| 00:00.05 | s1x | sussudio, it's the client, which is a debian box, dummy |
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| 00:00.20 | sussudio | s1x: you're on #ubuntu, moron |
| 00:00.31 | s1x | sussudio, oh really |
| 00:00.35 | phogg | s1x: go to the CUPS web interface, it should have a web-based wizard for you |
| 00:00.36 | s1x | sussudio, and...? |
| 00:00.53 | s1x | phogg, but what type of protocol do i uyse? ipp and the ip? |
| 00:01.00 | guestish | phogg: heh |
| 00:01.05 | phogg | s1x: whatever you set up on the remote system. |
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| 00:01.25 | s1x | phogg, hmmm and how do i know htat? |
| 00:01.32 | FraudulentPeanut | i thought sarge runs on the 2.6 kernel |
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| 00:01.40 | phogg | s1x: well, you set it up, right? That should be a hint. |
| 00:01.42 | dvs | FraudulentPeanut: not by default |
| 00:01.45 | drac | I've just added some library paths to /etc/ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig. But I still have no idea where to define binary paths? |
| 00:01.50 | FraudulentPeanut | i typed in uname -r and it says i am on 2.4.27 |
| 00:01.56 | phogg | FraudulentPeanut: sarge runs on whatever kernel you bloody well like. |
| 00:02.01 | dvs | FraudulentPeanut: That means it's not installed |
| 00:02.16 | s1x | phogg, it doesn't explain which protocol is using... |
| 00:02.22 | FraudulentPeanut | ok how do i go about installing the wireless tools |
| 00:02.27 | phogg | s1x: ipp, probably |
| 00:02.37 | soften | FraudulentPeanut, apt-get update && apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:02.59 | phogg | s1x: don't ask me, do a portscan and see what's open. Try and connect via ipp and see if it works. Be assertive. |
| 00:03.02 | soften | that will return "the kernel" available to you. (more than one) |
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| 00:03.09 | bucky | s1x, ipp//<ip address>/printername ? |
| 00:03.16 | s1x | phogg, done that, nevermindand thanks for your time :) |
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| 00:03.25 | s1x | and sussudio go fuck yourself! |
| 00:03.26 | Blitx | Yo mamma |
| 00:03.34 | FraudulentPeanut | thank you |
| 00:04.15 | directhex | FraudulentPeanut, 2.4.27 by default, 2.6.8 as an install-time option, or extra apt-gettable package |
| 00:04.20 | Lo_Meinix | hey, I've got a problem compiling alsa-utils-1.0.8. I get an error during the compile can't stat j-ta.gmo.....anyone have an idea whats up? |
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| 00:04.28 | directhex | FraudulentPeanut, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:05.01 | drac | Lo_Meinix: Why are you compiling them by yourself? |
| 00:05.17 | Lo_Meinix | drac: cuz theres noone else who will? |
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| 00:05.26 | drac | Lo_Meinix: apt-get install alsa-utils ? |
| 00:06.22 | FraudulentPeanut | ok i did the search for kernel-image now do i use the apt-get install to download and install the wireless utils |
| 00:06.38 | Blitx | hey guys |
| 00:06.45 | Lo_Meinix | drac: yeah, it was borked from the beginning.....couldn't open amixer to turn up the sound. tried reinstalling alsa-utils, same thing so I figured I'd compile and upgrade to the latest version and see if that fixed it....I don't know what the hell I'm doing. |
| 00:06.48 | Blitx | I'm having trouble with my network device on 3.1 |
| 00:07.13 | phogg | Blitx: I weep for you |
| 00:07.17 | gilles | where can i get realplayer and windows media player codecs for debian ? |
| 00:07.41 | Blitx | thanks phogg |
| 00:07.48 | caphuso | gilles: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 00:08.12 | Blitx | I can't edit my devices file--I tried to add a line for eth0 but it says I can't modify it--and I can't seem to login as root |
| 00:08.35 | dvs | Blitx: How do you login as root? |
| 00:09.02 | Blitx | I can't. The login screen says I can't login from there as root. |
| 00:09.14 | soften | Blitx, man su |
| 00:09.14 | dvs | Blitx: You cannot login at root on X. |
| 00:09.29 | dataw0lf | http://www.boingboing.net/2005/01/27/jailed_for_using_a_n.html |
| 00:09.36 | gilles | caphuso: i have it in my sources-list already, but i don't what to get to make .ram and .asx sounds work with totem |
| 00:09.46 | Blitx | I'm not even sure if that is my problem, either--whatever is preventing me from editing the devices file in the network folder |
| 00:09.51 | dud | is it possible to upgrade my BIOS firmware under linux? |
| 00:09.53 | Blitx | it has loopback but not eth0 |
| 00:10.15 | dud | the motherboard in question has a .bin file and a .exe :/ |
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| 00:10.25 | dvs | Blitx: Log in under your normal account, open an XTerm window, then use "su" to login at root. |
| 00:10.54 | caphuso | gilles: did you install the w32codecs package? |
| 00:11.30 | thorie | whats the best way to clone a debian box so that a new box will have all the same programs, settings, files, etc. except will still need to be configured for the new hardware? could i just install debian on a new box, and then scp all the files to the new box? |
| 00:11.47 | dvs | thorie: dpkg --get-selections > file.txt |
| 00:11.59 | thorie | huh? |
| 00:12.16 | Thaiger | thorie: then copy all the .[program name] folders from one home directory to another |
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| 00:12.50 | thorie | there are hundreds of programs installed in /bin and /usr/bin that are not from debian packages, compiled straight from source |
| 00:13.04 | gilles | caphuso: yes, i did |
| 00:13.06 | osbert | ... |
| 00:13.19 | soften | then reconstruct from your system administrator's logs? |
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| 00:13.37 | yalu | can anyone tell me. is it possible to install xorg on Sarge? quake often freezes and I am hoping that running xorg will make the problem go away |
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| 00:14.01 | soften | probably not yalu, if you missed it in the topic |
| 00:14.03 | caphuso | i still need to get xorg to start without locking up my box |
| 00:14.06 | AngelGabriel | Evening everyone |
| 00:14.13 | chealer | yalu: what's your X driver? |
| 00:14.25 | Blitx | an idiot question I'm sure--How can I restart or shutdown? there's no button for it, only for log out |
| 00:14.38 | yalu | chealer: radeon, I am using the open source drivers (radeon 8500) |
| 00:14.41 | dvs | Blitx: Press the logout button |
| 00:14.51 | dvs | Blitx: Are you using sarge/testing? |
| 00:14.57 | Delph | Blitx: after doing this, more may be revealed... |
| 00:15.02 | bucky | Blitx, as su type shutdown -h now |
| 00:15.07 | gilles | caphuso: i'm sorry... it works... |
| 00:15.08 | Blitx | whatever v3.1 RC1 is |
| 00:15.19 | dvs | Blitx: Just press the logout button |
| 00:15.31 | gilles | caphuso: it's just mplayer that doesn't work, but it works with totem |
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| 00:16.07 | Blitx | pressing logout takes me to the login screen which has no restart or shutdown buttons either |
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| 00:16.17 | Blitx | I'll do the shutdown -h now thing if I have to |
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| 00:16.29 | soften | he's a smart bot :) |
| 00:16.38 | angelgabriel | evening everyone |
| 00:16.44 | Delph | Blitx: it should have it under the menus... |
| 00:16.50 | chealer | yalu: ah, do you have an idea what's the problem? logs, other games, BTS? |
| 00:16.53 | Delph | well, most normal ones do =:) |
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| 00:17.02 | bucky | Blitx, ctl-alt-F2 and then shutdow -h now |
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| 00:18.05 | bucky | Delph, i dont think xdm does |
| 00:18.10 | Blitx | Not to sound like a pesky Windows convert newbie, but is there a sort of "Device Manager" where I can see if my network card was detected? |
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| 00:18.22 | bucky | type ifconfig |
| 00:18.27 | yalu | chealer: nah not really, just X sucking up a lot of cpu time while the game doesn't |
| 00:18.30 | Delph | Blitx: dmesg is another good place to look. |
| 00:18.31 | yalu | it happens very often |
| 00:18.32 | bucky | Blitx, it should show eth0 |
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| 00:18.53 | Thrawn^ | Hey, I have 2 ethernet pro 100 cards... with just 1, they work fine... with 2, they both become unresponsive... Any ideas? |
| 00:18.54 | Delph | (if nothing is shown in ifconfig) |
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| 00:19.07 | Blitx | I guess that's why my eth0 wasn't working. It isn't there. |
| 00:19.23 | yalu | maybe I can catch some output from quake and post it on debian-user later |
| 00:19.33 | thorie | is there a place where i can ask questions without getting banned? |
| 00:19.34 | quitte | Thrawn^: cable in the wrong card? |
| 00:19.35 | chealer | yalu: ok...maybe you can try tuxracer so you have an idea how bad it is :) |
| 00:19.45 | Delph | thorie: "/join #thorie" |
| 00:19.47 | yalu | hehe |
| 00:19.47 | bucky | Blitx, how did you install without network? |
| 00:19.57 | bucky | Delph, lol |
| 00:19.59 | thorie | Delph: i need help with something |
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| 00:20.09 | Delph | thorie: *whistles between his teeth* |
| 00:20.12 | Delph | not sure about that. |
| 00:20.12 | Thrawn^ | quitte: both are connected to the same router... and i didnt swap cables |
| 00:20.14 | chealer | yalu: basically, I think trying xorg is much more trouble. unless you heard radeon was more stable on it? |
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| 00:20.23 | Delph | what *specifically* do you want help with? |
| 00:20.32 | yalu | chealer: maybe you're right |
| 00:20.33 | dvs | Blitx: What network card do you have? |
| 00:20.38 | quitte | Thrawn^: that's a stupid setup anyhow |
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| 00:20.51 | Thrawn^ | quitte: how so? |
| 00:20.54 | thorie | Delph: i want to move my linux installation to a new computer |
| 00:21.02 | Blitx | It is the integrated controller on an nForce2 board |
| 00:21.09 | Delph | thorie: i'd suggest plainly reinstalling it, then copying over the config files. |
| 00:21.10 | Blitx | I installed from a burned disc |
| 00:21.11 | quitte | Thrawn^ what do you want to do with two cards in one network? |
| 00:21.22 | Thrawn^ | quitte: when I want to forward port 80 connections sometimes, and I want to receive port 80 connections other, how else would you do it? iptables doesnt allow you to use psudo interfaces |
| 00:21.33 | thorie | Delph: i have hundreds of custom-compiled programs installed... how do I get the same programs into the new computer? |
| 00:21.37 | yalu | Thrawn^: ifconfig does |
| 00:21.40 | bucky | thorie, fire up the installation mover wizard.. it's under the big K |
| 00:21.49 | Thrawn^ | yalu: how would you set up the forward then? |
| 00:21.50 | Delph | thorie: you're not using debian then? |
| 00:21.53 | yalu | ifconfig eth0:0 up |
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| 00:21.56 | thorie | i am |
| 00:22.00 | peterS | thorie: copy your /usr/local tree wholesale |
| 00:22.01 | thorie | im using debian |
| 00:22.02 | chealer | yalu: BTW what's your kernel? if you didn't know yet #ati may help |
| 00:22.02 | caphuso | thorie: scp -r /usr/local root@otherbox:/ |
| 00:22.06 | yalu | Thrawn^: use the virtual ethernet adresses? |
| 00:22.16 | yalu | chealer: 2.6.7, vanilla iirc |
| 00:22.38 | Thrawn^ | hrm... you mean use the ip address? |
| 00:22.40 | quitte | Thrawn^: are you maybe assigning the same address to both cards? |
| 00:23.10 | Thrawn^ | quitte: even with the other disabled via ifdown, it doesnt work :( |
| 00:23.20 | thorie | :( |
| 00:23.44 | Delph | thorie: and if you're changing anything big, then move your configurations for the compiled things over and recompile... |
| 00:23.46 | quitte | Thrawn^: no problems here with two eepros |
| 00:24.01 | thorie | is there an easier way to do this? |
| 00:24.01 | Thrawn^ | let me try using a different card on the same network |
| 00:24.02 | Thrawn^ | afk |
| 00:24.24 | thorie | i just want all of the exact same files as I have it on my current hard disk onto the new hard disk |
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| 00:25.45 | Delph | thorie: then copy them over; so long as you know that your hardware and kernel aren't having to change... |
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| 00:26.07 | Danar | anyone know how to make my mouse config persist across logons/reboots? |
| 00:26.08 | Blitx | does debian work with USB flash drives? |
| 00:26.12 | peterS | Blitx: yes |
| 00:26.18 | dvs | Blitx: yup |
| 00:26.19 | gilles | the sound doesn't work in when firefox opens Macromedia Flash Player videos |
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| 00:26.27 | Danar | the buttons get rearranged, and i have to keep using xmodmap to fix them |
| 00:26.28 | dioman | anyone use squrrielmail |
| 00:26.30 | peterS | Danar: probably a matter of putting the right kernel modules into /etc/modules |
| 00:26.31 | directhex | gilles, don';t use esd or arts then |
| 00:26.56 | gilles | directhex: what else then ? |
| 00:27.01 | gilles | directhex: i use esd |
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| 00:27.12 | gilles | directhex: i don't know how to change for another |
| 00:27.12 | Danar | peterS: i doubt it's that. it resets even if i just log out and back in |
| 00:27.13 | peterS | Danar: ahh. you can create a file ~/.xmodmap which contains xmodmap commands |
| 00:27.15 | niriven | Doesnt debian have a dns lookup tool? |
| 00:27.21 | Danar | ok |
| 00:27.25 | Danar | thx |
| 00:27.40 | bucky | niriven, like dig? |
| 00:27.44 | hetore | host (1) - DNS lookup utility |
| 00:27.46 | niriven | like host? |
| 00:27.49 | zignig | niriven: host or dig ? |
| 00:27.50 | drac | niriven: or nslookup |
| 00:27.57 | bucky | dnsutils |
| 00:27.59 | niriven | id prefer host but i dont see it in the apt cache |
| 00:28.18 | niriven | ah thanks |
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| 00:28.38 | Blitx | after I plug in the USB drive, where will it pop up? |
| 00:28.40 | Danar | peterS: is it .xmodmap, or .Xmodmap? |
| 00:28.58 | bucky | !host woody |
| 00:29.01 | peterS | Danar: .xmodmap, I think. that's what I have, but I also have a custom .xsession which reads it explicitly, so I can't be sure |
| 00:29.17 | bucky | !host sarge |
| 00:29.20 | Newport | hi i have rebuilt the 2.6.8 kernel about 20 times now, it will not boot, it kernel panics... i have my menu.lst and build command i used here.. please look at it :) |
| 00:29.20 | Danar | i had both. the .x was an empty document, and the .X one has the command in it |
| 00:29.22 | Newport | http://www.pastebin.com/234383 |
| 00:29.23 | paulswm | grrr, what a really crap day |
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| 00:29.36 | dvs | Blitx: You have to check your /var/log/messages file |
