| 00:00.03 | jms | ok, sounds like I have something basic to learn about |
| 00:00.22 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.25 | resiak | directhex: Yes, it has. I've amended nvidia one-liner accordingly. |
| 00:00.31 | orfeu | what is the name for the package with gtk2 or Rox ( window manager ) ?! |
| 00:00.36 | gurubie | So what are the reasons for no Debian (pure not "based on") Live, Demo and faster i386 install CD iso's, to get non-geeks started? |
| 00:00.46 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: you haven't actually loaded php4-mysql in you php.ini file |
| 00:00.48 | Covener | Newport: you're probably just msising that one flag -- i don't know much make-kpkg. Do you have to explicitly include any external patches or modules explicitly? |
| 00:00.51 | db101 | guys how can i list all existing users and groups in debian? |
| 00:00.52 | resiak | gurubie: Go and MAKE them, dammit. |
| 00:01.00 | db101 | and i mean all of them |
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| 00:01.14 | resiak | Covener: Not even that: it'd be nice to have a guide to resizing your existing partitions. |
| 00:01.17 | cliechti | db101, cat /etc/passwd /etc/groups |
| 00:01.23 | db101 | thanks |
| 00:01.27 | JoeGreco | what is virtual(8) for postfix? I dont see anything for it when i search with apt-cache search? |
| 00:01.28 | orfeu | db101: look in /etc/passwd |
| 00:01.30 | paulswm | gurubie: ask the debian developers, and help out if you're that keen |
| 00:01.35 | MobyTurbo | gurubie: Progeny makes a pure debian Anaconda installer |
| 00:01.37 | Newport | Covener, nope i dont have anything funky, im recompling because of a couple flags i needed to set |
| 00:01.45 | caphuso | JoeGreco: man man |
| 00:01.47 | orfeu | what i must do to install gtk2 ???? |
| 00:01.48 | orfeu | :) |
| 00:01.55 | orfeu | apt-get install what ? |
| 00:01.56 | resiak | orfeu: Install a program that needs it. |
| 00:02.08 | JoeGreco | caphuso, hahah.. man i have alsways used qmail.. postfix is new to me |
| 00:02.08 | Covener | Newport: you may be able to generate your initrd yourself, outside of kpkg, in case it wants to chug for 7 more hours (but i dunno any details there) |
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| 00:02.16 | resiak | orfeu: apt-cache search ^libgtk if you insist on finding a package name. |
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| 00:02.26 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: where are those two files ? |
| 00:02.27 | orfeu | resiak i whant to use Rox ! it is a window manager like ! but i don't find any package in deb for Rox |
| 00:02.29 | Covener | Newport: maybe if you exclude kernel_image but somehow tell it to make the initrd anyway? shrug |
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| 00:02.40 | gurubie | resiak: Has anyome already stated? You appear angry? I may make it! Anyway, thanks for the discussion. I must leave now. God bless you. |
| 00:02.58 | jamalz | hello every body guys u know a way to change from gdm to xdm ? |
| 00:03.09 | Covener | jamalz: dpkg-reconfigure xdm |
| 00:03.13 | Avantopia | anyone here use lxdvdrip? |
| 00:03.15 | jamalz | aha |
| 00:03.17 | jamalz | thanks |
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| 00:03.27 | JoeGreco | im trying to figure out how to change the password for virtual domains setup with postfix, without using unix accounts |
| 00:03.28 | resiak | orfeu: Okay, point taken. Read what I said. |
| 00:03.34 | Avantopia | It is not listed in apt-cache |
| 00:03.40 | caphuso | JoeGreco: #postfix |
| 00:03.52 | JoeGreco | nice |
| 00:03.53 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: found |
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| 00:04.35 | directhex | !tell resiak about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 00:04.41 | directhex | resiak, that seem correct? |
| 00:04.45 | db101 | do i need atd running on debian? |
| 00:05.11 | db101 | for it to function normally? |
| 00:05.14 | elnovato | !atd |
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| 00:05.17 | resiak | directhex: Looks right to me. Hang in there... |
| 00:05.22 | Avantopia | lxdvdrip anyone? |
| 00:05.23 | db101 | the only atjob i see is .SQL |
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| 00:05.47 | directhex | resiak, dropping nvidia-glx from sarge is... well... a shame. a rather big one. |
| 00:05.47 | resiak | directhex: Yes, I agree. Thanks :) |
| 00:05.57 | resiak | directhex: I'm shocked, really. |
| 00:05.59 | caphuso | db101: at is too useful to not have it available |
| 00:06.09 | db101 | sorry |
| 00:06.12 | resiak | directhex: Oh well. Such is life... |
| 00:06.16 | db101 | .SEQ and its blank |
| 00:06.18 | db101 | hr |
| 00:06.37 | Gnea | directhex: not really, considering it wasn't even up-to-date version |
| 00:06.49 | resiak | directhex: You beat me to adding see <quick sid/sarge mix> to nvidia one-liner :) |
| 00:06.51 | caphuso | db101: and .SEQ isn't an at job |
| 00:06.53 | caphuso | it |
| 00:06.57 | db101 | caphuso: it looks like its not really doing aything |
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| 00:07.00 | db101 | ? |
| 00:07.03 | caphuso | 's the file that contains the number of the last at job |
| 00:07.12 | db101 | well its empty |
| 00:07.13 | db101 | lol |
| 00:07.23 | caphuso | db101: because you haven't used at yet |
| 00:07.24 | directhex | Gnea, there are seven patches currently floating about to fix problems with 6629. 6111 was fine as a version. |
| 00:07.33 | db101 | so i guess i wont need it then |
| 00:07.37 | db101 | shold i romve it |
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| 00:07.42 | caphuso | db101: wrong question |
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| 00:07.50 | caphuso | db101: the real one is: why would you want to remove it? |
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| 00:07.55 | jamalz | sorry guys |
| 00:07.59 | jms | looks like I have data files writing to dvd successfully with growisofs. I don't understand how /dev/dvd got setup, but I can do what I need. Thanks all who responded to me! |
| 00:08.08 | jamalz | who told me dpkg-reconfigure have done nothing |
| 00:08.11 | db101 | beacuse i like to minimize any services and unnecessary things |
| 00:08.11 | tobehz | I keep getting configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check when I try to run ./configure for a lot of different programs. It says to check config.log but it is rather cryptic and programmer-oriented than end-user friendly :p |
| 00:08.21 | caphuso | tobehz: install build-essential |
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| 00:08.30 | directhex | !b-e tobehz |
| 00:08.31 | dpkg | tobehz: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:08.38 | caphuso | db101: removing services for the sake of removing them is stupid |
| 00:08.54 | db101 | its takin up memory and cpu time |
| 00:08.57 | tobehz | woot, thanks -_- |
| 00:08.58 | caphuso | db101: it' |
| 00:09.01 | caphuso | s not |
| 00:09.01 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: if you've got it working properly, <? phpinfo() ?> (or php_info, never can remember) will show that you've loaded the mysql module |
| 00:09.02 | db101 | and aint doing a dgodamn thing for me |
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| 00:09.11 | jamalz | guys how to change from kde to gnome ? |
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| 00:09.25 | tobehz | <?php phpinfo(); ?> will do the trick |
| 00:09.25 | caphuso | db101: ok... if you really are more clever than the debian developers, go on |
| 00:09.48 | db101 | im not more clever but im sayinn if it need to be there then i leave it else rm it one time |
| 00:09.48 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: was yet an other apache vs apache2 broken file |
| 00:09.56 | caphuso | db101: why are you even asking if you won't accept the answers you get? having fun wasting other people's time? |
| 00:09.57 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: ah |
| 00:09.58 | cliechti | jamalz, doesnt your xdm let you change the login type? |
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| 00:10.14 | db101 | ok but im not sure what is the answer.. |
| 00:10.21 | caphuso | paulswm: good idea |
| 00:10.22 | jamalz | cliechti well i'm in kde i wanna use gnome |
| 00:10.27 | db101 | you said i havent used it yet so im not going to then u said leave it |
| 00:10.29 | db101 | lol |
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| 00:10.43 | paulswm | caphuso: well it was either that or sand down your fingers |
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| 00:10.52 | caphuso | paulswm: (had a small accident involving a very sharp knife and my right pinky) |
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| 00:11.08 | paulswm | caphuso: ouch |
| 00:11.09 | cliechti | jamalz, yes, log out, choose gnome in your graphical login manager and log in again (or install gnome if you dont have it yet) |
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| 00:11.44 | hlp_me | hey, did anyone mange suspend to work properly in debina 3.1 on compaq presario 2715us model? or similar ones? |
| 00:11.53 | db101 | what is debina? |
| 00:11.59 | helloyo | how would i print "print files" to a directory, instead of a printer? |
| 00:12.01 | directhex | resiak, i can't see anything obvious on lists.debian.org, bar someone saying 'whwre's it gone :(' and being ignored |
| 00:12.02 | cliechti | db101, a typo |
| 00:12.05 | db101 | oh |
| 00:12.09 | Una_El_Sysdrum | i am having video issus in KDE/under debian what is the config command for video?? |
| 00:12.10 | elnovato | whats the best cups gnome manager? |
| 00:12.15 | resiak | directhex: Hmm. That's irritating. |
| 00:12.16 | jamalz | cliechti do i have to reboot ? |
| 00:12.16 | db101 | i thoought its a new flavor of debian |
| 00:12.23 | strubbel | are the ip-up.d and ip-down.d executed when pppd's persist option comes into force? |
| 00:12.25 | helloyo | Una_El_Sysdrum, with mplayer? |
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| 00:12.44 | strubbel | s/ip-down.d/ip-down.d scripts/ |
| 00:12.44 | cliechti | jamalz, no, jus logout (rebooting is for chaning hardware, nothing more ;-) |
| 00:12.45 | directhex | resiak, <dpkg> nvidia-glx: Randall Donald <rdonald@debian.org> |
| 00:12.50 | Una_El_Sysdrum | no video completely it is all fuzzy |
| 00:12.57 | helloyo | could somebody tell me how to make print files instead of actually printing? |
| 00:13.05 | caphuso | paulswm: it doesn't hurt, but with the plaster on it i'm quite clumsy |
| 00:13.38 | paulswm | caphuso: well stay out of root for a while then, heh |
| 00:13.42 | cliechti | helloyo, most programs can write .ps files, or you can set up a PDF printer |
| 00:13.45 | caphuso | paulswm: haha |
| 00:14.00 | resiak | directhex: Are you thinking contact might be in order? |
| 00:14.00 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I just need the base command line command to fix the video setup thingy? |
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| 00:14.09 | raid5 | dam it was really easy to get the printer to work under linux :) |
| 00:14.11 | caphuso | if mwilson were here i'd now recommend xprint, just to get him started ;-) |
| 00:14.13 | raid5 | cups ownz :) |
| 00:14.24 | elnovato | what printer do you owe cups? |
| 00:14.31 | raid5 | no more suffing around with filters and stuff :) |
| 00:14.34 | helloyo | thanks cliechti |
| 00:14.38 | AlexW | Guerin: about last night im sorry |
| 00:14.38 | raid5 | s/suffing/stuffing/ |
| 00:14.41 | elnovato | raid5: |
| 00:14.49 | directhex | resiak, you'll get an angry response back, but it'd be nice to know a reason |
| 00:14.55 | gilles | in a java archive, what file is to be launched with the command java ? |
| 00:15.03 | raid5 | elnovato, HP LaserJet 5L |
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| 00:15.09 | directhex | gilles, a .class or .jar |
| 00:15.22 | elnovato | raid5: what packs you installed |
| 00:15.28 | helloyo | can i create a sym link to an ftp address? |
| 00:15.34 | Xenguy | RBC came recommended; it just sounds like they are too busy (and don't bother to admit they're too busy ;-) |
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| 00:15.56 | raid5 | elnovato, got it to work with /usr/share/cups/model/laserjet.ppd |
| 00:16.03 | caphuso | helloyo: probably with lufs |
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| 00:16.17 | raid5 | elnovato, i think i just did apt-get install cups |
| 00:16.25 | tobehz | helloyo: in order to just access it like a local folder? |
| 00:16.30 | Una_El_Sysdrum | :( is sad and lost really needs help and doesn't know what to ask for. |
| 00:16.37 | helloyo | tobehz, yeah, i want to be able to save files to it |
| 00:16.48 | raid5 | elnovato, /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p Laser -E -v parallel:/dev/lp0 -m laserjet.ppd -o PageSize=A4 |
| 00:16.51 | tobehz | yea, check out lufs |
| 00:17.11 | raid5 | elnovato, then do lp /etc/motd or something to test it out :) |
| 00:17.14 | tobehz | there was some thing in a linux magazine about like.. ftpfs, sshfs, etc |
| 00:17.25 | caphuso | tobehz: lufs |
| 00:17.25 | tobehz | userland fildsystems, or something |
| 00:17.34 | cliechti | Una_El_Sysdrum, you mean you need to re-setup X? |
| 00:17.37 | strubbel | does anyone know if the ip-up.d and ip-down.d scripts are executed when pppd's persist option comes into force? i don't want to close my ppp link now and don't like to wait until tomorrow when my isp cancels the connection. |
| 00:17.39 | caphuso | ask dpkg for the details |
| 00:17.44 | elnovato | ok ill try raid5 |
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| 00:17.59 | Una_El_Sysdrum | yeah fo my video i thnk |
| 00:18.00 | elnovato | is there an interface for lpadmin? |
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| 00:18.04 | Una_El_Sysdrum | *for |
| 00:18.16 | caphuso | elnovato: http://localhost:631/ |
| 00:18.17 | Mistii | hi |
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| 00:18.59 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I can't see my desktop all can get is my command line. the desktop is all fuzzy |
| 00:19.16 | raid5 | i wonder whats the difference between lpr and lp |
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| 00:19.28 | doojin | hi guys |
| 00:19.37 | doojin | Finally I have installed debian |
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| 00:19.50 | paulswm | !win doojin |
| 00:19.50 | cliechti | doojin, good choice :-) |
| 00:19.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, doojin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 00:20.00 | guestish | hi |
| 00:20.14 | guestish | whats up |
| 00:20.23 | Mistii | Anyone know of something that will read .lit files? =p |
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| 00:20.41 | abrotman | Mistii: what is it? |
| 00:20.45 | hetore | what kernel comes with sarge? |
| 00:20.51 | guestish | hetore: depends on what you install |
| 00:20.57 | guestish | hetore: comes with a couple |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | hetore: there is a 2.4 and a 2.6 |
| 00:21.16 | Mistii | They're like, ebooks of a sort. I used to read them with msreader in xp, But I changed over like 2 weeks ago to debian... |
| 00:21.24 | hetore | guestish: specifically what are they? 2.4.28 ? |
| 00:21.27 | guestish | Mistii: who makes them? |
| 00:21.32 | raid5 | elnovato, dont use the web interface...it will stuff you around..use the command line :) it will always work |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | hetore: 2.4.27 and .. 2.6.8 iirc |
| 00:21.46 | guestish | hetore: ask abrotman, i dunno what they use now. if he doesnt play ask #debian-boot |
| 00:21.47 | resiak | directhex: Sent him an email, and included the URL of the unanswered message you mentioned. We await with interest his response... |
| 00:21.49 | guestish | erm, yeah |
| 00:21.50 | Mistii | I dunno- They're fanfics' |
| 00:22.02 | hetore | abrotman: thanks =) |
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| 00:22.03 | guestish | Mistii: fanfics? |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | hetore: you find this all out at packages.debian.org |
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| 00:22.15 | hlp_me | wehn i try to issue a comman like echo "blah" > file. i want it to overwrite the file. but it just reports file exists, how can overwrite the file? |
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| 00:22.42 | paulswm | Mistii: do "file xxx.lit" where xxx is the name of one of them and tell us what it says |
| 00:22.42 | skot | ok one more question |
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| 00:22.46 | elnovato | raid5: ok, deleting apache , i knew sucked that Sioux name.. |
| 00:22.48 | skot | how can i get a USB mouse to work. |
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| 00:22.50 | guestish | hlp_me: if you are using bash probaly a good place for that question is #bash |
| 00:22.51 | skot | in debian? |
| 00:22.53 | Mistii | Like, stories written about a tv show/movie/alt endings to books |
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| 00:23.00 | AlexW | how do i join php & apache |
| 00:23.01 | Mistii | One sec, let me open terminal |
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| 00:23.02 | AlexW | is there a module |
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| 00:23.07 | skot | i've read a bit, but what i read didn't work. |
| 00:23.10 | hlp_me | guestish and if i use tcsh? #tcsh :P |
| 00:23.19 | guestish | hlp_me: worth a shot :) |
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| 00:23.21 | pipeline | hlp_me: echo "foo" > file should overwrite the file. Something is clearly not working right. |
| 00:23.26 | caphuso | hlp_me: use >| |
| 00:23.27 | abrotman | AlexW: apt-cache search libapache php |
| 00:23.29 | skot | i tries insmod with the following: input usbcore usb-uhci and hid |
| 00:23.32 | skot | none of them existed. |
| 00:23.35 | pipeline | hlp_me: Also, don't ever, ever, ever write scripts in csh. Use ksh/ash/dash/bash |
| 00:23.41 | skot | tried |
| 00:23.44 | abrotman | skot: uname -r |
| 00:23.45 | guestish | skot: if you are lazy use hotplug |
| 00:23.48 | caphuso | pipeline: noclobber paramter set |
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| 00:23.53 | AlexW | abrotman: nothing |
| 00:23.53 | cliechti | skot, mine works with mousedev and psmouse modules |
| 00:23.55 | resiak | skot: Oh, and use modprobe, not insmod |
| 00:23.58 | guestish | heh |
| 00:24.02 | Mistii | unicorn.lit: data |
| 00:24.02 | skot | ah. |
| 00:24.06 | paulswm | guestish: I think they are Microsoft Reader files, and I doubt if anything else reads them |
| 00:24.06 | pipeline | skot: modprobe hid hiddev mousedev usbhid usb-ohci <-- something in that list will surely make it work. |
| 00:24.08 | guestish | cliechti: psmouse is for ps/2 mice iirc |
| 00:24.10 | abrotman | AlexW: then your sources are broken |
| 00:24.11 | calmar | j/quit |
| 00:24.15 | guestish | hetore: well thats what wine is for :) |
| 00:24.19 | lukah | I need some help with my sound |
| 00:24.20 | AlexW | err? |
| 00:24.20 | hlp_me | pipeline it works under regular user, but not at root. and i need to modify state file for the acpi... from root |
| 00:24.22 | guestish | hetore: check out freshmeat.net |
| 00:24.23 | raid5 | have you guys read the Oreally Power Tools book? |
| 00:24.28 | guestish | hetore: if there is no alternative install it using wine |
| 00:24.30 | raid5 | its pretty good :) |
| 00:24.33 | hlp_me | caphuso it reports Missing name for redirect. |
| 00:24.35 | abrotman | AlexW: which debian? |
| 00:24.37 | Una_El_Sysdrum | What command do I type to redo the video settings in debian? |
| 00:24.37 | paulswm | Mistii: then I doubt whether anything linux-based reads them. You'll have to google. |
| 00:24.43 | AlexW | 30r2 |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | AlexW: iirc .. it's libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:24.56 | cliechti | guestish, i needed it. newer kernels do a ps2 emulation for usb mice it seems |
| 00:25.02 | caphuso | hlp_me: what's the exact commandline you typed in? |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | AlexW: apt-cache search php |
| 00:25.08 | guestish | cliechti: ouch |
| 00:25.12 | paulswm | Mistii: when 'file' says "data", that translates to "I have no idea" :( |
| 00:25.20 | Mistii | :( |
| 00:25.21 | skot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.22 | lukah | Anyone know the kernel output tree dir for debian sarge i386? |
| 00:25.28 | AlexW | libapache-mod-dtcl - Server side Tcl scripting for Apache |
| 00:25.29 | AlexW | libapache-mod-filter - Filter documents through a script |
| 00:25.29 | AlexW | libapache-mod-gzip - HTTP compression module for Apache |
| 00:25.29 | hlp_me | caphuso echo -n "disk" >| state |
| 00:25.32 | AlexW | is all i have |
| 00:25.36 | Mistii | Oh well =p I like deb to much to give up for some books |
| 00:25.44 | caphuso | hlp_me: ah, sorry, tcsh uses ! not | |
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| 00:25.47 | pipeline | hlp_me: That's a special case :( |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | AlexW: your sources are messed up |
| 00:25.55 | AlexW | plus many more |
| 00:25.59 | AlexW | but they dont have php |
| 00:26.00 | hlp_me | pipeline what do u mean? |
| 00:26.02 | paulswm | Mistii: you could possibly use the wine package to run MS Reader, but that's beyond my knowledge or experience |
| 00:26.06 | doojin | Everybody attention, how to check if a package exists in debian? |
| 00:26.08 | hlp_me | caphuso so replace | by ! ? |
| 00:26.09 | guestish | there |
| 00:26.13 | guestish | heh, thats what i said :) |
| 00:26.16 | guestish | doojin: apt-cache |
| 00:26.21 | AlexW | apt-cache search libapache-mod |
| 00:26.22 | doojin | thanks |
| 00:26.24 | AlexW | no php module |
| 00:26.25 | caphuso | hlp_me: yes. search the tcsh man page for "noclobber" |
| 00:26.25 | guestish | doojin: np |
| 00:26.37 | abrotman | wtf... |
| 00:26.37 | hlp_me | caphuso i thought ! is for events... |
| 00:26.41 | hlp_me | caphuso okay, thnx |
| 00:26.46 | Guerin | AlexW: wrong you are |
| 00:26.48 | abrotman | AlexW: what about apt-cache search php ? |
| 00:26.58 | Guerin | wcb: searching again you must be |
| 00:27.07 | AlexW | abrotman: ill just edit the httpd.conf file |
| 00:27.19 | hetore | abrotman: what version of kde comes with sarge? |
| 00:27.26 | resiak | hetore: packages.debian.org/kde |
| 00:27.43 | abrotman | AlexW: it's just called php4 i guess |
| 00:27.44 | Guerin | no, packages.debian.org/kdelibs4 |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | hetore: for real .. packages.debian.org |
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| 00:28.07 | hetore | Ok ok =} |
| 00:28.13 | AlexW | yeh i have that, but with a .php file apache doesnt execute it |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | AlexW: that's all you install . then you edit the httpd.conf .. add an AddType iirc |
| 00:28.22 | pipeline | hlp_me: /proc files and /sys files aren't real files; there may be something else at work, and I wouldn't know what. |
| 00:28.30 | AlexW | thats what i was thinking |
| 00:28.32 | hlp_me | caphuso that helped thnx |
| 00:28.34 | bob2 | celebrate your nation's birth by blowing up a small part of it. |
| 00:28.41 | guestish | Mistii: wine is a piece of cake to install, and to use , if it works :) |
| 00:28.42 | abrotman | can i? |
| 00:28.45 | resiak | Guerin: My bad. |
| 00:28.47 | elnovato | hello master bob2 |
| 00:28.52 | bob2 | abrotman: are you in .au? |
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| 00:28.57 | guestish | bob2: sounds like fun |
| 00:29.00 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.01 | abrotman | bob2: philly |
| 00:29.02 | Mistii | Guestish: apt-get install wine? |
| 00:29.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 750] by debhelper |
| 00:29.05 | bob2 | abrotman: then no. |
| 00:29.11 | resiak | toresbe: Have you been r00ted again |
| 00:29.13 | resiak | toresbe: ? |
| 00:29.14 | guestish | Mistii: aye |
| 00:29.14 | AlexW | # LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 00:29.16 | bob2 | it's .au/invasion day. |
| 00:29.18 | hlp_me | pipeline why not write shellscirpts in tcsh? and about not real files here is what i am trying to do: http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/sleep.html i have 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:29.19 | toresbe | resiak: no, evolution died |
| 00:29.19 | AlexW | is that meant to be commented out |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | bob2: so i can't? |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:29.27 | resiak | toresbe: Oh, I see. |
| 00:29.35 | abrotman | AlexW: read the docs that are in /usr/share/doc/php4 |
| 00:29.38 | caphuso | hlp_me: google for "csh considered harmful" |
| 00:29.39 | Guerin | bob2: heh |
| 00:29.41 | toresbe | Can any evo users tell me what the letter k does? |
| 00:29.49 | bob2 | hlp_me: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ |
| 00:29.51 | pipeline | hlp_me: csh is a really, really bad scripting language, as lovely as it is interactively. I use csh or tcsh on all of my systems for my interactive shell. |
| 00:30.02 | resiak | toresbe: Nothing that I can see :) |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | hehe .. Orca is on tv |
| 00:30.10 | bob2 | hlp_me: acpi-support has all those cripts anyway |
| 00:30.12 | Una_El_Sysdrum | HELP |
| 00:30.12 | toresbe | resiak: oh, that's what killed it |
| 00:30.16 | toresbe | Una_El_Sysdrum: WHAT |
| 00:30.19 | resiak | toresbe: Hmm... |
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| 00:30.31 | Guerin | !annoy Una_El_Sysdrum |
| 00:30.32 | dpkg | Una_El_Sysdrum: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 00:30.41 | lukah | Anyone know the kernel output tree dir for debian sarge i386? |
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| 00:30.44 | guestish | Una_El_Sysdrum: turn your capslock off |
| 00:30.49 | toresbe | resiak: I selected all emails and instead of ctrl-k hit k |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | kernel output tree? |
| 00:30.55 | lukah | yeah |
| 00:30.56 | gilles | how to empty the trash of a user in root mode ? |
| 00:30.57 | bob2 | lukah: install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:31.01 | Guerin | yeah, I want to know what that is too |
| 00:31.02 | lukah | I need it to install my motherboard drivers |
| 00:31.06 | guestish | gilles: in gnome its ~/.trash |
| 00:31.11 | lukah | I have no sound :\ |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | you have motherboard drivers? |
| 00:31.21 | guestish | lukah: install discover |
| 00:31.26 | lukah | and when I did before I couldn't get it to play more than one sound at a time |
| 00:31.29 | AlexW | ahh yeh, thx |
| 00:31.35 | Guerin | ok, this channel is too stupid for me this morning |
| 00:31.37 | guestish | lukah: thats due to a crappy sound card |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | AlexW: find what you need? |
| 00:31.41 | paulswm | well I'm off to eat pizza and watch tv, stay safe everyone |
| 00:31.41 | lukah | I have an nForce2 Abit NF7-S |
| 00:31.42 | Guerin | i'm going to town |
| 00:31.42 | AlexW | yep |
| 00:31.46 | guestish | !tuesday |
| 00:31.46 | dpkg | i guess tuesday is soylent green day |
| 00:31.50 | hlp_me | okay, let me put it this way then. did any one manaed to get ACPI suspend to disk to work? |
| 00:31.50 | lukah | no, the onboard has sound channeling |
| 00:31.51 | elnovato | !ati |
| 00:31.51 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 00:31.56 | lukah | it works for me in windows |
| 00:31.59 | guestish | wtf is soylent green? |
| 00:32.06 | Guerin | guestish: peopl |
| 00:32.07 | chealer | doublehp: lol you just got the 2 most tipical problems you could get setting up a LAMP :) |
| 00:32.07 | Guerin | e |
| 00:32.08 | Una_El_Sysdrum | I just need to fix my video card settings and my crt |
| 00:32.09 | gilles | guestish: thanks |
| 00:32.09 | guestish | lukah: probably doing it in the software |
| 00:32.11 | hlp_me | bob2 oh really? okay i'll take a look :) |
| 00:32.16 | resiak | !tell lukah -about dmix |
| 00:32.16 | AlexW | funny |
| 00:32.17 | guestish | gilles: np |
| 00:32.21 | caphuso | guestish: a movie |
| 00:32.24 | AlexW | all the lines are there, but commented out |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | guestish: movie |
| 00:32.26 | Una_El_Sysdrum | what is the command to redo that? |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | kind of |
| 00:32.29 | Guerin | guestish: you must watch soylent green today |
| 00:32.33 | lukah | Software is the source I presume |
| 00:32.34 | Guerin | immediately |
| 00:32.34 | Mistii | I'm getting wine now- |
| 00:32.35 | bob2 | Una_El_Sysdrum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:32.40 | guestish | o_O |
| 00:32.42 | hlp_me | bob2, is acpi-support a standart package? |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | guestish: and real genius |
| 00:32.54 | lukah | I have probably fucked up my install though |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | guestish: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009NHBM/qid=1106699569/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-7616494-4524934?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846 |
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| 00:33.06 | lukah | I don't even know how to choose the drivers I am using |
| 00:33.09 | doublehp | chealer: I also found a new critical bug the 1st time I installed Hurd, and several issue about Lilo when installing Grub ... |
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| 00:33.12 | guestish | that the one about the food that comes from people/ |
| 00:33.13 | hacim | hmm, where can I get older versions of packages? |
| 00:33.13 | lukah | I installed some OSS and ALSA-OSS drivers |
| 00:33.19 | guestish | they are canabals |
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| 00:33.24 | abrotman | guestish: real genius! |
| 00:33.25 | paulswm | guestish: yes |
| 00:33.25 | doublehp | chealer: I am tired of being good at discovering bugs :( |
| 00:33.33 | skot | i ran modprove with those commands as root and it couldn't find any of them. |
| 00:33.34 | guestish | i read the book its based on, lol |
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| 00:33.37 | skot | modules |
| 00:33.42 | guestish | no wonder it looks fimilar |
| 00:33.47 | guestish | lol |
| 00:33.51 | chealer | Hurd...can it have critical bugs yet? are you really using that? |
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| 00:34.01 | hlp_me | !tell hlp_me about acpi |
| 00:34.04 | abrotman | chealer: hurd is a mess |
| 00:34.09 | abrotman | hlp_me: suspend to disk is iffy |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | !suspend |
| 00:34.11 | dpkg | well, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required |
| 00:34.14 | skot | !tell skot about usb mouse |
| 00:34.14 | guestish | hlp_me: /msg dpkg acpi |
| 00:34.23 | guestish | skot: /msg dpkg usb mouse |
| 00:34.27 | abrotman | !msg the bots |
| 00:34.27 | dpkg | Oi, abrotman, message the bots, so you don't spam the channel. /msg apt foo. *snarl* Thankyou |
| 00:34.37 | RedPenguin | Does anyone know what could be causing this? If I run something with high traffic, like a Squid proxy or especially an NFS server on a machine, when I copy a large amount of stuff from here, it seems to eventaully freeze up, even if I try to put the NFS server on another machine. |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | i'm just as guilty i suppose |
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| 00:34.52 | AlexW | yep working now :) |
| 00:34.59 | abrotman | AlexW: good |
| 00:35.08 | AlexW | see all i needed was the manual :p |
| 00:35.13 | caphuso | RedPenguin: realtek NIC? |
| 00:35.16 | hlp_me | abrotman i have a laptop, i want to take advantage of the features :/ |
| 00:35.24 | guestish | !tell hlp_me about linux laptops |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | hlp_me: no you don't .. just shut it down |
| 00:35.26 | guestish | !tell hlp_me about linux laptop |
| 00:35.29 | cire | our internet connection is very slow at the moment. dmesg reports: UDP: short packet: from xx to xx. What does this mean, and may it be responsible for our slow conection?? |
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| 00:35.34 | AlexW | now how would i upgrade to 3rc4 |
| 00:35.47 | AlexW | 30r4 |
| 00:35.51 | guestish | AlexW: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:35.53 | directhex | AlexW, you'd type 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
| 00:35.59 | dvs | AlexW: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 00:35.59 | abrotman | -u is nice |
| 00:36.04 | guestish | meh |
| 00:36.17 | elnovato | im the first one wich installed debian on toshiba a60 |
| 00:36.17 | guestish | the packages will be installed no matter what you do |
| 00:36.27 | abrotman | elnovato: go write a howto to help othres |
| 00:36.30 | resiak | elnovato: You were saying that earlier. |
| 00:36.32 | dvs | yeah, |
| 00:36.34 | guestish | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.36 | abrotman | elnovato: and submit it to linux-laptop.net |
| 00:36.40 | guestish | elnovato: how'd it go? |
| 00:36.46 | dvs | elnovato: listen to abrotman |
| 00:36.47 | AlexW | sources.list -> http://pastebin.com/233477 |
| 00:36.51 | hlp_me | guestish appreciate the linux latpot but never could find my model in there :) btw, the first url in the bot is broken |
| 00:36.58 | abrotman | dvs: he doesn't actually like me |
| 00:37.01 | RedPenguin | caphuso, well technically, this machine has an Accton card, but the kernel uses a Realteck driver. |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | no k |
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| 00:37.14 | elnovato | guestish: last toshibas doesnt work with kernel 2.4, with 2.6 works charming all devices working |
| 00:37.15 | guestish | hlp_me: heh, ok |
| 00:37.17 | RedPenguin | But the machine I mainly wanted for the NFS, uses Tulip. |
| 00:37.19 | guestish | hlp_me: fair enough |
| 00:37.25 | AlexW | dvs: http://pastebin.com/233477 |
| 00:37.26 | Mistii | I don't quite remember, someone told me to do "apt-get dist-upgrade" and to do something else |
| 00:37.29 | RedPenguin | Same with the other one that freezed up also. |
| 00:37.29 | guestish | elnovato: well thats a credit to progress! :) |
| 00:37.33 | caphuso | RedPenguin: whoever made the card isn't important. the chip it uses matters |
| 00:37.36 | dvs | AlexW: Ok, like guestish said "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:37.48 | Mistii | ahh |
| 00:37.55 | hlp_me | abrotman well, i want other features to control fans, voltage. see cpu temperature, hyperthreading. |
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| 00:38.08 | RedPenguin | caphuso, is it possible, my card is flooding the machines, even if I am just doing normal every day stuff like copying a large directory of files to it? |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | hlp_me: i guess you need acpi .. dunno |
| 00:38.11 | r3m | what is the command to output the 15 ending line of a file |
| 00:38.17 | abrotman | !speedstep |
| 00:38.17 | dpkg | speedstep is, like, the frequency scaling feature found on some Intel mobile processors. Ask me about {cpufreq}. |
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| 00:38.21 | directhex | r3m, tail |
| 00:38.23 | Kysh | tail -15 file ? |
| 00:38.24 | cliechti | thunderbird does not use the running instace if i "send page" from firefox. it asks to choose a profile instead :-( |
| 00:38.25 | r3m | thanks |
| 00:38.27 | hlp_me | abrotman that is what i'm trying to use |
| 00:38.29 | AlexW | 388kb of updates :-/ |
| 00:38.29 | guestish | hlp_me: well hyperthreading is not really all that well implimented, afaik you cant do dynamic allocation, you can only make it seem like multiple processors |
| 00:38.30 | caphuso | RedPenguin: realtek NICs are crap. pure, utter crap. go buy something worth it's cost |
| 00:38.35 | abrotman | MirrorLynx: i was just about to tell you that you lived near me |
| 00:38.36 | directhex | cliechti, file a bug. |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | and then you changed your name to dan2 |
| 00:38.42 | AlexW | oh i get it dw :P |
| 00:38.47 | gilles | where is the default directory to put new icons for gnome ? |
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| 00:38.49 | AlexW | upgrade will be bigger? |
| 00:39.01 | directhex | AlexW, no. |
| 00:39.04 | directhex | AlexW, that's it |
| 00:39.08 | guestish | AlexW: usually thats the case |
| 00:39.11 | abrotman | MirrorLynx: stop messing with me |
| 00:39.11 | caphuso | zmv '(^*.*)' '$1.txt' |
| 00:39.12 | MirrorLynx | abrotman: hey |
| 00:39.12 | RedPenguin | caphuso, well only one of my machines have a RealTek, but none of the machines I meant have one. |
| 00:39.14 | AlexW | hrrm, 0 packages upgraed... |
| 00:39.23 | r3m | kysh and to output the result to a file? |
| 00:39.24 | directhex | AlexW, the difference between r2 and r4 is almost nil. |
| 00:39.27 | guestish | AlexW: heh, you are up to date then |
| 00:39.32 | hlp_me | guestish heh, the second link has problems with trademark... so there are 2 links and neither of them work... also i want, cpu throtle |
| 00:39.32 | AlexW | wow |
| 00:39.32 | guestish | AlexW: it doesnt affect all packages |
| 00:39.33 | Kysh | tail -15 file > file2 :P |
| 00:39.38 | r3m | ok thanks |
| 00:39.39 | directhex | AlexW, a few security updates to packages you probably don't have, that's it |
| 00:39.43 | caphuso | RedPenguin: didn't you just tell me that the kernel on that machine uses a realtek driver? |
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| 00:39.47 | guestish | hlp_me: cpu throttle is in the kernel, its called cpu scaling |
| 00:39.54 | AlexW | heh mad |
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| 00:39.56 | Mistii | Guestish: For wine, it's pretty self explainitory, or anything I need to watch out for? |
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| 00:40.04 | guestish | Mistii: well just pray it works ;) |
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| 00:40.15 | guestish | Mistii: wine is improving, but like everything windows related, its buggy |
| 00:40.21 | hlp_me | guestish yeah, but how do i manualy control it? and scratch the part about hyperthreading, i mena throttle :) |
| 00:40.23 | AlexW | is there mysql 4? |
| 00:40.27 | Mistii | figures =p |
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| 00:40.33 | pipeline | Mistii: wine is actually fiendishly complicated to configure |
| 00:40.36 | guestish | hlp_me: heh, i wouldnt know, but im sure there is an article on it |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | yeah ... like wine-config :) |
| 00:40.44 | guestish | pipeline: na, the wine config tool isnt bad |
| 00:40.49 | Guerin | AlexW: what were you apologising to me for, earlier? |
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| 00:40.59 | AlexW | not rtfm'ing |
| 00:41.13 | jharrison | abrotman: can you do me a favor? |
| 00:41.18 | Guerin | AlexW: so why the fuck are you still not doing it? |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | jharrison: does it involve me naked? |
| 00:41.24 | RedPenguin | caphuso, well it uses a RealTek driver, but my card is technically an Acton, so I never really changed it, because I figured, it works, so I better not really mess it up. |
| 00:41.24 | hlp_me | guestish when i use klaptop to suspend, it wont poweroff the computer :) it wold sorta reboot or somethng, i cna't really tell, cause the screen never turns back on |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | Guerin: he did |
| 00:41.26 | Guerin | !tell AlexW about search |
| 00:41.26 | jharrison | abrotman: hell no |
| 00:41.26 | pipeline | Mistii: I suggest you download "Sidenet config," run the script, and choose option '1', then install dcom98. It will generate a better configuration than winesetuptk, and it will automatically install a lot of necessary windows system libs. (incidentally, if sidenet config fails during install, just try it again) |
| 00:41.28 | AlexW | i did |
| 00:41.30 | abrotman | jharrison: ok |
| 00:41.35 | AlexW | ive searched my friend |
| 00:41.37 | guestish | hlp_me: heh, the best way to suspend is to use sysfs |
| 00:41.38 | jharrison | abrotman: see if http://linuxbs.org comes up for you |
| 00:41.44 | jharrison | abrotman: you should see a drupal site |
| 00:41.44 | guestish | hlp_me: you echo suspend to one of the thingies |
| 00:41.49 | caphuso | RedPenguin: if the kernel uses the realtek driver, the card has a realtek chip |
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| 00:41.50 | abrotman | jharrison: it does |
| 00:41.54 | guestish | hlp_me: this is 2.6 btw |
| 00:41.56 | jharrison | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 00:42.03 | hlp_me | guestish i'm 2.6.8 :P |
| 00:42.08 | cire | we have a router (Testing, 2.6.8, dsl-connection), and a few days ago the conection became VERY slow. What might have happened? (no changes on system) |
| 00:42.16 | caphuso | RedPenguin: and that means the card is crap |
| 00:42.30 | dvs | cire: Your ISP changed something. |
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| 00:42.34 | abrotman | !not scottish |
| 00:42.38 | guestish | hlp_me: cd to /sys/power and cat the files to see your options |
| 00:42.38 | RedPenguin | caphuso, still, why would that make an NFS server on another machine freeze? |
| 00:42.39 | PinkBunny | hello.....anyone made following thing work ...... linux workstations authenticating on win2003 server (pam_ldap I suppose) and automounting their homedir from it? |
| 00:42.49 | guestish | hlp_me: to activate it echo the word you want to the file |
| 00:43.02 | guestish | hlp_me: eg: echo standby > /sys/power/state |
| 00:43.14 | hlp_me | guestish that is prty much what i was trying to do :) |
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| 00:43.20 | caphuso | RedPenguin: any reason. replace the card and check if you still get problems |
| 00:43.20 | guestish | and...? |
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| 00:43.28 | guestish | works fine on my desktop :) |
| 00:43.34 | Guerin | PinkBunny: why on earth? |
| 00:43.40 | AlexW | mysql version is currently 3.23.49 :P |
| 00:43.48 | AlexW | oh well |
| 00:43.50 | guestish | though my button to get out of standby happens to shut my computer down... |
| 00:43.51 | AlexW | who cares |
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| 00:43.59 | RedPenguin | Well, I will be right back, going to change some stuff in my kernel. |
| 00:44.02 | guestish | and my tv tuner card always takes it out of standby as soon as it goes back in |
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| 00:44.21 | hlp_me | guestish standby works, if i cat stat i get "standby mem disk"... if i try to echo disk.. nothign happens. let me try mem now |
| 00:44.30 | Mistii | Thanks, Guestish for the help |
| 00:44.34 | PinkBunny | Guerin: main server is windows2003 ....... and we have labs full of dualbooting win/lin workstations |
| 00:44.35 | anti- | How do I change the font used by the X server? (Fluxbox) I've been using the artwis fonts, but during my last apt-get upgrade it got reverted to some ugly old font. (remove && install doesn't work) |
| 00:44.35 | guestish | Mistii: np, good luck |
| 00:44.42 | Mistii | real life calls me away from the pc, sadly. :) |
| 00:44.46 | guestish | heh |
| 00:44.46 | elnovato | guestish: are you married? |
| 00:44.54 | dvs | anti-: Rearrange the order of your font path. |
| 00:44.56 | Mistii | I'll be back, when I have more questions, which will be soon! |
| 00:44.56 | guestish | elnovato: um, im a bit young for that |
| 00:45.01 | guestish | elnovato: 17 |
| 00:45.07 | Guerin | PinkBunny: you poor bastard |
| 00:45.09 | Mistii | err...this is going to sound really, really dumb. But how the hell do I quit? |
| 00:45.15 | guestish | elnovato: why? |
| 00:45.17 | PinkBunny | Linux server with NFS is not an option due to lack of security |
| 00:45.18 | elnovato | oh |
| 00:45.26 | directhex | Mistii, that depend which irc client you're using. |
| 00:45.30 | Xenguy | Mistii: /quit |
| 00:45.31 | guestish | Mistii: /quit |
| 00:45.34 | anti- | dvs, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 00:45.47 | elnovato | just im making a survey to find out streesed people |
| 00:45.49 | dvs | anti-: If you're not using a font server, yes. |
| 00:45.52 | guestish | elnovato: lol |
| 00:45.56 | guestish | elnovato: you think im stressed? |
| 00:46.02 | guestish | elnovato: how about you? married? |
| 00:46.02 | elnovato | no, you look happy |
| 00:46.05 | AlexW | so inetd will let me run a program on port 411? |
| 00:46.08 | elnovato | yes ! |
| 00:46.08 | guestish | heh |
| 00:46.16 | guestish | elnovato: to which? |
| 00:46.17 | anti- | dvs, thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 00:46.32 | Paco | i am having trouble with ndiswrapper. my laptop cannot seem to install it, even though i have the source code as a part of my apt/sources list. |
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| 00:46.46 | directhex | Paco, which version of debian? |
| 00:46.49 | PinkBunny | Guerin: it is not possible to make safe lan network with NFS, we need samba |
| 00:46.58 | Paco | sarge--testing |
| 00:47.08 | jharrison | abrotman: does it stillc ome up? |
| 00:47.14 | jharrison | abrotman: http://linuxbs.org |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:47.42 | directhex | Paco, aptitude install build-essential kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:48.04 | guestish | elnovato: hum... |
| 00:48.21 | elnovato | to the kgb |
| 00:48.32 | guestish | elnovato: i meant which question |
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| 00:49.05 | guestish | hlp_me: that your mask or your ip? |
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| 00:49.25 | alindeman | guestish: We cloak tor users |
| 00:49.28 | hlp_me | guestish that a mask for tor nodes, onion routing |
| 00:49.40 | guestish | alindeman: what is tor? |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | !tor |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 00:49.46 | alindeman | tor.eff.org |
| 00:49.47 | guestish | well thats really a question for both of you |
| 00:49.48 | zulkifar | Hi. I'm trying to run a game with wine, but it fails on error "wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger...". After that it couldn't run winedbg, printing another error: "Usage: winedbg [--auto] [--gdb] cmdline". Why it can't properly run winedbg? |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | guestish: packages.debian.org/tor |
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| 00:50.00 | elnovato | im confused |
| 00:50.04 | guestish | zulkifar: #winehq |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | guestish: it's onion routing .. if owrking properly .. anonymotiy |
| 00:50.16 | abrotman | and maybe better spelling |
| 00:50.25 | Paco | (directhex): it said "bash: m-a-a-i: command not found |
| 00:50.28 | zulkifar | guestish: thanks |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | guestish: the papers about it are quite interesting |
| 00:50.34 | raid5 | what do you ppl use to extract rar files? |
| 00:50.38 | raid5 | v3.0 above that is |
| 00:50.39 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 00:50.39 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
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| 00:50.41 | Xenguy | raid5: unrar |
| 00:50.50 | AlexW | Guerin: will inetd, let me run port 411 under a normal user |
| 00:50.51 | alindeman | It's also rampent with abuse, so we cloak users that use it, so channels can decide if they want to allow it |
| 00:50.54 | raid5 | well unrar cant do most rar files out there.. |
| 00:50.59 | guestish | abrotman: nice, looks like freenodew |
| 00:51.01 | guestish | freenode* |
| 00:51.01 | hlp_me | guestish http://tor.freehaven.net/ |
| 00:51.04 | guestish | doh |
| 00:51.04 | db101 | has anyone setup cyrus on debian |
| 00:51.06 | abrotman | alindeman: why abuse? |
| 00:51.07 | guestish | not freenode, freenet |
| 00:51.08 | db101 | woody |
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| 00:51.12 | abrotman | db101: courier! |
| 00:51.15 | raid5 | and unrar-free kinda buggy |
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| 00:51.18 | hlp_me | guestish, heh echoing mem into state did the same as klaptop suspending, screen blank.. and then i had to power cycle... :/ |
| 00:51.19 | db101 | lol |
| 00:51.22 | alindeman | abrotman: Kiddies and trolls tend to use it as a way to evade bans, etc.. |
| 00:51.26 | guestish | hlp_me: heh |
| 00:51.33 | hlp_me | tor is real nice tho |
| 00:51.34 | abrotman | alindeman: arma/roger has let me read a few of those papers |
| 00:51.36 | db101 | is it vulnerable since i read a bad review aboutir |
| 00:51.38 | guestish | hlp_me: how do you use iT? |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | alindeman: oh yeah . makes sense :) |
| 00:51.41 | guestish | it* |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | guestish: torify irssi-text |
| 00:51.54 | Una_El_Sysdrum | hey bob2 thanks |
| 00:52.00 | alindeman | abrotman: We allow it for the most part on the network level, but give channels the opportunity to easily ban it |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | alindeman: ah .. that's goood |
| 00:52.11 | hlp_me | guestish the docs describe it prty well :) i use tsocks. |
| 00:52.20 | alindeman | /ban *!*@node.tor will disallow tor users |
| 00:52.21 | guestish | abrotman: cant find torifyt |
| 00:52.28 | abrotman | guestish: did you install tor? |
| 00:52.29 | directhex | Paco, yes, it would. since i said m-a a-i |
| 00:52.36 | guestish | abrotman: ya |
| 00:52.46 | abrotman | guestish: let me double check |
| 00:52.49 | guestish | k |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | usr/bin/torify |
| 00:53.13 | hlp_me | alindeman, that is very kind of you :) i use tor for onion routing purposes, i find it very usefull on wifi wihtout encryption |
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| 00:53.37 | alindeman | hlp_me: Yah, it's a nice idea, but has practical problems with protocols like IRC |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | or bittorrent |
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| 00:53.54 | abrotman | p2p |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | guestish: didn't work |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | watch |
| 00:54.02 | guestish_ | wow, i've been tored |
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| 00:54.16 | guestish | abrotman: ? |
| 00:54.19 | guestish_ | slow though |
| 00:54.19 | hlp_me | alindeman it also has nice hidden services :) |
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| 00:54.23 | abrotman | guestish: you're still cloaked |
| 00:54.31 | guestish_ | yeah, i registered |
| 00:54.32 | alindeman | User/group cloaks will override the tor one |
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| 00:54.37 | hlp_me | guestish it choses random nodes some are fast some are slow |
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| 00:54.51 | guestish_ | i know, but it said tor when i logged in at first |
| 00:55.01 | Paco | (directhex): all that i typed..did that install ndiswrapper? |
| 00:55.14 | guestish | well that is interesting |
| 00:55.15 | hlp_me | abrotman what kind of problmes with bittorent? |
| 00:55.28 | guestish | it looks exactly like freenet's protocol from a layman's perspective |
| 00:55.32 | bytecolor | libnvidia-tls.so.1: cannot handle TLS data |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | hlp_me: you could mask your apparent IP while "stealing" music |
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| 00:55.37 | bytecolor | that ring anyones bell? |
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| 00:56.15 | guestish | abrotman: yes, you could in theory i suppose, torrent it wouldnt work so well cause of the upload part |
| 00:56.24 | AlexW | im trying to run on port 411 (under "dchub") |
| 00:56.24 | strubbel | are the ip-up.d and ip-down.d scripts run when pppd's persist option comes into force? |
| 00:56.24 | AlexW | AlexW :: I'm So Happy!!! w00t ramzi.lan is working says: |
| 00:56.24 | AlexW | butt.... ports under 1024 can be run only as root |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | guestish: who wants to upload? :) |
| 00:56.28 | leikh | I'm having som trouble with wget. The wget -k optioin should rewrite the url so the pages can be viewed locally. But instead it includes the server-path to the pages; http://foo.foobar.com/uio/rikke/dnr250-u2/leikh/www_docs/nyheter/www.uio.no/offentlig/news/messages/foobar.html , when i want http://foo.foobar.com/nyheter/www.uio.no/offentlig/news/messages/foobar.html (i.e: /uio/rikke/dnr250-u2/leikh/www_docs/ is the path set by the wget - |
| 00:56.29 | leikh | option, and not to be included in the URL). what's up? |
| 00:56.31 | guestish | abrotman: though i dont know anything about tor so maybe it works |
| 00:56.31 | AlexW | err |
| 00:56.33 | guestish | abrotman: lol |
| 00:56.40 | guestish | abrotman: if you want decent speed in torrent, you :) |
| 00:56.41 | AlexW | opendchub stream tcp wait dchub /usr/local/bin/opendchub |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | bah .. i can't get a good node i guess |
| 00:56.49 | hlp_me | guestish if you configure your browser you can go to urls like: http://6sxoyfb3h2nvok2d.onion/ |
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| 00:57.02 | guestish | hlp_me: whats that do? |
| 00:57.07 | AlexW | opendchub stream tcp wait dchub /usr/local/bin/opendchub |
| 00:57.11 | AlexW | ARGH! |
| 00:57.16 | hlp_me | guestish hidden services only for tor network |
| 00:57.16 | AlexW | stupid paste |
| 00:57.24 | guestish | hlp_me: ooo, such as? |
| 00:57.25 | AlexW | Guerin: opendchub stream tcp wait dchub /usr/local/bin/opendchub |
| 00:57.29 | AlexW | correct? |
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| 00:57.54 | guestish | !rootsmite doojin |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | my tor is broken .. i'm going to bitch at arma |
| 00:58.06 | guestish | lol |
| 00:58.08 | leikh | apt: smell my feet |
| 00:58.10 | hlp_me | guestish websites, e-mails... diferent boards, technicly you can torigy a lot of stuff |
| 00:58.22 | guestish | hlp_me: sounds more and more like freenet by the second =P |
| 00:58.26 | skot | hey guys. same problem. i can't get the usb mouse to work. |
| 00:58.32 | leikh | apt! smell my feet |
| 00:58.34 | hlp_me | guestish whats freenet? |
| 00:58.39 | guestish | !freenet |
| 00:58.39 | dpkg | [freenet] a completely decentralized, totally secure peer-to-peer network with anonymity. client written in java. days of free speech are here! see http://www.freenetproject.org |
| 00:58.52 | skot | i get no error message, it just doesn't respond in debian. i've tried several suggestions to no avail. |
| 00:59.01 | directhex | Paco, it installed an ndiswrapper kernel module. the rest is documented elsehwre |
| 00:59.02 | guestish | hlp_me: same idea, cept instead of anonymous browsing it centers on an anonymous www |
| 00:59.12 | guestish | hlp_me: 100% decentralized and self-learning |
| 00:59.17 | guestish | hlp_me: and encypted |
| 00:59.23 | skot | !usbmouse |
| 00:59.24 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 00:59.24 | Paco | (directhex): thankyou for your help |
| 00:59.27 | hlp_me | guestish hah, indeed sounds the same :) |
| 00:59.32 | skot | oops... sorry. |
| 00:59.36 | guestish | hlp_me: yeah, heh |
| 00:59.37 | skot | anyway, none of THAT worked. |
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| 00:59.46 | guestish | hlp_me: scary eh? |
| 00:59.48 | doojin | I'm back |
| 00:59.57 | guestish | !pat doojin on the back |
| 01:00.03 | guestish | doojin: root is bad for your health :) |
| 01:00.05 | dvs | !beer doojin |
| 01:00.11 | doojin | I can't install nvidia driver in debian |
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| 01:00.25 | doojin | and I can't find kernal-source-path |
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| 01:00.31 | chealer | doojin: why? |
| 01:00.34 | doojin | don't know |
| 01:00.42 | chealer | what's kernel-source-path? |
| 01:00.50 | doojin | kernel-source-path |
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| 01:00.59 | doojin | It is usually /usr/src/linux-xxx in redhat |
| 01:01.00 | hlp_me | guestish well tor is equivalent of that :) i wonder what are the differences! |
| 01:01.01 | chealer | !tell doogin about nvidia |
| 01:01.05 | skot | so are you guys out of ideas for the usb mouse? |
| 01:01.12 | guestish | hlp_me: well you cant use freenet as a proxy |
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| 01:01.30 | chealer | doojin: if you mean the kernel source's path, dpkg -L kernel-source-... |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | alindeman: doesn't seem to cloak them all |
| 01:01.41 | leikh | !smell my feet |
| 01:02.10 | bytecolor | doojin, you only need the kernel headers, for your particular kernel |
| 01:02.12 | doojin | "kernel-source is not installed" |
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| 01:02.26 | hlp_me | guestish okay, so that makes tor way more usefull, it ifunny how you get google in .nl .pl .uk and other places :) lots of tor nodes restrict irc. but prty much anything can be torified which really neat :) |
| 01:02.26 | alindeman | abrotman: It's hard to catch all of them all the time because some are dynamic |
| 01:02.29 | doojin | NVIDIA driver requires some kernel sources |
| 01:02.36 | guestish | hlp_me: heh |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | alindeman: i figured |
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| 01:02.44 | chealer | doojin: it's kernel-source-SOMETHING |
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| 01:02.51 | doojin | kernel-source-*? |
| 01:02.51 | guestish | hlp_me: i suppose thats one major difference, freenet was made with different goals in mind :) |
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| 01:03.05 | alindeman | A super majority aren't, so it still helps |
| 01:03.05 | guestish | hlp_me: its urls are crazzzyyy |
| 01:03.05 | man_in_shack | how do i set up firefox to use the jre 1.5 plugin from sun? |
| 01:03.11 | chealer | doojin: what APT interface do you use? |
| 01:03.17 | doojin | apt-get |
| 01:03.17 | skot | alright, thanks anyway. at least i got the thing to see my video card. |
| 01:03.18 | directhex | doojin, you're not using nvidia-installer are you? |
| 01:03.28 | chealer | man_in_shack: it's in the mozilla.org FAQs |
| 01:03.30 | doojin | I can't use it |
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| 01:03.41 | doojin | nvidia-installer makes errors |
| 01:03.49 | hlp_me | guestish true. tor is decentralized as well.. so i guess tor has little more functionality. and freenet is more p2p like as far as i understand |
| 01:03.51 | directhex | doojin, good. ask dpkg about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:04.00 | chealer | doojin: find the package you need with apt-cache search kernel-source* |
| 01:04.03 | guestish | hlp_me: try it |
| 01:04.19 | phy|rdc | hey guys, i have just recompiled an kernel (twice grr) and i keep getting the followin when rebooted "unable to mount root fs on unknown-block, cannot open root device hda1 or unknown-block" |
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| 01:04.24 | phy|rdc | anyone know wtf is up with that |
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| 01:04.25 | elnovato | doojin: go to #nvidia or give me ip root password i will fix it |
| 01:04.31 | phy|rdc | i have added ext3 support to the kernel |
| 01:04.35 | phy|rdc | (its an ext3 filesystem) |
| 01:04.37 | phy|rdc | and tried everything |
| 01:04.38 | doojin | 2.6.8 |
| 01:04.41 | phy|rdc | yep |
| 01:04.41 | doojin | mine is 2.6.8 |
| 01:04.42 | directhex | !ops elnovato asking for root passwords |
| 01:04.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: elnovato asking for root passwords |
| 01:04.43 | phy|rdc | its 2.6.8 |
| 01:04.45 | doojin | but I can't know the path yet |
| 01:04.55 | directhex | doojin, follow the damned instructions i've given you |
| 01:04.59 | helix | elnovato: do NOT do that or you will be removed. |
| 01:05.02 | chealer | directhex: that one-liner is good, maybe we should add a reference from the "nvidia" factoid? |
| 01:05.03 | directhex | !tell doojin about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | helix: he's been trolling all day |
| 01:05.13 | elnovato | oh sorry.. i just wanted to help |
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| 01:05.15 | abrotman | helix: giving misinformation ... |
| 01:05.17 | directhex | !tell doojin about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:05.19 | doojin | directhex : now it arrived |
| 01:05.30 | hlp_me | also, i've got another question. is there a way to make debina boot faster? wehn i boot in to 2.6.8 it has bunch of dots, which take forever |
| 01:05.31 | ElectricElf | elnovato: Yeah, could you refrain from doing that? |
| 01:05.31 | chealer | doojin: did you install kernel-source-2.6.8? |
| 01:05.32 | helix | elnovato: behave yourself; I've had to warn you before. consider this your final warning. |
| 01:05.37 | abrotman | helix: i'm pretty sure he's been banned before |
| 01:05.40 | doojin | debian-installer did |
| 01:05.42 | doojin | install |
| 01:05.46 | helix | he's been warned at least, I don't know about banned |
| 01:05.53 | sorahn | hey guys, i installed photoshop 7 with wine and it works fine but when im trying to run it i get errors, can anyone help |
| 01:05.56 | guestish | beats me... |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | helix: i was going to ask piggy to check |
| 01:06.00 | elnovato | i wanst |
| 01:06.02 | Goldfisch2 | hip_me: Sounds like the ypbind process starting up? |
| 01:06.07 | bytecolor | heh @ It is said that you need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. |
| 01:06.08 | guestish | sorahn: first off, why arent you using gimp? :) |
| 01:06.13 | doojin | ban is such a overused feature |
| 01:06.18 | bytecolor | almost folklorish |
| 01:06.33 | directhex | bytecolor, nvidia was removed from sarge last week, for reasons unknown |
| 01:06.37 | abrotman | doojin: there are 700-800 people here at any given time |
| 01:06.41 | guestish | sorahn: ill go on when i get an answer =D |
| 01:06.41 | bytecolor | ah |
| 01:06.46 | guestish | abrotman: achem, 700 people? |
| 01:06.52 | guestish | abrotman: i wouldnt go that far :) |
| 01:06.52 | ideafix | do you think alqueda could use irc to broadcast crypted msg using irc ? |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | guestish: 700 usernames :) |
| 01:07.04 | guestish | abrotman: much better :) |
| 01:07.07 | ideafix | do you think alqueda could use irc to broadcast crypted msg ? |
| 01:07.16 | abrotman | ideafix: so the wrong channel .. go away |
| 01:07.21 | sorahn | guestish: i have gimp, and i know it can do MOSt of what photoshop can, but it just isnt the same, i did try though |
| 01:07.26 | chealer | directhex: all nvidia packages removed? |
| 01:07.28 | doojin | directhex : can I just install by one line? |
| 01:07.32 | directhex | chealer, yes. |
| 01:07.36 | doojin | It kicks ass |
| 01:07.39 | bytecolor | yea, I used nvidia's installer, which works, except for the 'cannot handle TLS data' error |
| 01:07.39 | ideafix | abrotman: why should i leave ? |
| 01:07.39 | directhex | doojin, that's what's implied by 'one-liner' |
| 01:07.43 | guestish | sorahn: second: crossover has a variant of wine made to use with photoshop, thats your best bet, but it costs money |
| 01:07.44 | chealer | strange, thanks |
| 01:07.47 | guestish | ideafix: stay on topic |
| 01:07.49 | ideafix | you leave you phreak |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | ideafix: you don't have to leave .. just don't ask silly questions |
| 01:07.51 | doojin | apt-get kicks ass |
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| 01:08.00 | directhex | bytecolor, and your system will die if your x or kernel packages get updated |
| 01:08.01 | hlp_me | hrm... that was wierd :/ |
| 01:08.05 | chealer | doojin: and bash too :) |
| 01:08.06 | sorahn | guestish well, the install went fine, but i get an error when i run it |
| 01:08.13 | directhex | bytecolor, nvidia-installer is for systems with retarded package management |
| 01:08.13 | guestish | --- [ideafix] #knoppix #gentoo #fedora #mandrake #suse #debian #kde |
| 01:08.21 | guestish | aka, ideafix is a troll |
| 01:08.23 | sorahn | guestish so i was wondering if maybe you could tell me what it means |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | guestish: i noticed |
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| 01:08.32 | guestish | sorahn: im sorry, i probably cant, try #winehq |
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| 01:08.39 | bytecolor | directhex, so, what is the solution? the one-liner dpkg told me? |
| 01:08.42 | sorahn | on this server? |
| 01:08.43 | Goldfisch2 | hip_me: My system took forever to boot, but it was always when it was starting up NIS and dooing the ypbind. Since I really don't need NIS, I disabled that part of the boot up. Much faster. |
| 01:08.44 | guestish | sorahn: i really dont know much about wine error messages |
| 01:08.47 | ideafix | guestish: your a trool too |
| 01:08.50 | directhex | bytecolor, yes. |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | guestish: you're a troll .. can i have your trollish babies? |
| 01:09.08 | Avantopia | anyone here know how to change the 'disc name' of a DVD that will be burned with the GNOME cd/dvd creator |
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| 01:09.09 | Avantopia | ? |
| 01:09.11 | ideafix | guestish: and mind your owne buzz bye the way ! |
| 01:09.13 | *** mode/#debian [+q ideafix!*@*] by caphuso |
| 01:09.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 01:09.25 | guestish | abrotman: only if you preform a ritualistic dance to my god ;) |
| 01:09.26 | hlp_me | Goldfisch2 no, it takes forever too boot at the first line.... it takes forever to finish it . after that everything goes fast |
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| 01:09.29 | bytecolor | I'm wondering if that will indeed fix the TLS error |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | Avantopia: which burner? |
| 01:09.31 | guestish | perform* |
| 01:09.34 | abrotman | err .. which program |
| 01:09.37 | hlp_me | did i miss any replyes regrading slow boot? |
| 01:09.43 | doojin | "It is said that you need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge" |
| 01:09.44 | doojin | damn |
| 01:09.44 | directhex | bytecolor, i've never seen a tls error. |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | guestish: is'nt that how babies are made? |
| 01:09.50 | doojin | directhex : I have installed sarge |
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| 01:09.54 | guestish | abrotman: maybe for you... |
| 01:09.55 | directhex | !tell doojin about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:09.59 | tobehz | just compile the nvidia binary yourself |
| 01:09.59 | sussudio | hlp_me: why in gods name did you spell "replies" like that? |
| 01:10.01 | tobehz | isn't hard |
| 01:10.18 | Goldfisch2 | hip_me: Then I can't help you there. |
| 01:10.21 | bytecolor | directhex, I only get it when using a MASSIVE modeling kernel (OpenCASCADE) |
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| 01:10.30 | guestish | ideafix: work on your grammar |
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| 01:10.36 | guestish | ideafix: and spelling |
| 01:10.37 | hlp_me | sussudio cause i can't spell, and i dont' know english :/ also english is my 3rd language :| |
| 01:10.45 | guestish | hlp_me: 3rd? nice |
| 01:10.48 | hlp_me | please excuse my spelling |
| 01:10.51 | tobehz | not bad for a 3rd |
| 01:10.52 | abrotman | no way |
| 01:10.52 | doojin | english is my foreign language |
| 01:10.54 | guestish | hlp_me: i barely know 1 :) |
| 01:10.55 | Avantopia | abrotman, drive? I have an NEC 8X dvd burner ; the software is the nautilus-dvd-creator that comes with GNOME 2.8 |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | !punish hlp_me for his bad spelling |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:11.05 | guestish | heh |
| 01:11.06 | tobehz | most people can't even speak english and it is their native language |
| 01:11.09 | tobehz | :x |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | Avantopia: ah .. there we go |
| 01:11.12 | hlp_me | ew..... budweiser! |
| 01:11.25 | guestish | !slap the lot of you |
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| 01:11.30 | dvs | If I wanted water... |
| 01:11.31 | guestish | :) |
| 01:11.34 | bytecolor | opengl was such a wonderful thing under woody |
| 01:11.46 | guestish | Avantopia: aka cdrecord |
| 01:11.50 | Avantopia | abrotman, when I right click on an ISO file and send it to be burnt... I cannot change the 'disc name' for the disc. |
| 01:11.55 | Avantopia | guestish, k |
| 01:11.55 | bytecolor | course woody is stable :) |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | Avantopia: i can .. |
| 01:12.00 | abrotman | it's a text field |
| 01:12.03 | hlp_me | anyways, i just was one reply, reagarding the slow boot, did i miss any others? |
| 01:12.09 | vercellone | I'm running stable woody on my SCSI only Dell Poweredge 2300, and I want to add a Fast ATA or SATA controller and approx 250Gb drive if possible. It looks like a 3ware 7000 or 8000 card is the way to go....Does anyone have any insight or alternate suggestions? |
| 01:12.30 | directhex | vercellone, you'll need a muich more recent kernel than woody offers |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | Avantopia: and .. i'm pretty sure youcan't burn an iso like that |
| 01:12.35 | Avantopia | abrotman, mine is greyed out at the moment. |
| 01:12.36 | caphuso | heh, "telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 23" is still working |
| 01:12.37 | guestish | vercellone: woody is old |
| 01:12.39 | abrotman | and you can't chang ethe name on an ISO |
| 01:12.40 | guestish | :) |
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| 01:12.44 | Avantopia | abrotman, I do it all the time! |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | Avantopia: try asking at irc.gnome.org |
| 01:13.04 | guestish | Avantopia: if you want advanced features like that, get an advanced interface (gcombust) :) |
| 01:13.17 | Avantopia | abrotman, you right click on an iso and 'Write to Disc' |
| 01:13.24 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:13.27 | zulu | sorry can someone tell me in 2.6.10 conf where mousedev and input are? |
| 01:13.31 | Avantopia | abrotman, k |
| 01:13.34 | Avantopia | guestish, thx |
| 01:13.38 | peterS | zulu: device drivers -> input |
| 01:13.42 | guestish | Avantopia: that or k3b, but thats a kde app |
| 01:13.46 | guestish | Avantopia: i prefer k3b |
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| 01:14.00 | abrotman | arson looks fun |
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| 01:14.01 | guestish | has that easy cd creator feel to it |
| 01:14.01 | Avantopia | I think I will stick with my DVD burn mantra. |
| 01:14.03 | vercellone | would you suggest moving to testing, or just get a later kernel-source? |
| 01:14.10 | guestish | Avantopia: its all cdrecord, just a different interface |
| 01:14.11 | hlp_me | here, let me repeat the question. I have 2.6.8 kernel. when i select it to be booted from lilo. it takes forever to do the first line (places a bunch of dots on the first line) after that reporting bios check ok or something like that, related to BIOS |
| 01:14.16 | Buddha| | Is there a set of CD images available for AMD64? |
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| 01:14.22 | Avantopia | guestish, true |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | Buddha|: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:14.24 | guestish | Buddha|: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:14.29 | zulu | ok the mouse interface option as -- and no [ ] to get an M in it... |
| 01:14.30 | directhex | !tell Buddha| about amd64 |
| 01:14.30 | guestish | abrotman: hah! |
| 01:14.32 | zulu | is it normal? |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | !jinx guestish |
| 01:14.35 | Avantopia | guestish, I use cdrecord even at work on windows. |
| 01:14.35 | guestish | :) |
| 01:14.35 | Avantopia | heh |
| 01:14.46 | guestish | Avantopia: that works too :) |
| 01:14.56 | guestish | Avantopia: in any case it really doesnt matter what the frontend it |
| 01:14.57 | guestish | is* |
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| 01:15.42 | visik7 | hi |
| 01:15.52 | rdancer | where do firmware blobs go, FHS-wise? |
| 01:15.55 | guestish | Avantopia: if you are feeling brave use cdrdao :) |
| 01:16.14 | visik7 | what does Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} in debian/control means ? |
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| 01:16.30 | abrotman | you know . gnome bugbuddy would work a lot better if they would patch it to work with the debian bts instead of gnome's bugtracker |
| 01:16.33 | guestish | visik7: its what finds the dependencies for a package |
| 01:16.51 | peterS | rdancer: probably in /usr/lib/drivername/ |
| 01:17.06 | caphuso | hotplug looks in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
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| 01:17.14 | peterS | rdancer: or /usr/share/drivername/ which, although it logically fits, just feels wrong |
| 01:17.23 | visik7 | guestish don't understand |
| 01:17.31 | hlp_me | guestish does it take you long time too boot into debian? how much does it spend on bios check stuff? |
| 01:17.34 | visik7 | guestish, don't understand |
| 01:17.41 | psywar | Hey, I installed a debian/sarge box yesterday, and did an apt-get installl build-essentials, and the /usr/include/linux files it installed were for a 2.6 kernel. wtf? |
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| 01:17.50 | rdancer | peterS: if the blob is arch-independent, it should go to /usr/share, i think |
| 01:17.53 | zulu | why can't I put the mousedev as a module in menuconfig? (2.6.10) |
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| 01:18.05 | guestish | visik7: not long |
| 01:18.09 | tobehz | zulu: why not just install a kernel image? |
| 01:18.10 | guestish | visik7: dont worry about it then |
| 01:18.14 | tobehz | with all the modules pre-built |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | psywar: you're on sarge |
| 01:18.21 | peterS | zulu: don't know why not. you should be able to |
| 01:18.23 | rdancer | caphuso: isn't /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ hotplug's discretion? can other packages write there? |
| 01:18.24 | psywar | abrotman: and? |
| 01:18.30 | caphuso | rdancer: no idea |
| 01:18.38 | peterS | zulu: but why would you *want* it as a module? it's something you'd have loaded all the time anyway, no? |
| 01:18.41 | abrotman | psywar: that's not for 2.6 anyways .. |
| 01:18.48 | visik7 | guestish yes but I'm modifing debian/ files of a package 'couse I need an upgraded version of it |
| 01:18.49 | dvs | peteS: No. Not for a PS/2 mouse. |
| 01:18.57 | psywar | Okay, I agree - why did apt-get install it then? |
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| 01:19.00 | peterS | dvs: yes, for PS/2 mouse |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | psywar: i think those are libc-dev thingies |
| 01:19.12 | hlp_me | is it just me. or everybody is ignorring my question about boot time... :D |
| 01:19.12 | guestish | visik7: google for the debian maintainer's guide |
| 01:19.17 | abrotman | psywar: you need those .h files to build .. basically anything |
| 01:19.17 | psywar | okay? |
| 01:19.17 | guestish | hlp_me: we dont know |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | !nm |
| 01:19.20 | dpkg | it has been said that nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 01:19.22 | dvs | peterS: No, I could never select a PS/2 mouse as a module. |
| 01:19.23 | zulu | because I deseperately try to make my usb mouse work... |
| 01:19.23 | peterS | dvs: try operating your PS/2 mouse without the mousedev module in kernel 2.6.10 and see how far you get |
| 01:19.37 | zulu | and I'm following guide to make it work :) |
| 01:19.43 | psywar | abrotman: I couldn't build anything with those .h files! They were for 2.6 and gave 2240 errors when I tried to #include one! |
| 01:19.54 | hlp_me | guestish well, how about you. how long does it take you too boot? :) |
| 01:19.55 | peterS | dvs: the psaux module existed in kernel 2.2, disappeared from kernel 2.4, reappeared in a new form as 'psmouse' in kernel 2.6 |
| 01:20.01 | caphuso | rdancer: the hotplug package doesn't install any firmware blobs. OTOH, you might want to use the firmware without hotplug too |
| 01:20.05 | db101 | abrotman: i have my mind set on cyrus and have managed to install it but it doesnt seem to be running |
| 01:20.05 | guestish | hlp_me: me? oh about 2 minutes or so |
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| 01:20.14 | abrotman | psywar: dpkg -l | grep kernel | grep header |
| 01:20.15 | doojin | I don't understand quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:20.18 | zulu | my usb stack seems to work cause a cat /proc/bus/usb/device give me my usb hub and my flashstick |
| 01:20.23 | doojin | want to know detail |
| 01:20.26 | abrotman | db101: don't ask me .. i told you to use courier :) |
| 01:20.29 | zulu | but I cant see my mouse :( |
| 01:20.32 | abrotman | !cyrus |
| 01:20.32 | hlp_me | guestish does it show bunch of dots while loading kernel? |
| 01:20.32 | dpkg | cyrus is probably the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
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| 01:20.36 | chealer | doojin: you must have sources for sid to get nvidia packages |
| 01:20.39 | guestish | hlp_me: cant say it does |
| 01:20.46 | psywar | abrotman: none, what does that mean? |
| 01:20.48 | doojin | where's sid? |
| 01:20.55 | hlp_me | guestish which means? it doesn't? |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | psywar: you dont' have any kernel headers installed :) |
| 01:21.02 | guestish | hlp_me: nope |
| 01:21.19 | psywar | the build-essentials installed something into /usr/include/linux |
| 01:21.22 | hlp_me | guestish damn, so, why are they on mine... :/ |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | psywar: like which file? |
| 01:21.26 | psywar | they sure look like kernel headers to me |
| 01:21.30 | guestish | hlp_me: laptops can be bugg |
| 01:21.31 | peterS | psywar: you were deceived |
| 01:21.33 | guestish | buggy |
| 01:21.45 | peterS | psywar: what you got were kernel headers in a form suitable for compiling non-kernel stuff with |
| 01:21.51 | hlp_me | guestish do you have bios stuff enaled in kernel? |
| 01:22.04 | psywar | peterS: it really fucked me up for a while, it sucks |
| 01:22.04 | guestish | hlp_me: bios stuff? |
| 01:22.06 | vercellone | directhex: could you be more specific - do you have a controller/kernel/release combination you can recommend? |
| 01:22.19 | psywar | and someone in here was telling me I should take said compilation errors to #c |
| 01:22.21 | psywar | repeatedly |
| 01:22.22 | hlp_me | guestish let me check somehting, one sec |
| 01:22.44 | abrotman | psywar: does it work now? |
| 01:22.45 | doojin | I don't understand about quick sid/sarge mix yet |
| 01:22.47 | psywar | Hmm, yeah, let me just fucking fix those 2240 compilation errors in the first header file. That will be a productive way of solving the problem. |
| 01:22.51 | zulu | is there a channel more about usb? |
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| 01:23.09 | psywar | abrotman: I copied /usr/src/linux/include/linux/* to /usr/include/linux/* and it seems to work |
| 01:23.11 | doojin | more details I want |
| 01:23.15 | guestish | zulu: should be |
| 01:23.24 | zulu | cool... |
| 01:23.26 | zulu | and? |
| 01:23.29 | psywar | but I still get unresolved symbols when I try to insmod the module I compiled. |
| 01:23.30 | zulu | where? |
| 01:23.36 | Goldfisch2 | I get a bug when building MythTV cvs in kernel 2.6.9. There is a kernel-patch-debian-2.6.9 package. Do I need this, because I custom build kernels, or is this for supporting stock kernels? |
| 01:23.36 | peterS | zulu: have you got both usb host modules loaded - ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd/ohci_hcd? |
| 01:23.41 | dvs | peterS: Ok. I believe you know. I found the new kernel module. |
| 01:23.41 | doojin | I want more deailts about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | psywar: oh .. then you are doing it wrong |
| 01:23.54 | psywar | can I restore my system to a more sane state and get some packages that will give me something that works? |
| 01:24.01 | abrotman | psywar: i didn't realize you were trying to compile a module |
| 01:24.19 | psywar | abrotman: please tell me how to get a working system :) |
| 01:24.23 | doojin | I want |
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| 01:24.26 | abrotman | psywar: uname -r |
| 01:24.40 | psywar | 2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 01:24.47 | doojin | I want to know more details of quick sid/sarge mix... somebody tell me |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | psywar: why did you install that? |
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| 01:25.01 | abrotman | doojin: you don't want to |
| 01:25.05 | doojin | what? |
| 01:25.09 | zulu | peterS, no only the ehci_hcd one |
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| 01:25.13 | psywar | abrotman: that's what installed when I installed sarge |
| 01:25.14 | zulu | what do you mean? |
| 01:25.22 | psywar | I didn't pick a kernel version |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | psywar: do you want a 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 01:25.26 | peterS | zulu: type this: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
| 01:25.32 | visik7 | guestish truly I can't deduce what ${shlibs:Depends} means from the mantainer's manual |
| 01:25.34 | abrotman | psywar: and it didn't install that .. no freaking way |
| 01:25.37 | peterS | zulu: it'll tell you about your EHCI controller, plus your UHCI or OHCI controllers |
| 01:25.47 | peterS | zulu: if you have UHCI, load the module 'uhci_hcd'. if you have OHCI, load 'ohci_hcd' |
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| 01:25.50 | psywar | abrotman: yes, I can do it again if you like |
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| 01:25.56 | abrotman | psywar: whatever .. |
| 01:26.05 | psywar | I've had to do it 2 or 3 times |
| 01:26.09 | peterS | zulu: that's for kernel 2.6. if you are using kernel 2.4, the module names are usb-uhci and usb-ohci |
| 01:26.10 | abrotman | psywar: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.27-2 .. or somehting simliar |
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| 01:26.27 | psywar | should I restore the old /usr/include/linux stuff first? |
| 01:26.34 | directhex | doojin, what more do you need to know? |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | psywar: if you think you can |
| 01:26.42 | peterS | abrotman: the headers package is the same as uname -r. kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-586tsc |
| 01:26.42 | psywar | I should mention that the installer I used was RC2 or something like that |
| 01:26.46 | zulu | result: [UHCI]) 4 times and one [EHCI]) |
| 01:26.48 | doojin | don't know how to fix config |
| 01:26.50 | vercellone | Who's got debian running with a 200+Gb Fast ATA or SATA drive? On what release/kernel/hardware? |
| 01:26.52 | peterS | zulu: right, so load the module uhci_hcd |
| 01:26.58 | psywar | what's 586tsc anyway? |
| 01:27.01 | zulu | I dont have it :) |
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| 01:27.02 | peterS | psywar: Pentium |
| 01:27.10 | abrotman | peterS: oh yeah .. it's just the source that's different |
| 01:27.10 | psywar | well I am on a pentium |
| 01:27.11 | zulu | ok... |
| 01:27.14 | doojin | " your sarge lines and change one set to sid" |
| 01:27.15 | psywar | so I guess that's appropriate |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | psywar: which pentium? |
| 01:27.22 | peterS | zulu: basically the ehci_hcd module only handles USB 2.0 devices. older USB 1.1 devices, like all mice, still have to use the other driver |
| 01:27.25 | psywar | pentium 233 MMX |
| 01:27.32 | abrotman | !686 |
| 01:27.33 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
| 01:27.36 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 01:27.42 | guestish | vercellone: well i use a controller card if thats what you mean |
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| 01:27.44 | psywar | :) I'm not crazy |
| 01:27.47 | guestish | vercellone: but they dont sell the model anymore |
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| 01:27.54 | doojin | don't know what to do with it |
| 01:27.56 | peterS | psywar: right, the Pentium MMX should use -586tsc. you have it right. |
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| 01:28.03 | directhex | doojin, open sources.list in a text editor. copy & paste everything so you have pairs. then in each pair, change one of them to 'sid' rather than 'testing' or 'sarge' |
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| 01:28.08 | psywar | cool *sigh of relief* |
| 01:28.14 | DeViLiSh | guys does r4 have alot differance from r3 ? |
| 01:28.19 | doojin | thanks |
| 01:28.20 | psywar | it's going to be a box dedicated to running asterisk |
| 01:28.24 | vercellone | gestish: what model? |
| 01:28.26 | psywar | so it doesn't need to be fast |
| 01:28.30 | zulu | thx peterS I just believed ehci_hcd handle both 1.1 and 2.0 |
| 01:28.33 | peterS | DeViLiSh: referring to debian 3.0? they're the same except for a few security updates here and there |
| 01:28.36 | vercellone | guestish: what model/ |
| 01:28.47 | AlexW | j |
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| 01:29.08 | peterS | zulu: USB hardware is weird like that. the same USB port uses two different host drivers depending on whether the devices plugged into it are 1.1 or 2.0 |
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| 01:29.13 | DeViLiSh | + peterS : well i have installed it but :s the screen stuff changed alot like i used to use gaim , and alot other software it changed alot |
| 01:29.14 | LootBeer | how come i cannot adjust the contrast/brightness of video in mplayer? |
| 01:29.23 | psywar | should/can I uninstall anything from that build-essentials before I try to install the kernel headers? |
| 01:29.30 | guestish | vercellone: Promise Technology, Inc. 20269 (rev 02) |
| 01:29.32 | zulu | the guides on the net are not really clear about that !! |
| 01:29.34 | psywar | or will it just overwrite it with sensible stuff |
| 01:29.36 | zulu | thx for support!! |
| 01:29.38 | directhex | DeViLiSh, they're the same. a couple of security updates, that's all. running r3, if you've run apt-get updated & upgraded, is identical |
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| 01:29.44 | peterS | psywar: no, build-essential is fine. the kernel-headers package doesn't conflict |
| 01:29.50 | hlp_me | ah. meanwhile i'm reconfiguring kernel. what opetions should i turn on, to enable usb devices and usb memory sticks? i have a laptop... which is probably usb v1.x |
| 01:29.50 | psywar | peterS: ty |
| 01:29.54 | doojin | I'm going logout |
| 01:29.57 | isga | Hi anyone here that can me explain howto convert mdf to iso? |
| 01:30.05 | directhex | isga, you can't |
| 01:30.18 | guestish | vercellone: its very well supported from what i can tell |
| 01:30.21 | directhex | isga, ask alcohol-soft for suport. |
| 01:30.21 | DeViLiSh | + directhex : i checked gaim not having yahoo or msn or irc , and the way of desktop changed under gnome |
| 01:30.23 | dvs | hlp_me Do you know the chipset of your laptop |
| 01:30.24 | isga | why ? seen mdf2iso |
| 01:30.35 | directhex | DeViLiSh, eh? |
| 01:30.35 | peterS | hlp_me: there's a whole "usb devices" menu in the config. if you have trouble finding that, you probably want to stick to precompiled images |
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| 01:30.57 | hlp_me | peterS :) yea, but what are the right options... |
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| 01:30.59 | Goldfisch2 | Is is a good idea to download kernel-patch-debian-2.6.9, to upgrade my 2.6.9 source kernel? |
| 01:31.09 | hlp_me | dvs p3-m itanium or something :) |
| 01:31.16 | psywar | I tried to install a clean 2.4.27 kernel but it took a day to build and then it won't boot b/c it can't find /dev/hda1. the 586tsc sees that device just fine so I don't know what's up. I'm kind of a linux noob. |
| 01:31.17 | DeViLiSh | + directhex : well i does vga play any configuration or change it ? |
| 01:31.27 | peterS | hlp_me: depends on what hardware you are interested in supporting |
| 01:31.31 | dvs | hlp_me: You probably want uhci_hcd |
| 01:31.35 | vercellone | guestish: what kernel are you running? |
| 01:31.39 | peterS | hlp_me: strangely enough, the kernel config process includes help texts for the options |
| 01:31.41 | directhex | !confuse DeViLiSh |
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| 01:31.42 | dpkg | No, those is their hamster today, DeViLiSh? wellies of the monarchy of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 01:31.46 | psywar | I'm not totally inexperiences though, I've built plenty of NetBSD kernels. |
| 01:32.02 | psywar | just getting used to packages and the build tools |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | psywar: unless you have a very specific purpose .. usually not worth building a kernel |
| 01:32.18 | Goldfisch2 | Is there a kernel irc channel? |
| 01:32.23 | DeViLiSh | + directhex : :s thanks for ur help any one give me any new idea |
| 01:32.26 | dvs | Goldfisch2: yes |
| 01:32.31 | guestish | vercellone: its worked 100% since 2.4.24 when i first got it, now im running 2.6.9 |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | #kernel oddly enough |
| 01:32.36 | hlp_me | peterS very strange i'd never guess :) also ther is documents directory |
| 01:32.38 | raid5 | in sed how do i replace non printable chars with space ? |
| 01:32.42 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: #kernel is for discussing user stuff like that |
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| 01:32.49 | Goldfisch2 | bos2: Tnx |
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| 01:33.05 | psywar | okay I installed those kernel headers, and now it's broken again. can I pm you the message? |
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| 01:33.08 | peterS | raid5: s/^[ -~]/ /g |
| 01:33.15 | hlp_me | dvs, lspcis reports USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 01 |
| 01:33.20 | raid5 | peterS, ta |
| 01:33.32 | dvs | hlp_me: Yup, uhci_hcd |
| 01:33.36 | peterS | hlp_me: that's the UHCI and EHCI drivers, as far as your host controllers go |
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| 01:34.02 | peterS | well, the motherboard *probably* includes EHCI, anyway. I can't remember for sure. |
| 01:34.11 | raid5 | peterS, that didnt seem to fix it :( |
| 01:34.22 | hlp_me | peterS i thought laptops have usb 1.x |
| 01:34.29 | peterS | raid5: sorry, typo. s/[^ -~]/ /g |
| 01:34.29 | raid5 | peterS, i got (hex a0) chars in file.. i want to get rid of them |
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| 01:34.39 | dvs | hlp_me: They may have USB 2.0 as well |
| 01:34.50 | peterS | hlp_me: newer laptops have usb 2.0. older ones don't. same as with any other motherboards |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | !tell orfeu about root |
| 01:35.01 | raid5 | peterS, sweet that did it :) |
| 01:35.09 | peterS | hlp_me: if you want to know for sure, do this: lspci -v | awk '/USB/{print $NF}' |
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| 01:35.31 | hlp_me | mmm... okay, uhci |
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| 01:36.25 | witless | so... kernel upgrade from apt-get - should i replace /etc/modprobe.d/aliases...? |
| 01:36.33 | bob2 | no |
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| 01:36.38 | witless | thx |
| 01:36.41 | doojin | I've seen error |
| 01:36.56 | doojin | I need someone's help |
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| 01:37.06 | doojin | directhex : you can help me for a while? |
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| 01:37.22 | DeViLiSh | can i make a cd putting the packages i need all in it and use it as packages cd , and uses the netinstall as bootable base system insaller ? |
| 01:37.26 | DeViLiSh | can i make a cd putting the packages i need all in it and use it as packages cd , and uses the netinstall as bootable base system installer ? |
| 01:37.36 | doojin | just reading error messages |
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| 01:37.48 | peterS | DeViLiSh: yes, if you're good |
| 01:38.03 | orfeu | what i must do to start a program when X is starting ? |
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| 01:38.05 | DeViLiSh | + petemc : any docs about those |
| 01:38.12 | tobehz | Is there a guide or factoid for mapping the thumb buttons of a mouse to act as backward/forward in popular browsers? |
| 01:38.15 | hlp_me | peterS whould you happen to know what stuf has to be enabled for massstorage devices besides the basic masstorage support |
| 01:38.17 | peterS | DeViLiSh: probably. poke around www.debian.org/devel/ and see |
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| 01:38.28 | peterS | hlp_me: SCSI disk support |
| 01:38.32 | peterS | hlp_me: back in the SCSI menu |
| 01:38.47 | hlp_me | why would i want scsi? |
| 01:38.48 | doojin | I need help |
| 01:39.08 | doojin | somebody help me reading error messages |
| 01:39.08 | peterS | hlp_me: because the usb-storage driver uses the scsi layer to present the USB drives as SCSI disks |
| 01:39.24 | peterS | hlp_me: or, for 2.6.10 and higher, you can choose to use the "slow and simple" non-SCSI driver called "ub" |
| 01:39.30 | DeViLiSh | ok peterS another question, i was surfing sf.net and i found a project about making live cd , i can create such right |
| 01:39.36 | doojin | directhex : can you help me read error messages? |
| 01:39.38 | peterS | DeViLiSh: don't ask me |
| 01:39.50 | hlp_me | peterS ah, neat. so i take it scsi disk support? |
| 01:40.06 | DeViLiSh | any one know any thing about create a live cd from my own system ? |
| 01:40.11 | peterS | hlp_me: there are two drivers for usb mass storage. one is 'usb-storage' and presents drives as scsi disks. the other is 'ub' and does not. |
| 01:40.24 | doojin | peterS : you use debian? |
| 01:40.30 | peterS | doojin: everyone here uses debian |
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| 01:40.43 | doojin | I failed to install nvidia-installer |
| 01:40.50 | doojin | with one-line blah blah |
| 01:40.53 | peterS | hlp_me: 'usb-storage' is faster, but has a few crazy bugs for odd hardware. 'ub' is slower but, being so much simpler, is *probably* more reliable for that odd hardware |
| 01:41.10 | hlp_me | peterS i intend to use usb-storage |
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| 01:41.22 | doojin | peterS : can you read some error messages? |
| 01:41.47 | peterS | doojin: related to what? |
| 01:41.54 | doojin | apt |
| 01:42.08 | dvs | peterS: He's mixing sarge and sid |
| 01:42.12 | peterS | dvs: oh, fun |
| 01:42.46 | kaplanfx | there was an article about building debian from source a week or so ago, I forgot to bookmark it and now I can't find it. Anyone know what im talking about? |
| 01:42.48 | hlp_me | peterS any other options? i do not know what chipsets my friends use on usb storage devices.. does that meani should turn on all the options? atlest modules? |
| 01:43.02 | topa_ | kaplanfx: try searching on newsforge.com |
| 01:43.10 | raid5 | peterS, where did you learn all this sed syntax :) ? |
| 01:43.27 | dvs | hlp_me: You're compiling a kernel for your friends as well? |
| 01:43.32 | insanekane | DeViLiSh, there are a set of scripts to achieve that .... go a good search for livecd scripts |
| 01:43.33 | hacim | how do I get lftp to work over ssh/sftp? |
| 01:43.34 | peterS | raid5: long study in a buddhist monestary in Tibet, with nothing to read all day long except "sed & awk" by O'Reilly |
| 01:43.45 | insanekane | DeViLiSh, do a google search :) |
| 01:43.49 | travisat | kaplanfx: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/10/1727246 |
| 01:43.50 | kaplanfx | topa_: thats where it was, thanks |
| 01:43.51 | hlp_me | dvs not for me only, but friends might bring usb sticks with some files over to my pc |
| 01:44.00 | hlp_me | dvs s/pc/laptop |
| 01:44.00 | DeViLiSh | + insanekane : i got one but it didn;t work :S |
| 01:44.07 | raid5 | peterS, hehe sweet :) |
| 01:44.09 | chealer | doojin: if you have *short* errors, paste them here |
| 01:44.09 | doojin | !tell doojin quick sid/sage mix |
| 01:44.09 | insanekane | DeViLiSh, umm .. |
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| 01:44.10 | hacim | bahhhh there must be a better way to copy entire directories over sftp |
| 01:44.12 | doojin | !tell doojin quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:44.12 | dvs | hlp_me: Different flavors of USB sticks don't matter. |
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| 01:44.19 | peterS | hlp_me: you may as well enable all the sub-types, yeah |
| 01:44.32 | insanekane | DeViLiSh, well, then u can try ibuild ... it works :) |
| 01:44.34 | kaplanfx | if I have a p4 its a good idea to build media packages (i.e. xine) myself correct? |
| 01:44.35 | peterS | hlp_me: just don't enable the top option under usb-storage, the one about "verbose debug", by mistake. it spews all kinds of log messages |
| 01:44.44 | doojin | somebody type the right spelling |
| 01:44.47 | chealer | doojin: that's telling yourself. better use /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix so we don't have to see your command |
| 01:44.55 | hlp_me | peterS yeah, i figured :) filling log files |
| 01:44.56 | insanekane | DeViLiSh, but it doesnt make a liveCD from your existing system ... rather it builds a new one from scratch |
| 01:45.00 | DeViLiSh | can i use any version of netinstall , and use my r4 cds packages ? |
| 01:45.06 | doojin | thanks for helping |
| 01:45.09 | peterS | raid5: seriously, what I typed is pretty basic regex syntax. any tutorial about regular expressions will cover what [^ -~] means |
| 01:45.13 | NosaJ | I was wondering why when I start X it doesn't load my .Xresource file? |
| 01:45.38 | insanekane | DeViLiSh, the main developer of iBuild is in #morphix |
| 01:45.47 | peterS | raid5: (basically: [ -~] means any character in the range " " to "~", which is to say, the lowest and highest printable ASCII character. changing [] to [^] means "everything except".) |
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| 01:46.02 | chealer | !tell doojin about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:46.20 | dondelelcaro | raid5: perldoc perlretut; covers this all pretty simply. |
| 01:47.14 | raid5 | dondelelcaro && peterS, thanks :) |
| 01:47.18 | peterS | dondelelcaro: perlretut might be a bit misleading if you're trying to learn sed. a few differences will creep in (: |
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| 01:47.36 | hlp_me | what options should i enable for the different usb keyboards and mice |
| 01:47.53 | flamesrock | hi, I have a question: is it a good idea to disable apm on a server? |
| 01:47.54 | hlp_me | just hid? or anything more then that? |
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| 01:48.07 | peterS | hlp_me: keyboard and mouse support in the input section. then under usb, you want "HID" and "HID input layer support" |
| 01:48.14 | kaplanfx | hrm |
| 01:48.22 | doojin | peterS : one more time #flood please |
| 01:48.33 | kaplanfx | that wasn't it, there was another article that talked about apt-build maybe |
| 01:48.35 | bob2 | flamesrock: doesn't matter |
| 01:48.59 | hlp_me | peterS yah got those. thnx |
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| 01:49.05 | flamesrock | so my server wont just suspend itself if I do? |
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| 01:49.30 | bob2 | flamesrock: it shouldn't suspend either way |
| 01:49.37 | flamesrock | ah tx |
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| 01:49.55 | elnovato | modprobe psmouse << that module will load permanently? |
| 01:49.58 | chealer | doojin: the one-liner *isn't* the nvidia installer |
| 01:50.05 | dvs | elnovato: no |
| 01:50.06 | b0om | hi |
| 01:50.10 | bob2 | elnovato: nope |
| 01:50.12 | dvs | elnovato: /etc/modules will |
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| 01:50.13 | doojin | chealer : ? |
| 01:50.18 | doojin | peterS : I pasted |
| 01:50.20 | kaplanfx | hmm I think http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html is what I was looking for |
| 01:50.31 | elnovato | dvs: oh.. so whats the work around to make it happens? |
| 01:50.37 | dvs | elnovato: /etc/modules will |
| 01:50.50 | elnovato | let me try |
| 01:50.58 | chealer | doojin: nvidia-installer is the name for what you could download on nvidia.com. the nvidia-installer is not in debian |
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| 01:51.15 | dvs | !ops KLoP is spamming |
| 01:51.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KLoP is spamming |
| 01:51.16 | tobehz | Is there a guide or factoid for mapping the thumb buttons of a mouse to act as backward/forward in popular browsers? |
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| 01:51.24 | doojin | chealer : you mean I have to install nvidia-driver after one-liner |
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| 01:51.45 | ElectricElf | (I wouldn't call that spamming, but "being a twit" is an equally good reason. :) |
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| 01:52.01 | elnovato | dvs: so i need to add psmouse to the modules file and reboot? |
| 01:52.07 | Ronin | more like wanking the monkey in the channel |
| 01:52.13 | chealer | doojin: no. you can install the _nvidia drivers_ in several ways. nvidia-installer is one way. it is not recommended under debian |
| 01:52.38 | elnovato | nvidia-installer works charming on debian, with kernel source and headers |
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| 01:52.45 | elnovato | at least on 2.6.8 |
| 01:53.35 | hlp_me | i have ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY with with 16MB dedicated video memory. What options should i enable in kernel to be able to have direct rendering? because wahtever i have right now only detects 8 Mb of video ram... |
| 01:53.47 | doojin | peterS : nice advice |
| 01:54.05 | elnovato | hlp_me: what laptop? |
| 01:54.10 | Goldfisch2 | I used nvidia-installer, and it did everything but copy the nvidia.ko into my /lib/modules/xyz folder. I had to pick it up and copy it the last mile. |
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| 01:54.20 | hlp_me | elnovato compaq presario 2715us |
| 01:54.35 | elnovato | hlp_me: same prob here |
| 01:54.40 | bob2 | see |
| 01:54.51 | bob2 | this further confirms my theory that banning ipt.aol.com is a good idea |
| 01:55.12 | hlp_me | elnovato you have exaclty the same laptop? here is link on product specs: http://tinyurl.com/64xsv |
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| 01:55.31 | hlp_me | elnovato did you manage to get the extra keys next to the powerbutton to work? |
| 01:55.51 | elnovato | hlp_me: i got a toshiba a60, everything works fine, but ATI |
| 01:55.58 | raid5 | any method to read chm files in linux ? |
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| 01:56.10 | hlp_me | raid5 xchm |
| 01:56.13 | raid5 | MS Windows HtmlHelp Data |
| 01:56.15 | raid5 | ta |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | !chm |
| 01:56.23 | dpkg | chm is, like, to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/ or use xchm |
| 01:56.39 | hlp_me | elnovato how much ram does it detect for you? |
| 01:56.44 | gcbirzan | nvidia-kernel-source works even better. |
| 01:56.46 | hlp_me | elnovato i mean video ram |
| 01:56.49 | gcbirzan | Wow. That sucked. |
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| 01:57.10 | elnovato | hlp_me: how to know how much ram detects? |
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| 01:57.25 | raid5 | whats your preffered mp3 player? xmms or something else? |
| 01:57.32 | raid5 | cant find nice skins for xmms :( |
| 01:57.39 | Goldfisch2 | gcbirzan: nvidia-kernel-source was great, until recently when the release 6629. I couldn't build nvidia.ko to save my life. I dropped back to 6111 and using the nvidia-installer from nvidia's web site. |
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| 01:57.55 | directhex | Goldfisch2, did you try module assistant? |
| 01:58.11 | hlp_me | elnovato cat dmesg | grep -i ati |
| 01:58.17 | gcbirzan | Goldfisch2: I've had no problems with 6629, it actually fixed the fact that 2.6.9 wouldn't load the 6111 module. |
| 01:58.24 | gcbirzan | hlp_me: Useless use of cat! |
| 01:58.27 | raid5 | i wonder in linux if there is a method to detect why type of RAM you got ...hmm |
| 01:58.27 | NosaJ | Why doesn't debian set the variables in my ~/.Xresources file at startx? |
| 01:58.32 | hlp_me | elnovato erm.. sorry yeah no cat :) |
| 01:58.32 | Goldfisch2 | I have been using fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image (is that module assistant)? |
| 01:58.47 | directhex | Goldfisch2, no. module assiatant is apt-get install module-assistant |
| 01:58.49 | hlp_me | gcbirzan i was catting the actuall log file but yes, i agree :) |
| 01:58.52 | raid5 | xmem86 does it? |
| 01:59.04 | directhex | Goldfisch2, it does complex things like justwork(tm) when you type 'm-a a-i nvidia' |
| 01:59.05 | gcbirzan | hlp_me: I assumed you meant /var/log/dmesg :-P |
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| 01:59.27 | MobyTurbo | nvidia's latest driver doesn't work on my TNT2. This is a known issue, they claim they'll fix it RSN. |
| 01:59.31 | gcbirzan | directhex: That's just damn cool. :-P |
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| 01:59.49 | hlp_me | gcbirzan yes, execpt i copy pasted, cause i was already in the directory |
| 01:59.53 | Goldfisch2 | directhex: Okay, but what do you get when you download that package? What is 'm-s a-i nvidia'? I was on the nvidia channel, and they were speaking of flaws in 6629, probably depends on what card you have. |
| 01:59.55 | elnovato | hlp_me: seems it doeesnt , i just got errors to detect |
| 02:00.04 | abrotman | do you realize how much quieter/easier #debian would be if nvidia/ati would just open source thier crap? |
| 02:00.08 | Goldfisch2 | I have GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP8x. |
| 02:00.16 | hlp_me | abrotman yeah :) |
| 02:00.25 | chealer | Goldfisch2: m-a, not m-s. it's an alias for module-assistant auto-install |
| 02:00.47 | directhex | Goldfisch2, module assistant controls the building of kernel modules in a rational way. m-a a-i foo asks module assistant to compile a .deb for foo against your current kernel, and install that deb. |
| 02:00.57 | hlp_me | elnovato does it give any output at all? |
| 02:01.08 | elnovato | does, but nothing about ram detected... |
| 02:01.17 | tobehz | Is there a guide or factoid for mapping the thumb buttons of a mouse to act as backward/forward in popular browsers? Nothing seems to work. |
| 02:01.39 | Goldfisch2 | That is what make-kpkg modules_image does. It generates a deb for each third party module found underneath /usr/src/modules, tied with the same version you built the kernel. |
| 02:02.04 | hlp_me | elnovato should say something like: radeonfb: ATI Radeon LY DDR SGRAM 8 MB |
| 02:02.06 | Goldfisch2 | That is what I was using to build 2.4 kernels. Something in the 2.6 build job didn't agree with my card and machine. |
| 02:02.09 | doojin | Reading Package Lists... Done..Building Dependency Tree... Done..E: Couldn't find package foo |
| 02:02.11 | doojin | damn |
| 02:02.43 | doojin | couldn't find package foo |
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| 02:02.51 | directhex | Goldfisch2, which is why you use module assistant, which knows about kernel-specific issues & how to avoid them |
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| 02:03.02 | NosaJ | anone? |
| 02:03.02 | JunK-Y | after an updatedb, any idea why locate file can't find "file", it exits in reality. |
| 02:03.07 | doojin | directhex : couldn't find package foo |
| 02:03.19 | doojin | I typed apt-get -t unstable install foo |
| 02:03.36 | doojin | I added sid in sources.list |
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| 02:03.46 | directhex | !foo |
| 02:03.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
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| 02:03.56 | hlp_me | JunK-Y cause locate uses database which is created mostlikely by your cron job with updatedb |
| 02:04.19 | kaplanfx | ok, they don't make this obvious. Lets say for instance I have kaffeine installed, now I want to build it from source using apt-build, will all the dependencies be built (i.e. xine and libs) too or do I need to find out all the dependencies and rebuild them myself? |
| 02:04.21 | Goldfisch2 | Did you let updatedb run? It takes a few minutes. |
| 02:04.32 | elnovato | no |
| 02:04.34 | peterS | kaplanfx: apt-get build-dep kaffeine |
| 02:04.44 | kaplanfx | peterS: ah cool |
| 02:04.45 | hlp_me | elnovato nothing? |
| 02:04.46 | kaplanfx | thanks |
| 02:04.59 | peterS | kaplanfx: 'apt-get build-dep' is like apt-get install, but reads the build deps for the package you wish to build and installs those |
| 02:05.03 | doojin | peterS : I typed apt-get -t unstable install foo |
| 02:05.11 | doojin | and saw "couldn't find package foo" |
| 02:05.17 | Goldfisch2 | updatedb takes so long, I usually background it, and check every few minutes until its done. But I only do this when I just downloaded something, and want to found out where it went right away. |
| 02:05.26 | NosaJ | ! |
| 02:05.30 | bob2 | doojin: it's almost as if it wasn't meant literally |
| 02:05.32 | kaplanfx | peterS: in the case of something like kaffeine this is going to end up building kdelibs though correct? |
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| 02:05.51 | peterS | kaplanfx: no. it'll install the KDE development packages, so that you *can* compile kaffeine. |
| 02:05.56 | CVirus | can i get the complete command with the set of arguments for burning an iso image with CDRECORD please :) ? |
| 02:05.58 | toresbe | doojin: "foo" is the first metasyntactic variable of hacker lingo |
| 02:06.01 | elnovato | hlp_me: i mean, there is no memory data in the grep |
| 02:06.04 | kaplanfx | peterS: ok sounds great |
| 02:06.06 | doojin | peterS : how to install foo? |
| 02:06.14 | doojin | there's no foo? |
| 02:06.18 | toresbe | doojin: so foo means install anything |
| 02:06.25 | directhex | doojin, "foo" means "insert something meaningful here" |
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| 02:06.33 | doojin | oh my god |
| 02:06.34 | bob2 | CVirus: um, you didn't read the manpage at all? |
| 02:06.35 | doojin | I see |
| 02:06.37 | JunK-Y | hlp_me: i did an updatedb manually before. |
| 02:06.46 | doojin | I got you |
| 02:06.48 | JunK-Y | it shouldnt be updated in tha way? |
| 02:06.49 | FieldySnuts | that's a lot of typing |
| 02:06.54 | kaplanfx | peterS: what if I want some of the dependencies to be built (i.e. xine should be built to get the performace from sse extensions etc...) |
| 02:06.56 | CVirus | bob2, i did but i couldnt combine the set of arguments :( |
| 02:06.57 | kristoffe | cant i use kde 3.3.2 with debian sarge? |
| 02:06.59 | toresbe | doojin: they are foo, bar, baz, and... wasn't there another? |
| 02:07.01 | kristoffe | newest kde.. |
| 02:07.05 | peterS | kaplanfx: then you'll need to build those things separately |
| 02:07.07 | bob2 | CVirus: then you need to be WAY more specific |
| 02:07.07 | directhex | !info kdelibs sarge |
| 02:07.09 | kaplanfx | peterS: ok |
| 02:07.10 | dpkg | kdelibs: (KDE core libraries metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 02:07.14 | doojin | one-liner doesn't work.... huh |
| 02:07.17 | directhex | kristoffe, it's already 3.3.2 |
