| 00:00.02 | dondelelcaro | s/key/person/ |
| 00:00.06 | beck | ok , but when i make gpg --list-keys i dont get "sub" in the features of the key (im in the machine of my friend checking) |
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| 00:00.10 | tarzeau | streuner: convert -morph 3 -delay 100 first.gif second.gif third.gif ANIMATION.gif |
| 00:00.32 | jcb | vulture: xDSL is the only products that can be installed without the provider having to dig and install fiber |
| 00:00.33 | dondelelcaro | beck: exactly, because there is sub key there |
| 00:00.39 | dondelelcaro | s/is/is no/ |
| 00:00.41 | beck | dondelelcaro the thing is i always used PGP but now im learning gpg , why gpgp didnt do that ? |
| 00:00.46 | jcb | burd: xDSL |
| 00:00.47 | streuner | tarzeau: Does convert work with png's too? |
| 00:00.52 | dondelelcaro | beck: the user would need to make an encryption subkey. It's pretty trivial. |
| 00:00.58 | beck | he created the key using gpg --gen-key |
| 00:00.59 | tarzeau | streuner: of course, but the last image must be gif |
| 00:01.09 | tarzeau | streuner: wait you don't need to convert |
| 00:01.11 | vulture | jcb: right.. and are you using the full bandwidth of said DSL? or are you capped by your ISP down to something reasonable? |
| 00:01.14 | tarzeau | streuner: just use .png .png .png .gif |
| 00:01.33 | burd | jcb: there is absolutely no way it would cost less to get two phone lines and two dsl accounts instead of just turning up your bandwidth |
| 00:01.33 | jcb | vulture: i dont get your question? |
| 00:01.35 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 00:01.40 | tarzeau | streuner: you can have as many .png as you want, well on linux the shell input is limited of course |
| 00:01.47 | jcb | burd: thats true |
| 00:01.51 | burd | jcb: I mean it could be where your at but I never heard of such a thing |
| 00:01.55 | tarzeau | streuner: (not by memory but idiot moron artifially) |
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| 00:02.04 | vulture | burd: that's what I'm thinking |
| 00:02.09 | jcb | jcb: it is ofcourse an options worth discussing with the isp |
| 00:02.09 | dondelelcaro | beck: well, then something strange happened. do gpg --edit <keyid>; and addkey to add a subkey |
| 00:02.17 | vulture | jcb: why? |
| 00:02.18 | beck | dondelelcaro haha and how i do an encryption subkey , i just learn that if i have A and B , A encrypts using B public key and B decrypts using B private key |
| 00:02.21 | dondelelcaro | beck: alternatively, upload the key to a keyserver that works, like subkeys.pgp.net |
| 00:02.27 | jcb | burd: it is ofcourse an options worth discussing with the isp |
| 00:02.37 | beck | dondelelcaro i did that but it says that secret key parts are not avalaible |
| 00:02.42 | vulture | jcb: it's clearly far more work for them, and for you.. so why would they charge less for it? |
| 00:02.52 | dondelelcaro | beck: only the owner of the key can make a subkey |
| 00:02.54 | burd | jcb: maybe you should tell us what your planning on doing with the connections.. maybe your whole idea is just a couple clicks away from being solved |
| 00:03.06 | dondelelcaro | beck: this is something that your friend needs to do |
| 00:03.13 | harryvetch | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 00:03.14 | harryvetch | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.14 | harryvetch | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:03.14 | harryvetch | E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporari |
| 00:03.14 | harryvetch | ly unavailable) |
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| 00:03.16 | streuner | tarzeau: in 5-6 hours, the folder is about 128 MB big... |
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| 00:03.22 | peterS | beck: in PGP, you don't use the same key for signing as for encrypting. and in gpg, creating a signing key does not automatically create an encryption key |
| 00:03.25 | burd | *punt* |
| 00:03.29 | jcb | vulture: im not trying to act like i can think for them and that i know they product policy, so i cant answer you |
| 00:03.30 | beck | after he do that he need to upgrade |
| 00:03.34 | abrotman | harryvetch: /msg dpkg flood |
| 00:03.34 | beck | to pgp.mit.edu ? |
| 00:03.50 | jcb | vulture: im not trying to act like i can think for them or that i know their product policy, so i cant answer you |
| 00:03.50 | harryvetch | yea |
| 00:03.51 | vulture | jcb: just seems like an odd approach to persue that's all.. |
| 00:04.00 | hever | Good evening. My network is very very slow by the first name resolution. When I call a homepage i have to wait up to a minute but after this it comes up and I could browse on it. What could I do, where is the error ? |
| 00:04.02 | tarzeau | streuner: you might want to lower the morph amount to 2 or 1... |
| 00:04.08 | quarupted | i dont want fstab to automout it i just want my user account to be bale to mont anything |
| 00:04.11 | dondelelcaro | beck: to subkeys.pgp.net |
| 00:04.15 | quarupted | able |
| 00:04.15 | beck | ok |
| 00:04.15 | jcb | vulture: yea, i guess it seems weird |
| 00:04.16 | quarupted | ? |
| 00:04.19 | tarzeau | streuner: try how it looks with say 10 pictures... |
| 00:04.32 | dondelelcaro | beck: pgp.mit.edu is running an old version (or was, anyway) that breaks certain types of subkeys |
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| 00:04.55 | beck | dondelelcaro he is asking me that when he tried to add a subkey it says that "key is protected" how he "open" the key |
| 00:05.06 | dondelelcaro | beck: eh? gpg won't say that... |
| 00:05.16 | streuner | tarzeau: the whole point is not to make a movie out of it, the point is that the bot record the whole data in, lets say, 24 hrs.... |
| 00:05.21 | ribnitz | ok. cannot get disk type (on both philips and no-name media)? |
| 00:05.27 | paulswm | quarupted: you do it in fstab, read the man page |
| 00:05.31 | beck | Command> addkey |
| 00:05.31 | beck | Key is protected. |
| 00:05.31 | beck | gpg: secret key parts are not available |
| 00:05.31 | beck | gpg: Key generation failed: general error |
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| 00:05.39 | beck | Key is protected. |
| 00:05.42 | beck | gpg: secret key parts are not available |
| 00:05.49 | tarzeau | streuner: why not make a realtime stream? :) |
| 00:05.58 | harryvetch | Okay is there a way to get my cvs unlocked? http://channels.debian.net/paste/220 |
| 00:06.07 | tarzeau | streuner: irc read-only :) |
| 00:06.13 | streuner | tarzeau: :-) |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | harryvetch: are you rooot? |
| 00:06.29 | harryvetch | yes |
| 00:06.43 | abrotman | then you've got a dirty lock file somewhere |
| 00:06.43 | tarzeau | streuner: a graphical irc client, you only see the people who talk |
| 00:06.48 | streuner | tarzeau: if don't talk something, lets say, 30 mins. you aren't anymore on that picture |
| 00:06.55 | Cabbage | harryvetch> Is apt-get running elsewhere? |
| 00:06.59 | tarzeau | streuner: and thus, not important |
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| 00:07.21 | harryvetch | harry, nott that i know of. i can killall -9 apt-get and see what happens |
| 00:07.41 | streuner | tarzeau: its only interesting for people who aren't familar with #debian |
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| 00:08.04 | streuner | tarzeau: *We* know that what you see there already |
| 00:08.08 | dondelelcaro | harryvetch: you've got another apt-get or dpkg running. |
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| 00:08.17 | Cabbage | harryvetch> No, do fuser /var/cache/apt/archives/lock |
| 00:08.17 | beck | dondelelcaro do you know what that meant ? |
| 00:08.21 | harryvetch | one to many apt-get were ruinning |
| 00:08.22 | harryvetch | :) |
| 00:08.22 | tarzeau | streuner: you mean not familiar with irc |
| 00:08.25 | harryvetch | cvs is installed |
| 00:08.35 | dondelelcaro | beck: again, that means that you don't have the secret key available |
| 00:08.36 | harryvetch | wait got a error |
| 00:08.47 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
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| 00:08.57 | jcb | burd: there are a couple of apartments here and we want VoIP and IPTV. it is cheaper if we have the bandwidth ready, but we can only have that by using multiple xdsl links (there is no fiber available). so my thoughts are that multihoming will not let us use of all bandwidth, since a link can be "full" (u cant split a connection with multihoming) without all bandwidth being used on the specific link |
| 00:09.10 | hever | When I call a homepage i have to wait up to a minute but after this it comes up and I could browse on it. What could I do, where is the error ? I think it has something todo with the name resolution... |
| 00:09.19 | beck | dondelelcaro hrmm ok im implicitly asking why is not avalaible is i do --list-secret-keys he can see the key but well |
| 00:09.19 | dondelelcaro | beck: only a person poseessing the secret key (and a properly formatted secret key at that) can add a subkey |
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| 00:09.28 | tarzeau | hever: dns? |
| 00:09.41 | tarzeau | hever: check your /etc/resolv.conf and check with host command |
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| 00:09.43 | burd | jcb: wire the building :) |
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| 00:09.45 | simmerz | i am having issues with crontab - it is apparently running, but the scripts in /etc/cron.daily, /etc/cron.monthly aren't being executed |
| 00:09.49 | Cabbage | hever> Use dig or nslookup to check the name resolution. The other thing it could be is that perhaps you have a bogus proxy configured |
| 00:10.02 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: have you munged about with /etc/crontab? |
| 00:10.04 | tarzeau | simmerz: what is the question? |
| 00:10.07 | Cabbage | simmerz> crontab never runs, it is a configuration file, not a progfram |
| 00:10.09 | zeeble | tarzeau: happy b'day :) |
| 00:10.15 | tarzeau | zeeble: thank you |
| 00:10.30 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: no. thats the odd thing. i haven't changed a thing, except a dist-upgrade |
| 00:10.32 | caphuso | uhm... Get:2 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main lynx-cur 2.8.6-9 (tar) [3023kB] Get:3 http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/main lynx-cur 2.8.6-9 (diff) [5598kB] |
| 00:10.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't you were aging anymore |
| 00:10.41 | dabreegster | I have an onboard CMI8330 soundcard, a 2.6 kernel, and a snd-cmi8330 driver. Right now I'm using OSS, but I want to use alsa with this module. alsaconf can't find any soundcards, though I found the driver file. When I modprobe or /etc/modules it, it says device busy and PnP detection failed. |
| 00:10.42 | hever | tarzeau, /etc/resolv.conf : search |
| 00:10.42 | jcb | burd: if u mean fiber, then we might aswell move the building - its still way too expensive here |
| 00:10.43 | hever | nameserver 192.168.69.254 |
| 00:10.46 | dabreegster | How can I get it working? |
| 00:10.51 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: and what does pidof cron; return? |
| 00:10.56 | paulswm | Cabbage: actually crontab is also a program, try crontab -l to prove it |
| 00:11.05 | Cabbage | paulswm> doh, yes |
| 00:11.07 | burd | jcb: you will get more bandwidth from a cat6 install than you could ever afford from Xdsl |
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| 00:11.11 | scytheman | dpkg mail |
| 00:11.12 | dpkg | [mail] a great program for sending mail, or mutt can send mail from the command line with attachments, or elm rewarded the best emailer of 1999. Pine is out. |
| 00:11.13 | paulswm | Cabbage: heh |
| 00:11.20 | jcb | burd: cat6? |
| 00:11.21 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: 26606 |
| 00:11.22 | harryvetch | Cabbage, look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/221 still getting apt-get install cvs errors even after using fuser and killall-9 |
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| 00:11.27 | burd | jbc: copper |
| 00:11.28 | ribnitz | I am getting enough of this, will retry with ide-scsi.. |
| 00:11.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: age is a matter of mind |
| 00:11.32 | quarupted | how do i make a dir read write for all users? chroot /dir or what? |
| 00:11.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: what mind? |
| 00:11.40 | peterS | quarupted: chmod |
| 00:11.50 | ribnitz | quarupted: 0777 |
| 00:11.51 | peterS | quarupted: as in, chmod a+rwx dirname |
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| 00:11.56 | paulswm | Cabbage|uhhh: you're hanging out in here too much, brain cells are dying by the second |
| 00:11.56 | quarupted | chmod /dir +xr or? |
| 00:12.07 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: ok, cron is running. Check /var/log/auth.log to see that cron is su'ing to the users and doing whatever it's supposed to be doing. |
| 00:12.10 | quarupted | ok thx |
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| 00:12.13 | jcb | burd: isnt cat6 just a definition of a cable type? |
| 00:12.16 | ribnitz | quarupted: man chmod, info chmod |
| 00:12.18 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: additionally, what makes you think that cron isn't being run daily and/or monthly? |
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| 00:12.34 | hever | tarzeau, Cabbage|uhhh host works very fast when I thinking about my webbrowsers |
| 00:12.35 | ribnitz | jcb: and of certain characteristics. |
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| 00:12.47 | hever | tarzeau, one or two seconds |
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| 00:12.53 | jcb | ribnitz: like what |
| 00:12.56 | burd | jcb: are you going to use the VoIP and IPTV within the building right? |
| 00:13.00 | harryvetch | im going to reboot |
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| 00:13.08 | jcb | burd: voip at first |
| 00:13.13 | paulswm | !bless harryvetch |
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| 00:13.14 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child harryvetch, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 00:13.20 | burd | jcb: just within th ebuilding tho? |
| 00:13.22 | streuner | tarzeau: another thing, if 'it' records all data (nicks) you wouldn't prolly see something on that picture... |
| 00:13.26 | jcb | burd: no |
| 00:13.41 | Cabbage|uhhh | hever> perhaps you have a bogus proxy configured |
| 00:13.41 | harryvetch | paul, well im tired of waiting. |
| 00:13.44 | quarupted | ean@Quarupt:~ $ sudo chmod a+rwx /mnt/Windows |
| 00:13.44 | quarupted | chmod: changing permissions of `/mnt/Windows': Read-only file system |
| 00:13.44 | quarupted | sean@Quarupt:~ $ cd /mnt/Windows/ |
| 00:13.44 | quarupted | bash: cd: /mnt/Windows/: Permission denied |
| 00:13.44 | quarupted | sean@Quarupt:~ $ |
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| 00:13.47 | streuner | tarzeau: imagine, how many nicks we have here... |
| 00:13.49 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: the reason is that my webstats using webalizer are normally automatically updated weekly. but they hadn't been since the 9th jan. and my backups were not recent either. |
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| 00:13.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: you shouldn't hang around with Mind Flayers , the suck out your brain |
| 00:13.58 | quarupted | sorry |
| 00:13.58 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: beer doesn't help |
| 00:14.13 | Cabbage|uhhh | quarupted> PAGER="less +/umask" man fstab |
| 00:14.14 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite quarupted |
| 00:14.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon quarupted. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:14.27 | paulswm | abrotman: oh, beer helps a *lot* |
| 00:14.32 | burd | jcb: once again we go back to a simple solution with traffic shaping, you get two connections, set up the shaping to send voip and iptv through 1 connection and rest through the other |
| 00:14.33 | tarzeau | streuner: care to look at the debian user worldmap? use a smaller font |
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| 00:14.36 | quarupted | i have read the topic |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | paulswm: too many bucks :) |
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| 00:14.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: are you telling i don't have amind? |
| 00:14.47 | quarupted | you said to chmod it but its read only? |
| 00:14.51 | paulswm | abrotman: brew your own |
| 00:14.54 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: cron is being run, but the scripts dont seem to be doing anything. |
| 00:14.56 | Cabbage | quarupted> PAGER="less +/umask" man fstab |
| 00:14.59 | quarupted | how can i chmod a ro mount? |
| 00:14.59 | burd | jcb: 1 minute and I will show you another solution |
| 00:15.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: how would i know |
| 00:15.04 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: ok, but do you see anything in the auth.log? FE Jan 23 09:20:01 archimedes CRON[32477]: (pam_unix) session opened for user lrrd by (uid=0) |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm not sure i would want to |
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| 00:15.12 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: do you have anacron installed? |
| 00:15.14 | quarupted | Cabbage, what are you talking about, i have read the man and the info |
| 00:15.24 | Cabbage | quarupted> It is a mounted Windows filesystem. chmod WILL NOT WORK on it. |
| 00:15.26 | streuner | tarzeau: 404 ;-) |
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| 00:15.46 | streuner | tarzeau: somebody should fix the factoid |
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| 00:15.52 | quarupted | Cabbage, so how do i make it so users other than root can access its mount point? |
| 00:15.54 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: yes. lots of them - www-data. couple of ones that root only can run, and mail and news users. |
| 00:15.56 | jcb | burd: multihoming is not the ideal solution here since its done on network layer. im looking for a similar concept, but something that is done on the data link layer |
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| 00:16.03 | dondelelcaro | !vfatrw |
| 00:16.03 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 00:16.05 | paulswm | quarupted: man mount |
| 00:16.06 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: ^^^ |
| 00:16.07 | tarzeau | streuner: which? |
| 00:16.12 | quarupted | i have read the man |
| 00:16.15 | tarzeau | dpkg dff |
| 00:16.15 | dpkg | debian friend finder: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or #debian-worldmap |
| 00:16.20 | Cabbage | quarupted> You're right. That should be PAGER="less +/umask" man mount |
| 00:16.22 | tarzeau | streuner: that doesn't work? |
| 00:16.36 | jcb | burd: well, its not that its done on the network layer, its more the limitation when u do its on the network layer |
| 00:16.39 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: ok, so cron is running, it's just that your scripts aren't. |
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| 00:16.46 | burd | jcb: http://www.rad-direct.com/Application-load-balance-routers.htm |
| 00:16.51 | harryvetch | The orginal cvs install was hanging. rebooting my system is now making cvs echo back help files. |
| 00:16.58 | harryvetch | thats good. |
| 00:17.00 | paulswm | quarupted: see above. That stuff is also in the man page for mount (without the example of course) |
| 00:17.02 | quarupted | Cabbage, dude the man doesnt say how to make a windows ro mount point accessible for all users |
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| 00:17.21 | quarupted | i read it 4 times |
| 00:17.30 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: if you stuck your scripts in /etc/cron.daily/ they should all be +x; and they'll be run as root. |
| 00:17.30 | jcb | burd: its still multihoming |
| 00:17.30 | burd | jcb: look into stuff like that and search google for >> load balance router dsl |
| 00:17.36 | simmerz | scripts haven't changed though. logrotate isn't rotating logs, but i ran logrotate using the script that is in /etc and it worked fine manually. all the scripts work fine manually |
| 00:17.36 | skip_ | help please...I'm having trouble enabling CPU throttling on my Toshiba laptop |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 00:17.44 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 00:17.45 | jcb | burd: yep thanks |
| 00:17.50 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: yes, it does. I've read it very carefully. Aditionally, see exactly what dpkg said earlier. |
| 00:17.53 | streuner | tarzeau: of course, but the factoid has the ',' right after the URL... |
| 00:18.01 | paulswm | quarupted: weren't you here earlier asking where fstab was? |
| 00:18.04 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: all +x |
| 00:18.13 | tarzeau | streuner: your copy/paste/ircclient is broke |
| 00:18.16 | burd | jcb: you'll find an answer.. I don't think it will be what you expected, but you will find the answer |
| 00:18.19 | tarzeau | streuner: that works perfect with irssi |
| 00:18.40 | tarzeau | streuner: you don't have irssi? |
| 00:18.48 | quarupted | NO it doesnt, want me to embaress you and post the whole thing in flood it doesnt mention windows once |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | what is chacking? |
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| 00:19.10 | paulswm | abrotman: heh |
| 00:19.26 | streuner | tarzeau: X-Chat |
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| 00:19.35 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: ok, and if you look in your syslog or messages equivalent, you see something like Jan 28 06:25:01 archimedes /USR/SBIN/CRON[23121]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily), right? |
| 00:19.38 | Cabbage | quarupted> You didn't mount a "Windows" filesystem. |
| 00:19.45 | abrotman | what's for dinner? |
| 00:19.48 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: what does ls -l /usr/sbin/anacron return? |
| 00:19.49 | tarzeau | streuner: it's broke! it's broke. |
| 00:19.49 | quarupted | yes i did i mounted a NTFS filesystem |
| 00:20.04 | dabreegster | Anybody know why debian.org decides to go down right when I need it? |
| 00:20.07 | quarupted | NTFS is NEW TECHNOLOGY FILE SYSTEM thats windows |
| 00:20.15 | jethro | dabreegster: murphy's law |
| 00:20.17 | quarupted | wow |
| 00:20.19 | jcb | burd: i know it exist since i learned about it when i had an internship at a isp, i just cant recall the name of the concept |
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| 00:20.42 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: no, it mentions ntfs. Not windows. If you read what dpkg told you, you'd be done already. |
| 00:20.43 | jethro | quarupted: it's neanderthal-like technology file system |
| 00:20.47 | Una_El_Sysdrum | hasn't ntfs been around scence nt 3.1 something? |
| 00:20.50 | dabreegster | Anybody also happen to know how to get a cmi8330 isapnp soundcard to get going on a 2.6 kernel with a snd-cmi8330 driver? |
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| 00:21.08 | quarupted | its better than EXT3 |
| 00:21.12 | Cabbage | quarupted> The answer is right there in the manual page, under NTFS, and for that matter the answer is also in the thing that dpkg said earlier, as someone else pointed out. |
| 00:21.13 | abrotman | right ... |
| 00:21.15 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 00:21.18 | abrotman | ntfs only eats itself |
| 00:21.27 | Cabbage | Una_El_Sysdrum> Earlier, probably. |
| 00:21.32 | quarupted | dpkg is a bin? |
| 00:21.33 | dpkg | i don't know, quarupted |
| 00:21.37 | quarupted | what are you talking about? |
| 00:21.38 | abrotman | a bot |
| 00:21.42 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 00:21.42 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:21.52 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: eh? ls -l /usr/sbin/anacron; returns what? |
| 00:21.54 | ugarit | I there a DVD iso image of the latest debian ? |
| 00:21.57 | paulswm | quarupted was here earlier with a crappy attitude didn't read the man pages closely then either |
| 00:21.58 | quarupted | okay some script kiddie bot thats great doesnt help me |
| 00:22.00 | paulswm | Jan 28 12:45:24 <quarupted> i want to know where the fstab file is |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | ugarit: you can make one |
| 00:22.09 | ugarit | abrotman: how? |
| 00:22.14 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: job done - anacron not installed for some reason. not sure why, but just installed it again. thanks!!! |
| 00:22.15 | Cabbage | !vfatrw |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | ugarit: jigdo |
| 00:22.15 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 00:22.24 | jethro | ugarit: when last debian stable came out there was no such thing as dvd |
| 00:22.26 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: no, no... anacron isn't supposed to be installed. |
| 00:22.26 | paulswm | Jan 28 12:46:50 <paulswm> quarupted: the man page for fstab tells you exactly where fstab is, you should have actually read it |
| 00:22.33 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: I was checking to make sure it wasn't installed. |
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| 00:22.41 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: oh. it wasn't |
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| 00:22.47 | abrotman | jethro: that's not true |
| 00:22.49 | Cabbage | !ntfsrw |
| 00:22.49 | dpkg | ntfsrw is, like, dream on! |
| 00:22.50 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: it's not a script kiddie bot. It's more knowledgable about how to get everyone read access on a windows filesystem than you are. |
| 00:22.55 | quarupted | Jan 28 12:45:24 <paulswm> I can forge logs too im so cool! |
| 00:22.57 | jethro | abrotman: that was a joke |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | !sarcasm |
| 00:23.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarcasm is when you say something that you don't entirely mean in order to gain some sort of dramatic effect or other er something;; for example "that's a really good definition" |
| 00:23.25 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: removing now. |
| 00:23.28 | burd | Cabbageeeeeeee:what is hodingthm back from beig able to rwwwwwwww ontfs anyho? |
| 00:23.42 | paulswm | quarupted: you arer an idiot, idiots aren't cool, I'm done with you as your are incapable of either taking advice or asking for help gracefully |
| 00:23.42 | burd | damn keyboard |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | paulswm: you're |
| 00:23.58 | ugarit | jehtro: I hope you mean dvd iso and install not dvd in general |
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| 00:24.06 | dondelelcaro | burd: no one has written a writeable driver that doesn't eat data. |
| 00:24.09 | Cabbage | dondelelcaro> lol. But of course CONFIG_NTFS_RW may not be set in his /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 00:24.12 | paulswm | abrotman: heh |
| 00:24.13 | jethro | ugarit: I meant dvd in general as part of my joke |
| 00:24.14 | burd | Cabbage:what is holding them back from being able to rw on ntfs anyho? |
| 00:24.18 | burd | I just had to correct that |
| 00:24.20 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: I've tried my best to help you. If you're not interested in our help... well, there's not much we can do for you. |
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| 00:24.33 | quarupted | lol, aww your mad cause im not going to flame back cause im not an immature script kiddie who couldnt write an Include line in C |
| 00:24.35 | quarupted | lmao |
| 00:24.37 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: please don't call people idiots. If you've got an issue with them, employ /ignore. |
| 00:24.38 | burd | dondelelcaro: as I have experienced first hand lol :0 |
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| 00:24.47 | ugarit | jehtro: in other words the stable debian is outdated? |
| 00:24.51 | abrotman | quarupted: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:24.52 | Cabbage | burd> Either the umask= option in /etc/fstab is missing or has the wrong value, or CONFIG_NTFS_RW may not be set in his /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 00:25.05 | jethro | ugarit: depends on your use of it |
| 00:25.06 | tallison | Is there some way to do screen captures from KDE? I've only ever used GIMP |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | and if you can't tell me concisely and politely .. don't bother |
| 00:25.14 | dondelelcaro | tallison: import -window root foo.png; |
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| 00:25.16 | abrotman | tallison: #debian-kde |
| 00:25.22 | dondelelcaro | tallison: the same programs will work in kde as work in gnome |
| 00:25.24 | quarupted | its simple i just want to know what to add to my fstab so all users can mount and unmout including my windows HD |
| 00:25.27 | jethro | ugarit: and there might be dvd iso I was just kidding sorry for bringing confusion |
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| 00:25.36 | abrotman | quarupted: and it's NTFS? |
| 00:25.41 | quarupted | yea |
| 00:25.41 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: you set user in the fstab. It's simple. Easy. |
| 00:25.48 | quarupted | i did that |
| 00:25.49 | ugarit | jethro: I can't find a dvd iso for a stable debian |
| 00:25.49 | Cabbage | quarupted> The answer though is in the manual page that we keep referring you to. |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | quarupted: read the man page .. it tells you |
| 00:25.56 | quarupted | no its NOT |
| 00:25.57 | burd | tallison: also kscreencapture |
| 00:26.02 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: man fstab; if you don't understand where to put it, man mount; if you don't understand what user means. |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | quarupted: wanna fucking bet? |
| 00:26.04 | penta | how can i clean the history ?? |
| 00:26.07 | Cabbage | quarupted> *what* is not in the manual page? |
| 00:26.09 | quarupted | if you will listen im having a different problem |
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| 00:26.16 | deadcat | penta: what history? |
| 00:26.17 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: cron should run without anacron. and it is apparently running as far as the logs seem to think. so why are the (most importantly) logrotate and backup scripts not executing |
| 00:26.21 | penta | i dont want the current session history to be flush on the history file ? |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | quarupted: then tell us what the real problem is! |
| 00:26.29 | quarupted | I cannot chmod the mount point cause its a mounted ntfs fs |
| 00:26.30 | dondelelcaro | tallison: read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me, please. import -window root foo.jpg; not import-window. It's in image-magick. |
| 00:26.38 | deadcat | penta: from your shell? |
| 00:26.42 | dondelelcaro | tallison: if you've already got a screenshot program from gnome, you can just use that. |
| 00:26.43 | jethro | !lart quarupted |
| 00:26.44 | penta | deadcat ssh shell history how can clean it so it will not flush to the history file |
| 00:26.45 | Cabbage | quarupted> You don;t need to chmod the mount point. That has nothign to do with it. |
| 00:26.51 | paulswm | Jan 28 12:43:42 <quarupted> i have rtfm or i wouldnt be here dood |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | quarupted: and i just man fstab .. and guess what .. IT'S FUCKING IN THE GOD DAMN MAN PAGE |
| 00:26.56 | Cabbage | heh |
| 00:27.00 | deadcat | penta: export HISTFILE=/dev/null |
| 00:27.01 | ugarit | debian seems to complicated to download |
| 00:27.02 | quarupted | it is allready flagged as user and ro in the fstab |
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| 00:27.12 | abrotman | quarupted: why can't you chmod ? |
| 00:27.14 | tallison | Aha!!! import{space} window.. you rock |
| 00:27.19 | deadcat | penta: or export HISTSIZE=0 |
| 00:27.20 | Cabbage | quarupted> What do you think "ro" might stand for, then? |
| 00:27.20 | dondelelcaro | tallison: -window |
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| 00:27.22 | quarupted | im trying to tell you i allready did the fstab stuff |
| 00:27.30 | quarupted | read only |
| 00:27.32 | quarupted | duh |
| 00:27.33 | penta | deadcat thx |
| 00:27.39 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: but you haven't set the uid, gid and umask options appropriately yet. |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | quarupted: you're really annoying |
| 00:27.41 | paulswm | when he was asking where ftab was: Jan 28 12:44:19 <quarupted> the location of the file is not in the man |
| 00:27.43 | deadcat | penta: got something to hide eh? |
| 00:27.48 | jethro | abrotman: because you can't set unix permissions on vfat/ntfs and ntfs write support is still experimental iirc |
| 00:27.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: just use /ignore if you have a problem with someone. |
| 00:27.52 | jethro | quarupted: ^^ |
| 00:27.53 | abrotman | quarupted: you need to read |
| 00:27.57 | quarupted | i have read |
| 00:28.01 | quarupted | your not listening |
| 00:28.04 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:28.06 | quarupted | fstab is configured |
| 00:28.07 | paulswm | he's a complete moron |
| 00:28.16 | quarupted | lmao this is just a flamer room |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | then go |
| 00:28.25 | Cabbage | quarupted> You want to be able to write to the NTFS filesystem, yes? |
| 00:28.31 | abrotman | quarupted: ask ##linux then |
| 00:28.36 | dondelelcaro | quarupted: anyway, I've answered both of your questions twice now. Please read through the scrollback and find the answers. |
| 00:29.01 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: please refrain from calling people names. If you have an issue with them, employ /ignore. |
| 00:29.12 | jethro | burd: I come here to get my daily amount of stupidity |
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| 00:29.31 | caphuso | oh, you scared him away |
| 00:29.37 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help. gonna have to go now. will try and resolve the issue monday. might ask your help again if you are around. night |
| 00:29.42 | Cabbage | quarupted> You want to be able to write to the NTFS filesystem, yes? |
| 00:29.50 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: thank you - bang on - ignore, don't name call |
| 00:29.52 | tobehz | Cabbage: he's silenced |
| 00:29.53 | abrotman | Cabbage: he can't answer you |
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| 00:30.11 | abrotman | Cabbage: you can find him with /whois quarupted |
| 00:30.21 | Cabbage | tobehz, abrotman: OK. Maybe if I repeat myself 40 tiumes that will help. |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | Cabbage: no . probably not :) |
| 00:30.49 | Cabbage | I do wonder though if he had CONFIG_NTFS_RW compiled into his kernel |
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| 00:31.29 | abrotman | Cabbage: he wasn't being all that clear on his problems or his goals |
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| 00:31.32 | dondelelcaro | Cabbage: no clue... although, the ntfs rw support is kind of flakey and/or limited... (or at least, that's what I've been told...) |
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| 00:31.49 | abrotman | paulswm: you came back!!! |
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| 00:32.13 | abrotman | burd: fun isn't it |
| 00:32.21 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: saw your message just as I left, you were quite right to castigate me, my apologies to you and quarupted |
| 00:32.22 | burd | hell yes it is lol |
| 00:32.22 | abrotman | burd: try 'robotfindskitten' |
| 00:32.47 | jordo23 | Does anyone know why when I try to enable my LAN card, which is listed in KDE's network setting's window, the checkbox for "Active" empties after a second or two....and I can't enable it? |
| 00:32.57 | paulswm | abrotman: came back to eat crow, my bad |
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| 00:33.14 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. |
| 00:33.32 | abrotman | paulswm: you wanna fight .. fight me! |
| 00:33.55 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: no worries... I can be guilty of the same thing myself... ['course, I have better weapons at my disposal, but... ;-)] |
| 00:33.58 | burd | abrotman: omg now thats just silly |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | burd: and 'filters' is fun |
| 00:34.16 | spatulasnout | hi, i just used: apt-get --compile source ... to build some packages, and it produced some .deb files... I'm wondering how to install the .deb's ? |
| 00:34.20 | paulswm | quarupted: please don't /msg me |
| 00:34.36 | tobehz | spatulasnout: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 00:34.43 | spatulasnout | tobehz: thx ! |
| 00:34.46 | tobehz | np |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | burd: my fave game is .. enigma |
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| 00:35.03 | abrotman | and paulswm is supposed to be playing enigma too |
| 00:35.21 | tobehz | ls |
| 00:35.23 | tobehz | oops |
| 00:35.31 | abrotman | !misfire |
| 00:35.37 | hever | When I go on a website with a webbrowser or any program gets an update etc. from internet it takes up to two minutes before the download starts or the site appears. In my /etc/resolv.conf are the following lines: search nameserver 192.168.69.254 when I resolve a hostname with the host command its very fast where coul the problem be ? |
| 00:35.40 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: thanks, it's been a *long* day |
| 00:36.09 | burd | abrotman: what is enigma about? |
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| 00:36.15 | abrotman | !info enigma |
| 00:36.17 | dpkg | enigma: (A game where you control a marble with the mouse), section games, is optional. Version: 0.81.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 424 kB, Installed size: 1216 kB |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | burd: a puzzle game |
| 00:36.33 | burd | abrotman: ahhh like neverball |
| 00:36.33 | dvs | hever: the search line is suppose to have some sort of domain after it. |
| 00:36.40 | dondelelcaro | hever: that can't be right. search foo.com\n nameserver 192.168.69.254 I'll believe, but not search nameserver |
| 00:36.40 | abrotman | burd: dunno .. never played that |
| 00:36.53 | takisd | hi folks |
| 00:37.09 | paulswm | abrotman: oh, yesy, I'd forgotten about enigma |
| 00:37.12 | paulswm | yes |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | hever: paste your resolv.conf in #food |
| 00:37.17 | abrotman | err #flood |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | paulswm: did you try it! |
| 00:37.21 | dabreegster | I'm trying to use sndconfig, a redhat tool, but the DEB is conflicting with pciutils |
| 00:37.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:37.23 | burd | abrotman: same thing you guide a 3D ball through mazes.. it pisses me off regularly :D |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | burd: not mazes |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | burd: puzzles |
| 00:37.35 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: sndconfig is just asking for issues |
| 00:37.43 | burd | ahh |
| 00:37.45 | paulswm | abrotman: no, I haven't yet |
| 00:37.45 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: just /msg dpkg audio; and follow the easy instructions |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | paulswm: slacker .. get on it! |
| 00:37.57 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: yeah, but so is modprobe snd-cmi8330 |
| 00:38.00 | takisd | noticed the menu items i added to gnome menu are gone - i think after upgrading gnomevfs. anyone have any ideas?? the items are all still in .gnome2/vfolders/... just not coming up |
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| 00:38.13 | burd | well I'm getting it anyhow 4MB is a long wait on this darn dialup |
| 00:38.14 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: what's wrong with just modprobe'ing it? |
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| 00:38.20 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: sound works (on OSS), but I'm trying to load an alsa module specifically for my card |
| 00:38.30 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: "PnP detection failed... device busy..." |
| 00:38.30 | paulswm | abrotman: hard week at work |
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| 00:38.38 | hever | abrotman, dondelelcaro, dvs i posted it in #flood |
| 00:38.43 | abrotman | oh crap .. |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | hever: do itt again :) |
| 00:38.51 | dvs | hever: too bad I wasn't there |
| 00:38.54 | burd | I wish there were more of the modern 3D type games available for free |
| 00:39.04 | dondelelcaro | hever: either ditch the search line, or have it be search yourdomain.net or whatever. |
| 00:39.22 | jeebe1 | hello, ok so it turns out that somehow installing the 2.6 kernel makes it appear that my dri acceleration is working for my radeon, however when I try to play game that use it they work for a few min then crash badly forcing me to reboot machine manually |
| 00:39.27 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: hrm... is this a pci or isa card? |
| 00:39.30 | abrotman | burd: there is |
| 00:39.37 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: isa, I believe |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | burd: what kind do you like? |
| 00:39.38 | jeebe1 | how can I troubleshoot it? |
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| 00:39.53 | _ideafix_ | could you take some of the bots to mepis theres no chat going on there |
| 00:39.58 | dabreegster | CMI8330 onboard audio adapter |
| 00:40.00 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: oy vay. Yeah, you may have to use isapnp to figure out what the iobase and irq you need, and then pass them to modprobe. |
| 00:40.05 | abrotman | paulswm: overrated :) |
| 00:40.15 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: oh, it's onboard? it should be pci and show up in lspci |
| 00:40.20 | burd | abrotman: I like any game that has decent controls and graphics |
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| 00:40.29 | burd | abrotman: mostly I like racing and first person shooters |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | burd: torcs.sf.net ..and it's in debian |
| 00:40.33 | paulswm | abrotman: nah, a spin is much better for real :) |
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| 00:40.41 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: lspci returns something about an ISA bridge |
| 00:40.42 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. i bet it is |
| 00:40.44 | jeebe1 | even glxgears made my computer have a bad crash |
| 00:40.58 | tobehz | jeebel: might be your card, or the module |
| 00:41.05 | jeebe1 | my card is fine |
| 00:41.06 | hever | dondelelcaro, Must I restart the network after out commenting the search line ? |
| 00:41.09 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: hrm... and the device looks like it's beyond that? well, if you're sure it's isa, use isapnp to find it. |
| 00:41.10 | tobehz | jeebel: you should compile the dri module manually |
| 00:41.11 | warhead | http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/sarge-amd64-netinst.iso Please Help! |
| 00:41.12 | dondelelcaro | hever: no |
| 00:41.14 | tobehz | mine works fine here |
| 00:41.20 | tobehz | i've gamed for hours and hours |
| 00:41.25 | tobehz | no heat problems or anything |
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| 00:41.29 | abrotman | warhead: #debian-amd64 |
| 00:41.29 | warhead | link not work........ |
| 00:41.30 | jeebe1 | yeah I was trying, but I wasn't able to do it and couldn't get any help on the matter |
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| 00:41.37 | tobehz | jeebel: let me get you a link |
| 00:41.44 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: it's in isapnptools; it should tell you what the iobase and the irq are... that should enable you to get modprobe working. |
| 00:41.47 | warhead | abrotman: I try on thet channal |
| 00:41.50 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: I'll try that. but why does modprobe fail with "device busy" and "Pnp detection failed"? |
| 00:41.52 | tobehz | really good dri module guide, took me 20 minutes |
| 00:41.52 | hever | dondelelcaro, then it doesn't work. Its as slow as before |
| 00:41.52 | shadebob | hi, Can I downgrade sarge to woody? |
| 00:41.55 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: alright, thanks |
| 00:41.59 | nmx | shadebob:no |
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| 00:42.02 | abrotman | shadebob: no |
| 00:42.03 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: probably a bug in the pnp autodetection for that card |
| 00:42.03 | abrotman | not really |
| 00:42.05 | dvs | shadebob: you can't |
| 00:42.09 | jeebe1 | cool |
| 00:42.15 | jeebe1 | all the ones I read left me hanging |
| 00:42.15 | shadebob | thanks :) |
| 00:42.26 | dondelelcaro | hever: how long does it take host to resolve a hostname that you haven't resolved before? |
| 00:42.40 | paulswm | abrotman: my first method of spin recovery was to put both hands on the dash and shout "oh shit", turned out that actually wasn't a bad way of getting out of one |
| 00:42.46 | dondelelcaro | hever: additionally, how long does it take for you to do something like telnet foohostname 80; |
| 00:42.51 | shadebob | but for you sarge is a bad or good choice for a production server? |
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| 00:42.55 | abrotman | paulswm: is there another way? |
| 00:43.01 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: once I load the module, will that module automatically handle sound or do I need to run alsaconf or something? |
| 00:43.13 | abrotman | burd: you like torcs? |
| 00:43.14 | hever | abrotman, dondelelcaro up to 1 minute or two a much a very much slower than normal... and under windows. |
| 00:43.33 | shadebob | because when I install a woody on a netserver tc2100 kernel 2.2 and 2.4 freeze :( |
| 00:43.34 | paulswm | abrotman: full rudder to stop the rotation, ease out of the dive GENTLY |
| 00:43.36 | findme | if I can play real audio in some sites, and not in others' does it mean that the other site is screwed up ? |
| 00:43.39 | dondelelcaro | hever: well, my first guess is that your nameserver is just slow |
| 00:43.48 | paulswm | see you guys, stay safe |
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| 00:44.00 | Newport | hi i compiled dri and all the kernel stuff and i know that i need to use "R100" cause thats what my ati card falls under.. i dont see anyhwere what to change my XF86Config-4 can someone help :) |
| 00:44.09 | burd | abrotman: I havent looked yet.. this dialup makes it so I have to be picky about when I move lol |
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| 00:44.13 | dondelelcaro | hever: the second guess is that you've got some sort of proxy that is taking for ever to run a connection, and you're just not seeing it in windows. |
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| 00:44.34 | abrotman | burd: gotcha |
| 00:44.41 | tobehz | jeebe1: http://www.nixnuts.net/files/README.txt |
| 00:44.47 | cafuego | 3y3 h4xx0rz y00 |
| 00:44.52 | tobehz | try that out, pretty clear cut imo |
| 00:44.53 | deadcat | do i need to have alsa-base or alsa-utils in order to load snd-powerpc? |
| 00:45.06 | tobehz | cafuego: phonetic leetness. |
| 00:45.14 | dvs | deadcat: If snd-powerpc is an ALSA driver, yes |
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| 00:45.32 | hever | dondelelcaro, ehm telnet domain.tld 80 or how should i use the command ? Its a router from the ISP for DSL in germany, you know and on the other pc on windows its fast and under linux very slow... this couldn't be the router be |
| 00:45.34 | cafuego | deadcat: Install asla-utils, it'll pull in alsa-base if it needs it. |
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| 00:46.03 | tobehz | jeebe1: that's assuming you used a kernel image from apt |
| 00:46.04 | dondelelcaro | hever: could be almost anything... |
| 00:46.05 | jeebe1 | hey thanks a lot tobehz, being strightforward is really appreciated, I'll give that guide a try |
| 00:46.09 | deadcat | dvs: well. ubuntu live detects and uses it with alsa. but i am currently only able to use it as dmasound_pmac on debian |
| 00:46.13 | shadebob | for you Sarge is dangerous on a production server? |
| 00:46.20 | hever | dondelelcaro, and you're sure I may not restart ? |
| 00:46.22 | deadcat | cafuego: ok. |
| 00:46.23 | jeebe1 | heh I just tried ubuntu and it crashed the same way with glxgears |
| 00:46.27 | dondelelcaro | hever: restarting isn't necessary. |
| 00:46.28 | quinlan | if -force-depends installed a package (which is working fine, the dep was not needed), how do I get rid of follow-on errors when doing apt-get upgrade that still whine about that dep? |
| 00:46.34 | cafuego | shadebob: Without security updates? Of course! |
| 00:46.47 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: you fix the errors. Randomly using --force-depends is not a good idea. |
| 00:46.56 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: which package is this, by the way? |
| 00:46.56 | cafuego | deadcat: I installed it last night, seems to be loading it automagically. |
| 00:46.59 | quinlan | it wasn't random, dondelelcaro :-) |
| 00:47.00 | tobehz | jeebe1: hope the guide helps you :p |
| 00:47.04 | hever | then I can't understand it... and my friends will say debian is bad |
| 00:47.04 | quinlan | a backported pyzor |
| 00:47.20 | deadcat | cafuego: you installed what? |
| 00:47.21 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: in this case, you beat down whoever fucked up, and you fix the Dependencies |
| 00:47.24 | quinlan | it wanted python2.2-gdbm, but I have python2.2 and I *know* pyzor does not use gdbm |
| 00:47.26 | hever | dondelelcaro, then I can't understand it... and my friends will say debian is bad |
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| 00:47.31 | cafuego | deadcat: Ubuntu PPC on the OldWorld G3 |
| 00:47.39 | quinlan | dondelelcaro: if you don't know the answer to the question.... ;-) |
| 00:47.41 | shadebob | cafuego : what do you mean by security update? Daily apt-get update/upgrade? or anything else? |
| 00:47.51 | deadcat | cafuego: i am not installing ubuntu. i am trying to get alsa to work on debian on the ibook g3 |
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| 00:47.57 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: hah. That's funny. |
| 00:47.58 | cafuego | shadebob: No, actual bugfixes for security holes. http://security.debian.org/ |
| 00:48.07 | jeebe1 | btw are you sure this guide is good for the 7000 series radeons? |
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| 00:48.24 | shadebob | cafuego : and with security.debian.org it's ok? |
| 00:48.35 | hever | dondelelcaro, and its confusing that the host command works so fast but all other so slow! |
| 00:48.37 | quinlan | dondelelcaro: then answer the question or tell me it's not possible :;-) |
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| 00:48.53 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: it's possible. 1) You fix the deb. This is trivial, and requires about 1 minute using dpkg-deb. |
| 00:48.54 | quinlan | oops, that was :-), not even sure what a :;-) is |
| 00:48.54 | cafuego | shadebob: Security.debian.org has no fixed software for testing. That's why you don't run it on a production server. |
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| 00:49.17 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: 2) you use equivs. This may cause other problems, because things conflict with things like pythoon2.2-gdbm |
| 00:49.20 | shadebob | ok |
| 00:49.44 | deadcat | damn packages.debian.org is down? |
| 00:49.50 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: in short, the proper course of action is #1. However, you can take course #2 if you know what you're doing. |
| 00:49.50 | quinlan | dondelelcaro: how do I fix it with dpkg-deb ? |
| 00:49.56 | hever | abrotman, the host command works fast but all other is slow like getting the connection to download a file, get a webaddress... the download is then after the connection fast |
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| 00:50.46 | dondelelcaro | quinlan: dpkg-deb -x foo.deb .; dpkg-deb --control foo.deb; fix the DEBIAN/control; dpkg-deb -b . foo.deb; |
| 00:50.55 | burd | I havent been able to view the debian site sicne I got this dialup conenction it simply times out |
| 00:51.06 | burd | btw I have 28 seconds lag right now so............ |
| 00:51.19 | Mik0 | Is there a huge difference between 600x600dpi and 1200x1200dpi laser printers? |
| 00:52.04 | Cabbage | Mik0> You mean apart from one having fours times the resolution of the other? |
| 00:52.05 | drac | Mik0: everything is doubled ;> |
| 00:52.17 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 00:52.18 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | gluck (packages.d.o) and merkel are DOWN for the weekend. |
| 00:52.18 | owlmanatt | I just installed 2.6.8-2-686 on my server (upgrade from 2.4). Whenever I try to boot, I get pivot_root no such file, /sbin/init: cannot open dev/console, kernel panic: tried to kill init. I google'd a bit, I saw that I needed a new modutils package, but I have that already. Anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 00:52.54 | dondelelcaro | diff: gluck (packages.d.o) and merkel are DOWN for the weekend. [the hosting place is getting a new circuit or something.] |
| 00:52.56 | Mik0 | I was deceiding between dell 1600n vs 1700n, its just that the 1600n is a printer/fax/copy but only downside is 600dpi and not 1200. What would you guys do in this case? |
| 00:53.28 | quinlan | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 00:53.30 | abrotman | hever: with all clients? |
| 00:53.32 | Cabbage | owlmanatt> I remember the symptom from when I did that but can't remember what causes it or how to fix it, sorry :( |
| 00:53.54 | Cabbage | Mik0> I'd go for the lowest cost-per-page. |
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| 00:54.53 | burd | Mik0: lots to consider there.. are you planning on printing general text or pictures or flyers/business cards.. |
| 00:55.07 | simonrvn | owlmanatt: module-init-tools; the debian kernels usually have an initrd you need to configure for |
| 00:55.20 | Mik0 | Text mostly. I thought it was convienient to have a copier as well. |
| 00:55.34 | hever | abrotman, host command is fast with nearly all webaddresses but the connection to it in the browser or by downloading a file is at startup very slow, then i could browse the page... therfore I thought it should something with host resolving |
| 00:55.42 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Configure for? The thing said it installed an initrd, do I need to do anything else to it? |
| 00:55.46 | Mik0 | The last printer, and only one ive onded was an HP 600c, from like 10 yrs ago lol. |
| 00:55.51 | Mik0 | onded = owned |
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| 00:56.00 | simonrvn | owlmanatt: just make sure bootloader knows about it |
| 00:56.12 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: There's an initrd line in lilo. |
| 00:56.27 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Unless Debian ignored my /etc/lilo.conf, it should work. |
| 00:56.37 | burd | Mik0: go with the cost per page theory then |
| 00:56.49 | simonrvn | run lilo yet? :) |
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| 00:57.14 | Mik0 | It was just that, because one of them has copy/fax, i thought that because the other one is solely a printer, it must be much better and higher in quality. You think that's true? |
| 00:57.16 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Er...Doesn't the post-install script do that? |
| 00:57.26 | Mik0 | They're pretty much the same price |
| 00:57.50 | simonrvn | dunno, i would anyway, just in case. and the postinst doesn't cofigure lilo for you, just tells you to do it |
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| 00:58.01 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Running lilo tells me that /proc/partitions doesn't match /dev directory structure |
| 00:58.03 | deadcat | alsa sucks on a g3 ibook |
| 00:58.13 | burd | Mik0: if it prints at twice the resolution, it DOES print nicer than the other for sure.. things to loo at are pages per minute, ink cartridge cost and milaege and your needs |
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| 00:58.15 | simonrvn | owlmanatt: doesn't matter |
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| 00:58.17 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: But it updates lilo anyway. Could that be a problem? |
| 00:58.32 | Nexus | So if I wrote a script and want to have it run every time the machine boots, where would I put it? |
| 00:58.32 | Mik0 | burd: If you can, take a look at the comparison of the two on the right: http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/laser?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=CADHS1&~ck=bt |
| 00:58.33 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Well, in that case, time to reboot and see. |
| 00:58.47 | bighead | OT: any vhdl programmers around here? |
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| 00:58.50 | Mik0 | THe prices there, do indeed vary (by alot) but my school like makes the prices the same |
| 00:58.52 | Mik0 | dunno why |
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| 00:59.20 | abrotman | hever: try another browser |
| 01:00.09 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Same errors. =/ |
| 01:00.27 | simonrvn | owlmanatt: there's omething else to check, i can't recall what |
| 01:00.29 | simonrvn | s |
| 01:00.30 | burd | Mik0: sorry I am moving way slow on dialup right now.. would take me 30 minutes to even view that atm |
| 01:00.42 | Mik0 | oh ok |
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| 01:01.09 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: /etc/initrd.conf (or something?) where you need to turn on initrds? Because I did that. |
| 01:01.13 | Zap-W | anyone here have some benchmarks about SMP configurations in linux 2.6 |
| 01:01.50 | simonrvn | owlmanatt: no, something else |
| 01:02.14 | wwalker | I have a P75 notebook and want to load linux on it to act as a dialup masqerading router. I have only a floppy drive for install boot media. no CD. PCMCIA ethernet device. What's the latest debian distro I can easily install on it.? |
| 01:02.16 | vulture | burd: patience being a virtue etc.. if you can't track unstable properly you should probably not use it (since it means you've just got exploits galore..) *shrugs* |
| 01:02.20 | tarzeau | burd: hehe, same here |
| 01:02.29 | hever | abrotman, its not the browser which is so slow... its a system setting or somehting i tried and its the same.... As I said for example loading an update for a programm out of this programm will takes also 2 minutes at the beginning, then the connection is etablished and the file could be fast downloaded... |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | burd: enigma!! |
| 01:02.48 | tarzeau | burd: but no matter what, we have sid, right? |
| 01:02.58 | tarzeau | burd: even if it's half a year old, or more |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | hever: i have no idea... check your logs to see if anyhting is apparent |
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| 01:03.19 | dondelelcaro | hever: it takes this long even if you've already resolved the name? |
| 01:03.24 | burd | tarzeau: yup and I like it too |
| 01:03.53 | burd | vulture: if you would like to exploit this machine on this 56k connection.. have at it lol |
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| 01:04.34 | simonrvn | haha |
| 01:04.51 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: Do I need udev? |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | burd: enigma!! |
| 01:05.14 | burd | enigma? |
| 01:05.17 | simonrvn | owlmanatt: no but devfs is what usually interferes with /proc/partitions |
| 01:05.30 | hever | abrotman, dondelelcaro host takes 5sec and calling the same domain in a webbrowser takes 45sec |
| 01:05.35 | owlmanatt | simonrvn: I don't think I have devfs here, nothing mentioning it in my fstab... |
| 01:05.41 | burd | oh hey it's ready lemme try this badboy |
| 01:05.56 | abrotman | hever: try anther web browser |
| 01:05.57 | dondelelcaro | hever: ok, your issue isn't the name resolution time... it's the connection establishment time. |
| 01:06.07 | dondelelcaro | hever: telnet foohost 80; will probably take just as long to connect |
| 01:06.30 | simonrvn | busy |
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| 01:06.54 | vulture | dondelelcaro: that would involve name resolution too though.. of foohost. but I still agree with your point |
| 01:07.28 | dondelelcaro | vulture: yeah, but you've got menial caching going on... if host only takes 5 seconds, establishing the connection should only take that long |
| 01:07.36 | dondelelcaro | vulture: if it's not, something is totally wrong with the network |
| 01:08.07 | hever | abrotman, antoher webserver is also so slow |
| 01:08.08 | vulture | dondelelcaro: right |
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| 01:08.23 | abrotman | hever: another browser |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 01:08.40 | Newport | hi does anyone know what dri driver a radeon card uses? |
| 01:08.40 | hever | abrotman, browser?! |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | never mind |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 01:09.03 | burd | abrotman: i like that one ty |
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| 01:09.12 | abrotman | burd: it's fun .. |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | burd: sorry if it makes you crazy |
| 01:09.24 | burd | yah made it to level 3 on normal for a start anyhow |
| 01:09.35 | burd | abrotman: neverball is the one that will make you nuts |
| 01:09.41 | hever | dondelelcaro, as you said telnet is as slow as calling it in a browser... |
| 01:09.47 | burd | abrotman: much more skill required for sure |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | burd: it's hard |
| 01:09.59 | hever | Ok then the problem is the connection establishment time... |
| 01:10.02 | dondelelcaro | hever: ok, you've got something wrong with the network here. run a traceroute to the host that you're trying to telnet too |
| 01:10.06 | dondelelcaro | s/too/to/ |
| 01:10.17 | burd | abrotman: thing I learned about neverball is to use the keys and not the mouse ;) |
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| 01:10.47 | tatoo | what can i do to print a job using CUPS w/ a printer that is part of a NT network?? |
| 01:10.59 | abrotman | smbprint ? |
| 01:11.02 | tatoo | i just can't print my jobs.. |
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| 01:11.05 | abrotman | burd: hmmm ... |
| 01:11.13 | tatoo | abrotman: i can see the whole network. |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | tatoo: ok |
| 01:11.34 | tatoo | abrotman: hold on....smbprint i didn't see it... |
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| 01:11.59 | abrotman | let's eat! |
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| 01:12.18 | vulture | ooo, ssh :) |
| 01:12.25 | burd | lol |
| 01:12.39 | vulture | and http? on dialup? |
| 01:12.57 | burd | it is just my testbed |
| 01:14.08 | hever | dondelelcaro, what should traceroute do it got 1 * * * 2 * * * 3 * * * etc... ? |
| 01:14.30 | dondelelcaro | hever: um... yeah. |
| 01:14.40 | tomb0y | lmao |
| 01:14.46 | hever | dondelelcaro, what does this mean now ? |
| 01:15.01 | dondelelcaro | hever: that means that something is blocking all udp ports and icmp time execeedes back from those hosts. |
| 01:15.07 | dondelelcaro | hever: something is very wrong with your network. |
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| 01:15.10 | samdret | what's a good backports site? |
| 01:15.22 | tomb0y | or hes not even online with that machine. |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | !backports |
| 01:15.42 | dpkg | backport is probably a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 01:16.00 | samdret | thanks. |
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| 01:16.27 | dondelelcaro | bob2: wb |
| 01:16.44 | bob2 | hm |
| 01:16.49 | bob2 | so where did the clone attack happen? |
| 01:16.55 | dondelelcaro | bob2: 09:09 PDT |
| 01:16.57 | monotreme | I'm trying to figure out how to override the alt-f1 and alt-f2 bringing up the gnome menu and "available programs" windows respectively. |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | we had clones? |
| 01:17.02 | dondelelcaro | s/PDT/PST/ |
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| 01:17.14 | abrotman | why do i miss all the cool stuff? |
| 01:17.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it was pretty cheezy, actually... 3 made it in, then they hit the join limiter and went to #debian-overflow |
| 01:17.21 | deadcat | whats goin on? |
| 01:17.24 | monotreme | I setup alt-f1 through alt-f4 to switch to workspaces 1-4, and this works for alt-f3 and f4, but it's not overriding alt-f1 and f2 |
| 01:17.24 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: here or -overflow? |
| 01:17.26 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: before they could even start, they got k-lined |
| 01:17.27 | vulture | burd: open pop3? you really better not be acting as an open relay.. |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: oh .. bummer |
| 01:17.29 | bob2 | ah |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: didn't we have one last night too? |
| 01:17.37 | abrotman | or wed night |
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| 01:17.49 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, yeah... that was a stupid one though... debhelper +b'ed them for a join flood |
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| 01:18.07 | burd | vulture: nope it is just here for testing purposes. I dont even send mail from this machine |
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| 01:18.23 | burd | vulture: and yes I know how to stop open relays |
| 01:18.49 | monotreme | anyone know why alt-f1 = workspace 1 doesn't override the gnome alt-f1 = system menu in woody? |
| 01:18.56 | thorie | what's that file called that sorts out your mail into folders? |
| 01:19.01 | dondelelcaro | thorie: procmail |
| 01:19.05 | thorie | thx |
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| 01:21.23 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: let's make one!! |
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| 01:23.38 | Cabbage|beer | Does anybody here have a really lareg filesystem (i.e. signioficantly more than 100x their RAM)? |
| 01:23.56 | devi0s | hello all. I am planning on installing Sarge tonight on an Asus 87N8X Deluxe Mobo with Radeon 9800 Video Card. I am not familiar with Debian. Is anyone available to help me out with the process? |
| 01:24.46 | vulture | devi0s: read the install guide, follow the instructions, if you have problems come and ask reasonable questions here - someone'll be around. |
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| 01:24.57 | debian | !someone |
| 01:24.57 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:25.04 | debian | !seen someone |
| 01:25.05 | dpkg | someone <~someone@modemcable125.65-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 28d 17h 59m 30s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
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| 01:25.43 | Newport | is there a package to test opengl? |
| 01:26.10 | Orcristq | test it? |
| 01:26.12 | mathieu_ | glxgears |
| 01:26.16 | Orcristq | use glxgears |
| 01:26.21 | Zoap | hey, someone have the xconfig file for S3 VIRGE MX? |
| 01:26.26 | Orcristq | you should get hundreds or thousands of fps |
| 01:26.27 | monotreme | alt f[12] bindings don't overr |
| 01:26.34 | Orcristq | if you're getting like 50, something's wrong |
| 01:26.45 | mathieu_ | it's in the package xbase-clients |
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| 01:26.59 | Skiver | Orcristq : regardless of the card ? |
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| 01:27.19 | Orcristq | yeah, I get like 300 on an old ATI rage on a P2 machine |
| 01:27.21 | Newport | yeah cause i built the dri drivers and i have a ati radeon 7200 card... but i dont know what to do now.. im loading opengl and dri but not sure what driver to use |
| 01:27.28 | Orcristq | but never that much with software rendering, it's just too slow |
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| 01:28.13 | Orcristq | there are open source or binary drivers for that card Newport |
| 01:28.26 | Newport | Orcristq, really? i havent found anything |
| 01:28.27 | Orcristq | you'll also need the restricted kernel modules for the kernel you're running |
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| 01:28.41 | Babbage | Newport> glxinfo |
| 01:29.21 | Newport | Orcristq, i think i added the kernel mods.. "drm-trunk-module-2.6.82-686_2004.11.23-1_i386.deb" |
| 01:29.40 | Newport | glxinfo gives me "693 frames in 6.0 seconds = 115.500 FPS" |
| 01:29.45 | devi0s | do you all recommend the netinstall or businesscard iso? |
| 01:30.05 | mathieu_ | Newport, that's way to slow |
| 01:30.05 | Newport | netinstall rocks if you have a high speed connection |
| 01:30.07 | Orcristq | newport, after you add the modules and the driver |
| 01:30.10 | devi0s | !digip1mp |
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| 01:30.29 | Skiver | Newport : i have GeForce2 and i've got 810+ fps with glx |
| 01:30.30 | Orcristq | you have to eitehr manually edit XFConfig or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:30.40 | Orcristq | then select the correct driver |
| 01:30.52 | Newport | Orcristq, which driver should i use? im using "radeon" |
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| 01:31.20 | Orcristq | I don't remember if the 7200 was part of the fglrx driverset or not |
| 01:31.21 | Orcristq | let me check |
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| 01:31.23 | Newport | mathieu_, Skiver, its good in a way cause i know theres something still wrong... takes the guess work out :) |
| 01:31.25 | Orcristq | one second |
| 01:31.33 | Newport | ok |
| 01:31.35 | bighead | what is the shortcut for changing virtual desktops in gnome? |
| 01:31.42 | philipp__ | abrotman, dondelelcaro but why works all under windows and not under linux ? |
| 01:31.42 | larkface_769 | help nick |
| 01:31.44 | Orcristq | no, it's older |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | philipp__: say what? |
| 01:31.58 | hever_ | abrotman, dondelelcaro but why works all under windows and not under linux ? |
| 01:31.58 | cycom | hrm. I named this screen wrong. |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:32.02 | cycom | anyhow |
| 01:32.03 | Newport | yeah 8500 is the earliest |
| 01:32.21 | Newport | i just ran fglrxconfig |
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| 01:32.34 | abrotman | hever_: i'm not sure .. i said to check your logs .. or run host,dig,nslookup in verbose mode |
| 01:32.45 | Newport | thats why i went the dri route.. but im not having luck yet |
| 01:33.24 | dondelelcaro | hever_: could be any number of things... different gateway settings, different ECN settings... |
| 01:33.28 | greg_ | wow |
| 01:33.29 | Orcristq | dri's website should have the drivers for your card, do you have those? |
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| 01:33.36 | greg_ | lots of people |
| 01:33.39 | nome | ho |
| 01:33.40 | hever_ | abrotman: dondelelcaro told me to use tracerout and my networks seems to be configured strange UPD and icmp packages are rejected or something but my question is, why works it under windows with no problems ? |
| 01:33.41 | nome | hi |
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| 01:33.52 | hever_ | ah |
| 01:34.04 | greg_ | does every one use linux? |
| 01:34.07 | Newport | Orcristq, thats my problem... i downloaded the latest "radeon" drivers but the install script fails |
| 01:34.12 | Orcristq | hmmm |
| 01:34.17 | dondelelcaro | greg_: probably. |
| 01:34.19 | nome | greg_: i feel |
| 01:34.23 | nome | :) |
| 01:34.24 | Babbage | greg_> IN this channel probably. One or two might use HURD. |
| 01:34.24 | hever_ | dondelelcaro, could I made such settings under linux and which do you think should I make ? |
| 01:34.29 | greg_ | huh |
| 01:34.35 | nome | and strongly ... i feel |
| 01:34.37 | Orcristq | hmmmm |
| 01:34.39 | nome | :) |
| 01:34.44 | greg_ | i just started using linux yesterday |
| 01:34.48 | dondelelcaro | hever_: first off, figure out why you're not able to traceroute to anything |
| 01:34.52 | Babbage | greg_> There's also Debian/BSD I think... |
| 01:34.58 | greg_ | ok |
| 01:35.04 | Babbage | Why do you ask? |
| 01:35.09 | greg_ | just wondering |
| 01:35.18 | Flimzy | Are there any tools other than cdrdao that can rip mixed audio/data CDs? |
| 01:35.18 | Babbage | Well, now you know :) |
| 01:35.22 | dondelelcaro | Babbage: there are a few of them... Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, Debian GNU/NetBSD... |
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| 01:35.32 | Babbage | dondelelcaro> yup |
| 01:35.33 | greg_ | im still messing around with linux because i started using it yesterday |
| 01:35.33 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: cdparanoia iirc. |
| 01:35.37 | Newport | i get "Makefile:182: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Stop" when i try to compile |
| 01:35.38 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: that does only audio |
| 01:35.47 | Orcristq | newport |
| 01:35.50 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: as does cdda2wav |
| 01:35.54 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: that's not really a big deal... the data you can rip off using dd... |
| 01:36.01 | Babbage | Newport> Did you do "make menuconfig" before starting? |
| 01:36.03 | Orcristq | try reconfiguring xserver and selecting 'ati' from the driver list |
| 01:36.20 | Babbage | greg_> How're you finding it so far? |
| 01:36.32 | Orcristq | use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:36.36 | Orcristq | then poke in all your options |
| 01:36.42 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: hmm, maybe |
| 01:36.43 | Newport | Babbage, your talking about recompile kernel.. this is a install script for dri... errr on second thought let me go that in the source dir.. maybe its missing? |
| 01:36.46 | Orcristq | it's just simpler than hacking through your xf86 config |
| 01:36.51 | hever_ | dondelelcaro, and how ? |
| 01:36.58 | Orcristq | then restart x and do glxgears again |
| 01:37.00 | greg_ | Babbage: its good, ive had some problems but ive figured out most of them |
| 01:37.10 | larkface_769 | help ctcp |
| 01:37.13 | nome | Newport: problems with ati and dri? |
| 01:37.29 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Is that possible if there are multiple datatracks? |
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| 01:37.44 | Babbage | greg_> Have you seen http://www.tldp.org/ and http://www.debianplanet.org/ ? |
| 01:37.49 | shadebob | hi, I'm using an iptable script and all kernel message are displayed on my console :( How can I redirect this messages to a file? |
| 01:37.50 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: um... should be. I don't remember exactly how the multi-session disks are laid out |
| 01:37.57 | Newport | nome, exactlly :) |
| 01:38.03 | greg_ | Babbage: no, ill write them down though |
| 01:38.14 | greg_ | Babbage: i use knoppix |
| 01:38.34 | Babbage | greg_> It's good. Can be tricky to get stuff to save between sessions though. |
| 01:38.35 | nome | Newport: i have nvidia but i know there are some problems with ati and addresses |
| 01:38.38 | owlmanatt | I just installed 2.6.8-2-686 on my server (upgrade from 2.4). Whenever I try to boot, I get pivot_root no such file, /sbin/init: cannot open dev/console, kernel panic: tried to kill init. I google'd a bit, I saw that I needed a new modutils package, but I have that already. Anyone know what's wrong? I've tried with 2.6 and 2.4.27, it boots fine with 2.4.16. |
| 01:38.43 | hever_ | dondelelcaro, Im a newbie in this and don't know what I could do to find out whats the problem. |
| 01:38.44 | caphuso | shadebob: use a less intrusive log level |
| 01:39.04 | *** mode/#debian [+l 754] by debhelper |
| 01:39.20 | Babbage | shadebob: "man syslog.conf" |
| 01:39.20 | nome | Newport: try a dmesg | grep dri |
| 01:39.30 | greg_ | Babbage: i have it installed on my second hd, its set up so it dual boots Knoppix/Winxp |
| 01:39.36 | Babbage | Ah |
| 01:39.37 | shadebob | caphuso : ok babbage : thanks |
| 01:39.40 | zakame | owlmanatt: did you upgrade to the latest? |
| 01:39.45 | owlmanatt | zakame: Yessir |
| 01:39.50 | nome | Newport: i feel the problem is related to mttr .... |
| 01:39.53 | dondelelcaro | hever_: how exactly is this network that you're plugged into set up? |
| 01:39.58 | nome | Newport: but i'm not sure |
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| 01:40.07 | zakame | owlmanatt: and it still doesn't work? |
| 01:40.27 | nome | Newport: dmesg |grep mttr also |
| 01:40.31 | zakame | owlmanatt: what's your root fs? |
| 01:40.36 | owlmanatt | zakame: ext3 |
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| 01:41.03 | zakame | owlmanatt: is it data=journal or data=ordered? |
| 01:41.15 | owlmanatt | zakame: Er, I think journal. |
| 01:41.15 | Paco | where is the kernel source directory in debian? (I am trying to install pcmcia) |
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| 01:41.48 | zakame | owlmanatt: try adding rootflags=data=journal to your kernel params then... |
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| 01:41.52 | nome | Paco: it depends if you're using a precompiled kernel |
| 01:41.56 | Newport | nome, nothing in there |
| 01:41.59 | hever | dondelelcaro, I've got a router from the "Detusche Telekom Eumex 704PC LAN" its connected to a DSL Modem. In this router is a dhcp. I'm connected to this router by my notebook and ethernet. The router is everytime connected to the internet and I got a IP from it and that was it. |
| 01:42.00 | jordo23 | Anyone know how to install a network adapter in Debian? |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | hever: you have a firewall setup in lnux |
| 01:42.09 | Newport | nome, dri would prob work for me .. i think im doing something wrong |
| 01:42.09 | spacedude | . |
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| 01:42.33 | Orcristq | what exactly would I have to do to get my tty consoles to increase resolution, and maybe add a background of sorts (i.e. the ctrl-alt-f1 console in suse) |
| 01:42.35 | dondelelcaro | hever: ok, and is this router filtering packets or anything? |
| 01:42.43 | Orcristq | can I do that with inittab? |
| 01:42.47 | Orcristq | it looks like crap atm |
| 01:42.50 | hever | abrotman, I've got a fresh sarge system and not set up any iptables or something |
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| 01:42.50 | abrotman | didnt' you get banned? |
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| 01:42.52 | Paco | (nome): yes, it is precompiled |
| 01:43.11 | nvz | I can see someone suing KDE over this damn startup sound.. it rattles my whole freakin house just with this $30 set of speakers with a 3" sub on like 50% |
| 01:43.12 | gjm1 | hi |
| 01:43.15 | abrotman | hever: you're using the same dns servers in both? |
| 01:43.22 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 01:43.24 | nome | Newport: i'm sorry but i'm using nvidia .. i just know this is not the first time i read it |
| 01:43.32 | zakame | nvz: heh |
| 01:43.34 | nome | Newport: i'm sorry |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | have any of you tried GRAMPS ? |
| 01:43.46 | hever | dondelelcaro, I think so. But I've forwarded all packages to all pcs by IP Protocol 17 |
| 01:43.48 | nome | Paco: you need headers |
| 01:43.48 | zakame | abrotman: what's that? |
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| 01:43.59 | peterS | nvz: btw, I forgot to tell you, your little "stillers are gowen to da super bowl song" line, and surrounding, made my quotes file |
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| 01:44.05 | hever | abrotman, the router dns is set to 0.0.0.0 |
| 01:44.06 | nome | Paco: you hasn't any dir with an kernel-image |
| 01:44.09 | jordo23 | Abrotman: Do you know how to install a network adapter? |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | !info gramps |
| 01:44.13 | dpkg | gramps: (Genealogical Research and Analysis Management Program), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6161 kB, Installed size: 14128 kB |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | jordo23: you were told a few days ago .. don't address me |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | jordo23: and you got banned for it last time |
| 01:44.30 | nvz | peterS: you never heard da stiller are gowen to da super bowl? |
| 01:44.32 | Paco | (nome): i cant seem to find it |
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| 01:44.39 | jordo23 | Sorry... |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | hever: that's not right |
| 01:44.42 | peterS | nvz: I have not |
| 01:44.50 | jordo23 | i just need help with my network adapter and debian. |
| 01:45.00 | DarkPainter | HEY! |
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| 01:45.00 | nome | Paco: apt-get install kernel-header-"uname -r" |
| 01:45.08 | Newport | what cheap 3d card works easy with debian? |
| 01:45.15 | hever | abrotman, in the manual stands I've to change this value only if a dns server is in the network which will make the dns |
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| 01:45.24 | DarkPainter | i got sarge onto my old laptop... but all i get is a login thing and when i login... what do i do now? |
| 01:45.26 | nvz | peterS: oh well.. |
| 01:45.30 | Narg | whats the default ftpserver port on debian? 21? |
| 01:45.33 | nvz | !yinzersmite peterS |
| 01:45.38 | DarkPainter | dont tell me thats all linux is, is a big black screen with text... |
| 01:45.44 | peterS | nice |
| 01:45.51 | swatikiss | DarkPainter, install X, gnome |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | hever: english |
| 01:45.54 | nome | Newport: check some /proc/driver/..... |
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| 01:46.12 | hever | abrotman, ?! |
| 01:46.16 | nvz | peterS: I'm working on it.. as greycat pointed out the other 3 responses have issues. |
| 01:46.19 | hever | abrotman, in the manual stands I've to change this value only if a dns server is in the network which will make the dns |
| 01:46.24 | Newport | nome, u dont happen to know which driver i should use for a radeon 7200 do ya? |
| 01:46.25 | DarkPainter | um... |
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| 01:46.34 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:46.34 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:46.44 | abrotman | hever: you're still not making sense |
| 01:46.45 | Newport | nome, "ati" or "radeon" give me aweful performace |
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| 01:46.51 | abrotman | hever: is this like a dlink router? |
| 01:46.56 | nome | Newport: i red ati can manage itself the correct module to load |
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| 01:47.13 | greg_ | whats IPtraf? |
| 01:47.16 | DarkPainter | um...how do i install that stuff ur talkin about swat? and im logged in, and stuck there lol |
| 01:47.17 | nome | Newport: ask if someone is using ati |
| 01:47.19 | hever | abrotman, ? whats a dlink router ? Its an eumex 704pc |
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| 01:47.36 | Newport | i have.. no luck so fare |
| 01:47.41 | nome | Newport: anyway it should be explayned in some files |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | hever: what kind of router is it? |
| 01:48.05 | irc | Anyone have any luck getting the S3V Unichrome to work on Woody? |
| 01:48.34 | nome | Newport: check ... cat /proc/ and type tab |
| 01:48.38 | hever | abrotman, hmm... ? I don't know what you want to hear |
| 01:48.55 | nome | Newport: sorry cat /proc/driver/ maybe ati |
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| 01:49.07 | nome | Newport: you'll have some infos |
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| 01:49.41 | abrotman | hever: well .. regardless ... something is wrong with your box |
| 01:49.43 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 01:49.44 | dpkg | i guess unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. |
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| 01:49.46 | Newport | nome, all i have is emu10k1 rtc snd-page-alloc uhci |
| 01:50.20 | nome | Newport: nvidia gives me some good infos from there ... |
| 01:50.35 | nome | Newport: i can't help you more ...... |
| 01:50.44 | DarkPainter | ok lemme rephraze this then... ive got a fresh install of sarge... and ive just logged in....... now what? and, how if anyone wants to take the time to help... |
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| 01:51.06 | nome | Newport: normally in the drivers source there are useful infos |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you tell us .. what do you want to do? |
| 01:51.19 | DarkPainter | um |
| 01:51.27 | Newport | nome, i would look there but im not sure which druiver to use :) |
| 01:51.32 | Paco | nome:okay |
| 01:51.46 | irc | I'll check it out. Strachge thing is Knopix comes right up without a hitch on the Unichrome |
| 01:51.50 | DarkPainter | im a former windows user so i was kinda hoping there would be some kind of "desktop" instead of just a black screen with text... |
| 01:52.06 | abrotman | DarkPainter: what?!??! you want a GUI!!!? |
| 01:52.09 | nome | Newport: i think it not really important ... ati can see if you need something else |
| 01:52.16 | devi0s | any good tips/gotchas/must-knows/links/howtos/etc. for setting up radeon 9800 on sarge? |
| 01:52.16 | nvz | DarkPainter: heh, there are lots of em, if it would make you more comfortable |
| 01:52.19 | DarkPainter | um... yea... why so shocked? |
| 01:52.21 | nome | Newport: try radeon anyway ... |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | DarkPainter: do you know if you prefer a certain desktop? |
| 01:52.38 | DarkPainter | i now nothing about linux... lol |
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| 01:52.49 | abrotman | DarkPainter: but you got debian installed? |
| 01:52.57 | nvz | DarkPainter: apt-get install kde-base |
| 01:52.58 | DarkPainter | yea... on an OLD and i mean old, laptop |
| 01:53.02 | abrotman | nvz: no god no! |
| 01:53.05 | nvz | heh |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | no kde |
| 01:53.11 | DarkPainter | lmao @ ab |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | for the love of god |
| 01:53.13 | DarkPainter | lmao |
| 01:53.16 | DarkPainter | whats the matter? |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | DarkPainter: there is more than one GUI for linux |
| 01:53.33 | DarkPainter | alright... |
| 01:53.35 | abrotman | DarkPainter: everyone has a preference |
| 01:53.35 | nome | any pinguins that can help me on editing a linuxrc file? |
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| 01:53.49 | abrotman | DarkPainter: the two main ones are kde and gnome .. www.kde.org and www.gnome.org |
| 01:53.49 | DarkPainter | well, which ones good for newbies lol |
| 01:53.58 | DarkPainter | ah! websites! excellent! |
| 01:53.59 | Paco | (nome): it said "couldn't find package" |
| 01:53.59 | devi0s | kde, gnome |
| 01:54.00 | abrotman | DarkPainter: do you have a box with a web browser? |
| 01:54.12 | nvz | I just installed kde-base it added about 35 packages.. I am going to try and set it up for the kid.. I got her using a stripped down gnome-session without nautilus or megashitty.. but gnome-session is buggy as hell so I need to try something else |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | DarkPainter: like a windows box? |
| 01:54.15 | zakame | or try ion |
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| 01:54.21 | nome | Paco: type uname -r |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | zakame: did you look at gramps ? |
| 01:54.28 | DarkPainter | yea abrotman i HAD windows installed |
| 01:54.32 | nome | Paco: than tell me the output |
| 01:54.34 | DarkPainter | now only sarge is installed |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you have no windows anymore? |
| 01:54.38 | DarkPainter | from net install |
| 01:54.39 | abrotman | DarkPainter: anywhere? |
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| 01:54.46 | DarkPainter | nope its gone |
| 01:54.56 | Paco | nome:2.4.27-1-386 |
| 01:54.58 | zakame | abrotman: no, i missed it... checking the backlog... |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | DarkPainter: this is amazing .. you've gotten sarge installed .. and an irc client? |
| 01:55.03 | DarkPainter | nope |
| 01:55.10 | DarkPainter | im not on my linux computer |
| 01:55.12 | nvz | I basically just need large 48x48 or 64x64 pixel icons and menus/drawers which I had nicely done with gnome-panel |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | DarkPainter: oh . which are you on? |
| 01:55.34 | DarkPainter | im on my dimention 8400 with xp pro... i have my sarge laptop up and logged in... |
| 01:55.40 | nome | Paco: now type apt-cache search 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | DarkPainter: regardless .. look at kde.org and gnome.org ... pick one .. we'll help you get it setup |
| 01:55.58 | abrotman | nome: i think it's -2 now |
| 01:56.03 | Flimzy | How can I make an exact copy of a multi-session CD? |
| 01:56.19 | nome | abrotman: in unstable |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | nome: i know |
| 01:56.29 | DarkPainter | alright i appreciate it abrotman i'll be back when i pick one. thanks so much again |
| 01:56.30 | zakame | Flimzy: cdrdao |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | Flimzy: make an iso |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | DarkPainter: np |
| 01:56.47 | Paco | (nome): it says a lot of information..about two lines worth of info |
| 01:56.50 | Flimzy | abrotman: An ISO only contains one session. |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | Flimzy: erm .. ok |
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| 01:57.39 | Flimzy | abrotman: So a multi-session data CD contains multiple ISOs... I still need to know how to retrieve them :) |
| 01:57.57 | abrotman | DarkPainter: http://kde.org/screenshots/ and http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-eight-screenshots/html/index.html |
| 01:58.05 | DarkPainter | it came with windows 98 installed |
| 01:58.05 | zakame | Flimzy: why would you want to copy even the multisession TOC? |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | Flimzy: you lost me there |
| 01:58.08 | Flimzy | zakame: that's what I've been playing with... only trouble is, I can't find any way to get cdrdao to tell me if it encountered a read error. |
| 01:58.13 | DarkPainter | hmm |
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| 01:58.34 | wwalker | which images do I need to do a notebook install via pcmcia NIC and booing from floppy? no CD :( |
| 01:58.35 | nome | Paco: in you /etc/apt/sources.list you have testing or unstable |
| 01:58.39 | nome | ? |
| 01:58.40 | DarkPainter | WOA!!!! |
| 01:58.42 | Flimzy | zakame: for mixed audio/data CDs, at least. |
| 01:58.52 | DarkPainter | THOSE SCREENSHOTS ARE FUCKIN AWESOME!!! |
| 01:58.54 | Flimzy | zakame: And for data CDs with multiple filesystems (i.e. ISO9660 and HFS) |
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| 01:59.04 | abrotman | DarkPainter: lay off the caps :) |
| 01:59.09 | Paco | (nome): testing |
| 01:59.14 | DarkPainter | yes sir... just a bit excited |
| 01:59.16 | abrotman | DarkPainter: http://kde.org/screenshots/kde3 .. is actually the one in sarge |
| 01:59.29 | zakame | Flimzy: oic. well, technically you can make a copy with dd, trouble is I haven't done taht yet... maybe sdd or even readcd? |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | err |
| 01:59.31 | nome | Paco: i check one think and i came back |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | DarkPainter: http://kde.org/screenshots/kde330shots.php .. there we go |
| 01:59.45 | Flimzy | zakame: AFAICT, dd will only read the first session |
| 01:59.46 | hever_ | abrotman, dondelelcaro What should I forward that its working ? I forwarded all of the IP Protocoll 1 and 17 to my machine something else ? |
| 02:00.05 | DarkPainter | well um... i cant see anything but whats after u log in... a black screen with some copyright warning so... anyone wanna hold my hand ? lol |
| 02:00.08 | Paco | (nome): i did check..it is testing |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | DarkPainter: did you pick a desktop? |
| 02:00.24 | DarkPainter | no... |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:00.36 | DarkPainter | dude abrotman, i just did a web install... |
| 02:00.44 | nome | Paco: i check the exact name for your headers |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | DarkPainter: i know .. but you want a gui ... let's get that first |
| 02:01.12 | DarkPainter | ok so... what do we do lol |
| 02:01.15 | Paco | (nome): how do i do that? |
| 02:01.19 | DarkPainter | and am i doing this the normal way? |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you look at the screenshots ... |
| 02:01.22 | zakame | Flimzy: what you probably need is a dd that uses scsi commands directly, probably bypassing and kernel interference... |
| 02:01.32 | Flimzy | zakame: maybe so |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | DarkPainter: apparently you're doing better than average |
| 02:01.44 | Flimzy | zakame: does such a program exist? |
| 02:01.57 | DarkPainter | cool, considering i failed on getting it on my dimention 8400... i tried it on my latitude c600. bingo on the latitude (laptop) |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | DarkPainter: that's odd :) |
| 02:02.16 | DarkPainter | well |
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| 02:02.31 | zakame | Flimzy: dunno, but it would make a great FOSS project i think ;D |
| 02:02.34 | nome | Paco: it seems you have to uograde your kernel to 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:02.40 | Flimzy | zakame: FOSS? |
