| 00:00.38 | FieldySnuts | could be, i gave up on the gory details long ago |
| 00:00.40 | pipeline | Oswald: Beware cards from d-link, linksys, netgear et al; they'll change chipsets without changing the model name. |
| 00:00.56 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: not to mention they're shitty |
| 00:01.14 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Some are, some aren't. Most prism2 cards are shitty regardless :P |
| 00:01.30 | SirPsycho | anyone know how to set the printer location in samba from the command line? I believe it is a rpcclient command but cant seem to get it to behave |
| 00:01.34 | SlayerXP | prism2 is far from the worst wireless chipset |
| 00:01.52 | FieldySnuts | stay away from atheros based ones (many netgear), driver is binary firmware and has to be uploaded every time, very poor sensitivity, just shitty |
| 00:01.56 | SlayerXP | bcm4306 springs to mind |
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| 00:02.28 | ryan_ | anyone here use the dotdeb repositories? |
| 00:02.30 | jetx | greetings earthlings |
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| 00:04.04 | Oswald | I currently have a Netgear WG511 and I can get it to work with alot of work but I just don't have the time. |
| 00:04.19 | SlayerXP | yat, I hath googlewhacked |
| 00:04.23 | SlayerXP | err yay, even |
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| 00:05.29 | samuel | how do i do a chown on all files? including hidden files? |
| 00:05.45 | SlayerXP | samuel: you type 'man chown' and read. |
| 00:06.00 | samuel | SlayerXP, aaaah!!! too much work!!! |
| 00:06.01 | caphuso | SlayerXP: no, man doesn't change permissions, you must be wrong |
| 00:06.12 | tarzeau | samuel: hidden files? you mean .dotfiles? |
| 00:06.23 | samuel | tarzeau, yes |
| 00:06.41 | tarzeau | samuel: what aobut * and .* as files? |
| 00:07.16 | samuel | tarzeau, thanks! that was easy... |
| 00:07.25 | tarzeau | samuel: files as in not directory files? |
| 00:07.40 | tarzeau | samuel: sometimes find is really useful too with its -file t|f parameter |
| 00:07.52 | samuel | tarzeau, no, just all files |
| 00:08.04 | tarzeau | s/t/d/5 |
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| 00:08.20 | samuel | tarzeau, i had done -Rv user:user * but didnt do anything for dot files |
| 00:08.37 | tarzeau | you have a user called user? |
| 00:08.48 | SlayerXP | you have a group called user? |
| 00:08.50 | samuel | tarzeau, no... just example |
| 00:08.51 | SlayerXP | heh |
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| 00:09.14 | samuel | but i think im gonna use user user from now on... |
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| 00:09.18 | samuel | i kindo like it |
| 00:09.36 | tarzeau | samuel: that's boring. |
| 00:09.48 | tarzeau | i call them dinosaur, elephant and monster |
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| 00:10.23 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: let me guess, you use Linux on System/390? |
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| 00:11.09 | tarzeau | MobyTurbo: the largest computer i have is an alpha 1000a 5/400. |
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| 00:11.21 | cthulfuego | samuel: How about 'cd directory; chown user:group . -R' |
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| 00:11.46 | MobyTurbo | tarzeau: alphas, now they *are* sweet. |
| 00:11.55 | SlayerXP | i'm stuck with this ancient relic, a dual opteron 242 |
| 00:12.07 | samuel | thanks all |
| 00:12.09 | samuel | l8rs |
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| 00:18.59 | dut | Hi. I have a some problem. I have 2 hdd's: 20gb and 160gb. On 20gb -- system(/,/usr,/var,/boot) on 160 -- /home. Now, i want make 20 gb free(i want give this hdd to brother). May i move system to 160gb hdd? |
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| 00:19.22 | Xemacs_ | !test |
| 00:19.22 | dpkg | No, xemacs_, you're not online any more. |
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| 00:19.45 | cthulfuego | dut: Yes, you can. But *carefully* |
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| 00:20.41 | dut | cthulfuego: what i must to do? load in single mode, copy system to /home, then chroot /home, etc...? |
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| 00:21.20 | paulswm | dut: which hard drive is which (20G /dev/hda or /dev/hdb?) |
| 00:21.28 | cthulfuego | dut: pretty much, yes. Fix up fstab, reinstall bootloader etc. |
| 00:22.04 | plagerism | i get this error message with vcdxbuild **ERROR charset conversion failed |
| 00:22.12 | dut | paulswm: 20gb -- hda, 160gb -- hdc |
| 00:22.16 | plagerism | Anyone have any idea what that means, or how I could go about fixing it?? |
| 00:22.17 | dut | cthulfuego: ok, thanks |
| 00:22.20 | danny- | is kde better than gnome? |
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| 00:22.40 | hardwire | is your left foor better than your right? |
| 00:22.45 | hardwire | is your left foot better than your right? |
| 00:22.46 | paulswm | dut: and after you remove the 20G drive, I assume you are going to move the 160GB drive to /dev/hda, am I right? |
| 00:22.46 | hardwire | :) |
| 00:23.16 | dut | paulswm: yeah |
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| 00:23.45 | cthulfuego | dut: Make sure you have a bootable rescue cd before you start. |
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| 00:23.57 | paulswm | dut: do you have only one partition on /dev/hdb and is it using all the disk space |
| 00:24.36 | dut | cthulfuego: Debian Woody (i use woody) 1st cd is good for this? |
| 00:24.49 | cthulfuego | dut: yep |
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| 00:25.23 | dut | paulswm: yes, on hdc only one partition on all drive: /home |
| 00:25.43 | danny- | can a windows pc access a debian pc through the network? |
| 00:25.47 | paulswm | dut: hdc or do you mean hdb |
| 00:25.48 | SATANlayerXP | cthulfuego: heya :) |
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| 00:26.07 | paulswm | dut: sorry, you have hda and hdc |
| 00:26.08 | dut | paulswm: 20gb -- hda, 160gb -- hdc |
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| 00:26.24 | paulswm | dub: sorry, you'd already said, my fault |
| 00:26.42 | dut | paulswm: so, i think, i need repartition hdc :-((( |
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| 00:26.46 | chealer | danny-: sure |
| 00:26.52 | paulswm | dut: how much of /home is actually in use? |
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| 00:26.58 | novice | hey everybody |
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| 00:27.13 | dut | paulswm: /dev/hdc1 147G 27G 112G 20% /home |
| 00:27.17 | danny- | ~[ chealer ]~ can the linux pc be seen through windows my network places, and if so how? |
| 00:27.25 | dut | paulswm: 27gb in use |
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| 00:27.40 | chealer | danny-: which IRC client makes such a nick completion? |
| 00:27.41 | paulswm | dut: ok, that's too much to save on hda then |
| 00:27.43 | SlayerXP | danny-: please find a less annoying way of indicating who you're talking to |
| 00:28.08 | dut | paulswm: yeah, i will try... amen :-) |
| 00:28.20 | dut | Thanks guys! |
| 00:28.26 | chealer | danny-: setting a samba server on the linux pc |
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| 00:28.55 | plagerism | How would I convert a files chartset to UTF-8? |
| 00:28.59 | novice | i just installed debian on a box and i'm trying to configure the mouse on X: it's a logitech, 2 buttons w/ serial connection. but the pointer simple desappear on my screen when i move it. which protocol should i use on /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?? |
| 00:29.05 | bob2 | plagerism: iconv |
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| 00:29.09 | paulswm | dut: this is what you need to do, I'll give you numbered steps. I am going to avoid telling you to resize a partition, because it's easy to mess it up. If you don't have the free space to do what I outline, then ask someone else about resizing partitons. |
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| 00:30.14 | dut | paulswm: oh. i forgot about resizing... argh |
| 00:30.23 | paulswm | dut: on /dev/hda, do you have your system on just one partiton, or are, for instance, /usr and others on separate partitions |
| 00:30.34 | plagerism | bob2 how would I find out the encoding of a specific file?? |
| 00:30.45 | bob2 | plagerism: ask whoever made it |
| 00:30.55 | plagerism | I made it |
| 00:31.02 | plagerism | its just an xml document |
| 00:31.07 | dut | paulswm: on /dev/hda i have system on separate 4 partitions: /, /boot, /usr, /var |
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| 00:31.18 | bob2 | plagerism: then you know what encoding it is |
| 00:31.20 | yaarg | anyway to stop /etc/profile being sourced on ssh login? |
| 00:31.29 | plagerism | bob2, i never really think about encoding |
| 00:31.30 | bob2 | it's not generally possible to figure out the encoding given a file |
| 00:31.32 | bob2 | yaarg: no |
| 00:31.33 | paulswm | dut: what boot loader are you using |
| 00:31.41 | paulswm | dut: brb |
| 00:31.44 | dut | paulswm: lilo |
| 00:31.53 | bob2 | yaarg: why would you want to? |
| 00:31.56 | plagerism | bob2, what would be the system default, or how would I figure that out?? |
| 00:32.03 | bob2 | yaarg: (also, ssh isn't running it, bash is) |
| 00:32.05 | plagerism | bob2, I only used vi to edit the file |
| 00:32.05 | bob2 | er, sourcing |
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| 00:32.15 | mleo | busy bored...i have questions about kernel source and headers |
| 00:32.23 | bob2 | plagerism: probably ascii then, if you didn't use any odd characters |
| 00:32.23 | mleo | think ya'll can help? |
| 00:32.29 | yaarg | bob2: i set the title on my xterm to "email", i login via ssh to remote machine, then it overwrites my xterm title |
| 00:32.32 | bob2 | mleo: best to just ask... |
| 00:32.38 | plagerism | okay bob2 thank you |
| 00:32.41 | yaarg | i'm trying to stop that happening |
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| 00:32.59 | bob2 | yaarg: the admin on the remote machine enabled that? |
| 00:33.00 | bob2 | sicko. |
| 00:33.02 | mleo | installed debian for 2nd time on laptop...want to install intel video driver. |
| 00:33.11 | paulswm | dut: here are the numbered steps |
| 00:33.19 | yaarg | bob2: seems to have.. |
| 00:33.20 | mleo | script says : driver cannot install without kernel modules |
| 00:33.23 | yaarg | it's really annoying |
| 00:33.24 | bob2 | yaarg: I can't think of any simple way to disable that |
| 00:33.24 | Nwallins | has anyone gotten linux-wlan-ng working on sarge 2.6? |
| 00:33.32 | bob2 | mleo: did you bulid your kernel yourself? |
| 00:33.33 | bob2 | Nwallins: yes |
| 00:33.35 | yaarg | bob2: oh well thanks |
| 00:33.45 | rafx | in sarge, i'm not sure if ip-down scripts are getting called when my isp assigns a new ip address to ppp0 (adsl). does anyone know? would resetting the dsl modem provide the same scenario as the isp reassigning new ip on an already-established ppp0 session? |
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| 00:33.47 | paulswm | dut: 1. save the contents of /home somwhere *not* on hdc |
| 00:33.48 | mleo | no, this is a stright network sarge install |
| 00:33.54 | bob2 | yaarg: except to redo the title in your bashrc or such |
| 00:33.56 | mleo | i apt-got update/upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 00:34.03 | Nwallins | yes, someone has, I know. I have followed the README.Debian but i can't get the kernel module built |
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| 00:34.13 | mleo | uname -r says 2.6.8-1-386 but cant find that source |
| 00:34.18 | Nwallins | bob2: was that someone you? |
| 00:34.24 | chealer | rafx: why would your ISP reassign a new IP? |
| 00:34.38 | paulswm | dut: 2. use fdisk to make the partitons you require on hdc (i.e. the ones on hda plus home) |
| 00:34.56 | paulswm | dut: 3. reboot just to make sure the partition table is OK |
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| 00:35.01 | bob2 | Nwallins: indeed |
| 00:35.12 | bob2 | mleo: install kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
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| 00:35.21 | paulswm | dut: 4. make appropriate filesystems on all the new partitions |
| 00:35.22 | rafx | chealer: i mean assign new ip. they do this every ~24 hours or so +- many hours. totally unpredictable |
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| 00:35.27 | novice | could someone please tell me protocols for a logitech mouse? |
| 00:35.28 | Nwallins | bob2: which method did you use to build the kernel module(s)? |
| 00:35.30 | mleo | there is no 2.6.1-8-386 |
| 00:35.42 | bob2 | mleo: your install cd is very old |
| 00:35.44 | paulswm | dut: 5. go to single user mode |
| 00:35.46 | directhex | Nwallins, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a |
| 00:35.48 | mleo | only 2.6.1-8-386 so my modules compile wrong |
| 00:35.55 | mleo | i just got it |
| 00:36.08 | directhex | Nwallins, m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng if you prefer command line to curses gui |
| 00:36.14 | _rene_ | don't you mean 2.6.8-1-386? |
| 00:36.16 | bob2 | mleo: install kernel-image-2.6.8.1-1-386 and kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-1-386 |
| 00:36.16 | mleo | yes |
| 00:36.26 | _rene_ | and you really want -2.6.8-2-386 |
| 00:36.28 | Nwallins | m-a = module-assistant? |
| 00:36.30 | _rene_ | security fixes.... |
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| 00:36.34 | _rene_ | ignore -1 |
| 00:36.38 | bob2 | Nwallins: I just went with the tarball from their website, the debian package didn't support my shitty usb thing |
| 00:36.41 | bob2 | oh, good point _rene_ |
| 00:36.41 | chealer | rafx: eh, sorry for you. I guess it will be equivalent (doesn't your connection drop when you get a new IP anyway?) |
| 00:36.44 | directhex | Nwallins, yes. |
| 00:36.52 | Nwallins | bob2: yes, i am with you on shitty usb thing |
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| 00:37.03 | virgomoon | Greetings, all! |
| 00:37.12 | mleo | no kernel of that version |
| 00:37.20 | bob2 | mleo: read what _rene_ said |
| 00:37.29 | _rene_ | update. use a source from the net |
| 00:37.32 | bob2 | mleo: and in future, get a recent disk, like the ones on www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:37.37 | liviud | how can i add a source and then just use a certain package + its dependences from that source ? |
| 00:37.42 | _rene_ | your install cd looks to be really old. or get a recent disk... |
| 00:37.53 | mleo | i just downloaded cd...i can easily start again if that will solve all my problems. |
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| 00:38.09 | Nwallins | liviud: have it be the only entry in sources.list |
| 00:38.14 | Nwallins | then restore your backup |
| 00:38.17 | mleo | use the net install disk? |
| 00:38.35 | liviud | Nwallins: can you give me a fictional example? |
| 00:38.44 | paulswm | dut: 6. one at a time, mount the new partitions on /mnt and cp -ax the filesystems to them, it's easier if you create directories under /mnt (for example, to copy /usr: mkdir /mnt/usr;mount /dev/hdc3 /mnt/usr;cp -ax /usr /mnt;umount /mnt/usr;rmdir /mnt/usr) |
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| 00:38.53 | liviud | just input the whole deb's path ? |
| 00:38.57 | plagerism | thanks bob2 I got it to work |
| 00:38.58 | bob2 | liviud: no |
| 00:39.07 | bob2 | liviud: if the person who made the deb didn't make an apt source, you're out of luck |
| 00:39.10 | bob2 | flame them |
| 00:39.18 | gholen | HOw du I play .avi af mpeg files |
| 00:39.19 | Nwallins | sure.. mv sources.list sources.old; touch sources.list; { add your source to the new file }; apt-get install packages; mv sources.old sources.list |
| 00:39.21 | liviud | bob2: it has an apt source |
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| 00:39.36 | mleo | totem mplayer with w32codecs will play those |
| 00:39.49 | bob2 | liviud: then put it in your /etc/apt/sources.list and install it |
| 00:39.54 | liviud | Nwallins: oh but , well, if the packages i install are newer versioned in the normal sources.list then they get replaced together with a dist-upgrade |
| 00:39.54 | bob2 | gholen: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:40.11 | gholen | gitta check it |
| 00:40.18 | liviud | bob2: and it'll get replace by the other packages because they're newer. |
| 00:40.26 | dut | paulswm: Ok. Thanks! I'll try |
| 00:40.32 | paulswm | dut: 7. mount your *new* root filesytem on /mnt and edit /mnt/etc/fstab to change the /dev/hdax devices to /dev/hdcx devices |
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| 00:40.37 | mleo | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm the netinst CD is what i want right? |
| 00:40.39 | paulswm | dut: not done yet |
| 00:40.39 | bob2 | liviud: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 00:40.53 | CrazyFoam | hmpf i've gone crazy ... i thought postgresql-dev installs /usr/include/postgresql/postgres.h (and so does the dpkg bot), but it doesn't, only postgres_ext.h which i believe is the wrong header file |
| 00:40.54 | bob2 | mleo: what? you don't need a cd now. |
| 00:41.04 | dut | paulswm: oh, sorry |
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| 00:41.19 | mleo | well, can you reexplain what I need to do |
| 00:41.29 | mleo | the kernel i have doesn't seem to have source on apt |
| 00:41.37 | paulswm | dut: 8. edit lilo.conf *** and add a new stanza to boot from your new root on /dev/hdcx **** |
| 00:41.53 | paulswm | 9. install lilo, reboot, and choose the new boot option |
| 00:41.57 | CrazyFoam | i've search several old version of postgresql-dev from snapshot.debian.net, none of them install /usr/include/postgresql/postgres.h |
| 00:42.17 | CrazyFoam | anyone know why dpkg thinks that package would have the file'? |
| 00:42.22 | CrazyFoam | (dpkg the bot) |
| 00:42.27 | paulswm | 10. now you should be booted up on your new system on hdc, now we need to set up to remove the old disk |
| 00:43.21 | _rene_ | postgresql-dev: usr/include/postgresql/server/postgres.h |
| 00:43.41 | gholen | not there, shuld i use apt-get to install it, and what is its name in that caese |
| 00:43.42 | CrazyFoam | doh! ../server/... thanks _rene_ |
| 00:43.53 | _rene_ | probably it was there once (woody?) and now moved to postgresql/server? |
| 00:43.56 | paulswm | 11. edit the lilo.conf and make sure everything's referring to hda (it should be becasue it's a copy of the old one) |
| 00:43.57 | _rene_ | just a guess... |
| 00:44.07 | paulswm | 12. install lilo |
| 00:44.11 | _rene_ | or it always was there and you were wrong in remembering ;-P |
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| 00:44.40 | paulswm | 13. edit /etc/fstab and change all the devices from hdc to hda (the numbering weill remain the same) |
| 00:44.43 | CrazyFoam | _rene_: i was wrong, and dlocatedb was old |
| 00:44.52 | virgomoon | Does anyone know who is reponsible for the vendor listings on the Debian website? |
| 00:45.10 | paulswm | 14. halt your system, unplug the old hd and wire the 160GB one as primary (hda) |
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| 00:45.22 | paulswm | 15. boot. |
| 00:45.32 | paulswm | dut: 14. halt your system, unplug the old hd and wire the 160GB one as primary (hda) |
| 00:45.38 | Maulkin | virgomoon: Got a URL for the list? |
| 00:45.45 | paulswm | dut: 15. boot. |
| 00:45.52 | Maulkin | virgomoon: Not sure which one you mean |
| 00:46.06 | Optica_cn | easthero£ºhi |
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| 00:46.19 | virgomoon | Maulkin: Yes, I'm trying to get on the list and haven't had a response to two emails and two posts on the debian-cd list in about 2 weeks. |
| 00:46.29 | easthero | Optica_cn, ... |
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| 00:46.42 | paulswm | dut: one final think: when you install lilo in (12) above, make sure you install it on hdc (the 160 G drive) |
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| 00:47.03 | paulswm | dut: OK, that's it. It should make sense to you when you read it back |
| 00:47.13 | paulswm | dut: I have to leave now |
| 00:47.23 | Maulkin | virgomoon: Did you follow the instruictions at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/adding ? |
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| 00:47.37 | virgomoon | Maulkin: Yes. Twice. |
| 00:47.39 | paulswm | bye all, stay safe |
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| 00:47.46 | dut | paulswm: big thanks!!! |
| 00:47.48 | virgomoon | paulswm: nite nite |
| 00:47.55 | dut | paulswm: i'll try this |
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| 00:48.14 | paulswm | dut: my pleasure, make sure you understand it before you do it, it should make sense to you though |
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| 00:48.26 | paulswm | virgomoon: nite nite :) |
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| 00:48.41 | sussudio | !ops |
| 00:48.41 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 00:48.41 | Maulkin | wilylojik: Well, there's probably a backlog. My advice is to leave it for a bit, and it will get processed eventually if the application was complete. |
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| 00:48.53 | sussudio | !ops ^Ira^ spammer |
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| 00:48.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ^Ira^ spammer |
| 00:48.55 | Maulkin | !ops Spammer |
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| 00:48.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Spammer |
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| 00:49.07 | Maulkin | Ta ElectricElf :) |
| 00:49.09 | kromagg | hmm interesting discussino on debian-devel |
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| 00:49.14 | paulswm | what a wanker |
| 00:49.17 | thingfish | I heard on the new upcoming Simple Life, Paris and Nicole pop in on a RHCE training session and cause all kinds of mayhem. |
| 00:49.17 | ElectricElf | Maulkin: My pleasure |
| 00:49.23 | Maulkin | paulswm: r |
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| 00:49.31 | Maulkin | kromagg: Which one? :) |
| 00:49.34 | paulswm | !beer ElectricElf |
| 00:49.36 | kyle__ | I'm getting "attempt to access beyond end of dev.", "lost page write due to I/O error on <dev>" on my deb box running a 2.4kernel and raid10. Is this fixed in a 2.6 kernel, or something else? |
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| 00:49.54 | bob2 | kyle__: that's sometimes a really fucked disk |
| 00:50.18 | kromagg | Maulkin: the strange irc conversation causes one to tell the world he won't be applying to DD |
| 00:50.32 | kromagg | without referencing what he is actually talking about I might add |
| 00:50.37 | razorback | can anyone steer me in the right direction with this error on install??(following:) |
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| 00:50.54 | Maulkin | kromagg: Ahh, the one about the big pile of toys by the pram? |
| 00:51.02 | kyle__ | bob2, ngh, new disk...any other causes? |
| 00:51.20 | kromagg | Maulkin: toys? I dunno, it involved simonrvn in some big way at least :P |
| 00:51.49 | Maulkin | No offence simonrvn |
| 00:51.50 | Maulkin | :) |
| 00:52.03 | sussudio | !tell razorback about flood |
| 00:52.14 | razorback | its this /var/cache/apt/archives/console-tools_1%3a0.2.3dbs-55_i386.deb and |
| 00:52.19 | razorback | sussudio, im not pasting |
| 00:52.24 | razorback | im typing it out |
| 00:52.26 | sussudio | razorback: just in case. |
| 00:52.30 | razorback | its on another box |
| 00:52.31 | kromagg | Maulkin: hmm I guess that's some sort of syntax I'm not familiar with |
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| 00:52.42 | gurubie | How do you get windows video (when quick time isn't available) to play in a firefox plugin via mplayer? |
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| 00:52.57 | sussudio | razorback: how is a path to a deb file an error? |
| 00:52.58 | Maulkin | kyle__: sounds like it could be a drive error |
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| 00:53.29 | razorback | sussudio I dont know....thats just what it says on console 3 when icheck errors |
| 00:53.44 | gurubie | ...on Sarge |
| 00:53.46 | razorback | errors encountered while proccessing: |
| 00:53.53 | razorback | and then it list those two |
| 00:54.28 | razorback | second: /var/cache/apt/archives/ppp-2.4.2-20040428-5_i386.deb |
| 00:54.35 | razorback | then it unmounts |
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| 00:55.05 | Maulkin | kromagg: Nah, it's probably that I've got quite a thick skin when dealing with collabartivly run groups :) |
| 00:55.29 | kromagg | Maulkin: I meant, I don't know wtf "toys by the pram" is supposed to mean |
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| 00:56.07 | kyle__ | Maulkin, hm, whee |
| 00:56.15 | BlackBokz | when is kernel 2.6.10 is gonna be expected in the unstable sources? |
| 00:56.19 | Maulkin | kromagg: Ahh, "to throw your toys out of your pram" |
| 00:56.26 | directhex | BlackBokz, already is? |
| 00:56.34 | razorback | sussudio, any thoughts?? im at a total loss |
| 00:56.39 | directhex | !info kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386 sid |
| 00:56.40 | BlackBokz | directhex: it is.. :S... not on my mirror.. wierd.. |
| 00:56.42 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.10 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-4 (sid), Packaged size: 14185 kB, Installed size: 42692 kB |
| 00:56.45 | kromagg | Maulkin: ah k makes more sense now |
| 00:56.51 | BlackBokz | wtf |
| 00:56.51 | gurubie | BlackBokz: I'm runnig it now. |
| 00:57.06 | sussudio | razorback: no. try rerunning it. |
| 00:57.09 | Maulkin | Sorry, being obscure. It is 1am here :) |
| 00:57.26 | razorback | I have, thought I would check here, and see if anyone had any clue....thanx tho |
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| 00:58.31 | akiru | Can anyone help me with a "debootstrap" error im getting when i try to do a NetInstall with a Sarge CD? |
| 00:59.11 | chealer | gurubie: did you try mozilla-mplayer? |
| 00:59.20 | Maulkin | akiru: Someone out there probably can, but it may help to tell us the error message. |
| 00:59.36 | akiru | Maulkin, sure, ill write it out. |
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| 01:00.35 | bob2 | akiru: check the md5sum of the cd |
| 01:00.43 | gurubie | chealer: Yes (thanks) and it only does quicktime. In fact a had to fix the sound on qt. |
| 01:00.58 | akiru | bob2, if its a net install what has it got to do with the Cd? |
| 01:01.10 | gurubie | chealer: I guess I |
| 01:01.12 | Maulkin | akiru: There's still data on the CD |
| 01:01.16 | gurubie | reinstall it |
| 01:01.24 | akiru | hmm |
| 01:01.34 | chealer | gurubie: well, I never used that but the description doesn't talk about quicktime |
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| 01:01.41 | akiru | it seems to get about half way through the base install then have trouble unpacking things |
| 01:01.43 | Maulkin | akiru: If it can't use a particular binary, it may b0rk when (eg) trying to fetch things from teh network. |
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| 01:01.51 | akiru | the error is like a whole page of stuff.. its going to be loads to write out |
| 01:01.53 | Maulkin | akiru: That could be gzip. |
| 01:02.01 | Maulkin | akiru: have you got one example? |
| 01:02.13 | bob2 | akiru: checking the md5sum is the obvious and simple first thing to verify |
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| 01:02.29 | gurubie | Anyone do terminal Serving with Sarge or it that possible? |
| 01:02.30 | akiru | bob2 ill do it, sure. |
| 01:02.33 | snadge | can anyone here theorise as to why date --set doesnt work for me? it says it does.. then you run the date command again, and its unmodified. the only other useful information i can give is that its a "virtual" server? any ideas? |
| 01:02.47 | Maulkin | snadge: are you running it as root? |
| 01:02.53 | snadge | certainly am |
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| 01:03.04 | bob2 | gurubie: er, you know X has been doing network windowing for 15 years, right? |
| 01:03.08 | zignig | snadge: needs to be done on the 'super server' if you are running vservers |
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| 01:03.45 | akiru | Maulkin, on second thought maybe it isnt. It says: dpkg-deb: (subprocess error): error in buffer_read(stream): failed to write to pipe in copy: Input/output error |
| 01:03.47 | dippo | are there any potential problems with imaging an entire harddrive with dd while it's running? |
| 01:03.47 | gravity | bob2: Maybe he believes the "Debian is so old!" rumors are true |
| 01:03.57 | dippo | assuming you wanted to use that image later to restore |
| 01:04.04 | akiru | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2 |
| 01:04.07 | akiru | segmentation fault |
| 01:04.29 | snadge | zignig, that sucks.. i hate having a vserver, im only doing it because its heaps cheaper :( |
| 01:04.30 | gilles | Does someone use chinese on its system ? |
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| 01:04.49 | gurubie | bob2: Well maybe I'm confused. I did xdmcp but isn't Terminal Serving where you boot from the Server over your ethernet (I doing local) and not just X? |
| 01:04.56 | Maulkin | dippo: potentially, yes. |
| 01:05.15 | bob2 | gurubie: "terminal serving" is not a phrase I've ever heard |
| 01:05.15 | dippo | like what? |
| 01:05.29 | gurubie | ..thus zero maintenace boot disk (for old computer) |
| 01:05.41 | Maulkin | dippo: IIRC, it may try and read the file it's writing to. |
| 01:05.46 | bob2 | gurubie: "nfs root" is what it's called when you store run a regular linux install on a local machine via the network |
| 01:06.08 | bob2 | simonrvn: you really, really, really need to chill out on this topic |
| 01:06.10 | kromagg | the basic feeling of it was right |
| 01:06.10 | dippo | well, assuming the output image is on another partition than the one being read from |
| 01:06.14 | gurubie | ...like a CD or floppy (could be HD) that is. No HD or CD-rom required. |
| 01:06.14 | kromagg | I've felt like that too |
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| 01:06.29 | kromagg | though subtlety was a little off |
| 01:06.33 | simonrvn | bob2: people need to lay off |
| 01:06.39 | Maulkin | dippo: shoudn't be a problem. (IMO, no garuntee etc :) |
| 01:06.44 | bob2 | simonrvn: indeed, but you made it a billion times worse |
| 01:06.47 | Guerin | gilles: someone in china does |
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| 01:06.56 | Maulkin | simonrvn: Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. |
| 01:07.04 | dippo | the only thing I could think of is if something was being written to while read by dd or something |
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| 01:07.39 | zignig | snadge: can be , I'm setting them up for customers at the moment.... ;) |
| 01:08.09 | snadge | zignig, yeah at least you probably bothered to set the time properly.. *insert long list of expletives* :P |
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| 01:08.29 | zignig | snadge: I did , jan 01 1970 : 0 |
| 01:08.35 | kromagg | er d'oh |
| 01:08.39 | kromagg | that's my fault right |
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| 01:08.55 | EvilSporkMan | I can't for the life of me figure out how to make modconf's changes permanent - debian is automatically loading several modules that I don't want loaded, and I can't find any mention of them in /etc. I've looked in /etc/mod* |
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| 01:09.19 | kromagg | EvilSporkMan: normally /etc/modules, others from discover or hotplug |
| 01:09.21 | dvs | EvilSporkMan: update-modules |
| 01:09.42 | Maulkin | akiru: I'd check the CD md5 TBH. |
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| 01:10.06 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: why don't you want them loaded? |
| 01:10.09 | gilles | Guerin: do you know a chinese irc for linux somewhere ? |
| 01:10.27 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: (there's many systems that load modules during boot and modconf doesn't affect any of them) |
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| 01:10.46 | EvilSporkMan | bob2: eth1394 is particularly annoying, as I never use firewire. ditto for the IrDa stuff. (this is a laptop) |
| 01:10.48 | gurubie | How do I get my old box (P200 64MB 100MB LAN) to boot this (net boot type) CD (which works) and log on to my currently runnig Debian Sarge newer computer and run as fast it does (they say)? |
| 01:10.56 | EvilSporkMan | i guess i'll look into disabling hotplug |
| 01:11.00 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: no |
| 01:11.10 | bob2 | EvilSporkMan: blacklist them, /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 01:11.16 | _rene_ | better add eth1394 into the backlist |
| 01:11.25 | Guerin | gilles: irssi; rxvt-unicode-ml and a cjk input system should do it |
| 01:11.28 | snadge | zignig, the systems administrator i am talking to claims that im running on my own server.. so now i am at a complete loss as to why i can't set the time :/ |
| 01:11.39 | EvilSporkMan | thanks |
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| 01:11.57 | zignig | snadge: could be a bios thing. I've seen that before , old or new server ? |
| 01:12.26 | paolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.31 | toresbe | My C code ALMOST works now! |
| 01:12.39 | gilles | Guerin: i mean an address |
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| 01:13.04 | paolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.17 | snadge | zignig, no idea.. im asking about the age of the server now |
| 01:13.25 | paolo | help /msg |
| 01:13.58 | gurubie | Can Debian Sarge "Terminal Serve" or whatever it's called, allowing zero maintainence and not changing the old computers (as a terminal) hard drive? |
| 01:14.10 | bob2 | paolo: oh come on |
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| 01:14.25 | bob2 | gurubie: you're just asking the same nonsense question over and over |
| 01:15.09 | EvilSporkMan | gurubie, i don't know of any distributions that DON'T have telnet and/or ssh |
| 01:15.24 | gurubie | ah, just what part do you consider nonsence? I can't know the answer to an honest question already, can i? |
| 01:15.37 | Guerin | gilles: 88 Shining Heaven Way, Beijing, China? |
| 01:15.40 | bob2 | gurubie: "terminal server" means nothing |
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| 01:15.57 | bob2 | gurubie: if you mean machines running X servers with nfs-root, then yes, i't's easy |
| 01:16.02 | bob2 | every Unix can do that |
| 01:16.08 | zignig | snadge: you may have to get physical access and change it there. |
| 01:16.11 | bob2 | windows is unique in this being a big deal |
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| 01:16.37 | dvs | bob2: I think he might mean something like mgetty. |
| 01:16.42 | EvilSporkMan | bob2, vnc is a big deal? =P |
| 01:16.52 | bob2 | gurubie: www.ltsp.org |
| 01:16.57 | bob2 | dvs: earlier it sounded like nfsroot |
| 01:17.30 | Xenguy | ewww |
| 01:17.44 | gurubie | How do i set up nfs-root on debian Sarge and does that alow the zero maintainence net boot disk on the old computer/terminal? |
| 01:17.49 | snadge | zignig, thats not really practical since im physically about 2000kms away from it.. and getting the sysadmin to do it is annoying and unreliable |
| 01:17.55 | bob2 | 11:16:53 bob2 | gurubie: www.ltsp.org |
| 01:18.01 | bob2 | gurubie: stop ignoring and start reading |
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| 01:18.11 | zignig | snadge: don't forget to pump up the tyres on you push bike.... ;) |
| 01:18.24 | Paco | hi everyone |
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| 01:18.45 | mboumboum | refuge |
| 01:18.53 | EvilSporkMan | what happened to that "how to ask the right questions" FAQ? that used to be a major turn-off about this channel =P |
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| 01:19.02 | hanasaki | sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/^$/d' <= what is the /d in that expression pleasae? |
| 01:19.03 | directhex | !smart questions |
| 01:19.03 | dpkg | smart questions is probably Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 01:19.08 | snadge | zignigz: would cost me about $400 (AUS) in petrol for a return trip.. and take about 50 hours of continuos driving :P |
| 01:19.17 | gurubie | That ltsp.org project loks like it load RedHat according to my research so how do I get it to load Debian instead? |
| 01:19.23 | EvilSporkMan | heh |
| 01:19.24 | akiru | bob2, cd passsed its integrity check, anymore ideas? |
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| 01:19.38 | mboumboum | join#refuge |
| 01:20.07 | Xenguy | mboumboum: /join #refuge ? |
| 01:20.09 | Maulkin | akiru: Have you tried running it again? |
| 01:20.19 | akiru | Maulkin, 3rd time |
| 01:20.19 | akiru | :) |
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| 01:20.27 | akiru | my network is fine too |
| 01:20.29 | Maulkin | akiru: what's your output of df -h |
| 01:20.31 | Maulkin | ? |
| 01:20.36 | akiru | awk |
| 01:20.42 | zignig | snadge: and through blizzards ( assuming you are in .us ) |
| 01:20.46 | Paco | i am trying to install a driver for my wpc54g WLAN card. I was able to download ndiswrapper. what is the next step? |
| 01:20.49 | akiru | need to dash, will you be here in 15 maybe? well if not dont worry :) |
| 01:20.56 | zignig | snadge: can you get a friend , local sysadmin to do it for you.... |
| 01:21.16 | Maulkin | akiru: I'll be here for a other few hours, got some scheduled downtime at 4am that I need to fettle some DBs in :) |
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| 01:21.29 | bob2 | Paco: following the instructions thta come with it |
| 01:21.32 | snadge | zignig, you mean reboot it into the bios and set it there? |
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| 01:21.39 | Niriven | I have my wireless card installed but i dont get any dhcp offers on any of the intervels, anyone have any solutions? |
| 01:21.47 | gilles | where can i find those modules : snd-opl3sa2, snd-cs4236, snd-cs4232, snd-cs4231, snd-es18xx, snd-es1688, snd-sb16 and snd-sb8 (alsaconf need them) |
| 01:21.49 | gilles | ? |
| 01:22.06 | hanasaki | for some reason the autofs startup in linux is missing some files if i restart it but not on boot |
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| 01:22.14 | efault | gilles: use apt-file |
| 01:22.18 | dvs | gilles: apt-get install alsa-modules-2.6... |
| 01:22.20 | zignig | snadge: yes, if you have serial console you could do it. |
| 01:22.27 | Paco | (bob2): newb question here....you mean the instructions on the website or is there a readme file or something? |
| 01:23.23 | EvilSporkMan | Niriven: are you sure that it's DHCP broadcasting on the wireless card? run iwconfig and make sure the interface it's broadcasting on has wireless extensions (iwconfig is in the wireless-tools package) |
| 01:23.35 | shgs | Hi guys! Does anybody know how to correctly set the timezones and daily saving times for all applications? So far I was able to set the timezone via the TZ environment variable in /etc/profile, but non shell processes don't see the DST times. |
| 01:23.38 | Nwallins | bob2: regarding linux-wlan-ng: did you follow their installation instructions verbatim? any stumbling points? |
| 01:23.53 | Maulkin | shgs: tzconfig? |
| 01:23.58 | bob2 | Nwallins: bulid and install, and make sure you read the README |
| 01:24.02 | gilles | dvs: i can't find this package with aptitude |
| 01:24.04 | shgs | For instance, all my e-mails appear 1 hour late. |
| 01:24.04 | bob2 | Paco: no idea, probably both |
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| 01:24.14 | Nwallins | bob2: thanks |
| 01:24.22 | dvs | gilles: Are you using sarge or sid? |
| 01:24.27 | Niriven | EvilSporkMan: How do i make sure it is with iwconfig? |
| 01:24.35 | gilles | dvs: sarge |
| 01:24.36 | efault | dvs: woody =) |
| 01:24.48 | shgs | Maulkin: I've done that, but this command does not account for DST... |
| 01:24.49 | EvilSporkMan | Niriven: just run it - some interface should show up with wireless extensions |
| 01:24.51 | dvs | gilles: What does uname -r say? |
| 01:25.02 | EvilSporkMan | Niriven: I assume you have a normal ethernet card as well |
| 01:25.17 | Niriven | EvilSporkMan: Using wireless, and using ndiswrapper |
| 01:25.28 | Niriven | EvilSporkMan: Shows up find in iwconfig |
| 01:25.29 | shgs | Maulkin: The date command correctly accounts for DST but regular applications don't. |
| 01:25.47 | ideafix | whats a spork ? |
| 01:25.49 | gilles | dvs: 2.6.10 |
| 01:25.59 | shgs | Maulkin: Should i set my hardware clock to GMT? |
| 01:26.00 | maher | ideafix: its evil |
| 01:26.05 | dvs | gilles: Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 01:26.10 | gilles | dvs: yes |
| 01:26.17 | ideafix | what is it ? |
| 01:26.19 | shgs | Maulkin: If so, how do I do it? |
| 01:26.19 | EvilSporkMan | a spork is a cross between a spork and a foon |
| 01:26.29 | dvs | gilles: Then you need to enable those modules when you compiled the kernel. |
| 01:26.30 | EvilSporkMan | er, a fork and a spoon |
| 01:26.42 | zignig | EvilSporkMan: hahahah :) |
| 01:27.01 | EvilSporkMan | it is shaped like a spoon, but has small prongs like a fork cut into the end |
| 01:27.15 | dvs | Ahhh KFC. |
| 01:27.16 | EvilSporkMan | it is largely useless for both eating soup and eating meat |
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| 01:27.28 | EvilSporkMan | and almost always plastic |
| 01:27.36 | gilles | dvs: actually it works on my computer, then i gave my kernel to a friend who have a different laptop, and she has this problem |
| 01:27.43 | EvilSporkMan | !spork |
| 01:27.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, spork is an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 01:27.44 | ideafix | never seen one of them |
| 01:27.45 | pipeline | There was a time when foons were as popular as sporks |
| 01:27.53 | maher | ideafix: www.skeptictank.org/hs/sporks.htm |
| 01:27.53 | pipeline | but appears that sporks have won out |
| 01:28.04 | EvilSporkMan | i maintain that a foon is just a slotted spoon |
| 01:28.04 | dvs | gilles: Well, the kernel didn't have those modules. |
| 01:28.47 | gilles | dvs: why can't i d/l the modules ? |
| 01:28.57 | Maulkin | shgs: txconfig should be able to set your time zone. As for keeping it updated, I just use ntp, so can't really hel too much there I'm afraid. |
| 01:28.59 | gilles | dvs: i mean the deb you told me |
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| 01:29.12 | dvs | gilles: Those debs don't exist for 2.6.10 |
| 01:29.23 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: Referring to a slotted spoon as a foon is incorrect. A foon has the prongs on the outside, like a spork. |
| 01:29.24 | dvs | gilles: not in sarge anyways. |
| 01:29.39 | ideafix | when is next debian release coming out ? |
| 01:30.08 | dvs | ideafix: /topic |
| 01:30.33 | EvilSporkMan | pipeline: do you have a picture of a foon? google image search isn't getting anything |
| 01:30.39 | ideafix | im begining to think debian is dead |
| 01:30.48 | BlackBokz | its not dead |
| 01:30.51 | EvilSporkMan | ideafix: *cough*testing*cough* |
| 01:30.54 | BlackBokz | testing/unstable is GOOOOOOD |
| 01:31.06 | gravity | ideafix: Check the latest post to debian-devel-announce for a status update on release, and where we are |
| 01:31.06 | dvs | it's resting. |
| 01:31.17 | EvilSporkMan | unstable is about as stable as gentoo stable, right? |
| 01:31.28 | shgs | Maulkin: Thanks for the info, however my timezone is correct, and NTPd is also installed. The problem is that the system time is not consistent in all applications. Some correctly report the current time and date and other just don't account for the daylight saving time. I'll try setting my hardware clock to GMT to see if this works. |
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| 01:31.39 | pipeline | EvilSporkMan: It's the same thing as a spork. |
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| 01:32.06 | Maulkin | shgs: I'd guess that that means that some applications don't take into account your system's time config then. |
| 01:32.07 | Paco | ...looks like my linksys wpc card is NOT supported by linux... |
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| 01:32.09 | snadge | shgs: i have a hardware clock that refuses to update itself.. consider yourself lucky |
| 01:32.17 | ideafix | dont you think that all that FUD about the debian naked women happend because the dev forgot to make a naked men version ? |
| 01:32.35 | starshine | and a naked penguin version ;P |
| 01:32.40 | gravity | ideafix: debian... naked... women? |
| 01:32.41 | ideafix | lol |
| 01:32.53 | pipeline | ideafix: What do you think this is, ubuntu? |
| 01:32.54 | Maulkin | gravity: ITP: hot-babe :) |
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| 01:33.01 | shgs | snadge: Well, how about using ntpd, your software can update the clock at every boot. |
| 01:33.03 | gravity | Maulkin: DIE! |
| 01:33.22 | Maulkin | gravity: :) |
| 01:33.23 | pipeline | snadge, shgs: s/ntpd/ntpdate/ |
| 01:33.29 | snadge | shgs: the software refuses to update the clock too.. date --set claims to set the time i specify.. but when i run the date command again, it has not updated |
| 01:33.35 | pipeline | shgs, snadge: You really shouldn't run ntpd normally. |
| 01:33.41 | gravity | Maulkin: That may well have been the worst thread of the year |
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| 01:33.50 | Maulkin | gravity: AOL |
| 01:33.55 | shgs | snadge: Do you do this as root? |
| 01:34.02 | snadge | absolutely |
| 01:34.06 | aguano_ | Hello everyone... I´m new to debian and I´m desperately looking for a nice how-to or tutorial for setting up a secure smtp/pop3-environment. Any suggestions? Thanks! |
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| 01:34.29 | xlc | aguano_: google |
| 01:34.31 | shgs | snadge: Yeah, this is weird! ;) |
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| 01:34.45 | aguano_ | xlc: i tried! really! |
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| 01:34.57 | starshine | someone highlight me, I'm testing changed XTerm-colors app-default file.. |
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| 01:35.05 | shgs | pipeline: What's wrong with using ntp? |
| 01:35.10 | xlc | aguano_: ry harder ;) |
| 01:35.20 | dvs | starshine: no ;-) |
| 01:35.22 | pipeline | shgs: ntpd specifically. ntpdate is not a daemon, and as such, does not put a load on the remote time server |
| 01:35.28 | starshine | dvs: fine, be that way ;P |
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| 01:35.59 | shgs | pipeline: It is a great tool for keeping a pool of computers syncronized. If I don't use it I get a lot of warning while compiling programas. |
| 01:36.02 | pipeline | shgs: ntpd is to keep your local daemon (and all the workstations syncing to it via ntpdate) sync'd constantly with a remote server |
| 01:36.19 | pipeline | shgs: Yes, for a pool. You don't run ntpd on your single, local system, syncing to someone else's system :P |
| 01:36.21 | shgs | pipeline: NFS server not synchronized with compiling machine. |
| 01:36.46 | dillybx | :D |
| 01:36.56 | pipeline | shgs: You would run ntpdate daily on the server, then have the compiling machine sync to the server's ntpd |
| 01:36.57 | aguano_ | xlc: I just don´t know which are good and which are not. I´m a complete linux-newbie... it would even help if you could tell me which servers are any good. sendmail, postfix, qpopper? |
| 01:36.59 | Newport | hi i have an ati all-in-wonder radeon card 7200, i am using the "radeon" driver in XF86Config-4 under the Section "Device" but i cant score a resolution over 1024x768.. i have 1280x10124 set in there too... is there something i am missing? it all worked fine in fedora. |
| 01:37.01 | dillybx | what does my quit irc message say? |
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| 01:37.15 | Newport | ps.. my monitor looks like it was detected corrected and setup |
| 01:37.24 | shgs | pipeline: I understand, putting it on crontab, right? |
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| 01:37.37 | starshine | Newport: was your fedora using x.org or xfree86? |
| 01:37.37 | Maulkin | !start a mta war |
| 01:37.40 | dpkg | smail systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 01:37.56 | starshine | Newport: and did you snarf a copy of your XF86Config-4 file? |
| 01:38.01 | shgs | pipeline: BTW, how often does ntp try to synchronize the host machine? |
| 01:38.03 | starshine | !lart smail |
| 01:38.06 | pipeline | shgs: The ntpdate debian package, by default, puts it in init.d to be started at boot. A crontab would help. |
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| 01:38.19 | pipeline | shgs: ntpd runs continuously, syncing every few seconds, IIRC. It's been a while since I used it. |
| 01:38.46 | Maulkin | pipeline: you remember well then. |
| 01:38.48 | ideafix | whats the use to have multiple swap partitions ? |
| 01:38.58 | shgs | pipeline: There must be a way to specify longer periods for it... |
| 01:39.03 | Newport | starshine, i didnt grap a copy from fedora, but i am running x11... fedora ran x.org i think |
| 01:39.09 | bob2 | ideafix: spreading them across multiple disks can be useful |
| 01:39.10 | pipeline | ideafix: If they're on separate disks, you could conceivably improve performance :P |
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| 01:39.53 | pipeline | Newport: "cd /etc/X11 ; rm XF86Config* ; dexconf -o XF86Config-4 && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 01:39.54 | starshine | Newport: then expect them to behave slightly dif't, it's a project fork. |
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| 01:40.08 | Niriven | Im having trouble with my wireless card in debian. It isnt getting an dhcp offer, anyone have any ideas? Also, iwconfig wlan0 args doesnt seem to change any of my wireless settings |
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| 01:40.48 | bob2 | Niriven: are you sure you're not using linux-wlan-ng? |
| 01:40.56 | starshine | Newport: I have an older radeon, I have to use 'ati' not 'radeon' or it's awful |
| 01:41.41 | ideafix | how much ram do you think i should have to run the latest distros ? |
| 01:41.46 | Niriven | bob2: installed wireless-tools, and im using ndiswrapper |
| 01:41.58 | Niriven | bob2: Any iwconfig change wont result in a change |
| 01:42.20 | bob2 | ew |
| 01:42.30 | bob2 | ideafix: it doesn't matter |
| 01:42.38 | Niriven | bob2: ? |
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| 01:42.57 | bob2 | ndiswrapper suprises me not at all |
| 01:43.10 | bob2 | er, "ndiswrapper not working suprises me not at all" |
| 01:43.18 | bob2 | they probably have a list or something somewhere |
| 01:43.28 | Newport | pipeline Newport: "cd /etc/X11 ; rm XF86Config* ; dexconf -o XF86Config-4 && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 01:43.32 | Newport | i should try that? |
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| 01:43.53 | Niriven | bob2: it detects the hardware fine, but iwconfig doesnt change what i want it to change, like ssid, or ap, etc |
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| 01:44.18 | Newport | starshine, i was using ati but that was doing the same thing.. im trying to get a osx emulator working with opengl thats why i switched to radeon |
| 01:44.32 | pipeline | Newport: Yes, that will wipe out your old config and start over. |
| 01:44.34 | kyle__ | I've got some raid arrays automagically defined in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but they never get started on boot with "no dev. found". However, if I manually run the mdadm command it works just fine...what's the deal? |
| 01:45.01 | Guerin | kyle__: being started too early? |
| 01:45.21 | starshine | Newport: hrmmm well, use mesa libs if it's still touchy, see if that at least gets your app rolling |
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| 01:45.56 | BlackBokz | wierd stuff |
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| 01:45.58 | Newport | well running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 all i can pick is ati |
| 01:46.11 | BlackBokz | when i updated my kernel to 2.6.10,and rebooted it wouldent boot |
| 01:46.20 | BlackBokz | the linuxold kernel wouldnt boot either |
| 01:46.22 | kyle__ | Guerin, in the boot process? What would need to be done first? It doesn't complain about raid modules...I've even loaded all the raid modules and then run mdadm --assemble --scan, and same thing |
| 01:46.35 | BlackBokz | then i tried the 2.6.10 kernel agian, and i works :S |
| 01:46.47 | shgs | pipeline: Setting my hardware clock to UTC solved the issue! :) |
| 01:46.51 | Newport | Please enter the video card's bus identifier.?? |
| 01:47.17 | maher | Newport: read the instructions |
| 01:47.18 | dvs | Newport: AGP is usually 1:0:0 |
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| 01:48.44 | directhex | or 1:0:1 |
| 01:48.58 | directhex | but picking the bus id is unneccessary on x86 |
| 01:49.10 | dvs | directhex: What would that be? The other port on the same video card? |
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| 01:50.19 | maher | Newport: are you on ppc? |
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| 01:50.44 | maher | Newport: if so lspci should give you the info |
| 01:50.50 | directhex | dvs, yes, that'd be it |
| 01:50.58 | Guerin | kyle__: I don't know about mdadm; it's just one potential source of fuckups. Sty runnning it at 99 |
| 01:51.03 | Guerin | Try |
| 01:51.11 | shingouz | this is about half debian but bear with me, please. a friend of mine just got himself a Direcpc satlink and found out that he has two NATs on the connection neither of which can be configured for portforwarding. If I set up an irc proxy on my Debian system for him to use, would he be able to dcc chat/send? |
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| 01:51.40 | bob2 | no |
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| 01:51.50 | shingouz | damn |
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| 01:52.01 | bob2 | just use irssi in screen |
| 01:52.10 | starshine | shingouz: you might grant him a shell account on your box, from which he can scp files to himself, if ssh is not mangled by these broken nat |
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| 01:52.28 | shingouz | true.. |
| 01:52.55 | starshine | shingouz: dcc only works to true IP addresses, unless the NAT supports rewriting the irc payload properly (which is not portforward, but its own thing, see connection tracking) |
| 01:53.28 | starshine | shingouz: in short, it's ugly. |
| 01:53.36 | shingouz | starshine: the Direcpc systems are pretty anal from what I have been able to google |
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| 01:54.16 | shingouz | I think the irssi/ircii/bitchx in screen or the shell account might be the best way to get past this |
| 01:54.16 | Guerin | shingouz: get him to run a httpd |
| 01:54.28 | Guerin | shingouz: dcc is shite anyway |
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| 01:54.36 | bob2 | two levels of nat is terrible |
| 01:54.39 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:54.42 | Guerin | it's ugliness |
| 01:54.50 | shingouz | Guerin: ummm.. he has a dynamic ip behind two unconfigurable NATs |
| 01:54.53 | bob2 | surely we can all put in some change so direcpc can buy a real nteblock? |
| 01:55.08 | Guerin | oh, he's behind it. I though you were, sorry. |
| 01:55.22 | shingouz | luckily I dont have such problems :) |
| 01:55.29 | Guerin | shingouz: you run an ftpd with an upload, then. Or a httpd with webDAV |
| 01:55.48 | shingouz | I already set him up with an ftp acct here ;) |
| 01:55.49 | Slate | does anyone know why cardctl ident would not be able to get the manufacturer information from any card? |
| 01:55.58 | Guerin | shingouz: tell him to use it, then. |
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| 01:56.12 | shingouz | that is what we have to do |
| 01:56.15 | Guerin | shingouz: and tell him dcc is for child porn traders anmd zerawleets |
| 01:56.29 | shingouz | :D |
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| 01:56.39 | Guerin | shingouz: I hope you're encrypting... |
| 01:56.54 | shingouz | the ftp? |
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| 01:57.35 | Guerin | shingouz: the login/pass |
| 01:58.19 | Guerin | shingouz: the data may or may not be a big deal, but if you're not encrypting the login/pass, or using an account with no valid shell, you deserve to be shot |
| 01:58.21 | shingouz | ...he knows i will inflict serious pain if he abuses the account... and of course the logon/pass are encrypted as soon as i get to set it up. which is in about fifteen minutes (with new login/pass) |
| 01:58.40 | shingouz | i just did it as a quick and dirty to see if direcpc is able to send at all |
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| 01:58.54 | Guerin | shingouz: just set his shell to /bin/false |
| 01:59.07 | Guerin | unless he needs shell access for some reason |
| 01:59.14 | shingouz | good idea |
| 01:59.30 | nevyn_ | make sure you put /bin/false in /etc/shells tho |
| 01:59.41 | shingouz | nevyn_: k |
| 01:59.59 | nevyn_ | if they need to ftp or whatever. |
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| 02:00.18 | shingouz | they? fortunately just one person whom i know personally |
| 02:00.22 | Nwallins | what's the functional diff between apt-get install kernel-source and apt-get source kernel-image ? which should i use for building a kernel module? |
| 02:00.28 | Flimzy | Is there any way to exract the data track alone from a cdrdao disk image? |
| 02:00.46 | Guerin | Nwallins: neither. Use kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 02:00.46 | bob2 | Flimzy: ie .bin/.cue? |
| 02:01.05 | Nwallins | don't some modules require the entire source? (that's been my experience over the past few days) |
| 02:01.14 | bob2 | only broken ones |
| 02:01.26 | Nwallins | hrmm.. lots of breakage that's for sure |
| 02:01.29 | Flimzy | bob2: I have a .bin file which contains a data track and multiple audio tracks. I want to extract the data track alone to a .iso or similar. |
| 02:01.43 | bob2 | Flimzy: you need a .cue file |
| 02:01.45 | Nwallins | bob2: kernel-headers for linux-wlan-ng? |
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| 02:02.12 | Flimzy | bob2: I have the TOC file from cdrdao... is that sufficient? |
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| 02:02.47 | bob2 | no idea |
| 02:02.52 | chealer | test |
| 02:02.52 | chealer | ravenbird, drxx |
| 02:02.52 | ravenbird | bugger all, i dunno, chealer |
| 02:02.59 | chealer | !ravenbird, drxx |
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| 02:03.07 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:03.08 | Slate | Nwallins, i think you could use apt-get to get linux-wlan-ng with prebuilt modules for 2.6.7 |
| 02:03.11 | chealer | !drxx, ravenbird |
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| 02:03.22 | Guerin | chealer: wtf are you doing? |
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| 02:03.27 | chealer | nothing anymore |
| 02:03.29 | Nwallins | Slate: if only you knew.. plus sarge is currently 2.6.8 |
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| 02:04.05 | Slate | Nwallins, i've been working with linux-wlan-ng recently.... its a pain in the butt |
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| 02:04.37 | Nwallins | Slate: i have tried many different approaches over the past few days.. going tar.gz now |
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| 02:05.39 | directhex | Nwallins, module assistant didn't work? |
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| 02:06.15 | Nwallins | directhex: i tried that two days ago on a previous install.. may try again |
| 02:07.13 | Nwallins | Slate: the only kernel modules package i saw was for 2.4.27 |
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| 02:08.04 | Slate | Nwallins, it may be because i have several other locations listed in my sources.list file |
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| 02:09.00 | zyf | sdf |
| 02:09.56 | skot | whoa. i didn't mean to autojoin, but here i am. |
| 02:10.03 | Slate | does anyone know why cardctl ident would not be able to get the manufacturer information from any card? |
| 02:10.28 | skot | i'm proud to say that i finally got a linux distro or two to install and have been slowly learning linux for a few days. yay. |
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| 02:10.39 | skot | though i haven't fooled with debian yet. |
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| 02:10.46 | Nwallins | directhex: module-assistant errored: mv debian/control.orig debian/control â–’ |
| 02:10.48 | Nwallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.20 | Guerin | !congratulate skot |
| 02:12.21 | dpkg | Woohoo skot, you did it! |
| 02:12.31 | Nwallins | !beer Nwallins |
| 02:12.57 | maher | Slate: what does it say exactly - put it in #flood if its long |
| 02:13.25 | Slate | maher, its not long... just gimme a sec |
| 02:13.42 | skot | wanna know something odd though? everyone was telling me i needed a swap partition. well i've got one, but guess what the thing that hasn't been touched yet. yeah, the swap. |
| 02:13.58 | skot | it's depending on my system ram alone, it seems. |
| 02:14.05 | dvs | skot: you just started. You haven't stressed the system yet. |
| 02:14.11 | skot | true. |
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| 02:14.29 | Slate | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.30 | Slate | Socket 0: |
| 02:14.30 | Slate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:14.54 | mwilson | mad fast now. |
| 02:14.59 | cthulfuego | mwilson: TO a P4? ;-) |
| 02:14.59 | mwilson | Well, faster anyway. |
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| 02:15.19 | zignig | mwilson: debian or OSX ? |
| 02:15.24 | Bogaurd | hi cafuego :) |
| 02:15.54 | maher | Slate: does cardinfo see it |
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| 02:16.02 | mwilson | zignig: OS X, of course. |
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| 02:16.07 | cafuego | Hmm. Screen just said 'pop'. |
| 02:16.16 | Slate | maher, no |
| 02:16.17 | snadge | zignig, you know that weird time problem i was having before... i was running testing, did an apt-get update/upgrade same problem.. ran ntpdate, problem fixed.. huh? oh well :P |
| 02:16.27 | zignig | snadge: weird. |
| 02:16.29 | skot | anyone know of a good resource for linux is? i'd like to learn how to take the source from something and install. |
| 02:16.42 | mwilson | now 1 gb RAM, ATA133, Radeon 9200. |
| 02:16.55 | skot | that first sentence came out wrong, but i'm looking for a url, basically. |
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| 02:17.12 | Guerin | skot: you're using debian. You don't need to build source. |
| 02:17.13 | maher | Slate: what card |
| 02:17.17 | cafuego | skot: it's not generally a good idea to build stuff from sources on debian. |
| 02:17.19 | maher | skot: what do you want to do |
| 02:17.20 | skot | i'm not actually. |
| 02:17.22 | baronsamedi | anyone got any arguments for debian against fedora users? another enlightening debate with my housemate |
| 02:17.42 | Slate | maher, its a wireless card... dlink DWL-650 |
| 02:17.49 | Nwallins | debian smells better |
| 02:17.51 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Fedora speaks for itself. Anything is better. |
| 02:17.55 | mwilson | If your housemate wants to use Fedora, then they should use Fedora. That's about the best argument that'll bring them to using Debian there is. |
| 02:18.11 | maher | Slate: well cardctl doesn't get any info about my usb2 card |
| 02:18.14 | skot | there are just programs out there that don't have an rpm built for you, and i have no idea what to do with the source. |
| 02:18.14 | Guerin | skot: so go and join the irc channel related to whatever you have installed. |
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| 02:18.27 | Guerin | haha, you're using rpmware |
| 02:18.29 | skot | *shrug* maybe yr right. |
| 02:18.30 | maher | skot: what proggie |
| 02:18.30 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Just let them know you'll be firewalling his fedora box, for when it gets compromised. |
| 02:18.31 | Guerin | you poor bastard |
| 02:18.35 | Nwallins | skot: make; make clean; make install; |
| 02:18.43 | Bigup | hi |
| 02:18.50 | baronsamedi | cafuego, I don't think he understands quite why we don't use the 'latest and greatest' packages |
| 02:18.56 | baronsamedi | tried explaining just that :( |
| 02:18.58 | Nwallins | no wait.. ./configure; make clean; make; make install; |
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| 02:19.02 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Tell him about Ubuntu. |
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| 02:19.05 | Slate | maher, it might be a conincidence, however i've tried multiple cards (wireless and usb) and none of them work |
| 02:19.19 | maher | skot: check they're not in debian then do what Nwallins said - the source should come with a readme, on debian you probably watn to install build-essential to build things |
| 02:19.39 | maher | Slate: do you have appropriate drivers / pcmcia-cs |
| 02:19.39 | skot | ah. |
| 02:20.02 | cafuego | Nwallins: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 02:20.28 | Nwallins | fer sure.. |
| 02:20.31 | baronsamedi | cafuego, forgot about ubuntu, thanks |
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| 02:20.52 | skot | anyway, i'm not entirely in the wrong forum. this spinoff of knoppix, called overclockix is based on debian, or is debian or something. i'm not clear on that yet |
| 02:21.05 | Nwallins | skot: read the topic |
| 02:21.06 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Ubuntu appears to on occasion be less stable than Sid, though. |
| 02:21.12 | dvs | skot: this forum is debian only |
| 02:21.21 | skot | mmhmm. sorry. |
| 02:21.26 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Though I don't epect that to be a probopem, if he's contemplating FEDORA |
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| 02:21.36 | baronsamedi | cafuego, he's not contemplating, he's die hard |
| 02:21.38 | fcep | hey everyone |
| 02:21.38 | Slate | maher, yes... and linux-wlan-ng... the module is compiled and ready.. the only problem i can find is that the card is not identified and thus the computer does not know what to load... the card is, however, active |
| 02:21.43 | baronsamedi | well, die lots. |
| 02:21.55 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Hasn't ever used any other distro, I trust? |
| 02:21.57 | maher | Slate: try loading the module manually |
| 02:22.06 | Slate | i have |
| 02:22.32 | Guerin | jesus |
| 02:22.34 | Slate | maher, i have |
| 02:22.36 | Guerin | overclockix? |
| 02:22.46 | cafuego | Guerin: -funroll-loops |
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| 02:22.55 | maher | Slate: what does it say in syslog / kern.log when you do this |
| 02:23.00 | cafuego | They should base it on gentoo, would make it even FASTER |
| 02:23.01 | skot | guerin: yeah. |
| 02:23.33 | baronsamedi | cafuego: I keep trying him on debian, he kept ignoring what aptitude said and breaking dependency's though ("I don't need all this crap") |
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| 02:23.48 | baronsamedi | and so, after he's finished mucking with it, he's surprised it breaks |
| 02:24.10 | fcep | i set up my wireless card using ndiswrapper. i want debian to automatically detect the network using dhcp during boot, however after modifying /etc/network/interfaces and rebooting, i still cannot do it because debian loads the ndiswrapper module AFTER running the network interfaces config file. how can i make it load the daemon BEFORE looking at the net interfaces file? |
| 02:24.11 | Guerin | !overclockix is like smoking lots of crack, putting on your 3d glasses and your skimask, and playing doom on 'nightmare' while people whip you with cat5 cable |
| 02:24.11 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 02:24.29 | Nwallins | come on, is the ski mask really necessary? |
| 02:24.35 | Guerin | Nwallins: yes |
| 02:24.52 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Did you tell him all that crap is installed via his rpms anyway? |
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| 02:25.46 | baronsamedi | cafuego: tried, and reminded him of the 'great dependency hunt' *sighs* |
| 02:25.49 | mtqh | cvs [commit aborted]: 'root' is not allowed to commit files -- anyhelp....cvsroot=/home/dev |
| 02:25.50 | maher | fcep: try using ifplugd |
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| 02:26.12 | cafuego | baronsamedi: Just write him off, ferdora uisers at the end of the day are no better than windows users |
| 02:26.16 | fcep | maher, okay ill look it up, thank you |
| 02:26.17 | mwilson | baronsamedi: Which doesn't exist on a RPM-based distribution any more than it does on Debian. |
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| 02:26.43 | baronsamedi | mwilson, i'm not a fedora user (so not aware), but the fun he had trying to install mplayer was hilarious |
| 02:27.30 | mwilson | Dependency resolution for RPM-based distributions didn't become critical until it was obvious that users were too stupid to only install RPM's that went with the distribution they were running. |
| 02:28.22 | fcep | maher, i havent tried it yet, but i read about it and i am not sure if it is gonna work, because the os does not see wlan0 until after the ndiswrapper daemon is loaded. Am i just being overly pessimistic? |
| 02:28.23 | pestilence | if i start timidity with "timidity -iAD", should there be a midi control in the mixer? |
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| 02:29.05 | maher | fcep: ifplugd sits around waiting till it sees a working interface and then tries to configure it |
| 02:29.09 | starshine | baronsamedi: trolling distros aside, if he won't take the advice of the system, when physics and he disagree, the box loses. |
| 02:29.21 | pestilence | furthermore, i can play midi files with "timidity blah.mid", but if i start it as above, pmidi won't play anything |
| 02:29.41 | baronsamedi | starshine, *nods* not much more I can do, slightly worried we're going to be sysadmining east asia and europe in a few months together though :p |
| 02:29.42 | pestilence | i take that back...it plays something, but only when i ctrl-c kill it |
| 02:29.57 | pestilence | and then it plays 1 note |
| 02:30.07 | fcep | maher, sounds good. i read that, but interpreted that it did so only during boot. my bad. |
| 02:30.15 | fcep | maher im gonna reboot and see if it works, brb |
| 02:30.32 | Slate | maher, cs: pcmcia_socket0: voltage interrogation timed out. |
| 02:30.48 | starshine | baronsamedi: perhaps suggesting that he nod to father physics and mother nature will go further than any claim for or against his incredible natural talent :) |
| 02:31.03 | maher | Slate: what kernel |
| 02:31.13 | Slate | maher, 2.6.7 |
| 02:31.18 | baronsamedi | starshine, heh :) he's pretty good, we're just getting down to sly digs |
| 02:31.36 | maher | Slate: what version of debian |
| 02:31.44 | Slate | maher, sarge |
| 02:31.59 | starshine | baronsamedi: it's not that I *haven't* created deps hell in debian, it just takes lots more work |
| 02:32.12 | maher | Slate: is that the most recent kernel in sarge |
| 02:32.16 | starshine | or rude things like mixing in packages with alien |
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| 02:32.44 | Slate | maher, no, but its most stable on my system right now... newest is 2.6.8 |
| 02:33.04 | maher | Slate: maybe the kernel just doesn't like your pcmcia chipset |
| 02:33.17 | cafuego | baronsamedi: A 'sysadmin' who manages to break debian and claim it's a bad distro isn't what i'd call "good". |
| 02:33.35 | virgomoon | Is there a way to run jigdo non-interactively, i.e. from a script to automate sarge updates? |
| 02:34.04 | Slate | maher, ill try to upgrade |
| 02:34.05 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: why would you want to do that? |
| 02:34.06 | Bogaurd | 13:03 -!- PiRuaLLL [root@200.222.177.5] has quit [Client Quit] |
| 02:34.12 | Bogaurd | who runs irc as root? |
| 02:34.18 | Bogaurd | =\ |
| 02:34.25 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: someone who doesn't want to talk on this channel... |
| 02:34.27 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: to keep current isos around. |
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| 02:34.34 | maher | Slate: google for linux + your pcmcia chipset and see if anythings turns up |
| 02:34.35 | Bogaurd | heh |
| 02:34.41 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: there's really no point to doing that for testing and/or unstable. |
| 02:34.43 | baronsamedi | cafuego, we're not sysadmins, we're software engineers, our placements span both though (degree course atm) |
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| 02:34.54 | Slate | maher, i have... nobody has this problem |
| 02:35.04 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: you're better off (if anything) running your own private mirror of the packages that you actually use |
| 02:35.10 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: There is if you plan on making current cds. |
| 02:35.29 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: those "current cds" will be outdated the minute you burn them. |
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| 02:35.51 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: Sarge is only updated weekly. |
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| 02:35.56 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: no, it isn't. |
| 02:35.57 | maher | Slate: ok - i dunno - try doing different things at random and see if it makes any difference |
| 02:36.03 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: it gets updated every 24 hours. |
| 02:36.09 | Slate | maher, ok |
| 02:36.24 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: the website says it's updated on a weekly schedule. |
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| 02:36.35 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: and even that is probably going to change to a testing upgrade run every 12 hours. |
| 02:36.56 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: that's only for the CDs and the d-i disks. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the actual distribution itself. |
| 02:37.09 | dondelelcaro | s/disks/nightlies/ |
| 02:37.14 | Xemacs | 12 hours how do you expect me to get any slepp ? |
| 02:37.18 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: yes, I know that |
| 02:37.33 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: the cds are the issue. |
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| 02:37.54 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: you can trivially run jigdo all you want, I'm just trying to inform you that it's totally pointless. |
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| 02:38.19 | Xemacs | virmon there is a archive of cd set for starge availble from bittorrent ;) that might be what you want |
| 02:38.19 | fcep | maher, ifplugd seems to set up wlan the same as "ifconfig wlan0 up", but i still need to run pump to get the ip from the router. where could i add those two lines so that they run during boot? |
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| 02:38.22 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: the scripts would be all of 5 lines. wget the .jigdo and templates, then loop over them. |
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| 02:38.34 | chealer | virgomoon: if you explain in more details what you want to do, we can probably suggest better ways than jigdo |
| 02:38.54 | cyzie | what is GRUB Geom Error ? |
| 02:39.07 | NP_complete | My image still curves, when i move something, i have nvidia 6111 drivers, and corect refresh rate values. |
| 02:39.12 | virgomoon | I'm setting up to offer the cds for sale and would like to automate the weekly updates to the isos. |
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| 02:39.38 | dondelelcaro | people actually buy sarge cds? wow. |
| 02:39.41 | Pitchforklinux | hi all. I'm trying to find out which file/log holds the information on boot up. I know I see some minor erros during boot and want to review them to see what they are. anyone know what this log file is and where it resides? |
| 02:39.44 | fcep | cyzie i would think it has something to do with the geometry of your hard disk, but you will be better off doing a google search on that error |
| 02:39.45 | virgomoon | yes, they do |
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| 02:39.52 | virgomoon | quite a few of them, actually |
| 02:39.55 | vulture | virgomoon: why? |
| 02:39.59 | maher | fcep: you should have an iface wlan0 inet dhcp line in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 02:40.02 | virgomoon | Hell if I know, I just sell them. |
| 02:40.05 | chealer | hehe, I find that strange too |
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| 02:40.17 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: well, again, the script is really all of 5 lines. just wget the .jigdo and .template files, then have a for loop that actually downloads the packages. |
| 02:40.24 | vulture | virgomoon: so it's people like you that we have to blame for the idiots ariving here? :) |
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| 02:40.36 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: you're also going to want a local mirror so that you don't redownload packages that haven't changed |
| 02:40.48 | pestilence | Pitchforklinux: look in /var/log |
| 02:40.50 | virgomoon | dendelelcaro: I understand that, but jigdo-lite doesn't run non-interactively from everything I can tell. |
| 02:40.55 | fcep | maher, i tried that before but i got an error because ndiswrapper (the daemon running wlan0) loads AFTER /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 02:41.07 | virgomoon | vulture: probably, lol |
| 02:41.29 | kremlyn | Hmm. There is some kind of file which manages smtp daemons, right? |
| 02:41.29 | fcep | maher: so i got an error saying "wlan0: no interface found" or similar |
| 02:41.30 | maher | fcep: just the line no auto line |
| 02:41.32 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: sure it does |
| 02:41.34 | kremlyn | What file am I after? |
| 02:41.40 | fcep | maher ohh okay let me see |
| 02:41.48 | fcep | maher sorry about that |
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| 02:41.58 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: obviously I'm missing something, then. lol |
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| 02:42.33 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: You're talking about jigdo-lite, right? |
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| 02:43.07 | fcep | maher, ok so with that line, everytime i load ifplugd it should automagically set wlan0 up, right? where can i add ifplugd so that it runs every time during boot? |
| 02:43.37 | maher | fcep: if you installed it will run at boot |
| 02:44.22 | fcep | maher, okay ill reboot and see what happens. thank you very much, brb |
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| 02:44.41 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: I've seen no mention in the man pages for jidgo-lite concerning where to put scan locations or mirror urls in the command line. It appears to be only interactively. |
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| 02:45.38 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.45 | caphuso | Bogaurd: groups |
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| 02:46.07 | Bogaurd | caphuso: thANKS |
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| 02:46.12 | virgomoon | Failing getting much help now, I'll try again later. |
| 02:46.12 | Bogaurd | oops :P |
| 02:46.18 | caphuso | Bogaurd: yoUR weLCOME |
| 02:46.31 | Bogaurd | caphuso: hehe |
| 02:46.40 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: it's in ~/.jigdo-lite; |
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| 02:47.27 | demon | are there any preliminary X.org/fd.org X packages for debian sid anywhere? |
| 02:47.45 | Bogaurd | ok, i've added my user to the group src, but they still cannot write to /usr/src |
| 02:47.46 | cafuego | demon: None you'd care to run, believe me. |
| 02:47.52 | Bogaurd | even though it is chmodded correctly |
| 02:47.54 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: although, jigit will probably be easier to use... |
| 02:48.09 | demon | cafuego: so they're, er, "preliminary"? |
| 02:48.09 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: OK, I see that. How do you get jigdo-lite to run without prompting you for options? |
| 02:48.14 | cafuego | demon: rather |
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| 02:48.45 | Bewd | Anyone know anything about kdm in here? |
| 02:49.00 | cafuego | Bewd: ANyone who knows enough won't be using it. |
| 02:49.17 | Bewd | oh yeah, why is that cafuego? |
| 02:49.24 | Flimzy | On a mixed audio/data CD, are there any limitations regarding the order of the tracks? i.e. does the data track have to be first? Or can it be last, or can it be anywhere in the middle? If there are multiple data tracks, does the order matter, etc? |
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| 02:49.31 | cafuego | Bewd: it's sorta crap. |
| 02:49.40 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: I'll look into jigit. Thanks. |
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| 02:50.07 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: echo -e "\n\n" |jigdo-lite blah blah; should also work. |
| 02:50.10 | Bewd | cafuego : well.. what should I use instead? I was just told to use it to set up a better resolution |
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| 02:50.21 | indigirl1 | how do i see a list of installed packages? |
| 02:50.23 | fcep | maher: ok, now i dont have to run pump anymore. but... ifplugd still does not run during boot. and after i run it manually, it loads but for eth0 instead of wlan0. i have to specify with the --ifacce=wlan0 flag that i want to load wlan0, otherwise it will load eth0. any suggestions? |
| 02:50.27 | cafuego | Bewd: KDM? For a resolution change? Who told you that? |
| 02:50.29 | dondelelcaro | indigirl1: dpkg -l |grep ^ii; |
| 02:50.43 | Bewd | cafuego : may I pm you? |
| 02:50.56 | dondelelcaro | indigirl1: or /msg dpkg installed packages |
| 02:50.57 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: Oh, to pipe in responses to the prompts? |
| 02:50.58 | cafuego | Bewd: To change resolutions in X, you change the X config file. |
| 02:51.02 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: yerp |
| 02:51.11 | cafuego | Bewd: KDM is a login manager, nothing to do with anything else. |
| 02:51.17 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: No, that can't be it, that would make sense. lol |
| 02:51.25 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: since the defaults should work just fine, and jigdo-lite is just a shell script using readline |
| 02:51.50 | distempr | Can I get dpkg to list the files provided by a package prior to installation? |
| 02:51.53 | Bewd | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:52.02 | Bewd | he said I needed KDM ... |
| 02:52.05 | indigirl1 | dondelelcaro: what kind of command is that? |
| 02:52.09 | Bewd | after I set that up with the right resolution |
| 02:52.15 | virgomoon | dondelelcaro: Alright, I'll give that a shot. Thank you. I do agree, by the way, that actually buying the testing distro is a bit odd, but hey, people buy bottled water, too. |
| 02:52.16 | Bewd | it worked... but kdm is kinda weird |
| 02:52.20 | cafuego | Bewd: No, not needed at all. |
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| 02:52.28 | fishhead | any m68k hackers here |
| 02:52.30 | fishhead | please :( |
| 02:52.32 | indigirl1 | dondelelcaro: that looks more like an irc command than a linux shell command |
| 02:52.41 | cafuego | Bewd: Only if you want to run a graphical login and were particularly attached to KDE. |
| 02:52.53 | dondelelcaro | indigirl1: it is an irc command. You're going to /msg the bot, which will tell you exactly waht I just told you, along with a few other tidbits. |
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| 02:52.59 | Bewd | cafuego: I don't need to run a graphical login, but I do like kde |
| 02:53.27 | dondelelcaro | virgomoon: oh well... it won't be the first time people do things I don't understand. |
| 02:53.28 | cafuego | fishhead: Walk up to my cat and say that again! |
| 02:53.44 | chealer | Bewd: I didn't mean you needed kdm to change resolution, I told you to install it so that you don't have to use startx, startkde anymore |
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| 02:53.58 | dondelelcaro | distempr: no, but you can with apt-file, or you can use dpkg-deb -L on the .deb |
| 02:54.03 | maher | fcep: paste /etc/networking/interfaces in #flood |
| 02:54.10 | Xemacs | kde on knoppix has a resolution changer ! |
| 02:54.26 | Xemacs | is doesnt work well though |
| 02:54.52 | cafuego | Bewd: It's entirely up to you (I much prefer GDM myself) but you fix uyp the resolution by running that dpkg-reconfigure command and telling X about your hardware. |
| 02:55.05 | kremlyn | If I install postfix, will that get rid of exim totally? |
| 02:55.09 | cafuego | Xemacs: Same on Debian. |
| 02:55.10 | zignig | kremlyn: yes |
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| 02:55.23 | cafuego | kremlyn: No, you'll need to purge a bunch of config files by hand. |
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| 02:55.29 | maher | kremlyn: it won't purge your config |
| 02:55.46 | kremlyn | All of those will be in /etc/exim ? |
| 02:55.59 | cafuego | kremlyn: usiong 'dpkg --purge <exim4...>' |
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| 02:56.26 | Xemacs | or apt-get --purge remove |
| 02:56.30 | maher | fcep: look at /etc/default/ifplugd |
| 02:56.35 | kremlyn | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove exim4 which isn't installed. |
| 02:56.35 | dpkg | You are moron #4, kremlyn |
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| 02:56.45 | Pitchforklinux | what file is the boot up screen logged to? |
| 02:57.10 | dondelelcaro | Pitchforklinux: /var/log/kern.log; typially. |
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| 02:57.12 | Xemacs | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 02:57.12 | boris | Can someone point me to a good MPEG vider editing solution? |
| 02:57.16 | maher | fcep: also ifplug may take a few seconds to work out that an interface has come up |
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| 02:57.40 | fcep | maher, should i add wlan0 to INTERFACES ? |
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| 02:57.44 | boris | BTW i'm using xandros |
| 02:57.45 | Pitchforklinux | thank yyou dondecarlo |
| 02:57.47 | alexander | hello all |
| 02:57.52 | maher | fcep: no it should be a hotplug interface |
| 02:57.59 | alexander | ok, ive got a small problem |
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| 02:58.05 | fcep | maher, okay |
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| 02:58.32 | boris | alexander, do you live in DC? |
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| 02:58.35 | maher | fcep: if its pcmcia anyway |
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| 02:58.44 | alexander | i live in mexico and ive changed my dvd player region several times now, so i cant do it again. is there anything i can do? |
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| 02:59.01 | fcep | maher, should i google for some way to tell ifplugd to ignore eth0 so that it doesnt override wlan0, or should ifplugd do it by itself? |
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| 02:59.12 | jasz | alexander: ... comprate un dvd player nuevo :) |
| 02:59.17 | boris | My Lite on I was ale to firmware patch on it |
| 02:59.22 | maher | fcep: just comment out the line in /etc/default/ifplugd |
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| 02:59.23 | Bewd | sorry got kicked |
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| 02:59.30 | boris | go to cdfreaks.com |
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| 02:59.41 | Bewd | what were you saying about not needing kdm? How can I get more resolutions ? |
| 02:59.57 | fcep | maher, there is no line for eth0 in /etc/default/ifplugd.. |
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| 03:00.04 | cafuego | alexander: make sure you buy a region-free player next time. |
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| 03:00.24 | maher | fcep: paste your ifplug file into #flood |
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| 03:00.56 | alexander | so nothing huh? |
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| 03:01.14 | dondelelcaro | alexander: besides flashing your bios, and/or complaining to your manufacturer, not really. |
| 03:01.17 | alexander | why do they do this? they just want to get more money out of you! |
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| 03:01.40 | cafuego | alexander: Move to somewhere where it's not legal to sell region-locked dvd hardware. |
| 03:01.53 | dondelelcaro | alexander: it's required in order for them to get a dvd decryption key to sell. |
| 03:01.55 | alexander | cafuego, where is that? |
| 03:02.01 | cafuego | alexander: Australia |
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| 03:02.10 | Bewd | cafuego: sorry got kicked, how can I change resolution then? |
| 03:02.19 | cafuego | .. and various other places too, I imagine. |
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| 03:02.51 | Jubin | hello |
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| 03:02.59 | Jubin | I have spectacular news |
| 03:03.03 | Jubin | http://www.galler.com/en/produit-fichedetail.aspx?id=36&lg=3 |
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| 03:03.13 | NP_complete | how to enavle all keys, on my "logitech internet navegator" keyboard? |
| 03:03.25 | alexander | this is exactly the reason in mexico that there is so much piracy... firms take advantage of consumers, so consumers (me) go to the city centre and get things "fixed" |