| 00:29.37 | supaman | man page says .xmodmaprc |
| 00:29.41 | peterS | Danar: hmmm, now I'm not seeing where .xmodmap or .Xmodmap are read by default. I could be mistaken |
| 00:29.50 | zignig | paulswm: for use on annoying customers only. .... :) |
| 00:29.54 | Danar | thx, supaman |
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| 00:30.38 | supaman | Danar: uhh ... wait, read the man page, its not specific about it ... |
| 00:30.50 | Danar | yeh, i was just wondering... |
| 00:31.04 | bucky | Newport, you don't need an initrd img ? |
| 00:31.04 | Danar | seems xmodmap made the .X one automatically. |
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| 00:31.22 | Newport | bucky, i think i do.... but that command didnt build one |
| 00:31.46 | bucky | Newport, i saw a grub config.. was that the right url? |
| 00:32.03 | Newport | yeah and under it is the build command i used |
| 00:32.07 | Newport | whats the command line to build the kernel and initrd? |
| 00:32.32 | paulswm | zignig: annoying colleague, actually, my day started at 0330 becuase he'd put an Oracle stored procedure into production without testing it, the effects on the database were profound and it took most of the day to clean up. That's just part of the day, had to deal with three more idiots^H^H^H^H^H^Hvendors. Tomorrow, I'm going to put my colleague in a wood chipper. |
| 00:33.10 | bucky | Newport, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
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| 00:33.25 | dvs | paulswm: Can we watch? ;-) |
| 00:33.32 | paulswm | heh |
| 00:33.36 | Blitx | dang I'm lost--is there some sort of XP to Debian newbie guide manual or something? |
| 00:33.59 | helloyo | Blitx, what help do you need? |
| 00:34.02 | supaman | Blitx: hehehe .... you wish :-) |
| 00:34.07 | paulswm | dvs: everyone screws up, no doubt he'll be hauling _my_ ass out of the fire sometime |
| 00:34.22 | bucky | Blitx, http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 00:34.41 | Blitx | geeze, it seems like I've got a thousand newbie questions like "Where is the My Computer equivelant" and such heh |
| 00:34.47 | directhex | Blitx, http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04MjQ=, which contains links to 2 older partts. it's a bit out of date thgough |
| 00:34.59 | dvs | paulswm: I've never experienced that yet. I'm _always_ hauling someone else's ass out of the fire. |
| 00:35.04 | Blitx | at least I'm not spazing about no start button though |
| 00:35.05 | andycb | have a problem.. whenever i write a file to a directory it sets the permission so only the user can read it.. how can i make it to set the permissions as default to 775.. so that another user or any user can read it (eg: apache) |
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| 00:35.35 | directhex | Blitx, whicih window manager are you using? |
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| 00:35.42 | qwerty | My kernel source became corupt, I redownladed 2.6.10 used the same .config file, and now when I try to compile my nvidia driver it complains ...include/linux/modversions.h doesnt exist. Anyone know why? |
| 00:35.46 | Blitx | KDE |
| 00:35.47 | zignig | paulswm: ah, the clue bat can be used on him/her as well :) |
| 00:35.59 | bucky | Blitx, did you choose the desktop option in taskell during install? |
| 00:36.02 | zignig | paulswm: backups ? , replicated datbasii ? |
| 00:36.06 | Blitx | I used to use gnome in Mandrake at one point but it isn't quite the same in debian |
| 00:36.20 | doub | andycb: 'umask 002' |
| 00:36.21 | Blitx | yes |
| 00:36.24 | bucky | kde is kde |
| 00:36.30 | supaman | Blitx: then you should have a look through the documentation on KDE's website |
| 00:36.34 | andycb | doub: thanks |
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| 00:38.01 | andycb | doub: andy way of making that directory specific.. i dont want all my files to be readable by anyone |
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| 00:38.18 | niriven | Does debian not have mplayer anymore? says its uninstallable |
| 00:38.23 | directhex | !mplayer |
| 00:38.23 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available. marillat website is DOWN. See: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ (maybe) |
| 00:38.31 | doub | andycb: there is none, AFAIK |
| 00:38.38 | paulswm | zignig: no, just backed out today's data and reran most of the batch. He'd screwed up a table which was the source for a whole bunch of generated tables and reports. This is a big database (1.5 TB) so restores take for ever, so that is very much a last reasort |
| 00:38.42 | doub | andycb: you can always change the perms afterwards |
| 00:38.49 | qwerty | niriven deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 00:39.07 | andycb | doub: thanks, im making the file over samba, do u know if i can set the default permissions through there? |
| 00:39.21 | Newport | make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --append-to-version _chris --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg -- initrd --append-to-version _chris --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 00:39.28 | Newport | that look good? |
| 00:39.31 | doub | andycb: it's possible, man samba.conf |
| 00:39.39 | niriven | qwerty: oh, there a reason why its no longer in unstable on ftp.us.debian? |
| 00:39.40 | doub | andycb: smb.conf sorry |
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| 00:39.56 | andycb | doub thanks |
| 00:40.01 | doub | andycb: search for umask |
| 00:40.04 | qwerty | niriven I didnt know it was there. This is always they place Ive got my debs from. |
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| 00:40.29 | niriven | qwerty: Oh thanks :) |
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| 00:42.15 | hetore | Linux laptop 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Sat Jan 8 16:50:08 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:42.31 | gilles | je n'arrive pas à entendre le son de la vidéo d'elie wiesel sur le site du monde, quelqu'un y arrive ? |
| 00:42.33 | smace | how do I update debian automatically? |
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| 00:42.40 | resiak | Newport: If you leave out the space between -- and initrd, yes |
| 00:42.45 | mrwill | smace: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 00:42.46 | resiak | !tell gilles about fr |
| 00:42.47 | doub | !fr |
| 00:42.47 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:42.55 | TimTY__ | ircd question: |
| 00:43.02 | mrwill | smace: or cron-apt, if you don't want to do that yourself. |
| 00:43.11 | gilles | resiak: sorry, i thought i was in debian-fr |
| 00:43.23 | TimTY__ | oper (O: line) can op self in channel?? |
| 00:43.45 | mrwill | TimTY__: server ops are different than channel ops. |
| 00:43.46 | Delph | TimTY__: depends on the network policy & setup. RTFM for the server you're on. |
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| 00:43.53 | Blitx | why is running Linux as root more dangerous than running Windows as a network admin? |
| 00:44.00 | TimTY__ | omy own ircd |
| 00:44.12 | TimTY__ | cuz root can delete / or sumthing |
| 00:44.14 | smace | thank you. I'll try. |
| 00:44.20 | directhex | Blitx, it isn't per se, but windows is so insecure there's little distinction between an admin and a user |
| 00:44.32 | Delph | Blitx: its equivalent to running windows as "SYSTEM" |
| 00:44.37 | Blitx | oh |
| 00:44.38 | mrwill | Blitx: dunno about 'more', but the point is it is easy to make mistakes that are very bad as root, and most of the time you don't need to be root anyway. |
| 00:44.38 | TimTY__ | good one directhex |
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| 00:45.01 | directhex | Blitx, whereas on *nix where it's genuinely different, it's worth training yourself to think in terms of 'my system is SAFE as a user. i should stay safe' |
| 00:45.03 | supaman | Blitx: but it is more dangerous to run linux as root then a normal user ... so allways use a normal user unless your doing maintainance jobs ... |
| 00:45.11 | bringerofwar | can someone confirm the presenece of a module for a brodcom 4401 ethernet on the latest deb netinst cd? |
| 00:45.14 | TimTY__ | so the deal is I am running my own ircd on my debian box |
| 00:45.22 | TimTY__ | package is ircd-ircu |
| 00:45.37 | andycb | doub: thanks alot.. working properly now |
| 00:45.54 | Delph | TimTY__: big lumps of rtfm for the irc server, i think. Really it depends on the server, how you configure it, and how the services (if any) are setup. |
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| 00:45.55 | Thaiger | Is there an easy way to make Evolution encrypt a message with GPG, but not send it as an atachment? |
| 00:45.58 | TimTY__ | not my package of choice, but its what apt installed for me under `install ircd` |
| 00:46.10 | mrwill | Thaiger: think so. |
| 00:46.27 | Sebo | Is there anyone from Poland there?? I would like to ask if he/she knows where can i buy one gadget connected with Debian ;P |
| 00:46.28 | TimTY__ | is it an umode flag or something? |
| 00:46.32 | Thaiger | mrwill:Any idea how? |
| 00:46.33 | mrwill | Thaiger: turn pgp/mime on or off, can't remember. |
| 00:46.41 | TimTY__ | i dunno what rtfm means? |
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| 00:46.46 | resiak | !rtfm |
| 00:46.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 00:46.53 | TimTY__ | uhhh |
| 00:47.05 | Thaiger | mrwill: In evolution right now I have a encyrpt with gpg button but it encrypts the message to an attachment |
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| 00:47.10 | Blitx | how do I mount a CD-ROM? I put in a disc with a linux version of my networking driver and need to get to it (couldn't figure out the USB drive) |
| 00:47.25 | Blitx | like "mount cdrom" or something? |
| 00:47.31 | resiak | Thaiger: You want to not use s/mime. |
| 00:47.33 | TimTY__ | ok ok ill rtfm and ask later :P |
| 00:47.35 | directhex | Blitx, mount /media/cdrom on sarge |
| 00:47.38 | zignig | paulswm: revoke his access , kick him in the butt ... and deny him coke machine access.... |
| 00:47.40 | Thaiger | resiak:Thanks |
| 00:47.43 | _shad | When using top, I see that a lot of the time the %wa is around 90-95%. I assume this stands for wait. How can I trace exactly what is causing this problem? |
| 00:47.51 | resiak | Thaiger: (IIRC) |
| 00:47.52 | mrwill | Thaiger: yeah, resiak remembers, knew it was something like that. |
| 00:47.56 | hetore | !zignig++ |
| 00:48.01 | supaman | Blitx: in KDE it is usually enough to right click on the cdrom drive and select mount from there, but from command line it is usually mount /cdrom or mount /mnt/cdrom |
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| 00:48.33 | TimTY__ | have any idea what the man page name is i should look under?? |
| 00:48.35 | mrwill | _shad: first I would look at what processes are running. |
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| 00:48.49 | Delph | TimTY__: see which man pages were installed with the package? |
| 00:48.57 | resiak | TimTY__: /usr/share/doc/ircd-ircu perhaps? |
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| 00:49.12 | _shad | mrwill: I see the processes, but they only show the remaining cpu usage, not including the %wa |
| 00:49.16 | supaman | or does KDE perhaps autodetect a CD if you click the cd-rom icon ?? dont know, dont use KDE |
| 00:49.17 | bratner | hi, i used Knoppix live cd to install itself on the harddrive - i want to make it a normal debian(sid) , after editing sources.list i ran 'dist-upgrade' . but it is not quite the same yet. what can i do to make it a proper debian system? |
| 00:49.28 | TimTY__ | cool |
| 00:49.29 | sussudio | bratner: install debian |
| 00:49.37 | mrwill | bratner: go back, start again, install debian. |
| 00:49.37 | TimTY__ | can i ask another? |
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| 00:49.42 | dvs | bratner: nothing. |
| 00:49.47 | m0r3 | hi night all |
| 00:50.05 | m0r3 | i have a problem |
| 00:50.08 | sussudio | bratner: and sid is NOT NORMAL DEBIAN |
| 00:50.14 | TimTY__ | can i add any additional loopback adapters? |
| 00:50.14 | sussudio | !pity bratner |
| 00:50.16 | dpkg | I pity da fool bratner! |
| 00:50.19 | chealer | bratner: install debian, just like I did :) |
| 00:50.28 | dvs | !beer chealer |
| 00:50.31 | chealer | !pity chealer |
| 00:50.32 | dpkg | I pity da fool chealer! |
| 00:50.34 | mrwill | TimTY: you only need one, I believe. |
| 00:50.38 | TimTY__ | is sarge normal? |
| 00:50.43 | m0r3 | trying install canon i250 under running sarge lol |
| 00:50.44 | chealer | wuhu, Maudite, that's fine beer |
| 00:50.45 | TimTY__ | i want another though |
| 00:50.52 | mrwill | TimTY__: it's probably normal enough. |
| 00:50.59 | TimTY__ | col |
| 00:51.02 | TimTY__ | err cool |
| 00:51.03 | m0r3 | what i need to make it work |
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| 00:51.07 | bratner | !pity vasya |
| 00:51.08 | dpkg | I pity da fool vasya! |
| 00:51.10 | sussudio | !lol |
| 00:51.10 | dpkg | methinks lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 00:51.10 | resiak | m0r3: You can't. |
| 00:51.16 | m0r3 | good |
| 00:51.19 | resiak | m0r3: I have one, and it's ^$&$ing annoying. |
| 00:51.21 | m0r3 | why not? |
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| 00:51.32 | mrwill | TimTY__: no, you don't understand, there is no situation in which you could ever possibly need a second loopback interface. |
| 00:51.32 | TimTY__ | hmmm |
| 00:51.46 | directhex | resiak, there's a company that makes good payware drivers for (amongst others) canon... |
| 00:51.51 | resiak | m0r3: I misread, I have an i350, but the problem is the same: no free drivers. |
| 00:51.53 | resiak | directhex: You're right. |
| 00:52.00 | resiak | m0r3: The way is to buy TurboPrint - google for it. |
| 00:52.02 | chealer | m0r3: no free drivers. only turbo print could help |
| 00:52.02 | TimTY__ | i think i need to be enlightend |
| 00:52.05 | sussudio | mrwill: lo vs lo battle to the death |
| 00:52.06 | bratner | sussudio : so what would be a 'NORMAL' debian if SID isn't one? |
| 00:52.15 | resiak | bratner: Woody, Sarge. |
| 00:52.17 | m0r3 | did u see the http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigos/verArtigo.php?codigo=1274&pagina=2 |
| 00:52.18 | sussudio | bratner: stable |
| 00:52.21 | directhex | resiak, i bought turboprint for my s300, i'm happy with it |
| 00:52.41 | resiak | bratner: Sid is only something that you run if you _really_ know what you're doing. |
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| 00:52.44 | Blitx | where is the kernel source stored? |
| 00:52.45 | resiak | directhex: Really? |
| 00:52.49 | _shad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.58 | mrwill | Blitx: in kernel source packages, of course. |
| 00:53.04 | smace | how do I search for one file in my hd? (running Debian) |
| 00:53.05 | Blitx | where is that |
| 00:53.11 | resiak | directhex: Hmm. If it works well, then I might re-think it. My success today with cvscedega leaves printing as the only thing I can't do here. |