| 02:02.45 | zakame | anyone up to it? |
| 02:02.46 | hever_ | abrotman, dondelelcaro What should I forward that its working ? I forwarded all of the IP Protocoll 1 and 17 to my machine something else ? |
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| 02:02.54 | devi0s | how do I do a fake apt-get install kde, so I can see the list of things that would be installed? |
| 02:02.55 | abrotman | hever_: not that i know of |
| 02:02.57 | DarkPainter | i think i like kde... but some of the gnome ones look cool |
| 02:02.59 | zakame | Free and Open Source Software |
| 02:03.04 | kirbymeister | I hate KDE |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | devi0s: apt-get -u install kde |
| 02:03.07 | nome | abrotman: as you told |
| 02:03.09 | wwalker | which images do I need to do a notebook install via pcmcia NIC and booing from floppy? no CD :( |
| 02:03.13 | hever_ | abrotman, IP Protocol 6 ? |
| 02:03.14 | abrotman | nome: que? |
| 02:03.16 | kirbymeister | GNOME has such a better interface |
| 02:03.18 | abrotman | hever_: not sure |
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| 02:03.23 | DarkPainter | howcome kirby |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | wwalker: try sarge d-i |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | !tell wwalker about d-i |
| 02:03.37 | nome | abrotman: version 2 also for testing |
| 02:03.43 | Paco | (nome): there is documentation for that...if i have questions,i will ask later...BUT, tell me why i have to upgrade? |
| 02:03.44 | abrotman | nome: i'm so confused |
| 02:03.47 | kirbymeister | KDE looks childish compared to the GNOME themes |
| 02:03.51 | kirbymeister | IMHO |
| 02:03.53 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 02:03.57 | DarkPainter | i see what you mean kirb |
| 02:04.06 | abrotman | DarkPainter: did you get to the gnome screenshots yet? |
| 02:04.08 | DarkPainter | alright... what are the advantages to each of them? |
| 02:04.11 | DarkPainter | yea i did |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | DarkPainter: practically .. they're basically the same |
| 02:04.35 | mtqh | What provides xml-config |
| 02:04.39 | DarkPainter | neither is going to let me do more than the other? |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | DarkPainter: people have interface preferences .. |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | DarkPainter: not really .. not unless you're a develoer |
| 02:04.52 | DarkPainter | so its just about how it looks, thats it? |
| 02:04.58 | nome | Paco: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | !tell mtqh about search |
| 02:05.04 | abrotman | DarkPainter: and feel .. |
| 02:05.12 | DarkPainter | linux developer? or web developer...and stuff |
| 02:05.16 | abrotman | nome: oh .. now i know what you mean! :) |
| 02:05.21 | zakame | abrotman: true... some even don't have interfaces at all :D |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | DarkPainter: linux developer |
| 02:05.30 | DarkPainter | oh alright |
| 02:05.35 | DarkPainter | well i guess gnome looks better |
| 02:05.35 | abrotman | DarkPainter: web developer is another ball of wax |
| 02:05.38 | nome | abrotman: spanish? |
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| 02:05.46 | DarkPainter | well i do make html webpages and stuff... |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | DarkPainter: apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system-core |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | nome: no habla espanol :) |
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| 02:06.15 | abrotman | nome: not anything your grandmohter would want to hear anyways |
| 02:06.36 | DarkPainter | thats a command i run, where it says linuxc600:~# right? |
| 02:06.37 | nome | abrotman: i'm not spanish :D |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | zakame: that gramps has a freaking odd interface |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | DarkPainter: exactly |
| 02:06.56 | DarkPainter | ok 1 sec lemme try it |
| 02:06.59 | Paco | (nome): it says cannot find package |
| 02:06.59 | abrotman | DarkPainter: and also . unless you have to .. you're not supposed to run stuff as root |
| 02:06.59 | DarkPainter | what exactly will it do |
| 02:07.10 | abrotman | DarkPainter: install *a lot* of stuff |
| 02:07.11 | DarkPainter | ooo really? |
| 02:07.21 | DarkPainter | so i should logout and log into my user then? |
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| 02:07.33 | abrotman | DarkPainter: don't worry about it right now .. |
| 02:07.34 | nome | Paco: check /etc/apt/source.list |
| 02:07.40 | zakame | abrotman: heh, fit for seniors? |
| 02:07.43 | DarkPainter | no i logged into my user account im out of root |
| 02:07.45 | abrotman | DarkPainter: but under normal circumstances .log in as a normal person |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | zakame: i can't figure out the reports |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you have to be root to run that line |
| 02:08.08 | nome | Paco: sources.list |
| 02:08.10 | DarkPainter | aww fuck |
| 02:08.18 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you can su |
| 02:08.24 | Paco | (nome): i have it up in front of me |
| 02:08.27 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 02:08.37 | DarkPainter | ok lemme scroll up and find that line again |
| 02:08.47 | abrotman | DarkPainter: apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system-core |
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| 02:08.49 | zakame | abrotman: it could be the matrix oohh. |
| 02:08.54 | nome | Paco: do you see some char like this # |
| 02:08.58 | nome | chars |
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| 02:09.06 | DarkPainter | ok i got it |
| 02:09.09 | akusarujin | is there any way that i can redirect traffic on my machine from one ip to another? i.e. instead of sending info to 1.2.3.4 send it to 2.3.4.5? maybe /etc/hosts? |
| 02:09.16 | DarkPainter | now whats gonna happen |
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| 02:09.19 | FieldySnuts | iptables |
| 02:09.20 | abrotman | zakame: it's weird .. not the most intuitive interface .. but i would like my mom to do this crap :) |
| 02:09.21 | Paco | (nome): yep, but only before the first line, which is the sarge cdrom |
| 02:09.26 | akusarujin | FieldySnuts, iptables only? |
| 02:09.30 | FieldySnuts | possibly routing |
| 02:09.40 | FieldySnuts | something like that |
| 02:09.42 | abrotman | iptables for the linux box ... |
| 02:09.46 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | you can force a router to do it .. |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | but if you only want one port .. iptables |
| 02:10.06 | akusarujin | hmm |
| 02:10.09 | akusarujin | i want any port really |
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| 02:10.10 | FieldySnuts | it'll do all ports |
| 02:10.23 | DarkPainter | ok should i hit enter? apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system-core |
| 02:10.31 | akusarujin | setting up iptables on a client machine sounds like overkill though.. |
| 02:10.32 | abrotman | DarkPainter: yes |
| 02:10.32 | zakame | abrotman: heh |
| 02:10.37 | wwalker | whats the difference in /debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy and /debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/access? both directories contain the same 4 image names, but the images look different (time stamps) |
| 02:10.40 | DarkPainter | =/ |
| 02:10.47 | DarkPainter | *hits enter and prepares for the worst* |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | wwalker: ask #debian-boot |
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| 02:11.09 | abrotman | DarkPainter: how much damage? |
| 02:11.16 | DarkPainter | its unpackin shit |
| 02:11.18 | DarkPainter | lol |
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| 02:11.20 | abrotman | no way? |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | it can't be |
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| 02:11.26 | DarkPainter | "4%" |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | that's downloading |
| 02:11.36 | DarkPainter | i know lol |
| 02:11.41 | DarkPainter | im not THAT stupid =P |
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| 02:11.48 | abrotman | at least you have broadband |
| 02:11.49 | JeaLouS | guys i have wooddy |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | ice |
| 02:11.56 | DarkPainter | im a pretty advanced windows user... i wanted the challenge so im trying sarge on an old hard drive |
| 02:11.57 | JeaLouS | i want a list of latest packages |
| 02:12.00 | DarkPainter | no goin back now i guess |
| 02:12.02 | JeaLouS | any site to add ? |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | !tell JeaLouS about woody->sarge |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | JeaLouS: that's not the latest .. but until you're advanced .. it's where you shold be |
| 02:12.36 | DarkPainter | so what should happen after this is done abrot |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | DarkPainter: it will install a bunch of stuff .. and ask you to configure some of it |
| 02:12.56 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | DarkPainter: like the driver for your video card etc |
| 02:13.03 | DarkPainter | lots of configuring with linux huh? lol |
| 02:13.05 | DarkPainter | oh shit |
| 02:13.08 | DarkPainter | i dont have that |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you don't have what? |
| 02:13.18 | DarkPainter | i dont have that driver... |
| 02:13.22 | DarkPainter | its an OLD computer |
| 02:13.30 | DarkPainter | like 1993 or something |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | DarkPainter: what kind of video card is it? |
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| 02:13.37 | DarkPainter | radeon mobility m3 |
| 02:13.39 | pirlouit | hello |
| 02:13.49 | abrotman | DarkPainter: when it asks .. pick the .. ati driver |
| 02:13.50 | devi0s | tell me this system name isn't funny: SargaliciousD |
| 02:13.51 | zakame | DarkPainter: 1993!?!?! |
| 02:13.54 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : thanks for now |
| 02:13.55 | DarkPainter | yea |
| 02:13.58 | DarkPainter | its a fuckin laptop man |
| 02:14.01 | abrotman | DarkPainter: how big is the harddrive? |
| 02:14.03 | DarkPainter | dell latitude c600 |
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| 02:14.07 | pirlouit | is there a python 2.3.x or 2.4.x backport for woody ? |
| 02:14.07 | DarkPainter | oh its a 20 gig |
| 02:14.17 | abrotman | pirlouit: check backports.org or .. apt-get.org |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | !info python woody |
| 02:14.33 | DarkPainter | but i left 3 gig un-partitioned in case i wanted to do something else with it |
| 02:14.34 | dpkg | python: (An interactive object-oriented scripting language (default version)), section interpreters, is standard. Version: 2.1.3-3 (woody), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 02:14.40 | pirlouit | abrotman: i did check backports.org, nada |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | pirlouit: SOL |
| 02:14.53 | DarkPainter | lmao |
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| 02:15.08 | useruser | I have a problem with my kernel: my keyboard is completely disabled sometimes when I insert a certain pcmcia card. Does anyone have any suggestions on debugging this? |
| 02:15.22 | pirlouit | tnx |
| 02:15.26 | DarkPainter | which pcmcia card |
| 02:15.29 | abrotman | pirlouit: maybe ask #python |
| 02:15.34 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : can i use apt-get with rh |
| 02:15.45 | abrotman | JeaLouS: #redhat .. i have no idea |
| 02:15.47 | devi0s | any good tips/gotchas/must-knows/links/howtos/etc. for setting up radeon 9800 on sarge? |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | JeaLouS: aren't you on debian? |
| 02:15.53 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 02:15.54 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 02:15.54 | pirlouit | good idea |
| 02:16.01 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : yeah i'm on debian |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:16.08 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck ati |
| 02:16.08 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you smoking crack? |
| 02:16.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:16.12 | nmx | last time i checked, there was no 3d support for the radeon 9800 |
| 02:16.14 | DarkPainter | ati is awesome |
| 02:16.15 | deadcat | JeaLouS: he wants you to ask in #redhat |
| 02:16.20 | FieldySnuts | don't even tell me some lamer told him to forget fuck |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | @fuck FieldySnuts |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | erm ... wtf |
| 02:16.36 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 02:16.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: factinfo fuck |
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| 02:16.45 | devi0s | abrotman, does that mean i will need to custom-compile my kernel? |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think he just died |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | devi0s: huh? |
| 02:16.51 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: looks like some joker is telling ravenbird to forget things |
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| 02:16.56 | linuxclub | hy |
| 02:16.59 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: or maybe he died, like abrotman says |
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| 02:17.00 | linuxclub | i am paolo |
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| 02:17.06 | linuxclub | i got a problem |
| 02:17.06 | devi0s | abrotman, Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel |
| 02:17.08 | DarkPainter | !fuck DarkPainter |
| 02:17.08 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 02:17.08 | ravenbird | salut, fieldysnuts |
| 02:17.11 | linuxclub | i got a problem |
| 02:17.12 | DarkPainter | rofl |
| 02:17.13 | abrotman | devi0s: oh .. i odn't hitnk so |
| 02:17.18 | simonrvn | @status |
| 02:17.18 | ravenbird | Since Fri Jan 28 11:25:02 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 13 questions, 8 dunnos, 0 morons and 11 commands. I have been awake for 14h 52m 17s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 20768 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 151.66/23.9 child 0.1/0.14 |
| 02:17.23 | simonrvn | oh, sec |
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| 02:17.32 | FieldySnuts | heh i love how morons is a stat |
| 02:17.37 | linuxclub | i want install on g3 apple pwerpc the debian or gentoo |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:17.42 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 02:17.44 | DarkPainter | !fuck FieldySnuts |
| 02:17.48 | FieldySnuts | we want you to stop repeating and ask actual questions |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | !it |
| 02:17.50 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 02:17.56 | simonrvn | @status |
| 02:17.57 | ravenbird | Since Fri Jan 28 11:25:02 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 13 questions, 8 dunnos, 0 morons and 11 commands. I have been awake for 14h 52m 56s this session, and currently reference 20644 factoids. I'm using about 20768 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 151.99/23.94 child 0.1/0.14 |
| 02:18.00 | deadcat | linuxclub: just ask the damn question already. |
| 02:18.01 | DarkPainter | 90% abrot! |
| 02:18.03 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | DarkPainter: that's some good bandwidth you've got |
| 02:18.10 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck me |
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| 02:18.15 | nmx | i want question the ask clearly |
| 02:18.18 | DarkPainter | lmao |
| 02:18.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: did some tough guy remove it? |
| 02:18.24 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: i haven't a clue |
| 02:18.27 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 02:18.31 | FieldySnuts | meant for simonrvn sorry, tired |
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| 02:18.48 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: nah, some crap with OOM-killer earlier |
| 02:18.51 | DarkPainter | 96... |
| 02:18.52 | nome | Paco ? |
| 02:18.53 | DarkPainter | 97.... |
| 02:18.56 | jordo23 | Does anyone know how to setup a 3com ethernet adapter with an intel chipset to Debian? |
| 02:18.57 | DarkPainter | 98.... |
| 02:19.00 | nome | he left |
| 02:19.00 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: guess i missed it, thanks |
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| 02:19.09 | FieldySnuts | 3com with an intel chipset. uh no. |
| 02:19.12 | devi0s | hahahah - I just did debian sarge net install, and screwed up the package selection and ended up not installing anything but base system... first command: "apt-get install kde" |
| 02:19.14 | simonrvn | DarkPainter: do you have a question, or you're just going to annoy people? |
| 02:19.17 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: np |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: he's counting |
| 02:19.31 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: moron DarkPainter |
| 02:19.33 | dca_ | if i install 2.6 kernel from the debian net install disk, does it include multi proc support? |
| 02:19.33 | ravenbird | DarkPainter: You are moron #20 |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | he's gluing the beer back on the wall |
| 02:19.36 | simonrvn | counting what? |
| 02:19.38 | jordo23 | FieldySnuts: Do you know how to install an ethernet adapter? |
| 02:19.43 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | simonrvn: 100% of gnome downloaded |
| 02:19.44 | DarkPainter | uh raven wth? |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | ravenbird: what are you |
| 02:19.54 | FieldySnuts | jordo23: wenas why is the sky blue lol lol |
| 02:19.55 | ravenbird | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:19.56 | deadcat | jordo23: pci or pcmcia? |
| 02:20.05 | JeaLouS | my tasksel don;t work |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | thank god |
| 02:20.30 | simonrvn | jordo23: turn off machine, insert into PCI slot, turn on machine, modprobe driver, done |
| 02:20.31 | Chameleon22 | where can i find sourcse lists for australia |
| 02:20.31 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Pci |
| 02:20.32 | Chameleon22 | ? |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | DarkPainter: talk here please |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | DarkPainter: ravenbird is a bot |
| 02:20.40 | nome | is there someone able to boot debian from a firewire hd? |
| 02:20.56 | abrotman | DarkPainter: do you have ATI as a choice? |
| 02:20.58 | dca_ | if i install 2.6 kernel from the debian net install disk, does it include multi proc support? or is that a custom debian install/kernel install? |
| 02:21.03 | jordo23 | Simonrvn: It's the internal ethernet adapter in my dell 8200 laptop. |
| 02:21.07 | deadcat | jordo23: try modconf and go to the network section and try out all those 3com modules. if it fails go to next module. |
| 02:21.08 | Chameleon22 | where can i find sourcse lists for australia? |
| 02:21.10 | DarkPainter | abrot look at your windows |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | DarkPainter: i'm not real good with the X drivers thing .. but i'd guess ati is what you want |
| 02:21.17 | devi0s | nome: system's bios would need to be capable of booting from firewire hdd |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | DarkPainter: i'd rather talk here |
| 02:21.24 | simonrvn | jordo23: then you can skip part 1 and 2 |
| 02:21.27 | DarkPainter | =| |
| 02:21.29 | devi0s | nome: uncommon, if not non-existant |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !tell Chameleon22 about mirrors |
| 02:21.41 | DarkPainter | everyone thinks im being an asshat "here" -__- |
| 02:21.41 | nome | devi0s: i can do that plugging from usb |
| 02:21.44 | Chameleon22 | abrotman: thanx |
| 02:21.44 | abrotman | DarkPainter: no ... |
| 02:21.45 | jordo23 | Simonrvn: How do you modprobe a driver? |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | DarkPainter: don't worry about it .. you'll know when you're in trouble :) |
| 02:21.57 | devi0s | nome: usb boot = more common.... never heard of fw boot |
| 02:22.01 | nome | devi0s: and bios doesn't support boot |
| 02:22.09 | dca_ | jordo23: umm "modprobe whatever" |
| 02:22.17 | abrotman | DarkPainter: which driver did you pick? |
| 02:22.26 | deadcat | jordo23: try lspci |grep -i 3com and see what chipset you have. |
| 02:22.31 | jordo23 | deadcat: how do I access modconf? |
| 02:22.32 | simonrvn | jordo23: you have half the command already. modprobe just installs the driver into the kernel's memory, so it can access its functions |
| 02:22.37 | deadcat | jordo23: type modconf |
| 02:22.39 | nome | devi0s: i have usb1 orrible ... i made my initrd to boot from cd |
| 02:22.44 | DarkPainter | i did ATi |
| 02:22.52 | DarkPainter | now it wants the mouse port... fack |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | ok .. i think there might be a radeon driver too |
| 02:22.57 | jordo23 | deadcat: Do I have to install it first? |
| 02:23.01 | FieldySnuts | i smell a troll |
| 02:23.04 | nome | usb1 is to slow for an OS |
| 02:23.04 | abrotman | DarkPainter: /dev/psaux .. or /dev/input/mice |
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| 02:23.09 | deadcat | jordo23: if you dont have it then yes. |
| 02:23.09 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: who? |
| 02:23.17 | DarkPainter | ive got a friggin touchpad... but i wanna use a ps/2 mouse some of the time |
| 02:23.19 | deadcat | jordo23: are you using woody? |
| 02:23.24 | dca_ | if i install 2.6 kernel from the debian net install disk, does it include multi proc support? or is that a custom debian install/kernel install? |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | DarkPainter: i just told you . pick one of those two |
| 02:23.31 | DarkPainter | yea! he uses his woody deadcat! lol |
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| 02:23.33 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: which one ? |
| 02:23.37 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 02:23.44 | deadcat | DarkPainter: shut the fuck up slut! |
| 02:23.47 | DarkPainter | rofl |
| 02:23.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: if you mean jor .. he got banned on wednesday ... |
| 02:23.50 | nome | dca_: what you mean? |
| 02:23.52 | FieldySnuts | oh |
| 02:23.52 | DarkPainter | !fuck deadcat |
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| 02:23.55 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | oh god .. leave the bot alone |
| 02:24.02 | DarkPainter | lol.... |
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| 02:24.03 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart DarkPainter |
| 02:24.07 | DarkPainter | lmfao |
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| 02:24.11 | dca_ | nome: dual xeon, want to make sure deb uses both processors... |
| 02:24.12 | FieldySnuts | ok i'm out |
| 02:24.17 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Results: Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) |
| 02:24.18 | DarkPainter | omg this is great lol |
| 02:24.24 | FieldySnuts | dca_ compile an smp kernel, no probs |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | DarkPainter: is it done yet? |
| 02:24.29 | DarkPainter | ok which one tho... |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | DarkPainter: does it have both? |
| 02:24.36 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Sarge |
| 02:24.44 | DarkPainter | whats the difference psaux and input/mice |
| 02:24.49 | FieldySnuts | is this the guy who asked about a 3com NIC with an intel chipset? |
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| 02:24.55 | nome | dca_: debian kernel should has all the patches in debian-patch-"uname -r" |
| 02:24.56 | deadcat | jordo23: try modprobe 3c59x |
| 02:24.58 | abrotman | DarkPainter: use the second .. if it doesn't work .. we'll go back to the first |
| 02:24.58 | dca_ | FieldySnuts: okay, but i do need to compile smp kernel...it isn't native to deb 2.6 net installs? |
| 02:25.05 | drac | what program should I use to split large mpeg files into pieces? |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 02:25.14 | FieldySnuts | dca_: not sure, doubt it, i don't use precompiled |
| 02:25.14 | DarkPainter | so use input/mice even tho ive got a touchpad |
| 02:25.20 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: figures |
| 02:25.21 | abrotman | DarkPainter: just try it |
| 02:25.25 | DarkPainter | meh... |
| 02:25.28 | nome | dca_: you can check in that |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: he really did get banned the other day |
| 02:25.36 | FieldySnuts | hopefully he will again |
| 02:25.37 | dca_ | nome: ? |
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| 02:25.52 | FieldySnuts | DarkPainter: how 2 install k3b-2.0.3, wenas? |
| 02:26.11 | DarkPainter | i got no idea what you just said man |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:26.15 | jordo23 | Deadcat: I think it worked (modprobe 3c59x) how can I tell? |
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| 02:26.29 | findme | jordo23, dmesg |
| 02:26.37 | deadcat | jordo23: ifconfig eth0 |
| 02:26.46 | DarkPainter | how do i go back in a setup... |
| 02:26.47 | deadcat | assuming you dont have any interfaces |
| 02:26.56 | findme | is deadcat == greycat ? |
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| 02:27.00 | deadcat | findme: no. |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you can't .. just finish .. you can do it again later |
| 02:27.06 | DarkPainter | crap |
| 02:27.12 | DarkPainter | i messed something up i guess |
| 02:27.18 | deadcat | findme: grey != dead |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | DarkPainter: what did you mess up? |
| 02:27.25 | nome | dca_: i don't know ... but if it's a patch it's applyed if not you can just check the kernel config |
| 02:27.37 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Results: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0B:DB:18:E0:E4 |
| 02:27.37 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.37 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.38 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:27.38 | DarkPainter | moniter horizontal sync range... what do i put here. it says 28-50 already |
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| 02:27.45 | deadcat | jordo23: so it works. |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | fucktard . read the topic |
| 02:27.58 | DarkPainter | !fuck abrotman |
| 02:28.01 | DarkPainter | lmao |
| 02:28.05 | abrotman | DarkPainter: dunno ... that's your monitor |
| 02:28.09 | deadcat | jordo23: dont paste shits in here. now do echo 3c59x >> /etc/modules |
| 02:28.11 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Does that mean it's installed? |
| 02:28.17 | DarkPainter | ok.. so.. |
| 02:28.21 | DarkPainter | whats it do? |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | DarkPainter: it's your monitor .. but isn't it a laptop? |
| 02:28.37 | DarkPainter | yes it is |
| 02:28.44 | DarkPainter | and i dont have the boox and shit |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | so why didn't you pick LCD ? |
| 02:28.45 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Did that.... |
| 02:28.52 | DarkPainter | because it IS an lcd |
| 02:28.54 | deadcat | jordo23: ya. if you have dhcp server and want to setup your nic at bootup. add this to your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | DarkPainter: but you didn't pick that .. LCD doesn't ask vsync |
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| 02:29.13 | abrotman | err hsync |
| 02:29.25 | DarkPainter | yea its hsync |
| 02:29.25 | deadcat | jordo23: line1: auto eth0 line2: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:29.29 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Should I be able to see it installed and active in KDE's network menu? |
| 02:29.31 | abrotman | DarkPainter: not on an lcd |
| 02:29.31 | devi0s | what packages do I need to install for nforce2 mobo and radeon 9800 video card? |
| 02:29.45 | deadcat | jordo23: i dont know. never used kde before |
| 02:29.45 | DarkPainter | iuve got 28-50 already in the input area |
| 02:29.56 | devi0s | !nforce2 |
| 02:29.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, nforce2 is not quite supported with 2.4.x kernels... yet |
| 02:30.10 | devi0s | !nforce2 package |
| 02:30.10 | DarkPainter | !SD-616e |
| 02:30.10 | abrotman | DarkPainter: then use it |
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| 02:30.18 | abrotman | DarkPainter: we'll fix it before you reboot |
| 02:30.18 | DarkPainter | ok... *shrugs* |
| 02:30.19 | devi0s | !radeon 9800 |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | !ati |
| 02:30.23 | dpkg | Ask me about <ati drivers>. Or see http://www.linuxvideo.org to learn how to set up the all in wonder, or see http://gatos.sourceforge.net/, or non-free drivers at schneider-digital.de, or the excellent AcceleratedX from http://www.xig.com, or wait for the next XFree release The XF86 developers are lazy and not using ATI's patches, blame them and not ATI. http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:30.38 | devi0s | !ati drivers |
| 02:30.38 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 02:30.41 | DarkPainter | !SD-616e |
| 02:30.49 | verbrek | hi |
| 02:30.52 | DarkPainter | its unpacking some more |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | DarkPainter: yeah . tht's ok |
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| 02:32.03 | abrotman | !party |
| 02:32.03 | dpkg | i guess party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 02:32.37 | DarkPainter | ive got a linksys wireless pcmcia card that i need to use to connect to a wireless network thats 64-bit WEP secured... can i do this? just wondering while this is loading... |
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| 02:32.49 | abrotman | DarkPainter: 11b or 11g? |
| 02:32.53 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 02:33.02 | DarkPainter | probbaly b even tho the router supports and puts out both |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | DarkPainter: it's a decent possibility |
| 02:33.16 | DarkPainter | the card is B i know that |
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| 02:33.20 | DarkPainter | router puts out both |
| 02:33.58 | sorahn | is there way to search through packages that are installed on your maching |
| 02:34.01 | sorahn | machine* |
| 02:34.08 | jordo23 | Deadcat: thanks... |
| 02:34.16 | useruser | when I plug in a particular pcmcia card, my kernel often generates errors, my keyboard stops working and I can't shut down the machine cleanly. What should I do to try to resolve this? |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | !fish DarkPainter |
| 02:34.36 | DarkPainter | cant help if we dont know which pcmcia card |
| 02:34.59 | abrotman | woohoo .. box set of karate kid!! |
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| 02:35.05 | DarkPainter | wtf |
| 02:35.20 | DarkPainter | i got the resident evil box set. WAHOO! lol |
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| 02:35.33 | abrotman | I've the ToxBox |
| 02:35.41 | DarkPainter | it says its rebuilding database abrot |
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| 02:35.53 | abrotman | DarkPainter: ok |
| 02:36.17 | cycom | brb |
| 02:36.23 | devi0s | would someone please explain what this means to me?: You need to install the kernel source code that corresponds to your running kernel and configure it with make-kpkg. This is obviously easy if you already compile your own kernel, but it's *going to require a bit of work if you are using a prebuilt kernel*. Any kernel version available from Debian should do. |
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| 02:36.33 | devi0s | (see the starred section) |
| 02:36.34 | epsilon | in Sarge, is there any problem with fixed font and xchat? If I choose "fixed font size 14" in xchat, it crashes with "floating point exception" |
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| 02:36.50 | deadcat | devi0s: what you working on? |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | devi0s: i think you can just install the headers |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | deadcat: the ati drivers i think |
| 02:37.23 | aum | hi - can anyone recommend a filter app for postscript colour matching/mapping? |
| 02:37.25 | deadcat | abrotman: oh. ya. the headers should do it |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | epsilon: bts |
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| 02:37.52 | epsilon | abrotman: nothing in xchat bug reports |
| 02:37.54 | deadcat | devi0s: install the kernel-headers-`uname -r` and export KVERS=`uname -r` KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 02:38.08 | epsilon | abrotman: which package should I also check? |
| 02:38.26 | abrotman | epsilon: i'm not sure .. start with some of the depends i guess |
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| 02:38.29 | terr | Does anyone know of an openoffice channel? |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | epsilon: but don't forget to check the archived |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | terr: #debian-oo |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | !openoffice |
| 02:38.46 | dpkg | well, openoffice is a GPL Gtk based Productivity Suite based upon Sun's StarOffice http://www.openoffice.org. See #debian-oo http://openoffice.debian.net for debs. try 'deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/debian-openoffice/ stable main contrib' if mirrors from the first URL do not work, or methadone handouts for M$ crack |
| 02:38.51 | DarkPainter | heres one abrot... while my stuff is loading... why do u sit here and help people? most people now a days would have better things to do... whats your deal? lol |
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| 02:39.09 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:39.10 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:39.24 | abrotman | DarkPainter: i'm very tired .. last night was buckabeer |
| 02:39.29 | DarkPainter | lol... |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 02:39.30 | dpkg | hmm... buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 02:39.37 | DarkPainter | lmao |
| 02:39.41 | abydos | hrm |
| 02:39.41 | DarkPainter | !buckabeer |
| 02:39.42 | dpkg | buckabeer is probably time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 02:39.44 | DarkPainter | lmao!!! |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | DarkPainter: so .. i didn't get home til like midnight .. and didn't sleep well .. |
| 02:40.12 | abydos | and vice versa |
| 02:40.14 | DarkPainter | so your vegging out infront of irc? |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | !prize abydos |
| 02:40.23 | abydos | mmm |
| 02:40.30 | devi0s | is there any way I can re-run the package selection tool that comes up at the end of the net-install process? |
| 02:40.31 | abrotman | DarkPainter: i'm actually watching Monk |
| 02:40.40 | abrotman | devi0s: tasksel ? |
| 02:40.43 | DarkPainter | hmm |
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| 02:40.48 | DarkPainter | well i appreciate it anyways |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | DarkPainter: np .. it's ok .. i do enjoy helping people ... |
| 02:40.59 | DarkPainter | i probably would of given up if u wouldnt of told me i needed gnome lol |
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| 02:41.14 | abrotman | DarkPainter: but if you stop using "u" .. i'd greatly appreciate it :) |
| 02:41.20 | akusarujin | abrotman, could you suggest which options are needed to redirect traffic from one ip to another using iptables? |
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| 02:41.27 | abydos | the netgear was being a little bitch about applying settings, and it had some less-than-optimal options |
| 02:41.44 | abrotman | akusarujin: oh .. i think it's the PREROUTING table .. ask #iptables .. and read at netfilter.org |
| 02:41.51 | akusarujin | i've never used it to redirect traffic, and i'm having a hard time figuring out what option does it.. |
| 02:41.55 | akusarujin | ah.. netfilter.org, sounds good |
| 02:42.13 | DarkPainter | lol sorry me and my best friend talk on AIM all the time... i use U alot lol |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | akusarujin: i think there is an advanced packet filtering how to .. but check the external links at the bottom |
| 02:42.18 | DarkPainter | gotta break it in irc i guess |
| 02:42.27 | devi0s | abrotman, well, that worked, but was hoping there was a general development-tools section, because I have no idea what to install to be able to do kernel compiles and just generally compile programs I might download source for |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | !b-e devi0s |
| 02:42.40 | dpkg | devi0s: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 02:42.46 | lunaphyte | does packages.debian.org suck for anyone else right now? |
| 02:42.51 | abrotman | lunaphyte: /topic |
| 02:42.51 | DarkPainter | ok ab its done!! |
| 02:42.52 | mrwill | lunaphyte: it's down. |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | mrwill: /topic |
| 02:43.01 | lunaphyte | sorry... |
| 02:43.06 | lunaphyte | thanks |
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| 02:43.12 | terr | does anyone know of an openoffice channel? |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | terr: #debian-oo |
| 02:43.20 | DarkPainter | i have my prompt back... now what |
| 02:43.23 | mrwill | abrotman: sorry, didn't realize that was in the topic, but I guess nearly everybody knows about the scheduled downtime. |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | like i told you 5 minutes ago |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | DarkPainter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:43.35 | abrotman | DarkPainter: we're going to fix the LCD thing |
| 02:43.39 | terr | abrotman thanks. |
| 02:43.40 | DarkPainter | oh noes. that sounds evil lol |
| 02:43.41 | DarkPainter | oh ok |
| 02:43.50 | dondelelcaro | mrwill: well, everone who is paying attention and subscribed to -devel-announce does... |
| 02:43.54 | JeaLouS | + abrotman : if i don't know my computer settinggs |
| 02:44.04 | JeaLouS | how can i run x ? |
| 02:44.04 | Rick-- | hi.. where does apt store the archives when i do a apt-get install bla |
| 02:44.10 | DarkPainter | ok i got it back |
| 02:44.13 | devi0s | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:44.15 | DarkPainter | select, ati... now what |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | !tell JeaLouS about set up x |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | DarkPainter: tell it you have an LCD screen |
| 02:44.31 | abrotman | DarkPainter: it shold remember the other settings |
| 02:44.42 | DarkPainter | it says it wants a name for my video card |
| 02:44.48 | DarkPainter | and in the input slot it says generic video card |
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| 02:45.15 | abrotman | Rick--: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:45.24 | abrotman | DarkPainter: that's fine |
| 02:45.25 | Rick-- | abrotman, ok.. thnx |
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| 02:45.45 | DarkPainter | i put.. aww shit i fucked that up |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | DarkPainter: put what? |
| 02:46.06 | jordo23 | Deadcat: Everything you advised me on worked.....thanks so much! |
| 02:46.06 | DarkPainter | dammit i put ati mobility m3 not ati radeon mobility m3 |
| 02:46.34 | deadcat | jordo23: (= |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | DarkPainter: that's ok |
| 02:46.52 | DarkPainter | generic moniter.. |
| 02:46.53 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | DarkPainter: no .. LCD |
| 02:46.58 | lunaphyte | how can i ask dpkg about a certain package? (does that rely on packages.debian.org)? |
| 02:47.02 | DarkPainter | what do i put here, LCD? |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | lunaphyte: whihc package? |
| 02:47.06 | DarkPainter | it says generic moniter |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | DarkPainter: that's just a title |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | lunaphyte: ?? |
| 02:47.19 | lunaphyte | just wanted to find out which version of postfix is in unstable |
| 02:47.26 | abrotman | !info postfix unstable |
| 02:47.27 | dondelelcaro | !info postfix |
| 02:47.28 | devi0s | apt-get install kde is downloading package 251 |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | !tell lunaphyte about search |
| 02:47.33 | devi0s | apt-get install kde is downloading package *351 |
| 02:47.35 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 781 kB, Installed size: 1924 kB |
| 02:47.37 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 781 kB, Installed size: 1924 kB |
| 02:47.59 | DarkPainter | here we go abrot... it asks if its an LCD Device or not |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | and it is |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | DarkPainter: btw .. for simplicity .. i'd pick one resolution |
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| 02:48.29 | devi0s | wth... sarge is based on 2.4 kernel? wth is that? |
| 02:48.36 | abrotman | devi0s: it has both |
| 02:48.46 | devi0s | abrotman, I installed 2.6 |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 sarge |
| 02:48.53 | DarkPainter | 1024x760 @ 75hz ok? |
| 02:48.54 | devi0s | errr 2.4 |
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| 02:49.02 | abrotman | DarkPainter: sounds decent .. as long as your lcd can do that |
| 02:49.02 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-12 (sarge), Packaged size: 13720 kB, Installed size: 41240 kB |
| 02:49.02 | Rick-- | hi guys .. i need some help |
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| 02:49.12 | DarkPainter | yea it did it in windows |
| 02:49.13 | terr | abrotman channel is there - no-one is in. |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | Rick--: no help .. only dating |
| 02:49.16 | devi0s | my system is 2.4 now.... how do I make it 2.6? should I start over? |
| 02:49.22 | DarkPainter | not sure if it ever did 75 hz tho |
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| 02:49.24 | Rick-- | i installed mysql-server andthen.. a few days upgraded it to mysql-server-4.1 |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | terr: oh .. maybe just #openoffice ? |
| 02:49.25 | mrwill | devi0s: no. |
| 02:49.28 | sussudio | 1024x768, 760 isn't a valid resolution |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | DarkPainter: it's ok |
| 02:49.32 | DarkPainter | ok |
| 02:49.35 | mrwill | devi0s: just apt-get install the relevant kernel. |
| 02:49.38 | Rick-- | then.. one of my web applications are having probs |
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| 02:49.41 | abrotman | sussudio: it's a select list .. kind of hard to get wrong :) |
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| 02:50.05 | Rick-- | and when i mv the init.d of mysql and do a install mysql-server i get the following error |
| 02:50.12 | Rick-- | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
| 02:50.13 | Flimzy | Is there any way to get cdrdao to abort (or at least report) when a read error has occured? like -X in cdparanoia? |
| 02:50.14 | DarkPainter | ok now it says select the video mode that i would like xserver to use. how do i check these off? |
| 02:50.15 | sussudio | abrotman: you'd think that. |
| 02:50.18 | Rick-- | how do i solve this |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | Rick--: why in gods name did you move it? |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | DarkPainter: only pick the one you want .. |
| 02:50.33 | sussudio | anyway, his LCD is probably 60Hz |
| 02:50.34 | caphuso | ok... this is one of my most embarassing mistakes ever |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | DarkPainter: and to make it easier . i'd only pick oe |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | err one |
| 02:50.40 | Rick-- | cause the init.d for both vers are slightly diff |
| 02:50.45 | lunaphyte | thanks abrotman, dondelecaro. |
| 02:50.45 | caphuso | Unable to load NLS charset iso8858-15 |
| 02:50.46 | caphuso | FAT: IO charset iso8858-15 not found |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | caphuso: you peed your pants? |
| 02:50.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:51.13 | Rick-- | abrotman, any idea how do i fix it ? |
| 02:51.23 | abrotman | Rick--: put it back :) |
| 02:51.23 | DarkPainter | yea but how do i "tick" options off. i have a list, it says pick t... nvm its the space bar |
| 02:51.36 | Rick-- | abrotman, then... |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | then what? |
| 02:52.14 | devi0s | I have an amd 3200+ 32 bit... shout I get 2.6.8-2 686 or 286? |
| 02:52.19 | abrotman | Rick--: i'm confused what your problem is |
| 02:52.23 | devi0s | I have an amd 3200+ 32 bit... shout I get 2.6.8-2 686 or *386? |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | devi0s: -k7 |
| 02:52.25 | mrwill | devi0s: 686 |
| 02:52.36 | Rick-- | aint the config file for mysql-server and mysql-server-4.1 a lil diff |
| 02:52.37 | mrwill | devi0s: oh, wait, no, wrong, listen to abrotman |
| 02:52.39 | devi0s | which one? |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | -k7!! |
| 02:52.47 | Flimzy | devi0s: You should compile your own |
| 02:52.48 | devi0s | ok |
| 02:52.53 | abrotman | Rick--: why doyou have two? |
| 02:52.58 | devi0s | Flimzy, *pbbbt* |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | Flimzy: don't tell him that |
| 02:53.04 | verbrek | i would like learning RHCT |
| 02:53.07 | Flimzy | devi0s: you think I'm kidding? |
| 02:53.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:53.13 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | gluck (packages.d.o), hadyn (alioth.d.o), etc. are DOWN for the weekend. |
| 02:53.13 | devi0s | Flimzy, I'd use gentoo if I wanted to roll my own |
| 02:53.15 | Rick-- | i installed mysql-server |
| 02:53.17 | verbrek | is possible |
| 02:53.18 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:53.27 | Rick-- | then... i changed it to mysql-server-4.1 |
| 02:53.29 | Flimzy | devi0s: You don't have to "roll your own" to compile your own kernel. |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | wtf is RHCT |
| 02:53.33 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: haydn not hadyn |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:53.37 | Rick-- | then.. my web app seems to be problematic |
| 02:53.39 | Flimzy | devi0s: There are debian scripts to do it for you and make it easy |
| 02:53.44 | Rick-- | so.. i wanna downgrade it |
| 02:53.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:53.48 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | gluck (packages.d.o), haydn (alioth.d.o), etc. are DOWN for the weekend. |
| 02:53.53 | JeaLouS | guys can i get the files i have with apt-get , and save them over a disc |
| 02:53.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:53.54 | JeaLouS | ? |
| 02:53.57 | Rick-- | and.. when i leave the init.d/mysql .. mysql dont start |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | Rick--: why not? |
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| 02:54.05 | devi0s | Flimzy, maybe I'll try that next - any howtos? |
| 02:54.08 | DarkPainter | um |
| 02:54.16 | DarkPainter | i dont know my video cards bus identifier... |
| 02:54.17 | Flimzy | devi0s: apt-get install kpkg |
| 02:54.22 | Flimzy | devi0s: then read the man page I guess |
| 02:54.23 | dondelelcaro | diff: replaced merkel (which most of you won't care about) with haydn (which slightly more, but still few of you will care about) |
| 02:54.33 | caphuso | DarkPainter: you can probably get away with letting X find it out by itself |
| 02:54.37 | Flimzy | devi0s: or maybe the package is kernel-package. I don't recall |
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| 02:54.42 | abrotman | DarkPainter: just hit enter |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | leave that blank |
| 02:55.28 | Rick-- | abrotman, it says check syslog |
| 02:55.28 | simonrvn | oh my |
| 02:55.34 | Rick-- | syslog is blank |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | Rick--: good plan |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | no way is syslog blank |
| 02:55.40 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: what happened? |
| 02:55.47 | caphuso | editing /boot/config-$(uname -r) makes me feel dirty :-/ |
| 02:55.51 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: scheduled power outage... they're replacing a circuit or somethin |
| 02:55.58 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 02:56.13 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: nothing to do with that cisco IOS thingy? |
| 02:56.22 | Rick-- | as in syslog dont show the error |
| 02:56.28 | simonrvn | which people should fix ;) |
| 02:56.32 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: oh, no... |
| 02:56.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: merkel!! |
| 02:56.39 | simonrvn | ok, good |
| 02:56.48 | simonrvn | as long as everything's ok |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | what's on merkel? |
| 02:57.00 | simonrvn | stuff |
| 02:57.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: heh. a developer copy of ftpmaster |
| 02:57.06 | Rick-- | abrotman, so.. i need to install the mysql-server fresh ... |
| 02:57.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: that's about the most interesting thing that's there |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | Rick--: sounds like a plan .. i'm still not sure what's broken |
| 02:57.22 | DarkPainter | ok how about "write default files section to configuration file?" yes or no |
| 02:57.29 | abrotman | DarkPainter: do it |
| 02:57.35 | dondelelcaro | presumably everyone who actually would care about that machine can already log onto it to find out what about it has issues |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. who cares about that :) |
| 02:57.43 | DarkPainter | write default DRI section to config file |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | yes |
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| 02:57.55 | Rick-- | abrotman, some mysql component |
| 02:58.00 | Rick-- | :| |
| 02:58.02 | DarkPainter | ok i got my ~# thing back |
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| 02:58.08 | abrotman | Rick--: i'm so freaking confused |
| 02:58.08 | DarkPainter | now what =P |
| 02:58.21 | abrotman | DarkPainter: say a prayer .. and reboot |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | !bless DarkPainter |
| 02:58.24 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child DarkPainter, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:58.28 | DarkPainter | say a prayer... |
| 02:58.29 | DarkPainter | wtmf |
| 02:58.30 | greg_ | damn, i cant get knoppix to boot up on any of my older computers |
| 02:58.41 | sanxiyn | too bad |
| 02:58.42 | DarkPainter | !fuck religion |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 02:58.43 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 02:58.52 | Rick-- | abrotman, can i prvt u .. so it gets a lil clearer |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | Rick--: i'd rather you didn't .. this channel is fine |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | Rick--: i can follow as fast as you type .. i think |
| 02:59.17 | DarkPainter | ok um |
| 02:59.19 | DarkPainter | i hate to ask |
| 02:59.25 | DarkPainter | but... how do you reboot... |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | DarkPainter: flames? |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | DarkPainter: # reboot |
| 02:59.35 | Rick-- | just hold.. i need a drink... brb |
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| 02:59.41 | DarkPainter | oh ok |
| 02:59.43 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 02:59.48 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: By clicking "logout" on GNOME menu and choose reboot. |
| 02:59.48 | DarkPainter | ok its stopping and stuff |
| 02:59.55 | DarkPainter | no dude i dont have gnome yet |
| 02:59.57 | sanxiyn | Or something like that. |
| 02:59.57 | abrotman | sanxiyn: he's not that far yet |
| 03:00.02 | DarkPainter | i just installed it |
| 03:00.16 | hettar | DarkPainter: shutdown -r now |
| 03:00.19 | JeaLouS | where to get the latest testing netinstall |
| 03:00.21 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: Well, I got GNOME working just after install. |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 03:00.25 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does that mean no d-i all weekend? |
| 03:00.38 | DarkPainter | its going about its startup flood |
| 03:00.44 | DarkPainter | i hope this works =| |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | DarkPainter: we hope so too |
| 03:01.04 | DarkPainter | btw |
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| 03:01.07 | DarkPainter | !fuck religion |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | we know |
| 03:01.15 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 03:01.20 | sanxiyn | Debian is a religion. |
| 03:01.23 | DarkPainter | welcome to debian!? |
| 03:01.28 | DarkPainter | wahoo! it works! |
| 03:01.31 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: Welcome. |
| 03:01.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, probably... but people will still keep developing |
| 03:01.35 | nvz | abrotman: oh well man, the past hour messing with kde-base I am pretty much sold on switiching to this for the kid.. its a hell of a lot easier for me to setup and maintain |
| 03:01.35 | DarkPainter | ive got a real computer again! |
| 03:01.37 | DarkPainter | w00t!! |
| 03:01.39 | dvs | !beer DarkPainter |
| 03:01.46 | DarkPainter | !fuck blessing shit |
| 03:01.50 | abrotman | nvz: you're evil! |
| 03:01.54 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 03:01.54 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 03:01.57 | abrotman | yuengling!! |
| 03:02.03 | DarkPainter | i think i can fuck with it from here |
| 03:02.04 | JeaLouS | can i uses the cds i have for wooddy and sarage for the netinstall ? |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | nvz: how about xfce ? |
| 03:02.10 | DarkPainter | thanks alot abrot |
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| 03:02.16 | DarkPainter | do you have msn or aim or something? |
| 03:02.18 | abrotman | DarkPainter: is it up? |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | DarkPainter: use gaim |
| 03:02.23 | DarkPainter | yea it wants a username lol |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | dunno about msn |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | DarkPainter: make sure you can login first |
| 03:02.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: gaim supports that too |
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| 03:02.42 | abrotman | DarkPainter: gaim should already be installed |
| 03:02.47 | DarkPainter | well ur the only one whos really seriously helped me so... |
| 03:02.51 | DarkPainter | oh it should? |
| 03:02.56 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: Are you asking for Linux program that can do AIM or MSN, or abortman's contact address? |
| 03:02.59 | DarkPainter | i havnt even logged in yet lol |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | DarkPainter: when you installed gnome .. you installed a ton of stuff |
| 03:03.07 | DarkPainter | no im not sanxiyn lol not yet =P |
| 03:03.13 | nvz | abrotman: I thought about checking that out.. I just want something she can easily understand, and I can only let her access what I put there. I had gnome panels with 48x48 icons and drawers working nicely, but gnome-session causes me grief more often than not |
| 03:03.16 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 03:03.29 | DarkPainter | i just wanted a gui... not an assload of shit =( |
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| 03:03.36 | nvz | abrotman: either wont logout, doesnt kill gnome-panel when it does, so next login something is always wrong |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | nvz: dunno .. my gripe right now is totem |
| 03:03.44 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you'll be fine .. |
| 03:03.51 | sanxiyn | "gnome" is far too much. Use "gnome-core" metapackage. |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you should have enough apps to not to be installing every time you want to do something |
| 03:04.32 | DarkPainter | thanks for telling me theres a scalled down version after i got finished installing gnome sanxiyn |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you'll be fine .. |
| 03:04.48 | DarkPainter | WOOHOO! |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | DarkPainter: your HDD is large enough that you shouldn't worry |
| 03:04.19 | DarkPainter | *dances around the room crazily* |
| 03:04.23 | nvz | abrotman: yeah my uncle said it wont play wmv pr0n he filed a complaint the other day.. I switched him to gxine and problem was solved |
| 03:04.30 | DarkPainter | omfg this rocks =o |
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| 03:04.36 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
| 03:04.41 | DarkPainter | windows = Gh3y! |
| 03:04.43 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Oh sure enough disk. |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | sanxiyn: for newbies .. i don't liek to short change them |
| 03:05.03 | sanxiyn | I got full GNOME & KDE & GNUSTEP & XFCE installed (just for fun) and it's under 5 GB. |
| 03:05.13 | abrotman | DarkPainter: you need to know about apt-cache too |
| 03:05.17 | abrotman | !tell DarkPainter about search |
| 03:05.19 | DarkPainter | huh? |
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| 03:05.29 | Rick-- | abrotman, ok.. i did apt-get install mysql-server |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | DarkPainter: to find other stuff you might need to install ? |
| 03:05.39 | _joey | Is devfs used on sarge ? |
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| 03:05.50 | Rick-- | then.. a few weeks later.. i did apt-get remove mysql-server |
| 03:05.53 | Flimzy | _joey: if you want it |
| 03:05.56 | caphuso | _joey: it's used in the installer |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | _joey: depends |
| 03:06.02 | Rick-- | then.. apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 03:06.03 | sanxiyn | _joey: Not default. |
| 03:06.10 | abrotman | Rick--: does it work? |
| 03:06.13 | _joey | what's default device management on sarge? |
| 03:06.16 | Rick-- | then.. there happened the prob with my web application |
| 03:06.16 | sanxiyn | _joey: But it's there if you want it. |
| 03:07.37 | dvs | _joey: It will be deprecated as of July |
| 03:07.39 | _joey | sanxiyn what's default on sarge? |
| 03:07.41 | _joey | udev ? |
| 03:07.45 | sanxiyn | _joey: makedev |
| 03:07.45 | Rick-- | now.. i can start it 4.1 |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | Rick--: it works now? |
| 03:07.52 | _joey | coolies;)) |
| 03:07.52 | Rick-- | but.. my web app still ....... |
| 03:07.54 | _joey | lol |
| 03:07.55 | sanxiyn | _joey: There's also udev if you want it. |
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| 03:08.04 | rares000 | I have a <Location /gsd>\n SetHandler mod_python\n PythonHandler trac.ModPython yet I get 404 /gsd not found |
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| 03:08.21 | sanxiyn | _joey: Actually, full Project Utopia stack is in Sarge. |
| 03:08.26 | sanxiyn | (Just not enabled by default) |
| 03:08.41 | DarkPainter | can i use firefox in linux? |
| 03:08.50 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: Sure. |
| 03:08.52 | DarkPainter | w00t |
| 03:09.04 | DarkPainter | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | DarkPainter: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 03:09.10 | rares000 | no you can only use Ie in Linux |
| 03:09.12 | _joey | sanxiyn mate, I know you could lots of things on any distrubtion, kernel source and tools are aviable, I just wanted to know what's default on sarge |
| 03:09.18 | DarkPainter | nice |
| 03:09.20 | dvs | !hit rares000 |
| 03:09.25 | _joey | Very interesting |
| 03:09.34 | _joey | MAKEDEV heh |
| 03:09.37 | sanxiyn | :-) |
| 03:09.40 | DarkPainter | can i specify the version? cause i want 1.0 |
| 03:09.50 | abrotman | it is 1.0 |
| 03:09.52 | sanxiyn | _joey: I mean, udev, hald, dbus, etc. is properly packaged in Sarge. |
| 03:09.54 | DarkPainter | ok cool |
| 03:09.57 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 03:10.02 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0+dfsg.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 9226 kB, Installed size: 26472 kB |
| 03:10.05 | abrotman | see |
| 03:10.11 | DarkPainter | fuckin awesome |
| 03:10.13 | DarkPainter | u know what |
| 03:10.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:10.19 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:10.22 | abrotman | what? |
| 03:10.31 | DarkPainter | im so glad i dont have widndows on here lol |
| 03:10.33 | sanxiyn | _joey: Well, do remember that Sarge's default Kernel is 2.4. |
| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | heh. "default kernel" |
| 03:10.52 | Rick-- | abrotman, but.. my web appln still dont display .. |
| 03:10.52 | sanxiyn | _joey: udev is out. |
| 03:10.58 | DarkPainter | ok let me guess... apt-get install (m)irc? |
| 03:10.58 | abrotman | Rick--: why not? |
| 03:11.04 | abrotman | check your apache logs ... |
| 03:11.06 | dondelelcaro | DarkPainter: no, irssi-text |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | DarkPainter: xchat or irssi-text |
| 03:11.16 | rares000 | gaim |
| 03:11.16 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: That means, what you get if you press successive enter at install. |
| 03:11.17 | Rick-- | abrotman, blank page |
| 03:11.22 | abrotman | Rick--: the logs |
| 03:11.26 | rares000 | apt-get install gai, |
| 03:11.27 | DarkPainter | oo ok, so apt-get install irssi-text... whats xchat |
| 03:11.32 | rares000 | er gaim |
| 03:11.36 | DarkPainter | !info gia |
| 03:11.36 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: it's also dependent on your architecture. It's not the default for HPPA or m68k... |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | DarkPainter: a gui-ish irc cilent |
| 03:11.43 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: There are many IRC clients, and everybody will try to recommend something. |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | rares000: he alrady has gaim installed |
| 03:11.49 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Ah, yes... |
| 03:11.49 | rares000 | oh |
| 03:11.51 | DarkPainter | !info gai |
| 03:11.54 | sanxiyn | 2.4 is default on i386. |
| 03:11.57 | DarkPainter | dammit |
| 03:12.04 | factotum | !info gaim |
| 03:12.26 | sanxiyn | DarkPainter: I recommend xchat. |
| 03:12.26 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 2120 kB |
| 03:12.26 | JeaLouS | guys u know any place send over seas debian sarge the 15 cd ? |
| 03:12.26 | DarkPainter | well how do u guys find out about all these apps?! |
| 03:12.26 | Rick-- | [Sat Jan 29 11:12:20 2005] [error] [client 202.156.2.203] File does not exist: /home/sites/rick/favicon.ico |
| 03:12.26 | dondelelcaro | basically, the idea of a default kernel really doesn't have much meaning, because you can install whatever you want |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:12.26 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:12.26 | rares000 | apt-get install aptitude |
| 03:12.29 | dondelelcaro | JeaLouS: you don't need all 15 cds |
| 03:12.30 | abrotman | DarkPainter: apt-cache search <term> |
| 03:12.31 | DarkPainter | i dont wanna relly on you guys... i wanna do stuff for myself |
| 03:12.38 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: But it explains why udev CANT be default on Sarge. |
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| 03:12.45 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: sure... |
| 03:12.46 | rares000 | !info aptitude |
| 03:12.48 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based apt frontend), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2.15.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1565 kB, Installed size: 4828 kB |
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| 03:12.50 | abrotman | DarkPainter: so in this case .. you might type .. apt-cache search irc client |
| 03:12.53 | hyur | damn. aptitude is way better than dselect |
| 03:12.55 | DarkPainter | oooo |
| 03:12.57 | DarkPainter | awesome |
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| 03:13.02 | DarkPainter | i think i can take it from here now |
| 03:13.06 | DarkPainter | i'll be back lol |
| 03:13.09 | DarkPainter | thanks guys |
| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | DarkPainter: you probably also want to read the Debian reference... it'll help you with these basic questions |
| 03:13.13 | abrotman | DarkPainter: make sure you've got an irc client first |
| 03:13.14 | rares000 | apt-get install synaptic |
| 03:13.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell DarkPainter about debian reference |
| 03:13.19 | DarkPainter | i will lol |
| 03:13.22 | abrotman | !tell DarkPainter about fundamentals |
| 03:13.25 | hyur | DarkPainter: wait, screen |
| 03:13.33 | rares000 | vnc |
| 03:14.17 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | i haven't even seen synaptic since .. it sucked .. really bad |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | this gramps is just odd |
| 03:14.27 | JeaLouS | + dondelelcaro : well there might be a file in the cd number 15 since i don't have internet connection down at my village |
| 03:14.33 | sanxiyn | _joey: So it's makedev. :-) |
| 03:14.40 | DarkPainter | thanks so much. and btw my e-mail is darkpainter@Gmail.com if anyone wants to lol |
| 03:14.44 | rares000 | synaptic is nicenow |
| 03:14.45 | DarkPainter | later all |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | DarkPainter: come back soon :) |
| 03:14.55 | dondelelcaro | JeaLouS: there are quite a few files there. But most of it won't be of much use to you. Regardless, there are people who sell them for a nominal fee. |
| 03:14.58 | dondelelcaro | JeaLouS: see debian.org/CD |
| 03:15.40 | _joey | sanxiyn I personally think good idea that they use this script |
| 03:15.40 | _joey | whoever wants to use udev, let them use it |
| 03:16.10 | cafuego | Yep. udev works fine. |
| 03:16.16 | dondelelcaro | _joey: heh. MAKEDEV predates udev by about 9-10 years... |
| 03:16.28 | abrotman | i'm trying to figure out the automount udev stuff |
| 03:16.38 | pmwilson | I'm having quite a strange problem. after logging in through gdm, the keyboard doesn't work at all. if I start X from the command line, and start gnome-panel, metacity, and nautilus ... things work fine. where can i figure out what the hell is going on? |
| 03:16.48 | dondelelcaro | ok, I lie... only 6-7 |
| 03:16.55 | _joey | dondelelcaro good , isn't it ? |
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| 03:17.07 | _joey | that old script with mknod util is still in use |
| 03:17.08 | jordo23 | Does anyone know how to set up Samba in Debian so that my windows xp box can write to my linux host server. I am already connected, but when trying to write a file to one of the linux dirs, it says "Access denied". |
| 03:17.27 | kaplanfx | jordo23: man samba.conf ? |
| 03:17.33 | cafuego | jordo23: Fix your /etc/samba/smb.conf (with an editor) |
| 03:17.39 | Flimzy | jordo23: Yes. Do you know how to read the documentation? |
| 03:17.39 | kaplanfx | er |
| 03:17.47 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hey, damnit... one of my patches is in MAKEDEV. I know how to use makenod |
| 03:17.50 | kaplanfx | sorry I meant man smb.conf |
| 03:17.51 | dondelelcaro | s/make/mk/ |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:18.04 | devi0s | abrotman, you suggested I get build-essential... is there a listing of other cool shortcuts like that? |
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| 03:18.25 | sanxiyn | devi0s: Yes, but packages.debian.org is down. |
| 03:18.25 | cafuego | mknod /dev/dondelelcaro p |
| 03:18.29 | dondelelcaro | I had almost forgotten about it though, it being a few years since I've installed on a new system |
| 03:18.29 | abrotman | devi0s: possibly .. tasks i think |
| 03:18.35 | abrotman | virtual packages |
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| 03:18.39 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Also "virtual" section of p.d.o. |
| 03:18.45 | abrotman | i got that :) |
| 03:18.45 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. ;-) |
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| 03:18.48 | jordo23 | cafuego: Do you know what I should edit? |
| 03:18.53 | hyur | is there a console based web browser that can display images? i've seen some console jpeg viewers before so i'm just wondering |
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| 03:19.13 | dondelelcaro | hyur: uh, there are a few that'll use whatever the console svga mode is... |
| 03:19.29 | dadexter | does sarge run udev or devfs? |
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| 03:19.43 | dvs | dadexter: yes |
| 03:19.51 | sanxiyn | dadexter: yes |
| 03:19.53 | dadexter | argh |
| 03:19.55 | dadexter | which one? |
| 03:19.58 | benjamindees | heh |
| 03:19.59 | sanxiyn | dadexter: neither |
| 03:20.00 | dvs | dadexter: yes |
| 03:20.07 | benjamindees | I was going to say "no" |
| 03:20.08 | sanxiyn | hyur: zgv |
| 03:20.15 | dadexter | forget it |
| 03:20.29 | sanxiyn | hyur: Console image viewer: homepage http://www.svgalib.org/rus/zgv/ |
| 03:20.30 | benjamindees | it'll run either, but neither by default |
| 03:20.44 | dadexter | thanks |
| 03:20.52 | sanxiyn | hyur: X Windows version is called "xzgv". |
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| 03:21.08 | dadexter | benjamindees, so it's just a plain old static /dev by default? |
| 03:21.13 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 03:21.23 | dadexter | ok thanks |
| 03:21.38 | hyur | sanxiyn: apt-cache says these are just viewers |
| 03:21.46 | JeaLouS | any one from canada ? |
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| 03:21.54 | sanxiyn | hyur: Ah, you want web browser? |
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| 03:21.58 | dvs | JeaLouS: eh? |
| 03:22.01 | sanxiyn | hyur: I thought you meant image browser... |
| 03:22.04 | cafuego | jordo23: Yes, I just told you what to edit. |
| 03:22.14 | bwest | anybody even use mplayer to convert from wma to gg for example |
| 03:22.17 | hyur | oh, nah, thanks for the heads up though |
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| 03:22.31 | kaplanfx | hey i've got a question that I haven't been able to solve in a long time, if I am sharing a printer from samba, (printer is on linux box, I wanna print from windows box) the printer shows up ok, but the windows machine wants a driver, samba says I should put it in /var/lib/samba/printers but the hp driver is a huge exe with 146mb of stuff and I can't figure out what file is the actual driver. |
| 03:22.32 | cafuego | bwest: 'transcode' perhaps. |
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| 03:22.42 | kaplanfx | eh that was a little long winded :) |
| 03:22.48 | sanxiyn | hyur: links2 will do. |
| 03:22.53 | bwest | cafuego: somebody in #gentoo suggested that, but I'm not sure how to use it |
| 03:22.57 | bwest | does it support wma? |
| 03:22.58 | JeaLouS | + dvs : can u help me to get debian sarge every thing on dvd |
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| 03:23.13 | hyur | sanxiyn: ah, hell yeah.. thanks man |
| 03:23.18 | sanxiyn | hyur: links2 is a web browser, very portable, HTML 4.0, HTTP 1.1, show image on X, also on Console (with SVGAlib)... |
| 03:23.19 | Guerin | bwest: it supports any format you have a codec for |
| 03:23.20 | dvs | JeaLouS: Do you have jigdo-lite installed? |
| 03:23.34 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: or framebuffer |
| 03:23.34 | bwest | Guerin: ok . . so can I get a codec for wma? |
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| 03:23.36 | sanxiyn | Also table, frame... |
| 03:23.39 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Ah, yes. |
| 03:23.40 | sussudio | !svgalib |
| 03:23.40 | dpkg | somebody said svgalib was a full screen graphics library for linux, horiblly unreliable and insecure, or reliable for me..., or _cool_ when your video card is supported and usually makes quake fly!, or can lock up your machine, and force you to reboot |
| 03:23.42 | libv | ah, bleh, packages is down |
| 03:24.39 | JeaLouS | + dvs : i live in lebanon and my friend know nothing about linux , she wanna order the cds for me |
| 03:24.42 | sussudio | svgalib bad. |
| 03:25.06 | dvs | JeaLouS: Oh? You want to mail order DVDs? |
| 03:25.25 | JeaLouS | + dvs : she will order at her place and she gonna send them |
| 03:25.28 | tatoo_ | i have two drivers: one dvd rom and the other is a cdrom. how can i make symlink for these drivers since i can't find them into /dev/ ?? |
| 03:25.28 | JeaLouS | i want sarge full set |
| 03:25.33 | Guerin | bwest: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 03:25.33 | libv | to (possibly) make up for packages.d.o being down, is debian-x still at dfsg.1-10 ? |
| 03:25.33 | JeaLouS | over dvd |
| 03:25.47 | abrotman | fucking stupid landlord's dogs |
| 03:25.53 | Guerin | libv: no, it's at .20 now |
| 03:25.55 | sanxiyn | JeaLouS: I think there may be Sarge Full Set DVD, someday. |
| 03:26.06 | sanxiyn | I don't know whether it exists now. |
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| 03:26.11 | JeaLouS | + sanxiyn : well at least up to date |
| 03:26.12 | libv | eep? |
| 03:26.13 | abrotman | Guerin: BAC? |
| 03:26.20 | vladster | how does one reload webmin |
| 03:26.26 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 03:26.26 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 03:26.26 | Guerin | !info xlibs sid |
| 03:26.32 | dpkg | xlibs: (X Keyboard Extension (XKB) configuration data and metapackage), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 408 kB, Installed size: 2668 kB |
| 03:26.39 | Guerin | vladster: apt-get remove --purge webmin |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:26.52 | libv | ah, thanks :) |
| 03:27.03 | simonrvn | Guerin: the bots don't get their info from pdo |
| 03:27.09 | libv | *checking googles cache* |
| 03:27.17 | jordo23 | Cafuego: No...do you know which line to edit? |
| 03:27.23 | vladster | this server is behing three layers of networks |
| 03:27.27 | Rick-- | hi.. i am using apache2 |
| 03:27.39 | Guerin | wow, I'm so wrong |
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| 03:27.42 | Guerin | it is .10 |
| 03:27.46 | vladster | the local admin hates command line |
| 03:27.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:28.01 | Guerin | vladster: then he's not an admin, he's a monkey with a root pass |
| 03:28.04 | Rick-- | and.. i have installed the libapache-mod-php4 but.. when i try to access a php site it asks to dl |
| 03:28.05 | vladster | You have a better choice for him? |
| 03:28.10 | Guerin | vladster: yes. |
| 03:28.19 | libv | Guerin: yeah, googles cache is saying the same, thanks :) |
| 03:28.21 | abrotman | ssh!! |
| 03:28.26 | benjamindees | ...a job at taco bell |
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| 03:28.42 | Rick-- | could someone assist |
| 03:28.42 | vladster | as i said, he hates command line |
| 03:28.52 | abrotman | boo .. freaking .. hoo |
| 03:28.54 | Guerin | vladster: it's time for him to stop being a hater |
| 03:29.01 | abrotman | or stop being the admin |
| 03:29.02 | Guerin | and start becoming an administrator |
| 03:29.03 | simonrvn | Rick--: the apache2.conf has line for php4. use them. and see the docs |
| 03:29.06 | dvs | Rick--: edit your apache2.conf file to use php files. |
| 03:29.10 | vladster | I hate being called when doing it to fix a broken server |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | vladster: are you the admin?> |
| 03:29.26 | Rick-- | dvs, done that |
| 03:29.33 | simonrvn | vladster: then you should be the admin |
| 03:29.40 | vladster | Takes me a half hour just to get to the inside network |
| 03:29.47 | dvs | Rick--: did you restart apache? |
| 03:29.54 | vladster | They can't afford me |
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| 03:30.05 | Rick-- | dvs, yeah the AddType and DirectoryIndex right ? |
| 03:30.05 | ktamm | is there a link to a page with and installation manual type of thing? |
| 03:30.26 | Guerin | !ig |
| 03:30.26 | dpkg | it has been said that ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 03:30.32 | vladster | UI just install and setup |
| 03:30.51 | dvs | Rick--: right |
| 03:30.54 | abrotman | vladster: then i'd say it's not your problem . they either need to hire an admin . or learn how to not use webmin |
| 03:31.26 | vladster | At least I got them off of that crappy windows server |
| 03:31.28 | Newport | hi i downloaded th kernel-source-2,6,8 source and i did a "make xconfig" selected the stuff i want/dont want then did a "make-kpkg kernel_image" which compiles fine then a "dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.8.Custom_i386.deb" which installs fine and updates grub but it will not boot |
| 03:31.32 | Rick-- | its my server |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | Newport: sounds like you made a mistake .. start over |
| 03:32.01 | vladster | They were raped by a disgruntled employee |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | Newport: start with a working config |
| 03:32.12 | Newport | abrotman, this is try 9 |
| 03:32.16 | Guerin | !tell Newport about norootfs |
| 03:32.21 | Rick-- | well... |
| 03:32.24 | abrotman | Newport: well .. keep trying til it works |
| 03:32.54 | Rick-- | any suggestions |
| 03:33.00 | vladster | maybe I can get him to use mc in ssh |
| 03:33.07 | Newport | abrotman, do i need a initird.img? the prebuilt one i am using uses that but when i build it it doesnt add that into grubs menu.lst |
| 03:33.15 | abrotman | Newport: you don't need one |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 03:33.17 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 03:33.43 | vladster | at least that operates inside of a shell |
| 03:34.03 | dvs | Rick--: Nope, that's exactly what I did to get it to work. |
| 03:34.13 | greg_ | any programs for linux that will run wmv and wma files? |
| 03:34.29 | Rick-- | dvs, then.. what did u do |
| 03:34.31 | sanxiyn | greg_: There are many. |
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| 03:35.03 | vladster | is there a mouse driver for the terminal I can set him up with |
| 03:35.10 | sanxiyn | greg_: Xine can do that, FFmpeg do that, MPlayer do that, etc etc... |
| 03:35.14 | cycom | sanxiyan: "do you know the time?" "yes" |
| 03:35.17 | Guerin | vladster: apt-get install gpm |
| 03:35.33 | dvs | Rick--: Edited the apache2.conf file and loaded the module in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 03:35.37 | sanxiyn | cycom: I just said what I know. There are damn many programs that will play wmv in Linux. |
| 03:35.54 | greg_ | sanxiyn: which one do you recommend, and do they play both wma and wmv? |
| 03:35.54 | cycom | hehe. I'm just kidding :) |
| 03:36.04 | Guerin | mplayer owns all other media players |
| 03:36.04 | deadcat | greg_: ANY of those |
| 03:36.06 | sanxiyn | greg_: All play both, I recommend Totem (which uses Xine) |
| 03:36.14 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.49 | Rick-- | dvs, thats already enabled |
| 03:36.53 | sanxiyn | Guerin: MPlayer is exceedingly cool, yes. |
| 03:37.08 | cafuego | pff. mplayer is shitty x86 software |
| 03:37.16 | vladster | The next trick is to get his desktops migrated in an orderly procedure |
| 03:37.21 | sanxiyn | cafuego: Still exceedingly cool. |
| 03:37.29 | cafuego | sanxiyn: I prefer xine actually. |
| 03:37.39 | sanxiyn | I use MPlayer only on Windows :-) |
| 03:37.51 | sanxiyn | cafuego: Yeah Xine. |
| 03:37.59 | simonrvn | too bad xine is such a hog on on old video cards |
| 03:38.01 | vladster | Is ther an eassy to use desktop for the newb that has to run a business |
| 03:38.06 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 03:38.16 | Guerin | vladster: xfce4 |
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| 03:38.24 | greg_ | sanxiyn: it says totem is for gnome......... |
| 03:38.31 | sanxiyn | greg_: Yes :-) |
| 03:38.44 | sanxiyn | greg_: If you hate GNOME, choose others. |
| 03:38.51 | greg_ | haha, i just started using linux yesterday, whats gnome |
| 03:38.52 | Guerin | arright, I have to go install windows. |
| 03:38.53 | benjamindees | vladster, 'run a business' as in the admin in question or a user? |
| 03:38.56 | Guerin | !pity me |
| 03:38.56 | dpkg | I pity da fool guerin! |
| 03:39.00 | cafuego | well, my video card has more ram than all my machines with old video cards combined :-/ |
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| 03:39.14 | vladster | on what, I have to install these things and I would like to automate it so I don't spend forever getting the machines up and running |
| 03:39.23 | vladster | user |
| 03:39.24 | sanxiyn | greg_: GNOME is a desktop environment (and development environment, but let's not go there) |
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| 03:39.43 | greg_ | haha, so i have knoppix, it uses gnome right? |
| 03:39.54 | sanxiyn | greg_: NO. |
| 03:39.56 | greg_ | ........... |
| 03:39.58 | cafuego | greg_: How should we know. Try #knoppix |
| 03:40.02 | vladster | I need user friendly so they are not calling for help all the time |
| 03:40.04 | sanxiyn | greg_: Actually it uses KDE. |
| 03:40.08 | greg_ | ya |
| 03:40.09 | ay9112003 | hello babes |
| 03:40.13 | tatoo_ | i have two drivers: one dvd rom and the other is a cdrom. how can i make symlink for these drivers since i can't find them into /dev/ ?? |
| 03:40.16 | sanxiyn | greg_: KDE is also a desktop environment (rather nice one) |
| 03:40.18 | greg_ | ok, i see |
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| 03:40.29 | benjamindees | vladster, if there's a competent admin and incompetent users, gnome; if there's a semi-competent admin and semi-competent users, kde |
| 03:40.35 | Rick-- | dvs, any other help ? |
| 03:40.43 | vladster | I was considering KDE since I can make it look like windows |
| 03:40.44 | cafuego | tatoo_: modprobe ide-cd 9they'll be hdc and/or hdd |
| 03:40.49 | dvs | Rick--: nope |
| 03:40.53 | simonrvn | benjamindees: hmm, i'd have to second that |
| 03:40.58 | sanxiyn | vladster: Good point. |
| 03:41.10 | Rick-- | damn :( |
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| 03:41.40 | vladster | I was considering to have all the users home directories on a server |
| 03:41.41 | sanxiyn | vladster: Why not go further and choose XPde? |
| 03:41.43 | sanxiyn | vladster: http://xpde.com/ |
| 03:41.50 | tatoo_ | i mean...i can't mount even my cdrom cuz i can't find its file into the /dev/ |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | !cuz |
| 03:42.20 | tatoo_ | it should've been a symlink 'cdrom' here right? |
| 03:42.23 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 03:42.31 | sanxiyn | Also, IceWM can be themed to be very similar to Windows. |
| 03:42.38 | sanxiyn | (Both form and function) |
| 03:42.45 | vladster | That might work |
| 03:42.50 | benjamindees | yeah, icewm has good themes |
| 03:43.00 | sanxiyn | vladster: Actually, XPde is rather good DE, too. |
| 03:43.26 | greg_ | sanxiyn: ok, im looking at Xine to see if its compatable |
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| 03:43.42 | abrotman | vladster: this guy is really an idiot eh? |
| 03:43.54 | sanxiyn | greg_: Well, it's a bit new world. :-) |
| 03:44.10 | sanxiyn | greg_: What did you use as media player in your previous life |
| 03:44.16 | vladster | I don't want to shock his people too much when he takes over |
| 03:44.32 | sanxiyn | Screenshot: http://xpde.com/shots/startmenu.png |
| 03:44.36 | vladster | He is buying the company |
| 03:45.08 | abrotman | well then he should learn how to do things right |
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| 03:45.31 | vladster | That is why he asked me to review his needs |
| 03:45.39 | sanxiyn | (NO deb, but they provide x86 binary tarball) |
| 03:45.46 | greg_ | sanxiyn: haha, knoppix comes with it, i just didnt notice it untill now, in winxp i used itunes and windows media player, real, and quicktime |
| 03:45.54 | vladster | I might be able to kick out windows alltogether |
| 03:45.59 | sanxiyn | greg_: :-) |
| 03:46.05 | sanxiyn | So Knoppix comes with Xine :-) |
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| 03:46.45 | deadcat | sanxiyn: why dont you install all those and test each one out. |
| 03:46.53 | sanxiyn | deadcat: ? |
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| 03:47.02 | vladster | with each machine having its own firewall rulls, I should be able to contain any malicious behavior to a local effect |
| 03:47.03 | deadcat | sanxiyn: xine mplayer vlc what have you... |
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| 03:47.11 | sanxiyn | deadcat: I am not looking for media player. |
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| 03:48.18 | MickyMouse | Here I am so save the Day!! |
| 03:48.24 | MickyMouse | to |
| 03:48.25 | sanxiyn | deadcat: You must have confused me with others... |
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| 03:49.46 | abrotman | MickyMouse: go to hell |
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| 03:49.56 | simonrvn | nvz: don't network yourslef into a corner ;P |
| 03:50.01 | vladster | I do this right, they will wonder what I did to fix windows |
| 03:50.01 | abrotman | MickyMouse: do it again and die |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | and that's mighty mouse you dumbass |
| 03:50.27 | greg_ | sanxiyn: lol |
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| 03:50.33 | simonrvn | MickyMouse: u.s. copyright law shouldn't be lifetime + 75 years. that's just plain wrong |
| 03:51.03 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: And +50 years is okay? |
| 03:51.08 | netsplit | What's good presentation software for Linux? Something that does what M$ PowerPoint does, but better. Nothing fancy, maybe Firefox or a PDF reader can do the job? |
| 03:51.26 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Or web based presentation tool. |
| 03:51.29 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: no |
| 03:51.40 | netsplit | sanxiyn: Web-based? |
| 03:51.44 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: i like .ca's actually. nice balance |
| 03:51.47 | abrotman | kpresent ? |
| 03:51.49 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Done with CSS, Javascript, etc. |
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| 03:52.07 | sanxiyn | OOo impress actually work, some prefers magicpoint. |
| 03:52.11 | vladster | at least this way I can run a better control of file services |
| 03:52.14 | netsplit | Well, I'm not really familiar with Javascript. |
| 03:52.28 | Flimzy | I have a bunch of "phantom files" that re-appear after being deleted many times. I'm using kernel 2.4.20. The files will disappear for hours, then reappear with a seemingly random size, smaller than the original, and often containing huge amounts of zero's. |
| 03:52.44 | netsplit | simonrvn: .ca's? What's that? |
| 03:52.48 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Well you don't need to be. |
| 03:52.54 | Flimzy | So a file that originally was, say, 300mb, may be anywhere from 50-390mb... and will compress to < 300k |
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| 03:53.04 | simonrvn | netsplit: .ca is a CCTLD |
| 03:53.10 | Flimzy | Anyone have any idea what might cause this odd behavior? |
| 03:53.18 | vladster | what is a good database for inventory and service records, MySQL or is there something fully unencumbered out there freed by the GPL |
| 03:53.27 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: What is copyright law on .ca? |
| 03:53.57 | sanxiyn | vladster: Huh? |
| 03:53.58 | deadcat | why do people pay ~$250 for an airport base station (extreme) when they can simply get a belkin for practically free? |
| 03:54.00 | netsplit | sanxiyn: Can you give me an actual name or website to look up to show what you mean with a web-based one? |
| 03:54.17 | Flimzy | vladster: postgresql |
| 03:54.18 | vladster | This company maintains corperate aircraft |
| 03:54.20 | sussudio | deadcat: because it's a belkin? |
| 03:54.23 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: ho it is date of death+50 here.. i thought it was saner. ... |
| 03:54.25 | benjamindees | Flimzy, a process downloading those files in the background |
| 03:54.28 | deadcat | sussudio: they both work. |
| 03:54.29 | vladster | records are important |
| 03:54.37 | abrotman | corporate |
| 03:54.41 | sanxiyn | netsplit: There are many, but one example: |
| 03:54.42 | sanxiyn | netsplit: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/s5-intro.html |
| 03:54.44 | sussudio | deadcat: you don't remember the belkin router-comes-with-spyware incident, then? |
| 03:54.47 | deadcat | sussudio: i am pretty sure the $200 is for the design. |
| 03:54.54 | sanxiyn | netsplit: (space, pgdn/pgup to move between page, etc.) |
| 03:54.55 | deadcat | sussudio: oh. (= nope. heheh |
| 03:55.03 | abrotman | vladster: mysql has some licensing issues depending what you do |
| 03:55.22 | sussudio | deadcat: hardware router that inserted stuff into your browser and called home with your browsing habits... |
| 03:55.32 | simonrvn | vladster: pgsql. real dbms, and has not licencing issues |
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| 03:55.43 | abrotman | oh .. and works :) |
| 03:55.43 | vladster | Looking for a way to manage documentation in compliance with faa regs |
| 03:55.44 | netsplit | sanxiyn: Thank you. I will look. |
| 03:55.53 | abrotman | bah .. screw the faa! |
| 03:56.02 | deadcat | sussudio: didnt know that. those belkin fuckers. is taht only on IE or ALL browsers? |
| 03:56.04 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Really? |
| 03:56.06 | Flimzy | benjamindees: That could only happen if there is an open filehandle to those files, right? (Since this happens even if I move the files to other directories before rm'ing them) |
| 03:56.06 | sussudio | in soviet russia, faa screws you |
| 03:56.12 | sanxiyn | How is MySQL encumbered? |
| 03:56.12 | vladster | got a link? |
| 03:56.12 | abrotman | sanxiyn: ? |
| 03:56.19 | sussudio | deadcat: well, since it was asking as a proxy... all browsers |
| 03:56.19 | deadcat | faa will screw you no matter where. |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | sanxiyn: you mean licensing? |
| 03:56.30 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yes. It looks perfectly free software to me. |
| 03:56.38 | deadcat | sussudio: damn those fuckers. |
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| 03:56.49 | sanxiyn | And anyone can do anything with it. (running and using) |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it's not |
| 03:57.01 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Oh. I want details. |
| 03:57.03 | sussudio | deadcat: people forget soon anyway |
| 03:57.10 | deadcat | sussudio: best way is to setup your own using linux eh? |
| 03:57.16 | sussudio | deadcat: works for me. |
| 03:57.17 | deadcat | sussudio: no one told me shit. |
| 03:57.24 | sussudio | deadcat: it was on slashdot a while ago |
| 03:57.28 | abrotman | sanxiyn: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
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| 03:57.52 | deadcat | sussudio: i see. i guess i havent been on slashdot that long then. |
| 03:58.09 | JeaLouS | how i can remove all x-server related files |
| 03:58.09 | jesusfish | when using a stock kernel, is there a way to block certain modules from loading? |
| 03:58.10 | benjamindees | Flimzy, they reappear in other directories? |
| 03:58.17 | Flimzy | benjamindees: I don't think that explains it... b/c it happens even after I move the file to another filesystem. |
| 03:58.18 | devi0s | what package is fakeroot a part of? |
| 03:58.28 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Ah, that may matter to some product embedding MySQL, I can understand. |
| 03:58.29 | abrotman | sanxiyn: basically if oyu're not doing open source work .. or PHP .. it's not "truly" free |
| 03:58.29 | deadcat | devi0s: apt-cache search |
| 03:58.51 | deadcat | devi0s: you are one lazy bastard. |
| 03:58.54 | Flimzy | benjamindees: A typical occurance is something like this: 1) I d/l a 300mb file via P2P. 2) I mv the file to another filesystem. 3) I delete the file. 4) The file re-appears on the 2nd filesystem. |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | sanxiyn: no .. if you're say .. selling your application .. and don't provide source .. you must buy . pgsql has no such restriction |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | !tell devi0s about search |
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| 03:59.29 | sanxiyn | abrotman: That's still free, as in "free software definition". |
| 03:59.44 | Flimzy | benjamindees: If it was all on the original FS, I might think the P2P client still had a filehandle open to that inode, and was for some reason writing more data. But that can't be it since I've moved the file to another FS. |
| 03:59.49 | sanxiyn | Freedom to run (Freedom 0), to study, to distribute, to modify. |
| 03:59.56 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i'm not sure .. i'm not sure if you can modify it |
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| 04:00.13 | sanxiyn | abrotman: How can GPL prevent it? |
| 04:00.21 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i'd have to read the license .. but still .. pgsql has no restrictions .. mysql says that if you're going to sell your app .. you sohuld buy a license |
| 04:00.23 | benjamindees | Flimzy, dunno then, sounds odd to me |
| 04:00.31 | abrotman | sanxiyn: don't ask me .. ask thier lawyers :) |
| 04:00.34 | sanxiyn | abrotman: They aren't actually saying that, but close. |
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| 04:00.42 | Flimzy | benjamindees: hehe... odd for sure |
| 04:00.44 | abrotman | sanxiyn: If you distribute a proprietary application in any way, and you are not licensing and distributing your source code under GPL, you need to purchase a commercial license of MySQL |
| 04:00.48 | abrotman | from thier page |
| 04:00.52 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 04:00.59 | tatoo | hey guys, how can i mount my cdrom at hdc if it doesn't exist? |
| 04:01.04 | devi0s | deadcat, thanks man.... it's been a 20+ hour work day. |
