| 00:00.32 | streuner__ | blackmariah: what else is in .xsession? |
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| 00:00.37 | marco_pazzo | do you know anything about canon smartbase mpc400? |
| 00:00.46 | grendal_prime | hmm..well what i get is ... root (hd1,0) |
| 00:00.47 | blackmariah | streuner__: That's all I put in there. What did I break? lol |
| 00:00.51 | maher | freazer: is your network working? |
| 00:00.52 | grivell | blackmariah: Why not update-alternatives? |
| 00:01.00 | marco_pazzo | i can't use it under linux |
| 00:01.00 | grendal_prime | filesystem type is fat, partition type 0xc |
| 00:01.03 | cthulfuego | blackmariah: How do you start X? |
| 00:01.05 | bob2 | Could anyone imagine how a remote attacker (with probably no access to the cache except via squid) could force squid to start returning a single pacge for any arbitrary url? |
| 00:01.17 | grendal_prime | saveddefault makeactive chainloader +1 |
| 00:01.18 | abrotman | grendal_prime: doesn't win98 have to be the first partition on the first drive? |
| 00:01.19 | marco_pazzo | because cups doesn't support it |
| 00:01.21 | freazer | cthulfuego: thanks cthulfuego, I'll download them to my FAT32 shared partition and try to install them |
| 00:01.24 | blackmariah | grivell: That only gives me a choice of metacity or fluxbox. No KDE. |
| 00:01.29 | Voot | is anyone familiar with gimp? I'm having trouble with transparency... |
| 00:01.31 | blackmariah | cthulfuego: I just use startx. |
| 00:01.32 | cthulfuego | bob2: There was a squid bug a couple days ago. |
| 00:01.34 | grendal_prime | well i have it on second drive |
| 00:01.45 | grivell | blackmariah: You mean kwin isn't available?? |
| 00:01.51 | blackmariah | nope |
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| 00:01.53 | grendal_prime | debina installer saw it and set up the grub |
| 00:01.53 | cthulfuego | bob2: Alternatively your browser is borken. |
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| 00:02.06 | abrotman | grendal_prime: but i think windows will freak out |
| 00:02.08 | mirak | hi |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | grendal_prime: you could ask #grub if they are alive |
| 00:02.27 | grendal_prime | good idea |
| 00:02.30 | mirak | on a form for a job there is a field called "cover letter" and another "resume" |
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| 00:02.39 | mirak | what does this mean ? |
| 00:02.45 | bob2 | cthulfuego: hm, they are windows clients... |
| 00:02.51 | bob2 | mirak: that you need a friend who has a job |
| 00:02.52 | cthulfuego | bob2: IE? |
| 00:02.54 | maher | mirak: is this the first job youhave ever applied for? :) |
| 00:02.57 | bob2 | cthulfuego: of course |
| 00:03.16 | mirak | maher: with an english form yes |
| 00:03.18 | grivell | blackmariah: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 00:03.21 | cthulfuego | bob2: Then they may have no connectivity and just keep displaying whatever was on there. Kill their local cache, quit IE, start IE. |
| 00:03.43 | cthulfuego | bob2: transparent proxying set up? |
| 00:03.57 | maher | mirak: resume=cv, cover letter = explain why you can do the job - rehash the job add |
| 00:04.11 | mirak | maher: ok |
| 00:04.19 | abrotman | bob2: spyware |
| 00:04.26 | abrotman | bob2: or changed hosts entry? |
| 00:04.38 | nvz | this bittorent is causing soo much lag I cant play bzflag |
| 00:04.43 | blackmariah | grivell: Ah, there we go. BRB. Testing. |
| 00:04.56 | cthulfuego | nvz: Excuses, you just suck at it, that's why you get fragged. |
| 00:04.59 | bob2 | cthulfuego: well, the weird thing is that they started getting dodgy pages slowly over a few days, until every single result was some spamsite |
| 00:05.12 | nvz | cthulfuego: no I am getting booted off the servers for lag |
| 00:05.14 | cthulfuego | bob2: spyware |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | bob2: i suppose it's possible they even changed the dns servers .. and when you do a lookup .. it sends * to thier shit |
| 00:05.39 | freazer | Where can I download forcedeth to get my network connection working? |
| 00:05.55 | bob2 | abrotman: I thought dns poisoning somehow, but in this case it would mean someone cracked telstra (our "national" telco)...which isn't impossible, but doesn't seem likely |
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| 00:06.01 | maher | freazer: what network card do you have |
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| 00:06.22 | freazer | integrated nic card on an ABIT nforce2 motherboard, NF7-S |
| 00:06.25 | blackmariah | grivell: That did it. Thanks a lot. |
| 00:06.32 | abrotman | bob2: not at all .. spyware changed the DNS servers used by windows .. so that when you query .. sends you to crap site |
| 00:06.52 | abrotman | bob2: virus is possible too |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | or combo!! |
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| 00:07.01 | bob2 | hm |
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| 00:07.43 | grendal_prime | damn it, abrotman i accidently closed down my xchat |
| 00:07.45 | abrotman | bob2: you can use ad-aware or spybot to search for spyware ... maybe you'll get lucky |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | grendal_prime: this is bad? |
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| 00:08.00 | abrotman | funbags? |
| 00:08.02 | cthulfuego | bob2: Possibly a spyware thing or trojan that nestles in the Shell registry entry. I found one a 2 weeks ago; started 'explorer.exe c:\foo\spyware.exe' as shell. Bastard was not easy to get rid of. |
| 00:08.03 | grendal_prime | yta....heheeh i lost the info you pasted in flood |
| 00:08.05 | vulture | abrotman: doesn't even have to change the DNS server, just makes local changes to the hosts file, or vetos hostname lookups before they even go anywhere.. etc.. but the same princpile |
| 00:08.08 | Funbags | abrotman: ya |
| 00:08.17 | abrotman | vulture: i said that .. earlier |
| 00:08.24 | vulture | abrotman: *nods* |
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| 00:09.35 | grivell | blackmariah: Glad I could help. |
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| 00:10.00 | bob2 | abrotman: cthulfuego: it seems everything is going through squid (ie actual normal urls are listed in the squid logs, but the clients are still displaying crap) |
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| 00:10.17 | cthulfuego | bob2: Do a dns lookup on the squid machine; what happens? |
| 00:10.30 | bob2 | cthulfuego: they look fine |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | bob2: do an nslookup from the IE client |
| 00:10.45 | cthulfuego | bob2: links/lynx on the linux box via the proxy? |
| 00:11.01 | vulture | bob2: so squid is logging requests to the correct pages, but the client is displaying different content? |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | squid logs by name right? |
| 00:11.06 | SuperQ | anyone familiar with Plesk or C-Panel on debian machines? |
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| 00:11.14 | cthulfuego | abrotman: If you go via squid, the SQUID box does the ns lookup on the host in the http header. |
| 00:11.18 | pipeline | SuperQ: People ask that literally a hundred times a day. |
| 00:11.24 | SuperQ | pipeline: haha |
| 00:11.39 | cthulfuego | pipeline: Any hosting provider that offers plesk and debian would be familiar. |
| 00:11.44 | pipeline | SuperQ: The answer is always a circumspect way of saying "fuck off." Plesk and C-panel and Webmin and all their ilk are a *bad* *thing* |
| 00:11.53 | abrotman | cthulfuego: maybe it's .. doing two different requests? |
| 00:11.59 | abrotman | bob2: does it also log the crap site? |
| 00:12.06 | marco_altro_nick | help canon MPC 400 |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:12.14 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:12.16 | Funbags | how does one get the "build" directory in the /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386, trying to compile ivtv and it says directory doesnt exist. |
| 00:12.24 | cthulfuego | bob2: What happens when you run Firefox on a client? |
| 00:12.28 | cthulfuego | bob2: (through the proxy) |
| 00:12.56 | SuperQ | pipeline: I know, personaly I hate the idea, but the customers demand the crap |
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| 00:13.34 | kethinov | hi folks. i'm having some trouble with apt. |
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| 00:13.47 | grendal_prime | ok...well say for instance i have grub installed on the second drive...what do i just set up my bios to boot from the second drive first? |
| 00:13.48 | drac | and that's all folks? |
| 00:13.50 | cthulfuego | marco_altro_nick: Are you suggesting we go to goole and find out what the canon mpc400 is and what youir problem with it is? Or are you going to eventually just tell us? |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | kethinov: just ask |
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| 00:13.57 | grendal_prime | i guess that would be the anser to that problem hehehe |
| 00:14.01 | grendal_prime | ill give that a try |
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| 00:14.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: not all bioses support that |
| 00:14.17 | kethinov | apt won't let me install the dpkg from here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=15781 |
| 00:14.19 | grendal_prime | i think this one does though |
| 00:14.21 | kethinov | is there some way i can force it? |
| 00:14.38 | grendal_prime | abrotman, what would you suggest if it doesnt? |
| 00:14.43 | bobbyd_ | hi, can anyone tell me what to change to set the keyboard locale to uk? I'm using xebian but the keyboard is set to US... |
| 00:15.10 | abrotman | kethinov: i don't see an apt source |
| 00:15.11 | christor | please how to install a network card Nvdia on debian/sarge 2.6.8 |
| 00:15.12 | cthulfuego | bob2: dpkg-reconfigure console(-common) |
| 00:15.15 | abrotman | grendal_prime: kill it all!! |
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| 00:15.26 | abrotman | !tell christor about nvidia |
| 00:15.28 | abrotman | !tell christor about nvidia install |
| 00:15.30 | abrotman | !tell christor about nvidia debs |
| 00:15.37 | shingouz | kethinov: download the package and dpkg -i foo |
| 00:15.37 | grendal_prime | ya no shit |
| 00:15.39 | cthulfuego | !grr |
| 00:15.53 | kethinov | abrotman, there's a debian package provided on that page. when i try to dpkg -i it, it wont let me overwrite files because they're in my regular kwin package |
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| 00:16.07 | abrotman | kethinov: man dpkg .. it tells you exactly how |
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| 00:16.34 | kethinov | abrotman, bah, i've been manning apt-get for an hour. doh! |
| 00:17.05 | cthulfuego | kethinov: Mail the package creator and tell them their package is broken. |
| 00:17.25 | christor | abrotman: not understood??? |
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| 00:17.36 | abrotman | christor: those links all tell you how to install nvidia on debian |
| 00:17.45 | adrian_ | How do I start the MySQL server in Debian? I had it running, but I restarted and can't seem to turn it back on again... *blush* What's the line, again? |
| 00:17.56 | Funbags | anyone use ivtv w/ 2.6? |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 00:18.13 | adrian_ | server:/etc/init.d# mysql start |
| 00:18.14 | adrian_ | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 00:18.14 | adrian_ | =/ |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | why did you break it? |
| 00:18.30 | adrian_ | I broke it? o-O |
| 00:18.33 | adrian_ | It was working about 10 minutes ago |
| 00:18.37 | chealer | adrian_: add "."" |
| 00:18.44 | chealer | I mean "./" |
| 00:18.47 | cthulfuego | adrian_: ./mysql star |
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| 00:19.07 | adrian_ | server:/etc/init.d# ./mysql start |
| 00:19.07 | adrian_ | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld |
| 00:19.07 | adrian_ | ...failed. |
| 00:19.07 | adrian_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.09 | cthulfuego | adrian_: If you want to know why, type 'which mysql'. |
| 00:19.10 | hacim | hrm, anyone got any ideas of where I can look to figure out why my munin graphs aren't displaying their data properly? |
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| 00:19.19 | cthulfuego | fuck, idiot! |
| 00:19.19 | alex323 | how do i make a package CD with my custom packages? |
| 00:19.22 | adrian_ | =( |
| 00:19.24 | adrian_ | It says it failed to start |
| 00:19.27 | adrian_ | And to check my syslog |
| 00:19.27 | abrotman | adrian_: don't flood |
| 00:19.33 | adrian_ | Sorry, didn't mean to... it was only 3 lines |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | adrian_: so check the damn syslog |
| 00:19.36 | vulture | adrian_: so check the syslog.. |
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| 00:19.41 | cthulfuego | adrian_: it was 4. |
| 00:19.55 | cthulfuego | adrian_: .. and yes, 3 is a flood too. |
| 00:20.14 | adrian_ | Any ideas how I could have broken it in ten minutes flat without even touching it? |
| 00:20.15 | abrotman | adrian_: so check the damn syslog |
| 00:20.17 | glick | excuse me im trying to use gmailfs i installed it via apt, but when i follow the directions on the webpage to mount it, the gmailfs.py file isnt in /usr/local/bin/ |
| 00:20.18 | adrian_ | OK, OK, I am |
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| 00:20.22 | glick | like the directions say |
| 00:20.32 | directhex | glick, file a bug? |
| 00:20.43 | alex323 | how do i make a package CD with my custom packages? |
| 00:20.47 | grendal_prime | any way to move reinstall grub on the windows partition? |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | directhex: seemingly not a debian package .. none put binaries in /usr/local |
| 00:20.49 | vulture | glick: dpkg -L gmailfs |
| 00:20.54 | glick | i just thought someone in here might have used it or something |
| 00:21.06 | vulture | abrotman: it is a debian package, he's just reading non-debian documentation |
| 00:21.18 | abrotman | oh ... well .. that's not my fault :) |
| 00:21.34 | glick | thanks vulture |
| 00:21.34 | kethinov | hmm, i dont see in the dpkg man page how to force it to overwrite. i still get the error "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwin', which is also in package kwin" when i dpkg -i it |
| 00:21.36 | vulture | glick: dpkg -L gmailfs to list the package contents.. files will have been moved from their original location to match debian policy |
| 00:21.48 | alex323 | how do i make a package CD with my custom packages? |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | kethinov: bullshit |
| 00:21.58 | marco_altro_nick | italian group can't help me |
| 00:22.08 | abrotman | alex323: stop repeating |
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| 00:22.26 | alex323 | how come |
| 00:22.26 | abrotman | !tell alex323 about repeat |
| 00:22.29 | kethinov | abrotman, what option should i pass to dpkg to make it overwrite anyway? |
| 00:22.29 | grendal_prime | goog god..nothing on the windows machine works |
| 00:22.33 | cthulfuego | marco_altro_nick: We can't help you either if you don't tell us what the problem is. |
| 00:22.34 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:22.39 | abrotman | kethinov: it's in the man page .. it really is |
| 00:22.44 | grendal_prime | i fogot how much i hate that frigging os |
| 00:22.49 | helloyo | is there no way to unrar rar 3.0 files? |
| 00:22.55 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 00:22.55 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
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| 00:23.03 | marco_altro_nick | I can't use my printer Canon Smartbase MPC 400 |
| 00:23.09 | abrotman | groundbreaking! |
| 00:23.11 | cthulfuego | kethinov: dpkg --force-help |
| 00:23.23 | cthulfuego | marco_altro_nick: Is it supported by your print software? |
| 00:23.24 | grendal_prime | abrotman, did i tell you about my the second job i picked up last month? |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | grendal_prime: porn star? |
| 00:23.32 | helloyo | thanks abrotman |
| 00:23.46 | marco_altro_nick | yes but it is for windows |
| 00:24.03 | grendal_prime | no, no...my SECOND JOb the porn star thing is my primary job |
| 00:24.10 | cthulfuego | marco_altro_nick: Is it supported by your print software on LINUX? |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | oh .. gotcha |
| 00:24.16 | maher | marco_altro_nick: is it supported by cups |
| 00:24.21 | marco_altro_nick | no |
| 00:24.25 | marco_altro_nick | by cups no |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | ok .. |
| 00:24.33 | abrotman | !magic |
| 00:24.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, magic is a tool and i am its taskmaster |
| 00:24.44 | cthulfuego | marco_altro_nick: Well, then it's not going to work. End of story. |
| 00:24.54 | marco_altro_nick | ok tnx |
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| 00:25.03 | alex323 | dpkg: dont send me a PM again or i will rape you |
| 00:25.03 | dpkg | alex323: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:25.06 | abrotman | why isn't there a #cups |
| 00:25.06 | grendal_prime | ya...well anyway went to work for local isp doing db web integration stuff...sort of liason between there graphic art people and there perl proggers |
| 00:25.14 | abrotman | !tell alex323 about what are you |
| 00:25.25 | grendal_prime | cause you know those people hate each other |
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| 00:25.35 | kethinov | i just tried the command dpkg --force-overwrite -i (foo) and it seemed to work |
| 00:25.41 | abrotman | we know :) |
| 00:25.48 | cthulfuego | kethinov: That is indeed the option you were after. |
| 00:25.52 | gilles | Is there a command that would mount my network same as when doing : "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/winsys" to mount windows partition, but where I would have to type "mount-network user@ip /dev/my_network", which would make appear a new icon on my desktop to browse among the network and be able to edit my php/html/... files with my editor (bluefish) ? |
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| 00:26.02 | kethinov | i'll have to restart to see if it worked. wish me luck :) |
| 00:26.04 | alex323 | !tell abrotman that i dont want any more stupid PMs from you |
| 00:26.16 | bbrazil | gilles: smbmount |
| 00:26.18 | abrotman | alex323: then go use google .. dumbass |
| 00:26.35 | gilles | bbrazil: smbmount uses ssh ? |
| 00:26.39 | vitriol | what do you have to say to dpkg about kernels to get the message about building kernels 'the debian way' (TM) |
| 00:26.42 | grendal_prime | so the fist day I go in and they give me this windows..box..its on my desk all configured and everthing..."im like...what am i supposed to do with that?" |
| 00:26.42 | alex323 | fuck head stfu |
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| 00:26.55 | grendal_prime | and then the thing crashes...and then crashes again |
| 00:27.04 | cthulfuego | alex323: Abuse isn't going to make people want to help you. |
| 00:27.07 | bbrazil | gilles: I tihnk there's some SSL support in there, don't know if windows supports it |
| 00:27.10 | alex323 | so anyway, how do i make a package CD with my custom packages? |
| 00:27.20 | cthulfuego | alex323: install apt-move |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | alex323: you're being an idiot .. someone here knows the answer .. you keep FUCKING REPEATING .. and you're abusive |
| 00:27.29 | cthulfuego | (or maybe apt-cdrom) |
| 00:27.36 | alex323 | cthulfuego: all people hate me by default |
| 00:27.42 | cthulfuego | alex323: I can see why. |
| 00:27.46 | nvz | grr.. I dont know what causes it, but several times has my screen gotten to a point where when closing a screen it says it cannot write to /var/run/utmp.. and the only way I know to fix it is to restart screen |
| 00:27.52 | glick | how can you see how much of your quota you are using? |
| 00:27.52 | alex323 | cthulfuego: it's a net install |
| 00:27.58 | abrotman | cthulfuego: i think he wants to make his own archive .. i'm not sure |
| 00:28.01 | nvz | its fucking annoying.. the whole reason I run screen is so I dont have to restart anything |
| 00:28.10 | grendal_prime | and i finally say..ok i have to use this right...i swear man..i tried for 20 min to do the most basic things...i just couldnt do it...i yanked my laptop out and started using it |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | !lose nvz |
| 00:28.14 | dpkg | nvz: You Lose. |
| 00:28.16 | cthulfuego | alex323: If the packages are on a CD it's not a netinst. |
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| 00:28.27 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:28.28 | bbrazil | gilles: if you're looking for something encrypted try shfs, you might be able to get cygwin to work with it |
| 00:28.46 | grendal_prime | now the damn thing is a dev server sitting on my desk with debian and mysql and apache running on it |
| 00:28.47 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 00:28.55 | jmbarbier | hello... before going to bed, just a little story abount sound servers...if anybody has a better solution.... I tried to get sound over network with kde... with esd... BUT there is no way to set a remote server name (local only, hardcoded)... so i've got the solution : launch artsd with local esd support, get esd output with esdmon and pipe it to esdplay on the server... all this stuff to get a nice sound when kde crashes... |
| 00:29.01 | bbrazil | glick: quota -v |
| 00:29.01 | grendal_prime | and postgres as well |
| 00:29.06 | glick | thanks |
| 00:29.09 | gilles | bbrazil: i don't use nor need windows at all |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | jmbarbier: hint . don't use kde if it crashes :) |
| 00:29.25 | gilles | bbrazil: the windows mount was an example |
| 00:29.51 | bbrazil | gilles: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 00:30.07 | jmbarbier | abrotman: I don't use it... fluxbox/rxvt enough... but my wife comes from windows world... |
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| 00:30.07 | freazer | hrm, with all this difficulty in both my video and network cards not working, I'm tempted to try to redownload an entirely different install and try to get that working, does anyone know of a netinst that comes with forcedeth or NV nforce NIC card drivers built in? |
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| 00:30.42 | cthulfuego | fraxtal: hint: it's the hardware, not the software. |
| 00:30.46 | gilles | brazil: i want to be able to edit my php files that are on a distant server with the Bluefish editor that is on my laptop |
| 00:30.50 | fraxtal | cthulfuego: really? |
| 00:30.59 | cthulfuego | s/fraxtal/freazer/ |
| 00:30.59 | gilles | bbrazil |
| 00:31.07 | fraxtal | hehe |
| 00:31.10 | bbrazil | gilles: shfs should let you do that |
| 00:31.15 | cthulfuego | fraxtal: Possibly. Depends on your problem. |
| 00:31.36 | cthulfuego | gilles: use gnome and access files via sftp:// |
| 00:31.48 | larrikin | well, my problem started when I was just a youngun |
| 00:31.55 | gilles | cthulfuego: i already use gnome |
| 00:31.57 | directhex | freazer, yes. |
| 00:32.01 | larrikin | I think I was dropped |
| 00:32.02 | directhex | !tell freazer about d-i |
| 00:32.40 | grendal_prime | well screw it...im just going to use one of the shitty boxes for a winmachine...i have this damn testing stuff that will only run on windows |
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| 00:32.56 | grendal_prime | seeeee yaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:32.58 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
| 00:33.18 | cthulfuego | gilles: Then simply open the remote folder via sftp in nautilus and edit. |
| 00:33.20 | fraxtal | Is there a need for more Debian developers? |
| 00:33.25 | jmstacey | where is the startup directory in debian located? (example: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ in freebsd)\ |
| 00:33.43 | cthulfuego | jmstacey: /etc/init.d/ (and links in /etc/rc?.d/) |
| 00:33.51 | freazer | directhex: thanks, I'm downloading sarge-i386-netinst.iso.. if I can't get this one off the ground easily, I think I'll just go back to Windows and stop bothering you folks |
| 00:33.57 | jmstacey | thanks |
| 00:34.14 | directhex | freazer, you were trying woody (3.0)? |
| 00:34.53 | kreg | anyone wanna takle a routing thing? |
| 00:35.00 | paulswm | jmstacey: man update-rc.d to do stuff with it |
| 00:35.05 | grivell | directhex: God bless him. |
| 00:35.12 | cthulfuego | freazer: You need sarge and a 2.6 kernel for support for your hardware., |
| 00:35.19 | directhex | cthulfuego, no, you don't |
| 00:35.29 | directhex | cthulfuego, forcedeth was added i think in 2.4.23 |
| 00:35.45 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 00:35.46 | dpkg | i heard woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 00:35.46 | glick | hey how come on giam i have never been able to send a file |
| 00:35.53 | cthulfuego | directhex: More development has been going on in 2.6, probably has better support then 2.4 |
| 00:35.56 | glick | is there a port that has to be open that isnt |
| 00:36.03 | glick | or will gaims send file always be broken |
| 00:36.13 | directhex | dpkg, woody hardware support =~ s/e100/e100, forcedeth/ |
| 00:36.13 | dpkg | OK, directhex |
| 00:36.15 | kreg | glick, you behind a nat box? |
| 00:36.17 | cthulfuego | glick: It'd an messenger. not a frickin ftp server. |
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| 00:36.36 | glick | kreg: im not sure |
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| 00:36.43 | pipeline | Buuyo^: Bad plan, jack. |
| 00:36.48 | glick | kreg: i dont know too much about networking |
| 00:36.49 | kreg | glick, ok a firewall? |
| 00:36.53 | glick | im behind a firewall |
| 00:36.58 | freazer | my README says: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r4 "Woody" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD |
| 00:37.14 | kreg | that firewall will need to setup ip connect track for your files to work. not gaim's fault |
| 00:37.18 | freazer | I think my kernel was 2.2.20? but I'm not sure exactly how to get that information |
| 00:37.26 | peterS | freazer: uname -r |
| 00:37.34 | directhex | freazer, right. so that would be woody. which would have 2.2.20 or 2.4.18, and have early 2002 hardware support |
| 00:37.39 | kreg | glick, file transfers work fine in gaim |
| 00:37.41 | peterS | but if you think it's 2.2.20, it probably really is. that was one of your choices. |
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| 00:37.46 | glick | kreg: how do i set that up? |
| 00:37.48 | grivell | kreg: Nah, just forward a certain port to specific IP address. |
| 00:38.00 | glick | kreg: basically my firewall is a wireless linksys router |
| 00:38.03 | kreg | glick, you'll have to ask your admin for that firewall |
| 00:38.10 | glick | heh im the admin |
| 00:38.11 | idnar | 2.2.20-idepci, *shudder* |
| 00:38.13 | kreg | glick, k, won't work then i don't thihk |
| 00:38.18 | kreg | try waht grivell says |
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| 00:39.01 | kreg | but if it's just a linksys, you won't be able to tell it any iptables tricks |
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| 00:39.44 | glick | grivell: what port? |
| 00:40.04 | grivell | glick: no idea. Never used Gaim for sending files :) |
| 00:40.08 | freazer | thanks directhex and cthulfuego, I'll be trying an up to date sarge install |
| 00:40.26 | freazer | thanks everyone for the help and advice, sorry to be so troublesome ! hopefully I won't be back.. |
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| 00:42.49 | grivell | glick: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q30 |
| 00:43.16 | green_earz | freazer: for the sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 00:43.32 | glick | yeah i know its supported but i dont knwo what specifically i have to open on my firewall |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | this AFC game is .. crap |
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| 00:45.23 | Xsquared | hello, i want to try get my cd burner working under debian. I don't think it is detected or anything but if i type eject /cdrom, both the cdwriter and the other cd drive pops out. What do i have to do to get it detected. It is an LG Drive. |
| 00:45.31 | Echizen | i used to use irssi i complied myself. i switched to using the debian package instead. now it's not overriding my unix logon anymore. why is that? |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | Xsquared: did you try the HOWTO at all? |
| 00:46.01 | Echizen | it says f00k, my unix login, instead of what i have specified for username, Echizen |
| 00:46.06 | grivell | glick: Found the ports. http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Broadband/DSL_Cable/Q_20410745.html |
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| 00:46.28 | gameover | anyone know how to get 5.1 sound going with an audigy |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | !tell Xsquared about debian burner |
| 00:46.34 | Buuyo^ | You wouldn't believe it. The craziest thing is happening with my ubuntu. (It uses debian network/interfaces). It thinks my bridge device is a wireless network device. |
| 00:46.44 | gameover | mabie some kind of mixer i need, i know suse had one that made it cake |
| 00:46.47 | FieldySnuts | @topicsmite Buuyo^ |
| 00:46.48 | mwilson | Buuyo^: #ubunty |
| 00:46.50 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Buuyo^. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:46.51 | mwilson | #ubuntu, even |
| 00:46.54 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 00:47.02 | paulswm | man, irssi-text looks like a pain in the butt to set up, hope it's worth it |
| 00:47.03 | Xsquared | abrotman: oh ok, thanks. |
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| 00:47.17 | Buuyo^ | I checked with my debian box too. It does it as well. |
| 00:47.37 | paulswm | !badgerknoppix |
| 00:47.37 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 00:47.40 | thenuke | paulswm: :o it does not need any configurations |
| 00:47.46 | mwilson | Actually, I doubt either one has an opinion one way or the other. |
| 00:47.50 | Buuyo^ | brutal dpkg |
| 00:47.53 | Buuyo^ | you're turning heads |
| 00:48.19 | paulswm | thenuke: oh, good, because when I fired it up it told me to stopm and go read the howto first :) |
| 00:48.28 | Echizen | anyone know? |
| 00:48.55 | cthulfuego | Know what? |
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| 00:49.34 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 00:49.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | that's not niced |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | that's not nice |
| 00:50.04 | aum | hi - can't burn cds with linux 2.6.10 (IDE lite-on burner) - was fine in 2.6.8 - anything i can do? |
| 00:50.05 | cthulfuego | !renice 19 abrotman |
| 00:50.06 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 00:50.08 | paulswm | thenuke: can't do irc directly at work, but I can use putty to ssh through the proxy to one of my home boxes and run a irss-text from there, heh |
| 00:50.11 | Buuyo^ | Sweaty feet, two linux distros thinking a bridge of ethernet cards is wireless, and a cfl bulb that takes 30 seconds to warm up. |
| 00:50.13 | dan2 | abrotman: you know if your buddy Leimy is around |
| 00:50.13 | Buuyo^ | Life is harsh. |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 00:50.18 | dan2 | abrotman: or maybe you could help me |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | dan2: i talked to him earlier today . not since then |
| 00:50.24 | Echizen | nobody uses irssi?? |
| 00:50.25 | paulswm | bye all, stay safe |
| 00:50.27 | Echizen | losers! |
| 00:50.28 | nvz | I'll work more on that factoid later.. I was trying to play bzflag and come up with a pittsburghese smite at the same time |
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| 00:50.34 | FieldySnuts | @lart Echizen |
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| 00:50.35 | Buuyo^ | Echizen I do. :) |
| 00:50.42 | paulswm | !beer FieldySnuts |
| 00:50.46 | Echizen | then do you know the answer to waht i asked? |
| 00:50.47 | dan2 | abrotman: are you still good with C++? |
| 00:50.49 | Buuyo^ | Don't version me though |
| 00:50.52 | FieldySnuts | lots of us do, just have no idea what you asked |
| 00:50.53 | Buuyo^ | because you may be disappointed |
| 00:50.54 | abrotman | dan2: not like i was 5 years ago |
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| 00:51.12 | dan2 | abrotman: I need a way for a C++ class to autodelete itself |
| 00:51.17 | dan2 | abrotman: class instance even |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | dan2: the destructor? |
| 00:51.27 | Buuyo^ | abrotman what you need is gc |
| 00:51.30 | mathieu | dan2, use a smart pointer? |
| 00:51.39 | Buuyo^ | managed C++ does it |
| 00:51.39 | green_earz | Xsquared: have a look at /usr/share/doc/cdrecord README.ATAPI.setup |
| 00:51.39 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah well, I can't call its destructor from inside the class |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | Buuyo^: i odn't need anyhting |
| 00:51.43 | Buuyo^ | check out mono |
| 00:51.45 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Probably you wanted irssi-snapshot and the one you actually got doesn't support whatever you added in the cfg file. |
| 00:51.54 | Buuyo^ | abrotman Are you sure/ |
| 00:51.55 | abrotman | dan2: a friend? |
| 00:51.57 | dan2 | mathieu: no, because I'm not using reference counting |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | Buuyo^: yes .. shut up |
| 00:52.00 | Buuyo^ | s#/## |
| 00:52.02 | dan2 | abrotman: hmm how would that work |
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| 00:52.10 | Echizen | cthulfuego: i didnt add anything to the cfg file |
| 00:52.11 | FieldySnuts | ask a programming channel? |
| 00:52.12 | abrotman | dan2: dunno .. remember .. i don't do C++ anymore |
| 00:52.17 | Echizen | this is a basic function of the program |
| 00:52.19 | gilles | i have installed shfs, but it always says "shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel" |
| 00:52.46 | cthulfuego | "now it's not overriding my unix logon anymore" |
| 00:52.47 | Zomb | gilles: then I would run modprobe shfs |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | dan2: i'm not sure it's possible at all |
| 00:52.57 | cthulfuego | Echizen: How did it know to do that? |
| 00:52.58 | Buuyo^ | autodeleting instances of classes sound like garbage collection regions to me. |
| 00:53.13 | gilles | Zomb: i did it, it says : FATAL: Module shfs not found. |
| 00:53.13 | Echizen | cuz i had to "/set username Echizen" |
| 00:53.21 | Buuyo^ | mono aside there are some cool projects for that |
| 00:53.21 | Echizen | er, had done |
| 00:53.28 | cthulfuego | Echizen: And you didn't think that ended up in the configfile? |
| 00:53.28 | Zomb | gilles: then I would install the module. RTF README.Debian in the package. |
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| 00:53.29 | Buuyo^ | I'm pretty sure they don't replace new and delete though ;p |
| 00:53.36 | Zomb | gilles: m-a a-i shfs should do it all |
| 00:53.37 | gilles | Zomb: i did it to |
| 00:53.38 | Echizen | yeah, it did |
| 00:53.48 | Zomb | gilles: did what? |
| 00:53.49 | Echizen | years ago when i first used the prog |
| 00:53.57 | Echizen | i didnt add anything new like you're saying |
| 00:54.05 | cthulfuego | Echizen: And now did you install a newer or older version? |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | dan2: i'd ask the #c people |
| 00:54.15 | Echizen | same version |
| 00:54.37 | gameover | fyi, kmix let me turn up surround and center chanels |
| 00:54.38 | gilles | Zomb: untar the shfs tar.bz2, go to /module/shfs/Linux2.6/, make, make install, modeprobe shfs |
| 00:54.52 | gilles | Zomb: did i forget something ? |
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| 00:55.30 | Zomb | gilles: yes. Use as described in README (with generated debian package) or RTFM depmod(8) |
| 00:55.31 | gilles | Zomb: (i did all that in /usr/src/) |
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| 00:56.23 | Echizen | so nothing else to say? |
| 00:56.25 | Buuyo^ | I'm sorry I hasseled you abrotman. I thought you were dan2 ;) |
| 00:56.36 | FieldySnuts | probably not, since you insulted us |
| 00:56.40 | Buuyo^ | First response came off as a "You're not worth it response" |
| 00:56.47 | gilles | Zomb: the last line of the "make install" is : "if [ -x /sbin/depmod -a "" = "/" ]; then /sbin/depmod -aq; fi", so the depmod should be done, isn't it ? |
| 00:56.56 | Buuyo^ | But I know you love me deep down. |
| 00:56.57 | cthulfuego | Echizen: No, you obviously know better. |
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| 00:57.09 | Echizen | o.o |
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| 00:57.26 | Echizen | well, if you tell me something wrong, i'm going to debate it. thats only natural |
| 00:57.27 | Zomb | gilles: no. "" is not "/" |
| 00:57.44 | ramzez | hello people |
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| 00:58.21 | ramzez | what is the best guid to learn how to create my first debian package ? Is maint-guid a good one ? (it seems to be a bit old) |
| 00:58.23 | Funbags | does anyone know what makes the "build" dir here : /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build , I am receiving a error when compiling ivtv that it doesnt exist... thanks |
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| 00:58.51 | cthulfuego | Funbags: that's a symlink to the kernel source tree, not a directory. |
| 00:59.02 | Funbags | ah |
| 00:59.09 | Funbags | brb gonna try |
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| 00:59.44 | gilles | Zomb: ok, you're right, and it works now, thanks very much and sorry for having bothered... |
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| 00:59.55 | directhex | Funbags, using nvidia-installer? |
| 01:00.21 | Funbags | cthulfuego: thanks! |
| 01:00.28 | Buuyo^ | Wow that's dangerous. |
| 01:00.32 | bob2 | Funbags: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 01:00.36 | Funbags | directhex: no ivtv |
| 01:00.36 | Buuyo^ | Someone put an open computer case on my be |
| 01:00.37 | directhex | cthulfuego, how's Ryleth this time of year? |
| 01:00.37 | Buuyo^ | d |
| 01:00.47 | Buuyo^ | Someone could lie down and ose half of the flesh on their back |
| 01:01.01 | Buuyo^ | lose* |
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| 01:01.06 | Funbags | bob2: i have that already i beleive |
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| 01:01.24 | cthulfuego | directhex: it's damned lonely without Nylarthotep. |
| 01:02.11 | Echizen | cthulfuego: so what do you mean by irssi-snapshot? |
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| 01:02.14 | directhex | cthulfuego, what's yog-sothoth up to these days? |
| 01:02.15 | m0r3 | hi |
| 01:02.15 | drac | Yog-sothoth! |
| 01:02.20 | Echizen | i tried apt-getting it and it says it doesnt exist |
| 01:02.23 | Buuyo^ | That's funny. I think I know a Nylarthotep |
| 01:02.24 | cthulfuego | Echizen: apt-cache search irssi |
| 01:02.35 | Buuyo^ | s/he helped me in dalnet #linux when we were both aoping |
| 01:02.41 | Buuyo^ | methinks |
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| 01:02.51 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: Stay away from my bitch or I'll come after you. |
| 01:02.53 | Echizen | irssi-scripts - collection of scripts for irssi |
| 01:02.53 | Echizen | irssi-text - text-mode version of the irssi IRC client |
| 01:03.02 | Echizen | nothing else that says irssi |
| 01:03.05 | drac | Echizen: get em both. |
| 01:03.08 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego I sense danger! |
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| 01:03.12 | cthulfuego | irssi-snapshot - The irssi IRC client (Development version) |
| 01:03.13 | Buuyo^ | I like a panther is hiding in the bushes |
| 01:03.21 | drac | oh |
| 01:03.30 | Buuyo^ | Hey give it back |
| 01:03.32 | Echizen | do i have to run unstable for that? |
| 01:03.33 | Buuyo^ | I was using that ;p |
| 01:03.33 | cthulfuego | Cower, brief mortal! |
| 01:03.38 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Testing |
| 01:04.00 | B|ackDayz | where can you dl debian? |
| 01:04.02 | Echizen | well thats what running |
| 01:04.07 | Buuyo^ | B|ackDayz one of the mirrors |
| 01:04.07 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: tried www.debian.org? |
| 01:04.08 | Echizen | well thats what i'm running |
| 01:04.12 | cthulfuego | grr |
| 01:04.14 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego It's not me! |
| 01:04.15 | Guerin | !find irssi-snapshot |
| 01:04.17 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'irssi-snapshot' (2 shown): irssi-snapshot ;; irssi-snapshot-dev. |
| 01:04.26 | Guerin | Echizen: clearly not. |
| 01:04.27 | cthulfuego | !info irssi-snapshot sarge |
| 01:04.38 | directhex | cthulfuego, so, what's your current touring schedule? Old Ones In The Park, etc? |
| 01:04.39 | cthulfuego | the plot thickens |
| 01:04.49 | B|ackDayz | could I get the link to one of the mirrors Buuyo^ ? |
| 01:05.03 | Buuyo^ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd |
| 01:05.07 | Buuyo^ | Take a look for yourself B|ackDayz |
| 01:05.10 | Echizen | umm |
| 01:05.12 | glick | excuse me trusted ports are from 1 to 100 right? |
| 01:05.15 | Guerin | !tell B|ackDayz about mirrors |
| 01:05.16 | glick | 101 is untrusted |
| 01:05.19 | cthulfuego | glick: 1-1024 |
| 01:05.19 | Echizen | well i am dist-upgraded yesterday |
| 01:05.19 | Buuyo^ | It was pretty easy. I clicked on "Getting Debian" |
| 01:05.25 | Echizen | pretty sure it's testing now |
| 01:05.27 | Buuyo^ | and then I clicked on make a cd set for yourself |
| 01:05.27 | Guerin | Echizen: clearly not. |
| 01:05.29 | B|ackDayz | ty |
| 01:05.33 | Echizen | i put all testing in the config |
| 01:05.36 | Buuyo^ | and there it was in front of me |
| 01:05.44 | Buuyo^ | the mystical jiglo |
| 01:05.48 | Buuyo^ | and bi-torrent |
| 01:05.55 | Guerin | Echizen: so there you have it. Testing. |
| 01:06.10 | gilles | now that "shfsmount" works, can i put it in fstab or something like that ? |
| 01:06.14 | Echizen | doesnt testing=sarge? |
| 01:06.18 | Buuyo^ | And that's a wrap. |
| 01:06.19 | Guerin | Echizen: anyway, you're obviously too clueless to run unstable, so stick with testing |
| 01:06.37 | Guerin | !releases |
| 01:06.37 | dpkg | releases are Look at http://www.debian.org/releases/ ! There is a website for a reason! |
| 01:06.39 | Echizen | Guerin: if only i could be l33t like you |
| 01:06.43 | Echizen | then |
| 01:06.43 | B|ackDayz | ty Buuyo^ n Guerin |
| 01:06.45 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Yes. Oddly, mine lists irssi-snapshot... though I may be running a sid backport. |
| 01:06.47 | Echizen | my life would be complete |
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| 01:07.09 | Guerin | Echizen: you can; all you have to do is read and google BEFORE you ask clueless questions in #debian. |
| 01:07.31 | Echizen | are there any valid questions for this channel? |
| 01:07.47 | cthulfuego | Echizen: That was one. |
| 01:07.51 | cthulfuego | Echizen: (The answer is no) |
| 01:07.53 | honkimon | can anyone help me get sound going, I just did a netinstall of sarge and usually oss just works, this time I cant figure out what to do to enable it? |
| 01:07.57 | Echizen | haha |
| 01:08.03 | Echizen | then why does the chan exist? |
| 01:08.08 | Guerin | Echizen: yes, there are. |
| 01:08.14 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Yes. |
| 01:08.18 | Guerin | !tell Echizen about sicco |
| 01:08.20 | m0r3 | how to run gnome 2.8 in sarge? |
| 01:08.23 | Echizen | only if it's a really involved question |
| 01:08.25 | Guerin | !tell Echizen about smart questions |
| 01:08.26 | cthulfuego | Echizen: #debian exists for my personal amusement. |
| 01:08.26 | directhex | m0r3, install it. |
| 01:08.29 | Echizen | only if it meets your standards |
| 01:08.44 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Many users here don't know or disagree, but there you go. |
| 01:08.48 | Guerin | Echizen: yes ... #debian has standards. |
| 01:08.48 | m0r3 | argh its all??? |
| 01:08.55 | marcheeks | m0r3: what do u mean how to run gnome... |
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| 01:09.08 | directhex | m0r3, erm... yes. apt-get install gnome |
| 01:09.14 | abrotman | !tell honkimon about sound |
| 01:09.15 | m0r3 | im running it but not 2.8 version i think |
| 01:09.18 | marcheeks | m0r3: like you would do in woody |
| 01:09.33 | livingtm | anyone have expeirence printing to samba printers? |
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| 01:09.40 | directhex | m0r3, if you're running 2.6, either you haven't updated ni 6 months, or aren';t running debian |
| 01:09.47 | marcheeks | m0r3: did you apt-get update |
| 01:10.02 | m0r3 | yes i did update upgrade dist-upgrade |
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| 01:10.16 | chealer | livingtm: you again? :) |
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| 01:10.30 | livingtm | chealer: me STILL :-p |
| 01:10.30 | marcheeks | m0r3: on a laptop i have gnome 2.8, maybe your sources.list |
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| 01:10.45 | jmstacey | what file is network configuration kept for network devices? (such as ip, gateway, netmask etc) |
| 01:10.49 | directhex | sarge uses gnome 2.8. |
| 01:10.53 | livingtm | chealer: my wife is all over me cause she wants to print something.. and here I am telling her how WONDERFUL linux is... :-) |
| 01:10.54 | directhex | !info nautilus sarge |
| 01:10.59 | dpkg | nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 845 kB, Installed size: 2740 kB |
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| 01:11.02 | chealer | lol |
| 01:11.03 | m0r3 | rgr |
| 01:11.04 | Echizen | so... any advice on how i could make irssi-snapshot availble even though i'm already running testing? |
| 01:11.06 | Guerin | jmstacey: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:11.16 | useruser | when I run xterm I get this error message: xterm: error while loading shared libraries: libXaw.so.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:11.20 | useruser | why's that? |
| 01:11.22 | Echizen | and why doesnt the regular version do that anyway? |
| 01:11.22 | Guerin | Echizen: you don't need irssi-snapshot. |
| 01:11.32 | roods | will it be difficult to do a net-install over wireless? |
| 01:11.36 | jmstacey | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:11.38 | Echizen | Guerin: then what do i need? |
| 01:11.41 | livingtm | chealer: i had some excellent help in #samba earlier, but the guy had to leave and left me hangin |
| 01:11.47 | useruser | um, forget it :) wrong path |
| 01:12.05 | m0r3 | debian:/# apt-get install gnome |
| 01:12.05 | m0r3 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 01:12.05 | m0r3 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 01:12.05 | m0r3 | gnome is already the newest version. |
| 01:12.05 | m0r3 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
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| 01:12.06 | Guerin | Echizen: you need to go and read both those documents I just sent you. |
| 01:12.19 | abrotman | and johnny carson is still dead! |
| 01:12.25 | Echizen | you didnt send me anything |
| 01:12.33 | marcheeks | what is your sources.list like |
| 01:12.35 | Guerin | Echizen: the bot did, at my request. |
| 01:12.40 | Echizen | oh |
| 01:12.48 | Echizen | you mean that |
| 01:12.54 | marcheeks | m0r3: are you sure you have sarge or testing |
| 01:13.00 | Echizen | didnt really seem to relate to waht i was asking |
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| 01:13.07 | Guerin | Echizen: read again. |
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| 01:13.30 | Echizen | smart questions |
| 01:13.35 | Echizen | wow |
| 01:13.37 | Echizen | thanx |
| 01:13.38 | Guerin | Echizen: because you haven't asked a single smart question so far, and that's why you're being called a clueless moron. |
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| 01:13.50 | fando | my scp 'lost connection' to a host, but a rando windows scp client works. why is this? |
| 01:13.54 | Echizen | i thought my first one was pretty good |
| 01:14.01 | Echizen | what was wrong with it? |
| 01:14.06 | Pumpkin_Pie | I said boom boom boom |
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| 01:14.24 | useruser | is there are gnome program like k3b? |
| 01:14.25 | cthulfuego | Pumpkin_Pie: We will NOT be quoting Venga Boys lyrics in here! |
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| 01:14.32 | travisat | I just waved my debian magic wand and installed bootsplash finally |
| 01:14.34 | m0r3 | ops lost conection lol |
| 01:14.45 | Guerin | !mhallsmite m0r3 |
| 01:14.46 | dpkg | Fuck m0r3. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 01:14.47 | Echizen | shall i repeat it for you, so you can tell me why it's so bad? |
| 01:14.50 | atnnn | édiscon |
| 01:14.54 | travisat | lucky me, and my magic wand |
| 01:15.01 | Guerin | Echizen: the only aanswer to your first question was !htfswk |
| 01:15.11 | m0r3 | lol not for fuck bud |
| 01:15.16 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: your pushy attitude has offended anyone who would possibly help you (including me), too bad for you |
| 01:15.17 | directhex | m0r3, join #flood, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:15.33 | Echizen | FieldySnuts: you guys started it |
| 01:15.40 | travisat | !congradulate travisat |
| 01:15.46 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: also remember you called us losers earlier. uh no, you started it with the losers comment. way to go, blame yourself. |
| 01:15.52 | Guerin | Echizen: /part #debian, /j #playground |
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| 01:15.57 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 01:16.03 | Echizen | FieldySnuts: lol, that was a joke dude |
| 01:16.08 | Echizen | geez |
| 01:16.11 | glick | excuse me on my router/firewall i opened up every non trusted port yet i still cant get gaim filetransfer to connect to anyone to send or recieve a file wtf? |
| 01:16.16 | FieldySnuts | shrug |
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| 01:16.26 | glick | anyone have any idea whats going on? i really need FT to work |
| 01:16.28 | Guerin | glick: you probably need to forward those ports |
| 01:16.42 | glick | Guerin: their all forwarded |
| 01:16.44 | gameover | glick try setting up DMZ |
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| 01:16.47 | verus | what can i tell apt, to make it tell me about making my debian unicoded |
| 01:16.52 | Echizen | i used to use irssi i complied myself. i switched to using the debian package instead. now it's not overriding my unix logon anymore. why is that? <<-- what is wrong with this question??? |
| 01:16.53 | mwilson | People actually USE an IM client's file transfer capability for moving warez around? |
| 01:16.54 | FieldySnuts | dmz is overkill, there's rarely a need for that |
| 01:17.01 | Guerin | glick: you're forwarding all ports <1024? |
| 01:17.09 | glick | Guerin: yeah |
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| 01:17.15 | Guerin | !htfswk |
| 01:17.16 | dpkg | How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:17.17 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: we don't even know what you're asking, aside from the fact we don't care now |
| 01:17.21 | nvz | verus: listkeys unicode, maybe |
| 01:17.22 | Buuyo^ | HTFSWK |
| 01:17.26 | Guerin | Echizen: ^^^ that is the only answer we can give you. |
| 01:17.33 | punkrockguy318 | how can I force an install on apt-get when dependencies aren't met? |
| 01:17.35 | nvz | verus: or listvals unicode |
| 01:17.38 | Shadow_7 | Is there a fix, or a way to identify what's causing gimp-2.2 v.2.2.3 to not save .xpm files? It's saying the plugin failed to save the file. |
| 01:17.39 | mwilson | glick: Why would you be forwarding ports < 1024? |
| 01:17.42 | netcrash | Hello, with apt how can i know what files a package has ? (i haven't downloaded the package yet) |
| 01:17.43 | mwilson | punkrockguy318: You don't. |
| 01:17.49 | Echizen | well i went on to say: it says f00k, my unix login, instead of what i have specified for username, Echizen |
| 01:17.50 | Buuyo^ | punkrockguy318 That's how you break stuff anyway |
| 01:17.54 | bob2 | Shadow_7: file a bug if no one else has |
| 01:17.54 | glick | mwilson: so i can get filetransfer working in gaim |
| 01:17.55 | verus | thanks |
| 01:17.55 | Shadow_7 | It reads xpm fine. And save other formats fine too. |
| 01:17.57 | Echizen | is that not enough explanation? |
| 01:17.57 | Guerin | glick: turn that off immediately, unless you've secured that box as well as your router. |
| 01:17.59 | punkrockguy318 | so you can't? there's no way? |
| 01:18.01 | nvz | netcrash: you cant |
| 01:18.08 | bob2 | punkrockguy318: you can't |
| 01:18.14 | bob2 | punkrockguy318: apt doesn't work on broken systems |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: you can .. it breaks stuff |
| 01:18.15 | mwilson | punkrockguy318: I didn't say that. I said *you* don't. |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: it's a bad bad bad idea |
| 01:18.28 | nvz | netcrash: dpkg -L package, would tell you if it were installed.. if its not use the search on packages.debian.org or something |
| 01:18.33 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, wh? |
| 01:18.34 | cthulfuego | Echizen: The irc server probably queried your identd and concluded your login was f00k |
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| 01:18.36 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, why? |
| 01:18.37 | mwilson | punkrockguy318: If you don't know how to do it, only a fool would *tell* you how to do it. |
| 01:18.38 | netcrash | nvz :S , thank you |
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| 01:18.42 | netcrash | nvz thank you |
| 01:18.46 | Echizen | ohh |
| 01:18.47 | Guerin | glick: why don't you figure out which port gaim needs to transfer over? Hint: unless you run it as root, it's not <1024 |
| 01:18.47 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: why do you think? |
| 01:18.50 | Buuyo^ | mwilson I'd gladly tell him if I knew. |
| 01:18.52 | Echizen | that could be it... |
| 01:18.53 | nvz | netcrash: no worries. |
| 01:18.59 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, it's for a trivial package |
| 01:19.00 | Buuyo^ | But it's not because I'm foolish |
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| 01:19.04 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, just mplayer |
| 01:19.04 | Buuyo^ | it's because I'm helpful :) |
| 01:19.07 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: if a 3/8" wrench doesn't fit .. should you force it? |
| 01:19.10 | glick | if every port is open it should work |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | use your fucking head |
| 01:19.14 | glick | but it doesnt even work |
| 01:19.19 | mwilson | Buuyo^: No one here is interested in helping him to break his box. |
| 01:19.24 | mithro | how do i get dpkg to regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/avalible ? |
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| 01:19.28 | bob2 | abrotman: chilllllllll |
| 01:19.28 | gameover | anyone know anything fun to apt-get install? |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | Buuyo^: you're still on ubuntu? |
| 01:19.33 | bob2 | mithro: 'dselect update' |
| 01:19.34 | Guerin | glick: 0-1024 is a far cry from "every port" |
| 01:19.36 | cthulfuego | Guerin: moo |
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| 01:19.39 | cthulfuego | grr |
| 01:19.39 | Buuyo^ | abrotman I'm just giving it a trial run. |
| 01:19.40 | bob2 | gameover: frozen-bubble |
| 01:19.42 | mwilson | Buuyo^: He's just be right back whining about why apt-get wouldn't "let" him install anything. |
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| 01:19.45 | cthulfuego | gameover: moo |
| 01:19.48 | Buuyo^ | abrotman Someone told me it was good. I'm not particularly impressed. |
| 01:19.52 | glick | Guerin: i have every port > 1024 open |
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| 01:20.03 | travisat | !congratulate bob2 |
| 01:20.04 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies bob2, you did it! |
| 01:20.05 | mwilson | mithro: You don't. You use dselect. |
| 01:20.09 | xp1o1d5 | Hey can someone help me with partioning |
| 01:20.11 | mithro | thanks |
| 01:20.12 | m0r3 | its done in #flood |
| 01:20.14 | bob2 | travisat: hrm? |
| 01:20.19 | travisat | hrm? |
| 01:20.31 | mithro | i would have though that an apt-get update would have done it for me? |
| 01:20.32 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, why doesn't it say anything about forcing in man apt-get? |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | hugs and puppies? |
| 01:20.33 | Buuyo^ | the kicker is that I took down a perfectly good box to find out it's so much debian without the guis |
| 01:20.34 | FieldySnuts | it's amusing how people seem to think that once something is pasted in #flood you can join after the fact and see it |
| 01:20.37 | travisat | sorry me go hide away |
| 01:20.37 | Buuyo^ | that it's not worth touching |
| 01:20.39 | bob2 | mithro: no |
| 01:20.49 | bob2 | mithro: it's a legacy file which should just go away |
| 01:20.58 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: this is why I make people put stuff on the web |
| 01:20.59 | WiFiTux | Can someone tell me if there is a way to change the Sid remote desktop key to login? I think it´s like VNC... |
| 01:20.59 | Shadow_7 | this bug/feature was also present in v.2.2.2 |
| 01:21.00 | Buuyo^ | But that's okay. In the process I got my network to work again. (It was the ISP's fault.) |
| 01:21.02 | mwilson | Buuyo^: That's your own fault. |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: apt-get won't do it |
| 01:21.14 | xp1o1d5 | I have debian installed and i need to install a windows partition for some gaming but i aint sure how to go about that with out windows overwriting my boot records |
| 01:21.18 | Buuyo^ | mwilson I'm not blaming anyone except for my ISP. :) |
| 01:21.18 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, then what will? |
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| 01:21.23 | Echizen | cthulfuego: could you please tell me how to turn of identd or change the nick it uses? |
| 01:21.33 | Shadow_7 | I'm just wondering if I'm missing a lib or something. I keep reading about an xpm vulnerability dated Sept. 2004. |
| 01:21.37 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Yes, it was. If it's important to you, what bug number is your filing about it? |
| 01:21.38 | cthulfuego | Echizen: No, I'm sorry. |
| 01:21.48 | Guerin | xp1o1d5: it WILL overwrite your boot records. You'll have to boot to a *nix rescue disk and rewrite them. |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: why don't you fix the problem before you force it .. and break debian .. and then call debian a big broken piece of shit |
| 01:21.59 | Echizen | hrmmm |
| 01:22.00 | Guerin | Echizen: man inetd |
| 01:22.07 | xp1o1d5 | ye ahow would i rewrite them |
| 01:22.12 | Buuyo^ | I like this channel. :) |
| 01:22.14 | xp1o1d5 | with what? |
| 01:22.16 | Echizen | Guerin: man works in irssi?? |
| 01:22.22 | Guerin | abrotman: well, he IS a PunkRockGuy! |
| 01:22.30 | Buuyo^ | meh |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | Guerin: i guess |
| 01:22.32 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, yeah |
| 01:22.32 | chealer | gameover: supertux |
| 01:22.33 | Buuyo^ | maybe I like a few people in this channel |
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| 01:22.38 | Guerin | Echizen: yes and no... there are better ways of using it. |
| 01:22.38 | Buuyo^ | ANYWAY |
| 01:22.48 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, and then i can write songs about how much i freaking hate debian becauase it borked my system |
| 01:22.49 | mithro | anyone know why i would be loosing data when my computer crashes? |
| 01:22.49 | Buuyo^ | Time to get back to the garbage-collected C++ code (Yes! __gc is your friend.) |
| 01:22.54 | FieldySnuts | @moron Echizen |
| 01:22.56 | ravenbird | Echizen: You are moron #34 |
| 01:22.59 | bob2 | mithro: that will always happen |
| 01:23.00 | cthulfuego | Shadow_7: apt-get install reportbug; reportbug <package> |
| 01:23.03 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: when it was actually your fault in the first place. Nice. |
| 01:23.05 | bob2 | mithro: don't let it crash |
| 01:23.14 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, yeah, aren't all emo songs like that? |
| 01:23.15 | mithro | the files just get filled with ^@'s |
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| 01:23.24 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Yes, after all, typing "reportbug name_of_package" is so *terribly* hard to figure out. |
| 01:23.25 | Guerin | emo? Punk is not emo. |
| 01:23.30 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: If you didn't use C++ there would not be garbage code. |
| 01:23.33 | Guerin | well, maybe it is these days |
| 01:23.38 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, nowadays |
| 01:23.41 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Another one who has no business running unstable, huh? |
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| 01:23.52 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego __gc = garbage collect. My runtime environment handles the garbage for me. :) |
| 01:23.54 | Shadow_7 | it is if you don't know reportbug exists because you've never used it. |
| 01:23.55 | mlalkaka | hi all |
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| 01:23.57 | mithro | yet if i run "while true; do sync ; sleep 5; done" i don't seem to loose any data |
| 01:23.59 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, they're barely any real punk band around... that emo thing is the new fad |
| 01:24.03 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: that stuff you're talking about isn't punk - it's pop with safety pins. |
| 01:24.05 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: No, I'm implying C++ == garbage |
| 01:24.08 | Nwallins | how do i generate a .config file for my kernel-source? |
| 01:24.12 | maher | mithro: why does your computer crash |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | Nwallins: make menuconfig |
| 01:24.19 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, i agree :-P |
| 01:24.19 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego I see. Do you like oo? |
| 01:24.20 | maher | Nwallins: make menuconfig |
| 01:24.20 | mlalkaka | if i want to install something from source, what is the recommended prefix? "/usr/local" ? |
| 01:24.23 | Nwallins | abrotman: thx |
| 01:24.26 | cthulfuego | make randomconfig |
| 01:24.28 | FieldySnuts | Nwallins: easiest way is gzcat /proc/config.gz > .config , but if you don't have that I dunno |
| 01:24.31 | bbrazil | mlalkaka: yip |
| 01:24.36 | Buuyo^ | I like C#. :) |
| 01:24.43 | maher | mlalkaka: if you can make a deb do that |
| 01:24.44 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, black flag choking victim and operation ivy! now that's the stuff |
| 01:24.44 | Buuyo^ | But only more than C++ sometimes. |
| 01:24.44 | mlalkaka | bbrazil, isn't that where .deb packages are installed? |
| 01:24.44 | travisat | cthulfuego rofl |
| 01:24.46 | Echizen | Guerin: i am talking about identd in irc, no inetd in linux |
| 01:24.51 | mithro | maher: well it doesn't often, it's normally something like a power failure or similar |
| 01:24.57 | bbrazil | mlalkaka: no, they go in / |
| 01:25.05 | cthulfuego | Echizen: So is guerin, believe it or not. |
| 01:25.05 | mlalkaka | k thnx |
| 01:25.07 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: like I said, he doesn't know how to ask smart questions. |
| 01:25.08 | Nwallins | FieldySnuts: interesting.. i've done make menuconfig before.. thx |
| 01:25.09 | maher | mithro: buy a ups - what filesystem are you using? |
| 01:25.11 | mithro | it's like the kernel isn't flushing back to the disk very often |
| 01:25.16 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: looking at the man in the mirror again? Just because I've never filed a bugreport doesn't mean I haven't successfully used sid for years now. |
| 01:25.22 | cthulfuego | Echizen: See, inet is run from inetd. |
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| 01:25.32 | mithro | i'm running XFS after trying reiserfs and getting massive filesystem corruption |
| 01:25.34 | cthulfuego | Echizen: identd is run from inetd, even. |
| 01:25.39 | Echizen | ooooooh |
| 01:25.43 | bob2 | mithro: don't let the machine crash |
| 01:25.44 | cthulfuego | mithro: Hint: ext3 |
| 01:25.44 | Echizen | interesting |
| 01:25.45 | Buuyo^ | BTNode(BTNode<KeyNameType,KeyDataType,TreeOrder> *parentNode,std::list<BTKey<KeyNameType,KeyDataType> >& keys); |
| 01:25.48 | Buuyo^ | You know you're in trouble when... |
| 01:25.49 | Echizen | why can you guys just say that :P |
| 01:25.55 | bob2 | mithro: also, xfs in 2.6.8 is screwed |
| 01:26.10 | punkrockguy318 | but oh yes, back to my question... how you do force a package install? just curious.... |
| 01:26.15 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: dead kennedys was the best of the US punk |
| 01:26.19 | maher | mithro: i run ext3 and have never had any data loss on power outages |
| 01:26.22 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Why can't you just check inetd.conf like guerin suggested you do and LEARN something. |
| 01:26.23 | mithro | i'm running 2.6.9 |
| 01:26.27 | maher | mithro: ymmv |
| 01:26.28 | bob2 | punkrockguy318: you don't |
| 01:26.32 | bob2 | punkrockguy318: you fix the package |
| 01:26.39 | Echizen | i am _now_ |
| 01:26.39 | mithro | ymmv? |
| 01:26.40 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: apt-get -f install |
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| 01:26.45 | Buuyo^ | maher I have a buddy who runs a data server on linux. He gets mad throughput. ext3 breaks for him. |
| 01:26.51 | Guerin | Echizen: keep digging. |
| 01:26.52 | Buuyo^ | He uses xfs because it doesn't. Ironic huh? |
| 01:26.54 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, ah yeah... the other kid in my band is a big fan of them... plays them all the time... he's all about zeppelin and dead kennedies |
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| 01:27.13 | Nwallins | make menuconfig tells me to install ncurses-devel, which isn't found by apt-cache search |
| 01:27.15 | bob2 | Buuyo^: where in the kernel bugzilla is your friend's report? |
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| 01:27.25 | maher | Buuyo^: yeah - different people have different issues - my laptop needs to write to disc several times a minute i bet... |
| 01:27.32 | toresbe | banner and matrix printers with tractorfeed paper are good friends |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | Guerin: agreed |
| 01:27.44 | bob2 | Nwallins: install build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 01:27.48 | Buuyo^ | bob2 Probably nowhere. He doesn't have time to troubleshoot it. :) |
| 01:27.54 | Buuyo^ | I've never broken ext3 like that before myself. |
| 01:27.58 | Nwallins | bob2: thanks |
| 01:27.59 | Guerin | abrotman: give me convenience or give me death is one of my all-time favrite records :) |
| 01:28.01 | abrotman | Guerin: exploited? |
| 01:28.08 | FieldySnuts | xfs breaks quite easily if the system it's on loses power |
| 01:28.13 | _blue | hello, where can i find ROMS for my N64 Emulator in Linux? |
| 01:28.15 | bob2 | yeah |
| 01:28.17 | mithro | is there a way to get the kernel to increase it's agressiveness in flushing disk buffers? |
| 01:28.17 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts *if* |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you keep saying that .. what proof do you have? :) |
| 01:28.22 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Someone who doesn't even know what the BTS is has no business running unstable. 'Nuff said. |
| 01:28.22 | bob2 | _blue: this is off-topic, please go away |
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| 01:28.27 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts UPS + backup generators = powah! |
| 01:28.31 | punkrockguy318 | _blue, this isn't the right channel to be asking |
| 01:28.36 | FieldySnuts | good, most people don't know that |
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| 01:28.41 | toresbe | _blue: We are not warez bots. |
| 01:28.44 | wye | hi all |
| 01:28.51 | toresbe | _blue: do your !list somewhere else |
| 01:28.57 | _blue | lol... |
| 01:29.03 | Buuyo^ | Are there xdcc warez bots here or something? |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | no .. really .. leave |
| 01:29.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper |
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| 01:29.07 | Buuyo^ | That'd be awesome. |
| 01:29.19 | wye | there is some soft to ear the radio by internet? |
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| 01:29.21 | Echizen | ok, i see where i could turn that off in the inetd.conf. i also looked at the identd.conf and couldnt see where to change the username. is it possible to change the username? i dunno much about identd... |
| 01:29.24 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, You can't forget Bad Religion... they're still going strong |
| 01:29.25 | debian | Why was I be thrown to #debian-overthrow? |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | too many joins in a period of time |
| 01:29.47 | maher | debian: to join a secret plot to overthrow debian |
| 01:29.48 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: just because I don't how to use the system doesn't mean I don't know what it is. |
| 01:29.48 | Guerin | abrotman: the exploites aren't US |
| 01:29.54 | abrotman | english i guess |
| 01:29.55 | Guerin | exploited |
| 01:29.55 | Buuyo^ | I use an identd that spits out random stuff when it really matters |
| 01:29.55 | FieldySnuts | i got that earlier for abut 20 minutes solid, annoying |
| 01:30.02 | simcop2387-vnc | what do i need to ask dpkg about for changing kernels? |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | Guerin: i couldn't remember |
| 01:30.05 | Buuyo^ | i.e., when I'm on undernet :) |
| 01:30.11 | debian | abrotman: well, that was the funky system force me to rejoin. :( |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | debian: i didn't make it |
| 01:30.30 | debian | meher: that was what I worried about - joining a channel against ME?! :P |
| 01:30.33 | Buuyo^ | I got #debian-overflow when I joined as root@myhostname |
| 01:30.40 | Buuyo^ | Then I got banned |
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| 01:30.49 | Buuyo^ | at least, root@* got banned |
| 01:30.51 | Echizen | ah |
| 01:30.55 | Echizen | found the answer |
| 01:30.56 | debian | abrotman: shit I was trying to sue you for this. :) |
| 01:31.01 | Echizen | in man identd |
| 01:31.01 | mwilson | Shadow_7: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=140815 |
| 01:31.02 | wye | nobody knows a program to ear the radio by internet? :( |
| 01:31.04 | Echizen | yays! |
| 01:31.10 | maher | debian: maybe godel's a fellow conspirator |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | debian: i'm rubber and you're glue :) |
| 01:31.15 | Buuyo^ | wye What kind of radio? :) |
| 01:31.18 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: yeah, I actually think Brett whatsisname is a better businessman than musician |
| 01:31.20 | Buuyo^ | wye You can use xmms to stream shoutcast. |
| 01:31.24 | Guerin | epitaph records owns me |
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| 01:31.26 | Echizen | you all should be proud of me! i read a man page! ... or at least part of it |
| 01:31.37 | Buuyo^ | Hell I do it |
| 01:31.40 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Which if I remember correctly was supposedly addressed in a recent libxpm upload, but as long as I'm doing your research for you, you might as well include it in your bug report. |
| 01:31.41 | Buuyo^ | but I usually stream from localhost |
| 01:31.48 | Buuyo^ | that is ripping from said shoutcast |
| 01:31.50 | Buuyo^ | <3 |
| 01:31.52 | freedom101 | are you using a program for read your log file? |
| 01:31.57 | wye | Buuyo^ some any kind of radio, i used to ear the winamp programs |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:32.04 | thd | Where is the documentation for the proper location to change MTU/MRU for dialup ppp or ppp generally? |
| 01:32.08 | Buuyo^ | wye xmms will do shoutcast. |
| 01:32.08 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: I just apt-get updated an hour ago. And it's NOT fixed. |
| 01:32.13 | glick | i dont get it, i upgraded to latest gaim, opened all non trusted ports, and i still cant get filetransfer to work for it |
| 01:32.15 | glick | wtf |
| 01:32.22 | Buuyo^ | There are a lot of shoutcast streams at shoutcast.com for your listening pleasure |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | thd: man pppd ? |
| 01:32.26 | Buuyo^ | but I wouldn't recommend most of them |
| 01:32.27 | wye | Buuyo^ nice, ill try then, thanks man ;D |
| 01:32.29 | Buuyo^ | Only a couple. |
| 01:32.31 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Did I claim it was, or did I actually make the statement that I just made? |
| 01:32.32 | Buuyo^ | Philosomatika |
| 01:32.35 | Buuyo^ | DI Chillout |
| 01:32.38 | Buuyo^ | SomaFM Drone Zone |
| 01:32.40 | Guerin | if you want interget radio, get streamtuner |
| 01:32.41 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: since you're redirecting me to a redhat site that doesn't even show content unless you accept certificates. |
| 01:32.44 | Guerin | it's the shit |
| 01:33.01 | punkrockguy318 | Guerin, heck yeah! that was the stuff right there |
| 01:33.01 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Bullshit... I'm browsing it with *links*. |
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| 01:33.22 | FieldySnuts | case of the magic id10t error |
| 01:33.22 | Buuyo^ | When you can hear Digital Witchcraft remixes you know you're on to something good. |
| 01:33.23 | Shadow_7 | I'm browsing with mozilla and it prompted for a cert |
| 01:33.25 | Echizen | it says "-u<user>". does that mean there is no space between the '-u' and the username? |
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| 01:33.36 | Echizen | that seems weird |
| 01:33.38 | Guerin | Echizen: suck it and see |
| 01:33.41 | Buuyo^ | Echizen With getopt it doesn't even matter. |
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| 01:34.00 | debian | FieldySnuts: it was ID-10-T, you incensitive clod. :) |
| 01:34.03 | mwilson | Gee, here's the Google version, since you can't find it for yourself: http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:wC6zz4Q8mzIJ:https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D140815+gimp+%22plug-in+could+not+save+image%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 01:34.23 | wye | hehe ok Buuyo^ ill see ;) thanks again |
| 01:34.30 | Buuyo^ | np |
| 01:34.35 | debian | if you get a firefox extension it can help you convert any link to google cache. It that makes you happier. :) |
| 01:34.39 | Buuyo^ | Long live phrack btw |
| 01:34.45 | Buuyo^ | even though it's been dead since the latest management |
| 01:34.46 | Buuyo^ | imho |
| 01:35.00 | debian | Buuyo^: what happen to it? |
| 01:35.18 | Buuyo^ | This upcoming issue is the last |
| 01:35.18 | debian | Buuyo^: being good eventually? :) |
| 01:35.18 | Buuyo^ | dude |
| 01:35.18 | Guerin | debian: someone set it up the bomb |
| 01:35.27 | Guerin | like, y'know... |
| 01:35.33 | debian | Guerin: like...? |
| 01:35.38 | Buuyo^ | it hurts when people insult phrack |
| 01:35.41 | Buuyo^ | it's down right now |
| 01:35.43 | Buuyo^ | and ppl kick it |
| 01:35.46 | Buuyo^ | it had some great stuff |
| 01:35.52 | Guerin | someone should kick Buuyo^ |
| 01:35.55 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Also see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=286164 |
| 01:35.59 | Buuyo^ | but it's not like you can have format string every issue |
| 01:36.06 | debian | !kick Buuyo^ |
| 01:36.07 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: I accepted the cert and it does nail it on the head by the looks of it. Not that it fixes it. But at least I don't have to tally through all of the .xpm security issues that prompted the bug in the first place. |
| 01:36.16 | Buuyo^ | dpkg You have a strong kick. |
| 01:36.16 | dpkg | Buuyo^: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:36.23 | livingtm | chealer: damn, finally got it.. hpijs wasnt installed |
| 01:36.35 | Buuyo^ | dpkg The hacker scene. |
| 01:36.35 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Buuyo^ |
| 01:36.46 | loke | i try to kill a pid and i cant seem to stop it? |
| 01:37.02 | Buuyo^ | loke Try sending sigkill |
| 01:37.09 | Buuyo^ | loke zombie process on th eother hand are a very linux thing. Get used to them. :) |
| 01:37.31 | Buuyo^ | loke kill -KILL or kill -9 btw |
| 01:37.34 | Buuyo^ | = SIGKILL |
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| 01:37.58 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: looks like the fix is to go from XFree86 4.3.0 to xorg |
| 01:38.00 | Buuyo^ | I have a zombie process ati multimedia center TV thing on right now |
| 01:38.03 | FieldySnuts | fun. trying to shove 24GB over rsync. over a T1. in one night. |
| 01:38.04 | loke | Buuyo^ thanks |
| 01:38.07 | FieldySnuts | don't think so |
| 01:38.12 | Buuyo^ | It sucks. I locked my screen and it totally b0rked up |
| 01:38.32 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts Sounds like someone hasn't done enough tape backups to complain. :) |
| 01:38.40 | mwilson | Shadow_7: Oh? How do you figure? Hint... I actually *read* the URL's I gave you. |
| 01:38.49 | FieldySnuts | tapes don't hold enough these days, and that wouldn't be off site backups as this is |
| 01:39.00 | FieldySnuts | after I get it all over there it'll be much faster of course due to rsync |
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| 01:39.01 | gameover | hmm theirs a package i searched for on debian.org and it shows up in stable and testing, when I "apt-get install" it it doesnt find the package |
| 01:39.03 | mwilson | Shadow_7: So I don't have to guess. |
| 01:39.07 | loke | what do i use as a client to connect to a psybnc/ |
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| 01:39.13 | Buuyo^ | Tell me about it. 6 hours a tape, and they only do 100GB compressed |
| 01:39.16 | freefall | hello,everybody! |
| 01:39.25 | Buuyo^ | ffs, you could burn double-sided dvds in an hour |
| 01:39.30 | Buuyo^ | double-sided dual-layer |
| 01:39.40 | abrotman | if they tapes do hold enough .. they cost an arm and a leg |
| 01:40.07 | freefall | I am a little new here.I am wondering how to use HP LaserJet 6L Pro Printer on my Debian? |
| 01:40.08 | xam | Buuyo: haven't seen those (to buy) yet |
| 01:40.09 | Buuyo^ | debian I'd love your tape drive. |
| 01:40.15 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: My local university uses 300GB tapes |
| 01:40.20 | Buuyo^ | xam I dunno about double-sided, but dual layer ones do sell. |
| 01:40.23 | FieldySnuts | toresbe: want a medal? |
| 01:40.23 | Buuyo^ | xam I saw them at best buy |
| 01:40.26 | mwilson | Message-Id: <20050121185452.AA2EF5C05D@necrotic.deadbeast.net> |
| 01:40.33 | mwilson | in debian-x |
| 01:40.34 | Buuyo^ | xam Worst case scenario, a bunch of regular dvds. |
| 01:40.35 | xam | Buuyo: I know, I have a dual-layer burner |
| 01:40.36 | maher | freefall: install cupsys - point your browser at localhost:531 |
| 01:40.42 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 01:40.47 | maher | freefall: s/531/631/ |
| 01:40.48 | FieldySnuts | tough shit :) |
| 01:40.48 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: Fixed in xorg-x11-6.8.1-12.FC3.21 erratum release for FC3. |
| 01:40.55 | FieldySnuts | fc3 heh |
| 01:40.55 | mwilson | Good for FC3. |
| 01:41.02 | Buuyo^ | xam If you're talking about double-sided burning, you don't have to burn both sides at the same time |
| 01:41.02 | MobyTurbo | freefall: www.linuxprinting.org |
| 01:41.02 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: you sure ruined my day. |
| 01:41.06 | Buuyo^ | If that's what you're getting at. :) |
| 01:41.08 | toresbe | FieldySnuts: nightey :) |
| 01:41.17 | debian | Buuyo^: I'd rather build a SAN-like storage(multiple harddrive backup system) than get a tape drive which cost three times more |
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| 01:41.24 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: or would you rather have the byte count, word count, line count of the referring URL? |
| 01:41.29 | freefall | thank all you guys.I'll give it a try right now |
| 01:41.39 | debian | Buuyo^: if I had the purchase decision, that is. :) |
| 01:41.40 | FieldySnuts | 2.3 million files too, on not so fast u160 scsi disks, takes rsync a while to index that |
| 01:41.40 | mwilson | Don't see how that says to move to xorg, since the bug reports say quite plainly it's queued for the NEXT release of xorg. |
| 01:41.43 | Buuyo^ | debhelper I'd rather buy some space in a dataprovider's place myself. |
| 01:41.46 | Buuyo^ | debian* |
| 01:41.49 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: just quoting the URL you gave me. |
| 01:41.58 | mwilson | What FC does is more or less irrelevant. |
| 01:41.59 | Buuyo^ | But that's only so that I can say that I have an asston of space to back stuff up |
| 01:42.05 | FieldySnuts | sure be nice if the local 2TB storage array wasn't a fucking windows box.. |
| 01:42.14 | debian | Buuyo^: well, read that TOC before you think you could trust those data-handler. :) |
| 01:42.14 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts You don't like ntfs? |
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| 01:42.24 | wye | Buuyo^,i was hearing the shoutcast.com + xmms, and that was exactly what i was looking for, thanks man |
| 01:42.32 | FieldySnuts | no, but even if I did, backing a linux system up to it is utterly pointless |
| 01:42.32 | Buuyo^ | wye right on |
| 01:42.38 | Buuyo^ | no kidding |
| 01:42.43 | Buuyo^ | All I need to grab is sql |
| 01:42.44 | mwilson | No, I can't count that high. |
| 01:42.45 | Buuyo^ | and user dirs |
| 01:42.47 | Buuyo^ | and that's it |
| 01:42.50 | Echizen | alright, in my inetd.conf, on the part for identd, i added after the command, "-u Echizen". i then restarted inetd, then started up irssi again, and it still shows my linux username for my username. what did i do wrong? |
| 01:42.52 | nevyn | mwilson: you need to deploy oracle |
| 01:42.56 | m0r3 | ok all night and tkx directhx i was on sarge really |
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| 01:43.00 | Buuyo^ | I could be assed before I concern myself with the base system |
| 01:43.02 | Buuyo^ | and all packages |
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| 01:43.14 | debian | Buuyo^: Most scary clause (iirc): HANDLER has the right to move COMPANY's data to external party with or without notice and/or COMPANY's permission |
| 01:43.18 | Buuyo^ | because they install in less time than it takes to make a full Windows backup. |
| 01:43.22 | mwilson | nevyn: If I needed to do that, I'd do it on Windows and the problem would be solved. |
| 01:43.34 | nevyn | mwilson: you'd run windows before FC? |
| 01:43.36 | Buuyo^ | debian Heh. Sounds bad. |
| 01:43.41 | mwilson | nevyn: Hell yes. |
| 01:43.46 | Buuyo^ | debian But I don't figure it's as dangerous as it sounds. |
| 01:43.49 | Buuyo^ | But then |
| 01:43.53 | debian | Buuyo^: and that override all piracy agreement |
| 01:43.55 | Buuyo^ | I'm not going to be the one wit my ass on the line |
| 01:44.08 | nevyn | mwilson: umm you'd run oracle on a platform without a working sync() and I thought I was brave. |
| 01:44.10 | debian | Buuyo^: well....that's not my data to get a shit of. :P |
| 01:44.16 | Echizen | i know you know! :P |
| 01:44.31 | Shadow_7 | mwilson: also apt-cache show libxpm4 shows a reference where libxpm4 has been absorbed by XFree86. So if I need a libxpm4 update that would imply and X update. |
| 01:44.35 | Nwallins | i have a makefile that can't find param.h : In file included from include/linux/module.h:10, |
| 01:44.36 | Guerin | Echizen: rtfm |
| 01:44.36 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.38 | Nwallins | include/linux/sched.h:4:37: asm/param.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:44.58 | Echizen | Guerin: i did, and i am wondering what i missed. |
| 01:44.58 | mwilson | Shadow_7: VERY good! Hence my giving you the Message-ID for the XSF commit. |
| 01:44.59 | Buuyo^ | That should come with the kernel sources shouldn't it? |
| 01:45.00 | Guerin | !tell Nwallins about search |
| 01:45.08 | Buuyo^ | And kernel headers packages and stuff |
| 01:45.24 | mwilson | nevyn: As opposed to having pretty much nothing work? |
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| 01:45.27 | Nwallins | kernel headers are not part of kernel source? |
| 01:45.34 | Echizen | Guerin: ever heard the phrase, "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"? |
| 01:45.36 | Buuyo^ | Nwallins Sometimes distros seperate them |
| 01:45.44 | Buuyo^ | Nwallins I wouldn't know too well about debian. I haven't used it enough that way. |
| 01:45.44 | Nwallins | this one in particular, eh? |
| 01:45.52 | Guerin | Echizen: rtfm IS a nice thing to say. |
| 01:45.55 | mwilson | I can't imagine being desperate enough to run FC on anything. |
| 01:46.00 | Echizen | Guerin: no it's not |
| 01:46.07 | Buuyo^ | FC = fedora? |
| 01:46.15 | Buuyo^ | I run it on an openmosix cluster somewhere. :) |
| 01:46.20 | Buuyo^ | It sucks. |
| 01:46.22 | Echizen | and which man is it you're suggesting? |
| 01:46.25 | Echizen | identd |
| 01:46.27 | Echizen | inetd |
| 01:46.30 | Guerin | Echizen: encouraging people to learn for themselves is a very 'nice' thing to do. |
| 01:46.31 | pipeline | OpenMosix sucks, while we're on the subject. |
| 01:46.37 | Buuyo^ | Yep. |
| 01:46.39 | simplet | hello, which debian version is the most stable ?? |
| 01:46.44 | Guerin | simplet: stable |
| 01:46.50 | Buuyo^ | love the answer |
| 01:46.56 | Guerin | simplet: 3.0, woody. |
| 01:46.56 | maher | simplet: unstable is the most stable, followed by stable |
| 01:47.02 | freefall | I entered http://localhost:631 and then chose 'add printer'.I dont know the location of the printer |
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| 01:47.21 | Guerin | !confuse maher |
| 01:47.22 | Buuyo^ | freefall Did you lose it in your rack somewhere? |
| 01:47.22 | dpkg | Yes, them are my mushroom today, maher? shirts of the republic of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
| 01:47.32 | bbrazil | freefall: first page is arbritaty test (name musn't contain spaces) |
| 01:47.38 | Buuyo^ | freefall You may need to talk to someone who prints there. Check the network spool and stuff |
| 01:47.39 | gilles | what is the command to get connected to a network via wifi ? |
| 01:47.44 | Buuyo^ | freefall You can find someone who knows where it is. :) |
| 01:47.45 | Buuyo^ | iwconfig |
| 01:47.47 | simplet | maher ?? |
| 01:47.57 | maher | simplet: i was making a stupid jike |
| 01:48.05 | maher | simplet: s/jike/joke/ |
| 01:48.06 | livingtm | i know this is a very simple, dumb, newbie questions.. But how do i tell how much free disk space i have? |
| 01:48.11 | Buuyo^ | df -h |
| 01:48.14 | Buuyo^ | @ livingtm |
| 01:48.17 | simplet | maher :)) |
| 01:48.20 | FieldySnuts | heh crabpaste |
| 01:48.25 | livingtm | ah thanks |
| 01:48.29 | Buuyo^ | eww seafood |
| 01:48.32 | maher | freefall: location means where is the printer - like in the office |
| 01:48.47 | Guerin | nothing wrong with seafood |
| 01:48.56 | Echizen | Guerin: so what is it i am looking for in the man page? i thought i had found the info it needed but i seem to still be missing something. how do i look for something when i dont know what i am looking for? |
| 01:48.58 | Ares607 | gilles ? what network and what card |
| 01:48.59 | Buuyo^ | Guerin There is when it threatens to kill you 50% of the time. |
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| 01:49.12 | Guerin | Buuyo^: you should threaten it back. |
| 01:49.13 | FieldySnuts | @crush Adobe |
| 01:49.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:49.21 | Buuyo^ | Guerin "I'll vomit you!" |
| 01:49.27 | Buuyo^ | "I'll shit you, you trash" |
| 01:49.33 | Buuyo^ | "I shit bigger than you." |
| 01:49.36 | Buuyo^ | etc' |
| 01:49.43 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 01:49.43 | Buuyo^ | vs "Poison. Die! Wahaha!" |
| 01:49.43 | Guerin | fugu (it's called something else here) is one of the few critters of the sea I haven't eaten |
| 01:49.49 | xam | Guerin: I'm making fugu, anybody hungry? |
| 01:50.05 | toresbe | xam: You wouldn't happen to have Parkinson's, would you? ;) |
| 01:50.14 | gilles | Ares607: i have detected a network named "gilles" on channel 11, i know the wep key, how can i get connected to it ? |
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| 01:50.16 | Guerin | xam: there are these old ladies at the market who always try to sell it to me ... I've always been too chicken. |
| 01:50.27 | Magnus- | Anyone know how to install newest ATI-drivers with debian? |
| 01:50.31 | Guerin | xam: how is it? Hard to prepare? |
| 01:50.31 | Echizen | Guerin: no response? |
| 01:50.36 | Ares607 | gilles if its a prism card i could help |
| 01:50.53 | gilles | Ares607: yes it's a prism card |
| 01:50.57 | toresbe | livingtm: In this case it probably would have yielded too many replies, but for instance, "apropos (for example) disk space" is an extremely useful command in the future |
| 01:50.58 | Ares607 | otherwise ask one of these g00r00s |
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| 01:51.02 | Buuyo^ | Magnus- Aliens! |
| 01:51.03 | directhex | Magnus-, google for 'flavio' click the top link |
| 01:51.06 | Nwallins | so, if i need the kernel source and the headers to compile some software, and it is looking in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build, do i symlink build to the source or the headers? |
| 01:51.07 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 01:51.07 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:51.09 | directhex | Buuyo^, NO. |
| 01:51.10 | Guerin | Echizen: honestly, all you're asking me to do is read and interpret the manpage for you, and I can't be arsed. Why are you trying to changee your ident output anyway? It's a wombat. |
| 01:51.14 | Ares607 | if you have wlan-ng installed? |
| 01:51.20 | gilles | ye |
| 01:51.21 | gilles | yes |
| 01:51.27 | Buuyo^ | directhex What? |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | !ati |
| 01:51.29 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 01:51.31 | Echizen | i just want it to say Echizen instead |
| 01:51.41 | FieldySnuts | @handhold Echizen |
| 01:51.47 | Ares607 | gilles: try this: wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_ifstate ifstate=enable |
| 01:51.50 | toresbe | night, for real this time |
| 01:51.51 | directhex | Buuyo^, alien on ati's rpms. bad bad bad idea |
| 01:51.53 | toresbe | *poof* |
| 01:51.59 | FieldySnuts | directhex: indeed |
| 01:52.05 | Buuyo^ | directhex I was only trying to say I was abducted. ^^; |
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| 01:52.21 | gilles | Ares607: everything works, i'm asking to connect from a friend's home |
| 01:52.35 | directhex | FieldySnuts, i wrote patches tio flavio's stuff to make amd64 debs, you get more of an insight into how messy mere alienning would be |
| 01:52.38 | Ares607 | gilles you lost me |
| 01:52.56 | xam | Guerin: in Japan, only 'masters' are allowed to prepare them. I've been told have to learn up to ten years from a master chef to become a fugu master yourself |
| 01:53.00 | FieldySnuts | directhex: oh I already knew. |
| 01:53.12 | Echizen | -u<user> Used to specify a user number or name to which the server should switch to after binding itself to the TCP/IP port and opening the kernel devices. |
| 01:53.17 | Echizen | thats what i want, right? |
| 01:53.27 | directhex | FieldySnuts, moreso on amd64, since redhat is biarch in full /usr/X11/lib64 form |
| 01:53.34 | Echizen | so i put "-u Echizen" after the command in the inetd config |
| 01:53.43 | Echizen | is that not right?? |
| 01:53.44 | gilles | Ares607: is there a command like "iwconfig eth2 channel=11 networkname=gilles wepkey=XXX" ? |
| 01:53.48 | maher | Echizen: no |
| 01:53.54 | Echizen | ok... |
| 01:54.00 | Echizen | so what am i missing? |
| 01:54.07 | Ares607 | gilles yes |
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| 01:54.18 | Ares607 | gilles you want to use wlanctl-ng tho |
| 01:54.28 | Guerin | xam: in korea they're just prepared by old ladies at the fish market |
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| 01:54.47 | Ares607 | gilles try this: wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid=foo authtype=foo |
| 01:54.51 | Buuyo^ | korea has some good stuff |
| 01:54.54 | Buuyo^ | like kRo |
| 01:54.54 | Guerin | xam: you buy them gutted and whole, sso I guess the rest of the prep can't be too hard :) |
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| 01:54.57 | Buuyo^ | and magnacarta |
| 01:54.59 | Buuyo^ | <3 |
| 01:55.01 | Ares607 | gilles obviously foo=your own shit |
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| 01:55.13 | gameover | what is the official apt.sorces list for debian, i got kernel.org and its missing out |
| 01:55.21 | xam | Guerin: mhh, I think that explains why you don't know anybody alive that call tell you how fugu tastes like ;) |
| 01:55.23 | Guerin | gameover: use apt-setup |
| 01:55.26 | directhex | gameover, type apt-setup |
| 01:55.30 | Guerin | xam: heh. |
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| 01:55.30 | simplet | Guerin : where can i download the woody version ?? not find from where ! |
| 01:55.38 | Ares607 | gilles try 'wlanctl-ng commands' |
| 01:55.47 | Guerin | simplet: debian.org/releases/woody/ |
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| 01:56.02 | Buuyo^ | Is there a celebrity for debian like there is for linux, or Windows? |
| 01:56.22 | maher | Buuyo^: Our Leader |
| 01:56.27 | simplet | Guerin thx :)) |
| 01:56.27 | Buuyo^ | God? |
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| 01:56.40 | Buuyo^ | I was thinking more human |
| 01:56.50 | Guerin | Buuyo^: Overfiend. |
| 01:56.53 | Echizen | could someone please tell me what i am doing wrong. i really dont know where to look. |
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| 01:57.05 | Buuyo^ | And here I was thinking it was me. |
| 01:57.14 | gilles | Ares607: i don't have this command |
| 01:57.15 | bucky | Buuyo^, debian is not a cult |
| 01:57.16 | Buuyo^ | What a wakeup call |
| 01:57.23 | Buuyo^ | bucky Neither is Windows. |
| 01:57.31 | Ares607 | gilles you dont have wlan-ng? |
| 01:57.43 | nevyn | nah windows is an addiction. |
| 01:57.45 | Buuyo^ | bucky Neither is golf. But I still look up to tiger ;p |
| 01:57.55 | Guerin | xam: http://dorkyme.pitas.com/16_08_2003.html |
| 01:58.02 | Nwallins | Ares607: is it tough to get wlan-ng installed on sarge 2.6? |
| 01:58.08 | caiqian | Echizen: what's the problem there? |
| 01:58.12 | gilles | Ares607: no, i don't (and i'm connected using the wifi card right now) |
| 01:58.21 | Ares607 | gilles try asking somebody about hostAP then, you might have that, its the prism 'other' |
| 01:58.24 | Buuyo^ | To tell you the truth I don't look up to linus torvalds much either. :| |
| 01:58.25 | Buuyo^ | Hmm |
| 01:58.55 | netcrash | I'm using putty over an ssh connection to debian and when trying to do loadkeys pt-latin1 I get "couldn't get a file descriptor refering to the console" , why this happens ? |
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| 01:59.17 | Ares607 | Nwallins: apt-get?? |
| 01:59.24 | gilles | I just need a command that can get my computer connected to the servers that iwlist has detected |
| 01:59.32 | Nwallins | Ares607: i only see a package for 2.4.27 |
| 01:59.39 | bbrazil | netcrash: because loadkeys is for a keybaord attached via ps/2 or usb? |
| 01:59.43 | xam | Guerin ;) |
| 01:59.43 | cthulfuego | netcrash: You're not on the console. |
| 01:59.44 | Buuyo^ | Someone's talking about me behind my back |
| 01:59.47 | Buuyo^ | I'm sneezing like crazy |
| 01:59.52 | netcrash | bbrazil ups |
| 01:59.53 | Buuyo^ | Just out of nowhere. |
| 02:00.05 | cthulfuego | netcrash: if you want a different keymap, configure putty. |
| 02:00.06 | Ares607 | Nwallins i dont know then |
| 02:00.06 | Echizen | caiqian: i have identd running with inetd. i want to change the username it uses. i put "-u Echizen" after the command in the identd.conf and restarted inetd. still it's just using my linux name. any ideas? |
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| 02:00.33 | abrotman | ~tell weems about root |
| 02:00.34 | netcrash | Thank you. I'm going to look into that. |
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| 02:00.37 | mwilson | Echizen: Does whatever identd you're using support such a command-line option? |
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| 02:00.50 | Echizen | mwilson: good question :P |
| 02:00.52 | Nwallins | Ares607: oh wait.. those are the kernel modules.. does 2.6 have support built in? |
| 02:00.54 | Echizen | i dunno |
| 02:00.57 | cthulfuego | mwilson: Ues, it probably specifies which shell account to run ident under. |
| 02:00.58 | Echizen | the one thats in testing |
| 02:01.08 | bbrazil | Echizen: have you considered creating a new user and ircing as them? has additional security benefits too... |
| 02:01.13 | cthulfuego | Echizen: install midentd or pidentd, configure them. |
| 02:01.14 | Ares607 | Nwallins i did a HDinstall of DSL, im not as yet real familiar |
| 02:01.23 | Echizen | i see that option in the man page so i assume it supports it |
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| 02:01.31 | Ares607 | Nwallins just know how mine works.. |
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| 02:01.56 | Echizen | cthulfuego: ok... |
| 02:02.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blaireau JFK Airport |
| 02:02.03 | karamelos | how can I use xinelib from a terminal, if that is possible? |
| 02:02.05 | Echizen | so it wont do it otherwise? |
| 02:02.05 | ravenbird | JFK Airport: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:02.26 | karamelos | I mean, I want to view a video without loging into gnome or kde. |
| 02:02.52 | FieldySnuts | startx command-to-view-video maybe |
| 02:02.54 | cthulfuego | karamelos: via aalib or some framebuffer driver. |
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| 02:03.05 | bbrazil | karamelos: I know that mplayer wil do svga on a console |
| 02:03.12 | maher | Echizen: -u refers to the user the server is running as, not the info it gives out |
| 02:03.21 | Echizen | oh |
| 02:03.30 | Echizen | and you wait till NOW to tell me :P |
| 02:03.33 | glick | hey does anyone know an easy way to share files with windows and mac users |
| 02:03.37 | glick | apparently gaim is gay |
| 02:03.47 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 02:04.02 | netcrash | I have debian correctly set up. Can it be something on the linux side, the problem is that it's not placing the é accents . |
| 02:04.04 | cthulfuego | Echizen: *YOU* were the one reading the man page. |
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| 02:04.07 | bbrazil | glick: ftp? smb? apache? |
| 02:04.18 | abrotman | !tell glick about gay |
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| 02:04.23 | FieldySnuts | haha abrotman |
| 02:04.24 | glick | bbrazil: no i need a way to be like im gonna send you a file |
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| 02:04.44 | cthulfuego | glick: ftp/ssh/http |
| 02:04.49 | KimHansen | glick: email |
| 02:04.50 | Echizen | oh well, fuck it. i'm just gonna not run identd |
| 02:04.51 | bbrazil | glick: dcc with irc??? |
| 02:04.51 | FieldySnuts | have somebody set up an ftp server, or better yet sftp or scp over ssh |
| 02:04.54 | cthulfuego | glick: samba, appletalk |
| 02:04.55 | Echizen | too much trouble |
| 02:04.57 | glick | what window users have machines that accept ssh connections? |
| 02:05.07 | FieldySnuts | have them log into YOU and GET the file |
| 02:05.13 | bbrazil | glick: cygwin does it apparently |
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| 02:05.25 | FieldySnuts | same people who make putty make a windows sftp and scp client |
| 02:05.28 | glick | the easiest solution would be just for gaim to work |
| 02:05.29 | cthulfuego | glick: Dunno, by any mac running any OSX version does. |
| 02:05.32 | glick | but i cant get it to work |
| 02:05.33 | FieldySnuts | command line but they can figure it out |
| 02:05.35 | myren | is there a way i can open a gnome file browser without the gnome desktop starting? |
| 02:05.41 | FieldySnuts | gaim is well known to suck, no surprise. tell #gaimn |
| 02:05.44 | FieldySnuts | s/mn/m/ |
| 02:05.48 | glick | i turned off my firewall and forwared almost every port |
| 02:05.48 | myren | i just want, i dunno, nautilus or something to browse the gnomevfs |
| 02:05.56 | glick | but it still doesnt work to send and recieve files |
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| 02:06.03 | cthulfuego | glick: The trick is to use the USEFUL operating system to host the file and fetch it using a client on the USELESS os. |
| 02:06.07 | FieldySnuts | welp we spit out ideas, but i guess you don't want them |
| 02:06.26 | cthulfuego | glick: it's a messenger application, not a file server. |
| 02:06.36 | TheTom | myren: nautilus ? |
| 02:06.36 | KimHansen | glick: It worked for me the other day, I think you have misconfigured your firewall |
| 02:06.44 | glick | its usefull to want to send a file to someone |