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| 02:07.32 | ShadowJK | Doesn't xine get built with runtime cpu detection and choose the extension available? |
| 02:07.36 | NosaJ | !sources.list |
| 02:07.36 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to /etc/apt/sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list, |
| 02:07.55 | hlp_me | JunK-Y oh sorry i misread your question :) |
| 02:08.14 | JunK-Y | any idea why isnt updated ? |
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| 02:08.25 | jordo | What up debianites! |
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| 02:08.31 | chealer | kristoffe: it's not fully 3.3.2 yet but that shouldn't matter. #debian-kde can tell you more |
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| 02:08.40 | ngulu | is there any practical difference between "ln -s" and "mount --bind" ?? |
| 02:08.51 | Goldfisch2 | I just installed module-assistant. My sequence is like make menuconfig ; fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=<blah> kernel_image modules_image. What step(s) do I add/insert to this process for m-a? |
| 02:08.55 | johmathe | hi guys |
| 02:09.00 | directhex | ngulu, yes. |
| 02:09.01 | chealer | doojin: you just have to set an unstable source |
| 02:09.06 | doojin | hmm |
| 02:09.10 | directhex | ngulu, a lot of ptactical differences |
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| 02:09.23 | doojin | I thought apt-get automatically finds from all sources in sources.list |
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| 02:09.28 | directhex | doojin, the one liner assumes a minimum level of intelligence, insight, and common sense |
| 02:09.29 | johmathe | A little problem with expect |
| 02:09.38 | ngulu | directhex: i still use both |
| 02:09.44 | directhex | doojin, for example, paste your sources.list into #flood |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | a little problem with what i expect :) |
| 02:09.58 | chealer | doojin: it should |
| 02:10.05 | kaplanfx | peterS: is there a place that will list common optimizations to choose based on your proc, im unfamilar with many options in the gcc manpage |
| 02:10.05 | johmathe | I want to launch ssh |
| 02:10.06 | directhex | ngulu, good for you, but they're appropriate in completely different situations |
| 02:10.09 | doojin | ok |
| 02:10.21 | peterS | kaplanfx: -O2. maybe -Os. the rest are pointless in 99% of code. |
| 02:10.30 | kaplanfx | peterS: what about march? |
| 02:10.32 | johmathe | but with the params -fN, expect die because it think that that's done |
| 02:10.37 | peterS | kaplanfx: pointless in 99% of code. |
| 02:10.38 | kaplanfx | and cputype, etc |
| 02:10.51 | kaplanfx | peterS: even for encoding and decoding apps? |
| 02:11.01 | doojin | directhex : see |
| 02:11.08 | bob2 | you want -ffast-meth -fomit-instructions |
| 02:11.13 | peterS | kaplanfx: if the codec really wants optimisation, the hard bits are generally coded in assembler anyway |
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| 02:11.18 | kaplanfx | meth? |
| 02:11.20 | directhex | doojin, see where the one-liner says you need contrib and non-free sources? |
| 02:11.21 | peterS | !bob2++ |
| 02:11.21 | FieldySnuts | s/meth/math/ |
| 02:11.29 | peterS | FieldySnuts: no, it was a joke |
| 02:11.30 | doojin | huh? |
| 02:11.35 | doojin | what do you mean? |
| 02:11.35 | FieldySnuts | i see |
| 02:11.37 | bob2 | because compllying with IEEE is for wusses |
| 02:11.38 | kaplanfx | peterS: what about sse and mmx extensions, they are useless? |
| 02:11.39 | doojin | contrib and non-free? |
| 02:11.42 | directhex | doojin, that means add 'contrib non-free' after every 'main' in sources.list, to make 'main contrib non-free' |
| 02:11.56 | peterS | kaplanfx: gcc won't use them anyway, at least not for much, IIRC |
| 02:12.16 | kaplanfx | peterS: ok, then maybe my whole idea to rebuild these packages is useless |
| 02:12.17 | directhex | peterS, SSE makes a 3-4 fold difference in nmany situations |
| 02:12.28 | doojin | still don't understand |
| 02:12.29 | peterS | directhex: as may be. gcc still won't use it for much, IIRC. |
| 02:12.35 | kaplanfx | directhex: what about building xine for those extensions? |
| 02:12.45 | doojin | main |
| 02:12.46 | doojin | aha |
| 02:12.46 | doojin | I got |
| 02:12.48 | doojin | it |
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| 02:12.49 | kaplanfx | will I see improvements? |
| 02:12.57 | directhex | doojin, how much simpler can we make this? really? "edit a file, add two words to each line"? is that too hard? |
| 02:13.06 | elnovato | finally doojin, almost they expulsed me to help you |
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| 02:13.21 | doojin | I got it |
| 02:13.27 | peterS | kaplanfx: if xinelib was written with hand-coded SSE stuff, then you'll probably see improvements if you enable that. how to do so, though, will be something completely different from common gcc flags |
| 02:13.28 | doojin | directhex : I just didn't understand your sentence |
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| 02:13.33 | bratner | i have installed xfce but when i run 'startx' X starts with fvwm instead. What is the debian way to change window manager? |
| 02:13.35 | doojin | my reading ability was dumb |
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| 02:14.06 | directhex | bratner, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 02:14.07 | kaplanfx | peterS: so using apt-build to rebuild the packages will essentially give me no improvement in performance? |
| 02:14.10 | peterS | bratner: write your own ~/.xsession file invoking some xfce binary |
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| 02:14.28 | peterS | kaplanfx: no difference at all unless you configure the packages differently. how to do this in the case of xinelib I do not know |
| 02:14.30 | directhex | peterS, that seems redundant compared to using the alternative |
| 02:14.31 | FieldySnuts | kaplanfx: it can. but it'd barely be noticable, and unlikely to be worth the bother |
| 02:14.50 | peterS | directhex: the alternative changes the wm for *all* users on a system. that's silly. window manager choice should be per-user, so I gave the per-user version |
| 02:15.21 | directhex | peterS, nobody deserves fvwm as a system default |
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| 02:15.26 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:15.37 | directhex | bratner, there's x-window-manager as well if you prefer |
| 02:16.00 | Goldfisch2 | All you have to do is put that .xsession file in /etc/skel, and then every new account will get that as a default, with the power to override. |
| 02:16.01 | peterS | directhex: well, that may be. I'm just saying, changing a default system-wide just to fit your *own* preferences is shortsighted, unless you only have a single user who ever logs in |
| 02:16.42 | psywar | ok, so I have a debian system I just installed, and it fails to compile a simple hello world program that #includes linux/types.h. The only thing is, I'm not sure what is at fault. Can anyone help me? |
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| 02:17.03 | hetore | psywar: you're missing the kernel headers? |
| 02:17.07 | peterS | psywar: don't include <linux/types.h>, for a start. include <sys/types.h> |
| 02:17.11 | bratner | directhex: worked like charm. thanx. |
| 02:17.13 | peterS | psywar: also, install build-essential |
| 02:17.14 | Goldfisch2 | psywar? Do you have kernel 2.6.9? I know of a bug in /usr/include/linux/types.h. |
| 02:18.27 | psywar | hetore: I have installed both kernel headers and build-essential |
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| 02:19.04 | psywar | Goldfisch2: well, /usr/include/linux/version.h says it's a 2.6.0-test or something to that effect. |
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| 02:19.38 | psywar | But I've been plagued by problems in /usr/include/linux when trying to compile kernel modules |
| 02:19.49 | peterS | psywar: you do not use /usr/include/linux for compiling kernel modules |
| 02:19.58 | psywar | so I've been told |
| 02:20.12 | peterS | psywar: you use /usr/include/linux only for compiling non-kernel stuff |
| 02:20.16 | psywar | but the LKM code does an #include <linux/whatever.h> and that's where it seems to come from, right? |
| 02:20.25 | bob2 | no |
| 02:20.32 | bob2 | it should come from /usr/src/linux-whatever/ |
| 02:20.35 | IronGuard | I tried install debian to my computer, but it deosn't regonize my 160GB HD. How I can make my hard drive regonized? |
| 02:20.37 | Goldfisch2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.39 | psywar | do I need to -I /usr/src/linux/include somehow? |
| 02:20.41 | ngulu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.46 | bob2 | psywar: no |
| 02:20.51 | psywar | Goldfisch2: it isn't a symlink on my system |
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| 02:21.19 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: dude |
| 02:21.24 | peterS | Goldfisch2: in Debian it is not a symlink. nor should it be anywhere else. your information is about 6 years out of date |
| 02:21.24 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: it hasn't been like that since 1995 |
| 02:21.26 | punkrockguy318 | how can I rebuild a package? |
| 02:21.30 | psywar | and all I've done is install debian/sarge, build-essentials, some small stuff like screen and less, and that's about it. Why is my system so hosed? |
| 02:21.34 | bob2 | punkrockguy318: why? |
| 02:21.56 | psywar | I think something in build-essentials wrote some total crap to /usr/include |
| 02:22.00 | punkrockguy318 | bob2, i have a 3rd party package I want to use, but it needs to be rebuilt with my libraries |
| 02:22.21 | kaplanfx | if I didn't manually put a backage on hold, is there way I can find out why its held? |
| 02:22.37 | psywar | I was only able to get the LKM to compile if I made /usr/include/linux a symlink, but then it wouldn't load due to unresolved errors |
| 02:22.42 | peterS | psywar: you. do. not. use. /usr/include. for. kernel. modules. |
| 02:22.58 | psywar | peterS: I didn't write the LKM |
| 02:23.07 | psywar | go to asterisk.org and d/l the zaptel tarball |
| 02:23.09 | Goldfisch2 | The symlink in my system is dated Feb 2004, which is about when I loaded a knoppix debian distribution, so I didn't make this up myself. I know this isn't knoppix, but do you have any suggestions? |
| 02:23.10 | peterS | psywar: file a bug report, then. it should have known better. |
| 02:24.07 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: that is highly fucked up |
| 02:24.15 | bob2 | Goldfisch2: and I really really doubt knoppix made it either |
| 02:24.25 | IronGuard | I tried install debian to my computer, but it deosn't regonize my 160GB HD. How I can make my hard drive regonized? |
| 02:24.27 | psywar | peterS: how do I make it work? It's just doing a -I. do I need to add -I /usr/src/linux/include or something? |
| 02:24.53 | psywar | what's the normal way of building one |
| 02:24.53 | Goldfisch2 | bob2: What is the dpkg command where I can reverse lookup a file, to see what package put it there? |
| 02:25.00 | peterS | psywar: something like that. install the appropriate kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, then run 'dpkg -S' on it to see where it dumps the headers, and add a -I for that |
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| 02:25.18 | peterS | Goldfisch2: dpkg -S |
| 02:26.03 | visik7 | I got many |
| 02:26.11 | visik7 | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for <filename> |
| 02:26.12 | visik7 | and |
| 02:26.16 | Goldfisch2 | I found it: linux-kernel-headers-knoppix. If I uninstall this package, what is the plain old debian one to replace it? |
| 02:26.26 | visik7 | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 02:26.28 | Goldfisch2 | Just linux-kernel-headers? |
| 02:26.37 | peterS | Goldfisch2: build-essential |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | IronGuard: sata? |
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| 02:27.48 | directhex | Goldfisch2, you're running knoppix, and were com[plaining about debian packages not doing as they should? |
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| 02:28.29 | Goldfisch2 | Complaining feels like a harsh word...just looking for something information maybe?? :} |
| 02:28.59 | psywar | peterS: err, on closer inspection, it's a userland util that's #includeing linux/types.h |
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| 02:29.32 | jordo | I just bought a motherboard. |
| 02:29.39 | peterS | psywar: that's why /usr/include/linux/ exists - for userland utils. it's still a bad idea to #include <linux/types.h>, though, not least because it's not portable to non-Linux systems |
| 02:29.41 | Goldfisch2 | I typed apt-get remove linux-kernel-headers-knoppix, and it looks like it wants to rip out 65 packages. Is it safer to just load build-essentials, or do I have to bite the bullet and push forward? |
| 02:29.46 | nvz | imagine that |
| 02:30.14 | MobyTurbo | Goldfisch2: you can't replace knoppix with Debian just by changing repositories. It doesn't even use the same /sbin/init |
| 02:30.15 | peterS | Goldfisch2: we in #debian have no idea how the knoppix hd install works, or what it would hose for you to try to convert your knoppix machine to debian |
| 02:30.24 | psywar | peterS: but it's bombing out with syntax errors on said linux/types.h files |
| 02:30.34 | peterS | psywar: that's why it's a better idea to #include <sys/types.h> |
| 02:30.35 | jordo | I just bought a motherboard....and now I want to talk about it. |
| 02:30.37 | nvz | Goldfisch2: you have to stop asking a bunch of debian users about knoppix we have no idea, and dont care |
| 02:30.38 | kremlyn | !ping |
| 02:30.38 | dpkg | pong |
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| 02:30.51 | jordo | !ping |
| 02:30.52 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:31.05 | jordo | !tic |
| 02:31.07 | peterS | psywar: the days of including <linux/*> directly in userspace programs ended probably 7 years ago or so |
| 02:31.10 | nvz | Goldfisch2: go to #knoppix or goto cdimage.debian.org and get debian |
| 02:31.10 | jordo | !tock |
| 02:31.17 | BR_ | anyone know of a C function that sanitizes text for SQL input? |
| 02:31.17 | peterS | psywar: as such, it may not work correctly these days |
| 02:31.17 | floid | I currently have a Sarge installation on one of my PCs. When sarge is released, do I have to do anything on my PC to "upgrade" to stable? Or will I always have a "testing" distribution? |
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| 02:31.19 | Kerr | a freind of mine is getting kernel image linux26 not found, when trying to install sarge.. i've not seen anything like that before. any ideas ? |
| 02:31.21 | hetore | !seen abot |
| 02:31.22 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'abot', hetore |
| 02:31.28 | jordo | I just bought a motherboard....and now I want to talk about it. |
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| 02:31.33 | abrotman | Kerr: wrong image iirc |
| 02:31.34 | bob2 | floid: depends how you configure /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:31.36 | psywar | peterS: on closer inspectino, it's bombing out on <time.h> |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | Kerr: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 02:31.46 | bob2 | floid: if you point at sarge, you freeze with it, if you point at testing you move on |
| 02:31.50 | floid | bob2: its at default |
| 02:31.50 | jordo | !seen muffin man |
| 02:31.50 | dpkg | jordo: i haven't seen 'muffin man' |
| 02:31.51 | keith_ | Could someone please tell me how to put my dialup command onto my deskop instead of having to use the terminal screen. I use pon/poff and wvdial |
| 02:31.52 | peterS | psywar: <time.h> should be fine. assuming you have included <sys/types.h> already. |
| 02:31.54 | db101 | has anyone setup cyrus on debian |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 02:31.59 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:32.03 | psywar | abrotman was able to compile the same code just fine |
| 02:32.05 | bob2 | floid: I have no idea what the default is |
| 02:32.12 | psywar | it's something about my .deb files |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | psywar: you fixed the -I ? |
| 02:32.15 | floid | ah, ok. i see what you mean |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | psywar: oh .. lovely |
| 02:32.27 | floid | so if I point it to "sarge" I follow sarge from testing to stable? |
| 02:32.32 | jordo | !seen any females for weeks |
| 02:32.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'any females for weeks', jordo |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | psywar: did you think to look at apt-get.org for packages? |
| 02:32.41 | nvz | floid: yes |
| 02:32.42 | jordo | Hehehe |
| 02:32.45 | psywar | I just had an aha moment |
| 02:32.47 | floid | coool |
| 02:32.48 | db101 | has anyone setup cyrus on debian |
| 02:32.49 | psywar | AHA |
| 02:32.49 | abrotman | jordo: lay off the bot |
| 02:32.49 | db101 | ? |
| 02:32.56 | psywar | I KNOW WHAT IS THE MATTER |
| 02:33.02 | floid | and if I point to "testing" I always stay in testing? |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | ! |
| 02:33.06 | psywar | it is indeed something wrong with my .deb files |
| 02:33.07 | jordo | Abrotman: What's a bot? |
| 02:33.08 | MobyTurbo | jordo: /msg the bots |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | psywar: what you say!! |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | psywar: make your time! |
| 02:33.29 | psywar | when I was installing this, I was running on a motherboard that was throwing the occasional error |
| 02:33.30 | spdf | Macaroni! |
| 02:33.35 | hetore | lauch off every zig |
| 02:33.37 | psywar | sometimes IDE, sometimes segv |
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| 02:33.44 | peterS | move "BUILD-ESSENTIAL" for great justice! |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | psywar: not a good box for pbx :) |
| 02:33.57 | psywar | I replaced the motherboard |
| 02:34.02 | psywar | But I bet I have a tainted install |
| 02:34.04 | Kerr | he's using sarge disk one from the i386 folder, of the weekly disk image sets. |
| 02:34.10 | cire | what does "UDP: short packet: from xxx to xxx" mean, and may it possibly slow down our connection? |
| 02:34.11 | Kerr | i just used the same image today. |
| 02:34.13 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:34.51 | psywar | Kerr: me? |
| 02:35.04 | daft | udp is a faster but les relayable brother up tcp use for DNS look op or example |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | psywar: not you |
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| 02:35.15 | daft | cire, so i dont think it slows some thing down |
| 02:35.15 | psywar | oh,hmm |
| 02:35.25 | psywar | I think I'll reinstall from scratch |
| 02:35.27 | psywar | again |
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| 02:35.36 | psywar | "this time for sure!" |
| 02:35.43 | cire | may it be used to scan our machine in some way? |
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| 02:35.47 | JunK-Y | after an updatedb, any idea why locate file can't find "file", it exits in reality. |
| 02:35.54 | Kerr | though mine could have been last week's image.. |
| 02:35.57 | jordo | !seen the muffin man |
| 02:35.58 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'the muffin man', jordo |
| 02:36.05 | psywar | JunK-Y: yes, permissions |
| 02:36.05 | peterS | jordo: enough |
| 02:36.09 | abrotman | jordo: stop |
| 02:36.13 | jordo | Sorry! |
| 02:36.22 | jordo | Jeez....have a sense of humor |
| 02:36.26 | psywar | JunK-Y: updatedb probably runs as an unprivileged user, maybe "nobody" |
| 02:36.26 | FieldySnuts | piss off |
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| 02:36.35 | abrotman | jordo: it was funy the first time .. 5 years ago |
| 02:36.39 | psywar | otherwise you could use it to snoop people's directories |
| 02:36.47 | daft | cire: see udp as tcp it says nothing |
| 02:36.48 | jordo | I am only 4 and a half though. |
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| 02:36.55 | JunK-Y | psywar: i'll take a look. |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | jordo: you're begging to get kicked |
| 02:37.04 | jordo | My friends call me "Doogie" |
| 02:37.06 | peterS | jordo: for you, "the first time" was quite awhile ago tonight. you did not have to keep going with it |
| 02:37.06 | psywar | man I have to go to sleep |
| 02:37.10 | jiohdi | good evening.... I have a debian install from Knoppix.... is the 2.6 kernel ok to stick with for a while? |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | jordo: at this point .. you've not asked a debian question .. or done anyhting but harrass the bot |
| 02:37.27 | cire | so, why does dmesg tell me sth about short packets? I think this not normal. (is it?) |
| 02:37.30 | jordo | Sorry....truely....I'm easily amused. |
| 02:37.30 | peterS | jiohdi: you do not have a debian install from knoppix. you have a knoppix install from knoppix. |
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| 02:37.37 | sun_ | hi i did aptitude dist-upgrade and it says it got kernelimage-2-686. then it asks wheterh to erase the running kernel image and defaults to "no" since its "very dangerous" and so i said no. then aptitude just quits and doesnt finish the upgrades |
| 02:37.47 | jiohdi | peters. from what I have read, it is debian, no? |
| 02:37.56 | peterS | jiohdi: no. it is similar to debian. |
| 02:37.58 | elnovato | !usbmouse |
| 02:37.58 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
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| 02:38.10 | jiohdi | peterS, any insight as to how different it is? |
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| 02:38.19 | peterS | jiohdi: not really. I haven't used knoppix in some time. |
| 02:38.26 | Avantopia | something just broke my cdrom/dvd eject/umount in GNOME. I can't even get the umount cli command to properly unmount /dev/hdc ... anyone know what causes this? I have the latest Sarge. |
| 02:38.35 | JunK-Y | psywar: permissions of what exactly? |
| 02:38.44 | jordo | Does anyone know why Debian dists are released after Toy Story characters? |
| 02:38.53 | nvz | jiohdi: if you really need to know the difference, then you need to learn. Because debian is the difference. To learn the difference is to learn debian. |
| 02:38.54 | peterS | jordo: google knows |
| 02:38.55 | JunK-Y | running updatedb command, then locate, whats related to permission? |
| 02:38.55 | zinx | jordo: you have a better suggestion? |
| 02:38.58 | Ronin | the devs like good movoes jordo |
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| 02:39.04 | jiohdi | peterS, it uses Kpackage with all debian packages.... |
| 02:39.06 | Ronin | even if i cant spell it |
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| 02:39.17 | sun_ | anyone have problems with the new kernel-image-2.6-2-686 distupgrade from kernel-image-2.6-1-686 |
| 02:39.17 | spdf | Avantopia, Error? |
| 02:39.33 | jordo | Ok....I thought there was a specific reason... |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | sun_: i didd |
| 02:39.36 | abrotman | err did |
| 02:39.47 | Avantopia | spdf, I don't get one. |
| 02:39.51 | sun_ | abrotman: what did you do |
| 02:39.58 | daft | jordo, do you have debian apt sources? |
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| 02:40.08 | spdf | Avantopia, Are you not getting an error when you eject /dev/hdc? Or unmount /dev/hdc? |
| 02:40.09 | psywar | JunK-Y: file permissions. chmod. if you want to find everything, chmod -R a+rX / |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | sun_: shit a brick .. it was the fax server :) |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | err is |
| 02:40.17 | jordo | Daft: No....can't you download them? |
| 02:40.19 | psywar | JunK-Y: but I don't suggest it :) |
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| 02:40.37 | JunK-Y | i wanna the locate by updated |
| 02:40.44 | psywar | if you want your files to be found, make your dirs world-execute |
| 02:40.46 | Avantopia | spdf, when I eject /dev/hdc ... I mounted the dvd with a user (non-root) |
| 02:40.47 | JunK-Y | s/by/be/ |
| 02:40.58 | Madeye | hey karsten, I'm on ubuntu now :-) it works! |
| 02:41.00 | spdf | Avantopia, You can eject as root though, right? |
| 02:41.01 | db101 | has anyone setup cyrus on debian? |
| 02:41.03 | Avantopia | spdf, when I tried to umount it after using GNOME dvd creator it wouldn't umount. |
| 02:41.04 | psywar | chmod -R o+x / |
| 02:41.04 | daft | jordo, type base-config |
| 02:41.09 | sun_ | abrotman: would something awful happen if i purge kernel-image-2.6-2-686 |
| 02:41.11 | Avantopia | spdf, no I couldn't. |
| 02:41.19 | jordo | Daft: Why? |
| 02:41.22 | daft | jordo, go to apt configuration |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | sun_: probably .. are you running grub or lilo ? |
| 02:41.30 | sun_ | abrotman: grub |
| 02:41.31 | spdf | Avantopia, Nothing is accessing the drive? |
| 02:41.31 | psywar | of course, then anyone will be able to browse your files |
| 02:41.37 | jordo | Daft: Why? |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | sun_: basically . i had to go back to 2.4 kernels .. apparently initrd-tools is messed |
| 02:41.48 | JunK-Y | why chmod -R o+x / ? |
| 02:41.49 | daft | jordo, to see if there is a pizza in your box |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | or not upraded |
| 02:41.55 | nvz | jordo: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/footnotes.en.html#f1 |
| 02:41.56 | Avantopia | spdf, not that I know of. |
| 02:42.17 | jordo | NVZ: I didn't ask a question. |
| 02:42.18 | nvz | jordo: sorry bad link |
| 02:42.27 | nvz | jordo: yeah you did about toy story |
| 02:42.36 | jordo | NVZ: Oh.... |
| 02:42.45 | sun_ | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 02:42.54 | jordo | NVZ: sorry....I just wanted the simple answer....thanks anyway. |
| 02:42.56 | cire | my dsl connection is really slow. I just don't know where to begin searching for a misconfiguration, since this configuration worked for long, |
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| 02:43.10 | nvz | jordo: this is _THE_ answer |
| 02:43.18 | hazzern | i'm getting an error with /dev/dsp |
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| 02:43.25 | jordo | NVZ: what link again? |
| 02:43.28 | hazzern | its a sound related issue |
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| 02:43.31 | spdf | hazzern, What's the error? |
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| 02:43.40 | nvz | jordo: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sourceforcodenames |
| 02:43.49 | nvz | jordo: I copied the wrong link the first time |
| 02:43.50 | hazzern | the sound server cannot access that device as it is busy |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:44.02 | toomasr | i can't figure out what package i need to install to get the standard c library documentation so that i could write man strcpy |
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| 02:45.02 | hazzern | its debian 3.0r2 that i'm running |
| 02:45.20 | siimo | anyone play bzflag 2.0 from unstable? |
| 02:45.22 | Avantopia | spdf, I just rebooted the system because I could not find out what caused the issue. I don't have this problem now, I will keep an eye on the use of GNOME dvd creator, since after using that program I had the problem. |
| 02:45.31 | jordo | nvz: I know that the dists are named after Toy Story chars....I just wanted to know why... |
| 02:45.33 | abrotman | nvz: bzflag? |
| 02:45.45 | nvz | dpkg, debian codenames is <reply> Wondering what the debian codenames are all about? see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sourceforcodenames |
| 02:45.45 | abrotman | jordo: why do people name computers after comic book characters? |
| 02:45.46 | dpkg | ...but debian codenames is already something else... |
| 02:45.47 | siimo | it doesnt seem to work with alsa-oss wrapper |
| 02:45.51 | nvz | dpkg: cool |
| 02:45.51 | dpkg | it's spelled cool! get it right!! |
| 02:45.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:46.05 | nvz | dpkg: debian codenames? |
| 02:46.05 | dpkg | The codenames for debian releases come from toystory. For a list of possible future release names, see http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/faq/ftparchives.sgml?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=debian-doc&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 02:46.05 | abrotman | !debian codenames |
| 02:46.05 | dpkg | The codenames for debian releases come from toystory. For a list of possible future release names, see http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/faq/ftparchives.sgml?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=debian-doc&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
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| 02:46.56 | jordo | Abrotman: I didn't know that....examples? |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | jordo: seriously .. stop trolling |
| 02:47.21 | jordo | Abrotman: I am serious. |
| 02:47.25 | abrotman | no .. you're not |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | stop trolling .. go away |
| 02:47.36 | jordo | Abrotman: What do you mean...seriously. |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | fuck off |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | go away |
| 02:47.48 | jordo | Abrotman: What's your problem? |
| 02:47.55 | luciano_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.09 | abrotman | jordo: what do you want here? .. you're just being a pain in the ass .. |
| 02:48.21 | nvz | dpkg, debian codenames =~ s#http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/faq/ftparchives.sgml?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=debian-doc&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup#http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sourceforcodenames# |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | jordo: you've not asked any questions .. and contributed zilch .. and abused the bots |
| 02:48.42 | jordo | Abrotman: I am sorry if my questions are sort of remedial....but I didn't know that computers were named after comic book chars... |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | jordo: you're really a dumbass |
| 02:49.05 | jordo | Abrotman: Yeah....I know that....but I like to learn! |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | jordo: you're really a dumbass |
| 02:49.11 | *** part/#debian luciano_ (~luciano@200.115.196.22) |
| 02:49.20 | jordo | Abrotman: I KNOW! |
| 02:49.20 | nvz | damn it.. are /, :, and # the only delimiters in perl? heh |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | !tell jordo about fundamentals |
| 02:49.27 | hazzern | abrotman shut up :p |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | now go away |
| 02:49.33 | abrotman | hazzern: why? |
| 02:49.34 | nvz | I cant do that regex, cause there is all of them in there |
| 02:49.42 | hazzern | no reason |
| 02:49.49 | abrotman | then lay off |
| 02:49.59 | nvz | dpkg, debian codenames =~ s#http://cvs.debian.org/ddp/manuals.sgml/faq/ftparchives.sgml?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=debian-doc&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup#http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html# |
| 02:49.59 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 02:50.06 | hazzern | i'm also dumb like jordo :p |
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| 02:50.22 | abrotman | hazzern: great .. you don't have it oozing out your ears |
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| 02:50.44 | hazzern | how do i get over the /dev/dsp problem ? |
| 02:50.49 | nvz | dpkg debian codenames =~ s/.html/.html#s-sourceforcodenames/ |
| 02:50.49 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 02:50.59 | Ronin | wow must be a full moon the loonies are out in force again |
| 02:51.00 | orchid | siimo: there is a #bzflag |
| 02:51.00 | hazzern | its a sound server issue |
| 02:51.15 | jordo | Abrotman: I am obviously new to linux....I was being serious (except for the stuff with the bot, which I stopped). |
| 02:51.20 | nvz | that other url sucked, it was long and the information was garbled form of this link |
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| 02:51.29 | Kerr | Ronin: full wolf moon, actualy. |
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| 02:51.55 | Hezik | hello everyone.. i'm trying to install nvidia nforce drivers for sound. I downloaded the nvidia drivers from their website, but they won't install, they being the network driver and the sound driver. The logfile shows an error during make, both different errors.. I'm using kernel 2.6.10.. anyone got any ideas what to do? |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | !tell jordo about fundamentals |
| 02:51.58 | abrotman | so go read |
| 02:52.11 | hazzern | jordo its k hes only pulling your lef |
| 02:52.12 | nvz | duh I could have left the http: there and done that in one regex.. heh what a dumbass I am |
| 02:52.13 | hazzern | leg |
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| 02:52.28 | jordo | Hazzarn: HuH? |
| 02:52.33 | spdf | Hezik, And the errors are... |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | no . i'm not |
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| 02:52.59 | hazzern | meaning that hes not actually not this mean and cold :p |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | i seriously think he should read |
| 02:53.04 | spdf | Hezik, They may need a patch for 2.6.10 |
| 02:53.06 | Eagle101 | Hezik: 2.6.10 on debian? |
| 02:53.13 | jordo | Abrotman: I will read....sorry. |
| 02:53.14 | hazzern | u should read though |
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| 02:53.20 | siimo | orchid, yes but this is specific to the debian package in sid |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:53.22 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:53.39 | Hezik | spdf: for the sound driver: error: to few arguments to funcion remap_page_range |
| 02:53.45 | l3m | what does nviboot do? it seems there's no manpage for it... |
| 02:53.47 | hazzern | reading is very importatnt jordo this isnt windows where you could learn everything by clicks |
| 02:53.50 | deadcat | anyone internode.on.net? |
| 02:54.00 | spdf | Hezik, Sounds like it needs a patch for 2.6.10, a few things have changed... |
| 02:54.08 | Hezik | spdf (in nvmain.o) |
| 02:54.10 | hazzern | anyway me off :) |
| 02:54.14 | hazzern | c ya pp; |
| 02:54.15 | hazzern | ppl |
| 02:54.16 | hazzern | tc |
| 02:54.18 | toresbe | omigod, after we're through with toy story... star trek! |
| 02:54.20 | hazzern | good day |
| 02:54.24 | jordo | Abrotman: What do you do? |
| 02:54.35 | Hezik | spdf: well, i have installed it earlier on a 2.6.10, without problems |
| 02:54.36 | abrotman | jordo: eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast :) |
| 02:54.36 | toresbe | how cool would that be? |
| 02:54.42 | orchid | siimo: yeah, lot of people in that channel run sid and bzflag 2.0, myself included, but I havent had that problem |
| 02:54.43 | toresbe | Debian spock |
| 02:54.45 | Hezik | spdf thats whats weird about this |
| 02:54.46 | abrotman | toresbe: not funny |
| 02:54.46 | spdf | Hezik, in Debian? |
| 02:54.46 | deadcat | bootsplash patch from bootsplash.de failed when i patch 2.6.10, anyone having the same problem? |
| 02:54.48 | jordo | Abrotman: I taste like shit? |
| 02:54.48 | hazzern | hehehehe |
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| 02:55.04 | jordo | Abrotman: You eat shit for breakfast? |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | what if i do? |
| 02:55.11 | siimo | orchid, oh do you run it as #aoss bzflag ? |
| 02:55.11 | hazzern | jordo old r u ? |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | does that bother you? |
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| 02:55.14 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:55.14 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:55.14 | l3m | deadcat: hmm the last kernel bootsplash worked fine was 2.6.7 for me |
| 02:55.15 | abrotman | !r |
| 02:55.15 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 02:55.19 | Hezik | deadcat: did you apply any other patches?.. you might want to try fbsplash.. |
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| 02:55.34 | siimo | orchid, if i do that then it says no audio available |
| 02:55.40 | deadcat | l3m: 2.6.9 worked asl well. just 1 file failed. |
| 02:55.52 | hazzern | :) |
| 02:55.55 | deadcat | Hezik: whats fbsplash? better than bootsplash? |
| 02:56.00 | jcarr | oh boy.. they're going to have Riker and Troi from TNG guest star on Enterprise |
| 02:56.02 | hazzern | hehehehhe :) |
| 02:56.07 | hazzern | i'm 18 :) |
| 02:56.07 | jordo | Hazzarn: How old are you? |
| 02:56.19 | jordo | Hazz: Welcome to manhood |
| 02:56.21 | hazzern | sweet teens ;) |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | they're both idiots |
| 02:56.23 | deadcat | i dont count my age anymore. i have to think for few sec before answering that now. |
| 02:56.23 | orchid | siimo: did you compile it or use apt-get it? |
| 02:56.32 | siimo | orchid, apt-get |
| 02:56.37 | jordo | Abrotman: How old are you? |
| 02:56.47 | Hezik | deadcat: yes and no.. it was originally made for gentoo, it's more flexible than bootsplash.. search for 'spock+fbsplash' on google for more information |
| 02:56.47 | Kerr | I'm 19.. |
| 02:56.47 | hazzern | hehehhe deadcat its better that way |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | jordo: really .. go away |
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| 02:56.53 | hazzern | stop it man |
| 02:56.55 | deadcat | Hezik: thanks. i am on ppc though. (= |
| 02:56.59 | Deliverance | Hey need support :( |
| 02:57.02 | abrotman | i'd prefer both of them leave |
| 02:57.09 | jordo | Abrotman: I haven't figured out how to close a window yet....I have like 1000 open. |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | jordo: really .. go away |
| 02:57.20 | Kerr | !ask |
| 02:57.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 02:57.22 | jordo | Abrotman: I have a lot of ram |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | jordo: really .. go away |
| 02:57.24 | abrotman | jordo: really .. go away |
| 02:57.26 | hazzern | just type /part jordo :) |
| 02:57.31 | Hezik | jordo action -- run -- xkill, and then click away |
| 02:57.34 | Deliverance | Trying to install Debian with KDE and a Matrox video card.. |
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| 02:57.42 | Deliverance | I used the MGA driver but won't start |
| 02:57.43 | jordo | Hezik: I was kidding. |
| 02:57.53 | Deliverance | Should I bring an error message? |
| 02:57.54 | jordo | Abrotman: How old are you? |
| 02:57.57 | toresbe | jordo: As a Norwegian I found that funny. |
| 02:57.58 | deadcat | Hezik: would you say its easier to get it working on debian? over bootsplash? |
| 02:58.02 | toresbe | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | jordo: go away .. |
| 02:58.14 | Hezik | deadcat: i would say anything is a bitch to get working on debian |
| 02:58.26 | jordo | Abrotman: I was just wondering....jeez. |
| 02:58.27 | Kerr | jordo: he doesn't want to answer. Ixnay on the moronic repetition and leave already. |
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| 02:58.32 | db101 | has anyone setup cyrus on debian??? please |
| 02:58.33 | deadcat | Hezik: (= |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | db101: courier!!! |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | sorry |
| 02:58.44 | jordo | Kerr: Didn't you play for the Bulls? |
| 02:58.44 | toresbe | abrotman: time to call ops or stop flooding #debian? |
| 02:58.46 | orchid | siimo: sorry I dunno :-\ works fine for me, ask in the channel or check the forum http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 02:58.47 | JunK-Y | where's located the database for "locate" ? |
| 02:58.47 | db101 | dude comon |
| 02:58.54 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 02:58.54 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:58.59 | db101 | ive already installed cyrus |
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| 02:59.04 | abrotman | db101: i really haven't set it up |
| 02:59.07 | Kerr | jordo: try that one again, in english. |
| 02:59.07 | db101 | ok |
| 02:59.20 | Hezik | are there people present here who actually use nforce drivers on 2.6.10? |
| 02:59.32 | JunK-Y | where's located the database for "locate and updatedb commands" ? |
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| 02:59.48 | jordo | Kerr: ididntay uyay aplay orfay uhthay Ullsbay? |
| 03:00.16 | Hezik | junky: probably /var/cache/locate/locatedb |
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| 03:00.46 | elnovato | whats the module name for realtek 8039 ? |
| 03:00.51 | abrotman | mother fucker |
| 03:00.55 | jordo | Abrotman: What do you do for a living? |
| 03:01.04 | JunK-Y | Hezik: thx |
| 03:01.06 | debian | jordo: we don't speak english here /j #debian-en |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | jordo: jsut stop bothering me .. last warning |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | jordo: don't address me again |
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| 03:01.33 | jordo | Abrotman: I am being serious.....are you in the IT Industry? |
| 03:01.36 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.39 | abrotman | jordo: i'm fucking serious |
| 03:01.47 | bob2 | enough |
| 03:01.49 | Eagle101 | Guys, I love linux... |
| 03:01.51 | BR_ | does anyone here know of a string library/function for C to sanitize a string for SQL input? |
| 03:01.56 | toresbe | jordo, meet /part, abrotman meet /ignore |
| 03:02.01 | bob2 | BR_: your db layer should have that |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | toresbe: i try not to |
| 03:02.18 | nvz | abrotman: your buddy you asked me about earlier is back |
| 03:02.24 | jordo | Fine then....anyone else older then 12 and in the IT world here? |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | toresbe: if he really actually needed help .. i'd feel bad |
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| 03:02.30 | abrotman | nvz: i noticed |
| 03:02.30 | debian | jordo: make sure you read the /server guidelines beforehand |
| 03:02.30 | elnovato | !8039 |
| 03:02.37 | elnovato | !realtek |
| 03:02.37 | dpkg | somebody said realtek was a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller Works fine for me. |
| 03:02.40 | bob2 | jordo: stop trolling |
| 03:02.43 | JunK-Y | i really dont understand, im doing updatedb, and then locate "file", my file isnt indexed by the locate. |
| 03:02.46 | toresbe | abrotman: no you wouldn't, you've kept asking him to go away. |
| 03:02.48 | JunK-Y | what could be the trouble ? |
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| 03:03.05 | jordo | The only reason I ask is that I am trying to get a feel of how linux will evolve in the business world. |
| 03:03.06 | bob2 | JunK-Y: did you read the config file that mentions some directories don't get indexed? |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | toresbe: i'd still feel bad .. |
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| 03:03.11 | hazzern | jordo we have this wonderfuk channel called #2004 its made specially for you go ahead and join |
| 03:03.12 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 03:03.12 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 03:03.27 | abrotman | !tell orfeu about root |
| 03:03.32 | JunK-Y | bob2: /etc/updatedb.conf? |
| 03:03.33 | Madeye | !ubuntu |
| 03:03.33 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 03:03.37 | abrotman | why did apt stop with the root haslanded!!! ? |
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| 03:03.42 | debian | jordo: #2004 is obsoleted, /j #2,000 |
| 03:03.45 | deadcat | bootsplash 2.6.10 ppc anyone? |
| 03:03.48 | Ronin | ok abrotman just how many of those have you memorized anyhow? |
| 03:03.50 | elnovato | damn , who is playing iwht my modules?? why 8139 isnt loading auto anymore? |
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| 03:03.57 | jordo | Debian: What's that channel for? |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | Ronin: enough that it's affecting my sleep :) |
| 03:04.05 | Ronin | heh |
| 03:04.11 | hazzern | u can get cool stuff in there ;) |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:04.15 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:04.16 | debian | jordo: meet you there |
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| 03:04.29 | abrotman | Ronin: it gets real bad when you tell your mom to !rtfm :) |
| 03:04.34 | nvz | elnovato: Try to act a little more sensible here. Obviously nobody is playing with your modules or knows whats happening on your system |
| 03:04.43 | Ronin | abrotman: does telling your wife count? |
| 03:04.52 | JunK-Y | bob2: ive took the updatedb.conf from another machine which it works. |
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| 03:05.00 | abrotman | Ronin: no |
| 03:05.02 | psywar | life would be so much simpler if it came with source code |
| 03:05.09 | Hezik | junky try the updatedb as root or su |
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| 03:05.39 | jordo | Debian: Which channel? |
| 03:05.46 | nvz | psywar: first line says, always remember where you are at. and the 2nd says, seek and ye shall find |
| 03:05.49 | pucko | how do I change permissions and groups for devicenodes in /dev (when using udev)? |
| 03:05.50 | toresbe | jordo: #2004 |
| 03:06.05 | debian | jordo: scroll back |
| 03:06.07 | dvs | pucko: Change the permission files in /etc/udev |
| 03:06.07 | dbox | hey guys, could anyone tell me how to start sshd in the console? |
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| 03:06.32 | abrotman | dbox: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 03:06.33 | jordo | Debian: #2004? |
| 03:06.36 | Hezik | dbox: /etc/init.d/sshd start.. or something like that |
| 03:06.37 | debian | dbox: sh /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 03:06.42 | pucko | dvs, will that work once I reboot? |
| 03:06.45 | dbox | alright, thanks fellas |
| 03:06.49 | debian | jordo: nope |
| 03:06.51 | dvs | pucko: It should |
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| 03:07.00 | debian | jordo: it's obsoleted |
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| 03:07.13 | Fyron | How do I get KDE to use enlightenment as its desktop manager on a Debian box? I have tried making a script in the /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions folder, but it hasn't worked |
| 03:07.15 | dudes | If you compile something from source is there a way to get it to great say /home/user as "/" ... Probally a stupid question, but I've looked around with no luck? |
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| 03:07.53 | toresbe | dudes: ./configure --prefix=/home/user/something |
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| 03:08.20 | debian | Fyron: echo exec startkde >> ~/.xsession |
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| 03:08.20 | toresbe | dudes: and then make && make install |
| 03:08.27 | vision | hello |
| 03:08.30 | jordo | Debian: was that some sort of joke or something? |
| 03:08.50 | dudes | toresbe - haha, I knew that too. It's been so long since I've compiled anything (fancy part of debian.) A simple ./configure --help would have told me that. Thanks . |
| 03:08.53 | debian | jordo: I use no joke |
| 03:09.00 | vision | howi set my sources.list to d/l packages ? |
| 03:09.01 | jordo | Abrotman: Are you involved in Debian development? |
| 03:09.11 | Kerr | i'm going to bed. too tempting to abuse the massive well of uni bandwith available at 3am to destroy certain roadrunner users. Gnite all :) |
| 03:09.15 | jordo | Debian: What channel? |
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| 03:09.30 | elnovato | !usbmouse |
| 03:09.30 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 03:09.38 | debian | jordo: and I wouldn't repeat myself. Scroll back of just move on |
| 03:09.42 | debian | s/of/or |
| 03:10.01 | jordo | Debian: I went to that channel.... |
| 03:10.09 | Fyron | jordo: Erm... so what do I do then, if that was not right? |
| 03:10.27 | darkcmd | what is the local kernel root exploit for in the topic? |
| 03:10.27 | jordo | Fryon: huh? |
| 03:10.30 | hazzern | just stop talking i'm tired :D |
| 03:10.41 | Fyron | I am confused... |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | jordo: i'm fucking serious |
| 03:10.56 | hazzern | jordo what exactly do you want |
| 03:11.12 | nvz | is this a reserved IP range? 147.72.64.100 |
| 03:11.16 | toresbe | night |
| 03:11.17 | peterS | nvz: no |
| 03:11.21 | hazzern | if u want a chat with abrotman do it in pvt msg :) this |
| 03:11.25 | jordo | Hazzern: I was just wondering if anyone here was in the IT Industry.....and if Linux is a part of their job....that's all. |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:11.26 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:11.29 | darkcmd | anyone know? |
| 03:11.43 | debian | jordo: which one? |
| 03:11.46 | peterS | nvz: well, reserved as in, allocated to Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center |
| 03:11.52 | abrotman | darkcmd: follow the link |
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| 03:11.57 | Fyron | I don't see how echoing something is going to get KDE to use enlightenment... |
| 03:11.57 | jordo | Debian: Which dist? |
| 03:12.11 | debian | jordo: I'm debian not Debian damn it |
| 03:12.17 | darkcmd | ok |
| 03:12.22 | es | OK people, tomorow I'm going to buy a new computer. It will be with HD SATA any problem with them? what the most performant and most supported grapic card driver in xorg? |
| 03:12.31 | Hezik | ok another question regarding nforce2 audio.. is it correct that i can use the intel 8x0 drivers (which are in the kernel) instead of the nvidia drivers? should that work? |
| 03:12.36 | jordo | debian: Sorry.... |
| 03:12.55 | dvs | es: Debian doesn't use xorg yet so that's not a worry. |
| 03:13.07 | vision | which lines i should add to source.list to get packages ? |
| 03:13.12 | jordo | I just bought a motherboard today. |
| 03:13.13 | hazzern | jordo any specific reason there will be many in the IT industry and many who have linux as a part of their job |
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| 03:13.43 | jordo | I am an Apps Specialist with a fortune 1000 company....and they kinda frown on Linux.... |
| 03:14.05 | jordo | As a business solution that is |
| 03:14.28 | dvs | vision: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:14.29 | darkcmd | So 2.6.10 is an exploitable kernel because of the SMP |
| 03:14.34 | vision | thanks |
| 03:14.36 | Hezik | there's no such thing as a fortune 1000 company :P |
| 03:14.39 | darkcmd | well SMP users |
| 03:14.54 | hazzern | what was it then fortune 500 :D |
| 03:15.03 | debian | Hezik: I think I'm in a fortune 10000 company. :) |
| 03:15.05 | es | dvs, xorg/XFree86 I meant... Beeing that many people comes here asking for help fot this or that card I was wondering whats the best advice _before_ buying |
| 03:15.14 | jordo | Fortune 1000 |
| 03:15.23 | debian | jordo: you'd like to tell us which one. Admit it, it's Microsoft, isn't it.:) |
| 03:15.26 | Hezik | it's fortune 500 ;) |
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| 03:15.36 | jordo | No....I work for the Konica Minolta corporation. |
| 03:15.43 | Deliverance | Hi... |
| 03:15.43 | Hezik | Microsoft is a fortune #1 company :P |
| 03:15.52 | debian | Hezik: omg |
| 03:15.53 | hazzern | send me a camera this christmas |
| 03:15.55 | hazzern | i need one :D |
| 03:15.55 | Deliverance | Quick question if "http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=G4MIL16" this is my Graphics card |
| 03:15.56 | debian | abrotman: hehe |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | Hezik: no .. they aren't |
| 03:16.00 | directhex | es, serial ata is fine with sarge, if you don't want actual fast 3d & want to use open-source drivers, then a radeon 9200 is as good as it gets |
| 03:16.00 | Deliverance | What Driver do I need? |
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| 03:16.13 | Dewi | hmm. |
| 03:16.25 | orchid | if my sshd.conf has logging set to: SyslogFacility AUTH, what file are failed attempts logged in, I watching /var/log/auth,messages, failog, syslog, daemon.log and user.log and do not see them |
| 03:16.26 | jordo | Abrotman: Who is? Exxon? GE? |
| 03:16.31 | Dewi | does debian log my startup fsck results anywhere/ |
| 03:16.34 | abrotman | jordo: i'm fucking serious |
| 03:16.36 | Hezik | lol.. good to see linux ppl still get upset if someone mentions microsoft :P |
| 03:16.42 | toresbe | jordo: What you do there? wash toilets? Drink from them? |
| 03:16.46 | abrotman | Deliverance: mga |
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| 03:16.58 | Deliverance | Thanks |
| 03:17.02 | jordo | Toresbe: Only on fridays....I work on customer print solutions. |
| 03:17.23 | Hezik | or maybe even both ? First wash and then drink? |
| 03:17.23 | Deliverance | That's what I have been using... Get you another problem |
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| 03:17.24 | debian | jordo: I always think there's no real job involve in any work that titled 'specialist'....what is your responsibility? |
| 03:17.27 | hazzern | jordo i need prints of HOWTOS could u send me some ?? |
| 03:17.35 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:17.35 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:17.38 | jordo | Hazzern: For windows? |
| 03:17.43 | hazzern | man i'm really sorry |
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| 03:17.51 | debian | abrotman: you're a grammar nazi bot are you? :) |
| 03:17.58 | hazzern | no no HOWTO's are linux documentation |
| 03:17.59 | Hezik | anyways; obviously no answers here for my problem; gonna try my luck elsewhere.. u u u u u :) |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | debian: i think shorthand is for idiots |
| 03:18.12 | jordo | debian: I run our branch network, and design print solutions.....document management and OCR packages and such. |
| 03:18.16 | kirbymeister | It's called GNU/Linux! |
| 03:18.18 | Dewi | does anyone know if debian logs the output of the fsck it does at startup? |
| 03:18.18 | Hezik | ah thought you had a trigger on a single u :P |
| 03:18.28 | abrotman | debian: some stuff is ok .. like afaict .. etc .. shortening you to u .. fucking idiots |
| 03:18.29 | debian | abrotman: yeah, no shorthand or leetspeak in #debian |
| 03:18.36 | jordo | Hazzern: that's why I was asking....we have very limited linux involvement. |
| 03:18.51 | kirbymeister | !tell jordo about 1337 |
| 03:18.52 | Hezik | c4n't st4nd 1337 ppl? |
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| 03:19.13 | debian | jordo: .....so that's technical support in most other companies? |
| 03:19.16 | hazzern | jordo oh I see |
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| 03:19.40 | hazzern | jordo you could start off by haveing a look at the linux HOWTO's |
| 03:19.40 | Dewi | jordo : let me get this straight. you work for microsoft, and these guys want to know all about it? |
| 03:19.44 | jordo | debian: no....I work support the sales staff selling the machines....I work with software companies. |
| 03:19.48 | hazzern | they discuss everything in detail ;) |
| 03:19.55 | jordo | Dewi: I DO NOT WORK FOR MICROSOFT! |
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| 03:20.33 | kirbymeister | jordo: M$ = EVIL; PRINT EVIL |
| 03:20.37 | dondelelcaro | jordo: do you actually have a question that is #debian related? If so ask it. If not, kindly go elsewhere. |
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| 03:20.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he does not |
| 03:20.55 | dubzix | can anyone help me to fix this error: SMTP Error: Recipient not accepted. Verify your relay rules |
| 03:20.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he and hazzern |
| 03:21.03 | Dewi | I've got one... does debian log output of the startup fsck? |
| 03:21.03 | jordo | dondelelcaro: Sorry Don! |
| 03:21.04 | es | directhex I don't expect any performance under linux I don't need it but I use this host also to montage movie so I was opting for Geforce4. did you ear any bad with it? |
| 03:21.21 | raid5 | m$ with extra $s and Errors |
| 03:21.23 | Fyron | What file do I need to edit to change the window manager that KDE uses? |
| 03:21.24 | hazzern | abrotman i do have a question and i've asked many times |
| 03:21.26 | Dewi | I'm trying to find the location, but perhaps I'm looking for something that isn't there? |
| 03:21.29 | jcarr | Microsoft is a good company that makes a solid product. Complain all you want, the truth is that OpenOffice.org is not nearly as good as MS Office is |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | !tell hazzern about sound |
| 03:21.37 | abrotman | hazzern: man fuser .. man lsof |
| 03:21.37 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it only runs at fsck if the FS is not clean. |
| 03:21.47 | jordo | Abrotman: Were you serious before? |
| 03:21.59 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : hmm. how can I tell if it ran? |
| 03:21.59 | abrotman | jordo: i'm fucking serious |
| 03:22.05 | jordo | Abrotman: Oh....I see now. |
| 03:22.10 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : because I've had quite a few power losses lately |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | hazzern: i have serious doubt your problem really exists |
| 03:22.19 | darkcmd | doesn't fsck run every so many mounts |
| 03:22.19 | db101 | is anoyne good with iptables? |
| 03:22.19 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : I'd love to know if my FS is getting flaky |
| 03:22.28 | toresbe | Dewi: it might be |
| 03:22.31 | hazzern | what the .... are u some paranoid maniee :p |
| 03:22.33 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if fsck ran, and the fs was clean, it's probably ok. |
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| 03:22.40 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:22.40 | elnovato | ohci_hcd 0000: wakeup << now i got this flood on terminal.. how to stop it? |
| 03:22.40 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:22.47 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : I'm using ext3 now so hopefully it's more stable than my experiences with ext2 |
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| 03:22.59 | toresbe | elnovato: any USB units plugged in? |
| 03:23.00 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : yeah... but how do I tell that it was clean? the fact that it booted? |
| 03:23.19 | elnovato | toresbe: yes |
| 03:23.19 | elnovato | usd mouse |
| 03:23.19 | dvs | elnovato: We told you that u use uhci_hcd |
| 03:23.19 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it'll be fairly similar, actually. Journalling doesn't magically protect you from corruption when you pull the plug on filesystems |
| 03:23.19 | toresbe | elnovato: try unplugging them |
| 03:23.28 | toresbe | elnovato: oh, what dvs said |
| 03:23.33 | toresbe | night for real |
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| 03:24.01 | dondelelcaro | elnovato: or use setterm -msg off; |
| 03:24.14 | hazzern | idepci |
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| 03:24.30 | greg_work | i keep getting "client 10.10.6.25#32851: zone transfer 'domain.com/IN' denied" (on master) when trying to transfer a zone to a slave.. master is set with zone domain.com { type master; file..; also-notify { 10.10.6.25; } notify yes; } and client is set with { type slave; masters { 10.10.6.20; } } .. what am I doing wrong? |
| 03:24.32 | hazzern | !tell hazzern about idepci |
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| 03:24.50 | Deliverance | Failed to load module MGA_HAL |
| 03:24.58 | Dewi | so... how do I tell whether fsck found any problems? |
| 03:25.26 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if it booted, and found problems, it corrected them. |
| 03:25.44 | hazzern | whats the code name for debian 3.0r2 ?? |
| 03:25.44 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: you don't have an allow-transfers for your slaves. |
| 03:25.46 | jordo | Abrotman: Just to make sure....you are serious? |
| 03:25.47 | dondelelcaro | hazzern: woody |
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| 03:25.57 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can we please kill jordo ? |
| 03:25.57 | Deliverance | StartX says it can't find MGA_HAL |
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| 03:25.58 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@CPE-24-167-232-102.wi.rr.com] by dondelelcaro |
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| 03:26.04 | debian | !time |
| 03:26.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Wed Jan 26 03:26:04 2005 |
| 03:26.07 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : can I see what it was repairing / how much was broken? |
| 03:26.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | jordo: i was serious |
| 03:26.31 | hazzern | thanks |
| 03:26.31 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: sorry, i have it in the default options{} |
| 03:26.57 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: client 10.10.6.25#32851: zone transfer 'domain.com/IN' denied <- this disagrees with you |
| 03:27.31 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: is that supposed to be on the server, or client? |
| 03:27.35 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: on the server |
| 03:27.36 | greg_work | er, master or slave? |
| 03:27.42 | Deliverance | StartX says it can't find MGA_HAL |
| 03:27.50 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: the master. Since it's the one that is having the transfers running from it. |
| 03:27.54 | elnovato | damn usb mouse, refuses to werk |
| 03:27.56 | raid5 | greg_work, do you have multiple interfaces? if so check which interface bind is runinng |
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| 03:28.32 | Dewi | should I assume by the evasion of the question that linux does not log any kind of information that could tell me what parts of my filesystem might be corrupted, or indeed whether any could be corrupted? |
| 03:28.43 | Dewi | s/linux/debian linux/ |
| 03:28.56 | debian | s/debian linux/Debian GNU/Linux/ |
| 03:28.57 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no, it's not logged. If you care, just run fsck manually. |
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| 03:29.04 | Dewi | debian : hehe |
| 03:29.07 | Dewi | debian : thanks |
| 03:29.10 | debian | Ok, put down your flamethrowers, I was kidding |
| 03:29.35 | WiFiTux | someone has an idea on how can I host 2 domains (.com) into one server? |
| 03:29.40 | WiFiTux | one IP |
| 03:29.43 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: use vhosts |
| 03:29.45 | hetore | vhosting |
| 03:29.48 | WiFiTux | ahh |
| 03:29.56 | WiFiTux | is it complicated? :) |
| 03:30.12 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: no, so long as you don't want SSL |
| 03:30.12 | debian | WiFiTux: if you aren't concerning about webserver, just host it. :) |
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| 03:30.17 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : but it wouldn't boot unless it was already fixed... so it's not going to find any problems, is it? |
| 03:30.22 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yerp |
| 03:30.23 | WiFiTux | debian, say what? |
| 03:30.24 | hazzern | i'm haveing problems running X on 810 intel built in graphics card |
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| 03:30.38 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, cool. |
| 03:30.39 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: added allow-transfer, same error still |
| 03:30.41 | debian | WiFiTux: you can assign any number of domain name to an ip |
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| 03:30.49 | hazzern | so far i've sucessfully run VGA_16 Xserver |
| 03:30.51 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: use the paster bot to paste your entire configuration |
| 03:30.52 | greg_work | raid5: that looks ok |
| 03:30.54 | Deliverance | If KDE won't work what are the chances that X will work? |
| 03:30.54 | WiFiTux | cafuego, did you purchase already chickenfeet.com ? |
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| 03:30.57 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 03:30.58 | hazzern | but the colour isnt good |
| 03:30.58 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 03:30.58 | Deliverance | Gnome? |
| 03:31.01 | debian | WiFiTux: you just need little configuration change for your apache to distinguish them |
| 03:31.06 | abrotman | hazzern: upgrade to sarge |
| 03:31.18 | nvz | peterS: my dad is at someones house trying to setup a home network, I guess they have verison dsl.. he seems to think he has a router setup and one pc online so far.. but obviously if the pc leased that IP his router is not routing. |
| 03:31.29 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: I assume you've restarted the server, right? |
| 03:31.31 | dondelelcaro | s/server/master/ |
| 03:31.37 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: yes ;) |
| 03:31.40 | WiFiTux | debian, cool! |
| 03:31.45 | dondelelcaro | (well, /etc/init.d/named restart; or whatever) |
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| 03:31.52 | nirr | how i can remove all the Gnome packages from my machine ? |
| 03:31.53 | Codyman | hello |
| 03:31.54 | hazzern | abrotman i have a slow connection and there arent sarge cds available here yet :( |
| 03:32.09 | dondelelcaro | !remove gnome |
| 03:32.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 03:32.15 | Codyman | i am compiling an app and it wants to know where qt is.. where is the default location? |
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| 03:32.24 | WiFiTux | debian, very little? :) |
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| 03:32.28 | hetore | 89% [================================> ] 600,664,006 50.48K/s ETA 22:53 |
| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | Codyman: if it's asking for libqt, you don't have libqt3c102-mt-dev installed |
| 03:32.52 | abrotman | hazzern: oh well .. guess you're fucked .. i don't htink X4.1 supports i810 |
| 03:33.00 | hazzern | man :( |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | hazzern: check at xfree.org |
| 03:33.02 | Codyman | dondelelcaro: says it needs headers and libraries |
| 03:33.12 | dondelelcaro | Codyman: uh, which is exactly what is in libqt3c102-mt-dev |
| 03:33.24 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, probably this one? libapache-mod-dynvhost |
| 03:33.26 | hazzern | abrotman it worked fine on redhat 9 |
| 03:33.26 | Codyman | dondelelcaro: guess i'd better apt-get that one ;-) |
| 03:33.35 | dondelelcaro | or rather, libqt3-mt-dev |
| 03:33.46 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: you don't even need that... |
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| 03:34.00 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, then my friend? |
| 03:34.00 | Codyman | thanks dondel its downloading now.. |
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| 03:34.19 | abrotman | hazzern: oh well .. guess you're fucked .. i don't htink X4.1 supports i810 |
| 03:34.20 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: it's supported by default |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | hazzern: check at xfree.org |
| 03:34.23 | ruckerz | how do i override a package which warns me about not finding something in /usr/local? |
| 03:34.24 | Dewi | dondelelcaro : so basically... I'm gathering that the fact I'm booted indicates that a data problem is pretty unlikely? if there'd been serious question marks it would have asked me to do a manual fsck? |
| 03:34.28 | paster | "greg_work" at 216.221.73.198 pasted "bind configuration" (57 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/209 |
| 03:34.38 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: generally speaking, yes. |
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| 03:34.43 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, you have an idea how can I do it? or read specifically it? |
| 03:35.18 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: yes, the apache documentation covers it rather verbosely... |
| 03:35.19 | elnovato | curse you usb mouse!! |
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| 03:35.28 | wRd | hi |
| 03:35.30 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, :| |
| 03:35.32 | hetore | Hello |
| 03:35.40 | hazzern | abrotman are you suggesting a patch ?? |
| 03:35.41 | Codyman | ok donde.. now I get this error: checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 03:35.41 | Codyman | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 03:35.41 | Codyman | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 03:35.57 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: <VirtualHost *> ServerName foobar.com\n ServerAlias *.foobar.com\nDocumentRoot blabblahblah\n</VirtualHost> |
| 03:36.05 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/209 |
| 03:36.20 | wRd | does anyone know a programm, that makes rightclick startmenues like in xfce4-desktop-manager but doesnt need a window ? |
| 03:36.22 | abrotman | hazzern: no |
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| 03:36.25 | abrotman | i'm suggesting you upgrade |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | or read the damn docs |
| 03:36.36 | greg_work | er, don't tell me that allow-transfer in the domain is overriding the default.. |
| 03:36.49 | zaydana | I'm using 3.0r2, and for some reason X is starting at a resolution with twice the height, but the bottom part is off the screen like it expects there to be two moniters |
| 03:36.54 | zaydana | anybody got any ideas? |
| 03:37.00 | hazzern | abrotman what if i cant upgrade ? |
| 03:37.07 | abrotman | then you're stuck |
| 03:37.08 | abrotman | deal with it |
| 03:37.10 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: the allow transfer for the domain.com domain will override the default. |
| 03:37.22 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: yeah, that just fixed it. :p |
| 03:37.48 | maher | ssh question: can i run protocol 1 access on localhost only? |
| 03:37.53 | greg_work | dondelelcaro: thanks anyways |
| 03:38.00 | WiFiTux | I need to reconfigure apache and select the mod_vhost right? |
| 03:38.03 | dondelelcaro | greg_work: np |
| 03:38.06 | hazzern | whats the version that came with sarge ?? |
| 03:38.09 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, |
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| 03:39.03 | drum | Hi, I'm a newbie and installing Debian 3.0 and couldn't get a graphical interface so i apt'd midnight commander and want to know how to find a file to configure my graphics setup without having to re-install Debian. any help will be great |
| 03:39.06 | hazzern | whats the version of XFree86 that came with sarge ?? |
| 03:39.13 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/ for more documentation than you can shake a fist at |
| 03:39.19 | dondelelcaro | !info xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 03:39.25 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 5577 kB, Installed size: 15568 kB |
| 03:39.25 | dondelelcaro | hazzern: ^^^^ |
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| 03:39.34 | hazzern | thanks :) |
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| 03:39.42 | hetore | !info kde sarge |
| 03:39.44 | maher | drum: try dpkg-reocnfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:39.45 | dpkg | kde: (The K Desktop Environment), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:43 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 03:40.03 | hetore | kde takes more space than that! |
| 03:40.10 | timzter_ | I was on sbcglobal.net before (DSL, PPPoE) and now using Cox (Cable modem, always on). My server is 'visible' on nslookup, and i can access the webserver from home (where the box is), but can't access the webserver from outside. Any ideas? |
| 03:40.20 | Codyman | i am getting an error saying that there are no kde headers in the prefix i've "chosen" |
| 03:40.33 | dondelelcaro | timzter_: what's the ip? is 80 being blocked? |
| 03:40.43 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks. |
| 03:40.45 | maher | hetore: its a dummy package that depends on stuff |
| 03:40.54 | hetore | o |
| 03:40.58 | timzter_ | dondelelcaro: server is www.gnotch.com |
| 03:41.12 | maher | timzter_: try a random port |
| 03:41.14 | timzter_ | ip is currently 24.255.101.26 |
| 03:41.17 | hazzern | dondelelcaro do u think there will be a dependency problem cause i'm running debian 3.0r2 ? |
| 03:41.39 | dondelelcaro | hazzern: yes. You'll have to upgrade if you actually want to run packages from sarge. |
| 03:41.49 | hazzern | :( k |
| 03:42.14 | timzter_ | hmm yes it looks like Cox blocks port 80 |
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| 03:42.23 | timzter_ | i can telnet to it at port 25 |
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| 03:42.47 | dondelelcaro | timzter_: 80/tcp filtered http |
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| 03:43.05 | timzter_ | dondelelcaro: there's nothing I can do except use a different port? |
| 03:43.18 | dondelelcaro | timzter_: well, besides complaining to your cable provider, yeah... |
| 03:43.27 | maher | timzter_: that is correct |
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| 03:43.50 | timzter_ | can apache be configured such that if I type http://www.gnotch.com without any port number that it DEFAULTs to port, say, 84 ? |
| 03:44.00 | dondelelcaro | timzter_: nope... |
| 03:44.03 | timzter_ | grr |
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| 03:44.23 | dondelelcaro | timzter_: this is why this whole "blocking ports" thing is so annoying |
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| 03:45.01 | dondelelcaro | timzter_: sometimes calling them up and telling them that you're unhappy that your port has been blocked and that you're going to switch service providers if they don't enable it will get things to happen |
| 03:45.19 | maher | dondelelcaro: with cox? i'd be impressed |
| 03:45.34 | timzter_ | ok I will try that! |
| 03:45.38 | drum | maher: thanks, that worked. I don't know what graphics card I've got and I've tried vesa and vga and they don't work. Is there a more generic one? thanks |
| 03:45.39 | maher | dondelelcaro: tell em you wouldn't sign up even if you could! |
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| 03:45.46 | RedPenguin | Hello. |
| 03:45.48 | FsckIt | dondelelcaro: which port is blocked? |
| 03:46.01 | dondelelcaro | FsckIt: at my house? 25, 80, 54 and a few others. |
| 03:46.02 | hazzern | dondelelcaro i cant get dsl 2 i'm running dial up :) |
| 03:46.04 | maher | drum: lspci should tell you which graphics card |
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| 03:46.18 | FsckIt | dondelelcaro: which one is causing you problems? |
| 03:46.34 | kremlyn | Question: In sarge, there was a problem with the MySQL packages. I emailed the package maintainer and he said that it was upstream, and that new packages were in 'Sid', and would eventually filter from Sid to 'Sarge'. My question is, when thishappens will the version number be incremented so aptitude will pick up the newly available package? |
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| 03:47.07 | dondelelcaro | FsckIt: eh? I really don't have problems with it, perse... but sometimes I want to run experimental things, like nstx which work through dns, or strange httpd servers... annoying to have to use nonstandard ports |
| 03:47.12 | RedPenguin | I know this may sound silly, but I am trying to figure this out. I found and installed ftape-sources on my Debian machine since I have an Iomega Ditto 2GB Paraell, but I haven't been able to find docs on what to do after the dphk -i of ftape-sources. |
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| 03:47.29 | FsckIt | dondelelcaro: oh, ok |
| 03:48.09 | maher | kremlyn: yes |
| 03:48.38 | kremlyn | maher: Thanks :-) |
| 03:49.10 | maher | kremlyn: if mysql doesn't depend on much else you might even be able to install the sid packages now |
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| 03:49.34 | kremlyn | maher: How will that interact/affect the system? |
| 03:50.07 | RedPenguin | I take it that ftape isn't that popular. |
| 03:50.15 | hazzern | i've tried installing redhat and debian on the same box but debian keeps takeing over redhat any idea why ? |
| 03:50.26 | maher | kremlyn: urm... if you just wait a bit it will turn up in testing |
| 03:50.29 | hazzern | i've installed on different partations |
| 03:50.37 | maher | hazzern: good taste |
| 03:50.56 | kremlyn | maher: Yeah.. :-) Duno how it made it to testing with the current problem, MySQL doesn't even start |
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| 03:51.03 | kremlyn | Without skip-bdb in my.cnf |
| 03:51.04 | maher | hazzern: you need to fix the boot loader so it will boot both |
| 03:51.13 | hazzern | like grub ? |
| 03:51.26 | hazzern | k got it :) |
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| 03:51.59 | hazzern | i've asked too many stupid questions for a day :) |
| 03:52.05 | hazzern | thanks everyone |
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| 03:52.16 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, would you do it with a ServerAlias or with the whole config mentioning both domains? |
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| 03:53.20 | elnovato | who has a laptop toshiba a40 here working with a usb mouse? |
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| 03:53.42 | maher | elnovato: do you have hotplug installed |
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| 03:54.17 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, where can I get the sarge mini-install? |
| 03:54.30 | elnovato | yes |
| 03:54.34 | elnovato | maher: yes |
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| 03:55.14 | maher | elnovato: do cat /dev/input/mice and waggle the mouse |
| 03:55.25 | dvs | waggle? |
| 03:55.45 | FsckIt | dvs: move in a random manner |
| 03:55.47 | maher | dvs: shake ya booty |
| 03:55.53 | dvs | ha! |
| 03:55.54 | elnovato | maher: done, but cat /dev/input/mice works with the touchpad, not with the usb mouse! |
| 03:56.26 | maher | elnovato: does the mouse show up in lsusb |
| 03:56.29 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: same place as the regular |
| 03:56.31 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 03:56.31 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 03:56.32 | zinx | elnovato: if you have the drivers for your usb mouse, it should work with the usb mouse too |
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| 03:57.00 | kremlyn | maher: If I install the 'Sid' mysql packages, either by downloading the .debs and all dependencies manually, or by changing sources to sid, what would be the steps i should take when the package becomes available in testing? |
| 03:57.06 | elnovato | maher: lsusb shows nothing |
| 03:57.19 | elnovato | its an usb genious simple mice |
| 03:57.24 | maher | kreg: if it installs just on its own you won't need to do anything |
| 03:57.34 | Led_Zeppelin | kremlyn: use postgresql :-) |
| 03:57.49 | kremlyn | Led_Zeppelin: I would, if the software I was using would support it. |
| 03:57.50 | maher | elnovato: when you restart hotplug does it see the mouse |
| 03:58.19 | kremlyn | maher: But to keep track of the mysql package using apt, surely I'll need to do something special if I go installing packages from another version |
| 03:58.20 | maher | kremlyn: but what's more likely is the mysql dependson loads of other things and won't just install on testing |
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| 03:58.49 | elnovato | no maher |
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| 03:59.04 | kremlyn | As far as I can see, mysql has no big dependencies, just mysql-client/server/common |
| 03:59.07 | FsckIt | kremlyn: can I ask what software you are using? |
| 03:59.12 | maher | kremlyn: apt will install the most recent package - if the one youhave is newer it will leave it alone |
| 03:59.14 | kremlyn | FsckIt: plog |
| 03:59.18 | dondelelcaro | kremlyn: yes, but you need to follow the dependencies of those packages as well |
| 03:59.31 | kremlyn | dondelelcaro: I did.. in aptitude.. |
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| 03:59.35 | bchoward | What is the Debian Way (tm) to have a static route loaded at boot |
| 03:59.40 | dondelelcaro | kremlyn: since libmysqlclient10 for example, depends on a lot of things |
| 03:59.52 | dondelelcaro | bchoward: add it to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 03:59.57 | maher | elnovato: do you have a usb mouse module |
| 04:00.09 | bchoward | just tack it right on the bottom? |
| 04:00.22 | bchoward | as I would type it into my shell? |
| 04:00.29 | maher | elnovato: probably mousedev |
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| 04:00.56 | dondelelcaro | bchoward: no, man 5 interfaces; for the format. |
| 04:01.00 | kremlyn | dondelelcaro: Ahh, fair enough. I guess without knowing 100% what I'm doing, I should not deviate from one distro and packages for said distro. |
| 04:01.03 | bchoward | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 04:01.13 | elnovato | i did modprobe mousedev && modprobe usbmouse , still doent see the usb device |
| 04:01.22 | maher | kremlyn: does a previous version of mysql work? you could just downgrade |
| 04:01.27 | dondelelcaro | bchoward: you can add it like you would type it into your shell if it's more complex using the up commands |
| 04:01.52 | maher | elnovato: rmmod usbmouse and don't use it |
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| 04:02.14 | maher | elnovato: you need usbhid as well |
| 04:02.28 | greg_work | can someone who runs slapd give me a sane loglevel value? i see too many debug-type messages in syslog |
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| 04:02.38 | maher | elnovato: usbmouse should be blacklisted by hotplug |
| 04:02.49 | kremlyn | maher: Nah, both versions in 'sarge' have the same problem. |
| 04:02.55 | kremlyn | It's no biggie, there is a workaround. |
| 04:03.00 | elnovato | how to "unblacklist" it? |
| 04:03.04 | maher | kremlyn: the new version should turn up in < 10 days |
| 04:03.21 | kremlyn | maher: Yeah, that's what the maintainer said :-) |
| 04:03.23 | maher | elnovato: you don't want to use usbmouse - you want to use mousedv |
| 04:03.44 | bchoward | dondelelcaro: the manpage for interfaces says nothing about static routes - I can just tack something like "route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0" onto the bottom? |
| 04:03.45 | DarknessX | there's a stream online I'd like to download and listen to later. The stream comes in realmedia (.rm) and Windows Media Player (.asx in 56k and 100k). I'd like to set a time to turn on, a time to turn off, and have it encoded to an mp3. Is there an all-in-one sort of program that can help out with this, or do I have to hack around the manpage of mplayer for a while? |
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| 04:04.29 | RainbowW | is there a package that will encode vob to mpeg? non-free is okay ... and yes, the videos in question are legal. |
| 04:04.29 | elnovato | so what i need to do that? |
| 04:04.36 | bchoward | dondelelcaro: never mind - I have it figured out |
| 04:04.40 | bchoward | dondelelcaro: thank you for your help |
| 04:04.53 | hetore | Ra1stlin: transcode maybe? dvd::rip may be what you're looking for |
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| 04:05.07 | maher | elnovato: rmmod usbmouse ; modprobe mousedev usbhid - see if it works |
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| 04:05.26 | skot | are you talking about getting a usb mouse to work? i sure need help with that. |
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| 04:05.45 | peterS | skot: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
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| 04:05.56 | skot | i did that already |
| 04:06.07 | skot | did exactly as dpkg said and it still didn't work. |
| 04:06.34 | elnovato | doesnt :( |
| 04:06.49 | skot | don't notn't |
| 04:06.53 | maher | skot: cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse |
| 04:07.00 | elnovato | how can i know if the kernel can detec or use usb devices? |
| 04:07.11 | elnovato | maher: i did it , still usb mouse death |
| 04:07.13 | peterS | elnovato: install usbutils and run lsusb |
| 04:07.26 | elnovato | peterS: already have it |
| 04:07.36 | skot | coo, i'll have to try that. |
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| 04:09.03 | elnovato | peterS: doesn show anything lsusb |
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| 04:09.05 | b0om | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:09.23 | maher | elnovato: do you have any other usb devices? |
| 04:09.30 | peterS | elnovato: then you don't have the right kernel support loaded, or perhaps /proc/bus/usb/ isn't mounted |
| 04:09.30 | dvs | elnovato: lsmod | grep hcd |
| 04:10.05 | elnovato | lsmod | grep hcd << shows nothing |
| 04:10.15 | dvs | elnovato: You have no USB driver loaded |
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| 04:10.31 | elnovato | i did the moprobe thing |
| 04:10.46 | dvs | elnovato: Did it have any error messages? |
| 04:10.56 | elnovato | no, everything fine |
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| 04:11.28 | dvs | elnovato: Then lsmod | grep hcd should show something unless it's compiled directly into the kernel. |
| 04:11.49 | maher | elnovato: what kernel are you using |
| 04:11.57 | elnovato | how to know if its directly compiled? |
| 04:12.05 | skot | why is it that hotplug doesn't automatically catch a usb mouse? |
| 04:12.15 | elnovato | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 04:12.15 | skot | or do i misunderstand what hotplug is? |
| 04:12.43 | maher | skot: hotplug should find it |
| 04:13.00 | skot | how to i poke hotplug to make it find it, then? |
| 04:13.15 | maher | skot: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 04:13.20 | skot | ah. ok. |
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| 04:13.35 | elnovato | 2.6.8-1-386 << this is the last kernel or i need to upgrade? |
| 04:13.40 | elnovato | its an image |
| 04:14.03 | maher | elnovato: try modprobe ehci_hcd ohci_hcd uhci_hcd |
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| 04:14.19 | dvs | elnovato: as root |
| 04:14.58 | peterS | maher: one module per modprobe, please |
| 04:15.05 | peterS | maher: the rest will end up as module arguments |
| 04:15.41 | elnovato | yeah, now works! |
| 04:15.50 | maher | peterS: i guess it sbeen a while since i manually needed to laod a module... |
| 04:15.56 | elnovato | seems somebody sabotajed the modules |
| 04:16.13 | peterS | maher: note that in the mirrored situation with 'rmmod', you *can* send multiple module arguments |
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| 04:16.26 | maher | elnovato: mine get loaded - try installing discover or something |
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| 04:17.31 | elnovato | what did you said? |
| 04:17.50 | elnovato | maher: |
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| 04:18.30 | findme | which other utility other than dvgrab, kino , cinlerra is there for recording from camcorders ? |
| 04:18.53 | elnovato | how to load the modules by default when i turn on the laptop_ |
| 04:18.54 | elnovato | ? |
| 04:19.02 | maher | elnovato: something loads the right modules for me at boot - i thought is was hotplug |
| 04:19.26 | maher | elnovato: adding them to /etc/modules will work |
| 04:19.33 | elnovato | cool |
| 04:19.52 | skot | sabotage |
| 04:19.56 | elnovato | modprove mousedev , right? |
| 04:20.00 | skot | oh, that was way up there |
| 04:20.03 | skot | oops |
| 04:20.13 | maher | elnovato: no - just add a list of the modules you want loaded |
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| 04:20.31 | elnovato | its mousedev righ_ |
| 04:20.33 | elnovato | ? |
| 04:20.44 | peterS | elnovato: for a USB mouse? both 'mousedev' and 'hid' |
| 04:20.54 | peterS | elnovato: or, for 2.6 kernels, 'mousedev' and 'usbhid' |
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| 04:20.55 | maher | elnovato: you need the *hcd one |
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| 04:21.09 | elnovato | another noobie question, how to reset the tasks on aptitude? |
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| 04:21.26 | kingk | what do mean reset the task? |
| 04:21.28 | drac | elnovato: echi_hcd for usb 2.0 and uchi_hcd for usb 1.1 |
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| 04:22.14 | gameover | how do i add an IDE cdrom to /dev? |
| 04:22.40 | dvs | gameover: ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdrom |
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| 04:23.56 | paper | anyone here using e17 cvs? |
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| 04:24.53 | Hezik | hello, here i am again.. I got my nforce working (at least, the driver works and ALSA works) but now i get no sound in x/gnome.. i already added the nessesary stuff to /etc/mod-utiles (or something like that).. what am i missing? |
| 04:25.31 | Hezik | oh, when i tried to play a .wav by double clicking it sais there is no sound output.. under preferences i checked 'enable sound server startup' |
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| 04:26.22 | paper | Anyone have any idea, why my network card would basically just stop sending and recieving while i am doing a apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 04:27.53 | KatyRocks | i have a question about my sound |
| 04:28.13 | zinx | paper: crappy consumer-grade router that dies when you send a lot of traffic through it? |
| 04:28.34 | zinx | paper: dmesg will tell you if it's actually the NIC, though. |
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| 04:29.39 | elnovato | how its posible after apt-get upgrade , somemodules doenst load as before? |
| 04:29.47 | KatyRocks | i restarted my computer, and my volume control icon isnt showing up on the bottom right corner anymore, and I'm not getting any sound, what can I do to fix that? |
| 04:29.52 | timzter | who here uses Cox for their ISP? |
| 04:30.04 | FsckIt | timzter: I do.. why? |
| 04:30.10 | timzter | If i knew that they filtered ports, I wouldnt use them! :( |
| 04:30.16 | paper | fuq cox |
| 04:30.17 | paper | :) |
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| 04:30.25 | gameover | i got the burner working btw |
| 04:30.25 | timzter | FsckIt: so your port 80 cant be accessed either/ |
| 04:30.27 | Delicates | anyone has experience with RAID-5? |
| 04:30.33 | Delicates | I'm considering it, but thinking perhaps I'll be better off without it |
| 04:30.35 | gameover | what is a good software package for burning in debian |
| 04:30.39 | gameover | apt-get install ??? |
| 04:30.40 | skot | raid = bug spray |
| 04:30.44 | FsckIt | timzter: well, I have web hosting elsewhere... |
| 04:30.45 | RainbowW | Delicates: i've got a perc2si doing raid5 here. but that's hardware raid. |
| 04:30.56 | maher | gameover: k3b |
| 04:31.00 | paper | zinx, i know it isnt my router, i have to ctrl+c apt-get when im doing updates and keep restarting it |
| 04:31.00 | WiFiTux | Delicates, what could be the problem with it? |
| 04:31.02 | chealer | KatyRocks: i'm far from an expert, but what DE are you under? |
| 04:31.04 | skot | you have to have 2 identical cans of bug spray for it to work. |
| 04:31.09 | Delicates | I was considering software RAID |
| 04:31.18 | FsckIt | Hezik: what kind of sound card do you have? |
| 04:31.20 | WiFiTux | Delicates, enable it in the kernel... |
| 04:31.34 | paper | y |
| 04:31.35 | Delicates | WiFiTux: waste of space whithout much advantages? |
| 04:31.37 | RainbowW | Delicates: requires three volumes. if you're smart they'll be three separate volumes on three separate drives. |
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| 04:31.46 | KatyRocks | umm i dont know, this is my brothers computer, and i don't know much about how to use linux |
| 04:31.49 | RainbowW | Delicates: if you're stupid you'll put two volumes in the set on the same drive. |
| 04:31.52 | zinx | paper: likely dropped packets, then |
| 04:31.57 | FsckIt | timzter: I'd imagine that, yes, it's blocked too |
| 04:32.06 | thd | My dialup connect speed is 9600 for my ISP via my 56K v.90 external hardware modem under my new installation of Sarge. Under Knoppix and MSDOS usiing the same ppp programs on the same machine I can connect at 115200. How did I misconfigure Sarge or what else could be wrong? |
| 04:32.10 | paper | zinx, any way for me to monitor or check this |
| 04:32.19 | maher | KatyRocks: try using kmix / aumix to adjust the sound |
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| 04:32.21 | Delicates | RainbowW: I'm looking for serious advice here |
| 04:32.28 | zinx | paper: mtr might do it |
| 04:32.42 | KatyRocks | its not letting me have any sound |
| 04:32.46 | Delicates | I want to know how much overhead software RAID 5 has |
| 04:33.08 | WiFiTux | Delicates, what you want to do, is really make sure and read which one you want, and which one will give yout the least trouble. |
| 04:33.11 | guru | i installed kernel-patch-ppscsi-2.6 using apt and it placed it in /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/linux-ppscsi-2_6, which is a shell script...do i simply run this to apply the patch to my kernel and then recompile as normal? |
| 04:33.13 | paper | zinx, thank you ) |
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| 04:33.16 | zinx | thd: you're seeing the port speed in knoppix/msdos, not the connection speed |
| 04:33.21 | maher | KatyRocks: does kmix or aumix run? |
| 04:33.21 | paper | mtr |
| 04:33.23 | zinx | thd: you may be seeing that in sarge too, i don't know |
| 04:33.26 | FsckIt | Delicates: it's going to depend on your usage.. you're going to want to set it up in a test environment, and benchmark it |
| 04:33.28 | RainbowW | Delicates: there are many forms of raid. define your operational requirements. |
| 04:33.32 | WiFiTux | Delicates, it all depends on the access to the disk. |
| 04:33.48 | zinx | thd: so, make sure you haven't set the port speed to 9600 in sarge |
| 04:33.56 | Delicates | RainbowW: single user desktop :o) |
| 04:34.10 | zinx | thd: if it's set to 115200, you're probably seeing the actual connect speed in sarge |
| 04:34.11 | maher | Delicates: you odn't need raid you need backups |
| 04:34.19 | KatyRocks | it has a red circle with an x in it, over the icon |
| 04:34.22 | WiFiTux | Delicates, you want to use RAID 1 :) |
| 04:34.36 | thd | zinx: I reported the connect message. Port speed settings are identical. |
| 04:34.45 | zinx | thd: there're AT command set manuals if you want to switch which speed gets reported |
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| 04:35.10 | Delicates | maher: RAID-5 ensure for data integrity |
| 04:35.29 | Delicates | WiFiTux: it is more expensive than RAID 5 |
| 04:35.31 | maher | Delicates: if you have extra drives make one an external one and run dirvish on it |
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| 04:35.46 | maher | Delicates: raid doesn't protect you from rm -rf / |
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| 04:35.52 | WiFiTux | Delicates, expensive? you ain't buying anything else! |
| 04:36.16 | RainbowW | is there a package that will encode vob to mpeg? non-free is okay ... and yes, the videos in question are legal. |
| 04:36.34 | Delicates | WiFiTux: what's better utilising 50% for storage or 66%? |
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| 04:37.03 | maher | Delicates: hard discs are cheap - use them to make backups |
| 04:37.13 | WiFiTux | Delicates, you obviously don't need raid. |
| 04:37.14 | FsckIt | Delicates: what, exactly, are you trying to accomplish here? |
| 04:37.21 | Delicates | maher: they sure don't, but alias scripts that make you think twice do ;o) |
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| 04:37.38 | maher | Delicates: or installing a package from unstable that does rm -rf / |
| 04:37.47 | WiFiTux | actually that's no-root |
| 04:37.59 | Delicates | FsckIt: speed and reliability obviously |
| 04:38.08 | WiFiTux | maher, do package from untable will do rm -rf!!?!! |
| 04:38.14 | maher | Delicates: you don't need raid |
| 04:38.18 | Dewi | hmm. I don't have an /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:38.20 | Eclipser | who killed my internet |
| 04:38.23 | Dewi | does debian use some other bootloader now? |
| 04:38.25 | WiFiTux | Eclipser, me |
| 04:38.25 | maher | WiFiTux: some have come close |
| 04:38.36 | WiFiTux | maher, holy crap :| |
| 04:38.36 | FsckIt | Delicates: that's not what I'm asking.. what Bad Thing(tm) are you trying to prevent from happening? |
| 04:38.42 | thd | zinx: I want faster speed under Sarge I am only getting 900 B/s from the same debian mirrors package list download. Under Knoppix and MSDOS I get at least 4800 B/s within the same half hour. This has been consistant since I installed Sarge.. |
| 04:38.52 | Delicates | FsckIt: failure of one drive |
| 04:38.55 | maher | Delicates: how do you currently make backups? |
| 04:39.11 | zinx | thd: sounds like the port speed is wrong somewhere... |
| 04:39.20 | FsckIt | Delicates: how much downtime can you afford? |
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| 04:39.41 | Delicates | maher: copy data that I need across disks? |
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| 04:40.04 | Delicates | FsckIt: I can afford all downtime in the world :o) |
| 04:40.06 | maher | Delicates: then if you main drive fails stick another one in and copy back... |
| 04:40.39 | kremlyn | Is there a shortcut within aptitude to go back to the very first screen? |
| 04:40.46 | mlewis00 | thd: I think I saw a bug report on this on the BTS...IIRC it applied to kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686...the solution was to downgrade to an older kernel and see if the problem still persisted. |
| 04:40.55 | Delicates | maher: you're virtually talking about RAID-1 |
| 04:41.00 | FsckIt | Delicates: I would suggest against raid, in that case.. raid is not a backup solution, and it seems like a backup solution is what you are looking for |
| 04:41.26 | maher | Delicates: i'm talking about not bothering with raid unless downtime is very expensive |
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| 04:41.35 | thd | zinx: setserial -G /dev/ttyS0 reports 115200. stty reports 3800. Sarge and Knoppix are identical here. |
| 04:41.48 | mlewis00 | thd: If you have any older kernels still lying around you might try to boot into one of them and test it agian. |
| 04:41.49 | zinx | thd: and what about your ppp config? |
| 04:41.53 | Delicates | FsckIt: I'm looking for both failure resistance and performance |
| 04:41.54 | zinx | thd: pppd can set the port speed |
| 04:42.32 | KatyRocks | i restarted my computer, and my volume control icon isnt showing up on the bottom right corner anymore, and I'm not getting any sound, what can I do to fix that? |
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| 04:42.38 | maher | Delicates: raid isn't about performance its about redundancy for uptime |
| 04:42.58 | Delicates | maher: RAID-0 is not about performance? :o) |
| 04:43.00 | RainbowW | maher: don't mention striping without parity. :) |
| 04:43.05 | thd | zinx: Can I simply download or rebuild the kernal for my existing installation? |
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| 04:43.11 | FsckIt | Delicates: well, it's going to decrease performance, and I'm not sure how much failure resistance you need if you have unlimited downtime and good backups |
| 04:43.40 | peterS | FsckIt: for a read-mostly load, raid-1 is faster than jbod |
| 04:43.47 | zinx | thd: that would do you absolutely no good at all |
| 04:43.50 | peterS | for the same reason raid-0 is |
| 04:44.04 | Delicates | FsckIt: the performance decrease is exactly what I want to find out.. how much write overhead RAID-5 brings |
| 04:44.06 | FsckIt | peterS: jbod? |
| 04:44.08 | chealer | KatyRocks: do you know if you're using KDE (or gnome)? |
| 04:44.13 | peterS | FsckIt: "just a bunch of disks" |
| 04:44.17 | thd | zinx: pppconfig was set to 115200 as also in Knoppix |
| 04:44.23 | KatyRocks | i think KDE |
| 04:44.29 | zinx | thd: check the generated config file |
| 04:44.30 | FsckIt | Delicates: well, you aren't going to know that for your exact load until you benchmark it |
| 04:44.30 | peterS | FsckIt: i.e., sticking your disks together sequentially |
| 04:44.39 | FsckIt | peterS: I get it :-) |
| 04:44.47 | zinx | thd: the port speed is wrong *somewhere* |
| 04:44.59 | zinx | thd: pppd is the only place i know of that could affect it |
| 04:45.00 | Delicates | FsckIt: I hoped someone might know some benchmarks on Software RAID-5 |
| 04:45.18 | chealer | KatyRocks: do you know anything about konsole? if yes, launch what you want to make sounds in it |
| 04:45.21 | FsckIt | Delicates: and if you are going to front the cash for more disks (since you are going to need it for RAID), you might as well get a hardware controller, too |
| 04:45.32 | clueless | !java |
| 04:45.33 | dpkg | [java] a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 04:45.44 | Dewi | does grub read /boot/grub/menu.lst at boottime, or do I need to copy that into grub somehow? |
| 04:45.54 | peterS | Dewi: it reads it at boot time |
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| 04:46.08 | Dewi | peterS : so if I edit menu.lst, it'll take effect next boot without some extra step? |
| 04:46.12 | peterS | yep |
| 04:46.14 | FsckIt | Delicates: according to google.. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-9.html |
| 04:46.20 | Dewi | peterS : awesome. thnaks |
| 04:46.20 | Stravinsky | !install java |
| 04:46.20 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in sarge, ask me about <java-package>, and grab it from http://packages.debian.org/java-package . If you're in woody, you're screwed. Ask me about <install java by hand>. |
| 04:46.20 | KatyRocks | i dont know anything technical about Linux, only how to run the things I need to use lol, like the games and internet explorer, and GAIM pretty much |
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| 04:46.37 | Stravinsky | !java-package |
| 04:46.37 | dpkg | well, java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package). only in sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in sarge. Grab sun-j2re1.5debian and similar from sid, too. |
| 04:46.45 | Delicates | FsckIt: oh thanks |
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| 04:47.03 | chealer | KatyRocks: hehe, I'm afraid unless you find konsole you'll have to ask your brother ;) |
| 04:47.18 | KatyRocks | ehhh i cant talk to him for a while... |
| 04:47.29 | mythtv | Anyway to control the Nvidia 6800 GTs fan speed in Linux??? |
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| 04:47.48 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: do you know his user name and password, or was it already logged in for you? |
| 04:48.03 | jasz | Stravinsky: are you going to install java 5 on linux? |
| 04:48.17 | clueless | jasz: I am about to.... |
| 04:48.17 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: or do you have your own user name/password? |
| 04:48.18 | mythtv | It has dynamic fan control, and always stays on low when X loads |
| 04:48.29 | clueless | !install java by hand |
| 04:48.29 | dpkg | First, ask me about <java licensing>. Still here? Download a Java runtime or dev-kit package in .bin (self-extracting shell script) format from java.sun.com. Install that as root with "cd /usr/local; sh /path/to/jwhatever.bin". Make /usr/local/bin/java (and javac if it's a dev-kit) symlinks to the corresponding programs in /usr/local/jwhatever/bin. Now ask me about <mozilla java>. |
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| 04:49.25 | KatyRocks | i have my own |
| 04:49.29 | mythtv | which is causing it to overheat at times. Hit 93 C!! |
| 04:50.05 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok.. listen to these complete instructions before you do them, ok? |
| 04:50.18 | KatyRocks | alright |
| 04:50.20 | Stravinsky | jasz: already did, but i downloaded the deb, didnt know about this utility |
| 04:50.51 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: if you hold down Control and Alt, then hit F2, your screen is going to go a bit weird, and then turn into one with a black background with text on it |
| 04:51.32 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: you'll want to log in there (it'll ask for your username and password, and won't show what you type when you type in your password). |
| 04:51.34 | maher | KatyRocks: you could just right/middle click on the background and look for a menu that contains xterms |
| 04:51.42 | mlewis00 | thd: #285017: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686: upgrading from v2 to v6 slows down my modem |
| 04:51.44 | chealer | FsckIt: I think you'd better suggest her Alt+F2, konsole |
| 04:52.01 | FsckIt | chealer: didn't know about that... |
| 04:52.18 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: forget the above.. hit Alt+F2, instead |
| 04:52.25 | chealer | FsckIt: it's not a konsole |
| 04:52.25 | nvz | I don't see whats good about these cheese its.. they taste like they've gone bad even when they are fresh. heh |
| 04:52.32 | mlewis00 | thd: Don't know if that is the problem but you might save yourself some trouble by checking it out... |
| 04:52.35 | chealer | KatyRocks: then write "konsole" and hit enter |
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| 04:52.54 | zinx | nvz: maybe your stores only carry stale cheeze-its |
| 04:52.57 | KatyRocks | lol i dont wanna mess up his computer, i already broke the mouse and had to go buy a new one today |
| 04:53.04 | nvz | na they just taste like shite |
| 04:53.17 | Led_Zeppelin | trying to unmount a nfs drive, but it won't unmount |
| 04:53.22 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: well, you aren't going to mess anything up by hitting Alt-F2, so do that |
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| 04:53.44 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: then tell me what happens |
| 04:53.58 | KatyRocks | the cord got suck in the rolly chair wheel and i yanked too hard, and the metal part stayed in the computer, and the card came out |
| 04:54.02 | elnovato | if debian sarge will become stable, means i need to switch to SID |
| 04:54.03 | prahal | hi what is kernel-image-2.6.10-1-multimedia-*, is it agnula kernel ? |
| 04:54.17 | KatyRocks | them my other mouse wouldnt work, and i havnt had time to go get a new mouse until today |
| 04:54.36 | KatyRocks | so alt and f2 right now? |
| 04:54.44 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: I meant, tell me what happens on your screen when you hit Alt-F2.. yeah |
| 04:55.10 | bob2 | prahal: it's not from debian |
| 04:55.14 | KatyRocks | eh nothen happened |
| 04:55.23 | FsckIt | chealer: ? |
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| 04:55.54 | prahal | KatyRocks: Ctrl+shift+NumLock then numpad |
| 04:55.54 | maher | KatyRocks: if you left right or middle click the background do you get some menus? |
| 04:56.04 | chealer | KatyRocks: if nothing happens when you push them at the same time I don't know |
| 04:56.30 | prahal | bob2: Maintainer: Debian kernel team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 04:56.38 | FsckIt | chealer: come around here often? |
| 04:56.42 | thd | zinx: mlewis00: x text paste problem forces me to close window. I will look at the bug. |
| 04:57.06 | chealer | FsckIt: yeah, I'm referring to the usual "standards" for asking questions ;) |
| 04:57.07 | mlewis00 | thd: :) |
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| 04:57.11 | prahal | bob2: hum you are right it s from agnula only , sorry |
| 04:57.31 | FsckIt | chealer: what do you mean? |
| 04:57.49 | KatyRocks | yeah i get some options |
| 04:58.09 | chealer | FsckIt: nevermind, I'm already laughing myself :) |
| 04:58.22 | FsckIt | chealer: ok, whatever :-) |
| 04:58.29 | maher | KatyRocks: look for options involving term or xterm or terminal - anything like that? |
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| 04:59.04 | KatyRocks | nope |
| 04:59.09 | peterS | weeeeee |
| 04:59.29 | chealer | FsckIt: do you often answer questions of people who don't know if they use KDE? ;) |
| 04:59.40 | maher | KatyRocks: you don't happen to know how to take a screenshot? |
| 04:59.46 | KatyRocks | nope |
| 04:59.50 | chealer | BTW maher I have no idea what you suggest |
| 04:59.54 | FsckIt | chealer: not here |
| 05:00.23 | KatyRocks | umm you can tell me how and i will try |
| 05:00.42 | maher | KatyRocks: do you have a little foot in the bottom left of the screen |
| 05:00.44 | chealer | FsckIt: I assume *you* are used to the channel according to your nick? |
| 05:01.07 | mythtv | Any one know of a way to control the Nvidia 6800 GTs fan speed in Linux? |
| 05:01.13 | elnovato | how to backup a thunderbird profile_ |
| 05:01.15 | elnovato | ? |
| 05:01.18 | FsckIt | chealer: relatively so, yeah :-) |
| 05:01.20 | KatyRocks | no no feet, but i just found out I do have KDE lol |
| 05:01.48 | chealer | elnovato: ~/.mozilla-thunderbird ? |
| 05:01.54 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: how did you find that out? |
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| 05:02.08 | compubomb | for all those debian folk in here, why the hell would my debian sarge box when it first boots up, it will after like 300 seconds get a new ip |
| 05:02.16 | compubomb | like uhm.. i have it set to dhcp |
| 05:02.20 | elnovato | chealer: copy all directorie right _ |
| 05:02.20 | compubomb | and once dhcpd gets it's ip, it will then say like[ eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 45e1] |
| 05:02.31 | jasz | what do i need to do to make linux run faster when doing intensive disk operations (like moving files from one drive to another, or apt-get'ting lots of files... ) ?? i hate it that whenever i do apt-get install <something> my xmms breaks up.. :( |
| 05:02.38 | compubomb | once it prints that out, the ip changes |
| 05:02.38 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: either 1) your dhcp server sucks 2) your switch sucks 3) both |
| 05:02.41 | chealer | elnovato: well if you want a full backup |
| 05:02.44 | KatyRocks | I pressed the K and on the side menu it sayd - KDE 3.2 |
| 05:02.45 | maher | jasz: do you have dma enableed |
| 05:03.02 | compubomb | dondelelcaro: uhm.. actually, it has nothing to do with either, and your being a prick by insighting that |
| 05:03.08 | chealer | elnovato: I guess your nick means "the new", right? |
| 05:03.15 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: oh, good.. what options do you see when you press the K ? |
| 05:03.19 | jasz | maher: ... "enabled" ? i have no idea.. |
| 05:03.23 | elnovato | means "the nobbie" |
| 05:03.25 | compubomb | dondelelcaro: it does not do that on any of my other linux boxes |
| 05:03.44 | KatyRocks | the normal ones... tell me wat im looking for and i will tell you if i have it |
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| 05:03.46 | maher | jasz: install hdparms and play with that - try not to destroy your discs |
| 05:03.52 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: first off, it very well may involve your dhcpd server or your switch. |
| 05:03.56 | compubomb | and also, the ip does not change either, it is as though the mac address is changing, because ip's on my network are not set to change |
| 05:04.00 | jasz | hm... |
| 05:04.01 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: "Settings" |
| 05:04.15 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: the fact that you're only getting linkup 300 seconds after the interface has gone on is quite suspicious. |
| 05:04.23 | chealer | elnovato: yeah, so it's OK you don't know about the filesystem yet. but learning it will help you a lot |