| 04:01.04 | abrotman | sanxiyn: anyways .. pgsql has no such issues |
| 04:01.11 | deadcat | tatoo: if it doesnt exist. then you cant mount it. |
| 04:01.15 | abrotman | sanxiyn: doesn't matter to me .. i prefer pgsql anyways |
| 04:01.21 | sanxiyn | abrotman: me too :-) |
| 04:01.30 | xDCDx | is there a way to make 'screen' number consoles starting with #1, and using #0 after #9? (so I have #1 (and not #0) and I create a new console, #2 will be created) ? |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | pgsql is way easier ... and all around better :) |
| 04:01.33 | Thaiger | tatoo: Why are you trying to mount it at hdc? /dev/hdc is not a mount point |
| 04:01.40 | deadcat | devi0s: i see. (=... i guess i just need a job or do some school reading. (=... tis lazy. |
| 04:01.43 | Flimzy | MS SQL doesn't have that restriction, either! |
| 04:01.45 | jesusfish | when using a stock kernel, is there a way to block certain modules from loading? |
| 04:01.59 | tatoo | deadcat: Thaiger that is the info i got from dmesg |
| 04:02.00 | deadcat | jesusfish: you have hotplug? |
| 04:02.14 | simonrvn | abrotman: less of a headache too |
| 04:02.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: yes |
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| 04:02.21 | deadcat | tatoo: Thaiger? |
| 04:02.24 | tatoo | deadcat: i'm trying to mount it...but there is no references for cdrom at /dev/ |
| 04:02.26 | Flimzy | tatoo: You get what info from dmesg? |
| 04:02.39 | tatoo | deadcat: sorry...i wrote 2 names... |
| 04:02.42 | Thaiger | tatoo: /dev/hdc points to where the cdrom usually sits in the ide chain |
| 04:02.46 | abrotman | simonrvn: i've often wondered .. if i'm developing a site for web .. using say .. java .. do i have to buy mysql license? |
| 04:02.49 | tatoo | Flimzy: let me see here... |
| 04:02.49 | deadcat | tatoo: you saying /dev/hdc doesnt exist? |
| 04:02.54 | Flimzy | tatoo: Then don't use /dev/cdrom. use /dev/<whatever device your CD-ROM is> |
| 04:03.03 | Flimzy | tatoo: or create a symlink |
| 04:03.05 | simonrvn | abrotman: nfc :| |
| 04:03.08 | Thaiger | tatoo: usually you mount /dev/hdc to /media/cdrom0 |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | simonrvn: technically .. i've not licensed my code under a license .. so it's not really open source i guess . |
| 04:03.30 | sanxiyn | abrotman: ??? |
| 04:03.37 | abrotman | sanxiyn: why? |
| 04:03.38 | deadcat | tatoo: not if your box is woody or started from woody (= |
| 04:03.39 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Using GPL'd software in any way, is okay. |
| 04:03.39 | abrotman | er what? |
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| 04:03.45 | simonrvn | abrotman: that's implied yes |
| 04:03.46 | tatoo | Flimzy: the only reference for hd* i have here is /dev/hda /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 /dev/hda4 |
| 04:03.51 | abrotman | sanxiyn: java isn't gpl .. neither is my code |
| 04:03.56 | simonrvn | abrotman: you then need to set a copyright on it |
| 04:03.59 | Flimzy | abrotman: If you _publish_ it without a copyright notice, it becomes public domain (at least under U.S. (c) law as I understand it) |
| 04:04.00 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i believe that means i have to buy it |
| 04:04.05 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Using GPL with anything, proprietary, Java, whatever, is okay. |
| 04:04.09 | Flimzy | abrotman: If you just _have_ it, unpublished, then you still own all rights |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | Flimzy: think that holds up in court? :) |
| 04:04.16 | tatoo | Flimzy: symlink point for a device that i can't find? |
| 04:04.18 | sanxiyn | abrotman: GPL viralness comes when you made "derived work". |
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| 04:04.21 | abrotman | Flimzy: so it's not open |
| 04:04.29 | abrotman | Flimzy: i haven't released the code |
| 04:04.32 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Your Java web page is not derived work of MySQL, so no problem at all. |
| 04:04.39 | simonrvn | Flimzy: it is dependent on which country... :) |
| 04:04.41 | vulture | sanxiyn: depends what you mean by "with".. using GPL on a derived work that has an incompatible license. for example |
| 04:04.41 | sanxiyn | abrotman: GPL works by copyright, not by magic. |
| 04:04.42 | deadcat | i need an airport card. |
| 04:04.47 | Thaiger | Tatoo: you build this machine? |
| 04:04.51 | abrotman | sanxiyn: but my code isn't open .. i should have to buy a license .. |
| 04:04.54 | tatoo | Thaiger: yes |
| 04:05.00 | sanxiyn | abrotman: AFAIK, absolutely no. |
| 04:05.01 | greg_ | i have no sound for any programs in knoppix |
| 04:05.03 | vulture | abrotman: which code? |
| 04:05.03 | abrotman | sanxiyn: there is no except for java .. JSP .. just PHP |
| 04:05.03 | Flimzy | abrotman: Then you still own full rights. If you put it on a web site, or somesuch, without adding a copyright notice, then (that version) should become public domain. I think :) |
| 04:05.07 | sanxiyn | GPL doesn't restrict running in any way. |
| 04:05.09 | vulture | abrotman: license for what? |
| 04:05.10 | deadcat | tatoo: dmesg|grep ^hd |
| 04:05.17 | tatoo | Thaiger: thus i can't understand why the cdrom can't work anymore... |
| 04:05.17 | greg_ | i have no sound for any programs in knoppix can anyone help |
| 04:05.22 | abrotman | Flimzy: that's not the code .. that's the presentation |
| 04:05.26 | abrotman | vulture: mysql |
| 04:05.27 | vladster | this is a rule, never do business with neighbors |
| 04:05.34 | deadcat | greg_: this is #debian. try #knoppix |
| 04:05.40 | greg_ | ok |
| 04:05.49 | greg_ | deadcat: thanx |
| 04:05.55 | Flimzy | abrotman: Anything that is "published" without a (c) notice becomes PD (Again, In the U.S... and again, according to my understanding) |
| 04:05.56 | vulture | abrotman: why would you need that? you can release code that uses mysql libs without having to distribute mysql with your code, and you haven't written a derived work |
| 04:05.57 | deadcat | vladster: what happened with your neighbor? |
| 04:06.11 | sanxiyn | abrotman: MySQL "allowing" PHP is no-op. They have no right for PHP programs using MySQL. |
| 04:06.17 | abrotman | Flimzy: but when you visit the site .. you don't see the code .. you see the end result |
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| 04:06.20 | Flimzy | abrotman: If you "publish" the binaries w/o (c), they become PD. If you "publish" the source w/o (c) notice, that becomes PD, etc. |
| 04:06.24 | deadcat | vladster: deal went bad and he was like "mother fucker i know where you live bitch!" |
| 04:06.26 | tatoo | there he is... |
| 04:06.31 | benjamindees | Flimzy, that's not my understanding, but I could be wrong |
| 04:06.41 | Thaiger | tatoo: so it used to work in debian, but not now? |
| 04:06.41 | vladster | He is the one buying the company, if something goes sour, I will neer hear the end of it |
| 04:06.45 | benjamindees | Flimzy, I thought everything was automatically copyrighted upon publication |
| 04:06.51 | Flimzy | abrotman: Then only the presentation would be PD (if no (c) is present) |
| 04:06.52 | abrotman | vulture: because i'm using it .. my "app" isn't open source .. |
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| 04:06.59 | tatoo | Thaiger: there is no files into the /media/ directory |
| 04:07.02 | simonrvn | benjamindees: it is. and it's non-open |
| 04:07.04 | abrotman | Flimzy: right .. i retain the JSP rights still .. |
| 04:07.06 | sanxiyn | abrotman: You are free to use any GPL product. Not derive. |
| 04:07.09 | deadcat | tatoo: then create it |
| 04:07.12 | jesusfish | deadcat: ya, I have hotplug |
| 04:07.14 | simonrvn | benjamindees: unless you say so otherwise |
| 04:07.20 | abrotman | sanxiyn: not according to mysql.com |
| 04:07.21 | Flimzy | benjamindees: It probably depends on the method of publication. I know that e-mails were recently (as in within the last 10-20 years) deemed (c)ed upon publication. |
| 04:07.22 | deadcat | jesusfish: check /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 04:07.23 | vulture | abrotman: you are using mysql, you have written an app taht uses mysql, ok.. so why do you think you need a mysql license? |
| 04:07.24 | Thaiger | tatoo: Did the cdrom work in Debian before? |
| 04:07.24 | benjamindees | simonrvn, right, you still need a license to redistribute it |
| 04:07.24 | sanxiyn | Certainly Java codes are in no way derivative of MySQL. |
| 04:07.29 | sanxiyn | abrotman: That's invalid, then. |
| 04:07.30 | vladster | He won't do that but it will sour him for any positive change |
| 04:07.34 | sanxiyn | abrotman: MySQL is GPL'd software. |
| 04:07.36 | abrotman | vulture: read the license .. it's not free .. not |
| 04:07.37 | jesusfish | deadcat: perfect, thx |
| 04:07.40 | simonrvn | benjamindees: exactly |
| 04:07.42 | abrotman | sanxiyn: it's dual licensed |
| 04:07.44 | jesusfish | deadcat: I knew there was file somehwere |
| 04:07.47 | tatoo | Thaiger: i remember i installed this box using the network option...so i have never needed the cdrom to install it. |
| 04:07.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:07.51 | vulture | abrotman: which aspects of the license do you have problems with? |
| 04:07.53 | sanxiyn | abrotman: That doesn't change the fact it is GPL licensed. |
| 04:07.58 | tatoo | Thaiger: not, it didn't |
| 04:07.59 | abrotman | http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ |
| 04:08.03 | jesusfish | deadcat: but I've been running custom kernels for so long |
| 04:08.04 | abrotman | sanxiyn: yes it does |
| 04:08.04 | vladster | time to make the core rings |
| 04:08.06 | Thaiger | tatoo: How many partitions do you have? |
| 04:08.09 | sanxiyn | abrotman: How? |
| 04:08.12 | Flimzy | benjamindees: But I suspect that if you were to publish a mass (snail)mailing with your e-mail on it, and no claim to ownership, that it would become PD at that point. |
| 04:08.12 | vladster | later all |
| 04:08.13 | tatoo | Thaiger: 4 |
| 04:08.15 | deadcat | dont think mysql is gpl. thats why they ask for $ |
| 04:08.17 | abrotman | sanxiyn: they say i need a commerical license if my app is not open source |
| 04:08.27 | abrotman | If your software is licensed under either the GPL-compatible Free Software License as defined by the Free Software Foundation or approved by OSI, then use our GPL licensed version. |
| 04:08.27 | abrotman | If you distribute a proprietary application in any way, and you are not licensing and distributing your source code under GPL, you need to purchase a commercial license of MySQL |
| 04:08.30 | Flimzy | benjamindees: The event of the Internet has changed traditional definitions of "publish" drastically |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | AFAICT .. i have to buy a license for a JSP website |
| 04:08.46 | sanxiyn | abrotman: That is only if you include MySQL in your app. |
| 04:08.50 | abrotman | but i do |
| 04:08.52 | abrotman | i use it |
| 04:08.54 | sanxiyn | abrotman: JSP is separate from MySQL. |
| 04:09.01 | tatoo | Thaiger: 1 - /boot/ 2 - / 3 - /swap 4 - /home |
| 04:09.11 | dan2 | abrotman: using it isn't the same as selling an app with mysql embedded |
| 04:09.12 | sanxiyn | abrotman: If you're using it through (say) JDBC, MySQL can be replaced by any other DB. |
| 04:09.15 | Thaiger | tatoo: /dev/hdc just says where it sits in the IDE chain, if its somewhere else it could be the other hd*s could be that drive |
| 04:09.15 | Wyzard | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-sid -- I think there's a mistake in that paragraph... "sid" is not "unstable" |
| 04:09.23 | deadcat | tatoo: did dmesg|grep ^hd give you hdc or hdd? |
| 04:09.26 | vulture | abrotman / sanxiyn: ok, lets just hold up a second. |
| 04:09.29 | hikenboot | I get the following errors in my boot log and I think its related to the fact i cant print can anyone help? |
| 04:09.29 | hikenboot | Bug#284558 |
| 04:09.32 | tatoo | deadcat: i never created it before... |
| 04:09.33 | caphuso | Wyzard: what? |
| 04:09.34 | abrotman | dan2: but let's say i were a consultant selling a JSP site ... i would be selling the DB with the JSP essentially |
| 04:09.41 | vulture | abrotman: when the licensing content says "MySQL AB" what does it mean exactly? |
| 04:09.51 | vulture | abrotman: not really.. |
| 04:09.51 | abrotman | vulture: some german crap :) |
| 04:09.54 | Flimzy | tatoo: How many hard drives and CD drives do you have in your computer? |
| 04:09.57 | deadcat | dan2: havent seen you in a while. got riched or something? |
| 04:09.59 | dan2 | abrotman: if you are selling it with a prebuilt database, then yes |
| 04:10.02 | vulture | abrotman: that's not going to be a sufficient answer |
| 04:10.05 | caphuso | Wyzard: /debian/dists$ ls -l unstable |
| 04:10.05 | caphuso | lrwxrwxrwx 1 1176 1176 3 Jan 13 06:09 unstable@ -> sid |
| 04:10.10 | dan2 | deadcat: working |
| 04:10.11 | jesusfish | deadcat: does hotplug control all modules, not just USB? |
| 04:10.12 | vulture | if you were selling the contents of a database you'd be bound, basically |
| 04:10.14 | deadcat | dan2: ah. |
| 04:10.15 | caphuso | Wyzard: straight from ftp.debian.org |
| 04:10.18 | abrotman | dan2: right |
| 04:10.19 | Thaiger | tatoo: Just do a dmesg | grep ^hd and look for something that says ATAPI CDrom or something like that |
| 04:10.21 | vulture | but you can write a java/jdbc app without binding to any database |
| 04:10.26 | deadcat | jesusfish: i think it does... |
| 04:10.33 | vulture | the biggest issue would be redistribution of the mysql jdbc driver |
| 04:10.37 | vulture | not mysql itself |
| 04:10.38 | abrotman | vulture: i was just pointing out that pgsql is more free |
| 04:10.38 | dan2 | abrotman: you could always sell it with sql and not the database and make them load it into their database |
| 04:10.45 | abrotman | dan2: i could |
| 04:10.48 | Wyzard | caphuso: Eek, brain fart... I was thinking "experimental" was "sid" for some reason |
| 04:10.52 | jesusfish | deadcat: stok kernels load so many modules |
| 04:10.55 | vulture | if you really nisisted on distributing mysql with the app, then you'd run in to the real licensing issues |
| 04:10.57 | hikenboot | this is the boot log error pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:\_SB_.PCI0 evaluate _BBN fail=0x5 |
| 04:11.00 | Wyzard | caphuso: Sorry, ignore me, I usually know better :-) |
| 04:11.00 | sanxiyn | Still, my understanding is, since GPL doesn't work by magic(TM), it's only okay to use MySQL, with non-derivative work of MySQL in any way. |
| 04:11.08 | deadcat | jesusfish: because you have loads of hardwares (=. |
| 04:11.08 | hikenboot | its an hp printer |
| 04:11.11 | vulture | abrotman: ok, just a general relative scale of freeness, rather than a specific problem |
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| 04:11.15 | jesusfish | deadcat: not quite |
| 04:11.29 | abrotman | vulture: i don't have a problem .. i try not to use mysql |
| 04:11.41 | abrotman | vulture: but it is a barrier .. which i think few people realize exists |
| 04:11.43 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: It's okay to use MySQL so long as you aren't selling your end-result. |
| 04:11.46 | benjamindees | Flimzy, right, is aptly violating copyright by repeating things that people 'say' in this chatroom, etc... |
| 04:11.50 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: Basically, they don't want you getting rich off of their code. |
| 04:11.52 | abrotman | Flimzy: no .. distributing |
| 04:11.57 | vulture | sanxiyn: I wouldn't bet on that. A company can issue a GPL license to a client only under certain cases if they want. |
| 04:12.00 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: I don't understand that part though. |
| 04:12.03 | abrotman | Flimzy: if you give away your binary .. you have to pay |
| 04:12.11 | tatoo | Flimzy: i just powered off my computer to leave just one drive...a cd-rw |
| 04:12.17 | Flimzy | abrotman: What if you give away your source? |
| 04:12.23 | sanxiyn | vulture: And any GPL licensed people can "distribute" it to others too... |
| 04:12.26 | tatoo | Thaiger: the dmesg output |
| 04:12.28 | abrotman | Flimzy: if the license is GPL compatible |
| 04:12.30 | Wyzard | vulture: Only if they're the original author of the software in question (though that's true in this case, it isn't always) |
| 04:12.30 | Flimzy | tatoo: How many *hard drives* do you have as well? |
| 04:12.34 | sanxiyn | vulture: GPL is to everyone, or to none. |
| 04:12.38 | vulture | Wyzard: certainly |
| 04:12.49 | tatoo | deadcat: the dmesg output |
| 04:12.51 | Flimzy | abrotman: ic |
| 04:12.51 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: Not true |
| 04:12.53 | netsplit | sanxiyn: If I were to use the XHTML/CSS/Javascript-based slideshow system, how do you think I can convert it to PDF? |
| 04:12.56 | vulture | sanxiyn: it's a little hairier than that |
| 04:13.00 | Flimzy | Well... I think MySQL sucks anyway. So it's a non-issue for me. |
| 04:13.02 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: Not true in theory, but almost true. |
| 04:13.11 | tatoo | Flimzy: one |
| 04:13.12 | vulture | Flimzy: indeed |
| 04:13.13 | sanxiyn | netsplit: I fear you can't. |
| 04:13.14 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: what is a "GPL licensed person"? |
| 04:13.29 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Someone who received GPL'd code from the author. |
| 04:13.31 | Flimzy | tatoo: Okay... Are the hard drive and CD-ROM drive physically connected to the same IDE cable? |
| 04:13.36 | Wyzard | sanxiyn: If you someone gives you a program under the terms of the GPL, you can only redistribute it under the GPL. If you write the program yourself, you can distribute it with whatever license you want. |
| 04:13.44 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: He can give it to anyone, the author doesn't really want to give it. |
| 04:13.52 | sanxiyn | Wyzard: Yup. |
| 04:13.53 | deadcat | Flimzy: means if you fuck that person. you have to let others know you fucked him/her |
| 04:13.54 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: So in otherwords "Anyone who draws breath"? |
| 04:13.58 | netsplit | sanxiyn: What do you suggest that can be turned into PDF? |
| 04:14.13 | tatoo | Flimzy: no |
| 04:14.17 | sanxiyn | netsplit: PDF and Web is different thing. |
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| 04:14.31 | Flimzy | tatoo: Okay... then (most likely) your CD drive is /dev/hdc, and your hard drive /dev/hda |
| 04:14.34 | netsplit | sanxiyn: I'm looking for a slideshow system. It doesn't have to be online. |
| 04:14.44 | Flimzy | tatoo: So try "mount /dev/hdc /mnt" |
| 04:14.47 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Web based systems are in no way online. |
| 04:14.48 | Flimzy | tatoo: and see if it mounts the CD |
| 04:14.51 | tatoo | Flimzy: ok |
| 04:14.56 | sanxiyn | It's HTML with some CSS and like. |
| 04:15.01 | deadcat | tatoo: dammit. try apt-get install eject && eject /dev/hdc |
| 04:15.02 | hikenboot | the printer problem if its not related to the error...is print jobs appear in cueue but never print out |
| 04:15.08 | sanxiyn | (Can be used offline without problem) |
| 04:15.08 | hikenboot | its configured in cups |
| 04:15.14 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: s/in no way/not necissarily/ |
| 04:15.17 | netsplit | sanxiyn: OK, s/online/XHTML/ |
| 04:15.18 | Wyzard | Flimzy: btw, my manager was considering using MySQL on a project at work, and he contacted the company and was told that you're not eligible for the GPL license if you *use* MySQL in your product, even if you don't *distribute* MySQL along with your product. |
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| 04:15.49 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Well, I don't know all presentation systems that can be used on Linux. I am not catalogueing. |
| 04:15.51 | tatoo | deadcat: it didn't work |
| 04:15.52 | bwbettin | How do I copy Everything (including hidden files) from one directory to another? I created a new user and wanted to copy ALL of my files to it. I did "cp -r sourcedir/* targetdir/", but it didn't copy the hidden "." files. |
| 04:15.53 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Well... as I said, MySQL sucks anyway, so why bother with the legalities? Just use postgresql. |
| 04:15.58 | vulture | Wyzard: yeah, their website lists a number of business uses of MySQL that must have the commercial license |
| 04:16.01 | tatoo | Flimzy: it didn't mount.... |
| 04:16.01 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Certainly there are many :-) |
| 04:16.03 | vulture | Flimzy: precisely |
| 04:16.03 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I wouldn't trust MySQL for a commercial product anyway. |
| 04:16.08 | tatoo | Flimzy: i must specify the FS |
| 04:16.09 | Flimzy | tatoo: what did it say? |
| 04:16.14 | tatoo | Flimzy: iso9660? |
| 04:16.14 | deadcat | tatoo: you mean not ejecting? are you in the cdrom group? chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 04:16.15 | netsplit | sanxiyn: OK, thanks anyway. |
| 04:16.26 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I agree, and I prefer PostgreSQL too... just thought I'd point it out though |
| 04:16.30 | Flimzy | tatoo: add '-t iso9660' then |
| 04:16.32 | sanxiyn | netsplit: I also mentioned Impress and MagicPoint. Both works. |
| 04:16.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm surprised they don't force like oracle or db2 on you :) |
| 04:16.51 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Or you could always convince your boss to install Oracle, then laugh when he gets a smaller bonus at Xmas :P |
| 04:16.54 | benjamindees | Wyzard, yes, mysql tries to enforce an overly strict interpretation of copyright |
| 04:16.57 | netsplit | sanxiyn: OK, I'll look into those next, thanks. |
| 04:17.13 | tatoo | Flimzy: "special device /dev/hdc does not exist". can u understand that? |
| 04:17.37 | Flimzy | tatoo: hmm... weird. somebody deleted /dev/hdc. Try this: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV hdc |
| 04:17.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: No need for it, really... the database in question isn't all that large |
| 04:17.47 | tatoo | deadcat: i'm root...should i change group anyway?? |
| 04:17.53 | deadcat | tatoo: nah. |
| 04:17.53 | abrotman | somehow .. we go through that entire thing without a mysql bigot .. how bout that |
| 04:18.01 | sanxiyn | netsplit: Too bad, I've not found a match for Keynote yet. |
| 04:18.07 | deadcat | tatoo: dmesg |grep ^hd didnt show anything? |
| 04:18.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know .. but sometimes .. that's just the way it is (tm) |
| 04:18.12 | benjamindees | Wyzard, actually the standard is whether your product, that uses mysql, represents a derivative work of mysql, or whether it can stand on it's own without it |
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| 04:18.20 | sanxiyn | netsplit: (Mac OS presentation tool) |
| 04:18.38 | netsplit | sanxiyn: Yeah, too bad I don't have a Mac Laptop :) |
| 04:18.57 | tatoo | Flimzy: i ran...but it didn't create any device. |
| 04:18.58 | netsplit | I have Windows XP on the laptop with PowerPoint, but we don't like M$ products. ;) |
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| 04:19.16 | Wyzard | benjamindees: But the question is, what constitutes a "derivative work" ? :-) |
| 04:19.23 | deadcat | netsplit: but you have windows xp on the laptop? |
| 04:19.25 | benjamindees | Wyzard, right, derivative works precedents can get hairy |
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| 04:19.33 | Flimzy | tatoo: do 'ls -la /dev/hdc' Does that do anything? |
| 04:19.34 | hikenboot | this url has an explanation on how to get rid of the message but i think the problem has to do with the printer not fuctioning |
| 04:19.35 | hikenboot | http://groups-beta.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/a97322a7331c0ba/01dbff3c41ff3c69?q=pciehp&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26q%3Dpciehp%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#01dbff3c41ff3c69 |
| 04:19.39 | abrotman | i think we shold all write mysql.com an email and ask them to clarify |
| 04:19.42 | netsplit | deadcat: It have XP and Redhat on the laptop. |
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| 04:19.55 | deadcat | netsplit: then stop bitching. |
| 04:20.04 | netsplit | deadcat: Bitching? |
| 04:20.09 | sanxiyn | Derivative work is, that you can show exact copy or too similar code (with line number) between two works. |
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| 04:20.17 | hikenboot | since usb is supposed to be hotpluggable ...I would think it would disable usb function |
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| 04:20.28 | tatoo | Flimzy: no such file or directory |
| 04:20.30 | caphuso | derivative work is what the judge decides it to be |
| 04:20.33 | deadcat | netsplit: (=... by the way. vga output on a mac laptop sucks. |
| 04:20.34 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 04:20.45 | netsplit | I don't know what I've bitched about ... |
| 04:20.58 | sanxiyn | (with line number, or with byte offset, etc.) |
| 04:21.16 | sanxiyn | Also, that "copy" or "similar" portion need to be creative work. |
| 04:21.28 | sanxiyn | (Not something mandated by the standard, etc.) |
| 04:21.36 | tatoo | deadcat: |
| 04:21.37 | Flimzy | tatoo: Try this then: mknod /dev/hdc b 22 0 |
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| 04:22.06 | Flimzy | tatoo: wait |
| 04:22.15 | tatoo | Flimzy: good |
| 04:22.20 | tatoo | Flimzy: what? |
| 04:22.24 | tatoo | Flimzy: it created. |
| 04:22.28 | benjamindees | sanxiyn, it can go beyond that, a script that downloads and compiles non-free sourcecode can be considered a derivative work |
| 04:22.30 | MagusXI | hello, just got done compiling a kernel, everything works great except the mouse nor keyboard work...does the mice ps/2 in /dev/psaux have to be built in or module? |
| 04:22.30 | Flimzy | tatoo: Okay... fine then. |
| 04:22.34 | Flimzy | tatoo: now see if you can mount |
| 04:22.48 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 04:22.48 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 04:22.51 | sanxiyn | benjamindees: I don't think so, but I agree that the line can be nebulous. |
| 04:22.57 | Flimzy | tatoo: Also run these commands: chown root.disk /dev/hdc; chmod 0660 /dev/hdc |
| 04:22.58 | tatoo | Flimzy: ok |
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| 04:23.51 | MagusXI | does mouse interface have to be built in or a module in kernel 2.6.10 config |
| 04:24.29 | deadcat | don_inlab: what version of debian are you running the gallery on? |
| 04:24.32 | drac | MagusXI: both works. |
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| 04:24.48 | MagusXI | well they are all built in and my mouse nor keyboard works |
| 04:25.08 | MagusXI | is their a different option in menuconfig that influences mouses or keyboards? |
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| 04:25.12 | abrotman | deadcat: it usually says .. |
| 04:25.18 | abrotman | deadcat: if it is the app gallery |
| 04:25.53 | devi0s | how do I configure X on debian? |
| 04:25.53 | Flimzy | I think it's time to watch some sci-fi TV then go to bed |
| 04:25.56 | devi0s | !xfree |
| 04:25.56 | drac | MagusXI: yes, there are several. depends on type of your kerboard and mouse. |
| 04:25.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xfree86 is proof that world has gone mad, or a free open-source implementation of X11. http://www.xfree86.org/ or ask me about "install xf4" or "x.org", or something that moves so slowly, it doesn't feel like it's moved in years |
| 04:26.07 | tatoo | Flimzy: good! |
| 04:26.07 | MagusXI | they are both ps/2 |
| 04:26.08 | deadcat | abrotman: no. we are using the perl gallery with apache module |
| 04:26.09 | tatoo | Flimzy: |
| 04:26.11 | abrotman | !drxx devi0s |
| 04:26.12 | dpkg | devi0s: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:26.13 | MagusXI | in /dev/psaux as mouse |
| 04:26.20 | deadcat | abrotman: my icons are not showing up. |
| 04:26.22 | abrotman | deadcat: ah .. ok |
| 04:26.23 | Flimzy | tatoo: working? |
| 04:26.48 | MagusXI | the connector to the mouse and keyboard are round |
| 04:26.49 | tatoo | Flimzy: yes! should i use these commands if i wanna install another cdrom? |
| 04:27.00 | tatoo | Flimzy: but w/ hdd for instance? |
| 04:27.02 | MagusXI | with some pins that resembles an s-video cord |
| 04:27.07 | Flimzy | tatoo: You shouldn't ahve to... those device files *should* have already existed. I don't know why they didn't. |
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| 04:27.24 | Flimzy | tatoo: they were probably accidentally deleted |
| 04:27.29 | spoofer | Hi all,simple question: did anybody recently buy a digital camera at bestbuy and was successfull to get it to work with linux? If yes, which camera? |
| 04:27.34 | skip_ | hi all...what do I type in console to determine y current colour depth? |
| 04:28.03 | mindphasr | spoofer: I have a Canon Powershot S70 and a S50. both work fine. You check out gphoto? |
| 04:28.09 | MagusXI | my mouse is a PS/2 what kernel options influence this? |
| 04:28.15 | MagusXI | like in menuconfig |
| 04:28.22 | MagusXI | the PS/2 is built in |
| 04:28.25 | Flimzy | spoofer: Almost any camera now can work in Linux, since most cameras nowdays just use flash memory cards, which are (all?) supported in Linux |
| 04:28.31 | MagusXI | and mouse support is built in |
| 04:28.33 | tatoo | Flimzy: can i burn a debian iso directly from this extension for a cd? will it be bootable? |
| 04:28.54 | Flimzy | tatoo: You'll need to use cdrecord or cdrdao or somesuch. You might prefer one of the front ends like XCDRoast |
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| 04:29.10 | spoofer | mindphasr: no, I'm discovering digital camera.. so is gphoto to be able to tell me which camera a compatible? |
| 04:29.29 | spoofer | Flimzy: ok, thanks, I just wanted to be sure.. |
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| 04:29.50 | Flimzy | spoofer: Even most cameras that plug in directly with a USB cable work as a USB hard drive. |
| 04:30.01 | tatoo | Flimzy: k3b |
| 04:30.03 | tatoo | ? |
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| 04:30.06 | EdibleText | spoofer, get a camera with a standard compact flash card. If you have pcmcia slot you can use a pcmcia flashcard adapter. most cameras have a usb hdd interface as well |
| 04:30.16 | useruser_ | when i plug in a hard drive via usb, how do I get the permissions set up so that the device is accessible to a given user/group? |
| 04:30.20 | Flimzy | tatoo: I've never used that one, so I can't comment on it, but it will likely do what you need. |
| 04:30.24 | mindphasr | spoofer: http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php |
| 04:30.39 | spoofer | Flimzy: thanks! |
| 04:30.42 | Flimzy | useruser_: man fstab / man mount |
| 04:30.57 | hikenboot | trying kernel 2.6.8-2 to see if it fixes problem but i doubt it |
| 04:31.03 | useruser_ | Flimzy: I mean the device permissions... |
| 04:31.10 | spoofer | EdibleText: thanks also :-) |
| 04:31.23 | spoofer | mindphasr: let me check that ;-) |
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| 04:31.33 | Flimzy | useruser_: you mean like /dev/sda1? |
| 04:31.35 | useruser_ | Flimzy: as in, i plug the disk in and the device magically starts functioning. I want the permissions to be magically sorted out too |
| 04:31.36 | Flimzy | useruser_: man chmod |
| 04:31.38 | useruser_ | Flimzy: yes |
| 04:31.42 | Flimzy | useruser_: or man chown |
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| 04:32.06 | Flimzy | useruser_: Then you need man chown, chmod, fstab, *and* mount |
| 04:32.28 | useruser_ | Flimzy: christ |
| 04:32.52 | useruser_ | Flimzy: i've read all those pages in the past... it's putting them together that's a little trick |
| 04:32.55 | useruser_ | y |
| 04:33.00 | Flimzy | useruser_: chmod and chown so that a user can mount the filesystem (you might consider sudo instead, or even automount), and fstab/mount to set up the permissions on the filesystem when it's mounted. |
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| 04:33.50 | useruser_ | Flimzy: does hotplug spring into life when i plug in a usb disk? can i use that to do things automatically? |
| 04:34.00 | tatoo | see u guys. thanks a lot |
| 04:34.11 | takatumi | MagusXI: have you compiled in event interface? |
| 04:34.33 | Flimzy | useruser_: Is that a package? I've never used it, so I don't know. |
| 04:34.48 | MagusXI | dont know is that in input devices? |
| 04:34.53 | MagusXI | hold on il look |
| 04:34.53 | Flimzy | useruser_: even so, you'll still need to modify fstab |
| 04:34.55 | useruser_ | Flimzy: apt-cache show hotplug |
| 04:34.55 | MagusXI | it may be a module |
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| 04:35.08 | useruser_ | Flimzy: well the point is that hotplug does lots of this modification stuff on the fly |
| 04:35.13 | useruser_ | Flimzy: i think :) |
| 04:35.16 | takatumi | MagusXI: then load it, evdev |
| 04:35.17 | MagusXI | Yes event interface is a Module |
| 04:35.26 | _joey | how do I upgrade to sarge? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 04:35.30 | MagusXI | im going to build it in |
| 04:35.39 | MagusXI | evdev..? |
| 04:35.43 | takatumi | MagusXI: no need, module will work fine. |
| 04:35.50 | MagusXI | ok |
| 04:35.54 | spoofer | mindphasr: ok I found what I wanted, thanks a lot |
| 04:35.56 | MagusXI | you think that was my problem |
| 04:36.10 | takatumi | MagusXI: that's my hunch. |
| 04:36.35 | _joey | someone should know it |
| 04:36.44 | EdibleText | _joey, you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list; then do the update and dist-upgrade |
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| 04:36.57 | Flimzy | useruser_: well then I guess read the manual for hotplug |
| 04:37.05 | opencool | I would like to know, why I should use GTK2 instead of Qt when writing an app? What are the advantages? |
| 04:37.43 | _joey | oki |
| 04:37.44 | opencool | I read about both and both seems to be great. |
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| 04:38.30 | MagusXI | brb |
| 04:39.12 | benjamindees | if it's a commercial app, you need a license from trolltech to redistribute with qt |
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| 04:40.12 | Flimzy | opencool: sounds like pizza toppings to me |
| 04:40.55 | benjamindees | opencool, the userlinux website/list have extensive discussion of that topic |
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| 04:41.04 | Flimzy | opencool: For a direct comparison, I'd look at mailing lists for the two libraries, and see what ppl say |
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| 04:41.38 | Newport | hi |
| 04:41.54 | Newport | i try to get my rebuilt kernel to boot and i get this,, |
| 04:42.19 | Newport | VFS: cannnot open root device "hda1" or unknow block (0,0) -> plea append a correct "root=" boot option -> kernel panic : vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) |
| 04:43.00 | takatumi | Newport: if you haven't figured out how to get rid of initrd, use --initrd with make-kpkg |
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| 04:43.23 | Newport | takatumi, what am i missing to get rid of it? |
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| 04:44.25 | takatumi | Newport: root file system and related hardware |
| 04:44.27 | cowbud | Newport: /dev/hda1? |
| 04:44.52 | Newport | cowbud, yeah? |
| 04:44.52 | siva | hi can one tell why the vcd burnt using cdrdao on debian have pauses between them? The picture is not continuous...plays for 1 minute and pause and the same continous |
| 04:44.57 | cowbud | hrmm |
| 04:44.59 | cowbud | psycho |
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| 04:45.32 | Newport | takatumi, im buiding it by "make-kpkg kernel_image" |
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| 04:45.53 | siva | when I burnt the same bin, cue files on fedora it was good |
| 04:45.57 | Newport | am i missing something? ive done this before on redhat and slackware and never had this problem |
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| 04:46.15 | cg0def | what is the easiest way to find a fast mirror? |
| 04:46.20 | takatumi | Newport: which kernel? |
| 04:46.24 | siva | what's wrong with vcd burning on debian? |
| 04:46.29 | Newport | takatumi, 2.6.8 |
| 04:46.50 | Newport | siva, i burn vcds on debain all the time.. nothing wrong with it |
| 04:47.02 | Newport | siva, ehat kernel u running? |
| 04:47.19 | siva | i am running 2.6.9xxxx |
| 04:47.37 | Newport | siva, dont use cdrecord |
| 04:47.48 | Newport | cdrdao write --device /dev/hdb --eject --overburn movie.cue |
| 04:47.51 | siva | no I am using cdrdao |
| 04:47.54 | Newport | thats all u need |
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| 04:48.34 | siva | does the load on the system makes the difference? |
| 04:49.04 | opencool | benjamindees, userlinux.org? |
| 04:49.05 | Newport | siva, yeah dont burn cd's if your load is high... |
| 04:49.11 | siva | at that time(at the time when I burnt vcd) i was running some applications simultaneoulsy |
| 04:49.36 | takatumi | Newport: this config boots without initrd, http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.8vin0810 diff it with yours, might help. |
| 04:49.37 | Newport | siva, thats fine.. burnproof should handle your buffer |
| 04:50.08 | siva | do I need to install burnproof? |
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| 04:52.15 | takatumi | Newport: look for items related to your root file system and device drivers IDE/SCSI etc. |
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| 04:52.35 | deadcat | Alias /icons/gallery/ "/usr/share/libapache-gallery-perl/icons/" |
| 04:52.48 | deadcat | suddently doesnt work on my webserver anymore |
| 04:53.27 | siva | Newport r u there? |
| 04:54.14 | drac | siva: methinks burnproof is feature of your hardware. |
| 04:54.23 | drac | somebody correct me if i'm wrong. |
| 04:54.55 | siva | so do I need to apply some flag..? |
| 04:55.22 | siva | when I burn vcds? |
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| 04:56.32 | niro | Hi all! |
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| 05:00.14 | MIks | Do you guys think that 22ppm for a laser printer is fast or slow? |
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| 05:01.26 | nevyn | MIks: it's above average I would imagine. |
| 05:01.33 | nevyn | it's hardly a 100ppm monster tho. |
| 05:02.13 | MIks | I mean, there are many printers around 22ppm that cost around $1,000, and others for 1/2 that price...what's the differnece? |
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| 05:03.00 | nevyn | 14ppm ? |
| 05:03.12 | nevyn | MIks: color or b/w ? |
| 05:03.19 | MIks | b/w |
| 05:03.21 | devi0s | resolution |
| 05:03.42 | nevyn | you can buy a color laser here for AUD 1000 (USD 700ish) |
| 05:04.06 | cafuego | nevyn: Officeworks has even cheaper ones |
| 05:04.09 | z4ch | Is thre a possibility that somebody could lend me a hand with getting a version of libxpm that supports "absolute paths" so that Gimp will save xpms? (Debian-Sarge with libxpm4.3). |
| 05:04.18 | cafuego | cheapy GCC lasers |
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| 05:04.37 | MIks | Dell printers any good? |
| 05:04.44 | cafuego | MIks: a world of no |
| 05:04.57 | nevyn | cafuego: I was thinking officeworks.. |
| 05:05.00 | MIks | What do they mean by 'Duty Cycle'? |
| 05:05.00 | cafuego | MIks: If you want an inkjet for Linux, get an epson. |
| 05:05.07 | devi0s | hahaha the Dell CLJ's my office just purchased are pretty solid. |
| 05:05.11 | nevyn | there was an epson for ~1200ish |
| 05:05.16 | nevyn | at officeworks |
| 05:05.24 | nevyn | MIks: how much it's in use. |
| 05:05.24 | cafuego | The problem with Dell printers is Dell ink. |
| 05:05.53 | MIks | nevyn: what do you mean how much its in use? |
| 05:06.16 | MIks | Like alot of them vary in this 'Duty cycle' thing...it doesn't relate to amt. pages you can print w/ the toner. |
| 05:06.46 | cafuego | Canon LBP2410 Colour Laser (Reduced $200) $599.00 |
| 05:07.01 | benjamindees | it's the rate at which you can print before components heat up and self destruct |
| 05:07.32 | MIks | oh ok, meaning you let it cool before reaching that amount |
| 05:07.48 | MIks | or once it reaches that you gotta throw it away? |
| 05:08.17 | deadcat | cafuego: waht to check out whats wrong with my gallery? http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ the "folder" icon suddently not working... after a upgrade i think. |
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| 05:09.17 | benjamindees | MIks, divide the duty cycle by the number of minutes in a month, and try to maintain that rate of printing |
| 05:09.33 | benjamindees | MIks, or less |
| 05:09.35 | cafuego | deadcat: Either DOCUMENT_ROOT/gallery-icons isn't there or not readable of there's a missing alias. |
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| 05:10.18 | nevyn | MIks: it's how much of the time it can be actually printing. |
| 05:10.21 | deadcat | cafuego: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/gallery-icons/ seems to be showing |
| 05:10.24 | deadcat | i am confused |
| 05:10.33 | nevyn | MIks: often expressed as a percentage or ratio |
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| 05:10.59 | cafuego | deadcat: Maybe some config directive is maiing it redirect and re-parse image files. |
| 05:11.19 | deadcat | cafuego: ok. maybe the developer fucke dup or something |
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| 05:11.27 | cafuego | deadcat: Possible. |
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| 05:11.29 | Vegan | hello |
| 05:11.30 | MIks | is this duty cycle any good: Up to 15,000 pages/month |
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| 05:11.47 | Vegan | to do a floppy install off of the internet, what is needed? |
| 05:11.47 | cafuego | MIks: Are you going to be printing 15,000 pages per month? |
| 05:11.52 | DarkPainter | hi guys |
| 05:11.58 | nevyn | MIks: it depends on your particular workload. |
| 05:12.00 | cafuego | Vegan: floppies and an internet connection. |
| 05:12.26 | Vegan | cafuego nice, you seem like a smart guy, so what disks? |
| 05:12.28 | MIks | oh ok i get it now |
| 05:12.32 | Vegan | or what images :D |
| 05:12.33 | DarkPainter | was...abrotman here before? |
| 05:12.36 | cafuego | Vegan: Depends on what you want to install. |
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| 05:12.42 | deadcat | don_inlab: dont upgrade libapache-gallery-perl yet. check my gallery. folder icons dont show up no more |
| 05:13.04 | cafuego | deadcat: Did you check error.log? |
| 05:13.04 | DarkPainter | hey deadcat, abrotman was here before wasnt he? |
| 05:13.05 | Vyrus001 | yo |
| 05:13.07 | Vegan | cafuego I want the base plus apt-get. I'll get what I need from there |
| 05:13.07 | Vyrus001 | is debian .org down ? |
| 05:13.11 | deadcat | cafuego: no errors |
| 05:13.20 | jafi | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 05:13.25 | cafuego | Vegan: No, I mean stable or testing? |
| 05:13.26 | deadcat | jafi: yes. /topic |
| 05:13.34 | Vyrus001 | jafi|| lol i think |
| 05:13.37 | Vyrus001 | i just asked that |
| 05:13.49 | MIks | What do the processors in these laser printers mean, like a 166mhz vs 200 |
| 05:13.51 | Vegan | cafuego testing |
| 05:13.52 | DarkPainter | ...... |
| 05:14.02 | nevyn | does anyone know why the mapping for the sony fixed font maps \ to print a yen character? |
| 05:14.06 | cafuego | MIks: it's irrelevant. You want one with 16MB+ ram. |
| 05:14.06 | jafi | sorry... |
| 05:14.06 | Vyrus001 | jafi|| u cant ping it anyway :P |
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| 05:14.27 | Vyrus001 | jafi|| oops i mean u cant ping it eather huh |
| 05:14.32 | DarkPainter | i wanna know how i can get my linksys wireless pcmcia card to work with debian lol |
| 05:14.50 | Vyrus001 | DarkPainter|| u have drivers ? |
| 05:14.58 | MIks | got ya |
| 05:14.58 | jafi | nope, no ping. Wahhh! I can't apt-get upgrade! |
| 05:15.01 | Vyrus001 | DarkPainter|| and does debian find the card |
| 05:15.01 | cafuego | Vegan: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 05:15.14 | Vegan | cafuego I'm looking at this : http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 05:15.16 | cafuego | Vegan: Start with those 4, see how you go. |
| 05:15.20 | Vyrus001 | jafi|| lol i know i need to get the gaim deb package so i can compile gaim encryption :P |
| 05:15.28 | DarkPainter | i think i do |
| 05:15.31 | benjamindees | MIks, for instance, a 10,000 page/mo duty cycle means you should only print a page every four minutes, on average |
| 05:15.32 | DarkPainter | or if not i can get them |
| 05:15.49 | moyix | Vyrus001: deb http://people.debian.org/~costela/debian/ ./ |
| 05:15.49 | MIks | wtf, 1 page every 4 mins |
| 05:15.51 | MIks | thats crazy |
| 05:15.52 | cafuego | Vegan: The page you were reading applies to woody (stable) |
| 05:15.56 | moyix | Vyrus001: gaim-encryption deb :) |
| 05:15.57 | Vegan | ah ok |
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| 05:16.07 | benjamindees | MIks, yes, they're quite useless as a real world metric |
| 05:16.11 | Vegan | good deal. so you feel I will only need 4 disks? |
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| 05:16.20 | cafuego | Vegan: Mind you, you can always install stable from floppies, then update to sarge. |
| 05:16.23 | Vyrus001 | moyix|| awsome :P |
| 05:16.23 | Vyrus001 | thanx |
| 05:16.36 | DarkPainter | yea i have drivers, how do i go about doing it |
| 05:16.39 | MIks | so if i am going to print ~ 20pgs a day, is this thing gonna last? |
| 05:16.44 | nevyn | MIks: remember that's on average |
| 05:16.57 | cafuego | MIks: Yes. years and years. |
| 05:16.57 | DarkPainter | and i dont think it finds it... im rather new to debian so, if it did recognize it i dont know how its doing it |
| 05:16.59 | nevyn | MIks: sure that's 1 page every hourish on average |
| 05:17.09 | cafuego | MIks: Also check the price of toner cartridges. |
| 05:17.38 | Vegan | cafuego yes, I would update to sarge, so might as well start witha tit |
| 05:18.00 | Overand | Sweet. |
| 05:18.01 | Overand | my girlfriend just called me to let me know my step-mom shut down my laptop in the middle of an apt-get upgrade |
| 05:18.02 | Vyrus001 | moyix|| lol it;s on the debian box :P so i cant get to it |
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| 05:18.05 | cafuego | Vegan: *nod* I don't know how well the sarge floppy install works, but if it faisl, file a bug report, so it can be fixed ;-) |
| 05:18.06 | HankH | is it possible to make an init.d script that runs startx as a particular user (bypassing the login) ? |
| 05:18.16 | Vegan | cafuego heh |
| 05:18.24 | cafuego | HankH: install a session manager (kdm/gdm) and set it up. |
| 05:18.32 | MIks | ok |
| 05:18.34 | rob0 | step parents can be annoying in such ways |
| 05:18.49 | Vyrus001 | is there a package that provides the mysql.h without installing mysql ? |
| 05:19.07 | cafuego | Vegan: libmysqlclientXX-dev |
| 05:19.12 | cafuego | Vyrus001 too |
| 05:19.26 | Vyrus001 | :P |
| 05:19.38 | deadcat | cafuego: [Fri Jan 28 21:18:44 2005] [crit] [client 66.245.221.185] (19)No such device: default_handler: mmap failed: /usr/share/libapache-gallery-perl/icons/ |
| 05:19.41 | cafuego | substitute the 'xx' with what 'apt-cache search' tells you. |
| 05:19.47 | DarkPainter | soo... |
| 05:19.48 | cafuego | deadcat: tadah! |
| 05:19.50 | Vegan | cafuego what is the access directory for in the url you sent ? |
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| 05:19.53 | cafuego | deadcat: Time for a downgrade. |
| 05:20.09 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:20.26 | cafuego | Vegan: Maybe installer images for people with accessibility issues (blind/deaf/dumb/american) |
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| 05:20.37 | deadcat | cafuego: downgrade apache right? not the gallery lib? |
| 05:20.38 | DarkPainter | !murder DarkPainter |
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| 05:20.47 | HankH | do I have to install gnome/kde for gdm/kdm ? |
| 05:20.53 | cafuego | HankH: no. |
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| 05:21.02 | Vegan | cafuego nice. |
| 05:21.04 | deadcat | HankH: no. apt-get install gdm |
| 05:21.05 | Vegan | thanks. |
| 05:21.13 | cafuego | Vegan: Enjoy :-) |
| 05:21.14 | HankH | ok cool |
| 05:21.21 | DarkPainter | lol hey i got a question |
| 05:21.39 | deadcat | HankH: i only have gdm on my ibook. (= since gnome sucks dict |
| 05:21.45 | deadcat | ^dict^dick |
| 05:22.08 | DarkPainter | got a pcmcia linksys wireless card.... i wanna be able to use my wireless network. help? =( |
| 05:22.24 | deadcat | DarkPainter: google dammit |
| 05:22.30 | cafuego | DarkPainter: Check google and make sure it's supported. If yes, the same page will tell you which driver to use. |
| 05:22.34 | deadcat | and check what chipset first. |
| 05:22.37 | DarkPainter | .... |
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| 05:22.42 | DarkPainter | im so smart lol |
| 05:22.50 | deadcat | no you're not |
| 05:22.56 | DarkPainter | that was sarcastick |
| 05:23.05 | cafuego | 'lol' is not a substitute for punctuation. |
| 05:23.08 | DarkPainter | !beat dark painter |
| 05:23.14 | xDCDx | deadcat: what wm do you use? |
| 05:23.15 | DarkPainter | well deserved ^ |
| 05:23.23 | deadcat | xDCDx: openbox3 |
| 05:24.04 | xDCDx | ah, I see |
| 05:24.14 | devi0s | sweet. debian sarge installed and running with 2.6.8-2 kernel and 3d-accelleration is working for my R9800 and NForce2 mobo |
| 05:24.18 | devi0s | gotta love it |
| 05:24.42 | devi0s | took about 4 hours from download of netinstall iso |
| 05:25.10 | deadcat | cafuego: doh. dont have the last version of apache (=. i am on 1.3.33-3 |
| 05:25.15 | xDCDx | deadcat: have you seen wmi? if so, what do you think about it? |
| 05:25.33 | DarkPainter | rofl |
| 05:25.37 | deadcat | xDCDx: never heard of wmi. let me check it |
| 05:25.45 | DarkPainter | these aps... linux is so fucking cool |
| 05:26.41 | deadcat | xDCDx: whats so cool about it? sell it to me. (= |
| 05:26.56 | xDCDx | A friend showed me it, and looked nice. It has an useful tiled mode where all maximized windows get tiled at the side of the active window |
| 05:27.02 | HankH | so is gdm better than kdm? or are they about the same? |
| 05:27.12 | xDCDx | and when you maximize a new one, the tiled windows get smaller automatically |
| 05:27.18 | DarkPainter | im using gnome.... looks good to me |
| 05:27.21 | xDCDx | while the active window always is the same size |
| 05:27.36 | DarkPainter | kde looked kiddy |
| 05:27.42 | xDCDx | and works almost completely with the keyboard |
| 05:27.43 | deadcat | xDCDx: wmi.modprobe.de find the screenshot yout alking about. |
| 05:28.07 | deadcat | xDCDx: completely with kb? i aint that hardcore. (= |
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| 05:28.19 | xDCDx | hehe |
| 05:28.23 | xDCDx | http://wmi.modprobe.de/2005-01-26.png <- thats tiled mode |
| 05:28.29 | DarkPainter | dammit why wont gaim let me sign in with my aim screen name and pass |
| 05:28.38 | xDCDx | if you would maximize a new window, it would take place at the left or the screen |
| 05:28.50 | xDCDx | and the other three windows would take equal space at the left |
| 05:29.22 | xDCDx | I'm no usability expert, but the concept looks nice |
| 05:29.46 | deadcat | xDCDx: kinna like osx's expose except not as fancy? |
| 05:30.07 | xDCDx | never seen OSX |
| 05:30.10 | DarkPainter | msn works just fine... why not AOL |
| 05:30.11 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:30.23 | xDCDx | its light and fast too |
| 05:30.31 | DarkPainter | wtf gives |
| 05:32.10 | deadcat | xDCDx: i like this: vi-alike input mode (= |
| 05:32.27 | xDCDx | yeah |
| 05:32.45 | deadcat | how that work? |
| 05:33.50 | HankH | hey I was about to install gdm.....and it was gonna install like a paragraph of packages |
| 05:34.31 | deadcat | HankH: ya. gdm requires shit loads of gnome shits )= |
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| 05:34.53 | DarkPainter | whats gdm? |
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| 05:35.14 | useruser_ | DarkPainter: a program which displays pretty pictures while you type your password |
| 05:35.26 | DarkPainter | eh? |
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| 05:35.40 | DarkPainter | useruser: serious or sarcastic |
| 05:36.22 | useruser_ | DarkPainter: apt-cache show gdm and decide for yourself |
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| 05:36.32 | DarkPainter | cool gimme a sec |
| 05:36.46 | deadcat | xDCDx: gonna try to install wmi heheh |
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| 05:37.09 | DarkPainter | !info gdm |
| 05:37.12 | dpkg | gdm: (GNOME Display Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2974 kB, Installed size: 9316 kB |
| 05:37.16 | deadcat | xDCDx: should i got wmi or wmii? so confusing hahah |
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| 05:37.24 | JaMaLz | guys how to add 2nd ip address |
| 05:37.26 | dli | anyone know whether mplayer can play wediaplayer 9.0 files? |
| 05:37.35 | deadcat | JaMaLz: on your second nic? |
| 05:37.38 | DarkPainter | woa... thats not possible is it jamalz? |
| 05:37.48 | deadcat | dli: try it and let us know |
| 05:38.01 | JaMaLz | + DarkPainter : it's possible but how |
| 05:38.06 | DarkPainter | niiiiice.... |
| 05:38.08 | deadcat | JaMaLz: you mean eth0:0 or eth0:1 ? |
| 05:38.09 | dli | deadcat, I got random video and audio :( |
| 05:38.18 | JaMaLz | + deadcat : eth0 |
| 05:38.30 | DarkPainter | i wish itunes was for linux too *crys* |
| 05:38.31 | deadcat | JaMaLz: eth0 and eth0:1 right? |
| 05:38.36 | xDCDx | debhelper: not sure :P |
| 05:38.39 | xDCDx | err |
| 05:38.40 | JaMaLz | + deadcat : only eth0 on nic |
| 05:38.43 | xDCDx | deadcat: not sure :P |
| 05:38.46 | JaMaLz | + deadcat : only eth0 one nic |
| 05:38.48 | deadcat | JaMaLz: let me know when you do that. |
| 05:39.19 | deadcat | JaMaLz: you can do virtual ip via eth0:1 but dont know how to get 2 ips on eth0 |
| 05:40.26 | deadcat | xDCDx: i think wmii is the new shit |
| 05:41.10 | xDCDx | yeah, a rewrite |
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| 05:41.28 | DarkPainter | wmii....? |
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| 05:42.30 | JaMaLz | + deadcat : how to add virtual ip |
| 05:42.33 | JaMaLz | eth0:1 |
| 05:43.01 | deadcat | JaMaLz: ifconfig eth0:1 ip (= |
| 05:43.13 | Lin | hi all |
| 05:43.25 | DarkPainter | !applaude deadcat |
| 05:43.30 | DarkPainter | dammit |
| 05:43.35 | DarkPainter | *applaudes u* |
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| 05:43.47 | guestish | i did it, i figured out how to make a dvd with subtitles! :) |
| 05:43.51 | DarkPainter | !bitchslap darkpainter |
| 05:43.54 | DarkPainter | woo |
| 05:44.04 | DarkPainter | !milk darkpainter |
| 05:44.06 | deadcat | JaMaLz: oh wait. let me check |
| 05:44.07 | DarkPainter | rofl |
| 05:44.09 | rellik | anyone here use dual monitors? |
| 05:44.16 | guestish | man, there are no dvd authoring tutorials at all |
| 05:44.29 | DarkPainter | negative |
| 05:44.30 | deadcat | JaMaLz: ya. ifconfig was right. i used ifup hehe |
| 05:44.35 | guestish | at least not any real comprehensive ones |
| 05:45.25 | guestish | someone really should include varsha into apt...qdvdauthor is crappy |
| 05:45.33 | rellik | anyone here use dual monitors? I am trying to figure out how switch which monitor is my "default" one.. so when I put mplayer in "full screen" it goes to my LCD not my CRT |
| 05:45.41 | guestish | rellik, what card? |
| 05:45.53 | rellik | guestish, nvidia GeForceFX |
| 05:46.01 | guestish | rellik, are you using twinview or xinerama? |
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| 05:46.18 | rellik | guestish, twinview |
| 05:46.22 | guestish | rellik, cause twinview is a nvidia supported one and they have tons of docs on it |
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| 05:46.26 | guestish | rellik, have you tried their README? |
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| 05:46.37 | guestish | rellik, the thing has chapters |
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| 05:46.41 | deadcat | rellik: sh.nu/nvidia |
| 05:48.03 | mir | anyone know the steps to getting a usb mouse working that does not want to work in X |
| 05:48.19 | guestish | mir, hotplug! |
| 05:48.22 | deadcat | mir: modprobe usbmouse |
| 05:48.25 | Lin | I having some problems with d-i rc2, from debian.org. I'm trying to install a de |
| 05:48.25 | Lin | bian in a dell computer. Kernel 2.4.27 from D-I recognizes my raid scsi board su |
| 05:48.25 | Lin | cessfully (as a megaraid 2), but Kernel 2.6 didn't reognizes. Then I install the |
| 05:48.25 | Lin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.25 | Lin | do the final configuration, init ramdisk try to load module megaraid1 instead me |
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| 05:48.39 | guestish | lol |
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| 05:48.45 | deadcat | Lin: you moron |
| 05:48.48 | Lin | sorry!!! :-( |
| 05:48.52 | guestish | Lin, you a funny soul |
| 05:49.01 | guestish | Lin, tried to paste from google's language tools? |
| 05:49.02 | Lin | damn cut and paste |
| 05:49.06 | guestish | heh |
| 05:49.06 | Lin | no |
| 05:49.16 | Lin | from screen |
| 05:49.18 | guestish | its about the right demensions :) |
| 05:49.18 | Lin | :-) |
| 05:49.25 | Lin | screen unix tool |
| 05:49.29 | Lin | ;-) |
| 05:49.29 | guestish | heh |
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| 05:49.37 | guestish | typing is good for yas |
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| 05:50.31 | deadcat | xDCDx: i dont even know how to get a xterm out (= |
| 05:50.48 | Lin | I having some problems with d-i rc2, from debian.org. I'm trying to install a debian in a dell computer. Kernel 2.4.27 from D-I recognizes my raid scsi board sucessfully (as a megaraid 2), but Kernel 2.6 didn't reognizes. Then I install the system using kernel2.4. But here comes my problem. When I reboot the system to do the final configuration, init ramdisk try to load module megaraid1 instead megaraid2, leading to the following problem (Cannot open /dev/console), |
| 05:51.01 | mir | deadcat: i get cant locate module usbmouse |
| 05:51.18 | deadcat | mir: modprobe -l |grep mouse |
| 05:51.22 | guestish | everyone likes a good raid |
| 05:51.33 | _joey | I just upgraded to sarge but kernel has not been upgraded to 2.4.27 |
| 05:51.36 | devi0s | are there new themes for kde under debian? default is super ugly. |
| 05:51.40 | guestish | Lin, if you get desperate try using woody's installer |
| 05:52.01 | deadcat | xDCDx: doesnt support dock applets. )= cant use a wm that dont support that. (= |
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| 05:52.36 | _joey | should I upgrade it manually? |
| 05:52.50 | guestish | Lin, btw, using rescue disks is a great way to edit /etc/modprobe so you can choose what modules to load :) |
| 05:52.51 | deadcat | _joey: sure |
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| 05:53.42 | mir | deadcat: busmouse.o msbusmouse.o qpmouse in dir /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/misc/ |
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| 05:53.58 | _joey | I remember I upgrade to 2.6.x once , binary upgrade on Debian, I also ran lilo afterwards but could boot the system and effectively lost the system since it was in vmware |
| 05:54.05 | _joey | Don't want this to happen again:) |
| 05:54.13 | _joey | Is there anything I should watch for? |
| 05:54.29 | deadcat | mir: interesting. sorry. i am stuck. |
| 05:54.36 | deadcat | _joey: no |
| 05:54.38 | _joey | s/could/couldn't |
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| 05:54.43 | mir | ok thanks anyway |
| 05:55.02 | Lin | ideas? :-) |
| 05:55.23 | deadcat | mir: never used usb mouse before. (= mine is just psmouse since its in a kvm |
| 05:55.31 | Borgon | anyone here mess with xen? |
| 05:55.58 | deadcat | mir: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, select usbmouse in the menu |
| 05:56.00 | mir | i have an adapter to make it a ps |
| 05:56.09 | mir | ok |
| 05:56.42 | deadcat | mir: ya. there should be a module called usbmouse, i have it in my 2.6.10 when i do modprobe -l |grep mouse |
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| 05:58.03 | Lin | editing modprobe will not help.. cause I need to load module to have acess do module loading in system boot |
| 05:58.58 | Lin | and I cant edit anything inside ramdisk... Woody installer has support for megaraid2 scsi cards? |
| 05:59.13 | _joey | deadcat kernel image 2.6.8 is 15.6 Mb, don't they compress it? |
| 05:59.34 | _joey | It's a monster of a kernel |
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| 05:59.37 | deadcat | _joey: 2.6 kernels are huge. |
| 05:59.49 | deadcat | _joey: everything is modulized |
| 06:00.21 | xDCDx | deadcat: I don't wont what it means, but the wmii faq says this: |
| 06:00.22 | xDCDx | Use dockapps |
| 06:00.22 | xDCDx | Dockapps can be used with a flexible frame placement like docks. There'll be a dock.sh sample script soon which shows how one can use frames for dockapps. |
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| 06:00.35 | _joey | deadcat: 1 root root 2085929 Jan 29 14:26 /boot/bzImage |
| 06:00.41 | DarkPainter | yo wussup yall |
| 06:00.42 | _joey | custom built kernel , 2.6.10 |
| 06:00.50 | _joey | only 2Mb |
| 06:00.51 | _joey | :) |
| 06:01.26 | DarkPainter | i need a kernel for my dimention 8400 that works with SATA and DVD-ROM/RW IDE drives =| |
| 06:01.29 | kerneld | Whats a good fs for this scenario? fs stored on a compressed file for mounting via loopback ro most of the time, but occasionally, the fs will be remounted rw to add files. I need to be able to extend the physical storage over time. |
| 06:01.56 | kerneld | This is to keep archived Maildir's online |
| 06:02.06 | _joey | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.16 | deadcat | _joey: mine is 1.4MB (= |
| 06:02.22 | deadcat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.4M Oct 20 23:32 vmlinuz-2.6.7+hades+20041020++catherine |
| 06:02.25 | Lin | _joey: yes use make-kpkg |
| 06:02.26 | _joey | because 15Mb is way too big |
| 06:02.47 | kerneld | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4213587 2005-01-06 09:25 /boot/vmlinux-2.6.10-ac4 |
| 06:02.58 | deadcat | kerneld: use -l please (= |
| 06:03.03 | deadcat | i mean -h |
| 06:03.06 | _joey | deadcat I include many things in that kernel for educations purposed various crypto modules, advance routing, ipv6 support etc |
| 06:03.21 | deadcat | _joey: ya. i have loads of crypto shits. hella cool |
| 06:03.46 | kerneld | I prefer the un-rounded form |
| 06:03.55 | deadcat | kerneld: i cant read it. |
| 06:04.15 | deadcat | thy is human |
| 06:04.22 | kerneld | bc -l |
| 06:04.30 | deadcat | no |
| 06:05.03 | kerneld | echo 4213587/1024/1024|bc -l |
| 06:05.18 | deadcat | kerneld: ls -lh kernel would be much easier |
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| 06:05.48 | DarkPainter | quick question, is what im using right now, debian, unix or linux? |
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| 06:06.08 | deadcat | DarkPainter: you are a fucking dumb ass? |
| 06:06.11 | DarkPainter | yes |
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| 06:06.14 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 06:06.22 | deadcat | DarkPainter: dumb fuck |
| 06:07.02 | DarkPainter | !dumbfuck darkpainter |
| 06:07.10 | DarkPainter | *shrugs* o well |
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| 06:07.33 | jazzmans | you are running a version of linux, by debian, if you used a debian installer, or if you are running a knoppix disk. |
| 06:07.34 | EdibleText | DarkPainter, cat /etc/issue |
| 06:07.39 | jazzmans | linux is a *nix clone. |
| 06:08.08 | Overand | uh oh |
| 06:08.10 | Overand | I'm doing a remote apt-get upgrade |
| 06:08.13 | Overand | WARNING: Removing the PCMCIA modules while a card is in use (especially for network cards) can cause the kernel to freeze! |
| 06:08.16 | Overand | er |
| 06:08.20 | Overand | "Cardmgr, the PCMCIA device manager, is currently running. Although it is not strictly necessary, it is recommended that this daemon should be stopped when upgrading the PCMCIA packages. When cardmgr is stopped, the system will lose access to all PCMCIA devices. WARNING: Removing the PCMCIA modules while a card is in use (especially for network cards) can cause the kernel to freeze!" |
| 06:08.34 | deadcat | Overand: shut off the pcmcia device first. |
| 06:08.53 | Overand | deadcat: the pcmcia device is my wifi card that i'm SSHed to the box through |
| 06:08.54 | deadcat | DarkPainter: shut up |
| 06:08.55 | nevyn | deadcat: he's connected via that device |
| 06:09.02 | deadcat | Overand: oh girl (= |
| 06:09.06 | Overand | and i didn't embed the damned session inside screen |
| 06:09.15 | deadcat | Overand: you're fucked (=... really |
| 06:09.18 | nevyn | Overand: stop the upgrade. |
| 06:09.22 | nevyn | ctrl-c |
| 06:09.25 | nevyn | start screen |
| 06:09.28 | Lin | here is a full description of my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/11/msg00487.html |
| 06:09.35 | nevyn | then restart the upgrade |
| 06:09.38 | Overand | also my girlfriend is using the laptop at home, heh. |
| 06:09.44 | nevyn | DarkPainter: Noooooooooooooooo |
| 06:09.56 | Overand | So more or less it's safe to control-c the upgrade |
| 06:09.58 | deadcat | DarkPainter: stop using /me so much moron |
| 06:10.02 | nevyn | Overand: yeah. |
| 06:10.16 | DarkPainter | i was doing /action but... ok |
| 06:11.45 | Overand | hm |
| 06:11.46 | Overand | control-c doesn't stop it |
| 06:11.55 | Overand | possibly because it's inside an ncurses 'dialog' |
| 06:12.00 | deadcat | Overand: remote as in next room or remote? |
| 06:12.10 | Overand | remote as in a half hour drive away |
| 06:12.11 | Overand | heh |
| 06:12.15 | deadcat | )= |
| 06:12.18 | Overand | yeah |
| 06:12.23 | Overand | but i'm going home later tonight |
| 06:12.32 | nevyn | isn't there a don't upgrade it now type option? |
| 06:12.33 | deadcat | Overand: then do i later (= |
| 06:12.42 | Overand | i can't control-c out of this though |
| 06:12.46 | deadcat | Overand: ssh in and kill it |
| 06:12.51 | nevyn | DarkPainter: just cause you want cobol fingers. |
| 06:13.03 | Overand | i can kill it, that'll work |
| 06:13.13 | Overand | that won't do anything 'bad' will it? |
| 06:13.24 | deadcat | Overand: nothing apt-get install -f wont fix. (= |
| 06:13.30 | Overand | as in the apt system will 'rememebr' which packages have and havent been configured |
| 06:13.37 | deadcat | ya |
| 06:13.41 | Overand | this damned upgrade session already died once |
| 06:13.49 | Overand | my step-mother closed the screen in the middle, and it turned off |
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| 06:13.51 | deadcat | hehe |
| 06:13.55 | Overand | <3 power management |
| 06:16.02 | Overand | argh, not sure what process to kill |
| 06:16.03 | DarkPainter | nevyn: cobol fingers? |
| 06:16.24 | Overand | should i just kill apt-get upgrade and hope that everyting 'up' from that dies? |
| 06:16.53 | Overand | i can go to #flood and paste the running processes related to the upgrade |
| 06:16.55 | DarkPainter | not likely over... not from my windows experience thats not really how that works... |
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| 06:17.24 | Overand | deadcat: what's your take? |
| 06:17.30 | EdibleText | Overand, pstree -alp |
| 06:17.31 | nevyn | DarkPainter: giyf |
| 06:17.45 | EdibleText | Overand, you can go from there |
| 06:17.50 | Overand | ah |
| 06:17.55 | DarkPainter | looks to me like he is just as his name suggests... a rather dead cat... atleast at this moment... |
| 06:18.00 | Overand | should i kill the 'bottom' process? |
| 06:18.12 | EdibleText | yeah |
| 06:18.13 | Overand | or work my way down the tree |
| 06:18.14 | Overand | k |
| 06:19.03 | Overand | well that worked |
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| 06:19.08 | Overand | thanks, never used pstree before |
| 06:19.12 | Overand | very useful |
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| 06:19.27 | Overand | jmspeex: you're one of the nicest sounding speech codecs i've used. |
| 06:20.12 | jmspeex | Overand: I am not a speech codec, I'm a human being! ;-) |
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| 06:20.30 | mac2612 | hey....is the packages.debian.com server down for anyone else? |
| 06:21.00 | DarkPainter | mac attack! aaah!! |
| 06:21.25 | mac2612 | heh |
| 06:21.39 | Iron | derp? |
| 06:21.40 | DarkPainter | the difference between an RMP and a regular bin file is....? |
| 06:22.09 | mac2612 | *RPM? |
| 06:22.14 | DarkPainter | yyea |
| 06:22.17 | bucky | a rump file? |
| 06:22.21 | DarkPainter | o__o |
| 06:22.26 | EdibleText | !rpm |
| 06:22.27 | dpkg | somebody said rpm was revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method |
| 06:22.40 | Iron | derp? |
| 06:22.44 | mac2612 | a bin file is just that, a binary file, or an application |
| 06:22.53 | JaMaLz | where all .deb files are stored at ? |
| 06:23.03 | Overand | /var/apt/cache ? |
| 06:23.07 | mac2612 | yep |
| 06:23.11 | Overand | no |
| 06:23.12 | Overand | that's wrong |
| 06:23.16 | mac2612 | wait |
| 06:23.28 | bucky | apt-get clean will erase em |
| 06:23.29 | EdibleText | JaMaLz, you mean after you install |
| 06:23.32 | mac2612 | /var/cache/apt (/archives) |
| 06:23.37 | Overand | ah |
| 06:23.43 | Overand | yeah |
| 06:23.44 | Overand | that |
| 06:23.53 | JaMaLz | + EdibleText : the binary |
| 06:23.56 | DarkPainter | so... which one from this site do i need, theres the rpm and the regular one: https://jsecom15.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=6CCBD40C270C10F32B214DBAF8365D3F;jsessionid=6CCBD40C270C10F32B214DBAF8365D3F |
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| 06:24.33 | mac2612 | go with the regular one, unless you want to much with RPM.... |
| 06:24.39 | Overand | wow that is an UGLY url |
| 06:24.49 | mac2612 | muck even |
| 06:24.54 | DarkPainter | i dont understand... yea it is, whats the difference between the regular and the rpm? |
| 06:24.57 | wswanson | trying to install with debootstrap... getting /dev/null: Permission denied during the process. any thoughts? |
| 06:25.03 | Overand | yikes |
| 06:25.05 | Overand | heh |
| 06:25.16 | Overand | that's got to be the funniest error message i've seen in a while |
| 06:25.22 | DarkPainter | wswanson try installing as the root |
| 06:25.38 | DarkPainter | wswanson sounds like youve got inadaquite access |
| 06:25.40 | Overand | Can't be letting the user access /dev/null! |
| 06:25.42 | wswanson | DarkPainter: I am installing as root -- not a newbie |
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| 06:25.55 | mac2612 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.57 | Overand | /dev/null is where i keep all my important files, like my pr0n |
| 06:25.59 | Overand | wait. |
| 06:26.00 | Overand | OH NO |
| 06:26.02 | Overand | WHERE IS MY PR0N!!! |
| 06:26.06 | Overand | Where did it all go!!? |
| 06:26.14 | mac2612 | /dev/null ate it |
| 06:26.21 | deadcat | wswanson: ignore that moron. |
| 06:26.40 | rellik | what's the difference between things to put in bashrc and bash_profile? (ie aliases, setting $PATH, etc) |
| 06:27.07 | deadcat | rellik: .bash_profile is for login shells |
| 06:27.17 | mac2612 | guys, just a heads up, the packages server is down |
| 06:27.36 | deadcat | DarkPainter: poor? they are FILTHY rich |
| 06:27.43 | DarkPainter | ....? |
| 06:27.47 | deadcat | mac2612: we know. /topic |
| 06:28.09 | wswanson | Trying to install a lightweight debian build on crusoe processor -- I know how debootstrap works fine on standard hardware -- .... I can cat to /dev/null prior to debootstrap.... the other suspect frequent message is "dpkg: warning -- "ignoring pre-dependency problem" lots of them |
| 06:28.18 | mac2612 | DERR |
| 06:28.21 | DarkPainter | we can be stupid together mac lol |
| 06:28.24 | mac2612 | lol |
| 06:28.58 | mac2612 | anyways darkpainter, you're going to want the binary package methinks |
| 06:29.02 | wswanson | so no debian experts here today. ;) |
| 06:29.20 | deadcat | wswanson: i am not expert but whats your q? |
| 06:29.42 | DarkPainter | howcome? whats the difference between the two, for future refrence... i'd just like to have that knowledge |
| 06:29.48 | DarkPainter | they must behave differently somehow... |
| 06:30.09 | mac2612 | darkpainter, they are....think of the binary as an application you can run |
| 06:30.25 | mac2612 | that extracts the program |
| 06:30.30 | DarkPainter | oh! and the rpm is a package like i package downloaded gnome!!! |
| 06:30.34 | mac2612 | right |
| 06:30.38 | DarkPainter | wahoo i get it =D |
| 06:30.40 | wswanson | its in regard to debootstrapping a crusoe processor flash disk..... using a knoppix v3.6 as the cd image loader -- then using its debootstrap over network sources to image a lightweight chroot environment |
| 06:30.51 | EdibleText | DarkPainter, are you using debian? |
| 06:30.57 | wswanson | similar to how you would remotely convert a red hat box to debian using a swap install |
| 06:31.05 | DarkPainter | edibletext sure am |
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| 06:31.46 | Borgon | hey i have a question |
| 06:31.57 | DarkPainter | edibletext, why do u ask? |
| 06:32.01 | wswanson | heh; I don't see anyone jumping to answer my question.... ah, well. sigh |
| 06:32.07 | Borgon | does debootstrap allow someone to make a copy of the current config debian ? with all setup info etc? |
| 06:32.15 | wswanson | no |
| 06:32.20 | deadcat | wswanson: no clue |
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| 06:32.37 | DarkPainter | wow u stumped him o= |
| 06:32.44 | deadcat | wswanson: you are not asking dumb qs like DarkPainter does (= |
| 06:32.47 | EdibleText | Because les then 10 minutes you seemed to be unsure if you were 'on linux unix or debian' |
| 06:32.55 | wswanson | Borgon: debootstrap is the first process that happens when, for example, the debian sarge installer initializes a working environment (minus bootable kernel) |
| 06:33.02 | EdibleText | now your asking about rpms |
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| 06:33.15 | wswanson | deadcat: that's ok, that's for trying |
| 06:33.23 | wswanson | deadcat: s/that's/thanks |
| 06:33.42 | mac2612 | darkpainter, that's a good choice..... |
| 06:33.48 | deadcat | DarkPainter: then switch and stop bitching like a bitch |
| 06:33.51 | rellik | woah DarkPainter, you're a girl? how can I help? |
| 06:33.53 | rellik | :) |
| 06:33.55 | Xsquared | hey, i have a few questions. How much ram/cpu power is the package 3ddesktop gonna use? |
| 06:33.59 | jazzmans | darkpainter: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 06:34.12 | mac2612 | xsquared, it only uses CPU power when you switch desktops really |
| 06:34.13 | nevyn | Xsquared: depends... |
| 06:34.20 | deadcat | Xsquared: install and run top |
| 06:34.30 | nevyn | Xsquared: do you have hardware acceleration? if not then lots. |
| 06:35.33 | Xsquared | i have an nvidia tnt2 card, i can get drivers for that right? and 3d desktop will run smoothly on 318mb ram and 500mhz? |
| 06:35.51 | wswanson | deadcat: there are no dumb questions, only dumb people. ;) jk |
| 06:35.54 | Borgon | wswanson, right, so its possible to make a exact copy of the operating system and install it to another image? |
| 06:36.18 | wswanson | yes, but not with debootstrap |
| 06:36.27 | deadcat | wswanson: (= |
| 06:36.42 | mac2612 | xsquared, yeah you can get drivers for it....your ram should be fine...I dunno about your processor speed |
| 06:37.14 | Xsquared | mac2612: ok thanks mate |
| 06:37.38 | mac2612 | Xsquared: np man |
| 06:38.53 | ireverentReveren | anyone have any recommendations on how to calibrate a laptop battery and linux monitoring software? |
| 06:39.34 | mac2612 | ireverentReveren: well, there's quite a few monitoring applets, depending on your desktop environment |
| 06:39.48 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: i use wmapm on my ibook |
| 06:40.00 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: also using torsmo as well. |
| 06:40.49 | ireverentReveren | i currently have gkrellm installed... but it appears that the battery monitoring is a bit off (charge dropped by 13% in 5 minutes or so) and i was wondering how to make that more accurate and hopping i had a system wide change i could make so if i wanted a different applet |
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| 06:41.35 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: thats how monitors are. they are all the same. it jumps around on my ibook as well. |
| 06:41.37 | ireverentReveren | this is a new install on a refurbished laptop |
| 06:41.43 | ireverentReveren | oh, ok |
| 06:41.50 | ireverentReveren | i didnt know if i could calibrate it... |
| 06:41.57 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: especially used bat. people FUCK with their laptops. )= |
| 06:42.05 | ireverentReveren | true |
| 06:42.14 | ireverentReveren | i THINK this is the new one i bought though |
| 06:42.24 | ireverentReveren | i plan on keeping the original as a backup only |
| 06:42.24 | ireverentReveren | Laughs Out Loud |
| 06:42.26 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: like shits you dont even know its possible one would do to a laptop. crazy mother fuckers |
| 06:42.52 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: where you get it from? |
| 06:42.57 | ireverentReveren | well darn. I was hoping to get the battery monitor accurate |
| 06:43.07 | ireverentReveren | dell |
| 06:43.28 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: oh. programs dont do that. kernel does it. programs only use info in /proc to display it. |
| 06:43.34 | cannikan | I need to downgrade mysql-server_4.0.23-1 to mysql-server_4.0.22-6 due to compatiblity problems with nagios. I've never gone backwards before. How do I do this? |
| 06:43.55 | ireverentReveren | deadcat yeah, i know the kernel did it, thats why i though i had a system wide calibration ability ;-) |
| 06:44.11 | EdibleText | ireverentReveren, if acpi is active 'cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state' |
| 06:44.53 | ireverentReveren | oooh |
| 06:44.55 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 06:45.11 | johnnyST | A question how is it progressing the setup of the infrastructure for security updates for sarge? |
| 06:45.20 | ireverentReveren | now if only i knew how to read that |
| 06:45.24 | ireverentReveren | lol, thanks though |
| 06:45.30 | EdibleText | johnnyST, its still in testing |
| 06:45.38 | EdibleText | no security updates |
| 06:46.08 | johnnyST | EdibleText, ok. |
| 06:46.59 | seberino_ | sometimes my postfix /etc/aliases work and other times they don't...how debug....(it *always* works if i create a user with same name as alias and use .forward instead) |
| 06:47.08 | ireverentReveren | ami right to assume that the battery monitors just take that info, and do a little matha and then make a prediction? would discharging the battery all the way let more accurate info be gathered? |
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| 06:48.18 | cannikan | apt-get remove mysql-server && apt-get install mysql-server -t 4.0.22-6 ?? |
| 06:48.36 | cannikan | is that the correct method to downgrade? |
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| 06:49.09 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.21 | deadcat | cannikan: not sure if you can specify the version though |
| 06:49.26 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
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| 06:49.47 | Remmy | Hi all. I'm trying to get SSL going on apache2 / sarge, but seem to be stuck a bit, as Apache won't understand SSL or doesn't know where to look for it. Can anyone lend a hand? |
| 06:49.54 | cannikan | deadcat: perhaps I should just grab the .deb package and use dpkg to install it? |
| 06:50.13 | deadcat | cannikan: ya. if you get errors. just apt-get install -f |
| 06:50.23 | EdibleText | Remmy, apt-get install apache-ssl |
| 06:50.35 | cannikan | cool. thanks. |
| 06:50.41 | Remmy | EdibleText: I want apache2 though |
| 06:50.43 | EdibleText | Remmy, apache2 nv |
| 06:50.47 | EdibleText | oh |
| 06:50.49 | zakame | hi all |
| 06:51.05 | Remmy | It shows: Apache/2.0.52 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ssl/2.0.52 OpenSSL/0.9.7e |
| 06:51.07 | EdibleText | s/nv/nevermind |
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| 06:51.23 | Remmy | But when I try to access the site with https, I see in my log: [Sat Jan 29 01:44:52 2005] [error] [client 80.126.106.1] Invalid method in request \x80F\x01\x03\x01 |
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| 06:51.36 | Remmy | So, I think it doesn't like that yet |
| 06:51.43 | deadcat | Remmy: how come you dont have apache-ssl? |
| 06:51.44 | EdibleText | no experiance with apache2 |
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| 06:52.25 | Remmy | deadcat: I'm not sure.... do I need it for apache2? |
| 06:52.37 | deadcat | Remmy: to get ssl yes. |
| 06:52.39 | Remmy | If so, I don't see which package it'd be in |
| 06:53.11 | EdibleText | !ask |
| 06:53.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 06:53.19 | Remmy | "Apache/2.0.52 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.10-2 mod_ssl/2.0.52 OpenSSL/0.9.7e" <-- Doesn't this indicate I have SSL already? |
| 06:53.20 | LesleyB | I tried instally woody r3 but it didb't give me a gui |
| 06:53.20 | deadcat | Remmy: search |
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| 06:53.38 | LesleyB | I have downloaded the first iso of sarge |
| 06:53.43 | deadcat | Remmy: i think that means its capable of running with ssl |
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| 06:54.02 | deadcat | LesleyB: did you use tasksel to install GUI? |
| 06:54.18 | LesleyB | supposing I have a bare box that I can plug the modem into, how do I go about installing sarge with just one iso? |
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| 06:54.38 | LesleyB | I think so deadcat |
| 06:54.58 | niriven | Anyone know where the default dir tree is for apache13? I thought it was /usr/local/www/data, but its not there |
| 06:55.03 | deadcat | LesleyB: first cd has alot of useful stuff |
| 06:55.17 | LesleyB | no network just a broadband connection which I'll need to set up to be able to access anything else |
| 06:55.18 | deadcat | niriven: /var/www if you use the .deb |
| 06:55.34 | deadcat | LesleyB: ya. cd1 has all those |
| 06:55.42 | EdibleText | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.00 | niriven | Thanks, guess im still stuck on freebsd directory structure :( |
| 06:56.01 | LesleyB | s how do I go about setting the connection up deadcat? what bit of the install should I look out for? |
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| 06:56.07 | zakame | of course you need a box to install debian on ;P don't forget... |
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| 06:56.36 | zakame | just take note of what your network hardware is.... |
| 06:56.45 | johnnyST | LesleyB, is it the netinstall cd? |
| 06:57.02 | LesleyB | ermmm how do I tell johnnyST ? |
| 06:57.03 | EdibleText | LesleyB, if you have bandwith use a netinstall disk |
| 06:57.06 | deadcat | LesleyB: pppoeconf |
| 06:57.19 | deadcat | LesleyB: oh crap. is cable pppoe? |
| 06:57.30 | LesleyB | no can't use that with my ISP it's a ppoa deadcat |
| 06:57.34 | EdibleText | not usually |
| 06:57.41 | EdibleText | hmm |
| 06:57.46 | deadcat | LesleyB: i dont even know what pppa is (= |
| 06:57.50 | zakame | cable modem? |
| 06:57.58 | EdibleText | ppp over atm |
| 06:58.03 | LesleyB | ty EdibleText :) |
| 06:58.08 | zakame | ppp over atm he means.... |
| 06:58.10 | EdibleText | !pppoa |
| 06:58.18 | EdibleText | !pppoe |
| 06:58.19 | dpkg | hmm... pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
| 06:58.45 | zakame | is atm support in those netinstall kernels? |
| 06:58.50 | nevyn | deadcat: pppoa is ppp over ATM which means you're not pretending atm is ethernet which is a good thing |
| 06:59.00 | marinos | ppp over ethernet ? for dsl and co ? |
| 06:59.01 | deadcat | nevyn: hehe |
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| 06:59.32 | LesleyB | if I hears omeone else say 'apt-get bla blah' I'll respectfully point out that's ok if you have a connection to get to the place you need to get to :) |
| 06:59.32 | johnnyST | LesleyB, is it this cd? sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:59.40 | cg0def | can you set up per folder spatial or browser view in gnome 2.8.*? |
| 06:59.42 | LesleyB | no johnnyST |
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| 06:59.59 | zakame | what cd then? |
| 07:00.07 | deadcat | LesleyB: you dont have another box? |
| 07:00.12 | LesleyB | sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 07:00.16 | deadcat | LesleyB: or a simple router? |
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| 07:00.32 | LesleyB | I have XP running on this box and another distro running on the other box. deadcat |
| 07:00.48 | LesleyB | currently my set up is |
| 07:00.52 | deadcat | LesleyB: only this has internet? |
| 07:01.16 | zakame | setup the other box as a router/gateway then... |
| 07:01.18 | LesleyB | I<->W<->L where I = Internet, W = doze and L = Linux |
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| 07:01.37 | johnnyST | LesleyB, well I could install sarge with pppoe with this cd sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:01.39 | EdibleText | doze is sharing connection? |
| 07:01.43 | LesleyB | I eventually want I<->L<->W/L to make this box multiboot |
| 07:01.45 | johnnyST | but i was problmatic. |
| 07:01.45 | zakame | ... connect to there... pretty simple really... |
| 07:01.49 | deadcat | LesleyB: time to get a cheap router so everyone can go online |
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| 07:02.04 | jaggz_ | after several minutes of inactivity my X session disappears and it gives me the login screen... how do I configure/disable this? |
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| 07:02.17 | LesleyB | ermm well I am not that good at networking EdibleText, I can ping the other box from here but not the other way around |
| 07:02.36 | deadcat | jaggz_: depends on your display manager |
| 07:02.37 | LesleyB | I am not sure if it's a routing problem from L or a firewall problem from XP yet |
| 07:02.56 | deadcat | LesleyB: where you live? |
| 07:02.59 | johnnyST | I had to skip the installaltions steps when it first booted and then logins as root and run pppoeconf to configure the network and then after that start apt-get *things |
| 07:03.01 | jaggz_ | this is an older woody install.. gnome/sawfish? |
| 07:03.06 | LesleyB | UK deadcat |
| 07:03.19 | LesleyB | where do you live? |
| 07:03.23 | EdibleText | is there a switch or hub involved? does your CPE have multiple ethernet ports> |
| 07:03.28 | deadcat | LesleyB: they have linux user groups? cehck those if you really stuck. live help is always good. |
| 07:03.34 | deadcat | LesleyB: ca,us |
| 07:03.41 | LesleyB | ok deadcat :) |
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| 07:03.47 | deadcat | cant drive over (= |
| 07:03.56 | LesleyB | awww bless you :) |
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| 07:04.18 | jaggz_ | I've never had X setup with this timeout like this young lady set it up on this laptop |
| 07:04.27 | LesleyB | I have one little Alcatel, and a x-over cable atm EdibleText |
| 07:04.30 | deadcat | LesleyB: is the middle linux box(router already online with no problem? |
| 07:04.34 | jaggz_ | (possibly woody's default) |
| 07:04.36 | SplasPood | on a debian testing host, with postfix, it appears that something in cron.daily rotates /var/log/mail.log... what is it? |
| 07:04.37 | LesleyB | no fancy hardware here |
| 07:04.40 | LesleyB | no deadcat |
| 07:04.44 | deadcat | )= |
| 07:04.46 | LesleyB | the XP box is o/l atm |
| 07:04.55 | deadcat | LesleyB: thats the one you want to make it a router right? |
| 07:05.03 | LesleyB | well |
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| 07:05.20 | LesleyB | I'd like to have I<->L<->(whatever) |
| 07:05.25 | JaMaLz | what is the command to see where the pkg ext files |
| 07:05.29 | JaMaLz | -L ? |
| 07:05.36 | jaggz_ | what's L, lesley? |
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| 07:05.43 | deadcat | L = linux |
| 07:05.43 | LesleyB | this box is a better box and I want to multi boot it Debian/Suse/doze etc |
| 07:05.47 | EdibleText | LesleyB, you mentioned something about pinging. xp can ping linux but not the reverse? |
| 07:05.48 | LesleyB | yep deadcat |
| 07:05.49 | jaggz_ | want your linux to be a firewall? |
| 07:05.55 | jaggz_ | two cards in the linux box? |
| 07:05.56 | LesleyB | that's correct EdibleText |
| 07:06.19 | deadcat | LesleyB: so you have static ip? |
| 07:06.20 | jaggz_ | you can setup linux as a transparent filtering bridge |
| 07:06.23 | EdibleText | LesleyB, xp may have icmp blocked |
| 07:06.41 | zakame | which is most often in new installs |
| 07:06.54 | deadcat | zakame: the second one |
| 07:06.58 | skullcap | hi everyone |
| 07:07.08 | LesleyB | I'll check that out EdibleText |
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| 07:07.19 | EdibleText | LesleyB, and you have two nics on xp? |
| 07:07.25 | LesleyB | noooo EdibleText |
| 07:07.29 | LesleyB | XP won't have that :) |
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| 07:07.43 | LesleyB | have the Internet provided by cable modem and then one nic |
| 07:07.44 | deadcat | EdibleText: i am confused as well |
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| 07:07.53 | jaggz_ | you get the brfilters kernel patches and some other things |
| 07:08.17 | jaggz_ | perhaps kernels have it in now.. but you have to patch the kernel to get the filtering handled at the level of bridging |
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| 07:08.26 | zakame | LesleyB: can't you configure XP to do internet connection sharing? |
| 07:08.28 | skullcap | can someone tell me how to load a linux device driver (wifi card) from a cd, into an existing debian installation? |
| 07:08.41 | deadcat | zakame: he has 1 nic on the xp only |
| 07:08.45 | jaggz_ | but in any case, using linux as the firewall/gateway might not require that.. this was, again, for a filtering-bridge (transparent) |
| 07:08.50 | zakame | LesleyB: oops, wrong question :p |
| 07:08.55 | SplasPood | no one knows what handles log rotation of mail.log? I'd guess logrotate, but it doesn't appear to be configured to do so |
| 07:08.55 | deadcat | skullcap: what card? chipset? |
| 07:08.58 | EdibleText | LesleyB, so you xover to linux but when you want to connect to IRC, for example, you plug xp in the alcatlel |
| 07:09.00 | LesleyB | *cough* deadcat *he* ? |
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| 07:09.14 | LesleyB | XP is plugged into Alcatel |
| 07:09.22 | samdret | is there a package called mysql-devel for debian? it should contain mysql header files? |
| 07:09.29 | LesleyB | XP and Linux box x-overed |
| 07:09.31 | jaggz_ | deadcat, oh yeah.. don't let me forget.. I'm messing myself up with this X killing my programs when it times out :) |
| 07:09.34 | deadcat | LesleyB: i dont know.. (= he/she/it/them/they/us/me all the same to me |
| 07:09.38 | jaggz_ | it's woody, gnome, and sawfish... |
| 07:09.41 | skullcap | hey deadcat! I have a realtek rtl8180l |
| 07:09.46 | LesleyB | :) deadcat glad to hear that |
| 07:09.47 | jaggz_ | haven't found how to disable it.. what's it called anyway? |
| 07:09.50 | jaggz_ | session timeout? |
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| 07:10.18 | EdibleText | LesleyB, butyou have one nic in xp. how are all these boxed connected? |
| 07:10.26 | deadcat | skullcap: try ndiswrapper.sf.net and good luck (=.. |
| 07:10.31 | EdibleText | s/boxed/boxes |
| 07:10.56 | zakame | LesleyB: have you tried installing already? i mean boot up the cd on your windows box... |
| 07:10.57 | LesleyB | well .... I have one nic in the XP one nic in the Linux and a cable between em |
| 07:11.11 | deadcat | LesleyB: ya. you are pretty much stuck if you only have 1 nic on each box and dont have a router. )= |
| 07:11.18 | LesleyB | no zakame not yet :) |
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| 07:11.28 | EdibleText | LesleyB, and how are you connected to us right now? |
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| 07:11.40 | skullcap | thanks deadcat, I appreciate that. |
| 07:11.46 | deadcat | EdibleText: i am as confuse as you.. maybe worst |
| 07:11.48 | LesleyB | so I can't have a box that takes all Internet connections and then uses a cable between two to share it? |
| 07:11.54 | EdibleText | you unplugged the xover from linux |
| 07:11.58 | EdibleText | ? |
| 07:12.02 | LesleyB | sadly (and embarrassingly) bu using mIRC on XP EdibleText |
| 07:12.04 | zakame | LesleyB: then there's no harm trying... maybe if there's atm already in the kernel, there might be a way to connect through... |
| 07:12.11 | EdibleText | LesleyB, we dont care |
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| 07:12.19 | LesleyB | no I haven't unplugged anything from either box |
| 07:12.29 | zakame | we all have our moments :P |
| 07:12.47 | deadcat | LesleyB: as long as you dont bitch about how much you hate windows then i dont care either. (= |
| 07:13.07 | LesleyB | :) deadcat |
| 07:13.08 | deadcat | i hate bitches that bitch as windows while they are using that shit |
| 07:13.42 | mac2612 | "ohh I hate windows....hang on I have to reboot" |
| 07:13.45 | jaggz_ | deadcat, did you know how to disable the session timeout with woody+gnome+sawfish or no? :) |
| 07:13.46 | LesleyB | at the bottom line it's out there and I have to use it from time to time deadcat :) |
| 07:13.47 | zakame | perhaps you can do on dialup :p |
| 07:14.00 | deadcat | jaggz_: sorry no. never used gnome |
| 07:14.33 | jaggz_ | k.. I'm not sure what's timing out my x session.. just goes to the X login window after some minutes of me not touching the computer |
| 07:14.42 | EdibleText | LesleyB, ok... alacatel<crossover>xp<crossover>linux right |
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| 07:14.53 | jaggz_ | I log back in and it runs 4 xterms to make up for the 4 xterms it shut down!! |
| 07:14.53 | zakame | jaggz_: maybe you xscreensaver's bitchin... |
| 07:14.55 | EdibleText | but xp has one interface |
| 07:14.56 | EdibleText | ? |
| 07:15.00 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:15.35 | EdibleText | ya ne poinyil |
| 07:15.40 | zakame | EdibleText: true... except maybe, just maybe, i'm hallucinating... ;p |
| 07:15.47 | LesleyB | yes EdibleText (iirc putting two Nics on XP causes an XP seizure) |
| 07:15.58 | jaggz_ | can you throw out 4 pieces of someone's paper, then hand someone 4 pieces, blank, to compensate? |