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| 03:03.39 | Bewd | Why do I have to keep the window: '/usr/bin/startkde' open to keep kde up? |
| 03:03.40 | ledet | NP_complete: tell X that youre using a "logitech internet navegator" keyboard |
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| 03:04.04 | alexander | if they didnt do it in the first place... |
| 03:04.05 | NP_complete | ledet: how, please help ;) |
| 03:04.16 | Newport | hi does anyone run ePSXe? the psx emu? |
| 03:04.24 | ledet | NP_complete: $EDITOR /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:04.33 | rh0` | hi, can i setting up a Deb mirror without debian system? |
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| 03:04.48 | debian | any hotkey triggered screen lock. finding the lock icon to click in kde somewhat clumsy |
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| 03:05.11 | debian | rh0`: apt-proxy |
| 03:05.12 | cafuego | alexander: Yep. Thank your proximity to the US for those retarded technologies. |
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| 03:05.20 | NP_complete | ledet: but where? |
| 03:05.30 | rh0` | debian, without debian, im using slackware |
| 03:05.31 | NP_complete | ledet: and what should i write? |
| 03:05.35 | ledet | NP_complete: take a look at XkbModel |
| 03:05.45 | rh0` | i tried debian-multimirror but my perl isnt with iusethreads |
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| 03:06.59 | alexander | cafuego, but im serious though... people like me... i have a "chipped" version of the Xbox... at first it was just to get rid of the DVD region thing - this lead to temptation - and now ive even bought a pirated game (or two)!!! |
| 03:07.18 | alexander | if the companys led us not to temptation... |
| 03:07.18 | rh0` | i want to setup a Debian mirror using slackware, i think.. can use just rsync some mirror, would be work? |
| 03:07.22 | debian | rh0`: the doc has instructed how to initiate the debian installation process by compiling a binary from source. |
| 03:07.23 | xam | alexander: you bad, bad boy! |
| 03:07.39 | cafuego | alexander: it's their greed backfiring, I have no sympathy for them. |
| 03:07.41 | debian | rh0`: Look at this doc, I don't know where it is. This is something that you'd look at it once and forget about it |
| 03:07.44 | dondelelcaro | rh0`: why exactly do you want a full up mirror? You realize that it's something like 160G now, right? |
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| 03:07.48 | Bewd | Why does some sound work with debian but other stuff doesn't have sound ( like flash toons, and some audio applications) |
| 03:08.02 | rh0` | dondelelcaro, just Testing |
| 03:08.05 | zignig | dondelelcaro: is it up to 160G wow , thats all the arches and sources right ? |
| 03:08.25 | dondelelcaro | zignig: 12 arches or so, 3 distributions, and source... |
| 03:08.32 | cafuego | alexander: Same thing with Microsofts windows monopoly. means millions or idiots use Outlook Express and get me spam and viruses. |
| 03:08.33 | alexander | cafuego, yes - in the city centre here you can get any game or dvd you want for 2-5 dollars |
| 03:08.39 | ledet | NP_complete: find inspiration for what to write in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/ |
| 03:08.40 | rh0` | i have a slackware local mirror, and want a deb mirror. |
| 03:08.45 | dondelelcaro | rh0`: you're probably looking for something like apt-cacher or similar |
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| 03:08.54 | ledet | NP_complete: (try grepping for "logi") |
| 03:08.58 | cafuego | alexander: yeah, they'd be about that much to download |
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| 03:09.25 | zignig | dondelelcaro: massive :), i've always wondered why there has not been more projects that operate on debian as a whole rather than individual packages. |
| 03:09.30 | rh0` | what is the size of testing/ main+contrib+no-us ? |
| 03:09.40 | dondelelcaro | rh0`: for a single arch? or all 12? |
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| 03:09.46 | cafuego | rh0`: lots |
| 03:09.56 | Shorty` | does linux have anything comparable to FreeBSD's Snapshotting these days? |
| 03:09.58 | alexander | cafuego, they are just gonna end up like big blue / tried so hard to squeeze that when something else came along... |
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| 03:10.02 | cafuego | rh0`: ANd 90% of that you'll never even try or use. |
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| 03:10.12 | Eagle101 | help. how can i make gnome do the "clean up by name" automatically when i start gnome and/or when i delete an icon on desktop etc... |
| 03:10.14 | danny- | what gui is easier and or better, kde or gnome? |
| 03:10.16 | xam | rh0: without sources its about 8.5GB |
| 03:10.33 | Flimzy | danny-: bash |
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| 03:10.40 | cafuego | alexander: maybe, they seem to have lobbied governmennts and IP law enforcement into line with them. |
| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | Shorty`: where you can freeze a process and thaw it out later? |
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| 03:10.46 | danny- | bash? |
| 03:10.51 | Flimzy | danny-: kde and gnome both suck in their own ways |
| 03:10.59 | Eagle101 | danny-: I use Gnome |
| 03:11.07 | danny- | what is the best gui then for debian? |
| 03:11.11 | dondelelcaro | !best |
| 03:11.11 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:11.18 | cafuego | danny-: There is no best gui for debian. |
| 03:11.28 | cafuego | danny-: There is only a best gui for YOU |
| 03:11.34 | maher | danny-: use gnome for the first month - if you don't like it try something else |
| 03:11.39 | fcep | maher, works like a charm now. i guess ifplugd didnt automatically see the device because it was module-loaded |
| 03:11.44 | danny- | alright thnx |
| 03:11.53 | alexander | cafuego, oh well... thanks for the help... good night |
| 03:11.54 | Eagle101 | !best gui |
| 03:12.06 | fcep | maher so i had to explicitly state the interface in the conf file |
| 03:12.14 | zignig | danny-: depends what you want , heavy and shiny , or light and fast .... etc |
| 03:12.15 | maher | fcep: ok |
| 03:12.29 | fcep | maher thanks a bunch for your help!! |
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| 03:12.34 | rh0` | (sorry about my english) can i download sarge's cds and make a local mirror? (isos 1,5,6,7,8?) |
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| 03:12.39 | maher | fcep: you're welcome |
| 03:12.51 | danny- | i want the gui to be able to manage everything from file server to print server to web server to firewall |
| 03:13.11 | Bewd | What is the best way to transfer a lot of data from a windows machine to a linux machine? When I burn a disc or floppy drive in windows, for some reason it says it has problems mounting in debian |
| 03:13.14 | dondelelcaro | danny-: if you're managing those things, you're going to want to learn how to use a CLI. There's no way around it. |
| 03:13.14 | cafuego | danny-: MacOS X it is, then. |
| 03:13.18 | dvs | danny-: Those are applications, not GUI such as kde or gnome |
| 03:13.40 | danny- | whats a CLI? |
| 03:13.44 | xam | Bewd: why would you burn a floppy drive? |
| 03:13.55 | cafuego | xam: coz they suck |
| 03:13.57 | dondelelcaro | Bewd: use samba. If you must use physical media, though, linux will have no problem mounting it |
| 03:14.09 | Bewd | xam you know what I mean =P |
| 03:14.25 | Bewd | dondelelcaro : what does samba do exactally? |
| 03:14.26 | xam | Bewd: try 'samba' |
| 03:14.40 | dondelelcaro | Bewd: assuming of course that you've loaded the proper modules, and haven't done anything freaky to the floppy or cdrom... |
| 03:14.47 | dondelelcaro | !samba |
| 03:14.47 | dpkg | it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba |
| 03:15.02 | aficionado | hi, I think the MBR on my computer got messed up, I am trying to resetup lilo by botting from a knoppix cd. When I run 'lilo -r /mnt/hda3' it says 'Fatal: open /dev/hda: Permission denied.' I am not sure what that really means :-/ |
| 03:15.08 | xam | Bewd: you know windows network file sharing (network neighborhood)? It's the same for linux |
| 03:15.15 | danny- | ~[ dondelelcaro ]~ whats a CLI, and where can i learn about it. |
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| 03:15.21 | Bewd | dpkg thank you |
| 03:15.21 | dpkg | no worries, Bewd |
| 03:15.23 | maher | aficionado: are you root on knoppix |
| 03:15.26 | cafuego | aficionado: run it as root |
| 03:15.35 | aficionado | maher: yes |
| 03:15.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell danny- about cli |
| 03:15.42 | Shorty` | dondelelcaro: bascially so we can get an instant "snapshot" of the filesystem |
| 03:15.50 | Shorty` | we were thinking that if we remount it readonly |
| 03:15.53 | Shorty` | and then copying |
| 03:15.55 | Shorty` | then remounting rw |
| 03:16.00 | Bewd | xam : ah cool thank you... but I don't think it will work... I'm using two different hard disc drives, one for linux one for windows, same physical computer |
| 03:16.07 | maher | Shorty-: try lvm - it can do this |
| 03:16.19 | dondelelcaro | Shorty`: hrm... what are you trying to do exactly? [lvm may work... I've never used it.] |
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| 03:16.26 | cafuego | Bewd: Just mount the windows drive on Linux, copy the data. |
| 03:16.27 | xam | Bewd: in this case it won't work. |
| 03:16.37 | aficionado | cafuego: already am :/ |
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| 03:17.06 | Bewd | ok I keep getting this error when I try and read from a floppy or a cd that I have burnt in windows |
| 03:17.07 | Bewd | Please check that the disk is entered correctly. |
| 03:17.08 | cafuego | aficionado: That's not what "Fatal: open /dev/hda: Permission Denied' says. |
| 03:17.08 | danny- | Where can i find all the commands for debian and what they do? |
| 03:17.14 | Bewd | yet it will read audio cd's |
| 03:17.17 | Flimzy | danny-: you can't |
| 03:17.26 | dondelelcaro | danny-: start by reading the debian reference. |
| 03:17.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell danny- about debian reference |
| 03:17.31 | aficionado | cafuego: could it have anything to do with the fact that its chroot'ing? |
| 03:17.33 | dvs | danny-: it depends what you installed. |
| 03:17.38 | cafuego | danny-: ls /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin. Read 'man <file>' for each of those. |
| 03:17.46 | cafuego | aficionado: Possibly |
| 03:17.48 | Flimzy | danny-: That's like asking "Where can I find a list of all the places I can drive in my car?" |
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| 03:18.01 | debian | Flimzy: burn it up |
| 03:18.05 | danny- | well if sum1 asked me for a list of all dos commands i could tell them |
| 03:18.09 | Flimzy | debhelper: ? |
| 03:18.10 | xam | Bewd: explore2fs (under windows) or simply mount the windows partition under linux. If you windows uses a NTFS partition, you might run into small problems |
| 03:18.13 | danny- | so i thought it was the same with debian |
| 03:18.23 | cafuego | danny-: No, debian isn't lobotomised like dos. |
| 03:18.31 | maher | danny-: that's like saying i know all the places I can go on the merry-go-round |
| 03:18.32 | Flimzy | danny-: That's because DOS is a single command interpretor with a very limited command set. Debian has countless command interpretors, all with their own set of commands. |
| 03:18.38 | Bewd | danny- have you installed synaptic? |
| 03:18.45 | debian | danny-: ok, how did you do with DOS for a list of commands |
| 03:18.50 | xam | Bewd: if it is NTFS, you can read but not write with the 'normal' kernel drivers. ask dpkg about 'captive' |
| 03:18.51 | Bewd | xam it is on ntfs |
| 03:19.04 | danny- | ~[ Bewd ]~ i dont know what that is |
| 03:19.16 | maher | danny-: the debian reference is probably a good start - or any shell tutorial |
| 03:19.27 | Bewd | danny- it gives you a list and options to install available packages in debian... do a 'apt-get install synaptic' in root |
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| 03:19.48 | Bewd | danny- it helped me out a lot, I'm very new to this all as well |
| 03:19.56 | danny- | alrite ty |
| 03:20.34 | debian | danny-: oh, may be you can try 'info' |
| 03:20.34 | maher | danny-: pinfo is easier to navigate than info |
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| 03:21.17 | Bewd | dpkg : what is captive? |
| 03:21.18 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Bewd |
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| 03:21.21 | phy|rdc | hey |
| 03:21.33 | xam | !captive |
| 03:21.34 | dpkg | it has been said that captive is The first free NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 03:21.40 | Bewd | xam : may I pm you? |
| 03:21.42 | phy|rdc | whats the difference between vanilla/idepci + compact? |
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| 03:21.53 | phy|rdc | im looking at http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 03:21.57 | phy|rdc | for an netboot iso |
| 03:22.04 | xam | Bewd: sorry, no ;) lets keep this in the channel |
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| 03:22.11 | crushkill | hi dukat |
| 03:22.12 | dukat | cafuego: could it have anything to do exactly? [lvm may work... I'm using two different hard disc drives, one for windows, same physical computer |
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| 03:22.45 | indigirl1 | what is a gui similar to aptitude? |
| 03:23.09 | maher | indigirl1: synaptic |
| 03:23.12 | gravity | indigirl1: dselect also |
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| 03:23.19 | Bewd | xam ok... |
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| 03:24.45 | WiFiTux | If I do cat /etc/psaux and move the mouse and get no output, then what does it mean? |
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| 03:25.15 | chealer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.27 | dvs | WiFiTux: /dev/psaux? |
| 03:25.31 | WiFiTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.35 | WiFiTux | yeah yeah... |
| 03:25.43 | WiFiTux | ;-| |
| 03:26.11 | Scarletdown | Can someone here possibly help me with the TwinView feature on my GeForce 5600FX? I almost have it working right, but am still having one little annoyance... |
| 03:26.39 | Bewd | xam: how can I mount a device that it isn't detecting? |
| 03:26.46 | WiFiTux | chealer, dvs so, you guys correct people but don't answer? :| |
| 03:27.04 | maher | WiFiTux: do have psmouse loaded |
| 03:27.19 | chealer | WiFiTux: I think that means nothing |
| 03:27.22 | xam | Bewd: I don't understand your question. What kind of device? harddrive or cdrom? |
| 03:27.31 | Newport | is there a way to take an rpm and repackage for deb? |
| 03:27.35 | Scarletdown | I've run a cable from the S-Video out port to an S-Video / composite adapter and then to the VCR which serves as a TV tuner for an old Amiga monitor... |
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| 03:27.37 | dvs | WiFiTux: You haven't compiled that driver into your kernel. |
| 03:27.44 | cafuego | Newport: alien |
| 03:27.56 | WiFiTux | dvs, hahah right... ok.. |
| 03:27.58 | Bewd | xam : hard drive... it's ntfs |
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| 03:28.12 | Bewd | xam : I'm checking out 'captive' |
| 03:28.14 | DarknessX | is there a way to re-run the script that sets up menu.lst for grub? I tried running dpkg-reconfigure grub, but that didn't do it |
| 03:28.35 | aficionado | cafuego: figured it out, the partition was mounted as nosuid,nodev... thanks anyways |
| 03:28.44 | Scarletdown | My desktop monitor is set to 1280x1024, but the best the old Amiga monitor can manage is 800x600. So this is what the TV display looks like... http://mlparena.com/modules/My_Uploads/user_folders/Star-Watcher/TV.JPG |
| 03:28.47 | dvs | DarknessX: update-grub |
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| 03:28.57 | DarknessX | dvs: thanks tons |
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| 03:29.08 | dvs | DarknessX: np |
| 03:29.13 | ryan_ | anyone here use the dotdeb repositories? |
| 03:29.13 | Scarletdown | If I set the desktop monitor to 800x600, then the TV display looks right. |
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| 03:29.33 | bpence | I just installed sarge from the netinstall cd, and everything (with the X server) worked great until I rebooted, now X won't load.. any ideas? |
| 03:29.38 | xam | I see ... assuming you harddrive is /dev/hda, it is something like 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' ... look for the partition marked as NTFS |
| 03:29.41 | Newport | cafuego, u think if i use alien on ati's vid driver it will be ok to install? :) |
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| 03:30.08 | lightbright | Can anyone recomend a good book for the noob wannbe Linux system Admin/Engineer? |
| 03:30.37 | nevyn | lightbright: the unix programming environment kernighan and pike. |
| 03:30.43 | gravity | nevyn: Good call |
| 03:30.59 | nevyn | lightbright: running debian gnu/linux maybe as a reference |
| 03:31.17 | nevyn | but it's getting dated much more than the other book I mentioned |
| 03:31.31 | Bewd | Does anyone know a good source to find other irc servers? Not necisarrily linux or debian ones.. but for anything |
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| 03:32.09 | drac | Bewd: google? |
| 03:32.18 | debian | !google for irc server list |
| 03:32.20 | lightbright | Thanks |
| 03:32.26 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for irc server list |
| 03:32.29 | Bewd | drac ok I guess that works heh |
| 03:32.32 | debian | oops |
| 03:32.35 | bpence | any help guys? |
| 03:32.42 | zhyfly | i am a newcomer ,how can i do first? |
| 03:33.10 | mlewis00 | Bewd: Xchat comes with a fairly long list already installed... |
| 03:33.16 | Bewd | is there any big difference between php3 and php4 ? |
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| 03:33.23 | abrotman | Bewd: yes .. ask #php |
| 03:33.24 | debian | zhyfly: what is it? |
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| 03:33.27 | Bewd | ah ok |
| 03:33.44 | indigirl1 | Bewd: irc.org (or .com) and irchelp.org (or .com) |
| 03:34.01 | debian | indigirl1: a/s/l |
| 03:34.13 | indigirl1 | debian: no thanks |
| 03:34.13 | zhyfly | when i come in just now ,i find it hint me to type /msq etc. |
| 03:34.19 | Bewd | indigirl1: thanks |
| 03:34.23 | zhyfly | i dont know what it is |
| 03:34.24 | debian | :~( |
| 03:34.29 | xam | Bewd: www.efnet.org, www.ircnet.org, www.dalnet.org, www.undernet.org .... the four largest IRC networks |
| 03:34.42 | debian | zhyfly: you've to ask question here |
| 03:34.43 | zhyfly | debian, you know that? |
| 03:34.44 | xam | Bewd: sorry, meant www.dal.net |
| 03:34.47 | indigirl1 | xam: and most crowded |
| 03:34.48 | Bewd | xam : thanks |
| 03:34.53 | zhyfly | i know |
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| 03:35.25 | debian | zhyfly: you may start by look at the insatllation document in debian.org |
| 03:35.26 | indigirl1 | debian: creepy lol |
| 03:35.35 | zhyfly | i have tried many times to come in |
| 03:35.44 | zhyfly | today i am lucky to come in:) |
| 03:36.00 | debian | zhyfly: lol, so you got your first step right. :) |
| 03:36.31 | zhyfly | debian thanks ,u r so kind:) |
| 03:36.58 | dondelelcaro | !ur |
| 03:36.58 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 03:37.15 | zhyfly | there r so many people here |
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| 03:37.18 | toresbe | C code should curl up and die |
| 03:37.30 | toresbe | why will it not work |
| 03:37.32 | toresbe | why does it MOCK ME |
| 03:37.33 | kensai | dpkg knows lot of things ;) |
| 03:37.33 | dpkg | kensai: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:37.45 | debian | !r |
| 03:37.45 | dpkg | i heard r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
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| 03:38.17 | netcat | zhyfly: Sounds like you are new to irc. Maybe you should join #irchelp or www.irchelp.org... |
| 03:38.18 | indigirl1 | how does this dpkg organism do it!? |
| 03:38.30 | maher | indigirl1: its a blootbot |
| 03:38.35 | debian | zhyfly: but mostly grammar nazi. :) |
| 03:38.42 | dondelelcaro | indigirl1: large numbers of badgers operating in parallel |
| 03:38.42 | kensai | dpkg I love you |
| 03:38.42 | dpkg | I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/ |
| 03:38.50 | debian | !hug indigirl1 |
| 03:39.02 | zhyfly | i am sorry, i am not a novice of irc |
| 03:39.19 | zhyfly | but i cannt enter into the foreign irc for a long time |
| 03:39.37 | zhyfly | i just entered this irc for the first time |
| 03:39.37 | debian | zhyfly: yeah, the long distance call sucks. :) |
| 03:39.53 | indigirl1 | !blootbot |
| 03:39.53 | dpkg | somebody said blootbot was a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
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| 03:40.10 | chealer | is there something like annual debian project reports? |
| 03:40.36 | dondelelcaro | chealer: kind of... but there are too many different parts of debian to really do such a thing effectively |
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| 03:41.00 | indigirl1 | dpkg resembles a conversational google |
| 03:41.00 | dpkg | i don't know, indigirl1 |
| 03:41.10 | dondelelcaro | chealer: search debian-devel-announce on lists.debian.org; for "bits from the" for some of the updates |
| 03:41.21 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:41.21 | zhyfly | debian, i am not good at debian and also not good at English:( |
| 03:41.33 | dondelelcaro | chealer: as far as finances and other things, that's all part of SPI, and isn't really handled in Debian itself |
| 03:41.40 | chealer | no that's OK |
| 03:41.42 | zhyfly | debian, so i wanna learn more about them |
| 03:41.54 | debian | !win indigirl1 |
| 03:41.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, indigirl1! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:42.05 | nevyn | heh |
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| 03:42.17 | Kerr | Setting up a new sarge box.. up 'till now i've used reisers, but was advised against it. The machine has no ups, and will likley be used as a desktop. Any ideas? |
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| 03:42.36 | Guerin | Kerr: if you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 03:42.37 | debian | zhyfly: what are you good at then. You gotta be good at something before coming here. :) |
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| 03:43.13 | indigirl1 | apt test |
| 03:43.14 | apt | Passed |
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| 03:43.27 | indigirl1 | apt dpkg |
| 03:43.28 | apt | hmm... dpkg is a bot, or the low-level command to install and manipulate Debian package files (.debs). |
| 03:43.32 | indigirl1 | dpkg apt |
| 03:43.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 03:43.35 | zhyfly | debian, i just wanna learn it, and i major in electronics |
| 03:43.48 | chealer | indigirl1: /msg apt whatever please |
| 03:43.57 | Nwallins | what package includes dpkg-source? |
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| 03:44.30 | Nwallins | module-assistant borked because dpkg-source wasn't found |
| 03:44.49 | Nwallins | file a bug report or go through with the lobotomy? |
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| 03:45.04 | zhyfly | debian, I want to know which video player is good in debian |
| 03:45.08 | debian | zhyfly: I'm just kidding. Feel free to ask here. |
| 03:45.12 | chealer | Nwallins: check packages.d.o |
| 03:45.18 | debian | zhyfly: mplayer and xine |
| 03:45.38 | gravity | zhyfly: Also totem |
| 03:45.41 | Nwallins | if module-assistant depends on dpkg-source, shouldn't it have installed whatever package is required? |
| 03:45.42 | netcat | Nwallins: apt-cache search dpkg-source |
| 03:45.43 | zhyfly | debian,but i cannot control my mplayer successfully |
| 03:45.45 | kensai | zhyfly, mplayer |
| 03:45.53 | debian | zhyfly: it goes wild? |
| 03:45.57 | zhyfly | mplayer is good? |
| 03:46.04 | Nwallins | netcat: nada |
| 03:46.05 | debian | zhyfly: since slice bread |
| 03:46.12 | chealer | Nwallins: dpkg-source doesn't exist... |
| 03:46.12 | kensai | zhyfly, for me is great |
| 03:46.27 | debian | zhyfly: the startup time is a bit faster than xine |
| 03:46.28 | Nwallins | dpkg-source seems to be a binary that module-assistant uses |
| 03:46.41 | netcat | Nwallins: When I did it on my system it showed dpkg-dev |
| 03:46.43 | Guerin | mplayer has keyboard controls, they're good, too. |
| 03:46.44 | zhyfly | really? |
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| 03:46.48 | debian | zhyfly: that makes the different when you look at large number of small movie clips(don't ask me what they're) |
| 03:46.50 | chealer | Nwallins: dpkg-source is a command |
| 03:46.55 | Guerin | mplayer is way better than xine |
| 03:46.56 | Nwallins | exactamundo |
| 03:46.57 | zhyfly | i just successfully used totem |
| 03:47.18 | zhyfly | but how to compile mplayer |
| 03:47.31 | zhyfly | do u know some howto about it? |
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| 03:47.38 | debian | !mplayer |
| 03:47.38 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available. marillat website is DOWN. See: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (maybe) |
| 03:47.43 | debian | zhyfly: just get it |
| 03:47.49 | zhyfly | i have compile it many times |
| 03:47.51 | Nwallins | so the module-assistant package apparently depends on the dpkg-dev package, but apt-get install module-assistant doesn't install dpkg-dev |
| 03:47.52 | zhyfly | apt-get ? |
| 03:47.57 | gradzac | Guerin: why do you like mplayer better? |
| 03:47.58 | debian | zhyfly: aye |
| 03:48.13 | Guerin | gradzac: faster. |
| 03:48.14 | aficionado | are there any free vmware type of PC emulators for linux? |
| 03:48.17 | travisat | zhyfly: there is a how-to on the ubuntu forums under how-tos |
| 03:48.26 | travisat | it works for debian |
| 03:48.30 | Guerin | gradzac: and it seems more stable, for me. |
| 03:48.39 | gradzac | Guerin: hmm...I've only used them to play video streams and I haven't noticed a difference |
| 03:48.44 | Guerin | travisat: a how-to for mplayer? |
| 03:48.52 | zhyfly | travisat,really?thanks, |
| 03:48.57 | Guerin | gradzac: I'm running pretty low-end hardware. |
| 03:49.02 | gradzac | Guerin: interesting....I found that xine worked better for playing video streams |
| 03:49.09 | zhyfly | travisat, but where is it |
| 03:49.17 | bpence | I am running a laptop with a touchpd, and after the initial install of debian, the pad worked fine and X loaded, after reboot, X won't load, and it can't detect the mouse.. what happened? |
| 03:49.23 | Guerin | gradzac: doesn't xine come with a gui by default? |
| 03:49.27 | gradzac | Guerin: me too maybe....depending on how you define low end :) |
| 03:49.28 | Guerin | that shit is nasty |
| 03:49.28 | Kerr | I also found mplayer was faster |
| 03:49.34 | travisat | zhyfly, www.ubuntuforums.org I think |
| 03:49.39 | Guerin | gradzac: p2-233, cel500, p3-733 |
| 03:49.43 | gradzac | Guerin: yes I think so....at least that is the only way I have used it |
| 03:49.44 | kensai | zhyfly, just put deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main in /etc/apt/sources.list and install from .deb with apt |
| 03:49.48 | ryan_ | aficionado: vmware isn't an emulator. |
| 03:49.56 | gradzac | Guerin: lower end than what I am using |
| 03:49.58 | Guerin | yeah, see, I just want to runn it from the cli |
| 03:50.08 | travisat | zhyfly, the marillat debs work great though |
| 03:50.09 | ryan_ | aficionado, plex86 does somthing simmilar, but is not mature. |
| 03:50.28 | gradzac | Guerin: its weird...I can get xine to play streams without issues that mplayer chokes on |
| 03:50.33 | zhyfly | there seems something wrong with my xchat |
| 03:50.47 | gradzac | I've never tried DVDs with them though....I'd like to do that comparison |
| 03:50.51 | Guerin | travisat: you don't need a howto to compile mplayer - just install the packages. Or apt-get source mplayer; apt-get build-dep mplayer-386; debian/rules binary |
| 03:50.53 | zhyfly | i cannt see your messages completely |
| 03:50.57 | useruser | gradzac: ogle rules for dvds |
| 03:51.13 | gradzac | useruser: gotta get a DVD drive for this box first |
| 03:51.14 | ryan_ | useruser, does ogle deinterlace yet? |
| 03:51.19 | Flimzy | What are the implications of reading or not reading subchannel data from a CD when creating a CD image with cdrdao? |
| 03:51.36 | zhyfly | there always some letters disappeared in the last sentences:( |
| 03:51.38 | useruser | ryan_: dunno. my box is too slow to do that anyway :) i need something with minimal overhead, and ogle is the one |
| 03:51.44 | Guerin | gradzac: hrm, funky. I've never found a stream it won't plaay - unless I don't have the codecs. I've found a few which it won't play WELL - sound out of sync, etc... but that's a hardware problem, and xine doesn't do any better |
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| 03:52.22 | gradzac | Guerin: I'm taking online classes and mplayer won't touch the videostreams of my lectures....xine works OK |
| 03:52.29 | gradzac | I can't figure out why though |
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| 03:53.07 | Kerr | !redhat |
| 03:53.08 | dpkg | methinks redhat is just a big redHACK! |
| 03:53.16 | Guerin | gradzac: what format? |
| 03:53.17 | simonrvn | good bye |
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| 03:53.21 | Flimzy | gradzac: I've had issues like that with a few video files, too. And a few that xine won't like, but mplayer is fine with. |
| 03:53.31 | gradzac | Guerin: they are windows media |
| 03:53.32 | zack | i'm getting a kernel panic trying to boot kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 ... suck. |
| 03:53.38 | zack | Kerr: stfu, thanks. |
| 03:53.45 | gradzac | Flimzy: yeah...it is incosistent with what works and what doesn't |
| 03:53.46 | DarknessX | gradzac: codecs? |
| 03:54.02 | Guerin | gradzac: get w32codecs from marillat's archive |
| 03:54.04 | DarknessX | like, are xine and mplayer looking in two different places for their codecs? |
| 03:54.05 | gradzac | DarknessX: I have the codecs |
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| 03:54.25 | gradzac | DarknessX: its possible....I'll have to check that |
| 03:54.26 | Guerin | any codec which works for xine should work for mplayer |
| 03:54.32 | zhyfly | ok,thanks everyone |
| 03:54.34 | Flimzy | I should be able to mount a "CD-Extra" like a standard CD-ROM, right? |
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| 03:57.08 | Zetabyte | Hey all, I'm trying to compile a custom kernel the Debian way (TM), the new 2.6.10 kernel, and I'm getting some compile errors. Is there a way to tell which kernel config option(s) are involved with which source files so I can locate the source of the problem? |
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| 03:57.32 | calin | possibly |
| 03:57.42 | Guerin | Zetabyte: 1) why are you compiling; 2) what specific errors are you getting? |
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| 03:58.33 | Zetabyte | 1. Building custom kernel for a dedicated file server, wanted cut-down kernel with compiled in software raid |
| 03:59.10 | Zetabyte | 2. the errors are in drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv.c |
| 03:59.11 | Flimzy | Zetabyte: If the problems are in the source, then you shouldn't be using that kernel on your fileserver. |
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| 03:59.41 | Guerin | Zetabyte: well, that's pretty easy to figure out which config option... |
| 03:59.46 | Guerin | Zetabyte: man grep |
| 03:59.51 | Zetabyte | it's not exactly a "production" server or anything, it is for personal use, but are you basically telling me 2.6.10 isn't ready yet? |
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| 04:00.09 | Flimzy | Zetabyte: More likely, you did something wrong. |
| 04:00.22 | Guerin | it builds for debian and god knows how many other people |
| 04:00.44 | Zetabyte | first error is: drivers/char/drm/gamma_context.h:193: error: structure has no member named `next_buffer' |
| 04:00.51 | jorgp | in sarge what exactly is standard that is frozen? is that main? |
| 04:00.54 | Flimzy | Zetabyte: "If the problems are in the source, then you shouldn't be using that kernel" means "I don't think the probem is in the source at all" |
| 04:01.07 | Guerin | Zetabyte: what is that module for, and do you need it? |
| 04:01.34 | Zetabyte | erm, I don't know, that's what i was looking to find out. is the actual option going to have "GAMMA_DRV" in it? |
| 04:01.37 | Flimzy | jorgp: I'm not sure what you're *trying* to ask... but I think the literal answer to your question is "no". But then your question doesn't really make a lot of sense |
| 04:01.54 | Flimzy | jorgp: "main" is a section in Debian... and thus exists in frozen, and sarge, and every other release. |
| 04:01.55 | Guerin | jorgp: base is the base software which is installed, at a minimum. Standard are the things which every install SHOULD have, but which are not strictly required. |
| 04:02.07 | Guerin | main is a different story altogether |
| 04:02.21 | usuario | Is there anyone that can help me with a tiny char/string problem in Java? |
| 04:02.23 | Guerin | Zetabyte: hope so. Grep for GAM |
| 04:02.40 | Zetabyte | looks like the option is CONFIG_DRM_GAMMA - looking up what that is now |
| 04:02.42 | Nwallins | usuario: doubtful |
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| 04:02.49 | jorgp | Guerin: just curious since sarge seems to change daily |
| 04:02.54 | unixfool_ | will core files and crap in /var/run get rm'd on startup? |
| 04:03.04 | Guerin | jorgp: yeah. There are lots of sectons other than base and standard. |
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| 04:03.44 | crushkill | hi dukat |
| 04:03.44 | dukat | Shorty`: hrm... what are you trying to do exactly? [lvm may work... I've never used it.] |
| 04:03.46 | jorgp | Guerin: well, I am mirroring main right now, and it changes daily |
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| 04:04.05 | Guerin | jorgp: yeah. All these sections are included in main. |
| 04:04.18 | Guerin | jorgp: look at packages.debian.org/testing for a list of sections |
| 04:04.38 | jorgp | Guerin: thanks |
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| 04:05.22 | tchino | hello, has somebody installed a functioned on debian? |
| 04:05.32 | bpence | what program do Iuse to unzip bz2 files? |
| 04:05.38 | maher | bpence: bunzip2 |
| 04:05.42 | bpence | thanks |
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| 04:06.44 | Flimzy | tchino: a what? |
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| 04:08.05 | Zetabyte | Guerin: ok, the answer is no, it's not something i need, it was a module by default, and I can just disable it. it seems to be for the 3D Labs GMX2000 chipset. I wonder why my machine didn't want to compile it tho... |
| 04:08.09 | danny- | i just installed debian and did the updates, i am now at the "configuration debconf" screen and it asks me what interface to use (dialog, gnome, kde etc..), I want to use the gnome GUI for debian but do i select gnome at this screen? |
| 04:08.33 | dvs | danny-: Sure, it won't hurt. |
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| 04:08.45 | PitchForkLinux | can anyone advise me of a good source to purchase a 14 disc or DVD set of Debian testing/Sarge/? My isp is so shitty I can't really dl updates/upgrades |
| 04:09.15 | blutkind | good question |
| 04:09.24 | blutkind | you might be able to email linuxiso.org |
| 04:09.26 | blutkind | and request it |
| 04:09.30 | dvs | PitchForkLinux: Where are you located? |
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| 04:09.41 | tchino | Flimzy: a funtioned wine, sorry |
| 04:09.46 | jager | does cheapbytes sell debian? |
| 04:09.52 | dvs | jager: yup |
| 04:09.59 | jager | i have ordered cds from them before, they're good |
| 04:10.01 | blutkind | cheapbytes should (might?) have it |
| 04:10.02 | blutkind | :/ |
| 04:10.02 | p8m | howdy, Is there a way to use jffs2 with the standard(2.4.27-1-386) kernel? |
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| 04:10.12 | dvs | jager: I'd prefer linuxcentral.com though. |
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| 04:10.20 | blutkind | p8m, if there is a patch for it maybe. |
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| 04:10.29 | PitchForkLinux | dvs I'm in Ohio |
| 04:10.39 | p8m | blutkind: Would 2.6 have support for it? |
| 04:10.42 | dvs | PitchForkLinux: linuxcentral.com should be fine. |
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| 04:10.52 | blutkind | p8m if you find a kernel set with a patch for it. |
| 04:10.55 | blutkind | Or the patch for it. |
| 04:10.57 | PitchForkLinux | ok thank you |
| 04:11.02 | dvs | PitchForkLinux: They're in Michegan. |
| 04:11.02 | Growly | gidday |
| 04:11.04 | p8m | blutkind: ok thanks |
| 04:11.10 | blutkind | p8m, not a problem. |
| 04:11.34 | Agabus | hey could anyone tell me why in apt-get/synaptic there is a newer version of firefox labeled '1.0+dfsg.1-2' when there have been no newly released versions of firefox or have there? |
| 04:11.35 | blutkind | i install debian 3.0_r4 at 9:54pm by 11pm i had sarge installed lol |
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| 04:11.49 | netsplit | !u |
| 04:11.49 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:11.54 | jager | argh |
| 04:12.02 | tchino | i need help in installing wine under debian |
| 04:12.13 | blutkind | tchino, shouldn't be that hard... |
| 04:12.20 | jager | apt is stuf on libFLAC, it says it needs to update to libFLAC6 |
| 04:12.37 | calin | !ur |
| 04:12.37 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 04:12.53 | Growly | !gay |
| 04:12.53 | tchino | blutkind: how you mean that? |
| 04:12.53 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 04:13.10 | p8m | How can I determine what keycode a keyboard key sends in X? |
| 04:13.13 | calin | !what |
| 04:13.13 | dpkg | This! |
| 04:13.16 | calin | !this |
| 04:13.16 | dpkg | What? |
| 04:13.16 | Growly | !homo |
| 04:13.16 | dpkg | it has been said that homo is misspelled ~ |
| 04:13.19 | Guerin | p8m: xev |
| 04:13.23 | calin | !mooe |
| 04:13.26 | calin | !hah |
| 04:13.27 | Guerin | Growly: fucking stop |
| 04:13.28 | p8m | Guerin: thanks |
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| 04:13.31 | Guerin | calin: you too |
| 04:13.31 | Growly | bahaha |
| 04:13.33 | Guerin | eejits |
| 04:13.34 | calin | awe |
| 04:13.41 | MobyTurbo | please msg the bots |
| 04:13.46 | calin | can i /msg it and do the same stuff? |
| 04:13.53 | zack | yes! |
| 04:13.54 | Growly | just wondering how many entries for it someone entered |
| 04:13.58 | Guerin | yes, but that'll make you even more of a loser |
| 04:13.59 | MobyTurbo | calin: yes |
| 04:14.06 | calin | woo |
| 04:14.09 | Growly | I'm cool with that. |
| 04:14.28 | zack | Guerin: hey man, everyone needs a friend. |
| 04:14.48 | Guerin | zack: every kiddie needs one too, it seems. |
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| 04:15.08 | Growly | Too far man, too far. |
| 04:16.50 | zack | Guerin: i'm glad i didn't get that one. ;P |
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| 04:19.40 | DAC1138 | quick question. is there a way i can forcibly install an rpm (i just need to install this one rpm file) |
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| 04:19.53 | DAC1138 | without using alien and apt and all that crap. just how can i do it? |
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| 04:19.59 | vulture | DAC1138: use alien :) |
| 04:20.02 | dvs | DAC1138 nope |
| 04:20.03 | Atropine | can i start gdm from an ssh -X ? |
| 04:20.07 | DAC1138 | vulture, i just said without using alien |
| 04:20.11 | DAC1138 | can i do it or not? |
| 04:20.26 | DAC1138 | dang, its just this one file. shoot, alright, thanks |
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| 04:20.49 | TheTom | anyone know how i can find out how big a file on a webserver is, before d/l it? |
| 04:20.52 | vulture | DAC1138: *shrugs* I was going to point out the "rpm" package, but if he can't use apt-cache search that's not my problem |
| 04:21.16 | Zetabyte | there's always the (ugly) possibility of manually unpacking it too |
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| 04:21.35 | Zetabyte | wonder if it was a binary or a src rpm. |
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| 04:22.24 | ireverentReveren | what is the replacment for ntpd since ntpd does not appear in the apt repositories i use? is there a replacement? or do i need more repositories? |
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| 04:23.02 | netsplit | ntp-server? |
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| 04:23.34 | Zetabyte | wasn't one of hte packages called "ntpupdate"? |
| 04:23.36 | Newport | i did a "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8-1" and the src is in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 where it should be but if i try to run make-kpkg from that dir it tells me that i am not in the kernel source dir |
| 04:23.44 | bpence | Anyone know how to get a synaptics touchpad to work when it already worked on the initial install, then after first reboot disappears? |
| 04:23.55 | WiFiTux | ireverentReveren, well ntpdate should be there |
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| 04:24.17 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 04:24.47 | Zetabyte | Newport - you should have a symbolic link - "ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-x-x-x /usr/src/linux" |
| 04:25.07 | Guerin | apt-cache search ntp |
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| 04:26.38 | p8m | How can I map a keyboard key as a mouse button? |
| 04:26.41 | netcat | TheTom: You can start to download it with wget and wget shows the filesize as it begins downloading. If it is too big, just <ctrl>C out of it... |
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| 04:27.09 | Newport | Zetabyte, did that.. still it is complaining |
| 04:27.12 | TheTom | netcat: yeah :) just wondering if there was another way |
| 04:27.23 | Zetabyte | hmm... what is the exact message? |
| 04:27.33 | Newport | hang ill paste to site |
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| 04:28.29 | Newport | Zetabyte, http://pastebin.com/233133 |
| 04:28.45 | paper | Has anyone come across this problem with Eterm Eterm: error while loading shared libraries: libutempter.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:29.25 | cat | not me, |
| 04:29.31 | calin | What's anyones preferred window manager in here? |
| 04:29.33 | paper | hrmmm |
| 04:29.40 | paper | e17 cvs |
| 04:29.42 | paper | =D |
| 04:29.45 | Thaiger | calin: fluxbox |
| 04:29.50 | cat | calin: fluxbox, is nice |
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| 04:29.59 | calin | aight |
| 04:30.00 | Xemacs | openbox |
| 04:30.02 | calin | thanks |
| 04:30.04 | calin | oh |
| 04:30.05 | calin | and |
| 04:30.10 | calin | i'f i'm using blackbox |
| 04:30.14 | Guerin | calin: nopollwm |
| 04:30.16 | cat | is almost the same as flux |
| 04:30.21 | calin | and install flux |
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| 04:30.26 | calin | will it overwrite |
| 04:30.31 | calin | or install beside? |
| 04:30.32 | cat | nope |
| 04:30.42 | cat | they used different configurations, and directories |
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| 04:30.46 | calin | awesome |
| 04:30.49 | Guerin | !tell calin about fundamentals |
| 04:30.54 | Zetabyte | Newport: dpkg -l | grep kernel-package |
| 04:30.57 | Guerin | calin: you need to destupidise |
| 04:31.16 | ariston | does anyone know a source where i can get php4 (4.3.10) packages for woody? dotdeb.org is down |
| 04:31.19 | netsplit | destupidise? |
| 04:31.22 | Newport | Zetabyte, ii kernel-package 8.119 |
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| 04:31.40 | Guerin | ariston: I suggest waiting for it to come back up. |
| 04:31.53 | ariston | Guerin iee! ;) |
| 04:31.56 | Growly | route |
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| 04:32.03 | cat | ;X |
| 04:32.23 | Guerin | ariston: yeah, it does suck, but it's brobably better than installing some b0rken shite on your box |
| 04:32.34 | Zetabyte | Newport : on the offhand chance.... well... this really shouldn't be the problem, but it's generally a bad idea to use the same "append-to-version" as the vanilla kernels use. Try "make-kpkg clean" and repeat the above command with a different append-to-version. |
| 04:32.43 | ariston | 'n speaking of which.. does anyone know why woody didn't get 4.3.10 in a security update? |
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| 04:33.03 | maher | ariston: fixes are backported |
| 04:33.24 | Zetabyte | Newport : also I would do the "make oldconfig" and "make config" before that command, as separate steps |
| 04:33.26 | ariston | maher i can't find a 4.3.10 source.. thats the problem |
| 04:33.36 | Newport | Zetabyte, even make-kpkg clean gives me that error :) |
| 04:33.40 | ariston | err, can't find backport |
| 04:33.42 | Guerin | !php security |
| 04:33.47 | Guerin | !php4 security |
| 04:33.47 | dpkg | i heard php4 security is Yes, another hole has been found in php4. Versions prior to 4.3.10 are vulnerable. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/12/msg00069.html and associated discussion. |
| 04:33.47 | Zetabyte | Newport: really? hmm... |
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| 04:34.06 | ariston | Guerin thanks, i'll check it out |
| 04:34.17 | Zetabyte | Newport : have you tried it from the /usr/src/kernel-source-x.x.x/ directory instead of /usr/src/linux, even though they are technically the same dir? |
| 04:34.55 | Newport | yup... same crap :) |
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| 04:37.00 | Zetabyte | Newport : I'm pretty stumped at this point. if it was me, "cp .configure ~/temp.configure; rm -rf /usr/src/kernel-source-x.x.x; apt-get update; apt-get install/upgrade kernel-source-x.x.x; tar -xjf ...etc etc... ; cp .config /usr/src/linux/; make-kpkg ...etc etc" |
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| 04:38.36 | Newport | Zetabyte, all this to get my ati radeon card working |
| 04:38.44 | Newport | *sigh* :) |
| 04:39.11 | Zetabyte | hehe, i have a really nice ATI card but last time i tried it, the drivers were so immature i threw it back in my windoze box. |
| 04:39.35 | Zetabyte | the nVidia ones aren't exactly "easy" or anything, they can be quite confusing, but once you do it once you pretty much know how to make them work. |
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| 04:40.17 | Newport | mine is older radeon 7200 and ati.com has nice rpm packages that are useless! even if you use alien to convert them :) |
| 04:40.27 | Zetabyte | aww =/ |
| 04:40.53 | drac | Newport: useless how? i'm using aliened rpm packaged drivers at the moment. |
| 04:41.12 | drac | works great. |
| 04:41.34 | Zetabyte | drac: alien is still in development. it doesn't work on all RPMs |
| 04:41.52 | drac | Zetabyte: It doesn't work on all, sure, but it works on all ATI.com drivers .rpm's. |
| 04:41.52 | Zetabyte | when it works, you say "hurrah!" and when it doesn't you say "aww. shame." |
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| 04:42.10 | Zetabyte | oh, i wasn't aware it had been tested on them all... |
| 04:42.14 | Thaiger | OK lately my X session closes out a lot seemingly at random and kicks me back to the GDM login screen, after that happens I can't switch to a VC I just get a green stripe across the login screen, can't find anything in the logs |
| 04:42.28 | Newport | drac for an ati card? |
| 04:42.40 | Newport | hrm |
| 04:42.42 | drac | Newport: yeah, and there is also .deb packages of the same driver. |
| 04:42.48 | drac | Newport: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 04:43.17 | drac | But X.Org drivers are only in .rpm, so i've aliened them cause I use X.Org 6.8.1. |
| 04:43.43 | Newport | drac what mods did you make to your xf...-4 file? |
| 04:44.04 | Zetabyte | I now know entirely too much, far more about RPMs than I ever wanted to.... if ONLY dpkg was out a few months earlier, everyone might have taken to it instead =( |
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| 04:44.10 | drac | Newport: Actually i've made my config with fglrxconfig, and edited it after that manually. |
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| 04:44.49 | drac | Newport: Edited it manually, meaning keyboards/mouses and graphics unrelated stuff. fglrxconfig makes pretty good job. |
| 04:44.50 | Newport | yeah i tryed that tool but no luck... x is dead after it wacks through the file |
| 04:44.54 | maher | Zetabyte: apt/dpkg predate rpms afaik - redhat just had nihism |
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| 04:45.11 | mlalkaka | hi |
| 04:45.29 | Newport | hah mlalkaka u greek? |
| 04:45.31 | Zetabyte | The (probably biased) RPM book my work has puts RPMs approximatly 6 months ahead of dpkg. |
| 04:45.44 | maher | Zetabyte: anyway the problem is no policy for rpms - which would also be the problem for randomly made debs |
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| 04:46.02 | Zetabyte | that is part of it, but also, good god RPMs suck to build. |
| 04:46.07 | drac | Newport: Well, hard to say anything, cause you are not telling me results of xfree's log. |
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| 04:46.19 | drac | WWs and EEs. |
| 04:46.25 | Zetabyte | i spent the last MONTH building RPMs for my work - Purdue University's Rosen Center for Advanced Computing. |
| 04:46.38 | Newport | drac, ill go through it now... you gonna be for a few? |
| 04:46.49 | zignig | Zetabyte: it's called 'stable' for a reason, try testing or sid if you want up to date ( read unstable ) packages. |
| 04:46.49 | mlalkaka | Newport, no why? |
| 04:47.11 | drac | Newport: Yeah. And there is also channel #ati i'm on. And other people with much larger knowledge. |
| 04:47.13 | mlalkaka | Newport, i'm canadian with indian/persian heritage |
| 04:47.16 | Zetabyte | especially problematic packages like ATLAS, SciPy, with insane build processes |
| 04:47.27 | Zetabyte | zignig : when did i say anything about debian stable? |
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| 04:48.03 | maher | Zetabyte: can't alien make rpms out of debs |
| 04:48.06 | Newport | mlalkaka, your nick is close to a funny greek word.. thats all |
| 04:48.20 | Newport | drac, ok cool let me see the errors i get |
| 04:48.34 | Zetabyte | maher: sometimes. I had no choice but to build them for work, because they wanted some special settings |
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| 04:48.51 | mlalkaka | Newport, oh |
| 04:48.52 | Zetabyte | maher: ATLAS had to be specially built on the machine type it would be run it, it's an auto-tuning library |
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| 04:49.06 | Zetabyte | maher: some of the others needed to be installed with special options or in certain places. |
| 04:49.41 | maher | Zetabyte: ok - also you may be right about rpms beating debs by a few months, but apt was out for ages before anything else had anything close |
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| 04:50.21 | Growly | bloody kernel panics, why didn't someone program it to keep its cool? |
| 04:50.25 | Growly | maybe i should. |
| 04:51.20 | knewbie_ | hi all |
| 04:51.34 | mlalkaka | I'm trying to run a program (that i got from a website, non-deb package) and i'm getting the following error: "vncviewer: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". i used apt-file search to find which package contained that file, but i received no results. where can i get that file? or can i make a symlink to another file in that name? |
| 04:51.56 | Newport | drac, ok all set ready to restart x |
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| 04:52.05 | Newport | brb :) |
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| 04:52.13 | Zetabyte | if i could change 2 things in the world, omniscient-style, the two things i would change is, I would irradicate war, enforcing world peace, and i would irradicate RPMs, making all distros use the debian apt/dpkg system or ports of it. not nessesarily in that order. |
| 04:52.14 | knewbie_ | anyone can help me "fine-setting" a dual-head Nvidia system ? |
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| 04:52.51 | mlalkaka | i also looked on google but found info relating to redhat, but not related to debian. |
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| 04:53.23 | Zetabyte | mlalkaka : i suspect that program was compiled with red hat. |
| 04:53.39 | mlalkaka | Zetabyte, so i'll have to compile my own version? |
| 04:53.44 | Growly | I'm fantastic. |
| 04:53.49 | Zetabyte | red hat, which is NOT real linux, has proprietary librarys which differ from GNU/Linux. it would probably have to be compiled with your system's libraries. |
| 04:54.15 | mlalkaka | Zetabyte, why do you say rh is not real linux? |
| 04:54.21 | maher | mlalkaka: do you have libstdc++6 |
| 04:54.27 | Zetabyte | because they use proprietary kernels and libraries. |
| 04:54.29 | mlalkaka | maher, the package? |
| 04:54.34 | mlalkaka | maher, is that the pkg name? |
| 04:54.35 | Zetabyte | which are not compatible with GNU/Linux |
| 04:54.39 | maher | mlalkaka: you may need precisely redhat's version if you are unlucky |
| 04:55.03 | maher | Zetabyte: really? what proprietary sruff does rh use? |
| 04:55.07 | Zetabyte | exactly. if you compile something on Gentoo, or Debian, or Slackware, (if i understand correctly) 99.99% of the time it will work on any other |
| 04:55.11 | Zetabyte | but not red hat.. |
| 04:55.11 | mlalkaka | maher, i already have the newest version of libstdc++6 |
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| 04:55.27 | Zetabyte | they are a commercial company. they have close-sourced code in the rh enterprise |
| 04:55.32 | Growly | Wow, who knew that Fedora meant hat? It all makes sense now... |
| 04:55.36 | Zetabyte | and fedora has differences too |
| 04:55.40 | maher | mlalkaka: do you have libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 |
| 04:55.44 | mlalkaka | Zetabyte, what about fedora core? |
| 04:55.51 | Zetabyte | i am no redhat expert, i simply know from my dealings with it that i hate it bitterly |
| 04:55.59 | Newport | drac, that was fun! this reminds me of waaaaaay back in the day when x was unstable hehe |
| 04:56.04 | nevyn_ | umm.. no they don't |
| 04:56.06 | Newport | let me check the log 4 ya :) |
| 04:56.10 | zignig | Zetabyte: unfortunatly redhat is following the old school unix trick |
| 04:56.12 | mlalkaka | maher, how can i find it quickly? |
| 04:56.26 | maher | mlalkaka: ls /usr/lib/libstd<tab> |
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| 04:56.30 | zaydana | i'm installing debian on a box that used to have windows XP running on it, trying to get the networking to work by the DHCP thingo in the setup... but its not working :S |
| 04:56.32 | zaydana | any ideas? |
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| 04:56.41 | zaydana | using 3r2 |
| 04:56.48 | nvz | knewbie_: what kind of fine-tuning? |
| 04:56.50 | drac | Newport: You checked is your card supported by those drivers, I assume? What kind of errors? Don't paste on channel ;) |
| 04:56.51 | Growly | have you got a network card installed? |
| 04:57.05 | guest | how to install a .deb file locally downloaded to disk? |
| 04:57.08 | zaydana | it is not the default eth0 that is used? |
| 04:57.15 | mlalkaka | maher, the only ones i have are libstdc++.so.5 libstdc++.so.6 |
| 04:57.15 | mlalkaka | libstdc++.so.5.0.7 libstdc++.so.6.0.3 |
| 04:57.21 | nvz | guest: dpkg -i |
| 04:57.36 | Growly | Im not sure if that comes up even if you dont have a card installed :s |
| 04:57.41 | Zetabyte | At my work, we have a few thousand debian nodes in various clusters, and we just bought a shit ton of dell 1750's, and (much to our displeasure) the higher up's decided to employ redhat enterprise 3 on these machines. we tried to talk them out of it, but they wanted "commercial support", blah blah. |
| 04:57.46 | zaydana | o i got a card int he pc :P |
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| 04:57.59 | maher | mlalkaka: try making a symlink with the name the program wants to the lib with the closest name |
| 04:58.00 | Zetabyte | it's been nothing but misery since, rebuilding all our software for rhe3 |
| 04:58.05 | Growly | i wanna work with clusters :s |
| 04:58.08 | FlimFlamMan | think we'll ever see ldap auth as the default in debian? |
| 04:58.10 | zaydana | Growly - i have a realtek chip, i know there is a link and stuff cos of the lights on the switch. It works fine in XP |
| 04:58.14 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: no |
| 04:58.18 | mlalkaka | maher, in the same directory right? |
| 04:58.20 | nvz | knewbie_: do _NOT_ /msg me |
| 04:58.23 | maher | mlalkaka: tes |
| 04:58.24 | Newport | drac, http://pastebin.com/233144 |
| 04:58.26 | maher | mlalkaka: yes |
| 04:58.26 | Growly | What kinda DHCP server do you have? |
| 04:58.28 | knewbie_ | sorry |
| 04:58.30 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: it's a huge pain in the ass and no gain for 99.99999999% of users |
| 04:58.37 | zaydana | the standard one from windows XP |
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| 04:58.52 | Growly | is it running on another machine? |
| 04:58.55 | maher | Zetabyte: people at my uni are keen to buy rhe as well - i think they have to much money... |
| 04:58.55 | FlimFlamMan | server-side? |
| 04:58.56 | zaydana | yeah |
| 04:59.05 | Zetabyte | maher: indeed |
| 04:59.10 | Growly | im not sure if that can serve non windows clients :s |
| 04:59.18 | zaydana | wait, i may need to configure the dhcp server on the machine |
| 04:59.31 | zaydana | o ok... perhaps i should plug the modem into the switch isntead of the computr... |
| 04:59.44 | Growly | modem?? |
| 04:59.45 | drac | Newport: So, you have the fglrx module loaded? modinfo fglrx (as root) |
| 04:59.47 | Newport | drac, and errrr 1. it is an apg card... log says pci... other is its a radeon 7200. and in the log it lists all the cards supported by the driver and thats not in it... weird cause ive read all over that this is the driver for that card |
| 05:00.09 | zaydana | ADSL modem - i can either plug it straight into this PC (my gateway) via usb or into the switch via ethernet |
| 05:00.20 | Newport | drac, nope not loaded |
| 05:00.26 | zaydana | i have gotten ubuntu's networking working on this computer before when i plugged the modem in via ethernet |
| 05:00.36 | Growly | oooooooh - doesn't the modem have an inbuilt dhcp server? |
| 05:00.37 | drac | Newport: Ah, so you didn't check the support-status first. Heh. And not even module compiled and loaded? You are doing it totally wrong ;-) |
| 05:00.44 | zaydana | yeah it does. |
| 05:00.50 | Growly | tried using it? |
| 05:01.00 | Newport | heh i thinking im tired |
| 05:01.00 | zaydana | nup, i'll try |
| 05:01.06 | Growly | cool |
| 05:01.07 | Newport | where do i start? |
| 05:01.07 | zaydana | maybe i shuld try manually to configure the network first... |
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| 05:01.17 | Growly | that might be better |
| 05:01.19 | mlalkaka | maher, it didnt work. thanks for the idea though |
| 05:01.21 | zaydana | it would be easier than moving my switch and modem (the pc's are in dif rooms) |
| 05:01.27 | drac | Newport: Check out Open Source ATi drivers at http://dri.sourceforge.net, check if your card is supported by them. |
| 05:01.40 | zaydana | if i know the IP of this computer and the subnet mask, it shouldn't be that hard to connect them up should it? |
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| 05:02.33 | Newport | drac, heh there support card page is down |
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| 05:02.54 | Growly | i love you guys |
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| 05:03.43 | drac | Newport: Really? http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon |
| 05:04.40 | Newport | R100 |
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| 05:04.57 | Newport | there supported and u got in through a back door :) |
| 05:05.09 | drac | Newport: Yep, so you got support by those DRI drivers. And I got in from frontpage. |
| 05:05.13 | drac | ;) |
| 05:05.52 | drac | Newport: Also, when you browse that dri.sourceforge.net page, there is pretty crystal clear installion directions. |
| 05:05.57 | drac | No need to say more ;) |
| 05:06.15 | Newport | damn status page link of the beginers guide page hehe |
| 05:06.49 | Newport | or ALL links off that beginers guide! |
| 05:06.50 | Newport | hehehe |
| 05:07.04 | Avantopia | anyone here know the best method to copy a dvd with debian sarge? |
| 05:07.17 | Avantopia | I can't create an iso file of a dvd. |
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| 05:08.04 | Atropine | Avantopia: i been told k3b is nice |
| 05:08.21 | Atropine | now it's all depending what you use and if you have a GUI |
| 05:08.49 | Avantopia | Atropine, I hear... but I just want to know what FILE format is correct... is ISO okay? or do I need to do a dump with dd? |
| 05:09.25 | Atropine | no idea |
| 05:09.38 | drac | Newport: http://www.nixnuts.net/files/binary/ |
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| 05:09.41 | Atropine | i don't even have enough money to buy a cd reader |
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| 05:10.42 | drac | Newport: And README at http://www.nixnuts.net/files/README.txt |
| 05:10.48 | drac | Newport: All you need is in those 2 links. |
| 05:10.59 | stacey_ | how do i get my login photo to show up? |
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| 05:11.20 | Newport | yeah i have both but using latest from sourceforge L( |
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| 05:12.15 | dli | ntfs resizer installation |
| 05:12.30 | Growly | um, what does this mean? (im noob) depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
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| 05:13.24 | maher | Growly: you forgot to install the newer version of module-init-tools |
| 05:13.39 | Newport | drac, failed to compile kern module., check this error plz http://pastebin.com/233149 |
| 05:14.13 | Newport | CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG needs to be enabled in the kernel |
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| 05:15.06 | chado | how can i search for the exact name of a package i want to install useing apt-get? |
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| 05:15.22 | dli | someone give me a command line to download sarge .iso (the 1st one), with jigdo ? |
| 05:15.36 | Newport | wait your readme is diff from the one im reading... let me fire that one up |
| 05:15.40 | maher | chado: apt-cache search foo |
| 05:16.55 | michal_ | will iptables -F do that? |
| 05:17.25 | michal_ | how do you flush ALL iptables rules? |
| 05:17.38 | chado | whats the name of the Xorg pkg? |
| 05:17.39 | michal_ | sorry.. asked the question back to front :P |
| 05:18.07 | Flimzy | michal_: try it and see || man iptables |
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| 05:18.44 | Zetabyte | it's so weird, my SATA card is detected fine by the 2.6.8 vanilla kernel, but the custom 2.6.10 doesn't see it right - even though i'm loading the same driver. I wonder if sata_sil is broken in the 2.6.10 kernel or something... |
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| 05:21.17 | maher | Zetabyte: quite possibly |
| 05:21.32 | maher | Zetabyte: 2.6.10 doesn't see my usb discs |
| 05:21.50 | dli | why jigdo still doesn't do newbie style :( |
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| 05:22.04 | Guerin | chado: which xorg package? |
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| 05:22.44 | Zetabyte | Well, I like to think none of my stuff is all that important and I try to run the newest stuff, but apparently 2.6.10 is still a bit too bleeding-edge for me. let's see if 2.6.9 doesn't see it... |
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| 05:23.07 | Flimzy | Zetabyte: What is wrong with 2.6.8? |
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| 05:24.20 | zaydana | in the 3r2 installation, should the eth0 that is there be automatically configured to work with my network card (it uses a realtek chip) or will i need to install a module for the realtek chip first, and then use eth1 ? |
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| 05:25.11 | Zetabyte | I am not intimatly familliar with the kernel changelogs, but I am under the impression that 2.6 kernel is always being improved, and i was wanting to take advantage of the newest code. |
| 05:25.12 | drac | Newport: I don't exactly know what this option is in kernel, but I assume you need to compile your own kernel. And before compiling it, make sure you have CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y in .config of it. |
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| 05:25.24 | Avantopia | how can I have use 'dd' verbosely? |
| 05:25.31 | Flimzy | zaydana: 1) What is 3r2? 2) If you don't have the driver loaded, you can't use your NIC, obviously, so if eth0 is there, you have *some* driver loaded |
| 05:25.32 | Zetabyte | you know, the newest code that's not broken |
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| 05:25.49 | Flimzy | Zetabyte: Of course it's always being "improved". But if it ain't broke, don't fix it. |
| 05:25.56 | zaydana | erm... 3.0r2 (woody) |
| 05:25.58 | maher | Avantopia: cat /dev/dvd > foo.iso should work |
| 05:26.00 | Flimzy | Zetabyte: Most changes don't effect most people. |
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| 05:26.29 | Avantopia | maher, I just want an easy way to know the progress of dd while it is in use. |
| 05:26.31 | tobehz | Has anybody installed iTunes w/ Wine? |
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| 05:26.36 | zaydana | Flimzy - another question, will the network be up straight away after configuration, or should i wait until the reboot? |
| 05:26.47 | maher | Avantopia: ls -l foo.iso |
| 05:26.48 | dondelelcaro | Avantopia: send it a USR1 |
| 05:26.55 | larrikin | $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$! |
| 05:26.57 | larrikin | $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid |
| 05:26.58 | dondelelcaro | Avantopia: man dd; in other words. |
| 05:27.06 | Flimzy | zaydana: you don't have to reboot to use your network |
| 05:27.12 | Avantopia | heh |
| 05:27.15 | Flimzy | zaydana: whether or not it will be up will depend on whether it's properly configured, tho |
| 05:27.15 | zaydana | k... must not be workin then :/ |
| 05:27.45 | zaydana | hmm, i tried at first to use the DHCP configuration with an XP machine with ICS installed as the gateway, and that didn't work |
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| 05:28.08 | zaydana | then i tried manually enterring in the info that i know was used on that computer before (it used to be running XP), and that didn't work either |
| 05:28.10 | Flimzy | zaydana: that should work fine |
| 05:28.17 | zaydana | :S doh. |
| 05:28.25 | Flimzy | zaydana: assuming you have everything set up right |
| 05:28.55 | Avantopia | larrikin, I don't understand how to use this provided example use of dd. |
| 05:29.04 | zaydana | well, i'm pretty sure the hardware is working cos the switch's link light is on |
| 05:29.16 | Avantopia | larrikin, what is the meaning of ' pid=$! ' ? |
| 05:29.28 | chado | what pkg is startx included in? |
| 05:29.32 | Avantopia | pid is the program id? |
| 05:29.42 | chado | i just have wmaker, and Xserv installed, but i dont see a startx |
| 05:29.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell chado about search |
| 05:30.02 | Avantopia | larrikin, will try |
| 05:30.06 | larrikin | Avantopia: set pid to the PID of the last process .. |
| 05:30.14 | maher | chado: x-window-system |
| 05:30.18 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 05:30.53 | Xemacs | !test |
| 05:30.53 | dpkg | No, xemacs, you're not online any more. |
| 05:30.54 | zaydana | is there a command that would give me some info about eth0 ... ? |
| 05:31.02 | maher | Avantopia: you can tell how far dd has got by looking at the size of the fiel it is writing to |
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| 05:31.33 | Newport | when i do this.. "make-kpkg --append-to-version 3.1 modules_image" i get this error.... http://pastebin.com/233152 |
| 05:31.36 | maher | zaydana: ifconfig |
| 05:31.37 | Avantopia | maher, then I have to do ls -l foo.iso |
| 05:31.50 | maher | Avantopia: where foo.iso is the name of the output file |
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| 05:32.13 | Mspotlight | #kldp |
| 05:32.14 | Avantopia | larrikin, how is that command supposed to work ? It seems like a shell script. |
| 05:32.24 | Xemacs | my msg dpkg is not working ? |
| 05:32.28 | larrikin | Avantopia: man bash, (assuming less is your pager) /\! |
| 05:32.59 | maher | Avantopia: why don't you just use k3b |
| 05:33.47 | Avantopia | maher, k3b isn't l33t 3nough. |
| 05:33.47 | zaydana | also, what is the file that network settings are written to? ... |
| 05:33.51 | zaydana | i should know that :/ |
| 05:33.52 | larrikin | Avantopia: ! Expands to the process ID of the most recently executed background (asynchronous) command. |
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| 05:34.26 | maher | Avantopia: is it to un-l33t to actually copy the dvd without spending hours on irc? |
| 05:34.47 | maher | zaydana: /etc/netowrking/interfaces |
| 05:34.51 | zaydana | thanks. |
| 05:35.02 | maher | zaydana: what does ifconfig say- have you managed to give eth0 an ip |
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| 05:36.05 | Avantopia | maher, I am just messing, I actually came in here to learn how others use dd in certain situations. That is about it, and make sure a dump of a dvd is a good way to copy a dvd. |
| 05:37.21 | maher | Avantopia: dd is a very low level tool - best avoided so you don't accidently write over /dev/hda or something - dd and cat will both make isos - cat is better as you don't need to know how big the dvd is and requires easier to remember options |
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| 05:39.44 | Avantopia | maher, thx for the input. |
| 05:40.09 | bloom | maher: dd doesn't require you to know how big the dvd is to make an iso |
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| 05:40.20 | Newport | wait your readme is diff from the one im reading... let me fire that one up |
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| 05:40.28 | Newport | when i do this.. "make-kpkg --append-to-version 3.1 modules_image" i get this error.... http://pastebin.com/233152 |
| 05:40.44 | maher | bloom: ok - point 2 stands |
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| 05:41.21 | Growly | is wireless tools the same as wireless extensions? |
| 05:41.50 | loke_ | Growly no |
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| 05:45.36 | loke_ | what is sudos password? |
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| 05:45.55 | lawnchair | heh |
| 05:46.05 | loke_ | lawnchair sudo askes for a passwor |
| 05:46.06 | loke_ | d |
| 05:46.11 | loke_ | lawnchair by default |
| 05:46.13 | loke_ | now |
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| 05:46.22 | loke_ | it you install via apt |
| 05:46.25 | Growly | how do i check my wireless extensions version? |
| 05:46.29 | drac | Newport: I told you, you need to compile your own kernel, and enable that option. And then try again. |
| 05:46.43 | loke_ | growly your wireless extions dont have a version |
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| 05:47.03 | loke_ | growly wireless extensions for a wifi card |
| 05:47.11 | loke_ | growly wireless extensions are* for a wifi card |
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| 05:47.27 | loke_ | growly wireless pcmcia card has wireless extensions |
| 05:47.48 | Newport | drac, oh sorry man.. was a way for a bit and lost the buffer |
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| 05:50.31 | drac | Newport: It's a bit tricky, if you haven't compiled your own kernel ever, but it's the only way.. Just make sure you have CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG=y in the new configuration of your kernel before actually compiling it. |
| 05:50.37 | tobehz | is there a good guide to getting sound to work under debian? (on unstable, if possible) |
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| 05:50.46 | drac | Newport: But it's your only way to get DRI. ;) |
| 05:50.51 | Guerin | loke_: you're too stupid to use sudo |
| 05:50.57 | Guerin | loke_: or have root |
| 05:51.10 | loke_ | Guerin sorry, i rebooted |
| 05:51.16 | Newport | hehe ive done it before |
| 05:51.16 | loke_ | Guerin whats up? |
| 05:51.40 | Newport | not on deb tho... is it same crap.. 1. make config 2. make 3. make install ? |
| 05:51.41 | Growly | i have a wifi card!! |
| 05:51.49 | Growly | i'm trying to get madwifi to install, but it wont work! |
| 05:52.07 | drac | Newport: /msg dpkg kp /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 05:52.07 | loke_ | growly follow the directions |
| 05:52.34 | drac | Newport: "The Debian Way." |
| 05:52.34 | Guerin | loke_: read man sudo; man sudoers |
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| 05:52.38 | Growly | i did, and got depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented after make install |
| 05:52.58 | Newport | then i should dump out of the make config im in? |
| 05:53.01 | Newport | :) |
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| 05:53.35 | Growly | now how do i know which version of wireless extensions i have? |
| 05:53.54 | Growly | i enabled in it in my kernel before i compiled |
| 05:53.58 | drac | Newport: Just make sure, in the kernel source directory, you have there .config after you have configured it, with editor, that the CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG is really set as 'y' before going any further.. |
| 05:54.01 | tobehz | firefox |
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| 05:54.35 | Growly | *cough* |
| 05:54.51 | Newport | kp mantra looks promissing im gonna try that bad boy |
| 05:55.04 | jmstacey | what should html files be chowned in /var/www/html ? Is there a certain group for root such as wheel on freebsd? |
| 05:55.24 | dondelelcaro | jmstacey: just root.root |
| 05:55.30 | drac | Newport: Good luck ;) I'm going to bed, night.. |
| 05:55.36 | jmstacey | k |
| 05:55.37 | dondelelcaro | jmstacey: although, it's quite ok to have the author of the files own them as well. |
| 05:55.37 | Newport | 1 ast thing |
| 05:55.57 | Newport | i dont actully have to make config if i follow the help from dpkg? |
| 05:56.50 | cat | how can i resize my ext3 parition? |
| 05:59.11 | docta_v | with parted |
| 05:59.12 | loke_ | Growly listen you dont have a version of wireless extensions |
| 05:59.24 | loke_ | Growly you have a version of wireless-tools |
| 05:59.37 | loke_ | Growly bro, madwifi sucks |
| 06:00.07 | loke_ | Growly go get a lucent orinoco gold card, by agere, 802.11b, it will work out of the box with linux. |
| 06:00.15 | Growly | but i need wireless extenstions, and it was compiled into my kernel :s |
| 06:00.32 | Growly | i've already got a replacement coming, but it's in a few weeks and i need this now! |
| 06:00.32 | loke_ | Growly listen. |
| 06:00.42 | Growly | :'( |
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| 06:00.48 | loke_ | Growly man, madwifi is shit |
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| 06:01.01 | Growly | i know - but for the moment i have no choice |
| 06:01.02 | loke_ | Growly i never got it working |
| 06:01.06 | Growly | oh. |
| 06:01.16 | loke_ | Growly ive been using linux for 2 years |
| 06:01.27 | Growly | oh i see |
| 06:01.39 | loke_ | Growly i wasted tons of time on it |
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| 06:01.50 | loke_ | Growly maybe try #wireless |
| 06:01.55 | npx | mmm, cable |
| 06:01.58 | Growly | cheers bro |
| 06:02.04 | npx | =D |
| 06:02.07 | loke_ | Growly or just follow the docs, |
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| 06:02.26 | npx | jesus multiple 200kb/s downloads own me, so hard |
| 06:02.34 | npx | it's hard to quantify |
| 06:02.40 | manju | where does mozilla put it's IDL files in debian ? |
| 06:02.46 | Growly | cheers loke man |
| 06:02.57 | loke_ | Growly i wish it worked |
| 06:03.05 | loke_ | Growly i know other people have gotten it to work |
| 06:03.32 | loke_ | Growly you can use linuxant.com |
| 06:03.38 | Growly | !join wireless |
| 06:03.38 | loke_ | Growly if you need a quick fix |
| 06:03.40 | Growly | bloody irc |
| 06:03.47 | Growly | !join #wireless |
| 06:03.56 | gravity | Growly: /join |
| 06:03.57 | loke_ | Growly lol try /j #wireless |
| 06:04.02 | Growly | ah |
| 06:04.04 | loke_ | Growly hey dude |
| 06:04.05 | Growly | cheers again |
| 06:04.16 | loke_ | Growly look at www.linuxant.com |
| 06:04.22 | loke_ | Growly or ndiswrappers |
| 06:04.36 | Zetabyte | Growly, don't pay for www.linuxant.com when ndiswrappers is free |
| 06:04.50 | loke_ | Zetabyte yeah, you get a month free |
| 06:04.55 | loke_ | or you used to |
| 06:05.07 | Zetabyte | Growly, i'm just jumping in to the middle of this, haven't been following along, but what chipset are we talking here? |
| 06:05.10 | loke_ | give him a month to learn ndiswrappers or madwifi |
| 06:05.16 | Growly | atheros |
| 06:05.29 | Growly | bloody dlink, they warned me that this would be impossible |
| 06:05.38 | Zetabyte | I'm pretty sure that one is supported under ndis |
| 06:05.43 | loke_ | Growly i spend like a month and a half |
| 06:05.46 | Zetabyte | ndiswrappers is a nasty hack, but it works. |
| 06:05.59 | loke_ | Growly if you want a quick fix, get linuxant.com |
| 06:06.08 | loke_ | Growly you will have it up in 20 minutes |
| 06:06.19 | Growly | does it cost money? |
| 06:06.20 | loke_ | Growly but after a month you gotta pay |
| 06:06.29 | Growly | ooooh |
| 06:06.30 | loke_ | Growly no, the first month is free |
| 06:06.33 | Zetabyte | i have a linksys broadcom chipset =/ i don't get my signal strength, or anything, and it doesn't support a lot of extended options, but it makes my card work, including encryption |
| 06:06.34 | Growly | ooooh |
| 06:06.45 | loke_ | Growly gives you a month to learn madwifi or ndiswappers |
| 06:06.48 | Zetabyte | if your gonna try anything, try the free one first, imgo |
| 06:06.52 | Zetabyte | imho* |
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| 06:07.05 | loke_ | Zetabyte i agree with free shit |
| 06:07.10 | Growly | in a week it'll be payday and i'll buy a nice _SUPPORTED_ 200mw card |
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| 06:07.16 | loke_ | Zetabyte i mean the whole conecpt of linux is free |
| 06:07.36 | dli | cdrecord hangs, kill -9 ,failed :( how to quit |
| 06:07.46 | manju | hey can anyone tell me where the IDL files are put by the mozilla-devel package ? |
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| 06:08.10 | Zetabyte | here's what i did to make ndiswrappers work - went to sourceforge, went to the ndiswrapper project, downloaded the tarball. unzipped, compiled with my kernel source. got my card's windoze drivers, typed ndiswrapper -i <ndis file>; and "modprobe ndiswrapper", and it just started working. |
| 06:08.17 | Zetabyte | it was miraculous. |
| 06:08.24 | FlimFlamMan | are there any distros that support ldap authentication by default out of the box? |
| 06:08.44 | loke_ | Zetabyte i never tried ndis |
| 06:08.57 | loke_ | Zetabyte i gave up on madwifi and got a 'b' card |
| 06:08.57 | Zetabyte | the only hard part is getting hte source code, if you didn't compile your own kernel |
| 06:09.01 | roam | hey all, can anyone help me. I just installed debian sarge on a new IBM x336. installed well, when i went to boot it, it seemed to boot perfectly, picked up all the devices, had no problem, then it got to what seemed like the end of the bootup process and the monitor just switched off. box is still running, but the monitor will not come back. |
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| 06:09.05 | roam | anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:09.08 | Zetabyte | but it's not too bad |
| 06:09.08 | roam | on whats happening. |
| 06:09.20 | loke_ | Zetabyte well man, compiling a kernel for a noob is a daunting task |
| 06:09.20 | Growly | my only problem with madwifi is that it DOESNT WORK |
| 06:09.32 | Newport | after i make-kpkg, what do i need to do to add my newly built kernel to grub? |
| 06:09.35 | loke_ | Growly i had the same problem, fucking madwifi |
| 06:09.36 | Growly | i just compiled and installed 2.6.10 with wireless extensions, but it still dont work |
| 06:09.43 | Growly | hmm. |
| 06:09.45 | Zetabyte | roam: did you install x? might x-windows be running in a mode not supported by your vid card/monitor? |
| 06:09.47 | loke_ | Growly fuck madwifi |
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| 06:09.54 | Growly | done |
| 06:09.59 | Growly | it's fucked |
| 06:10.07 | loke_ | Growly i bet somehow it could work, but they better howto's and doc's |
| 06:10.16 | loke_ | need* |
| 06:10.17 | Overand | What determines what modules load at startup besides /etc/modules and /etc/modules-2.* |
| 06:10.22 | roam | Zetabyte: its the first boot after i installed sarge. Im used to woody, i take it sarge has the same post-install config for adding root password etc. |
| 06:10.25 | roam | i take it im in that |
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| 06:10.35 | Zetabyte | oh, i do believe it does...hmm. |
| 06:10.38 | roam | this is before you install packages. |
| 06:10.47 | loke_ | roam : passwd root |
| 06:10.47 | Zetabyte | roam: have you tried to get to a virtual terminal? |
| 06:10.48 | roam | i have no clue why it kills the screen :/ |
| 06:10.59 | roam | yes. tried alt f2 f3 |
| 06:11.03 | roam | cnt alt f2 f3 :( |
| 06:11.17 | Zetabyte | do you have more than 1 monitor or a dual-head vid card or more than one vid card? |
| 06:11.35 | roam | no its just 1 output. its a normal x336 ibm 1ru server. |
| 06:11.35 | Zetabyte | sometimes after the bios lets go and released it to the OS, it chooses a different primary vid card, if more than one head is availbale |
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| 06:11.48 | shaym | hello |
| 06:11.52 | shaym | i need to install php5 |
| 06:11.57 | shaym | i'm under testing |
| 06:11.58 | loke_ | sup Shaym |
| 06:12.00 | roam | it boots the OS fine, it gets past loading the scsi n mounting the ext3 partitions |
| 06:12.00 | Overand | roam: is it using console redirect or anything weird? |
| 06:12.02 | Zetabyte | is it using grub as a boot loader? i don't know much about the x336 architecture or anything =/ |
| 06:12.03 | shaym | what's the best way ? |
| 06:12.07 | roam | no console redirect. |
| 06:12.08 | loke_ | shaym apt-get |
| 06:12.15 | roam | it gets to loading the usb modules |
| 06:12.16 | loke_ | shaym probably |
| 06:12.19 | roam | n then the screen dies. |
| 06:12.24 | shaym | i just have php4 |
| 06:12.27 | roam | sounds almost like an out of sync x is starting. |
| 06:12.29 | roam | but it couldnt be. |
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| 06:12.41 | roam | unless sarge uses an X interface for post-install unlike woody? |
| 06:12.42 | Overand | framebuffer console issues maybe? |
| 06:12.50 | Zetabyte | if it is running grub or some equivalent, try the failsafe kernel? |
| 06:13.04 | roam | its running grub, tried the recovery kernel... same problem |
| 06:13.08 | roam | loads usb modules then bang |
| 06:13.11 | roam | monitor shuts off. |
| 06:13.15 | zayd[a]na | lol can somebody paste me googles ip? ... i somehow managed to cut myself off from the dns server :S |
| 06:13.18 | roam | this is the weirdest thing thats ever happened 2 me heh |
| 06:13.24 | loke_ | !tell roam about reconfigure x |
| 06:13.31 | Zetabyte | would knoppix run on this architecture? |
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| 06:13.33 | roam | cant find anything on it on google@ |
| 06:13.48 | Zetabyte | knoppix is a good way to troubleshoot sometimes. |
| 06:13.56 | roam | loke_: its pre-x |
| 06:13.57 | roam | theres no x. |
| 06:14.03 | roam | this is straight after the install |
| 06:14.05 | loke_ | roam apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect |
| 06:14.10 | roam | u get the post-install screen |
| 06:14.17 | loke_ | roam then: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:14.17 | Growly | why do my can't i ping dynupdate.no-ip.com when i have to ethernet interfaces active? |
| 06:14.20 | roam | to setup ur root password etc. |
| 06:14.22 | roam | before even that |
| 06:14.26 | larrikin | so try ctrl-alt-F1 ? |
| 06:14.26 | roam | so i cant apt-get :( |
| 06:14.31 | roam | because i cannot get a console. |
| 06:14.41 | loke_ | roam? |
| 06:14.41 | Zetabyte | larrikin he tried that too =/ |
| 06:14.48 | loke_ | roam, you have a live cd? |
| 06:15.00 | Zetabyte | i just suggested that, loke_ lol |
| 06:15.09 | larrikin | Zetabyte: I like to jump in after missing 90% of the conversation and offer useless advice .. it's my thing |
| 06:15.11 | loke_ | roam, boot with knoppix and add a passwd to you /etc/shadow file for root |
| 06:15.16 | roam | loke_: i installed sarge via a netinstall cd, livecd, whatever u call it, partitioned the scsi, setup debian as per normal. |
| 06:15.19 | Zetabyte | larrikin i do that too =) |
| 06:15.31 | roam | then bang it asks u 2 reboot as normal |
| 06:15.34 | Zetabyte | roam, have you heard of knoppix? |
| 06:15.37 | roam | then u normally get the post-install screen |
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| 06:15.38 | loke_ | roam my sarge netinstall asked for a root password |
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| 06:16.06 | roam | mine didnt, it was a 2part install like woody. after u install grub, it reboots. |
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| 06:16.11 | roam | then u have post-install |
| 06:16.14 | loke_ | Zetabyte i concure |
| 06:16.17 | roam | but i never got that far. |
| 06:16.19 | Zetabyte | knoppix is a (debian-based, but not debian) live distro on a CD. it basically unzips and runs an entire linux system, x windows, the works, all off a CD wtihout installing anything. |
| 06:16.26 | roam | ive heard of knoppix |
| 06:16.39 | roam | but knoppix wont be able 2 support the 336 i dont think. |
| 06:16.42 | roam | scsi/raid etc |
| 06:16.51 | Zetabyte | ok, i was wondering about that =/ |
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| 06:16.58 | loke_ | Zetabyte im remastering knoppix-std |
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| 06:17.06 | KSM | e ae pessoal |
| 06:17.19 | loke_ | roam there prolly is a knoppix that supports it |
| 06:17.24 | roam | this problem is killing me hey. been using deb for like 6yrs n never had this problem. |
| 06:17.25 | KSM | terminei de instalar o debian "sarge" |
| 06:17.30 | roam | never used a sarge install. |
| 06:17.41 | loke_ | roam i dunno man |
| 06:17.42 | KSM | instalaçăo via netinst |
| 06:17.43 | Zetabyte | at work we made a custom knoppix-like distro called "portagrid" to make instant hard-drive-free cluster nodes. it was pretty sweet running on a dell 1750 |
| 06:17.44 | KSM | via rede |
| 06:17.47 | roam | only using sarge because id have 2 compile a kernel n make a custom boot cd to use woody |
| 06:17.50 | loke_ | roam you got locked out of you own system |
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| 06:17.53 | roam | sarge detects the scsi n all :( |
| 06:17.55 | roam | yer. |
| 06:18.01 | roam | monitor just dies. |
| 06:18.04 | roam | on boot. |
| 06:18.10 | roam | before i can even get to post-install |
| 06:18.12 | loke_ | roam, its an x problem |
| 06:18.15 | loke_ | roam? |
| 06:18.17 | roam | shouldnt have x. |
| 06:18.28 | roam | its a base install, hassent even configured root pass yet. |
| 06:18.32 | roam | not even at post install |
| 06:18.35 | roam | just installed grub. |
| 06:18.37 | roam | n rebooted. |
| 06:18.37 | loke_ | roam try #debian-boot |
| 06:18.37 | Zetabyte | might just be that platform is buggy still or something =/ all accounts i've heard place the testing installer d-i lightyears ahead of the old woody one. |
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| 06:18.43 | roam | might be n idea. |
| 06:18.53 | roam | yer |
| 06:18.56 | roam | sarge installer owns |
| 06:18.56 | roam | :~( |
| 06:18.57 | loke_ | roam more help that inhere |
| 06:19.00 | roam | yer. |
| 06:19.01 | Zetabyte | might try asking #debian-installer or whatever that channel was - i forget exactly. |
| 06:19.13 | loke_ | Zetabyte scroll up |
| 06:19.35 | loke_ | Zetabyte =) |
| 06:19.46 | Zetabyte | lol....i guess....great minds think alike? |
| 06:19.51 | loke_ | lol |
| 06:19.55 | loke_ | Zetabyte i think so. |
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| 06:20.14 | jla | I am trying to use wake on lan with an onboard RTL8139. Setting ethtool -s eth0 wol g and rebooting works great. My stumbling block is trying to get it to be persistant using the modprobe options directive (kernel 2.6.8). I'm not sure if I'm using modprobe.d/modprobe.conf correctly. Will modprobe pick up any file in modprobe.d? I've tried an options.local file in there. |
| 06:20.40 | roam | if i wassent in love with debian so much, id just use gentoo |
| 06:20.47 | roam | but my love for debian runs deep. |
| 06:20.48 | loke_ | fuck gentoo |
| 06:21.06 | roam | sometimes i love it more than my girlfriend. |
| 06:21.08 | roam | :( |
| 06:21.12 | roam | depending on my mood. |
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| 06:21.36 | loke_ | roam its a toss up |
| 06:21.52 | KSM | opa |
| 06:21.57 | loke_ | roam if ive had sex recently then by far debian is the winner |
| 06:22.01 | Zetabyte | a lot of the guys at work swear by gentoo - i wanted to try it some time just so i could make fair comparisons. |
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| 06:22.12 | Zetabyte | i'm told it's great if you like compiling stuff =) |
| 06:22.22 | loke_ | Zetabyte set aside a couple weeks to get it installed* |
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| 06:22.43 | jcoiron | Hi everyone |
| 06:22.57 | loke_ | Zetabyte why waste your life compiling, when we'ver already invented binaries |