| 05:04.36 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: alternatively, your card and/or wiring is not doing particularly well. |
| 05:04.44 | compubomb | hmm.. i said 300 link ?.. |
| 05:04.50 | compubomb | bleh |
| 05:04.52 | KatyRocks | yes there is a setting |
| 05:04.54 | KatyRocks | s |
| 05:04.58 | FsckIt | compubomb: is it always exactly 300 seconds? |
| 05:04.59 | compubomb | linkup 300 seconds.. welp, it said that anyhow.. |
| 05:05.05 | compubomb | FsckIt: yup |
| 05:05.15 | compubomb | wtf does it do that ? |
| 05:05.16 | jasz | !hdparms |
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| 05:05.22 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: underneath that, is there an option called "Control Center" |
| 05:05.24 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: what type of switch are you hooked into? |
| 05:05.32 | maher | jasz: maybe its hdparm |
| 05:05.33 | compubomb | SMC |
| 05:05.37 | compubomb | i get full bandwidth |
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| 05:05.41 | compubomb | but i run a dhcpd server |
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| 05:05.47 | compubomb | on my linux box |
| 05:05.50 | compubomb | well, not this one |
| 05:05.51 | montoya | One CPU with multiple monitors... - Is it possible? |
| 05:05.52 | compubomb | on another one |
| 05:05.57 | compubomb | i can even show you my configuration |
| 05:05.59 | dondelelcaro | hrm... ok, that probably isn't smart enough to do spanning tree |
| 05:06.05 | KatyRocks | okay and then |
| 05:06.10 | jasz | maher: .. true |
| 05:06.16 | jasz | montoya: .. si |
| 05:06.21 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: did you click on that option? |
| 05:06.26 | jasz | montoya: www.jasz.org/shot_laneros.jpg |
| 05:06.35 | montoya | jasz, how? |
| 05:06.35 | compubomb | http://rafb.net/paste/results/q7F60l61.html is my dhcpd configuration |
| 05:06.55 | KatyRocks | yeah |
| 05:06.58 | compubomb | should i change it or something |
| 05:06.58 | elnovato | montoya: f1 driver? |
| 05:07.01 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: if it's always 300 seconds, most likely the first time that dhclient tries to get an IP, the link isn't fully up, and there is no response. After 5 minutes, it tries again, and viola, the dhcp server responds. |
| 05:07.04 | compubomb | it's always worked without much problems |
| 05:07.16 | jasz | montoya: .. two video cards (or a dual headed video card) ... two monitors... configure X11 ... done.. |
| 05:07.31 | compubomb | dondelelcaro: do you think it could have to do with the ethernet card ? |
| 05:07.36 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: classical reasons for this are spanning tree, bad wiring, bad nic, bad switch port, crappy driver, etc. |
| 05:07.43 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: could be |
| 05:07.59 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok, on the left-hand side, you should see a list of options.. if you pick the one that's like 'Sounds and Multimedia'.. underneath it should be one for sound |
| 05:08.08 | compubomb | dondelelcaro: if i can max out the nic.. do you still think any of those problems are to blame.. |
| 05:08.12 | montoya | jasz, i need 2 disticts desktop |
| 05:08.19 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: and by the way, it's "you're" and "insinuate" |
| 05:08.21 | compubomb | normally, the only time i've seen ip's change on my network are because the mac address changed |
| 05:08.23 | montoya | jasz, in 1 cpu |
| 05:08.30 | compubomb | dondelelcaro: rofl.. |
| 05:08.31 | FsckIt | dondelelcaro: improperly configured dhcp server |
| 05:08.37 | jasz | montoya: .. like.. two window managers? |
| 05:08.47 | compubomb | FsckIt: you think it's my dhcpd server ? |
| 05:08.51 | jasz | montoya: ... i have only one cpu.. did you see the screenshot? |
| 05:09.13 | compubomb | ?.. |
| 05:09.13 | dondelelcaro | default-lease-time 600; <- heh. This is silly |
| 05:09.19 | montoya | jasz, yes... 2 keyboard 2 mouses... 2 desktop in 1 cpu |
| 05:09.30 | compubomb | dondelelcaro: well, i'm not expert so.. |
| 05:09.30 | jasz | montoya: it can be done... |
| 05:09.32 | FsckIt | compubomb: *shrug* something to rule out.. you have another computer that works properly? |
| 05:09.44 | jasz | montoya: .. all you have to do is configure X properly... |
| 05:09.51 | maher | montoya: you can do it but I don't know how offhand |
| 05:09.57 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: do you see what I'm talking about? |
| 05:10.01 | compubomb | FsckIt: yup |
| 05:10.04 | compubomb | just tried it |
| 05:10.04 | KatyRocks | i see Audio CD's, CDDB Retrieval, Mixer, Sound system, system Bell, and System notifications |
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| 05:10.17 | compubomb | i'll disable and re-get my ip from the box |
| 05:10.23 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: um, choose Sound system |
| 05:10.32 | dondelelcaro | compubomb: unless you have > 200 machines, there's no reason to have such a short lease time. bumping it up to hours (or days) is probably reasonable |
| 05:10.38 | jasz | montoya: .. it's gonna slow down the machine tho... one cpu may not be enough for multiple desktops/applications running at the same time... |
| 05:10.41 | bchoward | is there a way to back myself down from testing to stable? I need perl 5.6 and short of building it myself there's no way to get it in testing |
| 05:10.44 | elnovato | one can make 2 computers virtual, from 1 ? |
| 05:10.52 | jasz | elnovato: si |
| 05:10.57 | elnovato | wtf... teach me.. |
| 05:10.59 | maher | elnovato: yes |
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| 05:11.06 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: and then the right-hand side should let you mess with the sound settings |
| 05:11.08 | gameover | question |
| 05:11.15 | FsckIt | gameover: false |
| 05:11.24 | gameover | when i try to umount /dev/hdc i get "device is busy" |
| 05:11.24 | jasz | elnovato: .. you'll need extra hardware (mice, keyboard, video card, monitor) |
| 05:11.29 | gameover | how do i make it unbusy |
| 05:11.36 | compubomb | FsckIt: |
| 05:11.37 | maher | montoya: try http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/3100/1/ |
| 05:11.41 | chealer | gameover: you close apps using it |
| 05:11.43 | compubomb | i just refreshed my ip on dhcpd server |
| 05:11.45 | jasz | gameover: check out that no processes are using the drive.. |
| 05:11.47 | elnovato | jasz: got dual head, got 2 mice, got 2 keyb |
| 05:11.49 | compubomb | i got my same ip back |
| 05:11.55 | compubomb | 192.168.0.254 |
| 05:11.56 | chealer | gameover: to know which ones use lsof /dev/hdc |
| 05:11.58 | maher | gameover: use lsof to see what's talkign to it |
| 05:12.03 | jasz | elnovato: configure X... |
| 05:12.07 | bchoward | gameover: make sure that its not mounted anywhere |
| 05:12.17 | gameover | thx |
| 05:12.18 | compubomb | dumped it, got it back, so that means every time my system reboots, i think the mac address is changing or something |
| 05:12.36 | KatyRocks | okay wat do i do now |
| 05:12.38 | compubomb | hmm.., you think bad memmory can cause the mac address to change like that ? |
| 05:12.45 | elnovato | jasz: all is on X config? |
| 05:12.46 | dondelelcaro | gameover: lsof /cdrom; or whatever to see what processes are using files on /dev/hdc |
| 05:12.53 | peterS | compubomb: a bad EPROM on the network card itself will |
| 05:12.55 | dondelelcaro | gameover: kill those processes off, then umount the cdrom |
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| 05:13.12 | jasz | elnovato: the XF84Config-4 file is all you have to take care of (once the hardware is properly installed) |
| 05:13.13 | peterS | compubomb: but unless your network card is integrated with your motherboard, bad RAM or bad battery won't do it |
| 05:13.56 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: well, the right hand side should let you see how your sound system is set up... do you see any indication about what the problem could be? |
| 05:14.15 | chealer | KatyRocks: you can open konsole in K menu->system->Terminal |
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| 05:14.33 | elnovato | jasz: is there any workaround to read around? |
| 05:14.34 | compubomb | in my /var/lib/dhcp dhcpd.leases file, it shows 2 leases for the same ip / mac address |
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| 05:14.53 | jasz | elnovato: man XF86Config-4 |
| 05:15.26 | KatyRocks | all i see is "enable the sound system" "enable netowrked sound" "run the highest possible point" and "auto suspend...." and they are all checked |
| 05:15.29 | jasz | elnovato: all you have to do is define all the devices.. then set up the appropriate "ServerLayout" ... |
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| 05:15.52 | elnovato | soo one can define wich user will use a server layout? |
| 05:15.53 | jasz | maher: .. so you said i should enable DMA to my hard drive? |
| 05:16.00 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok, follow chealer's instruction about opening konsole |
| 05:16.22 | jasz | elnovato: .. no.. you'd probably run a xdm (or gdm, or kdm) on each display... |
| 05:16.39 | elnovato | nice |
| 05:16.50 | jasz | or run startx -- :0 for the first display and startx -- :1 for the second display... |
| 05:17.04 | chealer | KatyRocks: tell me when you get a prompt with a dollar sign |
| 05:17.10 | maher | jasz: see if its enabled already |
| 05:17.23 | KatyRocks | k there |
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| 05:18.04 | chealer | KatyRocks: so which program made you realize that sound doesn't work? are you using a multimedia player for example? |
| 05:18.45 | KatyRocks | i usually use JUK |
| 05:18.53 | jasz | maher: ... aight |
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| 05:19.22 | gameover | what is a good front end for taring files? |
| 05:19.50 | chealer | KatyRocks: so in the console, write "juk" then press enter |
| 05:20.11 | KatyRocks | ok |
| 05:20.57 | chealer | some stuff probably appears in console...anything that could be relevant? don't paste too much here, if there's a lot of output paste in #flood |
| 05:21.23 | KatyRocks | nothen came up |
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| 05:22.17 | guru | i have a kernel patch installed by apt in /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/...how do i apply this to my current kernel? |
| 05:22.33 | jasz | maher: .. it is off.. should i enable it? (the dma) |
| 05:22.35 | dondelelcaro | guru: you have to rebuild your kernel using the appropriate options to make-kpkg |
| 05:22.46 | guru | will make bzImage pick it up? |
| 05:22.55 | dondelelcaro | guru: no |
| 05:23.09 | guru | it's for the ppscsi patch...there wasn't any documentation so i'm a little lost |
| 05:23.23 | maher | jasz: yes |
| 05:23.28 | elnovato | does anyone renemba whete to get the deb j2sdk1.4 to install java?http://ftp.gwdg.de seems to be broken |
| 05:23.53 | chealer | hum juk wasn't a good example because it separes from bash. anyone has another idea for KatyRocks? |
| 05:23.58 | maher | elnovato: you can use java-package and sun or blackdown's binaries |
| 05:24.07 | dondelelcaro | guru: those patches are designed to be applied by make-kpkg... so without using make-kpkg, you're kind of sunk. |
| 05:24.14 | guru | ahh |
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| 05:24.21 | dondelelcaro | guru: unless you're planning on applying them manually using patch, of course. |
| 05:24.26 | maher | KatyRocks: try typing kmix in the konsole window |
| 05:24.40 | elnovato | maher, blackdown seems no to complain jedit |
| 05:24.45 | guru | dondelelcaro: ok, could you point me in the right direction to use make-pkg? |
| 05:24.53 | guru | err make-kpkg rather |
| 05:24.58 | maher | elnovato: java-package can deal with sun's binaries |
| 05:25.05 | bucky | guru, check out building a kernel the debian way in the debian reference.. chapter 7 |
| 05:25.10 | chealer | maher: that seems to be the same |
| 05:25.13 | guru | bucky: thanks |
| 05:25.25 | elnovato | bucky!! yohooo |
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| 05:25.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell guru about kp |
| 05:25.39 | maher | KatyRocks: chealer well aumix is console only, but probably not installed |
| 05:26.02 | peterS | localtime, dondelelcaro |
| 05:26.23 | chealer | KatyRocks: do you have by chance any other operating system than debian you could use on that PC to make sure you're not having a hardware problem? |
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| 05:26.46 | KatyRocks | nope |
| 05:26.52 | jasz | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument maher... wtf is that? |
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| 05:27.03 | prahal | hi i have a problem with 3dnow on my athlon, does recompiling the kernel with pentiumIII optimisation prevent its usage ? |
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| 05:27.24 | KatyRocks | i shouldnt be having a problem on this computer though |
| 05:27.29 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: when was the last time sound worked on this computer? |
| 05:27.35 | maher | jasz: does you kernel support dma for your chipset? |
| 05:27.41 | KatyRocks | the last time it was on |
| 05:27.41 | netsplit | Can someone please tell me what package contains xmlparse.h? packages.debian.org appears to be down and I don't appear to have it locally. |
| 05:27.57 | netsplit | Err, I take that back, packages is up. |
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| 05:28.04 | clueless | jasz: does your mother board has aladin chipset? |
| 05:28.09 | virgomoon | If I have 4 scsi cdr drives, should it be possible to burn 4 cds at once? I just got 4 Yamaha cdrs and am trying to get them to all 4 burn simultaneously. Is there any reason this should not work? |
| 05:28.16 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: was that when you had the problem with the mouse? |
| 05:28.16 | steve2 | Hi, I'm having trouble building from source using Debian Stable. # dpkg -b openssh-3.4p1 |
| 05:28.20 | chealer | netsplit: not down for me |
| 05:28.24 | KatyRocks | it was working just fine, then i had to restart it, so it would see the internet, and then i had to restart it again, like right after i restarted it, and now the sound wont work |
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| 05:29.20 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: oh, ok.. just trying to figure out what happened |
| 05:29.37 | KatyRocks | well my brother has it set up where the keyboard doesnt work with out the mouse, so i got the mouse today, but i havnt done anything to make the sound not work |
| 05:30.09 | jasz | i dont know if i included DMA when configuring my kernel... i dont think the chipset is aladin (it's VIA, this is a Gateway computer Athlon @ 1.2 Ghz) ... can i include DMA as a module? or should i recompile everything? |
| 05:30.18 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: do you mind restarting it one more time, then coming back here? |
| 05:30.30 | maher | jasz: did you build the kernel yourself |
| 05:30.38 | jasz | maher: .. yes i did... |
| 05:30.46 | KatyRocks | heh i might as well |
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| 05:30.48 | maher | jasz: you probably didn't then |
| 05:30.51 | thd | mlewis00: "bug#285017: kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686: upgrading from v2 to v6 slows down my modem" does seem to be the identical problem. I seem to have now started with the mispatched kernal. What would be my best strategy to change my kernal to remediate the problem until the bug is fixed? How would I downgrade the kernal that I never upgraded? Perhaps you could point me to the tutorial. I have never attempted to corect any kernal issues |
| 05:30.51 | thd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.15 | jasz | damn... maher... can it be added as a module? or should i recompile everything? |
| 05:31.43 | maher | jasz: umm... maybe - see if a standard kernel works... |
| 05:31.56 | guru | bucky: ok, i understand everything about using make-kpkg except for how to specify a patch to include...does make-kpkg do this automagically? |
| 05:32.18 | maher | thd: look in pool in your local mirror and see if the older kernel version is there |
| 05:32.40 | clueless | !mencal |
| 05:32.40 | dpkg | i heard mencal is menstrual calculator. |
| 05:32.49 | jasz | lol |
| 05:33.00 | clueless | bloody handy that would be... |
| 05:33.02 | jasz | is that really a program? mencalc? |
| 05:33.17 | orchid | yes it is |
| 05:33.28 | bucky | guru that's what the modules_image is for |
| 05:33.30 | maher | jasz: cowsay is packaged too |
| 05:33.36 | mlewis00 | thd: Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong (I've never done this myself) but I believe that you can apt-get install an older kernel-image without doing any damage to your system, except that it might change the order that the kernels are listed in your /boot/grub/menu.lst. |
| 05:33.37 | guru | bucky: ahh ok |
| 05:33.42 | guru | that makes sense now |
| 05:33.48 | elnovato | maher: im dling the java sdk sun via apt |
| 05:34.07 | steve2 | Hi, I'm having trouble building from source using Debian Stable. # dpkg -b openssh-3.4p1 |
| 05:34.17 | steve2 | output is on \# flood |
| 05:34.24 | maher | steve2: why are you doing that |
| 05:34.25 | mlewis00 | thd: The bug report mentions a kernel version that is not affected by this bug...you might try that one since someone else already has had success with it. |
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| 05:34.34 | jasz | !cowsay |
| 05:34.34 | dpkg | it has been said that cowsay is a configurable talking cow, or an absolutely vital program for turning text into happy ASCII cows, or at http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml, or what asg uses to combat the evil Outlook(TM) stationary that is sent to him |
| 05:34.36 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: hi again |
| 05:34.46 | KatyRocks | ok was something aupposed to happen? |
| 05:34.52 | steve2 | I'm adding a patch to chroot users on login |
| 05:35.05 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: you rebooted, right? sound still not work? |
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| 05:35.13 | KatyRocks | still not working |
| 05:35.15 | maher | steve2: oh - do you have ssh's build-depends istalled |
| 05:35.29 | steve2 | Probably not, how do I do that? |
| 05:35.47 | mlewis00 | thd: It is probably not necessary but you could back up your /boot and /boot/grub directories first... |
| 05:35.47 | maher | steve2: try apt-get build-depends ssh or do it manually |
| 05:35.55 | steve2 | Thanks, |
| 05:36.00 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: hmm |
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| 05:36.12 | maher | steve2: also chrooting people is probably not particularly useful |
| 05:36.22 | jasz | maher: on which section of the kernel menuconfig would that DMA part be? |
| 05:36.43 | maher | jasz: somewhere in ide chipsets i expect |
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| 05:37.36 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: just to be sure (and because I've done this), can you make sure the speakers are turned on, and that the cord between the computer and the speakers hasn't fallen out? |
| 05:37.51 | steve2 | I actually plan on allowing just sftp access into chrooted directories. |
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| 05:38.21 | KatyRocks | its not the speakers, the little volume icon the on the bottom bar, has a red circle over it with a white x in it |
| 05:38.23 | guru | what is initrd used for? |
| 05:38.27 | thd | mlewis00: Wouldn't I need to find an older archive of Sarge, yet all the mirrors would be current. |
| 05:38.29 | guru | can i safely remove it? |
| 05:38.34 | peterS | guru: no |
| 05:38.41 | elnovato | lol.. 'guru' |
| 05:38.42 | maher | steve2: what about rssh |
| 05:38.44 | peterS | guru: it's needed to boot your system, unless you've compiled a custom kernel |
| 05:38.46 | clueless | which is most useful? cowsay? mencal? xeyes? |
| 05:38.48 | LinuxNIT | can you make a launcher run a script when you click on it? |
| 05:38.51 | guru | peterS: i have |
| 05:39.00 | maher | thd you might be lucky |
| 05:39.01 | peterS | guru: then you should know the answer already, whether or not you need an initrd |
| 05:39.08 | steve2 | I'll take a look at it, thanks. |
| 05:39.10 | guru | i'm sitting here with a pristine 2.6.8 source tree :D |
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| 05:39.22 | guru | peterS: to my knowledge i don't |
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| 05:39.26 | maher | clueless: xeyes - for when you have remote access to someones machine - you can freak them out |
| 05:39.27 | peterS | guru: if you compiled your kernel such that it doesn't need an initrd, then it doesn't need an initrd. if you didn't, it does. |
| 05:39.36 | mlewis00 | thd: No, just 'apt-cache search kernel-image' will give you a list of the available kernel-images...then do 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.x-x-686' or whatever. |
| 05:39.36 | guru | simple enough |
| 05:39.46 | KatyRocks | how do you type somethen to someone, like make their name appear before the text? |
| 05:39.52 | dale_gribble | hey guys is it possible for a regular user to umount |
| 05:40.03 | jasz | haha.. i used to play with xeyes on other machines :P |
| 05:40.04 | peterS | KatyRocks: manually. in some irc clients you can just type part of a nick and hit tab and it'll finish it |
| 05:40.06 | chealer | KatyRocks: you start typing the name, then press tab |
| 05:40.16 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: I type in the first few characters, then hit tab |
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| 05:40.24 | guru | i would presume that if the patch is unable to be applied that it would give me some error, correct? |
| 05:40.29 | KatyRocks | ooh ok |
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| 05:40.34 | guru | during the build process, that is |
| 05:40.42 | peterS | guru: yes, for some definitions of "it". if you use 'patch', it will |
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| 05:40.59 | mlewis00 | thd: You might also want to back up the symlinks in / ... i.e. vmlinuz, vmlinuz.old, initrd.img, initrd.img.old |
| 05:41.05 | guru | i'm using the reference in chapter 7 of the reference |
| 05:41.11 | maher | dale_gribble: yes - edit fstab - man fstab |
| 05:41.14 | guru | err example rather |
| 05:41.19 | guru | the make-kpkg method |
| 05:41.31 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: the icon with the red circle and X.. can you click on it? |
| 05:41.40 | KatyRocks | yeah |
| 05:41.46 | KatyRocks | but i dont get any options |
| 05:41.51 | colk | How do you set the load order of modules in 2.6 I have 2 ethernet cards and I want one to be eth0 but when the system is coming up now it is setting the other one to be eth0 |
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| 05:42.04 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: it doesn't do anything if you click on it? |
| 05:42.14 | KatyRocks | a thing pops up |
| 05:42.24 | colk | it used to work in 2.4 with alias eth0 tulip and alias eth1 8139too in /etc/modultis |
| 05:42.25 | KatyRocks | but i can right click and go to configure and stuff |
| 05:42.25 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: what does that thing say? |
| 05:42.27 | mlewis00 | thd: All of that is probably not absolutely necessary but if you do back them up you will have a 'snapshot' of how your system was before you changed anything :) |
| 05:42.27 | Alogon | what is the easist way for me to make a gui for a script, so that my users can just click on button instead of going threw the script? |
| 05:42.42 | KatyRocks | it says- current mixer |
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| 05:42.47 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: well, right click and go to configure and stuff :-) |
| 05:42.50 | KatyRocks | then there is a scrolly thing, that doesnt scroll |
| 05:42.53 | sk | hey i got a question how can i know if on my computer i have 1 or 2 hds? |
| 05:42.57 | sk | one as slave or master |
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| 05:43.14 | KatyRocks | lol can you tell im not old and a computer nerd? |
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| 05:43.42 | libpcp | hi all |
| 05:43.44 | trapper-- | anyone good with geometry? |
| 05:43.55 | maher | trapper--: me |
| 05:43.55 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: it's ok.. I just hope we can get this solved for you |
| 05:44.00 | chealer | KatyRocks: yes, computer nerds call themselves geeks :) |
| 05:44.04 | maher | KatyRocks: no :) |
| 05:44.15 | KatyRocks | lol |
| 05:44.17 | FsckIt | trapper--: did you have a specific question? :-) |
| 05:44.28 | trapper-- | well its not debian related lol |
| 05:44.28 | chealer | FsckIt: maybe #kde people would know what makes the "red icon" |
| 05:44.29 | maher | colby: ifrename |
| 05:44.29 | deadcat | "i am not a nerd, nerds are smart bart!" |
| 05:44.31 | virgomoon | If I have 4 scsi cdr drives, should it be possible to burn 4 cds at once? I just got 4 Yamaha cdrs and am trying to get them to all 4 burn simultaneously. Is there any reason this should not work? |
| 05:44.41 | trapper-- | just thought i could find some smart people here :p |
| 05:44.56 | peterS | virgomoon: no reason I can think of, if your scsi interface is fast enough to accommodate the speeds you're talking about |
| 05:44.57 | colk | virgomoon, memory, processor, etc |
| 05:44.57 | drac | you thought right! |
| 05:45.03 | trapper-- | http://biggie.co.nz/~trapper/trig.jpg |
| 05:45.10 | trapper-- | trying to find theta |
| 05:45.14 | peterS | virgomoon: well, and of course your disks have to be fast enough to feed that much data at once |
| 05:45.22 | trapper-- | i cant remember all my trig identities |
| 05:45.24 | trapper-- | :\ |
| 05:45.30 | libpcp | how do i download a specific package using apt-get? let say i want to download the php4-pear package |
| 05:45.33 | FsckIt | chealer: perhaps.. you want to walk her over there? |
| 05:45.36 | virgomoon | peterS, colk: gkrellm shows processor usage at 16% the whole time. The drive is a new WD 200GB. |
| 05:45.43 | deadcat | libpcp: apt-get install pkgnam,e |
| 05:45.44 | peterS | trapper--: sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1 |
| 05:45.49 | maher | trapper--: what is this - your high school hw? |
| 05:46.00 | FsckIt | trapper--: what are you trying to find? |
| 05:46.07 | virgomoon | peterS, colk: I just installed them tonight from an ebay auction, so that may be the problem. |
| 05:46.08 | trapper-- | the angle theta |
| 05:46.13 | Alogon | virgomoon: open up a terminal and do top and see what is using 16% of your system |
| 05:46.20 | colk | wouldnt memory play a big factor because you are having to caching 4X 650 MB |
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| 05:46.27 | trapper-- | all i have is the hypotanuse and the 1m square |
| 05:46.27 | chealer | FsckIt: I did |
| 05:46.31 | peterS | virgomoon: if for example your burners are 12x ... that's 48 times 150 kB/s that you need from your disk, which is under 10 MB/s. modern disks should be 30-40 MB/s. |
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| 05:46.43 | FsckIt | chealer: cool.. |
| 05:46.49 | trapper-- | maher heh, i finished high school 10 years ago :p |
| 05:46.52 | virgomoon | peterS: They're 8x writers. |
| 05:47.06 | colk | And that will also use up the channel that the disc is on |
| 05:47.13 | peterS | virgomoon: so, total of 32x, and 1x is 150 kB/s. so 32 * 150 = 4800 kB/s |
| 05:47.27 | peterS | virgomoon: like I said, modern disks are more in the range of 30000 kB/s or higher |
| 05:47.28 | libpcp | deadcat: what does it mean by e ? |
| 05:47.29 | trapper-- | peterS, i dont see how to apply that one in this situation |
| 05:47.30 | deadcat | trapper--: thats some hard shits. |
| 05:47.42 | virgomoon | peterS: It didn't look like anything was near straining and the buffers were showing 99% the whole time, too. |
| 05:47.45 | KatyRocks | on the configure is- dock into panel, anable system tray volume control, show tickmarks, and show labels |
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| 05:47.52 | KatyRocks | and everything is checked |
| 05:48.01 | deadcat | libpcp: the fuck. "apt-get install <package name>" i miss-typed |
| 05:48.02 | peterS | trapper--: you don't. what you want is to realise that sin(theta) * hyp * cos(theta) * hyp = your area |
| 05:48.16 | FsckIt | trapper--: well.. what trig identities use the hypotenuse? |
| 05:48.16 | virgomoon | peterS: yeah, on a full out md5sum check on an iso on the hd, it gets 30M/s. |
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| 05:48.47 | peterS | virgomoon: *nod*. that's typical for modern disks. anyway, if you need 4.8 MB/s to keep your burners running, and you have 30 MB/s, I figure you'll be fine (: |
| 05:48.47 | virgomoon | I can get one to burn individually, but put 2 or more in the mix and they all fail. |
| 05:48.50 | colk | you also have to take into account the PCI bandwidth as well |
| 05:48.56 | sk | hey i got a question how can i know if on my computer i have 1 or 2 hds? |
| 05:48.56 | libpcp | deadcat: if im not mistaken it will install that package. what i want is to download the package without installing it. |
| 05:49.05 | deadcat | libpcp: -d |
| 05:49.05 | FsckIt | peterS: um, that confuses me (as to how you got it, and how you apply it to get theta) |
| 05:49.09 | thd | mlewis00: I have to update my package lists. Apt-cache is not working now because I aborted the slow downloads. |
| 05:49.12 | peterS | colk: well, even PCI bandwidth, 4.8 MB/s coming and going shouldn't cause much trouble |
| 05:49.24 | sk | bash: libpcp: command not found |
| 05:49.49 | virgomoon | If the host adapter can handle, what, 120M/s .. what's the b/w on the PCI bus? |
| 05:49.57 | mlewis00 | thd: Hmmm, so you probably have some pending upgrades, etc. :( |
| 05:49.58 | peterS | FsckIt: he knows the hypotenuse. base/hyp = cos(theta). height/hyp = sin(theta). therefore base = hyp * cos(theta) and height = hyp * sin(theta) |
| 05:50.02 | virgomoon | That depends on the board, right? |
| 05:50.03 | chealer | KatyRocks: when you put the mouse over the speaker icon in the system tray, do you see a tooltip saying by example mute or something? |
| 05:50.12 | peterS | FsckIt: not multiply base * height and you get the area. well, divide by 2, which I forgot to do earlier |
| 05:50.14 | colk | most are 33 MB/S |
| 05:50.19 | colk | how much memory do you have |
| 05:50.24 | virgomoon | 192MB |
| 05:50.32 | KatyRocks | no tool tip |
| 05:50.34 | mwilson | sk: Can't you ask whoever actually owns the box you've broken into? |
| 05:50.41 | FsckIt | peterS: but he doesn't have the base, the height, or theta... |
| 05:50.49 | peterS | FsckIt: anyway, hyp^2 sin(theta) cos(theta) = area/2. |
| 05:50.50 | trapper-- | peterS yea but i dont have the area or the angle so i still have two unknowns |
| 05:50.52 | virgomoon | Memory usage never spike much and the swap wasn't hit |
| 05:51.06 | sk | is my box i just want to, installed fbsd, on my other hd, but i don't know which one is who |
| 05:51.07 | peterS | trapper--: I thought you did have the area. what *do* you have? |
| 05:51.14 | jmspeex | could someone tell me what is the debian equivalent of rc.local? |
| 05:51.40 | trapper-- | peterS just what is in the pic, the length of hyp and the fact that the square fits in there |
| 05:51.50 | peterS | jmspeex: just creating your own init script, or tagging stuff onto the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 05:52.04 | maher | trapper--: 1/x = sin theta 1/y = cos theta, x+y=7, solve for theta |
| 05:52.06 | peterS | trapper--: I didn't see any pic. how does this square fit in there? |
| 05:52.07 | virgomoon | peterS, colk: I think I'm just going to have to box them back up and get my money back, this is silly. |
| 05:52.09 | mlewis00 | thd: You should still be able to install a single package, though. |
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| 05:52.48 | trapper-- | peterS : http://biggie.co.nz/~trapper/trig.jpg |
| 05:52.53 | SexyKen | Hey guys, who would you recommend for dedicated hosting of a Nagios Monitoring server |
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| 05:53.28 | sk | SexyKen: freebsd or netbsd |
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| 05:53.44 | jmspeex | peterS: Thanks. Do you happen to know a way to reditect a whole domain to /dev/null (e.g. with /etc/hosts)? |
| 05:53.55 | peterS | trapper--: oh, ok. I misunderstood the problem. hold on. |
| 05:54.01 | trapper-- | k |
| 05:54.03 | hazzern | how do i remove similar lines of text from multiple files |
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| 05:54.19 | peterS | jmspeex: the only way I know for that is to run a local caching name server and tell it that it is authoritative for example.com |
| 05:54.27 | RainbowW | are there still boot floppies for sarge? or is it all boot cd now? |
| 05:54.35 | peterS | jmspeex: 'apt-get install bind9' and dig into /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 05:54.47 | RainbowW | bind. ick. |
| 05:54.48 | elnovato | how to make the touchpad , double finger ,works? |
| 05:54.53 | peterS | RainbowW: there are floppies. you need 3 for a netinst or a CD inst (2 common, one for net drivers, one for CD drivers) |
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| 05:55.14 | elnovato | RainbowW: try net install sarge, worked fine for me today |
| 05:55.16 | jmspeex | peterS: not sure I want to go through that trouble. I'll try finding something else... |
| 05:56.02 | RainbowW | crap this leaves me in a very awkward position. the only machine i have in the house that has a floppy is ... the one that won't boot from cd. no machine to make the floppies with. :-( |
| 05:56.31 | elnovato | make a cd |
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| 05:56.50 | jasz | elnovato: did you download sun |
| 05:56.50 | RainbowW | elnovato: and do what with it? |
| 05:56.58 | jasz | damn keyboard.. |
| 05:57.08 | jasz | elnovato: .. did you download sun's java 5 ? |
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| 05:57.16 | elnovato | yes jasz |
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| 05:57.31 | elnovato | Selecting previously deselected package j2re1.4. |
| 05:57.32 | elnovato | Unpacking j2re1.4 (from .../j2re1.4_1.4.2.01-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:57.34 | peterS | trapper--: ok, so, you know where point E is, and that it lies on line AB. now you need points (b,0) and (0,a) |
| 05:57.34 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: I'm sorry, but I think you're going to have to ask your brother about this... I'm at a lost as to what the problem is |
| 05:57.52 | KatyRocks | well my brother is somewhere where i cant talk to him for a loooooong time |
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| 05:57.55 | jasz | elnovato: .. but that's java 1.4 .. why didnt you get java 5 ? |
| 05:57.56 | peterS | trapper--: you know that the slope between (b,0) and (1,1) is the same as the slope between (1,1) and (0,a) |
| 05:57.57 | elnovato | on debian.org you can find the 100 mb debian iso net install |
| 05:58.09 | peterS | trapper--: you also know that a^2 + b^2 = 7^2 |
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| 05:58.17 | peterS | trapper--: from that you should be able to nail down 'a' and 'b' |
| 05:58.23 | elnovato | jasz: well, becouse java 1.4 is the only one packed as deb |
| 05:58.28 | RainbowW | elnovato: i'm aware of the netinst cd. but the target machine will not boot from cd. |
| 05:58.45 | peterS | trapper--: once you do that, you're a sin^-1 away from theta |
| 05:58.47 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: can I ask where? |
| 05:58.51 | jasz | RainbowW: .. how is it going to boot? floppy? net? |
| 05:58.55 | Devil_Kin | hey all.. when is /etc/modules being parsed in the boot process, and what might cause it not to be parsed anymore? the modules in there are no longer being loaded |
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| 05:59.25 | KatyRocks | he is in jail |
| 05:59.33 | peterS | Devil_Kin: if you have a /etc/modules-2.6 or /etc/modules-2.6.8-1-k7 or something, that'll override /etc/modules for those kernels |
| 05:59.38 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: oh, I'm sorry to hear that |
| 06:00.08 | SexyKen | •sk• I dont know BSD :-\ |
| 06:00.19 | Devil_Kin | peterS: nope, only /etc/modules and an /etc/modules.conf.old |
| 06:00.20 | RainbowW | jasz: for the install the plan WAS to boot from floppy and then do a netinst. then i realized i have no booting machines that have floppy drives, since i abandoned them many centuries ago. |
| 06:00.58 | RainbowW | at this point i'm not even sure i have any floppies that i could write to even if i had a drive to write to them in. many of them got a coke spilled on them some years ago. |
| 06:00.59 | trapper-- | peterS thats kind of where im stuck heh |
| 06:01.07 | chealer | KatyRocks: I guess you have no idea what's root or the administrator account's password |
| 06:01.12 | peterS | trapper--: you know how to figure the slope of AE and BE, right? |
| 06:01.35 | KatyRocks | i know the root password |
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| 06:01.58 | trapper-- | well thats what i am trying to find |
| 06:02.00 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: well, that's useful information you probably should have mentioned before now :-) |
| 06:02.08 | trapper-- | i know my basic trig, but im missing something here |
| 06:02.12 | KatyRocks | i did a while ago |
| 06:02.20 | peterS | trapper--: slope(AE) = (a-1)/(1-0). slope(BE) = (0-1)/(b-1) |
| 06:02.23 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: I'm sorry.. I missed it |
| 06:02.36 | Devil_Kin | peterS: just found it.... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292116 |
| 06:02.43 | peterS | trapper--: actuall slope(AE) = (a-1) / (0-1) |
| 06:03.07 | trapper-- | yea but i dont know a or b |
| 06:03.30 | peterS | trapper--: right, you don't. but you can figure a and b given the fact that the two slopes are equal |
| 06:03.35 | peterS | trapper--: and the fact that a^2 + b^2 = 7^2 |
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| 06:04.14 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok, so you remember how to go to konsole, again? |
| 06:04.20 | KatyRocks | yeah |
| 06:04.21 | Devil_Kin | sorry for the noise. |
| 06:04.30 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok, let's do that.. |
| 06:04.40 | trapper-- | himmm, so ill flag sin and cos for a while and try and do it with the ratios |
| 06:04.47 | peterS | trapper--: in other words, 1-a = 1 / (1-b). solve for a. then plug that into a^2 + b^2 = 7^2 |
| 06:05.02 | SexyKen | Hey guys, does anyone here think Nagios is a good monitoring system or should I go with another solution |
| 06:05.48 | KatyRocks | mmm k |
| 06:06.10 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok, so what does the command 'lsmod' tell you.. can you paste it into #flood? |
| 06:06.15 | trapper-- | ok ill have a crack at that |
| 06:06.15 | trapper-- | thanks |
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| 06:06.46 | netsplit | Hey, I was trying to compile something, and it somehow found my kernel directory. How do you find that from the running kernel? |
| 06:07.17 | peterS | netsplit: it probably followed the symlink from /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 06:07.21 | jm_ | netsplit: ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r), there's a build symlink |
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| 06:07.26 | netsplit | Ah, thanks. |
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| 06:07.30 | KatyRocks | wait do i type in- lsmod |
| 06:07.57 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: yes, type in 'lsmod' (without the quotes, of course) |
| 06:08.49 | KatyRocks | says command not found |
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| 06:09.02 | FR500 | hi |
| 06:09.09 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: ok, can you type in '/sbin/lsmod' |
| 06:09.29 | guru | with make-kpkg, to apply the ppscsi patch which is in /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/linux-ppscsi-2_6 all i would do is add --added-patches linux-ppscsi-2_6 right? |
| 06:09.35 | KatyRocks | yes i can |
| 06:09.49 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: please do so :-) |
| 06:10.11 | KatyRocks | lol i did |
| 06:10.41 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: please copy and paste the output into #flood, ok? |
| 06:11.33 | KatyRocks | uhh wats that? |
| 06:11.58 | FsckIt | chealer: still hanging around? |
| 06:12.10 | numist | KatyRocks: its a channel where people dump output.. type /join #flood |
| 06:12.25 | KatyRocks | where do i type that at? |
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| 06:12.41 | FsckIt | KatyRocks: the place you are typing to talk to us |
| 06:12.45 | chealer | FsckIt: yes |
| 06:12.49 | RainbowW | is there a way to read /proc to figure out where the floppy drive is available? |
| 06:12.52 | hazzern | or u could use www.pastebin.com :) |
| 06:13.03 | Gujiz | Anyone know how can i change default values of .bashrc ? so when i create new user account it have kind of .bashrc that i want :P |
| 06:13.03 | hazzern | KatyRocks use pastebin.com instead |
| 06:13.21 | zinx | !paster |
| 06:13.21 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 06:13.35 | zinx | (paster notifies the channel) |
| 06:13.38 | KatyRocks | ok im in there |
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| 06:14.02 | KatyRocks | so just paste it in there? |
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| 06:14.37 | FsckIt | helix: what's up? |
| 06:14.48 | hazzern | yes :) |
| 06:14.53 | hazzern | this is better |
| 06:15.01 | helix | my network, finally |
| 06:15.16 | paster | "hazzern" at 202.38.56.69 pasted "nothing just a test" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/210 |
| 06:15.18 | FsckIt | helix: well, that's usually a good thing for IRC |
| 06:15.30 | hazzern | wow this is good :) |
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| 06:17.16 | paster | "hazzern" at 168.143.113.125 pasted "nothing test 2" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/211 |
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| 06:17.36 | hazzern | good good :) |
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| 06:18.30 | chealer | KatyRocks: can you try "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" in console and tell us if you hear sound (it should be instant it it works, interrupt it with Ctrl-C) |
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| 06:19.10 | KatyRocks | do i type that in? |
| 06:19.31 | bighead | umm, can anyone help me play a DVD with totem in debian? |
| 06:19.39 | RainbowW | where do floppy drives reside now? /dev/fd0 is non-existant ... |
| 06:19.39 | SexyKen | Is ev1servers.net a good place to get a dedicated server to use as a monitoring box? |
| 06:19.40 | bighead | there is no "File->Play DVD" in the menu's :-/ |
| 06:19.51 | bighead | btw, what is the /dev entry for the first DVD/CD drive? |
| 06:19.58 | chealer | KatyRocks: yes, in console, then enter again |
| 06:20.06 | FsckIt | helix: so, how have you been otherwise? |
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| 06:21.24 | KatyRocks | bash: /dev/dsp: No such device |
| 06:21.27 | helix | I am weirded out by your idle chit chat |
| 06:21.34 | SexyKen | Who offers Debian Dedicated servers |
| 06:21.45 | helix | SexyKen: dreamhosting, I think or dreamhost |
| 06:21.53 | chealer | KatyRocks: ok, that's a good clue |
| 06:21.57 | peterS | KatyRocks: means you don't have a sound driver loaded |
| 06:22.03 | FsckIt | helix: ok, sorry I asked... nevermind, then |
| 06:22.13 | helix | ok |
| 06:22.24 | KatyRocks | how do i load it? lol |
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| 06:22.39 | drac | I have this one game that is looking mouse from /dev/mouse, and I don't have such dev there, can I just symlink it from /dev/input/mice? |
| 06:22.43 | Guerin | SexyKen: rimuhosting.com |
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| 06:22.48 | peterS | drac: yeah, probably |
| 06:22.57 | drac | ok thaks |
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| 06:23.32 | Gujiz | Anyone know how can i change default values of .bashrc ? so when i create new user account it have kind of .bashrc that i want :P |
| 06:23.41 | peterS | drac: why a game would need direct access to the mouse, I can't fathom, though |
| 06:23.46 | colk | edit stuff in /etc/skel |
| 06:23.49 | Guerin | Gujiz: /etc/skel/* |
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| 06:24.15 | keith_ | hello out there! Can someone please tell me which packages to install to run DVD movies |
| 06:24.33 | drac | peterS: no idea. it's called "turbo sliders", and it has only binaries.. i couldn't find any config file where i could change it |
| 06:24.36 | drac | couldn't |
| 06:24.46 | drac | but symlinking did the trick |
| 06:24.47 | Gujiz | i dont have anything in /etc/skel |
| 06:24.57 | chealer | !dvd |
| 06:24.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, dvd is use xine or ogle to play video DVDs |
| 06:25.02 | bighead | umm, there is no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd on my debian (sid). How do I make those nodes so I can play movies? |
| 06:25.09 | peterS | drac: cool |
| 06:25.13 | chealer | ^^factoid open to improvement |
| 06:25.32 | jm_ | Gujiz: yes you do, learn how to use ls |
| 06:25.46 | jm_ | bighead: man ln |
| 06:25.50 | mwilson | jm_: You're asking an awful lot there. |
| 06:25.54 | jm_ | mwilson: heh |
| 06:26.12 | bighead | jm_: I know ln. But what do I link /dev/dvd to? |
| 06:26.15 | elnovato | whats the gnome filemanager? |
| 06:26.20 | bighead | jm_: there are no /dev/hdc* files :-/ |
| 06:26.30 | jm_ | bighead: are you using devfs or udev? |
| 06:26.41 | Guerin | elnovato: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 06:26.48 | RainbowW | where do floppy drives reside now? /dev/fd0 is non-existant ... |
| 06:27.02 | bighead | jm_: how do I check that? |
| 06:27.22 | fromz | what release of debian should I get to get recent packages ? |
| 06:27.23 | bighead | elnovato, what version of gnome? Its nautilus ususally (unless u are using some old old old gnome) |
| 06:27.29 | chealer | KatyRocks: if you don't know which sound card you have, it's hard to help you. I don't see why it would suddenly have stopped to work though |
| 06:27.36 | peterS | RainbowW: /dev/fd0 should be there unless you use devfs or equivalent, then it'll be /dev/floppy/0 |
| 06:27.40 | mwilson | fromz: There is only the stable release. |
| 06:27.55 | mwilson | fromz: That's the only thing Debian ever releases. |
| 06:28.05 | RainbowW | peterS: nada in either case. |
| 06:28.14 | Guerin | everything else escapes |
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| 06:28.25 | Guerin | with assistance from the ftpmasters |
| 06:28.27 | debian | !release |
| 06:28.28 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 06:28.45 | RainbowW | who is etch? |
| 06:28.56 | Guerin | RainbowW: the etch-a-sketch |
| 06:29.00 | Guerin | in toy story |
| 06:29.01 | RainbowW | was he in 1? |
| 06:29.03 | debian | oh yes! |
| 06:29.04 | RainbowW | or only in 2? |
| 06:29.04 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:29.07 | Guerin | they're all from 1 |
| 06:29.15 | debian | the one who 'draw' gun. :) |
| 06:29.16 | jm_ | bighead: check /dev dir and how many entries it has |
| 06:29.19 | fromz | Thanks dpkg |
| 06:29.27 | RainbowW | i figured he'd be an etch-a-sketch but i don't remember him and i haven't seen 2 |
| 06:29.28 | debian | so...what about sid? |
| 06:29.35 | RainbowW | sid is the boy who breaks toys. |
| 06:29.37 | bighead | jm_: dir /dev | wc -l revelas 195 |
| 06:29.37 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 06:29.37 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 06:29.39 | mwilson | debian: What about it? |
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| 06:29.54 | jm_ | bighead: yes, that looks like it |
| 06:30.00 | debian | RainbowW: he just show up twice in movie - at the beginning and at the end |
| 06:30.07 | debian | RainbowW: and he doesn't speak |
| 06:30.08 | Dewi | I'm trying to get fm radio working via a TV card... lsmod shows me a cx8800, and it's giving me status messages in the syslog all the time, but the radio program looks for /dev/radio and I can't find any devices |
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| 06:30.27 | debian | mwilson: hmm....is he fine. :) |
| 06:30.55 | Dewi | I don't seem to have anything in /dev called radio, or video, or tv, or v4l, or video4linux, or dvb |
| 06:30.59 | RainbowW | debian: it's been a long time. but i still can't get this blasted floppy drive working. |
| 06:31.18 | Dewi | but everything else indicates the device is running |
| 06:31.20 | bighead | jm_: looks like what? devfs or udev? |
| 06:31.25 | Dewi | am I meant to mknod a device? |
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| 06:32.12 | jm_ | bighead: yes |
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| 06:32.32 | debian | RainbowW: you sure it's working at all? :)( |
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| 06:33.35 | bighead | umm, what is wrong with this? |
| 06:33.37 | bighead | debian:/dev# mknod -m 660 hdc b 22 0 |
| 06:33.37 | bighead | mknod: `hdc': Read-only file system |
| 06:33.37 | bighead | debian:/dev# |
| 06:33.42 | jariep1_ | how do I do a search for all files larger than a certain size? |
| 06:34.17 | jariep1_ | in bash |
| 06:34.27 | bighead | jm_: yes? |
| 06:34.39 | pw | jariep1_: use "find", and read the man page. |
| 06:34.45 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 06:34.53 | jariep1_ | thanks pw |
| 06:35.36 | HotFalafel | oh shit |
| 06:35.58 | HotFalafel | I forgot to put 'fi' in my init script |
| 06:36.08 | HotFalafel | dang! |
| 06:36.34 | hax | what's the name of that tool that goes from a kernel source directory with a good .config to a packaged .deb file? |
| 06:37.07 | Guerin | hax: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 06:37.59 | bighead | umm, ok so Ifound out I'm using udev. Now why isn't udev creating my /dev entries for my cdrom and dvd, when dmesg|grep ATAPI reveals the kernel found my dvd drive?! |
| 06:38.28 | peterS | bighead: when you load the 'ide-cd' module it probably will |
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| 06:39.10 | HotFalafel | peterS, how about sound card ? |
| 06:39.12 | Dewi | why do devices need to be mknod'd sometimes? |
| 06:39.21 | peterS | HotFalafel: what about it? |
| 06:39.25 | HotFalafel | udev fscked up my devices settings :( |
| 06:39.26 | Dewi | aren't modules meant to add /devs |
| 06:39.29 | Dewi | ? |
| 06:39.53 | HotFalafel | peterS, I have sysfs and I have a sound card entry ready |
| 06:40.04 | peterS | Dewi: if you aren't using udev, or devfs, then *nothing* creates devices, except 'MAKEDEV' run at install time |
| 06:40.08 | bighead | Dewi's, well as of the new kernels using udev, nope. udev manages /dev entries (as I just found out in a FAQ) |
| 06:40.11 | HotFalafel | peterS, but alsa wont work with the card anymore |
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| 06:40.30 | Dewi | bighead : 2.6.8 using udev? |
| 06:40.38 | bighead | Dewi: apparently yes |
| 06:40.39 | Dewi | (I have the standard debian image) |
| 06:40.39 | numist | argh how do I bring back a stopped process? |
| 06:40.49 | bighead | btw, can anyone tell me how to check if I'm using udev? |
| 06:40.59 | Dewi | bighead : so is there a way to find out what /dev/* corresponds to a particular item in lsmod? |
| 06:41.13 | Dewi | bighead : I seem to have the device but I can't find anything in /dev |
| 06:41.21 | bighead | I don't know yet :-/ |
| 06:41.27 | bighead | Dewi: what device? |
| 06:41.32 | Dewi | bighead : a tv card |
| 06:41.48 | HotFalafel | lspci |
| 06:41.51 | Dewi | I'm getting kernel msgs from it and everything, but none of the 6 or more devices I've seen in various howtos seem to exist |
| 06:41.56 | HotFalafel | get the number in front of it |
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| 06:42.14 | bighead | peterS: umm, I loaded ide-cd. No /dev/hdc* still :-/ |
| 06:42.17 | Dewi | HotFalafel : I get 0000:00:11.0 |
| 06:42.28 | HotFalafel | usually it's under <sysfs mount point>/devices/pci/<number> |
| 06:42.38 | peterS | bighead: I don't use udev so I don't know the specifics of when it's supposed to create devices |
| 06:42.53 | bighead | peterS: ok. thanks |
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| 06:43.28 | Dewi | HotFalafel : right. found it. |
| 06:43.35 | mwilson | peterS: Pretty much whenever the hell it wants. |
| 06:44.01 | Dewi | HotFalafel : but programs seem to want various things under /dev/* |
| 06:44.04 | bighead | is there a separate driver for dvd drives ? |
| 06:44.05 | Dewi | HotFalafel : and they don't find them |
| 06:44.33 | peterS | mwilson: I have a feeling there's something deterministic about udev. I just don't know what |
| 06:44.55 | elnovato | how to configure alsa atiixp ? |
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| 06:45.27 | bighead | umm I loaded ide-cd driver |
| 06:45.30 | bighead | but still no /dev/hdc* or /dev/hdd* |
| 06:45.37 | jmstacey | How come when I use the "uname" command Linux is returned. I know Debian is Linux, but should Debian be returned? |
| 06:45.55 | peterS | jmstacey: no. that would break a lot of scripts |
| 06:46.08 | peterS | jmstacey: they expect to see "Linux" or "AIX" or "SunOS" or whatever, and they react accordingly |
| 06:46.11 | pw | Linux cordelia 2.6.10-2-686-smp #1 SMP Mon Jan 24 14:14:09 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:46.15 | pw | ^^ that's right |
| 06:46.26 | elnovato | howto black listg a module? |
| 06:46.33 | jmstacey | pw ok |
| 06:46.35 | peterS | jmstacey: in proprietary Unix software they use 'uname' *all* the freaking time |
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| 06:47.13 | pw | peterS: Yes, to jump to the right piece of retardedness in their shell scripts. |
| 06:47.30 | insanekane | pw, :) |
| 06:47.43 | peterS | pw: more often than not, yeah. vendors of proprietary unix software seem to write scripts purely by cut and paste |
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| 06:49.07 | sorahn | can someone help me with an error i get when trying to run photoshop 7 with wine? it installed fine, but wont run. |
| 06:49.29 | elnovato | use codeweavers |
| 06:49.55 | REds | ye i agree |
| 06:50.18 | sorahn | k |
| 06:50.23 | bighead | umm, I have a line for IDE CD devices in my /etc/udev/udev.rules. But no /dev/cdrom is made :-/ |
| 06:50.42 | sorahn | wait.... dont you have to pay for that |
| 06:50.45 | HotFalafel | bighead: what does the line say ? |
| 06:51.05 | bighead | HotFalafel: BUS="ide", KERNEL="hd[a-z]", SYSFS{removable}="1", PROGRAM="/bin/cat /proc/ide/%k/media", RESULT="cdrom*", NAME="%k", MODE="0660", GROUP="cdrom" |
| 06:51.09 | RainbowW | is there a howto on encoding from vob to mpeg or avi somewhere? |
| 06:52.09 | HotFalafel | bighead: what does cat /proc/ide/*/media say ? |
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| 06:52.24 | HotFalafel | bighead: replace * with any relevant entry |
| 06:52.25 | hetore | does sarge cd #1 not include kde ? |
| 06:52.53 | Guerin | hetore: sarge hasn't been released yet; there's no cd1. |
| 06:53.01 | bighead | HotFalafel: cat /proc/ide/*/media gives me "disk, cdrom, cdrom" (on separate lines) |
| 06:53.01 | sorahn | its $40... |
| 06:53.12 | bighead | HotFalafel: /proc/ide/hdc/media gives me cdrom |
| 06:53.24 | HotFalafel | hmm.. |
| 06:53.34 | HotFalafel | udev should have detected it |
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| 06:53.46 | HotFalafel | and put it on /dev/hdc |
| 06:53.55 | sorahn | elnovato do you have another suggestion, preferably one that dosent involve money |
| 06:53.55 | REds | sorahn, yes, theres also trial vers |
| 06:54.01 | bighead | but there are only /dev/hda* files |
| 06:54.01 | Guerin | sorahn: given how much you paid for photoshop, another $40 ain't much |
| 06:54.06 | sorahn | but its only for 30 days |
| 06:54.10 | Guerin | you DID pay for photoshop, didn't you? |
| 06:54.13 | REds | yes and ? |
| 06:54.15 | sorahn | i got it from my school |
| 06:54.20 | HotFalafel | bighead, you sure the entry is not commented ? |
| 06:54.23 | sorahn | they have a corporate liscense |
| 06:54.34 | Guerin | then you got a couple hundy worth of software for $40 |
| 06:54.39 | Guerin | congratulations |
| 06:54.48 | REds | exactly |
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| 06:55.08 | sorahn | its only having a problem running, not installing, i was just wondering if someone could help me with the error, not give me another program |
| 06:55.10 | REds | or u can play with winex (cedega) ; sorahn |
| 06:55.30 | Guerin | sorahn: #winehq |
| 06:55.36 | HotFalafel | sorahn, wine is not expected to behave consistently |
| 06:55.38 | sorahn | no one awake in there |
| 06:55.40 | sorahn | i know |
| 06:55.43 | HotFalafel | it's not perfect yet |
| 06:55.44 | Guerin | sorahn: case of beer says they tell you to run winex/cedega/etc |
| 06:55.51 | REds | ye or #crossover |
| 06:55.59 | sorahn | whats the difference between wine and winex |
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| 06:56.05 | sorahn | besides the x |
| 06:56.16 | hetore | directX |
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| 06:56.30 | bighead | HotFalafel: yes, not commented |
| 06:56.34 | Guerin | sorahn: winex is what cedega used to be called... the for-pa version |
| 06:56.35 | Eclipser | HotFalafel, "yet"... far from perfect :) |
| 06:56.36 | Guerin | pay |
| 06:56.42 | ekaf | photoshop definitely uses directx |
| 06:56.50 | sorahn | oh |
| 06:56.58 | HotFalafel | bighead, and you are not using devfs at the same time ? |
| 06:57.08 | elnovato | something like gnome commander but with samba support? |
| 06:57.22 | bighead | HotFalafel: not that I'm aware of. How can I check if i'm not using devfs at the same time? |
| 06:57.23 | HotFalafel | : nods@Eclipser |
| 06:57.23 | sorahn | well, a friend of mine got it working so i tried it, but hes sleeping right now, so i cant ask him for help so i figured id ask you guys |
| 06:57.31 | Guerin | ekaf: photoshop uses directx? |
| 06:57.34 | Guerin | really? |
| 06:57.46 | REds | sorahn, http://frankscorner.org/ http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ there on the winehq.com |
| 06:57.49 | ekaf | definitely |
| 06:57.58 | ekaf | uses it for the graphic rendering |
| 06:57.58 | HotFalafel | bighead, try looking at mount |
| 06:58.07 | Guerin | hrm |
| 06:58.22 | Guerin | been ages since I used it, last version was 6 or so at school |
| 06:58.25 | Dewi | sigh. open /dev/radio: No such file or directory |
| 06:58.34 | ekaf | just about anything audio or graphics wise uses dx now |
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| 06:58.43 | Dewi | what on earth does it actually want? |
| 06:58.45 | HotFalafel | : lost his hard disk for an hour a couple of days ago because of udev |
| 06:58.52 | sorahn | REds. thank you |
| 06:58.53 | sorahn | :) |
| 06:59.34 | zinx | wine supports directx |
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| 06:59.41 | REds | nps ;o , there heaps of help out there start with google.com/linux |
| 06:59.44 | bighead | HotFalafel: mount? |
| 06:59.56 | zinx | winex just supports more of it, mostly more of direct3d |
| 07:00.13 | Dewi | the man page says I need a "radio device". anyone know what, specifically, a "radio device" is? |
| 07:00.33 | ekaf | can anyone recommend a source of info for people who are very technically competent with computers but havent used unix before? |
| 07:00.49 | HotFalafel | bighead, yeah.. mount gives you what is mounted and what is not |
| 07:00.49 | Dewi | I have a whole bunch of things called dev and device under the radio in /sys/ |
| 07:00.54 | Guerin | ekaf: what sort of info? |
| 07:01.12 | ekaf | man |
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| 07:01.17 | HotFalafel | bighead: one more thing you want to be sure sysfs is mounted already |
| 07:01.19 | Guerin | ekaf: man man |
| 07:01.22 | Guerin | :) |
| 07:01.30 | ekaf | the only *nix i know is "ls" |
| 07:01.30 | bighead | HotFalafel: nope, mount doesn't show up any cd related info |
| 07:01.32 | ekaf | hahha |
| 07:01.36 | ekaf | man man man |
| 07:01.38 | bighead | yes, /sys is loaded |
| 07:01.51 | Xtr3 | i was in here earlier asking for feedback on a few business names for an information technology business that i'd like to create, since debian is focused on standards.. earlier my suggestions were "cosmol, cosmel, & cosmal"; most people wasn't to keen on them, so what do you think about "novafront?" |
| 07:02.17 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 07:02.17 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 07:02.32 | HotFalafel | bighead, does mount ay anything about devfs ? |
| 07:02.40 | ekaf | ahh thanks bot-face |
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| 07:02.56 | Guerin | ekaf: that first link is very patronising, but it gives you an overview. After that, look at tldp.org. |
| 07:03.06 | ekaf | wicked |
| 07:03.09 | ekaf | thanks man |
| 07:03.15 | ekaf | i dont mind patronising |
| 07:03.27 | Xtr3 | c'mon. give me some feedback, please |
| 07:03.29 | ekaf | i feel like mr. newbie heheheheh .... |
| 07:03.33 | AlexW | how do i run a program as normal user on port 411? because you need root for this |
| 07:03.44 | ekaf | Xtr3 whats it mean? |
| 07:03.50 | Guerin | new front |
| 07:03.57 | Xtr3 | yeah |
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| 07:04.01 | ekaf | lol that i know |
| 07:04.05 | ekaf | but why that name? |
| 07:04.09 | npx | hi |
| 07:04.29 | npx | I can see that high speed internet is going to result in massive sleep deprivation |
| 07:04.39 | HotFalafel | heh |
| 07:04.40 | ekaf | lol |
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| 07:04.46 | ekaf | too late, it already did |
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| 07:04.56 | npx | =P |
| 07:04.59 | HotFalafel | there surely is a correlation behind that |
| 07:05.46 | Xtr3 | because i want to focus on breaking away from what people are used to (getting taken for granted from software giants like microsoft) |
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| 07:06.04 | HotFalafel | bighead, last thing to do is try udevstart.. that should refresh udev |
| 07:06.17 | nivekz | Hello. I want to have the remote control of the current screen on my computer which is running debian, what should i do |
| 07:07.22 | Xtr3 | if you don't like it please feel free to say so |
| 07:07.40 | ekaf | sorry man i gotta few windows open |
| 07:07.42 | npx | bighead, is there any particular reason you're using udev? |
| 07:07.47 | ekaf | i think it sounds good |
| 07:07.51 | HotFalafel | nivekz, ssh ? |
| 07:08.07 | ekaf | and it has a meaning that you can build the business around |
| 07:08.14 | npx | I'm probably preaching to the converted here, but unless you know exactly what you're doing udev is probably more trouble than it's worth |
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| 07:08.40 | Xtr3 | do you care if i pm you? |
| 07:08.44 | nivekz | HotFalafel: Can ssh access the screen which is already taken by the local machine? |
| 07:08.53 | HotFalafel | sure |
| 07:09.02 | HotFalafel | that's the beauty of X |
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| 07:09.35 | HotFalafel | and yeah, I am assuming you meant X screen.. not some console screen |
| 07:09.44 | npx | nivekz you could export a screen from your debian machine to my windows desktop over the internet via X - it's ass kicking |
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| 07:10.18 | HotFalafel | : always do it to access his folder content at home from college |
| 07:10.39 | nivekz | npx: well, anyway, how to do that? |
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| 07:11.09 | npx | nivekz, there are 3 ways that I'm familiar with |
| 07:11.22 | npx | SSH + X forward, xhost authentication and xauth authentication |
| 07:11.23 | elnovato | how to share a directorie with samba _ |
| 07:11.23 | elnovato | ? |
| 07:12.16 | elnovato | alo? |
| 07:12.20 | nivekz | npx, ah ... i have tried the first two but didn't manage to export the current screen |
| 07:12.54 | Guerin | elnovato: rtfm samba |
| 07:12.56 | HotFalafel | nivekz: look into /etc/ssh*.conf |
| 07:13.14 | HotFalafel | nivekz: make sure X11 forwarding is enabled |
| 07:13.16 | npx | SSH + X forwarding is probably the simplest. You'd enable X Forwarding on the ssh server, run an X server locally, then do 'DISPLAY=localhost:0 Xapplication' - you have to configure localhost to accept X connections from the ssh server, so you'd do xhost +ssh_server (or read the xauth manual which is beyond my comprehension) |
| 07:13.29 | npx | it sounds more complicated than it is |
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| 07:13.54 | npx | well, not the simplest, but the best, ssh actually compresses the X protocol better than LBX |
| 07:14.44 | sbk | I don't think this is what nivekz wants. He wants something functionally more like vnc |
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| 07:15.40 | nivekz | oops, maybe sbk is right |
| 07:15.41 | npx | how is that at all unlike VNC functionality? |
| 07:16.24 | sbk | what you are saying, is how to get an X client on the server to use your local X server over ssh. |
| 07:16.30 | npx | With the goal being to display remote apps locally (exactly what vnc does) |
| 07:16.33 | Xenguy | nivekz: you may want to google 'FreeNX' also; it's newer than VNC, and faster apparently (not sure if it applies to your setup or not tho) |
| 07:16.56 | sbk | what he wants, is basically to capture the screen at the X server, and presumably all the mouse/keyboard events as well, so basically 2 people manipulate and control the "same" X server, if that makes sense |
| 07:17.04 | npx | If you want to display an entire remote desktop locally you could use xnest to do that |
| 07:17.18 | nivekz | oh, exactly, sbk |
| 07:17.22 | npx | oh, at the same time |
| 07:17.30 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 07:17.30 | nivekz | thanks for clarification |
| 07:18.30 | nivekz | yes there are some program running already, i want to have a look at it or control it remotely |
| 07:18.47 | nivekz | X program |
| 07:19.14 | npx | I've never even used VNC, never had any reason to |
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| 07:20.18 | doojin | hi |
| 07:20.22 | doojin | what is gtk+? |
| 07:20.26 | jm_ | nivekz: there's a tool for that |
| 07:20.28 | doojin | I couldn't find gtk+ pakcage in my linux |
| 07:20.42 | nivekz | oh, I have tried VNC but seems it can not setup access to the display:0, only new ones |
| 07:21.01 | doojin | ........... |
| 07:21.15 | jm_ | http://xmacro.sourceforge.net/ http://www.infa.abo.fi/~chakie/xremote/ |
| 07:21.15 | npx | doojin ........ apt-cache search gtk |
| 07:21.20 | jm_ | nivekz: it can if you use x0rfb server |
| 07:21.21 | npx | www.google.com |
| 07:21.22 | npx | thx |
| 07:21.29 | doojin | npx : how about dpkg -- list gtk*? |
| 07:21.31 | Guerin | !thx |
| 07:21.31 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 07:21.32 | jm_ | so use rfb |
| 07:21.32 | Orcrist | doojin, gtk+ is a library for displaying things in a gui... almost anything you run in gnome needs it... and many kde and even windows apps |
| 07:21.55 | HotFalafel | lol |
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| 07:22.06 | Orcrist | !gtk+ |
| 07:22.06 | dpkg | well, gtk+ is the GIMP ToolKit - http://www.gtk.org/, or the best, cleanest, most stable high-level ui toolkit out there. |
| 07:22.09 | doojin | how to check gtk+ version? |
| 07:22.14 | npx | Yes, THX is an audio tech company founded by george lucas |
| 07:22.16 | npx | thx = thanks |
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| 07:22.28 | Orcrist | doojin... do what npx suggested |
| 07:22.33 | Orcrist | that should spit you back the version as well |
| 07:22.37 | Guerin | npx: no. thx = I'm a tard, muh. |
| 07:22.52 | doojin | Orcrist : apt-cache just shows me what repository has |
| 07:22.58 | efault | nivekz: what you are saying is that I open a new session of the window? .. And do I have to install VNC-server to be able to run it on my Windows machine? |
| 07:23.00 | doojin | not what my linux has |
| 07:23.01 | Orcrist | ahhh |
| 07:23.02 | jetscreamer | tar-day |
| 07:23.03 | ekaf | so guys once i install debian, what should i do to avoid virii etc from the network? |
| 07:23.13 | npx | Guerin fuck what you think |
| 07:23.17 | doojin | I can't check gtk+ version in my linux by apt-cache |
| 07:23.19 | npx | thx! |
| 07:23.20 | Guerin | ekaf: just run it. |
| 07:23.22 | Orcrist | do you have synaptic? it gives details... unless you really jsut want to go command line |
| 07:23.23 | jetscreamer | doojin, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && man apt-file |
| 07:23.29 | numist | ekaf: virii? your funny... |
| 07:23.31 | insanekane | ekaf, i was not aware that GNU/Linux suffered from viruses |
| 07:23.32 | HotFalafel | ekaf ??? :O |
| 07:23.41 | ekaf | lol |
| 07:23.42 | jetscreamer | see also dpkg -l blah |
| 07:23.45 | numist | ekaf: virii need not apply |
| 07:23.50 | HotFalafel | Linux virus are unique |
| 07:23.51 | ekaf | okay so now that everyone is laughing at me |
| 07:23.55 | ekaf | hehehe |
| 07:24.04 | HotFalafel | they do become of extinct |
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| 07:24.08 | ekaf | sweet |
| 07:24.14 | ekaf | man windows has gotten crazy |
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| 07:24.25 | HotFalafel | Windows virus are violent and never stop |
| 07:24.25 | numist | ekaf: just stay worried about your updates, and then youll be all set |
| 07:24.26 | nivekz | jm_: thanks a lot i will look into those sites |
| 07:24.26 | insanekane | HotFalafel, in that there few research viruses that work under extremely suspect circumstances ? |
| 07:24.27 | Guerin | ekaf: just keep up-to-date on your security and you should be ok. The usual advice applies - good passwords, don't run stuff as root, don't run unknown software from emails or the web ... etc. |
| 07:24.30 | ekaf | you cant put it on a network until you patch it and you have to get on the network to get the patches |
| 07:24.38 | jetscreamer | it's viruses not virii fyi jsyk nidcyad |
| 07:24.41 | jm_ | nivekz: also do apt-cache show rfb |
| 07:24.49 | Guerin | ekaf: I have to do a win2k install tomorrow or so |
| 07:24.53 | numist | ekaf: to get a virus on linux, you have to download it and run it yourself. As root. |
| 07:24.55 | ekaf | jets yeh i know but im lazy |
| 07:24.59 | numist | ekaf: so, just dont :P |
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| 07:25.24 | insanekane | numist, if one is able to find a source for the virus ie |
| 07:25.31 | Guerin | ekaf: I'm going download sp4 and avg and some other goodness in advance |
| 07:25.39 | ekaf | guerin i'd strongly advise d/l the lsass service fixes and the latest service pack first |
| 07:25.44 | Guerin | numist: not strictly true. |
| 07:25.46 | numist | insanekane: well, Im assuming it was emailed to you like that last 'virus' for fedora :P |
| 07:26.01 | numist | Guerin: well, in the case of overflows, wouldnt that be countable as a kernel vuln? |
| 07:26.03 | jetscreamer | Guerin, ie6sux |
| 07:26.04 | Guerin | ekaf: yeah, I'm going to. I just have to install it, not use it. |
| 07:26.05 | ekaf | definitely get the lsass fix or sasser variants will whip you before you can patch it |
| 07:26.07 | insanekane | numist, virus for fedora ? link ? |
| 07:26.19 | doojin | apt-file is ....slow |
| 07:26.21 | Guerin | jetscreamer: 'goodness' will include firefox as the default browser, natch. |
| 07:26.30 | insanekane | Guerin, so there are viruses for linux ? |
| 07:26.38 | insanekane | Guerin, as in, in-the-wild ? |
| 07:26.38 | mlewis00 | ekaf: You might want to install an iptables firewall, though...hwfirewall is one (if you want to learn about iptables). |
| 07:26.40 | doojin | dpkg --list gtk* is better |
| 07:26.41 | dpkg | doojin: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:26.46 | jetscreamer | it's good to update it to 5.5 though even if it's not the default browser |
| 07:26.52 | Guerin | numist: no. |
| 07:26.59 | numist | insanekane: someone purchased fedora-redhat.com (official is fedora.redhat.com) and spammed around a mail about vulns in ls and cp, which were exploitable. To fix, dl this pkg, compile, insert root passwd, and run |
| 07:27.01 | ekaf | is iptables a routing table app? |
| 07:27.06 | Guerin | insanekane: they do exist, or have existed. |
| 07:27.06 | HotFalafel | : always download updates before reinstall |
| 07:27.07 | numist | insanekane: and it was called a virus by the media.. rofl |
| 07:27.09 | doojin | dpkg : you are a bot? |
| 07:27.10 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, doojin |
| 07:27.17 | numist | ekaf: it can be used as such |
| 07:27.23 | jetscreamer | !bot |
| 07:27.23 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:27.25 | numist | ekaf: it also can be used for firewall |
| 07:27.25 | insanekane | numist, heh ok ... :) |
| 07:27.38 | Guerin | insanekane: there's not a lot to talk about, honestly, but anything's possible. |
| 07:27.38 | HotFalafel | Guerin, download the full update package, and run that instead of downloading one by one fixes |
| 07:27.42 | numist | insanekane: check fedora-redhat.us (or .com, or whatever) it might still be up |
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| 07:27.49 | ekaf | like a hardware router then |
| 07:28.07 | Guerin | HotFalafel: Yeah, I know how to patch windows boxen ... I was a windows user for years and years. |
| 07:28.11 | numist | ekaf: thats what Im on at the moment, a debian system acting as router via firehol, which makes using iptables easier |
| 07:28.24 | gameover | anyone know why i would get a black screen when switching the X11 driver from vesa to fglrx |
| 07:28.52 | doojin | there isn't gtk+ package |
| 07:29.03 | Guerin | !find gtk+ |
| 07:29.07 | dpkg | libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev: (Development files for the GDK Backend based on DirectFB), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.0.9-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1079 kB, Installed size: 3512 kB |
| 07:29.12 | doojin | in my linux |
| 07:29.12 | HotFalafel | : shudders when he he ars windows updates |
| 07:29.13 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:29.22 | jetscreamer | Guerin, i install zonealarm before i turn on the dsl modem |
| 07:29.23 | Guerin | that's a stupid package to pick at random |
| 07:29.31 | ekaf | jets same here eh |
| 07:29.46 | HotFalafel | hehehe |
| 07:29.48 | HotFalafel | yeah |
| 07:29.53 | ekaf | xen unfortunately people switching from windoze to linux is a big part of linux |
| 07:29.55 | HotFalafel | we shouldnt chat windoze here |
| 07:30.18 | jetscreamer | this is about money/job, not windows |
| 07:30.25 | Xenguy | ekaf: then switch ;-) |
| 07:30.32 | jetscreamer | windows is just an evil byproduct |
| 07:30.44 | ekaf | well i have to admit that as a windows expert trying out linux, comparisons between the two are extremely good education |
| 07:31.07 | doojin | I'm |
| 07:31.10 | doojin | downloading gtk+ 2.6 |
| 07:31.11 | john | What comparison? lol |
| 07:31.21 | doojin | how bothering |
| 07:31.25 | npx | saying this is anathema, but linux should take some cues from windows and vice versa |
| 07:31.34 | jetscreamer | windows is. |
| 07:31.37 | ekaf | well i was talking about how to avoid viruses like you have to do in windoze |
| 07:31.46 | nivekz | oops, is it possible to move a |
| 07:31.55 | sbk | oh gawd, having condescending unix users is bad enough, don't need condescending windows admins too |
| 07:31.57 | jetscreamer | ms has a big phat linux research center. |
| 07:32.05 | npx | or, rather, windows should take some cues from macos (again) |
| 07:32.07 | nivekz | oops, is it possible to move a application/process from other session to current one |
| 07:32.21 | john | jetscreamer: they must not do a good job then right? |
| 07:32.47 | Orcrist | wonder if that's kind of like apple's big phat BSD research center |
| 07:32.48 | jetscreamer | there's nothing wrong with a properly administered and maintained windows box. |
| 07:33.02 | ekaf | well they crash too much |
| 07:33.07 | Guerin | !wayttd doojin |
| 07:33.07 | john | jetscreamer: depends. |
| 07:33.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, doojin? |
| 07:33.09 | ekaf | thats the main reason im trying linux |
| 07:33.26 | steve2 | Hi, I'm back to trying to build ssh w/chroot patch on Stable after looking at rssh which is currently only in Sid. get conffile /etc/ssh/ssh_config does not appear in package. |
| 07:33.26 | john | But windows has it's advantages.. gaming mainly. |
| 07:33.27 | ekaf | cause im told its more stable and that makes sense from what little i know of its architecture |
| 07:33.34 | npx | jetscreamer just that getting to that point is sorta annoying - configuring a windows firewall is like stabbing yourself in the face with a fork (after having experienced the joy of ipf and the like) |
| 07:33.34 | jetscreamer | problem is you have to lock em down a lot more |
| 07:33.42 | ekaf | windows big advantage is ease of use |
| 07:33.46 | Orcrist | yes |
| 07:33.47 | Guerin | pah |
| 07:33.49 | Orcrist | and multimedia |
| 07:33.54 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:33.57 | Guerin | windows is only easy because it's what you grew up with |
| 07:33.58 | Dewi | and having software available for it |
| 07:33.59 | jetscreamer | multimedia my ass |
| 07:34.00 | docta_v | when i do an apt-get install xfce...apt lists a lot of recommended packages that don't get automatically installed...is there a flag I can give to apt-get to install these because I didn't see anything in the man page about it |
| 07:34.10 | ekaf | i agree with jetscreamer |
| 07:34.12 | Orcrist | I mean, I like mplayer and all... but there are like 6000 windows jukemovieboxes that own it outright |
| 07:34.15 | Guerin | and there's way more software for *n?x |
| 07:34.16 | gameover | another resason its easy is because major companies code for it |
| 07:34.22 | gameover | the ATi driver for instance |
| 07:34.38 | ekaf | i do music production and if i had a $ for every time windoze has crapped itself mid-session... i'd buy the company |
| 07:34.43 | Guerin | by 'more software', ITYM "photoshop, freehand, dreamweaver" |
| 07:34.44 | jetscreamer | docta_v, aptitude --with-recommends or --with-suggests (one got taken out) be careful, it sticks. |
| 07:34.45 | npx | any pot head will tell you that what counts is quality, not quantity |
| 07:34.45 | sbk | nivekz: not in any real sense of that term, but (as I think you may have already discovered) you can at least shift around the display portion of your X client if you started it against a suitably nimble X server |
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| 07:34.50 | Dewi | ekaf : windows or your sound application? |
| 07:34.55 | Orcrist | ekaf, I'm talking about home desktop use |
| 07:35.01 | Orcrist | for the average end-user |
| 07:35.03 | Orcrist | not the professional |
| 07:35.07 | ekaf | dewi: windows... |
| 07:35.23 | docta_v | jetscreamer: so after I set that, all apt-gets will follow that behavior? |
| 07:35.33 | numist | ekaf: first, if your doing sound professionally, you should probably have been using a powermac... |
| 07:35.37 | ekaf | oh yeh its great for plugging in somethign like a camera and it just goes |
| 07:35.39 | jetscreamer | it's not apt-get |
| 07:35.49 | ekaf | numist why |
| 07:35.59 | jetscreamer | but it still sticks like that, even with apt-get |
| 07:36.00 | npx | numist there are plenty of good audio applications for windows |
| 07:36.07 | jetscreamer | or did |
| 07:36.18 | numist | ekaf: every place Ive gone thats done music.. sony, activision, movie studios, theyve all used powermacs for their sound |
| 07:36.20 | jetscreamer | docta_v, try synaptic or dselect |
| 07:36.25 | Dewi | anybody happen to know what /dev/radio corresponds to in the /sys/ area? |
| 07:36.25 | npx | I can't say I've used any of the ones for mac, but I've toyed with a few on windows with satisfactory results |
| 07:36.30 | docta_v | ok |
| 07:36.30 | ekaf | lots of oldschool audio or graphics peeps say that |
| 07:36.41 | gameover | i ran windows xp on this box for years, crashes happen 1x or 2x a day |
| 07:36.44 | numist | ekaf: for video they may have used special machines, but audio was always on a mac, powerpcs are faster on those kinds of computations, and they wind up being more stable |
| 07:36.46 | Guerin | a/v production, professional graphics and 3d modelling/cad are areas where free software is fairly immature |
| 07:36.51 | ekaf | yeh thats because thats what they used back in the day when pc's werent up to the job, and its become industry standard |
| 07:36.58 | Dewi | gameover : your hardware is probably broken |
| 07:37.01 | ekaf | but so are yamaha ns-10s and theyre crap |
| 07:37.05 | Dewi | gameover : or the software is crashing, not windows |
| 07:37.08 | gameover | and i keep this box cool and i memtest86 reports no bad sectors |
| 07:37.08 | numist | ekaf: and, on a cost basis, it costs about the same for a pro mac sound setup as it does to use a windows box in the same application |
| 07:37.15 | npx | Guerin Audacity is a huge step in the right direction |
| 07:37.17 | jetscreamer | nowadays, you just plug shit in linux, but it doesn't cost as much |
| 07:37.25 | gameover | err bad bits in ram |
| 07:37.31 | ekaf | its the same reason most businesses use windows |
| 07:37.31 | Guerin | npx: yeah, audacity is good. And the ladspa framework is nifty |
| 07:37.31 | npx | Guerin and, for all it's shortcomings, artsd is too |
| 07:37.33 | Orcrist | ardour is nice |
| 07:37.35 | numist | ekaf: pcs still arent up to speed, try using powerpc assembly sometime |
| 07:37.35 | jetscreamer | gameover, sectors? :) |
| 07:37.37 | john | back to debian anybody? |
| 07:37.38 | john | oll |
| 07:37.38 | ekaf | windows isnt the best product, linux is |
| 07:37.44 | nivekz | sbk: ah sorry I dont understand very well it will be ok |
| 07:37.45 | Guerin | ehh, artsd has given me nothing but grief |
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| 07:37.50 | gameover | bits |
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| 07:37.59 | sbk | nivekz: oh well :) good luck |
| 07:38.00 | gameover | ive been running debian about 3 days and not a single crash |
| 07:38.04 | Orcrist | if you set up your box correctly (ie recompiling the kernel to play nice with timeslicing in real-time audio apps) then linux can be very powerful |
| 07:38.10 | npx | Guerin yeah, but it has a very cool ladspa interface. It's really only worthwhile if you use KDE. |
| 07:38.13 | Orcrist | especially given its ability to cluster |
| 07:38.16 | Odysseus_ | join #debian-fr |
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| 07:38.29 | Dewi | yeah, so if linux is so good, somebody tell me why my tv card is probing and generating kernel log messages, but I don't seem to have /dev/radio or /dev/video or /dev/v4l or /dev/dvb or any of the things the programs actually use? |
| 07:38.30 | jetscreamer | i have w2k adv server and debian. w2k is on an hd on my dresser now. |
| 07:38.30 | gameover | granted i cant get 3d to work, and thats where windows had been crashing |
| 07:38.32 | Guerin | npx: right. Which most a/'v geeks probably would, anyway, since they like *candy. |
| 07:38.38 | npx | *nods* |
| 07:38.56 | AlexW | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 411 \ |
| 07:38.56 | AlexW | -j REDIRECT --to-port 1412 |
| 07:39.02 | AlexW | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables |
| 07:39.02 | AlexW | iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 07:39.02 | AlexW | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 07:39.03 | AlexW | ? |
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| 07:39.04 | Guerin | AlexW: #iptables |
| 07:39.07 | Xenguy | bye |
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| 07:39.13 | jetscreamer | gee i didn't see that coming |
| 07:39.14 | Guerin | AlexW: #iptables |
| 07:39.19 | Guerin | AlexW: you fucking idiot |
| 07:39.19 | AlexW | ohh |
| 07:39.25 | AlexW | dont swear |
| 07:39.29 | AlexW | doesnt achive anything |
| 07:39.32 | Guerin | I like swearing though |
| 07:39.36 | npx | yeah it is fun |
| 07:39.36 | AlexW | so.. |
| 07:39.37 | Dewi | the most documentation I can find on radio devices seems to say "/dev/radio should be a radio device". what's a radio device? while we're on the topic, I've never seen anything so generically named in windows... |
| 07:39.37 | Guerin | yeah it does |
| 07:39.38 | jetscreamer | yes it does, it makes you feel better |
| 07:39.40 | AlexW | swear to your self |
| 07:39.42 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:39.43 | john | lo |
| 07:39.47 | Dewi | or if it is, you can at least find some info online |
| 07:39.50 | jetscreamer | then it doesn't make you feel better |
| 07:39.51 | Dewi | but not this time it seems |
| 07:39.53 | Guerin | it makes you realise how pissed off I am that you can still be so stupid |
| 07:39.55 | ekaf | orcrist in an attempt to move back to linux (hehehe) whats the story with recompiling the kernel for audio slicing? |
| 07:39.57 | jm_ | Dewi: read ddevices.txt |
| 07:40.04 | jm_ | devices.txt even |
| 07:40.11 | steve2 | Hi, I'm back to trying to build ssh w/chroot patch on Stable after looking at rssh which is currently only in Sid. get conffile /etc/ssh/ssh_config does not appear in package. |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | !ssh chroot |
| 07:40.23 | dpkg | from memory, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 07:40.29 | Orcrist | you can configure your kernel to give precedence to real-time audio |
| 07:40.34 | Orcrist | so you get no skips and pops |
| 07:40.36 | Dewi | jm_ : I don't seem to have one |
| 07:40.38 | Orcrist | when recording and mixing live |
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| 07:40.48 | jm_ | Dewi: so find it |
| 07:40.52 | gameover | AlenW: what are you some kind of nancy boy who doesnt like swearing |
| 07:40.52 | Orcrist | it requires a recompile and a few other tweaks |
| 07:40.56 | npx | <3 futurama... <bender> I guess I'll do what I always do when I run out of booze...*breaks down into tears* |
| 07:40.58 | Orcrist | but then it plays very nicely with ardour |
| 07:41.04 | AlexW | no |
| 07:41.08 | Dewi | jm_ : what, on the net? it's not on my machine. |
| 07:41.10 | AlexW | but hes always swearing |
| 07:41.27 | jm_ | Dewi: doesn't matter, Debian certainly provides it in many packages |
| 07:41.27 | ekaf | Orcrist are you running demudi by any chance? |
| 07:41.30 | steve2 | I will only allow sftp in the chroot. size shouldn't be too bad. |
| 07:41.31 | Guerin | #edebian gives me plenty to swear about |
| 07:41.31 | Orcrist | no |
| 07:41.43 | AlexW | whats edebian? |
| 07:41.44 | steve2 | Anyway, why am i having trouble building? |
| 07:41.50 | ekaf | you seem to know a fair bit about the audio stuff |
| 07:41.54 | Guerin | it's an etypo |
| 07:41.56 | gameover | !find edebian |
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| 07:41.59 | dpkg | libc-client2002edebian: (UW c-client library for mail protocols), section libs, is optional. Version: 7:2002edebian1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 566 kB, Installed size: 1128 kB |
| 07:42.05 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:42.08 | Guerin | !win gameover |
| 07:42.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, gameover! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 07:42.10 | ekaf | i really appreciate your advice man |
| 07:42.18 | Orcrist | ekaf it also kind of (loosely) requires you to use the jack sound daemon |
| 07:42.19 | Dewi | jm_ : nothing very interesting there |
| 07:42.27 | gameover | haha |
| 07:42.45 | jetscreamer | !tell ekaf about marillat |
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| 07:43.02 | Guerin | steve2: that's a client config file. Does this package provide a ssh client? |
| 07:43.11 | ekaf | thx jets |
| 07:43.16 | Orcrist | but if its a multipurpose box you can just set all that up with your "multimedia" kernel when you boot |
| 07:43.20 | jetscreamer | nive a/v stuff |
| 07:43.25 | jetscreamer | s/nive/nice/ |
| 07:43.27 | Guerin | ekaf: http://www.fixyourtabkey.com |
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| 07:44.13 | npx | and I forgot to mention this, but as an API for dealing with sound hardware artsd rocks |
| 07:44.27 | Orcrist | ekaf I think there's a page on how to set it up under mandrake... but most of the stuff could/should cross over to debian |
| 07:44.31 | Orcrist | lemme look |
| 07:44.35 | npx | Take a look at the source code for juk some time, you'd be amazed how simple it is |
| 07:44.57 | jm_ | Dewi: really? so you're saying it doesn't mention what radio device is |
| 07:44.57 | steve2 | the ssh client is built as part of the package. (openssh-3.4p1) ssh_config is in the directory, I assume some dpkg script will magically put the ssh_config in /etc. |
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| 07:45.14 | elnovato | are you people from china or im not the only vampire in herre? |
| 07:45.21 | Orcrist | ekaf: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8018846552.html |
| 07:45.27 | Guerin | steve2: are you building a debian package? |
| 07:45.29 | ekaf | guerin: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=abbreviation |
| 07:45.31 | ekaf | hehehe |
| 07:45.37 | npx | elnovato 2:45 AM baby |
| 07:45.49 | Dewi | jm_ : it says "radio device", "symbolic" and "backward compatability" |
| 07:45.57 | nsillik | likewise 2:45... and it's not even /close/ to late here |
| 07:46.15 | npx | yeah this is prime time |
| 07:46.16 | Dewi | jm_ : it also says "video4linux" |
| 07:46.21 | npx | no one stealing all the bandwidth on my cable |
| 07:46.26 | Guerin | !fgi ekaf you+should+use+peoples+real+names+so+their+irc+client+highlights+them |
| 07:46.27 | dpkg | ekaf: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=you+should+use+peoples+real+names+so+their+irc+client+highlights+them |
| 07:46.30 | Dewi | jm_ : and the numbers 81 and 64 |
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| 07:46.32 | npx | no fuckers coming to the door unless they've got booze |
| 07:46.36 | jcoiron | hello |
| 07:46.50 | Guerin | npx: that's a sound policy |
| 07:47.00 | steve2 | yes, I did apt-get source ssh; apt-get build-deps ssh; patch ...; and then I've had fun making error messages go away while doing dpkg -b openssh-3.4p1 |
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| 07:47.12 | steve2 | like ln -s debian DEBIAN |
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| 07:47.34 | Guerin | steve2: then it should put the config files in the right place. Does it not do so on install? |
| 07:47.47 | steve2 | I'm trying to build the .deb |
| 07:47.48 | ekaf | guerin: www.awwwdiddumsnohighlightswahhhhh.com |
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| 07:48.06 | npx | hhaha |
| 07:48.12 | AlexW | but ive installed iptables |
| 07:48.16 | Guerin | ekaf: you lose the url escalation war |
| 07:48.30 | JacobBrown | hi |
| 07:48.41 | Guerin | steve2: weird. Read the makefile and see what's breaking. |
| 07:48.56 | ekaf | do i? |
| 07:49.04 | Guerin | ekaf: yes. |
| 07:49.06 | jm_ | Dewi: it says radio is a symlink to radio0, which is listed above with its major/minor number |
| 07:49.06 | ekaf | i didnt know i was fighting |
| 07:49.19 | jm_ | Dewi: also check if makedev knows about it |
| 07:49.19 | npx | yeah, neither did the iraqis |
| 07:49.22 | Guerin | ekaf: so you say... |
| 07:49.22 | npx | till it was too late! |
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| 07:49.23 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:49.24 | ekaf | LOL |
| 07:49.38 | JacobBrown | so I want to save a xpm file in gimp, but whenever I try, I get the error: "Plug-In could note save image"... I'm running debian unstable... can anyone else reproduce this? |
| 07:49.38 | Guerin | no-one expects the #debian inquisition! |
| 07:49.42 | Dewi | jm_ : I don't have anything in /dev/ called radio, radio0, video4linux, dvb, video, video0, or anything else that looks likely |
| 07:49.58 | Dewi | jm_ : I do have about 30 different likely-looking things under /sys/ though |
| 07:49.58 | ekaf | so why did i lose? |
| 07:50.02 | jm_ | Dewi: maybe you're using udev or somesuch |
| 07:50.02 | nivekz | does VNC display only work with VNC viewer? |
| 07:50.07 | npx | I think the appeal to diddums did you in |
| 07:50.09 | elnovato | soo saarge will become stable, i need to switch to SID , right? |
| 07:50.11 | ekaf | i should get to know the rules of this game |
| 07:50.12 | Dewi | jm_ : Probably I am |
| 07:50.20 | steve2 | It hasn't even started compiling. I assume it's checking conffiles in the debian directory. I have't tried to understand the rules file in detail yet. |
| 07:50.21 | Guerin | ekaf: because you failed to come up with a more convoluted url to embed your next statement in, naturally. |
| 07:50.31 | Orcrist | Dewi... some of those things you mentioned have to be compiled into your kernel to work |
| 07:50.34 | jm_ | Dewi: well I have never used it, but I suspect it should be able to make the device if you load the right kernel modules |
| 07:50.35 | ekaf | oh it has to be convoluted |
| 07:50.56 | ekaf | well if i could be bothered doing that, i'd just hit tab wouldnt i |
| 07:50.56 | jcoiron | britney.debian.org does not exists and I can't find a webpage for it on debian.org (7 results only with google search on debian.org). Is there a place where I could learn what "and to Anthony Towns for hand-holding britney through the transition" in DWN means ? |
| 07:50.58 | Dewi | Orcrist : pretty sure I have all I need in 2.6.8 |
| 07:51.02 | Guerin | yeah, or otherwise ph333rsome |
| 07:51.13 | Guerin | well, that's my point |
| 07:51.17 | Dewi | jm_ : the module is loaded. It's in lsmod and it's sending me kernel messages. |
| 07:51.26 | Guerin | arright, off to skool |
| 07:51.28 | npx | hahahah wtf jcoiron |
| 07:51.38 | Orcrist | Dewi... some things don't come in the stock debian kernel... you have to compile in support for those modules |
| 07:51.40 | ekaf | next time, Guerin, neeeext tiiiiime ;) |
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| 07:51.54 | Guerin | jcoiron: heh. Britney is one of the build scripts. |
| 07:51.55 | Orcrist | the install-time module probe can miss things... and you have to manually add them and tweak them in some cases' |
| 07:51.56 | Guerin | !britney |
| 07:52.01 | Orcrist | that goes for all types of hardware |
| 07:52.03 | Dewi | Orcrist : all of the things mentioned in various howtos appear to be in my kernel |
| 07:52.12 | Orcrist | Dewi - roger that |
| 07:52.12 | Dewi | Orcrist : or automatically probed modules |
| 07:52.18 | Dewi | Orcrist : they just don't DO anything |
| 07:52.21 | jcoiron | Guerin: ha :) thx |
| 07:52.24 | Dewi | this happened back before the udev days too |
| 07:52.28 | Dewi | I'd put a TV card in |
| 07:52.33 | Dewi | probe it, all would be great |
| 07:52.42 | Dewi | but all the software looks for various random things in /dev/ which were never there |
| 07:52.43 | JacobBrown | can someone help me? :( |
| 07:52.43 | Guerin | I can't remember exactly what it does, but it's something to do with packages autobuilding or propagating from sid -> sarge or something |
| 07:52.49 | steve2 | I don't know if it matters, but I'm on a UML machine. |
| 07:52.50 | Dewi | then I'd mess around mknoding randomly and it got me nowhere |
| 07:53.00 | AlexW | Guerin: this is a debian problem |
| 07:53.04 | Orcrist | Jacob, ask your question |
| 07:53.16 | Orcrist | wait, you did |
| 07:53.18 | Orcrist | sry |
| 07:53.34 | ekaf | Orcrist is that link the OS youre running? |
| 07:53.37 | Guerin | steve2: shouldn't |
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| 07:53.42 | JacobBrown | Orcrist, :P |
| 07:53.52 | Orcrist | no ekaf... I used to run mandrake though |
| 07:53.56 | Orcrist | quite a while ago |
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| 07:54.03 | Orcrist | i run ubuntu at the moment |
| 07:54.05 | ekaf | i read about ccrma on mandrake |
| 07:54.24 | Orcrist | sry Jacob have no idea... what is an xpm again? sounds familiar but it's late and I'm tired |
| 07:54.27 | ekaf | Orcrist do you actually run audio stuff now, or do you just know heaps about it |
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| 07:54.34 | Orcrist | ekaf, not anymore |
| 07:54.42 | ekaf | ahh |
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| 07:55.00 | elnovato | ubuntu sort of noob |
| 07:55.00 | Dewi | anybody know where udev has documentation? |
| 07:55.09 | JacobBrown | Orcrist, xpm = x pixmap format, it was designed for xwindows... it's cool because you can include the file directly in a c file or compile it seperatly... |
| 07:55.25 | Orcrist | elnovato... saying any distro is 'n00b' is noob in itself |
| 07:55.26 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:55.40 | npx | Ubuntu sounds neat |
| 07:55.46 | Orcrist | ubuntu is clean and simple and not bloated |
| 07:55.48 | JacobBrown | Orcrist, of course the format is soo easy I could edit it with vim, but I want to be able to use gimp like how it used to :) |
| 07:56.07 | Orcrist | I broke SuSE into about 900 pieces by installing ximian gnome on it... a novell product nonetheless |
| 07:56.19 | Orcrist | and was about to throw my hands up when my buddy told me about ubuntu |
| 07:56.21 | npx | But desktop distros usually fall short of my expectations, and annoy me. I like Debian because it makes no promises about it's usability for any task, yet manages to do pretty well at whatever I throw at it. |
| 07:56.31 | JacobBrown | I think the problem is in the libxpm library, but I want to see if it's broken on everyone running debian-unstable or if it's just my setup |
| 07:56.37 | zinx | JacobBrown: are you having problems reading xpms, or saving them? |
| 07:56.44 | JacobBrown | zinx, saving |
| 07:57.05 | zinx | JacobBrown: made sure you thresholded the alpha and have a single layer? |
| 07:57.18 | npx | Orcrist that's odd, last i used the ximian installer it worked great |
| 07:57.20 | jetscreamer | maybe you're saving it indexed |
| 07:57.26 | npx | (this was in 98 or 99?) |
| 07:57.28 | jetscreamer | change to rgb |
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| 07:57.31 | JacobBrown | zinx, yeah... like if I just open an xpm and then click save, it gets the error |
| 07:57.40 | Orcrist | lol well this was earlier this year, SuSE 9.0 |
| 07:57.55 | jetscreamer | that was for you JacobBrown |
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| 07:58.08 | coywolf | anyone uses RCS? is it popular? |
| 07:58.10 | AlexW | dpkg -l | grep kernel-image give me no output is that good? |
| 07:58.11 | dpkg | grep kernel-image give me no output is that good |
| 07:58.24 | Dewi | /sys/class/video4linux has a bunch of really useful looking stuff. Any idea how I can obtain something like /dev/radio from it? |
| 07:58.28 | zinx | JacobBrown: i get it too; file a bug |
| 07:58.36 | jetscreamer | grep -i maybe |
| 07:58.39 | zinx | JacobBrown: (assuming one hasn't already been filed ;) ) |
| 07:58.41 | Orcrist | ximian ate up half my packages, UNINSTALLED the copy of evolution I had without replacing it... and cause 177 package dependency breaks |
| 07:58.46 | chealer | what kind of files does lp print? |
| 07:58.57 | jetscreamer | zinx, indexed, or rgb |
| 07:58.59 | Orcrist | I wanted to stab the little green lizard... as it seemed to be mocking me |
| 07:59.19 | JacobBrown | zinx, ok there's already a bug filed for redhat... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=140815 |
| 07:59.23 | jetscreamer | i don't know what the line printer does |
| 07:59.35 | ekaf | so Orcrist why do you recommend mandrake for me? |
| 07:59.35 | zinx | jetscreamer: doesn't matter |
| 07:59.41 | zinx | jetscreamer: (can't save with either) |
| 07:59.45 | Orcrist | ekaf... I don't reccomend it |
| 07:59.53 | AlexW | jetscreamer: sitll nothing |
| 07:59.54 | ekaf | oh eh |
| 07:59.54 | zinx | JacobBrown: file one for debian |
| 07:59.55 | ekaf | heh |
| 08:00.06 | JacobBrown | zinx, how do I go about doing that? |
| 08:00.09 | john | I used mandrake for awhile, now I'm on debian. |
| 08:00.12 | john | There is no going back now. |
| 08:00.12 | Orcrist | I was just showing you a how-to page that shows how to set those things up in mandrake.. and also it does a good job of explaining some basic things about linux sound architecture in general |
| 08:00.19 | zinx | !tell JacobBrown about BTS |
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| 08:00.40 | zinx | JacobBrown: best way is probably reportbug |
| 08:00.49 | AlexW | should i apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 2.2.20-5woody5 |
| 08:01.13 | ekaf | sweet thx man |
| 08:01.23 | Xenguy | coywolf: I use it for files that only I am editing (otherwise CVS et al are preferred tools) |
| 08:01.27 | elnovato | wtf... compile kernel on laptop sucks time |
| 08:01.42 | Xenguy | coywolf: RCS that is |
| 08:01.47 | jetscreamer | same here for xpm |
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| 08:02.19 | coywolf | Xenguy, RCS needn't any configuration, and the meta files got stored in the same dir? |
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| 08:02.42 | chealer | is there a command-line utility to print a .ps file? |
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| 08:03.10 | docta_v | i think if you're using cups you can just lpr the file |
| 08:03.13 | Xenguy | coywolf: create an 'RCS' directory where the file-to-edit is; then use 'co' (checkout) and 'ci' (check-in) |
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| 08:03.38 | coywolf | Xenguy, the user creat 'RCS' dir ? |
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| 08:03.49 | elnovato | question, how to clear the task on aptitude? |
| 08:04.04 | Xenguy | coywolf: yes, and the "meta files" will appear in the 'RCS' dir |
| 08:04.07 | pingouin_ | ftp server ? any advices ? |
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| 08:04.50 | Guerin | !ftp |
| 08:04.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 08:05.01 | Guerin | pingouin_: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 08:05.08 | Xenguy | pingouin_: vsftpd can apparently use SSL |
| 08:05.14 | Guerin | so can pro |
| 08:05.17 | coywolf | Xenguy, thx! |
| 08:05.20 | Guerin | but I'd take vs |
| 08:05.25 | Xenguy | coywolf: yw |
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| 08:05.45 | steve2 | sftp |
| 08:05.45 | pingouin_ | ok i check that |
| 08:05.52 | jetscreamer | there is no ftp |
| 08:06.28 | pingouin_ | it's not only for *nix user also for mac/windows user can get in |
| 08:06.32 | Xenguy | Guerin: as I understand it proftpd is venerable, but has suffered security vulnerabilities in the past ( like wu-ftpd before it) |
| 08:06.37 | jetscreamer | gftp might, not sure |
| 08:06.44 | jetscreamer | or do you mean server |
| 08:06.50 | pingouin_ | yeah server |
| 08:06.53 | Guerin | Xenguy: yeah, that's what I heard too. |
| 08:06.58 | chealer | docta_v: lpr psfile just did nothing |
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| 08:07.15 | Guerin | pingouin_: no, by unix users I mean local user accounts with a shell. |
| 08:07.22 | pingouin_ | ok |
| 08:07.46 | Guerin | pingouin_: you probably want proftpd with mysql auth; or you can set up some local unix users with /bin/false as the shell, if you don't feel like encrypting |
| 08:07.58 | Guerin | anyway, I really must go to skool now |
| 08:08.10 | Xenguy | pingouin_: vs is also more light-weight (and fast?) than pro AFAICT from reading up on this topic a couple of weeks ago |
| 08:08.12 | pingouin_ | have a nice school day Guerin |
| 08:08.21 | kuja | I have a slight problem with a USB device in X. I mount my MP3 player (fstab entry has been made) likeso: `mount /dev/sda` and it mounts to /mnt/iaudio fine. The problem is that I have several MP3s which are not of an English filename. I have some Korean filenames as well (multi-byte language) and they show some similarly to "??? - ???.mp3" ... now this would be strange if I didn't have any Korean support in X (locales or fonts) but I do. Has anyone an idea? |
| 08:08.22 | Guerin | s/day/hour/ |
| 08:08.45 | kuja | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 08:08.55 | kuja | Korean works fine everywhere else. |
| 08:09.02 | kuja | Apparently just *that* device. |
| 08:09.32 | Xenguy | pingouin_: if you haven't seen this already: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Network_Other/ftp-daemons.html |
| 08:09.48 | pingouin_ | yep Xenguy never seen before, i check thx |
| 08:10.06 | ekaf | you guys know mad stuff |
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| 08:10.12 | ekaf | im impressed |
| 08:10.19 | Xenguy | pingouin_: it was the best summary I could find in the time I had |
| 08:10.27 | ekaf | i just sit here lurking and tryin to learn stuff |
| 08:10.29 | kuja | Oh, and it's mounted as vfat. |
| 08:10.30 | coywolf | Xenguy, why do you use rcs instead of cvs now? |
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| 08:10.57 | ekaf | and watching you all solving problem after problem.... |
| 08:11.09 | Xenguy | coywolf: I use both - use the best tool for the right job (RCS for my files; CVS for *concurrent* editing) |
| 08:11.15 | sbk | Dewi: dunno much about tv tuners, but got curious. What exact device does the driver recognize it as? (should probably be in dmesg) |
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| 08:12.12 | chealer | ekaf: 700 geeks can't always play games :) |
| 08:12.33 | coywolf | Xenguy, RCS for one user, CVS from multiusers? |
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| 08:13.00 | john | ekaf: I read them all the time, and usually just idle/read.. lol. They know ALOT. |
| 08:13.07 | Xenguy | coywolf: so if I am the only one who will ever edit a config file, for example, I would use RCS instead of CVS... yep, that's how I use it. Others may have their own opinions of course :-) |
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| 08:13.31 | elnovato | whats the last kernel for sarge? |
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| 08:13.35 | ekaf | john :) |
| 08:13.50 | peterS | elnovato: 2.4.28 and 2.6.8 |
| 08:13.54 | coywolf | Xenguy, CVS needs more configuration works than RCS |
| 08:13.57 | ekaf | is quite entertaining really |
| 08:14.15 | elnovato | peterS: 2.6.8-1 << is obsolete? |
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| 08:14.22 | Xenguy | coywolf: CVS is more powerful, and more complex. |
| 08:14.27 | peterS | elnovato: I don't know. what does 'obsolete' mean to you? |
| 08:14.48 | elnovato | means a new version ahead of it |
| 08:15.04 | peterS | elnovato: that's a pretty dumb definition. if that's yours, though, then yes, 2.6.8-1 is obsolete |
| 08:15.05 | Xenguy | coywolf: RCS is much simpler, but less powerful |
| 08:16.18 | elnovato | peterS: and whats the last kernel on SID? |
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| 08:16.31 | peterS | elnovato: you could find out for yourself, you know |
| 08:17.11 | steve2 | CVS uses the same format for history files as RCS. CVS allows concurrent development |
| 08:17.58 | elnovato | bah |
| 08:18.56 | michaelw | anyone else having this problem that firefox (1.0-4) after some time gets insanely slow (as in: i can watch how menus are drawn)? I have to restart it a few times a day. |
| 08:19.14 | docta_v | sounds like a swapping problem |
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| 08:21.39 | michaelw | docta_v: nope, the machine is not swapping |
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| 08:22.29 | chealer | 2.4.28 in sarge? |
| 08:22.59 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 08:24.29 | gypsymauro | I've modified by hand mi XF86Config-4 file , now if I run dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 it doens't modify that file.. how I can make dpkg-reconfigure work with that? |
| 08:24.51 | chealer | I said that lpr psfile did nothing earlier. actually it queues the job, but my printer won't move. lpq shows : HP is ready and printing \n Rank Owner Job File(s) Total Size \n active chealer 18 (stdin) 209920 bytes |
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| 08:25.14 | chealer | I'm running sarge (and Deskjet 842c) |
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| 08:25.32 | chealer | gypsymauro: dexconf |
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| 08:27.04 | doojin | hi |
| 08:27.11 | doojin | how to change system language locales? |
| 08:27.24 | doojin | I had to install debian with korean |
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| 08:27.35 | doojin | but I installed debian with english |
| 08:27.50 | tom_____ | maybe somebody can shed some light on ssh port forwarding, a how-to document says i don't need an ssh account on the remote machine, but it has to be running sshd, and if configure ssh -C -f host -L 11110:host:110 sleep 5, how will this pop server understand encrypted content. if i'm asking this question in a wrong channel let me know, but i couldn't find a channel more suitable |
| 08:27.55 | coywolf | when will debian default has /srv? how soon? |
| 08:28.12 | chealer | !locales |
| 08:28.12 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course. |
| 08:28.55 | chealer | coywolf: what's srv? |
| 08:29.15 | aokaze | Is there something I can apt-get from testing that I can use to make flash files (*.swf)? |
| 08:29.32 | coywolf | chealer, like /srv/http /srv/ftp, etc |
| 08:29.42 | Penix | !spank lsb |
| 08:29.53 | tom_____ | chealer: the folder structure that some distros use |
| 08:29.54 | chealer | guess I don't know srv |
| 08:30.12 | chealer | doh, I don't know lsb :) |
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| 08:31.29 | ircdevil | *grumble* gimp is _so_ non-intuitive |
| 08:31.39 | npx | yeah |
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| 08:32.21 | tom_____ | aokaze: i haven't heard of a program to create flash animations under linux, you can probably get macromedia flash running with wine/cedega/cxoffice |
| 08:32.26 | sbk | another group that uses guile. |
| 08:32.36 | ircdevil | any gimp wizards up for some gimp start help ? -> #gimp |
| 08:33.33 | gypsymauro | ChanServ: dexconf?:) |
| 08:33.51 | zinx | tom_____: php! |
| 08:33.57 | aokaze | it would be nice if there was a flash editor |
| 08:34.04 | Penix | aokaze: not really |
| 08:34.16 | Penix | aokaze: but if you think so, nag adobe about it until they release one for linux |
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| 08:34.18 | aokaze | why not? |
| 08:34.28 | Penix | aokaze: because flash is horrible |
| 08:34.33 | tom_____ | zinx: damn, i didn't think of that |
| 08:34.35 | Penix | bleh |
| 08:34.39 | Penix | s/adobe/macromedia/ |
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| 08:34.51 | gypsymauro | chealer: :) dexconf?:) a new command for me tanx!:) |
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| 08:34.54 | tom_____ | maybe the demand is not high enough |
| 08:34.55 | aokaze | well then Penix, what would you use for a subsitute |
| 08:35.07 | helix | tom_____: why is your tail so long? |
| 08:35.21 | Penix | aokaze: substitute for what? useless website intro's and boring games? |
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| 08:35.40 | john | when he signed on there was prolly more toms on |
| 08:35.41 | tom_____ | helix: nickname in use, and i'm logged in from home too, so i don't know to which name i should change my name to, to get a shorter tail |
| 08:35.52 | zinx | helix: maybe it's some sort of tomfoolery |
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| 08:36.00 | helix | yeah, I was thinking it was like madlibs |
| 08:36.20 | looksaus | Somehow dutch(setlocalà isn't installed on my PHP (LAMP) server, do you know wich pakkets should be installed so that dates and so on can be in the correct lang? |