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| 07:16.05 | LesleyB | sorry EdibleText was just checking firewall logs : |
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| 07:16.18 | zakame | LesleyB: not really... have one at the office, works well... |
| 07:16.29 | LesleyB | alcaltel<usb>XP<crossover>linux |
| 07:16.38 | zakame | ... just no seizures, but that doesn't mean i like it though... |
| 07:16.43 | EdibleText | finnally |
| 07:16.48 | EdibleText | heh |
| 07:16.53 | LesleyB | :) |
| 07:16.54 | zakame | USB! |
| 07:16.55 | Area-51 | i installed gnome and now i cant get rid of it and have xdm use kde from now on... how do i uninstall gnome and which file do i edit to tell xdm to use kde instead of gnome? |
| 07:17.04 | LesleyB | !usb |
| 07:17.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 07:17.05 | jaggz_ | zakame, taking a look at xss's config |
| 07:17.10 | EdibleText | !dmd EdibleText |
| 07:17.11 | dpkg | EdibleText has earned a doctor's degree in dental medicine specializing in pulling teeth |
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| 07:17.37 | jaggz_ | it's not installed.. the screensaver is that "simplelight" thing or something. |
| 07:17.39 | deadcat | Area-51: /etc/X11/default-display-manager for the dm |
| 07:17.48 | Area-51 | deadcat: ty mate |
| 07:17.57 | zakame | LesleyB: is it a alcatel speedtouch? |
| 07:17.57 | deadcat | Area-51: if you want to remove progs you dont use. install debfoster and run it. VERY nice |
| 07:18.13 | Area-51 | deadcat: thanks, ill give that a go :) |
| 07:18.27 | zakame | jaggz_: is it using something your video card doesn't support, like opengl? |
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| 07:18.57 | EdibleText | LesleyB, you /should/ be able to share the connection with xp |
| 07:19.02 | jaggz_ | ohh.. think it's maybe crashing X? |
| 07:19.08 | zakame | LesleyB: don't worry... me, i have only a softmodem, conexant hsfi... |
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| 07:19.23 | zakame | jaggz_: maybe... |
| 07:19.27 | jaggz_ | interesting.. I want to switch out of the auto-X-on-boot thing anyway. |
| 07:19.28 | deadcat | crashing X and timing out X is very diff (= |
| 07:19.51 | LesleyB | ok EdibleText just to check the routing side (I suspect I have a firewall issue on XP as it seems to block UDP and then allow it) |
| 07:19.51 | EdibleText | but there are several versions of xp of varying degrees of arbitrary hobbledness |
| 07:20.12 | LesleyB | XP Pro SP2 updated regularly |
| 07:20.20 | LesleyB | bona fide install |
| 07:20.24 | EdibleText | LesleyB, pro should do it |
| 07:20.29 | sgeigerbot | Help needed: Why is my video device /dev/video0 not responding, as I expect? I successfully modprobed videodev (and, for that matter, video, c_qcam, quickcam, uhci_hdc, and friends) ...and still "sudo cat /dev/video0" gives me this: "cat: /dev/video0: No such device" With "ls -la" I get this: "crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Jan 22 13:13 /dev/video0" Grasping at straws, I commented out "#alias char-major-81 |
| 07:20.29 | sgeigerbot | bttv" and added "alias char-major-81 videodev" to /etc/modutils/aliases and ran "update-modules" ...and even rebooted...but I still can't get cat to give me hope that my video4linux device is there. |
| 07:20.30 | EdibleText | 2kpro does |
| 07:21.10 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: tvcard? |
| 07:21.18 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: usb webcam |
| 07:21.32 | EdibleText | LesleyB, xp makes me wince every time I try to do what should be straightforward networking stuff. very little experiance with it |
| 07:21.36 | LesleyB | canh I just check what the gatweay should be on the Linux box? Should it be the XP's LAN address or my outside IP address? (and should I list the DNS on the Linux box too?) |
| 07:21.39 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: ah. quickcam? i had a black one. the quality SUCKED |
| 07:21.48 | LesleyB | glad to hear that EdibleText ;) |
| 07:22.15 | EdibleText | it usually involves a wizard though |
| 07:22.21 | EdibleText | !wizard |
| 07:22.21 | dpkg | somebody said wizard was An enhancement to programs that makes them easier to operate by guiding you through, step by step, what is required to achieve your purpose. at http://www.photo.net/nz/klaus-and-stefan#wizard, or subtle and quick to anger |
| 07:22.59 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: logitech quickcam pro usb http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00001U07N/ref%3Dnosim/ricksphotograpag/104-0314989-1488709 |
| 07:23.12 | LesleyB | !command line |
| 07:23.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, command line is In the Beginning was the Command Line, or http://cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html or http://econ161.berkeley.edu/OpEd/virtual/stephenson_beginning.html |
| 07:23.39 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I'm doing this as a fun exercise...and to push myself to understand some things I don't understand well. |
| 07:23.47 | bucky | LesleyB, doesnt' xp have "Internet Connection Sharing" |
| 07:23.59 | EdibleText | LesleyB, connection sharinf should be the windows analog of ip_forward |
| 07:23.59 | zakame | LesleyB: but of course you do all those network stuff at cmd, look at the net tools :D |
| 07:24.15 | LesleyB | lol zakame |
| 07:24.17 | EdibleText | so if thats enabled you should be able to ping the alcatel gw |
| 07:24.30 | LesleyB | zakame : netstat -rn |
| 07:24.31 | sgeigerbot | bucky: xp might have a real bridge built in. check the help on that. |
| 07:24.49 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: nice. i have a pro 3000 using pwc and pwcx. unfortunately the driver had been removed from the tree and no long developed. |
| 07:24.50 | bucky | it does |
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| 07:25.06 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: he got pissed at the kernel developers |
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| 07:25.41 | LesleyB | just tried that on the Linux box : i.e. pinging my external IP addy from the Linux box and that didn't work either, EdibleText |
| 07:25.42 | zakame | LesleyB: yeah, and net show, route list, etc... analogs of ip, really... |
| 07:26.03 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: this thing has been sitting in my office drawer for ages. Actually, I have another webcam (which I have found out does not have linux support yet) that is inside a little stuffed toy dog. |
| 07:26.08 | LesleyB | they are being transmitted and the LAN address shows up in my firewall logs, UDP is being allowed |
| 07:26.24 | bucky | netfilter.org has a nice link to internet gateway |
| 07:26.25 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: hahah. spy cam? |
| 07:26.33 | EdibleText | LesleyB, turn off the xp firewall |
| 07:26.41 | LesleyB | on XP? |
| 07:26.47 | bucky | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialIptablesNetworkGateway.html |
| 07:26.51 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: yes. |
| 07:26.52 | EdibleText | ooops.. that is danerous advice for winders |
| 07:27.12 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: hahah. on co-workers? |
| 07:27.16 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: ...but it is annoying that I can't get this figured out. Any ideas? |
| 07:27.19 | LesleyB | yes EdibleText :) |
| 07:27.22 | zakame | how can I have a in/out DROP firewall and at the same time support bittorrent, among other services? |
| 07:27.38 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I'm not sure why I need it, but coupled with the "motion" package, it could be fun. |
| 07:27.54 | Xsquared | i'd like to get my desktop to look pretty cool. whats another cool desktop other than gnome and kde? is fluxbox good? |
| 07:27.58 | sgeigerbot | EdibleText: apt-get install uif |
| 07:28.04 | EdibleText | heh |
| 07:28.05 | zakame | LesleyB: I've had mine off for years, just grab the tools at grc.com and disable UPnP and messenger... |
| 07:28.10 | EdibleText | !info uif |
| 07:28.11 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: motion doesnt work with all cams |
| 07:28.16 | dpkg | uif: (Advanced iptables-firewall script), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 07:28.19 | sgeigerbot | uif - Advanced iptables-firewall script |
| 07:28.25 | Xsquared | zakame: grc.com is pathetic |
| 07:28.34 | EdibleText | oh i have the basics blocked |
| 07:28.37 | Xsquared | zakame: grcsucks.com is full of laughs |
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| 07:28.45 | zakame | Xsquared: how bout ion? |
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| 07:29.00 | Xsquared | zakame: i'll check it out, thanks |
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| 07:29.18 | zakame | Xsquared: ion as a window manager? modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 07:29.28 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: it apparently works with v4l...though...so I assume it would work with my v4l-supported camera... |
| 07:29.30 | LesleyB | mmmm ... I suspect a firewall problem here EdibleText : Incoming from the Linux box is alternatively blocked and allowed |
| 07:29.41 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: tried cd /dev/ ./MAKEDEV video ? |
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| 07:30.13 | harryvv | whats the apt-get line to install kernel sources ? |
| 07:30.13 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: did you see test above? The dev files are there...just not the device itself. |
| 07:30.17 | Xsquared | yeah, window manager. I'd like some cool transparancy effects and just overall a good looking desktop, gnome is pretty good, kde i think could be better |
| 07:30.19 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: funnying for me too. progs like effectv wont work but camorama works |
| 07:30.22 | EdibleText | LesleyB, yeah. I figured it would be best to remove it. to see if that was the problem |
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| 07:30.31 | Shrek | hi |
| 07:30.43 | EdibleText | but I dont want to put your box in a comprimisng situation |
| 07:30.46 | bucky | Xsquared, yeah but grc went after the script kiddies that took over zombie machines and dos'ed him |
| 07:30.47 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: ya saw the test. but try it anyway. try camorama |
| 07:30.48 | Shrek | does I nead to download all iso images from ftp ? There are 15 cd's o_O |
| 07:30.50 | EdibleText | you have to make the choice |
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| 07:31.05 | Xsquared | bucky: yeah, i know |
| 07:31.24 | LesleyB | I'd disconnect fro the Internet and then disdable the firewall EdibleText |
| 07:31.24 | bucky | he found them in a chat room |
| 07:31.33 | EdibleText | Shrek, no. grap the netinstall, if netinstall is an option for you |
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| 07:31.38 | EdibleText | grab even |
| 07:31.45 | dka | Hi |
| 07:31.45 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I want no gnome tools. |
| 07:31.49 | zakame | Shrek: buy them instead? |
| 07:31.50 | Xsquared | bucky: have u heard his text? |
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| 07:32.02 | bucky | yes laugh |
| 07:32.03 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: surely there are better programs to test this. |
| 07:32.14 | Xsquared | bucky: he claims he was spying on them in irc.. that isn't possible. i laughed soo hard |
| 07:32.26 | bucky | i know |
| 07:32.30 | Shrek | which KDE version is in latest stable release ? |
| 07:32.31 | skullcap | can someone tell me how I re-install a device driver (that I have on a cd-rom), into a current debian installation? |
| 07:32.33 | LesleyB | btw: while I was downloading sarge iso 1 I calculated out the times it would take to download the whole 15 disks |
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| 07:32.45 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: actually camorama works the best. effectv cant do shit. xawtv/tvtime dont see it at all. |
| 07:32.54 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Help me or I'll kill you. |
| 07:32.54 | Area-51 | gnome is still taking over, i cant get kde to startup... how would i change this? heh... xdm still loads gnome instead of kde too :| |
| 07:33.03 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 07:33.06 | sgeigerbot | ...again. |
| 07:33.06 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: i am trying (=... |
| 07:33.16 | harryvv | whats the apt-get install command to install kernel sources? |
| 07:33.16 | zakame | LesleyB: how long? |
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| 07:33.32 | deadcat | Area-51: use debfoster to remove EVERYTHING then install what you want using apt-get |
| 07:33.36 | sgeigerbot | harryvv: apt-cache show | grep ^kernel |
| 07:33.49 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: does camorama asking shits of gnome libs? |
| 07:33.55 | LesleyB | including no overheads etc : I got it down to about 2 days on a UK broadband connection |
| 07:33.56 | Area-51 | deadcat: i shouldnt have to do that though, heh |
| 07:34.06 | LesleyB | but |
| 07:34.06 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: okay...I'm installing it. |
| 07:34.12 | EdibleText | apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 07:34.22 | Area-51 | isnt there a file that i can edit to use kde over gnome as default? |
| 07:34.44 | deadcat | Area-51: you can use the display manager to do it or .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 07:34.46 | LesleyB | using te box also for non heavy traffic implies about 3.5 days |
| 07:34.56 | dka | I can't connect to packages.debian.org. don't know whether it's problem with me or with the host? Can you try it? |
| 07:35.04 | deadcat | dka: /topic |
| 07:35.07 | bucky | LesleyB, you could just do a net install like everyone else |
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| 07:35.19 | Area-51 | deadcat: is there a default for system-wide? |
| 07:35.21 | bucky | with the sarge installer |
| 07:35.25 | harryvv | shows I have kernel sources but thay are not listed in /usr/src? thats does not make sence |
| 07:35.39 | deadcat | Area-51: depends on the display manager but check /etc/X11 |
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| 07:36.00 | LesleyB | yes bucky but my original question was : assuming a bare box how do you get started with connecting up via a broadband connection to do the net install |
| 07:36.02 | deadcat | harryvv: if it doesnt exist. install it again |
| 07:36.09 | EdibleText | LesleyB, the alcatel has an ethernet port, right? |
| 07:36.16 | skullcap | anyone know how I can install a network device driver (that I have on a cd), into an existing debian installation? |
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| 07:36.24 | LesleyB | nope it's a usb connection to the box EdibleText :) |
| 07:36.32 | commodude28 | I may make no leeway here |
| 07:36.33 | EdibleText | LesleyB, only? |
| 07:36.35 | commodude28 | but |
| 07:36.39 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Could not connect to video device /dev/video0 !! |
| 07:36.39 | EdibleText | hmm |
| 07:36.42 | commodude28 | I just installed |
| 07:36.45 | commodude28 | ubuntu |
| 07:36.45 | deadcat | skullcap: you know you need ndiswrapper right? |
| 07:36.48 | dka | deadcat: I'am not realy used to irc, so what does it mean '/topic'? |
| 07:36.49 | harryvv | deadcat, i got lots of feedback of sources installed using apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 07:36.52 | commodude28 | you metion you are drunk |
| 07:36.53 | commodude28 | and |
| 07:36.54 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: ...that was so predictable, as "cat /dev/video0" tells me the same thing. |
| 07:36.56 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: you're fucked (= kill me now |
| 07:36.56 | LesleyB | EdibleText alcaltel<usb>XP<crossover>linux |
| 07:36.58 | commodude28 | they ignore you |
| 07:37.12 | deadcat | dka: type it |
| 07:37.21 | skullcap | deadcat: I thought that was just for drivers that were written for windows. |
| 07:37.25 | zakame | just only usb?!? i thought those speedtouchs had two ports... |
| 07:37.31 | commodude28 | prolly right |
| 07:37.32 | EdibleText | LesleyB, yes.. but doed alcatel also have an eth port? |
| 07:37.33 | commodude28 | but |
| 07:37.39 | deadcat | harryvv: get the latest right? |
| 07:37.40 | commodude28 | drunk or not |
| 07:37.43 | harryvv | So I guess debian does not install sources in /usr/src |
| 07:37.44 | commodude28 | I tried it |
| 07:37.51 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 10th time |
| 07:37.53 | apt | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-neutrino gun at deadcat for the 10th time |
| 07:37.53 | commodude28 | and I need to know this |
| 07:37.55 | harryvv | deadcat, yes...fresh install of debian today. |
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| 07:37.57 | deadcat | skullcap: you need to use ndiswrapper and tools to load the windows driver. |
| 07:37.59 | bucky | LesleyB, the installer likes having an ethernet connection preferably with dhcp |
| 07:38.03 | commodude28 | how do I uninstall pkgs |
| 07:38.08 | commodude28 | I am used to rpms |
| 07:38.08 | LesleyB | no EdibleText its a 330 no Ethernet there |
| 07:38.19 | deadcat | commodude28: apt-get remove pkgname |
| 07:38.26 | commodude28 | Thanks |
| 07:38.29 | skullcap | deadcat: I have a driver on a cd written for linux, though I think it is written for redhat, and not debian. |
| 07:38.29 | deadcat | commodude28: apt-get remove pkgname --purge would remove the config files as well. |
| 07:38.32 | commodude28 | I'll try it |
| 07:38.37 | commodude28 | but can you query? |
| 07:38.42 | harryvv | deadcat, where are sources kept |
| 07:38.45 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: have you used ndiswrapper? You might want to try the free alternative, called driverloader: http://www.linuxant.com |
| 07:38.49 | deadcat | harryvv: /usr/src/ |
| 07:39.01 | commodude28 | Like find a exact name? |
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| 07:39.05 | useruser | harryvv: you have to unpack them manually |
| 07:39.06 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: used ndiswrapper once. its shit. |
| 07:39.09 | harryvv | deadcat, nothing there but two dirs i created |
| 07:39.11 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: sorry, I gott that backwards. |
| 07:39.19 | deadcat | harryvv: shich source you want to install? |
| 07:39.20 | commodude28 | Screw it |
| 07:39.25 | commodude28 | if it works |
| 07:39.28 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: maybe the commercial one, driverloader is better (but I doubt it) |
| 07:39.30 | EdibleText | LesleyB, youll want to look at this when you are ready to put linux on the alcatel |
| 07:39.31 | commodude28 | you arwe God |
| 07:39.33 | commodude28 | if not |
| 07:39.33 | EdibleText | http://www.xs4all.nl/~pschram/english.html |
| 07:39.34 | commodude28 | well |
| 07:39.34 | deadcat | commodude28: what the fuck. what you want to rm? |
| 07:39.35 | commodude28 | ./. |
| 07:39.41 | harryvv | deadcat, the one that can allow me to compile a driver for a pci card. |
| 07:39.48 | commodude28 | firefox |
| 07:39.50 | harryvv | im running 2.4.27 |
| 07:39.51 | commodude28 | it is .9 |
| 07:39.53 | commodude28 | something |
| 07:40.06 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I want to kill someone. :-) |
| 07:40.07 | deadcat | harryvv: what pci card? |
| 07:40.08 | commodude28 | I have the stuff from the site |
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| 07:40.14 | harryvv | zaptel |
| 07:40.15 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: kill me (= |
| 07:40.15 | zakame | firefox is damn slow |
| 07:40.20 | LesleyB | well .... ok bucky but what do you do if you don't have a big campus network to sit on? what if you is sitting at home with it? |
| 07:40.25 | commodude28 | I like it |
| 07:40.26 | harryvv | dont worry about the card i have that taken care of |
| 07:40.28 | commodude28 | so humor me |
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| 07:40.34 | deadcat | harryvv: you want to install a driver right? now compile a new kernel. |
| 07:40.34 | skullcap | deadcat: how do I load a linux device driver, (redhat linux, but I want to use it on debian). Is that do-able? |
| 07:40.35 | harryvv | its the souces need to be installed. |
| 07:40.43 | Area-51 | deadcat: debfoster isnt showing anything for gnome |
| 07:40.43 | commodude28 | linux is choice right |
| 07:40.44 | LesleyB | ty EdibleText :) |
| 07:40.46 | commodude28 | SO I choose |
| 07:40.54 | zakame | souce? |
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| 07:40.59 | deadcat | skullcap: i doubt it. but you can compile it on debian though |
| 07:41.11 | deadcat | Area-51: run it and keep going through the list |
| 07:41.29 | skullcap | ok. |
| 07:41.51 | Area-51 | deadcat: i did, thats how i know its not there, heh |
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| 07:41.59 | LesleyB | EdibleText thanks rte that URL: I had the Linux box running SuSE 8.2 with the alcatel modem installed ok |
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| 07:42.12 | deadcat | Area-51: maybe you dont have any gnome stuff else it would show up |
| 07:42.19 | EdibleText | LesleyB, oh excellent |
| 07:42.29 | Area-51 | deadcat: i have plenty of gnome stuff because it keeps starting up, heh |
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| 07:42.47 | deadcat | Area-51: debfoster -n maybe. |
| 07:42.57 | LesleyB | it was a bit wierd to set up but got it owrking and then SuSE took over with auto updates and the code's been in the kernels since 2.4.24 (? ish) |
| 07:43.02 | skullcap | deadcat: is there a how-to resource that you know of on the web, for loading linux drivers into existing debian installs? |
| 07:43.20 | Area-51 | deadcat: now it shows up |
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| 07:43.23 | deadcat | skullcap: no. but whats the driver name you have? |
| 07:43.30 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: Do you have to load the videodev module to use v4l? If so, what do you have in the various module config files? Perhaps that's what I need to change. |
| 07:43.38 | deadcat | Area-51: maybe you missed it the first time (= |
| 07:43.47 | skullcap | uh, one minute, I have to look it up. |
| 07:43.49 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: i use videodev |
| 07:44.03 | Area-51 | deadcat: but i didnt ;) |
| 07:44.04 | Thaiger | OK, on my last boot X starts up and seems a bit slow but eventually I get a message saying my greeter crashed and another one will be used, no problem I log in, starts to fluxbox OK, then X kicks me out back to my normal greeter, so I log in again and then I try switching to a VC but all I get is a little green stripe across the desktop so I press enter a few times, the image starts scrolling across the screen and a little ways up until my monitors green light |
| 07:44.04 | Thaiger | shuts off and the amber one comes on, but no Out of scan range error either |
| 07:44.10 | Thaiger | any advice? |
| 07:44.28 | EdibleText | Its getting too cold in the computer room.. time to stoke the fire, and maybe go to bed |
| 07:44.51 | EdibleText | wood heat is like a baby |
| 07:45.00 | zakame | Thaiger: check your xsession ? |
| 07:45.18 | EdibleText | need constant attention |
| 07:45.32 | LesleyB | bbfn and thanks for the help :) |
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| 07:45.38 | zakame | LesleyB: why? what's your time? |
| 07:45.39 | EdibleText | np good luck |
| 07:45.47 | Thaiger | zakame: this is one of the many many errors, I've had with X lately the no real errors seem to show up in my logs |
| 07:45.47 | EdibleText | uk |
| 07:45.51 | EdibleText | UTC |
| 07:46.12 | zakame | date --utc |
| 07:46.12 | Thaiger | at seemlingly random times I get kicked from my desktop back to the login screen at best or as described above at worse |
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| 07:46.23 | skullcap | deadcat, I got it from SourceForge it is just called "driver for rtl8180 + sa2400" |
| 07:46.24 | zakame | oh, so its 7 am there... |
| 07:46.33 | EdibleText | gnoit |
| 07:46.34 | deadcat | skullcap: link me |
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| 07:47.11 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: right...that's the module you have to use. |
| 07:47.13 | deadcat | skullcap: dont /msg me please |
| 07:47.15 | zakame | Thaiger: but you use fluxbox, right? did you set up and .xsession? |
| 07:47.20 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: please re-read what I wrote. |
| 07:47.36 | skullcap | oh, ok, i thought that was what you meant. I'll get the link... |
| 07:47.40 | dka | after 'mount -t udf /dev/dvd /dvd' there is no 'x (execute)' perm on /dvd, so nobody can traval in (umask/mode doesn't make it better) any ideas? |
| 07:47.48 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: what you mean various config file? |
| 07:47.55 | Thaiger | zakame: I'm sorry could you please rephrase that? |
| 07:48.17 | skullcap | deadcat, here is the link.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtl8180-sa2400 |
| 07:48.18 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: /etc/mod* |
| 07:48.24 | zakame | Thaiger: but you use fluxbox, right? did you set up an .xsession file so you could start up fluxbox??? |
| 07:48.30 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: dont have to do jack. |
| 07:48.52 | Thaiger | zakame: I did an apt-get install fluxbox then picked fluxbox from the GDM menu |
| 07:49.29 | zakame | Thaiger: oic... strange. was there anything that borkd during flux's install? |
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| 07:49.45 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: I'm tired... tahnsk for the hlep. |
| 07:49.51 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:50.14 | Thaiger | zakame, no and it happens in any other WM too, and on previous installs of debian, although it seems not as frequent in previous installs |
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| 07:50.22 | deadcat | skullcap: let me download it and see whats up |
| 07:50.36 | skullcap | deadcat, here is the link made by the programmer, concerning the driver: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:50.49 | zakame | Thaiger: did you check your install? |
| 07:50.51 | skullcap | deadcat : ok, thanks... |
| 07:51.07 | Thaiger | zakame: How would I do that? |
| 07:52.05 | zakame | apt-get check, cruft, look at the sys logs... |
| 07:52.26 | deadcat | skullcap: what kernel you have? and what distro? |
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| 07:53.54 | skullcap | deadcat: I put in kernel 2.4 and distro woody 3.0r3 |
| 07:54.03 | BlacKnight| | is there a net install floppy for deb? |
| 07:54.14 | zakame | BlacKnight|: yes |
| 07:54.17 | deadcat | skullcap: the driver is mainly for 2.6... this is a desktop machine? |
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| 07:54.30 | BlacKnight| | ow many discs is it? |
| 07:54.31 | skullcap | deadcat: yes |
| 07:54.32 | jcoiron | hello |
| 07:54.38 | deadcat | skullcap: you really should go testing |
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| 07:54.50 | skullcap | testing? |
| 07:55.03 | BlacKnight| | and what's debian-non-US |
| 07:55.03 | skullcap | oh, I get ya |
| 07:55.04 | deadcat | skullcap: woody pkg for desktop is so out of date. |
| 07:55.04 | BlacKnight| | ? |
| 07:55.11 | streuner | blacke: depends on your NIC, /msg dpkg ig |
| 07:55.17 | skullcap | right, ok Sarge you mean |
| 07:55.21 | deadcat | skullcap: get testing and get a 2.6 kernel. |
| 07:55.28 | deadcat | ya sarge |
| 07:55.30 | skullcap | ok, |
| 07:55.53 | zakame | get potato |
| 07:56.00 | streuner | BlacKnight|: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 07:56.13 | streuner | !nonus |
| 07:56.13 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 07:56.27 | deadcat | skullcap: first upgrade to testing then apt-getinstall kernel-{image,headers}-2.6.7-blahblahblah |
| 07:56.39 | BlacKnight| | wow that's a lot of discs... |
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| 07:56.42 | BlacKnight| | streuner: cheers |
| 07:57.18 | streuner | BlacKnight|: the best case is you need 2 floppies, if your NIC is supported in that discs of course |
| 07:57.24 | BlacKnight| | ah ok |
| 07:57.31 | BlacKnight| | i'll just get the minimum cd image! |
| 07:57.40 | BlacKnight| | so i'm better off getting the non-us distro? |
| 07:57.42 | streuner | BlacKnight|: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:57.57 | skullcap | deadcat: what do you think about doing a knoppix install? |
| 07:58.12 | deadcat | skullcap: dont know. its not debian. (= |
| 07:58.34 | maher | skullcap: you can boot from knoppix and run debootstrap |
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| 07:58.46 | BlacKnight| | so sarge is current? |
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| 07:59.03 | BlacKnight| | sorry i'll stop asking really inane questions and just use ome google skills =F |
| 07:59.10 | skullcap | thanks maher |
| 07:59.47 | takatumi | BlacKnight|: www.debian.org might be a good start ;) |
| 07:59.52 | maher | skullcap: remember to explicitly state a debian mirror when you do |
| 08:00.44 | BlacKnight| | hehe yeah |
| 08:00.51 | streuner | blacke: there are 3 versions in debian - sarge=testing, woody=stable and sid=unstable |
| 08:01.19 | BlacKnight| | ta.. woody's getting pretty ancient now isn't it? |
| 08:01.31 | deadcat | BlacKnight|: no. works fine for server |
| 08:01.38 | streuner | woody is old, yes |
| 08:01.41 | BlacKnight| | is it kernel 2.4x or 2.6? |
| 08:01.54 | streuner | 2.4.18 or 2.2.20 |
| 08:01.59 | zakame | but not dead |
| 08:02.01 | deadcat | 2.4.27 |
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| 08:02.12 | BlacKnight| | wow... how about sid and sarge? |
| 08:02.13 | zakame | 1.2.14 |
| 08:02.19 | mlalkaka | !nvidia |
| 08:02.21 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 08:03.19 | BlacKnight| | does anyone know what'll happen if i install debian on a harddrive with one system, then put that hdd in another system (same cpu, diff hdd, vid card, etc) and try to boot off it? |
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| 08:03.39 | deadcat | BlacKnight|: it works |
| 08:03.40 | maher | BlacKnight|: it will probably work |
| 08:03.41 | streuner | BlacKnight|: 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 (sarge/sid) two weeks ago, 2.6.10 is in unstable atm. |
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| 08:04.04 | BlacKnight| | streuner: sid = unstable no? |
| 08:04.09 | devi0s | X will probably not work |
| 08:04.10 | streuner | yes |
| 08:04.24 | zakame | sid not too unstable for work ;D |
| 08:04.25 | BlacKnight| | so sid'd still be at 2.6.8? |
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| 08:04.34 | deadcat | zakame: bullshit (= |
| 08:04.41 | BlacKnight| | hrmm i might just go sid.. i like bleeding edge... |
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| 08:04.58 | BlacKnight| | it's only the home server, and anything debian would be infintely more stable than mdk 9 |
| 08:05.06 | streuner | BlacKnight|: unstable has always the latest software which is avaiable, but mostly developers run it |
| 08:05.11 | zakame | deadcat: experimental is what we work most of the time (: |
| 08:05.12 | mp3jMS | hello |
| 08:05.28 | dka | help |
| 08:05.29 | deadcat | BlacKnight|: i run apache/ssh and all other server daemons on my desktop. sid |
| 08:05.38 | deadcat | zakame: HAHAHAH |
| 08:05.40 | BlacKnight| | yeah i'll go with sid.. more fun :) |
| 08:05.44 | mp3jMS | how good is linux to conect to the internet with dial up? |
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| 08:05.52 | zakame | :D |
| 08:05.56 | deadcat | BlacKnight|: when it breaks you get to bitch about it here. |
| 08:05.57 | sgeigerbot | mp3jMS: define good |
| 08:05.57 | mp3jMS | lets say withy aol? |
| 08:06.02 | streuner | BlacKnight|: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 08:06.04 | mp3jMS | can you do it? |
| 08:06.05 | sgeigerbot | mp3jMS: not good...but possible. |
| 08:06.05 | deadcat | mp3jMS: depends on what modem you have. |
| 08:06.09 | BlacKnight| | is there a sid netinst cd? |
| 08:06.20 | deadcat | BlacKnight|: d-i can do unstable |
| 08:06.23 | sgeigerbot | mp3jMS: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-10-15-010-26-NW-CY-LL As a program, Peng, in our opinion, much better than its official AOL counterpart. It does not require a graphical interface (although it has one made with Qt), it can be started as a service, and it does not "kindly" interrupt your connection when you don't use your keyboard. It is not full of ads and does not make Internet seem like an AOL product. |
| 08:06.29 | zakame | mp3jMS: so good you'll fall asleep :D |
| 08:06.35 | mlalkaka | /close |
| 08:06.45 | sgeigerbot | BlacKnight|: install from the debian installer...and then do this: To upgrade testing/sarge to unstable/sid: "sudo perl -pi~ -ne 's/(testing|sarge)/sid/g; print unless /security.debian.org/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 08:07.13 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: no need. if you do export26 or expert it ask you to select stable/testing/unstable |
| 08:07.14 | sgeigerbot | mp3jMS: it really sucks, though. |
| 08:07.39 | sgeigerbot | deadcat: nice. |
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| 08:08.04 | hettar | to the debian 2.6 kernels support software suspend ? |
| 08:08.06 | BlacKnight| | speiger: thanks, that faq is invaluable |
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| 08:08.20 | mp3jMS | ok so thats one of the reasons linux can not go mainstream .. at least with the people i hang out with very limited budget only conncet with dial up |
| 08:08.23 | deadcat | hettar: if it works on other distro it works on debian |
| 08:08.27 | maher | hettar: check linux laptops for your model |
| 08:08.28 | sgeigerbot | BlacKnight|: np |
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| 08:09.06 | BlacKnight| | ok maybe i'll just go with sarge.. |
| 08:09.06 | zakame | mp3jMS: get a prepaid internet card then, if that's available... |
| 08:09.08 | sgeigerbot | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com |
| 08:09.21 | BlacKnight| | does installing some sid packages with a sarge base install often cause problems |
| 08:09.28 | zakame | mp3jMS: here in .ph we do that, no stinkin' aol-timewarner... |
| 08:09.33 | deadcat | BlacKnight|: yes |
| 08:09.36 | sgeigerbot | BlacKnight|: not often, imho |
| 08:09.37 | takatumi | mp3jMS: dial-up works, it's just painful to get it installed if you don't have a real modem. |
| 08:09.44 | hettar | yes I have looked at linux on laptops but all references to my laptop say they haven't tried it |
| 08:09.46 | mp3jMS | prepaid internet card? is that in europe? i havent heard of such a thing in america at leaST NOT IN JERSEY |
| 08:09.53 | BlacKnight| | heh i think i'll be right.. i do naughty things like install deb packages in ubuntu |
| 08:10.02 | sgeigerbot | BlacKnight|: in fact, many people use a mixed system... I don't quite understand that, but it happens. |
| 08:10.08 | zakame | takatumi: at least with conexant modems you've a fighting chance. I'm on an hsfi... |
| 08:10.20 | maher | hettar: try it and see - then write a report for linuc laptops.... |
| 08:10.30 | zakame | mp3jMS: such things exist in the East, i think... :D |
| 08:10.34 | mp3jMS | takatumi, define "real modem" |
| 08:10.39 | takatumi | zakame: conexant is what I have as well, forget about net install. |
| 08:10.46 | deadcat | mp3jMS: software modem is shit.. |
| 08:10.53 | mp3jMS | not this part of the east |
| 08:11.15 | mp3jMS | i know i should not use a 'win,modem" |
| 08:11.19 | hettar | maher: I am goin to try it. I was just wondering if debian kernel images were built with support for software suspend or wether I would need to build my own kernel |
| 08:11.22 | skullcap | deadcat: you appear real busy, and you're helping alot of folks here. I appreciate your help so far. Can I trouble you for a few questions more? |
| 08:11.27 | zakame | BlacKnight|: no problems here on my sarge/sid mixup... |
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| 08:11.34 | deadcat | skullcap: just ask. |
| 08:11.41 | zakame | takatumi: true, stick to cd/dvd :D |
| 08:11.48 | takatumi | mp3jMS: an old USR 56K serial for eg. |
| 08:11.50 | maher | hettar: i don't know offhand - i would expect it to be built in the 2.6's in testing/unstable |
| 08:12.29 | zakame | takatumi: i only hope conexant sees the light and opens the source... |
| 08:12.31 | soulfly | since packages.debian.org is down. could anyone do a "dlocate equivs-build" for me? |
| 08:12.32 | mp3jMS | takatumi, i like that an old but why everything that is old is the only stuff that works with linux? |
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| 08:13.20 | mlalkaka | !sarge |
| 08:13.21 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 08:13.28 | zakame | mp3jMS: that's a fallacy. it just so happens linux is tested in common (and more likely to age) hw... |
| 08:13.43 | skullcap | deadcat: ok. I dig what you said about Sarge. Could I do an install with just like the first 2 cd's? |
| 08:13.53 | maher | skullcap: should just need cd1 |
| 08:13.54 | takatumi | mp3jMS: the newer winmodems were made for windows, and requires specific drivers which aren't open sourced, so you won't get support from the kernel for those. |
| 08:14.00 | kjoonlee | skullcap: you can install debian with two floppies, |
| 08:14.12 | deadcat | skullcap: ya. but sooner or later you WILL have to upgrade your packages. |
| 08:14.21 | deadcat | skullcap: do you ahve broadband? |
| 08:14.30 | mp3jMS | takatumi, i know i read about that but why isnt anyone creating a modem for linux users |
| 08:14.55 | skullcap | thanks maher and kjoonlee, deadcat: so the device drivers on on the first cd? |
| 08:14.56 | maher | mp3jMS: there are lots of modems that work with linux - also conexatn will sell you a driver for $20 |
| 08:14.58 | kjoonlee | mp3jMS: why bother, when you can make modems that work for everyone? |
| 08:15.04 | zakame | mp3jMS: yes. Hardware, external modems. |
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| 08:16.26 | mp3jMS | what book you guys recomend for a total linux newbie to start with? |
| 08:16.36 | Area-51 | xdm says its not the default display manager. but it is. i tried reinstalling, purging then reinstalling, removing and puring x-window-system, xserver-xfree86, and xdm. i even tried installing gdm and telling debian to use xdm when it asked me. what else am i supposed to do to get xdm to work? heh |
| 08:16.36 | skullcap | deadcat: I have a cable connection on a network. I am in Seattle, and my usual download rates were from 35 -80 kb per second |
| 08:16.44 | deadcat | mp3jMS: linux cook book |
| 08:16.48 | maher | mp3jMS: running debian by matt welsh et al |
| 08:16.49 | carthik | hile, can I just download 1 cd iso and install debian? |
| 08:16.56 | deadcat | skullcap: then just upgrade it. |
| 08:17.02 | deadcat | skullcap: dont need no cds |
| 08:17.29 | mp3jMS | running debian? is that on o'really? |
| 08:17.41 | takatumi | mp3jMS: try http://qref.sourceforge.net/ as well. |
| 08:17.52 | maher | mp3jMS: yes |
| 08:17.55 | deadcat | mp3jMS: no. you can get it from the stable debian branch. |
| 08:18.11 | mp3jMS | hmm interesting i have running linux the on e with the horse |
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| 08:18.33 | deadcat | mp3jMS: thats not bad. |
| 08:18.49 | mp3jMS | deadcat, stable debian branch? can you be a little more verbose? |
| 08:18.56 | kjoonlee | deadcat: could you tell me the name of the package? I'm not on Debian at the moment and I can't search p.d.o |
| 08:19.05 | kjoonlee | deadcat: for Running Debian |
| 08:19.09 | deadcat | mp3jMS: when packages.debian.org is up again. check it there. search for linuxcookbook |
| 08:19.21 | samdret | Got an error: install_driver(mysql) failed: Can't load '/usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so' for module DBD::mysql: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/DBD/mysql/mysql.so: undefined symbol: PL_perl_destruct_level at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/DynaLoader.pm line 225. at (eval 4) line 3 Compilation failed in require at (eval 4) line 3. - Does _anyone_ know how i can fix this? I've been searching the web for over two hours now, and i've found several other people with the same |
| 08:19.23 | mp3jMS | ok thanks |
| 08:19.30 | deadcat | !find linuxcookbook |
| 08:19.31 | kjoonlee | deadcat: Oh well, will do :) |
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| 08:19.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linuxcookbook' returned no results. |
| 08:19.46 | deadcat | !find linux cook book |
| 08:19.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux cook book' returned no results. |
| 08:19.58 | kerneld | Hey, did verisign update their CA certs? |
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| 08:20.17 | mp3jMS | now one more thing i have not found a really good mp3 player like the one called musicmatch anyone knows of one that can be close to music match jukebox? |
| 08:20.32 | skullcap | deadcat: how about this: I found a linux driver at realtek for my wireless card, and it says that it will work with this kernel version:Linux kernel 2.4.18 (gcc version |
| 08:20.34 | deadcat | !find cookbook |
| 08:20.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cookbook' (6 shown; 15 total): (/etc/zmailer/guides/cookbook) in mail/zmailer ;; (/etc/zmailer/guides/cookbook) in non-US/zmailer-ssl ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/printing-cookbook) in doc/lprng-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/am-utils/cookbook.txt.gz) in net/am-utils ;; (/usr/share/doc/ltp/automation-cookbook.html) in misc/ltp ;; (/usr/share/doc/python2.4/html/ext/win-cookbook.html) in doc/python2.4-doc. |
| 08:21.03 | Supaplex | !find blues clues (har har) |
| 08:21.07 | deadcat | skullcap: you have fast connection. you SHOULD not use woody on a desktop. |
| 08:21.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'blues clues (har har)' returned no results. |
| 08:21.37 | zakame | like i said, use potato |
| 08:21.49 | zakame | Supaplex: huh?!? (= |
| 08:22.04 | mp3jMS | no help on the mp3 player for linux ah? |
| 08:22.07 | mp3jMS | hgmm |
| 08:22.14 | Supaplex | zakame: google for blues clues, i'm sure you'll discover what I was poking fun at. |
| 08:22.21 | deadcat | mp3jMS: xmms? |
| 08:22.21 | maher | mp3jMS: i use mpg321 or xmms |
| 08:22.30 | skullcap | I know, but I am on a windBlows 2000 system now, I cant get debian woody to recognize my wireless card. |
| 08:22.42 | mp3jMS | mpg321? |
| 08:22.46 | maher | skullcap: try the sarge installer |
| 08:22.49 | deadcat | skullcap: you dont have wire? |
| 08:22.54 | Supaplex | yes, mpg321, a cousin of mpg123 |
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| 08:23.12 | mp3jMS | i dont have that one im looking for one that you can see your music library and your playlist at the same time |
| 08:23.14 | deadcat | Supaplex: bastard son more like it |
| 08:23.15 | skullcap | deadcat: not on my debian install, it wont see the wireless card |
| 08:23.19 | kjoonlee | mp3jMS: If you want something more substansive, you might want to check out amarok |
| 08:23.27 | zakame | Supaplex: yeah, i already know bout bluez cluez, tis about bluetooth, right? ;p |
| 08:23.30 | deadcat | skullcap: it doesnt ahve rj45? |
| 08:23.48 | zakame | mp3jMS: try mpd |
| 08:24.00 | mp3jMS | thanks |
| 08:24.02 | zakame | musicpd.org |
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| 08:24.15 | skullcap | deadcat: I am on a wireless network, not any other kind of network, and I have one computer. |
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| 08:24.51 | skullcap | deadcat: wireless on my windows2000 install, woody wont see the realtek pci wireless card |
| 08:25.08 | zakame | mp3jMS: doesn't really allow you to see both at the same time with one client a la winamp, but you could do with two, like via ncmpc... |
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| 08:25.40 | zakame | hi ken |
| 08:25.43 | deadcat | skullcap: usually when theres wireless theres WIRE (= |
| 08:26.15 | zakame | deadcat: haha |
| 08:26.35 | mp3jMS | goodbye now |
| 08:26.36 | skullcap | deadcat: yeah, but not in my case. I live in an apartment with free wireless from a cable connection. |
| 08:26.48 | zakame | my torrent's almost done, 129MB over a 5K/s dialup... |
| 08:26.49 | deadcat | skullcap: you mean stolen (= |
| 08:26.50 | maher | skullcap: did you try the sarge installer |
| 08:27.00 | skullcap | deadcat: goodone |
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| 08:27.05 | zakame | makethat 123.9 MB |
| 08:27.05 | mp3jMS | and thank you for all your help, i see that you guys have changed your ways thanks again |
| 08:27.26 | skullcap | deadcat: no, it is provided for the apartment complex, funny huh? |
| 08:27.27 | zakame | mp3jMS: what ways? |
| 08:27.29 | kjoonlee | Off Topic: Is anybody from Belgium? How would a Belgian pronounce Guylian? /msg me, please.. |
| 08:27.44 | mp3jMS | the way of treating people looking for info |
| 08:27.46 | zakame | Guy and Lion? |
| 08:27.57 | zakame | or gillian? |
| 08:28.10 | mp3jMS | i have 2 go now thanks again |
| 08:28.11 | deadcat | skullcap: ya. damn. then download few pkg including the driver then install via your sarge cds i guess. |
| 08:28.29 | kjoonlee | zakame: It's meant to be Guy (a male name) + Liliane (a female name) so I suspect "gilian" or something similar |
| 08:28.57 | zakame | kjoonlee: probably so, like park shin yang... |
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| 08:29.56 | skullcap | maher: is that a small install? |
| 08:30.16 | skullcap | maher: the sarge installer? |
| 08:30.20 | maher | skullcap: you can use d-i on floppies or a netinstallcd or a full cd |
| 08:30.26 | zakame | about 23MB small, i think... |
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| 08:30.36 | skullcap | maher: oh, ok |
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| 08:31.12 | deadcat | maher: his wireless has no driver. cant netisntall |
| 08:31.26 | maher | deadcat: no driver at all? |
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| 08:31.38 | deadcat | maher: needs to compile. 2.6 kernel. |
| 08:31.48 | maher | deadcat: sarge has a 2.6 installer |
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| 08:32.23 | deadcat | maher: ya. so i thought he could go upgrade from woody to sarge but he doesnt have rj45 connection. |
| 08:32.31 | skullcap | nope, I do have a driver from realtek, which says it will work with Linux kernel 2.4.18 (gcc version 2.96) |
| 08:32.39 | kerneld | !benh |
| 08:32.39 | dpkg | benh maintains a powerpc kernel rsync tree, see http://penguinppc.org/~benh/, or see factoid 'ppc rsync' |
| 08:32.52 | kerneld | !ppc rsync |
| 08:32.52 | dpkg | ppc rsync is probably rsync -arvz rsync.penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh . |
| 08:33.04 | deadcat | i dont need bhenh on my g3 800mhz ibook |
| 08:33.07 | kerneld | Hmm old. I want 2.6 benh |
| 08:33.19 | BlacKnight| | hehh i know this is ridiculously stupid, but is there a way to netinstall debian without a monitor keyboard (ie, from a computer on the network?) |
| 08:33.23 | deadcat | kerneld: just use kernel.org or apt-get kernel-source. works fine for me |
| 08:33.36 | zakame | who's benh |
| 08:33.39 | kerneld | deadcat: I have probs with sleep |
| 08:33.50 | zakame | kerneld: what prob? |
| 08:33.52 | kerneld | zakame: The ppc guru |
| 08:33.56 | deadcat | kerneld: i dont. which machine you have |
| 08:33.58 | zakame | can you wake it up? |
| 08:34.10 | deadcat | zakame: anytime i want. |
| 08:34.12 | kerneld | deadcat: Pbook G4 400 |
| 08:34.26 | skullcap | deadcat: will a realtek driver that says it will work with linux kernel 2.4.18, work with kernel 2.4? |
| 08:34.28 | deadcat | kerneld: ah. you do need benh's patch for g4 i think |
| 08:34.30 | zakame | BlacKnight|: yeah, FAI (fully automagic installation) |
| 08:34.46 | kerneld | deadcat: When it goes to sleep it won't wake up, but it is not off |
| 08:34.48 | deadcat | skullcap: the howto say it might. but you go ahead and try it out. |
| 08:35.19 | zakame | skullcap: unless there are versioned symbols, probably... |
| 08:35.38 | deadcat | kerneld: damn. thats bad. cus you have to force it to go off. like putting your dog to sleep )= |
| 08:35.48 | kerneld | Yeah sucks |
| 08:35.58 | kerneld | finger on the button for a while |
| 08:36.01 | BlacKnight| | zakame: sweet |
| 08:36.02 | deadcat | )= |
| 08:36.07 | BlacKnight| | !FAI |
| 08:36.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 08:36.08 | takatumi | BlacKnight|: if that machine already has a linux based OS, debootstrap might be a good option. |
| 08:36.17 | kerneld | deadcat: And no kpanic to see what went bad |
| 08:36.21 | BlacKnight| | takatumi: nah, it's a virgin |
| 08:36.31 | skullcap | ok, how do I do this, do I have to access the command line, or is there some way to go back to the base install configure, and when they ask for a device module, I input the driver from a cd? |
| 08:36.31 | kerneld | deadcat: I have madwifi module loaded, could be flakey |
| 08:36.31 | deadcat | kerneld: true. |
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| 08:36.47 | zakame | BlacKnight|: no OS? |
| 08:36.48 | deadcat | kerneld: what i do is unload all networking module before sleeping. |
| 08:37.04 | zakame | skullcap: Alt-F2? |
| 08:37.05 | BlacKnight| | oh it's for cluster install |
| 08:37.09 | BlacKnight| | zakame: nothing |
| 08:37.18 | DarkPainter | hey guys, how do i install gnome again? =| |
| 08:37.29 | zakame | DarkPainter: dselect |
| 08:37.32 | BlacKnight| | oh one more thing.. i have a 20 gb hdd.. i want to install debian to a 200 gig hdd, then use dd to transfer the installation over to the 20 gig |
| 08:37.36 | zakame | or aptitude |
| 08:37.36 | deadcat | DarkPainter: if you ask again. it means you should know by now |
| 08:37.41 | skullcap | zakame: alt-f2? that's how I access it? |
| 08:37.42 | takatumi | DarkPainter: man apt-get, man apt-cache |
| 08:37.47 | BlacKnight| | i need to make the partitions on the 20 gig and 200 gig identical eh? |
| 08:38.01 | zakame | BlacKnight|: you dont want to do that. |
| 08:38.03 | DarkPainter | darnit deadcat i know i know, but i'll write it down this time =( |
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| 08:38.09 | BlacKnight| | zakame: why not? |
| 08:38.10 | maher | BlacKnight|: why not use cp or rsync |
| 08:38.20 | newie | greetz to all |
| 08:38.25 | BlacKnight| | dd's cp but uber right? |
| 08:38.34 | zakame | or bittorrent |
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| 08:38.39 | BlacKnight| | FAI sounds painful |
| 08:38.43 | maher | BlacKnight|: no |
| 08:38.48 | deadcat | DarkPainter: cant help ya. never used gnome. ITS CRAP |
| 08:38.56 | DarkPainter | what do you use then |
| 08:38.58 | zakame | dd's cp but block-level |
| 08:38.59 | BlacKnight| | isn't that the only way to transfer over a root partition from one drive to another? |
| 08:39.09 | deadcat | DarkPainter: openbox3 |
| 08:39.12 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 08:39.14 | BlacKnight| | zakame: perfect.. right? |
| 08:39.24 | DarkPainter | something i might want to take a look at? |
| 08:39.25 | maher | BlacKnight|: what's wrong with making a partition and using cp or rsync? |
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| 08:39.29 | mlewis00 | BlacKnight|: Partimage might be another option... |
| 08:39.36 | esher | hi fellas |
| 08:39.40 | BlacKnight| | maher: doesnt using cp muck the root partition up? |
| 08:39.45 | BlacKnight| | and i know nothing about rsync? |
| 08:39.48 | maher | BlacKnight|: no |
| 08:40.02 | skullcap | zakame: Do I hit |
| 08:40.11 | maher | BlacKnight|: read man cp for the option to make sure you preserve special files in /dev |
| 08:40.16 | BlacKnight| | so that'll let me move the root partition over without worrying about partition sizes? |
| 08:40.21 | DarkPainter | so how do i install a gui then =\ |
| 08:40.23 | deadcat | kerneld: ask bob2 about 2.6 benh stuff. hes using it. |
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| 08:40.33 | maher | BlacKnight|: yes |
| 08:40.34 | skullcap | zakame: do I hit "alt-f2" to load a device driver? |
| 08:40.57 | esher | anyone know how to download whole content of a webserver (wmv) ? wget -r -l1 --no-parent -A.wmv http://www.server.com/dir/ wont work |
| 08:41.22 | deadcat | esher: curl might. |
| 08:41.36 | setuid_w00t | I am getting "sd_mod 15120 1" as a line from lsmod. Should I be able to rmmod it? I'm getting the error ERROR: Module sd_mod is in use |
| 08:41.43 | Sysdrum | hey i have been having video issues from the first day i put debian on the computer i am working with linux on. i have tried reconfiging an reinstalls? what else could i do? |
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| 08:41.53 | BlacKnight| | ok so from what i can tell.... cp -pidRv /old_drive/* /new_drive/ |
| 08:41.54 | setuid_w00t | esher: --page-requisites maybe? |
| 08:42.06 | maher | Sysdrum: what isues |
| 08:42.23 | skullcap | thanks everybody, see you later. |
| 08:42.26 | esher | i try |
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| 08:42.38 | DarkPainter | oh come on, nobody knows? |
| 08:42.57 | DarkPainter | abrotman gave it to me before... =\ |
| 08:42.58 | Sysdrum | the screen gets fuzzy like black specs an stuff |
| 08:43.03 | maher | DarkPainter: don't read the install guide - it won't tell you how |
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| 08:43.13 | newie | how can I fix an account? I had to do a backup and copied all the partition to another harddrive. now linux can boot from this new partition, but I can't log in nor KDE as GNOME with my account (it loads then screen goes black and goes back to kdm_greet again. only with user root i can load the gui. any help please? |
| 08:43.15 | maher | Sysdrum: what chipset |
| 08:43.18 | deadcat | DarkPainter: tasksel dammit |
| 08:43.21 | esher | no :( |
| 08:43.37 | DarkPainter | tasksel...? |
| 08:43.38 | zakame_ | newie: use subversion |
| 08:43.45 | deadcat | DarkPainter: yes. run it dammit |
| 08:43.51 | DarkPainter | and thatll do? |
| 08:43.58 | DarkPainter | i will i just wondered |
| 08:44.16 | Sysdrum | cirrus 5465 total old school but it runs windows 2000 fine |
| 08:44.23 | maher | newie: can you log in aa user from the ocnsole |
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| 08:44.31 | newie | zakame: subversion: command not found |
| 08:44.53 | newie | maher: yes, from console there seems to be no problem |
| 08:44.58 | mac2612 | O.o DarkPainter you're back! |
| 08:45.01 | zakame_ | HAHAHA |
| 08:45.04 | maher | newie: look in kdm's log |
| 08:45.19 | DarkPainter | lol mac |
| 08:45.28 | zakame_ | would somebody please timeout zakame |
| 08:45.28 | DarkPainter | im on my windows machine =| |
| 08:45.46 | DarkPainter | i tried mandrake and it was worthless |
| 08:45.55 | mac2612 | what do you mean? |
| 08:45.55 | takatumi | zakame_: /msg nickserv ghost zakame <password> |
| 08:45.57 | DarkPainter | now i cant figure out how to get a gui installed lol... |
| 08:45.59 | DarkPainter | im hopeless =\ |
| 08:46.01 | Sysdrum | it is my old school it was the first computer I ever got that I could call my own so I want to keep around.. |
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| 08:46.06 | mac2612 | lol |
| 08:46.09 | zakame_ | takatumi: okies,thanks |
| 08:46.11 | deadcat | DarkPainter: go hang yourself. |
| 08:46.15 | DarkPainter | :'( |
| 08:46.19 | newie | maher: where can I find it? (newbie) |
| 08:46.22 | deadcat | DOIT! |
| 08:46.22 | DarkPainter | !hang darkpainter |
| 08:46.26 | mac2612 | deadcat that's rather mean |
| 08:46.27 | Azar | good day honorables, how can I change the apt sources to "unstable"? |
| 08:46.30 | maher | newie: /var/log |
| 08:46.39 | deadcat | mac2612: shut up or i will hang you too |
| 08:46.43 | DarkPainter | =( |
| 08:46.49 | mac2612 | you have fun trying deadcat |
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| 08:46.57 | deadcat | mac2612: shut up |
| 08:46.58 | zakame | ahh, that's better |
| 08:46.58 | mac2612 | better get to it before I hang myself |
| 08:47.24 | Sysdrum | I guess I am out of luck then? |
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| 08:48.07 | DarkPainter | alright i know its apt-get install gnome... but.. there was some other command line. like x-window-something |
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| 08:48.25 | DarkPainter | x-window-code? |
| 08:48.26 | mac2612 | darkpainter, it should install itself because of dependancies |
| 08:48.29 | deadcat | mac2612: i trag them on my car.. |
| 08:48.41 | zakame | thanks again, takatumi |
| 08:48.43 | Sysdrum | xserver-xfree86? |
| 08:48.44 | mac2612 | deadcat: interesting. www,peta2.com |
| 08:48.48 | valdyn | DarkPainter: apt-cache search x-window- |
| 08:48.51 | deadcat | mac2612: fuck'em hard. (= |
| 08:49.00 | zakame | good thing bittorrent's resumable... |
| 08:49.07 | takatumi | zakame: ;) |
| 08:49.08 | DarkPainter | not a bad idea, thanks valdyn |
| 08:49.14 | DarkPainter | lemme go mess with it, be back later |
| 08:49.22 | mac2612 | darkpainter, you're thinking of x-window-system, but if I'm not mistaken it should install itself |
| 08:49.55 | deadcat | DarkPainter: what the fuck. run tasksel dammit |
| 08:49.55 | zakame | xlibs? |
| 08:50.14 | DarkPainter | i would but i dont know what tasksel does... -__- |
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| 08:50.25 | ireverentReveren | what would i use to check if wlan0 is running in a script? |
| 08:50.27 | deadcat | DarkPainter: run and see. goddammit |
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| 08:50.33 | DarkPainter | fine |
| 08:50.34 | DarkPainter | later |
| 08:50.34 | mac2612 | darkpainter, tasksel is a helper for apt-get to install packages |
| 08:50.38 | deadcat | ireverentReveren: iwconfig |
| 08:50.38 | zakame | DarkPainter: it does what you want it to do, like bdsm... |
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| 08:50.45 | ireverentReveren | deadcat thank you |
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| 08:51.48 | Sysdrum | hey mehar am I just up a creek with the old girl? |
| 08:52.08 | BlacKnight| | maher: looks like cp -vaf should do the trick? |
| 08:52.11 | BlacKnight| | so what's wrong with dd? |
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| 08:52.44 | zakame | where's AdamW? |
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| 08:53.56 | NeoG | okay um, apt-get wont find anything.. ive got 4 sources in sources.list |
| 08:54.10 | deadcat | NeoG: you have non-us ? |
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| 08:54.19 | NeoG | deadcat: yeah |
| 08:54.19 | newie | maher: KIconLoader seems to be the problem, it can't find a lot of icon directories.. but why can I load in as root then? how can I fix this? |
| 08:54.26 | deadcat | NeoG: what you looking for? |
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| 08:54.47 | NeoG | deadcat: kernel-source-2.6.10 and module-init-tools |
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| 08:54.57 | Sysdrum | I think maher left |
| 08:54.57 | deadcat | NeoG: you on woody? |
| 08:55.03 | NeoG | deadcat: seems so |
| 08:55.12 | deadcat | maher is on a restroom break |
| 08:55.18 | deadcat | NeoG: then you dont hvae those |
| 08:55.36 | Sysdrum | oh.. |
| 08:55.37 | empop | any particular reason gluck, alioth, etc are down? |
| 08:55.42 | NeoG | deadcat: dont have as in cant ever get? :| |
| 08:55.42 | deadcat | NeoG: is it a production server? |
| 08:55.48 | NeoG | deadcat: just a toy |
| 08:55.58 | deadcat | NeoG: then go testing or unstable. |
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| 08:56.30 | deadcat | NeoG: you can but not straight from debian. apt-get.org or backports.org has those for woody. |
| 08:56.46 | NeoG | deadcat: hmm thanks i'll check it out |
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| 08:57.04 | deadcat | NeoG: if its a toy you should use testing or unstable anyway |
| 08:57.10 | Pancakemuffin | NeoG: same problem as me, thanks for solution... |
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| 08:57.20 | drac | heh |
| 08:57.28 | raid5 | deadcat: do you normally do netinstalls yer? |
| 08:57.42 | deadcat | raid5: hell no. i hate the new installer. i do woody then to sid |
| 08:57.53 | raid5 | which iso do you use? the official 2.2 one? |
| 08:57.59 | empop | lol |
| 08:58.10 | raid5 | deadcat, same here i use the new installer too :( |
| 08:58.11 | deadcat | raid5: the 3.0 woody netinstall. 10MB |
| 08:58.37 | raid5 | deadcat, but doesnt that hav the 2.2 kernel? or some old 2.4? |
| 08:58.51 | deadcat | raid5: what doesnt have? |
| 08:59.10 | epsilon | woody can up to 2.4 |
| 08:59.11 | raid5 | deadcat, the woody netinstall |
| 08:59.35 | Sysdrum | hey does have a emb version? |
| 08:59.35 | deadcat | raid5: ya it does. woody install uses 2.2 or bf24 |
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| 08:59.44 | Sysdrum | oops |
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| 08:59.47 | yacoob | Greetings. |
| 08:59.51 | empop | I don't believe there are any official netinstalls for woody, but the one I have used uses 2.4.22 |
| 09:00.04 | Sysdrum | does debian have a embedded version? |
| 09:00.08 | yacoob | xmms freezes playing music while scrolling in gvim - have anyone encountered that? |
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| 09:00.15 | raid5 | deadcat, yer thats the prob...wish it had a slight better kernel :( 2.6 with firewire support for cdroms n stuff |
| 09:00.29 | drac | yacoob: BTS |
| 09:00.30 | yacoob | I've tried other players - no problems, tried xmms with 'clean config' - freezing |
| 09:00.34 | newie | zakame: maher has quit, an U help me further? |
| 09:00.35 | zakame | yehey? my torrent's complete! |
| 09:00.40 | epsilon | raid5: get sarge or some backport on woody and run 2.6 |
| 09:00.59 | netsplit | !u |
| 09:00.59 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 09:01.32 | raid5 | epsilon, its not that easy...on my Sonly VAIO laptop..to install debian via cdrom i need firewire drivers... |
| 09:02.02 | zakame | newie: i'll try. what's the prob again? |
| 09:02.26 | epsilon | raid5: what drives does it have? |
| 09:02.34 | takatumi | Sysdrum: /msg dpkg emdebian |
| 09:02.44 | yacoob | drac: a lots of bugs there (well, xmms is mostly unmaintanted :), but frankly speaking, I do not see anything similar... |
| 09:02.57 | raid5 | it has a cdrom (on the docking station) which is connected via FIREWIRE |
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| 09:03.14 | raid5 | i can get it to work..but need firewire drivers.. |
| 09:03.24 | raid5 | which woody netinstall doesnt hav |
| 09:03.27 | kerneld | deadcat: Cheers for the tip. |
| 09:03.36 | deadcat | kerneld: which tip? |
| 09:03.44 | raid5 | what is your fav command? |
| 09:03.45 | epsilon | raid5: then get sarge |
| 09:03.49 | empop | http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies/cvs/ I believe is the one I used with a 2.4.22 kernel, but can't get to it now cause the server is down |
| 09:04.03 | epsilon | raid5: there is no need of woody on laptop |
| 09:04.05 | deadcat | raid5: exit ? |
| 09:04.08 | brimstone | where can i find the source that was used in the debian version of samba or the ./configure line? i need to tweak smbstatus for my program |
| 09:04.36 | valdyn | brimstone: apt-get source samba |
| 09:04.44 | brimstone | thank you valdyn |
| 09:04.50 | raid5 | deadcat, :p |
| 09:04.54 | epsilon | brimstone: apt-get source samba, ./configure --help |
| 09:04.55 | yacoob | heh, after recompilling for i686, works fine :E |
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| 09:05.05 | deadcat | raid5: actually i run clear alot |
| 09:06.10 | raid5 | deadcat, how is your browsing experience like? does firefox render all MS fonts nicely? |
| 09:06.40 | newie | zakame: thx! I cp the entire linux partition to another HD, from which I can boot now, but not login in kde or gnomw with my old account, only as root i can. in a bash I can log in properly. trying to log in, KDE_greet turns screen black and goes to the greeter again. had a look in /var/log/kdm.log and KIconLoader tells a lot of warnings like "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group/16x16/stock not walid" but again as root I can log in.. ?-/ |
| 09:06.41 | Sysdrum | takatumi: where do i get it to set it up on a system? |
| 09:07.13 | yacoob | newie: chances are, you messed up access right with 'cp' command |
| 09:07.20 | yacoob | newie: how did you use it? |
| 09:07.52 | zakame | newie: the prob is in your copy. where did the copy came from? what /dev? |
| 09:08.08 | deadcat | inetd: how do i know which is ms fonts? |
| 09:08.17 | kerneld | deadcat: tip to ask bob2 |
| 09:08.21 | takatumi | Sysdrum: no idea. |
| 09:08.36 | zakame | when teh fonts read microsoft? |
| 09:08.44 | deadcat | kerneld: oh ya. he got his ibook working real fine last time i checked |
| 09:09.00 | valdyn | deadcat: cd /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ |
| 09:09.01 | deadcat | he has a g4 as well. |
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| 09:09.11 | deadcat | valdyn: oh. i dont install that. (= |
| 09:09.12 | newie | yacob: mmh if I remember correctly like this: cp --copy-contents -fpru /samsungold/ |
| 09:09.17 | inetd | deadcat, no, like when you normally visit a site...do you use the fonts defined on the page..or you use custom fonts? |
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| 09:09.45 | newie | yacob: sorry pressed enter... /maxtor/ |
| 09:09.48 | deadcat | inetd: i use default fonts. on the desktop is fine. but something on the laptop fonts are huge. no clue |
| 09:09.52 | zakame | newie: so you just copied... did you modify anything in your copy before going further? |
| 09:10.05 | deadcat | inetd: kinna like xine/gdm fonts on my laptop. huge as heck |
| 09:10.24 | Sysdrum | takatumi: but there is one does it only use a shell command system or can it be GUI like server 2003 embedded? |
| 09:10.34 | kerneld | http://a1204.g.akamai.net/7/1204/1401/04060316011/images.barnesandnoble.com/images/7800000/7807574.jpg << Penguins |
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| 09:11.05 | yacoob | newie: hm, it should be ok then (but still, copying whole partitions are tasks better left to other tools ;) |
| 09:11.13 | newie | zakame, yacoob: no if I remember it was as I wrote it here. after the copy I just modified the /etc/fstab on the new HD (maxtor) |
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| 09:11.40 | takatumi | Sysdrum: haven't tried it or read about it, read the docs and info on http://www.emdebian.org, check CVS, google etc. |
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| 09:11.43 | deadcat | kerneld: those penguins sucks |
| 09:11.47 | inetd | deadcat, yer i had that problem too 1nce...hav you tried lowing down the dpi? |
| 09:11.48 | paulswm | yacoob: cp -ax has always worked well for me when duping filesystems, including root filesystem |
| 09:11.58 | zakame | newie: just fstab. did you check if the entries are correct? |
| 09:12.08 | viyyer | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9vff5469.html |
| 09:12.13 | Sysdrum | newie: ghost 8.0 work wonder in partion copying under linux |
| 09:12.17 | yacoob | paulswm: well, in above example, do you think that --copy-contents made any good for /dev ? :)) |
| 09:12.20 | deadcat | inetd: dpi? how i do that? |
| 09:12.21 | zakame | paulswm: true, so did I |
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| 09:12.34 | kerneld | deadcat: How come? |
| 09:12.40 | viyyer | my apt-get install doesn't work.. apt-get -f install gives this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/9vff5469.html |
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| 09:12.52 | yacoob | i'm not saying that it is impossible, just that one has to be careful with parameters ;D |
| 09:12.54 | viyyer | can any one figure what this means ? |
| 09:12.59 | inetd | deadcat, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 09:13.00 | deadcat | kerneld: i thought penguins look like tux (= |
| 09:13.07 | inetd | deadcat, exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 75 -nolisten tcp |
| 09:13.17 | newie | Sysdrum: where can I find it? |
| 09:13.18 | valdyn | deadcat: ok.. xlsfonts | grep "^\-microsoft" |
| 09:13.23 | inetd | deadcat, in the xserverrc file change the -dpi 100 to -dpi 75 |
| 09:13.29 | deadcat | inetd: oh. i guess i am on 60. dpi == refresh rate? |
| 09:13.30 | paulswm | yacoob: I don't know what he really did, all I'm saying is that cp -ax works fine |
| 09:13.31 | Sysdrum | takatumi: thanks I will do that..well doing that as nevermind well thanks.. |
| 09:13.40 | kerneld | s/has/had/ |
| 09:13.52 | zakame | newie: so far you could login to a vt safely, but not to X... |
| 09:13.59 | inetd | deadcat, not refresh rate...font size...75dpi |
| 09:14.07 | deadcat | valdyn: microsoft-vixar asci-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso10646-1 and one more |
| 09:14.07 | inetd | deadcat, default is 100dpi |
| 09:14.11 | newie | zakame: the entries are correct,checked twice. it load without problems only the log in in the GUI sems not to work |
| 09:14.40 | valdyn | inetd: default was 75 for me |
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| 09:14.48 | zakame | newie: did you check you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 09:15.05 | deadcat | inetd: should i set that before 100dpi in XF86Config-4? |
| 09:15.12 | newie | zakame: yes, as cc (user name) I can log in from a bash and even "vi <text file>" |
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| 09:15.39 | Sysdrum | newie:I bought mine best investment i ever made in software. ghosting saves lives and money. besides changing to linux. |
| 09:16.38 | zakame | newie: so there lies the prob, in X. could it be a bad copy? |
| 09:17.10 | newie | zakame: how can I know? ?-) |
| 09:17.23 | valdyn | deadcat: some fonts offered by ms are really by monotype though, so you can add that query |
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| 09:17.44 | deadcat | oh |
| 09:17.48 | inetd | deadcat, make sure you got 75dpi fonts loaded FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ |
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| 09:18.05 | inetd | deadcat, check in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:18.06 | zakame | newie: true enough, how can you know? best way is to copy again, or use a different technique, like version control... |
| 09:18.06 | valdyn | deadcat: arial,andale,times new roman etc |
| 09:18.34 | inetd | deadcat, infact b4 you change the xserverrc you do a test by startx -dpi 75 |
| 09:18.37 | newie | Sysdrum: :-)) but I have to fix the prob now because I have to give the other HD away.. |
| 09:19.17 | deadcat | inetd: ok. i do have 75dpi. the last FontPath on the list |
| 09:19.32 | newie | zakame: mmh..what is version control (newbie) and if I copy again, where the arguments of copy ok? |
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| 09:19.46 | inetd | deadcat, thats all good then. fire up X with -dpi 75 see if it loads with smaller fonts :) |
| 09:19.47 | Thaiger | I keep trying to kill a process but it won't die, how do I kill it? |
| 09:19.48 | paulswm | newie: do it all over, copy your filesystems using cp -ax, edit your fstab, etc, I've done this dozens of times with no problems |
| 09:20.11 | valdyn | Thaiger: kill its parent |
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| 09:20.53 | viyyer | my apt-get install doesn't work.. apt-get -f install gives this error http://rafb.net/paste/results/9vff5469.html . any solutions ? |
| 09:21.16 | Thaiger | valdyn: How do I do that? |
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| 09:21.48 | valdyn | Thaiger: trye pstree to find out what the parent is |
| 09:22.00 | hettar | anyone know how you can determine the virutal terminal you are on in a script ? |
| 09:22.03 | deadcat | inetd: you just fixed one of my ibook problem (= love you baby |
| 09:22.12 | kjoonlee | viyyer: uninstall knx-alsa first? |
| 09:22.18 | paulswm | Sysdrum: if you need to save/restore/resize htfs partitions, take a look at ntfsclone and ntfsresize (in the ntfsptogs pkg), very good, I've done resizing and reimaging with them, work great |
| 09:22.21 | deadcat | inetd: now how do i get that to work in xf86config? |
| 09:22.25 | deadcat | file |
| 09:22.29 | paulswm | s/ptogs/progs/ |
| 09:22.43 | paulswm | s/htfs/ntfs/ |
| 09:23.08 | deadcat | inetd: when it comes to fonts. i have no clue. just know how to make them bigger in .gtkrc* and art-wiz |
| 09:23.14 | newie | paulswm: ok. I will try to copy it now again. Is it better to load linux from another partition so that the ones to copy have no open files or does it not matter? (I mean should I boot from the spare partition in order to copy from one to onother) |
| 09:23.26 | viyyer | kjoonlee, tried doing so .. but.. not very successful |
| 09:23.29 | deadcat | paulswm: girl you better regconize |
| 09:23.58 | inetd | deadcat, np :) just edit the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc and set 75 dpi there |
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| 09:24.10 | deadcat | inetd: not XF86Config-4? |
| 09:24.14 | paulswm | newie: I make sure a filesystem is not being used before copying, for root filesystem I therefore go to single user |
| 09:24.16 | inetd | deadcat, nope |
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| 09:24.28 | deadcat | o |
| 09:24.29 | paulswm | newie: for /var I mean |
| 09:25.50 | deadcat | inetd: damn aint no body told me this before!. )= |
| 09:26.06 | deadcat | let me restart my gdm on the ibook hehe |
| 09:26.32 | inetd | deadcat, hehe...you probly didnt ask the right ppl :p |
| 09:26.39 | newie | paulswm: that's to high for me! :-) don't know how to switch to single user, so I better boot again. luckyly I'm online with onother compy so may I ask you I I get stuck? :-) |
| 09:27.16 | Azar | deadcat, at installation of Debian the aptitude screen did not gave me options for "stable"/ "unstable" sources, how do I change that? |
| 09:27.35 | paulswm | newie: to go to single user, log in to a console as root and do 'telinit 1' |
| 09:27.43 | Azar | just manually edit the sources file? |
| 09:27.43 | newie | zakame: thx for your help. I'll try to cp again. what is that thing with version control? |
| 09:27.54 | deadcat | inetd: gdm doest seem to use it. |
| 09:28.12 | viyyer | kjoonlee, http://rafb.net/paste/results/GV8GNW62.html |
| 09:28.22 | Herodes | anyone uses mldonkey here?. I am behind a router...and seen to have problems with LOID. i think i have my firewall right. |
| 09:28.27 | deadcat | Azar: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change all stable to unstable or testing to unstable. then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:28.38 | inetd | deadcat, well X settings should affect gdm |
| 09:28.50 | Azar | thanks a lot deadcat |
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| 09:29.02 | valdyn | Herodes: if you are having problems with loid then your firewall isnt right |
| 09:29.25 | Herodes | valdyn, can anybody help me with it? |
| 09:29.41 | kjoonlee | viyyer: apt-get -f install alsa-utils |
| 09:29.55 | Herodes | valdyn, firewall --->http://pastebin.com/234843 |
| 09:29.59 | kjoonlee | viyyer: apt-get -f install alsa-utils knx-alsa- |
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| 09:31.51 | valdyn | Herodes: i cant fix that firewall script for you, but its certainly broken, you just do not want to nat incoming packets to the edonkey ports |
| 09:32.45 | Herodes | valdyn, i dont unduerestand you.. |
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| 09:33.32 | valdyn | Herodes: nat isnt part of getting incoming packets on certain ports to the port of your choice |
| 09:33.44 | valdyn | Herodes: nat isnt part of getting incoming packets on certain ports to the port/box of your choice |
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| 09:34.52 | valdyn | Herodes: try in #iptables, im not good with that |
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| 09:35.07 | Herodes | um.,, |
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| 09:35.56 | valdyn | Herodes: and what i said above is probably false, brainfart |
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| 09:36.49 | paulswm | newie: I'm going to take a nap for a bit, got paged at 02:00 is now 04:36 here, prolly be back in a couple hours, sooner if I can't sleep |
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| 09:37.00 | deadcat | inetd: the -dpi 75 works fine for users dont have .xsession but for me its not working right |
| 09:37.15 | Phated | paulswm: Sleep, dude. 's not good to stay up late. (noting great irony) |
| 09:37.41 | valdyn | deadcat: how are you starting X? gdm? kdm? |
| 09:38.09 | deadcat | valdyn: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 09:38.38 | valdyn | deadcat: add "-dpi <whatever>" at where X is started in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 09:38.39 | paulswm | Phated: Hi :D - prolly can't sleep now, it's past my normal getting-up time of 04:00 and I've been drinking Cokes :( |
| 09:39.02 | deadcat | valdyn: oh. |
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| 09:39.04 | Phated | paulswm: Tsk, tsk. |
| 09:39.17 | viyyer | kjoonlee, http://rafb.net/paste/results/JElAYc81.html :( no success |
| 09:39.33 | paulswm | Phated: I just love being on call |
| 09:39.44 | Phated | paulswm: Don'tcha just. |
| 09:39.55 | valdyn | deadcat: search for "# Definition of the standard X server." in that file, add it at the line starting w/ "command=" below that |
| 09:40.02 | Sysdrum | on call for what? |
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| 09:40.16 | Phated | paulswm: If it helps, my foot is in agony right now. Stinging like a bitch because of some wacko lotion. |
| 09:40.27 | deadcat | valdyn: ya. no luck |
| 09:41.11 | valdyn | deadcat: what "no luck" ? dpi 75 is default for X |
| 09:41.12 | deadcat | valdyn: ok. wrong line heheh |
| 09:41.20 | deadcat | valdyn: did it to the server line |
| 09:41.20 | paulswm | Sysdrum: a couple of my employer's systems |
| 09:41.37 | paulswm | !beat Phated's doctor |
| 09:41.42 | Phated | Thank you. |
| 09:42.02 | paulswm | Phated: any time, heh |
| 09:42.14 | deadcat | valdyn: inetd|away thats what i am talking about (= |
| 09:42.27 | Phated | paulswm: And he didn't even warn me it would hurt. :/ |
| 09:42.28 | deadcat | finally got the damn fonts fix for the ibook |
| 09:42.33 | deadcat | thanks valdyn |
| 09:42.42 | Sysdrum | paulswm:cool I will get me one of thous jobs so day. |
| 09:42.50 | Phated | Heh, speaking of iBooks, my mom wants one now. |
| 09:43.26 | paulswm | Phated: sorry about your foot, though. |
| 09:43.30 | Sysdrum | *some day over the rainbow. |
| 09:43.48 | Phated | paulswm: No worries. Imma tough grrl. :) |
| 09:44.09 | paulswm | Phated: my experience with doctors: "You may feel some discomfort" == "This is going to hurt like hell" |
| 09:44.19 | Phated | paulswm: He said -nothing-, NOTHING! :) |
| 09:44.42 | Phated | "Just apply this after you soak it for about five minutes." The soak was nice. The lotion... Fuuuuuck. |
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| 09:45.09 | numist | is there a way to verify the download of any of the net installs? |
| 09:45.10 | paulswm | Phated: the brown fumes coming out of the jar and drifting down to the floor should have been a clue, heh |
| 09:45.13 | numist | like a list of md5sums? |
| 09:45.28 | Phated | paulswm: No fumes, nothing! It was... -totally- unawares. :) |
| 09:45.28 | Sysdrum | *girls linux* oh god I think I need a doctor. |
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| 09:45.36 | Phated | Eh, WTF. |
| 09:45.52 | Phated | numist: There's an md5sum off the place you got them, look in the download dir, |
| 09:46.09 | numist | Phated: I got them from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, not from ftp |
| 09:46.18 | Phated | numist: Hold one moment. :) |
| 09:46.22 | numist | thanks |
| 09:46.24 | juan | what's the problem with apt-get & gpg? |
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| 09:46.46 | Phated | Ehhh. d.o seems slower than usual... |
| 09:46.47 | paulswm | Sysdrum: not so cool when you've been the sole oncall 7*24 for two years, although it is a good motivator for eliminating bugs |
| 09:48.02 | cahoot | paulswm: you don't have any laws regulating working hours? |
| 09:48.04 | Phated | numist: Take the path to the .iso file, take off the filename, and you get a dir. Inside that dir there is a file named MD5SUMS. :) |
| 09:48.53 | Sysdrum | Paulswm: oh. but you still love computers right? |
| 09:49.09 | Phated | Sysdrum: He's on #debian. Says enough. :) |
| 09:49.23 | kjoonlee | viyyer: apt-get -f install knx-alsa- alsa-utils |
| 09:49.26 | paulswm | Sysdrum: I was bitten by the programming bug in 1968 and it hasn't diminished |
| 09:49.38 | numist | thanks Phated, apparently it was crap on the burned disk |
| 09:49.46 | Sysdrum | phated:true but well nevermind |
| 09:49.58 | Phated | numist: Ah. :) |
| 09:50.03 | Phated | Sysdrum: :) |
| 09:50.24 | Phated | Sysdrum: Forgive me, but how does "girls linux" make you require a doctor? |
| 09:50.40 | paulswm | cahoot: I'm OK with my job and workload |
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| 09:51.04 | juan | wcb: GPG error: http://ftp.fr.debian.org sid Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 09:51.51 | paulswm | afk for a while *right now* |
| 09:52.00 | Sysdrum | Well see girls my age that i know hate computers. and cry if they break a sweet clicking the mouse wrong. |
| 09:52.16 | Phated | And your age is...? |
| 09:52.32 | vulture | Sysdrum: then you haven't been looking in the right places for girls to know |
| 09:52.33 | vulture | :) |
| 09:52.45 | newie | paulswm: I copying. have a nice sleep! thanx :-) |
| 09:52.54 | Sysdrum | phated: I am the great young age of 20. |
| 09:53.06 | Phated | Sysdrum: That ain't young. |
| 09:53.22 | Sysdrum | phated: can't remeber before the inernet |
| 09:53.25 | vulture | youngin' |
| 09:53.51 | Sysdrum | phated you younger then me? |
| 09:53.55 | Phated | Sysdrum: Yes. |
| 09:54.00 | mac2612 | there was a time before the internet!? |
| 09:54.01 | Gnea | you are all kids! |
| 09:54.01 | Sysdrum | what???? |
| 09:54.15 | vulture | Phated: you managed to deal with the fact that I changed from "The_Vulture" to "vulture"? - most of the universe seems to think of it as cataclysmic.. |
| 09:54.19 | Phated | Sysdrum: What what? |
| 09:54.30 | Phated | vulture: It's not like you switched species. :) |
| 09:54.35 | vulture | Phated: indeed |
| 09:55.00 | vulture | although I have been "The_Chicken" and "The_Phoenix" at times |
| 09:55.02 | Phated | :) |
| 09:55.02 | Sysdrum | Phated:WOW |
| 09:55.04 | Gnea | ok, so i want to install a newer version of a package but the old version has a 1: in front of the version info so the system thinks that the old one is the new one - anyway i can tell apt-get to get bent? |
| 09:55.20 | Gnea | it's e17 |
| 09:55.40 | viyyer | kjoonlee, no success |
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| 09:55.47 | Phated | Sysdrum: Wow what? |
| 09:55.50 | KimHansen | of the 15 Sarge CD's I still only need the first one to do an install? |
| 09:56.11 | kjoonlee | KimHansen: You only need two floppy disks if you do a network install. |
| 09:56.25 | Gnea | who uses floppies anymore? :P |
| 09:56.29 | kjoonlee | KimHansen: or a single mini-cd |
| 09:56.34 | Phated | KimHansen: The first CD, yes. |
| 09:56.36 | Sysdrum | phated what is your age might I ask scence you know mine? |
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| 09:56.42 | Phated | Sysdrum: 17 this september. |
| 09:56.50 | KimHansen | this computer doesn't even have a floppy drive |
| 09:56.57 | vulture | Gnea: not me.. I took my FDD out.. conflicted with my aesthetic sense (aluminium case issues) |
| 09:57.05 | Gnea | KimHansen: yeah, first cd should be good enough |
| 09:57.13 | Gnea | vulture: me too |
| 09:57.17 | Phated | vulture: You've always gone back to good ol' vulture though. Must say I like The_Vulture better, but it's your nick. :) |
| 09:57.18 | kjoonlee | viyyer: Well, then have no idea. |
| 09:57.21 | Sysdrum | phated: geez i have a compter that is older then |
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| 09:57.27 | KimHansen | ok, i'll start the download... |
| 09:57.28 | Phated | Sysdrum: Yeah, so? :) |
| 09:57.29 | kjoonlee | viyyer: *I have no idea, I meant |
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| 09:57.40 | Gnea | Phated: dang i thought you were like older than that.. pfft, yer just a kid ;) |
| 09:57.50 | Sysdrum | phated :nothing sorry. |
| 09:57.53 | Phated | Gnea: You old, man. :) |
| 09:57.56 | vulture | Phated: hehe, interesting to hear different opinions. (it's kind of like when I grew (and then a year later, removed) a beard..) |
| 09:58.00 | Phated | Sysdrum: Pffft, no worries. |
| 09:58.02 | Gnea | Phated: and don't you forget it :) |
| 09:58.08 | vulture | Phated: any verbalisable reason for your preference? |
| 09:58.09 | Phated | vulture: Haha. No beard, no beard! |
| 09:58.11 | numist | yo Gnea |
| 09:58.15 | viyyer | kjoonlee, what all will get affected if I force remove knx-alsa |
| 09:58.18 | Gnea | numist: yoyo |
| 09:58.28 | kjoonlee | viyyer: I don't know. |
| 09:58.32 | Phated | vulture: Looked cooler. It's like... "The_Godfather" 'stead of "Godfather", you know? |
| 09:58.37 | Gnea | numist: do you know how to get apt-get to tell a package to get bent and install the one i want? |
| 09:58.44 | KimHansen | Can you reach http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ? |
| 09:58.45 | Phated | Gnea: No sirree, no. :) |
| 09:58.46 | vulture | Phated: http://skye.shacknet.nu/~vulture/me.jbg (before) http://skye.shacknet.nu/~vulture/cam.jpg (after) |
| 09:58.51 | Phated | vulture: Hee. |
| 09:58.54 | numist | gnea: fraid not.. when it comes to that I install from source |
| 09:59.05 | kjoonlee | KimHansen: alioth is down at the moment, AFAIK |
| 09:59.09 | KimHansen | ok |
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| 09:59.18 | Gnea | numist: that's what i'm trying to avoid for the moment |
| 09:59.29 | fatal_ | I'm looking for a guide on how to multiple binary packages from a single source.... are there any followups to the awesome new maintainer guide? |
| 09:59.32 | KimHansen | oh, its at the end of the topic |
| 09:59.34 | Phated | vulture: Definitely no beard. :) |
| 09:59.36 | vulture | Phated: I've always been a minimalist at heart, so this suits me better I think - you should see my home directory, all sorted, etc.. :) |
| 09:59.38 | numist | Gnea: sorry then... |
| 09:59.45 | vulture | Phated: hehe |
| 10:00.01 | kjoonlee | Gnea: dpkg --force could help, I think. But you need to be careful, I suppose. |
| 10:00.04 | Phated | vulture: Know what you mean. My homedir is nothing but dirs. If I make I file, I classify it as soon as I'm done with it. :) |
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| 10:00.17 | Gnea | kjoonlee: no see, that won't download the .deb |
| 10:00.29 | Gnea | i need to tell apt-get to *DOWNLOAD* it |
| 10:00.39 | Gnea | there are quite a few involved |
| 10:00.42 | Sysdrum | phated : how long have you been using linux? |
| 10:00.45 | kjoonlee | Gnea: Ah. |
| 10:00.55 | Phated | Gnea: There's apt-get -d or --download or something. Man apt-get. |
| 10:00.57 | Gnea | kinda makes the whole idea of having a debian repo useless if i d/l'd each one |
| 10:01.00 | Phated | Sysdrum: Since June last year. |
| 10:01.10 | Gnea | Phated: been there, done that - this goes deeper |
| 10:01.16 | Phated | Gnea: Ah. My bad. :) |
| 10:01.30 | Gnea | look, here's the deb line: deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/ |
| 10:01.36 | Gnea | it's for e17 |
| 10:01.49 | vulture | *tap-tap-tap* |
| 10:02.00 | Phated | Well, off to pillage an old computer and trade drives... Muahaha. |
| 10:02.07 | peterS | vulture: if everyone does, you are obligated to make an icecast stream of it and let us all listen |
| 10:02.13 | vulture | peterS: touche |
| 10:02.19 | Phated | Heh. Go peterS go. :) |
| 10:02.29 | numist | Gnea: I do recall the -d flag working for a friend of mine |
| 10:02.37 | peterS | Phated: hey, I just show up here and 10 seconds later someone's already telling me to go (: |
| 10:02.42 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 10:02.51 | Phated | Gnea: apt-get update yet? :) |
| 10:02.53 | numist | Gnea: he used apt-get -fud, he thought it was funny as hell |
| 10:03.01 | inetd|away | deadcat, how did it go? |
| 10:03.10 | numist | Gnea: try -d or --download-only |
| 10:03.10 | peterS | hey, I could use some fud |
| 10:03.12 | Phated | numist: apt-get -duff? :) |
| 10:03.23 | vulture | peterS: I don't really have the bandwidth, but just for shits-n-giggles: icecast-server and xmms-liveice? |
| 10:03.23 | Gnea | no that simply does not work. |
| 10:03.26 | numist | Phated: no, he was thinking along the lines of Microsoft FUD, you know |
| 10:03.31 | Gnea | see |
| 10:03.36 | peterS | vulture: I have never played with streaming audio, actually |
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| 10:03.39 | Phated | numist: Yeah, true. I was thinking beer. :) |
| 10:03.40 | Gnea | ljlane is the package maintainer for E |
| 10:03.52 | Gnea | and he put a 1: in front of the version |
| 10:03.53 | numist | Phated: yes, not to say I dont reallly like your thinking |
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| 10:04.04 | usuario | olaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:04.15 | peterS | usuario: in English, please |
| 10:04.15 | Phated | numist: Ah, fair enough. I see how -fud works, though. :) |
| 10:04.17 | vulture | peterS: I tried to play with it once, to see if I could get good audio across my computer and my sisters, but it wasn't well synced (livecast et al aren't designed for that sort of task, not sure if there's any OSS that does it) |
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| 10:04.24 | Gnea | this makes it nearly impossible to use these debs out of the repo it would seem |
| 10:04.25 | Phated | peterS: Helloooooooooo? :) |
| 10:04.30 | peterS | Phated: yes. |
| 10:04.35 | Phated | Hee. |
| 10:05.09 | peterS | vulture: yeah, I expect there'd be some processing latency, to say nothing of the network latency |
| 10:05.24 | usuario | olaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:05.46 | peterS | usuario: do you have anything Debian-related to discuss? in English? |
| 10:05.48 | Phated | Aaaargh, my ISP is going to start providing 6500kpbs down. |
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| 10:06.10 | Phated | Oooh, and 384 kbps up. |
| 10:06.19 | peterS | Phated: that merits "aaaargh"? |
| 10:07.33 | benjamindees | perhaps it's "aaaargh" as in "avast ye mateys, copyrighted material abounds" |
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| 10:08.05 | peterS | benjamindees: that's what software pirates say? |
| 10:08.22 | benjamindees | peterS, I'm grasping here... |
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| 10:08.27 | vulture | peterS: yeah, granted. But these days there are all these wireless home network audio solutions, some deliberately designed to have multiple output locations connected wirelessly, so I imagine someone's figured out some reasonably workable synchronization |
| 10:08.28 | SirChojin | hello |
| 10:08.31 | vulture | perhaps they haven't |
| 10:09.19 | peterS | vulture: certainly if you're broadcasting audio to two speakers within audio range of each other, and they're more than a few milliseconds apart, it'll be pretty obvious to the listener |
| 10:10.05 | ShadowJK | i dont see why sync by wire is anymore difficult than sync by air.. |
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| 10:10.22 | cristi | hay alguien conectado?????????' |
| 10:10.23 | Sysdrum | wireless.. |
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| 10:10.45 | ShadowJK | well |
| 10:10.47 | peterS | ShadowJK: indeed, unless you have QoS issues with your wireless |
| 10:11.00 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't pump sound over TCP/IP or any packet based thing :-) |
| 10:11.02 | cristi | hello |
| 10:11.04 | Sysdrum | you loss packets with wireless |
| 10:11.11 | cristi | bye |
| 10:11.15 | peterS | ShadowJK: it'd go just fine over ATM. all your telephone calls do, after all |
| 10:11.36 | ShadowJK | The simpler the better in this case :-) |
| 10:11.38 | Sysdrum | yes. but. voice over ip is better. |
| 10:12.02 | peterS | Sysdrum: more featureful, perhaps. but not more reliable |
| 10:12.29 | ShadowJK | Definitely not reliable :-) |
| 10:12.44 | Sysdrum | well the nortel wireless systems are very stable. |
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| 10:12.58 | Sysdrum | I know i use one here at home. |
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| 10:13.22 | peterS | ShadowJK: someone blogged recently about having to set up a computer with a modem, at his home, where he has a VoIP phone. kind of interesting running a modem signal over VoIP (: |
| 10:14.04 | vulture | ShadowJK: I didn't mean to imply it was any easier or harder to do wirelessly. Just that doing it at all over a digital system, etc.. |
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| 10:14.21 | peterS | vulture: btw, what happened to The? |
| 10:14.24 | smace | hello |
| 10:14.33 | Sysdrum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.54 | vulture | Phated: see what I mean? |
| 10:15.17 | peterS | vulture: I was gonna ask you a couple of nights ago but forgot |
| 10:15.17 | vulture | peterS: didn't need it, only had it because I couldn't get vulture first time 'round - checked recently and found this nick unregistered, so I grabbed it |
| 10:15.19 | deadcat | inetd|away: its working good. fixing some bug on my .xsession |
| 10:15.21 | ShadowJK | For synchronizing audio you get the problem that you probably built your wireless network out of consumer crap, and you have some random crap cards in your machines, which of course are of different spec, and have random crap sound cards, different in all cases. That's when it gets near impossible to have any audio synchronized... |
| 10:15.38 | vulture | peterS: made a vague attempt at icecasting from xmms and got this: |
| 10:15.39 | vulture | [29/Jan/2005:21:14:36] [4:Connection Handler] Kicking unknown 0 [skye] [Stupid headers], connected for 0 seconds |
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| 10:15.42 | vulture | yaynees |
| 10:15.45 | vulture | s/ees/ess/ |
| 10:15.48 | deadcat | inetd|away: can i put -dpi 75 in my .xsession file ? |
| 10:15.51 | peterS | hehe |
| 10:16.26 | Twitching_Fool | im using gcc3.3.5, is there a way i can instal gcc2.95 as well? but still have gcc used by ./configure/make by default? |
| 10:16.42 | peterS | deadcat: you normally put your monitor's physical resolution in your XF86Config-4 file, in the Section "Monitor" |