| 02:06.53 | glick | KimHansen: my firewall is off] |
| 02:07.02 | cthulfuego | glick: Apparently it can't, so it's not that useful. |
| 02:07.21 | cthulfuego | or you can't, so maybe you're not useful ;-) |
| 02:07.35 | FieldySnuts | make a temporary account for them. have them fetch it via ssh, using scp or sftp (google for putty scp) |
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| 02:07.50 | FieldySnuts | and it'll be done |
| 02:08.24 | FieldySnuts | i also realize you're working with a windows user, and they're idiots, so that's the biggest problem, good luck |
| 02:08.31 | glick | the person i want to send the file too doesnt know shit about putty |
| 02:08.32 | glick | or ssh |
| 02:08.39 | bbrazil | then use smb |
| 02:08.42 | FieldySnuts | ok well we gave our ideas, screw it |
| 02:08.47 | myren | TheTom: nautilus starts the whole fraking gnome desktop |
| 02:08.48 | cthulfuego | glick: So put the file on a web server and give them the url. |
| 02:08.54 | FieldySnuts | friends don't let friends interract with windows users |
| 02:08.58 | KimHansen | if you have to send the file then upload to a webserver and send a link |
| 02:08.58 | bbrazil | combine with irc/gaim or similar to interact with them |
| 02:09.07 | TheTom | myren: oh. well, use another fm then ? |
| 02:09.09 | glick | why cant i just get gaim to work? |
| 02:09.14 | glick | that would be the ideal solution |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | #gaim ? |
| 02:09.19 | TheTom | gentoo file manager is nice |
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| 02:09.30 | TheAsp | TheTom: ex amiga user? |
| 02:09.33 | cthulfuego | TheAsp: Wrong channel. |
| 02:09.34 | cat | i got a question can i installed win on my other hd i have one as master and slave? is it possible? |
| 02:09.38 | cthulfuego | grr! |
| 02:09.41 | cthulfuego | !grr |
| 02:09.46 | TheAsp | heh |
| 02:09.55 | cat | and i have grub |
| 02:09.55 | TheTom | TheAsp: not really. but i do like the look :) |
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| 02:09.56 | cthulfuego | I need to kill irssi or something, it's been doing that all day. |
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| 02:10.22 | TheAsp | cthulfuego: the filemanager had the name before the dist :) |
| 02:10.23 | netsplit | !u |
| 02:10.23 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:10.25 | Echizen | i guess thanx to cthulfuego, i guess you helped me |
| 02:10.25 | FieldySnuts | glick: gaim is a peice of shit and you're not going to get it to do what you want, get past that. |
| 02:10.26 | honkimon | what do I need to install to be able to use the 'locate' command? |
| 02:10.34 | Echizen | Guerin: you can suck my balls |
| 02:10.35 | caiqian | cat: sure. You can change your BIOS to choose boot which one |
| 02:10.42 | FieldySnuts | glick: use my suggestion, or somebdy elses, or just don't do it and quit whining |
| 02:10.44 | FieldySnuts | @fuck Echizen |
| 02:10.47 | bbrazil | honkimon: findutils |
| 02:10.53 | Echizen | @fuck FieldySnuts |
| 02:10.55 | honkimon | thx bbrazil |
| 02:10.57 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 02:10.58 | clueless | I installed debian wtih root partition too small. I already moved /usr, /var, /home, and /root using 'find <stuff> -xdev | cpio -pvmd <target>'. Now I want to move other stuffs on root to a bigger partition. I know I can use prev cmd to move something lile /bin, but can I use it on /dev or /proc? |
| 02:10.59 | Echizen | omg wow! |
| 02:11.05 | KimHansen | honkimon: or slocate |
| 02:11.06 | Echizen | how cool! |
| 02:11.12 | bbrazil | honkimon: you'll want to manually init the database if you want to use it immediatly |
| 02:11.23 | Guerin | Echizen: send them to me in a box and I'll consider it |
| 02:11.30 | Echizen | haha |
| 02:11.31 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: haha |
| 02:11.37 | bbrazil | clueless: don't move /dev or /proc |
| 02:11.39 | glick | and what do i do if someone wants to send me a file? |
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| 02:11.48 | FieldySnuts | WE TOLD YOU 5 OR 29 TIMES ALREADY |
| 02:11.49 | Echizen | seriously dude, if you get off on telling people to read the man page on irc... |
| 02:11.50 | glick | if i need to retrieve a file from a windows or a mac user? |
| 02:11.50 | Guerin | mmm, tard oysters |
| 02:12.27 | cthulfuego | clueless: Also don't move /bin, /sbin or /lib |
| 02:12.38 | netsplit | !y |
| 02:12.39 | dpkg | i guess y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 02:12.51 | netsplit | !any1 |
| 02:12.51 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 02:12.53 | honkimon | what do you mean by manually edit the init database? |
| 02:12.59 | cthulfuego | glick: Tell them to email it to you. |
| 02:13.01 | honkimon | to use locate? |
| 02:13.02 | bbrazil | clueless: you can move /boot - but be very careful (its tiny anyway) |
| 02:13.04 | Echizen | oh btw everyone, if you are not exactly as smart as Guerin or more, you are retarded. no exceptions. |
| 02:13.06 | nevyn | sigh.. y |
| 02:13.07 | Guerin | Echizen: you dumb motherfucker.If you get off on asking complete strangers to RTFM FOR YOU, and then get pissy when they tell you to do it yourself... |
| 02:13.08 | KimHansen | clueless: How small is your /-partition ? |
| 02:13.08 | glick | cthulfuego: whats if its a large file |
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| 02:13.10 | clueless | Is there a way to expand a partition |
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| 02:13.13 | glick | these arnt solutions |
| 02:13.22 | abrotman | Echizen: but i'm smarter than guerin .. what does that mean? |
| 02:13.24 | cthulfuego | glick: Put it on a cd and mail it. |
| 02:13.26 | clueless | in place'??? It's ext3 fs. |
| 02:13.28 | Guerin | abrotman: not much. |
| 02:13.31 | netsplit | Does anyone remember the URL to this long article about why not to use "y", and "u", "r" etc? |
| 02:13.32 | simplet | Guerin : there is two much files can u tell me which file i have to download ? |
| 02:13.35 | Echizen | abrotman: it means you're retarded |
| 02:13.37 | glick | cthulfuego: great freaking solution |
| 02:13.39 | bbrazil | clueless: ext2resize |
| 02:13.43 | Guerin | simplet: for what? |
| 02:13.47 | cthulfuego | glick: Works for millions of people every day. |
| 02:13.49 | abrotman | netcrash: i can sum it up .. makes you look retarded |
| 02:13.49 | bbrazil | clueless: or something like that |
| 02:13.52 | Echizen | if it's something he knows, it's not worth answering |
| 02:13.54 | abrotman | Echizen: oh .. |
| 02:13.58 | glick | cthulfuego: im not fucking paying for broadband for nothing |
| 02:14.04 | simplet | Guerin debian woody download |
| 02:14.04 | clueless | KimHansen: about 500 meg |
| 02:14.17 | MrKeuner | what is the proper way of having only alsa support on a debian box? How can I completely get rid of OSS if I can? |
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| 02:14.30 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: fully agree with Guerin on that last one. |
| 02:14.34 | cthulfuego | glick: Or maybe you did, seeing as you're unable to configure a piece of software. |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | MrKeuner: have modules.conf not load it |
| 02:14.43 | AlexW | can somebody point me to the latest and stable isos |
| 02:14.43 | AlexW | http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian-cd/ |
| 02:14.44 | AlexW | ? |
| 02:14.47 | AlexW | in that mirro |
| 02:14.53 | Echizen | well, i am at work with nothing to do |
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| 02:14.59 | FieldySnuts | we can tell |
| 02:15.00 | KimHansen | clueless: Then you should have enough space for /lib /bin and /sbin |
| 02:15.02 | nevyn | AlexW: what is this for? |
| 02:15.02 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Are those woody 3.0r4 isos? |
| 02:15.10 | caiqian | MrKeuner: oss modules is presupplied, you may want to recompile kernel |
| 02:15.11 | AlexW | no idea :p |
| 02:15.12 | Echizen | Guerin on the other had, is at home wackin it as he types "rtfm" |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | AlexW: the mirror is out of date |
| 02:15.25 | KimHansen | clueless: Can you bind-mount / somewhere else ? |
| 02:15.26 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: come try to insult us when you have grown pubic hair. |
| 02:15.27 | Guerin | simplet: honestly... http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.iso |
| 02:15.36 | Buuyo^ | What's wrong with wacking it? |
| 02:15.38 | clueless | KimHansen: /lib is getting big rather fast.... |
| 02:15.40 | FieldySnuts | heh Buuyo^ |
| 02:15.41 | AlexW | ohh |
| 02:15.44 | AlexW | well its on pipe |
| 02:15.51 | Echizen | FieldySnuts: how old do you think i am? |
| 02:15.52 | Buuyo^ | Damn right it is. Hands on the pipe. |
| 02:15.54 | Guerin | Echizen: haha |
| 02:15.55 | AlexW | so its free data |
| 02:15.56 | simplet | Guerin is that teh dvd or a cd ?? |
| 02:15.57 | KimHansen | clueless: How many kernels do you have installed ? |
| 02:15.58 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Just fetch it, install it, upgrade. |
| 02:16.00 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: who cares, it's irc. |
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| 02:16.03 | Guerin | simplet: that's a netinstall cd |
| 02:16.05 | bbrazil | clueless: there might be oldish stuff in /lib/modules (have you changed kernels a few times)? |
| 02:16.08 | Echizen | apprently you do |
| 02:16.13 | AlexW | i dont have much bandwidth |
| 02:16.14 | Echizen | according to your last comment |
| 02:16.18 | AlexW | so i use internet network mirrors |
| 02:16.22 | Guerin | Echizen: i'll give you a link to my cam if you like |
| 02:16.26 | Echizen | you dont want me here till i reach a certain age |
| 02:16.31 | clueless | KimHansen: just two.... kernel is not the problem.... it's the /lib that is.... |
| 02:16.34 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: please stop trolling. if you need trolling lessons, talk to Scrye in #xlnx |
| 02:16.34 | abrotman | Echizen: just shut up |
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| 02:16.40 | FieldySnuts | no shit |
| 02:16.42 | Buuyo^ | heh scrye |
| 02:16.43 | simplet | Guerin i'm looking for a dvd or a full suite cd's ?? |
| 02:16.44 | Buuyo^ | I remember him. ^^; |
| 02:16.48 | Buuyo^ | Big mac, etc' |
| 02:16.52 | cthulfuego | AlexW: If you fetch r3 there won't be THAT many updates. |
| 02:16.53 | FieldySnuts | Buuyo^: troll king |
| 02:16.55 | Buuyo^ | only he names computers that way |
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| 02:17.00 | Echizen | FieldySnuts: you're the one that said it |
| 02:17.02 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts Yeah, I know. |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | Echizen: just shut up |
| 02:17.05 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: fuck off already |
| 02:17.15 | FieldySnuts | or I'll make Phated eat your liver. |
| 02:17.16 | Shadow_7 | And I thought undernet was bad. |
| 02:17.16 | Nwallins | you don't want me here |
| 02:17.18 | Nwallins | till i reach a certain age |
| 02:17.19 | Nwallins | echizen fuck off |
| 02:17.25 | Echizen | everyone fuck off! |
| 02:17.27 | Guerin | simplet: then get them from distrowatch or something |
| 02:17.29 | abrotman | Echizen: just shut up |
| 02:17.29 | Echizen | i hate you all! |
| 02:17.33 | FieldySnuts | can we please +q this guy? |
| 02:17.33 | abrotman | ok .. good |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | go away |
| 02:17.36 | Buuyo^ | Echizen We love you. |
| 02:17.43 | FieldySnuts | oh i see, reverse psychology |
| 02:17.46 | FieldySnuts | I <3 Echizen |
| 02:17.46 | bucky | Echizen, go use redhat and leave us alone |
| 02:17.50 | Echizen | abrotman: shut up! |
| 02:17.50 | Buuyo^ | I love everyone. |
| 02:17.50 | AlexW | ftp.au.debian.org :( |
| 02:17.50 | Out0fCtrl | u |
| 02:17.54 | Echizen | Nwallins: shut up! |
| 02:17.58 | Buuyo^ | Echizen And I know you love me. |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | Echizen: are you going to cry? |
| 02:17.59 | AlexW | this mirror does not go trough PIPEnetworks |
| 02:18.01 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Tried aarnet? |
| 02:18.02 | Echizen | FieldySnuts: shut up! |
| 02:18.04 | Guerin | !mhallsmite Echizen |
| 02:18.05 | dpkg | Fuck Echizen. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 02:18.09 | FieldySnuts | @ops Echizen trolling |
| 02:18.13 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Echizen trolling |
| 02:18.13 | Echizen | !mhallsmite Guerin |
| 02:18.13 | dpkg | Fuck Guerin. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 02:18.16 | bob2 | lord |
| 02:18.20 | MrKeuner | abrotman/ there's no /etc/modules.conf in my systm. Where can I get it's format? |
| 02:18.21 | nvz | heh |
| 02:18.22 | simplet | Guerin what are those ? |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | i woulodn't say he's trolling as much as upset |
| 02:18.24 | Buuyo^ | eww you people are dirty ;p |
| 02:18.28 | bob2 | stop it |
| 02:18.31 | Guerin | Echizen: monkey see, monkey do. |
| 02:18.31 | nvz | the lord wont stop this, bob2 |
| 02:18.32 | Buuyo^ | btw |
| 02:18.36 | TheAsp | hah |
| 02:18.37 | Echizen | i'm not doign anything anyone else is doing |
| 02:18.37 | bucky | Echizen, is a big cry baby |
| 02:18.37 | Buuyo^ | alias eth31337 8139too |
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| 02:18.52 | bob2 | FieldySnuts: stop winding him/her up |
| 02:18.55 | Nwallins | ooh boy! meltdown! |
| 02:18.55 | FieldySnuts | roger |
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| 02:19.01 | AlexW | http://mirror.datafast.net.au/iso/linux/debian/ |
| 02:19.05 | abrotman | MrKeuner: i think it's just /etc/modules now .. also .. /etc/discover* might be useful |
| 02:19.06 | AlexW | is that mirror up to datte |
| 02:19.06 | *** part/#debian Shadow_7 (~Shadow_7@dialup-4.230.120.162.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net) |
| 02:19.09 | caiqian | MrKeuner: modconf |
| 02:19.09 | bob2 | Echizen: be a big boy/girl and /ignore people |
| 02:19.11 | Buuyo^ | I have an ibanez poster with your picture on it FieldySnuts |
| 02:19.12 | Guerin | bob2: it's not FieldySnuts. It's the fact that I wanted him to wipe his own arse. |
| 02:19.19 | Guerin | s/him/her/ as necessary |
| 02:19.25 | AlexW | http://mirror.datafast.net.au/ |
| 02:19.26 | Xsquared | :P |
| 02:19.28 | Buuyo^ | Vai and Satriani on there too |
| 02:19.30 | Echizen | bob2: but i'll miss part of the convo then! |
| 02:19.30 | TheAsp | No you didnt |
| 02:19.33 | Buuyo^ | pwn pwn pnw |
| 02:19.36 | Buuyo^ | xinu! |
| 02:19.37 | FieldySnuts | Buuyo^: I have no clue what you just said |
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| 02:19.46 | abrotman | AlexW: i'll get you a URL |
| 02:19.48 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts korn uses ibanez guitars |
| 02:19.54 | Buuyo^ | fieldy's on my poster |
| 02:19.59 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
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| 02:20.04 | Buuyo^ | as for the pwnage, it's not explainable. |
| 02:20.05 | bob2 | Echizen: when I weigh up 'you guys annoying everyone' against 'you missing part of the conversation'... |
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| 02:20.07 | FieldySnuts | ok hey I don't care |
| 02:20.15 | cthulfuego | AlexW: You could get a jigdo file and tell jigdo to download from ANY mirror. |
| 02:20.17 | AlexW | abrotman i dont have much bandwidth thats my point |
| 02:20.20 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts I'm surprised that your nickname isn't related to korn. |
| 02:20.23 | FieldySnuts | (talking to bytecolor ) |
| 02:20.24 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 02:20.24 | Nwallins | i'm not |
| 02:20.28 | cthulfuego | AlexW: That will get you an up-to-date iso. |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | AlexW: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/images/3.0_r4/ |
| 02:20.33 | FieldySnuts | bytecolor: wrong person |
| 02:20.34 | Buuyo^ | It's Buuyo^ |
| 02:20.35 | abrotman | AlexW: that's ok ... |
| 02:20.40 | equnix | what do you think of the legal debate regarding mplayer? i don't get very much of /msg dpkg mplayer legal saga's urls |
| 02:20.42 | Thaiger | It seems that at random times anything mozilla just segfaults, mozilla, mozilla-firefox, thunderbird all of it, any advice? Sarge 2.4.27 |
| 02:20.43 | AlexW | i need to download from mirror.pacific.net.au |
| 02:20.44 | Echizen | !mhallsmite Guerin |
| 02:20.45 | dpkg | Fuck Guerin. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 02:20.49 | bob2 | Echizen: enough |
| 02:20.52 | pingouin | aaaahh steve vai, what a nice little boy |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | AlexW: why? |
| 02:20.54 | bob2 | Echizen: you do not get any more warnings |
| 02:20.55 | cthulfuego | AlexW: So tell jigdo to fetch from there. |
| 02:21.01 | bucky | just ban Echizen |
| 02:21.02 | Buuyo^ | pingouin He wears too much leather |
| 02:21.03 | Echizen | o.o |
| 02:21.07 | Echizen | and then what? |
| 02:21.10 | Buuyo^ | pingouin And he has crazy hair. :X |
| 02:21.11 | AlexW | needs to go trough pipenetworks.com |
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| 02:21.12 | simplet | Guerin i have a slow adsl connexion that's why i'm searching for debian dvd or full cd installation !! |
| 02:21.13 | FieldySnuts | been doing this shit for the past hour |
| 02:21.15 | AlexW | so i get free data |
| 02:21.20 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Then a channel op does their op thing. |
| 02:21.23 | Guerin | equnix: the mplayer devs might or might not have some legally dicey code in their distro. in the opinion of the debian legal team, it needs to be audited. |
| 02:21.24 | Buuyo^ | My passion and warfare cd is toast |
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| 02:21.33 | Buuyo^ | it got scratched to death by my cd player |
| 02:21.34 | Echizen | oh noes! |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | what a moron |
| 02:21.41 | AlexW | whats the latest version |
| 02:21.42 | Buuyo^ | Tell me about it. |
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| 02:21.45 | pingouin | Buuyo^: i dont care what he wear even naked..still one of the most amazing musician living |
| 02:21.45 | Echizen | plz dont ban me |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | AlexW: for woody .. 3.0r4 |
| 02:21.50 | roods | i just downloaded an minimal iso to install debian on my mac, but i'm not able to make it bootable. is there a way to get around this? |
| 02:21.50 | Echizen | i LOVE this channel |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | !plz |
| 02:21.51 | dpkg | it has been said that plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 02:21.57 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Stop being a retard, then. |
| 02:22.02 | Buuyo^ | pingouin Y'know, steve vai learned from joe satriani eh? |
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| 02:22.08 | FieldySnuts | hi sgeigerbot |
| 02:22.10 | equnix | Guerin, have they been stealing code? i remember something that happened a couple of months ago when KISS was accused of had been taking mplayer code |
| 02:22.11 | Echizen | that was sarcasm cthulfuego |
| 02:22.14 | pingouin | Buuyo^: yep |
| 02:22.20 | abrotman | no .. he was serious |
| 02:22.20 | Buuyo^ | satriani pwns |
| 02:22.23 | Buuyo^ | even more than vai imho |
| 02:22.25 | cthulfuego | Echizen: Ask bob2 to ban you, then. Do us all a favour. |
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| 02:22.30 | AlexW | ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/dists/Debian3.0r4/ |
| 02:22.33 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: hi. |
| 02:22.34 | Guerin | simplet: so go to distrowatch.com or buy a set of cds from the list of people on http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 02:22.34 | AlexW | is this not correct? |
| 02:22.39 | FieldySnuts | please get banned, and evade the ban so that you get kicked off freenode |
| 02:22.39 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 02:22.40 | Buuyo^ | that may just be because I have more satriani albums |
| 02:22.42 | cthulfuego | AlexW: That would be the latest stable, yes. |
| 02:22.43 | equnix | isn't there a good text about this? |
| 02:22.48 | Buuyo^ | FieldySnuts Who me? |
| 02:22.51 | FieldySnuts | Buuyo^: no |
| 02:22.56 | Guerin | simplet: but unless you've got sub-56k, don't whine about bandwidth, beecause it IS doable. |
| 02:23.06 | Buuyo^ | I'm using 33.6 |
| 02:23.06 | pingouin | Buuyo^: i really like the both, not the same.. |
| 02:23.11 | AlexW | so where are the isos? |
| 02:23.12 | *** join/#debian mrwill (~Snak@ip-083-160.oberlin.net) |
| 02:23.15 | NP_complete | why my 3c59x doesn't work on 2.4.18 ?? |
| 02:23.20 | abrotman | AlexW: those are not ISOs |
| 02:23.31 | AlexW | lol |
| 02:23.35 | bucky | AlexW, on debian.org |
| 02:23.39 | AlexW | http://www.pipenetworks.com/ToolsAndResources/mirror-list-syd.shtml |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | AlexW: i gave you a link already |
| 02:23.42 | AlexW | see those mirrors |
| 02:23.48 | abrotman | AlexW: http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/debian-cd/images/3.0_r4/ |
| 02:23.51 | AlexW | all those mirrors are free data to me |
| 02:23.51 | Buuyo^ | bucky My processor is faster than yours. |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | perfect links .. |
| 02:23.53 | NP_complete | I need to compile a 2.6.10 kernel, without kernel-package tools, it's possible? |
| 02:23.55 | bob2 | Echizen: thank you for stopping |
| 02:23.57 | sgeigerbot | Which are the more popular open source Web link verifiers that Web developers use? (I don't want to try all the ones I can find if there are some that are known to be very good.) I know about webcheck, checkbot, linbot (perhaps an old name for webcheck), linkchecker, and linklint. |
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| 02:24.00 | bob2 | NP_complete: "need"? why? |
| 02:24.03 | Echizen | oh |
| 02:24.07 | Echizen | i'm on call |
| 02:24.08 | Guerin | equnix: no, it's nothing like as clear-cut as that. The reason there's a saga is because it's largely a matter of perspective. The mplayer devs don't believe they've done anything wrong; debian legal has decided to err on the side of caution. |
| 02:24.13 | Echizen | i'll be back in a moment |
| 02:24.20 | Echizen | er, on a call |
| 02:24.22 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Fetch an outdated ISO from pacific.net. Install. Set your sources to the pacific.net mirror. Update. Done. |
| 02:24.25 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:24.28 | Gwildor | grrr |
| 02:24.30 | NP_complete | bob2, cause my 3com NIC doesn't work, and i haven't internet |
| 02:24.31 | Guerin | phone techsupp |
| 02:24.33 | Buuyo^ | fetch install floppies |
| 02:24.36 | Guerin | and can't even read maanpages |
| 02:24.37 | Echizen | yeah XD |
| 02:24.37 | Buuyo^ | fetch everythign else from the 'net |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | Guerin: 10 days? |
| 02:24.39 | Buuyo^ | and you're done. :) |
| 02:24.40 | Gwildor | what is the command to turn up my volume? |
| 02:24.43 | NP_complete | so i can't updtate befor compile. |
| 02:24.44 | mrwill | sgeigerbot: sounds like you already know about most of them. |
| 02:24.45 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Now if you ask again I'll CALL swiftdsl and make them throttle your link. |
| 02:24.45 | Guerin | abrotman: and counting. |
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| 02:24.48 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: hehe :) some people stay phone techs for a reason |
| 02:24.51 | AlexW | heh |
| 02:24.51 | equnix | Guerin, what does debian legal believe that the mplayer devs has done wrong, then? |
| 02:24.55 | AlexW | ok so i have 3.0r2 |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | !mplayer license |
| 02:25.01 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer license was Many parts of MPlayer are covered by various software patents, which make it difficult for Debian to distribute MPlayer packages. Instead, grab debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>, or build them yourself. |
| 02:25.05 | FieldySnuts | screw mplayer |
| 02:25.05 | Guerin | equnix: it's all in the debian-legal thread |
| 02:25.09 | Echizen | mplayer rules |
| 02:25.10 | caiqian | Gwildor: aumix |
| 02:25.11 | Buuyo^ | What's wrong with mplayer? |
| 02:25.14 | Echizen | mplayer rules!!! |
| 02:25.16 | cthulfuego | AlexW: just install from those, then update using their pacific mirror. It'll be up to date, then. |
| 02:25.17 | Gwildor | thnx caiqian |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | Echizen: can't you just be quiet for 5 minutes? |
| 02:25.23 | AlexW | ahh ok |
| 02:25.26 | bucky | Echizen, mplayer is not free |
| 02:25.27 | NP_complete | I'm downloading 2.6.10 from www.kernel.org, can i compile it without make-kpkg?? |
| 02:25.30 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: I smell dalnet kiddies |
| 02:25.32 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:25.32 | Echizen | soooooo? |
| 02:25.33 | maher | NP_complete: yes |
| 02:25.38 | AlexW | so go install now |
| 02:25.41 | AlexW | and ill be back later |
| 02:25.41 | bucky | Echizen, use mandrake |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i smell idiot |
| 02:25.45 | Echizen | why does it matter if it's open? |
| 02:25.46 | AlexW | to ask how to change the mirrors |
| 02:25.48 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: permission to fire |
| 02:25.50 | NP_complete | maher, but how to install it? |
| 02:25.50 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Good luck! |
| 02:25.55 | Guerin | no, actually |
| 02:25.56 | Buuyo^ | poop |
| 02:25.57 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: because this is debian. |
| 02:25.58 | cthulfuego | AlexW: it will ask you after install. |
| 02:25.59 | caiqian | NP_complete: sure, just like the normal way. |
| 02:25.59 | AlexW | thx |
| 02:26.00 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: let's get grillin! |
| 02:26.01 | Buuyo^ | nothing's happening |
| 02:26.03 | AlexW | ohh |
| 02:26.09 | FieldySnuts | FOX ONE! FOX TWO! |
| 02:26.09 | AlexW | so just tell it mirror.pacific.net.au |
| 02:26.10 | Nwallins | Echizen: open != free sounding like a troll |
| 02:26.10 | clueless | mplayer is shareware or something? |
| 02:26.11 | Guerin | mplayer IS free software. It's just under a shadow of doubt |
| 02:26.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: anyone who's name is f00k ... has to be fucking dumb |
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| 02:26.17 | AlexW | or do i need to tell it the exact directory |
| 02:26.17 | sgeigerbot | mrwill: which are good? |
| 02:26.19 | Echizen | ok, whatever |
| 02:26.22 | cthulfuego | AlexW: yep, probably select it from a list of aussie mirrors. |
| 02:26.23 | equnix | thanks Guerin |
| 02:26.24 | AlexW | or will it be there already |
| 02:26.26 | sgeigerbot | mrwill: the point is that I don't want to try them all |
| 02:26.29 | Echizen | mplayer rules and licenses shouldnt stop you from using |
| 02:26.30 | AlexW | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 02:26.33 | cthulfuego | You'll see. |
| 02:26.33 | AlexW | its in the list |
| 02:26.36 | NP_complete | well, make-menuconfig, make?? |
| 02:26.38 | AlexW | so i spose it will be |
| 02:26.38 | mrwill | sgeigerbot: dunno, I've used linkchecker myself with good results. |
| 02:26.42 | Guerin | Echizen: that's a choice for each person to make. |
| 02:26.42 | FieldySnuts | Echizen: apparently you don't know much about debian, then |
| 02:26.44 | NP_complete | and make install? that's all? |
| 02:26.47 | netsplit | !ne1 |
| 02:26.47 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 02:26.50 | caiqian | NP_complete: make bzImage |
| 02:26.55 | Buuyo^ | holy crap |
| 02:27.00 | Buuyo^ | an email flow chart! |
| 02:27.04 | Echizen | FieldySnuts: i know they only want free stuff |
| 02:27.05 | AlexW | should i format it |
| 02:27.08 | NP_complete | well, i'll need some help to do that |
| 02:27.11 | AlexW | or just leave it and debian will do that |
| 02:27.21 | Echizen | just cuz i use the OS doesnt mean i have the same view as the developers |
| 02:27.25 | abrotman | !cuz |
| 02:27.25 | FieldySnuts | depends what you mean by free, which again, i doubt you understand |
| 02:27.32 | caiqian | NP_complete: google search. lots of results. |
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| 02:27.42 | AlexW | do i need debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso or debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
| 02:27.43 | FieldySnuts | and because of talking like cuz and other stupid words, i'm ceasing talking to you |
| 02:27.49 | bucky | Echizen, if we want to use free stuff we'll just use a bunch of pirated microsoft product like you |
| 02:27.50 | NP_complete | just get make-kpkg results... |
| 02:27.52 | Echizen | free as in gnu only, right? |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | Echizen: they don't care .. it's not compatible with DFSG .. |
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| 02:28.00 | FieldySnuts | dfsg :) |
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| 02:28.03 | Echizen | thats what you mean, FieldySnuts ? |
| 02:28.07 | NP_complete | can i compile 2.6.10 kernel, with woody libc?? |
| 02:28.10 | nvz | Echizen: DFSG |
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| 02:28.15 | AlexW | which cd do i burn? |
| 02:28.17 | caiqian | NP_complete: no |
| 02:28.19 | AlexW | debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso or debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso |
| 02:28.23 | AlexW | or both |
| 02:28.31 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Either |
| 02:28.34 | bucky | AlexW, is this for a server? |
| 02:28.40 | FieldySnuts | hrm anyone know what type of compression the -z option in rsync is using, pretty nice and fast |
| 02:28.41 | AlexW | kinda |
| 02:28.44 | nvz | Echizen: and please drop it, she had indicated that she does not want to talk about it anymore |
| 02:28.45 | bucky | ok |
| 02:28.48 | NP_complete | caiqian, what should i do?? |
| 02:28.51 | AlexW | no gui really |
| 02:28.51 | cthulfuego | AlexW: get nonus, you're not in the us, after all. |
| 02:28.52 | Guerin | let's be clear: POTENTIAL legal problems with code use or software patents don't affect whether a program is free software in practice - it's licensed free and the devs clearly believe it to be free. Each person has to judge the veracity of those claims themselves. The debian project says no; I say it's good enough for me. |
| 02:28.53 | bbrazil | NP_complete: I did 2.4.6 without problems - but you'll need a module-init-tools backport to use modules |
| 02:28.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: beer nvz |
| 02:28.59 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you smoking crack? |
| 02:29.03 | FieldySnuts | aw |
| 02:29.04 | Buuyo^ | oi |
| 02:29.07 | Echizen | nvz: do you see me saying anything after your previous comment? |
| 02:29.14 | cthulfuego | AlexW: (probably one is a symlink to the other on the server anyway) |
| 02:29.19 | Buuyo^ | licenses like the gpl cause too much hassel. Everything should be BSD so that life could go on. :) |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 02:29.25 | FieldySnuts | oh my. |
| 02:29.34 | bbrazil | NP_complete: I advise against 2.6 and woody, it works but some stuff breaks |
| 02:29.34 | nvz | Echizen: nope. relax. this place got you somewhere between a wigwam and a teepee |
| 02:29.39 | Guerin | Buuyo^: don't get started down that path o' bullshit. |
| 02:29.39 | Eclipser | !cola me |
| 02:29.40 | FieldySnuts | still sunday here, obviously |
| 02:29.40 | AlexW | its for a 666mhz with 100mb of ram |
| 02:29.43 | AlexW | should i put a gui on it |
| 02:29.50 | NP_complete | can i install nvidia drivers over 2.4.18bf? |
| 02:29.51 | Guerin | AlexW: cpu of teh beast! |
| 02:29.51 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: I don't want someone reusing my code and selling it at a profit. |
| 02:29.52 | Buuyo^ | Guerin You don't want to get me started either. |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | !soda Eclipser |
| 02:29.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:29.55 | caiqian | NP_complete: There are a lot of pre-requirement for 2.6.x ,see its README. woody can't work |
| 02:29.56 | AlexW | im really going to be just SSHing to it |
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| 02:30.04 | Nwallins | !teabag Eclipser |
| 02:30.08 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego I don't care what happens to my code as long as it helps someone. :) |
| 02:30.09 | clueless | compiling mplayer was never problem for me..... so it's no big deal if it's not 'in debian'..... |
| 02:30.09 | Guerin | !tommee tippee Echizen |
| 02:30.11 | FieldySnuts | heh! i'm staring at the monitor right, and this huge thing lowers down in front of my face, it was a rather large spider that had come all the way down from 12 foot high ceilings, only 2 inches in front of my face |
| 02:30.14 | mrwill | bbrazil: what breaks besides procps utilities? I'm running 2.6 under woody, and had to install a backport of that, but other than that, seems good. |
| 02:30.16 | FieldySnuts | that was funny |
| 02:30.19 | Guerin | aww, no tommee tippee factoid for babies |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you're excited about this? |
| 02:30.27 | AlexW | unless i put gui on |
| 02:30.30 | AlexW | and do VNC :) |
| 02:30.30 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: If it helps someone get rich, it will be ME. Not someone who just ripped it off. |
| 02:30.32 | FieldySnuts | spiders are neat |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:30.42 | NP_complete | I need nforce net suport, or 3com suport, just that, should i compile a new kernel?? |
| 02:30.47 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 02:30.49 | MrKeuner | when I run gnome-volume-control I see two tabs. oss mixer and alsa mixer. How can I get rid of OSS mixer. Do I really need it? |
| 02:30.54 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego I donate my time, not donate something with crazy strings attached to it. |
| 02:30.55 | roods | if i burned an iso in OS X will that cd boot on my x86? |
| 02:30.57 | FieldySnuts | you could have had it done by now |
| 02:30.57 | bbrazil | mrwill: few other things give warnings about HZ value, chkrootkit come to mind. I've forgotten as I'm on sarge now |
| 02:31.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: troll Buuyo^ |
| 02:31.13 | Buuyo^ | oooh no. :( |
| 02:31.16 | AlexW | LOL im so dumb |
| 02:31.17 | mrwill | bbrazil: ok, just wanted to see if there was something I missed. thanks. |
| 02:31.19 | AlexW | i have two computers |
| 02:31.23 | AlexW | why would i be leaving :p |
| 02:31.33 | Buuyo^ | sgeigerbot Regular I guess. |
| 02:31.35 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: Were you one of those people who cheated on school exams too? |
| 02:31.37 | AlexW | ill chuck in the 1st cd |
| 02:31.40 | nvz | sgeigerbot: a giant web and we would all be stuck in it |
| 02:31.41 | AlexW | and start |
| 02:31.43 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: didn't MicroShaft of Adob_ patent it yet? |
| 02:31.47 | AlexW | last time i got an error |
| 02:31.48 | FieldySnuts | s/of/or/ |
| 02:31.49 | NP_complete | I have a woody base system (100 mb) kernel 2.4.18bf, no internet acces |
| 02:31.50 | nevyn | roods: sure. |
| 02:31.52 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego Nope. I'm a 90% average student and I study well |
| 02:31.52 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 02:31.53 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: damn, you are genius |
| 02:31.58 | sgeigerbot | moo |
| 02:32.01 | Buuyo^ | s/well/hard/ |
| 02:32.05 | FieldySnuts | cthulfuego: heh |
| 02:32.06 | foxbat | Routing question: When a machine creates a packet (for whatever reason) whose destination is an ip that is not on the local network (as defined by ip adress xor hostmask), it sends it to the default gateway. Does it do this by simply dumping the packet onto the network and letting the gateway figure out that this packet needs to be handled by it, or does it rewrite the destination so that the packet travels to the gateway? |
| 02:32.07 | NP_complete | best way to get internet acces? recompile a new kernel? |
| 02:32.09 | bucky | AlexW, get a net install iso or read the docs |
| 02:32.10 | Echizen | alright |
| 02:32.13 | Echizen | later guys |
| 02:32.15 | Echizen | i hate you all |
| 02:32.18 | FieldySnuts | good |
| 02:32.22 | hacim | heh |
| 02:32.23 | Guerin | NP_complete: load the correct module for your ethernet card, then read man interfaces |
| 02:32.28 | AlexW | i tried the netinst |
| 02:32.29 | Guerin | !win #debian |
| 02:32.30 | AlexW | got an error |
| 02:32.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, #debian! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:32.33 | nvz | ok, fuck you very much. Come again :) |
| 02:32.37 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 02:32.40 | Guerin | dpkg, you're not wrong there |
| 02:32.40 | dpkg | Guerin: I give up, what is it? |
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| 02:32.47 | NP_complete | Guerin, i have an 3c59x, but it says error!!! |
| 02:33.07 | hacim | whenever I play a movie on my thinkpad x40, the video is all washed out, like the contrast is too high or something :( |
| 02:33.08 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: he said he didn't have support in the kernel, should he recompile? we said yes at least a few times |
| 02:33.22 | bbrazil | foxbat: it sets the dest mac address of the packet to that of the gateway - which is below IP. gateway sees its mac as a dest takes it in an does whatever |
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| 02:33.28 | Guerin | NP_complete: omfg, you discovered a new error message! You're the first person ever to see the error message which only says "Error!" and doesn't give any useful information. |
| 02:33.44 | abrotman | !feed Guerin |
| 02:33.45 | Guerin | 3c59x is supported by bf24 |
| 02:33.48 | foxbat | bbrazil: ahh... so the dest mac address on the lower layer is for the gateway, but the ip content remains unchanged? |
| 02:33.50 | Guerin | I know this because I have one |
| 02:33.59 | AlexW | hmm |
| 02:34.00 | caiqian | NP_complete: insmod 3c59x.o |
| 02:34.04 | AlexW | whats all that stuff mean :P |
| 02:34.04 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:34.07 | Guerin | no I don't |
| 02:34.07 | OpenRealty | need command to take service (xdm) out of runlevel 2 from command line (sshed in) |
| 02:34.12 | bbrazil | foxbat: afaik. unless you have some weird dnat stuff |
| 02:34.13 | cthulfuego | AlexW: stuff? |
| 02:34.27 | Guerin | i have 3c589_cs |
| 02:34.27 | abrotman | caiqian: modprobe |
| 02:34.29 | NP_complete | Guerin it days, invalid IRQ |
| 02:34.29 | cthulfuego | OpenRealty: install and run rcconf |
| 02:34.40 | foxbat | bbrazil: I'm trying to write a transparent bridge between two subnets on a single physical lan, and having a hell of a time with it. Thanks, and let me think about that for a while..... |
| 02:34.43 | FieldySnuts | that's not a kernel issue that's a lame hardware issue |
| 02:34.46 | Buuyo^ | mmmm tasty |
| 02:34.47 | cthulfuego | caiqian: Stop telling people to use insmod. |
| 02:34.48 | Buuyo^ | zombie nation |
| 02:34.55 | bbrazil | foxbat: you know that linux supports that? |
| 02:34.55 | OpenRealty | thanks |
| 02:34.58 | FieldySnuts | indeed. modprobe and leave off .o or .ko |
| 02:35.07 | foxbat | bbrazil: yes - I'm trying to use iproute2 to do this |
| 02:35.12 | Guerin | NP_complete: ok, so the module exists, you just have to probe the module with the correct resources. |
| 02:35.20 | bbrazil | foxbat: why? its in the kernel |
| 02:35.35 | caiqian | cthulfuego: all right |
| 02:35.36 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: :( |
| 02:35.36 | foxbat | bbrazil: I'm using fastnat, which is through the kernel |
| 02:35.39 | NP_complete | Guerin, how to do that? |
| 02:35.41 | sgeigerbot | Buuyo^: yes, I'm a regular. :-) |
| 02:35.43 | foxbat | bbrazil: is there an easier way? |
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| 02:35.59 | cthulfuego | sgeigerbot: You eat enough fibre then? |
| 02:36.05 | FieldySnuts | fiber! |
| 02:36.11 | Guerin | NP_complete: i think is's something like modprobe foo IRQ=7 or something |
| 02:36.12 | foxbat | bbrazil: I have a host 10.1.1.10 which I want to be available from a 192.168.1.0 subnet |
| 02:36.15 | NP_complete | invalid IO or IRQ |
| 02:36.16 | abrotman | it's alright |
| 02:36.18 | Guerin | NP_complete: read man modprobe |
| 02:36.18 | kremlyn | Hmm. What is Bluetooth support in Linux (Debian) like? |
| 02:36.19 | abrotman | not all right |
| 02:36.22 | FieldySnuts | modinfo modulenames |
| 02:36.27 | Buuyo^ | oooh a networking question! |
| 02:36.29 | cthulfuego | FieldySnuts: Don't make me come over there |
| 02:36.30 | bbrazil | foxbat: you'll need some routing for that alright |
| 02:36.30 | FieldySnuts | s/es/e/ |
| 02:36.30 | Guerin | NP_complete: ok, you need to learn a bit about isa hardware, sadly. |
| 02:36.43 | FieldySnuts | cthulfuego: grr |
| 02:36.44 | NP_complete | isa? |
| 02:36.45 | AlexW | whats s/es/e is that spelling correction? |
| 02:36.45 | Buuyo^ | foxbat the answer is 42 |
| 02:36.47 | mrwill | kremlyn: well, I think it exists, but whatever you want to do will require some configuration. |
| 02:36.51 | Guerin | kremlyn: supposed to be pretty good. |
| 02:37.08 | foxbat | bbrazil: so I was doing fastnat with iproute2 to translate packets from anything on 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.10 so that they become destined for 10.1.1.10 |
| 02:37.09 | Buuyo^ | foxbat The way you get the answer is by adding a route to the 10.1.1.10 host |
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| 02:37.14 | NP_complete | Guerin i have a A7N8X motherboard. 3com/nforce2 |
| 02:37.16 | bbrazil | foxbat: if both the subnets have the same box as their gateway (with the correct ip addresses etc.) and ip_forwarding is turned on, it should just work |
| 02:37.17 | kremlyn | I just want to use a bluetooth keyboard/mouse. I'm getting a Dell 8600 and it only has two USB ports. |
| 02:37.22 | Buuyo^ | <<<<<<#333333333333333 |
| 02:37.30 | Buuyo^ | whoah, a few too many 3's |
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| 02:37.32 | Guerin | Buuyo^: lay off the speed |
| 02:37.39 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: fiber/fibre is like cats, cats 5 is like cable, cable is like fibre...or something like that. |
| 02:37.39 | foxbat | Buuyo^: Yes - I don't know how to do that though |
| 02:37.42 | mrwill | kremlyn: that should work without too much setup. was concerned you want to sync a pda or something. |
| 02:37.43 | Buuyo^ | Guerin X |
| 02:37.45 | bbrazil | foxbat: as in 1-to-1 nat? |
| 02:37.46 | NP_complete | i think A7N8X deluxe 3com is 3c59x |
| 02:37.47 | FieldySnuts | sgeigerbot: ok, if you say so |
| 02:37.50 | foxbat | bbrazil: they don't |
| 02:37.56 | foxbat | bbrazil: yes |
| 02:37.57 | Guerin | NP_complete: you THINK? |
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| 02:38.02 | Buuyo^ | foxbat man route |
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| 02:38.14 | bbrazil | foxbat: shorewall does that (the 'nat' config file) |
| 02:38.16 | kremlyn | mrwill: Nothing like that.. yet. And I guess support for that will improve.. |
| 02:38.20 | nvz | FieldySnuts: this is obviously one bot you don't understand |
| 02:38.23 | foxbat | bbrazil: the gateway for the 10.1.1.0 network is 10.1.1.1, and the gateway for 192.168.1.0 is 192.168.1.1 |
| 02:38.27 | cthulfuego | NP_complete: Check the manula and find out for SURE |
| 02:38.29 | FieldySnuts | nvz: :( |
| 02:38.33 | Buuyo^ | That's funny |
| 02:38.45 | Buuyo^ | my routers are usually 155 in my subnets |
| 02:38.49 | sgeigerbot | nvz: thanks |
| 02:38.51 | Buuyo^ | 10.0.1.155 |
| 02:38.56 | FieldySnuts | we care |
| 02:39.02 | Buuyo^ | Although I did once have 10.0.1.0 as a router |
| 02:39.08 | Buuyo^ | that was kind of cool |
| 02:39.08 | foxbat | Buuyo^: yes - I can do it in linux, but how do I instruct a windows host to have that route when all I can control is what he gets via dhcp? |
| 02:39.09 | AlexW | it says Boot Failed: |
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| 02:39.23 | Buuyo^ | foxbat You can actually send static routes in dhcp |
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| 02:39.28 | cthulfuego | Buuyo^: Not on 10.0.1.0/24 I hope. |
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| 02:39.39 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego 10.0.0.0/23 |
| 02:39.40 | Buuyo^ | ;p |
| 02:39.41 | foxbat | bbrazil: does shorewall use netfilter to do the nat, or iproute2 |
| 02:39.46 | AlexW | Boot Failed: press a key to retry |
| 02:40.01 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Tell the hardware to boot from CD. |
| 02:40.09 | bbrazil | foxbat: netfilter iirc |
| 02:40.11 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego All of the best IP addresses are ones that confuse some people |
| 02:40.16 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: netfilter, I think. can iproute2 do that? |
| 02:40.16 | foxbat | bbrazil: hmm... |
| 02:40.16 | mrwill | kremlyn: don't count on it. |
| 02:40.18 | Buuyo^ | like 10.0.1.255 |
| 02:40.19 | Buuyo^ | <3 |
| 02:40.22 | AlexW | hardware |
| 02:40.22 | AlexW | ? |
| 02:40.23 | Buuyo^ | or something |
| 02:40.30 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: iproute2 does fastnat |
| 02:40.31 | AlexW | it is booting from the cd |
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| 02:40.42 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: or 1:1 stateless nat |
| 02:40.42 | Buuyo^ | cthulfuego You hit me, I hit everyone |
| 02:40.46 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: I see that now in my notes. Nice. |
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| 02:40.59 | AlexW | it shows the ISOLINUX stuff then says Boot Failed: prees a key to retry |
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| 02:41.01 | foxbat | I already have a netfilter box routing the 192.168.1.0 network as the default gateway providing internet connectivity |
| 02:41.01 | Buuyo^ | umm yeah |
| 02:41.02 | NP_complete | -- it would seem that they don't have support in this driver for the ASIC of the NIC on the a7n8x-deluxe (exact ASIC is 3C920B-EMB) |
| 02:41.04 | Buuyo^ | cold war mentality |
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| 02:41.12 | kremlyn | mrwill: I'm hoping Novell's entrance into the Linux desktop market will filter down to improving Linux support in general for bluetooth, so their Evolution client can talk to PDA's like that :-) |
| 02:41.35 | Buuyo^ | Xim^H^H^HNovell Evolution is cool. |
| 02:41.35 | foxbat | what happens now is that if you want to connect from say 192.168.1.2 to 10.1.1.10, you have to go out the outbound gateway on the 192 network, and then through the inboud gateay, so I lose bandwidth on both |
| 02:41.35 | mrwill | kremlyn: one can always hope. |
| 02:41.45 | foxbat | and I just want two hosts to be directly available |
| 02:41.52 | AlexW | ISOLINUX: Disk Error 00, drive 9F |
| 02:42.03 | cthulfuego | AlexW: Whoops. Broken CDROM |
| 02:42.03 | foxbat | so I wanted to do stateless 1:1 fastnat to bring say 10.1.1.10 into the 192.168.1.0 network as 192.168.1.10 |
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| 02:42.37 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: dhcp doesn't give out routes, as far as I know. You would just give the windows box an IP and name servers...and then your linux router would have the routes. |
| 02:42.44 | mrwill | AlexW: sounds like a bad cd, or maybe a hardware problem. |
| 02:42.51 | NP_complete | does anybody know how to make A7N8X 3com work on 2.4.18bf? |
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| 02:42.57 | AlexW | :'( |
| 02:43.01 | Buuyo^ | sgeigerbot fyi, you can send static routes with dhcp. I've done it with Windows dhcp server. A Linux box picked the idea up |
| 02:43.04 | AlexW | ill try cd 2 |
| 02:43.06 | vulture | sgeigerbot: DHCP does give out gateways at least. which is something you need to give the windows box as well as an IP and nameservers |
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| 02:43.24 | Buuyo^ | So maybe isc-dhcpd will send out static routes |
| 02:43.29 | Buuyo^ | to a windows box that it'll understand :) |
| 02:43.31 | Buuyo^ | worst case scenario |
| 02:43.33 | AlexW | i cant see any thing thatd make it wrong |
| 02:43.34 | mrwill | AlexW: well, I dunno if the second cd is quite what you want. |
| 02:43.35 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: what happens now is that the outbound packet reaches the 10.1.1.10 host, but the reply can't go anywhere, since its destined to 192.168.1.x, and the 10.1.1.10 host doesn't have a route to that |
| 02:43.41 | Buuyo^ | you can put persistent routes on the windows boxes |
| 02:43.41 | sgeigerbot | interesting. |
| 02:43.47 | Buuyo^ | that will stick despite dhcp allocations |
| 02:43.54 | Buuyo^ | and reboots |
| 02:43.55 | foxbat | Buuyo^: really |
| 02:43.55 | EricBlade | wow.. I just saw an ad on a website for a BOOK called "Installing Debian" .. that's pretty farking sad |
| 02:43.58 | AlexW | Incase of problems, try booting from other cd 2-5 |
| 02:44.03 | Buuyo^ | foxbat Yup. |
| 02:44.28 | caiqian | NP_complete: I think your card driver is wrong. you can try ne2k and RT modules |
| 02:44.30 | Buuyo^ | foxbat Won't be a problem. Use the -p flag with route in Windows. |
| 02:44.34 | foxbat | Buuyo^: because if I could add a route directive to my dhcp.conf, then I could tell the right hosts that they have a route to the 192.168.1.0 network |
| 02:44.37 | sgeigerbot | EricBlade: some people like thoroughness. ;-) Those books cover many of the programs you get with a standard Debian installation CD. |
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| 02:44.52 | foxbat | Buuyo^: what does that do |
| 02:44.53 | Buuyo^ | foxbat Well, it'll be a problem if windows 95 was one of your windows boxes |
| 02:44.57 | Buuyo^ | persistent routes |
| 02:45.03 | Buuyo^ | means you put them in once |
| 02:45.04 | Buuyo^ | and they stick |
| 02:45.04 | EricBlade | sgeigerbot: the ad seems to imply that without a thorough 200+ page manual to get it installed, you will fail. |
| 02:45.05 | Buuyo^ | forever |
| 02:45.09 | Buuyo^ | (or until you remove them) |
| 02:45.12 | larrikin | sgeigerbot: some publishers like selling books |
| 02:45.15 | foxbat | k hang on thanks |
| 02:45.23 | AlexW | ok |
| 02:45.24 | Buuyo^ | But worst case scenario |
| 02:45.25 | AlexW | booted |
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| 02:45.32 | Buuyo^ | you could just give your default gateway box |
| 02:45.34 | NP_complete | caiqian: I hace a A7N8X-deluxe 3Com device. |
| 02:45.37 | Buuyo^ | a route to the 10.whatever box |
| 02:45.51 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: it takes more than 24 hours, I found. |
| 02:45.54 | Buuyo^ | and all of your boxes on that network could get to the 10.whatever routed through the gateway box |
| 02:46.09 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: It depends how fast you read. |
| 02:46.11 | caiqian | Is A7N8X-deluxe using builtin network card? |
| 02:46.22 | AlexW | ok |
| 02:46.24 | mithro | can anyone recommend a mysql admin program which is in debian? |
| 02:46.25 | AlexW | what about |
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| 02:46.32 | Guerin | clearrly I haven't gotten up to the "Hwo to typ goood" section |
| 02:46.35 | AlexW | if i make a fast32 partition and put the isos on there? |
| 02:46.40 | AlexW | fat32* |
| 02:46.45 | Buuyo^ | fast32 |
| 02:46.46 | Buuyo^ | that's funny |
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| 02:46.53 | Buuyo^ | do you know what happens if you make a fat32 bigger than 4 gigs? |
| 02:46.57 | Buuyo^ | problems. It's ass slow. |
| 02:47.00 | AlexW | nothing |
| 02:47.05 | Buuyo^ | heh |
| 02:47.11 | Guerin | mithro: what do you want to administer? |
| 02:47.18 | Buuyo^ | I meant 40GB |
| 02:47.19 | Buuyo^ | but ok |
| 02:47.22 | AlexW | ok then |
| 02:47.22 | bbenson | mithro mysqlcc and mysql-admin |
| 02:47.28 | AlexW | what about a EXT2/3 |
| 02:47.30 | AlexW | what ever it is |
| 02:47.34 | AlexW | and i can copy it over |
| 02:47.36 | NP_complete | caiqian: yes a 3com, and a nFoece2 |
| 02:47.39 | AlexW | from this computer |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | nFeces2 ? |
| 02:47.57 | FieldySnuts | exactly |
| 02:47.57 | Buuyo^ | hey |
| 02:47.59 | Buuyo^ | they work well |
| 02:48.04 | FieldySnuts | no, they don't |
| 02:48.07 | Buuyo^ | when you do the pencil trick to get your sli support |
| 02:48.14 | Buuyo^ | at no added cost |
| 02:48.17 | NP_complete | nForce2 |
| 02:48.18 | Buuyo^ | well |
| 02:48.20 | Buuyo^ | a pencil's cost |
| 02:48.25 | caiqian | NP_complete: is this for you? http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-9365.html |
| 02:48.37 | Buuyo^ | And soundstorm is STILL ALIVE! |
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| 02:49.10 | NP_complete | ok, i'm gonna try |
| 02:49.20 | Buuyo^ | those via amd64 chipsets really suck |
| 02:49.23 | caiqian | NP_complete: Seems like you need install drivers |
| 02:49.26 | Buuyo^ | even though they're faster than the nforce ones |
| 02:49.32 | FieldySnuts | pretty much anything via does |
| 02:49.33 | Buuyo^ | Really, they do. |
| 02:49.34 | AlexW | or can i store the isos on a local http server and use the netinst? |
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| 02:49.40 | NP_complete | ok |
| 02:49.40 | Nwallins | where does /usr/src/kernel-image-blah/build-386/.tmp_versions come from? |
| 02:49.41 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: that's the beauty of dependencies |
| 02:49.46 | Guerin | mwilson: embrace and extend. YOU WILL COMPLY. |
| 02:49.59 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Excuse me? |
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| 02:50.09 | AlexW | can i store the isos on a local http server and use the netinst? |
| 02:50.25 | mwilson | Guerin: It's an application. That's all. A *user* shell. It doesn't get to muck with system-level stuff. |
| 02:50.26 | Buuyo^ | AlexW Try extracting them on a local http mirror |
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| 02:50.40 | wye | exit |
| 02:50.42 | wye | jur |
| 02:50.44 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: I sense dependency creep. |
| 02:50.47 | Buuyo^ | By extract I could also mean loopback mount |
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| 02:50.59 | Buuyo^ | which would definitely be cleaner |
| 02:51.01 | Guerin | mwilson: you don't have to convince me. |
| 02:51.01 | AlexW | extracting hmm |
| 02:51.05 | zignig | sgeigerbot: what are you talking about gnome already installs heaps of crap. |
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| 02:51.12 | Nach | Hi, I just did a dist-upgrade and have been getting a weird problem |
| 02:51.13 | caiqian | Nwallins: you built them. |
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| 02:51.22 | FieldySnuts | gnome is becoming almost as bloated and lame as kde |
| 02:51.27 | sgeigerbot | zignig: why not more? :-) (I know...I'm not impressed.) |
| 02:51.28 | Nach | mv: `/usr/share/fonts/truetype/Arial.ttf' and `/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Arial.ttf' are the same file |
| 02:51.28 | Nach | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/msttcorefonts_1.2_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:51.28 | Nwallins | i just installed kernel-image.. haven't built it, i guess |
| 02:51.28 | dpkg | Nach: You are moron #67 |
| 02:51.32 | Led_Zeppelin | using apache 2, I enabled mod_rewrite, but none of my rules are being used... |
| 02:51.37 | mwilson | Considering the wide variety (even among just Linux distributions) of methods of configuring Sanma, NFS, and networking in general, I wonder how fscked up Gnome is going to have to be in order to deal with it. |
| 02:51.46 | Led_Zeppelin | I set up .htaccess file, but still no luck |
| 02:51.46 | Buuyo^ | dpkg Add me to that list if I'm not already on it please. |
| 02:51.47 | findme | how do I copy an audio cd ? |
| 02:51.47 | Nwallins | caiqian: ^^ |
| 02:51.48 | zignig | sgeigerbot: debian , needs a dependancy stripdown. |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | Buuyo^: i haven't a clue |
| 02:51.48 | Led_Zeppelin | can someone please help? |
| 02:51.48 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: It's time for XFce. |
| 02:51.52 | findme | how do I copy an audio cd to hard drive? |
| 02:51.53 | Buuyo^ | too bad |
| 02:52.01 | AlexW | so just extract 1-7 to it |
| 02:52.02 | gradzac | findme: use grip |
| 02:52.02 | sgeigerbot | zignig: that's probably not possible...is it? |
| 02:52.14 | zignig | sgeigerbot: I'm pissed at the ~50Mb of crud that the base install adds ( gcc , mutt blah blah blah) |
| 02:52.14 | findme | gradzac, thanks |
| 02:52.25 | Buuyo^ | heh 50MB |
| 02:52.26 | zignig | sgeigerbot: sure it is. |
| 02:52.28 | Buuyo^ | life shatteringly huge |
| 02:52.31 | sgeigerbot | findme: cdparanoia or cdda2wav |
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| 02:52.46 | Buuyo^ | It'll take all of 36 floppies to install that! |
| 02:52.49 | Xenguy | findme: grip is easiest me thinks |
| 02:52.56 | caiqian | Nwallins: when you built kernel, it's there. |
| 02:52.58 | zignig | Buuyo^: I don't want gcc installed on public servers, so I need to post remove it. |
| 02:53.13 | Buuyo^ | Ahh. That's not so hard though. |
| 02:53.37 | zignig | Buuyo^: its not , but I'd rather it didn't install it in the first place. |
| 02:53.40 | sgeigerbot | findme: grip or ripperx are also great options (gui) |
| 02:53.44 | findme | sgeigerbot, Xenguy gradzac thanks, you rock |
| 02:53.51 | AlexW | Buuyo^, so extract all isos to /var/www/html/debian |
| 02:53.52 | Nwallins | caiqian: i just installed the package. i don't think i 'built' the kernel |
| 02:53.56 | AlexW | then point the netinst to http://alex |
| 02:54.08 | Buuyo^ | zignig I'd prefer it if they didn't put all of those hydrogenated products in my food. |
| 02:54.16 | aokaze | Can someone tell me if there is a keystroke or something to change vsync rate because currently its running at 54.7hz and its makeing me dizzy |
| 02:54.37 | caiqian | Nwallins: that must be some external drivers |
| 02:54.38 | mwilson | Oh, yippee... gedit is going to be more "developer friendly". Does that mean it's going to actually be a usable editor now? Considering that 99% of developers are using either emacs or vim, does it actually matter what gedit does? |
| 02:54.42 | mrwill | aokaze: think you need to change that in xfree86 config file and restart x server. |
| 02:54.52 | Nwallins | caiqian: yeah.. linux-wlan-ng |
| 02:54.59 | Buuyo^ | mwilson If it matters, it'll be a pretty big controversy |
| 02:55.07 | Buuyo^ | and vim and emacs will have it in their next releases |
| 02:55.10 | mrwill | mwilson: they probably mean web developers, not developer developers. |
| 02:55.24 | pipeline | Gedit is too slow for anyone to use. |
| 02:55.32 | mwilson | Like I care what web "developers" do. |
| 02:55.33 | Buuyo^ | emacs too |
| 02:55.36 | pipeline | hah |
| 02:55.38 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 02:55.41 | pipeline | Have you ever TRIED gedit? |
| 02:55.43 | pipeline | Good god it's lame |
| 02:55.48 | mwilson | Other than to make sure I can ignore whatever crap they put out. |
| 02:55.51 | pipeline | It takes ten to thirty seconds to load an ordinary text file |
| 02:55.53 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: sorry - I think I can get by if I can just add a route on the two hosts I want to fastnat |
| 02:55.58 | aokaze | on the config file its already set as VertRefresh 43-75 but if its a range like that isnt there a way to keystroke through that range? |
| 02:56.00 | Buuyo^ | I've never actually given emacs a fair try. |
| 02:56.02 | mwilson | pipeline: It used to be longer. |
| 02:56.02 | Guerin | gedit is notepad for gnome |
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| 02:56.03 | caiqian | Nwallins: what's the problem there? |
| 02:56.05 | mrwill | pipeline: I'm not defending it. |
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| 02:56.08 | Buuyo^ | I don't think gedit is going to get it |
| 02:56.17 | Nwallins | i don't have a .tmp_versions |
| 02:56.17 | Buuyo^ | as it stands, my editors of choice are vim and ultraedit32 |
| 02:56.18 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 02:56.24 | bucky | us Kwrite |
| 02:56.28 | tdfc | I compiled my 2.4.29 kernel with via-rhine support built-in and it doesn't see my dlink 530tx adapter, any idea what could be wrong ? |
| 02:56.33 | Buuyo^ | Although the MSVS source editor in vs.net is pretty nice |
| 02:56.35 | Buuyo^ | for xml anyway |
| 02:56.37 | pipeline | I'll stick to emacs until the end of time. Not because I want to, but because I have no choice. |
| 02:56.38 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I tried doing something like route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 last nihgt, but it didn't seem to work |
| 02:56.42 | Buuyo^ | It's too bad it isn't smart. |
| 02:56.46 | p8m | OMG emacs is sooo huge, a whole 4.3 megs |
| 02:56.47 | caiqian | aokaze: xvidtune |
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| 02:56.57 | mwilson | And here they are, adding more features to Evocrap. Of course, they haven't fixed the simple problems, like its inability to deal with its own mail store without spitting out error after error after error. |
| 02:57.04 | Guerin | um, emacs is a bit more than 5MB |
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| 02:57.16 | abrotman | mwilson: no problems here :) |
| 02:57.20 | mwilson | But YES, we need a new plugin architecture for Evocrap! |
| 02:57.31 | Buuyo^ | ATIMMC is using 48,020K right now |
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| 02:57.36 | mwilson | abrotman: Run it from a console sometime. |
| 02:57.38 | p8m | The binary is: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.3M 2004-10-16 11:26 /usr/bin/emacs21-x :P |
| 02:57.38 | Buuyo^ | and it's just hung there like a horses balls |
| 02:57.42 | Buuyo^ | I can't even end task it |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | mwilson: bah .. no gnome app works right that way :) |
| 02:57.54 | caiqian | If you build kernel by yourself, you have that. Otherwise you need to look at linux-wlan maillist. |
| 02:58.03 | mwilson | abrotman: You're funny. |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | mwilson: i'n not joking |
| 02:58.26 | Buuyo^ | I'm scruffy |
| 02:58.45 | Nwallins | caiqian: is there a simple command to build the kernel? (do i use kernel-source or the source kernel-image package?) |
| 02:58.49 | Buuyo^ | I can't find my shaving scissors either |
| 02:58.53 | Buuyo^ | oh noes. ;) |
| 02:59.02 | Nach | Can someone help me apt-get? For some reason tonight it's failing inexplicably |
| 02:59.03 | Guerin | p8m: oh, because a binary is the only thing you need to run... |
| 02:59.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 689] by debhelper |
| 02:59.05 | Buuyo^ | I may just have to go in to an exam tomorrow looking like a cowboy. |
| 02:59.07 | mrwill | Nwallins: make-kpkg is the right way to build a kernel. |
| 02:59.14 | mrwill | Nach: what errors? |
| 02:59.19 | Nwallins | mrwill: ah yes, thanks |
| 02:59.22 | mwilson | abrotman: Try it sometime... start evocrap cold, watch it first create ~/.evolution, then spend eternity whining about how there's something wrong with the directory structure IT created. |
| 02:59.33 | aokaze | hmmm I am in vidtune but I dont see common terms for me to adjust properly. |
| 02:59.35 | Nach | mrwill: /var/cache/apt/archives/msttcorefonts_1.2_all.deb |
| 02:59.35 | Nach | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:59.36 | foxbat | Nwallins: http://tonto.tjs.org/~bchoward/doc/debian_kernel.txt |
| 02:59.55 | Nach | mrwill, and right before it said All done, no errors. |
| 02:59.55 | Nach | All fonts downloaded and installed. |
| 03:00.01 | mrwill | Nach: tried apt-get -F? |
| 03:00.06 | abrotman | mwilson: i just started it . without removing .evolution . and it still threw errors |
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| 03:00.11 | mrwill | Nach: think that is fix-broken. |
| 03:00.18 | Guerin | Nach: apt-get -f install |
| 03:00.20 | abrotman | it's trying to convert charsets |
| 03:00.34 | mrwill | Nach: ah, yes, small f, listen to Guerin |
| 03:00.39 | mwilson | abrotman: But *it* created the damn directories! Broken, like I said. |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | mwilson: filed a bug? |
| 03:00.57 | caiqian | aokaze: using the buttons at the bottom to adjust. |
| 03:01.04 | mwilson | abrotman: Against evocrap? Hell no, why would I? |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | mwilson: i find many things broken lately .. totem/xine are totally borked |
| 03:01.18 | caiqian | aokaze: using the buttons at the bottom to adjust |
| 03:01.27 | mwilson | Xine is broken by design, I dunno about totem, never found any reason to bother with it. |
| 03:01.31 | caiqian | aokaze: the Vertical Sync is the right place. |
| 03:01.45 | abrotman | mwilson: it's just the gnome frontend to xibe |
| 03:01.45 | findme | what is m3u format for audio ? |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | err xine |
| 03:01.50 | Guerin | totem is just a cwrapper around xine or gstreamer |
| 03:01.56 | Guerin | both of which are braindead |
| 03:01.59 | Nwallins | mrwill: `make-kpgk` from kernel-source or kernel-image? (the linux-wlan-ng docs had me `apt-get install source kernal-image`) |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | and broken |
| 03:02.08 | AlexW | wheres the netinst cd |
| 03:02.22 | caiqian | findme: Is it playlist file? |
| 03:02.37 | findme | caiqian, no output of grip |
| 03:02.50 | fdarling | does anyone here like Descent? (d1x) |
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| 03:03.26 | mrwill | Nwallins: I'd probably use kernel-source, though it should be the same as the source of the kernel-image package corresponding to it. |
| 03:03.27 | Nach | mrwill, doesn't fix the situation, it just dies for no apparent reason :/ |
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| 03:03.38 | caiqian | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.43 | aokaze | I guess xvidtune is borked cause I cannot realy do anything with it |
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| 03:03.47 | Nwallins | mrwill: thanks |
| 03:03.47 | AlexW | can someone point me to the netinst cd |
| 03:03.50 | arnex | yep, it's fun. the controls are a bit tricky at first, but nonetheless a fun game |
| 03:03.54 | aokaze | pressing any of the buttons doesnt do anything |
| 03:03.56 | mwilson | Why would anyone who had a choice use Evocrap? |
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| 03:04.14 | findme | caiqian, not clear on what you are asking ? soz |
| 03:04.15 | caiqian | aokaze: Next Prev? |
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| 03:04.19 | mrwill | Nach: apt-get -f install packagename doesn't work. |
| 03:04.21 | mrwill | ? |
| 03:04.27 | Nach | mrwill, no |
| 03:04.30 | Guerin | mrwill: no packagename |
| 03:04.38 | Guerin | just apt-get -f install; |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | mwilson: i use it for my ISP mail that noone uses :) |
| 03:05.02 | Nach | Guerin, ah, this has apt continue, okay thanks |
| 03:05.13 | caiqian | findme: Do grip can process playlist? that is sigle text file. |
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| 03:05.27 | aokaze | pressing next or prev does nothing |
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| 03:05.31 | AlexW | where is the net install iso? |
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| 03:06.18 | nvz | sgeigerbot: you mean the Sams book, "Learn Everything In 24, 1 hour lessons? |
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| 03:06.51 | aokaze | hsync range 0: 28.00 - 50.00 |
| 03:06.51 | aokaze | vsync range 0: 43.00 - 75.00 |
| 03:06.56 | AlexW | :(:(:( |
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| 03:06.59 | aokaze | but I cannot move through that range |
| 03:07.19 | nsanity | So how exactly is ipsec supported in 2.6? |
| 03:07.30 | caiqian | aokaze: shorter taller? |
| 03:07.34 | AlexW | thanks mrwill |
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| 03:07.46 | mrwill | AlexW: sure, good luck! |
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| 03:07.52 | Guerin | nsanity: it's written in C, in the kernel. |
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| 03:07.59 | caiqian | aokaze: The best way is to get your video card driver installed. |
| 03:08.15 | nsanity | Guerin: Am I supposed to be using freeswan? |
| 03:08.22 | Guerin | nsanity: badger? |
| 03:08.29 | AlexW | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:08.31 | AlexW | correct? |
| 03:08.40 | nsanity | Guerin: badger? |
| 03:08.41 | aokaze | shorter and taller work but not enough. It changes about 3 hz from what it is |
| 03:08.47 | Guerin | AlexW: the name of that image tells you exactly what it is |
| 03:08.56 | NP_complete | such a fucking mess, Woody CD1 doen't have kernel sources for 2.4.18, such a mess |
| 03:08.56 | aokaze | video card driver installed? how do I go about that? |
| 03:09.01 | AlexW | lol |
| 03:09.13 | AlexW | im not an expert with debian so im just wondering |
| 03:09.14 | Guerin | nsanity: i'm trying to guide you to ask a real question, by giving you useless answers to your useless questions. |
| 03:09.33 | nsanity | Guerin: Ah. |
| 03:09.51 | caiqian | aokaze: I don't know either. Maybe man xvidtune can help |
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| 03:10.15 | MobyTurbo | NP_complete: next thing you'll be complaining about is why does Sarge's 14 CDs not fit on one CD. |
| 03:10.15 | nsanity | Guerin: Which programs do I use to use IPsec capabilities? |
| 03:10.22 | loke | you guys use psybnc? |
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| 03:10.39 | nsanity | Guerin: err, sorry didn't mean to direct that directly at you. |
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| 03:11.12 | Ketter | nsanity: for goodness sake.. for what is it that you want to use ipsec in the first place ? |
| 03:11.15 | NP_complete | i think tha kernel sources, are basic! now yo can see me messing around, burning a lot of CDR |
| 03:11.19 | aokaze | anyway I am useing the NV driver as it is |
| 03:11.29 | nsanity | Ketter: I'm trying to setup an IPsec with a smoothwall firewall |
| 03:11.45 | MobyTurbo | NP_complete: just apt-get them after you've installed woody |
| 03:11.49 | NP_complete | Woody should have kernel source, on his 1st CD |
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| 03:12.00 | NP_complete | Moby, not connected to the net |
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| 03:12.08 | caiqian | aokaze: I think you'd better using nvidia driver. |
| 03:12.16 | Ketter | nsanity: fine, now.. do you have any clue what ipsec does ? |
| 03:12.18 | bob2 | NP_complete: just install sarge, duh |
| 03:12.25 | NP_complete | hahahah |
| 03:12.28 | NP_complete | dacuerdo |
| 03:12.33 | nsanity | Ketter: Yes, I've set it up before. But just not on Linux... *BSD only. |
| 03:12.39 | MobyTurbo | NP_complete: if you're not connected to the net, then what are you doing with only one CD image? |
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| 03:13.00 | Ketter | nsanity: don't try and make it more complicated then it is then.. and use the same approach |
| 03:13.13 | aokaze | isnt nv the nvidia driver? |
| 03:13.17 | bob2 | yes |
| 03:13.19 | bob2 | the Free one |
| 03:13.24 | NP_complete | i thought it wear a valid 3c59x driver. |
| 03:13.32 | NP_complete | now i'm fucked up |
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| 03:13.39 | bob2 | NP_complete: I'm pretty sure woody inclyudes that driver anyway |
| 03:13.59 | NP_complete | bob2, it just doesn't work |
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| 03:14.10 | bob2 | yeah, dbuegging is for wusses |
| 03:14.13 | NP_complete | I have a A7N8X deluxe |
| 03:14.24 | nsanity | Ketter: eh, I'm not attempting to make it more complicated. I'm merely confused because the command ipsecadm doesn't exist. |
| 03:14.25 | jmstacey | in /etc/network/interfaces, what do I use to specifiy dns servers? |
| 03:14.27 | nvz | MobyTurbo: good idea |
| 03:14.52 | foxbat | jmstacey: you specify dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:14.54 | biohazrd | jmstacey ... in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:15.01 | sm | hi all.. where's a good howto for setting up a jail on debian ? |
| 03:15.02 | NP_complete | can i just try, to "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.9-2-k7" ? |
| 03:15.05 | Ketter | nsanity: I said, same approach != exact same commands.. |
| 03:15.13 | NP_complete | can i just try, to "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.9-2-k7.deb" ? |
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| 03:15.25 | abrotman | nvz: arrest it!! |
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| 03:15.41 | Ketter | nsanity: first of all, find some documentation about setting up ipsec, just ipsec and nothing more nothing less.. |
| 03:15.43 | nsanity | Ketter: understood, but all of the commands I keep seeing involve editing /etc/ipsec.conf which is FreeSwann |
| 03:15.43 | rps | has xorg worked its way into testing yet? (if not, will it) |
| 03:15.47 | abrotman | no |
| 03:15.51 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 03:15.51 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 03:15.51 | caiqian | NP_complete: presupplied deb don't have that file either. |
| 03:15.56 | Ketter | nsanity: and so forth.. |
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| 03:16.07 | jmstacey | biohazrd: do I just use nameserver for each one, or nameserver2 etc? |
| 03:16.16 | sgeigerbot | nvz: yes...that's the book. |
| 03:16.22 | NP_complete | caiqian, what? |
| 03:16.28 | biohazrd | nameserver |
| 03:16.29 | harca | are there any place with the .deb of this new beta kde? |
| 03:16.36 | foxbat | NP_complete: building your own kernel really is pretty easy - http://tonto.tjs.org/~bchoward/doc/debian_kernel.txt |
| 03:16.36 | jmstacey | biohazrd: thanks |
| 03:16.38 | biohazrd | np |
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| 03:16.50 | chealer | harca: no, and #debian-kde |
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| 03:16.54 | Led_Zeppelin | in Apache 2, where are you supposed to put your mod_rewrite rules? in a .htaccess or somewhere else/ |
| 03:16.57 | harca | ok |
| 03:16.58 | harca | thnx |
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| 03:17.15 | caiqian | NP_complete: presupplied deb don't have .tmp_version either. You should download a tarball and build using make... |
| 03:17.24 | NP_complete | ok |
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| 03:17.41 | foxbat | NP_complete: see above comment for how to build your own kernel |
| 03:17.42 | AlexW | so can i see an example of what http://alex/debian should look like? |
| 03:17.42 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: try this: sudo route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 |
| 03:17.52 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I did |
| 03:18.02 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: exactly what I typed? |
| 03:18.04 | Ketter | nsanity: okay.. humor me, and see if you can find the same url (http://www.fukt.bth.se/~teddy/debian-ipsec) while searching with google.. |
| 03:18.04 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I now have a route that shows up in route -n |
| 03:18.11 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 03:18.12 | abrotman | !fuck comcast dns |
| 03:18.13 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: ok |
| 03:18.21 | NP_complete | Please, keep in mind, i don't have kernel-package!!! |
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| 03:18.35 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:18.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:18.39 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: eagles baby???? |
| 03:18.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: it's too bad you can't use dpkg to do that to the clueless executives... |
| 03:18.41 | AlexW | i have extracted the isos to /var/www/html/debian |
| 03:18.44 | biohazrd | what sucks most about comcast is the switch to giganews.. |
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| 03:18.48 | AlexW | so what should it look like? |
| 03:18.56 | biohazrd | they now limit bandwidth usage |
| 03:18.58 | foxbat | sgeiger: the route shows 0.0.0.0 as the gateway, which is right, since I want packets destined to any host in the 192 subnet to have that host's mac addr as its destination |
| 03:19.24 | biohazrd | gotta run... movie time |
| 03:19.24 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: not a big fan .. i like football .. but i was pulling for big ben or peyton :( |
| 03:19.24 | NP_complete | can i just try "dpkg -i kernel-image.i386.deb" ??? |
| 03:19.28 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: but hopefully the city doesn't explode |
| 03:19.33 | foxbat | sgeiger: however, for some reason, when I tcpdump on a host on the 192.168.1.0 and try to ping from the 10.1.1.0 host wit the added route, I hear nothing |
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| 03:19.42 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'd rather not see my boss cum/come |
| 03:19.51 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: lol yea.... |
| 03:19.54 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: granted, it shouldn't work, since there's no route back, but I shoudl at least be seeing icmp packets |
| 03:19.54 | NP_complete | or, try to compile 2.6.10, over woody? |
| 03:19.59 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: perhaps you need to add another gateway. |
| 03:20.01 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: got issues with mod_rewrite again. |
| 03:20.09 | aokaze | hmmm my idea didnt work too great... I tried changeing the sync to one result like I did with the resolution but it messed things up |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: you broke it? |
| 03:20.16 | caiqian | NP_complete: no! using precompiled kernel is wrong. try to fetch from kernel.org. woody isn't work |
| 03:20.17 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: not the rules, but apache 2 won't read my rules! |
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| 03:20.30 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ok |
| 03:20.37 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: rules work, just apache is not recogining them at all...need some help with that. |
| 03:20.45 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I don't know.... this is all very complicated |
| 03:20.46 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: which file did you put them in? |
| 03:20.48 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman; apache 2 now though...using 1.3.x before |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: which file? |
| 03:21.01 | NP_complete | is a good chance to download a sarge installer iso? |
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| 03:21.12 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: I wonder what would happen if you tried to add a gateway for that other network... |
| 03:21.15 | NP_complete | which kind of kernel has sarge? |
| 03:21.33 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: in 1.3 I had them in .htaccess, but on the net I see people using httpd.conf for it. |
| 03:21.34 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: prehaps something like this: sudo route add gw 10.0.0.1 |
| 03:21.35 | abrotman | NP_complete: 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 03:21.40 | joujou | what's user mode +i? |
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| 03:21.50 | joujou | and +e? |
| 03:22.01 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: ...only don't put the word "default" in there (this would probably be wrong: "sudo route add default gw 192.168.100.1") |
| 03:22.05 | thenuke | I used debian installer, how do I restart that package manager what is used at the end of install? |
| 03:22.08 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: I'm no expert in these things... |
| 03:22.11 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I just need the route from 10.1.1.10 to the 192.168.1.0 network |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: so why not use httpd.conf .. or the available sites file ? |
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| 03:22.29 | thenuke | or should I apt-get some better installer? |
| 03:22.31 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: I am...still no cigar |
| 03:22.31 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: adding a default gw on the 192 would be disasteriously wrong |
| 03:22.31 | Led_Zeppelin | RewriteEngine on |
| 03:22.31 | Led_Zeppelin | RewriteLog "logs/rewrite.log" |
| 03:22.31 | Led_Zeppelin | RewriteLogLevel 5 |
| 03:22.31 | Led_Zeppelin | RewriteRule ^alice.html$ bob.html |
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| 03:22.34 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: hmmm. |
| 03:22.37 | AlexW | *stabs himself* |
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| 03:22.37 | AlexW | :P |
| 03:22.39 | Led_Zeppelin | sorry |
| 03:22.41 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: oh come now .. |
| 03:22.46 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: my bad |
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| 03:22.53 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I don't want the box to think it can reach the greater internet through this route |
| 03:22.55 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: goto #flood, and I will show you what I got |
| 03:23.08 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: but I don't think the 10.1.1.1 router would know what to do |
| 03:23.10 | foxbat | I'll try it though |
| 03:23.13 | NP_complete | Will sarge-netinst suport my A7N8x-deluxe 3Com device?? |
| 03:23.17 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: don't... |
| 03:23.25 | caiqian | NP_complete: apt-cache search wlan |
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| 03:23.34 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: there... |
| 03:23.39 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: I dont' understand what you are doing...so don't do that. |
| 03:23.43 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: ok .. but .. why doesn't it work? |
| 03:23.44 | NP_complete | wlan? |
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| 03:23.52 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: now, when I goto alice.html, I should goto bob.html |
| 03:24.00 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: none of those rules are working now! |
| 03:24.01 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: you tried putting it in the /etc/httpd/active-sites/defaultXX ? |
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| 03:24.26 | caiqian | NP_complete: There are some precompiled drivers packages for 2.4.27 in SID |
| 03:24.56 | caiqian | NP_complete: linux-wlan-ng, do you need this? |
| 03:25.02 | Borgon | how many installations come with debian? |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:25.13 | NP_complete | no |
| 03:25.24 | sgeigerbot | Borgon: as many as you install. No licensing restrictions. ;-) |
| 03:25.33 | NP_complete | I think sarge-netinst will roll fine. |
| 03:25.37 | brendan_ | hi |
| 03:25.37 | brendan_ | is there a way to speedup hotplug |
| 03:25.40 | Borgon | oops i mean how many cds come with the debian installations? |
| 03:25.40 | brendan_ | it takes a while to boot |
| 03:25.41 | NP_complete | if it has a 2.6 |
| 03:25.53 | brendan_ | *startup |
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| 03:26.14 | caiqian | NP_complete: I don't know if sarge have 2.6.x |
| 03:26.16 | sgeigerbot | Borgon: all you need is the Debian installer and an internet connection. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 03:27.07 | fraxtal | Borgon: I think I have 5 or 6 |
| 03:27.09 | Patrick_ | anyone tried mysql in debian? |
| 03:27.31 | bighead | anyone know how'd I cat all the lines of a file as one line? (remove all newlines?) |
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| 03:27.51 | bob2 | Patrick_: it's best to ask non-vague questions |
| 03:28.10 | nvz | bighead: cat file | sed s/\n//g |
| 03:28.11 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: score |
| 03:28.12 | nvz | i think |
| 03:28.13 | bob2 | Borgon: of the 7 woody cds, I believe the first 5 are bootable |
| 03:28.22 | bighead | nvz: ah! I forgot the g |
| 03:28.22 | bob2 | I'm pretty sure sed doesn't work like that |
| 03:28.24 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: so you have to add a static route before you can set a gateway |
| 03:28.29 | bob2 | you want to use 'tr' |
| 03:28.33 | Patrick_ | ok then, do i need the mysql-client if im going to have the mysql-server |
| 03:28.37 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: so route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 |
| 03:28.38 | bighead | don't work nvz :-/ |
| 03:28.46 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: so route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 |
| 03:28.50 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: you figured it out? |
| 03:28.52 | nvz | bighead: man tr, bob2 said |
| 03:29.03 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: now my box on the 192.168.1.0 is at least getting the packets |
| 03:29.14 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: I think this is going to work now |
| 03:29.19 | bob2 | Patrick_: look at what's in it. mysql-server is the daemon, mysql-client is the client program 'mysql' (amonsgt other things). |
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| 03:29.22 | foxbat | sgeigerbot: many thanks for all your help |
| 03:29.24 | bighead | nvz, bob2: oh, thanks |
| 03:29.27 | sgeigerbot | foxbat: np |
| 03:29.29 | foxbat | Buuyo^: thanks for you help man |
| 03:29.34 | Borgon | AM totally new to the debian distro coming from slackware/redhat/bsd background... is it fairly simple to download the isos and install? |
| 03:29.34 | Borgon | Also whats the 3.0 r1/r2 ? what is that? am going to make debian the core of my server so which should i download? the current or the r3? |
| 03:29.37 | foxbat | take care all |
| 03:29.47 | Patrick_ | bob2, thanks |
| 03:29.50 | bob2 | Borgon: yes it is simple |
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| 03:29.59 | bob2 | Patrick_: (the package descriptions should have made that clear...) |
| 03:30.19 | bob2 | Borgon: they're different releases of Debian 3.0, basically just collecting all the security updates fro mthe past few months |
| 03:30.36 | bob2 | Borgon: if you install 3.0r0, then you can just as easily download the security fixes after install |
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| 03:31.05 | NP_complete | what kernel has sarge netinst? |
| 03:31.21 | bob2 | NP_complete: 2.6.8.1 and 2.4.27 |
| 03:31.23 | bob2 | iirc |
| 03:31.39 | Borgon | bob2, so i should download 3.0 r3? |
| 03:31.39 | Borgon | bob2, will i need to recompile the kernel also to patch against the new bugs? |
| 03:31.40 | Borgon | bob2, so basically the newest debian but with security updates made to it |
| 03:31.57 | bob2 | Borgon: as I said, it doesn't matter |
| 03:31.59 | NP_complete | dacuerdo |
| 03:31.59 | nsanity | Okay, so I'm attempting to use isakmpd |
| 03:32.11 | bob2 | Borgon: no, the debian security team releases new kernels to fix bugs |
| 03:32.15 | nsanity | virtual_bind_ADDR_ANY: could not allocate default IPv6 ISAKMP port(s): Protocol not available |
| 03:32.24 | bob2 | Borgon: the newest stable release, yes. which is from july 2002. |
| 03:32.30 | bob2 | NP_complete: why do you keep saying that? |
| 03:32.41 | bob2 | nsanity: is this a kernel you built yourself? |
| 03:32.42 | Borgon | bob2, ok, but will i need recompile and update my kernel? |
| 03:32.47 | gameover | where should i put my codecs in sarge? |
| 03:32.47 | bob2 | Borgon: 13:32:11 bob2 | Borgon: no, the debian security team releases new kernels to fix bugs |
| 03:32.51 | nsanity | bob2: yes |
| 03:32.52 | bob2 | gameover: "codecs"? |
| 03:32.56 | bob2 | nsanity: use a Debian one |
| 03:33.12 | Borgon | ok thank you |
| 03:33.12 | nsanity | bob2: I did export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=yes |
| 03:33.16 | gameover | bob2 ok "filters" |
| 03:33.30 | AlexW | hmm |
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| 03:33.48 | Borgon | Do any of you all know of a all in one lamp installer? |
| 03:33.58 | bob2 | gameover: for what? |
| 03:34.00 | gameover | bob2, the "codec" pack from mplayer.com says /usr/local/lib/codecs but that didnt work |
| 03:34.03 | bob2 | Borgon: er, you don't need one |
| 03:34.09 | gameover | bob2, to play my porn |
| 03:34.10 | bob2 | gameover: ah, yes, the mplayer devs are idiots |
| 03:34.18 | bob2 | gameover: /usr/lib/win32/ |
| 03:34.29 | AlexW | stupid windows |
| 03:34.31 | NP_complete | should i install Sarge, or SID? |
| 03:34.32 | bob2 | Borgon: sudo apt-get install mysql-server apache php4 |
| 03:34.36 | bob2 | NP_complete: sarge |
| 03:34.39 | AlexW | gotta hate it :P |
| 03:34.41 | NP_complete | why? |
| 03:34.48 | AlexW | its just so slow :p |
| 03:35.00 | lunaphyte | hi #debian. |
| 03:35.00 | AlexW | 3.0 P4 HT here |
| 03:35.04 | AlexW | 1GB ram |
| 03:35.09 | nsanity | bob2: is that a problem? |
| 03:35.13 | AlexW | 2 200GB Satas |
| 03:35.20 | AlexW | and it takes 5 mins to copy 700mb |
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| 03:35.37 | Borgon | bob2, ok i will look into it... i will be providing virtual server so i wanted for the client with no experience to install the sql/apache/php without much problem just 1 or 2 commands |
| 03:35.38 | NP_complete | dos sarge have a lot of software, like SID?, and recent versions, like SID? |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | !faq |
| 03:35.49 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:35.58 | AlexW | !win |
| 03:35.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, win is lose. |
| 03:36.01 | caiqian | gameover: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 03:36.08 | NP_complete | difenreces Sarge/Sid? |
| 03:36.10 | AlexW | !apt |
| 03:36.10 | dpkg | hmm... apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 03:36.11 | sgeigerbot | NP_complete: Debian has over 12,000 packages. yes...this is a heck of a lot. |
| 03:36.13 | chealer | NP_complete: because you asked, or because bob2 said it |
| 03:36.23 | caiqian | gameover: they had mplayer debs |
| 03:36.33 | chealer | NP_complete: http://debian.org/releases |
| 03:36.34 | sgeigerbot | NP_complete: from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | can we make dpkg spit out an random informational factoid on a timed basis? |
| 03:36.49 | bob2 | nsanity: er, it seems you forgot to include ipsec and ipv6 support |
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| 03:37.00 | bob2 | Borgon: why would they be installing it? |
| 03:37.12 | AlexW | well |
| 03:37.15 | AlexW | time to try netinst |
| 03:37.17 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: of course. |
| 03:37.26 | nsanity | bob2: hrm, cripes. I copied the .config from /boot and patched for my hardware nothing else. |
| 03:37.27 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: it's factoids are in a mysql database. |
| 03:37.33 | sgeigerbot | s/it'/it/ |
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| 03:37.35 | shai_ | hello... i'm trying to do a grep for two words ... grep 'man|mon' filename .... i'm trying to do an or between them but it doesn't work, does anybody know? |
| 03:37.52 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: right .. but a few select ones at fixed intervals .. liek every 10 minutes say something like |
| 03:37.53 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 03:37.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 03:37.56 | abrotman | etc |
| 03:38.05 | thd | I had thought that my slow dialup ppp on linux was the result of the older slower equipment that I had used formerly. Even now using 28.8K or 56K external modems connected via /dev/ttyS0 on systems with 16550 UARTS and 128MB RAM my best download rate is 900 B/sec. Changing MTU/MRU settings produces no noticeable benefits. Irqtune in the Debian package hwtools does not work and cannot be recompiled for version 2.4 kernals. The same machi |
| 03:38.06 | thd | nes that I am now using produce expected speeds on other operating systems. How can I improve dialup ppp perfrmance beyond 900 B/sec.? |
| 03:38.14 | sgeigerbot | shai_: grep -v will remove matches |
| 03:38.28 | cthulfuego | thd: Try a different ISP. |
| 03:38.32 | bob2 | nsanity: depends what config you copied |
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| 03:38.34 | Borgon | bob2, because it will be an option or choice for them.. i could install it so am looking for a script myself to do this because am trying to maximize automation |
| 03:38.45 | bob2 | Borgon: well, it's that one command |
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| 03:38.53 | shai_ | sgeigerbot, i just want to find this word *OR* another word... |
| 03:38.56 | bob2 | Borgon: tho you'd probably use apache2 on sarge |
| 03:39.00 | raz0r | can i run vmware with debian? |
| 03:39.11 | bob2 | raz0r: yes, but we can't support it, sorry |
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| 03:39.18 | cthulfuego | raz0r: I don't know, can you? |
| 03:39.18 | raz0r | what do you mean? |
| 03:39.18 | caiqian | shai_: man\|mon |
| 03:39.18 | gameover | hmm weird, i have 2 monitors, the porn plays on on the DVI not the db9 |
| 03:39.22 | nsanity | bob2: /boot/config-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:39.34 | AlexW | raz0r thats a preety simple answer |
| 03:39.34 | bob2 | nsanity: maybe you need to load modules then |
| 03:39.36 | bob2 | I don't know |
| 03:39.44 | chealer | NP_complete: also, you can get sid packages on sarge anyway for those you think will work better that way |
| 03:39.47 | AlexW | raz0r they won't help u install/use it is what he means |
| 03:39.48 | nsanity | bob2: that thought just crossed my mine |
| 03:39.50 | bob2 | raz0r: "if you need help, talk to the vmware company you gave your money to" |
| 03:39.50 | nsanity | mind* |
| 03:40.03 | KlaasVaag | hi ppls.. it tried running X: I used apt to install x-window-system and xserver-xfree86.. when issueing 'startx' i receive the following fatal error: failed to initialize core devices.. what does this point to? |
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| 03:40.05 | raz0r | oh aright |
| 03:40.11 | shai_ | caiqian, thanks man |
| 03:40.12 | AlexW | bob2, who said he bought it :P |
| 03:40.12 | KlaasVaag | owh.. and i _did_ run xf86config |
| 03:40.25 | raz0r | haha |
| 03:40.26 | cthulfuego | KlaasVaag: You shouldn't. |
| 03:40.28 | bucky | Borgon, http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html |
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| 03:40.30 | cthulfuego | !sing bob2 |
| 03:40.30 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
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| 03:40.47 | bob2 | KlaasVaag: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:41.19 | Zetabyte | Hey, all, I'm trying to write a script to do some automated configuration, and I was wondering what the best way is to do a find/replace in a text file, from within a bash script, in a cross-distro-portable way? |
| 03:41.19 | lunaphyte | is there a way to install a single file from a certain package (to restore something i've borked beyond remembering how it was)? |
| 03:41.33 | altec94 | i was told I could get "friendly" help from here. is that true? |
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| 03:41.36 | AlexW | debian is alot more advanced then fedors |
| 03:41.37 | bob2 | Zetabyte: that sort of thing is horribly unportable |
| 03:41.38 | cthulfuego | ln -sf /usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/bin/sussudio |
| 03:41.38 | AlexW | fedora |
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| 03:41.44 | Zetabyte | i was afraid of that =/ |
| 03:41.48 | bob2 | Zetabyte: if you're serious about it, try using gnome-system-tools as a backend |
| 03:41.50 | Borgon | bob2, why apache2 for sarge? i really like 1.3 |
| 03:41.51 | Buuyo^ | 3 lines of comment, one line of code. |
| 03:41.51 | Borgon | bucky, very very nice |
| 03:41.53 | Buuyo^ | I love linux |
| 03:41.53 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 03:42.00 | Etranger | Hi here, anyone knows how to overcome the lftp limitation i'm confronted to? It will agree to mirror a ftp but will hangwhen confronted to a lerge file ... ? |
| 03:42.00 | bob2 | it has already done the legwork for lots of distros |
| 03:42.06 | AlexW | b_52GM |
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| 03:42.11 | cthulfuego | AlexW: They have the same set of software, debian is just more stable and less dumbed down by default. |
| 03:42.12 | bob2 | Etranger: 2gb? |
| 03:42.16 | Etranger | no |
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| 03:42.27 | Etranger | more like 32 meg |
| 03:42.33 | thd | cthulfuego: I have tried a different ISP to worse results in the past. I do not see how the ISP would affect performance differently between different OSs. |
| 03:42.40 | bob2 | the simple solution is to use something less crap than ftp |
| 03:42.41 | bob2 | like rsync |
| 03:42.47 | caiqian | lunaphyte: download a deb, and extract the file. |
| 03:42.49 | bob2 | tho it should work |
| 03:42.52 | Etranger | hm |
| 03:42.58 | cthulfuego | thd: Oh,l I didn't see you mention it was faster under other OSes. |
| 03:43.13 | cthulfuego | bzftp? |
| 03:43.21 | Zetabyte | I have to create an easy-to-use distribution of a few different tarballs, and the makefiles have hardcoded prefixes. I basically just want to find the line "PREFIX=blah" in the file and replace it with "PREFIX=$myprefix", the value from my script. it's just one line.... is this not feasible in a portable way at all? |
| 03:43.25 | bucky | Zetabyte, dpkg --purge <package> && apt-get install <package> |
| 03:43.45 | bob2 | Zetabyte: oh, sure |
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| 03:44.09 | Zetabyte | if oooonly they were available in .debs =/ |
| 03:44.09 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: you would just run a cron job to do a select on the database. SELECT * FROM tablename ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1; |
| 03:44.11 | bob2 | Zetabyte: if they use autoconf, just make a oneline shell script for each distro that does './configure --prefix=/usr/' etc |
| 03:44.14 | bucky | Zetabyte, ./configure --prefix= |
| 03:44.27 | Goldfisch2 | Where is a good channel suited for 2.6 kernel build questions? |
| 03:44.30 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i don't run dpkg .. |
| 03:44.39 | AlexW | i loaded netinst cd |
| 03:44.40 | Zetabyte | i tried that, it doesn't seem to modify the makefiles in the subdirectories. |
| 03:44.47 | AlexW | got past detecting cdroms |
| 03:44.53 | AlexW | now its just a blue screen? |
| 03:44.55 | Zetabyte | ok, do you guys remember gcc-2.7.x? =( |
| 03:45.02 | thd | cthulfuego: checking bzftp now, but this is also an http issue. |
| 03:45.02 | lunaphyte | caiqian: thanks. |
| 03:45.06 | bob2 | Zetabyte: hahaha |
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| 03:45.14 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: that makes two of us. |
| 03:45.17 | bob2 | Zetabyte: what sort of ridiculously old target platform is this? |
| 03:45.21 | Zetabyte | dlx-elf. |
| 03:45.27 | Zetabyte | for an operating systems class. |
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| 03:45.38 | Zetabyte | *giggles* |
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| 03:45.58 | altec94 | hey, sorry to but in but I really need some help |
| 03:46.00 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i just thought it might be ... interesting .. |
| 03:46.06 | AlexW | mrwill, its just a blue screen now? |
| 03:46.12 | AlexW | after the cd detection |
| 03:46.13 | Borgon | bucky, the way it installs it would be easy to manage via webmin? what if they want to upgrade apache or php independtly? |
| 03:46.15 | keith__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.26 | Zetabyte | i kinda figured throwing "gcc-2.7.x" out there would explain the situation properly =) |
| 03:46.34 | KlaasVaag | bob2: cthulfuego: i tried both your options.. both failed.. same problem persists.. |
| 03:46.37 | Goldfisch2 | I was wondering why I have to manually create the /usr/src/linux/include/asm soft link everytime. I didn't have to do that in the past, but 2.6 seems to demand it. |
| 03:46.38 | bucky | Borgon, you install it by untaring it into opt |
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| 03:46.55 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: er, what are you linking it to? |
| 03:47.01 | helloyo | really quick samba question, with a share can i quickly make it available to anyone? |
| 03:47.18 | Goldfisch2 | I have been linking it to asm-i386. It works, but it seems kludgy to do this one manual step. |
| 03:47.19 | bucky | Borgon, if it doesn't have enough features for you then you have to dl the src from them and rebuild |
| 03:47.49 | Borgon | bucky, i understand that but i mean... once its installed, is it easy to manage to upgrade something by itself... I dont want it to be interconnected whereas you touch 1 thing and everything breaks |
| 03:47.53 | AlexW | Maybe debian is not made for my computer :p |
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| 03:48.07 | abrotman | or you're not made for debian? |
| 03:48.22 | AlexW | well |
