.55 | Phated | clojster: Dude, wtf would you want that? |
| 17:21.02 | jermy | Herodes: Assuming the routing is ok (and the internal machine does have the router IP set as its default route), the only thing I can think of is that iptables is getting in the way |
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| 17:21.06 | Eclipser | usuallydumb, why wouldn't it?-p |
| 17:21.10 | jermy | usuallydumb: Sure |
| 17:21.21 | Phated | usuallydumb: Sure it is. Edit menu.lst appropriately, they probably already have a commented out section you can just uncomment and fiddle with. |
| 17:21.22 | clojster | Phated: well, when someone writes my name to alert me |
| 17:21.27 | jermy | usuallydumb: But, of course, the question is why you would want to? :) |
| 17:21.36 | Phated | clojster: Yeah, and in a busy convo with you... *shudder* |
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| 17:21.43 | Eclipser | jermy, :D |
| 17:22.07 | usuallydumb | I have tried to set it up and get and I get an error about the list either needing to be block or absolute |
| 17:22.09 | clojster | Phated: that sentence is beyond my knowledge of english :( |
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| 17:22.46 | Phated | clojster: I meant, when you were in a conversation with someone, it would beep -every- single time, that would get annoying, wouldn't it? :) |
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| 17:23.01 | paulswm | mith: I'm a programmer who likes to do a lot of research. I wouldn't really care if X vanished tomorrow to tell you the truth. I also do a lot of Unix support and development at work, and I never use anything other than telnet/ssh terminal sessions (except for SQLNavigator on XP) |
| 17:23.09 | mith | paulswm: there's still not even a shred of consistancy once you get outside the apps distributed with a given DE, and god forbid cutting/pasting should work in a uniform manner. Oh, and you forgot to mention that that rdesktop client you're using does not like dvorak at all and is too stupid to use the current X character map instead of having it's on charmap system because they think they can do it better ......... |
| 17:23.17 | mentor | Herodes: What is the policy for the forward chain on iptables? |
| 17:23.23 | clojster | Phated: well... maybe - yes. Youre right |
| 17:23.25 | Herodes | :) |
| 17:23.50 | Herodes | mentor: ACCEPT |
| 17:23.58 | usuallydumb | is there a debian graphical interface fro grub? |
| 17:24.23 | Herodes | mentor: need i to use MASQUERADE instead of SNAT -->iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 17:24.25 | valdyn_ | usuallydumb: gnome-system-tools has one |
| 17:24.29 | paulswm | mith: so go back to os x or xp or whatever you're using, I'm quite comfortable with the notion that one man's meat is another mans poinson, I was merley expressing personal preferences |
| 17:24.30 | clojster | usuallydumb: guis sucks :) |
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| 17:24.38 | valdyn_ | usuallydumb: doesnt mean its good, i dont know it |
| 17:24.39 | Herodes | being.......eht1 which goes internet? |
| 17:24.47 | usuallydumb | thanks valdyn |
| 17:24.49 | mentor | Herodes: Umm, yeah...I think the fact that you have the same subnet on each of your interfaces might not help either. |
| 17:24.55 | mentor | Herodes: No, either should work |
| 17:25.00 | dkcsnake | can someone help me? |
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| 17:25.04 | paulswm | well that was crap typing. HELP someone, my keyboard isn't working. heh |
| 17:25.09 | Herodes | mentor: mu ISP give me dinamic IPS |
| 17:25.10 | mentor | !tell dkcsnake about ask |
| 17:25.12 | dkcsnake | i got a root server and how i can see in which directory I am? |
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| 17:25.23 | heyciao | ACPI problem. How to solve it? |
| 17:25.33 | dkcsnake | becouse i cant acess /home/root/ |
| 17:25.36 | FieldySnuts | now there's a vague question. |
| 17:25.37 | usuallydumb | thanks for the help Debian folks..have a nice day |
| 17:25.42 | paulswm | dkcsnake: pwd? |
| 17:25.51 | dkcsnake | i dont knnow |
| 17:25.52 | mentor | Herodes: Yes, but that's handled at the cable modem? |
| 17:26.05 | dkcsnake | :( isnt there any way to see in which directory im? |
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| 17:26.14 | paulswm | dkcsnake: pwd |
| 17:26.17 | takatumi | heyciao: check for errors in dmesg |
| 17:26.19 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 17:26.24 | dkcsnake | ah thx |
| 17:26.36 | heyciao | takatumi: checked |
| 17:26.43 | dkcsnake | and one more quetion: how i can move all files from one directory to a othher one? |
| 17:26.46 | heyciao | nobody care irq 177. |
| 17:26.52 | mentor | dkcsnake: man mv? |
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| 17:27.00 | paulswm | dkcsnake: np, let us know if you have a further problem wwith which we can help you |
| 17:27.01 | Jacobo221 | is dri only available in a single X server? i'd like to have it working in two X servers (of course, using only one graphics card) |
| 17:27.04 | slocate | question: why is level 3 the default graphical level instead of 5 in Debian? |
| 17:27.05 | heyciao | dkcsnake: man mv |
| 17:27.15 | paulswm | dkcsnake: mv (read the man page: "man mv" |
| 17:27.18 | mentor | slocate: It's not. |
| 17:27.31 | dkcsnake | i c thx |
| 17:27.35 | mentor | slocate: Debian by default doesn't differentiate between 2-5 |
| 17:27.36 | KimHansen_ | slocate: Debian doesnt use the runlevel as redhat etc. does |
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| 17:27.50 | mentor | AFAIK |
| 17:27.51 | slocate | mentor: ok |
| 17:28.06 | Phated | clojster: :) |
| 17:28.07 | paulswm | dkcsnake: if you are learning Linux (and it would seem that you are), don't log on as root ever without seeking some advice first |
| 17:28.12 | tiefsee | hello |
| 17:28.17 | heyciao | takatumi: IRQ 177: nobody care! |
| 17:28.25 | tiefsee | did anyone see what i said? |
| 17:28.29 | tiefsee | some minutes ago |
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| 17:28.49 | tesmako | XFS/ReiserFS (well, anything that is not ext{2,3}) on hppa? yes/no/maybe? :/ |
| 17:28.53 | slocate | i had 3 as the default and it was going into graph, although I use xdm |
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| 17:29.17 | paulswm | tiefsee: I didn't |
| 17:29.21 | tiefsee | oh |
| 17:29.22 | mze | how to install xorg on sarge? |
| 17:29.31 | tiefsee | because i had some network problems here... |
| 17:29.32 | tiefsee | ok |
| 17:29.34 | tiefsee | again |
| 17:29.40 | mentor | !tell tiefsee about enter |
| 17:29.43 | paulswm | tiefsee: sure, type away |
| 17:29.55 | paulswm | !sing sunday |
| 17:29.55 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 17:30.18 | tiefsee | he mentor. my internet-connections was down |
| 17:30.21 | tiefsee | for some seconds.. |
| 17:30.22 | tiefsee | argh |
| 17:30.25 | FieldySnuts | @lart tiefsee |
| 17:30.26 | tiefsee | that was the problem |
| 17:30.26 | tiefsee | no |
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| 17:30.47 | mentor | tiefsee: What kind of connection was it? |
| 17:30.49 | takatumi | heyciao: check #linux or #kernel or some other kernel related channel maybe |
| 17:30.49 | paulswm | tiefsee: just take your time, type it out again |
| 17:31.04 | mentor | yeah. |
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| 17:31.15 | tiefsee | again: i had a very well configurated debian linux "server" |
| 17:31.17 | mze | can someone give me a hint howto install xorg on sarge? |
| 17:31.33 | tiefsee | but something strange happend |
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| 17:31.40 | tiefsee | it fucked up... |
| 17:31.41 | KimHansen_ | mze: read topic |
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| 17:31.44 | tiefsee | and now |
| 17:31.54 | tiefsee | the superblock of my rot-partition is dead |
| 17:31.59 | tiefsee | root-partition |
| 17:32.07 | tiefsee | (jfs-filesystem) |
| 17:32.08 | paulswm | heh |
| 17:32.08 | jermy | tiefsee: That sounds painful |
| 17:32.19 | tiefsee | is there a way to recover some files? |
| 17:32.34 | tom74 | hi all. apt-build always ends with 'error while building <package>. Sorry, can't find <package>, is it already installed?' I did apt-get clean, apt-build clean-sources and apt-build clean-build. The web nor bts hold answers, though I'm not the only one with the problem |
| 17:32.40 | mentor | tiefsee: What kind of something happened? |
| 17:32.50 | mze | KimHansen_: thx, didnt know that site |
| 17:32.57 | valdyn_ | !unix lessons |
| 17:32.57 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 17:33.20 | bam | is there a way to get old packages in some _easy_ way? like i want to backpedal from spamassassin 3.0.2 in sarge to 2.6.4-1, and then pin it in apt to that version... etc. |
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| 17:33.32 | mentor | tiefsee: Please use full sentences and only hit enter when you are ready. It helps cut down on channel traffic and keep us sane. |
| 17:33.33 | mwilson | bam: No you don't. |
| 17:33.38 | bam | :( kthx |
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| 17:33.48 | magnus___ | Hi. Is there a way to setup a USB-device (mass-storage) to automagicaly become /dev/sdc when its plugged in? (if sdc is availible ofcourse) and not become the first availible (/dev/sda)? :] |
| 17:33.53 | HenryV | hah. i found it an opportunity to switch to dspam |
| 17:33.59 | Phated | paulswm: It's not like, her copy or anything. She bloody wrote it. :) |
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| 17:34.04 | mentor | mwilson: Maybe you could extrapolate why not...? |
| 17:34.24 | paulswm | Phated: yes, heh |
| 17:34.48 | jermy | magnus___: Are you using udev or devfs (or not sure)? |
| 17:34.52 | tiefsee | ok, linux fucked up (the first time i see something like this... it dieed like win95) as i try to mount a XFS-partition. |
| 17:34.58 | magnus___ | jermy: not sure :) |
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| 17:35.16 | jermy | magnus___: Kernel version? |
| 17:35.25 | magnus___ | jermy: 2.6.8 |
| 17:35.32 | tiefsee | this XFS-parition was on an other harddisk. |
| 17:35.35 | paulswm | tiefsee: I can't see how mounting an XFS partition would mess up your jfs partition |
| 17:35.39 | plansmash | hello y'all |
| 17:35.51 | paulswm | tiefsee: did you power down or something? |
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| 17:36.07 | tiefsee | paulswm: no no, you know - i try to mount the xfs-partition and then linux fucked up |
| 17:36.13 | tiefsee | since then nothing works |
| 17:36.25 | brynjarh | Does the nv driver have a web site? Or just some central point on the web where I can see it's development status and stuff? I'm having trouble finding any info at all except for it's manual. |
| 17:36.29 | tiefsee | i rebooted |
| 17:36.42 | magnus___ | jermy: sorry, gtg. |
| 17:36.44 | simonrvn | let's be more vague, shall we? |
| 17:36.49 | jdhutchin1 | tiefsee, what do you mean, 'linux fucked up'? |
| 17:36.57 | jdhutchin1 | kernel panic? |
| 17:37.04 | paulswm | tiefsee: what do you mean by "linux fucked up"? can you explain what you did and what actually happende (messages, etc)? |
| 17:37.08 | tiefsee | it crushed like beta version of windows 95 |
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| 17:37.09 | valdyn_ | brynjarh: dri.sourceforge.net .. maybe |
| 17:37.14 | tiefsee | everything stopped |
| 17:37.21 | tiefsee | without any messages |
| 17:37.30 | tiefsee | after 5-6 minutes i pressed the reboot-button |
| 17:37.32 | tiefsee | on my box |
| 17:37.35 | paulswm | tiefsee: so if everything stopped, how did you reboot |
| 17:37.43 | tiefsee | the reboot-button, paul |
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| 17:37.54 | paulswm | tiefsee: the reset button screwed up your partition then |
| 17:38.04 | tiefsee | maybe |
| 17:38.08 | paulswm | tiefsee: that's like hitting the power switch |
| 17:38.12 | tiefsee | i know |
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| 17:38.25 | tiefsee | but there was no other way |
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| 17:38.36 | HenryV | Is there a centralized package/configuration sync tool for multiple debian systems? |
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| 17:38.53 | mentor | tiefsee: OK...you should definately report a bug about the crash you experienced... |
| 17:39.05 | paulswm | tiefsee: I don't know how to recover a jfs filesystem, but I do know this: if you'd been using ext3 you would ahve been OK, almost certainly, worth bearing in mind for next time |
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| 17:39.13 | jlj | hm, is there any modern, graphical browser with a smaller memory footprint than firefox for linux? |
| 17:39.18 | mentor | tiefsee: As to recovering the data...You should probably take a backup copy of the partition and then try fsck or so on... |
| 17:39.27 | simonrvn | jfs is journalled |
| 17:39.40 | gravity | jlj: dillo |
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| 17:40.15 | tom74 | hi all. apt-build always ends with 'error while building <package>. Sorry, can't find <package>, is it already installed?' I did apt-get clean, apt-build clean-sources and apt-build clean-build. The web nor bts hold answers, though I'm not the only one with the problem. Any hints? |
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| 17:40.32 | tiefsee | mentor: how to take a backup-copy? i mean.. the supberbloc is dead |
| 17:40.36 | tiefsee | i can not mount it :( |
| 17:40.37 | paulswm | tiefsee: I use ext3 becuase I have experienced occasional problems where I have had to do the same thing (or even cut the power) and I have yet to lose anything at all. I know that's of no consolation to you. Do you have a backup? |
| 17:41.00 | mentor | tiefsee: Well...dd the partition to a backup file? |
| 17:41.02 | tiefsee | paulswm: it was a fresh system. only a day old |
| 17:41.03 | jlj | gravity: thanks, looks quite nice. i'll try that. |
| 17:41.06 | mentor | tiefsee: How large is the partition? |
| 17:41.06 | tiefsee | no important files |
| 17:41.19 | tiefsee | i think... about 200 MB? |
| 17:41.21 | paulswm | tiefsee: then just remake the filesystem |
| 17:41.22 | mentor | tiefsee: What Linux version were you using? |
| 17:41.33 | tiefsee | a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 17:41.37 | tiefsee | under debian linux |
| 17:41.59 | tiefsee | what do you mean with "remake"? |
| 17:42.28 | paulswm | tiefsee: start from scratch. Create a new filesystem on the partition. |
| 17:42.48 | tiefsee | but then all the data is gone |
| 17:43.03 | paulswm | tiefsee: you just said, "no important files" |
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| 17:43.28 | tiefsee | no important files, but some config-files which seemd to be... ... not very nice to write them again :) |
| 17:43.31 | paulswm | tiefsee: what was the filesysem (I mean, where was it mounted) |
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| 17:43.38 | tiefsee | JFS |
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| 17:44.01 | tiefsee | what filesystem i should take? is xfs better? |
| 17:44.15 | paulswm | tiefsee: no, I mean /home, or /usr, or / or whereever you had it mounted |
| 17:44.19 | valdyn_ | !better |
| 17:44.19 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 17:44.28 | psywar | hey if X stops showing certain text fonts, what's the likely culprit? |
| 17:44.28 | tiefsee | on the same harddisk |
| 17:44.28 | FieldySnuts | xfs is very nice but only if you have a good power backup (like a ups), it was designed for systems with good power backup. it's very agressive in caching to ram. |
| 17:44.37 | tiefsee | with sepperate partitions |
| 17:44.39 | FieldySnuts | real nasty results if you do lose power |
| 17:44.40 | valdyn_ | tiefsee: xfs is not better for *you* |
| 17:44.44 | tiefsee | but all in jfs |
| 17:44.55 | tiefsee | valdyn_ why for "me"? |
| 17:45.01 | paulswm | tiefsee: I've already recommended my preferrence: ext3 and explained why. Others will have different opinions. You'll need to decide for yourself |
| 17:45.03 | Herodes | is there any browser for TWM? |
| 17:45.22 | tiefsee | valdyn_: What do you mean? |
| 17:45.32 | caphuso | Herodes: any browser will work with twm |
| 17:45.45 | Herodes | caphuso: firefox? |
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| 17:45.55 | valdyn_ | tiefsee: that you dont want a filesystem like xfs if you have neither ups nor keep backups |
| 17:46.04 | caphuso | Herodes: is firefox a member of the "any browser" group? |
| 17:46.16 | paulswm | tiefsee, where was the partition mounted: the one you lost: what is the entry in /etc/fstab for it |
| 17:46.22 | tiefsee | valdyn_: The system was only a day old. i always take backups! |
| 17:46.33 | ruzbeh | soooo, apt-get is binary-only right? |
| 17:46.50 | paulswm | ruzbeh: what do you mean |
| 17:46.52 | tiefsee | paulswm: thats my problem. i can not access to the fstab-file |
| 17:46.54 | tdfc | is there a good subversion backport ? |
| 17:46.58 | tiefsee | because it is on the dead partition |
| 17:47.06 | ruzbeh | paulswm, dpkg can only install binaries? |
| 17:47.08 | tom74 | ruzbeh: use apt-build to build from sources |
| 17:47.21 | ruzbeh | hmmm |
| 17:47.26 | caphuso | or "apt-get source" |
| 17:47.27 | tdfc | ~subversion |
| 17:47.28 | apt | from memory, subversion is version control software. see http://subversion.tigris.org/ it aims to be a better CVS than CVS. |
| 17:47.35 | tdfc | ~backport subversion |
| 17:47.48 | caphuso | tdfc: /msg the bots |
| 17:47.52 | tdfc | ok |
| 17:48.09 | paulswm | tiefsee: OK, then you've lost root, you need to do a reinstall unless you can google for a way to recover files. Suggest you use ext3 in the future, this would not have happened to you |
| 17:48.12 | tom74 | caphuso: can apt-get source compile sources? |
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| 17:48.27 | caphuso | tom74: apt-get -b source foo |
| 17:48.41 | caphuso | but that's hardly useful |
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| 17:48.58 | harca | i have hda1 with reiserfs and some free space after this partition. I want to grow the hda1. I will use resize_reiserfs, but i need to make sure i unerstood the man page of resize_reiserfs. It says to use cfdisk to delete the partition an then recreate it. is it? dont i loose data by deleting partition on cfdisk? |
| 17:49.07 | tom74 | which brings me to my first question: apt-build always ends with 'error while building <package>. Sorry, can't find <package>, is it already installed?' I did apt-get clean, apt-build clean-sources and apt-build clean-build. The web nor bts hold answers, though I'm not the only one with the problem. Any hints? |
| 17:49.40 | dafresh | harca: of course yes |
| 17:49.42 | mwilson | You lose data by using Reiser. |
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| 17:49.51 | spaceman | having problems trying to launch x see http://channels.debian.net/paste/202 any help appreciated cheers |
| 17:49.52 | gravity | You also get herpes |
| 17:50.24 | Coke | gravity: no, that is NFS, when you distribute your files with a wide variation of people. |
| 17:50.27 | mwilson | There is no reason to use Reiser unless your data is utterly unimportant to you. |
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| 17:50.46 | paulswm | gravity: I'm sure that windoze spyware is much more like herpes, though |
| 17:50.52 | harca | i just want to reseize without loose data |
| 17:51.00 | caphuso | spaceman: those are just warnings and most likely not what prevents X from starting |
| 17:51.13 | harca | qtparted made some bad things on my partition and i needed to fsck it |
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| 17:52.07 | dafresh | harca: i think the better way is to backup your data, then delete / recreate your(s) partition(s) |
| 17:52.44 | mwilson | With some other filesystem. |
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| 17:53.21 | spaceman | caphuso: where would i find the errors? new user here |
| 17:53.24 | paulswm | harca: what dafresh and mwilson said. |
| 17:53.31 | tiefsee | paulswm: how do you recover files on ext3? |
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| 17:53.43 | caphuso | spaceman: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:54.00 | caphuso | tiefsee: you don't, if you have to ask how |
| 17:54.02 | paulswm | tiefsee: never had to, it has never broken, and I've tried to break it when I was testing it. |
| 17:54.31 | tiefsee | paulswm: it was the first time for me too, that a filesystem breaked |
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| 17:54.51 | tiefsee | it was the first time too, that linux crushed |
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| 17:54.58 | mwilson | Filesystems ALWAYS break. The question is what do you do about it when it happens, not IF it happens. |
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| 17:54.59 | caphuso | tiefsee: it involved manually looking through an image of the filesystem, with a disk or hex editor |
| 17:55.05 | Xenguy | tiefsee: this is one way we find out backups are our friend :-/ |
| 17:55.11 | caphuso | ^ved^ves |
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| 17:55.19 | valdyn_ | tiefsee: do you incidentally use an ide controller by silicon image? |
| 17:55.20 | Coke | What tool is most commonly used for produce manual pages? groff, docbook? |
| 17:55.21 | Kzim | hi |
| 17:55.34 | Coke | (amongst debianeers, that is) |
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| 17:55.49 | paulswm | tiefsee: mwilson has a good point. I have had problems with hardware dying, and have recovered onto new hardware from backups |
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| 17:55.58 | Kzim | i m frnech and i have ? in the middle of text in shell where there suposed to be something like é or à or ' etc ... ow can i change that please |
| 17:56.16 | Coke | Kzim: in console or X? |
| 17:56.26 | Xenguy | Kzim: dpkg-reconfigure locales (I think) |
| 17:56.27 | mwilson | This is why I started keeping anything important on RAID. |
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| 17:56.38 | mwilson | But I still do backups. |
| 17:56.51 | Kzim | Coke: console |
| 17:56.52 | tiefsee | i do not hava a Raid |
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| 17:57.09 | dafresh | npx: ?! |
| 17:57.12 | paulswm | tiefsee: but there is no doubt in my mind that ext3 is the only production-ready journalling filesystem on Linux. It is certainly not fast, but it is safe. |
| 17:57.14 | Xenguy | tiefsee: Raid is a nice-to-have; backups are a must-have |
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| 17:57.15 | tiefsee | because do not have enough harddisks for a raid |
| 17:57.22 | Kzim | i have fr_FR ISO-8859-1 |
| 17:57.26 | npx | I'm being an idiot, ignore me, thx. |
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| 17:57.40 | npx | like, literally go FOOM!? |
| 17:57.48 | tiefsee | it is an old computer. with two penitum II cpus |
| 17:57.49 | npx | cuz that'd be almost worth the data loss |
| 17:57.58 | tiefsee | an ide-raid is slow |
| 17:58.07 | paulswm | mwilson: I found myself taking a very hard look at what was actually important anyway, surprising how much accumulated junk can be thrown away. |
| 17:58.14 | mwilson | tiefsee: An IDE RAID isn't necessarily slow... it's in how you structure it. |
| 17:58.30 | tiefsee | mwilson: then tell me what i have to do |
| 17:58.33 | mwilson | clump: Well, that's just silly. |
| 17:58.43 | jermy | tiefsee: I have a RAID giving me over 100MB/s data. That's hardly slow! |
| 17:58.43 | mwilson | tiefsee: One drive per channel. |
| 17:58.51 | clump | in your opinion, mwilson |
| 17:58.54 | Kzim | Coke: no idea ? |
| 17:59.07 | mwilson | clump: It provides no safety. |
| 17:59.08 | tiefsee | channel = ide-cable? |
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| 17:59.24 | clump | mwilson, true but thats what backups are for |
| 17:59.38 | tiefsee | do you have any good links for raid-howtos? |
| 17:59.40 | mwilson | clump: Agreed, but why put / on RAID0? |
| 17:59.44 | tiefsee | because i am real new to that topic |
| 17:59.48 | clump | if you care about str and can back your data up, raid0 is fine |
| 17:59.49 | mwilson | clump: What would be the point? |
| 18:00.15 | paulswm | tiefsee: you don't have to use raid, if you are prepared to take backups. There are a variety of tools: dump, cp, cpio, tar, rsync, for instance. But the upshot is that you need to decide on a method of backing up, and have a destination for the backup |
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| 18:00.19 | Kzim | i m frnech and i have ? in the middle of text in shell where there suposed to be something like é or à or ' etc ... ow can i change that please :/ anyone ? |
| 18:00.20 | clump | mwilson to have both an exercise in software raid and of course, video editing |
| 18:00.29 | dafresh | tiefsee: you can also use LVM |
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| 18:00.44 | mwilson | clump: What does video editing have to do with putting / on RAID0? |
| 18:00.45 | clump | mwilson, but I see your point. I could just as well have only video editing stuff on a different partition |
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| 18:01.08 | tiefsee | i want to read something about .... installing a raid on my debian system |
| 18:01.13 | tiefsee | do you have any links? |
| 18:01.18 | tiefsee | i mean URLs |
| 18:01.20 | caphuso | tiefsee: tldp.org |
| 18:01.21 | project9 | what is blog /can it be build on linux server |
| 18:01.26 | npx | tiefsee http://www.google.com |
| 18:01.32 | tiefsee | npx: haha |
| 18:01.55 | paulswm | tiefsee: also, no need to back up what you can re install. For instance, no need to back up the basic / expect for /etc, and so on |
| 18:02.08 | paulswm | s/expect/except/ |
| 18:02.28 | clump | mwilson when I next rebuild my system I will not do / on raid0. The exercise was mainly "to see what happens". |
| 18:02.30 | tiefsee | i know the config-files, which are important |
| 18:02.34 | npx | It'd be cool if there were some easy, automated way to create a configuration package for all your installed applications |
| 18:02.36 | mwilson | Maybe parts of /var, if you're using a RDBMS. |
| 18:02.50 | mwilson | Or a web server. |
| 18:03.25 | npx | ultra-super-ambitious project which will probably not exist in my lifetime, but hey I'm daydreaming |
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| 18:03.43 | paulswm | tiefsee: if you had RAID, and you had the same situation as you just had, there is a chance that the mirror would have been messed up as well, RAID isn't magic |
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| 18:04.13 | mwilson | npx: Plenty of people keep /etc in CVS or similar |
| 18:04.17 | clump | thats a very important point, paulswm. People would do well to realize that. |
| 18:04.18 | tiefsee | i want to set up an ftp-server too. i did this very often, but now i think of using a raid |
| 18:04.38 | clump | RAID != backups |
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| 18:04.46 | tiefsee | i know |
| 18:05.12 | jermy | however RAID0 doesn't even give you the security of having a backup ;) |
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| 18:05.21 | npx | mwilson what I'm thinking of is a package containing all your configuration data that Depends: upon all of the relevant applications, so from a base debian install you could (in theory) install this package and it'd replicate the entire system |
| 18:05.24 | clump | jermy correct |
| 18:05.44 | clump | Thats not why us good backup/crazy people use it ;) |
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| 18:06.00 | Ikarus | Raid is great for one thing, dealing with HW failure |
| 18:06.05 | npx | Not that storing /etc in cvs is at all a bad idea, just not what I had in mind |
| 18:06.10 | Ikarus | which for me is the most common source of dataloss |
| 18:06.13 | jermy | I run a few systems with / on RAID1, then perhaps /home on RAID5 and some sort of /video on RAID0 |
| 18:06.35 | Ikarus | I run / and /home on raid 1, /media on raid 5 |
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| 18:06.58 | clump | jermy I think a /video or similar on RAID0 is a better idea for those who are curious about RAID0 |
| 18:06.59 | tiefsee | where ist the difference between RAID1 and RAID0 or RAID5... is this something like /hda1 2,3 |
| 18:07.09 | tiefsee | or a kind of a version |
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| 18:07.19 | Ikarus | tiefsee: you have a lot to learn young grasshopper |
| 18:07.27 | clump | jermy what block size/filesystem do you used for your RAID0? |
| 18:07.28 | jermy | clump: Sure. It's a great use for a 'scratch' partition |
| 18:07.37 | tiefsee | ikarus: hey, i am not a linux-guru |
| 18:07.41 | npx | tiefsee didn't use the google link? =P |
| 18:07.44 | jermy | actually. I don't using RAID0 in any prodution systems ;) |
| 18:07.45 | tiefsee | and i dont want to be |
| 18:07.53 | Ikarus | I also used to use raid 0 for temporary video editing file |
| 18:07.55 | npx | tiefsee really, there are a lot of really well written overviews of RAID available online |
| 18:07.56 | caphuso | spaceman: don't /msg me |
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| 18:07.56 | tiefsee | i'm a musican, you know |
| 18:08.02 | clump | lol |
| 18:08.03 | psywar | raid0 is concatenation, raid1 is mirroring, raid5 is sort of like parity |
| 18:08.06 | Ikarus | but I realised that redoing those takes days to weeks |
| 18:08.10 | paulswm | clump: yes, people sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that RAID and backups are mutually exclusive |
| 18:08.23 | FieldySnuts | @win paulswm |
| 18:08.25 | clump | paulswm... like ebay some years back ;) |
| 18:08.27 | ravenbird | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL cd's, a set of 120! |
| 18:08.29 | jermy | psywar: 'sort of like'? It's about as much parity as it gets :) |
| 18:08.34 | tiefsee | no, paul.. i knew that raid is no that kind of a backup |
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| 18:08.38 | Ikarus | paulswm: I luckily don't |
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| 18:09.11 | d3niz | Ikarus: can U help me about screenresolution becouse I have 640x480 and I have progeny debian |
| 18:09.11 | Ikarus | paulswm: but I do backup less with raid, because I never had software based destruction (only human error by other humans) |
| 18:09.27 | Ikarus | d3niz: no I can't, and isn't progeny commercial ? |
| 18:09.50 | clump | gents... appears nothing is broken in unstable? |
| 18:09.54 | d3niz | Ikaros aha ok |
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| 18:10.03 | paulswm | tiefsee: I wasn't criticizing you, just trying to make sure - you would be surprised at some of the things people do :) |
| 18:10.04 | psywar | jermy: I'm not so sure |
| 18:10.30 | jermy | clump: Anyway, if I wanted a scratch partition, I'd probably do ext2 |
| 18:10.40 | tiefsee | paulswm: ah ok. |
| 18:10.44 | paulswm | Ikarus: like the phrase "software based destruction" might use that, I'll attach a GPL licnece, of course |
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| 18:10.46 | clump | there is wisdom in ext2 for raid0 |
| 18:11.01 | ccg | how to summarize many .ps files to one ? |
| 18:11.05 | jermy | psywar: Well, it's a fairly simple xor parity system, although the parity blocks are rotated on different drives to avoid bottlenecks |
| 18:11.24 | Ikarus | paulswm: hehehehe :) |
| 18:11.37 | psywar | ccg: psnup |
| 18:11.40 | jermy | paulswm: PEBCAK? |
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| 18:11.54 | paulswm | jermy: :) |
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| 18:12.11 | jermy | paulswm: Just a suggestion. :) |
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| 18:12.27 | jermy | but mine does it too. And has problems with more difficult words, I've noticed |
| 18:12.37 | peppo | I removed "magicdev" because gnome-volume-manager required this. however, this fucked things up, so I reinstalled magicdev. now I have all sorts of auto detection problems. previously "ide-cd" was loaded automatically on boot, but now I had to put it in /etc/modules to be able to mount my dvd. since I know you're good at most everything, any pointers on what I might've fubared? |
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| 18:12.50 | paulswm | jermy: OK, I missed it, I thought you just typed nonsense, please enlighten me? |
| 18:12.53 | mwilson | Why would you need to mount a DVD? |
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| 18:13.27 | jermy | paulswm: Ah - I'm not sure of the correct for, but something like 'Problem Exists Between Chair and Keyboard' |
| 18:13.28 | tiefsee | mwilson: how was it called... that format data-DVDs used...? |
| 18:13.30 | peppo | mwilson, /dev/hda is my CD/DVD device. why I need it is not relevant! |
| 18:13.31 | tiefsee | uses |
| 18:13.35 | tiefsee | udf or so |
| 18:13.35 | jermy | s/for/form/ |
| 18:13.54 | peppo | mwilson, the issue is that stuff isn't being discovered/autodetected anymore!. snd-seq for example isn't being loaded |
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| 18:14.09 | Ikarus | PEBKAC errors cost more each year then hardware and software failures combined |
| 18:14.14 | Hezik | :P |
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| 18:14.20 | peppo | while it was before, before I installed gnome-volume-manager which had to remove magicdev |
| 18:14.24 | caphuso | spaceman: alright. go help yourself |
| 18:14.24 | mwilson | peppo: Sounds good to me. Personally, I have zero use for udev and don't allow it on any boxen I control. |
| 18:14.35 | Hezik | well here's another pebkac question.. i compiled a kernel and installed it according to the kernel HOWTO |
| 18:14.35 | tiefsee | peppo: mount /cdrom do not work, because theire is written down in /etc/fstab to use the wron filesystem |
| 18:14.36 | peppo | mwilson, ................ |
| 18:14.37 | paulswm | jermy: aaah, I personally use "The problem is located about three inches from your keyboard", or "you have the I-D-one zero-T error" |
| 18:14.45 | Hezik | now when i boot it, it sais: cannot mount root FS |
| 18:14.47 | tiefsee | you need to usw this... i forgot the name.. arg... udf... uds? ^^^ |