| 10:16.54 | Sysdrum | well if that is hisor her case then they are up a creek. wireless voice has to have the same specs on both ends to work right |
| 10:16.56 | inetd|away | deadcat, umm well what you could do is remove the 100dpi fonts from loading |
| 10:17.08 | deadcat | peterS: thats what i was hoping to do. |
| 10:17.08 | peterS | deadcat: assuming it's not auto-detected, as it is with many modern video card / monitor combinations |
| 10:17.09 | vulture | Twitching_Fool: have which gcc used by default? |
| 10:17.24 | inetd|away | deadcat, in .xsession you can do xset -fp /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/ |
| 10:17.25 | vulture | Twitching_Fool: sure you can have both installed.. |
| 10:17.27 | Twitching_Fool | vulture: the newest, gcc3 |
| 10:17.31 | deadcat | peterS: no. i did a woody install on the ibook |
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| 10:17.37 | inetd|away | deadcat, so it removes the 100dpi fonts :) |
| 10:17.40 | Twitching_Fool | so which one gets used by default if you can have both installed? |
| 10:17.42 | deadcat | inetd|away: i see. |
| 10:17.47 | vulture | Twitching_Fool: that'll be the default if you install the gcc and gcc-2.95 packages.. |
| 10:17.59 | Twitching_Fool | ok :> |
| 10:18.03 | vulture | Twitching_Fool: the "gcc" package has /usr/bin/gcc symlink in it which points to gcc-3.3 |
| 10:18.09 | peterS | deadcat: if you just want to use a particular set of fonts, you can edit *that* by commenting out or removing a FontPath line in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 10:18.28 | deadcat | peterS: ok |
| 10:18.40 | deadcat | peterS: let me try xset -fp on the mofo first (= |
| 10:18.44 | DebUser | Is there a codec for Linux can that replace indeo? |
| 10:18.47 | peterS | well, there's also that |
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| 10:20.31 | p3|0n | im wondering, how do i make so my debian wont start the X login console when i turn the comp on, i just want it to start to the terminal |
| 10:20.41 | p3|0n | any1 got a suggestion? |
| 10:20.42 | Phated | vulture: Eh? |
| 10:20.45 | DebUser | p3|0n, edit inittab |
| 10:20.47 | caphuso | p3|0n: apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm gdm pdm login.app |
| 10:20.49 | caphuso | DebUser: no |
| 10:20.49 | Phated | peterS: Sure it does. |
| 10:21.14 | p3|0n | i dont want to remove them i just dont want em to start |
| 10:21.15 | DebUser | caphuso, no, why not? |
| 10:21.20 | caphuso | DebUser: because it doesn't work |
| 10:21.26 | DebUser | Oh :S |
| 10:22.04 | caphuso | p3|0n: then delete the appropriate symlink(s) in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 10:22.18 | peterS | Phated? what does what? or what does whom? |
| 10:22.22 | caphuso | but what's the point in having a DM installed if you don't want to use it? |
| 10:22.31 | p3|0n | caphuso: but i cant still start it by using i.e. startx in console? |
| 10:22.38 | caphuso | p3|0n: sure |
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| 10:22.53 | valdyn | p3|0n: by /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 10:22.55 | peterS | p3|0n: startx doesn't run xdm/etc, it just jumps directly into a login session |
| 10:23.07 | DebUser | Is there a package of codecs that I can download for Debian? Sort of like the package of fonts? |
| 10:23.30 | valdyn | DebUser: sort of |
| 10:23.32 | inetd | deadcat, incase if you got any application that use 100dpi fonts then what you could do is in XF86Config-4 you can bring 75dpi up on the fontpath list and put 100dpi fonts last |
| 10:23.35 | vulture | phaethon: peterS was just asking about my nick change. was just pointing out what I mentioned earlier about people making a point of my nick change |
| 10:23.48 | vulture | s/ phaethon/ Phated/ |
| 10:23.50 | vulture | *shrugs* oh well |
| 10:24.11 | valdyn | DebUser: there's no single unified codec system whatsoever in unix |
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| 10:24.37 | peterS | valdyn: except in things like gstreamer. that's intended to be a sort of codec framework amongst other things |
| 10:25.07 | valdyn | DebUser: see peterS, certain frameworks provide / use certain codec "systems" |
| 10:25.10 | DebUser | So there's no easy way of finding the Intel Indeo codec? :S |
| 10:25.19 | nostromo^ | there's no single unified *whatever* system in linux/unix, that is. |
| 10:25.33 | peterS | DebUser: for use with what software? if the software has a plugin system, you check to see if an indeo plugin exists for that system |
| 10:25.39 | peterS | DebUser: 'apt-cache search' is quite helpful for this purpose |
| 10:26.00 | DebUser | Yep, I've apt-cache searched. Seems mplayer has support. But mplayer isn't packaged for Debian is it? |
| 10:26.00 | Sysdrum | did phated goto bed? poor youngin |
| 10:26.13 | peterS | nostromo^: nsswitch and pam are the two possible counterexamples |
| 10:26.21 | p3|0n | how do i know what the appropriate symlinks in rc2.d is? |
| 10:26.28 | valdyn | DebUser: its easy enough |
| 10:26.40 | peterS | DebUser: it's *packaged* for debian, but isn't in the debian archive itself. you'll have to find a third-party site. '/msg dpkg mplayer' |
| 10:26.46 | caphuso | p3|0n: it'll look roughly like S99?dm |
| 10:27.13 | p3|0n | i should just delete that and nothing else? S99gdm |
| 10:27.23 | peterS | p3|0n: rename it to K01gdm |
| 10:27.30 | peterS | p3|0n: or install and use rcconf |
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| 10:27.34 | wols | !d-i |
| 10:27.34 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:27.44 | deadcat | inetd: ok. i will do the XF86Config-4 then. |
| 10:27.46 | p3|0n | why K01 |
| 10:28.00 | numist | gotta fly |
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| 10:28.04 | peterS | p3|0n: if you don't understand why K01, it's probably best just to use rcconf |
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| 10:28.26 | p3|0n | mm yea |
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| 10:28.44 | p3|0n | apt-get install rconf ? |
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| 10:29.30 | peterS | p3|0n: apt-get install rcconf, yeah |
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| 10:30.31 | deadcat | inetd: everything on my desktop is 100dpi and works fine though |
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| 10:31.40 | Azar | deadcat, what can I do at this warning? make: *** No rule to make target `modules-install'. Stop |
| 10:32.06 | deadcat | Azar: what dir are you in? what module again? |
| 10:32.26 | Azar | I am in /usr/src/linux-2.6.10# |
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| 10:32.34 | peterS | Azar: modules_install |
| 10:32.37 | peterS | Azar: note underscore |
| 10:32.40 | Azar | I am recompiling the kernel |
| 10:32.47 | Azar | oh thanks :) |
| 10:33.11 | deadcat | peterS: well. depends though. some modules use - and some use _ |
| 10:33.20 | peterS | deadcat: the modules_install target is always _ |
| 10:33.24 | deadcat | Azar: i use make-dpkg to build a kernel |
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| 10:33.29 | fish_ | re |
| 10:33.31 | deadcat | peterS: ah. |
| 10:34.02 | deadcat | peterS: interesting remove the 100dpi dont do shit. i HAVE to use -dpi 75 from the command line in order to work |
| 10:34.03 | Azar | deadcat, I will try that on my testing partition, thank you |
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| 10:34.07 | peterS | deadcat: and the new module system that shipped with kernel 2.6 makes no distinction between - and _; the tools do a s/-/_/ |
| 10:34.18 | deadcat | (= |
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| 10:34.52 | peterS | deadcat: if you need -dpi, you can hardcode the monitor DPI in the Section "Monitor" of your XF86Config-4 file |
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| 10:35.26 | deadcat | k |
| 10:35.27 | thomas_adam | Or edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 10:35.31 | valdyn | deadcat: some stuff uses its own dpi settings ( gnome does ). 100dpi / 75dpi fonts are also irrelevant if you use truetype fonts, which is preferable imo |
| 10:35.40 | newie | paulswm: If you can read this: 1000x thanx a lot!!! it works! :-))) (jumping around like a 5y old schoolboy) |
| 10:35.56 | peterS | deadcat: basically use the DisplaySize parameter to tell XFree86 exactly how big your screen physically is. it'll figure out the DPI from there. see 'man XF86Config-4' for details |
| 10:36.07 | deadcat | valdyn: funnything is that i have same pkgs on desktop and laptop and they act diff |
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| 10:36.39 | valdyn | deadcat: every gui framework might act differently |
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| 10:37.03 | p3|0n | how do i get to the console, when in X, i want to get rid of all graphical stuff |
| 10:37.10 | valdyn | deadcat: then theres various interactions, kde setting gnome stuff, gnome setting gtk1 or gnome1 stuff |
| 10:37.12 | p3|0n | my sarge is crashing while in X =/ |
| 10:37.19 | deadcat | peterS: so DisplaySize 1024 768 ? |
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| 10:37.42 | valdyn | peterS: thanks, i didnt know that one |
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| 10:37.51 | Sysdrum | would it been the driver command for the xserver-xfree86? that could cause the dpi diffrence? |
| 10:37.55 | peterS | deadcat: is your display 1.024 meters wide and 0.768 meters high? |
| 10:38.01 | inetd | deadcat, remove the 100dpi fonts like i told you to then..using xset -fp |
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| 10:38.21 | deadcat | peterS: dont know. its a 12" ibook |
| 10:38.27 | deadcat | inetd: didnt work |
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| 10:39.13 | peterS | deadcat: 12 inches is a lot less than 40 inches, which is what 1024 would mean |
| 10:39.24 | Sysdrum | p3:alt ctrl f1 |
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| 10:39.50 | peterS | deadcat: DisplaySize expresses the physical dimensions of your screen, in millimeters. 1 millimeter is 1/40 of an inch, roughly |
| 10:40.05 | peterS | errr, I mean, 0.04 of an inch |
| 10:40.09 | deadcat | peterS: fuck it. i'll just use -dpi 75 from command line |
| 10:40.16 | deadcat | i dont know how to calc those (= |
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| 10:40.30 | peterS | deadcat: use a ruler. most rulers even have a millimeter scale on one side |
| 10:40.35 | deadcat | nah |
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| 10:41.05 | pirving | It looks like I've come round full circle and decided that debian is the closest to windows |
| 10:41.14 | pirving | Slackware is Like NT Server 4.0 |
| 10:41.19 | peterS | deadcat: or, if you want X to *believe* your screen is 75 DPI even if it isn't, just work backwards. figure 1024 pixels times 25.4 mm/inch divided by 75 pixels/inch gives you how many millimeters? |
| 10:41.24 | pirving | Mepis is like Mac |
| 10:41.38 | deadcat | peterS: what if i use someone else XF86Config-4 where they installed it via debian installer rather than woody? |
| 10:42.10 | deadcat | peterS: it believes i am 60 refresh rate |
| 10:42.12 | Sysdrum | p3 : you get the command line? |
| 10:42.28 | p3|0n | how do i get to the console, when in X, i want to get rid of all graphical stuff, like i just want to close down X and all that |
| 10:42.34 | peterS | deadcat: if you say "DisplaySize 347 260", that'll be 75 DPI at 1024x768 |
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| 10:42.51 | deadcat | peterS: will it hose my laptop? |
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| 10:43.07 | Sysdrum | p3: hit alt ctrl f1 |
| 10:43.19 | pirving | killall X |
| 10:43.19 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: ahaaa |
| 10:43.22 | peterS | deadcat: no. DisplaySize is just used to calculate DPI. it might change the font choices made by your applications, just like -dpi does |
| 10:43.23 | p3|0n | :) |
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| 10:44.17 | SirChojin | hmm, someone tested mysql with kernel threads on a 2.6? |
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| 10:44.29 | Sysdrum | p3: you can also do that with f2-f5 I believe |
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| 10:44.31 | inetd | deadcat, try removing 100dpi fonts from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 then |
| 10:44.31 | p3|0n | one thing that is majorly weird imo, is that when i log in to gnome with my user pass, and i go to terminal, i cant login with root passwd, it says its faulty, but when i try to log in with root to kde, its toatlly ok, same with console line |
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| 10:44.39 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: ok thz |
| 10:44.40 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:44.41 | p3|0n | thx |
| 10:44.50 | cahoot | peterS: 347mm is rather much for a 12" screen - not? |
| 10:45.16 | peterS | cahoot: hey, he wants the system to believe his screen is 75 pixels per inch. whether it *is* or not is not for me to say |
| 10:45.22 | caphuso | 347 25.4/ => 13.661417 |
| 10:45.30 | p3|0n | how do i configure SSH, like ports and stuff, i need to remote admin my sarge box and i wont be able to have a monitor on it more than a few days |
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| 10:45.45 | Sysdrum | p3 : personal I dislike gnome. but it works for some people. |
| 10:45.47 | deadcat | inetd: did that too |
| 10:46.03 | inetd | deadcat, and didnt work? |
| 10:46.06 | caphuso | p3|0n: install it, tell it to start the server when it asks |
| 10:46.06 | deadcat | nah |
| 10:46.10 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: personally i dislike graphical, until ive learned the console alright :) |
| 10:46.11 | pirving | KDE = GNOME |
| 10:46.24 | drac | pirving? |
| 10:46.25 | pirving | Same, each have their strenghts |
| 10:46.32 | pirving | and weaknessess |
| 10:46.32 | p3|0n | caphuso: apt-get isntall sshd? |
| 10:46.33 | caphuso | no, KDE = useless and annoying, GNOME = complete bullshit |
| 10:46.35 | caphuso | p3|0n: ssh |
| 10:46.40 | wnorrix | pirving: KDE > GNOME |
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| 10:46.59 | Sysdrum | I prefer the command line myself. but kde in my opion is better. |
| 10:47.02 | peterS | wnorrix: oh, I dunno, GNOME might be catching up on the bloat-o-meter |
| 10:47.03 | wnorrix | chad|david: chad flower and david black? |
| 10:47.04 | p3|0n | hmm how do i kill all the gnome kde stuff thats in processes now? |
| 10:47.09 | Twitching_Fool | enlightenment! |
| 10:47.14 | pirving | I prefer fvwm or fluxbox |
| 10:47.21 | wnorrix | peterS: bah! gnome is more bloat |
| 10:47.26 | thomas_adam | !be thomas_adam barbie |
| 10:47.26 | dpkg | fvwm is sooo cool. Let's go shopping, teehee. |
| 10:47.29 | peterS | wnorrix: then you should have said GNOME > KDE |
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| 10:47.37 | wnorrix | peterS: their browser is 2mb with a depend of 20 mb |
| 10:47.51 | Azar | how do I download from command line a http:// source? |
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| 10:48.00 | pirving | Why does Redhat and Debian use GNOME as the default WM?????? |
| 10:48.02 | thomas_adam | Azar: wget |
| 10:48.03 | wnorrix | Azar: wget |
| 10:48.04 | Sysdrum | p3: did you logout of the gui? |
| 10:48.05 | pirving | hmmmmmm |
| 10:48.08 | p3|0n | no |
| 10:48.08 | Azar | thanks guys |
| 10:48.09 | p3|0n | :/ |
| 10:48.16 | wnorrix | pirving: debian does not have a default desktop |
| 10:48.19 | Twitching_Fool | or lynx with dump and source |
| 10:48.20 | peterS | wnorrix: epiphany? it doesn't look like *that* much in dependencies to me |
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| 10:48.32 | pirving | and epiphany is default as well |
| 10:48.32 | Sysdrum | hit alt ctrl f6 or is it f7? |
| 10:48.36 | wnorrix | peterS: duh! it depends on mozilla |
| 10:48.41 | deadcat | peterS: Option "DisplaySize 347 260" |
| 10:48.45 | peterS | wnorrix: it does? |
| 10:48.45 | p3|0n | it was F7 |
| 10:48.47 | deadcat | under Monitor dont work |
| 10:48.55 | pirving | I use VNC personally |
| 10:49.04 | Sysdrum | p3: just log out |
| 10:49.04 | pirving | I find it works better than SSH |
| 10:49.13 | wnorrix | peterS: heh dont tell me you though monkeys were smart enough to write their own enigne |
| 10:49.19 | pirving | and FTP. I can't get samba working properly and I can't even begin to understand NFS |
| 10:49.24 | p3|0n | LOL sarge crashed while logging out from the GUI |
| 10:49.35 | peterS | wnorrix: oh, duh, I was looking at the Depends: line for the wrong package |
| 10:49.38 | p3|0n | it has done it several times over the last few days |
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| 10:50.27 | POVaddct | p3|0n: do you use a display manager like xdm, kdm, gdm or such? |
| 10:50.48 | Sysdrum | P3: setup your ssh and then remote it. |
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| 10:51.31 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: yes thats what im trying to do |
| 10:51.33 | Sysdrum | P3: keep in ming you console is your best friend. |
| 10:51.34 | RolandU | hi all! How do I set which users are able to access the samba-server from outside? |
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| 10:52.11 | p3|0n | POVaddct i used gdm but im trying to net load it on startup cuz this box is gonna be in my closet with no moniter, only power and Cat5 cable |
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| 10:52.28 | topa | !dbus-sharp |
| 10:52.33 | inetd | deadcat, in gdm.conf |
| 10:52.45 | topa | has anyone managed to run beagle on sid ? |
| 10:52.59 | POVaddct | p3|0n: if you don't want gdm to be started at boot time, deinstall it: apt-get remove gdm |
| 10:53.05 | pirving | gdm = god damn |
| 10:53.07 | topa | or does anyone know a repository for dbus-sharp |
| 10:53.10 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: im a linux newbie, but im totally in to learning it, so i bought this "linux in a nutshell" seems like a good overall book, so now im gonna learn the console first and then i may be using my window manager of choice |
| 10:53.13 | inetd | deadcat, change StandardXServer=/usr/X11R6/bin/X toStandardXServer=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 75 |
| 10:53.39 | topa | p3|0n, use update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 10:54.08 | pirving | p3: Command line is confusing compared to dos.....why not use the nice GUI's that are available to you and learn backwards. I bet it would be quicker. Even if you are dislecic |
| 10:54.12 | Sysdrum | Well did you install the ssh? |
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| 10:54.24 | inetd | deadcat, actuually the path to X is /usr/bin/X11/X |
| 10:54.40 | pirving | I've been using command line all my life....I'm happy X has come this far |
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| 10:54.42 | Sysdrum | p3 :yet? |
| 10:54.45 | pirving | lets use it |
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| 10:55.00 | p3|0n | pirving i did a lot in ms dos back in the days and i feel more comfy in console than in a gui |
| 10:55.23 | deadcat | inetd: ya. gdm works fine. just command line now. |
| 10:55.31 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: it says when i started up the box just b4 i logged in Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell Server |
| 10:55.35 | p3|0n | sshd |
| 10:55.35 | pirving | p3: The first thing you want to know is VI |
| 10:55.46 | pirving | or apt-get install pico or nano |
| 10:55.52 | p3|0n | pirving i prefer nano |
| 10:55.59 | drac | apt-get install joe |
| 10:56.00 | deadcat | pirving: aint no pico. |
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| 10:56.04 | inetd | deadcat, whats wrong with command line? |
| 10:56.07 | pirving | and remember pipes | they are your friend |
| 10:56.12 | POVaddct | editor wars :) |
| 10:56.16 | deadcat | inetd: i have to use -dpi 75 else shit wont work |
| 10:56.17 | p3|0n | pipes? |
| 10:56.19 | peterS | deadcat: does pico have any features nano lacks? I don't use either one, so I'm curious |
| 10:56.20 | p3|0n | i smoke a lot of pipes |
| 10:56.22 | ledet | !start editor war |
| 10:56.28 | pirving | GUI |
| 10:56.31 | ledet | :) |
| 10:56.36 | pirving | kwrite |
| 10:56.37 | deadcat | peterS: i dont use them either. jsut that pico aint free |
| 10:56.38 | drac | leafpad! |
| 10:56.39 | p3|0n | nano |
| 10:56.39 | Sysdrum | p3: ssh in linux is new to me also so |
| 10:56.42 | p3|0n | is good imo |
| 10:56.48 | p3|0n | Sysdrum: ok |
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| 10:56.56 | pirving | sftp |
| 10:56.58 | pirving | scp |
| 10:57.01 | pirving | wget |
| 10:57.09 | deadcat | pirving: calm the fuck down. |
| 10:57.09 | pirving | whois |
| 10:57.29 | [Granger] | killall -9 pirving |
| 10:57.32 | peterS | you know, bc should support a '-e' like sed/perl/grep |
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| 10:57.46 | inetd | deadcat, or because you removed the 100dpi fonts? |
| 10:57.57 | nixbox | why does the time command give an error when "-f" switch is supplied along with the formatting string? |
| 10:58.01 | Sysdrum | peterS: can you tell p3: the ssh stuff? |
| 10:58.10 | pirving | nixbox use date |
| 10:58.18 | p3|0n | ok, how do i get ssh to work on my sarge then, i need to remote everything on it |
| 10:58.19 | peterS | Sysdrum: I'm not clear on p3's problem with sshd |
| 10:58.20 | deadcat | inetd: nah. everything is back now. but thats ok. i dont start from commandline on the ibook anyway. (= can always -dpi 75. |
| 10:58.23 | pirving | It's much easier |
| 10:58.24 | nixbox | time is obsolete? |
| 10:58.31 | lobomufas | hiya |
| 10:58.32 | nixbox | why doesn't time work? |
| 10:58.34 | caphuso | time and date are not interchangeable |
| 10:58.44 | POVaddct | p3|0n: which ssh client do you use to log into your sarge box? |
| 10:58.45 | peterS | p3|0n: just installing 'ssh' does not work? it really is a plug n play package |
| 10:58.47 | nixbox | ahan |
| 10:58.58 | drac | nixbox: get 'ntpdate', and be allways on time. |
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| 10:59.04 | nixbox | if its documented in the man page it SHOULD work |
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| 10:59.08 | p3|0n | im using Putty |
| 10:59.12 | nixbox | hey you all |
| 10:59.16 | caphuso | nixbox: you're not using the time documented in the man page |
| 10:59.16 | POVaddct | p3|0n: and does it work? |
| 10:59.18 | peterS | you *can* configure sshd, sure, but most people shouldn't need to touch the config after the questions the installer asks |
| 10:59.20 | p3|0n | nope |
| 10:59.24 | pirving | Putty rocks |
| 10:59.27 | nixbox | i am talking about the time command which takes a program as argument .... |
| 10:59.29 | drac | putty is anal |
| 10:59.36 | p3|0n | unable to open connection : connection refuesed |
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| 10:59.39 | nixbox | and can consequently print parameters specific to the process which was run |
| 10:59.41 | POVaddct | p3|0n: which error message do you get? |
| 10:59.43 | pirving | There is a web based putty clone |
| 10:59.45 | caphuso | nixbox: you're probably using the shell builtin of bash. use /usr/bin/time instead of just time |
| 10:59.58 | peterS | p3|0n: connection refused means you are either using the wrong IP, or you answered "no" to the question about whether to start ssh |
| 11:00.04 | peterS | sshd, even |
| 11:00.04 | nixbox | the -f switch allows the user to specify a format string in order to view the parameters of his own choice rather than the default |
| 11:00.14 | POVaddct | p3|0n: on the sarge box: netstat --inet -anp | grep -w 22 |
| 11:00.38 | peterS | nixbox: note that 'time' is a bash builtin, and *also* is in /bin/. you might be viewing documentation for one, and running the other. they don't have the same features |
| 11:00.40 | Sysdrum | peterS: what is the command to recongire the ssh? |
| 11:00.41 | p3|0n | POVaddct what is that? |
| 11:00.45 | deadcat | inetd: i think the problem taht i need 75 on the laptop and 100 works fine on the desktop is that desktop is nvidia and laptop is ati. i bet |
| 11:00.49 | peterS | Sysdrum: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 11:01.04 | POVaddct | p3|0n: a command to check which process (if any) is listening at tcp port 22 |
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| 11:01.11 | deadcat | atleast my damn xine/gdm/some webpages fonts are fix. (= thanks gang |
| 11:01.16 | Sysdrum | peterS:thanks i need that for later. |
| 11:01.45 | p3|0n | POVaddct i did it, tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1404/sshd |
| 11:02.01 | pirving | mplayer vs xine, kde vs gnome, and gaim vs kopete |
| 11:02.06 | inetd | deadcat, thats right ...100dpi works nicely when you got really high res! :) |
| 11:02.47 | p3|0n | POVaddct what u think? |
| 11:03.17 | POVaddct | p3|0n: iptables -L INPUT -n (do not paste here, just want to know if there are filter rules or not) |
| 11:03.31 | p3|0n | k |
| 11:03.36 | deadcat | inetd: thats what i got on the desktop (= |
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| 11:04.26 | p3|0n | POVaddct that didnt give me anything, just ip_tables (C) bla bla bla |
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| 11:04.34 | Azar | deadcat I am trying to install the new nvidia driver and I get 'Failed to execute /sbin/depmod -aq 2.6.10': depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented, what is this error? |
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| 11:05.08 | inetd | deadcat, it make sense to run your desktop with 100dpi fonts then :) |
| 11:05.10 | Azar | I get several like this at bootup, for mouse, keyboard.. |
| 11:05.15 | caphuso | !qm_modules |
| 11:05.15 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 11:05.17 | deadcat | Azar: nvidia driver from nvidia.com? i have no clue. i use nvidia from debian non-free |
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| 11:05.25 | iscandar | hello |
| 11:05.25 | POVaddct | p3|0n: tail -f /var/log/auth.log and try to log in with putty again |
| 11:05.27 | Azar | deadcat, yes |
| 11:05.38 | mattybats | i can't get my computer to stay asleep. got a compaq evo 620c. doing echo # > /proc/acpi/sleep |
| 11:06.21 | Azar | oh no, I need to get adrian bunk's patch? |
| 11:06.30 | iscandar | i'm trying to configure my wireless card, just a new debian user, it's a belkin, does somebody know where I can look for help? |
| 11:06.33 | deadcat | Azar: no. |
| 11:06.37 | deadcat | !tell Azar about nvidia |
| 11:06.55 | p3|0n | POVaddct i did get to the login screen now yes |
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| 11:07.02 | mattybats | iscandar: your interface come up? |
| 11:07.09 | caphuso | Azar: are you using woody? |
| 11:07.10 | p3|0n | POVaddct how do i stop this tail cmd or get to another screen |
| 11:07.24 | caphuso | deadcat: did you even read the error message? |
| 11:07.24 | POVaddct | p3|0n: stop it by pressing ctrl-c |
| 11:07.36 | deadcat | caphuso: his? no (= |
| 11:07.40 | iscandar | mattybats, sorry, I don't get what you mean |
| 11:07.40 | caphuso | it's _not_ an nvidia problem |
| 11:07.46 | deadcat | HAHAH |
| 11:08.05 | mattybats | iscandar: does ifconfig show your wireless card |
| 11:08.11 | POVaddct | p3|0n: you can also switch to other consoles by pressing alt-fx (with 1 <= x <= 6) |
| 11:08.19 | Azar | caphuso, installed 3.0r2, with bf24 then upgraded kernel to 2.6.10, now trying to get the latest nvidia driver, it worked before now it does not want to |
| 11:08.20 | p3|0n | yea i noticed |
| 11:08.28 | caphuso | Azar: upgrade to sarge |
| 11:08.39 | Azar | caphuso, I have no burner |
| 11:08.41 | p3|0n | POVaddct it says my passwd is wrong when im trying to log in with ssh |
| 11:08.47 | Azar | so I try going unstalbe bit by bit |
| 11:08.47 | caphuso | Azar: you don't need one |
| 11:08.49 | p3|0n | lol and i forgot what the cmd to chpass is |
| 11:08.56 | POVaddct | p3|0n: trying to log in as root? |
| 11:08.56 | deadcat | !woody->sarge |
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| 11:09.07 | p3|0n | no |
| 11:09.45 | iscandar | doesn't seem so, no it doesn't |
| 11:09.54 | p3|0n | whats the chpass cmd? |
| 11:10.00 | Twitching_Fool | passwd |
| 11:10.01 | POVaddct | p3|0n: to change user blah's password: passwd blah |
| 11:10.10 | p3|0n | ah thx |
| 11:10.17 | peterS | there's also chpasswd |
| 11:10.24 | peterS | which can be run noninteractively |
| 11:10.32 | mattybats | so about that power question? |
| 11:10.34 | caphuso | and which is probably not what p3|0n needs right now |
| 11:10.36 | POVaddct | peterS: yeah, but that's for scripting use |
| 11:11.00 | mattybats | iscandar: is your card pcmcia |
| 11:11.02 | p3|0n | what |
| 11:11.05 | iscandar | yep |
| 11:11.12 | p3|0n | acces denied even if i KNOW its the right passwd |
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| 11:11.34 | iscandar | and its light is off(if it means something...) |
| 11:11.37 | mattybats | iscandar: does lspci show your card? |
| 11:11.46 | POVaddct | p3|0n: no hints in /var/log/auth.log ? |
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| 11:12.00 | p3|0n | that tail cmd again? |
| 11:12.09 | peterS | tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 11:12.23 | peterS | although these days I favor 'less -S +F' over 'tail -f' |
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| 11:12.46 | iscandar | yes |
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| 11:13.29 | peterS | sure, less is more heavyweight, but I like the convenience of breaking in and out of tail -f mode to less-pager-mode |
| 11:13.37 | p3|0n | the only thing i get is localhost CRON1563 : pam_unix session opened for user blah by (uid=0) and directly after that locahost session closed for user blah |
| 11:13.42 | iscandar | 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 11:13.59 | deadcat | iscandar: ndiswrapper is one solution. |
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| 11:14.37 | mattybats | debcat: can't he put an entry in /etc/network/interfaces too? |
| 11:14.46 | petemc | peterS:would that still wokr if you're piping it through ccze? |
| 11:14.50 | petemc | work |
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| 11:14.59 | iscandar | yes, I was afraid of that :) |
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| 11:15.07 | p3|0n | howcome it says access denied even if ui type right passwd, and it wont say anything more in aut.log just session opened and then session closed |
| 11:15.12 | peterS | petemc: what is ccze? piping tail -f through anything opens you up to annoying latencies related to buffering, though |
| 11:15.19 | SaGer | Hallo |
| 11:15.22 | caphuso | p3|0n: try as another user |
| 11:15.24 | mattybats | iscandar: which ndiswrapper of /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:15.26 | petemc | peterS: colorize in c |
| 11:15.32 | mattybats | of=or |
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| 11:15.35 | p3|0n | caphuso: i only have 2 users, root and me |
| 11:15.39 | caphuso | p3|0n: then try as me |
| 11:15.49 | p3|0n | thats what i did |
| 11:15.57 | SaGer | I've got a problem with gdm und with my Microsoft Keyboard on Debian |
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| 11:16.23 | p3|0n | root wont work either |
| 11:16.27 | peterS | petemc: well, I rather doubt 'less +F' would work correctly if the object is to pipe to another text processor |
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| 11:16.32 | mattybats | i'm going to bed |
| 11:16.34 | mattybats | it's late |
| 11:16.44 | iscandar | mattybats, what do you mean? never used ndiswrapper right now... |
| 11:16.44 | mattybats | night |
| 11:16.46 | p3|0n | its 13:16 in the morning |
| 11:16.55 | weems | how do I change the rights so I can write to a file ( on commandline as root) |
| 11:17.03 | caphuso | p3|0n: try with "ssh -vv" |
| 11:17.13 | deadcat | weems: man chmod chown chgrp |
| 11:17.34 | peterS | petemc: although you could, perversely, do 'tail -f | ccze | less +F', I think |
| 11:17.46 | POVaddct | p3|0n: btw, "blah" was just an example. the user has to exist |
| 11:17.46 | petemc | heh |
| 11:18.17 | p3|0n | OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8sarge.4, OpenSSL 0.9.7e usage: ssh blablablablbalblalbla |
| 11:18.23 | peterS | petemc: you'd probably want to use less -r +F in that case, though, so that the colors would actually work |
| 11:18.25 | NeoG | hmm.. both local mirrors say abiword_2.2.3-1_i386.deb MD5SUM Mismatch.. |
| 11:18.33 | mattybats | iscandar: try putting an entry for whatever the interface name is of your network card in /etc/network/interfaces. do a man interfaces then do an if up. you might need the driver, i can't rememver how to tell if it's installed or not |
| 11:18.42 | p3|0n | POVaddct yes i know that and i used p30n insted of blah and that is a user |
| 11:19.02 | mattybats | iscandar: if up = ifup -a |
| 11:19.05 | p3|0n | ssh -D |
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| 11:19.13 | petemc | peterS: ill probably just stick with tail -f and using screen to scroll about :) |
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| 11:19.40 | peterS | petemc: well, that works too. I prefer the 'less' UI over the 'screen' one, for scrolling stuff, but hey |
| 11:20.05 | petemc | horses for courses |
| 11:20.18 | peterS | yeah |
| 11:21.23 | POVaddct | p3|0n: in /var/log/auth.log you should see something like: Jan 29 12:18:25 camera sshd[666]: Accepted password for chris from 127.0.0.1 port 33122 ssh2 |
| 11:21.24 | iscandar | ok, but which name should I put, since if I do ifconfig my card is not listed? |
| 11:21.27 | peterS | one feature I really like about less is -S, meaning chop lines at the edge of the terminal window. you can achieve this with 'cut -c-$COLUMNS' but less -S is more convenient. this is nice for viewing logs, IMO |
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| 11:21.41 | caphuso | and you can toggle it with less |
| 11:21.45 | peterS | yes |
| 11:21.47 | peterS | that too |
| 11:21.54 | caphuso | that's hard once you've use cut... |
| 11:21.59 | peterS | heh |
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| 11:22.38 | peterS | less -S doesn't interact perfectly with -r and ANSI escapes, in my experience. I haven't used them together for quite a long time, though, maybe it's been fixecd |
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| 11:23.16 | p3|0n | POVaddct actually i dont, just like this : Jan 29 13:17:02 localohost CRON[1575]: (pam_unix) session opened for user p30n by (uid=0) and after that the same date stuff and session closed for user p30n |
| 11:23.29 | caphuso | !alias of pain |
| 11:23.29 | dpkg | yes, worse than alias rm='rm -i': alias less='less -r'! |
| 11:23.40 | POVaddct | p3|0n: well, cron isn't ssh :) |
| 11:23.54 | EmleyMoor | Has anyone successfully compiled sl-modem-source under a 2.6.10 kernel? I am getting several unresolved symbols when I try to install the slamr module |
| 11:23.55 | p3|0n | ok? |
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| 11:24.38 | EmleyMoor | (get_device, put_device and device_release_driver) are all unknown symbols) |
| 11:24.53 | skip_ | hi all...in fstab I have /dev/hda3 /mnt/hda3 vfat noauto 0 0, but for some reason it won't mount the drive. I can mount it manually from a console |
| 11:24.56 | EmleyMoor | Is there a package I need or have I missed something out of my kernel? |
| 11:25.13 | Kheldar^ | .. noauto |
| 11:25.16 | p3|0n | POVaddct how do i know if sshd is started, the ps x list is too long man :p or what could be the problem? |
| 11:25.21 | Kheldar^ | use your big muscle up there :) |
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| 11:25.27 | krenin | hello |
| 11:25.37 | POVaddct | p3|0n: ps axc | grep sshd |
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| 11:26.06 | skip_ | doh!!! |
| 11:26.11 | p3|0n | 1404 ? Ss 0:00 sshd |
| 11:26.13 | SaGer | Hyyyyyyyy |
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| 11:26.17 | Faithful | is dovecot the way to go for an IMAP server? |
| 11:26.26 | EfaistOs | hi |
| 11:26.28 | EfaistOs | what is the module for a relatek 8029 ethernet card ? |
| 11:26.59 | EmleyMoor | EfaistOs: That's an NE2000-type card |
| 11:27.06 | SaGer | I have a problem with my MS-keyboard |
| 11:27.12 | POVaddct | p3|0n: check /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 11:27.19 | p3|0n | POVaddct what could be wrong when i cant login? and why did it say cron when it should say sshd? how do conf the ports or anything that has to do with sshd? or should i not od that? |
| 11:27.22 | p3|0n | k |
| 11:27.31 | EmleyMoor | ne2k_pci rings a bell |
| 11:27.55 | peterS | EmleyMoor: correct |
| 11:28.09 | POVaddct | p3|0n: normally you don't need to configure ports or such, sshd just uses port 22 to listen on it, and that's it. |
| 11:28.26 | peterS | EfaistOs: EmleyMoor guessed correctly with ne2k-pci except that it's "-" not "_", at least with 2.2 or 2.4 kernels (2.6 kernels don't care about "-" vs. "_" in module names) |
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| 11:28.44 | EmleyMoor | What would cause "unknown symbol" errors when trying to load the slamr module? Have I omitted something from my kernel or a package I need? |
| 11:28.48 | p3|0n | POVaddct ok, there was nothing added in hosts.allow |
| 11:28.48 | POVaddct | p3|0n: make sure you use port 22 in putty, not 23 |
| 11:29.08 | p3|0n | POVaddct yes |
| 11:29.16 | peterS | POVaddct: which is to say, the ssh protocol rather than the telnet protocol. when you switch the protocol it switches the port automatically |
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| 11:29.30 | POVaddct | peterS: yes |
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| 11:29.48 | POVaddct | peterS: i suspected there would be a running telnetd too |
| 11:29.59 | peterS | POVaddct: not on a new debian install, there wouldn't |
| 11:30.09 | p3|0n | POVaddct nothing in hosts.allow or hosts.deny |
| 11:30.15 | POVaddct | p3|0n: hmm |
| 11:30.35 | p3|0n | they were all hashed and that was only examples |
| 11:30.41 | Twitching_Fool | ahh, whats the dohicky for piping stderr into stdout? &2>1? |
| 11:30.59 | EmleyMoor | Any better channel for help with a linmodem driver problem? |
| 11:31.17 | EmleyMoor | Twitching: 2&>1 |
| 11:31.33 | peterS | 2>&1 |
| 11:31.34 | rdancer | EmleyMoor, Twitching_Fool: 2>&1 |
| 11:31.38 | Twitching_Fool | EmleyMoor: not to sound negitive, but i smashed my winmodem to pieces and brought a real one :> |
| 11:31.40 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes |
| 11:31.41 | Twitching_Fool | ahh, ty |
| 11:31.52 | rdancer | Twitching_Fool: good! |
| 11:31.54 | EmleyMoor | Twitching_Fool: It's in a laptop |
| 11:32.08 | POVaddct | p3|0n: can you log in via ssh on the sarge box itself? |
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| 11:32.21 | p3|0n | POVaddct how do i do that |
| 11:32.29 | rdancer | laptops make spectacular crashlandings... |
| 11:32.38 | *** part/#debian skip_ (~skip@dsl-203-33-162-15.NSW.netspace.net.au) |
| 11:32.43 | rdancer | ...especially when thrown out of the 10th store... |
| 11:32.59 | POVaddct | p3|0n: ssh p30n@localhost (while already logged in via console) |
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| 11:33.05 | EmleyMoor | So, regardless, any clues on linmodems? (it is supported) |
| 11:33.49 | peterS | POVaddct: be sure and recommend -v as well |
| 11:33.53 | simonrvn | re |
| 11:34.04 | POVaddct | okay okay :) |
| 11:34.17 | p3|0n | the auth of host localhost bla bla bla cant be established RSA key bla bla Are u sure u wanna continue connectng |
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| 11:34.29 | POVaddct | p3|0n: type "yes" |
| 11:34.34 | p3|0n | yes it worked |
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| 11:34.53 | p3|0n | and it said permanently added the locahost RSA tot the list of known hosts |
| 11:35.03 | POVaddct | p3|0n: yeah, that's okay |
| 11:35.28 | POVaddct | p3|0n: and did it prompt for p30n's password? |
| 11:35.29 | p3|0n | ok |
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| 11:35.52 | p3|0n | yes |
| 11:35.55 | p3|0n | it did |
| 11:35.59 | p3|0n | and i logged in and it worked |
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| 11:36.15 | tso_ | is there a problem with people.debian.org & ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 11:36.26 | p3|0n | how do i end this ssh session on the deb box? |
| 11:36.34 | POVaddct | p3|0n: exit |
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| 11:36.46 | tso_ | or ctrl-d in bash shell |
| 11:36.54 | p3|0n | kk |
| 11:37.05 | SiliconViper | New screenshot: http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/screenshots/lo/debian-0003-improved.png |
| 11:37.06 | p3|0n | EOF |
| 11:37.10 | POVaddct | tso_: only if ignoreeof isn't set :) |
| 11:37.23 | igod | I all |
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| 11:37.57 | p3|0n | POVaddct: hmm, so its my host that isnt allowed to connect? but i want it so that i "could" ssh from wherever to my deb box |
| 11:38.01 | tso_ | POVaddct: okay, you're right, i haven't drink enough coffee yet ;-) |
| 11:38.35 | POVaddct | p3|0n: can you ping the windows box from the sarge box and vice versa? |
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| 11:39.17 | cyberyo | SiliconViper: wahou what is this pics ? ( http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/screenshots/lo/debian-0003-improved.png ) |
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| 11:39.33 | p3|0n | POVaddct yes i can, both ways |
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| 11:39.51 | SiliconViper | cyberyo, It is a screenshot of my desktop, sir. |
| 11:39.54 | tso_ | p3|0n: did you check the hosts.allow file, do you have an entry with sshd: youwinclientip ? |
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| 11:40.02 | TerminX | cyberyo: looks like a GNOME theme and some gdesklets |
| 11:40.12 | leikh | trying to start partimage, but i get this message: "This version can't be used on a system with a non mounted devfs". I don't understand. |
| 11:40.15 | p3|0n | tso_: i checked hosts.allow, didnt have any entries |
| 11:40.18 | POVaddct | tso_: he already checked. all commented out |
| 11:40.24 | cyberyo | SiliconViper: good :) |
| 11:40.40 | cyberyo | TerminX: yes but very good customization ! |
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| 11:40.50 | POVaddct | tso_: next thing i'd try was to strace the sshd process |
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| 11:40.59 | cyberyo | SiliconViper: what did you install ? |
| 11:41.05 | takisd | hello all |
| 11:41.09 | tso_ | POVaddct: hosts.deny also checked? |
| 11:41.10 | cyberyo | SiliconViper: the theme ? |
| 11:41.17 | p3|0n | POVaddct what should i do? |
| 11:41.22 | POVaddct | tso_: yes |
| 11:41.29 | TerminX | it's probably on art.gnome.org, whatever it is |
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| 11:41.43 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 11:42.00 | p3|0n | tso_: nothing of use in hosts files everything was # |
| 11:42.10 | POVaddct | p3|0n: if you have strace installed, try: strace -p <pid-of-sshd> and try putty again |
| 11:42.19 | takisd | had all the menu items added to the gnome menu dissapear. all still in .gnome2/vfolders/... just not showing up. any ideas??? |
| 11:42.48 | POVaddct | p3|0n: get the pid of sshd before with: ps axc | grep sshd |
| 11:43.08 | SiliconViper | cyberyo, it's cobbled together from several sets. Icons from several places, candy from others, theme from others, wallpaper from others |
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| 11:43.35 | p3|0n | yes process 1404 attached - interrupt to quit selcet(7, [3], NULL, NULL, NULL |
| 11:44.10 | p3|0n | ok couldnt log in said access denied |
| 11:44.11 | POVaddct | p3|0n: now does something other appear when you try to log in with putty? |
| 11:44.21 | Sysdrum | povaddct: what is the net list command? |
| 11:44.24 | p3|0n | what do u want to know POVaddct |
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| 11:44.43 | p3|0n | = (in[3]) |
| 11:44.43 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: net list? do you mean netstat --inet -anp ? |
| 11:44.54 | Sysdrum | thyanks yep |
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| 11:45.09 | cyzie | hello guys. how do i make my sarge to use chinese language? what packages do i need to apt-get ? im using icewm on an old pc |
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| 11:45.42 | aum | hi - i upgraded my galeon, whose deps upgraded all of my gnome setup - now, mouse wheel scrolls every window a whole page at a time, not just a few lines - how can i fix? |
| 11:45.54 | p3|0n | accept(3, {sa_family=AFINET, sin_port=htons(4567), sin_addr=inet_addr("192-168-1-34")}, [16] = 4 |
| 11:46.01 | p3|0n | POVaddct want more? |
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| 11:46.27 | POVaddct | p3|0n: no |
| 11:46.35 | p3|0n | ok |
| 11:46.42 | Sysdrum | povaddct: I need to bring up my network card and make it active? what command do i use? |
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| 11:46.45 | POVaddct | p3|0n: i just wanted to check if sshd gets input over net |
| 11:46.50 | POVaddct | p3|0n: and it does |
| 11:46.54 | p3|0n | k |
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| 11:48.04 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: does the card show up already when doing ifconfig -a ? |
| 11:48.20 | POVaddct | p3|0n: hmm, i'm running out of ideas |
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| 11:48.30 | EmleyMoor | What would cause unknown symbols when trying to load the slamr module? |
| 11:48.36 | POVaddct | p3|0n: maybe the pam config for ssh is broken |
| 11:48.37 | cyzie | hello guys. how do i make my sarge to use chinese language? what packages do i need to apt-get ? im using icewm on an old pc |
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| 11:48.45 | p3|0n | hmm, werid that it wont work |
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| 11:48.52 | POVaddct | p3|0n: but i'm not into pam configuration... |
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| 11:49.05 | Sysdrum | yes |
| 11:49.20 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: so the kernel module is loaded |
| 11:49.26 | p3|0n | POVaddct: cant it be something with the hsot and stuff? it asked for the RSA fingerprint stuff before i logged in when i tried from the deb bx itself, it wont ask that when im going from my winclient |
| 11:49.45 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: now edit /etc/network/interfaces (look at man 5 interfaces for syntax) |
| 11:49.56 | Sysdrum | povaddct: yes but it gives me no net stats |
| 11:50.12 | polkah | hello people |
| 11:50.14 | igod | Any one had installed Postgresql 8.0 on debian sarge? |
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| 11:50.37 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: does it already have an IP address? |
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| 11:50.52 | polkah | I read the topic which said that packages.d.o and alioth.d.o are down for the week end. What's happening ? |
| 11:50.55 | Sysdrum | povaddct:gave me an error |
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| 11:51.06 | Sysdrum | povaddct:yes |
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| 11:51.11 | jcoiron | I had a look into gnome.org, debian.org, and few websites and didn't find a great wallpaper for my home Gnome desktop. Could anyone advise me a website site with wallpapers (with a great Debian or Gnome logo for example, not a general theme wallpaper :) ) ? |
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| 11:51.33 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: "an error" is probably the worst problem description |
| 11:51.42 | Sysdrum | povaddct: and I have it setup with the gateway. I think i can ping outside my network let me see |
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| 11:52.01 | cyco | Is this a help channel? |
| 11:52.14 | polkah | cyco: yes |
| 11:52.21 | Sysdrum | povaddct: I type spmething wrong so it was human error on my part. |
| 11:52.33 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: ah okay |
| 11:52.36 | tso_ | cyzie: first of try to install some chinese fonts try with xfonts-intl-chinese or other |
| 11:53.04 | cyco | How unfortunate. |
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| 11:53.19 | tso_ | cyzie: and read for example: http://wiki.linux.org.hk/index.php/How_to_make_Debian_support_chinese |
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| 11:53.22 | Twitching_Fool | argh. any chance of anyone knowing something about ABX tests? |
| 11:53.38 | Sysdrum | povaddct: okay i can hit an outside site I wonder why I can't telnet it or ssh it? |
| 11:54.21 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: hit? |
| 11:54.36 | Sysdrum | povaddct: pinged |
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| 11:54.42 | cyzie | tso_, thanks a lot |
| 11:54.43 | cyzie | ;) |
| 11:55.23 | Sysdrum | povaddct: It seem alive |
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| 11:55.53 | tso_ | this is the day of ssh or what? :) |
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| 11:55.59 | POVaddct | tso_: hehe |
| 11:56.11 | mirak | Debian Bsd ? |
| 11:56.13 | mirak | c'est quoi ? |
| 11:56.15 | mirak | hum sorry |
| 11:56.17 | mirak | what is debian bsd ? |
| 11:56.33 | simonrvn | mirak: debian userland with bsd kernel |
| 11:56.50 | cyzie | tso_, my browser cant decode the page u gave me properly |
| 11:57.05 | pepsi_ | packages can belong to different dists: stable, testing, unstable. But can one package belong to several dists? if so, when I set what dist to use in sources.list, is it just an "acceptance-level" I set? |
| 11:57.07 | simonrvn | mirak: there's netbsd, or freebsd |
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| 11:57.44 | iceman | or openbsd |
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| 11:57.48 | simonrvn | pepsi_: no. they can't belong to both testing and unstable. |
| 11:57.54 | blackstar | cyzie_what browser are you using |
| 11:57.59 | simonrvn | iceman: not in debian's k*bsd |
| 11:58.16 | pepsi_ | simonrvn: buth other combinations are ok? such as testing / stable? |
| 11:58.17 | Sysdrum | povaddct: okay I opened it in putty under the ip address and it said that the connection timed out |
| 11:58.25 | simonrvn | pepsi_: no. |
| 11:58.27 | iceman | sorry simon |
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| 11:58.51 | pepsi_ | simonrvn: so packages belong to one dist and one dist only? |
| 11:58.55 | simonrvn | pepsi_: the "combination" comes from the fact that one can have testing and unstable in one's sources.list |
| 11:59.07 | cyzie | konquerer and firefox, both of them cant decode properly |
| 11:59.22 | blackstar | ok here's what i think is the problem |
| 11:59.23 | cyzie | it is a lot of boxes fill with numbers |
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| 11:59.34 | blackstar | you are getting funny characters is that correct? |
| 11:59.39 | blackstar | ok |
| 11:59.40 | simonrvn | pepsi_: if you do that, it's recommended to do pinning. it's even more recommended to not do that at all |
| 11:59.54 | tso_ | cyzie: yes that's true,because you don't have fonts for it, http://www.debian.org.hk/node/1067 this is readable i think |
| 12:00.13 | POVaddct | Sysdrum: i don't know your net setup. maybe the gateway is blocking ports |
| 12:00.13 | cyzie | tso_, thanks |
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| 12:01.01 | blackstar | go to view -> character encoding -> auto-detect -> chineese |
| 12:01.04 | pepsi_ | simonrvn: but if I'm interested in packages in unstable, then surly I must be able to use packages from stable!? |
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| 12:01.12 | pepsi_ | samdret: ... also |
| 12:01.14 | blackstar | that might fix it as well...cyzie |
| 12:01.24 | simonrvn | pepsi_: no. then you get something called a bobbitted system |
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| 12:01.30 | simonrvn | !bobbitt |
| 12:01.30 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 12:01.57 | simonrvn | adverb* |
| 12:02.03 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.06 | semen | I'll bobbitt you, sucka! |
| 12:02.38 | cyzie | blacke, thanks to u too |
| 12:02.42 | pepsi_ | hmmmm........... |
| 12:03.06 | simonrvn | paulswm: nah, going to sleep soon. thanks anyway ;) |
| 12:03.23 | pepsi_ | simonrvn: An unstable system can get harmed if stable packages are installed?!? |
| 12:03.41 | paulswm | simonrvn: I got a page at 0200, been unable to get back to sleep, now 0703 here :( |
| 12:03.48 | simonrvn | pepsi_: re-read what the bot said |
| 12:03.55 | polkah | nobody knows what happens to all the debian sites which don't work anymore for the weekend (www.us.debian.org is down too, so I can't get any information) |
| 12:04.03 | simonrvn | paulswm: same localtime |
| 12:04.10 | POVaddct | gotta go |
| 12:04.12 | paulswm | simonrvn: aaah |
| 12:04.13 | pepsi_ | I have never heard of any Lorena Bobbitt |
| 12:04.27 | simonrvn | pepsi_: then google it |
| 12:04.31 | semen | really ? |
| 12:04.49 | semen | where the hell do you reside ? |
| 12:04.51 | paulswm | pepsi_: it's a scary story |
| 12:04.52 | pepsi_ | hhmm.. I did.. horrifying |
| 12:04.54 | simonrvn | polkah: /topic |
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| 12:05.35 | NeoG | whats the command to check what kernel is running |
| 12:05.49 | simonrvn | uname -r gets you the version |
| 12:05.53 | NeoG | thanks |
| 12:05.59 | simonrvn | uname --help |
| 12:06.01 | paulswm | mixing distros is really a very bad idea, life is hard enough as it is |
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| 12:06.12 | polkah | simonrvn: yes, I read it, but it doesn't explain what happens, and I wanted to connect to people.debian.org, which is on the same server as packages.d.o ... I can wait but I'm curious so I would like to know what the problem is |
| 12:06.58 | simonrvn | polkah: something to do with powering down.. sec |
| 12:07.18 | simonrvn | grr, log rotated... |
| 12:07.33 | paulswm | !beat logrotate |
| 12:07.34 | polkah | ah ... |
| 12:07.50 | pepsi_ | simonrvn: This is the first time I use debian. I believe Ive done a mistake: I have installed stable/unstable/testing all over the place. Should I reinstall my entire system? |
| 12:08.39 | paulswm | pepsi_: if you can, start again and install sarge, it's probably quicker than trying to fix it |
| 12:09.01 | pepsi_ | I wouldnt dream of trying to fix it.. now I'm in deeep trouble =( |
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| 12:09.50 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro ) simonrvn: scheduled power outage... they're replacing a circuit or somethin |
| 12:10.07 | simonrvn | paulswm: no irssi's =) |
| 12:10.17 | simonrvn | pepsi_: um, yeh |
| 12:10.32 | simonrvn | pepsi_: be easier than trying to sot out all the deps |
| 12:10.35 | simonrvn | sort |
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| 12:11.11 | acido | Hola |
| 12:11.15 | acido | Alguien habla español? |
| 12:11.16 | paulswm | pepsi_: what sort of an internet connection do you have |
| 12:11.30 | lobomufas | acido: aqui me temo que no, mira debian-es ;) |
| 12:11.42 | pepsi_ | but, take the package bash for instance, that program should be quite stable, right (belong to stable)? Does it have a sibbling-package in unstable too? I mean, I wont run unstable if I cant use bash. |
| 12:11.43 | simonrvn | !spanish |
| 12:11.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:11.49 | pepsi_ | paulswm: 1 mbit permanent |
| 12:11.52 | acido | ¤lobomufas¤ gracias, eso es el servidor, o el canal? |
| 12:11.59 | cyzie | tso_, http://www.debian.org.hk/node/1067 <-=== is this page only for kde? im using icewm |
| 12:12.07 | ledet | acido: sdmksda fdh sd ghsd to you too |
| 12:12.18 | lobomufas | lol |
| 12:12.19 | ledet | !tell acido about spanish |
| 12:12.21 | paulswm | pepsi_: using a fairly standard ethernet card? |
| 12:12.35 | pepsi_ | paulswm: yeap |
| 12:13.03 | paulswm | pepsi_: so you can do a net install of sarge, prolly take you an hour |
| 12:13.05 | hearsay | Are the shortcuts in konqueror (activated with ctrl) customizable? |
| 12:13.06 | polkah | I wanted to test the debian installer this week, but the daily snapshots are avaible on people.d.o :'( |
| 12:13.15 | polkah | I didn't choose the good time |
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| 12:12.55 | pepsi_ | paulswm: okey.. well, I have set up stuff like fonts for X.. it took a while iirc |
| 12:12.55 | polkah | someone know where I can't get a recent snapshot of the debian installer ? |
| 12:13.05 | pepsi_ | paulswm: I guess I can save the /home partition |
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| 12:13.14 | simonrvn | pepsi_: yes |
| 12:13.18 | pepsi_ | paulswm: btw, answer yes to my "bash"-question and I'm very happy |
| 12:13.19 | paulswm | simonrvn: don't understand your msg re. irssi |
| 12:13.20 | pepsi_ | simonrvn: ok.. |
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| 12:13.35 | simonrvn | paulswm: irssi's log rotation script |
| 12:13.42 | paulswm | simonrvn: aaah |
| 12:14.21 | paulswm | pepsi_: install sarge, use bash, don't install sid (unstable) unless you are prepared to fix things if they break |
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| 12:15.49 | runedude_ | hi :) I have a question about X... |
| 12:15.50 | paulswm | pepsi_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:15.58 | pepsi_ | paulswm: excuse me if I'm slow, but does "install sarge" tell me to use unstable implicitly? I downloaded the sarge net-inst cd, booted, and (if i recall correctly) had the opertunity to choose stable packages. |
| 12:16.20 | paulswm | pepsi_: no, sarge is "testing" |
| 12:16.27 | runedude_ | I just cant really get it work properly, I ran xf86config and it didnt work.. I have a log outputted too http://www.runescapenation.org/xfree.log.. any ideas? |
| 12:16.36 | paulswm | pepsi_: the sarge install won't mix distros |
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| 12:16.47 | pepsi_ | paulswm: okey.. |
| 12:17.27 | paulswm | pepsi_: it'll all be fine, don't worry, be happy :) |
| 12:17.30 | pepsi_ | paulswm: is it wrong to say that one dist is richer than another? like, stable has bash, while testing has bash and xyz, which makes testing richer |
| 12:17.36 | pepsi_ | paulswm: hehe |
| 12:17.37 | Blissex | runedude_: odds are that you there is no point having GLIDE support in your server... |
| 12:17.47 | runedude_ | Blissex: how can I get glide working? :) |
| 12:18.06 | Blissex | runedude_: why why why do you want to get GLIDE working? |
| 12:18.18 | runedude_ | so I can run kde? |
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| 12:18.42 | tso_ | cyzie: no, that's not kde specific, that's wrote how to change locales to have chiniese support, after you made that changes don't forget to restart the X server |
| 12:18.43 | Blissex | runedude_: there is no relationship between the two. |
| 12:18.44 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, Testing, by that definition, is 'richer' than stable. However, Unstable, is not. The only real difference between Unstable and Testing, is not packages, but the fact that Unstable is prone to breakage. |
| 12:18.57 | runedude_ | Blissex: then.. why did you tell me ..? |
| 12:19.00 | acido | Cheers & bye |
| 12:19.02 | acido | :) |
| 12:19.03 | paulswm | pepsi_: stable tends to get behind the leading edge (like woody is now), testing is very stable generally for desktop use, unstable is usually OK but can get a bit rocky. testing is a good compromise between the latest stuff and a stable system, generally packages are only a couple of weeks behind unstable anyway |
| 12:19.14 | runedude_ | Blissex: what can I do to fix this? |
| 12:19.48 | Blissex | runedude_: your server does not start because you are telling it to load a GLIDE driver, and there is not GLIDE driver. usually there is no point to having GLIDE support. So just remove the line that tells the server to load the GLIDE driver. |
| 12:19.52 | pepsi_ | SiliconViper: paulswm: thank you! |
| 12:19.55 | runedude_ | I mean, is it something I need installed? Do I need to run updates again or something? |
| 12:20.00 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, And even then, there are almost NO packages that exist in Unstable, that don't exist in Testing. The difference is mostly versions. |
| 12:20.01 | runedude_ | ok |
| 12:20.04 | paulswm | pepsi_: you're more than welcome |
| 12:20.19 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, no problem. Always glad to help the willing! |
| 12:20.21 | NeoG | crap... i did a dist-upgrade from woody to sid, now i cant load gdm. when i try to login it restarts and goes back to the login screen |
| 12:20.28 | Blissex | runedude_: instead of the GLIDE driver you should load the driver for the chipset yoyu have actually got on your video card. |
| 12:20.42 | SiliconViper | NeoG, That's what you get for running Sid, silly. |
| 12:20.44 | Blissex | runedude_: or the VESA driver module, which works with just about any card. |
| 12:21.02 | paulswm | pepsi_: not the problem with going to sid (unstable), heh |
| 12:21.08 | paulswm | s/not/note/ |
| 12:21.13 | runedude_ | Blissex: can you pm me where I get that driver? :) |
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| 12:21.15 | NeoG | siliconviper: this is what i get after 2 people telling me to run sid instead of soody |
| 12:21.21 | NeoG | *woody |
| 12:21.30 | SiliconViper | NeoG, Why did you listen? |
| 12:21.33 | pepsi_ | :) I cant decide if I should be happy or sad. I have now better understanding (which is good), but I now understand that I should redo my entire installation (which is bad) |
| 12:21.41 | NeoG | because this is the first time ive used debian |
| 12:21.42 | runedude_ | aha! |
| 12:21.43 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.43 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:21.44 | Blissex | runedude_: all the supported drivers for X are included in the standard X install. |
| 12:21.46 | SiliconViper | Are you sure they were not telling you to use Sarge? |
| 12:21.58 | Blissex | runedude_: change that "glide" to "vesa" |
| 12:21.59 | NeoG | no they said sid |
| 12:22.03 | runedude_ | ok:)) |
| 12:22.05 | paulswm | pepsi_: because it is screwed up and the certain way to fix it is to reinstall |
| 12:22.08 | NeoG | specifically i wanted to run 2.6.10 |
| 12:22.09 | SiliconViper | NeoG, First time user? Sarge, all the way. |
| 12:22.12 | SiliconViper | !sid upgrade |
| 12:22.12 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 12:22.26 | Blissex | runedude_: but it would probably be better if you did a configuration specific to your video card. |
| 12:22.26 | NeoG | dammit.. |
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| 12:22.42 | NeoG | i'll have to give somebody a blast about it |
| 12:22.44 | pepsi_ | paulswm: I know what need to be done :) I not happy about it though :] |
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| 12:23.14 | runedude_ | (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes |
| 12:23.14 | runedude_ | (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libvgahw.a |
| 12:23.14 | runedude_ | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 12:23.20 | ekaf | blast yourself man |
| 12:23.23 | runedude_ | i think those are the only EE's |
| 12:23.24 | pepsi_ | If I should reinstall, do you reccomend me to go for xorg or xfree? I've heard so much good and bad about both |
| 12:23.35 | Blissex | pepsi_: you dont need to redo your whole installation, just be a bit careful and learn a bit more. |
| 12:23.48 | ekaf | ive never even used linux at all ut i know sid is unstable |
| 12:23.53 | paulswm | pepsi_: you can always save off /etc somewhere. Don't copy it back after install, but you can always use it as a reference for settings |
| 12:24.03 | Blissex | pepsi_: you could also go for a Debian derived distro that is more suited to beginners, like Libranet or Kanotix. |
| 12:24.07 | pepsi_ | paulswm: true. |
| 12:24.20 | runedude_ | Blissex: any ideas on those errors? |
| 12:24.23 | SiliconViper | !xorg |
| 12:24.23 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 12:24.29 | Blissex | runedude_: "no matching modes" means you need to define your monitor appropriately. |
| 12:24.45 | runedude_ | Blissex: hmm, its a old monitor, im not sure what to put for it |
| 12:24.51 | pepsi_ | SiliconViper: oh, I see |
| 12:24.53 | Blissex | runedude_: the basic problem is that your X configuration is probably completely wrong... |
| 12:24.58 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, ^_^ |
| 12:25.00 | runedude_ | hmm eh? |
| 12:25.07 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, I'd wait for it. |
| 12:25.20 | Blissex | runedude_: use one of the X configuration generators to create a new one. |
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| 12:25.31 | runedude_ | Blissex: xf86config? |
| 12:25.33 | Blissex | runedude_: however you need to know which video card and type of monitor you got |
| 12:25.35 | SiliconViper | The transition is pretty painless, and you'll be able to get XFree working easier, anyways. |
| 12:25.50 | runedude_ | I know what video card I have |
| 12:25.52 | runedude_ | My monitor is a old CompUSA PC one |
| 12:25.53 | pepsi_ | SiliconViper: ok, good to know. |
| 12:25.53 | Blissex | runedude_: xf86config is OK, also 'xf86cfg -nw' and so on. |
| 12:26.01 | SiliconViper | runedude_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 12:26.12 | tarzeau | i'm glad it didn't come out like http://comic.ch/images/1954-2004_Computer.jpg |
| 12:26.13 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, Glad to help, sir. |
| 12:26.19 | runedude_ | ah |
| 12:26.22 | runedude_ | ill try that |
| 12:26.24 | runedude_ | thank you guys |
| 12:26.25 | Blissex | runedude_: lets first try to find out exactly which card and monitor your have or something similar. |
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| 12:26.38 | paulswm | pepsi_: sarge won't give you xorg, stay with what sarge gives you |
| 12:26.39 | tarzeau | haha "the computer will be easy to use"! an Fortran... lol |
| 12:26.48 | runedude_ | Blissex: i know exactly what video card i have, but im clueless on monitor |
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| 12:27.06 | Blissex | runedude_: which card you got? what model number is your monitor? (or at least, how old and how many inches) |
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| 12:27.14 | paulswm | pepsi_: do *not* mix distros unless your life or business absolutely depends on it is my advice |
| 12:27.19 | runedude_ | NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 video card |
| 12:27.20 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, Try to avoid using packages outside of the Sarge repository, unless you are prepared for craziness. |
| 12:27.25 | runedude_ | monitor .. dunno really |
| 12:27.26 | pmfp | I finally got into my server, but get these messages when trying to run anything (w, ps aux, etc): -bash: /bin/ps: Too many open files in system |
| 12:27.28 | pmfp | even for su |
| 12:27.35 | SiliconViper | paulswm, ;p Same idea! |
| 12:27.46 | paulswm | !beer SiliconViper |
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| 12:27.51 | SiliconViper | Great minds.... wait, that doesn't have anything to do with me. |
| 12:28.03 | paulswm | SiliconViper: fools rarely differ |
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| 12:28.09 | Blissex | runedude_: can you have a lookbehind the monuitor and check the label? |
| 12:28.10 | SiliconViper | ^-^ |
| 12:28.19 | runedude_ | ah |
| 12:28.19 | kzar | I have a "Integrated Technology Express 8212" raid card from looking at lspci, not really how to get started in setting it up? |
| 12:28.20 | runedude_ | yes |
| 12:28.20 | runedude_ | ok |
| 12:28.22 | pmfp | what should I do? |
| 12:28.23 | SiliconViper | Good plan, pepsi_ |
| 12:28.24 | paulswm | !win pepsi_ |
| 12:28.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, pepsi_! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 12:28.54 | pepsi_ | I would be lost w/o you hehe |
| 12:29.50 | SiliconViper | That's what we're here for! |
| 12:29.50 | orfeu | how i install nvidia drivers with apt-get ? i have sarge !? |
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| 12:29.50 | paulswm | pepsi_: we feel strongly about some stuff because we have been through it, pepsi_ |
| 12:29.50 | SiliconViper | orfeu, you need to add the non-free repository, and apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 12:29.53 | runedude_ | Blissex: its a cpc-7861 |
| 12:29.59 | orfeu | SiliconViper thnks |
| 12:30.00 | SiliconViper | paulswm, I'll drink to that! |
| 12:30.08 | Blissex | runedude_: i'll do a web search... |
| 12:30.12 | SiliconViper | orfeu, No problem! |
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| 12:30.39 | runedude_ | what should My "Bus Identifier" be? |
| 12:30.47 | runedude_ | bustype:bus:device:function |
| 12:30.49 | SiliconViper | orfeu, make sure you apt-get update after adding non-free. |
| 12:30.56 | SiliconViper | runedude_, leave it blank. |
| 12:31.03 | Blissex | runedude_: if you have single card dont specify it. |
| 12:31.06 | SiliconViper | It'll default to something that doesn't suck. |
| 12:31.07 | runedude_ | alright:)) |
| 12:31.13 | SiliconViper | ^_^ |
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| 12:32.03 | ekaf | hey how do you shutdown a debian box? |
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| 12:32.10 | pepsi_ | paulswm: SiliconViper: I'll go and grep out our chat from my logs.. thx again, cya |
| 12:32.16 | ekaf | do i need to dismount partitions etc first? |
| 12:32.23 | SiliconViper | pepsi_, Anytime! |
| 12:32.34 | SiliconViper | ekaf: type 'shutdown' |
| 12:32.40 | SiliconViper | ekaf: or 'halt' |
| 12:32.42 | Blissex | runedude_: what you got to specify is to use the 'nv' driver, and then say you have a generic 17" monitor capable of 1280x1024 up to 60Hz. |
| 12:32.51 | ekaf | thx SiliconViper :) |
| 12:32.51 | SiliconViper | ekaf: You shouldn't have to manually unmount. |
| 12:32.55 | runedude_ | ok |
| 12:32.57 | ekaf | cool |
| 12:33.05 | SiliconViper | ekaf: Glad to be useful! |
| 12:33.17 | ekaf | hey thers a good idea |
| 12:33.29 | SiliconViper | Herm? |
| 12:34.27 | ekaf | how do i start an irc client so i can come in here when im running debian and dont know wtf im doing? ;) |
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| 12:34.46 | SiliconViper | apt-get install bitchx? |
| 12:34.55 | ekaf | :) |
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| 12:35.00 | ekaf | more good advice |
| 12:35.03 | SiliconViper | Or, apt-get install xchat, if you have a gui up. |
| 12:35.05 | ekaf | thx again |
| 12:35.11 | SiliconViper | No worries! |
| 12:35.12 | ekaf | yeh i will have a gui |
| 12:35.22 | SiliconViper | Then xchat. |
| 12:35.23 | alemao | who knows the package which contains FONTENC for LATEX? [apt-cache search wont find] |
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| 12:35.24 | ekaf | ill try xchat while im a n00b still |
| 12:35.41 | SiliconViper | alemao, check 'tetex', I think. |
| 12:35.50 | SiliconViper | ekaf: I use xchat. |
| 12:35.57 | SiliconViper | xchat 2.4.1 |
| 12:36.12 | runedude_ | Blissex: use kernel framebuffer device interface? |
| 12:36.30 | caphuso | alemao: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:36.33 | ekaf | heh i dunno sometimes i get the impression all you linux gurus are anti-gui |
| 12:36.37 | SiliconViper | runedude_, with an nvidia card? I'd avoid it. |
| 12:36.37 | ekaf | guess i was wrong! |
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| 12:36.41 | Blissex | runedude_: with a 5200 you should use the 'nv' driver. |
| 12:36.51 | SiliconViper | ekaf: Nope! |
| 12:36.57 | SiliconViper | ekaf: http://siliconviper.whatthefork.org/screenshots/lo/debian-0003-improved.png |
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| 12:37.27 | deadcat | SiliconViper: not bad bg. |
| 12:37.36 | SiliconViper | deadcat, thanks! I like it. |
| 12:37.37 | runedude_ | mouse port? |
| 12:37.44 | runedude_ | will /dev/psaux work? |
| 12:37.44 | deadcat | SiliconViper: have 1280x1024? |
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| 12:37.52 | Twitching_Fool | oh god. arint bugs in code using random numbers great? |
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| 12:37.58 | SiliconViper | deadcat, 1280x960, I run. |
| 12:38.10 | SiliconViper | 1280x1024 is a nasty ratio |
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| 12:38.16 | raf256 | wazup |
| 12:38.35 | SiliconViper | The topic seems to be 'up', as in, near the top of my screen. |
| 12:38.40 | raf256 | can I write shell on top of bash? |
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| 12:38.47 | deadcat | SiliconViper: doh. i am on (1280x1024)x2 hard to find this size |
| 12:38.50 | SiliconViper | raf256, as in, shellscript? |
| 12:38.57 | SiliconViper | raf256, sure you can!@ |
| 12:39.01 | raf256 | program that will read commends, check if there are valid, and then pass this commend into bash |
| 12:39.01 | SiliconViper | *-@ |
| 12:39.04 | deadcat | raf256: as in bash on top of bash yes |
| 12:39.07 | Blissex | runedude_: if you have a PS2 mouse port, '/dev/psaux' seems OK. |
| 12:39.12 | runedude_ | ok Blissex |
| 12:39.15 | runedude_ | actually i have a USB mouse |
| 12:39.19 | SiliconViper | runedude_, Use /dev/input/mice |
| 12:39.24 | runedude_ | meh |
| 12:39.25 | SiliconViper | Even if you have PS/2 |
| 12:39.26 | ekaf | sili is that your desktop? |
| 12:39.28 | Blissex | runedude_: then it is not that good an idea... :-) |
| 12:39.34 | runedude_ | ok |
| 12:39.35 | runedude_ | :p |
| 12:39.39 | SiliconViper | /dev/psaux is all old and depreciated, I hear. |
| 12:39.53 | SiliconViper | ekaf, It is! |
| 12:40.14 | ekaf | on a mac then? |
| 12:40.20 | ekaf | what is that gui? |
| 12:40.29 | ekaf | it looks bloody nice |
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| 12:40.31 | raf256 | in example - I want user only to be able to use "ls" "cd" "povray" "pwd", so my script will read input, check do it match permited commends (also watch out for && || and ; that can span multiply commends" and then pass this commend into bash. then I want to set this script as a login shell for some restricted users |
| 12:40.39 | SiliconViper | ekaf, No sir! I am on Debian GNU/Linux, on an Athlon. No Mac for me! |
| 12:40.48 | SiliconViper | Although.... I want a Mac Mini.... |
| 12:40.53 | runedude_ | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 12:40.57 | deadcat | ekaf: thats the "aqua" theme. |
| 12:40.57 | runedude_ | error^ |
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| 12:41.03 | SiliconViper | Sexy G4 chips... |
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| 12:41.11 | ghost212 | Welcome |
| 12:41.18 | deadcat | SiliconViper: ppc hardware is actually really nice |
| 12:41.33 | SiliconViper | deadcat, Actually, a tweaked variation of Aqua, actually. |
| 12:41.43 | deadcat | SiliconViper: i was one of those guys who go "fuck apple hardware" |
| 12:41.49 | SiliconViper | deadcat, Oh, I know it. I know it.... That's why I want a Mac. |
| 12:41.54 | alemao | raf256: i think this is not the best way |
| 12:42.01 | SiliconViper | Oh, I have loads of respect for Apple Hardware. |
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| 12:42.07 | SiliconViper | I just can't afford it. ;p |
| 12:42.12 | runedude_ | Blissex: is FX not supported? |
| 12:42.19 | SiliconViper | The Mini puts one in my pricerange, for once. |
| 12:42.19 | runedude_ | I did find a Linux driver on their website |
| 12:42.29 | ekaf | yeh mac stuff rocks but for something 110% of amd/intel you pay 300% |
| 12:42.32 | Blissex | runedude_: FX is supported by 'nv'. |
| 12:42.35 | deadcat | SiliconViper: i love apple hardware. but i cant stand the aqua theme now. actually doesnt look that nice since the round corners look kinna bad |
| 12:42.36 | SiliconViper | runedude_, I have an FX5200, and it works fine. |
| 12:42.43 | EmleyMoor | Anyone able to advise me what to do to get round unknown symbols in the slamr modem driver? |
| 12:42.44 | runedude_ | Blissex: doesnt seem to be working properly then |
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| 12:42.56 | SiliconViper | deadcat, Well, to each his own. I love it. |
| 12:42.56 | Azar | how hard on a scale from 1 to 10 would be for a beginner to install XFree86-4 ? |
| 12:42.59 | Blissex | depends however how old your X is... |
| 12:43.00 | ghost212 | I need some help, who can tell me how can I add IP and MAC address my friend??? i think in iptables... but how?? My one friend blocked this IP and I want now to unblock... PLS HELP |
| 12:43.07 | SiliconViper | Azar, Heya. |
| 12:43.13 | Blissex | ghost212: 'ifconfig' |
| 12:43.16 | Azar | hi SiliconViper :) |
| 12:43.16 | SiliconViper | Azar, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:43.19 | runedude_ | (II) NV: driver for NVIDIA chipsets: RIVA128, RIVATNT, RIVATNT2, |
| 12:43.19 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.19 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.19 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.19 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:43.24 | SiliconViper | Azar, That easy. |
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| 12:43.31 | runedude_ | whoops, im sorry |
| 12:43.35 | deadcat | SiliconViper: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/ibook.800/ but apache seems to be messed up on this version. |
| 12:43.35 | runedude_ | i thought it was all in 1 line |
| 12:43.36 | runedude_ | :/ |
| 12:43.57 | Azar | SiliconViper, that sounds good comparing with what I was trying http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/Install4.html#7 , thank you |
| 12:44.13 | SiliconViper | Azar, Yeah.... Debian takes away the pain. |
| 12:44.17 | SiliconViper | Makes it all better. |
| 12:44.25 | simonrvn | runedude_: excuses excuses :P |
| 12:44.34 | runedude_ | Blissex: maybe i should try the graphics driver provided from nvidia? |
| 12:44.41 | Azar | ok going for it |
| 12:44.50 | Blissex | runedude_: that can be rather complicated to setup. |
| 12:44.55 | deadcat | bah. i wish i can just use the NV driver. nvidia sucks... atleast for now. |
| 12:44.59 | SiliconViper | runedude_, That works, but the 'nv' driver does too, until you want GL. |
| 12:45.07 | runedude_ | well |
| 12:45.10 | ghost212 | Blissex look at priv... |
| 12:45.10 | mh_le | does anyone know why the nvidia drivers make my laptop halt when X tries to use them? |
| 12:45.14 | runedude_ | nv isnt working for me unfortunatly |
| 12:45.24 | Blissex | runedude_: then you have a rather old version of X |
| 12:45.24 | runedude_ | want me to output my log again? |
| 12:45.25 | SiliconViper | runedude_, then use the non-free drivers..... |
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| 12:45.36 | davi | Does linux kernel 2.6.10 support bttv TV ? |
| 12:45.36 | deadcat | runedude_: knock yourself out |
| 12:45.37 | runedude_ | Blissex: can I get a new one? |
| 12:45.39 | Blissex | ghost212: you shouldnt be sending priv messages without asking first... |
| 12:45.41 | deadcat | davi: ya |
| 12:45.46 | davi | thanks deadcat |
| 12:45.55 | Blissex | ghost212: aslo, ask in #iptables for 'iptables' specific setup. |
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| 12:46.03 | raf256 | alemao: what would YOu suggest then, to restrict access |
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| 12:46.09 | ghost212 | ok |
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| 12:46.15 | raf256 | to programs and bash commends |
| 12:46.25 | raf256 | and also to do some manualy checking of parameters |
| 12:46.29 | deadcat | raf256: bash -r |
| 12:46.40 | EmleyMoor | davi: Yes |
| 12:46.41 | runedude_ | ok |
| 12:46.47 | EmleyMoor | oops, well late |
| 12:46.49 | SiliconViper | Anyways... it's coming up on 5am.... I need my sleep. Gotta get up early tomorrow. |
| 12:46.49 | runedude_ | try this: http://www.runescapenation.org/xfree.log |
| 12:46.52 | caphuso | "bash -r" is useless, if suggested to someone who has to ask how to set it up |
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| 12:46.54 | Blissex | runedude_: if you are running the official Debian, which is 'stable', getting a newer X release is a bit painful. |
| 12:46.58 | SiliconViper | Night everyone! |
| 12:47.08 | raf256 | hmm.. if I just wire a file that reads from standard input, and then system(); calls the text - it will work as a very very prymitive bash (without cd commend etc)? |
| 12:47.08 | deadcat | almost 5 here as well |
| 12:47.16 | raf256 | if I wil set this program as a loginshell |
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| 12:47.23 | runedude_ | Blissex: :( i am using the latest version of debian, i just burned the cdyesterday |
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| 12:47.27 | Blissex | runedude_: you have several options: leave everything as it is and use the 'vesa' driver instead, which will be a bit slower is the easiest. |
| 12:47.42 | Silversnake | what is the stable version of debian: 3.0, jigdo o sarge? |
| 12:47.45 | runedude_ | Blissex: meh. let me try vesa first:) |
| 12:47.52 | Blissex | runedude_: but the latest _official_ version is very old :-( |
| 12:48.01 | vulture | raf256: very primitive I suppose, not even piping or anything.. and without cd and other basics it's not going to be much use.. |
| 12:48.03 | SiliconViper | Silversnake, 'Woody' is stable. |
| 12:48.04 | vulture | raf256: why? |
| 12:48.13 | cyzie_ | If you are using "startx" to start X Window, type "export LANG=zh_TW.Big5" before "startx". <== where is startx located/??? |
| 12:48.19 | raf256 | vulture: to have very restrective ssh acccess |
| 12:48.53 | caphuso | raf256: why? |
| 12:48.55 | vulture | raf256: don't see how that'd help.. unless you set the rest of your system permissions to _very_ odd values then the user can just execute bash from your 'sillyshell' |
| 12:48.57 | raf256 | one use could be: cin>>commend; mail("admin@localhost","can he execute commend"+commend+"?"); |
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| 12:49.15 | runedude_ | great. |
| 12:49.17 | runedude_ | (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes |
| 12:49.18 | runedude_ | :/ |
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| 12:49.20 | vulture | raf256: seems like a waste of time.. |
| 12:49.21 | raf256 | while (!admin_had_answared()) ; if (admin_had_answared_yes()) system(commend); |
| 12:49.33 | Blissex | runedude_: that's probably because your monitor description is not good. |
| 12:49.33 | vulture | raf256: I'd hate to be that admin. |
| 12:49.33 | caphuso | it's "command" |
| 12:49.40 | vulture | and what caphuso said |
| 12:49.43 | Blissex | runedude_: post again your log |
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| 12:49.51 | raf256 | vulture: there will be perhaps one request per day |
| 12:50.21 | raf256 | vulture: access to all compilers, and running manualy uploaded files will be denied also |
| 12:50.24 | vulture | raf256: seems unlikely. but I don't see why you wouldn't just make them a normal user with a normal shell |
| 12:50.26 | runedude_ | Blissex: http://runescapenation.org/xfree.log |
| 12:50.32 | caphuso | raf256: would you allow the use of the rename command? |
| 12:50.34 | vulture | raf256: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 12:51.04 | davi | Can I use the kernel-package make-kpkg command to build the kernel.org 2.6.10 source tree ? |
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| 12:51.09 | raf256 | vulture: two things 1) acconunt from with I can only run povray renderer on uploaded file (and use ls pwd tgz rm mkdir mv) |
| 12:51.36 | raf256 | ...and I want this ssh to be totally unexploitable (assuming povray itself dont have exploits and is it restricted) |
| 12:51.39 | SiliconViper | cyzie_, type 'which startx' |
| 12:52.28 | EmleyMoor | davi: Yes, you can |
| 12:52.33 | vulture | raf256: nothing is unexploitable.. and ls/pwd/tgz/rm/mkdir/mv could be.. |
| 12:52.44 | Blissex | runedude_: it looks like you re running under VMware... |
| 12:52.44 | vulture | raf256: and what's the point of pwd if you can't change working directory? :) |
| 12:52.49 | raf256 | 2) to have root account on a server, I will basicly work from other terminal but every commend will have to be manualy apptoved in example by admin presing enter or something... yes perhaps its wired a bit, but.... :) |
| 12:53.02 | runedude_ | Blissex: yes, just to fix things up :) then im going to reboot and boot from the disk |
| 12:53.07 | caphuso | it's completely fucked up |
| 12:53.11 | caphuso | not "wired" |
| 12:53.12 | vulture | raf256: yes, it's weird, and as far as I can see, still quite pointless |
| 12:53.14 | raf256 | its mostly just art for art of beeing very secure |
| 12:53.16 | caphuso | and is still isn't COMMEND! |
| 12:53.22 | runedude_ | Blissex: I setup vmware to run from the psyhical disk |
| 12:53.33 | runedude_ | so i can make changes |
| 12:53.39 | davi | thanks EmleyMoor |
| 12:53.43 | vulture | raf256: that's not the way to get security - you want to try something for security, try a chroot like all the little kiddies are trying these days |
| 12:53.50 | Blissex | runedude_: running under VMware requires a completely different configuration from the one you need without, because VMware simulates a completely different video card, not a 5200. |
| 12:53.54 | runedude_ | ok |
| 12:53.56 | runedude_ | hehe |
| 12:53.57 | kzar | If i do manage to probe the right modules for my raid card, how do I know its worked? Does the device show up somewhere in /proc or somthing? |
| 12:54.02 | runedude_ | let me reboot and get on irssi |
| 12:54.04 | runedude_ | and btw |
| 12:54.06 | paulswm | nothing is _completely_ secure |
| 12:54.09 | runedude_ | this is a shell so i wont disconnect |
| 12:54.13 | runedude_ | so if you need me pm me. brb |
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| 12:54.18 | paulswm | any lock can be picked with a big enough hammer |
| 12:54.27 | raf256 | vulture: assume YOu work as a root on a server - from Yours laptop (because server do not have monitor attached). Now, what if laptop had been exploited and attacker would keylogg root password and tell laptop to send "rm -rf /" commend instead |
| 12:54.55 | vulture | raf256: I don't see how this has anything to do with that. |
| 12:55.04 | caphuso | raf256: uh |
| 12:55.16 | caphuso | raf256: if he gets root access over ssh, you lost |
| 12:55.16 | vulture | if you need root access to box A from box B then it's inevitable |
| 12:55.21 | raf256 | vulture: since commends would be double-checked on server before running them it will help a lot |
| 12:55.28 | Davidcc6 | runedude_, vmware have own drivers for the virtual machins |
| 12:55.35 | caphuso | raf256: no matter what cute little wannabe shell you have |
| 12:55.37 | Davidcc6 | runedude_, look the menu |
| 12:55.45 | raf256 | but root access only to my this paranoidsecure shell with will deny any strange actions |
| 12:55.50 | caphuso | raf256: no, it won't |
| 12:56.01 | raf256 | or print them out on a printer and wait 30 sec. before executing them and so on |
| 12:56.02 | vulture | raf256: ok, so you have root access to the laptop, from there you login to your pseudoshell on the server, and if you execute a command it does what? sends mail to the laptop? |
| 12:56.06 | raf256 | caphuso: why it wont? |
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| 12:56.20 | caphuso | raf256: because he can simpy start another shell instead of your one |
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| 12:56.27 | raf256 | vulture: it could print commend on printer, or festival say it |
| 12:56.35 | raf256 | wait 10 seconds, then execute it |
| 12:56.37 | vulture | raf256: which would achieve what exactly? |
| 12:56.43 | caphuso | cluebies.. |
| 12:56.44 | caphuso | . |
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| 12:57.00 | vulture | caphuso: that's giving him too much credit |
| 12:57.01 | addNtoX | hi fokls |
| 12:57.06 | addNtoX | j #wardriving |
| 12:57.09 | caphuso | if you want people to run povray, write a web interface for uploading a file. problem solved |
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| 12:57.17 | addNtoX | ups :) |
| 12:57.17 | asg | addNtoX: try #warcouching |
| 12:57.24 | raf256 | well, if I would hear that server had just recive "rm -rf /" commend and will execute it in 10 seconds, I wull unplug the power or press key to terminate remote root logins and kill sshd |
| 12:57.30 | caphuso | and don't try to be more clever than 30 years of experienced unix developers |
| 12:57.34 | addNtoX | asg: lol |
| 12:57.38 | caphuso | because you're not |
| 12:57.40 | raf256 | s/wull/would |
| 12:57.51 | asg | addNtoX: there are 6 aps (not counting my own) in reach of my sofa. |
| 12:57.51 | caphuso | raf256: muahahaha |
| 12:58.01 | vulture | caphuso: amusing.. if it weren't so painful |
| 12:58.06 | caphuso | ok... s/cluebie/dumb/ |
| 12:58.12 | raf256 | caphuso: thats and excelent argument! You make Your point. |
| 12:58.22 | vulture | raf256: and if you aren't home? if your printer is out of paper? if the attacker has the faintest clue about how to probe a system? |
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| 12:58.29 | vulture | didn't I make that point some time ago.. |
| 12:58.31 | Mistii | Hello all :) |
| 12:58.32 | raf256 | vulture: I will only work from home |
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| 12:58.45 | vulture | 23:48 < vulture> raf256: don't see how that'd help.. unless you set the rest of your system permissions to _very_ odd values then the |
| 12:58.48 | vulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.52 | caphuso | raf256: but you manage to get to your server to unplug the powercable in 10 seconds? |
| 12:59.03 | Mistii | Anyone want to help a total newbie to debian with a couple questions? =) |
| 12:59.03 | caphuso | from your home? |
| 12:59.07 | vulture | 10 minutes ago no less |
| 12:59.11 | caphuso | s/dumb/full of shit/ |
| 12:59.13 | vulture | caphuso: I assume the server is at his home |
| 12:59.15 | raf256 | caphuso:in 2 seconds, I sit onfront of server, only it dont have a monitor |
| 12:59.20 | addNtoX | asg: do you know why i get the message : SIOCSIFHWADDR : Cannot assign requested address when i try to change my mac address? |
| 12:59.26 | vulture | Mistii: ask specific questions, if someone can answer they will |
| 13:00.07 | runedude_ | ok guys |
| 13:00.10 | runedude_ | im on debian :/ |
| 13:00.15 | caphuso | raf256: oh, we're talking little box you and maybe one or two of your friends have accounts on? |
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| 13:00.22 | raf256 | vulture: so using this simple and brutal methot, even stilling root password will get nothing |
| 13:00.24 | Mistii | Ok :) In terminal, I have some files on my mounted drives that I want to move over to a diffrent drives (Both are hooked up and all), Would it be best to just do the "cp blahblah" thing, or is there a way to move them? |
| 13:00.26 | raf256 | caphuso: yes. |
| 13:00.26 | caphuso | i thought you'd be serious |
| 13:00.26 | runedude_ | what program do I run to config again? |
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| 13:01.00 | drac | runedude_: what config? |
| 13:01.01 | asg | addNtoX: could be one of a ton of reasons. Is the interface up while you are trying to do this? is the drive loaded? |
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| 13:01.11 | runedude_ | drac: nvm |
| 13:01.15 | raf256 | vulture: this method is not comfortable, but... there just isnt any way of running commend via sshd without knowlage of the admin |
| 13:01.18 | caphuso | raf256: well, tell your friends i wish them best luck fucking your "security" up, just for the fun of it |
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| 13:01.27 | vulture | raf256: it's simple and stupid, not brutal. and if he's exploited your laptop he'll get your server sooner or later. Is your server really worth so much more than your laptop? |
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| 13:01.31 | EC]-[M1074 | http://www.ro4r.com/v2 ---- DOWNLOAD 1001 LIVE SET!!! |
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| 13:01.37 | raf256 | caphuso: you have had a bad day at work, have You |
| 13:01.37 | EC]-[M1074 | http://www.ro4r.com/v2 ---- DOWNLOAD 1001 LIVE SET!!! |
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| 13:01.53 | caphuso | raf256: nah, i'm on vacation |
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| 13:02.02 | vulture | raf256: sure there is. you could scp files back and forth without ever worrying about the login shell.. |
| 13:02.08 | raf256 | vulture: server is mine, |
| 13:02.16 | vulture | raf256: that doesn't answer my question |
| 13:02.17 | addNtoX | asg: no, it's down |
| 13:02.19 | raf256 | but laptoip is owned but several ppls and is easy to exploit |
| 13:02.24 | addNtoX | and it is in managed mode |
| 13:02.26 | EmleyMoor | I have even tried a newer version of the slmodem driver now - still the same unknown symbols |
| 13:02.36 | raf256 | vulture: scp to root will be dissallowed |
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| 13:02.48 | caphuso | if it wouldn't be pointless, i'd suggest selinux |
| 13:02.50 | vulture | raf256: just because several people have access to a box doesn't mean that it's easy to exploit.. |
| 13:03.05 | raf256 | vulture: probably ony I would have the access |
| 13:03.12 | runedude_ | Blissex: well |
| 13:03.16 | runedude_ | still not worknig Blissex |
| 13:03.24 | raf256 | vulture: not that I think there will be a need for such security, but I want to do it for fun |
| 13:03.28 | vulture | raf256: just because I haven't looked at ssh configs - how do you plan to disable scp? |
| 13:03.29 | asg | addNtoX: well, try fully removing the module, modprobing it again, and trying to set the MAC. |
| 13:03.38 | Blissex | runedude_: log please... |
| 13:03.42 | runedude_ | Blissex: k. |
| 13:03.43 | asg | addNtoX: otherwise, I don't have an idea what the issue is. |
| 13:03.45 | addNtoX | asg: ok, i try |
| 13:03.52 | vulture | raf256: then do something REAL for fun instead of this sillyness - at least don't try to dillude yourself that what you are currently doing has anything to do with security |
| 13:03.53 | raf256 | vulture: it is not possible to disable scp? |
| 13:03.53 | addNtoX | thank you very much :) |
| 13:04.02 | vulture | any more than a little lock on someone's diary |
| 13:04.17 | EmleyMoor | Could having snd-intel8x0m "get in the way" of slamr? |
| 13:04.26 | raf256 | vulture: so how would You exploit such lock if YOu would have chroot on the laptop as well as root password to server |
| 13:04.31 | Blissex | EmleyMoor: yes. |
| 13:04.43 | vulture | raf256: I'm not aware of a way to disable scp while leaving ssh enabled, since scp goes over ssh anyway |
| 13:04.46 | Blissex | EmleyMoor: but also note that 'slamr' is not that reliable... |
| 13:04.48 | simonrvn | chroot on a lappy? wth |
| 13:04.58 | EmleyMoor | Blissex: Could it cause "unknown symbol" errors? |
| 13:05.04 | raf256 | vulture: ok but assuming it is done, then... |