| 08:36.47 | helix | looksaus: dpkg -l locales |
| 08:36.50 | helix | is it installed? |
| 08:36.57 | looksaus | aha... Wait a sec |
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| 08:38.04 | gypsymauro | chealer: tanx |
| 08:38.30 | looksaus | helix yes it is installed |
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| 08:39.00 | helix | looksaus: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 08:39.41 | helix | looksaus: then logout/login so it will work |
| 08:39.54 | looksaus | Hmmm, it's for my php script... |
| 08:40.28 | helix | looksaus: ok, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 08:41.07 | looksaus | Well if you wan't your dates in dutch... you set your script in PHP to setlocale(LC_ALL, 'nl_NL'); |
| 08:41.34 | helix | so setlocale is a php function? |
| 08:41.38 | looksaus | Then al your dates will be in dutch format... Somehow PHP doesn't do it... |
| 08:41.40 | jm_ | try restarting apache |
| 08:41.44 | looksaus | Well I did, |
| 08:41.57 | jm_ | did you select dutch locale in debconf? |
| 08:41.57 | ircdevil | this freaks me out. i have two pictures i want to merge - and i am having a hard time doing this in gimp. i did go over some of the tutorials, but they did not explain this. anyone know where to read? |
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| 08:42.28 | looksaus | dunno |
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| 08:42.39 | elnovato | ircdevil: use the industry standar, photoshop |
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| 08:43.01 | ircdevil | elnovato: great, will you please dcc me photoshop for linux :o) ? |
| 08:43.13 | zinx | ircdevil: "merge"? |
| 08:43.14 | pingouin_ | which mann db3_load command belong ? |
| 08:43.38 | ircdevil | zinx put to half pictures together |
| 08:43.40 | looksaus | Maybe I ask #php |
| 08:43.42 | looksaus | see ya |
| 08:43.49 | looksaus | exit |
| 08:43.50 | Xenguy | start again, and 'mkdir RCS' first. Then do 'ci -l filename' <-- this should 'checkin' the file (into the 'RCS' dir), then 'checkout' a version of the file for editing. |
| 08:43.51 | drac | hmm, i've just installed sarge on my secondary machine with postfix, and configured it to do just localmail, but it refuses to start with Jan 26 10:41:40 hdr postfix/master[5590]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84: bad hostname or network address: ::1 ?! i've installed it same way to multiple machines, without any errors. i've tried also dpkg-reconfiguring it, but no change. |
| 08:44.05 | Xenguy | ww |
| 08:44.25 | ircdevil | drac what does /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 84 say ? |
| 08:44.37 | zinx | ircdevil: look for panorama tutorials, or try 'ale' |
| 08:44.44 | drac | ircdevil: #628 inet n - - - - qmqpd |
| 08:44.48 | drac | ircdevil: nothing useful? |
| 08:44.55 | drac | just uncommented line. |
| 08:44.56 | zinx | ircdevil: if i'm not misunderstanding you, another search term you might try is "stitching" |
| 08:44.59 | drac | commented i mean |
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| 08:45.28 | pingouin_ | ircdevil: you joking ? open a new doc in gimp, canvas size of you future merged pics, then open you're 2 pic ctrl+a in each one higlihgt your «big» canvas and copy/paste and move them to suits your need |
| 08:45.35 | pingouin_ | or use imagemagick ;) |
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| 08:46.20 | ircdevil | zinx ah, thanks (keyword to search for is most welcome) |
| 08:46.39 | ircdevil | pingouin_: there is no automagically canvas size adjusting ? |
| 08:46.49 | pingouin_ | right click |
| 08:46.52 | pingouin_ | on canvas |
| 08:47.08 | pingouin_ | but start with a new one of the future size of stiched pics |
| 08:47.11 | zinx | ircdevil: there is sort of, but it won't show you the image until you tell it to adjust the canvas |
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| 08:47.58 | zinx | ircdevil: you can tell it something like "Fit canvas to layers" |
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| 08:50.07 | mwilson | oup |
| 08:50.08 | mwilson | ; |
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| 08:54.30 | eureka | hi all :) i've just downloaded a *.deb file and i don't know how to install it. can any of you help me? |
| 08:54.45 | chealer | man dpkg |
| 08:54.52 | thd | mlewis00: apt-cache search kernal-image returns nothing |
| 08:55.01 | ircdevil | hm |
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| 08:55.09 | HanSolo | eureka, dpkg -i your.deb |
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| 08:55.13 | zinx | thd: it's spelled "kernel" |
| 08:55.58 | thd | zinx: thd replaces eyes :) |
| 08:56.09 | ircdevil | zinx: ok - this works. are there "show grid" and "snap to grid" availible? cant seem to spot those on first sight |
| 08:56.16 | eureka | HanSolo: thx :) |
| 08:56.24 | zinx | ircdevil: no, but you can nudge layers w/ the arrow keys |
| 08:56.37 | zinx | ircdevil: erh, newer gimp may have a grid.. i dunno.. |
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| 08:56.51 | zinx | ircdevil: there's also 'guides', depending on what you need snapping for |
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| 08:57.29 | ircdevil | zinx: well, i want to line up my "stiching" perfectly |
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| 08:57.52 | zinx | ircdevil: seems newer gimp -does- have a grid |
| 08:58.11 | pingouin_ | ircdevil: http://docs.gimp.org/en/ch02s04s06.html |
| 08:58.13 | zinx | ircdevil: i'd use nudge for that, and you might try making the layer you're moving the "difference" mode until you get it in place |
| 08:58.28 | zinx | ircdevil: it'll make a bright line usually if you have it a pixel too far |
| 08:59.07 | ircdevil | pingouin_: aha! |
| 08:59.14 | pingouin_ | and also : http://docs.gimp.org/en/ch05s05s11.html |
| 08:59.47 | zinx | ircdevil: if the images overlap any, definitely use difference.. nudge it around until the intersection is black, then switch it back to normal |
| 08:59.49 | ircdevil | zinx: well, i was pretty deft at coreldraw 8 at some point ... i wish i was better for gimp and i guess i should take a few days going over tutorials and docs |
| 08:59.51 | eureka | HanSolo: do you know how i can list my currently installed packages? |
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| 09:00.10 | pingouin_ | eureka: dpkg -l |less |
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| 09:00.43 | eureka | thx ping :) |
| 09:00.56 | HanSolo | :-) |
| 09:01.58 | Xenguy | ircdevil: are you aware of the online 'grokking the gimp' book BTW? |
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| 09:02.24 | AlexW | how do i complie netfilter into iptables |
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| 09:02.45 | Xenguy | eureka: dpkg -l * |less <-- ? |
| 09:02.52 | ircdevil | Xenguy: i am now :o) |
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| 09:03.11 | Xenguy | ircdevil: I think there might even be a deb(?) |
| 09:03.50 | ircdevil | Xenguy: well, tarball is fine with me |
| 09:04.01 | Xenguy | eureka: er, I meant -> dpkg -l * |grep -i ^ii |less <-- ? |
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| 09:04.36 | Xenguy | ircdevil: dpkg -l *grok* |
| 09:04.45 | AlexW | how do i complie netfilter into the kernel |
| 09:04.48 | Overand | I've got a knoppix-install debian style with (apparently) all the knoppix scripts disabled, but on bootup it's detecting a device i don't have listed in /etc/modules or /etc/modules-2.4.27 |
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| 09:05.14 | AlexW | Overand: #knoppix |
| 09:05.25 | Xenguy | AlexW: what do you want to do? |
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| 09:05.37 | AlexW | (18:58:25) (DerJamster) or actually..netfilter in general..it's not in your kernel. |
| 09:05.51 | AlexW | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 411 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1412 |
| 09:05.51 | AlexW | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables |
| 09:06.04 | AlexW | iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `nat': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
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| 09:06.13 | AlexW | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 09:06.37 | AlexW | they say iptables is not good with 2.2 |
| 09:06.42 | Xenguy | eureka: forget it, that doesn't seem to work for some reason |
| 09:06.44 | AlexW | and to use 2.4 so how do i upgrade |
| 09:06.51 | Overand | AlexW: I'm in #knoppix, everyone with a clue has fallen asleep, I'm in there helping newbies to mount their fat32 drives, heh |
| 09:07.12 | Xenguy | AlexW: yes you need a 2.4+ kernel for iptables |
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| 09:07.21 | AlexW | so what do i run for that |
| 09:07.46 | Overand | does the 2.4 package have iptables support? |
| 09:07.52 | Overand | i imagine it must |
| 09:08.06 | Overand | if not just hit kernel.org and roll your own |
| 09:08.10 | AlexW | Xenguy: how do i upgrade kernel |
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| 09:09.08 | zinx | AlexW: install a newer kernel |
| 09:09.13 | AlexW | how? |
| 09:09.21 | zinx | AlexW: same way you install anything else in debian... |
| 09:10.00 | AlexW | so apt-get install kernel-*-2.4.18-* |
| 09:10.07 | Overand | AlexW: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 09:10.10 | zinx | more-or-less |
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| 09:10.26 | Overand | maybe pipe through more, heh |
| 09:10.27 | morpheous | :/ |
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| 09:10.51 | morpheous | any there a neo-geo emu for gamecube? |
| 09:11.00 | morpheous | @:0l) |
| 09:11.09 | Xenguy | AlexW: try this to find a precompiled kernel -> apt-cache search kernel-image |grep -i kernel-image |less |
| 09:11.10 | Overand | morpheous: this is the wrong channel to ask that. |
| 09:11.16 | morpheous | oh |
| 09:11.21 | morpheous | i was told to come here |
| 09:11.23 | directhex|work | AlexW, apt-cache search kernel-image, apt-get install foo. |
| 09:11.27 | kombi | working on this cdrom project.. does anyone know a channel for err, VBScript? |
| 09:11.44 | Overand | morpheous: why would someone tell you to go to #debian for a neo-geo emulator for game-cube? |
| 09:11.48 | AlexW | im doing http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 2.4.18-13.1 |
| 09:11.59 | Overand | morpheous: debian is a linux distribution |
| 09:12.00 | AlexW | kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 09:12.06 | Xenguy | AlexW: then do -> apt-get install <the-kernel-you-chose> |
| 09:12.09 | morpheous | hmm.. |
| 09:12.20 | morpheous | read it in a forum that it was for gamecube |
| 09:12.28 | AlexW | morpheous: mebe debian emus |
| 09:12.29 | AlexW | :P |
| 09:12.36 | Overand | man, my thinkpad is freaking out on me. it beeps HIGH-low, then the screen goes black. |
| 09:12.37 | kombi | thex lied.. |
| 09:12.39 | Overand | i love power management |
| 09:13.30 | bucky | Overand, just out of curiosity which kernel |
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| 09:14.35 | zakame | hi all |
| 09:15.24 | bucky | morpheous, yes there is.. it's called gngeo in debian |
| 09:15.29 | morpheous | ok |
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| 09:15.49 | AlexW | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386_2.4.18-13.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 09:15.49 | dpkg | You are moron #7, AlexW |
| 09:15.49 | AlexW | subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 09:15.58 | AlexW | am i? |
| 09:16.08 | morpheous | where can i find that info? |
| 09:16.14 | Overand | bucky: 2.4.27 |
| 09:16.19 | bucky | hmm.. |
| 09:16.21 | directhex|work | morpheous, you're in the wrong place. |
| 09:16.32 | bucky | morpheous, apt-cache show gngeo |
| 09:16.41 | morpheous | hmm.... |
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| 09:16.46 | AlexW | Overand: what went wrong? |
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| 09:16.56 | AlexW | ohh its working now |
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| 09:16.58 | Lo_Meinix | Hello! |
| 09:17.03 | morpheous | could somone speak english plz |
| 09:17.07 | directhex|work | morpheous, debian is a gnu/linux distribution for 11 architectures, not including the gamecube. |
| 09:17.15 | morpheous | oh |
| 09:17.16 | morpheous | ok |
| 09:17.19 | morpheous | sorry |
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| 09:17.22 | morpheous | was mislead |
| 09:17.24 | morpheous | :\ |
| 09:17.27 | Lo_Meinix | morpheous: I prefer engrish, myself ;) |
| 09:17.28 | AlexW | so how do i update iptables now |
| 09:17.31 | JayParadise | can you install debian with knoppix? |
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| 09:17.39 | directhex|work | JayParadise, no. |
| 09:17.39 | morpheous | heh heh Lomeinix |
| 09:17.42 | directhex|work | JayParadise, well, not easily |
| 09:17.45 | Xenguy | AlexW: is this for a firewall? |
| 09:17.53 | AlexW | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 411 -j REDIRECT --to-port 1412 |
| 09:17.55 | directhex|work | !tell JayParadise about d-i |
| 09:17.58 | AlexW | port forward |
| 09:18.04 | HanSolo | morpheous, gamecube uses MIPS processor, so we would have to check in debian's MIPS port webpage |
| 09:18.16 | directhex|work | JayParadise, go to the url dpkg told you about, download an iso for i386. |
| 09:18.22 | morpheous | I see |
| 09:18.25 | morpheous | hmm.. |
| 09:18.29 | directhex|work | HanSolo, it's an ibm POWER3 derivative. |
| 09:18.36 | morpheous | god i wish it were true |
| 09:18.37 | morpheous | :0) |
| 09:18.45 | morpheous | that would be so coo |
| 09:18.45 | AlexW | Xenguy: so what should i do |
| 09:18.48 | Xenguy | AlexW: I don't mess with iptables directly; I use 'shorewall' instead, and it handles all that stuff |
| 09:18.56 | AlexW | hrrm |
| 09:19.10 | AlexW | can u port forward with shorewall? |
| 09:19.12 | morpheous | playing neo-geo on gamecube :D |
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| 09:19.20 | Lo_Meinix | morpheous: why worry about installing on a game cube? why not just build a x86 using some of the micro-atx form factors?? |
| 09:19.31 | kombi | Xenguy: don't mess with config scripts, write config files |
| 09:19.33 | morpheous | true |
| 09:19.33 | directhex|work | morpheous, if gc-linux were debian, and the gamecube had a hard disk so you could actually install things, then it might be somewhat easier. |
| 09:19.36 | morpheous | i could |
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| 09:19.45 | AlexW | ill reinstall iptables |
| 09:19.52 | directhex|work | Lo_Meinix, a gamecube is £60, an epia motherboard alone costs more than that |
| 09:19.52 | morpheous | your right |
| 09:19.53 | Xenguy | AlexW: are you trying to setup NAT (IP Masq) ? |
| 09:19.56 | Overand | the real problem to get debian to run on the gamecube would be getting a bootloader |
| 09:19.59 | HanSolo | directhex|work, oh sorry |
| 09:20.01 | AlexW | not really |
| 09:20.01 | JayParadise | thanks. |
| 09:20.05 | AlexW | just a simple port forward |
| 09:20.09 | Xenguy | kombi: what are you talking about? |
| 09:20.09 | Overand | since it's one of those great systems that uses encrypted binaries and whatnot |
| 09:20.16 | Lo_Meinix | directhex|work: is what? |
| 09:20.19 | directhex|work | Overand, psoload. |
| 09:20.21 | morpheous | hm... |
| 09:20.27 | AlexW | ramzi:~# uname -r |
| 09:20.27 | AlexW | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 09:20.31 | AlexW | ahh need to reboot :P |
| 09:20.33 | AlexW | dont i? |
| 09:20.36 | morpheous | right directx |
| 09:20.37 | morpheous | :0) |
| 09:20.52 | Overand | directhex|work: so 'just' port the kernel to mips, handle whatever idiocyncracities you would need, get it to load via psoload's remote thing |
| 09:20.55 | Overand | and... |
| 09:20.56 | Overand | hm |
| 09:21.00 | Overand | mount everything you need via NFS |
| 09:21.02 | directhex|work | Overand, it's not mips. |
| 09:21.11 | Xenguy | AlexW: usually when you install a new kernel, yes =) |
| 09:21.18 | AlexW | hehe |
| 09:21.27 | peterS | the gamecube? isn't it? |
| 09:21.46 | Overand | whopping 485mhz |
| 09:21.51 | morpheous | oh yeah |
| 09:21.52 | morpheous | :/ |
| 09:22.03 | Overand | PowerPC 750CXe |
| 09:22.06 | directhex|work | also, http://www.gc-linux.org/pic/x-window.jpg |
| 09:22.10 | morpheous | umm hmm |
| 09:22.13 | Lo_Meinix | directhex|work: oh you're saying it's x86......thats cool. I don't know anything about game cube, but I know a pain in the butt installation when I see it. So why not just do the install on something non proprietary? |
| 09:22.18 | peterS | Overand: ahh yeah. I probably did hear that at some point. |
| 09:22.25 | Overand | no it's a powerPC 750CXe |
| 09:22.32 | directhex|work | Lo_Meinix, what? where the fuck did you get that idea? |
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| 09:22.37 | peterS | Overand: the linux kernel does support some ppc 7xx's |
| 09:22.48 | Overand | good lord I LOVE CLIPBOARD CONSISTENCY |
| 09:22.49 | Overand | arrgh sorry |
| 09:23.04 | peterS | but platform idiosyncracies are as important as CPU instructions for that sort of thing |
| 09:23.08 | Overand | yeah no kidding |
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| 09:23.18 | morpheous | lol |
| 09:23.20 | AlexW | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:01 |
| 09:23.22 | directhex|work | meh, it already runs x |
| 09:23.24 | AlexW | errr |
| 09:23.25 | Lo_Meinix | directhex|work: doesn't game cube require some mods to use anything on it other than it's intended use? |
| 09:23.26 | peterS | including but by far not limited to the boot loading sequence |
| 09:23.28 | kombi | Xenguy: I just meant that I prefer writing localrules myself, but never mind |
| 09:23.28 | Overand | man awesome whitebalance on that photo |
| 09:23.37 | AlexW | whatd i do :P |
| 09:23.39 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: no, there's a hack via phantasy star online |
| 09:23.43 | morpheous | no |
| 09:23.43 | Overand | that loads stuff remotely |
| 09:23.45 | morpheous | pso |
| 09:23.47 | Overand | it'll load code over the network |
| 09:23.48 | morpheous | i have it |
| 09:23.51 | morpheous | i do it already |
| 09:23.52 | directhex|work | Lo_Meinix, no. you can use a security hole in Phantasy Star Online to load things from a network share |
| 09:23.57 | morpheous | i boot homebrew apps |
| 09:24.02 | Overand | directhex|work: what system does it use anyway? |
| 09:24.04 | Lo_Meinix | ah...still sounds like a pain in the ass. |
| 09:24.08 | morpheous | and load .dol files that way |
| 09:24.09 | Overand | does it use tftp or something? |
| 09:24.16 | morpheous | not yet |
| 09:24.18 | directhex|work | Overand, psoload? no idea |
| 09:24.24 | morpheous | nobody have figure that out yet |
| 09:24.35 | Overand | morpheous: if nobody's figured it out yet then how ex... |
| 09:24.36 | AlexW | request_module[block-major-3]: Root fs not mounted |
| 09:24.36 | Overand | .. |
| 09:24.41 | AlexW | what should i do :p |
| 09:24.43 | Overand | why am i talking to morpheous? |
| 09:24.46 | AlexW | Overland, any ideas? |
| 09:24.55 | AlexW | Overand* |
| 09:24.57 | morpheous | iono :\ |
| 09:24.58 | morpheous | lol |
| 09:24.59 | Overand | AlexW: for starters, i reccomend you learn to use tab-complete soas not to offend me |
| 09:25.02 | Overand | heh |
| 09:25.07 | Overand | directhex|work: it's actually 'usable' on an xbox |
| 09:25.16 | Overand | xbox in theory makes a nice mythtv frontend |
| 09:25.21 | AlexW | lol i forgot to |
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| 09:25.31 | directhex|work | Overand, it's boring on xbox. too easy. |
| 09:25.32 | AlexW | whats secondly |
| 09:25.35 | Overand | haha |
| 09:25.36 | morpheous | how about ps2linux? i have that |
| 09:25.38 | morpheous | :0) |
| 09:25.55 | directhex|work | morpheous, that's cheating, sony sell that |
| 09:25.56 | keta | Overand: tabartadion, inability of a master use of the tab key, see retardation, headache, sayd some bitchx guy |
| 09:26.00 | morpheous | lmao |
| 09:26.01 | morpheous | ok |
| 09:26.04 | morpheous | heh heh |
| 09:26.10 | zinx | morpheous: srsly? i have ps2pdf and ps2eps |
| 09:26.16 | AlexW | Overand: should i reinstall Debian? |
| 09:26.25 | morpheous | send to me zinx :0) |
| 09:26.45 | zinx | morpheous: are you serious? |
| 09:26.49 | morpheous | hehe |
| 09:26.50 | morpheous | no |
| 09:26.54 | morpheous | just joking |
| 09:26.55 | morpheous | :P |
| 09:26.59 | zinx | suure |
| 09:26.59 | keta | AlexW: you should rather fix it |
| 09:27.09 | AlexW | keta: how |
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| 09:27.47 | directhex|work | seems gamecube linux has smome of sdl working now, so running a neo geo emulator isn't completely beyond possible |
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| 09:28.11 | morpheous | now your talking directhex |
| 09:28.12 | keta | AlexW: I'd use the installer |
| 09:28.12 | AlexW | how do i fix it? |
| 09:28.13 | morpheous | ;p; |
| 09:28.14 | morpheous | lol |
| 09:28.30 | zakame | heh |
| 09:28.31 | Lo_Meinix | "the world's largest democracy" according to CNN is India....right...ok...if thats democracy I'll kiss CNN's ass. |
| 09:28.35 | AlexW | and type resuce? |
| 09:28.42 | AlexW | rescue |
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| 09:28.48 | morpheous | i'm gonna play neo-geo on my gamecube,yay!! |
| 09:29.05 | keta | AlexW: launch a shell, mount the rootfs, chroot, fix up the fuckage, rerun lilo if it's necessary, the reboot |
| 09:29.08 | sbk | India is not a democracy? *blinks* |
| 09:29.14 | keta | s/the/then |
| 09:29.14 | john | fuck the media. |
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| 09:29.33 | AlexW | whats the command to launch a shell? |
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| 09:29.36 | Lo_Meinix | sbk: it is, as long as you're not in the lower casts of society. |
| 09:29.37 | AlexW | resuce |
| 09:29.41 | Penix | john: you rebel, you |
| 09:29.49 | ircdevil | Lo_Meinix: i think the meant bueraucracy |
| 09:30.15 | directhex|work | Lo_Meinix, at least the indians can pull off an electon without fixed results coutresy unpassworded ms access results |
| 09:30.28 | kevinz | how can i know what are the files installed by a package |
| 09:30.30 | sbk | Lo_Meinix: really, interesting. :) |
| 09:30.35 | Lo_Meinix | ircdevil: no, they mean democracy.....it just goes to show that democracy is not the solution to the ills of the world as many of our gov't leaders would have us believe. |
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| 09:30.49 | AlexW | keta: what command do i run into the installer |
| 09:31.02 | keta | AlexW: if you have the debian kernel installed by debian at begin, you could rescue, if you wiped out it you have to run the installation process, and then launch a shell |
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| 09:31.16 | AlexW | how do i do that? |
| 09:31.36 | AlexW | ahh i get ya |
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| 09:31.56 | keta | AlexW: put the fucking cd in your machine ad reboot! :) |
| 09:32.04 | AlexW | yeh i get ya |
| 09:32.23 | AlexW | so just run the normal install then ALT+F2 |
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| 09:32.27 | sbk | ircdevil: ayup. India is a horrid bureaucracy, true. |
| 09:32.49 | keta | AlexW: if it's the sarge isntaller, do it after it loads ide module :) |
| 09:32.51 | john | Penix: lol :).. imma go to bed now though, nite all. |
| 09:33.18 | morpheous | WELL,IMA GET STARTED ON A NEO-GEO FOR GAMECUBE :0) |
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| 09:33.58 | sbk | ircdevil: used to be worse, the last but one PM did a lot to make things better |
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| 09:34.25 | Penix | it doesn't matter how fscked up India's (or anyone elses) government is. if it's being run under a democratic system, then it's the world's largest democracy |
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| 09:34.52 | AlexW | ok its mounted on /mnt/hda |
| 09:34.56 | Zero_Dogg | Penix: where did that statement come from? |
| 09:35.00 | sbk | I'd have to say that India has probably the free-est press that I know of |
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| 09:35.10 | Overand | morpheous: please do us a favor and /part if you don't even know what Debian is |
| 09:35.14 | Penix | Zero_Dogg: from something someone said a few minutes ago |
| 09:35.38 | Zero_Dogg | Penix: oh okay:P - looked like you where bored and tried to start a discussion or something :P |
| 09:35.38 | morpheous | thanks for the help guys,i'll let you guys know when i release my beta of Debian's neo-geo port for Gamecube :0) |
| 09:35.47 | ircdevil | Penix: depends if they obey the universal declaration of human rights -> http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html |
| 09:35.48 | AlexW | how do i fix up the fuckage mv vmlinuz -> vmlinuz.fucked then mv vmlinuz.old -> vmlinuz |
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| 09:35.56 | Overand | morpheous: for starters you might want to stop running windows |
| 09:36.00 | Overand | and also learn what debian is |
| 09:36.04 | AlexW | or remove the installed packlage |
| 09:36.07 | Lo_Meinix | Penix: Only because it's "largest demo" status takes into account that it represents it's entire population which is not the case because the lower order casts are the largest population of india with no representation. |
| 09:36.08 | morpheous | I run linux too |
| 09:36.09 | morpheous | :0) |
| 09:36.16 | Overand | morpheous: you run linux and yet have never heard of debian? |
| 09:36.17 | Penix | ircdevil: so, the definition of a democracy now includes human rights? |
| 09:36.26 | Overand | which is only one of the largest and most popular distros in the world? |
| 09:36.39 | Overand | meh. IHBT. |
| 09:36.42 | keta | AlexW: run linuxold, at boot :) |
| 09:36.43 | morpheous | who said i did'nt know of it? |
| 09:36.44 | morpheous | :/ |
| 09:36.56 | Overand | morpheous: you came in here asking for help with gamecube thinking it was a game cube channel. |
| 09:37.06 | morpheous | I just thought that there was a version for gamecube is all |
| 09:37.11 | morpheous | Description: GNGEO is a NEOGEO emulator for the gamecube. It run perfectly with <5MB roms and can handle with some slowdown up to 36MB roms, perhaps more. Features: 14Mb Aram swap enabled. 48 Mb nbd swap enabled. Windows and Linux support software. Public Domain NeoGeo rom from Charles Doty. |
| 09:37.14 | sbk | Lo_Meinix: you have no idea about how many legislators and MPs are in the "lower caste", as you put it |
| 09:37.19 | Lo_Meinix | Penix: and if that is the solution to the world's problems as our leaders would like us to believe then India is a very poor example. |
| 09:37.25 | keta | AlexW: then swap symlinks vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old |
| 09:37.26 | ircdevil | Penix: well, democracy means that the public rules, yes? what are the public? |
| 09:37.38 | morpheous | so plz over,eat those words |
| 09:37.40 | morpheous | :P |
| 09:37.53 | Penix | Lo_Meinix: it has nothing to do with whether it's a solution to a problem, your statement seemed to deny the fact that it's a demoracy |
| 09:37.54 | Overand | hey, generally speaking, what handles HD power management, if i'm using a thinkpad? will i need to use tpctl, or apm or what? |
| 09:37.57 | AlexW | linuxold? how hrrm |
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| 09:38.15 | Overand | morpheous: a version of a neogeo emulator for gamecube... for debian? |
| 09:38.18 | Lo_Meinix | Penix that only a small percentage of the country can participate. |
| 09:38.19 | SpamHog | plssss! get back to Debian talk! |
| 09:38.21 | ircdevil | Penix: it is _labeled_ democracy |
| 09:38.27 | Penix | ircdevil: yes |
| 09:38.28 | hello_world | msg which irc software u use? |
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| 09:38.51 | keta | morpheous: what has to do it with debian? do we have the linux tools packaged? |
| 09:39.01 | morpheous | yes,not stfu,your annoying |
| 09:39.01 | Penix | ircdevil: a lot of things are labeled the same, but don't follow the conventions etc. of the definition. that still doesn't mean India's not a democracy |
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| 09:39.19 | Penix | anyway. someone's gonna tell us to take it to #politics soon |
| 09:39.24 | AlexW | argh |
| 09:39.27 | AlexW | i give up |
| 09:39.29 | AlexW | :P |
| 09:39.31 | morpheous | lol |
| 09:39.33 | AlexW | ill just reinstall debian |
| 09:39.33 | morpheous | so do i |
| 09:39.34 | Lo_Meinix | yrp |
| 09:39.35 | morpheous | :\ |
| 09:39.37 | Lo_Meinix | yep |
| 09:39.38 | Overand | morpheous: first thing you said when you came here was: 04:10 < morpheous> any there a neo-geo emu for gamecube? |
| 09:39.43 | sbk | Lo_Meinix's premise is basically wrong, not much to debate :) |
| 09:39.48 | morpheous | over,plz stfu |
| 09:39.51 | AlexW | only takes a few mins |
| 09:39.53 | morpheous | plz? |
| 09:39.56 | morpheous | eh? |
| 09:39.58 | Overand | and then "i was told to come here." it's pretty obvious you're full of it. |
| 09:40.08 | Guerin | postleitzahl? |
| 09:40.09 | hello_world | quit |
| 09:40.27 | ircdevil | Penix: india might be closer to a totalitarian state than a perfect democracy |
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| 09:40.39 | AlexW | is it possible to install with kernel 2.4 |
| 09:40.45 | Guerin | !possible |
| 09:40.46 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 09:40.47 | Penix | ircdevil: the same can be said for many countries |
| 09:40.54 | ircdevil | Penix: indeed |
| 09:40.55 | morpheous | anyway |
| 09:40.56 | peterS | ircdevil: true of most countries. the US in particular |
| 09:41.19 | Guerin | ircdevil: no such thing as a perfect democracy |
| 09:41.20 | directhex|work | AlexW, yes. it's the default on sarge, or type 'bf2.4' at the woody prompt |
| 09:41.28 | morpheous | let me get started on my neo-geo emu for gamecube :D |
| 09:41.29 | SpamHog | some people are making this # utterly uninteresting |
| 09:41.31 | peterS | Guerin: even in athens? |
| 09:41.39 | morpheous | using Debian |
| 09:41.39 | peterS | 2xxx years ago, I mean |
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| 09:41.42 | morpheous | heh heh |
| 09:41.43 | ircdevil | peterS: hrmmm human rights seem to be worse in india and other countries compared to us |
| 09:41.46 | morpheous | woot! |
| 09:41.55 | Guerin | peterS: nope. Only men over a certain age were enfranchised. |
| 09:42.05 | idnar | heh |
| 09:42.08 | peterS | Guerin: well, true enough |
| 09:42.13 | Guerin | ircdevil: apples with apples, please |
| 09:42.22 | AlexW | whats the command to delete partition |
| 09:42.33 | peterS | ircdevil: probably true. however, as far as the level of democracy versus totalitarianism, the US government tends toward the latter, as do most governments |
| 09:42.35 | Guerin | ircdevil: let's talk infrastructure, economy and social diversity |
| 09:42.43 | ircdevil | Guerin: well, ok (peterS started) |
| 09:42.58 | kuja | Everything from X in Korean displays fine, but in X my iAUDIO mount shows question marks in placement of the actual characters. Any ideas? |
| 09:43.05 | Overand | not to mention that the 'freedom of the press' study that was done in sweden (?) lately put US at like number 46 or something in the world. |
| 09:43.35 | Penix | maybe sweden's really 46 and we're just seeing it in action ;) |
| 09:43.38 | DeadZed | US press is politically flawed |
| 09:43.44 | DeadZed | and not independent |
| 09:43.48 | DeadZed | everyone knows it |
| 09:43.50 | peterS | Penix: hehehe |
| 09:44.02 | Guerin | do filesystems support certain charsets only? |
| 09:44.08 | DeadZed | Should I pach 2.6 kernel with supermount ? |
| 09:44.09 | Guerin | I have a memory of something like this... |
| 09:44.18 | peterS | Guerin: filesystems in unix support all bytes except 0 and "/" |
| 09:44.19 | drum | Finally got Debian 3.0 installed but how do I change resolution to make screens fit monitor properly. cntrl+alt + plus or minus key on numeric pad doesyour help will be greatn't work. |
| 09:44.27 | DeadZed | is there supermount for 2.6 or only for 2.4 ?? |
| 09:44.30 | peterS | Guerin: how you want to interpret individual bytes is your own business |
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| 09:44.44 | peterS | Guerin: if you want to say 3 bytes together make up a character in UTF-8, for example, the filesystem doesn't care |
| 09:44.52 | keta | DeadZed: man apt-cache |
| 09:45.08 | DeadZed | keta tanks |
| 09:45.12 | Guerin | peterS: I'm wondering whether vfat is having trouble with this guy's korean characters |
| 09:45.18 | peterS | Guerin: so, with unix filesystems, the only character sets that aren't supported are the ones that use 0 bytes for things other than the null value. Windows UCS-2 for example does this. |
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| 09:45.33 | Guerin | but that doesn't make sense either, since I know fat32 machines with korean filenames |
| 09:45.46 | Guerin | peterS: oh, interesting. |
| 09:46.00 | peterS | Guerin: vfat itself supports ucs-2, which is an encoding of unicode. the Linux driver can be told to convert the ucs-2 characters into any arbitrary character set, for presentation to the rest of the kernel |
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| 09:46.04 | DeadZed | keta Supermunt package lists only 2.4 kernels |
| 09:46.07 | idnar | peterS: "Windows" UCS-2? what does Windows have to do with it? |
| 09:46.08 | peterS | Guerin: but you have to tell it *what* to convert them into |
| 09:46.18 | coywolf | does cvs depend on rcs? |
| 09:46.25 | keta | DeadZed: then you've been asnwered :) |
| 09:46.27 | peterS | idnar: few parties outside the windows world use it. that's all |
| 09:46.39 | Guerin | peterS: ok. Feel like explaining to kuja how to do that? |
| 09:46.43 | Guerin | :) |
| 09:46.45 | DeadZed | keta How do i get supermount is 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:46.56 | Penix | coywolf: read the Depends line and find out |
| 09:47.14 | Guerin | DeadZed: get the patch from upstream and apply it yourself. if you don't know how to do this, you don't want to. |
| 09:47.17 | Overand | kernel.org should have an official bittorrent tracker |
| 09:47.19 | coywolf | Penix, from Depends line, it's no |
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| 09:47.33 | idnar | peterS: Python uses UCS-2 (or UCS-4, if you do the right thing at compile time) as its in-memory Unicode representation :P |
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| 09:47.53 | DeadZed | Gueri supermount pach says that its for 2.4 kernels (unstable deposit) |
| 09:47.56 | peterS | idnar: heh. glib uses ucs-4, as does (I think) glibc for wchar_t. but anyway. |
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| 09:48.18 | Guerin | DeadZed: not the patch from debian. The patch from the original author. Since that's what 'upstream' means |
| 09:48.21 | peterS | kuja: what locale are you using? type 'locale' and tell me the LC_CTYPE line |
| 09:48.29 | obell | hi can i ask a question; .. somebody already tryed kernel 2.4.27-8 ? i'm getting unresolved symbol in iptables.o :-( |
| 09:48.32 | DeadZed | Guerin Sow do I find it? |
| 09:48.38 | Guerin | DeadZed: google |
| 09:49.07 | peterS | Guerin: I can but try. I know nothing of korean-specific issues, and not all that much about how vfat and nls interact (being, you know, a stupid American) |
| 09:49.11 | ackron | does anyone now about some sort of livecd for Sparc and PPC preferable debian based |
| 09:49.15 | Guerin | DeadZed: like I said: if you're unable to think this through, you will not be able to do it. |
| 09:49.25 | DeadZed | I am |
| 09:49.35 | DeadZed | you think too much |
| 09:49.36 | peterS | ackron: ubuntu supports powerpc. I don't know if their live CD does, though. it might or might not. |
| 09:49.50 | Guerin | DeadZed: that is potentially not untrue. |
| 09:50.15 | DeadZed | this is not a philosophy channel |
| 09:50.27 | obell | nobody here running kernel 2.4.27-8 from testing ? |
| 09:50.53 | Guerin | DeadZed: I'd argue that it is, de facto. |
| 09:51.27 | DeadZed | ok youre the winner , I give up |
| 09:51.48 | obell | cool can you answere my quistion ? |
| 09:51.52 | obell | nobody here running kernel 2.4.27-8 from testing ? |
| 09:51.54 | Overand | Is it always like this here? |
| 09:52.04 | obell | no normaly not .. |
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| 09:52.12 | Overand | obell: asking twice won't double your chances of getting an answer. |
| 09:52.19 | Guerin | obell: why do you care who's running it? Ask the specific question you want answered. |
| 09:52.25 | Guerin | yes, it's like this all the time |
| 09:52.49 | Guerin | whatever 'like this' means |
| 09:53.10 | Overand | THis is actually the first channel on freenode i've seen that's... eh, 'like this.' But you guys handle it well, I'm impressed. freenode > efnet, and i'm an efnet junkie too |
| 09:53.14 | obell | my quistion is : how to resolve this. : /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol remove_proc_entry_Rdf594ff1 |
| 09:53.26 | obell | .. 4 more of thes lines |
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| 09:53.26 | Guerin | !unresolved symbols |
| 09:53.26 | dpkg | you're getting unresolved symbols because you didn't build the module against the currently running kernel's headers. |
| 09:53.35 | obell | kernel 2.4.27-6 was running fine |
| 09:53.52 | npx | efnet has too many 31337 h4x0rz3x |
| 09:54.05 | npx | You can't join a *nix channel without being portscanned 20 times |
| 09:54.12 | Guerin | efnet has too much pron and warez and people /msging you with mirc sploits |
| 09:54.26 | Overand | npx: no kidding, i was on a chan where some kids did a nice combo of hacking and social engineering to track down an ops home address to play a *really* nasty practical joke on him. |
| 09:54.31 | Guerin | and I think it wanted me to install and run an identd last I used it |
| 09:54.33 | Overand | uh oh, something smells like fire, afk |
| 09:54.36 | npx | dude, you can never have too much pr0n and juarez |
| 09:54.41 | thd | mlewis00: If I use a boot floppy or CD to start linux with a different kernel could I still properly run dselect. The intent would be to avoid the constraint the problem with the currently installed kernel has on my bandwidth. |
| 09:54.50 | obell | what i did, get source2.4.27 .. unpack copy .config from 2.4.27-6 , applyed i2c lm-sensor patch , make menuconfig . .. make dep bzImage modules modules_install this normaly always works |
| 09:54.53 | Guerin | npx: maybe YOU can't... |
| 09:55.08 | npx | speaking of which |
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| 09:55.23 | Guerin | !tell npx about away |
| 09:55.34 | npx | lmao, I'm kidding |
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| 09:55.48 | coywolf | when will debian shift to x.org? |
| 09:55.56 | npx | but really, you wouldn't care if I was doing your wife? |
| 09:55.57 | Guerin | !topicsmite coywolf |
| 09:55.58 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon coywolf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:56.01 | peterS | coywolf: soon after sarge has been released |
| 09:56.05 | Indal | hey guys, i'm trying to configure the new kernel, and it says You must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig', i can't find any ncurses-devel packages |
| 09:56.10 | Overand | oh sweet my furnace has HOLE in the side. |
| 09:56.17 | Guerin | !menuconfig |
| 09:56.17 | Overand | just shut it down |
| 09:56.17 | dpkg | hmm... menuconfig is you will need libncurses5-dev. |
| 09:56.17 | obell | nobody knows the answare... : of these errors : /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o: unresolved symbol remove_proc_entry_Rdf594ff1 |
| 09:56.31 | Indal | thanks Guerin |
| 09:56.32 | AlexW | yeh iptables works now |
| 09:56.41 | Guerin | obell: I told you the gdmf answer |
| 09:56.58 | obell | gdmf ? |
| 09:57.02 | Guerin | !gdmf |
| 09:57.02 | npx | Overand, at least your furnace isn't sitting on a couple of Ford wheels, in the basement, to protect it from being damaged by the SPRING which unloads a few hundred gallons of water a day and necessitates an enormous pump be ran 24/7 |
| 09:57.03 | illustir | !menuconfig |
| 09:57.03 | dpkg | Gee Double Mother Fucking |
| 09:57.03 | dpkg | i guess menuconfig is you will need libncurses5-dev. |
| 09:57.15 | Guerin | illustir: monkey see, monkey do |
| 09:57.24 | Overand | npx: no, but my furnace is a STEAM furnace heating a 1700s house with no insulation |
| 09:57.25 | illustir | yeah |
| 09:57.32 | obell | libncurses5-dev is installed else no make menuconfig .. |
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| 09:57.32 | Guerin | Overand: awesome |
| 09:57.38 | npx | Yeah, that's nice |
| 09:57.45 | Overand | and the 'hole' is the part where the fuel injector is attached and has been melting/rusting/charring off |
| 09:57.52 | Overand | and has been cemented back on byu the furnace people |
| 09:57.52 | obell | kernel compiles ok, boot ok, only no iptables.o loading.. |
| 09:58.00 | obell | i need it for the firewall ... |
| 09:58.03 | Guerin | obell: NO SHIT |
| 09:58.08 | npx | Sounds like a good chance to test your spotwelding skills |
| 09:58.14 | npx | or develop some =) |
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| 09:58.34 | Guerin | obell: you need to build the fucking module against the headers of the kernel you want to run it with |
| 09:58.51 | Overand | i'd need to get a nice plate to weld onto it |
| 09:58.56 | AlexW | hrrm for some reasons debian didnt recognise my network card 0_o |
| 09:58.56 | obell | Guerin: I DID !!!! |
| 09:58.58 | sbk | "You can show a horse to the water, but can't make it ring", he bellowed at obell |
| 09:59.01 | Guerin | man, I know these people |
| 09:59.06 | mlewis00 | thd: I was almost gone to bed :-) You could download the kernel-image package (i.e. kernel-image-2.4.xx-x-686.deb) while booted under a different kernel and then use dpkg - i to install it. |
| 09:59.07 | Guerin | obell: if you had, it'd be working |
| 09:59.09 | Overand | i turned the furnace off, bah. gotta decide if i want to wake up the fam |
| 09:59.10 | obell | i'm not crays. ! |
| 09:59.11 | coywolf | when will debian shift to x.org? |
| 09:59.16 | Overand | coywolf: READ THE TOPIC |
| 09:59.17 | AlexW | i assume ifconfig has nothing |
| 09:59.17 | peterS | coywolf: I JUST TOLD YOU |
| 09:59.19 | Guerin | !topicbadger coywolf |
| 09:59.19 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that coywolf didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 09:59.34 | npx | Overand yah but you could fix it for $30 or so, if you used a junkyard injector |
| 09:59.51 | Overand | npx a junkyard injector that'll fit this 30 year old steam furnace? not unlikely i suppose |
| 09:59.55 | obell | guerin.. if you know so will, why didnt you read what i wrote ! |
| 10:00.05 | mlewis00 | thd: You would boot back into the system that is having the problem in order to install it, though. |
| 10:00.21 | Guerin | these guys built their own house from compressed clay bricks, and welded up a massive cone-furnace with a wetback out of scrap metal |
| 10:00.26 | obell | kernel compiles ok. (correct headers) , i always do it this way and it always works ! |
| 10:00.29 | Guerin | it's outstanding |
| 10:00.35 | npx | Yeah you'd just have to get a grommet and weld the grommet onto what you were using to patch the hole |
| 10:00.39 | Overand | Guerin: i've wanted to build a non-traditional house for a long time |
| 10:00.43 | npx | Then put the injector into the grommet and voila! |
| 10:00.50 | Overand | npx: i'm not sure you get what i mean by 'hole |
| 10:00.56 | AlexW | hrrrm |
| 10:00.59 | Overand | i'm gonna take a picture, heh |
| 10:00.59 | Guerin | obell: I'm not aware of anything that causes unresolved module errors than building against the wrong headers |
| 10:01.03 | AlexW | how do i configure network>? |
| 10:01.07 | npx | hahah alright overand |
| 10:01.13 | keta | AlexW: man interfaces |
| 10:01.20 | Guerin | Overand: yeah, when I get back to civilisation that's what I'm going to do. |
| 10:01.38 | npx | Guerin my grandfather's house is sorta like that =) |
| 10:01.43 | obell | ok, but these headers are in the kernel-source-2.4.27 already, correct me if i'm wrong ? |
| 10:01.46 | AlexW | what about hardware |
| 10:01.53 | npx | Guerin He built it himself, it's a trip. The plumbing is the best part. |
| 10:01.59 | Guerin | AlexW: what about it? |
| 10:02.08 | peterS | Guerin: so, kuja got disconnected not long after I asked him what locale he was using. now I'm going to bed, I think. if he reappears, you might find out if he's using UTF-8 or what, and if it's indeed UTF-8, tell him to put 'utf8' in the mount options field of his vfat fs entry in /etc/fstab |
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| 10:02.13 | Guerin | AlexW: the rj45 peepee goes in the ethernet peepee |
| 10:02.14 | obell | npx now were talking :D |
| 10:02.33 | Guerin | peterS: roger that. Thanks :) |
| 10:02.56 | Guerin | npx: I'm going to implement korean-style underfloor heating, too |
| 10:03.06 | coywolf | peterS, :P |
| 10:03.08 | npx | Guerin I'm not familiar with it - sounds neat though |
| 10:03.28 | Guerin | npx: I have it all worked out, from a look at a house my sister used to live in which was heated by cast-iron pipes full of water, heated off a coalrange |
| 10:03.28 | peterS | Guerin: I was actually surprised to see that in 'man 8 mount' - apparently vfat doesn't support all the wild and wooly charset modules other linux fses (like UDF and NTFS) do. it's UTF-8 or plain ASCII, even though vfat does store enough info to convert filenames into other charsets |
| 10:03.32 | npx | My place has hardwood floors, they're murderous in the morning |
| 10:03.39 | AlexW | Guerin: i know that |
| 10:03.45 | AlexW | Guerin: and it is |
| 10:03.54 | obell | other question then, somebody has kernel-source-2.4.27-6 to download for me, this kernel was working.. ( exactly same procedure for building as the -8 ) |
| 10:03.56 | thd | mlewis00: off to reboot under an old kernel. Good night :) |
| 10:03.56 | Guerin | npx: yeah |
| 10:04.20 | mlewis00 | thd: Goodnight :) |
| 10:04.33 | npx | Guerin sounds like a great job for a 600 gallon hot water heater =) |
| 10:04.38 | obell | goodnight, is f.ck.ng morning her.. |
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| 10:04.47 | AlexW | kudzu is wat i wanted |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | npx: yeah, this was a small house. |
| 10:04.56 | Guerin | !kudzu |
| 10:04.56 | dpkg | it has been said that kudzu is redhat's hardware autodetection and configuration program, which runs each boot to check for and configure any changed hardware on the system. a dip shit |
| 10:05.11 | AlexW | i think |
| 10:05.14 | peterS | npx: I never did understand the need to describe a water heater as 'hot'. that's just an odd name for it |
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| 10:05.27 | AlexW | hrrm well how do i config hardware ? |
| 10:05.37 | npx | peterS yeah it is redundant, but that's just what i've always heard it called |
| 10:05.40 | Overand | i like the uber-small water heaters that use gas and heat like a gallon or less of water, and turn on when you turn on the sink or shower |
| 10:05.44 | Overand | and are *right* next to the shower |
| 10:05.54 | nevyn | peterS: "hot water service" |
| 10:05.56 | peterS | npx: indeed. it's certainly not just you. I've just wondered that for a long time |
| 10:06.02 | nevyn | is understandable tho. |
| 10:06.56 | Guerin | !kudzu is also another words for 'dirty kludge', and a noxious vine which smothers everything it touches. You have been warned. |
| 10:06.56 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 10:07.00 | Overand | damn that picture did NOT come out |
| 10:07.09 | Guerin | !kudzu =~ s/words/word/ |
| 10:07.09 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 10:07.15 | npx | Guerin I'm thinking of well -> water heater -> water softener -> thermostat controlled valve -> reservoir for floor warmer -> pump -> floor warming pipes -> reservoir |
| 10:07.16 | Overand | wow |
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| 10:07.23 | Overand | that's an awesome script that bot runs |
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| 10:07.24 | parityflag | hi. has anybody ever configured an IBM netfinity server? |
| 10:08.05 | npx | that'd be fun to build |
| 10:08.07 | peterS | npx: so kind of like traditional oriental warmed floors, except with water rather than via a furnace |
| 10:08.14 | Guerin | npx: yeah. A simple pressure release and overvlow tank; when the water cools it'll suck back in what's needed to keep it full |
| 10:08.15 | jethro | !tell parityflag about anyone |
| 10:08.19 | Overand | blootbot hm |
| 10:08.32 | npx | yeah exactly peterS |
| 10:08.34 | parityflag | :P |
| 10:08.36 | Guerin | peterS: well, in korea they are done with water |
| 10:08.43 | Guerin | peterS: that's what I'm talking about |
| 10:08.53 | npx | that'd be fun to build; I was thinking of building a well in my basement over that spring |
| 10:08.55 | peterS | Guerin: oh? ok. I missed the beginning of the thread, I guess (: |
| 10:08.55 | Overand | hm |
| 10:09.00 | Overand | do i turn on the furnace again or do i leave it off |
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| 10:09.12 | Overand | i don't really want to wake up the family at 5:09 in the morning |
| 10:09.15 | npx | Overand if it has a _HOLE_ in it, I'd leave it off =) |
| 10:09.16 | Araldit | When XMMS opens it places a a bar in the window list, and in the docktray. Im using gnome by the way. Does anyone know if I can have XMMS only to show in the docktray, not in the windowlist.. |
| 10:09.26 | Guerin | and the best thing is that they stack apartments ~20 high and ~20 long, so if you're in the middle of it all, you're insulated by the apartments around you |
| 10:09.26 | npx | Overand, lest the gas leak out and really ruin your day |
| 10:09.31 | Overand | it's an oil furnace |
| 10:09.37 | npx | oh I thought you said it was gas |
| 10:09.44 | Overand | no, it's a steam furnace |
| 10:09.50 | Overand | oil-burning, one pipe to each radiator |
| 10:10.01 | Overand | it forces steam down the lines, and nothing returns |
| 10:10.05 | Overand | it's weird as hell |
| 10:10.12 | parityflag | how do I configure an IBM Netfinity's (5100) BIOS over a serial-port? |
| 10:10.16 | npx | I'd leave it off till you can formulate a plan of attack for the hole, sun will be coming up in a few hours |
| 10:10.18 | Overand | every radiator goes HSS when it's working well, and CLAN CLAN hiss BUBBLE when it isn't |
| 10:10.23 | parityflag | i know it's possible :( |
| 10:10.26 | Overand | let's see how cold is it here |
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| 10:10.50 | Guerin | it's above freezing here |
| 10:10.50 | directhex|work | parityflag, telnet to it, 9600 baud |
| 10:10.57 | Guerin | what a joke :) |
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| 10:11.09 | npx | we've been having 50 degree days here, unusual for this time of year |
| 10:11.09 | Xtr3 | can someone please provide feedback on what you would consider the better business name out of "novafront & ovlay"? |
| 10:11.09 | Overand | I've got to choose between possibly frozen pipes (and people) and a possible fire, heh |
| 10:11.13 | Overand | sweet. |
| 10:11.19 | Overand | Xtr3: ovlay sounds like ovulate |
| 10:11.22 | Overand | i'd go for novafront |
| 10:11.23 | npx | Overand you have a space heater around there? |
| 10:11.34 | directhex|work | Xtr3, ovlay sounds as if it's related to female fertility |
| 10:11.36 | Overand | npx: not enough for all the pipes in an uninsulated 1700s house, heh |
| 10:11.43 | parityflag | directhex|work: it has 3 ports, but on the motherboard is a special one... |
| 10:11.52 | Xtr3 | haha |
| 10:11.53 | directhex|work | Xtr3, and novafront sounds like a bittorrent web page |
| 10:11.53 | Xtr3 | thanks |
| 10:11.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:12.02 | Overand | novafront is *ok* |
| 10:12.11 | npx | Overand you just need to get the ones that are most likely to freeze |
| 10:12.12 | Xtr3 | it's not excellent though is it? |
| 10:12.17 | Overand | Xtr3: no it's not |
| 10:12.23 | npx | your house should retain enough heat to keep the majority of them from freezing |
| 10:12.23 | directhex|work | parityflag, yes. i think 2 of them suppport serial management. |
| 10:12.30 | Overand | npx: probably. |
| 10:12.47 | Overand | the furnace has been running 24/7 for about a week now. |
| 10:12.55 | Guerin | the last couple he came up with, one sounded like an arm of Stalin's secret police, the other rhymed with 'dismal' |
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| 10:13.13 | Overand | Xtr3: what does the business do? |
| 10:13.34 | directhex|work | Overand, enhance female fertility patterns. ovlay it is! |
| 10:13.38 | Overand | May I suggest Lysergiforce? |
| 10:13.43 | Guerin | hahah |
| 10:13.51 | npx | haahah |
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| 10:13.56 | Xtr3 | information technology.. if you or someone else has the perfect business name i'll transfer 20 USD to a paypal account |
| 10:13.57 | Guerin | !overand++ |
| 10:13.59 | Overand | a business dedicated to forcing people to eat lysergic acid amides |
| 10:14.09 | Xtr3 | hehe |
| 10:14.12 | directhex|work | how about HENK enterprises |
| 10:14.15 | npx | hahaha |
| 10:14.21 | directhex|work | the bold and underline are important |
| 10:14.30 | npx | my sister wrote a pretty cool song called lysergic acid dythlemide (sp?) |
| 10:14.37 | Guerin | ID-HAN |
| 10:14.41 | Xtr3 | whatever the name is though it must be unique enough to have a top level domain avail |
| 10:14.45 | Guerin | I Don't - Have A Name |
| 10:14.52 | Overand | get something with a scientific-sounding word in it, like Quantegy did |
| 10:14.56 | Guerin | npx: diethyl |
| 10:15.03 | Overand | haha |
| 10:15.14 | Overand | how about diacetyl-happy-day? |
| 10:15.19 | npx | hahahaha |
| 10:15.25 | Xtr3 | i thought about novagenix |
| 10:15.25 | Xtr3 | lol |
| 10:15.38 | Overand | novagenix -- genetics company |
| 10:15.41 | Overand | novalogic |
| 10:15.49 | Xtr3 | novalogic sounds good |
| 10:15.51 | Guerin | oh, you mean that new biotech company which is cloning monkeys to replace workers? |
| 10:15.57 | Overand | heh |
| 10:15.58 | Overand | it's taken |
| 10:15.59 | Overand | damn |
| 10:16.01 | npx | Guerin god, first the mexicans, now this! |
| 10:16.03 | Guerin | Overand: you're faster than me |
| 10:16.14 | Overand | how about nuevologic |
| 10:16.18 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:16.19 | Xtr3 | novologic isn't taken |
| 10:16.30 | Xtr3 | & novo is latin for new |
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| 10:16.32 | Overand | novOlogic isn't |
| 10:16.37 | Overand | nuevologic is good |
| 10:16.44 | Overand | i like that |
| 10:16.47 | Xtr3 | well what about "Novologic"? |
| 10:16.48 | Overand | spanish words are hip |
| 10:16.54 | Overand | i don't like novologic |
| 10:16.59 | Overand | but it's ok |
| 10:17.00 | ircdevil | locologic ? |
| 10:17.03 | Overand | haha |
| 10:17.03 | Guerin | it sure sounds bland enough to be a megacorp name |
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| 10:17.07 | Guerin | like SkyNet |
| 10:17.10 | Overand | like 'microsoft' |
| 10:17.14 | Guerin | novoloco |
| 10:17.20 | Guerin | or better yet |
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| 10:17.23 | Guerin | nuevoloco |
| 10:17.30 | Overand | i still think it should be a thinly veiled drug reference |
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| 10:17.34 | ircdevil | lets face it - best choice -> "locoloco" |
| 10:17.35 | Bozza | Hi, how do i create a user account that has no shell access? |
| 10:17.35 | Overand | like, hm. |
| 10:17.40 | peterS | logonovic |
| 10:17.40 | Xtr3 | hehe |
| 10:17.43 | peterS | people will think it's bosnian |
| 10:17.45 | Overand | Dextro-data |
| 10:17.53 | qwertz | Hi! Running debian sarge with mysql-server 4.1.8 I've problems using phpmyadmin. Connecting to the database results in "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client" although libmysqlclient14 is installed it seems that php is using libmysqlclient10. Any way to use libmysqlclinet14 instead of 10? |
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| 10:18.10 | Guerin | Bozza: man adduser or man useradd; or manually, set their shell to somethign worthless in passwd |
| 10:18.19 | Xtr3 | what does nuevo mean? |
| 10:18.22 | Overand | Xtr3: new |
| 10:18.24 | Overand | in spanish |
| 10:18.34 | peterS | qwertz: take it up with phpmyadmin. that's what has to decide to use one client library version or the other |
| 10:18.48 | peterS | qwertz: check http://bugs.debian.org/phpmyadmin for starters, see if it's been reported already |
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| 10:18.53 | Overand | peterS: doesn't phpmyadmin just use the mysql support in php? |
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| 10:19.09 | peterS | Overand: oh, does it? perhaps it does. good point |
| 10:19.14 | Guerin | yongjoo: jjijil mode off to you too |
| 10:19.27 | Overand | qwertz: do other mysql php apps work? |
| 10:19.36 | peterS | qwertz: Overand makes a good point. take it up with the php4-mysql package |
| 10:19.53 | Overand | i had some ttrouble with that recently |
| 10:20.00 | Overand | make a phpinfo(); script page |
| 10:20.18 | Overand | and if it doesn't list a mysql module make sure it's installed, and make sure that the .so or whatever is loaded in /etc/php/apache/php.ini or whatever |
| 10:20.38 | Guerin | well, clearly SOME module is getting loaded |
| 10:20.51 | Overand | Guerin: unless phpmyadmin's error handling is bad |
| 10:20.52 | Guerin | I wonder if there might not be another lib floating about somewhere in there |
| 10:20.54 | Overand | which is entirely possible |
| 10:20.58 | Overand | albiet unlikely |
| 10:20.59 | Guerin | yeah, which it probably is |
| 10:21.03 | peterS | according to 'apt-cache show', php4-mysql uses libmysqlclient10 |
| 10:21.09 | Overand | fuck this man |
| 10:21.18 | Xtr3 | who else likes "nuevologic" more than "novologic"? |
| 10:21.19 | Overand | i should irc from the basement with a fire extinguisher |
| 10:21.28 | Guerin | Overand: haha |
| 10:21.29 | Overand | hm... but then ther'es the carbon monoxide risk |
| 10:21.30 | peterS | Xtr3: no. novologic >> nuevologic. |
| 10:21.32 | Guerin | Overand: and a webcam |
| 10:21.34 | Overand | hah |
| 10:21.35 | Overand | yeah |
| 10:21.36 | Overand | oh man |
| 10:21.38 | Overand | i have one |
| 10:21.41 | npx | hahahahah |
| 10:21.50 | Overand | who wants to talk me through getting my webcam to work on this laptop? |
| 10:21.50 | Overand | haha |
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| 10:22.07 | Indal | hmm i hate it when you compile the kernel and it takes ages, and then errors towards the end |
| 10:22.25 | Overand | Indal: got mor ethan one box running *nix on your house/ |
| 10:22.26 | Guerin | dude, i was going to get my mum a webcam for christmas so she can talk with me... but I decided it'd be too hard to set up and figure out |
| 10:22.30 | Overand | get that distributed dcc thing |
| 10:22.31 | Overand | er |
| 10:22.33 | Overand | distributed gcc |
| 10:22.34 | Overand | heh |
| 10:22.44 | Overand | distcc |
| 10:22.56 | Guerin | what cams work well and freely under linux? Anything supported in the stock kernel, or is it all ugly binary addins? |
| 10:23.12 | Overand | Guerin: i think some chipsets are supported well |
| 10:23.16 | Overand | lots of cams use the same chipsets |
| 10:23.18 | nikls | hi |
| 10:23.21 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:23.34 | Overand | if my firlfriend weren't asleep in my room (and potentially pissed off at me for staying up late) i'd go snag one and test it out |
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| 10:24.32 | nikls | i have a laptop with a wifi card integrated, how can i know what chipset it is ? (i tried lspci, but i don't know which line could concern the wifi card) |
| 10:25.25 | obell | Guerin : you where correct, it was the headers, but because of a stupid error of me in my lilo config. .. just wanted to let you know. |
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| 10:25.56 | obell | anyway thanx everybody for the help :-D im protected again. |
| 10:26.40 | Guerin | !beer me |
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| 10:26.46 | parityflag | directhex|work: you said telnet. but, how telnetting to a serial port ?? |
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| 10:27.55 | Pelalil | Whats the best way to find out what version of libc is installed (without using apt) |
| 10:28.19 | kuja | dpkg? |
| 10:28.25 | nevyn | dpkg |
| 10:28.28 | nevyn | pkgcfg |
| 10:28.28 | Overand | nikls: upload the contents of lspci to a webpage and link us there |
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| 10:28.53 | Guerin | Pelalil: less /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 10:29.25 | drum | Hi, How can I change resolution of graphics? I just installed Debian 3.0 and the windows won't fit on the screen. I tried ctrl/alt and the +&- signs on numeric keypad with no luck. thanks, newbie. |
| 10:29.32 | nikls | Overland: can i copy-paste it to you in private ? |
| 10:29.32 | qwertz | peterS is there any way to get a php4-mysql version that uses libmysqlclient14? |
| 10:29.33 | Pelalil | Guerin: I meant, wiout using debian package manegment at all |
| 10:29.36 | Indal | hmmcould someone help me with: http://pastebin.com/233627 and any idea of a resolution, as i'm at a loss :( |
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| 10:30.04 | nikls | Overland: or in #flood ? |
| 10:30.06 | peterS | qwertz: I have no idea. you can try pulling down the source yourself and seeing if it seems to be possible to compile it with a newer client library |
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| 10:30.24 | idimmu | isnt #flood a bit disrespectful to the indonesians? :( |
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| 10:30.31 | Overand | nikls: sure |
| 10:30.32 | peterS | idimmu: :| |
| 10:30.43 | Overand | do it in #flood |
| 10:30.59 | idimmu | :| |
| 10:31.24 | peterS | qwertz: I could tell you who to bug on irc (the maintainer), but (a) he's not around right now, and (b) he'd kill me if I told people to bother him directly rather than just filing bugs or using email |
| 10:32.01 | nikls | Overland: ok, it's in #flood |
| 10:32.11 | npx | He may kill you for even thinking about it, peterS |
| 10:32.13 | npx | tread carefully |
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| 10:32.37 | peterS | npx: he's in australia, it'd take some effort to end my life from that far away |
| 10:33.00 | npx | if you're in the states...I know a guy |
| 10:33.04 | npx | =P |
| 10:33.06 | peterS | hehe |
| 10:33.16 | npx | a friend of mine really wanted to be a hitman for years |
| 10:33.26 | npx | he was always telling me how he fantasized about killing people |
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| 10:33.35 | npx | I, uh, sorta broke that off, heh |
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| 10:33.40 | Ecu | Hello all. |
| 10:33.44 | npx | sup ecu |
| 10:34.44 | Ecu | I'm the new guy to linux... currently attempting to install woody debian on a computer next to me. |
| 10:35.37 | blackb0x | Ecu:great!! |
| 10:35.47 | Ecu | Realized now that it might have been a good idea to tell in not to scan the whole drive for errors lmao. |
| 10:36.09 | Ecu | I am fed up with windows. |
| 10:36.37 | Ecu | So I figure I'll get my other computer running with linux and set this one aside once I've got a hang of things. |
| 10:36.59 | drum | Hi Ecu, I've just installed same and the windows are so big they won't fit on screen. How do i change resolution? |
| 10:37.07 | Ecu | TransGaming boasts a Emu that runs a ton of windows games. So I should be fine. |
| 10:37.19 | nikls | Overland: have you found something? |
| 10:37.56 | keta | drum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree |
| 10:38.15 | Ecu | drum: No idea. I am currently initializing the linux partition |
| 10:38.38 | drum | Thanks keta, I'll try it |
| 10:38.49 | SnuS | anyone here can help me with some NAT and gre tunneling problems ? it is a weird and quite long thing to write, so i'd rather not flood the channel ( yes, I know it is not distro-specific ) |
| 10:39.09 | Phated | peterS: Maintainers can be very vengeful... And with the whole Debian community spread around... He probably knows someone. :) |
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| 10:40.02 | npx | Ecu, as long as you don't wanna run games from the last decade, yeah =) there are good native linux games though |
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| 10:40.19 | npx | doom 3, ut2k3/4, quake 3, ET and ETF, nwn |
| 10:40.43 | Ecu | npx : Really? That emu won't run newer games like it boasts? |
| 10:40.45 | directhex|work | Ecu, erm... this is for a desktop? |
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| 10:40.56 | Ecu | Yeah |
| 10:41.03 | Ecu | I want to switch to Linux heh. |
| 10:41.07 | directhex|work | Ecu, stop. quit. don't install woody. |
| 10:41.10 | directhex|work | !d-i |
| 10:41.11 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:41.20 | directhex|work | Ecu, go to that url, download and install sarge. |
| 10:41.33 | npx | Ecu, unless you've got an incredibly fast machine, they'll be slow as hell. And even if you do, there are a lot of compatibility issues. |
| 10:41.38 | npx | Starcraft still doesn't run flawlessly. |
| 10:42.09 | directhex|work | npx, that's a bit of a strawman argument, starcraft has dodgy timing code. many recent 3d titles are fine |
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| 10:42.34 | npx | directhex|work it's not the timing code, it's the menus that are fubar'd |
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| 10:42.53 | naim | can i add another ip to bond0 ? is it the same as adding an ip for eth0 ?? |
| 10:42.59 | Ecu | I really want to play WoW, and would be fine playing linux natives otherwise. |
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| 10:43.12 | directhex|work | Ecu, you won't be doing much if you install woody |
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| 10:43.18 | Ecu | Why? |
| 10:43.23 | Phated | Woddy old. |
| 10:43.27 | Phated | Woody |
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| 10:43.40 | npx | He can just dist-upgrade to sarge... |
| 10:43.47 | docta_v | Ecu: I assume you're aware that Cedega supports WoW |
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| 10:43.48 | Ecu | Hrm, well I kind of have to ... I'll have to upgrade once its up and running. |
| 10:43.54 | Phated | npx: Or use d-i. :) |
| 10:43.55 | directhex|work | npx, which leaves him fucked for ease-of-use things like hotplug |
| 10:43.59 | naim | !bond |
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| 10:44.13 | Ecu | docta_v: Yeah I am, thats why I payed to try it. |
| 10:44.13 | npx | I wouldn't call hotplug an ease-of-use thing, more of a pain-in-the-balls thing |
| 10:44.14 | directhex|work | Ecu, what hardware are you installing to? |
| 10:44.16 | \SjN\ | hey guys. i need a Linux for a complete Nub. should i get Red hat or something else? |
| 10:44.29 | AlexW | so err how do i setup eth1 |
| 10:44.33 | npx | But that's just me. |
| 10:44.34 | AlexW | is there a TUI? |
| 10:44.43 | npx | alexw, man interfaces |
| 10:44.44 | nikls | i have a laptop with a wifi card integrated, how can i know what chipset it is ? (i tried lspci, but i don't know which line could concern the wifi card) |
| 10:44.54 | AlexW | err? |
| 10:44.57 | tuxy17 | hi. I have a DELL PowerEdge 2400 server with 4 hard drives with RAID 5, and debian-installer fails, saying that i don't have any hard drive. What can i do ? |
| 10:45.06 | AlexW | i mean a TUI or something |
| 10:45.07 | directhex|work | tuxy17, the sarge installer? |
| 10:45.08 | npx | AlexW, m-a-n i-n-t-e-r-f-a-c-e-s |
| 10:45.11 | docta_v | \SjN\: SuSe provides a personal distro for free...might be worth a try |
| 10:45.13 | tuxy17 | directhex|work, yeap |
| 10:45.20 | directhex|work | tuxy17, moan in #debian-boot |
| 10:45.22 | Ecu | directhex: Hrm, honestly my brain isn't remembering too well as its like 4:30am or so. |
| 10:45.24 | docta_v | \SjN\: or you can play around with the knoppix live cd |
| 10:45.35 | docta_v | using knoppix is the easiest way to try linux |
| 10:45.35 | \SjN\ | does it support VPN? |
| 10:45.38 | npx | \SjN\ I hear ubuntu is decent |
| 10:45.39 | tuxy17 | directhex|work, already done. Anything else ? |
| 10:45.48 | npx | Yeah, linux supports vpn. |
| 10:45.50 | directhex|work | Ecu, if it's more recent than january 2002, woody is not going to make you a happy bunny |
| 10:45.53 | scarynetworkguy | tuxy17: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=875 |
| 10:45.58 | docta_v | I don't think you want to mess with vpns |
| 10:46.05 | docta_v | you've never used linux before....start with square one |
| 10:46.07 | Ecu | It is, I am sure of that. |
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| 10:46.23 | npx | Ecu, I installed woody on my athlon xp 2700+ system with no problems |
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| 10:46.55 | AlexW | so auto eth1 willd o what? |
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| 10:47.04 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
| 10:47.04 | dpkg | from memory, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 10:47.07 | petros_ | hi |
| 10:47.20 | snko0osj | hi, when i try ./configure on my app it sais python isn't installed, but it is |
| 10:47.22 | petros_ | which debian version do you preffer me to use for a server? |
| 10:47.26 | snko0osj | where can i set a standard path ? |
| 10:47.42 | Ecu | Can I update it?... my cd-writer is on the computer I'm installing linux to right now. not to mention its in the scanning process. |
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| 10:48.10 | \SjN\ | Suse live-eval or personal which one should i get? |
| 10:48.26 | directhex|work | Ecu, you can, assuming your network card is supported by woody. |
| 10:48.50 | yogin | hi everyone... i'm new to linux... can someone help me direct to a good link on how to fix the sound and special keys on powerpc ibook |
| 10:48.53 | tuxy17 | scarynetworkguy, it seems that it's old woody install |
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| 10:49.13 | tuxy17 | did you guys already install debian with sarge installer and RAID 5 disks ? |
| 10:49.16 | AlexW | how do i do a dchp config? |
| 10:49.21 | scarynetworkguy | tuxy17: Follow the links and read. |
| 10:49.51 | iceman | yogin: I belive the sound module is 'dmasound' |
| 10:49.55 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: package arrived in tiptop condition yesterday, cheers :) |
| 10:50.06 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Coolness. :) |
| 10:50.42 | Ecu | Well here's to hoping, I got awhile left in the scan... its about 1/3 the way done... |
| 10:50.53 | tuxy17 | scarynetworkguy, it is not the same pc as mine. Why do you point me that link. Do you have also a Poweredge 2400, and know that works with that doc ? |
| 10:51.08 | directhex|work | Ecu, if the networking isn't supported, first you'll need to somehow get some recent 2.4 kernel source onto the computer, and make a new kernel |
| 10:51.23 | scarynetworkguy | tuxy17: Did you follow the links off of that and get to the stuff with the current drivers? Did you read? Did you think? |
| 10:51.33 | tuxy17 | scarynetworkguy, langage ! |
| 10:51.41 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: except, the dumb motherfuckers have one on backorder, so you may or may not get another package. if you do, hold it, because our address is about to change |
| 10:51.58 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, nowhere near enough swearing in that one |
| 10:51.58 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Will do. |
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| 10:52.22 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Nope not half as much as usual. I'm in a good mood. |
| 10:52.24 | AlexW | so now configurec |
| 10:52.32 | AlexW | npx: finshed what now? |
| 10:52.40 | sime_ | can synaptic remove things i install from source ? |
| 10:53.17 | Guerin | sime_: only if you make debian packages out of them. |
| 10:53.23 | AlexW | how do i list network cards |
| 10:53.27 | Ecu | I am installing Woody via Netinst, does that change anything? |
| 10:53.28 | Guerin | AlexW: lspci |
| 10:53.41 | AlexW | thx |
| 10:53.59 | Guerin | !thx |
| 10:53.59 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 10:54.36 | fors | !knark |
| 10:54.36 | dpkg | methinks knark is at http://www.sans.org/resources/idfaq/knark.php |
| 10:54.51 | AlexW | hrrrm |
| 10:54.51 | directhex|work | Ecu, no. just don't expect it to do anything like load up xfree86 on your graphics card |
| 10:54.54 | AlexW | the controler is there |
| 10:55.01 | AlexW | the network cables are all plugged in |
| 10:55.16 | Guerin | AlexW: what's not working? |
| 10:55.18 | AlexW | the network lights are on |
| 10:55.38 | AlexW | network |
| 10:55.46 | Guerin | AlexW: man interfaces |
| 10:55.56 | AlexW | IVE configured it FFS |
| 10:56.05 | gameover | what is the best way to build a module? kpackage? |
| 10:56.10 | gameover | kpkg rather |
| 10:56.15 | AlexW | no i got ifup etho0 and it just sits there |
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| 10:56.16 | Guerin | AlexW: ask a vague question, get a vague answer |
| 10:56.31 | AlexW | i already said ive configured it |
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| 10:56.45 | jcoiron | would someone knows a PDF version of the Debian Developer's Reference ? or a HTML doc with everything on 1 page ? |
| 10:56.48 | Guerin | AlexW: loaded your driver modules? |
| 10:56.54 | AlexW | they are? |
| 10:56.57 | kuja | gameover: I always download kernels myself from kernel.org and use make menuconfig && make modules && make modules_install |
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| 10:57.01 | Ecu | I know nothing about linux yet heh, so If it installs I'll be happy. |
| 10:57.16 | AlexW | Ecu: lol |
| 10:57.25 | AlexW | Guerin: how so? |
| 10:57.26 | Guerin | jcoiron: I think those docs are all built from an xml source, so you can likely get the source and build whatever format you like from it |
| 10:57.39 | Guerin | AlexW: it was a question. |
| 10:57.46 | kuja | Anyone here use multi-byte languages? |
| 10:57.48 | AlexW | well i dont even know what that is |
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| 10:58.01 | AlexW | well eth0 is up |
| 10:58.03 | AlexW | but no ip |
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| 10:58.13 | Guerin | kuja: try specifying utf-8 in the 'options' field of your fstab entry |
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| 10:58.21 | kuja | Guerin: Huh? |
| 10:58.23 | Guerin | AlexW: where's it supposed to get an ip from?? |
| 10:58.24 | kuja | Oh hm. |
| 10:58.32 | AlexW | the hub |
| 10:58.37 | kuja | Guerin: Is that a possible solution to my older question? |
| 10:58.41 | kuja | Sorry if I missed it. |
| 10:58.43 | Guerin | kuja: yes. |
| 10:59.11 | jcoiron | Guerin: thx, I'll try from the SGML source if I manage to find it :) |
| 10:59.47 | Indal | hmm i've tried changing as many settings as possible in the kernel config but i keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/233627 error, could anyone point me rouhgly in the right direction? |
| 11:00.06 | Guerin | kuja: utf8, I mean. It's detailed in man 8 mount |
| 11:00.32 | keith_ | Hello everyone. Can someone help me as to how to use xine. I want to be able to watch a DVD but I cannot get it working. |
| 11:00.36 | AlexW | 10.0.0.138 |
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| 11:01.02 | pzn | Hi! which is the max number of a ppp interface in kernel 2.4/2.6? I'll need to create about 45 ppp interfaces. Is this too much? (default debian kernel image) |
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| 11:01.24 | AlexW | Guerin: the hub |
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| 11:02.35 | kuja | Guerin: Wow, I'm getting somewhere. Instead of question marks for multi-byte characters, I get weird cracked or square shapes. I think it's an advancement... probably need a different iocharset :D |
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| 11:03.56 | jcoiron | Guerin: info from helen (#debian-women) : there is a pdf version in the package developers-reference (/usr/share/doc/developers-reference/developers-reference.pdf) I paste this here in case it could be usefull to someone |
| 11:04.01 | AlexW[2] | could it be that 2.4 doesnt support my net card |
| 11:04.06 | directhex|work | kuja, what're you mounting? |
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| 11:04.21 | kuja | directhex|work: An iAUDIO 4 :) |
| 11:04.31 | kuja | Guerin: iocharset=euc-kr worked perfectly. |
| 11:04.39 | kuja | I would kiss you if it weren't for the Internet and my moniter :P |
| 11:04.46 | tobehz | How can I modify the Gnome-specific 'Actions' menu on the task bar on the Gnome in sid? |
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| 11:05.01 | kuja | Okay, one problem down... several more to go :P: |
| 11:05.13 | kuja | Several more until I get happy with my box :D |
| 11:05.15 | tobehz | The lock screen function doesn't work.. but I have a backup I can use, just need to be able to edit the menu |
| 11:05.31 | kuja | Second problem is... X seems to crash frequently while I listen to music and multitask. |
| 11:05.44 | AlexW[2] | Guerin: could it be that 2.4 doesnt support my net card |
| 11:05.48 | kuja | Main cause probably being the music. |
| 11:05.52 | kuja | But WHY, hehe. |
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| 11:07.34 | xdr | ´4~+3~01~9~~6~~354126t5y8ui9opå |
| 11:07.45 | AlexW[2] | i guess ill have to reinstall |
| 11:07.46 | AlexW[2] | with 2.2 |
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| 11:07.50 | AlexW[2] | or something |
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| 11:08.40 | kuja | Heh.. |
| 11:08.45 | kuja | Using a 2.2 kernel, bleh. |
| 11:08.50 | tobehz | :P |
| 11:09.03 | AlexW[2] | well i install 2.4 and my network doesnt work lol |
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| 11:09.05 | kuja | 2.4 is good, as well as 2.6 |
| 11:09.07 | tobehz | 2.2 isn't bad for getting Debian installed |
| 11:09.22 | tobehz | AlexW[2]: Which card? |
| 11:09.26 | AlexW[2] | err |
| 11:09.26 | kuja | I used 2.4 to install Debian from debian-installer |
| 11:09.32 | AlexW[2] | On-board |
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| 11:09.38 | tobehz | Which motherboard? |
| 11:09.39 | AlexW[2] | Intel |
| 11:09.41 | AlexW[2] | err |
| 11:09.42 | kuja | Then I grabbed the 2.6.8 source from apt and compiled it :P |
| 11:09.42 | AlexW[2] | HP |
| 11:09.51 | kuja | AlexW: Learn to compile a kernel. |
| 11:09.56 | kuja | Instead of relying on packages. |
| 11:10.04 | tobehz | kuja: Only half the battle. |
| 11:10.16 | AlexW[2] | yeh i should |
| 11:10.16 | kuja | What, the other half is knowing his hardware? :) |
| 11:10.22 | tobehz | Exactly :P |
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| 11:10.40 | AlexW[2] | i know my hwd |
| 11:10.41 | tobehz | A Debian kernel from apt-get is just as good as compiling, usually. |
| 11:10.55 | kuja | AlexW[2]: Then it should be rather easy for you to compile a strict kernel. |
| 11:11.08 | kuja | tobehz: Well, just as, with everything else you really don't need. |
| 11:11.13 | AlexW[2] | it should :/ |
| 11:11.13 | kuja | Plus, I *HATE* modules. |
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| 11:11.21 | AlexW[2] | but my net card works fine with 2.4 |
| 11:11.21 | Araldit | What packages does nautilus depend on to prelisten to music?? |
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| 11:11.25 | AlexW[2] | should i try 2.6 |
| 11:11.34 | tobehz | kuja: Sometimes you need modules opposed to built-in support. |
| 11:11.34 | kuja | I only have 3 modules loaded :P |
| 11:11.45 | kuja | nvidia, af_packet, and unix. |
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| 11:12.04 | kuja | Everything like sound or FS support and such I built it in. |
| 11:12.05 | tobehz | I remember a lot of the times, I couldn't compile XFS support in, and had to make it a module to mount my root fs :P |
| 11:12.36 | AlexW[2] | in the debian install mebe i can select which drivers |
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| 11:12.49 | kuja | I doubt so. |
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| 11:12.55 | kuja | It's a packaged image, IIRC. |
| 11:13.09 | kuja | Not exactly Gentoo, you know? :) |
| 11:13.33 | gameover | anyone know how to get direct rendering with the ATi driver, i got the module loaded and im in X, but got crappy mesa |
| 11:13.55 | tobehz | software rendering wooho :o |
| 11:13.58 | kuja | :O |
| 11:14.05 | kuja | gameover: Isn't there a kernel option? |
| 11:14.14 | AlexW[2] | now DHCPDISCOVER runs |
| 11:14.17 | tobehz | still break 300fps in quake2 w/ software rendering heh |
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| 11:14.28 | kuja | And DRI is for XF86 4.x or something I forget. |
| 11:14.32 | J_P | people, I have this message in my embedded : "EXT2-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended" . Can i ignore this message ? or my file system will be corrupted if I not pass e2fsck ? when i need save data i have one script do this : "mount -no remount,rw /csp"; ...; "sync"; "mount -no remount,ro /csp" |
| 11:14.41 | jm_ | you can, but it' |
| 11:14.48 | jm_ | s recommended to run fsck every now and then |
| 11:14.50 | gameover | kuja: no idea, someone told me to put vga=3 in in grub though if that has anything to do with it |
| 11:15.00 | AlexW[2] | see |
| 11:15.10 | AlexW[2] | Auto Config using DHCP/BOOTP failed |
| 11:15.15 | kuja | Passing vga to the kernel has to do with your terminal VGA, AFAIK... |
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| 11:15.19 | gameover | kuja: lemme see what /var/log/XFree86.log says |
| 11:15.21 | AlexW[2] | thats not normal |
| 11:15.37 | pzn | Hi! do you know the limit of ppp/eth interfaces in Debian default 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? Am I able to add about 50 interfaces, or will I have trouble? |
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| 11:15.51 | AlexW[2] | 50!!!!! |
| 11:15.54 | kuja | :P |
| 11:15.54 | gameover | DRI intilization failed it says |
| 11:15.55 | AlexW[2] | why do u have so many :P |
| 11:15.56 | tobehz | pzn: Try it and see. |
| 11:16.25 | AlexW[2] | thats alot of pci slots |
| 11:16.25 | AlexW[2] | :P |
| 11:16.25 | gameover | and i have no idea how to fix it |
| 11:16.25 | tobehz | AlexW[2]: Virtual interfaces |
| 11:16.25 | AlexW[2] | ahh |
| 11:16.26 | kuja | gameover: I've never had experience with DRI because nVidia isn't very good at supporting it :P |
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| 11:16.34 | directhex|work | kuja, neither are ati. |
| 11:16.55 | kuja | :S |
| 11:17.00 | kuja | Someone help me fix my sound problem :( |
| 11:17.05 | AlexW[2] | lol |
| 11:17.10 | gameover | kuja what kernel are you using |
| 11:17.10 | AlexW[2] | Speakers plugged in? |
| 11:17.11 | kuja | Listening to music and doing other tasks crashes X :( |
| 11:17.16 | kuja | gameover: 2.6.8 |
| 11:17.22 | kuja | AlexW: The sound works :P |
| 11:17.29 | kuja | Just a software problem I presume. |
| 11:17.31 | AlexW[2] | lol |
| 11:17.40 | AlexW[2] | what software |
| 11:17.41 | Coke | kuja: what version of debian, X and kernel? |
| 11:17.45 | pzn | AlexW[2], 4 eths and about 45 ppp connection (people outside the company will connect using ppp+ssh) |
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| 11:17.54 | gameover | have you tested your memory? |
| 11:17.59 | Coke | kuja: and what video driver are you using? |
| 11:18.01 | AlexW[2] | ahhh |
| 11:18.13 | gameover | kuja: memtest86 |
| 11:18.25 | kuja | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 20041215174925 fabbione@fabbione.net) |
| 11:18.27 | AlexW[2] | Coke: he said nvidia before |
| 11:18.40 | RAGNI | hæi' |
| 11:18.41 | Coke | I need ALL info |
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| 11:18.49 | pzn | tobehz, that is not the solution I needed... |
| 11:18.59 | Coke | kuja: kernel version, nvidia version, X version and debian version |
| 11:19.02 | tobehz | pzn: You never asked for a solution |
| 11:19.09 | docta_v | RAGNI: english only homeboy |
| 11:19.30 | chili | hi there, what is the best way let a user make remote web pages modifications? |
| 11:19.42 | docta_v | ftp? |
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| 11:19.46 | Overand | NiklasH_work: i have no idea which one that is |
| 11:19.52 | pzn | tobehz, sorry... bad english "solution" -> "answer". I meant I'd like to know the kernel limit, but if the only way is testing, I can do it also... |
| 11:19.55 | Overand | oh wrong nick |
| 11:19.56 | Overand | oh well |
| 11:19.58 | RAGNI | nånnj norske hær ellj? |
| 11:20.06 | docta_v | RAGNI: english only |
| 11:20.19 | gameover | grr i have to look at this small 17' screen |
| 11:20.19 | RAGNI | oki |
| 11:20.21 | kuja | 2.6.8 kernel / XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 20041215174925 fabbione@fabbione.net) / nVIDIA module built from 6106 binary |
| 11:20.23 | kuja | ^ Coke |
| 11:20.25 | tobehz | pzn: connections are not interfaces |
| 11:20.28 | AlexW[2] | yay |
| 11:20.30 | AlexW[2] | network is working |
| 11:20.30 | tobehz | so I think you'll be fine :p |
| 11:20.34 | AlexW[2] | i used the pci card |
| 11:20.36 | AlexW[2] | not onboard |
| 11:20.37 | kuja | :S |
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| 11:20.44 | Overand | So, what controls when my hard drive spins up and down? |
| 11:20.45 | Coke | kuja: what is the crash error message if any? |
| 11:20.49 | Per | RAGNI |
| 11:20.50 | AlexW[2] | probally blew the other card up :) |
| 11:20.58 | docta_v | Overand: the hand of god |
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| 11:21.21 | jerome | morninig all |
| 11:21.26 | pzn | tobehz, ok. thanks! anyway, I'll do what you suggest, I'll get two machines and create 100 ppp connections between them. lets see it if works! |
| 11:21.29 | gameover | would my DRI problem have anything to do with AGPGart |
| 11:21.29 | Coke | kuja: and with crashing you mean that the X process goes down and you end up in console? |
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| 11:21.52 | kuja | Coke: Nope, it freezes and I have to hit my power button. |
| 11:22.01 | kuja | No key responses, nothing. |
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| 11:22.07 | Coke | kuja: ssh? |
| 11:22.13 | kuja | SSH what? |
| 11:22.15 | gameover | kuja: memtest86 |
| 11:22.19 | Coke | kuja: can you ssh or ping the machine? |
| 11:22.34 | kuja | gameover: I grabbed the memtest86 package but the binary doesn't seem to be there :S |
| 11:22.37 | Per | you're english everybody?????? |
| 11:22.40 | Per | fuck off |
| 11:22.46 | gameover | kuja: just get the ISO and make a bootable CD |
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| 11:22.49 | Per | motherfuckers!!!!!! |
| 11:22.51 | kuja | Coke: I haven't tried because I have no other machine available. |
| 11:22.52 | tobehz | !ops Per is an idiot |
| 11:22.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Per is an idiot |
| 11:22.59 | Per | motherfuckers |
| 11:23.09 | Per | you fuck your motherseveryday |
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| 11:23.25 | Per | you suck tobehz |
| 11:23.28 | docta_v | Per: uhhhh...what's your problem bro? |
| 11:23.50 | gameover | kuja: theirs a linux binary i beleive also, but i used it when i was a windows man (last month) so had to use the ISO, its been my experiance that bad ram can be the root of many crashes |
| 11:23.52 | Per | i don't have a problem with you docta_v |
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| 11:23.59 | Coke | kuja: so it might not be X that is hung, but the kernel. |
| 11:24.01 | Per | just everybody else |
| 11:24.10 | kuja | gameover: I see. |
| 11:24.11 | Per | somebody playing scaep?? |
| 11:24.14 | Per | scape |
| 11:24.15 | kuja | Coke: Perhaps, hold on. |
| 11:24.31 | Per | some body playing Runescape?? |
| 11:24.31 | streuner__ | Per: go away |
| 11:24.39 | Per | fuck off streuner_ |
| 11:24.41 | gameover | kuja: think about it, your kernel is loaded into ram, if that ram has a few bad bits, your kernel is corrupt |
| 11:24.58 | rsalazar | can grub boot a root partition that is on a lvm logical volume? |
| 11:25.00 | Per | i'm leaving noobs and cock suckers |
| 11:25.01 | kuja | gameover: I can do a regular `memtest` but not `memtest86` |
| 11:25.06 | Coke | Where are the ops when you need'em? |
| 11:25.11 | Overand | Per: do you have a question or anything meaningful to submit? |
| 11:25.11 | jm_ | Coke: ;) |
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| 11:25.14 | nikls | hi |
| 11:25.15 | gameover | kuja: did you just apt-get it? |
| 11:25.19 | Overand | oh |
| 11:25.20 | Overand | heh |
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| 11:25.24 | kuja | gameover: Yeah |
| 11:25.32 | Overand | helps if i'm scrolled all the way down in my client when i get trolled |
| 11:25.37 | kuja | I did apt-get install memtest86 memtest86+ |
| 11:25.57 | docta_v | kuja: www.memtest.org, it's a bootable floppy/cd |
| 11:26.02 | docta_v | not a linux package |
| 11:26.04 | Coke | jm_: If this was #python he'd be banned for life. As a matter of fact, you get banned for life from #python for disagreeing on solutions with the ops there. :) |
| 11:26.07 | kuja | Ah |
| 11:26.09 | Overand | also, the new knoppix cds include memtesto n them |
| 11:26.09 | kuja | Alright. |
| 11:26.17 | Overand | docta_v: do you have a knoppix disc lying around? |
| 11:26.23 | nikls | i have a laptop with a wifi card integrated but i don't know how to make it work. |
| 11:26.31 | gameover | kuja: if you google it, theirs an iso on the homepage |
| 11:26.33 | Overand | nikls: i didn't see your wifi controller there |
| 11:26.38 | Coke | kuja: you need to isolate the problem, find out whether it is X that is hung or the kernel |
| 11:26.47 | gameover | kuja: its probably better to do it that way than within an OS anyway |
| 11:26.51 | chili | should I let a user access a web server as www-data to let him modify the web tree? |
| 11:26.51 | Overand | nikls: sorry i was afk for a while, my furnace was starting to carch fire |
| 11:26.57 | directhex|work | docta_v, wrong. you can load memtest directly from grub, if there's an image in /boot/. hence debian packages for it |
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| 11:27.00 | kuja | Coke: How so? |
| 11:27.12 | Overand | nikls, drop the output of this to me in msg: |
| 11:27.15 | Coke | kuja: my best guess is this - if X hangs you have a problem with the nvidia driver or the nvidia hardware (the former is more likely). if the kernel hangs you have a hardware problem guaranteed. |
| 11:27.20 | Overand | lspci | grep eth |
| 11:27.25 | docta_v | directhex|work: ah ha...interesting |
| 11:27.38 | nikls | Overand: no problem, you did what you had to |
| 11:27.39 | kuja | Coke: Note, this only happens when I listen to music. |
| 11:27.48 | Overand | also, nikls, is there onboard ethernet too? |
| 11:27.52 | Overand | and what's the model of the laptop? |
| 11:27.57 | Coke | kuja: ok, so it's even more likely the kernel is hung? |
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| 11:28.04 | keith_ | Is it possible to watch DVD videos using xine? |
| 11:28.04 | kuja | :P |
| 11:28.09 | kuja | keith_: Yes |
| 11:28.23 | kuja | Coke: I'll check out memtest86 and see what it has to say. |
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| 11:28.30 | Coke | kuja: have you tried playing music with something other than XMMS? you need to find out whether it is XMMS that is causing it or ALSA access. |
| 11:28.30 | kuja | And then perhaps I'll get a better clue. |
| 11:28.34 | Coke | kuja: it takes forever. |
| 11:28.35 | gameover | kuja: get ready, it takes a while |
| 11:28.39 | kuja | :O |
| 11:28.44 | kuja | Like, how long? lol |
| 11:28.45 | Coke | kuja: isolate the problem as much as you can before you go on bad memory hunt |
| 11:28.45 | gameover | kuja: let it do 2 passes at least |
| 11:28.57 | Coke | kuja: several days |
| 11:28.57 | gameover | kuja: 4-5 hours on a 2ghz |
| 11:28.59 | Overand | memtest86 is great |
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| 11:29.05 | Overand | it's solved so many problems i've had |
| 11:29.06 | kuja | Coke: XMMS did it when I was in GNOME, and Amarok does it now when I'm in KDE. |
| 11:29.09 | Overand | i had this !@#$ box that was so flaky |
| 11:29.14 | Overand | a friend with windows |
| 11:29.22 | drac | Anyone has idea what "SIOCSIFADDR: File exists", getting this when starting IPV6 tunnel, and it also brings IPV4 (eth0) down with it. Also i'm getting message "sit0: unknown hardware address type 776", and "ioctl: buffer is full.", I have 100mbit Intel Ethernet PCI, integrated on motherboard. It kinda works with both e100 and eepro100 drivers, but same error on both. |
| 11:29.22 | Overand | tried a knoppix disc and that kernel paniced at a weird time |
| 11:29.26 | Overand | so MEMTEST time |
| 11:29.28 | kuja | I have 448MB RAM |
| 11:29.29 | kuja | :P |
| 11:29.30 | Coke | kuja: so it sounds like it could be a problem in the kernel rather than X? |
| 11:29.30 | nikls | Overand: yes and modem connection too |
| 11:29.31 | drac | I have to buy new network card? |
| 11:29.33 | drac | :/ |
| 11:29.38 | kuja | Coke: Yeah I think so. |
| 11:29.42 | Overand | nikls: what do you get when you type ifconfig -a ? |
| 11:29.50 | gameover | the ram i got now has about 4 bad bits in it |
| 11:29.57 | Overand | how many 'eth*' devices? |
| 11:30.03 | keith_ | kuja:Please just the first step. How. I have xine on screen but won't read the drive. |
| 11:30.15 | drac | One. |
| 11:30.37 | drac | oh |
| 11:30.41 | Coke | kuja: if the kernel hangs it's most likely hardware problems. try playing music without starting X and try to do things in other consoles and see if you can reproduce the error. if so, you have a hardware error in memory, mother board or audio hardware. unless you have another audio card you are left with only memtest. |
| 11:30.45 | gameover | but its at about meg 750 so nothing important should be there |
| 11:30.45 | kuja | keith_: Is it mounted? :P |
| 11:31.00 | kuja | Coke: I played music without X and recompiled my kernel :) |
| 11:31.00 | Coke | jm_: BANNED FOR LIFE I TELL YOU! Muahahah! :) |
| 11:31.04 | kuja | I guess you're right :) |
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| 11:31.07 | nikls | Overand: where do you want me to copy paste it? |
| 11:31.08 | keith_ | kuja:yes |
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| 11:32.26 | Coke | kuja: these things suck unless you own a lot of hardware. if you have a lot of spare parts you can replace each one in sequence until it stops crashing and isolate the correct component like that. if you are like me and have no spare hardware you have a problem. my memory was riddled with errors, but so was the motherboard. i didn't notice until I plugged in the new memory, tested that memory and it was OK. it was a week-long process. |
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| 11:33.09 | kuja | Well, let's say I was able to do all this in Windows okay :P |
| 11:33.24 | kuja | To remedy the problem, is new hardware necessary? |
| 11:33.25 | AlexW | Enable the iptables init.d script? |
| 11:33.36 | AlexW | the installer is asking me |
| 11:33.37 | tobehz | How can I get make-kpkg? |
| 11:33.47 | AlexW | i want to be using iptables so should i? |
| 11:33.50 | docta_v | kuja: your sound card is a pci card? |
| 11:33.57 | kuja | Indeed. |
| 11:34.01 | kuja | I don't think it's a sound problem. |
| 11:34.08 | kuja | At first I did though. |
| 11:34.11 | docta_v | kuja: try moving it to a different slot...could be an IRQ thing |
| 11:34.14 | AlexW | Guerin: Enable the iptables init.d script? |
| 11:34.20 | Overand | nikls just to a msg |
| 11:34.51 | docta_v | and/or update your mobo BIOS |
| 11:34.52 | AlexW | me awaits |
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| 11:37.00 | AlexW | iptables init.d setup is completely opetional and it is not recommended for use. Accept the default value, "No", and the package will not create any iptables inti.d runlevel symlinks and will remove any exsting iptables run level symlinks. |
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| 11:37.03 | AlexW | hrrm |
| 11:37.15 | AlexW | and it is not recommended for use |
| 11:37.19 | AlexW | *wonders* |
| 11:37.54 | AlexW | it cant curropt my hdd or anything |
| 11:37.59 | TheLittleWitch | what is the name for the kernel config/make package ? |
| 11:38.06 | kuja | kpkg? |
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| 11:38.14 | kuja | I think :P |
| 11:38.27 | calyth | what's the easiest way to add a directory in a bootable iso image? |
| 11:38.40 | TheLittleWitch | no, the i think there is a deb package with the most usefull tools for compiling a custom kernel |
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| 11:38.50 | calyth | I couldn't mount -o loop.rw an iso image... |
| 11:38.53 | jm_ | calyth: you have to recreate the image |
| 11:38.53 | Madmax | hello mates |
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| 11:39.18 | calyth | jm_: great..... do you happen to know what options I need to recreate the debian netinstall image? |
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| 11:39.43 | ghent | my /var/lib/dpkg/available is completly corrupted, is there a way to rebuild it ? |
| 11:39.50 | jm_ | ghent: /msg dpkg available |
| 11:40.03 | jm_ | calyth: no, but it shiuld be trivial doing it with mkisofs |
| 11:40.05 | ghent | thx |
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| 11:40.36 | calyth | jm_: guess I'll have to dig around a bit more |
| 11:41.23 | jm_ | calyth: or use isolinux, it makes it even more simple to create bootable Linux CD-s |
| 11:41.32 | nikls | Overand: in private would be better isn't it? |
| 11:41.35 | calyth | hm... ok |
| 11:41.47 | Madmax | mates, i comiled kernel 2.6.10.did modules and instaled em, grub is updated etc. but the system hangs up on boot saying: VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0), Please append a correct "root=" boot option; Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount toot fs on unknown-block(0,0); Can any1 help? |
| 11:42.03 | Madmax | did i forget a ide controller specific module? |
| 11:42.06 | Madmax | what is it? |
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| 11:42.41 | jm_ | Madmax: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 11:43.14 | Overand | nikls: that's what i meant but right now i'm kind of tied up trying to get my thinkpad sound system to initialize in a sane way |
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| 11:46.19 | TheLittleWitch | what Ncurses libraries is used by make menuconfig on linux kernel ? |
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| 11:46.36 | tedboer | Hi, |
| 11:46.38 | jm_ | TheLaw: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 11:46.43 | jm_ | TheLittleWitch ^^^^^^^ |
| 11:46.53 | TheLittleWitch | :D |
| 11:46.55 | tedboer | any vserver experts around? |
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| 11:47.38 | AlexW | where do i report spelling mistakes? like in an installer |
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| 11:47.57 | WorkerII | AlexW : I think its bug. |
| 11:47.58 | AlexW | "Debian Configuration: |
| 11:48.03 | AlexW | yeh ok bug |
| 11:48.04 | WorkerII | AlexW : Documentation bug. |
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| 11:48.18 | WorkerII | !documentation |
| 11:48.19 | dpkg | documentation is, like, RTFM is your biggest friend, find some in /usr/share/doc or HOWTO's at http://www.linuxdoc.org or type "man <command>" for quick info on commands. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." |
| 11:48.25 | AlexW | err? |
| 11:48.36 | WorkerII | hmm |
| 11:48.40 | AlexW | !bugs |
| 11:48.42 | AlexW | !bug |
| 11:48.42 | dpkg | from memory, bug is bad news |
| 11:48.43 | petemc | AlexW: whats the mistake? |
| 11:48.57 | WorkerII | I wonder if there is a special way to report bugs to the documentation .. but I recall where. |
| 11:49.03 | AlexW | ProFTPd.... Eeach choice has its own benfits |
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| 11:49.05 | WorkerII | recall not. |
| 11:49.14 | AlexW | on the Run proftpd from inetd or standalone |
| 11:49.25 | jm_ | that's not installation related |
| 11:49.39 | AlexW | configuration then |
| 11:49.42 | petemc | that would be a proftpd bug then |
| 11:49.51 | AlexW | ahh ok |
| 11:49.55 | amc1 | Is this the new debian installer, or the existing woody installer? |
| 11:50.02 | pzn | tobehz, tested the ppp issue... with 100 connections it works ok, with 130 it hangs a little... maybe the max is 128, or maybe my machine is slow for this... |
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| 11:50.42 | WorkerII | amc1 : Are you sture? |
| 11:50.50 | WorkerII | amc1 : Are you sure? |
| 11:51.19 | petemc | AlexW: ive just installed proftpd and dont see any spelling mistakes |
| 11:51.28 | petemc | AlexW: oops, now i do :) |
| 11:51.30 | amc1 | WorkerII: of what? it was a question to Alexw: is the spelling misteak in the new installer (sarge) or woody? |
| 11:51.33 | AlexW | yeh |
| 11:51.40 | petemc | Eeach |
| 11:51.54 | WorkerII | amc1 : Ahh .. I like steaks .. dunno about misteaks thought. |
| 11:52.12 | AlexW | it isnt the debian installer, its called Debian Configuration |
| 11:52.24 | AlexW | WorkerII: LMAO |
| 11:52.30 | AlexW | mi-steaks |
| 11:52.31 | petemc | AlexW: its the debconf questions for proftpd |
| 11:52.49 | AlexW | yeh |
| 11:52.53 | tobehz | pzn: It might just be cpu or card limitations |
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| 11:52.59 | amc1 | AlexW: ok, so its in the proftpd package, rather than the d-i installer (which runs when you first run the CD), then. |
| 11:53.10 | AlexW | proftpd package |
| 11:53.16 | AlexW | in the config wizard |
| 11:53.21 | petemc | debconf |
| 11:53.44 | amc1 | AlexW: report it as a minor bug against proftpd, then, using 'reportbug'. |
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| 11:54.12 | AlexW | is that a tool |
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| 11:54.26 | AlexW | i didnt have it installed hrrm :P |
| 11:54.40 | amc1 | AlexW: yes, command-line tool; run apt-get install reportbug |
| 11:54.46 | AlexW | done |
| 11:55.03 | amc1 | then 'reportbug proftpd' |
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| 11:55.51 | AlexW | 8) #274414: improvement for debconf template |
| 11:55.54 | AlexW | could that be it |
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| 11:56.28 | AlexW | how do i view a bug |
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| 11:56.45 | amc1 | http://bugs.debian.org/274414 |
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| 11:56.48 | Rawplayer | with vi or less |
| 11:56.55 | Rawplayer | o |
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| 11:57.07 | AlexW | already been reported |
| 11:57.08 | AlexW | :P |
| 11:57.37 | _d4v3_ | Hi Everybody |
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| 11:58.30 | J_P | Is possible pass e2fsck /dev/hda2 without reboot system ? |
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| 11:59.21 | shadebob | hi, |
| 11:59.35 | drac | Anyone knows what modules/drivers this card uses: 0000:00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 05) -- cause e100 and eepro100 both works kinda, but neither works perfectly. Getting damn unknown hardware address type 776 errors and also "SIOCSIFADDR: File exists" |
| 12:00.09 | shadebob | someone known if close a (gnome or kde) session after a time quota is possible? |
| 12:00.25 | jm_ | shadebob: apt-cache show xautolock |
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| 12:01.32 | prad | hi, If I download a deb file, how do I then install it ? |
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| 12:02.24 | petemc | prad: man dpkg |
| 12:02.33 | jm_ | prad: /msg dpkg faq |
| 12:02.59 | prad | thank you |
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| 12:03.43 | Ecu | Man...I probably have another hour or two just for this linux partition to finish initializing. |
| 12:03.47 | dur | I am on a debconf and trying to go back to the shell command? |
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| 12:04.31 | shadebob | jm_ : thanks |
| 12:04.55 | gameover | doh still got mesa opengl renderer |
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| 12:05.13 | gameover | would it be a matter of copying a file over a file like the old opengl32 in quake? |
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| 12:05.29 | gameover | to get riva128 cards to work with glquake |
| 12:05.36 | lancelot | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.39 | lancelot | ! |
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| 12:05.52 | lancelot | is there someone could help me? |
| 12:05.57 | gameover | mabie |
| 12:06.05 | lancelot | i'm searching for a debian repository |
| 12:06.06 | shadebob | jm_ : but autoxlock is for period of inactivity :( |
| 12:06.16 | directhex|work | lancelot, run apt-setup |
| 12:06.19 | gameover | a sapasatory? |
| 12:06.37 | lancelot | an official repository for the sarge dist |
| 12:06.43 | gameover | ahh |
| 12:06.44 | AlexW | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 12:06.48 | gameover | get the sarge installer ISO |
| 12:06.48 | AlexW | hrrm |
| 12:07.00 | gameover | its a compleatly different install prog |
| 12:07.01 | lancelot | an ftpm repository! |
| 12:07.03 | gameover | than wood |
| 12:07.07 | Overand | what could possibly be installing the module for this sound card if it's not in my /etc/modules? |
| 12:07.08 | lancelot | without "m"!:-)) |
| 12:07.18 | AlexW | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 12:07.19 | AlexW | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 12:07.20 | AlexW | any ideas |
| 12:07.25 | jm_ | shadebob: it can run a command if no activity has been detected |
| 12:07.45 | gameover | AlexW study some math it will make you smarter |
| 12:08.00 | AlexW | oh thats right |
| 12:08.02 | gameover | seriously, a year ago i couldnt install debian |
| 12:08.06 | AlexW | i think i need to complie as root |
| 12:08.11 | gameover | and after taking college algebra i could do it |
| 12:08.28 | AlexW | im in the top maths class |
| 12:08.35 | directhex|work | !b-e AlexW |
| 12:08.36 | dpkg | AlexW: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 12:08.43 | AlexW | yuh :P |
| 12:09.42 | shadebob | jm_ : i search a program for a cyber to close session after a quota time. I don't known if freeradius can made this thing? |
| 12:09.43 | Indal | hmm why would a directory need execute permission for all users, to enable everyone to join it, despite there been read and write? |
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| 12:09.55 | Indal | erm chdir into it even |
| 12:10.14 | AlexW | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 12:10.15 | AlexW | err lol |
| 12:10.15 | bbrazil | Indal: it just does |
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| 12:10.38 | Indal | bbrazil: yes but why? |
| 12:10.57 | Indal | i mean whats the point in having read and write, if to read the contents, you need execute? |
| 12:11.00 | bbrazil | Indal: I'd love to know |
| 12:11.33 | Indal | me too :-S |
| 12:11.34 | gameover | no wonder i couldnt get my user account to read my ntfs partition |
| 12:11.56 | jm_ | shadebob: tried syslogout? |
| 12:12.03 | bbrazil | Indal: actaully, doing a quick test on solaris here with a 600 directory, I can do a cat on the directory sucessfully |
| 12:12.14 | Indal | hmm weird |
| 12:12.31 | gameover | bbrazil: solaris 10? |
| 12:12.35 | bbrazil | gameover: 8 |
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| 12:13.41 | eim | Why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing? I'll need it to build the nvidia binary drivers for X 3D support. Any hints? Thanks. |
| 12:14.29 | gameover | does anyone here have DRI working with sarge? |
| 12:14.33 | gameover | ATI |
| 12:15.10 | jm_ | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in sarge? |
| 12:15.11 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jm_ |
| 12:15.14 | tolle | How can I get binded mounted filesystems to be accessable over nfs? |
| 12:15.16 | jm_ | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing? |
| 12:15.16 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:15.21 | WorkerII | jm_: Its in non-free and/or contrib |
| 12:15.41 | tolle | So that I am able to have all the folders I want to be able to access from the other host in one single nfs export. |
| 12:15.53 | eim | WorkerII: Thanks. |
| 12:15.56 | AlexW | configure:1891: checking for C compiler default output |
| 12:15.57 | AlexW | configure:1894: gcc conftest.c >&5 |
| 12:15.57 | AlexW | /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory |
| 12:16.00 | directhex|work | gameover, yes. |
| 12:16.02 | AlexW | lol |
| 12:16.29 | In|Vain | anyone in here know the difference between "sarge" and debian 3? |
| 12:16.32 | gameover | directhex|work any pointers...? i got 2d going, but its using mesa |
| 12:16.35 | WorkerII | eim : Sucks that nvidea don't wanna make it free software, but its hard to blame them given the circumstances. |
| 12:16.42 | scorphus | hello, I know I'm in the wrong channel but you guys here are so many and may have some expereience on this matter. Do you know of an extension to enable mozilla or firefox to run IE-specific JavaScript code? |
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| 12:16.53 | amc1 | sarge is what debian 3.1 will be; about 2 years of changes ... |
| 12:17.06 | tolle | WorkerII: Nvidias drivers atleast works as good as you can expect from a pair of closed source drivers. |
| 12:17.09 | directhex|work | amc1, 3 years. |
| 12:17.15 | In|Vain | amcl: Thanx:) is it in beta now or is it released yet*? |
| 12:17.22 | WorkerII | tolle : Proprietary, yeah. |
| 12:17.24 | directhex|work | WorkerII, nvidia-glx has been pulled from sarge. |
| 12:17.30 | shadebob | jm_ : i will see |
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| 12:18.25 | muppo | pingouin_: are you there? =) |
| 12:18.53 | amc1 | its in beta, and is also known as 'testing'. Try cdimage.debian.org to get the installer, or upgrade your 'woody' (3.0) install by editing apt.sources |
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| 12:19.54 | In|Vain | ok, thanx, amcl: I've never been shure how to alter the apt.sources. I know how to edit the file but what do I replace with? |
| 12:19.55 | WorkerII | directhex|work : pulled ? |
| 12:20.02 | directhex|work | WorkerII, gone. removed. not there. |
| 12:20.11 | WorkerII | directhex|work : Ok .. thats it .. I am going to get ubuntu. |
| 12:20.15 | nokia6000 | when ssh remote login, and run mcedit file.name, how can i exit program? F10 key does not work. |
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| 12:20.20 | directhex|work | WorkerII, it's in sid, not sarge. |
| 12:20.35 | WorkerII | directhex|work : I hate sid .. its broken most of the time :") |
| 12:20.51 | WorkerII | ok ok .. I can get a backport of the package of course. |
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| 12:20.54 | amc1 | In|Vain: look for 'deb' lines with 'stable' or 'woody' in them. Replace with 'sarge'. Then run 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 12:21.03 | WorkerII | and I am already having trouble getting my mplayer .. but |
| 12:21.09 | In|Vain | amcl:) thanx:) |
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| 12:21.27 | shadebob | someone known if freeradius can work with session time quota? |
| 12:21.51 | amc1 | In|Vain: its testing, of course; don't be suprised if stuff breaks, please report bugs :-) |
| 12:22.27 | In|Vain | amcl: I will, I'm still a bit newbie at this, but I'll try as best as I can:) |
| 12:22.36 | Guerin | jcoiron: cheers :) |
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| 12:23.09 | AlexW | yay! |
| 12:23.12 | AlexW | i got the redirection working |