| 06:23.00 | Hackel | Does anyone here use the ipmasq package? I'm trying to figure out how to add simple port forwarding, but the documentation is a bit lacking... |
| 06:23.02 | roam | loke_: sounds like me :) |
| 06:23.05 | jla | another wierd thing is that 8139too and 8139cp are both being loaded to eth0. I've even tried doing "options 8139too ethtool -s eth0 wol g" and "options 8139cp ethtool -s eth0 wol g" in my options.local file |
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| 06:23.21 | jla | Hackel old system? |
| 06:23.21 | Zetabyte | Hackel are you using a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? or earlier? |
| 06:23.22 | tobehz | is there a good guide to getting sound to work under debian? (on unstable, if possible) |
| 06:23.33 | loke_ | hahahahaha, we should spam #gentoo -> BINARIES HAVE BEEN INVENTED |
| 06:23.36 | Hackel | jla: no... Zetabyte 2.6 |
| 06:23.45 | tobehz | Hackel: use iptables then |
| 06:23.46 | jla | why not iptables??? |
| 06:23.46 | Zetabyte | Hackel what you want then is Iptables |
| 06:23.50 | Python_ | has anyone installed linux on a ipaq before ? |
| 06:23.59 | Zetabyte | calm down, he might have just not heard of it =) |
| 06:24.02 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 06:24.02 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-bork was modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 06:24.03 | Hackel | Zetabyte/tobehz: ipmasq uses iptables |
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| 06:24.09 | loke_ | Python_ im sure people have |
| 06:24.12 | jla | Hackel iptables.org |
| 06:24.19 | Zetabyte | oh, is it some sort of auto-configure package or something? |
| 06:24.31 | Zetabyte | or do you mean the masquarade target? |
| 06:24.31 | loke_ | !beer every motherfucker in debian |
| 06:24.32 | Python_ | anyone hear |
| 06:24.40 | roam | i remember using gentoo once. |
| 06:24.48 | roam | u need either |
| 06:24.53 | roam | alot of time |
| 06:24.54 | Hackel | Zetabyte: it's a debian package for "securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling" |
| 06:24.57 | roam | or alot of processing power |
| 06:25.01 | roam | to even install it. |
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| 06:25.16 | tobehz | Hackel: direct usage of iptables is easier |
| 06:25.24 | Zetabyte | ahh... I bought a book on firewalling under linux and learnt a lot, and it took a lot of time, but I got a lot more out of it |
| 06:25.33 | tobehz | since there is a ton of documentation on it |
| 06:25.36 | roam | n if u do an emerge deepworld thingo; u better have a weekend spare. |
| 06:25.58 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 06:25.58 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:26.05 | loke_ | fuck gentoo, and fuck source |
| 06:26.19 | roam | :P |
| 06:26.19 | loke_ | apt-get rules, binaries kill gento |
| 06:26.27 | dondelelcaro | loke_: that's nice... there's no need to even discuss gentoo here. |
| 06:26.27 | loke_ | +o |
| 06:26.45 | loke_ | dondelelcaro exactly my point |
| 06:26.47 | tobehz | but the nitty gritty is: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p (tcp|udp) --dport (port to forward) -j DNAT --to-destination ip:port |
| 06:26.50 | roam | im trying |
| 06:26.56 | roam | an expert install of sarge |
| 06:27.01 | roam | might be a setting |
| 06:27.02 | roam | that killed it |
| 06:27.03 | Hackel | tobehz: Yeah, I've used iptables before, was just looking for something quick and simpile. |
| 06:27.03 | roam | :P |
| 06:27.14 | Zetabyte | if it's a quick fix, i simply wasn't aware of it |
| 06:27.14 | Zetabyte | iptables was by no reach of the imagination "easy" - it takes time to learn how to set up a proper firewall |
| 06:27.15 | Zetabyte | unless you have a dynamic IP address |
| 06:27.17 | Zetabyte | or multiple machines on a local network |
| 06:27.19 | Zetabyte | or want a DMZ host |
| 06:27.20 | dondelelcaro | roam: please stop overusing enter too. otherwise no one will be able to follow what you're actually asking |
| 06:27.21 | Zetabyte | or want to prevent/allow certain services |
| 06:27.36 | roam | bad habit ive picked up |
| 06:27.49 | loke_ | roam me too |
| 06:27.51 | tobehz | Hackel: the iptables way isn't so bad -__ |
| 06:27.54 | tobehz | -_- |
| 06:28.05 | roam | i think im just impatient. |
| 06:28.09 | roam | n like to hit enter lots. |
| 06:28.26 | bob2 | it's fucking annoying |
| 06:28.39 | tobehz | aye :> |
| 06:28.40 | Penix | !hug PF |
| 06:28.52 | Zetabyte | Hackel it took me a month to get my firewall/router set up the way i wanted it, including dns, subnetting, forwarding, firewall.... but it was well worth it. |
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| 06:29.24 | jetscreamer | god, now i like kde |
| 06:29.27 | jetscreamer | i am ashamed |
| 06:29.33 | tobehz | Zetabyte: a month? ;x |
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| 06:29.42 | tobehz | that's pretty long |
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| 06:30.19 | loke_ | !tell dst about root |
| 06:30.46 | Hackel | Well, maybe I should just work on setting it up manually then. I just want to make sure it's still secure, etc. |
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| 06:30.49 | Zetabyte | tobehz VERY complex setup, 6 subnets, DHCP, various machines running web, dns, samba, etc, and i started with NO knowledge of iptables or dns or dhcp |
| 06:31.03 | lobomufas | hi |
| 06:31.12 | Growly | why can anonymous users access my root folder? :s |
| 06:31.16 | Growly | (via ftp_ |
| 06:31.27 | loke_ | Growly edit you ftp conf file |
| 06:31.28 | jla | Hackel ahh, sorry. I haven't used that. iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <internet interface, eg eth1> -j MASQUERADE had seemed pretty simple with me. |
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| 06:32.03 | tobehz | Zetabyte: still sounds iffy ^.^ |
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| 06:32.29 | Zetabyte | tobehz did i mention i was a full-time Computer Engineering student at Purdue University, taking a 18-credit-hour load, at the time? |
| 06:32.35 | Growly | im using pure-ftpd |
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| 06:33.14 | jla | How can I see if commands/options in /etc/modprobe.d are executing/failing? |
| 06:33.28 | gameover | im having trouble with the ATI deriver |
| 06:33.33 | gameover | i got the module loaded and compiled |
| 06:33.39 | lobomufas | jla: it must be shown with dmesg |
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| 06:33.50 | gameover | but when X loads the screen stays black and the keyboard lock |
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| 06:33.55 | gameover | locks* |
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| 06:34.59 | loke_ | Growly edit the conf |
| 06:35.11 | Hackel | I'm just amazed at the number of rules ipmasq setup looking at my iptables list, blocking/logging certain things, etc. Not sure what it's all for. |
| 06:35.23 | tobehz | Zetabyte: I'm 15, I don't care about your college workload. I just think taking a month to configure a whole network, is a bit long, unless you're designing your network as you go, because it certainly doesn't take a month to pump in commands :p |
| 06:35.53 | jla | lobomufas: how do you get a list of everything that goes out the boot screen? dmesg seems to be missing some of the stuff I think I see during boot. |
| 06:36.14 | Zetabyte | tobehz i was configuring it as i went, i wasn't sure exactly what i wanted, i made continuous adjustments |
| 06:36.15 | tobehz | Hackel: there is a good guide of tldp, simple-masquerade or masquerading-simple, something like that, which provides a very basic but fairly secure set of iptables stuff for basic routing |
| 06:36.28 | tobehz | guide on tldp** |
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| 06:37.36 | tobehz | i just wish i could get alsa working |
| 06:37.41 | Hackel | tobehz: Thanks |
| 06:37.47 | tobehz | Hackel: np |
| 06:38.03 | lobomufas | jla: try to configure syslog to log booting |
| 06:38.18 | bob2 | to get alsa working: install 2.6 kernel. install hotplug. reboot. enjoy. |
| 06:38.18 | jla | lobomufas I'll look that up, thanks |
| 06:38.25 | lobomufas | a line like "local7.* /var/log/boot.log" must work |
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| 06:38.42 | jetscreamer | bob2, in which reality does alsa 'just work' |
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| 06:39.01 | bob2 | jetscreamer: mine |
| 06:39.04 | jla | seems to work in my reality :) |
| 06:39.08 | Hackel | Speaking of alsa, hotplug stopped recognizing the buillt-in isa sound card on one of my old machines, I had to load the module manually. |
| 06:39.12 | bob2 | I don't know why people spend so much time fucking around |
| 06:39.14 | jetscreamer | pita, here |
| 06:39.20 | jla | except for that brief stint with oss loading first. |
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| 06:40.03 | tobehz | bob2: moving to 2.6 just for alsa seems stupid |
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| 06:40.15 | tobehz | surely sound can work in 2.4, can it not? |
| 06:40.19 | streuner__ | well, i never needed hotplug in order to run ALSA |
| 06:40.19 | bob2 | duh |
| 06:40.25 | bob2 | but then you have to bulid the modules yourself |
| 06:40.31 | bob2 | which is a pain in the arse |
| 06:40.32 | jetscreamer | 2.6 is better for teh mouse in fps's |
| 06:40.39 | bob2 | streuner__: indeed |
| 06:40.42 | Quintus | hi everyone |
| 06:40.58 | jetscreamer | s/for/4/ |
| 06:41.28 | cat | hi Quintus |
| 06:41.56 | jetscreamer | >r<enuerts |
| 06:42.43 | streuner | jetscreamer: hi |
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| 06:43.14 | drac | hi all |
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| 06:46.36 | nivekz | hello, how to make another user be another root? |
| 06:46.54 | drac | nivekz: man sudo man sudoers |
| 06:46.55 | nivekz | i mean, make a user to have all root's access |
| 06:47.27 | nivekz | drac: oh thanks |
| 06:48.46 | larrikin | I've figured out why chicks are rare in *nix land.. |
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| 06:49.05 | larrikin | every time they want to know something they have to consult man |
| 06:49.12 | chealer | lol |
| 06:49.17 | streuner | hehe |
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| 06:50.25 | tobehz | bob2: That worked.. like a charm. |
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| 06:50.44 | azreal | larrikin: no, they could allways just change the bin to woman(1) |
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| 06:52.33 | zignig | larrikin: I know some unix women that would whoop your arse. |
| 06:52.41 | loke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.41 | loke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.41 | loke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.41 | loke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.41 | loke_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:53.27 | loke_ | thats my artwork |
| 06:53.38 | loke_ | i wanted to show you guys |
| 06:53.44 | zignig | loke_: thats nice; now go away. |
| 06:53.52 | tobehz | that was a waste of my precious bandwidth. |
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| 06:54.51 | sbk | the thing is that it's not particularly entertaining :-) maybe you can do an artwork that also compiles as a C program or something :) |
| 06:54.57 | zignig | tobehz: ask for a refund on the bytes from your ISP |
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| 06:55.51 | sbk | (seeing that all ascii art basically already compiles as perl ;) |
| 06:56.05 | tobehz | zignig: If I could do that, I would ask for a refund on the gbs I spent downloading full isos of redhat and mandrake :p |
| 06:57.46 | Zetabyte | Say I just added a SATA controller card, with 3 HDs plugged into it. The kernel detects the card, discover lists it, and it also lists all 3 drives in /var/log/dmesg. Do I have to do somethign to make the devices in /dev? |
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| 06:58.22 | Ikarus | Zetabyte: they are probably there as /dev/sd[abc] |
| 06:58.24 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: depends what devices the kernel detected them as, and whether or not you already have those devices |
| 06:58.32 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: if you need to make them, man MAKEDEV: |
| 06:58.39 | dondelelcaro | s/:/;/ |
| 06:58.58 | Zetabyte | thanks dondelelcaro - dmesg lists them as ata2 thru ata4, and they don't see to be there so i'll look into that |
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| 07:02.15 | spo0nman | ~test |
| 07:02.16 | apt | Passed |
| 07:02.59 | streuner | sp0n: you'll get every time from apt the same response, anyway ;-) |
| 07:03.35 | spo0nman | streuner: i was just worried that there was a lag or something due to no activity on chan. |
| 07:03.40 | sbk | it occurs to me though, that technically (unix ~ usage notwithstanding) that ~test == passed => test failed |
| 07:04.26 | spo0nman | sbk: ~test will be a bitwise operation not nesseseraily 'failed' |
| 07:04.49 | zignig | Zetabyte: what sata card do you have ? |
| 07:06.16 | sbk | spo0nman: considering that a test in this context at least is "pass/fail", it's a one-bit operation :) |
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| 07:07.20 | zignig | sbk: you are getting very sleepy...... |
| 07:07.20 | streuner | haha |
| 07:07.55 | Zetabyte | dondelelcaro i ran makedev and it doesn't create a device for them...maybe it's not finding them for some reason... |
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| 07:08.18 | Zetabyte | zignig - it's a Silicon Image card, it appears to be detected by the sata_sil driver |
| 07:08.36 | Zetabyte | Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller |
| 07:09.17 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: uh, you have to not just run MAKEDEV, but run it with the proper options. |
| 07:09.41 | Zetabyte | MAKEDEV update ...? |
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| 07:10.31 | Zetabyte | it looked like it was rescanning stuff and making devices. |
| 07:10.39 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: that assumes that the card is actually in interrupts, and MAKEDEV can parse that... not all together likely... |
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| 07:10.49 | Aj` | gotta a q , whats the apt-get install command to install x server ? |
| 07:10.57 | Zetabyte | ah, i will go read the man page a lil closer... |
| 07:11.06 | Aj` | apt-get install xorg is not working |
| 07:11.08 | streuner | Aj`: /msg dpkg setup X |
| 07:11.15 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: alternatively, it did create the device, but it's not ata* |
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| 07:11.47 | streuner | Aj`: what do you use, ubuntu, knoppix or what? |
| 07:12.25 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: most likely the SATAraid card was detected and is acutally using the /dev/hdc et al. devices |
| 07:12.41 | streuner | Aj`: no, xorg is in debian AFTER sarge is stable |
| 07:13.51 | Aj` | debian sarge |
| 07:14.06 | Aj` | i did the network install |
| 07:14.20 | streuner | !setup x |
| 07:14.20 | dpkg | [set up x] To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 07:14.30 | roam | FFS |
| 07:14.33 | roam | does it again |
| 07:14.37 | roam | wtf is with this sarge install. |
| 07:14.47 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 07:14.58 | Zetabyte | dondelelcaro - could that be the case and the listings in /var/log/dmesg still say "ata1: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xCC876080 ctl 0xCC87608A bmdma 0xCC876000 irq 5 |
| 07:14.58 | Zetabyte | ata2: SATA max UDMA/100 cmd 0xCC8760C0 ctl 0xCC8760CA bmdma 0xCC876008 irq 5" etc |
| 07:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: that's just the card. |
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| 07:15.21 | Zetabyte | ah, i see. |
| 07:15.21 | Myren | does svn ever take an inordinately long time to checkout |
| 07:15.26 | dondelelcaro | Zetabyte: look at /proc/partitions |
| 07:15.29 | tobehz | roam: install a stable system from a netinst disk, then change your /etc/apt/source.list, stable to testing |
| 07:15.31 | dondelelcaro | Myren: if your server is slow, it will |
| 07:15.42 | tobehz | and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:15.44 | tobehz | it's pretty simple |
| 07:15.46 | Zetabyte | Myren mine does that sometimes, usually ctrl+c and retry is faster |
| 07:15.48 | roam | tobehz |
| 07:15.49 | dondelelcaro | roam: what exactly is the problem that you're having with the sarge install? |
| 07:15.54 | roam | yer thats simple as day |
| 07:16.04 | roam | but i want sarges install scsi support |
| 07:16.06 | roam | save me time |
| 07:16.11 | Myren | i'm trying to download the polypaudio svn. i've downloaded other files from the repository and its a little slow. |
| 07:16.16 | Myren | but i cant even control-c close svn |
| 07:16.18 | Myren | its like it stalls |
| 07:16.39 | Myren | can someone try and svn checkout svn://seth.intheinter.net/polypaudio/trunk polypaudio |
| 07:16.45 | dondelelcaro | Myren: probably in iosleep or similar |
| 07:16.52 | Myren | yeah, exactly |
| 07:17.10 | roam | dondelelcaro: i install sarge through the sarge installer, which is alot nicer than woody, as it has inbuilt support for my scsi adapter n intel 1g nics, now problem is after i finish the install n install grub or lilo the system reboots fine |
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| 07:17.23 | roam | loads the file systems, loads everything perfectly. then we get to it loading the usb modules |
| 07:17.27 | roam | which arnt important but hey |
| 07:17.29 | Zetabyte | ok, my bad. the drives were there all along, /dev/sd[a...c] |
| 07:17.31 | roam | n the monitor shuts off |
| 07:17.41 | Zetabyte | I was focusing on misinformation. |
| 07:17.41 | roam | before i get to the post-install screen, to finish the install. |
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| 07:17.48 | Zetabyte | thanks all for the help =) |
| 07:18.05 | dondelelcaro | Myren: just kill -9 $(pidof svn); or similar |
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| 07:18.44 | bighead | umm, how do I save an openoffice.org doc as a pdf? PDF Writer, doesn't show up in the print dialog :-/ |
| 07:18.46 | dondelelcaro | roam: does the machine reboot? or does the monitor just go away? |
| 07:18.54 | dondelelcaro | bighead: save it to a ps, the ps2pdf |
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| 07:19.29 | dondelelcaro | roam: can you switch consoles using ctrl-alt-f1 et al? |
| 07:19.38 | roam | machine reboots, tried with grub and lilo, they do the job, mounts filesystems, loads network card modules, loads usb modules, loads everything, then when its basically up the monitor shuts off. |
| 07:19.46 | roam | no i cant. |
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| 07:20.01 | dondelelcaro | roam: boot with init=/sbin/init 1; |
| 07:20.23 | roam | n it cant be x either, because its post-install, so i take it the post install screen should come up going "set a root pass" yada |
| 07:20.25 | roam | like woody. |
| 07:20.39 | Myren | dondelelcaro: yeah, i've been kill -9'ing it for a week now. |
| 07:20.55 | dondelelcaro | Myren: hrm... well, I did it, and kill -9 murdered it right off |
| 07:21.02 | Myren | can someone please try and checkout this svn and tell me if its just me and my svn freaking the fsck out. |
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| 07:21.06 | bighead | dondelelcaro: openoffice.org doesn't allow me to save it as ps either :-/ |
| 07:21.12 | chipheo | hi guys |
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| 07:21.25 | Myren | dondelelcaro: oh, sorry, kill -9 works, its just that i keep trying and kill -9 is the only end. :/ |
| 07:21.26 | ^Ocean^ | any one have any experiance with lirc? Im trying to run lircrc_config but get ./lircrc_config: relocation error: ./lircrc_config: undefined symbol: lirc_flags |
| 07:21.32 | bighead | dondelelcaro: but wait. sorry, I see "Export as PDF" now. thanks anyway |
| 07:21.46 | Myren | svn checkout svn://seth.intheinter.net/polypaudio/trunk polypaudio |
| 07:21.58 | dondelelcaro | Myren: yeah, probably the repository is dead... I tried it and it doesn't work here either |
| 07:22.23 | roam | dondelelcaro: i cant, lilo has its defauly settings which dont allow me to put in boot parameters |
| 07:22.24 | Myren | thats so weird, the guys' got a ton of other packages which work fine. thanks for checking dondelelcaro |
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| 07:23.01 | chipheo | I just want to install jre in my new debian box and I search with apt-cache only find sun-j2re1.x but it can not install |
| 07:23.27 | bighead | !dpkg j2re |
| 07:23.27 | dpkg | [j2re] Crap. Java RunTime Environment, version 2, or non-free. Slow, or a Memory Hog |
| 07:23.38 | dondelelcaro | Myren: it's just blocking at a read(4,... so yeah, something wrong with the repository most likely |
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| 07:23.52 | streuner | chipheo: why do you need java? |
| 07:23.54 | bighead | chipheo: well j2re isn't distributed by Debian (due to licensing issues) iirc |
| 07:24.09 | Zetabyte | this... is...beautiful... md0 : active raid5 sdc[2] sdb[3](F) sda[0] |
| 07:24.09 | Zetabyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.09 | Zetabyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.11 | bighead | chipheo: well atleast Sun's j2re |
| 07:24.24 | chipheo | streuner, i need the jre for mozilla-firefox |
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| 07:24.42 | bighead | chipheo: if u want sun's j2re, download from sun's site. and install make-jpkg via apt-get. then man make-jpkg |
| 07:24.44 | streuner | chipheo: tux.org has some packages |
| 07:25.00 | streuner | s/some/one/ |
| 07:25.03 | dondelelcaro | roam: uh, yes it does. |
| 07:25.09 | chipheo | thanks bighead and streuner |
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| 07:25.26 | dondelelcaro | roam: just hit shift as soon as you see lilo: |
| 07:25.35 | roam | dondelelcaro: cheers. |
| 07:25.41 | Myren | chipheo: i tried a lot of packages, the only one which worked properly for me was make-jpkg, even though you have to fetch the j2re from sun manually. |
| 07:26.07 | chipheo | Myren, I will do it, thanks |
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| 07:26.37 | dondelelcaro | roam: anyway, good luck with that |
| 07:26.51 | Avantopia | anyone here used regionset yet? what region should I use if I live in the US? |
| 07:26.53 | roam | dond: cheers |
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| 07:28.12 | jla | Avantopia dont know. Doesn't man regionset say? |
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| 07:28.35 | Phated | Avantopia: Region 1 is US. |
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| 07:31.23 | Growly | what does this mean :s |
| 07:31.23 | Growly | make[3]: *** [/root/madwifi/ath_hal/ah_osdep.o] Error 1 |
| 07:31.23 | Growly | make[2]: *** [_module_/root/madwifi/ath_hal] Error 2 |
| 07:31.23 | Growly | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.6.10' |
| 07:31.23 | Growly | make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 07:31.23 | Growly | make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/madwifi/ath_hal' |
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| 07:31.30 | Melsen | tsk tsk |
| 07:31.46 | OpenRealty | is it possible to grant sudo priviliges to a user to be able to tar /etc without changing /etc's permissions? |
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| 07:32.47 | alankelon | hello, does anybody have lvm in root partition? is it hard to get with the new d-i? |
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| 07:33.17 | Growly | oh, i got kicked |
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| 07:34.53 | KSM | como eu consigo ver a versăo do meu kernel-readers? |
| 07:35.01 | tobehz | why can't unzip decompress a zip archive I have? |
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| 07:35.21 | tobehz | it says it can't find the file, but if I do `file Music.zip` it says ZIP archive |
| 07:35.28 | zinx | tobehz: because it's corrupt |
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| 07:35.35 | Growly | why, after i make clean, does make no longer work? |
| 07:35.38 | zinx | tobehz: or incomplete |
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| 07:35.59 | tobehz | zinx: and there is no way to get anything out of the archive? |
| 07:35.59 | zinx | tobehz: it's not saying it can't find it, it's saying it can't find a central directory in it |
| 07:36.08 | zinx | tobehz: you can use a util to fix it |
| 07:36.34 | tobehz | zinx: that utility being? :p |
| 07:36.37 | zinx | tobehz: seems it's zip, -F |
| 07:36.52 | zinx | tobehz: make sure you back it up first |
| 07:36.55 | tobehz | thank you |
| 07:37.33 | tobehz | zinx: hmm, it says missing or empty Zip file |
| 07:37.41 | tobehz | but it's taking up 2gb of space.. >:| |
| 07:37.59 | tdfc | How can an apache2 be broken since November !!!? |
| 07:38.15 | tdfc | it hasn't been fixed for almost four months |
| 07:38.19 | zinx | tobehz: do you have read/write permission? |
| 07:38.30 | tobehz | zinx: aye, i'm under root |
| 07:38.30 | Growly | i need a linux book |
| 07:38.41 | zinx | tobehz: no. |
| 07:38.46 | zinx | tobehz: do you have read/write permission? |
| 07:38.57 | zinx | tobehz: being root doesn't mean you have permission, it just means you can fix the permissions. |
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| 07:39.39 | tobehz | zinx: yes, i have read/write permissions |
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| 07:40.07 | zinx | tobehz: dunno then |
| 07:40.45 | tobehz | so... stupid >_< |
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| 07:43.48 | boukensya | hey guys... Having a little trouble recompiling my kernel. At boot time I get "Kernel Panic: VFS unable to mount root fs /dev/hda1 or 0,0" I might of accidently disabled it in the kernel ): where is it if I did? any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 07:44.03 | streuner | custom kernel? |
| 07:44.12 | streuner | sorry |
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| 07:44.31 | streuner | boukensya: SCSI? |
| 07:44.56 | streuner | boukensya: Do you use SCSI? |
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| 07:45.27 | jla | ah-ha! setting wake on lan (ethtool -s eth0 wol g) from modprobe.d does set the state, but it gets set back to disabled on ifup, so I may as well do it in /etc/network/interfaces in an up stanza. |
| 07:45.49 | boukensya | streuner no |
| 07:45.51 | Aj` | hmm i set xserver to start at 800x600 , how do I change that ? |
| 07:45.58 | jla | maybe I should do both, incase ifup doesn't happen |
| 07:46.05 | streuner | boukensya: grep INITRD your_config |
| 07:46.28 | tdfc | where can i get the source of a package ? |
| 07:46.39 | zinx | tdfc: apt-get will get it |
| 07:47.00 | streuner | tdfc: put a 'deb-src' line in sources.list |
| 07:47.06 | boukensya | streuner: nothing came up |
| 07:47.19 | streuner | boukensys: nothing at all? |
| 07:47.25 | boukensya | nope |
| 07:47.29 | boukensya | mr-david:/usr/src/linux# grep INITRD .config |
| 07:47.30 | boukensya | mr-david:/usr/src/linux# |
| 07:47.32 | kaplanfx | im trying out arch on my test system right now |
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| 07:47.55 | tdfc | no apt-get will do thanks |
| 07:47.56 | kaplanfx | its no debian, but one of the better distros I have tried |
| 07:48.12 | Aj` | any one can tell me how to reconfig xserver to diff screen resolution ? |
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| 07:48.30 | OpenRealty | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:48.34 | Aj` | ty |
| 07:48.36 | kaplanfx | Aj`: edit your /etc/X11/XF864-config file |
| 07:48.47 | kaplanfx | or what OpenRealty said :) |
| 07:49.09 | OpenRealty | Aj: you can go through it real quick |
| 07:49.25 | Growly | !grep |
| 07:49.25 | OpenRealty | just keep hitting enter and keep all your settings teh same until you get to the res part |
| 07:49.25 | dpkg | somebody said grep was at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
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| 07:49.51 | boukensya | streuner: any idea? |
| 07:49.53 | streuner | boukensys: uhm, just see if you enabled INITRD in your kernel then |
| 07:50.01 | boukensya | where is that? |
| 07:50.05 | Growly | !tell growly about grep |
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| 07:50.10 | Growly | !tell Growly about grep |
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| 07:50.16 | streuner | boukensys: block devices or such after RAM |
| 07:50.33 | OpenRealty | does anyone know if you can grant sudo privs to a user to tar /etc and all of /home? |
| 07:51.01 | boukensya | doesn't look like anything in there.. last one is large disk support |
| 07:51.41 | bob2 | OpenRealty: sure |
| 07:51.42 | streuner | boukensya: why do you not just use an official kernel? |
| 07:52.18 | boukensya | I like to recompile it.. I have never had problems before |
| 07:52.51 | Growly | what does "make" actually do? |
| 07:52.56 | streuner | What kind of kernel is that, hurd? |
| 07:52.58 | tdfc | ok i'm trying to fix a problem i have with a package that's been broken for too long can someone help me ? |
| 07:53.04 | Growly | !make |
| 07:53.04 | dpkg | make: *** No rule to make target. Stop. See also Makefile |
| 07:53.14 | Growly | !makefile |
| 07:53.14 | dpkg | it has been said that makefile is a file to pass rules and dependencies to make. A nice guide to writing makefiles can be found at http://www.la.utexas.edu/lab/software/devtool/gnu/make/Top.html |
| 07:53.15 | OpenRealty | bob2: cool I guess you just have to grant read privs to /etc and /home |
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| 07:53.32 | Growly | !wtf |
| 07:53.32 | dpkg | What the fuck is wtf, or apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
| 07:53.44 | Growly | !god |
| 07:53.44 | dpkg | well, god is See 'beer'. |
| 07:53.52 | streuner | Growly: /msg dpkg fo |
| 07:53.55 | streuner | foo* |
| 07:53.56 | roam | guys, how to i type in boot parameters |
| 07:53.57 | roam | in grub |
| 07:53.58 | roam | ? |
| 07:54.14 | bob2 | OpenRealty: that's not how sudo works |
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| 07:54.25 | streuner | Growly: /msg the bot |
| 07:54.36 | Growly | why? |
| 07:54.49 | bob2 | because it's annoying to crapflood the channel |
| 07:54.52 | OpenRealty | bob2: I guess I got to read a bit on sudo |
| 07:55.05 | bob2 | OpenRealty: make a script that runs tar on the dirs you want, then give the user permissions to run that |
| 07:55.09 | streuner | Growly: imagine everyone would msg here |
| 07:55.52 | OpenRealty | bob2: they only need permissions to run the script, not to read the files? |
| 07:56.09 | Growly | oh, msg like a private channel? |
| 07:56.12 | roam | which do uz think is better |
| 07:56.14 | roam | grub or lilo |
| 07:56.14 | roam | ? |
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| 07:56.39 | lordurza | I like grub myself |
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| 07:56.43 | lordurza | more control over it |
| 07:56.51 | zinx | i like grub |
| 07:57.01 | zinx | doesn't die a horrible death every time you move the mouse |
| 07:57.01 | kid_ | I would like to know how I can pass the SCSI driver through an USB floppy during installation |
| 07:57.12 | roam | do any of u know how to add boot parameters to it, like in lilo u hit shift. |
| 07:57.20 | roam | need to enter "linux emergency" into it. |
| 07:57.21 | roam | heh |
| 07:57.28 | zinx | (ok... maybe not a mouse, but i've had lilo die when removing a completely unrelated hard drive :) ) |
| 07:57.33 | lordurza | it has its own menu interface roam |
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| 07:57.41 | roam | ic |
| 07:57.46 | lordurza | belive its just M I forget half the time due to the long uptimes of my systems |
| 07:57.47 | tobehz | If I can cat data to /dev/dsp, and get static, why might xmms be unable to playback stuff? It says to check the soundcard being properly configured, proper audio device selected, etc.. |
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| 07:58.00 | lordurza | m for menu btw roam |
| 07:58.03 | zinx | tobehz: wrong output plugin, most likely |
| 07:58.06 | roam | ta |
| 07:58.15 | zinx | tobehz: or misconfigured output plugin |
| 07:58.25 | lordurza | the menu for grub is kinda clunky but it should do the trick |
| 07:58.32 | kid_ | I would like to know how I can pass the SCSI driver through an USB floppy during installation |
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| 07:58.47 | lordurza | yes you can kid |
| 07:58.49 | tobehz | zinx: it's using /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer |
| 07:58.57 | lordurza | you could also add that to your boot loader |
| 07:59.08 | lordurza | im not sure on the exacts but it would just be added to load on boot |
| 07:59.09 | OpenRealty | bob2: I just read a howto on sudo, I got it now, thanks for pointing me in the right direction! |
| 07:59.12 | aokaze | I have a question. I have a CD-RW and I want to burn a CD. Do I need an application or can I burn directly by mounting in a special way. If I need an application what is suggested for data CDs? |
| 07:59.12 | kid_ | lordurza: how do I do that |
| 07:59.13 | Zetabyte | What is a good block size for an ext3 filesystem 160GB (3x80GB raid5) being used for general purpose storage? (mostly media and archival of larger files) |
| 07:59.18 | tobehz | I had sound working when logged in under root w/ twm, but you can't login as root under KDE |
| 07:59.28 | zinx | tobehz: are you trying both in X? some desktop environments start their own sound daemon which ties up the sound card so nothing else can use it |
| 07:59.39 | lordurza | easy which ever your using grub/kde edit the config files under /boot or /etc/lilo |
| 07:59.46 | zinx | tobehz: also, make sure the permissions on the dsp/mixer are correct :) |
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| 08:00.09 | tobehz | zinx: checked permissions, both are fine |
| 08:00.09 | kid_ | lordurza: can you tell me what the arguments are |
| 08:00.13 | tobehz | I am running KDE though |
| 08:00.17 | lordurza | like I said im unsure on that |
| 08:00.32 | zinx | tobehz: use the aRTs output plugin, or turn aRTs off |
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| 08:00.37 | lordurza | I myself would have to mess with it to do somthing like that seeing as iv never had to set that up before |
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| 08:00.58 | tobehz | zinx: how do you turn it off? O_o |
| 08:00.59 | kid_ | heh |
| 08:01.46 | lordurza | im sure if you google it kid_ ull find some good answers now that yuou know what to look for |
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| 08:02.04 | lordurza | I would search for other people trying to do the same thing using the same dist of *nix your using with the same type of hardware |
| 08:02.10 | lordurza | it would all differe depending on that |
| 08:02.14 | kid_ | okei |
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| 08:02.31 | kid_ | ohh |
| 08:02.33 | zinx | tobehz: i dunno; i don't use it myself :x |
| 08:03.18 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 08:03.18 | dpkg | No, jetscreamer, you're not online any more. |
| 08:03.22 | jetscreamer | cool |
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| 08:04.15 | PEACEYALL | hello all |
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| 08:05.21 | PEACEYALL | can anyone help me in ndiswrapper |
| 08:05.29 | PEACEYALL | im getting a fatal error on modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 08:06.34 | tobehz | zinx: seems to be solved by running kde as root |
| 08:06.46 | tobehz | but I added the other user in question to the audio group |
| 08:06.50 | tobehz | weird.. :/ |
| 08:06.59 | naeric2 | btw ... running alsaconf might help with the sounds issues |
| 08:07.09 | cyberyo | io |
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| 08:07.20 | PEACEYALL | can any one help me |
| 08:07.47 | siimo | hi what package do i install for X ? |
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| 08:08.13 | siimo | when i try to install gnome it tells - xfree86-common ? |
| 08:08.50 | uGexe2 | its like x-windows-systems |
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| 08:09.38 | zakame | hi all |
| 08:09.43 | siimo | uGexe2, whats the difference between x-windows-system and x-window-system-core |
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| 08:10.02 | gameover | anyone here have the proprietary ATI driver installed? |
| 08:10.03 | uGexe2 | well if you apt-get x-windows-system, it should get everything you need |
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| 08:10.32 | gameover | apt-get install x-windows-system |
| 08:10.42 | siimo | oh ok thanks |
| 08:10.44 | tobehz | zinx: extracting the archive via winzip seems to work |
| 08:10.56 | tobehz | thank god for wine (even though it doesn't run itunes hehe) |
| 08:11.17 | uGexe2 | gameover: is the install hard on debian? I will be doing it soon myself |
| 08:11.31 | gameover | uGexe2 yeah |
| 08:11.54 | uGexe2 | what problems are you having |
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| 08:12.21 | gameover | i have my fglrx module installed, but when i mess with the xconfig file to point to it, x loads into a black screen and my keyboard locks "no numlock" |
| 08:12.27 | tobehz | what does Wine use as it's fake windows root? |
| 08:13.02 | gameover | i had to use knoppix to revert to a backup of that Xfree86-4 |
| 08:13.04 | uGexe2 | wine is just a winapi wrapper |
| 08:13.17 | streuner | !listvals fglrx |
| 08:13.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fglrx' by value (5 shown): radeon drivers ;; ati drivers ;; ati debs ;; ati ;; firegl. |
| 08:13.22 | tobehz | it can fake the windows system root or use a specified one |
| 08:13.28 | tobehz | and I told it to fake it :> |
| 08:13.41 | streuner | !ati debs |
| 08:13.41 | dpkg | ati debs is, like, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 08:14.02 | zinx | tobehz: whatever you configure it to use |
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| 08:14.08 | JRogerII | Can anyone see why-> psql hsphere wwwuser -t -c "\d" | grep -v sequence | awk -F\| '{print $2}' | grep -e ^a <-doesn't work? The final grep doesn't like the ^ for some reason. I've tried without -e as well. It works when I specify an input file with the same data. |
| 08:14.08 | helix | !test |
| 08:14.09 | dpkg | Yes, helix, you're still online. |
| 08:14.19 | zinx | uGexe2: winelib is, wine has to do a lot more than that |
| 08:16.06 | zinx | (i'm avoiding the term "emulator" here because someone will inevitably bring up wine's name as strict fact without backing it up in any way whatsoever) |
| 08:16.13 | gameover | streuner: i have them installed and have completed setting up the module on that page, im wondering if anyone here has it so i can look at their XFree86config-4 file |
| 08:16.15 | naeric2 | i'm running vmware ws 4.5 with xp host and sarge w kernel 2.6.8 and can't get my clock to sync to xp even running the vm-guest daemon |
| 08:17.11 | tdfc | is anyone running apache2 from sarge ? |
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| 08:18.08 | streuner | gameover: use usenet |
| 08:18.21 | streuner | gameover: groups.google.com |
| 08:18.30 | vhosttemp19 | how do i specify a directory i want to install something from source? |
| 08:18.48 | uGexe2 | does debian store the default kernel config somewhere for compiling the ati driver? |
| 08:19.11 | zinx | uGexe2: yes; in a package with the entire source, and just the .config in /boot |
| 08:19.17 | peterS | "the ati driver"? there's just one? the kernel .config is /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:19.45 | gameover | haha the text verification i got is waang |
| 08:19.52 | gameover | the jpg/text |
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| 08:21.29 | mdh | well that was fun |
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| 08:22.46 | PEACEYALL | can anyone help[ me?? |
| 08:23.15 | uGexe2 | only if we know your question |
| 08:23.19 | PEACEYALL | ty |
| 08:23.34 | PEACEYALL | my question is in ndiswrapper wwhen i ytype modprobe ndiswrapper i get an error |
| 08:23.38 | PEACEYALL | a fatal: error |
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| 08:24.23 | PEACEYALL | the error is : |
| 08:24.25 | PEACEYALL | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 08:24.59 | uGexe2 | and what does dmesg say |
| 08:25.17 | PEACEYALL | a bunch of things |
| 08:25.20 | PEACEYALL | i cant paste oit here |
| 08:25.21 | PEACEYALL | too big |
| 08:25.30 | tobehz | paste to #flood |
| 08:25.37 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 08:25.41 | tobehz | both of you should be in it however |
| 08:25.47 | mdh | I wonder if ndiswrapper was updated for 2.6 kernels? |
| 08:27.15 | mdh | hey can someone pls tell me the version they get for the SOA of intology.com.au? |
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| 08:27.39 | PEACEYALL | i crashed |
| 08:27.40 | peterS | mdh: 2005012510 |
| 08:27.41 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 08:27.43 | PEACEYALL | .j #flood |
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| 08:27.45 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 08:27.53 | mdh | peterS: thanks |
| 08:28.24 | PEACEYALL | anywayz did u see the dmesg |
| 08:28.53 | AlexW | hrrrm |
| 08:29.02 | AlexW | ive put in debian sarge netinst |
| 08:29.14 | AlexW | now |
| 08:29.41 | AlexW | after Deteting cd-roms the screen goes blue |
| 08:29.44 | AlexW | and thats it |
| 08:29.57 | PEACEYALL | if i cant solve this problem im changing to debian nopt sarge |
| 08:29.57 | PEACEYALL | L. |
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| 08:30.24 | AlexW | any ideas? |
| 08:30.26 | mdh | my firewall got the tick of death. I had to rebuilt it and the entire DMZ. the DNS was resolving everything to RFC1918 addresses on the internet :( |
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| 08:30.53 | PEACEYALL | can anyone help me?? |
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| 08:31.38 | alankelon | hello, does anybody have lvm in root partition? is it hard to get with the new d-i? |
| 08:31.42 | AlexW | in ALT+F4 CDROM-mount failed (error=1) device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 08:32.25 | shwag | is there a command to type that tells me how many hard links of a file exist ? |
| 08:34.04 | AlexW | can anybody help with this |
| 08:35.26 | PEACEYALL | can anyone help me in my problem |
| 08:35.47 | AlexW | lol |
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| 08:36.22 | PEACEYALL | gah there is over 700 people here and no one is ansewriong |
| 08:36.23 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 08:36.44 | igraltist | hi |
| 08:36.57 | elyseum_ | hi |
| 08:37.03 | AlexW | hi |
| 08:37.08 | sphinxta | hi |
| 08:37.10 | PEACEYALL | hi |
| 08:37.10 | sphinxta | haha |
| 08:37.17 | naeric2 | sorry peacey ... ndis stuff is kind of tough for me |
| 08:37.24 | AlexW | when im using netinst (sarge) in ALT+F4 CDROM-mount failed (error=1) device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 08:37.30 | kruzi | hi |
| 08:37.30 | AlexW | after detecing cd-rom |
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| 08:37.48 | naeric2 | PEACEYALL: what network card do you have? |
| 08:38.16 | AlexW | PEACEYALL: i feel the same |
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| 08:38.25 | streuner | AlexW: what command did you use? |
| 08:38.28 | FlimFlamMan | how can i print to a CUPS printer from firefox? |
| 08:38.31 | AlexW | no command |
| 08:38.34 | tdfc | PEACEYALL |
| 08:38.37 | AlexW | just press enter at boot |
| 08:38.44 | streuner | AlexW: you just see the error not more? |
| 08:39.01 | AlexW | well theres tons of other stuff |
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| 08:39.06 | AlexW | but thats in the last few lines |
| 08:39.19 | streuner | AlexW: does the installer work? |
| 08:39.38 | AlexW | well i get up to Detecting CD-ROM.... then after that screen theres nothing |
| 08:39.46 | AlexW | so i went into ALT+F4 |
| 08:39.49 | AlexW | and i saw that |
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| 08:39.56 | streuner | have you verify the iso? |
| 08:40.01 | AlexW | what u mean? |
| 08:40.06 | streuner | md5sum |
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| 08:40.23 | streuner | check out is the iso ok or the media |
| 08:40.28 | streuner | first |
| 08:40.58 | dli | how do I apt-get remove all kde packages? remove kdebase or kdelibs doesn't remove them all :( |
| 08:41.21 | tdfc | apt-get remove kde* |
| 08:41.23 | streuner | dli: apt-get remove xlibs? |
| 08:41.28 | xelam|home | rm -rf /* |
| 08:41.34 | xelam|home | bit drastic though |
| 08:41.34 | tdfc | don't remove xlibs |
| 08:41.42 | dli | streuner, that would remove all X programs :( |
| 08:41.48 | streuner | sure |
| 08:41.57 | tdfc | dli: streuner is a kde fan |
| 08:42.07 | AlexW | wheres the netinst iso? |
| 08:42.11 | igraltist | apt-get remove --purge kde myaby |
| 08:42.17 | streuner | dli: you don't need to remove anything, those little apps which are there aren't that big... |
| 08:42.25 | tdfc | dli: use a regular expression |
| 08:42.31 | streuner | AlexW: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:42.35 | AlexW | heh |
| 08:42.36 | tdfc | you'll still have some kde packages but probably a lot less |
| 08:42.37 | dli | tdfc: I followed "desktop environ" in tasksel |
| 08:43.46 | dli | tdfc: an old box, too small hdd, and too slow for kde |
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| 08:43.58 | PEACEYALL | is anyone gonna help or am i gonna die |
| 08:44.02 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 08:44.04 | streuner | tdfc: iam using everything |
| 08:44.19 | dli | PEACEYALL, I will help anyone to die |
| 08:44.25 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 08:44.28 | PEACEYALL | then u can help me |
| 08:45.06 | AlexW | A42BF25AF7BDE4D9735EB8B91537EAC3 = A42BF25AF7BDE4D9735EB8B91537EAC3 |
| 08:45.18 | FlimFlamMan | how can i print to a CUPS printer from firefox? i'm on sarge. |
| 08:45.40 | AlexW | so what next |
| 08:46.07 | PEACEYALL | gah im gonna do a fuuuullll reinstall |
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| 08:46.32 | dli | tdfc: apt-get --purge remove kde* :) it works |
| 08:46.45 | dli | PEACEYALL, why? compromised? |
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| 08:47.10 | jla | I have three 3com cards in a computer. Two are the exact same model and the other is slightly different but they all use the 3c59x driver. I am struggling to force a specific card to be eth0 and another to be eth1. I'd really like my internal network card to be eth0 and be the one with the wake on lan header. |
| 08:47.14 | AlexW | streuner: what next |
| 08:47.24 | igraltist | ccan i do when the /usr partition are full this copy /usr/share to another place and do only a symlink to /usr so thats all work ? |
| 08:47.26 | tdfc | PEACEYALL: so painfull ey ? |
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| 08:47.32 | streuner | AlexW: ask in #debian-boot |
| 08:47.51 | streuner | AlexW: try another media first |
| 08:47.57 | jla | igraltist should work. I'd try it in single user. |
| 08:48.02 | tobehz | jla: they should all be specifically identified |
| 08:48.04 | streuner | CDRW if possible |
| 08:48.09 | PEACEYALL | yes very painfull |
| 08:48.11 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 08:48.17 | tobehz | probably in the order they are detected, and thus inserted into the motherboard |
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| 08:48.39 | tobehz | just plug them in one by one and test to see which one is which |
| 08:48.44 | PEACEYALL | gah thats it im gonna do a full reinstall from ythe netinst |
| 08:48.57 | PEACEYALL | i will lose evrythign but it better work after reinstall |
| 08:48.57 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 08:49.11 | jla | tobehz I was hopign it would be as simple as that, like one end of the bus being eth0 the other eth2, but it seems to load the two identical ones first then the odd one, and I want the odd one to be first. |
| 08:49.26 | igraltist | in /etc7network/interfaces you can specific wich eth* should have wich adress |
| 08:49.32 | dli | PEACEYALL, by which program, it was breached |
| 08:49.33 | tobehz | so rearrange the cards |
| 08:49.37 | tobehz | internally |
| 08:49.47 | tobehz | err, I stand corrected |
| 08:49.50 | tobehz | possibly |
| 08:49.53 | jla | tobehz I did, and eth0 and eth1 are always the one type, eth2 is always the other |
| 08:49.57 | PEACEYALL | dli ndiswrapper |
| 08:50.07 | tobehz | jla: weird -_- |
| 08:50.15 | cahoot | jla: load the modules in wanted order? |
| 08:50.27 | jla | cahoot all three use 3c59x :( |
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| 08:50.34 | cahoot | sorry |
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| 08:50.49 | jla | is there a way to assign ethx by pci-id? |
| 08:50.54 | jla | or something? |
| 08:51.00 | fors | mm |
| 08:51.07 | cahoot | jla: ifrenam |
| 08:51.10 | cahoot | e |
| 08:51.28 | jla | I wish it was just pci bus location, so like next to agp slot is always eth0 and farthest away is ethn or something |
| 08:51.32 | Stian^_- | how do i get kde 3.4 beta with apt-get ?... I dont need to change my sources.list |
| 08:51.32 | jla | k, I'll look at that |
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| 08:52.08 | tobehz | Stian^_-: upgrade to unstable, most likely |
| 08:52.13 | Ikarus | jla: your BIOS might support that, atleast disable all PNP options |
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| 08:52.41 | Stian^_- | tobehz, oki |
| 08:52.47 | jla | ikarus I'll double-check PNP bios settings. I dont remember what that's set to. |
| 08:53.25 | Stian^_- | tobehz, kde-core package ? |
| 08:53.25 | jla | cahoot thanks for pointing out ifrename, that should work by mac address if I cant get pci order to work. |
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| 08:53.56 | tobehz | Stian^_-: upgrade to unstable, and run tasksel and select desktop environment and then hit <finish> |
| 08:54.00 | tobehz | that should install kde |
| 08:54.32 | Stian^_- | I have kde I only want to upgrade it to the beta version |
| 08:54.40 | tobehz | alright so then just do |
| 08:54.44 | tobehz | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:54.48 | tobehz | after updating your sources.list |
| 08:54.54 | tobehz | that *should* work |
| 08:55.22 | Stian^_- | I dont want to upgrade all packages to unstable but thanks anyway |
| 08:55.59 | jla | I did a write up for my wake on lan config experiances http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?WakeOnLan . :) later all. I'll try ifrename and no PNP. |
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| 09:03.12 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 09:03.13 | PEACEYALL | thats it |
| 09:03.16 | PEACEYALL | i mqde up my mine |
| 09:03.19 | PEACEYALL | im doing a fulkl restore |
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| 09:06.21 | tdfc | how can i install a package without some of it's dependencies ? |
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| 09:06.35 | tdfc | with apt-get |
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| 09:07.23 | Growly | erm |
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| 09:07.53 | Growly | why does apache display /URL not found on server, i have double checked DocumentRoot many many times.... |
| 09:08.29 | tobehz | tdfc: what's the point of depending on software and being able to be installed without it? |
| 09:08.29 | tobehz | that's like wanting to install a game when you have no 3d libraries behind it |
| 09:08.34 | deadcat | tdfc: theres a reason for dependencies. |
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| 09:08.39 | deadcat | Growly: chek again |
| 09:08.49 | tdfc | deadcat: really ? |
| 09:08.55 | deadcat | tdfc: no shit |
| 09:09.10 | tdfc | there's a reason why i don't want some of them too |
| 09:09.36 | tobehz | well the program you're trying to install does |
| 09:09.45 | tdfc | yes and it will have it |
| 09:09.56 | tdfc | why do i have to go through all that :( |
| 09:09.59 | tobehz | and i'm sure it has its reasons -_- |
| 09:10.01 | tdfc | i just want no deps |
| 09:10.15 | tdfc | apache2 is broken |
| 09:10.24 | tdfc | because one of it's dependency is broken |
| 09:10.30 | tdfc | apache2-mpm-worker that is |
| 09:10.51 | tdfc | so i compiled the apache2 package from source with the debian patch |
| 09:11.04 | tdfc | now i want some programs that depends on apache2 |
| 09:11.16 | tdfc | but if it installs apache2 it will mess my system again |
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| 09:11.34 | tobehz | programs that depend on apache2?.. |
| 09:11.47 | deadcat | tdfc: thats why you should have conpiled apache2 the debian way. .deb |
| 09:11.51 | tobehz | besides it's own modules, what the hell depends on apache2? |
| 09:11.55 | tdfc | ok how can i do that |
| 09:12.05 | tdfc | sounds like a master plan i like it |
| 09:12.07 | Vyrus001 | how do i find a file from console ? |
| 09:12.12 | tdfc | Vyrus001: find |
| 09:12.32 | Vyrus001 | jus find foobar ? |
| 09:12.39 | tdfc | actually apache2 is more than one package |
| 09:12.45 | tobehz | Is there a way to lock an X session? |
| 09:12.47 | tdfc | it's a source package, can that be automated ? |
| 09:12.51 | tobehz | running Gnome |
| 09:12.54 | tdfc | deadcat |
| 09:12.56 | deadcat | tobehz: xlockmore |
| 09:13.00 | tobehz | thanks |
| 09:13.09 | deadcat | Vyrus001: find PATH OPTIONS FILENAME |
| 09:13.19 | AlexW | when im using netinst (sarge) in ALT+F4 CDROM-mount failed (error=1) device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 09:13.23 | Vyrus001 | cool ok |
| 09:13.24 | Vyrus001 | thanx |
| 09:13.32 | deadcat | tdfc: apt-source, after that you run binary/rules in that dir i thnk. |
| 09:13.41 | ^Ocean^ | are there any php webmail type front ends that also allow new users to create an e-mail address ? |
| 09:13.50 | deadcat | tdfc: but there are many tools to build deb from debian source |
| 09:13.50 | AlexW | hivemail i think |
| 09:14.16 | tdfc | ok thanks |
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| 09:17.08 | davesharp | hey all |
| 09:18.15 | davesharp | does anyone here know of an app that can test networks? basically I have 2 switches that I have heard bulk when put under lots of traffic for long periods of time and I would like to test it out |
| 09:18.45 | Ikarus | what level switches ? |
| 09:19.40 | davesharp | what do you mean by that? |
| 09:20.00 | Ikarus | ethernet level or more intelligent |
| 09:21.12 | davesharp | they are BlackDiamonds, so v. intelligent. Actually, it's not the switches themselves... you have to put these things in, (i can't remember what they're called) to actually give you ethernet ports. It's those that apparently screw up under pressure |
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| 09:22.09 | Garp | Hi. |
| 09:22.10 | Ikarus | boards they are usually called |
| 09:22.26 | Ikarus | But to stress test such a device you need quite a capable program |
| 09:22.27 | Ikarus | hmmm |
| 09:22.46 | Garp | Question: How to deal with the /etc/rc?.d directories? Should I put and remove links by hand or is there any debian tool for it? If yes, which one? Thanks. |
| 09:22.47 | davesharp | maybe just send DoS attacks from one server to another, over these switches? |
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| 09:23.10 | Ikarus | davesharp: doesn't test everything |
| 09:23.36 | davesharp | i just figured it would create the large amount of traffic i need |
| 09:23.54 | Ikarus | Not only traffic does it |
| 09:24.09 | Ikarus | You also need to excercise the MAC cache and such |
| 09:24.11 | Guerin | Garp: rcconf, update-rc.d, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-coonf |
| 09:24.20 | Garp | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 09:24.46 | Garp | Guerin: You listed several, is there a tool of choice ? |
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| 09:25.18 | Growly | this is silly |
| 09:25.21 | davesharp | Ikarus: Do you know of any tools that could help? |
| 09:25.22 | ardy | is there a way to sync my iPAQ with linux? |
| 09:25.29 | Guerin | Garp: whichever one fickles you right right way |
| 09:25.38 | Ikarus | davesharp: netcat, chargen and a nice network tapping tool ? |
| 09:25.48 | Garp | Guerin : OK, I'll test the first and if unhappy goe for the next |
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| 09:26.19 | davesharp | lol, that's a pretty good idea |
| 09:26.42 | davesharp | but i'm no scripter |
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| 09:27.06 | Growly | omg |
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| 09:27.27 | Growly | apache don't even work with it's default config anymore! |
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| 09:28.09 | groton | hello all |
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| 09:29.50 | groton | im using "pinning" to get a package from the "unstable" or "testing" distribuition. usually i use "apt-get -t unstable install packagename" to get a package from the "unstable" dist. But how to search in the "unstable" packages only? i tryed with "apt-cache -t unstable search pkgname" with no luck. any hint? |
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| 09:30.41 | silas | groton: try aptitude or dpkg with -t testing |
| 09:30.50 | silas | groton: Err, dselect |
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| 09:32.19 | groton | silas, not dpkg not dselect support the -t option |
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| 09:32.58 | AlexW | so nobody can help with my error? |
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| 09:34.00 | AlexW | im using netinst (sarge) i get past Detecting CD-Rom then i get nothing on the screen (just blue, gray down the bottom) in (ALT+F4 window) i can see CDROM-mount failed (error=1) device=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
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| 09:36.00 | Guerin | AlexW: #debian-boot |
| 09:36.11 | AlexW | ive tired |
| 09:36.44 | Guerin | groton: you can't. Use packages.debian.org. |
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| 09:37.09 | Guerin | groton: well, noit with apt-cache, anyhow. there are some other toools, grep-dctrl, maybe? |
| 09:37.22 | Garp | thanks for the help guerin. rcconf is good enough for me |
| 09:37.28 | Garp | bebye |
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| 09:39.50 | groton | Guerin, well, grep-dctrl as a command, it does not exists here :) |
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| 09:40.43 | Guerin | !installit |
| 09:40.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | you might have to apt-cache search for it :) |
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| 09:41.20 | sKaBoy | what it the best way do disable a cron.daily script? chmod -x it ? |
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| 09:42.06 | Guerin | sKaBoy: deleting or moving it could work, too. |
| 09:42.15 | jazzmans | Guerin; where were you today when willis trolled for 3 hours here and in knoppix? you'd have had fun with the bastard. |
| 09:42.30 | groton | Guerin, wel, in the end the problem is that i cannot find a apckage for gtk2.6 on debian, that's it. in the website it is not even listed, so i guess it simply does not exit |
| 09:42.34 | Guerin | no, I must have been doing something productive |
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| 09:42.50 | Guerin | groton: what are you searching on? |
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| 09:43.06 | groton | Guerin, on the website, debian.org, unstable packages listing |
| 09:43.13 | Guerin | groton: no, what string |
| 09:43.14 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:43.24 | rmrfchik | is there way to make debian package from source tree which has not ./debian subdir? |
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| 09:43.40 | Guerin | rmrfchik: dh_make |
| 09:44.10 | groton | guerin: on apt-cache i'm grepping for "libgtk". On the site im searching for "libgtk", which in UNSTABLE lisitng there is no any occurence, While in the TESTING package list there is, but for 2.4 |
| 09:44.30 | rmrfchik | Guerin: which package contains dh_make? I have dh_makelibs only |
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| 09:44.35 | Guerin | !find gtk2 |
| 09:44.36 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gtk2' (14 shown; 63 total): devhelp-book-gtk2 ;; gtk2-engines-cleanice ;; gtk2-engines-crux ;; gtk2-engines-geramik ;; gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ;; gtk2-engines-highcontrast ;; gtk2-engines-industrial ;; gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue ;; gtk2-engines-magicchicken ;; gtk2-engines-metal ;; gtk2-engines-mist ;; gtk2-engines-pixbuf ;; gtk2-engines-qtpixmap ;; gtk2-engines-redmond95. |
| 09:44.39 | groton | wooo |
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| 09:44.47 | Guerin | !find gtk2$ |
| 09:44.53 | directhex|work | !find libgtk |
| 09:44.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk2' (4 shown): (/usr/bin/notebook-gtk2) in x11/notebook-gtk2 ;; (/usr/bin/lablgtk2) in libdevel/liblablgtk2-ocaml-dev ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pygtk.py.python2.3-gtk2) in python/python2.3-gtk2 ;; (/usr/bin/sylpheed-gtk2, /usr/lib/menu/sylpheed-gtk2, /usr/share/doc/sylpheed-gtk2/TODO-gtk2) in mail/sylpheed-gtk2. |
| 09:44.54 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libgtk' (15 shown; 98 total): libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev ;; libgtk-canvas1 ;; libgtk-canvas1-dev ;; libgtk-cil ;; libgtk-imlib-perl ;; libgtk-perl ;; libgtk-pixbuf-perl ;; libgtk-ruby1.6 ;; libgtk-trayicon-ruby ;; libgtk-trayicon-ruby1.8 ;; libgtk0-java ;; libgtk0-jni ;; libgtk1.2 ;; libgtk1.2-common ;; libgtk1.2-dbg. |
| 09:45.03 | rmrfchik | !find dh_make |
| 09:45.04 | Lord-Cereburus | good morning |
| 09:45.08 | directhex|work | bah |
| 09:45.08 | Guerin | rmrfchik: it |
| 09:45.14 | Guerin | 's in the dh_make package |
| 09:45.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dh_make' (3 shown): (/usr/bin/dh_make) in devel/dh-make ;; (/usr/bin/dh_makeshlibs) in devel/debhelper ;; (/usr/bin/dh_makenetlibs) in devel/mono-utils. |
| 09:45.30 | directhex|work | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
| 09:45.33 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.4.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2026 kB, Installed size: 4476 kB |
| 09:45.36 | rmrfchik | Guerin: thank you! |
| 09:45.48 | Guerin | hrm, curious |
| 09:45.59 | Guerin | I was sure 2.6 was in sid |
| 09:46.18 | groton | well, it seem the 2.6 is not here then, right? (what SID is? :) ) |
| 09:46.37 | jazzmans | sid = unstable |
| 09:46.40 | jazzmans | !sid |
| 09:46.40 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 09:47.02 | Beccara | is anyone able to help, i have a PCI decive thats showing up in "lspci" twice for some strange reason |
| 09:47.14 | rmrfchik | Beccara: what device? |
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| 09:47.25 | Guerin | groton: seems not. |
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| 09:47.33 | Beccara | sound card |
| 09:47.34 | Growly | i really hate madwifi |
| 09:47.44 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 09:47.46 | Beccara | i pulled it from another debian system where its working fine |
| 09:47.52 | directhex|work | Growly, i'm sure it hates you too |
| 09:47.54 | groton | Guerin, ok, many thnaks for the help :=) |
| 09:47.55 | Beccara | but in this system it shows twice |
| 09:47.55 | rmrfchik | Beccara: how it shown? |
| 09:48.10 | Beccara | i'll show you lspci in #flood |
| 09:48.37 | Beccara | pasted |
| 09:48.37 | AlexW | ill try http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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| 09:49.35 | rmrfchik | Beccara: hmmm... strange. try another pci slot? |
| 09:49.47 | Beccara | tried |
| 09:50.26 | Beccara | it still says its in irq10 no matter what slot i move |
| 09:50.41 | Beccara | but it will also say irq 12 or 11 depending on which slot i put it in |
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| 09:50.52 | Pelalil | I'm tailing a log and using about 2 greps, a bit of perl and an awk. But the log entries seem to get stuck in the pipes till loads of new entries are created. Is there any way to speed it up? |
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| 09:52.08 | Beccara | its a old hp brio, is there a bios setting it might be? |
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| 09:56.20 | Beccara | or is there atleast a way to swap the order of the sound cards around |
| 09:56.39 | Beccara | cos all the default sound apps point to a card that dosnt work |
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| 09:57.29 | Beccara | or disable the pci device inside debian |
| 09:58.03 | Guerin | Beccara: is one card onboard? |
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| 09:58.10 | Beccara | no |
| 09:58.21 | Beccara | it was pulled from a working debian install |
| 09:58.23 | Guerin | Beccara: just one sound card, showing up twice? |
| 09:58.27 | Beccara | yep |
| 09:58.33 | Beccara | well showing up twice in lspci |
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| 09:58.37 | Guerin | Beccara: which kernel, what soundcard, and what module? |
| 09:59.12 | Beccara | 2.6.8, Herc GTXP, cxs46xx |
| 09:59.54 | Beccara | Game Theater XP |
| 10:00.02 | groton | Guerin, i found the gtk2.6 in the experimental dist on debian |
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| 10:00.19 | Guerin | try removing that module and probing the alsa module |
| 10:00.25 | Guerin | groton: ah, of course. |
| 10:00.50 | Beccara | cant remove it |
| 10:00.53 | Beccara | says its in use |
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| 10:01.44 | Guerin | Beccara: put the output of lsmod |grep snd; and lsof /dev/dsp on a httpd |
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| 10:02.43 | Beccara | lsof? |
| 10:02.46 | Beccara | ag |
| 10:02.47 | Beccara | ah |
| 10:02.48 | ekaf | hey is that onjoin bot sposed to be there |
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| 10:03.13 | Guerin | ekaf: which one? |
| 10:03.19 | ekaf | Barbie_GiRl |
| 10:03.21 | idimmu | dpkg |
| 10:03.22 | Guerin | no |
| 10:03.23 | idimmu | oh |
| 10:03.25 | idimmu | ! |
| 10:03.31 | Beccara | ls of /dev/dsp is /dev/dsp |
| 10:03.32 | PitchforkLinux | Morning all. Looking for someone with jigdoo experience. |
| 10:03.41 | Guerin | !ops Barbie_GiRl is an onjoin spammer |
| 10:03.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Barbie_GiRl is an onjoin spammer |
| 10:03.48 | Guerin | Beccara: heh, no, lsof |
| 10:03.48 | AvengerMoJo | is there any tool to list all the link to a file soft and hard? |
| 10:03.56 | ekaf | Barbie_GiRl is away: ...::: FREE MOVIES (PORN) FILM! Don't Membership! Don't Money! Don't Registration!!! Http://HardSex.tr.gs :::... LOL |
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| 10:04.15 | Guerin | don't money? don't registration? |
| 10:04.24 | PitchforkLinux | I have a 7 cd set of woody r 3 and want to use that as a base for jigdoo to upgrade it to r4 and then burn new cd's any idea how to do this? |
| 10:04.28 | Guerin | it sounds like my 5th-graders wrote that bot |
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| 10:05.03 | AvengerMoJo | Guerin: ain't lsof show the program that lock the file... |
| 10:05.12 | AvengerMoJo | let me check |
| 10:05.15 | helix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.18 | Guerin | AvengerMoJo: yes, it is. |
| 10:05.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 10:05.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.96.88.16] by helix |
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| 10:05.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 10:05.23 | helix | oops |
| 10:05.26 | Guerin | ooh |
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| 10:05.41 | Guerin | now we know teh s3kr1t helis kick/ban alias |
| 10:05.47 | AvengerMoJo | ..... |
| 10:05.53 | AvengerMoJo | :P |
| 10:06.01 | AvengerMoJo | Guerin: :) |
| 10:06.05 | helix | heh |
| 10:06.09 | Guerin | helix: cheers :) |
| 10:06.18 | helix | :) |
| 10:06.20 | ekaf | hehehe |
| 10:06.23 | ekaf | thx mate |
| 10:06.59 | AvengerMoJo | Guerin: sorry I thought you were answering my question... |
| 10:07.01 | Guerin | helix: the appropriate response is "Nah wurries cobber" |
| 10:07.09 | Beccara | so noone got any ideas? |
| 10:07.11 | helix | ah, ok |
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| 10:07.20 | Beccara | all i really need is to switch the sound card around |
| 10:07.31 | AvengerMoJo | is there any tool to show the link of a file? |
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| 10:07.45 | Guerin | Beccara: did you put that info up on a httpd yet? I want to see if alsa fixes it... |
| 10:07.51 | docta_v | the link of a file? |
| 10:07.51 | helix | AvengerMoJo: ls -la file ? |
| 10:07.58 | AvengerMoJo | ? |
| 10:08.06 | AvengerMoJo | I mean the linked file name |
| 10:08.12 | helix | yes, ls -la |
| 10:08.13 | Guerin | wtf is the link of a file? |
| 10:08.17 | Guerin | the target of a link? |
| 10:08.18 | docta_v | haha |
| 10:08.24 | helix | Guerin: I assume he means a symbolic link or similar |
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| 10:08.38 | docta_v | must be tough getting around linux without ls -la |
| 10:08.55 | Beccara | Guerin, i dont understand what you requested |
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| 10:09.06 | Beccara | i cant remove the module |
| 10:09.06 | Guerin | docta_v: I still boggle at the number of people who don't know grep... |
| 10:09.08 | Beccara | it says its in use |
| 10:09.10 | AvengerMoJo | I mean the other way around of ls -la |
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| 10:09.23 | rsalazar | this may sound weird, but i'm trying to configure a serial port (/dev/ttyS0), because i cannot connect to the devices i plug in there (serial modem, serial printer). Permissions are ok, the device is 4,64 and it's owned by root, what else should i look into? |
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| 10:09.34 | tovella | i make an alias in /etc/profiles... |
| 10:09.34 | tovella | alias l = 'ls -alh' |
| 10:09.35 | AvengerMoJo | I'm looking at the orig file and want to know which file is linked to it |
| 10:09.51 | Guerin | Beccara: do lsmod |grep snd; and lsof /dev/dsp; and put the output of both commands on paster (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 10:09.58 | garvald | i've built a iptables-nat box with a dhcp server. Anyone know how i ONLY allow dhcp ip's through and not ip's people have manually set ? |
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| 10:10.10 | Guerin | !tell tovella about system wide |
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| 10:10.27 | tovella | actually my alias in /etc/bashrc |
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| 10:10.33 | Beccara | i'll do it in #flood |
| 10:10.35 | tovella | Guerin: what's system wide |
| 10:10.40 | docta_v | AvengerMoJo: I don't think there's a way to do that unless someone here knows different |
| 10:10.41 | Guerin | Beccara: no, I'm not in #flood |
| 10:10.58 | azreal | rsalazar; man setserial and the Serial-HOWTO |
| 10:11.13 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: hum that's what I thought... I know nothing .. so I try to ask |
| 10:11.18 | rsalazar | azreal: thanks |
| 10:11.24 | AvengerMoJo | :P |
| 10:11.27 | Guerin | tovella: i know, /etc/bashrc and profile are only read if there's no dotfile, but you ought just edit your own dotfiles, not the defaults. |
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| 10:11.36 | docta_v | a symbolic link is just a pointer to a file...you can have as many of those as you want |
| 10:11.46 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: right |
| 10:11.52 | docta_v | the file itself has no way of knowing what's linked to it |
| 10:11.58 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: unless you out of inodes :P |
| 10:12.14 | tovella | Guerin: but what if i want the same alias available to root, and to other users? what's the best way to do that? |
| 10:12.20 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: but using a tool able to figure it out |
| 10:12.22 | Beccara | i dont know howto use paster - i pasted info to it |
| 10:12.28 | docta_v | i think what you'd have to do is do a find command on symbolic links only and then grep out the target from the results |
| 10:12.47 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: at least I would guess someone would have done some tool like that |
| 10:12.51 | AvengerMoJo | :) |
| 10:12.59 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: just wonder :P |
| 10:13.00 | Guerin | tovella: edit root's dotfiles, and allow users to do the same. Put it in the skeleton file, commented, so users can enable it easily if they choose |
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| 10:13.16 | Guerin | err, allow other userrs to do the same TO THEIR OWN FILES |
| 10:13.16 | azreal | AvengerMoJo: yeah its called bash |
| 10:13.20 | Guerin | not to root's |
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| 10:13.37 | azreal | AvengerMoJo: you may have heard of it |
| 10:13.41 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: :) hohoho ok ... |
| 10:13.43 | tovella | Guerin: ahh, i'll try that. |
| 10:13.57 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: something like that :) |
| 10:14.04 | Beccara | Guerin try www.wtfhax.com/mod.html |
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| 10:14.41 | azreal | AvengerMoJo: its fairly common to link commands such as find and grep/awk to accomplish those sort of tasks |
| 10:14.57 | docta_v | it would be something like 'find / -type l -exec ls -l {} \; | grep <targetfile>' |
| 10:14.58 | AvengerMoJo | hum .. I know.. just wonder |
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| 10:15.23 | docta_v | that should do it |
| 10:15.24 | Guerin | docta_v: yeah, that's what I was thinking, I just got sidetracked talking about dotfiles |
| 10:15.39 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: you see locate and find could because replace one another but they get their area of exist |
| 10:16.19 | AvengerMoJo | that's why I ask there are any tool may have build before to just solve this problem |
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| 10:16.25 | eguzkia | hello |
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| 10:16.34 | Guerin | Beccara: your httpd is timing out |
| 10:16.42 | eguzkia | after apt-get update my modem stop to work! :( |
| 10:16.48 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: beside it fix two problem |
| 10:16.48 | Beccara | ok |
| 10:16.53 | Beccara | well i dont know howto use paster |
| 10:17.11 | AvengerMoJo | because then you rm a orginal file , this tool can help you quickly clear all the link to it |
| 10:17.13 | Guerin | Beccara: um, what's to know how to do? Just paste shit in the box... |
| 10:17.22 | azreal | AvengerMoJo: there is something that hunts for broken links im sure, hunt around on freshmeat |
| 10:17.25 | Beccara | i have |
| 10:17.29 | Beccara | now what? |
| 10:17.40 | Guerin | click "paste!" |
| 10:17.43 | Guerin | i mean |
| 10:17.47 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 10:17.48 | Beccara | i msges paster |
| 10:18.04 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: well.. the problem is ... I'm not looking for broken links :) |
| 10:18.05 | Guerin | no |
| 10:18.13 | Guerin | !paste |
| 10:18.13 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 10:18.53 | paster | "Guerin" at 222.152.61.75 pasted "kristine:~# lsmod |grep snd sn" (17 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/204 |
| 10:18.55 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: I really try to see what file in the system is linking to this orig file... but I think if I scan through the whole disk is kind of waste of time |
| 10:18.55 | Beccara | done |
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| 10:19.14 | Beccara | kristine:~# lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:19.14 | Beccara | kristine:~# |
| 10:19.18 | Beccara | http://channels.debian.net/paste/204 |
| 10:19.31 | PitchforkLinux | Anyone here with Jigdoo experience? |
| 10:19.34 | azreal | AvengerMoJo: no, it isnt, in fact find is very efficient. |
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| 10:19.39 | Guerin | !moron Beccara |
| 10:19.40 | dpkg | Beccara: You are moron #39 |
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| 10:20.03 | docta_v | lol |
| 10:20.08 | AvengerMoJo | azreal: I do agreed with find is efficient :) |
| 10:20.10 | Guerin | Beccara: when I asked you which module it used, you told me cs46xx, when in fact it's snd_cs46xx |
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| 10:20.17 | Beccara | its easier to just bloody paste in flood |
| 10:20.21 | Guerin | this is a very impotyant distinction |
| 10:20.29 | docta_v | AvengerMoJo: I pasted the exact command that you need to use...I hope you noticed that |
| 10:20.32 | azreal | AvengerMoJo: so take the example above, and apply it to your problem. |
| 10:20.36 | Guerin | Beccara: I don't do flood. |
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| 10:20.47 | Beccara | well either way i'm in the same position |
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| 10:21.00 | Guerin | Beccara: anyway, what does cat /proc/asound/cards; say? |
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| 10:21.02 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: ops sorry I didn't notice |
| 10:21.04 | Beccara | 2 card |
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| 10:21.06 | AvengerMoJo | :( |
| 10:21.06 | Guerin | piggeh! |
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| 10:21.29 | AvengerMoJo | docta_v: you mean using find to grep the link out right? |
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| 10:21.43 | docta_v | yep |
| 10:21.45 | paster | "Beccara" at 222.152.61.75 pasted "Cat Acards" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/205 |
| 10:21.49 | Guerin | Beccara: I don't believe it said '2 card' |
| 10:21.56 | AvengerMoJo | right that's what I'm doing ... I just wonder there will be another solution :P |
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| 10:22.06 | AvengerMoJo | sorry docta_v I do notice what you said |
| 10:22.07 | AvengerMoJo | :P |
| 10:22.29 | AvengerMoJo | or some tool will cache it like locate |
| 10:22.39 | AvengerMoJo | and do the same thing :) |
| 10:22.42 | AvengerMoJo | hehe |
| 10:22.55 | Guerin | wow, that's funkylicious |
| 10:23.14 | docta_v | Beccara: how is your sound card listed twice? only looks like once to me |
| 10:23.16 | AvengerMoJo | nothing just usability stupid shit ... :) forget it :P |
| 10:23.29 | Beccara | theres only one PCI card in the machine |
| 10:23.43 | docta_v | ok...and? |
| 10:23.46 | Guerin | Beccara: there is a way of getting alsa to use the second sound device, lemme see... |
| 10:23.52 | Beccara | all i need to do is change the default sound device from the first card to the 2nd card |
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| 10:24.06 | Beccara | theres only 1 device and its showing twice |
| 10:24.10 | jethro | how do I manage a bridge with /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:24.20 | docta_v | so just don't load the module for the one you don't want to use |
| 10:24.32 | Guerin | Beccara: I know. |
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| 10:24.33 | Beccara | there is only 1 module |
| 10:24.42 | docta_v | both sounds cards use the same one? |
| 10:24.46 | Beccara | yes |
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| 10:24.51 | Beccara | its a clone of the first card |
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| 10:25.21 | docta_v | there are physically two cards or only one? |
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| 10:25.27 | Beccara | only 1 |
| 10:25.36 | Guerin | that's the funky bit |
| 10:25.41 | Beccara | but debian seems to think there are 2 |
| 10:25.45 | docta_v | so where is it showing up twice...in alsa? |
| 10:25.46 | luctor | how can I see what prosess is using my sound device now |
| 10:25.53 | Guerin | they're using the same module, but different i/o and irq |
| 10:25.53 | Beccara | lspci |
| 10:26.02 | Guerin | in alsa and in lspci |
| 10:26.13 | Beccara | surely the default sound device is just a symlink i can change? |
| 10:26.13 | Guerin | luctor: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:26.22 | luctor | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:26.31 | luctor | Geert: alsa |
| 10:26.32 | docta_v | probably something with the driver itself then |
| 10:26.38 | Guerin | Beccara: I don't know enough about the way alsa sound devices work to go fucking with symlinks |
| 10:26.38 | AvengerMoJo | luctor: lsof but sometime if you are using like artsd it may not show |
| 10:26.39 | Beccara | nope |
| 10:26.53 | luctor | AvengerMoJo: using alsa |
| 10:26.54 | Beccara | same files and modules and versions came from a working debian box |
| 10:27.07 | docta_v | luctor: fuser might work too |
| 10:27.11 | Guerin | luctor: lsof |grep /dev/snd |
| 10:27.17 | docta_v | fuser /dev/dsp or whatever your sound device is |
| 10:27.38 | Guerin | Beccara: it might be worth asking in #alsa |
| 10:28.07 | Guerin | Beccara: this is funky enough that I don't guess it's distro-specific, it might just be a buggy driver. then again, it could just be a buggy kernel... |
| 10:28.18 | luctor | fuser only gave pid while lsof gave some additional info with name of prosess ectc |
| 10:28.35 | Beccara | its strange that its only when i moved the card over |
| 10:29.01 | rodney_ | anyone help ? problem is with xfree, when execute startx as root it will load OK but when execute as user it crashes just as the mouse/gui starts with no apparent errors |
| 10:29.05 | Guerin | Beccara: what version/module/etc was the old box? |
| 10:29.11 | Guerin | Beccara: same software? |
| 10:29.18 | efault | When is Sarge coming out? |
| 10:29.25 | Guerin | efault: when it's ready |
| 10:29.29 | Guerin | !sarge guess |
| 10:29.30 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 3 weeks, or see <guess>. |
| 10:29.39 | AvengerMoJo | rodney_: what desktop are you using? |
| 10:29.42 | efault | sweet |
| 10:29.46 | Beccara | yes same everything |
| 10:29.56 | Guerin | efault: be sure to /msg dpkg guess |
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| 10:29.57 | Beccara | 2.6.8 with same alsa-base deb from the same mirror |
| 10:30.03 | rodney_ | Avenger ... Gnome but i also thought i would try fxce4 |
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| 10:30.06 | rodney_ | xfce4 |
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| 10:30.13 | AvengerMoJo | rodney_: do you get write premission on /tmp? |
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| 10:30.21 | Guerin | Beccara: ok. Talk to #alsa then. |
| 10:30.32 | Beccara | will try, nonones awake lol |
| 10:30.36 | ange_ | anyone here who might be able to help tell me what i need to enter in lilo.conf exactly so i can boot with initrd? |
| 10:30.43 | AvengerMoJo | rodney_: or did you change /tmp permission |
| 10:30.44 | Beccara | i dont see it as a alsa problem tho |
| 10:30.54 | Guerin | Beccara: might also be worth asking the mailing list |
| 10:31.00 | rodney_ | no ... ownder and group are both root ... |
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| 10:31.06 | ange_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:31.16 | ange_ | anyone? |
| 10:31.18 | Guerin | Beccara: hrm, actually, do this... |
| 10:31.45 | AvengerMoJo | rodney_: drwxrwxrwt <--? like that ? |
| 10:32.03 | rodney_ | AvengerMoJo: yeah ... like that !! |
| 10:32.21 | AvengerMoJo | can you still start it with root? |
| 10:32.28 | AvengerMoJo | or no longer able to? |
| 10:32.31 | ange_ | okay .. great debian is not my kind of distro - noone can help me even boot into it |
| 10:32.32 | ange_ | so long |
| 10:32.33 | Beccara | ok Guerin |
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| 10:32.38 | rodney_ | yep, works great as root !! |
| 10:32.46 | xelam | bless. |
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| 10:33.06 | Guerin | Beccara: hang on |
| 10:33.19 | Beccara | ok |
| 10:33.20 | Txxuxxie | I'm trying to connect to a Debian server with telnet through a ssh-tunnel using Putty, but it just hangs... The Putty eventlog says WILL NAWS, WILL TSPEED, WILL TTYPE, WILL NEW_ENVIRON, DO ECHO, WILL SGA, DO SGA. Then it just hangs... |
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| 10:34.34 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 10:34.51 | Guerin | Beccara: echo -e "snd_cs46xx,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer" |sed 's/\,/\ /g' |xargs rmmod |
| 10:35.06 | Guerin | Beccara: tht should remove ALL those modules |
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| 10:35.49 | paster | "Beccara" at 222.152.61.75 pasted "Results" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/206 |
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| 10:37.53 | Guerin | Beccara: lsof |egrep 'snd|dsp' |
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| 10:38.16 | siimo | i am running kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 but how come there are no headers for this kernel in sid ? |
| 10:38.18 | Guerin | unless that shows something's using them, you should be able to remove those modules without trouble |
| 10:38.40 | Guerin | siimo: you might have to install -2- and get the headers for -2- |
| 10:38.51 | Beccara | whopa -all gone now |
| 10:38.58 | siimo | k |
| 10:38.59 | Beccara | now what |
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| 10:39.04 | Guerin | Beccara: ok, so they've all been removed? |
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| 10:39.07 | Beccara | yeah |
| 10:39.15 | Beccara | mpd in the background |
| 10:39.20 | Beccara | hoged it all up |
| 10:39.21 | Guerin | ah, cool |
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| 10:39.49 | Guerin | Beccara: now modprobe snd_cs46xx snd_pcm_oss |
| 10:39.51 | rodney_ | AvengerMoJo: any ideas ? |
| 10:40.06 | Beccara | done |
| 10:40.22 | siimo | thanks |
| 10:40.22 | Guerin | Beccara: same behavior (should be) |
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| 10:40.40 | paster | "Beccara" at 222.152.61.75 pasted "cat of cards" (6 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/207 |
| 10:40.51 | Beccara | yeah they loaded |
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| 10:41.03 | AlexW | would it be posible using the debian netinst cd to grab isos and mount them? |
| 10:41.06 | Guerin | so that's ruled that out |
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| 10:41.08 | Beccara | i checked out the cards file, now 2 cards listed |
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| 10:42.34 | xcyborg | where can I find a description of dpkg internals ? I mean how a package is [un]installed... what files uses from /var/lib/dpkg... etc ? |
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| 10:43.26 | Guerin | Beccara: I'm not sure where to go from here. Because it's that way in lspci, it seems to not be an alsa issue, but a kernel/pci handling issue. Because it's not fixed by unloading and loading the module, I can't blame discover/hotplug. I'd say ask #alsa if they've seen this before, or go ask someone who knows a lot about the kernel's pci subsystems. |
| 10:43.44 | AlexW | anybody have an idea about what i said |
| 10:44.40 | Active2 | AlexW: my scrollback isn't that long... |
| 10:44.59 | AlexW | lol |
| 10:44.59 | Active2 | oh looking wrong... |
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| 10:45.05 | AlexW | would it be posible using the debian netinst cd to grab isos and mount them? |
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| 10:45.24 | rhe | Hi ... can anyone recomment a good debian/postfix howto or book ? |
| 10:45.25 | Guerin | !possible |
| 10:45.25 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 10:45.42 | AlexW | or should i just extract isos to a directory on a webserver |
| 10:45.42 | Active2 | AlexW: you can mount the iso of the net installer if that's what you mean ? |
| 10:45.49 | AlexW | no |
| 10:45.54 | Guerin | rhe: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail[-sarge] |
| 10:46.25 | Guerin | AlexW: you can mount the isos using loopback, but I'm unsure if the installer can do that |
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| 10:47.08 | AlexW | ahh |
| 10:47.14 | AlexW | so just extract the isos to my webserver |
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| 10:47.19 | AlexW | and tell it togoto that mirror |
| 10:47.51 | Guerin | AlexW: you might need to do something to make it into a repository |
| 10:48.06 | Guerin | AlexW: but I'm not sure how that goes; I think debmirror is the tool |
| 10:48.50 | AlexW | so with netinst |
| 10:48.55 | AlexW | will it ask me what mirror i want |
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| 10:51.06 | Guerin | AlexW: yes |
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| 10:56.25 | AlexW | hrrm |
| 10:56.42 | AlexW | but i cant make my own mirror that easy |
| 10:57.04 | Active2 | why not ? |
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| 10:57.14 | axell | eccoci |
| 10:57.17 | axell | :) |
| 10:57.17 | AlexW | well Guerin says i need a debian tool |
| 10:57.32 | Active2 | dpkg-scanpackages |
| 10:57.33 | AlexW | i have a windows server running apache |
| 10:57.35 | axell | i'm a debian newbie |
| 10:57.39 | _diegoftp[btarg] | son todos chinos =) ... me voy al de spa :P see ya! |
| 10:57.40 | AlexW | i was just going to extract the iso |
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| 10:57.43 | axell | can i ask some questions here? |
| 10:57.43 | AlexW | (s) |
| 10:57.46 | Ikarus | Guerin: the installer can do that, but it requires manual help |
| 10:57.47 | AlexW | to the disk |
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| 10:57.48 | Active2 | AlexW: change that to a debian webserver ;) |
| 10:57.52 | AlexW | :P |
| 10:57.54 | AlexW | i know |
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| 10:58.01 | AlexW | i only have two computers my friend |
| 10:58.07 | AlexW | anyways who cares what os it is |