| 13:05.07 | runedude_ | Blissex: http://runescapenation.org/xfree.log |
| 13:05.11 | vulture | raf256: also.. ssh can execute an arbitrary command without executing the login shell.. I believe.. perhaps it always executes the login shell first.. |
| 13:05.14 | Blissex | EmleyMoor: not likely. |
| 13:05.19 | EmleyMoor | Blissex: It will hardly ever be used... |
| 13:05.26 | vulture | nope: " If command is specified, command is executed on the remote host instead of a login shell." |
| 13:05.31 | vulture | from man ssh |
| 13:05.40 | asg | simonrvn: night (btw, I have 4 chroots setup on this lappy :p) |
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| 13:06.00 | simonrvn | asg: build machine i bet |
| 13:06.04 | jethro | zz-land is where the zz-top came from? |
| 13:06.07 | raf256 | vulture: ok. so - I would run own service, using SSL to recive commends. then commends will be checked against some tryvial things like "rm -rf /", |
| 13:06.13 | asg | simonrvn: no, mirrors of some of our critical servers |
| 13:06.17 | vulture | raf256: in short: using a program to remove permissions is futile. Use permissions to manage permissions. |
| 13:06.22 | simonrvn | aah :) |
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| 13:06.34 | raf256 | and then execute with some delay, and when it's working hours (Im in front of the server), and so on |
| 13:06.41 | EmleyMoor | Blissex: Is that "not likely" as in "maybe but I doubt it", or "not likely" as in "almost certainly not"? (no need to answer if you don't want to) |
| 13:06.44 | asg | simonrvn: there have been times (due to power issues) I've run the college's DNS from the laptop for a few hours or so. |
| 13:06.48 | Blissex | runedude_: switch to the 'vesa' driver from 'nv', you forgot |
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| 13:07.10 | runedude_ | Blissex: do i need to do the config all over? |
| 13:07.20 | runedude_ | or just "change" nv to vesa? |
| 13:07.31 | Blissex | runedude_: no, just the driver name. |
| 13:07.33 | raf256 | vulture: so how would You brake into such service - that recivecs commends via SSL (using some password), then check if tihs commedn is "ok", then read/print it, wait a bit, and executeit |
| 13:07.34 | runedude_ | ok |
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| 13:07.57 | shadebob | hi, just a question... For you what is the most secure Webmail? |
| 13:08.22 | vulture | raf256: depends on what logic it used to decide what was "ok" but I guarantee you wouldn't get bulletproof logic the way you are going. And besides - if you can do anything useful with the system, so can the attacker (assuming they have the knowledge you do, ie: your password).. |
| 13:08.35 | kzar | I'm just installing the kernel source so that a module I want to compile can look at it, do I need to copy the config used to compile the kernel-image package to the source directory? (i just apt-get installed the kernel image instead of compiling it ) |
| 13:08.46 | runedude_ | Blissex: i changed it, error again, and well, um, I uploaded the log again: runescapenation.org/xfree.log |
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| 13:09.59 | raf256 | vulture: ok, it will check if my USB key with password is inserted (I will insert it only while doing some root stuff), and it will delay 5 seconds for regular commends (cp ls mv) and 10 for dangerous commends, while festival-saying them and also logging them to printer. I think that would be quite secure and quite comfortable |
| 13:10.15 | caphuso | oh god |
| 13:10.30 | vulture | raf256: Ok, let's be clear. It'd be fucking stupid, as would anything you've suggested. |
| 13:10.48 | caphuso | raf256: you're full of shit. please leave the channel |
| 13:10.52 | raf256 | vulture: that alo is an incredible valid argument |
| 13:10.54 | paulswm | caphuso: yup, it's still going on |
| 13:11.33 | caphuso | if you don't want people to have shell access, don't give them shell acess. problem solved |
| 13:11.35 | raf256 | strange, how some linux guys start to call other names, when talking about security |
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| 13:11.47 | Blissex | runedude_: your monitor can only do up to 1280x960, and I would suggest actually doing 1024x768, as the refresh rate will be too low at 1280x960. |
| 13:11.53 | raf256 | while not giving answare why it would be a bad idea. |
| 13:11.56 | vulture | raf256: yes, because ignorance is dangerous, not only to you but to other people |
| 13:12.04 | runedude_ | Blissex: i believe i set 1024x7688 |
| 13:12.05 | vulture | raf256: we have, in many ways, and it's clearly not getting through |
| 13:12.10 | paulswm | or you can compile busybox with only the commends you want executed and give tham that as a shell |
| 13:12.33 | blackstar | yes |
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| 13:12.39 | blackstar | paulswm |
| 13:12.45 | raf256 | vulture: so care to give an answare, how to break into system described above? I dont say its very comfortable, I dont say that anyone should use it. |
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| 13:13.02 | kzar | its not spelt answare by the way |
| 13:13.10 | Blissex | runedude_: double check.... |
| 13:13.23 | runedude_ | Blissex: want me to post my Xconfig? |
| 13:13.25 | runedude_ | file |
| 13:13.27 | raf256 | kazr ok |
| 13:13.32 | runedude_ | :/ |
| 13:13.36 | raf256 | s/kazr/kzar |
| 13:13.39 | blackstar | hey guys how about helping some of us over here....huh |
| 13:13.46 | Blissex | runedude_: yes. |
| 13:13.56 | runedude_ | okie |
| 13:13.57 | runedude_ | one sec |
| 13:14.02 | Blissex | runedude_: if you feel like editing configs by hand... |
| 13:14.10 | blackstar | i have a sound blaster pro that needs to be configured in ubuntu |
| 13:14.16 | blackstar | anyone care to help please |
| 13:14.19 | kzar | woops |
| 13:14.30 | Blissex | runedude_: I have put up a set of cool nice sample configs here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/ |
| 13:14.30 | paulswm | blackstar: /topic |
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| 13:14.50 | vulture | raf256: probably exploit some other service you'd have running on your server. Or find an exploit for whatever server/scripting/etc system.. etc. |
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| 13:14.59 | vulture | probably simpler ways too, depending on the way you implement it |
| 13:15.10 | EmleyMoor | Well, that's ruled out that as the symbol problem |
| 13:15.16 | runedude_ | Blissex: http://www.runescapenation.org/xconfig.txt |
| 13:15.27 | vulture | raf256: or just do it when you weren't home and had accidently left the usb key in.. |
| 13:15.32 | EmleyMoor | Would still appreciate some help finding that if available. |
| 13:15.38 | paulswm | blackstar: please do not message me |
| 13:15.42 | raf256 | vulture: oki, so You admit that this service is not exploitable (if implementation is correct)? and other services can be turned offf... so Im perhaps not "full of shit" after all? |
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| 13:15.55 | vulture | raf256: I didn't admit anything of the sort. |
| 13:15.56 | runedude_ | Blissex: i hardlly haave anything close to a browser :/ |
| 13:16.01 | blackstar | paulswm what does /topic stand for |
| 13:16.07 | kzar | well if you actualy make it rather than talking about it raf256 maybe people would be interested |
| 13:16.39 | raf256 | vulture: that would be a human error - leaving USB. And yes, one might backstab admin and stole USB key - but nothing protects agains it ;) well, in addition USB could change password stored on it every few hours for example ;) |
| 13:16.42 | paulswm | blackstar: /topic is what you type to read the channel's topic re. your ubuntu question |
| 13:16.57 | blackstar | oh ok |
| 13:17.11 | Blissex | runedude_: 'links'? 'lynx'? 'lftp'? 'elinks'? w3m'? |
| 13:17.16 | runedude_ | yes |
| 13:17.17 | kzar | raf256: what if someone has a live cd, then they can look at everything anyway |
| 13:17.18 | runedude_ | i kknow |
| 13:17.21 | runedude_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.25 | Blissex | runedude_: they are all very nice text mode browsers :-) |
| 13:17.27 | jethro | raf256: computer could also be locked in a safe, burried 20 feets under the ground, and have no network access, that would be safe wouldn't it? |
| 13:17.28 | vulture | raf256: not really.. a usb key doesn't have any power of its own, it doesn't change state. you might be thinking of one of those RSA keychains that cycle through key data |
| 13:17.36 | Blissex | runedude_: but Ill clean up uou config. Wait. |
| 13:17.42 | runedude_ | yyea I llike graphics as you can see but I'm fairly good with terminals:)) |
| 13:17.50 | paulswm | heh |
| 13:17.57 | vulture | paulswm: yeah, so I'm bored.. now where was that wall |
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| 13:18.08 | blackstar | i was thinking that the configuration would be the same in ubuntu as in debian since it is debian based |
| 13:18.10 | runedude_ | Blissex: you aaare awesome:) |
| 13:18.30 | raf256 | (that is - start a session by typing local-password on server keyboard, not remotly) then it will open remote-login for time while USB is in the server. pulling out USB will terminate all commends. |
| 13:18.42 | paulswm | !knoppixbadger |
| 13:18.56 | paulswm | crap, someone removed it |
| 13:19.03 | paulswm | !ubuntu |
| 13:19.03 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 13:19.04 | vulture | raf256: why bother? if you are going to plug a keyboard in to the computer... just get a KVM and plug the monitor in as well |
| 13:19.08 | blackstar | ok thnks |
| 13:19.11 | blackstar | paul |
| 13:19.26 | paulswm | blackstar: np |
| 13:19.26 | raf256 | vulture: to do something new just for art of doing it? |
| 13:20.01 | raf256 | anyway I hope to try to implement it in freetime someday.. :) |
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| 13:20.11 | vulture | raf256: doing something new without any understanding of how existing things in the area is done is, in some ways, a way of finding a new/better path. but for the most part it's just drain bramaged, and you are well and truly in the latter category |
| 13:20.26 | paulswm | !win vulture |
| 13:20.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, vulture! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:20.39 | jethro | raf256: you're wasting such a time talking vaguely about it that I really doubt you will ever start anything |
| 13:21.06 | EmleyMoor | Is there a good guide to the command set supported by the snd-intel8x0m driver/slmodemd? |
| 13:21.08 | vulture | anyone have a spare CD launcher? |
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| 13:21.11 | paulswm | jethro: as they say in Texas, "All hat and no cattle" |
| 13:21.17 | jethro | :) |
| 13:21.26 | raf256 | jethro: perhaps in next month - too much work now |
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| 13:22.12 | jethro | raf256: yes, tomorrow better than today |
| 13:22.28 | raf256 | jethro: well, the paid job is more important |
| 13:22.32 | kzar | the module wants a include/linux/modversions.h file, is there a way to generate one or somthing? |
| 13:22.47 | caphuso | kzar: install the kernel headers for your kernel |
| 13:22.57 | jethro | raf256: yes, then go for it and stop being off topic here |
| 13:23.11 | kzar | caphuso: well i installed the kernel source package so do i still have to? |
| 13:23.15 | Blissex | runedude_: actually your config looks mostly OK. Ill double check the log again. |
| 13:23.25 | Blissex | runedude_: the log is also almost entirely OK. |
| 13:23.25 | runedude_ | ok |
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| 13:23.38 | caphuso | kzar: the kernel headers are specific to the configuration of your running kernel |
| 13:23.50 | caphuso | (or the one you want to compile the module for) |
| 13:24.31 | kzar | caphuso: well heres what i did, I installed kernel-image... then because it wants the headers or whatever i installed kernel-source... and pointed it at that . its the same version (2.4-18) so is that good enough? |
| 13:24.34 | ChrissiB | what does "rc" in the list mean when i execute "dpkg -l"? |
| 13:24.45 | caphuso | kzar: no |
| 13:24.45 | vulture | ChrissiB: look at the headers.. |
| 13:24.52 | vulture | ChrissiB: dpkg -l | head |
| 13:24.52 | caphuso | ChrissiB: Removed Configured |
| 13:25.15 | kzar | caphuso: so install kernel-headers... and that will be setup to how my kernel is setup yea? |
| 13:25.20 | caphuso | kzar: yes |
| 13:25.24 | kzar | cool gotya |
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| 13:27.21 | ChrissiB | caphuso, is it possible to delete these configurations? |
| 13:27.22 | runedude_ | Blissex: what should I do? :? |
| 13:27.23 | strubbel | good morning :) |
| 13:27.38 | Blissex | runedude_: good quuestion. Wait some more... |
| 13:27.39 | runedude_ | morning |
| 13:28.02 | vulture | ChrissiB: purge the package |
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| 13:30.52 | Blissex | runedude_: comment out the line where the DDC module is loaded and try again. |
| 13:31.10 | runedude_ | ok |
| 13:31.43 | runedude_ | the "LOAD "ddc" right? |
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| 13:32.16 | Blissex | runedude_: yes.... |
| 13:32.20 | runedude_ | ok:) |
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| 13:33.20 | Blissex | runedude_: the problem is that the monitor is reporting via DDC a set of modes it supports, and the card another set, and there are no two _exactly identical_ modes. |
| 13:33.36 | Blissex | runedude_: even if there are several that are very similar and should work. |
| 13:33.53 | runedude_ | Blissex: commented out and it dont work |
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| 13:34.24 | takisd | still can't get my lost menu items back in gnome... anyone any ideas??? |
| 13:34.35 | abrotman | lostmenuitems? |
| 13:35.05 | takisd | items i had added are gone... standard ones are still there... all of mine are still in vfolders, they don;t come up though anymore |
| 13:35.08 | abrotman | spacebarsareoverrated!! |
| 13:35.14 | takisd | clearly... |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | takisd: update-menus ? |
| 13:35.42 | takisd | abrotman, tried that... no go |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | takisd: you do mean program menu right? |
| 13:35.57 | Blissex | runedude_: update the posted log pls |
| 13:36.00 | runedude_ | meh k |
| 13:36.02 | runedude_ | 1 sec |
| 13:36.13 | takisd | abrotman: yep... well, the gnome applications menu |
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| 13:36.26 | abrotman | takisd: and you put them in the right place? |
| 13:36.35 | strubbel | takisd: same for me one time apt-get --reinstall install menus helped! |
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| 13:36.53 | can-o-worms | Can someone tell what the omniprint package is called in debian? |
| 13:36.55 | takisd | yeah, they were there. i think it happened after i upgraded gnomevfs |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | !find omniprint |
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| 13:37.08 | strubbel | s/menus/menu/ |
| 13:37.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'omniprint' returned no results. |
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| 13:37.24 | runedude_ | Blissex: runescapenation.org/xfree.log |
| 13:37.26 | abrotman | can-o-worms: doesn't seem to be in debian .. |
| 13:37.27 | takisd | strubbel: is that the package name "menus" ?? |
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| 13:37.38 | abrotman | takisd: you could try asking #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:37.48 | abrotman | takisd: the package name is menu |
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| 13:38.00 | strubbel | takisd: menu yes |
| 13:38.01 | takisd | abrotman: ok thanks all |
| 13:38.03 | can-o-worms | abrotman: it looks like it uses the LGPL... do you think that is why? |
| 13:38.05 | Blissex | runedude_: it is still loading DDC automatically wait a sec. |
| 13:38.05 | takisd | thanks |
| 13:38.12 | runedude_ | Blissex: it shouldnt be! |
| 13:38.17 | runedude_ | i commented it out with a # |
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| 13:38.22 | abrotman | can-o-worms: no .. |
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| 13:38.30 | abrotman | can-o-worms: what is the name of the program you run? |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | !omniprint |
| 13:38.54 | abrotman | !omniorb |
| 13:38.54 | dpkg | methinks omniorb is a free CORBA 2.3 ORB implemention |
| 13:39.08 | can-o-worms | abrotman: http://sourceforge.net/projects/omniprint ... take a look |
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| 13:39.30 | Blissex | runedude_: the VESA driver is loading the DDC one... |
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| 13:39.38 | abrotman | can-o-worms: well .. looks useful |
| 13:39.47 | runedude_ | ah |
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| 13:39.57 | abrotman | can-o-worms: dunno why it's not in debian |
| 13:39.57 | runedude_ | should I change it to nv and then have ddc commented out? |
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| 13:40.34 | can-o-worms | abrotman: yeah, i never thought for a second that they wouldn't be in there |
| 13:40.48 | nome | runedude_: waht is the problem? |
| 13:41.00 | abrotman | can-o-worms: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=122393 ... email that guy |
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| 13:41.06 | runedude_ | nome: well apparently x wont load because of ddc and its getting auto loaded in "vesa" driver |
| 13:41.10 | abrotman | can-o-worms: someone "says" they are working on it |
| 13:41.24 | aflores_ | Where can I report a BUG on kernel 2.6.8-1-sparc64-smp ? |
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| 13:41.43 | can-o-worms | abrotman: thanks anyway |
| 13:41.45 | Blissex | runedude_: also, your X server is old enough that probably it seems not to have the full list of VESA modes built in. |
| 13:41.56 | runedude_ | Blissex: can I updateX server then? :) |
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| 13:42.22 | nome | runedude_: are you using nv driver? |
| 13:42.29 | runedude_ | nome: nope vesa |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | can-o-worms: you culd package it if you want :) |
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| 13:43.59 | shadebob | someone have a good tutorial to chroot apache with mod_security? |
| 13:44.07 | abrotman | #apache ? |
| 13:44.11 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 13:44.12 | dpkg | well, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 13:44.40 | shadebob | thanks |
| 13:44.46 | Blissex | runedude_: thats a bit more complicated, because you have probably the old official version of Debian (Woody). |
| 13:44.52 | can-o-worms | abrotman: lol... i usually use gentoo, i'm just using debian cause i am building something i don't want to have to update all the time |
| 13:44.57 | nome | runedude_: i was not here before .... what is you graph.. card? |
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| 13:45.23 | abrotman | can-o-worms: ah .. printer doesn't work with cups? |
| 13:45.24 | runedude_ | nome: Nvidia 5200 FX |
| 13:45.31 | SquareRt | out of interest, anyone know how come you can't buy a 5 pack of firefox&thunderbird CDs but you can buy a 5 pack of mozilla1.7 CDs on the moz store? |
| 13:45.37 | Blissex | runedude_: you might want to upgrade to the beta version (Sarge aka 'testing' for now) or use a Debian-derived distro like Ubuntu or Kanotix. |
| 13:45.53 | nome | runedude_: and you would use nvidia module i suppose .... |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | SquareRt: ask on irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 13:46.03 | runedude_ | Blissex: is there any way to do this without .. welll, having to burn a whole other cd? |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | SquareRt: you can buy 5 of them! :) |
| 13:46.55 | Azar | good night and thank you guys |
| 13:46.58 | can-o-worms | abrotman: this works with cups... at least on gentoo or redhat you just install it and then choose the ppd with the cups config thing.. at least that is what i usually do |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | can-o-worms: erm .. ok |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | maybe someday i'll get a printer :) |
| 13:47.18 | TheArtist | im trying to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6.10 and it gives me "Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,1)? with identical config as for the working kernel, only changing the kernel location, anyone know why???? |
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| 13:47.27 | SquareRt | abrotman: did, got "13:32 < Pizbit> No one suggested the idea?" which didn't seem to be much of an answer... and I asked if it'd be worth emailing the moz store people if I wanted to order a 5-pack and see what they say and I got no further reply in #firefox |
| 13:47.28 | Blissex | runedude_: if you have a very fast network connection yes... |
| 13:47.33 | runedude_ | Blissex: yes |
| 13:47.36 | runedude_ | cable |
| 13:47.40 | SquareRt | abrotman: heh... but costwise it's not quite the same lol |
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| 13:48.11 | SquareRt | abrotman: I was thinking I could donate a firefox guide and a 5 pack of CDs to keep behind the desk to my college library |
| 13:48.12 | abrotman | SquareRt: yeah .. i guess email the store |
| 13:48.13 | Blissex | runedude_: however try this slightly modified XF86Config: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:48.19 | runedude_ | Blissex: ok |
| 13:48.21 | SquareRt | abrotman: good idea? bad idea? |
| 13:48.25 | abrotman | SquareRt: or you could burn them? :) |
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| 13:48.43 | abrotman | SquareRt: what .. you go to PSU ? |
| 13:48.44 | RoNiS | if I take a buisness card image of Debian Testing could I install just the base system to upgrade to sid later? |
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| 13:48.59 | abrotman | RoNiS: probably easier with the netinst |
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| 13:49.11 | abrotman | the 120MB image |
| 13:49.20 | RoNiS | abrotman: ok |
| 13:49.21 | Mytus | fal aia galera bom dia! |
| 13:49.23 | RoNiS | thanks! |
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| 13:49.29 | abrotman | !sp |
| 13:49.29 | dpkg | sp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 13:49.30 | SquareRt | doesn't look as professional though and I'm not sure I could explain that A: to the librarian and B: the person borrowing the book + disc who might think it looks decidedly dodgy |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:49.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:49.33 | runedude_ | nope, Blissex didnt work :( |
| 13:49.34 | SquareRt | abrotman: PSU whatnow? |
| 13:49.39 | abrotman | SquareRt: Penn State |
| 13:49.43 | SquareRt | nah |
| 13:49.58 | SquareRt | England* |
| 13:50.01 | abrotman | SquareRt: yeah .. you're right .. |
| 13:50.10 | SquareRt | abrotman: about looking professional? |
| 13:50.24 | Blissex | runedude_: post log again... |
| 13:50.29 | gurubie | Am I correct? WIll bootsplash only work with a frame buffer (namely vesa) compiled in? Not as a module? |
| 13:50.42 | Mytus | hi everybody good mornig!!! does some one can pleas help me up to config my sound card??? (i'm newbie) |
| 13:50.43 | runedude_ | Blissex: k. |
| 13:50.58 | TheArtist | im trying to upgrade from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6.10 and it gives me "Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,1)? with identical config as for the working kernel, only changing the kernel location, anyone know why???? |
| 13:51.00 | Lennart | Myren: Don't ask to ask just ask. |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | paulswm: you keep rubbing it in :) |
| 13:51.05 | runedude_ | Blissex: refresh , its uploadded |
| 13:51.11 | abrotman | !tell Mytus about sound |
| 13:51.17 | RoNiS | abrotman: sarge-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 13:51.22 | SquareRt | abrotman: I figured I could put a note in the back of the guidebook saying "Please remember to ask at the counter if you wish to borrow the CD that accompanies this book. You are welcome to copy this as per the Mozilla Public License." or somesuch... thoughs? |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | RoNiS: sounds good |
| 13:51.30 | RoNiS | abrotman: 107mb |
| 13:51.34 | RoNiS | abrotman: is it all right? |
| 13:51.35 | abrotman | SquareRt: you could |
| 13:51.39 | gurubie | TheArtist: Examine your boot string (GRUB?) VERY VERY carefully for errors. |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | RoNiS: yes .. that's right .. sorry .. it's about 110MB .. not 120MB |
| 13:52.03 | TheArtist | gurubie, yeah im using grub, but bootstring? |
| 13:52.04 | RoNiS | abrotman: ok! thanks! |
| 13:52.12 | SquareRt | abrotman: and I'm pretty sure we can put alerts into Eclipse so when a particular accession number is checked out that it says "CDs are in video cupboard" or something as a reminder to the librarian on duty |
| 13:52.15 | abrotman | RoNiS: you do have broadband right? |
| 13:52.23 | RoNiS | abrotman: yes :D |
| 13:52.29 | RoNiS | abrotman: 60kb/s |
| 13:52.30 | abrotman | SquareRt: eclipse is an IDE |
| 13:52.35 | abrotman | RoNiS: that's it? |
| 13:52.42 | RoNiS | abrotman: yes |
| 13:52.43 | runedude_ | 60kb/s eww |
| 13:52.43 | runedude_ | :/ |
| 13:52.49 | gurubie | TheArtist: Puls you may need to add --initrd when compiling your kernel. |
| 13:52.52 | SquareRt | abrotman: it's also a library management system |
| 13:52.53 | runedude_ | cable rocks, you get about 525kb/s :) |
| 13:52.53 | abrotman | i guess it's better than 56k :) |
| 13:52.58 | abrotman | SquareRt: oh .. |
| 13:53.07 | SquareRt | abrotman: not the same one though ;) lol |
| 13:53.10 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, it's kind of cold this morning, though, 59 F / 15 C right now |
| 13:53.14 | abrotman | SquareRt: is there a URL in the guide too? |
| 13:53.24 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. boo freakin hoo .. it's 5F here |
| 13:53.25 | Blissex | runedude_: you did not change the XF86Config... |
| 13:53.28 | TheArtist | gurubie, well i left that out actually, i never used to use one. is this now necessary? |
| 13:53.29 | SquareRt | abrotman: have you met any librarians that write Java? |
| 13:53.31 | runedude_ | I didnt?? |
| 13:53.32 | RoNiS | it's 60KB/s and not 60kb/s |
| 13:53.34 | Blissex | runedude_: the server is still using the old one. |
| 13:53.36 | abrotman | paulswm: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USPA1324.html |
| 13:53.39 | runedude_ | Blissex: but |
| 13:53.39 | runedude_ | oh |
| 13:53.41 | runedude_ | my bad. |
| 13:53.43 | runedude_ | i know why |
| 13:53.47 | runedude_ | it added a .1 at it |
| 13:53.52 | abrotman | SquareRt: 3.6 |
| 13:54.01 | abrotman | she was short |
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| 13:54.15 | quittt | what do I need to get sound? |
| 13:54.25 | abrotman | !tell quittt about sound |
| 13:54.35 | abrotman | !tell quittt about audio |
| 13:54.43 | abrotman | bah .. those things need updated .. badly |
| 13:54.45 | runedude_ | Blissex: not working, still, check the log again i just updated it |
| 13:54.46 | gurubie | TheArtist: I think not if your fs type is compiled in (ext3?) but then you have to configure GRUB or LILO very carefully, it's prob just a typo. |
| 13:55.02 | paulswm | abrotman: thanks for reminding me why I live here, heh (although I have done full winters in Chicago, Battle Creek MI amongst other places so I've paid my dues :) |
| 13:55.29 | abrotman | paulswm: i was born in MI .. and i was just in WI for christmas |
| 13:55.45 | SquareRt | abrotman: I was also thinking if a 5-pack of the CDs was as economical for firefox as for moz 1.7 then I could donate the first 5 or 10 and see if they sell at cost price, as the library is going through a modernisation period at the moment (as of 31st jan they have silent wednesday lunches, quiz @ 1pm fridays, and a load of other new ideas... like there's now a quite short stories corner where they've papered over the windows and put wooden screen |
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| 13:56.03 | SquareRt | abrotman: now a quiet** short stories corner even lol |
| 13:56.10 | mh_le | I get an error when I try to burn a iso to a CDr that the recorder dosen't like the media.. what's up with that, it's brand new media |
| 13:56.11 | TheArtist | gurubie, yeah its ext3 on all parts, and i have tried over and over mate, even copying the section from the current one and only editing the kernel bit |
| 13:56.14 | abrotman | SquareRt: are they 6? |
| 13:56.28 | SquareRt | abrotman: no, this is a 14-19 college |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | SquareRt: yay |
| 13:56.56 | TheArtist | gurubie, apt says its gods way of punishing you for using a pre-built kernel, so im guessing as this isnt one that i dont need it |
| 13:57.03 | abrotman | paulswm: it's just soo cold here |
| 13:57.08 | Blissex | runedude_: I jsut checked a little detail and it may be just |
| 13:57.09 | davi | What USB driber must I select in the 2.6.10 linux kernel to enable the Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 webcam ? |
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| 13:57.11 | TheArtist | gurubie, either way i dont have support for it in my kernel |
| 13:57.17 | SquareRt | abrotman: yay as in they might be talked into using firefox (old enough to know that computer mice don't like cheese, young enough to try anything?) |
| 13:57.32 | Blissex | runedude_: that the VESA modes reported b y the card dont have any 24 bpp mode, only 16 or 32. |
| 13:57.36 | runedude_ | ah |
| 13:57.44 | runedude_ | so change it? |
| 13:57.48 | Blissex | runedude_: so change the default depth to 16. |
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| 13:57.58 | abrotman | SquareRt: tell them all the 1337 h4xx0r5 use it |
| 13:58.00 | runedude_ | ok |
| 13:58.04 | SquareRt | abrotman: lol |
| 13:58.05 | abrotman | that took so long to type |
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| 13:58.19 | gurubie | TheArtist: I answer becuse I had the same error yesterday and noe mine is (2.6.10 Custom) running |
| 13:58.30 | SquareRt | abrotman: the kids at school think that I "get past the firewall" (aka can read my email) because I use firefox. sigh. |
| 13:58.46 | TheArtist | gurubie, how was yours resolved? |
| 13:58.52 | abrotman | SquareRt: oh .. maybe you should educate them :) |
| 13:58.53 | runedude_ | holy crapola! it works! however |
| 13:59.05 | paulswm | SquareRt: look on the bright side, less competition for IT jobs |
| 13:59.07 | runedude_ | its not displayign anything good |
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| 13:59.12 | SquareRt | heh paulswm |
| 13:59.14 | runedude_ | just some .. stuff that looks like its too small |
| 13:59.21 | SquareRt | abrotman: well, wouldn't want them trying to ssh into the proxy server and guess the password |
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| 13:59.24 | abrotman | paulswm: no .. those poeple become your managers :) |
| 13:59.32 | runedude_ | let me try to reboot the computer |
| 13:59.33 | SquareRt | abrotman: considering I no longer have the access to check the logs anymore |
| 13:59.33 | gurubie | TheArtist: I think it was a typo in menu.lst for the boot. |
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| 13:59.40 | Blissex | runedude_: how did you start it? |
| 13:59.41 | abrotman | SquareRt: perhaps not |
| 13:59.42 | runedude_ | thx:) |
| 13:59.43 | paulswm | abrotman: that is *exaclty* what I was just typing, beat me to it |
| 13:59.44 | runedude_ | i did startx |
| 13:59.51 | bite | is there anyone who i could query to ask some questions about a dedicated server with linux i have? |
| 13:59.52 | abrotman | paulswm: heh .. like .. my manager |
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| 14:00.00 | abrotman | bite: just ask |
| 14:00.03 | runedude_ | oh wait |
| 14:00.06 | SquareRt | abrotman: at the moment they think it's some magical IE thing and "RM" isn't letting them use their windows on the internet |
| 14:00.06 | runedude_ | it doenst like the mouse |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | bite: it is debian right? :) |
| 14:00.09 | Blissex | runedude_: that does it seem to display? And post the log again... |
| 14:00.12 | runedude_ | it says "no such device" |
| 14:00.20 | bite | abrotman, eeeh.. no :P |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | SquareRt: oh .. that's priceless |
| 14:00.23 | runedude_ | done, uploaded |
| 14:00.34 | abrotman | bite: if you ask nicely .. we may be able to redirect you :) |
| 14:00.37 | paulswm | too funny |
| 14:00.54 | SquareRt | abrotman: for everything else there's dsa1024.pkey ? |
| 14:01.05 | abrotman | SquareRt: who needs encryption |
| 14:01.06 | gurubie | TheArtist: Let's see. I compiled with ext3 as module. Did --initrd when building and fixed a typo. |
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| 14:01.10 | bite | well the thing is that i have to configure the mail server and i have some dumb questions about the domain name and best solution for this situation |
| 14:01.11 | abrotman | taxes .. or not .. |
| 14:01.25 | abrotman | bite: which distro . and which mail server? |
| 14:01.34 | SquareRt | abrotman: someone logging into the server who was smart enought to nag the powers-that-be to turn off telnet |
| 14:01.34 | RoNiS | Which is better for a PC ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 14:01.36 | kzar | if I want to compile a kernel on a faster pc, can I just copy the source directory over to it and compile, even though the faster pc is unstable and the kernel is for a pc using stable? |
| 14:01.41 | SquareRt | abrotman: :D |
| 14:01.42 | abrotman | !better |
| 14:01.42 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:01.54 | bite | abrotman, well, i was just installing qmail + vpopmail, but as i only need like 10-15 mail accounts maybe theres an easier solution |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | SquareRt: telnet still exists? |
| 14:02.02 | TheArtist | gurubie, im gonna go boot into linux and try again, thanks anyway mate |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | bite: distro is? |
| 14:02.05 | Blissex | runedude_: the problem now is with the mouse. You haven't loaded the 'mousedev' module I think |
| 14:02.07 | bite | gentoo |
| 14:02.12 | runedude_ | eh |
| 14:02.14 | runedude_ | ok |
| 14:02.17 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 14:02.17 | abrotman | #gentoo won't help you ? |
| 14:02.19 | SquareRt | abrotman: yeah... it was libranet before I converted it over from potato/libranet to straight woody |
| 14:02.20 | runedude_ | I should add that somewhere? |
| 14:02.25 | gurubie | TheArtist: The typo was with initrd.img-2.6.10 and/or the path etc. |
| 14:02.25 | bite | but the questions is not distro related |
| 14:02.28 | abrotman | SquareRt: ewwww |
| 14:02.34 | SquareRt | abrotman: ewww at libranet? |
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| 14:02.43 | bite | i'll try |
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| 14:02.48 | abrotman | bite: i have a preference for postfix and courier .. so i'm no help for qmail or vpopmail |
| 14:02.56 | SquareRt | abrotman: oh.. and get this.. they still use keyword filtering |
| 14:03.04 | mh_le | how do I check to see if ide-scsi is enabeled? |
| 14:03.04 | abrotman | SquareRt: for your porn? |
| 14:03.08 | Blissex | runedude_: or change the path for the mouse from '/dev/input/mice' to '/dev/input/mouse0' |
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| 14:03.10 | abrotman | mh_le: lsmod |
| 14:03.12 | gurubie | TheArtist: Hang in there! |
| 14:03.19 | runedude_ | Blissex: okie letmee try :) |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | mh_le: but if you're on 2.6 .. no need |
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| 14:03.23 | bite | abrotman, i was thinking that maybe i dont need virtualmail since 15 accounts its not a lot |
| 14:03.31 | Blissex | runedude_: or use a PS2 port mouse and change the path to '/dev/psaux' |
| 14:03.31 | mh_le | abrotman, okay |
| 14:03.34 | abrotman | bite: sounds reasonable ... |
| 14:03.38 | SquareRt | the other day they had to add a load more filtering exceptions because students couldn't look at pages on "Analysis" for their Computing/ICT coursework (look at the first four letters) |
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| 14:03.48 | Mytus | hi people... I hane a Ensonic 5880, i loaded the module ess1371 and added my tuser to sound but it still don working... what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:04.00 | TheArtist | gurubie, thanks i will mate, had debian working nicely b4 and compiled a few good working kernels, its just been a while |
| 14:04.11 | SquareRt | abrotman: for a while cambridge university's site was blocked because of the filter word "cam" (as in webcam) sigh |
| 14:04.23 | abrotman | SquareRt: that's lovely ... |
| 14:04.27 | abrotman | SquareRt: i think they need a new admin |
| 14:04.33 | abrotman | SquareRt: (hopefully that's not you) |
| 14:04.41 | SquareRt | abrotman: why's that? |
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| 14:04.52 | SquareRt | (why not me)? |
| 14:04.53 | runedude_ | well /dev/input/mouse0 dont work |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | SquareRt: i would have just suggested you replace yourself :) |
| 14:05.12 | SquareRt | abrotman: aside from the fact that I'm leaving in july |
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| 14:05.25 | SquareRt | abrotman: but I'm not the admin, I just do as I'm "told" sigh |
| 14:05.27 | abrotman | SquareRt: where you going? |
| 14:05.49 | SquareRt | abrotman: university... I'm a student at my college... in upper sixth form :) |
| 14:05.51 | runedude_ | Blissex: hmm, isnt there any way to get a USB mouse working? |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | now .. i realize we're a big channel .. but if you have a qmail problem on gentoo . why come to #debian? :) |
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| 14:06.04 | abrotman | SquareRt: like a senior? |
| 14:06.08 | Blissex | runedude_: there might be if you have the right kernel version and modules. |
| 14:06.23 | runedude_ | Blissex: mh, can I upgrade this stuff then? |
| 14:06.25 | SquareRt | abrotman: as in, as old as I can be at that school without retaking any years |
| 14:06.32 | paulswm | abrotman: upper sicth for is the last (and extra) year at high school |
| 14:06.37 | paulswm | s/c/x/ |
| 14:06.40 | abrotman | SquareRt: ah .. so basically a senior |
| 14:06.40 | Blissex | runedude_: whats the output of 'uname -a' |
| 14:06.48 | gurubie | I think I can't have my sisfb (clear text) and a bootsplash (vesafb compiled required, right?) at the same time. Am I correct? Else do you know of bootsplash with sisfb? Is there absolutly no way to do bootsplash without a frame buffer? |
| 14:07.01 | SquareRt | abrotman: obviously IT make the policy |
| 14:07.09 | abrotman | SquareRt: so what's next? |
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| 14:07.39 | paulswm | gurubie: you can't have graphics without a framebuffer |
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| 14:07.44 | runedude_ | Linux debian 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
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| 14:07.47 | quittt | quitete:/home/pedro# alsaconf |
| 14:07.48 | quittt | modinfo: snd: no module by that name found |
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| 14:07.54 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 14:07.58 | quittt | sorry =/ |
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| 14:08.03 | abrotman | quittt: no flooding |
| 14:08.11 | quittt | I didnt meant to |
| 14:08.13 | abrotman | quittt: modprobe snd ? |
| 14:08.14 | mantiena-baltix | Tolimar_, hi |
| 14:08.15 | teclo | Hello, for a Adaotec AVA-2904 scsi card, what module should I be using ? |
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| 14:08.22 | SquareRt | abrotman: I did them a new web design... apparently the admin people in the offices (ie the principal etc) didn't like the colour scheme so my site was off the menu... even though it was done with CSS... and the IT technician was very uneasy about my idea of allowing the teachers to post news on the site using an admin interface... I think he was going to restrict it to just him (and defy the whole bloody object).. |
| 14:08.28 | gurubie | paulswm: I guess I understand why Dynebolic uses ansi now. |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | quittt: uname 0r |
| 14:08.30 | abrotman | quittt: uname -r |
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| 14:08.37 | quittt | 2.4.27-speakup |
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| 14:08.58 | abrotman | quittt: wtf is that? |
| 14:09.02 | abrotman | wtf is -speakup ? |
| 14:09.15 | quittt | I dont know |
| 14:09.15 | abrotman | SquareRt: yeah .. of course they don't like it :) |
| 14:09.19 | SquareRt | abrotman: and now they hired an extra technician to work on the website... who they have changing the paper and fixing machines now... so the current design sucks thoroughly which has only recently gone up after a placeholder page was there for about 8 months |
| 14:09.22 | abrotman | !find -speakup |
| 14:09.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of '-speakup' (4 shown): kernel-doc-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup ;; kernel-patch-speakup. |
| 14:09.27 | SquareRt | abrotman: because they didn't design it? |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | oh .. who knew |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup |
| 14:09.38 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4.27-speakup: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27-speakup), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-1 (sid), Packaged size: 11028 kB, Installed size: 29656 kB |
| 14:09.44 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 14:10.02 | runedude_ | Blissex: Linux debian 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 14:10.05 | abrotman | quittt: are you blind ? |
| 14:10.12 | Blissex | runedude_: a bit ancient.... |
| 14:10.13 | abrotman | !tell runedude_ about real kernel |
| 14:10.20 | runedude_ | Blissex: I know. |
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| 14:10.26 | runedude_ | is there a way to update it? |
| 14:10.32 | paulswm | abrotman: looks nasty: http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-kernel-di-i386.html |
| 14:10.37 | Blissex | runedude_: you can upgrade as abrotman said to a 2.4.x kernel for stable. |
| 14:10.48 | gurubie | Once vesafb is compiled in (compiled required for bootsplash?) there no way to turn is off to switch to sisfb, right? |
| 14:10.49 | runedude_ | so |
| 14:10.53 | runedude_ | apt-get something? |
| 14:11.00 | abrotman | paulswm: it seems to be a kernel for blind people |
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| 14:11.15 | quittt | abrotman, should I change the kernel ? |
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| 14:11.22 | Blissex | runedude_: yes, indeed. |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | quittt: are you blind? |
| 14:11.28 | abrotman | or poorly sighted? |
| 14:11.28 | quittt | abrotman, blind? |
| 14:11.33 | paulswm | abrotman: oh, I see, I *thought* when you said that you were being kind of mean, heh |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | !speakup |
| 14:11.34 | dpkg | a set of kernel modules for linux that enables blind people to work at the linux console directly. see http://linux-speakup.org for detales. |
| 14:11.39 | Blissex | runedude_: I would normally suggest using 'aptitude' over 'apt-get' for most people. |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | paulswm: no .. i was serious ... |
| 14:11.49 | runedude_ | ok |
| 14:11.49 | quittt | I am not |
| 14:11.57 | runedude_ | Blissex: so aptitude kernel? |
| 14:11.58 | runedude_ | or something |
| 14:12.01 | abrotman | quittt: does your computer talk to you? :) |
| 14:12.02 | Blissex | runedude_: I think abrotman has got you a message with the details. |
| 14:12.05 | quittt | abrotman, yes |
| 14:12.09 | runedude_ | ah |
| 14:12.09 | runedude_ | yes |
| 14:12.13 | runedude_ | but i cant switch to it |
| 14:12.16 | runedude_ | nvm |
| 14:12.17 | abrotman | !tell runedude_ about real kernel |
| 14:12.18 | Blissex | runedude_: however do this... |
| 14:12.29 | abrotman | quittt: then yes .. switch |
| 14:12.35 | abrotman | quittt: what kind of CPU do you have? |
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| 14:12.40 | Blissex | runedude_: 'apt-get install aptitude' first of all |
| 14:12.55 | SquareRt | abrotman: the opinion, as the head of music puts it, is that the IT technician treats IT as an end and not a means |
| 14:13.00 | Blissex | runedude_: actually, first of all 'apt-get update', then 'apt-get install aptitude' |
| 14:13.07 | abrotman | SquareRt: yeah .. i've seen that |
| 14:13.22 | quittt | abrotman, Pentium III |
| 14:13.22 | runedude_ | ok Blissex |
| 14:13.27 | runedude_ | will this require a reboot at all? |
| 14:13.28 | quittt | when I installed Debian came with that |
| 14:13.33 | abrotman | quittt: use a -686 kernel |
| 14:13.40 | abrotman | quittt: apt-cache search kernel-image 686 |
| 14:13.42 | runedude_ | ok, i got aptitude |
| 14:13.43 | runedude_ | :) |
| 14:13.48 | paulswm | SquareRt: that tech's attitude sucks, we in IT are really just toolmakers |
| 14:13.48 | Blissex | runedude_: activating a new kernel will reqiore a reboot |
| 14:13.50 | quittt | abrotman, I will use aptitudde fori t |
| 14:13.54 | runedude_ | Blissex: ok no problem |
| 14:13.57 | abrotman | quittt: if you say so |
| 14:13.58 | quittt | abrotman, how do I edit grub?? |
| 14:13.59 | runedude_ | Blissex: i got aptitude/update |
| 14:14.06 | abrotman | quittt: why would you? |
| 14:14.09 | abrotman | and use an editor |
| 14:14.12 | paulswm | !beat the IT tech at SquareRt's school |
| 14:14.25 | Blissex | runedude_: now you should read a bit about 'aptitude', but to do things quickly... |
| 14:14.25 | SquareRt | abrotman: the head of music gets /no/ help with their mac for the recording studio and almost no help with their PCs which they were told had to be domain members to be on the network or somesuch |
| 14:14.28 | quittt | abrotman, a operating system isnt showed there |
| 14:14.33 | abrotman | SquareRt: duh .. it's a mac |
| 14:14.39 | abrotman | quittt: windows? |
| 14:14.41 | quittt | and if I uninstall that kernel a install a 686 I need to update it |
| 14:14.47 | quittt | abrotman, BeOS |
| 14:14.58 | abrotman | quittt: you can have more than one .. and i have no idea how to boot beos with grub |
| 14:15.03 | SquareRt | abrotman: and things like cubase, etc tend to break with RM's security stuff |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | who is RM ? |
| 14:15.16 | DarkHound | can anyone point me to a good howto on getting the nvidia kernel up and running under sarge? |
| 14:15.18 | abrotman | RObert Morris? |
| 14:15.21 | SquareRt | abrotman: research machines |
| 14:15.22 | Blissex | runedude_: run 'aptitude', then press 'l' to limit the display of packages, and type "kernel", and then select a 2.4.x kernel with '+', and then 'g' to start installation. |
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| 14:15.26 | abrotman | !tell DarkHound about nvidia |
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| 14:15.37 | SquareRt | abrotman: http://www.rm.com/ sigh |
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| 14:15.49 | Kupal[] | Ahh sitting in English class.. |
| 14:15.53 | abrotman | SquareRt: ah |
| 14:15.54 | Kupal[] | Someone wanna shoot me. |
| 14:16.16 | Kupal[] | s/./?/ |
| 14:16.16 | abrotman | Kupal[]: would you rather be in history class? |
| 14:16.20 | paulswm | quittt: you are running BeOS? |
| 14:16.21 | Kupal[] | yes :) |
| 14:16.33 | SquareRt | abrotman: indeed. sigh. most of their stuff sucks truly |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | what's wrong with english class? |
| 14:16.42 | abrotman | SquareRt: let's shoot them!! |
| 14:16.47 | SquareRt | abrotman: lol |
| 14:16.50 | SquareRt | sigh |
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| 14:17.10 | runedude_ | Blissex: it doesnt seem to show any |
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| 14:17.16 | Kupal[] | I think its not just very enjoyable. And some of the classroom politics affects some of my feeling anyhow. |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | SquareRt: i've been there .. i was actually part of the support at my uni .. i spent 3 years doing that .. and i was genuinely surprised they didn't offer me a job |
| 14:17.25 | m0r3 | morning all |
| 14:17.29 | Blissex | runedude_: thats highly unlikely.... |
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| 14:17.49 | runedude_ | Blissex: let me try again |
| 14:17.50 | paulswm | quittt: sorry, forget I said that, evidently your other OS is BeOS |
| 14:17.54 | Kupal[] | abrotman:Yeah, they could be decribed very well as "Bastards". |
| 14:18.02 | abrotman | Kupal[]: the english? |
| 14:18.11 | runedude_ | ah |
| 14:18.12 | Kupal[] | abrotman: no your uni |
| 14:18.12 | runedude_ | silly me |
| 14:18.15 | runedude_ | forgot to be root |
| 14:18.19 | axlax | hello ppl, |
| 14:18.20 | axlax | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 14:18.20 | runedude_ | wait nvm |
| 14:18.22 | runedude_ | i was root |
| 14:18.36 | paulswm | axlax: /topic |
| 14:18.37 | abrotman | Kupal[]: oh .. it was ok .. i mean .. i liked the school .. and girls were fun :) |
| 14:18.56 | DarkHound | ok yeah see I keep running into this problem: W: Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 14:18.59 | m0r3 | :>) |
| 14:19.07 | abrotman | !tell DarkHound about nvidia debs |
| 14:19.15 | Blissex | runedude_: however, cjheck if you can do just 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' |
| 14:19.20 | runedude_ | k |
| 14:19.42 | DarkHound | lol making it real easy on me eh abrotman? thanks! |
| 14:19.44 | Blissex | runedude_: to get 'aptitude' well configured check http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
| 14:19.50 | runedude_ | ok |
| 14:19.54 | abrotman | DarkHound: dunno .. i don't use nvidia .. it could be hard :) |
| 14:20.28 | SquareRt | abrotman: when I set up the bridging firewall I put in an exception so that giles in the music office could still access the internet unrestricted (as the technician said that they had to allow the community and grasp machines to have unrestricted access as the community department is run by one of the vice principals and politics etc, so I thought it only fair because they need to access their mail etc) and after a month or so the technician comme |
| 14:20.42 | runedude_ | Blissex: i dont think it could find the package :/ |
| 14:20.44 | Blissex | runedude_: in particular you might want to download http://www.sabi.co.uk/Cfg/APT/sources.list copy it to '/etc/apt/sources.list' and run 'apt-get update' again and then try again with 'aptitude. |
| 14:20.54 | runedude_ | ok |
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| 14:21.29 | SquareRt | abrotman: many times I've heard IT lie about what they can and can't do because it suits them |
| 14:21.54 | SquareRt | abrotman: when I know full well the server is FULLY aware of who each and every user is connecting through the proxy as I set up the ident lookup servers |
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| 14:22.06 | abrotman | SquareRt: IT lies a lot |
| 14:22.12 | runedude_ | Blissex: it came up with <!DOCTYPE |
| 14:22.22 | runedude_ | oh whoops |
| 14:22.23 | runedude_ | nvm |
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| 14:22.38 | SquareRt | abrotman: yet they say that they can't have the software allow staff to view denied pages or submit them to be unblocked (load of blalocks) |
| 14:22.51 | runedude_ | got it:) |
| 14:23.03 | abrotman | load of bollocks? |
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| 14:23.32 | SquareRt | abrotman: indeed |
| 14:23.44 | m0r3 | bye gents |
| 14:24.28 | abrotman | SquareRt: my uni dumped AIX as mail server to move to exchange .. what a mess that was |
| 14:24.51 | SquareRt | abrotman: another example... the head of IT said that he's looking into scrapping the linux+squid+dansguardian server and getting SurfControl instead because it was easier to administrate and is more effective |
| 14:24.53 | runedude_ | Blissex: seems to have problems connecting to FTP.DE.debian.org |
| 14:24.55 | runedude_ | :( |
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| 14:25.14 | Blissex | abrotman: I have this bizarre idea that most IT discussion need only a two word vocabulary: 'bollocks' and 'wankers'. |
| 14:25.14 | SquareRt | abrotman: and the technician, when I mentioned to him, said "we'll see about that.. it'll have to suit us too" |
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| 14:25.23 | SquareRt | blissex: and bullshit... don't forget bullshit bingo... |
| 14:25.29 | abrotman | Blissex: i prefer "bullshit" and "idiot" :) |
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| 14:25.48 | abrotman | SquareRt: this sounds lovely .. bunch of pointy clicky fucktards |
| 14:25.55 | kzar | is there a problem of compiling a kernel for a stable system on a different pc running unstable? |
| 14:25.59 | Blissex | runedude_: yes, that server seems down today. edit the file and change 'FTP.DE' to 'FTP.UK' for example. |
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| 14:26.05 | runedude_ | ah ok :) |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | kzar: if it's 2.6 it is |
| 14:26.19 | PF | How is your hole.....family doing today |
| 14:26.25 | Sandman | I have a theoretical question about numbers and predictability. It's not directly about Debian, but it is about software development. |
| 14:26.33 | kzar | abrotman: the kernel source is a stable one, copied over to the unstable pc |
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| 14:26.38 | Sandman | I figure there's no better place to ask about such a thing than in #debian. Is this okay? |
| 14:26.52 | SquareRt | abrotman: the other day the head of IT was complaining that squid couldn't filter google preferences (people were turning off image-safesearch) and google advanced search (same reason)... eventually realised he was editing a backup of the config files I made about 18 months ago |
| 14:26.54 | tarzeau | Sandman: just ask |
| 14:26.57 | kzar | abrotman: thing is its giving me errors when i try and compile it |
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| 14:27.22 | abrotman | kzar: i still am not sure it will work |
| 14:27.32 | Sandman | Is it possible to predict randomness, given the randomness is based on a pool of potential numbers. |
| 14:27.33 | abrotman | SquareRt: smart guy |
| 14:27.38 | Sandman | Such as, a deck of cards. |
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| 14:27.57 | enigmus | when I mount my dos partition, it is not readable by any user (all the files are 744). How do I change that? chmod 777 -R *, for instance, doesn't work. |
| 14:28.00 | abrotman | Sandman: predict .. not really .. but reasonable guess .. i suppose |
| 14:28.10 | abrotman | Sandman: randomness is a difficult subject |
| 14:28.11 | Sandman | abrotman: A guess that is accurate _most_ of the time, or at least some of the time? |
| 14:28.12 | SquareRt | abrotman: and they still insist on restarting the server (which takes everything down for 3-5 minutes) for a little config change like a new filter rule instead of rehashing it (no downtime, new config "hits the ground running" in about 5 seconds) |
| 14:28.12 | tarzeau | enigmus: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
| 14:28.15 | runedude_ | hm |
| 14:28.20 | abrotman | Sandman: at what point is it "good enough" ? |
| 14:28.23 | kzar | Sandman: thats statistics isnt it. except I think random generated numbers from pcs arnt totaly random so maybe they can be predicted |
| 14:28.31 | runedude_ | Blissex: now it doesnt like "ftp.es" |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | SquareRt: nice |
| 14:28.38 | Sandman | abrotman: Any percentage is fine. |
| 14:28.40 | tarzeau | kzar: most /dev/random are crap, yes |
| 14:28.46 | Sandman | abrotman: As long as the percentage of accuracy is somewhat accurate |
| 14:28.49 | tarzeau | kzar: they often repeat too early |
| 14:28.53 | Blissex | runedude_: find another mirror... |
| 14:28.53 | paulswm | Sandman: that's a whole science in itself, Donald Knuth talks about it in one of his three "The Art Of Computer Programming" books |
| 14:28.54 | tarzeau | kzar: this can be visualized |
| 14:28.54 | SquareRt | abrotman: the fact that he was editing in ~ instead of /etc should have been a clue (he was using 'mc') |
| 14:28.55 | abrotman | Sandman: then ... /dev/urandom is ok .. |
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| 14:29.03 | kzar | tarzeau: yea but also pc's cant generate totaly random numbers at all |
| 14:29.03 | abrotman | Sandman: dumbass |
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| 14:29.06 | Blissex | runedude_: try 'FTP.CH' for example. |
| 14:29.13 | runedude_ | Blissex: ok.. |
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| 14:29.18 | kekostar | hi |
| 14:29.21 | Sandman | So let's say a 6-die is rolled, and a 6 is made twice in a row. The likelihood of it happening again is 1/216, correct? |
| 14:29.22 | paulswm | Sandman: that's the place to go if you want to test random number generators |
| 14:29.22 | SquareRt | abrotman: they don't even seem to grasp that you don't need to be logged in at the console for the server to work |
| 14:29.25 | abrotman | Sandman: personal opinion : .. if you want true randomness .. take several factors from nature .. |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | SquareRt: oh .. lovely |
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| 14:29.38 | runedude_ | whoops |
| 14:29.39 | runedude_ | :) |
| 14:29.43 | runedude_ | didnt see ftp.es |
| 14:29.44 | tarzeau | kzar: that's what i was telling, but using some external/analog input (speakers, and stuff) or some library (montecarlo) you can do pretty good enough |
| 14:29.46 | Sandman | abrotman: Why am I a dumbass? |
| 14:29.46 | runedude_ | i was wondering where it came from |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | Sandman: well .. not 216 .. |
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| 14:29.54 | abrotman | Sandman: says who? |
| 14:29.55 | SquareRt | abrotman: and they regularly leave the door open and unlocked when no-one's in |
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| 14:30.03 | abrotman | Sandman: i didn't say that did i ? |
| 14:30.04 | kzar | tarzeau: true probably but i have never tried :D |
| 14:30.11 | Blissex | Sandman: this is totally totally offtopic. |
| 14:30.15 | abrotman | SquareRt: our server room at work is unlocked |
| 14:30.15 | Sandman | abrotman: 07:42 < abrotman> Sandman: dumbass |
| 14:30.15 | paulswm | Sandman: die roll probability that you describe is 1/6*1/6*1/6 |
| 14:30.23 | abrotman | Sandman: erm .. are you sure? |
| 14:30.27 | Sandman | paulswm: Yes. |
| 14:30.41 | abrotman | Sandman: oh .. that was meant for SquareRt . sorry .. he was tlaking about IT managers at his uni |
| 14:30.42 | kzar | is everything thats set with menuconfig in the .config file? |
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| 14:30.49 | tarzeau | kzar: if you have a library/university near, there should be pretty much info on these things |
| 14:30.55 | tarzeau | kzar: yes |
| 14:30.59 | abrotman | paulswm: that's three times |
| 14:31.00 | kzar | cool cheers |
| 14:31.02 | paulswm | Sandman: testing a stream of numbers for randomness is not easy, I used Knuth's ideas when I did it back in the early 80s |
| 14:31.08 | kekostar | i just install in my laptop latest deabian and it didnt find my network driver... my llaptop is ibm thinkpad t30 and it ave intel chipset 10/100 network card.. |
| 14:31.11 | paulswm | abrotman: that's what he asked |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | Sandman: is this for home work? |
| 14:31.19 | abrotman | paulswm: oh . i thought he said 2 |
| 14:31.20 | enigmus | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 14:31.28 | Sandman | abrotman: No |
| 14:31.34 | tarzeau | enigmus: you are welcome |
| 14:31.36 | kekostar | how i can make it work ? |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | Sandman: there are entire books/papers on randomness |
| 14:31.56 | Sandman | abrotman: Do you have any suggestions? I'll start reading. |
| 14:32.02 | runedude_ | Now a segfault |
| 14:32.03 | paulswm | Sandman: it's not an even distribution, there should be runs which look non-random, it's not easy to test for randomness |
| 14:32.05 | SquareRt | abrotman: I gather they got "served" about six months ago... someone from county hall came in and just walked into the back room and took photos that showed the servers on the floor (should be at least 6 inches above the floor in case there's a flood for insurance purposes) and the photo was put on the front cover of a newsletter from county hall to all IT depts |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | Sandman: check the acm.org site .. none that i know of |
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| 14:32.22 | kekostar | i just install in my laptop latest deabian and it didnt find my network driver... my llaptop is ibm thinkpad t30 and it ave intel chipset 10/100 network card.. |
| 14:32.25 | abrotman | SquareRt: nice |
| 14:32.27 | kekostar | how i can make it work ? |
| 14:32.39 | SquareRt | abrotman: there were other examples... two of the photos were from our school (uncredited, thankfully lol) |
| 14:32.41 | Sandman | paulswm: If you have at least a percentage of randomness, that will work, correct? Total unpredictableness is not a necessity in my situation |
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| 14:32.45 | SquareRt | abrotman: I gather it was a bit embarrassing |
| 14:32.48 | kekostar | feel free to tell if have any idea :) |
| 14:32.48 | abrotman | SquareRt: you evil bastard |
| 14:32.51 | Sandman | paulswm: For example, a deck of cards is not _totally_ random, correct? |
| 14:32.53 | SquareRt | abrotman: what? |
| 14:32.59 | blackstar | kekostar, dunno much - found that to get my wireless up and running i have to dhclient eth0 |
| 14:33.01 | abrotman | SquareRt: oh .. you didn't take them |
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| 14:33.10 | kzar | Sandman: what are you on about |
| 14:33.15 | blackstar | kekostar, give that a try if you haven't |
| 14:33.18 | Sandman | paulswm: Well, nevermind that question about whether it will work |
| 14:33.22 | paulswm | Sandman: then use a random number generator |
| 14:33.29 | Sandman | paulswm: I mean to say for my purposes it'll work. |
| 14:33.31 | SquareRt | abrotman: I didn't mean it was uncredited to my name, I mean it was uncredited to our school... so it was only embarrassing /internally/ |
| 14:33.36 | abrotman | SquareRt: oh |
| 14:33.38 | paulswm | Sandman: you are correct about the deck of cards |
| 14:33.39 | kekostar | blackstar: i dont understand you ? |
| 14:33.49 | Blissex | runedude: how its going? |
| 14:33.55 | abrotman | Sandman: it can work .. it can be random |
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| 14:34.10 | abrotman | paulswm: did you watch that numb3rs show ? |
| 14:34.10 | kekostar | blackstar: debian distro didnt find it automaticly :( |
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| 14:34.12 | SquareRt | abrotman: everything in IT at our school seems to be a power play |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | SquareRt: politics |
| 14:34.20 | Sandman | paulswm: Right. It's not completely random. It _can_ predicted to some extent. This is why there are some godly poker players, and some crappy ones. There's reading the other player, making educated guesses (based on percentages) as to what the other player has, etc |
| 14:34.21 | paulswm | Sandman: if you've ever been dealt a straight flush in poker, you know that randomness sometimes appears non-random :) |
| 14:34.22 | blackstar | kekostar, go into terminal |
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| 14:34.42 | blackstar | and then type the commands iwconfig eth0 |
| 14:34.42 | runedude | Blissex: i suppose okay... but i keep getting bad mirrors |
| 14:34.43 | Sandman | paulswm: lol |
| 14:34.51 | blackstar | tell me what you get |
| 14:35.08 | Blissex | runedude: check the mirror list on Debian.org also you only need one good mirror for now. |
| 14:35.10 | kekostar | i am now in windows.. i have it installed in same hardisk.. just tell here i write.. :) |
| 14:35.15 | paulswm | Sandman: re some poker players being better: that has little to do with the cards and everything to do with empathy and acting :) |
| 14:35.18 | kekostar | blackstar: then ? |
| 14:35.20 | runedude | ok :) |
| 14:35.25 | Sandman | paulswm: Right. But that doesn't mean it's not completely random. THe mind, for example, is a patterning system. Take a look at a TV with the cable unplugged once, and then think of a circle. THe screen itself is completely random, but if you think of a circle while looking at it, you will literally see a circle. |
| 14:35.37 | Sandman | paulswm: Or, if you think of a triangle, you will literally see a triangle among the chaos. |
| 14:35.46 | Sandman | paulswm: This is the very principle I'm looking to investigate |
| 14:35.51 | SquareRt | abrotman: /me kinda wishes the librarians ran the IT dept and the IT people ran the library... it would serve the IT people right and things would be so much better |
| 14:36.00 | Sandman | paulswm: The potential of deriving order out of chaos. |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | SquareRt: heh |
| 14:36.03 | SquareRt | but it would make the library so totalitarian |
| 14:36.05 | quittt | Sandman, how is going? |
| 14:36.06 | blackstar | well basically you need to find out what is going on with eth0 |
| 14:36.12 | Sandman | quittt: It's going. |
| 14:36.16 | paulswm | Sandman: because your brain's function is to present to you the world in a way which maximises your chances of survival |
| 14:36.19 | quittt | Sandman, great =D |
| 14:36.23 | blackstar | and to do that in terminal type iwconfig eth0 |
| 14:36.26 | Sandman | quittt: You? |
| 14:36.27 | SquareRt | abrotman: the librarians are friendly and are like your best mate by comparison to the IT people |
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| 14:36.40 | abrotman | SquareRt: imagine dealing with stupid people all day :) |
| 14:36.41 | blackstar | dhclient eth0 |
| 14:36.46 | blackstar | should start it up |
| 14:36.51 | quittt | doing great |
| 14:36.56 | quittt | I installed Debian |
| 14:36.58 | SquareRt | abrotman: heh |
| 14:37.00 | kekostar | blackstar: i try try that.. thanks |
| 14:37.02 | paulswm | Sandman: it's arguable whether anything is truly random, although small particle mechanics is really weird |
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| 14:37.03 | quittt | Slackware wasnt working for me.... |
| 14:37.04 | SquareRt | abrotman: I get that.. it's called family |
| 14:37.11 | blackstar | that is odd...just your rebooting with the cable plugged in should work |
| 14:37.11 | quittt | because I always wanted updates and updates |
| 14:37.18 | blackstar | keep trying kekostar |
| 14:37.28 | SquareRt | abrotman: I give my mum my sophos license as I don't run windows anymore.. and what thanks do I get? I have to admin it |
| 14:37.31 | SquareRt | lol |
| 14:37.34 | kekostar | yeah, thanx blackstar ;) |
| 14:37.41 | abrotman | Sandman: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=computer+randomness&btnG=Google+Search ... the third and fourth look interesting |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | SquareRt: that's ok ... i'd rather that |
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| 14:38.01 | Sandman | quittt: And we were being so cordial. |
| 14:38.27 | quittt | Sandman, well |
| 14:38.31 | quittt | so is there life ok? |
| 14:38.32 | paulswm | Sandman: although it's possible to achieve a kind of debian chaos by installing woody and mixing in a few packages from sarge and sid |
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| 14:38.37 | quittt | and you NETBSD distro? |
| 14:38.38 | abrotman | !bobbitt! |
| 14:38.39 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 14:38.40 | quittt | how is going? |
| 14:38.43 | Sandman | paulswm: Actually, according to The New Physics, I forget the author, subatomic particles like electrons don't actually move. They disappear and reappear in different places |
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| 14:38.52 | Sandman | paulswm: I think that's what it was saying.. |
| 14:39.01 | SquareRt | abrotman: and then there's my sister... she's 9... and has NO patience... whatsoever... she says she wants to do a drawing in GIMP and then doesn't listen to your instructions or you get her to plan it out on paper for what layers then she goes and ignores the plan completely |
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| 14:39.11 | usn | usn, arriving |
| 14:39.15 | sbeckwi | is something wrong with people.debian.org? I really need the modules preload floppy |
| 14:39.21 | Sandman | paulswm: "electroncs" are a spacial phenomena or some such |
| 14:39.22 | SquareRt | abrotman: and if you try to tell her how to fix something she'll spend all of 10 seconds listening then run off |
| 14:39.25 | SquareRt | lol |
| 14:39.28 | Sandman | paulswm: electrons |
| 14:39.34 | paulswm | Sandman: yes, that's what I mean by weird, Heisenberg, all that stuff |
| 14:39.48 | SquareRt | abrotman: and whenever I find a nice gaping security hole at school... the answer I get from the head of IT is "who'd want to break into our systems... besides... it'd be a breach of the computer misuse act" |
| 14:40.01 | abrotman | SquareRt: she'll learn |
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| 14:40.05 | sbeckwi | is something wrong with people.debian.org? I really need the modules preload floppy |
| 14:40.17 | abrotman | SquareRt: maybe you sohuld record those conversations :) |
| 14:40.24 | runedude | Ewe. AU mirrors are slow, however, they do provide good files |
| 14:40.28 | `ace | Is there anyone who could tell me what I need to do to install gnome? |
| 14:40.33 | paulswm | Sandman: things were simpler when the world was flat and supported by four elephants |
| 14:40.33 | Sandman | paulswm: If it were possible to read the location of electrons in a cloud.. well, that would be something. There are huge, massive implications of that ability. Such as, the ability to create a "matrix"-like world inside a box (except without all the people slave-serving as batteries) |
| 14:40.35 | abrotman | `ace: sarge ? |
| 14:40.40 | Sandman | paulswm: Yeah |
| 14:40.53 | `ace | I'm sorry abrotman? |
| 14:40.59 | abrotman | `ace: are you running sarge? |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | or testing ? |
| 14:41.12 | SquareRt | abrotman: with respect to my sister or the head of IT? |
| 14:41.17 | paulswm | Sandman: I'm going to drop out of this discussion, it's taking up too much space in the channel |
| 14:41.27 | abrotman | SquareRt: IT guy |
| 14:41.32 | Sandman | paulswm: Agreed. |
| 14:41.47 | Sandman | paulswm: /m me on it if you want. Actually, may I /m you? |
| 14:41.55 | Sandman | brb |
| 14:41.58 | SquareRt | abrotman: the problem is... the head of IT is now also my tutor and my computing teacher for 6 lessons a week... so I have to try not to burn too many bridges lol |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | SquareRt: beat him up |
| 14:42.10 | quittt | Sandman, you are Sandman not Sandman1 heh |
| 14:42.20 | sbeckwi | is something wrong with people.debian.org? I really need the modules preload floppy |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | sbeckwi: /topic |
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| 14:43.36 | abrotman | `ace: please don't |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | `ace: i just need to know which version of debian you're running |
| 14:43.52 | SquareRt | considering I need to get AAB to get into Warwick uni and if I don't cut through the (politics etc) crap and get the plot straight for this school sen timetabling coursework project I'm not going to get an A in computing... so I need him on my side |
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| 14:44.02 | sbeckwi | abrotman: is there another place to get the modules? |
| 14:44.05 | abrotman | !sing thomas_adam |
| 14:44.05 | dpkg | thomas_adam was an IRCer, alas he is no more, for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4 |
| 14:44.10 | abrotman | sbeckwi: google maybe has mirror ? |
| 14:44.15 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 14:44.16 | `ace | abrotman, I'm testing |
| 14:44.32 | abrotman | `ace: do you want *all* of gnome or just enough to get the basics? |
| 14:44.37 | Sandman | quittt: Of course. Sandman1 is the fella who's been trying to get my nick for upwards of 2 years now. |
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| 14:44.44 | Sandman | quittt: A few times, I really considered giving it to him. =) |
| 14:44.55 | abrotman | SquareRt: i went to uni for a long time .. to do development .. ended up .. i really like admin stuff |
| 14:45.03 | Sandman | quittt: I think he's earned it with a few well-written howto's |
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| 14:46.04 | paulswm | Sandman: I don't have a lot of time right now, I'm (in parallel) sorting out a problem on a production system - I reccommend to you Knuth's books aforementioed, one of the volumes is on random numbers, they were published in 1972 but I assume still in print |
| 14:46.43 | Sandman | paulswm: Thanks. Maybe we'll talk about my ideas more in depth someday, as well. |
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| 14:47.09 | abrotman | Sandman: did you check those google links? |
| 14:47.11 | paulswm | Sandman: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html |
| 14:47.14 | SquareRt | abrotman: my problem is... since moving away from windows... my admin skills and instincts on windows have deteriorated somewhat... although I'm still pretty good with VB (although I have to look the APIs up now lol)... I've been using basic for... over a decade... and although my admin skills have gotten steadily stronger over the past 3 years on debian, my programming skills have not really improved... I still cant 'C' for toffee |
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| 14:47.38 | caphuso | only one chapter of TAOCP is about random numbers |
| 14:47.38 | quittt | hehe |
| 14:47.39 | asg | SquareRt: then Perl for fun and profit |
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| 14:47.44 | RoNiS | hi |
| 14:47.50 | SquareRt | asg: heh... /me uses PHP lol |
| 14:47.50 | `ace | abrotman, all of it |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | SquareRt: i lost interest in coding at some point |
| 14:48.10 | RoNiS | how i can modify my partition table with debian-instaler? i just see options to let it how it is and to eraser everything |
| 14:48.10 | abrotman | `ace: apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core |
| 14:48.12 | asg | SquareRt: the use of the one doesn't preclude the use of the other |
| 14:48.16 | asg | SquareRt: :) |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | SquareRt: not that i don't like programming |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | SquareRt: but .. the stuff .. like genetics |
| 14:48.43 | `ace | couldn't find the package |
| 14:48.49 | `ace | I had this problem earlier |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | paulswm: no .. i like to program ... don't get me wrong .. i love algorthms .. |
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| 14:49.00 | abrotman | paulswm: i love data structures |
| 14:49.02 | Sandman | abrotman: Looking it all over, yes. |
| 14:49.04 | paulswm | abrotman: j/k :) |
| 14:49.14 | abrotman | paulswm: maybe it was that i wasn't given anything interesting to code |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | paulswm: uni exercises aren't the same as real world stuff i guess |
| 14:49.42 | Sandman | paulswm: I've got quite a it of info off wikipedia.org =) |
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| 14:49.48 | Sandman | paulswm: Thanks for the suggestions. |
| 14:49.50 | abrotman | paulswm: even at uni .. i would go off and code my own stuff because thiers were damn boring |
| 14:49.50 | SquareRt | abrotman: I'm somewhat of a rogue at college... I've put xemacs on a lonely fileshare somewhere and the others in my Computing class found it and now use it to play tetris lol |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | SquareRt: eww .. vi :) |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | jethro: no |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | jethro: eat an apple |
| 14:50.18 | paulswm | Sandman: it is something I was interested in about 20 years ago, now I'm more interested in data compression :) |
| 14:50.22 | runedude | Blissex: no mirrors really work well |
| 14:50.30 | abrotman | paulswm: remember your uni days? |
| 14:50.38 | jethro | think I ll be unwise instead abrotman |
| 14:50.39 | paulswm | !me flings a slice of pizza at jethro |
| 14:50.41 | dpkg | moi? |
| 14:50.44 | Blissex | runedude: thats impossible... |
| 14:50.56 | runedude | Blissex: well all of them give me some errors |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | paulswm: "Let's parse this file .. it has book numbers .. and authors ... " |
| 14:50.57 | `ace | I don't know why abrotman, but it couldn't find it. I tried apt-get update also but it was just timing out |
| 14:51.01 | SquareRt | abrotman: so I rigged xemacs to run a little program called "Sparkey20" that at random intervals pops up and bounces around the screen and plays back random "Matrix" quotes |
| 14:51.07 | abrotman | `ace: pick a new mirror |
| 14:51.10 | runedude | the packagelist cannot be parced |
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| 14:51.11 | runedude | :/ |
| 14:51.16 | runedude | parsed* |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | SquareRt: you need a hobby:) |
| 14:51.20 | Twitching_Fool | ppl quote the matrix? |
| 14:51.28 | Blissex | runedude: I just tried 'FTP.AT' and 'FTP.IE' and both seem to work. |
| 14:51.30 | equnix | hi everyone, i got a problem with my partition. its a ntfs-partition and i wanna know if im able to read and write to it? |
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| 14:51.31 | runedude | ah |
| 14:51.31 | runedude | ok |
| 14:51.33 | kekostar | hey |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | apparently i've offended paulswm |
| 14:51.40 | paulswm | abrotman: I left Uni early becuase I discovered FORTRAN and didn't want to continue with Electrical Engineering |
| 14:51.41 | caphuso | equnix: yes and no |
| 14:51.44 | kekostar | how i can config my eth0 in debian.. |
| 14:51.50 | abrotman | paulswm: eww .. EE :) |
| 14:51.52 | equnix | caphuso, just read? |
| 14:51.54 | SquareRt | abrotman: I wrote it to show chris (sparkey) that I can whip something up in 50 minutes (one lesson) that's better that he can in a month of spare time (his program, sp17arkey that he wrote to annoy his sister) |
| 14:51.54 | kekostar | iwconfig eth0 dont work |
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| 14:52.11 | abrotman | paulswm: i thought about that at one point .. couldn't figure out what i was going to do with it .. but it was interesting |
| 14:52.18 | kekostar | help pls |
| 14:52.18 | paulswm | abrotman: you didn't offend me in any way |
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| 14:52.23 | SquareRt | 14:51 < abrotman> SquareRt: you need a hobby:) < I have a hobby... I'm a 2nd Tenor in the college chorus |
| 14:52.33 | caphuso | equnix: yeah. there's some way of writing by using some original windows .dll file, it's called captive IIRC, but you're on your own with that |
| 14:52.39 | abrotman | SquareRt: maybe you need two :) |
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| 14:52.48 | runedude | ah |
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| 14:52.52 | runedude | i think its blackdown |
| 14:52.55 | beth | SquareRt: programs written to annoy other people are the best kind |
| 14:52.59 | kekostar | what command i have to use to configure networkcard! |
| 14:53.01 | abrotman | though .. my hobby was pretty erm .. mundane i guess |
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| 14:53.03 | paulswm | SquareRt: heh, I sang Gilbert & SUllivan at school in Wales |
| 14:53.09 | SquareRt | abrotman: apparently I'm a principal tenor now (aka a "big gob" as I'm the oldest) |
| 14:53.19 | SquareRt | paulswm: I am the very model of a modern major general |
| 14:53.25 | runedude | Blissex: it doesnt get "blackdown.org" correctly |
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| 14:53.30 | beth | LA LA LA |
| 14:53.36 | runedude | metalab |
| 14:53.38 | abrotman | dpkg: sing |
| 14:53.38 | dpkg | Everybody's got a water buffalo, yours is fast but mine is slow..... http://www.bpfh.net/stories/tcp-towers/water-buffalo.html |
| 14:53.39 | SquareRt | paulswm: I've information vegetable, animal and mineral... |
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| 14:53.41 | paulswm | SquareRt: great stuff, I did it becuase my parents did |
| 14:53.48 | equnix | caphuso, what about fat32? |
| 14:54.00 | abrotman | does england force you to sing? |
| 14:54.04 | caphuso | equnix: works |
| 14:54.05 | Blissex | runedude: ah yes, thats old, just comment it out. |
| 14:54.12 | asg | abrotman: they did when I was in school there |
| 14:54.14 | runedude | ok |
| 14:54.20 | equnix | caphuso, read and write? |
| 14:54.22 | caphuso | equnix: yeah |
| 14:54.42 | paulswm | caphuso: everybody sings in Wales |
| 14:54.48 | abrotman | asg: 1920s ? |
| 14:54.54 | asg | abrotman: nah, 1970s |
| 14:54.55 | SquareRt | paulswm: heh... one of my mates (ashley) who was a tenor a couple years above me in the chorus is now doing computer science at nottingham university and he's the musical director of the gilbert and sullivan society there. needless to say he was a very good piano player and an excellent music student... the head of music thinks it was a terrible waste to go into IT lol |
| 14:54.59 | kekostar | abrotman: you re the guru :D tell me hoq to conf my laptops network card in debian.. |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | kekostar: etherconf ? |
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| 14:55.17 | abrotman | is the card even detected? |
| 14:55.22 | abrotman | and how am i the guru!!?!?! |
| 14:55.24 | kekostar | nope |
| 14:55.25 | SquareRt | abrotman: they don't make us sing (at least, not since primary school where we had "Junior Hymn Practice" pffft)... I do it by choice :) |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | asg: i'm the guru? |
| 14:55.30 | runedude | Blissex: still more errors with the logic mirror and stuff |
| 14:55.37 | kekostar | yes you are :d |
| 14:55.41 | Blissex | runedude: well, for now ignore them. |
| 14:55.44 | paulswm | it takes forever to run Oracle stats on billion-row tables |
| 14:55.47 | kekostar | no that is no detected.. |
| 14:55.48 | asg | abrotman: heh, apparently |
| 14:55.50 | equnix | caphuso, is it just to mount the device and set chmod? |
| 14:55.55 | abrotman | SquareRt: paulswm: one of my favorite songs is some celtic or welsh tune from empire of the sun |
| 14:55.57 | Blissex | runedude: try again the 'apt-get install' of the 2.4.18 kernel image. |
| 14:56.03 | equnix | caphuso, on the fat32-partition? |
| 14:56.13 | runedude | ok |
| 14:56.14 | kekostar | llaptop is ibm thinkpad t30 intelchipset 10/100 |
| 14:56.17 | abrotman | paulswm: just skip the last 800 million |
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| 14:56.29 | abrotman | kekostar: pcmcia? |
| 14:56.30 | SquareRt | abrotman: I think it's immoral that when I was in primary school (it was C of E Aided) that you'd get told off if you didn't read along to the lord's prayer and sing the hymns |
| 14:56.41 | kekostar | abrot nope.. integrated.. |
| 14:56.47 | abrotman | kekostar: lspci |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | what is it |
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| 14:56.53 | SquareRt | abrotman: considering it's the only primary school in the area |
| 14:56.56 | runedude | oonsoo doesnt work Blissex |
| 14:57.16 | `ace | I might just stick with KDE for now abrotman, thanks though |
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| 14:57.22 | SquareRt | abrotman: I used to just mime "jesus" et al in "all things bright and beautiful" lol... that was an awful song |
| 14:57.28 | DanV | hello. I have a fresh debian install, and when I upgrade the kernel ( tried both 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 ) it dies after the Loading linux.... part |
| 14:57.33 | runedude | Error occured while processing oonsoo (New Version1) |
| 14:57.34 | equnix | does anyone know how to get to my fat32-partition? i want to read and write to it |
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| 14:57.43 | Blissex | runedude: ill try to check things out for you, wait a bit. |
| 14:57.48 | abrotman | paulswm: SquareRt : SUO GAN is the name of the song in the movie .. but apparently it is welsh or something |
| 14:57.49 | acc3 | where is /etc/ttys in debian? how do you replace gdm? |
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| 14:57.51 | runedude | k |
| 14:57.55 | Hans2000 | hello |
| 14:58.03 | kekostar | abrotman: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) Chipset Controller (rev 42) |
| 14:58.03 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 14:58.04 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 14:58.14 | abrotman | kekostar: that's not it i don't htink |
| 14:58.26 | abrotman | kekostar: mine is like this 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
| 14:58.39 | DanV | it only gets to display "Bios data check successful"... then it stops |
| 14:58.56 | equnix | dpkg, what about fat32? |
| 14:58.57 | dpkg | equnix: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:59.00 | Hans2000 | how can I install debian sarge on my old pentium 60? I can't boot from cd with this machine :( can I use a win98 boot disk with cdrom support and install it from there? |
| 14:59.04 | abrotman | !fat32 |
| 14:59.04 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 14:59.07 | equnix | dpkg, fat32 |
| 14:59.14 | kekostar | abrotman: 08:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) Chipset Controller (rev 42) |
| 14:59.22 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 14:59.22 | asg | Hans2000: do you have a floppy drive in it? |
| 14:59.25 | Hans2000 | yes |
| 14:59.26 | abrotman | kekostar: sounds like e100 |
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| 14:59.34 | asg | Hans2000: then you can create boot floppies |
| 14:59.37 | kekostar | yep.. |
| 14:59.41 | acc3 | where is /etc/ttys in debian? how do you replace gdm? |
| 14:59.42 | kekostar | how i can fix it :) |
| 14:59.44 | abrotman | SquareRt: that song does not sound familiar? |
| 14:59.45 | Hans2000 | how? |
| 14:59.45 | asg | Hans2000: the install guide provides all the available options (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 14:59.55 | paulswm | abrotman: I've seen the movie but don't remember the song and your description is unfamiliar |
| 15:00.04 | SquareRt | abrotman: which one? |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | paulswm: the choir song |
| 15:00.34 | abrotman | SquareRt: a movie called Empire of the Sun |
| 15:00.41 | abrotman | paulswm: remember the beginning? |
| 15:00.45 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 15:01.02 | kekostar | abrotman?? |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | kekostar: e100 i think |
| 15:01.16 | paulswm | abrotman: if you ever go to Wales, try and catch a performance by one of the South Welsh male voice choirs, even if you don't like that kind of music, it will probably bring tears to your eyes, it's so good |
| 15:01.52 | kekostar | abrotman: yes it it e100 but hoq to configure that.. ;) |
| 15:01.54 | abrotman | paulswm: brits can sing? .. you're not all spice girls ? |
| 15:02.09 | abrotman | kekostar: which versino of debian? |
| 15:02.14 | kekostar | latest |
| 15:02.20 | SquareRt | abrotman: british can sing; it's a large but somewhat underground movement; spice girls suck; |
| 15:02.29 | asg | abrotman: does having a tatoo of baby spice on one's bum count? |
| 15:02.44 | paulswm | abrotman: singing really is a deeply embedded tradition in Wales, watch "How Green Was My Valley" |
| 15:02.44 | SquareRt | asg: y'wot? lol |
| 15:03.08 | abrotman | paulswm: http://ingeb.org/songs/suogan.html |
| 15:03.14 | abrotman | asg: you do ? |
| 15:03.23 | abrotman | kekostar: modconf .. find e100 |
| 15:03.23 | equnix | dpkg, windows |
| 15:03.23 | dpkg | it has been said that windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 15:03.26 | asg | SquareRt: I had an odd dream sometime back with that subject; I'm still trying to deconstruct it's meaning |
| 15:03.30 | equnix | dpkg, debian |
| 15:03.30 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 15:03.36 | equnix | dpkg, free |
| 15:03.37 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 15:03.37 | asg | equnix: /msg the bots please |
| 15:03.40 | sussudio | !fist equnix |
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| 15:04.22 | runedude | !fist sussudio |
| 15:04.31 | sussudio | monkey see, monkey do |
| 15:04.49 | SquareRt | sussudio: monkey C? is that like NQC? |
| 15:04.54 | abrotman | paulswm: seem more familiar now? |
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| 15:05.03 | SquareRt | paulswm: in what respect? |
| 15:05.15 | paulswm | abrotman: I can't put a tune to it |
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| 15:05.29 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.29 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.29 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.29 | SquareRt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:05.30 | sussudio | lewinsky: do you automatically join the channel on keyword "suck"? |
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| 15:05.41 | cdc | i am using Debian Sarge and i upgraded from KDE 3.2 to KDE 3.3 and i also upgraded kdm but now in kdm the user account is alone getting listed but not the root account and when i type in root and enter the password it says root access not allowed |
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| 15:05.52 | SquareRt | oh dear... looks like 4 lines is too much |
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| 15:05.58 | sussudio | no shit |
| 15:05.59 | paulswm | SquareRt: poor attempt at questionable humor, forget I said it |
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| 15:06.13 | AciD`` | is it me or people.debian.org's down ? |
| 15:06.16 | SquareRt | paulswm: sorry, thought that perhaps "suck" was not a popular term in america |
| 15:06.18 | cdc | i am using Debian Sarge and i upgraded from KDE 3.2 to KDE 3.3 and i also upgraded kdm but now in kdm the user account is alone getting listed but not the root account and when i type in root and enter the password it says root access not allowed |
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| 15:06.28 | sussudio | !topicbadger AciD`` |
| 15:06.28 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that AciD`` didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 15:06.35 | abrotman | paulswm: you have realplayer thing? |
| 15:06.40 | paulswm | SquareRt: it's certainly a popular occupation, heh |
| 15:06.49 | AciD`` | hm k |
| 15:06.51 | SquareRt | paulswm: :P |
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| 15:06.59 | SquareRt | paulswm: thoroughly imbued with humour. |
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| 15:07.02 | Blissex | runedude: still there? |
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| 15:07.20 | paulswm | abrotman: if it doesn't work I can always <looks around and ducks> boot up XP |
| 15:07.29 | cdc | could anyone help me pls ? |
| 15:07.33 | cdc | i am using Debian Sarge and i upgraded from KDE 3.2 to KDE 3.3 and i also upgraded kdm but now in kdm the user account is alone getting listed but not the root account and when i type in root and enter the password it says root access not allowed |
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| 15:07.35 | sussudio | cdc: no |
| 15:07.36 | runedude | Blissex: yes |
| 15:07.45 | SquareRt | cdc: indeed. |
| 15:07.50 | SquareRt | !root |
| 15:07.51 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 15:08.00 | paulswm | !beat paulswm for considering booting up XP |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | paulswm: they have RP for linux .. let me see if i can find mp3 |
| 15:08.17 | Blissex | runedude: download http://WWW,sabi.co.UK/xirc/sources.list and copy it to '/etc/apt/sources.list' and then run 'apt-get update' |
| 15:08.20 | runedude | ok |
| 15:08.29 | SquareRt | !beat cdc for considering remotely thinking about the possibility of logging in as root in the GUI |
| 15:08.35 | paulswm | abrotman: oh, I don't have it installed, have xine though |
| 15:08.37 | Blissex | runedude: I have just updated with mirrors that work right now |
| 15:08.39 | runedude | ok |
| 15:08.40 | runedude | :) |
| 15:08.41 | runedude | thnx |
| 15:08.59 | SquareRt | cdc: have you heard of the console? |
| 15:09.00 | kekostar | abrotman: thanks you re ther guru ;) |
| 15:09.31 | Blissex | runedude: also download http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/xirc/apt.conf and copy that to '/etc/apt/apt.conf' |
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| 15:09.52 | runedude | tnx:) |
| 15:09.57 | paulswm | cdc: use a text console, or log in to X as a normal user, open a terminal and su to root or better yet sudo the command |
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| 15:10.12 | cdc | SquareRt, whether i log in as root or as an user is left to my discretion my question is why is this happening and i want a solution for this |
| 15:10.18 | cdc | paulswm, i dont want an alternative |
| 15:10.22 | cdc | i want a solution |
| 15:10.30 | runedude | Blissex: |
| 15:10.30 | abrotman | paulswm: http://www.nightheron.com/media/MP3s/suogan.mp3 |
| 15:10.32 | useruser | when I plug in an external hard disk via usb, I want all partitions on it to be automagically mounted with certain permissions. How can I do that? |
| 15:10.35 | runedude | apt.conf dont exist |
| 15:10.35 | Blissex | runedude: after that 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' |
| 15:10.36 | runedude | :/ |
| 15:10.42 | abrotman | paulswm: that's the tune .. no singing |