| 18:14.49 | peppo | tiefsee, eh? you're not understanding .sorry |
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| 18:14.53 | Hezik | I build ext3fs into the kernel |
| 18:14.58 | Hezik | anyone got any idea where to look? |
| 18:15.03 | peppo | tiefsee, it's an issue with modules. ide-cd has to be loaded first. but it isn't being loaded by the system |
| 18:15.06 | npx | On that note; does anyone know why gnome requires udev? |
| 18:15.10 | jermy | Ikarus: Indeed. I think we need redundancy to correct errors.... or is that the concept of Extreem Programming? |
| 18:15.17 | npx | That's easily the silliest thing I've seen a debian package require...ever |
| 18:15.24 | caphuso | spaceman: you, sir, are a genuine moron |
| 18:15.25 | jermy | er, Extreme. See, I said I had problems too |
| 18:15.26 | tiefsee | peppo: sorry, i only read this in the background |
| 18:15.33 | mwilson | npx: Because gnome-vfs wants it. |
| 18:15.52 | paulswm | Hezik: is it set up OK in your boot loader config |
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| 18:16.09 | spaceman | caphuso: yeah i wasnt looking in the channel |
| 18:16.24 | Hezik | paulswm: as far as i can see, it is.. it's set up exactly the same as the original kernel, only it misses the initrd |
| 18:16.31 | alindeman | Any channel operators about? |
| 18:16.36 | Hezik | the rest is exactly the same (offcourse it uses another kernel) |
| 18:16.41 | npx | mwilson that's insane. |
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| 18:16.52 | mwilson | npx: No, that's Gnomecrap. |
| 18:16.56 | paulswm | Hezik: and you compiled IDE support into the kernel as well, right |
| 18:16.57 | Ikarus | jermy: well, I think the best solution against PEBKAC is to make using the system so hard they have to think |
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| 18:17.14 | npx | Why do they not just use loopback filesystems (supported on every major unix, aren't they?) |
| 18:17.23 | npx | all the BSDs, for sure, linux, solaris I think... |
| 18:17.29 | Hezik | paulswm: yes i did.. though i must say, i boot from a SIL3112 SATA controller.. and i did enable the only SIL option i could find in the config |
| 18:17.30 | mwilson | npx: Gnome has this idea that it's something more than just a shell, and has some sort of business screwing with I/O. |
| 18:17.42 | mwilson | npx: KDE does, too. |
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| 18:17.59 | paulswm | npx: Im using gnome without udev but I am using devfs and running sarge |
| 18:18.10 | Ikarus | jermy: either that or provide that same interface on the ATM machine so they will feel the mistake in their wallet |
| 18:18.18 | jermy | Ikarus: There are parts of linux where I believe this already exists :) |
| 18:18.22 | jermy | yeah |
| 18:18.22 | spaceman | caphuso: chill out a bit just look for some help |
| 18:18.29 | mwilson | I was surprised the other day when i downloaded a current d-i and found it was using devfs. |
| 18:18.29 | paulswm | Hezik: which boot loader are you using |
| 18:18.37 | Hezik | paulswm: I'm using grub |
| 18:18.41 | mwilson | Not udev, but devfs. |
| 18:18.42 | jermy | "wanted to a list a directory, did we? Well - it'll cost ya..." |
| 18:18.43 | npx | That _is_ surprising |
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| 18:19.09 | npx | What the hell is wrong with a static /dev? Is there something I'm missing? |
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| 18:19.32 | mwilson | Of course, it was still crap, so I used it for what I needed (a rescue disc) then tossed it in the trash. |
| 18:19.38 | Hezik | only thing i'm not sure off.. i need 'libata' and sil_ata to compile.. anyone know which options i need to enable for that? I did offcourse enable ata support and the only sil thing I could find (sais it's support for the sil3112) |
| 18:19.42 | jermy | mwilson: I thought the debian policy was to stay with devfs for sarge? |
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| 18:19.54 | paulswm | Hezik: so you got round the problem by booting the previous kernel (i.e. not your new one)? |
| 18:19.58 | jermy | npx: It looks ugly ;) |
| 18:20.01 | mwilson | npx: You can't be a member of the my-dev-is-emptier-than-yours d*ck-waving club. |
| 18:20.10 | Hezik | paulswm: correct, this is my old kernel i'm using now |
| 18:20.13 | mwilson | jermy: I have no idea. |
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| 18:20.20 | nyetzsche | I've got C code that #includes <stl.h>... what is the proper way to tell autoconf/Makefiles that it's in /usr/include/g++-v3/? that's apparently not in the standard search path for include files... |
| 18:20.27 | npx | mwilson only udev doesn't result in a noticably smaller /dev by default =( |
| 18:20.29 | nyetzsche | I think this is debian-specific |
| 18:20.43 | mwilson | jermy: I don't see any reason why an installer should use either one, but then again, I'm not insane. |
| 18:21.06 | jermy | mwilson: Well true. I like the promise of udev, though |
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| 18:21.18 | jermy | but I'd rather everybody managed to stick to a single system |
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| 18:21.22 | mwilson | npx: Sure it does. The udev maintainer, being insane, moves your existing /dev away, then recreates a minimal one that's missing everythign important. |
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| 18:21.44 | paulswm | Hezik: I don't know then, it seems as though you are missing *something* which should be compiled-in, provided your grub line is OK. |
| 18:21.57 | npx | mwilson But then he proceeds to create all the nodes in a new, intriguing format that I'm unfamiliar with, then creates symlinks to be backwards compatible |
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| 18:22.15 | Ikarus | npx: the new format is the same one devfs uses iirc |
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| 18:22.19 | paulswm | Hezik: I presume you used your stock-kernel config as a baseline for your new kernel |
| 18:22.26 | Hezik | paulswm: i think i might have found it, or at least know where the problem resides |
| 18:22.39 | jermy | mwilson: But, on a recent udev install of mine, I was expecting it to be largely empty, but it's mostly filled up with tty and pty links. Even though I'm using devpts! |
| 18:22.50 | mwilson | npx: No, actually I think Marco got his head handed to him when he spouted off about how his udev packages were going to use the idiotic devfs naming scheme... now they use the normal one by default. |
| 18:22.58 | paulswm | Hezik: well, you have to tell, because now I'm wondering :) |
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| 18:23.20 | Hezik | paulswm: in the kernel config, under 'ata.. etc' there is an option 'sata' support. The help sais not to use it, but to use the lib_sata which should be in the SCSI subsytem.. however i don't see it there or know which item to select |
| 18:23.32 | npx | mwilson it's certainly not the normal one |
| 18:23.35 | jermy | There's a udev config file for devfs-style names, or standard udev.conf for 'normal' names |
| 18:23.56 | paulswm | Hezik: thanks for the explanation, but now you're beyond me because I don't use SATA |
| 18:23.59 | npx | As of last month or so, udev gave me a totally wierd /dev |
| 18:24.02 | Hezik | ah ok |
| 18:24.14 | npx | and a bunch of symlinks to make it look normal |
| 18:24.17 | mwilson | At one point I was going to ask whyinhell d-i was using devfs, then realized that I didn't care since I was never going to use it anyway. |
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| 18:24.34 | quantum_mechanic | hi |
| 18:24.36 | Hezik | i think it's in the fact that i built the scsi support as modular.. am i correct in saying that if you build the drivers for your bootdrive as modular, that you need a initrd to boot? |
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| 18:24.44 | gravity | mwilson: Hysterical raisins |
| 18:24.45 | npx | mwilson have you actually tried configuring hotplug/discover? |
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| 18:25.01 | gravity | mwilson: It'll be moving to udev pretty much immediately post-sarge |
| 18:25.03 | paulswm | Hezik: sorry I couldn't help, I move stuff around all the time on my system, so I'm pretty much a whiz at boot stuff, but I'm a SATA know-nothing |
| 18:25.09 | valdyn_ | Hezik: correct |
| 18:25.22 | mwilson | gravity: Begging the question of why an installer needs to use either one, of course. |
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| 18:25.31 | Hezik | valdyn_: ok, then i have located my problem.. paulswm and valdyn thanks for the help :) |
| 18:25.39 | mwilson | npx: I would never allow discover on any box I controlled. |
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| 18:25.43 | wibblewobble | hi, just wondering if anyone has any experience with the sarge debian installer and megaraid (netraid) devices? |
| 18:25.46 | paulswm | Hezik: yw, glad you found it |
| 18:25.57 | npx | mwilson it's painful =/ |
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| 18:26.00 | mwilson | npx: The discover packages are broken by design. |
| 18:26.06 | paolo | Hi guys! What rss news aggregator for gnome do we have in debian? |
| 18:26.09 | Hezik | one last question tho.. is there an easy way to build the initrd, or would it just be easier to recompile the kernel? |
| 18:26.23 | gravity | paolo: Both straw and liferea |
| 18:26.26 | gravity | paolo: I use the latter |
| 18:26.37 | npx | I wouldn't mind it so much if the configuration file were more sane (something similar to sysv style init scripts, but for hardware detection, would be ideal for me) |
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| 18:26.58 | paolo | gravity: I saw that liferea is at 0.6 version. Is it usable? |
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| 18:27.07 | gravity | paolo: I use it. It's got some bugs, but it's fine |
| 18:27.26 | jermy | mwilson: It's neat for aggregating news stuff, if you like that sort of thing |
| 18:27.37 | mwilson | npx: I know perfectly well what hardware is in the box, there is no need whatsoever for boot-time hardware detection. All discover and friends do is fsck things up. |
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| 18:27.50 | Ikarus | mwilson: exactly |
| 18:28.00 | mwilson | npx: You can make a small case for install-time detection. A *very* small case. |
| 18:28.10 | gravity | Oh yes... *very* small |
| 18:28.29 | gravity | That's why every single review of Debian's install process from the last 5 years demanded hardware autodetection |
| 18:28.37 | gravity | And a zillion users asked for it |
| 18:28.45 | gravity | And a zillion people gave us kudos for putting it in to d-i |
| 18:28.49 | gravity | Yes, *very* small |
| 18:28.57 | gravity | In fact, you're the only one who I've seen speak against it |
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| 18:29.01 | mwilson | gravity: Ah, and if it actually worked, it might be useful. |
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| 18:29.08 | gravity | mwilson: Hint: It does |
| 18:29.12 | Ikarus | I speak against it, it keeps fucking up my systems |
| 18:29.21 | gravity | mwilson: As evidence, go check the install reports on -boot |
| 18:29.24 | gravity | We've got a lot of 'em |
| 18:29.26 | Ikarus | CMD640 IDE, lets poke all it's ports, *poof* |
| 18:29.28 | nowhite_ | am i the only one that have huge fonts in the mozilla toolbar? |
| 18:29.29 | gravity | Ikarus: File a bug |
| 18:29.30 | npx | mwilson I'd like to be able to take my hard drive out of this machine and put it in a removable chassis, then plug it into the USB port on a laptop and boot it and have everything automagically detected |
| 18:29.32 | npx | that'd be cool |
| 18:29.34 | Ikarus | Weird VIA chipset, *poof* |
| 18:29.36 | Ikarus | etc |
| 18:29.39 | mwilson | gravity: Remember that bog-standard 440BX motherboard I have? A current d-i daily *still* fscks up when it tries to detect its IDE. |
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| 18:29.57 | nowhite_ | im using debian sarge |
| 18:29.59 | paulswm | paolo: I think that thunderbird also reads RSS feeds, might not be what you want, just a bit of trivia |
| 18:30.02 | gravity | mwilson: You still havne't filed a bug report on it, yet have you? |
| 18:30.07 | mwilson | gravity: And of course you STILl can't ignore hardware detect for potentially dangerous devices. |
| 18:30.07 | gravity | These things don't fix themselves |
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| 18:30.11 | mwilson | Sure I have. |
| 18:30.18 | mwilson | It got dismissed. |
| 18:30.27 | LinuxGuy | anybody know a good exim howto? |
| 18:30.30 | gravity | dismissed? |
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| 18:30.59 | npx | On the topic of IDE, what's up with 2.6 kernels trying to load every IDE module? |
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| 18:31.12 | mwilson | Never mind that the current 2.4.28 kernel that's running on it works perfectly and has no problems with the IDE. |
| 18:31.28 | gravity | Discover is a very thin layer |
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| 18:31.51 | mwilson | When I was using the d-i disc as a rescue disc the other night, I had to open the case and remove the Promise controller or else the d-i disc wouldn't even finish booting. |
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| 18:32.08 | Ikarus | gravity: the thing is, I never had a problem with manually selecting my hardware for an install (something I do once ever 4 years per PC or so) |
| 18:32.30 | mwilson | Ikarus: I'd have no objections if you could just turn the damn thing OFF. |
| 18:32.40 | Ikarus | mwilson: exactly |
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| 18:32.45 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi, |
| 18:32.49 | gravity | Ikarus: You are in the minority there though |
| 18:32.56 | OpenReal | if I image my 73gb drive, but only 2 gigs are used will the image be 2gig or 73 |
| 18:32.57 | WiFiTux | Is someone here a good courier-imap user/pro? I can't get get it to work. Everything else works. |
| 18:32.58 | jermy | mwilson: Can you not start d-i with devfs=nomount? |
| 18:33.02 | Tweak`TG-Owner | I can ssh into my machine but I cant ping out from it, is this becuase of my dns? |
| 18:33.13 | npx | If IBM or some other major company stepped up to the plate and said "We're going to make automatic hardware detection work, and we're going to do it right, cost is no issue." It might happen. |
| 18:33.20 | Ikarus | gravity: getting it for free seems to help |
| 18:33.23 | paulswm | mwilson: you are exactly right, the option to turn it off would be great, and average users can still use it |
| 18:33.26 | jermy | Tweak`TG-Owner: Possibly. Can you ping IP addresses? |
| 18:33.27 | mwilson | gravity: Somehow I think a server-class Intel motherboard isn't crap hardware. |
| 18:33.35 | Ikarus | gravity: also the CMD640 is a great way of fucking up software |
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| 18:33.37 | npx | The 440BX is legendary =/ |
| 18:33.40 | tarzeau | gravity: i manage that too! |
| 18:33.41 | Ikarus | gravity: many OS's blow up on it |
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| 18:33.48 | cadu | hi! |
| 18:33.49 | Laney | is there any way that i can stop the nameserver in resolv.conf from being modified back to 192.168.0.1? |
| 18:33.50 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jermy yes how do I setup a dns? |
| 18:33.54 | paulswm | OpenReal: with what are you imaging it |
| 18:33.57 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jermy I mean point to a dns? |
| 18:34.01 | tarzeau | Laney: kill dhclient ? |
| 18:34.01 | OpenReal | I dont know yet |
| 18:34.15 | OpenReal | I have never imaged a drive before, i want to back my drive to a dvd |
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| 18:34.23 | paulswm | OpenReal: you are imaging the entire drive, or just partitons? |
| 18:34.26 | Laney | k! |
| 18:34.29 | jermy | you'll want to put your ISPs DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:34.33 | mwilson | gravity: There is no reason why expert mode should not be able to bypass the hardware detect. Why is the d-i team so resistant to the idea? |
| 18:34.39 | Tweak`TG-Owner | ok thanks |
| 18:34.42 | OpenReal | right now there is only the /mount point on one partition |
| 18:34.46 | gravity | mwilson: Just write a patch to do it |
| 18:34.51 | OpenReal | but I want the MBR and all to be backed up |
| 18:34.53 | npx | mwilson I think it's because it's antithetical to the majority of their development efforts |
| 18:34.56 | jermy | Laney: You've probably got some ppp-down thing modifying it? |
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| 18:35.03 | mwilson | gravity: I was told it wouldn't be accepted. |
| 18:35.07 | gravity | mwilson: By who? |
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| 18:35.14 | cadu | OpenReal: have u ever used "dd" ? :) |
| 18:35.25 | Ikarus | OpenReal: partimage |
| 18:35.31 | heviarti | anyone here know how i'd go about making a bunch of pngs into a pdf? |
| 18:35.33 | mwilson | gravity: I disremember... I have the e-mail around here somewhere. |
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| 18:35.43 | OpenReal | neither, just point me in the right direction and I can read up on it from there |
| 18:35.45 | mwilson | gravity: It was a while ago. |
| 18:35.47 | gravity | ok |
| 18:35.54 | paulswm | OpenReal: it depends on your software. For instance, if you use ntfsclone to image an ntfs partition, it will create a sparse file (i.e. it will only save what's in use) |
| 18:36.05 | Tweak`TG-Owner | jermy do I need to restart anything to make it see the new dns ips? |
| 18:36.06 | OpenReal | ok, fs is ext3 |
| 18:36.07 | npx | mwilson Imagine yuo just spent 6 months hacking d-i with the goal of automatic hw detection in mind, and some guy e-mails you, tells you it sucks ass |
| 18:36.12 | helpmeplz | hey all, im having a problem with kdm, not a fatal error or anything but I think its making it run slower. I have a number of WARNING: Icon Directory .... not valid statements. Anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 18:36.21 | Ikarus | OpenReal: partimage does the same for FAT, FAT32, ext/2, ext/3 |
| 18:36.24 | gravity | npx: Hey, I hear it all the time in here |
| 18:36.27 | gravity | What else is new |
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| 18:36.37 | helpmeplz | omg npx do you ever sleep :O |
| 18:36.39 | OpenReal | but what size will the image be and is imaging the best way to back up? |
| 18:36.40 | paulswm | OpenReal: google and read about backing up, it's almost an entire discipline all by itself |
| 18:36.45 | jermy | Tweak`TG-Owner: Nope. Just try pinging something |
| 18:36.45 | gravity | Given all the postitive feedback we've had for it though, it's relatively easy to ignore |
| 18:36.48 | npx | Sleep is overrated |
| 18:36.49 | heviarti | anyone? PDFs? |
| 18:37.00 | OpenReal | paulswm: thanks I was just looking for how to do it the debian way |
| 18:37.06 | helpmeplz | npx: :) |
| 18:37.10 | gravity | heviarti: Print them to a file as postscript and then use ps2pdf to convert them |
| 18:37.11 | OpenReal | paulswm: just a nudge in the right direction |
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| 18:37.26 | jermy | heviarti: Not sure. You might be able to export stuff to ps or pdf through gimp |
| 18:37.33 | mwilson | gravity: There is no way for me to NOT get stuck with endless "hdX: lost interrupt" messages when booting d-i on this motherboard, simply because I can't stop it from loading its broken Promise driver. That's WRONG. |
| 18:37.35 | paulswm | OpenReal: no one way, you could use dump, or rsync, or tar, or just plain old cp or mirrordir |
| 18:37.40 | jermy | heviarti: But what gravity says should work too :) |
| 18:37.42 | Laney | jermy: i think it might be happening when the dhcp lease gets renewed |
| 18:37.50 | heviarti | gravity: i have to make it a multi page pdf |
| 18:37.58 | gravity | mwilson: So it's the promise driver itself that's broken? That's a kernel issue |
| 18:37.58 | OpenReal | paulswm: thanks man |
| 18:38.00 | jermy | Laney: Curious |
| 18:38.02 | heviarti | gravity: I've scanned each one as a png |
| 18:38.02 | paulswm | OpenReal: I don filesystems copies with rsync, but if you are using ext2 or ext3 dump is good |
| 18:38.18 | zaph^ | i cant unload modules (neither rmmod or modprobe -r) on my thinkpad x30. it keeps saying FATAL: Kernel does not have unload support. but I've compiled it with unload support (and force) many times now, with 4 different kernels(2.6.10, 9, 8 and 4) anyone got a clue what todo? going nuts over this problem now |
| 18:38.19 | helpmeplz | is there a debian icon package, i have hundreds of errors for icons in my kdm.log |
| 18:38.22 | gravity | heviarti: You could use OpenOffice.org I guess, and put them all in one document, then export it to pdf |
| 18:38.23 | OpenReal | yes the guy who helped me install phpgroupware said to dump the drive but I wasnt sure exactly what he was atlking about |
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| 18:38.29 | mwilson | gravity: I have no idea what's wrong with d-i's kernel... I've been running kernels since 2.4.23 on this motherboard with no problems. |
| 18:38.33 | LinuxGuy | is there much differene between exim and postfix? |
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| 18:38.44 | npx | gravity I appreciate the direction d-i is going in and all the effort being put into it, but I agree with mwilson in that there should be more fine-grained control over what's going on |
| 18:38.52 | mwilson | gravity: Not saying that I had a problem before .23, either... that's just the earliest I've ever run on it. |
| 18:38.56 | gravity | npx: Write the patch and send it |
| 18:38.58 | heviarti | i was hoping to avoid the 80 meg download |
| 18:38.59 | paulswm | OpenReal: there is also a complete backup-to-cd tool called mondo, you might start there, you might like it |
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| 18:39.08 | mwilson | No, that's not true either... I started with Woody on that box and Woody is 2.4.18 |
| 18:39.10 | RolandU | what's the default password for the postgres-user? |
| 18:39.16 | npx | and you should always be able to alt+f2 over to a console and take care of business there (even install the system by hand if you want) |
| 18:39.21 | gravity | You can |
| 18:39.23 | OpenReal | paulswm: nice that is excatly what I was looking for |
| 18:39.23 | mwilson | But it wasn't there long enough to draw a deep breath. |
| 18:39.24 | OpenReal | thanks |
| 18:39.25 | gravity | The console is there |
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| 18:40.01 | cadu | mwilson: if something doesn't work for you , try to fix , if you don't have the skills , don't use it....destructive criticism isn't needed here |
| 18:40.12 | npx | gravity I've never used d-i |
| 18:40.14 | cadu | mwilson: or you can e-mail the autor with some suggestions |
| 18:40.34 | gravity | npx: Then what the hell are you talking about? |
| 18:40.35 | paulswm | OpenReal: I suddenly had this psychic experience: "he wnats mondo, you fool" :) |
| 18:40.36 | mwilson | gravity: The point is, I *know* the kernel d-i uses has a problem, but I can't work around it because I can't stop it from loading the module. |
| 18:40.42 | paulswm | s/wnats/wants/ |
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| 18:40.53 | OpenReal | lol |
| 18:40.56 | mwilson | gravity: As soon as it sees the controller... bang... I'm dead in the water. |
| 18:41.00 | npx | gravity I was talking about udev's suckage |
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| 18:41.09 | jermy | RolandU: By default the account does not have a proper password set |
| 18:41.10 | gravity | npx: We don't even use udev. Geez... |
| 18:41.15 | LinuxGuy | helllllllllllllo |
| 18:41.16 | npx | gravity I didn't say you did! |
| 18:41.16 | paulswm | hey i run x and gnome and my keyboard keeps misspelling should i switch to kde kthx |
| 18:41.17 | LinuxGuy | ? |
| 18:41.24 | gravity | mwilson: I agree that you should be able to disable it. I'm surprised someone said they wouldn't accept the patch |
| 18:41.35 | heviarti | freakin 80 meg |
| 18:41.40 | Ringo999 | ok. now debian is running with gnome. works fine. but how to i get the sound to work? i got a soundblaster 16 bit pci card. how can i check if it works or anything? |
| 18:41.43 | npx | gravity No need to be so defensive, I wasn't at all trying to bag on d-i |
| 18:41.45 | RolandU | jermy, so I should be able to log in without entering a password? |
| 18:41.49 | gravity | LinuxGuy: exim and postfix are functionally essentially the same thing |
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| 18:42.01 | gravity | LinuxGuy: Featurewise they're fine. What you use is up to you and your tastes |
| 18:42.09 | paulswm | the is a whole faq on sound somewhere isn't there |
| 18:42.12 | jermy | RolandU: No, but you should be able to 'su postgres' from root |
| 18:42.13 | gravity | !tell Ringo999 about audio |
| 18:42.18 | mwilson | gravity: d-i can do no wrong. You expouse that attitude yourself on occasion. |
| 18:42.27 | paulswm | !beer gravity |
| 18:42.28 | jermy | then add another user or table or similar |
| 18:42.38 | gravity | mwilson: It can and does do wrong, but that's a crap excuse |
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| 18:42.45 | jermy | RolandU: I'm not sure if this is the 'right' way to do things, but it's what I've done in the end ;) |
| 18:42.48 | gravity | mwilson: It's like anything else. If you contribute, you get to have a say. |
| 18:42.55 | gravity | mwilson: Otherwise, you're just complaining |
| 18:43.10 | gravity | mwilson: You have the knowledge to help with the problem but you refuse to use it. You just whine |
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| 18:43.35 | paulswm | @gravity++ |
| 18:43.38 | Ringo999 | gravity: thx, but its a sage version, does it make a difference? |
| 18:43.41 | ant[tm] | im gonna paste censored |
| 18:43.46 | gravity | Ringo999: Did you use d-i to install? |
| 18:43.48 | ant[tm] | <censored> |
| 18:43.49 | mwilson | gravity: I help. I make bug reports. I don't make bug reports against d-i because they get ignored or dismissed. |
| 18:44.07 | gravity | mwilson: The d-i team has sent out requests to help triage install-reports. |
| 18:44.10 | Ringo999 | gravity: d-i? |
| 18:44.17 | RolandU | is it save to set a password for the postgres-user or will I have to change some config-files then? Is there by default anything that automatically runs using user postgres? |
| 18:44.17 | gravity | Ringo999: The sarge installer |
| 18:44.33 | Vunzz | Hi |
| 18:44.34 | gravity | Ringo999: Tell you what, just type "groups" in to a console and see if you're in the audio group |
| 18:44.53 | paulswm | RolandU: the postmaster runs as postgres |
| 18:44.54 | Vunzz | I have a problem booting 4 the first time after fresh install |
| 18:45.10 | paulswm | RolandU: you shouldn't use postgres as a login |
| 18:45.12 | mwilson | What is "4"? |
| 18:45.25 | Vunzz | for... :-D |
| 18:45.29 | gravity | ugh |
| 18:45.33 | mwilson | Then SAY "for". |
| 18:45.42 | RolandU | paulswm, so should I create a postgres-user for me? |
| 18:45.48 | Vunzz | sorry for that |
| 18:45.54 | LinuxGuy | does anyone have any preference for postfix over exim? |
| 18:45.56 | paulswm | RolandU: just use your normal login |
| 18:45.56 | gravity | One thing that I will enjoy is that when sarge is out, there'll be less confusion. Anyone asking for install help will be using d-i and we can just make that assumption |
| 18:46.03 | gravity | LinuxGuy: I like postfix better |
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| 18:46.16 | gravity | Vunzz: How did you install? |
| 18:46.16 | paulswm | RolandU: read the postgres docs for how to do permissions |
| 18:46.21 | jermy | RolandU: Yup - only su to postgres for creating users/databases or repairing things. Otherwise, you should use other users for particular databases |
| 18:46.23 | Ringo999 | gravity: this is what i get -> fg(my username) dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 18:46.26 | mwilson | gravity: You wouldn't have the problem now if you weren't pushing d-i on everyone that breathes. |
| 18:46.29 | LinuxGuy | are there any postfix howtos withOUT mysql? |
| 18:46.34 | Vunzz | I used sarge |
| 18:46.35 | LinuxGuy | it is only a small mail server |
| 18:46.45 | gravity | mwilson: I just want to release. boot-floppies was a zombie. |
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| 18:46.53 | Vunzz | 2 |
| 18:46.57 | npx | c'mon guys chill out, group hugs |
| 18:47.00 | mwilson | gravity: yes, but bf just worked. |
| 18:47.08 | Ringo999 | gravity: so i am in audio. now what? |
| 18:47.13 | gravity | Ringo999: Ok, open up a program that plays music or something, like xmms |
| 18:47.28 | npx | d-i will eventually just work, keep the faith |
| 18:47.31 | gravity | LinuxGuy: Please don't message me |
| 18:47.34 | gravity | LinuxGuy: Read /topic |
| 18:47.34 | Vunzz | The system hangs after prompting "real time clockdrievr v1.12" |
| 18:47.35 | LinuxGuy | sorry |
| 18:47.43 | RolandU | jermy, ok, thats what I needed to know |
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| 18:47.49 | gravity | LinuxGuy: No, I just used the postfix docs |
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| 18:48.01 | gravity | LinuxGuy: And for tls, I googled postfix tls, and there's a good howto out there |
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| 18:48.23 | OpenReal | whats the tag to have apt-get install recomended and suggest packages as well? |
| 18:48.25 | Ringo999 | gravity: well i got rhythmbox. but i think i have to install mp3 plugin first dont i (to play mp3)? |
| 18:48.29 | RolandU | but the postgresql-users are not independent from the system-users, right? |
| 18:48.38 | gravity | Ringo999: This is Debian. We don't do that mp3 plugin bullshit |
| 18:48.46 | mwilson | Personally, I'll use d-i once... to do a minimal sarge install on a clean HD, then tar it up and park it somewhere. If I need one, just untar it onto a new HD. |
| 18:48.47 | paulswm | heh |
| 18:48.52 | Ringo999 | gravity: playing mp3 i get /dev/dsp does not exist |
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| 18:49.11 | gravity | Ringo999: You don't have your audio driver loaded. |
| 18:49.16 | joefso | How do I compile a static program |
| 18:49.36 | Gathond | joefso: you dont:) you link it statically :) |
| 18:49.36 | jermy | RolandU: Not necessarily |
| 18:49.40 | Ringo999 | gravity: so what do i do? |
| 18:50.17 | gravity | Ringo999: Well, if you know what soundcard you've got you can go googling around for the right module to load |
| 18:50.26 | gravity | Ringo999: Then just modprobe it |
| 18:50.27 | spaceman | how do i reconfigure x server display settings at cmd prompt or what util do i launch |
| 18:50.45 | mwilson | gravity: In d-i's defense, just about everything that pretends to do hardware detection fails on this motherboard. I think it's a basic failing in the tools. |
| 18:50.48 | Ringo999 | gravity: yeah should be a simple soundblaster 16bit pci... |
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| 18:50.58 | npx | Ringo999 or instead of using modprobe to load it, use modconf (it'll load automatically when you reboot) |
| 18:51.04 | gravity | mwilson: That's weird, because, realistically, discover is extremely thin |
| 18:51.07 | gravity | There's so little to it |
| 18:51.10 | chealer | spaceman: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:51.15 | gravity | I don't know about hotplug though |
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| 18:51.39 | mwilson | gravity: You want to really watch something die in agony, you try booting Crappix on this thing. |
| 18:51.41 | Ringo999 | npx: what exactly should i google for though? |
| 18:51.47 | Vegar | How do I make dnsmasq send DNS servers other than itself to the dhcp clients? |
| 18:51.52 | jermy | paulswm: Indeed. PG is certainly a nice system |
| 18:51.57 | npx | helpmeplz ask in channel please |
| 18:51.58 | jermy | once it's set up :) |
| 18:51.59 | tom74 | apt-build always ends with 'error while building <package>. Sorry, can't find <package>, is it already installed?' I did apt-get clean, apt-build clean-sources and apt-build clean-build. The web nor bts hold answers, though I'm not the only one with the problem. Any hints? |
| 18:52.00 | RolandU | jermy, so, I just need to enter my username without password, but only I can access it? |
| 18:52.02 | helpmeplz | ok |
| 18:52.03 | mwilson | gravity: It can't deal with the Promise card in there either. |
| 18:52.17 | gravity | mwilson: It sounds like the promise card doesn't do well with probing |
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| 18:52.24 | mwilson | Vegar: There's no reason to do that. |
| 18:52.30 | gravity | Ringo999: Your sound card's name and linux |
| 18:52.35 | Vegar | mwilson: Why not? |
| 18:52.35 | npx | gravity realistically - hotplug needs an overhaul (at the very least, in terms of it's configuration files) |
| 18:52.38 | gravity | Ringo999: If that fails, use your google-skillz |
| 18:52.45 | gravity | npx: Agreed. I hate the thing |
| 18:52.58 | mwilson | gravity: The kernel itself has no problem. |
| 18:53.04 | gravity | Sadly, it is the future. If you think discover's bad, you haven't messed with hotplug seriously |
| 18:53.17 | jermy | RolandU: Well, logging on is controlled in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf |
| 18:53.20 | helpmeplz | Im getting a number of "kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor group 48x48/stock/text not valid" messages in my kdm.log |
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| 18:53.25 | npx | I mean I'm a fairly experienced *nix user, and hotplug had me just *ACHING* to break out rm -fr |
| 18:53.32 | helpmeplz | but they are for all the different icons |
| 18:53.46 | mwilson | The only thing I've done with hotplug is mess with it to unbreak it so that it didn't try to mess with sound or video or anything other than USB. |
| 18:53.53 | gravity | mwilson: Well, it's not like discover doesn't go through the kernel to do what it does |