| 10:58.09 | SiliconViper | AlexW, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html |
| 10:58.10 | AlexW | still apache |
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| 10:58.17 | AlexW | thanks |
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| 10:58.33 | AlexW | i could just download the mirror.pacific.net.au rep |
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| 10:58.49 | Active2 | AlexW: you can make it with dpkg-scanpackages on a debian box and then copy it to the windows box... |
| 10:58.50 | AlexW | heh |
| 10:59.00 | AlexW | yeh |
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| 10:59.06 | AlexW | would that work with knoppix :P |
| 10:59.09 | Iconsumed | it seams only root can access the sound on my computer, and also only root can shut down the computer... what permissions do I have to change to make this go away? |
| 10:59.14 | SiliconViper | Knoppix != Debian |
| 10:59.17 | AlexW | kk |
| 10:59.18 | AlexW | sorry |
| 10:59.23 | SiliconViper | But it should still work, in theory. |
| 10:59.26 | AlexW | then ill just do a real basic install |
| 10:59.41 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, adduser <username> audio |
| 10:59.47 | Quinn_Storm | AlexW, take it from me you don't want to start with knoppix, it takes a lot of effort to remove the crud that comes with it, including nonstandard versions of vital base packages (mount for example) |
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| 10:59.57 | Iconsumed | ah |
| 11:00.08 | AlexW | well |
| 11:00.14 | AlexW | i could just use my mirror |
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| 11:00.23 | AlexW | i mirror.pacific.net.au |
| 11:00.29 | AlexW | and download the exact rep? |
| 11:00.30 | AlexW | true |
| 11:00.32 | KarlosII_ | what controls /etc/environment? |
| 11:00.39 | Iconsumed | how about the shutdown rights? |
| 11:00.47 | AlexW | http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ |
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| 11:00.51 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, I don't know.... |
| 11:00.52 | AlexW | what do i need to download |
| 11:00.55 | Iconsumed | ok |
| 11:00.55 | SiliconViper | KarlosII_, nano? |
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| 11:01.06 | Iconsumed | but thanks for the audio |
| 11:01.14 | Iconsumed | I'll go on the other later |
| 11:01.20 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, I'd ask why you want non-root users to have access to shut down... |
| 11:01.21 | KarlosII_ | SiliconViper: well something is changing back to lang=de |
| 11:01.31 | SiliconViper | Aha. |
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| 11:01.56 | Iconsumed | hey, it didn't work |
| 11:02.01 | Iconsumed | still no audio =( |
| 11:02.11 | bajas76 | Anybody who knows whats wrong with dotdeb.org |
| 11:03.06 | AlexW | if i have wget can i download the iso to /target |
| 11:03.11 | AlexW | netinst iso |
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| 11:03.15 | AlexW | and then mount it as the cd? |
| 11:03.25 | AlexW | because it seems apt_0.5.27 is missing |
| 11:03.43 | AlexW | the cd has just been burnt |
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| 11:04.25 | AlexW | is this possibel |
| 11:04.45 | SiliconViper | KarlosII_, dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 11:04.45 | SiliconViper | I don't know if that would work, but it might. |
| 11:04.46 | AlexW | if i have wget can i download the netinst.iso to the hdd then mount it? |
| 11:04.50 | SiliconViper | Also, if you have Knoppix questions, you'd be able to get more useful answers from the people in #knoppix. |
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| 11:05.02 | azreal | AlexW: yes |
| 11:05.18 | azreal | AlexW: if you have loopback support |
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| 11:06.28 | AlexW | loopback? |
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| 11:06.48 | Gumby | anyone here compiled hostap driver for 2.6.10 kernel? Mine refuses to compile due to missing files |
| 11:07.10 | SiliconViper | Gumby: Herm, maybe you should get the missing files? |
| 11:07.37 | azreal | AlexW: perhaps you should read some docs |
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| 11:08.09 | AlexW | lol |
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| 11:08.19 | AlexW | loopback == 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:08.27 | Gumby | SiliconViper: uhhh, sure.. gee, I never thought of that |
| 11:08.38 | siimo | is there a howto on getting X-sane to work as non-root user ? |
| 11:08.48 | AlexW | can u tell me the command |
| 11:08.50 | SiliconViper | Gumby, well, then I'm glad to be helpful! |
| 11:08.52 | Gumby | SiliconViper: its kernel-source files that dont seem to be in the 2.6.10 kernel |
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| 11:09.44 | SiliconViper | Gumby, if you're going to ask for help, it would be helpful to help those who might help you, by providing details. Which files? What errors? Specifics, not generics. |
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| 11:10.02 | SiliconViper | AlexW, 'man mount' |
| 11:10.21 | AlexW | omfg |
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| 11:10.27 | AlexW | i just ran accross |
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| 11:10.37 | siimo | i want to know how to use my USB scanner as non-root? it works fine as root |
| 11:10.38 | SiliconViper | And loopback has a different meaning when referring to 'mount', rather than networking. |
| 11:10.38 | AlexW | a bottable Debian 30r2 cd |
| 11:10.39 | AlexW | :P |
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| 11:10.46 | AlexW | why am i bothering with netinst |
| 11:10.56 | SiliconViper | Because netinst is for great justice? |
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| 11:11.10 | SiliconViper | Heya neeko. |
| 11:11.13 | AlexW | heh |
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| 11:11.51 | e2e | Hi, i've created a directory, in user's home directory, and i can mount /dev/hda6 to that directory as a user. But after mounting, directory owner and group becoming root, so as user i can't use it. How can i solve this? |
| 11:11.57 | AlexW | because i dont have a dvd drive in there |
| 11:11.59 | AlexW | *stabs himself |
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| 11:12.01 | typo | my LAN's bind seams to be acting up and failing intermittently. Anyone know what this might be? |
| 11:12.07 | typo | it had been working fine so far |
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| 11:12.38 | petemc | typo: did you try restarting the service? |
| 11:12.38 | typo | now when I use it I sometimes get: ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
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| 11:12.43 | typo | petemc: yes |
| 11:12.47 | St0n3-C0l | How do I setup QT ??? I've to install VyQchat |
| 11:13.04 | St0n3-C0l | I already downloaded its lib and other things from Synaptic |
| 11:13.04 | petemc | typo: you can get more logging with rndc querylog |
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| 11:13.46 | typo | petemc: how do I get that command? |
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| 11:14.16 | petemc | typo: if you have bind you should have it |
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| 11:14.30 | typo | petemc: not on the client |
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| 11:15.02 | AlexW | brb |
| 11:15.06 | typo | petemc: and I don't seam to have it on the server either |
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| 11:15.16 | SiliconViper | e2e, mount with -o users? or 'man mount' |
| 11:15.32 | petemc | typo: its part of the debian "bind9" package |
| 11:15.43 | SiliconViper | e3e: http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html/usr/share/man/man8/mount.8.gz |
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| 11:16.30 | e2e | SiliconViper, there is user option added to /etc/fstab |
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| 11:17.22 | SiliconViper | e3e: Here is what I would do. |
| 11:17.25 | SiliconViper | *e2e |
| 11:17.44 | KarlosII_ | can anyone assist with locales issues? |
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| 11:18.08 | St0n3-C0l | anybody can help me with QT ? |
| 11:18.24 | siimo | whats the windows key called on the keyboard? to use with gnome shortcuts |
| 11:18.45 | SiliconViper | e2e: I'd 'mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6 && mkdir /mnt/hda6/home && chgrp users /mnt/hda6/home && ln -s /mnt/hda6/home /home' |
| 11:18.48 | Quinn_Storm | I believe its mod 4...its used as a modifier key.... |
| 11:18.53 | SiliconViper | But that's kind of ugly. |
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| 11:19.25 | Zap-W | anyone know a traffic shapping tool better than The Wonder Shaper |
| 11:20.22 | e2e | SiliconViper, i think i can solve this problem with changing groups&permissions anyway, but my question is why this folder's owner becoming root after mount it as a user? |
| 11:20.54 | KarlosII_ | Zap-W: larc |
| 11:21.25 | typo | petemc: I needed "ndc" |
| 11:21.30 | typo | petemc: and the logs look fine |
| 11:21.41 | typo | petemc: seams like the response isn't reaching the client sometimes |
| 11:21.57 | Quinn_Storm | e2e, if the filesystem is a unix/linux one, I would guess that its root folder is owned by root |
| 11:22.13 | KarlosII_ | :/ |
| 11:22.37 | petemc | typo: then you should have said you were using bind8 |
| 11:23.07 | typo | petemc: sorry |
| 11:23.25 | e2e | Quinn_Storm, but i created that directory as a user and in user's home directory, so when it's owner is user, not root |
| 11:23.32 | SiliconViper | e2e: That's what mount does, unless you tell it to do otherwise. |
| 11:23.38 | Iconsumed | my /dev/dsp is owned by root and goup audio, my user is a member of the group audio, but he cannot use it, tho the group has right to, only when everybody has access to the file can I play sound... |
| 11:23.43 | Iconsumed | how come this? |
| 11:24.11 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, what are you playing with? |
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| 11:24.21 | Iconsumed | SiliconViper: mplayer |
| 11:25.07 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, OSS, or ALSA? |
| 11:25.26 | Iconsumed | well... alsa... with isa |
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| 11:25.35 | Iconsumed | I shouldn't |
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| 11:25.54 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 11:26.36 | Quinn_Storm | hey, I figured I'd ask here since I don't know where to ask and am running debian, does anyone know a better solution for networked audio than esd? specifically something where I can run the server under windows (currently using a cygwin build of esd). I'd like something with smaller buffers specifically, and equalizer support would be nice... |
| 11:26.38 | Iconsumed | is that the problem? |
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| 11:26.59 | ChristianP | does anyone know a method to reduce boot time? my laptop is 3 times slower than a windowsXP latop :( |
| 11:27.01 | typo | petemc: any hints? |
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| 11:27.14 | ChristianP | s/latop/laptop |
| 11:27.15 | jewel | i have a mozilla compiled with gcc3.2, where do I get a java plugin? |
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| 11:28.32 | petemc | typo: maybe try using dig +trace $domain |
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| 11:28.45 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, shouldn't be. |
| 11:29.13 | petemc | typo: tho tbh, any time bind plays up for me, restarting it sorts it, kinda like windows :) |
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| 11:31.10 | typo | petemc: I have forwarders configured but it seams to be using the root servers |
| 11:31.24 | typo | petemc: dig: Couldn't find server 'G.GTLD-SERVERS.net': Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 11:31.25 | Trewas | ChristianP: I haven't tried speeding up boot-times of my laptop but compared to few debian desktop installs (which boot far faster) the difference is that desktops have self-compiled kernels without any extra crud/modules etc, and automagic hardware detection is not used |
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| 11:32.44 | xcyborg | where can I find a description of dpkg internals ? I mean how a package is [un]installed... what files uses from /var/lib/dpkg... etc ? |
| 11:32.52 | mhale | im finding ftp.uk.debian.org kind of slow, can anyone suggest a faster mirror in the uk? |
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| 11:33.17 | petemc | mhale: try using apt-spy |
| 11:33.50 | petemc | typo: that shouldnt be a fatal error, tho im not having such problems. if its just a caching nameserver, why not upgrade to bind9? |
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| 11:34.11 | typo | petemc: I'm using woody |
| 11:34.24 | mhale | petemc: cheers |
| 11:34.31 | petemc | typo: right, its in woody |
| 11:34.38 | appie25 | "msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 11:35.54 | typo | petemc: right, didn't know that :) |
| 11:36.08 | typo | petemc: but it seams to be working now, my ISP seams to have new DNS servers |
| 11:36.29 | typo | how do I see what dhclient got as DNS servers? |
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| 11:36.43 | Quinn_Storm | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:37.16 | siimo | does debian use gnu make? |
| 11:37.27 | siimo | i get this error with mozilla source: *** /usr/bin/gmake is not GNU Make. You will not be able to build Mozilla without GNU Make. |
| 11:37.45 | SlayerXP | siimo: why are you compiling mozilla? |
| 11:37.54 | siimo | SlayerXP, because i want to? |
| 11:38.03 | typo | Quinn_Storm: ok, didn't realise it was dhclient that was writing there |
| 11:38.09 | siimo | SlayerXP, i do nightly builds |
| 11:38.14 | typo | seams to be working now |
| 11:38.21 | typo | petemc: Quinn_Storm: thanks |
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| 11:39.53 | siimo | SlayerXP, besides i think any linux program can be compiled on debian its a well established distro |
| 11:40.21 | SlayerXP | siimo: sure, it's just a waste of time for most people though |
| 11:40.39 | siimo | SlayerXP, im asking about gnu make |
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| 11:40.56 | jm_ | make is gnu make on Debian systems |
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| 11:41.05 | SlayerXP | siimo: what does "make --version" show? |
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| 11:41.21 | siimo | jm_, so i guess the configure script is wrong |
| 11:41.34 | siimo | SlayerXP, yeah it does show gnu make |
| 11:41.48 | SlayerXP | there you go then |
| 11:41.53 | siimo | this is stupid... |
| 11:41.59 | siimo | *** /usr/bin/gmake is not GNU Make. |
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| 11:42.08 | jm_ | siimo: try sh -x configure or check config.log |
| 11:42.22 | siimo | why doesn't the script point out /usr/bin/gmake *does not exist* lol |
| 11:42.33 | siimo | ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/bin/gmake fixed it |
| 11:43.06 | jm_ | heh |
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| 11:45.40 | zeeble | nemo: hey |
| 11:45.51 | nemo | hi |
| 11:46.05 | Iconsumed | SiliconViper: i fucked up, I tried to install OSS, but it didn't work, so now I have NO sound instead... |
| 11:46.15 | nemo | zeeble: how's life? |
| 11:46.29 | Iconsumed | however when I run sndconfig a testsound comes up... |
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| 11:46.40 | zeeble | nemo: decentish. work's like in the army. regimental :) |
| 11:46.49 | SiliconViper | Iconsumed, sounds like you got hosed. |
| 11:46.50 | zeeble | nemo: how's fireeating going? |
| 11:46.53 | SiliconViper | ;p |
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| 11:47.15 | SiliconViper | Sorry man, not much I can do for you. I'm off to sleep. It's 4am. |
| 11:47.15 | Iconsumed | I don't know what that means =) |
| 11:47.20 | Iconsumed | ok ok |
| 11:47.24 | nemo | zeeble: gave it up. bad lungs. but performance stuff is neat. might be getting a paid-for 3week trip to china in a few months |
| 11:47.24 | Iconsumed | good night |
| 11:47.33 | paueas | so.. rendeveous.. the front end which goes with mdnsresponder i guess.. whats the linux app that does what they call rendeveou in the mac world? |
| 11:47.34 | nemo | if the rest of the troupe get organised as much as I hope they will |
| 11:47.50 | zeeble | nemo: fsck. china :) go visit the Changbai moutains when you go there. its beautiful. |
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| 11:48.42 | nemo | zeeble: it's paid for. as in, I don't set my own itinerary much |
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| 11:48.51 | zeeble | nemo: oh. |
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| 11:49.06 | nemo | zeeble: when I pay my own way there, sure, I'll check it out. till then, I'm happy to go with the freebie and have to perform every few days to pay for myself :) |
| 11:49.16 | zeeble | nemo: hehe. |
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| 11:52.15 | AlexW | its installed :) |
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| 11:53.58 | petemc | paueas: im not aware of anything like osx's rendezvous |
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| 11:55.42 | zirikili | hi...how do I run the configurator for xfree? |
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| 11:56.31 | Penix | zirikili: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 11:56.43 | zirikili | Penix: thank you |
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| 11:58.46 | AlexW | debian is 1337 |
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| 11:59.05 | fmarostica | hi all! |
| 12:00.02 | nemo | zeeble: catchya later, gotto run |
| 12:00.06 | fmarostica | debian sarge have ncsa_auth ou smb_auth for squid? |
| 12:00.08 | zeeble | nemo: later. |
| 12:00.21 | flane | hi, i'm trying to get my shorewall configuration working within a shared hosting environement, but i didn't work. there i've got network interface venet0 (127.0.0.1) and venet0:0 (real ip) but in shorewall - zones i only can define venet0, right? |
| 12:00.28 | AlexW | hi fmarostica |
| 12:00.48 | AlexW | zeeble: cya |
| 12:01.02 | paueas | petemc, non of that serverless messaging between computers on a subnet stuff? |
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| 12:01.48 | paueas | petemc, trillian does it for the windows people.. but i can't figure out who does it for the linux people, cuase i bet its out there |
| 12:01.52 | petemc | paueas: huh? thats not what rendezvous does |
| 12:02.12 | Quinn_Storm | thats part of what rendezvous does actually |
| 12:02.28 | Quinn_Storm | it lets people on the same network segment auto-discover each other w/o a server |
| 12:02.43 | petemc | didnt know that, i only use it to swap windows about |
| 12:03.07 | Quinn_Storm | sub-etha-edit is one of the better rendesvous apps (used to have another name, don't remember it) |
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| 12:03.21 | AlexW | err... Kernel link failure info? |
| 12:03.27 | fmarostica | whats name of pam_auth package? |
| 12:03.41 | SiliconViper | Well, I'm off to sleep for the night. If anyone is interested, I've made a little script for Debian, sort of like an uglier variation of tasksel, with different packages, and a bunch of stuff I thought was pretty damn decent software. |
| 12:03.43 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/readme.html |
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| 12:05.06 | SiliconViper | Anyone with suggestions for what to add to it, can email me, or PM me, and I'll read it when I wake up. (my email is on the page). |
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| 12:05.37 | SiliconViper | Actually, now that I think about it... that's impressive, creating something uglier than tasksel. |
| 12:05.49 | SiliconViper | Anyways, sleep for me. |
| 12:06.04 | SiliconViper | Goodnight everyone. |
| 12:06.25 | petemc | Quinn_Storm: ignore me actually, im talking about exposé , quite embarassing :) |
| 12:06.38 | Quinn_Storm | petemc, its alright |
| 12:07.11 | WorkerII | petemc : How? Is it /ignore petemc!*@* all or something? |
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| 12:07.25 | petemc | WorkerII: try /disco petemc |
| 12:07.34 | SiliconViper | petemc, if you're looking for something like Trillian.... http://gaim.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:07.39 | WorkerII | petemc : Ahahahaha :) |
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| 12:07.59 | WorkerII | petemc : "You're not irc operator" |
| 12:08.08 | petemc | ahh well |
| 12:08.16 | petemc | maybe someday |
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| 12:12.15 | fmarostica | :( |
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| 12:12.28 | fmarostica | i want use pam_auth for squid? |
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| 12:14.00 | AlexW[2] | ramzi:~# apt_get |
| 12:14.00 | AlexW[2] | bash: apt_get: command not found |
| 12:14.10 | AlexW[2] | ahh apt-get :p |
| 12:15.11 | Bigup | yo les francais, vive debian ! |
| 12:15.42 | pingouin | mdr |
| 12:16.26 | jethro | !fr |
| 12:16.26 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:16.27 | izn0g | ^^ |
| 12:16.45 | pingouin | debian-fr sapu |
| 12:17.04 | WorkerII | dpkg : I speak very bad french though :/ |
| 12:17.04 | dpkg | WorkerII: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:17.12 | jethro | debian-fr maybe sucking goats but at least there you can speak french |
| 12:17.26 | pingouin | jethro: i dont want to ;) |
| 12:17.30 | jethro | pingouin: :) |
| 12:17.43 | Bigup | no discrimination please |
| 12:18.00 | pingouin | YOU start first ;) |
| 12:18.11 | jethro | that ain't discrimination, I m french as well but still I don't speak french on english channels, so please behave |
| 12:18.27 | fusion\afk | can anyone help me? I'm wanting to flush all ipv6 configuration on my debian box... |
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| 12:18.32 | chicas | holaaaa |
| 12:18.43 | WorkerII | jethro : If you want english only, please join #debian-en |
| 12:18.43 | Bigup | yes i understand, and i come for for english |
| 12:18.51 | chicas | algun xiko wapo xa pasar un buen rato a solas!!!! |
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| 12:18.59 | pingouin | lol |
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| 12:19.18 | Bigup | but i said all the french here just an happy scream of debian power |
| 12:19.31 | jethro | WorkerII: stfu |
| 12:19.33 | chicas | kien tiene mas de 19 años? |
| 12:20.02 | WorkerII | jethro : Language :-P |
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| 12:20.23 | jethro | WorkerII: if you want to behave in a stupid manner, lemme know and I ll just /ignore |
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| 12:20.44 | id_ | is it possible to use make-kpkg the way that cat/proc/version shows a non-root user ? fakeroot make-kpkg gives root@xxx.xxx as the kernel creator ... |
| 12:20.51 | pingouin | i would say «to behave as a french» ;) |
| 12:20.58 | pingouin | but i dont |
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| 12:21.51 | jethro | id_: you don't need to fakeroot to make-kpkg do you? |
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| 12:22.41 | id_ | jethro, if i dont use fakeroot the compilation stops after a while |
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| 12:22.59 | jethro | id_: perm issue? |
| 12:23.00 | id_ | i can do it as plain root too - i i do not want this |
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| 12:23.24 | g00se | What's most reliable way to find out what version Debian running, uname -a ? (not at box at moment) |
| 12:23.35 | jethro | g00se: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:23.47 | g00se | Cheers! |
| 12:23.50 | jethro | sarge/sid would show 3.1 |
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| 12:23.56 | jethro | where woody shows 3.0 |
| 12:24.01 | g00se | Yep |
| 12:24.03 | jethro | you can also check sources.list to make sure |
| 12:24.09 | jethro | wehter you run sarge or sid |
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| 12:25.50 | g00se | Thanks j |
| 12:26.03 | jethro | yw g00se |
| 12:27.33 | paulswm | !test |
| 12:27.33 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
| 12:28.28 | jethro | !list |
| 12:28.28 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 12:28.32 | jethro | ty dpkg |
| 12:29.32 | paulswm | quiet this morning (well EST morning anyway) |
| 12:29.35 | g00se | j, i wonder if you could run your eye over this quickly? |
| 12:29.37 | g00se | http://oldlook.experts-exchange.com:8080/Operating_Systems/Linux/Q_21285317.html |
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| 12:30.36 | jcoiron | I might misunderstand something : with Solaris, having some X terminals and 1 server was possible many years ago. With Debian, I found a terminal server, but what I want is to start a Gnome session on my PC from any PC (with Windows2000 at work or another Linux Debian machine at home), and have all the graphic calc to be done by my PC. Like VNC does I think. I still don't find on gnome.org or debian docs something to do this. would someone have a hint ? |
| 12:30.50 | WorkerII | .hint |
| 12:30.54 | WorkerII | !hint |
| 12:30.59 | WorkerII | ~hint |
| 12:31.13 | WorkerII | @hint |
| 12:31.13 | pingouin | :) |
| 12:31.14 | WorkerII | jcoiron : The bots don't seem to have any hints .. |
| 12:31.25 | WorkerII | Dunno about someone. |
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| 12:31.39 | WorkerII | !someone |
| 12:31.39 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:32.09 | WorkerII | jcoiron : I think you mean the other way around, right ? |
| 12:32.10 | jcoiron | o_O ? |
| 12:32.14 | petemc | jcoiron: gnome have an app called vino that may be what you need |
| 12:32.14 | scarynetworkguy | jcoiron: VNC and or get a cheap/free xserver for winders. |
| 12:32.52 | paulswm | g00se: if you are not switching distros, what was said here is correct. If you want to switch distros, then the debian reference is correct |
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| 12:33.20 | WorkerII | jcoiron : Debian can do what solaris did, I think. But you are confused about servers and clients in the X window system ... |
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| 12:33.27 | jcoiron | petemc: actually vino could be a solution, but it connect to an existing gnome session, not create a new one I think |
| 12:33.43 | petemc | jcoiron: you want a new session? /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 12:34.26 | WorkerII | petemc : Thats no new session, thats running remote clients on a local X server. |
| 12:34.38 | petemc | WorkerII: right |
| 12:34.48 | WorkerII | :) |
| 12:34.52 | WorkerII | Very neat btw. |
| 12:35.02 | petemc | i dont know what else to suggest, maybe original vnc is what he needs |
| 12:35.29 | g00se | paulswm: i *did* intend to switch, but i don't think i did, but i'm now glad i didn't (if i didn't ;-)) |
| 12:35.41 | jcoiron | well, sshx seem to fit my need, thx petemc :) |
| 12:35.52 | paulswm | g00se: funny :) |
| 12:35.57 | WorkerII | petemc : What about greeter / chooser? |
| 12:36.04 | petemc | never used 'em |
| 12:36.20 | WorkerII | petemc : Hmm .. we need him to explain what problem he is tryin to solve. |
| 12:36.43 | WorkerII | jcoiron : Whats your plan? You have a remove Debian and a local debian. And you want to log in on the remove gdm? |
| 12:36.50 | WorkerII | s/remove/remote/ |
| 12:37.05 | WorkerII | s/remove/remote/g |
| 12:37.11 | g00se | paulswm: was i right about |
| 12:37.14 | g00se | "Your last comment doesn't appear to tally with the following: " |
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| 12:37.47 | WorkerII | jcoiron : Or do you simply want a vnc that works like the windows vnc, connecting to the existing sesssion? |
| 12:37.53 | paulswm | g00se: you are using the distribution which your sources.list says you are |
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| 12:37.59 | gman4u | does "Maxtor 80 GB USB2.0 One Touch", work on debian |
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| 12:38.16 | WorkerII | jcoiron : If the latter is the case, check out xfvb-vnc or what its called. |
| 12:38.21 | g00se | i.e. apt-get dist-upgrade -dy or apt-get dist-upgrade -u won't upgrade to testing given my sources.list? |
| 12:38.31 | WorkerII | Oh .. I guess he died from drinking. |
| 12:38.50 | scarynetworkguy | gman4u: What does google say? |
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| 12:39.37 | scarynetworkguy | gman4u: If it is just a normal USB mass storage device then yes it should work just fine. |
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| 12:39.55 | gman4u | great,which filesystem, should i format it with? |
| 12:40.11 | directhex|work | gman4u, what do you want to use the drive for? |
| 12:41.37 | gman4u | music and films, backup |
| 12:41.51 | scarynetworkguy | gman4u: Depends if you want to use it from winders and Linux then fat32. If you just want to use it from Linux then ext3. |
| 12:42.12 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Welcome to a proper OS. :) |
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| 12:42.22 | flane | why do i need interfaces like venet0:0 on a vserver? |
| 12:42.29 | gman4u | thank you all!!! |
| 12:43.11 | scarynetworkguy | flane: WTF is a vserver? Long story short that looks like a NIC with a virtual address. |
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| 12:43.33 | scarynetworkguy | Secondary address I meant. |
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| 12:43.53 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: hey, not new to any of this except I didn't get cable until a few weeks ago, so actually being able to do networking like this is still a novel experience |
| 12:43.56 | petemc | or ip alias |
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| 12:44.01 | flane | scarynetworkguy: vserver is a virtual server. there are several virtual servery on one physical server |
| 12:44.04 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. |
| 12:44.25 | scarynetworkguy | flane: That would be the answer then wouldn't it. |
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| 12:44.49 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: the cool thing is ssh-ing through the proxy re. privacy |
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| 12:45.35 | flane | scarynetworkguy: if i only need one ip, i can remove it? |
| 12:45.47 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Yeppers. Now what we need to do is get several of us to build a thing to defeat traffic anlysis. |
| 12:46.02 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I'm in :) |
| 12:46.18 | jcoiron | WorkerII: What I what exactly is to have a PC running Debian and Gnome, and open a gnome session from a windows PC (not like VNC, this connection shouldn't bother a person who work with Gnome on the "server") |
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| 12:46.37 | WorkerII | jcoiron : OK |
| 12:46.48 | scarynetworkguy | flane: I have NFI as I don't know how vserver works but from what you are telling me I'd guess no. |
| 12:46.56 | WorkerII | jcoiron : VNC in GNU/Linux wont interrupt the current session(s) per default ;) |
| 12:47.07 | jcoiron | (sry for the time btw 2 msg, I'm at work) |
| 12:47.23 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. Maybe someday you are. For know there are only 3 people I know who I trust enough to work on such a project. |
| 12:47.35 | scarynetworkguy | And I have no time for it now any way. |
| 12:47.42 | WorkerII | jcoiron : VNC is probably what you want .. you can even log in a browser, using the java-vnc interface, I guess. |
| 12:47.52 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: But I will keep you in mind. :) |
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| 12:48.56 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: well, when you have time, you just let me know what you need from me to establish trust. I need something challenging and new to work on :) |
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| 12:49.33 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Coolness. |
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| 12:50.10 | HelmutG | how to make udhcpc receive dhcp answers? |
| 12:50.19 | HelmutG | tcpdump receives them. |
| 12:50.22 | AlexW[2] | - You will require a php binary in this mode which supports mysql calls |
| 12:50.22 | AlexW[2] | - Download from www.php.com |
| 12:50.24 | AlexW[2] | hrrmm |
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| 12:50.58 | AlexW[2] | where do i get these binares? |
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| 12:52.11 | xerophyte | does anybody know the name of the kernel module for Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82541EI i tried few modules i could not get loaded i need its exact name of the mdoule name for 2.6.x |
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| 12:53.06 | ledet | AlexW[2]: apt-get install |
| 12:53.35 | HelmutG | ok. how to debug dhcp? |
| 12:53.38 | pingouin | xerophyte: use modconf ? |
| 12:53.43 | AlexW[2] | yeh but what package |
| 12:53.43 | ledet | xerophyte: install modconf and play around with a few modules |
| 12:53.55 | ledet | AlexW[2]: apt-cache search php4 |
| 12:54.12 | xerophyte | ledet hmmm |
| 12:54.31 | AlexW[2] | apt-get install php4 php4-mysql php4-curl apache mysql-server |
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| 12:54.31 | AlexW[2] | ive run that |
| 12:54.36 | ledet | AlexW[2]: then youre all good |
| 12:54.52 | AlexW[2] | where are the binaries? |
| 12:55.02 | ledet | AlexW[2]: all over the place |
| 12:55.08 | AlexW[2] | LMFAO |
| 12:55.17 | AlexW[2] | it says to enter where the php binaries are |
| 12:55.17 | ledet | AlexW[2]: for example $ dpkg -L php4-mysql |
| 12:55.57 | AlexW[2] | hrrrm |
| 12:56.04 | AlexW[2] | obviuolsy i dun got the binaries |
| 12:56.18 | ledet | AlexW[2]: define "binaries" |
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| 12:57.09 | AlexW[2] | Download PHP from www.php.net and after compiling set the $_CONF['php_binary'] |
| 12:57.09 | AlexW[2] | variable in your config.inc.php file to wherever your php binary is (probably |
| 12:57.09 | AlexW[2] | /usr/local/bin/php) |
| 12:57.10 | SlayerXP | why is it that mysql and php are idiot magnets? |
| 12:57.17 | petemc | heh |
| 12:57.27 | pingouin | not fair SlayerXP ;) |
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| 12:57.52 | jcoiron | xerophyte: there's an installation report with an Intel Corp. 82541EI Gigabit Ethernet |
| 12:57.52 | jcoiron | Controller |
| 12:57.55 | AlexW[2] | but... php is already installed |
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| 12:58.05 | ledet | AlexW[2]: apache doesnt use the php cgi interface-thingie by default... use the apache module instead... it's already installed |
| 12:58.19 | jcoiron | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=248442 it may help ? |
| 12:58.38 | AlexW[2] | yeh |
| 12:58.40 | AlexW[2] | well |
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| 12:58.50 | ledet | AlexW[2]: what is it youre trying to do? |
| 12:58.52 | AlexW[2] | why would it want the binaries anwya |
| 12:59.00 | ledet | AlexW[2]: i have no idea |
| 12:59.06 | AlexW[2] | http://tunez.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:59.08 | AlexW[2] | install it |
| 12:59.16 | zakame | hello |
| 12:59.17 | HelmutG | hey guys. please help me debugging dhcp or i'll submit a bug against udhcp because other clients work. |
| 12:59.27 | pingouin | :) |
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| 12:59.44 | petemc | HelmutG: you can see dhcp broadcasts in syslog |
| 13:00.00 | scarynetworkguy | HelmutG: Ooooooooh. Don't scare us like that. |
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| 13:00.27 | HelmutG | petemc: yes. i can even catch them with tcpdump (| dhcpdump). |
| 13:00.28 | scarynetworkguy | HelmutG: What does tcpdump say? Beforee you know that everything else is just wanking. |
| 13:00.45 | zakame | hi, seems like 2.6.10-as2's vulnerable with the 'evil' code from 2.6.7... |
| 13:01.06 | HelmutG | scarynetworkguy: a lot of things. dhcpdump makes clear that it's an answer. if you like i can use some nopaste. |
| 13:01.07 | Guerin | zakame: ? |
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| 13:01.16 | Guerin | zakame: the old local DOS? |
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| 13:01.30 | Guerin | or crash or whatever it was |
| 13:01.39 | ledet | AlexW[2]: it probably needs it to run some daemon |
| 13:01.47 | ledet | AlexW[2]: try installing php4-cgi also |
| 13:02.02 | ledet | AlexW[2]: or run the perl-version of the daemon |
| 13:02.03 | AlexW[2] | hrrrm |
| 13:02.12 | AlexW[2] | yeh i was thinking that |
| 13:02.24 | scarynetworkguy | HelmutG: cba just now. |
| 13:02.34 | zakame | Guerin: yep. I was playing with file-rc this afternoon, when I saw a copy of the code in /root I compiled a year ago... ./evil && hang... |
| 13:02.49 | zakame | haven't tested with vanilla 2.6.10 though... |
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| 13:03.00 | Guerin | not a year ago, surely |
| 13:03.07 | Guerin | but yeah, that's not good |
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| 13:03.26 | Guerin | what was it, a fpu exception or something...? |
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| 13:04.06 | HelmutG | for those who are interested: my problem looks like this. http://paste.phpfi.com/47855 |
| 13:04.13 | zakame | Guerin: dunno really... actually spooked me off, since I was d'loading a 20MB file at the same moment... now trying again :( |
| 13:04.25 | Guerin | haha |
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| 13:04.33 | HelmutG | piping that through dhcpdump will show more readable contents. |
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| 13:04.48 | flane | where can i find help using shorewall? |
| 13:04.50 | HelmutG | anyway the answers are valid. |
| 13:04.56 | Guerin | !helpfile shorewall |
| 13:04.59 | dpkg | For help with shorewall, look in /usr/share/doc/shorewall There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 13:05.14 | AlexW[2] | Package zlib has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 13:05.17 | AlexW[2] | herrm? |
| 13:05.20 | HelmutG | udhcpc does not recognize them. |
| 13:05.26 | AlexW[2] | how do i install it then |
| 13:05.53 | HelmutG | the straight approach would be submitting a bug. i suspect another error but can't identify it. |
| 13:05.56 | flane | Guerin: i know but i'll use shorewall in a multiip environement and didn't find any solution, so perhaps you know some irc or other thinks |
| 13:05.57 | SlayerXP | AlexW[2]: are you using unstable? |
| 13:05.58 | Guerin | !tell AlexW[2] about search |
| 13:06.07 | ledet | AlexW[2]: apt-cache search zlib |
| 13:06.09 | zakame | flane: or take a look at man iptables :D |
| 13:06.12 | petemc | HelmutG: what is it you're trying to do, etherboot or something? |
| 13:06.17 | Guerin | flane: isn't shorewall just iptables? |
| 13:06.26 | Hezik | hello everyone.. i'm trying to get a bootsplash to work on a 'testing' installation with kernel 2.6.8. I followed the documentation to the letter, but there's a problem with vesafb. After boot if i do a dmesg | grep vesa it states: vesafb0: probe of vesafb0 failed with error -6. If i do modprobe vesafb it works without errors. I already tried vesafb-tng, to no avail as well.. i have an nvidia fx5200 vidcard but didn't install any drivers for it yet. I'm usi |
| 13:06.32 | HelmutG | petemc: exactly. |
| 13:06.37 | HelmutG | petemc: using lessdisks. |
| 13:06.41 | flane | Guerin: shorewall is a script using iptables |
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| 13:06.54 | Guerin | flane: ask #iptables then, or read netfilter.org |
| 13:06.59 | HelmutG | petemc: as you can see. at least etherboot recognizes the packets. |
| 13:07.03 | flane | guerin thanks will do |
| 13:07.03 | ledet | commonly referred to as "a wrapper" |
| 13:07.10 | Jel | flane: you need to edit the zones file for multiple IPs, not sure exactly how it all fits together though; seemed a bit flaky when I tried it. |
| 13:07.25 | AlexW[2] | thanks |
| 13:07.32 | heinzi | Hello all! Is there a problem with kernel-source package maintainance for woody? I have the impression that some recent exploits have not been fixed yet. |
| 13:08.01 | Guerin | heinzi: details |
| 13:08.03 | flane | Jel: my problem is i've got a net0 (127.0.0.1) and net0:0 (real ip), i can't change this (by ISP), but in zones i cannot enter net0:0 |
| 13:08.05 | Jel | any other options to make VBScript work on a linux browser apart from crossover office with IE? |
| 13:08.22 | AlexW | i think its zlibc im looking for |
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| 13:08.40 | AlexW | GeoIPUpdate.c:37: zlib.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:08.41 | AlexW | naw |
| 13:08.47 | Guerin | Jel: ftlog, why? |
| 13:09.02 | Guerin | AlexW: -dev |
| 13:09.08 | HelmutG | petemc: any idea? |
| 13:09.13 | heinzi | For example Debian bug #289708 |
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| 13:09.18 | AlexW | Guerin. where? |
| 13:09.27 | HelmutG | petemc: btw. server side eepro cards and client side sis900 cards. |
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| 13:09.34 | Jel | Guerin: ftlog? :) |
| 13:09.35 | petemc | HelmutG: fraid not, only experience i have of anything like that is netbooting sparcs, and it seems a bit different |
| 13:09.35 | HelmutG | petemc: any ideas? |
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| 13:10.10 | HelmutG | another point preventing me from submitting a bug is: |
| 13:10.12 | Guerin | !ftlog |
| 13:10.12 | dpkg | For The Love Of God! |
| 13:10.16 | Hezik | anyone here got a bootsplash working on testing at all? |
| 13:10.18 | petemc | HelmutG: tho general troubleshooting tips, like name of the file and perms on the file would still apply |
| 13:10.22 | HelmutG | pump takes longer than within other networks. |
| 13:10.24 | grozniy | Hi, Is there any GUI to control sevices ? |
| 13:10.29 | HelmutG | dhclient takes even longer. |
| 13:10.36 | Guerin | !services |
| 13:10.36 | dpkg | i heard services is have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton and /m apt-get install rcconf |
| 13:10.38 | AlexW | hrrrm |
| 13:10.41 | Jel | Guerin: ahh :) |
| 13:10.47 | Ikarus | the name services by itself is offensive |
| 13:10.48 | HelmutG | petemc: file? what file are you talking about? |
| 13:11.11 | petemc | HelmutG: the kernel image, i assume thats how it works |
| 13:11.18 | Jel | Guerin: because I'm dealing with government dumbasses who said their new system was standard html, and I know find out they're not only scripting simple links, but scripting them in VBScript :/ |
| 13:11.20 | Guerin | !services =~ s/rcconf/rcconf sysvconfig sysv-rc-conf/ |
| 13:11.20 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 13:11.31 | HelmutG | petemc: where we are is: the machin starts etherboot, *gets* an ip, receives the netbootimage via tftp, boots the kernel, extracts the initrd. then udcpc gets executed. |
| 13:11.42 | Guerin | Ikarus: I agree |
| 13:11.58 | petemc | HelmutG: ahh, well then ive no idea, sorry |
| 13:12.03 | Ikarus | Jel: right, sue them for being only supporting Microsoft :P |
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| 13:12.16 | HelmutG | petemc: udhcpc is the only client that is unable to receive replies. |
| 13:12.22 | Jel | Ikarus: hehh, I've thought about it :D |
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| 13:12.38 | petemc | HelmutG: "it hurts when i do this" :) use something else |
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| 13:12.54 | Ikarus | Jel: it is actually an option in many countries, the goverment is required to use open technology |
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| 13:13.04 | comadreja | how do I make the utility patch to create non-existing files ? |
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| 13:13.20 | AlexW | ./var/lib/mysql/mysql/host.MYI |
| 13:13.21 | AlexW | ./var/lib/mysql/mysql/host.MYD |
| 13:13.21 | AlexW | ./home/dchub/verlihub-0.9.8b/src/cconfmysql.h |
| 13:13.21 | AlexW | ./home/dchub/verlihub-0.9.8b/src/cmysql.h |
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| 13:13.32 | HelmutG | petemc: please tell vagrant to rewrite lessdisks from scratch. i won't doo. ;) |
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| 13:13.36 | AlexW | argh sorry |
| 13:13.40 | AlexW | very sorry |
| 13:13.44 | AlexW | wrong thing in paste |
| 13:13.46 | AlexW | dw |
| 13:13.49 | AlexW | ill work it out my self |
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| 13:14.26 | Jel | Ikarus: I know, they were supposed to be doing that when they started the project, and they actually told a great company that their tender was perfect, "except for one thing: They didn't use the word, Microsoft"! If I didn't have family in that company that would probably lose a contract, I'd be doing something for sure. |
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| 13:15.10 | AlexW | where do i get mysql.h from? |
| 13:15.26 | Jel | AlexW: (lib)Mysql-dev or something |
| 13:15.28 | jm_ | AlexW: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:15.31 | Ikarus | some -dev package for mysql |
| 13:15.34 | bender | hi - I have the latest php/apache etc, however I'm continually seeing the anti santy worm install itself on one of my servers. I've tried everything I can think of but I keep finding the damned thing is back. Is anyone able to help with making it stay away? |
| 13:15.37 | AlexW | jm_ searched |
| 13:15.41 | Guerin | !wayc AlexW |
| 13:15.42 | dpkg | AlexW: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 13:15.46 | comadreja | how do I make the utility patch to create non-existing files ? |
| 13:16.00 | AlexW | is verlihub in apt-get |
| 13:16.03 | Guerin | comadreja: eh? |
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| 13:16.10 | Guerin | AlexW: wtf is verlihub? |
| 13:16.18 | AlexW | direct connect hub |
| 13:16.22 | Jel | It's a hub for verlis :) |
| 13:16.34 | Guerin | Jel: itym verlii |
| 13:16.41 | AlexW | verlihub.sf.net/ |
| 13:16.57 | Jel | Guerin: ohh, perhaps I did. Sorry ;D |
| 13:17.13 | grozniy | Does any body knows any GUI tool to control services in Debian testing |
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| 13:17.46 | Jel | grozniy: rcconf? TUI rather than GUI, but it works. |
| 13:17.48 | Karhuton | I have to return a 160GB hard drive with 17G NTFS partition (hda1) and 143G ext2 partition for maintenance, and I'd like to protect it's contents from some low life in the comp store. How should I go about doing this? |
| 13:17.49 | heinzi | grozniy: What about webmin? |
| 13:18.06 | Guerin | ah, more warez trading software... just what the world needs. |
| 13:18.14 | Guerin | god no |
| 13:18.18 | Guerin | not webmin |
| 13:18.30 | Guerin | grozniy: and we told you - /msg dpkg services |
| 13:18.43 | heinzi | ok :-) |
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| 13:18.46 | Jel | lol |
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| 13:19.06 | Guerin | Karhuton: take the drive out and leave it in an antistatic bag on your desk. |
| 13:19.11 | Jel | dpkg is expensive :) |
| 13:19.11 | dpkg | no idea, Jel |
| 13:19.17 | Guerin | oh |
| 13:19.19 | Jel | ack. |
| 13:19.21 | Guerin | wtf |
| 13:19.27 | Karhuton | Guerin, I'm returning _the_drive_. |
| 13:19.31 | Guerin | you're returning a drive for 'maintenance'? |
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| 13:19.47 | Guerin | there are no user-serviceable parts on a modern hard disk drive |
| 13:19.49 | petemc | sending it in for a tune up |
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| 13:19.56 | Karhuton | Yeah. I was wondering if I could encrypt a small portion of the ext2 filesystem so the whole thing becomes unreadable. |
| 13:19.58 | Guerin | maintenance == replacement |
| 13:20.04 | AlexW | is there a mysql-dev? |
| 13:20.11 | Guerin | !kill AlexW |
| 13:20.14 | Jel | AlexW: apt-cache search mysql |
| 13:20.18 | AlexW | I HAVE!!!!!!! |
| 13:20.22 | AlexW | i cant see it there |
| 13:20.22 | Guerin | AlexW: fucking search, you useless bastard |
| 13:20.26 | Jel | AlexW: then read |
| 13:20.29 | Guerin | AlexW: then you're crap |
| 13:20.29 | AlexW | you guys said there was |
| 13:20.34 | Karhuton | Guerin, I know, but this drive isn't broken and maybe "fixed" with a firmware update. |
| 13:20.39 | Epkthar | postgresql ? |
| 13:20.49 | Guerin | Karhuton: uh, do drives have firmware? |
| 13:20.51 | Jel | AlexW: apt-cache search mysql | less, then type /, followed by dev, followed by return |
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| 13:21.03 | jona | Help me somebody, please |
| 13:21.04 | Karhuton | Guerin, atleast it reports one ;-) |
| 13:21.25 | Quinn_Storm | AlexW, if you need mysql.h, and you say you can't find it, you haven't searched. packages.debian.org, third search section on the page. I just did the search, its there |
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| 13:21.27 | jona | I have a problem with debian |
| 13:21.40 | AlexW | Quinn_Storm: thanks |
| 13:21.44 | Guerin | Karhuton: require that they provide you with a replacement drive if you care about your data. |
| 13:21.48 | Xtr3 | since debian is focused on standards, can i get a few peoples opinion on what name you think sounds better for a business focused on information technology? |
| 13:21.49 | Jel | jona: just tell us the problem, jona :) |
| 13:21.50 | jona | I'm new in Linux |
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| 13:22.13 | Karhuton | Guerin, what about the encryption thought? |
| 13:22.15 | Guerin | Karhuton: don't allow them to fuck with any 'firmware' without having made a full backup beforehand. Better yet, do it yourself, and then erase your disk. |
| 13:22.35 | Guerin | Karhuton: well, you can encrypt your drive... but that will take one fucking bejesus of a long time |
| 13:22.43 | jona | it happend that I delete bash and didn't install any another shell, now I can't login into my Linux. What to do? |
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| 13:22.47 | Epkthar | lol |
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| 13:22.54 | Karhuton | I was wondering just make it unreadable (the filesystem) |
| 13:22.55 | Guerin | jona: you fucking idiot |
| 13:23.01 | takatumi | heh |
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| 13:23.02 | AlexW | Sorry, libmysqlclient10-dev is already the newest version. |
| 13:23.04 | Guerin | jona: what the fuck did you do that for? |
| 13:23.11 | AlexW | thats where it is |
| 13:23.16 | Jel | Jona: do you have the cd you installed from? |
| 13:23.18 | Guerin | AlexW: apt-get install apt-file |
| 13:23.22 | Guerin | AlexW: man apt-file |
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| 13:23.27 | Guerin | jona: reinstall. |
| 13:23.34 | jona | Jel, yes |
| 13:23.36 | Xtr3 | which name do you think sounds betters & more professional for a business: cosmol or cosmal? |
| 13:23.43 | Guerin | Xtr3: neither |
| 13:23.47 | toresbe | Xtr3: neither |
| 13:23.50 | Xtr3 | damnit |
| 13:23.50 | Xtr3 | lol |
| 13:24.06 | Xtr3 | okay i'll think of something else |
| 13:24.08 | toresbe | Xtr3: I prefer supercalifragulisticexpealidocious |
| 13:24.09 | jona | reinstall it's an only solve of the problem? |
| 13:24.10 | Karhuton | Guerin, ext2 doesn't have some sort of table of contents portion, that holds the file structure? |
| 13:24.13 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: heh |
| 13:24.14 | AlexW | bah i had to re ./configure |
| 13:24.14 | toresbe | Xtr3: ...inc |
| 13:24.16 | toresbe | jona: yes |
| 13:24.28 | jona | Thank you all |
| 13:24.31 | jona | buy |
| 13:24.45 | Xtr3 | i was going to go with cosmol corporation |
| 13:24.59 | Xtr3 | but i wanted opinion |
| 13:25.00 | Guerin | sounds like a secret sociiety in Paranoia |
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| 13:25.14 | Guerin | and by derivation |
| 13:25.25 | Guerin | a branch of trhe stalinist government |
| 13:25.33 | Jel | jona: you can usually boot up from those in a rescue mode (read the on-screen instructions), and mount your hard drive's filesystem. From there, you can chroot into that filesystem, using dash (which should hopefully be there) as a shell, and reinstall bash |
| 13:25.41 | Guerin | whereas cosmal rhymes with dismal |
| 13:25.48 | Jel | jona: there's probably an easier way without the CD too. |
| 13:25.53 | J_P | people, i have this message when i start apache : Starting web server: apache/usr/sbin/apache: /lib/libcrypt.so.1: no version information available (required by /usr/sbin/apache) |
| 13:25.55 | Guerin | Jel: he's gone |
| 13:26.01 | J_P | what i need do to resolv that ? |
| 13:26.02 | Jel | Guerin: ohh :) |
| 13:26.06 | Xtr3 | hm.. i'll try to think of something else |
| 13:26.15 | Guerin | J_P: does it start? |
| 13:27.00 | J_P | Guerin: start ok, but i like know as resolv taht error/warning... |
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| 13:28.38 | website | what are the differencies between /usr/sbin and /sbin? |
| 13:28.54 | Ikarus | website: /usr doesn't have to be mounted in single user mode |
| 13:29.01 | Ikarus | and might actually be on NFS |
| 13:29.43 | Guerin | J_P: warnings are just warnings. Consider yourself warned. |
| 13:30.07 | website | is usr and sbin mounted before calling init? |
| 13:30.13 | Ikarus | website: no |
| 13:30.16 | comadreja | how do I make the utility patch to create non-existing files ? |
| 13:30.41 | website | sbin should be since init is in /sbin/init.... |
| 13:30.47 | comadreja | I mean I have a diff file with files that appear only in the newer directory |
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| 13:30.59 | Ikarus | website: /sbin, /lib and /bin are always on the / FS, so that even if the other partitions are broken or unmountable (network) the system can boot in single user mode |
| 13:31.09 | comadreja | when I apply the patch the newer files do not appear |
| 13:31.12 | Xtr3 | so any suggestions for business names since cosmol or cosmal sounds awkward? |
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| 13:31.30 | Ikarus | website: /etc classicly is also on / |
| 13:31.57 | Guerin | and no reason it shouldn't be, since nothing but a few hundred textfiles are in there |
| 13:32.21 | AlexW | what module do i need to join php and apache |
| 13:32.31 | Jel | Xtr3: pick what you want your company to represent, and go look up words for that in a thesaurus :) |
| 13:32.31 | Ikarus | Guerin: it has to be on there if you want init to work properly (inittab is there as first search location) |
| 13:32.33 | muppo | hello im trying to take pictures with my webcam its a logitech webcam pro 4000 im trying to use xawtv atm but i get this error message does anyone know what could be wrong or what ive missed? http://alpha.neotic.org/~muppo/problem.txt |
| 13:32.36 | website | but if i want to install a program that runs after Init is should place it in /sbin, isn't it? |
| 13:32.45 | Ikarus | website: wtf |
| 13:32.47 | Guerin | AlexW: you need zless /usr/share/doc/php4*/* |
| 13:32.58 | AlexW | lol |
| 13:33.10 | AlexW | so its not done automattically |
| 13:33.10 | Guerin | Ikarus: yeah |
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| 13:33.28 | Guerin | AlexW: seek and ye shall find |
| 13:33.32 | Guerin | AlexW: I didn't say that. |
| 13:33.35 | Jel | website: no, you make a script in /etc/init.d/, and links to in in /etc/rc* |
| 13:33.41 | AlexW | For the list of people who've put work into PHP 4.0, please see |
| 13:33.42 | AlexW | http://www.php.net/credits.php |
| 13:33.50 | AlexW | O_o |
| 13:33.55 | website | Jel, i need it in rcS an 01 time (before everything) |
| 13:34.07 | LootBeer | anyonehere knows how to install fonts to mplayer? pls help |
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| 13:34.23 | Jel | website: aah. Can I ask why/what it is? |
| 13:34.25 | Guerin | LootBeer: mplayer is extremely well documented. |
| 13:34.26 | website | since is is a bootsplash and it needs to start soon as possible |
| 13:34.31 | Guerin | oh god |
| 13:34.35 | Guerin | bootsplash |
| 13:34.41 | website | no a new version |
| 13:34.48 | website | all in usermode |
| 13:34.50 | Guerin | there are bootsplash howtos; use one of those |
| 13:34.52 | LootBeer | Guerin> i did install butm stucked at fonts installation? |
| 13:34.58 | Esaj | what would cause this error: "Xft: locking error too many file unlocks"? |
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| 13:35.06 | Guerin | LootBeer: apt-get install mplayer-doc |
| 13:35.06 | Esaj | it occurs when I'm using gparted |
| 13:35.06 | Jel | website: there are proper bootsplash kernels available that'll probably be much nicer |
| 13:35.06 | website | Guerin, this is a new kind of bootsplash |
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| 13:35.16 | pingouin | muppo: xawtv -hwscan |
| 13:35.19 | Guerin | website: wow. Does it do anything remotely useful? |
| 13:35.19 | website | Jel, this is a new prject |
| 13:35.23 | Ikarus | website: okay, grab hold of your CRT, lift CRT into a position directly above your head, now release |
| 13:35.33 | Guerin | sounds like UserModeBootSplash to me |
| 13:35.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:35.41 | website | Usplash |
| 13:35.46 | Guerin | !ikarus++ |
| 13:35.50 | website | i'm compiling a demo |
| 13:36.04 | website | for now it paints a blue screen |
| 13:36.09 | muppo | pingouin: http://alpha.neotic.org/~muppo/result.txt |
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| 13:36.18 | glick | excuse me do ipods work with debian? |
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| 13:36.37 | website | but i've to choose where put it since it shoulc be started at 01 time |
| 13:36.40 | website | any suggestion? |
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| 13:37.13 | Guerin | website: must it be run by root? |
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| 13:37.22 | Quinn_Storm | rcS.d possibly....or do you mean the binary? |
| 13:37.24 | website | yes because it uses a new functionale |
| 13:37.26 | pingouin | muppo: xawtv -c /dev/v4l/video0 -geometry 320x240-0-0& |
| 13:37.32 | Guerin | sbin |
| 13:37.32 | website | with framebuffer devices |
| 13:37.37 | website | ok thanks |
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| 13:38.17 | Jel | website: a kernel + an executable replacement for init would be the obvious choice... :) |
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| 13:38.56 | website | Jel, our target is to "not touch" the kernel |
| 13:39.00 | WorkerII | Jel : There is no webserver embedded in the kernel anymore, I guess. |
| 13:39.11 | website | and it will be more useful |
| 13:39.12 | Guerin | and hopefully not to fuck with init either |
| 13:39.13 | MrKrystal | hi. How to know where a binary comes from (from wich package) ? |
| 13:39.15 | Ikarus | website: replace init then, and let your program exec() init |
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| 13:39.21 | website | and more configurable than other bootsplash |
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| 13:39.27 | AlexW | how do i get a testing package |
| 13:39.34 | Jel | WorkerII: I didn't see him mention a website |
| 13:39.40 | Guerin | AlexW: what are you running now? |
| 13:39.42 | muppo | pingouin: http://alpha.neotic.org/~muppo/result.txt |
| 13:39.42 | WorkerII | Jel : Neither did I. |
| 13:39.48 | AlexW | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=opendchub&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 13:39.52 | website | Ikarus: it should be init copatible not init sostitute |
| 13:39.54 | WorkerII | Jel : However, that is his nick. :-) |
| 13:40.03 | Ikarus | website: it launches INIT |
| 13:40.11 | Ikarus | how on earth can it be init incompaitible then |
| 13:40.32 | website | why should not init launch usplash (the bootsplash)? |
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| 13:40.49 | pingouin | muppo: try wihout the -geometry parameter |
| 13:40.51 | AlexW | http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/opendchub/opendchub_0.7.14-1.2_i386.deb |
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| 13:40.59 | AlexW | can i just install debs? |
| 13:41.11 | Guerin | AlexW: no. use apt-get. |
| 13:41.20 | AlexW | dpkg -i .deb |
| 13:41.22 | muppo | pingouin: nope i get the same |
| 13:41.23 | AlexW | ok |
| 13:41.26 | Guerin | cue whining about how it's not in apt-get |
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| 13:41.30 | spanshdeb | with dpkg -i package_u_want_install.deb |
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| 13:41.33 | Guerin | no |
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| 13:41.42 | xelam | Guerin: yep. |
| 13:41.43 | spanshdeb | dont forget dependences |
| 13:41.43 | Guerin | don't just randomly install programs |
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| 13:41.46 | AlexW | ok so how do i enable testing repo? |
| 13:41.48 | Guerin | never ever do that |
| 13:41.49 | WorkerII | !maint package_u_want_install |
| 13:41.49 | muppo | pingouin: could ive missed something in the kernel or? |
| 13:41.51 | pingouin | muppo: apt-get install camstream |
| 13:41.54 | Guerin | and never mix stable with testing |
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| 13:42.04 | WorkerII | spanshdeb : [dpkg(~dpkg@dpkg.user)] Package 'package_u_want_install' does not exist. |
| 13:42.13 | xelam | Guerin: works for me |
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| 13:42.20 | pingouin | muppo: you have build your kernel with you're cam suport ? i guess the xawtv -hwscan see the cam no ? |
| 13:42.23 | Guerin | xelam: your time is gonna come. |
| 13:42.28 | AlexW | ok ill just compile it then |
| 13:42.32 | muppo | pingouin: aye indeed |
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| 13:42.39 | Guerin | AlexW: you didn't answer my question |
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| 13:42.54 | xelam | Guerin: shrug |
| 13:42.54 | pingouin | muppo: grab/build thsis http://www.vanheusden.com/setpwc/ |
| 13:42.57 | AlexW | hrrrm |
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| 13:43.00 | Guerin | AlexW: what distro are you using now |
| 13:43.03 | Guerin | ? |
| 13:43.04 | pingouin | muppo: setpwc allow us to control the cam |
| 13:43.04 | AlexW | debian |
| 13:43.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:43.12 | muppo | oki |
| 13:43.13 | AlexW | 30r2 |
| 13:43.18 | Guerin | ok. |
| 13:43.26 | pingouin | muppo: Logitech QuickCam 4000 Pro is in |
| 13:43.36 | Guerin | AlexW: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:43.59 | Guerin | AlexW: also, man apt-get, look for build-dep |
| 13:44.14 | muppo | pingouin: yeah i saw it |
| 13:44.28 | AlexW | wouldnt just installing the deb be easier? |
| 13:44.29 | pingouin | muppo: got it ? |
| 13:44.38 | spanshdeb | alguien sabe la configuración de las xfree para vmware |
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| 13:44.41 | muppo | pingouin: yepp |
| 13:44.54 | Guerin | AlexW: it might or might not work. It IS an _all.deb, though. What does it depend upon? |
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| 13:45.04 | Guerin | AlexW: as in, what scripting language is it written in? |
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| 13:45.04 | spanshdeb | alguien sabe la configuración de las xfree para vmware |
| 13:45.06 | pingouin | muppo: usefull, also check the right on the /dev/video* /dev/v4l/video* |
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| 13:45.18 | AlexW | no idea |
| 13:45.20 | elnovato | spanshdeb: vete a #debian-es pendejo!! |
| 13:45.22 | AlexW | ill just complie it |
| 13:45.22 | Guerin | spanshdeb: #debian-es |
| 13:45.32 | AlexW | thatd be more stable |
| 13:45.42 | Guerin | AlexW: no, almost certainly not. |
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| 13:45.45 | spanshdeb | pendejo tu madre |
| 13:45.48 | AlexW | why |
| 13:45.50 | Guerin | !cluedrill AlexW |
| 13:45.51 | pingouin | muppo: i got my cam in /dev/video1 and /dev/video0 not in /dev/v4l |
| 13:45.55 | daxxar | Can't locate loadable object for module DBD::mysql in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/Mysql.pm line 13' -- what could cause this on a debian stable? |
| 13:45.57 | AlexW | its just a server |
| 13:46.13 | pingouin | so muppo : setpwc -p |
| 13:46.13 | muppo | ah ok pingouin whats the differens? |
| 13:46.14 | elnovato | please provide me with a link to download an small iso net install sarge ??? PLZ |
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| 13:46.23 | Phated | elnovato: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 13:46.24 | Guerin | AlexW: because you'd almost certainly fuck it up; and you'd end up installing it outside the debian package management system, and you would break things. |
| 13:46.26 | SlayerXP | daxxar: you don't have DBD::mysql installed |
| 13:46.33 | pingouin | muppo: i dont know..that's a point....that we maybe check |
| 13:46.35 | xelam | elnovato: look on debian.org |
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| 13:46.42 | muppo | hehe okej pingouin |
| 13:46.56 | Guerin | AlexW: JUST a server? JUST something which allows data in and out of your box, probably running as root and potentially exploitable? |
| 13:46.58 | xelam | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:47.02 | AlexW | Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list ? |
| 13:47.09 | Jel | speaking of perl... anyone getting errors about utf8_heavy? |
| 13:47.13 | AlexW | not running as root |
| 13:47.15 | muppo | pingouin: you want the result? |
| 13:47.15 | AlexW | running as dchub |
| 13:47.20 | pingouin | yeah |
| 13:47.23 | AlexW | but anyway |
| 13:47.27 | Guerin | AlexW: backtrack to the packages.debian.org page for that program |
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| 13:47.39 | pingouin | muppo: nice server way ;) |
| 13:47.44 | muppo | thx =) |
| 13:48.06 | AlexW | hrrm |
| 13:48.19 | Guerin | AlexW: look at the dependencies and check to see whether your system meets them. Check what's available on woody with /msg dpkg info packagename |
| 13:48.49 | muppo | pingouin: http://alpha.neotic.org/~muppo/result.txt |
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| 13:49.56 | daxxar | SlayerXP, hm. I'll look at that. :) |
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| 13:50.09 | pingouin | muppo: xawtv -c /dev/v4l/video0 -geometry 160x120-0-0& |
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| 13:50.28 | pingouin | muppo: the /dev/v4l/video0 according xawtv -hwscan |
| 13:50.34 | muppo | indeed pingouin it works =) |
| 13:50.40 | AlexW | libc6.1 which is testing i think i dont got it, |
| 13:50.51 | pingouin | muppo: you got you're cam ? |
| 13:50.56 | muppo | aye |
| 13:50.57 | muppo | it works |
| 13:50.59 | muppo | =)) |
| 13:51.00 | pingouin | cool ;) |
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| 13:51.03 | muppo | hehe yeah |
| 13:51.06 | muppo | thx alot pingouin =) |
| 13:51.09 | pingouin | i love when it's work |
| 13:51.13 | muppo | hehe |
| 13:51.14 | muppo | me 2 |
| 13:51.20 | pingouin | so now : |
| 13:51.23 | muppo | you rock pingouin =) |
| 13:51.26 | daxxar | SlayerXP, using perl -MCPAN -e 'install "DBD::mysql"' gives me 17/18 tests failed. :p |
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| 13:51.33 | daxxar | Failed 17/18 test scripts, 5.56% okay. 727/730 subtests failed, 0.41% okay. |
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| 13:51.43 | SlayerXP | !moron daxxar |
| 13:51.43 | dpkg | daxxar: You are moron #33 |
| 13:51.48 | shakparl | ror |
| 13:51.52 | daxxar | Thanks. :-) |
| 13:51.53 | AlexW | so i shouldnt install? |
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| 13:52.07 | muppo | pingouin: cant i make the windows size bigger? |
| 13:52.08 | SlayerXP | daxxar: there are debian packages for the vast majority of perl modules, use those. |
| 13:52.11 | Guerin | AlexW: follow the instructions for simple sid backport, then. |
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| 13:52.32 | Guerin | daxxar: and if this isn't packaged for debian, build debian packages with dh-make-perl |
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| 13:52.56 | daxxar | SlayerXP, well, aptget and CPAN installs modules at different places, so it causes a DLLHell-like environment. |
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| 13:53.00 | AlexW | ok |
| 13:53.01 | daxxar | Oh well. |
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| 13:53.06 | pingouin | muppo: it's the geometry parameter |
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| 13:53.06 | Guerin | daxxar: not if you do it properly |
| 13:53.17 | pingouin | muppo: but it's have to suit the rule of you're cam |
| 13:53.21 | AlexW | so after stable main put testing? |
| 13:53.28 | Guerin | AlexW: no. |
| 13:53.28 | pingouin | muppo: for the fps/with/heigt |
| 13:53.33 | Guerin | AlexW: man sources.list |
| 13:53.45 | muppo | ah ok pingouin, so you cant change it in some way? |
| 13:53.53 | Guerin | AlexW: hint: you want a line which starts with deb-src and has "sid" in it |
| 13:53.56 | muppo | like lower the fps or something? |
| 13:54.07 | daxxar | Guerin, mhm. |
| 13:54.09 | pingouin | muppo: setpwc -c0 -q1 -f30 (c compression -q noise quality -f fps) |
| 13:54.30 | pingouin | muppo: if the return is error is that the parameters is not suported by you're cam |
| 13:54.46 | daxxar | Guerin, and, the libdbd-mysql-perl package is installed. |
| 13:54.51 | pingouin | muppo: to change the X-Y in xawtv use the -geometry |
| 13:54.53 | daxxar | s/Guerin/SlayerXP/ |
| 13:55.05 | pingouin | muppo: xawtv -c /dev/v4l/video0 -geometry 320x240-0-0& |
| 13:55.13 | AlexW | cant see shit |
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| 13:55.23 | pingouin | muppo: setpwc -h |
| 13:55.23 | WorkerII | AlexW : Then make some, and turn around. |
| 13:55.36 | AlexW | lol |
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| 13:56.02 | WorkerII | AlexW : If you still can't, _then_ take your eyes to a doctor. :-) |
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| 13:56.05 | muppo | thx pingouin =) |
| 13:56.11 | AlexW | i cant see sid anywhere |
| 13:56.28 | WorkerII | AlexW : Then yoiu have to brake your toys yourself, no? |
| 13:56.31 | Guerin | AlexW: christ |
| 13:56.44 | Guerin | AlexW: the exact line you want is not on that manpage |
| 13:56.48 | Guerin | you have to MAKE one |
| 13:57.05 | pingouin | muppo: apt-get install camstream |
| 13:57.06 | AlexW | i understand |
| 13:57.09 | AlexW | but i have read the manual |
| 13:57.12 | Guerin | that's what doing things yourself means - you make things, rather than relying on your distributor to make them for you |
| 13:57.14 | muppo | pingouin: i already installed that |
| 13:57.24 | pingouin | muppo: so camstream and check in it |
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| 13:57.48 | shakparl | is there a horde-like web interface for the imapd built into 2.6/sarge? |
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| 13:57.54 | shakparl | that i can just apt-get |
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| 13:58.08 | Guerin | shakparl: which imapd is built into 2.6/sarge? |
| 13:58.14 | Guerin | because I wasn't aware of one |
| 13:58.28 | Guerin | in fact, if such a thing existed, I'd probably stop using debian altogether |
| 13:58.29 | shakparl | guerin: i stand corrected, although i don't remember having to manually install one |
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| 13:58.42 | J_P | Guerin: i found problem... |
| 13:58.44 | muppo | bah pingouin i think its the max size =/ |
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| 13:58.56 | Guerin | shakparl: well, most webmail suites interface fine with any imapd |
| 13:58.57 | AlexW | i give up |
| 13:59.01 | can-o-worms | how do you run that mail config script again? dpkg-reconfigure.... |
| 13:59.04 | AlexW | ill just install the deb :P |
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| 13:59.07 | Guerin | shakparl: and plenty of them are apt-gettable |
| 13:59.11 | petemc | can-o-worms: exim3 or 4? |
| 13:59.14 | Guerin | AlexW: good luck with that. |
| 13:59.18 | shakparl | guerin: any suggestions? |
| 13:59.21 | can-o-worms | petemc: exim4 |
| 13:59.27 | muppo | so pingouin if i wanna stream it so others can wathc me how would i do that? do you know? |
| 13:59.29 | petemc | can-o-worms: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:59.33 | AlexW | or put testing after stable main |
| 13:59.34 | can-o-worms | petemc: thanks |
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| 13:59.48 | J_P | Guerin: i am doing one embedded debina... to 256mb, then i are using ext2, now i pass e2fsck /dev/hda1 and i say "y" for fix blocks.. I reboot and start apache ok, Why that ? |
| 14:00.12 | Guerin | J_P: filesystem corruption. |
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| 14:00.38 | pingouin | muppo: several choise depends...i used this one : http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~elysium/programming.html need java to run stream |
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| 14:00.46 | AlexW | deb-src http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ stable main |
| 14:00.49 | AlexW | deb-src http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ stable main testing |
| 14:00.51 | AlexW | correct? |
| 14:00.56 | pingouin | muppo: not to upload a shoot |
| 14:01.10 | jahi | Hi, does someone know, how to start an Eterm without the scrollbar? |
| 14:01.17 | Guerin | AlexW: do you want to install source packages from stable or testing? |
| 14:01.29 | pingouin | muppo: also check : http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ for softwares... |
| 14:01.29 | Guerin | jahi: man eterm knows |
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| 14:01.32 | pingouin | http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 14:01.32 | themusicgod1 | is there a way to Not alllow C-M-Backspace to kill the x server? |
| 14:01.39 | AlexW | testing |
| 14:01.46 | pingouin | themusicgod1: initab no ? |
| 14:01.47 | AlexW | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/opendchub |
| 14:01.49 | themusicgod1 | ok |
| 14:02.02 | jahi | Guerin: i didnt found it in there :( there is -s which will show it and -B type ... |
| 14:02.09 | muppo | aye i will do pingouin, dude thx alot! |
| 14:02.10 | Quinn_Storm | themusicgod1, I think its like nozap or something...in the x conf file...look in the man pages for it |
| 14:02.19 | themusicgod1 | thanks |
| 14:02.23 | Guerin | AlexW: so remove the second 'testing' from that line, and replace 'stable' with 'testing' |
| 14:02.27 | Parker | Is it Blu-ray or HD-DVD (I think that's what it's called) that can hold up to 200Gb? |
| 14:02.30 | J_P | Guerin: I think ex3/reiserfs is better for this right ? |
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| 14:02.51 | pingouin | themusicgod1: i got this in mine : # What to do when CTRL-ALT-DEL is pressed. |
| 14:02.54 | AlexW | second testing hmm |
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| 14:03.21 | Guerin | J_P: yes and no. ext3 doesn't require a fsck after power failure. ricerfs doesn't HAVE a fsck worth the name, so that's definitely in the "worse" category |
| 14:03.33 | Guerin | Parker: neither |
| 14:03.36 | Quinn_Storm | pingouin, he's not talking about that |
| 14:03.37 | snsj | e ai |
| 14:03.44 | AlexW | is there a second testing in that line? |
| 14:03.46 | Quinn_Storm | pingouin, he's talking about control+alt+backspace shutting down the X server |
| 14:03.49 | Guerin | AlexW: only one |
| 14:03.57 | Guerin | and no 'stable' |
| 14:04.02 | AlexW | (Guerin) AlexW: so remove the second 'testing' from that line, and replace 'stable' with 'testing' |
| 14:04.11 | Guerin | yes |
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| 14:04.16 | Guerin | what isn't clear about that |
| 14:04.19 | Guerin | ? |
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| 14:04.25 | AlexW | meh |
| 14:04.28 | AlexW | i get ya |
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| 14:04.49 | AlexW | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.pacific.net.au testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.pacific.net.au_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 14:05.05 | Guerin | AlexW: no shit |
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| 14:05.21 | AlexW | hrrm? |
| 14:05.25 | Guerin | AlexW: think reeeal hard. |
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| 14:05.50 | AlexW | argh my brain hurts |
| 14:05.52 | AlexW | can u help? |
| 14:06.03 | Phated | apt-get update? |
| 14:06.09 | Guerin | AlexW: what must you do after changing your sources.list |
| 14:06.19 | AlexW | apt-get update |
| 14:06.25 | AlexW | but doesnt that update my computer |
| 14:06.26 | Guerin | Phated: make sure you get the silver platter back |
| 14:06.33 | Phated | Guerin: Yessir. |
| 14:06.39 | Phated | AlexW: No shit. |
| 14:06.44 | Guerin | goddamn motherfucking sonofabitch |
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| 14:06.49 | Guerin | !hornyclue |
| 14:06.49 | dpkg | Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 14:06.51 | AlexW | i dont want my comptuer testing thou |
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| 14:07.05 | Phated | Guerin: Dude... I got the tray back. Can I whack him over the head with it? |
| 14:07.08 | Guerin | AlexW: do you get migraines? |
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| 14:07.12 | AlexW | yuh |
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| 14:07.20 | AlexW | sorry im not used to the whole "debian" way |
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| 14:07.31 | AlexW | im not as "leet" as you |
| 14:07.36 | Guerin | AlexW: because, dude, your stupidity is giving ME a fucking headache, I hate to think what it must do to you. |
| 14:07.46 | Phated | Harsh. |
| 14:07.48 | AlexW | i havent even used debian for 1hr |
| 14:07.53 | petemc | AlexW: nor have you done any reading to try and learn, you just sit in here and ask questions |
| 14:07.56 | Phated | AlexW: man apt-get. |
| 14:08.00 | Phated | Go. |
| 14:08.17 | Guerin | AlexW: it's not your lack of leetness.... it's your lack of willingness to read even the most basic documentation before trying to do advanced package management tasks. |
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| 14:08.30 | J_P | Guerin: what i need do then for not corrupt ext2 ? |
| 14:08.31 | AlexW | doesnt apt-get update update all packages |
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| 14:08.36 | cire | I want to use tcpdump on a remote machine. The problem is, the interface on which I want to listen is the same which I use to connect to. So, I see mainly my own traffic generated by ssh. |
| 14:08.37 | Phated | NO IT DOESN'T. |
| 14:08.41 | AlexW | ohh |
| 14:08.42 | Guerin | J_P: ups |
| 14:08.46 | Phated | AlexW: Man. apt-get. Now. |
| 14:08.55 | AlexW | no thanks :P |
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| 14:09.00 | Phated | WTF... |
| 14:09.05 | Phated | Guerin: Dude, I feel sorry for you. |
| 14:09.11 | Guerin | no more nipple for you |
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| 14:09.25 | AlexW | ive got it worked out dw |
| 14:09.26 | Shadur | cire: So filter that out. |
| 14:09.37 | Guerin | AlexW: you get to follow the rest of the simple sid backport factoid on your own |
| 14:09.41 | AlexW | yup |
| 14:09.44 | ackron | cire: tpcdump -ni eth0 not port 22 or something like that |
| 14:09.46 | AlexW | its simple |
| 14:09.47 | Shadur | tcpdump and libpcap have a wonderfully extensive filtering capability |
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| 14:10.06 | NeoTech | i have setup a iptables firewall, BUT it the speed have been crippled http://www.pastebin.com/233232 << check the wall please and tell me whats wrong. ;(( |
| 14:10.17 | Guerin | NeoTech: #iptables |
| 14:10.22 | cire | okay, I'll have a closer look on the manpage |
| 14:10.25 | AlexW | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.pacific.net.au_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 14:10.30 | AlexW | ill work it out |
| 14:10.35 | AlexW | even though that shouldnt happen |
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| 14:10.52 | neenee | hi everyone. |
| 14:11.00 | neenee | what would i do about unmet dependencies? |
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| 14:11.53 | valdyn_ | neenee: thats not enough info |
| 14:11.59 | glick | does anyone here have an ipod? |
| 14:12.04 | neenee | well, i'm afraid of pasting more :) |
| 14:12.09 | neenee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.09 | neenee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.10 | neenee | there |
| 14:12.11 | AlexW | it was so simple |
| 14:12.13 | Guerin | neenee: oh fix them, dear neenee, dear neenee, dear neenee |
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| 14:12.19 | AlexW | i could have just built the source |
| 14:12.25 | AlexW | complied it |
| 14:12.29 | Guerin | AlexW: I somehow doubt that |
| 14:12.35 | AlexW | ive already done it |
| 14:12.40 | asa | can anyone answer my simple NFS question? |
| 14:12.48 | AlexW | just need todo the conf |
| 14:12.54 | valdyn_ | neenee: sid? sarge? mix of both? |
| 14:13.01 | Guerin | asa: sorry, you want #mindreaders |
| 14:13.02 | Phated | neenee: Wait for it to be fixed. <shrug> |
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| 14:13.16 | asa | Guerin: haha |
| 14:13.20 | Guerin | neenee: apt-get -f install; |
| 14:13.31 | neenee | valdyn_: sid |
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| 14:13.42 | Quarupted | grr no launchcast |
| 14:13.44 | Guerin | neenee: welcome to Life With Sid |
| 14:13.47 | neenee | if does not work either |
| 14:13.54 | neenee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.58 | Quarupted | there has to be a way to listen to launchcast in debian |
| 14:13.58 | dwu | what other options do i have when i do kill -9 on a process and it doesnt die |
| 14:14.01 | valdyn_ | !info libpango1.0-0 sid |
| 14:14.05 | dpkg | libpango1.0-0: (Layout and rendering of internationalized text), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.6.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 14:14.08 | docta_v | dwu: what is the process? |
| 14:14.08 | Guerin | !launchcast |
| 14:14.10 | asa | /etc/exports on my NFS server says / 10.0.0.3(rw,nohide) |
| 14:14.12 | sanso | asa: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 14:14.18 | dwu | docta_v gcc |
| 14:14.29 | sanso | asa: forget it. |
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| 14:14.33 | Quarupted | Guerin, what? |
| 14:14.38 | asa | yet when i try to mount the share it is read-only |
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| 14:14.41 | Guerin | asa: hahahaha |
| 14:14.48 | Guerin | no shit |
| 14:15.00 | Guerin | asa: NOBODY is going to help you share your root over NFS |
| 14:15.05 | Guerin | asa: with write privs |
| 14:15.14 | docta_v | dwu: not a whole lot of options when kill -9 doesn't work...you can delete it's directory in /proc |
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| 14:15.19 | paulswm | Hey, Phated |
| 14:15.21 | asa | ok fine i will change it to /home |
| 14:15.34 | Phated | paulswm: Hey, you were looking for me this morning? |
| 14:15.34 | docta_v | a little bird told me that would work |
| 14:15.36 | dwu | docta_v ill have to be root, dont i? |
| 14:15.41 | paulswm | Phated: |
| 14:15.47 | docta_v | yea...should be doing the kill -9 as root too if possible |
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| 14:15.55 | asa | ... and then what? |
| 14:15.58 | Phated | paulswm: |
| 14:15.59 | Phated | :) |
| 14:16.00 | Guerin | asa: you need to understand a few things about unix and NFS privileges |
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| 14:16.01 | Guerin | oh |
| 14:16.05 | dwu | docta_v .. okay .. thanks! |
| 14:16.07 | Guerin | greycat just arrived |
| 14:16.09 | valdyn_ | !info ed2k-gtk-gui |
| 14:16.11 | defender | #debian |
| 14:16.15 | paulswm | Phated: Disk /dev/hdg: 163.9 GB, 163928604672 bytes / Disk /dev/hdg: 163.9 GB, 163928604672 bytes |
| 14:16.16 | greycat | uh oh. I've been spotted! |
| 14:16.21 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:16.22 | defender | hello |
| 14:16.25 | Guerin | asa: you're in luck you didn't ask your question a couple minutes later |
| 14:16.26 | Phated | paulswm: Bastard! :) |
| 14:16.35 | asa | ...such as? |
| 14:16.38 | Guerin | greycat: I thought you were just grey... |
| 14:16.38 | kensai_ | Is there any package in debian that makes the wastebin a gnome panel applet? |
| 14:16.45 | valdyn_ | neenee: thats an experimental package? so it probably depends on experimental stuff too |
| 14:16.53 | defender | somebody knows who install ati drivers |
| 14:16.57 | defender | ? |
| 14:17.00 | paulswm | Phated: sorry, that's hdg and hdh, 60 bucks each |
| 14:17.03 | Guerin | asa: you need to realise that NFS has mechanisms explicitly preventing root-over-nfs |
| 14:17.08 | asa | i see |
| 14:17.09 | Phated | paulswm: Cool. |
| 14:17.09 | greycat | defender: /msg dpkg ati drivers /j #ati |
| 14:17.39 | Guerin | asa: these are documented; go read the NFS howto on tldp.org. |
| 14:17.50 | greycat | asa: and "man 5 exports" |
| 14:17.59 | paulswm | Phated: bought an ethernet card that doesn't work in an old laptop, so I'm going to take it back today, tempted to swap it for another drive |
| 14:18.23 | Phated | paulswm: Ah, cool. You should, really. Or like, another card. :) |
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| 14:19.00 | paulswm | Phated: I'll have to hunt for an old 16 bit pcmcia on pricewatch, so I *have* to buy something from the store |
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| 14:19.13 | Phated | paulswm: Ah. |
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| 14:19.42 | Guerin | hrm, how hard is it likely to be to get a motherboard suitable for two p3-733 chips? |
| 14:20.13 | Guerin | are they still made/stocked? expensive? Or should I just get a used one...? |
| 14:20.22 | moshii | Guerin: should be able to pick an abit s370 smp board off of ebay quite cheaply |
| 14:20.28 | paulswm | Phated: anyway, you have a good day, only dropped in from work to pull your leg, see ya |
| 14:20.29 | docta_v | yep...ebay |
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| 14:20.42 | Guerin | hrm, I don't live in ann ebayworthy country |
| 14:20.43 | Phated | paulswm: Haha. About to go off to bed. :) Have a niec day. :) |
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| 14:20.56 | Kerr | I have my new system literaly sitting atop the old one. but one lan cable between them so no real way of sharing data. Is it safe to hotplug my old ide drive into the new box ? |
| 14:21.11 | asa | Guerin: yea i've been following that. how do I restart the nfs server in debian after making a /etc/exports change? the doc seems to be about RH |
| 14:21.19 | greycat | Kerr: just buy more cables |
| 14:21.20 | Guerin | Kerr: don't try to hotplug ide |
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| 14:21.31 | greycat | (and a switch, if needed) |
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| 14:21.48 | xam | asa: exportfs -a |
| 14:22.08 | Guerin | asa: /etc/init.d/nfs-whatever-server restart |
| 14:22.15 | greycat | note that "exportfs -a" only *adds* new exports; it doesn't *remove* the old ones. "exportfs -u -a" first, if you want to get rid of any. |
| 14:22.17 | Esaj | how do I copy an ext2 partition to another drive? |
| 14:22.22 | Guerin | but what xam said is good to update the exports without restarting |
| 14:22.26 | greycat | Esaj: mount them both, then cp -ax |
| 14:22.36 | valdyn_ | Kerr: if you dont care your hd or mainboard to be zapped, hotplug the disk |
| 14:22.37 | kensai_ | I come from gentoo and I have to say the optimization hype of gentoo is BULLS**T cause I find my debian system run faster than gentoo. Anyone experience the same? |
| 14:22.48 | Esaj | greycat: will that preserve bootableness too? |
| 14:22.58 | Quinn_Storm | Esaj, you might want to add --preserve=all and a few other things, I've had no trouble at all copying though, just did a man cp to make sure I got it all right |
| 14:23.02 | greycat | kensai_: welcome to the club :) |
| 14:23.05 | Guerin | Quinn_Storm: -a does that |
| 14:23.10 | Guerin | a is for archive |
| 14:23.13 | greycat | Esaj: no, it preserves only file system attributes |
| 14:23.35 | Kerr | kensai_: every gentoo disk image i go failed it's md5sum. ~.~ |
| 14:23.37 | greycat | the boot loader is in the MBR which is not part of any file system |
| 14:23.45 | kensai_ | Kerr, hehe |
| 14:24.02 | Kerr | i got over a dozen. talk about frustrating. |
| 14:24.13 | asa | Guerin: ok. restart works. but have changed / to /home and am still getting a read-only file system on the client |
| 14:24.20 | Guerin | asa: no shit. |
| 14:24.25 | Guerin | asa: is the client root? |
| 14:24.27 | greycat | asa: man exports |
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| 14:25.26 | Esaj | hmmm, is there a livecd with gparted on it? |
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| 14:25.33 | Esaj | that would be better I think for copying partitions |
| 14:25.34 | greycat | jethro: err.. what exam would that be? |
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| 14:25.39 | jethro | greycat: security+ |
| 14:25.44 | jethro | greycat: some cissp equivalent |
| 14:25.46 | asa | Guerin: yea but a normal user can't mount it |
| 14:25.57 | greycat | jethro: oh, good... you're not a lawyer, then. |
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| 14:26.01 | BucWheat | hello all i'm trying to give www-data sudo rights to a program i wrote that requires root access |
| 14:26.01 | jethro | I m asked stuff about the Computer Security Act of 1987 |
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| 14:26.15 | BucWheat | could someone check my sudo.conf out to see what i'm missing because it isn't working ? |
| 14:26.21 | rituraj | wow |
| 14:26.21 | greycat | there is no sudo.conf |
| 14:26.24 | rituraj | hi room |
| 14:26.35 | BucWheat | greycat well visudo file out heh |
| 14:26.42 | rituraj | for the fisrt time i see number of bugs in sarge are below 100!!!! |
| 14:26.43 | rituraj | :) |
| 14:26.46 | rituraj | its 99 now |
| 14:26.56 | BucWheat | greycat this is what i have www-data localhost=(www-data) /var/www/cgi-bin/grop |