| 12:23.17 | Indal | hmm with a new kernel config, of which the image file is located at /boot/newkernel/arch/i386/boot/bzImage, what about the inird image? |
| 12:23.31 | pharm | WorkerII: mplayer isn't in Debian due to IP issues IIRC. Try the apt repository at: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 12:23.36 | gameover | AlexW you building a firewall? |
| 12:23.37 | sinbad | well how come? |
| 12:23.41 | AlexW | nah |
| 12:23.53 | gameover | AlexW NAT box? |
| 12:23.57 | AlexW | 411 -> 27411 |
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| 12:24.05 | AlexW | its cuz i couldnt run 411 as dchub |
| 12:24.14 | AlexW | so i am forwarding that port |
| 12:24.17 | sinbad | bye |
| 12:24.30 | elnovato | how its posible to increse the 1024*768 virtually on gnome_ |
| 12:24.31 | elnovato | ? |
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| 12:24.46 | sinbad | ?? |
| 12:24.52 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 12:24.52 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 12:24.52 | pharm | elnovato: virtually? |
| 12:25.59 | yalu | rpc.lockd refuses to start. that is I don't get any output but the process does not appear in the process list. |
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| 12:27.26 | Guerin | yalu: what does rpcinfo -p; say? |
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| 12:28.41 | gameover | how would i go about removing mesa drivers |
| 12:28.50 | Araldit | How do I get sound preview to work in nautilus file manager.. When I hover the mouse over the music icon, it should play the song, but nothing happens.. Im using sarge. Is there something I should install to get this working....? |
| 12:28.51 | yalu | Guerin: that portmapper, mountd, status, nfs and sgi_fam are started |
| 12:28.53 | gameover | apt-get remove ??? |
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| 12:30.30 | Guerin | yalu: ps ax |grep lock doesn't yield anything called lockd? |
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| 12:30.57 | Indal | hmm what's vmlinux? |
| 12:31.20 | yalu | Guerin: only mysql processes ;-) |
| 12:31.20 | Guerin | hrm, funky |
| 12:31.21 | WorkerII | Indal : Sounds like a file. |
| 12:31.23 | Guerin | yalu: how did you start it? |
| 12:31.29 | AlexW | Guerin: got it all working :) |
| 12:31.34 | yalu | I have been using this nfs server for ages but it seems soem things have locking problems :) |
| 12:31.35 | Guerin | AlexW: winnah! |
| 12:31.39 | Indal | yeh i know that, is it a virtual kernel image? or what exactly does it do? |
| 12:31.48 | Indal | i can't find info on the net |
| 12:31.54 | AlexW | see without reading manuals or using google i couldnt have done it :P |
| 12:31.58 | pharm | Indal: Probably a kernel image. |
| 12:32.07 | Indal | well bzImage is the kernel image |
| 12:32.15 | WorkerII | Indal : It could be a textfile. |
| 12:32.21 | Indal | lol |
| 12:32.25 | WorkerII | Indal : Try "file vmlinux". |
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| 12:33.10 | yalu | Guerin: /sbin/rpc.lockd, because setting NEED_LOCKD in the nfs-common script didn't seem to work |
| 12:33.17 | Zoap | I have some trouble with alsa. I upgraded it from synaptic but after I got error on startup: Alsa not loaded because alsa-modules missing. Storing mixer: failed and so on.... How do I remove alsa? with synaptic I get error message... |
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| 12:33.59 | Guerin | yalu: hrm, that's what I was going to say next. |
| 12:34.08 | Zoap | anyone know where the channel #alsa is? |
| 12:34.15 | Guerin | yalu: what distro? |
| 12:34.21 | yalu | Debian :) |
| 12:34.25 | Guerin | Zoap: type /j #alsa |
| 12:34.29 | yalu | sarge atually |
| 12:34.33 | Zoap | Guerin: thnx |
| 12:34.41 | Guerin | yalu: upgraded recently? And what does the BTS say? |
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| 12:35.03 | yalu | I'm running apt-listbugs... at least it should hehe |
| 12:35.21 | jhawk | Zoap in synaptic click on alsa then configure from menu under packages |
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| 12:37.23 | Zoap | jhawk: tried that. still doesnt install alsa-modules.. maybe something is f#% up in my os... |
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| 12:37.33 | inki | hi |
| 12:37.40 | Indal | hmm it's just a compressed kernel, so basically i could use bzimage, or the vmlinuz file? |
| 12:37.43 | jhawk | ok sorry |
| 12:37.43 | directhex|work | Zoap, 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:37.54 | inki | how do i make dpkg install all the packages that a .deb is missing? |
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| 12:38.24 | Zoap | directhex|work: 2.4 |
| 12:38.33 | nikls | how can i know what is the wifi card that is integrated in my new laptop ? (what chipset, in order to install drivers) i can't see anything with lspci |
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| 12:39.40 | DeadZed | nikls look for any numbers, specificarions on the bottom of it (maybe inside of it) and google to find a spec sheet |
| 12:39.48 | inki | anyone? |
| 12:39.53 | DeadZed | specifications* |
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| 12:40.35 | Zoap | does apt-get remove work? or is it anything called that at all? |
| 12:40.53 | yalu | Guerin: no bugs for nfs-common in bts according to apt-listbugs |
| 12:40.54 | sanso | inki, apinki: apt-get install <pkgname> |
| 12:41.01 | Guerin | Zoap: of course it works. |
| 12:41.12 | sanso | brb |
| 12:41.27 | inki | it says can't find package |
| 12:41.36 | joey_ | apt-get update |
| 12:41.39 | Zoap | Guerin. So if I were to remove alsa - apt-get remove alsa? does it remove all alsa items then? |
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| 12:41.49 | inki | it's a _file_ |
| 12:41.49 | nikls | DeadZed: the only spec i know about this wifi card is : "Wireless 802.11 b/g LAN Built-in (Included)" |
| 12:42.10 | Guerin | Zoap: you don't get to make up package names and have apt guess what you want to do, sorry. |
| 12:42.17 | sanso | inki, hmm - afaik, dpkg doesn't do dependencies.. |
| 12:42.17 | Guerin | though that would be a nifty patch. |
| 12:42.36 | nikls | could it be that : "lab75-3-82-235-26-179:/home/nikls# lsusb |
| 12:42.36 | nikls | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0457:0162 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp." ? |
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| 12:42.42 | DeadZed | nikls, Ive never installed wifi packages on laptop |
| 12:42.44 | Guerin | !waytts inki |
| 12:42.49 | Guerin | !wayttd inki |
| 12:42.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, inki? |
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| 12:43.06 | inki | i have a local .deb file |
| 12:43.07 | mess | hello |
| 12:43.10 | inki | i want to install that |
| 12:43.22 | yalu | dpkg -i inki |
| 12:43.33 | mess | how can i see how much free space i have on hdd? |
| 12:43.34 | yalu | lol |
| 12:43.41 | yalu | df -h mess |
| 12:43.42 | xelam | mess: df -h |
| 12:43.42 | sanso | mess, df -h |
| 12:43.43 | inki | yalu: do i have to install all the missing packages manually? |
| 12:43.51 | yalu | inki: yes or with apt-get |
| 12:44.02 | inki | but apt-get doesn 'see' the local file |
| 12:44.04 | joey_ | inki, yes, unless you put the package in a repository of your own |
| 12:44.07 | inki | i have a deja vu |
| 12:44.16 | inki | i see |
| 12:44.24 | inki | add to /etc/apt/sources? |
| 12:44.44 | joey_ | yes, but i don't know how much directories/info you need to set up |
| 12:44.51 | mess | thx |
| 12:44.53 | joey_ | i have one: deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main |
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| 12:45.03 | inki | cool |
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| 12:45.44 | joey_ | but it might be easier to resolve the dependencies yourself in this one instance |
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| 12:45.54 | mess | some scripts for seting debian as router where can i finD? |
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| 12:46.12 | joey_ | mess, i last used webmin-shorewall |
| 12:46.17 | inki | joey_, other instances might follow :) |
| 12:46.22 | calyth | is there a way to make ls to recursively display a certain directory without breaking things into directories: ie not like foo: bar bar2, but like ./foo/bar ./foo/bar2 |
| 12:46.36 | Guerin | calyth: use find |
| 12:46.37 | mess | well i will try it |
| 12:46.39 | mess | thx |
| 12:46.42 | gameover | does --force for dpkg work the same as rpm? |
| 12:46.47 | Guerin | or locate |
| 12:46.49 | calyth | Guerin: oh cool |
| 12:46.57 | gameover | in the sence that it will override stuff i want it to |
| 12:47.04 | gameover | overwrite* |
| 12:47.11 | joey_ | sense* |
| 12:47.13 | Guerin | gameover: dpkg --force-help |
| 12:47.16 | sanso | gameover, dpkg --force-help |
| 12:47.18 | mess | why is the command to purge all mysql databases? |
| 12:47.20 | sanso | Guerin, :-) |
| 12:47.23 | mess | *what |
| 12:47.47 | Guerin | dpkg has much finer control than rpm |
| 12:47.47 | dpkg | Guerin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:47.52 | DeadZed | There are 2.6.9 kernel patches in http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/2.6/2.6.9/2.6.9-ck1/patches/ ... how do I use them ..? .. copy into kernel source dir and compile ? |
| 12:47.52 | Guerin | thank goodness |
| 12:48.02 | Guerin | DeadZed: man patch |
| 12:48.07 | DeadZed | :) |
| 12:48.09 | DeadZed | danke |
| 12:48.21 | sanso | mess, ask #mysql |
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| 12:49.52 | inki | joey_: Failed to fetch file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository/dists/apt-build/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz File not found |
| 12:50.13 | joey_ | inki, sorry i guess mine got build for me (don't know how) |
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| 12:51.18 | GWiZZ | hi all, does anyone know if there is a way to set it up so that if the adsl pppoe connection stops working, a dialup modem ppp connection is established, and if the adsl comes back, the modem disconnects? is there a prog or method to do this? |
| 12:51.21 | Overand | what would a hotplugged usb drive usually show up as, as a device (and what's a better way to figure this stuff out in the future than asking) ? |
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| 12:51.43 | Guerin | Overand: dmesg |
| 12:51.46 | Overand | GWiZZ: I know there are dedicated hardware routers that do that, actually |
| 12:51.59 | mess | cisco |
| 12:52.02 | GWiZZ | overand: ah k, but debian cant do that? |
| 12:52.02 | Overand | Guerin: never shows device locations |
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| 12:52.14 | Overand | GWiZZ: it can probably be done, you might need to write your own script to do it. |
| 12:52.23 | Overand | GWiZZ: there are distros that are based around just doing routing equipment |
| 12:52.30 | jm_ | Overand: it shows it in logs, always |
| 12:52.33 | Overand | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.41 | GWiZZ | the problem is that the adsl doesnt disconnect, it just stops working but remains connected |
| 12:52.44 | Overand | oh hell |
| 12:52.52 | Overand | jm_, Guerin, you're right, i'm a tool. |
| 12:52.54 | Overand | heh |
| 12:52.56 | Overand | thanks |
| 12:52.57 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:53.19 | GWiZZ | ok i might look at other distributions if doing it in debian is too hard, or learn to write scripts :) |
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| 12:53.45 | inki | well, how do i build a locat apt repository |
| 12:53.49 | Overand | GWiZZ: if you have a spare 486 and want an easy setup, i'd make a router based on something like smoothwall or freesco |
| 12:53.52 | Guerin | GWiZZ: it shouldn't be too hard to pin, hackishly |
| 12:53.53 | Overand | but i *love* using debian |
| 12:53.56 | Overand | inki: check out apt-rpoxy |
| 12:53.59 | Guerin | err |
| 12:53.59 | Overand | er |
| 12:54.02 | Overand | apt-proxy |
| 12:54.04 | Guerin | s/pin/script/ |
| 12:54.06 | GWiZZ | kk |
| 12:54.14 | Guerin | no clue where that typo came from |
| 12:54.21 | Overand | Guerin: it's been typeo night |
| 12:54.30 | Overand | .. morning now, i suppose |
| 12:54.40 | Guerin | it's always tpyo nihtg for em |
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| 12:55.15 | GWiZZ | is there a method to monitor a ppp link status in a script? would it just be if ping fails then launch x.. repeat every 2 seconds? |
| 12:55.20 | Overand | GWiZZ: i'd just make it ping your DNS server or something |
| 12:55.23 | Guerin | 2 seconds? do it once a minute, for sanity |
| 12:55.29 | directhex|work | GWiZZ, yes, though i'd do it a little less regularly |
| 12:55.31 | GWiZZ | hehe k =) |
| 12:55.36 | Overand | yeah 2 seconds is too frequently |
| 12:55.44 | Overand | i mean 30 seconds would be *ok* |
| 12:55.45 | directhex|work | GWiZZ, we used similar scripts when i was at uni to monitor a connection & reboot the router remotely if needed |
| 12:55.51 | GWiZZ | ahh |
| 12:56.07 | GWiZZ | directhex: how long did it take to set up? |
| 12:56.11 | Overand | YIKES i'm missing a font that WINE wants |
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| 12:56.30 | Overand | fonts are my least favorite thing to deal with, i never know which ones to get |
| 12:56.46 | directhex|work | Overand, all of them! |
| 12:56.48 | mentor | GWiZZ: pppd can send echo-requests and timeout if it doesn't receive a reply... |
| 12:56.53 | Overand | directhex|work: heh |
| 12:56.59 | Guerin | Overand: apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 12:57.00 | Overand | 6 gig hard drive on this laptop, man |
| 12:57.01 | mentor | GWiZZ: Also, it can be told to dial up again if the connection drops. |
| 12:57.07 | Overand | Guerin: are you serious that that's a package? |
| 12:57.09 | Guerin | if you can handle the slavery |
| 12:57.12 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:57.15 | GWiZZ | mentor: ok that sounds good.. ill look into that option |
| 12:57.27 | Guerin | they were released free-as-in-beer once, and they're still available |
| 12:57.33 | Overand | man |
| 12:57.34 | Overand | with fonts |
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| 12:57.43 | Overand | i'm ok with running some -openness |
| 12:57.46 | Overand | non- |
| 12:57.48 | GWiZZ | mentor: im just not sure about the pppoe adsl combined with the dialup ppp in the same pppd program |
| 12:57.55 | resiak | !tell Overand -about enter |
| 12:57.59 | resiak | :) |
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| 12:58.18 | Overand | the best part is the app i'm running under wine is a GPL app, just no decent gtk or qt (or curses) port of it |
| 12:58.30 | Overand | yeah, yeah, resiak, it happens, sorry. |
| 12:58.51 | Overand | Gotta understand, I spend most of my time on EFNet, so... yeha. |
| 12:58.56 | mentor | GWiZZ: Well, I mean 'dialup' is a misnomer ...it tries to establish the connection again if it drops... |
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| 12:59.20 | Overand | oh dear. now it gets interesting 'deforma'... |
| 12:59.23 | mentor | GWiZZ: PPPoE should also be able to force the session to end if things get messy. |
| 12:59.26 | Guerin | widhe |
| 12:59.28 | Overand | er, defoma |
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| 13:00.19 | GWiZZ | mentor: yes. i mean dial-up modem over phone line as a backup dial-up, not dial-up over an adsl line |
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| 13:00.54 | mentor | GWiZZ: OIC. Yes, that's going to be more complicated. |
| 13:00.55 | fmarostica | where find nufw debian package? |
| 13:01.06 | Overand | oh weird, these fonts go out and use wget |
| 13:01.13 | Overand | i've never installed a package as weird as this |
| 13:01.20 | AlexW | heh top is missing the -u command |
| 13:01.25 | AlexW | i must have the wrong version |
| 13:01.34 | Overand | you know, the only MS font I ever REALLY want is 'terminal' |
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| 13:01.41 | GWiZZ | im on a cheap and notoriously unreliable adsl line so i need a redundancy link... thus the dialup modem |
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| 13:03.02 | GWiZZ | ok im off to hone up on some scripting skills .. thanks ppls |
| 13:03.09 | Guerin | fmarostica: is it packaged by debian? If not, google. |
| 13:03.57 | DeadZed | I get error cp: omitting directory `/home/martin/Patches' for cp /Patches /usr/src |
| 13:04.36 | directhex|work | DeadZed, cp -r for folders |
| 13:05.10 | DeadZed | k |
| 13:05.18 | sanso | DeadZed, cp --help |
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| 13:06.11 | joey_ | only the ones i don't want |
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| 13:06.35 | arturaz | in what package standart C docs can be found? |
| 13:07.07 | jethro | someone tell marillat to stop creating halfworking packages and set the right permissions to files in his .diff or stop packaging stuff, better nothing done then shitty work |
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| 13:07.43 | Overand | knop1: #knoppix too |
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| 13:08.58 | Gyll | How do make this work: <script>alert(document.getElementById("myId").titlecolor)</script> <input type="checkbox" id="myId" titlecolor="#ffffff"> |
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| 13:09.12 | directhex|work | how is that a debian question? |
| 13:09.15 | Overand | Gyll: that's more of an HTML question than a debian question |
| 13:09.23 | jethro | Gyll: read some ressourcecs about javascript |
| 13:09.29 | Overand | heh |
| 13:09.29 | directhex|work | more of a javascript question than an HTML question |
| 13:09.34 | Overand | i think he's messaging to the wrong chan |
| 13:09.34 | Gyll | Yeah.. I know but i use debian.. :-) |
| 13:09.36 | Overand | he's in #web too |
| 13:10.00 | directhex|work | Gyll, if people surf the net for kiddie porn on debina, it's stilll not a debian question if they have problems doing it |
| 13:10.10 | Overand | heh |
| 13:10.12 | Guerin | directhex|work: :| |
| 13:10.34 | Overand | WHY DO TEH FBI COM 2 MY HOUZ WHEN I DL KIDD3 PR0N W/DEBiAN |
| 13:10.38 | Gyll | Thank you for pointing that out to me. |
| 13:10.39 | Overand | i thought it was sekure!!!11 |
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| 13:13.20 | AlexW | is there mysql 4 for debian yet in stable |
| 13:13.25 | soccos | I currently have to run alsaconf after boot to get sound in most apps, can anyone help me sort this so that everything's confirgured after I boot? |
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| 13:14.07 | Guerin | !dotdeb |
| 13:14.07 | dpkg | [dotdeb] for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 13:14.39 | valdyn | soccos: add your sound driver to /etc/modules or install a hw autodetect system like hotplug or discover |
| 13:14.47 | Gyll | Okey, a more debian-related question for you: I've intermittent scratching audio corruption with the via driver (kernel 2.4.latest) w/ on-board vt-1616 audio.. |
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| 13:15.09 | valdyn | soccos: actually, forget about hotplug, just try discover |
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| 13:15.57 | soccos | hmm, I already appear to have discover |
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| 13:16.22 | themover78 | hello everybody...can somebody help me?...i want to install php 4.3.9 not 4.3.10 but the only sources I can find are for 4.3.10 |
| 13:16.24 | valdyn | soccos: ok - which apps are you talking about, do they use oss / alsa? |
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| 13:16.39 | Guerin | themover78: you don't want to install 4.3.9 |
| 13:16.45 | AlexW | thanks |
| 13:16.51 | Guerin | themover78: you might think you do, but you don't. |
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| 13:17.01 | AlexW | Guerin: lol |
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| 13:17.08 | SnuS | can anyone here help me with some NAT + gre ? My packets pass the tunnel, get NATed, but when they return, they do not get sent back to the source host. |
| 13:17.09 | Overand | Agreed. |
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| 13:17.14 | AlexW | !dotdeb |
| 13:17.14 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 13:17.15 | soccos | valdyn: gaim and totem principally - I don't know whether they use oss or alsa |
| 13:17.18 | themover78 | Guerin: I want to install 4.3.9 because some pear classes don't work with 4.3.10 |
| 13:17.26 | WorkerII | !tell SnuS about gre |
| 13:17.26 | jethro | SnuS: you'll have hard time nat'ing GRE tunnels |
| 13:17.27 | AlexW | themover78: , go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 13:17.30 | Overand | themover78: so you've got a choice |
| 13:17.36 | Guerin | themover78: 4.3.9 is very, very vulnerable. Don't use it. |
| 13:17.38 | soccos | valdyn: but I assume, asla as they work *after* running alsaconf |
| 13:17.38 | AlexW | read what it says |
| 13:17.40 | Overand | possible remote-root-exploits, or some pear classes broken |
| 13:17.45 | WorkerII | jethro : He obviously don't know what gre is. ;-) |
| 13:17.53 | SnuS | WorkerII I know what GRE is. |
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| 13:17.59 | Overand | I don't. |
| 13:18.00 | Overand | =] |
| 13:18.00 | WorkerII | SnuS : Yeah, but he doesn't. |
| 13:18.04 | SnuS | and my tunnel is properly working. |
| 13:18.09 | Guerin | if he says he'll take his chances, I shall lart him |
| 13:18.11 | jethro | WorkerII: who doesnt? |
| 13:18.21 | WorkerII | jethro : Overand. |
| 13:18.24 | SnuS | jethro why is that ? |
| 13:18.25 | valdyn | soccos: totem at least uses gstreamer - check in applications -> desktop settings -> complex -> multimedia, which output device gstreamer uses and tell me |
| 13:18.38 | jethro | WorkerII: who cares? |
| 13:18.51 | valdyn | soccos: ( thats the path through gnomes menu |
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| 13:18.56 | jethro | SnuS: because it's udp based, stateless, and unsecure by default |
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| 13:19.08 | jethro | SnuS: do you use GRE for VPN ? |
| 13:19.13 | SnuS | I don't care about security - this is not private data. |
| 13:19.15 | WorkerII | jethro : Not sure, maybe Overand ? |
| 13:19.35 | jethro | WorkerII: as I said yesterday better stfu then talk bs |
| 13:19.49 | WorkerII | jethro : Yeah .. sounds wise. |
| 13:19.55 | SnuS | jethro I use gre to get one of my intranet hosts behind a server, to a second servers intranet host. |
| 13:20.04 | soccos | valdyn: in: oss pipeline: osssink |
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| 13:20.14 | soccos | valdyn: out: oss pipeline: osssrc |
| 13:20.15 | AlexW | configure:8615: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.cc -L/usr/lib -lmysqlclient -lz -lcrypt -lnsl -lm >&5 |
| 13:20.15 | AlexW | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz |
| 13:20.21 | AlexW | ld hrrm? |
| 13:20.35 | valdyn | soccos: those 2 apps did not have sound when you don't run alsaconf first? |
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| 13:20.55 | soccos | valdyn: they don't have sound until after I've run alsaconf |
| 13:20.59 | Overand | AlexW: what're you trying to do? |
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| 13:21.07 | jethro | SnuS: hold on a sec, I need to think a bit :) |
| 13:21.10 | AlexW | configure LOL |
| 13:21.10 | SnuS | hmm - I probably can do this without GRE - but I don't know how |
| 13:21.14 | SnuS | can I /msg ? |
| 13:21.19 | Guerin | wtf |
| 13:21.20 | jethro | SnuS: no /msg please |
| 13:21.25 | Overand | AlexW: just trying to remember what you were trying to configure from before |
| 13:21.30 | jethro | SnuS: you can try ipsec tho, or some ssl based tunnels |
| 13:21.32 | valdyn | soccos: ok, exactly. Before i tell you waht to do.. Which apps have working sound w/o running alsaconf? |
| 13:21.46 | jethro | SnuS: ssl is easier to setup, ipsec is more robust and more flexible |
| 13:22.00 | SnuS | well - the tunnel isnt the problem |
| 13:22.02 | SnuS | the routing is |
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| 13:22.04 | SnuS | IMHO |
| 13:22.15 | SnuS | the packets get sent, they get to the destination |
| 13:22.17 | soccos | valdyn: just the gnome desktop afaics |
| 13:22.28 | SnuS | but when they get back, they do not get sent back to the tunnel |
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| 13:22.32 | jethro | SnuS: can you do network to network tunnels ? |
| 13:22.40 | SnuS | jethro it is a network to network tunnel |
| 13:22.42 | jethro | using the gateways as endpoints for the VPN |
| 13:22.44 | jethro | ok |
| 13:22.46 | soccos | valdyn: for eaxample, real player also only gets sound after alsaconf |
| 13:22.52 | AlexW | Overand: got it :p |
| 13:22.55 | jethro | so just setup some ipsec vpn using racoon or an equivalent |
| 13:22.59 | AlexW | google is my friend |
| 13:23.02 | jethro | STAY OFF THE FREESWAN WAY |
| 13:23.07 | jethro | that's all I would say |
| 13:23.07 | arvind_ | anyone managed to get AA of on a specific font and size? |
| 13:23.13 | arvind_ | anyone managed to get AA off on a specific font and size? |
| 13:23.13 | SnuS | that isnt my problem. |
| 13:23.21 | see | hey, i want to install debian on a laptop but the installation screen is like too big so it doesnt fit the screen (the screen can do 1024*768) how do i remedy that? any bootprompt-flags for the video? |
| 13:23.22 | SnuS | I'll have the same problem with any ipsec implementation. |
| 13:23.24 | jethro | SnuS: then allow 500/udp, and esp |
| 13:23.39 | jethro | SnuS: not if you know which flows are involved and allow them at teh firewall level |
| 13:23.40 | Overand | see, is it using framebuffer console or textmode console? |
| 13:23.42 | see | the lowerpart is "under the screen" |
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| 13:23.58 | kristoffer | uhm, im confused, i have followed this guide on upgrading the debian kernel, and now im stuck at opening the lilo.conf following this guide http://www.linuxhelp.ca/guides/kernel/ , i think im using grub as the boot loader, but anyway, i cant find either grub.conf og lilo.conf , i have a grub folder in /boot but there is no .conf file |
| 13:23.59 | SnuS | I probably need to setup something like an ipsec road warrior behind the gre tunnel. |
| 13:24.03 | valdyn | soccos: gnomes desktop uses esd. If esd is running, then all other sound output methods may be blocked. Alsaconf incidentally kills esd. So after you run it sound "works", but it is supposedly off for the gnome desktop then. |
| 13:24.04 | see | over hmm i dunno, how do i tell? |
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| 13:24.12 | kristoffer | what to do, heh, its my first time upgrading the kernel, yes |
| 13:24.17 | jethro | SnuS: don't use GRE really |
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| 13:24.26 | see | its the default debian installerview |
| 13:24.28 | valdyn | soccos: can you verify that? |
| 13:24.29 | jethro | SnuS: only windows would do this for their pptp shit |
| 13:24.31 | cahoot | kristoffer: look for menu.lst |
| 13:24.48 | kristoffer | ah yes, i have that file |
| 13:24.53 | SnuS | i'll think about it - right now I feel like trying something out - brb |
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| 13:25.01 | jethro | heh g'luck then |
| 13:25.03 | Araldit | I want to mount a windows drive with samba.. But doesn't have the smbmount command... Doesn't it exits in debian sarge |
| 13:25.05 | kristoffer | is that the file that the site is reffering to then |
| 13:25.20 | directhex|work | Araldit, apt-get install smbfs |
| 13:25.29 | soccos | valdyn: yes, killing esd fixed things |
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| 13:25.34 | cahoot | kristoffer: it's the 'config' file for grub |
| 13:25.36 | Araldit | k |
| 13:25.45 | kristoffer | oki, thx |
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| 13:26.06 | valdyn | soccos: ok, there's 2 easy solutions then: deactive gnome desktop sound is the first. Make all sound apps you need use esd is the second. |
| 13:26.07 | soccos | valdyn: so is there any way to have the 2 things working at the same time? |
| 13:26.24 | valdyn | soccos: gstreamer does support esd |
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| 13:26.38 | valdyn | soccos: chose the esdsink for output |
| 13:27.27 | soccos | valdyn: and restart esd |
| 13:27.28 | see | overand i suppose i should use some bootparameter like: video=something any idea? |
| 13:27.34 | valdyn | soccos: i have no idea though if real player can use esd. So you may still have to kill esd to use realplayer |
| 13:27.50 | Overand | see: unfortunately, i don't, sorry |
| 13:27.56 | valdyn | soccos: yea, just type "esd" in a console does it for now |
| 13:28.08 | see | overand thanks anyway ill try video=vga or something |
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| 13:28.54 | jethro | SnuS: |
| 13:28.59 | jethro | SnuS: 2) have you extended the iptables with the 'patchomatic' to include |
| 13:29.00 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.02 | soccos | valdyn: totem didn't seem to work with output set to custom/esdsink |
| 13:29.34 | takatumi | see: is this during the installation or after? |
| 13:29.55 | valdyn | soccos: oh, you may be using totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer |
| 13:29.58 | soccos | valdyn: i can live wo desktop sounds, how do I disable them |
| 13:30.22 | soccos | valdyn: incidentally, what is gstreamer, my help button is broken! |
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| 13:30.27 | see | taka during |
| 13:30.28 | AlexW | scooby doobie doo! |
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| 13:30.41 | rick-- | hi.. how do i reset my mysql root pass? |
| 13:30.46 | see | so like cfdisk etc the whole lower part is gone so its really hard to partition |
| 13:30.49 | rick-- | i installed via apt-get |
| 13:30.55 | AlexW | rick--- :P reinstall mysql |
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| 13:31.04 | AlexW | rick--* |
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| 13:31.21 | AlexW | rick--: i think thats how u do it |
| 13:31.25 | rick-- | common |
| 13:31.36 | AlexW | i dunno :P, but id backup ur db first |
| 13:31.40 | valdyn | soccos: gstreamer is a media playback and recording framework. Look at their homepage, they best explain it themeselves |
| 13:31.52 | soccos | valdyn: uncheck 'Enable sound server startup'? |
| 13:31.59 | valdyn | soccos: yea, correct |
| 13:31.59 | resiak | soccos: Yes. |
| 13:32.00 | soccos | valdyn: to stop esd |
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| 13:32.29 | soccos | valdyn: ok, thanks for your help, vast improvement over stopping esd with alsaconf ;-) |
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| 13:32.36 | valdyn | soccos: thats the better solution imo, esd sucks no matter what |
| 13:32.43 | Guerin | word |
| 13:32.50 | Overand | electrostatic discharge |
| 13:34.30 | takatumi | see: is this sarge or woody? try the function keys to see if any video settings are listed. |
| 13:35.07 | soccos | esd == extremely strange diet |
| 13:35.24 | directhex|work | !esd |
| 13:35.24 | dpkg | methinks esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 13:35.47 | soccos | that too |
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| 13:36.59 | see | its woody ill try function keys |
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| 13:38.02 | see | taka i found this http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/ch05s02.html how do i give the DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text parameter just linux DEBIAN... on the prompt does not work |
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| 13:39.02 | takatumi | see: is it a ppc? |
| 13:40.08 | see | taka nope |
| 13:40.11 | see | x86 |
| 13:40.47 | takatumi | see: maybe just try sarge instead. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 13:40.55 | see | is ubuntu a viable alternative you think? |
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| 13:41.14 | ekaf | hey does anyone know if debian uses xfree86 or x.org for windows? |
| 13:41.22 | caphuso | ekaf: xfree86 |
| 13:41.36 | ekaf | thx :) |
| 13:41.46 | ekaf | dony spose yuou know what fc3 uses? |
| 13:42.08 | vulture | ekaf: #fedora might |
| 13:42.29 | caphuso | they probably have a website with that information somewhere |
| 13:42.35 | ekaf | thx |
| 13:42.39 | mess | can u recomend me some rrd tools? |
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| 13:42.48 | ekaf | yeh ive been googlin for about half an hour |
| 13:42.56 | MobyTurbo | ekaf: although Debian uses xfree86 4.3, it has patches from both xorg and xf86 4.4. After Sarge is released, Debian is planned to eventually migrate to xorg. |
| 13:43.24 | resiak | MobyTurbo: I think you're wrong about 4.4 -- isn't the whole point that its license is not free enough? |
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| 13:43.35 | see | the problem: Generally only the newt frontend is available on default install media, so this is not very useful right now. |
| 13:43.51 | zakame | hello |
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| 13:44.03 | MobyTurbo | resiak: that's a good question. I'm just repeating what I read. |
| 13:44.11 | Guerin | certain parts of the code in 4.4 predate the license |
| 13:44.13 | zakame | hi SlayerXP |
| 13:44.14 | resiak | Ah. |
| 13:44.16 | caphuso | ekaf: funny. i found it in less than 30 seconds |
| 13:44.27 | Guerin | I think what the xsf did is go through that way. |
| 13:44.31 | jethro | caphuso: it means you have google skills, or a brain |
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| 13:45.08 | caphuso | it doesn't take too much of either to google for "fedora x server" |
| 13:45.27 | Overand | heh, if you can get on IRC you should be able to figure out how to use google |
| 13:45.29 | Guerin | nope |
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| 13:46.00 | jethro | caphuso: indeed, but it looks like it's waaaaaay too much for many users here, as per the amount of "I ve been googling for hours" which get answers like yours :) |
| 13:46.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:46.27 | SnuS | Why does not this work ? I can ping 212.54.107.115 and get an answer. ip route add 0/0 via 212.54.107.115 dev eth2 table new | RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable |
| 13:46.28 | Guerin | I don't know how people think they can get away with it... |
| 13:46.44 | jethro | SnuS: you need routing lessons |
| 13:47.07 | takatumi | see: woody was released over 2 years ago, if it's a relatively new laptop, you'll have a much greater chance of success with sarge. |
| 13:47.09 | jethro | you can only route though nodes on your segment |
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| 13:47.27 | SnuS | jethro any way I can trick it into routing through that ? |
| 13:47.50 | jethro | why would you do this? |
| 13:47.54 | Guerin | turn the sign around |
| 13:47.57 | Guerin | you know |
| 13:48.07 | Guerin | the one the little packets use to decide which wire to go down |
| 13:48.10 | SnuS | jethro I want all the packets to pass through that gateway, having it as a source address (.115) |
| 13:48.23 | jethro | !confuse SnuS |
| 13:48.24 | dpkg | No, those are their ferret yesterday, SnuS? trousers of the democracy of swaziland with extra ham |
| 13:48.33 | Lin | last linc |
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| 13:49.33 | jethro | SnuS: that has to be done with the tunneling software you choosed I d say, if it's still related to your earlier programm |
| 13:49.42 | jethro | s/programm/problem |
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| 13:50.45 | Mo666 | is there a backlog for applied updates? |
| 13:50.48 | Mo666 | ...using apt |
| 13:50.58 | Overand | how do you change what's displayed when you logon? |
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| 13:51.00 | Guerin | Mo666: eh? |
| 13:51.12 | Guerin | Overand: edit /etc/motd and /etc/issue? |
| 13:51.14 | zakame | Mo666: archive.debian.net |
| 13:51.18 | Mo666 | Guerin, i need to make a lost of packages i updated recently |
| 13:51.19 | zakame | org .org, i think |
| 13:51.26 | Mo666 | s/lost/list |
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| 13:51.39 | Overand | Guerin: thanks |
| 13:51.46 | Guerin | Mo666: did you install them using aptitude? |
| 13:51.48 | Overand | i found motd but didn't know about issue |
| 13:51.52 | Mo666 | yes |
| 13:52.07 | Overand | how can you get them to run something ala fortune? |
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| 13:52.21 | Guerin | Mo666: aptitude keeps logs. You're in luck. |
| 13:52.23 | Overand | just treat them as a script, #!/bin/sh etc etc? |
| 13:52.24 | jethro | Overand: man .profile or man .bashrc |
| 13:52.31 | Guerin | Overand: no idea |
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| 13:52.38 | jethro | Overand: or man cron |
| 13:52.44 | SnuS | jethro how would I do it ? |
| 13:53.06 | jethro | SnuS: how would I know since I don't know what you choosed to implement vpn |
| 13:53.06 | Overand | ah cron good idea |
| 13:53.09 | Mo666 | ok, thanks Guerin |
| 13:53.21 | jethro | SnuS: get clues on tunneling protocols and how to deploy/implement them |
| 13:53.33 | Guerin | !hornyclue |
| 13:53.34 | dpkg | Some people couldn't get a clue if they smeared their body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance while sounding the clue mating call in a field full of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 13:53.37 | SnuS | jethro I did not choose anything. how about ipip or gre ? they are easiest to setup. |
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| 13:53.57 | takatumi | with a clue up the ass. |
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| 13:54.07 | jethro | SnuS: how can you say easiest, did you try anything else? |
| 13:54.40 | jethro | SnuS: you obviously don't know much about GRE, PPTP and the underlyings |
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| 13:55.03 | SnuS | jethro yes. I have previously used ipsec, and I still use it for some different matters. |
| 13:55.20 | psycose | i wonder why /var/lib/mozilla-firefox/ do not have a chrome.d folder and /var/lib/mozilla/ have one ... any idea ? thanks |
| 13:55.30 | jethro | SnuS: how did you "do ipsec"? which implementation have you been running? |
| 13:55.39 | SnuS | openswan |
| 13:55.57 | Overand | that project died =/ |
| 13:55.58 | AlexW | how do i set mysql root password |
| 13:56.02 | zirikili | does anyone using openwebmail on debian? |
| 13:56.28 | SlayerXP | AlexW: you type '/part #debian; /join #mysql' |
| 13:56.36 | AlexW | lol |
| 13:56.47 | SnuS | Overand I am not aware of that. |
| 13:56.54 | SnuS | ip rule add from 192.168.231.2 table new |
| 13:56.55 | SnuS | grr |
| 13:57.13 | joey_ | zirikili, I run it for others |
| 13:57.30 | jethro | Overand: 2005-01-25 Xelerance has released Openswan 1.0.9. You can download it by http or ftp. This version adds support for RFC 3947 - NAT-T, and a security for XAUTH (note: XAUTH is disabled by default) |
| 13:57.33 | SnuS | their latest release is on 25 January 2005. I can't call that dead. |
| 13:57.38 | jethro | Overand: kind of cutting edge news for a dying project |
| 13:57.45 | Overand | damnit |
| 13:57.54 | Overand | some PPTP project was shutting down |
| 13:57.59 | Overand | i thought it was openswan |
| 13:58.17 | jethro | I like when people talk about things then don't know jack shit about |
| 13:58.17 | jethro | Overand: openswan aint pptp |
| 13:58.23 | jethro | openswan is ipsec implementation |
| 13:58.24 | Overand | jethro: lay off, at least when i make a mistake i admit it |
| 13:58.32 | jethro | Overand: yeah good point |
| 13:58.42 | Overand | i freely admit that i don't know very much about pptp or ipsec |
| 13:58.50 | jethro | :) |
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| 13:59.06 | website | how can i say to my pc that all the written words in bootup process should be written in /etc/tty1 and not /dev/console? |
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| 13:59.11 | Overand | but i *can* handle editing my own damned configuration files, and run an SSH tunnel so I don't irc from, say, work. |
| 13:59.19 | SnuS | jethro so you say I should try setting up an ipsec implementation? |
| 13:59.21 | jethro | Overand: heh |
| 13:59.30 | Active2 | freeswan was shutting down i thought |
| 13:59.56 | shadebob | someone use diskless station here? |
| 14:00.00 | Malkie^ | Someone can help me setting a vacation message with qmail+vpopmail+... ? I cannot find enough documentation, and the most I was able to do was the server losing all messages ppl sent to this account... |
| 14:00.06 | Overand | yeah |
| 14:00.11 | Overand | it's freeswan that closed its doors |
| 14:00.13 | Overand | not openswan |
| 14:00.21 | jethro | SnuS: because you wouldn't have to deal with different protocols as it's the case for pptp (it uses udp and tcp), nor would you have to care about connexion tracking |
| 14:00.23 | Active2 | Malkie^: qmailadmin can do it isn't it ? |
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| 14:00.42 | jethro | SnuS: ipsec has a nat-t feature that would make it in your case wouldn't it? |
| 14:00.44 | djarrell | I am having a problem with xfree on a dell computer. I have an ati rage 128 video card, but I cannot get the screen resolution past 1024x768. When configuring, the only driver that works is vesa. Am I missing something |
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| 14:00.57 | jethro | djarrell: try ati |
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| 14:01.02 | Skaag | Why do I get this: Stopping NFS common utilities: statd/etc/init.d/nfs-common: line 77: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 14:01.35 | Malkie^ | Active2: Do you swear? :) I cannot believe it! I've spent some hours here... I'll check it out |
| 14:01.35 | djarrell | jethro: when I try the ati driver, I get a fatal error no screens found message. That is why I am stumpped |
| 14:01.53 | kristoffe | okey, i fucked up my kernel upgrade (first time doing it) and now i get kernel panic, anyone have a up-to-date guide on upgrading/compiling new kernel on debian please? |
| 14:01.56 | jethro | djarrell: then fix your XF86Config |
| 14:02.00 | xoz | Skaag: are you using or have you installed nfs server? |
| 14:02.00 | Overand | kristoffe: what |
| 14:02.03 | jethro | djarrell: ask dpkg about screen not found |
| 14:02.05 | Overand | kristoffe: what's the panic? |
| 14:02.12 | Active2 | Malkie^: the last time i worked with qmail was a few months ago... i'm now switched to a postfix setup ;) |
| 14:02.22 | jethro | I don't recall the exact factoid, if anyone does, he shall feel free to let us know |
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| 14:02.59 | SnuS | jethro ok - i'll get a tunnel up and we will talk after that |
| 14:03.13 | Skaag | xoz: sorry i'm an idiot - I wasn't root |
| 14:03.18 | kristoffe | kernel-panic not syncing: attempted to kill init, Overand |
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| 14:03.52 | kristoffe | im just gonna reinstall debian, but then i would like the most up to date/good guide there is on uograding the kernel |
| 14:04.01 | kristoffe | so i dont make the same misstake again |
| 14:04.04 | djarrell | jethro can you po int me to a resource on that, as far as I can tell my XF86Config file is correct. |
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| 14:04.17 | SlayerXP | kristoffe: why not just boot your old kernel? |
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| 14:04.43 | Malkie^ | Active2: Well, qmailadmin doesn't seem to help much here... :( |
| 14:04.52 | Mopatop | hey, quick question, if i want to move an installation between harddrives, will sudo cp -a do? |
| 14:04.55 | jethro | djarrell: not on top of my head, wait until someone pops up with the right factoid for dpkg |
| 14:05.06 | SlayerXP | Mopatop: no |
| 14:05.11 | kristoffe | because i dont know how to, i thought i made a rescue floppy, but i failed at that too |
| 14:05.18 | Mopatop | SlayerXP, what needs to be done? |
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| 14:05.34 | FieldySnuts | Mopatop: i'd recommend rsync -avD --progress source destination , rsync is a lot more careful about keeping perms right, handling device files, symlinks, etc |
| 14:05.35 | SlayerXP | Mopatop: you can do it with tar |
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| 14:06.10 | Mopatop | SlayerXP, FieldySnuts, I think tar might be the option then, as I want to move it to an intermediary location |
| 14:06.21 | joey_ | So is cp -a in need of improvement / incorrectly documented...? It worked for me. |
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| 14:06.31 | Mopatop | thanks guys |
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| 14:06.58 | FieldySnuts | tar can get it wrong |
| 14:07.00 | FieldySnuts | oh well too late, he'll laern |
| 14:07.01 | redloff | hi, what should I to do enable extra buttons(poweroff sleep wakeup) on my keyboard(tracer), if my model isn't listed in /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86.lst? |
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| 14:07.26 | redloff | and xev does not capture anything when I press either of them |
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| 14:08.47 | npx | shit, 6mb in 7s =D |
| 14:08.49 | mentor | radius: I was under the impression that the BIOS and ACPI bits on the motherboard handled that... |
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| 14:09.04 | domme | hello |
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| 14:09.12 | fooz | mentor, nope |
| 14:09.21 | downpour | you guys have a amd64 port right? |
| 14:09.24 | redloff | maybe there is some generic model of 'multimedia' keyboard that can be loaded in XF86Config-4? |
| 14:09.30 | mentor | Well, there you go. |
| 14:09.31 | fooz | redloff, go to a console and run 'showkey' and see if it shows them |
| 14:09.51 | domme | how can i convert ogg-files to mp3s? |
| 14:10.03 | fooz | domme, decode them to WAV, reencode as an mp3 |
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| 14:10.22 | delhrno | hi all |
| 14:10.24 | delhrno | please, need some help... |
| 14:10.30 | domme | hmm.. can i somehow save the id3tags? :\ |
| 14:10.38 | redloff | fooz, no it does not :< |
| 14:10.40 | fooz | domme, probably not |
| 14:10.44 | domme | :( |
| 14:10.50 | fooz | redloff, is it USB or PS/2? |
| 14:10.54 | redloff | ps/2 |
| 14:11.03 | delhrno | when i try to run xinit with a non-root user it does not work. It only appears the x-window screen without the small box to input commands. |
| 14:11.07 | Active2 | Malkie^: hmm.. i thought it was there... |
| 14:11.10 | delhrno | any ideas? |
| 14:11.12 | fooz | redloff, hmm. it may need a software driver to initialise it. i have no idea |
| 14:11.21 | Active2 | Malkie^: try asking #qmail |
| 14:11.40 | mentor | delhrno: Did you tell Xinit to actually start an X client? |
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| 14:11.51 | delhrno | mentor : yea |
| 14:12.00 | fooz | delhrno, try startx instead |
| 14:12.03 | mentor | delhrno: Where? Which one? |
| 14:12.07 | delhrno | gnome |
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| 14:12.17 | redloff | fooz, so the proper "XkbModel" wouldn't help you think ? |
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| 14:12.26 | mentor | delhrno: Where did you tell it to start GNOEM? |
| 14:12.30 | delhrno | startx works same way except for root that gets gnome loaded |
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| 14:12.31 | fooz | redloff, i doubt it, seeing as how the kernel itself can't read from it |
| 14:12.38 | Malkie^ | Active2: I'm doing it already :) |
| 14:12.40 | Malkie^ | Active2: Thanks! |
| 14:12.41 | joey_ | echo "gnome-session" > ~/.xinitrc ; startk |
| 14:12.52 | joey_ | s/startk/startx/ |
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| 14:13.15 | redloff | fooz, ok thx |
| 14:13.25 | ScatterBrain | Is there a way to make new files created in a folder owned by a specific group without having to do the chgrp or chown commands everytime? |
| 14:13.41 | delhrno | mentor: .xsession That's not the problem. If u try xinit, it appears a white box with a shell. I cant get it. |
| 14:14.06 | valdyn | redloff: X doesnt "do" acpi / apm functions so theres no point in setting xkb even if you could |
| 14:14.08 | ScatterBrain | I'm thinking about the files for a website where I'll have multiple users working on them. |
| 14:14.11 | mentor | delhrno: .xsession is in ~/ which is per user... |
| 14:14.14 | timo | how can one bind the caps-lock key to control in console? |
| 14:14.25 | mentor | delhrno: xinit loads whatever you tell it to load... |
| 14:14.50 | delhrno | mentor: without .xsession in the home it worked too, but i've there too |
| 14:14.54 | valdyn | redloff: but theres a alot of specific tools / daemons to handle those keys |
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| 14:15.12 | delhrno | the problem is not with the xclient |
| 14:15.17 | Krisso | yeppa |
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| 14:15.31 | mentor | delhrno: Hmnm, ok. Unfortunately I've got to go now...try talking to fooz? |
| 14:15.32 | Krisso | online with my new debian system.. thats what i call smooth |
| 14:15.37 | Krisso | :) |
| 14:15.38 | redloff | valdyn, so what should I do? |
| 14:15.38 | mentor | or anyone else... |
| 14:15.41 | mentor | !win Krisso |
| 14:15.41 | lancelot | good afternoon |
| 14:15.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, Krisso! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:15.48 | lancelot | i need some help |
| 14:15.48 | delhrno | mentor: ok, thx |
| 14:15.49 | mentor | :p |
| 14:15.51 | Sag1 | I want to install Debian on a laptop that does not boot via CDROM. I tried using a floppy install but still no luck. I couldn't find a boot disk either via google? Any help? |
| 14:15.54 | Krisso | mentor, lol! |
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| 14:16.35 | valdyn | redloff: do you use a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 14:16.48 | redloff | valdyn, yes, 2.6.10 |
| 14:16.51 | valdyn | redloff: whats your preferred desktop environment? |
| 14:16.55 | lancelot | i need the debian repository that are contained in the knoppi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:16.55 | xoz | timo: xmodmap |
| 14:16.56 | redloff | kde |
| 14:17.01 | lancelot | someone can help me? |
| 14:17.25 | timo | xoz, in console |
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| 14:18.10 | joey_ | lancelot, try #knoppix |
| 14:18.18 | valdyn | redloff: ok, hitting you special keys should print stuff to your console if you "cat /dev/input/eventX". Replace X with a number, look into /dev/input/ |
| 14:18.27 | xoz | timo: man keymaps |
| 14:18.47 | downpour | is there a debian port for amd64? |
| 14:19.00 | lancelot | ok,thanks joey |
| 14:19.01 | p2-mate | downpour: yes |
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| 14:19.14 | Xenguy | <blink>kill BX</blink> |
| 14:19.19 | timo | xoz, ah, thank you |
| 14:19.22 | xoz | Sag1: do you have pci network in the machine? |
| 14:19.35 | valdyn | redloff: gnome has his own tool for some stuff, then theres generic daemons ( "apt-cache search hotkey" ). Pretty sure KDE has a tool integrated too, i dont know it though. Then theres daemon for ibm thinkpads.. |
| 14:19.43 | downpour | p2-mate: thanks |
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| 14:20.07 | xoz | Sag1: get a bootdisk that can access ftp server or nfs server... ftp or nfs booting |
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| 14:20.33 | downpour | amd64 == ia64? |
| 14:20.39 | Sag1 | xoz: will have to come back in a few minutes as I have a telephone engineer in (he arrived early!) Yes I do but it did not work |
| 14:20.46 | lool_n | Ãîâîðÿùèå íà ðóññêîì òóò åñòü? |
| 14:20.58 | redloff | valdyn, it says: cat: event0: No such device... and it's for event{0,1,2,3} |
| 14:20.59 | abrotman | downpour: not even close |
| 14:21.07 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 14:21.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ia64 is the new Intel Architeture which seems pretty cool. or ages behind rs64-II already. |
| 14:21.09 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 14:21.09 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 14:21.19 | lool_n | Ãîâîðÿùèå íà ðóññêîì òóò åñòü? |
| 14:21.20 | lool_n | Ãîâîðÿùèå íà ðóññêîì òóò åñòü? |
| 14:21.23 | downpour | thanks |
| 14:21.24 | redloff | valdyn, but even xev does not show anything, you think some hotkey apps would? |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | lool_n: go away |
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| 14:21.54 | abrotman | lool_n: we only speak english here |
| 14:21.54 | zirikili | /exit |
| 14:22.00 | xoz | Sag1: you can always try redhat or mandrake bootdisk... also aside from debian bootdisk... then install debian later. |
| 14:22.13 | fooz | redloff, what kernel? |
| 14:22.21 | redloff | fooz, 2.6.10 |
| 14:22.31 | fooz | hmm |
| 14:23.00 | valdyn | redloff: yea, i tried, you're right, xev should spawn something. for any key pressed |
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| 14:23.09 | fooz | redloff, sorry, i have no suggestions really.. maybe try googling for info on the keyboard or generic button drivers |
| 14:23.16 | redloff | valdyn, that's what I worry about :< |
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| 14:23.50 | Overand | off the top of your head about how big is the 2.4.27 kernel source (decompressed) |
| 14:24.00 | WorkerII | Logi : Hmm .. binary "lob" and charactar "lob"? (Now you can ask if I want a cookie). |
| 14:24.07 | redloff | fooz, valdyn, so putting the right model in X config file should help? |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | Overand: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.4.27-2 |
| 14:24.13 | valdyn | redloff: this should be unrelated to xkb |
| 14:24.19 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.27 sarge |
| 14:24.28 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-2 sarge |
| 14:24.31 | redloff | oh |
| 14:24.31 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-1 sarge |
| 14:24.34 | abrotman | mother f'er |
| 14:24.39 | Overand | i thought it was up to like -6 or something |
| 14:24.41 | Overand | oh well whatever |
| 14:24.44 | Overand | don't worry about it |
| 14:24.49 | humbolt | Is there a way to make hotplug remember the modules loaded the last bootup? it does not make much sence to check for all modules on every boot, since the hardware hardly ever changes! |
| 14:24.50 | fooz | redloff, i doubt it |
| 14:24.50 | abrotman | Overand: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 14:24.53 | Overand | i'm sure this p2-400 will finish extracting it eventually |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | Overand: then apt-cache show the one you want |
| 14:25.02 | Overand | good idea |
| 14:25.03 | Overand | thanks |
| 14:25.07 | xoz | humbolt: place them in /etc/modules |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | !info kernel-source-2.4.27 sarge |
| 14:25.19 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.4.27: (Linux kernel source for version 2.4.27 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 30320 kB, Installed size: 30448 kB |
| 14:25.21 | humbolt | and is there a way to make debian kernel image preemtible? |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | ha! |
| 14:25.24 | abrotman | found it |
| 14:25.34 | valdyn | redloff: whats in your /dev/input and actually has a device behind it? |
| 14:25.36 | abrotman | humbolt: i think it is by default .. and it's not that big of a gain/loss anyways |
| 14:25.50 | humbolt | xoz: well if I do, that does not prevent hotplug from trying to load each and every module! |
| 14:25.51 | Overand | that's the compressed size still. |
| 14:26.32 | abrotman | Overand: i guess it is ... |
| 14:26.34 | Overand | it's not a big deal, it'll finish decompressing some time this month i'm sure |
| 14:26.37 | abrotman | Overand: it's big :) |
| 14:26.57 | redloff | valdyn, they are all character devices: event{0,1,2,3} js{0,1,2,3} mouse{0,1,2,3} and mice :) |
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| 14:27.24 | humbolt | hotplug should discover hardware once and store that somewhere. and further on only react on hotplug events and on user calls |
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| 14:27.47 | Overand | heh |
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| 14:27.53 | Overand | PitchForkLinux: DON'T IRC AS ROOT |
| 14:27.59 | Overand | PitchForkLinux: also, don't do *anything* as root |
| 14:28.06 | xoz | humbolt: flame the upstream developer |
| 14:28.12 | valdyn | redloff: yep, i mean, /dev/input/event0 should not give an error when you cat it. Is there any eventX at all that gives no error? |
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| 14:28.46 | redloff | valdyn, no it isn't... they all return errors :/ |
| 14:29.04 | valdyn | redloff: and you're using a custom / self compiled kernel? |
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| 14:29.40 | SnuS | jethro for some weird reason, one of the gateways wont put up ipsec0 |
| 14:29.40 | redloff | valdyn, yes I do |
| 14:29.49 | valdyn | redloff: thats your problem then |
| 14:29.59 | redloff | I compiled it myself with my bare hands |
| 14:30.11 | redloff | should I put something in the kernel? |
| 14:30.17 | valdyn | redloff: unfortunatly i dont know atm, which option you missed to switch on |
| 14:30.37 | redloff | ok, I'll try everything :> |
| 14:30.57 | jethro | SnuS: I can't help much with that lil'info |
| 14:31.04 | redloff | everything that has any connection to atm :E |
| 14:31.09 | SnuS | Jan 26 16:29:02 switch pluto[6696]: "gds-to-buc" #11: IPsec SA established {ESP=>0x51f1ff2f <0xd39d0daa} |
| 14:31.10 | redloff | sould it help valdyn ? |
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| 14:31.29 | redloff | will xev react properly then? |
| 14:31.43 | valdyn | redloff: i suspect "Event interface" in the Input device section |
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| 14:32.05 | SnuS | http://212.54.107.115/barf |
| 14:32.08 | Krisso | where can i find informations about how to speed up my boot process and whats needed and whats not? |
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| 14:32.28 | runa | hey :) what's the difference between modifiy and change times for a file? |
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| 14:32.47 | redloff | valdyn, ok, thx for your help :) |
| 14:33.03 | jethro | SnuS: now that's some more usable info ;) lemme look at it for a minute or two |
| 14:33.20 | PitchForkLinux | Hi all. After I changed sources.list to point to sarge/testing and rerun apt-get update, I get the following message E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
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| 14:33.36 | SnuS | jethro be warned - the right(.251) is running freeswan - it was already patched into the kernel, and I had a couple of working tunnels. |
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| 14:33.40 | caphuso | PitchForkLinux: /msg dpkg apt-mmap |
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| 14:33.48 | jethro | SnuS: ok |
| 14:33.58 | SnuS | be back in a second |
| 14:34.05 | SnuS | thanks |
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| 14:36.02 | geppel | My machine has two HD's (hda,hdb). I have WinXP installed on hda and I just installed Ubuntu on hdb and during the install when I was asked to install grub, instead of installing it on the MBR I choose /dev/hdb1 (my / parition (including /boot). I then booted off the Ubuntu livecd and did the following: dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/boot.lnx bs=512 count=1 and copied the boot.lnx to my winxp parition and edit the b |
| 14:36.03 | valdyn | !mmap |
| 14:36.04 | dpkg | hmm... dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 14:36.07 | geppel | oot.ini, thus creating a dual boot system using the ntldr. However when I try to boot into Ubuntu Linux I get the word GRUB on the screen and nothing else it just hangs. Whats wrong?. Any help would be appreciated! |
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| 14:36.23 | geppel | i know this is a debian channel, but nobody else can help me! |
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| 14:36.49 | runa | anyone? what's the difference between change and modify time for a file? |
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| 14:37.09 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.12 | valdyn | geppel: grub is not installed properly on that device you are trying to load it from |
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| 14:37.18 | abrotman | geppel: ask #grub |
| 14:37.26 | nevyn | change is a change to da modify is a change of metadata |
| 14:37.35 | nevyn | or vica-versa |
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| 14:37.57 | nevyn | ie changing permissions modifies the file. |
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| 14:38.24 | SnuS | jethro back |
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| 14:39.13 | joey_ | runa, maybe you mean last-accessed and last-modified times |
| 14:39.14 | runa | nevyn: if I use touch, it will theoretically change only modify time, but "stat file" shows that it changes modify and change times |
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| 14:39.47 | nevyn | try changing a permission only and doing stat file? |
| 14:39.48 | runa | joey_: nope, change and modify. try stat file and check the last 3 lines |
| 14:39.59 | nevyn | because touch will modify the atime. |
| 14:40.08 | greycat | ctime is a weird beast. |
| 14:40.18 | sussudio | so is a platypus |
| 14:40.22 | runa | nevyn: changing the permissions changes "change time" |
| 14:40.23 | joey_ | runa, i see |
| 14:40.29 | greycat | on some Unix systems, any modification to the mtime *also* changes ctime. |
| 14:40.35 | runa | greycat: really :) |
| 14:40.45 | nevyn | runa: right. |
| 14:40.57 | nevyn | which is metadata. |
| 14:41.05 | greycat | sussudio: Unix is very platypus-like. |
| 14:41.12 | nevyn | runa: metadata is stored in the inode not in the file. |
| 14:41.15 | runa | nevyn: ok, then "change time" is about metadata and "modify" is about data |
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| 14:41.22 | nevyn | right. |
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| 14:41.36 | sussudio | greycat: duckbilled and poisonous? |
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| 14:41.53 | nevyn | but because of modify potentially moving the file it writes to the directory as well. |
| 14:41.56 | greycat | sussudio: I was thinking more along the lines of "cobbled together out of spare parts" |
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| 14:42.32 | runa | and what about access time? what does "access" mean? |
| 14:42.45 | xoz | runa: view file |
| 14:42.53 | greycat | runa: it means reading the data |
| 14:42.58 | runa | xoz: "open" ? |
| 14:43.04 | nevyn | open |
| 14:43.09 | greycat | I'm not sure whether opening and closing modifies atime or not. |
| 14:43.11 | tarzeau | can someone translate this? fungerar a"ver med 16 fa"rger med da* a"r den riktigt ful |
| 14:43.17 | greycat | reading definitely does, though |
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| 14:43.19 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Maybe |
| 14:43.29 | runa | stat y; cat y; stat y shows the same atime |
| 14:43.35 | runa | mm |
| 14:43.41 | WorkerII | tarzeau : It looks swedish or norwegian. |
| 14:43.43 | runa | I've mounted the partition with noatime (reiserfs) |
| 14:43.53 | tarzeau | WorkerII: it's swedish. i wonder what it says |
| 14:44.00 | WorkerII | tarzeau : But your charset is not ok. |
| 14:44.04 | runa | damn... thanks, anyway |
| 14:44.08 | nevyn | runa: that will significantly improve performance |
| 14:44.15 | WorkerII | tarzeau : (Or maybe mine isn't) :) |
| 14:44.16 | Zwambel | i´ve got a quesion, my question is, does sb. know a good site where it´s explained how to do a "htaccess" in a webfolder at my debian-server? |
| 14:44.19 | greycat | and will also cause atime not to be updated ;-) |
| 14:44.19 | xoz | runa: reduces hd acess? |
| 14:44.20 | jethro | SnuS: looks good as per what I read, you even have SA established |
| 14:44.24 | runa | nevyn: yes, I know |
| 14:44.25 | jethro | hey greycat |
| 14:44.28 | runa | xoz: it looks like |
| 14:44.30 | tarzeau | WorkerII: the browser is broken: mozilla |
| 14:44.40 | SnuS | jethro yet ,the interface isnt up, and packets don't get through. |
| 14:44.46 | xoz | runa: then noflushd is useful |
| 14:44.53 | SnuS | well |
| 14:44.54 | SnuS | they get through |
| 14:44.56 | SnuS | but they don't go back |
| 14:44.59 | SnuS | 16:44:57.119360 IP 192.168.231.2 > 192.168.230.112: icmp 40: echo request seq 50953 |
| 14:45.03 | WorkerII | tarzeau : "works ??? with 16 colours with ??* ??? its real "full?" |
| 14:45.23 | WorkerII | tarzeau : DOes that make sense? |
| 14:45.49 | tarzeau | WorkerII: the thing i'm interested in are missing in your translation |
| 14:45.52 | WorkerII | tarzeau "??" represents stuff I am unable to translate. |
| 14:46.00 | redloff | valdyn, I've compiled in this 'event interface' and it didn't help, xev still shows nothing :/ |
| 14:46.05 | tarzeau | WorkerII: http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/wmfishtime/sv/index.html |
| 14:46.13 | redloff | I compiled it as a module |
| 14:46.30 | redloff | but I *can* cat /dev/input/event{0,1} now :) |
| 14:46.44 | redloff | however it doesn't react on 'special' keys |
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| 14:47.08 | WorkerII | tarzeau : You do know that it *is* translated to english already? |
| 14:47.08 | Guerin | Zwambel: this archaic knowledge is to be found deep withing the apache documentation |
| 14:47.23 | Zwambel | Guerin: oh is it? |
| 14:47.27 | WorkerII | tarzeau : http://gnuwin.epfl.ch/apps/wmfishtime/en/index.html |
| 14:47.40 | Guerin | Zwambel: Yes, young one. It is. |
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| 14:47.49 | SnuS | jethro and my opinion is that they don't go back because they dont get sent to the tunnel interface(INEXISTENT), but to eth1 (routes) |
| 14:47.55 | Zwambel | Guerin: then I have to say sorry and thank you :) |
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| 14:48.29 | tarzeau | WorkerII: yes but i want to know what is "uber gay" in swedisch |
| 14:48.44 | abrotman | Zwambel: if you ask #apache .. they may tell you exactly where |
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| 14:48.54 | Guerin | Zwambel: it is nothing. Go forth and sup from the fountain of httpd.apache.org/docs |
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| 14:49.01 | Zwambel | abrotman: they don´t answer there :( |
| 14:49.06 | jethro | SnuS: sounds true |
| 14:49.09 | Zwambel | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 14:49.18 | hello_world | is there any good irc client in debian? |
| 14:49.21 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Oh .. they didn't translate it .. I think .. they just say its bad. |
| 14:49.21 | SnuS | now - WHY doesnt ipsec0 go up ?:) |
| 14:49.26 | abrotman | Zwambel: you could wait ... |
| 14:49.31 | Guerin | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html |
| 14:49.32 | tarzeau | hello_world: talksoup.app |
| 14:49.35 | jethro | SnuS: that's on the freewan node right? |
| 14:49.39 | WorkerII | tarzeau : "but if you use 16 colours, its real bad". |
| 14:49.49 | Nic__ | hello_world: what r u using atm? |
| 14:49.50 | SnuS | jethro no. on the openswan one. |
| 14:49.56 | elnovato | i can use my canon USB powershot camera as root via gtkam , but not as normal user, is that permisions??? |
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| 14:49.59 | SnuS | the freeswan one is working fine. |
| 14:50.02 | WorkerII | tarzeau : "bad or gross or something, i guess" :) |
| 14:50.02 | jethro | my bad, openswan |
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| 14:50.19 | tarzeau | WorkerII: ok |
| 14:50.30 | Zwambel | Guerin: thanks again :) |
| 14:50.35 | greycat | hello_world: irssi(-text) is quite good. |
| 14:50.44 | elnovato | !usb permisions |
| 14:50.46 | Zwambel | abrotman: I had waited ^^ but now I don´t have to wait any longer ^^ |
| 14:51.03 | abrotman | Zwambel: ok |
| 14:51.12 | elnovato | !usb |
| 14:51.12 | dpkg | i guess usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 14:51.15 | Sag1 | xoz: Sorry about sudden departure (can't believe he came early!). I tried to install using my network card but it did not seem to pick it up. |
| 14:51.19 | gilles | can you access this address : 82.235.26.179 ? And can you see security holes ? |
| 14:51.25 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Its merely a guess .. but its often like that .. |
| 14:51.27 | SnuS | jethro oops. |
| 14:51.30 | jethro | gilles: don't do that |
| 14:51.31 | SnuS | jethro [16:56:49] * Topic is '2.6 kernels and the EL backports have no ipsec0! -- Don't ask for permission to ask a question, just ASK THE QUESTION. If we can/want to answer it, we will.' |
| 14:51.38 | jethro | SnuS: :) |
| 14:51.38 | xoz | Sag1: was it detected? |
| 14:51.40 | tarzeau | WorkerII: gay does not exist in sweden? |
| 14:51.49 | jethro | SnuS: I was about to tell you to /j #openswan or an equivalent :) |
| 14:51.53 | hello_world | thx |
| 14:52.02 | SnuS | jethro still, the tunnel ain't working. |
| 14:52.12 | Sag1 | No it was not. I did an install a week earlier on an old DELL and it worked find but that was with a minimal CD and net install. |
| 14:52.12 | carbon60 | I'm about to bring up a new interface on a remote system using DHCP. I'm paranoid that this will kill my existing default route. Will it? |
| 14:52.14 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Well, I don't think you would use gay like that .. then again, I don't really know swedish. |
| 14:52.33 | elnovato | i can use my canon USB powershot camera as root via gtkam , but not as normal user, is that permisions??? |
| 14:52.42 | jethro | SnuS: ask there, you're beyond what I can help with, I use another ipsec implementation |
| 14:52.54 | Sag1 | xoz: sorry I left off your nickname on my last message. |
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| 14:53.08 | zeeble | Is there a Bittorrent client - that can handle multiple torrent downloads simultaneously? |
| 14:53.09 | WorkerII | tarzeau : Like in english, "game" means both a game of chess, and animals you want to murder. |
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| 14:53.24 | greycat | zeeble: yes. btlaunchmanycurses |
| 14:53.31 | GigaGurl | If I download a full (F) kernel source from kernel.org and then compile, it will include the source and headers, correct? |
| 14:53.39 | zeeble | greycat: hehe |
| 14:53.47 | SnuS | jethro thanks, I will |
| 14:53.48 | Cope | Hello - does anyone know where its documented that the max size for a swap partition on 32bit / x86 linux is 2G - is this just an urban myth? I see no -evidence- on google. |
| 14:53.53 | jethro | SnuS: sorry bout that |
| 14:53.58 | greycat | zeeble: I didn't make up the names. |
| 14:53.59 | WorkerII | tarzeau : But in other laguages, the word "game" might mean "game of chess", but not "what you hunt" .. maybe it means a wheel to help a rope ... I know thats the case, actually |
| 14:54.11 | Guerin | GigaGurl: the source includes the headers. When you compile the source, you get the image |
| 14:54.12 | greycat | zeeble: apt-get install bittorrent; man btlaunchmanycurses |
| 14:54.14 | orfeu | where i must modify to start a program automat when X start ! ( startup) |
| 14:54.15 | orfeu | ? |
| 14:54.25 | zeeble | greycat: oh. ... |
| 14:54.26 | jethro | orfeu: man .xsession|.xinitrc |
| 14:54.33 | greycat | orfeu: ~/.xsession but it depends on how you start X |
| 14:54.35 | jethro | orfeu: remove the . actually |
| 14:54.42 | elnovato | USB device works under root,but doestn under normal user, why? |
| 14:54.44 | Guerin | GigaGurl: if you build using make-kpkg, which you should, you can make separate image/source/headers/doc packages |
| 14:54.48 | GigaGurl | Guerin can you explain to me where I find these "headers"? |
| 14:54.49 | Guerin | elnovato: permissions |
| 14:54.55 | orfeu | jethro i use fluxbox and i whant to start ROX and not working |
| 14:54.57 | Guerin | GigaGurl: they're part of the source tree |
| 14:54.57 | Sag1 | xoz: I downloaded the rescue.bin, root.bin and driver floppies and used these to install but it did not pick up the network card. |
| 14:55.15 | jethro | orfeu: I think there are manpages on fluxbox as well, it isn't wm dependant |
| 14:55.18 | elnovato | Guerin: what groups manages usb devices? |
| 14:55.21 | xoz | Sag1: you need a bootdisk that has support for your card... redhat kernel for floppydisk has good support for ftp booting if debian boot is difficult for you. you need to configure a server that supports dhcp and ftp, then copy the install cd files in the ftp server. during install, choose get files by ftp. |
| 14:55.36 | SnuS | jethro ok - I got it working. |
| 14:55.41 | GigaGurl | Guerin I was going to just do a make menuconfig and build like that. |
| 14:55.41 | Guerin | elnovato: ls -l /dev/yourusbdevice |
| 14:55.47 | SnuS | jethro it was an iptables problem. |
| 14:55.48 | SnuS | now what ? |
| 14:55.51 | Guerin | !tell GigaGurl about kp |
| 14:55.53 | jethro | SnuS: heh |
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| 14:56.15 | WorkerII | !tell kp about GigaGurl |
| 14:56.16 | Guerin | !tell WorkerII about don't irc drunk |
| 14:56.25 | xoz | Sag1: try other linux boot installer that is more userfriendly... install debian later. |
| 14:56.36 | WorkerII | !tell guerin about botabuse |
| 14:56.42 | Sag1 | xoz: So I can use the FC3 bootdisk with the Debian minimal CD (sorry if this sounds naive I've been using RH and FC for the last 5 or 6 years) |
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| 14:57.08 | Krisso | when i plug in my mp3 player, syslog tells me it has made the device node /dev/sg0, but when i want to mount it it says "no block device" what am i doing wrong? |
| 14:57.16 | Guerin | Sag1: if it gives you a shell, you can use it. |
| 14:57.20 | SnuS | jethro how do I now get 192.168.231.2(windows) to get out to the internet using 212.54.107.115 ? :) |
| 14:57.24 | tarzeau | Krisso: what command do you mount with? |
| 14:57.33 | tarzeau | Krisso: maybe it's not partitioned? |
| 14:57.37 | Krisso | mount /dev/sg0 /usb |
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| 14:57.39 | jethro | SnuS: you just setup iptables the right way |
| 14:57.42 | xoz | Sag1: more important is you can install a *linux* in your system. installing debian or other linuxes become easy. try google for ftp-linux-bootdisk install. |
| 14:57.43 | Sag1 | xoz: I tried to search for a debian book disk but for Sarge they don't seem to have any. |
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| 14:57.54 | tarzeau | Krisso: what filesystem? |
| 14:57.58 | SnuS | jethro how would that be ? |
| 14:58.02 | jethro | 192.168.231.0/24 nodes have a default gw which is (iiuc) one of the vpn endpoint |
| 14:58.12 | Krisso | tarzeau, on the player? |
| 14:58.16 | Krisso | i think its fat |
| 14:58.23 | jethro | SnuS: am I right on my guess? |
| 14:58.31 | Sag1 | Guerin: Thanks I'll see where I get with that. |
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| 14:58.39 | tarzeau | Krisso: disk partitions are labeled 1..n not 0 ... so it's sda1 ? |
| 14:58.45 | xoz | Sag1: in my case, i use redhat bootdisk to install over ftp/nfs... then, installed debian later by chroot. |
| 14:59.01 | tarzeau | Krisso: tried mount /dev/sda1 /usb ? |
| 14:59.25 | Krisso | tarzeau, it says special device /dev/sda1 doesnt exist |
| 14:59.31 | Krisso | i forgot something in the kernel? |
| 14:59.33 | Weems | ive installed linux, I just cant get xserver or anything, I installed librnnet which is a variant of Debian and it installed and ive installed a bunch of programs but I cannot get xserver to start I guess It has a probleb with my S3 Turbo64 |
| 14:59.37 | SnuS | jethro 192.168.231.2 has gateway (192.168.231.1) 213.157.168.251 - one end of the tunnel |
| 14:59.41 | tarzeau | Krisso: and /dev/sda without numbers? |
| 14:59.43 | Sag1 | xoz: thanks. I just wanted to save time by not installing RH. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by install by chroot? |
| 14:59.49 | SnuS | the other end is 212.54.107.115(192.168.230.9) |
| 14:59.58 | Krisso | tarzeau, same msg. |
| 15:00.16 | tarzeau | Krisso: ls -la /dev/sda* ? devfs? |
| 15:00.24 | tarzeau | Krisso: which kernel version? selfcompiled? |
| 15:00.32 | Krisso | tarzeau, 2.6.10 self compiled. |
| 15:00.37 | jethro | SnuS: then just leave routes that way, and check if iptables ain't the cause of your troubles (as earlier) |
| 15:00.44 | xoz | Sag1: installed debian using chroot program running in redhat. |
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| 15:00.56 | Krisso | tarzeau, device does not exist.. no list with ls |
| 15:01.18 | zeeble | greycat: spiffay! btlaunchmanycurses rocks :)) |
| 15:01.23 | SnuS | jethro well - that can't be - I need to make it somehow go to the internet THROUGH ipsec0 |
| 15:01.24 | Guerin | Weems: libranet is not debian |
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| 15:01.30 | tarzeau | Krisso: maybe you need to create it? |
| 15:01.37 | Weems | oh |
| 15:01.40 | Weems | hmm |
| 15:01.43 | jethro | SnuS: the ipsec daemon on the gateway is responsible for the handling of such things |
| 15:01.49 | Sag1 | xoz: thanks - I didn't realise I could do that :)) |
| 15:01.52 | Krisso | tarzeau, well i dont get it why its creating sg0, instead of sda |
| 15:01.55 | Weems | but even when I had the lateste version of debian it wouldnt install |
| 15:01.56 | SnuS | jethro any place I can read about it ? |
| 15:02.02 | Weems | ive even tried to install slackware |
| 15:02.03 | Krisso | tarzeau, did i forget any kernel options maybe? |
| 15:02.08 | jethro | SnuS: openswan/freeswan online docs? |
| 15:02.17 | SnuS | jethro what should I search for ? |
| 15:02.22 | takatumi | Krisso: grep the config for CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD |
| 15:02.49 | Krisso | takatumi, how do i do that? |
| 15:03.05 | DeadZed | Im compiling kernel for the first time ... How do I apply patches to kernel source (for example supermount) ?? |
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| 15:03.15 | tarzeau | DeadZed: using patch |
| 15:03.16 | jethro | SnuS: * |
| 15:03.17 | Guerin | DeadZed: man patch |
| 15:03.22 | DeadZed | ehh |
| 15:03.25 | Guerin | like I told you several hours ago |
| 15:03.28 | DeadZed | man pages tell me nothing |
| 15:03.37 | greycat | bullshit. |
| 15:03.41 | DeadZed | like million other webpages |
| 15:03.44 | greycat | !man patch |
| 15:03.45 | dpkg | Read the patch (it's text). Let's say it has filenames like "linux-2.4.25/CREDITS" at the top. This means if you use "patch -p0" it's going to try to open "linux-2.4.25/CREDITS" (0 directories stripped). If you use "patch -p1" it will try to open "CREDITS" (1 directory stripped). So: cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.24 && bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.4.25.bz2 | patch -p1 |
| 15:04.02 | Sag1 | xos: Thanks for all your help. I'll start now and see if I can get to bed before dawn ;) |
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| 15:04.11 | Krisso | takatumi, how to do that? |
| 15:04.37 | takatumi | Krisso: grep CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD /path/to/.config |
| 15:04.51 | jethro | geez physical security *IS* boring |
| 15:04.55 | Guerin | DeadZed: they tell you plenty; it's a matter of whether you understand it. |
| 15:04.59 | darkness | Can anyone help with a problem i have trying to upgrade kde 2.2.2 to 3.3.2 ? |
| 15:05.19 | Krisso | takatumi, it says, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD is not set |
| 15:05.23 | jethro | Guerin: it's also a matter of who wrote them unfortunately :[ |
| 15:05.36 | Guerin | DeadZed: I also recall saying that if you were unable to locate the patch and figure out how to patch it yourself, you'd probably be unable to compile a working kernel with it. |
| 15:05.55 | Guerin | jethro: some are harder to understand than others. |
| 15:06.01 | xoz | Sag1: try google debootrap rpm |
| 15:06.02 | SnuS | jethro I really doubt I can do that with ipsec alone. |
| 15:06.08 | DeadZed | Guerin is that a sample command? cd /usr/src/linux-2.4.24 && bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.4.25.bz2 | patch -p1 |
| 15:06.11 | xoz | Sag1: debootstrap rpm |
| 15:06.27 | Guerin | DeadZed: don't use it blindly |
| 15:06.45 | jethro | SnuS: you need to understand which network flows are involved in ipsec tunnels, then allow them at the firewall level |
| 15:06.46 | DeadZed | substitute what wiith what |
| 15:06.57 | greycat | darkness: whatever you're doing, it's clearly *wrong*. |
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| 15:07.03 | greycat | darkness: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:07.09 | takatumi | Krisso: you need that, scsi disk support |
| 15:07.13 | SnuS | jethro but first I need to ROUTE them, dont I ? |
| 15:07.15 | jethro | SnuS: now I think you bothered us enough with this non debian related question, so would you please look for further info in an appropriate channel? |
| 15:07.21 | SnuS | sorry |
| 15:07.25 | darkness | woody greycat. |
| 15:07.27 | SnuS | thank you very much for your help. |
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| 15:07.33 | Guerin | DeadZed: substitute it with reading man patch, figuring out which file(s) the patch applies to, and then applying it |
| 15:07.37 | Krisso | takatumi, where can i find the option? under device drivers-scsi? |
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| 15:07.47 | jethro | SnuS: yw |
| 15:08.19 | DeadZed | Guerin Cant you give me a specific example ? |
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| 15:08.34 | greycat | darkness: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:08.40 | Guerin | DeadZed: no, because I don't know the patch or the source in question |
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| 15:08.44 | greycat | DO NOT FUCK WITH PACKAGE MANAGEMENT. |
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| 15:08.47 | DeadZed | I got kernel source in /usr/src and all patches too |
| 15:08.53 | pot | FUCK PACKAGE MANAGEMENT. |
| 15:08.59 | Nic__ | fu |
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| 15:09.11 | macondo | how do i change my user password? thanks |
| 15:09.21 | greycat | macondo: man passwd |
| 15:09.31 | macondo | ok |
| 15:09.36 | Guerin | DeadZed: just fucking READ what the bot told you about 100 lines up. |
| 15:09.47 | Guerin | !tranquilise pot |
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| 15:09.59 | elnovato | how to know wich /dev/usb/xxxx is using my camera ?? |
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| 15:10.07 | Guerin | jethro: chur |
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| 15:10.27 | abrotman | elnovato: dmesg |
| 15:10.41 | DeadZed | l |
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| 15:11.33 | elnovato | damn ineed to reboot then |
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| 15:11.52 | Covener | Is there a way to turn on something like bash completion in /etc/bash.bashrc and not have to re-merge my changes or the packagers changes upon updates? |
| 15:12.22 | Guerin | pingouin: it's a case of quantity over quality, I fear. |
| 15:12.30 | xoz | Covener: there is no re-emerge here. |
| 15:12.34 | pingouin | nevermind ;) |
| 15:12.38 | DeadZed | can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
| 15:12.39 | DeadZed | Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? |
| 15:12.39 | DeadZed | The text leading up to this was: |
| 15:13.06 | caphuso | Covener: what? |
| 15:13.12 | Guerin | DeadZed: so read the patch, look for the file, and try again. |
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| 15:14.01 | DeadZed | Guerin /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.9 /usr/src/Patches/supermount-ng207.diff |
| 15:14.03 | fmarostica | Anyone known any way to use squid (tproxy) with squid (auth) ? |
| 15:14.25 | jethro | DeadZed: consider patching $BRAIN/ with morecells.diff |
| 15:14.25 | DeadZed | funny |
| 15:14.26 | Guerin | DeadZed: he's right. You're too stupid for this. |
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| 15:14.33 | DeadZed | yes, all humans are born with SPECIAL linux braincells |
| 15:14.36 | jethro | Guerin: you could ++ me in such cases |
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| 15:14.43 | Guerin | DeadZed: No... normal braincells would do. |
| 15:14.48 | Guerin | jethro: karma whore. |
| 15:15.05 | jethro | draconian: even pothead braincells do the job , just look at me |
| 15:15.05 | DeadZed | Guerin seems that you cant do it |
| 15:15.25 | Covener | caphuso: I want to enable completion in /etc/bash.bashrc, but I don't want to forever be diverged from the bash.bashrc that's being updated by the packager. Is there any recourse besides diff'ing them and reworking the changes? |
| 15:15.26 | darkness | Surely dpkg woody -> sarge is fraught with danger? :-) |
| 15:15.48 | jethro | DeadZed: it's all about reading, thinking, then behaving, nothing more complex then this |
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| 15:15.51 | Guerin | DeadZed: I can, and I have. |
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| 15:16.00 | coachz | hi |
| 15:16.13 | coachz | anyone got a .deb for postgres 8 yet ? |
| 15:16.25 | Guerin | DeadZed: you'll not goad me into helping you by trying to insinuate that I can't do this because I'm 2 l4m3 |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | coachz: check postgresql.org or apt-get.org |
| 15:16.31 | jethro | coachz: check my 0day debz on http://127.0.0.1/d3bz/ |
| 15:16.36 | coachz | abrotman, they don't have one |
| 15:16.37 | abrotman | coachz: or try asking #postgresql |
| 15:16.42 | abrotman | coachz: then i guess not |
| 15:16.50 | Guerin | coachz: googletronic 9000 is what you need |
| 15:16.59 | Guerin | I can sell you one for only $1000 |
| 15:17.08 | coachz | jethro, you're funny |
| 15:17.20 | DeadZed | Guerin why are you typing your own hacker code that normal people dont understand |
| 15:17.28 | coachz | Guerin, I already have the googletronic 10000, you need to upgrade |
| 15:17.29 | abrotman | coachz: i hope this isn't important data |
| 15:17.38 | coachz | data? |
| 15:17.39 | Guerin | coachz: yours appears to be nonfunctional |
| 15:17.40 | DeadZed | l4m3 is what |
| 15:17.40 | caphuso | Covener: 1) /etc/bash.bashrc is meant to be changed by you. 2) according to changelog.Debian.gz that file has changed 3 times in the last 3 years, so aren't you trying to solve a non-existant problem here? |
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| 15:17.52 | Zrin | hi, my DVD-RW became primary slave on IDE (was master), a new HD became primary master on IDE (PATA). What do I have to do to adjust the system? (I'm booting from SATA RAID) |
| 15:17.52 | abrotman | coachz: it's a freaking database .. people normally put data in them |
| 15:18.06 | coachz | abrotman, not if they don't have one |
| 15:18.14 | Iconsumed | what do I do when alsacof says it can't find module snd |
| 15:18.15 | Iconsumed | ? |
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| 15:18.20 | Iconsumed | alsaconf |
| 15:18.20 | Covener | caphuso: I was prompted by debconf about it today, on a system I installed this week |
| 15:18.29 | Zrin | I'm not able to mount cdrom now |
| 15:18.38 | heya | when i try make under xchat i got this error: |
| 15:18.38 | heya | make[3]: Entering directory `/root/xchat-2.4.1/po' |
| 15:18.39 | heya | rm -f am.gmo && : -c --statistics -o am.gmo am.po |
| 15:18.39 | heya | mv: cannot stat `t-am.gmo': No such file or directory |
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| 15:18.44 | abrotman | coachz: it's been out a week? .. and you can't wait? |
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| 15:18.49 | abrotman | go compile it |
| 15:18.53 | coachz | i already have pg 7.4 but need to upgrade to pg 8 and no .deb package has availed itself yet |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | don't flood .. and don't compile |
| 15:18.59 | ricky_clarkson | heya: apt-get install xchat |
| 15:19.04 | caphuso | Covener: debconf? |
| 15:19.07 | greycat | heya: ask the xchat developers, not us. |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | coachz: you *need* to? .. for what? |
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| 15:19.21 | coachz | abrotman, point in time recovery feature |
| 15:19.29 | heya | greycat: sorry but its one deb package missing |
| 15:19.34 | greycat | heya: if I had to guess (or die horribly), I'd think you're missing gettext. |
| 15:19.40 | Covener | caphuso: wrong thing maybe -- the little dialogue for changed config files w/ the choices overwrite/keep/diff |
| 15:19.42 | greycat | heya: did you "apt-get build-dep xchat" yet? |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | coachz: so you're going to trust a database .. major revision that's been out a week .. because you need a point in time recovery? |
| 15:19.45 | caphuso | Covener: the bash package doesn't even use debconf... |
| 15:20.35 | heya | greycat: gettext is already installed. |
| 15:20.35 | coachz | abrotman, do you always stick your nose in everyone's business |
| 15:20.35 | valdyn | Zrin: check the jumpers that harddisk and the cdrom. Either one is slave and the other master, or both are set to cable select |
| 15:20.35 | abrotman | coachz: all i can say is to contact the maintainer and tell him .. bah .. fuck off now |
| 15:20.35 | coachz | abrotman, you need a hug ROFL |
| 15:20.35 | abrotman | coachz: if you're so smart .. fucking package it yourself |
| 15:20.36 | valdyn | Zrin: s/are/should be/ |
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| 15:20.44 | greycat | heya: if "apt-get build-dep xchat && apt-get -b source xchat" fails, THEN you have a debian issue. |
| 15:20.53 | greycat | otherwise, you have an xchat issue. |
| 15:20.56 | coachz | abrotman, i hope you have a great day |
| 15:21.09 | caphuso | Covener: so? merge the diff if you want to and forget about it until end of the year when the next change happens |
| 15:21.31 | abrotman | coachz: i hope you're not doing work for me :) |
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| 15:21.41 | coachz | abrotman, grow up punk |
| 15:21.46 | abrotman | coachz: really .. contact the maintainer and see if he started work on it yet |
| 15:21.49 | Zrin | valdyn i know that, I'm asking how to adjust debian config after a device is moved |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | coachz: i'd bet i'm older than you |
| 15:21.55 | guru | which cd should i download for sarge if i am doing a net install? |
| 15:22.02 | Guerin | btw, I found a package for pgsql 8 |
| 15:22.02 | coachz | i emailed him already |
| 15:22.11 | chuls | hello~~~~~~~~~~~~~~there |
| 15:22.12 | chuls | is "ls command" C or script?? |
| 15:22.17 | greycat | guru: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 15:22.21 | coachz | abrotman, whatever |
| 15:22.21 | greycat | chuls: file /bin/ls |
| 15:22.23 | Guerin | using my googletronic 9000, which is supposed to be obsolete |
| 15:22.26 | guru | greycat: thanks |
| 15:22.33 | DeadZed | Is there anynoe here who would help me to patch a kernel source |
| 15:22.43 | jethro | !tell DeadZed about anyone |
| 15:22.44 | chuls | i want to find ls command source |
| 15:22.44 | greycat | DeadZed: /msg dpkg man patch |
| 15:22.45 | abrotman | coachz: really .. contact the maintainer .. or try ot make your own .. there may even be someone in #postgresql who has done one |
| 15:22.53 | greycat | DeadZed: AND IF YOU ASK AGAIN, I WILL FUCKING BAN YOUR ASS> |
| 15:22.57 | DeadZed | thats not help |
| 15:23.02 | DeadZed | its like go google |
| 15:23.03 | chuls | is ls made by C ?? |
| 15:23.06 | greycat | chuls: yes. |
| 15:23.08 | DeadZed | tell everyone to google |
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| 15:23.18 | jethro | DeadZed: just stfu |
| 15:23.21 | chuls | thx... so... where can i find?? |
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| 15:23.24 | coachz | abrotman, you've been a delight, thanks ! |
| 15:23.25 | zeeble | DeadZed: yes. if there is an article or howto, read it. |
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| 15:23.32 | jethro | DeadZed: we're not here to *THINK* on behalf of you |
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| 15:23.35 | abrotman | coachz: well . you could also alien the rpm |
| 15:23.37 | jethro | damnit |
| 15:23.43 | guru | dpkg is quite nifty |
| 15:23.43 | dpkg | guru: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:23.46 | valdyn | Zrin: what config? your mount points? your device symlink(s) ? |
| 15:23.49 | elnovato | doesnt work |
| 15:23.51 | abrotman | coachz: i don't truly advocate taht .. but .. it's an option |
| 15:23.55 | elnovato | how to know what /dev/usb/? is using the camera? |
| 15:24.00 | guru | ...and a little m,oody |
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| 15:24.15 | Zrin | valdyn - yes, do i have to adjast that manually? which settings are affected? |
| 15:24.22 | elnovato | in fact, as root the camera works, how to make it works for the rest of the users? |
| 15:24.27 | jethro | greycat: I hope you get /msg's as well |
| 15:24.29 | abrotman | coachz: those seem like reasonable options to you? |
| 15:24.29 | guru | telling everyone to google is what we don on freebsd ;) |
| 15:24.41 | guru | i can't type today |
| 15:24.48 | xoz | i have a big table of numbers. i want to transpose the table so that rows become columns and vice-versa. any *magic* script to do this? |
| 15:24.48 | Guerin | guru: very sane. |
| 15:25.00 | greycat | guru: if you were here earlier, we actually had dpkg spam the channel with my "man patch" factoid (/msg dpkg man patch) |
| 15:25.00 | coachz | abrotman, no, but thanks |
| 15:25.04 | greycat | !tell chuls about msg |
| 15:25.10 | elnovato | ? |
| 15:25.13 | guru | Guerin: the freebsd handbook became my friend quite quickly :) |
| 15:25.20 | abrotman | coachz: well .. then contact the maintainer .. or check the bts .. there may already be a bug filed and a response about it |
| 15:25.21 | greycat | chuls: apt-get source coreutils (in sarge) apt-get source fileutils (in woody) |
| 15:25.26 | jethro | there should be a debian handbook |
| 15:25.31 | valdyn | Zrin: I still dont know which settings you are talking about. Theres more than 1 "config". Look into /etc/fstab, find cdrom there, adjust its device to whatever it is for you now |
| 15:25.35 | xoz | excel cannot load the table... it's too huge. |
| 15:25.43 | greycat | jethro: there was a commercial one years ago ("slink and a half") |
| 15:25.47 | jethro | so we could be arses to anyone in the channel asking about points covered by the handbook |
| 15:25.51 | Covener | xoz: xrandr :) |
| 15:25.56 | dondelelcaro | jethro: see the debian reference |
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| 15:25.59 | greycat | jethro: we have our channel FAQ and /topic for that. |
| 15:26.01 | guru | greycat: heh, i gave up on that last night...got to the point where i was so pissed off that i booted into freebsd to try it and had the same problems...the patch for the 2.6 kernel is borked |
| 15:26.02 | dondelelcaro | !debian reference |
| 15:26.02 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 15:26.08 | Zrin | valdyn - ok, then there are symlinks - do i have to manually adjust these? |
| 15:26.13 | abrotman | coachz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=291350 |
| 15:26.14 | elnovato | ? |
| 15:26.22 | jethro | greycat: yeah I know, but FAQ covers less then what freebsd handbook does (talking about topics, not linux specific stuff) |
| 15:27.00 | Guerin | yeah |
| 15:27.04 | abrotman | you know .. kind of hurts a little when the DD has his mail forwarded to ubuntu.com |
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| 15:27.14 | valdyn | Zrin: i think hal handles these, if you have it installed. |
| 15:27.17 | Guerin | no point in writing a debian handbook. Debian has shitloads of doc, nobody reads it. |
| 15:27.19 | jethro | dondelelcaro: debien reference on wdo? |
| 15:27.22 | jethro | debian even |
| 15:27.34 | valdyn | Zrin: like /media/cdrom. Don't need to adjust that one. |
| 15:27.40 | coachz | Guerin, try writing one that's useful then |
| 15:27.42 | Covener | xoz: how many rows? could you split them into seperate files in a tmpfs and combine then with paste? seems horrible to spit to a file though |
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| 15:27.54 | guru | my method for seeking support is man -> distro site (including any references there) -> google -> #channel |
| 15:28.05 | elnovato | ? |
| 15:28.09 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 15:28.09 | dpkg | i guess refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 15:28.15 | guru | then again i'm a hardened freebsd user :) |
| 15:28.19 | Zrin | valdy - don't knoe hal ... I'll check that, thx |
| 15:28.24 | caphuso | guru: /usr/share/doc |
| 15:28.35 | guru | caphuso: those are good too :) |
| 15:28.45 | Mannyto | Hi everybody, i got debian-sarge and i want to change mi language configuration, what is the file to do it? |
| 15:28.51 | guru | 9 times out of 10 if something doesn't have a manpage then i don't need it |
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| 15:29.05 | elnovato | how to know what /dev/usb/? is using the camera? |
| 15:29.07 | xoz | Covener: about 13000 x 23000 |
| 15:29.09 | abrotman | dmesg ... |
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| 15:29.20 | Garp | hi |
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| 15:29.44 | valdyn | Zrin: feel free to mention details, /dev/cdrom is handled differently |
| 15:29.46 | guru | back in a few...need coffee |
| 15:29.51 | Guerin | coachz: the existing doc is useful. |
| 15:29.52 | Covener | xoz: split/paste might be able to do it, might grind your machine to a halt too |
| 15:29.53 | greycat | guru: as both a BSD user and a Linux user myself, I can assure you that quite often the GNU man pages *suck*, and lack critical information that's only found in the fucking "info pages" |
| 15:29.55 | jethro | wow |
| 15:29.56 | Guerin | coachz: not that you'd know |
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| 15:29.58 | xoz | Covener: no, 26000 x 48000 |
| 15:30.00 | Guerin | !flw1 |
| 15:30.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flw1 is <coachz> i don't need no stinking docs |
| 15:30.02 | coachz | Guerin, hahaha, you so funny |
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| 15:30.06 | Krisso | takatumi, it works thx! |
| 15:30.20 | Krisso | takatumi, how can i allow the user to mount and access it? |
| 15:30.22 | Garp | Question: Is there any not too hard way to know from and to where does the trafic goes on an ip forwarding (and masquerading) machine ? Like nestat does for local connections ? Thanks. |
| 15:30.37 | zno | which script do i have to modify to set a static ip on boot? my default install picked up an ip dynamically via dhcp |
| 15:30.44 | greycat | !man interfaces |
| 15:30.44 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 15:30.46 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 15:30.46 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:31.02 | xoz | Covener: kernel-2.6 interactivity is gone. the machine page-swaps a lot...thrashes. tried it in C, perl, R... i don't know a better script to handle it. |
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| 15:31.08 | zno | thanks for the faq pointer |
| 15:31.12 | coachz | Guerin, if you mean docs for experienced users then yes they are fine |
| 15:31.48 | xoz | Covener: if there's just a way to print by columns |
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| 15:33.16 | resiak | Guerin: flw ? |
| 15:33.23 | greycat | famous last words |
| 15:33.28 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:33.28 | dpkg | "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1 |
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| 15:33.50 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd1 |
| 15:33.50 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 15:33.53 | ricky_clarkson | My fave. |
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| 15:34.13 | abrotman | i may be stoned .. but the segfaults are real? |
| 15:34.17 | xoz | Covener: and i'm using 2G mem + 2G swap, still the program bombs after many page-swaps |
| 15:34.33 | resiak | Aaah. |
| 15:34.42 | abrotman | !qotd53 |
| 15:34.42 | dpkg | i heard qotd53 is <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
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| 15:35.30 | Krisso | guys, i want to allow users to mount my /dev/sda1 usbstick too and access it.. how can i do that, when i try it says "only root is allowed to mount /dev/sda1"? |
| 15:35.44 | Garp | Answer: cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack does this somehow |
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| 15:37.10 | Krisso | tarzeau, still there? |
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| 15:37.30 | tarzeau | Krisso: yeh? |
| 15:37.40 | valdyn | Krisso: the options list in /etc/fstab needs to contain "users" for that |
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| 15:37.55 | Krisso | valdyn, they do.. but it still wont work |
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| 15:38.15 | Garp | bebye |
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| 15:38.59 | Krisso | valdyn, "/dev/sda1 /usb vfat defaults,user 0 0" |
| 15:39.05 | cadu | hi! noob question :how can i give a normal user permissions to use the sound under debian ? |
| 15:39.09 | greycat | !audio |
| 15:39.09 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, start with "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 15:39.29 | valdyn | Krisso: user_s_ |
| 15:39.47 | cadu | thnxxx |
| 15:39.51 | Krisso | valdyn, yeah just had a spelling mistake. it is "users" |
| 15:39.52 | valdyn | valdyn: ops sorry nm |
| 15:40.02 | valdyn | Krisso: no, my mistake |
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| 15:40.33 | Krisso | valdyn, still no change, no permission |
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| 15:40.57 | coywolf | why debian doesn't have rox? |
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| 15:41.05 | bob2 | it does |
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| 15:41.15 | xoz | Krisso: you should mount it in a dir where you have access permission. mount it inside home |
| 15:41.19 | coywolf | bob2, what package name? |
| 15:41.26 | rdancer | can someone do a ls -l /dev/ndiswrapper for me? |
| 15:41.26 | xoz | Krisso: not in /mnt |
| 15:41.33 | Krisso | xoz, i'll try |
| 15:41.34 | bob2 | coywolf: maybe you could find it with your leet skillz? |
| 15:41.39 | bob2 | coywolf: apt-cache search rox |
| 15:41.42 | greycat | ls: /dev/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory |
| 15:41.44 | greycat | HTH. HAND. |
| 15:41.49 | bob2 | haha. |
| 15:41.52 | rdancer | eh |
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| 15:42.02 | caphuso | greycat: i was about to do the same, but resisted the urge :) |
| 15:42.11 | rdancer | ok, let's try it in some less free-minded chan... 8-) |
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| 15:42.26 | coywolf | bob2, in sid? |
| 15:42.28 | greycat | rdancer: you simply need to qualify your question a bit more strongly. |
| 15:42.49 | greycat | rdancer: e.g. "Can someone who is using ndiswrapper on kernel {2.4,2.6} please do..." |
| 15:42.51 | bob2 | coywolf: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:42.52 | Guerin | coywolf: yes. |
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| 15:43.07 | greycat | rdancer: "... {with,without} {udev,devfs} ..." |
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| 15:43.20 | rdancer | what are the major/minor of /dev/ndiswrapper? |
| 15:43.32 | rdancer | so i can mknod it by hand |
| 15:43.37 | bob2 | if only that were encoded somewhere |
| 15:43.42 | greycat | it's not in the devices.txt file? |
| 15:43.51 | bob2 | y'know, stored so users didn't need to know it |
| 15:43.54 | bob2 | that would rock |
| 15:44.12 | greycat | bob2: hey! I have a great idea -- we could have a directory full of all the device files! |
| 15:44.19 | bob2 | wow |
| 15:44.27 | greycat | And we could pre-populate it with all the possible devices, so nobody would EVER HAVE A PROBLEM! |
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| 15:44.43 | bob2 | maybe some sort of userspace daemon that could create them on demand. |
| 15:44.45 | guru | well, sarge is installing |
| 15:44.48 | Overand | yeah, except when they add a new device and have no idea which one it is. |
| 15:44.54 | greycat | bob2: no, that would just break down all the time. |
| 15:44.56 | guru | on a pentium ii 400 even |
| 15:44.59 | Krisso | xoz, thx, managed it! |
| 15:45.03 | greycat | doing it *once* at system install time would be a lot better. |
| 15:45.13 | Overand | guru: i'm running deb on a p2-400 right now, thinkpad 600e |
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| 15:45.19 | guru | man i almost feel dirty for using an intel processor |
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| 15:45.29 | guru | Overand: this is for a server :)) |
| 15:45.29 | Overand | everything works fine except for the hd power management. the HD spins down about 10 seconds after it goes idle |
| 15:45.33 | Overand | so... a lot. |
| 15:45.41 | Overand | heh, my server's all of 100mhz faster |
| 15:45.42 | greycat | guru: pentium II, though, goes back to the days when they weren't quite so evil. |
| 15:45.48 | guru | Overand: ahh, well that's not too bad |
| 15:46.06 | guru | greycat: that is very true...and the p2 processors look weird |
| 15:46.13 | Overand | p3 is ok |
| 15:46.16 | guru | i almost forgot how odd and oblong they were |
| 15:46.25 | Overand | rdancer: it ignores the paramaters i set |
| 15:46.27 | zakame | what's a great voip/h323 client? |
| 15:46.33 | Overand | i do hdparm -S 15 /dev/hda |
| 15:46.37 | Overand | and then it goes and spins down in 10 seconds |
| 15:46.41 | rdancer | Overand: maybe you try to spec an unsupported value? |
| 15:46.48 | Overand | rdancer: possible |
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| 15:46.54 | Guerin | zakame: gnomemeeting is ok |
| 15:46.56 | Overand | i think it may be because it'sa thinkpad, though |
| 15:47.04 | guru | greycat: so do you think a p2-400 will suffice for a cvs repository server and maybe a call of duty server? |
| 15:47.04 | Overand | it may be a thinkpad-powermanagement-specific thing |
| 15:47.14 | greycat | guru: depends on the load |
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| 15:47.33 | rdancer | Overand: hmm, you should ask IBM -- they reportedly do support linux or something *cough* |
| 15:47.33 | zakame | Guerin: thanks |
| 15:47.36 | guru | greycat: maybe 3 - 4 users at any one time |
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| 15:48.09 | greycat | guru: yeah, it oughtta do. |
| 15:48.11 | xoz | test it to *know* |
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| 15:49.05 | guru | i intend to...gonna put it through a heavy guru style stress test >:) |
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| 15:49.47 | xoz | guru: check the pulse rate and the heartbeat after stress test :) |
| 15:49.55 | Overand | rdancer: i need to compile some modules for tpctl, a 'thinkpad control' app |
| 15:49.57 | Overand | fun |
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| 15:50.51 | guru | xoz: that's too much work...if i did that then i would need someone to check *my* pulse and heartbeat ;) |
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| 15:52.11 | rdancer | Overand: makes sense |
| 15:52.16 | Overand | yeah |
| 15:52.30 | Overand | it's the only app i've gotten that you can get the app via debian sources |
| 15:52.36 | Overand | but you have to compile the module yourself |
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| 15:52.55 | Overand | and i'm having a hell of a time with it |
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| 15:54.55 | netsurfer | hi guys, running Sarge(testing) and every now and then I get "spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ 7" in the console - any ideas ? |
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| 15:56.24 | CVirus | how can i make a partition to be auto mounted on every boot up ? |
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| 15:56.38 | Overand | CVirus: /etc/fstab |
| 15:57.02 | CVirus | Overand, thank u |
| 15:57.15 | xoz | netsurfer: kernel ver? |
| 15:57.24 | Overand | CVirus: be careful. |
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| 15:57.45 | CVirus | Overand, dun worry :) |
| 15:57.51 | netsurfer | stock kernel - 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 15:57.51 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:57.51 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:57.53 | guru | sweet, now all i need to do is assign a static ip address so i can ssh in |
| 15:58.01 | guru | ...if only i remembered how to do that |
| 15:58.07 | abrotman | !tell guru about interfaces |
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| 15:58.37 | netsurfer | xoz - u seen it before ? |
| 15:58.47 | guru | nice, thank you |
| 15:58.53 | guru | i knew it was in /etc somewhere |
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| 15:59.10 | CVirus | Overand, ABEL=/Everything /dev/hda5 ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 15:59.10 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.17 | CVirus | is this right ? |
| 15:59.21 | CVirus | LABEL* |
| 15:59.29 | guru | one more thing and i think i'm good to go...is it save to remove a keyboard from a running system? |
| 15:59.31 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 15:59.31 | xoz | netsurfer: yep... but it's gone after i use 2.6.9... you can get info by google |
| 15:59.39 | FieldySnuts | guru: yes |
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| 15:59.46 | guru | good |
| 15:59.47 | FieldySnuts | ps/2 anyway, not sure about usb |
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| 15:59.54 | guru | this is ps/2 |
| 16:00.05 | netsurfer | xoz - i need to stick to a 2.4.x kernel, will 2.4.29 fix it ?? |
| 16:00.06 | guru | and usb is, provided that hot swapping is enabled |
| 16:00.10 | Guest34542 | how do I switch kernels on boot? was it TAB? |
| 16:00.17 | EzoNaan__ | Hello! I would like to load the prism54 driver on a net install CD, can I do that? |
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| 16:00.21 | guru | Guest34542: what boot loader? |
| 16:00.25 | Guest34542 | lilo |
| 16:00.27 | jasz | Guest34542: if you're using lilo.. yes |
| 16:00.37 | jasz | TAB will display the available options |
| 16:00.40 | guru | yep, grub (newer versions) use the arrow keys |
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| 16:00.46 | Guest34542 | Do I hold TAB down... or just keep pressing? |
| 16:00.52 | guru | iirc tab also works with grub |
| 16:00.54 | jasz | just press it |
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| 16:01.05 | valdyn | EzoNaan__: alt-f2, <enter>, modprobe <whatever> |
| 16:01.08 | Guest34542 | ok.. soon as I did LILO x.x? |
| 16:01.09 | jasz | hit it.. with rage... |
| 16:01.16 | ccureau | Hello, all. :) |
| 16:01.18 | jasz | Guest34542: .. before that.. |
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| 16:01.22 | jasz | hello ccureau |
| 16:01.38 | ccureau | I've got a problem installing package xmail...it's giving me errors when I do an install and a remove... |
| 16:01.40 | EzoNaan__ | valdyn, Do you know if it exists on the cd? If not, can i add it via a floppy? |
| 16:01.53 | xoz | netsurfer: i doubt... i've seen it in 2.6.7 also. there is a discussion in kerneltrap about this thing... gooogle it. |
| 16:01.59 | ccureau | might someone help? :) |
| 16:02.29 | jasz | what error do you get. ccureau |
| 16:02.33 | guru | ccureau: ssh gives me errors when i try to connect to my remote server...can you be a little more specific? |