| 00:53.12 | m0r3 | they talk about drivers but the dependecy insolit make kde go away to install some packages |
| 00:53.12 | TimTY__ | what if i want a loopback adapter to have more then one IP? |
| 00:53.13 | dvs | What lib package must I install to get rid of this error: (gconf:5727): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtklabel.c: line 2792 (gtk_label_set_use_underline): assertion `GTK_IS_LABEL (label)' failed |
| 00:53.21 | resiak | smace: man find; man locate; |
| 00:53.22 | mrwill | Blitx: why don't you try packages.debian.org, look for your kernel version. |
| 00:53.22 | TimTY__ | do I not need two loopbacks then?? |
| 00:53.23 | sussudio | smace: updatedb ; locate file |
| 00:53.35 | Blitx | I have no internet on that machine |
| 00:53.35 | mrwill | TimTY__: that's right. |
| 00:53.36 | m0r3 | rgr abot turbo print |
| 00:53.39 | m0r3 | tkx |
| 00:53.39 | supaman | Blitx: if you have it it is in /usr/src/ ... else you have to install it with apt-get install name-of-appropriate-package |
| 00:53.42 | Blitx | that's what I am trying to get fixed =) |
| 00:53.45 | bratner | resiak: define "_really_" |
| 00:53.53 | m0r3 | :>) |
| 00:53.54 | mrwill | Blitx: well, unless you specifically installed the kernel source packages, you probably don't have kernel sources. |
| 00:53.55 | resiak | bratner: If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 00:53.56 | smace | thank you. i really like this IRC, easier than windows :-) |
| 00:54.01 | TimTY__ | how can i give my single loopback two ip's? |
| 00:54.18 | resiak | TimTY__: Why?! |
| 00:54.18 | Piru | someone is confused |
| 00:54.20 | mrwill | TimTY__: the loopback interface has only one, and it is 127.0.0.1. |
| 00:54.22 | dondelelcaro | TimTY__: why would you even want to? |
| 00:54.37 | bratner | resiak: debian sid is my distro of choice for more then a year now - i might be missing something - therefor i ask. |
| 00:54.54 | Delph | resiak: they do, but can easily confuse programs with hardcoded 127.0.0.1 in them. |
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| 00:55.02 | TimTY__ | ohh |
| 00:55.03 | EfaistOs | does someone use gnomemeeting ? where can i register to ils.seconix.com |
| 00:55.04 | EfaistOs | ? |
| 00:55.09 | supaman | Blitx: how did you install the system on that machine? from cd-rom? if so then you should be able to use dselect on that cd-rom and look for the kernel source package there |
| 00:55.16 | TimTY__ | so i can use any 127.0.x as the loopback? |
| 00:55.21 | resiak | bratner: If you know how to deal with things when a package breaks things horribly, then you're fine. Would you know what to do if PAM broke, preventing you from logging in? |
| 00:55.25 | resiak | Delph: Ah. |
| 00:55.38 | Piru | timty, would you define "loopback" first? |
| 00:55.39 | mrwill | TimTY__: yes, and you should use 127.0.0.1, it is the right way. |
| 00:55.46 | TimTY__ | i know |
| 00:55.57 | TimTY__ | i'm ust doing something wierd |
| 00:55.58 | bratner | resiak: too easy - boot from a rescue disk and restore PAM. |
| 00:56.03 | Blitx | it looks like I've got the source in /usr |
| 00:56.14 | Blitx | however, I need to know the kernel output path now |
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| 00:56.24 | mrwill | Blitx: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 00:56.25 | bratner | resiak: but then again - why would PAM suddenly break? |
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| 00:56.30 | TimTY__ | development thing |
| 00:56.31 | resiak | bratner: It's happened. |
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| 00:56.38 | Blitx | I need to install audio and net drivers for my nForce2 board |
| 00:56.39 | TimTY__ | mono |
| 00:56.46 | Delph | bratner: because the config file format changed slightly and you kept your pam config? |
| 00:56.53 | Blitx | it requires that stuff |
| 00:56.54 | Delph | (classic way for things to break) |
| 00:56.57 | mrwill | Blitx: ok, you want to compile kernel modules then? |
| 00:57.01 | resiak | bratner: I'm not testing you. I'm just pointing out that things may well break disasterousy. |
| 00:57.05 | Blitx | yeah, I think |
| 00:57.06 | dvs | Blitx: The net driver for your motherboard is "forcedeth" |
| 00:57.15 | chealer | bratner: unless you're really worried about security, using testing is much better than unstable |
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| 00:57.29 | bratner | resiak: i'm aware that file formats in unstable can change |
| 00:57.37 | Blitx | dvs, I have no idea how to use that information really |
| 00:57.41 | fmhess | does anyone know how to use the sarge cd as a rescue cd? That is, get to the main menu then pop up a shell without going through the whole "partition your harddrive" stuff |
| 00:57.50 | dvs | Blitx: "modprobe forcedeth" |
| 00:57.55 | mrwill | Blitx: try 'modprobe forcedeth' as root, if what he says is accurate. |
| 00:57.56 | Delph | fmhess: alt-f2 might work... |
| 00:58.03 | chealer | Blitx: woody or sarge? |
| 00:58.10 | mrwill | fmhess: just switch virtual consoles. |
| 00:58.17 | fmhess | thanks! |
| 00:58.17 | resiak | bratner: Meh, that's just an example. Just don't come crying here if it all breaks on you :) |
| 00:58.18 | Blitx | whatever v3.1 RC1 is |
| 00:58.27 | mrwill | Blitx: that'd be sarge. |
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| 00:58.54 | bratner | resiak: i don't have anywhere else to go :) |
| 00:58.56 | chealer | Blitx: nForce 2 sound and net should work by default (at least I use that on 2.6) |
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| 00:59.09 | dvs | chealer: I think he has 2.4 |
| 00:59.11 | mrwill | Blitx: what does 'uname -a' say? |
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| 01:00.11 | Blitx | Linux Agamemnon 2.2.20-idepci $1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
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| 01:00.15 | resiak | bratner: Exactly: YOYO. |
| 01:00.35 | dvs | Blitx: Yikes! Update that kernel! |
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| 01:01.03 | mrwill | Blitx: you probably shouldn't be using the 2.2 kernel series if your hardware is at all modern. |
| 01:01.11 | dud | has anyone else had trouble with the netinst of sarge i368 cdimage not verifying? |
| 01:01.13 | Blitx | geeze--I just downloaded the latest debian like two weeks ago |
| 01:01.15 | swim | are there a lot of pure64 apps? (i take it running pure 64 on an amd64 is the only way to be running ONLY 64bit coded stuff? |
| 01:01.19 | Blitx | why would it use an old one? |
| 01:01.25 | Bogaurd | can someone please explain to me how i would go about installing python 2.2 on debian woody? ive looked, and thete are no backporst or anything =/ |
| 01:01.26 | Piru | sigh |
| 01:01.28 | dud | i cant verify the root.img file, among others |
| 01:01.31 | dvs | Blitx: What did you install first? |
| 01:01.35 | bratner | resiak : woody has too old software and testing has some features missing from specific apps i need |
| 01:01.45 | Blitx | what do you mean? |
| 01:01.47 | chealer | Blitx: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 01:02.10 | directhex | chealer, woody, obviously |
| 01:02.21 | dvs | Blitx: What version of Debian did you install first? |
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| 01:02.22 | Blitx | it says "3.0" |
| 01:02.26 | mrwill | Bogaurd: sounds like you'll have to backport it yourself. |
| 01:02.27 | chealer | bratner: that's no problem, you can use some sid software at the same time |
| 01:02.39 | Blitx | It was supposed to be 3.1 RC1--I just downloaded it and installed it on a fresh partition |
| 01:02.43 | directhex | Blitx, woody is debian 3.0 is from early 2002. if you're running a desktop, you want Sarge. much much easier, more up to date, friendlier, just not officially 'released' yet |
| 01:02.51 | Blitx | downloaded a couple weeks ago, installed last night |
| 01:02.57 | chealer | Blitx: as directhex says you're on woody. I don't see what you mean with 3.1 RC1 |
| 01:02.57 | directhex | !d-i |
| 01:02.58 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 01:03.00 | Bogaurd | mrwill: i tried that, but no luck =( |
| 01:03.02 | dvs | Blitx: It doesn't update the kernel automatically |
| 01:03.19 | Blitx | doh |
| 01:03.20 | mrwill | Bogaurd: did you dpkg -i the debs that came out of that process? |
| 01:03.23 | Blitx | file is called debian-30r1-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 01:03.26 | Piru | blitx, you can keep downloading stable (sarge) every week and you get pretty much the same old stuff every time |
| 01:03.28 | Blitx | I read 31r1 |
| 01:03.32 | Bogaurd | no debs came out |
| 01:03.36 | mrwill | Blitx: that is woody, it is 3.0r1 |
| 01:03.40 | directhex | Blitx, that's 3.0, release 1. which is july 2002's version |
| 01:03.42 | Bogaurd | i got lots of errors ^_^ |
| 01:03.47 | Blitx | well damnit |
| 01:04.02 | directhex | Blitx, go to the url dpkg has above, get a sarge install cd. |
| 01:04.03 | Blitx | it'll take forever to get a new ISO heh |
| 01:04.10 | Piru | don't get iso then |
| 01:04.15 | directhex | Blitx, i STRONGLY recommend it rather than the other option |
| 01:04.25 | Piru | just get some floppies and do net-install :) |
| 01:04.28 | dvs | Blitx: Do you have a fast internet connection? |
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| 01:04.39 | Blitx | I guess that explains why I've been having so much freaking trouble heh |
| 01:04.39 | directhex | Blitx, you _CAN_ upgrade the existing system, but i wouldn't recommend it at this stage |
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| 01:04.46 | mrwill | Bogaurd: that's not so good -- what I would try would take a little while. |
| 01:04.49 | Blitx | it's 1.5Mbps |
| 01:04.49 | directhex | !woody hardware support |
| 01:04.49 | dpkg | woody hardware support is, like, firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 01:04.55 | dvs | Blitx: That's fast enough. |
| 01:04.56 | resiak | bratner: Well install just the apps that you need from Sid. |
| 01:04.57 | Blitx | I can trash it if I need to--I've got nothing on it |
| 01:04.57 | Piru | heh, 1.5 is fine |
| 01:05.02 | chealer | Blitx: definitely |
| 01:05.03 | dvs | Blitx: Get the testing net install. |
| 01:05.04 | Piru | I did netinstall on 256kbps adsl, was ok |
| 01:05.13 | directhex | Blitx, exactly. get a net install cd for i386 from that url. |
| 01:05.22 | mrwill | Bogaurd: first, I'd figure out everything that python2.2 requires to compile, then, I would install everything I could with apt-get. |
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| 01:05.57 | Bogaurd | mrwill: ah ok |
| 01:05.58 | mrwill | Bogaurd: then I would try the simple sid backport again. |
| 01:06.15 | Blitx | well I feel stupid |
| 01:06.15 | Bogaurd | mrwill: k |
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| 01:06.32 | dvs | !beer Blitx |
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| 01:06.49 | mrwill | Bogaurd: take a look at the dependencies for python2.2 in sarge, that should give you a good idea of what you need. |
| 01:06.50 | bratner | ls |
| 01:06.53 | Blitx | hehe thanks |
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| 01:07.38 | bratner | where can i find info about mixing some sid packages into sarge installation? |
| 01:08.05 | dondelelcaro | bratner: man apt_preferences; /msg dpkg pinning. |
| 01:08.16 | blal | Is there a convenient map between module names and menu nodes in "make menuconfig"? I'm building a new kernel; I don't know what this box is using for a network adapter; lsmod shows 8139too in use. |
| 01:08.23 | dondelelcaro | bratner: although, if you have to ask about it, you probably don't want to do it. |
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| 01:09.01 | blal | I'm just assuming that the 8139too is the right module because that's the only network-related module that's loaded and there is only one interface configured. |
| 01:09.02 | mrwill | blal: don't think so. you could try to figure out the chipset of the adapter with lspci, and then build that driver. |
| 01:09.11 | chealer | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 01:09.22 | dvs | blal: lspci | grep eth |
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| 01:09.34 | bratner | dondelelcaro: i'll test it for safety before going production |
| 01:09.41 | mrwill | blal: 8139too is for the realtek based ethernet cards, btw. |
| 01:09.51 | bratner | dondelelcaro: thanx :-) |
| 01:09.51 | dondelelcaro | chealer: because you'd have no idea what you're getting into if you have to ask about it. |
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| 01:10.09 | blal | mrwill : dvs : I found it. It's from D-Link. ("Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10)") |
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| 01:10.23 | chealer | dondelelcaro: ah, I thought it was pretty simple |
| 01:10.29 | dondelelcaro | chealer: specifically, library conflicts, uninstallable packages, etc. If you're aware of all of these things, it's not a big deal. But if you're asking how to do it in here, you're clearly not. |
| 01:10.34 | dvs | blal: I guess 8139too is fine. |
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| 01:10.44 | m0r3 | ok buds tkx for spent time whith me and my poor linux :>) |
| 01:10.51 | mrwill | blal: there, so now all you need to know is what driver works with that chip, it may have the same name in the kernel you are building as the one you are using now. |
| 01:10.53 | Blitx | so are those non-official builds often updated? |
| 01:11.02 | m0r3 | cya |
| 01:11.06 | dvs | Blitx: yup |
| 01:11.19 | blal | mrwill : dvs : Found the menu item, too. Good to know that it's PCI... Help for "RealTek RTL-8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter support" mentioned 8139too.o. :) |
| 01:11.24 | Blitx | no such thing as "Debian Update" though I take it =) |
| 01:11.36 | mrwill | Blitx: yes, of course there is! |
| 01:11.41 | dvs | Blitx: There is but it's not recommended for a new install. |
| 01:11.48 | blal | mrwill : dvs : I'll double-check at a Linux hardware website. |
| 01:11.56 | mrwill | Blitx: that's the whole point of using debian. |
| 01:12.28 | Blitx | I just came to it because Mandrake felt too Fisher Price and I was told debian is solid |
| 01:12.53 | cycom | Blitx: I felt the same way. Especially after using Slack and Gentoo |
| 01:12.57 | bratner | dondelelcaro : thanx for the warning |
| 01:13.12 | zignig | Blitx: fisher price ? hehe , i'd call it dr zeus. |
| 01:13.21 | mrwill | cycom: Slack had a fisher price feel for you? huh. |
| 01:13.30 | pipeline | Blitx: The problem there is that Mandrake, unlike Fisher Price, doesn't do any fucking QA testing. |
| 01:13.31 | lawnchair | can somone tell me where the smtp.conf for sasl is in sarge |
| 01:13.33 | lawnchair | i cant find it anywhere |
| 01:13.34 | cycom | So far, I've had a few problems with woody 'not cutting it' but sarge works |
| 01:13.45 | pipeline | Blitx: Fisher Price doesn't sell broken-by-design toys :P |
| 01:13.47 | cycom | mrwill: was that sar |
| 01:13.51 | cycom | castic? |
| 01:13.51 | Blitx | heh |
| 01:14.00 | cycom | damn cat hit enter half way through my sentance |