| 14:27.10 | slocate | wow kde is nice in debian |
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| 14:27.12 | Guerin | asa: man fstab |
| 14:27.38 | Kerr | what should a GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x be gettting glxgears, on a sempron 2800 system? |
| 14:27.50 | Kerr | getting in ^ |
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| 14:28.10 | mh_le | anyone know of a good PIM? |
| 14:28.13 | asa | Guerin: um thanks but can't you be more specific? |
| 14:28.23 | greycat | mh_le: "vi notes.txt" |
| 14:28.23 | rituraj | what is PIM? |
| 14:28.24 | AlexW | whats the default port for dc |
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| 14:28.30 | Guerin | asa: look for "user" |
| 14:28.40 | Guerin | !htfswk alex |
| 14:28.41 | dpkg | alex: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 14:28.44 | defender | somebody speak spanish |
| 14:28.44 | greycat | heh |
| 14:28.44 | hacklab | hi. i am new to debian which somehow managed to install on my compaq presario 1400 laptop. i configured x but now everytime i boot the laptop the screen goes black after finishing init.it may be a problem with xdm running at boot time. can anyone help? |
| 14:28.45 | zakame | dc?!?!?!? |
| 14:28.46 | greycat | !es |
| 14:28.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:28.47 | AlexW | lol |
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| 14:28.53 | karsten | rituraj: Personal Information Manager. |
| 14:28.54 | greycat | zakame: Direct Connect. YAP2P |
| 14:28.56 | AlexW | i was just asking ffs |
| 14:29.01 | Guerin | AlexW: there you go, refusing to do a fucking thing for yourself |
| 14:29.04 | AlexW | someone could know |
| 14:29.20 | karsten | mh_le: jpilot if you use Palm. Evolution if you're into GNOME. Kontact (IIRC) for KDE. The last is apparently one of the better. |
| 14:29.20 | AlexW | i am trying to think |
| 14:29.24 | AlexW | i think its 412 |
| 14:29.26 | Guerin | !fgi AlexW what+is+the+default+port+for+direct+connect |
| 14:29.27 | dpkg | AlexW: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=what+is+the+default+port+for+direct+connect |
| 14:29.40 | mh_le | karsten, cool |
| 14:29.46 | BucWheat | greycat have i made an error with visudo ? i've compared it to man sudo and it "looks" fine |
| 14:29.58 | greycat | AlexW: run it, then use "lsof -i" to see. |
| 14:29.59 | AlexW | 411 i was close :p |
| 14:30.08 | rituraj | INDIAN debian users #debian-india |
| 14:30.10 | karsten | mh_le: KDE's PIM stuff integrates well into PalmOS, and possible WinCE crap. |
| 14:30.15 | greycat | BucWheat: I don't know. I'm not an expert in that file's syntax. It's horrid. |
| 14:30.22 | AlexW | so thats means i need to run the server as root :P |
| 14:30.33 | valdyn_ | hacklab: boot your system in single user mode. and move /etc/init.d/xdm out of the way |
| 14:30.36 | greycat | AlexW: ask a "DC" channel. |
| 14:30.39 | Guerin | AlexW: just as I said, yeah. |
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| 14:30.56 | mh_le | karsten, will I don't have a palmtop so that's not really an issue, but it would be nice to be able to sync with my laptop |
| 14:31.20 | karsten | mh_le: rsync ;-) |
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| 14:31.44 | BucWheat | greycat np. |
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| 14:32.08 | karsten | mh_le: ...the main issues for me are things like mail addresses. I use mutt, and there are relatively few good general options. I use a mail aliases file. There's lbdb (little brother database). I had a console-mode address tracker but didn't care for it. |
| 14:32.25 | karsten | mh_le: Don Marti of Linux Journal uses Evo for addresses & wot. |
| 14:32.38 | mh_le | okay cool |
| 14:32.40 | karsten | mh_le: ...and calendar SW is sadly lacking, particularly for group/shared calendars. |
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| 14:32.58 | hacklab | q |
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| 14:33.26 | kuja | I got a problem with my keyboard when I'm in a terminal (not in X). The keys seem to be mapped to letters other than what they should be. What would be a procedure in debugging this issue? |
| 14:33.29 | karsten | hacklab: Stop that. |
| 14:33.37 | hacklab | 111 |
| 14:33.37 | greycat | hacklab: please remove small children and animals from the keyboard. |
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| 14:33.52 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:33.53 | jethro | lol |
| 14:33.59 | Phated | Idiot. |
| 14:34.02 | karsten | !ops consider banning hacklab ~hacklab@dsl-80-46-52-225.access.as9105.com |
| 14:34.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: consider banning hacklab ~hacklab@dsl-80-46-52-225.access.as9105.com |
| 14:34.16 | Guerin | it would have been funnier if you'd said "please to be removing" |
| 14:34.16 | greycat | karsten: whatever. |
| 14:34.25 | karsten | greycat: Sure. |
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| 14:34.39 | karsten | mh_le: More info: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApplicationsCalendaring |
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| 14:35.16 | asa | Guerin: ok it works now. i can delete stuff from the server. btw i had it as / following a line in some debian docs. so blame them. |
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| 14:35.34 | asa | Guerin: thanks for the help |
| 14:35.39 | Jon | hi karsten, hm I've been thinking about calendar sw myself, I shall take a look at that URL too :) |
| 14:36.01 | karsten | Jon: Cool. It's a wiki, if you see anything missing, add it ;-) |
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| 14:36.47 | doojin | I was scared by debian installer's paritioning |
| 14:36.50 | Guerin | asa: no, the blame was on you. Read man exports again, look for root_squash |
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| 14:37.01 | Guerin | doojin: did it BOO! at you? |
| 14:37.04 | doojin | It didn't leave any existing partition |
| 14:37.08 | AlexW | Guerin: thanks for the help your have given me mate, sorry i wasn't thinking |
| 14:37.09 | doojin | so I was scared |
| 14:37.15 | doojin | I couldn't install |
| 14:37.20 | doojin | so scary |
| 14:37.22 | AlexW | i gtg to bed now |
| 14:37.45 | Guerin | doojin: it doesn't touch any partition without your sayso |
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| 14:37.50 | Jon | hehe |
| 14:37.55 | Jon | I wasn't scared at d-i's partitions |
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| 14:38.04 | Jon | I was a little bit miffed when grub trashed my NTFS partition though ;) |
| 14:38.14 | WorkerII | Quinn_Storm : LoL :) |
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| 14:38.41 | asa | Guerin: no i was looking for a quick and east way to set up NFS for a simple file sharing task between 2 machines without plowing through every cm of the man pages and how-to |
| 14:38.53 | Guerin | AlexW: if it doesn't have some sort of privilege-handoff functionality, it's horribly broken. |
| 14:38.53 | jethro | think I ll never pass that exam, too many questions focused on years old and pointless stuff (I m actaully being schooled on the various cable flavors used in the early 80's :/) |
| 14:39.04 | WorkerII | @tell AlexW about inetd |
| 14:39.10 | WorkerII | ~tell AlexW about inetd |
| 14:39.15 | Guerin | asa: you wanted to do this without knowing a damn thing about nfs? |
| 14:39.15 | borius | I have an AT-AR220E router and its firmware is upgradeable... I wonder if I can hack together something myself, using Linux? |
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| 14:39.26 | WorkerII | !tell AlexW about inetd |
| 14:39.28 | Guerin | borius: I wonder if you can, too. |
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| 14:39.40 | petemc | borius: it doesnt allow you to do it via a browser? |
| 14:39.58 | asa | Guerin: the minimum nessecary |
| 14:40.02 | WorkerII | browser: It doesn't allow you to do it via a broius? |
| 14:40.08 | Guerin | asa: and you still don't even know that |
| 14:40.20 | WorkerII | 400 asa or 27 din? |
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| 14:40.26 | AlexW | ahh |
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| 14:40.43 | AlexW | so inetd will allow me to run the server as "dchub" on port 411 |
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| 14:40.56 | Guerin | aargh |
| 14:40.56 | AlexW | great, ill read the manual tommorow and work out how todo it |
| 14:40.57 | asa | Guerin: yes i do because it works |
| 14:41.02 | Guerin | inetd |
| 14:41.12 | WorkerII | AlexW : Yw :) |
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| 14:41.26 | AlexW | define Yw? |
| 14:41.28 | WorkerII | AlexW : There is also xinetd ... if you want. |
| 14:41.29 | Guerin | asa: but you don't KNOW how or why it works... so if it stops working, you'll be unable to fix it. |
| 14:41.30 | jethro | !yw |
| 14:41.30 | dpkg | hmm... yw is you're welcome |
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| 14:41.38 | AlexW | xinetd hrrm |
| 14:41.41 | jethro | AlexW: apt-get install bsdgames then use wtf |
| 14:41.50 | WorkerII | !tell alexw about xinitd |
| 14:41.57 | WorkerII | detach |
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| 14:42.04 | Esaj | hmm is it wise to use dd to copy a partition from one disk to another? |
| 14:42.07 | AlexW | i dont have it installed :P |
| 14:42.07 | Garp | hi |
| 14:42.09 | jethro | WorkerII: stop trying all bots and the associated commands in the channel please |
| 14:42.19 | Esaj | I created a new partition with the same size as the original on the new disk |
| 14:42.21 | jethro | WorkerII: use /msg instead |
| 14:42.21 | asa | Guerin: i dont think it should be nessecary to know the internals of each part of my systems just to get a simple task done. |
| 14:42.23 | Garp | Esaj : I dont think so |
| 14:42.29 | Esaj | Garp: why not? |
| 14:42.38 | AlexW | i need sleeep :P |
| 14:42.39 | AlexW | nite |
| 14:42.48 | Garp | Esaj : well, should be exactly the same stize, you dont defragment your files, etc |
| 14:42.56 | Guerin | asa: when you're trying to share your root over nfs with write permissions, you sure as shit need to know what you're doing |
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| 14:43.08 | doojin | hmm |
| 14:43.08 | Esaj | Garp: they are exactly the same size, I think |
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| 14:43.16 | doojin | can I use fdisk in debian installation? |
| 14:43.17 | Garp | Esaj : should be at the block. |
| 14:43.19 | virgomoon | Good morning, all. |
| 14:43.23 | doojin | It seems impossible |
| 14:43.24 | Esaj | Garp: I suppose the disks might have different geometries |
| 14:43.28 | Garp | Esaj : block to block identical. |
| 14:43.49 | Esaj | Garp: they both have the same number of blocks |
| 14:43.54 | Garp | Esaj : I would have said that if I did know what "geometry" that means in that case |
| 14:44.02 | asa | Guerin: i wasn't trying to do that. i was just following the debian doc |
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| 14:44.07 | doojin | I need a help |
| 14:44.13 | zaydana | is it possible to somehow update my system from 3.0r2 to the current "testing" release over the net |
| 14:44.27 | Garp | Esaj : I dont know how the FS address the chained blocks: is it relative to the partition or to the disk ? |
| 14:44.28 | ricky_clarkson | doojin: I need a clue |
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| 14:44.49 | greycat | zaydana: yes. /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 14:44.52 | asa | Guerin: there's not need to be so arogant, you know. there's nothing particularly important on that box anyway |
| 14:44.58 | Guerin | asa: show me where in the debian doc it tells you it's sane, or even possible, to share / over nfs with write privileges, and I'll show you a rc bug about to be filed. |
| 14:45.04 | zaydana | thanks greycat |
| 14:45.06 | Guerin | asa: that's entirely irrelevant. |
| 14:45.28 | tchino | can somehelp me to install the IE6 in wine under debian |
| 14:45.28 | Garp | Esaj : best way is a tar, I guess. I'm usually happy with a cp -a |
| 14:45.39 | Guerin | tchino: oh, ftlog. |
| 14:45.44 | virgomoon | I'm trying to do an update on a set of sarge isos with jigdo-lite using a set I d/led from last week. It appears to be d/ling the entire set again. I was under the impression that only the packages that changed would need to be d/led but it appears that ALL of them are being d/led. Is it possible that all the packages changed? |
| 14:46.08 | tchino | Guerin: what you mean with that |
| 14:46.20 | Guerin | tchino: that was an expression of disgust. |
| 14:46.34 | asa | Guerin: thats not what I said. it just had a couple of lines about how to get an NFS server going quickly. hence i followed that. |
| 14:46.35 | Guerin | not a very vehement one, though. |
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| 14:47.14 | tchino | Guerin: can you help, or must i login in ftlog |
| 14:47.34 | Guerin | asa: right. You got most of the way there, too. But, dude, honestly. |
| 14:47.40 | Guerin | tchino: /msg dpkg ftlog |
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| 14:49.11 | virgomoon | No thoughts on the sarge updates? |
| 14:49.28 | Garp | virgomoon: not all changed, for sure. |
| 14:49.37 | cell | is there a way to install a package without any debconf interaction? setting debconf to "noninteractive" still sends emails... |
| 14:49.47 | tchino | Guerin: what i have to do there? do i have to set in the error-messages, what are giving out by wine, when i install IE6 |
| 14:50.01 | asa | Guerin: yea well thanks for the help anyway. try not to be so hollier-than-thou to people who know less than you next time. |
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| 14:50.11 | greycat | Guerin: *what* are you doing with that holly? |
| 14:50.30 | Garp | virgomoon: only a few changed (10 or so) |
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| 14:50.34 | glick | do you think linux will lose alot of its following both hackers and coorperate level to open solaris? |
| 14:50.35 | Guerin | asa: i'm not being holier-than-thou at all. |
| 14:50.36 | virgomoon | Garp: That's what I would have thought, but it certainly appears to be d/ling everything again. I stopped it in the middle and re-used the images completed so far last night (1-6, I think) and it re-uses them fine, but the others are appearing all out of date. |
| 14:50.49 | Guerin | greycat: apparently more than what thou art doing... |
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| 14:51.19 | asa | whatever. bye |
| 14:51.28 | Guerin | tchino: the best course of action in this case is to not install or use ie6 |
| 14:51.28 | virgomoon | Garp: I'll just let it finish and repeat it to see if re-uses those just d/led. When is the scheduled release? Sunday night, right? |
| 14:51.40 | Garp | virgomoon : I dont know jigdo enough to help here, sorry (i just remember that you must put somewhere the path of your local already downloaded stuff) |
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| 14:52.28 | virgomoon | Yeah, you have to mount the iso on a loopback which I did and it apparently works on the new isos, but not on those just a week old. Oh well, I won't panic yet. |
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| 14:52.34 | tchino | Guerin: i want to test my homepage, i hate windows too, but i must to test my homepage under IE6 without sitching betwenn the the two systems linux and windows with lilo-boot-manager |
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| 14:53.01 | Garp | virgomoon: hummm, I dont know if there is any date for the mythical "release". dpkg seems not to know if any exists. |
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| 14:53.45 | Guerin | tchino: well, #debian ain't the place for that, sorry. |
| 14:53.51 | virgomoon | Garp: alright, thanks. You don't know who handles the vendor list do you? I've been trying to get on it for a couple weeks with no responses. I follow the instructions on the vendor page. |
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| 14:54.10 | Garp | virgomoon: no, sorry, I dont know. |
| 14:54.22 | greycat | tchino: try #winehq maybe |
| 14:54.24 | Guerin | tchino: I'd advise you to just put a big disclaimer on your site saying "if this site looks like shit in IE, it's not my fault, because I code to w3c standards." |
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| 14:54.37 | virgomoon | Garp: thanks |
| 14:54.40 | Guerin | tchino: you do code webpages to w3c, don't you? |
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| 14:54.52 | Garp | virgomoon: well, I didnt helped you much :( |
| 14:55.11 | greycat | Guerin: sometimes pragmatic considerations override correctness, unfortunately. |
| 14:55.18 | Guerin | yeah. |
| 14:55.20 | virgomoon | Garp: At least you were civil. Around here, that's a definite plus. |
| 14:55.33 | Guerin | he did say 'homepage' though, not 'corporate sales portal' |
| 14:55.43 | xam | greycat: like taking via IRC in #debian? ;) |
| 14:56.09 | Garp | greycat: first w3c, then if some ie users complains, a bit of hack is sometime needed (not to the piont to break conformity) |
| 14:56.21 | tchino | Guerin: i do it with css, but you must take consideration on other users, who use the IE, i use firefox |
| 14:56.29 | xam | greycat: would be easier for us all if everybody would just RTFM, but no ... they come here ;) |
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| 14:56.56 | Garp | tchino: do you validate your code ? |
| 14:56.57 | virgomoon | xam: but you guys are so warm and friendly |
| 14:57.02 | Guerin | tchino: I don't believe there should be a "must" - especially since virtually all windows users refuse to consider anyone else connected to the same network as them. |
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| 14:57.07 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
| 14:57.08 | dpkg | We're already doing our best not to support Debian. To try not to support other distributions too would make #debian trolling /very/ tedious. |
| 14:57.19 | deniska | Hi all |
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| 14:57.28 | Guerin | !factinfo not support |
| 14:57.28 | dpkg | not support -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky@h-69-3-31-82.snvacaid.covad.net> 1d 2h 2m 22s ago; it has been requested once, last by ricky_clarkson, 20s ago. |
| 14:57.33 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:57.33 | Garp | virgomoon: well, most are, if taken the right way i believe :-) |
| 14:57.35 | xam | virgomoon: warm and friendly? yeah, like hell |
| 14:57.36 | tchino | greycat: Garp: yes, with tidy |
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| 14:57.44 | virgomoon | xam: lmao |
| 14:58.04 | ricky_clarkson | xam: Hell with fluffy bunnies, to be precise. |
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| 14:58.31 | tchino | Garp: but mozilla and IE intepret the html or css-code otherwise |
| 14:58.54 | Guerin | tidy is a w3c app, innit? |
| 14:58.55 | xam | !badgersw |
| 14:58.56 | xam | !badgers |
| 14:58.56 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !!, or make great gifts, fun for the whole family |
| 14:59.03 | Garp | tchino : I know... So some hack is needed |
| 14:59.23 | deniska | I'm using NB3 ADSL modem/router, does anyone know how to set up this thing for aMule properly? |
| 14:59.37 | Garp | Guerin: I think so, it can correct code on the fly, but to validate I use validator.w3.org |
| 14:59.37 | sussudio | deniska: wtf does that have to do with debian? |
| 14:59.39 | borius | petemc: sure I can update the firmware via the browser :) I was wondering if there was a customisable linux distro for it :) |
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| 14:59.46 | stooney | hey i have been searching for driver and install help for 3c2000-T internetcard, is anyone here that maybe have that installed on debian or know how to |
| 14:59.52 | Garp | sussudio : nothing |
| 15:00.01 | tchino | Garp: do have instal IE6 in wine under debian |
| 15:00.02 | deniska | I'm using debian :-) what channel do you suggest? |
| 15:00.12 | Guerin | Garp: yeah, me too. What do you mean it can correct code on the fly? While you're writing it? |
| 15:00.16 | sussudio | deniska: rtfm for you router! |
| 15:00.17 | petemc | borius: sure, any distro with a browser |
| 15:00.29 | Garp | tchino : no, I dont have any m$ licence (I guess you must have to install ie6) |
| 15:00.44 | anti- | How do I change the font used by the X server? (Fluxbox) I've been using the artwis fonts, but during my last apt-get upgrade it got reverted to some ugly old font. (remove && install doesn't work) |
| 15:01.08 | deniska | thanks |
| 15:01.10 | Garp | Guerin : no, like "tidy mystuff.html > correctcode.xhtml" |
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| 15:01.10 | tchino | Garp: no, you don't need licens for that, you can download it without a license |
| 15:01.24 | borius | petemc: no, no, I wish to run a linux distro on my router :) |
| 15:01.26 | Garp | Guerin : that's the only way I used it |
| 15:01.33 | Guerin | Garp: oh, ok. |
| 15:01.35 | petemc | borius: ahh, what kinda router is it? |
| 15:01.42 | borius | petemc: it's a little hardware box |
| 15:01.56 | petemc | borius: very informative |
| 15:01.56 | Guerin | I'm lazy, I still code to transitional :) |
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| 15:02.16 | borius | petemc: AT-AR220E |
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| 15:02.21 | Guerin | tchino: are you sure? |
| 15:02.24 | Garp | Guerin : so there must be some heuristics in it... it close tags and such. |
| 15:02.55 | petemc | borius: never heard of it. I use a linksys wrt54g at home, with the satori firmware it works well |
| 15:02.57 | Guerin | tchino: I'm pretty sure you need a MS license (or a macos license) to install it legally. |
| 15:03.07 | Garp | Guerin : me too, but I had to get data from html pages, so tidy -> xhtml then xml parser. |
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| 15:03.24 | Guerin | hrm, nifty |
| 15:03.33 | Garp | Guerin : xml parser would break on non valid code. |
| 15:03.38 | Guerin | yeah |
| 15:04.16 | Guerin | g'night people |
| 15:04.24 | Garp | good night Guerin . |
| 15:04.36 | tchino | Guerin: i have read the artile of wine in the last c't, the is a guide to install IE6, and there you don't read anything about a license |
| 15:04.41 | borius | petemc: you run linux on it? |
| 15:04.49 | borius | petemc: would be pretty cool to have woody running on my router |
| 15:04.54 | petemc | borius: the satori firmware is linux based, yup |
| 15:04.57 | Garp | tchino: they likely dont care about this |
| 15:05.04 | Guerin | tchino: only the eula will tell you for sure. |
| 15:05.05 | petemc | borius: a lot of the linksys devices use embedded linux |
| 15:05.08 | borius | petemc: mine is prolly too but there is only a crappy web gui |
| 15:05.23 | borius | petemc: I want root and ssh access on it :) |
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| 15:05.37 | petemc | borius: i had a d-link that ran linux too, its becoming more and more common |
| 15:06.19 | Garp | tchino : NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID EULA FOR ANY "OS PRODUCT" (MICROSOFT WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM PRODUCT, ANY MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT WORKSTATION OPERATING SYSTEM, OR ANY MICROSOFT WINDOWS NT SERVER OPERATING SYSTEM), YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY, OR OTHERWISE USE THE OS COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA. |
| 15:06.26 | neenee | er |
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| 15:06.32 | Garp | tchino : http://www.mv.helsinki.fi/fuksiromppu/ohjelmat/internet/ie6/license.txt |
| 15:06.36 | greycat | !lawyersmite Garp |
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| 15:06.57 | streuner__ | !mhallsmite Garp |
| 15:06.58 | dpkg | Fuck Garp. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 15:06.59 | borius | petemc: cool, did you have ssh access to it? |
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| 15:07.40 | Garp | greycat : sorry to have offended your eyes with that piece of m$ stuff |
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| 15:08.03 | Garp | (I feel ashamed too) |
| 15:08.22 | gothtec | ABOMINATION! |
| 15:08.24 | gothtec | Stay back, you! |
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| 15:09.20 | petemc | borius: yeah |
| 15:09.31 | borius | petemc: awesome, how much are those things? |
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| 15:09.59 | petemc | borius: the d-link was shit, the linksys wrt54g is hella cheap, about £40 |
| 15:10.54 | irfaN | bye |
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| 15:11.12 | borius | petemc: I see |
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| 15:14.43 | Kerr | how can i check how much video memory my card has? |
| 15:14.56 | abrotman | look in your X log ? |
| 15:14.56 | greycat | fire up X and read the log |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | maybe |
| 15:15.04 | looksaus | I configured cups for my printer |
| 15:15.10 | looksaus | it prints a test page correctly |
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| 15:15.19 | greycat | abrotman: doubtful... |
| 15:15.20 | looksaus | but when I try to do |
| 15:15.29 | looksaus | lp testdocument.pdf |
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| 15:15.46 | greycat | looksaus: hit Enter less often. |
| 15:15.47 | looksaus | it fails with "lp: error - no default destination available" |
| 15:15.58 | greycat | so tell CUPS to make your printer the default |
| 15:16.02 | abrotman | greycat: not in xdpyinfo? |
| 15:16.15 | looksaus | greycat, this should be done automatically, right? |
| 15:16.20 | greycat | abrotman: xdpyinfo gives you info about the display, not about the hardware |
| 15:16.22 | looksaus | (there's only one printer?) |
| 15:16.29 | Nostromo^ | is there a different between the way top and the way sar get %CPU? a user told me he's getting different processor usage percentage for a specific process under sar and under top. |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | greycat: good point .. |
| 15:16.31 | greycat | Printers are Evil. |
| 15:16.35 | Nostromo^ | s/different/difference/ |
| 15:16.40 | cahoot_ | looksaus: what if you use lpr ? |
| 15:16.43 | dur | using jigdo, what country should I use for a fast non-us version? |
| 15:16.47 | abrotman | sar is an average over ilke 15 minutes |
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| 15:16.57 | greycat | dur: .us |
| 15:17.00 | abrotman | i think it is .. been a while since i used it |
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| 15:17.24 | auDeniska | sussudio: could you please specify what is 'rtfm'? |
| 15:17.25 | greycat | I don't think there's anything relevant or useful in non-us any more, anyway. |
| 15:17.38 | greycat | !tell auDeniska about rtfm |
| 15:17.38 | valdyn_ | looksaus: dpkg -l cupsys-bsd give which output? |
| 15:18.09 | greycat | valdyn_: lp(1) would be in the SysV-like-client package, not -bsd. |
| 15:18.13 | looksaus | it's an up to date 1.1.23-2 sarge |
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| 15:18.29 | looksaus | strange, now that I explicitly define it as DefaultPrinter |
| 15:18.32 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Is that a general statement, or a Debian one? |
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| 15:18.37 | looksaus | it works, at least for Abiword |
| 15:18.48 | looksaus | (the docs explicitly say this isn't necessary) |
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| 15:19.02 | calin | Hey |
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| 15:19.16 | Garp | (bebye) |
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| 15:19.18 | elnovato | when i try to install the system base, with the debian sarge with the net install iso on my laptop says: "debootstrap error couldnt dowload nano" |
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| 15:19.24 | valdyn_ | greycat: i double checked.. yep |
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| 15:19.36 | calin | How do i find out what my monitor is from the view of the computer config? |
| 15:19.39 | kyll | hey, can someone recommend a simple and good dhcp daemon? |
| 15:19.42 | auDeniska | thanks :-( |
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| 15:19.50 | greycat | kyll: server or client? |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | !tell kyll about search |
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| 15:20.10 | greycat | calin: install the read-edid package |
| 15:20.17 | abrotman | i would assume server .. he said daemon .. |
| 15:20.19 | abrotman | !assume |
| 15:20.19 | dpkg | assume is, like, the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
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| 15:20.47 | Malthus | . |
| 15:20.56 | kyll | greycat: server |
| 15:20.56 | elnovato | hello? |
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| 15:21.18 | abrotman | !piav |
| 15:21.18 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 15:21.19 | karsten | !tell elnovato about ask |
| 15:21.20 | FieldySnuts | badgerwanttekkk |
| 15:21.43 | greycat | !info dhcp sarge |
| 15:21.45 | dpkg | dhcp: (DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0pl5-19.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 15:22.01 | abrotman | is'nt there a dhcp3 or something? |
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| 15:22.24 | abrotman | !info dhcp3 sarge |
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| 15:22.25 | abrotman | oh well |
| 15:22.25 | elnovato | when i try to install the "base system" , with the debian sarge net install iso on my laptop says: "debootstrap error couldnt dowload nano", any clue? |
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| 15:22.25 | karsten | elnovato: Does it giv eyou any options? |
| 15:22.25 | greycat | it's probably spelled differently |
| 15:22.25 | abrotman | !piav |
| 15:22.25 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 15:22.25 | karsten | !tell elnovato about repeat |
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| 15:22.43 | abrotman | !info dhcp3-server sarge |
| 15:22.45 | dpkg | dhcp3-server: (DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 497 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
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| 15:22.51 | elnovato | karsten: says "go back or continue" |
| 15:22.54 | karsten | elnovato: If all else fails, either continue without nano (it's not essential and you can install it later) or restart. |
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| 15:22.58 | karsten | elnovato: Well.... |
| 15:23.02 | elnovato | karsten: i didnt repeated, i "corrected" the question |
| 15:23.04 | karsten | elnovato: Go back, or continue. |
| 15:23.32 | abrotman | karsten: too many choices ... head exploding |
| 15:23.34 | karsten | elnovato: As I said, it's nothing you can't fix trivially later. |
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| 15:24.33 | karsten | xam: You familiar with Polish roulette? |
| 15:24.43 | karsten | xam: Russian roulette...with an automatic. |
| 15:24.54 | elnovato | karsten: the Net install ISO, doesnt want to complete the "install base system" its repeating all the time, (seems ive found a bug on net iso) |
| 15:24.58 | xam | karsten ;) |
| 15:25.38 | karsten | elnovato: Where's it fail? The nano issue? Again: if it's just nano, you can continue and complete the install. |
| 15:25.39 | dur | greycat: thank you |
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| 15:25.50 | karsten | elnovato: Probably had the sources update on you. |
| 15:26.05 | abrotman | elnovato: you could use the netinst as your source instead of downloading everything |
| 15:26.17 | karsten | abrotman: I think he is. |
| 15:26.43 | Kerr | argh. deafened. |
| 15:26.46 | elnovato | karsten: 1. i continue with the installation 2. the installer says again : installing base system. 3. nano fails again, 4. the installer says again : installing base system. 5. nano fails again, 6. the installer says again : installing base system. 7. nano fails again, ...etc |
| 15:27.03 | elnovato | abrotman: how to do that? |
| 15:27.15 | abrotman | it freaking asks you if oyu want to use http or cdrom sources |
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| 15:27.35 | elnovato | since i didnt say that question on the installer |
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| 15:27.48 | Kerr | fresh sarge install.. i test one of my favourite rock tunes in xmms. 2.68 megawatt speaker system. seems OSS doesn't understand the concempt of 'volume control' |
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| 15:28.27 | karsten | abrotman: keep it chipper. |
| 15:28.57 | abrotman | karsten: let me welcome you to pennsylvania .. home of the 15 mile long parking lot! |
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| 15:29.05 | greycat | you do *not* have a 2.68 megawatt speaker system. |
| 15:29.16 | Kerr | greycat: not rms |
| 15:29.29 | elnovato | how to test on the net installer if the network card is working? |
| 15:29.30 | dvs | abrotman: We have one longer: it's an expressway. ;-) |
| 15:29.33 | karsten | abrotman: Got Snow? |
| 15:29.37 | melodie | hello :) |
| 15:29.39 | abrotman | karsten: yes ... |
| 15:29.40 | vladkao | I think the 'make-kpkg' factoid is truncated. Can someone help with makeing the kernel, the debian way? |
| 15:29.44 | abrotman | dvs: this is an expressway |
| 15:29.51 | greycat | elnovato: how for a *human* to test it? try the install. |
| 15:30.25 | asuffield | greycat: I believe the technical term for a 2.68MW speaker is a cannon |
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| 15:30.25 | abrotman | karsten: i'd love it .. get me a job and i'm there :) |
| 15:30.42 | karsten | abrotman: Give me a job and I might stay. |
| 15:30.51 | abrotman | karsten: wanna trade? |
| 15:30.55 | elnovato | greycat: doesnt work |
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| 15:30.57 | karsten | abrotman: Hrm.... |
| 15:31.02 | Kerr | erf |
| 15:31.13 | Kerr | kw not mw |
| 15:31.18 | Kerr | the sound fried my brain ? |
| 15:31.24 | melodie | All the Kde apps are slow to display after re-installing Sarge and restauring apt archives. I don't find the solution ? |
| 15:31.30 | asuffield | I don't really think you've got 2kW either |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | melodie: stop using kde |
| 15:31.36 | abrotman | melodie: #debian-kde |
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| 15:31.38 | asuffield | 2mW, on the other hand, is plausible :P |
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| 15:31.46 | Kerr | asuffield: 2.68k pmpo. |
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| 15:31.58 | valdyn_ | melodie: slow to display? what do you mean? |
| 15:32.01 | greycat | I might believe 2 kW |
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| 15:32.02 | melodie | abrotman: I use juste apps as Konqueror, otherwise Xfce4 |
| 15:32.10 | Kerr | not counting the guitar amp |
| 15:32.12 | karsten | abrotman: Does Sarge netinst log issues anywhere we can tell elnovato to look? |
| 15:32.18 | asuffield | or about 100W in real numbers, which is still pretty unlikely |
| 15:32.22 | Kerr | i don't know what that is aside painfully loud. |
| 15:32.27 | abrotman | karsten: yes .. in ... /root/ maybe? .. |
| 15:32.29 | melodie | valdyn: 3 to 4 minutes later |
| 15:32.32 | abrotman | install log thingie |
| 15:32.42 | abrotman | karsten: #debian-boot knows right where it would be |
| 15:32.44 | valdyn_ | melodie: slow startup time? |
| 15:32.47 | karsten | abrotman: I though /var/log/install or somesuch? Or /tmp? |
| 15:32.51 | karsten | abrotman: Point. |
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| 15:32.59 | doojin | hi guys |
| 15:33.00 | karsten | elnovato: You might want to /join #debian-boot and ask there. |
| 15:33.12 | Kerr | 880watt pc speakers, 1800 watt surround sound system, and a lil guitar amp which i didn't count.. |
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| 15:33.17 | melodie | valdyn: I think this is what you say |
| 15:33.28 | elnovato | seems installing debian on a laptop is a nightware |
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| 15:33.36 | elnovato | is debian good for a toshiba A60 ? |
| 15:33.36 | asuffield | <sigh> you *can't* add power ratings like that. not even if they were real ratings, not some PMPO bullshit |
| 15:33.44 | melodie | the app appears several minutes after, but only when connecting internet |
| 15:33.52 | glick | hey does anyone have a dell latitude CPt? |
| 15:34.00 | dvs | elnovato: you are installing sarge, aren't you? |
| 15:34.03 | Kerr | i know pmpo is a load of crap :) it's just fun to say |
| 15:34.03 | asuffield | actual rating will be closer to 500W PMPO, or about 30-50W actual |
| 15:34.07 | valdyn_ | melodie: kde aps profit alot from "prelink", but check your ~/xsession-errors too, since there was some issues with that lately |
| 15:34.09 | abrotman | elnovato: only for you |
| 15:34.09 | doojin | hmm |
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| 15:34.14 | abrotman | elnovato: linux-laptop.net |
| 15:34.19 | doojin | I need help |
| 15:34.25 | elnovato | yes dvs |
| 15:34.25 | abrotman | elnovato: maybe you sohulnd't drink before doing an install |
| 15:34.29 | elnovato | dvs: yes |
| 15:34.35 | dvs | ha! |
| 15:34.41 | doojin | elnovato : have you installed debian? |
| 15:34.45 | karsten | !tell doojin about ask |
| 15:34.53 | elnovato | yes, im on my desktop pc, using sarge |
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| 15:35.38 | doojin | you foreign guys are much better than rude koreans |
| 15:36.05 | melodie | valdyn_: can you give me the command line to check that please ? |
| 15:36.11 | doojin | koreans in #debian, #linux or linux related channel are rude |
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| 15:36.41 | valdyn_ | melodie: more ~/.xsession-errors ( as user, not root ) |
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| 15:36.55 | melodie | valdy_: ok :) |
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| 15:37.36 | doojin | volunteers |
| 15:37.40 | doojin | you are volunteers right? |
| 15:37.48 | directhex|work | yes |
| 15:37.54 | elnovato | maybe |
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| 15:38.02 | doojin | Koreans in linux related channels are just selfish and mean people |
| 15:38.09 | elnovato | im testing debian on laptops without succesfull |
| 15:38.30 | karsten | doojin: You got a point, or a question? |
| 15:38.30 | doojin | they even banned me because I asked some questions ...... |
| 15:38.41 | doojin | I |
| 15:38.42 | abrotman | doojin: do you need debian help? |
| 15:38.46 | elnovato | prolly you called them comunists |
| 15:39.01 | doojin | elnovato : you talked to me? |
| 15:39.04 | dvs | doojin: If you keep on complaining here, you might be banned too. |
| 15:39.09 | elnovato | yes |
| 15:39.18 | doojin | dvs : still much better than koreans |
| 15:39.30 | xam | ohh, the weather is so bad today ... |
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| 15:39.36 | doojin | I was scared by awkward partitioner in debian installer |
| 15:39.47 | Supaplex | I recently installed from bare metal, and restored from backups. I'm having issues with debian-sys-maint@localhost - isn't this user linked to the mysql database? I'm using the same debian.cnf and mysql/* files from the backup, but it's throwing access deined for debian-sys-maint@localhost in mysql.log |
| 15:39.50 | doojin | It didn't allow me to keep existing partition setting |
| 15:40.01 | melodie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.02 | doojin | oh my god,,..... I was very scared |
| 15:40.14 | abrotman | doojin: yes it does |
| 15:40.20 | doojin | hmm |
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| 15:40.23 | abrotman | in sarge it does |
| 15:40.24 | karsten | doojin: Please be succinct and specific. |
| 15:40.30 | abrotman | maybe not in woody .. been too long |
| 15:40.31 | mario__ | hello |
| 15:40.32 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:40.32 | dpkg | i guess ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 15:40.33 | doojin | I have important datas in my window harddisk |
| 15:40.39 | doojin | hmm |
| 15:40.43 | doojin | the partitioner |
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| 15:40.59 | melodie | ** (x-session-manager:3408): WARNING **: Failed to get splash theme setting |
| 15:40.59 | melodie | ** (x-session-manager:3408): WARNING **: Unable to open session file /home/joyce |
| 15:40.59 | melodie | pe |
| 15:40.59 | melodie | (xfwm4:3471): Gdk-WARNING **: XID 0x48 already known |
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| 15:41.02 | karsten | doojin: Partitioning tools don't change values by default. They also allow you to exit w/o committing changes. And you can generally recover partitioning with tools such as gpart |
| 15:41.03 | valdyn_ | melodie: now: you can "tail -f ~/.xsession-errors" and start a kde app to see if that kde app is putting errors into that file |
| 15:41.03 | abrotman | doojin: read the install guide |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:41.04 | dpkg | [ig] for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 15:41.05 | doojin | the partitioner didn't show me any partition and asked me to empty partition |
| 15:41.10 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:41.11 | elnovato | seems debian install beliveve my floppy is the network card |
| 15:41.13 | doojin | I'm sad |
| 15:41.15 | xam | doojin: yes, would be a shame if all that pr0n would vanish |
| 15:41.17 | abrotman | !tell doojin about ig |
| 15:41.39 | doojin | what is ig? |
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| 15:42.05 | abrotman | see what dpkg told oyu |
| 15:42.11 | karsten | doojin: a bot called 'dpkg' is msging you with information. Read that. Read the links it points to. And FFS shut up. |
| 15:42.25 | Kerr | asuffield: http://www.tsunami.com.tw/rm/html/GX880.html + http://www.vdhsoft.be/specs/20354.htm + 2ft guitar amp. |
| 15:42.35 | doojin | FFS? |
| 15:42.39 | abrotman | Kerr: 2ft means nothing |
| 15:42.42 | karsten | !tell doojin about ffs |
| 15:42.44 | Supaplex | for fu%%s sake |
| 15:42.53 | abrotman | Kerr: how large of an amp? .. |
| 15:42.54 | asuffield | Kerr: ah, you have a pair of 20W speakers |
| 15:43.00 | asuffield | Kerr: that's *far* more convincing |
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| 15:43.09 | asuffield | that's about normal |
| 15:43.12 | doojin | I like FFS....... |
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| 15:43.40 | doojin | ffs looks like such a nice word |
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| 15:43.44 | glick | hey i have a laptop that i got from work |
| 15:43.49 | asuffield | the subwoofer generates about 25W, but some of that will be lost, so it's most likely pegged at 20W as well |
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| 15:43.58 | asuffield | the total power of this system is 20W. |
| 15:44.00 | dvs | karsten: No, the correct term is *plonk* |
| 15:44.03 | abrotman | !win glick |
| 15:44.03 | glick | but the battery doesnt hold a charge, is that most likely the battery broken or the laptop? |
| 15:44.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, glick! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:44.12 | abrotman | glick: the battery is likely shot |
| 15:44.13 | glick | nice! |
| 15:44.17 | Kerr | asuffield: and the weirdly baned 5.1 ? |
| 15:44.18 | karsten | dvs: Sooth. |
| 15:44.21 | SnuS | how do I clean my named cache ? so it regets the DNS of every hostnames instead of taking them from cache ? |
| 15:44.32 | doojin | THE PARTITIONER ONLY SHOWED EMPTY PARTITION TO ME |
| 15:44.33 | abrotman | SnuS: restart it? |
| 15:44.35 | Supaplex | SnuS: soap ;) |
| 15:44.37 | abrotman | !caps |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, caps is Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them. |
| 15:44.41 | glick | hehe ima trade this lappie for an ipod |
| 15:44.45 | SnuS | Supaplex :) |
| 15:44.48 | SnuS | abrotman that wont work. |
| 15:44.55 | elnovato | doojin: you should use winxp |
| 15:44.55 | asuffield | Kerr: it claims 25W over the whole system, which will primarily be in the bass range |
| 15:44.56 | doojin | SO I HAD TO DELETE MY DATAS IF I WANTED TO INSTALL |
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| 15:45.13 | elnovato | doojin: dont yiell.. or..... |
| 15:45.16 | abrotman | SnuS: ok |
| 15:45.21 | melodie | hello, I found the flood channel, sorry I flooded here :) |
| 15:45.26 | Kerr | the ampe looks like 16wm but it's seen the world before i got it, and anything that was written isn't anymore. Could be more or less. |
| 15:45.29 | doojin | flood |
| 15:45.33 | Kerr | 16w^ |
| 15:45.52 | xam | Kerr: from 2.68MW down to 16W ... |
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| 15:46.31 | Kerr | i'm being conservative. the thing fits snugly under my desk. |
| 15:46.41 | elnovato | what is that distro with startups from cdrom and is good to rescue systems? |
| 15:46.55 | glick | gnoppix? |
| 15:46.58 | Kerr | never made a claim of that kinda' rms power. |
| 15:47.01 | dvs | elnovato: Debian (normal CD) |
| 15:47.03 | karsten | elnovato: Knoppix. LNX-BBC. |
| 15:47.14 | karsten | dvs: That's got limited recovery tools. |
| 15:47.21 | abrotman | debian has a good rescue system |
| 15:47.47 | karsten | abrotman: Do tell. |
| 15:47.51 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.10 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 15:48.26 | xam | I knew it !!! |
| 15:48.29 | Kerr | lol |
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| 15:48.33 | karsten | elnovato: Incidentally, if you've got a bootable CD, you can run a Debian install from within it via debootstrap. Read the chroot install section of the Debian installer. |
| 15:48.35 | dvs | bah! |
| 15:48.36 | website | how can i tell to the kernel to use /dev/tty1 instead of /dev/console? |
| 15:48.37 | Kerr | and there i was thinking gentoo was to blame |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 15:48.47 | abrotman | bah .. farking dpkg |
| 15:48.48 | karsten | abrotman: What's this Debian rescue/recover of which yous peak? |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | karsten: the boot cds normally have a rescue mode |
| 15:49.04 | abrotman | karsten: the woody cds do |
| 15:49.07 | karsten | abrotman: There's a shell. It's got limited tools. |
| 15:49.18 | karsten | abrotman: LNX-BBC/Knoppix are far more featureful. |
| 15:49.19 | abrotman | did he ask for more than a shell? |
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| 15:49.46 | abrotman | karsten: perhaps .. but he just asked for a rescue CD .. and the debian one works just fine |
| 15:49.49 | karsten | abrotman: AFAICT he doesn't know what he wants, so I think the answer is "yes/no/maybe". |
| 15:49.56 | nvz | you dont need kde for a fuckin rescue |
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| 15:50.00 | abrotman | karsten: let's just kill him! |
| 15:50.01 | karsten | abrotman: For small values of "just fine". Yes, I've used it. |
| 15:50.07 | elnovato | i wish you were here karsten |
| 15:50.13 | nvz | you chroot over to the partition you are rescuing, and boom. |
| 15:50.18 | karsten | abrotman: SIGHUP, SIGUSER, SIGTERM, or SIGILL? |
| 15:50.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:50.25 | Kerr | !dpkg magic hate ball |
| 15:50.28 | Kerr | err |
| 15:50.31 | Kerr | lol |
| 15:50.32 | abrotman | damn right! |
| 15:50.36 | abrotman | !lol |
| 15:50.37 | dpkg | lol is, like, Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 15:51.05 | Kerr | rofl |
| 15:51.10 | Kerr | !rofl |
| 15:51.10 | dpkg | it has been said that rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
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| 15:51.34 | Kerr | rotflmfao |
| 15:51.39 | Kerr | !rotflmfao |
| 15:51.43 | abrotman | !stupid bot tricks |
| 15:51.44 | Kerr | hmm |
| 15:51.44 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 15:51.46 | karsten | Kerr: If you want to play with the bot, please get a room. |
| 15:51.50 | karsten | Kerr: /query dpkg |
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| 15:52.00 | dvs | err |
| 15:52.01 | abrotman | !get a room |
| 15:52.02 | dpkg | Fuck you. |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | see |
| 15:52.11 | greycat | !get a channel |
| 15:52.18 | Kerr | but i'm supposed to be causing all of the worlds problems! |
| 15:52.21 | thingfish | this channel is really low class. |
| 15:52.30 | greycat | thingfish: so you fit right in. |
| 15:52.44 | thingfish | heh, well, you have a point greycat. |
| 15:52.45 | Xemacs | Kerr, thats my job too |
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| 15:53.00 | karsten | greycat++ |
| 15:53.04 | karsten | EdibleText: Hush. |
| 15:53.50 | elnovato | fu#@!$ nano!! curse you!! |
| 15:54.03 | Kerr | i'm pretty sure 'check' is spelt cheque. |
| 15:54.14 | greycat | not in the USA |
| 15:54.19 | EdibleText | only if your non-american |
| 15:54.23 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 15:54.26 | EdibleText | you're |
| 15:54.29 | Kerr | elnovato: don't blame Nano. it's obviously my fault. |
| 15:54.31 | karsten | elnovato: Have you tried starting over? Or hitting <alt><F2> to get console? |
| 15:54.41 | elnovato | curse you Kerr!! |
| 15:54.50 | greycat | Kerrses! |
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| 15:54.57 | dvs | Foiled again. |
| 15:55.06 | Esaj | how do I backup the MBR? |
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| 15:55.28 | karsten | Esaj: dd if=/dev/<device> of=/path/mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 15:55.33 | xam | Esaj: with dd ... just the first 512bytes of your hard disk |
| 15:55.34 | Trewas | are checks still in wide use somewhere? I thought they died with 1980's |
| 15:55.37 | Esaj | cheers |
| 15:55.41 | possie | i'm trying to insmod a module, but i'm getting Unkown sysmobl so i check my System.map but i do have that particular sysmbol, now i see the message "vmmon: disagrees about version of symbol filp_close" but i'm using the standard System.map and vmlinuz for debian |
| 15:55.42 | elnovato | how to install nano manually on net install?? seems apt isnt funcionally yet |
| 15:55.48 | Kerr | i like being able to differentiate between a tick makr on a list, and a peice of paper with a signature that signas the moving of funds to or from my bank account... |
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| 15:55.56 | dvs | possie: Dont insmod, modprobe instead |
| 15:55.56 | greycat | Trewas: yes, they're still widely used |
| 15:56.09 | greycat | not *as* widely used as they were before debit cards, though |
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| 15:56.19 | Xemacs | how can i install a kernel into a chroot? here is error i get with dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 kernel-image-2.6-686 "/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hdb3 is not a block device" |
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| 15:56.34 | karsten | elnovato: apt-get install nano or d/l the package and 'dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/nano*.deb |
| 15:56.34 | fmarostica | how i can load pam_unix.so manually> |
| 15:56.35 | fmarostica | ? |
| 15:56.41 | greycat | Xemacs: make the devices. |
| 15:56.45 | karsten | fmarostica: modprobe pam_unix |
| 15:56.45 | possie | dvs: is that allot diffrent? |
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| 15:56.50 | Trewas | greycat: how antiquated :) |
| 15:56.52 | possie | s/allot/alot |
| 15:56.52 | greycat | Xemacs: man MAKEDEV |
| 15:56.57 | greycat | Trewas: yeah well... |
| 15:56.58 | Xemacs | greycat, i have udev ? |
| 15:57.00 | dvs | possie: Yes, it takes care of any dependencies |
| 15:57.06 | karsten | possie: s/alot/a lot/ |
| 15:57.06 | possie | dvs: allright thanks |
| 15:57.09 | greycat | Xemacs: I'm sorry. I hear there's an antidote for it now. |
| 15:57.14 | possie | Karhuton: hehe whoops :-) |
| 15:57.15 | Kerr | cheques are what people use to spend cash they don't have, the day before payday, so they can not have it again tomorrow. |
| 15:57.21 | fmarostica | karsten, helium:/etc/squid# modprobe pam_unix |
| 15:57.21 | fmarostica | FATAL: Module pam_unix not found. |
| 15:57.32 | greycat | fmarostica: pam modules are not kernel modules |
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| 15:57.49 | fmarostica | greycat, i think |
| 15:57.53 | karsten | fmarostica: find /lib/modules/$( uname -r ) -name pam_unix\* |
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| 15:57.55 | greycat | Kerr: or to pay bills |
| 15:58.01 | fmarostica | greycat, how load this? |
| 15:58.08 | greycat | fmarostica: less /etc/pam.d/login |
| 15:58.08 | karsten | nvz: My reality check mated. |
| 15:58.09 | Kerr | i think i need to redefine that one.. |
| 15:58.16 | greycat | fmarostica: you don't "load" PAM modules. You configure PAM. |
| 15:58.27 | karsten | greycat: Point. |
| 15:58.27 | Kerr | they are what students such as myself use before payday :) |
| 15:58.38 | fmarostica | greycat, squid uses /etc/pam.d/squid |
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| 15:58.47 | fmarostica | greycat, squid load pam_unix.so |
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| 15:58.51 | Kerr | mm.. squid. |
| 15:58.53 | greycat | fmarostica: that's news to me. I've never seen a PAMified squid yet. |
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| 15:59.09 | greycat | fmarostica: so anyway... compare /etc/pam.d/login (or other) to /etc/pam.d/squid |
| 15:59.15 | fmarostica | greycat, how i load pam modules ? |
| 15:59.19 | Kerr | i want calimari now. AFK. |
| 15:59.27 | fmarostica | greycat, hmmmm |
| 15:59.28 | xam | fmarostica: you don't |
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| 16:00.00 | greycat | !cluebat fmarostica |
| 16:00.11 | possie | dvs: but does the System.map also contain the symbols of modules compiled during kernel compile? |
| 16:00.17 | karsten | fmarostica: You list them in your PAM configs, which is frankly a bit of a black art. |
| 16:00.39 | caphuso | finally... 11444 ttyS0 S+ 0:00 ion3 |
| 16:01.02 | greycat | isn't ion a WM? |
| 16:01.09 | caphuso | yes |
| 16:01.13 | nvz | I never heard of ion3 |
| 16:01.16 | greycat | so.. what's it doing running on a serial port? |
| 16:01.22 | possie | how can i load a module with modprobe that's in my current directory, and not in my /lib/modules/ dir |
| 16:01.29 | caphuso | greycat: i started it of my VT420 |
| 16:01.31 | elnovato | is there any more decent that sarge net installer?? what about business card?? |
| 16:01.34 | greycat | possie: you don't. |
| 16:01.51 | zakame | ion3, ion2 development edition |
| 16:01.54 | FieldySnuts | @ep |
| 16:02.04 | zakame | caphuso: you're on ion3 now? |
| 16:02.07 | caphuso | zakame: yeah |
| 16:02.08 | karsten | greycat: Yes. Tiled windows. |
| 16:02.09 | xam | elnovato: there are netinstall buisiness CDs last time I looked |
| 16:02.09 | greycat | elnovato: the 110 MB sarge net install has worked for MANY people. on i386 at least. |
| 16:02.36 | zakame | caphuso: how's it? migrated to ion2? |
| 16:02.38 | possie | greycat: okee |
| 16:02.39 | karsten | possie: man modprobe |
| 16:02.39 | greycat | caphuso: I thought... it was an *X* window manager. |
| 16:02.45 | caphuso | greycat: it is |
| 16:02.58 | zakame | s/to/from/ |
| 16:02.59 | elnovato | seems the sarge net install doesnt work for laptops very well |
| 16:03.06 | abrotman | elnovato: liar |
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| 16:03.10 | nvz | I ditched Ion again. I may go back, once I feel like writing mile-long configs. it pisses me off, it kept getting me stuck in bzflag everytime I would press a function key or some other landmine on the keyboard it should not be trapping in the first place |
| 16:03.10 | Kerr | the only time i used netinstall it was was a b0rked image. |
| 16:03.11 | caphuso | greycat: but that doesn't mean you can't start it like "DISPLAY=:0.0 ion3" when logged in through a dumb terminal |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | elnovato: it's your laptop |
| 16:03.20 | greycat | caphuso: ah. |
| 16:03.24 | abrotman | elnovato: linux-laptop.net |
| 16:03.35 | valdyn_ | elnovato: i very much doubt that the sarge net installer cares about the physical look of your computer |
| 16:03.49 | elnovato | abrotman: toshiba only was tested with slackware acording linux-laptop.net |
| 16:03.50 | greycat | valdyn_: mac OS might. |
| 16:03.59 | abrotman | elnovato: google ? |
| 16:04.01 | caphuso | greycat: that way i could simply ctrl-c when i messed up the key bindings too much |
| 16:04.02 | FieldySnuts | @fuck toshiba |
| 16:04.05 | abrotman | elnovato: so see what slackware did |
| 16:04.09 | abrotman | !win FieldySnuts |
| 16:04.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 16:04.15 | abrotman | toshiba makes total crap |
| 16:04.17 | FieldySnuts | oh. no ravenbird ;/ |
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| 16:04.30 | zakame | hehe |
| 16:04.31 | elnovato | snif.. |
| 16:04.31 | FieldySnuts | actually, screw laptops period. hate em. |
| 16:04.35 | karsten | elnovato: Tip: the installer *isn't* something a lot of Debian users use frequently because we don't have to reinstall all the time. Join an installer-specific channel or ask on a mailing list. |
| 16:04.46 | EdibleText | are there any good new laptops? |
| 16:04.51 | greycat | define "good" |
| 16:05.00 | xam | define "laptop" |
| 16:05.03 | karsten | EdibleText: Thinkpads rock. |
| 16:05.08 | FieldySnuts | good and laptop in the same sentance is rather like the words military and intelligence in the same sentance |
| 16:05.20 | glick | i love my dell |
| 16:05.22 | abrotman | EdibleText: i do really like my ThinkPad ... |
| 16:05.25 | elnovato | sarge laptops are nice |
| 16:05.25 | abrotman | !dell |
| 16:05.25 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
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| 16:05.30 | Kerr | I loved my debian thinkpad (p1, 166mhz) 'till the day it died. |
| 16:05.31 | zakame | FieldySnuts: heh |
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| 16:05.36 | EdibleText | well I guess the most important part of a laptop is physical attributs wieght size and durability |
| 16:05.51 | zakame | what's the best brand for a laptop? |
| 16:05.53 | EdibleText | some new laptops are so thin and flat are, they flex |
| 16:05.55 | greycat | I think Walmart has to top Dell in "worst company to do business with" |
| 16:05.56 | FieldySnuts | yeah, don't worry about how it performs. sounds like most people |
| 16:06.03 | elnovato | zakame: nokia |
| 16:06.10 | FieldySnuts | greycat: barely |
| 16:06.19 | karsten | EdibleText: Two words: Service Contract. |
| 16:06.20 | nvz | you open the screen grasp it at one of the 4 corners and see how much it bends or creeks to its own weight |
| 16:06.25 | EdibleText | karsten, word |
| 16:06.33 | karsten | EdibleText: s/word/words/ ;-) |
| 16:06.41 | zakame | elnovato: pokia, you mean |
| 16:06.44 | karsten | EdibleText: Everything I've heard about IBM laptop service rocks. |
| 16:06.46 | valdyn_ | EdibleText: watch their heat output too if you are male and use it on your lap ) |
| 16:06.48 | ricky_clarkson | EdibleText: Congrats on the nick. |
| 16:06.48 | EdibleText | karsten, I was trying to keep it old school |
| 16:06.49 | greycat | FieldySnuts: or Microsoft, a.k.a. "Succeed or die. If you succeed, we'll buy you. If you die, we'll ignore you. Either way, we win." |
| 16:06.59 | abrotman | greycat: ever tried to fix a Dell? |
| 16:07.01 | zakame | elnovato: or port-o-rotary |
| 16:07.07 | CaD | fixing dells suck |
| 16:07.12 | abrotman | though .. toshiba makes some horrible fucking laptops |
| 16:07.14 | SnuS | does anyone know if darkice can send the same stream to both an icecast and a shoutcast sever, without encoding it twice ? |
| 16:07.27 | greycat | abrotman: if you mean at the hardware level... Compaq has them beat on What-the-fuck-is-THAT-ness. |
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| 16:07.30 | abrotman | i had to completely dismantle the fucker to replace the CD drive |
| 16:07.41 | abrotman | greycat: dell glues the heat sink to the CPU |
| 16:08.11 | Count0 | noob question: How do I set the language in GNOME (debian Sarge underneath)? |
| 16:08.18 | nvz | how you know its not just thermal compound? |
| 16:08.23 | greycat | Count0: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:08.27 | zakame | not really, my cousin had a dell inspiron 4000 with 64 mb memory, runs fine with both debian, knoppix an xp pro sp2... |
| 16:08.30 | karsten | Count0: gnome-control-panel? |
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| 16:08.36 | Weems | I have a S3 Trio 32 video card and i have selected all of the correct options on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and I still cannot use startx correctly, I get a big list of errors and the bottom one being no screens found |
| 16:08.53 | karsten | Count0: ...and you may need the appropriate language locales installed as well. |
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| 16:08.55 | FieldySnuts | get rid of the s3 seriously. |
| 16:08.57 | valdyn_ | !unix lessons |
| 16:08.57 | dpkg | somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 16:09.07 | zakame | Weems: turned off framebuffer? |
| 16:09.08 | abrotman | nvz: because you can't physically remove the heatsink with out damaging the CPU |
| 16:09.10 | nvz | zakame: you said xp pro sp2, that gives it away you are lying right there :) |
| 16:09.10 | valdyn_ | Weems: look at lesson 9 |
| 16:09.11 | greycat | Weems: if you have *anything* better than the s3, use it. |
| 16:09.20 | Count0 | greycat: ThX, I tried this, it's still en_us - KDE is de_de.... |
| 16:09.38 | abrotman | nvz: and i really mean glue |
| 16:09.41 | EdibleText | nvz, the compound is stronger then the heatsink or CPU |
| 16:09.41 | nvz | WinXP barely runs with 128mb ram |
| 16:09.44 | Count0 | karsten: my KDE is de_de, gnome is not... |
| 16:09.54 | greycat | nvz: confirmed. |
| 16:09.55 | Weems | greycat: ive ordered a Diamond video card |
| 16:09.56 | zakame | nvz: nope. it did work, why? shouldn't it be? |
| 16:10.02 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: unix lessons ~= s/fsck/fuck/ |
| 16:10.02 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, ricky_clarkson |
| 16:10.04 | possie | karsten: but System.map contains al the symbols that er in vmlinuz kernel right? |
| 16:10.06 | greycat | nvz: especially when 32 MB of that 128 MB is used by the video chipset. |
| 16:10.08 | FieldySnuts | heh. diamond isn't much better |
| 16:10.15 | elnovato | Integrity test failed : "the ./pool/main/n/nano/nano_1.2.4-2i386.deb file failed MD5 verification, debian apologies for our bugs" |
| 16:10.15 | karsten | Count0: Probably a GNOME-specific confit. I don't run GNOME as a matter of course, look at it occasionally. |
| 16:10.17 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: suck my hairy balls |
| 16:10.18 | karsten | possie: ?? |
| 16:10.26 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 16:10.28 | nvz | zakame: windows explorer takes up 32mb with nothing open, another 32mb goes to your video |
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| 16:10.40 | zakame | nvz: actually, when I installed xp it had sp1 integrated, then later on i installed sp2... |
| 16:10.41 | greycat | poor dpkg, failed his Turing test again. |
| 16:10.42 | sanso | Count0, do You have the apropriate i18n-package installed? |
| 16:10.50 | nvz | windows cant hardly move with 128mb ram |
| 16:10.50 | karsten | possie: Could be. Not my area of expertise. |
| 16:11.05 | sanso | Count0, or was ist l10n? |
| 16:11.13 | nvz | I know my cousin has a 2.2ghz w/ 128mb ram and XP crawls |
| 16:11.15 | sanso | Count0, S:/ist/it/g |
| 16:11.16 | Count0 | karsten: thx anyway. It is just a matter of beauty (wanna provide a Linux box to my good ol' daddy;) |
| 16:11.16 | possie | karsten: whoops i mnt dvs |
| 16:11.19 | karsten | nvz: It works fine in Safe Mode. Just when you want to _use_ it that it sux. |
| 16:11.19 | zakame | nvz: I had to disable many of xp's tweaks, particularly visual themes, but not the font smoothing... now it purrs like a tiger :D |
| 16:11.23 | possie | dvs: but System.map contains al the symbols that er in vmlinuz kernel right? |
| 16:11.25 | karsten | Count0: Dig. |
| 16:11.29 | karsten | possie: OK. |
| 16:11.36 | karsten | possie: We _do_ look alike.... |
| 16:11.40 | karsten | possie: ...on IRC. |
| 16:11.41 | dvs | possie: no, it contains the dependencies of the modules |
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| 16:11.56 | EdibleText | zakame, what do they call it.. traditional mode or something |
| 16:12.01 | Count0 | sanso: dunno, found no i10n / i18n matters in gnome config... |
| 16:12.03 | zakame | nvz: explorer works very fine even at that 64mb limit. |
| 16:12.04 | EdibleText | look like 2K |
| 16:12.11 | Count0 | where is gnome rc file, anyway? |
| 16:12.16 | sanso | Count0, look into installed packages |
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| 16:12.20 | FieldySnuts | can you guys like, take the MS chat somewhere else |
| 16:12.22 | possie | dvs: cause i can't use modprobe since the module i'm loading is not part of the kernel modules, it's a other kernel modules provided by third party |
| 16:12.25 | nvz | zakame: yeah well *points at the magician guy* you see what happens to people who befriend tigers, now dont you. |
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| 16:12.49 | greycat | Count0: ~/.gnome* |
| 16:12.55 | greycat | and also ~/.gconf* |
| 16:12.56 | karsten | Count0: GNOME uses gconf for configuration. There's no one file, it's a mess of 'em under .gnome* |
| 16:13.01 | dvs | possie: There should be instruction on where to put the modules in /lib/modules and then run depmod -ae |
| 16:13.04 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, its a healthy release. Like taking a crap |
| 16:13.05 | Count0 | greycat: all empt xml:( |
| 16:13.20 | zakame | EdibleText: yeah, similar to me, but actually faster |
| 16:13.21 | FieldySnuts | yes. but you take a crap in a toilet. |
| 16:13.24 | Count0 | karsten: how can I use gconf, just type it? |
| 16:13.34 | ricky_clarkson | Count0: gconf-editor |
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| 16:13.35 | karsten | dvs: Your modules *are* installed under /lib/modules/<kernel-version>/ when properly installed. |
| 16:13.37 | stooney | is anyone here that could help me to get 3c2000-T network card to work with debian ? :/ |
| 16:13.37 | shadebob | hi, |
| 16:13.37 | elnovato | seems the net install iso, on debian ftp is corrupted md5 |
| 16:13.39 | zakame | nvz: and lions! don't forget to mention that :p |
| 16:13.41 | karsten | Count0: You *really* don't want to ask me. |
| 16:13.47 | EdibleText | ehe |
| 16:13.50 | dvs | karsten: agreed |
| 16:13.54 | karsten | shadebob: Aren't you a screensaver? |
| 16:14.04 | possie | dvs: can't find the -e argument in the manpage of modprobe |
| 16:14.14 | karsten | stooney: google 3c200-T linux module |
| 16:14.18 | shadebob | karsten : no :) just an human |
| 16:14.22 | dvs | possie: depmod -ae |
| 16:14.23 | greycat | stooney: if the sarge net install doesn't see it, google for it.' |
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| 16:14.48 | shadebob | Someone can help me to set up quota on a woody? I have installed quota and quotautils but.... |
| 16:14.50 | Count0 | karsten: fg :D |
| 16:14.53 | bpence | Can someone help me get my synaptics touchpad to work with X? it worked on initial install of sarge, but after the first reboot, X won't reload. |
| 16:14.59 | stooney | well i have start hate google since i tryed to install this card, been searching and searching |
| 16:15.13 | greycat | stooney: it might not *have* a linux driver, then. |
| 16:15.14 | karsten | Count0: fg? |
| 16:15.23 | zakame | FieldySnuts: yeah, that's a good idea |
| 16:15.26 | OpenRealty | Does anyone know how to allow access for an ip address on the lan for webmin |
| 16:15.35 | greycat | no. |
| 16:15.38 | elnovato | whast the CD type to burn an net install image? |
| 16:15.41 | karsten | stooney: 'lsmod' and grep for your ethernet cards. Use that line in a Google search as well. Should turn up your driver or the bad news. |
| 16:15.52 | greycat | elnovato: um... round? flat? shiny? |
| 16:15.56 | bpence | elnovato: juliet |
| 16:15.56 | karsten | elnovato: ?? |
| 16:15.58 | Count0 | karsten: fat grin... |
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| 16:16.04 | karsten | Count0: Ah. |
| 16:16.21 | karsten | Count0: Me and GNOME don't get along too well. Google "jeff waugh in his own words". |
| 16:16.22 | greycat | elnovato: 'cdrecord dev=X,Y,Z -v myimage.iso' |
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| 16:16.30 | RainbowW | what port does vncserver listen to by default? |
| 16:16.40 | suifur | 5900 or 5901 |
| 16:16.42 | FieldySnuts | 51something, netstat -anp | grep vnc when you're running it |
| 16:16.45 | FieldySnuts | or that |
| 16:16.45 | possie | dvs: okee, i'll try that but i will it make it's own dependecies ? will it no just add mymod.o to modules.deb? |
| 16:16.48 | Count0 | karsten: I prefer flux, but my daddy won't like it... |
| 16:16.53 | greycat | or lsof -i | grep vnc |
| 16:16.56 | possie | dvs: /path/to/mymod.o: |
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| 16:17.15 | karsten | Count0: Dig. Frankly, I'd look at KDE, XFCE4, or if Gnome, Ubuntu. |
| 16:17.28 | sanso | Count0, what does 'locale -a' say? |
| 16:17.38 | karsten | Count0: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-January/008588.html |
| 16:17.54 | elnovato | ouch.. |
| 16:18.02 | Count0 | karsten: Ubuntu is what I am planning. KDE is to full-of-anything for al' dad (he's 78). |
| 16:18.07 | possie | dvs: i've put it in kernel/drivers/misc run depmod -ae but modprobe still doesn't fnd it |
| 16:18.09 | dvs | possie: It will add the dependent modules but it won't add full pathnames |
| 16:18.15 | OpenRealty | does anyone know where webmins IP access list control is located? |
| 16:18.18 | greycat | no. |
| 16:18.21 | dvs | possie: as root? |
| 16:18.46 | greycat | sad but true... there are 9 people in #webmin, which has no topic. |
| 16:18.46 | elnovato | should the laptop must have disabled acpcpi ? |
| 16:18.47 | Count0 | sanso: all set to de_DE@euro exept LC_MESSAGES=C |
| 16:18.57 | karsten | Count0: XFCE4. I was using it with kids in a computer lab, went over well. |
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| 16:19.13 | xam | stooney: you can read here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/69418 or try the sk98lin kernel module |
| 16:19.17 | OpenRealty | yes I have tried #webmin and no one is talking |
| 16:19.24 | Count0 | karsten: XFCE seems a little cryptic to me... |
| 16:19.32 | OpenRealty | I am also googling away |
| 16:19.36 | greycat | they probably can't figure out how to make the words appear when they click on the IRC window |
| 16:19.38 | sanso | Count0, an de_DE@euro is available? (use the -a flag) |
| 16:19.41 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Would it be a good idea for Debian to allow an administrator to run stable, but allow normal users to, in their home directories, install testing and unstable stuff for themselves? |
| 16:19.43 | karsten | Count0: XFCE4, not xfce. |
| 16:19.46 | FieldySnuts | heh won't get much if any webmin help here, very frowned upon here. learn to admin. |
| 16:19.52 | karsten | Count0: ...it's sort of Mac OS X-ish. |
| 16:19.56 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: that's not even possible, let alone a good idea. |
| 16:20.03 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Why is it not possible? |
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| 16:20.08 | Count0 | sanso: sure, it works in KDE and flux console |
| 16:20.09 | karsten | Count0: http://www.xfce.org/ |
| 16:20.10 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: get a second machine for the users. |
| 16:20.13 | OpenRealty | sorry guys I am new to IRC and debian |
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| 16:20.34 | greycat | OpenRealty: then I seriously suggest you stop using webmin. |
| 16:20.38 | karsten | Count0: Nice thing: you've got a panel. Add icons to it for the tools he uses (browser, mail, printer, etc. are already there). |
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| 16:20.55 | sanso | Count0, I'm just not sure, if gnome and KDE use the same mechanism for l18n. KDE has a dedicated package, GNOME doesn't |
| 16:20.58 | zakame | greycat: no, its possible given you have very high amounts of HD space, maybe about a terabyte per user, and user-mode-linux |
| 16:21.01 | Count0 | karsten: looked up the link (agony in seven fits) - hilarious! ThX:D |
| 16:21.01 | OpenRealty | greycat: the port isnt forwarded |
| 16:21.02 | karsten | Count0: ...and it's themeable to how you want it, including Windows 9x/XP or Mac Platinum or Aqua themes. |
| 16:21.09 | karsten | Count0: ;-) |
| 16:21.11 | ricky_clarkson | zakame: Why would you need UML? |
| 16:21.12 | karsten | Count0: ...and it's all true. |
| 16:21.13 | greycat | !webmin |
| 16:21.13 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 16:21.40 | possie | dvs: i did it as root indeed, now i put the module in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc && depmod -ae && modprobe mymod |
| 16:21.46 | sanso | Count0, so - just to make sure - does 'de_DE@euro' appear in Your list generated by `locale -a` |
| 16:21.46 | ricky_clarkson | Why is webmin unsafe? If you only allow localhost to connect to it, it seems pretty safe, don't you think? |
| 16:21.53 | Count0 | sanso: Is there a i18n / i10n I have to apt-get exclusively for Gnome? |
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| 16:21.54 | zakame | ricky_clarkson: basically to protect stable, but actually more for experiment |
| 16:21.55 | karsten | Count0: One big diff between KDE and GNOME is KDE's c++, and very object-oriented. I find it more consistent and integrated, which for a WM isn't bad. Mind I use WMaker myself. |
| 16:21.58 | possie | dvs: gettng FATAL: module mymod not found |
| 16:22.03 | sanso | Count0, (add a '?') |
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| 16:22.14 | dvs | possie: I don't know then |
| 16:22.17 | sanso | Count0, I couldn't find one. |
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| 16:22.19 | ricky_clarkson | zakame: The OS is already supposed to be pretty immune to malicious users anyway. |
| 16:22.22 | Count0 | sanso: de_DE@utf-8 is right there, I can use it on tty as well! |
| 16:22.27 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: would you trust a car that had been designed by engineers using bright red Fisher Price toy screwdrivers? |
| 16:22.31 | elnovato | who dares to use webmin? |
| 16:22.40 | sanso | Count0, okay, got that. |
| 16:22.45 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: webmin has a long history of clobbering config files and leaving them in unusable states. Much of this may be historical or apocryphal, but it's left a long, bad taste. |
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| 16:22.56 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Can you explain that without metaphors? |
| 16:23.04 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Ah, right. |
| 16:23.16 | sanso | Count0, have You asked in #gnome? |
| 16:23.20 | FieldySnuts | very strongly agree with karsten . learn to admin or leave it to the people who do it for a living like me. |
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| 16:23.42 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: So you don't use any admin interfaces, you edit all your config files by hand? |
| 16:23.45 | Count0 | sanso: yes, but there seems to be no-one in #gnome.... |
| 16:23.50 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: administering a Unix system, the product of 30+ years of computing industry history and initiative and culture, using a fucking web-based GUI, is like designing motor vehicles using bright red hollow plastic screwdrivers |
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| 16:23.59 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 16:23.59 | Count0 | sanso: maybe I should check up later. |
| 16:24.11 | OpenRealty | webmin sucks got it, I need to become more comfortrable at the command line |
| 16:24.13 | sanso | Count0, good luck. |
| 16:24.22 | FieldySnuts | brb bowels acting up |
| 16:24.42 | karsten | OpenRealty: Once you're used to it, cmdline is far superior. |
| 16:24.44 | ricky_clarkson | Well, in these halcyon days of everyone having their own Linux installation, users ARE administrators, and realistically don't know enough, in general. |
| 16:24.49 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: ... with bells in their handles. |
| 16:24.55 | sanso | Count0, maybe this is a #gtk+ thing? try there. |
| 16:25.00 | FieldySnuts | no, they aren't administrators. administrator is a hard earned title from knowledge and experience. |
| 16:25.03 | FieldySnuts | they're users. |
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| 16:25.17 | kaimis | omgf |
| 16:25.17 | _gentgeen_ | Anyone know of a way to force a item to the end of a "sort" besides using "Z" (i.e. I can use 0_filename to force it to the beginning, but what about end?) |
| 16:25.30 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Yes, but they administer their own machine. |
| 16:25.35 | karsten | _gentgeen_: man ascii. |
| 16:25.43 | greycat | _gentgeen_: sort blah | grep -v "myitem"; echo "myitem" |
| 16:25.44 | FieldySnuts | heh no they don't, they just sort of muck around pretending they know something |
| 16:25.49 | ricky_clarkson | So, things like webmin, linuxconf, dpkg-reconfigure, Xconfigurator, etc., *are* necessary unless you expect everybody to learn everything about everything. |
| 16:25.50 | karsten | _gentgeen_: That gives you collate order |
| 16:25.53 | Count0 | sanso: I think, I have everything on the box but cannot switch to de_DE - bummer. I'tt visit #gtk+. ThX a lot! |
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| 16:26.00 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: troll. |
| 16:26.04 | elnovato | business card iso net install sarge, seems is without bugs and works fine... |
| 16:26.07 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Nah, realist. |
| 16:26.12 | zakame | heh |
| 16:26.17 | FieldySnuts | didn't expect such lameness from you, guess i know better now |
| 16:26.37 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: how long have you been in this channel with me? You think I *don't* expect everyone to learn everything? Of course that's what I expect, dammit! |
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| 16:26.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: 3 long years, padre. |
| 16:26.54 | _gentgeen_ | karsten, thanks -- |
| 16:26.57 | zakame | ricky_clarkson: no, man and sudo are all they need. |
| 16:27.10 | themusicgod1 | greycat: where would you start? |
| 16:27.17 | greycat | xam: I think you'll need the higher setting. |
| 16:27.23 | themusicgod1 | tldp? |
| 16:27.25 | greycat | themusicgod1: with a Unix book |
| 16:27.25 | melodie | bye all :) |
| 16:27.28 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: What advantage is there to learning how to hand-configure something, to learning its intimate details? |
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| 16:27.29 | themusicgod1 | which book? |
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| 16:27.40 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: you're trolling me so i'm not reading anymore, good day |
| 16:27.43 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: You don't have to understand every .c file and .h file in Linux to be able to use it, do you? |
| 16:27.44 | greycat | themusicgod1: that's a good question; I'm not really qualified to judge newbie books |
| 16:27.48 | sami | have anyone had problems with recent apt-upgrades in testing? |
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| 16:27.54 | rdancer | why does cdcd play say: ``sr0: CDROM (ioctl) reports ILLEGAL REQUEST.\nNo disc in drive'' |
| 16:28.06 | elnovato | ricky_clarkson: lol |
| 16:28.08 | xam | greycat: shall I go straight to 'ultra'? |
| 16:28.12 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: I'm not trolling, I'm just seeing where your boundary lies between wanting to know everything and just wanting to get on with stuff. |
| 16:28.20 | themusicgod1 | fsck newbie books then :) what's a good unix book |
| 16:28.35 | greycat | themusicgod1: Kernighan & Pike, "The Unix Programming Environment" |
| 16:28.46 | greycat | dated, though. very, very dated... but still mostly relevant. |
| 16:28.50 | sami | about every important binary file gives me error "cannot execute binary file" |
| 16:29.05 | zakame | can anyone get me a copy? |
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| 16:29.07 | elnovato | ricky_clarkson: /join #ihatecomunists |
| 16:29.08 | xam | rdancer: perhaps there is no CD in the drive? |
| 16:29.09 | cahoot | rdancer: the obvious problem is cared for? |
| 16:29.14 | zakame | of that book? |
| 16:29.15 | ricky_clarkson | elnovato: Why? I don't. |
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| 16:29.31 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: I agree that a remote GUI admin tool would be good. I've been mulling a concept for the past few days of a "Linux Small Business Server" to match MSFT's Win2K SBS. |
| 16:30.03 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...and systems like the Cobalt Qube offered similar functionality. As to a lot of Linksys Linux-based router/FWs. |
| 16:30.06 | phy|rdc | guys, i cant compile an new kernel |
| 16:30.12 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Are you in a position to 'mull' with intent? |
| 16:30.13 | xam | rdancer: and better make sure that the CD is not inserted upside down ;) |
| 16:30.18 | karsten | !tell phy|rdc about smart questions |
| 16:30.32 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Provide wine and spices, the answer is yes. |
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| 16:30.53 | doub | hi there |
| 16:30.54 | xam | phy|rdc: strange, works for me |
| 16:30.59 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: I tried some mulled Apfelwein in December, most appealing. |
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| 16:31.07 | phy|rdc | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:31.07 | phy|rdc | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:98:22: sys/stat.h: No such file or directory |
| 16:31.13 | greycat | !b-e phy|rdc |
| 16:31.14 | dpkg | phy|rdc: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:31.16 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Heh. So you have an interest in LSBS? |
| 16:31.18 | phy|rdc | anyone seen that kind of shit before? |
| 16:31.20 | phy|rdc | ah k |
| 16:31.31 | greycat | phy|rdc: yes... often enough that we had to abbreviate it down to b-e. |
| 16:31.34 | greycat | !FAQ phy|rdc |
| 16:31.35 | dpkg | phy|rdc: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:31.36 | phy|rdc | k |
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| 16:31.41 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Not really, just wondering whether your mulling was likely to lead anywhere. |
| 16:31.42 | karsten | phy|rdc: You need your dev packages. |
| 16:31.46 | phy|rdc | thanks |
| 16:31.58 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: It's nascent mulling ATM, but yeah, I'm thinking of going places. |
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| 16:32.40 | petemc | karsten: does opengroupware not go some way towards that? |
| 16:32.41 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Basically: an SBS to match and beat MSFT. Basic services package. Goal: standardized SMB environment. Develop as a package agnostic to (but capable of being packaged as) RPM, DEB, or other. |
| 16:32.45 | phy|rdc | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DevelopmentPage#head-f4f927330ebca1bb5475b7a417fccd75c32fa951 |
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| 16:32.46 | phy|rdc | found it |
| 16:32.47 | phy|rdc | thanks guys |
| 16:32.53 | karsten | petemc: I suspect it's more than just that. |
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| 16:33.32 | karsten | petemc: That would be a component. |
| 16:34.07 | karsten | petemc: One key is to focus not just on technical or software components, but on business roles. |
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| 16:35.01 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: petemc: Stuff to offer: email, calendar, file/print, database, directory services (LDAP), antivirus/antispam/anti-malware, voicemail, VOIP, search (files/directory/database), backup/file versioning, webmail/webfile, remote desktop, file sync - rsync based, web-based admin, script-based admin, failover system twinning |
| 16:35.14 | bloated | hi...in canada with netfile is there any free software for doing it? |
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| 16:35.26 | bloated | taxes |
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| 16:36.07 | greycat | touch-tone phone, maybe? |
| 16:36.19 | abrotman | bloated: that's up to your gov't |
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| 16:36.28 | nostromo^ | Can anyone recommend a document writing system that would be as general as it can be, allowing me to "render" it into .html, .pdfs, etc at will? |
| 16:36.31 | possie | dvs: just looks like debian sarge has packaged the wrong kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386, cause with my custom kernel i can compile and then load my module without any problems |
| 16:36.41 | karsten | nostromo^: DocBook |
| 16:36.44 | abrotman | nostromo^: TeX ? |
| 16:36.56 | karsten | nostromo^: ...or LaTeX. |
| 16:37.05 | petemc | nostromo^: openoffice |
| 16:37.08 | karsten | nostromo^: ...either of which you should be able to do with Lyx. |
| 16:37.10 | tripz__ | i have a raid array (software raid, mirror), and one disk broke down, gonna plug in a new one.. how do i know that the sync wont empty the good drive and not the other way? |
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| 16:37.22 | bloated | abrotman: ya thats why i mean to talk to canadians |
| 16:37.28 | karsten | tripz__: That's what your RAID controller takes care of. |
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| 16:37.29 | nostromo^ | Thanks! |
| 16:37.30 | ricky_clarkson | !canadian |
| 16:37.30 | dpkg | I AM CANADIAN! |
| 16:37.34 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 16:37.34 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 16:37.43 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, so there's no #debian.ca then? |
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| 16:37.53 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: #debian-fr ? |
| 16:37.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:37.57 | tripz__ | karsten: controller? i use software raid.. but then i suppose you mean linux? |
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| 16:38.20 | karsten | tripz__: In which case you've got a SW RAID controller. But same story. |
| 16:38.25 | greycat | #debian-eh |
| 16:38.30 | karsten | tripz__: The RAID component maintains system integrity. |
| 16:38.32 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Nah, French Canadians speak too slowly to be welcome in French channels. They'd appear severely lagged, when the reality is just that they're slow. |
| 16:38.43 | karsten | tripz__: ...note too that you should still have b/u. |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: funny .. we feel the same way about southerners! :) |
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| 16:39.12 | cyberyo | NickB: les canadiens sont gentils pourtant |
| 16:39.23 | bloated | dpkg: what free tax software do u use to netfile? |
| 16:39.24 | dpkg | bloated: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:39.29 | tripz__ | karsten: tnx! |
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| 16:39.48 | cyberyo | s/NickB/ricky_clarkson |
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| 16:39.55 | karsten | abrotman: Now you apologize and ship ricky_clarkson a care package right now. |
| 16:40.05 | karsten | abrotman: ...some RoadKill Possum stew, perhaps. |
| 16:40.10 | abrotman | karsten: he's not from the south |
| 16:40.16 | abrotman | karsten: with grits? |
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| 16:40.19 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Er, I'm from the United States of Britain. |
| 16:40.20 | abrotman | yuck |
| 16:40.26 | karsten | abrotman: Hot. |
| 16:40.32 | abrotman | blech |
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| 16:40.43 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Ah. An *auslander* suthunah. |
| 16:40.44 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: State code FN (Foreign). |
| 16:40.53 | bloated | i just mentioned canada not politics |
| 16:41.07 | abrotman | blame canada! |
| 16:41.09 | bloated | its a country |
| 16:41.10 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: I'm in the North West. |
| 16:41.20 | abrotman | bloated: do you avhe a local LUG you could ask? |
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| 16:41.27 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: seattle? |
| 16:41.32 | bloated | lug? |
| 16:41.35 | abrotman | !lug |
| 16:41.35 | dpkg | lug is probably a linux user group, or sex |
| 16:41.37 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Manchester. |
| 16:41.39 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:41.44 | abrotman | how is lug sex? |
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| 16:41.59 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: "Chorley FM. Coming in your ears." lughole=ear |
| 16:42.02 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Where's that put you? |
| 16:42.08 | ricky_clarkson | A bit tenuous, but.. |
| 16:42.08 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: if you say so |
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| 16:42.14 | eniac_ | hy... i am having problems to execute xchat with xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 |
| 16:42.22 | rudenstam | I must have dropped my brain or something.. can someone remind me what the command is for installing a local .deb package (kernel package from "make-kpkg kernel_image") |