| 18:54.10 | gravity | It basically just looks for pci devices then matches the right module to it using its own database |
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| 18:54.25 | gravity | Like I said, pretty thin |
| 18:54.30 | mwilson | gravity: <shrug> let discover run, box is fscked up. Boot kernel normally, box works normally. Draw your own conclusions. |
| 18:54.41 | jermy | RolandU: If you google for pg_hba.conf, you'll find the Postgres Docs which are quite handy |
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| 18:55.05 | spaceman | chealer: thx man :D |
| 18:55.12 | mwilson | The idea that you need boot-time hardware detect for anything other than USB is laughable. |
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| 18:56.16 | mwilson | So I took steps to ensure that was all hotplug was doing. |
| 18:56.16 | OpenReal | peace |
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| 18:56.48 | spl0it | I can't seem to unmount my cdrom drive..its currently showing all ????? on the cd... and I can't unmount it except trying umount -l /cdrom but when I remount it its still all garbage and umount -f /cdrom doesn't work.. any suggestions??? |
| 18:56.51 | davi | What command must I execute to create a SSL certificate to use with apache-ssl ? |
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| 18:57.08 | spunout | bugs.debian.org just worked well for me... helped me put the buttons back on synaptic. |
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| 18:57.16 | RolandU | jermy: one last question: why are there tables in my newly created database? |
| 18:57.20 | mwilson | People still use synaptic? |
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| 18:57.32 | npx_ | kpackage is the way of the future! =D |
| 18:57.33 | spunout | mwilson, why not? |
| 18:57.35 | mwilson | I thought the aptitude disease had infected everyone. |
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| 18:58.05 | spunout | synaptic works for me. does what i want. |
| 18:58.21 | Ikarus | aptitude, urgh, apt-get apt-cache works for me :P |
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| 18:59.07 | jermy | RolandU: What like? |
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| 18:59.10 | davi | npx_, kpackage :P |
| 18:59.19 | abrotman | http://www.trials-shack.co.uk/posting.html <-- funny flash |
| 18:59.36 | gravity | Ugh... I remember kpackage. I hope it's improved |
| 18:59.49 | gravity | It crashed 50% of the times I used it |
| 18:59.50 | spunout | I use apt get, but I find it easier to browse for packages with the graphical front end. although I could probably to a apt-get find or something.... |
| 18:59.52 | paulswm | this sounds to me like a dumb question so it probably is: I have al old (1997) laptop which I'm pretty sure has only a 16 bit pcmcia slot. If I put a 32 bit ethernet card in it, will it autodetect that it only has 16 bits, or will it just not work at all, or does it depend on the card? Not having a lot of luck researching this. |
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| 19:00.12 | RolandU | jermy: or is there a "test"-db with some sample entries installed by default? |
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| 19:00.13 | KimHansen_ | paulswm: It won't fit |
| 19:00.18 | npx_ | gravity it still does, hehe |
| 19:00.38 | logos | is there an apt-get find? |
| 19:00.43 | gravity | cute |
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| 19:00.49 | gravity | logos: apt-cache search |
| 19:00.52 | paulswm | KimHansen_: I thought the connector was the same, it isn't? |
| 19:00.54 | spunout | I dont know... I think there is something like that.... |
| 19:00.56 | gravity | logos: man apt-cache for more goodies |
| 19:00.56 | npx_ | "loading package list" ...or not, whichever you prefer, really, kpackage, cuz I didn't really want to install anything... |
| 19:01.01 | logos | thx |
| 19:01.27 | logos | i figured out dpkg -l * so far... |
| 19:01.36 | gravity | dpkg -S is good too |
| 19:01.36 | RolandU | jermy: postgresql-access shows tables like "sql_features", "sql_languages" |
| 19:01.37 | dpkg | There is no record of a is good too package |
| 19:01.39 | cwood | Question: Anybody else having any msn connection problems in Gaim since the latest Sid download? |
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| 19:01.46 | KimHansen_ | paulswm: Almost, but there is a small difference that makes it impossible to put a 32-bit card into a 16-bit slot |
| 19:01.48 | gravity | heh, whoops |
| 19:01.51 | spl0it | I got my cdrom to umount, now it won't open...any suggestions?????? |
| 19:02.03 | zophyx | debootstrap |
| 19:02.04 | cwood | spl0it: Press the button on the front? ;-) |
| 19:02.11 | paulswm | KimHansen_: oh cool, I think it's 32 bit then |
| 19:02.12 | cwood | (That's not as facetious as it sounds.) |
| 19:02.16 | jermy | RolandU: Odd |
| 19:02.22 | spl0it | cwood: omg, thank you (@#%$@#%$#%#$%#$%) |
| 19:02.24 | paulswm | KimHansen_: thanks |
| 19:02.26 | mwilson | paulswm: No, a 32-bit card won't go into a 16-bit only slot. |
| 19:02.33 | spl0it | obviously I wouldn't be asking if that wasn't working |
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| 19:02.51 | KimHansen_ | spl0it: Try the eject program |
| 19:02.56 | cwood | I've had a similar problem where something won't open via eject... maybe try eject -t /dev/cdrom; eject /dev/cdrom -- has fixed the thing for me sometimes. |
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| 19:03.08 | cwood | Not that I know why, unfortunately. |
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| 19:03.10 | npx_ | if that fails, get out a paperclip and stick it in the little hole |
| 19:03.10 | paulswm | mwilson: great, because I tried a 32 bit wireless card, and it fit, so I am muchly relieved, thanks |
| 19:03.20 | spl0it | nice it worked kim |
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| 19:03.31 | logos | if the button doesn't work, eject wont either |
| 19:04.01 | jermy | spl0it: In future, you can also use something like 'fuser -v /cdrom' to see if anything is keeping hold of your drive |
| 19:04.17 | npx_ | spl0it i prefer lsof |
| 19:04.22 | spunout | apt-cache search. thanks. |
| 19:04.30 | abrotman | !nickometer spl0it |
| 19:04.30 | dpkg | 'spl0it' is 31.000% lame, abrotman |
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| 19:04.39 | abrotman | Kiluminati: turn that fucking shit off |
| 19:04.47 | paulswm | mwilson: course, it's still running Win95, so I don't know if the card *worked*, but it fit, heh |
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| 19:08.57 | gravity | Whoa... split madness |
| 19:08.57 | zophyx | sorry |
| 19:08.57 | paulswm | wowser |
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| 19:09.27 | cwood | wb, heretic splitters. |
| 19:09.37 | KimHansen_ | paulswm: I have an Pentium MMX 233MHz, it has a 32-bit slot |
| 19:09.37 | Ringo999 | jermy: can u help me to install my soundblaster 16 on debian? gravity told me to google for it. but as a supernuub i dont really know what im looking for... |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:09.37 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 19:09.37 | jermy | Ringo999: tbh, I'm not very sure how to configure sound stuff these days |
| 19:09.37 | cwood | Ringo: Two parts. 1) You need to have a kernel module (hardware driver) that can see and understand your hardware. Second, you need some kind of audio playing program and an audio file to test this. |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | !tell Ringo999 about sound |
| 19:09.38 | jermy | there'll probably be some other people in here who know more than I do |
| 19:09.38 | npx_ | Ringo999 modprobe sb16 |
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| 19:09.38 | npx_ | Ringo999 or if you want it to load automatically, run modconf and select sb16 |
| 19:09.38 | cadu | Ringo999: apt-get install discover |
| 19:09.38 | cadu | Ringo999: diz app finds almost all hardware on your box and install appropriate modules , cool for newbies or lazy doc readers |
| 19:09.39 | paulswm | KimHansen_: this is a 166 MMX, O2 pmcmcia bridge, I just want to get an ethernet card for it and maybe use it as a local DNS - I appreciate your help, thanks |
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| 19:09.39 | paulswm | KimHansen_: I hate to throw away old computers or food, think of all the starving kids in Africa, etc |
| 19:09.39 | gurubie | Does "testing" need a firewall like gaurddog? What do you recomend? |
| 19:09.39 | gravity | heh. spiffy little minesweeper demo in the ruby examples |
| 19:09.48 | abrotman | gravity: ever install the old caldera linux? |
| 19:10.01 | KimHansen_ | paulswm: my old laptop is setup as web server and palmpilot-sync-computer |
| 19:10.02 | lilo | lag problems on a main rotation server, it's been removed from rotation |
| 19:10.04 | gravity | abrotman: Is that the one that had space invaders during the install? |
| 19:10.05 | abrotman | it had a tetris game while doing the packages |
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| 19:10.16 | gravity | Ah, cool |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman | gravity: at least hte versino i installed did |
| 19:10.27 | abrotman | heh .. Lizard |
| 19:10.39 | gravity | I probably just got my classic gaming confused |
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| 19:10.49 | abrotman | all the work that Caldera put into linux .. and SCO fucked it all |
| 19:10.49 | paulswm | KimHansen_: don't think I'll be running mine like that, 32MB memory and 2G HD, it's almost a pocket calculator these days |
| 19:10.51 | gravity | People were talking about putting some game in to d-i during the package install |
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| 19:10.58 | gravity | Waaaaaaaay back |
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| 19:11.06 | cadu | there is some package on debian / world to making more easy the iptables firewall setup ? |
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| 19:11.18 | gravity | cadu: I use shorewall |
| 19:11.18 | abrotman | cadu: not really :) |
| 19:11.22 | cadu | maybe some wizard / help to work with you in creating rules |
| 19:11.22 | ghost212 | Hello |
| 19:11.24 | cadu | abrotman: :( |
| 19:11.33 | cadu | gravity: shorewall ?! |
| 19:11.33 | Ringo999 | cadu: well, discover found my soundcard. but i still cant play mp3s with rhythmbox |
| 19:11.39 | gravity | cadu: Shorewall |
| 19:11.40 | cadu | Ringo999: error ? |
| 19:11.57 | ghost212 | who can tell me how can I Unzip .zip file in debian?????? pls help |
| 19:12.02 | abrotman | cadu: apt-cache search iptables |
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| 19:12.08 | abrotman | ghost212: install zip? |
| 19:12.09 | gravity | ghost212: Install unzip and use it |
| 19:12.18 | abrotman | !zip |
| 19:12.18 | dpkg | methinks zip is the file extension of the archive format formerly known as PK-Zip. Use "zip" to create them and "unzip" to extract them. |
| 19:12.18 | Ringo999 | cadu: device "dev/dsp" does not exist |
| 19:12.24 | cwood | cadu: there are such packages, but you're probably way better off reading over 'man iptables' and understanding what the rulesets are, why and how you use them. |
| 19:12.30 | cadu | Ringo999: it's /dev/dsp |
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| 19:12.39 | Ringo999 | right |
| 19:12.45 | Ringo999 | cadu: so what do i do? |
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| 19:12.47 | cadu | cwood: well , man iptables never lightened up all my questions on iptables |
| 19:12.48 | paulswm | man he/she didn't hang around |
| 19:13.05 | cadu | Ringo999: try to use another app , or read this app man to see how to setup dsp device correctly |
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| 19:13.50 | abrotman | johnny carson is dead |
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| 19:13.51 | cr0ula0 | lol |
| 19:13.54 | paulswm | abrotman: serious? |
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| 19:14.10 | gravity | abrotman: :-( |
| 19:14.10 | cwood | cadu: there are various useful tutorials lurking around. Try the Linux Documentation Project. It's certainly a big hump to get over, but once you've surmounted the learning curve you're much better. |
| 19:14.10 | gravity | I met him once |
| 19:14.10 | jermy | paulswm: He certainly is |
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| 19:14.17 | jermy | (serious) |
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| 19:14.40 | abrotman | paulswm: gravity : http://story.news.yah |
| 19:14.43 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:14.52 | abrotman | gravity: paulswm http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050123/ap_on_en_tv/obit_carson |
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| 19:14.56 | gravity | Ringo999: Try modprobe es1370 |
| 19:14.59 | paulswm | well letterman's not going to be so funny then as JC was feeding him jokes |
| 19:15.27 | cadu | who's this guy? |
| 19:15.55 | abrotman | who is johnny carson? |
| 19:16.05 | Ronin | seriously? |
| 19:16.06 | abrotman | cadu: ? |
| 19:16.11 | abrotman | who is what guy? |
| 19:16.16 | mr_obb | I've got a Dell computer and have a problem with bug no. 277298 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277298 . Some people there state that pressing ctrl-c when the problem occurs should solve the problem, but I have a USB-keyboard, whcich doesn't work at that point. Are there any other soutions? |
| 19:16.41 | paulswm | cadu: famous American late night show host and comedian, pretty much an institution over here |
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| 19:17.22 | gurubie | What's the best firewall for Sarge? (Here's Johnny - In heaven I hope) God bless Him and family. |
| 19:17.23 | gravity | Man, I miss the linux hardware database so very much |
| 19:17.36 | gravity | zdnet bought it and then fucked it |
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| 19:17.41 | gravity | Fuckig zdnet |
| 19:17.46 | gravity | gurubie: I like shorewall |
| 19:17.46 | psywar | err, why would gcc on debian barf on lines like this: |
| 19:17.47 | psywar | extern int sprintf(char * buf, const char * fmt, ...) |
| 19:17.47 | psywar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:18.07 | gurubie | gravity: Better than Guardog? |
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| 19:18.53 | simonrvn | psywar: why would it be "gcc on debian" when it's just simply gcc |
| 19:18.57 | simonrvn | psywar: #c |
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| 19:19.12 | psywar | hrm |
| 19:19.45 | psywar | I understand what you're saying, but since I got gcc from the debian archives and /usr/include/linux was installed via apt-getting something, it's somewhat relevant |
| 19:20.22 | psywar | All I've done is a normal install of debian, plus apt-get build-essentials, screen, vim, less, lynx. |
| 19:20.38 | Coke | Can someone buy me a clue as to how to make groff produce plain-text ASCII without the control sequences? |
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| 19:20.46 | simonrvn | psywar: your question is relevant in #c. go play |
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| 19:21.28 | gravity | gurubie: I've never used guardog |
| 19:21.28 | paulswm | !beat zdnet for upsetting gravity |
| 19:21.28 | abrotman | psywar: #gcc |
| 19:21.29 | abrotman | psywar: honestly .. you didn't even tell us which gcc |
| 19:21.29 | gurubie | gravity: Shorewall for Sarge then? |
| 19:21.29 | gravity | gurubie: Sure |
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| 19:21.29 | paulswm | !test |
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| 19:21.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 19:21.29 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 19:21.29 | paulswm | dpkg is gone |
| 19:21.29 | abrotman | no .. he's here |
| 19:21.29 | gravity | Ringo999: Did that modprobe work? |
| 19:21.29 | gravity | Ringo999: If not, try modprobe snd-card-sb16 |
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| 19:21.30 | paulswm | prolly in mourning for Johhny |
| 19:21.30 | paulswm | Johnny |
| 19:21.30 | abrotman | paulswm: if he doesn't come back .. we'll ask don to unfreeze him :) |
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| 19:21.30 | kps | hi, does anyone know what is the "official" debian way of changing the IP of my primary network interface (eth0) ? |
| 19:21.30 | kps | do i just edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | !tell kps about interfaces |
| 19:21.31 | gravity | kps: Yes |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | kps: in short .. yes |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | oh ... fucking dpkg died |
| 19:21.31 | kps | ok nice thanks |
| 19:21.31 | abrotman | bah .. he's here .. but dead |
| 19:21.31 | dpkg | Yes, paulswm, you're still online. |
| 19:21.31 | dpkg | what's up |
| 19:21.32 | dpkg | hey, abrotman |
| 19:21.32 | dpkg | paulswm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 19:21.35 | abrotman | that's some lag :) |
| 19:21.39 | sussudio | . |
| 19:21.41 | paulswm | woohoo |
| 19:21.41 | psywar | I think it's a version incompatibility between the gcc package and whatever installed /usr/include/linux/kernel.h - how do I find out what package installed the latter? |
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| 19:21.53 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 19:21.53 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
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| 19:22.05 | Ringo999 | gravity: discover found the following card: crate labs sb live! emu10k1 |
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| 19:22.13 | abrotman | psywar: really .. ask #gcc or #c |
| 19:22.13 | psywar | abrotman: whatever "apt-get install gcc" gave me. |
| 19:22.16 | gravity | Ringo999: Is that your sound card? |
| 19:22.21 | Ringo999 | yeah |
| 19:22.22 | abrotman | psywar: gcc -V i think |
| 19:22.29 | gravity | Ringo999: Ok, that's very different from what you told me |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | --version |
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| 19:22.44 | psywar | gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5) |
| 19:22.45 | _rene_ | psywar: libc6-dev / linux-kernel-headers |
| 19:22.46 | abrotman | i did see gcc4 in experimental |
| 19:22.46 | gravity | Ringo999: Do you have to emu10k module loaded? |
| 19:22.48 | Ringo999 | gravity: sorry for that. i thought it was an 16bit |
| 19:22.50 | floppyears | hi I have a quick question |
| 19:22.51 | _rene_ | psywar: dpkg -S helps you |
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| 19:22.58 | Ringo999 | gravity: how do i see that? |
| 19:22.58 | _rene_ | psywar: what is the problem again? |
| 19:23.02 | gravity | Ringo999: lsmod |
| 19:23.03 | tarzeau | is KMEM defined by Linux? |
| 19:23.05 | abrotman | dpkg -S |
| 19:23.05 | dpkg | abrotman: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:23.09 | floppyears | does anybody know of websites where I can get free access to essays that I can freely use |
| 19:23.28 | abrotman | floppyears: wrong channel |
| 19:23.29 | gravity | floppyears: Go plagiarise somewhere else |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | very wrong |
| 19:23.31 | psywar | _rene_: I download zaptel and try to compile it. it bitches about things in /usr/include/linux |
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| 19:23.35 | Ringo999 | yeah its loaed |
| 19:23.35 | paulswm | God, it's still Sunday by the look of it |
| 19:23.37 | floppyears | abrotman: it's not for me |
| 19:23.40 | gravity | paulswm: Yep |
| 19:23.42 | Ringo999 | gravity: its loaded |
| 19:23.48 | abrotman | floppyears: doesn't matter .. still wrong channel |
| 19:23.50 | _rene_ | that's too unconcrete. |
| 19:23.51 | floppyears | gravity: no, I'm not plagiarising somebody |
| 19:23.52 | psywar | I have tried both the .deb package and the latest source via CVS |
| 19:23.55 | abrotman | floppyears: doesn't matter .. still wrong channel |
| 19:23.57 | paulswm | yeah, it's not for me, it's for a "friend" |
| 19:24.00 | gravity | Ringo999: Ok... hm |
| 19:24.03 | _rene_ | *exact* error please |
| 19:24.06 | gurubie | _Anyone disagree with Shorewall as best desktop firewall? |
| 19:24.16 | gravity | !best |
| 19:24.16 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:24.24 | abrotman | gurubie: i do |
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| 19:24.43 | Ringo999 | gravity: i also have that gnome bug that the sound volume controller automatically moves down to zero. |
| 19:24.45 | gurubie | Sarge workstation implied |
| 19:24.56 | abrotman | it sucks |
| 19:25.05 | abrotman | johnny carson is still dead |
| 19:25.09 | gravity | shorewall is great |
| 19:25.14 | Ringo999 | gravity: when trying to open volume control i get teh message that no mixing elements were found |
| 19:25.17 | gravity | Although best is of course relative |
| 19:25.35 | paulswm | abrotman: deader'n a mackerel, as my KY spouse would say |
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| 19:25.38 | gravity | Ringo999: Do you have snd_mixer_oss module loaded? |
| 19:25.51 | abrotman | paulswm: sorry about that .. but they don't have mackerel in KY |
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| 19:26.00 | Xenguy | gurubie: I like shorewall |
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| 19:26.08 | paulswm | abrotman: I know, odd that |
| 19:26.17 | Ringo999 | gravity: nope |
| 19:26.23 | abrotman | paulswm: but damn .. those things are easy to catch when they run |
| 19:26.26 | gravity | Ringo999: Try modprobe'ing that |
| 19:26.36 | Karhuton | What for is /dev/shm ? |
| 19:26.38 | gravity | gurubie: Just try a few firewalls and pick the one you like |
| 19:26.39 | gurubie | The point is, does no one think (hear) their firewall (Sarge Desktop/broadband) is preferred. If so why? |
| 19:26.44 | Karhuton | Tmpfs, that is. |
| 19:26.46 | gravity | gurubie: There's no penalty for doing so |
| 19:26.46 | paulswm | abrotman: they don't have *live* mackerel, makes sense now |
| 19:26.47 | gurubie | here |
| 19:26.52 | mitslv | I've had good luck with IPCop |
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| 19:27.08 | gurubie | gravity: Other than Shorewall |
| 19:27.13 | gravity | gurubie: Try them all! |
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| 19:27.21 | gravity | Geez... what is it with linux users today |
| 19:27.29 | Ringo999 | gravity: ok did it. now what? |
| 19:27.29 | gravity | Won't even play with the free software they're handed |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | paulswm: they don't have any mackerel in KY |
| 19:27.36 | gurubie | gravity: Name two more besides Shore and guard? |
| 19:27.36 | gravity | Ringo999: Give it a try |
| 19:27.40 | paulswm | gurubie: I have a wireless router which is also my firewall, actually the firmware is Linux |
| 19:27.46 | gravity | gurubie: apt-cache search firewall |
| 19:27.51 | gravity | gurubie: apt-cache search iptables |
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| 19:28.03 | paulswm | abrotman: only *dead* ones in cans |
| 19:28.10 | Ringo999 | gravity: same thing. i cant even start the volume preferences :( |
| 19:28.11 | abrotman | ew .. they can those things? |
| 19:28.12 | Karhuton | Is there any performance increase in mounting /tmp to tmpfs on a desktop system? |
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| 19:28.25 | abrotman | Karhuton: as opposed to? |
| 19:28.25 | gravity | ugh |
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| 19:28.32 | gravity | Ringo999: I don't know then :-( |
| 19:28.35 | gurubie | paulswm: Yes good point (and perhaps better) but I'm supplementing with software |
| 19:28.41 | chugga | abauer, wireless what |
| 19:28.41 | Karhuton | abrotman, Not doing it? |
| 19:28.43 | paulswm | abrotman: some other pearls: "uglier'n a mud fence", "dumber than owlshit" |
| 19:28.44 | Ringo999 | jeez .( |
| 19:28.48 | gravity | Ringo999: I'm probably not the best person to be helping you. All this new sound architecture stuff has left me behind a bit |
| 19:28.56 | Stian^_- | does anyone know how to clone the display with s3switch ? the command? |
| 19:28.59 | Karhuton | abrotman: < 1% is pretty much beoynd the effort |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | Karhuton: you need /tmp |
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| 19:29.14 | gravity | Ringo999: Sorry. Good luck though. I recommend googling around for your sound card and linux and seeing what you can find. |
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| 19:29.19 | abrotman | paulswm: you should discuss coloquialisms with nvz |
| 19:29.24 | paulswm | gurubie: sure, was just answering your "what are people using" question |
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| 19:29.29 | Karhuton | abrotman, /dev/shm is eating 256MB and it's not being used for anything. |
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| 19:29.34 | abrotman | paulswm: make sure you ask about yinz |
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| 19:29.42 | abrotman | yunz .. whatever it is |
| 19:29.45 | Ringo999 | gravity: thx. |
| 19:29.55 | Ringo999 | gravity: appreciate your help! |
| 19:30.03 | abrotman | Karhuton: i think you don't understand it .. but that's ok |
| 19:30.06 | paulswm | abrotman: ok, I'll wirte that down even though it sounds like a setup |
| 19:30.09 | Karhuton | abrotman, and I'm wondering if I should unmount it for good - or take use of it. |
| 19:30.10 | gravity | Ringo999: Good luck |
| 19:30.13 | abrotman | nvz: wake up |
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| 19:30.22 | abrotman | Karhuton: you can't .. your system will explode |
| 19:30.28 | abrotman | paulswm: it is not |
| 19:31.18 | paulswm | abrotman: j/k, I trust you |
| 19:31.18 | Karhuton | abrotman: I'd hope to mayby decrease the startup time of Nautilus' browser and system monitor by getting more "free" ram to be cached in. |
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| 19:31.28 | Karhuton | abrotman: Will explode? |
| 19:31.31 | abrotman | Karhuton: you do what you want .. i'm telling you not to do it |
| 19:31.37 | filipe_ | Karhuton: the best way to descrease startup time of Nautilus is not to use it ;-) |
| 19:31.47 | gurubie | Let's say I wanted to serve web pages with credit card paying customer and my Wireless router then had a hole. Would shorewall suffice on another locally connected inet sharing box? |
| 19:31.48 | abrotman | Karhuton: maybe you should look at prelink |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | !prelink |
| 19:31.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, prelink is a program made by jakub jelinek (sp?) and can be found on the redhat servers in the /pub/jakub dir if i am not mistaken, or in sid now, but breaks tripwire (obviously) |
| 19:31.53 | paulswm | Karhuton: if dev/shm isn't being used, it isn't taking up memory, you don't have to worry about that stuff |
| 19:32.02 | gravity | Ew... prelink |
| 19:32.04 | Karhuton | paulswm, it isn't? great. |
| 19:32.31 | paulswm | Karhuton: Linux manages memory very well by itself. |
| 19:32.34 | Ringo999 | ok. anyone here using gnome? |
| 19:32.53 | gravity | !anyone |
| 19:32.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 19:32.53 | sussudio | !irritate Ringo999 |
| 19:32.54 | dpkg | Ringo999: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh quake3 ????? |
| 19:32.55 | filipe_ | Karhuton: it's not so easy to know which memory is being used by programs |
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| 19:33.49 | Cindux | hey all |
| 19:34.01 | Cindux | I'm just wondering will this mini PC run debian ? |
| 19:34.02 | Cindux | http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=11433&vpn=IQ3601A%20&manufacture=SOLTEK |
| 19:34.19 | Knight_Lord | If it's a PC it will run debian |
| 19:34.26 | abrotman | Cindux: does it run linux? |
| 19:34.28 | valdyn_ | Cindux: so we should read the hardware compatibility list for you? |
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| 19:34.45 | Cindux | er no |
| 19:34.54 | Cindux | the processor is a C3 ?!?1 |
| 19:34.58 | abrotman | ask ##linux |
| 19:34.58 | Cindux | i have no idea |
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| 19:35.11 | Iconsumed | can someone advice me on how to get my mouse working in sarge? |
| 19:35.12 | abrotman | i don't see why not ... |
| 19:35.14 | Douwd | cin: via c3 works, it has support in the kernel |
| 19:35.17 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:35.20 | Douwd | cindux: via c3 works, it has support in the kernel |
| 19:35.20 | abrotman | i'm an asshole!!! |
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| 19:35.44 | abrotman | i drive real slow in the ultra fast people lane! |
| 19:35.45 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: in X i assume |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | actaully .. |
| 19:35.57 | abrotman | i drive insanely fast in the ultra fast people lane |
| 19:36.04 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord yes |
| 19:36.07 | travisat | the sidewalk? |
| 19:36.10 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: which mouse is it? |
| 19:36.24 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: how did you configure your X? |
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| 19:37.01 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord It is a microsoft intellimouse optical 7 button, but I just want to be able to move around the cursor to begin with =) the other thing I know, just I don't know how to autostart the xmodmap command |
| 19:37.04 | abrotman | like we need two of them |
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| 19:37.14 | daft_ | is there a tool in debian to compress movies to pocket pc size and format? |
| 19:37.20 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord xf86config |
| 19:37.47 | travisat | daft_ : check out marillat |
| 19:37.57 | daft_ | K |
| 19:38.01 | travisat | repository |
| 19:38.09 | travisat | !marillat |
| 19:38.09 | dpkg | well, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 19:38.10 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: i beleive protocol is IMPS/2 |
| 19:38.33 | brullo | daft_, you mean lower the resolution? What container do you want the file in? |
| 19:38.39 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord yes! I had it working on IMPS/2 but then I ran config again and the only thing I did different was with the monitor |
| 19:38.50 | nvz | I need to figure out a -font size for aterm between 9x15 and 12x24.. heh it doesnt seem to take just anything.. and 12x24 is just a bit too big, and 9x15 is just a bit too small |
| 19:38.53 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord it is still on IMPS/2 |
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| 19:39.06 | abrotman | nvz: tell paulswm about yunz or yinz |
| 19:39.10 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: can you post the relevant config file section in flood? |
| 19:39.12 | travisat | Iconsumed:change the type to ExplorerPS/2 and add the OPTION "Buttons" "7" |
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| 19:39.16 | paulswm | heh I was just going to ask |
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| 19:39.34 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord I don't have a working mouse so it'll be hard |
| 19:39.45 | cbillett | are there any seasoned kernel hackers that can help me with a list_head question? |
| 19:40.27 | Iconsumed | travisat I'll try your advice and I'll be back in a few minutes |
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| 19:40.28 | daft_ | brullo, rezise and to avi |
| 19:40.28 | WiFiTux | gaby@debian:~$ sudo sendmail |
| 19:40.29 | WiFiTux | gaby is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. WoW! Did I kill someone O.o Why Can't a user use sendmail? |
| 19:40.35 | gurubie | SUCCESS! (And there was much rejoicing) New Sarge install, 2.6.10-1-k7 AND ndiswrapper compiled, working with (POS) TI 802.11g (ACX111) wireless internet access! |
| 19:40.52 | cbillett | WiFiTux: add user gaby to /etc/sodoers? |
| 19:40.56 | abrotman | WiFiTux: use the mail funtcion |
| 19:41.04 | cbillett | or whatever file it is... |
| 19:41.04 | Knight_Lord | WiFiTux: the problem is not using sendmail but using sudo |
| 19:41.22 | WiFiTux | Knight_Lord, I know! :) hehe |
| 19:41.28 | cbillett | i don't think i've used sudo with that before... |
| 19:41.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman, what mail function? |
| 19:41.43 | abrotman | and wait .. |
| 19:41.43 | Knight_Lord | WiFiTux: there is a mail program |
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| 19:41.51 | abrotman | why do you have sudo to run a sendmail function? |
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| 19:42.08 | Iconsumed | so... didn't work |
| 19:42.11 | gurubie | I hate having to use ndiswrapper but it is the only choice for this card. |
| 19:42.27 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord travisat |
| 19:42.31 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: what device are you using? Is it a symlink to some interesting place? |
| 19:42.32 | cbillett | does anyone know how to use list_head structs? |
| 19:42.33 | abrotman | gurubie: more broadcom crap? |
| 19:42.41 | abrotman | cbillett: #c ? |
| 19:42.41 | brullo | daft_, kino? |
| 19:42.42 | daft_ | travisat, is marillat in sarge I want it to do on a server that runs sarge |
| 19:42.42 | nvz | paulswm: abrotman wanted you to know that yunz or yinz is Pittsburghese for "You two are (second person plural).. Yinz are a cute couple!" http://pittsburghese.com/ see also. Yinzer, A Picksburgh native who talks right, n'at. |
| 19:42.47 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: is your mouse an USB mouse? If so are the correct modules inserted? |
| 19:42.50 | cbillett | abrotman: clever... |
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| 19:42.54 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: was the mouse detected in dmesg? |
| 19:42.55 | abrotman | cbillett: smart |
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| 19:42.58 | daft_ | brullo, never heard of it |
| 19:43.00 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord what device? |
| 19:43.01 | abrotman | paulswm: you like that? |