| 01:14.01 | sussudio | what about "Bag o' Glass"? |
| 01:14.13 | cycom | no, that's OSX |
| 01:14.24 | Blitx | I installed Mandrake and the last time I did that it told me my entire 480GB RAID-5 was ext2 when it should say NTFS |
| 01:14.34 | Blitx | I about cried after seeing it |
| 01:14.48 | Blitx | restarted and no data problems in Windows |
| 01:15.09 | cycom | nearly gave you a heart attack though, right? |
| 01:15.15 | Blitx | about |
| 01:15.23 | Blitx | 100% Free, ext2 |
| 01:15.28 | Ecliptic | jesus |
| 01:15.29 | Ecliptic | heh |
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| 01:15.31 | Blitx | when in reality it was 5% Free, NTFS |
| 01:15.35 | dud | bleh, this sarge iso better work... or else im taking a long weekend heh |
| 01:15.37 | cycom | haha |
| 01:15.46 | cycom | dud: what's been going wrong? |
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| 01:15.56 | bytecolor | what's that time deamon you can run to sync your server with another? |
| 01:16.03 | dud | the sarge netiso been giving me md5 errors during install |
| 01:16.04 | mrwill | Blitx: well, you aren't good to be able to reliably write to ntfs under any linux anyway. |
| 01:16.04 | Ecliptic | ntpdate |
| 01:16.11 | bytecolor | aye |
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| 01:16.14 | dud | so im trying the full #1 cd now |
| 01:16.22 | cycom | it's fun having a moniter next to my TV so I can chat and watch 'The Hunt For Red October' at the same time. |
| 01:16.30 | Blitx | It was a dual boot. I didn't want Mandrake to touch it but it said it had formatted the drive |
| 01:16.41 | Blitx | I had a different drive setup for it |
| 01:16.56 | cycom | Blitx: and that is why I never like autopartitioning |
| 01:17.05 | cycom | at least not on dualboots. |
| 01:17.24 | bratner | cycom: the captain of that sub is russian |
| 01:17.37 | dud | d-i's guided partition tool havent impressed me much |
| 01:17.40 | Blitx | coincidentally, I've never downloaded or run Mandrake since... |
| 01:17.48 | dud | i feel much more incontrol with the woody installer really |
| 01:18.00 | dud | imo, its cleaner as well |
| 01:18.16 | Ronin | Blitx: sure it wasnt you and not mdk? its pretty easy install |
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| 01:19.05 | bratner | Blitx : was it a hardware raid-5? |
| 01:19.24 | Blitx | yeah, on a 3ware |
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| 01:19.50 | dud | hardware raid-5 of that size is pretty impressive |
| 01:19.53 | dud | can i have it? hehe |
| 01:19.57 | dud | pretty pwease? |
| 01:20.17 | pipeline | Thase damn 3ware cards are so expensive. |
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| 01:20.21 | Blitx | If you can wait about 3-4 months |
| 01:20.47 | cycom | bratner: what? |
| 01:20.51 | Blitx | I'll sell you the controller and 5 120 WD1200JB's for $500 |
| 01:21.01 | cycom | actually, he's lithuanian by birth. |
| 01:21.03 | Blitx | 3ware Escalade 7500-8 |
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| 01:21.17 | dud | i was thinking free as in beer ^_^ |
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| 01:21.32 | Blitx | you wouldn't want it anyway |
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| 01:21.41 | Blitx | write speeds suck despite 3ware's marks |
| 01:21.42 | chealer | dud: it didn't impress me neither |
| 01:21.42 | bratner | cycom: the captain of the "red october" is a russki ! :-) |
| 01:21.44 | Blitx | 8MB/s |
| 01:21.55 | dud | i never say no to free hardware... |
| 01:21.56 | linux_newbie | how do i get the plug in for TSCC for AVI's |
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| 01:22.02 | Ecliptic | was that just for personal use? |
| 01:22.03 | Blitx | you need a Broadcom--they get about 60MB/s write in RAID-5 |
| 01:22.06 | cycom | bratner: a) so what b) he's lithuanian. |
| 01:22.12 | dud | a few pieces here, some there... and you have another pc |
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| 01:23.08 | Grievre | I just switched from a PS/2 to a USB mouse and now KDE and KDM both crash X on login :/ |
| 01:23.20 | pipeline | uh, that's pretty weird behaviour. |
| 01:23.32 | rellik | if I want to write a script to run at startup am I ok putting it in etc/rc2.d ? and I just have to name it "S99setiathome" to make sure it is run last? |
| 01:23.32 | pipeline | waaait a second |
| 01:23.35 | dud | did you update your x config? |
| 01:23.40 | pipeline | Grievre: You mean, X fails to start? |
| 01:23.44 | bratner | bratner: a) he is a traitor to his coutry b) he murders a fellow officer c) I loved the book! |
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| 01:23.50 | pipeline | Grievre: X, by default, will just error out if it can't get a mouse device. |
| 01:23.52 | dud | rellik, the script goes in /etc/init.d |
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| 01:24.11 | dud | and make a symlink to it in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 01:24.27 | Grievre | pipeline: X starts fine, but if a) I log in from KDM b) I use startx with kdeinit |
| 01:24.29 | Grievre | it dies |
| 01:24.33 | dud | starting with SXX for startup, and KXX for stopping |
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| 01:24.47 | rellik | dud, but the symlink name "S99setiathome" is correct? |
| 01:24.51 | Grievre | So far, using startx with gnome-session or fluxbox works |
| 01:24.56 | dud | yeah... should work |
| 01:25.02 | Grievre | booting into any desktop environment from KDM crashes |
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| 01:25.07 | pipeline | Grievre: That's extremely unusual. Clearly something about your KDE session is disgusting. Delete all of your KDE configuration files and use gnome :q: |
| 01:25.07 | Grievre | booting into KDE from anywhere crashes |
| 01:25.10 | rellik | dud, great thanks |
| 01:25.31 | vladster | anyone got a url for a quick and easy way to configure samba |
| 01:25.46 | Grievre | I'm actually considering abandoning kde and just using fluxbox from now on |
| 01:25.58 | linux_newbie | how do i get the plug in for TSCC for AVI's |
| 01:26.03 | maher | Grievre: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and tell it to use theusb mouse |
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| 01:26.21 | maher | Grievre: its almost certainly not crashing - just failing with a no pointer error |
| 01:26.38 | Grievre | maher: but then why would it start up, give me the KDM login screen, and then crash once I start to log in |
| 01:26.42 | Grievre | wouldn't it just not start? |
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| 01:26.47 | pipeline | maher: X is already starting, though. |
| 01:26.59 | pipeline | maher: This is some kind of KDE-specific problem. Solution: Fuck KDE. |
| 01:27.04 | bratner | when xOrg is comming to debian? what the difference anyways? |
| 01:27.05 | maher | Grievre: look in the X errors file |
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| 01:27.14 | directhex | !tell bratner about xorg |
| 01:27.15 | z36ra | howdy folks |
| 01:27.20 | maher | Grievre: look in auth.log as well |
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| 01:28.23 | z36ra | so is there an inside scoop? when do we get a new stable Debian? |
| 01:28.41 | jazzmanss | how do I scp data to a machine that I usually use the -l (user name) option in ssh? |
| 01:28.45 | thomas_adam | z36ra: WIFWR. |
| 01:28.57 | sussudio | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2002-11-26 |
| 01:29.01 | maher | z36ra: soon - when the security infrastructure is fixed |
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| 01:29.05 | deadcat | jazzmanss: scp file user@there.com:/path |
| 01:29.41 | jazzmanss | is that the exact syntax? (obviously fill in the correct options) |
| 01:29.48 | deadcat | jazzmanss: ya |
| 01:30.02 | jazzmanss | thanks deadcat. |
| 01:30.17 | bratner | blal: is it available in sarge? |
| 01:30.17 | z36ra | I'm really liking Deb. Glad I switched to it last year. |
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| 01:30.22 | deadcat | blal: ya. xfcd4.2 on debian for those who wants desktop |
| 01:30.30 | jazzmanss | deadcat, that was so simple! danke. |
| 01:30.45 | deadcat | bratner: deb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
| 01:30.51 | FraudulentPeanut | how do you recompile the kernel? |
| 01:30.53 | Grievre | Are there Xorg or XFree 4.4 packages for debian yet? :( |
| 01:31.04 | deadcat | Grievre: /topic |
| 01:31.19 | blal | bratner : I don't recall. You could always compile from source, I guess. |
| 01:31.26 | blal | bratner : It's in woody. |
| 01:31.33 | deadcat | FraudulentPeanut: apt-get install build-essentials kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 01:32.34 | FraudulentPeanut | could not find package build-essentials |
| 01:32.44 | deadcat | FraudulentPeanut: no s at the end |
| 01:33.40 | bratner | does debian kernel source package differs from kernel.org one? |
| 01:33.46 | z36ra | anyway i noticed a lot of updates for Sarge. That tells me theres a lot of work being done. |
| 01:33.51 | bratner | i mean the code |
| 01:33.52 | maher | bratner: yes - susbstantially |
| 01:33.52 | deadcat | bratner: not much. just some debian patches i think |
| 01:34.11 | bratner | maher, deadcat: ??? |
| 01:34.16 | Grievre | What about XFree 4.4? |
| 01:34.38 | resiak | !tell Grievre -aboutxfree86 4.4 |
| 01:34.41 | resiak | Uh. |
| 01:34.43 | resiak | !tell Grievre -about xfree86 4.4 |
| 01:34.45 | jvives | hey all!!! I have an easy question for you guys: I just added a script to /etc/init.d/ named mysql, now I need to start it at the boot, but I don't know how... I went to www.mysql.com (the server I wanna start is the mysqld) and it says I had to run a command named "chkconfig" but I don't have that command... what should I do? |
| 01:34.48 | bratner | deadcat: what do these 'debian' patches usually patch? |
| 01:34.57 | maher | bratner: diff the debian source and the kernel.org source and choose your own adjective |
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| 01:35.12 | vulture | jvives: why didn't you just install a debian mysql package? |
| 01:35.30 | vulture | jvives: if you insist on doing things the hard way, read the update-rc.d man page |
| 01:35.38 | jvives | vulture didn't worked, dunno why |
| 01:35.38 | deadcat | jvives: debian starts up at run level 2. so you might want to cd /etc/rc2.d && ln -s ../init.d/named S19named |
| 01:35.43 | bratner | maher: i read "understanding the linux kernel" twise and still don't understand a thing in it. |
| 01:35.59 | Grievre | resiak: I know it won't be in debian, I was asking if there were unofficial packages |
| 01:35.59 | resiak | bratner: Once more for luck? :) |
| 01:36.01 | deadcat | vulture: he probably wants latest and greatest |
| 01:36.07 | maher | bratner: i don't understand anything about kernel internals either |
| 01:36.10 | deadcat | bratner: no clue (= |
| 01:36.10 | resiak | Grievre: Why would you want them over Xorg? |
| 01:36.11 | bratner | resiak : it helps me sleep :-) |
| 01:36.32 | bratner | resiak : especially the memory management part :-) |
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| 01:36.37 | Grievre | resiak: I just want working packages of either one |
| 01:36.52 | resiak | Grievre: Allegedly the Ubuntu X.org packages work. Why, though? |
| 01:36.52 | Grievre | resiak: and the "get xorg" link is a source install |
| 01:36.59 | resiak | bratner: Hah. |
| 01:37.03 | jvives | deadcat what does "S19" stand for? |
| 01:37.17 | deadcat | jvives: what the hell is chkconfig for then? |
| 01:37.20 | resiak | jvives: Have you read man update-rc.d ? |
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| 01:37.35 | Grievre | resiak: so I can get the CVS version of mesa working, and then be able to apt-get dist-upgrade without having to redo the whole damn thing |
| 01:37.35 | maher | jvives: S = start, the number is for the scripts being run in numerical order |
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| 01:38.04 | resiak | Grievre: Go get Ubuntu's X.org packages. |
| 01:38.06 | Grievre | ok |
| 01:38.08 | resiak | Grievre: But then YOYO. |
| 01:38.15 | deadcat | Grievre: DONT. it will fuck you up good. )= |
| 01:38.17 | Blitx | Yo mamma |
| 01:38.36 | resiak | deadcat: Hey, [s]he asked for them. |
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| 01:38.42 | deadcat | resiak: (= |
| 01:38.46 | vulture | jvives: just use update-rc.d |
| 01:38.48 | deadcat | Blitx: wrong channel. |
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| 01:39.00 | jvives | vulture thx |
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| 01:39.14 | Grievre | deadcat: What? |
| 01:39.16 | resiak | deadcat: Has peterS instigated legal action against you for the hijacking of his backwards smilies? |
| 01:39.19 | AngelGabriel | Evening everyone |
| 01:39.26 | pipeline | bratner: Read the NetBSD source. It's relatively simple for an industrial-grade UNIX-like. |
| 01:39.38 | peterS | resiak: I think I've threatened to |
| 01:39.44 | deadcat | resiak: mother fucker i started taht long ago. (=... and i use = |
| 01:40.02 | resiak | deadcat: Mother fucker okay. |
| 01:40.06 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:40.22 | deadcat | peterS: you left handed? |
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| 01:40.37 | bratner | pipeline: you kidding right? |
| 01:40.40 | peterS | deadcat: "I know something you don't know." "what's that?" "I am not left-handed" |
| 01:40.50 | deadcat | me either. |
| 01:41.02 | resiak | !southpawsmite foo |
| 01:41.04 | resiak | Aww. |
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| 01:41.27 | zignig | (: |
| 01:41.31 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:41.34 | AngelGabriel | what's the best way to go about developing a server that allows clients to network boot, but have a choice as to what to boot? |
| 01:41.40 | resiak | I'm up-handed. |
| 01:41.42 | resiak | ^__^ |
| 01:41.54 | deadcat | i dont get why would people think you're left landed when you make the smily face (= or (: |
| 01:42.03 | zignig | AngelGabriel: install tftpd-hpa and dhcpd and bind the boot to mac addresses. |
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| 01:42.41 | bratner | deadcat: i'm from a right-to-left country and i write my smilies properly |
| 01:42.47 | Grievre | deadcat: what do you mean it would "Fuck you up good"? |
| 01:42.48 | Blitx | Yo mamma |
| 01:43.04 | sussudio | Blitx: SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 01:43.09 | deadcat | Grievre: try and you'll see: http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/01/ubuntus-xorg-on-debian-sid.html |
| 01:43.09 | bratner | Grievre: litteraly |
| 01:43.28 | deadcat | Blitx: ya. shut the fuck up or join #mama-jokes |
| 01:43.28 | Grievre | ... |
| 01:43.32 | Grievre | deadcat: no, tell me |
| 01:43.35 | sussudio | deadcat: /lastlog mamma |
| 01:43.42 | Grievre | deadcat: none of this "Try and you'll see" |
| 01:43.51 | AngelGabriel | zignig - I have about 200 client machines - i can't be going through all the mac addresses. Besides, I have multiple boot images - i want the client to be able to choose at boot time what image to run |