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| 03:48.31 | AlexW | why does every bit of debian never work :P |
| 03:48.37 | Growly | agreed |
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| 03:48.46 | Growly | is the right place to ask for help? |
| 03:48.49 | KlaasVaag | i like debian a lot for servers.. but as soon as i try running X, it gives me issues :P |
| 03:48.49 | Goldfisch2 | I use the fakeroot make-kpkg commands as I read on http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html to generate Debian kernel packages |
| 03:48.50 | AlexW | well im sure we all needed help |
| 03:49.01 | AlexW | is there anything i can do? |
| 03:49.03 | Growly | alrighty then |
| 03:49.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 699] by debhelper |
| 03:49.07 | Gumby | when I compile a new kernel, two packages are made.. kernel-source-2.6.10-2005.01.23_Custom.1_all.deb and kernel-source-2.6.10-2005.01.23_Custom.1_i386.deb. what does all include that i386 doesnt? just kernels for ppc, i586, i686? if this is so how do I just use i686 ? |
| 03:49.13 | bucky | Borgon, you mean like "Upgrading from MySQL 4.0.x to MySQL 4.1.x may be risky. You may encounter problems with your old 4.0 data" |
| 03:49.41 | Growly | when i try and compile kernel 2.6.10, i get through make menuconfig, then make modules, but make modules_install quits with make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
| 03:49.50 | bucky | Borgon, if you want to upgrade painlessly then you need apt-get |
| 03:50.04 | bucky | forget about xampp |
| 03:50.05 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: I've never seen or heard of that before |
| 03:50.12 | Goldfisch2 | Gumby: I get kernel-image-xxx files made, you don't? |
| 03:50.32 | caiqian | Growly: make clean first |
| 03:50.36 | Growly | make clean? |
| 03:50.40 | Growly | holy crap. |
| 03:50.44 | Borgon | bucky, not that.. for example if i give this to someone in a virtual server this seems like a great auto install, but if they want something different, am afraid they will be tied down understand what i mean? |
| 03:50.56 | sgeigerbot | dpkg who is your daddy? |
| 03:50.57 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: I think you lost me on that one |
| 03:50.59 | AlexW | so can anybody help me |
| 03:51.04 | Goldfisch2 | bob2: I just downloaded 2.6.10 (I am running 2.6.9) to give it a whirl. I copied in .config, and did a make menuconfig. It barfs, because underneath include, there is no asm folder. The link to the arch isn't there yet. |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | !tell Growly about kp |
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| 03:51.13 | abrotman | dpkg: whos your daddy |
| 03:51.13 | dpkg | Alan Turing |
| 03:51.24 | Growly | i tried kpkg, it crashed with the same error |
| 03:51.24 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: ok, but I've still never heard of it happening |
| 03:51.25 | brendan_ | has anyone had experince using the printconf package |
| 03:51.32 | bucky | Borgon, xampp is not easy to upgrade |
| 03:51.34 | chealer | dpkg: I want to be your brother |
| 03:51.34 | dpkg | chealer: no idea |
| 03:51.35 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: maybe something else is broken on your system that prevents it figuring out your arch |
| 03:51.41 | keith__ | Debian3.0r4. cups. I can get a test print but but can't get any of the applications to print out. Can anyone help? |
| 03:51.42 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: what i'm really wondering is who runs that bot |
| 03:51.50 | Gumby | Goldfisch2: my bad... I see a kernel-image and a kernel-source |
| 03:52.03 | bucky | Borgon, but and idiot can install it and it has everything but the kitchen sink in it |
| 03:52.06 | Goldfisch2 | bob2: I can believe that. |
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| 03:52.32 | bucky | Borgon, and to remove it you just rm -rf /opt/xampp |
| 03:52.41 | Growly | is the compile order make -> make modules -> make clean -> make modules_install? |
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| 03:53.03 | AlexW | i give up :P |
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| 03:53.36 | caiqian | Growly: AFAIK, make clean; make bzImage; make modules_install |
| 03:53.44 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: does looking through the make output carefully show anything? |
| 03:53.46 | Borgon | bucky, right, is it compatible with webmin once i install? |
| 03:53.50 | Growly | oooh. |
| 03:53.58 | cthulfuego | Growly: make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 03:54.11 | dickiebooz | do alot of people have problems installing ALSA .. and getting there sound card installed? |
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| 03:54.21 | cthulfuego | dickiebooz: no. |
| 03:54.25 | Growly | cthulfuego: I tried that, it packed a fit with the same error |
| 03:54.26 | mrwill | dickiebooz: depends on how stupid they are. |
| 03:54.33 | bucky | Borgon, no, that's another thing.. you're confined to administering it the xampp way |
| 03:54.42 | Goldfisch2 | Growly: fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20050123 kernel_image <-- that will task on version number .20050123 to your kernel as an identifier |
| 03:54.43 | dickiebooz | ok then i must be stupid |
| 03:54.53 | bucky | Borgon, what does webmin do for you btw |
| 03:54.54 | Goldfisch2 | s/task/tack/ |
| 03:54.54 | mwilson | I had no problem installing ALSA, because I saw no reason to use it. |
| 03:54.55 | cthulfuego | Growly: Run make-kpkg through 'fakeroot' |
| 03:54.58 | mrwill | dickiebooz: just ask a real question, and we might be able to help you. |
| 03:55.11 | kenboo | is there a command that reverses lines of stdinput ? |
| 03:55.19 | kenboo | (until EOF) |
| 03:55.20 | cthulfuego | Growly: Hold on, you building a 2.6 kernel on a box that's running a 2.4 kernel? |
| 03:55.20 | Growly | wow, so much knowledge |
| 03:55.25 | Growly | yeah |
| 03:55.27 | Goldfisch2 | Growly: Read that URL I posted earlier about newbiedocs. It is pretty good on automating much of kernel building. |
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| 03:55.34 | caiqian | mwilson: that's because you don't use GNOME :) |
| 03:55.35 | cthulfuego | Growly: You need 'module-init-tools' |
| 03:55.41 | Growly | i have version 3.0 |
| 03:55.52 | Growly | i went through /documenation/changes and upgraded everything |
| 03:55.54 | cthulfuego | Debian 3.0? |
| 03:55.55 | dickiebooz | mrwill: I honstly dont know where to start i have downloaded alsa threw deselect and i am not sure where to take it from there.. i know it is not working |
| 03:55.57 | Growly | yup |
| 03:56.05 | Borgon | bucky, nothing much for me but it will help manage the server for others who arent nix savvy |
| 03:56.06 | cthulfuego | That has no module-init-tools package. |
| 03:56.08 | Goldfisch2 | bob2: The step it is running is HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep. I can go to #flood to show you some more output. |
| 03:56.16 | cthulfuego | Growly: You need to backport the sarge one. |
| 03:56.20 | mwilson | What difference would whether or not I use Gnome make? |
| 03:56.30 | Goldfisch2 | bob2: I guess I should go read that script to see what it is doing. |
| 03:56.33 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: kernel build system is probably beyond me, sorry |
| 03:56.34 | mrwill | dickiebooz: what packages did you download? |
| 03:56.36 | Growly | cthulfuego: Backport? |
| 03:56.37 | cthulfuego | Growly: Or just update the whole box to sarge. |
| 03:56.38 | bucky | Borgon, install xampp on windows they'll be happy |
| 03:56.44 | mrwill | I sure wish there was an rss feed for debian weekly news. |
| 03:56.53 | Growly | Is sarge stable? |
| 03:56.58 | mrwill | Growly: not yet. |
| 03:57.01 | bob2 | Growly: it's the testing release of Debian |
| 03:57.04 | caiqian | dickiebooz: alsaconfig |
| 03:57.11 | cthulfuego | Growly: backport is fetching the source deb from a newer repository and compiling it into a deb for YOUR version. |
| 03:57.13 | Growly | ah I see, I think I have woody |
| 03:57.19 | mrwill | caiqian: alsaconf was the command last time I looked. |
| 03:57.22 | Borgon | bucky, i am planning to provide vds/vps service, so once someone signs up them or me will be setting up apache/mysql/php so am trying to maximize automation and save time and hardwork by customizing webmin theme and adding a few extra functions to provide easy usage |
| 03:57.34 | Goldfisch2 | Well, fixdep is a C program anyway. I guess it was the first in the sequence that needed include/asm and thus choked. |
| 03:57.35 | cthulfuego | Growly: Since you want a 2.6 kernel on woody I doubt stability is that high on your priority list <heh> ;-) |
| 03:57.36 | Growly | man I'm noob. |
| 03:57.36 | dickiebooz | mrwill:alsa-base oss |
| 03:57.52 | Guerin | Growly: hah, my mum's cat is calle Growly |
| 03:57.58 | Guerin | s/calle/called/ |
| 03:57.58 | mrwill | dickiebooz: you need alsa-utils too, oss is not related. |
| 03:57.59 | dickiebooz | caiqian: have tryed that.. my pci card is not showing up. |
| 03:58.04 | Goldfisch2 | bob2: Thanks for trying. I will poke around and see what I can turn up. ;) |
| 03:58.04 | Growly | Guerin: Can I have it? :p |
| 03:58.13 | cthulfuego | !grr |
| 03:58.18 | Guerin | Growly: you probably don't want her, she's really old and cranky |
| 03:58.25 | kenboo | never mind. i found 'rev' command |
| 03:58.27 | dickiebooz | mrwill:sorry i have that aswell |
| 03:58.28 | Growly | you mean like dpkg? |
| 03:58.30 | Myren | does anyone know the gui JACK connector being used in the background of this screenshot? http://www.affenbande.org/~tapas/wiki/index.php?jack_snapshot |
| 03:58.30 | cthulfuego | Guerin: he means the cat, not your mum. |
| 03:58.44 | Guerin | my mum's not old, or cranky. |
| 03:58.56 | mrwill | dickiebooz: ok, what kernel version? |
| 03:58.58 | Lord-Cereburus | hi dpkg |
| 03:58.59 | Guerin | cthulfuego: she IS dutch, though. |
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| 03:59.06 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Typical. |
| 03:59.07 | Growly | wow you guys are awesome!!! is this server's address irc.freenode.net? |
| 03:59.09 | caiqian | dickiebooz: you should make sure your card is supported by ALSA first. |
| 03:59.11 | dickiebooz | mrwill: 2.2 |
| 03:59.14 | cthulfuego | Growly: yep |
| 03:59.24 | Borgon | bucky, so do you understand where am coming from and why i am asking the questions that am asking? |
| 03:59.33 | mrwill | dickiebooz: wha? uh, what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 03:59.36 | cthulfuego | Growly: btw, normally people conclude we're a bunch of unhelpful elitist bastards. |
| 03:59.37 | Growly | good, 'cause mIRC labelled it as random, and I thought something whack was going down |
| 03:59.57 | Growly | well I think i'll stay, I've always wanted to be a fat unhelpful elitist bastard |
| 04:00.09 | bucky | Borgon, you want to be a hosting company and turn your clients loose with webmin? |
| 04:00.17 | Guerin | those people are just clueless morons, of course |
| 04:00.23 | Growly | hahahaah |
| 04:00.23 | mrwill | bucky: hilarious, eh? furthermore, he doesn't know how to do it. |
| 04:00.28 | cthulfuego | bucky: Maybe he has chares in an IT security firm ;-) |
| 04:00.37 | cthulfuego | s/chares/shares/ |
| 04:00.42 | dickiebooz | mrwill:linux debian 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 04:00.52 | Guerin | Borgon: if you're going to charge money for your services, use that money to hire a sysadmin. |
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| 04:00.59 | Goldfisch2 | Growly: Nothing quites beats that, ehh? |
| 04:01.15 | mrwill | dickiebooz: I'm not sure that alsa will work with a 2.2 kernel. you might want to check on that. |
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| 04:01.39 | thd | cthulfuego: I could not find a dpkg for bzftp. |
| 04:01.48 | dickiebooz | mrwill: all the documents i have seen on the net deal with 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 04:01.54 | Patrick_ | hey guys im in a pickle, i did a type when typing /usr/sbin/useradd -g mysql mysql and instead of mysql mysql, i did mysql mysal, so how do i delete it? |
| 04:01.54 | cthulfuego | thd: That would be because there's NO such package. |
| 04:01.59 | Gumby | hrm, I just tried to make a kernel (the debian way) and when I installed the .deb that was created my new vmlinuz is 0 bytes (-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-01-23 19:53 vmlinuz-2.6.10-2005.01.23). Anyone have any idea why this might be? |
| 04:01.59 | caiqian | dickiebooz: Alsa on 2.2 kerenl is a broken one. |
| 04:02.01 | Patrick_ | i did a typo** |
| 04:02.03 | mrwill | dickiebooz: yes, I think you need at least 2.4 to use it. |
| 04:02.09 | Growly | so let me review: i need to get a sarge install, or get the source files for the 2.6 kernel and compile it into a .deb |
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| 04:02.20 | dickiebooz | mrwill:thanks |
| 04:02.29 | mrwill | dickiebooz: sure, good luck. |
| 04:02.39 | cthulfuego | Growly: No, no... the sarge sources for module-init-tools. |
| 04:02.41 | Growly | you guys are such l33t h4><0|2s |
| 04:02.48 | Growly | oh... |
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| 04:03.02 | mrwill | Growly: never complement me that way again. |
| 04:03.08 | mrwill | er compliment. |
| 04:03.14 | Borgon | Guerin, am not a linux newbie ive ran a hosting company for years so thats not the case |
| 04:03.16 | Guerin | mrwill: it wasn't a compliment |
| 04:03.30 | Guerin | Borgon: riiight. |
| 04:03.31 | mrwill | Guerin: whatever it was, it made my eyes cross trying to read it. |
| 04:03.33 | Borgon | bucky, with a good skin and extra functions webmin/virtualmin manages everything easily.. i will offer other control panels like directadmin/plesk but this will be my inhouse for those who watn to save money |
| 04:03.34 | cthulfuego | Yes, mrwill isn't a l33t h4><0|2, he's a smelly elitist. |
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| 04:04.01 | nsanity | d |
| 04:04.09 | zignig | Guerin: no, nasty silly idea. |
| 04:04.18 | Guerin | zignig: right you are. |
| 04:04.20 | cthulfuego | Guerin: "client: I want X. guerin: That's not secure, fuck off." |
| 04:04.25 | zignig | Guerin: clueless customer calls all day. |
| 04:04.27 | Guerin | pretty much |
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| 04:04.42 | bucky | Borgon, you could roll something like that.. i mean it's a good idea, but you should stay with best practices and not re-invent the wheel |
| 04:04.45 | Growly | I'm sorry, i'm still addicted to counter-strike |
| 04:04.53 | Growly | but that's because i'm a lamer. |
| 04:04.59 | bob2 | come on people |
| 04:05.03 | cthulfuego | Growly: last I checked that ran fine under Linux. |
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| 04:05.20 | Guerin | I'd have to have a hard-as-nails TOS: You will not use insecure software. You will encrypt all credentials in/out. You will apply security patches. You will comply. |
| 04:05.46 | Growly | COUNTER-STRIKE RUNS ON LINUX? |
| 04:05.52 | cthulfuego | Guerin: "We offer unplugged OpenBSD machines in a rack at the bottom of the ocean." |
| 04:05.53 | Growly | Holy crap, goodbye windows |
| 04:06.06 | Guerin | cthulfuego: they're not cheap, but they ARE secure. |
| 04:06.19 | Growly | WWServer02:~# depmod -V |
| 04:06.19 | Growly | module-init-tools 3.0 |
| 04:06.39 | cthulfuego | Growly: .. needs a piece of additional (not free) software and a non-ATI card would probably help too. |
| 04:06.53 | Growly | but, but i like ati :s |
| 04:07.01 | Borgon | bucky, can you explain? vds's are somewhat premature and there arent alot of automation/management tools for them, the most popular is virtuozzo and that costs an arm and a leg about 5k-6k maybe more |
| 04:07.06 | cthulfuego | Yeah, their Linux drivers kind of suck, though. |
| 04:08.23 | Growly | oh. |
| 04:08.31 | Growly | wait, so doesnt WWServer02:~# depmod -V |
| 04:08.32 | Growly | module-init-tools 3.0 |
| 04:08.33 | thd | cthulfuego: http://cae.best.vwh.net/irqtune/ is a recommended solution to poor dialup speeds under linux but has not been updated since 1997 and does not work on 2.4 kernals. Re: Slow modem connection on FC1. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11840 did not help either. Is this not a universal problem under linux unless remediated? |
| 04:08.34 | bucky | Borgon, sure and there's a reason why virtuozzo costs... but if you want to bring the server to the masses like win brought the desktop to the masses.. well.. |
| 04:08.40 | Growly | mean i have module-init-tools? |
| 04:09.10 | bucky | Borgon, ms tried.. IIs was the best they could do |
| 04:09.14 | cthulfuego | Growly: sure looks like it |
| 04:09.24 | cthulfuego | thd: What sort of modem is it? |
| 04:09.45 | Growly | hmm. well i'm going to recompile with the make clean in there somewhere |
| 04:10.11 | bucky | Borgon, there's a lot of nice cms apps out there now.. try one |
| 04:10.15 | Borgon | bucky, no no, ill be providing quality service at an affordable price.. i have done alot of research but i dont have the capital so am choosing xen instead of uml .. its something that will be great for developrs who need custom software or people who just simply want root and want to control everything. |
| 04:10.49 | Myren | thd: sadly, modems have been relegated to "legacy" gear |
| 04:10.51 | Borgon | why? |
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| 04:11.36 | bucky | thd, i think alot of your problem maybe line noise |
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| 04:12.16 | cthulfuego | bucky: That would mean another OS would also need to show slow speeds. |
| 04:12.24 | Growly | anyone here have an aetheros chipset WLAN card? |
| 04:12.37 | Growly | i.e. dlink dwlg520 ? :D |
| 04:12.42 | thd | cthulfuego: external US Robotics Sportster 28.8K v. 34 Fax/Modem. I have the same results from an external Best Data 56SX v.90 mdem. |
| 04:12.51 | bucky | thd, what part of the world are you in.. can you get on a wireless network? ask your neighbors if they'd mind sharing theirs with you |
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| 04:13.21 | bucky | cthulfuego, i missed that part sorry |
| 04:13.35 | mithro | anyone know a good network profile manager for debian? |
| 04:13.54 | chealer | !dvd |
| 04:13.54 | dpkg | i guess dvd is (Digital Versatile/Video Disc) Much like a CD-ROM except that it stores up to 12x as much. DVD is the successor to CD-ROM technology. It's the same size, but holds between 4.7 => 18 GB of data. See http://www.opendvd.org/, or for Linux DVD software see http://www.linuxvideo.org/, or see http://xine.sourceforge.net/, or see mplayer |
| 04:14.15 | cthulfuego | thd: Do you have any special init strings in your pppd options? |
| 04:14.50 | bucky | thd, i had to set up a modem for my mom.. went down to office depot got a zoom external, boom |
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| 04:15.09 | helloyo | how do i find out my network IP address? on the computer i'm using now |
| 04:15.23 | thd | bucky: I am in New York City where ther is always a little line noise. I have no wireless neigbours or wireless hardware. However, this problem does not occur on other operatin\g systems with the same hardware. |
| 04:15.28 | caiqian | helloyo: ifconfig |
| 04:15.54 | chealer | that's another outdated dvd |
| 04:16.07 | chealer | I mean factoid |
| 04:16.13 | bucky | thd http://www.nycwireless.net/ |
| 04:16.22 | cthulfuego | chealer: Well, update it, then. |
| 04:16.32 | chealer | cthulfuego: any clue with what? |
| 04:16.45 | cthulfuego | chealer: cookies? |
| 04:17.00 | chealer | should I understand that it's basically impossible to read video DVDs under debian? |
| 04:17.01 | bucky | thd, i've had nothing but stellar perfomance from modems in linux |
| 04:17.09 | thd | cthulfuego: I have tried experimenting with init strings. The current pppconfig setting is the US robotics recommended AT&F |
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| 04:17.34 | pipeline | chealer: No. |
| 04:17.39 | Growly | anyone? |
| 04:17.49 | Growly | aetheros chipsets? |
| 04:17.49 | bucky | thd but some modems are quasi software modems that will almost run in linux despite being win modems |
| 04:17.51 | pipeline | chealer: You should understand that it's basically impossible to do so legally in the united states, where there are bizarre laws against it. |
| 04:18.02 | NP_complete | RaiseFS or Ext3? |
| 04:18.14 | pipeline | NP_complete: ext3, failing that, ext2. |
| 04:18.15 | findme | how can i get notlame |
| 04:18.21 | thd | bucky: when are external modems winmdems? |
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| 04:18.31 | bucky | thd, the courier is now |
| 04:18.36 | pipeline | thd: Trust me, they exist. "Controllerless RS-232 modem" |
| 04:18.42 | chealer | woohoo, xine is reading it :) |
| 04:18.54 | NP_complete | what is the best solution Ext3 or RaiserFS? |
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| 04:19.07 | pipeline | chealer: It won't do that successfully without reading a readme file and running a script to signal that you live somewhere where you may legally do so. |
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| 04:19.22 | bob2 | NP_complete: there isn't one |
| 04:19.31 | pipeline | NP_complete: First, it's ReiserFS, not Raiser. Secondly, if you don't know, you should be using ext3. Reiser is an experimental filesystem with persistent issues with losing data. |
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| 04:19.32 | bob2 | NP_complete: ext3 is an excellent choice if you have no idea what to choose, tho |
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| 04:19.53 | NP_complete | ok |
| 04:19.55 | pipeline | NP_complete: Unless you have full, regular backups (or can afford to lose all of your data), you should not be using Reiser. |
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| 04:21.14 | chealer | pipeline: I don't follow you for the README file, but it's working with libdvdcss |
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| 04:21.47 | thd | bucky: checking winmodems list for my modems now. I usually do not use my 56K modem because the power supply for it seems to introduce line noise :( |
| 04:22.09 | Growly | I hate the internet. |
| 04:22.20 | NP_complete | sarge-netinst looks great! |
| 04:22.23 | chealer | pipeline: I have really no luck with mplayer :| |
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| 04:24.01 | sword- | hey |
| 04:24.05 | pipeline | thd: The worst modems, of course, are the ones that have all the circuitry on-board to be a real modem, but demand firmware from the host system or equally screwy stuff. High performance AND highly annoying :P |
| 04:24.12 | sword- | there a pastebin i should use |
| 04:24.38 | simonrvn | /whois paster |
| 04:24.56 | caiqian | Growly: wlan problem goto linux-wlan.com |
| 04:24.59 | Growly | is this a fatal eror? depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/net/8139too.o I presume not |
| 04:25.16 | simonrvn | !real kernel |
| 04:25.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote Do |
| 04:25.35 | Growly | !dpkg |
| 04:25.35 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 04:25.43 | caiqian | Growly: it shouldn't happen |
| 04:25.49 | sword- | http://www.pastebin.com/232721 |
| 04:25.50 | sword- | check this |
| 04:26.00 | sword- | this happened after i burned some cds |
| 04:26.07 | sword- | thing is the drive is reading dvds |
| 04:26.11 | sword- | but not cds |
| 04:26.47 | Growly | caiqian: does that mean that the 8139too.o module will not be loaded? |
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| 04:27.56 | vulture | sword-: um.. you mounted /cdrom, yet that fstab line has no references to /cdrom.. ? |
| 04:28.13 | caiqian | Growly: hard to say. what's your running kernel version ? what's your lsmod output? |
| 04:28.34 | Growly | it happened when i did make modules_install on my kernel 2.6.10 source |
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| 04:30.09 | sword- | vulture, it doesn |
| 04:30.27 | sword- | . /cdrom is a shortcut to /media/cdrom0 |
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| 04:31.19 | caiqian | Growly: the Right sequences for buiding 2.6.x kernel is 'make mrproper; make menuconfig; make; make modules_install; make install', if you want using general method. |
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| 04:32.14 | Growly | oh deart. |
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| 04:32.25 | Growly | if i've done the wrong order, can i just start again? |
| 04:32.30 | Growly | or do i have to use a fresh source? |
| 04:32.31 | paster | "a" at 68.23.161.20 pasted "b" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/203 |
| 04:33.32 | caiqian | Growly: you may want to backup your .config file. so you don't need to make menuconfig. 'make mrproper' will completely clean the source |
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| 04:35.33 | mrfg | how should i erase rewriteable cd? |
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| 04:35.42 | cthulfuego | cdrdao blank |
| 04:36.06 | andax | I always see the following message twice after login "Last login: Mon Jan 24 03:00:07 2005 from", how to turn it off? |
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| 04:36.20 | WiFiTux | I implemented cgiirc in my site, and whenever I try to use it. It tells me... *** Access Denied: No connections allowed |
| 04:36.30 | indigirl1 | hi |
| 04:36.31 | caiqian | mrfg: xcdroast is cool. |
| 04:36.40 | _KonvIRC | hey all |
| 04:36.45 | ignatius | okay |
| 04:36.53 | ignatius | so I was looking at some screenshots the other day |
| 04:37.01 | indigirl1 | how do i connect to linux machine from windows xp for a console? |
| 04:37.01 | ignatius | of some loser's desktop |
| 04:37.12 | ignatius | and they had something running that looked something like gdesklets, but a lot nicer |
| 04:37.14 | vulture | indigirl1: putty. |
| 04:37.23 | ignatius | and I wish I knew what it was |
| 04:37.30 | WiFiTux | Someone? ever used cgiirc? |
| 04:37.40 | andax | indigirl1: google for "putty" |
| 04:37.49 | Bewd | If I downloaded a package (sndconfig), how would I install that? I can't use apt-get because it's not on the list or whatever |
| 04:38.04 | Guerin | !someone |
| 04:38.04 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 04:38.05 | ignatius | why would you need sndconfig? |
| 04:38.11 | dan2 | asg: ping |
| 04:38.13 | vulture | Bewd: man dpkg |
| 04:38.13 | RememberPO1 | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! RememberPOL=2005-02-16 |
| 04:38.16 | caiqian | sndconfig is deprecated |
| 04:38.20 | Guerin | !sndconfig |
| 04:38.20 | dpkg | it has been said that sndconfig is a Red Hat tool used by Red Hat tools. Ask me about "audio". |
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| 04:38.45 | ignatius | heh |
| 04:38.47 | Guerin | RememberPO1: put another / on the end |
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| 04:38.51 | ignatius | more like "ask me about alsaconf" |
| 04:38.52 | dan2 | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! dan2=2005-04-15 |
| 04:39.12 | Bewd | well, I'm trying to get sound going on debian... and the web site I'm reading says to use sndconfig http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Configuring_Your.shtml |
| 04:39.17 | Guerin | adding your name to the sarge pool once all but three people's bets have expired is cheating |
| 04:39.22 | WiFiTux | Guerin, jua jua... BTW e-mail was too easy to setup. I just had to change something into /etc/hosts and done! IMAP still doesn't work, but ok... webmail, pop3, ftp, everything works but IMAP anf cgiirc :) |
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| 04:39.42 | RememberPOL | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! RememberPOL=2005-02-16/ |
| 04:39.42 | dpkg | OK, RememberPOL |
| 04:39.44 | Guerin | WiFiTux: using encryption yet? |
| 04:40.12 | Guerin | !sarge pool 5 |
| 04:40.13 | dpkg | [sarge pool 5] ! RememberPOL=2005-02-16 dan2=2005-04-15 blk=2005-02-12 marinos=2005-04-31 SquareRt=2005-05-15 zumbi=2005-06-23 Anthro=2005-02-07 Amaranth=2005-01-20 jon787=1901-12-13 |
| 04:40.13 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ssl? no. Whenever I get to make a biz server then I'll implement it... |
| 04:40.30 | caiqian | Bewd: that's is a old source. using alsaconf |
| 04:40.30 | RememberPOL | what's with the cryptic commands to dpkg on betting? |
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| 04:40.37 | Guerin | WiFiTux: if I get spam from your owned box, I will hurt you. |
| 04:40.38 | WiFiTux | Guerin, why so woried? |
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| 04:41.00 | Bewd | caiqian, how can I do it then, or can you point me to a tutorial on starting sound in debian? |
| 04:41.10 | deadcat | puttying my pcmcia cf reader in the airport slot didnt work. )= |
| 04:41.15 | Guerin | WiFiTux: because sending your unix username and pass in the clear is worrisome. WHy not just use telnet? Why not just use your dob as password? |
| 04:41.22 | deadcat | atleast it didnt fry my ibook hehe |
| 04:41.25 | WiFiTux | Guerin, spam? haha owned? please... if someone gets to own anything of this I'll personally mail the developers to tell them they are making lauzy apps. |
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| 04:41.55 | caiqian | Bewd: I don't now where is a tutorial. Anyway, what card is yours? |
| 04:41.58 | Guerin | WiFiTux: and they'll mail you back saying you should have encrypted your fucking password, and that their apps are working as designed. |
| 04:42.05 | WiFiTux | Guerin, :| well, then use ssl? will I don't think that should be that hard to get working huh? |
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| 04:42.21 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it's not that hard, no. |
| 04:42.25 | WiFiTux | s/will/well |
| 04:42.27 | Bewd | I have a Creative SB Live! |
| 04:42.50 | bob2 | me too! |
| 04:42.54 | WiFiTux | Guerin, well, pretty much set the server to use ssl and make the users set the e-mail settings to use ssl ? |
| 04:43.14 | Guerin | WiFiTux: enforce tls at pop, imap and smtp level. |
| 04:43.19 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I use pop3ad which is very easy to setup, it asked me about with ot without ssl. |
| 04:43.28 | thd | bucky, pipeline: the Linux/Modem Compatibility Knowledge Basel reports my modems as having full hardware support. The number f references to the 2.4 kernal incompatible irqtune suggest that slow dialup under linux is a common problem that seems to be a serious issue for some hardware configurations. I tried to use lshw for diagnostics but I only got a blank screen and terminated with ^c. |
| 04:43.39 | caiqian | Is that modprobe sb? |
| 04:43.40 | WiFiTux | Guerin, tls? isn't that too much? |
| 04:43.49 | Guerin | WiFiTux: tls is ssl for mail. |
| 04:44.01 | Guerin | WiFiTux: different name for the same thing. |
| 04:44.03 | WiFiTux | Guerin, Oh! My bad. |
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| 04:44.18 | bucky | thd i just read something about that ^ c on google |
| 04:45.02 | WiFiTux | Guerin, OK, I guess I could if I first get cgiirc working first... Can you take a look? wifitux.com/cgiirc |
| 04:45.04 | Guerin | WiFiTux: do you run ftp using that user/pass as well? |
| 04:45.10 | thd | bucky: do tell |
| 04:45.17 | Guerin | WiFiTux: I know or care nothing about running an ircd |
| 04:45.26 | caiqian | Bewd: modprobe emu10k1 |
| 04:45.45 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I use anonymous and yes, I have an extra account that has ftp access. |
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| 04:46.08 | bucky | thd, there was some fix for it but i ignored it.. i thought your issue was dl speed |
| 04:46.09 | Guerin | WiFiTux: does that account have a valid shell (as opposed to /bin/false)? |
| 04:46.09 | WiFiTux | Guerin, the cgiirc is so maybe you can find something really stupid that I might be doing :| |
| 04:46.29 | Guerin | WiFiTux: I'm sure I could list a dozen stupid things you're doing. |
| 04:46.32 | WiFiTux | Guerin, it has a valid shell. Is not virtual or so. |
| 04:46.45 | WiFiTux | Guerin, there you go again. |
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| 04:47.08 | Guerin | WiFiTux: either set that user's shell to /bin/false or enforce encryption |
| 04:47.32 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I guess I could do that... In the skeleton? |
| 04:47.39 | Guerin | WiFiTux: in /etc/passwd |
| 04:48.11 | Guerin | WiFiTux: or similar. You might also have to configure your ftpd to allow users to login with an invalid shell. |
| 04:48.18 | WiFiTux | Guerin, right. Nice thing. I see where all this secure stuff go. |
| 04:48.37 | thd | bucky: my issue is dialup speed but perhaps some diagnostics would be illuminating if there is some inturrupt or other conflict under linux. The drivers fail for USB on boot for example. |
| 04:49.12 | WiFiTux | Guerin, so the main hack from a "hacker" is that he can sniff your data, see your passwd and then start bugging you? |
| 04:49.18 | bucky | thd, what kind of computer do you have ? |
| 04:49.45 | Guerin | WiFiTux: a person doesn't have to be a hacker to sniff your password and own your box. The just have to know how to read. |
| 04:50.22 | thd | bucky: I am currently experimenting with a via chipset k6 system. |
| 04:50.31 | JoeSchmoe | 1 /<an rU/\/ s/<r1pTzzz 2!@#$ |
| 04:50.36 | bucky | thd, with usb? |
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| 04:50.40 | WiFiTux | Guerin, if they can hack into Cingular's System and read 4000 e-mails. They can hack my box if the would want to. |
| 04:50.47 | joujou | someone tell me about the US graduation points, is 4.0 good? what's the equivalent in the UK? how do you scale 4.0 to percentages (to 100%) |
| 04:50.52 | cthulfuego | Is there a way to make slapd uses saslauthd? |
| 04:51.05 | andax | i changed /etc/pam.d/login , now how to make the changes take effect? |
| 04:51.05 | WiFiTux | slapped users? |
| 04:51.07 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 04:51.09 | thd | bucky: There are two unused usb ports. |
| 04:51.20 | ktripppy | does anyone know if you can burn a cd with AES256? |
| 04:51.20 | bob2 | andax: login? |
| 04:51.28 | bucky | thd turn em off in the bios |
| 04:51.32 | bob2 | ktripppy: that makes no sense |
| 04:51.43 | andax | bob2: logout/login is not enough |
| 04:51.43 | Guerin | WiFiTux: there's a difference between cracking a box - finding a legitimate security hole - and sniffing the password and logging in via ssh. |
| 04:52.19 | Guerin | WiFiTux: the latter is what you can expect if you leave your password on a post-it note on your monitor, and it's identical to running your login credentials over plaintext. |
| 04:52.24 | ktripppy | ok. |
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| 04:52.36 | bob2 | ktripppy: do you mean "How can I make an encrypted CD?"? |
| 04:52.38 | ktripppy | what removable media is possible when using AES256 |
| 04:52.47 | deadcat | fonts on some softwares are REALLY big on my ibook. like xine/gdm/openoffice |
| 04:52.57 | thd | bucky: I had thought of that before, but was checking other things and forgot. Powering down now. |
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| 04:53.15 | ktripppy | bob2: YES |
| 04:53.21 | Guerin | deadcat: openoffice has its own config for font sizes, etc, - it's not a toolkit |
| 04:53.22 | bob2 | ktripppy: so say that |
| 04:53.27 | blackmariah | I'm trying to get all the colors in KDE straightened out. How do I get GTK apps (Gaim, etc.) to cooperate? |
| 04:53.35 | bob2 | ktripppy: does it have to be readable on systems other than modern linux? |
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| 04:53.41 | bob2 | blackmariah: choose a vaguely similar theme |
| 04:53.41 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ahh... well, true. That sucks. You migh be right that I should start making these changes. I might work half time with a bank after my other job... |
| 04:53.42 | Guerin | deadcat: the others are controlled by gtk-theme-switch |
| 04:53.48 | ktripppy | How can I make an encrypted CD? |
| 04:53.51 | deadcat | Guerin: oh. i am talking about the File Option Edit.. those fonts right |
| 04:53.57 | bucky | thd, i hope your not forcing it to use uhci or something |
| 04:53.58 | bob2 | ktripppy: then answer my question |
| 04:54.09 | deadcat | Guerin: ok. well. then xine is still fucking huge. |
| 04:54.11 | Guerin | deadcat: yeah. the UI has its own internal config |
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| 04:54.27 | Guerin | deadcat: so use switch and switch2 |
| 04:54.36 | blackmariah | Maaaaaaan, 'vaguely similar' sucks. *runs off and cries* |
| 04:54.46 | ktripppy | no |
| 04:54.50 | bob2 | blackmariah: then pick a toolkit or use fedora |
| 04:54.50 | ktripppy | bob2: no |
| 04:55.00 | WiFiTux | Guerin, the only thing I can't get to work so far is the courier-imap. I think it's because I don't have support for Maildir? :\ |
| 04:55.00 | deadcat | Guerin: i did. although i did it by hand in .gtkrc-2.0 but xine is huge compare to the rest of the apps |
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| 04:55.11 | deadcat | bob2: whats the refresh rate on your ibook? |
| 04:55.16 | andax | bob2: i found a way, just delete pam_lastlog.so and it goes the hell away hahah :))) |
| 04:55.17 | blackmariah | bob2: Not necessary. Found one that looks exactly like what I was looking for. :D |
| 04:55.22 | chugga | running ntpdate gives 24 Jan 12:51:25 ntpdate[27974]: no servers can be used, exiting |
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| 04:55.24 | andax | fuck that shit |
| 04:55.24 | chugga | any ideas |
| 04:55.32 | blackmariah | Forgot about switch2 until Guerin mentioned it. |
| 04:55.33 | pipeline | chugga: ntpdate <server> |
| 04:55.34 | bob2 | deadcat: I don't know |
| 04:55.35 | findme | what is the relation ship between ibook and linux ? |
| 04:55.35 | Guerin | WiFiTux: that means you clearly didn't bother to do the howto properly. But yes, courier only supports maildir. |
| 04:55.39 | WiFiTux | Chubby, /etc/init.d/ntpdate start |
| 04:55.46 | chugga | pipeline, i dont want to put in a server |
| 04:55.57 | Guerin | deadcat: xine is gtk1. Why should gtk2 config affect it? |
| 04:56.01 | bob2 | andax: er, it will come back everytime pam gets upgraded |
| 04:56.09 | bob2 | chugga: specify a reachable ntp server |
| 04:56.13 | chugga | WiFiTux, will that run continuously .. automatically updating the time regularly? |
| 04:56.14 | bob2 | chugga: pool.ntp.org should work |
| 04:56.25 | WiFiTux | chugga, you only need to do it once. |
| 04:56.31 | pipeline | chugga: What, you want an actual ntpd? |
| 04:56.43 | deadcat | Guerin: oh. |
| 04:56.45 | pipeline | chugga: ntpd is not recommended unless you have a good reason (for example, a few hundred clients using ntpdate) |
| 04:56.59 | chugga | ok, i see |
| 04:57.01 | pipeline | chugga: As long as the system is actually running, clock drift will be minimal. |
| 04:57.04 | andax | bob2: now that i've deleted the file, it displays the last login info only once. better :) |
| 04:57.07 | pipeline | chugga: You should only have to run ntpdate on boot |
| 04:57.12 | chugga | nah my clock drifts about 3 minutes a day |
| 04:57.19 | WiFiTux | chugga, I get that sometimes. Give that command a shot. |
| 04:57.19 | chugga | i only boot once in months :) |
| 04:57.26 | zignig | chugga: get a new battery |
| 04:57.29 | chugga | WiFiTux, it seemed to work |
| 04:57.38 | chugga | zignig, hmm |
| 04:57.43 | pipeline | chugga: Heh, then put ntpdate in cron for to update it daily. Do you not have an RTC device? I don't get noticable clock drift unless the system turns off |
| 04:57.58 | deadcat | Guerin: let me take a screenshot and show you |
| 04:57.59 | WiFiTux | chugga, you probably have issues cause you don't have internet when booting... Is that a lappy? |
| 04:57.59 | chugga | RTC? |
| 04:58.05 | chugga | WiFiTux, yeah |
| 04:58.46 | WiFiTux | chugga, I might report that... If I use restart it doesn't. I have to do start. |
| 04:58.58 | ktripppy | bob2: does it have to be readable on systems other than modern linux? NO, it would be nice if i could use knoppix. |
| 04:59.23 | bob2 | ktripppy: then use encrypted loopback or dm-cryptr |
| 04:59.55 | WiFiTux | !knoppixmite ktripppy |
| 05:00.24 | WiFiTux | !knoppixsmite ktripppy |
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| 05:00.34 | bob2 | haha |
| 05:00.39 | chugga | !knoppixsmite chugga |
| 05:00.50 | chugga | oooh |
| 05:00.52 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 05:00.53 | cthulfuego | !botabuse |
| 05:00.53 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 05:01.09 | WiFiTux | bob2, how do I check who created that factoid? |
| 05:01.11 | deadcat | Guerin: sshonly.sytes.net/huge.png |
| 05:01.13 | WiFiTux | that was nice. |
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| 05:01.15 | ktripppy | WiFiTux: can you direct me to the application in knoppix? |
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| 05:01.24 | loke | is it possible to make it so a certain user will have execute |
| 05:01.24 | loke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.26 | bob2 | !+listkeys knoppixsmite |
| 05:01.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'knoppixsmite' by key (1 shown): CMD: knoppixsmite (.*?). |
| 05:01.31 | bob2 | loke: use 'sudo' |
| 05:01.39 | gameover | how can i check what version of x11 i am running? |
| 05:01.40 | bob2 | !+factinfo MD: knoppixsmite (.*?) |
| 05:01.40 | dpkg | bob2: there's no such factoid as md: knoppixsmite (.*?) |
| 05:01.44 | loke | bob2 what if i wanted two roots? |
| 05:01.46 | cthulfuego | gameover: 'X -version' |
| 05:01.48 | bob2 | gameover: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:01.52 | bob2 | loke: then use sudo |
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| 05:02.01 | Parisi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.02 | bob2 | loke: but having multiple regular admins leads to fuckups |
| 05:02.09 | bob2 | Parisi: #knoppix |
| 05:02.11 | cthulfuego | !+factinfo CMD: knoppixsmite (.*?) |
| 05:02.11 | dpkg | CMD: knoppixsmite (.*?) -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Tue Aug 10 15:38:02 2004 (166 days). |
| 05:02.15 | deadcat | ibook users, please run xrandr and tell me the refresh rate please. |
| 05:02.27 | loke | bob2 who could i make loke have root priv? |
| 05:02.37 | WiFiTux | deadcat, why wasn't I able to see sshonly.sytes.net/huge.png |
| 05:02.44 | loke | bob2 i have to type sudo before every command? |
| 05:02.47 | cthulfuego | deadcat: Sure, just send me an ibook first |
| 05:02.52 | cthulfuego | loke: yes |
| 05:02.54 | WiFiTux | bob2, ok... ha |
| 05:02.56 | deadcat | WiFiTux: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/huge.png |
| 05:02.59 | andax | loke: no, try sudo sh |
| 05:03.01 | wsl3 | How do you mount a USB DVD-burner? It comes up as /dev/uba, but I can't seem to mount it like 'mount /dev/uba /dvd' |
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| 05:03.03 | deadcat | Guerin: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/huge.png |
| 05:03.05 | cthulfuego | loke: Annoying? maybe. Secure? yes. |
| 05:03.11 | Growly | test |
| 05:03.22 | bob2 | ktripppy: http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
| 05:03.31 | deadcat | cthulfuego: when i find out who you are, i am gonna shove some shit back up your asshole.!!! |
| 05:03.32 | bob2 | loke: making two people root is stupid |
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| 05:03.41 | bob2 | loke: what are you *actually* trying to do? |
| 05:03.43 | WiFiTux | deadcat, pandora? |
| 05:03.57 | cthulfuego | deadcat: Pff. Eat my hard fleshy dates. |
| 05:04.10 | deadcat | WiFiTux: dillo and xine. both gtk1 and fonts are diff |
| 05:04.26 | wsl3 | Anyone? |
| 05:04.28 | WiFiTux | deadcat, ahh I had that. I think I installed xfonts-base ?! |
| 05:04.28 | wsl3 | How do you mount a USB DVD-burner? It comes up as /dev/uba, but I can't seem to mount it like 'mount /dev/uba /dvd' |
| 05:04.49 | bob2 | wsl3: you'd need to provide a filesystem type at least |
| 05:04.52 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i have that |
| 05:04.54 | andax | i can't seem to find the source of the login package (woody) at packages.debian.org. where to get it from? |
| 05:05.01 | bob2 | wsl3: and afaik mounting and burning are seperate processes |
| 05:05.13 | wsl3 | Right, but I can't get it to mount anything in the drive at all |
| 05:05.15 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i think the ibook suppose to be 75refresh i think.... |
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| 05:05.40 | wsl3 | Nor can I get it to burn to it as a device - it recognizes it's an HP DVD burner, so I don't think it's a device issue |
| 05:05.46 | WiFiTux | deadcat, ahh in your Ibook. What's that on the right hand? with the Duck :) |
| 05:06.04 | MobyTurbo | andax: apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get -b source foo |
| 05:06.10 | bob2 | wsl3: well, yes, it won't mount until you give a correct mount invocation |
| 05:06.23 | deadcat | WiFiTux: wm applets? |
| 05:06.34 | WiFiTux | deadcat, ahh it's wm? ok... |
| 05:06.34 | vulture | WiFiTux: man mount perhaps |
| 05:06.35 | wsl3 | bob2: Odd. On slackware, it just gives you an error that it's mounting it read only, and poof - there it is |
| 05:06.54 | bob2 | wsl3: ok. |
| 05:06.56 | WiFiTux | vulture, huh? :| |
| 05:06.58 | vulture | s/ WiFiTux/ wsl3/ |
| 05:07.01 | vulture | stuff, things, etc. |
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| 05:07.11 | andax | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 05:07.20 | WiFiTux | deadcat, no. what was the name of that monitoring app on the right? |
| 05:07.24 | wsl3 | vulture: Thanks. Been there. Done that. Wouldn't be here if I hadn't go thru man, info, and google. |
| 05:07.25 | MobyTurbo | andax: np |
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| 05:07.33 | deadcat | WiFiTux: right? |
| 05:07.39 | vulture | wsl3: if you've done that then why aren't you providing -t to the mount command? |
| 05:07.52 | WiFiTux | deadcat, yes in you .png |
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| 05:07.55 | wsl3 | vulture: because it isn't needed. |
| 05:08.00 | rxc | anyone knows what console font knoppix uses? the default one is too big (8x16) and knoppix one is quite smooth |
| 05:08.17 | MobyTurbo | andax: out of curiosity, what do you need the source to login for? |
| 05:08.21 | deadcat | WiFiTux: right side is wmmatrix wmifinfo wmnd wmbubble wmbubble |
| 05:08.52 | jian1 | I forgot the name of the tool that convert a rpm package to deb |
| 05:08.55 | jian1 | what's the name of it? |
| 05:08.56 | WiFiTux | deadcat, ahh.. I didn't know wm had a taskbar like the one in the bottom. |
| 05:09.04 | MobyTurbo | jian1: alien |
| 05:09.07 | jian1 | thanx |
| 05:09.08 | cat | jian1: you mean???? alien |
| 05:09.14 | deadcat | WiFiTux: i am using openbox3 with fbpanel |
| 05:09.14 | bob2 | rxc: #knoppix might |
| 05:09.15 | jian1 | yaeh it's it |
| 05:09.24 | cat | =) |
| 05:09.27 | jian1 | anyways, I 've been using sun java sdk for years |
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| 05:09.33 | andax | MobyTurbo: i need to wipe the shit out, since I can't reboot the box to make PAM recognize the changes in /etc/pam.d/login stuff, i need to compile my own login to skip displaying shit on the screen :) |
| 05:09.41 | WiFiTux | deadcat, wow! all this weird stuff, you guys find. |
| 05:09.51 | jian1 | how about blackhawk java ? |
| 05:09.58 | jian1 | maybe called blackdown java? |
| 05:10.01 | rxc | knoppix might? |
| 05:10.04 | andax | so basically i just need a non-bloated working login :) |
| 05:10.07 | WiFiTux | deadcat, I still like the duck thou |
| 05:10.16 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:10.24 | vulture | jian1: which branch of debian are you using? |
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| 05:10.29 | jian1 | debian sarge |
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| 05:10.39 | jian1 | I used to download java sdk from sun, |
| 05:10.43 | vulture | jian1: from what I hear it's not too hard to get the java-package package from sid and use it in sarge |
| 05:10.49 | jian1 | coz I've heard that sun has the maximum compatibility for java |
| 05:10.52 | vulture | that can create a debian package from sun's plain binary distributions |
| 05:11.05 | jian1 | but the sun java sdk is not availabe as package in debian |
| 05:11.24 | vulture | read what I just wrote.. use java-package, be happy, etc. |
| 05:11.31 | jian1 | ok |
| 05:11.41 | wsl3 | The exact error message it gives (no matter what -t option, or no -t option) is /dev/uba: Input/output error. Mount: /dev/uba: can't read superblock |
| 05:11.43 | jian1 | but i want try ohter javas... like blackdown? |
| 05:11.46 | jian1 | can't remember its name |
| 05:11.48 | vulture | jian1: why? |
| 05:11.51 | wsl3 | Doesn't matter what disk is in the drive, either |
| 05:11.53 | jian1 | just curious |
| 05:11.55 | vulture | yes, Blackdown is what you are thinking of |
| 05:11.59 | wsl3 | Drive works fine with Win2k |
| 05:12.12 | jian1 | I want to see if it has all those libs I need |
| 05:12.41 | vulture | jian1: why? *shrugs* /msg apt blackdown debs |
| 05:13.09 | JoeSchmoe | question: bewd installed Debian from the ISOs. He needs the Soundblaster module. Is there a way to get that without downloading the entire kernel source? |
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| 05:13.47 | Guerin | deadcat: your gtk1 apps have antialiased fonts? |
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| 05:14.01 | vulture | JoeSchmoe: which sb module? he should probably already have it.. |
| 05:14.16 | jian1 | emu10k1 I bet |
| 05:14.23 | vulture | presumably |
| 05:14.31 | JoeSchmoe | emu10k1 probably |
| 05:14.54 | JoeSchmoe | If not, he can just download the sources for the kernel |
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| 05:15.02 | jian1 | is it safe to convert the sun java sdk rpm file into a deb file? |
| 05:15.13 | jian1 | I am reading the alien man page , it says it's unsafe to convert |
| 05:15.21 | Guerin | jian1: use the binary from sun.com and make-jpkg |
| 05:15.22 | vulture | jian1: using java-package to convert the sun binary package to a deb would be better.. |
| 05:15.37 | vulture | (make-jpkg is the executable in the java-package package) |
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| 05:15.45 | jian1 | hmm... anyho.. I jsut do a manual setup.. in all |
| 05:15.52 | vulture | jian1: ? |
| 05:15.54 | andax | MobyTurbo: fuck. it was the ssh daemon that displayed the last login info. but thanks anyway :)))))) |
| 05:15.59 | jian1 | what make-jpkg? |
| 05:16.08 | vulture | jian1: the binary that is in the java-package package |
| 05:16.14 | vulture | which I've been telling you to use for the past 10 minutes.. |
| 05:16.21 | jian1 | ok lol I think I missed it |
| 05:16.24 | jian1 | thanx |
| 05:17.00 | jian1 | java-package is not find |
| 05:17.30 | vulture | and in the past 10 minutes I did point out that java-package is in sid, but from what I hear it's not particularly difficult to just download it and use it in sarge.. |
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| 05:17.36 | Guerin | jian1: it's in sid, but since it's all scripts, you can use it on sarge |
| 05:17.49 | jian1 | alright.. thanx |
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| 05:19.16 | TheTom | aha! |
| 05:19.17 | TheTom | kettle? |
| 05:19.44 | TheTom | .o0(oh, wrong window) |
| 05:19.53 | nvz | ah, the smites dont work in /msg :) I updated my yinzersmite, and thought it was broken |
| 05:20.20 | WiFiTux | Guerin, should I install a firewall? |
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| 05:21.13 | nvz | I need to brush up on my pittsburghese.. it was hard just comming up with the 4 possible smites I made |
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| 05:23.42 | Guerin | WiFiTux: not much use |
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| 05:24.10 | deadcat | Guerin: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/huge.png |
| 05:24.11 | Guerin | WiFiTux: unless you're masq'ing some other, even less secure machines |
| 05:24.24 | Guerin | deadcat: yeah, I see. How do you get your gtk1 fonts antialiased? |
| 05:24.37 | deadcat | Guerin: ITS NOT GTK1. |
| 05:24.46 | Guerin | deadcat: xine-ui isn't? |
| 05:24.53 | deadcat | Guerin: i think xine uses its own fonts or something. |
| 05:24.59 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:25.04 | Guerin | no clue then |
| 05:25.15 | deadcat | Guerin: but all fonts work find on my desktop |
| 05:25.21 | Guerin | i always thought xine-ui was gtk1 |
| 05:25.23 | Guerin | ... |
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| 05:26.39 | nvz | your starting to talk like a yinzer... it must be spreading |
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| 05:27.49 | WiFiTux | Guerin, not really. I mean, just for security here. But I think everything is locked? so, no need to... |
| 05:28.50 | WiFiTux | How can I make the system run killall xmms in one hour? |
| 05:29.10 | chealer | WiFiTux: at ? |
| 05:29.35 | Guerin | WiFiTux: apt-get install xmms-goodnight |
| 05:29.40 | nvz | xmms probably has a sleeptimer |
| 05:29.53 | Guerin | WiFiTux: what security benefit do you think running a local firewall will yield? |
| 05:30.18 | Guerin | wtf is a yinzer? |
| 05:30.29 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I dunno. |
| 05:30.32 | nvz | someone who speaks pittsburghese |
| 05:30.35 | WiFiTux | !dict yinzer |
| 05:30.37 | dpkg | could not find definition for yinzer |
| 05:30.39 | chealer | wuhu, someone else thinks firewalls are useless |
| 05:30.50 | nvz | !yinzersmite Guerin |
| 05:31.05 | mattybats | can someone tell me the best way to go about watching quicktime movies through firefox? |
| 05:31.06 | Guerin | nvz: haha |
| 05:31.06 | WiFiTux | Guerin, anyway, with crontab Could I have ran killall xmms? |
| 05:31.12 | Guerin | WiFiTux: shore |
| 05:31.46 | WiFiTux | Guerin, how? I can read the man tomorrow... I wanna sleep now :) |
| 05:31.57 | Guerin | WiFiTux: hahaha |
| 05:32.01 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 05:32.08 | Guerin | WiFiTux: just install the fucking xmms plugin I told you |
| 05:32.16 | WiFiTux | I did, I did |
| 05:32.18 | Guerin | it's designed to do just that |
| 05:32.38 | Guerin | or, you could just queue an hour's worth of music |
| 05:33.13 | Guerin | but, there's a hard way to do everything, and I know how much you like doing things cack-handedly and half-arsedly... |
| 05:33.14 | keenan | ok something weird's going on here |
| 05:33.40 | keenan | I give ogg123 realtime priority with "chrt -f 10 ogg123 ..." |
| 05:33.44 | Guerin | mattybats: don't watch video in a damn browser, use a video player |
| 05:33.49 | zignig | Guerin: whats wrong with cack-handers ? huh punk ? |
| 05:33.57 | michal_ | can we expect the next debian release this year or is it too early to say? :P |
| 05:33.59 | WiFiTux | Guerin, harmless... That's how it's nice... but I wanted to do it with crontab, I like it the oldshool way |
| 05:34.07 | keenan | but it still skips when it displays output |
| 05:34.09 | nvz | !yinzersmite zignig |
| 05:34.24 | keenan | however, if i redirect stderr to /dev/null, it doesn't skip |
| 05:34.26 | Guerin | zignig: where I come from it means something more like badly or clumsily than anything else. |
| 05:34.43 | Guerin | nvz: that's fucking hysterical |
| 05:34.56 | thd | bucky: I have disabled the usb ports in bios but download speed is still circa 900B/s through /devttyS0 over the external modem. If I examine stty as suggested by Re: Slow modem connection on FC1. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11840 the port speed is shown set to 38400, although set to 115200 in pppconfig. I would be very happy with 38400 if I could actually get it. I can set stty speed to 115200 but without any effe |
| 05:34.57 | thd | ctive improvement. |
| 05:35.03 | nvz | Guerin: you know about pittsburgh? |
| 05:35.08 | keenan | also, it looks like if i just pipe stderr through cat it doesn't skip |
| 05:35.09 | nvz | heh |
| 05:35.10 | keenan | that's weird |
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| 05:35.12 | Guerin | michal_: I would cautiously say that this year is likely. |
| 05:35.26 | Guerin | nvz: nope, but I'm get'n a picher |
| 05:35.32 | nvz | heh |
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| 05:35.49 | zignig | Guerin: ah , in .au it's left handed ( which is the same thing ;)) |
| 05:36.13 | CAiRO | lol, the german dictionary of openoffice doesn't know the word 'Spam' |
| 05:36.20 | Guerin | zignig: interesting. |
| 05:36.43 | Guerin | CAiRO: funny, most of the spam I get is german |
| 05:36.49 | jplibre | an odd testing issue with apache - it's just segfaulting on starting the daemon. strace doesn't reveal much other than that it dies after going through the mime type magic stuff |
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| 05:37.29 | Guerin | jplibre: debian packages? |
| 05:37.38 | jplibre | Guerin: debian packages |
| 05:37.41 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ok, nice plugin.... hopefully it will work.. |
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| 05:38.06 | Guerin | jplibre: check BTS. Are other programs segfaulting |
| 05:38.08 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:38.12 | joujou | what's so special about saying "nukyular"? so many people make jokes out of it i dont understand |
| 05:38.13 | WiFiTux | OK, nite everyone(who will sleep in awhile) |
| 05:38.42 | jplibre | joujou: have you ever heard of a "nukyulus" |
| 05:38.48 | Guerin | joujou: the word is 'nuclear' |
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| 05:38.51 | michal_ | has there been any statement regarding the expected release of sarge? ie which quarter of which year? |
| 05:39.05 | Guerin | michal_: read debian-release |
| 05:39.20 | Guerin | michal_: and I believe the answer remains 'wir' |
| 05:39.32 | jplibre | Guerin: everything else seems fine. may be a lib mismatch, but I don't see where |
| 05:39.52 | Guerin | jplibre: running any funky nonstandard libs? |
| 05:39.54 | nvz | joujou: if you grew up in a cultural melting pot like Picksburgh words like that dont have to make sense, they are just the language. www.pittsburghese.com |
| 05:39.56 | blackmariah | joujou: I don't know. It's just a mispronounciation. Most people make similar mistakes ten times a day and nobody cares, but if you say 'nukular' people's heads explode. |
| 05:40.28 | Guerin | jplibre: if it's not faulting on other things, seems unlikely to be a hardware or a libc issue, so I'd check the BTS and file if there's not something there already. |
| 05:40.38 | zignig | blackmariah: I thought it was nooooklea |
| 05:40.55 | honkimon | can anyone help me get nvidia drivers to load at startup? Im doing it manually atm, and am a newb |
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| 05:41.25 | nvz | !yinzersmite everyone in #debian |
| 05:41.26 | Guerin | the issue with talking about 'nyookular weapons' is that it's a serious matter, and if someone can't take the time to pronounce it correctly, it's questionable whether he should be leading policy regarding them. |
| 05:41.28 | michal_ | Guerin: so it's still uncertain whether sarge will come out this year? heh. damn.. I hope things work out this time |
| 05:41.40 | sbk | If someone said "oxcillate instead of ossilate", there's probably a similar reaction |
| 05:41.44 | Guerin | michal_: nothing's certain. |
| 05:41.55 | Guerin | expresso instead of espresso |
| 05:41.56 | thd | bucky: What can I use for system IRQ etc diagnostics if lshw produces no output on my system perhaps because of the k6 processor or via chipset from 1999. |
| 05:42.04 | michal_ | guerin: sure it is.. nothing is absolutely certain. |
| 05:42.06 | maher | michal_: the remaining blocker is the security autobuilders afaik |
| 05:42.11 | jplibre | it seems pretty straightforward to pronounce 'nuclear' as 'new-clear' - the reason you'd mispronounce it is if you really don't know what a 'nucleus' is and what these 'nukyular weponz' are all about then ... maybe we shouldn't listen to you |
| 05:42.15 | _rene_ | michal_: it's ready when it's ready. and Debian doesn't set fixed dates. But it probably will be this year, probably |
| 05:42.25 | Guerin | creem brulee instead of crème brulée |
| 05:42.56 | Guerin | i'd be very surprised if it's after mid-2005 |
| 05:42.58 | sbk | i don't think it's really similar to mispronouncing exotic words, really |
| 05:43.00 | zignig | Guerin: and the various spellings withing the english speaking coutries. |
| 05:43.05 | michal_ | maher: oh? I had heard something about that in the past. do you know where i could find more info about it? |
| 05:43.13 | sbk | it's more to do with mispronouncing simple words |
| 05:43.22 | jplibre | sbk: aye |
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| 05:43.56 | jplibre | sbk: and 'nuclear' is not the most complicated word. it's only if you're pretty clueless that it becomes so. |
| 05:43.59 | maher | michal_: debian-devel-announce mailing list |
| 05:44.11 | jyfletcher | regarding 'nyooklular' I think it has more to do with his personality and how he accepts, or more directly - not accpeting, being wrong. |
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| 05:45.30 | jplibre | jyfletcher: meaning, more or less, that the rest of the world and probably more than half of the US is entirely justified in feeling mildly screwed over right now :) |
| 05:45.40 | jyfletcher | lol |
| 05:45.51 | Guerin | mildly is putting it mildly |
| 05:46.08 | jplibre | trying to keep it, er, mild |
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| 05:46.25 | Guerin | michal_: I told you to read debian-release. This is where they talk about these things. What more do you want? |
| 05:47.36 | mindframe | how do i set up a bridge for a traffic shaping box in this configuration? internet -> router -> traffic shaper -> switch |
| 05:47.56 | Guerin | mindframe: lartc.org |
| 05:48.01 | slocate | anybodu knows how you set the unknown in uname -a output, i.e. Linux hlabs1c1.foo.net 2.4.28-lite #9 Sun Jan 23 20:04:23 EST 2005 i686 unknown |
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| 05:48.32 | Guerin | slocate: man uname |
| 05:48.53 | slocate | i did, that's the pocessor |
| 05:49.00 | slocate | processor even |
| 05:49.15 | Guerin | no, it's not |
| 05:49.17 | nvz | no on mine it says GNU/Linux |
| 05:49.20 | Guerin | look again |
| 05:49.38 | xiara | how do you represent spaces in a linux shell? |
| 05:49.41 | xiara | quotes? |
| 05:49.50 | slocate | Guerin: that's a fres install |
| 05:49.55 | Guerin | slocate: so? |
| 05:50.03 | kenboo | xiara, backslash space ? |
| 05:50.03 | Guerin | xiara: what? |
| 05:50.04 | zignig | xiara: backslash space >\ < |
| 05:50.05 | kyle__ | xiara, '\ ' (backslash then space) |
| 05:50.05 | kenboo | if bash |
| 05:50.18 | xiara | ah |
| 05:50.33 | kyle__ | Greetings all. Should raid10 be done as raid1 on top of raid0, or the other way round? I've seen it described both ways, wondering which is right/best. |
| 05:50.55 | mono | how do i reconfigure my kdm/gdm/xdm? |
| 05:50.55 | jyfletcher | xiara: quotes will often work too, but the general way to use any character that would otherwise not be interpreted friendly is to escape it with a '\' as others have said. |
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| 05:51.14 | aokaze | Everyone!!! I finaly got my monitor settings working!!! Thanks to all who helped me |
| 05:51.15 | xiara | so like |
| 05:51.16 | Guerin | mono: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 05:51.27 | xiara | "cp a\ b\ c.gif abc.gif" |
| 05:51.37 | kenboo | Program\ Files ... |
| 05:51.49 | xiara | wait |
| 05:51.49 | jyfletcher | xiara: that should be fine |
| 05:51.50 | xiara | what? |
| 05:51.54 | Guerin | xiara: yeah. or cp "a b c.gif" abc.gif |
| 05:51.57 | xiara | "Program\ Files"??? |
| 05:52.04 | xiara | Thats too descriptive of a directory name for linux. |
| 05:52.13 | jyfletcher | lol |
| 05:52.14 | mono | Guerin, thx |
| 05:52.17 | xiara | you need to do .. "prf" |
| 05:52.18 | kenboo | i just annoyed ppl a bit :P |
| 05:52.23 | xiara | or maybe "pgl" |
| 05:52.28 | xiara | that makes more linux-sense. |
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| 05:52.39 | Guerin | what's better, though, is to sanitise all your filenames before you start, using rename 's/ /_/g' * or similar |
| 05:53.45 | xiara | /home/oln/prf/wmp/bin/dll/drvs/d21.dll <-- look... I renamed everything to 4 chars max to be "linux-friendly"! |
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| 05:54.43 | gameover | does anoyone know how to install the ATi propriatary driver on sarge with 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 05:55.30 | xiara | because on linux, if it has more than 5 characters, it was ported from micro$oft |
| 05:55.42 | jyfletcher | gameover: last I tried it, it was not fun and didn't work very well. But the 'alien' program will convert the .rpm to a .deb and it seemed to install cleanly. On your own after that. |
| 05:55.45 | zinx | gameover: apt-get the packages.. or better, get the ones from sid |
| 05:55.59 | zinx | oh, those aren't in debian yet |
| 05:56.00 | xiara | what does apt-get do? |
| 05:56.01 | rep2 | is postfix able to download messages from pop3 accounts? |
| 05:56.04 | zinx | erh yes they are |
| 05:56.18 | zinx | o_O |
| 05:56.21 | zinx | no, that's just me :P |
| 05:56.22 | jyfletcher | I didn't grab debians. Maybe that will work much better. :) |
| 05:56.29 | Guerin | rep2: no. Postfix is a smtp server. |
| 05:56.30 | zinx | !tell gameover about ati debs |
| 05:56.45 | gameover | thx |
| 05:57.17 | Guerin | !tell xiara about fundamentals |
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| 05:57.21 | rep2 | what am I looking for so I can read my local mail, and other pop3 accounts via pine and webmail (i only have postfix and pine working) |
| 05:57.44 | maher | rep2: fetchmail |
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| 05:57.54 | Guerin | rep2: can't pine access pop directly? |
| 05:58.01 | Guerin | yeah, fetchmail or getmail |
| 05:58.08 | Guerin | or mutt |
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| 05:59.13 | rep2 | guerin: which would you suggest? |
| 05:59.25 | cthulfuego | rep2: Use pine, mutt, elm or fetchmail (fetchmail is your best bet) |
| 05:59.40 | cthulfuego | rep2: Or, if you use X, try Evolution or Kmail or Thunderbird. |
| 05:59.45 | Guerin | rep2: fetchmail. |
| 05:59.48 | rep2 | no, its only a server |
| 06:00.11 | rep2 | what about for viewing via a browser? horde or squirrelmail? |
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| 06:00.40 | Guerin | rep2: I prefer squirrelmail, but horde doesn't use frames so some people prefer it. |
| 06:00.49 | jyfletcher | rep2: if it is a server, why not just forward your mail elsewhere with a .forward file. |
| 06:00.56 | cthulfuego | Does horde still use 'phplib' these days? |
| 06:00.58 | gameover | zinx, how good are those sid ati drivers |
| 06:01.17 | Guerin | no idea |
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| 06:01.27 | cthulfuego | gameover: They should work, but don't give great performance. |
| 06:01.33 | keenan | how could piping the standard error stream to "cat" possibly change the realtime performance? |
| 06:01.34 | ncsu | how do you remove a user? |
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| 06:01.41 | cat | ncsu: deluser user |
| 06:01.48 | keenan | gaaa this is driving me crazy |
| 06:01.48 | zinx | gameover: they're not in sid; i was mistaken -- packages are on the site i made dpkg tell you, though |
| 06:01.51 | ncsu | thank cat |
| 06:01.54 | cat | np |
| 06:01.58 | cthulfuego | keenan: Why would you pipe ANYTHING to cat? |
| 06:02.04 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:02.08 | cthulfuego | cat: no offense |
| 06:02.12 | Guerin | sane people pipe shit out of cat |
| 06:02.15 | rep2 | I would like the server to collect all my mail (from the local address, and other pop3 accounts) so I can view it from any location via the web, or pine through ssh |
| 06:02.18 | keenan | lol, someone's name is cat |
| 06:02.32 | Guerin | rep2: nothing's stopping you. |
| 06:02.33 | keenan | just to see if it made a difference, and it does |
| 06:02.34 | zinx | gameover: they work well enough once you figure out how to get them installed; there are still a few bugs, and they're slower than the windows counterparts, but they're stable and provide much faster than you'll ever get with Mesa |
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| 06:02.35 | cthulfuego | Guerin: cat is invariably not needed. Use '<' instead. |
| 06:02.38 | keenan | i can't understand it |
| 06:02.41 | Guerin | cthulfuego: true. |
| 06:02.46 | cat | keenan: man cat |
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| 06:02.55 | keenan | i know what cat does!! |
| 06:03.07 | cat | if you know why do you say is so hard to understand? |
| 06:03.07 | cthulfuego | !wayttd keenan |
| 06:03.07 | ncsu | shows stuff? |
| 06:03.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, keenan? |
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| 06:03.14 | Guerin | keenan: then why are you trying to pipe anything into it? |
| 06:03.27 | keenan | trying to figure out what is going on with this realtime scheduling |
| 06:03.28 | Guerin | to append it to a file? |
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| 06:03.53 | keenan | no, the cat thing was just an experiment which gave weird results |
| 06:04.01 | keenan | which i'm trying to understand |
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| 06:04.05 | cthulfuego | keenan: Test the realtime scheduling by using a SANE emthod first, THEN conclude it's not working OK. |
| 06:04.28 | cthulfuego | keenan: What did you run? |
| 06:04.29 | keenan | I did, I tried just running ogg123 with chrt, and it didn't work |
| 06:04.35 | ncsu | dpkg: fuck ncsu |
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| 06:04.39 | keenan | but it DOES work when I pipe stderr through cat |
| 06:04.43 | keenan | which makes no sense |
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| 06:05.00 | cthulfuego | keenan: 'pipe stderr through cat' does not compute. |
| 06:05.12 | keenan | here's the command i used |
| 06:05.15 | ncsu | dpkg: shit on ncsu |
| 06:05.16 | cthulfuego | please |
| 06:05.24 | ncsu | heh |
| 06:05.29 | keenan | chrt -f 10 ogg123 song.ogg 2>&1 | chrt -o 0 cat |
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| 06:05.49 | keenan | the "chrt -o 0" was just to make sure cat was running as a normal process |
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| 06:06.11 | rep2 | guerin: I'm not sure how to |
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| 06:07.00 | Guerin | rep2: ok. If you're prepared to forgo the webmail side of things, your life gets a lot easier. |
| 06:07.01 | cthulfuego | keenan: So 'chrt -f 10 ogg123 song.ogg' does not work, whilst 'chrt -f 10 ogg123 song.ogg 2>&1 | chrt -o 0 cat' does? |
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| 06:07.38 | ncsu | dpkg: clit |
| 06:07.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, clit is slang for the clitoris, or that little pointer-device on the home row of some laptops |
| 06:07.38 | keenan | yes, the first one works but stops playing music when I run something else at a low nice value |
| 06:07.49 | keenan | the second one works all the time flawlessly |
| 06:07.52 | rep2 | guerin: webmail can be done later |
| 06:08.03 | Guerin | ncsu: if you want to talk dirty, go to #123 |
| 06:08.28 | cthulfuego | keenan: ok, just checking what you meant by 'piping through cat'. I have no experience with chrt |
| 06:08.38 | cthulfuego | rep2: Well... |
| 06:08.39 | Guerin | rep2: ok. The webmail will necessitate an imap server and setting up ssl on your webserver. I'm not sure you want to do this. |
| 06:08.59 | cat | which is a good mail client? |
| 06:09.04 | Guerin | cat: mutt |
| 06:09.07 | xiara | i can fit all of fedora 2 on a floppy. |
| 06:09.07 | keenan | writing to stderr should never block, right? |
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| 06:09.12 | cthulfuego | rep2: By contemplating it now, you can pick a mail backend that will give nice imap performance (coz you need imap for webmail) |
| 06:09.20 | Guerin | xiara: lots of urls, huh? |
| 06:09.22 | keith__ | Can anyone help with cups? I've got it as far as printing the test page but nothing else. |
| 06:09.28 | eskilo | how can i edit the applications/places/desktop menu? |
| 06:09.37 | xiara | Guerin: eh? |
| 06:10.07 | Guerin | xiara: well, I can fit all of debian on one line ... |
| 06:10.12 | cat | which is a good mail client? |
| 06:10.17 | cthulfuego | cat: yes |
| 06:10.20 | eskilo | cat pine |
| 06:10.27 | cat | pine?> |
| 06:10.34 | cthulfuego | cat: Actually, no. 'which' is shit at accessing mail. |
| 06:10.37 | eskilo | yeah. type "pine" |
| 06:10.39 | rep2 | i already have apache2 running with ssl |
| 06:10.42 | xiara | Guerin: can you boot off of it? |
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| 06:10.51 | cthulfuego | eskilo: pine isn't in debian main. |
| 06:11.02 | eskilo | it doesn't come with debian? |
| 06:11.03 | cthulfuego | cat: Give 'mutt' a go. |
| 06:11.05 | Guerin | xiara: you can't boot off a line. but I can put that line on a bootable floppy |
| 06:11.06 | eskilo | that's insane. |
| 06:11.12 | mwilson | hm, rss2email is an interesting tool... |
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| 06:11.15 | Guerin | no, pine is insane |
| 06:11.17 | xiara | what are you talking about? |
| 06:11.25 | Guerin | xiara: ftp://ftp.kr.debian.org/debian/ |
| 06:11.27 | eskilo | pine is a solid email program that should come with any linux distro. |
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| 06:11.31 | Growly | im the man |
| 06:11.31 | xiara | The most advanced linux application ive ever seen is NIBBLES.BAS. |
| 06:11.33 | Guerin | xiara: that's all of debian, right there. |
| 06:11.35 | cat | oh let me see =) |
| 06:11.38 | xiara | no |
| 06:11.41 | cthulfuego | eskilo: It's not allowed to distribute a precompiled pine. Their license is dumb, nothing debian can do about it. |
| 06:11.41 | eskilo | my girlfriend loves gnibbles. |
| 06:11.42 | mrfg | i tried to burn iso, using : burn -I -n File.ISO |
| 06:11.43 | xiara | thats all of debian on an ftp server |
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| 06:11.56 | Guerin | eskilo: if the pine developers thought that, they'd have made their program free software. |
| 06:11.58 | eskilo | i've seen tons of distros with pine on them. |
| 06:12.04 | mrfg | and it gives error that insert blank cd, but i already inserted blank cd, |
| 06:12.14 | Guerin | eskilo: yeah. Most distros aren't free software. |
| 06:12.18 | mrfg | what is the prob with this? plz help me |
| 06:12.19 | eskilo | slackware? |
| 06:12.21 | maher | Guerin: i think the problem is with u wash |
| 06:12.28 | eskilo | mandrake? fedora? |
| 06:12.31 | Guerin | maher: yeah. |
| 06:12.38 | Guerin | eskilo: not free software. |
| 06:12.41 | eskilo | all free |
| 06:12.49 | eskilo | those are all free. |
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| 06:12.49 | Guerin | eskilo: not if they have pine in them. |
| 06:12.49 | maher | Guerin: they have a particularly creative interpretation of their own license |
| 06:12.51 | eskilo | fedora is free. |
| 06:12.55 | cat | /var/mail/cat: No such file or directory (errno = 2) |
| 06:12.59 | cthulfuego | eskilo: free as in speech. pine is not. Thus it's not in main. |
| 06:12.59 | mwilson | eskilo: Except it's not. |
| 06:13.00 | Guerin | eskilo: not if it has pine in it. |
| 06:13.09 | cthulfuego | cat: You have no mail. |
| 06:13.12 | mwilson | FC has the nVidia driver in it, hence it's not free. |
| 06:13.17 | maher | Guerin: which i suspect is legally untenable |
| 06:13.21 | deadcat | cat: maybe your mta is not using /var/mail |
| 06:13.22 | cat | but i haven't configured it though |
| 06:13.26 | Guerin | maher: but who wants to argue? |
| 06:13.27 | rep2 | what packages do I need to install? |
| 06:13.30 | maher | Guerin: indeed |
| 06:13.32 | eskilo | fedora is free. free as in beer, not as in speech. |
| 06:13.35 | gameover | moudule-assistant says kernel headers could not be found, and i have them installed |
| 06:13.41 | Guerin | eskilo: that's not free. |
| 06:13.44 | eskilo | lel |
| 06:13.45 | cthulfuego | eskilo: Debian is free. Free as in speech AND beer. |
| 06:13.45 | eskilo | lol |
| 06:13.46 | cat | how can i configured mutt dpkg-reconfigure mutt ? |
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| 06:14.02 | deadcat | cat: try it |
| 06:14.02 | caiqian | eskilo: pine has restricted the freedom to distribute modifications |
| 06:14.04 | cthulfuego | cat: You don't. You edit ~/.muttrc |
| 06:14.16 | eskilo | well that's unfortunate. it's still a good small email program. |
| 06:14.19 | cthulfuego | cat: There is a sample .muttrc in /usr/share/doc/mutt/ |
| 06:14.23 | Guerin | cat: man muttrc |
| 06:14.26 | cat | no such |
| 06:14.28 | cthulfuego | eskilo: It's a damn behemoth. |
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| 06:14.34 | Guerin | cat: configuring mutt is a lot of fun |
| 06:14.40 | Guerin | fsvo fun |
| 06:14.54 | Guerin | eskilo: yes. But mutt is better. |
| 06:14.55 | cat | it is? |
| 06:14.58 | john | how do i switch it so e-term uses bash ultimately? |
| 06:15.01 | Guerin | yes, it is. |
| 06:15.07 | deadcat | mwilson: you know whats up with the font in xine? http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/huge.png |
| 06:15.08 | cat | how? |
| 06:15.10 | Guerin | john: as opposed to... |
| 06:15.11 | keith__ | Can anyone help with cups? |
| 06:15.19 | cthulfuego | Soemthing that's an MUA, a pop client and a newsreader is *not* small. |
| 06:15.31 | Guerin | cat: it's free, for a start. |
| 06:15.32 | john | Sh |
| 06:15.41 | Guerin | john: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 06:15.42 | maher | keith__: ask a question |
| 06:15.42 | cat | yeah |
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| 06:15.49 | eskilo | i just checked out mutt. |
| 06:15.52 | eskilo | it's pretty bad. |
| 06:15.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:15.57 | eskilo | it uses vi |
| 06:16.01 | cthulfuego | eskilo: Compared to what? |
| 06:16.05 | Guerin | eskilo: it uses $EDITOR |
| 06:16.08 | cthulfuego | eskilo: omg! |
| 06:16.08 | wrd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.16 | cthulfuego | eskilo: export EDITOR=xemacs; mutt |
| 06:16.17 | eskilo | Guerin: my mistake then. |
| 06:16.23 | eskilo | i know how to export the editor! |
| 06:16.24 | john | Guerin: |
| 06:16.25 | john | john@blackrain:~$ ls -l /bin/sh |
| 06:16.25 | john | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2005-01-12 18:18 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 06:16.33 | Guerin | john: you have your answer. |
| 06:16.47 | cthulfuego | eskilo: liar |
| 06:16.51 | eskilo | lol |
| 06:17.02 | eskilo | i've set my editor before so that crontab wouldn't use bloody vi. |
| 06:17.05 | keith__ | maher: I can get to do a test page but the aplications cannot print from it. eg mozilla,abiword etc |
| 06:17.08 | cat | is balsa bad? |
| 06:17.11 | Guerin | eskilo: would now be the right time to say 'STFU n00b'? |
| 06:17.18 | eskilo | not to me. |
| 06:17.19 | cthulfuego | if you install vim it will stop using vi. |
| 06:17.21 | Guerin | cat: yes, balsa is horiffic |
| 06:17.24 | eskilo | i just used slackware for two years genius. |
| 06:17.25 | wrd | -> sylpheed claws :) |
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| 06:17.34 | Guerin | eskilo: haha |
| 06:17.35 | cthulfuego | cat: Do you run KDe or Gnoem? Or something else? |
| 06:17.45 | cat | nope just waimea, |
| 06:17.51 | maher | keith__: what does lpq say |
| 06:18.07 | cthulfuego | cat: Mozilla has a nice-ish mail client, 'thunderbird'. |
| 06:18.25 | eskilo | i've never had any reason to use mutt. |
| 06:18.34 | eskilo | thunderbird has a long way to go. |
| 06:18.41 | cthulfuego | cat: If your machine is fast enough, you could try Evolution. |
| 06:18.42 | Guerin | yeah, I agree. |
| 06:18.51 | Guerin | thunderbird is worse than evolution. |
| 06:18.55 | cat | my machine sux, |
| 06:18.59 | cat | i will get a p4 |
| 06:19.00 | eskilo | i think it's slightly better. |
| 06:19.00 | keith__ | maher:no entries |
| 06:19.14 | eskilo | thunderbird and evolution both have annoying problems. they won't let me define my own trash directroy. |
| 06:19.14 | cthulfuego | eskilo: I wouldn't trust a pine user's opinion on any mail related software. |
| 06:19.17 | eskilo | directory. |
| 06:19.28 | Guerin | thunderbird's header display is fucking useless, and non-configurable |
| 06:19.29 | eskilo | cthulfuego: i don't use pine. i used it years ago in college. |
| 06:19.39 | eskilo | how is it useless? |
| 06:19.56 | eskilo | cthulfuego: on a ui level pine is excellent. |
| 06:20.02 | cthulfuego | cat: Do you need to? |
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| 06:20.09 | debian | eskilo: I'm curious what MUA do you use then? |
| 06:20.13 | eskilo | you can make complaints about pine's proprietary-ness, but it's interface is excellent. |
| 06:20.14 | cthulfuego | cat: If you can afford anew P4, you can afford an AMD64 too. |
| 06:20.16 | maher | keith__: what does it say about your printer in the cups webpa ge |
| 06:20.17 | Guerin | click the + to show all headers, and it takes up most of your screen, shrinking the actual mail view pane down to ridiculous sizes |
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| 06:20.20 | gameover | im wondering, i have kernel 2.6.8-2-k7 installed, is kernel-source-2.6.8 what i need? |
| 06:20.30 | eskilo | debian: evolution or thunderbird. usually just my web mail. |
| 06:20.30 | mithro | what packages include more fonts? |
| 06:20.34 | eskilo | fastmail.fm |
| 06:20.35 | eskilo | it's great. |
| 06:20.36 | Guerin | I also found thunderbird flakey over imap/tls |
| 06:20.43 | cthulfuego | eskilo: pines interface is damned slow compared to mutt or elm. |
| 06:20.45 | eskilo | mithro: you can just copy some from a win machine. |
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| 06:20.50 | debian | eskilo: ic |
| 06:20.50 | eskilo | slow? |
| 06:20.54 | chealer | gameover: yes, or kernel-headers depending what you want to do? |
| 06:20.58 | caiqian | mithro: unifont? |
| 06:21.03 | Guerin | mithro: apt-cache search fonts |
| 06:21.05 | cthulfuego | Guerin: imap/tls seems Ok here, it's not liking smtp/tls though. |
| 06:21.08 | mlalkaka | what's a good place to store the source files of an installation? e.g. "/usr/local/src"? is that a safe directory to make writeable by a non-root user? |
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| 06:21.10 | cat | balsa is nice |
| 06:21.17 | Guerin | cthulfuego: hrm, that worked ok for me. |
| 06:21.18 | cthulfuego | eskilo: Yes. pine is slow. |
| 06:21.22 | mlalkaka | by installation i mean a program installation |
| 06:21.32 | cat | fast, |
| 06:21.34 | Guerin | mlalkaka: yeah. Better would be to use ~/src, though |
| 06:21.42 | eskilo | cthulfuego: that doesn't really make sense. it changes from page to page faster than the human eye can detect. |
| 06:21.44 | wrd | good night ... i get to sleep |
| 06:21.45 | eskilo | it's just text. |
| 06:21.49 | Guerin | mlalkaka: that way everyone's projects stay separate |
| 06:21.58 | eskilo | mlalkaka: why not just use that directory? |
| 06:22.17 | cthulfuego | eskilo: try running elm, mutt and pine on a 9600bit link. then come back and tell me I'm wrong. |
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| 06:22.23 | Guerin | mlalkaka: installation dir? Just build with prefix=/usr/local |
| 06:22.38 | Guerin | mlalkaka: or use checkinstall, or build proper debian packages |
| 06:22.49 | keith__ | maher: Everything is OK according to the web page. |
| 06:22.51 | xiara | Bob barker doesn't use linux. Why should I? |
| 06:22.56 | mlalkaka | Guerin, eskilo: because i dont want to fill my home directory up too much, and i'm the only linux-competant user who installs programs, especially from source |
| 06:22.58 | maher | keith__: localhost:631? |
| 06:22.59 | Guerin | wtf is bob barker? |
| 06:23.13 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Someone's dog? |
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| 06:23.43 | Guerin | mlalkaka: nobody except root should install software anyplace other than in ~ |
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| 06:23.50 | maher | keith__: what is the name of your printer |
| 06:24.02 | Guerin | mlalkaka: if you don't have root on this machine, you shouldn't be installing software on it. |
| 06:24.12 | keith__ | maher: yes, localhost 631 |
| 06:24.23 | xerophyte | http://elementcomputer.com/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=53&Itemid=65 <= does anybody knwo any other solution liek this one |
| 06:24.37 | maher | keith__: what is the name of the printer - does it say Defalut destination |
| 06:24.40 | mlalkaka | Guerin, yeah. that's what i mean. i want to install a program from source as root. i'm looking for a good place to store the source files |
| 06:24.56 | keith__ | maher:HP Deskjet 930c |
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| 06:25.14 | Guerin | mlalkaka: oh, the source files. Yeah, they can stay in /usr/src I guess. I'd put them in ~, but whatever does it for you. |
| 06:25.23 | [dksuiko] | Say I have a Debian Sarge installation setup right now.. If tommorrow Debian Sarge went to stable, would I be able to go from unstable to stable? |
| 06:25.33 | jm_ | [dksuiko]: no |
| 06:25.46 | mindframe | how do i set a default kernel image to boot from in the lilo config? |
| 06:25.50 | [dksuiko] | doh |
| 06:25.52 | cthulfuego | [dksuiko]: You can never go from unstable to stable. |
| 06:25.53 | mlalkaka | Guerin, ok, i'll keep them in ~ as well. |
| 06:25.56 | mlalkaka | Guerin, thx. |
| 06:25.58 | [dksuiko] | ok, thnx. |
| 06:26.01 | mithro | anyone know a keymap program which will just let me press the key on the keyboard and then tell it what it should be? |
| 06:26.06 | jm_ | [dksuiko]: but Sarge to stable will work (Sarge is testing, not unstable) |
| 06:26.08 | maher | keith__: do you have hpijs installed |
| 06:26.17 | jm_ | mithro: try xkeycaps |
| 06:26.19 | cthulfuego | [dksuiko]: if your sources.list mentiuons 'sarge' and not 'testing' you'll go from testing to stable, though. |
| 06:26.21 | [dksuiko] | jm: doh! yeah, thats what i meant |
| 06:26.27 | [dksuiko] | testing, not unstable |
| 06:26.29 | gameover | im trying to install with module-assistant, it says i have no headers when the headers ARE in /usr/src |
| 06:26.35 | Guerin | um, no, sarge to stable will be just as hard as sid to stable |
| 06:26.35 | maher | [dksuiko]: make sure source.list says sarge |
| 06:26.49 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Not when sarge magically IS stable, one day. |
| 06:26.52 | jm_ | Guerin: not when Sarge becomes stable |
| 06:26.54 | Guerin | since sid and sarge are only a couple weeks apart, in most cases |
| 06:27.04 | Guerin | oh, the upgrade path |
| 06:27.08 | Guerin | not the downgrade |
| 06:27.21 | jm_ | well it won't be either at that point ;) |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:27.32 | cthulfuego | [dksuiko]: if you have a 2-year out of date unstable system, you can probably upgrade THAT to stable. |
| 06:27.40 | gameover | should i put the kernel headers in the /usr/src/kernelsorcedirectory? |
| 06:27.42 | keith__ | maher: yes but perhaps it is not linked. How do I do that? |
| 06:27.42 | chealer | gameover: hum, did you m-a prepare ? |
| 06:27.51 | [dksuiko] | ah, okay.. so if i have a sarge installation today, and sarge becomes stable tommorrow.. nothing really needs to be changed as the source.list says sarge? |
| 06:27.51 | cthulfuego | [dksuiko]: I got away with that a couple of weeks ago. |
| 06:27.55 | maher | keith__: apt-get install hpijs |
| 06:27.58 | cthulfuego | [dksuiko]: indeed. |
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| 06:28.07 | [dksuiko] | cool |
| 06:28.13 | cthulfuego | [dksuiko]: You want to make sure you have the security.debian.org lines for sarge, though. |
| 06:28.44 | [dksuiko] | ah |
| 06:28.46 | gameover | it says they are prepared in /usr/src/linux .... thats not where they are |
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| 06:29.02 | Guerin | gameover: man ln |
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| 06:29.11 | mindframe | my networking init script has disapeared... what the hell? |
| 06:29.46 | helloyo | wait, is sarge becoming stable tomorrow? |
| 06:29.50 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 06:29.54 | maher | helloyo: maybe |
| 06:30.01 | helloyo | oooh... |
| 06:30.09 | gcbirzan | It'd better not, with apt-proxy in it. :-P |
| 06:30.13 | keith__ | maher: Thanks for that. I've enough clues to work on now. I'll log out now and try what you said. |
| 06:30.27 | TheTom | is there a little program that i can use to set an upload limit ? |
| 06:30.29 | Guerin | then again, maybe not |
| 06:30.31 | [dksuiko] | helloyo: i dunno, was a hypothetical situation |
| 06:30.34 | chealer | !sing sarge |
| 06:30.34 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 06:30.43 | TheTom | :) |
| 06:30.53 | TheTom | dylanpkg |
| 06:30.59 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:31.01 | kenboo | i still see bunch of pkgs being updated everyday |
| 06:31.06 | jm_ | TheTom: there's a bunch of scripts, some may suit you |
| 06:31.09 | gameover | this is probably the crappy way to do this but i think ill just copy the headers to /usr/src/linux |
| 06:31.29 | Guerin | gameover: just make a symlink |
| 06:32.03 | bob2 | gameover: er, from /usr/include/? |
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| 06:32.08 | TheTom | jm_: i tried apt-cache search upload limit but no luck. actually it listed bittornado though, and that's what eating away all my bandwidth now |
| 06:32.17 | bob2 | TheTom: trickle. |
| 06:32.27 | jm_ | TheTom: you can sepcify it on bittornado's command line |
| 06:32.27 | helloyo | should i give recompiling my kernel a go? up for a challenge, and does it make much difference? |
| 06:32.42 | bob2 | helloyo: no, it doesn't |
| 06:32.45 | TheTom | jm_: aha. nice... thanx bob2 |
| 06:33.12 | jm_ | TheTom: limit number of uploads and upload rate and you'll be fine (it's a shame you can't change it on the fly, that's why I stopped using bittornado) |
| 06:33.30 | gameover | kde is showing something that looks like a "windows shortcut", probably a syslink, hmm |
| 06:34.40 | chealer | gameover: that won't help you...man ln |
| 06:34.59 | gameover | i gues 2.6.8-2-k7 and 2.6.8 dont get along |
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| 06:35.36 | chealer | what do you mean? |
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| 06:35.43 | jm_ | don't mix kernel headers for specific Debian kernel image with your own or with kernel image for a diff. architecture/version |
| 06:36.24 | TheTom | jm_: know what the auto (-1) option does? |
| 06:37.00 | helloyo | does debian have supermount support? |
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| 06:37.26 | Selecter | Hi. I want cdrecord to wait until I put cd into tray and close it. Does it support something like this? Or maybe I could write a bash script to wait on loop till tray is closed and cd is inside. But where to get information that cdrom tray is closed? I've searched in /proc for a while but have not found anything. |
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| 06:39.12 | jm_ | TheTom: I never tried it (maybe it works like in some other clients, where it's only incremented if it doesn't hurt your downloads) |
| 06:39.52 | jm_ | Selecter: one way to do it is to use cdrecord -atip and wait until it returns proper info for the disc |
| 06:40.00 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I am running debian on a nt based network and it refuses to stay on line with the gateway? |
| 06:41.12 | gameover | well i got it to try this time, but, **no rule to make target 'Makefile'. Stop |
| 06:41.43 | Una_El_Sysdrum | How do I get it to play nice? with the other machines? |
| 06:41.53 | bob2 | gameover: what are you doing? |
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| 06:42.19 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: what do you mean it won't stay online? |
| 06:42.32 | Whistleboy | anyone know how to get Thunderbird to open firefox without sending it through konqueror first? |
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| 06:42.53 | gameover | trying to make the ATi driver |
| 06:43.02 | gameover | based off of http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin |
| 06:43.04 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: be more specific |
| 06:43.06 | Una_El_Sysdrum | It plays on the network and see the internet for like 30 minutes or so and then it just refuses to see the gateway? |
| 06:43.30 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: how are you giving it an ip / dns info |
| 06:43.43 | kyle__ | Is it possible to make grub get a kernel from a SW raid array? If not, what's the easiest way to go from a SW raid of /boot onto invidual disk partitons and set up grub on that without having to reinstall my 10min old deb install? |
| 06:43.52 | bob2 | gameover: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:44.22 | mindframe | why cant i resolve any addresses? i have the appropriate nameservers in resolv.conf |
| 06:44.25 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I gave it a ip out of the dhcp range so that it doesn't have to work with the router in that way |
| 06:44.51 | Una_El_Sysdrum | becuase it would not see the dhcp in the first place |
| 06:44.51 | peterS | mindframe: one cause of this that I saw once was /etc/nsswitch.conf being unreadable by non-root users |
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| 06:45.06 | mindframe | peterS: im root though |
| 06:45.14 | gameover | "too few arguments" |
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| 06:45.20 | bob2 | mindframe: can you ping them? |
| 06:45.21 | sbk | kyle__: while I haven't used such a configuration, if you have a mirror'd raid, then grub in theory should be able to access either mirror as a regular filesystem |
| 06:45.26 | bob2 | gameover: indeed, it's a verb, not a command |
| 06:45.32 | mindframe | bob2: icmp is broken. :( |
| 06:45.39 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: can you ping the gateway? |
| 06:45.43 | gameover | bob2 ahh well i dunno what that does |
| 06:45.47 | Una_El_Sysdrum | yes... |
| 06:45.48 | bob2 | mindframe: nc -u dns 53 |
| 06:45.55 | kyle__ | sbk, as in just point it at the actual partition instead of mdwhatever? |
| 06:45.56 | bob2 | gameover: install that package |
| 06:46.00 | mindframe | bob2: dont have nc |
| 06:46.03 | bob2 | gameover: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 06:46.08 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: ok - i dunno |
| 06:46.13 | deadcat | how does cpufreq_performance and cpufreq_powersave work? |
| 06:46.13 | peterS | mindframe: it's in the 'netcat' package. handy little utility |
| 06:46.14 | bob2 | mindframe: then you need to find a tool you do have |
| 06:46.15 | Una_El_Sysdrum | but i can't ping outside of the router.. |
| 06:46.18 | gameover | bob2 i have my kernel headers installed |
| 06:46.19 | bob2 | or get someone else to unfuck your network |
| 06:46.21 | mindframe | bob2: for some reason my networking init script has disapeared. |
| 06:46.32 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: does dns work |
| 06:46.36 | sbk | kyle__: yes, that's correct. I don't know the actual commands to run, but yes -- it ought to just work on the underlying device forming the partition. |
| 06:46.44 | bob2 | mindframe: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out? |
| 06:46.52 | kyle__ | sbk, alright, thanks |
| 06:46.53 | sbk | s/forming the partition/forming the mirror |
| 06:46.59 | gameover | bob2 but i tried it anyway, newest version installed allready |
| 06:47.05 | mindframe | bob2: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 06:47.11 | bob2 | off |
| 06:47.17 | bob2 | tr f d |
| 06:47.25 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: don't msg me |
| 06:47.40 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: ping by ip and see if it works |
| 06:47.54 | Una_El_Sysdrum | okay |
| 06:48.08 | Una_El_Sysdrum | let me try taht |
| 06:48.10 | Una_El_Sysdrum | *that |
| 06:48.25 | mindframe | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.59 | Una_El_Sysdrum | okay it sees all the hardwired computers on the network and the gateway???? but does not see the wireless computers.. or the outside |
| 06:50.18 | bob2 | using more than one '?' will make people not bother helping you. |
| 06:51.14 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: are the wireless computers on a different subnet |
| 06:51.18 | deadcat | bob2: do you use cpufreq_powersave and cpufreq_performance? |
| 06:51.27 | bob2 | deadcat: userspace |
| 06:51.27 | mindframe | what causes "ping: unknown protocol icmp." |
| 06:51.35 | deadcat | bob2: how that work? |
| 06:51.39 | bob2 | mindframe: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 06:51.40 | deadcat | what do i need? |
| 06:51.47 | peterS | mindframe: is /etc/protocols not readable? |
| 06:51.48 | bob2 | deadcat: a daemon tells the kernel what to do |
| 06:51.48 | eskilo | ??? adds emphasis. |
| 06:51.49 | eskilo | it's good. |
| 06:51.56 | peterS | mindframe: that would explain a great deal, if so |
| 06:51.57 | bob2 | eskilo: epmhasis that you're annoying |
| 06:51.58 | mindframe | bob2: yes. but ive done it the same way many times and never had this error |
| 06:52.11 | eskilo | i love how there's this tendency in linux channels for people to be really anal. |
| 06:52.19 | zignig | bob2: i'm annoying too ;P |
| 06:52.20 | mindframe | peterS: /etc/protocols does not exist :( |
| 06:52.21 | deadcat | bob2: whats the pkg called? |
| 06:52.22 | eskilo | you use a few extra exclamation points, you're an idiot. |
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| 06:52.26 | bob2 | deadcat: it's a module, iirc, and then you install cpufreqd or powernow |
| 06:52.31 | peterS | mindframe: that's a problem. I wonder how you got your system into that state |
| 06:52.31 | mindframe | this hard drive is funny |
| 06:52.41 | mindframe | i think ive got hardware issues |
| 06:52.52 | peterS | mindframe: it's in the 'netbase' package |
| 06:52.53 | mindframe | ive never had these problems on any install |
| 06:52.56 | deadcat | bob2: will that conflict with pbbuttonsd? |
| 06:53.08 | bob2 | deadcat: no |
| 06:53.12 | deadcat | thanks |
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| 06:53.23 | deadcat | bob2: cpufreqd or powernow ? |
| 06:53.42 | Una_El_Sysdrum | yes I put them under a 10.10.10.0 ip range under a wireless router with it's own dhcp that connected in to the main |
| 06:53.43 | bob2 | deadcat: they use different policies for deciding what speed to run at |
| 06:53.44 | mindframe | peterS: heh i think that got removed along with inetd. |
| 06:53.48 | bob2 | both are configurable |
| 06:53.51 | deadcat | k |
| 06:54.06 | eskilo | does anyone know how to mount a samba share over an ssh tunnel? |
| 06:54.34 | peterS | mindframe: do you take DCC? put this file in /etc/protocols - the file format is pretty simple so you can read the file and verify that I didn't put anything stupid in there.. |
| 06:54.35 | bob2 | deadcat: cpufreqd makes it easier to run at low speeds all the time |
| 06:55.11 | mindframe | hold on peterS |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | mindframe: the important entries are "ip 0 IP", "icmp 1 ICMP", "tcp 6 TCP" and "udp 17 UDP" |
| 06:55.18 | maher | Una_El_Sysdrum: so you can ping the gateway but its not sending your packets on? |
| 06:55.25 | peterS | mindframe: just a file with those 4 lines in it would probably be good enough |
| 06:55.57 | mindframe | peterS: im just gonna redo my install real quick. how should i safely remove inetd and atd? |
| 06:56.00 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I guess? |
| 06:56.14 | deadcat | bob2: thanks. |
| 06:56.14 | peterS | mindframe: remove them? just reinstall. 'apt-get install --reinstall ...' |
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| 06:57.10 | deadcat | bob2: you knwo why my xine fonts are so damn big? |
| 06:57.23 | mindframe | peterS: cant resolve any addresses, so i cant reach apt mirrors |
| 06:57.27 | bob2 | deadcat: xine always looks like ass |
| 06:57.32 | bob2 | deadcat: I just accepted it and moved on |
| 06:57.52 | peterS | mindframe: right, that's why I told you what to put in /etc/protocols, so that you might be able to get your network working again well enough to reinstall some stuff |
| 06:58.04 | mindframe | ok ill do that |
| 06:58.26 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I will change the dns to outside the router maybe that will fix it |
| 06:58.42 | deadcat | bob2: but i have to use gtk-font-name="scan 6" to make it small. usually 8 should do the trick. and gdm is huge as well because its not using my .gtkrc-2.0 file |
| 06:59.04 | mindframe | peterS: ok ive got those in. still cant resolve |
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| 06:59.21 | gameover | interesting, when clicking "Makefile" in the kernel headers directory it says it does not exist |
| 06:59.23 | peterS | mindframe: did the 'icmp 1 ICMP' line in /etc/protocols make ping happy again? |
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| 06:59.31 | mindframe | peterS: yes it works now |
| 06:59.45 | peterS | mindframe: so, you have /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/resolv.conf both intact? |
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| 07:00.13 | bob2 | deadcat: well, gdm is a system daemon, it's not going to see yours |
| 07:00.15 | mindframe | yes |
| 07:00.26 | mindframe | peterS: yes i do |
| 07:01.07 | helloyo | what does it mean launcher can't be reached by DCOP? and how do i fix it? |