| 16:02.38 | netsurfer | xoz - thanks. - I had googled it before coming in here, but it seems to be a very general type fault.. now I know why lol |
| 16:02.49 | ccureau | mind if I flood a little? |
| 16:02.49 | paulswm | xoz, netsurfer : I've been seing it forever, in 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, can confirm it's still there in 2.6.8 |
| 16:02.55 | jasz | ccureau: ... use pastebin |
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| 16:03.00 | guru | yes i do and i'm sure others do as well |
| 16:03.04 | ccureau | <ccureau> Removing xmail ... |
| 16:03.04 | ccureau | <ccureau> cat: /etc/xmail/cmd_line: No such file or directory |
| 16:03.04 | ccureau | <ccureau> Stopping XMail server: XMail. |
| 16:03.04 | ccureau | <ccureau> No override present. |
| 16:03.04 | ccureau | <ccureau> dpkg: error processing xmail (--purge): |
| 16:03.04 | ccureau | <ccureau> subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
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| 16:03.09 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 16:03.12 | FieldySnuts | ass |
| 16:03.14 | jasz | *nods* |
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| 16:03.21 | guru | well, he was warned |
| 16:03.25 | paulswm | !beat ccureau |
| 16:03.27 | burd | is there a simple way to limit the bandwidth going thru a linux router's interfaces? |
| 16:03.29 | FieldySnuts | screw it don't help him then |
| 16:03.29 | netsurfer | I didnt see it til I installed my adaptec 29160N scsi card |
| 16:03.35 | jasz | ccureau: use pastebin |
| 16:03.40 | netsurfer | it was fine on IDE |
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| 16:03.44 | xoz | netsurfer: one thing i noticed.. the recent kernel disables interrupt that are not needed... maybe, this spurious thing is just false alarm and disabling pci iterrupts not needed solved it. |
| 16:03.50 | guru | burd: yes, but don't ask me how because it's been over a year since i had to do that :| |
| 16:03.51 | jasz | ccureau: or you'll be kicked senseless |
| 16:03.57 | ccureau | jasz: sorry, not sure what pastebin is... |
| 16:04.03 | jasz | www.pastebin.com |
| 16:04.09 | burd | guru: how? :D) |
| 16:04.11 | paulswm | ccureau: or use #flood |
| 16:04.16 | orjan | burd: iirc there is a pkg called frottle |
| 16:04.29 | guru | burd: as soon as i finish setting up my server i'll see if i can find the docs for it :) |
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| 16:04.43 | burd | well I been reading about tc but it sure seems confusing to me |
| 16:04.50 | guru | i have over 12 tb's to go through so give me a little time :) |
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| 16:05.09 | possie | anyone know of a tool which i can browse for images in my directory structure? i'm using fluxbox so i don't have a explorer tool |
| 16:05.10 | burd | guru: no hurry I appreciate any information I can get |
| 16:05.13 | jasz | 12 Tb's of what... guru? |
| 16:05.33 | jasz | dont tell me it's porn... |
| 16:05.40 | guru | jasz: backups...all of it is pure source code, with a few configuration files |
| 16:05.52 | pingouin | possie: apt-get install gentoo |
| 16:06.01 | guru | oh and a couple of cd's with mp3's...gotta have music whilei work |
| 16:06.04 | ccureau | jasz: pasted on pastebin |
| 16:06.09 | jasz | 12 Tb's of source code? geez... |
| 16:06.12 | jasz | ccureau: .. url? |
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| 16:06.23 | ccureau | http://www.pastebin.com/233721 |
| 16:06.48 | xoz | possie: xzgv |
| 16:07.06 | paulswm | jasz: that must be all the source code that's ever been written since like 1974 |
| 16:07.31 | guru | paulswm: heh, sure seems like it |
| 16:07.36 | jasz | i bet the code for Amiga OS is there too... |
| 16:07.38 | abrotman | possie: gentoo,knoqueror,nautilus .. there's another i can't remember right now .. |
| 16:07.46 | paulswm | guru: heh, yeah |
| 16:07.49 | guru | oh i take that back, there are a few binaries too for browsing and searching the archives |
| 16:08.14 | sanso | possie, xffm |
| 16:08.15 | guru | the archive searching tool is present on all media too |
| 16:08.24 | jasz | ccureau: ... try apt-get install exim and see what happens |
| 16:08.33 | ppijudo | hola algien habla castellano? |
| 16:08.44 | jasz | ppijudo: entra a #debian-es |
| 16:08.47 | guru | you would be surprised how much source code you produce in 7 years |
| 16:08.58 | ppijudo | como? |
| 16:09.06 | jasz | ppijudo: /join #debian-es |
| 16:09.13 | guru | not all of it belongs to me...some belong to the customers but we keep backups regardless |
| 16:09.46 | guru | hmm...wonder if apt-get install secretary would work ;) |
| 16:09.55 | ccureau | jasz: new posting with error |
| 16:10.11 | ccureau | jasz: same url |
| 16:10.20 | strubbel | ccureau: did yo try apt-get --reinstall install xmail? |
| 16:10.22 | paulswm | !es |
| 16:10.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:10.32 | ccureau | strubbel: Yes...no help. |
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| 16:10.47 | ppijudo | ok |
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| 16:11.31 | guru | man i love how debian is not bloated |
| 16:11.42 | strubbel | ccureau: and apt-get --purge remove xmail or just apt-get remove xmail? |
| 16:11.52 | jasz | ccureau: ... damn... it's like php on my machine :P ... it's always giving me some stupid error... |
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| 16:11.57 | xoz | !bloat |
| 16:11.57 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see emacs |
| 16:11.58 | ccureau | strubbel: Tried both. :) |
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| 16:12.13 | ccureau | jasz: Pain in the arse, it is. :) |
| 16:12.25 | guru | emacs is an editor?! i thought it was an operating system |
| 16:12.35 | jasz | guru... hahahahahaha... |
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| 16:12.46 | Guest34521 | still no luck with TAB before LILO boots... any suggestions? It keeps loading thenew kernel and I need to revert back to booting the old. |
| 16:12.46 | paulswm | !start an editor war |
| 16:12.47 | dpkg | emacs is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 16:12.53 | Xemacs | its also a login shell |
| 16:12.55 | sanso | guru, emacs is a fine OS, but vim won't run on it ;-) |
| 16:13.07 | jasz | ppijudo: ... no entendiste? tienes que escribir /join #debian-es |
| 16:13.08 | guru | i also use cat when i need to quickly create a file |
| 16:13.17 | PitchForkLinux | I have a Xandros tech preview disc that has kde 3.2 on it. Is it possible to install this onto my woody installation? |
| 16:13.18 | guru | sanso: exactly ;) |
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| 16:13.48 | jasz | !start a text editor war |
| 16:14.10 | guru | what is dpkg written in? |
| 16:14.12 | xoz | !does emacs have buddha nature |
| 16:14.12 | dpkg | xoz: no. |
| 16:14.21 | ppijudo | para q? |
| 16:14.22 | xoz | !does emacs have the tao |
| 16:14.23 | dpkg | I don't see why not, it's bloody well got everything else. |
| 16:14.37 | paulswm | heh, that's good |
| 16:14.37 | jasz | ppijudo: pues para ayuda en espanol! |
| 16:14.39 | guru | the only think i like about emacs is the doctor |
| 16:14.50 | ppijudo | aa ok |
| 16:14.52 | jasz | some people dont understand... |
| 16:15.06 | guru | por que no hablamos en ingles? |
| 16:15.10 | guru | err |
| 16:15.19 | guru | s/hablamos/hable/ |
| 16:15.26 | jasz | guru: .. i'm telling him to go to #debian-es ... and he wont get it |
| 16:15.33 | jasz | guru: .. it was right the first time "hablamos" |
| 16:15.36 | guru | i know, i've been reading |
| 16:15.41 | guru | jasz: ahh |
| 16:15.49 | guru | i'm still not entirely awake |
| 16:16.00 | paulswm | maybe it's elvonato in disguise |
| 16:16.08 | guru | jasz: no, the replacement was correct...i was asking him why he isn't speaking in english |
| 16:16.33 | paulswm | novato |
| 16:16.36 | jasz | oh... then the replacement would be "porque no hablas ingles" |
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| 16:16.47 | guru | jasz: ahh |
| 16:16.53 | jasz | :) |
| 16:16.59 | guru | i stand corrected :) |
| 16:17.03 | strubbel | ccureau: maybe you have to solve it the hard way by reading the pre/postinst resp. pre/postrm scripts |
| 16:17.15 | guru | jasz: parle voux francias? |
| 16:17.22 | ricky_clarkson | jasz: with a question mark, otherwise it's ambiguous. |
| 16:17.39 | ccureau | strubbel: I don't mind doing that, but I'm not sure where the scripts are. :) |
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| 16:17.46 | jasz | guru: non.. je ne parle pas francais... (i barely made it through French 101) |
| 16:17.54 | jasz | ricky_clarkson: .. true.. |
| 16:17.57 | paulswm | jasz: the correct British approach would be to speak in English, and then, if he doesn't understand, repeat it in English again but LOUDER |
| 16:17.59 | guru | lmao, same here...i failed with the lowest score possible |
| 16:18.17 | guru | my overall score for the year was 10 |
| 16:18.20 | ccureau | paulswm: LOUDER and s-l-o-w-e-r. :) |
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| 16:18.28 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Update your prejudices, that's the correct American approach now. |
| 16:18.32 | guru | 10 out of 3000 mind you |
| 16:18.42 | paulswm | ccureau: yes, like you are speaking to a retarded child |
| 16:18.48 | strubbel | ccureau: e.g. locate xmail | grep post |
| 16:18.54 | abeot | any advices how to add ipv6 module? |
| 16:19.01 | guru | apt-cache search sshd |
| 16:19.01 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: yes, I've noticed |
| 16:19.05 | guru | wrong keyboard |
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| 16:20.21 | abeot | ?? ipv6 |
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| 16:20.34 | guru | abeot: there's no place like ::1 |
| 16:20.50 | abeot | guru =) |
| 16:21.00 | paulswm | ccureau: and if that fails, last resort is to add foreign-sounding syllables in the fond hope that you are talking the language, "You are in el wrongo channelo" |
| 16:21.07 | guru | abeot: why not just compile ipv6 support into your kernel? |
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| 16:21.18 | jasz | haaaaaaahahahahahah!!!! that's awesome.. |
| 16:21.32 | jasz | "el wrongo channelo" |
| 16:21.37 | guru | lol |
| 16:21.39 | ccureau | strubbel: locate didn't return any matches. :) |
| 16:21.50 | strubbel | abeot: or maybe you are fine with modprobe |
| 16:21.50 | guru | why is less larger than more? |
| 16:21.55 | abeot | guru with thise hands? hehe, your killing me... =P |
| 16:21.59 | paulswm | the British tourist on vacation is Spain is a sight to behold |
| 16:22.05 | jasz | man.. you're killing the Spanish Language Academy ... |
| 16:22.07 | kristoffe | confusing to set up raid in the debian installer hmm, it failes all the time |
| 16:22.19 | guru | i use hardware raid |
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| 16:22.52 | abeot | naah just looking for some advices i installed today that 3.0r4 and it's with 2.2.20-idepci kernel? |
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| 16:23.15 | ricky_clarkson | You ees een el wrongo channelo. |
| 16:23.41 | guru | i've always been fond of 'va a la inferno' |
| 16:23.52 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: That's because the Spanish are so desperate for our money. |
| 16:24.09 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: If they had some national pride they'd make us at least *try* to speak Spanish. |
| 16:24.28 | possie | abrotman: wow nautilus also changes my background etc, looks pretty coola acctually ;-) |
| 16:24.39 | abrotman | possie: you're not using gnome? |
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| 16:24.52 | abrotman | !tell abeot about real kernel |
| 16:24.59 | possie | abrotman: no i'm using fluxbox |
| 16:25.11 | abrotman | possie: ah .. ok .. are you on sarge? |
| 16:25.19 | abrotman | !info fspot sarge |
| 16:25.28 | abrotman | what is the name of that package |
| 16:25.32 | abrotman | !info f-spot sarge |
| 16:25.38 | abrotman | grrr |
| 16:25.42 | jasz | well |
| 16:25.44 | jasz | gotta go |
| 16:25.55 | jasz | i'm sure you'll have fun without me |
| 16:25.59 | paulproteus | My server is running Debian sarge. I downloaded and installed kernel-image-2.6.6-1-686 version 2.6.6-1 some time ago. |
| 16:26.00 | abrotman | oh .. it's only in sid |
| 16:26.03 | rdancer | someone running ndiswrapper please do ls -l /dev/ndiswrapper for me, so i know the major/minor device number |
| 16:26.03 | abrotman | !info f-spot sid |
| 16:26.05 | dpkg | f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 263 kB, Installed size: 908 kB |
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| 16:26.14 | abrotman | possie: are you on sid? |
| 16:26.17 | paulproteus | I'm now looking for kernel-build-2.6.6-1 ; it's oldish, I know. Can anyone help me find it? |
| 16:26.26 | possie | abrotman: yes |
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| 16:26.40 | kristoffe | uhm, never come over this before, now i got to choose what kernel to download and install under the debisn installation |
| 16:26.47 | abrotman | possie: f-spot might be of interest to you .. moment while i grab you a URL |
| 16:26.56 | possie | abrotman: k |
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| 16:27.23 | abrotman | possie: http://www.gnome.org/projects/f-spot/ |
| 16:27.24 | paulproteus | I seem to recall a sourceforge site or something with old (or oldish) Debian packages in it. Does anyone know where to find the resource I'm thinking of? |
| 16:27.31 | abrotman | !snapsnot |
| 16:27.37 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 16:27.37 | dpkg | [debian snapshot] http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 16:27.40 | rdancer | is there a way to get ndiswrapper working with woody? |
| 16:27.48 | possie | abrotman: looks really nice indeed |
| 16:27.50 | abrotman | paulproteus: there is also the archives |
| 16:28.02 | jcb | its a bit of topic, but can someone recommend a cheap manageable switch with vlan features? |
| 16:28.11 | MEP | Hi. Is there any Sarge DVD ISO available? |
| 16:28.15 | abrotman | possie: sadly(?) .. it requires mono |
| 16:28.17 | abrotman | MEP: yes |
| 16:28.32 | strubbel | abeot: try apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18 look for your type of cpu and install it look in the /boot/config* if it has ipv6 support |
| 16:28.35 | MEP | Where? I did a search but couldn't find it... |
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| 16:28.49 | possie | abrotman: and mono isn't something i want? :-) i heard about mono... novell windows framework something corret? |
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| 16:29.14 | abrotman | MEP: you can use jigdo easily |
| 16:29.14 | strubbel | ...or apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.18 and compile a custom one with kernel-package |
| 16:29.15 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: you must be in the UK; I live in central Florida and it's not so different here - add to that the first-time-in-the-US British and Japanese drivers unfamiliar with right-hand-side driving, and not understanding that backing up on the freeway is *not* the safest way to get to the off ramp they just missed |
| 16:29.21 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 16:29.26 | Indal | hmm how do i connect to a server running cvsroot etc? using pconnect and login ? |
| 16:29.27 | abrotman | possie: .NET implementation .. go-mono.com |
| 16:29.39 | possie | abrotman: you have f-spot running? |
| 16:29.45 | abrotman | possie: no |
| 16:29.52 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I live in Manchester, England. I've never seen anyone reverse on a motorway. |
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| 16:30.09 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: I have seen it here, twice |
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| 16:30.22 | strubbel | yeeeha |
| 16:30.23 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: A lot of the pedestrians here are foreign, and look the wrong direction before crossing a road. |
| 16:30.24 | abrotman | possie: i'm on sarge ... i'm quite interested in it though .. i've considered writing my own app for photo cataloguing |
| 16:30.26 | possie | abrotman: which windowmanager do you use? |
| 16:30.42 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Darwin++ |
| 16:30.48 | zno | what's the package name for kernel sources? |
| 16:30.55 | ricky_clarkson | kernel-source-whatever |
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| 16:31.01 | abrotman | possie: gnome or blackbox normally |
| 16:31.02 | zno | thanks |
| 16:31.03 | ccureau | Well, thanks for trying to help... |
| 16:31.12 | sukria | zno: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 16:31.43 | abrotman | MEP: http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/iso-images/debian/sarge-unofficial/dvd/ .. very unofficial .. and out of date |
| 16:31.49 | possie | abrotman: not why blackbox not fluxbox? |
| 16:31.51 | strubbel | ccureau: you are welcome |
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| 16:32.01 | abrotman | possie: huh? |
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| 16:32.28 | possie | abrotman: i always thought that blackbox stopt, and lived on as fluxbox |
| 16:32.30 | xoz | possie: openbox is cool also |
| 16:32.32 | MEP | What are the Debain config tools called? |
| 16:32.35 | abrotman | possie: i used to use blackbox before there was a fluxbox or openbox . long long time ago .. before bbkeys existed :) |
| 16:32.43 | abrotman | possie: when it was still hosted in texas |
| 16:32.53 | abrotman | possie: no .. fluxbox was a branch |
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| 16:33.00 | abrotman | and took it's own path |
| 16:33.02 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 16:33.02 | abrotman | err its |
| 16:33.10 | paulproteus | Thanks all, snapshot was the ticket. |
| 16:33.11 | abrotman | MEP: config for what? |
| 16:33.13 | possie | abrotman: ah okee, i started with blackbox :-) the moved to fluxbox |
| 16:33.15 | elephantman | How to remove all '^M' from files ? |
| 16:33.20 | diesel | How do I hold multiple packages? I don't want to type echo <package1> hold | dpkg --set-selections for each package I want held. |
| 16:33.20 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: here, law dictates that you have to cross at pdestrain crossings (lights at intersections). You can spot the Brits dashing across a 4-lane 55-mph highway often with a large lady bringing up the rear, dressed in stretch clothes, looking like an oven-ready turkey |
| 16:33.33 | zno | elephantman: dos2unix unix2dos |
| 16:33.33 | elephantman | I think its a bug due to encoding on a win platform |
| 16:33.33 | abrotman | possie: yeah .. blackbox did stall for a long time .. i remember when it was like 60,000 lines |
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| 16:33.41 | elephantman | zno: ok thanx |
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| 16:33.44 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I got stopped in Germany for jaywalking. |
| 16:33.52 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: were you naked? |
| 16:33.56 | thingfish | heh |
| 16:33.57 | ricky_clarkson | Oddly no. |
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| 16:33.59 | MEP | lol |
| 16:34.03 | zno | Germany is all about rules |
| 16:34.11 | strubbel | elephantman: have you tried cut? |
| 16:34.17 | zno | the average german will wait for a red light in the middle of the night with no traffic |
| 16:34.17 | thingfish | I bet you can jaywalk in Italy. |
| 16:34.20 | ReclusE | anyone know what /boot/map is used for? |
| 16:34.23 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I did indeed cross a 50mph 6 lane highway this afternoon, and vault over a barrier in the middle of it. |
| 16:34.30 | SlayerXP | ReclusE: yes, someone knows. |
| 16:34.32 | elephantman | strubbel: what is "cut" ? |
| 16:34.39 | ricky_clarkson | !info cut |
| 16:34.40 | thully | hi - does anyone know how to configure fonts so that outline fonts are used in Firefox etc over bitmap fonts, but bitmap fonts are still available? |
| 16:34.43 | ReclusE | thats good....i think |
| 16:34.46 | abrotman | possie: btw .. don't come back and shoot me if f-spot destroys your pics :) |
| 16:34.47 | elephantman | strubbel: the problem is that i have a lot of files |
| 16:34.51 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: you better watch out for Darwin, heh |
| 16:35.00 | elephantman | zno: this command doesnt exists |
| 16:35.01 | abrotman | possie: i've not used it .. i'm just interested in it |
| 16:35.02 | possie | abrotman: gheghe, i'm trying to copmile it, now have to isntall mono first :-) |
| 16:35.11 | abrotman | possie: apt-get install f-spot |
| 16:35.22 | possie | hmmm apt-search din't find it |
| 16:35.24 | strubbel | elephantman: type man cut |
| 16:35.25 | ricky_clarkson | elephantman: coreutils |
| 16:35.27 | asuffield | I've always been entertained by the notion of 'jaywalking' as a crime, after living in London where it is the accepted method to get from one side of the road to the other |
| 16:35.38 | possie | abrotman: owww duh my box is sarge at the moment :S |
| 16:35.40 | possie | abrotman: stupid me |
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| 16:35.56 | zno | in nyc, you can jaywalk in front of a cop and nothing will happen |
| 16:36.03 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Yeah, and it doesn't help that Germany uses the same kinds of pedestrian crossings (red and green man) as the rest of Europe, but applies a subtlely different law. |
| 16:36.08 | MEP | what's jaywalking? |
| 16:36.15 | asuffield | crossing the road |
| 16:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | MEP: Walking in the road illegally. |
| 16:36.22 | abrotman | possie: oh .. that's a different story ... |
| 16:36.26 | zno | disobeying walking signal |
| 16:36.31 | possie | abrotman: yeah sorry |
| 16:36.32 | MEP | ok thanks... |
| 16:36.33 | thingfish | crossing the road at any place except a designated crossing lane. |
| 16:36.35 | ReclusE | is anyone going to tell me what /boot/map is for and why I get an Input/Output error when trying to do anything with it? |
| 16:36.37 | strubbel | elephantman: or maybe try out tr |
| 16:36.38 | abrotman | possie: unless you're very good at debian .. i'd avoid pulling mono/f-spot from sid |
| 16:36.49 | abrotman | ReclusE: #kernel |
| 16:37.00 | ReclusE | k, thx |
| 16:37.06 | ricky_clarkson | I'm sure you're allowed to cross the road in most parts of Germany, no problem, but in places where there is a crossing point, you have to use it, and obey its signals. |
| 16:37.21 | strubbel | elephantman: tr is better imho |
| 16:37.21 | asuffield | the London approach is approximately "I am here on this side of the road. I want to be over there, on the other side. I am going in a direct line between these two points, and cars will avoid me or else they will get blood on their windscreen" |
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| 16:37.27 | thingfish | same in USA, really, ricky_clarkson. |
| 16:37.37 | zno | but in germany the rules are enforced more |
| 16:37.40 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: That's the whole UK. |
| 16:37.42 | elephantman | strubbel: ok thanx |
| 16:37.48 | asuffield | and then you can spot the taxis as the ones who avoid you without slowing down |
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| 16:38.09 | thully | anyone have a clue on fixing these fonts? I want bitmap fonts available but not to be used in applications over outline fonts |
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| 16:38.12 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: nah, most places people avoid cars |
| 16:38.16 | ricky_clarkson | You can't walk on motorways and some other roads though, at all, unless you're getting out of a broken down or crashed car. |
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| 16:38.23 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: the problem is that when idiots come on vacation here, they've already had kids, so it's too late for natural selection |
| 16:38.26 | asuffield | in London you can't avoid cars, so you let them avoid you |
| 16:38.38 | thingfish | wow |
| 16:38.43 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: I apply the simple rule that if the car would have to accelerate to hit me, I cross anyway. |
| 16:38.44 | pabl0 | mmm is there any IRC channel for debian-laptops? |
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| 16:38.48 | thingfish | must be packed with traffic, London. |
| 16:38.55 | thingfish | I guess like all big cities anymore. |
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| 16:39.06 | asuffield | most big cities have a road network designed to handle cars. London does not. |
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| 16:39.13 | asuffield | London was built for *horses* |
| 16:39.17 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: London has congestion charges - you get charged up to $10 per day for driving there. |
| 16:39.22 | thingfish | wow |
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| 16:39.39 | ricky_clarkson | Manchester has good roads, but the busiest bus route in Europe to counter that. |
| 16:39.56 | netsurfer | manchester is a hell hole |
| 16:39.59 | xoz | pabl0: you just have to know what packages to install. debian has most packages needed for laptop. |
| 16:40.04 | ricky_clarkson | I passed a mile of end-to-end buses one morning. |
| 16:40.06 | asuffield | (and they can't change it now, because there's nowhere to *put* any new roads; all existing space is occupied with either cars or buildings) |
| 16:40.13 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Or Hyde Park. |
| 16:40.16 | MEP | Is it possible to use 'APT' when one is behind a proxy server? |
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| 16:40.32 | greycat | yes |
| 16:40.42 | MEP | How can I configure it? |
| 16:40.42 | ricky_clarkson | netsurfer: Why's that? |
| 16:40.46 | greycat | !http_proxy |
| 16:40.46 | dpkg | http_proxy is probably export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- It can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget - the trailing slash is important!, or export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate |
| 16:41.00 | MEP | thanks |
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| 16:41.03 | netsurfer | ricky_clarkson - was in it once, hated it, worse than london |
| 16:41.07 | greycat | there's also some crazy pseudo-C++ :: based apt.conf way, that sarge's d-i sets up for you. |
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| 16:41.13 | ricky_clarkson | netsurfer: So nothing specific then. |
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| 16:41.22 | paulswm | asuffield: I still miss London, though, but mostly I miss South Wales (where I'm from) |
| 16:41.24 | greycat | I can't for the life of me see why.. |
| 16:41.27 | netsurfer | yes.. everything lol |
| 16:41.38 | MEP | greycat, is the debian config have GUI? |
| 16:41.43 | ricky_clarkson | netsurfer: I miss it when I'm in smaller cities/towns. |
| 16:41.45 | greycat | define "GUI". |
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| 16:41.48 | thingfish | paulswm: cool! did you ever pick up any welsh? |
| 16:41.56 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: cwrw - beer |
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| 16:42.02 | MEP | Graphical User Interface and not command line... |
| 16:42.08 | abrotman | paulswm: aren't you in jersey now .. isn't that the same dialect? |
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| 16:42.14 | archpollux | hi all |
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| 16:42.22 | archpollux | prolly a silly question, but.. |
| 16:42.23 | paulswm | thingfish: I'm a native English speaker, but I learned Welsh at school, forgotten most of it now |
| 16:42.25 | greycat | MEP: well, the d-i installation process doesn't expose you to a command line, at all. |
| 16:42.31 | archpollux | how do i repaginate a ps/pdf file? |
| 16:42.37 | ricky_clarkson | MEP: Yes, you can use gnome to configure packages. |
| 16:42.40 | greycat | so by that somewhat limited definition, it's a GUI |
| 16:42.42 | paulproteus | archpollux: Try ps2ps. |
| 16:42.44 | paulswm | abrotman: I'm in Kissimmee, FL |
| 16:42.46 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: I'll have to take your word for it, although that certainly looks like Welsh. (Of course, any word made up of mostly consonants and w's looks Welsh to me.) |
| 16:42.51 | abrotman | paulswm: no thanks :) |
| 16:42.54 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I think graphical is a bit stretched, if you're in text mode. |
| 16:42.59 | diesel | How do I hold multiple packages? I don't want to type echo <package1> hold | dpkg --set-selections for each package I want held. |
| 16:43.04 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: that's why I said 11:41 greycat> define "GUI". |
| 16:43.07 | abrotman | paulswm: i'll remember that if i vaca in FL :) |
| 16:43.09 | pabl0 | xoz, well. I have a 600m (Dell). Everything is ok. I'd just like to configure the Xfree to get a better fps |
| 16:43.10 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: Pronounced - cooroo. |
| 16:43.11 | paulswm | abrotman: it's kissIMMee |
| 16:43.17 | xoz | archpollux: pstops |
| 16:43.19 | ricky_clarkson | but with a Welsh accent. |
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| 16:43.21 | elnovato | how to know what /dev/usb/? is using the camera? |
| 16:43.26 | paulswm | abrotman: drop by, I'll buy you a beer |
| 16:43.28 | abrotman | paulswm: i know .. i forget who i was talking to that's from ocala |
| 16:43.35 | SlayerXP | elnovato: dmesg |
| 16:43.39 | kristoffe | bah! why the %¤&¤%& does the grub boot loader fail to install, fuck this is confusing, whatever i do, ive made a /boot for it and made it bootable |
| 16:43.40 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: But GUI is already pretty well defined. |
| 16:43.46 | nvz | MEP: you talking about debconf, the thing that configures each package? |
| 16:43.52 | elnovato | SlayerXP: dmesg doesnt show any camera device |
| 16:43.54 | abrotman | paulswm: just one? .. i mean .. jeez .. if you come to philly .. you get a cheesesteak and all the yuengling you can drink :) |
| 16:44.02 | abrotman | (though .. you can get yuengling in FL now) |
| 16:44.07 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: not to me, it isn't. |
| 16:44.15 | ricky_clarkson | !dict gui |
| 16:44.16 | greycat | GUI does NOT equal WIMPS. |
| 16:44.17 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gui' (2 shown): a user interface based on graphics (icons and pictures and menus) instead of text; uses a mouse as well as a keyboard as an input device ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "gui" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" GUI. |
| 16:44.18 | nvz | MEP: debconf has a QT (KDE) and a GTK (Gnome) dialog frontend you can use, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 16:44.24 | SlayerXP | elnovato: it should. you're using hotplug, no? |
| 16:44.26 | greycat | (Windows, Icons, Mouse, Pointer System) |
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| 16:44.31 | paulswm | abrotman: well, one in the generic sense, you get some of the theme parks free also |
| 16:44.37 | thully | Does anyone here know about setting up fonts - so that outline fonts are used almost exclusively yet bitmap fonts are still available? |
| 16:44.43 | abrotman | paulswm: you work for a theme park? |
| 16:44.46 | elnovato | yes SlayerXP |
| 16:45.00 | paulswm | abrotman: not specifically a "theme park", no |
| 16:45.04 | greycat | if your narrow definition of GUI is "uses a mouse to click buttons", then no, the Debian installer is not a GUI. |
| 16:45.06 | abrotman | paulswm: erm .. ok |
| 16:45.10 | fabianhouston | hey anybody out there running debian on sparc who could help me with silo questions ? |
| 16:45.15 | abrotman | paulswm: i love busch gardens and sea world |
| 16:45.16 | SlayerXP | elnovato: then you'll get kernel messages about loaded and unloaded modules |
| 16:45.18 | greycat | (and thank GOD it isn't.) |
| 16:45.24 | greycat | fabianhouston: #debian-sparc |
| 16:45.31 | paulswm | abrotman: let's say, an entertainment company |
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| 16:45.35 | fabianhouston | thx |
| 16:45.38 | archpollux | paulproteus: is there a common manpage for those kind of executables? cuz the ps2ps manpage doesn't list any options.. |
| 16:45.40 | abrotman | paulswm: oh goodie .. get me a job :) |
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| 16:45.59 | abrotman | paulswm: i fancy moving somewhere warm :) |
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| 16:46.21 | paulswm | abrotman: I like BG and SW too, BG is a bit of a hike but SW is about 15 mins from home |
| 16:46.26 | nvz | I have no logs of MEP even talking about D-I in the past half hour.. he seems to be asking about package configuration I.E. Debconf |
| 16:46.47 | greycat | 11:40 MEP> Is it possible to use 'APT' when one is behind a proxy server? |
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| 16:46.52 | thully | any clue - this issue really is getting on my nerves - I either have to force my own fonts in every app, live with bitmap font intrusion, or disable them althogether (which I don't want to do) |
| 16:46.53 | abrotman | paulswm: epcot is fun too .. not so much disney proper .. but i do like epcot |
| 16:47.01 | greycat | The sarge installer (d-i) WILL PROMPT YOU for proxy info. |
| 16:47.05 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I consider three main types of user interface - command line (switches etc.), console (interactive text-mode, all the way up to and including dialog [ the program ]), and GUI, the realm of Windows/X Window |
| 16:47.14 | nvz | apt-setup will, that has nothing to do with D-I |
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| 16:47.30 | nvz | I see no indication in my logs he ever was talking about an install |
| 16:47.33 | greycat | nvz: except that the latter uses the former |
| 16:47.41 | paulswm | abrotman: I like EPCOT, go there often, you prolly haven't seen Animal Kingdom yet, that's pretty cool also |
| 16:47.44 | Zrin | hi, how to telldebian to use DMA on /dev/hdc? |
| 16:47.52 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't think i have .. |
| 16:47.54 | greycat | and I see no indication in my logs that he has read the channel FAQ or esr's "smart questions" |
| 16:48.03 | nvz | heh |
| 16:48.06 | abrotman | paulswm: i think the last time i wsa at disney .. the disney town had just opened |
| 16:48.10 | greycat | !stupid answers |
| 16:48.10 | dpkg | Giving someone the literal answer to their stupid question, when you KNOW it will cause them to damage their system, qualifies as a stupid answer. Also, spoon-feeding someone the answer to their FAQ instead of making them read the FAQ just leads them to ask *more* stupid questions; so that's a stupid answer too. |
| 16:48.14 | abrotman | (the thing with the rainforest cafe) |
| 16:48.18 | paulswm | abrotman: you mean Celebration? |
| 16:48.29 | nvz | oh boy, dora the Explorer |
| 16:48.30 | abrotman | paulswm: where the cafe is .. the little town-ish thing |
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| 16:48.37 | abrotman | nvz: we did it .. yay we did it! |
| 16:48.55 | nvz | this show pisses me off. its like one of those interactive cdrom games on tv |
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| 16:49.15 | paulswm | abrotman: if you mean a real town, it's Celebration. About 15 mins from home also, that's where my office is |
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| 16:49.28 | Zrin | I tried to format a new 160GB IDE HD with -c and badblocks used 99.7% cpu (system), I' took 5 min to kill it |
| 16:49.38 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. sounds like fun .. job please? :) |
| 16:49.56 | Zrin | so I suppose it's not using DMA - how to check / set? |
| 16:50.02 | nvz | I'd rather watch that ___ on blues clues any da |
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| 16:50.19 | abrotman | paulswm: does it help if Fox and Hound is one of my favorite animated movies? |
| 16:50.32 | archpollux | Zrin: hdparm |
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| 16:50.39 | sussudio | in soviet russia, only one channel. |
| 16:50.45 | thingfish | heh |
| 16:50.54 | Theoden | Ho thingfish |
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| 16:51.01 | paulswm | abrotman: I think that you can prolly submit resumes at most of the big companies' web sites: Universal, Disney, etc |
| 16:51.04 | thingfish | in soviet russia, the channels watch YOU. |
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| 16:51.06 | elnovato | camera usb works for ROOT, but not for normal users, how to fix it? |
| 16:51.12 | abrotman | paulswm: Downtown Disney is what it's callled |
| 16:51.16 | SeCurNet | .info |
| 16:51.20 | archpollux | elnovato: gphoto2? |
| 16:51.25 | nvz | it worries me the thought of sussudio being an actual person sitting around just waiting for someone to walk into an SR joke |
| 16:51.27 | Zrin | thx |
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| 16:51.42 | paulswm | abrotman: oh, OK, yeah, that is really cool. |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | paulswm: that's the last time i wsa there i think |
| 16:51.56 | strubbel | elnovato: mybe you have to be in group disk |
| 16:51.58 | elnovato | archpollux: gtkam and gphoto2 |
| 16:52.53 | strubbel | strubbel: but i have no experience with cameras |
| 16:52.57 | archpollux | elnovato: yep... i'm having the same problem... the cause, from what i saw, is in the fact that usbfs doesn't want to accept the uid/gid options at mount time |
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| 16:53.29 | Zrin | is it normal for badblocks to take almost 100% system CPU time and slow the system down to 10MHz XT? |
| 16:53.30 | archpollux | elnovato: so for now i use kdesu gtkam |
| 16:53.37 | elnovato | archpollux: mine works fine, ive added now to disk group, and works charming |
| 16:53.42 | paulswm | abrotman: sonce then: Animal Kingdom (a new park, zoological but with some cool shows/attractions), Blizzard Beach (a new water park), lots of changes in Magic Kingdom attractions and some new stuff at EPCOT |
| 16:53.46 | greycat | Zrin: sounds like your disk controller isn't running in DMA mode |
| 16:53.51 | abrotman | paulswm: i only see one .. don't think i'm qualified |
| 16:53.52 | archpollux | elnovato: i am in the disk group |
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| 16:54.06 | archpollux | elnovato: are you mounting usbfs in your /etc/fstab? |
| 16:54.09 | Zrin | greycat - ok, just installed hdparm ... thx |
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| 16:54.19 | abrotman | paulswm: yeah .. i'd like to go back sometime |
| 16:54.21 | zno | I installed debian sarge via netinstall RC2 which installed 2.4.37, should I update it? |
| 16:54.29 | elnovato | archpollux: ive just used hotplug thats all |
| 16:54.30 | zno | is sarge 2.6 now? |
| 16:54.32 | archpollux | Zrin: are you using a stock kernel? |
| 16:54.32 | Supaplex | How can I keep bsd-ftpd and proftpd-mysql installed at the same time? I have multiple ip addresses, and I'd like to use the bsd-ftpd on one ip, and proftpd-mysql on another |
| 16:54.54 | elnovato | archpollux: lsusb reports the camera, soo i can connect from any app |
| 16:55.14 | archpollux | elnovato: i see... can you check your /etc/fstab file for me, please? |
| 16:55.14 | greycat | zno: no, sarge is 3.1 |
| 16:55.14 | nvz | that sarge is the dumbest dog I ever did see.. he sits there on the back patio just looking at the door, I open up tell him to come in, and he just stands there marching in place |
| 16:55.21 | Zrin | archpollux yes |
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| 16:55.43 | zno | greycat: I mean the kernel sources are they at 2.6 or 2.4 for sarge? |
| 16:55.47 | greycat | Supaplex: build one from source |
| 16:55.47 | paulswm | abrotman: if you are really considering a possible move then /msg me, we can swap email addys and correspond about this |
| 16:55.49 | archpollux | Zrin: you might need to recompile with specific support for your IDE controller |
| 16:55.52 | sbk | trying to understand the connection between ffs and ufs/ufs2 -- I did see the "little UFS2 faq" -- is ffs built "on top of" ufs2 through just a C api? Ie, in some sense, ufs/ufs2 provides a library of functions that ffs then uses? |
| 16:55.53 | greycat | zno: yes. |
| 16:55.54 | elnovato | ok archpollux , for a bottle of whiskey |
| 16:55.56 | sbk | oops, sorry :) |
| 16:56.02 | archpollux | elnovato: sure :P |
| 16:56.05 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.6-1-386 sarge |
| 16:56.08 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.4-1-386 sarge |
| 16:56.09 | abrotman | paulswm: i would .. but i don't see much on the site for tech jobs that i'd be qualified for |
| 16:56.17 | greycat | BAH. |
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| 16:56.20 | Zrin | archpollux I have ASUS MB with KT880 chipset, using 2.4.27 kernel |
| 16:56.21 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.4-386 sarge |
| 16:56.23 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.6-386 sarge |
| 16:56.24 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on 386), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 16:56.26 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 101 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 16:56.38 | elnovato | archpollux: i dont have mounted any usb device |
| 16:56.44 | dondelelcaro | heh... version 101 is super helpfull |
| 16:56.46 | elnovato | archpollux: as im using hotplug |
| 16:56.52 | archpollux | elnovato: no, usbfs or usbdevfs |
| 16:56.57 | greycat | !depends kernel-image-2.4-386 sarge |
| 16:56.59 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4-386: depends on kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:57.02 | archpollux | Zrin: amd64? |
| 16:57.14 | Zrin | no, Sempron |
| 16:57.18 | abrotman | paulswm: can i meet goofy if i come there? |
| 16:57.30 | Zrin | i386 kernel (do you think i should use K7?) |
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| 16:57.41 | archpollux | Zrin: yep |
| 16:57.47 | elnovato | archpollux: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 /dev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 /dev/hda6 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | !flood |
| 16:57.55 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:57.55 | strubbel | elnovato: remember, the need of being in group disk for a camera could be considered as a bad setup or a bug because you now have the ability of partitioning every disk |
| 16:58.00 | archpollux | elnovato: thanks a lot, dude :) |
| 16:58.04 | Zrin | thx .. i'll try to set DMA on, it is a new HD |
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| 16:58.06 | paulswm | abrotman: there are so many disciplines where I work and jobs come and go often: Windows web development, Unix admins, Informix and Oracle DBAs or apps folks, lots of Java, netwrok stuff, pretty much anything you could think of (I mean we have over 100 Sun servers for starters) |
| 16:58.19 | abrotman | paulswm: sounds like fun to me :) |
| 16:58.19 | elnovato | strubbel: omg... whos guilty?? |
| 16:58.22 | bhsx | how do i setup ssh to start when the system starts? |
| 16:58.23 | archpollux | strubbel: yes |
| 16:58.31 | caphuso | bhsx: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 16:58.32 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Sounds like a good place for somebody with many talents. |
| 16:58.33 | abrotman | paulswm: did i mention i like warm weather? :) |
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| 16:58.36 | elnovato | archpollux: np |
| 16:58.37 | greycat | Zrin: the kernel probably lacks specific DMA support for your KT8xx chipset |
| 16:58.39 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, like you don't meet "gGoogy" often enough in here |
| 16:58.40 | bhsx | thanks caphuso |
| 16:58.47 | paulswm | *Goofy |
| 16:58.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:58.52 | greycat | Zrin: but I can't be any more specific than that |
| 16:59.05 | elnovato | whats a nice webcam software? |
| 16:59.07 | abrotman | paulswm: remind me tonight .. i'll give you a link/email |
| 16:59.09 | paulswm | abrotman: anyway, I'm happy to help out if I can |
| 16:59.13 | selron | hi.. it's possible to use a 200gb hd with kernel bf2.4.18 ? |
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| 16:59.19 | paulswm | abrotman: K |
| 16:59.19 | ricky_clarkson | I did a Mickey Mouse impression for a child, but he didn't know who Mickey Mouse was. |
| 16:59.20 | GeeSeCillo | hi |
| 16:59.26 | greycat | selron: no. get 2.4.21 or higher. |
| 16:59.29 | GeeSeCillo | someone has netgear MA111 USB? |
| 16:59.36 | selron | thx |
| 16:59.37 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm not in dire need .. but i would like to move south .. and i wouldn't mind a new more focused job :) |
| 16:59.42 | strubbel | elnovato: its yours or the one of debian but however finally it yours |
| 16:59.45 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: what? not even Tinky Winky? |
| 16:59.45 | green_earz | selron: have a look at camstream |
| 17:00.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Take your hands off th.. oh, right. |
| 17:00.18 | elnovato | strubbel: its george bush fault! |
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| 17:00.28 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: you must have discovered the _only_ kid in the world who doesn't know who Mickey Mouse is |
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| 17:00.46 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: It's just not on telly that much now. |
| 17:00.47 | greycat | paulswm: there are probably lots of Amish ones... |
| 17:00.59 | ricky_clarkson | Amish MacBeth? |
| 17:01.00 | strubbel | elnovato: oh...i have forgotten to mention |
| 17:01.04 | abrotman | greycat: they still sell mickey at walmart |
| 17:01.05 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: we have Barney the purple dinosaur here |
| 17:01.15 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I think I've seen that. |
| 17:01.16 | strubbel | s/have forgotten/forgot/ |
| 17:01.23 | abrotman | greycat: and yes .. amish shop at walmart :) |
| 17:01.25 | archpollux | Zrin: what does lspci say about your IDE controller? |
| 17:01.36 | greycat | abrotman: Hmm. I guess I'm in the "wrong" place, then. |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | greycat: i've found out a bunch of interesting things about amish people lately |
| 17:01.40 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Postman Pat, Postman Pat, Postman Pat and his black and white ***music ends abruptly*** body armour. |
| 17:01.42 | greycat | then again, I don't go into Walmart very often. |
| 17:01.49 | abrotman | greycat: apparently they're allowed cell phones because it doesn't taint the house |
| 17:01.49 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: he's always playing with kids and there's this song, "I love you, you love me,...etc" |
| 17:01.50 | zno | so if I wanted to upgrade my kernel I would use kernel-image-2.4-386 kernel-source-2.4.386 kernel-headers-2.4.386 ? |
| 17:02.06 | jetscreamer | just the image |
| 17:02.17 | zno | ok |
| 17:02.20 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: paulswm: http://pbskids.org/barney/ |
| 17:02.22 | jetscreamer | the others aren't needed, cept the headers if you need to compile against em |
| 17:02.35 | greycat | zno: not all 3. |
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| 17:02.43 | Zrin | archpollux 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 17:02.54 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: a funny send up of the song which I heard: "I love you / You love me / Please don't touch me there Barn-ey" |
| 17:02.55 | greycat | either pick -source, and build your own; or pick -image and -headers |
| 17:02.57 | jetscreamer | and what cpu? maybe 386 isn't exactly what you might want |
| 17:02.57 | culete | hola |
| 17:03.06 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I was trying to come up with a funny version just then. |
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| 17:03.17 | zno | I seem to need all 3 for something I want to compile |
| 17:03.31 | archpollux | Zrin: good, just compile "VIA82CXXX chipset support" into your kernel |
| 17:03.43 | jetscreamer | you would NOT need the source and headers and image... just source, or headers and image |
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| 17:03.59 | jetscreamer | source you would be compiling your own image and headers |
| 17:04.06 | zno | jetscreamer: asterisk pbx software explicitly requires source |
| 17:04.18 | greycat | zno: then get -source and build your own. |
| 17:04.19 | jetscreamer | zno, apt-get install asterisk |
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| 17:04.32 | zno | jetscreamer: the version is at 1.0.2 |
| 17:04.39 | zno | and I need 1.0.5 |
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| 17:05.27 | Zrin | archpollux: I don't use IDE for booting, is it ok just to add that module? |
| 17:05.35 | jetscreamer | ok zno so either source, or headers/image... the headers are for when youhave an image and need to compile stuff... |
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| 17:06.12 | jetscreamer | source, you will compile a custom kernel, see make-kpkg --targets |
| 17:06.33 | archpollux | Zrin: yep |
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| 17:07.20 | elnovato | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.28 | greycat | not to do it. |
| 17:07.30 | Zrin | archpollux: with fresh sarge netinstalled debian, do I already have that module? |
| 17:07.48 | paulswm | Supaplex: thanks I had it coming, heh |
| 17:07.50 | jetscreamer | i prefer kernel-source myself, it's just easier to compile a kernel at the same time |
| 17:07.56 | archpollux | Zrin: no clue, i always compile my own kernels |
| 17:08.00 | jetscreamer | elnovato, 2.4 or what |
| 17:08.01 | Supaplex | paulswm: =) anytime hehe |
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| 17:09.28 | paulswm | abrotman: my nick at cfl... (the non-numeric suffix of my User entry), drop me a line some time |
| 17:09.52 | elnovato | greycat: 2.6.8 |
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| 17:10.18 | Esaj | are there any .debs for postgresql 8.0? |
| 17:10.20 | jetscreamer | elnovato, home rolled or stock |
| 17:10.33 | jetscreamer | !info postgresql |
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| 17:10.45 | orfeu | !info php |
| 17:10.50 | jetscreamer | php4 |
| 17:10.52 | dpkg | postgresql: (object-relational SQL database management system), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.4.6-7 (sid), Packaged size: 3665 kB, Installed size: 9448 kB |
| 17:10.53 | elnovato | jetscreamer: stock image |
| 17:11.00 | orfeu | !info ncurses |
| 17:11.03 | jetscreamer | elnovato, then you don't recompile them. |
| 17:11.06 | orfeu | !info ncurses5 |
| 17:11.09 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev |
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| 17:11.22 | orfeu | !info libncurses5-dev |
| 17:11.26 | dpkg | libncurses5-dev: (Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1014 kB, Installed size: 5172 kB |
| 17:11.29 | greycat | elnovato: 2.6.x kernels already *have* ALSA in them. |
| 17:11.42 | elnovato | jetscreamer: acording the docs, the kernel has a bug on ati sounds drivers, soo it ask to recompile it |
| 17:11.45 | Zrin | archpollux - modprobe does not find anything with via in .../drivers/ide/pci/, where shall i look for the module? |
| 17:11.58 | elnovato | yes, but alsa is failing here |
| 17:12.11 | archpollux | Zrin: that sounds about right... you probably don't have the module |
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| 17:12.22 | jetscreamer | elnovato, then you would want to apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r` |
| 17:12.26 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 17:12.31 | Plateau | Hi |
| 17:12.56 | jetscreamer | Zrin, is should be viablahxxx |
| 17:13.05 | elnovato | whats the lastest kernel available on SID? |
| 17:13.20 | viki | hi, can anybody help me about modem configuration? |
| 17:13.23 | Zrin | archpollux - where shall I copy this module from? |
| 17:13.32 | resiak | elnovato: It's Sid, and 2.6.10, and why not search on packages.debian.org ? |
| 17:13.42 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.14 | jetscreamer | Zrin, with a stock kernel you should have that module |
| 17:14.39 | Zrin | jetscreamer - how can I check? |
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| 17:14.58 | jetscreamer | Zrin, use modconf, apt-get install modconf if you don't have it |
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| 17:15.05 | Zrin | thx |
| 17:15.06 | abrotman | paulswm: that's an odd addy |
| 17:15.11 | jetscreamer | or determine the exact module name and modprobe it |
| 17:15.24 | jetscreamer | grep your config |
| 17:15.39 | abrotman | paulswm: it's kind of in need of some updating |
| 17:15.45 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.31 | netsurfer | what happens if I load /boot/config-2.4.27-1-386 which is from my sarge install into a freshly downloaded 2.4.29 kernel ? |
| 17:16.47 | netsurfer | will it work or will I break things |
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| 17:16.53 | sin | is the wiki dead? |
| 17:17.09 | caphuso | netsurfer: there might be problems with the initrd stuff |
| 17:17.20 | Zrin | jetscreamer - modconf shows: via82cxxx + VIA82CXXX chipset support |
| 17:17.31 | jetscreamer | that's the one eh |
| 17:17.46 | netsurfer | caphuso - if I do mkinitrd after compile, would that fix it ? |
| 17:17.49 | Zrin | jetscreamer - other modules have a "-" this one a "+" |
| 17:17.55 | viki_ | hi, can anybody help me about modem configuration? |
| 17:17.56 | jetscreamer | netsurfer, use make-kpkg |
| 17:18.03 | jetscreamer | netsurfer, use make-kpkg --initrd |
| 17:18.03 | netsurfer | uhmm |
| 17:18.06 | netsurfer | ok |
| 17:18.13 | jetscreamer | zrin, then it's loaded |
| 17:18.15 | burd | viki_: just ask your questin |
| 17:18.18 | caphuso | netsurfer: i don't know if vanilla 2.4.* kernels support initrds on cramfs |
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| 17:18.27 | Zrin | jetscreamer - does it mean it is already loaded? ic, ok |
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| 17:18.47 | Zrin | jetscreamer - so I can proceed with setting DMA on |
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| 17:20.05 | Zrin | jetscreamer - which DMA mode shall I try? |
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| 17:20.45 | jetscreamer | zrin, huh? whatever your hd supports, i would think. |
| 17:20.51 | greycat | Zrin: make your kernel use it *automatically*. |
| 17:20.56 | viki_ | in my system my user cant use the modem, connected to ttyS0, but my user is in dialout and dip group (root can use the modem) what can I do? |
| 17:20.57 | greycat | never screw with hdparm if you don't have to. |
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| 17:21.18 | jetscreamer | caphuso, iirc yes 2.4 does initrd on cramfs |
| 17:21.22 | DrPete | I have just got my x100p card. What do I need to enable in the kernel config to use it? |
| 17:21.28 | kristoffe | where im supposed to choose software under the debian installation, if i click to install desktop environment, it installs both gnome and kde, is it easy to just install kde 3.3 if i choose not to install a desktop environment, and do i have to install the x server too if i choose not to install desktop environment |
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| 17:21.43 | Zrin | jetscreamer - it supports udma ... but hdparm man says "you'll need to prepare the chipset for UltraDMA" ... don't know what that means |
| 17:21.54 | netsurfer | ooh make-kpkg is a nice feature :) |
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| 17:21.57 | Zrin | greycat - how? |
| 17:22.13 | greycat | Zrin: make it have chipset support for all your funny little chipsets. |
| 17:22.29 | jetscreamer | Zrin, make that whatever your hd and chipset support |
| 17:22.33 | greycat | that's one of the problems with Linux -- none of that shit is handled *for* you by default. The distros are supposed to do it. |
| 17:22.34 | Zrin | greycat: :-) how can I do that? |
| 17:22.43 | tony_wt | viki_: has the user loged out and back in? |
| 17:22.49 | viki_ | yes |
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| 17:23.17 | jetscreamer | Zrin, you can't change the chipset stuff unless you buy a new mb eh. you can enable it, but not put new. |
| 17:23.18 | Zrin | greycat - I added IDE HD after installing debian |
| 17:23.22 | viki_ | tony_wt, the system was restarted too |
| 17:23.37 | greycat | Zrin: so? what does that have to do with your kernel configuration? |
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| 17:24.09 | Primuz | any tips for a good and easy ftpserver? |
| 17:24.15 | Zrin | greycat - you mentioned distros ... - how can I tell kernel to turn DMA on for me? |
| 17:24.18 | greycat | Primuz: bsd-ftpd |
| 17:24.26 | greycat | Zrin: either the kernel DOES, or it DOESN'T. |
| 17:24.37 | greycat | if your distro (Debian?) built your kernel, bitch at them if it's missing the option you require. |
| 17:24.48 | greycat | if you built the kernel, then it's your fault. |
| 17:24.51 | zenlunatic | Primuz: It's probably documented already. |
| 17:24.51 | Zrin | greycat: ok I understand now :-))) |
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| 17:24.54 | valentinos | i try to mount my sd card |
| 17:25.05 | valentinos | but i can do it any ideas? |
| 17:25.12 | archpollux | valentinos: good for ya |
| 17:25.23 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 17:25.23 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:25.23 | jeb | Algum amigo poderia me informar onde encotro pacote GnuCash para Sarge |
| 17:25.35 | jetscreamer | !portuguese |
| 17:25.35 | dpkg | i heard portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:25.46 | tony_wt | viki_: I just use pppconfig to setup the users and connections and have had no problem so I don't know. |
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| 17:26.09 | jetscreamer | !spanish |
| 17:26.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:26.12 | thingfish | it's portuguese |
| 17:26.18 | jetscreamer | cover all bases |
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| 17:26.29 | thingfish | I speak portuguese, it was portuguese. |
| 17:26.30 | templar | hi .. is anyone of you familiar with forkpty()? |
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| 17:26.39 | greycat | !info gnucash sid |
| 17:26.42 | dpkg | gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section gnome, is extra. Version: 1.8.10-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1252 kB, Installed size: 3884 kB |
| 17:27.03 | jetscreamer | ah i bet he meant the fucked up gnucash update |
| 17:27.21 | viki_ | tony_wt: I cant use the modem, not the ppp |
| 17:27.28 | thingfish | he said he wants gnucash for sarge |
| 17:27.35 | archpollux | valentinos: just this once i'll answer: you need scsi disk support and usb storage support |
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| 17:27.56 | jetscreamer | there was just an update for gnucash last week that was messed up dependency wise |
| 17:28.02 | valentinos | ackron, thanks |
| 17:28.04 | thingfish | ah |
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| 17:28.25 | jetscreamer | that was sid so maybe it's in sarge now |
| 17:28.34 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 17:28.49 | Zrin | yeah! it works! like charm! |
| 17:29.15 | Zrin | do I have to hdparm with -k again? |
| 17:29.17 | zenlunatic | Anyone know how to use IRC through a firewall? |
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| 17:30.24 | nvz | zenlunatic: what? |
| 17:30.28 | jetscreamer | open up the port |
| 17:30.34 | greycat | !+info gnucash sarge |
| 17:30.37 | Zrin | zenlunatic: there should be no problem. just dcc probably won't work |
| 17:30.37 | dpkg | gnucash: (A personal finance tracking program), section gnome, is extra. Version: 1.8.9-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1238 kB, Installed size: 3844 kB |
| 17:30.43 | nvz | I got a firewall, and I am on IRC.. It works fine |
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| 17:31.05 | jetscreamer | me too and i didn't have to open it manually, either, come to think of it |
| 17:31.08 | zenlunatic | I mean it's a public wifi hotspot and I can't connect to IRC through it. |
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| 17:31.25 | zenlunatic | Do you have to use a BNC or proxy server? |
| 17:31.48 | nvz | zenlunatic: whats the problem, is it not connecting giving an error? |
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| 17:32.38 | zenlunatic | nvz: Hm.. I believe not connecting. I forget. |
| 17:32.48 | zenlunatic | nvz: This was last night. |
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| 17:32.59 | jonny | does cedega works on debian-amd64? |
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| 17:33.09 | nvz | zenlunatic: yeehaw, cant wait to guess what your problem is :P |
| 17:33.23 | zenlunatic | nvz: Heh. |
| 17:33.38 | zenlunatic | nvz: I do believe it timed out. |
| 17:33.49 | nvz | zenlunatic: looking for ident maybe |
| 17:33.58 | zenlunatic | nvz: It's not like I can go there and get on IRC and discuss. Heh. |
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| 17:34.05 | Mawbid_ | Is there some auditing tool that can show me file usage patterns to help me determine candidates for deletion/archival? |
| 17:34.05 | nvz | zenlunatic: the problem may be that there is no ident server found. |
| 17:34.49 | zenlunatic | nvz: I think IRC is firewalled port 6667. I have to try indymedia.org because they have ssl on like port 667. |
| 17:34.51 | nvz | zenlunatic: possible solutions, talk to the admin, talk to the admin, talk to the admin, or ssh to an outside machine ;) |
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| 17:35.00 | greycat | Mawbid_: ls -lartu |
| 17:35.25 | jetscreamer | lart-u? |
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| 17:35.38 | zenlunatic | nvz: Yeah I ssh into university solaris box but all they have is 'irc' command which I think is ircii. |
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| 17:35.49 | zenlunatic | nvz: It's not a big deal anyway. |
| 17:35.59 | nvz | zenlunatic: connections outbound arent generally blocked by a firewall like that. chatting on irc is not blocked, running an IRCd may be |
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| 17:36.25 | nvz | zenlunatic: its more likely that the server is trying to find a running identd and cannot find one |
| 17:36.33 | jetscreamer | they probably think only evil hackers use irc |
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| 17:36.39 | Mawbid_ | greycat : weeeeell, I'm looking for something a little more involved. modification isn't the only kind of use, for one thing. |
| 17:36.44 | zenlunatic | nvz: Well it is public library wifi and their regular terminals say "no chatting" so I figured they blocked it. |
| 17:37.12 | nvz | zenlunatic: they said the same thing at my public library, I just sat down and ssh to home |
| 17:37.14 | zenlunatic | jetscreamer: Yeah like IRC isn't a valid discussion medium for a library to support. |
| 17:37.18 | jetscreamer | gee curtailing irc use to conserve bandwidth.. go figure |
| 17:37.22 | burd | what are anyone's opinions of running "unstable" as a router/firewall only machine? |
| 17:37.36 | jetscreamer | burd, nono |
| 17:37.36 | sbk | I wonder if they just block things by port numbers |
| 17:37.36 | greycat | Mawbid_: who said anything about modification? ls -lu shows *atime*. |
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| 17:37.53 | zenlunatic | nvz: Eventually I want to set up my box at home to always be connected to IRC and I can use screen or something to access it. |
| 17:38.16 | zenlunatic | burd: Why would you need unstable? |
| 17:38.22 | jetscreamer | burd, do the sarge thing if you just haveta |
| 17:38.24 | zenlunatic | burd: Surely you don't need X. |
| 17:38.25 | nvz | they probably have more web traffic daily than you can get on freenode in 6 months |
| 17:38.26 | jetscreamer | haffta |
| 17:38.37 | Phated | hafta? |
| 17:38.38 | burd | because I want to do shaping and I dont want to have to tinker, compile kernel etc |
| 17:38.42 | jetscreamer | have to |
| 17:38.47 | Mawbid_ | greycat : ah, sorry. but then, too many things can update atime |
| 17:38.49 | jetscreamer | burd, sarge |
| 17:38.51 | nvz | !yinzersmite jetscreamer |
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| 17:39.00 | zenlunatic | burd: Oh. Compiling kernel isn't that difficult. |
| 17:39.18 | elnovato | is this the last kernel available?? : Linux version 2.6.10-1-686 (dilinger@toaster.hq.voxel.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-6)) #1 Tue Jan 18 04:34:19 EST 2005 |
| 17:39.25 | burd | zenlunatic: I dont have time to "tinker" right now |
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| 17:39.44 | Phated | Compiling a kernel takes half an hour. Get off IRC whining and go do it. :) |
| 17:39.46 | zenlunatic | burd: Well why can't you use stock kernel on stable? |
| 17:39.53 | jetscreamer | elnovato, yeah mostly, sid-wise... there should be a -4 or something |
| 17:39.59 | greycat | elnovato: finger @kernel.org |
| 17:40.11 | jetscreamer | ^|^ |
| 17:40.16 | jetscreamer | P^finger |
| 17:40.18 | zenlunatic | burd: I just don't see the logic in using something called unstable on a dedicated firewall/router that has to run all the time. |
| 17:40.34 | zenlunatic | burd: Even if unstable is quite stable |
| 17:40.39 | nvz | Phated: you must be young and overprivlaged with technology :P half an hour.. hah |
| 17:40.47 | burd | zenlunatic: apparently it requires Qos to be compiled in as well as RTNETLINK .. or.. I just dont undertsand how to get those things set up with bf24 installed |
| 17:40.55 | greycat | nvz: she is young. |
| 17:40.59 | jetscreamer | takes like 20min here, long as i don't use the other boxen |
| 17:41.10 | Phated | nvz: Hardly privileged with tech. |
| 17:41.15 | zenlunatic | burd: IIRC those are kernel modules. |
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| 17:41.33 | samuel | hello all |
| 17:41.37 | zenlunatic | burd: Maybe use redhat (ducks) because it comes with everything on by default. |
| 17:41.39 | nvz | I got machines that could do it in like 20min after configured.. though I got machines that couldnt crunch 2.6 in less than 2 hours |
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| 17:41.47 | greycat | nvz: you must be old and stubborn and resistant to replacing old boxes with newer, faster, cheaper, more efficient ones |
| 17:41.48 | jetscreamer | burd, yeah use modconf they should be in there |
| 17:41.50 | greycat | ;-) |
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| 17:41.57 | jetscreamer | and don't use bf24 though |
| 17:42.02 | burd | zenlunatic: I cant seem to find them using modconf. I've almost enabled every conceivable IPT module with no luck and cannot find Qos anywhere |
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| 17:42.09 | samuel | anyone know what i could look for here: i want to open firefox in "kiosk" mode? |
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| 17:42.29 | jetscreamer | 2 or 3 levels down burd |
| 17:42.33 | nvz | greycat: linux has been around what 11 or 12 years, origionally only for an i386 and onyl ran on floppies... to say something like it only takes 30minutes is a bit hasty |
| 17:42.52 | zenlunatic | samuel: A howto exist IIRC for kiosk mode mozilla. Jamie Zawinski (sp) did it for his bar IIRC. |
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| 17:43.07 | greycat | "only ran on floppies" is a very bad misconception. |
| 17:43.24 | takatumi | nvz: if you get the config right, 30 mins is exaggeration. |
| 17:43.25 | Phated | nvz: Bet he isn't trying to run it on an original 386 with 32 megs RAM and a 2-gig HDD though. |
| 17:43.28 | nvz | well the 1.0 code I read pretty much seems like its made for floppies |
| 17:43.28 | greycat | I don't recall *any* version of Linux that "only ran on floppies" ... granted, I didn't use it until 0.99pl14 or so. |
| 17:43.38 | greycat | nvz: nonsense. |
| 17:43.49 | Gwildor | umm, can i zip a dir? |
| 17:43.52 | greycat | takatumi: but configuring it takes MORE than 30 minutes. |
| 17:43.53 | Gwildor | i tried, but failed |
| 17:43.55 | Gwildor | dsl@box:~$ gzip Illustrator\ 10 |
| 17:43.55 | Gwildor | gzip: Illustrator 10 is a directory -- ignored |
| 17:44.07 | burd | maybe I am doing this all wrong.. I want to run iptables so I don't want to start with a 2.2. kernel... therefore I installed bf24 I plan to runa newer kernel in this "hopefully" when sarge is released.. so I am planning ahead with the machine to try to make everything a little easier for the fufure upgrade |
| 17:44.10 | greycat | takatumi: that's the hardest thing you could ever have to do in Linux. And it's a fucking TRAVESTY that users have to do it. |
| 17:44.10 | Phated | Gwildor: man tar, search for -z. |
| 17:44.11 | samuel | zenlunatic: where can i find that? cause all i can find on the net is "press F11" |
| 17:44.22 | Gwildor | Phated: thnx :) |
| 17:44.27 | takatumi | greycat: for sure, getting the first right one is hard, then it's autodrive. |
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| 17:44.42 | jetscreamer | network support network options... in there |
| 17:44.52 | takatumi | the kernel menu has got to be the largest menu system |
| 17:44.52 | burd | hmm 1 sec |
| 17:44.54 | nvz | Phated: heh, you are funny, I had two 386 deskpros.. they have more like 200mb hds at best, and not 32mb ram more like 4mb |
| 17:44.54 | greycat | takatumi: until the next computer. and the next. and the next. and the next kernel *SERIES*, which changes it all around. |
| 17:45.10 | Phated | nvz: Yummy. You didn't try to run servers on them, did you? :) |
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| 17:45.17 | greycat | nvz: 200 MB? luxury! |
| 17:45.17 | jetscreamer | burd, you'll need to update the kernel, bf24 sin't the latest, just the latest available on the woody installer |
| 17:45.22 | takatumi | greycat: true. |
| 17:45.25 | nvz | seriously |
| 17:45.39 | nvz | I think my 486 DX2 had 202MB as a matter of fact |
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| 17:45.42 | jetscreamer | !info kernel-image-2.4.18 woody |
| 17:45.48 | burd | jetscreamer: I know this |
| 17:45.50 | nvz | my 386 probably had like 50mb or something |
| 17:45.52 | jetscreamer | oh ok nm |
| 17:46.01 | asg | nvz: my 486 had 40M |
| 17:46.02 | nvz | I got rid of em a few years ago |
| 17:46.02 | greycat | nvz: oh, that was later than mine, then. I started on a 386 DX-40 (non-Intel). |
| 17:46.17 | zenlunatic | samuel: I don't know about firefox but mozilla is there. |
| 17:46.51 | nvz | I had a 2 Compaq Deskpro 386's one was the 386/s and the other was the /s20 so I guess they were 16mhz and 20mhz |
| 17:47.07 | sussudio | COMPAQQQ |
| 17:47.12 | nvz | something like that.. its been a few years since I piched em |
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| 17:47.37 | nvz | I didnt have the damn setup utility disk that wrote the cmos or whatever.. so they were becomming a royal PIMA |
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| 17:48.02 | Lord-Cereburus | hello all |
| 17:48.05 | nvz | after 2000 I had to press F1 every time I turned em on.. heh |
| 17:48.19 | Lord-Cereburus | whats the command to show the full path in ssh/console? |
| 17:48.35 | zenlunatic | Lord-Cereburus: pwd? |
| 17:48.39 | Lord-Cereburus | thx |
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| 17:48.50 | paulswm | Phated: hey, went to see if there were any more 160 drives on sale, none left :( |
| 17:48.54 | burd | I've only been using debian about two years and stuff and when woody was released had no clue testing and unstable even existed. When sarge goes to stable, will it be identical to how it sits now? |
| 17:49.12 | burd | or the day it goes I guess^ |
| 17:49.30 | Phated | paulswm: That sucks. (said with just a little pinch of smugness) |
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| 17:49.37 | zenlunatic | burd What do you mean how it sites now? |
| 17:49.41 | Phated | paulswm: (and not very much pity at all :) ) |
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| 17:49.49 | zenlunatic | burd: sits |
| 17:49.54 | takatumi | burd: if you point it to sarge yes, if you point to testing, it's fluid. |
| 17:49.59 | greycat | burd: it depends on how long it goes on until the release. |
| 17:50.21 | ricky_clarkson | burd: It will be slightly different, maybe some packages will be removed, some altered, some added, but it should be stable. |
| 17:50.21 | paulswm | Phated: hey, if I had bought a couple I was going to offer to surface mail you a couple of 40s |
| 17:50.24 | greycat | if sarge releases next week, it'll probably be quite close to how it is now. of course, that won't happen. |
| 17:50.38 | burd | but fo rthe most part I should be able to change my sources from current sarge to stable and it shoudl al ljive? |
| 17:50.46 | Area-51 | the font on the desktop icons have a shadow to them, im not sure how to disable that if someone could help me out (kde 3.3, kernel 2.6.8 custom, debian sarge) |
| 17:50.53 | Phated | paulswm: Hehe. :) Meh, you have like 320 gigs by now, LUXURY I tell you! :) |
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| 17:51.11 | greycat | !start an old hardware war |
| 17:51.11 | dpkg | You kids have it EASY! When I was your age I had to write operating systems on a UNIVAC III! |
| 17:51.12 | paulswm | Phated: actually 80 on one box and 810 on the other |
| 17:51.16 | Skiver | why is my sshd only allows root login ? |
| 17:51.23 | Phated | paulswm: Don't push it, bub. :) |
| 17:51.24 | sussudio | !confuse Skiver |
| 17:51.25 | dpkg | No, what is your bacon yesterday, Skiver? wellies of the monarchy of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 17:51.31 | greycat | Skiver: give more details. versions, logfile entries, PAM configs, etc. |
| 17:51.46 | asg | paulswm: geezer |
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| 17:52.01 | greycat | paulswm: and survived, with your mind and sanity intact? not bad. |
| 17:52.03 | paulswm | !beer asg |
| 17:52.04 | asg | paulswm: you should create a 'start an old geezer' factoid ;) |
| 17:52.12 | asg | s/geezer/geezer war/ |
| 17:52.27 | takatumi | wtf is that? |
| 17:52.28 | greycat | asg: I had Anna Nicole visions on the first one, before the s/// |
| 17:52.39 | asg | heh |
| 17:52.48 | paulswm | asg: don't get me started I already did a 'whenIwasYoung' reminiscence the other day here |
| 17:52.48 | kurumin | hello |
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| 17:52.52 | Skiver | greycat : OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4, when login with normal user account it says invalid password |
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| 17:52.56 | kurumin | :) |
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| 17:52.58 | asg | paulswm: I know, I was there for it :) |
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| 17:53.03 | Phated | paulswm: And since you have so many, go on, do! :) |
| 17:53.28 | greycat | Skiver: sounds like a PAM configuration problem to me, with a missing "md5" from the pam.d/ssh* files. But sarge's ssh package should've given you the "md5" by default. (unlike woody, IIRC...) |
| 17:53.35 | paulswm | greycat: running single-streaming EXEC2 with fixed head drums and PDP-9 front end |
| 17:53.37 | asg | sussudio: you need to change the compaq image to point to nvz (and give me a dell one) |
| 17:53.58 | greycat | paulswm: I'm only 34, so some of that stuff is unknown to me. |
| 17:54.08 | Skiver | greycat : but root can login ? |
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| 17:54.16 | paulswm | Phated: naah, I've already put too much OT stuff in here today already |
| 17:54.19 | greycat | Skiver: check /etc/shadow and see if root's got DES instead of MD5 hashes... |
| 17:54.27 | Phated | paulswm: Pffft. |
| 17:54.34 | Phated | paulswm: You know nothing of OT. |
| 17:54.36 | greycat | Skiver: also check sshd_config for things like DenyUser |
| 17:54.38 | asg | paulswm: the uni up the street was giving away a PDP-11 some years back; I couldn't find a pickup truck in time to grab it |
| 17:54.53 | Area-51 | is there a way to add fluxbox to the GMD session manager/login manager? (debian sarge) |
| 17:54.56 | asg | Skiver: also, run the sshd in debug mode and look at /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:55.09 | paulswm | greycat: a fixed head drum is really big, it's a device for storing angular momentum :) |
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| 17:55.33 | samuel | whats the command to get the CRC of a file? |
| 17:55.37 | greycat | paulswm: "a digital flywheel" |
| 17:55.38 | asg | paulswm: ah, early tennis sims. |
| 17:55.43 | greycat | samuel: try md5sum |
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| 17:55.54 | samuel | greycat: thanks |
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| 17:56.44 | paulswm | greycat: shouldn't really power up more than two fixed head drums on the same longtitudinal axis without first consulting a geophysicist because of the coreolis forces involved, ha ha |
| 17:56.51 | paulproteus | In X, I have the regular US keyboard map. I often want to type international characters, particularly to type in French (c with cedille, acute and grave accents on e, grave accent on a, etc.). I'm in the US and I know QWERTY, so using e.g. the AZERTY layout isn't what I want. |
| 17:56.55 | Skiver | thanks guys. brb |
| 17:56.55 | paulproteus | What's a good way to be able to type accented characters in X? |
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| 17:57.15 | Phated | paulproteus: Use "deadkeys" as your variant. |
| 17:57.44 | greycat | paulproteus: /msg dpkg iso8859 |
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| 17:58.10 | samuel | paulproteus: or you could use keyboard shortcuts that you assign yourself |
| 17:58.35 | Frem | queston: i've got an older system that i want to have an optimised version of linux running on. gentoo would really tax it. is debian's apt-src command pretty much the same thing as emerge? |
| 17:58.53 | greycat | define "older". define "pretty much the same". |
| 17:58.57 | ricky_clarkson | Frem: Gentoo has USE flags, Debian doesn't. |
| 17:59.11 | samuel | greycat: am i correct in saying that IF the files are textually the same inside then the md5sum should be the same? no matter the name of the file? |
| 17:59.18 | greycat | samuel: correct |
| 17:59.32 | zenlunatic | Frem It's been discussed before. |
| 17:59.48 | Frem | older: 100MHz, pretty much the same: it can compile packages and they'll run faster then a prebuilt 486 package. |
| 17:59.56 | Ikarus | Frem: ROFL |
| 18:00.04 | fflush | bah |
| 18:00.09 | greycat | so... it's *not* a 486? |
| 18:00.11 | fflush | gentoo zelots detected |
| 18:00.12 | greycat | then what *is* it? |
| 18:00.18 | Frem | 586 |
| 18:00.23 | Frem | is there much diffrence? |
| 18:00.24 | fflush | run if you can |
| 18:00.27 | novice | does anybody here use ipvs? if so, which version? is there any feature that we find on the software built for kernel 2.4 that we can't find for those kernels 2.6? |
| 18:00.30 | Ikarus | Frem: 386 compiled packages run FASTER on a Pentium then 486 compiled so you are comparing wrongly |
| 18:00.30 | fflush | run for your lives |
| 18:00.31 | mlewis00 | Frem: apt-build should do it but you might want to wait a couple of more days until the new version gets to the repositories (it is in sid now). |
| 18:01.15 | greycat | !info pentium-builder woody |
| 18:01.18 | dpkg | pentium-builder: (force pentium optimized compilation), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.17 (woody), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 18:01.19 | greycat | there's also that. |
| 18:01.33 | ricky_clarkson | I say that if someone wants to build there own shit, let them, natural selection. |
| 18:01.37 | ricky_clarkson | s/there/their/ |
| 18:01.39 | Ikarus | Frem: but for a P100 the performance gain might be 4% |
| 18:01.42 | Frem | oh |
| 18:01.53 | Ikarus | Frem: 386 compiled vs Pentium compiled that is |
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| 18:02.15 | Ikarus | Only very few things are worth optimising |
| 18:02.24 | Frem | ok, so it would basicly be like the diffrence between running old(er) software on an old system and new software on an old system. |
| 18:02.42 | greycat | Frem: no. more like the difference between having wasted 2 weeks, and not having wasted it. |
| 18:02.51 | Overand | Hey, when you make a change with hdparm it's immediate, right? |
| 18:02.57 | Overand | you don't have to 'apply' it somehow, do you? |
| 18:03.01 | Skiver | ahh, there's this /etc/nologin exists |
| 18:03.05 | Skiver | i wonder why |
| 18:03.05 | Frem | greycat: well, that too. |
| 18:03.06 | greycat | Skiver: DOH! |
| 18:03.14 | Defenestrator | the kernel probably makes a difference in speed |
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| 18:03.26 | Skiver | greycat : is it there by default ? |
| 18:03.27 | Defenestrator | Overand: yeah, it's immediate |
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| 18:03.34 | greycat | Skiver: grep -r nologin /etc/rc* |
| 18:03.47 | Defenestrator | hdparm.conf for changes next reboot |
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| 18:04.15 | toresbe | with audible alarm :) |
| 18:04.18 | Skiver | greycat : a long output |
| 18:04.29 | greycat | Skiver: shouldn't be *that* long. and should be fairly clear. |
| 18:05.11 | Skiver | greycat : s99rmnologin in general in rc1-S.d |
| 18:05.19 | greycat | Skiver: no no... actually *read it(. |
| 18:05.39 | greycat | and of course it's S99 not s99. |
| 18:05.46 | greycat | the capital letter makes ALL the difference. |
| 18:05.51 | greycat | if it's s99 then it does not get executed. |
| 18:06.15 | Skiver | S99 yea |
| 18:07.16 | Skiver | greycat : according to that /etc/nologin should be removed |
| 18:07.35 | greycat | Skiver: yes, when the SysV init gets that far. Is it getting that far? |
| 18:07.48 | greycat | or is it hanging on something before that? |
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| 18:08.31 | coywolf | how to specify the shared object files path? |
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| 18:08.39 | Skiver | greycat : sshd works now |
| 18:08.42 | Skiver | thanks |
| 18:09.37 | elnovato | how to make works, twiced push = 1 click , on touchpad laptop??? |
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| 18:10.43 | paulswm | OK, by request so don't beat me up: <whenIwasYoung> The first program I wrote was on a Royal Navy Ferranti Sirius computer in 1968, and this was the process: You wrote your Usercode program by hand and triple checked it, then typed it in on a teletype which produced 5 hole paper tape, then you took the paper tape into the computer room and the operator put it in the PT reader and toggled it in. You could then pretty much watch the loops executing |
| 18:10.43 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:11.27 | Xemacs | paulproteus, pdp8 ?? |
| 18:11.28 | jcoiron | hello |
| 18:11.34 | elnovato | errr is working already on the new kernel |
| 18:11.37 | Xemacs | paulswm, pdp8 ? |
| 18:11.55 | toresbe | Xemacs: No, PDP-9 |
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| 18:12.35 | Xemacs | paulproteus, i started on pdp4, high spped papertape, and spacewar ;) |
| 18:12.46 | toresbe | Xemacs: hell yeah! :) |
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| 18:13.03 | toresbe | Xemacs: I have a PDP-7 version on paper tape here |
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| 18:13.11 | Xemacs | oh, and dectape |
| 18:13.11 | toresbe | Xemacs: Probably runs on the -4, too :) |
| 18:13.17 | toresbe | Xemacs: Yeah! |
| 18:13.23 | paulswm | old |
| 18:13.50 | Xemacs | <<< 47 still young !! |
| 18:13.58 | sbk | <-- ibm 1130 |
| 18:14.00 | toresbe | <<< 16, so hah !! |
| 18:14.04 | Slate | does anyone know why cardctl ident would not be able to read the manufacturer information? |
| 18:14.06 | toresbe | sbk: seen 1130.org? |
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| 18:14.16 | Xemacs | << ibm 7090 |
| 18:14.18 | sbk | toresbe: nope, *looks* |
| 18:14.31 | toresbe | Xemacs: Oh MAN, a 7090?? |
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| 18:14.45 | elnovato | how to resume and hold on a laptop? |
| 18:14.52 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: 24 yo here. |
| 18:14.55 | Xemacs | turnaround time was quicker then 360 |
| 18:15.05 | paulswm | << like I said, Ferranti Sirius, also known I think as the ICT Sirius |
| 18:15.08 | M4hd1 | hi, i'm compiling a custom kernel and i get lots of unresolved symbols. Could anybody plz help me fixing this? |
| 18:15.23 | M4hd1 | tried to downgrade the kernel source version, but no joy |
| 18:15.43 | elnovato | M4hd1: prolly you have dependecies unsatisfied |
| 18:15.48 | Xemacs | M4hd1, how did you compile ? |
| 18:16.09 | sbk | toresbe: ah, nice. Think you meant www.ibm1130.org, it's very nice. I used it around '83 (back in India, didn't have particularly 'modern' computers at that time) brings back some memories |
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| 18:16.14 | Xemacs | and what kernel ..... |
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| 18:16.19 | toresbe | Xemacs: I have access to a PDP-7 |
| 18:16.23 | toresbe | sbk: cool |
| 18:16.34 | toresbe | Xemacs: Which was binary compatible with the -4 |
| 18:16.36 | dogmeat | anyway to build a .tar.gz file using a single command? |
| 18:16.42 | M4hd1 | Xemacs, make-kpkg --revision 1.0 --append-to-version -custom kernel_image |
| 18:16.57 | toresbe | dogmeat: tar -cvzf tar.tar.gz dir/ |
| 18:16.59 | orchid | dogmeat: tar -zxvf file.tgz folder/ |
| 18:17.04 | Xemacs | dogmeat, tar cvzf ....... |
| 18:17.05 | orchid | oops, c |
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| 18:17.10 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 18:17.12 | M4hd1 | elnovato, how do I check for this? i got everything suggested, recommended and depended from the kernel-source |
| 18:17.32 | toresbe | Xemacs: I powered her up a year ago or so |
| 18:17.43 | elnovato | paste the errors on pastebin |
| 18:18.00 | toresbe | Xemacs: I got core working, and some such nicities, but the CPU was dead like Elvis |
| 18:18.08 | elnovato | M4hd1: why dont you use a stock kernel |
| 18:18.24 | Xemacs | toresbe, write a simulator |
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| 18:18.43 | toresbe | Xemacs: apt-get install simh |
| 18:18.54 | toresbe | Xemacs: /usr/bin/pdp7 :) |
| 18:18.58 | Slate | does anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to read the manufacturer information? |
| 18:19.07 | M4hd1 | elnovato, i did. But got the unresolved symbols. Then tried the debian pkg for 2.6.10. Same thing, tried debian pkg for 2.6.9... but still no good |
| 18:19.14 | iNeo | Can anybody help me with HPT37x Raid 1 support and Sarge. I am unable to boot from the Mirror set :-( |
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| 18:19.44 | guru | is there a trick i should know about mounting freebsd partitions on debian? |
| 18:19.57 | tarzeau | guru: no it just works |
| 18:20.08 | guru | mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 -r /dev/hdd1 /mnt/freebsd will mount the drive, however /mnt/freebsd/usr/ is empty |
| 18:20.36 | guru | and my home directory is located in /usr/home on that install, which is somewhat of a pain |
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| 18:21.17 | nvz | those of you who don't bother with wallops missed the humor there :P |
| 18:21.24 | iNeo | guru: I think you will need another device |
| 18:21.27 | spatulasnout | howdy! I...uh... accidentally renamed /lib to /lib.old ....I still have a root shell open but no commands work... duh :( ... except the shell built-ins. |
| 18:21.30 | guru | i really would prefer not to reboot, burn a dvd, then reboot again but so far that seems to be my only option |
| 18:21.41 | sbk | guru: Just in case you ever decide to go 'the other way', there's problems if you put ext2/3fs in fstab from freebsd |
| 18:21.42 | asg | nvz: :) |
| 18:21.45 | guru | iNeo: i have /deb/hdd and /dev/hdd1 |
| 18:21.54 | sbk | guru: not that I know the answer to your puzzle :) but only a heads-up |
| 18:22.06 | guru | sbk: no not at all, just wanted to get a few rather large files |
| 18:22.18 | guru | in fact, i switched from freebsd to debian sarge :) |
| 18:22.30 | elnovato | movil:/home/steelgunner# apm No APM support in kernel <<<< what the solution??? |
| 18:22.43 | iNeo | I tryed to mount NetBSD slices, and I remember I used other devices |
| 18:22.43 | Xemacs | guru, do they both do dosfs ? |
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| 18:22.44 | Covener | spatulasnout: rescue cd if you can |
| 18:22.48 | sbk | guru: ah, okay. |
| 18:22.49 | guru | compile apm support into your kernel |
| 18:23.01 | nvz | gawd this girl is horrible.. I think its Ashlee Simpson |
| 18:23.01 | guru | Xemacs: what? |
| 18:23.02 | asg | elnovato: or if you have and it's picking up ACPI first, boot with acpi=off |
| 18:23.10 | Covener | spatulasnout: or maybe LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 18:23.18 | spatulasnout | ahh! |
| 18:23.22 | elnovato | asg: where to set that? |
| 18:23.23 | Xemacs | guru is there a common file system they both understand ? |
| 18:23.24 | guru | nvz: nah, ashlee simpson is a great singer because she lip sings ;) |
| 18:23.30 | paulswm | nvz: what the heck are you watching |
| 18:23.33 | guru | Xemacs: freebsd and debian? |
| 18:23.33 | asg | elnovato: in lilo or grub |
| 18:23.38 | Xemacs | yes |
| 18:23.40 | nvz | guru: nope she's singing live here.. and its horrible |
| 18:23.48 | elnovato | okay |
| 18:23.49 | guru | yeah, located in the ufs module |
| 18:23.51 | spatulasnout | Covener: i'll give that a shot... it's a network system on a rack somewhere :) |
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| 18:24.12 | asg | nvz: in your bedroom? |
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| 18:24.48 | guru | ok, i'm about to go slapahoe on my freebsd partition |
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| 18:24.53 | nvz | asg: I wouldnt be chatting if ashlee simpson was here.. I'd be shutting her up |
| 18:25.23 | elnovato | asg: i just add the line "acpi=off" right? to /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 18:25.28 | asg | nvz: turning the volume nobs down then? |
| 18:25.41 | asg | elnovato: at the end of the 'kernel' line in your menu.lst |
| 18:25.48 | guru | finally |
| 18:25.50 | nvz | asg: heh, here little girl, open your mouth again. |
| 18:25.50 | guru | jesus |
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| 18:26.09 | asg | nvz: that's a choking hazard |
| 18:26.12 | iNeo | guru: if /dev/hdd1 is your BSD slice, then hdd2, 3, 4, etc are your BSD filesystems |
| 18:26.16 | Overand | different strokes for different folks |
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| 18:26.28 | guru | iNeo: i only have /dev/hdd and /dev/hdd1 |
| 18:26.39 | Overand | i wouldn't want to migrade from one to another, isn't the bsd naming system different? |
| 18:26.52 | guru | Overand: yes...bsd is unix |
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| 18:26.54 | elnovato | asg: i just added: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro acpi=off , correct? |
| 18:27.03 | asg | elnovato: yes |
| 18:27.15 | guru | freebsd is wonderful as a server, but not so great as a desktop |
| 18:27.19 | iNeo | guru: Is FreeBSD installed on /dev/hdd ? |
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| 18:27.29 | guru | namely cedega doesn't run on it |
| 18:27.29 | asg | guru: it worked as a great desktop on my P200 many moons ago |
| 18:27.31 | guru | iNeo: yes |
| 18:27.42 | iNeo | guru: And is FreeBSD installed in one single file system ? |
| 18:27.46 | spatulasnout | Covener: thanks... sadly, no luck... I wonder if there's any possible way to tell it to look in /lib.old instead of /lib ..... hehe, so ashamed <grin> |
| 18:27.48 | guru | asg: sure it does, but as a windows replacement it sucks |
| 18:27.50 | guru | iNeo: yes |
| 18:28.05 | asg | guru: agreed, at least for playing Windows games |
| 18:28.14 | iNeo | Then hdd1 is your FreeBSD root filesystem |
| 18:28.14 | guru | debian sarge (or sid) -> desktop (and server too), freebsd -> server |
| 18:28.25 | guru | iNeo: exactly |
| 18:28.36 | nvz | eww |
| 18:28.41 | guru | oh well, i got it |
| 18:28.48 | Covener | spatulasnout: none of the LD_ stuff worked out? |
| 18:28.49 | nvz | I just seen the inside of her throat :P |
| 18:29.03 | Covener | spatulasnout: (LIBRARY_PATH, RUN_PATH, PRELOAD) |
| 18:29.16 | guru | i need another monitor...two 17"'s just isn't enough room |
| 18:29.16 | asg | nvz: rule number one, always sit in the back to prevent such things from happening (plus, it's often closer to the bar) |
| 18:29.24 | nvz | she's not even cute she needs to shoot her hair stylist |
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| 18:29.36 | guru | nvz: i'd bone her |
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| 18:29.44 | guru | i wouldn't tell anyone about it, but i'd bone her |
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| 18:30.04 | guru | might need to turn the lights off for that though |
| 18:30.05 | Covener | spatulasnout: or is there a static editor that allows you to edit /etc/ld.so.conf + ldconfig ? |
| 18:30.18 | nvz | that says nothing about her its more your standards and view of yourself. |
| 18:30.24 | greycat | Covener: set LD_LIBRARY_PATH yourself, if you must. |
| 18:30.25 | spatulasnout | Covener: i'd only tried LIBRARY_PATH so far |
| 18:30.30 | nvz | she must have a show I am witnessing |
| 18:30.40 | iNeo | guru: Take a look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+FreeBSD-2.html |
| 18:30.44 | greycat | if setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH does not work, then editing ld.so.conf won't either. |
| 18:30.59 | nvz | this is what happens when you are overprivlaged and can go out and do whatever you want |
| 18:31.09 | greycat | nvz: you mean... like, "adult"? :) |
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| 18:31.14 | iNeo | Can anybody help me with HPT37x Raid 1 support and Sarge. I am unable to boot from the Mirror set :-( |
| 18:31.30 | paulswm | spatulasnout: when you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, you did export it, I assume |
| 18:31.37 | nvz | no like someone rich will pay for you do be a star without any talent |
| 18:31.46 | spatulasnout | paulswm: yes, did export |
| 18:31.53 | Blissex | iNeo: not surprising, it it not necessarily trivial. First question: are you aware that the HPT does not really do HW RAID? |
| 18:32.07 | iNeo | Blissex: I know |
| 18:32.20 | Ikarus | Linux software raid beats the HPT in performance and CPU efficiency |
| 18:32.27 | iNeo | Blissex: But is it possible tp boot from it ? |
| 18:32.28 | nvz | its obvious she doesnt have what it takes to last even one night of a tour. |
| 18:32.28 | paulswm | spatulasnout: what shell are you in |
| 18:32.37 | spatulasnout | paulswm: bash |
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| 18:33.17 | Blissex | iNeo: I think with exactly the right kernel and kernel patches it is possible. |
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| 18:33.41 | nvz | and she's got a tv show now advertising to the world that she cant handle it.. how else would this happen. girls are going on american idol singing better than her and getting made fun of and booed off stage |
| 18:34.08 | Blissex | iNeo: but I am not sure. The most recent version of the Device Mapper in 2.6.x-y do support at least _some_ RAID modes on software RAID cards... |
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| 18:34.39 | SaBorVaGo | who can help me ? |
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| 18:34.52 | iNeo | Blissex: When I boot from an other disk and load the right modules I am able to mount /dev/ataraid/disc0/part1 for example |
| 18:34.59 | greycat | SaBorVaGo: dpkg can. |
| 18:35.04 | caphuso | SaBorVaGo: nobody, if you don't ask a question |
| 18:35.08 | SaBorVaGo | ? |
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| 18:35.23 | iNeo | But setting root=/dev/ataraid/disc0/part in lilo.conf isn' working |
| 18:35.27 | Blissex | iNeo: thats good news, so what you need now is a nice 'initrd' with those right modules, or compile them into the kernel. |
| 18:35.50 | SaBorVaGo | damn come on guys |
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| 18:36.13 | valdyn | !help |
| 18:36.13 | iNeo | Blissex: but I use the same initrd I only tell the kernel to use another root device |
| 18:36.47 | Blissex | iNeo: that's not going to work. The kernel needs to know the maj and min numbers for '/dev/ataraid/disc0/part1' |
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| 18:37.27 | iNeo | Blissex: any idea how to find out the maj and minor |
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| 18:37.49 | Blissex | iNeo: what you should read is the boot-from-RAID HOWTO, it explains the various steps necessary to ensure the kernel on boot knows how to mount the root. |
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| 18:37.58 | markybob | anyone aware of a comprehensive list of large companies using linux on the desktop? |
| 18:38.08 | Blissex | iNeo: to find major/minor 'ls -ld /dev/ataraid/disc0/part1' |
| 18:38.13 | dondelelcaro | iNeo: look at Documentation/devices.txt; or man MAKEDEV; |
| 18:38.22 | SaBorVaGo | <SaBorVaGo> ok my problem its with knoppix 3.7 |
| 18:38.22 | SaBorVaGo | <SaBorVaGo> the thing is that when i try to connect with kpp it just gets stuck in initializin modem |
| 18:38.28 | iNeo | Blissex: Isn' this only explaining Software Raid from Liux |
| 18:38.34 | nvz | tv is evil, they play the same dumb stuff over and over.. the technology is out there to bring you origional and interesting content, though if that ever happened, you wouldnt spend hours surfing 10's or 100's of channels looking for something good on. thus being exposed to all their advertising feces |
| 18:38.36 | Overand | SaBorVaGo: #knoppix |
| 18:38.38 | dvs | SaBorVaGo: #knoppix |
| 18:38.39 | dondelelcaro | SaBorVaGo: knoppix questions are asked in #knoppix. See /topic |
| 18:38.40 | SaBorVaGo | mmmmmm |
| 18:38.42 | iNeo | dondelelcaro: Tnx |
| 18:38.43 | SaBorVaGo | =/ |
| 18:38.48 | SaBorVaGo | thankx |
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| 18:38.50 | guru | checking for gettext in -lintl... no |
| 18:38.58 | guru | does anyone know what the package name ofr that is? |
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| 18:39.07 | dondelelcaro | guru: libintl probably |
| 18:39.16 | SaBorVaGo | =s |
| 18:39.21 | greycat | -dev |
| 18:39.27 | cocozz | Hi , debian installation doesnt offers Realtek 8139too eth0 cards module support ?? |
| 18:39.30 | guru | gettext-dev? |
| 18:40.02 | dondelelcaro | cocozz: uh, yes it does. |
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| 18:40.15 | cocozz | I dont see it lol :S |
| 18:40.19 | dondelelcaro | cocozz: but only the sarge d-i; those modules werent' in the kernel when woody released, iirc. |
| 18:40.19 | guru | the only thing i see in apt-cache is either perl or ruby related |
| 18:40.37 | cocozz | hmm |
| 18:41.24 | toresbe | What movie is the "Gibson" from? |
| 18:41.26 | toresbe | Hackers? |
| 18:41.28 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: hackers |
| 18:41.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:41.31 | toresbe | ah |
| 18:41.41 | dondelelcaro | guru: it's probably gettext... libintl seems to only be part of uclib |
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| 18:41.53 | dondelelcaro | s/uclib/uclibc/ |
| 18:41.55 | Jax | what's the apt-get to emerge world again ? |
| 18:41.58 | Jax | apt-get world ? |
| 18:42.02 | Jax | apt-get update world? |
| 18:42.05 | dondelelcaro | Jax: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 18:42.13 | Jax | that will update the whole system? |
| 18:42.13 | toresbe | Last time I watched the movie I got noxious and had to stop |
| 18:42.13 | dondelelcaro | Jax: man apt-get; and stop inventing syntax. |
| 18:42.23 | toresbe | Jax: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:43.13 | ricky_clarkson | Jax: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:43.25 | ricky_clarkson | toresbe: dondelelcaro: upgrade is useless, use dist-upgrade |
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| 18:43.33 | paulswm | spatulasnout: in theory, stuff in /usr/bin shouln't be using /lib, so perhaps there's somthing in /usr/bin which you can use, not sure though. "link" is in there, but it'll only hard-link files, not directories |
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| 18:43.50 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: no, it's not. You have to understand what dist-upgrade does before running it blindly. |
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| 18:44.15 | toresbe | ricky_clarkson: eek, right, sorry |
| 18:44.15 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: quite often dist-upgrade is not what you actually want to run. |
| 18:44.17 | guru | hmm...right above that i get: Have libintl.h but no usable gettext! |
| 18:44.25 | toresbe | Jax: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade #:) |
| 18:44.33 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: But usually it is. |
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| 18:44.36 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: in what case would that be? |
| 18:44.45 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: not if you're running sid or sarge it isn't. |
| 18:44.52 | WiFiTux | is there a way, so that I can mount one of my /music folders in apache instead of ftp? |
| 18:45.01 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Why? |
| 18:45.03 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes |
| 18:45.06 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: in the case where upgrading would cause the removal of half of the packages that you want, for example. |
| 18:45.09 | WiFiTux | abrotman: :) ? |
| 18:45.16 | abrotman | i think .. if i'm undersatnding you right |
| 18:45.21 | abrotman | WiFiTux: you want an alias |
| 18:45.25 | greycat | WiFiTux: apacje does not "mount" things. |
| 18:45.30 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: because dependencies aren't always completely satisfiable on sid. Sometimes they're not even satisfiable on sarge. |
| 18:45.55 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Well, you'd obviously read the package lists and hold certain packages if upgrading them would cause problems. |
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| 18:46.20 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: holding it isn't what you do. You use apt-get upgrade; then you apt-get install the specific packages that you really want to upgrade. |
| 18:46.31 | nvz | aguing this upgrade thing right up to the moot point eh? |
| 18:46.40 | cocozz | With a firewall between the router and the switch , What IP do I need for the firewall ? :S |
| 18:46.58 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: or better, you use something like aptitude, dselect, or synaptic that is capable of actually installing what you want installed without removing things that you want installed. |
| 18:47.02 | WiFiTux | greycat: it's just a saying. Can I put an index of files in http instead of ftp. |
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| 18:47.18 | greycat | WiFiTux: yes. of course. |
| 18:47.34 | nvz | that reminds me I got some more stuff to do here... stuff I should have done yesturday or months ago :P |
| 18:47.51 | WiFiTux | greycat: duh! of course. I'm stupid! I just have to ln -s a /var/www/music to the music foldere!? :| |
| 18:47.54 | greycat | if you have a directory full of files somewhere inside the DocumentRoot, with no index.* in it, then apache serves up a nice little directory listing by default (unless you told it not to) |
| 18:48.05 | greycat | WiFiTux: yes, that works too. |
| 18:48.19 | dondelelcaro | (or no file matching DirectoryIndex blabblahblah...) |
| 18:48.26 | WiFiTux | greycat: yeah... :| haha I have used it before, I dunno why I asked... |
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| 18:50.12 | greycat | that's one *odd* quotation in dead|shell's quit message. |
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| 18:50.26 | asg | greycat: you wonder it's from |
| 18:50.29 | aharth | anybody knows an xml viewer deb package? |
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| 18:50.38 | greycat | asg: probably some misanthropic Catholic clergy type. |
| 18:50.39 | asg | aharth: less |
| 18:50.40 | greycat | just a guess. |
| 18:50.44 | dondelelcaro | aharth: firefox can view xml, as can any pager. |
| 18:50.48 | asg | greycat: possibly |
| 18:50.51 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: That strategy would mean that you wouldn't be likely to get anything new from base. |
| 18:50.58 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: what is the meaning of your nick? In spanish it means, Donde el Caro, which is Where the Expensive. |
| 18:51.09 | greycat | misogynistic, too. |
| 18:51.16 | aharth | asg, dondelelcaro: need some tree structure like in ie |
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| 18:51.25 | ricky_clarkson | WiFiTux: You missed out an 'l' |
| 18:51.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell WiFiTux about meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 18:51.52 | asg | aharth: then firefox should work. |
| 18:52.07 | aharth | asg: ok, i'll try |
| 18:52.18 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 18:52.27 | ricky_clarkson | I did /msg WiFiTux meaning of dondelelcaro |
| 18:52.28 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 18:52.29 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: nah, you can always get new things from base. You see that they're held back, then you apt-get install foopkg; |
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| 18:52.43 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: it's just much finer grained than apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 18:53.09 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro: I'll stick with my translation... :) |
| 18:53.14 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: I think I'd apt-get dist-upgrade, examine the lists, then apt-get upgrade and then apt-get install |
| 18:53.18 | dondelelcaro | obviously, if you know what dist-upgrade does, use it when it's appropriate... but someone talking about apt-get emerge world; is totally fucking lost, and needs to read documentation before using dist-ugprade |
| 18:53.22 | elnovato | i did apm -s , the laptop went to sleeep, but he never came back to awake!!, whats the workaround? |
| 18:53.34 | asg | elnovato: tuxmobile.org |
| 18:53.36 | ricky_clarkson | elnovato: Don't do apm -s |
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| 18:54.00 | ricky_clarkson | It hurts when I do this. Don't do that then! |
| 18:54.04 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: I personally use something like aptitude... much better about resolving that sort of thing |
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| 18:54.08 | elnovato | ricky_clarkson: the gnome batery manager did |
| 18:54.21 | ricky_clarkson | elnovato: You can configure that, iirc. |
| 18:54.22 | dondelelcaro | apt-get really is just a test frontend for liapt |
| 18:54.25 | dondelelcaro | s/liapt/libapt/ |
| 18:54.37 | WiFiTux | greycat: I was told by my ISP that there is a Virus in the Network... Is that shit possible? Supposedly that is causing the aDSL CPE's to reboot or have trouble... |
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| 18:55.01 | greycat | WiFiTux: that would more technically be a worm |
| 18:55.08 | greycat | whether it's true, I don't know. |
| 18:55.42 | ricky_clarkson | WiFiTux: Only individual things can be infected. An Ethernet cable cannot be, so saying a network is infected is meaningless |
| 18:55.47 | zenlunatic | Is javascript a free language? |
| 18:55.52 | ricky_clarkson | zenlunatic: Yes. |
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| 18:56.07 | greycat | evil, but free. |
| 18:56.08 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: dunno... someone could infect the switches... |
| 18:56.29 | zenlunatic | Why aren't forums.debian.net big? |
| 18:56.40 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: There's something called JSON, which seems like a non-evil derivative of JS. Also, you can use it for non-HTML stuff. |
| 18:56.54 | nvz | oh boy, I get to play the guess which transformer to use with this charger game.. I ruled out 4, 3 marked Motorolla, and one marked Nokia.. I got 6 unmarked here that all have the right jack and somewhere around the output I imagine this charger to require |
| 18:56.58 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Yes, so you say "the switches are infected". |
| 18:57.15 | WiFiTux | ricky_clarkson: that is exactly what I said! But could it be making the network slower and making congestion and causing it? probably.. |
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| 18:57.34 | jvw | zenlunatic: because it just didn't gain momentum yet? |
| 18:57.37 | Midkniht | I have debian linux 3r4 and just installed it and everything works ok but my network, what is the command for the debian network configuration editor |
| 18:57.43 | ricky_clarkson | WiFiTux: Yes, of course it could. |
| 18:57.43 | jvw | zenlunatic: one cannot 'order' people to go to forums :) |
| 18:57.52 | greycat | !FAQ Midkniht |
| 18:58.01 | Midkniht | !FAQ |
| 18:58.02 | dpkg | Midkniht: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.02 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:58.08 | greycat | laggy bot. |
| 18:58.10 | zenlunatic | jvw It has been a year or so... |
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| 18:58.12 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson: hey, if you want to argue that the switches, routers aren't the network but the cables are, that's your deal... ;-) |
| 18:58.15 | ricky_clarkson | With a decent mail client, a mailing list is as good as a forum, imo. |
| 18:58.19 | WiFiTux | ricky_clarkson: then probably that is what is happening... and all the Windox users are being fried :) |
| 18:58.22 | jvw | zenlunatic: not really, it's quite new |
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| 18:58.27 | dondelelcaro | (and bridges, of course) |
| 18:58.27 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: they serve different roles. |
| 18:58.30 | yeste | hi all !! |
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| 18:58.48 | ricky_clarkson | WiFiTux: Turn off all the Windows boxes, and see how the network performs. |
| 18:58.51 | nvz | hah, they actually had the power rating on the bottom, I just missed it cause its printed in like 5pt font |
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| 18:59.04 | yeste | im trying to set my gnome resolution to 1280x1024, but i dont have the option on gnome-control-panel |
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| 18:59.14 | yeste | i've activated the option on the Xfree configuration |
| 18:59.19 | yeste | how can i enable it? |
| 18:59.21 | elnovato | soo how may i do sleep and resume? |
| 18:59.22 | ricky_clarkson | yeste: Ctrl-Alt-NumPadPlus |
| 18:59.23 | jvw | zenlunatic: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=225 |
| 18:59.24 | Blissex | yeste: you may have to change the config for the X server... |
| 18:59.35 | nvz | oh well that makes it easier.. I only got one thats 6vdc 300ma and +center |
| 18:59.36 | yeste | Blissex: already done |
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| 18:59.49 | Blissex | yeste: have you _restarted_ the server? |