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| 01:44.01 | deadcat | sussudio: i know. that fucker is doing that dumb shit. |
| 01:44.20 | ElectricElf | Blitx: (Do let it go, if you don't mind. :) |
| 01:44.21 | sussudio | deadcat: it's some kind of fucking timed retard script |
| 01:44.44 | deadcat | sussudio: oh god... fucker must be running mirc (= |
| 01:44.50 | sussudio | deadcat: worse |
| 01:45.22 | sbk | AngelGabriel: haven't done this myself, but I believe you might be able to pxeboot the grub loader, and have it display a menu on the console for further net-loading of various kernels |
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| 01:45.34 | thingfish | I hope deadcat isn't the former greycat. |
| 01:45.46 | Azar | hi honorables |
| 01:45.53 | sbk | AngelGabriel: [assuming that you have some person sitting at a client console who's doing the selcting] |
| 01:45.53 | thingfish | that would be sad. I had a kitty die this week, too. |
| 01:46.00 | mrwill | AngelGabriel: the selection sounds like something your bootloader would have to do, but if you are netbooting, you'd have to netboot the bootloader. |
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| 01:46.33 | AngelGabriel | sbk - Of course i remember, grub can net boot. With careful planning of it's configuration file, I should be able to do this |
| 01:46.35 | Azar | I am trying to upgrade the kernel and I get error at "make menuconfig" how do I install ncurses-devel ? |
| 01:46.38 | bucky | thingfish, oh no.. deadcat's the potty mouth one |
| 01:47.03 | thingfish | bucky heh is that true? |
| 01:47.05 | bratner | Azar: apt-get install libncurses-dev ? |
| 01:47.07 | mrwill | Azar: apt-get install it? |
| 01:47.11 | deadcat | thingfish: ya. i totally agree with bucky on this |
| 01:47.13 | Blitx | net install can't seem to connect to anywhere |
| 01:47.21 | deadcat | libncurses5-dev |
| 01:47.28 | soften | Blitx, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:47.31 | thingfish | ok, phew |
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| 01:47.37 | AngelGabriel | mrwill - are there any bootloaders that can boot from a network share? |
| 01:47.38 | deadcat | Blitx: and turn your fucking mama shit off |
| 01:47.43 | mrwill | Blitx: you can get a shell to investigate with alt-f2 |
| 01:47.54 | sbk | AngelGabriel: great. think there are a few resources on this that you'll no doubt find via google. I vaguely recall that any issues with grub per-se are related to its limited network card support, but there maybe other bootloaders that might work better |
| 01:48.07 | Blitx | deadcat, you can GFY |
| 01:48.10 | mrwill | AngelGabriel: heck if I know, I wish I had a less 'conceptual' solution. |
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| 01:48.16 | bratner | Azar: as deadcat said - apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 01:48.17 | deadcat | !gfy |
| 01:48.17 | dpkg | [gfy] http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ |
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| 01:48.29 | dondelelcaro | Blitx: seriously, turn whatever script that is off. If I see it again, I'll turn it off for you. |
| 01:48.34 | thingfish | such language. or, rather, such acronyms. |
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| 01:48.40 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: What are you doing that you need to boot from a network share? Is there some reason you can't use PXE + syslinux? |
| 01:48.44 | swatikiss | my 3d accell works fine - but when my computer has been up for a few days it becomes choppy! - what could be causing this ? upon reboot it is smooth |
| 01:48.49 | Azar | hmm package ncurses has no installation candidate? |
| 01:49.06 | Blitx | fine |
| 01:49.07 | Azar | apt-get cannot find it |
| 01:49.09 | dondelelcaro | Azar: you want ncurses5 |
| 01:49.10 | caphuso | Azar: libncurses5-dev |
| 01:49.15 | mrwill | Azar: apt-cache search ncurses? |
| 01:49.16 | vulture | Azar: apt-cache search |
| 01:49.17 | vulture | yeesh. |
| 01:49.19 | deadcat | Blitx: feel free to leave |
| 01:49.20 | vulture | some people |
| 01:49.21 | Blitx | it just says yo momma when somebody says "fuck ypu" |
| 01:49.26 | Azar | thank you guys, trying again |
| 01:49.44 | dondelelcaro | Blitx: that's great, but it's annoying on this channel. |
| 01:49.49 | mrwill | Azar: command I gave you should help you find the package. |
| 01:49.52 | zignig | AngelGabriel: the only way to tell between machines is mac-address |
| 01:49.58 | deadcat | Blitx: you must be a programmer or something. |
| 01:50.09 | deadcat | i bet you can make millions on it |
| 01:50.16 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 01:50.23 | Blitx | actually, I am a programmer |
| 01:50.25 | Guerin | ban the whole fucking lot of them who are whining about it |
| 01:50.38 | deadcat | Guerin: has to be "fucking you" else it wont work. |
| 01:50.49 | AngelGabriel | pipeline - I run a mixed environment, and sometimes, I have to restore machines, change the OS on a particular machine, setup a testbed webserver, all mannor of things. I'd like to get my machines to netboot - *most have the boot via network function* and be presented with a menu that has a selection of boot images I can choose from either debian install disks, or DOS boot disks, or rescue images etc |
| 01:51.07 | Blitx | when's the last time you wrote your own IRC client from scratch--from the TCP/IP code to the GUI? |
| 01:51.25 | soften | i guess that was the last time I got into a pissing contest over whether or not I was an idiot. |
| 01:51.28 | AngelGabriel | zignig - It's counter productive in my situation, because I won't know what I need to do with a particular machine until I get to it. And all my machines have multiple uses |
| 01:51.32 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: Boot via network is going to be, 99.9% of the time, either bullshit Novell crap or standard PXE. |
| 01:51.35 | dondelelcaro | Blitx: that's great, it's still way OT for #debian. |
| 01:51.36 | bucky | Blitx, in visual basic? |
| 01:51.48 | AngelGabriel | pipleine - I think I'm gonna go for PXE! |
| 01:52.11 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: Well, you won't have a choice. It'll either be there or not. Anything with a brand-name network card will have standard PXE. |
| 01:52.23 | Blitx | I'm on pirch atm, I'll brb on my client |
| 01:52.26 | bratner | AngelGabriel: network boot is pretty limited |
| 01:52.35 | sussudio | Guerin: he's running the second lamest windows irc client. |
| 01:52.35 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: All you need is a DHCP server with PXE extensions (all of them) and a PXE-compatible TFTP daemon. |
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| 01:52.48 | pipeline | bratner: You clearly do not know what you're talking about. |
| 01:52.49 | Guerin | sussudio: so I see. |
| 01:52.56 | deadcat | hes gonna come back and show off his irc prog? oh crap |
| 01:53.02 | sussudio | Guerin: the first, ofcourse, being MS Comic Chat. |
| 01:53.23 | bratner | pipeline: net boot is not limited then ? |
| 01:53.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:53.36 | sussudio | Guerin: the #APPEARS AS ANNA-thing |
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| 01:53.38 | zignig | AngelGabriel: have a default boot that collects information ( mac/hardware ) and posts it to the main machine. |
| 01:53.48 | AngelGabriel | pipeline - I'm pretty sure that I can get a bootloader, that can enovoke another bootloader, just like them rescue CD's that have lots of DOS disks on them |
| 01:53.49 | dondelelcaro | I should have known that someone who was running a stupid script would be running a windows box with a lametroid client |
| 01:53.55 | Guerin | sussudio: i'm mercifully ignorant of it |
| 01:53.57 | zignig | AngelGabriel: you can then match up dunction and mac address. |
| 01:53.58 | deadcat | zignig: you're not using linux on your ibook no? |
| 01:53.59 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: The problem, of course, is the bootloader. DOS, for example, does not at all like to boot over NFS. You would have to use Syslinux's crazy floppy-emulation-over-a-network thing, which will let you get a ramdisk together in memory. |
| 01:54.17 | AngelGabriel | pipeline - THAT'S IT! |
| 01:54.18 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: The net version of grub is a bitch. Syslinux is probably your best bet :| |
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| 01:54.34 | pipeline | bratner: Not on reasonable systems |
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| 01:54.50 | pipeline | bratner: Any 3com card from the last ten years has a PXE boot ROM on it. |
| 01:55.09 | Azar | thanks a lot guys :) I am soooo happy |
| 01:55.09 | zignig | deadcat: no , OSX |
| 01:55.10 | pipeline | bratner: PXE still isn't as nice as booting a Sun or SGI over ethernet, but it's a far sight easier than fucking with floppies. |
| 01:55.13 | mrwill | pipeline: but isn't bios support required to make use of this feature? |
| 01:55.30 | zignig | deadcat: all my other machines are debian on i386 |
| 01:55.31 | AngelGabriel | pipeline - syslinux floppy emulation - That's the one. Hmm... i think google is about to get so many hits from me, they'll think a DDOS attack is occuring! |
| 01:55.33 | pipeline | mrwill: The BIOS has to support booting off-board devices. |
| 01:55.37 | deadcat | zignig: i am trying to patch the 2.6.10 kernel with bootsplash and its failing on 1 file |
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| 01:55.51 | deadcat | resiak: hehe |
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| 01:56.20 | zignig | AngelGabriel: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s06.html |
| 01:56.23 | daft | what was the name of the program what allowed to see images in console with fb |
| 01:56.42 | sussudio | !tell daft about search |
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| 01:56.51 | deadcat | daft: fbi |
| 01:56.56 | deadcat | i use fbi |
| 01:56.56 | bratner | pipeline : if i undertand it correctly all it does is download an image with tftp and run it . then NFS . and then whatever you want.... |
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| 01:57.09 | AngelGabriel | zignig - Not all my systems run linux, or even debian for that matter - But thanks for the link - i'll use it in my research |
| 01:57.17 | zignig | AngelGabriel: :) |
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| 01:57.30 | pipeline | bratner: that's pretty much what a bootloader does, in general. |
| 01:57.31 | daft | !tell sussudio about why the hell he uses the bot on peeps who come here dayly |
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| 01:57.53 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: The syslinux documentation kind of sucks; it's permanently out of date. I'm pretty sure the isolinux-style floppy emulation works with pxelinux now. |
| 01:57.56 | deadcat | !peeps |
| 01:57.56 | dpkg | peeps is probably a marshmallow chick product by Just Born, http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com There have been no confirmed sightings of these marshmallows on IRC, so anyone asking for them is being optimistic at best. stick them in the microwave for 30 seconds for a yummy treat. The Unofficial Peeps FAQ is available at (http://www.geekbabe.com/peeps/peepfaq.html) |
| 01:58.01 | sussudio | daft: if you come here daily, you know how to find that. |
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| 01:59.04 | daft | it wasnt showed with apt-cache search fb image |
| 01:59.08 | daft | or I missed it 3 times |
| 01:59.09 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: bob2 introduced me to powernowd and now my ibook is at 400mhz and 800mhz speed. that might save some juice (= |
| 01:59.22 | Blitx | sup |
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| 02:00.06 | deadcat | daft: fbi - Linux frame buffer image viewer |
| 02:00.07 | bratner | pipeline: is it possible to set up a livecd like knoppix to run over PXE? |
| 02:00.14 | AngelGabriel | pipeline - I'm just notice that the documentation is outta date - I'm going in search of a suitable mailing list |
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| 02:00.25 | TheGreatMozilla_ | is there a public log for this chat by any chance? |
| 02:00.42 | bratner | pipeline: are there any docs around for that? |
| 02:00.59 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla_: yeah, plenty of them |
| 02:01.00 | B0ll0ck5 | which version of debian should I download for a postgres server |
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| 02:01.11 | quentusrex | hey |
| 02:01.15 | maher | B0ll0ck5: they all have - oh testicular one |
| 02:01.21 | Guerin | B0ll0ck5: production, internet-facing? |
| 02:01.30 | B0ll0ck5 | production. Firewalled |
| 02:01.44 | B0ll0ck5 | only task is to run postgres, ssh and the filesystem |
| 02:01.45 | Blitx | Well here I am. DNIRC. The netinstall still doesn't seem to be resolving. |
| 02:01.50 | maher | B0ll0ck5: use stable |
| 02:01.51 | bratner | how do i delete the config files of all not-installed packages? |
| 02:01.55 | TheGreatMozilla_ | Guerin any that would have my messages from earlier today available already, and can you give a uri? |
| 02:02.18 | deadcat | bratner: rm |
| 02:02.33 | pipeline | bratner: Sure. And no, there aren't any docs. It's kind of assumed that you know what you're doing. |
| 02:02.33 | deadcat | bratner: next time use --purge |
| 02:02.39 | Guerin | B0ll0ck5: yeah, woody is probably the best bet. If it's internal-only you might get away with sarge, but it depends how competent an admin you are and how fast you can fix breakage. |
| 02:02.50 | B0ll0ck5 | not very ;-) |
| 02:02.54 | pipeline | bratner: I only have one computer with a disc drive. The others boot over the network when I need to install the operating system |
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| 02:03.10 | deadcat | zignig: ubuntu just came out with a live cd for ppc (= |
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| 02:03.21 | pipeline | AngelGabriel: If you actually download it, it comes with a decent man page or readme file or something. |
| 02:03.28 | Blitx | I don't have a version tag--sorry |
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| 02:05.31 | TheGreatMozilla_ | i ask again: can anybody give me a uri for a public log of #debian? |
| 02:05.44 | deadcat | TheGreatMozilla_: none |
| 02:06.33 | caphuso | # du -sh |
| 02:06.34 | caphuso | 48M |
| 02:06.36 | TheGreatMozilla_ | thats what i was afrid of... does anybody have a private log that is willing to look up my previous messages? |
| 02:06.47 | deadcat | TheGreatMozilla_: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0307.html |
| 02:06.50 | sussudio | 242M for me. |
| 02:06.59 | caphuso | that's from a 1.2MiB source tree |
| 02:07.11 | sussudio | caphuso: that's my gzipped #debian logs |
| 02:07.13 | caphuso | gotta love qt |
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| 02:07.26 | bratner | how do i get a list of currently installed packages? |