| 07:01.13 | peterS | mindframe: hmmm, not sure what other files might be important for resolving. make sure resolving *is* the problem - use 'ping google.com' as a test, to make sure ping can resolve it. since we know ping works after the resolving part (you already tested that) |
| 07:01.37 | gameover | why would it say that "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7/Makefile" does not exist anymore? |
| 07:01.40 | deadcat | bob2: ya. but my desktop gdm font is nice... i am thinking it has to do with my XF86Config-4 or something. or my 60refresh on the ibook. |
| 07:01.55 | bob2 | deadcat: I doubt it's either |
| 07:02.02 | bob2 | deadcat: do you have decent trutype fonts installed? |
| 07:02.08 | mithro | is there any good tool to manage network profiles under debian? |
| 07:02.09 | bob2 | helloyo: #debian-kde |
| 07:02.10 | mindframe | peterS: ok to paste two lines here? |
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| 07:02.18 | bob2 | mindframe: laptop-net is ok I hear |
| 07:02.25 | Skiver | hello all |
| 07:02.28 | peterS | mindframe: I think 2 lines is ok to paste. a few people get grumpy about that. 3 lines is not ok. |
| 07:02.31 | zophyx | why does sshd authenticate me but and then close the connection ? |
| 07:02.35 | eskilo | i'm trying to mount a samba share over an ssh tunnel. i can create the tunnel but i get an error when i try to mount using smbmount. |
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| 07:02.38 | mindframe | peterS: PING 216.239.37.99 (216.239.37.99): 56 data bytes |
| 07:02.38 | mindframe | ping: sendto: Network is unreachable |
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| 07:02.50 | mindframe | peterS: that is google's ip |
| 07:02.56 | peterS | mindframe: network unreachable generally means you don't have a default route set |
| 07:02.58 | deadcat | bob2: i have ttf-freefont ttf-opensymbol |
| 07:03.10 | peterS | mindframe: type 'netstat -rn' to see if you have an entry for 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:03.13 | bob2 | deadcat: both are kinda shit |
| 07:03.15 | mindframe | peterS: ok how do i set a gateway with ifconfig? |
| 07:03.18 | deadcat | bob2: nice. my cpu is now at 400mhz. (= |
| 07:03.20 | Skiver | i am on debian sid, when i use synaptic to do dist-upgrade, programs like k3b will be removed. how can i prevent that ? |
| 07:03.27 | bob2 | deadcat: but are their paths mentioned in /etc/fonts/font.conf? |
| 07:03.28 | deadcat | bob2: what you recommend? |
| 07:03.34 | peterS | mindframe: you don't, you set it with route: route add default gw a.b.c.d |
| 07:03.34 | bob2 | Skiver: don't dist-upgrade |
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| 07:03.50 | gameover | where does debian keep downloaded packages or what is the modifier to redownload? |
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| 07:04.02 | peterS | gameover: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 07:04.03 | Bewd | Is there anyone that feels like helping me get sound going? |
| 07:04.05 | deadcat | bob2: no. they are not in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. how do i update that file? |
| 07:04.10 | bob2 | gameover: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 07:04.12 | Bewd | I've worked a little with it but it's still not working =x |
| 07:04.15 | eskilo | is there any fairly simple secure way to mount a remote directory? |
| 07:04.15 | mindframe | peterS: fixed. thank you :) |
| 07:04.23 | bob2 | eskilo: SFS |
| 07:04.24 | peterS | mindframe: so your network seems sane again? |
| 07:04.29 | bob2 | nfs over ssh, I hear |
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| 07:04.44 | mindframe | peterS: i think, trying to connect to ftp.us.debian.org again |
| 07:04.46 | eskilo | hopefully nfs over ssh is more prone to working than samba over ssh. |
| 07:04.49 | bob2 | deadcat: the path they drop their fonts in is not in font.conf or local.conf? |
| 07:04.49 | Bewd | Sound server informational message: |
| 07:04.50 | Bewd | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 07:04.50 | Bewd | device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device) |
| 07:04.50 | Bewd | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 07:05.06 | Skiver | bob2 : security.debian.org is in my source list, how do i know which pkg is critical ?? |
| 07:05.12 | eskilo | how are people supposed to edit web pages if it's so hard to mount the remote directory |
| 07:05.19 | peterS | mindframe: what you need to do to fix this permanently is edit /etc/network/interfaces. this requires /etc/init.d/networking so if you lost that, you need to reinstall netbase. which I guess you were gonna do anyway |
| 07:05.29 | sep | eskilo: edit localt upload with sftp |
| 07:05.29 | maher | Skiver: security doesn't apply to unstable |
| 07:05.34 | deadcat | bob2: grep ttf /etc/fonts/* returns nothing |
| 07:05.39 | bob2 | Skiver: sid doesn't get security updates from there |
| 07:05.40 | eskilo | sep: har har |
| 07:05.56 | hairy_potter | \o> |
| 07:05.58 | hairy_potter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.59 | hairy_potter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:06.02 | hairy_potter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.02 | eskilo | sep: it would be great to do an sftp upload every three seconds |
| 07:06.02 | maher | eskilo: use rsync |
| 07:06.08 | eskilo | what is rsync? |
| 07:06.09 | _KonvIRC | opps got kicked for that... |
| 07:06.09 | bob2 | deadcat: "dpkg -L ttf-blah" shows they have "ttf" in the pathname |
| 07:06.16 | mindframe | peterS: yeah im tryign to install netbase now. how do i get rid of inetd without killing netbase? |
| 07:06.21 | bob2 | eskilo: rsync won't help |
| 07:06.23 | Skiver | maher, bob2 : thanks |
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| 07:06.30 | sep | eskilo: you are faster them me in vi then if you edit your page ecery 3 seconds. |
| 07:06.30 | maher | eskilo: rsync your site to localhost - edit and test - rsync it back |
| 07:06.41 | mindframe | peterS: in the past ive just "apt-get remove --purge netkit-inetd" without problems |
| 07:07.00 | peterS | mindframe: that's a tricky one. I think inetd is still sucked in by netbase these days. best thing you can do in that case is use 'rcconf' or similar to avoid starting it |
| 07:07.25 | eskilo | edit and test? |
| 07:07.34 | eskilo | i need to upload it back to the site to test it. |
| 07:07.39 | mindframe | peterS: i guess ill just delete the init script for it |
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| 07:07.53 | mindframe | peterS: for some reason i still cant connect to ftp.us.debian.og |
| 07:08.02 | maher | eskilo: run apache locally |
| 07:08.14 | eskilo | that's such a convoluted method. |
| 07:08.18 | Bewdit | I get this message when I start kde: 'Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device) The sound server will continue, using the null output device." |
| 07:08.23 | peterS | mindframe: can you manually? try "telnet ftp.us.debian.org http" and if it connects, type "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" and hit Enter twice |
| 07:08.27 | eskilo | i need to be able to edit my web site and have it work instantly |
| 07:08.27 | Bewdit | I just want sound to work =x |
| 07:08.34 | maher | eskilo: what editor ison the remote box? |
| 07:08.39 | sep | eskilo: better then putting a flawed site up on the web for testing. |
| 07:08.54 | mindframe | peterS: hehe, telnet is in netbase. i cant even ping it |
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| 07:09.08 | peterS | mindframe: you can't ping it? still get a 'network unreachable'? or what? |
| 07:09.37 | mindframe | peterS: well i can ping it now, but it still wont connect. |
| 07:09.55 | peterS | mindframe: have you got the line in /etc/protocols, "tcp 6 TCP"? |
| 07:10.04 | deadcat | bob2: are you on your ibook? |
| 07:10.10 | bob2 | deadcat: no, x40 |
| 07:10.16 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:10.23 | mindframe | peterS: yes |
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| 07:10.43 | peterS | mindframe: what does telnet say, then? assuming you've got it installed somehow |
| 07:11.02 | deadcat | bob2: hows acpi and sleep/suspend on the x40? |
| 07:11.17 | bob2 | deadcat: perfect |
| 07:11.20 | deadcat | damn |
| 07:11.42 | bob2 | swsusp seems rooted in 2.6.10 |
| 07:11.56 | bob2 | but even the DRI-is-fucked-after-resume thing is fixed now |
| 07:12.10 | mindframe | peterS: i dont have it installed, since its in netbase |
| 07:12.11 | peterS | mindframe: hmmm. does /etc/services exist? if not, you may need to create one with a couple of lines: "ftp 21/tcp" "ftp-data 20/tcp" "www 80/tcp http" |
| 07:12.24 | mindframe | hehe |
| 07:12.32 | deadcat | bob2: i am using 2.6.10 on my ibook as well. seems cool it didnt hang after a panic. i still able to reboot |
| 07:12.43 | bob2 | deadcat: ah, nice |
| 07:12.50 | bob2 | deadcat: how's suspend going for you? |
| 07:13.40 | mindframe | peterS: still cant connect :/ |
| 07:13.41 | deadcat | bob2: works fine. no problems at all. but weird thing is that i suspended it last night and went to bed. today the bat is dead. (=. third time since i got the ibook. its weird. |
| 07:14.04 | bob2 | deadcat: sometimes it eats the battery really quickly? |
| 07:14.16 | peterS | mindframe: what error? |
| 07:14.45 | deadcat | bob2: no. i just dont know what happen to it on those 3 occasion. |
| 07:14.48 | mindframe | peterS: apt just hangs w/ "[Connecting to ftp.us.debian.org (208.185.25.35)]" |
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| 07:14.52 | thd | How do I identify what device is 00:0a.0 and resolve the conflict? From demesg: PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0 IRQ routing conflict for 00:0a.0, have irq 5, want irq 11 |
| 07:15.05 | mindframe | peterS: protocol is http in sources.list |
| 07:15.05 | peterS | thd: lspci |
| 07:15.21 | mwilson | deadcat: it woke up? Read the log. |
| 07:15.44 | deadcat | mwilson: didnt wake up after those 3 times. clock reset back to way back. (= |
| 07:15.53 | zakame | hello |
| 07:16.01 | peterS | mindframe: so, you have 'www 80/tcp http' in /etc/services and 'tcp 6 TCP' in /etc/protocols and now it's hanging. great, just great. |
| 07:16.02 | mwilson | deadcat: The log should still have been there. |
| 07:16.15 | deadcat | mwilson: oh. check next time. heheh. |
| 07:16.19 | mindframe | peterS: :) i could have a fresh install up in 5 minutes :) |
| 07:16.23 | peterS | mindframe: clearly name resolution is working, so your network isn't entirely dead. I guess that's a good sign. |
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| 07:16.33 | mindframe | peterS: netinst is great |
| 07:16.41 | deadcat | mwilson: what you think is up with my font on the ibook? seen the pic yet? |
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| 07:16.59 | peterS | mindframe: I can't think what other files from netbase would be needed |
| 07:17.06 | mwilson | deadcat: Font? |
| 07:17.24 | deadcat | mwilson: same config as my desktop. |
| 07:17.26 | peterS | mindframe: maybe /etc/hosts with "127.0.0.1 localhost" in it? that shouldn't be needed, though, really |
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| 07:17.36 | mwilson | deadcat: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 07:17.48 | mindframe | peterS: its got that :/ |
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| 07:18.51 | deadcat | mwilson: my xine and gdm fonts are huge on my ibook. compare to other apps. |
| 07:19.25 | mindframe | peterS: im gonna go ahead and reinstall. ill be sure to pay attention to what apt is uninstalling in the future |
| 07:19.28 | thd | peterS: Is PCI is the sound card. How do I change the pnp irq settings? |
| 07:19.48 | mwilson | deadcat: <shrug> xine is crap, it screws up just to screw up. If I had to guess about gdm, it has a different idea of the screen DPI than after you log in. |
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| 07:20.15 | peterS | thd: figure out what else is using IRQ 11, I suppose.. "cat /proc/interrupts" |
| 07:20.30 | Bewd | Can someone help me with some sound issues? I finally got sound working on debian, some sound that is... I get all the little maxamize sounds and junk but some stuff doesn't work |
| 07:20.30 | deadcat | mwilson: does fonts have anything to do with my refresh rates? |
| 07:20.30 | peterS | thd: with PCI devices, you generally don't have a choice about which IRQ to use, except by changing settings in your BIOS config at boot time |
| 07:20.35 | Bewd | like the cd player, and flash toons |
| 07:20.37 | mwilson | No. |
| 07:20.42 | deadcat | ah |
| 07:20.47 | deadcat | damn |
| 07:21.33 | peterS | Bewd: common problem: make sure you are in the 'audio' group. "adduser yourusername audio" |
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| 07:21.36 | peterS | Bewd: then log out and back in |
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| 07:21.50 | deadcat | bob2: if i am on low_cpu_boost, how do i jump to hi_cpu_boost if i want to compile some stuff? |
| 07:22.00 | jm_ | Bewd: most sound card/driver combinations allow only one application to use sound device at a time, so that may be a problem - you can use dmix plugin in ALSA for software mixing |
| 07:22.31 | bob2 | deadcat: I don't know |
| 07:22.55 | thd | peterS: so the easy way is still to try to boot another OS that has pnp support and hope the changes stick for rebooting to linux. |
| 07:23.02 | bob2 | deadcat: I use powernowd which just switches the cpu speed based on the CPU usage |
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| 07:23.08 | bob2 | (ie it does what you're asking by default) |
| 07:23.13 | Bewd | says I am already a member for audio |
| 07:23.19 | peterS | thd: the thing is, most devices and device drivers don't mind sharing an interrupt line with something else |
| 07:23.32 | peterS | thd: that's why you should do 'cat /proc/interrupts' to determine what *is* using IRQ 11 |
| 07:23.35 | jm_ | bob2: how much battery life do you save with powernowd? |
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| 07:23.50 | Bewd | but why does some stuff run... like if I open a movie from the cd, it will play with sound, but it won't play in a media center |
| 07:23.55 | deadcat | bob2: do you have to config anything for powernowd? |
| 07:23.57 | bob2 | jm_: I'm not really sure |
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| 07:24.06 | bob2 | jm_: screen brightness seems to be the killer |
| 07:24.07 | jm_ | Bewd: sound daemon interfering maybe |
| 07:24.29 | bob2 | deadcat: you can configure when it goes up and down (ie what cpu use percentage it knocks up the cpu speed) |
| 07:24.53 | mwilson | I get more battery life out of both the PB and the iBook by turning the brightness down. |
| 07:25.16 | bob2 | yeah |
| 07:25.17 | jm_ | bob2: ohh so it's still the same then - tune that down for longer life (well it will always be an issue, but I thought the effect is lower these days) |
| 07:25.28 | bob2 | that's...10% extra by going from max to min |
| 07:25.40 | thd | peterS: /proc/interrupts has no listing for irq 11 |
| 07:25.43 | Bewd | how can I fix this jm_ ? |
| 07:25.48 | bob2 | that and not using wifi seems to be the biggest savings |
| 07:25.52 | jm_ | Bewd: are you running GNOME or KDE? |
| 07:25.55 | Bewd | kde |
| 07:26.15 | deadcat | i use pbbuttonsd to turn the brightness down. |
| 07:26.54 | deadcat | bob2: aint no config file for powernowd |
| 07:27.08 | jm_ | Bewd: go into its control center |
| 07:27.25 | Bewd | k |
| 07:27.31 | bob2 | deadcat: /etc/default/powernowd, iirc |
| 07:27.40 | peterS | thd: I have no idea why your sound driver thought it was getting IRQ 5, then, when it wanted IRQ 11 |
| 07:28.00 | deadcat | bob2: i only have power is that dir. |
| 07:28.15 | helloyo | could somebody here help me with emovix? if anyone here uses it that is |
| 07:28.16 | jetscreamer | we know it used to mostly only be 5 for sound eh |
| 07:28.21 | deadcat | bob2: that might be part of pbbuttonsd though |
| 07:28.40 | bob2 | deadcat: it just lets you tweak the command line flags |
| 07:28.46 | bob2 | deadcat: you can edit /etc/init.d/powernowd or whatever |
| 07:28.56 | deadcat | k |
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| 07:29.26 | bob2 | mwilson: slashdot and distrowatch do!11111 |
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| 07:29.41 | peterS | bob2: freshmeat too, yes? |
| 07:29.45 | mwilson | Ah, now only if either one were worth reading. |
| 07:29.46 | thd | peterS: I am trying to discover what problem is causing my external serial hardware modem to be limited to 900B/s |
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| 07:30.03 | bob2 | distrowatch is the second stupidest linux website I've seen |
| 07:30.13 | bob2 | linuxtoday is probably #1 |
| 07:30.36 | Guerin | osnews is pretty bad |
| 07:30.45 | mwilson | LT isn't all that bad. I just treat it like an aggregator. |
| 07:31.00 | peterS | thd: when the serial driver is initialised (either when you load the 'serial' module, or during boot, if it's built in) it'll talk about the serial ports it found |
| 07:31.01 | Bewd | jm_ ? |
| 07:31.02 | Guerin | and linuxquestions.org has to take the cake as worst help/support site |
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| 07:31.13 | mwilson | You don't want to waste your time actually reading commentary on LT, though. |
| 07:31.14 | jm_ | Bewd: ! |
| 07:31.20 | Bewd | I'm in the controll center... |
| 07:31.29 | Guerin | Bewd: push the red button |
| 07:31.32 | jm_ | Bewd: so find the setting for sound daemon there |
| 07:31.45 | maher | mwilson: particularly as the editors troll the site... |
| 07:31.46 | mwilson | I keep thinking that linuxquestions will implode... so much stupidity concentrated in one place. |
| 07:31.53 | peterS | thd: also, /proc/interrupts will talk about serial having IRQ 4 or so. does it? |
| 07:32.00 | Guerin | mwilson: if only |
| 07:32.18 | thd | peterS: checking bootlog |
| 07:32.34 | mwilson | Why do people bother forming sites like that? The intelligent stay away, so all you have is the stupid spoon-feeding the stupid. |
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| 07:33.10 | maher | mwilson: and that differs from #debian in what way? |
| 07:33.20 | mindframe | maher: ahaha |
| 07:33.21 | Bewd | jm_ do I want 'enlightened sound daemon' instead of 'auto detect'? |
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| 07:33.40 | Bewd | that is the only mention of daemon I can find |
| 07:33.55 | peterS | Bewd: auto-detect ought to work for most apps, really |
| 07:33.57 | mwilson | RSS is yet another tool to enable me to not have to load a browser. |
| 07:34.00 | Guerin | maher: there are a good half-dozen genuinely onto-it regulars in here |
| 07:34.12 | mwilson | For that, it's worth using. |
| 07:34.13 | Guerin | out of 800 |
| 07:34.23 | thd | peterS: irq4 is set for the serial port as it should have been from the bios |
| 07:34.25 | jm_ | Bewd: check what is occupying sound device now (use lsof for example) - it's probably best to use auto-detect or to completely disable it |
| 07:34.44 | bob2 | rss2email. |
| 07:34.55 | mwilson | bob2: Yep. |
| 07:35.06 | mwilson | bob2: I quite like it. |
| 07:35.07 | peterS | thd: and it does say "ttyS0 is a 16550A" or similar? |
| 07:35.15 | bob2 | mwilson: ah |
| 07:35.35 | deadcat | bob2: nice. powernowd dont have to config shit. goes to 800mhz when i compile shits. heheh |
| 07:35.35 | Bewd | says it is used by '1' |
| 07:36.02 | mwilson | Glance through a mail folder quickly, no browser necessary. |
| 07:36.27 | mwilson | I have mutt set to auto-delete mail out of the folder after it's more than a day old, so nothing builds up. |
| 07:36.34 | bob2 | ah, nifty |
| 07:36.35 | Bewd | soudcore used by '2 [i380 audio]' |
| 07:37.14 | Bewd | what can I do with that? |
| 07:37.46 | jm_ | Bewd: that's lsmod output, isn't it? |
| 07:38.01 | mwilson | bob2: Anything that makes the machine do the work, rather than me, is worthwhile. |
| 07:38.04 | Borgon | Has anyone here ever played with xen? |
| 07:38.29 | Bewd | yeah... |
| 07:38.56 | jm_ | well use lsof to find the application using it, not lsmod |
| 07:39.04 | mwilson | bob2: Right now I have it running r2e once an hour, although I think I'll change that to run like 1/2 hour before I get up, and again about 1/2 hour before I get home at night. |
| 07:39.44 | Bewd | lsof gives me a huge list... sorry I'm such a noob... I don't even see anything like audio |
| 07:40.03 | Guerin | Borgon: sgeigerbot is a big fan .. if you catch him, he'll probably have a lot to say about it. |
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| 07:40.59 | Borgon | Hi, |
| 07:40.59 | Borgon | ok thanks, i saw him talking but i thought he was a bot |
| 07:40.59 | Borgon | How many isos are required for the minimal or recommened install of debian? |
| 07:41.06 | jm_ | Bewd: lsof|egrep 'dsp|audio' (might make sense to add ALSA devices in there if you're using that) |
| 07:41.15 | Guerin | Borgon: one |
| 07:41.36 | Piru | borgon, or none |
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| 07:42.40 | Skiver | !cvs |
| 07:42.40 | dpkg | hmm... cvs is the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 07:43.10 | Bewd | says 'audio' not found |
| 07:43.21 | Borgon | Guerin, what do the other 5 or 6 have? |
| 07:43.42 | Guerin | Borgon: extra packages which you can get over the network at your leisure. |
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| 07:44.22 | Coke | I'm experiencing problems with a 2.6.8 kernel compiled from Debian (sarge) sources, it freezes/hangs after 20-30 hours and the last message I see in the TTY is something about DMA interrupts and timeouts. I don't know of the message is related to the kernel freezing, but is 2.6.8 known to freeze? |
| 07:45.25 | Borgon | Guerin, does it atleast come with dev/network tools on first iso install? |
| 07:45.26 | Borgon | Whats the different with r3 and r4 in download? ive been around nix for years but never got close to debian |
| 07:45.34 | bob2 | Borgon: we went through this before |
| 07:45.39 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 07:45.39 | dpkg | methinks cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 07:45.45 | bob2 | Borgon: each rN release just rolls in security fixes fro mthe past few months |
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| 07:46.07 | Guerin | Borgon: look at the packagelists and decide for yourself. |
| 07:46.17 | Borgon | jeez so many security fixes i feel like moving back to bsd |
| 07:46.19 | Borgon | ok |
| 07:46.42 | Guerin | Borgon: basically, though, the cd contents are irrelevant, because once you install you can download them trivially. |
| 07:46.43 | Coke | Haha, silly rabbit, magic is just for kids. |
| 07:46.54 | mwilson | Oh, yes... after all, BSD never has any fixes. |
| 07:47.08 | Borgon | If i install from the r4, do i have to download the update-r4 also? |
| 07:47.09 | bob2 | Borgon: bear in mind it's fixes for 10 000 packages |
| 07:47.10 | Guerin | Borgon: because bsd (which uses almost all the same programs which had to be fixed) is magically invulnerable... |
| 07:47.14 | bob2 | Borgon: dude |
| 07:47.15 | Guerin | Borgon: no. |
| 07:47.19 | bob2 | Borgon: I told you this yesterday |
| 07:47.32 | Guerin | Borgon: are you always this stupid, or are you putting on a special show just for us? |
| 07:47.38 | bob2 | Borgon: it doesn't matter what you install, since you're going to be getting security updates off the net in about 10 seconds anyway |
| 07:47.41 | bob2 | Guerin: chill |
| 07:47.51 | Borgon | i asked about kernel.. but ok i ggot it |
| 07:48.11 | Borgon | Guerin, play nice or some people will play bad |
| 07:48.20 | Guerin | Borgon: ooh, will they? |
| 07:48.28 | Coke | Guerin: but perhaps he doesn't know how simple and uncomplicated life can be since he comes from BSD |
| 07:48.30 | Guerin | this IS me playing nice. |
| 07:48.53 | Borgon | well bob2 thanks, am downloading at 300kb/sec ill play with this and vmware |
| 07:48.54 | jetscreamer | borgon, expound |
| 07:49.04 | Coke | Guerin: a _lot_ of people don't know how easy their lives could have been years ago, had they only started using Debian earlier |
| 07:49.11 | jetscreamer | (here kitty kitty) |
| 07:49.23 | Guerin | Coke: Yeah. I sure as hell didn't until I got out of rpmware... |
| 07:49.25 | Bewd | Debian > other flavors? |
| 07:49.50 | Coke | Evaluates to true |
| 07:49.57 | jetscreamer | bewd, ymmv |
| 07:50.27 | Bewd | I'm really new to all of this... I used knoppix a little, and redhat a little and am really starting to get into debian... what makes it so much better? |
| 07:50.29 | Coke | Is there a crash log by default in the 2.6 kernel or do I need to enable it somewhere? |
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| 07:51.22 | Coke | Bewd: by the people for the people in a very democratic fashion |
| 07:51.39 | Coke | Bewd: which basically means user gets what user wants |
| 07:51.44 | Borgon | Bewd, am not a debiane xpert since i never ran it but my feeling is that it has keep the true linux roots and didnt put an eye candy mask like rh and mandrake with guis for everything |
| 07:51.47 | Piru | you get insulted by everyone, equally :-) |
| 07:51.51 | Vyrus001 | how do i set my year to the correct one ? |
| 07:51.57 | Bewd | I thought that was all linux in general |
| 07:52.06 | maher | Vyrus001: date |
| 07:52.16 | thd | peterS: X is starting to cause problems and I could not copy the line from /proc/interupts but there was no UART specific information just the device identification as serial. |
| 07:52.21 | Coke | Bewd: linux is just the kernel. |
| 07:52.25 | Vyrus001 | maher|| date --set .. i know but is there a way to set the year only ? |
| 07:52.32 | Bewd | but isn't it all open source |
| 07:52.37 | peterS | thd: the UART thing would be in your boot log, not in /proc/interrupts |
| 07:52.37 | Coke | Bewd: no |
| 07:52.43 | jm_ | Vyrus001: use ntpdate |
| 07:52.43 | Coke | Bewd: to begin with, it's free software. |
| 07:52.49 | Bewd | yeah |
| 07:53.00 | Vyrus001 | jm_|| /me googles |
| 07:53.12 | jm_ | Vyrus001: /msg dpkg ntpdate |
| 07:53.12 | Guerin | !tell Bewd about why debian |
| 07:53.28 | Coke | Bewd: secondly, if you have tried other distributions/projects you must have noticed that they have some really anoying flaws. most of those flaws are gone in Debian. |
| 07:54.19 | peterS | Bewd: (a) package selection (b) package quality (c) architecture selection |
| 07:54.24 | Bewd | I havn't tried them very long... for some reason I'm really getting into linux lately.. The most I did with redhat really was install it |
| 07:54.26 | peterS | Bewd: those are the three biggest advantages to Debian |
| 07:54.31 | maher | (d) cool logo |
| 07:54.35 | peterS | oh yeah |
| 07:54.45 | Coke | no ho ho ho, the logo is butt ugly |
| 07:54.53 | Bewd | So do you guys think it's noob to run a GUI in debian? |
| 07:54.53 | Coke | in fact, it looks like a cartoon anus |
| 07:55.07 | maher | Bewd: no - its bizarre not to run a gui |
| 07:55.07 | Coke | Bewd: *sigh* |
| 07:55.08 | peterS | Bewd: most people here run a GUI in Debain |
| 07:55.12 | jetscreamer | debian doesn't expect you to know what time zone some city other than the one you live in is in |
| 07:55.14 | Coke | maher: no it's not. |
| 07:55.24 | maher | Coke: umm.... ok |
| 07:55.29 | Coke | Bewd: it's not cool nor uncool to run anything that makes YOU more efficient. |
| 07:55.56 | thd | peterS: bootlog show 16550A uarts |
| 07:55.58 | Coke | Bewd: some people are more efficient with icons and point'n'click while those of us who can read and write feel more comfortable with a keyboard. ;) |
| 07:56.04 | tzafrir | anybody here using module-assistant? What does it mean when a kernel version is "not found"? |
| 07:56.18 | Bewd | Sorry for the stupid questions guys, and thanks for the great answers... |
| 07:56.32 | maher | Coke: what about those of us who like to see two different things on the screen at once? |
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| 07:56.45 | peterS | thd: so they're being detected correctly. and given IRQs and (presumably) the right ioports (you can verify the latter with 'grep serial /proc/ioports' - you should get 0x3f8 and 0x2f8) |
| 07:56.46 | Coke | maher: I can do that too. |
| 07:56.57 | Bewd | dpkg: thanks for the links |
| 07:56.57 | dpkg | Bewd: sure thing |
| 07:56.59 | Coke | maher: there are plenty of window-less window managers out there. |
| 07:57.02 | maher | Coke: how do you look at pdfs i console? |
| 07:57.09 | maher | coke windows are gui |
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| 07:57.22 | Coke | maher: yes, that's why I have window-less window manager |
| 07:57.34 | chealer | dpkg: I love you |
| 07:57.35 | dpkg | The feeling's not mutual |
| 07:57.43 | tzafrir | ion? |
| 07:57.45 | maher | ratpoison is a gui |
| 07:57.46 | Coke | indeed |
| 07:58.16 | Bewd | Here is another quick (hopefully) question, my resolution in kde can only go up to 800/600 even when I specified 1280/1024 in the setup |
| 07:58.21 | Bewd | is there a way I can get more resolutions? |
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| 07:58.50 | Coke | Bewd: pick the correct video card driver, reconfigure X manually. |
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| 07:59.12 | jm_ | Bewd: check your config file and X logfile by hand (but don't modify anything yet) |
| 07:59.31 | tarzeau | why does the all pages of http://wiki.debian.net/ have that crappy advertisement: "Try [Mono] and code with portablity with Debian. #" ? |
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| 07:59.39 | Coke | I think the kernel hangs because the new disk I bought is somehow damaged. |
| 07:59.48 | jm_ | Coke: check logs |
| 08:00.01 | Bewd | where can I find the config and x logfiles at and what am I looking for ? |
| 08:00.07 | Coke | Bewd: no. and I like to keep things public in the channel |
| 08:00.13 | Coke | jm_: which ones? |
| 08:00.16 | chealer | tarzeau: it's in the cookies (or something like that) you can change it yourself |
| 08:00.20 | peterS | Bewd: the log is /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:00.21 | chealer | click the "#" |
| 08:00.27 | peterS | Bewd: the config is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:00.28 | jm_ | Coke: although that might not work if the disk really goes poo - just disable screen saver and let it dump everything to console, that way you'll see what was going on |
| 08:00.47 | jm_ | Bewd: /dpkg also knows about it : /msg dpkg x logfile |
| 08:00.53 | Coke | jm_: I do not have X on during the nights. |
| 08:00.53 | jm_ | well dpkg not /dpkg |
| 08:01.12 | tarzeau | chealer: the shit barks at me: This web site does not allow anonymous editing. Please go to User Preferences button and create a UserName for yourself. |
| 08:01.16 | Coke | jm_: the last TTY message mentions a DMA interrupt timeout, but I couldn't see if it said anything about which disk it was. |
| 08:01.25 | jm_ | Coke: there's also a screen blanker for consoles, and it often pays off to disable it in such situations in case you can't unblank it with keyboard |
| 08:01.34 | jm_ | Coke: does keyboard still work? |
| 08:01.45 | Coke | jm_: no. it's frozen up. |
| 08:01.58 | Coke | jm_: I haven't tried SSH and network. |
| 08:02.03 | tzafrir | Coke, can you connect from a different computer? |
| 08:02.04 | Coke | jm_: since I only have one machine. |
| 08:02.16 | jm_ | Coke: yeah, so it's probably best to disable blanking, and even that might not help a lot |
| 08:02.28 | Coke | jm_: I don't have blanking. |
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| 08:02.47 | Bewd | ok I have the log and config file... what do I need to change? |
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| 08:02.59 | jm_ | Coke: ahh, then it probably scrolled off the screen |
| 08:03.05 | Coke | jm_: there were only two lines on TTY1 this morning, both of them looked like the regular kernel yada-yada, it mentions DMA, interrupt and timeout. |
| 08:03.09 | Coke | jm_: no. |
| 08:03.10 | thd | peterS: the ioports appears to be correct. (I cannot even switch windows after selecting text in this X session.) |
| 08:03.12 | chealer | tarzeau: yeah, it's true... I advocated wiki.debian.net to change to mediawiki. meanwhile, click "AnonymousUser" |
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| 08:03.21 | jm_ | Bewd: nothing, first check if higher resolutions are enabled and if X server doesn't discard them |
| 08:03.23 | Coke | jm_: the last thing BEFORE those messages were my output from when I logged out yesterday. |
| 08:03.41 | jm_ | Coke: that's because it doesn't dump everything to console |
| 08:03.53 | Coke | jm_: can I enable a crash-log? |
| 08:04.15 | chealer | tarzeau: there's really no registration...but you choose a nick! |
| 08:04.16 | tzafrir | why won't they change those default colors? |
| 08:04.26 | peterS | thd: so your config is normal. I don't know why your serial port would suddenly speak 900 baud. how did you measure that? |
| 08:04.36 | thomas_adam | peterS: |
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| 08:04.42 | peterS | thomas_adam: |
| 08:04.42 | Bewd | I just see a lot of this in there, nothing about higher resolution: |
| 08:04.43 | peterS | thomas_adam: hey! |
| 08:04.43 | Bewd | SubSection "Display" |
| 08:04.43 | Bewd | Depth1 |
| 08:04.43 | Bewd | Modes"800x600" "640x480" |
| 08:04.58 | jm_ | Bewd: no pasting! |
| 08:05.03 | thomas_adam | How's things? |
| 08:05.10 | peterS | thomas_adam: can't complain, can't complain. yourself/ |
| 08:05.11 | peterS | ? |
| 08:05.15 | Bewd | um... ok |
| 08:05.26 | thomas_adam | Jyst pulled an all-nighter on an assignment due in today. Heh. |
| 08:05.40 | peterS | thomas_adam: all-nighter ... that doesn't sound good, coming from you |
| 08:05.44 | jm_ | Coke: I don't think that's in vanilla kernel |
| 08:05.52 | thomas_adam | The days and nights are like one now... |
| 08:05.53 | Coke | jm_: my kernel has hung three times in less than a week, I need to get to the bottom with this. My first resort is to try an older 2.6.4 kernel that I know works. |
| 08:06.18 | Bewd | So I take it just changing one of those display options in the config file to 1280 and 1024 wouldn't fix it? |
| 08:06.30 | Coke | If I wanted to arbitrarely reboot my computer I'd just install Windows. |
| 08:06.40 | jm_ | Bewd: first find out (from logfile) which sections it uses (ServerLayout will help), then from there find out which Screen and Monitor sections are used, then finally check which resolutions are mentioned there |
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| 08:07.08 | thd | peterS: my current measure has been downloading packages in dselect. But certainly all tcp seems to be less than half the 2.X KB/s I have under another OS on the same machine. |
| 08:07.16 | jm_ | Coke: I don't think I have had 2.6 running for more than 10-12 hours, but it looks OK so far |
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| 08:07.39 | thomas_adam | Thanks. |
| 08:07.44 | jm_ | Coke: just let it dump everything to console and also check if your logs ahve messages from before the crash and if they're useful |
| 08:07.45 | Coke | jm_: my machine worked until 6:25:02 which is the last syslog entry, then it went poo poo. |
| 08:07.56 | Coke | jm_: it dumped only those two lines of message. |
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| 08:08.04 | thomas_adam | Bewd: If you like, sure. |
| 08:08.08 | peterS | thd: that makes me wonder if it's something about 2.6 kernel window scaling. have you tried this? "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling" |
| 08:08.14 | Coke | jm_: which look like a regular DMA timeout message. |
| 08:08.39 | Bewd | jm_ am I just looking for the word 'screen' and a value somewhere in that text? |
| 08:08.57 | Bewd | thomas_adam : would it work? |
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| 08:09.03 | thomas_adam | Bewd: Probably. |
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| 08:09.09 | jm_ | Coke: ahh cron.daily ;) |
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| 08:09.23 | thomas_adam | Bewd: Why don't you try it and find out -- making sure you monitor /var/log/XFree86.0.log in the process? |
| 08:09.24 | thd | peterS: before I try, i have kernal 2.4.27 using a new Sarge install. |
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| 08:09.40 | jm_ | Bewd: no, stuff like ServerLayout "Default Layout", |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0), | |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor" ... |
| 08:09.47 | peterS | Coke: jm_ is right. it's cron.daily, which runs 'updatedb', which causes a lot of disk activity, which is what causes your machine to crap out |
| 08:10.06 | peterS | thd: right, then it's not window scaling, since that's new in kernel 2.6 |
| 08:10.16 | Coke | peterS: so if I run it now I should be able to hang it? |
| 08:10.23 | jm_ | Coke: yes, most likely |
| 08:10.30 | Bewd | jm_ : OK I found a lot of resolution options, a lot of them say they are out of range |
| 08:10.31 | Coke | there's no updatedb in my cron.daily |
| 08:10.39 | peterS | Coke: yep. run 'updatedb' and the resulting disk activity is probably enough to trigger whatever hardware or driver bug you're seeing |
| 08:11.02 | thomas_adam | Run KDE, and you'll blow your machine up, |
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| 08:11.14 | Coke | running right now. *brr* |
| 08:11.23 | debian | Coke: has fam *disabled*? |
| 08:11.23 | jm_ | Bewd: yes, that's OK, some will be out of range |
| 08:11.38 | Coke | peterS & jm_ updatedb successfully run. :) |
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| 08:11.41 | Coke | debian: fam? |
| 08:11.43 | Bewd | jm_ : I found a like default mode... ect... |
| 08:11.44 | jm_ | Coke: it's in /etc/cron.daily/find |
| 08:12.02 | debian | Coke: ps aux | grep fam |
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| 08:12.10 | debian | Coke: you probably aren't running it |
| 08:12.13 | jm_ | Bewd: paste logfile and config file to paste site and someone might help (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:12.17 | peterS | Coke: well, that time 06:25:02 is too much of a coincidence - this must have happened as a result of the cron.daily run |
| 08:12.21 | Coke | debian: no. |
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| 08:12.25 | Coke | debian: I'm not. what is it? |
| 08:12.30 | debian | !fam |
| 08:12.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 08:12.33 | peterS | Coke: since the default /etc/crontab runs cron.daily at 06:25:00 |
| 08:12.38 | thomas_adam | debian: Stop confusing the issue. |
| 08:12.46 | reaux | can anyone help me install a Linksys PCMCIA Wireless LAN card with Woody net install |
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| 08:12.54 | Coke | peterS: it could have hung later than 6:25, that's just the last log entry. |
| 08:13.00 | thomas_adam | reaux: Sure, just push it in the slot... |
| 08:13.10 | reaux | heh its already in there? |
| 08:13.12 | fors | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.12 | thomas_adam | Next, please. |
| 08:13.14 | debian | thomas_adam: it was you who claimed that kde blow up his machine? no? :) |
| 08:13.19 | mattybats | hey, do people from debian need anymore testers |
| 08:13.25 | thomas_adam | debian: That's not confusing -- that's just common sense. |
| 08:13.30 | thd | peterS: I am going to restart X. The problems with text selection are too much just now. |
| 08:13.30 | jm_ | Coke: there would be a MARK entry if it lasted for another 10 minutes |
| 08:13.34 | thomas_adam | mattybats: Tasters? No. |
| 08:13.41 | debian | thomas_adam: nothing personal, but it's just bull... |
| 08:13.55 | thomas_adam | apt-get moo && cowsay moo |
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| 08:13.58 | Coke | jm_: oh. then it didn't. |
| 08:14.04 | debian | thomas_adam: I've yet to come across any machine blow up by running KDE. :P |
| 08:14.20 | reaux | thomas_adam, its not working even by just putting it in |
| 08:14.20 | Coke | it ALWAYS hangs 06:25 |
| 08:14.22 | Coke | damn it. |
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| 08:14.34 | thomas_adam | reaux: Why are you not installing Sarge and using it? |
| 08:14.42 | mattybats | just thought i might be able do something good with all the time i'm spending effingfing around with this testing version of debian |
| 08:14.46 | thomas_adam | reaux: I'd recommend Sarge at this point in time. |
| 08:14.49 | Coke | debian: what is fam and why would I need it? |
| 08:14.49 | reaux | k |
| 08:14.52 | thomas_adam | mattybats: /msg dpkg mg |
| 08:15.01 | thomas_adam | Coke: Youdon't. |
| 08:15.02 | peterS | Coke: you can ignore the fam thing |
| 08:15.13 | Coke | jm & peterS I'm going to run each cron.daily hack until it's all done. |
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| 08:15.16 | krenin | hello |
| 08:15.17 | Bewd | jm_ just tried that command and dpkg is going to ignore me now =P |
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| 08:15.26 | peterS | good idea, Coke |
| 08:15.31 | debian | Coke: in the past it comes with kde install, now it doesn't. Sweet |
| 08:16.06 | Coke | NO, it was a bad idea because I still didn't manage to hang the kernel. |
| 08:16.30 | Coke | what am I not seeing here? |
| 08:16.36 | thomas_adam | Real people? |
| 08:16.47 | debian | We're all dead people |
| 08:16.49 | peterS | Coke: don't know. I still can't believe that something that kills your machine at 06:25 is not related to cron.daily (: |
| 08:16.53 | debian | but we don't know we're dead |
| 08:16.55 | thomas_adam | That can be arranged... |
| 08:17.09 | chealer | mattybats: there are no official testers. users of testing are testers |
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| 08:17.22 | peterS | every irc connection dies. not every irc connection really lives |
| 08:17.31 | Coke | peterS: no, but it works now. there might be a combo, like letting it run for 10 hours and then run cron.daily |
| 08:17.45 | mwilson | peterS: Watching Highlander? |
| 08:17.52 | peterS | Coke: possibly something like that. I bet it's disk-related, anyway |
| 08:18.01 | Coke | fucking new crap disk. |
| 08:18.03 | peterS | mwilson: no, that line just rolled out for no particular reason |
| 08:18.03 | Bewd | jm_ If I change something in a log file it wouldn't affect anything would it? |
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| 08:18.15 | reaux | Sarge comes in a net_install version? |
| 08:18.20 | thomas_adam | reaux: Yes. |
| 08:18.23 | Coke | I hate hardware. I wish there was a way to run software without hardware. |
| 08:18.26 | thomas_adam | reaux: /msg debian netinst |
| 08:18.39 | peterS | Coke: you can do pencil-and-paper simulations |
| 08:18.46 | thomas_adam | I shouldn't be here. Toodles. |
| 08:18.48 | tzafrir | Coke, you can do it yourself |
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| 08:18.57 | mwilson | peterS: I swear, that's a quote from somewhere. |
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| 08:19.16 | debian | peterS: paper and pencil are hardware. :) |
| 08:19.19 | peterS | mwilson: well, it's a paraphrase from 'Braveheart' |
| 08:19.23 | tzafrir | (it would be very slow. in the order of IPS, but possible, and no extra hardware required) |
| 08:19.36 | peterS | debian: but they're *really* easy to debug when you have problems with them |
| 08:19.40 | debian | thomas_adam: why did you tell reaux to pm me? |
| 08:19.41 | peterS | debian: and pretty cheap to replace |
| 08:19.53 | reaux | i was just wondering that myself. |
| 08:20.07 | Coke | There used to be a crash dump file for 2.2 kernels, is that functionality still there? |
| 08:20.27 | peterS | Coke: that functionality never was in standard kernels. there are still patches out there for this sort of thing |
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| 08:21.01 | jm_ | Bewd: no, but it won't have any effect either |
| 08:21.09 | Coke | there's the "kernel debugging" option that I don't know what it does. |
| 08:21.14 | reaux | thomas_adam: did you mean /msg dpkg netinst ? |
| 08:21.19 | peterS | Coke: it just enables several other options |
| 08:21.28 | tzafrir | so any idea about module-assistant and using it as a user to build a module for multiple kernels? |
| 08:21.37 | peterS | or, I should say, *makes visible* several other options |
| 08:21.42 | jm_ | Bewd: what exactly did you try? "/msg dpkg paste" will tell you the site where you can paste things using your web browser and we can then read it) |
| 08:21.45 | mattybats | chealer: so how do the developers get feedback on shit? |
| 08:21.56 | mattybats | word o' mouth style? |
| 08:21.59 | Coke | and then there's the "sleep-inside-spinlock checking" which sounds like it would do what I want it to do. |
| 08:22.01 | peterS | mattybats: chiefly through http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 08:22.24 | peterS | Coke: sleep-inside-spinlock is only a problem if you run SMP or a preemptable kernel |
| 08:22.34 | Coke | peterS: I run preemptable |
| 08:22.45 | jm_ | Coke: try disabling it |
| 08:23.01 | jm_ | Coke: but having hardware problems will always cause problems |
| 08:23.07 | jm_ | well other problems |
| 08:23.13 | Coke | jm_: really? doesn't it improve speed for the user? |
| 08:23.18 | peterS | jm_: except on mainframe hardware / OSes |
| 08:23.23 | mattybats | peterS: how do you stop people who don't know what they're talking about from reporting bugs and the like? |
| 08:23.27 | jm_ | peterS: heh |
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| 08:23.47 | jm_ | Coke: well I didn't like behaviour, some people like it I guess |
| 08:24.06 | Coke | jm_: do you think it could be a part of the problem? |
| 08:24.25 | peterS | mattybats: you don't. two things happen, though: (1) the really stupid ones don't even think to report bugs, or can't figure out how. (2) when people do report stupid bugs, it's easy enough to close the bug saying "this isn't a bug" |
| 08:24.39 | jm_ | Coke: no, I think it just goes berserk because reading/writing from/to disk fails |
| 08:25.17 | Coke | hm. yep. |
| 08:25.30 | mattybats | peterS: doesn't eat up too much time checking all the frivilous shit? |
| 08:25.39 | peterS | mattybats: in practice it's not a big problem |
| 08:26.38 | peterS | mattybats: one more thing: if you use the 'reportbug' tool, it walks you through reading all the titles of the existing bugs on the same package, and makes you answer several questions. people who wish to report frivolous stuff don't usually get past that point |
| 08:26.56 | thd | peterS: irqtune http://cae.best.vwh.net/irqtune/ is a commonly referenced solution but does not work with 2.4 kernals. Re: Slow modem connection on FC1. http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11840 suggests setting stty but that was no help. I suspect that many systems have some problem that leads to poor dialup performance under linux. What could that problem be. I have seen this under slink, potato, and woody but the hard |
| 08:26.57 | thd | ware was too limited for me to suspect linux before. |
| 08:27.07 | dodol | chealer: GOD BLESS ME |
| 08:27.26 | chealer | hi dodol |
| 08:27.28 | peterS | thd: I have very little modem experience with Linux, unfortunately |
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| 08:28.12 | dodol | i've solved my previous thing dealing with ppp |
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| 08:28.36 | dodol | simply by typing : apt-get install ipmasq |
| 08:28.50 | chealer | cool! |
| 08:28.56 | mlewis00 | thd: Have you tried to connect to someplace with minicom to see if you can alter the behavior with direct modem commands (i.e. ATZ, etc.)? |
| 08:29.15 | dodol | it's all about nat thing i guess ... |
| 08:30.07 | Coke | What is the security update apt source? |
| 08:30.41 | Coke | The sources available in apt-setup are wrong, the security update entry is wrong, I get 404 not found. |
| 08:30.47 | chealer | dodol: thanks for the feedback, I'll remember that |
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| 08:32.13 | thd | mlewis00: I have used minicom for diagnostics earlier but my modems are external. |
| 08:32.16 | jm_ | Coke: it doesn't work for Sarge |
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| 08:32.33 | Coke | jm_: oh, I just entered a correct URL |
| 08:32.37 | Coke | jm_: now it works. |
| 08:32.42 | Coke | jm_: but the sarge install writes it wrong. |
| 08:32.43 | thd | mlewis00: What should I do with direct commands in minicom? |
| 08:33.18 | jm_ | Coke: well there are no security updates for Sarge |
| 08:33.51 | dodol | chealer: thanks a lot for your help, cheers .... |
| 08:34.25 | Coke | jm_: anything I should do before I leave my computer, something to add more information to the output? |
| 08:34.42 | mlewis00 | thd: You should still be able to use minicom to connect to some other machine and see if you can establish a higher connection rate with direct modem commands (i.e. see modem manual for specific commands) such as ATZ to reset the modem to the default config, ATDT555-555-1212 to dial, etc. |
| 08:35.01 | jm_ | Coke: well I would have syslog send stuff to a remote masine, or connect another one via serial cable and dump all logs to console |
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| 08:35.52 | Coke | jm_: I don't have that kind of setup. |
| 08:36.44 | Coke | jm_: I'm giving it one last chance, then I'm going back to 2.6.4 and test with that. |
| 08:36.53 | jm_ | Coke: well in that case just try running cron.daily while you're at the machine and tail the logs at the same time and observe what is going on (you can also make it print stuff to console) |
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| 08:37.12 | Coke | jm_: it doesn't hang when I run cron.daily. |
| 08:37.19 | Coke | jm_: I'll just have to wait and see. |
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| 08:37.33 | mlewis00 | thd: If you can connect at a higher rate with direct modem commands then that should tell you that there is a problem with the configuraton that Linux is using to set up the modem and not with the kernel, etc. |
| 08:37.36 | Coke | jm_: I'm thinking bad disk hardware, because that's the sort of luck I have. |
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| 08:37.45 | jm_ | Coke: then just run badblocks |
| 08:37.49 | Coke | jm_: hm? |
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| 08:37.57 | jasz | any windowmaker users here? |
| 08:38.16 | Coke | !tell jasz about ask |
| 08:38.20 | peterS | Coke: 'badblocks' is a program to try reading (and/or writing) all the blocks of a partition and report the ones that fail |
| 08:38.35 | Coke | peterS: well, writing is no good, I have stuff on it. |
| 08:38.43 | jm_ | Coke: or get disk testing tool from the manufacturer |
| 08:38.58 | peterS | Coke: well, badblocks can either do read/write testing, or just read testing. check the manpage. |
| 08:39.18 | cthulfuego | Coke: if it just hangs and doesn't spew out I/O errors, the disk is likely fine. |
| 08:39.35 | mlewis00 | thd: It is helpfull if you have another system with a second phone line near the computer that is experiencing the problem so that you can see both ends of the connection, too. |
| 08:39.41 | Coke | jm & peterS also, I seem to be experiencing an increase in disk usage. While I nearly never heard or got "disk delays" before, I get it a lot now. |
| 08:39.47 | Coke | cthulfuego: ok. |
| 08:40.05 | Coke | cthulfuego: will the kernel give me more messages if I enable the debug? |
| 08:40.17 | jm_ | Coke: bad sectors will cause it to slow down, because kernel usually disables DMA when the errors occur |
| 08:40.21 | jasz | ok... i am using dual display (xinerama)... and windowmaker only displays the name of the workspace either on the corners or on the middle (therefore one half on one display and the other on the other display) ... i want the name of the workspace to appear on a fixed position of the screen (maybe using percentages or pixel coordinates) |
| 08:40.28 | Coke | jm_: interresting. |
| 08:40.30 | thd | mlewis00: minicom will report a rate upon connection? What service do I connect using at what number? I have only one dialup line. |
| 08:40.35 | cthulfuego | Coke: Perhaps. it will sure whine about bad blocks if it can't read data though. |
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| 08:41.20 | cthulfuego | Coke: I tried an install on a bad disk once, kernel spammed the console to buggery for HOURS with read/write errors. |
| 08:42.02 | mlewis00 | thd: In minicom you are talking directly to the modem and will see the CONNECT message... |
| 08:42.03 | Coke | cthulfuego: might be a DMA problem. |
| 08:42.14 | Coke | jm_: anyhow, hdparm reveals that DMA is On |
| 08:42.15 | cthulfuego | Coke: That's possible, yes. |
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| 08:42.50 | jm_ | Coke: well yes, but that's because you didn't run into problems this time ;) |
| 08:43.13 | Coke | jm_: oh, I have the read delays now. |
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| 08:43.37 | mlewis00 | thd: As for where to connect to you might Google for 'bbs' OR "bulletin board service" to see if you can find one to connect to. |
| 08:43.49 | jm_ | Coke: do you see any errors in logs? |
| 08:44.13 | Coke | jm_: no. all is fine. and I have a bunch of disk stuff happening in the background on torrent downloads. |
| 08:44.26 | Coke | jm_: perhaps the combination of that and cron.daily. |
| 08:44.33 | jm_ | Coke: well that may be just the I/O scheduler then, try another one |
| 08:44.48 | Coke | another one? |
| 08:45.27 | jm_ | Coke: 2.6 has 3 to choose from |
| 08:45.43 | Coke | jm_: 3 what? IO schedulers? |
| 08:45.48 | jm_ | Coke: yes |
| 08:46.01 | Coke | jm_: oh. really. in what sectino? |
| 08:46.28 | jm_ | Coke: they're all enabled by default, unless you select embedded option and disable things - you can choose it during boot with kernel option |
| 08:46.47 | peterS | jm_: can't you also change it at runtime with 'elvtune'? |
| 08:47.00 | peterS | (from util-linux) |
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| 08:47.21 | peterS | hmmm, maybe you can't |
| 08:47.43 | Coke | jm_: hm. what should I google for? I get hundreds of irrelevant hits. |
| 08:47.43 | jm_ | peterS: hmm I think that's just to tune the behaviour, but not to switch it to a totally different elevator |
| 08:48.06 | peterS | jm_: that would seem to be a good place to put that configuration option, though - in the elvtune utility |
| 08:48.29 | mlewis00 | DexterK: You shouldn't IRC as root :#( |
| 08:49.09 | jm_ | peterS: but does kernel support switching it on the fly? |
| 08:49.29 | peterS | jm_: I thought it did at one time. I guess I don't actually know |
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| 08:50.25 | jm_ | Coke: elevator=foo |
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| 08:51.13 | Coke | jm_: I think that is unrelated to the kernel freeze. |
| 08:51.37 | Coke | I'll give this kernel one more go, but then I download good ol'e 2.6.4 and try that for a while. |
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| 08:52.13 | jm_ | Coke: yes, I was just telling you that you can choose another elevator, since I didn't like anticipatory one either (it's the default) |
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| 08:52.34 | Bogaurd | is there a python 2.2 package for debian woody? |
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| 08:53.21 | fatal__ | Bogaurd: good sources for unofficial packages are apt-get.org and backports.org |
| 08:53.45 | Bogaurd | fatal__: there should be an official one i think, i can use apt-get install, but it just doesnt work is all :\ |
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| 08:53.57 | Bogaurd | if you join #flood, i will show you the output |
| 08:54.08 | mattybats | is there anyway to remove a pkg with all it's dependencies? |
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| 08:54.21 | fatal__ | Bogaurd: the official woody packaged python is 2.1.3 |
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| 08:54.38 | jetscreamer | hey i'm trying to be efficient about my diskusage. is there any limit, as a user, that i *need* to leave free on a non / partition? i have it up to 41M free, and can fill that up. |
| 08:54.45 | jetscreamer | and want to. |
| 08:54.47 | Bogaurd | fatal__: oh, im reading the output properly now, im wrong :P |
| 08:54.52 | fatal__ | mattybats: apt-get remove <package> will remove <package> and all packages who depend on it. |
| 08:55.00 | Bogaurd | fatal__: i checked backports, but they didnt seem to have one |
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| 08:55.18 | mattybats | fatal__: how bout dpkg --remove? will that do the same? |
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| 08:55.31 | jetscreamer | yes apt-get is a front end to dpkg |
| 08:55.37 | mattybats | ah |
| 08:55.49 | jetscreamer | see also --purge |
| 08:55.49 | srid | i wish write some tutorials, articles, etc .. What is the suitable documentation system for this? XHTML? docbook? .. any other ? |
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| 08:56.15 | srid | test |
| 08:56.28 | Coke | To breakfast or not to breakfast... |
| 08:56.30 | jetscreamer | srid whatever works, docbook is good, check some out |
| 08:56.33 | ercin | anyone uses Asus p4p800-x mobo ? |
| 08:56.34 | jetscreamer | and it's !test |
| 08:56.52 | zophyx | <hax> the american system of having people in college not being able to legally drink is so flawed |
| 08:57.00 | jetscreamer | why |
| 08:57.05 | srid | jetscreamer: check what? |
| 08:57.14 | chealer | mattybats: check the APT Howto |
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| 08:57.15 | jetscreamer | tldp.org for one |
| 08:57.18 | jetscreamer | examples |
| 08:57.22 | fatal__ | mattybats: apt-get is the userfriendly way... dpkg does what it's told, nothing more nothing less. |
| 08:57.32 | srid | jetscreamer: does it use docbook? |
| 08:57.59 | jetscreamer | srid, i think it's html 4.01 trans but i dunno |
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| 08:58.09 | srid | *xhtml |
| 08:58.27 | srid | ok |
| 08:59.01 | jetscreamer | anybody have a lcue for me on the hd space thing before i just go ahead and fil it up? |
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| 08:59.07 | jetscreamer | s/lcue/clue/ |
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| 09:00.20 | tarzeau | where can i disable the pdf plugin (from acrobat) for mozilla and use xpdf for pdf documents? |
| 09:00.45 | tarzeau | i see the pdf handler in about:plugins. and i did change the handler in the prefs and mozilla babble stuff like it will use its own handler |
| 09:01.09 | tarzeau | that is where software tries to be smarter than me and makes my life worse! who wrote mozilla? do they still live? |
| 09:01.15 | mlewis00 | tarzeau: Remove the link to the plugin from the .mozilla plugin directory... |
| 09:01.43 | jm_ | tarzeau: remove the symlink/plugin file |
| 09:02.08 | blutkind | hmm |
| 09:02.37 | tarzeau | where is that link. i can't find it in my home. and no i'm only a user of this system |
| 09:02.49 | jm_ | it can also be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 09:02.50 | blutkind | is there a guide anywhere to properly setup apt with unstable branch? |
| 09:02.51 | tarzeau | i can't find one in $HOME/.mozilla |
| 09:03.19 | tarzeau | jm_: yes i know it's there. |
| 09:03.37 | Ra1stlin | Mardares |
| 09:03.46 | tarzeau | rm: cannot unlink `nppdf.so': Permission denied |
| 09:03.52 | jm_ | heh |
| 09:04.01 | tarzeau | damned shit software! |
| 09:04.06 | tarzeau | nobody tells me mozilla is good |
| 09:04.19 | jm_ | did you try changing the mime-type handler in preferences? |
| 09:04.24 | tarzeau | jm_: of course |
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| 09:04.53 | jm_ | tarzeau: maybe there's some extension for this |
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| 09:05.15 | tarzeau | jm_: the shit tells me this: mozilla can handle this type interanally. for such types, a helper application will only be invoked if the server requests external handling. |
| 09:05.19 | tarzeau | and no i can't change the server |
| 09:05.28 | tarzeau | jm_: maybe mozilla is just broken |
| 09:05.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: yeah, check if there are any extensions |
| 09:06.00 | tarzeau | mv nppdf.so nppdf.so.shitty |
| 09:06.23 | tarzeau | god help me i hope i don't need to restart it to take effect |
| 09:06.30 | tarzeau | DAMN mozilla |
| 09:06.52 | cat | yeap |
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| 09:07.03 | tarzeau | i need to restart it |
| 09:07.46 | tarzeau | it feels like windows |
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| 09:12.34 | Skiver | what do i do if i get this "Error: '/etc/mailcap' is not in required format -- not updated", when i apt-get upgrade program |
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| 09:12.46 | tzafrir | here mozilla keeps crashing |
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| 09:13.00 | tzafrir | (every couple of days) |
| 09:13.02 | mosty | tzafrir, have any extensions installed? |
| 09:13.07 | Yappi | hi all |
| 09:13.09 | tarzeau | tzafrir: what did you expect? same here |
| 09:13.23 | tzafrir | Plain Debian package |
| 09:13.25 | Yappi | how i install java in debian testing? |
| 09:13.26 | Yappi | help me guyz |
| 09:13.39 | tarzeau | tzafrir: stable? testing? sid? |
| 09:13.44 | tzafrir | testing |
| 09:13.47 | Yappi | how i install java in debian testing? |
| 09:13.54 | tzafrir | anyway, that is not my concern |
| 09:13.59 | tarzeau | Yappi: ask curtis.sasaki@sun.com |
| 09:14.12 | DerJamster | Yappi: Grab the JDK or JRE from the sun site. |
| 09:14.16 | DerJamster | Install. |
| 09:14.19 | DerJamster | Done :> |
| 09:14.26 | tarzeau | DerJamster: haha. LIE! |
| 09:14.35 | tzafrir | what about the blackdown package? |
| 09:14.40 | tarzeau | DerJamster: that won't work if you run linux on non-x86 |
| 09:14.48 | mosty | yappi: install java-package, and you can use that to turn a jdk/jre from sun into a .deb you can install |
| 09:14.49 | DerJamster | The blakcdown should work, too..I guess.. |
| 09:15.11 | tzafrir | Is it in non-free? |
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| 09:15.18 | Yappi | DerJamster: blackdown only unstable |
| 09:15.20 | Yappi | ? |
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| 09:16.39 | Yappi | I don't understand guys |
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| 09:16.47 | Yappi | apt-get install what??/ |
| 09:16.55 | Yappi | i am using debian testing |
| 09:16.57 | tzafrir | anyway, how do I build several binary packages from a -source (kernel) modules package for different kernel configs? |
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| 09:17.20 | mosty | yappi: download the jre or jdk from java.sun.com (get the .bin version, not the .rpm). then apt-get install java-package. then run make-jpkg thefileyoudownloaded.bin |
| 09:17.50 | Yappi | mosty: E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 09:18.02 | Yappi | when i type apt-get install java-package |
| 09:18.32 | DerJamster | apt-cache search -n java |
| 09:18.43 | vulture | Yappi: it's in sid, if you are using sarge just download and install it manually |
| 09:18.47 | mosty | yappi, ahh well that sucks then. just download the .bin and install it in /usr/local/java/ then |
| 09:18.49 | tarzeau | Yappi: you can't have java! |
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| 09:19.10 | tarzeau | Yappi: what says uname -a ? |
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| 09:21.27 | tzafrir | I have my own scripts for that (modules building) and they worked before, but now I get some messages about unresolved symbols when trying to install the packages on the target machine |
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| 09:22.55 | rend | whats the most cd-rs you guys have burned at a time? |
| 09:23.52 | jetscreamer | in a row or at a time |
| 09:24.31 | rend | either |
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| 09:24.53 | DerJamster | about 100. |
| 09:24.55 | zinx | does torching AOL cds count? |
| 09:25.00 | Yappi | mosty: i downloading j2re.bin |
| 09:25.04 | DerJamster | Not non-stop, but in a couple of days. |
| 09:25.14 | spo0nman | 350 in one session... 50(sid) for a linuxconf and some dumbass lost the whole bunch. |
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| 09:26.13 | spo0nman | he left the whole pile in a cab. we had to burn on the spot for people.... big screwup. |
| 09:27.05 | spo0nman | i wonder what the cabbie did with 50 copies of sid... |
| 09:27.44 | rend | 350 in one session.. damn how did you get that many out? |
| 09:28.13 | rend | using one burner? :) |
| 09:28.50 | spo0nman | 3 machines 3 cdr's. wrote a bash script. all i was doing was putting a cd when any drive ejected :D |
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| 09:29.24 | rend | did you do any verification? |
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| 09:29.42 | rend | oh, and how did you label them? |
| 09:29.50 | spo0nman | rend: no. no varification. |
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| 09:30.58 | rend | did you write on them, put a printed lable on the disks or just blank? |
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| 09:31.24 | spo0nman | rend: wrote with a permanent marker. |
| 09:31.42 | rend | hehe |
| 09:31.46 | ideal | Hi all. Can I get package name from a text file when I run 'apt-get install' ? |
| 09:31.48 | spo0nman | but only sid-1 sid-2 like that. |
| 09:31.50 | rend | better than nothing :) |
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| 09:32.12 | spo0nman | yeah! but as i said, some moron lost all of them :( |
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| 09:32.28 | spo0nman | then we had to write atleast 20 sets again. |
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| 09:33.31 | spo0nman | but there is a debian dvd now right? |
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| 09:34.20 | rend | yep, debian dvd is out I think.. |
| 09:34.39 | spo0nman | sweet. :) /me eyes a dvd writer... |
| 09:34.46 | rend | I have one |
| 09:35.00 | rend | but i never get the full 8x out of it...dunno why |
| 09:35.25 | spo0nman | 8x must be a real pain.... |
| 09:35.26 | rend | someone needs to make a lego cd changer :) |
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| 09:35.30 | rend | 8x dvd |
| 09:35.31 | vchrizz_ | hi |
| 09:35.34 | spo0nman | lol... |
| 09:35.39 | rend | 40x cd |
| 09:35.42 | vchrizz_ | uhm, ive got screen running at home, and its attached - here im at work and connected via ssh at home and want to use screen... how do i get in? |
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| 09:36.02 | spo0nman | vchrizz_: detach attach. rtfm |
| 09:36.17 | rend | whats a regular minute time for a dvd 120? |
| 09:36.35 | jermy | vchrizz_: Or use "screen -x" to share the screen (ie. Other end stays connected) |
| 09:36.44 | rend | trying to figure out how long it would take to write a dvd at 8x |
| 09:37.09 | spo0nman | looong... |
| 09:37.35 | rend | spo0nman: do you know of a dvd burner that doesn't take long? |
| 09:37.37 | reaux | grr everytime i try to install sarge on my laptop, it pauses at 11% of the Debian Base System Install and says error cant find next file |
| 09:37.44 | jermy | Google says "1x DVD speed = 1350 KB/sec" |
| 09:37.49 | spo0nman | rend: i guess tehy are not out yet. |
| 09:37.51 | rend | I think 8x maybe like 15 minutes |
| 09:38.16 | jm_ | rend: no, 8x is half that (4x is roughly 15min) |
| 09:38.20 | reaux | Is that a common problem |
| 09:38.26 | rend | ok |
| 09:38.37 | spo0nman | 15 mins for the whole dvd? |
| 09:38.42 | rend | 7.5 mins isn't bad... |
| 09:38.54 | rend | jm_: any idea why I'm not having my full performance of it very often? |
| 09:39.06 | jm_ | rend: what do you mean? |
| 09:39.10 | spo0nman | thats pretty fast... i thought it'd take like half an hour or something |
| 09:39.23 | rend | like when I'm suppose to be able to burn at 8x.. sometimes it wont burn at the full speed.. |
| 09:39.29 | rend | this is a 2.5ghz amd box.. |
| 09:39.36 | rend | 512mb ram... |
| 09:39.41 | spo0nman | rend: it depends on the blank too... |
| 09:39.49 | rend | hard drives are super fast on dedicated channels |
| 09:39.51 | jm_ | rend: well the blank/burner combinatyion might not support 8x speed |
| 09:40.04 | rend | I kind think it was the media.. |
| 09:40.13 | rend | because my simulated burns can go much much faster than 8x |
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| 09:40.22 | jm_ | rend: dvd+rw-mediainfo gives you some hints about it |
| 09:40.28 | rend | thx.. |
| 09:40.58 | rend | I kinda wish there was a cheaper route to automate printing and duplication of large numbers of cds/dvds |
| 09:41.23 | jm_ | it's pretty odd in general, I noticed my burner happily burned at 8x (or was it 12x) with 4x media, but only with -R type, +R type goes up to 8x only |
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| 09:41.51 | PitchforkLinux | Lost Power during an apt-get dist-uprade about 70 % of the files downloaded if I restart the dist uprage will it pick up where it left off? |
| 09:41.59 | rend | I never seen anything very good using lego mindstorm for say duplicating cds.. |
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| 09:42.15 | jm_ | PitchforkLinux: yes |
| 09:42.17 | Shadur | PitchforkLinux: yes. |
| 09:42.31 | PitchforkLinux | cool thanks |
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| 09:43.02 | cat | pitch? |
| 09:43.35 | simonrvn | pitchfork. used to move hay around |
| 09:44.00 | simonrvn | not so much anymore, but some people still use them |
| 09:44.37 | rend | if you had to make like 100 cds per day, would you consider paying $1250 for a machine that can duplicate and print 50 at a time? |
| 09:45.08 | draven__ | rend: I would consider outsourcing. |
| 09:45.30 | simonrvn | if you're doing that, of course. but those things dup from one image - like the older vinyl records |
| 09:45.33 | rend | the want too much per cd.. |
| 09:45.50 | simonrvn | you couldn't burn 50 different ones... unless they make some |
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| 09:47.08 | rend | with this machine I could batch jobs... |
| 09:47.14 | rend | kinda like you do with a regular printer.. |
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| 09:47.58 | rend | once it is finished with the first 50, unload them and load up the next 50 blanks. |
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| 09:53.15 | mrfg | i have winxp and linux, and boot loader was grub, and i reinstalled winxp , now grub doesn't work, any more, i guess mbr must be edited, can reinstall grub without installing linux again. |
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| 09:54.16 | tirkal | hi. I had the following script on my previous server (RH9) and it worked fine: |
| 09:54.17 | tirkal | #!/bin/sh |
| 09:54.17 | tirkal | exec /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/python2.4/pdb.py $@ |
| 09:54.31 | simonrvn | mrfg: yes |
| 09:55.01 | tirkal | now, when I try it on my new Debian server, it prints "bash: /usr/bin/pdb: Permission denied" |
| 09:55.01 | mrfg | simonrwn : how? |
| 09:55.25 | tirkal | (even when I run it as root) |
| 09:55.33 | tirkal | anyone knows what's the problem here? |
| 09:55.48 | DerJamster | ls -l /usr/bin/pdb |
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| 09:55.59 | tirkal | -rw-r--r-- 1 adam adam 60 2005-01-24 13:47 /usr/bin/pdb |
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| 09:56.25 | Skiver | =X |
| 09:56.33 | tirkal | is it a problem that there's no x permission? but I am root... |
| 09:56.42 | cat | tirkal: huh |
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| 09:57.08 | gilles | I'm net-installing debian on a Toshiba Satellite M20, the first step with the cd worked okay, but now after restarting to keep on the net-install, it stops with those last two lines : "ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040326" and "ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger." |
| 09:57.11 | mrfg | cmod 700 /usr.bin./pbd |
| 09:57.11 | mrfg | chmod |
| 09:57.11 | mrfg | chmod 700 /usr/bin/pdb |
| 09:57.22 | tirkal | mrfg: thanks |
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| 09:57.51 | DerJamster | make that 755 or move it to sbin...why is a file in /usr/bin not root owned, anyways? |
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| 09:58.45 | mlewis00 | Probably should be reported as a bug to the package maintainer shouldn't it? |
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| 09:59.02 | tirkal | DerJamster: I just created it and moved it there myself. And I want other users to access it, so I'll keep it in bin |
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| 09:59.15 | DerJamster | 700 won't help with that 'other user access' thing.. |
| 09:59.15 | mlewis00 | Oh, never mind... |
| 09:59.16 | mrfg | tirkal? |
| 09:59.22 | mrfg | then 755 |
| 09:59.34 | DerJamster | yeah, 755 and chown it to root:root |
| 09:59.43 | tirkal | mrfg, DerJamster: yeah, I will. thanks :) |
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| 10:01.12 | Guerin | cat: as opposed to debian.org/doc |
| 10:01.13 | Guerin | ? |
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| 10:02.18 | superlinux | today i booted my system and i cant login as a normal user , however, i can as root. kdm tells me that ur system is still booting up, but it has already booted w.r.t me. i boot as level 5 usually. now i am using level 3. |
| 10:02.39 | Guerin | superlinux: why did you change the default init levels? |
| 10:03.02 | superlinux | cos on level 5 i could not login as a user |
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| 10:03.04 | directhex|work | tirkal, if you create something not owned by dpkg, then /usr/local is where it belongs |
| 10:03.14 | Guerin | superlinux: then you're not using debian. |
| 10:03.24 | Guerin | superlinux: so I suggest you seek help elsewhere. |
| 10:03.24 | superlinux | yes i am |
| 10:03.26 | tirkal | directhex|work: ok, thanks for the tip |
| 10:03.32 | superlinux | but that is not the issue |
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| 10:03.56 | Guerin | superlinux: you're not, because debian 1) doesn't distinguish between runlevels 2-5 and 2) boots into 2 by default. |
| 10:04.02 | Guerin | superlinux: no, that IS the issue. |
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| 10:04.22 | tirkal | directhex|work: I'm just a developer trying to setup a development server... I didn't even know a script has to be +x for even the root to execute it. |
| 10:04.38 | superlinux | i am using knoppix |
| 10:04.46 | Guerin | !nondeb knoppix |
| 10:04.48 | dpkg | Go to channel #knoppix for help with knoppix. If knoppix were Debian, it would be called Debian and not knoppix. |
| 10:04.48 | Shadur | superlinux: Try #knoppix |
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| 10:05.22 | Guerin | init is one of the ways in which knoppix differs most from plain debian. |
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| 10:05.41 | superlinux | k |
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| 10:06.05 | superlinux | i am asking in general cos it might happen anywhere else |
| 10:06.12 | gilles | How to use the "nolapic" at the boot ? |
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| 10:07.08 | mlewis00 | tirkal: The only thing that does NOT need +x to execute in Linux is a '.desktop' file IIRC...and that is probably a security flaw. |
| 10:07.49 | Guerin | files which are not +x can be executed by calling their interpreter to execute them, too. |
| 10:07.56 | tirkal | mlewis00: yeah, I just thought root can execute whatever he wants... which kind of makes sense IMHO |
| 10:07.59 | Guerin | so a file needn't have +x to be runnable |
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| 10:08.08 | mlewis00 | tirkal: That is why Linux is somewhat immune to viruses, worms, etc. |
| 10:08.22 | tyia | how do I tell what packages depend on a given package? |
| 10:08.30 | Guerin | tyia: apt-cache rdepends |
| 10:08.41 | Guerin | tyia: or apt-cache depends |
| 10:08.50 | tyia | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:08.51 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Hmmm, I didn't consider the interpreted language case :) |
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| 10:09.20 | tyia | Guerin: what about installed packages? |
| 10:09.21 | tirkal | mlewis00: you mean that even if I'm root and downloaded a virus, I have to explicitly make it executable before I run it |
| 10:09.25 | mlewis00 | tirkal: He can but has to explicitly set the +x bit... |
| 10:09.31 | jm_ | tya;apt-get -s remove foo |
| 10:09.34 | Guerin | no, rdepends doesn't seem to be working |
| 10:09.56 | jm_ | tyia: or dpkg-awk, grep-dctrl, ... |
| 10:09.56 | tirkal | mlewis00: yeah, that's how I understood it. thanks :) |
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| 10:10.11 | mlewis00 | tirkal: Right, unless, like Guerin said, its an interpreted language script. |
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| 10:10.49 | tirkal | mlewis00: but even than you'll have to do somehting like "perl virus.pl", won't you? |
| 10:10.49 | Shadur | mlewis00: In which case you'd still have to explicitly call the interpreter to run it. |
| 10:11.01 | Knight_Lord | I think i have a kernel oops message on my console. What other logs should it be also written in? |
| 10:11.04 | Guerin | tirkal: perl perlvirus.pl |
| 10:11.12 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: syslog |
| 10:11.19 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:11.35 | Guerin | tirkal: for some reason I didn't see the first perl |
| 10:11.36 | Shadur | Knight_Lord: syslog, assuming that the oops wasn't about the filesystem or disk write subsystems. :) |
| 10:11.49 | tirkal | Guerin: :) |
| 10:11.53 | jm_ | or if it hasn't occured in interrupt handler |
| 10:12.07 | Knight_Lord | Guerin Jan 23 20:22:32 hirst kernel: nfsd: page allocation failure. order:5, mode:0xd0 doesn't look good does it? |
| 10:12.23 | superlinux | btw did u know that knoppix was talked abt on the arabic version of Radio monte carlo? |
| 10:12.26 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: nope, sure doesn't. |
| 10:12.35 | Guerin | superlinux: hey, that's funky. |
| 10:12.49 | mlewis00 | Guerin: But I personally would consider that a security risk, too...I like the idea of the extra step needed for any foreign script / binary. |
| 10:13.11 | superlinux | really they did |
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| 10:13.26 | Guerin | mlewis00: yeah, but there's only so much you can do, right... |
| 10:13.33 | tirkal | mlewis00: that's a problem, since an interpreter basically treats a script as a text file too be read |
| 10:13.42 | Guerin | mlewis00: I didn't know .desktop files didn't need +x |
| 10:13.42 | calin | mornign |
| 10:13.46 | Guerin | that's stupid |
| 10:13.54 | Knight_Lord | 13 page allocation errors only yesterday :-/ |
| 10:13.57 | mlewis00 | Some day Linux will start getting as much attention from virus writers as Windows gets now and it would be nice to have all of those holes sewed up. |
| 10:13.58 | Guerin | calin: evenign |
| 10:14.04 | calin | hehe |
| 10:14.16 | calin | How are y'all? |
| 10:14.17 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: check your ram |
| 10:14.38 | Guerin | I and I irie |
| 10:14.45 | Knight_Lord | Guerin do you have any idea if this leads to data loss? |
| 10:14.49 | tirkal | mlewis00: you mean something like requiring all interpreter-builders to check if a script file is +x before they run it? |
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| 10:15.08 | mlewis00 | tirkal: Right... |
| 10:15.10 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: hard to tell. |
| 10:15.18 | tirkal | mlewis00: how would that be enforced? |
| 10:15.30 | Guerin | mlewis00: that's not good, though. |
| 10:15.44 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Why not? |
| 10:15.56 | Guerin | mlewis00: sometimes an executable interpreter needs to execute a script on a noexec partition |
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| 10:16.19 | Knight_Lord | Guerin apparently this is Ok and known http://marc.free.net.ph/message/20050119.235955.8db2da16.en.html |
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| 10:16.24 | superlinux | how can i if i changed the resolution.. keep the fonts in aspect? |
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| 10:16.36 | Guerin | superlinux: ask #knoppix |
| 10:16.44 | superlinux | ok |
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| 10:16.52 | superlinux | y does it differ? |
| 10:16.53 | Shadur | superlinux: Did you or did you not hear us when we told you that knoppix isn't debian and you should be asking this in #knoppix a while ago? |
| 10:16.57 | Guerin | (which I believe can be done with perl /mnt/noexec/virus.pl) |
| 10:17.04 | Guerin | !notdebian |
| 10:17.04 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. Knoppix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 10:17.04 | Shadur | superlinux: We told you that, as well. |
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| 10:17.35 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: nasty. I use nfs-user-server :) |
| 10:17.42 | superlinux | i am asking a thing it's an X issue... |
| 10:17.49 | Shadur | Guerin: $5 says we'll have another inane question from him in about ten minutes, followed by another inquiry as to why he can't ask knoppix questions in debian |
| 10:17.51 | Guerin | superlinux: we know. |
| 10:17.56 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Oh, Hmmm...well, all I am saying is that there should be a way to patch that type of potential security breach before someone figures out how to exploit it enmasse. |
| 10:18.03 | Guerin | Shadur: I'm not taking that bet. |
| 10:18.16 | Shadur | superlinux: We know. Better than you do, self-evidently. And we're telling you to go to #knoppix for a *reason*. |
| 10:18.16 | Guerin | Shadur: maybe 1 minute :) |
| 10:18.32 | Knight_Lord | Guerin i think this is XFS related |
| 10:18.39 | Knight_Lord | Guerin i also get errors in rsync |
| 10:18.53 | mahmoud | hi...I've installed sarge on a VIA KM400 mobo...video is in VESA and sound doesn't work. is it safe to attempt updating the drivers? because i don't want to change the system configuration manually in fear that i could break something |
| 10:18.55 | Shadur | Knight_Lord: Is the partition /var/log resides on an xfs partition? |
| 10:18.58 | Knight_Lord | Guerin apparently this stuff happens under heavy load |
| 10:19.00 | Guerin | mlewis00: well, the best defence against exploitation is a good off^W^W^W prevention. |
| 10:19.05 | Knight_Lord | Shadur nope |
| 10:19.22 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: so does it cause data loss? or just slowdowns? or...? |
| 10:19.22 | mlewis00 | Guerin: :-) |
| 10:19.24 | Shadur | Knight_Lord: Then the oops should have gotten itself logged. |
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| 10:19.37 | Knight_Lord | Shadur and they got logged |
| 10:19.39 | directhex|work | mahmoud, which version of debian? |
| 10:19.49 | Shadur | directhex|work: He already said sarge. |
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| 10:20.11 | Knight_Lord | Guerin that's what i'm trying to know. I didn't notice anything. For now i think it just causes temporary degradation of performance |
| 10:20.13 | Shadur | km400... Isn't that an nforce board? Or am I getting a few things confused? |
| 10:20.19 | superlinux | look i tried ur version of sarge... i adored it.. |
| 10:20.27 | mahmoud | directhex|work, sarge |
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| 10:20.45 | Zrin | vmware with bridged networking - why the host can't ping guest? (while ping to host returns) |
| 10:20.49 | directhex|work | Shadur, very confised |
| 10:21.01 | trueno | Hi! Is there a way to boot from a USB device? |
| 10:21.01 | directhex|work | Shadur, k***** are via chipsets |
| 10:21.14 | superlinux | i wanna install it but there is an OS already installed |
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| 10:21.25 | Shadur | superlinux: Look, we're fairly immune to praise, especially praise that doesn't have anything to do with the problem at hand you're describing, doubly especially when it's not our problem to begin with |
| 10:21.27 | Guerin | Ur didn't have sarge. they hadn't yet invented computers, much less free software. |
| 10:21.28 | directhex|work | Shadur, km400 is an oldish socket a w/ onboard graphics |
| 10:21.28 | jm_ | trueno: ask your motherboard manufacturer or read its manual |
| 10:21.34 | Shadur | trueno: yes, assuming your motherboard groks that |
| 10:21.39 | Shadur | directhex|work: Ah, gotcha. |
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| 10:21.44 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I'm just trying to look at it from the point of view of Linux becoming popular enough to challenge Windows on the desktop and how it would stand up to the same level of abuse / attention from virus writers...I'd like to see Linux be known as an impregnable OS :-) |
| 10:21.55 | Guerin | superlinux: there is a cure for your current plight... /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:22.02 | PenjejakNeraka | Erm...is TLDP down? |
| 10:22.06 | trueno | jm_ Shadur: So only if the BIOS/Motherboard supports it, right? |
| 10:22.08 | PenjejakNeraka | http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 10:22.15 | jm_ | trueno: yes |
| 10:22.20 | ricky_clarkson | mlewis00: The main security leak in any computer system is the user. |
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| 10:22.59 | Knight_Lord | Guerin maybe the fact that i run without swap and 512MB of mem makes this messages more common |
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| 10:23.14 | maja | any one know if libc6 2.3.2 causes problems with sshd or qmail-smtpd ? |
| 10:23.15 | Shadur | trueno: Yep |
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| 10:24.24 | Shadur | maja: What libc6 package version does the openssh package depend on? |
| 10:24.33 | Guerin | mlewis00: yeah, I see what you're saying. I think the fundamentals of *n?x software security are sound - privilege separation, no +x by default, etc. That said, the weakest link is always the user... |
| 10:24.37 | Shadur | And which version of debian are you using? |
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| 10:24.49 | Guerin | maja: it doesn't. |
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| 10:24.53 | mlewis00 | Guerin: True, but its things like executable .desktop files and such that make it no more secure than Windows, hence there is less to base a real advantage upon from a security standpoint (i.e. everybody already knows that the user is the weakest link...we need to make it so that he cannot damage anything by his stupidity if he is not root). |
| 10:24.59 | Guerin | maja: if it did, it wouldn't be used. |
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| 10:25.22 | maja | Shadur: how i find out ? |
| 10:25.26 | Guerin | mlewis00: damn, you type fast |
| 10:25.51 | mlewis00 | Guerin: That was a response to your previous message :) |
| 10:26.05 | maja | Guerin: true though i have the problem what i cant track down, sshd wont fork |
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| 10:26.45 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: I shouldn't imagine so. I run mine on a box with 128 ram and 200 swap, and it never touches swap for anything other than cache |
| 10:27.26 | maja | and qmail is not able to read its controls |
| 10:27.46 | Shadur | maja: Which version of debian? |
| 10:27.52 | Guerin | maja: what flavour of debian, and are you using the debian ssh package? |
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| 10:28.18 | Knight_Lord | Guerin that's why i thought 512 should be fine |
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| 10:28.48 | Guerin | qmail is a moving target, since it's built from source, you may have to rebuild now and again if your libs change |
| 10:28.51 | mithro | is there a way to find out what is accessing my harddrive every 5 seconds |
| 10:29.01 | maja | Shadur: sarge Guerin yes |
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| 10:29.20 | Guerin | mithro: probably syslog or something like. |
| 10:29.33 | Knight_Lord | Guerin but anyway i've determined that it's not really a fatal error but just a warning, and if the programs behind are prepared to deal with a failled malloc there shouldn't be any problem |
| 10:29.38 | maja | Guerin: qmail was just rebuilt |
| 10:29.39 | Guerin | maja: when/how long ago did you build and installqmail? |
| 10:29.44 | Guerin | ok |
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| 10:29.56 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Anyway, I just think that Linux needs to be developed in such a way that if a user is not root, then he is not allowed to execute scripts or files imported from the web...that way if some type of 'virus' were to start spreading the Microsoft FUD developers could not say much because the Linux community could respond by saying that the user is at fault because he needed to explicitly do something deliberate to allow the virus to function on h |
| 10:29.56 | mlewis00 | is machine. |
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| 10:30.29 | maja | Guerin: not sure on the bulid date but was installed friday |
| 10:30.35 | Guerin | mlewis00: well, people have to be able to execute arbitrary code of their choice... if they know how. |
| 10:30.47 | Guerin | maja: built on this box? |
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| 10:31.01 | Wo|f | Hi. I just did an install of testing. When I install .deb's I get a warning from perl saying that the default locale failed. I've installed testing before, and not had this happen. Could someone please direct me to a fix? Thanks! |
| 10:31.07 | Guerin | mlewis00: otherwise you're into Trusted [sic] computing |
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| 10:31.13 | maja | Guerin: no |
| 10:31.14 | bob2 | Wo|f: it's safe to ignore |
| 10:31.15 | Shadur | mlewis00: I think that that would be close to the worst possible thing linux *could* do. |
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| 10:31.27 | HmJ | how to get route from specific table using ip route? |
| 10:31.29 | [trueno] | jm_ : Could it be possible to "upgrade" it by only flashing the BIOS with an updated version or does it really need specific HW on the motherboard? (I am using an Acer 525TE, year 2001 I guess) |
| 10:31.34 | directhex|work | Wo|f, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:31.46 | HmJ | i mean like ip route get 172.16.0.1 but i need to specify table |
| 10:31.46 | Guerin | maja: what versions of libc etc. was it built against? |
| 10:31.53 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Certainly, but on Linux it should be required (as is usual) to take an extra step to allow the program to execute |
| 10:31.55 | jm_ | [trueno]: I have no idea, 2001 hardware should be able too boot from USB |
| 10:32.05 | jm_ | to even |
| 10:32.06 | Wo|f | directhex|work: Thanks! |
| 10:32.19 | Guerin | mlewis00: in almost all cases, that's how it is. These .desktop files are the only exception I know of. |
| 10:32.20 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Otherwise, how would Linux be different than Windows? |
| 10:32.32 | maja | Guerin: sec |
| 10:32.33 | [trueno] | jm_ : thanks :-) |
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| 10:33.08 | Guerin | mlewis00: hrm, actually... it seems you lie |
| 10:33.17 | slin | foobar |
| 10:33.18 | slin | helpme.. |
| 10:33.33 | directhex|work | !tell mlewis00 about nondeb Windows |
| 10:33.43 | maja | Guerin: i think so, chap is in meeting now |
| 10:33.44 | directhex|work | that's why! |
| 10:33.52 | slin | i'm fighting with a fuckin' qms magicolor2 desklaser color laserprinter |
| 10:33.53 | jvw | mlewis00: mount all user writeable partitions with 'noexec'... |
| 10:33.56 | Guerin | mlewis00: $ /var/lib/menu-xdg/applications/menu-xdg/X-Debian-XShells-terminal.desktop \n bash: Permission denied |
| 10:34.02 | Wo|f | One more question. I read that the book "Linux Cookbook, 2nd Ed." is out. Have any of you read it? Would you recommend it? |
| 10:34.04 | slin | last provided driver is for win98 only, gdiprinter |
| 10:34.27 | mlewis00 | directhex: What was that? :( |
| 10:34.47 | jvw | mlewis00: although, it doesn't really help. You're going to allow people to use shell, right? |
| 10:34.51 | calin | hahahahah |
| 10:34.57 | slin | if i can install a 'virtual printer' to an '98 box, and i say "u got materials in postscript, convert it to pdf and print to [foobar] ' it should be good... |
| 10:34.57 | calin | jesus |
| 10:35.00 | slin | any idea? |
| 10:35.05 | Guerin | mlewis00: they DO need +x to be run ... perhaps when you doubleclick them in a gui environment, their interpreter is called to do it |
| 10:35.12 | calin | /msg dpkg penis |
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| 10:35.26 | jvw | mlewis00: if people can type commands in their shell, they can execute shell scripts, if only by pasting shell code right in their terminal |
| 10:36.02 | mlewis00 | Guerin: That is what I'm talking about...you can drag them from an email client to the desktop and double-click them, I believe. |
| 10:36.07 | Guerin | maja: ok, as I said, qmail is a moving target. It's worrisome that openssh doesn't work |
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| 10:36.51 | Guerin | mlewis00: ok, so it's just that the desktop environment is calling /bin/sh to run them... |
| 10:37.11 | mlewis00 | jvng: True, but all that I am saying is that Linux should maintain the stance that IF a virus has spread THEN the user is at fault 100% for deliberately running it. |
| 10:37.14 | herodes | hi.... |
| 10:37.21 | AdamZa | Anyone here got experience initiating the debian installer from a ramdisk loaded linux kernel? |
| 10:37.24 | Guerin | mlewis00: well, it would be |
| 10:37.30 | Guerin | mlewis00: who else would be to blame? |
| 10:38.00 | Guerin | AdamZa: if you have a shell and network, you can use debootstrap |
| 10:38.32 | AdamZa | Guerin: I've been looking at that, however I have not been able to successfully get it installed, since it's packaged in rpm's or deb's, as far as I can see. |
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| 10:38.44 | AdamZa | Neither of which I have readily availible. |
| 10:39.04 | Guerin | AdamZa: you can download source for it if need be. |
| 10:39.15 | mlewis00 | Guerin: The administrator's (or Linux's) fault if some kid can drag an icon from an email client to his / her desktop and execute it without performing a second deliberate action to enable its execution. |
| 10:39.23 | Guerin | AdamZa: so you have nothing but a kernel and a shell? Nothing else? |
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| 10:39.35 | AdamZa | Guerin: A few basic utilities (tar, mount, etc) |
| 10:39.38 | Guerin | mlewis00: why? he or she ran it... |
| 10:39.44 | AdamZa | Guerin: But not much else. |
| 10:39.56 | jm_ | AdamZa: debs can be unpacked using ar |
| 10:40.03 | maja | Guerin: can you repet my connection just hiccuped |
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| 10:40.34 | AdamZa | jm_: Thanks, that appears to be installed. I'll give it a quick shot. |
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| 10:41.42 | Guerin | maja: I just said not to worry about qmail and concentrate on openssh |
| 10:41.48 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I understand your point of view, I'm just saying that I believe in most cases there should be an extra step required that demonstrates a certain level of competance to perform the action...drag and drop is able to be done by a child but changing the +x bit or something takes a little more understanding / skill. |
| 10:41.52 | Guerin | maja: try purging and reinstalling? |
| 10:42.04 | maja | Guerin: done |
| 10:42.13 | maja | no joy still same problem |
| 10:42.36 | maja | ssh will run in -D mode or -d.. but not normaly |
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| 10:42.42 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Otherwis Linux is as bad as Windows because that is how many Windows viruses spread..i.e. .exe files in email. |
| 10:42.52 | Guerin | mlewis00: right. so how to the guis know to execute these .desktop files? filename? |
| 10:42.52 | AdamZa | mlewis00: I've missed the first half of this, but I think you are missing one crucial point. |
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| 10:43.14 | AdamZa | mlewis00: Under linux, it is much harder to infect system files, thanks to a security system that doesnt run-as-root by default. |
| 10:43.30 | AdamZa | Permissions make setting up a permenent virus that little bit harder. |
| 10:43.33 | Patrick_ | AdamZa, but cant u get em from other users? |
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| 10:43.39 | Guerin | AdamZa: true. Still trivial to hose a user's own files, though. |
| 10:43.40 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Well, they should be set up to require the +x bit... |
| 10:43.44 | AdamZa | Guerin: Of course. |
| 10:43.45 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 10:43.48 | Guerin | though that's nothing like the same magnitude? |
| 10:43.53 | Guerin | s/?// |
| 10:44.24 | Guerin | mlewis00: I agree. |
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| 10:45.03 | Guerin | at least if a user hoses their ~ by this method, all the other users can point and laugh |
| 10:45.11 | mlewis00 | AdamZa: True, but for FUD purposes, a virus that wipes out all of a user's personal information or transmits it to someone else is just as bad as a virus that destroys the system (or worse if the system is left intact to be further exploited). |
| 10:45.19 | Guerin | whereas in windows, the whole box would have to be taken offline |
| 10:45.40 | mlewis00 | Guerin: True... |
| 10:45.49 | Guerin | man, it seems I've had to lecture so many people about security in here lately |
| 10:45.58 | blackmariah | "Hello! Please download and run this as root to install a pretty fishtank screensaver in either Gnome or KDE!" |
| 10:46.17 | Guerin | people wanting to run mail and ftp services unencrypted over the internet, using unix u/p credentials |
| 10:46.18 | blackmariah | Contents of file: #!/bin/bash rm -rf / |
| 10:46.22 | AdamZa | I dont believe there is any patch for users themselves. |
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| 10:46.39 | Guerin | blackmariah: output: 10,00 lines of "permission denied" |
| 10:46.40 | AdamZa | Although, I have had some success with a 14" steel pole. |
| 10:46.46 | Guerin | s/00/000/ |
| 10:46.49 | mosty | adamza: you can upgrade users |
| 10:46.57 | blackmariah | Guerin: You missed the "Please run this as root" bit. |
| 10:47.02 | Guerin | hahaha |
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| 10:47.25 | Guerin | blackmariah: right you are, sorry. |
| 10:47.27 | blackmariah | People will do it for pretty fishtanks. They're like crack, man. |
| 10:47.38 | Guerin | social engineering; the most powerful kind. |
| 10:47.42 | blackmariah | exactly |
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| 10:48.19 | Guerin | this is why people shouldn't have root on their own computers |
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| 10:48.59 | Upayavir1 | can anyone tell me which package equivs-build is in? |
| 10:49.00 | herodes | having a network as fallows: cablemodem-->pc1(router 2 netcard , P1 133Mhz)<--->pc(800 Mhz), could the speed conexion be more slow?? |
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| 10:49.08 | Guerin | perhaps that's the way the "linux business model" needs to go - sell root on peoples' own boxen. |
| 10:49.12 | mosty | Upayavir1, use the search engine on the debian website |
| 10:49.18 | streuner__ | Upayavir1: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:49.31 | Guerin | herodes: shouldn't be slow unless you're encrypting |
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| 10:50.02 | Upayavir1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.31 | streuner | !tell Upayavir1 about search |
| 10:50.34 | herodes | Guerin, encryting??. What you are speaking about? |
| 10:50.35 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I think you might have something there...protect the people from themselves :-) |
| 10:50.38 | blackmariah | Guerin: Try slipping that patch by the kernel team. ;) |
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| 10:51.02 | Guerin | mlewis00: it'd be a huge social engineering hack to get people to pay for it... |
| 10:51.03 | blackmariah | "This patch totally eliminates any possibility of a box being rooted by eliminating the root user altogether." |
| 10:51.11 | Guerin | blackmariah: heh. |
| 10:51.17 | toresbe | blackmariah: heh |
| 10:51.32 | Upayavir1 | streuner: I've always done it via packages.debian.org, but search there is down at the mo. |
| 10:51.52 | blutkind | Hey guys, i'm so used to gentoo i had to get away from it... Now i need some help with this bastard, i've updated apt-get upgrade etc. for unstable, now i'm trying to figure out the kernel procedure probably should google it first |
| 10:51.57 | toresbe | if(uid == 0) then printf("DMCA violation\nPlease do not attempt to run bash as root."); |
| 10:51.57 | mlewis00 | Guerin: True but probably not impossible :) |
| 10:52.09 | Guerin | blackmariah: just don't tell them there's a root user, set the rootpass to a 128-character srting of random shite, and tell them what number to call/email if they want to do something "secure" |
| 10:52.14 | mosty | blutkind, google debian kernel-package |
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| 10:52.24 | Guerin | actually, I think that if trusted computing takes off, people would buy that |
| 10:52.38 | streuner | Upayavir1: read the factoid, there are many possibilities in debian to search for |
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| 10:52.40 | blutkind | mosty, thanks, will do |
| 10:52.44 | Guerin | maja: there's not really much I can tell you to do. |
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| 10:53.05 | maja | Guerin: where would you start debuging ? |
| 10:53.11 | herodes | Guerin, i just use NAT (MASquerdaing) and forwarding. |