| 15:10.42 | teclo | Hello. I am usings "sensors", but I can't see the CPU temperature, I can only see what kind of RAM I have and things like "Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter" ... any idea ? |
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| 15:10.52 | cdc | SquareRt, if u r gonna give me alternatives then the software is not fit to be released its jink |
| 15:10.55 | cdc | junk |
| 15:10.59 | SquareRt | cdc: check the config files in /etc/X11/kdm |
| 15:11.05 | Blissex | runedude: also download http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/apt.conf and copy that to '/etc/apt/apt.conf' (oops) |
| 15:11.13 | paulswm | cdc: well given your attitude, I'll leave you to your own devices |
| 15:11.13 | runedude | oh |
| 15:11.15 | SquareRt | cdc: I don't run kdm and haven't for a long time, so I can't recall exactly what it is |
| 15:11.17 | runedude | ok:) |
| 15:11.21 | SquareRt | cdc: but it's a default setting |
| 15:11.32 | SquareRt | cdc: and it should be defined in there somewhere |
| 15:11.33 | snoopy | hi just resurected pentium133/debian woody |
| 15:11.33 | Blissex | teclo: that may be because your mb real sensor chipset is not supported. |
| 15:11.39 | cdc | SquareRt, disabling root is a default setting? |
| 15:11.57 | Blissex | teclo: or maybe your sensors config does not specify the right driver. |
| 15:11.58 | SquareRt | cdc: no, disabling root in the graphical environment is a default setting |
| 15:11.59 | teclo | Blissex: it's a HP Vectra with a 333 MHz Pentium II .... |
| 15:12.09 | runedude | gotcha Blissex |
| 15:12.11 | abrotman | paulswm: make sense now? |
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| 15:12.26 | cdc | SquareRt, but why this didnt happen in KDE 3.2 when i was having a previous version of kdm |
| 15:12.26 | Blissex | teclo: read the sensors configuration docs... getting the sensors working is not trivial. |
| 15:12.37 | SquareRt | cdc: root is in no way disabled... if you don't believe me, check /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/pam.d/* |
| 15:12.38 | p88 | anyone has nice uptimes? |
| 15:12.49 | p88 | ;) |
| 15:12.51 | abrotman | p88: 604 days |
| 15:13.01 | p88 | ! |
| 15:13.01 | paulswm | abrotman: will get to it in a few secs |
| 15:13.01 | SquareRt | cdc: and, of course, if you're a conspiracy theorist, check /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:13.05 | cdc | has it got anything to the version of kde or has it got anything to do with kdm |
| 15:13.10 | abrotman | p88: but you're on aol .. what do you know about uptime |
| 15:13.12 | runedude | YES |
| 15:13.16 | runedude | Blissex: it finally worked |
| 15:13.17 | SquareRt | cdc: it's the kdm /config/ |
| 15:13.19 | SquareRt | cdc: go edit it |
| 15:13.20 | runedude | lemme try the kernel update now |
| 15:13.22 | p88 | abrotman: ? |
| 15:13.25 | caphuso | # penis-uptime.pl |
| 15:13.25 | caphuso | 8==========D |
| 15:13.27 | snoopy | amazing a lot of elctric bill! |
| 15:13.32 | abrotman | p88: /whois p88 |
| 15:13.36 | runedude | Blissex: couldnt find the update |
| 15:13.42 | teclo | Blissex: well I did "sensors-detect" and it detected and installed i2c-piix4 |
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| 15:13.51 | p88 | abrotman: yes but what do you mean |
| 15:13.56 | Blissex | runedude: which update? |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | what do you mean what do i mean |
| 15:14.08 | teclo | Blissex: and, for instance, on another box (Pentium 4 @ 2.4 GHz), sensors does show the cpu temperature |
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| 15:14.11 | abrotman | AOL only runs on windows ? |
| 15:14.13 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 15:14.13 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 15:14.24 | p88 | abrotman: nope |
| 15:14.25 | runedude | Blissex: kernel .. |
| 15:14.27 | p88 | freebsd |
| 15:14.33 | runedude | kernel image |
| 15:14.40 | abrotman | p88: but you're in #debian ? |
| 15:14.45 | abrotman | p88: don't fucking do that |
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| 15:14.50 | p88 | just for uptimes |
| 15:14.53 | snoopy | Do AOL really run on knoppix?--I mean the dial up thing. |
| 15:14.54 | Blissex | runedude: try 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' |
| 15:14.57 | p88 | sorry abrotman |
| 15:15.01 | p88 | :( |
| 15:15.01 | runedude | ok |
| 15:15.02 | SquareRt | cdc: http://docs.kde.org/en/3.3/kdebase/kdm/kdm-files.html < see "AllowRootLogin" |
| 15:15.12 | p88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | p88: xchat on debian .. good enough? |
| 15:15.14 | SquareRt | cdc: "If disabled, don't allow root (and any other user with UID = 0) to log in directly." |
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| 15:15.20 | Hans2000 | what can I do with this NTRawrite.exe ? |
| 15:15.23 | cdc | SquareRt, thanks |
| 15:15.25 | runedude | ok a shitload comes up Blissex |
| 15:15.31 | cdc | SquareRt, will look into it |
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| 15:15.51 | Blissex | runedude: try 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18' now |
| 15:15.59 | runedude | ok |
| 15:16.00 | SquareRt | cdc: I suspected you hadn't figured it out from my general hand-waving in the right direction... so I thought I'd get you specific details |
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| 15:16.17 | runedude | some stuff omes up Blissex it scrolls the screen |
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| 15:16.47 | snoopy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.56 | Blissex | runedude: good, it should be a bit less than twenty lines |
| 15:17.00 | runedude | yes |
| 15:17.01 | runedude | Exactly. |
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| 15:17.25 | runedude | Blissex: it has around that. |
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| 15:17.26 | abrotman | oh my god .. they made a The Mask sequel |
| 15:17.30 | REAL | im installing debian, but i cant find the module 8139too, i readed that i have to load the realtek module, but i cant find it anyone, can someone please tell me where it is or whats the name for it... because i want to use inet.. |
| 15:17.44 | abrotman | REAL: which version fo debian ? |
| 15:17.48 | Blissex | runedude: so the kernel image is there and available and should installl |
| 15:17.53 | runedude | Blissex: ok |
| 15:18.00 | cdc | SquareRt, thanks for ur help |
| 15:18.01 | Blissex | runedude: try again 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386' |
| 15:18.06 | runedude | ok:))) |
| 15:18.07 | runedude | i got it |
| 15:18.09 | Blissex | runedude: and msg me the output of that. |
| 15:18.11 | abrotman | Blissex: not in woody |
| 15:18.15 | Blissex | runedude: and msg me the output of that. if it fails. |
| 15:18.17 | abrotman | Blissex: you ned the -1- |
| 15:18.18 | REAL | abrotman: is debian woody cd with bf24 |
| 15:18.20 | runedude | Blissex: |
| 15:18.21 | REAL | 3.0 |
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| 15:18.24 | abrotman | REAL: for a workstation? |
| 15:18.27 | runedude | i did it without the -386 |
| 15:18.36 | runedude | oh wait |
| 15:18.38 | runedude | with the 386 works |
| 15:18.45 | runedude | ill start the download |
| 15:18.51 | REAL | abrotman: yep, i installed debian many times with this cd its the first time i cant find the module =/ |
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| 15:19.11 | Blissex | abrotman: the poor guy has a 'sources.list' I gave him with 'backports.org' in it.... |
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| 15:19.24 | abrotman | Blissex: oh dear |
| 15:19.24 | Ghita | Hi everybody |
| 15:19.29 | abrotman | !tell REAL about d-i |
| 15:19.34 | abrotman | REAL: you'll be much happier |
| 15:19.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. is d-i down this weekend? |
| 15:19.40 | rob05 | hi everyone |
| 15:19.50 | rob05 | Gnea u there |
| 15:20.19 | Ghita | i've juste receive my new computer with an amd 64 3200+proc |
| 15:20.34 | useruser | how do I list all packages depending on a given package? |
| 15:20.41 | Ghita | i'd like to install a sarge on it with a net install cd |
| 15:20.48 | ekaf | well wish me luck everyone, im about to enter the world of *nix... |
| 15:20.54 | REAL | abrotman: i now, i dont use woody i just use the cd for the install i only install the necesary for debian then i change the sources.list and i upgrade to sid... but i still need to load the module to do that but i cant find the module on modconf .. =/ |
| 15:20.54 | caphuso | useruser: "apt-cache showpkg foo" and look at the reverse depends |
| 15:20.58 | snoopy | GR8 AMD64 man! |
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| 15:21.06 | abrotman | REAL: and i'm telling you to use the sarge installer |
| 15:21.17 | Ghita | but thins link doesn't work |
| 15:21.17 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 15:21.17 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
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| 15:21.35 | abrotman | Ghita: ask #debian-amd64 .. and alioth is down .. read the topic |
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| 15:22.00 | useruser | caphuso: cool, thanks |
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| 15:22.22 | lewinsky | sussudio: what was that all about when i joined?? |
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| 15:22.49 | paulswm | p88: belated bit of trivia: there are some Stratus boxes which have been running continuously without reboot for well over a decade |
| 15:22.55 | SquareRt | real: so, your plan is to do bare install of woody then dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 15:22.59 | abrotman | paulswm: he's gone |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | paulswm: song ring a bell? |
| 15:23.05 | lewinsky | oki |
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| 15:23.16 | Blissex | runedude: as to the XF86Config, change it back so that the mouse path is still '/dev/input/mice' |
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| 15:23.32 | Blissex | runedude: then when the kernel is downloaded is installed, reboot. |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 15:23.58 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 15:24.04 | paulswm | abrotman: I never configured linux sound on this box (Turtle Beach Santa Cruz card) so I'm booting up a lappy to listen to it |
| 15:24.05 | runedude | ok:)) |
| 15:24.14 | abrotman | paulswm: slacker! |
| 15:24.19 | SquareRt | real: why not just use the sarge debian-installer CD (new installer is F.A.B, baby!) and start in expert mode and tell it to use unstable instead of sarge |
| 15:24.34 | paulswm | abrotman: I know |
| 15:24.40 | SquareRt | paulswm: stratus?? |
| 15:24.48 | SquareRt | !stratus |
| 15:25.02 | runedude | k Blissex |
| 15:25.05 | runedude | brb rebooting comp |
| 15:25.12 | Lo_Meinix | I've got a question or a couple of them really. 1) When I compiled my kernel 2.4.29 my nic stopped being configured by DHCP......can someone help me understand why this might be? |
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| 15:26.01 | abrotman | !dhcp kernel |
| 15:26.01 | dpkg | Use CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) (dhcp-client package requires it) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
| 15:26.10 | jahi | are there locations, which are not down for the weekend? |
| 15:26.21 | abrotman | jahi: yes |
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| 15:26.24 | abrotman | jahi: for what? |
| 15:26.27 | equnix | hi all |
| 15:26.29 | jahi | xfce |
| 15:26.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:26.35 | abrotman | apt-mirror ? |
| 15:26.37 | abrotman | err .. |
| 15:26.39 | abrotman | fuck me |
| 15:26.41 | jahi | abrotman: yes |
| 15:26.41 | lobomufas | Lo_Meinix: you need support on CONFIG_PACKET, CONFIG_IP_PNP and CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP |
| 15:26.42 | Lo_Meinix | abrotman hey thanks that's what I needed. |
| 15:26.45 | abrotman | jahi: xfci for what? |
| 15:26.53 | equnix | whats the configure command when you wanna install a program? |
| 15:27.09 | jahi | abrotman: i want to install xfce4 from apt |
| 15:27.09 | snoopy | logout |
| 15:27.13 | abrotman | jahi: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 15:27.15 | paulswm | SquareRt: Stratus boxes: high availability, everything duplicated, can lose hardware and have it replaced without skipping a beat, you can even set them up to automatically order replacement parts when something dies, very cool, very expensive: http://www.stratus.com/ |
| 15:27.22 | abrotman | jahi: if it's broken .. pick another mirror |
| 15:27.23 | equnix | like: "conf && make && make install" |
| 15:27.27 | jahi | abrotman: sure, but ftp.de.debian.org is down ... |
| 15:27.39 | abrotman | apt-setup .. pick anothre mirror |
| 15:27.42 | jahi | abrotman: so im asking for morros .. |
| 15:27.47 | jahi | a |
| 15:27.49 | jahi | ah |
| 15:27.49 | abrotman | equnix: apt-get install |
| 15:28.14 | equnix | abrotman, without apt-get... like manual installation |
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| 15:28.31 | abrotman | equnix: if you don't know how .. you shouldn't |
| 15:28.41 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 15:28.41 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 15:28.46 | equnix | abrotman, i wanna learn |
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| 15:29.10 | abrotman | !debian reference |
| 15:29.10 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 15:29.12 | equnix | abrotman, why shouldnt i? |
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| 15:29.20 | abrotman | equnix: i just showed you .. |
| 15:29.24 | paulswm | SquareRt: we use them for credit card verification |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | equnix: and I KNOW .. those kinds of software things have a README or INSTALL file in the tar.gz |
| 15:29.38 | abrotman | read it |
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| 15:29.55 | Blissex | equnix: learning is by reading more than doing, unless it is for woodworking :-) |
| 15:29.57 | kekostar | Select the desired defaut display manager: gdm, xdm, kdm. whitch i have to select fot my llaptop? |
| 15:29.57 | jahi | abrotman: thank you, im on my way now :) |
| 15:30.09 | Ghita | is there somewhere else than alioth i could download the net installer for amd64?? |
| 15:30.11 | abrotman | jahi: ok .. good |
| 15:30.16 | abrotman | Ghita: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 15:30.21 | Blissex | kekostar: the one you like best... |
| 15:30.30 | abrotman | kekostar: whichever you choose .. |
| 15:30.31 | Blissex | kekostar: if you use KDE, select 'kdm'. |
| 15:30.32 | Ghita | nobody answer me |
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| 15:30.44 | abrotman | Ghita: then wait .. they know about it .. we don't |
| 15:30.54 | kekostar | okey thanks |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | Ghita: you're really going to have to wait .. |
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| 15:31.01 | abrotman | !tell REAL about away |
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| 15:31.15 | teclo | Hello, I still have issues with lm-sensors |
| 15:31.23 | teclo | the command sensors doesn't show the temperature and stuff |
| 15:31.50 | teclo | It's a Pentium II and I'm using the i2c-piix4 module |
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| 15:32.36 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:32.52 | ribnitz | how do I fix a borked partition table? (overlapping partitions)? |
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| 15:33.05 | Ghita | abrotman, why do you say that |
| 15:33.13 | abrotman | Ghita: say what? |
| 15:33.20 | abrotman | jethro: you're fucked now |
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| 15:33.31 | eye69 | ribnitz: 'gpart' might be able to fix it. |
| 15:33.33 | Ghita | i have to wait |
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| 15:33.39 | jethro | abrotman: I m sleepy |
| 15:33.45 | abrotman | Ghita: oh .. because they would be the only ones who know |
| 15:33.59 | eye69 | ribnitz: Don't take my word for it though...read up on it. |
| 15:34.01 | ribnitz | eye69: does that need a gui? |
| 15:34.08 | Ghita | ah ok thanks |
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| 15:34.14 | kekostar | i have finnish keyboard.. Pease select your keyboard variant.. ? what i have to put there.. |
| 15:34.16 | eye69 | ribnitz: |
| 15:34.19 | eye69 | ribnitz: No. |
| 15:34.28 | paulswm | abrotman: yes, I recognize it now, what a beautiful tune |
| 15:34.31 | abrotman | kekostar: the one that matches your keyboard |
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| 15:34.36 | abrotman | paulswm: it is welsh? |
| 15:34.50 | eye69 | ribnitz: It works by looking at the disk structure and guesses what partition structures might have existed. |
| 15:34.50 | kekostar | abrotman: fi_FI@euro ISO-8859-15 |
| 15:34.54 | kekostar | ? |
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| 15:34.59 | teclo | Anybody paying attention to #flood ? I will now paste the output of the "sensors" command on my Pentium II.... |
| 15:34.59 | abrotman | so pick it? .. i'm not finish? |
| 15:35.13 | paulswm | abrotman: yes, the song is, don't know who wrote the tune, but it is so familiar now I hear it |
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| 15:35.23 | abrotman | paulswm: seems to be old . dunno |
| 15:35.25 | Blissex | teclo: try... |
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| 15:35.33 | abrotman | Ghita: did you ask them for a temporary weekend mirror? |
| 15:35.37 | Blissex | runedude: any joy and happiness? |
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| 15:35.49 | paulswm | abrotman: you can see by the lyrics that Welsh is a god language out of which to choose passwords :) |
| 15:35.54 | paulswm | s/god/good/ |
| 15:36.01 | abrotman | paulswm: godly too :) |
| 15:36.16 | abrotman | paulswm: the albanian guy at work uses albanian for his passwords |
| 15:36.19 | Ghita | no |
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| 15:36.59 | Blissex | paulswm: trouble is at the University of Wales they use a welsh dictionary with cracklib, which means that many randomly generated asswords get caught by that too :-) |
| 15:37.00 | paulswm | abrotman: Spoken Welsh is very pleasant to the ear, it has a sing-song kind of rhythm to it |
| 15:37.04 | ribnitz | paulswm: resistant do dictionary attacks? |
| 15:37.06 | anti-windows | Is it just me, or is the initscript for vsftpd broken? (the vsftpd from the debian package repository, that is). when I do '/etc/init.d/vsftpd restart' it tells me 'Restarting FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd binary found running. none killed'. but I know it is running; ps aux | grep vsftpd tells me so. :-/ |
| 15:37.26 | paulswm | Blissex: yes, straight words in any language is a bad idea |
| 15:37.28 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't know anyone who speaks it |
| 15:37.40 | zimnyx | do you guys any problems (banned from serwers) with mldonkey lately? |
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| 15:37.45 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 15:37.52 | sussudio | zimnyx: wrong channel |
| 15:37.57 | zimnyx | ups |
| 15:37.58 | sussudio | (as usual) |
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| 15:38.08 | kos_tom | hello |
| 15:38.33 | zimnyx | bye. |
| 15:38.42 | ribnitz | sussudio: a) worng channel b) wrong question c) We don't know anything about foo.. |
| 15:38.43 | kos_tom | it seems that when there's a PDF file in debian/package-name.docs, then dh_installdocs gzip's it before putting it in /usr/share/doc/package-name/ |
| 15:38.54 | kos_tom | is it normal ? |
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| 15:39.04 | jethro | I ll just play counter strike instead of having a nap |
| 15:39.07 | valentinos | :) i just finished the switch from fc to deb on my router :) |
| 15:39.14 | sussudio | is it made of lemonjuice? |
| 15:39.27 | sussudio | !french |
| 15:39.27 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 15:39.29 | marga | Hi! I'm trying to start a new tty, using rungetty, but I can't get it to start a new console, is it possible to add a new one without modifying the inittab? |
| 15:39.34 | zimnyx | ribnitz: debian has such package, it can have some debian way configuration etc. |
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| 15:39.58 | TheArtist | anyone know why im getting this error >> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0), after only changing the kernel location in the grub entry |
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| 15:40.37 | marga | TheArtist: it's telling you that it can't find the kernel. |
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| 15:40.41 | ribnitz | zimnyx: debian has nothing to do with the data swapped via such services, nor the servers.. |
| 15:40.46 | marga | TheArtist: I mean, the root fs. |
| 15:40.52 | marga | TheArtist: did you change that as well ? |
| 15:40.56 | zimnyx | TheArtist: try to find it with grub command line |
| 15:40.59 | TheArtist | marga, but this kernel can find it np |
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| 15:41.05 | TheArtist | have done so |
| 15:41.19 | paulswm | abrotman: I'll see if I can find something, the accent, of course, is what Tom Jones, Richard Burton, Catherine Zeta Jones and Anthony Hopkins have, all mild though, Tom's being the most pronounced |
| 15:41.31 | marga | TheArtist: you should pass a root=/dev/hdXX param to your kernel. |
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| 15:41.48 | runedude | well |
| 15:41.52 | runedude | it didn't work so well |
| 15:41.55 | TheArtist | marga, i have that in my grub.conf |
| 15:42.00 | abrotman | paulswm: ah .. but that's not welsh |
| 15:42.12 | runedude | Blissex: let's just say it flickered a few times then went to text mode |
| 15:42.15 | marga | TheArtist: and you didn't change it? Then the kernel is faulty. Is it a debian kernel? |
| 15:42.21 | runedude | the display was totally messed up |
| 15:42.22 | paulswm | abrotman: no, I was just mentioning their Welsh accents, that's all |
| 15:42.22 | runedude | also |
| 15:42.27 | runedude | the network went out |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | paulswm: ah .. yeah |
| 15:42.41 | Blissex | runedude: 'modprobe mousedev' |
| 15:42.43 | abrotman | paulswm: is your accent mostly gone now? |
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| 15:42.52 | TheArtist | marga, this is the line in grub.conf kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.25-1-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 15:42.53 | runedude | Blissex: im not on linux atm |
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| 15:42.56 | runedude | well i am |
| 15:42.58 | runedude | a bootable one |
| 15:43.06 | runedude | Blissex: how do you get network set up again? |
| 15:43.10 | runedude | so I can atleast talk |
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| 15:43.20 | TheArtist | marga, i change the kernel to /vmlinuz ( the new one) and thats the error i get |
| 15:43.22 | marga | TheArtist: aha, and which is the one that works? |
| 15:43.34 | zimnyx | TheArtist: i will help you. |
| 15:43.34 | TheArtist | the precompiled one |
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| 15:43.51 | TheArtist | /vmlinuz-2.4.25-1-386 |
| 15:43.57 | marga | TheArtist: you compiled the other one? |
| 15:44.13 | TheArtist | yup |
| 15:44.20 | runedude | Blissex: :) |
| 15:44.24 | marga | TheArtist: then something went wrong in the configuration. |
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| 15:44.26 | zimnyx | TheArtist: kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 |
| 15:44.40 | marga | TheArtist: you'll have to review what you've done and try to fix it. |
| 15:44.43 | paulswm | abrotman: I took leocution lessons when I was young - it was generally thought that being "well-spoken" helped you better in finding employment, so I speak without a regional accent, except when I get mad, or I am in Wales, when I lapse :) |
| 15:44.45 | zimnyx | this is with device in front. |
| 15:44.45 | valentinos | can someone nmap me 83.168.9.198 pls |
| 15:44.51 | paulswm | s/leoc/eloc/ |
| 15:44.56 | TheArtist | zimnyx, change the line to that? |
| 15:44.57 | marga | TheArtist: maybe you forgot ide support, or ext3 support, or something like that. |
| 15:45.12 | runedude | How do you edit your network settings guys, and put them back up? |
| 15:45.12 | marga | TheArtist: you don't have a grub problem. it's a kernel problem. |
| 15:45.16 | runedude | And start the network |
| 15:45.24 | TheArtist | marga, i know i have ext2 and 3 support and afaik i have ide supported, |
| 15:45.29 | zimnyx | TheArtist: (your device)/path/to/kernel |
| 15:45.32 | TheArtist | marga, yeah i thought that myself |
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| 15:45.53 | TheArtist | i think it could be a scsi emu issue |
| 15:45.55 | ribnitz | dpkg, tell me about marillat |
| 15:45.56 | zimnyx | TheArtist: tell me the partition where kernel is, and the kernel name |
| 15:46.08 | abrotman | paulswm: lovely |
| 15:46.09 | Blissex | runedude: 'etherconf' usually |
| 15:46.12 | marga | TheArtist: I don't know but you should check all that. |
| 15:46.24 | marga | zimnyx: it's not a grub problem, he compiled the kernel himself. |
| 15:46.25 | runedude | and is there a way to bring the eth0 up? |
| 15:46.26 | zimnyx | TheArtist: have you succesfully run this kernel yet? |
| 15:46.29 | TheArtist | (hd0,1)/vmlinuz |
| 15:46.36 | TheArtist | nope, not the new one |
| 15:46.54 | zimnyx | TheArtist: missing support for something. (like boot device) |
| 15:47.06 | zimnyx | TheArtist: need to recompile the kernel |
| 15:47.10 | TheArtist | boot dev is ext3 which is supported |
| 15:47.17 | TheArtist | jah i thought so, but change what? |
| 15:47.27 | Blissex | runedude: or just edit directly '/etc/network/interfaces' |
| 15:47.33 | TheArtist | i need to know which config options i need and need not to have |
| 15:47.42 | Blissex | runedude: but switching kernel should have have changed the network config. |
| 15:47.51 | TheArtist | like ide as a block device i think i remember used to mess me up when i wanted scsi emu |
| 15:47.58 | Blissex | runedude: it is more likely that the name of the driver module for your card changed. |
| 15:48.02 | runedude | yes, it did |
| 15:48.19 | zimnyx | TheArtist: do you use ATA hard disk ? |
| 15:48.22 | TheArtist | jah |
| 15:48.25 | TheArtist | two of |
| 15:48.26 | teclo | Blissex: hello :) ... any idea regarding my proble m ? |
| 15:48.30 | Blissex | runedude: then just put the new name in '/etc/modules' instead of the other |
| 15:48.38 | zimnyx | TheArtist: do you have support for chipset etc? |
| 15:48.43 | TheArtist | and a cdwriter and dvd writer |
| 15:48.51 | TheArtist | think so |
| 15:48.57 | zimnyx | so make sure. |
| 15:49.03 | TheArtist | dont know what one i have |
| 15:49.12 | TheArtist | you mean ide chipset right? |
| 15:49.27 | zimnyx | it;s obvious that you miss something. run menuconfig, and read help |
| 15:49.31 | zimnyx | yep |
| 15:49.33 | Blissex | teclo: try 'modprobe i2c-dev' and 'modprobe i2c-isa' just in case. |
| 15:49.47 | Blissex | teclo: then 'sensors -s' |
| 15:49.53 | teclo | Blissex: thank you |
| 15:50.13 | runedude | Blissex: how do I figure out what the new name? |
| 15:50.39 | Blissex | runedude: new name of the driver? Well, which card have you got? |
| 15:50.53 | runedude | juhh im not sure |
| 15:50.54 | TheArtist | zimnyx, i did xconfig and read the help for every entry in there, i just dont know which chipset i have, i know i have a via chipset on my mobo... but whether thats the same thing i dont know |
| 15:51.10 | Blissex | runedude: 'lspci' |
| 15:51.14 | teclo | Blissex: alas, same result :/ |
| 15:51.15 | runedude | maybe I need to go to windows to figure out |
| 15:51.19 | teclo | Blissex: thank you anyway |
| 15:51.21 | zimnyx | TheArtist: than, why the hell do you try to comile the kernel? |
| 15:51.38 | Blissex | teclo: then perhaps your sensor chips are not the PIIX ones. |
| 15:51.42 | TheArtist | zimnyx, cos ive done it many times b4 |
| 15:51.47 | runedude | 00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557/8/9 [Ethernet Pro 100] (rev 08) |
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| 15:51.59 | valdyn | TheArtist: lspci knows your chipset too |
| 15:52.03 | zimnyx | TheArtist: and you don;t know your hardware? it;s stupid. |
| 15:52.04 | Blissex | teclo: figure out which exact motherboard you have ans do a search on the web for that. |
| 15:52.17 | Blissex | runedude: 'e100' or 'eepro100' |
| 15:52.36 | runedude | k |
| 15:52.41 | runedude | so I should reboot to it now? |
| 15:52.44 | TheArtist | valdyn, hehe thanks i did just look at lspci but i didnt read it properly :) |
| 15:52.45 | zimnyx | TheArtist: it;s the first thing you should know.. |
| 15:52.54 | Blissex | runedude: try.... |
| 15:53.00 | runedude | ok |
| 15:53.01 | TheArtist | zimnyx, marga valdyn thanks ima go check that out |
| 15:53.05 | teclo | Blissex: with "sensors" as a keyword I guess ? |
| 15:53.09 | runedude | brb |
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| 15:53.30 | Hans2000 | Hello |
| 15:53.31 | Blissex | teclo: "sensors" and/or "lm_sensors" and/or "i2c" |
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| 15:53.45 | Blissex | teclo: also look at the lm_sensors website, they have lists IIRC |
| 15:53.51 | paulswm | abrotman: an example of Welsh conversation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cymru/radiocymru then click on "Radio ar Alw" (top RH), then click on "Post Cyntaf" (top RH) |
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| 15:54.00 | Hans2000 | what img files do I need exactly to create a boot disk with NTRawrite.exe ? |
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| 15:54.38 | Hans2000 | If I use boot.img I can't start with floppy, invalid boot... |
| 15:54.52 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 15:55.15 | paulswm | abrotman: actually news, not conversation per se |
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| 15:55.33 | valdyn | Hans2000: so your floppy drive is broken? or your diskette |
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| 15:56.03 | Hans2000 | ok I'll check this. what If I user the boot.img, can I access my cdrom after booting? |
| 15:56.09 | Hans2000 | use |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | paulswm: it's ok |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | paulswm: osunds like german |
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| 15:57.00 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 15:57.06 | valdyn | Hans2000: im not familiar with debians diskette installation method. still i'd doubt that, drivers wouldnt fit on the first disk |
| 15:57.07 | Blissex | abrotman: argh too. |
| 15:57.19 | paulswm | heh |
| 15:57.35 | Blissex | abrotman: sound more like greek, which is what it is more related to... ;-) |
| 15:57.52 | abrotman | well .. i don't speak greek or german |
| 15:57.55 | paulswm | abrotman: too long since I've spoken Welsh, I can hardly pick out a word of it, either written or spoken :( |
| 15:58.00 | abrotman | sounds like celtic for all i know |
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| 15:58.16 | paulswm | abrotman: Welsh *is* Celtic |
| 15:58.19 | Hans2000 | so how can I install it from cd if I can't access my cdrom ? |
| 15:58.25 | sussudio | paulswm: boeni? |
| 15:58.28 | Blissex | paulswm: nahhh, once a welshman always a welshman. Ask any welsh woman :-). |
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| 15:59.00 | paulswm | Blissex: well mun that's nice, diolch yn fawr |
| 15:59.00 | serfurj | what's going on with packages.debian.org? it's been down for a couple of days (sorry if that's been asked a million times already) |
| 15:59.04 | sussudio | !boeni paulswm |
| 15:59.05 | dpkg | paulswm: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 15:59.06 | sussudio | :-P |
| 15:59.08 | sussudio | ahh |
| 15:59.16 | paulswm | sussudio: wow |
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| 15:59.58 | abrotman | paulswm: oh .. |
| 16:00.00 | runedude | well Blissex .. the network works, but my startx aint working |
| 16:00.08 | abrotman | paulswm: shows how much i know |
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| 16:00.26 | PitchforkLinux | Hi all.. quick question. I have a motherboard with via chipset and on board lan. Woody install doesn't recognize the on board lan device. What module can I load to get the lan device to work? |
| 16:00.43 | Blissex | runedude: its still the mouse probably. |
| 16:00.48 | runedude | yep. |
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| 16:01.08 | Blissex | runedude: 'modprobe mousedev'? |
| 16:01.13 | runedude | eh |
| 16:01.15 | runedude | ne sec |
| 16:01.18 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: is that a new board? via has produced many chipsets.. |
| 16:01.19 | paulswm | sussudio: I think it's cool if somewhat surreal, add more languages :) |
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| 16:01.31 | sussudio | paulswm: the ones in native american suck |
| 16:01.41 | runedude | mice : PS/2 mouse device..... |
| 16:01.49 | PitchforkLinux | valdyn. Its a biostar board about a year old |
| 16:02.03 | PitchforkLinux | VIG7Pro |
| 16:02.10 | paulswm | sussudio: you got Malay? |
| 16:02.12 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: woodys hardware support is 3 years old |
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| 16:02.40 | sussudio | paulswm: mydaus meliceps kulaaaar |
| 16:02.47 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: still you could try to boot with linux24 iirc |
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| 16:03.10 | live | hi all |
| 16:03.11 | PitchforkLinux | I did. Installed with bf24 kernel |
| 16:03.21 | sussudio | paulswm: well, mydaus meliceps is the local malaysian stinkbadger. |
| 16:03.34 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: but if your board has a Marvell chipset gigabit eth interface, i doubt that would help at all |
| 16:03.43 | live | have a problem with xebian on xbox... don't know where to go !? |
| 16:04.04 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: i know that sarge does support that, but maybe you can find out what you do have first |
| 16:04.11 | sussudio | paulswm: mydaus meliceps, kulat, ular |
| 16:04.15 | runedude | Blissex: did u get it? :) |
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| 16:04.41 | Blissex | runedude: what does it mean? |
| 16:04.45 | paulswm | sussudio: yes, just looked it up. stinkbadger in English is a great word in itself. "/join #knoppix you stinkbadger" has a certain satisfying feel to it |
| 16:05.00 | Blissex | runedude: you claim you have a USB mouse... What does 'lsusb' says? |
| 16:05.02 | PitchforkLinux | I already have the info on the board. the net card on it is VIA lan |
| 16:05.04 | sussudio | http://www.nhm.org/research/libraries/beasts/16mmelic.html |
| 16:05.04 | runedude | Blissex: i type into there modprobe mousdeve and it comes up that. |
| 16:05.12 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: lspci knows |
| 16:05.18 | runedude | Blissex: says command not found |
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| 16:05.28 | sussudio | paulswm: it's called a Teledu in malay, apparently |
| 16:05.28 | Blissex | runedude: apt-get usbsutils |
| 16:05.31 | runedude | ok |
| 16:05.42 | valdyn | PitchforkLinux: alt-f2, <enter>, lspci |
| 16:05.46 | runedude | Install you mean? :) |
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| 16:06.00 | paulswm | sussudio: someone took away knoppixbadger :( |
| 16:06.08 | sussudio | "The Indonesian stink badger is a relatively small animal, as badgers go. They have a stocky body set on short but muscular legs. They have a long, conical shaped face with a naked, mobile snout. Their eyes are very small and their ears are nearly vestigial. Their front paws sport long, curved claws. Females have 3 pairs of mammae. The species is so named because they secrete a foul-smelling fluid from their well-developed anal glands that is reminiscent of sk |
| 16:06.11 | paulswm | probably my overuse |
| 16:06.12 | kenji | hi |
| 16:06.15 | live | alsa doesn't work on my xebian 1.0.3 on xbox... i followed instructions but i ot errors while kernel-compiling |
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| 16:06.28 | runedude | cannot open /proc/bus/usb, no such file or directory (2) |
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| 16:07.03 | paulswm | sussudio: gah, the foul smelling fluid bit |
| 16:07.15 | sussudio | paulswm: nature's crowd control |
| 16:07.19 | strubbel | i'm trying to get lm-sensors with kernel-source 2.4.18 to work...does it suffice to have CONFIG_I2C=m; CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=m and CONFIG_I2C_PROC=m in the i2c support section enabled? |
| 16:07.27 | sussudio | it'll either shred you to bits or skunk you |
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| 16:07.33 | paulswm | sussudio: like humans can't do that after the right meal |
| 16:07.54 | iains | sorry this is a very newbie question - installed debain for the first time, (finally), and can get to gnome logon screen , but i want to run the xscreen reconfigure routine again. how do i get back to a logon prompt when i can logon as root again? |
| 16:08.00 | runedude | Blissex: cannot open /proc/bus/usb, no such file or directory (2) when I try lsusb |
| 16:08.04 | runedude | :) |
| 16:08.10 | strubbel | ...or do i need anything else in there? |
| 16:08.11 | EdibleText | Betty_21f, What do you want? |
| 16:08.21 | valdyn | iains: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 16:08.25 | Blissex | runedude: that means your entire USB setup is missing... :-) |
| 16:08.29 | runedude | .. |
| 16:08.34 | runedude | How do I fix that Blissex ?:) |
| 16:08.37 | iains | valdyn: thank you!!! |
| 16:08.44 | Blissex | runedude: try this to start with... mount -t usbfs none /proc/usb |
| 16:08.48 | runedude | ok |
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| 16:09.02 | Blissex | runedude: try this to start with... mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb |
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| 16:09.34 | runedude | mount point /proc/bus/usb does not exist |
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| 16:09.59 | sussudio | badgerr |
| 16:10.21 | FieldySnuts | Betty_21f is onjoin messaging |
| 16:10.26 | paulswm | sussudio: ideal nick for my spouse, she was eating Great Northern Beans and onions last night |
| 16:10.26 | sussudio | "This badger squirts a very noxious liquid from its anal glands when threatened. This solution is very nauseating, and can cause asphyxia or blindness in its predators. They are reported to be quite fierce, and will growl and bite when handled." |
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| 16:10.44 | runedude | blissex : mount point /proc/bus/usb does not exist |
| 16:10.54 | FieldySnuts | #debian-badgers |
| 16:10.56 | kekostar | my debian is askin Please enter the cideo card's bus identifier... my video card is Graphics Controller: ATI RADEON 7500 - 16MB |
| 16:11.07 | kekostar | what i must put |
| 16:11.07 | sussudio | kekostar: no it's not |
| 16:11.08 | FieldySnuts | lspci will assist |
| 16:11.14 | EdibleText | kekostar, lspci |
| 16:11.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart ati |
| 16:11.29 | Blissex | runedude: your setup is a bit cincomplete.... |
| 16:11.32 | sussudio | kekostar: it's _OPTIONAL_, that means you don't have to enter anything if you don't have more than 1 card. |
| 16:11.33 | paulswm | hey FieldySnuts whazzup |
| 16:11.41 | Blissex | runedude: mount -t proc none /proc |
| 16:11.48 | kekostar | aha ok |
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| 16:12.02 | Blissex | runedude: mount -t usbfs -none /proc/bus/usb |
| 16:12.03 | runedude | proc already mountded |
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| 16:12.16 | Blissex | runedude: also make sure that you have done 'modprobe uhci' |
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| 16:12.30 | FieldySnuts | aw imeant it to cycle with "wang |
| 16:12.46 | FieldySnuts | still getting that onjoin about 30 seconds delayed, not that I dare to expect an op to do anything\ |
| 16:12.56 | runedude | ah |
| 16:13.00 | runedude | that installed usb or something |
| 16:13.13 | EdibleText | runedude, df -a |
| 16:13.17 | sussudio | !ops Betty_21f spambot |
| 16:13.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Betty_21f spambot |
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| 16:13.32 | iains | valdyn : is there a quick way to switch back to the logon? |
| 16:13.34 | runedude | it says /dev/hda proc devpts |
| 16:13.38 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: about 30 second delay. wait. |
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| 16:13.50 | sussudio | ElectricElf, caphuso: /whois Betty_21f |
| 16:13.53 | runedude | edibletext: it says /dev/hda proc devpts |
| 16:13.57 | ireverentReveren | how do i find out how much videoram my video card has? |
| 16:14.07 | FieldySnuts | nice away reason spam |
| 16:14.13 | ElectricElf | sussudio: Just got the /msg's |
| 16:14.17 | EdibleText | runedude, no usbfs 0 0 0 - /proc/bus/usb |
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| 16:14.20 | sussudio | those too, yeah |
| 16:14.20 | EdibleText | ? |
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| 16:14.32 | caphuso | grrr... 21 seconds lag |
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| 16:14.43 | ElectricElf | samdret: Thanks |
| 16:14.44 | ElectricElf | Er |
| 16:14.46 | ElectricElf | sussudio: Thanks :) |
| 16:14.47 | sussudio | ireverentReveren: it's probably in your dmesg |
| 16:14.51 | runedude | EdibleText: nope |
| 16:14.52 | sussudio | ElectricElf: k |
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| 16:15.15 | ireverentReveren | sussudio thanks |
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| 16:16.04 | sussudio | ireverentReveren: grep agpgart /var/log/dmesg (note: that's the memory assigned by your motherboard to AGP, might not be the amount on your videocard) |
| 16:16.36 | ireverentReveren | hmm |
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| 16:16.49 | ireverentReveren | my dmesg appears to be filled with a keycode error |
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| 16:18.20 | runedude | Blissex: mind if I pm you? im having trouble staying organized here |
| 16:18.32 | Blissex | runedude: fine... |
| 16:19.32 | strubbel | can i build only one modules-image with make-kpkg?...will be faster...slow box |
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| 16:20.43 | DexterF | hi |
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| 16:21.50 | guider | does the Pentium 233 mmx works without a floopy disk ? |
| 16:22.17 | DexterF | is there a NIC config tool in debian? |
| 16:22.25 | Covener | DexterF: mii-tool? |
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| 16:23.20 | DexterF | Covener: says "no MII interfaces found." hm. ifconfig says eth0 is there alright. |
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| 16:23.46 | Bols | yop |
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| 16:24.08 | Bols | Is that normal that there's no packages for ncurses ? |
| 16:24.17 | Bols | (for woody) |
| 16:24.18 | abrotman | libncurses-dev |
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| 16:24.55 | Bols | E: Package libncurses-dev has no installation candidate |
| 16:24.57 | Covener | Bols: try apt-cache search --names-only ncurses |
| 16:25.28 | strubbel | ha, simply moved the other sources out of the way! |
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| 16:26.07 | akusarujin | anyone know where a user's gtk theme/settings/etc. is stored? |
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| 16:26.29 | Bols | Was libcurses5 |
| 16:26.31 | Bols | Thx |
| 16:26.47 | Covener | akusarujin: .gtkrc-2.0 for 2.x , or in gnome-settings-daemon if it's running |
| 16:27.15 | akusarujin | does gnome-settings-daemon override it? |
| 16:28.22 | Covener | akusarujin: I believe it does -- for example if you have some font stuff set in the .gtkrc-2.0 and you launch the gnome-control-center, the changes kinda sweep over your gtk apps dynamically |
| 16:28.40 | Covener | akusarujin: (if you're not running gnome to begin with, that is) |
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| 16:29.58 | akusarujin | Covener, i see.. i'm running gnome and looking for where it's stored.. can't find any .gtkrc* files.. my friend on the other hand is running enlightenment and mentioned that he had a .gtkrc file.. |
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| 16:30.09 | coywolf | is libmotif3 source code available? |
| 16:30.12 | akusarujin | Covener, just trying to figure out where gnome stores it itself, since there's no gtkrc file |
| 16:30.26 | coywolf | is libmotif3 source code available? is that motfi source code? |
| 16:30.29 | Covener | akusarujin: I think in gnome you really ought to use the control center -- maybe it's persisted in some gconf type of thing? |
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| 16:30.48 | akusarujin | yeah |
| 16:30.53 | akusarujin | it might be |
| 16:31.04 | akusarujin | well, it's just out of curiosity's sake |
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| 16:31.33 | Covener | akusarujin: you may be able to run the control center under ltrace and see what it's doing (or at least get a hint) |
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| 16:32.06 | abydos | ngg, I'm seriously going to kill teh sadistic fuck that put an rmvb video file on lokitorrent |
| 16:32.18 | abydos | and didn't consider that there is no linux player for those |
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| 16:35.42 | _gentgeen_ | Does anyone have any suggestions for reading the eBooks from Project Gutenberg (I'm using Sarge) |
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| 16:38.34 | nome | is there a way to have a good looking acreoread ? |
| 16:38.47 | asg | nome: use ggv |
| 16:38.48 | coywolf | no |
| 16:39.00 | asg | nome: though the renderer is crap (xpdf is one of the best) |
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| 16:40.11 | nome | asg: i know ...and it's true but acreoread has more options |
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| 16:40.55 | asg | nome: then what is more important function, looks, or free software. Only you can decide that |
| 16:41.34 | asg | nome: as far as I'm concerned, if you can't grep it, it's crap, so pdf is a format I avoid as much as flash. |
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| 16:41.54 | nome | :D .... asg .. it's true ... |
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| 16:43.33 | strubbel | do i need to reboot before i can load new modules? |
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| 16:43.42 | nome | no |
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| 16:44.01 | coywolf | anyone suggests a lightweighted graphic browser? |
| 16:44.09 | coywolf | anyone suggests a lightweighted graphic browser? (firefox sucks) |
| 16:44.10 | asg | coywolf: dillo, epiphany |
| 16:44.17 | asg | coywolf: xterm -e links |
| 16:44.21 | nome | strubbel: depmod ... and modprobe them |
| 16:44.22 | strubbel | nome: does depmod suffice? |
| 16:44.42 | nome | strubbel: modprobe <module> |
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| 16:44.50 | _gentgeen_ | Is there something wrong with packages.debian.org --> taking forever to load on my side |
| 16:44.55 | asg | _gentgeen_: /topic |
| 16:44.59 | Nero-16 | hallo, gibt es shockwave für linux? |
| 16:45.02 | strubbel | nome: have the inst* scripts already done it? |
| 16:45.15 | strubbel | nome: depmod i mean |
| 16:45.17 | maurizio | timezone configuration: I can't understand the question 'is the hardware clock set to GMT?'... does that mean 'do you want to set the hardware clock to gmt?' or what else... |
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| 16:45.45 | asg | Nero-16: there is a plugin for flash at macromedia.com |
| 16:45.47 | nome | strubbel: maybe ... but depmod again it's better .. |
| 16:45.49 | ricky_clarkson | maurizio: It means "is the hardware clock currently set to GMT?" |
| 16:46.12 | strubbel | nome: ok |
| 16:46.13 | _gentgeen_ | asg, sorry, I read that but did not understand -- I see now :-| |
| 16:46.33 | maurizio | ricky_clarkson: how do I know that? |
| 16:46.34 | asg | _gentgeen_: hardware reorganization or somesuch. It will be back on Monday |
| 16:46.40 | _gentgeen_ | did not get the .d.o part :-) |
| 16:46.42 | paulswm | !win ricky_clarkson |
| 16:46.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, ricky_clarkson! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 16:46.57 | ricky_clarkson | maurizio: dpkg-reconfigure timezones |
| 16:47.02 | strubbel | !tell Nero-16 about de |
| 16:47.27 | ricky_clarkson | maurizio: Assuming you're italian, there is a #debian.it if that helps con el inglese. |
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| 16:47.45 | paulswm | strubbel: too late and he didn't even say danke |
| 16:48.12 | _gentgeen_ | I usually search packages.debian.org for software (i.e. call up page, and search page for "file manager") is there a way to do that locally? |
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| 16:48.17 | strubbel | paulswm: oh |
| 16:48.27 | paulswm | _gentgeen_: apt-cache search |
| 16:48.38 | maurizio | ricky_clarkson: actually that's what I'ml trying to do. what's strange is that hwclock --shows and dpkg-reconfigure timezones show different times for the hardware clock... |
| 16:48.56 | ricky_clarkson | maurizio: Are they 1 hour different to each other? |
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| 16:49.07 | maurizio | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 16:49.29 | _gentgeen_ | paulswm, thanks |
| 16:49.32 | Lo_Meinix | hello |
| 16:49.54 | asg | _gentgeen_: also, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search <some file> |
| 16:50.13 | paulswm | dammit, asg, I was just typing that, heh |
| 16:50.32 | asg | paulswm: we should have both just said '/msg dpkg search' since all of the above plus more is included in the factoid |
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| 16:50.47 | ricky_clarkson | maurizio: Probably a daylight savings time issue then. Do you also boot Windows on that machine? |
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| 16:50.48 | tobehz | I uninstalled udev and now alsamixer doesn't work, wtf? :/ |
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| 16:50.53 | paulswm | asg: I'm not that good with factoids |
| 16:51.10 | Lo_Meinix | nice to see I'm not the only one battling ALSA ;) |
| 16:51.11 | djuuss | what software should i use to convert wma to mp3? |
| 16:51.18 | asg | paulswm: /msg dpkg listkeys <keyword> && /msg dpkg listvals <keywords> (for finding them) |
| 16:51.23 | caphuso | djuuss: none |
| 16:51.34 | Lo_Meinix | lame |
| 16:51.35 | paulswm | asg: thanks very much |
| 16:51.40 | asg | paulswm: anytime |
| 16:51.45 | caphuso | just listen to /dev/urandom instead, less artifacts... |
| 16:52.11 | asg | caphuso: and you can dance to it! :) /dev/urandom does produce most of KMFDM's stuff |
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| 16:52.20 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: Why does /dev/urandom sound like a million monkeys typing? |
| 16:52.23 | maurizio | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 16:52.42 | ricky_clarkson | maurizio: No clue. |
| 16:52.58 | maurizio | ricky_clarkson: ok, thanks anyway |
| 16:53.22 | caphuso | sgeigerbot: a million monkeys sound like "click click clickelyclick clack click", quite unlike the pink noise you get from /dev/urandom |
| 16:54.02 | sgeigerbot | caphuso: I'm listening at the neuron level. |
| 16:54.07 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: the last couple days, #debian sounded like a million monkeys typing |
| 16:54.29 | Hans2000 | Can debian detect my cdrom if my bios didn't ? |
| 16:54.30 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Good observation. |
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| 16:56.45 | sgeigerbot | Hans2000: The operating system talks to the hardware. If the hardware doesn't know about the other hardware, then it can't allow the kernel to talk to it. |
| 16:57.00 | tobehz | alsamixer won't work without udev? |
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| 16:57.04 | sgeigerbot | Hans2000: perhaps you need to check the jumpers on your cdrom drive. |
| 16:57.15 | sgeigerbot | Hans2000: ...or go into the bios and change something... |
| 16:58.05 | strubbel | "Starting sensor daemon: sensorsNo sensors found!" does that mean i have no i2c chip for monitoring? |
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| 16:58.24 | strubbel | i2c-core is loaded |
| 16:58.27 | tobehz | strubbel: load the appropriate modules for i2c |
| 16:58.35 | caphuso | strubbel: either that or you haven't loaded the necessary modules. run sensors-detect |
| 16:58.36 | tobehz | i2c-core isn't gonna do it by itself |
| 16:58.50 | strubbel | tobehz: aha |
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| 16:59.27 | strubbel | caphuso: thanks |
| 16:59.28 | Hans2000 | ok do you think a bios update could resolve my cdrom problem? at the moment I simply don't get my cdrom to work :( |
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| 17:00.02 | Hans2000 | damn old P60 |
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| 17:00.11 | mtqh | in redhat there is a file called ld.so.conf that has the paths of the libraries, where is this file in debian |
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| 17:00.29 | caphuso | mtqh: /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 17:00.47 | mtqh | caphuso: that is where it is in redhat however that file does not exisit in sarge |
| 17:01.00 | caphuso | mtqh: so? |
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| 17:01.11 | mtqh | I see, if I create the file it works |
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| 17:02.17 | edward | why when i select 'Parallel Port #1' does cups set my printer to be 'Device URI: parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0' ? |
| 17:02.22 | caphuso | core dumps you can fix by moving /lib/tls away suck |
| 17:02.50 | kzar | I need somthing compiled into my kernel and I am having problems finding it in the menuconfig thing. I know the .o file I want, is there a clever way of finding out which option it is? |
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| 17:03.29 | sgeigerbot | kzar: if you have a 2.6 kernel, you will get .ko modules. Is that what you are asking about? |
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| 17:03.53 | green_earz | Hans2000: have the hard drive as master and the cdrom as slave on the same ide lead, reason being theat the other ide cannel on the board may be down, broken , its a idear |
| 17:04.16 | sgeigerbot | kzar: ah...sorry...I see now. which file do you want? Often you can grep through the .config file and find out where your item is relative to the others. (The .config file is layed out in the same way as menuconfig.) |
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| 17:04.20 | quittt | hey |
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| 17:04.26 | sgeigerbot | kzar: ...same order, I mean. |
| 17:04.28 | kzar | sgeigerbot: no its a 2.4 kernel. The thing is I know the .o file i want (basicaly its just the module's name (libata) ) but I cant see it from the menuconfig so i wondered if i could find it with a command |
| 17:04.28 | quittt | how do I clean /etc from deleted programs?? |
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| 17:04.40 | kzar | sgeigerbot: oh i se |
| 17:04.49 | caphuso | quittt: carefully. very carefully |
| 17:04.58 | caphuso | alternatively, you don't |
| 17:05.10 | asg | quittt: did you apt-get remove or apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 17:05.11 | quittt | caphuso, but in /etc/init.d still some there |
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| 17:05.19 | quittt | asac, only remove |
| 17:05.20 | sgeigerbot | kzar: I'd recommend "egrep libata -i -r /your/kernel/sources" to find further info in libata...if you can't find LIBATA in the .config |
| 17:05.28 | asg | quittt: the latter will take care of /etc for the most part |
| 17:05.36 | xam | quittt: you want to "dpkg --purge" those programmes |
| 17:05.42 | asg | quittt: dpkg -P <pkg> will also work now if you've removed packages via apt-get |
| 17:06.02 | kzar | sgeigerbot: the box is chugging after that command :D (slow box) |
| 17:06.02 | quittt | I use aptitude |
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| 17:06.08 | iains | i'm trying to log onto kde on a new debian install, it gets as far as 'initialising peripherals' and then bumps me back to the logon.. i know the display drivers aren't correct (radeon 9) but i'm not sure how to correct this... newbie.. can anyone help~? |
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| 17:06.32 | quittt | asg, I installed some package that didnt want |
| 17:06.39 | quittt | I want to clean from dead links |
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| 17:06.43 | quittt | and in /etc |
| 17:06.44 | asg | quittt: then remove --purge or dpkg -P it |
| 17:06.45 | kzar | sgeigerbot: arse it isnt there really :o |
| 17:06.46 | quittt | is it possible? |
| 17:06.51 | sgeigerbot | kzar: If it is chugging, you should chug a beer. |
| 17:07.00 | quittt | asg, they are already deleted! |
| 17:07.02 | sgeigerbot | kzar: what? |
| 17:07.05 | sgeigerbot | arse? |
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| 17:07.17 | kzar | sgeigerbot: the module isn't there :/ |
| 17:07.17 | strubbel | can anyone tell me where i can get the i2c-riva module? the adress detect-sensors gave me is depreciated. |
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| 17:07.40 | asg | quittt: like I said, dpkg -P <pkg> will work if you've already removed the package |
| 17:07.41 | sgeigerbot | quittt: apt-get install <package>; apt-get remove --purge package |
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| 17:08.07 | asg | sgeigerbot: thanks, good for the snow |
| 17:08.15 | sgeigerbot | asg: Btw, I started a business selling those things. They are a hit. |
| 17:08.17 | quittt | asg, I dont know where the packages are |
| 17:08.18 | green_earz | iains: try startx at the command line and see if a desktop comes up |
| 17:08.21 | asg | sgeigerbot: heh |
| 17:08.42 | sgeigerbot | asg: (I sometimes use badger meat.) |
| 17:08.51 | asg | quittt: well, apt-get install deborphan ; deborphan | xargs dpkg -P (until there is nothing left to remove.) |
| 17:08.56 | dirthead | Where does debian start the network? Under RedHat it is /etc/init.d/network. I can't find a similar script under debian. |
| 17:09.01 | asg | sgeigerbot: tasty |
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| 17:09.11 | asg | dirthead: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 17:09.16 | sgeigerbot | dirthead: Setting up networking in Debian is easy. You need to edit /etc/network/interfaces Then use "ifdown --all" and "ifup --all" or "/etc/init.d/networking restart". "man 5 interfaces" will give you some info about how to edit the interfaces file. Example of how to set up static, dynamic, and virtual interfaces interfaces: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/interfaces |
| 17:09.17 | quittt | asg, it is LOTS of packages |
| 17:09.50 | asg | quittt: well, deborphan will catch most of them. Install it, run it, and see. |
| 17:09.59 | sgeigerbot | dirthead: it has been so long since I used redhat...perhaps what asg said is what you want. |
| 17:10.11 | iains | green_earz: i get the gui logon.. it's just when it's running through the kde splash |
| 17:10.12 | quittt | what is deborphan? |
| 17:10.14 | kzar | sgeigerbot: just found out, the libata isnt included untill kernel 2.4.27 and im on 2.4.18 :( I guess now I try and find out how to do the patch |
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| 17:10.31 | asg | !deborphan |
| 17:10.32 | dpkg | somebody said deborphan was a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 17:10.48 | sgeigerbot | kzar: I think you should upgrade your kernel anyway.... perhaps there is a security problem... |
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| 17:10.52 | quittt | asg, remove all package??!/! |
| 17:10.54 | quittt | asg, remove all packages?? |
| 17:11.12 | asg | quittt: no, only ones that aren't in use (i.e. nothing depends on them.) |
| 17:11.35 | dirthead | I don't see /etc/init.d/networking referenced in any of the rc directories. How does the network get started then? |
| 17:11.39 | sgeigerbot | dpkg: deborphan is also ...and if you run that command as root without first making sure deborphan is installed, you will get a nasty surprise. |
| 17:11.39 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 17:11.40 | green_earz | iains: try startkde at the command line |
| 17:11.41 | kzar | sgeigerbot: its only one off 2.4.19 and thats the latest stable one |
| 17:11.55 | asg | quittt: in the future, use debfoster to mark known needed packages and it will help you remove any cruft you might not want. |
| 17:12.12 | sgeigerbot | kzar: wrong. Look here for the current one: http://www.kernel.org/ |
| 17:12.34 | quittt | asg, because these are making strange messages in boot |
| 17:12.36 | karsten | Graphics: what are the two vid cards that everyone has problems with? Nvidia and what? |
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| 17:12.59 | quittt | asg, I want to clean only /etc!! |
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| 17:13.03 | quittt | what is it removing?? |
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| 17:13.12 | kzar | sgeigerbot: i meen debian stable when i say stable |
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| 17:13.40 | quittt | asg, it didnt clean up my /etc |
| 17:14.09 | iains | green_earz : ok - i hit ctrl + alt + f1 to get a logon, log on as root and 'startkde' and it says, cannot connect, connection refused |
| 17:14.36 | sgeigerbot | kzar: bleh...learn to compile your own. Life will be easier for you. |
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| 17:14.55 | FieldySnuts | I agree with sgeigerbot |
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| 17:15.25 | kzar | sgeigerbot: well i do compile it but with make-kpkg instead of the normal way. I'm going to try this backport thing |
| 17:15.27 | sgeigerbot | FieldySnuts: just because you agree with me, I won't stop kicking you. |
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| 17:15.41 | FieldySnuts | i could care less |
| 17:16.01 | iains | is there a way to restart xserver if you've reconfigured it, from the command line, without having to reboot? |
| 17:16.16 | Gathond | iains: of cause |
| 17:16.28 | Gathond | iains: the excat how depends on your setup though |
| 17:17.08 | iains | gathond : sorry - i;m a newbie. trying to get my radeon 9000 working.. how do i use excat? |
| 17:17.40 | Gathond | iains: depends on your X setup:) |
| 17:17.48 | iains | ah... |
| 17:17.49 | EdibleText | iains /etc/init.d/{x,k,g}dm restart |
| 17:18.01 | Gathond | iains: if you use gdm, xdm, kdm then restarting that probably does the trick |
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| 17:18.33 | green_earz | iains: so it sound like the xserver is not configured right, ? do you know the correct refresh rate for the monitor, if so use the command as root > dpkg-reconfigure xserver-free86 < so you can set them |
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| 17:18.38 | karsten | Anyone familiar with Corel Draw and equivalent SW for Linux? |
| 17:18.59 | sgeigerbot | karsten: gimp? |
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| 17:19.18 | quittt | how do I install NVIDIA driveR??? |
| 17:19.20 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I'm thinking more like a drawing tool.... |
| 17:19.35 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Show me your tatoos. |
| 17:19.41 | karsten | !tell quittt about nvidia |
| 17:19.47 | sgeigerbot | karsten: sodipodi? inkscape? |
| 17:19.56 | iains | green_earz : rsearching now |
| 17:20.04 | karsten | sgeigerbot: What's sodipodi? |
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| 17:20.14 | sgeigerbot | karsten: apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 17:20.28 | nome | quittt: you have just to chose first if you want debian pack or nvidia |
| 17:20.40 | green_earz | quittt: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 17:20.48 | nome | quittt: i feel debian is much better |
| 17:21.10 | sgeigerbot | karsten: apt-get install sketch |
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| 17:21.49 | nome | quittt: i can help you if you want ...:) |
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| 17:22.12 | sgeigerbot | karsten: apt-cache show sketch |
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| 17:22.47 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Homepage for sketch dvpt? |
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| 17:23.17 | sgeigerbot | karsten: some of these may help: karbon14 and kontour, xfig, sodipodi, sketch, openoffice draw, dia, tgif, gestalter |
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| 17:23.25 | sgeigerbot | karsten: apt-cache show sketch |
| 17:23.47 | quittt | nome, I've got NVIDIA driver |
| 17:23.50 | quittt | but when I install it |
| 17:23.54 | quittt | I get a strange screen |
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| 17:24.09 | karsten | sgeigerbot: http://www.nongnu.org/skencil/ |
| 17:24.13 | EdibleText | Its a portal |
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| 17:24.21 | karsten | !tell quittt about return |
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| 17:24.32 | karsten | !tell quittt about enter |
| 17:24.32 | nome | quittt: you should say something more than just strange scree :) |
| 17:24.35 | green_earz | iains: getting the refesh rate right will aloud you to have one less problem to work for. and you will get a taste of dpkg-reconfigure in action |
| 17:24.41 | karsten | !tell quittt about smart questions |
| 17:24.43 | sgeigerbot | karsten: NICE. |
| 17:24.44 | karsten | !tell quittt about esp |
| 17:24.48 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ?? |
| 17:24.54 | quittt | thank you kaplanfx =D |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | !basketball |
| 17:24.59 | dpkg | hmm... basketball is a game that requires many months of training and hard work to get even remotely good at. |
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| 17:25.08 | sgeigerbot | karsten: what's the question? |
| 17:25.16 | karsten | sgeigerbot: What's nice ;-) |
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| 17:25.32 | sgeigerbot | karsten: skencil |
| 17:25.41 | karsten | sgeigerbot: OK. |
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| 17:26.33 | nome | quittt: so ... what is the problem? |
| 17:26.39 | sgeigerbot | karsten: "Version 1.3 was first distributed with Sketch 0.6.4." |
| 17:26.51 | sgeigerbot | karsten: --so sketch and skencil are probably related |
| 17:26.59 | karsten | sgeigerbot: So the local paper's paid Microsoft shill has drunk the GNU/Linux cool-aid: http://www.napanews.com/templates/index.cfm?template=story_full&id=C3C11E6F-04E2-4A9D-8E39-01ED2DF29FE5 |
| 17:27.13 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Sketch's homepage moved to Skencil. |
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| 17:27.27 | sgeigerbot | karsten: ah. |
| 17:27.34 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I'm just sort of Googling around for shit. |
| 17:27.38 | sgeigerbot | karsten: so they are pretty much the same thing. |
| 17:27.56 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Presumably. |
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| 17:28.10 | dirthead | what package is the utility runlevel in? |
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| 17:28.50 | andi5 | dirthead: sysvinit |
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| 17:29.04 | dirthead | andi5: thanks! |
| 17:29.13 | quittt | nome, I want to use NVIDIA driver but lastest NVIDIA driver has a problem that doesnt show the things right... show as strange lines like a crashed monitor... I had the same problem in Slack... the problem is the driver... But I need lastest driver working because it is unique compatible with 2.6 kernels |
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| 17:29.18 | andi5 | dirthead: dpkg-query -S $file , thats my way ;) |
| 17:29.25 | iains | green_earz : hmmmm doesn't say refresh rates in the manual. i've tried a few different configs in dpkg-reconfigure. as i say, i can get the gui logon - and the splash, it's just when it gets to peropherals it jumps, then throws me back to teh splash.. do i need a differnt vid driver you think? |
| 17:29.32 | iains | green earz: i'm trying to get the driver working properly on a new debian install for an ato radeon 9 - i can run it as vesa at 800x600 but not as ati. it works on the knoppix live cd. is there a way to copy the drivers from that to my new install? ...newbie to linux :) |
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| 17:30.04 | nome | quittt: i have 6629 with 2.6.10 working fine |
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| 17:30.20 | quittt | nome, some cards works |
| 17:30.22 | quittt | some dont |
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| 17:31.36 | nome | quittt: does nv work? |
| 17:31.41 | quittt | yes |
| 17:31.53 | quittt | but no hardware aceleration |
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| 17:32.07 | nome | quittt: you can pass some parameters on module loading |
| 17:32.09 | green_earz | iains: so xserver is up but you can not login to a desktop right |
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| 17:33.00 | nome | quittt: could you compile the drivers? |
| 17:33.04 | sgeigerbot | I really hate to admit that FF might be as bad as IE in terms of number of vulnerabilities (which I really doubt is true...but assuming the day comes when I have to defend FF, I want to be ready with the right message...which is something like the following...which I hope you will help me craft): Even if FF and IE both have grave security holes of the same number and type, FF is still the better choice? Why? Because it limits |
| 17:33.05 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.10 | quittt | nome, of course |
| 17:33.18 | sgeigerbot | (Something about that description doesn't sound quite right.) |
| 17:33.35 | iains | green_earz : that's right. i get the graphical login - and as it bumps to the splash, but when it gets to 'peripherals' the screen jumps and bumps me back to the graphical logon again |
| 17:33.45 | nome | and the problem ...? |
| 17:34.01 | nome | quittt: you can't load x ? |
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| 17:34.52 | green_earz | iains: it may be that the mouse is not set up right > peripherals ?? |
| 17:35.02 | EdibleText | iains,it sound like gnome or kde (or whatever your using) is failing |
| 17:35.12 | quittt | nome, it loads! |
| 17:35.17 | quittt | it is a NVIDIA problem |
| 17:35.24 | EdibleText | iains, check the logs |
| 17:35.28 | quittt | I thought you can solve a problem with a patch or anything else |
| 17:35.32 | iains | ok |
| 17:35.48 | abydos | mmm, sg1 series 1 in 80mb divx glory |
| 17:35.52 | iains | green_earz : is there a way i can check what it is? |
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| 17:35.56 | iains | that's failing? |
| 17:36.11 | abydos | or should I say "glory" because 80mb divx's typically have really crappy quality |
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| 17:36.53 | nome | quittt: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp ... card ... versoion |
| 17:37.00 | strubbel | sensord gives me crazy errors... |
| 17:37.13 | nome | quittt: you can have some infos from there |
| 17:37.13 | irfaN` | bye all |
| 17:37.26 | strubbel | e.g. "Sensor alarm: Chip as99127f-i2c-0-2d: VCore 2: +0.08 V (min = +1.61 V, max = +1.77 V)" |
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| 17:37.41 | whaq_ | debian has many advantages |
| 17:37.46 | strubbel | or this one "Chip as99127f-i2c-0-2d: fan1: 0 RPM (min = 3000 RPM, div = 2)" |
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| 17:38.18 | quittt | nome, this is the lastest problem to solve |
| 17:38.20 | strubbel | sensord: temp2: 103.3 C (limit = 66.9 C, hysteresis |
| 17:38.20 | strubbel | = 59.9 C) |
| 17:38.25 | quittt | after that it is 100% =D |
| 17:38.53 | quittt | nome, how do I configure my network? |
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| 17:39.31 | nome | quittt: i can't follow you ... |
| 17:39.42 | Herodes | how could i solve this problem??? -->pequeninho:~# df -h |
| 17:39.42 | Herodes | S.ficheros Tamaño Usado Disp Uso% Montado en |
| 17:39.43 | Herodes | /dev/hda2 1,3G 1,2G 47M 97% / |
| 17:39.43 | Herodes | tmpfs 6,6M 0 6,6M 0% /dev/shm |
| 17:39.43 | Herodes | /dev/hda1 1,5G 13K 1,5G 1% /home |
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| 17:40.19 | strubbel | my box is shitty old :( |
| 17:40.25 | Herodes | Sorry. |
| 17:40.33 | green_earz | iains: one way may be it run a copy of knoppix from the cdrom drive to see if knoppix will run > and if so have a look in cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for its xserver set info |
| 17:40.40 | strubbel | time to get a new one |
| 17:41.07 | strubbel | and has a bad hw setup |
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| 17:41.40 | Herodes | can anubody help me with this filesystem problem??--->http://pastebin.com/234939 |
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| 17:42.48 | Blissex | Herodes: there is no problem there |
| 17:42.56 | green_earz | iains: are you running woody or sarge ? |
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| 17:44.03 | EdibleText | iains, what wmare you suing ? and you said you can login ? |
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| 17:44.55 | Herodes | Blissex, hda2 is 97% and hda1 is 1% |
| 17:45.13 | rookie__ | hi guys, quick question.. when i install the 'kernel-source-2.4.27' package, does that include all the official debian patches or just the vanilla kernel source? |
| 17:45.13 | strubbel | if i would trust sensord or better the i2c chip, my box has to explode right now....huarrr |
| 17:45.16 | chealer | quitt: you checked the right X modules? |
| 17:45.26 | Blissex | Herodes: is that a problem? :-) |
| 17:45.32 | andi5 | Herodes: resize the partitions inside knoppix :) |
| 17:45.33 | fishhead | CANUCK! |
| 17:45.52 | Herodes | andi5, inside knpix?? |
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| 17:46.27 | andi5 | Herodes: hm... i would not try to resize the root partition while mounted, even readonly :) (my pov) :) |
| 17:46.34 | Blissex | Herodes: you can use 'parted' to resize partitions, booting from a CD. |
| 17:46.45 | EdibleText | rookie__, debian patches |
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| 17:48.24 | Herodes | how should i do it? |
| 17:48.41 | mhall | hey everybody, does anybody know where i might be able to find 16x and/or dual-layer DVD discs in the USA, preferably retail? |
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| 17:49.15 | mhall | i want to back some shit up and it takes forever with the usual 4x heap of shit discs i keep finding |
| 17:49.25 | EdibleText | mhall, staples compusa perhaps. look at their websites |
| 17:49.27 | caphuso | mhall: off topic |
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| 17:49.54 | caphuso | this isn't the "#imtoodumbforreallife" support channel |
| 17:50.03 | rookie__ | EdibleText: thanks |
| 17:50.06 | paulswm | !win caphuso |
| 17:50.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:50.18 | coywolf | is libmotif3 source code available? is that motfi source code? |
| 17:50.19 | jeky | Hi, I'm writting backup script with rsync. But I have problem, that I need to save diff between source_dir and backup_dir to extra directory (incremental diff) and not apply this diff to backup_dir. Is any way, how siply do this ? |
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| 17:50.28 | caphuso | coywolf: apt-get source libmotif3 |
| 17:50.32 | mhall | caphuso you know, i'd turn on the part of my brain that cares about your opinion, but sadly there isn't one |
| 17:50.37 | mhall | !lose paulswm |
| 17:50.38 | dpkg | paulswm: You Lose. |
| 17:50.43 | Herodes | Blissex, how should i do it? |
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| 17:50.55 | paulswm | mhall: a clue: google |
| 17:50.55 | caphuso | !win me |
| 17:50.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 17:51.04 | ccui | Herodes:maybe you can do first,apt-get clean,try to get a litte place.. |
| 17:51.10 | Phated | Wooo, I love my ISP. |
| 17:51.30 | ccui | your /home could be remount as /usr? |
| 17:51.47 | paulswm | caphuso: just always use your powers for good :) |
| 17:51.53 | Blissex | Herodes: boot a CD based distro like Knoppix or Kanotix, use 'parted' to resize the partitions is one way. |
| 17:51.56 | coywolf | caphuso, motif is not opensource |
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| 17:52.04 | Phated | caphuso: With great power comes great responsibility. :) |
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| 17:52.08 | Herodes | Blissex, with no dangerorus? |
| 17:52.09 | EdibleText | !googlebat mhall |
| 17:52.10 | bloodwulf1 | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.9/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 17:52.10 | bloodwulf1 | bloodwulf make: *** [ |
| 17:52.16 | bloodwulf1 | can someone tell me how i can fix that problem |
| 17:52.38 | bloodwulf1 | make: *** [modules] Error 2 |
| 17:52.43 | Blissex | Herodes: dangerous. |
| 17:53.00 | sgeigerbot | karsten: skencil has some nice add-ons! http://de.geocities.com/dendronde/ |
| 17:53.01 | caphuso | Phated: i lack the spider senses for responsibility :) |
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| 17:53.09 | xam | coywolf: I thought they've changed the license? |
| 17:53.10 | Phated | caphuso: Hee. |
| 17:53.13 | sgeigerbot | karsten: I tried to install it from source, but I had a problem... |
| 17:53.16 | ccui | bloodwulf1:what are you going to do? |
| 17:53.22 | sgeigerbot | karsten: were you able to get the debian package from the web site? |
| 17:53.26 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, going to do ? |
| 17:53.28 | Blissex | Herodes: otherwise do as someone suggested: 'cp -a /usr/* /home/' and the mount '/dev/hda1' as '/usr' instead of as '/home' |
| 17:53.29 | coywolf | xam, no, see their site |
| 17:53.45 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, i am trying to install wireless on my laptop |
| 17:53.51 | ccui | bloodwulf1: just recompile a kernel or...? |
| 17:53.56 | coywolf | caphuso, how debian get motif's source? it's not open |
| 17:54.05 | coywolf | caphuso, need to buy the license |
| 17:54.06 | karsten | sgeigerbot: No. Just researching package names ATM. |
| 17:54.07 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, no i tried to install wireless driver |
| 17:54.08 | Herodes | Blissex, i have 2 pc in LAN. can help it? |
| 17:54.18 | sgeigerbot | karsten: are you finding anything else interesting? |
| 17:54.21 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, http://folk.uio.no/krisvh/linux/cl56.html#wireless |
| 17:54.25 | ccui | bloodwulf1,ok,so first you must make modules_install in /usr/src/linux... |
| 17:54.26 | Blissex | Herodes: not really... |
| 17:54.43 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, a directory? |
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| 17:55.00 | Blissex | Herodes: do: du -sm /usr/. |
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| 17:55.04 | caphuso | coywolf: *sigh* why don't you read the fucking copyright file of the libmotif3 package? |
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| 17:55.17 | ccui | bloodwulf1, you have not installed the kernel modules,so just in /usr/src/linux ,make modules_install. |
| 17:55.28 | coax | enybody who know of a good (and working) PS1 emulator?? |
| 17:55.34 | bloodwulf1 | k one sec |
| 17:55.57 | ccui | bloodwulf1, do you install ndiswrapper or...? |
| 17:56.00 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Not in that realm, I just needed a couple of titles, got 'em. You're welcome to search to answer your own questions ;-) |
| 17:56.23 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, it says no file or directory |
| 17:56.28 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, no |
| 17:56.29 | strubbel | Blissex: will parted's resize complain if the partitions data does not fit in the new space? |
| 17:56.35 | ccui | if you use debian-sid,just simply apt-get wireless-tools.. |
| 17:56.41 | quittt | where can I get NVIDIA driver? |
| 17:56.52 | bloodwulf1 | k |
| 17:56.53 | strubbel | ...and can i resize the beginning of a partition? |
| 17:56.57 | Blissex | strubbel: it should :-) |
| 17:56.57 | chealer | !tell quitt about nvidia |
| 17:57.02 | ccui | bloodwulf1, which version of debian? |
| 17:57.08 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, knoppix |
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| 17:57.34 | chealer | quittt: the howto there is not up to date, you need sid sources |
| 17:57.47 | chealer | e.g. use NVDIST=unstable |
| 17:58.07 | ccui | bloodwulf1, it seems that you have not /lib/modules/..(uname -r) this dir. |
| 17:58.08 | coywolf | caphuso, what the copyright say |
| 17:58.09 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, i get E: Invalid operation wireless-tools |
| 17:58.25 | bloodwulf1 | when i do apt-get wireles-tools |
| 17:58.27 | caphuso | coywolf: READ IT |
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| 17:58.31 | chealer | bloodwulf1: apt-get INSTALL wireless-tools |
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| 17:58.50 | Herodes | Blissex, did it |
| 17:58.54 | karsten | chealer: s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 17:58.57 | xam | coywolf: Ahh, I see ... it is only 'OpenSource' if you use it on an OpenSource platform ... |
| 17:59.05 | Blissex | Herodes: thats the result? |
| 17:59.08 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, wireless-tools is already the newest version. |
| 17:59.09 | bloodwulf1 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:59.09 | karsten | !tell chealer about aptitude |
| 17:59.09 | Blissex | Herodes: whats the result? |
| 17:59.11 | karsten | chealer: ...fyi. |
| 17:59.15 | ccui | bloodwulf1, i dont know with knoppix. |
| 17:59.29 | coywolf | xam, where? |
| 17:59.29 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, it says i already got the newest version |
| 17:59.34 | Herodes | Blissex, pequeninho:~# du -sm /usr/ |
| 17:59.34 | Herodes | 820 /usr/ |
| 17:59.47 | chealer | karsten: thanks but I like synaptic :) nevertheless better use CLI to teach when you don't know what people use |
| 17:59.56 | ccui | maybe you have to recompile the kernel to create the /lib/modules/...,this dir. |
| 17:59.59 | quittt | chealer, what?? |
| 18:00.06 | karsten | chealer: aptitude *is* CLI when invoked that way. |
| 18:00.06 | xam | coywolf: http://www.openmotif.org/ |
| 18:00.07 | coywolf | where's the offical downloading place? xam caphuso |
| 18:00.09 | caphuso | coywolf: in the fucking copyright file i told you to read, dumbass |
| 18:00.09 | Blissex | Herodes: that says that '/usr' is 820MB. Your '/dev/hda1' partition is 1.5GB, so thats fine. |
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| 18:00.20 | chealer | quittt: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 18:00.20 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, damn ill just install windows |
| 18:00.22 | sussudio | caphuso: yay! |
| 18:00.25 | caphuso | FFS, how stupid can a single person be? |
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| 18:00.33 | sussudio | caphuso: stupid enough to end up on my ignore list |
| 18:00.45 | ccui | bloodwulf1, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 18:00.52 | bloodwulf1 | i did that already |
| 18:00.55 | Blissex | Herodes: just copy '/usr/' to /home/', delete '/usr/' and remount '/dev/hda1' as '/usr'. |
| 18:00.55 | karsten | caphuso: Dunno. Is stupidity a positive or a negative? Can you be dumber than a rock? |
| 18:00.56 | bloodwulf1 | it says i have the lastet version |
| 18:00.57 | sussudio | caphuso: he's banned by several masks, btw. he keeps using different isps. |
| 18:01.07 | Blissex | Herodes: do you want a list of commands to do that? |
| 18:01.23 | chealer | karsten: yeah, but why use a longer way anyway? nobody can be a real debian user without knowing about apt-get install |
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| 18:01.27 | ccui | bloodwulf1, so,as root,iwconfig |
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| 18:01.34 | karsten | chealer: Read the factoid. |
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| 18:01.53 | karsten | chealer: aptitude == drop-in replacement for apt-get in most cases. Does suggests. Logs changes. |
| 18:02.03 | bloodwulf1 | ccui, it says no wireless extensions |
| 18:02.26 | karsten | chealer: ... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 18:02.35 | coax | in the "Gentoo handbook" under Kernel install (in stage 2) it does'nt say eny thing about how i can choose a specefik kernel... a 2.6.* kernel is not acurat enough for me! |
| 18:02.39 | karsten | chealer: ...anyway, telling you so's not to confuse the n00b. |
| 18:03.19 | coax | ups... wroung channel sorry! |
| 18:03.27 | chealer | karsten: logging changes is great. I'd like apt to handle that |
| 18:03.34 | ccui | bloodwulf1, so,that is,your card is not ready.. |
| 18:03.37 | karsten | coywolf: WRT lightweight browsers: what's your platform spec? CPU, MHz, RAM. |
| 18:03.45 | karsten | chealer: Well, aptitude does ;-) |
| 18:03.46 | chealer | karsten: nevertheless apt-get install is quicker :) |
| 18:03.52 | caphuso | chealer: no |
| 18:04.01 | karsten | chealer: Um. No. 'aptitude install foo' |
| 18:04.08 | DarkPainter | abrot? |
| 18:04.09 | Phated | It's actually less. :) |
| 18:04.16 | karsten | chealer: If you give cmdline arguments, it's *NOT* a curses ap. |
| 18:04.24 | chealer | ok, ok :) |
| 18:04.27 | ccui | bloodwulf1, recompile the kernel and support your card. |
| 18:04.47 | karsten | Phated: ?? |
| 18:05.04 | quittt | chealer, what exactly should I add there? |
| 18:05.05 | bloodwulf1 | how |
| 18:05.14 | ccui | or,you can try this,ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net ,when your card is not supported with kernel 2.6 serial. |
| 18:05.25 | iains | edibletext : sorry for delay - had to bath baby... using woody on a clevo laptop. |
| 18:05.31 | Phated | karsten: Nevermind me... :S |
| 18:05.33 | ccui | which card have you? |
| 18:05.40 | karsten | iains: What did you throw out? Baby or bathwater? |
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| 18:05.48 | chealer | karsten: nevertheless someone hs to know about apt-get INSTALL |
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| 18:05.52 | iains | karsten: saved time and did both |
| 18:05.55 | Phated | karsten: :) |
| 18:06.01 | karsten | chealer: Sure. Once: apt-get install aptitude. |
| 18:06.07 | Phated | Haha. |
| 18:07.03 | karsten | chealer: There's one downside to aptitude. First time you run it on a previously apt-get managed system, it may want to uninstall a lot. So get started with it early. |
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| 18:07.34 | vmstat | hello debian |
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| 18:07.44 | chealer | google "apt-get install" : 614,000, "aptitude install" : 6650 :) |
| 18:07.49 | vmstat | anyone use vpn (racoon/setkey) with debian? |
| 18:07.53 | karsten | chealer: IIRC that's because it doesn't track dselect-install, which is the one thing apt-get does that aptitude doesn't. 'apt-get dselect-install'. IIRC it's a filed bug. |
| 18:07.57 | sussudio | !irritate vmstat |
| 18:07.58 | dpkg | vmstat: wenas how can I make my lindows werkz lol |
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| 18:08.11 | caphuso | stupid coywolf claims he wouldn't have enough space to install the libmotif3 package, which needs installed 3MiB |
| 18:08.14 | karsten | chealer: Sure. apt-get is older. However Joey Hess is one fucking seriously clued guy. |
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| 18:08.23 | DarkPainter | !clue darkpainter |
| 18:08.35 | chealer | karsten: yeah the post is nice |
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| 18:08.41 | EdibleText | iains, clevo good choice. im on a 8500. One of the few lappys with full size kb and numpad :) |
| 18:08.47 | weems | I cant find a debian package for skype and apt-get doesnt find a package for dkype |
| 18:08.54 | weems | skype** |
| 18:08.54 | DarkPainter | !execute darkpainter |
| 18:08.58 | chealer | weems: skype isn't free |
| 18:09.03 | weems | i know |
| 18:09.04 | EdibleText | bad factiod |
| 18:09.07 | DarkPainter | !drown darkpainter |
| 18:09.12 | DarkPainter | aww danb==mn |
| 18:09.14 | weems | itsfree t download |
| 18:09.21 | sussudio | !factinfo CMD: execute (.*?) |
| 18:09.21 | dpkg | CMD: execute (.*?) -- created by Phated <~dyana@cm143.omega122.maxonline.com.sg> at Sat Jan 1 12:08:26 2005 (28 days). |
| 18:09.28 | Phated | o.o |
| 18:09.28 | sussudio | !smite Phated |
| 18:09.30 | Phated | I never! |
| 18:09.33 | Phated | Ever! |
| 18:09.37 | chealer | DarkPainter: hi. please play with the bot in private |
| 18:09.40 | DotHack | chealer you mean skype isnt GPL |
| 18:09.41 | Phated | Actually, I copied it off the old factoid. |
| 18:09.44 | sussudio | !literal CMD: execute (.*?) |
| 18:09.44 | dpkg | CMD: execute (.*?) is ($1): <action> (throws a Sony PlayStation2 BlackCD at $1|hangs $1 on a HIPPI fiberoptics cable|infects $1's mouse with AIDS|emits malicious muons from $1's CRT right into $1's brain|cuts the 100baseTX cable of $1). |
| 18:09.48 | quittt | thank you chealer ! |
| 18:09.52 | Phated | Skype's not DFSG-compliant. |
| 18:09.59 | quittt | I realized now want you meant to do hehe |
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| 18:10.04 | bluebeard | I was looking at some Debian source packages for some tools I needed on Solaris because the original source site was hard to find. I noticed the 'top' utility comes from "procps" which only works on systems with a Linux /proc. Where might I look to find a version of 'top' that does not need a /proc filesystem? I tried googling but the name is such a general word it came up with bogus stuff... |
| 18:10.06 | chealer | DarkPainter: e.g. /msg dpkg message. BTW how did your install go? |
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| 18:10.18 | jeky | Is any way how to store diff between 2 directories to 3. directory ? |
| 18:10.29 | chealer | quittt: cool, I spent hours setting up nvidia myself :) got big badlucks though |
| 18:10.39 | karsten | bluebeard: Um. If that's GNU top, try http://www.gnu.org/'s package search, Solaris port. |
| 18:10.53 | EdibleText | jeky, what do you want to do |
| 18:10.54 | bluebeard | karsten: ah, i didn't know they were responsible for it |
| 18:11.05 | EdibleText | jeky, snapshot backups? |
| 18:11.11 | bluebeard | karsten: i found the majority of what i needed on their ftp site but did not see that on it |
| 18:11.11 | karsten | bluebeard: I don't either ;-) |
| 18:11.17 | karsten | bluebeard: Solaris has its own top;. |
| 18:11.18 | jeky | EdibleText: yes |
| 18:11.36 | bluebeard | karsten: yeah it does usually but some of the systems i work on do not have it installed |
| 18:11.40 | ricky_clarkson | How long would it take a 64K dial-up user to download 15MB? |
| 18:11.56 | caphuso | http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/coywolf.log |
| 18:12.00 | bluebeard | karsten: i would install it but it's a fortune 100 corp and it takes decrees from God to get sys admins to install anything |
| 18:12.03 | caphuso | unbelievable |
| 18:12.05 | chealer | ricky_clarkson: use kcalc :) |
| 18:12.12 | ricky_clarkson | chealer: What's the maths though? |
| 18:12.12 | EdibleText | jeky, check this out http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 18:12.14 | karsten | bluebeard: WTF? Solaris w/o top? |
| 18:12.21 | karsten | bluebeard: Sure it's just not on your path? |
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| 18:12.32 | chealer | ricky_clarkson: 15 000 000/64 000 |
| 18:12.33 | ricky_clarkson | !15*1024*1024/(64*1024) |
| 18:12.33 | dpkg | 240 |
| 18:12.38 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: 1500 KB * 8 to get Kb, then divide by 64. |
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| 18:12.48 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, *8. |
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| 18:12.57 | ricky_clarkson | !15*1024*1024*8/(64*1024)/60 |
| 18:12.57 | dpkg | 32 |
| 18:13.03 | Phated | Er... Well, unless you want to be anal and use 15*1024*8. :) |
| 18:13.06 | ricky_clarkson | 32 minutes - is that about right? |
| 18:13.18 | Phated | Hmmm. |
| 18:13.36 | bluebeard | karsten: i'll hunt around some more |
| 18:13.48 | bluebeard | karsten: but the odd thing is, my homedir is NFS |
| 18:13.57 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Seems about right. |
| 18:14.02 | bluebeard | karsten: meaning i have the same shell profile and path every place |
| 18:14.06 | karsten | bluebeard: That's not particularly odd in Solaris. They're big on NFS. |
| 18:14.15 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Cheers for the *8 hint. |
| 18:14.18 | bluebeard | karsten: and it shows up on most of the systems i use but not all |
| 18:14.42 | bluebeard | karsten: i would assume the SUN* whatever package would put it in the same place on all systems if they did in fact have the package |
| 18:14.47 | karsten | bluebeard: Um. OK. There's also /usr/ucb/bin/ which may or may not be on all systems. "which top" will show you were it's at. |
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| 18:15.33 | bluebeard | karsten: yeah i experimented with that a little already and did not come up with an answer yet, i'll have to poke around some more |
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| 18:15.58 | sysfail | uit |
| 18:16.01 | sysfail | dammit |
| 18:16.11 | bluebeard | karsten: i was hoping perhaps somebody knew where i could get the source code so i could throw it into my unix toolkit i compile every weekend to get the latest utilities i need |
| 18:16.17 | jeky | EdibleText: I've read this of course..but I need this: I have /home/user and /home/backup/user created first time with rsync. It was tar.bz2 and mcrypted and after that .tar.bz2.crypt file transfered to backup machine. Problem is, that I need second time only diff betweeen /home/user and /home/backup/user and this diff tar.bz.crypt and transfer to backup machine. But I don't know,how to create diff between /home/user and /home/backup/user |
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| 18:16.26 | smace | que cliente de email vcs sugerem? |