| 02:07.52 | bratner | dpkg-query -L apt |
| 02:07.53 | caphuso | sussudio: your penis is 13MiB larger than my |
| 02:07.53 | deadcat | bratner: dpkg -l |
| 02:08.02 | Azar | I am so happy I finally did one full installation by myself! and now going unstable! |
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| 02:08.23 | caphuso | s/$/ one/ |
| 02:08.24 | deadcat | Azar: make it happen |
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| 02:08.36 | Azar | it really make me happy, deadcat |
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| 02:09.05 | sussudio | ok someone ban linux2 |
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| 02:09.25 | Blitx | I only need the first of the 15 debian discs for an install, right? |
| 02:09.40 | Azar | only one, the first, Blitx |
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| 02:09.52 | deadcat | sussudio: i aint goin. i cant remember all the numbers. if he gives a named site i MIGHT |
| 02:09.52 | Lo_Meinix | Hey |
| 02:09.55 | deadcat | Azar: shhhhh |
| 02:10.13 | sussudio | deadcat: he's a known troll. it's probably a goatse mirror. |
| 02:10.26 | Azar | oh installation, yes, 15. |
| 02:10.28 | zignig | deadcat: I have the install cd but not hte live. |
| 02:10.32 | deadcat | sussudio: oh. never seen him here before. |
| 02:10.40 | deadcat | Azar: (= |
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| 02:10.52 | quentusrex | hey, |
| 02:10.54 | Azar | how come I only got 7? |
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| 02:11.00 | Lo_Meinix | So I installed ALSA-base, alsa-utils, alsa-source.....but does it work no |
| 02:11.02 | deadcat | zignig: i think it just came out not too long ago. i am getting it now. |
| 02:11.03 | quentusrex | I have a problem that has plagued me for a long time. |
| 02:11.08 | sigp239 | I need a tell on nvidia driver installation |
| 02:11.16 | Lo_Meinix | alsa-source is just an empty dir on my system |
| 02:11.22 | quentusrex | how do you get multiple programs to be able to use the sound at the same time? |
| 02:11.28 | Duke | Please, i need help quick, I accidentally gziped everything in my apache directory, , all the files are index.php.gz, how would i reverse this? |
| 02:11.33 | Lo_Meinix | and of course thats the file for the drivers, right? |
| 02:11.34 | deadcat | quentusrex: esd, artd |
| 02:11.43 | mrwill | quentusrex: or alsa |
| 02:11.48 | Azar | Duke, gunzip? |
| 02:12.09 | quentusrex | ...? how so? |
| 02:12.09 | bucky | Lo_Meinix, did you un zip it from /usr/src ? |
| 02:12.15 | quentusrex | i'm new to debian linux... |
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| 02:12.25 | TheGreatMozilla_ | duke, would be wise to kill apachee temporarally while you fix things |
| 02:12.31 | mrwill | quentusrex: oh ok, that means you don't have to think. |
| 02:12.35 | Blitx | quentsrex you aren't alone |
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| 02:12.44 | deadcat | mrwill: didnt we just tell him what to get? |
| 02:12.48 | pmcdonnell | Does Linux support booting from a software RAID 5? |
| 02:12.49 | Duke | whew, lol thanks azar |
| 02:12.49 | zignig | deadcat: :) cool let me know how it goes |
| 02:12.57 | sigp239 | need help with nvidia driver installation please |
| 02:12.57 | zignig | s/:)/(: |
| 02:13.07 | deadcat | zignig: (=. i guess i am the test dummy then. |
| 02:13.11 | mrwill | deadcat: looked that way to me. |
| 02:13.16 | TheGreatMozilla_ | ls |
| 02:13.20 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: no, when I apt-get install alsa-source I searched for alsa-source.....now I've looked in /usr/src and theres a bz alsa-driver.....yeah that makes since. |
| 02:13.20 | TheGreatMozilla_ | whoops, sorry |
| 02:13.21 | sigp239 | just need the /msg dpkg thing for nvidia |
| 02:13.24 | MobyTurbo | sigp239: #nvidia |
| 02:13.41 | Duke | TheGreatMozilla_: yeah, thats the main reason you keep your db passwords away from files on the web |
| 02:13.48 | pmcdonnell | !tell sigp239 about nvidia |
| 02:13.53 | zignig | deadcat: do you have those quarter circle stickers all over you body ? |
| 02:14.01 | deadcat | zignig: 15min till the download is done. |
| 02:14.07 | sigp239 | MobyTurbo: hm no there is a /msg dpkg that works |
| 02:14.14 | Azar | nvidia site has a great README that downloads with the latest driver |
| 02:14.14 | deadcat | zignig: what you mean quarter circle stickers? |
| 02:14.21 | Azar | great support for Debian |
| 02:14.40 | TheGreatMozilla_ | deadcat: from the crash test dummies |
| 02:14.47 | deadcat | ohhhhhhhhhhhh (= |
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| 02:14.51 | deadcat | hehehe |
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| 02:15.19 | caphuso | caphuso's short list of books anyone with some interest in cryptography should not read: 1) digital fortress |
| 02:15.31 | sigp239 | there was a one line command to setup nvidia driver with apt-get |
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| 02:15.45 | pmcdonnell | caphuso, no kidding - that was the biggest bunch of BS I've ever read |
| 02:16.09 | pmcdonnell | caphuso, I enjoyed the scene about the "hackers" "eating" the "firewall" |
| 02:16.09 | zignig | deadcat: crash test dummy style |
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| 02:16.20 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: so, I take it I know how to compile the drivers.....ok,next question, where do I get the source for this default 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel? |
| 02:16.26 | caphuso | pmcdonnell: oh, yeah, with it becoming thinner and thinner... |
| 02:16.35 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: or am I going to have to compile a kernel just to get alsa working. |
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| 02:16.37 | Lo_Meinix | ? |
| 02:16.55 | deadcat | zignig: one of these days i am gonna get me an airport card.. even if i have to kill to do so. |
| 02:16.58 | pmcdonnell | caphuso, yeah - if the NSA actually uses FTP and X11 to make "Secret Stuff" available to people who need it, I'm moving to Canada |
| 02:17.14 | caphuso | pmcdonnell: haha |
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| 02:17.22 | zignig | deadcat: I have one already. |
| 02:17.31 | deadcat | zignig: you gonna have to die |
| 02:17.56 | sigp239 | apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 02:18.00 | sigp239 | module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 02:18.06 | TheGreatMozilla_ | yeah digital fortress what a laugh... and that computer is so fake. |
| 02:18.12 | Lo_Meinix | ok I guess bucky went to play with his balls *sigh* |
| 02:18.13 | bucky | Lo_Meinix, you're going to want to upgrade that kernel.. i suggest apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 02:18.36 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: I knew it, just needed someone to confirm my fears..... |
| 02:18.47 | Lo_Meinix | that really sucks |
| 02:18.49 | bucky | Lo_Meinix, you could always go to debian.org/doc/ and learn how to use the distro |
| 02:18.52 | TheGreatMozilla_ | How would it simulatiously test every possible public key algo at the same time, as brute forcing all public key mecs would require |
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| 02:19.08 | bucky | Lo_Meinix, why.. are you on dial up? |
| 02:19.27 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: read.......docs.....learn........we fear these words! |
| 02:19.32 | Lo_Meinix | ;) |
| 02:19.42 | deadcat | my school has open wireless. i just click LOGIN, dont have to login but just click LOGIN |
| 02:20.58 | pmcdonnell | Anyone know if Linux can boot off of software RAID 5? GRUB can do that, no? Or would I be better off booting off a hdd not on the raid? |
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| 02:21.06 | vulture | deadcat: click where exactly? |
| 02:21.26 | deadcat | vulture: click LOGIN |
| 02:21.30 | Blitx | Any idea why I might not be able to fetch packages? The DHCP broadcast took and we've got a server for that sorta stuff. |
| 02:21.40 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: oh I know how to do some things....it's just a pain in the ass that it doesn't work "out of the box" and requires extraordinary efforts to get certain things working... |
| 02:21.57 | vulture | deadcat: you said that - but where are you clicking? on a webpage? how did you connect to the web server if you weren't already on the wireless network, etc.. |
| 02:22.33 | toresbe | Night |
| 02:22.40 | deadcat | vulture: oh. you have to be in/around the library and just go google or what ever and it will redirect to the LOGIN page |
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| 02:23.07 | TheGreatMozilla_ | vulture yes a lot of such systems redirect the first http request to a special page of some sort. |
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| 02:23.49 | TheGreatMozilla | I have a debian system under VMware. For space reasons I would like to set up the debian system to use an X server on my main os (Windows XP with Cygwin/X). My debian system is text based so no X related stuff should load on boot. Like I said space is highly limited so i must install as few x packages as required. Needless to say the package dependencies are not set up for this config. Any suggestions? |
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| 02:24.17 | vulture | deadcat: fun, if a little pointless :) |
| 02:24.44 | deadcat | vulture: they ahve the legal notice and stuff on the page. |
| 02:25.05 | sussudio | wow. you have windows XP installed and you're complaing about wasting space? |
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| 02:25.54 | TheGreatMozilla | sussudio i know, but space is limited in a 1.5 gig disk image, and that is all i can spare with xp on the sys |
| 02:26.00 | mrwill | pmcdonnell: I'm pretty sure linux can boot off raid. |
| 02:26.03 | TheGreatMozilla | LOL |
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| 02:26.06 | vulture | deadcat: "if you aren't authorized, be nice and don't use this network" |
| 02:26.34 | Newport | hi i accidently killed my initrd.img.. how do i rebuild it? |
| 02:26.48 | mrwill | Newport: hi, that question doesn't make much sense. |
| 02:26.54 | deadcat | vulture: actually everyone is authorized. just dont sniff or do illegal shits. (= its so tempting to sniff though (= |
| 02:27.11 | deadcat | Newport: kill as in rm? |
| 02:27.12 | Lo_Meinix | deadcat: whats wrong with sniffing? |
| 02:27.27 | Newport | mrwill, sure it does... i did this.. "mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8.1 2.6.8.1" it gave an error and now it is 0 blocks |
| 02:27.28 | deadcat | Lo_Meinix: nothing. i just dont want to get in trouble at the new school hehe |
| 02:28.17 | deadcat | my old school didnt even have wireless on campus. just from a netowrking class. so lame. |
| 02:28.17 | mrwill | Newport: yes, now that you are providing some context, it makes much more sense. |
| 02:28.25 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla: just install xbase-clients |
| 02:28.27 | Newport | i was recompiling the kernel.. following a howto and i guess i blew it there! good news is it all built, and i insllaed the newkern.deb |
| 02:28.36 | Lo_Meinix | deadcat: trouble? Thats BS..... |
| 02:28.58 | mrwill | Newport: huh, you can automatically make an initrd with make-kpkg, didn't you tell it to do that? |
| 02:29.03 | Blitx | Does Sarge auto-mount drives to the desktop? |
| 02:29.03 | Newport | i rebuilt with "fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" |
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| 02:29.20 | TheGreatMozilla | Gurien: nothing eles except the x based apps i want? what about the font server, so i install that or will it use my cygwin one? |
| 02:29.27 | Newport | am i missing something with that command line? |
| 02:29.28 | deadcat | Newport: in .config why not just set initrd to y or something? |
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| 02:30.03 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla: yeah, actually, the worst thing will be all the gui libs |
| 02:30.16 | mrwill | Blitx: desktop? there doesn't have to be a desktop, you know. so the answer is probably, 'not unless you tell it to' |
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| 02:30.26 | Newport | deadcat, i have "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y" |
| 02:30.27 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla: but 1.5G is not a 'very limited' install space. |
| 02:31.03 | overclocker | anyone has problems with tomcat after the last version update? |
| 02:31.03 | samuel | hello all |
| 02:31.11 | Newport | how do i recompile the kernel so it builds a new initrd? |
| 02:31.14 | mrwill | Newport: read the make-kpkg man page, it will tell you the option to use an initrd image, iirc. |
| 02:31.15 | TheGreatMozilla | Guerin: it is when i have a development system with nearly 1 gig worth of development apps. |
| 02:31.22 | deadcat | Newport: oh. interesting |
| 02:31.31 | mrwill | samuel: greetings. |
| 02:31.34 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla: here's a tenner, go buy yourself a 20G hard drive. |
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| 02:31.54 | Newport | deadcat, what command should i use to rebuild? |
| 02:32.01 | samuel | ive given in!!! to the evil empire!!! i got an xbox today |
| 02:32.02 | TheGreatMozilla | This image bust be easilly moveable so i won't make it 20 gigs. |
| 02:32.02 | deadcat | zignig: i am burning the live cd now |
| 02:32.08 | mrwill | samuel: we don't care. |
| 02:32.17 | samuel | shame on me |
| 02:32.17 | looksaus | what is the best place to put iptables rules to be loaded at startup on a Debian sarge box? |
| 02:32.20 | Newport | i dont want to reboot until i know it will boot heheh or im dead in the water |
| 02:32.21 | overclocker | anyone has opencms working with tomcat5? |
| 02:32.23 | sbk | there are 20G drives for $10? *googles* I've been looking for inexpensive new 10G drives |
| 02:32.25 | deadcat | Newport: this is what i do: time make-kpkg --append-to-version +${HOSTNAME}+${DATE}${OPTION} kernel_image modules_image kernel_headers | tee /usr/src/kernel-build.log.${HOSTNAME}+${DATE}${OPTION}; |
| 02:32.26 | samuel | mrwill, oh well... |
| 02:32.44 | Guerin | sbk: I didn't say 'new' |
| 02:32.51 | dondelelcaro | looksaus: stick it somewhere in /etc/network/ and load it in the up hook for the appropriate interface. |
| 02:33.08 | looksaus | ah, nice idea |
| 02:33.10 | TheGreatMozilla | but i need only xbase-clients? remember i wont be running any apps (at all) on the X server locally, only those from the debian box |
| 02:33.11 | Newport | deadcat, will that give me a new initrd? |
| 02:33.12 | looksaus | thx, dondelelcaro |
| 02:33.16 | samuel | i just upgraded my system and it seems that dovecot does not work any longer, ive enabled in the config imap and imaps and SSL but still nothing? telneting to 143 just gets "connection refused", any ideas? |
| 02:33.17 | Guerin | but the point is that storage is so ridiculously cheap, there's no excuse not to have lots of it, unless your day job is mcdonalds |