| 10:53.15 | Guerin | maja: check the BTS, try another install on a different machine. my ssh on sarge works fine, so I just don't know, |
| 10:53.18 | streuner | Is pdo down, why didn't change the topic yet? |
| 10:53.25 | streuner | someone* |
| 10:53.33 | maja | Guerin: BTS ? |
| 10:53.41 | Guerin | maja: bugs.debian.org/ssh |
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| 10:53.58 | Guerin | maja: maybe strace/gdb output would be a useful bug |
| 10:54.07 | Guerin | report |
| 10:54.30 | maja | Guerin: thanks will give that a go |
| 10:54.33 | Guerin | herodes: encryption is if you're using ssh, scp, secure ftp or http over ssl on that network |
| 10:54.40 | Guerin | herodes: you probably aren't |
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| 10:55.10 | streuner | Upayavir1: well, it works here (packages.debian.org)... |
| 10:55.20 | mlewis00 | maja: Or apt-get install querybts then querybts <package_name>... |
| 10:55.36 | Bogaurd | how can i send a message to the console of all logged in users? |
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| 10:55.45 | glick | excuse me i installed jre how to i get firefox to support java? |
| 10:55.57 | glick | what lib file do i have tom\ move where |
| 10:55.59 | Guerin | glick: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 10:58.06 | herodes | Guerin, only use ssh in local net pc1-pc2 and ,,,,when i log in from out to my pc. In my case....speed should be as ussually yes? |
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| 10:59.59 | mlewis00 | Bogaurd: shutdown -k |
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| 11:05.09 | PenjejakNeraka | Erm, since when there is a package for OpenOffice.org? |
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| 11:05.27 | PenjejakNeraka | http://packages.debian.org/openoffice.org |
| 11:05.39 | calin | hehe |
| 11:05.41 | calin | yep |
| 11:05.44 | calin | nice, yes? |
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| 11:08.57 | grozniy | Hi , can anybody tell me how to make 'sonypi' module load automatically ? |
| 11:09.15 | jm_ | grozniy: man modules |
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| 11:09.20 | SlayerXP | grozniy: man modules |
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| 11:10.29 | grozniy | jm_: thanks !!! |
| 11:10.38 | grozniy | SlayerXP: thanks |
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| 11:11.14 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, mornin |
| 11:11.19 | SlayerXP | heya jamie |
| 11:11.37 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, how's things? I'm going on a 2 day trip to scotland tomorrow |
| 11:12.17 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: so-so. still not sold the house, don't want ot live in london, bored at home. |
| 11:12.25 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, which would be fine if I didn't have to "look at company laptops" when I got there |
| 11:12.47 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, my sister is having trouble selling her house ( near you ) as well |
| 11:13.11 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, if you don't live in London where are you gonna live? |
| 11:13.20 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, Devon?? :) |
| 11:13.24 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: didn't I say? we're off to norway. |
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| 11:13.49 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, with that web company? |
| 11:13.51 | Bogaurd | can someone give me a crash course on managing logged in users? i'd like to know how i can kill peoples sessions, see what commands they are typing (in real time), see their console (if possible) and see what ip's they ahve SSH'd in from. |
| 11:14.02 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, you didn't say |
| 11:14.02 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: np, not with yahoo |
| 11:14.04 | mosty | SlayerXP, vil du reise med fly? :) |
| 11:14.21 | calin | jesus i'm stupid |
| 11:14.44 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: pics of the house here: http://photos.hinterlands.org/c371227.html |
| 11:14.45 | soundscout | hello together. is there a chance to get some german-speaking debian-help`? |
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| 11:14.54 | SlayerXP | mosty: my norwegian sucks :) |
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| 11:15.17 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, I think... |
| 11:15.18 | mosty | slayerxp: so does mine, hence why i jump on every chance to say one of the few phrases i know ;) |
| 11:15.19 | Quinn_Storm | !german |
| 11:15.19 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 11:15.40 | calin | and I can't remember my address |
| 11:15.49 | soundscout | thank you very much. |
| 11:15.54 | calin | but i can remember my IP # |
| 11:16.00 | Quinn_Storm | no problem, glad I remembered |
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| 11:16.26 | calin | hmm |
| 11:16.28 | calin | !french |
| 11:16.28 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:16.29 | c-moi | hi everyone |
| 11:16.45 | c-moi | ok ok... |
| 11:17.20 | c-moi | just wanted to now which package provides the ttf2.h and libttf2.so ... |
| 11:17.47 | possie | hi, how can i see which version of glibc i have installed? |
| 11:17.52 | joey_ | c-moi, see packages.debian.org search |
| 11:17.59 | c-moi | ok thx |
| 11:18.16 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, last search option on the main page |
| 11:18.36 | jm_ | possie: run /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 11:19.31 | possie | jm_: looks like i don't have that file |
| 11:19.34 | helloyo | i'm trying to connect to my network printer (dell 1700n), which allows TCP connections, but when i attempt one it asks for a password (which it shouldn't) |
| 11:19.43 | c-moi | arg |
| 11:19.47 | possie | jm_: ow, duh! |
| 11:19.53 | possie | jm_: sorry me bad :-) |
| 11:20.10 | c-moi | can't find these files... too bad.. wanted to install planeshif :) |
| 11:20.17 | c-moi | thanks anyway :) |
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| 11:21.01 | Quinn_Storm | helloyo, have you googled for the dell 1700n ? there may be information out there, if you have, msg me, and I will try to help, this is #debian though so its kinda out of the scope for this channel |
| 11:21.23 | possie | jm_: i am getting a permission denied though, cause /lib/libc-2.3.2.so isn't set to executable, can i just set the execute bit on that file without anyproblem? |
| 11:21.23 | jm_ | possie: then just ask dpkg: dpkg -s libc6 |
| 11:21.28 | possie | k |
| 11:21.34 | c-moi | bye bye... |
| 11:21.39 | thd | mlewis00: Many more historical BBS numbers than working ones found by google. Minicom only reported connected at 9600 baud using either of 2 external modems. I do not know that faster connections were possible to these BBS's without a paid subscription. |
| 11:21.40 | mithro | how does on create a keymap? |
| 11:21.43 | jm_ | but the filename revealed it anyway :) |
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| 11:22.33 | mithro | this laptop keyboard doesnt match any known one |
| 11:22.40 | possie | jm_: why i'm asking is, cause some binary package requires me to have GLIBC_2.0, and i have 2.3.2 can i just install 2.0 as well ? |
| 11:22.55 | jm_ | possie: no, it should be backwards compatible |
| 11:23.05 | mlewis00 | thd: Maybe you could try an MSN or AOL access number...I think they should at least allow you to connect and give you a chance to log in. |
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| 11:23.34 | mlewis00 | thd: That will give you the connect message at 33.6 or whatever... |
| 11:23.48 | possie | jm_: okee |
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| 11:26.50 | spo0nman | does Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04) work with sarge? any clues |
| 11:26.57 | Bogaurd | why is it that on my debian woody box, nmap can only make 250 parallel sockets? |
| 11:27.16 | possie | jm_: i'm missing libdb.so.3 i have libdb3 and libdb3-dev installed how ever, can i link /usr/lib/libdb3.so to /usr/lib/libdb.so.3 ? |
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| 11:28.20 | jm_ | possie: no, install the package that provides this file |
| 11:29.02 | Rawplayer | is it possible to make a putty template? |
| 11:29.20 | bbrazil | Rawplayer: as in.... |
| 11:29.35 | possie | jm_: thanks |
| 11:29.39 | possie | jm_: it works now |
| 11:29.52 | Rawplayer | bbrazil: that it gets stored to my harddrive |
| 11:30.46 | thd | mlewis00: My own provider Earthlink should have such a messsage. I always regarded connection messsages from the other machine as not necessarily true reporting. I generally obtain an alleged 38400 under other OSs. I will try minicom again for ISP connection. |
| 11:31.24 | Bogaurd | does anyone know how to enable numpad input in VIM? |
| 11:31.30 | bbrazil | Rawplayer: saved sessions on the first page, stored in the registry IIRC |
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| 11:33.15 | mlewis00 | thd: If you study the modem's manual you can configure it so that it will give you correct CONNECT messages...also, I think ATZ should reset it to a state that will give you accurate CONNECT messages. |
| 11:33.41 | tarzeau | bob2: i was just kidding :( |
| 11:33.45 | tarzeau | simonrvn: are you ok? |
| 11:34.06 | simonrvn | tarzeau: i know you were kdding. has nothing to do with you |
| 11:34.20 | tarzeau | ah ok then |
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| 11:35.24 | thd | mlewis00: Doesn't the connect message come from the modem at the other end?. |
| 11:35.36 | mlewis00 | thd: The 38400 might actually be the speed that the modem is connecting to your computer at over the communications port if you don't explicitly set the option via a direct command. |
| 11:36.38 | mlewis00 | thd: Not necessarily, it depends on how the modem has been set up or initialized. |
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| 11:37.30 | neeko | sorry |
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| 11:39.04 | mlewis00 | thd: Most OS's / communications programs send an 'init' string to the modem to initialize it...that is why it is best to learn the commands and initialize it yourself when you have to troubleshoot it. |
| 11:39.42 | Quinn_Storm | hey, not sure what channel to ask in, its sorta a general linux question, anyone know a better option than esd for networked sound? (from linux to win, currently using a cygwin build of esd to do it but I don't need the enormous buffer setting (and thus latency) it has as the network is actually only virtual, all within one machine) |
| 11:39.55 | mlewis00 | thd: Once you get into minicom and start issuing commands those commands override the commands that minicom used to initialize the modem with. |
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| 11:45.15 | thd | mlewis00: Under an MSDOS port of pppd I have expected 2.X K/s speed. On MSDOS the connection is reported at 38400 baud. The same modem init string in linux gives only circa 900K/s. |
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| 11:46.56 | thd | mlewis00: Oops 2.X KB/s and 900 KB/s. |
| 11:47.10 | thd | mlewis00: Oops 2.X KB/s and 900 B/s. |
| 11:47.13 | valdyn | thd: you mean 9600 bit / second? |
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| 11:48.36 | thd | mlewis00: 900 B/s reported is approximately 9600 b/s |
| 11:48.40 | valdyn | thd: oh well 900 byte could actually fit to 9600 baud, which is probably default |
| 11:49.07 | mlewis00 | thd: Hmmm, what does the actual CONNECT message say under Linux? |
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| 11:51.29 | mlewis00 | thd: I think you probably have a configuration file somewhere that is setting a default connection rate for that port but I haven't worked with setting up communicatons ports under Linux too much so I would have to look at the modem HOWTO myself to find out :) |
| 11:51.30 | thd | mlewis00: I tried to log the connection process with tee before and failed. What is the right logging option? |
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| 11:52.48 | sap | C:\Documents and Settings\speckover>sqlplus m_lincs/m_lincs@simon.9i |
| 11:52.48 | sap | SQL*Plus: Release 9.2.0.4.0 - Production on Mon Jan 24 11:47:02 2005 |
| 11:52.48 | sap | Copyright (c) 1982, 2002, Oracle Corporation. All rights reserved. |
| 11:52.48 | sap | Error accessing PRODUCT_USER_PROFILE |
| 11:52.48 | sap | Warning: Product user profile information not loaded! |
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| 11:53.08 | mlewis00 | thd: I don't know, I've never used tee for that. |
| 11:53.15 | thd | mlewis00: Is there a record in some log by default? |
| 11:53.19 | valdyn | thd: you can try setserial -G /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 11:53.31 | pif | hi, I have a locking problem on nfs-mounted mailboxes since I dist-upgraded the debian/sid nfs server, any idea where to look? |
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| 11:54.33 | J_P | I boot / fs as ext2 in ro, then i try create one dir and show message read-only file system, this is ok right! But i do after mount -no remount, rw / and try create dir... creste dir is sucessful.. then i do after mount -no remount, ro / and try again create another dir. And cresate dir is sucessful again.. why ? |
| 11:55.01 | mlewis00 | thd: Right, setserial will allow you to set the baud rate, etc. |
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| 11:55.35 | valdyn | thd: afaik its not required or useless w/ kernel 2.6.x but still you could at least see what your port speed is.. |
| 11:55.37 | simonrvn | "remount,ro" not "remount, ro" i think that space or lack thereof matters |
| 11:55.46 | PitchforkLinux | hi all... getting ready to install new kernal and apt-get install advises me to put inited=/initrd.image line in LILO.conf is this line literal or do I put the actual kernel image name in place of the /initrd.img |
| 11:56.06 | Nurbs | J_P: if you don't have a space there... it might not remount it ro successfully if some file has been opened (and I think some fs don't support remounting read-only) |
| 11:56.10 | simonrvn | or i'm missing something in my delirium |
| 11:57.11 | J_P | Nurbs: i am using ext2... |
| 11:57.55 | thd | mlewis00: setserial -G /dev/ttyS0 returns /dev/ttyS0: Device or resource busy. I have used stty before to set the reported 38400 to 115200 but of course I never had the 38400 reported. |
| 11:58.46 | mlewis00 | thd: Is minicom running? You might have to exit it if it is as it runs as root I believe. |
| 11:59.13 | valdyn | somehow i doubt that stty works for ttySx, but no idea |
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| 11:59.56 | thd | mlewis00: I quit minicom before restarting ppd. |
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| 12:00.23 | mlewis00 | thd: ppd probably has control over the port then... |
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| 12:00.41 | PenjejakNeraka | Hmmm, does Debian only supports ALSA on kernel 2.4.16 & 2.4.27 only? |
| 12:01.01 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka: define "support" |
| 12:01.34 | thd | mlewis00: I was able to set a useless change with stty while pppd was running. |
| 12:01.50 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka: if you are defining support as: "provide precompiled modules" then you're right i guess |
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| 12:03.13 | mlewis00 | thd: Well, I'm not sure but you might try stopping the pppd... |
| 12:03.49 | thd | mlewis00: and do what afterwords? |
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| 12:04.56 | valdyn | thd: setserial -G /dev/ttyS0.. setserial can do/see things that the generic stty cant |
| 12:05.04 | mlewis00 | thd: Then you can run setserial -G to see if the operating system has set the port up at some low baud rate like 9600...my modem port (internal 33.6) is set up at 115K. |
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| 12:06.13 | thd | mlewis00: OK logging out of #debian |
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| 12:06.28 | mlewis00 | thd: ??? |
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| 12:07.21 | valdyn | online via pppd.. |
| 12:07.29 | mlewis00 | Hmmm, I thought he was on a different machine... |
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| 12:09.21 | Davidcc6 | how can i run another programs when i start sesion whit xfce, like gaim or gkrellm |
| 12:09.32 | simonrvn | @xsession |
| 12:09.34 | ravenbird | ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\n. $HOME/.bash_profile\n. $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 12:09.40 | simonrvn | add it to that file |
| 12:10.07 | simonrvn | "exec your_program" before the "exec xfce4-session" |
| 12:10.18 | pro | anyone know if there is an update for drupal, im on 4.3 and want to go to 4.5.x and i would prefer to dpkg/apt install it, cause the debian one places files differently to the one from druapl.org |
| 12:10.35 | valdyn | xfce ought to have its own session management? |
| 12:10.40 | Shadur | pro: What flavor of debian? |
| 12:10.41 | simonrvn | pro: sid has 4.5.2 |
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| 12:11.08 | pro | im on sid, but my mirror is a little old |
| 12:11.39 | pro | speaking of which, its there a tool to sync the debian/pool of a mirror? |
| 12:11.48 | Davidcc6 | simonrvn, that was for me? |
| 12:11.56 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 12:12.12 | Davidcc6 | simonrvn, i dont have that file in /home/user |
| 12:12.15 | Shadur | pro: so apt-get update before running upgrade |
| 12:12.18 | Davidcc6 | simonrvn, just xsesion-erros |
| 12:12.21 | simonrvn | Davidcc6: then you create it |
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| 12:12.36 | simonrvn | like above ^^^ |
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| 12:12.49 | Random832 | does vesafb just not work with 2.6.9? |
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| 12:12.56 | Nurbs | it does |
| 12:13.00 | valdyn | simonrvn: now if he saves his session in xfce, will it ignore gaim? |
| 12:13.10 | Zrin | trying to setup fresh domain (debian, samba, xp) - xp clients can see and browse the server, but can't recognize it as PDC? any hint? |
| 12:13.21 | simonrvn | no, i start uxterm before xfce4-session. works fine |
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| 12:13.46 | jak_ | Hi, I interrupted an package upgrade (started by aptitude), now aptitude says that it could not lock the cache file. Any ideas how to correct this? |
| 12:13.57 | thd_ | mlewis00: #setserial -G /dev/ttyS0 returns /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550A port 0x03f8 irq 4 baud_base 115200 spd_normal skip_test |
| 12:14.08 | Davidcc6 | simonrvn, thx so much |
| 12:14.53 | valdyn | simonrvn: yea, thats what i meant with igore, or else xfce-session would save your uxterm and next time you'd start uxterm 2 times |
| 12:15.22 | simonrvn | oh yeh, but then he can remove it if he only uses xfce4-session |
| 12:15.23 | Knight_Lord | jak_ most likely by deleting some file in /var/lock |
| 12:15.31 | valdyn | ya |
| 12:15.35 | simonrvn | (or comment it out) |
| 12:15.37 | jak_ | right, thanks |
| 12:15.40 | pro | Shadur, i'll just wget the new one and dpkg -i it, so thanks |
| 12:15.48 | mlewis00 | thd_: That would indicate that the OS has set the communications port at its maximum baud rate. |
| 12:16.21 | mlewis00 | thd_: Are you on #debian via the box you are having trouble with? |
| 12:16.29 | thd_ | mlewis00: yes |
| 12:17.09 | valdyn | thd_: btw, do you not have your manual with AT commands? theres ways to specify max connection speeds/ how to try handshake etc... |
| 12:17.20 | mlewis00 | thd_: Hmmm, that would explain why you dissappeared :) Makes it kind of difficult to troubleshoot, too. |
| 12:17.48 | pro | you can solve any xfce problem, or any other WM/Desktop, with apt-get install enlightenment |
| 12:17.59 | thd_ | mlewis00: I may have set the 115200 from the 38400 reported by stty using stty. Minicom had 38400 as the default. |
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| 12:18.14 | vchrizz_ | hiho |
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| 12:19.37 | thd_ | mlewis00: much of my equipment is second hand lacking proper manuals but much cheaper than new and works fine under other OSs. |
| 12:19.53 | mlewis00 | thd_: Hmmm, but if setserial -G reports the baud rate at 115K then that is what the communications port is set up as. |
| 12:19.57 | mlewis00 | thd_: Have you tried to find a file somewhere that is a known size and download it while you time it? |
| 12:20.03 | jak_ | i think I'm making progress. apt-get install -f said that dpkg was interrupted and that I should run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem, which I am now doing |
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| 12:20.25 | jcoiron | hello :) |
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| 12:22.25 | thd_ | mlewis00: I have been reporting 900 B/s from dselect downloading updated package lists from various debian mirrors. That is much too slow. |
| 12:22.31 | mlewis00 | thd_: You might find the manual for your modem on the manufacturer's web site or Google for standard modem (Hayes compatible) commands. |
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| 12:23.29 | valdyn | thd_: you know you can just dial into your isp from minicom for testing purposes right? |
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| 12:25.19 | mlewis00 | thd_: Right, you should be able to dial your ISP, hit enter a couple of times if you don't get a prompt, and it should prompt you for your username / password. |
| 12:26.01 | thd_ | valdyn: I had done that previously but not been as aware as now about this problem. What would I see in minicom that we don't already know? |
| 12:26.14 | ricky_clarkson | mlewis00: Then type 'test', press return, twice, and pray ;) |
| 12:26.24 | valdyn | thd_: you see precisely which protocol is used once connected |
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| 12:27.03 | valdyn | thd_: like 9600 or V42bis or whatever |
| 12:27.22 | mlewis00 | thd_: You would see the CONNECT string and you might be able to find out from your ISP if they provide some sort of test or file download for that specific purpose. |
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| 12:27.48 | thd_ | valdyn: mlewis00: disconnecting for testing. |
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| 12:27.54 | valdyn | thd_: you could also switch on sound of your modem and listen if theres handshaking problems, but thats probably to much for someone who didnt use modems much |
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| 12:28.25 | mlewis00 | thd_: I might be here when you get back... |
| 12:28.36 | mlewis00 | thd_: I have to go to bed soon :) |
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| 12:29.30 | valdyn | oh god modem time is long ago: ATL3 = full sound ) |
| 12:29.38 | thd_ | valdyn: I used to be expert at identifying good connection sounds as opposed to ones that would be problematic. |
| 12:29.48 | thd_ | valdyn: mlewis00: now disconnecting for testing. |
| 12:29.53 | mlewis00 | thd_: :) |
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| 12:31.26 | mlewis00 | valdyn: You can also hear when the modem renegotiates the connection speed when you're not looking :-) |
| 12:31.58 | valdyn | mlewis00: yea i used to do that |
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| 12:32.28 | mlewis00 | valdyn: I used to leave my speaker on all of the time on ATL2 or 1... |
| 12:32.52 | valdyn | valdyn: damn, you ears must have suffered |
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| 12:33.02 | humbolt | after dist-upgrading sarge, openoffice has multible problems reading older files, telling me they are corrupted and stuff. |
| 12:33.52 | Karhuton | humbolt: Corrupted with the old ways! We must put those behind us and embrace the modern times. |
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| 12:34.04 | valdyn | humbolt: hmm that sounds like an openoffice problem/incompatibility. Maybe though you an specify in oo by which version those documents were created |
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| 12:34.25 | fester | how do i comand line zip a directory using gzip? |
| 12:34.41 | Karhuton | fester, man gzip? |
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| 12:35.29 | valdyn | humbolt: my oo has seperate support for its own ( 1.1 ) files and oo 1.0 |
| 12:35.32 | pro | does anyone know what package php-cli comes from (on sid) ? |
| 12:35.46 | PenjejakNeraka | Hmmm, does Debian only supports ALSA on kernel 2.4.16 & 2.4.27 only? |
| 12:35.51 | fusion | pro: probably php4 |
| 12:35.57 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka: didnt i tell you already? |
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| 12:36.05 | Quinn_Storm | gzip only supports zipping one file as far as I know so you want to use tar + gzip |
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| 12:36.06 | fusion | pro: look on packages.debian.org |
| 12:36.13 | piper | Hi, I'm suffering from this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg66995.html with Ubuntu (already tried #ubuntu) ... is there any fix or am I effectively locked out of debian-based distros? |
| 12:36.14 | PenjejakNeraka | valdyn; it seems i didn't get it |
| 12:36.26 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka: if you define "support" as provide precompiled modules then yes |
| 12:36.31 | mlewis00 | valdyn: Not really...my computer's fans almost cover the sound of the modem on ATL1 :) |
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| 12:36.52 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka: but debian does provide alsa-source to compile for whichever 2.4.x or 2.6.x kernel |
| 12:37.15 | valdyn | hehe |
| 12:37.15 | PenjejakNeraka | valdyn; thanks for the info |
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| 12:38.28 | PenjejakNeraka | ok, currently i am using kernel 2.6.10-1-686 |
| 12:38.41 | PenjejakNeraka | so, i need to download the alsa-source eh? |
| 12:39.00 | alice_ | hey, any help with getting my usb hub with mouse and keyboard to work ? I m pretty stuck. right now no mouse is working. I tried usb and ps2 on /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux. the keyboard at the usb-hub isnt running also. |
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| 12:39.40 | valdyn | PenjejakNeraka: and the headers for your kernel if its a debian kernel-image |
| 12:39.55 | valdyn | !kp |
| 12:39.55 | dpkg | methinks kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 12:40.11 | valdyn | nm |
| 12:40.15 | valdyn | !m-a |
| 12:40.15 | dpkg | hmm... m-a is your daddy. use it, especially for nvidia kernel module creation |
| 12:40.27 | valdyn | !module-assistant |
| 12:40.27 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additinal (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them |
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| 12:40.40 | valdyn | and probably modules-assistant |
| 12:40.49 | valdyn | and probably module-assistant |
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| 12:48.12 | mlewis00 | piper: Did you look up the bug on Debian's web site? It may have already been resolved. |
| 12:48.13 | PenjejakNeraka | valdyn; alsa works now :) thanks so much |
| 12:48.20 | Araldit | Im having a little problem with samba.. Anyone know what to do if I want to create a shared folder on my Debian box, to share with a windoze xp, without the windoze user having to enter a password. |
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| 12:48.42 | alice_ | Araldit: let the user store his pass :) |
| 12:48.51 | mlewis00 | piper: I would just download the 3-4 floppy images for Sarge / testing and try to install over the network. |
| 12:49.02 | dafresh_ | Araldit: create the same username / pass on your 2 computer |
| 12:49.13 | mlewis00 | piper: Or burn a netinstall CD if you want... |
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| 12:50.20 | Araldit | alice_: Yeah I can do that, but then I cant have all on the network to have a look in the folder without giving them the pass.. |
| 12:50.36 | piper | mlewis00: yeah, but I'm trying to install Ubuntu. Just wondering if there were any ways to circumvent it. |
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| 12:50.45 | jcoiron | Araldit: well, if u manage to have it work with Kerberos authentification I'm interrested in, I still don't understand exactly how it work :) |
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| 12:51.58 | mlewis00 | piper: You probably won't find much ubuntu help on #debian as the load for supporting Debian is too great for the channel to try to support every derivative. |
| 12:52.13 | Araldit | jcoiron: I don't know what Kerberos authentification is, but I can create accounts and have people access what ever I want.. Cant just figure out how to create a guest account |
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| 12:52.36 | mlewis00 | piper: But if you try to install Sarge / testing and it succeeds you will at least know that it is a bug in the ubuntu installer. |
| 12:52.36 | PenjejakNeraka | How can i play sound simultanenously using ALSA? |
| 12:52.52 | ricky_clarkson | piper: We're already doing our best not to support Debian. To try not to support other distributions would make #debian trolling /very/ tedious. |
| 12:52.57 | piper | mlewis00: Alright, thanks anyway. I'll give Debian a shot once I get the ISOs. |
| 12:53.09 | Araldit | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:53.16 | mlewis00 | piper: And, who knows, you might decide to use Debian instead :-) |
| 12:53.33 | mlewis00 | piper: You don't need the ISOs |
| 12:53.36 | simonrvn | PenjejakNeraka: /msg dpkg dmix |
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| 12:54.01 | ricky_clarkson | Sith Ifrican? |
| 12:54.07 | mlewis00 | piper: For a test install all you need is 3-4 floppies or a 30-100MB netinstall CD image. |
| 12:54.20 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
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| 12:54.25 | pro | i wont use it cause I use debian, and its a waste using UBuntu when you can use debian |
| 12:54.26 | takatumi | alice_: tried disabling legacy usb support in the bios? |
| 12:54.36 | PenjejakNeraka | simonrvn; there is no package namely dmix in debian packages, rite? |
| 12:54.36 | directhex|work | PenjejakNeraka, save http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf to /etc, ought to work. assuming your apps are set to use the alsa 0.9+ api, not alsa 0.5 or oss |
| 12:54.39 | piper | mlewis00: Ah, well. May have to look into it then ;) |
| 12:54.41 | ttols | hi everyone |
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| 12:55.06 | ricky_clarkson | !not support is <reply>We're already doing our best not to support Debian. To try not to support other distributions too would make #debian trolling /very/ tedious. |
| 12:55.06 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 12:55.12 | mlewis00 | piper: There is a 30MB credit card image and a 100MB CD image... |
| 12:55.16 | simonrvn | PenjejakNeraka: dmix is internal to alsa. it has to b configured for |
| 12:55.21 | simonrvn | PenjejakNeraka: s/b/be/ |
| 12:55.40 | piper | mlewis00: What's the difference? |
| 12:55.44 | mlewis00 | piper: But I find it less wastefull to just download 3 floppy images if you have a floppy drive. |
| 12:55.51 | PenjejakNeraka | simonrvn; ohhh, thanks. how can i configure dmix? |
| 12:55.55 | alice_ | takatumi: no, not yet, gonna look for that |
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| 12:55.59 | jcoiron | Araldit: The dafresh_ 's answer might be the most accurate, creating a user "administrator" with the same pass than the windows account (If you only use this account and doesn't have an account/pw per user) and share with samba the directory u wish tio share should work |
| 12:56.20 | simonrvn | PenjejakNeraka: /msg the bot like i told you. says where to get info |
| 12:56.21 | directhex|work | <directhex|work> PenjejakNeraka, save http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf to /etc, ought to work. |
| 12:56.43 | PenjejakNeraka | directhex|work; thanks |
| 12:56.47 | PenjejakNeraka | simonrvn; i will :) |
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| 12:57.09 | piper | mlewis00: I have a floppy drive but no floppies. I don't mind collecting distros on CD. |
| 12:57.43 | mlewis00 | piper: I don't know all of the differences but I would imagine that the 100MB image would have support for more hardware / modules, etc. and may save you some download time during install. |
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| 12:58.23 | piper | mlewis00: Any with support for Reiser4? |
| 12:58.52 | valdyn | nah that bigger image just has saves you some downloading when installing |
| 12:59.05 | PenjejakNeraka | anyway, is asound conf similar to alsa-source.conf |
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| 12:59.16 | PenjejakNeraka | i couldn't find file namely asound.conf |
| 12:59.20 | alice_ | takatumi: disabling legacy doidnt make any changes also |
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| 12:59.29 | mlewis00 | piper: Reiser4 is a bad word here :) The suggested file system is ext3 because of stability and recoverability. |
| 12:59.35 | valdyn | piper: no reiser4, its not even in mainline |
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| 12:59.49 | randey | which package provides gtk-config. apt-cache is not showing anything |
| 12:59.59 | Pumpkin_Pie | lol |
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| 13:00.03 | SlayerXP | randey: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:00.07 | Pumpkin_Pie | SlayerXP |
| 13:00.07 | takatumi | alice_: tough luck :) |
| 13:00.07 | pro | stability on ext3? riiiiiiiight |
| 13:00.08 | mlewis00 | Or I should have said reiserfs is a bad word here... |
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| 13:00.10 | PenjejakNeraka | or, shpould i copy it to /etc/? |
| 13:00.17 | piper | mlewis00: I suspected as much, actually ;) |
| 13:00.26 | pro | i have used ext3 twice, and both times i lots everything |
| 13:00.39 | Araldit | jcoiron: thx. might do the trick.. I will give a try.. Then create a administrator account with no pass |
| 13:00.40 | SlayerXP | pro: sucks to be you |
| 13:00.40 | glick | excuse me i just bought a domain name |
| 13:00.43 | glick | and... |
| 13:00.47 | SlayerXP | glick: okay, you're excused. |
| 13:00.50 | mlewis00 | piper: I've had a number of power problems with ext3 and never lost a file! |
| 13:00.55 | takatumi | alice_: btw, try mdetect -v for the mouse |
| 13:01.15 | valdyn | theres no power problems in europe -> reiserfs = eurofilsystem |
| 13:01.22 | glick | i would like to be able to have computers on that domain so i could access them like bigsnake.prissy.com |
| 13:01.31 | pro | SlayerXP, maybe, but now i have raid1 and reiserfs and no problems since then |
| 13:01.36 | glick | where prissy.com is my domain |
| 13:01.47 | SlayerXP | glick: okay, you have our permission to do so. |
| 13:01.51 | valdyn | well, at least where i live |
| 13:01.52 | alice_ | dmesg says usbt hub found , 4 ports detected lsusb list 4 devices with strange chipsets |
| 13:01.53 | directhex|work | PenjejakNeraka, the file needs to be created. |
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| 13:02.10 | glick | do i need a domain name server or something to do that? |
| 13:02.12 | glick | how is that set up? |
| 13:02.18 | pro | glick, install and configure bind9 |
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| 13:02.29 | SlayerXP | glick: yes, and you start by reading the DNS howto, followed by the BIND docs. |
| 13:02.37 | pro | and then read the DNS/Bind book by O'Rilley press |
| 13:02.37 | mlewis00 | piper: You might need to find out what your SCSI chip set is and manually pick the driver for it during install if that is the part of the bug you were saying you were affected by. |
| 13:02.40 | glick | my dns is handled by zoneedit |
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| 13:03.14 | Araldit | jcoiron: But then i still have to create the user administrator on the linux box, but thats just the way it is then. |
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| 13:03.27 | glick | doesnt zoneedit handle all that since i have a dynamic ip |
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| 13:03.46 | heiyou | 88 |
| 13:03.51 | pro | glick, are all the machines on internet or on your lan? |
| 13:03.54 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - The back of my CD-ROM drive is not connected to the soundcard/mobo (only power and IDE cable) and i can;t play audio CDs. Any idea how can I do this without having to buy the little cable? |
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| 13:04.00 | glick | pro, on my lan |
| 13:04.08 | xerophyte | does anybody know any other linux solutions like this :>http://elementcomputer.com/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=53&Itemid=65 |
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| 13:04.10 | alice_ | mdetecrt finds inteligent mouse on /dev/psaux and found the following devices: /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1 and /dev/psaux |
| 13:04.27 | pro | glick, then it wont work, you'll need to setup your own dns server |
| 13:04.30 | directhex|work | xerophyte, You are not authorized to view this resource. |
| 13:04.50 | piper | mlewis00: I'm still looking into the Debian installer, if I can just use fdisk it should be fine. |
| 13:05.00 | azreal | Sirius_Black: turn them into mp3's or ogg's |
| 13:05.02 | takatumi | alice_: so you have your hub and the mouse, what's wrong? |
| 13:05.23 | pro | or I guess you could use zoneedit and put 192.168.x ip's in the A Address part |
| 13:05.23 | mlewis00 | Sirius_Black: You probably can't as the cable is shielded... |
| 13:05.23 | Sirius_Black | azreal: hahahaha thx |
| 13:05.23 | PenjejakNeraka | directhex|work; i had copied it. now what should i do? reconfigure alsa? |
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| 13:05.40 | directhex|work | PenjejakNeraka, tell your applications to use alsa. |
| 13:05.45 | alice_ | takatumi: cat on any of those devices returns nothing |
| 13:05.45 | azreal | Sirius_Black: seriously, thats what i would do, if i couldnt get a cable |
| 13:05.51 | Sirius_Black | shouldnt it work if something like libcdaudio or something is installed |
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| 13:06.08 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: look into cdda2wav, you can use that to create wav files from your CD ... or just play back tracks |
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| 13:06.33 | Sirius_Black | azreal: the thing is i cant even hear DVD movies |
| 13:06.34 | mlewis00 | piper: I was referring to the part of the bug that you posted that said there was some problem with the SCSI sub-system...if you are not having that problem then you may be fine. |
| 13:06.36 | PenjejakNeraka | directhex|work; orite, thanks :) |
| 13:06.44 | paxed | anyone know what "connect-debounce failed" means when i plug in a usb device (a scanner)? and how to fix it? google is not helpful. |
| 13:07.00 | directhex|work | PenjejakNeraka, the easiest one is to echo "default_driver=alsa09" > /etc/libao.conf |
| 13:07.14 | directhex|work | PenjejakNeraka, then try running two instances of mpg321 at once |
| 13:07.15 | azreal | Sirius_Black: so buy a cable when the computer store opens in your neighborhood. |
| 13:07.23 | valdyn | Sirius_Black: dvd movies sound has nothing to do with that cable at all |
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| 13:07.28 | coachz | hi |
| 13:07.33 | mlewis00 | piper: I would just use the debian-installer to do all of the partitioning / formatting instead of using fdisk on your own. |
| 13:07.41 | Sirius_Black | valdyn: that is what i was afraid you would say :-( |
| 13:07.45 | coachz | Anyone bored and want to make a .deb package for Postgres 8 ? |
| 13:07.50 | pro | Sirius_Black, have you got any old PC cases there? |
| 13:08.01 | Sirius_Black | pro - yeah loads |
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| 13:08.17 | Sirius_Black | the thing is the dan thing works OK with SUSE9.2 |
| 13:08.25 | Sirius_Black | but I wanna use debian only on that machine |
| 13:08.31 | Sirius_Black | *damn |
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| 13:09.02 | xmb_ | is there a way to disable saK secure keyboard mode? it fucked up X |
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| 13:09.08 | pro | Sirius_Black, then open them up an take the connectors for the reset/power and cut them, join them and plug them in |
| 13:09.42 | pro | unless you have the 'little white' connector on your soundcard |
| 13:09.46 | piper | mlewis00: I'd actually be more comfortable in fdisk, to be honest. |
| 13:09.47 | xerophyte | directhex|work, ???/ you mean you can not see that |
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| 13:10.47 | mlewis00 | piper: I can understand that but sometimes the debian-installer has problems with disks that are configured outside of the program... |
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| 13:11.19 | Araldit | jcoiron: It worked, perfect.. Thx. |
| 13:11.51 | piper | mlewis00: Ah, OK. Is there a minimal CD you recommend? |
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| 13:12.54 | mlewis00 | piper: It's reasonably simple to understand if you pay attention to the file system types (on the right of the partitioner's screen I believe) instead of trying to decipher the long names for them. |
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| 13:13.33 | me | hey guys, i just copied a couple of files to another location, but I can't do any operation on any of them, guess the mode bits got screwed up somehow, is there someway to repair that? |
| 13:13.34 | mlewis00 | piper: The 100MB netinstall would be the most likely to succeed on the widest variety of systems, I believe. |
| 13:14.32 | piper | mlewis00: The only 100+MB ISO I can find is dated 2002, am I looking in the wrong place? |
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| 13:14.57 | mlewis00 | piper: Yes, there is a more recent one than that... |
| 13:15.03 | piper | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ : and then LordSutch's are the only ISOs above 100MB |
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| 13:16.26 | directhex|work | !tell piper about d-i |
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| 13:17.24 | piper | directhex: Cheers. |
| 13:17.41 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 13:17.41 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 13:18.16 | mlewis00 | piper: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is another link... |
| 13:19.01 | piper | mlewis00: Downloading now. |
| 13:19.35 | mlewis00 | piper: :) |
| 13:20.44 | possie | doesnt 2.6 kernel have /proc/ksyms? |
| 13:21.20 | Knight_Lord | possie apparently not |
| 13:21.25 | Bogaurd | how can i install python 2.2 on woody? |
| 13:21.51 | possie | Knight_Lord: well it thought maybe i skipped a kernel option |
| 13:22.16 | Knight_Lord | possie i'm not sure but i also don't have ksyms |
| 13:22.28 | jethro | howdi |
| 13:22.34 | piper | mlewis00: Thinking I should've grabbed the 30mb ISO, at least then I'd work out where the problem is quicker ;) |
| 13:23.00 | Bogaurd | can someone tell me a deb-src line for sid? |
| 13:23.01 | Knight_Lord | Bogaurd you can't |
| 13:23.03 | possie | Knight_Lord: k thanks for that info, wmware work station seems to need it that's why |
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| 13:23.44 | Bogaurd | Knight_Lord: i'll try to backport |
| 13:23.49 | mlewis00 | piper: That is why I was suggesting floppies, but since you were going to burn a CD anyway I thought it would be better to have the full image :-) |
| 13:24.19 | Knight_Lord | Bogaurd deb-src http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian/ sid main |
| 13:24.31 | Bogaurd | Knight_Lord: thanks |
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| 13:25.32 | NP_complete | hi all |
| 13:25.34 | piper | mlewis00: Well, it gives me time to read through the docs, at least. |
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| 13:25.53 | Sveglio | hello |
| 13:25.58 | Bogaurd | hello |
| 13:26.00 | Sveglio | I have a problem |
| 13:26.07 | NP_complete | I want to use ALSA instead of OSS in my new kernel, can i disable all OSS modules, compilation?? |
| 13:26.10 | mlewis00 | piper: True, something a lot of people don't do... |
| 13:26.10 | Sveglio | Can someone help me?? |
| 13:26.18 | pro | Sveglio, many people do, get to the point |
| 13:26.19 | Bogaurd | Sveglio: maybe if you ask :) |
| 13:26.21 | Knight_Lord | Sveglio only if you state the problem |
| 13:26.28 | mlewis00 | piper: But I have to go to bed soon but if I am not here I'm sure someone else here will help you with any problems you might have... |
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| 13:26.48 | Sveglio | I installed linspire |
| 13:26.57 | piper | mlewis00: Similar time zone? I'll probably head off myself before I start the install. |
| 13:27.06 | mlewis00 | piper: Also, if there is some problem with the installer you can also try one of the daily builds at http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/. |
| 13:27.08 | piper | (GMT +10) |
| 13:27.10 | Sveglio | and when I start the pc |
| 13:27.22 | directhex|work | NP_complete, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:27.23 | Overand | i've got a link (sym? hard? dunno.) i need to remove. it's on a drive i mounted, points to a weird place. so it's /mnt/hda1/mnt/floppy --> /mnt/auto/floppy |
| 13:27.23 | mlewis00 | piper: MST |
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| 13:27.30 | NP_complete | 2.6.8 |
| 13:27.39 | Overand | whenever i try to delete it, the process just stops. |
| 13:27.45 | directhex|work | NP_complete, why not just use a debian kernel-image, which includes the alsa modules? |
| 13:27.46 | Sveglio | there is a picture in wich I can swich between windows and linux |
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| 13:28.06 | cthulfuego | softlink then |
| 13:28.08 | piper | mlewis00: I'll admit, I have no idea what MST is. |
| 13:28.13 | Sveglio | but now I unistalled it |
| 13:28.19 | mlewis00 | piper: True, sometimes it is better to start something like that fresh... |
| 13:28.36 | Overand | cthulfuego: any reccomendations for getting rid of it? |
| 13:28.49 | NP_complete | i say, i need to compile a new kernel, but i don't want OSS, can i disable OSS compilation? will ALSA work fine without any OSS module?? |
| 13:28.50 | mlewis00 | piper: Mountain Standard Time - GMT + 7 I think. |
| 13:28.54 | izn0g | getting rid of a MST ? ;-) |
| 13:28.54 | Sveglio | but this section in which I have to choose between linspire and windows remain |
| 13:28.57 | NP_complete | that's the question. |
| 13:28.58 | takatumi | Sveglio: haven't you paid for linspire support? |
| 13:29.05 | cthulfuego | Overand: 'rm' _should_ do it. Just fsck the filesystem the link is on. |
| 13:29.11 | izn0g | NP_complete: alsa works fine without oss, for sure |
| 13:29.13 | Overand | it doesn't do it |
| 13:29.15 | Overand | fsck, good idea. |
| 13:29.18 | directhex|work | NP_complete, as long as you skip the right modules, then yes. you also need the alsa userland apps to be installed & up to date |
| 13:29.20 | cthulfuego | mlewis00: which mountain? |
| 13:29.20 | izn0g | NP_complete: it can also emulate oss |
| 13:29.23 | Sveglio | no... :) also because I unistalled it afret a day |
| 13:29.37 | directhex|work | NP_complete, but, for example, you still need to build the 'soundcore' module, and will want oss emulation modules |
| 13:29.42 | mlewis00 | cthulfuego: US Rocky type :) |
| 13:29.42 | NP_complete | fantastic, great |
| 13:30.00 | cthulfuego | mlewis00: Stupid of them to not call it USRMST |
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| 13:30.10 | NP_complete | ok, if /proc/cpuinfo say family=6, Do i have a K6? |
| 13:30.11 | Sveglio | I think it's LILO |
| 13:30.15 | cthulfuego | though some people might then confuse it with a modem |
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| 13:30.32 | Overand | cthulfuego: fsck is fine, and i still can't do it. if i even try to do tab-complete with the name the process hangs. |
| 13:30.51 | mlewis00 | cthulfuego: I guess I shouldn't assume that everyone is familiar with US time zones :-) |
| 13:30.53 | cthulfuego | Overand: Run fsck with a bad block check |
| 13:31.00 | Overand | k |
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| 13:31.13 | directhex|work | NP_complete, no, not at all |
| 13:31.26 | NP_complete | ok |
| 13:31.34 | directhex|work | NP_complete, the useful info is the vendor id & model name |
| 13:31.42 | directhex|work | NP_complete, if in doubt, build for 586 |
| 13:32.08 | cthulfuego | mlewis00: Damn right, EST is an australian timezone! |
| 13:32.11 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: Does autofs use a daemon? |
| 13:32.33 | izn0g | rick: there is an automount process per mountpoint |
| 13:32.52 | cthulfuego | Overand: You removing from an autofs thing? |
| 13:32.53 | piper | cthulfuego: Australian? |
| 13:33.00 | mlewis00 | cthulfuego: ? Is it? Hmmm... |
| 13:33.05 | Overand | you know that's probably right, yes. |
| 13:33.17 | Overand | i don't know autofs particularly, though |
| 13:33.20 | ricky_clarkson | Arse-troilian? |
| 13:33.20 | cthulfuego | mlewis00: Yep. 16 hours ahead of yours too, so ours wins ;-) |
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| 13:33.35 | ricky_clarkson | izn0g: If he killed the processes, would he be ok then? |
| 13:33.53 | cthulfuego | ricky_clarkson: Shut yer gob, you teadrinking cricket lover. |
| 13:33.53 | mlewis00 | cthulfuego: Does it still stand for Eastern Standard Time in Australia? |
| 13:34.00 | cthulfuego | mwilson: yep |
| 13:34.00 | ricky_clarkson | izn0g: Is there a way of stopping autofs from making new processes, at least temporarily? |
| 13:34.10 | izn0g | ricky_clarkson: /etc/init.d/autofs stop ? |
| 13:34.10 | cthulfuego | mlewis00: yep (timezone melbourne & sydney are in) |
| 13:34.13 | ricky_clarkson | cthulfuego: It's Aussies who like cricket. |
| 13:34.18 | ricky_clarkson | izn0g: Whatever. |
| 13:34.27 | izn0g | and it should be ok |
| 13:34.29 | piper | I feel partially responsible for this. |
| 13:34.32 | cthulfuego | ricky_clarkson: No, they WIN, they don't necessarily like it ;-) |
| 13:34.32 | mlewis00 | cthulfuego: Hmmm, learn something new every day :) |
| 13:34.37 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: /etc/init.d/autofs stop |
| 13:34.37 | izn0g | in doubt, unload the autofs kernel module |
| 13:34.48 | piper | cthulfuego: Melbourne or Sydney? |
| 13:34.50 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: is it cafuego? |
| 13:34.58 | cthulfuego | piper: s/or/and/ |
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| 13:35.19 | cthulfuego | Bogaurd: No, it's cthulhu. I ate cafuego shead but his brain took over. |
| 13:35.25 | piper | cthulfuego: What? |
| 13:35.27 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: Then use lsof or fuser to find out what process number is using the directory/file you want to delete, and use kill to kill it. Use kill -9 if it's stubborn. |
| 13:35.44 | ricky_clarkson | After that you should be able to delete the file, I think. |
| 13:35.46 | cthulfuego | piper: Oh, melb |
| 13:35.52 | Bogaurd | cthulfuego: oh, that makes it much more clear to me :) |
| 13:36.03 | NP_complete | initrd? or not initrd?? |
| 13:36.09 | Overand | ricky_clarkson: killing autofs did it |
| 13:36.13 | izn0g | Overand: apt-get install slay && slay user |
| 13:36.14 | izn0g | :) |
| 13:36.23 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: Esplendoroso. |
| 13:36.24 | piper | cthulfuego: Small world. |
| 13:36.37 | shgs | Hi guys. Is there such a thing as a SMTP forwarder? I need a program that could act as an SMTP to client computers but really just receives the e-mail and forwards it to the real SMTP server. |
| 13:36.46 | cthulfuego | ricky_clarkson: That doesn't normally hang 'rm' though. Just keeps the inode around until the process exists... |
| 13:36.51 | DerJamster | cthulfuego: iptables ;) |
| 13:37.02 | pro | shgs apt-cache show ssmtp |
| 13:37.05 | DerJamster | cthulfuego: sorry, wrong nick :) |
| 13:37.09 | ricky_clarkson | cthulfuego: No clue. |
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| 13:37.12 | shgs | pro: Thanks. |
| 13:37.15 | DerJamster | shgs: I'd use iptables. |
| 13:37.30 | NP_complete | should i make my 2.6.8 kernel initrd? |
| 13:37.31 | cthulfuego | piper: This channel is full of evil melbournians from exotic places like box hill. Relatively few from Deer Park I did notice, though. (Then again, that's the bush, not the city) |
| 13:37.35 | Guerin | shgs: they call it a MTA |
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| 13:37.44 | izn0g | shgs: you could also use a smtp agent in "forward only", like postfix, exim |
| 13:37.49 | shgs | DerJamster: What I need is the impression of a fast SMTP server, not a real one. |
| 13:37.51 | Guerin | hahah |
| 13:38.09 | Guerin | you silly australians, what you call 'bush' is basically garden in NZ |
| 13:38.14 | NP_complete | What does initrd on a kernel? |
| 13:38.17 | shgs | izn0g: How easy are these to configure? |
| 13:38.27 | Knight_Lord | NP_complete only if you need any module during the boot process |
| 13:38.45 | Guerin | NP_complete: loads modules before /lib can be mounted |
| 13:38.49 | izn0g | shgs: well, really easy with debconf :) it takes less than 10 second if you're lucky |
| 13:38.54 | Guerin | cthulfuego: :) |
| 13:38.58 | NP_complete | how can i know that? |
| 13:39.02 | cthulfuego | Guerin: I hear the sand is lovely once you get to know it. |
| 13:39.05 | izn0g | and dpkg-reconfigure postfix/exim to retry |
| 13:39.06 | Guerin | cthulfuego: only a week? |
| 13:39.21 | cthulfuego | Guerin: 2 days is enough for death, a week should do. |
| 13:39.24 | pau4o | some fun stuff --> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2005/01/microsoft_antispyware.html |
| 13:39.25 | shgs | izn0g: Seems to me that should be the best solution for me. |
| 13:39.26 | Guerin | cthulfuego: I'll be able to live on dingo blood and goanna piss for that lone |
| 13:39.28 | Guerin | g |
| 13:39.31 | NP_complete | how can i know if i need to load a module before /lib mounted?? |
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| 13:39.43 | Knight_Lord | NP_complete if you don't know that you probably shouldn't build a kernel yourself |
| 13:39.49 | Guerin | NP_complete: if it's needed to mount /lib |
| 13:40.03 | NP_complete | ok |
| 13:40.05 | cthulfuego | Guerin: You Steve whats-his-face Crocodile hunter you! |
| 13:40.10 | cthulfuego | Irwin |
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| 13:40.23 | Guerin | crikey! |
| 13:40.45 | cthulfuego | Look at the amount of piss in this goanna! Daddy's having a BATH tonight! |
| 13:41.02 | cthulfuego | !eye Guerin |
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| 13:41.44 | Guerin | cthulfuego: no, you pronounced 'piss' with an i ... you should have used ee to be more authenteek |
| 13:42.15 | cthulfuego | Guerin: I've only ever seen 'im on the news after he promised to kill his child, never seen his show. |
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| 13:42.21 | nevyn_ | hrm |
| 13:42.32 | NP_complete | ok now compiling without initrd |
| 13:42.35 | Guerin | cthulfuego: is that the one where he waves the baby in front of the massive crocodile? |
| 13:42.42 | cthulfuego | Guerin: yeah |
| 13:42.46 | piper | cthulfuego: his show's actually pretty good, I'd like to see a non-Australian watch it and see their reaction |
| 13:42.58 | cthulfuego | Guerin: poor thing would starve on one of those skinny things a day |
| 13:43.10 | Guerin | cthulfuego: I always thought he wwas a bit of a nutter, but now I'm utterly positive that both he and his wife are completely insane |
| 13:43.21 | Guerin | piper: it's fucking funny |
| 13:43.35 | Guerin | piper: well, my dutch grandmother was quite aghast |
| 13:43.54 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Yes, anyone who wnaders around near a salty (with or without child) is insane. |
| 13:44.00 | Guerin | NP_complete: did you compile your ide controller and your root filesystem in? |
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| 13:44.06 | Guerin | cthulfuego: pretty much. |
| 13:44.18 | NP_complete | ¿? |
| 13:44.30 | J_P | for me do one image from one hd to other i use: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hdd, but if i like do image do hard disk ? is : dd if=/dev/hdb of=/tmp/hdb ? |
| 13:44.32 | nevyn_ | hrm I figgure he knew what he was doing . had an escape route if things got hairy etc. |
| 13:44.32 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Unless their salty fillets ($29,95/kg) |
| 13:45.02 | NP_complete | Guerin: Do you mean, not as a module? |
| 13:45.05 | cthulfuego | nevyn_: throw the baby and run for your life! |
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| 13:45.26 | Guerin | NP_complete: yes. |
| 13:45.41 | Guerin | cthulfuego: hrm, I hear they're good, too. |
| 13:45.45 | nevyn_ | cthulfuego: umm a little more advanced than that given the guys experience with animals. |
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| 13:45.50 | NP_complete | iu don't know |
| 13:46.00 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Crocs or the other other white meat? |
| 13:46.05 | Guerin | cthulfuego: One Red Dog in wellington had crocopizza on the menu for a while |
| 13:46.19 | Guerin | cthulfuego: crocs... not babies. I know babies are good. |
| 13:46.26 | cthulfuego | Guerin: I've had crock kebabs... bit bland, fishy chicken. |
| 13:46.43 | cthulfuego | nevyn_: <heh> |
| 13:47.12 | cthulfuego | Guerin: You should say "Willington", it's more authentic ;-) |
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| 13:47.28 | Guerin | cthulfuego: I don't have much of a NZ accent, though. |
| 13:47.39 | Guerin | I pronounce my e and u |
| 13:47.40 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Nor do i have any TRACE of an aussie accent. |
| 13:47.57 | Guerin | cthulfuego: you have the advantage of twentysome years in holland |
| 13:48.11 | Guerin | if you can call that an advantage |
| 13:48.13 | cthulfuego | I heff no dutsj aksent, tenks. |
| 13:48.14 | jm_ | :) |
| 13:48.56 | cthulfuego | it so embarrases people when you go "What accent?" after they ask where the accent is from. |
| 13:49.04 | Guerin | ui biet u dieeuw |
| 13:49.10 | Guerin | hehe |
| 13:49.14 | Guerin | it does |
| 13:49.23 | Guerin | I got asked what part of ireland I was from once |
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| 13:49.35 | cthulfuego | Guerin: "The south island" ? |
| 13:49.41 | Guerin | i took it as a compliment, though my english friends tell me I shouldn't have |
| 13:50.02 | cthulfuego | Guerin: I think you perhaps should trust enolish opinions on the irish. |
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| 13:50.06 | Guerin | no, it was an irish person who asked me "what county'r'ye frum, thayn? |
| 13:50.07 | Guerin | " |
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| 13:50.22 | cthulfuego | After all, they oppressed them for centuries. |
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| 13:50.47 | cthulfuego | Guerin: Someone who hadn't perhaps travelled much? Or was is the stout talking? |
| 13:50.51 | Guerin | cthulfuego: yeah, i tend to side with the irish; since they understand music and drinking far better than the english. |
| 13:51.08 | Guerin | cthulfuego: someone from ireland who'd made it to new zealand |
| 13:51.16 | cthulfuego | Oooh dear <heh> |
| 13:51.33 | cthulfuego | They do come from a slightly sheltered part of europe ;-) |
| 13:51.35 | Guerin | cthulfuego: though I did work with a bunch or irish people, and drink a lot in irish pubs, and I pick up accents like a sponge |
| 13:51.40 | Guerin | even korean |
| 13:51.47 | NP_complete | What wil be compiled as a module, marked with dot, or a v? |
| 13:52.03 | Guerin | NP_complete: use make menuconfig. |
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| 13:52.13 | cthulfuego | NP_complete: an <M> |
| 13:52.20 | NP_complete | Guerin i used xconfig |
| 13:52.43 | jethro | menu better then x |
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| 13:53.04 | Guerin | NP_complete: I don't know xconfig syntax, sorry. |
| 13:53.09 | NP_complete | ok |
| 13:53.14 | Guerin | if gui can have syntax |
| 13:53.32 | Guerin | NP_complete: the helpfiles should tell you.... but it's much saner to use menuconfig |
| 13:53.36 | jethro | Guerin: there is no syntax, you just call make xconfig or make-kpkg --config xconfig then click all the way |
| 13:54.01 | Guerin | jethro: yeah, I don't know the semiotics of 'dot' and 'u' |
| 13:54.18 | piper | Download's done, I'm outta here. |
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| 13:54.32 | jethro | Guerin: you lost me on the last sentence |
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| 13:54.47 | Guerin | jethro: dict semiotics; then you'll understand |
| 13:54.52 | jethro | aight |
| 13:54.59 | Guerin | you might get a better hit on semiology |
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| 13:55.20 | bluefox83 | is there an MSI chat anywhere on here? |
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| 13:56.01 | Guerin | bluefox83: wtf is msi? |
| 13:56.05 | Guerin | is it like csi? |
| 13:56.23 | bluefox83 | Guerin, motherboard manufacturer, they make boards that are compatible with amd processors |
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| 13:56.48 | jethro | guessed even |
| 13:57.57 | Guerin | yeah, I guessed ms installer too |
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| 13:58.34 | WorkerII | Maybe this question belongs in another channel: I have an USB-pendrive, I want to synchronize with some CIF-mounts .. which program would be clever to use, "rsync" ? (Synchronize == be overwritten by) |
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| 13:59.07 | Guerin | WorkerII: rsync needn't overwrite |
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| 13:59.28 | Guerin | WorkerII: it can check an md5 and/or last modified time and skip if identical |
| 13:59.31 | WorkerII | Guerin : It only has to overwrite the files that has chnaged. |
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| 13:59.41 | ^Tanker | Hello all |
| 13:59.45 | Guerin | yeah, I think even cp can do that |
| 13:59.48 | efault | Does anyone know how to get the 'screen' program of the hardstatus like in bash? |
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| 13:59.59 | WorkerII | Guerin : So, cp is the way to go? |
| 14:00.01 | ^Tanker | Is it safe to install 'Testing sarge' on a home computer? |
| 14:00.03 | jethro | efault: man screen |
| 14:00.10 | WorkerII | Guerin : IYNHO? |
| 14:00.23 | ^Tanker | I want to settle with one and do not want to upgrade later....should I must wait for the final release? |
| 14:00.25 | efault | jethro: I want that to be in bash .. instread of using screen.. is it possible? |
| 14:00.31 | Guerin | WorkerII: I THINK cp can do that... I KNOW rsync and lftp can. |
| 14:00.43 | jethro | efault: s/screen/bash/ with my previous answer |
| 14:00.50 | efault | thx |
| 14:00.54 | WorkerII | Guerin : Ok |
| 14:00.58 | idnar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.58 | idnar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.59 | idnar | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.09 | Guerin | idnar: from cp? |
| 14:01.11 | idnar | that's from cp(1) |
| 14:01.17 | Guerin | yay, my memory worked |
| 14:01.31 | ^Tanker | Guys? hello? |
| 14:01.34 | idnar | Guerin: you should run memtest86 on your memory if yout hink it's faulty ;) |
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| 14:02.00 | idnar | ^Tanker: if you install sarge now, you'll get what's in sarge now |
| 14:02.11 | Guerin | ^Tanker: no, it's never safe to install an os and never upgrade again, unless it won't be connected to a network. |
| 14:02.37 | ^Tanker | I meant *upgrade to the final version... |
| 14:02.47 | Guerin | ^Tanker: however, if you install sarge now, and make youre your sources point to 'sarge', you'll be able to stabilise when it does, without upgrading. |
| 14:02.50 | ^Tanker | So what's the main difference between the current 'testing' sarge and the final |
| 14:03.13 | Guerin | ^Tanker: impossible to tell, since the final hasn't been released yet. |
| 14:03.23 | caphuso | the final will be called "stable" |
| 14:03.36 | idnar | ^Tanker: the difference is whatever goes into sarge between now and when it's released |
| 14:03.48 | ^Tanker | Guerin: can you please explain a little more on what you said above... |
| 14:03.58 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 14:03.58 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once sarge stabilises: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 14:03.59 | ^Tanker | I didnt quite understand |
| 14:04.17 | ^Tanker | WHAt?! |
| 14:04.21 | ^Tanker | Thats AWESOME |
| 14:04.32 | Guerin | ^Tanker: for reference: woody means current stable. sarge means current testing. etch means future testing. |
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| 14:04.40 | Guerin | yeah, it is eh. |
| 14:04.50 | ^Tanker | that means if I install testing, when the final comes our, automatically the necessary upgrades? |
| 14:04.59 | efault | jethro: but it only talks about PROMPT_COMMAND, I just tested and it's not like hardstatus like. |
| 14:05.37 | jethro | efault: I have no answer to your question other then "read the doc, since nobody seem to be able to help". If you come out with something working, please let us know though |
| 14:05.51 | idnar | ^Tanker: you'll have to run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to make it happen (Debian won't do it behind your back), but otherwise it should Just Work(tm) |
| 14:06.19 | efault | jethro: anyway, thanks for your help |
| 14:06.30 | jethro | efault: sorry I can't help more then this |
| 14:06.33 | ^Tanker | *automatically, the necessary upgrades will be downloaded? |
| 14:06.53 | ^Tanker | cool |
| 14:06.54 | jethro | ^Tanker: not unless you tell your system to do so using apt-get, man apt-get |
| 14:06.56 | ^Tanker | isn't that awesome? |
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| 14:07.14 | idnar | ^Tanker: you get used to it ;) |
| 14:07.30 | ^Tanker | sure... |
| 14:07.47 | PitchforkLinux | anyone know of a very good how to to correct XF86 Configuration for mouse failure after update to kernel 2.6.x? |
| 14:07.51 | ^Tanker | can you link me to some Debian shots running KDE? |
| 14:08.02 | jethro | !tell PitchforkLinux about setup x |
| 14:08.17 | Knight_Lord | não |
| 14:08.19 | petemc | PitchforkLinux: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 14:08.23 | Knight_Lord | wrong window sorry |
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| 14:09.36 | ^Tanker | any other features which make Debian unique? |
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| 14:09.50 | Guerin | ^Tanker: you have to make sure your sources point to 'sarge'; not 'testing'; otherwise it'll upgrade to the NEW testing. |
| 14:09.59 | ^Tanker | I see |
| 14:10.10 | ^Tanker | where can that 'sources' thing can be found? |
| 14:10.15 | ^Tanker | GRR |
| 14:10.16 | ^Tanker | *typo |
| 14:10.18 | jethro | ^Tanker: /etc/apt/ |
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| 14:11.23 | ^Tanker | can you guys link me to some site which has screenshots of Debian (Sarge) running KDE and the tools and stuff? |
| 14:11.29 | Nwallins | I'm having trouble building kernel modules for linux-wlan-ng.. /usr/src/modules/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0+0.2.1pre21/src/p80211/p80211conv.c:502: error: union has no member named `ethernet' |
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| 14:11.48 | jethro | ^Tanker: images.google.com |
| 14:11.55 | ^Tanker | let me try |
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| 14:12.08 | ^Tanker | Sarge? |
| 14:12.20 | jethro | ^Tanker: can't you think on your own? |
| 14:12.27 | ^Tanker | sure |
| 14:12.29 | ^Tanker | thanks |
| 14:12.34 | jethro | yw |
| 14:12.43 | ^Tanker | Thanks for recommending that |
| 14:12.54 | ^Tanker | it really works |
| 14:13.09 | jethro | !moron ^Tanker |
| 14:13.10 | dpkg | ^Tanker: You are moron #97 |
| 14:13.33 | ^Tanker | lol that makes you #98 |
| 14:13.40 | ^Tanker | !moron jethro |
| 14:13.41 | dpkg | jethro: You are moron #85 |
| 14:13.44 | ^Tanker | lol |
| 14:13.46 | ^Tanker | sorry 85 |
| 14:13.59 | hool | i am the OG moron then? |
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| 14:14.00 | PitchforkLinux | jethro that help message looks like greek. I have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and my config file shows dev/input/mice but still no go on the starting x |
| 14:14.02 | jd85 | moron jd85: |
| 14:14.03 | jd85 | sh: line 1: moron: command not found |
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| 14:14.10 | jethro | PitchforkLinux: see what petemc said |
| 14:14.10 | Guerin | wtf do screenshots have to do with anything? |
| 14:14.12 | jd85 | ha |
| 14:14.15 | Guerin | it's all kde |
| 14:14.29 | takatumi | Guerin: maybe the swirl |
| 14:15.06 | jethro | Guerin: it makes stupid people choose this or that based on how it looks like |
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| 14:16.04 | Guerin | jethro: doesn't make it any less irrelevant |
| 14:16.11 | jethro | indeed |
| 14:16.13 | Guerin | if you can navigate the double negative |
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| 14:16.18 | jethro | Guerin: I can :) |
| 14:16.19 | PitchforkLinux | dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 14:16.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 14:16.22 | Tanker_ | hey common guys... |
| 14:16.38 | takatumi | commoners? |
| 14:16.40 | Tanker_ | I told ya I'm new so GUI is pretty important to me... |
| 14:16.42 | Tanker_ | lol |
| 14:16.45 | Tanker_ | come on |
| 14:16.50 | jethro | Tanker_: go for mandrake |
| 14:16.55 | jethro | or better yet, suse |
| 14:16.57 | PitchforkLinux | !dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 14:16.57 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 14:16.58 | Guerin | no, mandrake offers nothing |
| 14:17.10 | Guerin | debian has planety of guiness |
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| 14:17.20 | Tanker_ | I've tried mandrake, but kinda looked too basic, I'm ready for a little challenge |
| 14:17.20 | Guerin | note I didn't say guinness |
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| 14:17.34 | Guerin | mandy is just what it sounds like - for teeny boppers |
| 14:17.38 | Nwallins | if you've never used gnome or kde, how would you choose? i'd choose first based on looks, and then get to know whichever looked more pleasant |
| 14:17.49 | jethro | mandrake offers to take stupid users and avoids support to them from the debian project |
| 14:17.52 | what` | Anybody know when mysql-server 4.1 for sarge will be next updated? |
| 14:18.24 | what` | Guerin, that's not fair! Debby doesn't sound too good either :) |
| 14:18.33 | jethro | what`: try asking the maintainer if you don't get WIR as an answer |
| 14:18.52 | Guerin | what`: haha |
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| 14:19.59 | Tanker_ | why are you guys so harsh towards newbies? |
| 14:20.12 | Tanker_ | I mean no offense... |
| 14:20.17 | jethro | Tanker_: only against newbies not being smart |
| 14:20.19 | Tanker_ | but it looks like that |
| 14:20.28 | Tanker_ | I aint being smart, am I? |
| 14:20.28 | jethro | I mean no offense |
| 14:20.31 | jethro | but it looks like that |
| 14:20.41 | Tanker_ | see what I mean? |
| 14:20.42 | Nwallins | it's part of the culture. newbies typically want everything done _for_ them |
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| 14:21.20 | sussudio | !tell Tanker_ about enter |
| 14:21.21 | Tanker_ | yeh? |
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| 14:21.48 | SlayerXP | Tanker_: I have nothing against newbies |
| 14:21.56 | Guerin | Tanker_: there's a different between clueless and stupid |
| 14:22.08 | Guerin | clueless implies the potential to leanr |
| 14:22.12 | Guerin | learn, too |
| 14:22.12 | ricky_clarkson | Tanker_: We're harsh towards newbies who are determined to remain newbies. |
| 14:22.18 | SlayerXP | i have nothing but arrogant disgust for newbies who can't think, read or use google |
| 14:22.29 | Guerin | whereas people who are stupid are beyond help |
| 14:22.30 | savannah | hay i was tired of my windows crashing and losing all my data so i did a full install of knoppix on my HD |
| 14:22.34 | SlayerXP | !cluedrill Tanker_ |
| 14:22.35 | savannah | but i have no sound |
| 14:22.42 | Shadur | !notdebian |
| 14:22.42 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. Knoppix does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
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| 14:22.44 | sussudio | savannah: #knoppix |
| 14:22.49 | Shadur | savannah: Try #knoppix |
| 14:22.50 | savannah | yes |
| 14:22.53 | SlayerXP | savannah: /part #debian; /join #knoppix |
| 14:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: I'd rather spend time with a stupid ambitious person than an intelligent git. |
| 14:22.57 | Tanker_ | well thanks for that SlayerXP |
| 14:22.58 | Guerin | typically, a person's first minutes in this channel are used by its regulars to decide which of these thing they are |
| 14:23.03 | SlayerXP | Tanker_: my pleasure. |
| 14:23.07 | Tanker_ | lol |
| 14:23.19 | Tanker_ | I see... |
| 14:23.21 | ricky_clarkson | !lol |
| 14:23.21 | dpkg | Luser On Line. It's ok to say lol in AIM, please avoid it in #debian |
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| 14:23.30 | sussudio | grr |
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| 14:23.33 | sussudio | !factinfo lol |
| 14:23.33 | dpkg | lol -- last modified 3d 18h 1m 14s ago by citral!~christoph@gtn9-d9bb9068.pool.mediaWays.net; it has been requested 16 times, last by ricky_clarkson, 12s ago. |
| 14:23.42 | Tanker_ | well I apoligies if I acted like a dumbo... |
| 14:23.44 | sussudio | citral again |
| 14:23.44 | sussudio | fucker |
| 14:23.44 | Guerin | fucking citral |
| 14:23.46 | NP_complete | Wich kind of driver for a Polaroid PDC3030 (as webcam)?? |
| 14:23.52 | Guerin | sanitising my factoids again |
| 14:24.00 | ricky_clarkson | !citral |
| 14:24.01 | saloxin | whats good way to setup redundant dhcp servers? |
| 14:24.03 | what` | Another way to spot newbies is to see if they hang around in #debian-newbies |
| 14:24.08 | ricky_clarkson | !citral is a fucking censor |
| 14:24.08 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:24.22 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: i've asked you this before, but could you please lock citral out of changing factoids? |
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| 14:24.39 | Guerin | dpkg, no, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 14:24.39 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 14:24.45 | jethro | Guerin: stupid people can be some fun tho |
| 14:24.56 | Guerin | jethro: a perverse kind of fun, maybe |
| 14:25.19 | jethro | you calling me a pervert? :) |
| 14:25.20 | rope | anyone out there having experience of hooking Debian into SAN usig Qlogic 2340? |
| 14:25.33 | Nwallins | i'm having trouble building the linux-wlan-ng kernel modules. the build-modules script that came with it is failing, starting with: /usr/src/modules/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0+0.2.1pre21/src/p80211/p80211conv.c:502: error: union has no member named `ethernet' |
| 14:25.41 | dao | is there a way to make a trash-applet and volume-apples in the gnome-panel, now I made different launchers with "nautilus --brower trash:" but then you can't right-click empty of course.. anyone? |
| 14:25.44 | Guerin | jethro: one need not be a pervert to see the perverse in something |
| 14:25.53 | Guerin | but yeah, I am. |
| 14:25.59 | jethro | eh |
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| 14:26.07 | ^Tanker | Hi all |
| 14:26.10 | Telex4 | I've got a problem with MTAs and apt-get.... I had qmail, and was trying to swap it for sendmail but it borked in the install... now every apt-get command tells me to use "apt-get -f install" to fix problems, which itself borks with an error about an uninstalled package:error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sendmail-bin_8.13.3-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 14:26.10 | Telex4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.25 | Guerin | ^Tanker: weren't you just here a minute ago? |
| 14:26.34 | ^Tanker | yeh I had to reconnect... |
| 14:26.36 | Guerin | Telex4: dpkg --force-help |
| 14:27.00 | Guerin | Telex4: but you should reconsider whether installing packages from outside debian is wise in the first place. |
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| 14:27.13 | SlayerXP | Telex4: apt-get install exim4 |
| 14:27.18 | Telex4 | Guerin: I'm not installing from outside debian |
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| 14:27.30 | Guerin | Telex4: are you using sid? |
| 14:27.30 | npx_ | Yeah, 99% of the time, it's better to build from source and install to /usr/local or ~ |
| 14:27.39 | npx_ | (things typically work better that way) |
| 14:27.41 | Guerin | npx_: no. |
| 14:28.02 | ^Tanker | can RPMs be installed on debian? And is it ok to install any RPM or does it specifically have to be created for a certain distro? |
| 14:28.05 | Telex4 | Guerin: debian_version reports 3.1 |
| 14:28.07 | npx_ | Guerin, as opposed to installing packages from non-debian repositores? that's been my experience |
| 14:28.24 | Guerin | Telex4: apt-get -f install |
| 14:28.25 | Nwallins | where do you put locally compiled software? fhs seems to imply /opt |
| 14:28.33 | Guerin | npx_: you choose shitty repositories. |
| 14:28.44 | Guerin | Telex4: like the nice dpkg tells you |
| 14:28.49 | fatal__ | ^Tanker: Can it be done? yes (see alien). Should you do it? no (you'll just fuck up the system). :) |
| 14:28.51 | Guerin | oh |
| 14:28.56 | npx_ | Guerin I use marillat and debian, nothing more and nothing less |
| 14:28.56 | Telex4 | Guerin: that just gives me the aforementioned error about overwriting a file (that exists) from fastforward (that isn't installed) |
| 14:29.03 | ^Tanker | thanks fatal |
| 14:29.14 | Guerin | Telex4: try dpkg -P fastforward |
| 14:29.22 | npx_ | Nwallins I put it in /usr/local or ~ depending on whether or not I want other user's to use it... I installed X.org to /opt though |
| 14:29.27 | ^Tanker | dpkg -P fastforward |
| 14:29.28 | dpkg | ^Tanker: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:29.34 | ^Tanker | ? |
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| 14:30.00 | ^Tanker | !info gaim woody |
| 14:30.10 | Guerin | npx_: then you're delusional, because marillat's packages are built to fit in seamlessly with debina, and the only time they don't is for a few days after a big lib upgrade |
| 14:30.13 | dpkg | gaim: (GPL multi-protocol instant messenger client - Gtk+ version), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.58-2.4 (woody), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 14:30.17 | Guerin | debian, not debina |
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| 14:30.32 | npx_ | npx_ I mean packages that aren't in marillat or debian's repository =/ |
| 14:31.05 | npx_ | i.e. most of the stuff in the rarewarez repository |
| 14:31.38 | npx_ | sry if that wasn't clear, it's 8:40 AM and I'm hungover |
| 14:31.44 | Telex4 | Guerin: dpkg -P fastforward reports dependency problems related to qmail :/ |
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| 14:32.10 | Guerin | npx_: the only time I've struck overwrite issues is 1) using sid/experimental, temporarily; 2) using ubuntu packages; 3) using packages which were build months ago but which were built with shoddy versioning do dpkg doesn't detect a broken dep |
| 14:32.34 | Guerin | Telex4: you have qmail installed, AND you want to install sendmail? |
| 14:32.42 | Guerin | how much pain can you take? |
| 14:32.52 | Telex4 | Guerin: it obviously didn't properly uninstall, leaving this weird problems :/ |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | dpkg -P |
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| 14:33.05 | Guerin | Telex4: qmail never uninstalls cleanly |
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| 14:33.07 | abrotman | yes! |
| 14:33.07 | npx_ | Guerin Yeah, instead of using x.org packages from ubuntu I built it myself for example |
| 14:33.32 | Telex4 | Guerin: so have you any ideas about what I can do? each dpkg command just exits with a dependency related error |
| 14:33.33 | abrotman | why don't people just use the svn tree the XSF has done ? |
| 14:33.44 | Guerin | Telex4: what package does it say requires fastforward? |
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| 14:33.50 | Guerin | yeah, I can fix this |
| 14:33.55 | Telex4 | Guerin: qmail |
| 14:34.01 | vladkao | I have patched my version of iptables with patch-o-matic, but I want to make a .deb package of it. Is it as easy as the kpkg ? |
| 14:34.06 | Guerin | Telex4: dpkg -P fastforward qmail |
| 14:34.20 | Nwallins | i'm having trouble building the linux-wlan-ng kernel modules. the build-modules script that came with it is failing, starting with:/usr/src/modules/ linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0+0.2.1pre21/src/p80211/p80211conv.c:502: error: union has no member named `ethernet' |
| 14:34.20 | npx_ | vladkao Yeah, pretty darn close |
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| 14:34.26 | Guerin | vladkao: yeah. apt-get install dh-make |
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| 14:34.54 | Telex4 | Guerin: dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of qmail: // dot-forward depends on qmail (>> 1.03-woody0). // libvpopmail1 depends on qmail. // dpkg: error processing qmail (--purge): // dependency problems - not removing // dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of fastforward: // qmail depends on fastforward (>> 0.51-woody0). // dpkg: error processing fastforward (--purge): // dependency problems - not removing // Errors wer |
| 14:34.54 | Telex4 | encountered while processing: // qmail // fastforward |
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| 14:35.12 | Guerin | aaargh |
| 14:35.20 | Guerin | >mhallsmite qmail |
| 14:35.25 | Guerin | !mhallsmite qmail |
| 14:35.26 | dpkg | Fuck qmail. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 14:36.03 | npx_ | that's ugly =( |
| 14:36.09 | Guerin | Telex4: dpkg -P fastforward qmail dot-forward libvpopmail1 |
| 14:36.31 | Guerin | jesusfuckingchrist, why do people like qmail so much? |
| 14:36.46 | Telex4 | Guerin: just a spiral of more packages being mentioned... now libvpopmail-freecdb and libvpopmail-lmysql |
| 14:36.53 | Guerin | that's ok |
| 14:36.57 | Telex4 | add them too? |
| 14:36.58 | Guerin | add those to the list |
| 14:37.45 | Guerin | when you're don, go and beat the person who installed this box with a 20" salami |
| 14:37.52 | Guerin | s/don/done |
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| 14:38.45 | stego | You could also do it when you the Don. |
| 14:39.05 | npx | =D |
| 14:39.21 | Guerin | stego: or you could just get Danny DeVito to do it for you |
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| 14:40.13 | stego | Guerin, shinpads should protect you then. |
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| 14:41.23 | MEP | There's no Sarge DVD ISO available? |
| 14:41.47 | npx | now that steam is no longer pre-loading ~20 games, eating all my bandwidth, and not consuming 40mb of memory (only 6, heh), it's almost bearable |
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| 14:42.05 | PitchforkLinux | !dpkg network |
| 14:42.05 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. |
| 14:42.33 | NP_complete | kernel panic! |
| 14:42.45 | hool | NP_complete, CONGRATULATIONS! :) |
| 14:42.56 | NP_complete | I've made a kernel-non-initrd |
| 14:43.11 | NP_complete | sarge default kernel is initrd. |
| 14:43.13 | hool | you wrecked one of the worlds most stable linux dists.. Here's your diploma ;) |
| 14:43.21 | NP_complete | how to boot a non-initrd? |
| 14:43.41 | npx | NP_complete you have to build the IDE controller and root FS driver into the kernel |
| 14:43.48 | PitchforkLinux | ok.. great I got my mouse running now but now that kernel 2.6.8 is up I no longer have access to network. what is the modprobe command to get my netcard back it is a realtec 8139 |
| 14:43.56 | neiljp | does anyone use DGA under X? debian only seems to include a static lib for it, for developing apps, is there a way to find out whether this is a debian packaging choice or whether there are no shared objects? |
| 14:44.44 | npx | NP_complete assuming you've done that, you do it just like you would an initrd kernel, except sans initrd declaration in your bootloader config |
| 14:44.54 | MEP | !info kde woody |
| 14:44.56 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.25 (woody), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 14:45.31 | MEP | !info kde sarge |
| 14:45.34 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:43 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 14:45.34 | thomas_adam | A long shot here -- but are there any xboard(6) users? |
| 14:45.40 | MEP | cool |
| 14:45.40 | npx | thomas_adam yeah |
| 14:45.42 | NP_complete | npx? what? |
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| 14:45.50 | npx | NP_complete what wasn't clear? |
| 14:45.58 | poleWurk | anyone know of a cacluator in debian that solves polynomial equations? |
| 14:46.08 | NP_complete | you mean that i need to do initrd stuff in my grub even my kernel is not initrd? |
| 14:46.18 | npx | NP_complete sans = without |
| 14:46.20 | thomas_adam | npx: Do you know if the .pgn spec that xboard uses for game files allows for the game to be paused at each move, assuming there is a commentary in the file? |
| 14:46.42 | xmb_ | is there a way to disable SA[K] done via sysrq again? did it on X, now it quite runs, but is unusable.. 3/5 of the screen black with splitted lines and pixes, representing the virtual consoles |
| 14:46.45 | hairy_potter | poleWurk: gnuplot, even :) |
| 14:46.45 | npx | I can't say I do, I only use xboard to play against chess engines |
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| 14:47.16 | directhex|work | MEP, try 'kdebase' for more useful numbers |
| 14:47.24 | NP_complete | well i'm gona make an initrd image... |
| 14:47.30 | Guerin | chess is a nancy's game |
| 14:47.35 | npx | NP_complete it's really a waste of time |
| 14:47.47 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Pfffft. |
| 14:47.50 | MEP | Thank you, directhex|work |
| 14:47.51 | NP_complete | my FS in not inside kernel |
| 14:47.52 | Guerin | play go |
| 14:47.56 | npx | Just build in your IDE driver and root FS driver, if you've got a modern machine it won't take 20 minutes |
| 14:47.58 | MEP | !info kdebase sarge |
| 14:48.01 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.1-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 14:48.15 | Overand | I'm trying to copy the contents of one partition (mountpoint: / )to another with 'find / -xdev -print0 | cpio -pa0V /mnt/temp' and it's not working, any reccomendations for a way to move an entire root directory structure without killing my permissions and mangling stuff like /dev and /proc? i'm booted into the system i'm copying from, but i can use knoppix or whatever |
| 14:48.16 | MEP | !info kdebsae woody |
| 14:48.17 | eNTi | anyone on inode.xdsl here and uses shorwall? |
| 14:48.19 | Guerin | you'll never play chess again, unless it's to pretend the horsies are actually jumping |
| 14:48.25 | NP_complete | npx: No initrd, my FS (ext3) isn't inside my kernel... |
| 14:48.29 | MEP | oops |
| 14:48.35 | MEP | !info kdebase woody |
| 14:48.38 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE core applications), section x11, is optional. Version: 4:2.2.2-14.8 (woody), Packaged size: 6333 kB, Installed size: 16280 kB |
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| 14:48.40 | NP_complete | so need to recompile, no? |
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| 14:48.50 | npx | thomas_adam recently I've started using eboard |
| 14:49.01 | thomas_adam | npx: eboard is teh suck. |
| 14:49.05 | npx | hahaha |
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| 14:49.22 | npx | thomas_adam I guess that's why I use it. It fits in with windows =) |
| 14:49.34 | Guerin | Overand: rsync --exclude /some/stuff/you/dont/want |
| 14:49.39 | MEP | Is it not possible to burn a few Sarge ISOs on a DVD, rather than burning on seperate CDs ? |
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| 14:50.29 | Guerin | !yinzersmite ricky_clarkson |
| 14:50.49 | ricky_clarkson | !dict yinzer |
| 14:50.51 | npx | You can download sarge DVD images, can't you? |
| 14:50.52 | dpkg | could not find definition for yinzer |
| 14:50.56 | xam | MEP: why don't you get/build the DVD images then? |
| 14:51.00 | MEP | let me do a search... |
| 14:51.06 | MEP | I didn't know that! |
| 14:51.06 | MEP | heh |
| 14:51.08 | Guerin | a 'yinzer' is apparently a person from Pittsburgh, Ohio |
| 14:51.12 | NP_complete | If i want to make a initrd image, should i apply any patch?? |
| 14:51.12 | Overand | Guerin: it's all on one machine (and i'm not very familiar with rsync), but i thought it was for remote stuff, ala syncing to an ftp mirror etc |
| 14:51.14 | npx | I wasn't sure, MEP |
| 14:51.22 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.31 | Guerin | Overand: nah, rsync is good for local, too. You can use cp -a too |
| 14:51.46 | Overand | won't cp -a mangle my /dev and /proc ? |
| 14:51.47 | Guerin | nvz: there's a pittsburgh in pennsylvania too? |
| 14:51.57 | Guerin | Overand: not if you exclude them |
| 14:51.57 | npx | scp also works |
| 14:52.07 | thomas_adam | Overand: Yes, but you don't need to copy those. |
| 14:52.08 | snakeru | Hello. I've just lost one of my LVM partitions due to obscure reason and now considering the whole idea of switching to LVM. Can anybody tell me if LVM code is stable enough now (2.6.10) ? |
| 14:52.25 | npx | I typically use scp a lot on a lan, just because if you're already using ssh it's good to go |
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| 14:52.31 | thomas_adam | snakeru: LVM is a mechanism. |
| 14:52.52 | snakeru | thomas_adam: but is it good for production use? |
| 14:53.00 | nvz | yeah, Pittsburgh Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Panthers.. etc.. tons of colleges |
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| 14:53.03 | thomas_adam | snakeru: "good" for what? |
| 14:53.15 | thomas_adam | snakeru: Try and be specific. |
| 14:53.21 | xmb_ | whats the suspend signals number or name |
| 14:53.23 | Nwallins_ | managing volumes? |
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| 14:53.23 | thomas_adam | I realise it's hard. |
| 14:53.28 | MEP | http://linux.inf.elte.hu/ftp/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge-dvd/ |
| 14:53.31 | Guerin | nvz: you americans have too much land for the amount of names there are |
| 14:53.37 | thomas_adam | xmb_: trap -l |
| 14:53.40 | MEP | I've found them, but surprisingly, there are 3 of them, around 350MB each ?? |
| 14:53.47 | Guerin | anyway, sleep time |
| 14:53.50 | xmb_ | thomas.. hup? |
| 14:54.02 | thomas_adam | xmb_: SIGSTOP |
| 14:54.05 | nvz | you mean yinz americans? |
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| 14:54.12 | xmb_ | ah |
| 14:54.14 | NP_complete | how to apply the cramfs patch?? |
| 14:54.16 | snakeru | I have the following config: /dev/sd[ab]3 -> /dev/md2 -> "volume group "hunk"" -> ["lv tmp", "lv media"] |
| 14:54.23 | thomas_adam | xmb_: Then SIGCONT. |
| 14:54.25 | MEP | npx, you there |
| 14:54.25 | npx | nvz yins =D |
| 14:54.36 | npx | MEP, yeah I'm here |
| 14:54.43 | xmb_ | merci thomas |
| 14:54.46 | MEP | you got the link above? |
| 14:54.48 | thomas_adam | xmb_: I.e: kill -SIGSTOP $(pidof myapp) && sleep 10 && kill -SIGCONT $(pidpf myapp) |
| 14:54.52 | npx | I dunno what the deal is, I haven't burnt an installer CD in ages |
| 14:55.12 | MEP | it kinda looks strange...DVD ISO around 350 Megs!? |
| 14:55.13 | thomas_adam | xmb_: De rien. |
| 14:55.20 | npx | That is odd |
| 14:55.24 | npx | I'll give it a look |
| 14:55.30 | snakeru | during several boots I've got message that mapper can not handle sda3 (though it should not touch it since it is working with /dev/md2) and then finally I have lost "media" lv |
| 14:55.38 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Gooooooten Tag. |
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| 14:55.45 | snakeru | md2 is a raid0 personality |
| 14:55.47 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Wotcher. How's things? |
| 14:55.47 | npx | There are OFFICIAL dvd images I think |
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| 14:56.30 | nvz | Guerin: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. is where the Ohia, Allegheney, and Monongalia rivers meet, its Steel City USA, a cultural melting pot, that has all but melted away. |
| 14:56.53 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Busy. |
| 14:57.02 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Tell me about it. |
| 14:57.06 | Nwallins_ | nvz: 'ohia' is that pittsburghese? |
| 14:57.11 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Really? |
| 14:57.26 | nvz | Nwallins_: yeah, sure is |
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| 14:57.43 | Nwallins_ | http://www.pittsburghese.com/ |
| 14:57.51 | nvz | Nwallins_: I am from picksburgh you see |
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| 14:57.57 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Sure. :) I always like to know what's going on oop North. |
| 14:57.59 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: I'm going to be teaching salsa in a place that used to be a strip club, I've got to write a Java module this week, and I'm a lazy git. |
| 14:58.21 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Parse error: Lazy git was always assumed... :) |
| 14:58.24 | npx | I'm going to be eating salsa this evening |
| 14:58.37 | ricky_clarkson | npx: As long as you don't eat salsa dancers.. |
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| 14:59.04 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Do you want me to send you some tortilla chips to go with that? |
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| 14:59.28 | NP_complete | I can't mark "AMD and nVidia IDE support" as inside of kernel, why?? |
| 14:59.39 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: I don't eat tortoises. |
| 14:59.41 | NP_complete | just as module... |
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| 15:00.09 | nvz | yeah for only being able to come up with 4 full sentances, I got me a pretty successful smite there. I will have to try and remeber more picksburgh slang |
| 15:00.27 | npx | ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge-dvd/ |
| 15:00.44 | npx | Those look about right. |
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| 15:02.40 | NP_complete | If i do Ext3 inside kernel, can i boot a non-initrd? |
| 15:03.01 | ricky_clarkson | #debian-boot perhaps |
| 15:03.03 | npx | yeah it should work |
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| 15:03.05 | NP_complete | i can't insert AMD and nVidia IDE |
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| 15:03.16 | npx | You'll have to load the specific IDE module after the root fs is mounted |
| 15:03.32 | NP_complete | manualy? |
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| 15:03.39 | nvz | the thing is yinzers and their associated accents.. dont do smites very well.. the terms they use to make fun of someone and the way they say it, its more like the jokes on whoever says it.. heh.. so a yinzersmite is a challenge even for a native yinzer |
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| 15:03.43 | PitchforkLinux | Guerin I need some help. Everything was going fine until udate to 2.6.8x. Got that done. got mouse working now I have no network card. no device found. also I keep booting into X and I don't want that. want just the terminal screen but can't remember the command to stop the dm from autostarting. I know it is something nodm |
| 15:03.53 | npx | NP_complete no, only once with modconf |
| 15:04.00 | npx | then in the future it will be reloaded automatically |
| 15:04.16 | NP_complete | but, when? |
| 15:04.22 | ricky_clarkson | At boot time. |
| 15:04.25 | ricky_clarkson | man init |
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| 15:05.08 | PitchforkLinux | !dpkg nodm |
| 15:05.08 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:05.10 | digerati | exit |
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| 15:05.29 | NP_complete | I have marked ext3 as inside of kernel isn't ti enough to boot a non-initrd? |
| 15:05.40 | vladkao | Guerin: I have installed dh-make. now what? :-) |
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| 15:06.09 | abrotman | Guerin: you are god! |
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| 15:06.51 | thomas_adam | abrotman: You been adding cannabis to your muffins again? |
| 15:06.55 | nvz | !yinzersmite abrotman |
| 15:06.57 | PitchforkLinux | abrotman. can you help me to get my eth0 back? |
| 15:07.06 | thomas_adam | PitchforkLinux: Ask lo? |
| 15:07.13 | abrotman | PitchforkLinux: install discover |
| 15:07.24 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Ewww. |
| 15:07.35 | thomas_adam | PitchforkLinux: dmesg | less && man 5 interfaces |
| 15:07.35 | PitchforkLinux | can't no network for apt-get. I already tried that |
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| 15:08.06 | abrotman | PitchforkLinux: then install the damn module |
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| 15:09.01 | PitchforkLinux | ok so then that command is modprobe 8139 |
| 15:09.07 | npx | vladkao first move the source tree to iptables-version_greater_than_current_debian then create a tar.gz of the directory's contents (tar cvvf iptables-<tab>; gzip iptables-<tab>.<tab>) |
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| 15:09.14 | PitchforkLinux | I guess I don't know how to install the module |
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| 15:09.35 | nvz | Da Stillers lost last night in picksburg, to da patrits |
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| 15:09.54 | PitchforkLinux | !dpkg interfaces |
| 15:09.54 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 15:09.57 | abrotman | PitchforkLinux: modconf |
| 15:09.58 | npx | vladkao then: cd iptables-<tab>; dh_make -e your@maintainer.address -f ../filename-version.tar.gz; select single binary; apt-get install fakeroot; dh_make -e your@maintainer.address -f ../filename-version.tar.gz |
| 15:10.00 | npx | err shit |
| 15:10.05 | npx | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.15 | npx | instead of dh_make at the end, sry |
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| 15:10.26 | nvz | its a sad day in picksburgh when we can't sing the stillers are gowen to da super bowl song |
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| 15:10.39 | abrotman | nvz: that game sucked .. bad |
| 15:10.44 | PitchforkLinux | thanks abrotman |
| 15:10.53 | jason_123 | hi - I have two network cards, and I'd like one of them to always be eth0 and the other always eth1 - is this possible? |
| 15:11.05 | petemc | jason_123: ifrename can handle that |
| 15:11.07 | abrotman | are they the same type ? |
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| 15:11.36 | jason_123 | no, one is pcmcia |
| 15:11.37 | abrotman | why is my bandwidth at home higher than at work? |
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| 15:11.41 | jason_123 | so it's not always in |
| 15:11.50 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I didnt watch em get pahnded |
| 15:12.05 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Google for abrotman, look at the 8th link. |
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| 15:12.15 | abrotman | nvz: it was at least possible until ben threw the 342nd interception |
| 15:12.16 | jason_123 | petemc: is there any other way to do it besides ifrename? |
| 15:12.26 | petemc | jason_123: why? whats wrong with ifrename? |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: oh .. thank you .. you're so wonderful :) |
| 15:12.45 | Jesper_DK | hi - I updated Gaim and afterwards alot of my programs segfaults - im using sarge - any ideas ?? |
| 15:13.00 | nvz | abrotman: heh, yeah in the early 4th when it was still 31 - 20 |
| 15:13.01 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: eee gad .. look at the third? |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: that one is better :) |
| 15:13.44 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Is that peterS? |
| 15:13.50 | nvz | looks like its Philly and New England this year.. |
| 15:14.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: no .. it's pete .. sometimes psuedobot or p-dot here |
| 15:14.13 | abrotman | i think he's in -amd64 |
| 15:14.31 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: that guy is canadian |
| 15:14.39 | nvz | could have been Philly vs Picksburgh, if they played like they done it once before in their lives |
| 15:14.42 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Did you already know about that site? |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: yes .. seul.org is a group that hosts projects of various types .. like pygame etc |
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| 15:15.28 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I mean, about your mentions on it (there are more)? |
| 15:15.47 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: check the poll on the right side(and don't vote for me) |