| 19:43.01 | travisat | Iconsumed : what is in your section serverlayout |
| 19:43.02 | cbillett | abrotman: that's why i come here. i know. |
| 19:43.06 | paulswm | nvz: ah, thanks |
| 19:43.15 | brullo | daft_, apt-cache show kino |
| 19:43.15 | cbillett | abrotman: #debian has to be the brightest channel on irc... |
| 19:43.16 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 19:43.26 | WiFiTux | abrotman, well cause that's what I use... but I then moved and used mutt |
| 19:43.27 | cbillett | second maybe only to #perl |
| 19:43.34 | gurubie | Anyone else here still have wireless card problems? |
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| 19:43.52 | Iconsumed | travisat simple layout, mouse1 core pointer |
| 19:43.52 | paulswm | abrotman: yes, there is absolutely no identifiable connection between the word and its meaning |
| 19:43.53 | cbillett | i'll check #c and make #debian less stupid for a bit. |
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| 19:44.06 | abrotman | paulswm: lots of pittsburgh is like that :) |
| 19:44.06 | daft_ | brullo, I rather use apt-get ;) |
| 19:44.10 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord /dev/psaux |
| 19:44.11 | heviarti | nvz: i've done that before. it sicks. |
| 19:44.14 | heviarti | sucks |
| 19:44.16 | paulswm | nvz: thanks for taking the trouble to write all that out |
| 19:44.21 | abrotman | Allegheny WhitefishCondom floating down the river. Look at the Allegheny whitefish (Submitted by Jerry Trombino, McKeesport, Pa) |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | heh :) |
| 19:44.26 | brullo | daft_, :) |
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| 19:44.28 | travisat | Iconsumed: is it ps2 or usb |
| 19:44.36 | travisat | Iconsumed: is it ps2 or usb or serial |
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| 19:44.45 | heviarti | abrotman: see also Coney Island Whitefish |
| 19:44.49 | abrotman | pass |
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| 19:45.04 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: have you checked if it works for root? |
| 19:45.10 | paulswm | hahaha |
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| 19:45.38 | abrotman | paulswm: did you go to the pittsburghese site? |
| 19:45.40 | daft_ | :o just what i need \o/ |
| 19:45.44 | kreg | got a box with two nics. 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1 what do i add to it's route table so that anying on the 0.1 side can reach the 1.1 side? |
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| 19:45.54 | paulswm | abrotman: no |
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| 19:46.16 | paulswm | abrotman: checking it out now |
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| 19:46.35 | Knight_Lord | kreg: i'm afraid i have to recomend man route |
| 19:46.43 | Stian^_- | how do i mount .bin and .cue files ? .. |
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| 19:46.48 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord I type startx as root, so it doesn't... |
| 19:47.06 | valdyn_ | kreg: echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:47.10 | paulswm | abrotman: that's funny |
| 19:47.13 | Knight_Lord | Iconsumed: any errors in the log related to the mouse? |
| 19:47.14 | kreg | Knight_Lord, that's fine. see anything wrong with this? route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.224 gw 192.168.0.0 |
| 19:47.50 | Knight_Lord | kreg: yup that doesn't make much sense to me |
| 19:47.55 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord dmesg | grep mouse gives nothing |
| 19:47.55 | valdyn_ | kreg: a gateway is a real up, not like 192.168.0.0 |
| 19:48.02 | valdyn_ | kreg: a gateway is a real IP, not like 192.168.0.0 |
| 19:48.06 | Knight_Lord | kreg: gw should be a computer no network |
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| 19:49.22 | kreg | the prob is i was hoping game servers running on 0.1 side would show up for me on the 1.1 side |
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| 19:49.39 | paulswm | holy crap, *again*? |
| 19:49.41 | abrotman | can we fix freenode now? |
| 19:49.41 | abrotman | !fix freenode |
| 19:49.41 | Knight_Lord | kreg: i'll see if i can dig up the correct syntax |
| 19:49.41 | paulswm | abrotman: I see you fixed it |
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| 19:49.41 | Stian^_- | how do i mount or extract .bin and .cue files ? .. |
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| 19:49.52 | kreg | dunno if you saw this before the netsplit. Knight_Lord valdyn_ , the point as so my PC on 1.2 could see any game servers running on the 0.0 side. |
| 19:50.01 | helpmeplz | sweet quake 3 works flawlessly |
| 19:50.02 | mrwoody | hi... I have been trying to clone my printer so that printer1 would print on paper, printer2 on photo paper, etc... but they seem to conflict within each other. Is it possible to do something like that? |
| 19:50.10 | helpmeplz | i guess that proves that my vid card drivers are working |
| 19:50.15 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 19:50.20 | abrotman | oy! |
| 19:50.25 | abrotman | paulswm: it's funny!!! |
| 19:50.36 | abrotman | paulswm: try in on your wife .. she might understand some of it |
| 19:50.37 | paulswm | abrotman: indeed |
| 19:50.45 | Knight_Lord | kreg: if the games use multi cast (like stupid MS sharing protocols) you have problems. otherwise it would work |
| 19:50.57 | paulswm | abrotman: she's from KY, she says things like "drownded" |
| 19:51.10 | abrotman | paulswm: with both Ds pronounced? |
| 19:51.17 | paulswm | abrotman: of course |
| 19:51.19 | kreg | Knight_Lord, well, at the least then, how bout a way to "ping" them. then if that works i could at least manually enter in an IP for my game to conenct to. |
| 19:51.19 | abrotman | ick |
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| 19:51.57 | Iconsumed | Knight_Lord under serverlayout there is a line InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer" is that ok? |
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| 19:53.00 | paulswm | abrotman: where she was born, there's a little liquor store which has an outside counter set at the height of a mounted horse rider, what you might call a "ride through" |
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| 19:53.16 | Knight_Lord | kreg: simply enabling IP forwarding should work |
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| 19:53.55 | abrotman | paulswm: how cute |
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| 19:53.55 | kreg | Knight_Lord, ya i was thinking that too. doesn't seem to be the trick tho. hmmmmmmm |
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| 19:54.19 | helpmeplz | eww |
| 19:54.19 | Knight_Lord | kreg: what happens when you try to ping? |
| 19:54.19 | paulswm | fuck this |
| 19:54.19 | kreg | no response |
| 19:54.19 | Knight_Lord | kreg: host unreachable? No ping reply? |
| 19:54.20 | kreg | times out |
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| 19:54.36 | abrotman | fix it fix it fix it |
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| 19:55.00 | Lord-Cereburus | hmm |
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| 19:55.07 | helpmeplz | hey i have a directory that i mount a drive on, the directory has rw permissions but when i mount the drive it loses them, how do i fix this? |
| 19:55.11 | Knight_Lord | kreg: can you print the route table in flood? |
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| 19:55.25 | kreg | Knight_Lord, sortinly |
| 19:55.28 | paulswm | helpmeplz: set the permissions with the drive mounted |
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| 19:56.52 | paulswm | well I must have hexed them with that "coming back in a minute" remark |
| 19:57.07 | paulswm | !test |
| 19:57.07 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
| 19:57.09 | daft_ | brullo, I cant load any movie in to kino |
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| 19:57.20 | paulswm | cool, the bot's here |
| 19:57.22 | mrwoody | hi... I have been trying to clone my printer so that printer1 would print on paper, printer2 on photo paper, etc... but they seem to conflict within each other. Is it possible to do something like that? |
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| 20:00.24 | HiSPeed | re |
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| 20:02.00 | paulswm | abrotman , nvz : Here's some slang from my origin, click through the alphabet on the top LH side: http://www.talktidy.com/index.html |
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| 20:02.37 | valdyn_ | mrwoody: no reason why they should conflict |
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| 20:03.56 | abrotman | paulswm: see .. we speak normally around here .. we dont' need a translation site :) |
| 20:04.07 | nvz | someone is pressuring torrent search engines.. even the most insignificant ones have dissapeared in the past few days |
| 20:04.31 | Ikarus | nvz: they are reappearing at the same rate |
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| 20:04.39 | Bols | someone?! hum.. MPAA/RIAA.. yeah :p |
| 20:04.44 | paulswm | nvz: well a lot of people are unhapy about them, I wonder who's behind it |
| 20:04.51 | nvz | paulswm: me too |
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| 20:05.21 | paulswm | nvz: hollywood, nashville or seattle is my guess |
| 20:05.24 | nvz | supernova.org went down like 2 days ago.. and packetnews.com just searched torrents yesturday, and now it doesnt |
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| 20:06.50 | nvz | the site it appeared to use to search is still up.. torrentcrawler.com |
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| 20:07.07 | paulswm | abrotman: well for some we do, but they're prolly beyond help anyway |
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| 20:07.39 | abrotman | right |
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| 20:08.10 | nvz | besides filesharing there are lots of things on the web I dont follow |
| 20:08.11 | paulswm | "I format the drive but the debian he don't boot" |
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| 20:08.44 | spaceman | hey...still having problems with x starting ! ...VMWARE(0): Not using default "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/dou\blescan) and i have setup my horizontal frequency and vertical frequency using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 :/ any suggestions |
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| 20:09.24 | Coke | paulswm: that is a funny quote |
| 20:09.42 | nvz | you know there are over 100 underaged "super models" on the web ages ranging from as young as 6 to 17, and so far all I know is the FBI takes as much interest in what they are doing as I do.. and I've only seen one of these kids actually appear on a TV Commercial.. I dont know what they are doing, but it doesnt seem legit to me |
| 20:09.43 | paulswm | Coke: not a quote, made it up from what I'd seen here |
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| 20:10.01 | Coke | paulswm: somebody here said that before you, right? |
| 20:10.06 | Knight_Lord | kreg: so your personal box has connections to which networks? |
| 20:10.11 | paulswm | Coke: no, all my own work |
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| 20:10.30 | nvz | all I know is they move about as much traffic as any torrent ring, and they are getting money from somewhere, for something |
| 20:10.30 | Coke | paulswm: oh. crap. otherwise it'd been hilarious |
| 20:10.39 | Knight_Lord | kreg: do all the 1.1 boxes use your personal box as gateway? |
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| 20:10.49 | kreg | Knight_Lord, yup |
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| 20:10.59 | Knight_Lord | kreg: so your personal box has connections to which networks? |
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| 20:11.28 | paulswm | Coke: it is not too far from the truth, and I thought it was funny anyway |
| 20:11.33 | kreg | anything 192.168.0.0 |
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| 20:11.48 | paulswm | Coke: I've seen "the debian" and "he" |
| 20:11.50 | kreg | and anything inside my room on 1.0 too |
| 20:12.01 | Coke | Is there some mailinglist I can post requests for maintainers for a software? |
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| 20:12.18 | daft_ | is video4linux needed to resize movies with kino? |
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| 20:12.38 | valdyn_ | Coke: wishlist in the bts? |
| 20:13.00 | Coke | valdyn_: hm. yes... could be. |
| 20:13.05 | kreg | Knight_Lord, actually, i'm not sure if my personal box can reach a IP outside of the 192.168.0.96/224 subnet. but i know it can reach of those IP's plus 192.168.0.1 |
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| 20:13.24 | valdyn_ | Coke: file a bug, priority "wishlist" or similar |
| 20:13.27 | whaq_ | hey guys, any FreeNX users? |
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| 20:13.32 | Soran | i have a second hd that i want to format as ext3 but i can't, when i do cfdisk /dev/hda1 i get the error "cannot read disk" |
| 20:13.38 | kreg | Knight_Lord, i'm trying to get 192.168.1.2 to reach 192.168.0.100 |
| 20:13.45 | chugga | Soran, run it as root |
| 20:13.48 | paulswm | nvz: like the Colt in the west, the web is the great equalizer, anyone can be a "supermodel" nowadays |
| 20:13.50 | Coke | valdyn_: I might make a package myself and have people test it before I ask for it to be in debian |
| 20:13.51 | Soran | is there a way to format it as ext3 and override it |
| 20:13.53 | Soran | i am root |
| 20:13.56 | daft_ | Soran, try cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 20:13.56 | gurubie | whaq_: I could only get theie demo (to Germany) to work. |
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| 20:13.57 | bbrazil | Soran: try /dev/hda |
| 20:14.00 | Knight_Lord | kreg: supposing your 192.168.0.96 device is eth0 you would do: route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 |
| 20:14.14 | whaq_ | gurubie, FreeNX or NoMachine's NX (commercial)? |
| 20:14.14 | Knight_Lord | kreg: sorry wrong command |
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| 20:14.21 | strubbel | Hi, since i told my syslogd to write to /dev/tty8 it writes to every terminal that has focus (if one could say so)...with iptables logging i really get mad ?$%&# unfortunately i can't find the mistake in syslog.conf |
| 20:14.22 | Coke | valdyn_: it's a small program for creating RSS feeds, but it's a hell of a job to make debconf stuff and manuals for it. |
| 20:14.22 | Soran | bbrazil trying now |
| 20:14.25 | chugga | and anyway, cfdisk wont format your h/d |
| 20:14.27 | gurubie | whaq_: What do you want it to do for you? |
| 20:14.31 | chugga | use mkfs |
| 20:14.34 | Knight_Lord | kreg: what i meant was route add -net 192.168.0.96 netmask 255.255.255.224 dev eth0 |
| 20:14.38 | Soran | mkfs /dev/hda ? |
| 20:14.39 | paulswm | Soran: it's /dev/hda, not hda1 |
| 20:14.41 | nvz | paulswm: what I am getting at is webspace costs money, these people are making a living doing this.. and these kids arent getting any real legit work.. so they must be doing something illegal |
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| 20:14.46 | chugga | Soran, no dont do that |
| 20:14.47 | Soran | you're right, that worked |
| 20:14.53 | Knight_Lord | kreg: buit it should already be there |
| 20:14.55 | valdyn_ | Coke: oh, the debian-devel list then, I suppose |
| 20:14.57 | chugga | be specific, what partition you want done |
| 20:14.59 | paulswm | nvz: maybe not the kids, but the adults behind it |
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| 20:15.07 | bbrazil | Soran: also the command you're loooking for is mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 (assuming partitioning is done) |
| 20:15.11 | chugga | cfdisk should help you determine that (its 1 like you say?) |
| 20:15.11 | whaq_ | gurubie, i use the freenx (from kalyxo.org) and there's a bug when resuming sessions - i'm wondering if it's fixed anywhere |
| 20:15.18 | kreg | Knight_Lord, well 192.168.0.96 is eth4 on the main gw. |
| 20:15.20 | Soran | ok |
| 20:15.21 | dansushi | what is the difference between a ntfs format and a fat format? |
| 20:15.24 | Soran | let me try that |
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| 20:15.33 | Shadur | dansushi: ntfs is winduhs' next-gen format. |
| 20:15.41 | bbrazil | dansushi: ntfs is better, however linux can't write to it |
| 20:15.45 | nvz | paulswm: well, yeah I am not saying kids are doing something bad.. I am saying they are most likely being exploited and dont know any better |
| 20:15.48 | uk-male | hi, can you do root=ask in your lilo.conf? |
| 20:15.48 | dansushi | it can't |
| 20:15.53 | Coke | bbrazil: "better"? |
| 20:15.54 | paulswm | dansushi: ntfs is a modern journalling filesystem, fat is a hack of a floppy disk format |
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| 20:16.06 | strubbel | could anyone dip into my syslog.conf ? |
| 20:16.09 | paulswm | nvz: you are dead right, I'm sure |
| 20:16.11 | bbrazil | Coke: jounalling, ACLs |
| 20:16.13 | kreg | Knight_Lord, i think i'll make some maps, and get back to it later. it would certainly make it alot easier to troubleshoot online. |
| 20:16.18 | Coke | bbrazil: depends on what you want with your filesystem. there's a reason why small electronic gadgets use mainly FAT and it's because it's so simple that even a moron can implement it. |
| 20:16.20 | Knight_Lord | kreg: indeed |
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| 20:16.28 | kreg | Knight_Lord, thanks tho >: ) |
| 20:16.29 | Coke | bbrazil: yeah, those aren't always desired functions |
| 20:16.36 | Knight_Lord | kreg: and route tables for the relevant computers |
| 20:16.39 | Knight_Lord | kreg: you're welcome |
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| 20:16.47 | bbrazil | Coke: of course. I use fat32 for my big disks (should be using xfs) |
| 20:16.58 | paulswm | Coke: and many morons have indeed implemented it, which proves your point |
| 20:16.59 | Knight_Lord | bbrazil: indeed |
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| 20:17.11 | Coke | bbrazil: oh, I would never use FAT for anything on a computer. A PC is capable of handling more advanced filesystems. |
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| 20:17.36 | bwlang | i have an openswan vpn link ... with mtu problems... anybody know if it's possible to set an mtu for a given route instead of an entire interface ? |
| 20:17.38 | bbrazil | Coke: but for interoperability with win98... (granted its been almost a year since that system has booted 98) |
| 20:17.39 | Coke | paulswm: but seriously, if you are writing a system that should fit 32k RAM, FAT is the way to go. |
| 20:17.40 | paulswm | the only reason for using fat is to share disks between windoze and linux, IMHO |
| 20:18.07 | gurubie | whaq_: Well you've gotten farther than me. It's the best for remote via net. The speed was good. For a LOCAL solution I've turned to testing Terminal serving. Advantage is zero maintenace and speed, so far only Knoppix terminal server Live CD to net booting CD has worked. The CD is slow (as usual) the HD should be nice. |
| 20:18.13 | paulswm | Coke: sure, becasue like I said it's a hack of a floppy format :) |
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| 20:18.55 | gurubie | Has anyone set up Terminal Serving on Sarge? |
| 20:19.02 | nvz | paulswm: I have a keen sense of observation.. I just tell it like I see it.. that girl on the Philips flat screen commercial is the only one I have ever seen with actuall work. The rest of em, are taking time and money to update weekly or monthly or whatever.. and dont seem to have any ligitimate business |
| 20:19.04 | paulswm | Coke: I wonder how minix stacks up in terms of smallness |
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| 20:19.07 | spunout | I have set up FreeNX on Sarge |
| 20:19.23 | spunout | It works better than VNC |
| 20:19.30 | whaq_ | gurubie, have you heard\tried some of those thin client distro like pilot linux? it has clients for citrix, win, vnc, nx, tarantella, etc, etc.. |
| 20:19.32 | Coke | paulswm: it wouldn't run on most much of the hardware that utilizes FAT |
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| 20:19.39 | paulswm | nvz: prolly selling non-PG13 pics to subscribers? |
| 20:19.40 | spunout | And I saw something about LTSP using NX... |
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| 20:20.00 | whaq_ | spunout, do you experience session-resume bug? where it resets the resolution to 'full screen' on any session suspend |
| 20:20.05 | spunout | gurubie: FreeNX will work like Terminal Server in windows |
| 20:20.21 | paulswm | Coke: yeah, you are right I'm sure |
| 20:20.31 | Coke | paulswm: I remember the programming classes I took for advanced, digital electronics courses. With very little RAM and pure assembler with no OS or BIOS calls available you tend to want the simplest possible filesystem. |
| 20:20.38 | spunout | whaq_: no I didnt |
| 20:20.42 | paulswm | Coke: of course |
| 20:21.01 | spunout | whaq_: how did you initiate the session suspend? |
| 20:21.02 | paulswm | Coke: but that's a pathological case |
| 20:21.02 | nvz | paulswm: supposedly.. I only subsribed to two of em.. one was completly legit, and the other well lets just say I reported them and it renewed my interest. |
| 20:21.09 | whaq_ | spunout, have you used it in other resolution than 'full screen' (and suspend from that resolution) |
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| 20:21.24 | Coke | paulswm: although, as things have progressed, people are running fully fledged GNU/Linux systems on very modest hardware. Modest = what was really expensive 1990. :) |
| 20:21.37 | spunout | whaq_: I have used it in 800x600 mode |
| 20:21.44 | whaq_ | spunout - i use windows client, i hit the [X], and it triggers the suspend\exit popup |
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| 20:22.08 | spunout | whaq_: I just click the x... I use it on a debian server with an ubuntu client |
| 20:22.11 | nvz | I am not an investigator, so I cant push much time or money into the investigation.. but there are lots of things i just come by online, and spend some time on when I can |
| 20:22.14 | whaq_ | spunout, and your monitor resolution is different I presume. have you used it on windows client? |
| 20:22.27 | Soran | bbrazil: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 worked |
| 20:22.31 | paulswm | Coke: my wireless router is running Linux from 4mb of nvram in another 4mb of ram |
| 20:22.34 | spunout | whaq_: I have a windows client on the machine in the other room |
| 20:22.37 | Soran | what if i wanted to make a fat32 partition ? |
| 20:22.41 | Coke | paulswm: you are very much correct! there's no reason why my MP3-player should be flawed with FAT and MP3 technology when there is ext2 and vorbis. |
| 20:22.45 | whaq_ | spunout, hm.. i'll try it on linux client tomorrow. |
| 20:22.49 | spunout | whaq_: I will check it out for you right now. |
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| 20:22.55 | Nwallins | has anyone tried to patch the sarge 2.6 kernel for the Zydas wireless USB chipset? see here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-lc100020/ |
| 20:22.58 | bbrazil | Soran: mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 (there's some other option you have to pass for over 2GB) |
| 20:23.02 | whaq_ | spunout, excellent. |
| 20:23.05 | Nwallins | the patch file doesn't seem to be compatible |
| 20:23.12 | Soran | -F 32 |
| 20:23.15 | Soran | i just checked, thanks |
| 20:23.16 | gurubie | whaq_: spunout : I'm unsure how much of NX great cpmression is now included in Debian |
| 20:23.25 | Coke | paulswm: ha. 4M of RAM is HUGE. :) my first PC ever had 4M RAM and I thought it was an enormous upgrade from my 1MB in my Amiga. (not to mention going from 128K to 1M when moving from C128 to Amiga 500) |
| 20:23.26 | gurubie | newer VNC |
| 20:23.36 | Cabbage | Hi, iIs there a debian-legal or similar channel? |
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| 20:24.06 | Xenguy | spunout: I have tried to make a FreeNX connection from work, but I keep getting various errors. Can you tell me what .deb's you are using? |
| 20:24.12 | whaq_ | gurubie, what's that? |
| 20:24.13 | goron | With every "upgrade", Debian screws up my symlinks for my libGL libs.... |
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| 20:24.19 | gurubie | Newer debian pools VNC includeds newer compression. |
| 20:24.20 | Coke | paulswm: there's a swedish company who produces MP3-players and they have firmware for it so you can play ogg vorbis and flac files on ext filesystems. |
| 20:24.34 | gurubie | ...like NX I think. |
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| 20:24.48 | bwlang | goron: i bet you're not doing it the debian way... i recommend against installing anything that is not a dpkg |
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| 20:25.05 | whaq_ | gurubie, you mean VNC has a new algorithm in its protocol and the vnc package for debian already includes it? |
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| 20:25.14 | pingouin_ | bitlbee users around ? troubles to connect with msn server today ? |
| 20:25.28 | orchid | Cabbage: /msg ChanServ list #*debian* |
| 20:25.47 | nite613 | pingouin_: centericq isn't connecting to MSN today either :( |
| 20:26.02 | gurubie | spunout: I think boot from a rom like CD/floppy is more zero maintance and doesn't touch the underling old computer being used as a terminal as opposed to NX. |
| 20:26.08 | pingouin_ | ok nite613 thx |
| 20:26.17 | goron | bwlang: What I do is: install nvidia drivers via *.run something and install ut2004. It worked before with other updates. It's only recently that Debian does the wrong thing. |
| 20:26.19 | vulture | nite613: I've not had a lot of luck with MSN on CenterICQ, I few people I can talk to, a whole lot of others I can't |
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| 20:26.29 | gurubie | whaq_: that's what it looked like to me. See apt-get. |
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| 20:26.33 | strubbel | Hi, since i told my syslogd to write to /dev/tty8 it writes to every terminal that has focus (if one could say so)...with iptables logging i really get mad ?$%&# unfortunately i can't find the mistake in syslog.conf...would anyone be kind to dip into it ? |
| 20:26.41 | Cabbage | orchid> Thanks. There wasn't one. Drat! |
| 20:26.42 | nite613 | vulture: I've been running the latest version and have no real trouble with it |
| 20:26.55 | bwlang | goron: debian does the right thing... installing random binaries from some vendor or other is the "wrong" (tm) thing |
| 20:26.55 | nvz | paulswm: the part that bothered me the most, was when I actually signed up for them and realized the abiguity in the anonymous registration methods.. I then started looking into the credit companies they use. I dont know how far the FBI is getting, but I got a hell of a case file myself. |
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| 20:27.16 | gurubie | spunout: But I'm talking local solution only now. |
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| 20:27.24 | Soran | is there a way to make my kde user root ? |
| 20:27.35 | Soran | like an 'su' for kde |
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| 20:27.38 | paulswm | nvz: I suspect the problem is worse in the former USSR where there are lots of homeless kids, lots of families near poverty and some very nasty criminals |
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| 20:27.40 | gurubie | I think NX is on tops for remote (internet) control. |
| 20:27.54 | Cabbage | What's the lastest situation on DFSG versus GFDL? |
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| 20:27.57 | bwlang | Soran: there is something like that kdesu maybe... i think it's in the menu structure |
| 20:28.00 | KimHansen_ | strubbel: does 'dmesg -n1' stop the logging? |
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| 20:28.14 | gurubie | whaq_: So you're suceeded with an open NX server? |
| 20:28.16 | nvz | paulswm: yeah I know.. it is.. thought most of these are out of dallas.. I can spit on em from here |
| 20:28.25 | strubbel | Soran: you could "ssh -X root@localhost" but i don't recommend this |
| 20:28.36 | goron | bwlang: Well, I don't consider nvidia to be random, and the updates before the last two were ok. It's only the last two and probably those in the future too. |
| 20:28.38 | Chubby | I'm having some trouble and I don't realy know how to call it -> http://slacer.homelinux.org:8787/~stievie/kleine-letters.png Could somebody please help me? |
| 20:28.46 | spunout | gurubie: works for me, a little slow when i have more than one connection...1.7 athlon server... |
| 20:28.53 | whaq_ | gurubie, freenx installs and works swell, except for that suspend session thing |
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| 20:29.27 | goron | bwlang: Even Windows isn't overwritten by Debian... so why do it here. |
| 20:29.31 | whaq_ | gurubie, did it work ok for you? start windowed session, smaller than your screen's resolution. then suspend the darn thing, and try resuming. |
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| 20:30.02 | bbrazil | Soran: gksu (gnome) and sux(?) |
| 20:30.06 | nvz | paulswm: there are a lot of things that don't add up to me anymore. I over analyize everything anymore.. some other things that bothers me a lot are the FDA, and cable television.. heh |
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| 20:30.13 | bwlang | goron: ideally - if you need those binaries you (or somebody) would make a dpkg that scripts their download and install so that other packages don't trample them... you could do a search for which dpkg is overwriting those files... |
| 20:30.15 | gurubie | Suspend did work for me on the comercial trial. |
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| 20:30.46 | valdyn_ | Chubby: how are you getting into X? startx? |
| 20:30.46 | whaq_ | gurubie, commercial eval license on commercial nxserver for debian? i bet it does.. |
| 20:30.48 | spunout | Xenguy: I used the kanotix apt- source : deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian ./ |
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| 20:31.07 | pipeline | spunout: kanotix isn't debian... |
| 20:31.29 | nvz | paulswm: this is how I spend my spare time.. sacrificing serenity for wisdom, in picking apart things that most people just accept |
| 20:31.44 | Nwallins | has anyone patched their kernel successfully for the Zydas wireless USB chipset? |
| 20:31.45 | spunout | pipeline: but it works with my sarge. I used the apt-source, installed the package, and commented out hte line in my sources.list |
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| 20:31.47 | Chubby | valdyn_, gdm |
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| 20:31.50 | lewis | hey - I can't seem to get exim4 mailbox quotas to work - can anyone help me with this? |
| 20:31.52 | gurubie | whaq_: I talking about NX suspening my place on a distant NX server (Not computer suspend). FOr clarity./ |
| 20:31.54 | paulswm | nvz: with you on the FDA but I like cable tv, the thing that bothers me the most is the growing power of the religious right in the republican party, like AShcroft who I think is very scary |
| 20:31.55 | Xenguy | spunout: tx - same ones I used (I think it must be firewall-type issues). Did you do '--add user nx' or anything similar when setting it up? |
| 20:32.00 | Soran | because i'm trying to access a secondary drive that was auto-mounted in kde on my desktop |
| 20:32.05 | pipeline | gurubie: You may want to look into regular X11 + LBX, which is effectively what NX is |
| 20:32.11 | valdyn_ | Chubby: ok, give me a min |
| 20:32.17 | Soran | its ext3 but i can't write to it, because it says only root cna read to it |
| 20:32.32 | bwlang | paulswm: uh mee too - but 1) ashcroft is out and 2) this is #debian |
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| 20:32.45 | whaq_ | gurubie, ok thanks |
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| 20:32.54 | whaq_ | brb, gotta reboot for new scsi installation |
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| 20:32.59 | strubbel | Soran: what does mount say? |
| 20:33.04 | spunout | Xenguy: No, I just apt-get installed it, then copied the client.dsa.key files over... I didnt use nomachine key |
| 20:33.08 | Soran | ok i just changed the permission in /mnt/hda1 to chmod +777 and its working |
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| 20:33.17 | paulswm | !beer nvz |
| 20:33.27 | nvz | paulswm: what bothers me is my mother has Multiple Sclerosis, and many of my family have died of cancer, had diabetes..etc.. I think the technology is out there to put a stop to all this. |
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| 20:33.32 | Soran | /dev/hda1 |
| 20:33.40 | Soran | /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 20:33.55 | spunout | Xenguy: default nxsetup, i think |
| 20:33.57 | nvz | paulswm: the government is slaning drugs. |
| 20:34.02 | gurubie | pipeline: Yes did that. Now i think a Terminal Server might be best for my local ethernet use. Zero maintienence and faster (I think). BUT tha't no for the internet. |
| 20:34.02 | Jacobo221 | hello, can someone check if http://eurorange.serveftp.com is working? thanks ;) |
| 20:34.18 | bwlang | nvz: the technology is not out there.... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look (which is what we're doing now) |
| 20:34.18 | strubbel | Soran: you allready solved the problem :) |
| 20:34.29 | eugenesan | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.32 | Xenguy | spunout: OK, and you didn't need to modify your firewall, or /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 20:34.32 | daft_ | brullo, I cant load any movie in to kino |
| 20:34.33 | Nwallins | Jacobo221: seems to time out |
| 20:34.40 | Soran | Jacobo221 doesn't work for me |
| 20:34.40 | nvz | bwlang: dont be so nieve. :) |
| 20:34.48 | valdyn_ | Chubby: try apt-get install gtk-theme-switch and use that tool "switch" in that package, or modify /etc/gdm/gdm.conf by adding "-dpi 100" at the end of the line "command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -audit 0...." below the line "# Definition of the standard X server." |