| 19:00.00 | yeste | yea |
| 19:00.03 | henrik_ | Hmmm... I have problems installing my soundcard C-Media 8738pci! Does anyone here now what to do! |
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| 19:00.21 | greycat | that's one of the ISA PnP ones, isn't it? |
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| 19:00.31 | greycat | or is that cmpci? |
| 19:00.35 | yeste | gnome allows me different resolution than the xconfiguration ones |
| 19:00.47 | henrik_ | greycat: Yes it's a cmpci |
| 19:01.04 | WiFiTux | ricky_clarkson: I mean, other people Windows boxes getting infected and propagating aswell? me windows boxes? hell no.. |
| 19:01.06 | greycat | ok then. modprobe cmpci && echo cmpci >> /etc/modules && adduser $LOGNAME audio |
| 19:01.18 | elnovato | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.33 | valentinos | any _easy_ way to setup my sd card ? |
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| 19:02.41 | zenlunatic | jvw They should not allow guest posts. More people would register that way. |
| 19:02.49 | asg | valentinos: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:02.59 | valdyn | yeste: it may be that X is not finding a mode in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that is 1280x1024 and still within the frequencie limits you set for your display when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:03.06 | meff | is there anything i can toggle in debian's init stuff so that services get started at nice 10? |
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| 19:03.34 | jvw | zenlunatic: but it'd limit contributions. Just number of registred users doesn't matter |
| 19:03.37 | Blissex | meff: not so easily... You can however, at your own risk, edit the startup script. |
| 19:03.38 | asg | meff: man start-stop-daemon (make modifications as appropriate) |
| 19:03.58 | jvw | zenlunatic: why would someone care for just number of registered users? Contributions is what matters |
| 19:04.16 | henrik_ | greycat: The answer was "FATAL: module off not found" |
| 19:04.35 | yeste | valdyn: i've in the x configuration 1280x1024 1152x864 and 1024x768 and gnome offers me 1024x768 and smaller |
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| 19:05.28 | tobehz | oops :o |
| 19:05.58 | valentinos | i don't have the "sd" module |
| 19:06.17 | henrik_ | greycat: Do you have a clue what the problem might be? |
| 19:06.21 | valdyn | yeste: you also have a max horizontal and a max vertical frequency for your display in your XF86Config-4 |
| 19:06.26 | greycat | henrik_: uh... you tried to run "modprobe off", apparently. |
| 19:06.30 | greycat | that would cause that message. |
| 19:06.40 | Blissex | yeste: check the X server log to see whether the 1x80x1024 config was validated '/var/log/XFree86.0.log' |
| 19:06.45 | greycat | why you would type that command, I cannot guess. |
| 19:06.54 | nvz | gah, I just pried a glider off this mouse and I have no idea where it flew to |
| 19:07.01 | henrik_ | greycat: Nope, copied your response and pasted it in the terminal window... |
| 19:07.19 | yeste | valdyn: yeah, 30-61 50-120 |
| 19:07.27 | greycat | pretend for a moment that I'm in 10 different channels and that I have *no* idea what command I gave you. |
| 19:07.44 | elnovato | any clue? |
| 19:07.49 | henrik_ | aokaze: it was " |
| 19:08.05 | henrik_ | greycat: modprobe cmpci && echo cmpci >> /etc/modules && adduser $LOGNAME audio |
| 19:08.16 | greycat | hmm. |
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| 19:08.24 | yeste | OH! problem. hsync out of range. Cant my monitor support that resolution ??? |
| 19:08.30 | greycat | then you must have "alias cmpci off" in /etc/modutils/* and/or /etc/modules.conf |
| 19:08.44 | valdyn | yeste: probably not enough for one of the modelines in XF86Config |
| 19:08.46 | guru | greycat: gettext is installed however i am still getting "checking for gettext in -lintl... no" and "Have libintl.h but no usable gettext!"...any idea what i'm missing? |
| 19:08.58 | greycat | guru: read config.log and see. |
| 19:09.21 | valdyn | yeste: the 61 may not be enough... |
| 19:09.44 | nvz | hmm the battery terminals on this mouse are all corroded.. I guess I am gonna have to emprovise |
| 19:09.46 | yeste | valdyn: that 61 appears on the monitor specifications |
| 19:09.57 | Xemacs | how do i add lba partition to grub ? |
| 19:10.11 | henrik_ | greycat: That's right! |
| 19:10.24 | mick_laptop | i have an OT question, has anyone ever compared using Citrix with ssh and X forwarding? I only use one App and i'm currently using citrix only i figure that ssh might be faster |
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| 19:10.47 | greycat | henrik_: if you edit /etc/modutils/* then you must run update-modules |
| 19:11.17 | Blissex | mick_laptop: depends a lot on the application. Odds are Citrix is way faster... |
| 19:11.31 | mick_laptop | its a DOS app |
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| 19:11.53 | mick_laptop | a DOS app on win ts |
| 19:11.58 | suzzi | hello all, quick apache quesion. I'm trying to set up user dir's but everytime that I try to connect from a diffrent box I get a connecton refused error? |
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| 19:12.11 | greycat | !connection refused |
| 19:12.11 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 19:12.15 | suzzi | it's just ~user that bombs though so apache is up |
| 19:12.25 | mick_laptop | Blissex: i've tested vnc vs citrix and citrix is faster |
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| 19:12.36 | valdyn | yeste: this would give you a refresh rate of 59hz, probably not what you want, but the point is that theres no modeline supporting such a mode at this low refresh rate in your XF86Config-4 |
| 19:13.15 | yeste | valdyn: so, what can i do? |
| 19:13.25 | nvz | I wish I had a multimeter to know how bad this corrosion is. |
| 19:13.41 | Blissex | mick_laptop: remote uncompressed X is pretty slow. Check 'dxpc' or the newer 'NX' for compressing the X protocol, that might be well faster than VNC or Citrix. |
| 19:14.25 | mick_laptop | Blissex: the idea was to tunnel it through a secure line |
| 19:14.25 | mick_laptop | something like ssh |
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| 19:14.30 | Blissex | mick_laptop: check indeed 'dxpc' or NX.... |
| 19:14.37 | petemc | Blissex: freenx is pretty good, not sure if it would be bfaster than citrix tho |
| 19:14.41 | mick_laptop | i will |
| 19:14.41 | valdyn | yeste: i recommend using a smaller resolution, but if you insist on using 1280x1024. "apt-get install videogen", generate a modeline with that tool and paste it into your XF86Config-4. |
| 19:14.42 | mick_laptop | thanks |
| 19:14.44 | Blissex | mick_laptop: you can run those over a secure line. |
| 19:15.00 | elnovato | mick_laptop: are you running suspend and resume?? |
| 19:15.04 | yeste | ok, thx valdyn :) |
| 19:15.15 | Raf256 | how can I check on with level given script is in init.d/? |
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| 19:15.31 | greycat | Raf256: ls /etc/rc*.d |
| 19:15.33 | Raf256 | or - on with level I should install firewall script... 40? 50? |
| 19:15.33 | valdyn | yeste: all that assumes however that your gfx card does indeed support that mode. |
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| 19:16.00 | mick_laptop | elnovato: on the server? don't know |
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| 19:16.06 | mick_laptop | it is 3000 miles away :) |
| 19:16.07 | asg | Raf256: it's often better to call firewall scripts as a pre-up in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:16.47 | elnovato | mick_laptop: on your laptop |
| 19:17.02 | henrik_ | greycat: Hm, checked out both locations, commented both lines, ran "update-modules" but still "Module off not found." Any other places an alias could be? |
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| 19:17.49 | greycat | henrik_: double check /etc/modules.conf after the update-modules command. |
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| 19:18.05 | mick_laptop | elnovato: depends |
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| 19:18.12 | greycat | henrik_: try recursively searching in /etc/modutils/ ... or if you're in 2.6.x, All bets are Off. |
| 19:18.17 | hazzern | i cant find db3 on the debian distro |
| 19:18.20 | MrKrystal | hi. I found that the version 7.xx of flash player is totally broken. Is there a way to download old 6.x flash player with .deb packages (i know non official repositories !) ? |
| 19:18.21 | mick_laptop | elnovato: why |
| 19:18.24 | greycat | !find libdb3 |
| 19:18.25 | hazzern | whats the name of the package |
| 19:18.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libdb3' (8 shown): libdb3 ;; libdb3++-dev ;; libdb3++c102 ;; libdb3-dev ;; libdb3-ruby1.6 ;; libdb3-ruby1.8 ;; libdb3-tcl ;; libdb3-util. |
| 19:18.31 | greycat | boy, that's hard. |
| 19:18.33 | Raf256 | Ive got a script if-off.sh that blocks everything on iptables (so that no packages are allowed while the system is still loading), and if-on.sh that setups my firewall. what would be best commend to add both scripts? |
| 19:18.51 | abrotman | !tell hazzern about search |
| 19:18.58 | Raf256 | something like update-rc.d defaults 50 if-off.sj if-on.sh but with better choose of levels |
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| 19:19.21 | guru | conftest.c(.text+0x1c): undefined reference to `gettext' |
| 19:19.37 | greycat | don't use a *command* to add symlinks to /etc/rc*.d directories. Just bloody *go* there and ln -s it yourself by hand. |
| 19:19.40 | guru | ok, so i need the development gettext package, but i can't find it |
| 19:19.51 | henrik_ | greycat: I'm using 2.6.8 |
| 19:20.04 | hazzern | abrotman i'm using dselect ;) |
| 19:20.05 | greycat | henrik_: ugh. there's probably some Bloody Stupid Special Two Point Six Thing. |
| 19:20.06 | Raf256 | greycat- isnt using update-rc the correct way of doing this?? |
| 19:20.15 | greycat | Raf256: only if you're a shell script. |
| 19:20.19 | greycat | normal people use ln -s and rm. |
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| 19:20.29 | asg | Raf256: what version of debian are you using? |
| 19:20.29 | abrotman | hazzern: so what? |
| 19:20.32 | mick_laptop | guru: apt-cache search gettext |
| 19:20.35 | Raf256 | uhm.. so how do I place that link? |
| 19:20.37 | Raf256 | asg- sarge |
| 19:20.38 | greycat | ln -s |
| 19:20.47 | hazzern | so it shoud find it shoudnt it ? |
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| 19:21.18 | asg | Raf256: then use ln -s or zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz (for other recommended methods of doing firewall stuff) |
| 19:21.19 | Raf256 | I know ln -s, but to what name link it? |
| 19:21.22 | guru | mick_laptop: i have |
| 19:21.29 | henrik_ | greycat: So, do you have any idea what we could do? |
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| 19:22.12 | guru | gettext and gettext-base are both installed |
| 19:22.23 | guru | those are the only relevant ones i see |
| 19:22.30 | greycat | henrik_: grep -r cmpci /etc | less |
| 19:22.42 | jaybuffet | does anyone here have debian installed on a cobalt qube2? |
| 19:22.46 | greycat | "grep -r foo /etc" is one of the more useful power-tools |
| 19:24.26 | kaiowa | i am tring to compile the kernel 2.10 but when i type make xconfig, i get unable to found the QT installation, any help plz?? |
| 19:24.42 | asg | kaiowa: /msg dpkg xconfig |
| 19:24.46 | dvs | kaiowa: Wow! Where can I get 2.10!?! |
| 19:24.57 | kaiowa | 2.6.10 |
| 19:24.57 | kirbymeister | okay, I plugged up my USB drive into my computer, and I start copying files, then the thing unmounts, and it's device disappears from /dev (i'm using udev, and I cant unstall it and keep GNOME) |
| 19:25.00 | kaiowa | :) |
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| 19:25.13 | greycat | !FAQ kaiowa |
| 19:25.13 | dpkg | kaiowa: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:25.35 | greycat | kirbymeister: you *can* uninstall it and keep the rest of gnome. |
| 19:25.44 | henrik_ | greycat: Cheers, man! |
| 19:25.45 | kirbymeister | greycat: APT wont let me |
| 19:25.53 | greycat | just because it removes the "gnome" metapackage doesn't mean it removes gnome-session and gnome-panel and gnome-rub-my-wifes-feet and so on. |
| 19:26.01 | Blissex | strubbel: check out 'diald' |
| 19:26.03 | greycat | !info gnome sarge |
| 19:26.06 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 62 (sarge), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 19:26.10 | greycat | it's a 16 kB placeholder. |
| 19:26.17 | strubbel | Blissex: ok |
| 19:26.20 | kirbymeister | hrm... let's see... |
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| 19:26.43 | ralfWORK | curious as to why jboss isnt in Sarge |
| 19:26.46 | ralfWORK | is it that new? |
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| 19:26.54 | greycat | sounds javaish. |
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| 19:26.59 | ralfWORK | yes it is |
| 19:27.02 | ribnitz | hello.. |
| 19:27.07 | greycat | well, that would probably have something to do with it. |
| 19:27.10 | kirbymeister | it's demanding I uninstall gnome, gnome-desktop-environment and gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:27.20 | henrik_ | greycat: Now it said "Adding user 'henrik' to group audio....Done" But the sound still not working :( |
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| 19:27.23 | greycat | kirbymeister: can you live without the volume manager? |
| 19:27.24 | ribnitz | whats the closest I can get to a 1:1 copy of a DVD? |
| 19:27.26 | ralfWORK | greycat: how so? licensing? |
| 19:27.29 | nksen | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.347 ms (DUP!) <--- what does this DUP! mean? |
| 19:27.30 | hazzern | k i'm trying to upgrade XFree86 ;) |
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| 19:27.32 | greycat | henrik_: logout and back in |
| 19:27.35 | hazzern | what all do i need to download ? |
| 19:27.40 | Blissex | ribnitz: depends on the type of DVD. |
| 19:27.42 | zeeble | henrik_: logout and login |
| 19:27.46 | hazzern | from 4.x onwards to 4.3 |
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| 19:27.48 | kirbymeister | greycat: It's also going to uninstall gnome-desktop-environment as well |
| 19:27.52 | greycat | ralfWORK: yes. no free java virtual machine exists that can handle all the things Sun Java RE can. |
| 19:27.58 | henrik_ | greycat: Will try that, thanks! |
| 19:28.01 | greycat | kirbymeister: so? |
| 19:28.07 | ribnitz | Blissex: movie |
| 19:28.09 | zeeble | kirbymeister: let it. gnome-desktop-environment is only a meta package. |
| 19:28.13 | ralfWORK | grey: but tomcat is part of it... |
| 19:28.16 | kirbymeister | yet another metapackage... |
| 19:28.18 | Blissex | ribnitz: not terribly easy... |
| 19:28.26 | greycat | !java licensing |
| 19:28.26 | dpkg | read the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns |
| 19:28.27 | ribnitz | Blissex: I am talking about dvd-5s.. |
| 19:28.27 | ralfWORK | (sarge that is) |
| 19:28.32 | ralfWORK | thank you |
| 19:28.45 | kirbymeister | We dont use java because it's not free software |
| 19:28.52 | kirbymeister | And by free I mean freedom |
| 19:28.53 | Blissex | ribnitz: still not terribly easy. DVD-Video is in a peculiar format. |
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| 19:29.22 | ribnitz | Blissex: supposing I have the 5GB free on a disk? |
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| 19:30.09 | Blissex | ribnitz: I am not sure, but I think you cannot just do something like a block-by-block copy of a DVD-Video and expect it to work, but you can try. |
| 19:30.11 | ribnitz | Blissex: I also have libdvdcss... etc. |
| 19:30.27 | Blissex | ribnitz: however, there are several DVD-video extractor programs. |
| 19:30.37 | ribnitz | Blissex: for linux? |
| 19:30.40 | Blissex | ribnitz: these do not do an image copy, but a filesystem copy |
| 19:30.56 | Blissex | ribnitz: yes, for Linux, and there are Debian packages for them. |
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| 19:31.25 | ribnitz | Blissex: what I meant with 1:1 copy is "DVD with index markings, titles etc", to "dvd looking the same" |
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| 19:31.46 | grivell | 0:- |
| 19:31.52 | grivell | doh |
| 19:31.57 | grivell | Slipped. :) |
| 19:31.59 | Blissex | ribnitz: check 'vobcopy' to see if it would do what you want. I think it does. |
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| 19:32.32 | ribnitz | Blissex: iirc it will leave out the index markings, and just copy thwe film. |
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| 19:32.49 | Brubbolo | hello, i have a problme whit the keyboard, it lag a lot, is a normal it, the kernel is 2.6.10, anybody can help me? |
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| 19:33.21 | nvz | I think I should have chose something less corrosive than acetone to clean this with :P |
| 19:33.41 | henrik_ | greycat: Back again. My soundcard still doesn't work... |
| 19:34.55 | ribnitz | Blissex: the -m option might do it though. |
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| 19:35.22 | ribnitz | Do I have largefile support on the normal linux kernel images? |
| 19:35.35 | Blissex | ribnitz: perhaps -- cant remember, but in general 'vobcopy' does everything. |
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| 19:35.48 | henrik_ | greycat: Are you still here? |
| 19:35.55 | ribnitz | like 5G on an XFS? |
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| 19:36.12 | Blissex | ribnitz: almost all recent distros have klernels and libc with large file support. What matters is the filesystem, and XFS IIRC does support large files... (very large files...) |
| 19:36.14 | grivell | ribnitz: dvdbackup and dvdauthor. Check Marillat's for them |
| 19:36.54 | jetscreamer | have a ups if you use xfs |
| 19:37.03 | grivell | lol |
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| 19:37.12 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 19:37.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:37.21 | guru | i've searched *everywhere* for information on using gettext() in a c program on debian with nothing...there doesn't seem to be *any* package that provides it |
| 19:37.27 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 19:37.28 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 19:37.33 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: so what FS would you propose for the new partition? |
| 19:37.34 | strubbel | Blissex: that's exactly what i wanted :) |
| 19:37.35 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 19:37.39 | greycat | No manual entry for gettext in section 3 |
| 19:37.50 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, for what purpose is the partition |
| 19:38.07 | jetscreamer | i just got here |
| 19:38.12 | joebob2000 | what is it that magically allows a wheelmouse to work? im using deb sarge testing and it seems to randomly work or not every other boot, its a logi usb mouse. |
| 19:38.20 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: copying films, or audio. general purpose /home extension. |
| 19:38.21 | Raf256 | !pl |
| 19:38.21 | dpkg | from memory, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss" |
| 19:38.36 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: its 250G.. |
| 19:38.51 | pipeline | joebob2000: hotplug usually loads usbhid + hiddev or mousedev modules |
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| 19:38.53 | Blissex | strubbel: good, good. |
| 19:39.01 | asg | greycat: gettext-base: usr/share/man/man3/gettext.3.gz |
| 19:39.02 | pipeline | joebob2000: "randomly work or not every other boot" sounds like a hardware problem, though. |
| 19:39.03 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: and yes, I like my data. so no fat32 |
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| 19:39.15 | Blissex | guru: # dlocate /usr/bin/gettext |
| 19:39.16 | Blissex | gettext-base: /usr/bin/gettext |
| 19:39.24 | MaxeyPad | for whatever reason my /etc/hosts file entries do not work. what configuration issues would cause this. basically i'm trying to make some static host entries for rsync |
| 19:39.33 | joebob2000 | well that was ambiguous, the *wheel* does or doesnt work intermittently, the mouse is always fine |
| 19:39.40 | asg | MaxeyPad: a bad /etc/nsswitch.conf perhaps? |
| 19:39.53 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, whatever... jfs or xfs might give you better performance like i guess they were saying, jfs is cool... i'd look around and read about the different fs's though first. |
| 19:39.54 | MaxeyPad | hosts: files dns |
| 19:39.58 | MaxeyPad | thats whats in the file |
| 19:39.58 | pipeline | ribnitz: If you need to share files with Windows NT, use ext2 or ext3. If you need it for general use with extremely large files, use ext2, ext3, or XFS. |
| 19:40.04 | asg | MaxeyPad: then that's correct |
| 19:40.06 | gilles_ | how to configure the file /interfaces so that if the connection is lost, and then comes back after a while, linux automatically gets reconnected ? |
| 19:40.13 | kirbymeister | okay, I uninstalled udev but I still cant find /dev/sda |
| 19:40.14 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: if could be permissions of '/etc/hosts' |
| 19:40.15 | Brubbolo | anybody can help me? CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y CONFIG_INPUT=y N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" i have a problme whit the keyboard, it lag a lot, is a normal it, the kernel is 2.6.10, anybody can help me? |
| 19:40.18 | asg | MaxeyPad: paste *one* line from /etc/hosts |
| 19:40.21 | guru | Blissex: ok, nice...that's the binary, what about the gettext() implementation for c? |
| 19:40.24 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: any idea how those fses scale? |
| 19:40.25 | joebob2000 | isnt it the zaxis binding in my X config that sets the wheel up to work? |
| 19:40.28 | pipeline | ribnitz: I can personally vouch for XFS performance with extremely large files :) |
| 19:40.41 | kirbymeister | do I need to reboot? |
| 19:40.44 | ribnitz | pipeline: any experience with JFS? |
| 19:40.46 | henrik_ | I've got a problem with my soundcard (C-Media cmpci), running kernel 2.6.8. I've used modprobe with success, but it still isn't working. Anyone have a clue what could be wrong? |
| 19:40.56 | asg | henrik_: mixer settings are mutted? |
| 19:41.03 | MaxeyPad | 192.168.0.111 ucc-web-2.lan ucc-web-2 (this is the 2nd line...the first one is huge) |
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| 19:41.04 | pipeline | ribnitz: I flirted with JFS a couple years ago; it's never been very popular. I haven't used it since. |
| 19:41.05 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: or it could be that you need to restart the program affected. '/etc/hosts' is read only once when the program starts IIRC. |
| 19:41.07 | ribnitz | henrik_: got the alsa modules? |
| 19:41.07 | jetscreamer | ribnitz have a ups if you go xfs |
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| 19:41.41 | henrik_ | ribnitz: Yep, but alsaconf couldn't find the sound card. |
| 19:41.41 | Blissex | ribnitz: not used either XFS or JFS, but from several reviews it looks like they are both good, but JFS has an edge in both reliability and performance. |
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| 19:41.47 | pipeline | ribnitz: Yes, definitely have a UPS. XFS recovery tools require a rescue disc; there's no simple equivalent for fsck. Also, there's the possibility of losing data (although I never have) |
| 19:41.55 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: I know it doesnt like sudden power failures and is prone to internal dumping of nonsense in such cases. |
| 19:41.55 | MaxeyPad | would restarting networking on the box possibly fix this? |
| 19:42.15 | Blissex | henrik_: ask in #alsa, but also check the troubleshooting section of http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/notes/linuxSoundALSA.html |
| 19:42.17 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, i did some research a lil while back, jfs seemed preferable to me personally, ymmv an all dat |
| 19:42.17 | henrik_ | asg: XMMS claims that "the sound card isn't working." It doesn't even start playing. |
| 19:42.41 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: stopping and restarting the networking _daemons_ would make them reread the '/etc/hosts' file. |
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| 19:43.13 | bucky | this could be the esd hogging the port phenomenon again |
| 19:43.13 | jetscreamer | henrick there is an xmms-alsa plugin, do you have it? |
| 19:43.16 | MaxeyPad | well I just issued a /etc/init.d/networking restart, but this did not fix the issue. when I attempt to ssh to the box by the name in the hosts file it does not work. |
| 19:43.19 | jetscreamer | apt-gettable |
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| 19:44.05 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: '/etc/init.d/networking' only restarts the network _configuration_. |
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| 19:44.22 | MaxeyPad | well, how can I restart networking without locking myself out of the box... |
| 19:44.23 | dvs | MaxeyPad: It had nothing to do with resovling names |
| 19:44.46 | henrik_ | jetscreamer: nope. If it isn't included in Alsa. |
| 19:44.54 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: if the program that needs to resolve things via '/etc/hosts' is a client program, odds are it is permissions or misconfiguration |
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| 19:44.57 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: I usually use jfs for things where the data is important and xfs for things where speed matters. |
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| 19:45.05 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: can you 'ping' using that name? |
| 19:45.08 | MaxeyPad | nope |
| 19:45.10 | FieldySnuts | i'd reboot the system if you're remote, better to have it down for a few minutes than longer if you screw up |
| 19:45.16 | ctmnzzzz | MaxeyPad: ifdown -a && ifup -a |
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| 19:45.25 | ribnitz | MaxeyPad: /etc/init.d/networking restart, when inside with an ssh. |
| 19:45.26 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: can you 'ping' using the IP address??? |
| 19:45.32 | FieldySnuts | yeah and if his config is goofed up and doesn't start, he's screwed |
| 19:45.44 | ctmnzzzz | yeah |
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| 19:45.57 | ctmnzzzz | first check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:46.01 | MaxeyPad | yesI issued ifdown -a && ifup -a same result |
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| 19:46.25 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: dirty JFS volumes dont even mount... |
| 19:46.30 | CaT_MaNz | MaxeyPad :P |
| 19:46.32 | Blissex | MaxeyPad: restarting the networking configuration has nothing to do with '/etc/hosts'. |
| 19:46.33 | dvs | MaxeyPad: What does that line in your /etc/hosts say? |
| 19:47.01 | MaxeyPad | 192.168.0.112 ucc-web-1.lan ucc-web-1 |
| 19:47.05 | jetscreamer | god i must have xmms-* |
| 19:47.17 | mirak | hi |
| 19:47.20 | abrotman | lo |
| 19:47.22 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, like i said, it's worth researching it yourself :) |
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| 19:47.39 | mirak | anyone ever heard of a usable mixer for sblive 5.1 with alsa drivers ? |
| 19:47.54 | Rawplayer | alsamixergui |
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| 19:48.35 | jetscreamer | gnome-alsamixer also |
| 19:48.40 | FieldySnuts | anyone know what rsyncd's (not rsync the client) default timeout is? it isn't specified in the manual. |
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| 19:50.22 | mirak | Rawplayer: there is something like 50 controls |
| 19:50.25 | bonobo | I got a problem when gdm start :"xauth : timeout in locking authority file /home/toto/.Xauthority" , somebody could help me? |
| 19:50.28 | kristoffe | how can i make an rescue floppy before i try compiling a new kernel? i have searched google but only get lost |
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| 19:51.02 | mirak | Rawplayer: what would be interesting is something close to the windows control, if you see what it is |
| 19:51.09 | mirak | with less controls |
| 19:51.26 | mirak | I can't understand exactly what this potentimoeters are doing |
| 19:51.32 | CaT_MaNz | kristoffe: man mkboot |
| 19:51.32 | elnovato | !suspend |
| 19:51.32 | dpkg | it has been said that suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required |
| 19:51.49 | elnovato | !resume |
| 19:51.56 | elnovato | !laptop |
| 19:51.56 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 19:51.58 | FieldySnuts | !irritate elnovato |
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| 19:52.27 | elnovato | !acpi |
| 19:52.27 | dpkg | methinks acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 19:52.48 | nyetzsche | how do I mount a "vfat" fs so that regular users can read from it? (.eg., my Win D: drive) |
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| 19:53.01 | greycat | nyetzsche: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:53.29 | joebob2000 | what do the 'alwayscore' 'send core events' and 'corepointer' controls in XF86config do? im trying to get my mouse wheel to work |
| 19:53.36 | ricky_clarkson | D: is a drive? I thought it was a sad smiley. |
| 19:53.52 | nyetzsche | :) |
| 19:53.53 | jaybuffet | does anyone here have debian installed on a cobalt qube2? |
| 19:53.54 | nyetzsche | greycat: thx |
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| 19:55.52 | LoRez | jaybuffet: cacheraq2, yes. |
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| 19:56.13 | kirbymeister | nyetzsche: mount with options umask=000 |
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| 19:56.27 | FieldySnuts | bad idea. everyone and anyone can change anything on it. |
| 19:56.31 | greycat | kirbymeister: that will do a bit more than he asked for... |
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| 19:56.38 | kirbymeister | or mount umask=007,gid=disk |
| 19:56.41 | nyetzsche | kirbymeister: thx |
| 19:56.48 | kirbymeister | and add all users to be able to access the drive to group disk |
| 19:56.50 | greycat | kirbymeister: DO NOT ADD END USERS TO GROUP DISK!! |
| 19:57.13 | girrl | om |
| 19:57.13 | girrl | close |
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| 19:57.14 | kirbymeister | erm... NOT EVERY USER |
| 19:57.17 | Rawplayer | lollerskates |
| 19:57.22 | greycat | NOT ANY USER. |
| 19:57.37 | greycat | *no* user should *ever* have direct access to the raw sectors of /dev/hda |
| 19:57.53 | greycat | if they do, they're effectively super-root. |
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| 19:58.05 | ribnitz | greycat: root has. |
| 19:58.07 | slin | re |
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| 19:58.16 | FieldySnuts | geez. |
| 19:58.45 | LoRez | jaybuffet: not in /msg |
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| 19:59.04 | LoRez | jaybuffet: and I used the information gleaned from the debian-mips list. |
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| 19:59.26 | gub | hi |
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| 19:59.35 | jaybuffet | why not in /msg... no need to clutter the channel more.. right? |
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| 19:59.46 | Midkniht | what package is libstdc++.so.5 part of? |
| 19:59.51 | FieldySnuts | it's considered rude on freenode to msg without asking first, that's all |
| 19:59.53 | tripz_1 | nyetzsche: use option uid=your_uid |
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| 19:59.59 | jaybuffet | oh really |
| 20:00.01 | gub | is there a way to have xorg with apt-get (no ubuntu) |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | Midkniht: part of the sarge base system. if you have sarge, you've got it. if you have woody, you CANNOT GET IT. |
| 20:00.16 | jaybuffet | did not nknow that. I apologize |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | Midkniht: upgrade to sarge. |
| 20:00.16 | greycat | gub: /topic |
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| 20:00.37 | Midkniht | is there a easy way to upgrade to sarge? |
| 20:00.54 | spatulasnout | hi all, just a followup: turns out since ld-linux is able to be exectued directly, i was able to: /lib.old/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /lib.old /bin/mv lib.old lib ....and fix my problem =D |
| 20:00.58 | MrKrystal | Midkniht: errm .. dist-upgrade ? |
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| 20:01.03 | ribnitz | !woody->sarge |
| 20:01.39 | Midkniht | i have debian linux3 r4 what is its name? woody or sarge? |
| 20:01.40 | greycat | ribnitz: bug in dpkg. |
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| 20:01.48 | Brubbolo | anybody can help me? CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y CONFIG_INPUT=y N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" i have a problme whit the keyboard, it lag a lot, is a normal it, char are repeated, the kernel is 2.6.10, anybody can help me? |
| 20:01.49 | greycat | ribnitz: "dpkg: woody->sarge" will work, but ! -> does ont. |
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| 20:02.08 | ribnitz | greycat: good to know. |
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| 20:02.45 | M4hd1 | anybody knows where i can find a glx driver for a S3 Savage4 board? |
| 20:02.53 | ribnitz | psai_: ... brennt der spiritus und alles steht in flammen? ;) |
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| 20:03.30 | Midkniht | I thought i downloaded the newest version DebLinux3 r4 is that woody or sarge? |
| 20:03.31 | PeQua | Hello, i'm doing an rsync, the only problem is that changed files aren't syncronised, how can i solve this? what i have is this at the moment: rsync -a --exclude=/proc --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/tmp --delete-after / /mnt/backup |
| 20:03.37 | zenlunatic | Do the all the packages in debian get tested before they reach stable? |
| 20:03.55 | ribnitz | Midkniht: thats the latest greatest STABLE.. so woody. |
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| 20:04.03 | idnar | spatulasnout: jeez... |
| 20:04.04 | Midkniht | ohhhhh |
| 20:04.06 | ribnitz | zenlunatic: yep |
| 20:04.08 | Midkniht | thankx much |
| 20:04.09 | MrKrystal | does debian supports RAID 5 (hardware) ? |
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| 20:04.17 | ribnitz | Midkniht: yes. |
| 20:04.18 | sussudio | zenlunatic: stable doesn't get any new packages except security updates. |
| 20:04.25 | jetscreamer | Brubbolo, here it's : CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y | CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y |
| 20:04.26 | ribnitz | MrKrystal: yes. |
| 20:04.37 | elnovato | MrKrystal: yes |
| 20:04.41 | jetscreamer | works fine though |
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| 20:04.59 | ribnitz | MrKrystal: if its true hardware raid, debian won't see anything. |
| 20:04.59 | zenlunatic | sussudio: I know but I was just wondering if all the packages that are frozen were tested in testing in unstable, or just some of them. |
| 20:05.04 | sideone | hey guys |
| 20:05.07 | MrKrystal | elnovato: ribnitz: Ok. So can you explain me why sarge installer says i have no disks when i run it ? |
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| 20:05.17 | sideone | i would like to allow users to connect to the ttyS0/1 ports, how do i do this? |
| 20:05.24 | jaybuffet | LoReZ: when you installed debian onto your qube2, did you use net boot? |
| 20:05.32 | sideone | i have tried adding the users to the CONSOLE/TTY groups, with no luck |
| 20:05.32 | LoRez | jaybuffet: yep. |
| 20:05.38 | Midkniht | dpkg woody->sarge didnt work |
| 20:05.38 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Midkniht |
| 20:05.53 | greycat | MrKrystal: if it's *real* hardware RAID 5, it should just show up as a single SCSI disk drive to the controller. |
| 20:05.57 | Midkniht | dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:05.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". This upgrade is not painless (yet). it is less painless, so there, or consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 afterwards if you're not confident with linux hardware management |
| 20:06.00 | Brubbolo | jetscreamer, i also have CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y |
| 20:06.02 | greycat | MrKrystal: make sure your kernel supports your SCSI controller. |
| 20:06.06 | jetscreamer | MrKrystal, there are raid modules that need to be loaded, i don't know much though. try asking in #debian-boot maybe |
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| 20:06.14 | greycat | there are NO raid "modules" for hardware RAId. |
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| 20:06.18 | greycat | it's a virtual SCSI disk. |
| 20:06.22 | resiak | elnovato: Ping. What sound chip has your A60? |
| 20:06.25 | Brubbolo | si the defaul kernel |
| 20:06.28 | MrKrystal | greycat: it IS *real* RAID 5 hardware (DELL Poweredge 2400 server + 4 RAID 5 Hd) |
| 20:06.30 | McQuaid | i had this working for awhile in kde using kdm, but have switched to gnome and now using gdm |
| 20:06.32 | jaybuffet | LoReZ: mine seems to be stuck at "VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem)." and there seems to be a lot of network activity. Did your boot up right away when you started |
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| 20:06.44 | elnovato | resiak: ATI sound module name:atiixp |
| 20:06.45 | greycat | MrKrystal: then it probably doesn't see the SCSI controller. |
| 20:06.47 | McQuaid | i'm trying to force vsync on my nvidia card with export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 |
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| 20:06.57 | jetscreamer | ok Brubbolo so you have [CONFIG_INPUT=y N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"] and i don't, i guess. |
| 20:06.58 | McQuaid | where could i put that so it's system wide with gdm? |
| 20:06.59 | resiak | elnovato: Did you get ALSA workjing? |
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| 20:07.19 | greycat | McQuaid: /etc/environment (leave out the "export ") |
| 20:07.20 | MrKrystal | greycat: weird, because, the sarge installer seems to load scsi stuff (modules ?) ... |
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| 20:07.22 | phy|rdc | hey there, iam currently running testing and unable to get 2.6kernel to work, i have compiled them more than once and it fails to boot saying it cant find the disk drive |
| 20:07.30 | McQuaid | greycat: thx |
| 20:07.32 | phy|rdc | if i use the kernel images supplied by apt-get those work |
| 20:07.35 | LoRez | jaybuffet: it did, once I got the tftp server and nfs server set up properly anyway. be sure to check your logs to make sure it's accessing the right things on your netboot server. |
| 20:07.35 | phy|rdc | anyone got any ideas? |
| 20:07.35 | greycat | MrKrystal: is your card supported in Linux at all? If so, which kernel and which driver? |
| 20:07.37 | jetscreamer | well i do have config_input=y |
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| 20:07.42 | jetscreamer | but not in the kb section |
| 20:07.43 | phy|rdc | i have added filesystem support, and all that etc |
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| 20:07.49 | phy|rdc | and still have the issue |
| 20:07.57 | resiak | phy|rdc: Does it work with an initrd? If so, you can guess what the problem is... |
| 20:07.58 | Delph | phy|rdc: you're using the debian kernel source? |
| 20:08.00 | RzR | hi, where did deb-make go ? |
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| 20:08.07 | greycat | phy|rdc: so use the apt-gotten images and be happy. |
| 20:08.08 | mats_ | How can i get snmpd to accecpt from other ipranges than "localnet" ? |
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| 20:08.20 | phy|rdc | resiak - i thaught an initrd wasnt needed if it was all compiled into the kernel (non module) |
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| 20:08.27 | jaybuffet | LoReZ: when it started booting, I noticed it access the nfs server on its logs, but haven't seen any related entries since |
| 20:08.28 | phy|rdc | greycat - i cant, i need to patch the src |
| 20:08.28 | resiak | phy|rdc: Looks like you missed something :) |
| 20:08.30 | phy|rdc | i need QoS support |
| 20:08.33 | phy|rdc | i didnt miss anything |
| 20:08.35 | phy|rdc | ive did it 3-4 times now |
| 20:08.37 | phy|rdc | same issue |
| 20:08.42 | FieldySnuts | please hit enter less |
| 20:08.44 | jetscreamer | phy|rdc, did you make-kpkg --initrd when you compiled? if not, did you comment the initrd line in lilo.conf or whatever |
| 20:08.44 | greycat | phy|rdc: then you forgot to use --initrd on your make-kpkg command. |
| 20:08.45 | MrKrystal | greycat: i know that it's possible to install linux on it (i read some web pages today), but i don't know wich driver is needed. About the kernel, it's sarge-installer kernel, and i tried both : 2.4.x and 2.6.x |
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| 20:08.48 | phy|rdc | i was using the debian kernel support from apt-get. |
| 20:08.48 | Brubbolo | jetscreamer, http://www.jacoponi.it/ciao/keyb.txt |
| 20:08.52 | jaybuffet | LoReZ: is there a particular log for nfs? I'm looking at syslog |
| 20:08.56 | netsurfer | im having trouble mounting my cdrom, my harddisk is scsi and im getting ide-scsi errors in dmesg |
| 20:08.59 | phy|rdc | i used make-kpg yes |
| 20:09.01 | jetscreamer | Brubbolo, no idea |
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| 20:09.05 | phy|rdc | do i need --initrd as well? |
| 20:09.12 | netsurfer | things like ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) |
| 20:09.15 | phy|rdc | i removed the initrd in the grub config |
| 20:09.15 | jetscreamer | if you use initrd yes, if not no |
| 20:09.19 | greycat | phy|rdc: how many people need to say it before you fucking BELIEVE THEM? |
| 20:09.21 | LoRez | jaybuffet: all you'll be able to tell is if it actually mounted the right export |
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| 20:09.34 | phy|rdc | greycat - i know i didnt miss anything |
| 20:09.41 | greycat | either you use --initrd or you make the drivers BUILT-INS instead of MODULES. |
| 20:09.46 | resiak | phy|rdc: You DID. |
| 20:09.47 | phy|rdc | yeah |
| 20:09.50 | phy|rdc | i did make them built in's |
| 20:09.57 | greycat | apparently not. |
| 20:09.57 | phy|rdc | so that i didnt require initrd |
| 20:10.00 | phy|rdc | thats what i said |
| 20:10.06 | phy|rdc | they were all marked with an * |
| 20:10.07 | jetscreamer | did you make the correct ones though |
| 20:10.09 | resiak | phy|rdc: Well evidently you either missed building one at all, or missed building one as a module. |
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| 20:10.14 | phy|rdc | yeah |
| 20:10.22 | phy|rdc | i used the make pkg command to build it as well |
| 20:10.31 | Brubbolo | anybody can help me? CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y CONFIG_INPUT=y N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" i have a problme whit the keyboard, it lag a lot, is a normal it, char are repeated, the kernel is 2.6.10, anybody can help me? http://www.jacoponi.it/ciao/keyb.txt |
| 20:10.32 | phy|rdc | i added IDE/filesystem support etc |
| 20:10.33 | greycat | make-kpkg doesn't mean your config is correct. |
| 20:10.33 | phy|rdc | same issue |
| 20:10.40 | phy|rdc | indeed it doesnt |
| 20:10.44 | phy|rdc | but i cant see what i missed |
| 20:10.44 | ribnitz | can I patch the executable of cdrecord to do dvds too or do I have to complie myself? |
| 20:10.49 | phy|rdc | as far as i can see ive missed nothing |
| 20:10.53 | greycat | phy|rdc: you probably missed your disk controller. |
| 20:10.56 | phy|rdc | the exact same config compiles and works fine on slack btw |
| 20:10.57 | resiak | !tell phy|rdc about enter |
| 20:11.07 | phy|rdc | i copied the .config over to my slack box |
| 20:11.09 | phy|rdc | compiled |
| 20:11.11 | phy|rdc | and it works |
| 20:11.11 | jetscreamer | ribnitz, you don't like the dvd+rw tools or whatever? |
| 20:11.12 | phy|rdc | heh |
| 20:11.20 | FieldySnuts | HIT ENTER LESS Please |
| 20:11.20 | phy|rdc | so work that one out :-) |
| 20:11.25 | jaybuffet | LoReZ: it seems to have. Could you look at my boot log realy quick? |
| 20:11.28 | greycat | phy|rdc: you have a different source tree, then. |
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| 20:11.34 | greycat | Debian kernel source != kernel.org kernel source. |
| 20:11.43 | ResPiDeR | is there a way to list all packages available in apt-get with one command? |
| 20:11.48 | phy|rdc | ive used debian kernel source. i have also used kernel.org source |
| 20:11.51 | greycat | and the config files aren't comatible between them, either. |
| 20:11.53 | jetscreamer | yes it's called dselect |
| 20:12.08 | jetscreamer | or aptitude |
| 20:12.09 | greycat | ResPiDeR: you really, really don't want to see the whole list. |
| 20:12.10 | jetscreamer | or synaptic |
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| 20:12.16 | jetscreamer | or * |
| 20:12.16 | phy|rdc | both the debian source and kernel.org source produces the same problem, except on the kernel.org source on slackware the same config acstually works |
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| 20:12.34 | phy|rdc | i see quite an few people with the same issue with "Testing" on google |
| 20:12.42 | tarzeau | what's the equivalent for /sbin/ipchains -A input -s SOMEIP -j DENY ? |
| 20:12.44 | phy|rdc | i see someone recommended using unstable instead and it worked fine |
| 20:12.54 | Delph | perhaps you should use unstable then. |
| 20:12.57 | phy|rdc | yeah |
| 20:12.59 | tarzeau | DENY sends back some package. DROP just throws it away? |
| 20:13.00 | phy|rdc | im burning that now |
| 20:13.04 | greycat | tarzeau: packet, not package. |
| 20:13.07 | tarzeau | or was that REJECT? |
| 20:13.08 | phy|rdc | to try it to see if it works any better :-). |
| 20:13.12 | tarzeau | greycat: errr too much packages :) |
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| 20:13.16 | phy|rdc | REJECT gives an reply |
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| 20:13.18 | jetscreamer | burning? |
| 20:13.18 | phy|rdc | drop just drops it |
| 20:13.23 | greycat | REJECT also sends back the ICMP packet that triggers a connection refused message |
| 20:13.28 | phy|rdc | yeah, asin burning the cd iso |
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| 20:13.33 | jetscreamer | why |
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| 20:13.42 | Midkniht | can someone give me a line to add to the sources.lst to get sarge |
| 20:13.45 | jetscreamer | netinstall |
| 20:13.47 | phy|rdc | because the server has been formatted thats why :) |
| 20:13.48 | greycat | Midkniht: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:13.51 | phy|rdc | it is an netinstall cd |
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| 20:14.03 | greycat | phy|rdc: install sarge base system, then "upgrade" to unstable. |
| 20:14.04 | phy|rdc | but the machine in question does not have an floppy drive |
| 20:14.05 | jaybuffet | LoReZ: http://pastebin.com/233804 if you could |
| 20:14.14 | phy|rdc | greycat - thats exactly what iam doing |
| 20:14.15 | Fosten | how do i properly reboot via ssh? |
| 20:14.19 | Midkniht | greycat> i did that, but doesnt help as i dont have any entries in there now that arent cd's |
| 20:14.20 | gremlin | hi, is it possible to setup debian as a network domain server? if so how would i do this? thanks. |
| 20:14.22 | greycat | Fosten: man 8 shutdown |
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| 20:14.38 | greycat | gremlin: install samba and read www.samba.org |
| 20:14.49 | paulswm | Ddraig15 |
| 20:14.50 | phy|rdc | is woody = unstable? |
| 20:14.52 | greycat | assuming you mean *that* kind of domain. |
| 20:14.52 | phy|rdc | or is that sid? |
| 20:14.53 | phy|rdc | or what |
| 20:14.54 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 20:14.55 | gremlin | thanks, i'll do that. |
| 20:14.58 | jetscreamer | !sid |
| 20:14.58 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 20:15.00 | greycat | !tell phy|rdc about FAQ |
| 20:15.00 | phy|rdc | k |
| 20:15.02 | phy|rdc | thanks |
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| 20:15.17 | phy|rdc | ah, thats why its called sid hahahaha |
| 20:15.29 | jetscreamer | it's all toy story |
| 20:15.29 | phy|rdc | didnt know that lol :) |
| 20:15.40 | phy|rdc | what about sarge? |
| 20:15.40 | Brubbolo | anybody can help me or at least tell me something i should look or a place to ask? CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y CONFIG_INPUT=y N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" i have a problem whit the keyboard, it lag a lot, is a normal it, char are repeated, the kernel is 2.6.10 |
| 20:15.43 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 20:15.45 | phy|rdc | i know woody is |
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| 20:15.56 | gremlin | i meant domain as in the type you join on a network |
| 20:15.57 | crg__ | I can print using command smbclient //winXP/HP2420 and then print |
| 20:15.58 | dondelelcaro | phy|rdc: sarge is the next version of Debian which is currently at the testing stage. |
| 20:15.58 | nvz | I am considering swapping pcs.. this damn dell is being a royal PIMA. I just want to be able to reach my mouse if I have to. the front usb ports wont work and it doesnt like this old asses memorex wireless mouse either.. its the pickiest fuckin pc I ever did see |
| 20:16.07 | dondelelcaro | phy|rdc: /msg dpkg sarge; for more information |
| 20:16.09 | phy|rdc | k, thanks |
| 20:16.15 | crg__ | But using cups I get error. |
| 20:16.18 | Midkniht | can someone give me a line to add to the sources.lst to get sarge ":" I dont have any ftp or http entries currently |
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| 20:16.24 | crg__ | Any Samba gurus here? |
| 20:16.34 | greycat | Midkniht: run apt-setup. |
| 20:16.37 | dondelelcaro | Midkniht: run apt-setup; then follow the directions in /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 20:16.38 | ribnitz | crg__: ->#samba |
| 20:16.40 | greycat | Midkniht: then follow dpkg's instructions |
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| 20:16.59 | jetscreamer | Brubbolo, what is Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" i don't have one |
| 20:17.08 | greycat | !tell phy|rdc about sid faq |
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| 20:17.12 | McQuaid | that worked greycat thx |
| 20:17.15 | nvz | on the note of front usb ports.. anyone ever had issues with them or care to hypothesize? I get notification of devices plugged in the front, but they wont accept their address on the USB bus |
| 20:17.32 | xorAxAx | hi, i cannot enter iso chars anymore, just utf-8 is accepted in my ssh session |
| 20:17.34 | PeQua | Hello, i'm doing an rsync, the only problem is that changed files aren't syncronised, how can i solve this? what i have is this at the moment: rsync -a --exclude=/proc --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/tmp --delete-after / /mnt/backup |
| 20:17.38 | phy|rdc | ah k |
| 20:17.39 | McQuaid | now i'm trying to get dmix working for alsa and with gnome |
| 20:17.39 | greycat | err, phy|rdc not Midkniht |
| 20:17.41 | phy|rdc | thanks for that |
| 20:17.45 | phy|rdc | whoever sent me that :) |
| 20:17.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: some things just don't work when they're plugged into the front ports... FE, the bios on this box, doesn't deal with keyboards at boot plugged in there |
| 20:17.53 | xorAxAx | and utf-8 is broken, so i want to revert |
| 20:17.56 | dondelelcaro | nvz: although, at least it tells you about it. |
| 20:17.58 | Midkniht | thanks much |
| 20:17.59 | ribnitz | ok. I seem tzo have a generic problem with copying cds (cdrecord) with xcdroast. its sluggish as hell (with atapi drivers). |
| 20:18.01 | xorAxAx | or maybe i can fix utf-8 ... |
| 20:18.01 | Fosten | to reboot via ssh shutdown -r or /etc/init.d/reboot? |
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| 20:18.10 | xorAxAx | executing unicode_start stalls |
| 20:18.11 | McQuaid | anyone knowledgeable on setting up dmix? |
| 20:18.14 | xorAxAx | same for unicode_stop |
| 20:18.14 | LoRez | jaybuffet: it looks fine to me. obviously it should be doing more after mounting root. you may need to tell it to use the serial port as its console as it may be spewing all the good info somewhere else. |
| 20:18.17 | greycat | 15:14 greycat> Fosten: man 8 shutdown |
| 20:18.17 | xorAxAx | help. |
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| 20:18.40 | elnovato | resiak: read me? |
| 20:18.44 | ribnitz | ide-scsi no longer seems to work with 2.6.10.. |
| 20:18.49 | Delph | Leo: no, we can't help you =:P |
| 20:18.50 | Brubbolo | read the keyb.txt |
| 20:18.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well I use them on this HP, and everything works, but that dell is just picky, my intelimouse or my sidewinder wont work. they both work on the front ports of this HP |
| 20:18.51 | LeoNerd | Afternoon all.. I'm having trouble setting a UK keymap layout, basically because /etc/init.d/keymap.sh is being run before my /usr partition is mounted... |
| 20:18.53 | elnovato | resiak: i have the answer to your questions |
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| 20:19.07 | Brubbolo | jetscreamer, read the URl |
| 20:19.07 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, that's not unusual... this is a dell with the same problem. |
| 20:19.11 | strubbel | i need some help with diald: "how do i set up a standard diald configuration to reconnect on a broken connection and keep the connection open for the rest of the time?" |
| 20:19.22 | greycat | there's a "standard" diald config?? |
| 20:19.27 | LeoNerd | Is there some nicer solution than just hand-renaming the symlinks in /etc/rcS.d to re-order them, so it mounts /usr before doing loadkeys? |
| 20:19.29 | strubbel | this manpages kill me |
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| 20:19.43 | ribnitz | LeoNerd: use file-rc |
| 20:19.43 | greycat | LeoNerd: no, there isn't |
| 20:19.46 | crg__ | Does anyone know if cups uses smbclient to print? |
| 20:19.54 | dondelelcaro | crg__: it can |
| 20:20.00 | nvz | out here I _need_ cordless its a media center for the game room.. in there its just convienince of being able to reach my mouse without getting off my ass.. I have an old wireless mouse (ps/2) and an intellimouse that would be fine if I had the extra 7-12 inches of plugging it in the front |
| 20:20.00 | LeoNerd | file-rc ? |
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| 20:20.09 | Thor- | does bind use the /etc/resolve.conf file to find where it should qurey next? |
| 20:20.11 | strubbel | greycat: you mean /etc/diald/diald.defaults |
| 20:20.24 | elnovato | cups with smbclient,cups with telephaty! |
| 20:20.27 | greycat | strubbel: no, I was responding to your quotation |
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| 20:20.38 | crg__ | cups error logs dont give Samba commands and the errors are not showing up in SAMBA logs |
| 20:20.45 | nvz | I am considering just taking the HP in there and bring the dell out here.. the only concern is the pc out here goes inside a closed wooden cabinet, and the dell has a P4 which would generate more heat |
| 20:20.47 | cesta | Hi! I have problem with dpkg in unstable. Do you have any idea? Thanks: |
| 20:20.47 | cesta | # LC_ALL=C apt-get -u upgrade |
| 20:20.47 | cesta | ... output ... |
| 20:20.47 | cesta | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 20:20.47 | cesta | dpkg: failed in buffer_read(fd): copy info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Input/output error |
| 20:20.47 | cesta | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | You are moron #8, cesta |
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| 20:21.02 | dondelelcaro | nvz: just get a usb extension cable... |
| 20:21.07 | nvz | I already got cables coming out the front floppy drive slot of the HP to plug in cabinet fans :P |
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| 20:21.19 | gandalaf_ | hi |
| 20:21.19 | djarrell | Does anyone have xfree working with an ATI Rage 128 Ultra video card? |
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| 20:21.26 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh |
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| 20:21.38 | webmail | holas |
| 20:21.40 | tarzeau | say i have a domain www.linuks.mine.nu and i want to ban all robots, i write what in robots.txt ? User-agent: *\nDisallow: * ? |
| 20:21.55 | strubbel | greycat: not really :), but nearly |
| 20:22.01 | Delph | tarzeau: look on google.com |
| 20:22.08 | Delph | they've got a good guide on how it all works. |
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| 20:22.17 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: I find Order Deny, Allow; Deny From All; more effective... |
| 20:22.19 | ribnitz | is there some cdburning with 2.6.x kernels factoid somewhere, or a nice gui for cdrecord and dvdrecord? |
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| 20:22.29 | gandalaf_ | anyone can help me? |
| 20:22.30 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I dont have an extension.. I would just as easy cut the wires to the front ports and solder them to the back ports.. heh |
| 20:22.32 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: but then you've got the nasty aspect of blocking everything... ;-) |
| 20:22.39 | dondelelcaro | nvz: true, true |
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| 20:22.44 | Delph | tarzeau: http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/remove.html might be worth a read. |
| 20:22.47 | gandalaf_ | i have a problem with mysql |
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| 20:22.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell gandalaf_ about ask |
| 20:23.00 | ribnitz | gandalaf_: ->#mysql |
| 20:23.12 | cesta | Hi! I have problem with dpkg in unstable. Do you have any idea? Thanks: |
| 20:23.12 | cesta | dpkg: failed in buffer_read(fd): copy info file `/var/lib/dpkg/available': Input/output error |
| 20:23.12 | cesta | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 20:23.12 | dpkg | cesta: You are moron #9 |
| 20:23.17 | Midkniht | ok just to prevent myself from doing this for no reason. will firefox work under DebianLinux 3 r4? |
| 20:23.18 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its the frustration of something this simple not working you see.. why the hell did these fools put ports on the front that dont work. |
| 20:23.37 | greycat | cesta: your drive is dying. |
| 20:23.44 | phy|rdc | !tell phy|rdc about woody faq |
| 20:23.49 | phy|rdc | hm |
| 20:23.54 | phy|rdc | damnit |
| 20:23.54 | dondelelcaro | nvz: they work... but only in certain specific limited ways... |
| 20:23.55 | greycat | cesta: see dmesg(8) for more scary, gory errors. |
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| 20:24.14 | greycat | Midkniht: Run. Sarge. |
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| 20:24.20 | Midkniht | damn |
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| 20:24.22 | Midkniht | ok |
| 20:24.25 | greycat | Midkniht: you *clearly* don't want a woody box. |
| 20:24.49 | Midkniht | ok |
| 20:25.30 | Midkniht | alright im gonna let this run |
| 20:25.32 | Midkniht | later all |
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| 20:26.04 | cesta | greycat: Oh, thanks, You are right. dmesg:... ide: failed opcode was: unknown .... end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 51278389 ... hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } ... hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=51278394, sector=51278389 |
| 20:26.04 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I cant imagine what ways those are or why they are designed this way. this HP has two ports on the front also. I can use my Sidewinder, Intellimouse, USB Keyboard, PSC Printer, Playstation USB adapter, Audigy2 NX, whatever I want... I havent got anything to accept an address on the dells front ports |
| 20:26.28 | greycat | cesta: "Input/output error" is always very, very bad. |
| 20:26.39 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you've already said why it's that way... it's a Dell box. |
| 20:26.40 | jaybuffet | LoRez: I mean does it have to download debian at some point? and is that what it could be doing? |
| 20:26.49 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, ok. |
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| 20:27.12 | LoRez | jaybuffet: the installer is interactive. you should have to do things to get it started |
| 20:27.14 | cesta | greycat: OK. Thank you very much I will try save my data. Bye. |
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| 20:27.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: expecting logic from a machine designed by dell is almost as pointless as expecting logic from a desktop designed by compaq. |
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| 20:28.13 | kos_tom | hello |
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| 20:28.31 | LeoNerd | Excellent. file-rc and a bit of editing have solved the problem. Can I suggest that's a bug then; that will break for anyone who doesn't keep /usr on root? |
| 20:28.35 | edon | I uploaded some files to a ftp, through the "ftp" dos program as ascii (binary files) they are only on the server i removed them from the client, they don't work now (becouse of the null charater), is there any app or way to make them work (convert to binary) ? |
| 20:28.37 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I guess thats why they are so cheap.. most of it is just for show |
| 20:28.38 | kos_tom | I'm wondering why gettext version 0.14.1-8 depends on libgcj4 |
| 20:28.47 | tarzeau | edon: ouch |
| 20:28.49 | jaybuffet | LoRez: hmm.. and i copied all that info from the securecrt so shouldnt that display everything thats going on? or is there a step that i missed, because i know theres that thing where you retart the qube with the reset button pushed in |
| 20:28.59 | zno | i just did a make dep after a make menuconfig to change a kernel option. do I just make install and reboot after that? |
| 20:29.00 | tarzeau | edon: what ftp client was that? lftp uses binary by default |
| 20:29.12 | Delph | tarzeau: "ftp.exe" |
| 20:29.14 | edon | tarzeau, dos's ftp |
| 20:29.14 | phy|rdc | hey, is it possible to compile an kernel on an fast box then move it over to an slow one? |
| 20:29.16 | greycat | tarzeau: he said "dos". |
| 20:29.19 | dondelelcaro | phy|rdc: yes. |
| 20:29.31 | phy|rdc | aka i got an 3200+ xp here, and i dont wanna wait like 4hours for an kernel compile to discover its screwed again :) |
| 20:29.36 | greycat | edon: once you transferred them in "ASCII" mode, you lost 1/8th of the bits. You can't put them back. |
| 20:29.39 | phy|rdc | on my 400 celly |
| 20:29.39 | phy|rdc | heh |
| 20:29.47 | Delph | edon: they got munged quite a bit on the way up, as greycat said, you just plain lost data. |
| 20:29.49 | LoRez | jaybuffet: it should if it believes that connection is the console. It probably doesn't. |
| 20:29.49 | greycat | edon: you must re-transfer them in binary mode. |
| 20:29.59 | phy|rdc | don - thanks ,ill give it an go |
| 20:29.59 | phy|rdc | :) |
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| 20:30.13 | Delph | edon: time to investigate your undelete programs =:) |
| 20:30.14 | nvz | dondelelcaro: do about the length which USB starts degrading, if I should feel like riggin something up? |
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| 20:30.26 | edon | ah |
| 20:30.30 | edon | alright thank you guys |
| 20:30.38 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's pretty long, iirc. |
| 20:30.44 | LeoNerd | OK.. Second question... Now it's loading the keymap correctly, how might I get it to do unicode_start on bootup? I have LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 in /etc/environment, and if I run unicode_start manually all works; yet it doesn't run on bootup like it looks like it should |
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| 20:31.14 | Crinc | hi again |
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| 20:31.28 | dondelelcaro | kos_tom: see #291913 |
| 20:31.31 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 291913 |
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| 20:31.33 | joebob2000 | nvz: there are usb converters that let you use eth cable to extend the distance dramatically |
| 20:31.35 | dpkg | DONE:#291913:N[gettext] gettext: Please downgrade libgcj dependency, only one feature uses it |
| 20:31.35 | Crinc | can u read me? |
| 20:31.38 | xorAxAx | no help for me? |
| 20:31.40 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: no. |
| 20:31.50 | Crinc | thx |
| 20:31.53 | strubbel | does diald's "died-retry-count 1" work with dynamic-ip? |
| 20:32.12 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: you're going to have to be way more specific with your question. |
| 20:32.13 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I've got either like printer cables or usb to mini usb cables.. I can cut the end off one, and take a usb port off something.. I got a cordless soldering iron now, so destroying a pcb is only a touch away |
| 20:32.14 | greycat | strubbel: I have vague memories of using diald back in the stone age when I was on a modem. |
| 20:32.16 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 20:32.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: hahaha |
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| 20:32.30 | greycat | strubbel: I think there were, like, 7 or 8 other diald users. in the universe. |
| 20:32.47 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I'd check the specs online... something tells me it was a couple meters... but I really don't remember the exact length requirements |
| 20:32.50 | xorAxAx | dondelelcaro: how exactly? |
| 20:33.09 | xorAxAx | if somebody would be interested, he might ask. |
| 20:33.10 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: by telling us exactly what you're doing, what you've set LANG to, what term you're using, and exactly what you're seeing on screen. |
| 20:33.12 | greycat | not counting the ones who installed it by accident, and then got confused by the "sl0" interface; but we fixed their problems by having them remove diald, and they were happy again. |
| 20:33.18 | xorAxAx | LANG=POSIX |
| 20:33.26 | xorAxAx | term=ssh client |
| 20:33.26 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: C isn't UTF8 at all. |
| 20:33.28 | strubbel | greycat: i try to use it for dsl, that the my box reconnects when my isp terminates after 24h |
| 20:33.32 | Crinc | i run apt-get dist-upgrade, afterwards the installer set a password for my knoppix user automaticaly. I never set a pwd |
| 20:33.33 | xorAxAx | i know |
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| 20:33.36 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: and ssh client isn't a term. |
| 20:33.36 | xorAxAx | i send iso |
| 20:33.50 | xorAxAx | and i dont see any iso chars. it worked some hours ago |
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| 20:33.55 | Crinc | does anybody know the debian standard pw? |
| 20:34.01 | greycat | Crinc: the *what*? |
| 20:34.03 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well I really only need another 6 inches, basically the length of the case.. I might have a look inside and see if the jumping the front ports to the back ones is a resonable solution |
| 20:34.17 | greycat | Crinc: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 20:34.22 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: you won't see iso chars in the C locale. You'll only see them if you're in en_US.ISO8859.1 or similar. |
| 20:34.32 | strubbel | greycat: he he |
| 20:34.40 | Delph | greycat: nb ubuntu doesn't "do" root |
| 20:34.42 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 20:34.46 | Crinc | it must be the standard password |
| 20:34.47 | xorAxAx | ok, thanks |
| 20:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: there is no such thing. |
| 20:34.55 | greycat | Crinc: you're on drugs. please come back when you're no longer high. |
| 20:34.59 | xorAxAx | .oO(then it wasnt posix some hours ago) |
| 20:35.00 | Esaj | how can I search for duplicate files? |
| 20:35.08 | greycat | Esaj: *painfully*. |
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| 20:35.14 | greycat | Esaj: e.g. md5sum, sort, uniq |
| 20:35.22 | strubbel | greycat: i have choosen ethertap |
| 20:35.27 | Esaj | greycat: ok, cheers |
| 20:35.36 | Delph | Crinc: there is no password. Ubuntu doesn't use the root account. |
| 20:35.49 | xorAxAx | how to switch current locale without doing "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
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| 20:35.59 | Crinc | the knoopix user password |
| 20:36.02 | dondelelcaro | why are we even talking about Ubuntu in here? If you're using ubuntu (points away) #ubuntu |
| 20:36.07 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: ask in #knoppix, not here. |
| 20:36.17 | xorAxAx | i switched to en_US and still dont see my iso chars |
| 20:36.19 | nvz | dondelelcaro: you should see some of my homemade cables I made with the crapload of old AT coil extensions I bought for next to nothing off a company. I only got two left now I didnt cut up, and I am using those for my keyboard :P |
| 20:36.26 | Crinc | but the debian upgrade system set the pwd |
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| 20:36.29 | Crinc | not knoppix |
| 20:36.35 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: "i switched to en_US and still dont see my iso chars" |
| 20:36.37 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: no, it won't. |
| 20:36.58 | alemao | creating a patch is just "diff -urN newfile oldfile>patch.diff" and then patch<patch.diff right? |
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| 20:37.15 | nvz | they make nice audio cables.. if I decide I need that phono jack to be two RCA, I just plug in a different end. |
| 20:37.19 | strubbel | does the standard filter /etc/diald/standard.filter a good job, or does it need tweaking? |
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| 20:37.28 | Bwl | If I want the first block of my drive, is that "dd count=1 if=/dev/hde of=file.out" ? |
| 20:37.32 | greycat | alemao: "patch -p0 < foo" usually, on the back end. |
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| 20:37.43 | Crinc | during the command apt-get dist-upgrade i was asked that my password settings are not conform to the standard and if i want to change it |
| 20:37.47 | Crinc | so i said yes |
| 20:37.50 | Crinc | but |
| 20:37.57 | Crinc | i didnt set a password |
| 20:38.00 | greycat | alemao: and you made the patch backwards. OLD FIRST. patch -urN old new > ../patch |
| 20:38.07 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: I said en_US.ISO8859-1; and you've got to also have the term you're running set appropriately. basically, LANG="en_US.ISO8859-1" xterm; then LANG="en_US.ISO8859-1" ssh foohost; alternatively, /msg dpkg iso8859 |
| 20:38.12 | Crinc | so it set automaticaly a password |
| 20:38.16 | Crinc | i believe |
| 20:38.19 | greycat | Crinc: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 20:38.22 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: no, it didn't. |
| 20:38.28 | strubbel | anybody here using diald with pppoe? |
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| 20:38.38 | greycat | strubbel: very, very unlikely. |
| 20:38.47 | Crinc | why is there a password question in the beginnig that i never had before |
| 20:38.47 | nvz | AT keyboard stuff will probably always be useful for something. I dont like modern keyboards so I buy em up anytime I find em the last ones I bought for $2 a piece |
| 20:38.50 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: it only adjusted the accounts that didn't exist, or were set up improperly. base-files should never change the passwords. |
| 20:38.52 | greycat | strubbel: try a mailing list, usenet, etc. |
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| 20:39.14 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: anyway, your question is OT here. We can't help you with a mixed knoppix/debian system. If you want to run Debian, install Debian. |
| 20:39.24 | jaime_alberto | so, does it worth to change my system from ext3 to xfs? |
| 20:39.29 | strubbel | greycat: but why, most providers cancel connections after 24h, and diald can reconnect |
| 20:39.37 | Crinc | is there a way to reset my password? |
| 20:39.50 | dondelelcaro | Crinc: for the 8th time, /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 20:39.52 | zno | after installing a custom kernel do I have to reboot? |
| 20:39.53 | greycat | strubbel: I've never heard of anyone else *needing* to use diald before, for that. the reconnect option in normal pppd/pppoe should work. |
| 20:39.58 | jaybuffet | whats the best way to see the amount of traffic going through an interface seperated into ports.. ie traffic on port 25,80, etc |
| 20:40.00 | greycat | Crinc: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
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| 20:40.08 | greycat | I AM GETTING FUCKING TIRED OF REPEATING IT. |
| 20:40.08 | Crinc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:40.21 | jayparadise | hey how much space does a full install of debian take |
| 20:40.26 | alemao | greycat: doing this i get that patch is trying to patch the NEW file |
| 20:40.26 | greycat | there is no full install. |
| 20:40.28 | strubbel | greycat: seems that i missed this |
| 20:40.30 | dondelelcaro | jayparadise: as much as you want it to take |
| 20:40.40 | greycat | alemao: because you made it backwards. |
| 20:40.44 | jayparadise | ok, im new to it, but a lot of rpms |
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| 20:40.56 | nvz | greycat: apperently you |
| 20:40.58 | Araldit | How can I make the sound preview in nautilus to work.. No sound there.. Sound is working though, as system sounds, gaim, xmms and so on. |
| 20:40.59 | nvz | 're not the only one |
| 20:41.04 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:41.06 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: ok, works again |
| 20:41.12 | nvz | damn enter key jumped out infront of me |
| 20:41.18 | kaiowa | if i put a bash script in /etc/init.d/ it execute when i start ?? |
| 20:41.22 | alemao | greycat: but then I remade diff -urN old new >patch |
| 20:41.24 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: so i reverted successfully. now the next question about utf-8 |
| 20:41.24 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it can be a pesky little bugger... |
| 20:41.34 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 20:41.42 | greycat | alemao: /msg dpkg man patch |
| 20:41.47 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: /msg dpkg utf-8 |
| 20:42.06 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: if i enter some non-ascii chars and use the backspace, they are just deleted bytewise and not charwise. *asking dpkg* |
| 20:42.09 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: it basically has the equivalent instructions. You'll also need a term that can do utf8, like uxterm or rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 20:42.18 | strubbel | greycat: sorry, but i can't find reconnect in the manual. can you help me to set it up correctly? |
| 20:42.24 | LeoNerd | xorAxAx: see if $LANG / $LC_ALL have .UTF-8 at the end of them |
| 20:42.26 | shingouz | in ls -l the file type "p" is a fifo? |
| 20:42.34 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: depends. if your shell is sane, they delete charwise. |
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| 20:42.38 | greycat | strubbel: no, I can't. I gave up Linux on border routers. |
| 20:42.38 | xorAxAx | LeoNord: yep, it did |
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| 20:42.43 | greycat | strubbel: I use openbsd for that now. |
| 20:42.44 | ribnitz | I dont believe it... |
| 20:42.54 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: (and even if your shell is not, they still delete charwise, it's just that your shell can't handle multibyte characters) |
| 20:42.54 | ribnitz | cdwriting is sluggish |
| 20:43.02 | strubbel | greycat: ah, ok |
| 20:43.10 | strubbel | anybody else? |
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| 20:43.20 | ribnitz | dont use ATA modes if you have a choice. |
| 20:43.59 | ribnitz | greycat: back to the well proven (winsomething?) ;) |
| 20:44.09 | jaime_alberto | What is xfs realtime used for? does it worth to enable it in a normal system? |
| 20:44.10 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: its stale's bash |
| 20:44.12 | greycat | audio cd writing in 2.4.x cannot use DMA mode because the sector size is not a multiple of 512(?) bytes. |
| 20:44.23 | as | hi all ... i want to build the same kernel like the debian kernel image from the sources, but with one patch more. but i cant find any howto. does someone has a hint? does i need to apply the patches included in kernel-patch-debian package ? |
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| 20:44.27 | alexissoft | hi |
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| 20:44.32 | strubbel | i mean a quick hack could do it, but it's probably not the best soloution. |
| 20:44.33 | ribnitz | jaime_alberto: guaranteed minimal response time. |
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| 20:44.47 | jaime_alberto | ribnitz, so is better to use plain xfs? |
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| 20:44.52 | alexissoft | how can we have kde 3.4 with debian ? |
| 20:44.52 | Raf256 | ifconfig eth0 physaddr 00112233.... up - will make eth0 appear for everyone in LAN to have given MAC adress? |
| 20:45.05 | strubbel | s/soloution/solution/ |
| 20:45.07 | greycat | alexissoft: ask #debian-kde |
| 20:45.11 | ribnitz | jaime_alberto: unless you do video on that I suggesdt not using it. |
| 20:45.14 | Ecu | Well guys, I got woody installed to my machine and now have a nice text login. Could anyone help walk me through getting updated to gui? |
| 20:45.14 | alexissoft | thank you |
| 20:45.19 | jaime_alberto | ribnitz, o no xfs and stick with ext3 |
| 20:45.20 | greycat | Raf256: try it and see. |
| 20:45.39 | uGexe | i have mounted a vfat partition, however when i try to open a file it says that the login attempt failed. there is no security on the vfat partition so i do not understand what login attempt its talking about |
| 20:45.43 | Raf256 | greycat- yes but its quite hard |
| 20:46.06 | ribnitz | jaime_alberto: use xfs, but read up on it. get a ups, and don't use parameters you dont know what they do. |
| 20:46.09 | strubbel | how do i set up pppd/pppoe for auto-reconnection? |
| 20:46.12 | greycat | how can that be hard? ifconfig, ping, arp -a |
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| 20:46.30 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 20:46.30 | Raf256 | to get it working... I want to have inernet on linux and my ISP assigns me IP via DHCP basing on MAC, and I can not move that card to my linux box. is using physaddr the right way to do so? |
| 20:46.41 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: woody's bash is quite capable of dealing with UTF-8 assuming you've selected the appropriate LANG, and your terminal is sane. |
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| 20:46.53 | jaime_alberto | ribnitz, but AFAIK xfs is better for crash recovety than ext3 so why the ups suggestion? |
| 20:47.00 | MSIGuy | To restart your network is it in the rc.d or the init.d folder? |
| 20:47.02 | greycat | Raf256: try and see. |
| 20:47.12 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: my terminal is, it just sends backspace :-) |
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| 20:47.21 | compubomb | can someone answer this question for me plz http://rafb.net/paste/results/loX7xN54.html |
| 20:47.26 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: and LANG is set ... |
| 20:47.30 | ribnitz | jaime_alberto: there are cases where xfs writes junk into files on a crash (sudden power loss), hence the ups. |
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| 20:48.01 | dondelelcaro | xorAxAx: *shrug* |
| 20:48.05 | Ecu | Can anyone assist this newb at updating to sarge? |
| 20:48.06 | Skiver | where is my kdebase by default ? |
| 20:48.24 | abrotman | !tell ecu about woody->sarge |
| 20:48.31 | compubomb | i'm having some problems with my PS1 prompt |
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| 20:48.36 | xorAxAx | fn~dondelelcaro: so i revert to iso again :-) |
| 20:48.50 | MSIGuy | To restart your network is it in the rc.d or the init.d folder? |
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| 20:48.57 | ribnitz | jaime_alberto: I dont use xfs for filesystems that are important to me. |
| 20:49.03 | Ireul | hi |
| 20:49.04 | Ireul | please |
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| 20:49.08 | Ireul | I've got a problem |
| 20:49.09 | Raf256 | can I just put in /network/interfaces lines like: auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp physaddr aa:01:81:43:02:11 ? (yes, I can check it, but if anyone know is it the best way to do it)? |
| 20:49.15 | Ireul | with apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:49.21 | Ireul | for unstable |
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| 20:49.35 | Ireul | it tells me that there's no upgrades |
| 20:50.05 | a-atwood | Ireul: did you point /etc/apt/sources.list to the unstable feeds? |
| 20:50.11 | Raf256 | Ireul- so system is fully uptodate probably; try also using: synaptic & - userfriendly gu tool |
| 20:50.12 | MSIGuy | Does anyone know? |
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| 20:50.22 | Ireul | a-atwood: it worked |
| 20:50.33 | Ireul | a-atwood: it worked until new kernel upgrade (2.6.10) |
| 20:50.51 | elnovato | sarge will become stable, all peeps switch to sid!!!! |
| 20:50.54 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 20:50.59 | abrotman | MSIGuy: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:51.14 | abrotman | elnovato: why/ |
| 20:51.15 | a-atwood | Ireul: dunno. I did the same thing about 3 days ago and it "just worked" |
| 20:51.15 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:51.22 | compubomb | can someone pweez read my url http://rafb.net/paste/results/loX7xN54.html it shows the readout of my PS1 prompt, and it not working properly.. |
| 20:51.26 | compubomb | :/ |
| 20:51.29 | greycat | pweez? |
| 20:51.39 | compubomb | greycat: heh |
| 20:51.39 | greycat | strubbel: it was. in 1996. |
| 20:51.45 | compubomb | pretty please |
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| 20:52.03 | elnovato | becouse stable sounds boring |
| 20:52.04 | greycat | strubbel: then pppd implemented its own "persist" option, or whatever it's called, and made diald a thing of the past for almost all purposes other than the most arcane. |
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| 20:52.35 | MSIGuy | Thanks abrotman. |
| 20:52.47 | strubbel | greycat: since pppd/pppoe have no reconnect option and diald could recover old connections it seems to be perfect |
| 20:53.08 | greycat | strubbel: try "persist". I think that's the magic name. |
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| 20:53.57 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
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| 20:54.18 | nvz | realizes by the look of this PCB it could have been easily built improprtly.. its a 4x2" PCB with like 11 possible connectors for CTRL_PNL, FNT_PNL, FAN_CCAGE, HD_THERMAL, INTRUDER, 1394_FNT, EXT_SPKR, USB_FNT, HP_OUT, AUDIO_CABLE, 1394, DIAGLED.. heh what an ugly little mass-produced PCB.. time to get out the can-o-air and draw up a rought schematic and compare to specs |
| 20:54.22 | strubbel | greycat: i tried persist, without success :( |
| 20:54.40 | MSIGuy | sdfgasdfasdfasdf, You suck. |
| 20:54.46 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | fawk you |
| 20:54.56 | abrotman | what the hell is wrong with you people? |
| 20:55.01 | MSIGuy | Alot. |
| 20:55.05 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | um? |
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| 20:55.32 | strubbel | greycat: ok one could easily write pon to one ip-up.d script but that's not the solution i'm looking for. |
| 20:56.00 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 20:56.11 | strubbel | anyone having experiences with pppd's persist with dynamic-ip? |
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| 20:56.46 | paulswm | strubbel: worked fine for me back in the dialup days |
| 20:56.54 | lanchow_ | how many time do i need to copy 40 Go from usb1 to usb1 ? |
| 20:56.59 | tatoo | i have a lot of packages installed for woody and i need to recompile my kernel for 2.6 version. i wonder if it will demage the whole system...could please somebody tell me about it? |
| 20:57.20 | strubbel | paulswm: are the ip-*.d scripts run? |
| 20:57.35 | abrotman | tatoo: woody isn't capable of running 2.6 with out some outside help |
| 20:57.41 | jariep1_ | can somebody walk me through modconf, I have a spanish based distro with spanish language support but there are some problems with it so the spanish text has some errors in modconf, so it's difficult to understand what it's asking for. Can somebody help to walk me through the modconf menus? |
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| 20:57.53 | paulswm | strubbel: yes |
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| 20:58.20 | paulswm | strubbel: actually, on redial I can't remember, didn't often lose my connection |
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| 20:58.37 | paulswm | strubbel: surely the man pages say |
| 20:58.38 | tatoo | abrotman: sorry...u meant about my packages installed for woody? what is "outside help"? |
| 20:58.42 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:58.42 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:58.47 | abrotman | !tell tatoo about bunk2.6 |
| 20:58.47 | strubbel | paulswm: then i'll give it a second chance, maybe it didn't work due to a bug in one of these scripts. |
| 20:58.51 | abrotman | !tell tatoo about kp |
| 20:59.01 | jariep1_ | does somebody have experience with modconf? |
| 20:59.02 | greycat | !spell tatoo |
| 20:59.02 | dpkg | possible spellings for tatoo: tattoo taboo |
| 20:59.03 | abrotman | tatoo: i meant to get 2.6 running on woody |
| 20:59.11 | greycat | jariep1_: /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:59.26 | strubbel | paulswm: i wanted too much in one turn :) |
| 20:59.33 | paulswm | strubbel: heh |
| 20:59.50 | MSIGuy | dpkg, What's u problem? |
| 20:59.52 | dpkg | MSIGuy: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:59.53 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
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| 21:00.14 | greycat | because it *doesn't know*? |
| 21:00.15 | paulswm | strubbel: I remember having to insert a 'sleep' script so it didn't restart chronyd too soon |
| 21:00.17 | abrotman | too obvious |
| 21:00.22 | xorAxAx | another question, why does "/usr/bin/unicode_start" stall? |
| 21:00.24 | xorAxAx | how can i trace it? |
| 21:00.25 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | MSI guy doesnt have sex with animals, if you would like to know |
| 21:00.29 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | as you called him a bugger |
| 21:00.35 | MSIGuy | I am from Montana |
| 21:00.37 | strubbel | paulswm: aha |
| 21:00.39 | greycat | bugger normally refers to anal sex, not bestiality. |
| 21:00.55 | greycat | not sure what that has to do with MSI though. |
| 21:01.05 | MSIGuy | Me neither. |
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| 21:01.09 | Ireul | please, I've cannot ap-get dist-upgrade on my debian unstable, it told me that there aren't upgrades :( |
| 21:01.11 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | HAHHAAHHAAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH |
| 21:01.16 | abrotman | sdfgasdfasdfasdf: go away |
| 21:01.20 | paulswm | !nickometer sdfgasdfasdfasdf |
| 21:01.21 | dpkg | 'sdfgasdfasdfasdf' is 0.000% lame, paulswm |
| 21:01.23 | MSIGuy | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAv |
| 21:01.23 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 21:01.25 | Gathond | Ireul: have you run apt-get update ? |
| 21:01.30 | greycat | MSIGuy: sdfgasdfasdfasdf: stop. |
| 21:01.34 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | so your saying im NOT lame? |
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| 21:01.37 | Ireul | Gathond: yes |
| 21:01.40 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | as im 0% lame?\ |
| 21:01.41 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | kewl |
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| 21:01.44 | sdfgasdfasdfasdf | im l33t |
| 21:01.46 | abrotman | just kill him |
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| 21:01.51 | MSIGuy | greycat, ASL? |
| 21:02.02 | greycat | old, horny, and far away. |
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| 21:02.14 | paulswm | what a dickhead |
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| 21:02.31 | Slate | would anyone know why "cardctl ident" would not be able to show the manufacurer information? |
| 21:02.49 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | Slate: because .. it .. <gasp here> .. doesn't know ? |
| 21:02.54 | greycat | why don't you ask another 7 times? maybe someone will magically know then. |
| 21:02.55 | paulswm | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 21:03.29 | Slate | well nobody said a thing the whole time |
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| 21:03.34 | jariep1_ | how do you change the language on a debian based distro? |
| 21:03.34 | Raf256 | !nickometer raf256 |
| 21:03.38 | greycat | Slate: yes I did. |
| 21:03.38 | abrotman | Slate: yes .. greycat did |
| 21:03.45 | dondelelcaro | jariep1_: set LANG appropriately |
| 21:03.49 | rdancer | Slate: because your manuf id database is old |
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| 21:03.51 | asuffield | 'horny' is not a gender. that's almost as bad as /city of heroes/ ('male', 'female', or 'huge') |
| 21:04.00 | guestish | anyone know how to convert 6-channel aac audio at 24Hz into 5.1 dvd compliant ac3 audio? |
| 21:04.02 | paulswm | Slate: that is usually becasue someone doesn't know or is disinclined to answer |
| 21:04.08 | abrotman | guestish: with care!! |
| 21:04.12 | jla | Is phf.apache.org temporarily down, or old news and no longer supported. I'm failing to find it or a statement on apache.org saying what it's state/fate is. If it's history, the comments in httpd.conf should be too. |
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| 21:04.21 | greycat | asuffield: he asked for "sex", to which my normal response would've been "Yes, please"... should've used that instead, I suppose. |
| 21:04.24 | sussudio | !fgi guestish just fucking do it |
| 21:04.25 | dpkg | guestish: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=just fucking do it |
| 21:04.30 | guestish | sussudio: i did! |
| 21:04.41 | rdancer | guestish: mplayer could know that. also #dolbylabsinc |
| 21:04.42 | guestish | sussudio: it isnt that obvious, and all my results are for the other way! |
| 21:04.44 | greycat | that would've required semicolons or slashes instead of commas, of course. I was thrown by the lack of slashes in A/S/L |
| 21:04.53 | Slate | so is there any way i could make it know?... hardcoding for one card? |
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| 21:04.57 | strubbel | grrr...i don't want to restart pppd now, so i have to wait 2 days to see the efect #*%&$ |
| 21:05.00 | guestish | rdancer: no one there |
| 21:05.04 | guestish | rdancer: and im asking in #mplayer |
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| 21:05.22 | rdancer | guestish: damnit. must have something to do with their insane nda agreements! |
| 21:05.25 | tatoo | abrotman: do u think that should be a good idea compile my kernel and rebuild my packages for the sarge? i just would like to know your opinion if you don't mind of course.... |
| 21:05.31 | rdancer | s/agreements// |
| 21:05.35 | guestish | rdancer: ? |
| 21:05.39 | tatoo | abrotman: btw, thanks for the notes! ;) |
| 21:05.41 | strubbel | s/efect/effect/ |
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| 21:05.49 | abrotman | tatoo: i'd upgrade to sarge .. i'm not sure why you're compiling your own stuff anyways |
| 21:06.02 | keith_ | Is there anyone out there who can help me with xine? |
| 21:06.06 | abrotman | tatoo: upgrade is assuming it's a workstation |
| 21:06.16 | abrotman | keith_: don't ask to ask .. just ask |
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| 21:06.40 | rdancer | guestish: when you buy dolby, you have to sign a statement that says you won't ever open the box, reverse-engineer it, etc. maybe it's a fud, though |
| 21:06.58 | guestish | rdancer: i know ffmpeg can encode ac3, but i dont know the settings |
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| 21:07.09 | abrotman | paulswm: /msg dpkg info enigma |
| 21:07.21 | rdancer | guestish: let's play hangman: ---- |
| 21:07.43 | abrotman | rdancer: F ? |
| 21:07.46 | abrotman | u? |
| 21:07.47 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, I'll try it |
| 21:07.48 | abrotman | c? |
| 21:07.53 | rdancer | __F_ |
| 21:07.54 | abrotman | paulswm: it's fun |
| 21:07.56 | Delph | abrotman: tsk on you. |
| 21:08.00 | tatoo | abrotman: cuz i need to run ipvs on this machine and it's not supported by my kernel. |
| 21:08.00 | abrotman | Delph: sorry |
| 21:08.02 | keith_ | I've got xine on screen but cannot read the dvd drive. What's the next step? |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | ipvs ? |
| 21:08.20 | abrotman | cdrom group ? |
| 21:08.21 | tatoo | abrotman: yes, it's a workstation...a lab machine.... |
| 21:08.27 | abrotman | tatoo: ipvs ? |
| 21:08.31 | tatoo | yeap |
| 21:08.32 | Delph | abrotman: you need to wait for the hangman to update before going on =:) |
| 21:08.36 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 21:08.44 | abrotman | rdancer: T!! |
| 21:08.49 | rdancer | _TF_ |
| 21:08.53 | abrotman | tatoo: what is .. ipvs ? |
| 21:08.55 | abrotman | R |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | M |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | !!! |
| 21:08.57 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 21:08.58 | rdancer | RTFM |
| 21:09.02 | rdancer | !win abrotman |
| 21:09.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 21:09.06 | abrotman | I'm going to disney world!!! |
| 21:09.15 | abrotman | (and i get a sponsor deal with pepsi!!) |
| 21:09.15 | rdancer | woohoo! |
| 21:09.18 | nvz | oh well screw this idea.. I am not going to jump this think out cause I dont know what half the shit it does is. seems to control the power switch and everything |
| 21:10.23 | toresbe | paulswm: You'd probably love my UNIVAC lighter :) |
| 21:10.39 | paulswm | toresbe: oh, man, I am _jealous_ |
| 21:11.05 | toresbe | paulswm: It has a remington rand logo and univac written on it |
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| 21:11.24 | toresbe | paulswm: It's a Zippo |
| 21:11.42 | toresbe | In the wrong case, though, for a wider lighter |
| 21:11.45 | tatoo | abrotman: IP Virtual Server. |
| 21:11.46 | paulswm | toresbe: that is very cool |
| 21:11.56 | abrotman | tatoo: you're still not helping :) |
| 21:12.02 | abrotman | what is an IP virtual server? |
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| 21:12.13 | abrotman | like .. dhcp ? |
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| 21:12.19 | paulswm | I am still trying to figure out what nvz said |
| 21:12.24 | toresbe | abrotman: It's a server that pretends to do something sensible |
| 21:12.39 | toresbe | abrotman: Like Microsoft 2003 Server |
| 21:12.41 | abrotman | toresbe: i've seen one of those .. come wiht windows i think |
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| 21:12.54 | Delph | abrotman: virtual server: eg whatever www.google.co.uk resolves to. |
| 21:13.11 | tatoo | abrotman: take a look at www.linuxvirtualserver.org. I and my friend wanna play w/ this kindda of web servers application... |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | Delph: that's dns .. you can't fool me :) |
| 21:13.29 | jason__ | can anyone tell me the difference between apt and aptitude |
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| 21:13.41 | abrotman | !apt |
| 21:13.42 | dpkg | from memory, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 21:13.44 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 21:13.44 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 21:13.45 | tatoo | abrotman: the explanation was better now? |
| 21:13.46 | Aaton | public IP --> Multiple machine behind that "Virtual IP" handle the load and traffic. to the user its one machine |
| 21:13.50 | abrotman | tatoo: a cluster :) |
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| 21:14.01 | abrotman | load balanced cluster afaict |
| 21:14.08 | tatoo | abrotman: :) yes. |
| 21:14.09 | Aaton | yep |
| 21:14.16 | tatoo | abrotman: sorry friend... |
| 21:14.19 | tatoo | :( |
| 21:14.19 | abrotman | that's all oyu had to say :) .. don't confuse the bot! |
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| 21:14.42 | abrotman | tatoo: and does sarge and 2.6 have this built in? |
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| 21:14.55 | toresbe | paulswm: Never used, too :) |
| 21:14.59 | tatoo | abrotman: now i was noticed that ipvs just runs under 2.6... |
| 21:15.07 | abrotman | tatoo: oh .. ok |
| 21:15.09 | t1ger | Hello Debians :) |
| 21:15.09 | tatoo | abrotman: ....as i told u |
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| 21:15.13 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:15.13 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:15.18 | toresbe | paulswm: I love it so much ;) |
| 21:15.26 | abrotman | tatoo: well . i'd upgrade to sarge personally .. esp if it's not publically accessible |
| 21:15.28 | paulswm | toresbe: I'm going to throttle you if you don't stop tormenting me :> |
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| 21:15.34 | toresbe | paulswm: :) |
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| 21:15.53 | phy|rdc | how do i disable acpi on the boot line? |
| 21:15.54 | abrotman | tatoo: and they have ipvs for 2.4 .. just an older version |
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| 21:15.57 | tatoo | abrotman: but i spent my entire day to install woody and its package and now i'm afraid for happening something i don't want to |
| 21:15.58 | phy|rdc | the system wont boot with acpi enabled |
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| 21:16.11 | abrotman | tatoo: like explosion? |
| 21:16.15 | phy|rdc | the bootloader is lilo by the wayt |
| 21:16.17 | paulswm | phy|rdc: acpi=off |
| 21:16.19 | phy|rdc | k |
| 21:16.21 | phy|rdc | ty |
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| 21:16.27 | tatoo | abrotman: no, it's not public. |
| 21:16.29 | phy|rdc | cant get the debian netinstall cd to damned boot |
| 21:16.32 | abrotman | tatoo: then sarge away! |
| 21:16.35 | phy|rdc | coz of it |
| 21:16.36 | phy|rdc | heh |
| 21:16.37 | tatoo | abrotman: explosion? |
| 21:16.40 | abrotman | tatoo: what have you compiled you can't replace? |
| 21:16.43 | abrotman | tatoo: you konw .. blue smoke |
| 21:16.45 | abrotman | !magic smoke |
| 21:16.45 | dpkg | Did you know computers run on smoke? You can tell because if the smoke escapes, they stop working. |
| 21:16.52 | phy|rdc | lol |
| 21:16.52 | tatoo | got it |
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| 21:16.59 | Duelist | How do I change my PATH for all shells started under my GNOME session? |
| 21:17.06 | Duelist | I thought it was .xprofile but apparently that doesn't get run |
| 21:17.22 | abrotman | tatoo: you have broadband right? |
| 21:17.46 | tatoo | abrotman: just the kernel....and some packages for woody. yes, i have a broadband. |
| 21:17.50 | t1ger | Anybody have issues with Sil311X and seagate SATA disk ? |
| 21:17.56 | greycat | t1ger: you. |
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| 21:18.22 | abrotman | tatoo: you've not compiled anything yet/ |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:18.28 | tatoo | abrotman: i would like (just for sure that the OS is gonna load) to put the "lilo menu" that has gone when i recompiled my kernel... |
| 21:18.42 | paulswm | Duelist: .bash_profile or .bashrc if you're using bash |
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| 21:18.46 | abrotman | tatoo: you want a lilo menu? .. or switch to grub ? |
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| 21:18.58 | t1ger | Greycat: Yepp ;D, I was hoping other might have managed to patch their way. |
| 21:19.05 | abrotman | tatoo: the lilo menu is controlled by lilo.conf .. uncomment prompt,timeout,delay |
| 21:19.07 | tatoo | abrotman: so, if i have any trouble w/ sarge, at least i can switch the kernels.. |
| 21:19.15 | greycat | !tell t1ger about ask |
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| 21:19.22 | abrotman | tatoo: you could install sarge clean if you prefer ? |
| 21:19.24 | tatoo | abrotman: lilo menu |
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| 21:19.34 | abrotman | tatoo: i just todl you .. uncomment prompt,delay,timeout |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | int he lilo.conf |
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| 21:19.46 | abrotman | my typing ksills are going today |
| 21:19.48 | abrotman | see |
| 21:20.02 | t1ger | Gray: Point taken :), I try behave |
| 21:20.08 | Duelist | paulswm: .bash_profile and .bashrc aren't getting run for some reason |
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| 21:20.23 | Araldit | Does anyone know if it is possible to get rid of that panel bar that comes when XMMS is opened.. The bar that you can push when its minimized to maximize. I already got a dock icon, which is enough. |
| 21:20.27 | Duelist | I'm supposed to have ~/bin in there and it's not there |
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| 21:21.03 | totov | Hy all, at this time i administrate a firewall proxy for my work ,over 100 stations ,but in a not very long time , 1 month there will be over 700 workstation behind the FW/Prox , am i oblige to review my installation ?, someone knows a tools to test the FW/P like tsunami for http server ?? |
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| 21:21.08 | abrotman | Araldit: i've not seen a way .. the closest i found was to use cornerXMMS |
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| 21:21.54 | Araldit | abrotman: k. Damn |
| 21:21.56 | abrotman | totov: go over your rules etc .. but what are the specs ont he machine/firewall ? |
| 21:22.00 | abrotman | Araldit: ask #xmms ? |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | if there is one |
| 21:22.07 | Araldit | k |
| 21:22.10 | cafuego | totov: Give apachebench a try or something. What sort of hardware is it? |
| 21:22.34 | paulswm | Duelist: if you are using gnome-terminal, edit the profile and make sure "run as a login shell" is checked |
| 21:22.57 | totov | abrotman : a celeron 2gHz , with 1G RAM a poor IDE hd of 20Gb , and 2 eth 8139 100Mb |
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| 21:23.12 | abrotman | totov: ohly god .. except for the NIC .. i don't see a problem |
| 21:23.16 | abrotman | err holy god |
| 21:23.20 | Duelist | paulswm: Doh! Thanks |
| 21:23.25 | Delph | totov: tbf, so long as the NIC can keep up you've not got a problem. |
| 21:23.27 | tatoo | abrotman: ok, i uncomment prompt, delay, timeout and... message=/boot/bootmess.txt...is that correct? |
| 21:23.31 | paulswm | Duelist: np :) |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | tatoo: did you rerun lilo ? |
| 21:23.43 | Duelist | It's just one of those days |
| 21:23.47 | greycat | !rt81x9.c |
| 21:23.51 | greycat | hmm. |
| 21:23.54 | totov | Sorry guys , but ... NIC ? what is this ? |
| 21:23.57 | abrotman | rtl ? |
| 21:24.00 | Delph | Network Interface Card |
| 21:24.02 | greycat | !rtl81x9.c |
| 21:24.02 | dpkg | i heard rtl81x9.c is the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
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| 21:24.10 | paulswm | Duelist: it's always the dumb little things that really get you |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | like cats |
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| 21:24.37 | greycat | and end users |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | !magic hate ball |
| 21:24.49 | tatoo | abrotman: yes, but a message "duplicated entry delay at or above line...." show me up... |
| 21:24.56 | paulswm | and windows weenies |
| 21:24.59 | tatoo | abrotman: looking for another delay... |
| 21:25.03 | greycat | paulswm: see <end users> |
| 21:25.03 | abrotman | tatoo: make sure you didn't uncomment more than one delay |
| 21:25.09 | totov | greycat : txs |
| 21:25.10 | abrotman | tatoo: iirc .. there are two in the file |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | totov: just find 2 other NICs .. should be more than fine |
| 21:25.38 | t1ger | !sata_sil |
| 21:25.39 | abrotman | (my firewall is only a 2Ghz with 1GB of ram .. will that work for 10 workstations? ) :) |
| 21:25.48 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 21:25.48 | dpkg | i heard sata faq is at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 21:26.25 | totov | abrotman : ok thanks for this :) , an idea about the cards ?? |
| 21:26.25 | abrotman | totov: alternately .. if you're that worried .. ask cisco or someone similar what they would recommend and the price |
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| 21:26.41 | abrotman | totov: tulip .. e100 .. pcnet ? |
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| 21:26.52 | totov | abrotman : ok , great |
| 21:26.58 | cafuego | totov: I think you'll be wanting to do something about the HDD, then. See if you can get three cheapish IDe drives and run them in RAID-0 with a single hot spare. That should make i/o nice and fast for the cache. |
| 21:27.01 | abrotman | totov: see if anyone else has a suggestion ... |
| 21:27.17 | Delph | cafuego: its a firewall. you dont need much disk I/O on a firewall... |
| 21:27.18 | abrotman | totov: for me .. a nic is basically a nic .. i'm not pushing high bandwidth stuff |
| 21:27.23 | cafuego | totov: e100 or 3c59x |
| 21:27.26 | tatoo | abrotman: delay is written in seconds right (i found the other one and just comment it)? |
| 21:27.33 | cafuego | Delph: Also proxy (which implies squid to me) |
| 21:27.35 | abrotman | tatoo: uhm .. i bleieve so |
| 21:27.49 | cafuego | totov: it *is* also a squid box, right? |
| 21:28.02 | totov | abrotman cafuego : txs for answering , cause i'm lack of hardware experience ;) |
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| 21:29.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:29.32 | abrotman | i've been trying to switch to all grub |
| 21:29.38 | abrotman | seems to fail a little more gracefully |
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| 21:30.13 | paulswm | I'm all grub now, and very happy with it, it's certainly a bit easier when moving stuff around on disks |
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| 21:30.50 | abrotman | yeah .. i've a few left here at work to switch .. but not too many |
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| 21:30.57 | abrotman | and i gotta get the alphas upgraded :) |
| 21:31.11 | abrotman | and one i have to flash yet |
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| 21:31.52 | tatoo | abrotman: another error, better, one warning and one fatal... |
| 21:31.54 | royce | anyone besides me seeing this in apache's error.log recently? |
| 21:31.59 | abrotman | tatoo: lovely |
| 21:32.02 | royce | /usr/sbin/apache: relocation error: /usr/lib/php4/20020429/mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_sprintf |
| 21:32.07 | abrotman | tatoo: gonna tell me what it is ? :) |
| 21:32.18 | tatoo | abrotman: the warning tells ... funny! :) |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | it's funny? |
| 21:32.31 | totov | another question : am'i loosing responsitivity or stability , if i pass my smtp and http server under UML ? in brief are proxing ARP and tuntap too heavy for the system (2 Xeon with 256 Ram ) ? :) |
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| 21:32.55 | tatoo | abrotman: anyway...the warning tells that /proc/partitions does not match /dev/ directory structure |
| 21:33.06 | dondelelcaro | err... smullyan |
| 21:33.08 | abrotman | tatoo: hrm .. i think that's ok |
| 21:33.16 | tatoo | abrotman: i'm kidding...it's not funny. |
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| 21:33.28 | tatoo | abrotman: and the fatal... |
| 21:33.48 | abrotman | tatoo: that's a freaking odd error .. don't make me move you to grub :) |
| 21:34.05 | abrotman | tatoo: so all you did was uncomment those lines .. and it died? |
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| 21:34.18 | tatoo | abrotman: "open /boot/boomess.txt: No such file or directory" and if fact it doesn't have... |
| 21:34.28 | abrotman | totov: so comment that line ? |
| 21:34.37 | tatoo | abrotman: yes |
| 21:34.38 | abrotman | tatoo: and i thought it was bootmess |
| 21:34.38 | ribnitz | how likely is a media-error (Drive-ready seek-complete) on a CD-R? |
| 21:34.45 | abrotman | that's your drive |
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| 21:34.55 | cafuego | totov: 256Mb ram seems a bit little. |
| 21:34.57 | tatoo | abrotman: no, i wouldn't like to move to grub. :( |
| 21:35.01 | abrotman | tatoo: ok |
| 21:35.08 | cafuego | totov: I'd want a minimum of 512Mb on an UML box |
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| 21:35.20 | ribnitz | abrotman: seen that on harddisks. |
| 21:35.28 | abrotman | ribnitz: i'm pretty sure the drive is going |
| 21:35.30 | tatoo | abrotman: sorry...bootmess.txt. |
| 21:35.32 | abrotman | ribnitz: don't quote me |
| 21:35.36 | ribnitz | abrotman: never on removable media. |
| 21:35.42 | abrotman | tatoo: can you recomment the line .. and redo it? |
| 21:35.48 | tatoo | sure |
| 21:35.50 | abrotman | ribnitz: i've seen it on cdroms ... |
| 21:36.03 | ribnitz | abrotman: had it on two independent drives at the same size. |
| 21:36.17 | abrotman | ribnitz: does it fail on any other cds ? |
| 21:36.29 | ribnitz | abrotman: no, other cds work fine. |
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| 21:36.50 | paulswm | ribnitz: so it's a cd problem then |
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| 21:36.55 | ribnitz | abrotman: actually its a dvd-rw (or r drive) |
| 21:37.07 | real_ | anyone knows how to fix this: SMTP Error: Recipient not accepted. Verify your relay rules ¿? |
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| 21:37.23 | tatoo | abrotman: the warning persists...but lilo runed correctly. |
| 21:37.28 | ribnitz | paulswm: how many bad cd-rs did ya have in the last few months to years? |
| 21:37.31 | abrotman | runed? |
| 21:37.34 | abrotman | runned? |
| 21:37.37 | abrotman | ran ? |
| 21:37.54 | abrotman | ribnitz: then i guess a bad burn .. but i've seen that error on failing cdroms |
| 21:38.02 | abrotman | tatoo: so lilo installed? |
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| 21:38.09 | tatoo | abrotman: wow! sorry English grammar... |
| 21:38.12 | paulswm | ribnitz: none, I don't use many cds though |
| 21:38.14 | tatoo | ran |
| 21:38.16 | ribnitz | abrotman: by cdroms you mean the drive or the disk? |
| 21:38.17 | tatoo | :-P |
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| 21:38.27 | totov | cafuego : ok , but is it stable , can i give this solution to my hierarchie with not so many risk, caus' i'm testing UML for 2 weeks , works great and fun for 10 stations but over 500 is it a risk for the proxing ARP? in brief is the UML just a funny game or can i propose a solution with this ? |
| 21:39.15 | abrotman | ribnitz: the drive |