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| 15:17.05 | jason_123 | petemc, is there some standard way to assign certain network devices to certain eth's? ifrename feels like kind of a hack |
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| 15:17.19 | abrotman | jason_123: you can load a certain one first |
| 15:17.36 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you voted for me didn't you? |
| 15:17.49 | nvz | I think interfaces has a way of doing it via mac |
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| 15:18.22 | Nwallins | I am having trouble building kernel modules for linux-wlan-ng. the build-modules script starts to have problems here: /usr/src/modules/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0+0.2.1pre21/src/p80211/p80211conv.c: In function `skb_p80211_to_ether': |
| 15:18.24 | Nwallins | /usr/src/modules/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0+0.2.1pre21/src/p80211/p80211conv.c:502: error: union has no member named `ethernet' |
| 15:18.35 | abrotman | ask them |
| 15:18.37 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I'm not even slightly interested. |
| 15:18.39 | abrotman | or #kernel |
| 15:18.43 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: someone just did |
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| 15:19.02 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: You just said it in a channel with 750 people in.. |
| 15:19.10 | ricky_clarkson | fsvo people |
| 15:19.19 | Nwallins | abrotman: i am following the README.debian that came with the linux-wlan-ng package (if you're addressing me) |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: anyways .. seul.org is interesting .. smart people .. one of them does gEDA(in debian) .. weasel packages tor afaik |
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| 15:19.46 | abrotman | Nwallins: i was .. sounds like the source is broken .. check bts? |
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| 15:20.17 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: and i'mm still blaming you (and sending you a free copy) if i win |
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| 15:20.36 | nvz | sbgodin.dyndns.org has the worst bzflag level I've seen yet |
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| 15:20.45 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: there is an "abrotman II" blog entry |
| 15:21.13 | scirkuit | hi, i just installed debian from the D-I cd. so i'm running gnome 2.8 and a 2.6 kernel. everything works, except for sound. |
| 15:21.18 | nvz | I need to check the project website.. people must be using a newer version or something.. I am noticing the traffic on the servers dropping significantly |
| 15:21.34 | scirkuit | it looks like both of my soundcards were recognized and the modules loaded |
| 15:21.48 | scirkuit | but it seems to be defaulting to the wrong sound card, how do i change this? |
| 15:22.23 | jhawk | abrotman run alsamixer set sound |
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| 15:22.33 | abrotman | jhawk: why? |
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| 15:22.43 | Nwallins | is there any straightforward way to get a USB wireless adapter working with any version of debian? (i have tried 2.4 w/ zd1201, linux-wlan-ng and 2.6 w/ zd1201 and linux-wlan-ng) |
| 15:22.45 | jhawk | muted to start |
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| 15:22.56 | abrotman | jhawk: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 15:22.59 | cahoot | scirkuit: on is onboard? |
| 15:23.18 | nvz | abrotman: neither does he |
| 15:23.18 | cahoot | scirkuit: one |
| 15:23.18 | abrotman | apparently |
| 15:23.18 | scirkuit | cahoot, exactly |
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| 15:23.39 | nvz | jhawk: go actually read the question and who said it. their sound is not muted, because they indicated it works |
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| 15:23.59 | cahoot | scirkuit: in my experience the onboard will keep being card0 |
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| 15:24.30 | jhawk | sorry lost in background color |
| 15:24.38 | scirkuit | cahoot, and you can't set it to use card1 as default? |
| 15:25.13 | cahoot | scirkuit: I didn't nage to - if you not really have use for two cards the simplest is to diable the onboard |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | jhawk: no more lsd |
| 15:25.16 | rsalazar | what is the command line way to send commands to a serial modem? |
| 15:25.25 | abrotman | minicom |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | or kermit |
| 15:25.49 | heiyou | hello,everyone.this is my first |
| 15:25.57 | scirkuit | cahoot, of course... there's probably a bios option... i just didn't think |
| 15:25.58 | scirkuit | thanks |
| 15:26.00 | rsalazar | abrotman: minicom is not working for me, gonna try that kernit |
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| 15:26.05 | abrotman | kermit |
| 15:26.35 | topa_ | kermit is a protocol right? |
| 15:27.08 | topa_ | rsalazar: also check out XMODEM and YMODEM |
| 15:27.13 | petemc | also a frog from the muppets |
| 15:27.27 | topa_ | all protocols for serial port based comm |
| 15:27.33 | abrotman | !info gkermit |
| 15:27.35 | dpkg | gkermit: (A serial and network communications package), section comm, is optional. Version: 1.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 15:27.56 | rsalazar | abrotman: yeah, kermit, like the frog... it was a typo (-; |
| 15:28.01 | rsalazar | topa_: thanks |
| 15:28.10 | abrotman | there is gkermit and ckermit iirc |
| 15:28.24 | J_P | what software i can use to resize my ext2 parttion ? i have 1GB and like resize to 200mb... what is better software for this ? |
| 15:28.41 | topa_ | rsalazar: XMODEM and YMODEM are raw protocols |
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| 15:30.57 | tolle | In sarge, what more is needed to get ipmasquerading to work other then to set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1, and run iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE ? |
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| 15:31.28 | BR_ | tolle:setting up the clients ? |
| 15:31.30 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 15:31.31 | dpkg | IP masquerading allows several machines to share one Internet connection. Learn about it at http://jgo.local.net/LinuxGuide/linux-ip-masq.html or don't mix the slink ipmasq deb and a 2.2.x kernel, or available at ipmasq.cjb.net, or ipmasq package is evil, before coming here to ask help with unexpected network problems, first remove it! See also: masq |
| 15:31.50 | SpeS | hi, I'm trying to run Ardour, but it says it can't connect to JACK... how can I check it's running OK ?? |
| 15:31.55 | petemc | tolle: that should be sufficient, provided you have everything you need in the kernel |
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| 15:32.30 | tolle | BR_: Well, they are, but i still cant even ping the routers external interface. |
| 15:32.38 | tolle | BR_: But I can ping the internal one.. |
| 15:32.44 | proycon | I've got a dumb question: some packages provide configurations options at install time, how do I retrigger those later? |
| 15:32.51 | resiak | proycon: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:32.57 | proycon | thanks :) |
| 15:33.01 | rsalazar | topa_: how can i just send a simple atz from the command line to /dev/ttyS0? |
| 15:33.27 | tolle | petemc: not to much more is required other then ipt_MASQUERADE ? |
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| 15:33.38 | cahoot | SpeS: pgrep jack? |
| 15:34.02 | Jesper_DK | hi - I updated Gaim with apt and afterwards alot of my programs segfaults - im using sarge - any ideas ?? |
| 15:34.22 | SpeS | let's see.. |
| 15:35.05 | SpeS | cahoot so jack is shown as a process then... ?¿ |
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| 15:35.33 | cahoot | SpeS: pgrep would return a PID |
| 15:35.37 | Skiver | what command can disply how many hdd i have ? |
| 15:35.42 | petemc | tolle: and the basic iptables stuff, there are thousands of how to's on the net, also, i specify a source range to masquerade for; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/16 -j MASQUERADE |
| 15:35.46 | SlayerXP | Skiver: dmesg |
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| 15:36.26 | Iconsumed | is there a cd burning tool for sarge? (other than nautilus, I can't get it to burn audio cds) |
| 15:36.37 | debian | !k3b |
| 15:36.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or k3b.sf.net |
| 15:36.38 | directhex|work | Iconsumed, k3b ? |
| 15:36.45 | SpeS | cahoot but I have no proccess with that name |
| 15:36.46 | Iconsumed | really? |
| 15:36.48 | proycon | Does anybody happen to know what the default password for the user "cyrus" is on sarge? I have no idea how to get in with cyradm :/ |
| 15:36.49 | SlayerXP | Iconsumed: cdrecord |
| 15:36.51 | PitchforkLinux | abrotman thanks... that worked. |
| 15:36.52 | directhex|work | dpkg, k3b is also 'teh uber'! |
| 15:36.52 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
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| 15:36.57 | qp | xcdroast |
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| 15:37.02 | abrotman | PitchforkLinux: i know it did :) |
| 15:37.06 | Nwallins | proycon: passwd cyrus |
| 15:37.08 | Nwallins | as root |
| 15:37.12 | Iconsumed | ok, apt-get didn't find k3b and it wasn't installed automaticly |
| 15:37.15 | proycon | Nwallins: ah.. thanks |
| 15:37.17 | SlayerXP | proycon: you have to set it yourself using saslpasswd2 |
| 15:37.19 | proycon | I thought I tried that though |
| 15:37.28 | proycon | ah: saslpasswd2, I didnt try that yet |
| 15:37.54 | SlayerXP | (assuming you're using saslauth) |
| 15:38.02 | PitchforkLinux | abrotman. When I upgraded to testing from woody, I lost all of my kde stuff. I want to get all of that back. what is the simplist way to get that all back? |
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| 15:38.10 | proycon | yeah.. I want to use that |
| 15:38.15 | ricky_clarkson | PitchforkLinux: apt-get install kde |
| 15:38.33 | debian | !info k3b sarge |
| 15:38.36 | dpkg | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.11.18-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2231 kB, Installed size: 4353 kB |
| 15:38.38 | debian | Iconsumed: it's there |
| 15:38.40 | debian | ^^ |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | PitchforkLinux: apt-get install kde |
| 15:38.48 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 15:38.48 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 15:39.34 | Iconsumed | ok |
| 15:39.36 | Skiver | SlayerXP : dmesg's output is too long, is there a way for me just to see the hdd part |
| 15:39.49 | SlayerXP | Skiver: man grep |
| 15:39.54 | scirkuit | ok, i couldn't disable my sound card, and i've turned everything on with alsamixer... still no sound |
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| 15:40.20 | tolle | petemc: it was just the classical thing... a regular typo that caused it. |
| 15:40.23 | cahoot | scirkuit: alsamixer -c1 (for card1) |
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| 15:40.42 | Jesper_DK | Where do i go to report an error in the apt - sarge - packages ? |
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| 15:41.01 | nvz | !tell Jesper_DK -about bts |
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| 15:41.16 | Iconsumed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.16 | Iconsumed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.16 | Iconsumed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.16 | Iconsumed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.36 | abrotman | read the damn topic Iconsumed |
| 15:41.43 | PitchforkLinux | abrotman. how do I check and or install any files that are missing from my upgrade to sarge? |
| 15:41.44 | davis | is there a way to disable tftp from responding to all requests on all interfaces? i want tftpd to respond to eth1 only. |
| 15:41.53 | scirkuit | cahoot, ok so it seems c1 is my usb headset, and it has actually only loaded modules for my primary card as c0 |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | PitchforkLinux: well .. you'd have to know what they are to know they are missing eh? |
| 15:42.00 | Iconsumed | hey ok |
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| 15:42.06 | nvz | !info bzflag |
| 15:42.08 | dpkg | bzflag: (a 3D first person tank battle game), section games, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.20050118 (sid), Packaged size: 7649 kB, Installed size: 10160 kB |
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| 15:42.13 | Iconsumed | but k3b isn't working... |
| 15:42.13 | abrotman | !tell PitchforkLinux about search |
| 15:42.13 | nvz | !info bzflag sarge |
| 15:42.16 | dpkg | bzflag: (a 3D first person tank battle game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.10.6.20040516 (sarge), Packaged size: 3477 kB, Installed size: 5364 kB |
| 15:42.16 | Nwallins | smell the burrito Iconsumed <joke> |
| 15:42.23 | abrotman | whta does k3b have to do with gnome? |
| 15:42.29 | nvz | oh well, the new version is in sid anyhow |
| 15:42.35 | cahoot | scirkuit: modprobe snd-usb-audio |
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| 15:43.34 | botox | i am having a small weird problem with alsa. im running a custom 2.6.8 kernel with a few numbers append-to-versioned. now, when i go to make-kpkg modules-image for also modules, i get a mismatch, how can i override this? |
| 15:43.35 | PitchforkLinux | there isn't an apt command for installing missing stuff etc? |
| 15:43.42 | directhex|work | Iconsumed, paste the contents of /etc/apt/* into #flood |
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| 15:44.03 | directhex|work | !tell botox about m-a |
| 15:44.11 | cahoot | scirkuit: but if you have a card1 (headset) usb-audio must have been loaded already |
| 15:44.21 | streuner__ | PitchforkLinux: apt-get -f install? |
| 15:44.33 | nvz | well I was right.. bzflag 2.0 is out.. thats why I cant find many people to play with anymore |
| 15:44.33 | scirkuit | cahoot, yeah, the modprobe did nothing... |
| 15:44.43 | botox | directhex: apt hasnt told me enough, do you have a wiki link? |
| 15:44.44 | directhex|work | !info bzflag sid |
| 15:44.46 | dpkg | bzflag: (a 3D first person tank battle game), section games, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.20050118 (sid), Packaged size: 7649 kB, Installed size: 10160 kB |
| 15:44.56 | buht-work | has anyone installed debian on an HP netraid SCSI controller? i am searching all over google and finding spanish posts hehe |
| 15:45.34 | directhex|work | nvz, echo 'APT::Default-Release "sarge";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, add sid sources, apt-get update, apt-get install -t unstable bzflag |
| 15:45.53 | debian | buht-work: I found more helps on debian from japanese, russian and chinese than english osts |
| 15:45.54 | buht-work | reason i ask, debian netinst isnt seeing the array and i need to find a module or some drivers |
| 15:46.04 | buht-work | debian heh |
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| 15:46.16 | nvz | directhex|work: you make it sound so pristine |
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| 15:46.35 | debian | buht-work: for raid like this |
| 15:46.38 | directhex|work | nvz, well, yeah, there's a reason for that |
| 15:46.43 | debian | buht-work: you need proprietary drivers |
| 15:47.06 | nvz | oh well.. its worth a shot.. it would be kickass if joystick works |
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| 15:47.22 | buht-work | debian, hrm well im looking for them,. hopefully ones that support the logial ARRAY and not simply a single HDD on it |
| 15:47.58 | debian | buht-work: when encounter difficulties as such |
| 15:48.13 | debian | buht-work: I'd just kick in a plain recognizable hd |
| 15:48.24 | debian | buht-work: install, then find the drivers it needs |
| 15:48.35 | debian | buht-work: install debian on raid in chroot |
| 15:48.49 | debian | buht-work: change the /boot, blah blah blah you're there |
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| 15:49.04 | debian | buht-work: you still follow me? |
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| 15:49.34 | buht-work | debian, hmmm... what a pain in the ass :) why not just find the drivers it needs and boot then install on the raid? or do you think the drivers would be easier to find once installed on an ide hdd? |
| 15:50.16 | debian | buht-work: it's up to you. you still need to make a boot disk that has proprietary driver |
| 15:50.26 | nvz | directhex|work: do you know if I should or have to remove my bzflag package, or will it just upgrade it? |
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| 15:50.48 | buht-work | debian, damn :) |
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| 15:51.06 | debian | buht-work: waste a piece of plastic, or just plug in a hd for your installation and remove it later... |
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| 15:51.21 | skel | what file system check do you use when using ext3? is it still just fsck? or is there something else? |
| 15:51.28 | directhex|work | nvz, it will just upgrade it. |
| 15:51.55 | debian | skel: fsck.ext3 |
| 15:52.03 | samuel | hello all |
| 15:52.13 | skel | debian: ty |
| 15:52.31 | debian | skel: np |
| 15:52.38 | nvz | yay, its getting sdl libs.. thats a sign js might be added |
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| 15:52.54 | directhex|work | Iconsumed, what the fuck kind of sources.list is that? i though you were running sarge |
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| 15:53.12 | debian | directhex|work: it might be just cdrom// :)_ |
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| 15:54.23 | directhex|work | debian, woody main entry, plus some random fuckknowswhatitis source for some random sarge k3b package |
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| 15:55.07 | einsteinmg | hmm.... apt-proxy can't write to /var/cache/apt-proxy/.apt-proxy |
| 15:55.45 | einsteinmg | /var/cache/apt-proxy/.apt-proxy is root:root |
| 15:55.57 | einsteinmg | and apt-proxy runs under aptproxy:nobody |
| 15:56.06 | nvz | man I havent even started playing yet and I can already tell bzflag 2.0 kicks arse |
| 15:56.07 | einsteinmg | bug in the install scripts? |
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| 15:57.03 | debian | real man uses arrow keys |
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| 15:57.28 | ricky_clarkson | Real man hunts real zombies |
| 15:57.58 | ricky_clarkson | einsteinmg: df |
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| 15:58.23 | einsteinmg | ricky_clarkson: df ? |
| 15:58.37 | einsteinmg | # df . |
| 15:58.37 | einsteinmg | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:58.37 | einsteinmg | /dev/md0 1.9G 902M 879M 51% / |
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| 15:59.22 | ricky_clarkson | einsteinmg: Worth a shot. |
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| 15:59.36 | einsteinmg | ricky_clarkson: what do you mean? |
| 15:59.47 | einsteinmg | the apt-proxy log is full of messages permission denied |
| 15:59.48 | ricky_clarkson | einsteinmg: It was worth finding out whether the partition was full. |
| 16:00.04 | ricky_clarkson | Does apt-proxy run as root? |
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| 16:00.15 | einsteinmg | chown aptproxy -R /var/cache/apt-proxy/.apt-proxy does it |
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| 16:00.26 | ricky_clarkson | Yay. |
| 16:00.30 | einsteinmg | ricky_clarkson: no it's running aptproxy:nobody |
| 16:00.36 | debian | Yay. |
| 16:00.45 | ricky_clarkson | I am a fish. |
| 16:00.59 | Rawplayer | blub |
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| 16:01.29 | Rawplayer | are there people here who use sendmail without flaming and dont start to whine at me use qmail |
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| 16:01.52 | Rawplayer | *silence* |
| 16:01.55 | Rawplayer | lo Floxxx |
| 16:01.56 | Rawplayer | limbo |
| 16:01.57 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 16:01.58 | bpence | hey all, I can't seem to get the rtl8139 module to load for my D-Link DFE-530TX PCI Network Adapter. I keep getting device busy or something something... it worked under 2.2.20, and I did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18tsc and now I can't get the mod to load under either kernel. any help? |
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| 16:02.27 | ricky_clarkson | Rawplayer: Use exim. |
| 16:02.34 | dvs | bpence: try 8139too |
| 16:02.46 | bpence | dvs: where can I get that? |
| 16:02.48 | bpence | just google it? |
| 16:03.02 | dvs | bpence: if you have rtl8139, you have 8139too |
| 16:03.05 | ricky_clarkson | bpence: It's in your kernel modules. |
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| 16:03.15 | ricky_clarkson | bpence: modprobe or modconf |
| 16:03.24 | srid | any recommendation for simple docbook to html/pdf converter tool? |
| 16:03.26 | usn | hi folx |
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| 16:03.55 | bpence | I'm almost certain I don't.. but let me check real quick |
| 16:04.57 | Floxxx | lo Rawplayer, mede limbo ;) |
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| 16:06.04 | shootme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:06.11 | debian | !shoot shootme |
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| 16:06.17 | NP_complete | hi again |
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| 16:06.35 | bpence | well holy sh*t. thanks.. I really didn't think I had that.. |
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| 16:06.40 | NP_complete | I inserted Ext3 on my kernel, but still kernel panic :( |
| 16:06.43 | bpence | it works like a champ. |
| 16:06.44 | dvs | bpence: no prob. |
| 16:06.52 | debian | NP_complete: as module? |
| 16:06.54 | NP_complete | no |
| 16:06.58 | shootme | damn that hurts |
| 16:07.01 | NP_complete | inside |
| 16:07.07 | npx | NP_complete are you specifying the correct root partition? |
| 16:07.23 | bpence | ok, now for the real question at hand now.. can I FIPS an NTFS partition? and how well does debian work on laptops? |
| 16:07.35 | npx | FIPS? |
| 16:07.39 | srid | any recommendation for simple docbook to html/pdf converter tool? |
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| 16:07.46 | NP_complete | yeah |
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| 16:08.11 | pipeline | NP_complete: Just give up and use an initrd. |
| 16:08.12 | bpence | that dos program to repartition a hdd without losing the data |
| 16:08.15 | npx | dunno then, something is wrong and from what you've said I can't deduce what it is |
| 16:08.17 | NP_complete | ok |
| 16:08.21 | alice_ | hmmm, I cant get my mouse and keyboard conntected via one usb to run. dmesg says it loadet an usb-hub and detected an usbfs( dont have something like that ). |
| 16:08.33 | NP_complete | when try to complie as initrd, it says: cramfs patch? |
| 16:08.33 | npx | You could /msg dpkg paste and paste the relevant config files |
| 16:08.37 | npx | and I might be able to help. |
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| 16:08.44 | NP_complete | where is that patch? how to apply it? |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | dan2: there? |
| 16:08.58 | caphuso | bpence: fips is fat only |
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| 16:09.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 765] by debhelper |
| 16:09.30 | nvz | why does my js driver have to suddenly not work when I need to use it |
| 16:09.33 | Rawplayer | Floxxx: zit je op hszuyd? |
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| 16:09.43 | bpence | caphuso: is there a way to repartition an NTFS partition without losing it? |
| 16:09.44 | caphuso | nvz: go find that murphy guy and beat him up |
| 16:09.45 | vitriol | is there a stripped down version of the debian new maintainers guide? |
| 16:09.50 | Floxxx | Rawplayer: ja |
| 16:09.57 | Rawplayer | welke opleiding? |
| 16:09.59 | nvz | caphuso: heh. |
| 16:10.00 | Floxxx | ICT |
| 16:10.01 | caphuso | bpence: probably |
| 16:10.05 | Rawplayer | welke richting? |
| 16:10.10 | NP_complete | Do i realy need to patch kernel sources, to make a initrd image? |
| 16:10.13 | Floxxx | kHBO netwerken |
| 16:10.16 | nvz | the sidewinder module loads, but I'dmuch rather use the Sony PS Controller |
| 16:10.19 | Rawplayer | hoeveelste jaar?:P |
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| 16:10.21 | Floxxx | 2e |
| 16:10.23 | Floxxx | jij? |
| 16:10.24 | Rawplayer | ah ok |
| 16:10.24 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 16:10.27 | Rawplayer | ik eerste |
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| 16:10.29 | Floxxx | ahh |
| 16:10.32 | Floxxx | ook ICT? |
| 16:10.33 | nvz | the MS joysticks suck.. |
| 16:10.34 | chealer | bpence: AFAIK only partitionmagic can resize NTFS |
| 16:10.36 | Rawplayer | yup |
| 16:10.36 | Rawplayer | nid |
| 16:10.38 | Floxxx | hehe |
| 16:10.48 | Floxxx | java's a bitch? |
| 16:10.48 | npx | No, there is the ntfsresize util |
| 16:10.53 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 16:10.54 | Rawplayer | ja |
| 16:10.55 | Rawplayer | ;p |
| 16:11.03 | Floxxx | hehe |
| 16:11.04 | npx | it comes in the 'ntfsprogs' package I think, or 'ntfstools' something like that |
| 16:11.04 | dampjam | I installed debian but when a large number (~35 people) try to ssh into the computer, it says that a limit has been reached. How do I increase this limit? |
| 16:11.05 | Floxxx | heb ik niet gehad |
| 16:11.07 | npx | works pretty well |
| 16:11.09 | nvz | oh well I want to play bzflag, not fix my kernel, so I guess I will use the sidewinder for now |
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| 16:11.12 | Rawplayer | ben maar blij :) |
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| 16:11.19 | Rawplayer | ik heb het nog niet gehaald |
| 16:11.19 | Floxxx | ik heb nog pascal gehad |
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| 16:11.24 | Rawplayer | maar goed het lukt nu wel beter |
| 16:11.29 | WiFiTuXs | Is someone using cgiirc? I keep getting a *** Access Denied: No connections allowed |
| 16:11.34 | Rawplayer | als je met bash bezig bent gaat java ook lukken |
| 16:11.40 | Floxxx | mja :p |
| 16:11.44 | tummyacid | what is the recomended way to get sound to work? i have maestro2 chipset a URL would be great thanks |
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| 16:11.51 | tummyacid | also using sarge |
| 16:11.51 | Rawplayer | ik heb bijna niks gehaald in het eerste half jaar |
| 16:11.54 | streuner__ | Rawplayer: a convo in english is better..., my dutch is very poor. |
| 16:11.54 | Floxxx | hehe |
| 16:11.57 | dampjam | ich bein ein berliner |
| 16:12.05 | Floxxx | mja, ik moet ook nog 2 vakken inhalen van het eerste jaar :p |
| 16:12.07 | debian | !dutch |
| 16:12.07 | dpkg | somebody said dutch was soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 16:12.10 | bpence | npx: checking into that now.. thanks.. |
| 16:12.16 | Floxxx | sry |
| 16:12.16 | Rawplayer | streuner__ :( |
| 16:12.25 | Rawplayer | wir konten auch deutsch reden |
| 16:12.30 | Rawplayer | kein problem |
| 16:12.30 | Floxxx | aber nein |
| 16:12.34 | Floxxx | kein deutsch |
| 16:12.37 | Rawplayer | hehe |
| 16:12.41 | Floxxx | bitte nicht :p |
| 16:12.46 | streuner__ | Rawplayer: we speak here english |
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| 16:12.54 | Rawplayer | k sorry |
| 16:12.55 | Rawplayer | i know |
| 16:13.05 | caphuso | even better: we enforce english here |
| 16:13.06 | Rawplayer | i was just talking with him about our school |
| 16:13.15 | Maulkin | !tell WiFiTuXs about someone |
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| 16:13.28 | bpence | So is debian pretty up to date with laptop hardware? |
| 16:13.29 | joedj | i installed stable, changed /etc/apt/sources.list to use unstable, apt-get updated and now i'm in dependancy hell...where did i go wrong? |
| 16:13.45 | WiFiTuXs | Maulkin: did you just barely received my irc message? I think this irssi is lagged. |
| 16:13.55 | caphuso | joedj: where you decided to upgrade to unstable |
| 16:13.56 | Floxxx | joedj: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:14.11 | Maulkin | WiFiTuXs: Got it at 16:11 my time |
| 16:14.18 | joedj | Floxxx: i do that, and get loads of conflicts |
| 16:14.22 | Floxxx | hmm |
| 16:14.31 | Floxxx | apt-get -f install ? |
| 16:14.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: pee on MP3 |
| 16:15.02 | tummyacid | what is the recomended way to get sound to work? i have maestro2 chipset using sarge. A URL would be wonderful |
| 16:15.10 | Maulkin | WiFiTuXs: More precicely, what are you trying to do when you get that error message? |
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| 16:15.30 | Maulkin | tummyacid: which kernel? |
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| 16:15.38 | tummyacid | 2.6.8 i belive |
| 16:15.40 | Floxxx | joedj: why unstable btw? |
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| 16:15.45 | Floxxx | why not sarge? |
| 16:15.49 | WiFiTuXs | Maulkin: wifitux.com/cgiirc and hit connect. |
| 16:15.57 | tummyacid | yes 2.6.8 |
| 16:16.15 | Maulkin | !tell tummyacid about alsa 2.6 |
| 16:16.30 | Mr_Smoke | hello guys |
| 16:16.38 | joedj | Floxxx: shrug, i run unstable on all the other machines here |
| 16:16.44 | Floxxx | hmm |
| 16:16.57 | WiFiTuXs | Maulkin: saw that? |
| 16:17.00 | tummyacid | ok ive done that already plus a few other modules that were suggested |
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| 16:17.09 | joedj | apt-get -f install does nothing |
| 16:17.09 | Maulkin | WiFiTuXs: paste your config file to www.pastebin.com, I'll have a look |
| 16:17.17 | tummyacid | i just dont quite know how to configure it? is it already configured? |
| 16:17.32 | WiFiTuXs | Maulkin: config file? there is really nothing to edit... |
| 16:17.43 | Maulkin | WiFiTuXs: Yes there is :) |
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| 16:18.01 | WiFiTuXs | Maulkin: /etc/cgiirc/cgirc.conf that one? OK... |
| 16:18.04 | dafresh_ | is webmin a good idea to manage a apache/php/mysql box ? |
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| 16:18.16 | streuner__ | no |
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| 16:18.30 | dafresh_ | streuner__: can u tell me why |
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| 16:18.58 | streuner__ | dafresh_: uhm, because you haven't all possibilities to configure the apps.? |
| 16:19.01 | WiFiTuXs | Maulkin: it won't let me open 2 putty's... Hold on... BRB |
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| 16:19.58 | chealer | dafresh_: webmin is never worth specialized apps. for example webmin-mysql is far from phpmyadmin |
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| 16:20.40 | Maulkin | tummyacid: what do you mean by "wont' work"? |
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| 16:23.34 | Mr_Smoke | Hi guys ... i'm trying to figure out how to change a SYSCTL setting *before* network is actually started... I know I could use a "pre" in /etc/network/interfaces, but then is it the only way ? |
| 16:23.42 | usuario_ | hola |
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| 16:25.15 | usuario_ | sabes hablar español "spanish" |
| 16:25.33 | nvz | well apperently gamecon is for some homerigged parallel port adapter.. not this RadioShack USB Playstation adapeter I have.. though I am still mad the Sidewinder driver works out there and not in here! same damn kernel |
| 16:25.35 | tummyacid | ok now it works i just had to run alsaconf please add that to the alsa entry if you can |
| 16:25.48 | curty | no se |
| 16:25.56 | nvz | googlin* |
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| 16:26.23 | cahoot | Mr_Smoke: how about sysctl.conf? |
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| 16:27.06 | RainbowW | is there a kernel Makefile switch that i can flip to make it use both processors on my smp box during the compile? (the running kernel is already smp, but when compiling, it seems to only use one) |
| 16:27.23 | FieldySnuts | RainbowW: use make -j3 whatever |
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| 16:28.08 | FieldySnuts | the general rule with make is -jN where N is number of cpus + 1 |
| 16:28.14 | Mr_Smoke | cahoot, that's read by procps.sh as far as I understand... but apparently only AFTER the network is up... |
| 16:28.14 | sussudio | in soviet russia, driver loads you |
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| 16:28.16 | liquidhex | Has anyone here ever used giFToxic? What do you put in for server? |
| 16:28.30 | FieldySnuts | giFT is a pain in the ass, run away |
| 16:28.34 | liquidhex | is it? |
| 16:28.37 | abonilla | Maulkin: ok http://pastebin.com/232867 |
| 16:28.44 | liquidhex | someone just reccomended it for p2p.. |
| 16:28.54 | sussudio | someone's an idiot |
| 16:28.54 | abrotman | liquidhex: #gift |
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| 16:29.05 | cahoot | Mr_Smoke: in my boot log it looks like network is set up later |
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| 16:29.44 | nvz | !yinzersmite sussudio |
| 16:30.06 | FieldySnuts | @lart giFT |
| 16:30.09 | debian | you don't have enought smite |
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| 16:30.24 | nvz | looks like I might have to make my own damn driver if I want to use this Playstation USB adapter |
| 16:30.31 | WiFiTux | Maulkin: saw it? |
| 16:30.36 | Mr_Smoke | cahoot, well, in my rc2.d for instance, there is nothing referring to network... so actually I'm not sure how/when network is started... and the boot says nothing about the network, which puzzles me even more |
| 16:30.47 | Maulkin | WiFiTux: ip_access_file = ipaccess <-- may be causing your problems |
| 16:31.00 | debian | nvz: so much for turning a PS2 into a bzflag game console. :) |
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| 16:31.36 | nvz | debian: no its a P4 1.8ghz.. got the RadioShack Playstation USB adapter |
| 16:31.39 | chealer | lol ravenbird |
| 16:31.51 | azreal | Mr_Smoke: networking is started from /etc/rcS.d |
| 16:31.52 | [Marvin] | does anyone here know if the latest stable CD image uses the new debian installer? |
| 16:32.01 | debian | @win chealer |
| 16:32.05 | ravenbird | Congratulations, chealer! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 16:32.13 | wrd | marvin: nope |
| 16:32.15 | chealer | wuhu! thanks again raven ;) |
| 16:32.22 | SlayerXP | [Marvin]: if it did, it wouldn't be stable. |
| 16:32.23 | wrd | debian-installer is sarge not woody |
| 16:32.32 | WiFiTux | Maulkin: I see. I saw that, but I have no restriction. |
| 16:32.33 | nvz | debian: I just upgraded to bzflag2.0 on here.. and none of my js will work. I got the same kernel out there on the PIII still has bzflag 1.10, and I plugged in the sidewinder and it claims it.. but in here the sidewinder driver doesnt claim it |
| 16:32.48 | debian | @insult chealer |
| 16:32.48 | chealer | [Marvin]: until sarge is stable, they won't |
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| 16:32.52 | Maulkin | WiFiTux: Well, what's in that file? |
| 16:32.54 | [Marvin] | curses. |
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| 16:33.03 | Mr_Smoke | azreal, well it doesn't make sense then... because procps.sh is started before network, still the sysctl have no effect on network |
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| 16:33.09 | nvz | the sidewinder would be alright because it has two actual triggers.. though its ergonomics are terrible |
| 16:33.14 | [Marvin] | hmm, then my file server will have to be unstable for a while I guess :p |
| 16:33.18 | WiFiTux | Maulkin: 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 16:33.32 | Maulkin | WiFiTux: Well, taht means you can only connect from that netblock. |
| 16:34.01 | chealer | [Marvin]: unless you really need security, you're probably better with sarge |
| 16:34.13 | kzar | which rc number is the right one for my script that loads the modules and things for my tv card? |
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| 16:34.49 | caphuso | kzar: use /etc/modules |
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| 16:35.01 | kzar | it doesnt just modprobe stuff caphuso |
| 16:35.07 | [Marvin] | chealer: well, the problem is that it runs on LVM-on-raid5...the new installer can handle it easily, and I think it would be a pain to try installing on it using the old one. |
| 16:35.34 | chealer | [Marvin]: sarge is testing. it uses d-i |
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| 16:35.37 | fugit_ | Trying to find a good howto for fibrechannel san inforamation. Checked google, but I think Im just having one of those days? |
| 16:35.42 | chealer | !tell [Marvin] about d-i |
| 16:35.42 | caphuso | kzar: use /etc/modules.conf (2.2/2.4 kernels) or /etc/modprobe.d/local (2.6 kernels) |
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| 16:36.47 | Darian | how can I mark a package so that apt-get won't upgrade it automatically? |
| 16:36.54 | caphuso | Darian: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:36.55 | chealer | [Marvin]: and sarge will be stable in a few months, unlike unstable |
| 16:37.12 | kzar | caphuso: Well I have written this whole script and it works so cant i just use the rc stuff? |
| 16:37.19 | Darian | caphuso: thanks |
| 16:37.24 | kzar | caphuso: I dont really understand the modules.conf stuff |
| 16:37.34 | caphuso | kzar: sure, if you prefer ad-hoc solutins all over the place |
| 16:37.47 | abrotman | there's a new -386 kernel in sarge .. but not -686 |
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| 16:38.12 | kzar | caphuso: its a terrible script anyway, doesn't make too much odds. Is rc5 the right one? |
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| 16:38.39 | caphuso | kzar: well, you don't understand both solutions, so why not spend the time learning the right one? |
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| 16:38.53 | azreal | kzar: debians init default is runlevel 2 |
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| 16:39.10 | pipeline | [Marvin]: Which installer can handle LVM on RAID-5? |
| 16:39.10 | caphuso | which might or might not be the right runlevel for his script |
| 16:39.20 | kzar | caphuso because I have written this script so that I dont need to install hotplug to get the firmware put into the drivers and I dont want to spend ages doing somthing different |
| 16:39.37 | kzar | its a total bodge but it works alot quicker and it does what i want |
| 16:39.57 | kzar | thanks il try rc2 |
| 16:40.13 | abrotman | kzar: use modconf to load the drivers .. your script to do the other stuff |
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| 16:41.13 | chealer | abrotman: what6 kernel are you talking about? |
| 16:41.15 | Skaag | does dpkg contain information about debian and network boot devices? |
| 16:41.21 | abrotman | chealer: 2.6.8 |
| 16:41.22 | Skaag | i just tried to query it with nbd.. |
| 16:41.39 | chealer | abrotman: and what's the new version :? |
| 16:41.50 | Mr_Smoke | azreal, i figured it out... doing a sysctl on ipv6 before the module was actually loaded ... sounds plausible that it would fail :/ |
| 16:42.04 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-386 |
| 16:42.06 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-386 sarge |
| 16:42.07 | kzar | abrotman: can i use modconf so doing modprobe dvb-stuff just runs my script? |
| 16:42.11 | abrotman | bah |
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| 16:42.29 | dvs | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 sarge |
| 16:42.39 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 16:42.43 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 13720 kB, Installed size: 41240 kB |
| 16:42.45 | abrotman | see |
| 16:42.46 | fugit_ | looking for a good faq or howto on fibre cards and mounting san drive. Anyone have a good linky? |
| 16:42.48 | Knight_Lord | pipeline d-i |
| 16:42.48 | dvs | ah ha! |
| 16:42.51 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 sarge |
| 16:42.54 | abrotman | but not for 686 |
| 16:42.54 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 15157 kB, Installed size: 44152 kB |
| 16:42.57 | abrotman | oh shit |
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| 16:43.04 | abrotman | wait .. why arne't my boxes installing it .. maybe no SMP? |
| 16:43.08 | dvs | liar! |
| 16:43.25 | abrotman | ok .. that's just odd |
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| 16:44.50 | jsn | Is there any signal I can send to debian/unstable's firefox to get it to maybe unstick itself? It won't refresh. kill -?? firefox-bin would save me some serious mental anguish, if it unhiccuped. |
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| 16:45.23 | chealer | AFAIK thre's still no new kernels for the SMP vulneraility in topic |
| 16:45.37 | abrotman | now i wonder if there's a reason it won't replace mine |
| 16:45.51 | chealer | abrotman: you got -11? |
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| 16:46.05 | abrotman | -10 |
| 16:46.14 | chealer | 11 introduced new abiname |
| 16:46.21 | abrotman | hmmm .. maybe that's why |
| 16:46.26 | chealer | most likely |
| 16:46.26 | abrotman | bah .. i'll install -2 :) |
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| 16:47.08 | abrotman | what's the worst that happens .. server explodes |
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| 16:49.34 | allefant | are there any known problems with kernel-source-2.6.10 and nvidia-kernel-source? i can't start X11 with the 2.6.10 kernel |
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| 16:50.45 | bluefox83 | where do i find a system log of when and why my system has rebooted? |
| 16:51.07 | Gathond | bluefox83: probably /var/log/syslog |
| 16:51.11 | bluefox83 | ty |
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| 16:51.50 | Skaag | damn dotdeb.org is down :-| |
| 16:51.58 | Skaag | or at least packages.dotdeb.com |
| 16:52.01 | Skaag | .org i mean |
| 16:52.03 | pipeline | Knight_Lord, [Marvin]: What version of d-i? RC2 would not allow you to combine the two for the root filesystem. |
| 16:52.05 | abrotman | allefant: #nvidia |
| 16:52.21 | abrotman | bluefox83: syslog .. maybe ... look at watchdog stuff |
| 16:52.21 | allefant | abrotman: thnx, going there.. |
| 16:52.24 | abrotman | !watchdog |
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| 16:52.28 | abrotman | !guarddog |
| 16:53.25 | Skaag | anyone here managed to boot and run debian over NBD? |
| 16:53.38 | [Marvin] | pipeline: I believe I used rc2 for my installation...anyway, it was a snapshot from the 4th december. |
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| 16:54.16 | bluefox83 | abrotman, my syslog is huge! how do i get the results of the last 2 days? |
| 16:54.25 | abrotman | bluefox83: rotate your logs :) |
| 16:54.39 | hool | hm.. where didja loacte the setupscript for Xfree86 now again? |
| 16:54.39 | bluefox83 | abrotman, ..say what O.o |
| 16:54.40 | abrotman | bluefox83: jump to the last two days ... or start at the bottom and go up |
| 16:54.46 | abrotman | !logrotate |
| 16:54.46 | dpkg | i heard logrotate is a log rotation program that sings |
| 16:54.50 | kzar | hey rc2 worked, thanks :D |
| 16:54.57 | abrotman | logrotate is a good thing |
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| 16:55.16 | Knight_Lord | bluefox83 grep Jan 24 might also work |
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| 16:55.42 | MikkerJon | anyone know how to disable dhcp client? and how to setup a static ip for debian? |
| 16:55.52 | Knight_Lord | MikkerJon man interfaces |
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| 16:55.55 | kzar | yep edit /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 16:56.04 | kzar | network* |
| 16:56.07 | MikkerJon | sweet, thanks |
| 16:56.15 | rafx | i've never seen /etc/hosts done this way: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap9sec95.html are there benefits to having the fqdn also listed as an alias for 127.0.0.1? given the author, will doing this give better performance or security? |
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| 16:57.21 | Knight_Lord | rafx completely optional |
| 16:57.32 | Knight_Lord | rafx just saves you one DNS query |
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| 16:57.53 | WiFiTux | Maulkin, ok, I # the line and worked. |
| 16:58.31 | mark_sweep | is dh_installinfo broken in Sid? |
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| 16:58.56 | MikkerJon | kzar, what do i need to add to give the host a static ip |
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| 16:59.21 | kzar | hang on mikker, il open it up |
| 16:59.31 | Knight_Lord | MikkerJon man interfaces has an example |
| 16:59.31 | bluefox83 | would simply deleting that syslog hurt anything? i'd like to start fresh >.> |
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| 16:59.43 | bluefox83 | so i don't have 5000000000000000000000 entries |
| 16:59.45 | kzar | iface eth0 inet static |
| 16:59.45 | kzar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.45 | kzar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.45 | kzar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.04 | MikkerJon | thanks again kzar |
| 17:00.08 | kzar | np |
| 17:00.16 | Hutsebaut | kzar: paste again |
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| 17:00.36 | kzar | Hutsebaut: I'm not (that) stupid |
| 17:00.36 | rafx | thanks |
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| 17:00.50 | Hutsebaut | why not |
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| 17:01.30 | kzar | I don't know how peoples inteligence is defined so I don't know |
| 17:01.36 | kzar | however that is all spelt |
| 17:02.05 | bluefox83 | holly crap i have a lot of logs O.O |
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| 17:02.20 | Hutsebaut | go release them |
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| 17:02.46 | bluefox83 | how do i "release" logs? |
| 17:02.59 | Hutsebaut | go to the toilet and push |
| 17:03.03 | cham | msg dpkg |
| 17:03.06 | Rubin | upgrading to mysql-server 4.0.23-1 (testing) seems to have resulted in the loss of all my databases |
| 17:03.21 | Knight_Lord | bluefox83 echo "" > log is ok i thin |
| 17:03.24 | bluefox83 | for some reason, when i walk away from my computer it thinks it's time to reboot.. |
| 17:03.44 | kzar | bluefox83: overheating maybe? |
| 17:03.49 | bluefox83 | not possible |
| 17:03.52 | Knight_Lord | i have a computer which is locking up for no apparent reason |
| 17:03.56 | bluefox83 | it hasn't got over 123F |
| 17:04.10 | bluefox83 | and the shutdown temp is 185 |
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| 17:05.07 | bluefox83 | i did switch the fan cables around so it would suck the heat out of the proc and bring in fresh air, it's keeping the temp lower..but it was still not going past 126 |
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| 17:05.33 | kzar | dont know then, could just be power cuts? I didnt relise how often we get power cuts untill I had a pc on all the time |
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| 17:05.47 | bluefox83 | my other pc never had problems with it |
| 17:06.01 | bluefox83 | besides, i have the bios set to stay shut off if it loses power, it's rebootingh |
| 17:06.02 | lee | does anybody around own a fingerworks touchstream lp keyboard? I can't figure out why on earth it doens't type on my machine (mousing is fine, plugging it in shows that it's recognised as a keyboard too, but it's just not typing, showkey run from a console doesn't show anything, I'm out of ideas) |
| 17:06.04 | bluefox83 | *rebooting |
| 17:06.25 | kzar | Well I have no idea bluefox :o |
| 17:06.53 | bluefox83 | i'm going to be pissed if i was sold a faulty motherboard or proc >.> |
| 17:07.00 | zno | is there a way to get woody on ISO with the latest 2.4.x kernel? |
| 17:07.19 | bluefox83 | zno, check the debian website, i'm sure it's on there someplace |
| 17:07.20 | Knight_Lord | zno it comes with 2.4 by default |
| 17:07.33 | Knight_Lord | zno just boot with bf2.4 or something |
| 17:07.38 | kzar | bf24 |
| 17:07.45 | Knight_Lord | there you go |
| 17:08.03 | Phated | But, it's not the -latest- kernel. |
| 17:08.28 | Knight_Lord | Phated fair enough |
| 17:08.32 | zno | I tried the default woody install and the kernel was old, my nic driver was not available |
| 17:08.46 | zno | i'll try the bf24 |
| 17:08.55 | petemc | zno: yes, woody is quite old, sarge is a safer bet for newer hardware |
| 17:09.00 | Phated | zno: With bf24, you'll get a 2.4.18 kernel. |
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| 17:09.10 | Phated | Knight_Lord: :) |
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| 17:09.19 | kzar | zno: it might just not have been probed, my one isnt probed by defualt but does work fine if I probe it |
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| 17:09.22 | zno | is sarge safe for production use? |
| 17:09.31 | zno | kzar: I tried probing |
| 17:09.36 | kzar | ok fair enough |
| 17:09.39 | Knight_Lord | zno safe enough for me to run 2 4TB servers |
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| 17:09.46 | idnar | zno: no, you'll need to wear a condom to practice Safe Debian |
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| 17:10.12 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 17:10.25 | zno | I'm kinda new to the debian world, would you say that most people use sarge out there in production? |
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| 17:11.16 | nvz | zno: sarge is partially frozen, depending on what you do you could probably manage with sarge. though if its a production server you should be using stable |
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| 17:11.43 | Knight_Lord | zno that's rather difficult to access. If woody or even potato works for them they might be running. People usually use what works. For me sarge works |
| 17:11.47 | bluefox83 | what exactly is a production server? |
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| 17:12.05 | Knight_Lord | bluefox83 a nice buzword |
| 17:12.06 | kzar | zno: I use stable with backports for my email server and unstable for things I don't care about. Its up to you but if I was installing a pc for a company or somthing I would choose stable incase somthing went wrong and I got some stick for it |
| 17:12.08 | fatal__ | zno: I'd guess people setting up _new_ production machines uses Sarge now... but I doubt many has converted their production machines from woody to sarge yet. |
| 17:12.21 | petemc | nvz: thats a double edged sword, anyone who thinks they can install woody and then sit back and leave security updates to the debian security team is deluded, security is something everyone should be aware of |
| 17:12.42 | nvz | zno: in a distro thats not completly frozen and stable, things can be changed. In a frozen distro like woody, only changes would be security fixes. |
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| 17:13.19 | zno | all good info thanks |
| 17:13.34 | nvz | petemc: no kidding security is an idea at best, and we all know some peoples ideas die of loneliness |
| 17:13.37 | zno | probably going with sarge |
| 17:14.26 | nvz | !yinzersmite petemc |
| 17:14.32 | bluefox83 | i use testing :P |
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| 17:15.17 | paulswm | nvz:"yinzersmite"? heh |
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| 17:15.36 | bluefox83 | send it to me nvz ^_^ |
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| 17:15.40 | nvz | paulswm: yep, thats the Picksburg smite |
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| 17:16.29 | cmartine | how does one set XF86OpenSerial ? XFree86 keeps giving me a "No input device Mouse0" |
| 17:16.36 | nvz | paulswm: it chooses one of 4 possible yinzer smites so far.. I have to try and remember life in Picksburgh to make some more.. I havent really been there in like 2 years or more |
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| 17:17.09 | paulswm | nvz: running putty using ssh from work through proxy to home box and thence to irssi-text, not impressed with irssi-text so far, kind of ugly and confusing, but perhaps it's putty or I'm missing some settings |
| 17:17.12 | sussudio | !badgersmite nvz |
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| 17:17.49 | Phated | paulswm: To make it look better, you can use a different theme. The default is at least semi-ugly. |
| 17:17.49 | cmartine | I ran XFree86 -configure and got an output but nopointer |
| 17:19.00 | bluefox83 | can you folks think of any acpi program that might cause my system to reboot when it's left alone? |
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| 17:19.17 | paulswm | Phated: will try, right now I'm off to get 2 x 160GB drives and a pcmcia ethernet card, heh |
| 17:19.42 | Phated | paulswm: *narrows eyes* And I was going to offer to send you the theme I used too. |
| 17:19.50 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 17:19.56 | nvz | my smite is cultural, amuzing, and a smite in true yinzer fashion |
| 17:20.11 | paulswm | Phated: see ya later alligator |
| 17:20.14 | nvz | the rest are just 2nd rate.. I set the new standard of smites |
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| 17:20.20 | Phated | paulswm: Have fun. :) |
| 17:20.22 | toresbe | What's a nice and user-friendly (user can (un)mount) cdrom fstab line |
| 17:20.26 | pipeline | paulswm: Heh, it's probably irssi, then. Putty's terminal emulation is surprisingly good. |
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| 17:22.24 | Phated | toresbe: Include the word "user" in the parameter bit. Probably something like /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 17:22.55 | botox | hi im trying to compile the alsa modules and install then. when i make_kpkg modules-image, i getThe changelog says we are creating 2.6.8.250105, but I thought the version is 2.6.8 |
| 17:22.56 | botox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.59 | toresbe | Phated: It said something about bad fstab when I did that, yo |
| 17:23.01 | botox | any ideas? |
| 17:23.06 | botox | how do i bypass the changelog? |
| 17:23.12 | Phated | toresbe: No way. I use that and it's fine. |
| 17:23.20 | Phated | toresbe: Well, ro,user,noauto. |
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| 17:23.27 | cmartine | anyone know how to create a character mouse? |
| 17:23.34 | cmartine | a /dev/mouse? |
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| 17:23.48 | cyzie | I have dual boot problem. I have 4 hdds. 2 pata hdd and 2 sata hdd. sata1 have windows xp on it. sata2 have debian. when my bios setting is changed to hdd0 and I installed debian, I have no problem getting grub boot loader and boot into debian but I cant boot into windows. It said ntldr is missing. However if I changed the primary boot device to sata controler, it boot itself straight away to windows xp and i wont get any grub boot loader. anyone experience |
| 17:23.50 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.03 | izn0g | botox a custom kernel ? alsa drivers are already in the 2.6 kernel, fwiw |
| 17:24.18 | cmartine | . /dev/psaux doesnt seem to work nor does softlinking to a /dev/mouse |
| 17:24.24 | botox | izn0g: i know, but im having to use the latest alsa drivers for echo mia support.. |
| 17:24.26 | nvz | Phated: /dev/cdrom is usually a valid link |
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| 17:24.52 | Phated | nvz: I'm fond of using the actual term, but yes, it's valid. |
| 17:24.56 | izn0g | botox: usually, it's a matter of of KVERS & KSRC |
| 17:25.02 | nvz | Phated: FYI, its also how the cdrom group works, the /dev/hd* are group disk |
| 17:25.14 | Phated | nvz: True. |
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| 17:25.26 | botox | izn0g: ok how can i simple make-kpkg modules-image without upsetting the changelog? |
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| 17:25.38 | FieldySnuts | @lart shoving 24GB over a T1 |
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| 17:26.20 | cmartine | anyone know how to create a character /dev/mouse PS/2 type? |
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| 17:26.31 | sussudio | !anyone know |
| 17:26.31 | dpkg | Nope, no one knows! Actually, someone *might* know, but it's best to simply state your problem or ask your question. If someone in the know is around, they will answer, if not, well, no one knows ;). |
| 17:26.38 | whaq | any scsi fans here? |
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| 17:26.49 | sussudio | why would a fan need a scsi interface? |
| 17:26.58 | FieldySnuts | never heard of that one |
| 17:27.01 | toresbe | haha |
| 17:27.01 | cyzie | LoL |
| 17:27.12 | NOELLA | ragass has quit(Remote closed the connection) |
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| 17:27.24 | cyzie | I have dual boot problem. I have 4 hdds. 2 pata hdd and 2 sata hdd. sata1 have windows xp on it. sata2 have debian. when my bios setting is changed to hdd0 and I installed debian, I have no problem getting grub boot loader and boot into debian but I cant boot into windows. It said ntldr is missing. However if I changed the primary boot device to sata controler, it boot itself straight away to windows xp and i wont get any grub boot loader. anyone experience |
| 17:27.26 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:27.30 | whaq | fans for scsi interface, not the other way around |
| 17:27.36 | sussudio | !gobshite NOELLA |
| 17:27.37 | dpkg | Drink! Girls! NOELLA, where's me Whisky?! |
| 17:27.53 | FieldySnuts | ookay |
| 17:28.02 | LoRez | whaq: I've never had a SCSI interface get hot enough to warrant a fan on it. |
| 17:28.12 | nvz | gawd |
| 17:28.14 | FieldySnuts | define "interface" |
| 17:28.22 | FieldySnuts | card? socket? what |
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| 17:28.57 | whaq | LoRez, seriously though, i'm wondering if there are scsi users (and those who prefer the interface compared to other alternatives) |
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| 17:29.04 | LoRez | NOELLA: is that the extent of your contribution? |
| 17:29.24 | LoRez | whaq: try #hardware, it might be on topic there. |
| 17:29.43 | sussudio | LoRez: ragass is a banned user |
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| 17:30.07 | sussudio | LoRez: who happens to be on the same isp as NOELLA... |
| 17:30.25 | linux_newbie | what does the export command do? |
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| 17:30.43 | nvz | linux_newbie: man export |
| 17:30.48 | Hutsebaut | sussudio: are you thinking what i am thinking? |
| 17:30.51 | NOELLA | yeah she was a bit of a clonebot |
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| 17:31.01 | sussudio | Hutsebaut: yes, but the badger would never wear the bathing suit. |
| 17:31.02 | nvz | er |
| 17:31.06 | nvz | linux_newbie: help expot |
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| 17:31.11 | nvz | linux_newbie: help export |
| 17:31.20 | Hutsebaut | sussudio: exactly |
| 17:31.24 | nvz | !yinzersmite me |
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| 17:32.10 | sussudio | -!- 32 - #debian: ban ragass*!*@md-202-89*.arach.net.au [by LoRez!lorez@lorez.staff.freenode, 3463080 secs ago] |
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| 17:32.49 | linux_newbie | does it stay after reboot or does it reset? |
| 17:32.49 | doobiedoo | I'm trying to install ALSA on a 2.4.27-2-686 kernel, but there is no alsa-modules package |
| 17:33.03 | valdyn | cyzie: install grub onto whichever harddisk windows is on |
| 17:33.07 | nvz | sussudio: whats the 32? |
| 17:33.15 | cmartine | anyone know how to create a character /dev/mouse PS/2 type? |
| 17:33.18 | doobiedoo | is there an unofficial package somewhere? |
| 17:33.28 | cyzie | valdyn, can i pm u for more info ? |
| 17:33.30 | sussudio | nvz: /mode #debian b |
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| 17:33.44 | valdyn | cyzie: why? do it in this channel.. |
| 17:33.59 | cyzie | cuz here messy :( i prefer in pm |
| 17:34.00 | nvz | sussudio: ah, you assign codes in your logs? |
| 17:34.01 | cyzie | is that okay? |
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| 17:34.15 | sussudio | nvz: no, this is 'live', irssi gives the bans numbers |
| 17:34.38 | valdyn | cyzie: its not a good idea, try it here |
| 17:34.47 | cyzie | ok |
| 17:34.51 | cyzie | now |
| 17:35.08 | redloff | hi, what should I do to have the ability of listening cd audio on all 6 speakers, not only the front two? |
| 17:35.15 | cyzie | how do i /sbin/sda where sda is the windows drive |
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| 17:35.19 | cyzie | i cant boot into debian |
| 17:35.23 | cyzie | how can i do that now? |
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| 17:35.29 | cyzie | i only boot into windows straight away |
| 17:35.49 | nvz | got better hardware in here.. but its being a PIMA, and its getting warm in here anyhow |
| 17:36.12 | bluefox83 | Cyanophytes, you need a debian boot floppy until you install a boot loader |
| 17:36.21 | valdyn | cyzie: grub-install /dev/sda ( do that a bit later, not yet, you might need preparations ) |
| 17:36.23 | bluefox83 | er.. cyzie |
| 17:36.33 | redloff | cyzie, maybe try some live-cd like knoppix, boot from cd and then mount your partitions and write proper informations to the boot sector |
| 17:36.38 | toresbe | I'm amazed that this worksa t all |
| 17:36.58 | cyzie | redloff, can u teach me step by step, im new to linux :) |
| 17:37.04 | cyzie | i will boot knoppix now |
| 17:37.07 | NP_complete | Ufff.. now it works with initrd, and i've installed nvidia video, but i have a realy strage problem. |
| 17:37.10 | redloff | is it normal, that cd can be heard only on 2 fromt channels |
| 17:37.21 | redloff | cyzie, I don;t know exactly how to do it myself |
| 17:37.22 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.24 | redloff | just an idea |
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| 17:37.28 | NP_complete | My screen is changins shape, when i move a window!! |
| 17:37.29 | CAiRO | what does this error from spamassassin mean? |
| 17:37.42 | bluefox83 | shape? |
| 17:37.46 | bluefox83 | you mean size right? |
| 17:37.59 | NP_complete | yeah |
| 17:38.11 | valdyn | cyzie: you want to be in #debian from a different box to get help step by step, though it hasnt hard at all |
| 17:38.21 | NP_complete | size, it seems like i were high! but not, it's the screen. |
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| 17:38.48 | cyzie | valdyn, i have 2 PCs |
| 17:38.52 | NP_complete | really psychodelic. |
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| 17:38.59 | cyzie | the debian/widnows pc is right beside me |
| 17:39.09 | cyzie | valdyn, can u assist me? |
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| 17:39.31 | valdyn | cyzie: great. So make sure you have a rescue medium like a knoppix CD, then grub-install /dev/sda ( or whatever your windows is ) |
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| 17:39.52 | NP_complete | and as normal user, i can't run glxgears, glxinfo... |
| 17:40.08 | nvz | well I get input: USB HID v1.00 Gamepad [Microsoft® Microsoft® SideWinder® Game Pad USB] on usb 1:4.0, but bzflag tells me that there are no SDL compatible joystics detected.. |
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| 17:40.24 | meff | i need to tar/bzip2 a directory which is 2 gigs, 1.2 gigs compressed.. i want to burn it on 2 cd's, what is the best way to make 2 tbz2's out of this dir? |
| 17:40.27 | nvz | I guess now I got to figure out what the hell an SDL compatible joystick is |
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| 17:41.06 | valdyn | cyzie: i cant guarantuee to be here forever.. |
| 17:41.12 | nvz | I think its time to visit #bzflag :/ |
| 17:41.18 | cyzie | valdyn, when i go into bash shell, and i change to root, after i enetered grub-install /dev/sda it said mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub/': read-only file system |
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| 17:41.31 | toresbe | NFS is amazingly fast, I just realized I had just burnt 4 ISOs over NFS without problems |
| 17:42.18 | asuffield | the problem with NFS has never been performance over a dedicated network link |
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| 17:42.56 | asuffield | network devices have always been faster than hard drives anyway |
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| 17:43.11 | SlayerXP | asuffield: oh really? |
| 17:43.32 | SlayerXP | have fun |
| 17:43.34 | valdyn | cyzie: which device is your / on? "mount -o remount,rw <thatdevice>" |
| 17:43.39 | NP_complete | what is the sound group? i want to add a normal user to that group, (alsa). |
| 17:43.49 | toresbe | asuffield: The server is a k6... I'm amazed it worked |
| 17:43.55 | asuffield | SlayerXP: that's not a network device |
| 17:44.11 | SlayerXP | asuffield: last time I checked ppp counted as network |
| 17:44.17 | valdyn | cyzie: or uh im skipping a step - which device is your / _really_ on and what is /etc/fstab telling |
| 17:44.22 | asuffield | if you care to go back to the time when 56k was the approximate performance of *real* network devices, then your alternative would be a card reader. it was much faster |
| 17:44.25 | asuffield | SlayerXP: no |
| 17:44.35 | pipeline | SlayerXP: I know you were being an ass, but PPP was actually developed to make NFS over dial-up practical |
| 17:44.39 | cyzie | valdyn, can we do it step by step? |
| 17:44.45 | zno | what do people use for firewall on debian iptables? |
| 17:44.52 | cyzie | u want to me show u /etc/fstab now? |
| 17:44.54 | SlayerXP | zno: iptables |
| 17:45.05 | NP_complete | what is the name of sound group? |
| 17:45.09 | pipeline | SlayerXP: SLIP sucked ass; there was no real standard for error correction. |
| 17:45.16 | npx | audio |
| 17:45.17 | valdyn | cyzie: you don't know how to look into /etc/fstab? |
| 17:45.20 | SlayerXP | NP_complete: why not take a look at /etc/groups and take a wild guess? |
| 17:45.21 | zno | does iptables also do NAT or QoS? |
| 17:45.30 | cyzie | valdyn, yes i know |
| 17:45.30 | pipeline | zno: NAT yes, QoS no. |
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| 17:45.39 | cyzie | which one u need in /etc/fstab |
| 17:45.55 | valdyn | cyzie: / and /boot, if /boot exists |
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| 17:46.25 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 17:46.25 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 17:46.42 | cyzie | valdyn cyzie: / and /boot, if /boot exists <== we were talking in the /etc/fstab entry, right? what are u talking in this sentence? |
| 17:47.40 | valdyn | "/dev/sda2 _ /_ reiserfs defaults 0 1" is for _/_ |
| 17:48.06 | pipeline | valdyn: Bad move, bud. |
| 17:48.10 | NP_complete | Why does my screen change size, when i move something (i.e. a window)? |
| 17:48.14 | cyzie | i dont understand what u want, but i will type out the sata information here |
| 17:48.21 | pipeline | NP_complete: Change size? |
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| 17:48.44 | valdyn | pipeline: umm? |
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| 17:49.05 | pipeline | valdyn: Reiser on root? |
| 17:49.09 | cyzie | /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000,uid=knoppix,gid=knoppix 0 0 |
| 17:49.14 | NP_complete | pipeline: yeah, change size, shape... it's really psychodelic. |
| 17:49.38 | pipeline | NP_complete: That's... really weird. I don't know that I've ever seen anything like that. |
| 17:49.41 | slocate | hey, can somebody check the ioctl numeber on a /dev/psaux? |
| 17:49.45 | npx | drop some acid to counteract the effect |
| 17:49.50 | cyzie | /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,umask=000,uid=knoppix,gid=knoppix 0 0 |
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| 17:50.10 | cyzie | /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0 |
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| 17:50.30 | valdyn | cyzie: look at "mount point", / is below that. Dont list me your ntfs mounts, that belongs to your windows instalation |
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| 17:50.52 | cyzie | /dev/sdb5 none swap defaults 0 0 |
| 17:50.52 | mandarin | my usb mouse is working for 5 seconds while i plug it in, then the mouse light goes off. what should i check? |
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| 17:51.09 | cyzie | ok, that is it for sata drive informaiton |
| 17:51.20 | edwardb | installing a package, apt-get install package, reads, checks dependancie, then states it cannot be found?? |
| 17:51.26 | edwardb | anyone have ides |
| 17:51.28 | edwardb | ideas |
| 17:51.47 | cyzie | valdyn cyzie: look at "mount point", / is below that. Dont list me your ntfs mounts, that belongs to your windows instalatio <===i dont see any mount point |
| 17:52.14 | FieldySnuts | damn badgers |
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| 17:52.17 | Kanlee | anyone heard of the nero virus |
| 17:52.42 | valdyn | cyzie: ok, what does /etc/debian_version contain? |
| 17:53.03 | NP_complete | It sems like waves, my screen changes shape/size when i move something... |
| 17:53.27 | cyzie | valdyn, 3.1 |
| 17:53.49 | NP_complete | and i can't enter in my OSD menu |
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| 17:54.31 | nvz | ok well it seems my problem is that my joystick isnt connecting to any device. /dev/input/js[0-4] all say no such device, I have my USB HCD driver loaded, hid, input, joydev, sidewinder. and I get input: USB HID v1.00 Gamepad [Microsoft® Microsoft® SideWinder® Game Pad USB] on usb 1:4.0. Help?! I dont know what else to do |
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| 17:54.45 | valdyn | cyzie: this is the 3rd line in debians fstab: "# <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>". Does contain "mount point", so look at the 2nd row then, thats your mount points |
| 17:54.57 | nvz | Kernel 2.4.27-1-686 Debian 3.1 Sarge btw |
| 17:55.01 | Area-51 | does anyone know of good cli mail clients that can do pop3 with ssl? (debian sarge) |
| 17:55.04 | nvz | no devfs or udev |
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| 17:56.28 | sean_micken | i have an ~/.Xresources file, but XFree isn't loading them on startup... i have to do an xrdb -merge for it to work, how to i make it automatic? |
| 17:56.49 | cyzie | valdyn, i dont understand |
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| 17:57.20 | valdyn | cyzie: paste the line starting with /dev/hda1 |
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| 17:57.40 | Ringo999 | hi there. is there anyone out there having debian and soundblaster live! running? im having severe problems getting it to work. :( |
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| 17:58.47 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.11 | Kanlee | Cyanophytes how to remove the grub |
| 17:59.24 | mwilson | What's the big deal about a Live? |
| 17:59.42 | valdyn | cyzie: great, another ntfs partition. either way you have knoppix installed, thats not debian |
| 17:59.50 | mwilson | rei $ dmesg | grep Live |
| 17:59.50 | mwilson | emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected |
| 17:59.56 | mwilson | <shrug> |
| 18:00.11 | Ringo999 | mwilson: doesnt work for me... |
| 18:00.15 | sussudio | mwilson: there's some bastardized versions... *cough* DELL *cough* |
| 18:00.38 | cyzie | valdyn, what do u mean? means im still stuck in this problem ? |
| 18:00.38 | valdyn | cyzie: at this rate it is in any case better you just install debian while making sure that your windows harddisk is the one your system would boot from if no CD was inserted. "/msg dpkg d-i" |
| 18:00.51 | NP_complete | My screen changes shape/size when i move something over... maybe a Refresh-rate problem? |
| 18:01.01 | nvz | I am about two seconds from leaving this server and compiling new kernels on all these &$%&#@(! machines |
| 18:01.07 | mwilson | I don't suppose anyone gets to know what "doesn't work" actually means? |
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| 18:01.38 | Ringo999 | mwilson: just a sec, im booting my machine. error code coming up... |
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| 18:01.41 | valdyn | cyzie: yes, you have way bigger problems with your system than just not being able to boot, install _real_ debian |
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| 18:02.00 | nvz | the one in there doesnt claim the sidewinder when I plug it in, but this one does, and the joydev wont load. they are the same freaking kernel, both Intels |
| 18:02.09 | kethinov | does anyone here know how to configure imwheel to use thumb mouse buttons to send keyboard commands? |
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| 18:02.13 | samuel | apt tell me about xorg |
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| 18:03.04 | Area-51 | 2.6.8 |
| 18:03.08 | cyzie | valdyn, what do u mean real debian?! i did my sarge netinstall on that pc |
| 18:03.08 | npx | 2.6.10 is nice =) |
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| 18:03.27 | Area-51 | 2.6.10 is way faster, but there are some issues with things above 2.6.8 that dont like my wifi card in monitor mode |
| 18:03.35 | wcs | Sarge is frozen right? |
| 18:03.37 | npx | that's a shame |
| 18:03.45 | caphuso | wcs: /topic |
| 18:03.46 | nvz | I got 2.4.27-686 on these two machines |
| 18:03.52 | sussudio | such a shame. |
| 18:03.54 | npx | In that respect I'm almost glad I'm still using PPP |
| 18:03.56 | cyzie | just tell me, how do i execute /sbin/grub-install /dev/sda on knoppix |
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| 18:04.06 | npx | It may be slow as hell, but a least it just works |
| 18:04.08 | nvz | and neither of their sorry asses can run any of half a dozen freakin joystics I got |
| 18:04.09 | mwilson | cyzie: #knoppix |
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| 18:04.49 | valdyn | cyzie: maybe, but you are right now in knoppix |
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| 18:04.52 | sussudio | apparently, ubuntu is coming out with yet another version. guess that means another flood of ubuntards coming soon. |
| 18:05.07 | NP_complete | please, help me, i'm getting MAD my screem is always moving, like sea waves, when i move something over. |
| 18:05.14 | SlayerXP | sussudio: is that the official collective noun? |
| 18:05.17 | pipeline | At least they're holding to their release schedule. |
| 18:05.17 | valdyn | valdyn: i could imagine that you just need to remove your knoppix cd, and boot debian then if you installed it |
| 18:05.20 | sussudio | SlayerXP: it is now. |
| 18:05.22 | NP_complete | does anyone had the same trouble? |
| 18:05.28 | sussudio | NP_complete: meh? |
| 18:05.40 | nvz | I might as well compile on that worthless dell, its got the P4 1.8 and 512 RAMBUS, where as this is only a PIII 733 w/ like 512 regular PC133 or whatever it is |
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| 18:06.07 | cyzie | mwilson, plz dont point me here and there... it is debian related issue as well. ty! |
| 18:06.17 | NP_complete | sussusio, when i move/resize a window my screen changes it's shape, realy crazy. |
| 18:06.18 | samuel | anyone know if xorg packages up yet? |
| 18:06.23 | cyzie | mmm...any master debian here? |
| 18:06.24 | takatumi | it's funny what bzflag can do to people. compile away :) |
| 18:06.26 | cyzie | i need to get this fix |
| 18:06.33 | cyzie | cuz it is irritating :( |
| 18:06.33 | nvz | or maybe I will crunch 2.6.10 on the dell, and 2.4.29 on here |
| 18:06.35 | sussudio | NP_complete: did you have some LSD before this? |
| 18:06.44 | NP_complete | no |
| 18:07.12 | sussudio | NP_complete: and you are running Debian, not Knoppix, Ubuntu... |
| 18:07.22 | NP_complete | really psilocibic screen.. i'm running sarge |
| 18:07.24 | PEACEYALL | Can someone help me in ndiswrapper? , i loaded teh driver and now when i type modprobe ndiswrapper it tells me an error. THe error is FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 18:07.31 | sean_micken | ~/.Xresources isn't loading my fuckin' defaults goddamn it. |
| 18:07.35 | sussudio | NP_complete: you don't have an s3 savage at all, do you? |
| 18:07.35 | PEACEYALL | wat can i do to fix it |
| 18:07.47 | NP_complete | with nVidia GLX drivers working fine. |
| 18:07.56 | sussudio | NP_complete: so use those |
| 18:08.18 | buht-work | is there a net installer with SCSI drivers for the boot? |
| 18:08.22 | NP_complete | i use nVidia, i have a GeForce FX |
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| 18:08.43 | m0r3 | afternoon all |
| 18:08.52 | PEACEYALL | can someone help |
| 18:08.55 | NP_complete | nvidia GLX works fine, but it seems like my screen has take some LSD... |
| 18:09.28 | npx | sounds like foobar'd monitor modes |
| 18:09.29 | Ringo999 | mwilson: ok here the error messages: trying to open volume control in gnome -> no mixer elements / devices found. trying to play mp3 -> could not access device /dev/dsp. |
| 18:09.32 | nvz | sounds like a plan, I will compile 2.6.10 for i686 on the dell, and 2.4.29 for i686 on the dell, then rsync and install em both on both systems |
| 18:09.48 | buht-work | i dont know if i need full cd sets, the business card iso or what... i just need something that will detect my scsi array with aic7xxx and megaraid |
| 18:09.56 | buht-work | first netinst didnt |
| 18:10.15 | takatumi | nvz: why not just install the kernel-images? |
| 18:10.20 | Ringo999 | mwilson: think u know what it is? |
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| 18:10.31 | Kanlee | is debian better than knoppix? |
| 18:10.49 | caphuso | !better |
| 18:10.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 18:10.51 | drac | Kanlee: yes. |
| 18:10.52 | nvz | takatumi: I already got the latest kernel images in sarge... they are being a royal PIMFA |
| 18:10.53 | drac | Ringo999: install udev. |
| 18:10.53 | m0r3 | try chmod +666 /dev/dsp |
| 18:11.00 | ScatterBrain | Kanlee Knoppix == Debian |
| 18:11.02 | caphuso | !666 dsp |
| 18:11.02 | dpkg | DO NOT chmod 666 /dev/dsp. That's horribly insecure -- people can write random noise to your speakers, or worse, they can listen to you via your microphone. Instead, add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio). |
| 18:11.20 | takatumi | nvz: ah. |
| 18:11.35 | Rawplayer | !666 /root |
| 18:11.36 | m0r3 | well try smaller number :>) |
| 18:11.37 | NP_complete | It's like a morphing screen, why the hell happens? |
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| 18:11.49 | sussudio | m0r30n |
| 18:11.54 | Rawplayer | !777 dsp |
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| 18:12.10 | Ringo999 | drac:h how? |
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| 18:12.16 | drac | Ringo999: apt-get install udev ? |
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| 18:12.26 | Ringo999 | k |
| 18:12.38 | nvz | takatumi: I figured out today that the reason I am usually hopping around alone in bzflag all of a sudden, is because 2.0 was released and 1.10 is still in sarge. so I installed 2.0 from sid, and I cant get either the P4 or the PIII to use any of several joystics I have. |
| 18:13.23 | takatumi | nvz: 21:06 takatumi | it's funny what bzflag can do to people. compile away :) |
| 18:13.27 | nvz | takatumi: on here the sidewinder driver never claims the joystick when I plug it in, and out there it refuses to load joydev so it can attach to the input driver and be seen through SDL |
| 18:14.02 | mwilson | drac: Why in the world would you tell him to install udev? |
| 18:14.16 | mwilson | drac: Is that supposed to do anything other than make things worse? |
| 18:14.47 | nvz | takatumi: hey you are missing the point.. I am using two old debian kernel images, that are being a PIMFA, and I need to make some new kernel-image packages :) |
| 18:15.05 | npx | It's pretty much trading one oblique, difficult-to-configure interface for loading hardware modules for another |
| 18:15.19 | takatumi | nvz: all the best ;) |
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| 18:15.30 | Ringo999 | drac;: its already installed |
| 18:15.34 | mwilson | npx: Exactly how is udev an interface for loading hardware modules? |
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| 18:15.52 | npx | It's useless without one (hotplug, discover) |
| 18:15.58 | caphuso | exactly not at all :) |
| 18:16.01 | pipeline | Ringo999: Are you using sarge? |
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| 18:16.04 | nvz | my uncle could probably use a good kernel too.. but he's using an hp laptop with AMD XP, so thats out of my way right now |
| 18:16.17 | mwilson | Well, discover is useless in any context. |
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| 18:16.21 | nvz | I am compiling i686 desktop gaming kernels right now |
| 18:16.22 | drac | mwilson: I was reading he had missing device node? Oh well. He should prolly get alsa, and install correct modules too? |
| 18:16.22 | schwee | is there a difference between g+s and g+S when set on a directory? |
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| 18:16.51 | Ringo999 | pipeline: YEAH! |
| 18:17.13 | Kanlee | can you install two linux OS in the same machien |
| 18:17.14 | Kanlee | and use the same grubloader and same swap partition as common |
| 18:17.15 | Kanlee | ? |
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| 18:17.19 | Ringo999 | pipeline: any idea? |
| 18:17.21 | caphuso | schwee: chmod: invalid mode string: `g+S' |
| 18:17.26 | nvz | Kanlee: yes |
| 18:17.42 | nvz | Kanlee: as many as you like actually, if you wont be running them simultaniously |
| 18:17.55 | schwee | caphuso: huh...somehow i got a directory that looks like this, drwx--S--- |
| 18:18.03 | caphuso | schwee: that means the execute bit isn't set |
| 18:18.28 | schwee | how is that different than just drwx------ ? |
| 18:18.56 | Kanlee | well is there ne possiblity of installin os inside os ?? |
| 18:19.00 | pipeline | Ringo999: The error you got means that either your sound drivers aren't loaded, or you don't have access to them. Add your user account to the "audio" group, make sure you have udev+hotplug installed, reboot, and see what happens. It's possible that your audio hardware isn't being detected by hotplug. |
| 18:19.09 | nvz | Kanlee: in a virtual machine |
| 18:19.16 | pipeline | Kanlee: Is there any possibility of typing clearly? |
| 18:19.30 | nvz | Kanlee: there are also kernels in production for running multiple OS |
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| 18:19.46 | caphuso | schwee: g+s is set |
| 18:19.51 | nvz | Kanlee: google around for user-mode linux, or colinux or such |
| 18:20.01 | Ringo999 | pipeline: im already in the audio group. so is root. udev is installed. apt-get install hotplug? |
| 18:20.04 | schwee | ah, ok. i understand. so g+s without a +x |
| 18:20.04 | pipeline | Kanlee: Dual-booting is not just possible but easy. |
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| 18:20.13 | pipeline | Ringo999: You probably have hotplug installed already, but try it. |
| 18:20.31 | caphuso | schwee: exactly |
| 18:20.32 | npx | What would be cool is if hotplug were like: We think we've found <device>, supported by <module> <version> - would you like to load <module>? Then after iterating through the list like that, it'd save a hardware profile and let you name it, and set it as the default if you choose. Then if you want to make a new one, you hold shift or something |
| 18:20.41 | pipeline | Kanlee: Running multiple linux systems at the same time is more difficult; you may want to look into UML, Xen, or VMWare ESX Server |
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| 18:20.43 | schwee | thanks caphuso |
| 18:20.45 | NP_complete | i have the correct refresh rates values, but my screen seems psycodelic, please help. |
| 18:20.59 | NP_complete | and nVidiaGLX working fine. |
| 18:21.03 | pipeline | npx: Heh, I imagine that with some initrd boot script mangling, that wouldn't be hard to do :P |
| 18:21.18 | mwilson | npx: No, it'd be nice if discover actually worked like that (or worked at all, but I digress). Hotplug has no business acting like that. |
| 18:21.24 | pipeline | npx: I'm not eager to try it as I hate messing with the initrd. |
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| 18:21.42 | npx | Okay, you're right, s/hotplug/discover/ |
| 18:21.54 | Ringo999 | pipeline: what should i try, nothing has changed? |
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| 18:22.17 | pipeline | Ringo999: You did log out after you added yourself to the audio group, right? |
| 18:22.21 | mwilson | People's reliance on such an utterly broken piece of software as discover always amazes me. |
| 18:22.53 | pipeline | mwilson: At least it's better than superprobe, right? |
| 18:23.00 | npx | hahah |
| 18:23.08 | mwilson | Dunno, never used superprobe. |
| 18:23.16 | pipeline | You didn't miss anything. |
| 18:23.21 | Ringo999 | pipeline: i chmoded 777 /dev/dsp. now the sound works. |
| 18:23.37 | npx | Superprobe was so broken it was pretty easy to forget that it was there |
| 18:23.41 | Ringo999 | pipeline: how do i check again about if im in the audio group? |
| 18:23.44 | mwilson | I've used kudzu, and I've used discover. Kudzu is crap, but it occasionally works, discover is crap and just causes problems. |
| 18:24.25 | pipeline | Ringo999: Applications -> System tools -> "users and groups" |
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| 18:24.35 | pipeline | Ringo999: Then select a user, hit "properties" and go to the "other groups" tab |
| 18:25.01 | Ringo999 | pipeline: dont have that under systemtools??? |
| 18:25.18 | pipeline | Ringo999: Then, as root, vi /etc/group |
| 18:25.19 | Ringo999 | pipeline: missing package? |
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| 18:25.33 | npx | VMWare workstation can run 6 instances of linux at once, I think - all with the same installation of linux. It's pretty neat. |
| 18:25.35 | dafresh_ | hi all, can i fix the umask for a specifique directory ? |
| 18:25.43 | EvilDeshi | im having an issue with postfix on my debian system durring bootup it is freezing at the loading of it and the hd is still heavily active, i have let it sit there the last 20 minutes and nothing changed and ctrl-c does not break out. any ideas? |
| 18:26.12 | Ringo999 | pipeline: ok, but here i see, root and my user are already in audio gropu. |
| 18:26.15 | pipeline | Ringo999: You didn't install the full gnome, I guess. Install the gnome-system-tools package to get the graphical users applet. |
| 18:26.29 | Ringo999 | pipeline: got u |
| 18:26.32 | pipeline | Ringo999: You have to log out completely and log in again for your group membership to take effect. |
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| 18:27.02 | Ringo999 | pipeline: i already did that yesterday. someone else on irc told me to do that. |
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| 18:27.28 | pipeline | Ringo999: Well, if you are in the correct group, you should have had write access with the default permissions. |
| 18:27.32 | mwilson | Huh, I didn't think Gnome was inheriting system management stupidities until 2.10 |
| 18:27.34 | mouse | hi |
| 18:27.38 | mwilson | But 2.8 has it? |
| 18:27.53 | CRP | algum brasileiro na sala :) ? |
| 18:27.57 | pipeline | I think 2.4+ had it, mwilson. |
| 18:28.01 | Ringo999 | pipeline: obviously not. so there must be something else wrong with it. like is said. chmodding it to 777 and now it works. |
| 18:28.18 | pipeline | mwilson: The thing about gnome versions is that a lot of tools are developed independently before being sucked into the larger tree |
| 18:28.53 | pipeline | Ringo999: Are you using Debian? Because something is fucked up here. |
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| 18:29.19 | Ringo999 | pipeline: ok. i saw the error. im so stupid.... |
| 18:29.29 | pipeline | Ringo999: If you are indeed using Debian, what we have here is a problem between keyboard and chair. Can you, as your regular user, "chgrp audio <files>" ? |
| 18:29.30 | mwilson | I saw in the 2.10 preview that the intent was to give the user control over Samba/NFS... not on my watch. |
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| 18:29.47 | pipeline | mwilson: Fortunately, you're not a gnome developer. |
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| 18:29.53 | EvilDeshi | so is there any way i can kill out postfix during boot up so i can boot the system. something is causing postfix to freeze up and i cant complete the boot process |
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| 18:30.14 | pipeline | mwilson: The goneme people need some help; they've never found anyone who could code who held the sort of attitude you are displaying. |
| 18:30.25 | Ringo999 | pipeline: i guess i was to STUPID to edit the groups file... |
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| 18:30.43 | pipeline | Ringo999: Huh? Why? |
| 18:30.48 | mwilson | pipeline: Hm? That users don't get to make system decisions? |
| 18:31.15 | Ringo999 | pipeline: just a spelling mistake! |
| 18:31.30 | pipeline | mwilson: No, that features are bad. I expect that the function you described will be handled as SMB support is currently handled in Gnome: At the user level. |
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| 18:32.01 | Ringo999 | pipeline: ok i wanne chmod /dev/dsp back to the original state, what were the settings chmod ??? |
| 18:32.12 | mwilson | pipeline: I never said features were bad. I said users don't get to make decisions like that. Allowing a user to decide what a box exports is absurd. |
| 18:32.21 | pipeline | mwilson: I consider the users-admin and accompanying applets to be a blessing. I'll still be typing vipw out of habit unto my grave, but desktop users don't want to do that. |
| 18:32.31 | pipeline | Ringo999: Don't worry about it. On reboot, it'll be wiped out and replaced. |
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| 18:33.34 | Ringo999 | ok. how do i uninstall packages...apt-get ? gnome |
| 18:33.52 | EvilDeshi | apt-get remove <package> |
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| 18:34.04 | EvilDeshi | ad --purge if u want to purge the config files |
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| 18:34.49 | Ringo999 | pipeline: thx for the help, really appreciate it! |
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| 18:36.21 | pipeline | Ringo999: That's what I idle here for. |
| 18:36.28 | Ringo999 | ;) |
| 18:36.41 | EvilDeshi | how do i use grub to boot to single mode |
| 18:36.43 | pipeline | Ringo999: You pasted an informative error into the channel and got an informative response instead of ridicule. |
| 18:37.01 | pipeline | EvilDeshi: highlight the entry you would normally boot, hit "e", then change the "kernel ..." line to have " single" at the end of it. |
| 18:37.09 | pipeline | EvilDeshi: Then hit "b" to boot with the modified entry |
| 18:37.19 | mwilson | Presumably that was aimed at me, even though all I did was bow out. |
| 18:37.35 | pipeline | mwilson: Nah. |
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| 18:37.59 | pipeline | mwilson: I would have mentioned you by name and probably called you a prick if it had been. I've never been one for subtlety. |
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| 18:40.29 | LarsAC | how can I prevent certain modules being probed at startup ? |
| 18:40.38 | sussudio | in soviet russia, modules probe you |
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| 18:40.52 | EvilDeshi | thanks pipeline |
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| 18:42.07 | doub | hi there |
| 18:42.08 | pipeline | LarsAC: I'm not perfectly sure, but I believe all you have to do is add the modules names to a file in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ |
| 18:42.14 | pipeline | LarsAC: I don't think the filename matters |
| 18:42.38 | pingouin | apples always meant troubles..since eden (sorry i stole from a quit msg i found very fun ;) ) |
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| 18:42.58 | dam_ | hi |
| 18:43.08 | npx | or just /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 18:43.52 | shygrrl | ok im bored |
| 18:44.10 | shygrrl | reading a windows LJ community so i can laugh at windows users problems and pathetic |
| 18:44.15 | npx | but that doesn't work if you're also running discover |
| 18:44.15 | shygrrl | is |
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| 18:44.16 | pipeline | shygrrl: Congratulations. Given your name, I suggest you play with your tits on a webcam. |
| 18:44.26 | pngwn | heh |
| 18:44.28 | pipeline | npx: Do people still use discover? |
| 18:44.51 | npx | shygrrl Given that, would it be inappropriate to ask for specifics? |
| 18:45.00 | shygrrl | pipeline, i wont even dignify that with a response |
| 18:45.31 | pipeline | shygrrl: With that nick, you're begging for such jabs. |
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| 18:45.51 | mwilson | pipeline: Sadly, people do still use discover. |
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| 18:46.08 | doub | shygrrl: why not show them the Way to Redemption(tm) instead? |
| 18:46.09 | mwilson | pipeline: You see the stupid problems it causes on d-u all the time. |
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| 18:46.21 | dam_ | My cdrom is not detected anymore since last upgrade (no /dev/hdc). Any idea why ? (sid/2.6.10-1-K7) |
| 18:46.29 | exalted | when i do "module-assistant prepare", it says me that i have to install linux headers 2.6.6. How to do that? Thx. |
| 18:46.43 | pipeline | exalted: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 18:46.58 | exalted | pipeline, no 2.6.6 |
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| 18:47.06 | pipeline | dam_: That's a bit weird; are you using udev or devfs? |
| 18:47.21 | LarsAC | pipeline, npx: looks good, thx |
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| 18:47.40 | mwilson | feh... burned potato chips |
| 18:47.48 | exalted | pipeline, there are some 2.4.x and some 2.6.8.x an so on. but no 2.6.6.. =( |
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| 18:48.02 | dam_ | pipeline: udev |
| 18:48.07 | npx | fuck, they fixed the scvs healing marines bug in starcraft |
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| 18:48.16 | pipeline | exalted: Ahah, old version problem. http://snapshot.debian.net/ -- find the .deb by hand and install it. |
| 18:48.17 | npx | the basis for my previous 200 wins, out the window |
| 18:48.20 | shygrrl | true |
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| 18:48.28 | shygrrl | its been my nick for five years |
| 18:48.38 | pipeline | That doesn't make it any less pathetic and attention whoring. |
| 18:48.57 | exalted | pipeline, how to install a package by hand than, without apt-get installing? |
| 18:49.01 | pipeline | "<shygrrl> ok im bored" is the kind of thing I expect to see on bash.org |
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| 18:49.12 | hyksos | hi, is there a pdf viewer with search function? xpdf and gpdf doesnt have one |
| 18:49.19 | shygrrl | i actually meant to type it in another channel anyways |
| 18:49.23 | pipeline | exalted: Download the old kernel-headers deb from snapshot.debian.org and use "dpkg -i <file>" |
| 18:49.41 | pipeline | hyksos: You could use the adobe pdf reader. |
| 18:49.44 | exalted | pipeline, ok thx |
| 18:49.49 | shygrrl | #debian-women before anyone gets any ideas |
| 18:49.57 | dam_ | pipeline: I think I have it... I thought I got rid of hdc=ide-scsi, but apparently not... (grep dmesg | grep hdc showed it to me) |
| 18:49.58 | mwilson | hyksos: Really? When did you remove the feature from xpdf? Were you going to tell the program author? |
| 18:50.23 | KimHansen | hyksos: Ctrl-F in xpdf |
| 18:50.28 | dam_ | ciao |
| 18:50.30 | mwilson | hyksos: And you seem to have missed my copy. |
| 18:50.36 | exalted | pipeline, by the wat, doen this command handles also dependencies (if there are any)? |
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| 18:51.06 | United | Question, somone is downloading a huge file off my webserver and i cant restart the web server, how do i stop the current download? it has its own seperate virtual host also. |
| 18:51.07 | pipeline | exalted: dpkg is the package system that apt is a front-end to. |
| 18:51.18 | EvilDeshi | gettin this error |
| 18:51.19 | EvilDeshi | Removing postfix ... |
| 18:51.19 | EvilDeshi | /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.prerm: line 29: /etc/init.d/postfix: No such file or directory |
| 18:51.27 | exalted | pipeline, than the answer is yes? =) |
| 18:51.30 | pipeline | exalted: It won't install a deb if the dependencies aren't present. You should already have the dependencies for a kernel-headers deb :P |
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| 18:51.35 | dvs | EvilDeshi: That should be fine. |
| 18:51.36 | EvilDeshi | dpkg: error processing postfix (--remove): |
| 18:51.36 | dpkg | EvilDeshi: I give up, what is it? |
| 18:51.45 | EvilDeshi | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 18:51.49 | mwilson | EvilDeshi: This is what happens when you interfere with the packaging system by deleting files yourself. |
| 18:51.50 | EvilDeshi | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:51.50 | EvilDeshi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:51.55 | EvilDeshi | i didnt though |
| 18:52.06 | KimHansen | United: are you using apache 1.3 og 2.0 ? |
| 18:52.13 | exalted | pipeline, oh. You mean it doesn't solve the dependencie problems himself, i have to trace'em? |
| 18:52.14 | EvilDeshi | i ran apt-get remove postfix --purge |
| 18:52.50 | pipeline | exalted: It does but it doesn't. |
| 18:53.04 | exalted | EvilDeshi, i use: dpkg --purge --force-depends <package> |
| 18:53.10 | pipeline | exalted: It handles dependencies, yes, but no, it won't go get them for you -- that's what apt is for. Don't worry about it; for this particular package, it's not an issue. |
| 18:53.12 | EvilDeshi | oh ok |
| 18:53.27 | mwilson | exalted: What's that supposed to do to fix his problem? Other than nothing? |
| 18:53.30 | EvilDeshi | that didnt do it |
| 18:53.34 | exalted | pipeline, nice! i really hope so =) |
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| 18:53.44 | EvilDeshi | error processing postfix --purge |
| 18:53.50 | exalted | mwilson, ? |
| 18:54.05 | United | KimHansen, 1.3 |
| 18:54.22 | mwilson | exalted: What was the command line you gave him supposed to do? It certainly had zero relationship to his problem. |
| 18:54.52 | orospakr | why might apache2 threads hang in accept () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 when they try to serve up a PHP page? (debian testing, up to date as of today). |
| 18:55.01 | exalted | mwilson, sorry about my command, it just to remove, i didn't see well the "--purge". |
| 18:55.02 | KimHansen | United: Find out which apache-process is sending the file and kill it, you can use 'netstat tp' to find the process |
| 18:55.06 | exalted | sorry about my command, it just to remove, i didn't see well the "--purge". |
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| 18:55.51 | EvilDeshi | shit |
| 18:55.52 | mwilson | exalted: He's not having a dependency problem, so creating one for him by telling dpkg to break the dependency database isn't useful. |
| 18:56.06 | KimHansen | United: I meant 'netstat -tp' |
| 18:56.08 | EvilDeshi | like nothing is letting me remove postfix so i can install exim4 |
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| 18:56.40 | pipeline | EvilDeshi: "apt-get --purge remove postfix" doesn't work...? odd. |
| 18:56.43 | United | KimHansen there are 100 things in there |
| 18:56.49 | exalted | mwilson, i'm out of this. Sorry about my interruption than... |
| 18:57.01 | mwilson | EvilDeshi: You deleted postfix's initscript by hand, the package is trying to stop the daemon so it can remove it, it can't do it, therefore the removal fails. |
| 18:57.12 | EvilDeshi | Removing postfix ... |
| 18:57.13 | EvilDeshi | /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.prerm: line 29: /etc/init.d/postfix: No such file or directory |
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| 18:57.18 | EvilDeshi | dpkg: error processing postfix (--purge): |
| 18:57.18 | EvilDeshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.18 | dpkg | EvilDeshi: i don't know |
| 18:57.19 | samue1 | dpkg tell me about x.org |
| 18:57.21 | KimHansen | United: Do you know the ip-address of the user who are downloading? |
| 18:57.25 | EvilDeshi | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 18:57.25 | EvilDeshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.25 | EvilDeshi | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 18:57.58 | LoRez | EvilDeshi: don't paste in here. |
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| 18:58.02 | EvilDeshi | sorry |
| 18:58.21 | mwilson | EvilDeshi: Why did you delete the initscript? |
| 18:58.26 | EvilDeshi | i didnt |
| 18:58.31 | daxxar | I get "Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/DynaLoader.pm line 202." when trying to run my perl-script. What could be the problem? (debian stable) |
| 18:58.40 | EvilDeshi | postfix out of the blue earlier quit running and never loaded up again |
| 18:58.43 | United | KimHansen: 69.110.71.130 |
| 18:58.54 | KimHansen | EvilDeshi: edit the file /var/lib/dpkg/info/postfix.prerm, add a # in front of line 29 |
| 18:58.54 | EvilDeshi | so i ran the apt-get remove postfix and it keeps giving me that error |
| 18:59.15 | JarJarBinks | how do I compress a directory of files to fx. compressed01.xxx compressed02.xxx ... compressed0n.xxx with each xxx file of same size? |
| 18:59.26 | KimHansen | United: Then run 'netstat -ntp | grep 69.110.71.130' |
| 18:59.41 | doub | EvilDeshi: also kill all running instances of postfix first |
| 18:59.45 | JarJarBinks | I've done man tar , man bzip2 man split, but can't figure it out |
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| 19:01.08 | United | tcp 0 67228 66.14.201.82:80 69.110.71.130:43204 ESTABLISHED3922/httpd |
| 19:01.17 | United | kill -9 67228 ? |
| 19:01.28 | KimHansen | United: No 3922 |
| 19:01.32 | greycat | no. |