| 20:35.02 | spunout | Xenguy: enable openSSL, and open up port 22 |
| 20:35.02 | Jacobo221 | Nwallins, Soran: :'-( thanks |
| 20:35.02 | paulswm | nvz: my spouse is terminally ill and I am right there with you, sorry to hear about your mom, and I guess I'd better shut up now becasue to topic police in the form of bwlang are after me |
| 20:35.02 | bwlang | nvz: i'm many things... but not naive |
| 20:35.16 | nvz | bwlang: you are a better speller than me.. hah |
| 20:35.45 | Xenguy | spunout: hrm, to enable openSSL, what method do you use? |
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| 20:35.51 | zdedog | salut |
| 20:35.54 | bwlang | nvz: actually we're both lazy... no easy access to umlaut for me... |
| 20:35.56 | Nwallins | salve |
| 20:35.58 | zdedog | Why we can put a bot into #anti_p? |
| 20:36.07 | nvz | bwlang: *nod* |
| 20:36.17 | spunout | Xenguy: It's in the configuration tab of the client second tab after you clikc configuration i think |
| 20:36.24 | green_earz | Jacobo221: An error occurred while loading http://eurorange.serveftp.com: Timeout on server |
| 20:36.32 | lewis | anyone got exim4 mailbox quotas working? |
| 20:36.34 | spunout | Xenguy: the nx client, that is... |
| 20:36.41 | Xenguy | spunout: oh, the client, right -- I thought you meant server-side |
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| 20:36.49 | Jacobo221 | green_earz: did you try right now? i changed something, could you try once more? thanks |
| 20:36.55 | kreg | Knight_Lord, this may help. http://www.roenfeldt.com/~kreg/stuff/kregnet.jpg |
| 20:36.57 | bwlang | nvz: know anything about mtu? ;) |
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| 20:37.07 | spunout | Xenguy: server-side, make sure that ssh is running |
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| 20:37.10 | nvz | bwlang: you mean as in COmputer netwroking? |
| 20:37.22 | spunout | Xenguy: /etc/init.d/sshd start I think |
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| 20:37.46 | bwlang | nvz: yeah.. i need to figure out how to set an mtu for my vpn ... but i don't want to decrease the performance of the rest of my connections |
| 20:37.48 | gurubie | pipeline: One can take an OLD 98 machine the kids play games on (which has no more HD space and runs KDE too slow), pop in a net boot CD or Floppy (or NIC ROM) and viola! A (local) fast KDE session form your terminal serving real (Sarge) computer! |
| 20:37.54 | green_earz | Jacobo221: the same |
| 20:37.59 | nvz | bwlang: only thing I know is I think its like a govenor or something |
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| 20:38.08 | Jacobo221 | green_earz: :-( well, thanks. i'll keep trying ;) |
| 20:38.15 | nvz | bwlang: computer networking isnt my specialty |
| 20:38.23 | Xenguy | spunout: nod - I've done all that AFAICT. One guy on a 'Ubuntu' forum had the exact same 2 error messages, but I never saw any solution posted (I even emailed him but no response) |
| 20:38.30 | green_earz | np |
| 20:38.38 | spunout | gurubie: so are you using ltsp? |
| 20:38.42 | Nwallins | Jacobo221: i'm in |
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| 20:39.01 | spunout | Xenguy: what error messages? |
| 20:39.08 | bwlang | nvz: well - i was mostly kidding anyway.. - best wishes to your family - i work hard on similar problems - they're tough to solve. |
| 20:39.14 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.18 | gurubie | pipeline: The benifit being now you instantly have TWO Sarge workstations/interfaces. |
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| 20:39.43 | Chubby | valdyn_, I did apt-get install gtk-theme-switch and switched, no difference, do I need to restart X/Gnome? |
| 20:40.03 | knapjack | Hey, it looks like Abiword doesn't have a debian menu entry. Can someone else double-check for me? |
| 20:40.08 | heviarti | anyone here use openoffice? |
| 20:40.15 | paulswm | !anyone |
| 20:40.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:40.24 | nvz | bwlang: yeah.. especially when you got a disease that is literally all in your head.. and you dont have the will or the faith to conquer it |
| 20:40.30 | Chubby | heviarti, I do |
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| 20:40.36 | Xenguy | spunout: here's the URL -> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2004-December/000529.html |
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| 20:40.58 | gurubie | spunout: So far, only tested knx terminal server from knx live cd (server) and use a net boot burned CD on the old box AND IT WORKED (albiet like running a live CD). I'm still working on getting Sarge up. Any advice? |
| 20:41.08 | daft_ | is there a avi2mov conversion tool? |
| 20:41.09 | heviarti | Chubby: the first time I exported a pdf, it asked me for a quality setting, now it doesn't. |
| 20:41.22 | heviarti | Chubby: how do i access that dialog again? |
| 20:41.23 | gurubie | Advaice for LTSP in Sarge? |
| 20:41.27 | Xenguy | spunout: at the bottom of that URL, 'Jason Tally' reports errors that are similar to mine |
| 20:41.32 | popey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.33 | knapjack | daft_: Yes, but not free. |
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| 20:41.55 | Chubby | heviarti, I'm checking it out |
| 20:41.57 | gurubie | Anyone use terminal serving loacally with Sarge? |
| 20:42.05 | green_earz | Jacobo221: its up and running |
| 20:42.06 | Jacobo221 | Nwallins, green_earz: thanks! :))) |
| 20:42.06 | knapjack | popey: I think it's the default ICA install location. There's some trick to making it work. Symlink, maybe. |
| 20:42.11 | daft_ | not free for companys or not free for every one? |
| 20:42.14 | popey | thanks knapjack |
| 20:42.17 | popey | will fiddle |
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| 20:42.54 | kreg | Knight_Lord, dunno if that made it appear to have more sense, of if you already pictured something like that. |
| 20:43.06 | kreg | Knight_Lord, or better yet.....it's sunday and no one cares! >: ) |
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| 20:43.41 | pipeline | Chubby: I think you need to change your dpi setting in gnome-font-preferences |
| 20:43.46 | Hezik_ | hello :) |
| 20:43.55 | Cabbage | What's the lastest situation on DFSG versus GFDL? |
| 20:44.02 | strubbel | would anyone be kind enough to glimpse in my syslog.conf ? |
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| 20:44.08 | Hezik_ | I just compiled a new kernel.. when i boot it, i have no keyboard, but the mouse works.. anyone got any idea why? I'm using 'testing', kernel 2.6.8 |
| 20:44.15 | Hezik_ | and a ps/2 keyboard |
| 20:44.20 | pipeline | Hezik_: Install a stock kernel. |
| 20:44.24 | Chubby | heviarti, when I export as PDF I can chose the compression I wanna use, next time I export as PDF I get the same dialog. Is that wath you mean? |
| 20:44.36 | heviarti | Chubby: i do not get that dialog anymore |
| 20:44.39 | Hezik_ | pipeline: thats fast, something wrong with the debian kernels? |
| 20:44.42 | valdyn_ | Chubby: dont need to restart X / gnome. Some aps dont react on that switch, some do, i have no idea why |
| 20:44.54 | heviarti | after export as PDF the first tiem, it has not given it again. |
| 20:44.56 | nite613 | pingouin_: you still here? MSN just started working for me in centericq again |
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| 20:45.05 | heviarti | Chubby: I need to jack the quality up.. |
| 20:45.07 | valdyn_ | Chubby: so try the other thing, or, even easier for testing purposes : startx -- -dpi 100 :1 |
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| 20:45.30 | pingouin_ | nite613: yeah also, bitlbee at last has a connection |
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| 20:45.48 | heviarti | Chubby: it's like it set my initial selection at that dialog as defalt after the save, and now on subsequent saves it uses the same default... |
| 20:45.52 | Hezik_ | pipeline? something wrong with the debian kernel sources? |
| 20:45.53 | heviarti | that is *WRONG* |
| 20:45.53 | pingouin_ | nite613: i hate my friend that use msn, there almost not friends... ;) |
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| 20:46.05 | gurubie | -How do you (correctly) move Sarge from one partition to another? |
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| 20:46.48 | Chubby | heviarti, I don't know that much about OOo, look in your ~./openoffice |
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| 20:47.20 | heviarti | Chubby: is there an irc channel? |
| 20:47.57 | gurubie | can you move an install after it's been built up, to another partition? |
| 20:47.58 | Chubby | I don't know, http://www.openoffice.org <- look there, or join a forum |
| 20:48.08 | heviarti | because i have the file open and ready to save.. the only way i can think to fix it is to kill -9 the program so it doesn't write it's defaults, and then restart... |
| 20:48.13 | riftraft | hi, i am new to debian. Can anyone tell me why shutting down smb and nmb does not shutdown samba service. I will stop these command and if I do a ps -ef I have to kill the two samba processes before it will shut down. This is with sarge |
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| 20:48.54 | pingouin_ | riftraft: how do you stop them ? |
| 20:48.55 | xelam|home | riftraft: use "/etc/init.d/samba stop" to do that |
| 20:48.55 | gurubie | riftraft: Because there's Samba client and samba server. |
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| 20:49.07 | nite613 | pingouin_: Haha, yeah, I almost drew that line in the sand awhile back, saying "Do I really need to talk to these people in IM?" |
| 20:49.18 | xelam|home | riftraft: tits, don't just kill the pids. |
| 20:49.20 | riftraft | I stop by /etc/init.d |
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| 20:49.26 | Hezik | I just compiled a new kernel.. when i boot it, i have no keyboard, but the mouse works.. anyone got any idea why? I'm using 'testing', kernel 2.6.8 and a ps/2 keyboard |
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| 20:49.57 | riftraft | and also tried by /etc/rc3.d |
| 20:50.04 | valdyn_ | Hezik: because you didnt explicitely compile ps/2 keyboard support in |
| 20:50.10 | paulswm | bwlang: was wondering why it is that you feel it's OK for you to be off topic but not OK for me, did I miss something |
| 20:50.13 | Hezik | valdyn_: actually i did |
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| 20:50.15 | pingouin_ | nite613: yeah ;) sorry my english soooo bad ;) my girlfriend does...use this msn on an family computer running Wxxxx :/ |
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| 20:50.48 | gurubie | Anyone have any probs with reiser and 2.6.10? |
| 20:50.48 | riftraft | doing a /etc/init.d/samba stop does not kill all processes |
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| 20:51.01 | Hezik | on 'device drivers' --> 'input device support' there's a check before 'ps/2' |
| 20:51.06 | valdyn_ | Hezik: so it works in the console but not in X? |
| 20:51.14 | Hezik | valdyn no it doesnt work at all |
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| 20:51.30 | green_earz | Hezik: did you use make oldconfig |
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| 20:51.44 | green_earz | ? |
| 20:52.07 | Hezik | green_earz: no? I installed kernel sources, did a make mrproper and selected the stuff i wanted (didn't deselect anything) |
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| 20:52.45 | tin | I have two hard drives, currently I'm running off hda and I'm trying to install on hdb. I have been able to successfully install debian using the install by hard disk method, but I want to get rid of hda, and instead boot using hdb. The installation program cannot setup the mbr on hdb when I go through the "make system bootable" menu. |
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| 20:53.52 | drac | Having trouble with my IPV6, i've closed tunnel, and nothing should be using ipv6 module, but I still can't unload it cause it's claiming something is. Is there command I can give to check what a hell is using it? |
| 20:54.02 | fusion | tin: have you tried making hdb primary and hda secondary? so that hda becomes hdb and hdb becomes hda? |
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| 20:54.16 | simonrvn | drac: you can't unload it once it's loaded |
| 20:54.20 | Hezik | pipeline: see http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 20:54.32 | Hezik | and see there that there are no nvidia modules for a testing stock kernel |
| 20:54.34 | drac | simonrvn: ah ok |
| 20:54.38 | Ringo999 | @all: ok debian running with gnome and sound not working. soundblaster live! card. here some more info: cat /dev/sndstat gives me; Aduio devies: not enabled in config Synth devices: " ... Mixers: not enabled in config - what is the prob, where/what do i have to enable? |
| 20:54.38 | pingouin_ | fusion: isnt this idea strange ? |
| 20:54.39 | Hezik | so i have to compile it myself |
| 20:54.39 | tin | fusion: i tried booting directly from hdb once, but the screen shows mbr followed by a bunch of 10's |
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| 20:55.01 | fusion | pingouin_: I'm sorry, I didnt see anyone else suggest anything :) |
| 20:55.10 | OpenReal | hello I am trying to use mondo and need to set the scsi bus of my dvd recorder (i am only usuing cdrs though) the device is /dev/hdc and k3b works but cdrecord --scanbus only shows my scsi hard disc and no cdrecorders |
| 20:55.18 | pingouin_ | fusion: it's also a question ;) |
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| 20:55.46 | fusion | pingouin_: why is it strange? it isnt working so I'm trying to think of ways to help |
| 20:56.41 | Ringo999 | someone plz help. :( |
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| 20:57.34 | green_earz | Hezik: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ should help with nvidia |
| 20:57.36 | OpenReal | in a 2.4 kernel cdwriters dont need scsi emulation right? |
| 20:57.45 | pingouin_ | fusion: i dont know...i'm wonder, on the path to use the best way to handle hard drives.... i was not teasing you with my msg sorry i you feel it bad |
| 20:57.54 | strubbel | gurubie: comes a bit late, but to copy an entire partition you could use perhaps "dump" if its ext2, or a "cp -R" construction. |
| 20:57.55 | Hezik | green_earz: i already read that page, and actually it doesnt :P |
| 20:58.01 | KhanFused | Can someone point me to a decent (i.e. not newbie-scary) howto for setting up a linksys wireless card on a new sarge install? My google terms are sending me all over hither and yon ... but that might be what happens when I try to use google without caffiene |
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| 20:58.30 | Hezik | since there are no nvidia packages for testing, and i get no keyboard after compiling a kernel, which i need to do if i want to install nvidia packages |
| 20:58.34 | pingouin_ | what is a newbie-scary howto ? |
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| 20:59.11 | Chubby | valdyn_, Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed. I open switch in gnome-terminal, this is the msg I get when I press aplly |
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| 20:59.29 | green_earz | Hezik: have you tryed it with the kernel-image and nvidia ? |
| 20:59.50 | psywar | hmm my zaptel kmod problems were solved by removing /usr/include/linux and copying in stuff from /usr/src/linux/include/linux |
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| 21:00.04 | psywar | I guess it wasn't a #c question after all |
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| 21:00.31 | Active2 | hmmz my ipsec link has his own life... |
| 21:00.50 | tzafrir_home | psywar: what version of Zaptel? |
| 21:00.51 | OpenReal | if I want to enable cdwriter ide-scsi emulation can I just pass the kernel the line from lilo /dev/hdc=ide-scsi |
| 21:01.08 | psywar | tzafrir_home: the latest CVS code |
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| 21:01.45 | psywar | zaptel #includes stuff like <linux/kernel.h> and the file that debian installed there was from another planet. |
| 21:01.49 | tzafrir_home | removing /usr/include/linux seems wrong |
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| 21:01.57 | simonrvn | eek |
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| 21:02.21 | bpence | Can someone tell me how to get smbfs support into my kernel? |
| 21:02.24 | psywar | it was incompatible with the latest gcc, generated syntax errors all over the place |
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| 21:02.30 | FieldySnuts | recompile it with that support |
| 21:02.43 | bpence | ok, I don't know how to do that. |
| 21:02.49 | streuner__ | OpenReal: just load the module |
| 21:02.49 | streuner__ | !test |
| 21:02.49 | dpkg | Yes, streuner__, you're still online. |
| 21:02.54 | pingouin_ | bpence: debian kernel ? |
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| 21:02.58 | psywar | get the kernel source, untar it, "make menuconfig" |
| 21:03.06 | bpence | pingouin_: yes, 2.2.20 |
| 21:03.35 | pingouin_ | bpence: root modconf and look for it to enable it in module , maybe think about use an newer kernel also |
| 21:03.42 | KhanFused | ping: re- Newbie-scary howtos ... I'm not quite 'newbie' (have been 'using' a deb system for a while now, and am not afraid of the shell) ... but I still haven't done a kernel compile unassisted ... and if the info pages I'm looking at so far have any answers, I'm not seeing them. Linksys' info page for upgrading drivers were for a different model of card, and they started out with 'recompile drivers into kernel' ... which made my head spin. |
| 21:03.48 | KhanFused | ... did that make any sense whatsoever? |
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| 21:03.58 | tzafrir_home | psywar: I wonder how simple it would be to adapt the existing zaptel Debs to the CVS version |
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| 21:04.21 | bpence | pingouin_: it's not in the modconf list.. |
| 21:04.23 | psywar | the zaptel-source debs gave the same problems btw |
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| 21:04.46 | green_earz | OpenReal: with the 2.6 kernel there is no need to add scsi emulation is it woody you are running ? |
| 21:04.54 | tzafrir_home | psywar: not here (sarge) |
| 21:05.03 | psywar | I was runnig sarge too |
| 21:05.03 | pingouin_ | bpence: so your're kernel to old ? |
| 21:05.15 | bpence | pingouin_: I don't know.. is it? |
| 21:05.21 | strubbel | bpence: i have a litle text file with the steps you have to perform to build a kernel the debian way...do you want it? |
| 21:05.26 | simonrvn | woody doesn't havw 2.6 kernels |
| 21:05.30 | simonrvn | have* |
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| 21:05.35 | pingouin_ | bpence: sorry i dont know in which kernel this module appeared |
| 21:05.35 | psywar | and compiling zaptel-source was like almost the first thing I did after installing |
| 21:05.51 | green_earz | yes |
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| 21:05.55 | bpence | strubbel: I'm kind of just hoping I can download a module or something and run it.. |
| 21:06.12 | psywar | I asked around in here and some idiot told me it was a #c problem |
| 21:06.38 | strubbel | bpence: if the module is in a custom debian kernel package you can just install it and you are fine |
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| 21:06.45 | tzafrir_home | psywar: though keep in mind that the debs of zaptel are a bit dusty. I use my own |
| 21:06.50 | pingouin_ | psywar: dont believe what people say here ;) |
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| 21:07.01 | strubbel | bpence: and load it of course |
| 21:07.12 | tactless | Really general computer-related question: |
| 21:07.18 | kzar | how do you make a shell script "press" controll-c? |
| 21:07.28 | tactless | Would using 16 bpp instead of 32 bpp save power on a laptop? |
| 21:07.30 | psywar | if debian installs a /usr/include/linux that doesn't work with the C compiler it installs, I consider that a debian problem |
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| 21:07.38 | strubbel | bpence: else you have to build a kernel by yourself from the sources |
| 21:07.38 | bpence | if I just apt-get a newer kernel, would that option appear? |
| 21:07.41 | psywar | version mismatch problem, at the least |
| 21:07.44 | knapjack | Does anyone know of a presentation package that's not OpenOffice? Something lighter, like Abiword but for presentations? |
| 21:07.50 | strubbel | s/custom/stock/ |
| 21:07.54 | psywar | knapjack: slitex |
| 21:08.04 | knapjack | psywar: Thanks |
| 21:08.06 | fraxtal | Is it very hard to set up grub from scratch? |
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| 21:08.21 | tactless | fraxtal: Not at all |
| 21:08.24 | knapjack | psywar: What are you using for a viewer? |
| 21:08.26 | strubbel | bpence: oh yes...maybe |
| 21:08.40 | psywar | knapjack: don't actually use it myself |
| 21:08.41 | bpence | strubbel: ok, I'll try that.. thx.. |
| 21:08.43 | fraxtal | tactless: Is it about as difficult as setting up lilo? |
| 21:08.57 | tactless | fraxtal: Easier, I think |
| 21:09.07 | knapjack | psywar: I've been looking at groff + acroread, too, but I'm also looking for something that passes the grandma test ;) |
| 21:09.12 | tactless | It's dead easy in debian, it takes care of it for you. |
| 21:09.19 | tactless | Not that hard without the automation either. |
| 21:09.22 | strubbel | i would recommend to use a 2.4 kernel with woody...with new hw a 2.6 with sarge |
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| 21:09.33 | fraxtal | tactless: Oh is there some command that will set it up for me? |
| 21:09.50 | tactless | fraxtal: grub ;) |
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| 21:09.59 | fraxtal | tactless: heh thanks |
| 21:10.08 | tactless | fraxtal: grub-install is quicker |
| 21:10.12 | tactless | fraxtal: manpages galore |
| 21:10.23 | pipeline | tactless: No. It's going to power all of your VRAM whether you're using it or not. |
| 21:10.57 | tactless | pipeline: Same with shared VRAM, right? |
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| 21:11.02 | Knight_Lord | knapjack: SliTeX has been superseded by the slides document class in LaTeX2e |
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| 21:11.19 | tactless | pipeline: (I don't mind about the actual quantity, I added 256MBs) |
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| 21:12.38 | Gwildor | hello, could anyone please tell me if there is a "hydrogen" .deb available in any of the repos? |
| 21:12.41 | jmstacey | what is the best partition type to use in a hostin environment? (woody & 100gb+ HD's) |
| 21:12.51 | jmstacey | *hosting |
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| 21:13.21 | troex | hello, how can i disable snmpd listening on tcp ? |
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| 21:13.32 | Knight_Lord | jmstacey: the best performing filesystem that i know of is xfs |
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| 21:13.37 | _rene_ | Gwildor: why don't you look youself? |
| 21:13.45 | _rene_ | Gwildor: hint: packages.debian.org |
| 21:13.45 | annoia | Can I convince anyone to help me getting S/PDIF to work with my alsa? |
| 21:13.49 | jmstacey | Knight_Lord: and thats available in woody? |
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| 21:13.58 | Gwildor | _rene_: kk, i didnt have a url to look for......thnx |
| 21:14.16 | Knight_Lord | Knight_Lord: it exists on 2.4 i beleive if that's your question |
| 21:14.23 | uGexe | i have 3 devices on irq 193.. 1 is a usb contrller and 1 is an ide interface (both intel so probally for the chipset), but the 3rd is an addon card. should i change the slot the add on card is in? |
| 21:14.24 | annoia | ... And a soundblaster Live! |
| 21:14.43 | Knight_Lord | jmspeex: it exists on 2.4 i beleive if that's your question |
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| 21:14.54 | Knight_Lord | jmspeex: but i'm using sarge for my servers |
| 21:14.58 | Tuttle | Hi ppl, what do you recommend me to do or read when I reached "No partitionable media were found" in Sarge Weekly ISO installer on Dell PowerEdge 1800 using CERC SATA RAID 1 ctrl? |
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| 21:15.30 | Knight_Lord | Tuttle: does that "thing" has linux drivers? |
| 21:15.32 | Gwildor | _rene_: thnx alot, i found it |
| 21:15.48 | Shadur | Tuttle: At a guess, I'd say that the kernel you used doesn't have drivers for that SATA version. |
| 21:15.51 | Cabbage | Why isn't coreutils in non-free? |
| 21:15.53 | petemc | Tuttle: maybe try the woody iso made for dell servers, linked from the dell linux page |
| 21:16.01 | Knight_Lord | Shadur: most correctly |
| 21:16.04 | ignotus | hi, what is the simplest / easiest way to get java on my machine? (I only need that for firefox) |
| 21:16.06 | nvz | Gwildor: yessir it is |
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| 21:16.12 | Tuttle | Knight_Lord: yes, the hw raid has been succesfully partitioned previously using another Linux installation CD |
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| 21:16.31 | nvz | Gwildor: afaik nobody has packaged the drumkits available from hydrogen.sf.net though |
| 21:16.34 | Knight_Lord | Tuttle: ok. that's not really hardware raid is it? |
| 21:16.34 | Tuttle | Shadur: but cat /proc/partitions show the partitions well |
| 21:17.03 | Tuttle | petemc: you mean this? http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
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| 21:17.25 | Tuttle | Knight_Lord: I thought it is :-) first time I touch such thing |
| 21:17.30 | cthulfuego | Why is it that Dell is not able to create any sort of decent hardware? |
| 21:17.34 | mage__ | mmh is the maintener ofy kernel-source-2.4.xx dead ? |
| 21:17.39 | FieldySnuts | because it's dell, stay away |
| 21:17.40 | Knight_Lord | cthulfuego: indeed |
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| 21:18.08 | Gwildor | nvz: oh, im just "testing" it, my friend want a laptop for making music.......i just need to know what kinda of performance to expect from older machines |
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| 21:18.43 | Cabbage | cthulfuego> It's supposed to be cheap, not robust |
| 21:18.47 | Knight_Lord | Tuttle: have you tried booting using a 2.6 kernel? (is it woody or sarge?) |
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| 21:19.12 | cthulfuego | Cabbage: md is cheaper and robuster <heh> |
| 21:19.22 | Tuttle | knighly: I'm trying linux26 on sarge weekly iso |
| 21:19.31 | Herodes | hi... |
| 21:19.43 | cthulfuego | !cerc |
| 21:19.43 | dpkg | well, cerc is see perc |
| 21:19.46 | cthulfuego | !perc |
| 21:19.47 | dpkg | perc is probably See 'perc3 iso' |
| 21:19.51 | cthulfuego | !perc3 iso |
| 21:19.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, perc3 iso is <topdog> dell 1650 perc3 and gateway 975 server iso (same iso) is HERE http://delta-flyer.musc.edu/~brucej/ |
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| 21:20.08 | cthulfuego | MAYBE that has cerc support too |
| 21:20.16 | Herodes | anybody can tell me if migration from woody to sarge on P1 133 can be dangerous?. |
| 21:20.25 | cthulfuego | Herodes: Should be fine. |
| 21:20.25 | Knight_Lord | Cabbage: md is so good that i have 2 3ware 9500 and i use md jbod |
| 21:20.49 | nvz | Gwildor: right, well its decent.. there are lots of cool music apps, Rosegaden, TerminatorX, CheeseTracker, Audacity. There are lots of things for guitar and instruments too, tuners, tablature editors, effects boxes. |
| 21:20.49 | Knight_Lord | Herodes: not dangerous that in any other computer |
| 21:20.51 | strubbel | ignotus: you could use the java-package to buil a jre deb |
| 21:20.55 | Herodes | ok |
| 21:20.58 | strubbel | !java |
| 21:20.59 | dpkg | methinks java is a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 21:21.09 | Herodes | i use it as a router |
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| 21:21.26 | ignotus | strubbel: thanks |
| 21:21.39 | sigma957 | ignotus: I found this link, worked great for me.. http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian |
| 21:21.40 | paulswm | Herodes: should be fine |
| 21:22.02 | nvz | Gwildor: you really cant half-ass it when it comes to using a PC for music.. shitty hardware usually doesnt cut it for anyone serious |
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| 21:22.18 | Tuttle | Knight_Lord: (sorry for the typo previously:) I'm trying linux26 on sarge weekly iso |
| 21:22.20 | cthulfuego | ignotus: You can use java-package (make-jpkg) to create a d.eb from a .bin you can fetch from sun. |
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| 21:22.43 | Gwildor | nvz: he jsut wants to tinker......basically a drum machine is all he is looking for |
| 21:22.55 | Herodes | ok |
| 21:23.00 | ignotus | sig9 cthulfuego thanks! |
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| 21:23.28 | troex | nobody knows how to make snmpd not to open 199 tcp port? |
| 21:23.49 | ignotus | sigma957: nice link, thanks:) |
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| 21:24.03 | OpenReal | anyone know how to check to see if ide scsi emulation is enabled in my kernel? |
| 21:24.10 | cthulfuego | Gwildor: Couple of empty tins with a piece of wire wrapped around 'em. |
| 21:24.19 | cthulfuego | OpenReal: Check for ide-scsi |
| 21:24.23 | Knight_Lord | Tuttle: i saw it no worries, try the iso people suggested |
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| 21:24.39 | OpenReal | cthulfuego: check where? |
| 21:24.55 | GlitchMaster | Okay... I'm getting sick of this... I've been trying and trying, and I cannot figure out ANY PART of what I need to get OpenGL to run/render on this Radeon 7500 instead of using software rendering. |
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| 21:25.01 | cthulfuego | OpenReal: grep IDESCSI /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:25.09 | OpenReal | cthulfuego: I added /dev/hdc/=ide-scsi in lilo.conf and rebooted and still cdrecord --scanbus show nada |
| 21:25.09 | FieldySnuts | shrug, ati |
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| 21:25.26 | cthulfuego | OpenReal: Yeah, that's not the right syntax. |
| 21:25.31 | GlitchMaster | I have a headache, and I feel like crap. I just want to be able to continue getting Debain to be the greatest thing since available for this machine. |
| 21:25.40 | pestilence | OpenReal: what kernel are you running |
| 21:25.43 | lhurgoyf | OpenReal, if your kernel is 2.6 you do not need that |
| 21:25.44 | GlitchMaster | So... tired... |
| 21:25.47 | GlitchMaster | Must... get done... |
| 21:25.48 | OpenReal | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=m |
| 21:25.48 | OpenReal | CONFIG_CD_NO_IDESCSI=y |
| 21:25.52 | GlitchMaster | Steres... high... |
| 21:25.58 | OpenReal | I am using 2.4.19-k7 |
| 21:26.02 | OpenReal | I mean .18 |
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| 21:26.05 | GlitchMaster | Somebody PLEASE, help me... |
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| 21:26.12 | cthulfuego | 'hdc=ide-scsi' |
| 21:26.12 | GlitchMaster | stress* |
| 21:26.20 | cthulfuego | no dev or / in there |
| 21:26.26 | GlitchMaster | Ye gods.. I've misspelled stress... |
| 21:26.27 | OpenReal | oh man that could be it |
| 21:26.36 | Knight_Lord | GlitchMaster: blame ATI |
| 21:26.47 | OpenReal | lilo returns this Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 21:26.47 | OpenReal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.05 | OpenReal | is that a problem? |
| 21:27.12 | GlitchMaster | Knight_Lord: ATI makes good cards. GeForce makes low-quality shit. My GeForce 4 died for no apparent reason three months into use. |
| 21:27.14 | OpenReal | I have a scsi hard disc |
| 21:27.16 | cthulfuego | OpenReal: Not normally, but it can be. |
| 21:27.27 | GlitchMaster | I was then stuck on a PCI 8 MB card for a month. |
| 21:27.28 | OpenReal | ok im going to try another boot |
| 21:27.33 | cthulfuego | GlitchMaster: the company is nvidia. |
| 21:27.34 | OpenReal | whats the command to get the lilo menu? |
| 21:27.38 | OpenReal | at boot time |
| 21:27.38 | drac | Hmm, I'm compiling kernel 2.6.10 for Pentium II 300MHz (Klamath). What type I should use.. 586/k5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX _or_ Pentium MMX _or_ Pentium-Pro ? |
| 21:27.42 | GlitchMaster | Right.. I know... |
| 21:27.44 | cthulfuego | GlitchMaster: yes, low-end nvdia cards are shit quality. |
| 21:27.51 | GlitchMaster | The company is actually CHAINTECH. |
| 21:28.01 | cthulfuego | drac: Pentium II |
| 21:28.14 | GlitchMaster | HQ in Taiwann, made in China, rep in Cali, etc. |
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| 21:28.24 | drac | cthulfuego: Eh, so that's 586/k5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX ? |
| 21:28.24 | GlitchMaster | Taiwan.. |
| 21:28.28 | cthulfuego | 'Pentium-II/Celeron(pre-Coppermine)' |
| 21:28.29 | GlitchMaster | Elgh.. I can't even think anymore... |
| 21:28.35 | cthulfuego | drac: scroll down in that list |
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| 21:28.52 | drac | cthulfuego: OH MY GOD! I feel stupid now. Yes, thanks. ;) |
| 21:29.06 | Knight_Lord | GlitchMaster: ATI might make good cards, they just have shitty support for linux |
| 21:29.17 | GlitchMaster | Knight_Lord: suggestions?! |
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| 21:29.48 | Knight_Lord | GlitchMaster: download the drivers from ATI and install them |
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| 21:30.00 | nvz | Revenge of the nerds is on, now thats quality television heh |
| 21:30.00 | cthulfuego | GlitchMaster: As far as I'm aware gettign 3d on a 7500 is as easy as making sure the GLcore module loads and having agpgart/radeon drm support in the kernel. |
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| 21:30.06 | GlitchMaster | Knight_Lord: ...THEY HAVE DRIVERS ON THE ATI SITE?!?!! |
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| 21:30.19 | cthulfuego | !fglrx |
| 21:30.19 | dpkg | well, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or usually not worth the effort |
| 21:30.30 | GlitchMaster | cthulfuego: It is not. I would have it at this point. |