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| 16:42.23 | abrotman | !find libXft.so.2 |
| 16:42.25 | eniac_ | missing library? |
| 16:42.30 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: http://www.multimap.com/map/places.cgi?quicksearch=manchester |
| 16:42.31 | Dave` | Is it possible to include the configuration options of a 3rd party module in the main kernel config using make-kpkg? So that the module options can be configured another way than editing the module's Makefile |
| 16:42.35 | karsten | eniac_: Um. How'd you install xchat? |
| 16:42.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXft.so.2' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/{libXft.so.2|libXft.so.2.1.1}) in libs/libxft2 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/{libXft.so.2|libXft.so.2.1.1}) in libdevel/libxft2-dbg. |
| 16:42.51 | eniac_ | karsten, apt-get install xchat |
| 16:42.56 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: kthx |
| 16:43.03 | abrotman | !info xchat sarge |
| 16:43.06 | karsten | eniac_: Hrm. Any errors? |
| 16:43.27 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 258 kB, Installed size: 688 kB |
| 16:43.27 | rudenstam | found it |
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| 16:44.01 | gtigene | I installed a PCI card but it does not show up in /proc/interrupts. Is there something I have to do to give it an interrupt? Checking with manufacture got no answer. I tried running Kudzu also. |
| 16:44.06 | xarg | hi ... if I have a server with 2 NICs and each nic is connected to a different internet connection but i do NOT want to do load balancing i just want the server to respond on the interface it recieved the initial connection on (multipath default route) how is this accomplished? |
| 16:44.14 | dvs | gtigene: lspci |
| 16:44.22 | gtigene | dvs, thanks. |
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| 16:45.05 | TikiPeg | francais |
| 16:45.12 | xarg | nm i found something .... http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 16:45.26 | karsten | !french |
| 16:45.26 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 16:47.12 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: MSFT Win2K SBS is file/print, IIS, Exhcange 2kS, SQL Server 2k, Terminal Services, and IIS accelerations erver. Basically: Samba, Apache, <mailserver>, Postgres, VNC/LTSP, Squid. |
| 16:47.46 | abrotman | postfix |
| 16:48.11 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Right, so you're saying it wouldn't be too hard to set up something with the same level and ease of configurability. |
| 16:48.22 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Bingo. |
| 16:48.29 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ...but the real bonus is marketing. |
| 16:48.34 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Consistant Message. |
| 16:48.54 | ricky_clarkson | I'd rather have a consistent massage. Go on, explain that term. |
| 16:49.07 | ricky_clarkson | !dict consistant |
| 16:49.09 | dpkg | could not find definition for consistant |
| 16:49.30 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Don't market it with a speeling mistak ;) |
| 16:49.51 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: !fnord |
| 16:50.06 | mlewis00 | !dict consistent |
| 16:50.08 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: I've got a vim ab correction entry for that one. |
| 16:50.09 | dpkg | Dictionary 'consistent' (2 shown; 10 total): (sometimes followed by `with') in agreement or consistent or reliable; "testimony consistent with the known facts"; "I have decided that the course of conduct which I am following is consistent with my sense of responsibility as president in time of war"- FDR ;; With reference to such a lord, to serve and to be free are terms not consistent only, but equivalent. --South.. |
| 16:50.14 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: heh, nice. |
| 16:50.20 | karsten | mlewis00: You got to UCSB? |
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| 16:50.27 | rdancer | xam, cahoot: there is a cd-da that have worked before, in another drive, and it is inserted correctly |
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| 16:50.55 | mlewis00 | karsten: Didn't understand the question... |
| 16:51.04 | ricky_clarkson | mlewis00: "go to" |
| 16:51.06 | karsten | mlewis00: That would be a "no" ;-) |
| 16:51.18 | karsten | mlewis00: UCSB == Univ Calif Santa Barbara. |
| 16:51.33 | karsten | mlewis00: ...also "U Can Study Buzzed...." |
| 16:51.44 | ricky_clarkson | I work at the University of Salford. |
| 16:51.49 | mlewis00 | karsten: Oh, OK, you're right, I don't :) |
| 16:51.54 | ricky_clarkson | We have a staff newsletter - US and Them. |
| 16:52.17 | Esaj | how do I wipe my hard drive securely? |
| 16:52.29 | EdibleText | Esaj, smash it to bitty bits |
| 16:52.37 | Esaj | without destroying it physically :) |
| 16:52.41 | ricky_clarkson | Esaj: With Atropine's quit message. |
| 16:52.42 | EdibleText | oh |
| 16:52.59 | Esaj | well, what if I just want to fill it with zeroes or something |
| 16:53.07 | karsten | Esaj: shred/wipe. Note that if you've got badblocks and are concerned about crucial obliteration, physical destruction. |
| 16:53.08 | ricky_clarkson | Esaj: apt-get install wipe |
| 16:53.13 | stooney | yo geeks, what version, and where, should i get kernel, ? sorry for being such a noop |
| 16:53.14 | Esaj | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hdx? |
| 16:53.35 | ricky_clarkson | stooney: Windows XP Pro, PC World. |
| 16:53.38 | karsten | stooney: aptitude install <kernel version>. I'd go with a recent 2.6 myself, for my arch. |
| 16:53.40 | greycat | stooney: if you have to ask: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:53.46 | mlewis00 | Esaj: You have to write different paterns to the drive at least 3 times to make a secure erase... |
| 16:53.59 | karsten | mlewis00: wipe/shred. |
| 16:54.04 | mlewis00 | Esaj: s/paterns/patterns/ |
| 16:54.08 | Esaj | mlewis00: yeah, I guess my data isn't *that* important :) |
| 16:54.18 | EdibleText | Esaj, you can use /dev/urandom |
| 16:54.31 | karsten | Esaj: Writing /dev/null to your HD won't do much. |
| 16:54.44 | dvs | Esaj: /dev/zero will |
| 16:54.48 | mlewis00 | Esaj: Or badblocks in rw mode with some patterns specified :-) |
| 16:54.58 | phy|rdc | personally |
| 16:55.02 | phy|rdc | i say low level format the drive |
| 16:55.03 | karsten | Esaj: /dev/zero is better. The utilities 'shred' and 'wipe' use programmatically secure patterns, but take a *long* time. Figure a full day, effectively. |
| 16:55.04 | phy|rdc | and zero all data |
| 16:55.09 | phy|rdc | they wont be able to recover shit afterwards |
| 16:55.21 | phy|rdc | i know, ive had the feds all over my drive after that |
| 16:55.27 | Esaj | karsten: ah, yes I don't want it take all day |
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| 16:55.29 | phy|rdc | lol |
| 16:55.29 | phy|rdc | and they couldnt recover shit |
| 16:55.42 | phy|rdc | esaj - i suggest an boot cd |
| 16:55.42 | karsten | Esaj: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<disk> |
| 16:55.43 | EdibleText | phy|rdc, are you a freedome fighter? |
| 16:55.45 | phy|rdc | called |
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| 16:55.48 | Esaj | well there's nothing illegal on it, I don't want people to recover my data easily :) |
| 16:55.49 | phy|rdc | "boot and nuke" |
| 16:55.50 | EdibleText | freedom even |
| 16:55.50 | phy|rdc | google it |
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| 16:55.57 | phy|rdc | nobody will recover shit once u run that :) |
| 16:55.58 | mlewis00 | phy|rdc: That might destroy the drive if you were to *really* accomplish a low level format on the drive... |
| 16:55.59 | Esaj | karsten: ok I'll try that, thanks |
| 16:56.11 | phy|rdc | mvewis00 - i did it on an mac |
| 16:56.12 | phy|rdc | no problems |
| 16:56.19 | phy|rdc | didnt destroy the drive |
| 16:56.21 | phy|rdc | just covered it in zeros |
| 16:56.22 | karsten | Esaj: It's largely Good Enough. It's not fully unrecoverable, but it puts the recovery cost at a few $grand. |
| 16:56.54 | phy|rdc | edibletext - no im not, they just came after me after some silly crap that i did at school ;/ |
| 16:57.07 | phy|rdc | <-- was an stupid teenager back then |
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| 16:57.23 | mlewis00 | phy|rdc: Most modern HDDs /ignore/ low level format commands and just /act/ like they are formatting... |
| 16:57.29 | phy|rdc | ah k |
| 16:57.35 | phy|rdc | well this drive was by no means modern |
| 16:57.36 | phy|rdc | lol |
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| 16:57.40 | phy|rdc | 750mb :D |
| 16:57.51 | phy|rdc | scsi |
| 16:57.57 | karsten | Does Linux have a *server* equivalent of rdestkop? |
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| 16:58.05 | phy|rdc | vnc? |
| 16:58.06 | mlewis00 | phy|rdc: So zeroing the drive is equivalent to a low level format (or as close as you can get)... |
| 16:58.11 | phy|rdc | yea |
| 16:58.19 | phy|rdc | i did both |
| 16:58.21 | phy|rdc | took about 2hours |
| 16:58.25 | phy|rdc | but thats on an really small drive |
| 16:58.25 | EdibleText | karsten, there is support for rdp protocol i think |
| 16:58.28 | vchrizz_work | anyone here who could tell me if connecting to 2001:850:300:20::2 16667 via irc client works? |
| 16:58.29 | mlewis00 | phy|rdc: Oh, in that case, yes you can :) |
| 16:58.30 | karsten | stooney: Don't /msg |
| 16:58.30 | phy|rdc | ooh |
| 16:58.35 | karsten | !tell stooney about msg |
| 16:58.44 | karsten | EdibleText: 411? |
| 16:58.59 | karsten | stooney: Install your freakin' kernel via apt-get/aptitude. |
| 16:59.08 | phy|rdc | i would love to use that and linux instead of that lame windows 2000 server |
| 16:59.12 | EdibleText | karsten, www.rdesktop.org |
| 16:59.14 | phy|rdc | i just didnt put linux on it |
| 16:59.16 | vchrizz_work | phy|rdc: rdp ? remote desktop protocol ? there is rdesktop! |
| 16:59.16 | phy|rdc | because i hate vnc |
| 16:59.17 | phy|rdc | heh |
| 16:59.26 | phy|rdc | vnc sux :) |
| 16:59.28 | gothtec | I have 5 lines of a samba share here... wonder if that's too much for the bot... |
| 16:59.29 | vchrizz_work | apt-get install rdesktop |
| 16:59.30 | gothtec | [music] |
| 16:59.30 | gothtec | path = /home/gothtec/music |
| 16:59.30 | gothtec | read only = Yes |
| 16:59.30 | gothtec | guest ok = Yes |
| 16:59.30 | gothtec | write list = gothtec |
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| 16:59.31 | phy|rdc | yeah |
| 16:59.32 | phy|rdc | thats an client |
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| 16:59.37 | karsten | vchrizz_work: That's *client*. I'm looking at *server*. |
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| 16:59.39 | phy|rdc | i want an server end for rdp |
| 16:59.42 | ricky_clarkson | gothtec: It might be. |
| 16:59.45 | phy|rdc | same karsten |
| 16:59.45 | gothtec | guess it was :/ |
| 16:59.53 | phy|rdc | i havent seen one |
| 17:00.02 | gothtec | anyway.. Those lines are supposed to give read access to guests and write access to me |
| 17:00.03 | phy|rdc | think it may be an m$ thing |
| 17:00.11 | vchrizz_work | oh, i dont think you'll find m$ server software for linux :P |
| 17:00.14 | karsten | EdibleText: That's client. I think VNC is among the better. There's a faster one out that's partially free.... |
| 17:00.14 | gothtec | I am not allowed to write. Anyone who knows what to change? |
| 17:00.15 | phy|rdc | lol |
| 17:00.17 | greycat | gothtec: ask #samba |
| 17:00.22 | bodq | FireFox + SVG, possible? |
| 17:00.22 | gothtec | will do |
| 17:00.23 | petemc | phy|rdc: freenx |
| 17:00.24 | phy|rdc | its too slow/laggy |
| 17:00.28 | greycat | 11:59 gothtec> read only = Yes |
| 17:00.32 | greycat | or it might be that one. |
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| 17:00.39 | phy|rdc | it certainly isnt as good as rdtp |
| 17:00.39 | phy|rdc | *rdp |
| 17:00.53 | gothtec | greycat: i think the manpage says that "write list" overrides read only |
| 17:00.55 | EdibleText | karsten, oh yeah ... I didnt parse *server* |
| 17:01.12 | greycat | gothtec: *shrug*. Why not use unix permissions to control it? |
| 17:01.16 | Etranger | Hello here! I'm trying to create a file synchronisation system between multiple systems (3 windows xp with ftp servers, 1 linux system w/o root access but with ftp and a linux debian server i own) i have found many programs for mirroring the data, but i'm having difficulties creating a logical algorythm to propagate a file deletion or creation (creation is simple, but i can't see how to modify it to allow logical deletion) Anyone here have ever put somethin |
| 17:01.34 | darkness | Hey i'm trying to upgrade to the latest kde from/ 2.2.2 / 3.2 etc. But nothing seems to work any ideas? |
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| 17:01.53 | gothtec | greycat: the shares are mounted from windows machines. unix permissions won't show up and users will complain about not having access to this and that file |
| 17:01.58 | karsten | Etranger: That's a nontrivial problem. |
| 17:02.10 | karsten | Etranger: You'll probably want a version control system. |
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| 17:02.13 | EdibleText | Etranger, dont kill yourself. use rsync or unison |
| 17:02.23 | vchrizz_work | anyone here who uses ipv6 and could tell me if connecting to 2001:850:300:20::2 16667 via irc client works? |
| 17:02.25 | karsten | EdibleText: rsync doesn't propogate deletion. |
| 17:02.33 | gothtec | greycat: I'll try #samba :) |
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| 17:02.38 | karsten | EdibleText: ...at least not bidirectionally. |
| 17:03.01 | Etranger | EdibleText: my problem, with rsync is that when i d the sync between 2 boxes, i recreate the deleted file from the precedent sync (..) what is unisson? |
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| 17:03.10 | karsten | EdibleText: svn, arch, or ($$) BitKeeper. |
| 17:03.15 | EdibleText | karsten you would have to script that for rsync .., unison does however |
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| 17:03.38 | EdibleText | !unison |
| 17:03.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, unison is a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
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| 17:04.21 | Etranger | EdibleText: it will allow multiple system sync or remeber a deleted file? |
| 17:04.41 | karsten | Etranger: Nomachine.com |
| 17:04.48 | karsten | Etranger: NX |
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| 17:04.53 | darkness | Why does my system say on upgrading kde "you have the latest update etc". Is it becasue 2.2.2 is the latest stable distro? |
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| 17:05.10 | karsten | Etranger: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6854504464.html Faster X proxy sort of thing. |
| 17:05.53 | EdibleText | Etranger, youll have to read up on unison... |
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| 17:06.45 | Etranger | ok, i'm going to, tanks |
| 17:06.50 | EdibleText | Etranger, I could go into lengthy examples of syncronizing scenarios,but I wont |
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| 17:07.37 | Etranger | hehe, it's allrigth, i was looking for the correct tool and you gave me the name, tanks |
| 17:07.45 | gothtec | greycat: people in #samba are distastefully quiet :/ |
| 17:08.25 | EdibleText | gothtec, ill try. whats the question? |
| 17:08.42 | Daani_ | how do turn of nividia driver in a console? i can get to a desktop enviroment.... |
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| 17:09.34 | abonilla | when I do adduser it ask's me the name, phone and info from a user, how can I edit that? |
| 17:09.42 | whaq | what's a good way to check scsi disk's condition and integrity? |
| 17:09.55 | EdibleText | abonilla, vipw |
| 17:10.09 | Daani_ | how do i mount a usb drive? |
| 17:10.13 | EdibleText | abonilla, you have to edit the GECOS field |
| 17:10.15 | FieldySnuts | whaq: smartmontools |
| 17:10.17 | abonilla | EdibleText: vipw? ok, thanks... |
| 17:10.27 | mlewis00 | whaq: With software from the manufacturer...usually available free from their web site. |
| 17:10.32 | whaq | FieldySnuts, thanks |
| 17:10.35 | whaq | mlewis00, ok, i'll check |
| 17:10.36 | EdibleText | abonilla, vim /etc/passwd , basically |
| 17:10.39 | FieldySnuts | whaq: then do smartctl -a /dev/sdwhatever . if it's a raid array, I don't really know how to point it at a single disk. |
| 17:10.46 | abonilla | EdibleText: cool, thanks |
| 17:10.47 | useruser | Daani_: plug it in, watch the syslog and then mount the device |
| 17:11.17 | elnovato | how to switch from 100mbs full duplex to half duplex? |
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| 17:11.24 | whaq | FieldySnuts, ok i'll try |
| 17:11.28 | phy|rdc | anyone know what uudecode is |
| 17:11.30 | phy|rdc | and where i can get it? |
| 17:11.31 | gothtec | EdibleText: I need a share to be writeable only by me and readable by anyone (guest). To do this, I've set "read only = Yes", "guest ok = Yes", "write list = gothtec", appart from the path and share name. This makes the files read-only to me as well, even though I was told "write list" would override "read only". Changing it to "read only = No" allows anyone to write, which is not what I want either :/ My question how I can do this... |
| 17:11.33 | greycat | phy|rdc: sharutils |
| 17:11.34 | karsten | elnovato: Install a switch. |
| 17:11.35 | phy|rdc | /bin/sh: line 1: uudecode: command not found |
| 17:11.39 | phy|rdc | k |
| 17:11.42 | karsten | phy|rdc: Install it then. |
| 17:11.45 | phy|rdc | thanks |
| 17:12.02 | elnovato | karsten: i mean in the pc config, seems the debian cant regoxnize correctly the nic |
| 17:12.05 | karsten | elnovato: hubs are half-duplex, switches are full duplex. |
| 17:12.16 | humbolt | can I and if I can, how can I activate preempt in a debian kernel image? |
| 17:12.24 | elnovato | soo i have a switch already |
| 17:12.25 | karsten | elnovato: The NIC mode is controlled by whether or not you're on a hub (slower) or a switch (faster). |
| 17:12.26 | toresbe | my PROGRAM WORKS!! |
| 17:12.34 | phy|rdc | hehe |
| 17:12.39 | karsten | elnovato: And note that _full_ duplex is what you probably want. |
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| 17:12.58 | elnovato | oh, i found the problem |
| 17:12.58 | EdibleText | gothtec, what are the local perms, owner and group? |
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| 17:13.18 | kaimis | ffd |
| 17:13.34 | elnovato | eth0: to much work at interrups INTRSTATUS= 0x0001 <<< the interruption for the nic is with conflicts, how to solve this please??? |
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| 17:14.05 | EdibleText | gothtec, are you connecting from a windows box? what is the username/password on windows... have you set up the user in samba yet? |
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| 17:14.17 | sunrise | hi all, need a automatic way to satisfy build-deps of an debian/control file in my directory; the package is not within APT's sources.list so apt-get build-deps .... won't work ? |
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| 17:15.00 | EdibleText | toresbe, GRATZ! what does it do? |
| 17:15.00 | elnovato | help? |
| 17:15.15 | karsten | elnovato: What's it conflicting with? |
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| 17:15.30 | karsten | elnovato: You may need to physically reorder cards within your system. x86 HW sucks for IRQs. |
| 17:15.30 | elnovato | karsten: how to know what is conflicting with? |
| 17:15.36 | toresbe | EdibleText: not much, yet |
| 17:15.37 | karsten | elnovato: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 17:15.42 | toresbe | EdibleText: But at least it don't segfault |
| 17:15.43 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:15.50 | orchid | can apt or dpkg tell me the last n number of packages that were upgraded or installed? |
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| 17:16.08 | elnovato | soo i need to mees with the bios? |
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| 17:16.49 | greycat | orchid: ls -lart /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list is the closest you will get. |
| 17:16.50 | EdibleText | toresbe, it compiles and doesnt segfault... time to market it |
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| 17:17.10 | orchid | greycat: i'll try that thank you |
| 17:17.12 | toresbe | EdibleText: hehe |
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| 17:19.12 | abonilla | greycat, I have a problem with my e-mail server. I can send e-mails, but I can't get e-mails... :| It worked before I think... any idea of where I could try? |
| 17:19.24 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 17:19.25 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 17:19.27 | ricky_clarkson | abonilla: What error message? |
| 17:19.35 | ricky_clarkson | abonilla: That'll be POP/IMAP, not SMTP. |
| 17:19.49 | abonilla | ricky_clarkson: it's simply returned to the sender... |
| 17:19.49 | greycat | "can't get" is a bit vague. |
| 17:20.00 | greycat | abonilla: what's the message *say* when it's returned? |
| 17:20.02 | ricky_clarkson | abonilla: Oh, so you can't send emails. |
| 17:20.06 | EdibleText | abonilla, check your pop/imap services |
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| 17:20.23 | abonilla | I can send e-mails. I can't receive any... |
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| 17:20.47 | bodq | how can I rebuild debian firefox package with SVG support? should I want to? |
| 17:20.47 | EdibleText | abonilla, does your client cough up an error mesg |
| 17:20.50 | greycat | abonilla: either tell us what the bounce message says, or tell us the domain name. |
| 17:20.51 | elnovato | damn laptop i cant modify bios irq settings!! |
| 17:21.00 | abonilla | 'abonilla@wifitux.com' on 01/25/2005 11:11 AM |
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| 17:21.02 | abonilla | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.12 | greycat | abonilla: that sounds like an outlook configuration issue |
| 17:21.14 | nagytalp | re |
| 17:21.14 | jewel | i have a mozilla compiled with gcc3.2, where do I get a java plugin? |
| 17:21.19 | Katana | yo |
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| 17:21.29 | greycat | jewel: /msg dpkg java |
| 17:21.31 | Katana | http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/wildwin/2004/ad_picnumb.dsml?catdescrip2=abb&posdescrip2=hc&picnumb=24 |
| 17:21.42 | bodq | greenfly: rather an exim configuration problem |
| 17:21.46 | bodq | err |
| 17:21.48 | elnovato | wtf my network doesn work!1 |
| 17:21.51 | boukensya | hey guys.. sorry to bother you but I am getting :-( /dev/dvd: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 9 ... anybody know why this is happening? cheers |
| 17:21.52 | bodq | greycat: rather an exim configuration problem |
| 17:22.11 | abrotman | !moo |
| 17:22.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 17:22.27 | ricky_clarkson | elnovato: That's quite rare for an IRC user. |
| 17:22.28 | abonilla | greycat: hhmm can you send me an e-mail? abonilla@wifitux.com ? it's really odd. |
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| 17:22.50 | elnovato | i mean the network nic on my laptop is failing |
| 17:22.52 | row- | Hi there, does anyone know the syntax for /etc/syslog.conf to filter out remote logs into their own files, ie if I have a router doing remote logging to my deb box? |
| 17:23.08 | justin | elnovato: the network network interface card? |
| 17:23.10 | karsten | Anyone else here migrate to SpamAssassin 3.x from 2.x and notice a large drop in false positives? |
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| 17:23.27 | gothtec | EdibleText: yes. everything concerning that is ok. I'm using the same login/password that I use in windows, which means no password will have to be provided when accessing the share, since windows automatically tries the ones provided at login (which is very insecure from m$'s side, btw). I've also tried from a linux machine to verify this, however. |
| 17:23.30 | elnovato | how i can disable interfaces wich are using irq manually? |
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| 17:23.47 | gothtec | EdibleText: It's all a matter of the permissions on the samba share afaik |
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| 17:24.21 | greycat | @4000000041f680a939f5f97c delivery 124364: success: 200.91.94.134_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_Ok:_queued_as_20DD6BF810/ |
| 17:24.33 | elnovato | ? |
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| 17:24.48 | abonilla | greycat, OK so a outlook error then? |
| 17:24.48 | nagytalp | possible to running debian with X (blackbox) in a P1-233 with 16 Mb of ram and 1M vcard ? :)))) |
| 17:25.10 | plus | ? |
| 17:25.30 | greycat | nagytalp: probably, yes. The 16 MB will make it hard. |
| 17:25.30 | abrotman | nagytalp: to run yes .. install might be hard |
| 17:25.37 | abrotman | nagytalp: i think you will need woody installer |
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| 17:25.48 | greycat | woody or earlier, for sure. sarge requires 24 MB. |
| 17:26.06 | EdibleText | gothtec, what are the local perms, and you dont have map to guest = bad user or some such do you? |
| 17:26.09 | abonilla | greycat: ricky_clarkson thanks guys... :) |
| 17:26.17 | nagytalp | i installed but without X, and i know its hard :))) |
| 17:26.24 | abrotman | !tell nagytalp about setup x |
| 17:26.29 | abrotman | !tell nagytalp about setupx |
| 17:26.33 | abrotman | !tell nagytalp about set up x |
| 17:26.35 | greycat | once you've got the base system installed, the rest is easy |
| 17:26.36 | abrotman | mother of god |
| 17:26.39 | EdibleText | nagytalp, swap will be your friend |
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| 17:26.48 | nagytalp | thanx ;) |
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| 17:27.03 | elnovato | !tell nagytalp about setup x |
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| 17:28.44 | abonilla | greycat: last one... how can I test spamassasin? |
| 17:29.08 | gypsymauro | there is a way to know which cd contains a program for sarge? there are 15 cd not I don't want to download all them:) |
| 17:29.17 | elnovato | SOS ?? |
| 17:29.26 | elnovato | how i can disable interfaces wich are using irq's manually? |
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| 17:30.01 | jetscreamer | turn box off take cards out |
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| 17:30.05 | EdibleText | how can I get the full listing of dpkg listauth <foo> |
| 17:30.06 | nagytalp | and i got a little problem with sarge. I dont know why but only work in 800*600. Know anybody why?? (in config only the 1024 still ) :) |
| 17:30.10 | jetscreamer | i'm sure there's a better way |
| 17:30.12 | elnovato | how may i know why the irq 10 wich is used by eth0 is being conflicted?? or better, how may i reasing another irq to the eth0 ??? |
| 17:30.35 | jetscreamer | because you don't have your monitor's refresh rates correctly is one possible reason |
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| 17:31.07 | nagytalp | every is set correct |
| 17:31.27 | EdibleText | elnovato, does you bios have a 'reset escd' option? |
| 17:31.38 | elnovato | no, its a stupid toshiba pc |
| 17:31.43 | elnovato | laptop* |
| 17:31.48 | EdibleText | elnovato, you may beable to shuffle the IRQs with that |
| 17:32.23 | Tuttle | Hi ppl, what is your recommendation on using the current sarge for the production server? I heard that the current freeze blocker is some tweaking of the updates generation cluster, so the sarge might be fairy stable now (not counting nonexistent security updates)? |
| 17:32.26 | rdancer | why does the cdrom led blink all the time, even if the cd is freshly inserted (not mounted yet)? it's annoying! |
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| 17:32.32 | rsalazar | is there a place where you can specify the amount of memory a process can take? |
| 17:32.44 | jetscreamer | try the 'medium' setting (advanced medium (basic?) ) when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, nagytalp |
| 17:32.48 | jetscreamer | or have you |
| 17:33.07 | jetscreamer | also, nagytalp, have you hand-edited the file? |
| 17:33.48 | nagytalp | i tried with advanced i knows my monitor and i again withmedium settings |
| 17:34.08 | Ringo999 | ok. debian is running fine now. now i need internetconnection. im thinking about buying either a netgear ma111 or dlink dwl-122 usb wlan adapter. anyone whos got experience with these? how hard is it to get them running under debain? |
| 17:34.15 | nagytalp | only work now on 75Hz 800*600 |
| 17:34.27 | elnovato | SOS ? |
| 17:34.29 | nagytalp | and knows 1024 85 Hz |
| 17:34.51 | nagytalp | and i have no more idea :) |
| 17:34.54 | EdibleText | Tuttle, you could build the server and use time between now and stable release as the shakedown period |
| 17:34.55 | jetscreamer | 1024 should work on 60hz even though your monitor can probably do better, did you try that? |
| 17:35.15 | elnovato | Ringo999: is very hard, get winxp |
| 17:35.18 | abonilla | someone has an idea, on how can I test spammassasin? |
| 17:35.19 | nagytalp | no |
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| 17:35.26 | jetscreamer | worth a shot |
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| 17:35.32 | RedPenguin | Hello all. |
| 17:35.42 | nagytalp | so |
| 17:35.49 | nagytalp | thanx jetscreamer |
| 17:35.51 | jetscreamer | the medium one |
| 17:35.53 | EdibleText | abonilla, there should be an example spam file included with thte package |
| 17:35.56 | nagytalp | i go to try |
| 17:36.07 | jetscreamer | k i'll be around probably |
| 17:36.11 | nagytalp | on 60 Hz? |
| 17:36.22 | jetscreamer | yeah the basic works on everything one |
| 17:36.24 | Ringo999 | elnovato: seriously?...how do i get wlan running under debian? |
| 17:36.26 | jetscreamer | 60 |
| 17:36.32 | nagytalp | ok |
| 17:36.33 | WiFiTux | ls |
| 17:36.38 | ricky_clarkson | Ringo999: Debain is a grate opertnig systme for dsylxeics. |
| 17:36.42 | nagytalp | thanxomuch |
| 17:36.49 | EdibleText | WiFiTux, there should be an example spam file included with thte package |
| 17:36.59 | nagytalp | bye |
| 17:37.05 | jetscreamer | Ringo999, you might find something to help on http://scyld.com/network.html but it's more chipset oriented, i hear not a lot of wifi tuff |
| 17:37.10 | WiFiTux | EdibleText: example on how to test it? |
| 17:37.14 | elnovato | use fax modem |
| 17:37.39 | Tuttle | EdibleText: I hoped in something like that. Unfortunatelly I encountered stupid bug in initrd-tools which disallow to create LVM volumes... the updated initrd-tools may propagate to testing today or tomorrow, but I fear what else bugs may come up... |
| 17:37.44 | elnovato | how to stop the MTA service??? |
| 17:37.48 | elnovato | alo? |
| 17:37.54 | EdibleText | WiFiTux, a file that when sent as mail will be tagged as spam based on a set of hueristics |
| 17:38.18 | WiFiTux | elnovato: which one? postfix stop? |
| 17:38.23 | WiFiTux | EdibleText: ok. |
| 17:38.30 | EdibleText | Tuttle, such is 'testing' |
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| 17:38.32 | FieldySnuts | whiter ravenbird ;/ |
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| 17:38.38 | FieldySnuts | whither, even] |
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| 17:38.42 | Zap-W | if a packet goes to -j QUEUE is it lost forever ? |
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| 17:39.24 | elnovato | where i can tell to debian to use another irq except 10 ??? |
| 17:39.29 | elnovato | help? |
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| 17:39.56 | karsten | elnovato: Physically reorder your cards or assign IRQs in BIOS. |
| 17:40.10 | Tuttle | Anybody has good or bad experience with LVM? What is performance impact? I'll have tons of little files... Is it recommended to use LVM for servers? |
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| 17:40.30 | Tuttle | Met LVM for the first time and considering use it... |
| 17:40.32 | elnovato | karsten: on a laptop reorder?? also, irq can be move on toshiba a60?? any other solution? |
| 17:40.33 | karsten | Tuttle: LVM isn't a filesystem, it's a volume manager. |
| 17:40.42 | Tuttle | karsten: I know what it is. |
| 17:40.49 | EdibleText | karsten, apparently he has a craptop |
| 17:40.49 | peppo | can't find out how to hold and de-hold packages. |
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| 17:41.04 | karsten | Tuttle: LVM allows you to manage multiple disks / partitions in a unified way. If you do a lot of shuttling around of partitions, it may be useful. |
| 17:41.13 | Tuttle | karsten: It is an another logical layer, so it should slower things? |
| 17:41.29 | karsten | elnovato: Well, if I give you two options, and one doesn't work, you now have 2 - 1 = 1 options. |
| 17:41.46 | karsten | Tuttle: Minimal performance impact AFAIC. |
| 17:41.53 | karsten | EdibleText: Point. |
| 17:41.56 | EdibleText | elnovato, longshot. but you might look for a bios update and read the changlogs to see if it provides some sort of escd support |
| 17:41.57 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Respec' to your maths. |
| 17:42.08 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: ;-) |
| 17:42.16 | elnovato | karsten: boths doesnt work, 2 -2 = 0, so means you are the solution |
| 17:42.33 | cahoot | elnovato: read kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel src |
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| 17:42.40 | elnovato | bah, ill thropw that laptop to the trashcan |
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| 17:43.00 | britt | give it to me |
| 17:43.15 | karsten | elnovato: You are incorrect. I am the precipitate. |
| 17:43.23 | elnovato | no.. ill enjoy kicking toshiba from the 4th flor |
| 17:43.27 | elnovato | floor* |
| 17:43.38 | elnovato | heh |
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| 17:43.44 | karsten | elnovato: You *can* run devices which share interrupts. You'll have some performance hits. How significant, I don't know. |
| 17:43.45 | EdibleText | elnovato, down the stairwell? |
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| 17:44.12 | karsten | elnovato: PCI bus handles OK. ISA IIRC doesn't. But that's *way* old. |
| 17:44.22 | EdibleText | youll maximize shortterm satisfction |
| 17:44.28 | Tuttle | karsten: Is LVM widely used and popular on servers? I'm not really sure about traditional partitioning for my new server and LVM would be a solution, but I fear of adding the unnecessary complexity. So I'm unsure and searching for clues. :) |
| 17:44.29 | karsten | elnovato: Alternatively, you can use PCMCIA or USB peripherals. |
| 17:44.37 | elnovato | lol.. |
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| 17:44.49 | EdibleText | elnovato, this is onboard nic? |
| 17:44.53 | karsten | Tuttle: Tell you what, for $5k US, I'll do an industry survey for you. |
| 17:44.59 | elnovato | EdibleText: yes |
| 17:45.12 | Tuttle | karsten: I knew the question sounded dumb. |
| 17:45.17 | tuxero | acepta |
| 17:45.25 | EdibleText | elnovato, did it ever work right? or has something chabged |
| 17:45.31 | karsten | Tuttle: My understanding is that it's relatively widely used and well tested. However there are also partitioning tools which handle nondestructive partition resizing. For myself, I'd leave it out. |
| 17:45.47 | Ringo999 | so is there any usb wlan adapters which are supported by debian? |
| 17:45.52 | elnovato | EdibleText: was working fine, when i was installing with NET INSTALL, but after the reboot didnt respons anymore |
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| 17:46.24 | Tuttle | karsten: For myself, I'd leave it out == You would not use LVM? |
| 17:46.31 | EdibleText | elnovato, conflicting IRQs? with what other device |
| 17:47.05 | karsten | Tuttle: For $5k US I'll do a personal survey.... |
| 17:47.10 | elnovato | EdibleText: cat /proc/interrupts shows eth0 with int 10 loonely |
| 17:47.11 | EdibleText | elnovato, bios doesnt have hobbled support for 'assign irq for video' or something |
| 17:47.18 | Tuttle | karsten: I just didn't understand the last sentence. :) |
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| 17:47.33 | karsten | Tuttle: Yes, I'd skip it. |
| 17:47.36 | elnovato | EdibleText: no, its the more simple bios ever seen.. i can change the date and restart |
| 17:47.39 | andy_ | hola |
| 17:47.40 | Tuttle | karsten: thanks |
| 17:47.53 | EdibleText | elnovato, can you disable onboard devices? |
| 17:48.02 | elnovato | ive disable all |
| 17:48.07 | elnovato | disabled* |
| 17:48.31 | EdibleText | elnovato, then there must be a 'reset configuration data' option |
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| 17:49.12 | Tuttle | karsten: and you are expensive. For $1.5k I'd search someone who'll make the survey for half that price. :) |
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| 17:50.06 | karsten | Tuttle: For $1.499k, I'll take that load off your hands ;-) |
| 17:50.08 | elnovato | EdibleText: there is no such thing |
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| 17:50.22 | Tuttle | karsten: how sweet :-) |
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| 17:50.57 | Vantage | anyone know any biometric (fingerprint) keyboards/readers/mice that work with debian? |
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| 17:51.45 | EdibleText | elnovato, youll have to explore some kind of kernel option. I dont have any knowledge about that offhand. |
| 17:52.07 | elnovato | soo i need to write my own kernel to use on this laptop? |
| 17:52.14 | tuxero | el nat funciona.. obtengo respuesta desde la eth1 del servidor.. hasta la eth0del webserver.. pero si intento entrara desde la eth0 que tiene el FW pasando pro los forwards no pasa nada.. |
| 17:52.15 | EdibleText | elnovato, though someone did give you a suggestion. look through the buffer. |
| 17:53.07 | greycat | !es |
| 17:53.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:53.13 | elnovato | where should i check ? |
| 17:53.22 | EdibleText | Vantage, youll probably have to google for that. I do know there is a PAM module for biometric logins though |
| 17:53.23 | elnovato | tuxero pendejo cabron sali de aqui |
| 17:53.43 | Borgon | Vantage, wherever you work, can i get a secret key? |
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| 17:53.45 | tuxero | elnovato que onda ?. |
| 17:53.52 | Vantage | EdibleText: been doing that actually. any idea the name of the pam module? |
| 17:53.55 | St0n3-C0l | Is there anyway to compress Xvid Videos ? |
| 17:54.06 | EdibleText | elnovato, your buffer.. look for msgs to elnovato |
| 17:54.06 | Vantage | Borgon: it's more for easy data entry then security |
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| 17:54.25 | karsten | St0n3-C0l: Um. gzip? bzip2? If it's not a compressed codec already, you may get some lossless compression. |
| 17:54.39 | elnovato | how may i see the log, of the startup linux ?? |
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| 17:55.08 | m0r3 | afternoon all |
| 17:55.10 | St0n3-C0l | hrmm.. |
| 17:55.13 | drac | elnovato: dmesg ? |
| 17:55.14 | St0n3-C0l | Yeah I think its not |
| 17:55.16 | karsten | elnovato: $PAGER /var/log/dmesg |
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| 17:55.17 | St0n3-C0l | 20 mins video of 200mb :P |
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| 17:55.33 | EdibleText | elnovato, IRC buffer |
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| 17:56.46 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/LinuxSmallBusinessServer |
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| 17:57.09 | Madeye | Hi, guys, I have downloaded ubunto ISO, and burn it, but its not bootable, what to do ? btw i'm very newbie and this is the first ISO I ever downloaded |
| 17:57.26 | NeoTech | anyone knows why my network card is hammering the dhcp server.. ?? i fills the logs with dhcp requests. |
| 17:57.37 | St0n3-C0l | Madeye: Set Your CDROM device on 1st BOOT in BIOS |
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| 17:57.59 | Madeye | St0n3-C0l, already done |
| 17:58.07 | Madeye | St0n3-C0l, but aint bootable |
| 17:58.11 | karsten | !tell Madeye about ubuntu |
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| 17:58.26 | St0n3-C0l | well...when i tried it was booting :P |
| 17:58.38 | m0r3 | u burn it in bootlable system? |
| 17:58.51 | karsten | Madeye: Burn ISO as *IMAGE* not *filesystem*. What's your burn tool? |
| 17:58.53 | Madeye | ah ok guys |
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| 17:59.03 | ricky_clarkson | karsten: Catchy domain name. |
| 17:59.03 | Madeye | what do you recommend, Debian or Ubutnu? |
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| 17:59.08 | m0r3 | or iso system??? |
| 17:59.08 | ricky_clarkson | Madeye: Windows. |
| 17:59.14 | karsten | ricky_clarkson: Thanks. |
| 17:59.16 | Madeye | karsten, k3b |
| 17:59.20 | m0r3 | whith burn program? |
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| 17:59.23 | m0r3 | nero?? |
| 17:59.26 | EdibleText | Vantage, hmm I read about it years ago.. an artical of a profesor and student and the student had written a biometric PAM module... there were text files and such for implemtation.. I cant find it though |
| 17:59.26 | PEACEYALL | sup all |
| 17:59.38 | elnovato | m0r3: use winxp for god sake! |
| 17:59.41 | karsten | Madeye: OK. Not familiar, but it should distinguish between ISO and filesystem burn. Can you mount the CD? |
| 17:59.42 | EdibleText | s/artical/article |
| 17:59.46 | PEACEYALL | whats a good program that can open my wifi other than ndiswrapper? |
| 18:00.00 | greycat | PEACEYALL: Mac OS X, or Windows. |
| 18:00.07 | m0r3 | i use both... for plying cfs2 lol |
| 18:00.08 | PEACEYALL | linux debian |
| 18:00.35 | NeoTech | anyone knows why my network card is hammering the dhcp server.. ?? i fills the logs with dhcp requests. |
| 18:00.36 | Madeye | karsten, well, its .ISO warty-release-install-i386.iso |
| 18:00.59 | karsten | Madeye: ...what is? What do you see if you mount the CD and do an 'ls' of it? |
| 18:01.20 | Madeye | karsten, wait lemme check, one minute please. |
| 18:01.24 | karsten | Madeye: Eg: 'ls /mnt/cdrom'. Should be a list of files. *not* "warty-release-install-i386.iso". If you see the latter, you've bought a coaster. |
| 18:01.32 | karsten | Madeye: _So_ polite. |
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| 18:02.07 | Madeye | karsten, so helpfull :-) |
| 18:02.18 | Madeye | jad@linux:~> ls /media/cdrecorder/ |
| 18:02.19 | karsten | Madeye: ;-) |
| 18:02.20 | Madeye | warty-release-install-i386.i |
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| 18:02.32 | karsten | Madeye: OK. Toss that disk, burn again, do it as an ISO this time. |
| 18:02.46 | greycat | karsten: well, not quite a coaster. he could pull the .iso off it, and then burn that. |
| 18:03.05 | karsten | greycat: ...if he's got 2 CDRs and a really good cache. |
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| 18:03.16 | greycat | but if he already has the .iso on local disk, then it's not worth pulling it from the CD |
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| 18:04.06 | karsten | Madeye: Alternatively, use cdrecord from cmdline |
| 18:04.09 | karsten | Madeye: cdrecord -dummy -v -tao -eject driveropts=burnf ree -pad dev=0,0,0 <imgfile> |
| 18:04.17 | karsten | Madeye: ...that's a dummy/test session. |
| 18:04.20 | karsten | Madeye: cdrecord -v -tao -eject driveropts=burnf ree -pad dev=0,0,0 <imgfile> |
| 18:04.21 | EdibleText | NeoTech, perhaps the client has an agressive 'renew <date>' declaration |
| 18:04.24 | karsten | Madeye: ...is live. |
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| 18:04.34 | Madeye | karsten, ok lemme try |
| 18:04.40 | karsten | Madeye: 'burnfree' should be one word BTW. |
| 18:05.05 | karsten | Madeye: ...and is supported on most recent burners. Allows better buffering of burn. |
| 18:05.18 | karsten | Madeye: Try the dummy burn first to see if it all works right. |
| 18:05.31 | insanekane | hi ... question: how do i get the src debs for kde ? doing apt-get source kde, ionly get a meta-kde package, without any sources in them ... |
| 18:06.01 | Madeye | karsten, cdrecord: No such device or address. Cannot open '/dev/pg0'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 18:06.11 | karsten | Madeye: Or in K3b: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/766 http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=349045&seqNum=2 |
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| 18:06.41 | karsten | Madeye: OK. What's your CDW drive? |
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| 18:07.01 | elnovato | ok, i surrender... instlling winxp to laptop.... |
| 18:07.04 | karsten | Madeye: ...and your bootloader (grbu/lilo). |
| 18:07.06 | MattF | !tell mattf about java |
| 18:07.18 | ricky_clarkson | MattF: /msg dpkg java |
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| 18:07.21 | insanekane | elnovato, bad bad boy ! |
| 18:07.21 | Madeye | Karhuton, lilo, /media/cdrecorder |
| 18:07.27 | m0r3 | dont do that |
| 18:07.28 | karsten | elnovato: Alternatively: boot Knoppix and see what it does with your devices. |
| 18:07.35 | Madeye | karsten, , lilo, /media/cdrecorder |
| 18:07.45 | karsten | elnovato: It's really good at configuring HW. |
| 18:07.52 | m0r3 | get the iso image from xp and burn it using a iso burner like nero |
| 18:07.56 | karsten | Madeye: Um /media/cdrecorder is the mountpoint. What's the device? |
| 18:08.00 | elnovato | karsten: ok.. last try with knopix |
| 18:08.00 | m0r3 | than it will be bottable |
| 18:08.21 | m0r3 | u have burn it using not iso burning program |
| 18:08.22 | karsten | elnovato: google "system-info script" to save configs |
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| 18:08.32 | karsten | elnovato: ...easier to configure stuff if you know what you need. |
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| 18:08.55 | m0r3 | what program u r using to burn the iso image u got? |
| 18:09.32 | karsten | Madeye: Device should be like /dev/hdc or simlar. |
| 18:09.37 | m0r3 | what program elnovato? |
| 18:09.44 | Madeye | karsten, I'm checking :( |
| 18:10.00 | karsten | Madeye: grep /media /etc/fstab ? |
| 18:10.19 | greycat | m0r3: STOP IT!!! My GOD, didn't you ever have an ENGLISH TEACHER in school? |
| 18:10.27 | Madeye | /dev/cdrecorder /media/cdrecorder subfs fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 18:10.41 | karsten | Madeye: ls -l /dev/cdrecofder |
| 18:10.44 | karsten | Madeye: ls -l /dev/cdrecorder |
| 18:10.53 | m0r3 | se voce quiser eu posso falr em outro idioma com voce pode? |
| 18:10.55 | Madeye | m0r3, Actually I have break-up with windows, no more relation and emotions :-) |
| 18:11.04 | karsten | Madeye: ...I suspect that's a link. |
| 18:11.06 | Madeye | karsten, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-01-20 10:03 /dev/cdrecorder -> hdc |
| 18:11.37 | karsten | Madeye: Ok. In LILO you want to have an 'append' line with: hdc=ide-scsi |
| 18:11.41 | insanekane | greycat, some people dont study english as their first language. |
| 18:11.47 | karsten | Madeye: ...rerun 'lilo' after editing. Reboot. |
| 18:11.59 | greycat | m0r3: Cuando hablo espanol, mi vocabulario "sucks", pero yo no "spell it like u r". |
| 18:11.59 | karsten | Madeye: SCSI emulation is much more reliable for CDW. |
| 18:12.16 | Madeye | okay, edited |
| 18:12.18 | Madeye | lemme reboot |
| 18:12.19 | Madeye | :-) |
| 18:12.21 | shingouz | insanekane: not a real good excuse.... (do a whois on me and you see my point) |
| 18:12.23 | karsten | Madeye: See ya. |
| 18:12.26 | Madeye | brb thank you karsten :-) |
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| 18:12.31 | greycat | insanekane: so what? why does that give them a free license to spell things like a 13 year old sending text messages on his mommy's cell phone? |
| 18:12.40 | directhex | greycat gone wild: the best of #debian. coming soon to an internet near you! |
| 18:12.49 | pw | When greycats attack! |
| 18:12.55 | pw | When good greycats go bad! |
| 18:12.57 | karsten | greycat: You been around kids lately? |
| 18:13.01 | directhex | world's deadliest greycats! |
| 18:13.06 | scorphus | do you know of a tool to keep track of time spent in a project? |
| 18:13.07 | insanekane | shingouz, so ? im from india |
| 18:13.08 | greycat | karsten: here. |
| 18:13.10 | karsten | scorphus: A wife. |
| 18:13.18 | scorphus | karsten: LOL |
| 18:13.21 | greycat | !karsten++ |
| 18:13.27 | insanekane | greycat, perhaps then, you should start learning his native language ! :) |
| 18:13.28 | shingouz | insanekane: was english your first language? |
| 18:13.32 | shingouz | mine was not... |
| 18:13.35 | insanekane | shingouz, yes |
| 18:13.51 | insanekane | shingouz, mostly because I did my schooling in Kuwait |
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| 18:14.07 | insanekane | shingouz, I salute you ! :) |
| 18:14.10 | ricky_clarkson | insanekane: This is an English channel, not a Dutch one. The Dutch for "you" is "U". If he wants to speak Dutch he should go to #debian.nl |
| 18:14.14 | shingouz | insanekane: at least you didnt have to freeze your butt off ;) |
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| 18:14.22 | karsten | elnovato: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LinuxSystemInfoScript for system-info |
| 18:14.25 | insanekane | shingouz, LOL :) |
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| 18:16.11 | insanekane | ricky_clarkson, I dont know much about the Dutch language. Another thing is that, in these times of chaos and instability, it is good to be a little tolerant of other people, instead of terrorizing them. Remember, most of the Earth is not connected to the "globalized" Internet culture with English as its lingua franca. |
| 18:16.49 | greycat | insanekane: -1 Troll, for using "terrorizing" and "tolerant". |
| 18:16.51 | insanekane | ricky_clarkson, At the same time, the number of people connecting, is growing exponentially. |
| 18:17.04 | m0r3 | tkx insanekane |
| 18:17.28 | insanekane | greycat, ? |
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| 18:17.37 | ricky_clarkson | insanekane: I hate people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch. |
| 18:17.46 | directhex | insanekane, which is why we have non-english channels, e.g. #debian-fr |
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| 18:17.51 | insanekane | ricky_clarkson, :) |
| 18:17.54 | m0r3 | eheh yes yes many many tkx |
| 18:18.02 | insanekane | m0r3, :) |
| 18:18.02 | PEACEYALL | can antone help me in ndiswrapper |
| 18:18.04 | m0r3 | viva democracia |
| 18:18.13 | Rod | huh wtf ricky_clarkson |
| 18:18.22 | abrotman | don't use it |
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| 18:18.28 | Rod | what do you think is wrong with the Dutch ricky_clarkson lol |
| 18:18.29 | greycat | PEACEYALL: no. we cannot. try #wireless or #helpmeIboughtstupidnonfreeEVILhardwareandnowIcantuseit |
| 18:18.46 | abrotman | greycat: there are only 32425254 people in that channel |
| 18:19.10 | directhex | greycat, you have an objection to loading windows nt binary drivers directly into linux kernel space? |
| 18:19.21 | MattF | if I just want to run a .jar application, do I just install the java-common package? |
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| 18:19.24 | MattF | or what? |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | !tell MattF about java install |
| 18:19.37 | abrotman | !tell MattF about java |
| 18:19.38 | insanekane | directhex, sure. I hope those who do not use english, to use those channels as well. On the other hand, I do hope that all kinds of people (including non-nicely-English-speaking ones) also come to this channel, so that I may meet them, and make friends around the world. !! :) |
| 18:19.43 | greycat | directhex: no, I just have an objection to people asking me how to do it. |
| 18:19.58 | MattF | I read it, but didn't really get it :S |
| 18:20.20 | MattF | especially since apt-get install java-package didn't work |
| 18:20.25 | greycat | insanekane: I don't mind if people butcher the language a bit. I can understand "how to do ..." instead of "How do I ...". But spelling "you" as "u" is JUST PLAIN FUCKING ANNOYING. |
| 18:20.53 | Rawplayer | u is dutch |
| 18:20.54 | Rawplayer | :) |
| 18:20.58 | greycat | You can't plead "I'm a non-native English speaker" as an excuse for being lazy. |
| 18:21.02 | abrotman | we don't speak dutch here |
| 18:21.06 | Rawplayer | o |
| 18:21.09 | Rawplayer | :) |
| 18:21.09 | greycat | Rawplayer: is "r" dutch, too? |
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| 18:21.16 | abrotman | cud? |
| 18:21.17 | Rawplayer | nope |
| 18:21.18 | abrotman | wud? |
| 18:21.20 | abrotman | cuz? |
| 18:21.26 | fx114 | hello, I run debian (kernel 2.6.8-2-686) on a ReiserFS partition (hda2). dmesg | tail gives this: ReiserFS: hda2: warning: vs-13070: reiserfs_read_locked_inode: i/o failure occurred trying to find stat data of [195 48554 0x0 SD] and also ReiserFS: warning: is_tree_node: node level 14670 does not match to the expected one 1. What can I do to solve this? |
| 18:21.27 | insanekane | greycat, perhaps, it is part of the general evolution of the english language ? "you" becomes "u" when people have to use keyboards to simulate the extremely fluid nature of conversation. IRC is not exactly a series of essays. |
| 18:21.31 | Rawplayer | b4 :) |
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| 18:21.32 | abrotman | maybe ne1 is dutch ? |
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| 18:22.00 | Rawplayer | rdancer: i think it counts for everything computer related :) |
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| 18:22.21 | elnovato | downloading knopix at 2 kb/s |
| 18:22.22 | rdancer | Rawplayer: nope, japanese ppl can't speak english, and they are hugem computer consumers |
| 18:22.25 | rdancer | *huge |
| 18:22.29 | elnovato | seems their mirrors sucks |
| 18:22.32 | FieldySnuts | fx114: umount the partition and run reiserfsck on it, if it's your root partition you'll need to boot something else to do it for you |
| 18:22.40 | FieldySnuts | elnovato: tell #knoppix not us (topic) |
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| 18:22.47 | Rawplayer | ok japanese is a different story |
| 18:22.49 | MattF | rdancer: Japanese people are huge computers are they?! |
| 18:23.00 | insanekane | MattF, LOL :) |
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| 18:23.18 | FieldySnuts | fx114: if you keep getting these problems, or reiserfsck is unable to fix them, move the data elsewhere, blow the partition away, recreate, reformat, put it back. if it keeps happening, start looking at hardware problems. HAVE BACKUPS. |
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| 18:23.30 | rdancer | MattF: yes. i always thought they were cyborgs |
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| 18:23.37 | MattF | ;) |
| 18:24.07 | fx114 | FieldySnuts: thank you. I tried reiserfschk already and it told me to use the mode --rebuild-tree but it did not solve the problem. |
| 18:24.13 | rdancer | there are no network interfaces created for my 4-port card in this sparcstation5 -- there is only eth0. how can i proceed? |
| 18:24.23 | LazloFruvous | are there any good packages out there for recording and managing security footage from v4l devices? i've found zoneminder, but it's not in woody, and i'd prefer to have something maintained by the debian community, if possible... |
| 18:24.25 | FieldySnuts | fx114: i'd move the data off and rebuild then, and move on from there |
| 18:24.38 | FieldySnuts | bbl, good luck, always have backups |
| 18:25.07 | EdibleText | rdancer, yeah and they attract sexcrazes squid demons too |
| 18:25.39 | EdibleText | s/crazes/crazed |
| 18:26.00 | fx114 | FieldySnuts: as it is my root partition, if I format and I reinstall debian will it change something? |
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| 18:26.59 | EdibleText | rdancer, ifconfig -a , should show eth1-3 |
| 18:27.43 | fx114 | FieldySnuts: sorry I did not see your previous message. Thanks. |
| 18:27.55 | EdibleText | rdancer, lspci shows 4 network interfaces and a bridge? (but im not familier with sparc HW) |
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| 18:28.10 | elnovato | anyone here using debian on toshiba a60 laptop?? |
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| 18:28.55 | ricky_clarkson | Rod: I can't find the quote, but I don't have anything against the Dutch, it was just a quote from a film. |
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| 18:29.16 | sgbirch | Can anyone recommend a good Debian package for manipulating images images, preferably from python. PIL, Magic, gd are all candidates. Not sure which is best though. |
| 18:29.22 | soccos | is there a command line nntp client that can post messages with multiple binary attachments? |
| 18:29.27 | abrotman | imagemagick? |
| 18:29.43 | abrotman | trn? |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | tin |
| 18:29.51 | abrotman | whatever it's called |
| 18:30.49 | sgbirch | abrotman: Imagemagic seems okay. The syntax was a little strange to my eye. Not heard of trn/tin (whatever) though |
| 18:31.03 | thenuke | hmm, if I have something in crontab, do I have to setup crontab again when I do reboot? |
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| 18:31.25 | karsten | thenuke: No, it persists. In /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 18:31.35 | karsten | thenuke: ...that's the whole idea of crontab. |
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| 18:31.45 | thenuke | karsten: :-) ok thanks |
| 18:32.02 | soccos | abrotman: they both exist |
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| 18:32.16 | hool | i feel like the original geek :/ Was at the grocery store and saw they had herring filets.. i just HAD to buy tux f0odz0rz hehehe |
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| 18:32.39 | karsten | hool: ...but did you make a meal of them and penguin mints? |
| 18:33.04 | hool | karsten, i can't get hold of penguin mints :( |
| 18:33.12 | EdibleText | hool, did you swallow them whole |
| 18:33.14 | hool | so im gonna go with mashed potaters |
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| 18:33.30 | karsten | hool: ...ThinkGeek if nothing else. Where you at? |
| 18:33.46 | karsten | hool: ...Hrm. SE. |
| 18:33.48 | hool | EdibleText, haven't fried tyem yeat.. i could if i wanted too but im gonna chew them first tho |
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| 18:34.06 | relex | hellow |
| 18:34.09 | hool | thinkgeek is pricey for kaffine mints |
| 18:34.15 | relex | how would i preped an string to every line in a file? |
| 18:34.18 | EdibleText | hool, Oh I thought you were going for the full penguin dinning experiance ;) |
| 18:34.19 | karsten | pw: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/LinuxSmallBusinessServer |
| 18:34.27 | hool | i'll buy menthos and drink 3 jolts back to back :D |
| 18:34.28 | Rod | ricky_clarkson, alright then hehe |
| 18:34.39 | karsten | relex: sed -e 's/^/<string>/' < file |
| 18:34.45 | hool | EdibleText, nah.. just the herring bit |
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| 18:34.56 | pw | karsten: nifty |
| 18:35.01 | hool | got to lock the door tho so pokey can't get in |
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| 18:35.30 | ricky_clarkson | Rod: I've been to Amsterdam, it was ok, and I'd like to go elsewhere in .nl, but without hills it's got to be only good for cycling :) |
| 18:36.02 | pw | karsten: I'd say you're looking at Opengroupware.org, plus PostgreSQL & tools, plus Squid & Lokkit, plus Samba. |
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| 18:36.11 | pw | And Apache, of course. |
| 18:36.14 | hool | ricky_clarkson, bike up from .nl to north cape |
| 18:36.29 | hool | then come by and see me in umea and buy cylely bits off me :D |
| 18:36.33 | ricky_clarkson | hool: Where's north cape? |
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| 18:36.42 | ricky_clarkson | hool: You sell cycly bits? |
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| 18:36.51 | Rod | lol ricky_clarkson ... the south is kinda bourgondic... not sure if you'd like that |
| 18:36.59 | ricky_clarkson | !dict bourgondic |
| 18:36.59 | hool | ricky_clarkson, lands end up in northern norway |
| 18:37.00 | karsten | pw: Is Opengroupware different from whatwasit? The Ultimate Groupware.... |
| 18:37.01 | Rod | has hills as well... no mountains though lol |
| 18:37.01 | dpkg | could not find definition for bourgondic |
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| 18:37.20 | hool | ricky_clarkson, jup :) Trek, Fisher, GT, Focus, Sintesi, Rex and Marvil :) |
| 18:37.25 | Rod | ricky_clarkson, kinda cousy? |
| 18:37.30 | ricky_clarkson | Rod: I went from Hamburg to Amsterdam. |
| 18:37.34 | delire_ | !dict cousy |
| 18:37.36 | dpkg | could not find definition for cousy |
| 18:37.41 | delire_ | hmm |
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| 18:37.42 | Rod | lol |
| 18:37.46 | ricky_clarkson | Rod: You're good at making up words. |
| 18:37.48 | Rod | knus is the dutch word |
| 18:37.48 | yalu | how can filesystem corruption occur on ext3????? it seems I suddenly have loads of unlinked directories |
| 18:37.51 | EdibleText | those are perfectly cromulent words |
| 18:37.51 | ricky_clarkson | Rod: Do you mean cosy? |
| 18:37.57 | Rod | yeah, i think cosy |
| 18:38.02 | Rod | !dict cosy |
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| 18:38.04 | dpkg | Dictionary 'cosy' (2 shown; 4 total): . Cozy \Co"zy\ (k?"z?), a. [Compar. Cozier (-z?-?r); superl. Coziest.] [Cf. Scot. cosie, cozie, prob. from Gael. cosach abounding in hollows, or cosagach full of holes or crevices, snug, sheltered, from cos a hollow, a crevice.] 1. Snug; comfortable; easy; contented. [Written also cosey and cosy.] ;; a padded cloth covering to keep a teapot warm . |
| 18:38.17 | ricky_clarkson | hool: Damn, mine is a Raleigh. |
| 18:38.17 | Rod | no, nno thats not it |
| 18:38.26 | EdibleText | yalu, physical disk error perhaps? |
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| 18:38.33 | pw | karsten: OpenGroupware is at www.opengroupware.org. They have a full-featured Exchange-a-like, with the essential thing; they do an Outlook plug-in. |
| 18:38.44 | yalu | EdibleText: thank myself I backed up |
| 18:38.55 | pw | Functionally, it's similar to Samsung Contact, but with the added benefit of a web interface. |
| 18:38.56 | Rod | bourgondic is english |
| 18:38.58 | Rod | google |
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| 18:39.08 | pw | It's a LOT nicer to look after than Contact, though. |
| 18:39.21 | EdibleText | !dict bourgondy |
| 18:39.22 | karsten | pw: TUTOS is what I was thinking of. |
| 18:39.23 | dpkg | could not find definition for bourgondy |
| 18:39.25 | EdibleText | !dict bourgond |
| 18:39.27 | dpkg | could not find definition for bourgond |
| 18:39.30 | delire_ | Rod: perhaps from the Abridgededed Bourgondic English Dictionary |
| 18:39.35 | pw | karsten: I never played with that one. |
| 18:39.36 | karsten | pw: Yeah. OGo was already mentioned here. |
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| 18:39.47 | delire_ | bourgandy |
| 18:39.53 | delire_ | .. from memory |
| 18:39.55 | Kerr | !nvidia |
| 18:39.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 18:40.02 | karsten | pw: Greg did. |
| 18:40.04 | pw | Contact is really, really geared up for use on a SuSE box - or at least it was when I installed it on Debian :) |
| 18:40.21 | pw | karsten: ah, gotcha. |
| 18:40.23 | hool | ricky_clarkson, had a cpl of those in the shop for repairs.. they're ok but not "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah schweet!!" |
| 18:40.38 | rdancer | why would hotplug not load the sunqe module when a card is present? |
| 18:40.46 | yalu | EdibleText: well I hope and hope not. either the disk or the OS will go |
| 18:40.48 | elnovato | !ati |
| 18:40.48 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 18:40.53 | yalu | and be replaced by something stable |
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| 18:41.17 | elnovato | baster xfree |
| 18:41.18 | ricky_clarkson | hool: Mine is 8 years old, and has a puncture, and has had it for 3 months. |
| 18:41.30 | EdibleText | yalu, it happend to me on ext3. the disk crapped out |
| 18:41.38 | hool | ricky_clarkson, hardcore cyclist :P |
| 18:41.50 | yalu | EdibleText: I will run badblocks tomorrow |
| 18:41.53 | hool | our "Hardest" customer does 30000km per year |
| 18:42.23 | EdibleText | yalu, files were directories and directories were files.. e2fsck shoule fix it for the timebeing but will probably happen again |
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| 18:42.27 | ricky_clarkson | hool: http://mappoint.msn.com/(t4r1rp55qs1ton55qmx40fit)/directions.aspx?&StartName=Haugesund%2c+Rogaland%2c+Norway&StartLocation=59.40634%2c5.28529&EndName=Trondheim%2c+S%c3%b8r-Tr%c3%b8ndelag%2c+Norway&EndLocation=63.43092%2c10.39206&DataSetLangID=EUR%2c409&RouteType=Quickest&RouteUnit=Miles |
| 18:42.32 | ricky_clarkson | Eek. |
| 18:42.37 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.50 | bpence | Does anyone know how to get the microsoft wireless networking PCMCIA card to work under sarge? |
| 18:42.52 | delire_ | yiz day r |
| 18:42.55 | pw | karsten: Has anything in particular prompted this idea? Or is it just something that's been rolling around in your brain for a while? |
| 18:43.11 | nvz | !yinzersmite delire_ |
| 18:43.30 | delire_ | nvz: hehe yinzersmite |
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| 18:43.33 | nvz | learn your pittsburghese foo |
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| 18:43.45 | strubbel_ | hello christian aka Strubbel, you use my nick...maybe by accident or intentional...in any case, i claim it back!...would you be kind enough to do a "/nick [somebody]"? |
| 18:44.00 | Strubbel | ^^ |
| 18:44.08 | strubbel_ | hi |
| 18:44.08 | Strubbel | I will :) |
| 18:44.14 | strubbel_ | thanks :) |
| 18:44.15 | Strubbel | I didn´t knew, I´m sorry. |
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| 18:44.22 | Zwambel | :) |
| 18:44.26 | strubbel_ | maybe i should register it |
| 18:44.32 | delire_ | ahh, yes |
| 18:44.35 | karsten | !tell Zwambel about enter |
| 18:44.42 | wahl | someone how do i install my grafic kard ? |
| 18:44.43 | asg | strubbel_: if you didn't register it, you have not claim to it |
| 18:44.50 | Zwambel | that will be a good idea ^^ |
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| 18:44.53 | asg | wahl: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 18:45.04 | wahl | aiight |
| 18:45.08 | hool | strubbel, lucky for you this isn't quakenet :) then you'd have to packet him to get your nick back ;) |
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| 18:45.33 | strubbel | hool: he he |
| 18:45.34 | Zwambel | ^^ |
| 18:45.44 | Zwambel | i´m so kind :) |
| 18:45.50 | Zwambel | because I´m catholic :) |
| 18:46.15 | nvz | Zwambel: you have anything debian-related to talk about? |
| 18:46.19 | zumbi | hello, could somebody help me with nfs ? |
| 18:46.20 | delire_ | poor bl4ckh4t's n0t h4v1ng a g00d d4y |
| 18:46.32 | Zwambel | no sorry nvz |
| 18:46.41 | nvz | zumbi: continue... |
| 18:46.43 | Zwambel | nvz: why do you ask? |
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| 18:47.09 | asg | bpence: it depends on the card but you might look at ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 18:47.12 | caphuso | asg: i finally switched to ion3 |
| 18:47.15 | nvz | Zwambel: well you are pressing enter a lot as well as using other chars that aren't very pleasant in a channel this size |
| 18:47.20 | asg | caphuso: ah, how was the transition? |
| 18:47.22 | EdibleText | Zwambel, we let loose sometimes in #debian. but we try _real_ hard to stay on /TOPIC |
| 18:47.24 | caphuso | asg: painful :) |
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| 18:47.32 | asg | caphuso: hehe, hopefully it was worth it. |
| 18:47.38 | elnovato | what is the most easy to install linux distro for laptops |
| 18:47.39 | elnovato | ? |
| 18:47.41 | Zwambel | nvz: oh sorry ^^ |
| 18:47.46 | nvz | when we do ^^ |
| 18:47.48 | nvz | get ^^ |
| 18:47.51 | caphuso | asg: but the scratchpad thingie is rather nice, and panews might, if i manage to grok it, be useful too |
| 18:47.52 | nvz | off-topic ^^ |
| 18:47.57 | nvz | we dont do it like this ^^ |
| 18:47.59 | asg | elnovato: debian (bare metal -> running in less than 15 minutes) |
| 18:48.18 | xdr | anyone know how to upload pictures from a siemens cx65 phone to my compu through ir? |
| 18:48.18 | delire_ | elnovato: ubuntu or mandrake for a newbie. debian is fine if you have any nouse |
| 18:48.19 | asg | caphuso: ah, cool. I keep meaning to look into it but just never seem to get around to it. |
| 18:48.24 | zumbi | on the side of the nfs client i get this : Mounting 192.168.2.2:/exports/bootdir to /nfs mount: RPC: Unable tNFS: mount program didn't pass remote address!o receive; errno = Connection refused |
| 18:48.50 | asg | !kill mgmt for taking my R40 away and replacing it with a d600 |
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| 18:48.58 | abrotman | asg: ewww .. dell |
| 18:49.07 | asg | abrotman: yep, back to the crap once more |
| 18:49.14 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 18:49.19 | bpence | Anyone know how to get my sound to work under sarge? |
| 18:49.24 | asg | abrotman: thanks, gonna need one here in a few :) |
| 18:49.26 | zumbi | nvz: mount: Mounting 192.168.2.2:/exports/bootdir on /nfs failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:49.26 | asg | bpence: /msg dpkg audio |
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| 18:49.39 | joebob2000 | URRENT is old |
| 18:49.39 | joebob2000 | [18:39:38] <amigan> 2) see this faq entry: |
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| 18:50.03 | zumbi | anyways, how could i check if nfs-server is doing ok ? |
| 18:50.04 | joebob2000 | oops, that is of little relevance |
| 18:50.08 | bpence | asg: that's for woody, what about sarge? |
| 18:50.13 | takatumi | asg: how have you configured the function keys in ion? |
| 18:50.17 | kdedev | in ksirc how can I get a channel list? |
| 18:50.25 | asg | bpence: same principles apply |
| 18:50.32 | bpence | asg: rog.. thanks.. |
| 18:50.49 | asg | takatumi: I'm currently using flux for the time being. |
| 18:51.01 | takatumi | asg: traitor! |
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| 18:51.22 | asg | takatumi: nah, just doing my yearly check into WMs |
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| 18:51.52 | takatumi | asg: :) |
| 18:52.03 | delire_ | wmi looks interesting |
| 18:52.09 | delire_ | soon to be wmii |
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| 18:53.06 | caphuso | asg: two panews example screenshots: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/ion3/ |
| 18:53.12 | asg | caphuso: oh, cool |
| 18:53.37 | Kerr | what apt repositories have nvidia-glx ? I've added the one in the url given for !nvidia, but get no luck. |
| 18:53.40 | row- | Hello, I installed syslog-ng with apt-get and configured it to accept remote logging as they direct but its not opened the port (514) do I need to alter the start up script or something to enable it to accept logging from a remote host? |
| 18:53.45 | delire_ | similar to ion3 --> http://wmi.modprobe.de/ |
| 18:53.59 | bpence | asg: I have the drivers loaded, but X says it can't load the sound.. wassup? |
| 18:54.38 | asg | caphuso: I usually ran with a 50/50 horizontal split (the top being a single xterm, the bottom split 33/33/33 into other xterms (running irssi, lynx, etc.)) |
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| 18:55.43 | elnovato | asg where to get that bare metal? |
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| 18:56.31 | caphuso | asg: i run everything important in screen and and attach that multiple times in different workspaces with specialized layouts |
| 18:56.35 | asg | elnovato: work |
| 18:56.43 | asg | caphuso: nice |
| 18:56.44 | wahl | heey someone playing counter-strike here ? |
| 18:57.06 | bpence | asg: any ideas? |
| 18:57.29 | row- | Anyone here got syslog-ng working as a central logging server? |
| 18:58.05 | vhosttemp19 | how can i see cron logs? to see what is being executed and all that good stuff and at what times? |
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| 18:58.29 | greycat | vhosttemp19: cd /var/log && grep -i cron * |
| 18:59.14 | Kerr | greycat: do you know any respoitories with nvidia-glx ? |
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| 18:59.48 | greycat | "Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks!" |
| 18:59.56 | db101 | hi guys anyone using pppoe on debian? |
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| 19:00.22 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:00.22 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 19:00.29 | db101 | lol |
| 19:00.37 | abrotman | !lol |
| 19:00.37 | dpkg | methinks lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 19:00.40 | Kerr | greycat, greycat's sadistic sense of humor: do you know any respoitories with nvidia-glx ? |
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| 19:00.48 | abrotman | that changed again? |
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| 19:01.00 | greycat | !factinfo lol |
| 19:01.00 | dpkg | lol -- last modified 1d 4h 36m 20s ago by Guerin!~magpie@220.123.169.70; it has been requested 4 times, last by abrotman, 22s ago. |
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| 19:01.14 | elnovato | what is kernel-image---smp ?? |
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| 19:01.18 | elnovato | whats that SMP ? |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | !smp |
| 19:01.20 | dpkg | it has been said that smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/ |
| 19:01.28 | db101 | seriously now i need to find out about my pppoe conneciton can someone help me pls |
| 19:01.34 | uunot | can anyone tell me what kernel comes with the lates Sarge netinstall disk? i.e. 2.6.X... |
| 19:01.40 | db101 | !gay |
| 19:01.40 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 19:01.53 | db101 | lol |
| 19:01.55 | mh_le | uunot, it's 2.4.27 IIRC |
| 19:01.58 | elnovato | lol |
| 19:02.04 | strubbel | what is the best way to change the uid for some process automaticly started by root? just "su - [user] -c [command]"? |
| 19:02.06 | abrotman | !tell db101 about pppoe |
| 19:02.11 | uunot | mh_le: k, thanks |
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| 19:02.19 | greycat | uunot: and also 2.6.8, I think. or maybe 2.6.7. |
| 19:02.20 | db101 | thanks |
| 19:02.20 | takatumi | uunot: 2.6.8 the last time I checked. |
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| 19:02.35 | uunot | ? |
| 19:02.35 | mh_le | uunot, it's trivial to upgrade to 2.6.x |
| 19:02.35 | uunot | okay |
| 19:02.44 | uunot | mh_le: it's a fresh install |
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| 19:03.01 | mh_le | uunot, check with uname -r |
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| 19:03.20 | FastBack | what´s wallop??? |
| 19:03.20 | uunot | mh_le: will do, after it's installed |
| 19:03.28 | mh_le | takatumi, I installed sarge not long ago and it came with 2.4.. |
| 19:03.31 | Kerr | FastBack: /help wallops |
| 19:03.40 | takatumi | uunot: for 2.6.x you need to boot with linux26 |
| 19:03.48 | takatumi | mh_le: ^^ |
| 19:04.05 | wahl | heey how do i know if my grapic card is right configured ? |
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| 19:04.23 | mh_le | takatumi, ahh that's why then |
| 19:04.36 | cat | is there any tutorial on how to write patch? |
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| 19:04.41 | Kerr | wahl: you have trouble using it with your left hand. |
| 19:04.43 | slocate | wahl check your logs |
| 19:05.06 | delire_ | wahl: depends on what you need it for. for a hw accelleration test you might run glxinfo (for instance). otherwise check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 19:05.29 | wahl | aiight |
| 19:05.44 | delire_ | what the fsck is 'aiight'? |
| 19:05.52 | slocate | wahl where are you? |
| 19:05.54 | cat | anyone know a good tutorial on how to write a patch? |
| 19:05.56 | db101 | anyone know why my pppoe closes itsefl every couple of days and is there a way to possibly make it detect that ppp0 is not there and to make it restart and verifythe conneciton automatically say every 30 seconds? |
| 19:06.28 | greycat | cat: man diff |
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| 19:06.41 | slocate | wahl should i say, where are you from? |
| 19:06.49 | wahl | slocate in sweden :D |
| 19:06.57 | wahl | from sweden |
| 19:07.06 | slocate | wahl kool |
| 19:07.12 | slocate | nyc here |
| 19:07.13 | cat | that's how u write patches greycat ? |
| 19:07.54 | greycat | cat: no, it's how *you* write patches. |
| 19:08.06 | slocate | anybody else in nyc? |
| 19:08.09 | cat | oh ic, |
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| 19:08.17 | greycat | e.g., "diff -r -u -N oldtree newtree > mypatch" |
| 19:08.19 | cat | do u need to know programming greycat ? |
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| 19:08.30 | cswanson | is there a channel specific to debian on sparc? |
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| 19:08.33 | EdibleText | cat the .diff file is the patch |
| 19:08.34 | greycat | !sparc |
| 19:08.34 | dpkg | it has been said that sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 19:08.39 | Kerr | I think the howto in the nvidia factoid is obsolete. |
| 19:08.48 | greycat | Kerr: fix it :) |
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| 19:09.00 | cat | and how do u know when u need to write a patch? |
| 19:09.01 | takatumi | Kerr: try /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:09.19 | Madeye | karsten, hey :-) i'm installing Ubuntu NOW! thank you :-) |
| 19:09.21 | cswanson | thanks |
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| 19:09.25 | greycat | cat: What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 19:09.35 | karsten | Madeye: Cool |
| 19:09.35 | slocate | anybody else in nyc? |
| 19:09.49 | cat | greycat: im just learning on how to write patches, and stuff, so i can learn new stuff |
| 19:09.49 | delire_ | check the debian users map |
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| 19:09.52 | elnovato | ubuntu is an advanced debian distro , right>? |
| 19:09.53 | karsten | Madeye: Not as l337 as Debian, but apparently works well. |
| 19:09.58 | EdibleText | slocate, newark nj :) |
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| 19:10.11 | greycat | cat: a patch just describes how to convert one source file (or tree) into another. |
| 19:10.27 | greycat | cat: you actually have to have the new, changed file(s) and the original(s) for diff to inspect. |
| 19:10.33 | Madeye | karsten, I promise you, its the first step to move to Debian. |
| 19:10.35 | delire_ | elnovato: no just a debian based distro with desktop-sensible defaults |
| 19:10.40 | slocate | EdibleText kool |
| 19:10.49 | cat | greycat: and my question is do u need to know an expecific coding? |
| 19:10.50 | cat | for that |
| 19:10.54 | elnovato | delire_: do you mean ubunto sucks, and its full of bugs? |
| 19:10.59 | delire_ | cat: look at a patch |
| 19:11.03 | greycat | cat: to CREATE THE NEW FILES, you must be able to CREATE THE NEW FILES. |
| 19:11.07 | delire_ | elnovato: no it's very good. |
| 19:11.07 | Madeye | karsten, if I want to download debian I have to download 5 cds? or only one iso as base installation? |
| 19:11.08 | FieldySnuts | asking about ubuntu here is worse than knoppix trolling, these days |
| 19:11.09 | pw | Please don't kick me, ops. |
| 19:11.14 | greycat | cat: they don't just appear by magic. |
| 19:11.14 | slocate | newyorkers i guess don't run linux |
| 19:11.16 | karsten | Madeye: Fokes I know have switched. |
| 19:11.16 | cat | delire_: how? |
| 19:11.27 | slocate | except me...:p |
| 19:11.28 | greycat | cat: with a text editor or a pager or a web browser or ... |
| 19:11.30 | delire_ | cat: how what? |
| 19:11.38 | greycat | a patch is a plain text file. read it. |
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| 19:11.43 | cat | delire_: which file is a patch? |
| 19:11.45 | elnovato | soo we must execute ubuntu people |
| 19:11.46 | karsten | Madeye: You don't *have* to d/l any installs. Netinst is generally preferd. |
| 19:11.49 | delire_ | cat: download a patch, search for a patch and read it |
| 19:11.53 | greycat | cat: what the FUCK are you trying to do? |
| 19:12.03 | cat | greycat: i want to know so i can look at a patch file, |
| 19:12.08 | cat | what extention do they used? |
| 19:12.17 | greycat | does. not. fucking. MATTER. |
| 19:12.20 | Kerr | hmm |
| 19:12.32 | Madeye | karsten, netinstall while runnig NLD ? |
| 19:12.35 | karsten | Madeye: ...however if you want the full distro (say: offline installs, or slow net) you'd want all the disks. Packages are sorted according to popularity, so most of what you're likely to install is on the first disk. |
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| 19:12.41 | karsten | Madeye: What's NLD? |
| 19:12.43 | Kerr | Obsolete: nvidia-kernel-src, nvidia-glx-src. These installer packages have been obsoleted by the nvidia-graphics-drivers solution |
| 19:12.54 | cat | oh greycat |
| 19:12.54 | karsten | Madeye: Personally, I do most installs via debootstrap under Knoppix. |
| 19:12.59 | karsten | Madeye: ...via chroot install. |
| 19:13.04 | delire_ | cat: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=patch&btnG=Google+Search |
| 19:13.04 | EdibleText | cat, do you have the code source that you want to patch |
| 19:13.26 | EdibleText | cat have you made changes to that code? |
| 19:13.27 | cat | not really EdibleText |
| 19:13.43 | Madeye | karsten, Novell linux desktop |
| 19:13.48 | EdibleText | cat, well it seems you are jumping the gun a bit |
| 19:13.53 | cat | oh, |
| 19:13.56 | karsten | Madeye: Sure. |
| 19:14.00 | cat | EdibleText: how can i start? so i can read some docs, |
| 19:14.03 | cat | i can't find them though |
| 19:14.12 | karsten | Madeye: There's folks who've done Debian chroot installs under RedHat. Remotely. |
| 19:14.13 | greycat | cat: you're starting in the wrong place. |
| 19:14.26 | pw | karsten: "folks"? :-) |
| 19:14.29 | Madeye | karsten, cool, I have to try it |
| 19:14.30 | EdibleText | cat you must first have a reason to patch |
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| 19:14.32 | greycat | cat: learn a programming language or something. Or learn some system administration. |
| 19:14.33 | cat | which placed should i start greycat |
| 19:14.40 | Madeye | karsten, I will try it under ubuntu :-) |
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| 19:14.43 | karsten | Madeye: ...there are also people who've tried that and failed. |
| 19:14.43 | bpence | Why won't my sound work (ali 5451) when all the modules are loaded? |
| 19:14.52 | cat | EdibleText: because they have bugs on them =) |
| 19:14.57 | EdibleText | cat, ie "this doesnt do foo; or foo segfaults when i do bar" |
| 19:14.59 | delire_ | cat: what do you want to patch? |
| 19:15.04 | EdibleText | cat yeah |
| 19:15.05 | greycat | cat: fix the bugs first. |
| 19:15.10 | takatumi | bpence: ali5451 works fine here, whic modules have you loaded? |
| 19:15.11 | Kerr | how can packages be made obsolete by replacements that still have release critical bugs |
| 19:15.19 | cat | and how do u fixed bugs, |
| 19:15.24 | bpence | takatumi: damn near every one :) |
| 19:15.24 | greycat | Kerr: because the DD said so :) |
| 19:15.30 | greycat | cat: with your MIND. |
| 19:15.36 | takatumi | bpence: alsa or oss? |
| 19:15.37 | cat | oh, |
| 19:15.38 | EdibleText | greycat, so true |
| 19:15.40 | bpence | takatumi: standby one.. I'll get the list.. |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:15.47 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:15.58 | EdibleText | cat, with mind bullets |
| 19:16.00 | Kerr | greycat: before i hit google, any idea where i can find the obsoletes? |
| 19:16.08 | greycat | !sedn |
| 19:16.09 | greycat | !sdn |
| 19:16.09 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 19:16.12 | EdibleText | cat, thats telekinises baby |
| 19:16.23 | Kerr | greycat: thanks |
| 19:16.32 | wahl | Heey guys whats the best downloading client to linux debina :D |
| 19:16.33 | wahl | ? |
| 19:16.35 | cat | damn i sux |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | wahl: wget |
| 19:17.01 | Madeye | karsten, i'm in manually partion, what filesystem should I select? |
| 19:17.10 | wahl | aiigh |
| 19:17.11 | wahl | t |
| 19:17.12 | bpence | takatumi: snd_ali5451 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm snd_page_alloc snd_timer snd soundcore |
| 19:17.13 | greycat | cat: if you want to fix bugs in a program, you first have to understand the language it's written in. |
| 19:17.20 | Kerr | debina.. is that debian wearing a dress? |
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| 19:17.21 | cat | oh ic |
| 19:17.30 | greycat | cat: then .... it's just sheer work. hard work. |
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| 19:17.55 | sunrise | hi all, looking for an application that resolve build-deps in debian/control file within a directory (not apt-get build-deps!) |
| 19:18.04 | Kerr | someonewas using gaim for irc.. |
| 19:18.06 | cat | what's the easy's programming language ever? |
| 19:18.11 | pw | cat: Python. |
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| 19:18.15 | takatumi | bpence: unmuted? check with alsamixer |
| 19:18.19 | cat | oh ok =) |
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| 19:18.24 | sunrise | cat: spoken language ;) |
| 19:18.26 | PEACEYALL | is there a kernel-source package for 2.6.8-1-386?? |
| 19:18.46 | Kerr | cat: caffeine. |
| 19:18.46 | bpence | takatumi: I get a "couldn't open audio" under xmms in X |
| 19:18.50 | greycat | PEACEYALL: no, it's just kernel-source-2.6.8 with a 2.6.8-1-386 config file. |
| 19:18.57 | delire_ | bpence: set permissions |
| 19:18.59 | pw | Missed an opportunity there. I should have said "Ada". |
| 19:19.00 | karsten | Madeye: KISS: ext3fs |
| 19:19.00 | PEACEYALL | ok |
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| 19:19.10 | delire_ | bpence: add yourself to an audio group |
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| 19:19.18 | bpence | delire_: I'm in the audio group |
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| 19:19.46 | delire_ | bpence: ls -l /dev/dsp (if that's your device). look for permission settings |
| 19:19.54 | EdibleText | bpence, did you logout and login (to x or console) |
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| 19:20.16 | Madeye | karsten, what about the mount point ? |
| 19:20.33 | bpence | delire_away: I don't know what the device is |
| 19:20.38 | Madeye | karsten, I know I'm so annoying :-) but you are so helpfull, and its my first! YAII debian like installation |
| 19:20.39 | karsten | Madeye: Um. For what? |
| 19:20.48 | bpence | EdibleText: I haven't changed anything and have rebooted several times... |
| 19:20.57 | Madeye | karsten, for that partion, the main ex3 |
| 19:20.58 | karsten | Madeye: You're partitioning for a new system? |
| 19:21.00 | EdibleText | bpence, ok |
| 19:21.13 | karsten | Madeye: Your primary mountpoint is '/' |
| 19:21.14 | greycat | pw: or Brainfuck ;-) |
| 19:21.23 | Madeye | karsten, yeah, because there is only 2 choices, use all HDD or manual partionning |
| 19:21.24 | bpence | delire_away: I'm not good with this X stuff, I'm used to making servers, so things like sound and video are kind of foreign to me. |
| 19:21.34 | EdibleText | or a whitespace language |
| 19:21.39 | karsten | Madeye: Normally I'd suggest something a bit more complex, but how about you partition for root and swap. Two partitions. One mountpoint. |
| 19:21.43 | karsten | Madeye: Use all HDD. |
| 19:21.52 | karsten | Madeye: ...you can change your mind later. |
| 19:21.57 | pw | greycat: I'm currently perusing http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net in search of a suitably nasty candidate language. |
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| 19:22.29 | directhex | pw, intercal, dis, malbolge |
| 19:22.38 | Madeye | karsten, okay! |
| 19:22.41 | PEACEYALL | can anyone help me in ndiswrapper? |
| 19:22.42 | directhex | greycat, you can do full asp.net web services with brainfuck.net |
| 19:22.42 | bpence | Permissions for /dev/snd are root audio |
| 19:22.43 | EdibleText | !malbolge |
| 19:22.51 | bpence | rw-rw---- |
| 19:23.26 | EdibleText | bah I wnated to refresh my mind the easy way |
| 19:23.26 | pw | Visual COBOL. |
| 19:23.26 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:23.26 | karsten | Madeye: Google "linux partitioning faq" and you'll hit my page. That's what I generally refer to if you want to set things up a bit more managed. |
| 19:23.26 | karsten | bpence: Add yourself to the audio group. |
| 19:23.32 | pw | EdibleText: http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/m.html#Malbolge |
| 19:23.35 | bpence | karsten: I'm in the audio group |
| 19:23.44 | greycat | bpence: does id(1) confirm that? |
| 19:23.47 | Madeye | karsten, okay :-) |
| 19:24.08 | bpence | greycat: id(1)??? what's that? I 'cat /etc/group' and it shows me there. |
| 19:24.10 | NeoTech | Help, how do i log a iptable connection??? my forwards have stopped working. |
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| 19:24.13 | EdibleText | pw, that means clicking or pasting and scrolling the mousewheel to a new desktop |
| 19:24.16 | wahl | dcgui is that good ? is it like direct connect ? |
| 19:24.18 | greycat | bpence: type "id" at a prompt. Then type "man id". |
| 19:24.19 | karsten | Madeye: Note that you want to go from the page on my own homesite to twiki.iwethey.org for current info. |
| 19:24.27 | directhex | http://www.99-bottles-of-beer.net/i.html#INTERCAL |
| 19:24.33 | Madeye | karsten, the mini-faq? |
| 19:24.38 | PEACEYALL | karsten can u help me? |
| 19:24.51 | karsten | bpence: 'groups' will show your currently *active* groups. If you're not in audio, either 'newgrp audio' to make it effective for current shell, or log off and back in. |
| 19:24.57 | karsten | Madeye: URL? |
| 19:24.57 | bpence | greycat: yes, id shows me there |
| 19:25.01 | karsten | PEACEYALL: Ask. |
| 19:25.04 | PEACEYALL | ty |
| 19:25.09 | PEACEYALL | i have a problem with ndiswrapper |