| 02:33.28 | looksaus | my boss is going to be blown away |
| 02:33.37 | deadcat | Newport: i dont know. all my kernels dont ahve initrd as a seperate file. its built-in i guess. |
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| 02:33.44 | dondelelcaro | looksaus: you can also have it be an init.d script if you wish... there's an example in /usr/share/doc/iftables/examples, iirc. |
| 02:33.46 | looksaus | by the fact that I cobbled him together an internet filter for our school |
| 02:33.50 | looksaus | based upon debian |
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| 02:34.15 | deadcat | looksaus: blocks porn sites? |
| 02:34.19 | Lo_Meinix | bucky: if alsa-drivers required kernel source that has been compiled to produce a kernel for the system then is the kernel-image what I want....I mean...it is pre-compiled is it not? |
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| 02:34.44 | TheGreatMozilla | Guerin: i have an empty 80 gig HD in thispc but because this file must me easilly moveable i intend to limit the filesize. I will use the bug hd for a real debian box. |
| 02:34.45 | looksaus | deadcat, yes, but not for the admins ;) |
| 02:34.51 | TheGreatMozilla | s/bug/big/ |
| 02:34.52 | deadcat | looksaus: amen to that (= |
| 02:35.06 | TheGreatMozilla | s/me/be/ |
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| 02:35.29 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla: this is a halfarsed setup. |
| 02:35.58 | Newport | deadcat, i tryed that and got this... plz check it out... http://www.pastebin.com/234419 |
| 02:36.00 | drac | Hmm, where can I set new PATH so it will be systemwide for all users? |
| 02:36.26 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 02:36.26 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 02:36.51 | drac | Don't say that :-/ |
| 02:36.55 | deadcat | Newport: when ever you make a new kernel on the tree. backup your .config and do make mrproper |
| 02:37.44 | deadcat | Newport: also before the make-kpkg command. do make dep but i dont think thats nessesary on 2.6 |
| 02:37.54 | deadcat | how do i boot from the cd on an ibook? |
| 02:37.59 | deadcat | i rarely use the cdrom at all |
| 02:38.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: hit C at boot |
| 02:38.13 | TheGreatMozilla | Guerin: I know, so all i have to do now is set the environment vars? |
| 02:38.13 | deadcat | k |
| 02:38.22 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: you can also do it in OF, but I've never really bothered |
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| 02:38.37 | bratner | i'ev managed to make a file that has an 'uninstalled' package name on each line - what's the best way to feed it to 'dpkg --purge' ? |
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| 02:38.53 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i am testing the ubuntu live cd for ppc |
| 02:39.03 | Newport | deadcat, i did that and get this.. http://www.pastebin.com/234420 |
| 02:39.12 | Newport | im dead if this system doesnt boot |
| 02:39.13 | Newport | hehe |
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| 02:39.27 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: only time i did that was for the debian install via branden's method |
| 02:39.52 | bbhill | !aolify guerin |
| 02:39.53 | mrwill | deadcat: if you are really curious, search for docs on open firmware, that will tell you everything you never wanted to know about booting macs in funny ways. |
| 02:39.53 | Baracuda | sorry, i-m new with Linux, I need to know my computer's Physical Address, and I don't know how... Is there anyone who can help me? |
| 02:40.14 | mrwill | Baracuda: that would be your mac address, and you can find it with 'ifconfig' |
| 02:40.22 | deadcat | Newport: you're confusing me |
| 02:40.37 | deadcat | mrwill: no thanks. (= |
| 02:40.37 | Guerin | TheGreatMozilla: yeah. /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 02:41.01 | Guerin | Baracuda: go outside and look at the letterbox. |
| 02:41.10 | Newport | deadcat, eh? why? i just want to rebuild everything and instal and be sure it boots... help? :) |
| 02:41.32 | deadcat | Newport: i do that command and i dont ahve problem with it. |
| 02:42.20 | Newport | ok then ill remove the source and reinstall it maybe that will fix it |
| 02:42.34 | deadcat | Newport: try ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-blah /usr/src/linux && cd /usr/src/linux && the make-kpkg command stuff |
| 02:42.45 | Newport | deadcat, what command to you use after the build is complete? just dkpg -i kernelimage.deb? then reboot? |
| 02:42.59 | deadcat | Newport: ya. then update-grub or something then reboot |
| 02:43.09 | deadcat | Newport: this way you can select the kernel to use. |
| 02:43.24 | deadcat | Newport: but if you are on a remote machine. then i dont know (= |
| 02:43.58 | bbhill | aol irc msn http |
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| 02:44.16 | Newport | deadcat, nah im on local machine... how do i list out all the install kernels? as in ive built about 10 and installed but none work.. i want to remove them all |
| 02:44.23 | Guerin | bbhill: your contribution is as sound as ever |
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| 02:44.41 | m0r3 | i had a problem |
| 02:44.46 | m0r3 | not more |
| 02:44.48 | deadcat | Newport: update-grub will do it for ya |
| 02:44.50 | Guerin | Newport: le /boot/ |
| 02:45.00 | Guerin | err, s/le/ls/ |
| 02:45.01 | deadcat | my god. ubuntu live ppc is SLOW |
| 02:45.10 | sussudio | deadcat: good. |
| 02:45.27 | m0r3 | my canon i250 is running under sarge and no tax charge for any drivers |
| 02:45.37 | Newport | ls /boot |
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| 02:45.54 | Newport | woops wrong window :) im in panic mode hehe sorry |
| 02:45.58 | m0r3 | the testpage says printed using CPUS v1.1.x |
| 02:46.10 | deadcat | sussudio: damn 2.6.10-2-powerpc |
| 02:46.11 | m0r3 | its a victory to me |
| 02:46.17 | m0r3 | its done |
| 02:46.28 | _gentgeen_ | I am writing a script where -- if [ "$1" != <REGEXP> ]; then -- where the <REGEXP> is ^[0-9]*[smhd]$ can anyone help? |
| 02:46.31 | m0r3 | someone got it working???? |
| 02:46.49 | mtqh | is there like a package for drivers for alsa? |
| 02:46.50 | _gentgeen_ | addition to post -- a bash script |
| 02:46.54 | Cepacol | some body speak portuguese?? |
| 02:47.02 | m0r3 | eu falo portugues |
| 02:47.03 | sussudio | !texugo Cepacol |
| 02:47.04 | dpkg | Cepacol: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 02:47.06 | m0r3 | o que voce precisa |
| 02:47.10 | sussudio | !pt |
| 02:47.10 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:47.21 | m0r3 | ou fale comigo |
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| 02:47.31 | Cepacol | ok |
| 02:47.41 | Guerin | _gentgeen_: #bash |
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| 02:47.49 | Cepacol | ei, como eu consigo entrar em um canal brasileiro? |
| 02:48.02 | Newport | how do u search for installed packages? |
| 02:48.12 | minholi | Cepacol, use debian-br channel for portuguese speak.. |
| 02:48.14 | m0r3 | ill publish web page about i250 running and some scremshoots too |
| 02:48.19 | eyeris | Is anyone else getting short read errors while trying to update libpt or libopenh323 on unstable? |
| 02:48.21 | _gentgeen_ | Guerin, thanks, tried them, and been waiting for about 30+ min -- hoping someone here could help |
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| 02:48.26 | m0r3 | later ill send the url |
| 02:48.29 | m0r3 | tkx all |
| 02:48.32 | m0r3 | cya |
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| 02:48.40 | m0r3 | special to u dpkg |
| 02:48.42 | Cepacol | mOr3, no server? |
| 02:48.43 | m0r3 | bye |
| 02:48.48 | minholi | Cepacol, #debian-br |
| 02:48.52 | m0r3 | what u need bro |
| 02:48.55 | Cepacol | ok |
| 02:48.59 | Cepacol | brigadao |
| 02:49.04 | m0r3 | porque/ |
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| 02:49.20 | m0r3 | SEND ME EMAIL TELLURICSUMMER@UOL.COM.BR |
| 02:49.27 | sussudio | ... |
| 02:49.33 | m0r3 | bye |
| 02:49.52 | Baracuda | mrwill: i tried 'ipconfig', and don't get anything like 00-0C-E5-21-DB-0D (my desktop's address, i need the notebook's) |
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| 02:51.01 | _kaiser_ | hello, I am having some problems with users/groups |
| 02:51.24 | _kaiser_ | I want to create a directory that has a group that my user is in, so only users in that group and the owner of the file can rwx the directory |
| 02:51.57 | _kaiser_ | I am a member of the same group as the directory's group, and the permissions are drwxrwxr-x |
| 02:52.09 | _kaiser_ | but, I get permission denied when trying to create files in the directory.... |
| 02:52.14 | _kaiser_ | any help would be great. |
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| 02:53.20 | mtqh | Does anyone know where the soundcard modules are for alsa |
| 02:53.21 | _joey | How sarge is different from sid? |
| 02:53.28 | mrwill | Baracuda: cause I told you 'ifconfig' |
| 02:53.49 | Blitx | test |
| 02:53.52 | deadcat | _joey: sid is more cutting edge and a bit unstable |
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| 02:54.03 | Azar | ok, I am having trouble after upgrading the kernel, configuring lilo.conf, /sbin/lilo would give me: Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10: No such file and directory what should I do? |
| 02:54.06 | _joey | what does that mean? |
| 02:54.14 | _joey | Newer versions of software? |
| 02:54.19 | deadcat | _joey: ya |
| 02:54.26 | mrwill | _joey: and possible breakage because of this. |
| 02:54.26 | deadcat | Azar: try grub |
| 02:54.45 | Azar | deadcat, I have no idea of grub worked with lilo for one year now.. |
| 02:54.46 | _kaiser_ | is there a way I can list what groups a user is in? |
| 02:54.48 | deadcat | Azar: does the file in /boot/vm... exist? |
| 02:55.07 | Azar | deadcat, I guess not and I would like to create but I do not know how |
| 02:55.09 | deadcat | Azar: simple. apt-get install grub |
| 02:55.31 | Azar | where is /boot located, I need to see it |
| 02:55.37 | deadcat | Azar: when you compile the kernel. did you install it? |
| 02:55.41 | _joey | what about the number of packages available in sid and sarge? |
| 02:55.42 | deadcat | Azar: the f. cd /boot |
| 02:55.49 | deadcat | _joey: about the same |
| 02:55.49 | Azar | I did installed it, yes deadcat |
| 02:55.50 | _joey | the same ? or sarge offers more? |
| 02:55.58 | Azar | all I was left to do was /sbin/lilo |
| 02:56.06 | deadcat | _joey: unstable has more |
| 02:56.19 | _joey | Nice |
| 02:56.39 | deadcat | Azar: thats why i like grub. update-grub search and puts all the kernels you have in a list |
| 02:56.40 | _joey | I am curious who actually is building all these packages for people |
| 02:56.49 | Azar | okk found it thanks deadcat |
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| 02:57.07 | _joey | in my opinion, every open source *nix should offerr prebuilt packages 10K+ |
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| 02:57.20 | _joey | :) |
| 02:58.10 | Newport | deadcat, so im using your command... seems to be working now... i dont need to do anything with initrd? all i do is update-grub and u think it will bootup? |
| 02:58.14 | _joey | deadcat is there minimal iso file for sid? |
| 02:59.02 | Azar | deadcat, I keep all the kernels listed, never delete old ones :) |
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| 02:59.11 | Azar | I am just trying to learn the mechanism |
| 02:59.47 | deadcat | Newport: yes if you have initrd built-in |
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| 03:00.08 | deadcat | _joey: its the devbian install then without that you can select testing or unstable |
| 03:00.12 | Newport | deadcat, how do i tell if i have initrd built in? |
| 03:00.18 | deadcat | _joey: but what i do is stable. then upgrade to unstable |
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| 03:00.47 | deadcat | Newport: if it boots (=. initrd = y in .config should be fine |
| 03:01.26 | Newport | deadcat, i dont see that line in .config |
| 03:02.04 | _joey | deadcat well a bit of waste of time and bandwisth |
| 03:02.12 | _joey | installing stable and then upgrading it |
| 03:02.24 | Newport | deadcat, alli have is "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y" |
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| 03:03.37 | Grant_ | Hello Hello - "MySQL support is ... Off" <--- how do i turn it on? |
| 03:03.54 | mrwill | Grant_: where did that message come from? |
| 03:04.05 | Grant_ | Ecommerce software :) |
| 03:04.10 | cycom | flip the little 'mysql' switch on? short the 'mysql' jumper? |
| 03:04.14 | Grant_ | lol |
| 03:04.15 | deadcat | Newport: i dont remember what the exact name. grpe -i initrd |
| 03:04.24 | deadcat | Newport: i think tahts enough. |
| 03:04.44 | Grant_ | Yes ive installed mysql with a database ready to etc, but i cannot work out why its spitting out this error |
| 03:05.09 | mrwill | Grant_: I have a hard time characterizing this as a debian problem. |
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| 03:05.42 | Grant_ | lol come on guys, i alwasy come here for help |
| 03:05.50 | Grant_ | where's Guerin |
| 03:05.53 | Grant_ | !beer Guerin |
| 03:05.57 | Grant_ | that will bring him here |
| 03:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: can you actually connect to your mysql database? |
| 03:06.43 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: mysql -u foo -p foodb; FE |
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| 03:08.09 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro hello, yes i can connect to it.... i think |
| 03:08.37 | Newport | deadcat, hope your right :) so you dont ever build a new initrd? |
| 03:09.13 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: well, make sure you can do that first... then tell us what this magical software you're using is, so we have some sort of clue what you're doing. |
| 03:09.31 | Azar | deadcat, dondelecaro thanks a lot, it has been a great experience: success :) |
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| 03:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Azar: np... |
| 03:11.16 | xuser | anyone know how to enable colors in lynx? |
| 03:11.19 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro yeah i can connect to it |
| 03:11.29 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: ok, what bit of software is this? |
| 03:11.37 | dud | why doesnt this work...? :( |
| 03:11.38 | dud | /dev/hdb1 /storage/unus ext3 auto,rw,gid=1111,umask=707 0 0 |
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| 03:11.46 | deadcat | Newport: never initrd for me. |
| 03:11.48 | dud | isnt that a valid fstab entry? |
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| 03:13.05 | Guerin | dud: I don't think you can specify uid and gid on unix filesystems |
| 03:13.14 | dud | oh :/ |
| 03:13.17 | dondelelcaro | exactly. |
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| 03:13.22 | Guerin | dud: you can only do it for filesystems without real permissions |