| 21:30.34 | Knight_Lord | GlitchMaster: how else do you think you could get it to work. The damn thing is proprietary |
| 21:30.36 | cthulfuego | !ati drivers |
| 21:30.36 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 21:30.49 | nvz | its amusing to me they would play "Revenge of the nerds" during a major NFL Playoff game |
| 21:30.56 | valdyn_ | hey, they added 5 whole points to their new version, _must_ be great now ;) |
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| 21:31.21 | grendal_prime | ok so the pkgs for nvidia do nothing? |
| 21:31.21 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 21:31.41 | cthulfuego | nvz: clearnly revernge of the nerds makes for better television than some dumb sporting event |
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| 21:32.13 | cthulfuego | grendal_prime: They fetch sourced and a binary module, which requires some compilation. |
| 21:32.13 | nvz | cthulfuego: my sentiments exactly. |
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| 21:32.23 | grendal_prime | i mean there are two pkgs on testing...glx-source and kernel-source..but when i edit my x11 config..it still tells me there is no kernel modual found |
| 21:32.43 | Knight_Lord | grendal_prime: read the package documentation |
| 21:32.51 | cthulfuego | grendal_prime: Did you *compile* the kenrel module? Did you install nvidia-glx? |
| 21:32.58 | GlitchMaster | cthulfuego: That does not have drivers for the 7500, ironically. |
| 21:33.08 | grendal_prime | cthulfuego, i cannot seem to find...ok ill look but i didnt see anything at the time |
| 21:33.25 | Aronofsky | got a pb , just installed XP and the debian , but theres a pb with the grub dual boot : I got the msg ' Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7' |
| 21:33.38 | Aronofsky | when i try to boot on win XP |
| 21:33.41 | FieldySnuts | @lart ATI |
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| 21:33.46 | Knight_Lord | green_earz: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source or whatever |
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| 21:33.56 | FieldySnuts | s/clue/glue/ ? though, that is kinda funny |
| 21:34.05 | cthulfuego | GlitchMaster: If it's any consolation, a laptop with a 7500 I installed a couple of years ago worked out of the box. |
| 21:34.40 | Knight_Lord | GlitchMaster: but do you get X working without 3d accel or no X at all? |
| 21:35.04 | grendal_prime | wow..its all there line by line...amazing things those doc files |
| 21:35.05 | grendal_prime | heheh |
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| 21:35.08 | GlitchMaster | cthulfuego: I believe the laptop 7500 card is a bit different. |
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| 21:35.35 | Aronofsky | any ideal about my dual boot pb ? |
| 21:36.13 | Knight_Lord | cthulfuego: although dpkg says that ATI drivers don't support 9700 mobility radeon i'm using that same card on my laptop with 3d accel |
| 21:36.14 | valdyn_ | GlitchMaster: basically for many cards the _only_ difference is that the have a different pci id and dont work for that reason only, so looking for a patch sometimes is promising.. |
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| 21:37.36 | Knight_Lord | cthulfuego: wrong, i have a 9600 dpkg is correct |
| 21:37.39 | GlitchMaster | valdyn: explain? |
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| 21:38.25 | grendal_prime | Module /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.2880 failed. |
| 21:38.32 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:38.44 | valdyn_ | GlitchMaster: pci hardware is identified by a number - if that number is the only thing makeing your card not working, then probably someone else has fixed that already and google might yield a patch |
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| 21:39.18 | OpenReal | k3b will record to my ide cdr why wont mondo |
| 21:39.26 | OpenReal | why do I need scsi emulation for mondo |
| 21:39.41 | GlitchMaster | valdyn_: ...This is an AGP card.. |
| 21:39.46 | Aronofsky | please , really need help about my grub pb ? |
| 21:40.08 | valdyn_ | GlitchMaster: doesnt matter, its still identified like a pci card |
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| 21:40.12 | grendal_prime | cthulfuego, maybe im just confused about the kernel source portion of this |
| 21:40.15 | GlitchMaster | valdyn_: I was talking about an old 8MB PCI card that I had to use when my GeForce died in a rambling statement that had nothing to do with this. |
| 21:40.25 | GlitchMaster | valdyn_: ...oh. |
| 21:40.28 | grendal_prime | it wants the kernel source that i installed via apt right? |
| 21:40.32 | valdyn_ | GlitchMaster: lspci lists agp cards |
| 21:40.37 | grendal_prime | imean.. im using a precompiled kernel |
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| 21:41.00 | grendal_prime | but i have downloaded the source for it as well..or at least i thought i had..is the source tree different? |
| 21:41.06 | GlitchMaster | valdyn_: Heh... So... um... I've googled this problem before and yeilded no results.. but... |
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| 21:42.16 | Nwallins | i have a patch that is looking for /usr/src/linux-2.6.7.rxq any idea how to provide this on sarge? |
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| 21:42.37 | Shadur | Nwallins: Not. use patch -p1 |
| 21:42.41 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: pan patch, you can strip directories when applying it |
| 21:42.47 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: man patch, you can strip directories when applying it |
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| 21:43.28 | GlitchMaster | I'm seeing some things that suggest that X must be 4.2 to support this... How do I observe the version of X currently installed? |
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| 21:43.56 | Nwallins | the readme instructs to do this: patch -p1 <zd1201-0.7/2.6.7-usb-broken-descriptor.diff but i am getting a file-not-found error |
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| 21:44.10 | valdyn_ | GlitchMaster: "X -version" |
| 21:44.16 | Nwallins | can't find file to patch at input line 4 |
| 21:44.18 | Nwallins | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
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| 21:44.31 | OpenReal | hdc=ide-scsi didnt work |
| 21:44.40 | OpenReal | I think I need to recompile my kernel |
| 21:44.44 | Knight_Lord | OpenReal: did you used quotes? |
| 21:44.44 | OpenReal | for ide-scsi support |
| 21:44.58 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: you have to cd into your kernel directory if you do -p 1 |
| 21:45.06 | GlitchMaster | Well hell, that was an old article. I'm using 4.3.x :P |
| 21:45.10 | Nwallins | i was in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ |
| 21:45.12 | christor | Please I need information aboout a porblem, I have sometimes 2 stations debian/sarge which freeze and need to reboot. The syslog shows outo of memory killed process.. Is it a bug? |
| 21:45.16 | OpenReal | append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 21:45.27 | grendal_prime | ok what in the hell does this mean |
| 21:45.28 | grendal_prime | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 21:45.29 | OpenReal | thats the line under image=vmLinuz |
| 21:45.38 | Nwallins | i also made a symlink called linux-2.6.7 since that is what the patch seems to look for |
| 21:45.42 | grendal_prime | i mean...that seems to be the start of the problem |
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| 21:45.54 | Shadur | Nwallins: you don'tneed those. |
| 21:45.58 | valdyn_ | grendal_prime: that gz file isnt ok |
| 21:46.02 | OpenReal | how can I check to see if my kernel supports idescsi |
| 21:46.05 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 21:46.08 | robin_sz | grendal_prime: it means the file was too damn short, the end bit is missing |
| 21:46.28 | difeta | how can i killall process and all of its child processes but not kill the rest of the processes in that group? |
| 21:46.51 | Knight_Lord | difeta: processes in that group? |
| 21:47.01 | GlitchMaster | So OpenGL would be what part of a general function that can either be software-based or hardware-based? |
| 21:47.17 | Nwallins | Shadur: hmm.. here is the diff file: http://www.pastebin.com/232584 does it look right? |
| 21:47.25 | Nwallins | eg compatible w/ sarge |
| 21:47.56 | Shadur | Nwallins: I don't care what it looks like. I already told you what to do. |
| 21:48.02 | Shadur | You just didn't listen to me or valdyn_. |
| 21:48.04 | Knight_Lord | Do you beleive that OpenGL 2.0 will be come out before or after Duke nukem forever? |
| 21:48.08 | grendal_prime | ok removed reinstalled...things whent ok thanks |
| 21:48.23 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.25 | Ikarus | Knight_Lord: Duke Nukem Forever will depend on it |
| 21:48.31 | difeta | Knight_Lord, let me rephrase |
| 21:48.33 | difeta | how can i kill all processes running from a bash script. killall scriptname doesnt do the trick. |
| 21:48.36 | Knight_Lord | Ikarus: likely |
| 21:48.38 | chealer | Knight_Lord: did you mean OpenGL4? |
| 21:48.48 | Shadur | nvz: From the kernel tree's root directory? |
| 21:48.53 | Knight_Lord | chealer: what? |
| 21:49.06 | Nwallins | Shadur: from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ |
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| 21:49.51 | chealer | should OpenGL 2 really be out since a long time? |
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| 21:50.13 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 21:50.14 | Knight_Lord | chealer: should sarge be out? |
| 21:50.29 | chealer | IMO, yes |
| 21:50.40 | chealer | but not as much as duke |
| 21:50.45 | Knight_Lord | chealer: then i guess the same applies to opengl 2.0 |
| 21:50.49 | OpenReal | hello I am trying to add two lines to /etc/modules but that file says not to edit that file at all |
| 21:50.57 | OpenReal | in fedora I could edit modprobe.conf |
| 21:51.07 | chealer | oh, so OpenGL 2 really doesn't compete with duke |
| 21:51.10 | OpenReal | what is the debian way to add ide-probe-mod |
| 21:51.11 | OpenReal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.14 | Knight_Lord | OpenReal: modconf |
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| 21:51.34 | OpenReal | Knight_lord:edit /etc/modconf |
| 21:51.36 | valdyn_ | OpenReal: ide-probe-mod? wth? |
| 21:51.37 | robin_sz | and when that doesnt work, then edit modules.conf ;) |
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| 21:51.46 | Knight_Lord | OpenReal: run modconf |
| 21:51.46 | OpenReal | I hhave no ide hard discs |
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| 21:51.51 | OpenReal | only scsi |
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| 21:52.12 | Nwallins | Shadur: i ran patch -p1 from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ is that what you were saying? |
| 21:52.48 | Shadur | Nwallins: Most likely that patch is expecting a *vanilla* kernel source, not the one with a half dozen debian patches applied. |
| 21:52.54 | aokaze | hello. I have windowmaker and I am wanting to change my resolution to 1280x1024. how do I change resolution? |
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| 21:53.12 | nvz | Shadur: pardon meh? |
| 21:53.16 | Nwallins | Shadur: hmmm... so the diff file is not compativle with sarge? |
| 21:53.26 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: you have to edit your XFConfig-4 file |
| 21:53.32 | Nwallins | nvz: he addressed you earlier, tryign to address me |
| 21:53.34 | Shadur | Nwallins: Your question is stupid. Think about it for a moment please. |
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| 21:53.53 | aokaze | Knight_lord: /etc/? |
| 21:54.01 | Nwallins | s/sarge/a stock sarge kernel/ |
| 21:54.07 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: /etc/X11 |
| 21:54.10 | nvz | Nwallins: thats his problem, not ours.. heh nvz != Nwallins |
| 21:54.13 | Nwallins | can you explain my stupidity? |
| 21:54.13 | aokaze | thanks |
| 21:54.17 | OpenReal | ok cool guys thanks I added the modules in modconf, debian has a way better way than fedora! |
| 21:54.22 | OpenReal | gonna reboot and try it out |
| 21:54.57 | robin_sz | debian always has a better way than fedora! |
| 21:55.06 | kaiowa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.12 | kaiowa | ups |
| 21:55.24 | aokaze | hmm there is not /etc/x11 folder |
| 21:55.29 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a distro war |
| 21:55.30 | ravenbird | RedHat r0x0z! |
| 21:55.32 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: /etc/X11 |
| 21:55.40 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: capital x |
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| 21:56.15 | robin_sz | ravenbird: redhat used to rock, but fedora sucks for anything other than 'bleeding edge' crash testing |
| 21:56.16 | ravenbird | You are moron #1, robin_sz |
| 21:56.19 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 21:56.30 | aokaze | oh duh keep forgetting on case sensitivity sorry |
| 21:56.56 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: fedora is very good if you want to learn how to go through endless bugzilla reports |
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| 21:57.13 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: even RHEL is quite good at that |
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| 21:57.31 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: we made the mistake of putting fedora on 2 productions servers |
| 21:57.44 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: now, that was painful |
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| 21:57.51 | FieldySnuts | heh. redhat on production != bad, rpm in production is bad |
| 21:57.53 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: we made the mistake of putting RHEL3 on several |
| 21:58.01 | FieldySnuts | er, replace != with = |
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| 21:58.27 | GlitchMaster | Here we go: http://mirror.ati.com/support/drivers/linux/radeon-linux.html |
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| 21:58.41 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: fortunately i was able to umount the swap format it as ext3 and install debian with the server on. So the downtime was just the reboot ;-) |
| 21:58.52 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: quite a good hack |
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| 21:59.21 | nsj_ | Hello all. I'm having some problems with webmin; I've installed webmin, can log in, and have installed webmin-exim. However, when logging in to webmin, I can't see how to get at the exim panel. Where is it likely to be hidden? |
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| 21:59.51 | Nwallins | can anyone tell me if this diff file ought to work somehow with a stock sarge 2.6 kernel? http://www.pastebin.com/232590 |
| 21:59.53 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 22:00.00 | grendal_prime | this last bit is killing me |
| 22:00.01 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: RHEL seems OK, but fedora is just a mess for desktops and people wanting to play developer. the taolinux thing is possibly OK for non-critical servers I guess |
| 22:00.05 | grendal_prime | dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-KVER*.deb |
| 22:00.07 | tdfc | when I try to install apache2-mpm-worker on sarge dpkg displays the warning "This module does not exist!" and exits, how can I fix this ? |
| 22:00.22 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: but im sold on debian now for anything important |
| 22:00.22 | bwlang | nsj_: i'm afraid of webmin... unix admins should be confortable on the commandline |
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| 22:00.46 | alex323 | hey all |
| 22:00.54 | alex323 | how come when i try to install debian, it says it can't find a handle for my PCI card I/O? |
| 22:00.55 | sigma957 | nsg: you should have tabs, check them all out |
| 22:01.08 | grendal_prime | obviously i see what its trying to do..but...aparently there is no nvidia-kernel-2.6.8 that dpkg can find? |
| 22:01.09 | nsj_ | bwlang: Yes, maybe. But I only have HTTP(S) outbound from work, so logging in through SSH is not possible. |
| 22:01.11 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: look at the top lines of this diff, look at how -p1 removes the first directory in the path |
| 22:01.12 | alex323 | it says something like: "Cannot load handle or something I/O for card 0x04" or something |
| 22:01.13 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: me too. the problem with rhel3 is that they use too many kernel "fixes" that sometimes backfire |
| 22:01.16 | grendal_prime | because it just comes back with an error |
| 22:01.29 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: and see how that cant work, try -p3 |
| 22:01.39 | bwlang | nsj_: you can run sshd on 443... |
| 22:01.53 | Nwallins | valdyn_: thanks.. checking out.. |
| 22:02.01 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: so we bumped into this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121434 |
| 22:02.03 | nsj_ | bwlang: Outbound through a HTTP proxy. |
| 22:02.11 | aokaze | when I edit the XFConfig-4 file do I have to restart X or can I immediatly go and use ctrl+alt+"+"? |
| 22:02.12 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: noted. I have a dell2650 soemwhere that shits itself occasioanally as the RH ext3 fix for the scsi raid doent work |
| 22:02.16 | bwlang | nsj_: dude... bummer |
| 22:02.18 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: which is open for 8! months |
| 22:02.21 | tdfc | this is a mess |
| 22:02.35 | nsj_ | bwlang: :( |
| 22:02.45 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: you have to restart X |
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| 22:02.52 | jreardon | hi |
| 22:02.55 | aokaze | ok thanks |
| 22:03.03 | jreardon | can someone tell me which version of KDE is currently in debian testing? |
| 22:03.10 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: heh, 8 months ... the distro will be dead before they fix it :) |
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| 22:03.19 | bwlang | nsj_: well at least the admin knows what they're doing ... i really hate those stupid ass swiss cheese firewalls |
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| 22:03.26 | GlitchMaster | You know what? Let's try something else. |
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| 22:03.32 | valdyn_ | !info kdebase testing |
| 22:03.36 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 22:03.42 | alex323 | how come when i try to install debian, it says, "it can't find a handle for my PCI card I/O?" or something |
| 22:03.45 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: and this is a damn important bug in server grade hardware, which is the main target of this distribution |
| 22:03.47 | alex323 | i just put in a new NIC card |
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| 22:03.55 | alex323 | it's a 800 mhz persario |
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| 22:03.56 | hever | I'm crating a GridLAyout and I want now that a table goes over two columns how could I realize that ? |
| 22:03.59 | jreardon | thanks |
| 22:04.02 | nsj_ | bwlang: Work's firewalling is very good. |
| 22:04.04 | tdfc | how do I clear all previously downloaded .debs ? |
| 22:04.12 | peterS | tdfc: apt-get clean |
| 22:04.14 | nsj_ | tdfc: apt-get clean |
| 22:04.25 | GlitchMaster | What's a good video card that will run immediately on Debian under X, support OpenGL, and come in 128MB or at least 64MB at a decent price? |
| 22:04.25 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: we had 7TB of storage in RHEL, now everything is running debian and the performance is 10x better (no bugs) |
| 22:04.29 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: but is that RHEL bug or a linux bug, ie dies it happen with deb too? |
| 22:04.47 | hever | wrong channel, sry |
| 22:04.55 | peterS | GlitchMaster: that sounds like one of those "pick two" things |
| 22:04.58 | Nwallins | valdyn_: hmm by trial and error -p4 seemed to work, but got a hunk error |
| 22:05.03 | tdfc | thanks |
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| 22:05.11 | Nwallins | used --dry-run |
| 22:05.15 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: 7TB? wow .. thats a big pr0n site ;) |
| 22:05.24 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: that's a good question. I actually think it's a linux bug. But it's a lot more "intense" in rhel. |
| 22:05.39 | Knight_Lord | robin_sz: since then i changed from hardware raid to software raid |
| 22:05.44 | bwlang | anybody know how to figure out the mtu for a given path? |
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| 22:05.59 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: that patch is made for 2.6.7 as you can see, so no surprise in that. Might or might not work with that error. |
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| 22:06.11 | robin_sz | Knight_Lord: likewise, we have had (almost) zero trouble with sw raid ... but hw raid has been patch at times |
| 22:06.22 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: cant apply error or offset error? |
| 22:06.34 | Nwallins | valdyn_: yeah, i have had a lot of problems with version conflicts trying to get a wireless USB adapter working |
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| 22:06.56 | Nwallins | patching file drivers/usb/core/hub.c |
| 22:06.56 | GlitchMaster | peterS: " 'pick two' things"? |
| 22:06.58 | Nwallins | Hunk #1 FAILED at 1045. |
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| 22:07.12 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: ok, thats no good |
| 22:07.17 | peterS | GlitchMaster: like, "A, B, or C - pick any two" |
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| 22:07.22 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: the only way is to watch the traffic on the destination interface |
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| 22:07.34 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: the sending computer has no way to figure that out |
| 22:07.52 | Nwallins | either the debian module package doesn't match the kernel version, or the source patch doesn't match the kernel version |
| 22:08.05 | Nwallins | >| |
| 22:08.10 | gilles | Is there an equivalent for iMovie on Linux ? |
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| 22:08.25 | directhex | imovie does what exactly? |
| 22:08.26 | jmstacey | what locale is english? (en_.....?) |
| 22:08.29 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: i control both ends... |
| 22:08.31 | directhex | is that the cut down final cut pro? |
| 22:09.00 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: is ping -s 1360 dest a good enough way to check this ? |
| 22:09.00 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: try using tcpdump on the other end |
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| 22:09.10 | mlewis00 | Knight_Lord: Can't you just ping with steadily decreasing mtu sizes until you get an error message? |
| 22:09.13 | gilles | directhex: make effect on movies, put pieces of movies together... |
| 22:09.15 | caphuso | jmstacey: which english? |
| 22:09.21 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: have you looked if 2.6.10 supports your device natively? |
| 22:09.23 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: i can do that... but i don't know how to gen the traffic easily |
| 22:09.25 | GlitchMaster | peterS: Are you telling me that there is no such thing that matches all three catagories? |
| 22:09.27 | Knight_Lord | mlewis00: decreasing? |
| 22:09.31 | gilles | directhex: it's like Movie Maker |
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| 22:09.41 | gilles | directhex: for macintosh |
| 22:09.42 | Nwallins | valdyn_: hmm.. it's a Zydas chipset.. |
| 22:09.51 | jmstacey | caphuso: Normal english? in otherwords, do I want ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8? what's the difference? |
| 22:09.57 | directhex | gilles, there are some websites with software & their linux equivalents. can't think of any offhand |
| 22:09.58 | caphuso | jmstacey: the charset |
| 22:10.07 | Nwallins | 2.6.10 doesn't require the usb patch (the device doesn't follow the USB spec) |
| 22:10.09 | jmstacey | what's the norm? |
| 22:10.10 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: try ping -s 2048 |
| 22:10.12 | peterS | GlitchMaster: I don't actually know. best bet for 3D performance on Debian would probably be an ATI Radeon at the 9500 level or so. even then I don't know whether there's any pain in setting it up, as I don't have one |
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| 22:10.22 | tdfc | anyone has apache2 installed on sarge ? |
| 22:10.25 | GlitchMaster | peterS: Indeed there is. |
| 22:10.29 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: isn't that too big for even a 1500 mtu? |
| 22:10.29 | directhex | peterS, 9500 is r300, no open support |
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| 22:10.35 | cmatei | bwlang: PMTU discovery is built into tcp for performance reasons, you might want to check the route cache after a transfer/download |
| 22:10.39 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: it is that's the idea |
| 22:10.41 | peterS | directhex: eh? I thought it was r250. oh well, my bad |
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| 22:10.44 | jmstacey | caphuso: Which charset is the norm? |
| 22:10.47 | directhex | peterS, 9200 or below. |
| 22:10.56 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: hmm i don't follow... won't the packet fail to arrive? |
| 22:10.58 | nostalg1c | is there a difference in the meaning of the load displayed by uptime on freebsd and linux ? |
| 22:11.12 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: no, the packet will be split if it's too bug |
| 22:11.12 | caphuso | jmstacey: uh... it's not about "the norm", it's about what you want to use |
| 22:11.13 | cortex | How do I flush the local dns resolver cache in debian? |
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| 22:11.32 | directhex | peterS, enough to run gl screensavers, not enough to run any actual complex opengl |
| 22:11.35 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: big*, and you should see 2 packets on the other end that will be reconstructed to the original |
| 22:11.37 | green_earz | GlitchMaster: for 3d support i would say go for nvidia |
| 22:11.40 | bwlang | cmatei: hmm - this is over an openswan vpn ... and stuff gets screwed up if i leave mtu at 1500 - short sql queries work - but big ones fail. |
| 22:11.48 | simonrvn | cortex: you don't. wait for it to time out |
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| 22:11.54 | peterS | green_earz: debian doesn't support *any* 3D on NVidia cards, though, does it? |
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| 22:11.58 | Nwallins | valdyn_: what's the best way to get a 2.6.10 kernel on sarge? |
| 22:12.02 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: i'll try it out... |
| 22:12.06 | directhex | peterS, nvidia-glx is in non-free |
| 22:12.10 | caphuso | peterS: it supports slow software 3D |
| 22:12.14 | GlitchMaster | green_earz: That's like saying "You can have 3D, but it will only last a year." |
| 22:12.15 | peterS | directhex: exactly |
| 22:12.26 | cortex | simonrvn: how long will that take? |
| 22:12.28 | useruser | firefox crashes for me on pages such as http://www.computraksystem.com/ - could anyone give me hints on finding out why? |
| 22:12.42 | green_earz | GlitchMaster: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
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| 22:12.49 | caphuso | useruser: probably some silly plugin |
| 22:12.55 | kombi | to find all words containing a '%' I use \<[^<> ]+%[^<> ]+\> but.. |
| 22:12.56 | Nwallins | useruser: doesn't crash for me.. but definitely has vbscript error and missing plugin |
| 22:12.56 | caphuso | flash or so |
| 22:13.00 | directhex | peterS, well, then the only option is a radeon 9200, which will claim 3d acceleration, albeit be unusable on anything more complex than glxgears |
| 22:13.02 | cmatei | bwlang: then it's not the path MTU, it's the endpoints that encapsulate data that don't have enough room, probably |
| 22:13.04 | useruser | caphuso: yes, i think so |
| 22:13.05 | Iconsumed | is it not possible to install eroaster in sarge? somone else who has tried? |
| 22:13.10 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: to get it via packages.debian.org from sid, however its much easier to go to www.kernel.org and search for zydas in the changelogs |
| 22:13.11 | nvz | I am beginning to have a new respect for news journalists.. I just answered several of todays "big questions" just browsing the hot sheets |
| 22:13.11 | useruser | caphuso: do you know how to disable firefox plugins? |
| 22:13.33 | kombi | why does that also find "uuml;ck%fluss" and "ck%fluss" in "Rück%fluss" |
| 22:13.37 | Nwallins | valdyn_: thanks for the help |
| 22:13.37 | GlitchMaster | green_earz: First of all, I won't take advice from ANYTHING hosted by comcast. Secondly, you left a space in that address, idiot. |
| 22:13.50 | directhex | GlitchMaster, what exactly do you want? |
| 22:13.55 | bwlang | cmatei: that sounds about right... i want to figure out the max mtu i can set and still leave enough room |
| 22:14.10 | peterS | GlitchMaster: eh? I see no space |
| 22:14.14 | caphuso | useruser: it's somewhere in the preferences editing thingie, in the download section IIRC |
| 22:14.18 | Knight_Lord | kombi: and why shouldn't it find those? |
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| 22:14.25 | cmatei | bwlang: i bet it's in the openswan docs :) |
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| 22:14.26 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: ping -s 2048 does not even reach the destination... |
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| 22:14.42 | mlewis00 | Knight_Lord: I thought you could use smaller and smaller mtu sizes until the packet fragmented and then you would know the smallest mtu...or did I miss the intent of the question (btw, just trying to learn something). |
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| 22:14.56 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: i have a 1500 MTU and ping 2048 reaches destination just fine |
| 22:14.57 | kombi | Knight_Lord: I don't want it to find those.. |
| 22:15.03 | green_earz | GlitchMaster: thanks for pointing out that i am a idiot |
| 22:15.09 | peterS | bwlang: wait, what are you using ping -s 2048 on? almost none of the Internet supports packets bigger than 1500 |
| 22:15.25 | simonrvn | wtf, 2048? |
| 22:15.32 | Knight_Lord | kombi: but what is wrong with them? you don't want ; inside words? |
| 22:15.38 | simonrvn | wee jumbo frames ;p |
| 22:15.48 | cmatei | it all depends if your ping sets DF or not |
| 22:15.56 | Knight_Lord | simonrvn: i'm not using jumbo frames, but packets can get fragmented |
| 22:15.57 | spl0it | I'm having a few cdrom issues... the front button won't open the cdrom all of a sudden, and whenever I mount or unmount anything I get either 'no media' or just a bunch of '??????' for data.... I can change the cd by using eject... |
| 22:16.07 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: yes, of course |
| 22:16.26 | peterS | cmatei: what on earth is the use of huge ICMP packets, anyway? if I were a router I'd drop large ICMP packets just on the general principle of giving stupid people what they deserve |
| 22:16.26 | Knight_Lord | 65515 bytes from rembrandt.bmc.uu.se (192.168.1.1): icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=11.5 ms |
| 22:16.33 | bwlang | cmatei: not that i've found so far... |
| 22:16.40 | simonrvn | Knight_Lord: ipv4 only |
| 22:16.42 | saerdna | what the hell am i doing here? |
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| 22:17.01 | bwlang | peterS: it's over a vpn connection... knight_lord said to try it... |
| 22:17.01 | cmatei | peterS: :) path mtu discovery, in this case |
| 22:17.03 | jmstacey | caphuso: I'm in the initial configuratio of debian (woody) at the configuring Locales screen. After selecting the one I want it won't let me get to ok, esc enter doesn't save and get me out. Any ideas? |
| 22:17.14 | mlewis00 | Knight_Lord: Oh, I have it backwards, right? Its been a while since I had anything to do with networking, sorry. |
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| 22:17.19 | bwlang | peterS: but it doesn't even work to my non vpn host... so i think that's bogus |
| 22:17.23 | eugenesan | hi all, how can instruct spamd-filter to reject identified as spam meesages? |
| 22:17.31 | useruser | caphuso: thanks, that is the *last* place i would have looked |
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| 22:17.34 | valdyn_ | jmstacey: <tab> |
| 22:17.37 | directhex | !wayttd GlitchMaster |
| 22:17.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, GlitchMaster? |
| 22:17.40 | caphuso | jmstacey: use tab to get to the OK button |
| 22:18.05 | Knight_Lord | mlewis00: as long as you don't use an MTU bigger than what the hardware supports |
| 22:18.10 | jmstacey | caphuso: tried that, doesn't do anything, just up down and space are working it appears. |
| 22:18.12 | Knight_Lord | mlewis00: the mtu shouldn't matter |
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| 22:18.37 | caphuso | jmstacey: weird. no idea what's wrong |
| 22:18.50 | valdyn_ | jmstacey: in some cases tab doesnt do something visually, still enter works after doing it once |
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| 22:18.52 | bwlang | peterS: well - i think he was on the right track... -s1472 sends generates one line of tcpdump... -s 1473 generates two - so i guess my mtu is 1472 |
| 22:19.00 | mlewis00 | Knight_Lord: Doesn't it increase network throughput to have the largest mtu possible without fragmentation? |
| 22:19.15 | Knight_Lord | mlewis00: yes, i was talking from the user point |
| 22:19.18 | useruser | caphuso: ok, i disabled all the plugins from the preferences. but (1) that site still crashes, and (2) about:plugins says all the plugins are still enabled :( |