| 19:25.13 | Madeye | karsten, yeah got it :-) netcom.com |
| 19:25.16 | karsten | PEACEYALL: ...I'm busy, channel may be better. |
| 19:25.18 | PEACEYALL | it sas fatal error on modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 19:25.19 | bpence | karsten: it shows me there |
| 19:25.23 | wahl | dcgui is that good ? is it like direct connect ? |
| 19:25.24 | karsten | PEACEYALL: ...and I don't do ndiswrapper. |
| 19:25.30 | PEACEYALL | damn |
| 19:25.34 | karsten | bpence: OK. You're in audio. |
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| 19:25.40 | bpence | karsten: yes |
| 19:25.42 | PEACEYALL | so can any otehr person help |
| 19:25.43 | PEACEYALL | ??!?!? |
| 19:25.48 | greycat | PEACEYALL: #wireless |
| 19:25.59 | karsten | bpence: ...I mean, you're effectively in audio ATM. What's the next problem? |
| 19:26.18 | PEACEYALL | greycat i went there they told me come here |
| 19:26.18 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 19:26.18 | bpence | karsten: it can't open audio |
| 19:26.19 | bpence | karsten: lol |
| 19:26.25 | NeoTech | Help, how do i log a iptable connection??? my forwards have stopped working. |
| 19:26.32 | karsten | bpence: Does it tell you that, or do you just not year anything? |
| 19:26.40 | greycat | PEACEYALL: maybe you should write to the company you bought your piece of shit hardware from, and ask for the full development kit/specifications so you can write a driver. |
| 19:26.52 | bpence | karsten: it says 'couldn't open audio' in X |
| 19:27.09 | greycat | bpence: WRONG. Say *what* command you are running, and it had better not be "X". |
| 19:27.20 | karsten | bpence: 'dmesg' show any output? |
| 19:27.28 | greycat | and if it's xmms, we'll tell you to use something whose error message don't suck rotten shit. |
| 19:27.30 | bpence | greycat: I'm in XMMS. I pick a directory to play. and it says 'couldn't open audio' |
| 19:27.36 | EdibleText | PEACEYALL, heh |
| 19:27.48 | atrus | anybody building lirc modules under 2.6.10? (debian unstable) it keeps building .o modules instead of .ko modules, and then fails to load them |
| 19:27.51 | EdibleText | i mean just 'heh' |
| 19:27.52 | takatumi | bpence: try ogg123 or something |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | bpence: try mpg321 or ogg123 or "cat /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) > /dev/dsp" or ANYTHING that will give you a meaningful message. |
| 19:28.09 | karsten | Great: Jurassic Duck: http://news.com.com/Duck+ancestors+roamed+Earth+with+dinosaurs/2100-1008_3-5548666.html |
| 19:28.15 | greycat | bpence: and if you're in GNOME or KDE, it's probably a "sound server" issue. So you should mention THAT, too. |
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| 19:28.43 | carnage | anyone here play guitar? |
| 19:28.57 | baronsamedi | yup |
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| 19:29.00 | EdibleText | GUItar |
| 19:29.02 | pw | carnage: No, duelling banjos. |
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| 19:29.15 | bpence | greycat: I would mention that, but as I explained earlier, I'm used to making servers, not desktops, so I don't know this stuff with audio. |
| 19:29.40 | poleWurk | i have two monitors and their coloring is totally different... anyone know of any tools that will let me calibrate these two monitors? |
| 19:29.50 | carnage | i'm just starting and i'm wondering whats the best way to practice moving around the feret board quickly |
| 19:29.51 | takatumi | bpence: you can run ogg123 from a text console |
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| 19:29.52 | insanekane | poleWurk, littlecms ? |
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| 19:29.53 | citral | poleWurk: the knobs? |
| 19:29.53 | EdibleText | poleWurk, dual head? |
| 19:30.12 | pw | carnage: apt-get install lightning-fingers |
| 19:30.15 | greycat | takatumi: but if he *stays* in GNOME, he'll *still* have that fucking esd running... hogging the dsp device... |
| 19:30.15 | poleWurk | citral, it is hard to see... just usiing the knobs |
| 19:30.22 | bpence | takatumi: ogg123 says I'm using OSS audio driver output, then "error opening xxx.mp3 using the oggvorbis module. the file may be corrupted" |
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| 19:30.33 | karsten | poleWurk: IINSC, there may be gamma and related corrections per-monitor in XF86Config. |
| 19:30.37 | bpence | it's a USB External HDD, is it possible it's not setup right? |
| 19:30.39 | alfatau | hi, how to send a mail from command line? |
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| 19:30.46 | baronsamedi | carnage, I wouldn't worry about the fretboard yet, get your picking hand sorted first |
| 19:30.47 | greycat | bpence: hehehe |
| 19:30.49 | baronsamedi | pfft. |
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| 19:30.59 | citral | poleWurk: mmm? I mean on the monitors, there are knobs to change contrast, brightness, colors... |
| 19:30.59 | greycat | bpence: ogg123 plays... wait for it... oggs. |
| 19:31.04 | EdibleText | alfatau, mail someone@example.com -s 'hello foo' |
| 19:31.10 | greycat | bpence: mpg123 is EVIL, and mpg321 plays... wait for it... mp3s. |
| 19:31.26 | bpence | greycat: haha.. jokes on me.. hang on.. |
| 19:31.28 | greycat | alfatau: mailx(1) or mutt(1) |
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| 19:33.25 | bpence | greycat: do you know how to close this Nautilus crap without shutting down the whole freakin computer? |
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| 19:33.39 | nostromo^ | err, anyone else experiencing a SIGSEGV on sshd using the lastest ssh package on unstable? |
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| 19:34.05 | greycat | bpence: I think you want to kill esd. |
| 19:34.11 | citral | nostromo^: before asking here, did you check in the bug tracking system? |
| 19:34.42 | greycat | bpence: have you tried actually *investigating* the problem directly? E.g., What error did "echo hello world > /dev/dsp" give you? Did you check to see what processes had /dev/dsp open? |
| 19:34.44 | Madeye | karsten, what do you mean by YMMV? in your page? |
| 19:34.48 | greycat | !ymmv |
| 19:34.49 | dpkg | ymmv is probably your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.] |
| 19:34.54 | karsten | !ymmv |
| 19:35.16 | slocate | what was the name of that kool space game used to come in rh6.* |
| 19:35.19 | slocate | 2D |
| 19:35.43 | slocate | the ship was a triangle |
| 19:35.48 | bpence | greycat: once again i say.. I don't know how debian uses sound.. what drivers do what.. what I have to have loaded.. so no, I haven't actually *investigated* anything, because I don't know what to investigate! |
| 19:35.48 | citral | apt-cache search kool space 2D game |
| 19:35.54 | slocate | lol |
| 19:36.04 | greycat | bpence: what error did "echo hello world >/dev/dsp" give you? |
| 19:36.20 | nostromo^ | citral, sorry, checking now. |
| 19:36.36 | bpence | greycat: I don't even have a /dev/dsp |
| 19:37.04 | Myren | i fucking hate gnome |
| 19:37.06 | pw | ymmv? That was Brett Glass's webzine. |
| 19:37.08 | Nic | Myren: why? |
| 19:37.10 | bpence | I have a directory of /dev/snd with some stuff in it |
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| 19:37.20 | Madeye | !ymmv |
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| 19:37.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.] |
| 19:37.21 | greycat | what. the. fuck. |
| 19:37.25 | Myren | because htey decided to reinvent select() all over again, only their socket code SUCKS |
| 19:37.29 | greycat | is it a fucking UDEV user??! |
| 19:37.30 | NeoTech | [Tue Jan 25 20:05:28 2005] [alert] mod_unique_id: unable to gethostbyname("WWWebServer__Roughedge") << what does this error mean??? *trying to startup Apache again..* |
| 19:37.32 | Madeye | so is it a joke ? |
| 19:37.34 | Madeye | :D |
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| 19:37.38 | db101 | guys please i need some help urgent |
| 19:37.39 | pw | Myren: File a bug. Fix it. Fuck off. <-- pick one. |
| 19:37.43 | greycat | !hurry |
| 19:37.43 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 19:37.43 | db101 | anyone know why my pppoe closes itsefl every couple of days and is there a way to possibly make it detect that ppp0 is not there and to make it restart and verifythe conneciton automatically say every 30 seconds? |
| 19:37.58 | bpence | greycat: what? |
| 19:37.58 | db101 | i have a static ip addres |
| 19:37.59 | citral | bpence: modprobe snd-pcm-oss may help |
| 19:38.04 | War2 | cron does not seem be doing anything (even after the time interval has hit) on sarge install (for a normal user). Does the group 'crontab' in /etc/group got to do anything with it? |
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| 19:38.13 | bigup | hi :) |
| 19:38.15 | Nic | greycat: what's the matter with you? |
| 19:38.29 | Nic | greycat: stfu if you don't want to help please. thanks |
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| 19:38.43 | greycat | bpence: you installed "gnome" in sarge, didn't you? And got "udev" installed, didn't you? And now you're using udev. Which means you suffer the living hell of pre-beta-quality software that Linux folks, in their infinite lack of wisdom, have labelled "stable". |
| 19:38.49 | Myren | i just fail to see how socket code can be so AWFUL at handling disconnects |
| 19:39.01 | Madeye | heh nice bot dpkg |
| 19:39.03 | NeoTech | [Tue Jan 25 20:05:28 2005] [alert] mod_unique_id: unable to gethostbyname("WWWebServer__Roughedge") << what does this error mean??? *trying to startup Apache again..* |
| 19:39.12 | greycat | Nic: good idea. I have *real* work I should be doing instead of trying to unravel the fucking DISASTROUS MESS that is Linux. |
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| 19:39.31 | bigup | hi have some troubles installing debian testing : the shift key does not work on X so that I have to type "setxkbmap fr-latin9" to make my keyboard work. How can I do so that when all users log in, they have the good keymap? |
| 19:39.35 | Nic | nice :) |
| 19:39.37 | abrotman | NeoTech: `nslookup WWWebServer__Roughedge` |
| 19:39.47 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 19:39.54 | abrotman | NeoTech: and ask #apache |
| 19:40.01 | bpence | greycat: I don't know what this thing installed.. it asked "desktop" "workstation" or "server". I hit desktop |
| 19:40.03 | bpence | :) |
| 19:40.20 | HenryV | anyone running Cyrus IMAP 2.1 server? I've got it setup properly as a server, but i cannot get fetchmail or procmail to deliver over the lmtp socket (but i can manually from the command line!) |
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| 19:40.30 | Nic | bpence: forget it |
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| 19:41.27 | bpence | greycat: ok, it's now playing the file.. but I can't hear anything even when I turn the volume up |
| 19:41.39 | citral | bpence: greycat has left |
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| 19:42.11 | Nic | bpence: alsamixer to unmute |
| 19:42.53 | b00 | hey, anyone knows how to make alsaconf see my second (and the one im using) sound card ? |
| 19:43.02 | b00 | the shyte doesnt seem to detect the card |
| 19:43.11 | bpence | Nic: ok.. hang on |
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| 19:43.37 | bpence | Nic: alsamixer doesn't exist |
| 19:43.57 | Madeye | LOL, still cant get what is YMMV |
| 19:44.01 | cahoot | b00: disable the one you don't want |
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| 19:44.19 | b00 | cahoot: a long way |
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| 19:44.32 | b00 | cahoot: is that the only way ? |
| 19:44.53 | Nic | bpence: install it then :) it may be in alsa-utils |
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| 19:45.23 | guru | how do i tell what devices i have connected to any parallell ports are? |
| 19:45.28 | Nic | bpence: I think you should search a nice alsa howto and follow it, it could help |
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| 19:45.52 | kzar | are the lirc modules included in the debian kernel sources? |
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| 19:46.09 | cahoot | b00: try blacklist the module? |
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| 19:47.28 | bpence | Nic: I did apt-get install alsa-utils and it install all the alsa stuff, and it works perfect now. thanks for the help |
| 19:47.48 | SpAcEmAn2 | someone would have do an VPN with racoon (in X509) ? |
| 19:48.38 | bpence | Now, anyone know about Wireless PCMCIA cards? that's the only thing left to configure... |
| 19:48.58 | b00 | cahoot: err, both cards' support is compiled in the kernel |
| 19:49.19 | hacim | does anyone know how to change interface names in a cisco from FastEthernet0/11 to something else? |
| 19:49.22 | b00 | cahoot: can you still black list one ? |
| 19:49.32 | cahoot | b00: no |
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| 19:50.17 | bpence | hacim: you can't |
| 19:50.30 | hacim | bpence: ah, you can only change the description or alias? |
| 19:50.40 | bpence | hacim: but you should be able to abbr. it as "fe0/11" |
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| 19:51.12 | cahoot | b00: both cards listed in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 19:51.32 | Nolius | hello |
| 19:51.32 | phanter | Hey hello. I have a debian sarge server running. Is it possible to put a wireless adapter pci card in the server and let that act like a wireless router? |
| 19:51.58 | nostromo^ | !symbols |
| 19:52.07 | elnovato | teorethicly if i copy all my hard disk to another pc (laptop) it should work everything rith? |
| 19:52.13 | rdancer | phanter: yes |
| 19:52.16 | b00 | cahoot: yeah, and I can even use the one I want with xmms , using its alsa plugin, provided that I specify the hard correctly for the plugin |
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| 19:52.25 | nostromo^ | are there debugging symbols available somehow for debian packages? |
| 19:52.28 | b00 | cahoot: i just want to set it to the default |
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| 19:52.33 | EdibleText | elnovato, yes. dont forget the MBR |
| 19:52.37 | b00 | cahoot: for things like mplayer, specifying the card to use on alsa is a pain |
| 19:52.51 | cahoot | b00: not if you use .asoundrc |
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| 19:53.06 | b00 | asoundrc |
| 19:53.06 | bobgray | whats the best thing to use to one time passwords for a debiansystem? |
| 19:53.08 | b00 | err |
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| 19:54.21 | cahoot | b00: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php?company=Generic&card=Generic&chip=Generic&module=Generic |
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| 19:54.35 | b00 | cahoot: ok, thank you |
| 19:54.42 | hacim | anyone know how to print the OID of a SNMP variable instead of its name? |
| 19:54.42 | elnovato | EdibleText: how to backup/restore the mbr ? |
| 19:54.45 | ReclusE | what command will show me my total physical memory? |
| 19:54.58 | RichiH | free |
| 19:54.59 | igraltist | free |
| 19:55.00 | karsten | elnovato: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 19:55.10 | elnovato | i deny to use that ubuntu, ill fight to isntall debian on laptop |
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| 19:55.23 | ReclusE | thx, rock on! |
| 19:55.32 | elnovato | al ubuntu users are sissies |
| 19:55.39 | thenuke | could I backup mbr with dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=mbr.img |
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| 19:56.17 | elnovato | and restore? |
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| 19:56.28 | Madeye | karsten, installation done, first boot got GRUB error 18 |
| 19:56.30 | thenuke | yes I would like to be able to restore it then too :) |
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| 19:57.09 | jahi | can one calculate with bash? like 'echo $(15/3)' ? |
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| 19:57.52 | Primuz | I need some guidance here... Trying to install debian, and I can't seem to find drivers for my NIC |
| 19:58.03 | b00 | cahoot: oh, i see |
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| 19:58.31 | b00 | cahoot: thanks nice link ;) I got totally tired of alsamixer only working with my tv card, not even the second sound card |
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| 19:58.44 | slocate | Primuz which one? |
| 19:58.52 | cahoot | b00: hope it works out ok |
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| 19:59.06 | b00 | cahoot: yea, it will :) |
| 19:59.06 | tobehz | jahi: you could use bc |
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| 19:59.12 | Primuz | Broadcom corporation: Unknows device 4401 (rev 01) from lspci... |
| 19:59.16 | jahi | tobehz: bc? |
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| 19:59.24 | cahoot | b00: btw alsamixer -c1 for card1 |
| 19:59.44 | slocate | Primuz did you check the HCL |
| 20:00.00 | b00 | cahoot: :) |
| 20:00.08 | abrotman | Primuz: b44 driver |
| 20:00.14 | abrotman | that's a guess |
| 20:00.17 | abrotman | without the whole line |
| 20:00.21 | leOn | i've done a dist-upgrade on a testing machine, and suddenly my xp clients stopped seing my samba DC ... what could be causing this? |
| 20:00.29 | tobehz | jahi: mathematical program |
| 20:00.30 | Xemacs | is there an application that is coundown timer with popup ? |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | leon: on a live box? |
| 20:00.45 | Primuz | ok.. I'm a total noob, could you msg me with some more guidance? :) |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | leon: check bts |
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| 20:00.53 | jahi | tobehz: ah i see, thx |
| 20:01.01 | abrotman | Primuz: lspci | grep Broadcom ... what does the whole line say? |
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| 20:01.05 | elnovato | fuxing net install cant install properly the eject .deb |
| 20:01.15 | abrotman | elnovato: you're bad at this |
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| 20:01.29 | delire_away | Primuz: maye you need a more recent pci.ids |
| 20:01.31 | tobehz | the eject .deb? what the hell is that? |
| 20:01.38 | abrotman | !info eject sarge |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | eject: (ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers under Linux), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.0.13deb-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 20:01.42 | elnovato | i dont know if is my nic or my ISP or debian installer |
| 20:01.49 | tobehz | heh |
| 20:01.49 | Primuz | 01:09.0 Ethernet controller: BROADCOM Corporation: Unknown device 4401 (rev 01) |
| 20:02.04 | tobehz | !info eject sid |
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| 20:02.07 | dpkg | eject: (ejects CDs and operates CD-Changers under Linux), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.0.13deb-8 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 20:02.24 | elnovato | curse you net install!!! |
| 20:02.28 | abrotman | Primuz: which installer are you using |
| 20:02.29 | delire_away | Primuz: is it a new machine? |
| 20:02.32 | abrotman | !moron elnovato |
| 20:02.33 | dpkg | elnovato: You are moron #96 |
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| 20:02.40 | Primuz | the woody net installer |
| 20:02.42 | hacim | arg, anyone know how to convert the SNMP name IF-MIB::ifAlias.5 into the dotted OID? |
| 20:02.43 | delire_away | s/machine/card |
| 20:02.44 | EdibleText | !moron |
| 20:02.44 | dpkg | moron is, like, someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg" |
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| 20:02.50 | abrotman | Primuz: workstation or external server? |
| 20:02.55 | punkrockguy318 | how can I restore the default /etc/crontab file? |
| 20:02.58 | Primuz | workstation |
| 20:03.03 | abrotman | !tell Primuz about d-i |
| 20:03.08 | EdibleText | !status |
| 20:03.08 | dpkg | Since Mon Jan 24 21:37:29 2005, there have been 10 modifications, 573 questions, 130 dunnos, 6 morons and 195 commands. I have been awake for 22h 25m 40s this session, and currently reference 25090 factoids. I'm using about 15656 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 173.23/9.21 child 175.45/16.78 |
| 20:03.10 | abrotman | Primuz: you'll be much much happier |
| 20:03.11 | leOn | don't see anything on bts |
| 20:03.22 | leOn | but i'm also not positive that it's bug |
| 20:03.28 | Primuz | ok.. thanks. :) |
| 20:03.28 | punkrockguy318 | anyone know? |
| 20:03.30 | abrotman | leon: i don't know much about samba .. you could try asking #samba |
| 20:03.37 | leOn | i have... |
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| 20:03.39 | leOn | =/ |
| 20:03.40 | abrotman | Primuz: and i'm pretty sure you need the b44 driver |
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| 20:03.44 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:03.53 | elnovato | abrotman: really doenst work!, the error: "BASE SYSTEM INSTALLATION ERROR, The debootstrap program exited with an error (value 1) GO BACK or CONTINUE" |
| 20:04.00 | lay_ | oi |
| 20:04.07 | elnovato | lay_: privet |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | elnovato: did you use the 110MB netinst? |
| 20:04.34 | abrotman | and why you're bitching to us .. i'm not sure .. |
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| 20:04.39 | elnovato | abrotman: im using the 32 busines card sarge net inst... |
| 20:04.54 | abrotman | elnovato: that's your own fucking fault then .. use the netinst like a normal person |
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| 20:05.10 | abrotman | then it doesn't even require a net connection to get a base system |
| 20:05.12 | punkrockguy318 | How can I restore a default configuration file that was installed with my system? |
| 20:05.20 | Collin_Hay | theres some way to recover a partition? |
| 20:05.24 | abrotman | --force-missconf |
| 20:05.31 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 20:05.32 | elnovato | wtf!! i couldnt find a banner "busineesscard iso is crap dont use it" |
| 20:05.33 | abrotman | man dpkg |
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| 20:05.58 | abrotman | elnovato: you've been here for fucking weeks .. have you seen ANYONE suggest the business card ISO ? |
| 20:06.04 | elnovato | here we go again... dling netinstall... |
| 20:06.05 | Collin_Hay | somebody knows ? |
| 20:06.22 | elnovato | i have a tile of debian cds net install ... already |
| 20:06.30 | doub_ | Collin_Hay: what's your problem? |
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| 20:06.31 | roaima | punkrockguy318: maybe apt-get --reinstall install cron (not tested) |
| 20:06.35 | abrotman | elnovato: so ask #debian-boot what you're doing wrong |
| 20:06.38 | punkrockguy318 | roaima, tried it |
| 20:06.44 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: i just told you |
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| 20:07.03 | abrotman | elnovato: either your machine is a piece of crap .. or you're not smart enough to install debian |
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| 20:07.14 | delire_away | elnovato: many use netinstall successfully. if it's burnt properly then little can go wrong. |
| 20:07.25 | Collin_Hay | doub_ Im trying to recover a partition |
| 20:07.29 | Collin_Hay | from a disk |
| 20:07.33 | Collin_Hay | to recover my files |
| 20:07.33 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, i dont see that in man |
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| 20:07.43 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: dpkg --force-help |
| 20:07.46 | Collin_Hay | i still not formatted my disk yeat |
| 20:07.58 | doub_ | Collin_Hay: yes i know, but what happened? you lost the partiton, or the file system is corrupt, or what? |
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| 20:08.08 | elnovato | how to , netboot ? |
| 20:08.13 | delire | Collin_Hay: were you messing around in fdisk/cfidsk? |
| 20:08.27 | GigaGurl | anyone know what runs on port 32787? |
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| 20:08.36 | thenuke | what does suck in installing debian is the 'dselect' .. I could go and browse it for days =) and find this and that I just have to try or something, then I would end up having 20gigs of software which I never use because I cant remember what I just had to install |
| 20:08.41 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, so what? dpkg --force-confmiss cron? |
| 20:08.42 | abrotman | roaima: i'm telling him to read the docs |
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| 20:08.52 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: you have to install it too |
| 20:08.55 | kzar | I have /usr/src/modules/lirc but I don't know where in the actual kernel source directory to put it before I compile the kernel? |
| 20:08.59 | abrotman | thenuke: skip it |
| 20:09.02 | directhex | thenuke, so dselect isn't part of debian installation. tasksel, and optioonally aptitude, are |
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| 20:09.10 | elnovato | thenuke: yes im with you dselect must die!! |
| 20:09.12 | Collin_Hay | doub_ no no I just had make some shit with my partitions accidentaly |
| 20:09.15 | Collin_Hay | ^-^ |
| 20:09.16 | phanter | GigaGurl: that is not a pre defined port, so ... i do not think somebody just knows |
| 20:09.21 | elnovato | tasksel too! |
| 20:09.23 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, how can I get the package? look in the cache or what? |
| 20:09.23 | doub_ | GigaGurl: try /etc/services or install nmap and search its services file. chances are this port is not the server part, however |
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| 20:09.35 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: apt-get install cron ? |
| 20:09.38 | phanter | GigaGurl: but you can find out yourself...by checking /etc/services |
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| 20:09.41 | abrotman | it would put it in your archives |
| 20:09.48 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, but don't I need to use dpkg? |
| 20:09.56 | thenuke | I did not use tasksel because it would install much something what I dont ever need, I rather manually install everything what I'm not going to ever need :D |
| 20:09.59 | doub_ | Collin_Hay: that is, you deleted the partiton from the partition table, right? |
| 20:10.06 | si|vercat | where is the address of exims smarthost stored..? |
| 20:10.17 | GigaGurl | phanter it's not in /etc/services What ever it is was install during this new install. |
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| 20:10.35 | strubbel | is it possible to pipe something into telnet? |
| 20:10.42 | Collin_Hay | doub_ in really I had ovewritted my old partition! |
| 20:10.48 | Collin_Hay | with a new one |
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| 20:10.51 | Kheldar^ | yep strubbel |
| 20:11.05 | Kheldar^ | (echo text; sleep 1; echo more text; sleep 1) | telnet |
| 20:11.08 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: to get that file back you do |
| 20:11.08 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, how can i use dpkg specific options when I'm apt-getting? |
| 20:11.09 | Collin_Hay | doub_ all the partition table |
| 20:11.12 | strubbel | Kheldar^: please tell me how its done |
| 20:11.13 | cahoot | GigaGurl: no info from lsof -i ? |
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| 20:11.20 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: first intsall cron .. then use dpkg to get what you realy need |
| 20:11.25 | strubbel | Kheldar^: oh |
| 20:11.26 | Kheldar^ | but use expect for that kind of stuff |
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| 20:11.31 | phanter | GigaGurl: I saw that doub_ gave you another tip as well... did you try that? |
| 20:11.39 | karsten | Madeye: Still here? |
| 20:11.48 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, okay, cron is installed... now how can I use dpkg to get back my file? |
| 20:12.02 | pppp | I'm having problems to remove php4. apt-get --purge remove php4 return: /var/lib/dpkg/info/php4.prerm: modules-config: command not found. What can I do to resolve this? |
| 20:12.11 | Collin_Hay | doub_ do you know some way to recover it ? |
| 20:12.18 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: you just told me |
| 20:12.25 | elnovato | pppp: delete your apt cache |
| 20:12.28 | punkrockguy318 | yeah but I need the package file |
| 20:12.31 | abrotman | !find modules-config |
| 20:12.37 | pppp | elnovato, what? |
| 20:12.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'modules-config' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/modules-config) in web/apache-common. |
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| 20:12.42 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: /var/lib/apt/archives |
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| 20:12.48 | GigaGurl | cahoot lsof -P | grep 32787 = |
| 20:12.48 | GigaGurl | rpc.statd 2431 root 5u IPv4 15110 TCP *:32787 (LISTEN) |
| 20:12.55 | abrotman | pppp: ^^^ apache-common |
| 20:13.10 | elnovato | GigaGurl: girl? |
| 20:13.11 | abrotman | elnovato: that makes no sense .. no wonder you can't install debian |
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| 20:13.22 | bigup | i'm back with my keybord problem : I've just installed a new debian/testing with the current sarge installer ans I have no shift key workind on X the keyboard mapping is not right the only way I fond to make it work is : *setxkbmap fr-latin9* but i'd like the mapping to be good on X start and for every user |
| 20:13.38 | roaima | punkrockguy318 it's in your apt cache |
| 20:13.39 | elnovato | abrotman: last time my apt db was corrupted, ive deleted some cache apt files and fixed all |
| 20:13.42 | bigup | I've been working on that for more than 2 hours, if anybody thinks he has a way to find... |
| 20:13.50 | strubbel | Kheldar^: is it also possible if the remote site gives me a custom interface via telnet? |
| 20:13.53 | abrotman | elnovato: did you even fucking read the error? |
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| 20:14.06 | abrotman | bah .. stupid people everywhere |
| 20:14.06 | Collin_Hay | anybody know how to recover a partition table after overwritted the old one and restarted my pc ? |
| 20:14.13 | Kheldar^ | strubbel: man expect |
| 20:14.17 | Bedad | hey guys, i keep getting an error with mplayer saying cannot load font: /usr/share/mplayer/font/font.desc but yet that file exists there :-S |
| 20:14.18 | Kheldar^ | it can do that yes |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | Collin_Hay: if you've overwritten it .. not likely .. |
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| 20:14.26 | punkrockguy318 | abauer, oh it was /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 20:14.33 | elnovato | abrotman: ok ok master... was just an opinion.. dont get upset |
| 20:14.34 | abrotman | Collin_Hay: esp not if you formatted it |
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| 20:14.50 | abrotman | Collin_Hay: you'd have to know the size of all partitions |
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| 20:14.57 | punkrockguy318 | okay |
| 20:15.00 | punkrockguy318 | thanks everyone |
| 20:15.01 | punkrockguy318 | see ya] |
| 20:15.26 | strubbel | Kheldar^: will install this, many thanks |
| 20:15.31 | GigaGurl | cahoot no more suggestions? |
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| 20:15.44 | cahoot | GigaGurl: rpc.statd |
| 20:16.03 | Araldit | When using gnome, and enabling the soundserver, what soundserver does it use?? Esound, arts or whatever.. Can they both handle alsa |
| 20:16.05 | GigaGurl | yeah.. don't see it in deselect to remove though. |
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| 20:16.56 | hacim | anyone know how to convert a SNMP MIB name to an OID? |
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| 20:16.58 | elnovato | to avoid tasksel on debian installation one must reset the computer |
| 20:17.09 | abrotman | GigaGurl: that's portmap |
| 20:17.14 | directhex | elnovato, erm... yes, sure. just don't select anything... |
| 20:17.18 | db101 | hacim: thats gibberish to me |
| 20:17.19 | EdibleText | elnovato, wrong |
| 20:17.29 | hacim | db101: :) |
| 20:17.31 | db101 | heh |
| 20:17.32 | GigaGurl | abrotman isn't portmap 111? |
| 20:17.35 | abrotman | elnovato: just keep quiet .. you keep proving you don't know anything |
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| 20:17.49 | abrotman | GigaGurl: try removing portmap .. see what happens .. but i'm pretty sure that's what it is |
| 20:17.50 | directhex | Araldit, esound, and it can live on alsa. |
| 20:18.16 | elnovato | ok ok ill keep my knowledge for myself |
| 20:18.20 | db101 | anyone know why my pppoe closes itsefl every couple of days and is there a way to possibly make it detect that ppp0 is not there and to make it restart and verifythe conneciton automatically say every 30 seconds? |
| 20:18.20 | abrotman | thank god |
| 20:18.30 | ^m0se5 | anyone know of a program that will take 3 mpg movies and make them 1? cat isn't working for me. The movie index or whatever stops the movie after the first part finished. |
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| 20:18.55 | gothtec | Gah! I'm going nuts! I have a samba share I can write to if I put "read only=no" in the config, but if I put "read only=yes" and "write list=gothtec" in there, I can't write to it. The purpose is to permit only myself to write to the directory and, according to my understanding of the documentation, this is the way to do it |
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| 20:19.02 | cahoot | GigaGurl: using gnome? |
| 20:19.18 | GigaGurl | cahoot nope... no desktop |
| 20:19.18 | Iconsumed | when I run alsaconfig, it says it can't load module "snd" how do I install snd? |
| 20:19.24 | elnovato | gothtec: use gnome, he does all |
| 20:19.25 | distempr | Is there a package that stabs at my hard drive telling me temps or SMART status? |
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| 20:19.31 | strubbel | Kheldar^: the braces "(" ")" in bash are new to me...nice :) |
| 20:19.38 | gothtec | elnovato: gnome?! |
| 20:19.48 | ^m0se5 | Can I reindex the movie somehow? |
| 20:20.09 | Kerr | Ugh... |
| 20:20.24 | jethro | ^m0se5: man avifix man mplayer man avisplit |
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| 20:20.36 | Araldit | directhex: nice thx |
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| 20:20.52 | jethro | ^m0se5: avifix and avimerge (not avisplit) are part of transcode |
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| 20:21.16 | directhex | distempr, yes. smartmontools and hddtemp, in that order |
| 20:21.33 | db101 | anyone know why my pppoe closes itsefl every couple of days and is there a way to possibly make it detect that ppp0 is not there and to make it restart and verifythe conneciton automatically say every 30 seconds? |
| 20:21.41 | elnovato | gothtec: yes gnome |
| 20:21.42 | Kerr | Managed to install nvidia drivers, now when kdm comes up, it shows nvida's splash, which stays there, and 'welcome to linux at debian' along with 'username' and 'password' floating over it with nothing else of the login. even typing in my correct username and password, i get login failed. Any ideas? |
| 20:21.53 | daft | db101, sended a cript to you in pm |
| 20:21.57 | Bedad | hmm if i want to upgrade the kernel, but yet i use netinstall, how am i suppose to do it. I tired downloading the kernel source that i have at the moment, i then downloaded the patch 2.6.10 and tried to apply it and it goes through but i get errors for certain files missing |
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| 20:22.04 | RedPenguin | Does anyone know if DansGuardian has been ported to Win32 by someone? |
| 20:22.08 | ribnitz | hello |
| 20:22.20 | elnovato | Kerr: do you have installed kde? |
| 20:22.21 | abrotman | Primuz: you shouldn't /msg people without permission |
| 20:22.22 | db101 | Kerr: all you need to do is make the runlevel not start in xdm |
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| 20:22.25 | Zap-W | is QoS in linux mature? |
| 20:22.26 | abrotman | !guidelines |
| 20:22.26 | dpkg | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
| 20:22.27 | db101 | or XDM |
| 20:22.31 | Madeye | karsten, yeah :-) |
| 20:22.33 | db101 | something like this |
| 20:22.49 | ribnitz | Where would I find the fonts to be able to display arabic, chinese, korean,.. websites correctly in firefox? |
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| 20:22.59 | directhex | Kerr, you could disable the nvidia splash screen? |
| 20:23.07 | gothtec | elnovato: and just what part of gnome can help me with a samba server that doesn't allow me to write? |
| 20:23.26 | ribnitz | Kerr: if so, please do tell. |
| 20:23.33 | nvz | I just realized what HP is selling.. that light scribe stuff is like a cd burner drive that also burns labels. |
| 20:23.33 | elnovato | gothtec: you cant write a letter? |
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| 20:23.52 | gothtec | elnovato: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 20:23.56 | Collin_Hay | abrotman yeah but how I do recover ? |
| 20:24.08 | ^m0se5 | jethro, I don't have a package here called transcode. |
| 20:24.09 | directhex | in tyhe device section of xf86config, add Option "NoLogo" "yes" |
| 20:24.22 | nvz | sounds pretty slick acutally now if they had made it so you didnt have to flip the cd over that would be even cooler |
| 20:24.23 | ribnitz | directhex: me? |
| 20:24.40 | directhex | ribnitz, no, Kerr |
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| 20:24.47 | jethro | !fgi @^m0se5 transcode |
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| 20:24.47 | dpkg | @^m0se5: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=transcode |
| 20:24.47 | Kerr | I don't use KDE, i use icewm, but i don't see how that should matter. it's KDM by choice 'cause it's purty, though. I somehow thing the splash screen is a syntom not the problem. |
| 20:24.49 | Mauro__ | Hi |
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| 20:25.00 | Kerr | directhex: will do, though. |
| 20:25.07 | elnovato | gothtec: are you drunk? |
| 20:25.10 | Kerr | think^^^ |
| 20:25.12 | ribnitz | Kerr: the nvidia-popup at xserver start? |
| 20:25.16 | Mauro__ | I have a little problem with my vsftpd, it snt allowing local users to log in |
| 20:25.18 | abrotman | Collin_Hay: i'm pretty sure you can't .. you'd have to know the exact partition begin/end for each partition iirc |
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| 20:25.24 | Kerr | ribnitz: yup |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | Collin_Hay: ask ##linux .. or maybe #hardware |
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| 20:25.44 | ribnitz | Kerr: thats independent of wm/dm |
| 20:26.00 | phanter | Mauro__: You checked the config file ? |
| 20:26.03 | abrotman | elnovato: really .. be quiet |
| 20:26.17 | abrotman | gothtec: please ignore him |
| 20:26.19 | _-Ghost-_ | hello ... |
| 20:26.25 | gothtec | elnovato: look.. dude. i have a samba daemon. it is sharing a directory for my network. i have a problem with that share being read-only. this has nothing to do with gnome. in fact, neither the server nor the client has a graphical interface! |
| 20:26.28 | redsolo | i just upgraded to the 2.6.10 kernel (from 2.4.X), and now my swedish chars wont work and all the ncurses menus look like crap, what setting am I missing?? |
| 20:26.30 | gothtec | abrotman: i will |
| 20:26.34 | distempr | directhex, thank you! |
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| 20:26.35 | ribnitz | directhex: where did ya get that trick from?- dont you wanna tell that to dpkg? |
| 20:26.37 | _-Ghost-_ | hmmm some of you are good in video paramtre on debian please ? |
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| 20:27.14 | elnovato | gothtec: then just add write permisions on the login user |
| 20:27.20 | ribnitz | dpkg, tell ghost about ask |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | holy mother of god |
| 20:27.22 | elnovato | use webmin if you cant manage that |
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| 20:27.25 | abrotman | shut up |
| 20:27.26 | gothtec | .... |
| 20:27.27 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 20:27.28 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 20:27.33 | EdibleText | gothtec, use smbclient //<netbiosname of samba> -U <valid user> and see if you can make a dir or somesuch |
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| 20:28.09 | abrotman | elnovato: just be quiet .. don't say a word unless you have a question .. you're not helping a single person here .. watch and observe .. gain knowledge from others .. sharing yours is not working |
| 20:28.15 | gothtec | elnovato: yeah. do that. |
| 20:28.17 | Bedad | hmm if i want to upgrade the kernel, but yet i use netinstall, how am i suppose to do it. I tired downloading the kernel source that i have at the moment, i then downloaded the patch 2.6.10 and tried to apply it and it goes through but i get errors for certain files missing |
| 20:28.23 | ribnitz | elnovato: that opinion of webmin is shared sympathy. |
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| 20:28.32 | abrotman | or disdain ? |
| 20:28.47 | ribnitz | Bedad: apt-get (that thing is called kernel-image) |
| 20:29.02 | debofc | i am new to debian and wanna install xmame but i do not know which of the following to install: xmame-x, xmame-svga, xmame-sdl my pentium3 laptop uses trident cyberblade graphics. |
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| 20:29.21 | _-Ghost-_ | some of you have ati graphique ? .. have some prob with my all in wonder 9100 :( |
| 20:29.25 | Rawplayer | what could this be ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 20:29.26 | ribnitz | abrotman: well, that mild fuzzy feeling you get when you see another one advocate or use it. |
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| 20:29.42 | abrotman | ribnitz: i think that's pity for either party |
| 20:29.50 | Gaar4 | Hi all |
| 20:29.54 | ribnitz | Rawplayer: ssh1 vs ssh2, preshared key? |
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| 20:30.00 | gothtec | EdibleText: I can make directories as both the user and guests and everything as long as I do "read only=no" in the config. no problem at all. I then tried, to make sure my format was correct in the file, to add "valid users=gothtec". This lead to, as it should, that only gothtec could access the share. So I then did "read only=yes" and "write list=gothtec" and I can't write :/ |
| 20:30.02 | Gaar4 | i need help, because I want to install my debian on a SATA disk |
| 20:30.08 | Gaar4 | is someone can help me? |
| 20:30.14 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 20:30.14 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:30.25 | abrotman | Gaar4: it is a workstation? |
| 20:30.29 | debofc | can someone help me too? |
| 20:30.35 | abrotman | no way .. |
| 20:30.36 | Gaar4 | no it's a personal computer |
| 20:30.37 | abrotman | :) |
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| 20:30.45 | ribnitz | Gaar4: no probs at all, give you take a more or less current netinst |
| 20:30.48 | abrotman | Gaar4: that's a workstation afaic |
| 20:30.50 | strubbel | Kheldar^: with some sleepy time telnet does a good job :) expect is interesting, but seems to be too featureful for my purpose |
| 20:31.02 | debofc | i am running debian unstable |
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| 20:31.12 | Gaar4 | hum so what do you want me to do? |
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| 20:31.22 | abrotman | debofc: i'd say either first or last .. |
| 20:31.25 | EdibleText | gothtec, do as i suggested from the cmd line with read only= yes write list=gothtec |
| 20:31.29 | EdibleText | gothtec, use smbclient //<netbiosname of samba> -U <valid user> and see if you can make a dir or somesuch |
| 20:31.32 | elnovato | whats the unstable net install iso? |
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| 20:31.33 | strubbel | Kheldar^: thanks again |
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| 20:31.39 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:31.39 | dpkg | ig is probably for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 20:31.57 | EdibleText | gothtec, and do you have "map to guest= bad user" or something? |
| 20:32.10 | ribnitz | Gaar4: ask dpkg about netinst, get the image with base on (~100mb for intel), and install that. |
| 20:32.14 | Bedad | hmm if you do apt-get install kernel-image, does it actually upgrade the whole kernel to that image, or? |
| 20:32.20 | Kheldar^ | strubbel: ur welcome, but i wouldnt put valid useraccounts in some textfile :) |
| 20:32.22 | Gaar4 | but it doesn't detect my disk |
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| 20:32.25 | gothtec | EdibleText: I can't. and no, i don't have anything like that. if I had, guests wouldn't be able to access anything at all, i take it? |
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| 20:32.38 | Gaar4 | !netinst |
| 20:32.38 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 20:32.56 | EdibleText | gothtec, no its a way to fail gracefuilly if the user doesnt exit and gives guest access |
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| 20:33.17 | EdibleText | gothtec, ie it wont prompt for a passwd |
| 20:33.19 | ribnitz | Gaar4: what sata controller? |
| 20:33.24 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 20:33.24 | dpkg | [sata faq] at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 20:33.25 | Gaar4 | Silicon Raid |
| 20:33.25 | debofc | abrotman, i am installing the sdl one |
| 20:33.34 | abrotman | debofc: anything fun to play? |
| 20:33.50 | gothtec | EdibleText: sounds nice.. I don't see that fixing my problem though |
| 20:33.50 | ribnitz | Gaar4: Silicon image, yes. works fine here. |
| 20:33.53 | abrotman | Gaar4: are oyu trying to install on a RAID volume or just a single drive/ |
| 20:33.58 | _-Ghost-_ | !ati driver |
| 20:34.00 | _-Ghost-_ | lol |
| 20:34.01 | Gaar4 | just a single drive |
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| 20:34.17 | debofc | i have a cd with ome roms: galaga, spaceinvaders, phoenix |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | oh fun |
| 20:34.25 | gothtec | EdibleText: I've seen lots of configs on google that do it just like this :/ |
| 20:34.28 | ribnitz | Gaar4: dont use the the adapters raid functionality though, you are better off with linux softraid |
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| 20:34.55 | Gaar4 | I don't understand what you have said |
| 20:34.56 | Gaar4 | sorry |
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| 20:35.11 | elnovato | seems the gentoo community accepted me as support consultant |
| 20:35.15 | EdibleText | gothtec, we havnt determind if 'gothtec' is a valid user on samba |
| 20:35.26 | EdibleText | gothtec, of course you can give guest acces |
| 20:35.44 | ribnitz | Gaar4: Once you have 2 drives connected, do not use the Silicon imagfe to make them a RAID, use the linux built-in functionality. |
| 20:35.47 | gothtec | EdibleText: yes we have.... i think. cause with "valid users=gothtec", gothtec is the only user that can access anything |
| 20:35.47 | abrotman | elnovato: good .. go there .. |
| 20:36.06 | cahoot | abrotman: nah he's just trolling there |
| 20:36.25 | Gaar4 | ok thank you |
| 20:36.40 | Gaar4 | !debian sarge |
| 20:36.40 | gothtec | EdibleText: I also have a share with no guest access which gothtec can access with a username and password |
| 20:36.43 | Gaar4 | !sarge |
| 20:36.44 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 20:36.51 | Gaar4 | !d-i |
| 20:36.51 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 20:36.53 | ribnitz | Gaar4: and if you download a current sarge netinst image, it will work fine. |
| 20:37.02 | ribnitz | Gaar4: yep, that one |
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| 20:37.46 | makeio | anybody use vmware under debian, i have a problem when i starts vmware it distorsions my X-window(gnome), any solution??? |
| 20:37.47 | _-Ghost-_ | brb no one have ati all-in-wonder 9100 ? that work normaly ? .. |
| 20:37.50 | _-Ghost-_ | ............ |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | cahoot: i'd like to get him +q .. but he's done nothing techinically wrong but be an idiot |
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| 20:38.33 | ribnitz | hi bluedwarf |
| 20:38.42 | Bedad | ribnitz, the only kernel-image i have is 2.6.8 highest, but i dont see 2.6.10 in there, i've ran update, but still no sign? |
| 20:38.43 | bluedwarf | hi ribnitz |
| 20:38.46 | abrotman | cahoot: oh .. he's being a pain in #gentoo also? |
| 20:39.00 | cahoot | abrotman: trying his best |
| 20:39.11 | ribnitz | Bedad: I think 2.6.9 and later has not made it into sarge. |
| 20:39.14 | abrotman | cahoot: maybe all of freenode would be better off without him |
| 20:39.28 | _-Ghost-_ | Bedad, not sure you mustn't put sid on synaptic to get 2.6.8.10 .. |
| 20:39.31 | Azul_Leon | <<--newb can somebody help me out a little? I keep getting "i8253 count too high!" message on my console - any suggestions? |
| 20:39.32 | EdibleText | gothtec, have you tried to access the 'gothtec only share' as another user? |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | cahoot: i wonder if he's doing the same with ubuntu channel |
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| 20:39.48 | _-Ghost-_ | sure that ... only on sid .. |
| 20:39.51 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: spurious interrupt? |
| 20:39.53 | borius | how do i get grep to print which file something was found in? |
| 20:39.53 | ribnitz | Bedad: but the sid ones (download from packages.debian.org) work fine for me. |
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| 20:39.56 | EdibleText | gothtec, and what are the local perms and who owns the dir |
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| 20:40.07 | Bedad | ribnitz, oh, sid? |
| 20:40.08 | cahoot | abrotman: I won't look into it |
| 20:40.09 | Azul_Leon | hm... i was curious about that |
| 20:40.15 | Azul_Leon | but i don't know enough to go about fixing |
| 20:40.18 | borius | nevermind its -H |
| 20:40.19 | abrotman | cahoot: ok |
| 20:40.20 | ribnitz | Bedad: yep, sid. |
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| 20:40.22 | invsblduck | wow; you're in a pretty bad place when the rest of freenode can do without you :^) |
| 20:40.25 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: spurious interrupt? |
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| 20:40.34 | BleSS | i've a dude in xfree/xorg. for what are the modules xtrap and record? |
| 20:40.41 | _-Ghost-_ | for me too Bedad sid working well on .. |
| 20:40.44 | Azul_Leon | depends on what you mean by spurious |
| 20:40.52 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: is that the error? |
| 20:40.55 | Bedad | hmm the ones on packages.debian.org the maximum for 386 is 2.6.8-2 |
| 20:40.56 | abrotman | !spurious interrupt |
| 20:41.03 | Azul_Leon | no - the message just says that |
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| 20:41.10 | Bedad | sid? i dont even know what sid is, sorry :( |
| 20:41.10 | Azul_Leon | "i8253 count too high!" |
| 20:41.10 | abrotman | !spurious 8259a interrupt |
| 20:41.10 | ribnitz | _-Ghost-_: dont tell too many, we are busy enough preventing them from switching to sarge. |
| 20:41.10 | dpkg | spurious 8259a interrupt is, like, see http://search2.intel.com/corporate/default.aspx?culture=en-US&q=spurious+8259a&x=0&y=0 |
| 20:41.13 | abrotman | that's why i was asking |
| 20:41.14 | gothtec | EdibleText: I have "unix extensions = no" in the config. the ownership of the files don't matter, as far as I can tell |
| 20:41.17 | ribnitz | !sid |
| 20:41.17 | dpkg | sid is probably the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 20:41.25 | United | how can i see what cron is doing for all users? all the cron activity? |
| 20:41.25 | Bedad | i do now |
| 20:41.26 | abrotman | but that was is 8259 .. |
| 20:41.28 | _-Ghost-_ | lol oki ribnitz sorry .. |
| 20:41.29 | Bedad | still in development |
| 20:41.29 | Azul_Leon | yap |
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| 20:41.35 | abrotman | United: cron logging? |
| 20:41.35 | LinuxNIT- | can yall tell me if there is a program that runs with a gui that will allow me to scan for wireless networks an dthen just clikc on the one i want to join? |
| 20:41.38 | Azul_Leon | i've seen this before - and seems to only appear under Debian |
| 20:41.40 | Azul_Leon | o.O |
| 20:41.49 | abrotman | LinuxNIT-: sounds illegal |
| 20:41.56 | LinuxNIT- | windows does it |
| 20:41.56 | doub_ | Collin_Hay: you can try gpart which is made for this purpose : scanning the disk for partitions. |
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| 20:41.59 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: nothing on google |
| 20:42.04 | United | abrotman, yea how do i view the cron logs |
| 20:42.07 | EdibleText | gothtec, wrong |
| 20:42.09 | EdibleText | gothtec, and what are the local perms and who owns the dir |
| 20:42.12 | Azul_Leon | hey - LinuxNIT - check out "net stumbler" |
| 20:42.17 | LinuxNIT- | ok |
| 20:42.17 | abrotman | United: check /var/log .. you may have to change your logging options |
| 20:42.18 | LinuxNIT- | thanks |
| 20:42.29 | invsblduck | ~ubuntu |
| 20:42.30 | EdibleText | gothtec, man smb.conf /unix extensions |
| 20:42.32 | United | abrotman, i did didnt find anything, how do i change the logging options |
| 20:42.38 | Azul_Leon | abrotman - yeah google didn't give me much either - hence my appearance here :) |
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| 20:42.50 | abrotman | United: /etc/syslog.conf i think |
| 20:42.54 | abrotman | maybe .. i can't remember |
| 20:42.55 | Azul_Leon | since it only appears under debian I figured i'd poke in |
| 20:42.56 | gothtec | EdibleText: gothtec owns them all, actually |
| 20:42.57 | abrotman | man cron :) |
| 20:42.59 | BleSS | i've a dude in xfree/xorg. for what are the modules xtrap and record? |
| 20:43.00 | ribnitz | Bedad: what I said is get package from sid, be happy |
| 20:43.08 | United | #cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: try emailing the list i guess |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | United: good guess |
| 20:43.17 | United | it was commented out, how do i restart it so it will be effective? |
| 20:43.18 | Azul_Leon | yeah - well thanks for trying though :) |
| 20:43.18 | ribnitz | Bedad: no idea, debian does not use x.org |
| 20:43.25 | EdibleText | gothtec, so throw caution to the wind and chmod 777 then see if you can write |
| 20:43.26 | Azul_Leon | i'll go check some other resources |
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| 20:43.32 | abrotman | United: SIGHUP syslog |
| 20:43.34 | EdibleText | gothtec, and go from there |
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| 20:43.48 | United | SIGHUP syslog |
| 20:43.49 | United | -bash: SIGHUP: command not found |
| 20:43.57 | makeio | nobody helpme?? |
| 20:43.59 | United | kill SIGHUP syslog ? |
| 20:44.02 | EdibleText | gothtec, at least youll know if its a perm issue |
| 20:44.11 | doub_ | United: kill -HUP <pid of app> |
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| 20:44.36 | United | root 13487 0.0 0.0 1756 620 ? Ss Jan05 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 20:44.38 | abrotman | makeio: did you ask a question? |
| 20:44.48 | kzar | Is there a way to see what modules are available? (not ones actualy probed) |
| 20:44.49 | makeio | anybody use vmware under debian, i have a problem when i starts vmware it distorsions my X-window(gnome), any solution??? |
| 20:44.55 | United | kill -HUP 13487 |
| 20:44.56 | United | ? |
| 20:44.59 | Bedad | get package from still in development? if it's still in development i take it there is no package available for the kernel-image 2.6.10 yet, hence i can't use it? But i could manually get the source and patch the 2.6.8 kernel to 2.6.10? |
| 20:45.06 | doub_ | kzar: modconf maybe |
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| 20:45.14 | abrotman | kzar: man .. modinfo i think it is .. or use modconf to browse them all |
| 20:45.20 | kzar | ok cheers |
| 20:45.34 | r011 | with a custom build kernel is there any problem to upgrade it later? or i have to rebuilt the kernel every time i upgrade? |
| 20:45.44 | Azul_Leon | hey abrotman - guess what - I googled it differently and i found the solution |
| 20:45.48 | gothtec | EdibleText: still can't write. but hey, even guest can write if I do "read only=no". It can hardly be an issue with the filesystem |
| 20:45.49 | United | cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 20:45.53 | Azul_Leon | go here to see it -->> http://www.mcse.ms/archive235-2004-11-1211700.html |
| 20:45.58 | United | what is the difference between that and a leading - |
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| 20:46.22 | Azul_Leon | just thought you'd like to know the fix |
| 20:46.41 | EdibleText | gothtec, paste smb.conf in #flood or put it on a web server |
| 20:46.54 | doub_ | United: maybe man has the answer |
| 20:47.05 | ribnitz | Any idea where I would get the fonts to correctly display arabic websites? |
| 20:47.09 | cee | how can i override the ~/.xinitrc with startx ? |
| 20:47.10 | ribnitz | in firefox? |
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| 20:48.02 | elnovato | lol, gentoo guys believes they are more superior than debianers |
| 20:48.06 | Kerr | directhex: i edited XF86Config-4 ... was that the right file? |
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| 20:48.22 | ribnitz | elnovato: everyone believes that. |
| 20:48.24 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: good |
| 20:48.27 | doub_ | !start a distro war |
| 20:48.27 | dpkg | Gentoo 0wnz! |
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| 20:48.54 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: that doesn't fix it .. that removes the error |
| 20:48.59 | rafx | lol |
| 20:49.07 | abrotman | err error message |
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| 20:49.15 | R3Ap3r | dos ne1 know how 2 get gmail 2 work with opera?? |
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| 20:49.23 | pw | What the hell?> |
| 20:49.28 | punkrockguy318 | R3Ap3r, use firefox? |
| 20:49.33 | pw | R3Ap3r: Are you IRCing from your mobile phone? |
| 20:49.34 | Zero_Dogg | Can anyone point me in the direction of a apt repository containing OOo2.x builds? |
| 20:49.36 | R3Ap3r | i did |
| 20:49.42 | R3Ap3r | no |
| 20:49.43 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-23.html |
| 20:49.44 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer R3Ap3r |
| 20:49.44 | dpkg | 'R3Ap3r' is 99.480% lame, tarzeau |
| 20:49.54 | BleSS | for what are the modules xtrap and record? are they necessary in a minimal system? |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you get another bot that told you something? |
| 20:50.05 | punkrockguy318 | dpkg nickometer punkrockguy318 |
| 20:50.10 | abrotman | !nickmeter punkrockguy318 |
| 20:50.11 | dpkg | punkrockguy318 is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 20:50.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: !nickmeter tarzeau |
| 20:50.19 | R3Ap3r | i just wanna know how 2 get gmail 2 work wit opera lol |
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| 20:50.25 | abrotman | !2 |
| 20:50.25 | punkrockguy318 | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for punkrockguy318 is 44.000%, punkrockguy318 |
| 20:50.25 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
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| 20:50.40 | abrotman | R3Ap3r: and it doesn't last i tried |
| 20:50.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't know what happened to ApTek |
| 20:50.46 | pw | R3Ap3r: You can't. Thanks for playing. |
| 20:50.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant kiluminati ... |
| 20:50.59 | abrotman | Kiluminati: turn that off |
| 20:51.03 | punkrockguy318 | !ph34r tH3 r3ap3r |
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| 20:51.11 | R3Ap3r | theres no way 2 send emails?? |
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| 20:51.14 | abrotman | !2 |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 20:51.17 | pw | !2 |
| 20:51.19 | tarzeau | !1 |
| 20:51.19 | Kiluminati | Sorry, turn what off? |
| 20:51.25 | abrotman | Kiluminati: the nickmeter script |
| 20:51.26 | punkrockguy318 | !2 |
| 20:51.26 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 20:51.27 | EdibleText | R3Ap3r, you can send 2 emails |
| 20:51.28 | dogmeat | anyone know where i can download the ata_piix device driver? |
| 20:51.31 | rafx | lmao |
| 20:51.36 | sussudio | !seen dorks |
| 20:51.37 | tarzeau | !3 |
| 20:51.38 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dorks', sussudio |
| 20:51.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, 3 is the news item that i would like to read |
| 20:51.39 | rafx | this is better than tv |
| 20:51.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's wrong with it? |
| 20:51.43 | pw | EdibleText: What happens when he sends the third? |
| 20:51.44 | Kiluminati | wtf? don't got no nickmeter :s |
| 20:51.45 | sussudio | hm bleh. |
| 20:51.45 | Iconsumed | My ISA es1868 soundcard doesn't work, can someone guide me thru an installation? |
| 20:51.51 | sussudio | !seen piggies |
| 20:51.51 | dpkg | sussudio: i haven't seen 'piggies' |
| 20:51.52 | abrotman | Kiluminati: !nickmeter Kiluminati |
| 20:51.53 | Kiluminati | don't even know what that is |
| 20:51.55 | EdibleText | pw, he didnt ask about that |
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| 20:51.59 | abrotman | Kiluminati: try it in this window |
| 20:52.00 | rafx | cruel bastards. funny, but cruel |
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| 20:52.06 | Kiluminati | !nickmeter kiluminati |
| 20:52.06 | ribnitz | dogmeat: should be in your kernel |
| 20:52.06 | dpkg | kiluminati is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 20:52.22 | Azul_Leon | abrotman - thanks for that link - that's a much easier solution for me right now |
| 20:52.32 | Kiluminati | ... what do I have to do with that? :s |
| 20:52.35 | gothtec | EdibleText: http://gothtec.panikk.org/stuff/smb.conf <- that's the way it looks right now anyway.. the share I'm testing on is "storage". |
| 20:52.39 | abrotman | Kiluminati: it's you |
| 20:52.40 | R3Ap3r | ok wat happens wen u send the thired |
| 20:52.41 | sussudio | !bt |
| 20:52.41 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom |
| 20:52.41 | roaima | I'm using gnome (sarge) also with fonts from MS Windows2k. The "Courier" font doesn't display in Firefox, yet it seems to exist on the system. How can I either fix this or change Courier to be Courier New instead? Please |
| 20:52.42 | abrotman | you're doing it |
| 20:53.01 | tarzeau | roaima: they are not free! |
| 20:53.03 | pw | R3Ap3r: I love you. You're solid gold. |
| 20:53.11 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:53.11 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:53.11 | R3Ap3r | ok' |
| 20:53.19 | roaima | I know. But I have to confirm to company policy. At least I get to run sarge instead of w2k |
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| 20:53.34 | blas | hi, howto add DIR1 into DIR1.tar ? |
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| 20:53.37 | Kiluminati | abrotman: I ain't got _no_ script whatsoever that's doing something of nickmeter |
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| 20:53.39 | blas | tar -c dir1 says: |
| 20:53.40 | abrotman | R3Ap3r: guess what .. we're neither #gmail or #opera .. go away |
| 20:53.49 | Kiluminati | but I'll leave, that'll be easyer |
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| 20:53.51 | blas | -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 20:53.57 | tarzeau | blas: try tar -c dir1.tar dir1 |
| 20:54.00 | abrotman | am i the only one that got that? |
| 20:54.05 | elnovato | whats the command to but the sarge image ? |
| 20:54.05 | tarzeau | blas: and add a f after -c |
| 20:54.06 | pw | Got what? |
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| 20:54.19 | blas | tarzeau: thank you, whats the f stands for ? |
| 20:54.24 | tarzeau | blas: file |
| 20:54.25 | abrotman | pw: if you would !nickmeter poop .. kiluminati would spew back at me |
| 20:54.28 | abrotman | err at you |
| 20:54.54 | pw | Weird. |
| 20:55.03 | roaima | tarzeau any more suggestions? |
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| 20:55.46 | tarzeau | roaima: not really :) |
| 20:55.51 | elnovato | cdrecord .... ? |
| 20:55.57 | Primuz | hmm.. I really should find some good docs on setting up my network. I don't even know how to set my ip to be static instead of using dhcp here |
| 20:56.01 | tarzeau | roaima: maybe you can make a screenshot of your problem? |
| 20:56.09 | abrotman | !tell Primuz about interfaces |
| 20:56.12 | roaima | Well, it's a blank page |
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| 20:56.46 | fusion | Is there a tool in debian that will show which video codecs are required to play a video file? |
| 20:56.48 | tarzeau | roaima: what you get when you dip a page of not blank in a fountain |
| 20:57.02 | roaima | tarzeau what do you get from www.manheimeurope.com/chris/courier.html ? |
| 20:57.05 | tarzeau | fusion: file thevideo.file ? |
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| 20:57.20 | roaima | I get no lines for the "Courier" test |
| 20:57.25 | tarzeau | roaima: hello world all looking the same, in links2 -g |
| 20:57.37 | redsolo | about X11, is possible to start it without a mouse??? |
| 20:57.43 | tarzeau | redsolo: sure |
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| 20:57.51 | roaima | well that's a fat lot of good when I'm trying to solve a gome problem :-/ |
| 20:57.55 | roaima | :-) |
| 20:57.59 | ribnitz | redsolo: I doubt it |
| 20:58.17 | redsolo | tarzeau: im commented all mouse settings away from XF86Config, but it wont start because "no core pointer specified" |
| 20:58.26 | ribnitz | tarzeau: "no pointer device"? |
| 20:58.34 | tarzeau | redsolo: you have to tell it to start even not finding one |
| 20:58.42 | tarzeau | redsolo: google |
| 20:58.51 | tarzeau | ribnitz: the verb is missing |
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| 20:59.12 | elnovato | abrotman: im using the 100mb sarge netinstall iso, is that ok?? |
| 20:59.27 | tarzeau | elnovato: yes |
| 20:59.27 | ribnitz | elnovato: yep |
| 20:59.28 | abrotman | elnovato: it's better than the business card one |
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| 21:00.07 | elnovato | ok, ill send you the 8 cds net install ive burned.. and are useless for analisis and bug detection |
| 21:00.12 | Azul_Leon | lol |
| 21:00.14 | Azul_Leon | 8 cds |
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| 21:00.51 | abrotman | elnovato: why not use all 15? |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | lazy bum |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | or get the first sarge full ISO |
| 21:01.35 | kzar | I have made the lirc modules package on my faster pc, and then copied it to the one that needs it. dpkg -i'ing it works fine but i cant seem to modprobe lirc_serial. I thought it would work fine as I used the fast pc to compile the kernel too and that worked fine. |
| 21:01.54 | elnovato | abrotman: thats the next step if this doesnt work |
| 21:02.16 | EdibleText | gothtec, you should put 'valid users= gothtec' in to those shares.. and the 'force user/group = gothtec' will force written files to have gothtec:gothtec |
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| 21:02.38 | veleno | when i launch firefox, i get an error message about a default user already in use...but there's no firefox running. why ? |
| 21:02.49 | gothtec | EdibleText: valid users=gothtec prevents guest access |
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| 21:02.50 | citral | veleno: ps aux |
| 21:02.57 | abrotman | elnovato: have you considered asking #debian-boot ? |
| 21:02.59 | Iconsumed | please someone help me with my sound configuration... when I run alsaconf it says it can't detect es18xx but my card is an es1868... before it starts it prints in console that it can't find module "snd" |
| 21:02.59 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:02.59 | dpkg | ig is probably for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | or reading one of those? |
| 21:03.06 | EdibleText | gothtec, have you tried? |
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| 21:03.21 | EdibleText | gothtec, does it allow write? |
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| 21:03.26 | raf256 | hi there |
| 21:03.40 | gothtec | EdibleText: no write, and no guests |
| 21:03.50 | raf256 | is it normal that some processes are present in proc/ but not in ps aux (even from root account) 2.6.9 debian sid |
| 21:03.56 | elnovato | uhh,,., seems is working... |
| 21:04.11 | db101 | guys what language is used in bash scripting? |
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| 21:04.23 | raf256 | db101: bash script? |
| 21:04.29 | veleno | citral: no firefox running... |
| 21:04.31 | nvz | db101: bash shell |
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| 21:04.51 | nvz | just like python scripting is python shell |
| 21:04.54 | db101 | ok |
| 21:04.56 | cee | how can i override the ~/.xinitrc with startx .. i.e i want to start kwin isted of startkde witch is in .xinitrc? |
| 21:04.57 | db101 | cool |
| 21:05.20 | raf256 | ok, can someone with proc/ and debian sid, and 2.6.9 veryfie my problem? are some processess visible only in proc/ (for example detected by chkproc utility from chrootkit) and not in ps aux? |
| 21:05.34 | usn | hi all |
| 21:05.50 | Gujiz | Anyone know how can i change default values of .bashrc ? |
| 21:05.57 | raf256 | damn, Ive been asking this question few tays now, rely ther is noone competent to check if the 2.6.9 kernel is broken, or the ps code (or was I chrooted)? |
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| 21:05.58 | nvz | db101: they are called shell scrips, at the top you put #! then the name of the shell you wrote the script for like /bin/bash, /bin/sh, /usr/bin/python.. |
| 21:06.38 | db101 | ok |
| 21:06.42 | db101 | now tell me ont hing |
| 21:06.56 | Kerr | db101: ont hing |
| 21:06.59 | Kerr | :-P |
| 21:07.00 | veleno | citral: ps aux |grep firefox |
| 21:07.00 | veleno | veleno 5350 0.0 0.2 2036 748 pts/0 R+ 22:09 0:00 grep firefox |
| 21:07.29 | db101 | nvz: #!/bin/bash |
| 21:07.30 | db101 | ping -c 2 69.90.50.9 |
| 21:07.30 | db101 | if [ $? != 0]; then |
| 21:07.30 | db101 | poff dsl-provider |
| 21:07.30 | db101 | pon dsl-provider |
| 21:07.30 | db101 | fi |
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| 21:07.38 | db101 | oh my bad |
| 21:07.41 | db101 | heh |
| 21:07.43 | nvz | heh |
| 21:07.47 | db101 | is that script right? |
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| 21:07.55 | raf256 | !smite a bit debian community |
| 21:07.55 | nvz | db101: yes |
| 21:08.00 | redsolo | tarzeau: googling for xfree86 or X11 and mouse, generates quite some hits.. but I will give it another shot |
| 21:08.02 | db101 | then why do i get this error |
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| 21:08.06 | nvz | db101: has to have the executable bit to run it |
| 21:08.19 | nvz | db101: man chmod |
| 21:08.20 | EdibleText | gothtec,guest ok is fucking you |
| 21:08.20 | fuchsto | anyone heard something from RichiH? |
| 21:08.25 | db101 | i did |
| 21:08.34 | fuchsto | db101: When? |
| 21:08.38 | gothtec | EdibleText: yeah, but I want guests |
| 21:08.49 | EdibleText | gothtec, " If this parameter is yes for a service, then n guest connections to the service are permitted." |
| 21:08.52 | db101 | chmod +x /var/spool/cron/crontabs/dslup |
| 21:08.56 | db101 | i did that |
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| 21:09.06 | EdibleText | s/n / only/ |
| 21:09.19 | EdibleText | gothtec, thus you must use the map to guest parameter |
| 21:09.22 | fuchsto | ouh :) |
| 21:09.28 | nvz | db101: well whats the problem? |
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| 21:09.42 | nvz | I need to get a shower, I havent got all day |
| 21:09.44 | gothtec | EdibleText: sounds smart.. How do I use it? |
| 21:09.51 | db101 | and when i run the script form the shell i goe this error |
| 21:09.59 | EdibleText | gothtec man smb.conf |
| 21:10.04 | db101 | lick this |
| 21:10.04 | db101 | /var/spool/cron/crontabs/dslup: [: missing `]' |
| 21:10.07 | db101 | hrm |
| 21:10.16 | FieldySnuts | pretty self explanatory |
| 21:10.26 | nvz | db101: doesnt tell you what line the error is on? |
| 21:10.30 | db101 | nah |
| 21:10.37 | EdibleText | gothtec, its not easy to explain.. |
| 21:10.53 | doub | db101: you must put a space before ']' on the if line |
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| 21:10.58 | db101 | ah |
| 21:11.01 | db101 | my bad |
| 21:11.02 | nvz | db101: help test | less |
| 21:11.03 | db101 | hehe |
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| 21:11.04 | gothtec | EdibleText: reading the manpage.. it's long though :/ |
| 21:11.04 | db101 | thanksx |
| 21:11.18 | db101 | now one omre nvz ple one ok |
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| 21:11.21 | Roey | hi |
| 21:11.22 | EdibleText | gothtec, hit '/' then type 'map to guest' |
| 21:11.28 | abrotman | nvz: /msg ? |
| 21:11.29 | nvz | db101: help is a bash built0in command for help on bash |
| 21:11.31 | valdyn_ | raf256: _which_ process is missing / more in either? |
| 21:11.33 | nvz | abrotman: ? |
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| 21:11.39 | abrotman | nvz: question in /msg? |
| 21:11.45 | Roey | Will DTrace be available for Debian at all? (is its license compatible with Debian's requirements?) |
| 21:11.52 | db101 | nvz: can i modify the scrip[ like this: |
| 21:12.08 | nvz | abrotman: no idea, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 21:12.14 | abrotman | nvz: i'm serious |
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| 21:12.17 | valdyn_ | raf256: ps aux and ls /proc cant show identical process lists for obvious reasons |
| 21:12.21 | db101 | after the then statement can i continue else echo "dsl is up"; and it will come on the console? |
| 21:12.22 | nvz | I dont know wtf you are talking abourt |
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| 21:12.28 | abrotman | nvz: may i msg you ? |
| 21:12.32 | nvz | db101: sure. |
| 21:12.33 | abrotman | i'm asking permission |
| 21:12.34 | tarzeau | redsolo: found it? |
| 21:12.37 | db101 | ok |
| 21:12.39 | db101 | thanks |
| 21:12.39 | nvz | abrotman: go ahead :P |
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| 21:13.00 | gothtec | EdibleText: ah! map to bad user sounds like it will allow logins without asking for the password.. I'll try this |
| 21:13.02 | elnovato | uhh... romance... |
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| 21:13.34 | doub | db101: maybe you can try using the 'persist' ppp option, which is a whole simpler (man pppd) |
| 21:13.35 | citral | cool hostname, fsck.tv :P |
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| 21:14.00 | EdibleText | gothtec, yes thats what I was getting at earlier.. its been a while since my samba hasnt worked the way I want it too |
| 21:14.10 | doub | db101: used in conjunction with 'lcp-echo-interval 30' iirc |
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| 21:14.28 | EdibleText | gothtec, the guest ok should have been a red flag |
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| 21:15.05 | gothtec | EdibleText: well I'll still need guest ok, right? to allow the bad user guests to access things? |
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| 21:15.17 | zao_ | how do i avoid fsck on my /dev/shm every 20th time i reboot? |
| 21:15.38 | streuner__ | zao_: knoppix? |
| 21:16.14 | EdibleText | gothtec, no. map to guest = bad user' allows the connection to fail gracefully to guest access when a non 'valid user' connects to the share |
| 21:16.18 | doub | zao_: the last 2 numbers in the /dev/shm line of /etc/fstab should be '0 0' |
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| 21:17.14 | zao_ | streuner__: nope plain testing |
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| 21:17.18 | EdibleText | gothtec, so if the user is not a valid samba user hell get guest access, and anly permissions you give guests will apply |
| 21:17.21 | zao_ | doub: did that, didnt help |
| 21:17.28 | zao_ | none /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 |
| 21:17.29 | EdibleText | s/anly/only |
| 21:17.33 | drac | hell? |
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| 21:17.54 | EdibleText | drac, contracted contraction minus apostrophe |
| 21:18.03 | redsolo | AH, there seem to be a flag "-allowMouseOpenFail" that will let the X start without a mouse!!!' |
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| 21:18.18 | dur | I have video card and have 256MB of ram how do I translate that to kb ? |
| 21:18.34 | EdibleText | dur 256*1024 |
| 21:18.35 | streuner__ | x 1024 |
| 21:18.49 | dur | thanks |
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| 21:18.56 | EdibleText | kb |
| 21:19.01 | EdibleText | dur 256*1024*8 |
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| 21:19.10 | EdibleText | bits or Bytes |
| 21:19.32 | kzar | Is there a link somewhere which sets where the kernel source is? |
| 21:19.32 | dur | xfree86 is asking in kB |
| 21:19.40 | EdibleText | oh then the first |
| 21:19.49 | dur | ok |
| 21:20.00 | elnovato | thast what i call comunist |
| 21:20.08 | doub | zao_: fsck won't work on this particular one anyway, there's no way to fsck a tmpfs file system anyway |
| 21:20.14 | doub | zao_: what happens exaclty? |
| 21:20.34 | ExUser2 | how do i connect to a windows computer that is on the network from command line? |
| 21:20.36 | EdibleText | <voice type = Frankenstein> Communism baaaad! |
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| 21:20.51 | Azul_Leon | exuser2 -> smb://<servername>/<share> |
| 21:20.55 | gothtec | EdibleText: "needed to set up guest share services when using security modes other than share". so he'll be a guest, and to allow that guest to access anything at all, i must do guest ok=yes on something... or am i completely lost |
| 21:20.56 | streuner__ | kzar: nope - there is no default, you could put the source elsewhere |
| 21:20.56 | zao_ | doub: every 20th time i reboot it says "have to check blabla /dev/shm/root" |
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| 21:21.05 | Azul_Leon | i think that will work for u |
| 21:21.05 | zao_ | and it then takes veeery long |
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| 21:21.11 | Azul_Leon | lol indeed |
| 21:21.13 | zao_ | longer then fsck on a 120gb |
| 21:21.17 | Azul_Leon | wow |
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| 21:21.22 | streuner__ | kzar: why do you think you need this? |
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| 21:21.27 | doub | zao_: are you using debian proper? |
| 21:21.35 | zao_ | doub: what you mean? |
| 21:21.35 | db101 | so guys with the crontab how would i make something run every minute? |
| 21:21.39 | kzar | streuner__: i meen when i install a kernel source package is a link made? I think one is made because im going to be installing a module package and I think it figures it out automaticaly |
| 21:21.39 | EdibleText | gothtec, simply if the user is not valid [to samba] then the user will be 'mapped to guest' |
| 21:21.49 | doub | zao_: is your distribution debian or a derivative? |
| 21:21.53 | Raf256_ | what was that utility to check apt-get files before isntalling them, do they have known bugs? |
| 21:21.54 | redsolo | tarzeau: i think so! there is an option in the xf86 config for it as well.. testing it out now |
| 21:21.58 | emilios | question : If I go to a website with sound I can listen to the music but if I try to play an audio cd I can hear any sound , any sugestions? |
| 21:22.01 | zao_ | doub: ah, its plain debian |
| 21:22.10 | streuner__ | kzar: you build the module in the folder where you store the sources itself... |
| 21:22.11 | deadcat | db101: 1/60 * * * * runme i think |
| 21:22.12 | emilios | can't^ |
| 21:22.14 | zao_ | i dunno, before a month or two didnt have that |
| 21:22.15 | sirlouka | do you need to have a NEtBIOS name in samba.conf? |
| 21:22.17 | EdibleText | guest 0k conflicts with valid user |
| 21:22.21 | db101 | hmm |
| 21:22.21 | gothtec | EdibleText: hey! it works! |
| 21:22.23 | zao_ | must have come after some update |
| 21:22.35 | gothtec | EdibleText++ |
| 21:22.42 | gothtec | hm.. no carma bots? |
| 21:22.43 | kzar | streuner__: I know but when you apt-get install the module it asks you if it should do it automaticaly |
| 21:22.49 | EdibleText | gothtec, dont forget the '!' |
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| 21:22.51 | eddyp | any idea of a chanel to talk about some weird network setup I want to fix? |
| 21:22.51 | emilios | question : If I go to a website with sound I can listen to the music but if I try to play an audio cd I can't hear any sound , any sugestions? |
| 21:22.52 | thoreauputic | emilios: probably no wire fromyour cdrom to your sound card |
| 21:22.53 | gothtec | EdibleText: Thanks a bunch, then! |
| 21:22.55 | gothtec | !EdibleText++ |
| 21:22.57 | doub | zao_: what's in /dev/shm/root ? |
| 21:23.00 | gothtec | ~EdibleText++ |
| 21:23.02 | EdibleText | :) |
| 21:23.03 | danny- | ~[ Azul_Leon ]~ i tried that and it said no such file or directory, is there a command similar to ipconfig in linux, or something where i can find other computers? |
| 21:23.05 | apt | danny-: that's too long |
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| 21:23.07 | gothtec | dpkg, EdibleText++ |
| 21:23.10 | kzar | streuner__: well if theres no link Il just see what happens but I thought i should check |
| 21:23.13 | EdibleText | later, must commute |
| 21:23.13 | gothtec | something should do it :) |
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| 21:23.28 | streuner | kzar: what command is that exactly? |
| 21:23.39 | zao_ | doub: it does not exist. thers only /dev/shm |
| 21:23.41 | kzar | apt-get install lirc-modules-source |
| 21:23.42 | thoreauputic | emilios: I have the same issue- you need to enable digital ouput from the cd player |
| 21:23.44 | emilios | thoreauputic : I haven't configure my hardware lately |
| 21:23.53 | zao_ | when exactly was this tmpfs stuff integrated in debian? |
| 21:24.04 | emilios | thoreauputic : how do I do that |
| 21:24.05 | emilios | ? |
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| 21:24.15 | doub | emilios: depends on the app you use |
| 21:24.24 | thoreauputic | emilios: depends on the player |
| 21:24.27 | Raf256_ | what was that utility to check apt-get files before isntalling them, do they have known bugs? |
| 21:24.35 | vulture | Raf256_: apt-listbugs |
| 21:24.36 | Raf256_ | apt-bugs something |
| 21:24.41 | Raf256_ | vulture- thanks |
| 21:24.52 | danny- | When trying to get into other windows computer on a network i dont get prompted for a pw, just denied access? |
| 21:24.59 | thoreauputic | emilios: xmms can do it for instance |
| 21:25.07 | elnovato | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:25.34 | abrotman | elnovato: ask #debian-boot |
| 21:25.46 | deadcat | elnovato: should be /sbin/init maybe? |
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| 21:25.49 | doub | zao_: it's for sharing memory between processes. but your problem is quite strange |
| 21:26.07 | elnovato | deadcat: seems another bug on debian net install |
| 21:26.14 | abrotman | elnovato: ask #debian-boot |
| 21:26.15 | abrotman | elnovato: ask #debian-boot |
| 21:26.15 | danny- | When trying to get into other windows computer on a network i dont get prompted for a pw, just denied access? |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | fucking retard |
| 21:26.19 | deadcat | elnovato: ah. |
| 21:26.25 | pw | !repeat |
| 21:26.25 | dpkg | it has been said that repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
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| 21:26.28 | zao_ | doub: it is. you say fsck on tmpf isnt possible at all? |
| 21:26.32 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: thank you .. i deserve that |
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| 21:26.54 | abrotman | i've told him to ask -boot about 10 damn times |
| 21:26.57 | abrotman | and he won't |
| 21:27.05 | abrotman | or he's been kicked from that channel |
| 21:27.13 | abrotman | or he's trolling here |
| 21:27.21 | doub | zao_: yes, fsck would be for non-volatile storage (ie hard disks), but tmpfs by nature only exists in ram |
| 21:27.32 | elnovato | im just a poor debian user wich trust on here debianers |
| 21:27.44 | abrotman | ask the people that made the CD you're using ... |
| 21:27.45 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
| 21:27.49 | abrotman | are oyu really that fucking stupid? |
| 21:27.49 | Raf256_ | with jabber client is good for debian (sarge) and supports both client-server and client---client encryption? |
| 21:28.03 | abrotman | Raf256_: which DE? |
| 21:28.24 | elnovato | you should get a laid, seems you are streesed |
| 21:28.27 | Oryn | raf256: psi supports server-client |
| 21:28.31 | redsolo | im building a media box (freevo.sf.net), and I want it to start very quickly. is it worth compiling a special kernel?? |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | elnovato: and you're doing it dumbass |
| 21:28.40 | zao_ | doub: yes, but after it is mounted i could fsck it? |
| 21:28.52 | Nic | I've the feeling debian ppl are a lot more agressive than the others, don't know why :) |
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| 21:29.11 | In|Vain | hey, anybody tell me the different between "sarge" and debian 3.0? |
| 21:29.17 | abrotman | Nic: it depends .. we don't appreciate clueless people who can't be bothered to ask intelligent questions or read documentation |
| 21:29.25 | streuner | Nic: NO! ;-) |
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| 21:29.31 | Nic | abrotman: nobody does |
| 21:29.36 | Azul_Leon | excuse me |
| 21:29.37 | Azul_Leon | i did |
| 21:29.37 | zao_ | doub: where do i find it? can i run tune2fs on it? |
| 21:29.38 | Azul_Leon | -.- |
| 21:29.49 | danny- | When trying to get into other windows computer on a network i dont get prompted for a pw, just denied access, any ideas? |
| 21:29.49 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: it's still flooding oyur term? |
| 21:29.50 | strubbel | exists a quick vim command to go to the previous file like :n for the next? |
| 21:29.54 | pw | !repeat |
| 21:29.54 | dpkg | it has been said that repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
| 21:29.58 | Nic | abrotman: but some ppl say it nicely. I know it isnt easy though |
| 21:29.59 | Azul_Leon | yeah abrot - i'm still trying stuff |
| 21:30.00 | thyhorror | Does Christian Marillat come in here ? |
| 21:30.08 | Azul_Leon | at least i have a direction to go on now |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | Nic: some peopel get on my nerves .. |
| 21:30.15 | Nic | :) |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: but you also googled ... |
| 21:30.26 | drac | pw, don't repeat |
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| 21:30.31 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: some morons can't even ask in the right channel |
| 21:30.35 | pw | drac: The irony was lost, I see. |
| 21:30.47 | streuner | thyhorror: why? |
| 21:30.57 | danny- | no1 has any idea about my question? |
| 21:30.59 | elnovato | sorry im drunkl |
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| 21:31.09 | streuner | go to bed |
| 21:31.16 | thyhorror | streuner: I'm having a problem with the avidemux debian package . |
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| 21:31.18 | doub | zao_: tune2fs is for ext2 file systems, not tmp file systems. tmpfs files systems by definition can't be fscked : they do not live on a partiton (when unmounted, everything in there just does not exist anymore) |
| 21:31.18 | Azul_Leon | abrotman - heh - it's just the way irc is |
| 21:31.24 | Nic | danny-: no, it's strange |
| 21:31.37 | streuner | thyhorror: those packages aren't official |
| 21:31.37 | danny- | Okay thnx |
| 21:31.38 | abrotman | Azul_Leon: yeah .. but it takes a lot for me .. that fucktard has been here for weeks causing problems |
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| 21:31.54 | doub | zao_: what can happen is that there's another partition mounted under /dev/shm/<some directory> |
| 21:31.56 | mahmoud | hi all...I can't get sound to work, I'm using sarge (32-bit) on an nForce3-AMD64 system (yes, I'm switching to pure64 soon)...can anyone help me? |
| 21:32.02 | streuner | thyhorror: just mail him |
| 21:32.03 | thyhorror | streuner: yeah , i know. |
| 21:32.18 | abrotman | mahmoud: /msg dpkg sound |
| 21:32.19 | thyhorror | streuner: and did |
| 21:32.25 | abrotman | mahmoud: and install discover possibly |
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| 21:32.36 | zao_ | doub: ok thats quite strange. during the fsck during boot i hear no hd-noise. so i think he is actually working on ram. |
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| 21:33.05 | mahmoud | abrotman, you're talking to a newbie here...please elaborate :) |
| 21:33.18 | abrotman | mahmoud: apt-get install discover .. |
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| 21:33.22 | abrotman | mahmoud: /msg dpkg sound |
| 21:34.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i suspect he's not in the audio group |
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| 21:34.50 | mahmoud | abrotman, I already have discover1 installed |
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| 21:35.01 | abrotman | mahmoud: are you in the audio group? |
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| 21:35.09 | abrotman | !piggysnack |
| 21:35.14 | doub | zao_: what is it saying exactly during "fsck" ? |
| 21:35.19 | abrotman | !piggysmack |
| 21:35.20 | dpkg | Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeel! |
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| 21:35.30 | ricochet | I have a DNS question, whenever I open firefox and go to a webpage, it takes forever on 'looking up name', this is a recent problem, my guess is my ISP's nameserver sucks, what are my options? Can I get bind to download that big name file (is that how it still works?) daily and provide faster service? Also, at what point/layer is the name supposed to be cached? Seems firefox is doing multiple lookups to the same name on a g |