| 21:39.19 | cureless | real_, probably, but you need to ask a better question. |
| 21:39.31 | abrotman | tatoo: are you gonna be mad if it explodes? |
| 21:39.57 | real_ | cureless: i cant send a mail from my mailserver, i get that error and i dont know how to fix it, do you know how to? |
| 21:40.26 | cafuego | totov: You have more then enough cpu power to run 8 or so UMLs on that box, just need more RAM. (256Mb per UML min) You *will* also want to probably raid5 that machine, for improved reliability and performance. |
| 21:40.37 | tatoo | abrotman: there's another detail i forgot to paste just under the warning line: "Name change : '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 21:40.46 | cafuego | totov: When you start running a couple of UMLs they all want I/O, so the faster the drives, the better. |
| 21:40.49 | abrotman | tatoo: yeah . i've seen that |
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| 21:40.58 | cafuego | totov: *especially* when they server mail/web |
| 21:41.05 | tatoo | abrotman: yes, i am... |
| 21:41.06 | cureless | real_, maybe, but you are not asking the right questions. What mail server? What is your config? |
| 21:41.15 | abrotman | cafuego: here .. i've been trying to figure out why you're running a couple of UMLs .. thinking the language |
| 21:41.21 | real_ | cureless: i got qmail+vpopmail |
| 21:41.25 | totov | cafuego : txs , my question was not so clear (scuse my poor english) but your answer was , ;) |
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| 21:41.37 | cafuego | abrotman: I don't run a couple of UMLs. |
| 21:41.42 | abrotman | tatoo: well .. then we'll say a little prayer before you go |
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| 21:41.45 | uGexe | i have integrated intel sound, but it uses the Realtek ALC860 chipset. when i go to the alsa website, they dont say anything about realtek, but apparently the alc860 chipset is well supported... am I suppose to use the intel module or what? |
| 21:41.48 | abrotman | cafuego: i finally realized it was User Mode |
| 21:41.50 | hawk16 | is anyone here familar with wine? |
| 21:41.55 | abrotman | #winehq |
| 21:42.00 | cafuego | abrotman: <heh> |
| 21:42.02 | abrotman | cafuego: yeah .. i'm slow today |
| 21:42.14 | tatoo | abrotman: u mean....should i reboot it now and see what happen? |
| 21:42.19 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm surprised I'm not slower. |
| 21:42.29 | cureless | real_, where are you sending the mail from? What domain is the qmail configured to? What email are you sending from when you send? Is the server and the client on the same machine? What you need to do is google for information. The answer is out there. |
| 21:43.00 | cafuego | totov: For a high end server, more ram is better. It will use it as file cache, so it needs less disk access. |
| 21:43.01 | abrotman | tatoo: would you like dpkg to say a prayer first? |
| 21:43.05 | totov | abrotman : <<abrotman totov: so comment that line ? >> : sorry but i'm translating so slow |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | !bless tatoo |
| 21:43.06 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child tatoo, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 21:43.13 | cafuego | totov: probably throw in 2GB or something if you can. |
| 21:43.18 | tatoo | abrotman: noooooo |
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| 21:43.30 | abrotman | tatoo: if it does .. get this |
| 21:43.31 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 21:43.31 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 21:43.35 | tatoo | noooooo...it can be happening!!! |
| 21:43.36 | RedPenguin | Can using mv or cp to copy files to an NFSd, cause it to freez? |
| 21:43.36 | abrotman | it will be much less painful |
| 21:43.38 | RedPenguin | *freeze? |
| 21:43.40 | tatoo | my little child! |
| 21:43.40 | abrotman | tatoo: what? |
| 21:44.04 | cafuego | RedPenguin: Depends on the nic, kernel version etc. |
| 21:44.05 | tatoo | abrotman: just making a drama.... |
| 21:44.15 | abrotman | tatoo: ok |
| 21:44.15 | cafuego | RedPenguin: Ideally it wouldn't freeze, but a crappy nic can lock up, yes. |
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| 21:45.27 | tatoo | abrotman: the window w/ the information about the partition as well as the boot prompt will not show me up, will it? |
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| 21:45.43 | ifys | anyone would help to configure a atheros wifi mini pci card |
| 21:45.44 | RedPenguin | Well, the main machine that I used for my NFSd is a Network Everywhere card |
| 21:45.52 | totov | cafuego, abrotman , many thanks and good night .. babaille . |
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| 21:46.01 | RedPenguin | The kernel used to freeze over it, but now it just restarts |
| 21:46.07 | tatoo | *thinking seriously to move to grub* |
| 21:46.08 | RedPenguin | Before it used to panic |
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| 21:46.27 | RedPenguin | This machine has an ACCTON but I dont' know if that would have anything to do with it |
| 21:46.28 | astronut | what is iceweasel? |
| 21:46.28 | cafuego | RedPenguin: I think you need to looking for a new network card. |
| 21:46.39 | paulswm | tatoo: you'll probably like it better, but the setup takes a bit of getting used to |
| 21:46.39 | abrotman | tatoo: say what? |
| 21:46.48 | cafuego | tatoo: Enjoy, good luck! |
| 21:46.51 | abrotman | tatoo: don't you want that? |
| 21:46.55 | cafuego | !grr |
| 21:46.56 | ribnitz | abrotman: ideas on how to speed up cdwriting in 2.6.10, ide-scsi no longer works, and ide-cd/ATAPI is horribly slow. |
| 21:47.04 | abrotman | ribnitz: faster drive! |
| 21:47.10 | cafuego | ribnitz: Run it in DMA mode, works great here. |
| 21:47.13 | jla | astronut a name. Read the thread on debian-legal |
| 21:47.17 | abrotman | dma .. packet writing stuff crap |
| 21:47.18 | ribnitz | cafuego: how? |
| 21:47.22 | astronut | jla: link? |
| 21:47.23 | paulswm | ribnitz: hdparm |
| 21:47.28 | RedPenguin | cafuego, well if it is the NIC freezing, why would the system just restart? |
| 21:47.33 | astronut | oh wait |
| 21:47.35 | tatoo | abrotman: i said i'm thinking to move to grub...i have bad feelings about reboot this machine.... |
| 21:47.36 | astronut | that's the thread i'm in |
| 21:47.41 | astronut | but i never saw it introduced |
| 21:47.44 | RedPenguin | Even when FreeBSD was on it, it restarted |
| 21:47.46 | abrotman | tatoo: is it dual boot? |
| 21:47.55 | abrotman | sounds like bad hardware |
| 21:47.57 | jla | astronut um, latest debian weekly news, or google "iceweasle debian-legal" ought to do it |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | tatoo: is it only debian ? |
| 21:48.12 | tatoo | paulswm: i used once...it's not so hard.. |
| 21:48.18 | tatoo | abrotman: only debian |
| 21:48.34 | abrotman | tatoo: so it goes boom .. no lost data :) |
| 21:48.34 | ribnitz | paulswm: operation not permitted? |
| 21:48.37 | abrotman | still boom is bad |
| 21:48.40 | ribnitz | for -d1 ? |
| 21:48.44 | jla | astronut they're just pulling a name out of their hat |
| 21:48.48 | abrotman | unless it's a boom boom boom .. let's go back to my room kind of boom |
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| 21:49.07 | cafuego | RedPenguin: You may have a lockup timer kernel or maybe it's just oopsing and restarting. Did you check the kernel log for messages? |
| 21:49.07 | astronut | jla: i was in that thread, from DWN...but never saw whoever suggested it |
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| 21:49.22 | paulswm | ribnitz: I remember hdparming mine OK, you need to do it as root though, I guess it might depend on the drive |
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| 21:49.48 | jla | astronut: you may need to follow a different branch. It is introduced as "we could have thunderbird require iceweasel" or something like that |
| 21:49.56 | astronut | ah |
| 21:49.56 | astronut | ok |
| 21:49.57 | astronut | cool |
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| 21:50.16 | astronut | the threading support sucks |
| 21:50.19 | astronut | to see who replied to what |
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| 21:50.21 | RedPenguin | Well, cafuego, I tried to look for kernel messages, but I switched to metalog from syslog-ng and it puts the logs in all different places, so I am not 100% sure I am looking in the rigt place |
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| 21:50.31 | greycat | debhelper: botsnack |
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| 21:50.52 | cafuego | !ops Floodlamers |
| 21:50.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Floodlamers |
| 21:50.57 | alindeman | I klined 'um |
| 21:51.03 | dvs | What the heck was that? |
| 21:51.04 | tatoo | ok guys....say a pray for me....hope see u soon! |
| 21:51.06 | alindeman | Thanks |
| 21:51.07 | cafuego | goo'boy! |
| 21:51.09 | greycat | dvs: that was a join-flood attack |
| 21:51.16 | paulswm | tatoo: good luck |
| 21:51.20 | dvs | Man! I've never seen one of those. |
| 21:51.26 | tatoo | thanks |
| 21:51.32 | Rawplayer | hmm was in gentoo chnnel to |
| 21:51.35 | abrotman | it was helix's stalker |
| 21:51.35 | LoRez | cafuego: that was worthless. did you not notice the kline? |
| 21:51.38 | tatoo | quit |
| 21:51.52 | Dogers | anyone able to help me figure out why debians ignoring my pci ide card? :( |
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| 21:51.54 | greycat | LoRez: the k-line is not visible to us mortals |
| 21:52.07 | dvs | Dogers: No drivers? |
| 21:52.12 | LoRez | greycat: it should be. I saw the quit's. |
| 21:52.14 | Dogers | its worked straight off before |
| 21:52.18 | greycat | 16:50 = DzZzBf [broken@62.215.146.108] quit (Client Quit) |
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| 21:52.22 | Dogers | but im not booting off it |
| 21:52.34 | greycat | LoRez: the quit message is suppressed by freenode if the client wasn't connected for X seconds |
| 21:52.35 | LoRez | hrm, odd. |
| 21:52.41 | Dogers | dmesg is showing it getting hde,f,g,h but its not showing up in /dev |
| 21:52.43 | jla | astronut I've thought the threading on lists.debian.org was pretty good. Works for me. |
| 21:52.44 | greycat | apparently that happens even if they were k-lined |
| 21:52.52 | dvs | Dogers: It would help if you tell us what the card is. |
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| 21:53.08 | astronut | jla: the "replies" on individual messages is ok, the threaded view sucks |
| 21:53.13 | LoRez | greycat: I realize, but there's apparantly more going on, I got 4/7 klined quits when they mass parted |
| 21:53.16 | Dogers | sorry, maxtor 133tx i believe |
| 21:53.21 | Dogers | will check in a sec :) |
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| 21:53.24 | abrotman | leetx ? |
| 21:53.26 | astronut | hmm |
| 21:53.26 | dvs | Dogers: It would help if you tell us what the _card_ is. |
| 21:53.30 | astronut | nmap is in main right? |
| 21:53.32 | abrotman | lspci |
| 21:53.36 | abrotman | astronut: should be |
| 21:53.37 | jla | ahh. I only use the replies on individual messages. |
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| 21:53.45 | astronut | ya |
| 21:53.45 | astronut | it is |
| 21:53.46 | astronut | hmm |
| 21:53.50 | astronut | doesn't it violate #5? |
| 21:53.59 | astronut | DFSG5? |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | which is? |
| 21:54.06 | astronut | because he cahnged the liscence for SCO |
| 21:54.09 | dvs | Dogers: Actually, if you just want the /dev entries, you can run /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 21:54.11 | astronut | # |
| 21:54.11 | astronut | No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups |
| 21:54.11 | astronut | The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons. |
| 21:54.13 | greycat | LoRez: I got 7/7 "Client Quit" |
| 21:54.19 | ribnitz | ok. went well. also set multiword dma, doubled write speed (9xcdronm to 16x cdrom) |
| 21:54.27 | astronut | didn't fyoder specifically ban SCO in the liscence |
| 21:54.27 | astronut | ? |
| 21:54.29 | abrotman | astronut: how does the license differ for sco ? |
| 21:54.31 | brann | when i try to burn a cd (using the gnome shortcut "burn to cd"), it complains no burner has been found on my system. how can i check it's properly installed/fix it? |
| 21:54.32 | mirak | hi |
| 21:54.37 | LoRez | weird. |
| 21:54.53 | astronut | abrotman: i seem to recall hearing that fyoder specifcally forbade SCO from distributing NMAP |
| 21:54.58 | cafuego | LoRez: I think I still have an /ignore modes running |
| 21:55.02 | abrotman | astronut: check the license? |
| 21:55.09 | Dogers | that doesnt seem to make em show.. :o |
| 21:55.11 | mirak | I got two partitions, one for / one for /home, I have put oracle and matlab in /home, since I don't have space in / . |
| 21:55.11 | Dogers | lspci shows it as a promise tech 20269 |
| 21:55.21 | ribnitz | at 29 cdrom (of a nominal 32..).. :) |
| 21:55.33 | Dogers | ls |
| 21:55.34 | vulture | astronut: I don't see any mention of "SCO" in /usr/share/doc/nmap/copyright |
| 21:55.37 | vulture | at a glance anyway |
| 21:55.38 | abrotman | astronut: the copyright file for sid has no reference to sco |
| 21:55.40 | Dogers | oop :) |
| 21:55.45 | cafuego | Dogers: pdc202xx_new |
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| 21:55.52 | mirak | is it ok to put /home into a sub folder of a mount ? like /secondpartition/home |
| 21:55.57 | mirak | ? |
| 21:55.58 | cafuego | mirak: yep |
| 21:56.00 | ribnitz | mirak: repartition, and put in /var and /usr as well.. |
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| 21:56.19 | Delph | mirak: aye, setting it up properly is probably a good plan. |
| 21:56.24 | cafuego | mirak: Just make SURE it's accessible via /home still OR update /etc/passwd. |
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| 21:56.36 | Dogers | hmm |
| 21:56.49 | mirak | cafuego: why do you talk of /etc/passwd ? |
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| 21:57.05 | cafuego | mirak: Coz if a homedir isn't accessible, a user can't log in. |
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| 21:57.17 | cafuego | mirak: if you move /home to /foo/home, that may be an issue. |
| 21:57.19 | y0z | Hi, I don't know the first thing about linux. Seeking help here. I want to run iptables on a server with the kernel accoring to http://staff.osuosl.org/~kveton/debian/config-2.4.28-dell |
| 21:57.25 | Alex2283 | g'eve everyone |
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| 21:57.36 | y0z | Is it possible without recompiling the kernel? |
| 21:57.50 | usuario | I try to ssh int user@ipaddress and get Name or service not known; we are both behind routers. what could be the problem/solution? |
| 21:57.51 | mirak | cafuego: and if I do a bind or a symlink ? |
| 21:58.00 | cafuego | mirak: Then you'll be fine. |
| 21:58.26 | Xinukid | guys has anoyone used cyrus in here before? |
| 21:58.30 | ribnitz | usuario: are you both running the ssh servers? |
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| 21:58.45 | ribnitz | Xinukid: i did. not long though. |
| 21:58.47 | usuario | ribnitz: he is, I just am trying ssh command |
| 21:58.48 | astronut | ah well |
| 21:58.50 | astronut | don't see anything |
| 21:59.05 | Xinukid | ribnitz: did u managed to configure it? |
| 21:59.17 | astronut | ah |
| 21:59.18 | astronut | wait |
| 21:59.25 | astronut | in the CHANGELOG |
| 21:59.28 | ribnitz | Xinukid: yes, but then had to move away because of performance. |
| 21:59.29 | mirak | cafuego: in fact actually, /home is mounted directly on a partition. or the opposite |
| 21:59.48 | Xinukid | ribnitz: which debian were u running at the time? |
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| 21:59.55 | mirak | well nevermind for now :) |
| 21:59.55 | Xinukid | stable or unstable? |
| 21:59.57 | ribnitz | Xinukid: "woody" |
| 21:59.58 | astronut | we hereby |
| 21:59.58 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.58 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.58 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.03 | astronut | oops |
| 22:00.10 | astronut | anyone want to see that? i'll paste it in #flood |
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| 22:00.19 | astronut | there's about a paragraph there |
| 22:00.19 | ribnitz | Xinukid: now its an exim4 setup with sarge |
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| 22:00.40 | Xinukid | ribnitz: you see i have i installed and the server is running but when i try to use cyradmin it doesnt accept the usernam and password |
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| 22:00.54 | Xinukid | im running it on woody |
| 22:00.56 | Xinukid | not sarge |
| 22:01.07 | pixelmonkey | why can't everyone just use debian? I just spent 1 full hour watching progress bars fly for 100MB of updates in up2date |
| 22:01.07 | ribnitz | Xinukid: you need to login as (root user) and configure the users |
| 22:01.15 | Xinukid | i idi |
| 22:01.17 | Xinukid | i did |
| 22:01.22 | Xinukid | dont work check this |
| 22:01.33 | dvs | pixelmonkey: you make it sound like a bad thing. |
| 22:01.33 | y0z | Can I run iptables as a module? |
| 22:01.34 | astronut | abrotman: i found it |
| 22:01.36 | astronut | it's in the changelog |
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| 22:02.11 | pixelmonkey | dvs: Just a few days ago it took the same amount of time for me to do about 800MB worth of updates spread across a few hundred packages... this was about 20 packages |
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| 22:02.21 | hetore | Why wont my wireless pcmcia card light up when i modprobe ndiswrapper; it lights up in knoppix when i load it |
| 22:02.24 | RRT | what is a good way to create a direct connection between my machine (in DMZ) and another machine on the internet? |
| 22:02.28 | pixelmonkey | dvs: on my desktop debian system |
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| 22:02.43 | pixelmonkey | dvs: I'm talking the cost of downloading is amortized, I'm on a 500kb/sec connection here |
| 22:02.45 | astronut | also |
| 22:02.57 | hetore | Ive had this same problem with slackware... =`( |
| 22:02.59 | astronut | o SCO operating systems are no longer supported due to their recent (and absurd) attacks against Linux and IBM. |
| 22:03.02 | astronut | and it goes on |
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| 22:03.14 | kristoffe | i cant figure out what to put in root (xxx,0) in the grub menu.lst file after a kernel install/upgrade, i can boot with my previous kernel that has 'root (hd1,0) in the menu.lst and then it boots up, but not with this kernel, it complaints about that section, uhm |
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| 22:03.46 | hetore | Is anyone familiar with ndiswrapper? |
| 22:03.46 | Alex2283 | has anyone ever tried installing to usb stick / running a system completely off of usb stick ? |
| 22:03.55 | Alex2283 | (vs ramdisk) |
| 22:04.10 | cafuego | hetore: Famailiar enough to run screaming to the store and buy a real wifi card, yes. |
| 22:04.12 | blutengel | Alex2283: i have built a free dos on it |
| 22:04.12 | pook | i'm trying to install the ipw2200 driver for my centrino wireless and in the installation instructions it says that "The kernel must not be configured to enable wireless capabilities (CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y) |
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| 22:04.27 | tatoo | hey everybody |
| 22:04.31 | pook | how would I go about doing that |
| 22:04.31 | tatoo | still alive |
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| 22:04.52 | tatoo | abrotman: next step: recompile my kernel? |
| 22:04.54 | Alex2283 | blutengel, mhm... not what i'm looking for ;) dos isn't a problem |
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| 22:05.18 | caphuso | pook: by not using a kernel that has CONFIG_NET_RADIO set |
| 22:05.34 | caphuso | damn, that was hard to answer... |
| 22:06.04 | abrotman | tatoo: or upgrade to sarge |
| 22:06.05 | pook | oops..i mean it MUST BE enabled |
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| 22:06.13 | abrotman | tatoo: i'm glad you lived :) |
| 22:06.16 | caphuso | pook: then by using a kernel that has CONFIG_NET_RADIO set |
| 22:06.23 | caphuso | damn, that was even harder to answer... |
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| 22:06.26 | pook | so i have to recompile? |
| 22:06.33 | tatoo | abrotman: me too! |
| 22:06.51 | cafuego | pook: it will be enabled on any default debian kernels. |
| 22:06.52 | Xinukid | ribnitz: application-specific initialization failed: usage: cyradm [-user user] [-protection prot] server [port] |
| 22:06.53 | tatoo | abrotman: better...i should upgrade it! |
| 22:07.05 | pook | cafuego: ok thx |
| 22:07.08 | abrotman | !tell tatoo about woody->sarge |
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| 22:07.35 | cafuego | Xinukid: cyradm -user root localhost <return> root password <return> |
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| 22:08.19 | WiFiTux | How do I move a file in ssh from the remote PC to my current one? |
| 22:08.26 | caphuso | WiFiTux: scp |
| 22:08.32 | ribnitz | Xinukid: no idea. long time ago. |
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| 22:08.49 | ribnitz | WiFiTux: scp |
| 22:09.00 | lobomufas | hi |
| 22:09.00 | psywar | christ in a handbasket, a corrupt installation was not the problem I had when compiling zaptel |
| 22:09.03 | psywar | I just did a fresh re-install and I'm still getting loads of errors. |
| 22:09.03 | ribnitz | on the fly copy is noticeably slower. |
| 22:09.11 | hetore | WiFiTux: do you use ndiswrapper? |
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| 22:09.27 | WiFiTux | caphuso: ok, so Inside the ssh use scp, OK, but I don't understand the syntax... |
| 22:09.33 | psywar | Has anyone else installed sarge recently? Could you try to compile the zaptel tarball? |
| 22:09.36 | WiFiTux | hetore: driverloader. |
| 22:09.42 | Alex2283 | WiFiTux, not in ssh necessarily |
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| 22:09.54 | hetore | WiFiTux: doesnt that one cost money? |
| 22:09.59 | caphuso | WiFiTux: it doesn't matter where you use scp, it'll start a new connection anyways, and the syntax is explained in the man page |
| 22:10.03 | WiFiTux | hetore: yes. |
| 22:10.05 | Alex2283 | WiFiTux, it runs seperately from ssh |
| 22:10.13 | psywar | debian is pissing me off, what's up with a broken fresh install? |
| 22:10.13 | stazich | hi, any of u guys know how to create a partition in Debian? |
| 22:10.17 | WiFiTux | caphuso: :| |
| 22:10.18 | lobomufas | WiFiTux: scp source destiny |
| 22:10.20 | WiFiTux | Alex2283: ok. |
| 22:10.21 | cafuego | hetore: Why don't you just ask yuor question? |
| 22:10.27 | WiFiTux | lobomufas: thanks. |
| 22:10.28 | lobomufas | the remote host will be user@host |
| 22:10.42 | ribnitz | stazich: cfdisk, parted,... |
| 22:10.47 | WiFiTux | lobomufas: cool |
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| 22:11.00 | hetore | cafuego: i have, the problem im having is that the light on the wireless card wont come on when i modprobe ndiswrapper... but it does come on when i issue the same command in knoppix |
| 22:11.19 | caphuso | lobomufas: or the local host, if he runs the command via ssh on the remote machine |
| 22:11.23 | somiaj | how do you test if an enviorment varible is set for a sh script |
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| 22:11.34 | astronut | abrotman: did you see what i said earlier? |
| 22:11.38 | hetore | somiaj: ask in #bash |
| 22:11.44 | abrotman | astronut: i saw you get kicked :0 |
| 22:11.47 | astronut | lol |
| 22:11.50 | astronut | it's in the changelog |
| 22:11.53 | abrotman | astronut: i couldn't find it in the debian change log or the license |
| 22:11.56 | lobomufas | caphuso: I wish to "include" local host in that case, so my english aknowledgment don't let me do ;) |
| 22:11.59 | abrotman | astronut: so maybe he undid it? |
| 22:12.00 | astronut | abrotman: really? it's in my system |
| 22:12.04 | ribnitz | stazich: ${foo}bar==bar ? |
| 22:12.04 | cafuego | hetore: Probably different versions of the software, then. Did you check? |
| 22:12.08 | abrotman | astronut: i checked sid .. from packages.d.o |
| 22:12.18 | psywar | attention: I have installed gcc-3.3 and libc6-2.3.2 and they are incompatible |
| 22:12.21 | astronut | zcat /usr/share/doc/nmap/changelog.gz | grep SCO |
| 22:12.21 | astronut | o SCO Corporation of Lindon, Utah (formerly Caldera) has lately taken |
| 22:12.23 | astronut | ... |
| 22:12.28 | caphuso | astronut: STOP IT |
| 22:12.32 | cafuego | psywar: No, they're not. |
| 22:12.36 | astronut | caphuso: sorry |
| 22:12.38 | hetore | cafuego: well im using sarge |
| 22:12.42 | astronut | abrotman: that's sid for me... |
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| 22:12.46 | psywar | cafuego: I just did a fresh install and it's broken |
| 22:12.48 | calin | rah |
| 22:12.49 | stazich | i am not exactly sure that im getting ijside fdisk... it takes me to a prompt with list of options : p - show partitions, C- create linux partition, etc... i try c, then it asks for first block, i input 1, as in 1st awailable, then it asks for size i put 6 (g) for 6 gig, it gives me a message Bad Name afterwards instead of making the partition |
| 22:12.50 | calin | hallo |
| 22:12.58 | cafuego | hetore: Check the ndiswrapper version - and check the one on Knoppix. |
| 22:13.10 | cafuego | psywar: Works fine on all machines here. |
| 22:13.10 | hetore | cafuego: im using the most recent one |
| 22:13.14 | abrotman | astronut: hrm . ok .. just that it's not on the site at all .. i guess a download of the source from insecure.org would clarify |
| 22:13.19 | ribnitz | stazich: use cfdisk |
| 22:13.20 | psywar | cafuego: doesn't work here |
| 22:13.23 | pook | i'm trying to install the driver for my ipw2200 centrino |
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| 22:13.27 | calin | ergh |
| 22:13.30 | cafuego | psywar: You must have broken it, then. |
| 22:13.31 | astronut | abrotman: it was in both the changelog and the insecure.org source |
| 22:13.35 | astronut | err |
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| 22:13.41 | calin | anyone know a channel for help with video files? |
| 22:13.42 | cafuego | psywar: Did you file a bug? |
| 22:13.44 | astronut | both the sid changelog and the one from insecure.org |
| 22:13.47 | astronut | i filed a bug for it... |
| 22:13.49 | astronut | ::shrug:: |
| 22:13.52 | astronut | it's a fine point |
| 22:14.01 | psywar | cafuego: I'd like to, but not sure what package to do it on |
| 22:14.01 | astronut | esp. being in changelog not liscence file |
| 22:14.01 | tatoo | abrotman: could u email me ur source.list? |
| 22:14.02 | nirz | hello |
| 22:14.02 | nirz | how i can remove all gnome pkgs from my debian ? |
| 22:14.04 | pook | does anyone here have experience with getting wireless working on a centrino machine? |
| 22:14.05 | cafuego | hetore: Latest in sarge or latest from sourceforge or whereever it's hosted? |
| 22:14.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell nirz about remove gnome |
| 22:14.13 | psywar | cafuego: I haven't done anything to it, it's a fresh install |
| 22:14.15 | caphuso | nirz: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 22:14.17 | calin | apt-get remove *gnome* |
| 22:14.20 | calin | i think? |
| 22:14.21 | hetore | cafuego: latest from sf |
| 22:14.22 | calin | nono |
| 22:14.24 | calin | not * |
| 22:14.25 | cafuego | psywar: Are you getting any specific errors? |
| 22:14.26 | calin | uhmn |
| 22:14.27 | psywar | cafuego: the 3rd fresh install, and all of them broken in the same way |
| 22:14.29 | psywar | # make |
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| 22:14.29 | psywar | gcc -I/usr/src/linux-2.4/include -O6 -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -DEXPORT_SYMTAB -I/usr/src/linux/drivers/net -Wall -I. -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -I/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/wan -I /usr/src/linux/include -I/usr/src/linux/include/net -DSTANDALONE_ZAPATA -c zaptel.c |
| 22:14.33 | psywar | In file included from zaptel.c:42: |
| 22:14.36 | psywar | /usr/include/linux/kernel.h:72: error: parse error before "size_t" |
| 22:14.37 | pook | dpk |
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| 22:14.38 | *** kick/#debian [psywar!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu] by dondelelcaro (flood elsewhere) |
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| 22:14.44 | cafuego | psywar: Oh, I see. |
| 22:14.47 | pook | apt |
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| 22:14.53 | cafuego | psycose: 1) the kernel doesn't use libc6 *att all* |
| 22:14.54 | psywar | and so on for thousands of lines |
| 22:14.58 | ribnitz | psywar: please use flood |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | astronut: i think you misunderstand his revocation of thier right to use |
| 22:15.06 | cafuego | psycose: 2) Don't use gcc-3.3 on a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 22:15.14 | hawk16 | whats the command to extract a tar.bz2 ? |
| 22:15.15 | abrotman | tatoo: apt-setup |
| 22:15.15 | zno | when I install kernel headers, does it make a symlink to /usr/include? |
| 22:15.17 | cafuego | psycose: Compile it with gcc 2.95, you'll be amazed. |
| 22:15.21 | pook | what's the command to get answers through this channel? |
| 22:15.23 | astronut | abrotman: how so? |
| 22:15.23 | abrotman | tatoo: and use the think dpkg told oyu |
| 22:15.24 | caphuso | hawk16: /msg dpkg tar |
| 22:15.26 | hetore | hawk16: tar jxvf tar.bz2 |
| 22:15.31 | astronut | he revocked their right to distribute |
| 22:15.35 | pook | dmg |
| 22:15.46 | abrotman | astronut: apparently .. if you read section 4 of the GPL .. it allows for revocation |
| 22:15.47 | cafuego | s/psycose/psywar/ |
| 22:15.47 | ribnitz | hetore: the v is superfluous. :) |
| 22:15.51 | astronut | hmm |
| 22:15.57 | astronut | compare DFSG 1, 5 |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | astronut: http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap_changelog.html .. search for Lindon |
| 22:16.05 | psywar | cafuego: a) what's flood, b) how do I find the package name for gcc 2.95? |
| 22:16.09 | psycose | cafuego: i get stuck a moment then i undestand :-) |
| 22:16.15 | astronut | ya |
| 22:16.16 | abrotman | !flood |
| 22:16.17 | dpkg | Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. Any questions? If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:16.19 | tatoo | abrotman: ok |
| 22:16.19 | Dogers | hm, interestingly, makedev doesnt appear to work for me, but -v gives me what to feed into mknod, which does work.. o_O |
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| 22:16.23 | tarzeau | psywar: apt-cache search gcc |
| 22:16.25 | cafuego | psywar: dondelelcaro kicked you off for pasting into the channel. |
| 22:16.34 | cafuego | psywar: See what tarzeau said. |
| 22:16.47 | psywar | cafuego: sory, thought you were talking to me |
| 22:16.51 | astronut | i saw that, but that seems to conflict w/ the DFSG |
| 22:16.57 | psywar | psycose is pretty close to psywar :) |
| 22:16.59 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | Hi there, can I get help with Linux Debian here? |
| 22:17.04 | caphuso | astronut: no, it doesn't |
| 22:17.04 | cafuego | Now if you'll excuse me, I have a rambus "patent" to infringe. |
| 22:17.06 | pook | dpkg |
| 22:17.08 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 22:17.13 | dondelelcaro | astronut: violating the license which causes your rights to terminate isn't in conflict with the DFSG |
| 22:17.20 | psywar | oh you were, I see :) |
| 22:17.22 | astronut | ah |
| 22:17.22 | zenlunatic | will i break my system if i make install a package instead of use apt? |
| 22:17.25 | abrotman | astronut: well .. SCO denies the GPL is worthy .. how oculd they distribute GPL softare then .. i belive that's his interpretation .. thus revokied |
| 22:17.31 | astronut | ok |
| 22:17.42 | abrotman | and IANAL! |
| 22:17.42 | astronut | ::shrug:: |
| 22:17.46 | astronut | lol |
| 22:17.49 | abrotman | i can read! |
| 22:18.00 | psywar | is apt broken for installing an incompatible version of gcc on my system? should I file a bug report? |
| 22:18.01 | pook | I just tried installing ipw2200 driver for my centrino wireless, but for some reason my eth1 isn't working |
| 22:18.03 | dondelelcaro | astronut: if fyodr had revoked them out of the blue, that would be one thing. However, because he tied it to a section 4 violation, it's quite acceptable. |
| 22:18.05 | peterS | abrotman: no kidding? that's pretty cool |
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| 22:18.20 | psywar | I tried upgrading to a 2.6 kernel yesterday and it didn't help. |
| 22:18.23 | abrotman | peterS: i can use apostrophes too!! |
| 22:18.23 | astronut | dondelelcaro: ah, got ya |
| 22:18.27 | mirak | I have some question about the directoty strucutre of debian and linux in general |
| 22:18.36 | mirak | so I wanted to install a cvsd |
| 22:18.41 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | I have installed Devian and choosed to activate the Desktop/Graphical interface, but when I write X and press ENTER, the only thing that comes up is a mouse pointer that looks like an X and a gray background with a simple pattern.. Need help! |
| 22:18.41 | peterS | abrotman: oh yeah! I've been known to brag about that |
| 22:18.54 | abrotman | peterS: just wait til i can spell .. I'll be unstoppable! |
| 22:18.58 | dondelelcaro | astronut: again, that's assuming that there's really a cause for termination under section 4 of the GPL... I really can't say for certain mysefl. |
| 22:19.02 | dondelelcaro | s/sefl/self/ |
| 22:19.09 | mirak | now the config says he wants to insall the cvs root in /var/lib/cvsd |
| 22:19.11 | peterS | abrotman: being consistent between 'i' / 'I' will be a start (: |
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| 22:19.14 | zenlunatic | D3D\T2-SlurpeN: sounds like you need to install a window manager |
| 22:19.18 | abrotman | peterS: yeah yeah :) |
| 22:19.28 | astronut | dondelelcaro: hmm |
| 22:19.29 | astronut | ya... |
| 22:19.31 | cafuego | mirak: That's cvsd, which a chroot version of cvs. |
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| 22:19.38 | mirak | what in /var should not be considered as temporary ? |
| 22:19.42 | abrotman | don't we have some -legal people here who would know that ? |
| 22:19.46 | astronut | mirak: /var/www |
| 22:19.47 | caphuso | mirak: no |
| 22:19.48 | astronut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.48 | pook | ...guess nobody knows about wireless |
| 22:19.51 | paulswm | mirak: for directory structure in general, read the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard in the debian-policy package |
| 22:20.09 | cafuego | /var/lib, /var spool (changes, but is always there) |
| 22:20.12 | psywar | is apt broken for installing an incompatible version of gcc on my 2.4 system? should I file a bug report? |
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| 22:20.40 | paulswm | psywar: incompatible for what? |
| 22:20.40 | astronut | mirak: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.1 |
| 22:20.41 | cafuego | psywar: Did it fetch gcc-3.3 by default or did you *specify* gcc-3.3 |
| 22:20.41 | clausen | lots of my fonts weren't working in xfig |
| 22:20.47 | clausen | until I did dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 22:20.52 | mirak | I have read some, however I don't understand why /var contains as well log files things that would not be a problem if lost, but also things that would be more of a problem if lost, like cvs rep or www |
| 22:20.55 | psywar | cafuego: it did it by default! |
| 22:20.57 | clausen | which refreshed the font cache |
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| 22:21.06 | clausen | is this a bug in fontconfig? |
| 22:21.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: where am i going? |
| 22:21.13 | psywar | cafuego: the *only* command I ran was apt-get install cvs |
| 22:21.17 | cafuego | psywar: You sure your kernel source isn't broken? |
| 22:21.18 | paulswm | mirak: read it again. /var is stuff which can change |
| 22:21.22 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. you are |
| 22:21.24 | caphuso | mirak: /var contains *variable* stuff, not unimportant stuff |
| 22:21.24 | psywar | cafuego: what kernel source? |
| 22:21.32 | caphuso | mirak: www.pathname.org/fhs/ |
| 22:21.35 | psywar | I haven't installed anything, remember? |
| 22:21.42 | cafuego | psywar: Oh, the one you're trying to compile |
| 22:21.42 | psywar | just cvs |
| 22:21.55 | caphuso | or is it pathname.com? i forgot |
| 22:22.04 | psywar | I'm trying to compile zaptel, which is an LKM and some assorted userland utils |
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| 22:22.12 | paulswm | mirak: historically, /var is stuff split off from /usr so /usr could be mounted read only |
| 22:22.13 | cafuego | psywar: You pasted gcc output for a kernel module. |
| 22:22.18 | psywar | zaptel |
| 22:22.32 | cafuego | psywar: That's a 3rd party driver or something? |
| 22:22.37 | mirak | caphuso: but does /var is undispensable to boot ? |
| 22:22.44 | psywar | actually I suspect that particular file is part of the userland shit even though it -DMODULE |
| 22:22.51 | psywar | cafuego: yeah |
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| 22:22.58 | pook | lsmod tells me that ipw2200 is installed, but when i try to use my wireless it wont owrk |
| 22:22.59 | pook | work |
| 22:23.08 | cafuego | psywar: Then probably the module source is broken. Not libc6 or gcc. |
| 22:23.16 | Xinukid | cafuego: it wont accept my root password |
| 22:23.19 | Xinukid | hmm |
| 22:23.19 | psywar | cafuego: it's not |
| 22:23.23 | psywar | cafuego: abrotman compiled it |
| 22:23.26 | psywar | last night |
| 22:23.28 | paulswm | mirak: nothing is /var or /usr is essential to boot |
| 22:23.31 | abrotman | i think i did |
| 22:23.33 | paulswm | s/is/in/ |
| 22:23.36 | cafuego | psywar: Seeing as how it won't compile, I subject it rather is. |
| 22:23.37 | abrotman | i'm not sure what it's supposed to do |
| 22:23.39 | Covener | pook: ifconfig -a doesn't show it? when you inserted ipw2100 was anything logged? |
| 22:23.45 | nvz | Xinukid: what do you mean it wont accept your root password? |
| 22:23.57 | psywar | cafuego: see previous remark |
| 22:24.07 | psywar | it compiles fine on FC1 |
| 22:24.08 | cafuego | psywar: Does abrotman have libc6-dev installed? Do you? |
| 22:24.10 | mirak | paulswm: ok, I will put /var on my home partition then |
| 22:24.14 | abrotman | cafuego: i do |
| 22:24.26 | cafuego | psywar: FC1 is a broken distribution, not much of a benchmark. |
| 22:24.34 | Xinukid | application-specific initialization failed: authentication failed |
| 22:24.35 | psywar | yet it works better |
| 22:24.37 | psywar | in this case |
| 22:24.42 | paulswm | mirak: just make sure it's called /var, and that your fstab entry is correct |
| 22:24.47 | ribnitz | will grub accept a root-XFS or root JFS partition? |
| 22:24.49 | psywar | and yes, I have libc6-dev installed |
| 22:24.52 | Xinukid | and its a new install |
| 22:24.58 | Xinukid | in which i used apt |
| 22:25.00 | cafuego | psywar: Why don't you paste the *entire* gcc output to the paste bot? |
| 22:25.02 | abrotman | psywar: i thought you were doing the -I thing? |
| 22:25.02 | mirak | paulswm: I will do a symlink |
| 22:25.05 | Xinukid | and also dont recall settign a password |
| 22:25.12 | pook | covener: eth1 still isn't working |
| 22:25.17 | psywar | abrotman: I thought I had a corrupted install, I guess not |
| 22:25.20 | cafuego | Xinukid: Did you tell cyrus that root was your imap admin user? |
| 22:25.22 | psywar | cafuego: how do I do that? |
| 22:25.24 | psywar | which bot? |
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| 22:25.28 | cafuego | psywar: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:25.33 | Covener | pook: what do you mean still? What was the result of the stuff I just asked you about |
| 22:25.41 | paulswm | mirak: that is of course a kind of messy way of setting up a system, but, hey, it's your system :) |
| 22:25.43 | mirak | paulswm: also when reinstalling a system, is there sometings in /var that should not be reused as it or is it ok ? |
| 22:25.47 | abrotman | psywar: could be bad ram i suppose |
| 22:25.48 | kraig | i'm confused, i apt-get install'ed kernel-source-2.6.10 and then selected some modules, after switching to 2.6.10 when i tried a lsmod, it returned QM_MODULES: Function not implemented, any ideas? |
| 22:25.50 | Phated | Xinukid: Not running Ubuntu by any chance, are you? Out of curiousity. |
| 22:25.56 | tatoo | abrotman: say a prayer for me again? :) |
| 22:25.58 | caphuso | !qm_modules |
| 22:25.58 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 22:26.03 | abrotman | tatoo: what did you do now!? |
| 22:26.05 | pook | sorry, i mean that eth1 is blank, as if it weren't configured or working |
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| 22:26.08 | abrotman | !bless tatoo |
| 22:26.09 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child tatoo, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 22:26.13 | tatoo | abrotman: upgraded the kernel. |
| 22:26.20 | abrotman | tatoo: oh .. i will be gone soon :) |
| 22:26.27 | MattF | hello, I have some disks that I want to format, how do I do this? |
| 22:26.47 | abrotman | electro-magnet!! |
| 22:26.47 | Xinukid | Phated: nad Cyrus |
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| 22:26.51 | mirak | paulswm: well my goal is to have the possibility to do format of system partition without losing much data and without spliting in many partitions to avoid losing space |
| 22:26.52 | MattF | :/ |
| 22:26.52 | Covener | pook: so it doesn't even display a MAC address? |
| 22:26.53 | Phated | Xinukid: So Ubuntu. |
| 22:26.59 | abrotman | ubuntu is not debian |
| 22:27.02 | nvz | yeah I think I am gonna swap these pcs.. put this damn dell in here, I cant stand to be using a dell for my workstation anylonger. Be back later. |
| 22:27.03 | abrotman | nor is debian ubuntu |
| 22:27.06 | psywar | abrotman: I ran memtest86 on it for a full test cycle |
| 22:27.06 | Phated | abrotman: Quite. |
| 22:27.12 | kraig | reboot -n |
| 22:27.12 | tatoo | abrotman: me too...but only when this pc works as i want! almost finished... |
| 22:27.13 | Xinukid | nah woody |
| 22:27.15 | paulswm | mirak: you might want to research LVM |
| 22:27.16 | abrotman | psywar: ermm .. ok |
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| 22:27.18 | kraig | sorry, wrong keyboard |
| 22:27.20 | tatoo | anywa....i hope i can see u again. |
| 22:27.21 | Xinukid | what ubuntu? |
| 22:27.25 | Xinukid | whas that |
| 22:27.27 | abrotman | tatoo: oh .. well . i'm still going home soon :) |
| 22:27.33 | paulswm | mirak: LVM = Logical Volume Manager/Management |
| 22:27.35 | mirak | paulswm: unfortunely there is no windows drivers |
| 22:27.36 | abrotman | tatoo: i'm usually on after i get home |
| 22:27.50 | pook | covener, well, it has a mac.. |
| 22:27.55 | mirak | paulswm: I would use it otherwise, but I still want to be able to read ext3 from windows |
| 22:28.07 | Xinukid | cafuego: u got that? |
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| 22:28.16 | Phated | Does Windows even do ext3? |
| 22:28.16 | Covener | pook: Did you set this interface up in /etc/network/interfaces? Did you bring it up manually w/ an IP address? Or point a dhcp client at it? |
| 22:28.17 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:28.17 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:28.21 | paster | "psywar" at 67.9.120.76 pasted "output when trying to compile zaptel" (351 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/212 |
| 22:28.21 | tatoo | abrotman: thanks you man....just in case we won't see each other again in couple of minutes... ;) |
| 22:28.23 | kraig | :P |
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| 22:28.26 | mirak | paulswm: until I got a dedicated linux box |
| 22:28.32 | abrotman | tatoo: well . i'll be back later if you need more help |
| 22:28.34 | paulswm | mirak: My way is to create a fat32 partition to share with WIndows and keep everything else separate |
| 22:28.36 | cafuego | Xinukid: Got what? |
| 22:28.38 | psywar | cafuego: http://channels.debian.net/paste/212 |
| 22:28.48 | psywar | thanks in advance for any help |
| 22:28.55 | psywar | but I think you will agree, something is very very wrong |
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| 22:29.04 | pook | I think..let me check |
| 22:29.05 | ribnitz | how do I set dma mode on SATA drives? |
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| 22:29.10 | psywar | anyone: how do I uninstall gcc-3.33? |
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| 22:29.31 | ribnitz | psywar: apt-get remove it? |
| 22:29.34 | psywar | aha |
| 22:29.35 | psywar | ty |
| 22:29.36 | Xinukid | cafuego: it wont accept my root password and shows application-specific initialization failed: authentication failed |
| 22:29.36 | Xinukid | % |
| 22:29.40 | Xinukid | hrm |
| 22:29.41 | caphuso | psywar: yes, that module is trying to include /usr/include/linux headers, which is plain wrong and fucked up |
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| 22:29.56 | azeem | hi everbody |
| 22:29.57 | abrotman | psywar: i'd hack the makefile if i were you |
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| 22:30.19 | MattF | yeah, so how do I format disks in debian? |
| 22:30.19 | caphuso | psywar: probably because you forgot to install the kernel headers for your kernel, or didn't tell it where to find them |
| 22:30.20 | kraig | cformat... |
| 22:30.20 | caphuso | MattF: what disks? |
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| 22:30.25 | MattF | hard disks |
| 22:30.32 | pook | covener: nothing was there.. should I add this... |
| 22:30.33 | Covener | MattF: mkfs.XXXXXX (hit tab for choices |
| 22:30.38 | caphuso | MattF: you don't format hard disks anymore |
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| 22:30.40 | pook | auto eth1 |
| 22:30.49 | pook | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 22:30.50 | caphuso | MattF: we're no longer in 1995 |
| 22:30.52 | MattF | what do I do then? |
| 22:31.02 | caphuso | MattF: no idea. what's the ultimate goal you want to reach? |
| 22:31.12 | citral | you create a filesystem? |
| 22:31.23 | MattF | I have 2 NTFS formatted IDE disks |
| 22:31.25 | zenlunatic | Whats the proper way to shutdown X? |
| 22:31.25 | Covener | pook: That's probably what you want |
| 22:31.26 | cafuego | Xinukid: So you didn't set up saslauthd |
| 22:31.31 | MattF | and i want to change them to FAT32 |
| 22:31.32 | caphuso | MattF: no such thing as "NTFS formatted" |
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| 22:31.38 | pook | k |
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| 22:31.45 | MattF | caphuso: your not helping, you know what I mean |
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| 22:31.53 | cafuego | psywar: dpkg-deb: building package `zaptel-modules-2.4.20' in `../zaptel-modules-2.4.20_1.0.0-2_i386.deb' - build just went fine here. |
| 22:32.05 | caphuso | MattF: finally... use mkfs.vfat |
| 22:32.13 | basse-s | er der nogle der snakker dansk |
| 22:32.18 | cafuego | psywar: How are you compiling this thing? |
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| 22:32.33 | MattF | thankyou. |
| 22:32.44 | paulswm | !dk |
| 22:32.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dk is Denmark and #debian.dk too |
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| 22:32.49 | pook | what does "eth1: unknown hardware address type 24" mean? |
| 22:32.51 | spatulasnout | hi, is there a way to see a list of packages installed by apt-get? hopefully in order by date of install? |
| 22:33.00 | psywar | cafuego: "make" |
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| 22:33.05 | cafuego | spatulasnout: Yes and no. |
| 22:33.07 | basse-s | can anyone help me with this fail #/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
| 22:33.09 | caphuso | spatulasnout: ls -lartu /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 22:33.22 | Delph | basse-s: you probably removed the user in the GRANT table for mysql. |
| 22:33.23 | Covener | pook: probably safely ignored, do you need further setup to associate to you AP? |
| 22:33.37 | spatulasnout | caphuso: kick-ass, thanks =D |
| 22:33.56 | psywar | cafuego: I didn't understand what you were saying about it - you installed a .deb of zaptel with source and compiled it? |
| 22:33.56 | cafuego | psywar: 'apt-get install zaptel-source' cd to your kenrle source tree. Type 'fakeroot make-kpkg modules-image'. be amazed at the .deb with driver it creates for you. |
| 22:34.08 | paulswm | abrotman: bye if you are leaving |
| 22:34.08 | azeem | mentor: 15:21 < azeem> mentor: floppies aren't really supported anymore, other than to stick in a USB pendrive, no? |
| 22:34.17 | MattF | mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large filesystem. |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | paulswm: i am .. time to get on the parking lot :) |
| 22:34.19 | pook | my ap has dhcp...i dont think i'd need to configure it |
| 22:34.19 | MattF | wtf. |
| 22:34.24 | azeem | mentor: I managed to install sarge purely via floppies and network yesterday |
| 22:34.28 | Covener | MattF: -F32 (or read the manual) |
| 22:34.40 | azeem | pretty slick, when you finally find three good floppy disks |
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| 22:34.55 | pook | covernerplus my roommates' windows machines are connecting to it just fine |
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| 22:35.17 | pook | coverner: plus my roommates' windows machines are connecting to it just fine |
| 22:35.22 | Covener | pook: Maybe they're configured to connect to it, is my point. This is something that would make dhcp fail. iwconfig will show you if you're even associated |
| 22:35.34 | nono31 | what is the difference difference between xfs and ext3 ? |
| 22:35.44 | azeem | nono31: they are totally different |
| 22:35.56 | azeem | nono31: but both are journalling file systems |
| 22:36.03 | citral | nono31: the clothes |
| 22:36.15 | caphuso | ext3 is longer than xfs |
| 22:36.30 | azeem | citral: ? |
| 22:36.33 | pook | coverner: yah. it says there are no wireless extensions |
| 22:36.38 | cafuego | nono31: An 'te3' and 'fs' |
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| 22:36.51 | pook | i wonder if it has more to do with my driver |
| 22:36.52 | Covener | pook: for the interface that you think is the wireless? |
| 22:37.00 | hetore | cafuego: Using the *newest* ndiswrapper got it to work =) |
| 22:37.05 | hetore | BitchX-1.0c20cvs+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 22:37.06 | pook | the wireless IS eth1 |
| 22:37.06 | cafuego | nono31: ext3 is a native linux fs, xfs is a port from irix to linux. |
| 22:37.06 | nono31 | So xfs is faster than ext3 ... so why should I use ext3 ? what ext3 brings me ? |
| 22:37.11 | citral | ext3 wears old smokings, xfs prefers hawaii shirts |
| 22:37.12 | Covener | pook: when you insert the driver, you should see some type of message logged |
| 22:37.15 | caphuso | nono31: it's safer |
| 22:37.22 | cafuego | nono31: Stability. ext3 is *stable* |
| 22:37.23 | caphuso | and not necessarily slower anyways |
| 22:37.33 | fooz | xfs is unstable? |
| 22:37.36 | Delph | nono31: and its compiled in on more kernels. |
| 22:37.45 | cafuego | fooz: Last time I tried it, it appeared to be unstable, yes. |
| 22:37.51 | azeem | nono31: basically, if you do not know what the difference is, just use ext3 |
| 22:37.56 | Delph | fooz: xfs has munched one of my directories before. |
| 22:37.56 | fooz | it appeared to be unstable, or was unstable? |
| 22:37.59 | hetore | now how do i download and install kde? |
| 22:38.01 | citral | plus, ext3 is compatible with ext2 |
| 22:38.04 | pook | coverner: well I "make install" 'd it and when i lsmod it's there |
| 22:38.07 | nono31 | I'll stay with my old ext3 !! :-) |
| 22:38.16 | cafuego | fooz: I didn't find out, as it DELETED everything (including the kernel log) |
| 22:38.16 | nono31 | hetore: apt-get -u install kde |
| 22:38.33 | caphuso | the ext2 compatibility of ext3 isn't all that exciting... when you really need it, it's not going to work |
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| 22:38.49 | fooz | Delph, I've had that happen once with every FS |
| 22:38.54 | elnovato | whats is better kde o rgnome? |
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| 22:38.56 | hetore | nono31: it says its not available |
| 22:39.00 | caphuso | elnovato: both suck |
| 22:39.00 | cafuego | elnovato: yes |
| 22:39.07 | elnovato | truth |
| 22:39.08 | kbrooks_ | Hi. I have a idea that will be the answer to the problems associated with ruby packaging. |
| 22:39.09 | citral | elnovato: they both suck, but gnome sucks less |
| 22:39.10 | Delph | fooz: i run more ext3 partitions than xfs partitions. One error with xfs, none with ext3. |
| 22:39.15 | Covener | pook: I've asked you a number of times to check the logs (/var/log/messages, dmesg etc) to see what happened when you inserted the module. When it is loaded it will probably print some info about the hardware it does or does not find |
| 22:39.18 | cafuego | elnovato: better for you? how should we know? |
| 22:39.26 | zenlunatic | elnovato: Which one do you like? |
| 22:39.27 | fooz | Delph, it'll happen eventually |
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| 22:39.28 | Delph | citral: no; gnome sucks, but looks *good* while its sucking =:) |
| 22:39.37 | Delph | fooz: excluding hardware errors here. |
| 22:39.38 | nono31 | elnovato: it is said that KDE is more window$ users friendly... |
| 22:39.38 | kbrooks_ | anyone want to hear my idea |
| 22:39.39 | thomas_adam | kbrooks_: Really? Then join me in #debian-ruby, and we'll chat. |
| 22:39.43 | kbrooks_ | ok |
| 22:39.44 | azeem | hetore: are you running sarge? |
| 22:39.47 | citral | kde looks better but sucks harder |
| 22:39.55 | Delph | *it's |
| 22:39.56 | pook | coverner: ooh, you mean I can go back and look at logs?...i didn't know that....let me look |
| 22:39.58 | hetore | azeem: yes |
| 22:39.58 | cafuego | citral: That is very subjective. |
| 22:40.02 | fooz | i'm not saying to use XFS or that I use XFS |
| 22:40.04 | cafuego | citral: I think KDE is butt-ugly. |
| 22:40.09 | elnovato | cafuego: i feel kde was made by interior design kids |
| 22:40.20 | slackd00d | and i think kde is great |
| 22:40.24 | azeem | yay, a GNOME vs. KDE debate |
| 22:40.25 | citral | cafuego: yes, it is. The only truth is in fluxbox. |
| 22:40.28 | cafuego | elnovato: Gnome is generally a bit faster then KDE. |
| 22:40.28 | fooz | I'm just saying that if you think some linux FS is perfect, you haven't used it very long or very hard yet :) |
| 22:40.29 | citral | :P |
| 22:40.31 | Phated | Openbox. |
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| 22:40.39 | psywar | eh, stupid question but why when I installed gcc-2.95 did it not create a link to cc or gcc? |
| 22:40.42 | cafuego | 9wm, you bitches! |
| 22:40.42 | slackd00d | ya, wm wars sure arnt pointless |
| 22:40.57 | nono31 | citral: yeap!! fluxbox powered !! ;-) |
| 22:40.58 | psywar | now I have no gcc/cc command, should I just create a symlink to gcc-2.95? |
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| 22:41.08 | cafuego | psywar: No. But the zaptec-source package compiles fine with gcc-3.3 |
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| 22:41.10 | fooz | psywar, 2.95 is pretty old. why do you need it? |
| 22:41.10 | caphuso | QT is least sane enough to not totally ignore windows properties |
| 22:41.10 | azeem | psywar: the link is controlled by the `gcc' package |
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| 22:41.17 | citral | AH! two voices for fluxbox we win! |
| 22:41.24 | azeem | psywar: so you can install multiple versions of gcc in parallel |
| 22:41.34 | Delph | openbox then (just to keep the argument going) |
| 22:41.42 | psywar | fooz, azeem, cafuego told me earlier I shouldn't use gcc-3.33 on a 2.4 kernel |
| 22:41.43 | citral | shit |
| 22:41.50 | bucky | psywar, use update-alternatives to set it |
| 22:41.52 | pook | coverner: okay it says that localhost kernel: ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:09.0 failed with error -5 |
| 22:41.54 | azeem | psywar: eh? |
| 22:41.54 | cafuego | caphuso: What, like Object.bloat and Object.ugly? |
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| 22:42.06 | Phated | Delph: Whee! :) |
| 22:42.06 | azeem | psywar: just export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 prior to build stuff (if you really want to use 2.95) |
| 22:42.08 | Covener | pook: you sure you have the right module for your hardware? |
| 22:42.11 | caphuso | cafuego: no, like class, role and instance |
| 22:42.14 | usuario | I try to run gui app in root but I get here, what could be the problem? I think there is some kind of issue of debian? ethereal Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified (ethereal:5329): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 22:42.20 | psywar | now I'm getting conflicting messages |
| 22:42.31 | psywar | is it okay to use gcc-3.33 on a 2.4 kernel or not? |
| 22:42.33 | pook | coverner: I am 102% sure |
| 22:42.35 | psywar | that's what debian installed |
| 22:42.38 | cafuego | caphuso: Did you mean 'window properties' ? |
| 22:42.39 | fooz | psywar, recent gcc 3.x and recent kernel 2.4 work fine together |
| 22:42.48 | caphuso | cafuego: windows. several of them |
| 22:43.01 | pook | my device is the intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG network device |
| 22:43.01 | citral | psywar: if debian installed it, that must be ok :) |
| 22:43.03 | fooz | psywar, if you got some ancient 2.4 kernel or some ancient gcc 3.x, it wouldn't work |
| 22:43.04 | Covener | usuario: probably want to look at xauth to allow you to use that display of another user |
| 22:43.04 | new2exim | hi everyone, im trying to setup exim mta, so that it accepts email to the domains that i host (many on the same box)... but i cant find any information on how to do it for my setup. right now, if i try to send email to one of the domains it says relay not allowed. any help? thanks greatly!!! |
| 22:43.05 | cafuego | caphuso: Windows' properties then |
| 22:43.07 | caphuso | granted, forgot a ' |
| 22:43.19 | usuario | Covener: thanks |
| 22:43.22 | psywar | ok I guess I'll reinstall it |
| 22:43.33 | pook | if you go to ipw2200.sourceforge.net you'll be able to find the driver for my device |
| 22:43.33 | cafuego | psywar: All you need is to compile that module. 3.3 will be fine for that. |
| 22:43.48 | fooz | psywar, but you have to compile the whole kernel with the same compiler, so make sure to make clean |
| 22:44.00 | caphuso | new2exim: install one of the -doc packages |
| 22:44.02 | fooz | cafuego, compiling modules with a different compiler than the kernel is a very bad idea |
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| 22:44.11 | cafuego | usuario: Run ethereal with 'sudo' and not 'su'. See also 'sux'. |
| 22:44.11 | Covener | pook: are there any docs that talk about prerequisites for the module? |
| 22:44.13 | fooz | unless you like kernel panics |
| 22:44.15 | caphuso | new2exim: (preferably one that matches the version of exim you are using) |
| 22:44.18 | psycose | i had the line KERNEL="dsp",NAME="dsp",MODE="0660", GROUP="audio" in /etc/udev/udev.rules but it's steel create as "crw------- 1 root root " any tips ? using kernel 2.6.10, udev 0.050-5 thanks |
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| 22:44.46 | usuario | cafuegeo thank you |
| 22:44.58 | cafuego | fooz: I'm aware of that. Since 3.3 appears to be the default, it should be right. I imagine prebaked kernels are compiled with the *default* compiler. |
| 22:45.03 | psywar | cafuego: just for giggles I tried a "make" in /usr/src/modules/zaptel and it gave the same error |
| 22:45.04 | citral | this good ol' cafuegeogeo |
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| 22:45.15 | pook | coverner: i'm not sure....hey, thanks for your help..I have to head out somewhere so i'll come back later... |
| 22:45.19 | cafuego | psywar: That's not what I said you should run though, is it? |
| 22:45.19 | psywar | untarring kernel source now |
| 22:45.21 | rellik | is there some way to do 'hosts'-like associations for domain-name/alias instead of IP/alias? my school uses DHCP and typing "ssh r01ptsmf8.desktop.umr.edu" every time I wanna ssh is a pain |
| 22:45.38 | psywar | cafuego: nope, still working on the kernel source stuff |
| 22:45.44 | psywar | takes a day to build a kernel on this machine |
| 22:45.49 | new2exim | ive googled loads, but this stuff seems to be a lil over my head |
| 22:45.51 | cafuego | psywar: No, sources/headers for your *current* kernel. Did you install a precompiled debian one? |
| 22:46.27 | cafuego | rellik: See dyndns.org |
| 22:46.47 | Covener | rellik: there might be a simple way to do that inside dnsmasq -- because it has such a lightweight dns server wrapped inside of it. maybe you can make it provide a cname? |
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| 22:47.19 | rellik | cafuego, no that's not what I'm looking for... |
| 22:47.37 | rellik | Covener, cool thanks I'll check that out |
| 22:47.51 | psywar | cafuego: I told you, I installed sarge, then installed cvs, then tried this zaptel thing. I got kernel-source-2.4.27, which should match the one debian installed, based on uname -r |
| 22:48.08 | psywar | I haven't installed anything else |
| 22:48.11 | Xinukid | cafuego: where can i get saslauthd |
| 22:48.12 | Xinukid | ? |
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| 22:48.36 | cafuego | psywar: yes. So you go to the kernel-source-2.4.27 directory and type 'fakeroot make-kpkg modules-image' |
| 22:48.45 | psywar | k ty |
| 22:48.51 | cafuego | Xinukid: Comes with sasl, which cyrus depends on. |
| 22:49.07 | Xinukid | well |
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| 22:49.44 | Xinukid | i have insatalled cyrus-pop3d, cyrus-imapd, cyrus-common, libsasl7 - Authentication abstraction library. |
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| 22:50.09 | cafuego | !find saslauthd woody |
| 22:50.10 | Xinukid | and also sasl-bin - Programs for manipulating the SASL users database |
| 22:50.33 | psywar | cafuego: fakeroot: command not found |
| 22:50.36 | astronut | Out of curiosity as to how stable debian boxes are, what are your current uptimes? My server (always on) is at 110 days...what doy ou guys have? |
| 22:50.37 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'saslauthd' returned no results. |
| 22:50.55 | Xinukid | and also i have install libsasl-modules-plain - Basic Pluggable Authentication Modules for SASL |
| 22:50.55 | astronut | Xinukid: hey, you doing cyrus? |
| 22:50.58 | astronut | i worked with that |
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| 22:51.01 | Xinukid | yes |
| 22:51.01 | astronut | Xinukid: PM me |
| 22:51.03 | astronut | i think i know what you need |
| 22:51.03 | Xinukid | ok |
| 22:51.18 | psywar | do I need to get build-essentials or kernel headers or something first? |
| 22:51.30 | cafuego | psywar: build-essentials |
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| 22:52.08 | azeem | psywar: build-essential |
| 22:52.25 | psywar | haha, you answered my q before I asked it |
| 22:53.18 | digital__ | gn |
| 22:53.23 | hetore | now how do i get kde installed if it wasnt on the sarge cd? |
| 22:53.27 | citral | yd |
| 22:53.31 | hetore | I need an xserver too |
| 22:53.40 | psywar | um, still fakeroot: command not found |
| 22:53.52 | azeem | psywar: fakeroot is not build-essential |
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| 22:53.59 | azeem | install it seperately |
| 22:54.11 | citral | hetore: apt-setup, pick up a mirror, apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 22:54.26 | speedplane | I'm currently downloading the debian DVD iso using jigdo, does anyone know how long it takes with cable/dsl 500kpbs |
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| 22:54.39 | cafuego | psywar: Install fakeroot (or just run it as root) |
| 22:54.46 | citral | speedplane: flash: you don't need it |
| 22:54.47 | Delph | speedplane: you sure you dont want to do a network install? |
| 22:54.54 | hetore | apt-setup, apt-get install x-window-system kde... thanks citral |
| 22:54.59 | psywar | make-kpkg not found |
| 22:55.07 | cafuego | psywar: install kernel-package |
| 22:55.10 | Xinukid | cafuego: any ideas for this |
| 22:55.10 | Xinukid | ? |
| 22:55.12 | speedplane | yeah... I wanna set up a bunch of boxes |
| 22:55.36 | astronut | Uptime poll: current uptime on your (debian) boxes |
| 22:55.37 | astronut | ? |
| 22:55.44 | Delph | astronut: 110 days. |
| 22:55.55 | Delph | oh wait, that was last week. |
| 22:56.07 | astronut | Delph: that's what i'm at right now |
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| 22:56.12 | fooz | 9 hours 23 minutes |
| 22:56.13 | astronut | 110 days, 1:35 |
| 22:56.16 | astronut | for server |
| 22:56.19 | astronut | and 4 days for this box |
| 22:56.23 | psywar | ok it appears to be working now |
| 22:56.26 | fooz | cause I was setting up selinux |
| 22:56.29 | xtreme | what access do a user need to create/connect to the X11 server remotely ? |
| 22:56.29 | astronut | !kernel |
| 22:56.45 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | How do I make icewm my default wm? |
| 22:56.54 | directhex | xtreme, x forwarding enabled on the taget server, ssh -X foo on the client |
| 22:56.59 | astronut | D3D\T2-SlurpeN: what login program do you use? |
| 22:57.01 | psywar | err, now it's asking me questions about kernel parameters, what should I answer? |
| 22:57.02 | azeem | D3D\T2-SlurpeN: read up on update-alternatives |
| 22:57.13 | psywar | Machine Check Exception (CONFIG_X86_MCE) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 22:57.16 | directhex | D3D\T2-SlurpeN, update-alternatives x-window-manager |
| 22:57.27 | cafuego | psywar: '?' then 'N' or 'Y'. |
| 22:57.33 | mirak | I don't understand what cvs says during install. it says the repository should be relative to /var/lib/cvsd |
| 22:57.37 | psycose | well i just post my little question once more, sorry for the disagrement |
| 22:57.41 | psycose | i had the line KERNEL="dsp",NAME="dsp",MODE="0660", GROUP="audio" in /etc/udev/udev.rules but it's steel create as "crw------- 1 root root " any tips ? using kernel 2.6.10, udev 0.050-5 thanks |
| 22:57.51 | mirak | however there is no repository in cvsd |
| 22:57.56 | psywar | do I have to go through many of these? do I need to copy my config from /boot here if I want to avoid them? |
| 22:58.01 | xtreme | i've enabled X forwarding and putty connects successfully with forwarding enabled.. i'm able to run gnome-terminal, but when I run startx I get "user not authorized to run the X server" |
| 22:58.02 | cafuego | mirak: yes. So /tmp would be /var/lib/cvsd/tmp |
| 22:58.13 | citral | psycose: short: don't use udev. long: man udev + google |
| 22:58.26 | azeem | mirak: you can specify a directory where you plan to put *your* repositories |
| 22:58.32 | psywar | I know how to do "make oldconfig" but now sure how to use the old config when runnnig the command you gave me |
| 22:58.35 | citral | fooz: no, you don't |
| 22:58.35 | mirak | cafuego: in /var/lib/cvsd I have ./bin/ ./usr/ ./lib/ |
| 22:58.38 | azeem | mirak: usually, you can just ignore that, IMHO |
| 22:58.49 | fooz | citral, yes, I do |
| 22:58.55 | citral | fooz: no, you don't |
| 22:58.56 | mirak | that's really not clear |
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| 22:59.03 | fooz | ... |
| 22:59.03 | cafuego | mirak: Just enter /var/lib/cvsd/cvsroot or something |
| 22:59.23 | psycose | citral : nice one thank you ;-) a bot could do this nicely ;-) |
| 22:59.23 | mirak | cafuego: it defaults to /car/lib/cvs/cvsroot |
| 22:59.32 | mirak | I mean it doesn't even prompt |
| 22:59.47 | psywar | do I have to go through many of these? do I need to copy my config from /boot here if I want to avoid them? |
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| 23:00.13 | cafuego | mirak: Oh, so it probably dumps *that* under /var/lib/cvsd/var/lib/cvs/cvsroot |
| 23:00.16 | psywar | I just want it to make something compatible with the extant kernel, don't I? |
| 23:00.17 | cafuego | lemme check |
| 23:00.46 | mirak | ah |
| 23:00.55 | cafuego | Mine's in /var/lib/cvsd/cvs |
| 23:01.04 | cafuego | Much of a muchness. |
| 23:01.08 | azeem | psywar: cp /boot/foo-config .config; make oldconfig is usally a good idea, yes |
| 23:01.15 | azeem | psywar: well, hmm |
| 23:01.16 | mirak | cafuego: nope |
| 23:01.16 | citral | psycose: you wanted an answer... the thing is udev is beta unfinished shit, and nobody that like stable, improved shit use it. So you're, like, on your own. |
| 23:01.27 | azeem | psywar: or just menuconfig, if you want to change things a little bit |
| 23:01.29 | cafuego | psywar: azeem make-kpkg runs the 'oldconfig' for you. |
| 23:01.42 | kristoffe | when i compiled my new kernel it didnt include a initrd.img-2.6.8 file |
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| 23:01.53 | cafuego | kristoffe: Did you tell it to? |
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| 23:01.59 | psywar | cafuego: uh, what? |
| 23:02.05 | mirak | pffff |
| 23:02.09 | cafuego | kristoffe: Or were you expecting it to guess you wanted an initrd? |
| 23:02.10 | mirak | that's irritating |
| 23:02.12 | psywar | it's asking me hundreds of questions |
| 23:02.16 | cafuego | psywar: ctrl-c |
| 23:02.20 | kristoffe | i followed a guide, and i thought everything was ok, but now hmm, i read that i need to inlude that line in debian to make it boot |
| 23:02.40 | mirak | cafuego: mine is /var/lib/cvs |
| 23:02.41 | cafuego | psywar: copy /boot/config-blah to '.config' in the kernel source tree. |
| 23:02.48 | mirak | I didn't choosed it though |
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| 23:02.57 | psywar | ok, did that, thanks |
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| 23:02.59 | cafuego | kristoffe: Did you hardcode support for your ide controller and root filesystem? |
| 23:03.11 | directhex | D3D\T2-SlurpeN, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 23:03.12 | mirak | Devadip: hello |
| 23:03.15 | rick__ | hi... how do i enable php for apache2 .. via apt ? |
| 23:03.24 | kristoffe | dont know what you mean with "hardcode", so i guess no |
| 23:03.26 | cafuego | rick__: install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 23:03.39 | cafuego | kristoffe: Did you say 'M' or 'Y' for their support? |
| 23:03.42 | psywar | You know what's weird? I've done like 100 kernel compiles under NetBSD and it has very little value when trying to do it under Linux. |
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| 23:04.00 | fooz | that's cause netbsd is easier/less flexible |
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| 23:04.16 | astronut | holy crap |
| 23:04.16 | peterS | psywar: the options are all different, I understand. and netbsd just has you edit a text file for the config, right? |
| 23:04.17 | psywar | Well, they're certainly different, I'll grant you that much. |
| 23:04.17 | citral | why is it "weird"? |
| 23:04.22 | rick__ | cafuego : ok.. need to do any other config ? |
| 23:04.23 | psywar | peterS: yep |
| 23:04.26 | usual | is there a package for dbus-sharp in sid? |
| 23:04.39 | astronut | i had submitted a bug report before you guys had clarified the point, after the discussion had temporarily died down |
| 23:04.40 | kristoffe | i dont remember, i used good time on it, but it dosnt tell me that i have to do there here http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 23:04.43 | cafuego | rick__: Not if you installed only debian packages. |
| 23:04.44 | kristoffe | i followed that guide |
| 23:04.44 | astronut | and fyoder himself responded to it |
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| 23:04.52 | rick__ | cafuego : ok |
| 23:04.54 | kristoffe | and now i end up with no inird file |
| 23:05.11 | psywar | I'm learning a lot from you guys though, thanks. |
| 23:05.29 | fooz | psywar, we expect your tuition payment shortly |
| 23:05.32 | fooz | psywar, j/k |
| 23:05.40 | cafuego | psywar: the netbsd kernel is a lot simpler then the linux one and probably supports far less hardware. |
| 23:05.45 | psycose | citral thanks you. Thanks to helpfull people using irc chan like #debian... i'm happy it's not always like this, see u |
| 23:05.50 | psywar | I'm trying to get familiar with as many OSes as I can. Got fbsd, nbsd, obsd, FC3, deb, and one XP box |
| 23:05.50 | fooz | cafuego, i wouldn't say that.. |
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| 23:06.05 | psywar | the BSDs don't have as good hardware support, that's true |
| 23:06.07 | cafuego | fooz: I would, though (And did) |
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| 23:06.19 | citral | psycose: you mean "you" perhaps |
| 23:06.34 | cafuego | kristoffe: Yeah. The command they give you doesn't produce an inittrd. |
| 23:07.00 | cafuego | kristoffe: 'make-kpkg --revision=786:MyKernel2.4.20 --initrd kernel_image' would, though. |
| 23:07.07 | bucky | kristoffe, just make one now |
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| 23:07.26 | kristoffe | how can i make one now? like cafuego told me? |
| 23:07.32 | bucky | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-<version> version |
| 23:07.38 | bucky | in /boot |
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| 23:07.43 | citral | psycose: I just told you the truth, that using udev is not a good idea. If the truth annoys you, well, it's not my fault. |
| 23:08.05 | cafuego | bucky: What I said. |
| 23:08.21 | cafuego | kristoffe: What I said. takes a bit longer, but makes it managed by the package system. |
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| 23:08.49 | hetore | citral, my cdrom messed up while i was installing x-window-system, how do i uninstall it? |
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| 23:08.57 | bucky | kristoffe, you should use the debian reference at debian.org chapter 7 |
| 23:08.58 | mirak | cvs is doc is crap |
| 23:09.08 | hetore | dpkg -r x-window-system / |
| 23:09.11 | bucky | all these howtos suck |
| 23:09.26 | psywar | cafuego: assuming this fakeroot command finishes, are tehre any other commands I'll need to run? |
| 23:09.26 | citral | hetore: you are installing from a cdrom? why not from the net? |
| 23:09.39 | hetore | citral: it told me to put the cdrom drive in! |
| 23:09.41 | kristoffe | ok, thank you, il try what you told me now, and i wi lread where you told me |
| 23:09.41 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | I have written |
| 23:09.41 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 23:09.41 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | and selected icewm |
| 23:09.41 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | but there is no difference when I start X |
| 23:09.41 | D3D\T2-SlurpeN | how it looks: http://slurpen.mine.nu/linux.jpg |
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| 23:10.10 | meneg | hi, do we have a /msg dpkg message for 2.6.10 and nvidia drivers in the "nvidia way" in unstable? |
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| 23:10.39 | zenlunatic | How dangerous is it to build and install my own custom .deb for certain build-time features I want? |
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| 23:10.46 | citral | hetore: you did apt-setup, and picked up a mirror right? |
| 23:10.59 | mirak | my cvs root is export CVSROOT=/var/lib/cvs/CVSROOT |
| 23:11.21 | mirak | cvs import -m "Projet SIM premiere" SIM groupesim debut I do that, and it says cvs [import aborted]: /var/lib/cvs/CVSROOT/CVSROOT: No such file or directory |
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| 23:11.24 | citral | !support german beer |
| 23:11.24 | dpkg | german beer is the BEST |
| 23:11.25 | psywar | don't put the CVSROOT at the end |
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| 23:11.38 | psywar | mirak I can help you with CVS |
| 23:11.57 | Gathond | zenlunatic: depends on what it is, a library would carry some risk that its dependencies break |
| 23:12.00 | mirak | psywar: if I don't put it it do that |
| 23:12.25 | psywar | export CVSROOT=/var/lib/cvs |
| 23:12.25 | mirak | /var/lib/cvs/SIM |
| 23:12.25 | psywar | it do what? |
| 23:12.25 | psycose | citral: your truth is just yours ... but tell: _User_ don't use _Problem_ or man _Problem_ + google, well just do not answer next time. |
| 23:12.25 | Fosten | if i want to use gcc-3.4 instead of gcc how do i link to correct version? |
| 23:12.25 | meneg | can I - and should I - patch the nvidia-source package for unstable for use with 2.6.10 or are they ok as it is? |
| 23:12.25 | mirak | psywar: it tries to write in /var/lib/cvs/SIM |
| 23:12.28 | xorAxAx | hiho. i am compiling some perl modules via CPAN on stale. and i keep getting "cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 9" |
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| 23:12.40 | psywar | mirak: is your project named SIM? if so, then that's where it's supposed to write it. |
| 23:12.49 | xorAxAx | i set CFLAGS to -O0 and it didnt help |
| 23:12.56 | psywar | CVSROOT is an administrative project, regular files don't go in there |
| 23:13.06 | mirak | psywar: yes, so why do I have a /var/lib/cvs/CVSROOT folder, is that normal ? |
| 23:13.11 | psywar | yes that's normal |
| 23:13.13 | mirak | ok |
| 23:13.17 | psywar | that's the CVSROOT project |
| 23:13.27 | mirak | ? what is it ? |
| 23:13.28 | psywar | you can check it out and modify it to change how cvs works |
| 23:13.28 | citral | psycose: without offense, you are wrong. most of the problems I ever had, if not all, were solved with google. |
| 23:13.30 | xtreme | hmm, I finally got to launch startx with putty, but the xwindow starts at the server instead of the client.. any ideas ? I set localhost:0 in putty |
| 23:13.31 | directhex | !tell D3D\T2-SlurpeN about msg |
| 23:13.32 | mirak | ok |
| 23:13.40 | rellik | I forgot the name of the sniffer I used to use back in the day.. it was gui, and it was really popular... anyone have any ideas what it might have been? |
| 23:13.48 | corallis | does anyone know of an asm ide that uses nasm syntax? |
| 23:13.53 | psywar | mostly you add your project names to "modules" in the CVSROOT project |
| 23:13.58 | xtreme | rellik, ettercap ? |
| 23:14.06 | psywar | you can say "if you check out a, then check out b and c too" |
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| 23:14.32 | psywar | the other files let you "catch" events like checkout/in or log stuff |
| 23:14.53 | psycose | citral: i ask on the irc after man and google failed .... but nevermind have a good time ... |
| 23:14.56 | rellik | xtreme, hmm.. don't think so.. I may have to fire up phlak to check it out |
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| 23:14.59 | mirak | psywar: import fails. |
| 23:15.00 | bazz | i have a binary that's looking for libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2... is there a lib i can link to that is the equivalent? |
| 23:15.01 | psywar | mirak: have you read the long CVS manual? by per Cederqvist? I highly recommend it. |
| 23:15.03 | mirak | I created a user though |
| 23:15.14 | mirak | psywar: I use various ressource |
| 23:15.16 | psywar | what import fails? |
| 23:15.33 | mirak | import of the project |
| 23:15.43 | psywar | in what way does it fail? |
| 23:15.54 | psywar | where were you when you did it? |
| 23:15.54 | citral | psycose: first hit on google gives, by the way, a good hint: /dev/dsp is only a SYMLINK |
| 23:15.55 | mirak | mm sorry Permission denied |
| 23:16.07 | psywar | do you have write permission to /var/lib/cvs? |
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| 23:16.10 | mirak | I do it from my account |
| 23:16.19 | mirak | I guess I need to authenticate |
| 23:16.21 | psywar | no |
| 23:16.26 | psywar | you need to answer my question |
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| 23:16.29 | caphuso | !vi 101 |
| 23:16.29 | dpkg | today the "z^" command: If line was specified, display a screen where the last line of the display shall contain an unspecified portion of the first line of a display that had an unspecified portion of the specified line on the last line of the display. |
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| 23:16.31 | mirak | psywar: no |
| 23:16.34 | citral | psycose: pointing to /dev/dsp0 for example |
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| 23:16.40 | psywar | then how do you expect to write stuff there? |
| 23:16.41 | mirak | psywar: I don't have permissions |
| 23:16.56 | mirak | psywar: by creating a user with cvspasswd |
| 23:17.02 | psywar | your cvsroot needs to be writable by anyone who will commit or import |
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| 23:17.12 | bazz | anyone? |
| 23:17.13 | psywar | mirak: are you running this locally? |
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| 23:17.23 | psywar | or is the CVS server remote? |
| 23:17.24 | citral | psycose: second hint: permissions of symlinks doesn't count |
| 23:17.28 | mirak | psywar: yes, but I plan to use it remote |
| 23:17.35 | psywar | well get it working locally first |
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| 23:17.36 | citral | s/doesn't/don't/ |
| 23:17.41 | mirak | I try locally at the begining |
| 23:17.47 | psywar | you don't need to create accounts or users if you are using it locally |
| 23:17.55 | mirak | I though cvs server was the intermediary |
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| 23:18.01 | psywar | you just need to have write access to the repository |
| 23:18.06 | ctrlaltdel | how do i install/enable mod_rewrite after a baes install of apache2 in debian? |
| 23:18.07 | mirak | I don't understand that |
| 23:18.16 | psywar | chmod a+rwx /var/lib/cvs |
| 23:18.22 | mirak | why would one have the right to delete the work of the others ? |
| 23:18.49 | psywar | because you need write access to write stuff there |
| 23:19.10 | psywar | chmod +t /var/lib/cvs if you really want to |
| 23:19.21 | mirak | I don't understand that |
| 23:19.26 | psycose | citral : thanks for all yours hint and the time given ... dsp0 do not exist, may be a correspondant device is in /dev/snd ... |
| 23:19.30 | caphuso | ctrlaltdel: a2enmod rewrite |
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| 23:19.59 | psywar | mirak: chmod +t is the way /tmp works |
| 23:20.06 | mirak | psywar: why isn't the writting done through the cvs server ? |
| 23:20.08 | psywar | anyone can create a file, but only that user can delete it |
| 23:20.08 | rellik | xtreme, it was ethereal :) |
| 23:20.18 | psywar | mirak: because you're debugging right now |
| 23:20.27 | psywar | don't jump right into using the server |
| 23:20.31 | ctrlaltdel | cool, thx caphuso, didnt even know about a2enmod |
| 23:20.36 | psywar | get it working localy first, then try remote |
| 23:20.52 | psywar | start with the simple case |
| 23:21.19 | psywar | unless you set CVSROOT=:pserver:/var/lib/cvs, you're not even using the server |
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| 23:21.37 | psycose | citral may be i should check if my kernel got the oss emulation driver . |
| 23:21.51 | mirak | psywar: ok thanks for the advice |
| 23:22.40 | citral | psycose: I read /dev/dsp could e pointing to /dev/snd/pcmc0d0p or something like that, but for me it's /dev/dsp0 cause I got oss emu. The module is snd-pcm-oss |
| 23:22.58 | paster | "psywar" at 67.9.120.76 pasted "zaptel still not working" (44 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/213 |
| 23:23.13 | psywar | cafuego: still broken. http://channels.debian.net/paste/213 |
| 23:23.27 | psywar | looks better though |
| 23:23.42 | psywar | just missing some commands like dh_testdir |
| 23:23.55 | citral | /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 23:23.56 | caphuso | psywar: install the debhelper package |
| 23:24.14 | zno | I'm having problems compiling sources of programs that rely on kernel headers, do I have mismatched packages in my system? http://pastebin.ca/4791 |
| 23:24.31 | psywar | I'm glad I have you guys around as I would never have figured this out |
| 23:24.44 | aokaze | If you mount 2 drives in the same mountspot like root / would it be like stripeing them or mirring them or what happens? |
| 23:24.55 | psywar | aokaze: the last one covers up the first |
| 23:25.31 | aokaze | what do you mean covers uo the first? |
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| 23:25.47 | psywar | you can't see any files or directories from the first filesystem |
| 23:25.48 | citral | psycose: ls -l /dev/dsp, what does it give? |
| 23:25.57 | directhex | aokaze, you only see the most recent mount. existng mounts are hidden |
| 23:26.33 | aokaze | so doing that doesnt increase space or anything then? |
| 23:26.43 | psywar | no it's totally pointless |
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| 23:26.50 | xam | aokaze: first a "mount /dev/hda /" and then a "mount /dev/hdb /" will make / only show the contents of /dev/hdb |
| 23:27.18 | xam | aokaze: yes, totally pointless indeed |
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| 23:27.31 | psywar | in some OSes you can stack layers on top of each other, dunno if Linux can do that |
| 23:27.43 | psywar | that's sometimes useful for mounting a writable layer over a CD-ROM or something like that |
| 23:27.50 | psycose | citral well, i find it |
| 23:27.56 | aokaze | so there is no way of increasing space other then raid stripeing for a mount spot |
| 23:28.06 | xam | aokaze: that is done with LVM |
| 23:28.13 | psywar | yeah, use LVM |
| 23:28.20 | aokaze | LVM? |
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| 23:28.31 | psycose | citral i have modprobe snd-pcm-oss and then restart udev and it create the node with the right permissions.... |
| 23:28.38 | xam | !lvm |
| 23:28.38 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 23:28.44 | psywar | or, divide your data into two different sets and put them on different drives |
| 23:28.50 | psywar | with differnet mount points |
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| 23:29.13 | citral | psycose: cool, put snd-pcm-oss in your /etc/modules then, to load it at boot time |
| 23:29.17 | psywar | if you bind two drives together as one, then you can (in some cases) double the rate of failure |
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| 23:29.28 | psywar | dunno how LVM recovers if one disk fails |
| 23:29.34 | aokaze | would it be /usr that usualy takes the most space if you have alot of programs? |
| 23:29.37 | psycose | citral are you with a 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 23:29.43 | psywar | aokaze: yes |
| 23:29.45 | psywar | very much so |
| 23:29.54 | fooz | bleh |
| 23:29.57 | citral | psycose: yes |
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| 23:30.07 | fooz | /usr will probably never go over 8 gigs unless you go hog wild installing crap there |
| 23:30.11 | psywar | especially if you put home directories in /usr/home |
| 23:30.18 | aokaze | where would be website be if you had apache installed? is that /var? |
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| 23:30.33 | fooz | my /home is 24gb |
| 23:30.38 | psywar | aokaze: you can put it anywhere, with proper configuration. /var/www is one convention |
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| 23:31.01 | aokaze | what is Debians defult for where the web should be? |
| 23:31.15 | citral | aokaze: what web? |
| 23:31.18 | psycose | ok |
| 23:31.18 | peterS | aokaze: "where the web should be"? |
| 23:31.38 | aokaze | I mean for apache |
| 23:31.40 | cafuego | aokaze: eth0 normally. |
| 23:31.49 | cafuego | aokaze: ok, web site. /var/www |
| 23:31.57 | citral | aokaze: for me it's /home/site |
| 23:32.01 | peterS | aokaze: read /etc/apache/httpd.conf. it's not like you aren't going to be changing that file *anyway*. |
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| 23:32.47 | fooz | hmm i think i like udev |
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| 23:32.53 | citral | bleh |
| 23:32.56 | fooz | wonder if it works with selinux yet |
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| 23:33.16 | psywar | does anyone (incl cafuego) know what this fakeroot make-kpkg actually did? |
| 23:33.19 | cafuego | fooz: if mwilson hears you sday that, you'll get flamed AND eaten alive. |
| 23:33.22 | fooz | citral, i was a big devfs user before they canned it :P |
| 23:33.27 | psycose | citral in /etc/modutils/alsa i've got "alias /dev/dsp* snd-pcm-oss" i just try to find out ... |
| 23:33.34 | aokaze | oh another question as someone mentioned eth0. I currently have to remove my ethernet card in order to use my modem. is there some way to make it so that its not looking for internet off of eth0 instaid of ppp0 |
| 23:33.35 | Xemacs_ | <<< already had problems with udev ! went back to older ! |
| 23:33.45 | cafuego | psywar: fakeroot make-kpkg builds a kernel-image-version package containing a kernel. |
| 23:33.47 | fooz | citral, mwilson doesn't bother me if I don't bother him |
| 23:33.53 | fooz | we cool |
| 23:34.14 | citral | psycose: you shouldn't modify /etc/modutils, just put snd-pcm-oss in /etc/modules like I told you |
| 23:34.22 | psywar | did it put that thing in /usr/src/modules? |
| 23:34.30 | cafuego | psywar: No. |
| 23:34.40 | fooz | cafuego, ? |
| 23:34.49 | psywar | oh, that's just the source .deb file? |
| 23:34.52 | fooz | oops |
| 23:34.53 | psywar | hm |
| 23:34.53 | citral | fooz: so? have fun with udev, and chack the bts. |
| 23:34.54 | psycose | citral i've not modify it, i is already there ;-) |
| 23:35.02 | psywar | okay, so now what? |
| 23:35.06 | fooz | cafuego, not wearing my glasses |
| 23:35.15 | psywar | where did it put its work product? |
| 23:35.19 | psywar | how do I make it go |
| 23:35.34 | cafuego | psywar: No, 'make-kpkg modules-image' will build your zaptec module. |
| 23:35.43 | fooz | citral, nah, i'll live dangerously |
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| 23:36.02 | psywar | ok, I think it did - there's something in /usr/src/modules/ |
| 23:36.15 | citral | your choice :) |
| 23:36.24 | cafuego | psywar: Yes, a tarball and a directory, I'd hope. |
| 23:37.07 | psywar | well, a .deb file and a directory |
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| 23:37.28 | psywar | do I install the .deb file somehow? |
| 23:37.34 | cafuego | psywar: A .deb? That will be your driver, then. |
| 23:37.39 | cafuego | psywar: 'dpkg -i foo.deb' |
| 23:37.40 | citral | fooz: but don't come here and ask why udev doesn't setup your usb burner right, mmkay :) |
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| 23:37.51 | fooz | usb is no bus for a CD burner |
| 23:37.56 | xtreme | i'm able to connect with ReflectionX and run some apps on my remote X11 server, including firefox, gnome-terminal ++, but i'm not able to run the X window manager, startx etc.. does anyone have a good idea ? |
| 23:37.58 | citral | usb2 is |
| 23:38.03 | fooz | usb is for input devices |
| 23:38.05 | cafuego | firewire is |
| 23:38.11 | fooz | cafuego, yeh! |
| 23:38.21 | psywar | cafuego: awesome, thanks so much |
| 23:38.27 | cafuego | usb2 is a dirty hack |
| 23:38.31 | cafuego | psywar: Enjoy! |
| 23:38.31 | psywar | indeed |
| 23:38.32 | citral | usb 2.0 gve me 52x without a failure, that's ok to me |
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| 23:38.47 | cafuego | citral: And how much cpu did it eat in the process? |
| 23:38.47 | fooz | yeah, well.. firewire gave me 53x! with negative failures! |
| 23:38.57 | psywar | when usb and firewire came out, I was like "usb [1.0] is like firewire, only suckier" |
| 23:38.59 | fooz | so I had a failure defecit! |
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| 23:39.05 | citral | cafuego: 99.999%? |
| 23:39.14 | psywar | it was cheaper though |
| 23:39.17 | citral | no, about 30% or so |
| 23:39.18 | psywar | the chips |
| 23:39.28 | cafuego | MY GOD! |
| 23:39.35 | fooz | so I gave away my failures to linux users who missed windows |
| 23:39.40 | cafuego | People with cars THAT smelly shouldbe banned from parking outside my house. |
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| 23:40.04 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: either that, or you should impound the car and have the head gasket replaced |
| 23:40.12 | psycose | citral: thanks for giving time ... have a nice time |
| 23:40.19 | citral | psycose: no problem |
| 23:40.20 | dondelelcaro | (or piston rings, or whatever else they've managed to break) |
| 23:40.22 | cafuego | usb2 is a typical x86 land rape of what Apple designed for slow character devices. |
| 23:40.48 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I think a hand grenade up the tailpipe would be too kind. |
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| 23:41.11 | citral | hold on the rocket launcher, right now< |
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| 23:42.06 | cafuego | -2 ; meh |
| 23:42.41 | fooz | what quake mod is that from? |
| 23:42.48 | citral | arena |
| 23:43.00 | pipeline | Apple was not a principle inventor of USB. |
| 23:43.05 | psywar | this was a very hard install |
| 23:43.07 | pipeline | They were just an early adopter |
| 23:43.12 | psywar | I should write up everything I had to do |
| 23:43.18 | pipeline | Also, Firewire kind of sucks. |
| 23:43.26 | pipeline | It's fast, but the chips are expensive |
| 23:43.37 | citral | Yeah, everything sucks |
| 23:43.37 | cafuego | pipeline: No, they were however the company that popularised it to the point where pc manufacturers decided to hop on the bandwagon. |
| 23:43.37 | tobehz | parellel port for life! :O |
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| 23:43.45 | Gathond | isn't it only apple that can call it firewire and not its IEEE code? |
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| 23:43.51 | pipeline | cafuego: That is also untrue; I have tons of PC gear that has USB (and predates the iMac) |
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| 23:44.15 | cafuego | pipeline: bandwagon, not goat cart. |
| 23:44.21 | x2hadowx | hola |
| 23:44.25 | fooz | Universal Sucking Bus |
| 23:44.30 | x2hadowx | holaaaaaaaaa |
| 23:44.46 | pipeline | cafuego: Whatever. I have HP, Dell, and Compaq machines with USB from before the iMac. Apple, if anyone, was jumping on the bandwagon. |
| 23:44.56 | cafuego | fooz: Naaah, it's GREAT for /dev/input/* |
| 23:45.06 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: you must have been sleeping through that time period of history... |
| 23:45.12 | x2hadowx | como estan |
| 23:45.18 | psywar | cheap always seems to defeat good. witness PC vs Mac, IDE vs SCSI, USB vs firewire |
| 23:45.24 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: If by "sleeping" you mean "less than worshipful of the iMac," then, yes. |
| 23:45.25 | x2hadowx | nadie entiende español |
| 23:45.28 | cafuego | pipeline: Selling a machine with usb is not quite the same as selling a machine which USES usb. |
| 23:45.30 | x2hadowx | :s |
| 23:45.31 | psywar | except in the case of Linux versus MS :) |
| 23:45.32 | pipeline | psywar: SCSI was an example of cheap defeating good in the first place. |
| 23:45.32 | citral | If it sucks or not, it's totally equal for me. I've got a 80 Euros DVD/CD-RW external usb burner that go well with my ibook, and better with the PC. |
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| 23:45.43 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 23:45.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:45.44 | psywar | pipeline: how so? |
| 23:45.46 | pipeline | cafuego: I'll give you that. Everyone had USB, but nobody used it :P |
| 23:45.47 | tobehz | x2hadowx: no se habla espanol, ir a #debian-es |
| 23:45.56 | x2hadowx | gracias |
| 23:46.02 | pipeline | psywar: There were plenty of faster disk interfaces before SCSI. SCSI was the slow, ugly, possibly-retarded kid on the block when it showed up. |
| 23:46.09 | psywar | haha |
| 23:46.12 | cafuego | pipeline: Though that could be a matter of blaming Windows95/98 |
| 23:46.30 | psywar | it's still more elegant than IDE |
| 23:46.38 | pipeline | cafuego: Windows 95 specifically. Windows 95 was a fiasco. Plugging in a USB device could crash the machine. |
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| 23:46.57 | dondelelcaro | didn't usb support only come in in 98 rev2 anyway? |
| 23:47.05 | psywar | well, actually SCSI is IDE, I should properly say ATA |
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| 23:47.09 | Gathond | pipeline: windows 95 did not have USB support did it ?, before the OCR2 release anyway |
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| 23:47.23 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: it would use USB devices, yes. I wouldn't go so far as to call it "support". |
| 23:47.23 | pipeline | psycose: ATAPI, SATA, and to some extent ATA are all wrappers around SCSI command sets. They're not that different. |
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| 23:48.01 | bob2 | and firewire. |
| 23:48.01 | lOSTmONK | wow |
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| 23:48.02 | psywar | I know abotu ATAPI, but not so sure about ATA |
| 23:48.02 | pipeline | Gathond: Windows 95, even the OSR2 version, had no useful USB support :P |
| 23:48.08 | cafuego | psywar: Yes, ATA too |
| 23:48.09 | pipeline | psycose: ATA is rather similar. It's not a strict superset or subset, though. |
| 23:48.09 | kaplanfx | dpkg: ntp |
| 23:48.10 | dpkg | i heard ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 23:48.10 | Gathond | pipeline: but is was the first to claim it had :) |
| 23:48.10 | Rawplayer | dondelelcaro: whats -J ? |
| 23:48.13 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 23:48.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 23:48.19 | Rawplayer | k |
| 23:48.21 | kaplanfx | whoa |
| 23:48.23 | pipeline | Gathond: I'm pretty sure it came out after Windows 98, heh |
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| 23:48.32 | psywar | doesn't ATA use chs whereas SCSI has always been LBA? |
| 23:48.32 | kaplanfx | thats the first time dpkg every said anything smart to me |
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| 23:48.33 | pipeline | Gathond: Or no, you're right. |
| 23:48.45 | jon_ | Is anybody using pam_ldap on Sarge? |
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| 23:48.56 | citral | probably |
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| 23:49.05 | psywar | if the command sets are similar, the API sure is pretty different |
| 23:49.07 | pipeline | psycose: The difference between SCSI and ATA is that you can have more than one device on a SCSI chain, and SCSI is usually more expensive. That's it. The performance difference asymptotically approaches zero. |
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| 23:49.14 | dondelelcaro | weee. |
| 23:49.21 | SiliconViper | Mmmm... pretty screenshot... |
| 23:49.22 | SiliconViper | http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/screenshots/lo/debian-0001-sex.png |
| 23:49.24 | user01 | networking question: is there a way to detect my brothers x-box on the network and block it through the router? i guess first i need to know how to find the xbox address... |
| 23:49.24 | pipeline | psywar: Of course, IDE drives are usually the cheapest and shittiest thing a given maker produces. |
| 23:49.25 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: you are clueless. |
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| 23:49.39 | pipeline | psywar: Which, in itself, has an impact on performance. |
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| 23:49.42 | SiliconViper | Or, in uber-high-resolution... http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/screenshots/hi/debian-0001-sex.png |
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| 23:49.44 | psywar | well, yes, but there are some interesting things, like 3rd party transfers |
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| 23:49.54 | tbbw | hello and thanx for the help last time :) |
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| 23:50.06 | TrAPPiX_ | could someone please explain how I could monitor both CPUs in an SMP configuration, to make sure they are both functioning |
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| 23:50.08 | pipeline | SiliconViper: Hideous :P |
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| 23:50.20 | dondelelcaro | TrAPPiX_: top can tell you per-cpu |
| 23:50.21 | citral | SiliconViper: you cannot work, with a desktop like that |
| 23:50.23 | tbbw | any one know what the app name of the stats on this screenshot to the left: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/contrib/discostoo_sephiroth.jpg |
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| 23:50.29 | bucky | !lart FieldySnuts |
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| 23:50.32 | pipeline | TrAPPiX_: cat /proc/cpuinfo will show both |
| 23:50.32 | kaplanfx | where does the ntp config file go? |
| 23:50.39 | SiliconViper | citral, Strange, I seem to be able to. |
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| 23:50.47 | user01 | or is there a howto on it? hes using way too much of my bandwitdth for his halo games |
| 23:50.47 | TrAPPiX_ | thankyou all |
| 23:50.48 | dondelelcaro | tbbw: gkrellm |
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| 23:50.52 | toresbe | fooz: Why? |
| 23:50.52 | citral | tbbw: gkrellm |
| 23:50.53 | toresbe | fooz: It's a handy, reliable, cross-platform, fast system, based on completely open standards... What's not to like? |
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| 23:51.01 | tbbw | nice TY again guys :D |
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| 23:51.09 | jon_ | user01, just find out what port Halo is on, and then block that ;) |
| 23:51.12 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: I turned it off cause of the netsplit |
| 23:51.19 | FieldySnuts | ah i didn't see the split |
| 23:51.30 | fooz_ | toresbe, always been flaky for me |
| 23:51.38 | FieldySnuts | user error? |
| 23:51.38 | user01 | Jon: ok is there a function in linux for doing that? |
| 23:51.41 | tbbw | anyone know of a program to show syslog in the background? iwe seen some ppl to do that :) |
| 23:51.43 | pipeline | SiliconViper: more like http://tinyurl.com/4kjz8 |
| 23:51.43 | tobehz | SiliconViper: how do you have such a beautiful desktop? @_@ |
| 23:51.48 | toresbe | fooz: "Didn't work for me, so it must be suxuxuux" |
| 23:51.52 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: dunno... main rotation server died or something |
| 23:51.54 | psywar | is there a log of all the apt-get install commands you have run? |
| 23:51.56 | tbbw | and its for fluxbox |
| 23:51.57 | jon_ | user01, find an iptables tutorial - I think theres one around tldp.org |
| 23:51.58 | FieldySnuts | tbbw: transparent borderless Eterm perhaps |
| 23:52.00 | toresbe | fooz: Classic PEBKAC |
| 23:52.08 | user01 | Jon: thanks ill go look for it |
| 23:52.15 | FieldySnuts | oh and scrollbarless and menubarless Eterm too |
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| 23:52.35 | citral | yeah, but the most important, transparent menu |
| 23:52.43 | citral | bleh |
| 23:52.43 | tbbw | FieldySnuts: okey ill read the manual of eterm and c if i can do that :) |
| 23:52.44 | fooz | toresbe, why bother asking if you're not even interested in discussing things? it looks to me like you just want to be right |
| 23:52.46 | dondelelcaro | aka, lametroid, totally unusable terms |
| 23:52.50 | fooz | so go ahead :) i've got better things to do |
| 23:52.53 | FieldySnuts | fooz: he's a troll |
| 23:52.54 | SiliconViper | tobehz, ^_^ |
| 23:53.02 | tobehz | SiliconViper: tell me @_@ |
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| 23:53.26 | jlj | is xine the fastest movie mpeg player that is included in debian? |
| 23:53.27 | toresbe | fooz: Well, what has your experience of flakiness been? |
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| 23:53.34 | fooz | like make a fork of udev that doesn't use a tmpfs |
| 23:53.36 | dondelelcaro | jlj: it's fast enough, yes. |
| 23:53.38 | toresbe | jlj: That is included in Debian, possibly |
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| 23:53.49 | toresbe | jlj: Try MPLayer on for size :) |
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| 23:53.52 | psywar | what was before SCSI? ESDI? |
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| 23:53.56 | SiliconViper | tobehz, Well, the closest thing I can offer is this, my little personal variant of tasksel. |
| 23:53.56 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/readme.html |
| 23:53.57 | FieldySnuts | mplayer != in debian |
| 23:54.04 | dondelelcaro | psywar: MFN... mwhahahaha. |
| 23:54.12 | tobehz | SiliconViper: Why not just tell me how you did it. -_- |
| 23:54.15 | psywar | MFM you mean? |
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| 23:54.19 | psywar | hah |
| 23:54.25 | TrAPPiX_ | Is there a gui to monitor independant CPU usage? |
| 23:54.27 | psywar | I mean what was faster than SCSI :) |
| 23:54.27 | dondelelcaro | er, yeah. |
| 23:54.30 | kini | whoops i'm trying to get to a french chatroom |
| 23:54.32 | psywar | TrAPPiX_: top |
| 23:54.38 | user01 | Jon: i thought iptables was for when the linux box was the router... |
| 23:54.40 | SiliconViper | tobehz, because that takes more effort than linking you. |
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| 23:54.44 | FieldySnuts | gkrellm can show individual cpus |
| 23:54.48 | TrAPPiX_ | Im looking at top now and I cant quite figure it out |
| 23:54.55 | TrAPPiX_ | Ohh gkrellm thats right! |
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| 23:54.59 | jon_ | user01, you're not using a Linux router? |
| 23:55.02 | FieldySnuts | so can top given the right options (hit the question mark) |
| 23:55.11 | psywar | I had a 386 with an RLL controller not that long ago |
| 23:55.12 | user01 | Jon: no its just a dlink router |
| 23:55.18 | psywar | and a MFM drive |
| 23:55.18 | tobehz | SiliconViper: link me to whatever you used for the time thing in the top-right, and the uptime meter in the middle :> |
| 23:55.19 | jon_ | user01, in that case you're on your own, try DLink support |
| 23:55.30 | SiliconViper | FieldySnuts, Yeah... mplayer is one of the few non-free packages I have.... mplayer, w32codecs, and unrar-nonfree |
| 23:55.33 | citral | TrAPPiX_: but if you want to be *really* IN, use gdesklets. Now you're a guru. |
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| 23:55.36 | SiliconViper | tobehz, I just did. |
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| 23:55.48 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 23:55.48 | cafuego | wheee! |
| 23:55.48 | TrAPPiX_ | whoa |
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| 23:55.49 | citral | yeahhhhh |
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| 23:55.51 | SiliconViper | BOOM! |
| 23:55.55 | cafuego | Surf it! |
| 23:56.05 | user01 | Jon: oh but is there a way to detect the xbox from my debian computer to find out the port? |
| 23:56.05 | citral | YIHAAAAAHHHH |
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| 23:56.13 | tobehz | SiliconViper: sorry, didnt see ^^ |
| 23:56.13 | kini | can someone help me? i am trying to get to a french chatroom |
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| 23:56.21 | SiliconViper | tobehz, no worries. |
| 23:56.24 | cafuego | See all the bitchx users get flooded off <heh> |
| 23:56.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:56.28 | mentor | !french |
| 23:56.28 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:56.32 | xam | what a ride |
| 23:56.32 | citral | what's that supposed to be? I heard dead socket once |
| 23:56.35 | kaplanfx | if I want ntpdate to run at an interval, is there a daemon that does it automagically or do I need to write a cron entry for it? |
| 23:56.38 | SiliconViper | tobehz, you found the link, then? Or do you need it again? |
| 23:56.40 | *** mode/#debian [+J 25,10] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:56.41 | xnp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:56.49 | tobehz | SiliconViper: Aye, got it :> |
| 23:56.54 | paulswm | cafuego: what happened, I didn't see, just went dead |
| 23:56.56 | FieldySnuts | thanks don |
| 23:56.56 | jon_ | user01, are you on a switch or a hub? |
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| 23:57.05 | psywar | kaplanfx: crontab, or run ntpd (not ntpdate) |
| 23:57.07 | kini | dpkg, how do i join #debian-fr? |
| 23:57.08 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, kini |
| 23:57.14 | dondelelcaro | kini: /join #debian-fr |
| 23:57.17 | psywar | kaplanfx: I think debian calls it ntp-server |
| 23:57.18 | mentor | kini: /jon #debian-fr? |
| 23:57.19 | pipeline | xnp: "dmz designs" ? |
| 23:57.22 | kaplanfx | psywar: ntpd doesn't have an install candidate |
| 23:57.24 | kaplanfx | ah |
| 23:57.34 | bob2 | mentor: @? |
| 23:57.37 | user01 | Jon: its a router... |
| 23:57.39 | psywar | ntpd is pretty cool |
| 23:57.39 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: you probably want ntp-simple... /msg dpkg set the time |
| 23:57.47 | mentor | erm... |
| 23:57.48 | user01 | Jon: switch |
| 23:57.52 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: yeah thats what im looking for |
| 23:57.53 | kaplanfx | thanks |
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| 23:58.00 | pipeline | user01: Does it say "cisco," "3com," or "Juniper" on the front? |
| 23:58.09 | kini | that is the http address? |
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| 23:58.12 | psycose | kini : with pleasure what can i do |
| 23:58.14 | jon_ | pipeline, it says DLink apparantly |
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| 23:58.24 | psywar | dmz: what's there to say? Put your servers on it, firewall them, harden them |
| 23:58.24 | mentor | bob2: That was a long time ago... |
| 23:58.26 | user01 | pipeline: says dlink... |
| 23:58.40 | pipeline | user01: Then it's not a router, it's a !@#$ gateway. |
| 23:58.48 | xnp | pipeline, yes, drawings with different topologies etc... |
| 23:58.50 | jon_ | user01, Google for it, there's probably something on filtering X-Boxes, but it's not here |
| 23:58.51 | *** join/#debian gggzzz (david@PA1-1B-u-0346.mc.onolab.com) |
| 23:58.56 | psywar | what you want is a firewall with at least 3 NICs, LAN WAN and DMZ |
| 23:58.57 | user01 | pipeline: thank you dlink mislabeled it then |
| 23:58.58 | fooz | a router is something that routes packets, isn't it? |
| 23:59.07 | pipeline | user01: And don't call it a router again. It's probably hard-pressed to do RIPv1, much less any actual routing protocol. |
| 23:59.09 | dondelelcaro | a pointless distinction... |
| 23:59.10 | paulswm | kini: it's an IRC channel |
| 23:59.15 | jon_ | pipeline, it's a router - packets go in on one net, and out on another. |
| 23:59.19 | mentor | fooz: It's a network protocol level switch... |
| 23:59.20 | pipeline | fooz: A router is something that does routing. Those 40$ gateways are not capable of routing, therefore they are not a router. |
| 23:59.22 | kristoffe | how do i kill the x server? trying ti install the nvidia driver, init 3 dosnt work, init 2 feks hangs my comp |
| 23:59.23 | kini | well, psycose, i am not sure. i am just trying to get to a french chatroom and talk in french about art and i accidentally got here, and this seems to be some kind of technical chat |
| 23:59.36 | bob2 | kristoffe: don't use broken redhat instructions |
| 23:59.42 | Stravinsky | Hi, i'm trying to print something with my hp3325, the printer is detected but it doesn't print :-\ |
| 23:59.43 | mentor | kini: Yup, this would be GNU/Linux related. |
| 23:59.46 | kristoffe | huh? |
| 23:59.46 | psywar | pipeline: heh |
| 23:59.46 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: if the thing can have a static route, it can do routing.... |
| 23:59.51 | SiliconViper | pipeline: :( Awww.... my what about my Cisco 2611? |
| 23:59.55 | kini | ok. sorry everyone. |
| 23:59.56 | rellik | pipeline, the linksys "routers" will do static routing |