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| 19:01.42 | United | ? |
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| 19:01.52 | greycat | and why on EARTH are you killing an httpd with -9? |
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| 19:02.01 | directhex | because it's been a bad httpd? |
| 19:02.05 | KimHansen | The pid is at the end of the line |
| 19:02.05 | directhex | and deserves smiting? |
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| 19:02.35 | greycat | killing anything with -9 is more likely to smite oneself |
| 19:02.44 | United | well what do i do |
| 19:02.53 | greycat | I missed the original problem. |
| 19:03.02 | United | ugh |
| 19:03.05 | greycat | Whatever it is, killing some random httpd process with -9 is not the answer. |
| 19:03.06 | United | somone is downloading a huge file |
| 19:03.12 | United | and i need to stop them without killing apache |
| 19:03.20 | greycat | OpenBSD has a way to do that... |
| 19:03.20 | Jesper_DK | Hi - do you know if there is anyway to get apt to run through the installed packages to check dependencies and other mixups ? |
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| 19:03.34 | greycat | killing that child with signal 15 MIGHT also work, but I can't guarantee it. |
| 19:04.06 | greycat | Jesper_DK: try to install something with apt-get. It'll bitch quite loudly if the dependency tree is damaged. |
| 19:04.08 | United | kill -9 3922 |
| 19:04.09 | Eraser256 | which kernel img is recomendable to use vanilla? |
| 19:04.10 | United | worked perfect |
| 19:04.13 | greycat | United: NOT -9!! |
| 19:04.18 | greycat | *ugh*. |
| 19:04.19 | United | why not -9 ? |
| 19:04.23 | greycat | BECAUSE. |
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| 19:04.51 | Eraser256 | should i use vanilla or wody? |
| 19:04.57 | greycat | The same reason you don't bulldoze your house to kill a mosquito in your living room. |
| 19:05.04 | United | lol |
| 19:05.08 | doub | United: -9 is an uncatchable signal by the app, whereas the standard TERM (15) signal can be caught for it to exit nicely |
| 19:05.17 | xklvin | hola |
| 19:05.19 | Jesper_DK | greycat: the problem is that the apps is bitchin' and apt cant see anyting wrong |
| 19:05.20 | United | so |
| 19:05.21 | United | use -15 ? |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | Jesper_DK: what app? |
| 19:05.30 | xklvin | hay alguien que hable español |
| 19:05.36 | greycat | United: just "kill <PID>" |
| 19:05.38 | greycat | !es |
| 19:05.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:05.44 | doub | United: it's the default signal, you don't have to specify it |
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| 19:05.49 | United | ok |
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| 19:05.55 | KimHansen | Apache is quite robust, it survives that you kill -9 one of its children. But it is not a good idea to use -9 if it isn't nessesary |
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| 19:06.19 | Borgon | are there problems of the debian not detecting vmware hard drive? |
| 19:06.22 | Jesper_DK | greycat: gaim, mozilla, evolution... anything not shipped with kde realy (im using kde). |
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| 19:06.40 | greycat | Jesper_DK: and what are they saying? |
| 19:06.56 | Jesper_DK | greycat: segfault all of them |
| 19:07.13 | greycat | that's not a depdendency problem, then -- it's a bug. or something more subtle. |
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| 19:07.30 | doub | Jesper_DK: i bet there's a problem with gtk or one of the gnome libs |
| 19:07.34 | greycat | s/\(typos\)/correct usage/g |
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| 19:08.37 | Jesper_DK | well it happend after a gaim update, nothing special |
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| 19:09.22 | greycat | then I'd suspect something in gtk2/gtk |
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| 19:09.57 | greycat | gaim, mozilla and evolution all use one or both of the GTK libraries. |
| 19:10.00 | Jesper_DK | me to, but i dont know how to fix it... reinstalling perhaps ? |
| 19:10.57 | doub | Jesper_DK: you can try that, but that can be a conf problem (a borked gtk theme, for example) |
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| 19:12.13 | Jesper_DK | btw Oo wont start eigther |
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| 19:12.18 | fgh | hi |
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| 19:12.23 | fgh | one maschine got hacked |
| 19:12.27 | fgh | i need help :) |
| 19:12.31 | fgh | debsums means no hacks |
| 19:12.35 | fgh | one moment |
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| 19:12.43 | fgh | http://runto.homelinux.org/solala/derpenner/ |
| 19:12.50 | fgh | tage a look at this file when u want :) |
| 19:12.57 | CoolPops | How do I setup the keymap on boot? |
| 19:12.58 | joebob2000 | is it anyones opinion that ssl/tls secured email sending/receiving is a worthwhile endeavor? |
| 19:13.02 | greycat | !tell fgh about enter |
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| 19:13.22 | CoolPops | I have it set to dvorak during install, but now it's in it's perm location and has a qwerty installed. |
| 19:13.24 | fgh | 21513 ttyp1 R+ 1581:55 ./vadimII 210.245.151.31 53 10 0 |
| 19:13.28 | fgh | is the evil |
| 19:13.35 | fgh | the hacker can start this by his self |
| 19:13.42 | fgh | its currently not on |
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| 19:13.48 | fgh | want to located this |
| 19:13.50 | mwilson | greycat: Mozilla uses GTK? |
| 19:14.01 | greycat | mwilson: in sarge and sid, yes. gtk2 in fact. |
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| 19:14.16 | Jesper_DK | oowriter says "I18N: Operating system doesn't support locale "" |
| 19:14.16 | Jesper_DK | " |
| 19:14.17 | Hydroxide | even in woody I think mozilla uses gtk1 |
| 19:14.24 | Hydroxide | but yes, mozilla uses gtk |
| 19:14.29 | Borgon | which kernel is sarge packed with 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 19:14.29 | mwilson | Huh. Wtf for? |
| 19:14.43 | greycat | Borgon: yes. |
| 19:14.56 | greycat | mwilson: for widgets, of course :) |
| 19:15.07 | mwilson | greycat: These aren't GTK widgets. |
| 19:15.14 | Borgon | which |
| 19:15.18 | greycat | Borgon: both |
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| 19:15.23 | Ringo999 | ok imm installing debian, i got to harddrives and im not sure how to partition it. i got a 3GB slave 30GB Master. where should i mount the 3GB one too? /usr? |
| 19:15.24 | ledet | Borgon: yes! |
| 19:15.45 | mwilson | None of mozcrap's controls look like GTK widgets. |
| 19:15.56 | Borgon | weird |
| 19:16.00 | Borgon | well am trying to install via vmware to test xen virtualization... but i keep getting no hard drive detected... |
| 19:16.01 | greycat | mwilson: dunno then, but it definitely uses it. |
| 19:16.12 | si|vercat | outgoing mail with exim doesn't work.. I have to use the smtp-host of my isp.. and I can't even find out which file the config lies in.. |
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| 19:16.38 | greycat | si|vercat: when in doubt, re-run the configuration and tell it to use the "smarthost" option |
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| 19:17.08 | mathieu | Ringo999, i suggest you start without using the 3GB at all |
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| 19:18.23 | lawnchair | holy shit |
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| 19:20.35 | kantai | Hey, can anyone help me set up fetchmail? I want it to run as a user, say "postmaster" and deliver mail to user's maildirs where the user's procmail will run. |
| 19:20.35 | greycat | you shouldn't have a literal user named "postmaster", probably... |
| 19:20.35 | kantai | right |
| 19:20.40 | greycat | normally, "postmaster@foo" is an alias to your primary mailbox |
| 19:20.44 | kantai | that's just an example |
| 19:21.00 | greycat | why not run fetchmail as yourself and skip the middleman? |
| 19:21.08 | kantai | multiuser |
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| 19:21.43 | lgd_ | good night all |
| 19:21.47 | greycat | ok, then have it deliver through SMTP on localhost, and you can run it as any user you like |
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| 19:22.01 | mathieu | in /etc/default/fetchmail there's an option to run it as root |
| 19:22.04 | greycat | your local MTA should handle it |
| 19:22.12 | mathieu | maybe you could check that |
| 19:22.14 | kantai | ah ok |
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| 19:22.55 | kantai | thanks |
| 19:23.29 | mathieu | kantai, check /etc/default/fetchmail - you can set it up to run as daemon, without being root |
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| 19:24.22 | kantai | hmmm, /etc/default/fetchmail doesn't exist, should I just create a new one? Or is there a template somewhere? |
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| 19:24.46 | krumn | how i can take a screenshot to a tty terminal? |
| 19:24.55 | mathieu | kantai, hm strange |
| 19:25.01 | greycat | krumn: screen(1) can do it. |
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| 19:25.23 | WiFiTux | greycat: I still can't get IMAP to work, do you know a IMAP server that doesn't require Maildir? |
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| 19:25.33 | krumn | greycat how? |
| 19:25.34 | greycat | krumn: the magic keyword in this case is "log", since the manual is from like 1988 and doesn't talk about "screen shot" |
| 19:25.36 | frop | hallo |
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| 19:25.42 | caphuso | WiFiTux: dovecot |
| 19:25.58 | WiFiTux | caphuso: it also requires Maildir's afaik. |
| 19:26.00 | greycat | WiFiTux: mbox format is hideous and decrepit. |
| 19:26.02 | frop | i've got a little problem |
| 19:26.12 | frop | Jan 24 16:06:34 pig kernel: printk: 84 messages suppressed. |
| 19:26.12 | frop | Jan 24 16:06:34 pig kernel: ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 19:26.12 | krumn | greycat but i whant the color too |
| 19:26.16 | greycat | and no, dovecot does not force you to modernize to the 21st century. |
| 19:26.27 | greycat | krumn: ugh. that's beyond plain ASCII, then... |
| 19:26.30 | WiFiTux | greycat: but is it hard to change or is just to install something to provide the support... |
| 19:26.44 | krumn | greycat whell, thx |
| 19:26.46 | greycat | krumn: can you get the screen to redraw itself? If so, you could just capture it using script(1) or something |
| 19:26.48 | caphuso | WiFiTux: well, if i have to choose between reality and what you think you know, i'm going to go with reality |
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| 19:27.18 | caphuso | !info dovecot-imapd |
| 19:27.19 | mwilson | Huh? Dovecot supports all sorts of things. |
| 19:27.20 | dpkg | dovecot-imapd: (A secure IMAP server that supports mbox and maildir mailboxes), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.99.13-3 (sid), Packaged size: 284 kB, Installed size: 572 kB |
| 19:27.22 | Ringo999 | mathieu: ok i didnt select any mountpoint for the 3 gig. now when booting i get Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition? |
| 19:27.31 | mwilson | mbox, maildir, mh, others. |
| 19:27.33 | Ringo999 | what can i do? |
| 19:27.34 | greycat | WiFiTux: 1) make your MTA deliver to ./Maildir/ 2) install an IMAP server that reads ./Maildir/ 3) make your local MUAs (if any) use ./Maildir/ or IMAP |
| 19:27.36 | krumn | greycat i looking a program fb2png |
| 19:27.42 | tkooda | can anyone suggest a fix for a lilo boot error "L 01 01 01..." or "L 40 40 40.." -I'm able to boot using another (temp, /dev/hdb) MBR, but when I run `lilo -v -b /dev/hda -C ./newlilo.conf` it appears to work but I get that lilo error when I tell the bios to boot offa /dev/hda?? -any suggestions? |
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| 19:27.49 | greycat | caphuso: hehe |
| 19:27.51 | Borgon | hello |
| 19:27.57 | ReclusE | I rebooted my system with an init 0 and now the machine hangs at LILO, any suggestions? |
| 19:28.02 | Borgon | When partitioning.. make linux native the primary... and swap primary or make it logical? whats the difference |
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| 19:28.23 | greycat | Borgon: makes no difference |
| 19:28.24 | KimHansen | krumn: Have you looked at /dev/vcs ? |
| 19:28.31 | botox | hi im trying to get also working. using debian testing, 2.6.8 kernel. latest alsa version. I have succesfully loaded the echo mia modules, but alsamixer cant find anything, also lspci -v proclaims the card as disabled.. any ideas? |
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| 19:28.45 | joey_ | Borgon, I once heard someone say that swap should be the last partition on the disk (for speed) |
| 19:28.47 | botox | also/alsa |
| 19:28.51 | tkooda | borgon, you can only have 4 primary, so I make the first three primary (and be sure to boot offa one of the primarys), and the rest logical partitions |
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| 19:28.54 | Borgon | greycat, ok |
| 19:28.58 | si|vercat | greycat, when I try to send an e-mail from commandline using exim -v, it says it sends it fine through the smarthost, but the mail is nowhere to be found.. |
| 19:28.59 | Ringo999 | what does error 17 mean when booting? |
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| 19:29.02 | krumn | KimHansen ? |
| 19:29.10 | WiFiTux | greycat: how is point 1 done? The rest is fine. |
| 19:29.13 | greycat | si|vercat: read the logs |
| 19:29.16 | Ringo999 | system hangs"cannot mount selected partition"? |
| 19:29.18 | greycat | WiFiTux: depends on the MTA |
| 19:29.26 | Borgon | i just did a 5GB / linux and a 358 swap.. with 200 ram sound good? |
| 19:29.28 | WiFiTux | greycat: postfix |
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| 19:29.43 | greycat | ask #postfix if nobody here knows. |
| 19:29.53 | joey_ | si|vercat, try tail /var/log/exim/mainlog to see where it went |
| 19:29.58 | krumn | KimHansen ok, thx |
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| 19:30.13 | WiFiTux | greycat: screw IMAP then. POP3 works fine... :) |
| 19:30.21 | caphuso | better: read the postfix faq |
| 19:30.25 | ReclusE | anyone to assist with boot issues? |
| 19:30.48 | WiFiTux | caphuso: nah... pop3 is fine. |
| 19:31.02 | joey_ | ReclusE, find a bootable Linux (eg. knoppix) and use it to fix your lilo |
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| 19:31.20 | si|vercat | email@address R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost H=s-smtp-osl-02.bluecom.no; completed |
| 19:31.24 | si|vercat | seems fine? |
| 19:31.32 | ReclusE | how do I "find" this bootable disk? with no os to create one? |
| 19:31.40 | lhurgoyf | how can i create new loopback devices such as /dev/loopn |
| 19:31.42 | m0r3 | ok time to me afternoom all |
| 19:31.59 | lhurgoyf | I couldn't succeed with mknod |
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| 19:32.12 | joga | lhurgoyf: losetup? |
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| 19:32.24 | Borgon | hey hey |
| 19:32.34 | Borgon | make /hda1 ext2 or 3? |
| 19:32.41 | joey_ | ReclusE, aren't you using an OS right now? |
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| 19:32.51 | kantai | does anyone know what user /etc/init.d/fetchmail runs as? |
| 19:32.58 | greycat | kantai: root |
| 19:32.59 | Ringo999 | damn. i just reinstalled debian, this time with an addtional 3gb hdisk. when botting up i get the following message: error 17, cannot mount selected partition. :( i got two harddrives, a 3gb and a 30gb, when partitioning i didnt choose a mountpoint for the 3gb |
| 19:33.06 | ReclusE | yeah, can I use XP to create this disk? |
| 19:33.08 | lhurgoyf | joga, i don't any free loopdevice left |
| 19:33.08 | kantai | greycat: ok, thanks |
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| 19:33.32 | joga | lhurgoyf: Hov many have U got? |
| 19:33.35 | asrhg9034 | i just installed debian and installed the gnome gui, how do i open the gui? |
| 19:33.41 | asrhg9034 | im in all text |
| 19:33.44 | lhurgoyf | 8 0 to 7 |
| 19:33.50 | joey_ | ReclusE, you should be able to burn an ISO knoppix CD, or look for smaller boot floppies |
| 19:33.53 | lhurgoyf | 8 (0 to 7) |
| 19:34.10 | joey_ | asrhg9034, startx |
| 19:34.12 | Ringo999 | asrhg9034: do u have an xserver installed? |
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| 19:34.46 | lhurgoyf | i tried with "mknod /dev/loop8 b 7 8" b?t no success |
| 19:34.57 | danny- | can anyone pm me how to get the gui interface with a clean install of debian please? |
| 19:34.57 | directhex | danny-, did you install an x server (apt-get install x-window-system)? |
| 19:35.05 | nvz | alright, well got to take this box down and boot teh new kernel, and build new nvidia modules .. be back shortly. |
| 19:35.30 | greycat | danny-: no, nobody is going to /msg you. |
| 19:35.36 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 19:35.36 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:35.50 | danny- | thanks ill look it over |
| 19:35.57 | danny- | sorry im new to linux |
| 19:36.03 | Borgon | is debian 3.0r4 sarge or woody? |
| 19:36.06 | greycat | woody |
| 19:36.07 | danny- | i read the installation instructions didn't see it |
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| 19:36.19 | ReclusE | joey_ knoppix is rather large for this, is there a quicker way? |
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| 19:36.38 | Pumpkin_Pie | I said boom boom boom |
| 19:36.40 | WiFiTux | danny-: what do you want? |
| 19:36.44 | Pumpkin_Pie | Girl your booty is so fat, Id like you to jiggle that. |
| 19:36.49 | Borgon | greycat, which version is sarge? |
| 19:36.50 | kensai | I have two Hard drives one master and one slave is there a posibility to install debian in both of them and how? |
| 19:37.05 | greycat | Borgon: sarge will be 3.1 |
| 19:37.11 | Pumpkin_Pie | kensai: take one hard drive out |
| 19:37.16 | directhex | Borgon, 3.0 == woody |
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| 19:37.32 | wcs | Hello I have a qustion regarding the apporaite use CNAME's verus A records. I have a domain where I want all the mail to goto mail.stewandclark.com which is running on zeus.stewandclark.com. Is it better to make mail a cname to zeus or to use 2 A records? |
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| 19:37.44 | directhex | !3.0 |
| 19:37.44 | dpkg | [3.0] codenamed woody |
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| 19:37.55 | greycat | wcs: use A records; you're not allowed to deliver to CNAMEs. |
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| 19:38.01 | Borgon | will sarge be stable enough for a production server soon? |
| 19:38.02 | joey_ | ReclusE, there must be but you will have to find it. U could try looking for "linuxcare" or "linux rescue cd" ... |
| 19:38.10 | greycat | Borgon: for some cases of "production", it's ready now. |
| 19:38.15 | directhex | Borgon, when it gets released. the bigger concern is security updates |
| 19:38.16 | ReclusE | k, thanks |
| 19:38.19 | kensai | Pumpkin_Pie, I want to install in both at the same time like a raid is that what is called? |
| 19:38.21 | wcs | greycat cool thanks what about non-mail servers. Like webservers? |
| 19:38.25 | Borgon | gotcha |
| 19:38.28 | Thor- | I have problems with apache and mod proxy beeing slow. would upgrading to apache2 have any speed effects. anyone know? |
| 19:38.31 | wnorrix | soapclient: Error: CURL Extension, or OpenSSL extension w/ PHP version >= 4.3 is required for HTTPS a error im getting when im using PHP Soap over SSL? |
| 19:38.38 | greycat | wcs: if you don't send mail to them, then it doesn't matter. |
| 19:38.49 | LoRez | Thor-: try #apache |
| 19:38.51 | wnorrix | k |
| 19:38.52 | Pumpkin_Pie | kensai: no raid is bug spray.. what you're looking for is called adhd |
| 19:38.55 | wcs | greycat there isn't any request to be saved or anything? |
| 19:39.09 | greycat | wcs: salvation is outside the scope of #debian |
| 19:39.09 | Pumpkin_Pie | kensai: you want ADHD ? |
| 19:39.14 | moshii | kensai: you could use LVM to make both disks into "one big disk" |
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| 19:39.22 | Thor- | LoRez: trying there too :-) |
| 19:39.30 | kensai | moshii, thats what I want |
| 19:39.30 | lhurgoyf | joga, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/CDServer-HOWTO/addloops.html |
| 19:39.30 | LoRez | Thor-: then don't try here. |
| 19:39.40 | lhurgoyf | joga, thanks anyway |
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| 19:39.58 | pipeline | kensai: Performance will be very, very bad using two drives on the same chain with RAID-0. You definitely want LVM instead. |
| 19:40.02 | wcs | greycat fair enough. I just love debian use it for everything and knew somebody who new more about dns than me might be willing to help. Thanks allot for the information you did give |
| 19:40.03 | wcs | me |
| 19:40.05 | moshii | kensai: I think the new debian installer will handle LVM for you, I've never tried it howver |
| 19:40.12 | PuGz | what are people opinions on ubuntu? |
| 19:40.22 | greycat | PuGz: not Debian. Off topic. |
| 19:40.40 | danny- | can anyone tell me how to get the gui interface up with a clean install of debian please? |
| 19:40.40 | kensai | moshii and pipeline, how I make this LVM thing? |
| 19:40.42 | PuGz | i know... cant we even discuss it? or is that banned? i dont know... |
| 19:40.46 | pipeline | PuGz: Ask #ubuntu. |
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| 19:40.49 | WiFiTux | !ubuntusmite PuGz |
| 19:40.51 | greycat | danny-: the FAQ didn't say to install x-window-system? |
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| 19:40.56 | PuGz | pipeline: i wanted your opinions! |
| 19:41.06 | danny- | i dont know what that is |
| 19:41.09 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:41.10 | pipeline | kensai: In the installer, go into the disk partitioner, wipe the disk, and choose "configure RAID and LVM" |
| 19:41.12 | danny- | i read the guidlines for channel rules |
| 19:41.16 | kensai | PuGz, ubuntu is not debian |
| 19:41.27 | WiFiTux | danny-: man apt-get and get over it. |
| 19:41.30 | PuGz | kensai: thanks... no body had told me that! |
| 19:41.49 | directhex | why is this still a problem? |
| 19:41.51 | PuGz | so, no opinions? |
| 19:41.54 | ReclusE | Anyone, how can I quickly fix my LILO? |
| 19:41.59 | directhex | <directhex> danny-, did you install an x server (apt-get install x-window-system)? |
| 19:42.05 | kensai | pipeline, thanks, is there anything I need to do with my HDD being connected together or something? |
| 19:42.05 | directhex | 7 minutes ago. |
| 19:42.07 | pipeline | PuGz: You see, this channel is #debian. Debian is not ubuntu, therefore my opinion of ubuntu is that you should go to #ubuntu :P |
| 19:42.09 | greycat | ReclusE: boot rescue disk, chroot into your real root fs, run "lilo" |
| 19:42.10 | PuGz | ReclusE: wat is quickly wrong with it? |
| 19:42.18 | moshii | PuGz: I think the way Debian is called Debian and Ubuntu is called Ubutu makes it pretty clear ;) |
| 19:42.25 | greycat | (after checking lilo.conf) |
| 19:42.36 | moshii | s/Ubutu/Ubuntu ~_^ |
| 19:42.41 | ReclusE | I did an init 0 and the machine now locks on boot |
| 19:42.52 | danny- | i installed the gnome option that said it was the gui, and i checked the "desktop box" on the previous screen |
| 19:42.52 | pipeline | kensai: To get better performance, you should put each hard drive on a separate IDE cable. |
| 19:43.07 | joga | lhurgoyf: You to increase the max of 8 is to modify the MAX_LOOP in loop.c within the kernel source |
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| 19:43.14 | moshii | pipeline: for most people having drives on the same channel isn't a problem |
| 19:43.19 | ReclusE | greycat, what if the os wont boot? |
| 19:43.20 | pipeline | kensai: Also, read http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/anatomy.html so that you know what you're doing. Short version: You want to create a "physical volume" on each hard drive, then put both "physical volumes" into one "volume group" |
| 19:43.26 | greycat | ReclusE: the rescue disk won't boot? |
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| 19:43.34 | kensai | pipeline, thanks I'll try to see if I don't mess up my debian installation to fail at the end |
| 19:43.35 | tolle | hmms, accessing my mail by imap was extremly slow, and then my mail.err log contained alot of "Jan 24 20:44:44 localhost imaplogin: Error reading ACLs for INBOX..ibex.index.data: Invalid argument" messages. Anyone has any idea what might cause it? |
| 19:43.37 | ReclusE | um, I dont have one....hehe? |
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| 19:43.44 | moshii | pipeline: unless doing so breaks DMA like on my system ~_^ |
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| 19:43.53 | greycat | tolle: sounds like file system corruption |
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| 19:43.59 | PuGz | bloody hell people... my opinion would be that they would be biased... so i thought i'd asked some other people that used a similar distro... see, i dont know anybody else that uses linux, so i am forced to go to irc channels and stuff to learn about it... but it becomes hard when everyone responds with the same shit... i didnt ask wats its features were, or how to fix it... just wat it was like... not help... an opinion! |
| 19:44.00 | pipeline | moshii: That's idiocy; in an lvm setup, how could you ever avoid inadvertantly copying from one drive to the other? |
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| 19:44.16 | directhex | danny-, right. i think i see, though you're doing VERY well at giving out as little information as you can. try logging in as root, and typing '/etc/init.d/gdm start' |
| 19:44.18 | pipeline | moshii: The average case for two drives on one channel is not great. The worst case is both common and extremely bad for performance. |
| 19:44.31 | tolle | greycat: oh... |
| 19:44.34 | pipeline | moshii: We're talking ~1M/s on ATA66 drives. |
| 19:44.44 | kensai | PuGz, We want to keep our mos dissapointment of 2004 ;) |
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| 19:45.05 | pipeline | kensai: As long as you know what you're doing, you shouldn't have any trouble figuring out how to do it. It's the first part that sucks. |
| 19:45.16 | danny- | directhex: alrite brb, its my first lunix install so im not being vague on purpose |
| 19:45.24 | ReclusE | greycat, can I create a boot disk from the install disks? |
| 19:45.25 | tuxero | hi, somebody can help me with iptables ? |
| 19:45.30 | krumn | KimHansen i found it!! |
| 19:45.34 | greycat | ReclusE: the install disk *is* the rescue disk, usually. |
| 19:45.38 | krumn | KimHansen fb2png |
| 19:45.43 | pipeline | kensai: Here's what you're doing. First, you dedicate sections of the disks to LVM: these are the "physical volumes" |
| 19:45.45 | moshii | pipeline: copying between ATA100 drives on the same channel here is quite fast, never as low as 1M/s! |
| 19:45.54 | krumn | KimHansen do you whant it? |
| 19:46.05 | kensai | pipeline, thanks I run debian SID in one of the HDD bu the other has nothing in it so I want it to share debian too |
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| 19:46.08 | ReclusE | so if I boot to my cd I should be able to recover the system? |
| 19:46.09 | KimHansen | krumn: No, I don't use framebuffer |
| 19:46.16 | krumn | KimHansen ok |
| 19:46.17 | pipeline | kensai: Then you tie the various PV's into a "volume group" |
| 19:46.24 | joga | Does debian use a vanilla kernel so I can download and compile 2.6.10 and everything is fine? |
| 19:46.27 | tuxero | hi, somebody can help me with iptables ? |
| 19:46.35 | pipeline | kensai: Then you create "logical volumes" on the "volume group" device -- the logical volumes are what you format, just like you would partitions. |
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| 19:46.41 | joga | tuxero: Whats the prob? |
| 19:46.42 | jetscreamer | yes joga and it's precompiled to |
| 19:46.45 | pipeline | joga: You could, but you don't want to. |
| 19:46.45 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:46.51 | ReclusE | greycat, so if I boot to my cd I should be able to recover the system? |
| 19:46.56 | joga | pipeline: Why not? |
| 19:46.57 | nvz | yeehaw! 0 - Microsoft Sidewinder! |
| 19:47.02 | npx | Anyone ever tried using xcopy in windows? it's the funniest shit I've ever seen |
| 19:47.03 | jetscreamer | ReclusE, yes esp a woody cd |
| 19:47.16 | npx | you have to supply it with ~6 arguments to copy a directory and subdirectories |
| 19:47.16 | jetscreamer | xcopy /e /v |
| 19:47.18 | ReclusE | whats a woody cd? |
| 19:47.20 | tuxero | i need to construct a DMZ and i search the web, probing many scripts and nothing happends :(,. PS:::: sorry my english :S |
| 19:47.21 | nvz | when you want a kernel that works right, you just got to roll one yourself |
| 19:47.22 | pipeline | joga: If you do that, you lose all the benefits of Debian's elaborate module and kernel packaging systems. I've been using a Debian-made kernel for nearly a year, and I'm quite happy with it. I don't think I'll ever compile a kernel again. |
| 19:47.24 | kensai | pipeline, thanks |
| 19:47.25 | greycat | npx: you mean in DOS? sure, I've done it. |
| 19:47.25 | jetscreamer | no just one |
| 19:47.28 | npx | and maintain permissions |
| 19:47.28 | jetscreamer | e |
| 19:47.42 | tolle | greycat: would the filesystem corruption be at the drive where the mails are or where the commands to check them are? |
| 19:47.44 | pipeline | joga: If you're obsessed with compiling your own kernel, I suggest you look into using make-kpkg |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | tolle: fsck *all* of them. Just to be sure. |
| 19:48.01 | tuxero | joga : can U help me ?. |
| 19:48.05 | pipeline | joga: Which, while it's a pain in the ass, allows you to leverage Debian's excelent packaging tools. |
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| 19:48.23 | joga | pipeline: OK, never tried Deb, only used slack and freebsd. Does Deb use bsd init scripts? |
| 19:48.24 | pipeline | tuxero: What is your first language? There are debian channels for many non-english languages. |
| 19:48.25 | kensai | I love you dpkg |
| 19:48.37 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets, and see also make-kpkg --initrd |
| 19:48.48 | tuxero | pipeline : spanish, |
| 19:48.49 | greycat | !punish pipeline for using leverage as a verb |
| 19:48.52 | pipeline | joga: Debian uses SysV init, but it's a hoax -- all of the runlevels are identical. |
| 19:49.00 | joga | tuxero: What do you wander 'bout? |
| 19:49.14 | jetscreamer | !spanish |
| 19:49.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:49.29 | pipeline | greycat: Main Entry: 2leverage |
| 19:49.29 | pipeline | Function: transitive verb |
| 19:49.29 | pipeline | Inflected Form(s): -aged; -ag?ing |
| 19:49.29 | pipeline | : to provide (as a corporation) or supplement (as money) with leverage; also : to enhance as if by supplying with financial leverage |
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| 19:49.37 | ReclusE | can anyone tell me how I can fix my LILO boot record? |
| 19:49.41 | tuxero | thankz guys :).. |
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| 19:49.48 | joga | pipeline: Hmmm. Maybe people prefering to download and compile source should stick with slack...... |
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| 19:50.11 | Knight_Lord | joga gentoo actually |
| 19:50.11 | pipeline | joga: Perhaps. I consider compiling a kernel to be a pointless chore. |
| 19:50.13 | faw | joga, or LFS |
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| 19:50.34 | greycat | !punish pipeline for using leverage as a verb in a flood |
| 19:50.38 | joga | faw: I reinstal far to often ;-) |
| 19:50.42 | jetscreamer | all i do is compile my own kernel, don't use stock here |
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| 19:51.01 | nvz | I built 2.6.10 for the P4 and 2.4.29 for the PIII. I didnt realize there were separate arch options for PIII and P4. so I just built one each. instead of choosing something else and making it compatible with both |
| 19:51.06 | pipeline | joga: I was pretty happy with FreeBSD on the desktop; I moved to Debian partly for improved GL drivers (for videogames) and mostl yfor the superior package system. |
| 19:51.11 | joga | Knight_Lord: gento uses bsd init? |
| 19:51.37 | moshii | nvz: I think the P4 option is basically the same as PIII anyways .. |
| 19:52.03 | danny- | I have a clean install of the newest version of debian and want to use the gnome interface, how can i do that? |
| 19:52.07 | Knight_Lord | joga ah, sorry i don't know you where talking about bsd init |
| 19:52.09 | jetscreamer | the p2 option fucked me up once when it came out |
| 19:52.09 | pipeline | joga: SysV init isn't as bad as it looks at first. You just dump things in /etc/init.d instead of /etc/rc.d, then make a symlink. It's aided by the fact that debian only has two runlevels: Single and multiuser. |
| 19:52.13 | jharrisonwk | did someone say gentoo? |
| 19:52.18 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gnome of course |
| 19:52.18 | pipeline | !gentooitis |
| 19:52.19 | dpkg | from memory, gentooitis is a mental disorder which causes the sufferer to feel a constant craving for ever-higher version numbers, despite any warnings of bugs, problems, incompatibilities or other obstacles to productivity. Sufferers will often spend hours or days recompiling perfectly good packages for no benefit. Other symptoms include the use of mysql in place of ordinary text files, or the use of XML in any context whatsoever. |
| 19:52.23 | dvs | danny-: apt-get install gnome |
| 19:52.34 | pipeline | danny-: apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 19:52.45 | tuxero | danny- apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 19:52.52 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get install x-window-system |
| 19:52.54 | pipeline | danny-: If you do "apt-get install gnome," it installs about twice as much stuff as just installing "gnome-desktop-environment" :P |
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| 19:53.02 | jharrisonwk | well I was pretty sure I havent smoked any crack today |
| 19:53.05 | ReclusE | is there a generic boot-floopy for debian systems? |
| 19:53.07 | jharrisonwk | and I seem to be correct |
| 19:53.24 | greycat | ReclusE: there are floppy images on the CDs and on the web mirrors |
| 19:53.24 | dvs | why go halfway. Install it all!!! |
| 19:53.25 | jetscreamer | yes you make the boot floppy in the installer usually |
| 19:53.29 | pipeline | ReclusE: No, because Debian runs on eleven architectures. |
| 19:53.38 | greycat | ReclusE: read the (woody) install guide to see where... or /msg dpkg bf |
| 19:53.44 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: it does not |
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| 19:54.37 | pipeline | jharrisonwk: I was wrong. It's actually 12. |
| 19:54.56 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: it does not |
| 19:54.57 | ReclusE | I think I'm gonna give myself that full frontal labotomy now |
| 19:55.06 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: you cant count the 2 that are not offically released yet |
| 19:55.07 | pipeline | jharrisonwk: http://www.debian.org/ports/ begs to differ |
| 19:55.20 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: im not going to look at that link just so you know |
| 19:55.24 | pipeline | jharrisonwk: My exact statement was "debian runs on 11 architectures." I said nothing about a particular link. |
| 19:55.27 | nvz | oh well both kernels booted, but the P4 with 2.6.10 isnt able to find eth0. even with tulip loaded =P who knows whats wrong there |
| 19:55.29 | pipeline | jharrisonwk: Err, particular release. |
| 19:55.46 | greycat | nvz: does 2.4 work? |
| 19:55.47 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: it runs on 10 and 2 are waiting for a release |
| 19:56.09 | takatumi | nvz: try eth1 |
| 19:56.10 | pipeline | jharrisonwk: If you're going to nitpick, then eleven is still correct, since mips and mipsel are separate archs (even though they're the same port) |
| 19:56.15 | danny- | when i type apt-get insatll gnome i get this error message "E: could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 permission denied) |
| 19:56.18 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: so any way you look at it 11 is incorrect and now dpkg will beat you |
| 19:56.25 | greycat | danny-: be root. |
| 19:56.29 | nvz | greycat: yeah the PIII with 2.4.29 works fine, got the nvidia modules built and all, but the P4 that was also using 2.4.27-1-686 before all this, and the tulip driver, no longer has network |
| 19:56.29 | jetscreamer | danny-, as root |
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| 19:56.39 | greycat | !tell nvz about works in 2.4 |
| 19:56.41 | danny- | i think i am in root, how do i make sur ei am? |
| 19:56.45 | jharrisonwk | !punish pipeline for claiming debian runs on 11 arcs |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | danny-: run "id" |
| 19:56.50 | jetscreamer | danny, type su in console |
| 19:57.02 | danny- | id or su? |
| 19:57.05 | jetscreamer | to become root i mean |
| 19:57.07 | jharrisonwk | pipeline: dont mind me im just bored |
| 19:57.08 | jetscreamer | id |
| 19:57.09 | greycat | danny-: man id; man su |
| 19:57.10 | nvz | greycat: heh, I forgot about that. If I knew you were just collecting I would have ignored you |
| 19:57.13 | jetscreamer | then become root with su |
| 19:57.57 | nvz | !yinzersmite greycat |
| 19:58.00 | ReclusE | ok my machine hangs at LI_ when I boot it, so you all are telling me I have to somehow get a recovery disk to fix this, right? |
| 19:58.35 | jetscreamer | ReclusE, what i do when that happens is boot my woody cd with rescue root=/dev/hda1 and then rerun lilo |
| 19:58.44 | jetscreamer | yes that's how you fix that |
| 19:58.45 | nvz | I didn't even mention earlier when bragging about my smite, that its also sensitive to gender, and not gender specific |
| 19:58.55 | jetscreamer | !smitesmite nvz |
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| 19:59.05 | greycat | nvz: but it's sensitive to plurality |
| 19:59.09 | ReclusE | ok, I'll try that....will it retian my system as it is? |
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| 19:59.23 | greycat | !yinzersmite Alice and Bob |
| 19:59.38 | jetscreamer | ReclusE, yes it will be just the same.. you will get funny errors on boot but ignore them (modules) |
| 19:59.41 | jetscreamer | then reboot |
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| 19:59.54 | nvz | greycat: yeah well it does still need work.. comming up with smites in pittsburghese isnt easy you know |
| 19:59.56 | jetscreamer | modules not found with the rescue cd i mean |
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| 20:00.17 | greycat | nvz: yeah, the plurality one is a bitch to work around without either repeating $1 a second time, or using a (wrong) pronoun |
| 20:00.21 | ReclusE | Ok, Thanks a ton! I'll be back to give an update! |
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| 20:00.27 | greycat | nvz: one of the best ones I've come up with in that respect is the "stab" one |
| 20:00.29 | greycat | !stab nz |
| 20:00.35 | greycat | +v |
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| 20:00.43 | Manny | hi |
| 20:00.54 | Manny | what package do I need to get the latex document class article? |
| 20:02.18 | nvz | greycat: well the best illistration of how the yinzersmite is to be used is "pahds $1 for behavin like an ig'nernt yinzer, n not mindin his/her bidness." |
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| 20:03.41 | cureless | Manny, tetex-base |
| 20:03.46 | greycat | nvz: the only workaround that comes to mind is something like '... tells $1 "Mind yer own bidness!"' |
| 20:04.19 | takatumi | or 'em |
| 20:04.22 | nvz | greycat: the thing I was going for late last night when I made that.. was to have big complete sentances, and try to use all slang. |
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| 20:04.46 | greycat | nvz: you can't use pronouns. that's the hard part. |
| 20:05.25 | Benix | Hi @ll |
| 20:05.34 | nvz | greycat: yeah. I noticed. |
| 20:05.53 | Manny | cureless hrm installed |
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| 20:06.09 | Myren | whats the enviornmental variable for library path? |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | LD_LIBRARY_PATH and so on. |
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| 20:06.18 | greycat | man ldconfig, man ld.so |
| 20:06.20 | Manny | lyx complains about the lack of the document class article |
| 20:06.30 | cureless | Manny, usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls is in tetex-base, try tetex-extra or see what config you have |
| 20:06.35 | nvz | greycat: my pittsburghese isnt so good, I could only come up with like 20 or so nouns, 12 or so verbs..etc and I was just trying to use just this short list of words to make random smites. as my vocabulary develops I will be able to fix it. |
| 20:07.06 | Manny | cureless it is in place |
| 20:07.11 | Manny | cureless where do I output my config? |
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| 20:07.19 | danny- | i got "couldn't find package gnome" when i tried "apt-get install gnome" any suggestions? |
| 20:07.22 | Manny | is that an RTFM question? |
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| 20:07.30 | nvz | I havent been to da 'Berg in years.. its hard to remember how they talk when you arent hearing it every day |
| 20:07.31 | Manny | danny- apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:07.43 | baroni | Could anyone inform me a public dns? my isp is bugged |
| 20:07.53 | Benix | danny: apt-get update before |
| 20:08.02 | greycat | baroni: if you got *here* you can do at least some sort of lookups... |
| 20:08.10 | cureless | Manny, hold on, lemme check my setup, no it wasn't a RTFM. I just reinstalled 'cause my hd crashed and I haven't finished all my config. |
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| 20:08.25 | Manny | cureless ok thanks a million! :) |
| 20:08.29 | Myren | is there something like ldconfig for pkg-config? |
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| 20:09.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: enjoyaolify nvz |
| 20:09.04 | baroni | greycat: I did this, but the problem is accessing gmail. It is at the same server that google, and I do not get reach it |
| 20:09.16 | FieldySnuts | whoa. bzflag 2 is out? |
| 20:09.24 | Myren | i was about to tyupe the same |
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| 20:09.48 | greycat | baroni: since you have rudimentary lookups *now*, you can just install your own caching name resolver and use that. |
| 20:09.49 | FieldySnuts | sweet |
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| 20:09.55 | Manny | re |
| 20:09.57 | Manny | lol, BitchX crashed |
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| 20:10.23 | nvz | FieldySnuts: its only in sid so far |
| 20:10.56 | baroni | greycat: like what? |
| 20:11.04 | nvz | FieldySnuts: SDL joystick support, tabbed console with bigger fonts.. I havent even played yet and I noticed a lot of improvements |
| 20:11.06 | greycat | baroni: like bind or any of the others |
| 20:11.26 | nvz | I owe Tim Riker some beer |
| 20:11.41 | Myren | what about pixel shaders? ;) |
| 20:11.45 | baroni | greycat: uhm.. wouldn't be a very time consuming configurating a bind? |
| 20:11.59 | FieldySnuts | baroni: not for caching only |
| 20:11.59 | nvz | heh there are lots of new gfx improvements from what I can see in the display options |
| 20:12.01 | Myren | CTF is in fact the greatest game ever created |
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| 20:12.16 | greycat | one would hope that Debian's maintainers have their heads sufficiently far outside their rectums to make it a working caching-only resolver by default... |
| 20:12.19 | Myren | you can play it almost anywhere |
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| 20:12.38 | nvz | Myren: there are settings in 2.0 for rain, treads..etc |
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| 20:12.46 | nvz | so there must be changes in gfx |
| 20:12.47 | cureless | Manny, hmm, works for me with tetex-base, -bin and -extra. |
| 20:12.53 | cmartine | anyone know of a program to check for mouse device? snoop for /dev/psaux ? |
| 20:13.09 | greycat | cmartine: why? |
| 20:13.11 | baroni | FieldySnuts, greycat : thanks, I'll do this.. |
| 20:13.12 | cmartine | its not working on XFree86 4 on sarge |
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| 20:13.19 | baroni | greycat: true |
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| 20:13.46 | cmartine | I ran XFree86 -configure and test it out and I keep getting an error for Mouse0 |
| 20:13.55 | greycat | cmartine: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 20:15.27 | nvz | oh well I got my 10 buttons mapped, here goes =P |
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| 20:16.32 | cureless | Manny, and by works I mean running latex, not lyx. So you might want to check your lyx config |
| 20:16.33 | nvz | damn I'm getting heavy lag |
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| 20:16.52 | Manny | cureless how do you check that? |
| 20:17.01 | Manny | how do you find out whether it recignizes the class? |
| 20:17.06 | Manny | you create a doc?# |
| 20:17.12 | FieldySnuts | one question at a time? |
| 20:17.14 | FieldySnuts | nevermind |
| 20:17.16 | cureless | Manny, the config in lyx? I don't know. Can you run latex on a .tex file? |
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| 20:17.40 | Manny | curre |
| 20:17.42 | Manny | cureless re |
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| 20:17.50 | cureless | Manny, create a .tex file, run latex. |
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| 20:18.40 | [-Gon-] | i have problems with apt, |
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| 20:19.26 | cureless | it never returns your calls? |
| 20:19.52 | edon | how should I remove a meta package like gnome? |
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| 20:19.59 | npx | =D |
| 20:20.01 | [-Gon-] | alo |
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| 20:20.48 | greycat | !remove gnome |
| 20:20.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 20:21.03 | Rawplayer | !upgrade sendmail |
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| 20:21.38 | cmartine | is there a way to test /dev/psaux X didnt not reconfigure properly |
| 20:21.56 | cmartine | is there a way to check on dmesg? |
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| 20:23.32 | cureless | cmartine, does your kernel support the mouse? |
| 20:23.41 | Borgon | wow i guess apt-get is a very good installer |
| 20:24.00 | greycat | cmartine: is it a 2.6.x kernel? if so, /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 20:24.03 | jetscreamer | dselect > * |
| 20:24.06 | Borgon | Does apt-get uninstall or upgrade things, installed indepently from src? |
| 20:24.08 | Manny | cureless ok thanks for your help. I just had to wipe out my lyx conf |
| 20:24.13 | greycat | Borgon: no |
| 20:24.22 | cureless | Manny, no prob. |
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| 20:24.29 | Manny | it did an initial hosed init before latex was installed |
| 20:24.46 | jetscreamer | borgon not really unless it's debianized... like a custom kernel would show up if you did it with make-kpkg |
| 20:25.22 | cmartine | cureless: hummmm, dont know , Im running 2.6.8-1-686 stock upgrade kernel |
| 20:25.55 | jetscreamer | modprobe psmouse && modprobe mousedev, it's one of those, cmartine |
| 20:26.08 | jetscreamer | psmouse i think |
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| 20:26.14 | Borgon | jetscreamer, ok |
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| 20:26.42 | cmartine | thats it greycat! thanks! |
| 20:26.46 | greycat | or he could read dpkg's 2.6 mouse factoid like I already suggested |
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| 20:27.07 | jetscreamer | yeah maybe eh :) |
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| 20:27.25 | jetscreamer | speaking of, is that bug filed ? |
| 20:27.51 | jetscreamer | and what would it be against, discover? |
| 20:28.04 | jetscreamer | or d-i in general |
| 20:28.10 | Borgon | jetscreamer, am going to be setting up vds or vps, and i wanted to know an easy way to manage lamp for new commers |
| 20:28.32 | nvz | damn, that bzflag 2.0 will only run on this pc with _everything_ shut off .. I wonder if I broke something on here :P |
| 20:28.41 | jetscreamer | borgon, i've barely set up my vps account on my webhost, no idea :) |
| 20:28.48 | npx | hahaha |
| 20:28.55 | npx | bzflag is some intense shit man |
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| 20:29.29 | nvz | I could run 1.10 with all teh shading and everything. I have to turn everything completly off to even be able to move in 2.0 |
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| 20:30.12 | takatumi | you must be a sitting duck then. |
| 20:30.16 | Borgon | jetscreamer, i am new myself to it, so am testing debian on vmware with xen... main thing i want is easy management so am thinking of a custom webmin theme with virtualmin ... |
| 20:30.18 | npx | =D |
| 20:30.29 | npx | debian on vmware...with xen?! |
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| 20:31.10 | Borgon | jetscreamer, but it would really be nice to have prep up or preinstall/configured basic servers ready to run |
| 20:31.10 | Borgon | npx, yes? |
| 20:31.10 | Borgon | npx, its just for testing purposes to see how the virtualization will work out etc |
| 20:31.19 | tolle | greycat: Strange, fsck doesn't report any errors... |
| 20:31.32 | tolle | greycat: ohwell, I'll keep on googling |
| 20:31.36 | npx | I'll tell you how it will work out: slowly |
| 20:31.38 | nvz | well for one thing the sidewinder seems to have some feces under the dpad stopping it from moving up.. but I am getting sever warnings my lagh is too high unless I turn all gfx off |
| 20:31.58 | npx | I told you not to stick the sidewinder in there |
| 20:32.09 | npx | but the force feedback was just *TOO MUCH* to resist, huh? |
| 20:32.11 | cureless | you mean "up there" |
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| 20:32.28 | npx | whichever you prefer |
| 20:32.31 | nvz | npx: well you make me a driver for the RadioShack Playstation USB adapter |
| 20:32.47 | npx | only if you let me, err, borrow your sidewinder |
| 20:32.52 | nvz | this sidewinder sucks ass |
| 20:32.54 | npx | =D |
| 20:33.33 | nvz | just like any other microsoft controller its uncomfortable and badly designed |
| 20:33.46 | npx | What? the sidewinder is pretty comfy imo |
| 20:33.50 | npx | I played mechwarrior with one for ages |
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| 20:34.11 | nvz | yeah right. the Playstation Controller is way better |
| 20:34.12 | npx | I've used $120 saitek joysticks, and they weren't any more comfortable than the old sidewinder I had |
| 20:34.24 | BucWheat | how do i configure apt-get for use behind a proxy ? |
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| 20:34.34 | MobyTurbo | nvz: the MS "dove bar" mouse wasn't all that bad, for a mouse. At the time trackballs were the best. |
| 20:34.42 | npx | It doesn't have a throttle, it doesn't let me torso twist with ease, and it doesn't have enough buttons for mechwarrior 4 |
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| 20:35.00 | nvz | MobyTurbo: mice arent the same thing. those are pointing devices not controllers |
| 20:35.19 | BucWheat | i keep getting Something wicked happened resolving 'ftp.us.debian.org:http' (-3) |
| 20:35.21 | nvz | its a whole different class of human interface devices |
| 20:35.31 | BucWheat | for all of my servers |
| 20:35.33 | npx | the ms intellimouse optical is, also, a damned nice mouse |
| 20:35.40 | cureless | BucWheat, man apt.conf |
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| 20:35.43 | nvz | my nvidia info seems good.. I dont think its anything I fucked up |
| 20:35.54 | nvz | I am gonna have to get that dell fixed, its got better video |
| 20:36.03 | BucWheat | cureless k. thanks |
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| 20:36.18 | npx | any geforce from the past 3 years should be able to run bzflag at ~100fps |
| 20:36.30 | MobyTurbo | I love my optical mouse, no going back to the filthy mouseball of mechanical mice |
| 20:36.34 | cureless | "gonna have to get that dell fixed", is that like neutered? |
| 20:36.41 | nvz | this card does about 60fps on say amagetron or bzflag 1.10 |
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| 20:37.26 | dvs | MobyTurbo: damn right ;-) |
| 20:37.34 | nvz | the dell got a 5200FX Ultra and gets several hundred fps on games |
| 20:37.50 | nvz | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) |
| 20:37.53 | npx | yah my ti4200 runs everything I've thrown at it pretty well |
| 20:37.59 | nvz | thats what this damn HP has onboard |
| 20:38.17 | npx | those work pretty well for 2D |
| 20:38.18 | MobyTurbo | my HP has a TNT2 M64, consider yourself lucky. |
| 20:38.25 | nvz | it plays super tux, amagetron, and stuff like that for the kid |
| 20:38.34 | npx | and shit the tnt2 will run q3/half-life really well |
| 20:38.51 | nvz | its not handling bzflag 2.0, so a lot has changed apperently |
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| 20:39.05 | npx | it just doesn't have that fancy hardware T&L/shader stuff |
| 20:39.13 | MobyTurbo | I've played the RTCW demo before on it, and it is slow but decent with that. I imagine q3 would be OK |
| 20:39.13 | nvz | it used to play 1.10 with all the experimental stuff on just fine |
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| 20:39.24 | npx | with nvclock tho you can get wicked performance out of a tnt2, they overclock very nicely |
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| 20:39.42 | nvz | I dont know shite about this stuff |
| 20:39.53 | npx | not much to know nvz |
| 20:39.54 | KD6PAG | Q: Any idea which *modern* wireless PCMCIA cards are LINUX-friendly? 'Haven't found any locally (just cards which used to work in previous revs but chipset's been changed w/o changing model number). |
| 20:40.31 | jetscreamer | KD6PAG, http://scyld.com/network.html has some stuff to check out |
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| 20:40.39 | KD6PAG | Q: Alternately, what about reputable on-line retailers who know LINUX? |
| 20:40.40 | npx | bus speed * clock multiplier = mhz, directx 9 compatibility is the shit but dx8 compat is workable (dx8/9 compat is just a shorthand way of referring to hardware T&L and hardware shading abilities, respectively) |
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| 20:40.48 | Mike | anyone knows if theres a debian package for a perl module containin BB_INTERFACE.pm |
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| 20:41.08 | npx | Mike, packages.debian.org knows |
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| 20:41.40 | tchmnkyz | hey all i am trying to setup ipv6 on my box and to add to a interface in /etc/network/interfaces do i add a second decloration for the int such as eth0 but listed as a ipv6 or is there a way to do ipv4 and 6 in the same decloration? |
| 20:41.46 | caoilte | hi, can anyone tell me if it's possible to hook my line-in up to my lineout and thus get my speakers to play what's going into my sound card (the tv card as it happens)? |
| 20:41.49 | npx | I think all debian browsers should come with a shortcut for p.d.o (I.E. pdo: package in konqueror, whatever the equivalent is in mozilla & firefox) |
| 20:41.59 | npx | that'd be cool, I wouldn't have to make them all the time |
| 20:42.10 | jetscreamer | caoilte, all i can tell you is d-i sets it up seperate |
| 20:42.15 | MobyTurbo | !possible |
| 20:42.16 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 20:42.17 | KD6PAG | j.s.: Looking... |
| 20:42.36 | MobyTurbo | npx: why when there's apt-cache? |
| 20:42.38 | caoilte | jetscreamer: d-i? |
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| 20:42.54 | npx | MobyTurbo To check what's in versions other than the one you're using? |
| 20:42.57 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 20:42.57 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 20:43.22 | MobyTurbo | npx: I don't need that information often, except when answering questions on IRC. |
| 20:43.31 | caoilte | jetscreamer: why should that effect line-in/line-out? |
| 20:43.46 | npx | But, really, for convenience - pdo: whatever is in a new tab is quicker/easier than apt-cache |
| 20:43.54 | npx | and it lets me sort through the info a bit faster |
| 20:44.19 | MobyTurbo | npx: maybe calling up a webpage for you is faster, I'm on dial-up. :-P |
| 20:44.19 | npx | s/whatever is/whatever/ |
| 20:44.28 | jetscreamer | caoilte, oops, that was for tchmnkyz |
| 20:44.42 | npx | MobyTurbo Me too =P p.d.o is fast for me, I guess cuz it's mostly text |
| 20:45.03 | tchmnkyz | jetscreamer, i got it already installed |
| 20:45.10 | tchmnkyz | i need to add it after the fact |
| 20:45.14 | KD6PAG | Alas, 'scyld.com' does not seem to cover wireless compatability. |
| 20:45.20 | tchmnkyz | this install was done like 6 months ago |
| 20:45.34 | jetscreamer | seperate |
| 20:46.01 | spdf | MobyTurbo, Not exactly turbo then are you? ; |
| 20:46.06 | jetscreamer | damn... my track record is suckin today. |
| 20:46.13 | spdf | MobyTurbo, Better give that smiley a mouth! ) |
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| 20:46.52 | KD6PAG | Hey, if there were an easy answer, i probably wouldn't be asking here... |
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| 20:47.09 | ribnitz | hello there. |
| 20:47.27 | MobyTurbo | spdf: MobyTurbo is the name of a mode of ZMODEM-90, commonly used for transfering files on dial-up BBSs back in the day, so it's appropriate. |
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| 20:47.49 | spdf | MobyTurbo, Ahh...Schooled.. |
| 20:47.49 | Scheme | how can I use lilo inetad of grub for my boot loader? |
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| 20:47.57 | tarzeau | Scheme: instal lilo, run it |
| 20:48.15 | ribnitz | Scheme: install lilo, remove grub.. why would you want to, btw? |
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| 20:48.33 | Scheme | I am more familiar with lilo. |
| 20:49.04 | xabier98 | hi |
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| 20:49.24 | Wekkel | getting pr0n messages from TaLiA___ |
| 20:49.24 | ribnitz | Scheme: so?- grub is not that hard to grasp |
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| 20:49.35 | xabier98 | how can i change wm that runs on vncserver |
| 20:49.41 | mirak | hi |
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| 20:49.56 | mirak | is there somekind of web tunneling via mail ? |
| 20:49.59 | FieldySnuts | xabier98: edit the init file in ~/.vnc/ I think |
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| 20:50.12 | FieldySnuts | xabier98: same format as xinitrc (man) |
| 20:50.18 | mirak | I have heard of a proxy that sends back web pages when you mail him the adress |
| 20:50.19 | ribnitz | mirak: you can tunnel anything over every port. |
| 20:50.32 | Wekkel | getting more spam from TaLiA___ |
| 20:50.36 | xabier98 | ok |
| 20:50.37 | niktaris | TaLiA___, suggesting porn ?!?! |
| 20:50.41 | xabier98 | thanks |
| 20:50.45 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: porn? |
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| 20:51.00 | BucWheat | hrmm... how can i configure apt-get ? i have no apt.conf file but yet apt-get works? I just need to add my proxy info to apt-get so i can install packages |
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| 20:51.19 | FieldySnuts | smacked |
| 20:51.21 | ribnitz | !porn |
| 20:51.21 | dpkg | somebody said porn was see pr0n |
| 20:51.21 | Wekkel | how about /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:51.45 | BucWheat | Wekkel that file is there |
| 20:51.47 | LoRez | BucWheat: http_proxy=http://host:port/ apt-get update |
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| 20:51.55 | jetscreamer | BucWheat, that's the file |
| 20:51.59 | hool | can you apt porn? :) |
| 20:52.00 | mirak | ribnitz: if they are open |
| 20:52.09 | Wekkel | in that file you can add sources for apt to use |
| 20:52.09 | ribnitz | mirak: yes ofc. |
| 20:52.14 | jetscreamer | hool, you can apt-get bittorrent |
| 20:52.18 | LoRez | set it more permanently in the /etc/apt/apt.conf (man apt.conf) |
| 20:52.19 | ribnitz | mirak: plus the other side needs to know. |
| 20:52.43 | mirak | ribnitz: it's when the only thing you can do is send and receive mail to outside |
| 20:53.01 | mirak | there is an applicaition that can send you back mails with the web page you want |
| 20:53.03 | BucWheat | LoRez that is just it i have no /etc/apt/apt.conf and i do not know what the file is supose to look like even after perusing man apt.conf |
| 20:53.08 | ribnitz | mirak: then you dont need no web. |
| 20:53.12 | mirak | I cant't find on google |
| 20:53.12 | eduard | Does anyone have a clue why hotway would work onder regular unstable but report a worng password on Alioth(AMD64) |
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| 20:53.21 | greycat | How do you list the smbpasswd users on a samba installation? And why doesn't "smbpasswd -?" or "man smbpasswd" tell me how? |
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| 20:53.23 | MobyTurbo | mirak: I remember doing something like that with gopher pages.... |
| 20:53.31 | LoRez | BucWheat: then look to the example file named in the manpage. |
| 20:53.39 | mirak | MobyTurbo: don't know that |
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| 20:54.02 | MobyTurbo | mirak: I doubt the service for gopher is still running, except quxx.org gopher is dead. |
| 20:54.11 | BucWheat | LoRez k. once found i just include the http_proxy line in the file and that is it. correct? |
| 20:54.19 | ribnitz | MobyTurbo: gopher is still there. |
| 20:54.31 | LoRez | BucWheat: no. that's to override it at the time on the command line. |
| 20:54.33 | jetscreamer | even ie recognizes gopher |
| 20:54.55 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: it's still there occasionally, but not much new information is being posted. |
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| 20:55.14 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: IE actually doesn't support gopher well. Mozilla supports it nicely though. |
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| 20:55.20 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: what do you expect: ie was developed from NCSA Mosaic |
| 20:55.35 | ribnitz | iirc |
| 20:56.05 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: IE pre version 4 was mostly spyglass, Mosaic's commercial offering. IE4 was a mostly complete rewrite. |
| 20:56.46 | ribnitz | MobyTurbo: we see what monopolies beget. |
| 20:57.15 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: at the time, Netscape was the first-place browser. IE4 was an attempt to get people to use IE. |
| 20:57.28 | jetscreamer | i'm just saying that even ie does. |
| 20:57.51 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: IE supports gopher after a fashion, but not particularly well compared to mozilla or lynx. |
| 20:57.55 | ribnitz | MobyTurbo: yes, but netscape could not afford to give browser for free.. |
| 20:58.11 | Wekkel | Netscape was free download |
| 20:58.17 | Wekkel | up to 4.7 |
| 20:58.18 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: precisely, but that didn't hurt them until IE was worth using. |
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| 20:58.52 | Sirius_Black | hi guys - I am trying to compile kmplayer but I am getting this "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check". Any idea. I am using Sid |
| 20:58.52 | ribnitz | MobyTurbo: how many people do you know that don't even realise they are using a browser? |
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| 20:59.10 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: quite a few. Some of them don't even know they're using an OS. |
| 20:59.26 | a-atwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.42 | ribnitz | MobyTurbo: see.. noe tell them to switch the browser to firefox (or whatever).. |
| 21:00.14 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: true, but some people in spite of that are using firefox... |
| 21:00.23 | jetscreamer | netscape is still free as in no money, and 7.1 or so |
| 21:00.31 | jetscreamer | you can get it for linux even |
| 21:00.41 | Wekkel | probably looks like MOzilla |
| 21:00.46 | jetscreamer | does |
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| 21:00.52 | ribnitz | Wekkel: is mozilla |
| 21:00.59 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 21:01.01 | jetscreamer | comes with aim, too |
| 21:01.09 | Wekkel | Looks and works fine: tabbed browsing :* |
| 21:01.11 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: Netscape is now an extra-bloat mozilla suite browser. They say a future version will be based on Firefox though. |
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| 21:01.35 | Daffy-PKF | does someone use eggdrop? with the megahal module? |
| 21:01.40 | jetscreamer | i just use mozilla, i'm lazy. |
| 21:02.09 | npx | I look forward to seeing how slow they can make firefox |
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| 21:02.13 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: As of 7.5 it is based on firefox/thunderbird.. |
| 21:02.17 | jetscreamer | there used to be ie for linux but they quit that, not it's just solaris and some unix i think |
| 21:02.41 | jetscreamer | s/not/now/ |
| 21:02.43 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: why would you use IE for linux? ;) |
| 21:02.44 | greycat | solaris and hp-ux |
| 21:02.49 | greycat | there has never been a linux native IE |
| 21:02.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:03.06 | npx | I assume it uses X on solaris |
| 21:03.12 | jetscreamer | i dimly remember one.. i could be wrong.... 3.0 or somelthing |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | they basically ported a subset of the win32 api to X |
| 21:03.30 | jahi | can someone tell me, how to start an Eterm without the scrollbar turned on? |
| 21:03.32 | Jacobo221 | hi, any tool to know the IP that's being resolved from a dns address? |
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| 21:03.41 | greycat | Jacobo221: host, dig |
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| 21:03.44 | npx | Of course they did, IE is integrated with windows =) |
| 21:03.47 | jetscreamer | i remember trying to get ANY browser to work on my 286..... only found one. |
| 21:03.47 | Jacobo221 | green_earz: thanks ;) |
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| 21:03.58 | ribnitz | Jacobo221: dig, dig -x |
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| 21:04.17 | npx | but assuming they have the relevant subsections compiling cleanly on solaris and are displaying html with X, a native linux port couldn't be too difficult |
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| 21:04.41 | paulswm | Phated: you up? |
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| 21:05.19 | ribnitz | paulswm: On a weekday?- I dont expect her to be up. |
| 21:05.37 | jetscreamer | isn't it like the AM over there |
| 21:05.44 | Wekkel | grmbl, installing Debian again |
| 21:05.49 | Jacobo221 | ribnitz: thnks :) |
| 21:05.53 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: what, 5am or so. |
| 21:05.56 | jskulski | Hi, I'm having some trouble getting my new debian system to boot. Lilo gives me L 02 and repeats 02 over and over (but installs OK), and grub just repeats grub over and over. |
| 21:05.57 | Wekkel | all the time missing packages for a compile job |
| 21:06.01 | Wekkel | but very interesting |
| 21:06.01 | paulswm | ribnitz: nah, I didn't expect her to be, it's very early Tues morning there |
| 21:06.16 | jetscreamer | Wekkel, after you do it a few hundred times you'll get the hang of it |
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| 21:06.35 | Wekkel | he he, yes |
| 21:06.51 | disc | can anybody recommend good socks4 or v5 server? |
| 21:07.01 | jetscreamer | jskulski, boot a rescue disk and rerun lilo after you check /etc/lilo.conf |
| 21:07.03 | paulswm | ribnitz: just wanted to pull her leg a bit |
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| 21:07.15 | ribnitz | paulswm: we all do. |
| 21:07.16 | joebob2000 | is there a good bdb design/manipulation tool for debian? |
| 21:07.27 | darkdevil | hello |
| 21:07.34 | ribnitz | joebob2000: berkeley db? |
| 21:07.40 | joebob2000 | ribnitz: yes |
| 21:07.46 | tomZet | Hi, i can not apt-get dist-upgrade because I can not fix a unmet dependency with apt-get -f install. The problem is with kopete. Any suggestions? |
| 21:07.54 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 21:07.54 | dpkg | fix-unmet is probably run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
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| 21:07.59 | darkdevil | spek |
| 21:08.08 | darkdevil | speak everyone germen ???? |
| 21:08.12 | paulswm | !de |
| 21:08.12 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 21:08.13 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove kopete also |
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| 21:08.19 | Wekkel | germen? |
| 21:08.28 | darkdevil | ok thanks |
| 21:08.33 | paulswm | darkdevil: np |
| 21:08.51 | ribnitz | darkdevil: ensure your real name is set though. |
| 21:08.52 | jetscreamer | Wekkel, you expect him to spell correctly in english? :) |
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| 21:09.12 | Wekkel | hmm, I would certainly want him to try a bit harder ;) |
| 21:09.30 | jetscreamer | his english is a lot better than my german, good enough for me |
| 21:09.33 | grendal_prime | anyone use flash4linux? |
| 21:09.39 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Given that english spelling is both highly idiosyncratic and focused on morphology rather than phonetics, yes. Sounding out words is often more difficult than rote memorization for non-natives. |
| 21:09.55 | paulswm | jetscreamer: yeah a lot better than mine to, I know like 3 words I think |
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| 21:10.16 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Especially when you consider how ill-suited the roman alphabet is to English (and a lesser extent, german and dutch) |
| 21:10.17 | tomZet | jetscreamer, thanx for the tip. I will see to it now ... . |
| 21:10.23 | paulswm | or stares, even |
| 21:10.33 | jetscreamer | tip? |
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| 21:10.48 | Wekkel | hmm |
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| 21:11.15 | Wekkel | It doesn't seem too hard for Dutch people to write a little Ruud Lubbers English language |
| 21:11.16 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: maybe we should start a campaign to spell English with Runic letters. Runic IRC, sounds like fun. ;) |
| 21:11.35 | joebob2000 | anyone have advice on designing/managing berkeley db files in deb? any good tools to use? |
| 21:11.37 | jskulski | jetscreamer: I've done that several times. |
| 21:11.41 | paulswm | pipeline: the Roman alphabet is even more unsuited to Welsh, sadly |
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| 21:11.50 | Esaj | What tool could I use to backup all the ntfs/fat partitions from one drive as some kind of "partition images" onto another? |
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| 21:12.03 | jskulski | lilo.conf is fine |
| 21:12.05 | npx | Esaj you could use dd or mkisofs |
| 21:12.08 | Wekkel | Norton Ghost? |
| 21:12.18 | Esaj | Preferrably in compressed form, because I don't want to copy the whole 60GB drive |
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| 21:12.25 | pipeline | paulswm: Heh, I can imagine. 26 letters, but how many syllable beginnings and endings is welsh capable of? Makes english look run-of-the-mill by comparison :P |
| 21:12.28 | npx | dd will copy the whole thing |
| 21:12.28 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: or maybe even hieroglyphs, that would be a gas |
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| 21:12.58 | Wekkel | Esaj: pipe the outcome of DD through gzip or something? |
| 21:13.06 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: I've IRC'd in Hebrew letters before. |
| 21:13.12 | Esaj | Wekkel: hmm maybe, might take a long time :) |
| 21:13.18 | npx | mkisofs will copy just the data, but not compress it. |
| 21:13.22 | Wekkel | Of course, it's 60 Gb |
| 21:13.30 | npx | You could compress a .iso though |
| 21:13.35 | gurubie | OK party people! Who does terminal serving? I tried a test with Knoppix HD installed and cd file copied to HD and booted a terminal server (within enough) and it was SLOW. How do I make a FAST Termianl Server optional on Sarge? I use local 100MB ethernet. |
| 21:13.36 | paulswm | pipeline: add to that the beginnings or words change depending on the context, and even a translation dictionary is a bit tough :) |
| 21:13.44 | paulswm | s/or/of/ |
| 21:13.45 | jetscreamer | Esaj, man ntfsprogs |
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| 21:13.49 | Esaj | npx: if I just copied the bootable partition, would I be able to copy it back later and make it boot? |
| 21:14.04 | npx | Yeah with ntfsprogs you could shrink the partition as much as possible |
| 21:14.04 | Wekkel | gurubie: define slow |
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| 21:14.17 | npx | then use dd to make an image, then mount the image as a loopback partition and mv everything out of it |
| 21:14.18 | jetscreamer | there is ntfsclone |
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| 21:14.20 | paulswm | Esaj: the tool in ntfsprogs for which you are looking is ntfsclone |
| 21:14.31 | npx | I dunno about ntfsclone |
| 21:14.34 | xenwryly` | is there a way I can reinstall a given file from a package? |
| 21:14.37 | gurubie | weasel, Painful (nothing like the server) |
| 21:14.40 | Esaj | Okay. Do you know if these will preserve bootability |
| 21:14.55 | Esaj | I want to restore the partitions and everything later |
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| 21:14.55 | jetscreamer | i've never tested it but i did do the img portion |
| 21:15.01 | jetscreamer | and mounted the img |
| 21:15.09 | npx | assuming everything is intact, it'll be bootable (you'll have to re-install a bootloader though) |
| 21:15.13 | jetscreamer | never tried the restore |
| 21:15.18 | paulswm | Esaj: I use ntfsclone all the time for doing backups over my network. It writes sparse files (i.e. they look big, but only the disk space actually used is allocated) |
| 21:15.18 | gurubie | Wekkel, opps weasel I mean. It was painful! Nothing like the Server. |
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| 21:15.36 | Esaj | paulswm: cool I'll take a look, cheers |
| 21:15.36 | zulkifar | Hi. I'm very newbie to lm-sensors so my question may be probably stupid. I have VIA EPIA motherboard with C3 CPU and want to view temp of CPU and other possible similar things. Well, I installed lm-sensors, compiled kernel with i2c modules (algo, some chips including via* and lm*), ran sensors-detect, lodaded some modules it recommends and executed 'sensors'. They only what see was few lines about my DIMM reported by eeprom.ko module. Is it means I will ne |
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| 21:16.30 | paulswm | Esaj: for instance, if you have a 16G NTFS partition with only 8G in use, the file will loook like it's 16G if you 'ls' it, but it's actually only taking up 8G of space |
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| 21:16.51 | gurubie | Shouldn't terminal serving be alomast the same speed as the server (over 100BM)? |
| 21:16.57 | jskulski | how do you change the default locale? perl is yelling at me that utf is not installed |
| 21:17.14 | equnix | how do you find out what your cdrom's devicename is? |
| 21:17.15 | dvs | jskulski: dpt-reconfigure locales |
| 21:17.19 | jskulski | thanks |
| 21:17.19 | dvs | jskulski: apt-reconfigure locales |
| 21:17.25 | zulkifar | One more thing about lm-sensors. Documentation refers to i2c-proc modle which should create handle /proc/sys/sensors or so branch. But there is _no_ such a module in 2.6.8.1. Why? |
| 21:17.30 | xenwryly` | I'd like to refresh one file from a package back to its original state in the package. Can anyon point me in the right direction? |
| 21:17.35 | gurubie | Has anyone done terminal serving with Sarge? |
| 21:17.37 | dvs | jskulski: dpkg-reconfigure locales (I'll get this right one day) |
| 21:17.38 | zulkifar | s/handle/handy |
| 21:17.49 | ReclusE | anyone know how to rescue boot on a raid machine? |
| 21:17.50 | equnix | how do i mount my cdrom? |
| 21:17.58 | paulswm | Esaj: ntfsclone will restore the image fine, exactly as it was before. |
| 21:17.58 | Esaj | paulswm: so if I copy the image onto another server will it still only take up 8G of space? |
| 21:18.02 | jskulski | dvs: I knew what you meant :) |
| 21:18.05 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Shavian alphabet 4 lyfe! |
| 21:18.30 | Esaj | paulswm: what about the master boot record and partition table, can I backup that too? |
| 21:18.31 | gurubie | equnix, manually or automatically? |
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| 21:18.46 | paulswm | Esaj: yes, provided the receiving filesystem supports sparse files. Otherwise you can tar/gzip it, check the ntfsclone man page |
| 21:18.51 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: ????? ? |
| 21:19.10 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Or how about ?????????? ? |
| 21:19.28 | paulswm | Esaj: use dd for that, they're not very big. ntfsclone is an ntfs *filesystem* images, not a complete hard drive imager |
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| 21:19.35 | xenwryly` | b |
| 21:19.37 | Esaj | paulswm: ok, thanks |
| 21:19.39 | xenwryly` | oops |
| 21:19.44 | equnix | gurubie: manually i guess, i want to mount it in my /cdrom folder |
| 21:19.44 | paulswm | Esaj: you are welcome |
| 21:19.45 | mornfall | simonrvn: lol @ debian-devel |
| 21:19.55 | jetscreamer | partition imager |
| 21:20.08 | gurubie | equnix, mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
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| 21:20.28 | equnix | gurubie, ah, isnt it harder then tha |
| 21:20.30 | paulswm | jetscreamer: no, it's a filesystem imager |
| 21:20.33 | jetscreamer | equnix, if you have discover installed, don't mess with it jsut make a symlink named /cdrom |
| 21:20.36 | valdyn | zulkifar: i would guess that is legacy from 2.4 kernel, you don't need it anyway in 2.6.x |
| 21:20.42 | gurubie | equnix, Not if it works |
| 21:21.19 | gurubie | equnix, and you've mkdir /drom |
| 21:21.24 | gurubie | equnix, and you've mkdir /crom |
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| 21:21.28 | gurubie | equnix, and you've mkdir /cdrom |
| 21:21.53 | paulswm | jetscreamer: a good way to shrink an ntfs partition: use ntfsresize to resize the filesystem, back it up with ntfsclone, redo the partiton size, restore it with ntfsclone |
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| 21:22.22 | gurubie | equnix, umount /cdrom (without the "n") |
| 21:22.23 | equnix | gurubie, it sais you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 21:22.38 | paulswm | jetscreamer: me being right and you being wrong is a prticularly rare event, mark it in your diary, heh |
| 21:22.40 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Damn, even messaging myself unicode runic letters, it comes out "????" on the return side. |
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| 21:22.53 | gurubie | equnix, Ah it didn't work due to cdrom line not in fstab |
| 21:22.59 | gurubie | man fstab I suppose |
| 21:23.23 | gurubie | THen, what version 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 21:23.24 | equnix | gurubie, huh? what do you mean? *newbie* |
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| 21:23.44 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: the factoids I can see that he's (citral) modified seem to be ok to me... |
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| 21:24.00 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: maybe I've missed something obvious |
| 21:24.17 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: bummer |
| 21:24.19 | tarzeau | what are these called in english? http://www.qolume.ch/albums/Vancouver/1000021_R1_059_28.sized.jpg |
| 21:24.21 | Wekkel | wow |
| 21:24.41 | Wekkel | that's a full Debian Sarge install with 2 DVD's for you then :P |
| 21:24.43 | jetscreamer | i have 64m left on one 10gb hd and 24 left on another |
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| 21:25.06 | fatal__ | tarzeau: wild guess, totem pole? |
| 21:25.08 | Submarine | is there a standard script for saving/loading iptables? |
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| 21:25.18 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: he keeps changing other people's factoids. he's pissing everyone off. he also keeps lying about doing it. |
| 21:25.19 | paulswm | tarzeau: totem poles |
| 21:25.28 | ribnitz | recently added a 250G drive. |
| 21:25.29 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: which factoid? |
| 21:25.38 | willis | anyone have a source.list file configured to us mirrors they can send me a copy of |
| 21:25.39 | tarzeau | thanks |
| 21:25.45 | dondelelcaro | that'll help me track down what's going on here |
| 21:25.52 | tarzeau | willis: apt-setup can setup one? |
| 21:25.56 | LoRez | Wille88: apt-setup |
| 21:25.56 | ugarit | I'm using split on $_ which equals 123 456 13.567 "something", how do I parse w/ \s+ and with "? |
| 21:25.59 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: i think the last one he mangled was !lol, has been restored by whoever made it first |
| 21:26.02 | LoRez | er, crap |
| 21:26.07 | paulswm | jetscreamer: now have 580GB on the main box, gotta figure out something to do with it all |
| 21:26.15 | LoRez | ugarit: #perl? |
| 21:26.19 | Wekkel | down mp3z? |
| 21:26.34 | willis | how do you run apt-setup |
| 21:26.37 | fatal__ | paulswm: mirror snapshot.debian.net? ... ;P |
| 21:26.39 | ugarit | LoRez: that would help :-) |
| 21:26.42 | tarzeau | willis: as root, just type that |
| 21:26.47 | ribnitz | paulswm: copy dvds to disk? |
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| 21:26.55 | willis | did .. as root ... did not work |
| 21:26.56 | tarzeau | paulswm: which version of both? |
| 21:27.02 | jetscreamer | willis deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:27.14 | jetscreamer | change unstable if needbe |
| 21:27.15 | l3m | i want my program to be able to play a .wav file... what's the best ( easiest ) sound library to do that? |
| 21:27.23 | sussudio | !seen test |
| 21:27.24 | dpkg | test <~testa@client11.itam1.hawkcommunications.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 62d 13h 57m 18s ago, saying: 'test'. |
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| 21:27.26 | ribnitz | tarzeau: bash: that command not found... |
| 21:27.31 | paulswm | fatal__: I would be delighted to mirror, but my ISP would be less than impressed |
| 21:27.31 | tarzeau | l3m: system("play your.wav &"); |
| 21:27.36 | equnix | i have a little newbieproblem, if anyone has the time; mount: you must specify the filesystem type, what does that mean? |
| 21:27.47 | willis | oot@icebox:~# apt-setup |
| 21:27.47 | willis | bash: apt-setup: command not found |
| 21:27.47 | willis | root@icebox:~# apt-get setup |
| 21:27.47 | willis | E: Invalid operation setup |
| 21:27.47 | willis | root@icebox:~# apt setup |
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| 21:27.56 | tarzeau | l3m: apt-cache search audio dev |
| 21:28.08 | paulswm | tarzeau: just kidding, not installed either yet, planning on doing a couple of extra debian installs for backup ans testing purposes |
| 21:28.13 | sussudio | knoppix morons |
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| 21:28.19 | jetscreamer | willis, you have to actually install apt-setup iirc |
| 21:28.21 | paulswm | !badgerknoppix |
| 21:28.21 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 21:28.21 | Wekkel | equnix: specify the file system of the medium you are trying to mount |
| 21:28.26 | sussudio | willis: you're running knoppix, go away. |
| 21:28.31 | jetscreamer | willis, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:28.33 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 21:28.36 | tarzeau | paulswm: ahh yes i was looking for that factoid last time, hehehe :) |
| 21:28.39 | jetscreamer | knoppix omg |
| 21:28.58 | willis | someone send me a apt-get source.list work file |
| 21:29.00 | equnix | Wekkel, im trying to mount my cdrom, what filesystem is that? and how do i specify it? |
| 21:29.02 | paulswm | tarzeau: I remembered it because I kind of jokingly suggested it and the next thing I knew, there it was :) |
| 21:29.04 | greycat | willis: install Debian. |
| 21:29.06 | Wekkel | knoppix is an easy way of getting into Linux |
| 21:29.08 | tarzeau | willis: i have one, but not with uk mirrors |
| 21:29.09 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: that thing that looks like a dog but is none. |
| 21:29.11 | greycat | Wekkel: wrong. |
| 21:29.12 | JoePenguin | paulswm: someone should redo badgers with penguins :) |
| 21:29.14 | jetscreamer | willis i gave you all you needed |
| 21:29.17 | Wekkel | no, right |
| 21:29.22 | jetscreamer | willis deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:29.25 | greycat | Knoppix is the easy way to get into Knoppix |
| 21:29.32 | jazzmans | jetscreamer; willis has been in knoppix ignoring any help also. He refuses to read anything. |
| 21:29.39 | greycat | it doesn't teach you *shit* about Unix or Linux or Debian. |
| 21:29.39 | jetscreamer | o |
| 21:29.42 | tarzeau | paulswm: hehe it's very cool... after the badgers badgers a snake! |
| 21:29.43 | eduard | cd's are often filesystem iso9660 |
| 21:29.53 | jetscreamer | kanotix > knoppix |
| 21:29.57 | ribnitz | greycat: do you want to learn such things? |
| 21:29.58 | willis | hay if debian had a disrto with open-mosix already installed .. i would run with it |
| 21:30.07 | Wekkel | greycat: not true. Even wandering around in KDE teaches people stuff |
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| 21:30.31 | tarzeau | ribnitz: if you don't learn the simple commands unix is responsible for. you'll miss alot of fun |
| 21:30.32 | willis | has to be a way to just copy the needed file .. preconfigured .. |
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| 21:30.36 | paulswm | tarzeau: I love the badgers, they are funny as hell, guess I still haven't really grown up yet |
| 21:30.37 | ribnitz | willis: i think openmosix is non-free |
| 21:30.44 | jetscreamer | SO! windows or knoppix: WHICH ONE! |
| 21:30.46 | tarzeau | paulswm: mushroom! |
| 21:31.03 | willis | open-mosix is free... just kernel level rebuild ... |
| 21:31.13 | willis | not quite the advanced |
| 21:31.21 | ribnitz | willis: free as in fredom or free as in beer? |
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| 21:31.57 | willis | want 2 systems up .. then reconfig one at a time with remote access |
| 21:32.14 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: actually, citral was fixing the factoid when he modified it |
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| 21:32.31 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: it was 20:20.37 Reply: about to check for $ vars. ([lol] Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! Don't give in the grammar nazis! It 's ok to use lol, hell even go ahead with u and 4, only pathetic lusers will criticize you for it.) before he modified it |
| 21:32.50 | willis | no one has a source.list file preconfiged ? |
| 21:32.55 | greycat | willis: Debian does. |
| 21:33.01 | jetscreamer | jeezus christ |
| 21:33.11 | tarzeau | willis: telnet linuks.mine.nu (warning it's sid) |
| 21:33.13 | greycat | or you could read "man sources.list" and then do it yourself |
| 21:33.18 | willis | but debian lacks open-mosix prebuilt in |
| 21:33.18 | dondelelcaro | willis: run apt-setup; already |
| 21:33.23 | Wekkel | Woei, going KDE for the first time |
| 21:33.25 | jetscreamer | willis, do you know how to edit a text file? |
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| 21:33.26 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: doesn't have it |
| 21:33.37 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: and how would he , without sources.list :) you egg! chicken! |
| 21:33.39 | willis | dont have apt-setup |
| 21:33.40 | greycat | dondelelcaro: haven't we already gotten enough flooding from him showing that he does not have apt-setup? |
| 21:33.42 | jjazz | willis, doesn't Knoppix come with a sources.list? |
| 21:33.51 | dondelelcaro | greycat: oh, dunno... haven't read all of scrollback yet. |
| 21:33.53 | grendal_prime | anyone use flash4linux? |
| 21:33.56 | tarzeau | jjazz: a very broken one, yes |
| 21:34.04 | jjazz | What's broken about it? |
| 21:34.07 | grendal_prime | an editor for flash4linux |
| 21:34.12 | greycat | what the hell good would it do to have a sources.list on Knoppix anyway? Wouldn't you lose everything you installed once you reboot? |
| 21:34.18 | tarzeau | jjazz: it mixes archives and uses unofficial sources |
| 21:34.19 | jetscreamer | jjazz, try reading one |
| 21:34.21 | jetscreamer | it's messy |
| 21:34.21 | ribnitz | jjazz: pretty much everything. |
| 21:34.30 | willis | one it has is denmark mirrors |
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| 21:34.39 | jazzmans | but they work NO? |
| 21:34.42 | Wekkel | greycat: have an installation of Kn 3.7 for a month now on HD |
| 21:34.44 | jjazz | greycat: You can install Knoppix to hard drive |
| 21:34.45 | ReclusE | any takers on some raid issues? |
| 21:34.45 | jetscreamer | willis, change us to the denmark couhntry code |
| 21:34.51 | Wekkel | just checking out the HD install routine |
| 21:34.52 | greycat | Wekkel: what's the fucking *point*? Just install Debian! |
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| 21:34.57 | ribnitz | ReclusE: just ask. |
| 21:34.58 | Wekkel | and figuring out Wine |
| 21:35.06 | greycat | the only thing Knoppix is good for is being a rescue/hardware-probing CD |
| 21:35.13 | pack | is debians samba broken? |
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| 21:35.24 | pack | seems like it dosn't respect elections properly |
| 21:35.28 | ribnitz | pack: mine works (sarge) |
| 21:35.29 | jetscreamer | no just not transparent to configure pack |
| 21:35.30 | greycat | in fact I used it the other day to find out what my wife's laptop's NIC was so I could figure out what driver to download for it (and burn to CD) after she deleted the NIC driver. |
| 21:35.33 | Wekkel | greycat: the same as installing pclinuxos -> getting what you already saw with the live cd with just a few simple clicks |
| 21:35.36 | ReclusE | my system wont boot it locks on LILO, it's a raid (mirrored) system but when I try to run rescue I get Kernel Panic errors |
| 21:35.46 | jjazz | willis: You're source.list only needs one line: "deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" Then apt-get apt-setup if you're so into it. |
| 21:35.53 | abrotman | !win paulswm |
| 21:35.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 21:35.56 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah, it was carrett who actually changed it the first time |
| 21:35.58 | greycat | Wekkel: "clicks"???!?! Oh. My. Fucking. God. |
| 21:36.00 | paulswm | heh |
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| 21:36.10 | greycat | It's like the Invasion of the Drooling Lemmings or something. |
| 21:36.14 | ribnitz | ReclusE: software raid 1 I presume? |
| 21:36.19 | ReclusE | yes |
| 21:36.20 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: who unbanned him? |
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| 21:36.23 | greycat | Didn't any of you use UNIX in COLLEGE?! |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | AIX .. does that count? |
| 21:36.32 | jetscreamer | nobody answered my question: should they install knoppix or windows. |
| 21:36.36 | greycat | abrotman: yes. |
| 21:36.37 | abrotman | and solaris i guess |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | well .. more solaris than AIX |
| 21:36.44 | Wekkel | wasn't it you who promoted Linux here all the time? |
| 21:36.46 | greycat | jetscreamer: nobody installs windows themselves. |
| 21:36.46 | paulswm | greycat: and it's not even Sunday |
| 21:36.48 | abrotman | i admined a solaris box |
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| 21:36.54 | pack | i had to port crap to HPUX |
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| 21:37.04 | pack | cry for me greycat cry. |
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| 21:37.11 | greycat | HP-UX imadev B.10.20 A 9000/785 2008897791 two-user license |
| 21:37.13 | ribnitz | abrotman: does that count as unix? |
| 21:37.15 | greycat | pack: you cry first. |
| 21:37.19 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: if i had the choice, i'd rather not use the computer if only those two are available |
| 21:37.23 | abrotman | ribnitz: solaris or AIX? |
| 21:37.28 | ribnitz | abrotman: AIX. |
| 21:37.31 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i can't think of a situation where i must if it's either one |
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| 21:37.33 | abrotman | ribnitz: debateable |
| 21:37.37 | paulswm | you guys shut up or I'll have to dig up another whenIwasYoung anecdote |
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| 21:37.41 | jetscreamer | somebody tell ReclusE how to fix lilo with raid |
| 21:37.44 | jjazz | There's plenty of people for whom installing and configuring Debian is too challenging. Knoppix does it for them, which I think is pretty cool. |
| 21:37.45 | ReclusE | so what because it's raid 1 everyone just drops it? |
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| 21:38.00 | abrotman | ribnitz: out of the ones i've had decent exposure to(Sol,IRIX,AIX,SCO,linux) .. AIX is the worst |
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| 21:38.19 | abrotman | ribnitz: that's an opinion though :) |
| 21:38.21 | Wekkel | yeah, but it doesn't compute with grecat's standard library and therefore, fails ;) |
| 21:38.22 | ribnitz | abrotman: oh, i laso saw some (basic) sco. |
| 21:38.34 | pack | abrotman maybe you have trouble with them cause you are so grey old and senile ? -=] |
| 21:38.35 | ribnitz | abrotman: solaris packet mgmt sux. |
| 21:38.35 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:38.42 | abrotman | pack: i'm not even 30 |
| 21:38.53 | tarzeau | jjazz: the thing is you can't have debian when you install knoppix |
| 21:38.57 | jazzmans | willis didn't even thank jjazz for helping.... what a putz. |
| 21:38.59 | abrotman | ribnitz: it's not that bad .. |
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| 21:39.06 | abrotman | ribnitz: just takes getting used to i guess |
| 21:39.17 | ribnitz | abrotman: you mean there is worse? |
| 21:39.18 | paulswm | jjazz: nobody has a problem with people running knoppix, just installing knoppix and expecting help from #debian |
| 21:39.21 | tarzeau | jjazz: knoppix only installs knoppix, no way to go to a clean debian system from it |
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| 21:39.27 | abrotman | ribnitz: well .. gentoo ? :) |
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| 21:39.30 | jjazz | tarzeau: Knoppix is just Debian with a bunch of scripts on top of it, right? |
| 21:39.35 | tarzeau | jjazz: no |
| 21:39.42 | tarzeau | jjazz: it screws up quite a bit more than just that |
| 21:39.42 | ribnitz | abrotman: thats linux. |
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| 21:39.46 | paulswm | jjazz: no |
| 21:39.48 | jjazz | tarzeau: Like what? |
| 21:39.51 | tarzeau | jjazz: if it only was that, you'd remove the scripts and you have debian |
| 21:39.52 | jazzmans | jjazz, many things are different, the runlevels for instance. |
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| 21:40.02 | tarzeau | what's the factoid for sources mixing again? |
| 21:40.02 | abrotman | ribnitz: IRIX package management isn't that much better .. i was very used to SOlaris way of doing things though |
| 21:40.05 | jjazz | interesting |
| 21:40.10 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 21:40.10 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 21:40.14 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 21:40.14 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable(doesn't apply until sarge is released to stable) |
| 21:40.18 | jazzmans | I love knoppix/kanotix, but I only install to hd debian pure now. |
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| 21:40.43 | ribnitz | abrotman: Some time I lkearn that what unix-nerds call a package is in fact a .tar.z file (or similar) |
| 21:40.54 | paulswm | to say that knoppix is debian with some scripts is saying that your uncle is like your aunt with testicles |
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| 21:41.07 | soppman | hi |
| 21:41.12 | streuner__ | hehe |
| 21:41.26 | ReclusE | ok so no one can help with trying to rescue a raid system, where can I get some help? |
| 21:41.30 | soppman | i was thinking about those intel dual port cards, do they act as one 200mbit card or as 2 100mbit cards? |
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| 21:42.00 | abrotman | ribnitz: iirc .. there was more than one "format" for solaris stuff .. the freeware had one extension .. and Sun stuff had another |
| 21:42.12 | abrotman | soppman: #hardware |
| 21:42.17 | jazzmans | !abuse willis. Next time, thank people for their assistence. (jjazz helped you) |
| 21:42.18 | dpkg | willis. Next time, thank people for their assistence. jjazz helped you: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 21:42.22 | ribnitz | abrotman: but it was all glorified compressed tar. |
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| 21:42.37 | abrotman | ribnitz: it is .. kind of like a debian package :) |
| 21:42.45 | paulswm | jazzmans: hey, that's a really good one |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | ribnitz: doh .. caught you on that one didn't i? |
| 21:42.47 | Hutsebaut | !abuse jazzmans |
| 21:42.49 | jjazz | jazzmans: My guess is he's not reading thsi window anymore. He's pestering another channel for the answer he already got here. |
| 21:42.52 | Hutsebaut | haha |
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| 21:43.14 | ribnitz | ReclusE: the raid gurus might not be around.. |
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| 21:43.26 | ReclusE | i noticed |
| 21:43.27 | botox | im having alsa headaches with testing and kernel 2.6.8, echo mia card. modules load, alsa cant detect the device... |
| 21:43.30 | abrotman | ReclusE: ##linux maybe? |
| 21:43.34 | paulswm | jjazz: and prolly not listening there either |
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| 21:43.36 | ReclusE | k, thx |
| 21:43.46 | abrotman | ReclusE: just an idea .. not sure if they're alive either |
| 21:43.47 | leimy | abrotman: what's the latest dpkg source? |
| 21:43.50 | streuner__ | botox: is the soundcard supported at all? |
| 21:43.53 | abrotman | are you kidding me? |
| 21:43.55 | leimy | 1.10.26? |
| 21:43.56 | jjazz | paulswm: probably. |
| 21:44.04 | abrotman | leimy: source for what? |
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| 21:44.08 | botox | streuner__: yes, entirely. |
| 21:44.13 | jazzmans | He's also in #knoppix, but not saying anything there either |
| 21:44.22 | abrotman | leimy: there's a dev site for dpkg .. let me see if i can find it |
| 21:44.27 | streuner__ | botox: Have you read /msg dpkg alsa? |
| 21:45.04 | paulswm | well I guess we can mark him down as a complete twit then |
| 21:45.10 | pipeline | abrotman: Wait, did I just hear you say something was worse than SCO? |
| 21:45.11 | leimy | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:45.16 | leimy | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/dpkg.html |
| 21:45.20 | leimy | that's all I found :P |
| 21:45.23 | abrotman | pipeline: AIX :) |
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| 21:45.40 | jan_ | hi, is there a package for apache2: libapache-mod-auth-shadow |
| 21:45.56 | streuner__ | jan_: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:46.16 | pipeline | abrotman: I've never used a modern version of AIX, but it can't possibly be worse than OSR. I couldn't devise of a system worse than SCO if I tried; what version of SCO were you exposed to? :P |
| 21:46.28 | jan_ | streuner__: well, i know how apt-cache works, but i cant find any libapache2 package :) |
| 21:46.41 | jan_ | so i was wondering if anyone had an idea |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | leimy: i can't find the true dev site .. http://packages.debian.org/dpkg will show all versions .. not sure what the experimental one will do :) |
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| 21:46.58 | abrotman | pipeline: a very bad one :) |
| 21:46.58 | streuner__ | jan_: well, it shouldn't exist then? |
| 21:47.16 | jan_ | streuner__: it just isn't there ... |
| 21:47.22 | botox | i have discover1 etc.. i am stumped with this |
| 21:47.46 | jan_ | streuner__: or perhaps you know some way to auth with shadow pwfile ? |
| 21:47.57 | jan_ | dont say mod_auth_pam ;) |
| 21:48.02 | streuner__ | botox: apt-get remove discover |
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| 21:48.34 | streuner__ | jan_: #apache |
| 21:48.37 | botox | streuner__: ok |
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| 21:49.05 | botox | streuner__: mind looking at lsmod in flood? |
| 21:49.23 | streuner__ | botox: that shouldn't help much |
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| 21:49.38 | ReclusE | anyone know about e2fsck? |