| 21:35.30 | ricochet | iven page. long, sorry. |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:36.02 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 21:36.07 | abrotman | Piggy: why in the muffins? |
| 21:36.08 | mahmoud | abrotman, there's no such group |
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| 21:36.16 | abrotman | mahmoud: there should be |
| 21:36.16 | doub | ricochet: you can try installing dnsmasq, which caches its answers during run-time |
| 21:36.22 | TheSin | lo all |
| 21:36.28 | TheSin | anyone here from the kernel-image packaging team? |
| 21:36.35 | elnovato | not me |
| 21:36.41 | TheSin | ;) |
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| 21:36.43 | doub | ricochet: that won't solve the first resolving latency, however |
| 21:36.44 | abrotman | TheSin: why? |
| 21:36.47 | abrotman | not that i am |
| 21:36.48 | abrotman | but why? |
| 21:36.59 | mahmoud | abrotman, should I create it or what? |
| 21:37.07 | abrotman | mahmoud: it hsould already exist |
| 21:37.13 | TheSin | abrotman, I'm building my own kernel from the debian package and was wondering about the post-install file and the symlinks at the end |
| 21:37.18 | abrotman | mahmoud: if not .. you may have done something wrong |
| 21:37.24 | zao_ | doub: have to take a photo next time. anyway s/t like this: /dev/shm/root: ======= 24.3% |
| 21:37.28 | abrotman | !tell TheSin about kp |
| 21:37.35 | ricochet | doub, yeah. should the browser do some name caching of its own? why would it lookup the same name for a single page a bunch of times? |
| 21:37.47 | TheSin | I can't seem to use FB without it even if I comment it out and build it into the kernel |
| 21:37.51 | TheSin | which is what I want |
| 21:38.03 | TheSin | abrotman, yeah I used kp |
| 21:38.05 | abrotman | TheSin: they have a mailing list |
| 21:38.11 | doub | ricochet: i bet it does, try running ethereal or tcpdump if you want to make shure |
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| 21:38.25 | mahmoud | abrotman, the installer didn't ask me about the sound module, lspci gives this "0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1)" |
| 21:38.40 | TheSin | abrotman, yean but I thoguht if they where someone here I'm sure it would be quick so I thought I'd try here first |
| 21:38.45 | TheSin | thanks though abrotman |
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| 21:39.27 | abrotman | mahmoud: oh jeez .. not sure which module that uses .. |
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| 21:39.38 | abrotman | mahmoud: yu could try asking #nvidia quickly .. they may have an idea |
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| 21:40.00 | doub | zao_: a big ugly solution : "grep -r /etc/* '/dev/shm/root'" and see what it finds, maybe there's part of an answer there |
| 21:40.08 | RedPenguin | I know this may sound stupid, but what is the different in #Debian and ##Debian? |
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| 21:40.16 | dur | how can install a newer version of XFree86? I currently have version 4.1.0.1 and seems to not support my gforce 5200 TIA |
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| 21:40.31 | Rawplayer | dur: install nvidia drivers |
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| 21:40.39 | abrotman | RedPenguin: ##debian is nice people .. we're smart people :) |
| 21:40.49 | mahmoud | abrotman, ok...thanks for your help |
| 21:40.56 | RedPenguin | I see. |
| 21:40.57 | abrotman | mahmoud: sorry i can't help more |
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| 21:41.07 | Rawplayer | !tell dur about nvidia |
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| 21:41.15 | RedPenguin | I was just curious, becuase there seems to be a lot of clones, where it is just an extra # in front of the channel name. |
| 21:41.20 | B0ll0ck5 | I have a question, should I just post away? |
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| 21:41.30 | sander_ | hi! are there any new rumours concerning the sarge release date? :-) |
| 21:41.36 | abrotman | B0ll0ck5: yes |
| 21:41.49 | mahmoud | abrotman, why? thanks...I hope the guys at #nvidia will know |
| 21:41.50 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 21:41.50 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 21:41.56 | abrotman | mahmoud: best of luck |
| 21:42.04 | elnovato | sander_: 2 weeks more |
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| 21:42.18 | elnovato | but ive found a series of new bugs |
| 21:42.31 | paulswm | always jam tomorrow, never today |
| 21:42.34 | B0ll0ck5 | I have an AXIM x50v 640x480 vga screen. I would like to run debian (with a minimal of applications), It is vital however to run a browser with flash player 7 on it. |
| 21:42.40 | abrotman | elnovato: shut the fuck up |
| 21:42.43 | abrotman | it is not 2 weeks |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | fucking god damned moron |
| 21:43.09 | FieldySnuts | he's spreading disinfo and trolling, get an op to get rid of him already |
| 21:43.10 | chealer | elnovato: lol |
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| 21:43.31 | In|Vain | anyone know the difference between the "sarge" and the debian 3.0? |
| 21:43.33 | elnovato | i just said what i heard |
| 21:43.36 | nixx | is this the right place to ask about Sid? |
| 21:43.39 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i haven't seen an op in hours |
| 21:43.41 | paulswm | dammit, looks like I missed some fun, only just got here |
| 21:43.49 | FieldySnuts | i'd do an @ops but no ravenbird. |
| 21:44.01 | abrotman | i don't want to call ops just because he's an idiot |
| 21:44.05 | chealer | sarge date rumors are worthless, but for real info you can read the latest release update at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html |
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| 21:44.13 | FieldySnuts | idiot is fine. spreading disinfo is another. |
| 21:44.29 | abrotman | elnovato: heard from who ? ... your dog? |
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| 21:44.51 | In|Vain | chealer: ok, so what you say that sarge is not released? |
| 21:44.51 | elnovato | the mozilla-thunderbird dev team.. |
| 21:44.58 | chealer | nixx: as much as all debian releases |
| 21:45.01 | abrotman | what the hell do they know? |
| 21:45.05 | nome | someone using firewire hd? |
| 21:45.10 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: you've been trolled. |
| 21:45.10 | B0ll0ck5 | any one have any input? |
| 21:45.14 | elnovato | well, prolly they were drunks.. |
| 21:45.14 | zao_ | doub: good idead. should have though of myself. its in checkroot.sh |
| 21:45.15 | abrotman | you mean as in .. #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 21:45.18 | nixx | chealer: thanks, just making sure :) |
| 21:45.22 | tarzeau | nome: yes it works |
| 21:45.24 | elnovato | no, on icq |
| 21:45.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i know .. and i already kicked him from -ot |
| 21:45.30 | paulswm | In|Vain: debian 3.0 is woody (stable), sarge is testing, you could have found that out at the debian home page |
| 21:45.30 | abrotman | yeah .. ok |
| 21:45.43 | nixx | ok, so I just did a dist-upgrade, and now udev doesn't create /dev/pty* |
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| 21:45.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: if one of them shows up .. i don't want to call them .. but could you get him killed? |
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| 21:45.54 | nixx | shutting down udev is my workaround |
| 21:45.57 | nixx | but is this normal? |
| 21:45.57 | chealer | In|Vain: what do you mean exactly? |
| 21:46.02 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: way over my head |
| 21:46.06 | nome | tarzeau: not for me :( |
| 21:46.11 | In|Vain | paulswm: yeah ,aybe, but Igot really confused when I got to the download site, it's so messy... |
| 21:46.12 | zao_ | doub: ok if i understand it right: just what you said. he mounts my root to /dev/shm/root |
| 21:46.20 | srineer | hi im looking for some help with a php4/apache/debian_testing install. when i go to the page with a .php it want to download instead of running it. i have been google for 2 hours. i am using virtual host. can some one help me? |
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| 21:46.34 | nome | tarzeau: it works but the tr is really slow |
| 21:46.35 | elnovato | im just a honest citizen |
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| 21:46.55 | chealer | nixx: that might normal since sid is also unstable. why are you using it anyway? |
| 21:47.02 | abrotman | oh . maybe i'll get banned instead |
| 21:47.03 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: do a damn !ops elnovato trolling, spreading disinfo, lying (requested by FieldySnuts) if you want, blame it on me |
| 21:47.15 | cyberyo | 'night |
| 21:47.16 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: dpkg still hates you? |
| 21:47.22 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 21:47.26 | abrotman | jeez ... |
| 21:47.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: don won't undo it? |
| 21:47.42 | nixx | chealer: its my 2ndry box, running Sarge on primary, so no worries there |
| 21:47.45 | FieldySnuts | not going to bug him about it |
| 21:47.49 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:47.50 | r011 | can anyone suggest me a good iptables configurator? |
| 21:47.55 | elnovato | omg.. i cant believe what im reading... comunism.. |
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| 21:47.58 | tarzeau | r011: shorewall? |
| 21:48.02 | abrotman | and he can't even spell |
| 21:48.03 | d00f | how can i recover a file with a inode on ext3 fs ? |
| 21:48.07 | FieldySnuts | right |
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| 21:48.11 | abrotman | and it's not communism |
| 21:48.16 | paulswm | abrotman: it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone bans you |
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| 21:48.32 | abrotman | paulswm: lrez kicked me once .. |
| 21:48.40 | abrotman | paulswm: i've been warned a whole lot |
| 21:48.43 | kaiowa | how could i do to when i start kde i execute a bash script that it configure my ip....?? |
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| 21:48.52 | tarzeau | kaiowa: WRONG |
| 21:48.52 | doub | zao_: so what you have to change is the line for your root device in /etc/fstab |
| 21:48.55 | cat | what can python be used for? |
| 21:48.59 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: cute how this guy gets to stay unmolested. |
| 21:48.59 | cat | programming which programs? |
| 21:48.59 | paulswm | abrotman: because you get a bit cranky with twits? |
| 21:49.02 | abrotman | paulswm: in his defence .. i did call him a girl :) |
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| 21:49.15 | FieldySnuts | hi thomas_adam |
| 21:49.16 | guru | after doing make modules_install and copying over my System.map, config, and kernel image all that is left to do is edit my grub config and reboot correct? |
| 21:49.17 | kaiowa | sorry?? |
| 21:49.19 | abrotman | paulswm: it takes a lot for me though .. |
| 21:49.19 | zao_ | doub: ehm.. like how? |
| 21:49.24 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, well that would do the trick |
| 21:49.36 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i'm pretty sure he was banned before .. i wanna have Piggy check |
| 21:49.37 | thomas_adam | Hello. |
| 21:49.49 | abrotman | !sing thomas_adam |
| 21:49.49 | dpkg | thomas_adam was an IRCer, alas he is no more, for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4 |
| 21:49.49 | nixx | guru: don't forget to cross your fingers, but yeah, that's about it |
| 21:49.49 | elnovato | i wasnt banned |
| 21:49.54 | guru | only one way to find out...:) |
| 21:49.54 | zao_ | ah you mean to 0 0? |
| 21:49.55 | r011 | tarzeau: thanks |
| 21:49.57 | nostromo^ | what's the command to edit a runlevel? (something that will create and remove S and K links for me) |
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| 21:50.09 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: well whatever just get his arse outta here :P |
| 21:50.10 | thomas_adam | nostromo^: man update-rc.d |
| 21:50.18 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: heh ... |
| 21:50.18 | nostromo^ | thomas_adam, thanks! |
| 21:50.25 | thomas_adam | nostromo^: although using "ln" is by far easier, IMO. |
| 21:50.26 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i wish we had kick/ban by committee |
| 21:50.28 | doub | zao_: yes. but if your rootfs is not ext3, reiser or the like, that'll put you in trouble |
| 21:50.55 | zao_ | doub: you mean i could severly hurt my hd? |
| 21:50.59 | nostromo^ | thomas_adam, i usually prefer using the distro's mechanism rather than manually edit the /etc/rcX.d.. |
| 21:51.05 | zao_ | ok will look into ext3-ing it |
| 21:51.12 | thomas_adam | nostromo^: To each their own. |
| 21:51.13 | kaiowa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.20 | nostromo^ | thomas_adam, yup :) thanks again |
| 21:51.25 | thomas_adam | No worries. |
| 21:51.25 | paulswm | abrotman: there's a troll here today, but, man, what a bunch of idiots yesterday |
| 21:51.36 | abrotman | paulswm: he's been here for weeks |
| 21:51.43 | cat | what can python be used for? which programms? |
| 21:51.51 | FieldySnuts | idiots are okay, we get tons of those daily |
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| 21:51.53 | doub | zao_: no, but if there are errors, they'll go unnoticed and you might have strange errors because of corrupt files |
| 21:51.55 | FieldySnuts | then we can smite them |
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| 21:52.06 | chealer | cat: check the dependants in synaptic |
| 21:52.08 | abrotman | paulswm: let me refresh your memory ">im drunk" |
| 21:52.10 | zao_ | doub: ext3 is self-healing or what? |
| 21:52.18 | zao_ | i mean i know it journals |
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| 21:52.22 | paulswm | abrotman: aaah, memory refreshed |
| 21:52.31 | zao_ | but i have to check it also, dont i? |
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| 21:52.33 | kaiowa | how could i do to when i start kde i execute a bash script that it configure my ip....?? |
| 21:52.34 | FieldySnuts | hey. if you lost a file, restore from backup. if you don't have backups, consider having them (i.e., tough luck) |
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| 21:53.35 | guru | well sheeit, that didn't help |
| 21:53.37 | doub | zao_: there can still be trouble even with ext3, that's why you'd better leave it as it is. but you can make it check less frequently with tune2fs |
| 21:53.53 | guru | trying to get my parrallel port scanner to work |
| 21:54.00 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem with xchat on debian. i donwload xchat via apt-get then when i go execute i got this problem: ---- xchat: relocation error: /usr/bin/libXft.so.2 what i need do for solve it ? |
| 21:54.10 | guru | my problem is that i don't have scsi emulation...and i've built in the necessary modules into the kernel |
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| 21:54.30 | thomas_adam | setnf: Paste the proper errir. |
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| 21:54.46 | abrotman | !find libXft.so.2 |
| 21:54.56 | setnf | thomas_adam ok wait... ;) |
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| 21:55.22 | paulswm | zao_: ext3 will keep your filesystem coherent even in a power-off, but it won't protect you against hardware problems or doing dumb stuff, I'd run fscks 3 or 4 times a year anyway |
| 21:55.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXft.so.2' (2 shown): (/usr/lib/{libXft.so.2|libXft.so.2.1.1}) in libs/libxft2 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/{libXft.so.2|libXft.so.2.1.1}) in libdevel/libxft2-dbg. |
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| 21:56.43 | setnf | thomas_adam xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2: undefined symbol: > > |
| 21:56.43 | setnf | XRenderQuerySubpixelOrder it's the error |
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| 21:57.22 | rafx | using apt-get on ftp.us.debian.org, i'm getting '404 not found' errors on the new postgresql packages, but other files came thru fine. not sure if this indicates a problem someone needs to look into or if its just normal event when server is slightly outdated |
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| 21:57.37 | davi | How remove a 'pin' on a package ? |
| 21:58.02 | thomas_adam | davi: Why did you even pin it in the first place? |
| 21:58.15 | davi | due to a bug report |
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| 21:58.38 | davi | grave bugs of apache (1.3.33-2 -> 1.3.33-3) <open> |
| 21:58.38 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.38 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.42 | guru_ | why wouldn't i have any sg* devices listed in /dev? |
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| 21:58.45 | abrotman | you mean remove a hold |
| 21:58.48 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 21:58.51 | setnf | thomas_adam you could help me with this error ? i tried install via .tar.gz and via apt-get and the same error is showed.. |
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| 21:59.21 | davi | abrotman, p <pkg..> - make pkgs pinned |
| 21:59.27 | thomas_adam | setnf: I only use irssi -- checked the BTS? |
| 21:59.31 | abrotman | so .. undo all your pinnign |
| 21:59.41 | davi | how do it? |
| 21:59.50 | setnf | thomas_adam whats BTS ? |
| 21:59.58 | thomas_adam | setnf: Sounds like your version of libXft is foobar, but the depends list for xchat doesn't show it. |
| 22:00.11 | davi | abrotman, What command ? |
| 22:00.42 | abrotman | davi: check .. /etc/apt .. check those files .. or try using aptitude to clear it maybe |
| 22:00.53 | setnf | thomas_adam hmm but the version is ok .. can i question again here ? |
| 22:00.55 | davi | thanks abrotman |
| 22:01.03 | thomas_adam | setnf: If you like. |
| 22:01.04 | ^Ocean^ | is there a mailserver that use's mysql for all its users and stuff? So i can create another user in the database, vs giveing them shell access ?? |
| 22:01.16 | caphuso | ^Ocean^: several |
| 22:01.27 | setnf | thomas_adam http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/02/msg00015.html it is my error |
| 22:01.33 | ^Ocean^ | caphuso, What would be my best bet ? |
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| 22:01.42 | caphuso | ^Ocean^: choose any of the top 5 |
| 22:01.45 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem with xchat on debian. i donwload xchat via apt-get then when i go execute i got this problem: ---- xchat: relocation error: /usr/bin/libXft.so.2 what i need do for solve it ? |
| 22:01.58 | ^Ocean^ | caphuso, were can i get a list of the top 5 :) |
| 22:02.13 | thomas_adam | setnf: I couldn't say. Sorry/ |
| 22:02.18 | caphuso | ^Ocean^: start with investigating exim and postfix |
| 22:02.22 | setnf | thomas_adam alright man |
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| 22:03.23 | bucky | setnf, my libXft.so.2 is in /usr/lib |
| 22:03.37 | elnovato | yes!! works!! .. debian net install sarge business card and some images, doesnt work for laptops |
| 22:03.42 | bucky | setnf, not /usr/bin |
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| 22:03.43 | elnovato | im all day testing |
| 22:03.55 | setnf | bucky mine too sorry is /usr/lib eheh |
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| 22:05.48 | kzar | right I'm still working on this.. I have extracted /usr/src/lirc-modules.tar.gz into /usr/src/modules/lirc . The instructions say extract it "into your working directory", have I got that right or is it somewhere like /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10/..... ? |
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| 22:06.39 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem with xchat on debian. i donwload xchat via apt-get then when i go execute i got this problem: ---- xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 what i need do for solve it ? |
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| 22:08.19 | bighead | hi |
| 22:08.56 | bighead | I have a question. I mount my vfat partition in /mnt/dos. In my /etc/fstab, I have the following options for my /mnt/dos entry " ro,users,auto,umask=003" |
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| 22:09.06 | RedPenguin | I have to give it to Debian, it is like the only distro that didn't go nuts installing on my old P1 machine. |
| 22:09.07 | Arkainium | for some reason i can't get cups to detect that I have hpijs installed. specifically, the packages i installed are cupsys hpijs foomatic-db-hpijs. i'm on sarge. |
| 22:09.14 | bighead | this automounts the partition on bootup, however my regular user cannot access the partition |
| 22:09.51 | Arkainium | bighead, you want no restrictions? |
| 22:09.59 | bighead | my regular user can access it, if I umount and mount it again |
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| 22:10.08 | bighead | Arkainium: well, reading files is all that I need |
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| 22:10.29 | bighead | so can somone suggest me alternate options for the fstab entry? |
| 22:10.33 | bighead | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:10.44 | Arkainium | did you try getting rid of the umask? |
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| 22:10.56 | bighead | hmm, ok, one sec. |
| 22:11.09 | bighead | Arkainium: btw, how do simulate automount of the partition on bootup? I don't want to restart. |
| 22:12.28 | Arkainium | bighead, just by mounting it it should look into fstab. meaning don't specify any options. just mount /dir |
| 22:12.46 | bighead | Arkainium: but if I mount a partition from my regular user account, I can acces it. |
| 22:12.47 | eddyp | though network problem : I have to ISPs. The firewall is also the only server. The server acts as a web server, firewall and smtp/imaps server. I want the private network to have all forward trafic on one of the ISPs connection and on both to have mail web and everything but no NAT here (the primary connection is fast and the LAN is SNAT-ed). The problem is that when somebody sends me a packect on the secondary eth the answer (I think) is sent through the primar |
| 22:12.58 | setnf | Arkainium can you help me with xchat ? |
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| 22:14.09 | Arkainium | bighead, it would probably be the same as mounting on root. i don't know though |
| 22:14.10 | dut | hi all |
| 22:14.45 | dut | paulswm: BIG THANKS for your help with hdd! All works perfect! |
| 22:14.54 | bighead | Arkainium: well thats the thing. On bootup, it mounts /mnt/dos. However I cannot read /mnt/dos from my regular user. But if I mount /mnt/dos from my regular user, I can read it then :-/ |
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| 22:15.01 | paulswm | dut: I am delighted to hear it !!!!! |
| 22:15.19 | paulswm | !beer dut |
| 22:15.38 | RedPenguin | Shoot, what was the command to install a .deb file again? |
| 22:15.38 | dut | :-D |
| 22:15.47 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem with xchat on debian. i donwload xchat via apt-get then when i go execute i got this problem: ---- xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 what i need do for solve it ? |
| 22:15.54 | paulswm | RedPenguin: dpkg -i |
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| 22:16.25 | RedPenguin | Thank you. |
| 22:16.30 | RedPenguin | I haven't used it in a while, I forgot it. |
| 22:16.34 | RedPenguin | I hate when that happens. |
| 22:16.41 | paulswm | dut: you can tell I've moved stuff around a lot, that was the product of years of experience and several unbootable systems :) |
| 22:16.59 | lucox | hi, i want to ask why none xorg .deb in woody/sarge/sid ? |
| 22:16.59 | paulswm | RedPenguin: you are most welcome |
| 22:17.25 | dut | paulswm: oh.. :-) |
| 22:17.46 | nixx | lucox: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 22:17.52 | dut | paulswm: now, i have more faster hdd at prime. Cool. :-P |
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| 22:18.03 | paulswm | dut: the thing I most often forget is to edit /etc/fstab, or to get confused as to which fstab was which :) |
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| 22:18.13 | setnf | shit i cant solve it.... on google havent it ;/ |
| 22:18.19 | setnf | plz someone... |
| 22:18.19 | kzar | the lirc modules are in /lib/modules/2.6.10/misc/ like they should be but modprobing them says the module isnt found. Do i have to run a command to re-index all the modules or somthing? |
| 22:18.56 | dut | paulswm: i forgot type 'lilo' :-))) |
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| 22:19.23 | moyix | kzar: depmod? |
| 22:19.28 | db101 | has anyone ever set up a pop3 server on debian? |
| 22:19.32 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:19.35 | abrotman | many of us |
| 22:19.35 | paulswm | dut: I used to do that, too, now I use grub, it's much easier to recover from a mistake, just put grub on a floppy |
| 22:19.37 | dut | paulswm: and then i try boot, i see 40 40 40 40... :-))) |
| 22:19.43 | db101 | ok which is the most stable one? |
| 22:19.55 | lucox | nixx: thnx |
| 22:20.03 | db101 | i was thinkin of using cyrus |
| 22:20.07 | abrotman | db101: i've used courier for pop3/imap .. works pretty well |
| 22:20.08 | dut | paulswm: i loaded with debian 1st cd and type lilo... |
| 22:20.08 | doublehp | In /etc/apache2/apache2.conf I have uncommented 2 lines about php, and restarted the server; php is still not interpreted ... whats wrong ? |
| 22:20.25 | db101 | abrotman: is it very hard to configure it? |
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| 22:20.31 | paulswm | dut: heh, that's a horrible feeling, those numbers from lilo |
| 22:20.32 | chealer | doublehp: are your php files executable? |
| 22:20.39 | abrotman | db101: i didn't tjhink so |
| 22:20.47 | doublehp | chealer: mode 0755 |
| 22:20.50 | kzar | moyix: "depmod -n | grep lirc" returns nothing, that meen its not working? |
| 22:21.12 | db101 | abrotman: does it have any dependencies like LDAP or something and will it run on debian woody? |
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| 22:21.20 | dut | paulswm: yeah. Like a film "Matrix" :-)) |
| 22:21.23 | abrotman | db101: i think it runs fine |
| 22:21.25 | chealer | doublehp: you're using what distrib? |
| 22:21.27 | abrotman | !find courier woody |
| 22:21.29 | p30n | question: what was the command for updating packages again? |
| 22:21.32 | p30n | !apt-get |
| 22:21.32 | dpkg | methinks apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto |
| 22:21.35 | abrotman | apt-get update ? |
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| 22:21.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'courier' (7 shown; 28 total): (/usr/bin/couriermlm) in mail/courier-mlm ;; (/usr/bin/couriertls) in non-US/courier-ssl ;; (/etc/init.d/courier-pcp) in mail/courier-pcp ;; (/etc/init.d/courier-imap) in mail/courier-imap ;; (/usr/sbin/courierauthtest) in mail/courier-debug ;; (/usr/sbin/courierldapaliasd) in mail/courier-ldap ;; (/etc/init.d/courier-mta-ssl) in non-US/courier-mta-ssl. |
| 22:21.48 | setnf | hey ppl i got one problem with xchat on debian. i donwload xchat via apt-get then when i go execute i got this problem: ---- xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 what i need do for solve it ? |
| 22:21.48 | p30n | k |
| 22:21.56 | setnf | !find xchat |
| 22:21.56 | abrotman | db101: apt-cache search courier |
| 22:21.57 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xchat' (3 shown): xchat ;; xchat-common ;; xchat-text. |
| 22:22.05 | thomas_adam | setnf: Try #xchat |
| 22:22.09 | db101 | abrotman: what does it use for authetication? |
| 22:22.12 | setnf | thomas_adam ok ;)) |
| 22:22.14 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.18 | db101 | and can it handle multiple domains? |
| 22:22.23 | abrotman | db101: it can use more than one |
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| 22:22.34 | abrotman | db101: that's up to your MTA iirc |
| 22:22.34 | chealer | doublehp: and you've got libapache-mod-php4? |
| 22:22.41 | dut | paulswm: next target: i must find Debian Sarge and install it. (never seen it, btw) |
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| 22:22.46 | db101 | my MTA is POSTFIX |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 22:22.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 22:22.56 | abrotman | db101: don't shout .. and ask #postifx |
| 22:22.59 | abrotman | err #postfix |
| 22:23.00 | db101 | sorry |
| 22:23.01 | db101 | hehe |
| 22:23.02 | doublehp | chealer yep |
| 22:23.03 | skot | so i installed debian for real and i can't get into the GUI. it is having trouble detecting my video card. can anyone help a new guy out? |
| 22:23.05 | db101 | im spellin it in caps |
| 22:23.09 | db101 | lol |
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| 22:23.20 | abrotman | skot: check your logs |
| 22:23.22 | moyix | kzar: possibly--are you sure it's in the right kernel directory? (ie, does uname -r give 2.6.10 ?) |
| 22:23.33 | kzar | moyix: yea it does :/ |
| 22:23.39 | skot | the error is (ww) ATI: PCI/AGP Mach 64 in slot 1:0:0 coult not be detected |
| 22:23.44 | paulswm | dut: just change your sources.list entries from 'stable' to 'testing', run apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:23.47 | skot | (ee) no devices detected |
| 22:24.06 | skot | i have no idea how to check my logs. |
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| 22:24.24 | moyix | kzar: and you're sure they're supposed to go in misc, rather than drivers/misc ? |
| 22:24.26 | dut | paulswm: change my sources.list not problem :-) Problem in big price for inet traffic... |
| 22:24.37 | kzar | moyix: thats where the package put them so i assume so |
| 22:24.38 | moyix | kzar: (sorry, haven't used lirc before) |
| 22:24.39 | paulswm | dut: aaah |
| 22:24.46 | dut | paulswm: i must find CDs... |
| 22:24.51 | abrotman | !tell skot about set up x |
| 22:24.54 | paulswm | dut: you on dialup? |
| 22:25.01 | skot | neat |
| 22:25.03 | dut | paulswm: nope. Wireless |
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| 22:25.09 | moyix | kzar: dunno, and I have to run now too... good luck |
| 22:25.10 | doublehp | chealer so ? |
| 22:25.14 | paulswm | dut: you pay by connect time? |
| 22:25.14 | kingk | how do you print ghostscript on linux? |
| 22:25.16 | kzar | ok thanks moyix |
| 22:25.28 | strubbel | which program is responsible for running scripts in */*.d/ ? forgot that ;) |
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| 22:25.31 | dut | paulswm: no. I pay for MBs |
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| 22:25.48 | paulswm | dut: oh, yeah that's a lot of MBs |
| 22:25.50 | usn | g2g, good night |
| 22:26.01 | chealer | doublehp: I'm checking http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=InstallTikiDebian to get a clue. do you have apache 1 or 2? |
| 22:26.07 | paulswm | usn: gnight |
| 22:26.11 | doublehp | chealer 2 |
| 22:26.13 | dale_gribble | hey guys, currently i can only mount if i'm root. how does one change this so the user can mount as well? |
| 22:26.25 | chealer | do you have libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 22:26.27 | dmitry | Where can I find right driver for Canon i250 printer? |
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| 22:26.32 | paulswm | dale_gribble: man fstab, man mount |
| 22:26.35 | strubbel | ah i'll help myself |
| 22:26.39 | dale_gribble | thx paul |
| 22:26.40 | dut | paulswm: so, someone will send sarge on CDs... we waiting :-) |
| 22:26.47 | paulswm | dale_gribble: np |
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| 22:26.55 | chealer | dmitry: not sure you can get canon drivers. some i*50 are unsupported on linux |
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| 22:27.12 | doublehp | chealer for now, the problem is about executing php files .... |
| 22:27.13 | strubbel | run-parts :) |
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| 22:27.22 | chealer | dmitry: unless you use turbo(print||something I forgot) |
| 22:27.23 | Madeye | karsten :- |
| 22:27.37 | Madeye | karsten How to setup adsl connection on debian gnome ? |
| 22:27.47 | chealer | doublehp: yeah. do you have the package? |
| 22:27.55 | dut | paulswm: if this will don't work, i will buy CDs via post. 15CD for $5 :-) |
| 22:28.01 | doublehp | chealer: I have all possible packages ... |
| 22:28.11 | strubbel | Madeye: on gnome...mmmm |
| 22:28.38 | strubbel | Madeye: it's easy install pppoe for a user space soloution |
| 22:28.45 | paulswm | dut: that's what you'll have to to, I guess. Problem is, you'r stillgoing to have to do more updates than you're doing with woody, I expect |
| 22:28.54 | skot | k, i'm gonna go try that now. thanks. |
| 22:29.04 | strubbel | Madeye: configuration is easy |
| 22:29.11 | Madeye | strubbel how ? I have setuped a network connection over eth0 but where to set the username and password for ADSL |
| 22:29.23 | chealer | doublehp: hehe right. did you read usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz ? I didn't myself though |
| 22:29.25 | dut | paulswm: oh.. |
| 22:29.39 | strubbel | Madeye: edit /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider |
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| 22:30.19 | strubbel | Madeye: are you on your router? |
| 22:30.26 | dut | paulswm: when i will install system -- i may update more easy(less packages for update) |
| 22:30.33 | paulswm | dut: I run sarge and I do dist-upgrades every day on two slightly different installations, and I'm seeing probably about 5 MB of upgrades a day |
| 22:31.07 | paulswm | dut: may be less, let's say average of 2MB per day per system |
| 22:31.09 | strubbel | Madeye: you are directly connected to your modem, right? |
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| 22:31.22 | Madeye | strubbel no through eth |
| 22:31.28 | doublehp | chealer cant find file |
| 22:31.36 | dut | paulswm: oh, hm... maybe wait for release? |
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| 22:31.40 | strubbel | Madeye: ...via eth |
| 22:31.50 | doublehp | chealer could you ? dpkg -S php4/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:31.59 | dut | paulswm: and then release come, buy it? |
| 22:32.04 | paulswm | dut: up to you, really |
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| 22:32.25 | doublehp | any one could do that for me plz ? dpkg -S php4/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:32.30 | Madeye | strubbel I'm getting permission denied for cd /etc/ppp/peers/ |
| 22:32.32 | ble | hey, guys, anyone knows what is the option for lilo to rstore after suspend to disk? |
| 22:32.41 | chealer | doublehp: no :) |
| 22:32.41 | strubbel | Madeye: got root? |
| 22:32.59 | Madeye | strubbel ? there is no root |
| 22:33.11 | Madeye | and I have try it with sudo, but same |
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| 22:33.21 | strubbel | Madeye: you tell good jokes |
| 22:33.38 | strubbel | Madeye: use su |
| 22:33.42 | Madeye | strubbel I'm newbie and new debian user |
| 22:33.48 | paulswm | dut: I just pay a monthly charge for my cable connection, before I have a flat-rate dialup, so I've always used testing and I've never really had to think about download costs, but, if it wasn't too expensive, I'd probably pay and stick with testing, but just my personal opinion |
| 22:33.52 | strubbel | Madeye: thats ok |
| 22:33.58 | dmitry | You mean Turbo Print 7.0 program? |
| 22:34.15 | chealer | dmitry: I guess that's it |
| 22:34.21 | SpamHog | I started a process by ssh, then lost connection. I am in again, but it's orphan. How can I put it back on pts/1? |
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| 22:34.50 | paulswm | SpamHog: just kill it |
| 22:34.53 | caphuso | SpamHog: you can't. next time use screen |
| 22:35.06 | kingk | How do you print with PC printers ? |
| 22:35.10 | SpamHog | Can't I pipe it? |
| 22:35.14 | db101 | SpamHog: stop ssh and restart it in a bit |
| 22:35.19 | paulswm | SpamHog: no |
| 22:35.20 | kingk | how do you check if you have a debian package installed on your system or not? |
| 22:35.22 | chealer | doublehp: I'm downloading php4 myself, maybe I'll be faced with the same problem as you |
| 22:35.24 | Madeye | strubbel I'm getting auth failure for su root |
| 22:35.27 | caphuso | kingk: dpkg -l package |
| 22:35.43 | SpamHog | OK, I'll be more cafreful next time!! Tnx!! |
| 22:35.43 | db101 | dont do su root |
| 22:35.46 | doublehp | caphuso: could you ? dpkg -S php4/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:35.48 | db101 | jsut do su - |
| 22:35.51 | strubbel | Madeye: did you enter the right password? |
| 22:36.11 | ble | how do you startup a laptop after you send it to hibernation mode? |
| 22:36.13 | caphuso | doublehp: sure.. but: i don't have php installed, so it probably wouldn't be of much use |
| 22:36.15 | chealer | doublehp: this howto might have been outdated, let me try first |
| 22:36.27 | Madeye | strubbel mate, this is a fresh installation and the installation didnt ask me to set a root password, so I'm using normal user pass |
| 22:36.30 | kingk | thx caphuso |
| 22:36.34 | db101 | ble: space bar or enter key or even a sleep funtion key on the laptop |
| 22:36.48 | db101 | or click the mouse |
| 22:37.07 | Madeye | strubbel and my problem is, i'm on swcred up computer, no browsering only IRC working ATM |
| 22:37.16 | strubbel | Madeye: i can't belive that...try without one |
| 22:37.30 | ble | db101 na... doesn't work... it suspends everything to disk, and i know there is gotta be lilo option to unsespend it... |
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| 22:37.48 | RedPenguin | I must be missing something. |
| 22:37.52 | paulswm | thought |
| 22:38.03 | Madeye | paulswm even ubuntu ? |
| 22:38.08 | RedPenguin | I installed ftape-sources and it seems to be a kernel module, but I can't seem to find its documentation. |
| 22:38.11 | nvz | RedPenguin: do you have a red penguin? |
| 22:38.16 | paulswm | Madeye: ubuntu isn't debian |
| 22:38.22 | RedPenguin | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/ftape |
| 22:38.49 | RedPenguin | Red = my favorite color, the color of the UNIX mascot Penguin = Tux = Linux. |
| 22:38.50 | caphuso | paulswm: i think we should put that in the /topic |
| 22:38.53 | nvz | RedPenguin: then yes, you are missing something. A red penguin. |
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| 22:38.56 | paulswm | Madeye: /topic |
| 22:39.02 | paulswm | caphuso: heh |
| 22:39.05 | caphuso | oh, wait, we did, but the morons aren't reading it |
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| 22:39.13 | Madeye | ah ok |
| 22:39.16 | paulswm | caphuso: now I get to use my suggestion again... |
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| 22:39.25 | paulswm | !badgerknoppix |
| 22:39.25 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
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| 22:39.27 | resiak | :D |
| 22:39.31 | ble | db101 and hybernation, suspending everything onto disk, and then poweroff. and later on restore states fter you boot again |
| 22:39.33 | skot | bah. that still didn't work. |
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| 22:39.35 | tarzeau | is it possible to make the topic blink? |
| 22:39.40 | nvz | heh |
| 22:39.42 | caphuso | tarzeau: no |
| 22:39.53 | nvz | caphuso: why not? doesnt IRC have color chars? |
| 22:39.54 | strubbel | is it mandatory that run-parts scripts exit zero? |
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| 22:39.57 | caphuso | i'd personally kick anyone trying it |
| 22:39.59 | skot | it told me all those were the newest version already. |
| 22:40.04 | nvz | hah |
| 22:40.10 | skot | still won't detect my video card. says it can't find any screens. |
| 22:40.12 | resiak | caphuso: Even if it meant the end of questions about Knoppix/Mepis/Ubuntu? |
| 22:40.13 | caphuso | plus, it wouldn't help anyways |
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| 22:40.40 | nvz | some people are just far too idealistic :P |
| 22:40.45 | harpoon | hi, i just made a netinstall CD but when I try to install it says it cant find a boot record, help plz :( |
| 22:40.52 | caphuso | if that bunch of brain damaged idiots doesn't read a blinking or a non blinking topic makes zero difference |
| 22:41.03 | tarzeau | harpoon: you did something wrong |
| 22:41.10 | chealer | echo /topic | wc -m : 421 |
| 22:41.18 | hool | blinktags is a capitol offence tho.. SO DONT DO IT! |
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| 22:41.30 | harpoon | i know that, but is there any common things people do |
| 22:41.31 | harpoon | ? |
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| 22:41.43 | paulswm | you could put the topic in flashing 48 point Roman with fireworks going off and topless dancing girls around it, and they still wouldn't read it |
| 22:41.44 | caphuso | harpoon: how did you burn the thing? |
| 22:41.45 | tarzeau | harpoon: what software did you burn it with? |
| 22:41.47 | kzar | the automagical config stuff for lirc module seems to have buggered up, thing is I dont really know about what irq or IO port, there a way to find that stuff out? |
| 22:41.59 | resiak | paulswm: The topless girls is the problem there. |
| 22:42.05 | caphuso | harpoon: and don't forget to mention anything about "extracting the .iso" or similar |
| 22:42.13 | harpoon | the standerd windows drag and drop |
| 22:42.16 | nvz | harpoon: a common problem is people put the ISO file on a data track. you dont put the file on a cd, you burn the cd from the file |
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| 22:42.24 | dmitry | tnx in advice, but my printer costs me less than this software :-) |
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| 22:42.29 | tarzeau | paulswm: you would chop the top off the girls? |
| 22:42.40 | chealer | dmitry: yeah, that's the crap. HP rules |
| 22:42.40 | caphuso | kzar: /proc/io* and /proc/interrupts |
| 22:42.44 | kzar | ok |
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| 22:43.07 | tarzeau | nvz: i've also seen people burn alpha iso when they want i386... |
| 22:43.10 | chealer | my mother bought a i550 if I remember right a few months ago. we asked for refund |
| 22:43.14 | nvz | tarzeau: heh |
| 22:43.39 | dmitry | if I knew that before ... |
| 22:43.40 | doublehp | chealer note: I have apache2 and php4 ... |
| 22:43.52 | skot | so can anyone help me get into X? |
| 22:44.08 | doublehp | skot: open it : <> |
| 22:44.10 | caphuso | skot: start by reading /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 22:44.11 | nvz | heh |
| 22:44.13 | elirips | hi people. anybody knows how to fix this: since my last or 2nd last apt-get upgrade my wlan is not working anymore: 'iwlist ath0 scan' -> 'ath0 Failed to read scan data : Resource temporarily unavailable'. before the upgrade it worked fine. hardware is okay, in win it works. any hints for me how to solve this? |
| 22:44.35 | tarzeau | elirips: sid? testing? unofficial stuff? |
| 22:44.44 | elirips | i am using debian testing, kernel 2.6.9 and the madwifi-drivers from cvs |
| 22:44.45 | paulswm | tarzeau: heh - when I lived in Reading (UK), there was a restaurant out in the country which lost its roof in a bad storm, and the manager put this huge sign in the parking lot which read "The Only Topless Restaurant in Berkshire" |
| 22:44.47 | tarzeau | (warranty void, if you use unofficial sources) |
| 22:45.05 | harpoon | hmm, i dont know what i need. http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ which one do i need to get? |
| 22:45.10 | chealer | doublehp: the filename was wrong, but the file gives no clue anyway :/ |
| 22:45.12 | tarzeau | paulswm: hah, literally |
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| 22:45.33 | websdale | harpoon: in windows you probably need to use something like "easyCD" or "Nero burning" & use a burn from image file option |
| 22:45.38 | resiak | harpoon: Do you really want Woody? |
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| 22:45.57 | harpoon | i dont know, i have never used linux before :( |
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| 22:46.21 | elirips | tarzeau: the problem occured after doing an apt-get upgrade, i did not change anything at the madwifi drivers. compiling the latest one doesn't help either. got reports from somebody else who also has this problem.. |
| 22:46.23 | resiak | harpoon: Then you want Sarge. |
| 22:46.31 | websdale | harpoon: you probably have the right file - the way you burnt it was wrong |
| 22:46.39 | resiak | !tell harpoon -about d-i |
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| 22:46.48 | resiak | websdale: He has a Woody iso if he got it from the URL he pasted. |
| 22:46.59 | resiak | harpoon: Then you want to do as websdale said about 15 lines back. |
| 22:47.43 | websdale | resiak: oh sorry |
| 22:47.58 | harpoon | right, so the iso file i downloaded, put that folder straight to the CD |
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| 22:48.52 | resiak | harpoon: Noooooo. You want the "burn CD from image" option in your CD burning program. The WinXP built-in can _not_ do what you want. |
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| 22:49.05 | cliechti | harpoon, if you insert the cd in your ocmputer and see a .iso file on it, you did not burn it correctly |
| 22:49.08 | pixelmonkey | I need serious fucking help, I fucked up so badly |
| 22:49.12 | pixelmonkey | I was in / on a machine |
| 22:49.14 | pixelmonkey | as root |
| 22:49.22 | pixelmonkey | and I ran rsync -avz remotedir ./ |
| 22:49.31 | pixelmonkey | thinking it would copy the directory here in a new dir |
| 22:49.35 | pixelmonkey | but instead it WIPED OUT / |
| 22:49.35 | resiak | pixelmonkey: Got your backups handy? |
| 22:49.40 | pixelmonkey | resiak: no... |
| 22:49.45 | resiak | !tell pixelmonkey -about enter |
| 22:49.56 | pixelmonkey | I am sorry I am in a frantic state |
| 22:49.58 | pixelmonkey | can anyone help me? |
| 22:50.03 | syntrx_ | pixelmonkey: You're SOL. |
| 22:50.07 | resiak | S'okay. You can't undelete, in all likelihood., |
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| 22:50.28 | resiak | pixelmonkey: _Always_ use --dry-run in future, and keep backups. |
| 22:50.39 | pixelmonkey | resiak: can any proprietary recovery tools help? |
| 22:50.46 | resiak | pixelmonkey: Google is your best bet here. |
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| 22:51.13 | paulswm | pixelmonkey: but whatever you do, don't write to the partition you lost |
| 22:51.18 | resiak | pixelmonkey: /msg dpkg undelete suggests that mc (Midnight Commander) can do undeleting, but I don't know for sure. |
| 22:51.26 | chealer | doublehp: it works here, I don't know why it doesn't at your place |
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| 22:52.32 | doublehp | chealer: ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/ | grep php |
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| 22:53.24 | paulswm | pixelmonkey: there may be something in the linux howtos, but it depends on the filesystem |
| 22:53.25 | chealer | php4.conf, php4.load |
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| 22:53.53 | db101 | any bash scripters here? |
| 22:53.54 | skot | well /var/log/xfree86.0.log does not exist |
| 22:54.00 | resiak | db101: #bash |
| 22:54.03 | skot | and i tried changing the 0 to an O |
| 22:54.05 | skot | and the l to an L |
| 22:54.06 | paulswm | db101: lots, prolly |
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| 22:54.17 | resiak | skot: Do you have X installed, dare I ask? |
| 22:54.28 | dabreegster | I've been finding lots of cool programs in RPM format that aren't on Debian. Converting RPMs to DEBs with alien is a bit slow. I was wondering if there was an archive of RPM programs in DEB format, perhaps with a Packages file so I can use APT |
| 22:54.39 | doublehp | chealer: locate php4 | grep so |
| 22:55.04 | skot | yes |
| 22:55.10 | skot | during installation i selected it specifically |
| 22:55.15 | skot | in fact |
| 22:55.21 | elnovato | ive installed debian on a toshiba a60.. seems im the first one... |
| 22:55.26 | resiak | skot: Okay, sorry. Had to check. You'd be surprised how few do. |
| 22:55.30 | resiak | elnovato: You lie. |
| 22:55.33 | skot | i installed everything, just to be certain this time around (this is my 3rd or 4th time trying to install debian) |
| 22:55.54 | elnovato | resiak: i swear for my irish grandma |
| 22:55.54 | skot | yeah... i knew what x was so i knew to put a mark by it to install it. |
| 22:56.03 | resiak | elnovato: I have an A60 under my fingers. |
| 22:56.20 | elnovato | oh... then im the second one |
| 22:56.21 | paulswm | !win resiak |
| 22:56.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 22:56.42 | resiak | skot: I presume that you've tried using the vesa driver? |
| 22:56.51 | elnovato | hows the performance resiak? |
| 22:56.56 | resiak | !lose me |
| 22:56.56 | dpkg | resiak: You Lose. |
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| 22:57.01 | resiak | I lied. It's an A50. |
| 22:57.03 | skot | i don't know what that is, so, no. |
| 22:57.08 | elnovato | !win elnovato |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, elnovato! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 22:57.10 | resiak | skot: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:57.14 | skot | i went through the driver list and my video card isn't in it |
| 22:57.19 | resiak | skot: Try vesa |
| 22:57.27 | elnovato | soo im the first one |
| 22:57.29 | doublehp | chealer rgrep -nri LoadModule /etc/apache2/* | grep php |
| 22:57.29 | paulswm | !beat resiak for not knowing what computer he has |
| 22:57.30 | skot | it said that that wasn't a problem so i just hit enter and manually set the amount of ram etc. |
| 22:57.30 | z1ng3r | What's a "corrupt manflag" and how can I get past it to make apt-get -f install work? |
| 22:57.43 | resiak | paulswm: Hey, the model number doesn't affect me day-to-day... |
| 22:57.51 | paulswm | resiak: :-D |
| 22:57.56 | karsten | memic: WRT adsl: NFC |
| 22:58.03 | skot | i tried the dpkg-reconfigure in normal and as root and it said there was no such command |
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| 22:58.18 | resiak | skot: You need to run it as root. Try choosing "vesa" at the first screen. |
| 22:58.29 | skot | is vesa in the list of drivers in xf86config? |
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| 22:58.37 | elnovato | yes skotish |
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| 22:58.40 | resiak | skot: Don't edit the file manually. |
| 22:58.52 | resiak | skot: Use d-r x-x. |
| 22:58.52 | karsten | memic: Um. Not you. |
| 22:58.55 | skot | i wouldn't even know what to edit it with manually. |
| 22:59.28 | skot | i'll look for d-r and x-x next time i run xf86config |
| 22:59.38 | mirak | hi |
| 22:59.47 | skot | i guess they're drivers? |
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| 22:59.54 | mirak | does debian receive big donations from big companies ? |
| 22:59.57 | paulswm | sigh |
| 23:00.00 | resiak | skot: Noooo.... |
| 23:00.02 | resiak | !drxx |
| 23:00.02 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:00.06 | chealer | doublehp: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so, /usr/lib/libswigphp4-1.3.22.so |
| 23:00.15 | skot | ah. |
| 23:00.19 | resiak | skot: I meant choose the "vesa" driver from within dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:00.21 | Nurbs | what does rotate the log files in /var/log such as kern.log (kern.log.0, kern.log.1.gz, ...), mail.log, messages, syslog etc.? I can't find anything in the logrotate configuration... does syslogd do it? |
| 23:00.33 | doublehp | chealer dpkg -S libphp4.so |
| 23:00.42 | skot | the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 did not work. |
| 23:00.43 | chealer | doublehp: /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load:1:LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so, /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.load:1:LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 23:00.51 | chealer | skot: are you root?% |
| 23:01.15 | resiak | !drxx =~ s/86/86 # Run it as root!/ |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
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| 23:02.03 | chealer | doublehp: libapache2-mod-php4: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
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| 23:03.00 | Nurbs | oh, it's savelog, hmm |
| 23:03.28 | doublehp | chealer: ah !!!! that one looks good ! |
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| 23:03.48 | doublehp | chealer: I had libapache-mod-php4 ... not the '2' |
| 23:03.57 | chealer | hah |
| 23:04.16 | chealer | I asked you 1 time after libapache[1], you must not have noticed |
| 23:04.34 | gurubie | Bootsplash error on install is for /boot.orig. How do I fix this? |
| 23:04.36 | doublehp | chealer: I copied past you ... you did not write the 2 |
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| 23:05.04 | rejacomad | what can I use in debian to duplicate a music CD ? |
| 23:05.23 | gurubie | rejacomad: k3b |
| 23:05.29 | doublehp | chealer: I would to report a bug about that .... but I m not sure the maintainer can change the deps to solve my problem ... |
| 23:05.44 | rejacomad | gurubie : is there any command line tool for that ? |
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| 23:06.27 | cliechti | rejacomad, readcd, cdrecord |
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| 23:06.35 | resiak | doublehp: Uh, well, people still use apache1. There's no bug... |
| 23:06.38 | rejacomad | cliechti thanks |
| 23:06.42 | gurubie | Anyone need ndiswrapper modules for 2.6.10-1-k7 ? So you don't have to compile. |
| 23:06.43 | chealer | doublehp: I asked you about libapache-mod-php4 first, then libapache2-mod-php4, but should have done something so you know it was not the same |
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| 23:07.00 | doublehp | resiak: it becomes an issue when you dont have apache (1) at all |
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| 23:07.06 | afaik | hey, how can I restart sshd on a freshly installed sid box? |
| 23:07.14 | afaik | I thought it was inetd sshd restart? |
| 23:07.21 | afaik | or just sshd restart |
| 23:07.28 | cliechti | afaik, /etc/init.d/shh restart |
| 23:07.35 | streuner | afaik: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 23:07.37 | setnf | heya! got one problem i try install xchat and got this problem: xchat: relocation error: /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 what i need for solve it ? |
| 23:07.40 | resiak | doublehp: libapache-mod-php4 depends on apache-common. |
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| 23:08.09 | setnf | i already reinstall libxft and nothing.. |
| 23:08.15 | setnf | plz i need solve it. |
| 23:08.34 | resiak | setnf: Did you install xchat through apt? |
| 23:08.43 | nitrocks | in samba.. i'm trying to change a user's home directory from \\weezle\eric to \\weezle\eric\samba.. when i use the command pdbedit -u eric -h "\\\\weezle\eric\samba" i get no results.. any ideas? |
| 23:08.46 | setnf | resiak yes.. |
| 23:08.54 | resiak | setnf: BTS? |
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| 23:08.59 | setnf | and .tar.gz i got the same problem |
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| 23:09.06 | setnf | resiak what is BTS ? |
| 23:09.10 | resiak | !bts |
| 23:09.10 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 23:09.56 | teppi | morning |
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| 23:09.59 | cliechti | nitrocks, be careful with "\" in the shell... \e != \\e |
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| 23:10.26 | gurubie | What a royal PITA but I have them (ndiswrapper module matching the deb packs available 2.6.10-1-k7 for AMD) Get your wireless card working! |
| 23:10.51 | doublehp | resiak: the problem is that libapache-mod-php4 Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.33), but apache-common 1.3.29.0.2-4.0.ipv6.r1 Replaces: apache (<= 1.3.1-1) .... this way ... it is possible to have php4 with libapache-mod-php4 and apache2 without apache(1) .... that bunch does not work .... |
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| 23:11.22 | nitrocks | clie: i've tried fooling around with the slashes to no avail.. any other suggestions? |
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| 23:12.06 | cliechti | nitrocks, many linux apps also allow / instead of \\ for smb paths |
| 23:12.14 | chealer | what's so special about printing in firefox? my printer name is HP@:64 (instead of just HP). plus printing is a4 by default despite /etc/papersize, and apparently even setting to hp-us-government-letter prints broken stuff |
| 23:12.18 | setnf | resiak there inst nothing about it ... what i need do ? |
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| 23:13.05 | resiak | doublehp: Fair enough. To be fair, it only suggests apache[1], rather than depending on it. There's almost certainly a good reason for it.. |
| 23:13.11 | ThinkingGuy | How long is each release of Debian "supported?" In other words, if I install Debian 3.0, how long can I count on security updates being made available for it? |
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| 23:13.32 | chealer | setnf: google |
| 23:13.39 | nitrocks | i've tried different commands with pdbedit.. such as using the -f flag to change the full name, and it still doesnt change it |
| 23:13.53 | chealer | ThinkingGuy: about one year after next stable |
| 23:13.57 | setnf | chealer i already got in on 5 pages found.. |
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| 23:14.16 | ThinkingGuy | Thanks! |
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| 23:14.46 | gilles | what is the tool that can manage the touchpad ? |
| 23:15.00 | gilles | is there a nice toolthat can do it ? |
| 23:15.11 | veleno | i installed jetty from dselect. where do I make pointing JETTY_HOME env variable ? |
| 23:15.18 | chealer | setnf: bug 226286 |
| 23:15.39 | setnf | chealer where can i see it ? |
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| 23:16.03 | setnf | gotta |
| 23:16.05 | cubicool | Anyone here have any reccomendations on what crypto method to use on a few partitions I'm setting up w/ dm_crypt? I have all of them modularized, I just don't know much about the different methods and whats best... |
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| 23:16.37 | cubicool | anubis.ko "sounds" cool :) |
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| 23:17.31 | z1ng3r | Hey, guys- I'm getting an error message saying "update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-session-manager corrupt: manflag" when I apt-get -f install How o I get past this? |
| 23:17.38 | kb | I using testing, and installed a kernel-image on my laptop. I wanna use powernowd to control cpu-scaling. but im getting per-cpu data seek errors. |
| 23:17.46 | kb | Any suggestions on this topic? |
| 23:17.55 | setnf | chealer "Hi, I just uploaded 2.0.7 to unstable and it works fine, furthermore |
| 23:17.55 | setnf | this bug was not reproducible, therefore I'm now closing it. |
| 23:17.55 | setnf | " i didnt understand it.. |
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| 23:18.19 | gurubie | Na na nah freakin' boo boo to you who said, it couldn't be done :) I installed deb Sarge and built it up nice (with alot of work) and friendly LIKE mepis (recomended) AND what's more I also seperately converted mepis 2004.6 to Debian Sid with 99% sucess (the other 1% doesn't matter much). It not easy being a geek {'!'} |
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| 23:18.38 | resiak | gurubie: You _what_ now? |
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| 23:18.53 | Covener | gurubie: i must be missing the accomplishment there |
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| 23:19.11 | gurubie | Covener: It like the mountain... |
| 23:19.13 | resiak | gurubie: Making Sarge nice is not an effort. And your mepis->sid is still not Debian, and we still won't support it, so. |
| 23:19.20 | chealer | setnf: the package maintainer couldn't reproduce the bug, therefore he thought it was a user error and closed the bug |
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| 23:19.29 | luite | is there an unrar program for linux that supports rar 3.x archives and doesn't crash as often as unrar-nonfree? |
| 23:19.31 | gurubie | resiak: I fully agree. |
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| 23:20.06 | guru | Package nvidia-kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:20.09 | guru | what does that mean? |
| 23:20.16 | resiak | gurubie: So what's your accomplishment? :) |
| 23:20.16 | setnf | chealer but i install it today then i cant use xchat on my debian 3.1 unstable ? |
| 23:20.24 | chealer | guru: where do you get that? |
| 23:20.25 | gurubie | Guess which on I use. Debian! (and there was much rejoicing) |
| 23:20.26 | RedPenguin | I can't remember, does the irssi-text that comes with Debian, support SSL? |
| 23:20.32 | bucky | kb, have you looked into cpudyn ? |
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| 23:20.46 | resiak | RedPenguin: Yes. |
| 23:20.52 | guru | chealer: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:20.55 | resiak | RedPenguin: /help connect |
| 23:21.25 | chealer | guru: do you have non-free sources? |
| 23:21.27 | guru | yes |
| 23:21.48 | setnf | chealer but i install it today then cant i use xchat on my debian 3.1 unstable ? |
| 23:21.56 | resiak | !tell guru about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:22.18 | chealer | setnf: just wait a minute |
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| 23:22.18 | RedPenguin | I know the command, it's just, some irssis, just doesn't seem to support SSL. |
| 23:22.18 | setnf | chealer ok. thanks |
| 23:22.18 | resiak | !tell setnf -about repeat |
| 23:22.21 | resiak | RedPenguin: Yeah, well this one does, as far as I know :) |
| 23:22.27 | inetd | luite: try http://www.rarlab.com/ |
| 23:22.32 | guru | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 23:22.47 | RedPenguin | My friend runs Debian, and his irssi doesn't support SSL if I remember, he must have installed a weird irssi, or maybe from source. |
| 23:22.56 | resiak | guru: You now need unstable sources for nvidia... |
| 23:22.59 | nedko | i have patch for debian fam package that prevents fam from accessing some filesystems (locking cdrom, causing autofs to be mounted), is anyone interested ? |
| 23:23.10 | resiak | nedko: Contact the maintainer. |
| 23:23.13 | guru | resiak: since when? |
| 23:23.24 | guru | when i installed sarge ~2 months ago i didn't |
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| 23:23.27 | resiak | RedPenguin: Oh, to be honest I don't know, because I've never tried, but I can't see why it would be taken out... |
| 23:23.28 | nedko | resiak: he does not respond |
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| 23:23.32 | resiak | guru: It does now, it would appear. |
| 23:23.38 | nedko | resiak: i waited for a week |
| 23:23.39 | chealer | nedko: maybe ask on #debian-devel |
| 23:23.53 | guru | so simply add "unstable sid" to my sources? |
| 23:23.57 | nedko | chealer: what to ask ? |
| 23:24.07 | chealer | well the same thing you asked here |
| 23:24.09 | RedPenguin | I guess it isn't. |
| 23:24.13 | nedko | oki |
| 23:24.18 | RedPenguin | For /server -ssl, it says unknown option ssl. |
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| 23:24.48 | kb | Is there a way to disable hotplug? |
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| 23:25.02 | RedPenguin | For some odd reason, I find it is harder to install a tape drive on Linux, then I thought. |
| 23:25.03 | chealer | nedko: and if you're bounced, tell me :) |
| 23:25.06 | caphuso | kb: apt-get remove hotplug |
| 23:25.18 | resiak | RedPenguin: Mine recognises -ssl; I've just checkted. |
| 23:25.18 | bpence | anyone familiar with printing in debian and X? |
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| 23:25.21 | z1ng3r | I'm still getting an "update-alternatives: internal error" reporting "corrupt: manflag" during apt-get -f install. How do I get rid of it? |
| 23:25.28 | chealer | setnf: first why are you using unstable? |
| 23:25.33 | RedPenguin | I did, apt-get install irssi-text. |
| 23:25.36 | RedPenguin | Is that what you did? |
| 23:25.44 | resiak | RedPenguin: Yes. I'm on testing, fyi. |
| 23:25.57 | setnf | chealer stable dont works fine with me like libc6... |
| 23:26.07 | setnf | then works fine with unstable... |
| 23:26.12 | RedPenguin | This could be why. |
| 23:26.14 | gurubie | resiak: Since you asked; I substantiated the fact that mepis (obviously nothing without Debian) proves the new Sarge installer (great and improved as it is) is still overly time consuming and that need not be the case. Think about it. Submitted respectfully. |
| 23:26.16 | RedPenguin | "The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 23:26.17 | RedPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.17 | RedPenguin | " |
| 23:26.20 | resiak | RedPenguin: Ah. |
| 23:26.21 | pipeline | z1ng3r: Sounds like disk corruption |
| 23:26.28 | chealer | setnf: testing is a VERY better alternative to unstable |
| 23:26.29 | helloyo | can you install rpms on debian? (i just want to install the one if possible) |
| 23:26.36 | resiak | gurubie: I didn't understand that that was what you said, sorry. |
| 23:26.41 | resiak | helloyo: apt-cache show alien |
| 23:26.42 | setnf | chealer how can i change it ? |
| 23:26.48 | guru | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 23:26.52 | z1ng3r | pipeline: fsck doesn't seem to think so. |
| 23:26.53 | guru | resiak: does that line look right? |
| 23:26.56 | chealer | setnf: reinstallling the system, mostly :/ |
| 23:27.08 | setnf | chealer need i reinstall the system ? |
| 23:27.16 | resiak | guru: As I said, the nvidia packages are now only in unstable... |
| 23:27.16 | setnf | format etc.. ? |
| 23:27.21 | raid5 | bpence, i want to get my printer to work with linux aswell :( so far no luck |
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| 23:27.36 | pipeline | z1ng3r: fsck only makes the filesystem mountable. It can't miraculously fix corruption that's already happened :( |
| 23:27.38 | chealer | setnf: there's no way to downgrade |
| 23:27.43 | resiak | setnf: Meh, just change your sources.list to refer to testing rather than unstable, apt-get update, and wait for Sarge to catch up. |
| 23:27.57 | guru | so s/testing/unstable? |
| 23:28.06 | guru | i'm not 100% familiar with the apt sources file |
| 23:28.09 | z1ng3r | pipeline: no, but i does clean corrupted files out of the way (puts them in lost+found). |
| 23:28.10 | setnf | ok i ll try again |
| 23:28.12 | chealer | no. http://debian.org/releases |
| 23:28.13 | pipeline | setnf: Downgrading is extremely unsafe |
| 23:28.25 | resiak | guru: Basically. But the point is that you won't actually have downgraded, so you're fairly stuck on unstable... |
| 23:28.28 | setnf | yes pipeline ok |
| 23:28.30 | pipeline | z1ng3r: fsck is an emergency, it doesn't detect all problems. |
| 23:28.32 | setnf | thanks ppl ;) |
| 23:28.34 | setnf | i ll try |
| 23:28.35 | setnf | cya |
| 23:28.40 | Invisible_Optiks | I just did a cat /etc/passwd and saw a user named irc. Ummm, what's that about? I don't remember putting it there or installing any IRC stuff on this box. (Sarge) |
| 23:28.50 | z1ng3r | pipeline: So the question remains- how can I get past this problem being reported by apt-get? |
| 23:28.54 | RedPenguin | Isn't there a file called /etc/apt-get.sources? |
| 23:28.56 | guru | resiak: this shouldn't present a problem should it? |
| 23:28.57 | pipeline | z1ng3r: Try dpkg --audit |
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| 23:29.04 | RedPenguin | I mean, the one you tell apt-get, your sources. |
| 23:29.05 | Covener | guru: you setup your debian system to look like some other system, then did the reverse -- that shows something about the installer taking too long? |
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| 23:29.19 | Covener | gurubie: ^^ (sorry guru) |
| 23:29.24 | chealer | RedPenguin: sources.list |
| 23:29.30 | RedPenguin | Oh yeah. |
| 23:29.39 | RedPenguin | Damn, I am too used to typing emerge. |
| 23:29.43 | resiak | guru: Well, it presents a problem since if you're using testing sources, you can't apt-get the nvid |
| 23:29.49 | guru | Covener: heh, had me confused for a minute |
| 23:29.50 | resiak | guru: ...ia packages. |
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| 23:30.18 | slocate | who cares for a game of xpilot??? |
| 23:30.24 | guru | resiak: so switching from testing to unstable should be fine then? |
| 23:30.43 | resiak | guru: Nooooooo. |
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| 23:30.52 | gurubie | Now if we could only have "pure" or "true" Debian, if you will, for i386 without the time lost, then that would be a step up. |
| 23:31.24 | guru | resiak: ok, i guess i am confused as to what to do |
| 23:31.49 | resiak | guru: I'm afraid I'm too tired to explain how you do this, but what you have to do is to have both sets of sources in your sources.list, but set apt to only use unstable for the nvidia packages. |
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| 23:31.55 | Covener | gurubie: how long does it take you to run through the installer? |
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| 23:32.12 | resiak | gurubie: d-i takes, well, minutes... |
| 23:32.22 | JoeGreco | where can i read on how to install qmail on sarge? |
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| 23:32.31 | guru | resiak: would you mind pointing me to some documentation on how to do this? (no sense in wasting your time if there's something i can read about it) |
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| 23:32.37 | chealer | z1ng3r: there are some occurences on google |
| 23:32.40 | RedPenguin | I don't get what I am doing wrong. |
| 23:32.40 | resiak | !tell JoeGreco about qmail |
| 23:32.50 | Xemacs | resiak, its called pining, there is good documentation in newbiedocs |
| 23:32.54 | RedPenguin | I am using irssi-text but when I use /server -ssl, it doesn't like it. |
| 23:33.02 | resiak | Xemacs: You could have just told guru that... |
| 23:33.09 | guru | RedPenguin: irssi has a very decent manpage |
| 23:33.16 | guru | it also has a great help system |
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| 23:33.23 | z1ng3r | pipeline: Okay... I'm trying to dpkg -i xfce4-session and it's reporting after the unpacking activity that update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-session-manager corrupt: manflag" |
| 23:33.28 | resiak | Xemacs: ...and I know not this newbiedocs of which you speak. |
| 23:33.42 | resiak | !tell guru -about pinning |
| 23:33.56 | RedPenguin | Well I know it has a help system. |
| 23:34.02 | resiak | guru: Be careful - don't accidentally "upgrade" to sid. |
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| 23:34.03 | Xemacs | guru, resiak newbie.sourceforge.net or i think there is apt package |
| 23:34.04 | z1ng3r | chealer: I *always* google first, because I really detest the "does it have gas in it?" line of questioning. |
| 23:34.25 | guru | resiak: thanks |
| 23:34.25 | z1ng3r | Chealer: if google had been helpful, I wouldn't be here. |
| 23:34.34 | pipeline | z1ng3r: No, no, no. With nothing else, just hit "dpkg --audit" |
| 23:34.39 | helloyo | if i just installed printer drivers, where would they be? or how do i use them? |
| 23:34.40 | pipeline | z1ng3r: It should give you SOMETHING more informative. |
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| 23:35.00 | greg_work | I have a linux box with two nic's, one is connected to an internal network (which has internet access via NAT gateway), and the other has a public IP, configured via dhcp. route shows two default gateways, and I can't access the internet .. what I want to do is have it access local IP's by eth0, and anything else by eth1 |
| 23:35.05 | Xemacs | helloyo, dpkg -L package name |
| 23:35.06 | raid5 | has anyone tried printing in linux ? if so whats the quality like? |
| 23:35.11 | greg_work | how do i set that up? |
| 23:35.20 | raid5 | compared to printing in windows |
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| 23:35.27 | caphuso | raid5: depends on the printer |
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| 23:35.58 | z1ng3r | pipeline: I did that. It told me what pieces were screwed and to run dpkg --configure, but *that's* where the problem is (in configure). |
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| 23:36.08 | raid5 | caphuso, say its a HP LasterJet 5L or something |
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| 23:36.14 | caphuso | raid5: same |
| 23:36.17 | weirdo2000 | hello all |
| 23:36.20 | zeo33x | i have a problem, a shell script calls a perl script. i want to quote my argument so $ARGV will know how to split. however any quote i pass to the shell script is removed .. and literal quoting \" or \' will pass the literal \" to perl which see arg[3] as all" instead of "make all" is there a way out of this? |
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| 23:36.32 | helloyo | i'm trying to print onto a network printer, but i haven't managed to so far |
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| 23:37.16 | weirdo2000 | I have a simple question sorry im very ignorant but how the hell do I logout from window maker? |
| 23:37.18 | RedPenguin | I see why it doesn't like -ssl. |
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| 23:37.32 | RedPenguin | I looked on a page on debian.org, and it didn't install some of the depend ons. |
| 23:37.34 | raid5 | caphuso, can giv me a hand to set it up please? I cant even find the ppd file for it |
| 23:37.44 | caphuso | raid5: linux-printing.org |
| 23:37.44 | RedPenguin | libssl-dev to be exact. |
| 23:37.48 | chealer | z1ng3r: http://www.archivum.info/debian-bugs-dist.lists.debian.org/2005-01/msg04290.html is a resolved case |
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| 23:38.05 | caphuso | err, linuxprinting.org |
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| 23:38.26 | gurubie | Covener: Yes that nice and I promote it but how lond deos it then take you to finish your desktop? Trailer, wireless, bootscreen, 3D, Java, Tuner, New kernel? |
| 23:38.52 | RedPenguin | I like printers, they are like one of the easiest pieces of hardware to install on most OSes. |
| 23:39.03 | RedPenguin | Though, keyboards, are probably the most easiest. |
| 23:39.09 | caphuso | RedPenguin: if they're decent printers |
| 23:39.14 | resiak | weirdo2000: Click the desktop with one of the buttons (I fogret which) and find the Exit Session option. |
| 23:39.22 | RedPenguin | Yeah. |
| 23:39.23 | pipeline | Redpenguin: Heh, odd, then, that keyboards are among the shittiest thing to write portable drivers for |
| 23:39.24 | palli | How do i exit X on Debian , ctrl +alt +bkspace just brings me to the logon screen |
| 23:39.34 | doub | zeo33x: this is expected behavior: any shell quoting will group the contents as 1 parameter to argv, and remove the quotes |
| 23:39.36 | pipeline | RedPenguin: If I had it my way, printers would still be ethernet and postscript, for ease of use :P |
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| 23:39.41 | caphuso | palli: /etc/init.d/yourdm stop |
| 23:39.46 | weirdo2000 | Thanks Resiak...You are a life saver |
| 23:39.46 | pipeline | palli: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" |
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| 23:39.52 | z1ng3r | chealer: Yow. That did it. I suppose you found it in google. |
| 23:39.55 | directhex | palli, which logon manager do you use? /etc/init.d/*dm stop. gdm, for example |
| 23:40.01 | weirdo2000 | forgive my ignorance |
| 23:40.01 | doub | zeo33x: if you want to do otherwise, quote eache parameter separately |
| 23:40.02 | palli | kde |
| 23:40.02 | pipeline | Stoi: Bad move. Don't IRC as root. |
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| 23:40.03 | rafx | heh |
| 23:40.05 | RedPenguin | I wouldn't mind my printer being ethernet. |
| 23:40.08 | directhex | palli, don't use nvidia-installer. |
| 23:40.15 | directhex | palli, kdm i expect then |
| 23:40.16 | weirdo2000 | bye yall take care |
| 23:40.20 | palli | yep |
| 23:40.22 | gurubie | I suppose I'm just in favor of a automated Desktop install (or real, not based on version) of testing for Newbies. |
| 23:40.23 | RedPenguin | Though, I would have to figure out a way to plug it into my router, since I have 4 machines, and it is a four port router. |
| 23:40.25 | pipeline | RedPenguin: Believe it or not, there was a time when virtually all printers were just ethernet and postscript. Print from any OS to any printer without any bullshit in between. |
| 23:40.28 | AlexW | morning |
| 23:40.43 | m0r3 | night here :>) |
| 23:40.51 | teppi | morning |
| 23:40.53 | paulswm | 1840 here |
| 23:40.57 | z1ng3r | chealer and pipeline: Thanks for the assist. It's fixed. (I'm embarrased.) |
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| 23:41.11 | RedPenguin | paulswm, let me guess, EST in US? |
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| 23:41.21 | RedPenguin | T.R. being Token Ring. |
| 23:41.22 | paulswm | !win RedPenguin |
| 23:41.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, RedPenguin! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 23:41.28 | directhex | palli, so /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 23:41.34 | directhex | palli, and don't use nvidia-installer. |
| 23:41.52 | pipeline | RedPenguin: No; Token Ring was so IBM specific, if you had a token ring printer, it expected an IBM terminal controller on the other end, IIRC. |
| 23:41.54 | RedPenguin | I would much rather install a keyboard then configure X. |
| 23:42.05 | m0r3 | luck man |
| 23:42.08 | rafx | Tolkien Ring (to bind them all) |
| 23:42.09 | m0r3 | nice place |
| 23:42.10 | palli | yes I won't |
| 23:42.12 | m0r3 | hot |
| 23:42.17 | pipeline | RedPenguin: Have you ever looked at the wscons code in BSD? hideous, frightening stuff. |
| 23:42.18 | m0r3 | nice girls ... lol |
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| 23:42.45 | gurubie | I forgot, what was the reason Kanotix does NOT provide real Debain? |
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| 23:43.04 | directhex | gurubie, because it's nothing like debian? |
| 23:43.15 | directhex | gurubie, runlevels, configurations, lots of packages, etc? |
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| 23:43.22 | paulswm | gurubie: the _only_ "real debian" is when one does a debian inatall |
| 23:43.22 | jms | Where can I find a good guide for setting up an IDE DVD burner on Debian? |
| 23:43.29 | paulswm | install |
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| 23:43.35 | backblue | what its the binary to configure the timeout for turning of the display in terminal? |
| 23:43.44 | doub | zeo33x: if you escape the quotes, these won't be interpreted by the shell, so you'll end with separate args, including quotes. one solution would be to quote, and inside put escaped quotes |
| 23:43.49 | Covener | jms: should require no setup -- growisofs from dvd+rw-tools and make sure it's not claimed by ide-scsi |
| 23:43.56 | rafx | are Debbie and Ian still active in DebIan? |
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| 23:44.18 | doub | zeo33x: for ex : script.pl "\"a long arg\"" |
| 23:44.22 | helloyo | what format should i print driver be? i have installed some print drivers, and in the printing menu in kde i don't know which file to select |
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| 23:44.39 | jms | Covener: my knowledge is starting from scratch.... what is growisofs from dvd+rw-tools? |
| 23:44.39 | gurubie | directhex: Thank you. paulswm: Do believe a live install from CD could not provide the same thing? |
| 23:44.40 | elnovato | someday the config linux files will be in XML ? |
| 23:44.49 | paulswm | rafx: I didn't think Ian had been active for quite a while |
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| 23:45.04 | directhex | gurubie, debian is nothing like a kanotix install. |
| 23:45.06 | Covener | jms: a command and a package respectively. should be plenty to get you started in docs/google |
| 23:45.09 | resiak | elnovato: Some might be, some might not. XML is not the answer to all. |
| 23:45.10 | cliechti | elnovato, lets hope never... |
| 23:45.23 | kn0t | I'm having a very weird problem... |
| 23:45.24 | caphuso | elnovato: not until gnome and kde achieve over world domination |
| 23:45.26 | paulswm | gurubie: with which part of "the _only_ "real debian" is when one does a debian install" are you having difficulty? |
| 23:45.33 | RedPenguin | I have to be missing something easy, that my irssi-text doesn't like SSL> |
| 23:45.35 | caphuso | s/over // |
| 23:45.38 | jms | Covener: ok, thanks, I'll go look those up |
| 23:45.44 | resiak | paulswm: The part where you should have escaped your nested quotes ;-) |
| 23:45.49 | kn0t | I must have installed something because my sound suddently stopped working... |
| 23:45.52 | pipeline | elnovato: Heh, probably not. The fact that sendmail still exists suggests that configuration formats will only diverge MORE in the future. |
| 23:46.02 | gurubie | directhex: Ageed. Kanotix claims to provide tha same result though. It doesn't. |
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| 23:46.07 | caphuso | RedPenguin: ldd the binary and check if it's linked against libssl |
| 23:46.18 | paulswm | resiak: I just _knew_ some smartass was going to say that, as soon as I hit enter :> |
| 23:46.29 | pipeline | elnovato: Besides, people have tried xml-like systems for centralized configuration in the past (e.g. netInfo, NIS) -- you will note that Solaris and NeXTstep have abandoned those schemes. |
| 23:46.31 | elnovato | gnomes peeps are like me drunks |
| 23:46.32 | mush | why do we keep pretending that sarge is going to be released? |
| 23:46.51 | caphuso | mush: stop trolling |
| 23:46.52 | kn0t | I looked at /dev/dsp [ ls -l /dev/dsp ] and I get this: [ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2005-01-25 22:29 /dev/dsp ] |
| 23:46.52 | Invisible_Optiks | mush: released? |
| 23:47.00 | elnovato | right pipeline |
| 23:47.01 | Invisible_Optiks | mush:like to stable |
| 23:47.01 | gurubie | paulswm: Are you avoiding the question or am I to guess you mean a live CD can not provide the same outcome? |
| 23:47.23 | Newport | hi i builkt a new kern and installed it using "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.801252005pushti_20050125_i386.deb" but it doesnt boot... |
| 23:47.28 | mush | caphuso: i'm not trolling, i'm lamenting |
| 23:47.28 | gurubie | ...and I'm talikng about "real" |
| 23:47.37 | kn0t | I run alsaconf several times, and didnt' get fixed, so I just delted it and did "MAKEDEV audio"... but it doesn't create /dev/dsp anymore... |
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| 23:47.39 | gilles | i have an ntfs partition, i can't write on it from linux, so can i convert it into ext3 (any better?) without losing all the datas that are on it ? |
| 23:47.44 | kn0t | any help, please? |
| 23:47.44 | directhex | gurubie, a 'livecd' can run debootstrap, which can lead to a working debian installation. but using $live_cd's install-to-disk function installs that to disk, not debian |
| 23:47.47 | pipeline | gilles: Yes but no. |
| 23:47.55 | Covener | gilles: nope, gotta copy out / format / copy in |
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| 23:47.55 | paulswm | gurubie: I have said what I have said, I am not interested in pursuing it futher. I have found you an argument; I am not obliged to find you an understanding. |
| 23:47.56 | Newport | i dont see a newly built or intalled initrd.img, nor in grubs menu.lst |
| 23:47.58 | gurubie | ...debian from a theoretical Live CD. |
| 23:48.00 | pipeline | gilles: Yes, there are tools that will try. |
| 23:48.06 | pipeline | gilles: But there's a very good chance that you'll lose data |
| 23:48.15 | Newport | did i miss a step? |
| 23:48.24 | gilles | pipeline: thanks |
| 23:48.33 | pipeline | gilles: You can go ahead and look at fips and partition magic, or even try doing it by hand, but it's quite likely that you'll lose a lot of stuff :| |
| 23:48.51 | Covener | gurubie: for the install? or just for having a live cd? |
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| 23:49.29 | RedPenguin | Not linked against libssl. |
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| 23:50.12 | gurubie | Is your argument then that a (new) live CD from Debian could not provide the same end install? |
| 23:50.21 | tobehz | linxu has ntfs write support |
| 23:50.28 | tobehz | why would you try to convert anything? |
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| 23:50.34 | tobehz | linux* |
| 23:50.37 | pipeline | tobehz: Linux NTFS write support is limited in annoying ways |
| 23:50.44 | paulswm | gurubie: if it were a live CD from debian, than it would be a "real debian install", jesus |
| 23:50.47 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:50.50 | tobehz | it works fine thus far |
| 23:50.50 | pipeline | tobehz: Also, NTFS is a pretty shitty filesystem with the default NT4 and NT5 settings. |
| 23:50.52 | gurubie | ...thoeretical (to be clear) AFAIK Debian Live CD. |
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| 23:51.04 | pipeline | gurubie: As long as it's theoretical, it's irrelevant. |
| 23:51.09 | tobehz | pipeline: it's still easier to read and make a copy onto a ext3 fs |
| 23:51.14 | Newport | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.18 | tobehz | than to be attempting conversion |
| 23:51.30 | pipeline | tobehz: Yes, but not everyone has tapes or disks to copy things onto :( |
| 23:51.30 | paulswm | !beer resiak |
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| 23:51.52 | Covener | Newport: you supply the initrd option to make-kpkg? |
| 23:51.55 | tobehz | :> |
| 23:51.56 | JoeGreco | where is a good place to read about setting up postfix? the postfix website docs are a little confusing.. im trying to setup virtual domains with non-unix accounts |
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| 23:52.12 | gurubie | Well paulswm that was my point, thank you. Any group working on that. Benifit = faster install and winding up with "real" debian, not debian "based". |
| 23:52.25 | RedPenguin | Well, being that it is not linked to libssl, the only thing left to do, is figure out how to link it. |
| 23:52.55 | jms | Covener: what did you mean when you said , 'make sure it's not claimed by ide-scsi' when answering my dvd burner question? Can i use the dvd burner without scsi emulation? |
| 23:53.19 | directhex | gurubie, have you ever installed debian using the sarge installer? |
| 23:53.23 | Covener | jms: yes, you want to use it without scsi emulation. |
| 23:53.38 | gurubie | directhex: Read above. |
| 23:53.49 | resiak | tictac: Pray, why not? |
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| 23:54.06 | Newport | Covener, i used this command.... /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 23:54.12 | tictac | i just prefer the older installer |
| 23:54.17 | directhex | gurubie, my scrollback isn't as long as it could be |
| 23:54.20 | resiak | tictac: Fair enough. |
| 23:54.24 | directhex | tictac, for any meaningful reason? |
| 23:54.32 | Covener | gurubie: have you given any thought to what you give up in exchange for 'faster installs' and who tehre is that even cares about that stuff? |
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| 23:54.45 | gurubie | directhex: I'm running it now. Yes I have installed Debian several times and lately, this (pure if you will) Sarge I'm on right now. |
| 23:54.54 | MobyTurbo | I use the woody installer simply because sarge's installer doesn't support netinstalling over a PPP dial-up account. |
| 23:55.13 | Covener | Newport: read the manual like the dpkg msg told you. Search for initrd |
| 23:55.16 | directhex | MobyTurbo, have you filed bugs against d-i about it? |
| 23:55.36 | MobyTurbo | directhex: it's a known problem, part of their "we won't fix this unless someone else writes it" list. |
| 23:56.06 | tictac | some of the 'automatic' features dont work well |
| 23:56.18 | tictac | of course, its not finished, so i understand that |
| 23:56.22 | jms | Covener: thanks. |
| 23:57.07 | Covener | jms: they say k3b is a nice frontend to mastering the data dvds -- as long as your system is configured correctly it saves you the esoteric commands/flags etc |
| 23:57.37 | gurubie | Covener: Yes and you have a good point about possible downsides. The thing is, It would be for persons not here, who are new to Linux (desktop) and need to see it first. but then they wind up with soem Debain "based" mess and there you go. I have compassion for theses people. Not everyone is a geek, and that's OK! |
| 23:57.43 | jms | when I mount the /dev/hdX device for the dvd burner with a blank dvd, I get an error: mount: /dev/hdd: can't read superblock |
| 23:57.57 | Covener | jms: you shouldn't be mounting a blank dvd |
| 23:58.03 | Covener | jms: it has no filesystem on it |
| 23:58.06 | Newport | Covener, i did, first i went off a guide that said to build using this "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" and it built then installed fine but no boot |
| 23:58.12 | petemc | jms: and you're surprised? |
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| 23:58.25 | Covener | Newport: You searched for initrd in the manpage? |
| 23:58.53 | jms | growisofs man page referenced working with /dev/dvd ... does that not imply mounting? |
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| 23:59.16 | decklin | jms: why would that imply mounting? |
| 23:59.25 | Covener | resiak: amen, i had to pause on that screen -- it was a very unusual presentation |
| 23:59.25 | caphuso | jms: not at all |
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| 23:59.48 | Newport | Covener, is there just a command that will compile the kernel and evetything i need? it takes about 7 hours for me to complete a compile and figure out that i missed something |
| 23:59.51 | directhex | oh, fucking hell, nvidia-glx has been dropped from sarge |