| 03:13.24 | paulswm | dud: man mount |
| 03:13.35 | dud | how would i go about getting my new harddrive usable for all users then? |
| 03:13.38 | Borgon | whats the minimum size of a debian install? |
| 03:13.48 | dud | i really havent added a new harddrive post-installation in linux before |
| 03:13.48 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro x-cart / litecommerce |
| 03:13.58 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: is this php based or something? |
| 03:14.00 | pipeline | Borgon: A bit less than 200M, if I recall correctly. You can strip it down more than that, but that's the default. |
| 03:14.18 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro yeppo ;) |
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| 03:14.47 | dud | my first try was to just use defaults in the 4th column, and set up the permissions to a group of which my users are members in |
| 03:14.47 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: you probably don't have php-mysql installed, or it isn't loaded in your php.info |
| 03:14.52 | dondelelcaro | s/info/ini/ |
| 03:15.03 | Guerin | dud: is it just a data drive? |
| 03:15.05 | paulswm | dud: mount the filesystem and then set the permissions on it (after the mount), then manage permissions within the filesystem tree as normal |
| 03:15.22 | Guerin | dud: as in, no OS files... |
| 03:15.22 | dud | yeah, just for storing data |
| 03:15.30 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro true.. let me check that.. |
| 03:15.44 | Borgon | pipeline, ok thanks. |
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| 03:16.06 | dud | paulswm, ok... how about if i restart...? will they stick? |
| 03:16.08 | Guerin | dud: make a group called 'data' or something and make everything on that file gid data and g+w |
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| 03:16.14 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro bugger its installed :( |
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| 03:16.40 | cg0def | how do you switch from gcc 3.3.5 to the 3.4.x version? |
| 03:16.53 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: ok, make a .php file or similar with <? php_info() ?> in it. |
| 03:17.01 | dondelelcaro | (or phpinfo() or whatever the fuck it actually is) |
| 03:17.11 | paulswm | dud: yes. as long as you set permissions on the mount point *after* mounting, it'll stay with the filesystem. Basically, you manage permissions the same as on any other directory tree. |
| 03:17.14 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: check to make sure that mysql actually got loaded |
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| 03:17.44 | cg0def | if I try uninstalling gcc 3.3.5 it also tries to take out half of my system with it ... |
| 03:18.03 | pipeline | cg0def: Install 3.4 first, then uninstall 3.3 later |
| 03:18.14 | pipeline | cg0def: They can co-exist, you know. |
| 03:18.25 | paulswm | dud: and owners, gourps, etc. There's no difference between managing a mounted filesystem and an ordinary directory tree |
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| 03:18.34 | cg0def | well I am relaly new to debian I don't really know much about the env |
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| 03:19.16 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro its loaded.. im doing the php thing now |
| 03:19.19 | cg0def | I know they can both be installed I already did that but the thing is that gcc and g++ are linked to 3.3.5 rather than 3.4 |
| 03:19.27 | cg0def | and I don't know how to fix that |
| 03:19.50 | pipeline | cg0def: You can update that through the various "alternatives" script. Or you can uninstall 3.3.5. Or just leave it alone and call "gcc34" when you want to use 3.4.x |
| 03:20.08 | dondelelcaro | Grant_: the phpinfo() thing will tell you. You should see mysql.so support... blah blah blah in the phpinfo output. |
| 03:20.10 | Guerin | i don't think gcc is managed through alternatives |
| 03:20.12 | paulswm | Ah well, goodnight, it's been a long and crappy day. Stay safe, everyone |
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| 03:20.42 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: iirc, it's the gcc package that manages it |
| 03:20.52 | Guerin | yeah, the metapackage |
| 03:20.58 | cg0def | pipeline: isn't there a way to set up the system so that config scripts will use gcc34? |
| 03:20.58 | Guerin | or virtual or whatever it is |
| 03:22.10 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro, doesnt have that.. |
| 03:22.17 | Dark_ness | i think that is with the CC= variable |
| 03:22.28 | Grant_ | dondelelcaro: supported databases MySQL ODBC PostgreSQL Microsoft SQL Server FrontBase Oracle 8 (oci8) Sybase-CT |
| 03:22.50 | dondelelcaro | Dark_ness: no, that's only for make. |
| 03:22.59 | dud | ok... ive added an enty like this to my /etc/group, but it still doesnt seem that users can write.... with a 774 octal on the folder |
| 03:23.01 | Dark_ness | gcc is just a symlink to the gcc version |
| 03:23.10 | Borgon | hey i need help choosing the kernel version in the installation... If i press enter at prompt it installed 2.2.20 ..how can i make it installed 2.6.x? |
| 03:23.15 | dud | store:x:1111:dud,bud |
| 03:23.19 | dud | dud and bud being users |
| 03:23.33 | dondelelcaro | Borgon: woody doesn't have 2.6.X. |
| 03:23.49 | Guerin | dud: dud and bud have to log out and back in again to see new group membership |
| 03:23.50 | dondelelcaro | Borgon: /msg dpkg woody 2.6; for more information |
| 03:23.52 | cg0def | Borgon: you can use something like expert26 |
| 03:23.59 | dud | oh ;/ hehe thanks |
| 03:23.59 | rellik | dondelelcaro, hey, I got portmap to work... after all my edits to the config file I was either 'init.d/portmap restart' or 'init.d/portmap stop; init.d/portmap start', and that never worked... but, on a whim, I rebooted, and portmap worked just fine |
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| 03:24.19 | rellik | dondelelcaro, don't understand, but just happy it works :) |
| 03:24.20 | dondelelcaro | rellik: strange. |
| 03:25.00 | cg0def | how come debian hasn't switched to xorg? is there some problem with xorg? |
| 03:25.10 | Borgon | dondelelcaro, i downloaded 3.0r4 ... it dosent have 2.6.x? |
| 03:25.10 | Borgon | wtf |
| 03:25.10 | Borgon | arg |
| 03:25.53 | Guerin | cg0def: topic |
| 03:26.07 | Blitx | 3.0 is from 2002 |
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| 03:26.20 | Blitx | I downloaded RC1 and it came with kernel 2.2 |
| 03:26.27 | Thumann | hi.. i've just compiled a new kernel(2.6.10) on my debian box... when i try to boot it.. the screen goes black.. and all i have is a blinkin cursor at the bottom of the screen.. |
| 03:26.31 | cg0def | Guerin: sorry |
| 03:26.46 | rellik | anyone have any idea what might cause mplayer to not work? I get the error "MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: play_audio" |
| 03:26.56 | rellik | (for any file) |
| 03:27.07 | dud | thanks folks :) |
| 03:27.09 | Dark_ness | maybe you do not have sound permissions |
| 03:27.15 | Borgon | when i download debian for sarge.. whats the name of the file? |
| 03:27.17 | Borgon | same =( |
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| 03:27.27 | Borgon | i didnt know debian was so old |
| 03:27.27 | Borgon | i guess thats why people like it, doesn tchange much |
| 03:27.33 | Guerin | cg0def: you're probably the first person in the history of #debian who's apologised for not reading the topic... |
| 03:27.46 | Thumann | specs are: sata disks in raid 0.. 1gb ram.. 3Gbz cpu.. intel 865pe chipset.. ati radeon9800 xt... |
| 03:27.47 | Blitx | I've been told that the dev versions do change frequently |
| 03:27.54 | Blitx | Woody is the last official release |
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| 03:27.58 | Guerin | testing and unstable change daily |
| 03:28.35 | Thumann | promise 378 onboard sata-raid controller... |
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| 03:33.35 | Blitx | here's to the third install of debian (beers) |
| 03:34.04 | Thumann | cheers |
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| 03:36.34 | carnage | does alsa support midi? |
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| 03:37.41 | oogy | hi, i just installed testing.. could someone guide me to a page that might detail the whole initrd.img and lilo issue and how to go about this correctly? thanks (i'm rusty:>) |
| 03:37.54 | pipeline | carnage: sometimes. And when it doesn't, there's a software MIDI synth that you can use with alsa. |
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| 03:38.24 | carnage | how do i make the software synth work? |
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| 03:39.20 | ChrysalisM | timidity is great if you are only trying to listen to midi's |
| 03:39.56 | pipeline | I'm pretty sure you just install the package and off you go. |
| 03:40.00 | carnage | i just need a reference for tuning my guitar |
| 03:40.14 | Borgon | can someone please point me to a sarge path download example in ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu ? i dont see where to get the right images |
| 03:40.38 | Guerin | Borgon: /mmsg dpkg d-i |
| 03:40.51 | Guerin | Borgon: this is not rocket science. |
| 03:41.13 | Borgon | who is dpkg a smart bot? |
| 03:41.24 | Dark_ness | a bot |
| 03:41.30 | Dark_ness | not smart |
| 03:41.30 | mwilson | Guerin: What, you expect him to actually read the installation guide or something? |
| 03:41.32 | Dark_ness | xD |
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| 03:41.47 | hikaru79 | Where does Debian have rc.local ? |
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| 03:42.02 | Dark_ness | lol |
| 03:42.04 | mwilson | hikaru79: It doesn't. |
| 03:42.10 | hikaru79 | mwilson, I see =( |
| 03:42.33 | hikaru79 | Then where can you mess with what gets loaded up at boot time? |
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| 03:43.07 | Borgon | Guerin, i cant find the .isos |
| 03:43.08 | Borgon | Dark_ness, my first time installing debian after years of working with slack/rh and bsd |
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| 03:43.53 | Dark_ness | there is a debian-installer web |
| 03:43.56 | maher | hikaru79: just put stuff in /etc/init.d and link it from rc2.d or wherever |
| 03:44.04 | Dark_ness | there you can download installer isos |
| 03:44.09 | Dark_ness | ask google |
| 03:44.12 | mwilson | hikaru79: Why woulld you need to? |
| 03:44.14 | maher | Borgon: if you read the install guide it tells you - if you don't then installing debian is very hard |
| 03:44.19 | hikaru79 | mwilson, I have pureFTPD |
| 03:44.31 | hikaru79 | But I want it to be booted up with different parameters than what it's set to |
| 03:44.32 | ChrysalisM | Borgon: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:44.40 | hikaru79 | So I want to edit the line that pure-ftpd is called with |
| 03:44.41 | Borgon | jeeze why does sarge have 15 install iso and why do the names remind me of toy story? |
| 03:44.48 | Blitx | Good until it tries to connect to the net for packages even though it is told to use a disc--well, here's to dumb luck anyhow |
| 03:44.55 | hikaru79 | Borgon, they're all from Toy Story |
| 03:44.59 | hikaru79 | sid, woody, sarge, etc |
| 03:45.15 | mwilson | hikaru79: So? |
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| 03:45.29 | hikaru79 | mwilson, so... isn't this how one would do it? How else? |
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| 03:45.34 | maher | hikaru79: look in /etc/init.d |
| 03:45.39 | Borgon | maher, installation was pretty easy |
| 03:45.39 | Borgon | ChrysalisM, i was going to install http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 03:45.39 | Borgon | never heard of sid |
| 03:45.39 | Borgon | i was never a debian person |
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| 03:45.43 | mwilson | hikaru79: Then do so. What, other than nothing whatsoever, does this have to do with rc.local? |
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| 03:46.15 | hikaru79 | mwilson, I was reading a pure-ftpd tutorial and rc.local is the file that it was saying was used for boot-up tasks |
| 03:46.20 | maher | Borgon: you've installed already? |
| 03:46.23 | deckrider | Hi I installed woody on a friends computer and recently upgraded it to sarge. He has a real pci modem, which appears to be detected as ttyS14 (looking at dmesg) under kernel 2.6.8. However, I know the modem worked with woody, but forgot what I did to set it up...perhaps setserial is what I used. Is there anything special I should know about 2.6.8 and modems? |
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| 03:46.41 | Borgon | ChrysalisM, yours has the network install or something whats the difference |
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| 03:47.06 | maher | Borgon: all the names come from toy story |
| 03:47.07 | ChrysalisM | Borgon: download the packages as you install them instead of downloading cd images |
| 03:47.38 | Borgon | maher, installed woody 3.0r4 thinking it came with 2.6.x kernel to my vmware, i am downloaded the new sarge version |
| 03:48.01 | mwilson | hikaru79: If you think you're competent to mess with how pureFTPd starts up, then you're competent to actually look at how the Debian package works, and modify its initscript in /etc/init.d |
| 03:48.12 | maher | Borgon: just change sources.list |
| 03:48.18 | maher | Borgon: and then upgrade |
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| 03:49.28 | Borgon | ChrysalisM, ok downloading at 387kb/sec homefully it will be done in less than 5 mins |
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| 03:50.03 | helloyo | is woody much more stable then sarge? |
| 03:50.09 | United | Jan 27 21:49:34 portadesign postfix/smtpd[13940]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory |
| 03:50.09 | FieldySnuts | great. ubuntu news on slashdot, heads up for mass off-topicness |
| 03:50.10 | United | any ideas? |
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| 03:50.55 | kjm | OrangeRoot1000: your source list, or source files? |
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| 03:51.06 | maher | Borgon: don't bother reinstalling - either upgrade, or if you're installing into an extra partition on the same machine you can just run debootstrap manually |
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| 03:51.14 | kjm | i. e. kernel headers etc? |
| 03:51.17 | FieldySnuts | I have some ideas, but they involve a rabid wolverine, fifty two legged goats and a box of gelatain powder. |
| 03:51.33 | maher | helloyo: yes |
| 03:53.53 | Borgon | maher, its alright, ill be reinstalling to a small partition on vmware to test xen |
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| 03:54.18 | maher | Borgon: if you can mount the partition from debian you can just run debootstrap manually |
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| 03:55.47 | Guerin | helloyo: sarge changes daily. Woody changes only if there's a security update to be made. |
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