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| 21:49.56 | botox | the funny thing is, when i run alsaconf, it unloads all sound modules first, and claims it cant see anything. but it succesfully unloads the echo mia modules |
| 21:50.40 | cmartine | anyone know why screen running dhcpd3 works and crontab job doesnt? |
| 21:50.46 | abrotman | ReclusE: ask |
| 21:50.52 | abrotman | don't ask if we know about .. just ask |
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| 21:50.59 | ReclusE | k, sry |
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| 21:51.10 | ribnitz | abrotman: do we know anything? |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | ribnitz: i know AIX sucks :) |
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| 21:51.32 | Borgon | why is there so many config and programs with linux? and nothing as easy to use as windows? |
| 21:51.37 | paulswm | wow, I miscalculated I have 810GB which means that Microsoft products now take up < 1% of the disk space: I have achieved Nirvana |
| 21:51.52 | abrotman | leimy: find it? |
| 21:51.53 | a-atwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.56 | FieldySnuts | @troll Borgon |
| 21:52.01 | pipeline | abrotman: That describes all of them. :P |
| 21:52.02 | leimy | abauer: I think I got what I needed |
| 21:52.02 | streuner__ | Borgon: its *not* a linux thingie, its debian specific |
| 21:52.07 | leimy | er |
| 21:52.09 | leimy | abrotman: |
| 21:52.09 | abrotman | leimy: that's not me :) |
| 21:52.11 | leimy | :P |
| 21:52.12 | leimy | I'm using ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ with GNU Emacs 21.2.1 (powerpc-apple-darwin7.0)! |
| 21:52.14 | leimy | damned emacs :) |
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| 21:52.18 | pipeline | a-atwood: I use the 830 drivers on my laptop. They're fine, including 3d. |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | heh |
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| 21:52.29 | ocran | Hello |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | leimy: there's a tar.gz linked on those pages |
| 21:52.43 | a-atwood | pipeline: ok. may have broken hardware. it didnt work w/ windows drivers either |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | leimy: somewhere is a dev site .. i can't find it atm |
| 21:52.57 | leimy | abrotman: cool |
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| 21:53.02 | Borgon | streuner__, most linux need config and building and all crap.. why not have double click easy applicatiosn? |
| 21:53.10 | pipeline | a-atwood: With some provisos. The GL is godawful slow compared to windows, and linux-specific to boot. The regular, non-DRI driver works fine on all platforms, out-of-the-box. |
| 21:53.40 | paulswm | !lart Borgon |
| 21:53.47 | ocran | I am running gui modiling program over ssh -X and I am have refresh problems, are there any settings with ssh on the client side that can help resolve my problem, or possibly local graphic settings? |
| 21:53.49 | Borgon | sometimes i think people player hate on windows for having it so easy and people awnt to feel important or powerful by making stuff from src and fixing broken configs etc |
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| 21:54.15 | cheale1 | Borgon: most linux needs building? |
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| 21:54.34 | jazzmans | I know I"m bordering on trolling here, but willis is asking the same crap in #knoppix, and claiming it's too difficult to cut and paste. |
| 21:54.53 | paulswm | and it's not even Sunday |
| 21:54.53 | abrotman | jazzmans: at least it's tthere and not here? |
| 21:55.01 | abrotman | paulswm: i heard on venus it's sunday today |
| 21:55.04 | Borgon | cheale1, you know what i mean |
| 21:55.10 | jazzmans | yeah, I guess, but it's really frustrating. |
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| 21:55.27 | chealer | Borgon: not sure |
| 21:55.34 | fgh | ive found the hacker shit :) |
| 21:55.35 | paulswm | abrotman: all them lil venusians prolly dressing up for church then |
| 21:55.39 | fgh | damn ugly tools |
| 21:55.42 | fgh | on my server |
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| 21:55.46 | ReclusE | how do I fix my LILO? |
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| 21:55.53 | fgh | how can i reinstall all packages that currently installed? |
| 21:55.58 | ExUser1 | i need to know how to get a GUI(gnome) with a clean install of debian? |
| 21:56.00 | SlayerXP | good evening, hash-dweebians |
| 21:56.07 | Active2 | ReclusE: running lilo ? |
| 21:56.07 | paulswm | ReclusE: could you be a bit more specific |
| 21:56.09 | nvz | dmh: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
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| 21:56.11 | fgh | debsums means all ok |
| 21:56.15 | chealer | ExUser1: use tasksel |
| 21:56.19 | SlayerXP | !fix ReclusE |
| 21:56.19 | fgh | but want to reinstall all |
| 21:56.33 | ReclusE | yeah, when I boot my system it gets to the LILO boot prompt and hangs on LI..... |
| 21:56.33 | fgh | he is broking in my phpbb2 :) |
| 21:56.35 | Borgon | chealer, windows is much simpler to use than linux... linux always has config this, fix that... build compile blah blah.. nothing simple |
| 21:56.35 | dmh | nvz: ? |
| 21:56.37 | vulture | ExUser1: install it perhaps? apt-get install gnome (there's probably some more minimal set of packages perhaps) |
| 21:56.39 | uruboro | Borgon, if you need dumbed down prepackaged stuff get knoppix, or kanotix. they are easy to setup. If something goes wrong blame the producers of closed hardware |
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| 21:56.50 | nvz | dmh: sorry. nickcolor is making it hard to see. |
| 21:56.51 | chealer | fgh: you boot d-i |
| 21:56.58 | fgh | the server is not here |
| 21:57.01 | uruboro | Borgon, and btw Windows Is Not Easy. |
| 21:57.06 | dmh | nvz: hehe, its cool |
| 21:57.20 | nvz | and the fact I am like 7ft away |
| 21:57.22 | quitte_ | how can i create a diff file that contains the path to the file that the difference was taken from? so it can pe used with patch? |
| 21:57.28 | abrotman | paulswm: women are from venus ... |
| 21:57.29 | chealer | Borgon: this is #debian, not #linux |
| 21:57.29 | uruboro | If it were easy i'd never had to ask how to setup a friggin static ip network on it |
| 21:57.59 | ExUser1 | ~[ vulture ]~ i was told to type this "apt-get install gdm x-window-system gnome xfonts-base xserver-xfree86", is this correct? |
| 21:58.02 | apt | that's too long, ExUser1 |
| 21:58.05 | vulture | uruboro: I can't say I've ever found that difficult to do in windows.. |
| 21:58.07 | nvz | 0.0 |
| 21:58.12 | vulture | ExUser1: why haven't you don it? |
| 21:58.15 | vulture | s/don/done/ |
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| 21:58.34 | vulture | if you ask for help then verify it all the time it's really going to take a very long time for you to get anywhere |
| 21:58.35 | abrotman | ExUser1: could you please change your nick completion? |
| 21:58.41 | vulture | what abrotman said |
| 21:58.42 | SlayerXP | i have a cat obscuring my view |
| 21:58.49 | abrotman | !eat cat |
| 21:58.54 | ExUser1 | name danny- |
| 21:58.56 | botox | SlayerXP: go and chase it |
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| 21:58.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: wouldn't bother me at all |
| 21:59.00 | FieldySnuts | in Soviet Russia, cats eat YOU |
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| 21:59.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: saber tooth tigers? |
| 21:59.17 | FieldySnuts | meow? |
| 21:59.47 | abrotman | heh |
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| 21:59.53 | nvz | I think I got it at 1024x768 right now, and its a 21" and the couch is like 7ft or so away |
| 21:59.55 | SlayerXP | my cats are vicious creatures, most likely found bringing down wildebeest on the african plains |
| 21:59.56 | paulswm | Borgon: your opinion is all very well, and you're perfectly entitled to it, but you are laboring under the misapprehension that anyone in here really gives a crap about it |
| 22:00.10 | SlayerXP | and not being utterly pathetic near a radiator, oh no |
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| 22:00.26 | Borgon | chealer, doesnt matter debian is a flavor of linux and should back it up... |
| 22:00.29 | abrotman | SlayerXP: but the radiator is warm! |
| 22:00.40 | nvz | I think I am gonna move everything around in here anyhow |
| 22:00.42 | danny- | when i try to install gnome i get a bunch of errors that say "unmet dependencies" |
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| 22:00.49 | abrotman | Borgon: why are you trolling here? |
| 22:00.51 | vulture | Borgon: ?.. |
| 22:00.54 | uruboro | vulture, i came to linux and windows as a newbie, coming from old macos. I don't think windows is consistent. I had never to ask anything when trying stuff on unix based osx. |
| 22:00.54 | SlayerXP | abauer: arguably, so are the african planes |
| 22:00.56 | SlayerXP | plains |
| 22:01.01 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: he's been doing it the past half hour |
| 22:01.08 | abrotman | so kill him |
| 22:01.11 | abrotman | SlayerXP: wrong nick |
| 22:01.15 | abrotman | abauer: i feel for you man .. |
| 22:01.15 | paulswm | my siamese cat is a killer when she's not sleeping or rolling on her back with her legs in the air, the lil slut |
| 22:01.17 | FieldySnuts | Borgon: if you don't like it either contribute helpful criticism, or don't use it |
| 22:01.20 | uruboro | so OSX rules :) but i prefer being free as in debian |
| 22:01.42 | chealer | Borgon: so troll #linux instead |
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| 22:02.01 | larsie | Mooorn |
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| 22:02.08 | vulture | uruboro: I'm not sure how OSX came in to the picture, I would have assumed the logical comparison would have been between windows and Debian if anything. In any case my only assertion was that setting up a static IP in windows doesn't strike me as particularly difficult (perhaps in windows ME or XP Home it might be, all cutesy home user stuff is) |
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| 22:02.18 | streuner__ | botox: get the config of an official kernel and copy the whole ALSA section to your custom one. |
| 22:02.29 | abrotman | i don't find static IPs all that hard in either of them |
| 22:02.33 | Borgon | paulswm, i know i know, am just bored trying to stirr the calms water around |
| 22:02.33 | Borgon | I gotta use it because am forced to use it |
| 22:02.45 | abrotman | Borgon: use what? linux or debian? |
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| 22:03.27 | vulture | abrotman: I've never used OSX, so I wouldn't know - I expect it's reasonably easy to do |
| 22:03.30 | uruboro | vulture i said i need to ask directions. that means the interface sucks. Not that setting it up is more or less difficult. |
| 22:03.30 | flipflopper | Hey I have a little question about how many CD's Debian takes up |
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| 22:03.32 | ludo_2 | lo, any dselect master in the place? |
| 22:03.45 | abrotman | vulture: i have .. not as an owner though ... |
| 22:03.48 | uruboro | vulture as the interface i mean the gui |
| 22:03.48 | abrotman | flipflopper: which debian? |
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| 22:03.53 | spdf | flipflopper, Depends.. |
| 22:03.55 | abrotman | flipflopper: and why do you want all of them? |
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| 22:04.09 | spdf | flipflopper, Just one really...and then you can download packages as you need them.. |
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| 22:04.30 | flipflopper | I need a version of Debian for running on a Xbox any suggestions as to which version to choose? |
| 22:04.35 | abrotman | !xbox |
| 22:04.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, xbox is should be renamed to the wintendo, or http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 22:04.38 | abrotman | nice |
| 22:04.49 | uruboro | vulture what i mean is that windows is easy if you get started on it before linux ;) |
| 22:04.50 | abrotman | !linux on xbox |
| 22:04.50 | dpkg | it has been said that linux on xbox is http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 22:04.54 | spdf | abrotman, Been sitting on that one for a while? :) |
| 22:04.55 | abrotman | oh god damn it |
| 22:04.57 | chealer | flipflopper: a friend of me used xebian |
| 22:04.58 | abrotman | i give up |
| 22:04.59 | vulture | uruboro: I'd say that reflects more on you than it does on windows.. I don't see why you'd have to ask much about how to setup a static IP in windows. Depends on the version though. There's perhaps one or two steps that aren't entirely obvious. Not much different to setting up the same in Debian. |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | spdf: not at all |
| 22:05.21 | chealer | flipflopper: I suspect he'd be pleased to advise you personally |
| 22:05.31 | a-atwood | pipeline: bah. knoppix runs fine, so not broken hardware. |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | i don't want to drive home!!!!!!!! |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | fucking snow |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | !kill the snow |
| 22:05.50 | spdf | It just finished snowing here.. |
| 22:05.51 | SlayerXP | abrotman: solution: don't drive home |
| 22:05.53 | paulswm | well, got to try irssi-text again, if ony I can figure out how to get the timestamp/nick/message in nice alighned columns |
| 22:05.54 | flipflopper | is he one right now chealer |
| 22:05.56 | spdf | Couple of inches |
| 22:05.56 | abrotman | spdf: in PA? |
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| 22:06.00 | vulture | in Debian it's not too hard to guess that the network config is in /etc/network/ (just as it isn't hard to find the network interfaces in windows), but knowing the exact lines to put there requires referencing the manual at least for the first time (or examples) just as it might involve referencing help in windows to find the exact dialog that gets you IP info |
| 22:06.00 | spdf | Nope..Ontario |
| 22:06.01 | FieldySnuts | @love snow |
| 22:06.05 | paulswm | sunny, high 60s here today |
| 22:06.08 | FieldySnuts | hey |
| 22:06.10 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i like it .. wheni don't have to drive in it |
| 22:06.16 | ludo_2 | "dselect : the access method area is already locked" who know where is the lock, I need remove it... |
| 22:06.20 | FieldySnuts | 13.8" snow here, love it |
| 22:06.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: are you my neighbor? |
| 22:06.38 | FieldySnuts | i' |
| 22:06.44 | FieldySnuts | i'm in the general vicinity of Ontario |
| 22:06.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: we got about that saturday |
| 22:06.53 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: are you even canadian? |
| 22:06.59 | abrotman | err .. living in canada |
| 22:07.01 | FieldySnuts | keep yer stick on the ice? |
| 22:07.03 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 22:07.08 | abrotman | i realize you don't have to be canadian to live in canada :) |
| 22:07.11 | uruboro | vulture in debian i just setup stuff as the manual says, but the point was that windows was easy, not that debian was ;) If windows were easy it would have a consistent interface to system settings like osx does. |
| 22:07.14 | vulture | FieldySnuts: 20-26 celcius forcasted for today :) |
| 22:07.20 | FieldySnuts | @lart Borgon |
| 22:07.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:07.41 | paulswm | vulture: yes but it's summer in Oz |
| 22:07.51 | jan_ | streuner__: looks like i have to build my own package :) |
| 22:07.59 | chealer | flipflopper: no |
| 22:07.59 | vulture | uruboro: I can't comment on OSX, I haven't used it. I don't find windows control panel that inconsistent. |
| 22:08.11 | vulture | paulswm: minor detail :) |
| 22:08.44 | chealer | abrotman: where do you live? |
| 22:08.45 | kaplanfx | anyone know of a good howto on using lmsensors to control fan speed (particularly from it87), google is not helping much |
| 22:08.48 | abrotman | it's soo freaking cold here .. and snow everywhere |
| 22:08.51 | abrotman | chealer: outside philly |
| 22:08.59 | chealer | philly? |
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| 22:09.07 | abrotman | you would think after spending winters in maine .. i'd get used to it .. but no |
| 22:09.11 | abrotman | chealer: philadephia, pa |
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| 22:09.23 | paulswm | vulture: I have family in OZ, my cousin Richard was in a TV soap opera years ago, can't remember the name, about a family during WW2 I think |
| 22:09.24 | uruboro | vulture ok, de gustibus... :) |
| 22:09.25 | chealer | ok, I thoght you were in Canada |
| 22:09.44 | abrotman | chealer: i could live in Quebec .. but i think i'd have a hardtime finding a job there |
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| 22:10.12 | chealer | really? I'm going to work there when I finish to study I guess |
| 22:10.24 | chealer | abrotman: probably french would be a barrier for you |
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| 22:10.37 | paulswm | chealer: if abrotman lived in canada, he'd prolly be saying stuff like "apt-get install foo, eh" |
| 22:10.38 | chealer | but I wouldn't imagine myself living in US anyway |
| 22:10.45 | paulswm | he |
| 22:10.48 | spdf | 'eh? |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | chealer: i had 2 semesters .. not fluent .. but i could pick it up fairly quickly i think |
| 22:10.56 | chealer | paulswm: what do you mean? |
| 22:11.00 | abrotman | chealer: at least enough to find the bathroom |
| 22:11.03 | vulture | paulswm: :) can't say I watch soaps much in any case |
| 22:11.05 | cyberyo | night |
| 22:11.24 | helloyo | is there an easy to get postscript driver in debian? |
| 22:11.26 | kaplanfx | is it even possible to control fan speed in linux? my little box is quite loud and its plenty cool so I could probably half the sys fan speed |
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| 22:11.28 | m0r3 | night all |
| 22:11.31 | paulswm | chealer: kidding, is all |
| 22:11.35 | abrotman | kaplanfx: depends on the box |
| 22:11.36 | spdf | chealer, we Canadians append "eh" to pretty well every sentence... |
| 22:11.38 | chealer | abrotman: agreed, if you're kind of willing. french being a pretty sucky language, even compared to Visual Basic |
| 22:11.40 | m0r3 | whats xkb? |
| 22:11.55 | kaplanfx | abrotman: well its a shuttle mobo with it87 sensors |
| 22:11.59 | abrotman | chealer: i had a few years of spansih .. 2 semesters of french .. i can still wathc french movies and kind of get it |
| 22:11.59 | spdf | chealer, It gets to a point where you type it too, weird 'eh... |
| 22:12.03 | abrotman | kaplanfx: /msg dpkg acpi |
| 22:12.06 | chealer | paulswm: yeah...but I didn't understand the joke, sorry :) |
| 22:12.07 | kaplanfx | lmsensors seems to be working resonably |
| 22:12.11 | m0r3 | keyboard? |
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| 22:12.13 | kaplanfx | ok I'll try that |
| 22:12.14 | abrotman | kaplanfx: i tihnk you need acpi |
| 22:12.21 | abrotman | kaplanfx: not entirely sure |
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| 22:13.10 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:13.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 22:13.15 | chealer | I had 2 years of spanish, and forgot it almost all |
| 22:13.29 | abrotman | chealer: some i remember .. mostly curse words :) |
| 22:13.34 | abrotman | and not well |
| 22:13.46 | paulswm | chealer: I've heard quite a few Canadians add ", eh" to a remark, is all. In South Wales (where I'm from), they add ", innit". |
| 22:13.49 | PVU | Is there any easy way to install nvidia drvier on debian , Know about any good guides } |
| 22:13.58 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't think that's just canada :) |
| 22:14.05 | abrotman | !tell PVU about nvidia |
| 22:14.06 | paulswm | abrotman: no, I'm sure |
| 22:14.06 | abrotman | !tell PVU about nvidia install |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | !tell PVU about nvidia install drivers |
| 22:14.15 | abrotman | !tell PVU about nvidia drivers |
| 22:14.23 | abrotman | !tell PVU about nvidia packages |
| 22:14.29 | abrotman | bah .. where is it |
| 22:14.30 | spdf | Canehdian.. (brutal joke) |
| 22:14.37 | abrotman | !tell PVU about nvidia debs |
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| 22:14.50 | abrotman | PVU: that should give you enoguh to get started .. and #nvidia is more help |
| 22:15.02 | spdf | nvidia debs, isn't it? |
| 22:15.09 | abrotman | yeah .. i got it .. finally |
| 22:15.11 | spdf | nvidia-howto |
| 22:15.15 | kaplanfx | abrotman: both the pages dpkg tells me about are down |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | i think it's in one of those |
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| 22:15.21 | abrotman | kaplanfx: acpi.sf.net ? |
| 22:15.25 | kaplanfx | ah |
| 22:15.33 | abrotman | http://acpi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:15.45 | abrotman | kaplanfx: make sure it does what you want before you muck with it |
| 22:15.55 | kaplanfx | http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm |
| 22:15.58 | kaplanfx | that was down |
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| 22:16.06 | kaplanfx | as was http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi |
| 22:16.11 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 22:16.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0" |
| 22:16.21 | abrotman | !acpi is also http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 22:16.21 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 22:16.57 | chealer | abrotman: lol (curse) |
| 22:17.10 | abrotman | we should start a !cleanup factoid ... |
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| 22:17.23 | abrotman | for when we notice something is wrong .. but too busy to clean it up |
| 22:17.26 | nagytalp | re |
| 22:17.26 | chealer | PVU: the answer is yes. find the debian nvidia howto at home.comcast.net for complete info |
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| 22:17.38 | PVU | thanks |
| 22:17.38 | PVU | now I going to read fo a while |
| 22:17.44 | chealer | you mean a tag... |
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| 22:17.48 | abrotman | well .. no .. |
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| 22:18.05 | abrotman | a factoid where you could like /msg dpkg needs cleaning .. and it woudl spit out a list of factoids that are wrong |
| 22:18.36 | spdf | Not a bad plan |
| 22:18.44 | abrotman | sure .. but who would do the cleaning ? |
| 22:19.04 | spdf | User submitable.. ;) |
| 22:19.05 | chealer | I fixed dvd yesterday, but also handicaped it |
| 22:19.07 | chealer | !dvd |
| 22:19.07 | dpkg | it has been said that dvd is use xine or mplayer to read video DVDs, or libdvdcss2 is probably needed |
| 22:19.16 | abrotman | chealer: and it's wrong |
| 22:19.24 | abrotman | chealer: xine and libdvdread will work mostly |
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| 22:19.37 | abrotman | !info libdvdread0 sarge |
| 22:19.45 | abrotman | bah .. what is it |
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| 22:19.53 | chealer | !info libdvdread3 sarge |
| 22:19.55 | m0r3 | is there any antivirus whith grafic inerface running in sarge? |
| 22:19.56 | dpkg | libdvdread3: (Simple foundation for reading DVDs), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.4-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 22:19.57 | spdf | libdvdcss for ripping... |
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| 22:20.02 | abrotman | yeah .. there we go |
| 22:20.14 | afrosheen | here's my problem: I need one user to mount a folder in his /home that belongs to a different user, but he needs r/w access |
| 22:20.16 | chealer | !info libdvdcss2 sarge |
| 22:20.17 | abrotman | m0r3: see if clamav has one |
| 22:20.23 | m0r3 | tkx |
| 22:20.30 | abrotman | chealer: libdvdcss is not in sarge |
| 22:20.39 | chealer | oh, I got it from sid then |
| 22:20.40 | abrotman | not even close |
| 22:20.44 | spdf | Marillat has it.. |
| 22:20.45 | abrotman | no .. you got it from marillat |
| 22:20.46 | chealer | or non-free... |
| 22:20.46 | calin | rah |
| 22:20.55 | chealer | ok |
| 22:21.01 | abrotman | !css |
| 22:21.01 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 22:21.03 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:21.06 | abrotman | !decss |
| 22:21.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html |
| 22:21.12 | chealer | better remove the libdvdcss2 part indeed |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | heh .. livid |
| 22:21.28 | abrotman | chealer: xine and libdvdread3 work ok in most places ... |
| 22:21.31 | Esaj | grr why is sf.net downloads so slow |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | choose another mirror |
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| 22:21.44 | afrosheen | Esaj: I thought they had dozens of mirrors |
| 22:21.49 | spdf | yah..something from the other 20.. |
| 22:21.54 | Esaj | they do, but the mirror selection page is slow |
| 22:21.55 | ludo_2 | Esaj: choose french mirror named ovh |
| 22:22.01 | spdf | abrotman, I'm going to hit up some slow roaster ribs soon... |
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| 22:22.06 | p88 | hi all |
| 22:22.10 | p88 | how is sarge? |
| 22:22.13 | abrotman | spdf: sounds good .. i had pork chops last night |
| 22:22.16 | abrotman | p88: we like it ... |
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| 22:22.19 | spdf | abrotman, Pork is a tasty meat.. |
| 22:22.23 | spdf | p88, Super Dooper. |
| 22:22.25 | p88 | is it out as stable yet? |
| 22:22.26 | abrotman | spdf: it is indeed |
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| 22:22.32 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 22:22.32 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 22:22.37 | spdf | p88, Not "technically", but we think so.. |
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| 22:22.49 | abrotman | spdf: it's about 100 bugs shy of release :) |
| 22:22.59 | spdf | abrotman, Ooooo, I can't wait |
| 22:23.02 | lobster | what moducle do I need for a 3c589d card? |
| 22:23.05 | quitte_ | linuxland thinks so,too. those idiots are selling srage stable cds |
| 22:23.10 | spdf | It's been so long |
| 22:23.11 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ .. spdf |
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| 22:23.36 | quitte_ | isn't that illegal? |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | false advertising |
| 22:24.01 | afrosheen | breathing is illegal in the US |
| 22:24.06 | borracho | anyone having problems with mozilla? can't login to www.cingular.com, mozilla dies, why? |
| 22:24.13 | dondelelcaro | depends on what Auch wenn die "stable" Version noch etwas auf sich warten läßt, der Lesestoff ist auf dem neuesten Stand. means, exactly... |
| 22:24.18 | abrotman | borracho: did you try firefox? |
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| 22:24.22 | bluenose | need help with h/d install of koppix |
| 22:24.34 | OpenRealty | I am trying to scp copy a directory from my remote machine to my local machine so I do scp root@192.168.0.30:/usr/local/video/hitchh~1.avi /home/userman/media |
| 22:24.34 | abrotman | not here |
| 22:24.36 | dondelelcaro | bluenose: try #knoppix |
| 22:24.39 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 22:24.39 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 22:24.41 | fusion | borracho: I have similar issues with firefox, my guess is that the sites are somehow designed for IE (for example, they may generate javascript errors) |
| 22:24.44 | spdf | bluenose, #debian isn't #knoppix |
| 22:24.45 | borracho | abrotman: no, tried epiphany, konkeror |
| 22:24.49 | kaplanfx | anyone know something about lmsensors smart fan guardian? |
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| 22:25.02 | Esaj | prdownloads.sf.net is ridiculously slow |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | borracho: try asking #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org at all? |
| 22:25.08 | Xemacs | i a chroot sid install with udev it will not let me install/configure kernel ? |
| 22:25.08 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: is that the old bbc series? |
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| 22:25.21 | Xemacs | s/sid/srage/ |
| 22:25.31 | borracho | abrotman, fusion: will do that, thanks |
| 22:25.32 | OpenRealty | quitte: YES |
| 22:25.35 | OpenRealty | its mad good |
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| 22:25.43 | abrotman | borracho: oh ..one more thing |
| 22:25.44 | bluenose | can i install koppix on 2nd h/d without using bootloader |
| 22:25.46 | abrotman | fusion: you too |
| 22:25.51 | abrotman | bluenose: not here .. |
| 22:25.57 | ludo_2 | OpenRealty: tray to rename hitchh~1.avi without the ~ |
| 22:26.01 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: it sucks. the book is far better. i like arthrs dress,though |
| 22:26.03 | OpenRealty | quitte: I am trying to copy the dir /usr/local/video to /home/media but it tells me its not aregular file |
| 22:26.05 | bluenose | sorry dont understand |
| 22:26.05 | fusion | hm? |
| 22:26.08 | valdyn | borracho: my firefox doesn't crash, but that site looks broken |
| 22:26.09 | OpenRealty | ludo_2: thanks |
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| 22:26.11 | abrotman | borracho: fusion: try chaging the the identifier string |
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| 22:26.13 | spdf | fusion, #knoppix |
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| 22:26.16 | fusion | bluenose: #knoppix |
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| 22:26.20 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: got the dvd box here |
| 22:26.26 | abrotman | bluenose: this is #debian .. this is not a channel for knoppix support |
| 22:26.27 | streuner__ | bluenose: see what dondelelcaro told you |
| 22:26.28 | p88 | is it possible to install RPM packages under Debian? |
| 22:26.29 | OpenRealty | I can copy one file but how do I do the whole direcotry |
| 22:26.31 | abrotman | !tell bluenose about d-i |
| 22:26.32 | chealer | borracho: does it crash with flash disabled? |
| 22:26.34 | spdf | Er ah... |
| 22:26.35 | borracho | abrotman: ?? |
| 22:26.36 | atholas | bluenose: /join #knoppix |
| 22:26.42 | fusion | abrotman: Ohh okay thanks for that |
| 22:26.52 | ludo_2 | OpenRealty: -r option for directories |
| 22:26.53 | abrotman | borracho: if you're showing your borwser as IE .. it may give you different code than saying you're mozilla |
| 22:26.54 | ReclusE | ok, I got my machine booted to the command prompt using the boot cd. now how do I fix LILo? |
| 22:26.54 | SlayerXP | p88: if I say "no", will you forget all about it? |
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| 22:26.57 | OpenRealty | quitte_: nice I had the dvd but lost it so I downloaded it from edonky :) |
| 22:26.59 | p88 | no |
| 22:27.06 | p88 | I just want to know |
| 22:27.11 | spdf | p88, alien |
| 22:27.11 | abrotman | p88: kind of ... |
| 22:27.13 | borracho | my flash is broken, have installed all from sid that is gpl, doesnt work |
| 22:27.14 | abrotman | !alien |
| 22:27.14 | dpkg | well, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 22:27.14 | OpenRealty | ludo_2: thanks dude |
| 22:27.15 | p88 | SlayerXP: it is not possible? |
| 22:27.15 | Xemacs | i a chroot sid install with udev it will not let me install/configure kernel ? here is error message "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hdb3 is not a block device |
| 22:27.15 | SlayerXP | p88: yes, but doing so is probably dumb |
| 22:27.16 | Xemacs | Failed to create initrd image. |
| 22:27.16 | Xemacs | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 (--configure): |
| 22:27.16 | Xemacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.16 | Xemacs | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 22:27.16 | dpkg | Xemacs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:27.16 | *** kick/#debian [Xemacs!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 22:27.32 | abrotman | you would think a guy with the nick xemacs would konw better |
| 22:27.32 | p88 | ok thanks |
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| 22:27.39 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: i still haven't heard the radio play :( |
| 22:27.42 | OpenRealty | ludo_2: its working nice! |
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| 22:27.53 | ReclusE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.58 | ReclusE | anyone |
| 22:28.00 | ludo_2 | OberHome: of course ;-) |
| 22:28.02 | spdf | ReclusE, Whats wrong with it? |
| 22:28.03 | OpenRealty | quitte_: I have the ebook too, yes I have heard the book and radio and tv versions are all differnt |
| 22:28.15 | ReclusE | it wont boot, like LILO is corrupt |
| 22:28.35 | borracho | will logback again, one sec |
| 22:28.40 | spdf | ReclusE, How large is the boot partition? |
| 22:28.41 | Xemacs | sorry all next time #flood |
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| 22:28.49 | ReclusE | how do I find that out? |
| 22:28.49 | spdf | Xemacs, Good stuff |
| 22:28.51 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: and tv version is the worst. it's all sooooo cheap. |
| 22:28.54 | OpenRealty | I only get 2mb per sec copying from two computers on the same desk on the lan with just a router between them I thought it was 10/100 mbs ethernet? |
| 22:29.01 | spdf | ReclusE, You partitioned it, didn;t you? |
| 22:29.10 | lobster | what module do I need for a 3c589d card? |
| 22:29.12 | ReclusE | yes, it's a small partition |
| 22:29.19 | OpenRealty | quitte: yes completely but the music is good and its kind of funny that way |
| 22:29.19 | spdf | ReclusE, Are you dual booting? |
| 22:29.24 | ReclusE | no |
| 22:29.25 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: and Marvin definately doesn't look like marvin in the book |
| 22:29.27 | fusion | OpenRealty: are you using ftp? |
| 22:29.31 | p88 | SlayerXP: the problem is that some commercial products are only available in RPM and putting it into apt-get is kinda hard to impossible to do |
| 22:29.32 | streuner__ | lobster: what does groups.google.com say? |
| 22:29.38 | OpenRealty | fusion: ssh |
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| 22:29.46 | lobster | streuner__ good question, been sorting through the output |
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| 22:29.51 | OpenRealty | fusion: scp command |
| 22:29.54 | spdf | ReclusE, Which partition is the kernel on? |
| 22:29.54 | fusion | OpenRealty: Oh okay.. I noticed things like that using ftp heh..reached 400K max |
| 22:30.01 | ReclusE | hdc1 |
| 22:30.04 | SlayerXP | p88: say to venodr of commercial product "package for my chosen distribution, or I buy from someone who will" |
| 22:30.23 | OpenRealty | fusion: yeah its not a big deal Im just curious |
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| 22:30.31 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: played or read starship titanic? |
| 22:30.34 | valdyn | OpenRealty: cheap router, cheap cable, getting that low on 100 mbit ethernet isnt unusual |
| 22:30.37 | cmartine | how do you mount a USB microdrive? Ive installed usb drivers on 2.6 |
| 22:30.42 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem i ve installed gcc 2.95 on debian and libc6 but i cant compile any file cuz needs libc6-devel then when i go to install this package i got one error from version and now what can i do ? |
| 22:30.43 | OpenRealty | quitte_: I have heard about it but never played it |
| 22:30.48 | cmartine | doesnt show up |
| 22:30.51 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: i'd buy the game at once if it was offered to me |
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| 22:30.52 | spdf | ReclusE, when you run lilo, do you get any errors? |
| 22:30.58 | danny- | how do i restart me computer after i log out of debian, so that when my computer comes back on i dont haev to scan the disk? |
| 22:31.01 | ReclusE | how do i run LILO? |
| 22:31.04 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: i read the book. it's fantastic |
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| 22:31.14 | OpenRealty | quitte_: what type of game is it/ |
| 22:31.15 | spdf | ReclusE, lilo at the command line |
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| 22:31.17 | fusion | my network equipment wasnt cheap :/ $400 router (US$350) and cat6 cable and linksys net cards |
| 22:31.25 | ReclusE | k, I'll try |
| 22:31.32 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: some sort of adventure |
| 22:31.43 | p88 | SlayerXP: this may not be possible because people like Alias make unique software |
| 22:31.46 | setnf | someone can help me ? |
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| 22:31.53 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem i ve installed gcc 2.95 on debian and libc6 but i cant compile any file cuz needs libc6-devel then when i go to install this package i got one error from version and now what can i do ? |
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| 22:31.56 | borracho | hey guys, someone said something about fixing flash in mozilla, i missed it, can you repeat? |
| 22:31.57 | quitte_ | OpenRealty: but as dna had his hands in i guess it's pretty weird. don'T know a lot about it,though |
| 22:32.00 | spdf | ReclusE, check in your /etc/lilo.conf, and check to make sure things are as they should be.. |
| 22:32.05 | OpenRealty | valdyn: thanks I didnt know that yes this is a netgear m184 wirelss router I got on ebay wihtout a power cord for 20 bucks I |
| 22:32.17 | nagytalp | can tellin anybody an ftp source where i can download HP-UX? |
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| 22:32.45 | fusion | isnt HP UX commercial? |
| 22:32.53 | fusion | or is that irix.. |
| 22:33.01 | danny- | how do i restart me computer after i log out of debian, so that when my computer comes back on i dont haev to scan the disk? |
| 22:33.05 | quitte_ | fusin both are |
| 22:33.05 | directhex | setnf, which version of libc6? |
| 22:33.09 | OpenRealty | cthulfuego: I am very new to irc |
| 22:33.09 | fusion | oh |
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| 22:33.14 | valdyn | OpenRealty: i have no idea about that device, but even if it was decent, its a combination out of all i mentioned + network card / slow computer |
| 22:33.16 | nagytalp | i donno:) |
| 22:33.23 | OpenRealty | true |
| 22:33.23 | rafx | its nice to see patches from Ubuntu & other debian-based distros making their way back into debian unstable |
| 22:33.31 | spdf | danny-, CTRL-ALT-DELETE should restart... |
| 22:33.31 | cthulfuego | OpenRealty: Scripts that do thsi kind of things aren't permitted here. |
| 22:33.34 | p88 | I ask again in open: is it possible to install RPMs on Debian? |
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| 22:33.36 | setnf | directhex the latest i think |
| 22:33.44 | directhex | !latest |
| 22:33.44 | dpkg | newest is, like, For your Debian, say "3.0", "Sarge",similar. |
| 22:33.44 | fusion | !alien |
| 22:33.44 | dpkg | [alien] a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 22:33.51 | OpenRealty | How do I turn of these scripts? |
| 22:33.51 | Bewd | I'm using debian 2.4.27 and my video resolution only goes up to a max of 800/600 how can I add more resolutions? I set it at 1280/1024 at kde setup |
| 22:33.52 | fusion | p88: read what dpkg says |
| 22:33.58 | sussudio | p88: it would be the same as shitting in your bathtub. |
| 22:33.59 | cmartine | shit guys - apt-get install hotplug will allowyou to automatically mount your drive |
| 22:34.00 | streuner__ | p88: theoritcal yes, but don't use it. |
| 22:34.15 | nagytalp | Bewd: my problem is same :) |
| 22:34.16 | directhex | setnf, if you can't give useful answers, consider this dialog complete. |
| 22:34.16 | valdyn | p88: you really really dont want to do that, even if possible, if avoidable at all |
| 22:34.23 | SlayerXP | p88: vote with your feet. easy. |
| 22:34.29 | setnf | directhex ok wait. |
| 22:34.30 | quitte_ | cmartine uhm no. does not. |
| 22:34.33 | nagytalp | with kernel 2.6 |
| 22:34.33 | p88 | I have no choice but to try |
| 22:34.35 | cthulfuego | p88: Yes, you can. You *will* break your system if you do it. Convert the .rpm to .deb using 'alien', then install the .deb. |
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| 22:34.50 | nagytalp | ok im go to sleep :) |
| 22:34.52 | directhex | Bewd, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, set it up right. |
| 22:34.53 | nagytalp | by |
| 22:34.56 | chealer | Bewd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:34.56 | nagytalp | bye |
| 22:34.57 | fusion | p88: no source? |
| 22:35.15 | cthulfuego | p88: if all else fails, convert the .rpm to .tgz using alien and unpack it manually, somewhere safe. |
| 22:35.16 | paulswm | 'screen' is going to take a bit of getting used to |
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| 22:35.31 | p88 | that sounds great |
| 22:35.33 | p88 | the alien |
| 22:35.42 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:35.42 | cthulfuego | p88: It doesn't always work. |
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| 22:35.52 | helloyo | can you supermount with debian? |
| 22:36.04 | tripz__ | running sarge, have som .rar files to unpack, what to do? |
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| 22:36.12 | cthulfuego | tripz__: Run unrar |
| 22:36.14 | KlaasVaag | hi ppls.. i just reinstalled debian and apt bugs me about MMap running out of room.. anyone any clues? |
| 22:36.17 | KlaasVaag | problems started when changing to sarge and issueing apt-get dist-upgrade: |
| 22:36.23 | Ringo999 | what does modconf do, how do i use it? if i wanne start it, it cant be found. where do i get it? |
| 22:36.27 | KlaasVaag | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/coreutils_5.2.1-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 22:36.27 | dpkg | You are moron #1, KlaasVaag |
| 22:36.28 | distempr | How can I check what version NFS I'm running? |
| 22:36.31 | quitte_ | helloyo that has nothing to do with the dsitrbution but with the kernel |
| 22:36.34 | paulswm | tripz__: or rar e |
| 22:36.36 | dskippy_ | I have a driver that gives me no output, not /var/log/messages and no errors. It does not create a device (I'm using devfs). How do I know what's wrong? There are very little docs online about the driver (grip) |
| 22:36.37 | KlaasVaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.39 | p88 | right thanks a lot you people |
| 22:36.43 | p88 | I am going to sleep |
| 22:36.45 | chealer | directhex: lol, I was looking for a bind for that to be the first next time and I found it first attempt (drxx) :) |
| 22:36.50 | p88 | 23:36 |
| 22:36.50 | helloyo | quitte_, oh ok, does the 2.6.* series of sarge kernel support it? |
| 22:37.01 | p88 | byebye |
| 22:37.19 | quitte_ | helloyo no. you'd have to find a patch |
| 22:37.21 | Bewd | ok when I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree 86 it gives me a list of x server drivers... which one do I want? |
| 22:37.33 | setnf | directhex configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot |
| 22:37.33 | setnf | > > create executables. |
| 22:37.33 | setnf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.36 | chealer | Bewd: probably the same that was already selected |
| 22:37.44 | directhex | !b-e setnf |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | setnf: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:37.55 | Bewd | how do I know which one that was? <sigh> It just gives a list then I'm sposed to enter a number chealer |
| 22:37.56 | tripz__ | cthulfuego: cant install unrar (its tagged as grave functionality bug) and apt-get tells me rar has no installation candidate... :( |
| 22:38.00 | helloyo | quitte_ok thanks, is it possible to just get the source, patch it (bootsplash and supermount) and then edit the current configuration before compiling? or do i have to start from scratch? |
| 22:38.08 | setnf | directhex sorry i didnt understand.. |
| 22:38.19 | directhex | for the love of god -_- |
| 22:38.24 | chealer | Bewd: hum let me try |
| 22:38.29 | danny- | im trying to install gnome adn i keep seeing the error "is libgnome-perl2 installed?" while its unpacking files |
| 22:38.30 | setnf | directhex im not GURU :) |
| 22:38.39 | quitte_ | helloyo using the old config is possible - but be careful. debian uses initrd kernels |
| 22:38.41 | Bewd | chealer ; is it ok if I pm you? |
| 22:38.45 | paulswm | tripz__: I have rar installed OK on sarge |
| 22:38.45 | directhex | setnf, as "root", which is a user with lots of magical powers, type "apt-get install build-essential" |
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| 22:38.46 | setnf | directhex can help me or not ? :( |
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| 22:38.52 | krenin | hello |
| 22:38.55 | chealer | Bewd: yes |
| 22:38.56 | tripz__ | paulswm: apt-get tells me rar has no installation candidate... :( |
| 22:38.59 | helloyo | quitte_, sorry, whats an initrd kernel? |
| 22:39.03 | quitte_ | helloyo: if you know how to make a kernel for your system i'd recommend that. |
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| 22:39.28 | directhex | tripz__, unrar, or unrar-nonfree |
| 22:39.31 | hacim | hmm, I've got a newer version of a package available, but apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't find it, and if I do apt-get install it says the newest one is installed, but apt-cache show shows me a higher version number available in another repository |
| 22:39.33 | setnf | directhex hmmm thanks just type apt-get install build-essential ? sorry i never use debian .. :/ |
| 22:39.34 | helloyo | quitte_, i was reading up on it, but couldn't be bothered recompiling for my first time because of bootsplash, but now with supermount... |
| 22:39.38 | ludo_2 | tripz__: unrar, or use apt-cache search rar |
| 22:39.39 | quitte_ | helloyo a kernel that isn't able to mount your root filesystem without loading modules for your hardware first from a ramdisk |
| 22:39.43 | paulswm | tripz__: then you're mixing distros or not running sarge, because it's there all right |
| 22:39.53 | directhex | setnf, how did you install gcc? |
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| 22:40.15 | setnf | directhex it was installed via base on first step installation |
| 22:40.29 | paulswm | tripz__: it's in non-free, forgot |
| 22:40.30 | quitte_ | helloyo do you *need* supermount? i doubt it's worth the trouble unless you have a true need for it. |
| 22:40.38 | directhex | setnf, gcc isn't part of a base debian install. |
| 22:40.49 | helloyo | quitte_, no i don't have a true need for it, but it is an excuse to learn how to recompile |
| 22:40.50 | tripz__ | paulswm: ok, tnx.. |
| 22:40.52 | quitte_ | helloyo and noone needs bootsplash of course |
| 22:40.55 | paulswm | tripz__: np |
| 22:41.13 | danny- | im trying to install gnome adn i keep seeing the error "is libgnome2-perl installed?" while its unpacking files |
| 22:41.21 | setnf | directhex oh sorry when i update my sources.list it was installed when i put apt-get upgrade.. |
| 22:41.27 | quitte_ | helloyo than learn how to configure a kernel for no excuse except learning how to do it. patching a kernel comes later |
| 22:41.42 | directhex | setnf, sigh. paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 22:41.58 | helloyo | ok, thanks quitte_ |
| 22:42.08 | quitte_ | helloyo: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 22:42.16 | KlaasVaag | hi.. i guess my question is kinda split up and therefore not easy to understand, i'll rephrase: I just installed debian and wanted to use sarge.. therefore i changed all references of 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'sarge'.. now, when issueing apt-get dist-upgrade, i receive the following error.. |
| 22:42.17 | setnf | directhex im not on debian but i got it from my friend and it works on him system |
| 22:42.19 | KlaasVaag | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/coreutils_5.2.1-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 22:42.19 | dpkg | You are moron #2, KlaasVaag |
| 22:42.19 | KlaasVaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.19 | KlaasVaag | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 22:42.29 | KlaasVaag | anyone can help me with this? |
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| 22:42.32 | danny- | im trying to install gnome adn i keep seeing the error unable to initialize gnome; is libgnome2-perl installed?" while its unpacking files |
| 22:42.36 | jazzmans | KlaasVaag; paste in #paste, not here. |
| 22:42.44 | jazzmans | er, #flood, sorry! |
| 22:43.05 | quitte_ | helloyo: lspci shows you what hardware you have. make sure you enable all hardware and filesystem drivers you need to boot. modularize the rest. |
| 22:43.09 | setnf | directhex sorry but need i just type apt-get install build-essential ? |
| 22:43.26 | valdyn | !find join.1.gz |
| 22:43.29 | KlaasVaag | o thought 3 lines werent a problem.. |
| 22:43.30 | directhex | setnf, assuming your system isn't fuced |
| 22:43.33 | De_Mon | hmm.. I'm in a linked directory, so when I move a file to .. it goes to the real .. not the dir the link is in. how can I do a 'cd ..' and get to the directory the file is in? |
| 22:43.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'join.1.gz' (7 shown; 9 total): (/usr/share/man/man1/ijoin.1.gz) in text/ispell ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/pdfjoin.1.gz) in text/pdfjam ;; (/usr/share/man/man1/join.1.gz) in base/coreutils ;; (/usr/share/man/pl/man1/join.1.gz) in doc/manpages-pl ;; (/usr/share/man/ja/man1/join.1.gz) in doc/manpages-ja ;; (/usr/share/man/de/man1/join.1.gz) in doc/manpages-de ;; (/usr/share/man/fr/man1/join.1.gz) in doc/manpages-fr. |
| 22:43.33 | directhex | *fucked |
| 22:43.51 | jazzmans | question for #debian, why is it usually recommended to install stable then upgrade to testing, rather then just installing sarge rc? |
| 22:43.56 | directhex | setnf, and to be honest, i'd be surprised if it';s not fucked, given the fact that gcc has magically appeared without use of apt |
| 22:43.56 | setnf | directhex ok thanks a lot man n8 ;) |
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| 22:44.24 | tripz__ | paulswm: hmm.. added section non-free to my sources.list (updates allright) but no rar package.. dpkg -l rar shows un .. whats the package name? apt-cache search rar returns one million hits :) |
| 22:44.25 | setnf | directhex maybe i ll try again cya thanks again |
| 22:44.26 | directhex | danny-, it means you've asked debconf to use the gnome front end to ask questions, but don't have the needed package sinstalled |
| 22:44.33 | a-atwood | KlassVaag: I think you wanted "testing" instead of "sarge". I live dangerously and just use "unstable". |
| 22:44.35 | hacim | how can I tell apt to install a newer version of a package that isn't set as a Candidate becaue it is pinned to Stable? |
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| 22:44.43 | directhex | danny-, either install libgnome2-perl, or dpkg-reconfigure debconf and pick something like dialog |
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| 22:44.59 | danny- | alright thnx |
| 22:45.00 | directhex | hacim, apt-get install foo -t bar |
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| 22:45.09 | directhex | hacim, _DON'T_ mix sarge/sid with woody though |
| 22:45.13 | directhex | !bobbitt |
| 22:45.13 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 22:45.21 | willis | anyone have a working source.list file they can send me |
| 22:45.29 | hacim | directhex: yeah, but how do you determine what -t bar should be? |
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| 22:45.32 | directhex | willis, type 'apt-setup' as root |
| 22:45.32 | KlaasVaag | a-atwood, actually.. i wanted sarge.. but maybe i could settle for testing.. |
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| 22:45.42 | directhex | KlaasVaag, same thing |
| 22:45.47 | uruboro | KlaasVaag, good thinking ;) |
| 22:46.01 | willis | no apt-setup |
| 22:46.18 | directhex | hacim, well if you want a package from sid, use -t sid ot -t unstable. etc. |
| 22:46.18 | KlaasVaag | i thought so.. but sarge will stay the same.. testing will change eventually, so not exactly the same.. |
| 22:46.23 | directhex | willis, as root. |
| 22:46.24 | a-atwood | KlaasVaag: the strings mean the same thing. but there is no "sarge" dir on the package servers |
| 22:46.27 | willis | ar root |
| 22:46.42 | KlaasVaag | a-atwood, ok.. i wasnt aware of that.. apt-get update worked correctly |
| 22:46.48 | hacim | directhex: its from volatile, and -t volatile doesn't work |
| 22:47.01 | directhex | hacim, what on god's green earth is volatile? |
| 22:47.12 | danny- | alright i selected dialogue, now how do i get gnome working? |
| 22:47.15 | a-atwood | KlaasVaag: might want to dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade. |
| 22:47.16 | willis | someone please just copy and send a working file ... please |
| 22:47.22 | hacim | directhex: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00012.html |
| 22:47.23 | tripz__ | paulswm: nevermind, got it from packages.debian.org.. but it was sure hard to find.. |
| 22:47.40 | danny- | how do i restart my computer when im in debian? |
| 22:47.49 | directhex | willis, _NO_. |
| 22:48.06 | directhex | willis, becuase any random file could fuck you system. |
| 22:48.14 | directhex | willis, which version of debian exactly do you have installed? |
| 22:48.15 | calin | whatchoo talkin bout willis? |
| 22:48.24 | KlaasVaag | a-atwood, i did |
| 22:48.25 | jazzmans | willis is trolling again? He refused help in here and knoppix |
| 22:48.31 | paulswm | directhex: he's running knoppix |
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| 22:48.49 | directhex | oh. so why the motherfucking motherfuck does he want debian config files? |
| 22:48.55 | willis | hay a working file .. more i try to change ... more it just screws me up |
| 22:48.57 | danny- | how do i restart my computer when im in debian? |
| 22:49.04 | greenfly | directhex: so he doesn't have to read the documentation and instructions we keep sending him to read |
| 22:49.05 | jazzmans | danny shutdown -h now |
| 22:49.07 | snadge | how do i check whether debian is configured to use local time or greenwich mean time for its clock? |
| 22:49.07 | paulswm | directhex: because he's a twit |
| 22:49.07 | directhex | willis, yes. that's a knoppix problem. |
| 22:49.10 | SlayerXP | danny-: kill -9 -1 |
| 22:49.14 | greenfly | directhex: he wants someone to do everything for him |
| 22:49.17 | dondelelcaro | snadge: /etc/defaults/rcS |
| 22:49.18 | directhex | !tell willis about debian solutions |
| 22:49.22 | greenfly | directhex: which is a willis problem, not a knoppix problem |
| 22:49.22 | snadge | i have set the time zone correctly, but ntpdate sets the wrong time |
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| 22:49.36 | directhex | danny-, 'reboot' as root |
| 22:49.38 | a-atwood | danny-: or /sbin/reboot |
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| 22:49.58 | jazzmans | danny; to reboot, : shutdown -r now |
| 22:50.03 | dondelelcaro | snadge: first question is whether or not date; outputs the proper time in the proper timezone. |
| 22:50.03 | a-atwood | danny-: or <ctrl><alt><del> |
| 22:50.06 | msamsing | danny-: if you use shutdown -h now, you will halt your system .. to reboot just type reboot or shutdown -r now |
| 22:50.13 | calin | to reboot: pull the power plug |
| 22:50.19 | calin | hit the reboot button |
| 22:50.27 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 22:50.29 | dondelelcaro | snadge: if that's the case, ntpdate should be setting the time and delta properly. |
| 22:50.31 | calin | stab a fork in the hd cable |
| 22:50.38 | calin | and pull out your cpu mid cycle |
| 22:50.47 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: try apt-get clean ( or move that and after that _just_ apt-get install coreutils |
| 22:50.53 | a-atwood | !lart boss's laptop |
| 22:51.03 | calin | !lart gnome |
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| 22:51.10 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: but you might want to move the already downloaded stuff out of the way first |
| 22:51.14 | snadge | dondelelcaro, well i've set the time to localtime instead of GMT.. do i have to reboot to update this setting? |
| 22:51.18 | willis | Debians only problem .. i need open-mosix install at the install time ... does debain by default offer that option |
| 22:51.21 | helloyo | i'm doing my first kernel compile, should i leave out bootsplash this time? |
| 22:51.41 | a-atwood | Doub: it can happen in hours |
| 22:51.41 | dondelelcaro | snadge: no. first figure out what date; outputs, and then what date -u; outputs. |
| 22:51.44 | slocate | any idea why a I can't do make xconfig on debian? |
| 22:51.47 | dondelelcaro | snadge: they should be correct. |
| 22:51.55 | slocate | i get wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk |
| 22:51.56 | slocate | make: wish: Command not found |
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| 22:52.14 | vulture | slocate: guess you need to install some things.. |
| 22:52.14 | directhex | !tell willis about debian solutions |
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| 22:52.28 | Ringo999 | hi there. anyone out there using soundblaster live under debain (sarge). im having problems getting it to work |
| 22:52.35 | slocate | vulture: wish i knew |
| 22:52.38 | pipeline | Ringo999: I thought you had it working...? |
| 22:52.39 | slocate | lol |
| 22:52.43 | paulswm | directhex: you are on a loser there I think |
| 22:52.45 | Ringo999 | nope. |
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| 22:52.53 | Ringo999 | i had to reinstall. |
| 22:52.57 | Ringo999 | now it doesnt work anymore |
| 22:52.58 | KlaasVaag | valdyn, there goes my download quota :P |
| 22:53.01 | doub | a-atwood: i guess so. nice life goal, btw |
| 22:53.03 | Ringo999 | added root to audio group |
| 22:53.14 | vulture | slocate: well perhaps you could look for a package with a "wish" program in it. and/or check the Suggests: and Recommends: in the kernel source package.. |
| 22:53.15 | directhex | paulswm, only because i don't have +o |
| 22:53.17 | simonrvn | Ringo999: why did you do that? no point ot it |
| 22:53.25 | paulswm | directhex: heh, good one |
| 22:53.30 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: oh, i added that you might want to move the downloaded stuff out of the way first.. |
| 22:53.36 | slocate | vulture: fist time i encoutere this |
| 22:53.42 | willis | Debian lacks a option to install open-mosix at time of install .. hence the draw back |
| 22:53.42 | slocate | encounter* |
| 22:53.52 | willis | hence my search for assistance |
| 22:54.23 | npx | Why is that a drawback? |
| 22:54.39 | snadge | dondelelcaro, both localtime and gmt are wrong.. one is 8 hours in front (localtime), the other is 2 hours behind localtime (GMT) |
| 22:54.45 | willis | cant get it installed ... |
| 22:54.46 | directhex | who the hell uses openmosix anyway, other than kids with two old p2's they want to call a "cluster"? |
| 22:55.07 | KlaasVaag | a-atwood, valdyn problem persists after changing sarge to testing -> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:55.09 | willis | p2 ... yea .. p4 and a 1.1 ghz celeron ... |
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| 22:55.14 | dondelelcaro | snadge: ok, first things first, you don't have your timezone set right. Run tzconfig; and set it properly. |
| 22:55.14 | willis | and a p333 |
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| 22:55.17 | pipeline | directhex: I've used OpenMosix. It's terrible. |
| 22:55.17 | simonrvn | one assumes if you're going to be installing a kid version of clustering, you know what you're doing |
| 22:55.18 | slocate | vulture: that happend with 2.4.29 |
| 22:55.18 | willis | and a p100 |
| 22:55.22 | willis | 4 pc's here |
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| 22:55.33 | pipeline | willis: You probably want distcc, not OpenMosix. |
| 22:55.40 | snadge | dondelelcaro, it is set to australia/queensland/brisbane.. which is apparently correct |
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| 22:55.45 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: sarge vs testing makes no difference in this case |
| 22:55.49 | directhex | i was right! |
| 22:55.50 | directhex | !win me |
| 22:55.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, directhex! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 22:55.57 | npx | snadge do you not know what tz you're in? =D |
| 22:56.01 | paulswm | !beer directhex |
| 22:56.09 | dondelelcaro | snadge: and what timezone does date; output for you? |
| 22:56.10 | snadge | its a remote server.. as far as i know, its in queensland hehe |
| 22:56.11 | npx | I often forget what day of the week it is, hehehe |
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| 22:56.41 | willis | I just need a simple copy of a us mirrored source.list file ... that works |
| 22:56.43 | jan_ | is there any nice introduction tutorial about building debian packages? |
| 22:56.59 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:57.03 | npx | willis deb http://us.debian.org/testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:57.22 | KlaasVaag | valdyn, then what is everyone bothering about it while i have other problems? |
| 22:57.25 | npx | willis now develop that frontal lobe, and you'll be in good shape |
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| 22:58.04 | directhex | npx, no chance if you spoon-feed him things which won't help him |
| 22:58.08 | jazzmans | npx, jjazz already gave him that, he didn't get it. |
| 22:58.09 | dondelelcaro | snadge: hint, if you set your timezone to EST, you've got the America/New_York one, not the timezone you want. |
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| 22:58.24 | willis | not a single link ... a complete working mirror update file |
| 22:58.26 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: no idea, thats a misunderstanding, the difference between sarge and testing is irrelevant for you until sarge gets released as stable, and thats months away |
| 22:58.31 | jan_ | thanks |
| 22:58.33 | willis | source.list file complete .. |
| 22:58.46 | snadge | dondelelcaro, so i should just set my timezone to America/New_York? |
| 22:58.54 | npx | willis THAT ONE LINE *IS* A COMPLETE SOURCES.LIST |
| 22:58.54 | snadge | even though its in brisbane australia.. lol |
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| 22:59.04 | dondelelcaro | snadge: no, you're in NZ, right? you should be using Australia/Queensland or whatever. |
| 22:59.16 | UN_DK | Hi. What is the name of the latest version of Debian (Testing)? |
| 22:59.22 | caphuso | sarge |
| 22:59.23 | dondelelcaro | snadge: your next step is to get the utc time set properly. |
| 22:59.27 | caphuso | (still) |
| 22:59.31 | UN_DK | thx |
| 22:59.31 | danny- | how do i enable x-window-system manually? |
| 22:59.39 | simonrvn | and the guy wants to install openmosix... okaaay |
| 22:59.42 | directhex | danny-, what does that mean? |
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| 22:59.48 | jazzmans | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:59.51 | directhex | simonrvn, so he can compile on multiple p100s! |
| 23:00.04 | dondelelcaro | snadge: just use date --set "Tue Jan 25 23:00:00 UTC 2005"; and you should be on the way |
| 23:00.10 | KlaasVaag | valdyn, you dont by any chance know a solution to my problem? |
| 23:00.15 | npx | ...connected via null modem cables! daisy-chained, baby! |
| 23:00.16 | simonrvn | why not just install distcc, like someone else said? |
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| 23:01.05 | jazzmans | simonrvn; because he/she/it doesn't want to read anything or learn, but be spoonfed. |
| 23:01.06 | pipeline | willis: OpenMosix is a pain to set up. If you do get it set up, it sucks. In any case, distcc is going to be radically faster. |
| 23:01.16 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: nope, i *think* you should redownload coreutils and install it, thats it |
| 23:01.25 | simonrvn | if he wants to make it more difficult for himself, up to him, but distcc would be easier |
| 23:01.28 | slocate | has anybody compiled 2.4.29 on a fresh installed testing??? |
| 23:01.39 | snadge | dondelelcaro, okay yeah.. that will work, but why does ntpdate set the wrong time? :) |
| 23:01.42 | sussudio | !irritate slackd00d |
| 23:01.43 | dpkg | slackd00d: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh mouse U FUX0RZ |
| 23:01.49 | sussudio | snort/. |
| 23:01.55 | npx | snadge you've got the wrong ntp server! |
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| 23:02.27 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: that error message is quite vague.. "permission denied" could mean disk full? i dont know |
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| 23:03.38 | RS_Asleep | Hello :) Built a 2.4.28 kernel. Everytime I boot up though ksymoops cannot write it tells. Which is isn't suprising as the HD is read only at that point. So the question is a) should the drive be read only at the point b) Why does ksymoops want to write? |
| 23:03.39 | danny- | how do i configure my X display manager |
| 23:03.47 | KlaasVaag | i just installed debian on a 20 G partition.. disk is not full.. partition is mounted RW.. |
| 23:03.52 | willis | crud |
| 23:03.59 | a-atwood | danny-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:04.19 | Esaj | is there a program for viewing raw disk data block-by-block? |
| 23:04.37 | Esaj | say, if I want to view the data in block # 1234 |
| 23:04.38 | Ringo999 | got soundblaster working!!! yippi!!!! used alsa! ;) |
| 23:04.48 | gravity | Ringo999: Congratulations :-) |
| 23:04.54 | willis | i need a simple file transfer ... of a complete working source.list file |
| 23:04.57 | gravity | Ringo999: What was the problem in the end? |
| 23:05.02 | doub | KlaasVaag: what does "strace stat /usr/share/man/man1/join.1.gz" say? |
| 23:05.08 | npx | You know, getting a soundblaster working used to be as simple as 'insmod sb' |
| 23:05.19 | simonrvn | Ringo999: btw, root doesn't need to be in group audio. it's pointless |
| 23:05.38 | directhex | willis, you were already given one. perhaps you're just stupid? |
| 23:05.47 | willis | in is incomplete |
| 23:05.50 | directhex | !drxx danny- |
| 23:05.51 | dpkg | danny-: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:05.57 | simonrvn | willis: /lastlog us.debian |
| 23:05.59 | Ringo999 | gravity: i dont really know, i just switched the whole thing to alsa |
| 23:05.59 | KlaasVaag | doub, strace: command not found :) |
| 23:06.02 | danny- | i have a geforce 2 ti, what would be my bus identifier? |
| 23:06.02 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: so last idea was that that deb is broken -> download it again |
| 23:06.05 | simonrvn | willis: no it isn't |
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| 23:06.13 | Ringo999 | gravity: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:06.19 | Ringo999 | ;) |
| 23:06.19 | doub | KlaasVaag: apt-get install strace |
| 23:06.29 | Ringo999 | live can be so easy sometimes ;) |
| 23:06.32 | KlaasVaag | valdyn, did apt-get clean several times.. so it must have been downloaded at least three times.. |
| 23:06.36 | snadge | dondelelcaro, i set the date the way you say.. then it automatically changes it from 10am (like it should be) to 5pm! argh |
| 23:06.44 | gravity | Hm... ok |
| 23:06.48 | KlaasVaag | doub: i cannot install anything using apt atm :S |
| 23:06.49 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: heh, i cant guess that. Alright |
| 23:06.52 | willis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.52 | willis | Hit http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable/non-US/non-free Release |
| 23:06.52 | willis | Hit http://ftp2.de.debian.org ../project/experimental/main Packages |
| 23:06.52 | willis | Hit http://ftp2.de.debian.org ../project/experimental/main Release |
| 23:06.52 | willis | Hit http://ftp2.de.debian.org ../project/experimental/contrib Packages |
| 23:06.52 | *** kick/#debian [willis!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 23:06.58 | KlaasVaag | lemme revert to stable :) |
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| 23:06.58 | gravity | ugh |
| 23:07.00 | a-atwood | snadge: what is your TZ flag set to? |
| 23:07.04 | directhex | lord all fucking mighty |
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| 23:07.09 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 23:07.13 | lobster | I am trying to install debian woody, on a laptop. I have a 3c589d card, that goes into the pcmcia slot. I can't get the laptop to see the card :( later in the install, I am prompted if I want to remove the pcmcia module, because it is not being used. How do I gt the OS to see the pcimcia card? |
| 23:07.16 | snadge | a-atwood, its set back to australia/brisbane |
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| 23:07.21 | willis | and that is working |
| 23:07.23 | directhex | willis, experimental? you're kidding, right? |
| 23:07.37 | willis | Err http://ftp2.debian.org testing/non-US/contrib Release |
| 23:07.37 | willis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.46 | willis | or |
| 23:07.51 | willis | Hit ftp://ftp.gwdg.de unstable/non-free Release |
| 23:07.51 | willis | Err http://ftp2.debian.org unstable/contrib Packages |
| 23:07.51 | willis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.54 | directhex | willis, just _PLEASE_ fuck off |
| 23:08.02 | jazzmans | !abuse willis |
| 23:08.06 | danny- | I have a geforce 2, how can i find out my video cards "bus identifier"? |
| 23:08.07 | simonrvn | willis: that has nothing to do with your sources.list, but a non-functional dns. and stop pasting |
| 23:08.08 | doub | KlaasVaag: on a more simple path, what does "apt-get --reinstall install coreutils" do? |
| 23:08.09 | willis | Failed to fetch http://ftp2.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.gz Could not resolve 'ftp2.debian.org' |
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| 23:08.16 | directhex | danny-, you don't need it on x86 |
| 23:08.21 | willis | so how the heck to get superkaramba |
| 23:08.24 | danny- | so just skip it? |
| 23:08.28 | gravity | willis: READ /TOPIC. DON'T PASTE |
| 23:08.28 | willis | apt-get does not find it |
| 23:08.29 | a-atwood | danny-: boot knoppix and write it down. |
| 23:08.35 | valdyn | danny-: lspci, but you dont need it unless you use 2 video cards |
| 23:08.45 | jazzmans | gravity: you expect him to read something? HA!. |
| 23:08.47 | sussudio | ffs willis you are running knoppix |
| 23:08.49 | directhex | !ops willis wins awards as the biggest smacktard ever. knoppix troll, will not take any advice at all, will not leave, just spams to infinity |
| 23:08.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: willis wins awards as the biggest smacktard ever. knoppix troll, will not take any advice at all, will not leave, just spams to infinity |
| 23:09.01 | simonrvn | willis: no wonder, you're only tracking experimental.... |
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| 23:09.06 | gravity | jazzmans: He obviously read something to foolishly put experimental in to his sources list |
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| 23:09.12 | ApEtc | exit |
| 23:09.13 | KlaasVaag | doub, i am back at stable now.. where coreutils is not present.. |
| 23:09.14 | directhex | simonrvn, but it si teh new! lolololo! |
| 23:09.23 | KlaasVaag | maybe i'll just stick with that.. |
| 23:09.26 | simonrvn | directhex: forgot an l |
| 23:09.35 | willis | well in be more than happy to pop online and download a debian distro that will install open-mosix at time of install ... guide me to it |
| 23:09.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 23:09.38 | KlaasVaag | the strace thing gave me a lot of info.. |
| 23:09.46 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Question: Recompiling the kernel, decided to go the debian way, with make-kpkg. When i try to make-kpkg it, it ends complaining about asm/socket.h not found. Sure enough, the symlink to include/asm-i386 isn't there. I upgraded kernel-package, but still the same thing. Seems like it deletes it at the beginning. Ideas? |
| 23:09.49 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:09.49 | jazzmans | gravity, he's using knoppix. |
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| 23:09.54 | gravity | omfg |
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| 23:10.03 | ElectricElf | willis: Please contact the creators of the distribution you're using |
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| 23:10.19 | willis | i'll grab debian if it has that support |
| 23:10.20 | ElectricElf | willis: Especially for installation issues, trying to support derivatives is pretty much impossible |
| 23:10.30 | willis | pure complete at install ... |
| 23:10.38 | gravity | willis: It's not our problem. |
| 23:10.38 | ElectricElf | willis: Not to install OpenMosix out of the box. You'll have to install the 'openmosix' package. What's so hard about that? |
| 23:10.52 | KlaasVaag | doub, http://pastebin.com/233027 |
| 23:10.57 | dli | Wille88, I configured FAI+openMosix myself :( |
| 23:10.59 | KlaasVaag | forget about the php tags.. |
| 23:11.04 | ElectricElf | willis: (And use a kernel with kernel-patch-openmosix applied) |
| 23:11.11 | directhex | ElectricElf, he's on knoppix, with a sources.list tracking only experimental, and is refusing to change it |
| 23:11.12 | jazzmans | ElectricElf, willis has been here for hours, and want's someone to do it for him. Please don't refer him back to knoppix |
| 23:11.27 | ElectricElf | Yeah, I'm just giving him a chance is all |
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| 23:11.45 | directhex | ElectricElf, he's already been told by several people what he needs to do, and refuses. |
| 23:11.51 | ElectricElf | directhex: And now it's my turn :) |
| 23:11.56 | gravity | He should go pay someone to do what he wants then |
| 23:12.11 | doub | KlaasVaag: did you run strace as root ? |
| 23:12.13 | pw | willis is doomed. |
| 23:12.15 | pw | that is all. |
| 23:12.16 | KlaasVaag | yes |
| 23:12.18 | directhex | ElectricElf, feel free. if you can make him purge experimental from his sources.list and add a single useful entry, you'll have done better than the rest of us |
| 23:12.18 | snadge | hmm.. i found the problem.. neither ntpdate, or date will update the clock for some reason |
| 23:12.27 | ElectricElf | directhex: :) |
| 23:12.27 | dli | ElectricElf, for some reason, openMosix stopped debian/rules scripts |
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| 23:12.40 | ElectricElf | Well, no response |
| 23:12.41 | willis | so because debian as a source install does not provide open-mosix .. i had to use a derivity of the source ... that provided the install support i needed |
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| 23:13.00 | snadge | it thinks its updated the clock.. but then when you run date again, it shows the old date completely unchanged.. and yes im running date as root |
| 23:13.02 | simonrvn | source install? wtf |
| 23:13.09 | ElectricElf | willis: When you're ready to consider solutions to your problem, feel free to /msg me |
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| 23:13.23 | gravity | omfg |
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| 23:13.31 | gravity | ElectricElf: Thank you (long time no see, good to see you) |
| 23:13.40 | ElectricElf | gravity: Heh :) |
| 23:13.42 | jazzmans | you have way more patience then I ElectricElf. Greenfly was even helping him earlier. |
| 23:13.49 | ElectricElf | Bah, I just dropped in |
| 23:13.52 | ElectricElf | I haven't been dealing with him for hours |
| 23:13.56 | Samfu | I have 2 ethernet interfaces set up and I need to keep one from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf. Any ideas? |
| 23:13.58 | KlaasVaag | doub, guess the same problem is visible here?.. i see a few "permission denied" |
| 23:14.01 | ElectricElf | (Not that the fact that other people has means he doesn't get one last chance) |
| 23:14.05 | Jimmymaniac | so, any ideas on the make-kpkg thing i mentioned? or should i report a bug? |
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| 23:14.08 | doub | KlaasVaag: is the file on a networked file system? |
| 23:14.15 | simonrvn | thank you for silencing him. he needs more clue than what we can give him |
| 23:14.17 | KlaasVaag | no.. on a local harddrive.. |
| 23:14.29 | valdyn | somehow that fs is broken |
| 23:14.30 | gravity | I'm amazed at how much people are willing to demand |
| 23:14.31 | greenfly | ElectricElf: I was helping in #knoppix not in here |
| 23:14.37 | ElectricElf | greenfly: Heh |
| 23:14.38 | KlaasVaag | mounted rw.. with about 99% diskspace left |
| 23:15.03 | greenfly | ElectricElf: tried for an hour or so, pointed to some good succinct docs, posted the same directions 3x when he closed IRC w/o writing down the steps and then reentered asking for them |
| 23:15.12 | ElectricElf | greenfly: Not surprising |
| 23:15.15 | ElectricElf | greenfly: He was probably just a troll |
| 23:15.19 | doub | KlaasVaag: the exact failing function is lstat, with EACCESS, which according to manpage means "Search permission is denied for one of the directories in the path prefix of file_name" |
| 23:15.31 | ElectricElf | It doesn't help to get one's panties in a knot though. If they're a troll, that's what they want, and if they aren't, it's certainly the wrong thing |
| 23:15.32 | paulswm | ElectricElf: it has been indeed entertaining watching various folks deal with him |
| 23:15.33 | chealer | how do you make dpkg forget about only one value (of the 2 of the "dvd" factoid) |
| 23:15.35 | doub | KlaasVaag: which should not happen as root. maybe your file system is corrupt |
| 23:15.37 | greenfly | ElectricElf: it came down to his not being willing to copy and paste a sample sources.list file from a page into /etc/apt/sources.list. he wanted someone to do it for him and then post it to the web so he could download the full file |
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| 23:15.56 | ElectricElf | greenfly: Whichever |
| 23:15.59 | ElectricElf | greenfly: It's done with :) |
| 23:16.28 | ElectricElf | greenfly: (And I'm not going to bother reading the logs at this point :) |
| 23:16.28 | gravity | I thought openmosix was fairly advanced stuff. |
| 23:16.28 | greenfly | ElectricElf: heh :) it's not worth reading |
| 23:16.28 | gravity | So much for that impression |
| 23:16.28 | KlaasVaag | doub, fsck should be able to deal with that i suppose? |
| 23:16.28 | peterS | gravity: eh? it's not? |
| 23:16.33 | doub | KlaasVaag: if that's the problem, yes |
| 23:16.35 | directhex | ElectricElf, i take people being stupid at me as a personal insult. character flaw. part of why i enjoy the +o i wield elsewhere |
| 23:16.42 | Xyrouz | #j #linux-xbox |
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| 23:16.46 | gravity | peterS: Well, willis wanted open-mosix but appeared beyond clueless |
| 23:16.57 | paulswm | gravity: a flushing toilet is fairly advanced stuff to some |
| 23:17.01 | peterS | gravity: heh. that doesn't mean it isn't fairly advanced stuff (: |
| 23:17.04 | ElectricElf | directhex: :) |
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| 23:17.14 | KlaasVaag | doub: i might have found the problem.. its a reiserfs partition.. and i do not yet have reiserfsprogs installed.. |
| 23:17.17 | gravity | paulswm: Ha! |
| 23:17.28 | spdf | mmmm...delicious ribs....I'm [[stuffed]] |
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| 23:17.52 | spdf | Good 'ol Reiser |
| 23:18.01 | directhex | gravity, peterS he wanted it in order to do distributed compiles, on pentium 1's. and would /ignore all lines with 'distcc' on |
| 23:18.04 | spdf | ...Good 'ol reliable Reiser... |
| 23:18.08 | doub | KlaasVaag: maybe that's part of the problem |
| 23:18.10 | directhex | reiser has eaten less data than ext3 in my experience |
| 23:18.22 | KlaasVaag | doub, guess not.. after installation still the same problem.. |
| 23:18.32 | KlaasVaag | although a reboot might be necessary |
| 23:18.37 | spdf | I suppose I'm lucky enough to have never lost data on ext3 |
| 23:18.38 | arafel | openmosix to do distributed compiles seems kind of overkill... |
| 23:18.46 | uruboro | directhex, clearly a troll |
| 23:18.47 | spdf | (From what I can tell) |
| 23:18.51 | peterS | arafel: given the existence of distcc, very much so |
| 23:18.51 | paulswm | I'm tempted to make up some dumbass questions and see if I can get directhex really p-oed |
| 23:18.54 | doub | KlaasVaag: they would not be used right away, but for fsck, for example |
| 23:19.02 | gravity | directhex: /me boggles |
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| 23:19.14 | gravity | Ok, must be a troll then |
| 23:19.17 | doub | KlaasVaag: if it's your root file system, reboot, else unmount it and fsck it |
| 23:19.31 | krenin | does fsck do a defrag? |
| 23:19.43 | spdf | krenin, defrag does a defrag |
| 23:19.48 | krenin | ah, makes sense :) |
| 23:19.50 | paulswm | !win arafel |
| 23:19.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, arafel! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 23:20.01 | arafel | er.. thanks. |
| 23:20.10 | directhex | openmosix to do anything deserves poinbting & laughing |
| 23:20.15 | peterS | arafel: are you named after a fictional country? |
| 23:20.36 | *** part/#debian willis (~Willis@ip68-103-13-66.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 23:20.36 | arafel | not that I'm aware of |
| 23:20.36 | jazzmans | !fsck |
| 23:20.37 | dpkg | fsck is probably a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 23:20.37 | KlaasVaag | doub, i rebooted.. still the same when doing the strace |
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| 23:21.13 | doub | KlaasVaag: did some sort of fsck run on boot? (i don't know reiserfs, maybe you'll have to do this manually) |
| 23:21.19 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: boot to single user mount, then mount -o remount,ro <rootfsdevice>, then fsck it |
| 23:21.22 | scirkuit | the java sdk wants to install in /opt, what is /opt and should i let it? |
| 23:21.34 | paulswm | directhex: I install the knoppix and get a debs, now I have the debian but he don't boot, please help |
| 23:21.40 | caphuso | scirkuit: www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 23:21.43 | paulswm | heh |
| 23:21.52 | scirkuit | ah |
| 23:21.56 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: ops s/user mount/user mode/ |
| 23:21.57 | arafel | scirkuit: you might want to investigate make-jpkg |
| 23:22.05 | jazzmans | paulswm is a pale imitation of that troll. :P |
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| 23:22.16 | KlaasVaag | valdyn, single user mode would not allow me to access the box.. :S |
| 23:22.32 | hacim | does anyone know how apache determines the FQDN? I get the error on apache start that says it cannot figure it out so it uses 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:22.47 | directhex | !badgerknoppix |
| 23:22.47 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 23:22.48 | spdf | paulswm, does knoppix have a live-hd install? |
| 23:22.56 | paulswm | jazzmans: I take that as a compliment :) |
| 23:23.08 | scirkuit | ok |
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| 23:23.20 | paulswm | spdf: I've only used it for hardware detetion, but I believe there are HD install instructions |
| 23:23.48 | spdf | paulswm, Oh..My failed attempt at being witty...yours was way better.. |
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| 23:24.01 | KlaasVaag | i will get my monitor out of the storage again :) and use knoppix to check the disk.. |
| 23:24.04 | valdyn | KlaasVaag: you can do the remounting in multiuser mode too. |
| 23:24.40 | doub | KlaasVaag: an advice for the future, configure your box for serial line console |
| 23:24.48 | paulswm | spdf: crap, sorry, I thought you were setting me up for a pounding for picking on all three of: directhex, knoppix and non-native-english speakers :) |
| 23:25.24 | KlaasVaag | doub, ill check that out some time.. |
| 23:27.38 | krenin | i heard that there's an awesome web site at 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:27.41 | tarzeau | if that isn't literally? http://shoebox.ath.cx/ |
| 23:28.03 | arafel | careful, they'll try and hack you. |
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| 23:28.15 | krenin | me? |
| 23:28.34 | spdf | krenin, Woo..There is...It's like..Mine.. ;) |
| 23:28.38 | krenin | hehe |
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| 23:28.52 | spdf | good ole dickintheface.com |
| 23:28.55 | paulswm | goody goody, only 0.0625 days till deep dish three meat pizza |
| 23:28.58 | krenin | hrm |
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| 23:29.06 | Rawplayer | paulswm :( |
| 23:29.08 | spdf | krenin, but seriously..it is..lol |
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| 23:29.24 | krenin | spdf: with a site name like that i would never visit |
| 23:29.35 | paulswm | heh |
| 23:29.35 | spdf | krenin, That was sort of the plan (slashdot posting, and such) |
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| 23:29.57 | krenin | takes all kinds or something |
| 23:30.24 | spdf | krenin, I thought about hotsweatyvirigins.com too... |
| 23:30.31 | krenin | hrm |
| 23:30.46 | cire | I have a Sony Z600LEK laptop with ATI MACH64. I want to use direct rendering. What are my first steps? I read some information on the GATOS and DRI webpage. But I am a little confused. Do I need to install a special (modified?) xfree86? |
| 23:30.52 | spdf | krenin, Suppose I have a thing for domain names that have nothing to do with the content.. |
| 23:31.02 | paulswm | spdf: sheepinstockings.com is available |
| 23:31.02 | krenin | spdf: stupiddomainname.com |
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| 23:31.27 | spdf | paulswm, heh, good idea.. |
| 23:31.41 | krenin | hrm |
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| 23:31.54 | paulswm | spdf: the Aussies, Scots and New Zealanders will be jealous though |
| 23:31.59 | FuTuBa | hi, |
| 23:32.00 | krenin | gaymarsupials.com |
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| 23:32.22 | FuTuBa | a need a help for install a my agp card !!! |
| 23:32.25 | Jerub | hi, what's the best CD to download if I just want a small installation CD with the most recent kernel/drivers for a debian install? |
| 23:32.51 | spdf | Jerub, Sarge netinstall... |
| 23:32.59 | paulswm | fruitybadgers.com |
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| 23:33.31 | FuTuBa | a need a help !!! |
| 23:33.33 | FuTuBa | please |
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| 23:33.40 | FuTuBa | i not a install my agp card |
| 23:33.41 | paulswm | roh-roh |
| 23:33.48 | ledet | FuTuBa: i need a blowjob... plz to be helpink! |
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| 23:33.56 | spdf | roh yah boat...gently down the stream.. |
| 23:33.58 | FuTuBa | ledet: fuck |
| 23:34.02 | krenin | is this #gaydebian, i must be in the wrong channel |
| 23:34.06 | ledet | FuTuBa: now? ok |
| 23:34.10 | KlaasVaag | doub, fsck.reiserfs did find some errors, which i fixed using --rebuild-tree.. lets see if it works now |
| 23:34.13 | FuTuBa | shut up |
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| 23:34.24 | slackd00d | heh |
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| 23:34.46 | Hutsebaut | lol |
| 23:34.47 | ledet | paulswm: you think? :) |
| 23:35.10 | spdf | FuTuBa, When you say "i not a install my agp card", could you mean that you haven't loaded the modules (etc..) for your video card? |
| 23:35.48 | ledet | spdf: it means that he hasnt even searched google and that he has no idea where to start |
| 23:35.54 | azreal | FuTuBa: perhaps English would be more of a priority for you than agp cards? |
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| 23:36.08 | spdf | ledet, Bingo! |
| 23:36.21 | ledet | azreal: teh inghilska is a very hardon! |
| 23:36.21 | spdf | Awwww.. |
| 23:36.23 | krenin | you ran him off |
| 23:36.25 | KlaasVaag | azreal, you cannot blame him for not speaking english correctly.. at least he tries :) |
| 23:36.28 | paulswm | azreal: his english is fine, he knows 'fuck' |
| 23:36.45 | KlaasVaag | without using it he'll never learn.. |
| 23:36.55 | azreal | paulswm: oh, i missed that, guess he is in the clear then. |
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| 23:37.16 | spdf | Seems like everyones in a decent mood tonight |
| 23:37.17 | Xemacs | << thought "fuck" was american |
| 23:37.23 | Jerub | spdf: okay, I've been googling, and I see quite a few mentions of the sarge netinstall images, but they're not linked from http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and I have only found forum mentions of the cds. |
| 23:37.25 | paulswm | azreal: heh, but he didn't know to put "off" after it in the context of his message |
| 23:37.35 | spdf | Jerub, So like..Er...Maybe uh... |
| 23:37.38 | ledet | paulswm: well, i guess we should have told him how to ask questions in the future... would have helped him a lot... |
| 23:37.43 | azreal | lol |
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| 23:38.12 | spdf | Jerub, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:38.15 | paulswm | ledet: I guess everyone was a bit hard on him |
| 23:38.16 | ledet | !tell jermy about d-i |
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| 23:38.37 | ledet | paulswm: oh well :) |
| 23:38.52 | ledet | paulswm: you said "hard on"... :) |
| 23:39.00 | kared | Apply to NM? ha! - off |
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| 23:39.03 | paulswm | ledet: another victim will no doubt be along shortly |
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| 23:39.06 | spdf | "Hahaha...Big meat" |
| 23:39.14 | malfoeForcast | <willis> someone remote desttop and xfer the file ... |
| 23:39.14 | malfoeForcast | <willis> ill give root access |
| 23:39.19 | malfoeForcast | is that a joke? |
| 23:39.26 | spdf | malfoeForcast, Seriously... |
| 23:39.26 | ledet | malfoeForcast: no |
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| 23:39.35 | jazzmans | no, malfoeforcast, that's a troll. a dumb troll. |
| 23:39.35 | paulswm | malfoeForcast: no, and don't get us started |
| 23:39.35 | dondelelcaro | malfoeForcast: did that guy /msg you? |
| 23:39.43 | jazzmans | !abuse willis again |
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| 23:39.53 | malfoeForcast | o was just checking #knoppix and here |
| 23:39.55 | dondelelcaro | oh, he's onlly in #knoppix now... |
| 23:40.22 | paulswm | malfoeForcast: he is a twit, beyond help or redemption, I'm afraid |
| 23:40.27 | Jerub | holy crap. booting from a usb stick. |
| 23:40.28 | ledet | jermy: when? where? how? |
| 23:40.31 | jazzmans | yeah, an uber-twit. |
| 23:40.53 | jermy | "!tell jermy about d-i" ;) |
| 23:40.54 | malfoeForcast | If it wasn't I was going to have a talk to him, but oh well. With any luck he'll learn sometime |
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| 23:40.57 | benoitc | hi all |
| 23:40.59 | ledet | jermy: oh... sorry :) |
| 23:41.01 | paulswm | as my KY spuse would say, "dumber'n owlshit" |
| 23:41.07 | paulswm | s/spu/spou/ |
| 23:41.18 | benoitc | anyone lnow a mirror for dotdeb.org ? the main site is currently down so... |
| 23:41.27 | jermy | I was trying to work out why dpkg was informing me about d-i... :) |
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| 23:41.37 | spdf | benoitc, If there is one..I bet you a doller Google knows... |
| 23:41.45 | ledet | jermy: well, i have a cold so its my bad :) |
| 23:41.58 | KlaasVaag | doub, valdyn, and others, thanx for helping.. it works correctly right now.. not sure for how long though.. i guess my disk is ageing.. |
| 23:42.04 | spdf | ledet, Must have mistaked him for Germy...the one that's made you sick... |
| 23:42.13 | benoitc | spdf, google don't index all site if they are not well known :\ |
| 23:42.16 | jermy | ledet: I'll let you off. It was at least 3 characters accurate :) |
| 23:42.28 | ledet | :) |
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| 23:42.33 | BockBilbo | hello |
| 23:42.49 | spdf | benoitc, http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=dotdeb+mirror&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 23:42.52 | doub | KlaasVaag: do you see errors like "{ Diskready Seekcomplete ... } in your syslog or dmesg? |
| 23:43.00 | spdf | benoitc, The first one? Possibly a mirror? |
| 23:43.00 | ledet | jermy: 3 characters usually do the trick... i'm too lazy to hit tab more than once :) |
| 23:43.01 | BockBilbo | im trying to discover where do the debian Open Office icons come from |
| 23:43.04 | BockBilbo | do anyone know? |
| 23:43.26 | doub | KlaasVaag: that might not be exactly like i wrote, but similar |
| 23:43.26 | BockBilbo | i have installed the OOo 2 beta version, and i would like to use its icons instead of debian's |
| 23:43.26 | spdf | BockBilbo, A magical place called Hobbiton... |
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| 23:43.33 | BockBilbo | what??? |
| 23:43.34 | benoitc | spdf, thcx I know how to use google.... |
| 23:43.49 | benoitc | I'm not here whe I can stfw |
| 23:44.02 | spdf | benoitc, I was being helpful... |
| 23:44.05 | BockBilbo | whats that spdf? |
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| 23:44.34 | benoitc | ok, misunderstood so... |
| 23:44.41 | KlaasVaag | doub, nope.. |
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| 23:44.45 | Araldit | What is the differens between xfs-xtt and xfstt... They both gives me the ability to use TTF right???? |
| 23:44.56 | KlaasVaag | doub, what would that indicate? |
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| 23:45.00 | doub | KlaasVaag: so your disk has no H/W errors |
| 23:45.09 | KlaasVaag | ok.. |
| 23:45.28 | doub | KlaasVaag: maybe a power loss or something like that |
| 23:45.31 | spdf | benoitc, The first one one there doesn't actually have any packages.. |
| 23:45.35 | KlaasVaag | then i wonder why the filesystem is messed up just after installation.. |
| 23:46.06 | KlaasVaag | doub, well.. at least it works right now.. |
| 23:46.21 | dli | does lyx support XIM ? |
| 23:46.24 | KlaasVaag | so time to go to bed :) |
| 23:46.32 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, was an obvious one, had "buildpackage" on the commandline, it calls "clean" which deleted the include/asm symlink. Took that off and it's happily compiling |
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| 23:46.39 | doub | KlaasVaag: if it keeps on causing trouble, there might be a HW problem |
| 23:46.56 | Jerub | spdf: thankyou for that. |
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| 23:47.03 | doub | KlaasVaag: or your disk controller driver is misbehaving |
| 23:47.14 | spdf | Jerub, Not a problem... |
| 23:47.36 | Araldit | What is the differens between xfs-xtt and xfstt... They both gives me the ability to use TTF right???? Someone knows this.. Or know a good place to read about fonts in debian. |
| 23:47.39 | doub | KlaasVaag: i've heard of troubles with DMA on some disk controllers, maybe search in that direction |
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| 23:47.52 | gilles | when i run alsa-conf, it tries to configure oss, but it's alsa that i want, not oss, what can i do ? |
| 23:48.05 | gilles | it doesn't give me choice |
| 23:48.12 | arafel | Araldit: check the package descriptions and versions. maybe one replaced the other. |
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| 23:49.27 | Jimmymaniac | !tell Araldit about xfstt |
| 23:49.27 | cthulfuego | arafel: One does something the author wanted it to do. the other does something someone else wanted it to do. |
| 23:49.34 | Jimmymaniac | !tell Araldit about xfs-xtt |
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| 23:50.04 | arafel | cthulfuego: you learn something every day. several things, in my case. |
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| 23:50.33 | blackish | can anyone help with truetype fonts? I have xfstt intsalled & running, and xlsfonts returns all the ttf fonts (or at least it look that way), but gimp doesnt recognise any of them |
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| 23:50.43 | cthulfuego | arafel: Today's lesson: cthulfuego's tab completion sucks. |
| 23:51.16 | blackish | can anyone help with truetype fonts? I have xfstt intsalled & running, and xlsfonts returns all the ttf fonts (or at least it look that way), but gimp doesnt recognise any of them |
| 23:51.16 | Araldit | Jimmymaniac: Nice.. Thx.. I've had trouble with crash from the day I installed xfs-xtt, so now im off to xfstt.. Very nice.. Thx. |
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| 23:51.37 | cthulfuego | !tell blackish -about repeat |
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| 23:51.47 | jsn | I have a weird situation where command line ftp (from debian or windows!) won't ls, but ftp clients work. |
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| 23:52.09 | blackish | sorry, I thought the msg was not shown coz I hadnt identified |
| 23:52.16 | arafel | jsn: tried setting the command-line ones to passive ftp? |
| 23:52.24 | pipeline | jsn: Set passive. |
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| 23:52.26 | arafel | could be the GUI clients are doing it automatically. |
| 23:52.39 | pipeline | jsn: most command line clients accept "passive" as a command; failing that, the raw ftp command is "PASV" |
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| 23:53.30 | SirPsycho | anyone know how to set the printer location in samba from the command line? I believe it is a rpcclient command but cant seem to get it to behave |
| 23:53.33 | reaux | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 23:53.33 | jsn | Thanks for the explanation, pipeline, and help, too, arafel. |
| 23:53.40 | reaux | how do I get around that? |
| 23:53.50 | blackish | SirPsycho, smbclient -L ? |
| 23:53.55 | cthulfuego | blackish: I've had the same problem, didn't solve it. Just stopped using a font server. |
| 23:53.56 | pipeline | reaux: Sounds like debconf is running already |
| 23:54.13 | reaux | but i'm not running it |
| 23:54.24 | KlaasVaag | doub.. the DMA thing, would it be solved by installing a newer kernel (i.e. latest 2.4) |
| 23:54.25 | reaux | anything it ps aux | grep i should look for |
| 23:54.46 | FieldySnuts | lsof | grep config.dat |
| 23:54.51 | KlaasVaag | or is it a plain BIOS thing? |
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| 23:55.06 | doub | KlaasVaag: if there's a fix for your disk controller, yes |
| 23:55.27 | doub | KlaasVaag: this said, i'm just speculating, maybe it's not the problem |
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| 23:55.44 | madzzoni | Help wanted! After installaling Kernel 2.6.8-2-386 in Sarge, my network only work proberly, if i boot in recorvery mode or make a complet reboot. If i use my kernel 2.6.7 the network works OK. I'm conneted via Router/adsl. |
| 23:55.48 | reaux | kill -a <pid> right? |
| 23:56.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate madzzoni |
| 23:56.05 | ravenbird | !irritate madzzoni |
| 23:56.06 | SirPsycho | blackish: belive that is to have the samba be a client of another smb server.. i am tryin to make a change on the server.. |
| 23:56.06 | dpkg | madzzoni: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
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| 23:56.13 | Oswald | I'm going to install sarge on my laptop and I'm looking for a pcmcia card that will work "out of the box" ... I'm looking at the Orinoco line, will this work? |
| 23:56.45 | blackish | Sinistrad, sorry, misread |
| 23:56.56 | pipeline | Oswald: Yeah, an 802.11b orinoco off of ebay works right out of the box. Just be sure to install wireless-tools. |
| 23:57.09 | doub | FieldySnuts: you seem like a little bored |
| 23:57.14 | KlaasVaag | doub, im aware of that :) but a newer kernel does not hurt :P |
| 23:57.26 | reaux | hrm i try to kill the process using kill <pid> doesnt work even as root |
| 23:57.37 | Oswald | pipeline: cool thanks! |
| 23:58.00 | tictac | im having troubles getting a box to forward packets. here is what ive done. |
| 23:58.11 | madzzoni | ???????????? |
| 23:58.13 | tictac | changed /proc/sys/net/ip4v/ip_forward to 1 |
| 23:58.13 | arafel | reaux: even kill -9 ? |
| 23:58.19 | Oswald | pipeline: are the wireless-tools part of the installer or do i need to apt-get install after installation? |
| 23:58.21 | tictac | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.121 |
| 23:58.35 | tictac | (test net 192.168.12.0/24) -> (local net 192.168.1.0/24) -> (inet 24.241.3.49) is what im trying to do |
| 23:58.44 | pipeline | Oswald: This FreeBSD man page http://tinyurl.com/58wzq has a partial listing of wireless cards that use either prism2 or hermes; these cards will work without any hassle. |
| 23:58.56 | tictac | any idea what i might need to do to get this working? |
| 23:59.11 | pipeline | Oswald: wireless-tools is a package, just like everything else in Debian. Even the installer components are .deb packages. |
| 23:59.16 | FieldySnuts | tictac: unless you'd like to learn the gory details of routing and forwarding etc, i'd consider a firewall script that can forward such as gshield or ipkungfu instead |
| 23:59.21 | arafel | just make sure you use an up-to-date kernel (or more importantly up-to-date orinoco drivers). |
| 23:59.27 | pipeline | tictac: netfilter howto is your friend |
| 23:59.27 | arafel | it can get a bit nasty otherwise. |
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| 23:59.40 | Oswald | pipeline: great thanks for the help |
| 23:59.45 | FieldySnuts | with most things i'd say read and learn, but that shit is just annoying |
| 23:59.52 | tictac | FieldySnuts: that should be enough to establish packet forwarding. |
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