| 22:19.18 | FieldySnuts | yes, it also beats up on switches etc |
| 22:19.21 | peterS | bwlang: well, is -s just for the payload, or for the whole IP packet? |
| 22:19.24 | Knight_Lord | mlewis00: from the user point of view it's transparent |
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| 22:19.37 | bwlang | peters: what do you expect me to read man ;) |
| 22:19.38 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: 1472 sounds reasonable |
| 22:19.40 | FieldySnuts | also don't forget the MRU |
| 22:19.46 | FieldySnuts | yep, 1500 - 8 |
| 22:19.53 | Knight_Lord | peterS: payload |
| 22:19.57 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 22:19.58 | aokaze | hmmm I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to include 1280x1024 but when I do ctrl+alt+"+" it doesnt switch to that mode. It only sees the same modes as before |
| 22:20.00 | FieldySnuts | yeah. tired. |
| 22:20.01 | caphuso | useruser: welcome to the wonderful world of fucked up browsers |
| 22:20.03 | peterS | right, so add 8 bytes for the header and you get 1480 |
| 22:20.05 | mlewis00 | Knight_Lord: Oh, OK...I understand :) |
| 22:20.09 | caphuso | useruser: use another browser |
| 22:20.13 | bwlang | peterS: man says that is the number of data bytes to be sent |
| 22:20.20 | FieldySnuts | heh if a site doesnt' give me what i want without lame arse plugins, i'm going elsewhere |
| 22:20.30 | peterS | well, plus the 20 byte IP header |
| 22:20.34 | peterS | so 1500 total |
| 22:20.45 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: i would go on the safe side and use 1460 or something |
| 22:20.46 | FieldySnuts | yeah i know i'm just not thinking clear |
| 22:20.48 | spl0it | is there anything I can do that would simulate what would happen in a reboot ( for my cdrom, its not working well and I would really prefer not to have to reboot to fix it... ) |
| 22:20.54 | valdyn_ | aokaze: look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log. There you can see if X found a 1280x1024 that is for both, your gfx card and your monitor settings suitable |
| 22:21.00 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: what for? it sounds like i'm already underestimating... |
| 22:21.02 | mlewis00 | aokaze: Can't you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree86 and set that up? |
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| 22:21.26 | valdyn_ | aokaze: s/1280x1024/1280x1024 mode/ |
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| 22:21.36 | mlewis00 | aokaze: s/xserver-sfree86/xserver-xfree86/ |
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| 22:21.45 | robin_sz | coo, I actually got the sarge installer to run from CD .. |
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| 22:21.48 | GlitchMaster | I've been trying to get OpenGL working via Radeon 7500 hardware for a very long time. |
| 22:21.53 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: if it's ethernet 1500 is fine. If it's adsl like stuff then they recommend to use slightly les |
| 22:21.55 | GlitchMaster | I'm beginning to assume that it is nearly impossible. |
| 22:21.56 | nvz | hopefully what I had this morning was just indigestion.. causee I am about to eat something, for the sake of nutricion, not to be hoarfing it up in a few minutes =P |
| 22:22.02 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: although i don't recall the reason |
| 22:22.02 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: it's because of all those spoofed OSes you've been setting up, now you have to admin an AS400, a Commodore 64 and God knows wahat else |
| 22:22.08 | FieldySnuts | seriously, i've been through the fight with ati hardware, it's a load of crap, replace it |
| 22:22.10 | useruser | caphuso: gah |
| 22:22.16 | useruser | caphuso: i'll fix it :) |
| 22:22.27 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: it's a vpn... over a dsl link |
| 22:22.33 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: heh, i found a tool that generates a pretty complicated random config with stuff you specify, all sorts of fun stuff |
| 22:22.38 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: use 1492 or something |
| 22:22.39 | setnf | i havent CD-ROM drive on my computer just floppy drive. what's the better way for install debian system ? |
| 22:22.41 | FieldySnuts | routing, subnets etc |
| 22:22.51 | FieldySnuts | lame routes too, some of them drop too many packets |
| 22:22.53 | valdyn_ | aokaze: it wont try a mode which goes beyond the specifications you entered for your monitor.. |
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| 22:22.55 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: i actually think the 1492 is for performance reasons |
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| 22:23.10 | FieldySnuts | just amusing being able to traceroute stuff that doesn't even exist, and watch errors |
| 22:23.12 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: dude - you just said 1460... my faith is dropping in your level of understanding of this system... |
| 22:23.15 | nvz | setnf: the better way is the floppy since like you said, you dont have a cdrom |
| 22:23.23 | nvz | setnf: read the install guide |
| 22:23.28 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: :-P |
| 22:23.33 | useruser | does the creative zen micra mp3 player work with linux? that is, can I transfer music to it given that I have only a linux machine? |
| 22:23.34 | setnf | nvz can you give the link for read ? |
| 22:23.44 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: 1460 will work for sure. 1492 will give you slightly more performance |
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| 22:23.57 | simonrvn | bwlang: set it slightly smaller then, like 1472. might fragment a bit more, but you want to take into account the vpn |
| 22:23.57 | dupondje | hi guys, i'm searching a good & free virusscanner for linux |
| 22:23.58 | nvz | setnf: no idea. I wouldnt go to google.com or debian.org like anyone else and find it |
| 22:24.04 | FieldySnuts | dupondje: clamav |
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| 22:24.14 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: 1500 should also work fine, but maybe with more overhead |
| 22:24.15 | green_earz | setnf: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 22:24.29 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: this mtu thing is not exact science |
| 22:24.30 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: 1500 does not work fine... that's what started this whole thing. |
| 22:24.46 | simonrvn | eth is max 1500. you can't set 1500 on eth that expects to have pppoe going through it |
| 22:24.48 | FieldySnuts | 1500 can cause badness with lame hardware/switches etc |
| 22:24.50 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: i call BS - if this is not an exact science then physics is not an exact science |
| 22:24.51 | dupondje | k |
| 22:24.53 | kyra | c koi ladressse du channel francais? |
| 22:25.03 | simonrvn | #debian-fr |
| 22:25.07 | FieldySnuts | try 1492. failing that try 1472 |
| 22:25.11 | kyra | thx |
| 22:25.37 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: you need to know too much about the system to have the best possible mtu |
| 22:25.46 | FieldySnuts | oh this is with pppoe? i know pppoe has a pretty hefty overhead, though i'm not sure what it is, i'd try in the very low 1400's instead (make sure it's a multiple of 8) |
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| 22:25.56 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: i would follow FieldySnuts suggestion |
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| 22:26.14 | bwlang | FieldySnuts: 1472 goes through fine.. 1473 gets fragmented... i think im sticking with either 1472 or 1480 (1472+8) i'm just not sure which is correct |
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| 22:26.28 | FieldySnuts | if it's not dividable by 8, don't use it. |
| 22:26.38 | GrayDragon | hey everyone |
| 22:26.46 | FieldySnuts | you'll see shit like it working for a while, then not, then working again, that is, random badness |
| 22:26.48 | useruser | caphuso: it's the macromedia flash plugin that's buggering me up |
| 22:26.54 | FieldySnuts | @fuck flash |
| 22:26.59 | caphuso | useruser: what a surprise... |
| 22:27.08 | peterS | bwlang: you mean ping -s 1473. that actually corresponds to a 1501-byte IP packet, since ICMP has an 8-byte header and IP has a 20-byte header |
| 22:27.31 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: divisible ;) |
| 22:27.32 | setnf | green_earz nvz ok guys thanks but i need know if my ethernet card is supported by kernel. on suse i used 8139too and mii is one pcmcia based. do you know ? |
| 22:27.36 | bwlang | peterS: right... man - i just don't understand this well enough. |
| 22:27.37 | FieldySnuts | yeah yeah |
| 22:27.42 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: :) |
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| 22:27.46 | tdfc | has anyone installed *apache2* on sarge ? |
| 22:27.58 | simonrvn | i'm sure a few have |
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| 22:28.12 | peterS | setnf: if you use 8139too on suse you'll most likely use 8139too on debian. the kernels aren't *that* different - hardware support is likely to be the same |
| 22:28.13 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: go try some different mtus |
| 22:28.14 | GrayDragon | i've been wanting to get into linux... is debian the best for a beginner? |
| 22:28.17 | ^m0se5 | how do I load a module at boot? I did "echo "modprobe nvidia" >> /etc/inittab" but it didn't work. |
| 22:28.24 | tdfc | i'm having a weird problem |
| 22:28.30 | Knight_Lord | GrayDragon: if you like to learn a lot then yes |
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| 22:28.35 | GrayDragon | ok |
| 22:28.37 | peterS | ^m0se5: edit /etc/modules |
| 22:28.39 | GrayDragon | thx |
| 22:28.39 | sigma957 | GrayDragon: I think it is and it's easy to get new apps.. there is a lot of help out there |
| 22:28.41 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: i'm not an empiricist... i like to understand the system... |
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| 22:28.54 | setnf | peterS thanks a lot guy have a nice day ; |
| 22:28.57 | GrayDragon | thank you. i'll look into debian a bit more then |
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| 22:29.06 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: sometimes you have to take the biology approach but i understand your anger |
| 22:29.19 | spl0it | I'm having a few cdrom issues... the front button won't open the cdrom all of a sudden, and whenever I mount or unmount anything I get either 'no media' or just a bunch of '??????' for data.... I can change the cd by using eject... |
| 22:29.19 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 22:29.23 | tdfc | apache2 installs apache2-common and apache2-mpm-worker then i get "Setting up apache2-mpm-worker (2.0.52-3) ... This module does not exist! dpkg: error processing apache2-mpm-worker (--configure):" |
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| 22:29.28 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: i'm a biochemist by trainging ; -P |
| 22:29.32 | grendal_prime | what in the hell is nvidia-kernel-common??? |
| 22:29.39 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: same here :-P |
| 22:29.43 | aokaze | grrr I dunno what to look for to fix things up |
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| 22:29.45 | simonrvn | grendal_prime: a package |
| 22:29.52 | grendal_prime | i cant find it |
| 22:29.56 | grendal_prime | anywhere |
| 22:30.01 | bwlang | Knight_Lord: but that does not make me an empiricist... |
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| 22:30.12 | aokaze | I know my card supports 1280x1024 and I defenetly know my monitor does cause it says thats what it supports |
| 22:30.14 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: agreed. That's why i said i can understand your anger |
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| 22:30.56 | tdfc | apache2-mpm-worker is broken |
| 22:31.00 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: i came to work on xray crystallography becaused i wanted to understand how stuff was really happening, not just that enzyme X generates Y magically |
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| 22:31.06 | FieldySnuts | this honeyd stuff is fun, but boy does it crash a lot. lame. |
| 22:31.14 | tdfc | would anyone confirm/deny ? |
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| 22:31.25 | FieldySnuts | never had problems with that worker |
| 22:31.35 | ^m0se5 | thx peterS... it worked. |
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| 22:31.43 | spl0it | is there anything I can do that would simulate what would happen in a reboot ( for my cdrom, its not working well and I would really prefer not to have to reboot to fix it... ) |
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| 22:32.02 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: so you can try to look in google why people have to use MTU lower than 1500 for adsl and try to understand the thing |
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| 22:32.07 | mh_le | JarJarBinks, hey! ;) |
| 22:32.10 | Knight_Lord | bwlang: but it might take you a while |
| 22:32.19 | tdfc | you can simulate a reboot by unplugging the power and pressing the "boot" button on your computer |
| 22:32.21 | directhex | GlitchMaster, what is nearly impossible? state clearly & succinctly what you want |
| 22:32.28 | setnf | peterS sorry man the correct image is root.bin ? |
| 22:32.30 | nvz | tdfc: you're not the first to notice, but you can be the first to report it to the BTS. |
| 22:32.37 | rzazueta | Hello all... I just installed the latest of Sarge. When I booted up the first time, everything loaded great, I could log in, etc. I just added in an extra IDE controller and two HDs and now I get this error on boot: |
| 22:32.41 | tdfc | nvz: bts ? |
| 22:32.50 | peterS | setnf: what you really probably want is debian-installer, at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:33.02 | rzazueta | \/sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: no such file! |
| 22:33.03 | nvz | tdfc: yeah, where you report bugs.. the Bug Tracking System http://bugs.debian.org |
| 22:33.11 | rzazueta | Any ideas? |
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| 22:33.23 | mlewis00 | aokaze: Can't you do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set that up? And get-edid may help also... |
| 22:33.25 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: isn't there a previous error about pivot_root:? |
| 22:33.30 | rzazueta | I knoppixed in and ran MAKEDEV on my root partiition... |
| 22:33.34 | rzazueta | Knight: yes there is |
| 22:33.46 | nvz | people have been complaining about apache2-mpm-worker so much today, I know about it.. and I have been in the bathroom pukin my guts out all day |
| 22:33.55 | tdfc | it's been reported on http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/2005/01/msg00066.html |
| 22:33.56 | aokaze | I get an error mlewis00 |
| 22:34.06 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: always refer to the first error. Anyway my guess is that the naming for the disks changed |
| 22:34.07 | FieldySnuts | is it a debian problem or an apache problem? |
| 22:34.13 | peterS | nvz: whatever is wrong with prefork? it worked for apache for years beyond count |
| 22:34.14 | mlewis00 | aokaze: From what? |
| 22:34.20 | rzazueta | Knight_Lord: you mean in the BIOS? |
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| 22:34.23 | setnf | peterS sorry but i want install via network must i download http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/boot.img ? just it ? |
| 22:34.25 | tdfc | and: why me ? |
| 22:34.31 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: no i mean for kernel |
| 22:34.42 | nvz | peterS: I dont know what any of it is, I just know people are bitching about it today.. and its not been reported to the BTS yet |
| 22:34.44 | tdfc | i'm going to do it for people that likes apache2 |
| 22:34.46 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: so maybe what was considered hda now is hdc |
| 22:34.49 | aokaze | start_configlet: configlet in path /usr/share/configlets/xserver-common is bad |
| 22:34.54 | FieldySnuts | @do apache2 |
| 22:34.54 | mlewis00 | aokaze: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 22:34.56 | rzazueta | That's absolutely correct. |
| 22:35.01 | directhex | setnf, you can't run the installer via cd? |
| 22:35.02 | peterS | setnf: if you need to boot from floppy, you'll need 3 floppies. boot.img, root.img, netdrivers.img. or whatever they are called, I forget now |
| 22:35.10 | aokaze | yes |
| 22:35.12 | confrey | hi, I mount my MMC card, but I can't see correctly the files; I only obtain generic file gnome file icons, I try to mount as vfat and msdos |
| 22:35.13 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: what kind of bootloader? |
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| 22:35.17 | rzazueta | Grub |
| 22:35.23 | setnf | directhex i havent it.. :) |
| 22:35.28 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: do think that Phated is cute |
| 22:35.34 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: try setting a different root |
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| 22:35.42 | rzazueta | In the grub conf? |
| 22:35.45 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: try using hd(3,0) although it might not work |
| 22:35.56 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: you can change it while booting |
| 22:35.57 | pole | Selecting previously deselected package gammu. |
| 22:35.57 | pole | Unpacking gammu (from .../gammu_0.99.22-0_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:35.57 | pole | Setting up debconf (1.4.42) ... |
| 22:35.57 | pole | /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.postinst: line 80: 4636 Segmentation fault $PYTHON -O /usr/lib/$PYTHON/compileall.py -q $i |
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| 22:35.59 | setnf | arrghh you guys confuse me hehe |
| 22:36.01 | mlewis00 | aokaze: Hmmm, haven't seen that one...don't know :( |
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| 22:36.07 | pole | oops |
| 22:36.19 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: just hit e, edit the entry, enter to save it and b to boot it |
| 22:36.24 | aokaze | right at the end of the configuration |
| 22:36.27 | pole | anyway... anyone know whyd debconf.postinstall might be segfaulting like that? |
| 22:36.29 | aokaze | I got that error |
| 22:36.45 | rzazueta | ok, I'm going to try that right now... one sec (oh, and thanks!) |
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| 22:37.02 | virgomoon | Does anyone in here have anything to do with the CD Vendor listing on the Debian website? |
| 22:37.32 | Nwallins | what is supposed to be in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build? a makefile is trying to reference that directory, and it doesn't exist on my system |
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| 22:38.03 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: your kernels headers |
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| 22:38.07 | setnf | i just havent cd-rom drive and i want install via ethernet plz someone tell me the correct image for put on floppy ? |
| 22:38.14 | Nwallins | apt-get install kernel-headers-blah? |
| 22:38.17 | pole | dang it... do i have to uninstall debconf and everything it depends on to fix thsi? |
| 22:38.25 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: actually, the source its built from but headers should suffice |
| 22:38.25 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins: yes |
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| 22:38.30 | aokaze | I need to get my monitor at a higher resolution |
| 22:38.45 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: did you change the X config file? |
| 22:38.46 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: yea |
| 22:38.48 | helloyo | aokaze, why can't u? |
| 22:38.55 | Nwallins | ok.. thx.. is there a package other than kernel-image that would be better to install, that puts everything where it's supposed to be? |
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| 22:39.11 | aokaze | Knight_Lord I changed the X config file and restarted x |
| 22:39.23 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: and? |
| 22:39.40 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: better how? you'll have to live with headers and image being in 2 different packages |
| 22:39.49 | aokaze | but on ctrl alt + it only switches through 2 modes instaid of 3 mods that is in there. its excludeing the new resolution |
| 22:39.53 | setnf | i just havent cd-rom drive and i want install via ethernet plz someone tell me the correct image for put on floppy ?? |
| 22:39.53 | rzazueta | Knight_Lord: You just saved my skin... changing hd(0,) to hd(3,0) didn;t work, but changing the root= param from hda1 to hde1 did. |
| 22:39.59 | rzazueta | THANK YOU!!! |
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| 22:40.03 | GlitchMaster | directhex: sorry for the delay. I need to get OpenGL working through the ATI Radeon 7500 card instead of through software rendering. I want a straight answer. I am under so much stress that I cannot put the time and effort aside to find this information on my own. You would be doing more than a favor if you could help me with this. |
| 22:40.04 | green_earz | setnf: again > http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 22:40.24 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: use just one resolution in x config file and try again |
| 22:40.32 | aokaze | ok |
| 22:40.40 | Knight_Lord | rzazueta: you're welcome, i also had problems like that in my file server |
| 22:40.47 | directhex | GlitchMaster, right. what does 'glxinfo | grep vendor' say? |
| 22:40.48 | mirak | is there a distributed version of apt-get ? |
| 22:40.51 | Nwallins | valdyn_: excuse my ignorance.. |
| 22:41.01 | mirak | to upgrade clusters of computers |
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| 22:41.26 | directhex | bah |
| 22:41.28 | Knight_Lord | mirak: what do you mean? can you expand your idea? |
| 22:41.33 | setnf | green_earz thanks again sorry but exist 3 or more .img what is the really that i need ? |
| 22:41.46 | peterS | setnf: I told you the 3 images you need |
| 22:41.56 | directhex | by cluster i hope you mean a cluster, and not a collection. i dislike 'cluster'; ebign used outside an HPC context |
| 22:42.00 | GlitchMaster | "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server \ Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key \ Error: unable to open display (null)" |
| 22:42.33 | directhex | GlitchMaster, this is sarge/sid, yes? |
| 22:42.35 | setnf | peterS ok but here: http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ exists root.bin and disk1 disk2 disk3 etc i need all ? |
| 22:42.48 | Nwallins | make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/build' |
| 22:42.50 | Nwallins | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
| 22:42.50 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: not a problem, if you think something could be done better, use the bts, its made for that too ) |
| 22:43.04 | aokaze | ok restarting x |
| 22:43.05 | simonrvn | Nwallins: make help |
| 22:43.07 | Nwallins | bts? |
| 22:43.09 | peterS | setnf: MAKE UP YOUR MIND. 5 minutes ago you were pulling down images from debian-installer RC2. now you're looking at Debian 3.0. |
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| 22:43.23 | chealer | !bts |
| 22:43.23 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:43.24 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins: /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/build is pointing anywhere? |
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| 22:43.53 | GlitchMaster | directhex: yes. |
| 22:44.01 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: bug tracking system |
| 22:44.21 | Nwallins | Knight_Lord: build is a directory.. empty |
| 22:44.34 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins: did you by any chance created that directory? |
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| 22:44.43 | Nwallins | i did earlier.. then rmdir'd it |
| 22:44.54 | directhex | GlitchMaster, do you have a DRI section in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 which sets permissions to 0666 ? |
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| 22:45.11 | Knight_Lord | Nwallins: ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-386/ /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/build |
| 22:45.19 | Nwallins | cool thx |
| 22:45.35 | GlitchMaster | directhex: hold on. |
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| 22:46.12 | roods | i'm downloading a minimal cd, how do i burn an iso in windows? |
| 22:46.13 | Nwallins | ieee802_11.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:46.29 | mirak | Knight_Lord: well something that would connect to all your machines and perform an upgrade on all of them, and reacting accordingly in case of update of config file etcetera by prompting you only for peers tha are different config etcetera |
| 22:46.30 | directhex | roods, with a CD burning app |
| 22:46.38 | aokaze | I belive that worked |
| 22:46.47 | Knight_Lord | roods: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#record-windows |
| 22:47.05 | GlitchMaster | directhex: No. All I see is a "module" section that loads "dri"... Nothing about permissions or listings of the module itself. |
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| 22:47.22 | Knight_Lord | mirak: if you have something like cluster-fork you can cluster-fork apt-get upgrade |
| 22:47.27 | TheAsp | mirak: for machine in machine1 machine2 machine3; do ssh root@$machine "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade"; done |
| 22:47.28 | tuxillo | hi |
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| 22:47.33 | setnf | peterS ok here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ must i boot root and net-drivers .img ? is it ? |
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| 22:47.50 | peterS | setnf: from there, get the boot, root, and net-drivers ones. |
| 22:47.52 | mlewis00 | aokaze: Try creating another user and logging in to X and see if that helps (re: BUG#239994)... |
| 22:48.00 | roods | Knight_Lord, thx |
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| 22:48.03 | Knight_Lord | mirak: apt-get upgrade has flags for non interactive use (basically to use with crontab) |
| 22:48.04 | mirak | Knight_Lord: cluster fork ? I will check that |
| 22:48.07 | setnf | ok i ll try it |
| 22:48.15 | tuxillo | anyone has been using rt2500 without problems? cause i got a high CPU usage and a lot of log activity due some f*cking warnings :(( |
| 22:48.15 | aokaze | how do I check to see what my screen size is? |
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| 22:48.20 | directhex | GlitchMaster, join #flood |
| 22:48.20 | cens0r | hi all |
| 22:48.24 | Nwallins | is ieee802_11.h expected to be in the kernel, but it's not? |
| 22:48.26 | Knight_Lord | mirak: what kind of cluster is that? |
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| 22:48.46 | aokaze | I think everything is correct now but I am not sure. I just know everything shifted |
| 22:48.46 | cens0r | where can i find support for the shorewall firewall on IRC, is there any channel? |
| 22:48.47 | mirak | Knight_Lord: actually two computers |
| 22:48.49 | mirak | I am kidding |
| 22:48.51 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: i think it tell you in the X log |
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| 22:49.00 | ntr | Is it possible to make a list of installed packages on one machine and then have apt-get install the same packages on another machine? Without doing it manually, that is. |
| 22:49.00 | jono_ | hi all |
| 22:49.02 | Knight_Lord | mirak: and you don't have any clustering software installed |
| 22:49.03 | GrayDragon | hello again |
| 22:49.11 | jono_ | anyone else having apache and php problems in in unstable? |
| 22:49.18 | mirak | I am thinking to my poor admin that really do crap with is crappy nfs share and is network that can't handle the load |
| 22:49.18 | directhex | ntr, dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 22:49.21 | mlewis00 | aokaze: Also, I would try to find the problem with the X configuration (i.e. configlet error) if you can, but that is up to you if you already have it working with one resolution. |
| 22:49.27 | ntr | directhex: Thanks! |
| 22:49.34 | jono_ | when I try to access a PHP page, it returns a .phtml file |
| 22:49.35 | GrayDragon | i am trying to d/l debian for jigdo... which files out of which folder do I d/l??? |
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| 22:49.44 | Knight_Lord | mirak: problem is probably slow network card |
| 22:50.03 | emilios | hello |
| 22:50.08 | emilios | I am back |
| 22:50.15 | chealer | jono_: if you mean a .phtml file, then set the file executable |
| 22:50.15 | mirak | Knight_Lord: possibly yes, I heard him complaining about money |
| 22:50.26 | emilios | after 3 weeks trying to upgrade my syste, |
| 22:50.27 | cens0r | jono_ you gotta setup apache so that it parses phtml pages with php |
| 22:50.28 | strubbel | since i told my syslogd to write to /dev/tty8 it writes to every terminal that has focus (if one could say so) is that normal? with iptables logging i really get mad! unfortunately i can't find the mistake in syslog.conf. would anyone be kind enough to dip into it? |
| 22:50.32 | emilios | to 2.6.6 |
| 22:50.33 | chealer | jono_: do you mean it used to work or what? |
| 22:50.37 | Knight_Lord | mirak: to update the "cluster" the easiest is to use crontab |
| 22:50.47 | aokaze | Yah my resolution changed. I just dont know when I had multiple selections I couldnt change to the new resolution |
| 22:50.52 | mirak | but I even doubt it's really the cause, because in two rooms there is 20 dual 1Ghz cpu with 120G hard drive and 1G of ram |
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| 22:51.05 | mirak | I mean so much power is totaly useless |
| 22:51.15 | mirak | since it's lagging to death |
| 22:51.18 | jono_ | chealer, it used to work, yes, and then it stopped - my files are .php files, not .phtml files, that is what is strange |
| 22:51.20 | mirak | from everywhere |
| 22:51.23 | Knight_Lord | mirak: what is the load on the nfs share? |
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| 22:51.29 | cens0r | jono_ it think it was FileHandler or something like that, check your httpd.conf |
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| 22:51.45 | emilios | I have a question . In my xfree86-4 system I used to load the nvidia driver and nothing work after I change it to nv everything is working perfect |
| 22:51.47 | mirak | Knight_Lord: I don't know |
| 22:51.52 | orhad | is it possible to do a bit-for-bit copy of a single file ? |
| 22:51.54 | cens0r | jono_ look for .php and add the same for .phtml |
| 22:51.54 | emilios | any sugestions? |
| 22:51.55 | Knight_Lord | mirak: if the network is 10MBit having 20 computers or just 1 is not much different |
| 22:52.03 | orhad | i have an ntfs drive that's failing, and i'm trying to copy large 600meg files off it |
| 22:52.06 | cens0r | orhad dd |
| 22:52.07 | orhad | but i'm getting errors |
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| 22:52.18 | orhad | can you dd just one file ? |
| 22:52.20 | mirak | Knight_Lord: there is plus 100 computers |
| 22:52.21 | Knight_Lord | mirak: i saturate my gigabit with just 1 computer |
| 22:52.25 | mirak | probably 200 |
| 22:52.26 | cens0r | orhad i think so |
| 22:52.30 | jono_ | cens0r, hmmm really? |
| 22:52.38 | cens0r | jono_ quite sure |
| 22:52.44 | Knight_Lord | mirak: maybe he's spawning too few nfs daemons |
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| 22:52.50 | orhad | i thought dd could only do full disks |
| 22:52.54 | Knight_Lord | mirak: there are so many ways to get it wrong |
| 22:53.02 | bbrazil | orhad: dd does anything that has a filename |
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| 22:53.09 | cens0r | jono_ AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml |
| 22:53.11 | mirak | Knight_Lord: well the problem is that he don't relly enough on the local installation of software |
| 22:53.18 | mlewis00 | orhad: The best thing to do might be to use the software provided by the HDD manufacturer for that... |
| 22:53.22 | cens0r | orhad nope, try it |
| 22:53.38 | valdyn_ | !find ieee802_11.h |
| 22:53.40 | aokaze | ok another question. what file do I configure to run a program at startup (like "pon")? |
| 22:53.40 | mirak | he put to much software on nfs share, like the desktop evironnement and such |
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| 22:53.47 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ieee802_11.h' returned no results. |
| 22:54.02 | mlewis00 | orhad: No, dd will copy individual files with the 'if=' switch... |
| 22:54.07 | mirak | in fact on the 120G hard drive only 2G is used, that's absurd |
| 22:54.10 | valdyn_ | !find ieee802_11.h woddy |
| 22:54.15 | valdyn_ | !find ieee802_11.h woody |
| 22:54.20 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ieee802_11.h woddy' returned no results. |
| 22:54.23 | jono_ | cens0r, that doesnt fix it |
| 22:54.24 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ieee802_11.h' returned no results. |
| 22:54.37 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: you have to put stuff in rc.N directories |
| 22:54.43 | strubbel | !syslogd |
| 22:54.46 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: and create the script in init.d |
| 22:54.50 | aokaze | ? |
| 22:54.56 | Nwallins | valdyn_: i found a bug report for redhat that says that file _is_ in the vanilla kernel |
| 22:54.58 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: there is no rc.local |
| 22:54.59 | cens0r | jono_ do normal .php files work? |
| 22:55.13 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: redhat doesnt use vanilla kernels, they're heavily patched |
| 22:55.19 | GrayDragon | can anyone here help me with d/ling debian with jigdo? |
| 22:55.20 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: i think there are some fine tools to help you manage this, but i don't remember the name |
| 22:55.22 | Nwallins | right.. that's why there was a bug report |
| 22:55.29 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: ( alot more heavy than debians ) |
| 22:55.30 | jono_ | cens0r, no, thats what I mean, they used to - I dont have any .phtml files, but now each .php file seems to be interpreted as a .phtml file |
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| 22:55.47 | cens0r | jono_ php == phtml |
| 22:55.49 | Nwallins | someone was trying to get centrino to work |
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| 22:56.04 | jono_ | cens0r, yeah, but the extension is different, surely? |
| 22:56.12 | aokaze | I only want pon to run at startup. do I realy need to make a script or something or move something into some other folder? |
| 22:56.13 | mirak | Knight_Lord: he just sucks |
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| 22:56.19 | cens0r | jono_ yup, but that doesn't matter at all! |
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| 22:56.43 | FalscherHase | aokaze: what is pon? |
| 22:56.43 | jono_ | cens0r, when I click on my url for my local copy of phpmyadmin, it tries to send a phtml file to me |
| 22:56.50 | orhad | would this work "dd if=/dev/hda1/testfile.txt /dev/hda2/testfile.txt |
| 22:56.54 | orhad | would that copy from hda1 to hda2 ? |
| 22:56.54 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: debians module source packages / patches might not have that file directly, but in a tar.gz or whatever, so cant search for it =/ |
| 22:56.59 | caphuso | orhad: no |
| 22:57.07 | cens0r | jono_ you could call them myscript.fcuk , if you add the correct type to httpd.conf it's parsed by php |
| 22:57.07 | xort | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.10 | aokaze | pon and poff is command line ppp dialup |
| 22:57.24 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: which device are you trying to get support for? |
| 22:57.31 | orhad | whats wrong with the syntax ? |
| 22:57.35 | jono_ | cens0r, I know, but it wont understand .php files for some reason |
| 22:57.37 | caphuso | aokaze: look at the ppp method in "man 5 interfaces" |
| 22:57.54 | Nwallins | valdyn_: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:58.02 | cens0r | jono_ duoble-check that you have "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" and "AddType application/x-httpd-php .phtml" in your httpd.conf and RESTART your apache! |
| 22:58.03 | strubbel | FalscherHase: it trows up a ppp interface, correct me if im wrong |
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| 22:58.20 | jono_ | cens0r, yep, done that, does not fix it |
| 22:58.42 | cens0r | jono_ so do .php work, yes or no? |
| 22:58.43 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: i'm afraid you need the script |
| 22:58.53 | aokaze | grrr :/ |
| 22:58.56 | jono_ | cens0r, no! |
| 22:59.03 | jono_ | cens0r, they used to though |
| 22:59.24 | aokaze | I was hopeing that there was some file I can insert pon or something like that and it would exicute that command on startup |
| 22:59.33 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debian-rclocal.htm |
| 22:59.41 | caphuso | orhad: the syntax is fine, but you don't have a /dev/hda1/testfile.txt |
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| 22:59.47 | GrayDragon | has anyone here used jigdo to d/l debian? |
| 22:59.51 | cens0r | jono_ try are you sure you have php as a module? |
| 23:00.08 | cens0r | jono_ err, -try |
| 23:00.12 | caphuso | orhad: unless you did something really weird and mounted a filesystem on /dev/hda1 |
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| 23:01.01 | strubbel | aokaze: what about an /etc/init.d/ file for rl 2? |
| 23:01.16 | orhad | ya, i want to copy the orignal file to a new file |
| 23:01.33 | GrayDragon | has anyone here used jigdo to d/l debian? i need help... |
| 23:01.50 | orhad | actually don't i need an of= ? |
| 23:02.06 | jono_ | cens0r, it should be - should I see something in httpd.conf about mod_php - there doesnt seem to be anything there now |
| 23:02.29 | cens0r | jono_ try http://yourserver/server-info |
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| 23:02.36 | cens0r | jono_ or http://yourserver/server_info |
| 23:02.40 | caphuso | orhad: why can't you just use cp like anyone else? |
| 23:02.49 | orhad | i get an error |
| 23:02.54 | drac | What was the command for 'line counting', e.g. dpkg -l | countlines ? |
| 23:02.56 | jono_ | cens0r, not found |
| 23:02.57 | cens0r | jono_ maybe you have to enable access to it first, httpd.conf |
| 23:02.58 | orhad | you see i mounted an ntfs drive that's failing and crashing windows in a server |
| 23:02.59 | caphuso | drac: man wc |
| 23:03.06 | orhad | and i'm trying to copy off very important files |
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| 23:03.08 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: thats just messy, and also " 2.5/2.6 support is highly experimental". I'd bet it doesnt support recent 2.6.x kernels either |
| 23:03.13 | Knight_Lord | drac: nl or wc -l |
| 23:03.15 | orhad | and some of them aren't copying, i'm getting "can't read" or something |
| 23:03.22 | drac | k thk |
| 23:03.22 | aokaze | thanks for all the help Knight_Lord |
| 23:03.26 | orhad | so i'm going to try dd |
| 23:03.26 | GrayDragon | ok... my problem is: I have no idea which files out of which folder to d/l if I want to use jigdo. I want the stable release for CD but there are lots of folders and files there and i don't know what to use. |
| 23:03.26 | jono_ | cens0r, there is nothing in httpd.conf about mod_php it seems |
| 23:03.29 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: you're welcome |
| 23:03.42 | cens0r | how can i configure Shorewall for an interface that is not always up? it chokes on booting and blocks my whole network if i have it in the configs |
| 23:03.43 | Nwallins | valdyn_: under *Driver Status:* The new driver supports only the 2.6 kernels. |
| 23:03.58 | cens0r | jono_ not php, server-info or server_info |
| 23:04.06 | jono_ | cens0r, ahhh, nothing in modules.conf either about php |
| 23:04.13 | Nwallins | valdyn_: from the readme: Recent 2.6.10-rc kernels should work with this device without patching. |
| 23:04.23 | aokaze | also thanks for some pationce with me hehe. I am new and a bit of a pain at times |
| 23:04.37 | jono_ | cens0r, huh? |
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| 23:04.52 | Nwallins | valdyn_: but i hear ya. i couldn't get linux-wlan-ng working on debian either |
| 23:04.55 | cens0r | enable access to server_info in your httpd.conf and then check the output |
| 23:05.28 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: no problem we're here to help (and bash newbies) |
| 23:06.05 | jono_ | what is the debian package with mod_php (PHP version 4) |
| 23:06.16 | aokaze | Knight_Lord: im only new to debian and windowmanagers |
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| 23:06.30 | Knight_Lord | Jono_: packages.debian.org is quite usefull for those questions |
| 23:07.02 | cens0r | jono_ apt-cache search php4 apache |
| 23:07.32 | cens0r | how can i configure Shorewall for an interface that is not always up? |
| 23:07.41 | GrayDragon | can anyone help me with jigdo? |
| 23:07.42 | GrayDragon | pls |
| 23:07.57 | Knight_Lord | GrayDragon: i can give it a try :-P |
| 23:08.03 | Knight_Lord | GrayDragon: so what is the problem? |
| 23:08.04 | drac | nl, or wc -l, OR grep -c ;) |
| 23:08.04 | GrayDragon | lol |
| 23:08.05 | GrayDragon | thx |
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| 23:08.18 | Knight_Lord | drac: i didn't know that grep thing ;-) |
| 23:08.31 | drac | i just found out myself =) |
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| 23:08.59 | orfeu | hy all |
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| 23:09.13 | mlewis00 | or |
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| 23:09.21 | mlewis00 | oops... |
| 23:09.23 | carbon60 | Evening all. |
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| 23:09.58 | carbon60 | For some reason ssh seems to be trying to do IPv6 lookups and is taking 4-5 seconds to connect unless I use -4. Anyone know how to make that the default? |
| 23:10.16 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: i just compiled it against 2.6.10, w/o any patching |
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| 23:10.54 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: zd1201-0.13.tar.gz |
| 23:12.18 | Nwallins | valdyn_: whoa.. you didn't get the error about ieee802_11.h? |
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| 23:13.17 | Nwallins | valdyn_: that's the version (.13) i have been working with |
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| 23:13.52 | Nwallins | valdyn_: `locate ieee802_11.h` plz? |
| 23:14.17 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: ./drivers/net/wireless/ieee802_11.h |
| 23:14.34 | Nwallins | should be installed by kernel-headers pkg? |
| 23:14.41 | aokaze | Knight_Lord: I also have a scroll wheel on my mouse and I use that to switch workspaces... you wouldnt happen to know how to change the rate of my scroll wheel because every time I click I skip 1 workspace each time so it goes from 1 to 3 or 2 to 4 ect |
| 23:15.19 | Nwallins | squeezebox:/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-386/drivers/net/wireless# ls |
| 23:15.21 | Nwallins | Kconfig Makefile prism54 |
| 23:15.25 | tarzeau | bob2: we have snow! |
| 23:15.36 | mlewis00 | orhad: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; dd noerror if= /mnt/path_to_file_to_recover of= /path_to_file_to_copy_to; .. I believe that is correct, but you shouldn't do too many attempts of anything without being relatively certain that it will work (i.e. if you can only copy the file with errors that is better than trying over and over to copy it without errors until the HDD completely fails). |
| 23:15.40 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: you need the full kernel source, headers are not enough for this |
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| 23:16.04 | Nwallins | oh ok.. how should i have known this? |
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| 23:18.54 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | SECURITY: CUPS (DSA 621-1) ZIP (624-1) EXIM (DSA 635-1) local kernel root exploit (SMP-only): http://tinyurl.com/5v7ty |
| 23:19.02 | aravind | hi, have any of you noticed probelms burning ISOs with 2.6.10 and the latest cdrecord from unstable? I am using the ATAPI mode and it keeps resetting the drive and failing on OPC. |
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| 23:23.34 | MilkyMouse | anybody?! |
| 23:23.38 | tdfc | sometimes when i remove a package i remove it's configuration files or base config dir, how can i make it so it reinstalls it when i reinstall the package ? |
| 23:23.38 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: you need kernel-image-2.6.10... too, unless you want to compile a complete kernel |
| 23:23.49 | caphuso | tdfc: use --purge |
| 23:23.57 | tdfc | ok |
| 23:23.58 | Knight_Lord | aokaze: i'm affraid it's impossible to do that in X. But i'm not quite sure |
| 23:23.59 | Nwallins | valdyn_: that was the first thing i did.. already running 2.6.10 |
| 23:24.22 | mlewis00 | orchid: Sorry, had to get up for a minute - I think I got some extra white space in the command...should be 'dd noerror if=/mnt/path_to_file_to_recover of=/path_to_file_to_copy_to' |
| 23:24.54 | Nwallins | valdyn_: if i understand you correctly.. |
| 23:24.55 | aokaze | well if its impossible to do that in X then Windowmaker should compensate for that |
| 23:25.08 | mlewis00 | orhad: Sorry, had to get up for a minute - I think I got some extra white space in the command...should be 'dd noerror if=/mnt/path_to_file_to_recover of=/path_to_file_to_copy_to' |
| 23:25.22 | mlewis00 | orchid: Sorry, meant for orhad :) |
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| 23:25.36 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: now you need to fix that "build" link in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) to point to your source, copy your currents kernel from /boot/config-2.6.10... to your source tree and name it ".config", and do make oldconfig in your kernel source tree |
| 23:25.55 | Nwallins | valdyn_: thx.. was just in the middle of moving the build link |
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| 23:26.12 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: ok - keep going |
| 23:26.26 | GlitchMaster | I made an effort to not forget the name of the person helping me. |
| 23:26.28 | Nwallins | part of me wants to start over with a clean install |
| 23:26.29 | GlitchMaster | I've forgotten. |
| 23:26.55 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: no use, we didnt fuck up anything |
| 23:26.56 | aokaze | oh well its not important I just got myself running even number of workspaces so that I can go to end and go back |
| 23:27.09 | aokaze | it just is an annoyance to have to do it that way |
| 23:27.11 | Nwallins | yeah.. just installed some unnecessary stuff |
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| 23:28.04 | GlitchMaster | Knight_Lord, I think.. |
| 23:28.10 | bitsko | I'm having trouble compiling lirc. running 'dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source', it's telling me "/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 is not a valid kernel source tree." I've configured and compiled the kernel in that tree. |
| 23:28.17 | gholen | How du I unpack .RAR files in my ubuntumachine? |
| 23:28.33 | drac | gholen: go ask #ubuntu |
| 23:28.35 | streuner__ | gholen: #ubuntu |
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| 23:28.40 | gholen | Sorry for the spelling=) |
| 23:28.44 | gholen | okej |
| 23:28.48 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: err, above i told you to copy "the kernel". That meant "the kernel's config" |
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| 23:29.06 | loke | is there any way to do a reverse dns in bx or irc if i have an ip and want to get the hostname? |
| 23:29.08 | MilkyMouse | hello! How can I prevent a user in /etc/passwd from logging on the system using SSH, ftp or pop3 and he still be able to use squid authentication with pam or yp?! :) |
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| 23:29.36 | Nwallins | ok thx.. btw.. /lib/modules/source is symlinked to /home/dilinger which doesn't exist wtf is that? |
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| 23:29.51 | Nwallins | err /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source |
| 23:29.59 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 23:30.05 | MilkyMouse | hi addntox |
| 23:30.09 | gholen | thx |
| 23:30.10 | MilkyMouse | nice music :) |
| 23:30.12 | addNtoX | hi MilkyMouse :) |
| 23:30.24 | valdyn_ | Nwallins: interesting, dilinger is the maintainer of the debian kernels, the existance of that link pointing to his homedir is a bug |
| 23:30.38 | Nwallins | source -> /home/dilinger/src/kernel/kernel-image/2.6.10-4/kernel-image-2.6.10-i386-2.6.10/install-386 |
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| 23:32.01 | MilkyMouse | addNtoX Do you know how to restric some access to some people with linux? I've just setted up a squid proxy on my box but when I add a user, he can log in my box if he wants to... I've setted his homedir to /bin/false but he can still login using pop and ftp (I've added his account name to /etc/ftpusers) but he can still login using pop3... any clues?? |
| 23:32.02 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: set the users shell to /bin/false |
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| 23:32.17 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ but he will still be able to login using pop3 :) |
| 23:32.22 | virgomoon | Does anyone in here have anything to do with the CD Vendor listing on the Debian website? |
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| 23:33.30 | addNtoX | MilkyMouse: i have absolutely no idea sorry :) |
| 23:33.40 | MilkyMouse | I guess linux is meant to be open and not closed and secured... lol |
| 23:33.41 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: you sure? i didnt think so |
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| 23:34.06 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ I tried it and it's not preventing the account from using ftp/pop3 |
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| 23:34.12 | MilkyMouse | but ssh is ok... |
| 23:34.13 | addNtoX | does anybody know how long a nmap -sS -T Paranoid -p 1-65335 normally takes? |
| 23:34.21 | addNtoX | more or less than a day? |
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| 23:34.52 | MilkyMouse | don't know |
| 23:34.53 | MilkyMouse | :) |
| 23:34.55 | FieldySnuts | addNtoX: or more |
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| 23:35.55 | MilkyMouse | I guess changing the shell for /bin/false simply prevents the account from logging in using a shell... but pop3 and ftp are still working |
| 23:35.58 | addNtoX | FieldySnuts: how much more? |
| 23:36.10 | FieldySnuts | addNtoX: considering it waits at least 5 minutes per packet.. and it takes a lot more than one packet per port |
| 23:36.36 | FieldySnuts | sneaky waits 15 seconds, far shorter |
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| 23:37.27 | addNtoX | FieldySnuts: considering he needs 2 packets per port that would be about 400 days???? is that possible? does this make sense? |
| 23:38.11 | FieldySnuts | more than 2 packets that's for sure :P |
| 23:38.13 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: looks to me like you need to set that up at your pop3 daemon |
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| 23:38.56 | caphuso | what, 5min per port? |
| 23:39.05 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: dovecot disallows all uids from 0-500 by default |
| 23:40.00 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: -T Paranoid waits a minimum of 5 minutes per packet |
| 23:40.09 | freazer | hello everyone! I'm trying to get into Debian, but I'm having several issues.. I'm trying to install my NV network driver, but the installer says it can't find my kernel source files.. do they come preinstalled with the base files or are they something I need to install manually? |
| 23:40.09 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: that would mean roughly 8 months for all 65535 ports |
| 23:40.11 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: I figure he's got the better part of a year to wait for all ports |
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| 23:40.39 | caphuso | 65535 5 * 60 / 24 / 30 / => 7.585069 |
| 23:41.00 | FieldySnuts | multiply that by the average number of packets it takes to scan a single port, and you got it |
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| 23:41.20 | maher | freazer: have you installed debian already? |
| 23:41.21 | FieldySnuts | talk about useless |
| 23:41.42 | caphuso | and the bass guitar looks like an axe |
| 23:41.47 | valdyn_ | freazer: forcedeth doesn't work? |
| 23:41.50 | caphuso | grr |
| 23:41.54 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:42.07 | loke | why the fuck is !lilo talking to me |
| 23:42.20 | caphuso | loke: he isn't |
| 23:42.33 | caphuso | he's talking to everyone interested in receiving wallops |
| 23:42.40 | grendal_prime | ok...ive installed all the kernel mods for my nvidia card kernel and all... |
| 23:42.50 | grendal_prime | now how can i tell if its actually booting that that kernel |
| 23:43.04 | grendal_prime | or does it actually boot to a new kerenel? |
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| 23:43.36 | maher | grendal_prime: if you've added modules you just need ot load them - the kernelis the same |
| 23:43.52 | grendal_prime | ok...how can i tell if there loaded? |
| 23:43.56 | FieldySnuts | isn't the official mx for the domain, n/m |
| 23:43.57 | maher | grendal_prime: lsmod |
| 23:44.21 | gilles | is there an editor than can edit files that are on a distant computer ? |
| 23:44.28 | caphuso | gilles: emacs |
| 23:44.40 | vulture | gilles: depends on how those files are accessible |
| 23:44.42 | grendal_prime | i dont see it |
| 23:44.44 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ I think I just found a strenght in M$ product... :) It can manage all access from a simple application... while Linux is not really using standards to inforce security... It would be nice that some kind of ACL allowing access to some service could be implemented in every application... through PAM maybe? Like : user anonymous allow ftp disallow pop3,squid,ssh,tty,xdm,xfree |
| 23:44.44 | grendal_prime | crap |
| 23:44.48 | vulture | if they are nfs mounted, any editor.. |
| 23:44.52 | grendal_prime | how do i manually load the fkr up? |
| 23:45.03 | gilles | vulture: no, the distant machine is linux |
| 23:45.09 | gilles | on linux |
| 23:45.10 | maher | grendal_prime: modprobe modulename |
| 23:45.11 | vulture | gilles: what's your point? |
| 23:45.13 | bbrazil | MilkyMouse: pam can 'include' other pam files |
| 23:45.28 | vulture | gilles: I said nfs, not ntfs.. |
| 23:45.34 | vulture | in case you were confused. |
| 23:45.43 | freazer | maher: I've tried both a woody minimal netinst and the fullblown stable Binary1,2 discs.. I'm stuck in console, xwindows won't init either.. neither have autodetected my PPPOE interface.. when I pop in Knoppix I noticed it uses forcedeth, I'm not sure how to go about getting it installed |
| 23:45.46 | gilles | vulture: i want to be able to edit php, html... files that are on my server from my personal computer |
| 23:46.02 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: thats the usual thing, unix is a grown invironment.. |
| 23:46.04 | MilkyMouse | bbrazil : but I can't restrict access to some list of application thru pam... or simply add the account name to the pam file of that app that should not be granted access... |
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| 23:46.10 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: thats the usual thing, unix is a grown environment.. |
| 23:46.26 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 600.075 seconds |
| 23:46.27 | maher | freazer: what state are you in currently |
| 23:46.35 | gilles | vulture: if editors like bluefish did that, it would be perfect |
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| 23:46.41 | bbrazil | MilkyMouse: unless you're using something like seLinux there's no point. whole compile from source thing etc. |
| 23:46.41 | vulture | gilles: right.. so you could NFS mount the remote filesystem on your local system and edit them that way.. it all depends on what type of connection[s] you have between these two systems |
| 23:46.42 | freazer | maher: Missouri? :-) |
| 23:46.44 | infinity_ | where can i find php5 packages? |
| 23:46.46 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: that was "nmap -sS -T paranoid -p 1 localhost" |
| 23:46.48 | vulture | gilles: did what exactly? |
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| 23:46.55 | maher | freazer: do you have a functioning install |
| 23:46.55 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: for a closed port, what about an open one? |
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| 23:47.01 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: windows is too, but it tries alot harder to hide that, which gives alot of problems too |
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| 23:47.38 | MilkyMouse | :) Maybe... I still prefer linux to windows but... still, that's a pain in the ass when you're trying to set something secure while not allow access to other services... |
| 23:47.38 | gilles | vulture: could edit the files that are on my server from my personal computer (via ssh for example) |
| 23:47.43 | freazer | maher: I'm logged into root access right now, I'm able to text-navigate |
| 23:47.48 | blackmariah | I want to change window managers. Under Fedora I could just edit the .Xclients-default file and be done with it. What's the equivalent in Debian? |
| 23:47.55 | maher | feazer: ok - fix X first |
| 23:48.00 | grivell | gilles: Try Quanta Plus with FISH. |
| 23:48.02 | vulture | gilles: you can tunnel nfs over ssh.. |
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| 23:48.05 | grivell | gilles: or sftp |
| 23:48.17 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: i do agree |
| 23:48.20 | abrotman | blackmariah: system wide or just yours? |
| 23:48.28 | maher | freazer: what version of debian have you installed |
| 23:48.32 | MobyTurbo | blackmariah: update-alternatives -config x-window-manager |
| 23:48.43 | blackmariah | I'm the only person that uses this so it doesn't really matter. System-wide, I guess. |
| 23:48.50 | abrotman | as MobyTurbo said |
| 23:48.55 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: still running... |
| 23:49.01 | marcheeks | freazer : are you dual booting |
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| 23:49.09 | Hezik | well.. i'm getting there.. just got one more question.. how do i get debian to write a new XF86Config-4 file? I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but that doesnt make a new file |
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| 23:49.23 | abrotman | because you edited it by hand at some point |
| 23:49.28 | streuner__ | Hezik: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 23:49.46 | freazer | marcheeks: I'm dual booting xp on hda and linux on hdb1, I have a shared fat32 partition that they can both access |
| 23:49.51 | freazer | maher: Debian v3.0r4 - startx gives me "no screens found" .. startkde gives me: unable to open display '' |
| 23:50.04 | blackmariah | Alright, cool. |
| 23:50.10 | grendal_prime | ok modprobe nvidia loads it up...but i dont see much difference...if at all |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | can i blame kde :) |
| 23:50.14 | Hezik | streuner__: thanks.. just one problem.. i deleted the existing file |
| 23:50.14 | blackmariah | What if I want to run KDE instead of Gnome? |
| 23:50.15 | maher | Freak: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:50.15 | grendal_prime | hmmmm |
| 23:50.24 | maher | freazer: : have you tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:50.27 | grendal_prime | im starting to think it was a huge waist of time |
| 23:50.34 | Hezik | can i just make an empty one and then make a new md5sum? |
| 23:50.42 | grendal_prime | glxgears running about 115 or so |
| 23:50.43 | streuner__ | Hezik: touch /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:50.49 | Hezik | nods |
| 23:50.49 | streuner__ | Hezik: yes |
| 23:50.50 | Hezik | ok |
| 23:50.53 | Hezik | thanks for your help! |
| 23:50.55 | grendal_prime | that sound right for a tnt card.. |
| 23:51.03 | marcheeks | freazer : try, X -configure ;cp /root/XF86Config.new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:51.23 | abrotman | grendal_prime: doesn't sound too far off |
| 23:51.28 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ : Unless I don't understand how PAM works... ??? Maybe I could add the account name in some place to prevent that account from using pop3 !? |
| 23:51.36 | marcheeks | freazer : to test X -xf86config /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 23:51.39 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that card is ... 7 years old now? |
| 23:51.44 | FieldySnuts | @clue MilkyMouse |
| 23:51.47 | grendal_prime | ya...something like that |
| 23:51.50 | grendal_prime | hmmm..bummer |
| 23:51.57 | blackmariah | That is, what's the easiest way to switch between KDE and Gnome without using gdm or similar? |
| 23:52.00 | MilkyMouse | FieldySnuts ??? |
| 23:52.22 | grivell | blackmariah: Check out /etc/alternatives/ |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | blackmariah: use a *dm that gives you both choices .. or learn how to do it |
| 23:52.25 | streuner__ | blackmariah: apt-get install gdm (GNOME), apt-get install kdm (KDE) |
| 23:52.44 | freazer | insider Xserver-xfree86, if I have a USB mouse, should I select /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 23:52.50 | MilkyMouse | FieldySnuts : Can I do that? |
| 23:52.58 | maher | freazer: yes |
| 23:52.59 | blackmariah | I'm trying to learn how to do it. :P Under Fedora I just edited .Xclients-default, but I have no idea how to do it in Debian. |
| 23:53.08 | loke | !beer everyone |
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| 23:53.41 | abrotman | wow .. didn't even try to mask it :) |
| 23:53.49 | streuner__ | blackmariah: edit ~/.xsession for KDE 'exec startkde' for GNOME 'exec gnome-session' |
| 23:54.03 | Hezik | well finally got it running |
| 23:54.07 | abrotman | though .. you can have gdm ignore that file . or use it |
| 23:54.15 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:54.16 | gilles | vulture: i'm not sure to understand what is NFS... |
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| 23:54.25 | RzR_iuma_com | hi |
| 23:54.32 | RzR_iuma_com | any skype user here ? |
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| 23:54.50 | marcheeks | freazer: /dev/input/mice is generally for usb; for serial , use psaux |
| 23:54.53 | abrotman | !skype |
| 23:54.53 | dpkg | hmm... skype is a free voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/ |
| 23:54.58 | Hezik | i must say.. they really need to fix the nvidia drivers for testing.. took me 1 day to recompile a good kernel and find out that after all i would need to install the nvidia drivers |
| 23:55.00 | blackmariah | streuner__: Thank you very much. I'll give that a shot. |
| 23:55.03 | Hezik | but i got it working now :P |
| 23:55.26 | grivell | streuner__: What about update-alternatives? Why edit a text file? :) |
| 23:55.26 | |rufius| | What would be the best way to make a cronscript that will run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" nightly? |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | grr .. i smell brocilli |
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| 23:55.43 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
| 23:55.46 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | !apt-get cron |
| 23:55.59 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 23:56.11 | orfeu | pls tell me an dc++ client ??? |
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| 23:56.20 | popey | i do apt-get update && apt-get -d upgrade overnight |
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| 23:56.30 | streuner__ | |rufius|: that package exist, but almost nobody use it |
| 23:56.34 | popey | that way it downloads all the packages and I choose whether to do an upgrade the next day |
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| 23:56.34 | abrotman | |rufius|: there is a cron-apt |
| 23:56.38 | Soran | are there any program in linux to recover files form a failing hd |
| 23:56.41 | Soran | other than DD |
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| 23:57.14 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman i got a dual boot on this machine but when i try and boot the "other OS windows 95 " it just hangs...like the line that grub is feeding is wrong |
| 23:57.15 | RzR_iuma_com | Soran: unlucky man |
| 23:57.19 | freazer | maher: I tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" again, a similar setup ran during the initial install, I'm still getting "no screens found" :( |
| 23:57.19 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 600.024 seconds |
| 23:57.30 | maher | freazer: what graphics chipset |
| 23:57.31 | grendal_prime | anyone got one that is working they could look at for me quick? |
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| 23:57.33 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that's possible .. but win95 has .. issues |
| 23:57.43 | Xsquared | hello, i want to try get my cd burner working under debian. I don't think it is detected or anything but if i type eject /cdrom, both the cdwriter and the other cd drive pops out. What do i have to do to get it detected. It is an LG Drive. |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i use grub... |
| 23:57.53 | RzR_iuma_com | my skype bug : http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?p=67333&highlight=#67333 |
| 23:57.59 | grendal_prime | this is 98... |
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| 23:58.04 | freazer | marcheeks: "X -configure ;cp /root/XF86Config.new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" gives me the error "XFree86 has fund a valid card configuration. Unfortuntely, the appropriate data has not been added to xf86PciInfo.h" |
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| 23:58.06 | grendal_prime | im using grub too |
| 23:58.21 | abrotman | grendal_prime: i'll put it in #flood |
| 23:58.22 | hispafuentes | i |
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| 23:58.42 | marco_pazzo | hi all |
| 23:58.48 | Hezik | ok another question.. i'd like to have a kernel splash screen.. is that possible with a nvidia card? the nvidia drivers wont allow me to compile the nvidia framebuffer |
| 23:58.50 | blackmariah | Okay... so this is weird. |
| 23:58.54 | abrotman | grendal_prime: that's mine that works .. but for XP |
| 23:59.01 | marco_pazzo | sorry for my english, i am italian |
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| 23:59.10 | grendal_prime | i dont know if i got it all can you do it again? |
| 23:59.11 | abrotman | !it |
| 23:59.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 23:59.18 | freazer | maher: I am using an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro card, I chose "ati" from the list and input my monitor specifications exactly |
| 23:59.23 | blackmariah | I created a .xsession file and added the line 'exec startkde' to it, and sure enough KDE starts up... |
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| 23:59.31 | blackmariah | but I still have my Gnome panels as well. |
| 23:59.35 | cthulfuego | freazer: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 23:59.51 | cthulfuego | freazer: You'll want the proprietary binary-only ones. |
| 23:59.54 | Hezik | quit |