| 18:16.29 | smace | ops |
| 18:16.30 | smace | sorry |
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| 18:16.36 | bluebeard | karsten: after using debian so long and being able to get essentially anything really easily, solaris sure is annoying |
| 18:16.52 | karsten | bluebeard: ;-) |
| 18:17.08 | karsten | bluebeard: Install xen and run your own Debian box on the Solaris system ;-) |
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| 18:17.12 | bluebeard | karsten: lucky for me though, i rescued a sparcstation 5 |
| 18:17.29 | bluebeard | karsten: so that's what i'm going to do soon enough, install debian, hahaha |
| 18:17.34 | iains | awwwwwwww - can anyone tell me where to find the knoppix x86 config file so i can compare it with my deb install? |
| 18:17.39 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Anytime. :) |
| 18:17.50 | bluebeard | karsten: only tricky part is, i have dialup at the moment, and my fortune 100 friends are blocking ftp |
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| 18:18.04 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: How about 11.30am? |
| 18:18.17 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Hmmm, my TZ or yours? |
| 18:18.33 | karsten | bluebeard: Slick. And blocking outbound or inbound? |
| 18:18.42 | bluebeard | karsten: and since they have a bizarre virus scanner going on http, it seems to get hosed up before the whole file is downloading right |
| 18:19.10 | bluebeard | karsten: as far as i can tell it would be both |
| 18:19.14 | karsten | bluebeard: Maybe: http://www.groupsys.com/top/faq.shtml |
| 18:19.28 | bluebeard | karsten: since my internal ip is 10.x.x.x, that implies nat, which kills the inbound idea |
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| 18:19.39 | bluebeard | karsten: and when i try it from inside, i get timeout errors |
| 18:19.45 | Kraig | hey, i recently got 2.6.10 and i'm trying to mount a VFAT partition, i was playing with the kernel config and i have support for VFAT, the codepage was set to 437 (somewhere i read i should play with 850) and iso8859-1 is the value of Default iocharset for FAT, when i try mounting the partition i get from dmesg = Unable to load NLS charset cp850, what am i missing? |
| 18:19.48 | karsten | bluebeard: What you need is file-transfer-over-named. |
| 18:19.49 | EdibleText | jeky, so you want to back new files in user, files that dont exist in backup? |
| 18:20.06 | karsten | bluebeard: ...and/or a USB drive. |
| 18:20.17 | karsten | bluebeard: Got wget? |
| 18:20.22 | bluebeard | karsten: i was thinking perhaps httptunnel from one of my outside systems that's 2 megabit |
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| 18:20.33 | bluebeard | karsten: actually wget was one of the first things i downloaded |
| 18:20.34 | jeky | EdibleText: yes ..and When I will need to restore, I copy this new files to full backup and than this "patched" backup to /home/user |
| 18:20.41 | karsten | bluebeard: Heh. |
| 18:20.52 | karsten | bluebeard: How annoying is solaris after Debian? |
| 18:20.53 | EdibleText | jeky, have you sinced deleted /home/backup/user |
| 18:20.54 | bluebeard | karsten: and i was playing with it, but it seemed like it did not like the user/password scheme that their proxy server is using |
| 18:21.13 | jeky | EdibleText: ? |
| 18:21.17 | bluebeard | karsten: well so far to be frank solaris has been less annoying than the prospect of acquiring debian |
| 18:21.45 | karsten | coywolf: Don't private msg. |
| 18:21.51 | bluebeard | karsten: but i figured out i could get unlimited cellular broadband access for $40 a month since my fortune 100 friends are a telephone company |
| 18:22.11 | karsten | bluebeard: Hrm. |
| 18:22.12 | bluebeard | karsten: so maybe i'll be able to download debian after i get that set up |
| 18:22.14 | karsten | bluebeard: /msg? |
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| 18:22.18 | EdibleText | jeky, hmm I got the impression that you have moved the backup to a new box.. |
| 18:22.20 | bluebeard | karsten: ok |
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| 18:22.42 | EdibleText | jeky, anyway.. rsync need to beable to compare |
| 18:22.45 | jeky | EdibleText: yes, I've moved, but also stay in /home/backup/ |
| 18:23.12 | EdibleText | jeky, read the man page check out --ignore-existing and similer options |
| 18:23.34 | redguy | Is there a Debian Way to echo stuff to /proc during boot? |
| 18:24.08 | jeky | EdibleText: problem is, that rsync still apply diff to /home/backup/user ..and I need to "extract" this diff to extra dir |
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| 18:24.25 | quittt | these nvidia driver dont work =[ |
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| 18:24.52 | jeky | EdibleText: I need only compare /home/user and /home/backup/user and save diff to /home/backup/user.diff.1 |
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| 18:25.14 | misfitx7 | can debian be used as a wireless router using a wireless adapter? |
| 18:25.16 | EdibleText | you can do use the -n switch to just get a list of files (-n does dry run) then use other utils to manipulate files based on that list |
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| 18:25.45 | EdibleText | jeky, read the man page.. you seem to know what you want. |
| 18:26.10 | cannikan | Is there a mirror for packages.debian.org? That site is down and I'm trying to find out what versions of mysql-server are available. |
| 18:27.05 | cannikan | there is a bug in mysql-server 4.0.23 and I need another version. |
| 18:27.18 | jeky | EdibleText: I've read of course..I know, that I can list diff and that to this list apply other commands..but I'd like to do this "nicer" way and not list diff and working with list ..that's why I'm asking here.. |
| 18:27.36 | cannikan | I have the .deb package for 4.0.22-6, but I get stack trace errors when I try and run it. |
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| 18:28.15 | jeky | EdibleText: because it looks, that there's no easy way, how to store diff from 2 directories :-( |
| 18:28.30 | cannikan | so I'm looking for a newer version, perhaps in unstable. |
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| 18:28.47 | strubbel_ | how can i redo in vim? |
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| 18:29.10 | Twitching_Fool | legend has it, that theres a room caled #vim |
| 18:29.16 | EdibleText | jeky, the problem seem to be that rsync compares two trees.. but you want to save the difference in a third |
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| 18:29.32 | strubbel | Twitching_Fool: yeah, ok :) |
| 18:29.41 | jeky | EdibleText: right |
| 18:29.45 | Twitching_Fool | strubbel: :help redo |
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| 18:29.54 | Twitching_Fool | strubbel: tis listed there |
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| 18:30.16 | strubbel | Twitching_Fool: thanks |
| 18:30.34 | EdibleText | jeky, hmm read up on that snapshot script... it does some nice tricks with cp and ln -s |
| 18:31.02 | chealer | cannikan: you got synaptic? |
| 18:31.23 | EdibleText | jeky, I bet yo can extract a working technique from that |
| 18:31.38 | cannikan | nope. but I can apt-get install it easy enough. :-) |
| 18:32.13 | chealer | cannikan: go for it, or maybe apt-show-versions mysql-server |
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| 18:32.52 | jeky | EdibleText: ok thnx.. (but as I said, I've read and I not found sollution which I'd like..) |
| 18:33.01 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Guerin's. |
| 18:33.15 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Hmm, all right then. |
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| 18:35.34 | iains | knoppix xserver configs don't seem to be in the /etc/x11 dir... - does anyone know where to find them? |
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| 18:36.01 | chealer | quittt: what's the problem with them? |
| 18:36.03 | lightbright | Hi all |
| 18:36.14 | chealer | iains: check /topic |
| 18:36.22 | lightbright | looking for some ideas for raid. |
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| 18:37.04 | iains | chealer : sorry - don't understand |
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| 18:37.17 | lightbright | I did a step by step for a clean Debian install onto a software raid using mdadm on ext3 |
| 18:37.24 | quittt | chealer,doesnt work |
| 18:37.27 | quittt | I will patch |
| 18:37.44 | chealer | iains: read the topic of #debian : "Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis are NOT Debian" |
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| 18:38.30 | chealer | quittt: install works, but X behaves strangely? |
| 18:38.38 | iains | chealer : sorry - :( i do now... i was just advised earlier on to check the knoppix config's so i can compare them with my deb xserver to try and get it to work.. apologies if this was off topic |
| 18:38.44 | asg | iains: also, once you understand the topic and find #knoppix to be dead, 'man find' will be a useful thing to look at |
| 18:38.52 | quittt | chealer, yes |
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| 18:39.28 | chealer | quittt: then #nvidia may be more helpful |
| 18:39.37 | iains | just a newbie trying to get it working gents... sorry |
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| 18:39.42 | misfitx7 | can wireless routing be done with a linux box using a wireless adapter? |
| 18:39.46 | andi5 | chealer: i know that knoppix is not debian, but just out of curiosity... is there something debianers strongly dislike of knoppix? |
| 18:39.59 | paulswm | iains: don't beat yourself up about it, I think you were just misunderstood |
| 18:40.14 | valdyn | andi5: no |
| 18:40.20 | asg | andi5: no, we have nothing against it, we just don't support it. Everyone, however, assumes we do since it is 'based on' Debian. |
| 18:40.41 | andi5 | asg, valdyn: thx :) |
| 18:41.07 | chealer | misfitx7: sure |
| 18:41.08 | paulswm | iains: a lot of folks come here expecting knoppix support, and ask similar questions to yours, hence the misunderstanding |
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| 18:41.32 | jacksonl | hey everyone |
| 18:41.36 | quittt | chealer, how do I patch something? |
| 18:41.40 | jacksonl | I was reccommended to come in here for this problem |
| 18:41.42 | iains | so can anyone help me get this kde working? it's killling me.. i can get to the graphical logon for kde, and then it hits the splash screen through to 'peripherals' then the screen jumps and it bumps back to the grahical logon again.. |
| 18:41.45 | ricky_clarkson | quittt: with patch |
| 18:41.47 | SexyKen | Is the athlon64 3500+ a good CPU? |
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| 18:41.55 | iains | only nuked winxp an hour or so ago :) |
| 18:41.56 | quittt | ricky_clarkson, how do I use that? |
| 18:42.00 | ricky_clarkson | quittt: man patch |
| 18:42.02 | iains | this looked sooo much more robust... |
| 18:42.06 | chealer | SexyKen: if not, send it here :) |
| 18:42.10 | ricky_clarkson | !not support |
| 18:42.10 | dpkg | We're already doing our best not to support Debian. To try not to support other distributions too would make #debian trolling /very/ tedious. |
| 18:42.14 | EdibleText | iains, look at your kde logs |
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| 18:42.25 | netsurfer | 18:44:32 up 1 day, 3:19, 2 users, load average: 4.10, 4.15, 3.79 <-- is this bad?? my box is taking a long time to compile some stuff now |
| 18:42.27 | jacksonl | my XP system just died on me and gives an error about boot error and please insert system disk. So i thought i would do system recovery, but first go in through knoppix to retrieve and backup some personal files etc |
| 18:42.28 | SexyKen | HaHa Chealer. |
| 18:42.40 | jacksonl | but i did cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:42.45 | iains | edibletext: sorry, i'm a complete newbie - can you tell me how to view these logs? |
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| 18:42.50 | ricky_clarkson | netsurfer: It's very bad. Your clock is faster than mine. |
| 18:42.50 | asg | iains: then if knoppix's XF86Config-4 isn't in /etc/X11, type "find / -type f -name 'XF86Conf*' -print" |
| 18:42.55 | jacksonl | and it came out with just: minor major #blocks name |
| 18:42.55 | asg | iains: and see what pops up |
| 18:43.13 | iains | asg: thx |
| 18:43.17 | paulswm | Netminder: 'top' should help you identify what's eating your CPU |
| 18:43.19 | quittt | chealer, how did you install NVIDIA manually?? |
| 18:43.19 | asg | iains: you're welcome |
| 18:43.27 | jacksonl | any help on getting this to be recognized would be greatly appreciated! |
| 18:43.31 | paulswm | netsurfer: 'top' should help you identify what's eating your CPU |
| 18:44.04 | jacksonl | when i did dmesg |
| 18:44.06 | jacksonl | i got this in it: |
| 18:44.07 | jacksonl | HDA: recal_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 18:44.22 | netsurfer | paulswm - thanks.. it was asterisk |
| 18:44.27 | paulswm | jacksonl: your hard drive is dying |
| 18:44.28 | asg | jacksonl: your drive may be about to throw in the towel |
| 18:44.37 | chealer | quittt: I'm not sure what you mean by manually and why you would do that. the debian nvidia howto you checked already lists 4 ways. there's also the official "nvidia-installer" (nvidia.com) but it's not recommended for debian |
| 18:44.39 | jacksonl | aw that sucks |
| 18:44.40 | EdibleText | jacksonl, thats like the popup timer on a turkey |
| 18:44.40 | netsurfer | 18:48:49 up 1 day, 3:23, 2 users, load average: 1.70, 3.40, 3.61 |
| 18:44.44 | strubbel | packages.debian.org is down since 3 hours or more :_| |
| 18:44.49 | jacksonl | is there any way to save some of the information in there? |
| 18:44.53 | asg | strubbel: /topic |
| 18:44.54 | chealer | strubbel: check /topic |
| 18:45.04 | jacksonl | or could it be that its disconnected through hardware issues? |
| 18:45.09 | jacksonl | or is it just dying ;) |
| 18:45.21 | iains | can someone tell me where the kde logs are and how i view them? |
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| 18:45.40 | strubbel | aaaaah |
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| 18:45.48 | asg | iains: probably in /var/log (for X probably /var/log/XFree86.0.log) |
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| 18:46.01 | paulswm | jacksonl: whenever I've seen that, it is the drive dying, you can always double check using your drive manufacturer's disk check software |
| 18:46.01 | asg | iains: view them with either 'less or more' |
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| 18:46.17 | chealer | iains: check ~/.xsession-errors, and please ask on #knoppix if it's not debian |
| 18:46.21 | netsplit | Can someone tell me what package contains pdf2text or pdftotext or some such? packages.debian.org is always down when I need it. |
| 18:46.22 | jacksonl | oh... so should i give up and buy a new HD or keep trying to get the files thru knoppix? |
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| 18:46.37 | asg | netsplit: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:46.42 | netsplit | asg: Thanks. |
| 18:46.48 | asg | netsplit: the bit about apt-file is particularly interesting |
| 18:46.54 | Roadrunne | hi @ll, can I redirect the output (via echo) from a shell script into a log-file? This shell script is started in a cron job. I tried "test.sh >> logfile" but the the cron-job does not run... |
| 18:46.55 | Zenethian | Where does one get the latest GPG keys that packages are signed with from debian? |
| 18:47.00 | Zenethian | the last one expired 2 days ago. |
| 18:47.05 | paulswm | jacksonl: copy off what you can right now, get new drive, sometimes the dirve will get worse fast |
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| 18:47.22 | jacksonl | but the thing is i dont know how to copy things off |
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| 18:47.27 | netsplit | asg: Uhm, well /msg dpkg search does not reveal a thing. |
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| 18:47.43 | jacksonl | should i mount it first by using 'mount /dev/hada1 /mnt' |
| 18:47.44 | jacksonl | ? |
| 18:47.48 | asg | Roadrunne: at the top of your cron file, just put 'MAILTO=your@email.address.tld' and cron will mail you the output. |
| 18:47.49 | jacksonl | *hda1 |
| 18:47.53 | EdibleText | !tell netsplit about search |
| 18:48.12 | asg | netsplit: it gives you a number or possible non-p.d.o means for finding stuff. |
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| 18:48.34 | asg | s/or/of/ |
| 18:48.44 | Roadrunne | asg: don't wanna a mail :-) can i also put LOGFILE=/var/log...? |
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| 18:49.16 | netsplit | asg: Oh OK, I misread what you said. I was trying to do /msg dpkg search pdf2txt ... so /me goes off to install apt-file, thanks! |
| 18:49.25 | asg | netsplit: you're welcome |
| 18:49.29 | iains | ok - so in the logs it seems to crash at an xf86openserial : cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device. having already installed the ps2 mouse...so do i need to delete this serial mouse from the config? |
| 18:49.43 | lightbright | iains: I had a problem like that too once. |
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| 18:50.03 | EdibleText | !usbmouse |
| 18:50.03 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 18:50.05 | iains | lightbright : are you my saviour? |
| 18:50.06 | asg | Roadrunne: no but putting '>& /path/to/log' should do it (unless the cron doesn't have access to write to /path/to/log) |
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| 18:50.15 | lightbright | ianins: I had to apt-get remove kdm and apt-get install it again. |
| 18:50.34 | EdibleText | iains,do [2] |
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| 18:51.05 | paulswm | jacksonl: as you don't have it mounted at the moment, what filesystem is on it (like is it /home or something?) |
| 18:51.08 | Roadrunne | asg: thx, i'll try it. Whats the difference between ">>" and ">&"? |
| 18:51.09 | lightbright | ianins: are you up on apt-get ? |
| 18:51.10 | asg | !comfort EdibleText |
| 18:51.11 | dpkg | There, there, EdibleText. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 18:51.21 | paulswm | EdibleText: heh |
| 18:51.24 | asg | Roadrunne: the latter redirects stdin and stdout |
| 18:51.25 | jacksonl | ntfs? |
| 18:51.27 | EdibleText | dpkg, thanks |
| 18:51.27 | dpkg | no problem, EdibleText |
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| 18:51.32 | asg | Roadrunne: the former appends stdout |
| 18:51.41 | jacksonl | paulswm: is that what you wanted? |
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| 18:52.17 | paulswm | jacksonl: so it's your Windows partition? |
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| 18:52.21 | jacksonl | right |
| 18:52.22 | iains | edibletext: but i'm not using a usb mouse... |
| 18:52.24 | jacksonl | the only partition on there |
| 18:52.34 | Herodes | for compiling kernel....this is not deprecated yes?? -->http://pastebin.com/234967 |
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| 18:52.52 | sveglio | hello everybody!! |
| 18:53.01 | matteo` | ciao sveglio |
| 18:53.09 | sveglio | ciao |
| 18:53.17 | asg | Herodes: no, it isn't |
| 18:53.17 | EdibleText | iains, but KDE wants the device. You can make the device or make KDE not need it |
| 18:53.28 | asg | Herodes: if you want to do it the 'Debian Way (TM)', /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:53.28 | Herodes | asg, thx u. |
| 18:53.31 | paulswm | jacksonl: you could try using ntfsclone to save it, apt-get install ntfsprogs and read the man page for ntfsclone |
| 18:53.44 | iains | gotcha |
| 18:53.44 | iains | sorry.... i'm learning as fast as i can |
| 18:53.52 | jacksonl | will knoppix let me do that? |
| 18:53.57 | Herodes | asg, i never understood that "/msg dpkg" ?? |
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| 18:54.03 | ideafix | Monkeys Pay to See Female Monkey Bottoms -> what an insight ! :P |
| 18:54.10 | asg | Herodes: type it in your irc client, our bot will tell you information. |
| 18:54.10 | andi5 | asg: man bash tells me >& redirects stdout and stderr :) no stdin *wondering* |
| 18:54.19 | asg | andi5: sorry, typo on my part |
| 18:54.33 | andi5 | *sigh* |
| 18:54.43 | asg | andi5: kudos for checking the manpage and not blindly trusting people on irc |
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| 18:55.19 | Buuyo^ | whoah, debian overflow? :| |
| 18:55.23 | thingfish | heh EdibleText |
| 18:55.25 | andi5 | asg: but they took the kudos away in the reloaded version =( |
| 18:55.41 | asg | !andi5++ |
| 18:55.50 | asg | andi5: at least the bot gives karma |
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| 18:56.28 | kulk | alguien de chile |
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| 18:56.40 | asg | kulk: no |
| 18:56.54 | kulk | entonces que hablen español |
| 18:56.59 | asg | !spanish |
| 18:57.00 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:57.02 | asg | kulk: ^^^ |
| 18:57.02 | jacksonl | ok i did 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt' |
| 18:57.10 | jacksonl | and it said i needed to specify filesystem type |
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| 18:57.16 | jacksonl | if its ntfs |
| 18:57.22 | jacksonl | where would i include that in the command |
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| 18:58.20 | andi5 | jacksonl: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt? |
| 18:58.21 | kulk | tengo un router con 6 ip y tengo la pass de ingreso pero al modo enable me pide la pass ĦĦĦĦĦ hay alguna forma de crackear esa pass en el router???? |
| 18:58.33 | Herodes | Blissex, sorry. It have finished. (tar zcvf /home.tar.gz /usr). What i needed to do now?. |
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| 18:58.34 | sussudio | !confuse kulk |
| 18:58.34 | dpkg | Yes, those are your snake yesterday, kulk? breeches of the republic of tibet with extra herring |
| 18:58.44 | asg | kulk: read your the router docs |
| 18:58.49 | paulswm | jacksonl: if you are going to use ntfsclone (which is on the knoppix CD I think), you don't have to mount the filesystem, if you are doing it some other way, then you probably do |
| 18:58.50 | asg | kulk: contact the manufacturer |
| 18:59.02 | asg | kulk: and speak English or bugger off to #debian-es |
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| 18:59.15 | kulk | I,cant |
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| 18:59.34 | kulk | I dont speak english very well |
| 18:59.38 | kulk | but |
| 18:59.39 | paulswm | no shit |
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| 18:59.43 | asg | kulk: then speak spanish in #debian-es |
| 18:59.50 | kulk | oka |
| 18:59.52 | paulswm | whoops, sorry, unintended |
| 19:00.01 | jacksonl | thanks guys |
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| 19:00.03 | CXDoctor | hey guys, which debian binary iso do I need if I speak english and only want to download one image.. |
| 19:00.04 | kulk | tank's |
| 19:00.07 | Phated | paulswm: Haaarsh... |
| 19:00.08 | asg | kulk: you're welcome |
| 19:00.16 | Phated | CXDoctor: The first. |
| 19:00.25 | asg | CXDoctor: non, use a netinstall if you can |
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| 19:00.25 | CXDoctor | that is all ill need, right? |
| 19:00.27 | ricky_clarkson | CXDoctor: The sarge netinstall ISO, unless you really want woody. |
| 19:00.34 | paulswm | Phated: didn't mean it, not his fault he doesn't, I feel awful |
| 19:00.44 | paulswm | !beat paulswm |
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| 19:00.48 | Phated | paulswm: Indeed. |
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| 19:00.54 | CXDoctor | id rather not do a net install. the machine isnt on the net right now |
| 19:00.56 | asg | paulswm: thought you were referring to me (I keep making dumb mistakes.) |
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| 19:01.11 | HeMan | Hi! Anyone knows what happend to mrouted? It's in stable but not in unstable |
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| 19:01.41 | HeMan | Is there any other multicast routing daemons by the way? |
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| 19:01.49 | EdibleText | paulswm, your impulse control mechinism was bypassed. the thought when from your brain to fingers |
| 19:01.51 | asg | !info mrouted sid |
| 19:01.53 | dpkg | mrouted: (Multicast routing daemon to connect MBone to your subnet), section non-free/net, is optional. Version: 3.9-beta3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 19:01.55 | paulswm | asg: no, my dumb mistake |
| 19:01.55 | asg | HeMan: ^^^ |
| 19:02.06 | asg | HeMan: it's there, just non-free |
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| 19:02.24 | WillR | anyone know of any programs that can run on a server to convert sip-to-h323 ? |
| 19:02.27 | paulswm | EdibleText: that's exactly it, I keep forgetting to turn off asshole mode |
| 19:02.31 | jacksonl | ok i did the 'mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt' command |
| 19:02.33 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:02.35 | jacksonl | and it returned with: |
| 19:02.37 | asg | paulswm: don't beat yourself up over it, nobody is perfect. |
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| 19:02.51 | jacksonl | Wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1 |
| 19:02.54 | paulswm | asg: that's not the way my mother sees it, heh |
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| 19:03.11 | HeMan | asg: hmm, just realized i have sarge... |
| 19:03.11 | asg | paulswm: ah, well :( |
| 19:03.14 | kulk | asgĦĦĦĦĦ |
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| 19:03.24 | asg | HeMan: /msg dpkg why is mrouted not in testing |
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| 19:03.32 | Roadrunne | asg: the cronjob won't run if i add >& /var/log... |
| 19:03.35 | jacksonl | is there another command i can try to mount it |
| 19:03.36 | paulswm | asg: I would be closer to perfect if it wasn't for my excessive modesty |
| 19:03.42 | asg | paulswm: heh |
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| 19:03.44 | jacksonl | or should i go to ntfsclone? |
| 19:03.52 | blackout | i've got a slightly off-topic question - where would one go to learn about things like... how to program with libgcrypt? |
| 19:03.58 | blackout | is there a usual way to go about it? |
| 19:04.13 | Twitching_Fool | yeah, the docs for it if it has any |
| 19:04.20 | asg | Roadrunne: first, is this a personal cronjob or one run from /etc/cron.d* ? |
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| 19:04.25 | paulswm | jacksonl: my advice is to use ntfsclone, hwever you might want to google for the man page and read up on it first |
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| 19:04.39 | astronut | why are they down? |
| 19:04.45 | jacksonl | alright |
| 19:04.46 | Roadrunne | asg: it's a jobfile in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 19:04.48 | asg | astronut: /topic |
| 19:04.55 | WillR | does anyone know of any programs that can run on a server to convert sip-to-h323 ? |
| 19:04.55 | jacksonl | but that command i did should have mounted it, correct? |
| 19:04.55 | astronut | asg: i asked WHY |
| 19:04.56 | paulswm | jacksonl: it's a forlorn hope, but you dont have a backup, do you? |
| 19:04.59 | asg | Roadrunne: okay, paste the single line that defines your cronjob |
| 19:05.01 | astronut | topic just says they ARE down |
| 19:05.02 | jacksonl | nope :( |
| 19:05.04 | HeMan | asg: thanks! seems that mrouted is going away... |
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| 19:05.12 | netsplit | jacksonl: Can Knoppix read that partition? |
| 19:05.15 | asg | astronut: you joined and asked something nonsensical. |
| 19:05.22 | HeMan | let's see if quagga can help me |
| 19:05.36 | paulswm | jacksonl: do this: 'sfdisk -l /dev/hda' and paste what it says for that partition (just the one line) |
| 19:05.38 | astronut | asg: why are the people.d.o, et. all boxes down |
| 19:05.40 | jacksonl | well the cat /prac/partitions returned nothing |
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| 19:05.50 | Roadrunne | asg: 50 * * * * root /var/data/downloaddata.sh >& /var/log/downloaddata.log |
| 19:05.51 | asg | astronut: probably a hardware fix, network re-arrangement. |
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| 19:05.56 | astronut | k |
| 19:06.03 | Twitching_Fool | blackout: never used libgcrypt, though I've used openssl that way, docs just tell you what each function does etc..but you need a understanding of crypto to use it for sure, else you might do silly things like using the passwd directly as the key etc...not that you would do that, as i have nfi how much you know |
| 19:06.05 | jacksonl | alright paulswm, one sec |
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| 19:06.17 | astronut | and what is alioth, i just saw a link to it, but never heard of that box b4 |
| 19:06.18 | asg | Roadrunne: now, it doesn't run because nothing is in /var/log/downloaddata.log or because you don't see it in /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:06.34 | asg | astronut: it's a sourceforge type thing for Debian projects. |
| 19:06.37 | astronut | ah |
| 19:07.13 | Roadrunne | asg: nothing is is syslog. a soon as i remove >&... the job runs and is in syslog |
| 19:07.34 | asg | Roadrunne: hmmm, that is very odd |
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| 19:08.15 | Roadrunne | asg: and i get a mail with the result. but as soon as i want to write a log file the job doesn't run |
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| 19:08.19 | blackout | Twitching_Fool, and where would i find "the docs"? |
| 19:08.26 | Covener | Roadrunne: is the #! that script explicitly bash? |
| 19:08.26 | jacksonl | ok the first line returned: "disk /dev/hda cannot get size" |
| 19:08.36 | blackout | Twitching_Fool, i thought /usr/share/doc/libgcrypt*, but i haven't seen anything |
| 19:08.36 | jacksonl | and then the rest was all things about other things it couldnt find |
| 19:08.38 | Twitching_Fool | blackout: sudo apt-get install libgcrypt-doc |
| 19:09.00 | Roadrunne | asg: #!/bin/bash |
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| 19:09.33 | paulswm | jacksonl: it sounds as if the disk is really screwed, get the disk manufaturer's software and check it |
| 19:09.33 | jacksonl | alright |
| 19:09.33 | jacksonl | thanks all for your help! |
| 19:09.33 | paulswm | jacksonl: prepare yourself for a possiblr total loss, though |
| 19:09.37 | Eagle101 | help. anyone know any gnome 2.9.4 repos? |
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| 19:09.43 | Twitching_Fool | smartctl is nice for checking hd crap, btw :> |
| 19:09.45 | jacksonl | yeah im starting to feel that itll be that way ;) |
| 19:09.54 | jacksonl | im so used to it, having a windows-only computer |
| 19:10.18 | paulswm | jacksonl: sorry about your disk, but at least you'll do backups from now on |
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| 19:10.28 | jacksonl | hahahaha yeah lesson learned :) |
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| 19:10.46 | blackout | Twitching_Fool, yeah, i did that |
| 19:10.46 | BRBearr | Hello |
| 19:10.49 | paulswm | jacksonl: we all get caught like that sooner or later |
| 19:10.51 | Roadrunne | asg: within the script there are some normal echo's. script itselft runs->output to console, script in cron runs->output to mail, script with >&... doesn't run!? |
| 19:10.57 | asg | Roadrunne: does ' > /var/log/.. 2>&1' work or do you get the same thing? |
| 19:11.11 | Roadrunne | asg: i'll try it.... |
| 19:11.52 | paulswm | !confort jacksonl |
| 19:11.55 | paulswm | !comfort jacksonl |
| 19:11.56 | dpkg | There, there, jacksonl. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:12.20 | Twitching_Fool | blackout: ha, nice. just run info libgcrypt |
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| 19:12.28 | iains | edibletext : the usb mouse thing didn't work.. it created the dev's but still in the logon loop |
| 19:12.29 | blackout | Twitching_Fool, ah, found something now |
| 19:12.33 | ricky_clarkson | !confort $1 is <reply>There, there, $who. $1 will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 19:12.33 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 19:12.34 | asg | paulswm: try !conport next time :) |
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| 19:12.40 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: ^^ |
| 19:12.41 | blackout | Twitching_Fool, i'm used to just looking at README.gz in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 19:12.47 | paulswm | !conport asg |
| 19:12.56 | paulswm | heh |
| 19:12.59 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: You suck. |
| 19:13.00 | asg | paulswm: you're already w/ port, I'm w/ beer |
| 19:13.08 | ricky_clarkson | con birra |
| 19:13.15 | BRBearr | I have 3 hard drives on my tower, and I can't tell which is which when I start the install for Debian. |
| 19:13.21 | kzar | is there a way to change the /home directory to /export/home (/export is a different drive) |
| 19:13.23 | paulswm | d'oh, I am *such* a dumbass |
| 19:13.34 | ricky_clarkson | kzar: vi /etc/passwd |
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| 19:13.59 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: very good |
| 19:14.13 | paulswm | !confort ricky_clarkson |
| 19:14.13 | dpkg | There, there, paulswm. ricky_clarkson will give a spelling checker for your birthday. |
| 19:14.14 | kzar | ricky_clarkson: so i have to set each user up like that, I cant just change the defualt for new users ? |
| 19:14.22 | Roadrunne | asg: so changed, now i'm waiting. Does cron wants to write the log file with the user given in the job or with a cron user? |
| 19:14.25 | ricky_clarkson | kzar: No clue. |
| 19:14.26 | EdibleText | I only have tequila. But i afraid of it. |
| 19:14.27 | pipeline | So, does prelinking nullify the advantages of dynamic binaries? |
| 19:14.35 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: you have a sharp wit |
| 19:14.40 | pipeline | Do libs loaded through prelinking still work as shared libraries with non-prelinked binaries? |
| 19:14.45 | kzar | ricky_clarkson: ok thanks, I'l just do that then |
| 19:14.51 | thingfish | oh, tequila won't hurt you, you just have to take it easy. |
| 19:14.52 | saloxin | kzar: vi /etc/adduser.conf |
| 19:14.58 | asg | Roadrunne: well, it's usually written to syslog so it shouldn't matter |
| 19:15.07 | kzar | saloxin: ahh cool thanks |
| 19:15.19 | kzar | by the way I prefer nano to vi, I actualy understand it |
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| 19:15.22 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: and it's my birthday on Tuesday (Feb 1st), so you'd better get moving on that spell checker :) |
| 19:15.29 | asg | Roadrunne: if for some reason that doesn't work and you don't want to fool anymore, replace your 'echo' statements with calls to '/usr/bin/logger' |
| 19:15.38 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: You are a complete wit. |
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| 19:16.05 | Roadrunne | asg: now it works, whats the difference? do i have to put an empty file to be able to append to? |
| 19:16.08 | pipeline | EdibleText: The thing to remember while drinking is that you're voluntarily drinking poison. Tequila won't hurt you. Although it might kill you or damage your kidneys :) |
| 19:16.21 | asg | Roadrunne: >& is a bashism, > /meh 2>&1 is a shism |
| 19:16.30 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: think you missed a leading 't' there, heh |
| 19:16.36 | pder | I have a USB printer that I configured with CUPS. Why does restarting cupsys always load the parport and lp modules? I dont want it to |
| 19:16.37 | pipeline | asg: Actually, >& is a csh-ism |
| 19:16.37 | ricky_clarkson | Tequila hurts if you try to drink it through your eyes. |
| 19:16.49 | asg | pipeline: ah, well, supported by bash |
| 19:16.49 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Intentional - when you read it aloud, the 't' is there. |
| 19:17.26 | pipeline | asg: Bash was an attempt to bolt csh usability onto the side of ash scriptability. |
| 19:17.26 | EdibleText | pipeline, yeah. This damn chemical engine called my brain keeps suducing me into doing silly things |
| 19:17.29 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: see, /me is a dumbass again :( |
| 19:17.43 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Is that the USA effect? |
| 19:17.52 | Roadrunne | asg: ok, but with > /var/log/... 2>&1 I don't append, or do I? |
| 19:17.52 | thingfish | heh |
| 19:17.57 | asg | pipeline: cool |
| 19:18.08 | pipeline | EdibleText: Sounds like it's well nigh time to punish it. You see, until you turn twenty five, there's no such thing as alcoholism in the united states. People will pardon your most dangerous habits using the "boys will be boys" clause (until you're arrested) |
| 19:18.11 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: no, it's the been up since 0200 effect, I think |
| 19:18.15 | asg | Roadrunne: that would overwrite, >> /var/log ..., should do the trick |
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| 19:18.23 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Ah. I only got up at 1400 |
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| 19:18.49 | pder | why does cups load the parport module when i dont have a parallel port printer configured? |
| 19:18.51 | pipeline | asg: "dash," of course, is a Debian fork of "ash" |
| 19:19.00 | Roadrunne | asg: that was what i tried at the beginning. is 2>&1 necessary, or does it only disable output to mail? |
| 19:19.07 | asg | pipeline: right |
| 19:19.09 | EdibleText | pipeline, yup 25 is the magick number.. after that no more leeway |
| 19:19.21 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: bastards at work conspired to get me up by screwing up my systems, I think |
| 19:19.22 | asg | Roadrunne: no, 2>&1 redirects stderr to wherever stdout is going |
| 19:19.28 | pipeline | EdibleText: Yeah, because when you hit 26, your car insurance rates go down. |
| 19:19.38 | Xenguy | pipeline: question authority, and drink for yerself :P |
| 19:19.41 | BRBearr | Can someone tell me how hard drives are listed in the install routine? |
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| 19:19.51 | tobehz | BRBearr: hdx |
| 19:19.55 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: You should set your cron jobs to a more more sociable hour :) |
| 19:20.04 | tobehz | starting with the ide0, master to slave |
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| 19:20.23 | tobehz | so hda is ide0 master, hdb is ide0 slave |
| 19:20.27 | BRBearr | How do I tell which drive is on the primary channel, which is secondary, etc.? |
| 19:20.31 | tobehz | and so on |
| 19:20.41 | Roadrunne | asg: ok, i'll try the append mode... :-) |
| 19:20.59 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: yeah my users would really love that :) |
| 19:21.11 | tobehz | BRBearr: im not sure if there is a clearcut way of that |
| 19:21.26 | tobehz | but the naming scheme should be easy enough to follow and work from |
| 19:22.01 | paulswm | "I sleep at night so from now on your systems will be available after 1400 daily kthx" |
| 19:22.15 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Do you charge extra for callouts? |
| 19:22.27 | BRBearr | I have three, one is clean |
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| 19:23.03 | tobehz | BRBearr: alright so, you have a master/slave for one channel, and a master for another |
| 19:23.05 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: I'm not a contractor, all part of the job, but actually I don't really mind, only get about 2 pages a month |
| 19:23.11 | tobehz | they are named the same way the bios picks them up |
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| 19:23.20 | dav89 | hello |
| 19:23.21 | tobehz | well, named in the order the bios displays them, rather |
| 19:23.35 | Roadrunne | asg: now it's working. seems that i need the 2>&1 to get it working? |
| 19:23.37 | tobehz | so if you have a hard drive first, a cd rom second, and a dvd drive |
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| 19:23.44 | tobehz | and the cd-rom and dvd are on ide1 |
| 19:23.44 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Ever heard of 'overtime'? |
| 19:24.00 | tobehz | hda would be your harddrive, hdc would be cd-rom, and hdd would be dvd |
| 19:24.06 | tobehz | understand the naming scheme? |
| 19:24.15 | dav89 | i have been using linux mandrake for 2 year and i would link to move to debian......what do you think? i'm not sure......is debian provided with windows? |
| 19:24.20 | dav89 | i have been using linux mandrake for 2 year and i would link to move to debian......what do you think? i'm not sure......is debian provided with windows x?* |
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| 19:24.23 | BRBearr | So if the BIOS shows my target drive as the second on the list, it should be hdb? |
| 19:24.32 | tobehz | aye |
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| 19:24.39 | chealer | dav89: debian ships X, indeed |
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| 19:24.58 | tobehz | BRBearr: are you IN debian? |
| 19:25.03 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: salaried, so everything after 40 is free, but my employer is generous with both comp time and letting me work from home a lot (I have a very poorly spouse) |
| 19:25.07 | kekostar | how i confure in debian my monitor... bicause X dont start |
| 19:25.14 | kekostar | configure |
| 19:25.14 | tobehz | !setup x |
| 19:25.15 | BRBearr | I'm in XP at the moment. |
| 19:25.16 | chealer | dav89: it's about time you switch to debian. I've done it 6 months after I started using mandrake :) |
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| 19:25.31 | Xenguy | dav89: yes debian comes with X. Why do you want to switch to Debian? |
| 19:25.42 | iains | still won't open the dev/input/mice "no such device", but the last thing it says before fatal server error is XINPUT adding extended input device "configured mouse" |
| 19:25.48 | BRBearr | I'm trying to install Debian, just want to do it on the clean drive. |
| 19:25.50 | dav89 | because i've heard that it is very hard to use |
| 19:25.55 | tobehz | BRBearr: ahh |
| 19:26.03 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I believe you should pay people for the work that they do. |
| 19:26.09 | pingouin | dav89: just do it ! |
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| 19:26.17 | tobehz | BRBearr: it will ask you to partition your target drive anyways |
| 19:26.20 | kekostar | how i configure in debian my monitor... bicause X dont start |
| 19:26.28 | pipeline | BRBearr: What version are you trying to install? |
| 19:26.33 | dav89 | and it isn't very easy to use.....eg. is very quickly install the software throught RPM (even if compile is the best way) |
| 19:26.36 | Covener | iains: did you mean to have a slash at the front of that? Deos that device exist in your filesystem? are you running a debian kernel? have full HID or usb mouse support? |
| 19:26.41 | tobehz | so when you're at that point, if you see Windows partition or something in the partitioning step |
| 19:26.44 | ayuda | de |
| 19:26.45 | ayuda | d |
| 19:26.46 | chealer | dav89: woody isn't like sarge. sarge is in "testing", but about to become stable. you get it easily anyway |
| 19:26.47 | tobehz | you'll know it's on the wrong drive :p |
| 19:26.50 | BRBearr | I have the iso for 3 release 4 |
| 19:26.54 | pipeline | BRBearr: Because if you're using the new-style installer, you can play around in the partitioner as much as you want -- it won't delete anything without giving you a big message dialogue where you have to hit "yes" |
| 19:26.59 | Xenguy | dav89: installing and removing software in debian is easy |
| 19:27.08 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: I get paid, one way or the other, I don't feel like I'm being taken advantage of |
| 19:27.11 | tobehz | aye |
| 19:27.13 | dav89 | how to install and remove? |
| 19:27.17 | BRBearr | the install asks which drive do I want to partition, and I want to point to the clean drive. |
| 19:27.22 | wilbertoki | hello, I need kernel source to buil linux-wlan-ng against and I have installed kernel source package and untarred it in /usr/src and made a symlink to it for /usr/src/linux but wlan-ng says I only have the headers installed not the full source -- what else do I have to do? |
| 19:27.27 | iains | covener : slash, yes - does it exist. yes. debian, yes. last quesstion don't know... |
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| 19:27.41 | asg | Roadrunne: well, 2>&1 is only needed to capture stderr in this case |
| 19:27.41 | tobehz | BRBearr: alright so, how does your bios list the drives? |
| 19:27.43 | Xenguy | dav89: apt-get install package OR apt-get remove package |
| 19:27.44 | tobehz | in which order |
| 19:27.52 | Xenguy | dav89: that's it ;-) |
| 19:27.59 | BRBearr | my target drive is listed second in the bios |
| 19:28.07 | tobehz | so ide0/slave? |
| 19:28.09 | dav89 | but where do i found th package? |
| 19:28.09 | Roadrunne | asg: just testing again without 2>&1. Is is possible to mail and log it? |
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| 19:28.15 | dav89 | is there a full list as in freebsd? |
| 19:28.21 | chealer | iains: are you running knoppix? |
| 19:28.27 | iains | covener : it installs the ps2 one fine |
| 19:28.31 | tobehz | dav89: you can use a package manager, such as synaptic |
| 19:28.33 | dav89 | because in freebsd you select the packet and the system downloads it for you |
| 19:28.39 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Yeah, atm. My ex-gf worked all the time and they just kept putting extra responsibilities on without giving her extra money, crept into our valuable social life. |
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| 19:28.44 | chealer | dav89: yes it's as good |
| 19:28.46 | iains | chealer : no i'm not. it's debian. i was only using knoppix to see if i could check the config files it created |
| 19:28.48 | tobehz | dav89: apt-cache search <package> to search |
| 19:28.55 | iains | chealer : this is deffo debian. |
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| 19:29.04 | Xenguy | dav89: you configure one file to point to a Debian mirror, then it goes there and finds the software you ask for (and satisfies any dependencies automatically also :-) |
| 19:29.05 | runedude` | Hi guys one quick question, is there a way to have old windows shared folders accessable from Linux? :) |
| 19:29.08 | serfurj | are there any mirrors to packages.debian.org? |
| 19:29.16 | dav89 | xengury |
| 19:29.18 | EdibleText | runedude`, samba |
| 19:29.18 | dav89 | how to do that? |
| 19:29.25 | ricky_clarkson | runedude`: Shared in what way? Over the network? If so, samba. If not, man mount. |
| 19:29.27 | saloxin | dav89: or try aptitue |
| 19:29.31 | runedude` | Network :) yes |
| 19:29.34 | runedude` | Ok |
| 19:29.36 | Newport | is there a boot disk or something i can use to find out the make and model of a mother board? i need to go help a friend and that info isnt written on MB anywhere |
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| 19:29.56 | runedude` | root ;) |
| 19:29.57 | tobehz | Newport: why would you need the mobo info? |
| 19:29.59 | runedude` | silly user |
| 19:30.05 | asg | serfurj: /msg dpkg search (there are other ways to find info besides p.d.o) |
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| 19:30.27 | tobehz | newport: and are you sure nothing is on the motherboard? |
| 19:30.28 | Newport | tobehz, cause im upgrading his ram to 512mb... prob mb will not support withoput bios upgrade :) |
| 19:30.28 | Xenguy | dav89: you can run 'apt-setup' to configure your mirror, or you can just edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually |
| 19:30.40 | Newport | tobehz, yeah i looked at it with a flashlight :) |
| 19:30.41 | dav89 | xengury how to get debian? |
| 19:30.47 | tobehz | Newport: what type of computer is it |
| 19:30.52 | tobehz | like which brand? |
| 19:30.59 | Newport | pieces built |
| 19:31.02 | Newport | no brand |
| 19:31.05 | runedude` | Once I have samba installed, how do I access it? :) |
| 19:31.05 | Roadrunne | asg: damn, now it's working. don't know what's gone wrong before... |
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| 19:31.11 | tobehz | it's custom with no visible motherboard brand? |
| 19:31.12 | Xenguy | dav89: you have a broadband net connection? |
| 19:31.13 | tobehz | uhh.. O_o |
| 19:31.17 | dav89 | yes i hav |
| 19:31.19 | tobehz | that's pretty sketchy :x |
| 19:31.23 | Newport | tobehz, exactly |
| 19:31.24 | asg | Roadrunne: a typo possibly *shrug* |
| 19:31.29 | chealer | iains: did you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 19:31.30 | asg | Roadrunne: either way, glad it's working |
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| 19:31.41 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: I'm careful about that, and I have some influence in that regard, but I am also inclined to cut my employer some breaks, too. Spouse is terminally ill and my director (and the company) have been generous in allowing me a lot of flexibility so I can spend time with her |
| 19:31.47 | Roadrunne | asg: ah, just got the mail. so, it's working perfect. thanks for ya help!!! |
| 19:31.51 | Xenguy | dav89: you probably want a 'network install' type of installation approach then |
| 19:32.01 | dav89 | network install |
| 19:32.04 | dav89 | what does it mean? |
| 19:32.04 | chealer | runedude`: create shares? |
| 19:32.07 | EdibleText | runedude`, youll need smbfs as well |
| 19:32.18 | iains | chealer - yes. it seems to be this mouse problem... tjay's where it either crashes or loops back to logon |
| 19:32.19 | EdibleText | !find smbmount |
| 19:32.25 | runedude` | I have a bunch of shares on my network computer with XP, and how will I get to those? :) |
| 19:32.25 | serfurj | asg: i'm not on a debian system |
| 19:32.27 | pabl0 | OT, anyone have a 600m with Debian? |
| 19:32.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'smbmount' (5 shown; 41 total): (/usr/bin/smbmount) in otherosfs/smbfs ;; (/usr/share/samba/swat/help/smbmount.8.html) in net/swat ;; (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/smbmount.8.html) in doc/samba-doc ;; (/usr/share/locale/tr/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-tr ;; (/usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/konq_smbmounterplugin.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ja. |
| 19:32.28 | asg | Roadrunne: you're welcome |
| 19:32.29 | runedude` | thats what i mean |
| 19:32.30 | Xenguy | dav89: check out 'debian.org' and locate the installation instructions for 'network install' |
| 19:32.32 | tobehz | Newport: don't know then |
| 19:32.33 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: That's very good of them. I hope your spouse isn't in pain. |
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| 19:32.44 | tobehz | Newport: there HAS to be some sort of identifier string |
| 19:32.47 | dav89 | hat is network install? |
| 19:32.50 | dav89 | what* |
| 19:32.51 | chealer | iains: sorry, tjay? |
| 19:33.04 | Newport | theres got to be a mb ident somewhere |
| 19:33.07 | pipeline | runedude: modprobe smbfs |
| 19:33.17 | Thumann | hi.. anyone got debian installed on a MSI NEO2 mobo.. on a sata disk..? |
| 19:33.23 | runedude` | ok, pipeline, i did that, what now? :) |
| 19:33.23 | asg | serfurj: what are you looking for? |
| 19:33.34 | pipeline | runedude: "man mount" and read the section on smb. |
| 19:33.39 | iains | chealer : *ahem... sorry... that's where.... been a long day.. apologies... getting desperate with it here :) |
| 19:33.43 | pipeline | runedude: Then edit fstab appropriately |
| 19:33.47 | Xenguy | dav89: basically you download a 'base system' that gets you up and running, and then you 'apt-get' the rest of your install, all over the Net |
| 19:33.49 | serfurj | asg: just trying to download some packages |
| 19:33.55 | EdibleText | runedude`, smbmount //netbiosname/share /mount/point -o <options> |
| 19:33.59 | dav89 | xengury but with network install |
| 19:34.04 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: wish I hadn't mentioned it now, but actually she does get a lot of pain, this is long term illness probably, slow deterioration |
| 19:34.05 | pipeline | runedude: Alternatively, if you're using gnome, you can just open a nautilus window and type "smb://<server>/share" and get access immediately :P |
| 19:34.10 | EdibleText | runedude`, apt-get install smbfs |
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| 19:34.13 | serfurj | asg: maybe i should just download the cds |
| 19:34.15 | dav89 | i havent window X pre-configurated, have i? |
| 19:34.18 | EdibleText | youll need the smbount command |
| 19:34.20 | asg | serfurj: well, snapshot.debian.net will most likely have the current packages |
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| 19:34.27 | runedude` | okie:) |
| 19:34.28 | chealer | dav89: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 19:34.38 | Thumann | is there a way to create an install cd.. with a 2.6 kernel on.. instead of the 2.4.18bf kernel? |
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| 19:34.48 | asg | serfurj: at least for stable and testing. It may or may not have sid's most current packages (as of a few hours ago.) |
| 19:34.51 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: sorry, didn't mean to drag this into the channel, it's the tiredness talking, I'll shut up now |
| 19:34.52 | chealer | dav89: it's X Windows System, and it will configure it during the install |
| 19:34.54 | Roadrunne | asg: sorry, me again :-). just saw the mail was only the error-msg if i don't use 2>&1. do you know if it's possible to log and mail? |
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| 19:35.00 | tobehz | Thumann: just install with 2.4.18 and then upgrade |
| 19:35.04 | EdibleText | runedude`, smbclient -L <netbiosname> will list shares |
| 19:35.05 | dav89 | ok thanks |
| 19:35.12 | dav89 | what does it use? KDE? |
| 19:35.18 | tobehz | command line |
| 19:35.19 | Thumann | tobehz: can't do that... no support for my disk controller in 2.4... |
| 19:35.23 | Xenguy | dav89: (please prepend my [correct] nick before whatever you type -- there is too much traffic in here to track the conversation otherwise) |
| 19:35.23 | serfurj | asg: i'm using stable. thanks |
| 19:35.26 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: It's ok, it's life. My friend is recovering from breast cancer - her work paid for the operation to be done private (non-NHS), which is great. |
| 19:35.29 | chealer | dav89: X doesn't use KDE. KDE uses X |
| 19:35.38 | runedude` | EdibleText: says cannot find that text:) |
| 19:35.39 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: You know the NHS, don't you, you're originally British, right? |
| 19:35.44 | dav89 | and is there kde? |
| 19:35.51 | tobehz | Thumann: ;x |
| 19:35.54 | EdibleText | runedude`, what are you doing? |
| 19:36.02 | runedude` | EdibleText: cannot find command smbclient |
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| 19:36.16 | EdibleText | runedude`, did you install samba |
| 19:36.20 | tobehz | Thumann: try google maybe, im sure somebody has made a 2.6 install cd |
| 19:36.20 | runedude` | yes |
| 19:36.24 | runedude` | apt-get install samba:) |
| 19:36.25 | tobehz | Thumann: but maybe not. :x |
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| 19:36.41 | EdibleText | !find smbclient |
| 19:36.42 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'smbclient' (4 shown): libfilesys-smbclient-perl ;; libsmbclient ;; libsmbclient-dev ;; smbclient. |
| 19:36.50 | asg | Roadrunne: that I don't know. You can use /usr/bin/logger to log certain info to syslog and then let the cronjob mail you stderr output. |
| 19:36.50 | EdibleText | hmm |
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| 19:36.54 | dav89 | Xenguy listen to me. |
| 19:37.07 | dav89 | Xenguy there isn't any active mirror to download mini iso |
| 19:37.11 | EdibleText | runedude`, apt-get install smblcient |
| 19:37.13 | runedude` | ok |
| 19:37.18 | tobehz | dav89: sure there is |
| 19:37.28 | tobehz | i downloaded the netinst iso last night |
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| 19:37.36 | iains | chealer : it's this mouse... it keep looping the kde logon... should i delete them from the /dev folder? and if so, how do i do that? |
| 19:37.38 | dav89 | i get an error: unable to show the page etc. etc,! |
| 19:37.48 | tobehz | O_o |
| 19:37.55 | dav89 | tobehz can you tell me where you found it? |
| 19:37.59 | Xenguy | dav89: I think you need to read a little at this point |
| 19:38.07 | Roadrunne | asg: ok, doesn't matter. then i don't use mail. so i don't have to read it :-) thx. |
| 19:38.23 | lightbright | ianins: found this http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/kdm/kdm-files.html |
| 19:38.31 | runedude` | ok got it |
| 19:38.42 | tobehz | dav89: sec |
| 19:38.46 | runedude` | let's say I have this folder on my other computer, IP is 192.168.0.109, and its called "d" |
| 19:38.49 | Xenguy | jeez is anyone else having any problem connecting to 'debian.org' ? |
| 19:38.49 | asg | Roadrunne: you're welcome |
| 19:38.51 | runedude` | because It has all my files in it |
| 19:39.01 | Thumann | "Use the new debian-installer and type linux26 at the boot-install prompt. " <- what cd is he talking about.. |
| 19:39.04 | Thumann | anyone know? |
| 19:39.06 | runedude` | how do I mount it, to lets say, /mnt/mp3 |
| 19:39.20 | dav89 | tobehz where did you download the network install iso? |
| 19:39.20 | saloxin | Thumann: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 19:39.30 | Thumann | thnx |
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| 19:39.38 | chealer | iains: sorry there's too much flow, I lost you |
| 19:39.48 | tobehz | dav89: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:39.50 | EdibleText | runedude`, smbmount //192.168.0.109/d /path/to/mount/point -o <options>; options may include username and password etc... read the man page |
| 19:39.53 | tobehz | that has testing netinst releases |
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| 19:40.02 | runedude` | ok:) |
| 19:40.02 | tobehz | which will be fine |
| 19:40.03 | runedude` | thanks |
| 19:40.16 | dav89 | sarge isn't official relase |
| 19:40.24 | tobehz | that is the official netinst page |
| 19:40.39 | runedude` | yay , tnx:)) |
| 19:40.44 | tobehz | sarge is just a newer set of packages than woody |
| 19:41.02 | runedude` | one last thing |
| 19:41.07 | runedude` | whats a good mp3 player for Deb? |
| 19:41.14 | dav89 | thanks :* |
| 19:41.22 | dav89 | i'll try to install and use it!" |
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| 19:41.27 | dav89 | hope in god! |
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| 19:41.29 | dav89 | :D |
| 19:41.29 | asg | runedude`: I like mpd / mpc |
| 19:41.30 | Thumann | runedune: mpg123 |
| 19:41.31 | tobehz | dav89: if you want woody, use http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ |
| 19:41.35 | runedude` | ok, tnnx asg :) |
| 19:41.38 | chealer | runedude`: any particular DE? |
| 19:41.39 | EdibleText | runedude`, I didnt realize that smblcient was in its own package .. you may not even need samba.. that for serving up your own shares an more fun things |
| 19:41.43 | calmar | runedude`: beeb-media-player |
| 19:41.48 | calmar | s/eb/ep/ |
| 19:41.57 | runedude` | I want a playlist editor too :) |
| 19:41.57 | asg | runedude`: nothing fancy but a nice cli multi-format player / daemon |
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| 19:42.18 | runedude` | i just want to import like a list of like 1gb of mp3s so i can play them |
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| 19:42.25 | useruser | i have some .avi files which I got from a DV camcorder some time ago in windows. mplayer, kino and xmovie won't play them. any ideas for what else I could try? |
| 19:42.26 | tobehz | runedude`: rhythmbox would work |
| 19:42.29 | runedude` | ok |
| 19:42.32 | tobehz | or xmms |
| 19:42.43 | brownmage | what happened with nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:42.54 | brownmage | and how do I install nvidia drivers now |
| 19:43.18 | valdyn | brownmage: get that from sid |
| 19:43.18 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: was away, yes, I'm from South Wales, moved to the US in '85, yes I know the NHS |
| 19:43.22 | calmar | gnome has also it's music player. dunno the name anymore. |
| 19:43.26 | runedude` | oh, will Rhythm box run in KDE too? |
| 19:43.28 | saloxin | brownmage: apt-cache search nvidia - there is some instller thingie |
| 19:43.33 | chealer | !tell brownmage about nvidia |
| 19:43.45 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.00 | Xenguy | I'll rephrase my Q: can anyone connect to debian.org right now? |
| 19:44.01 | chealer | runedude`: yes, but you'd better use amarok for KDE IMHO |
| 19:44.05 | karsten | I'm trying to characterize SuSE, Gentoo, Ubuntu. And yes I realize this is a Debian channel. |
| 19:44.08 | chealer | Xenguy: add www. |
| 19:44.14 | Thumann | Xenguy: http` |
| 19:44.16 | Thumann | ? |
| 19:44.26 | abydos | woohoo, 4 hours on the fellowship extended dvd disk 1 |
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| 19:44.32 | abydos | on the transcode process |
| 19:44.33 | asg | karsten: I'd characterize all the linux distros + the BSDs as == 'Unix killers' |
| 19:44.35 | Xenguy | chealer: that worked(?!) |
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| 19:44.52 | asg | karsten: or, at least, 'Commercial Unix Killers' |
| 19:44.55 | EdibleText | karsten, debian is non comercial and takes a very conservative approach |
| 19:44.57 | abydos | asg: but if BSDs are unix killers, aren't they commiting suicide? |
| 19:45.00 | Thumann | Xenguy: they don't have a * dns reg... |
| 19:45.05 | chealer | Xenguy: there are so servers problems or maintainances currently...maybe that's why |
| 19:45.06 | asg | abydos: see my addendum above |
| 19:45.12 | abydos | asg: hehe |
| 19:45.18 | Xenguy | chealer: OK, tx |
| 19:45.26 | Xenguy | Thumann: tx |
| 19:45.28 | ayuda | debian en español ???? |
| 19:45.32 | asg | !spanish |
| 19:45.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:45.34 | asg | abydos: ^^^ |
| 19:45.39 | Thumann | ayuda: .. el diablo? |
| 19:45.47 | karsten | asg: Well... It's a bit more complicated than that. The philosophy of the distro affects what it does, how it's maintained. Eg: what comes to mind when you think Slack, Mandrake, Turbo, Connectiva, Knoppix. Don't they all have roles in your head? |
| 19:45.54 | abydos | karsten: ubuntu is a mildly power-user desktop-based distribution based on debian |
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| 19:46.14 | valdyn | !gentoosmite abydos |
| 19:46.30 | ayuda | Está hablando ahora a #<debian-es |
| 19:46.30 | ayuda | --- zelazny.freenode.net establece modo +n #<debian-es |
| 19:46.32 | asg | karsten: oh, you are being more specific than I was thinking. |
| 19:46.33 | karsten | abydos: Yeah, I see Ubuntu as a cut above Lindows/Linspire, which strikes me as AOL-of-Linux. |
| 19:46.38 | karsten | asg: Quite. |
| 19:46.55 | abydos | karsten: ubuntu uses the same old text-based installer currently used by sarge |
| 19:46.55 | asg | karsten: my apologies |
| 19:47.14 | abydos | valdyn: heh, awesome feature, but I'm not a gentoohead anymore |
| 19:47.14 | ayuda | no aparece /join# <debian-es> |
| 19:47.15 | valdyn | karsten: theres not much difference at all between debian and ubuntu |
| 19:47.26 | ayuda | no aparece /join # <debian-es> |
| 19:47.29 | asg | abydos: try /join #debian-es |
| 19:47.33 | per02 | ayuda: /join #debian-es |
| 19:47.46 | karsten | valdyn: Um. Yeah there is. Ubuntu is committed to release cycle, Debian is committed to quality. |
| 19:47.58 | abydos | yeah, what's yer point? |
| 19:47.59 | karsten | valdyn: ubuntu sacrifices platforms and packages to schedule. |
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| 19:48.06 | ayuda | gracias |
| 19:48.08 | ayuda | gracias |
| 19:48.09 | karsten | abydos: Interesting. |
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| 19:48.13 | ayuda | tankĦ's |
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| 19:48.46 | calmar | why would someone run 'suse' when there is debian around (theoretically I should ask in #suse, but I won't)? |
| 19:48.51 | paulswm | karsten: never used a Linux distro outside of debian, was originally drawn to it because of Ian's philosphy, has the only 'stable' Linux distro that would pass corporate-type QA testing |
| 19:48.54 | EdibleText | karsten, http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 19:48.54 | brownmage | I have problems installing nvidia when I didn't a couple of days ago, from what I can understant, the nvidia-kernel-source package that module-assistant needs is no longer available |
| 19:48.58 | valdyn | karsten: a "release" is just semantics, debian people use sarge for practical reasons too |
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| 19:49.01 | per02 | does anyone uses a kvm around here? |
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| 19:49.08 | karsten | EdibleText: No shit. |
| 19:49.11 | per02 | i'm having problems with my mouse and gnome |
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| 19:49.13 | per02 | :/ |
| 19:49.17 | asg | karsten: then I'd characterize Debian, Slack and, to some extent, Gentoo as general purpose systems that could be used to build more focused systems (whether in the server / desktop / or specialized devices realm.) |
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| 19:49.20 | abydos | calmar: because suse is "simple" which can be read "fucked up by virtue of the rpm package manager" |
| 19:49.21 | El_Sinior_NoNo | hello |
| 19:49.25 | karsten | valdyn: A release *isn't* symantic in a server or production environment. |
| 19:49.25 | EdibleText | karsten, you're the one asking.. |
| 19:49.36 | karsten | asg: Fair, though there's more to it than that. |
| 19:49.44 | El_Sinior_NoNo | can ne1 help me to set up gtk on debian please ? |
| 19:49.47 | karsten | EdibleText: Just FYI: I'm pretty solid on what I think Debian ins. |
| 19:49.57 | karsten | El_Sinior_NoNo: man aptitude. |
| 19:50.04 | asg | karsten: yes, I'm hoping we can narrow the answer down through a dialectic process (if everyone joins in) |
| 19:50.06 | karsten | El_Sinior_NoNo: What are you installing it for. |
| 19:50.11 | karsten | asg: Dig. |
| 19:50.22 | El_Sinior_NoNo | for XFCE |
| 19:50.24 | Roadrunne | asg: cool, now it works... -> /var/x/x.sh 2>&1 |tee -a /var/log/x.log | mail -s "subj" user@host.com |
| 19:50.32 | asg | Roadrunne: nice |
| 19:50.33 | calmar | abydos: aha, it's *even* simpler ? Well,ok. |
| 19:50.37 | El_Sinior_NoNo | XFCE 4.2 |
| 19:50.49 | karsten | asg: Mandrake: originally designed as an easier-to-use, friendlier Red Hat, somewhat hindered by ongoing corporate / financial issues. Connectiva: Brazillian language localization + apt + RPM. |
| 19:50.50 | brownmage | I was wondering if anyone knows what happened to the nvidia-kernel-source package and why I can't get it anymore? |
| 19:51.06 | Roadrunne | asg: so, now i'm gone for a tee/tea :-) bye... |
| 19:51.09 | abydos | calmar: even simpler, no. More prone to dependency fuckups and unable to reliably fetch software without user intervention, yes |
| 19:51.14 | karsten | El_Sinior_NoNo: If you install xfce, it will install the support it needs. If it's not installing, detail the errors. |
| 19:51.14 | asg | Roadrunne: have a cuppa for me then |
| 19:51.19 | karsten | !tell El_Sinior_NoNo about smart questions. |
| 19:51.21 | Roadrunne | asg: :-) |
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| 19:51.46 | calmar | abydos: in order words, there are no good reason, I guess. |
| 19:51.49 | asg | karsten: Mandrake also has a more open community process if I remember correctly. |
| 19:51.54 | EdibleText | karsten, you asked for a charactization. The the social contract sums it up |
| 19:52.01 | karsten | asg: TurboLinux => Pacific Hi Tech => Japanese localization. Knoppix => bootable, live demo system with wicked cool hardware detection, Debian-based. |
| 19:52.06 | EdibleText | im done |
| 19:52.22 | karsten | EdibleText: Yeah, I agree, I'm a bit more interested in buttonholing the other distros. SuSE and FC specifically. |
| 19:52.27 | asg | karsten: those sound reasonable |
| 19:52.35 | karsten | asg: SuSE? |
| 19:53.03 | asg | karsten: I'd call it similar to Mandrake with a German localization and initially better hardware detection. |
| 19:53.14 | asg | karsten: though of course it's older than Mandrake |
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| 19:53.35 | El_Sinior_NoNo | what is atk ? |
| 19:53.59 | Covener | El_Sinior_NoNo: accessability toolkit I believe |
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| 19:54.19 | Xemacs_ | why does perldoc package have no info file, or separate info pack for perl ? |
| 19:54.33 | karsten | asg: SuSE also does some proprietary stuff, has YAST (previously proprietary), really good PPC support (specifically zSeries VMs), and some tight bonds with IBM. |
| 19:54.50 | mik1 | doesn anyone know if there are other mirrors beside alioth.debian.org for amd64? |
| 19:55.23 | karsten | mik1: In general? See mirrors.debian.org. Most mirrors _are_ fairly comprehensive. |
| 19:55.41 | Xenguy | dav89: here's a useful URL for future reference: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/ |
| 19:56.26 | dav89 | thanks |
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| 19:57.08 | quittt | how do edit Debian menu? |
| 19:57.17 | karsten | quittt: Which menu? |
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| 19:57.36 | quittt | Debian menu |
| 19:57.54 | Xenguy | :p |
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| 19:58.02 | AMDUser | Does anybody know how to install the NVIDIA-Driver? I evertime get the alert: Unable to determine NVIDIA kernel module filename |
| 19:58.06 | mik1 | karsten: I would like to install amd64 via netinst and since alioth.debian.org is down I thought there should be other mirrors I could use to install amd64. |
| 19:58.15 | empop | anyone know the reason gluck, alioth, etc are down right now? |
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| 19:58.26 | karsten | quittt: read under /usr/share/doc/menu/ |
| 19:58.48 | Xenguy | empop: someone mentioned there was some maintenance going on(?) |
| 19:58.49 | karsten | quittt: *WHICH* fucking Debian menu? Your (unspecified) windowmanager menus? |
| 19:58.54 | chealer | !tell AMDUser about nvidia |
| 19:58.58 | karsten | !tell mik1 about smart questions |
| 19:59.03 | chealer | AMDUser: which method did you use& |
| 19:59.09 | paulswm | Xemacs_: I like man2html and info2www, everything's nicely bundled into the one html interface, and it's certainly easier to get around the perl documentation |
| 19:59.17 | karsten | !tell mik1 about esp |
| 19:59.29 | chealer | karsten: there is a common debian menu in gnome and kde |
| 19:59.32 | asg | karsten: right, they have tight bonds with IBM though RedHat does also. |
| 19:59.35 | karsten | mik1: Try to be a bit more forthcoming. I realize English isn't your first language. |
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| 19:59.48 | quittt | karsten, the FUCKING menu that adds applications when you install apps! |
| 20:00.03 | Xenguy | bye |
| 20:00.05 | karsten | asg: RH & IBM have had a weird, schizoid relation. Novell & IBM are way tight. |
| 20:00.26 | karsten | quittt: That's what I suspected, but, well, that's sort of guessing, now isn't it. |
| 20:00.38 | asg | karsten: true, though, at least for the time being, IBM does support RH on there servers. |
| 20:00.42 | quittt | karsten, is there a app to edit that? |
| 20:00.45 | karsten | asg: Right. |
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| 20:01.05 | karsten | quittt: less /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz |
| 20:01.09 | chealer | quittt: I think you can use the KDE menu editor |
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| 20:01.22 | karsten | quittt: Specifically section 6 |
| 20:01.31 | empop | Xenguy: thx for the info, tis a shame tho...I was hoping to play around this weekend with some backporting and I use packages.d.o to help with that |
| 20:01.32 | karsten | mik1: less /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz |
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| 20:02.41 | Xenguy | empop: I have no details whatsoever; it was just something someone here mentioned when I could not connect to 'debian.org', but could get to 'www.debian.org' |
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| 20:03.05 | CXDoctor | yey. im starting to install debian |
| 20:03.26 | Xenguy | :-D |
| 20:03.27 | Twitching_Fool | and in ~5 minutes youll be done :> |
| 20:03.51 | CXDoctor | k. Im usually a fedora core guy but core 3 froze on boot and that wasnt tolerated |
| 20:03.57 | Borgon | asg, ibm only supports rh because they are smart and need to have atleast half a foot in the nix opensrc market, since rh is a big player they gotta keep it cool |
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| 20:04.38 | paulswm | !beer CXDoctor for switching to debian |
| 20:04.44 | asg | Borgon: yes, though the RH + Novell + IBM powerplay will likely take all parties further if infighting doesn't kill them first. |
| 20:04.48 | karsten | asg: The other thing commercial distros offer is ISV certification for proprietary software apps. |
| 20:04.51 | CXDoctor | oh thanx |
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| 20:05.12 | asg | karsten: agreed |
| 20:05.28 | CXDoctor | hey the partitioner shows LVM as default for hda2.. I never heard of this filesystem is it good? |
| 20:05.36 | Buuyo^ | lvm isn't a filesystem |
| 20:05.37 | brownmage | I am having trouble installing nvidia drivers using module-assistant which seems to be because the nvidia-kernel-source package is no longer available, any suggestions |
| 20:05.44 | jethro | !lvm |
| 20:05.44 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 20:05.45 | paulswm | CXDoctor: LVM is logical volume manager |
| 20:05.56 | CXDoctor | oooh |
| 20:06.00 | asg | !literal beer |
| 20:06.00 | dpkg | beer is liquid gold mate |
| 20:06.07 | asg | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 20:06.07 | dpkg | CMD: beer (.*?) is ($1): <action> (blesses $1 with a Yuengling Lager|cracks open a can of Boddington's for $1|pours a thick, black pint of Guinness for $1, to be sure|deftly decants a fine La Maudite for $1) |
| 20:06.10 | asg | Xenguy: ^^^ |
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| 20:06.32 | Xenguy | asg: good ;-) |
| 20:06.33 | paulswm | CXDoctor: I use it, very good for me as I am always moving stuff around |
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| 20:06.52 | speakman | Hi folks ! :D |
| 20:07.00 | asg | Xenguy: dpkg's RNG seems to be stuck, don is probably doing something funky in the lab |
| 20:07.18 | CXDoctor | so lvm is like a metafilesystem |
| 20:07.18 | Xenguy | nod |
| 20:07.46 | speakman | Can anyone answer this: I've set g+s on an directory. Now I want it to be set chmod 775 automaticly when creating dirs within that map. Is this possible?? |
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| 20:08.22 | speakman | It's automaticly setting 755 btw... |
| 20:08.29 | asg | speakman: set your umask |
| 20:08.35 | paulswm | CXDoctor: take a gander at this to get a feel for it: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/LVM-HOWTO.html |
| 20:08.39 | asg | speakman: to 002 |
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| 20:09.18 | speakman | asg: oh, if I set it in /etc/profile it will go default to all users? |
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| 20:09.31 | asg | speakman: unless the user's override it themselves. |
| 20:09.32 | smace | do you know how to minime X-Chat to trayicon? |
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| 20:09.36 | asg | s/user's/users/ |
| 20:09.42 | asg | !apostrophesmite asg |
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| 20:09.48 | speakman | can I set umask to only a specified dir ?' |
| 20:09.59 | asg | speakman: no |
| 20:10.03 | smace | do you know how to minime X-Chat IRC Client to Trayicon? |
| 20:10.27 | speakman | asg: ok... btw, whats the diffences with +S and +s ? and when it's set on User resp. Group? |
| 20:10.35 | asg | speakman: at least, not without hacking mkdir or libc6 to look for a localized mapping |
| 20:10.38 | smace | do you know how to minime X-Chat IRC Client to Trayicon? |
| 20:10.47 | asg | speakman: +S means no 'x' is set, +s means 'x' is set |
| 20:10.49 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 20:11.02 | smace | do you know how to minime X-Chat IRC Client to Trayicon? |
| 20:11.07 | speakman | asg: I was more thinking I've missed a basic command or something :) |
| 20:11.09 | brownmage | I am having trouble installing nvidia drivers using module-assistant which seems to be because the nvidia-kernel-source package is no longer available, any suggestions |
| 20:11.13 | speakman | asg: so it's only for reading |
| 20:11.14 | speakman | `? |
| 20:11.16 | smace | can you suggest me a better irc client? |
| 20:11.20 | paulswm | smace: same way as you minimize anything else |
| 20:11.24 | pingouin | smace: irssi |
| 20:11.29 | smace | irssi? |
| 20:11.29 | Twitching_Fool | smace: not only is that not really a debian question, dont repeat. i vote irssi too |
| 20:11.36 | smace | ok |
| 20:11.42 | asg | speakman: no, making a directory setgid makes all things created within it retain group ownership. |
| 20:11.57 | smace | what does irssi mean? |
| 20:12.01 | paulswm | I didn't like irssi, maybe because I only spent 4 hours or so messing with it |
| 20:12.05 | Twitching_Fool | smace: rssi.org |
| 20:12.11 | jethro | smace: it's an irc client |
| 20:12.13 | Twitching_Fool | smace: irssi.org* sorry |
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| 20:12.16 | smace | nice. |
| 20:12.20 | smace | does apt-get works for it? |
| 20:12.27 | paulswm | smace: yes |
| 20:12.28 | speakman | asg: ok, I think I get it.. what about another place than /etc/profile for setting it globaly? |
| 20:12.29 | asg | speakman: -rwxrwS--- is 2750, -rwxrws--- is 2770 |
| 20:12.36 | Twitching_Fool | paulswm: mmmm, i probably wouldnt like it either, if it werent for the quickstart guide :> |
| 20:12.43 | jethro | smace: apt-get install irssi-text, I suggest you read the FAQ as welll |
| 20:12.48 | speakman | asg: OH! Ofcourse! thanks of that one! :D |
| 20:13.01 | smace | jethro: nice! thank you all |
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| 20:13.25 | smace | i came here because i'm using debian. and i thought you did know good software for debian |
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| 20:13.50 | asg | speakman: pam_env.so (and /etc/environment) can also be used to set globals |
| 20:13.51 | speakman | smace: apt-get install irssi-text |
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| 20:14.03 | speakman | asg: oh, great! Will take a look at that! |
| 20:14.13 | speakman | asg: thanks for taking your time with me! Cya! :) |
| 20:14.17 | asg | speakman: you're welcome |
| 20:14.38 | paulswm | Twitching_Fool: I couldn't figure out how to get the nicks in a column or how to multicolor the nicks, but perhaps it was because I was running it like this: XP Putty -> ssh ->http proxy -> remote box running irssi |
| 20:14.39 | smace | thank you speakman |
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| 20:17.44 | paulswm | dammit, it's so hard to come up with a good domain name |
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| 20:18.06 | asg | paulswm: thehedgehogcantbebuggeredatall.com ? |
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| 20:18.28 | quittt | how do I turn agpgart off? |
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| 20:19.07 | paulswm | asg: Hah, you prolly think I don't know that one: "The sexual life of the camel / Is stranger than anyone thinks..." |
| 20:19.19 | pingouin | quittt: unload the module ? |
| 20:19.24 | quittt | yeah |
| 20:19.24 | asg | paulswm: I've always been a huge pterry fan |
| 20:19.27 | CXDoctor | will the debian distro give me xorg or XFree86? |
| 20:19.32 | quittt | and make it dont load in the boot |
| 20:19.35 | quittt | XFree86 |
| 20:19.37 | jethro | CXDoctor: xfree |
| 20:19.39 | CXDoctor | hmm |
| 20:19.50 | CXDoctor | I have an xorg config script for getting my 3 monitors working |
| 20:19.54 | CXDoctor | has it changed much? |
| 20:19.59 | quittt | CXDoctor, but you can install it |
| 20:20.01 | quittt | if you want to |
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| 20:20.20 | paulswm | asg: sheepinstockings.org |
| 20:20.21 | CXDoctor | yah I might need to. I gotta see if the xorg format is different than XFree |
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| 20:20.32 | quittt | pingouin, do you knwo how? |
| 20:20.39 | paulswm | ovineaviation.org |
| 20:20.48 | asg | paulswm: or sheepinstockings.nz perhaps |
| 20:21.08 | paulswm | asg: heh, or .au |
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| 20:21.29 | asg | paulswm: you have bob2 to condend with then |
| 20:21.34 | paulswm | asg: or whatever Scotland may be |
| 20:21.58 | pingouin | quittt: i think - not sure - that /etc/modules list the modules that have to be load at boot |
| 20:22.02 | caphuso | i /ignored him when he hit end of july |
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| 20:22.15 | asg | caphuso: who bob? |
| 20:22.22 | paulswm | asg: Billy Connolly says to take them to the edge of a cliff because they push back better |
| 20:22.26 | quittt | pingouin, it is there thanks =D |
| 20:22.27 | caphuso | asg: wrong channel |
| 20:22.29 | asg | caphuso: :) |
| 20:22.51 | asg | paulswm: Love billy, or is it billy goat love ? |
| 20:22.53 | pingouin | quittt: or in root user use modconf and remove the module, i think modconf update itselft the rights files |
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| 20:23.48 | pingouin | (no one yell after i've just said...should be something right ) |
| 20:23.59 | asg | paulswm: speaking of BC, you could do 'jobbieweekerwidgets.com' |
| 20:24.03 | paulswm | asg: funny |
| 20:24.16 | CXDoctor | yey. debian is installed |
| 20:24.26 | paulswm | asg: what a funny monologue that was |
| 20:24.39 | asg | paulswm: yes, haven't heard it in years but it was a good one. |
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| 20:25.22 | paulswm | asg: indestructible jobbies in British Rail trains figured into it as well |
| 20:25.29 | asg | paulswm: hehe |
| 20:25.40 | Azar | good morning caphuso, you have not sleep all night I see |
| 20:25.53 | paulswm | !win CXDoctor |
| 20:25.53 | FieldySnuts | Azar: and since when is that any of your business |
| 20:25.53 | caphuso | it's 21:25 in my timezone |
| 20:25.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, CXDoctor! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
| 20:26.02 | pingouin | salvation army request : no one run an apache server, and let me read online few logs, i want to tried stuff with privoxy |
| 20:26.13 | Azar | oh I see |
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| 20:26.24 | Azar | FieldySnuts, I am sorry if I offended your feelings |
| 20:26.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Azar |
| 20:26.40 | paulswm | yay FieldySnuts |
| 20:26.48 | Azar | :) |
| 20:27.41 | paulswm | CXDoctor: that went pretty smoothly, then. Or quickly, at least |
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| 20:28.41 | CXDoctor | paulswm: actually I though I was done.. im installing the packages off the cd now |
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| 20:28.53 | CXDoctor | it technically already is installed though |
| 20:29.24 | paulswm | CXDoctor: great, welcome, hopefully you will never have to return to the Dark Side, heh |
| 20:29.28 | HeMan | how could i ask dpkg what version a package has in sid or in sarge? |
| 20:29.36 | HeMan | i just installed pimd in sarge and i didn't even contain a runnable binary... |
| 20:29.39 | asg | HeMan: /msg dpkg info <pkg> sid |
| 20:29.43 | asg | HeMan: /msg dpkg info <pkg> sarge |
| 20:29.57 | pipeline | CXDoctor: Of course, if you do return to whatever hellhole you came from ("the dark side" ?) you'll end up on Debian again. This is an article of faith: All roads, sooner or later, lead to Debian. |
| 20:29.58 | HeMan | asg: ah, thanks! |
| 20:30.03 | asg | HeMan: you're welcome |
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| 20:30.10 | tobehz | haha |
| 20:30.22 | Azar | ok my first part of experience of installing Debian, upgrading the kernel, getting XFree86 and upgrading the nvidia driver are done, but I am getting some errors at bootup from modprobe showing me that soe modules (QM_MODULES) are not implemented: uskbd, usb-uhci, keybdev,agpart, mousedev, via82cxxx_audio so what could have been wrong there? |
| 20:30.30 | MagusXI | what is the command for gstreamer to update my plugins so i can have alsa support in gnome? |
| 20:30.33 | asg | pipeline: or to some poor Windows system that is begging to have Debian installed on it. |
| 20:30.37 | harryvv | Trying to find a compile issue. I was asked by some instructions to make sure the headers, kernel source and kernel image are of the same version. I know the kernel source is the same as the running version but dont know about the headers. Where would those be located? |
| 20:30.40 | CXDoctor | what is the 'conventional unix server' package? |
| 20:30.44 | Xenguy | pipeline: and it is *debian* that is the Dark Side ;-) |
| 20:30.47 | CXDoctor | is that ssh? |
| 20:30.52 | saloxin | Azar: what kernel are you running? |
| 20:30.54 | FieldySnuts | that question made no sense |
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| 20:31.06 | Azar | saloxin, I just upgraded to 2.6.10 last night |
| 20:31.15 | Azar | and it works ok |
| 20:31.27 | Azar | just these minor modules warnings |
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| 20:31.29 | tobehz | Xenguy: blasphemy |
| 20:31.30 | Fluten | i run some headless machines on debian, and sometimes they will get shut down inproperly and want to do fsck, making me plug a monitor into them |
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| 20:31.35 | asg | Azar: are you using woody? |
| 20:31.38 | Fluten | is there a way to disable this, so it never prompts me on bootup/ |
| 20:31.42 | Azar | asg, correct |
| 20:31.48 | asg | Azar: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 20:31.50 | paulswm | CXDoctor: those choices are collections of packages, not individual packages, to make quick setups based on expected usage simpler |
| 20:31.51 | asg | !qm_modules |
| 20:31.52 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 20:31.56 | tobehz | fluten: why wouldn't you want to fsck? |
| 20:31.59 | abrotman | Fluten: that would be bad |
| 20:32.01 | saloxin | Azar: might be you included them directly in kernel, while kenrel autoloader still lookin for modules. just ignore I htnk |
| 20:32.07 | Xenguy | tobehz: all *nix is a 'black art' =) |
| 20:32.09 | Azar | asg, thank you I thought I might need adrian bunk's patch |
| 20:32.19 | abrotman | it's not a .. "patch' |
| 20:32.20 | Fluten | abrotman, sometimes it asks me to type in a root password |
| 20:32.21 | asg | Azar: well, it's the backported packages as well |
| 20:32.36 | tobehz | Xenguy: pfft |
| 20:32.47 | abrotman | Fluten: yes ... then use an FS that doesn't care |
| 20:32.48 | Azar | :) asg, saloxin thanks :) |
| 20:33.08 | Xenguy | tobehz: 'daemons' and everything =) |
| 20:33.10 | Azar | install module-init-tools did not work |
| 20:33.12 | tobehz | heh |
| 20:33.12 | MagusXI | what is command to update plugins for gstreamer preferances in gnome? |
| 20:33.13 | Azar | last night |
| 20:33.17 | Fluten | abrotman, or is there a way to tell it to fsck, but not prompt me asking for anything? |
| 20:33.28 | abrotman | Fluten: not that i'm aware of |
| 20:33.36 | paulswm | CXDoctor: you can select from there, or do a minimal installation and install individual packages later, or slect from there and remove waht you don't want later. Hope that makes sense |
| 20:33.43 | abrotman | !beer Xenguy |
| 20:33.46 | MagusXI | is it gst-0.8-update? |
| 20:33.46 | asg | Xenguy: better to stay at home and have one |
| 20:34.08 | paulswm | CXDoctor: debian is always highly configurable like that and installing/removing pakcages is a breeze |
| 20:34.08 | Xenguy | abrotman: excellent (a 'dark' pint too ;-) |
| 20:34.27 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 20:35.01 | asg | abrotman: finally beat this d600 into shape. |
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| 20:35.05 | sussudio | !bear abrotman |
| 20:35.11 | asg | sussudio: hah |
| 20:35.12 | Azar | :D |
| 20:35.25 | Xemacs_ | eek drunk geeks, there must be a better place to hangout |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:35.41 | asg | Xemacs_: the pub? |
| 20:35.41 | CXDoctor | drunk geeks are ok |
| 20:35.45 | abrotman | asg: too long .. get an IBM :) |
| 20:35.55 | asg | abrotman: I had one, they saw fit to replace it. |
| 20:35.57 | Twitching_Fool | Xemacs_: could be worse, could be drunk easy geeks :/ |
| 20:36.01 | harryvv | anyone here care to help me with a version issue? |
| 20:36.21 | asg | paulswm: 29F / sleet + freezing rain + snow |
| 20:36.27 | paulswm | abrotman: already gone, it's cloudy :( |
| 20:36.38 | abrotman | paulswm: but you've got warmth! |
| 20:36.49 | paulswm | asg: that really sucks, but at least it's a good excuse to stay in and mess with computers |
| 20:37.20 | asg | paulswm: well, I'm able to drive in it, it's everyone else. |
| 20:37.24 | paulswm | abrotman: that's very nice of you to say so, I like to think of myself as a warm and friendly person |
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| 20:37.39 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:37.45 | abrotman | asg: i guess we're getting your snow shortly |
| 20:37.51 | asg | paulswm: went out this morning to buy beer before the shops closed and was almost hit by 2 SUVs |
| 20:37.54 | MagusXI | help please, what is gstreamer command to update plugins? |
| 20:38.03 | asg | abrotman: looks like it |
| 20:38.05 | abrotman | MagusXI: irc.gnome.org |
| 20:38.06 | MagusXI | im using debian unstable |
| 20:38.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate MagusXI |
| 20:38.11 | ravenbird | !irritate MagusXI |
| 20:38.12 | dpkg | MagusXI: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 20:38.13 | MagusXI | oh |
| 20:38.15 | CXDoctor | you have to have drunk geeks to get windows |
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| 20:38.34 | MagusXI | no need to be rude thought debin irc was for help |
| 20:38.35 | paulswm | asg: you should see some of the dirvers here, you know, them furriners |
| 20:38.41 | asg | paulswm: eeek |
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| 20:39.33 | paulswm | asg: and reading maps while they drive on the unfamiliar side of the road |
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| 20:39.45 | christor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:40.29 | asg | paulswm: nothing better than the 'sausage biscuit in one hand, phone in the other' crowd I see on my way to work every day. |
| 20:40.32 | TTimo | lo peeps .. since packages is down .. nyone can tell me which woody package has pod2man ? |
| 20:40.46 | asg | christor: #xfree86 perhaps (or here if you wish.) |
| 20:40.51 | paulswm | asg: mmmmm, sausage biscuit |
| 20:41.10 | asg | paulswm: I'm going to make them for tea here in a bit; I'm feeling a bit peckish. |
| 20:41.17 | Xemacs_ | I have seen videos of a woman changing a diaper, while driving down the street |
| 20:41.26 | FieldySnuts | we really didnt need to know that |
| 20:41.38 | paulswm | asg: can't decide whether to cook pizza or fish 'n' chips for tonight |
| 20:41.47 | sussudio | !bear FieldySnuts |
| 20:41.48 | Xemacs_ | well they were talking about stupid people tricks |
| 20:41.49 | paulswm | asg: and mushy peas |
| 20:41.59 | asg | paulswm: mmmmm, pie and peas. |
| 20:42.08 | sussudio | sprouts. |
| 20:42.17 | paulswm | I wish I could get steak and kidney pies here |
| 20:42.42 | FieldySnuts | kidney pie? sounds kinda nasty |
| 20:42.47 | asg | paulswm: or a decent pork pie + hp. |
| 20:43.00 | FieldySnuts | @yorkshiresmite paulswm |
| 20:43.01 | sussudio | in LSD-induced trip, steak and kidney pies get you |
| 20:43.02 | paulswm | asg: HP here, but no pork pies |
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| 20:43.16 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 20:43.23 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:43.35 | FieldySnuts | i thought dpkg had it, not sure |
| 20:43.39 | asg | paulswm: yeah |
| 20:43.46 | sussudio | !yorkshiresmite FieldySnuts |
| 20:43.56 | FieldySnuts | see |
| 20:44.07 | asg | TTimo: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search pod2man |
| 20:44.25 | paulswm | asg: got my KY spouse to eat black pudding a while back and she loved it, then she asked what was in it and I made the mistake of telling her |
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| 20:44.28 | FieldySnuts | not sure who bnp is, but I don't want his member across my face |
| 20:44.33 | TTimo | asg, thanks |
| 20:44.42 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: it's like the republican party, except less harmful |
| 20:44.45 | asg | paulswm: ouch, always better to keep those things a secret :) |
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| 20:44.57 | quittt | I cant install NVIDIA driver anyway! |
| 20:44.58 | FieldySnuts | isn't black pudding ground up guts of something |
| 20:45.04 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: blood |
| 20:45.05 | FieldySnuts | quittt: tell nvidia |
| 20:45.06 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, blood |
| 20:45.07 | TTimo | says it's in perl |
| 20:45.09 | TTimo | perl is installed |
| 20:45.10 | FieldySnuts | oh? from what? |
| 20:45.12 | TTimo | and no pod2man |
| 20:45.14 | EdibleText | pig |
| 20:45.17 | TTimo | gotta love it |
| 20:45.25 | christor | asg: thx , I can ask my question here , it s true, I use the xdm with wmaker and when i try to logout using ctrl+alt+del , my X doesn t respawn. |
| 20:45.31 | quittt | nobody here knows?? |
| 20:45.31 | FieldySnuts | creepy pagan euros |
| 20:45.36 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: lamb's kidneys taste great, especially grilled with bacon rashers wrapped around them |
| 20:45.38 | sussudio | !berserker |
| 20:45.42 | christor | my X doesn t respawn all the times |
| 20:45.45 | asg | christor: anything in .xsession-errors? |
| 20:45.47 | sussudio | kinda like that |
| 20:45.48 | FieldySnuts | quittt: if you actually asked a question we could understand, we might |
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| 20:46.00 | quittt | FieldySnuts, I cant install NVIDIA |
| 20:46.09 | FieldySnuts | like I said, ask a real question. bbl |
| 20:46.34 | asg | paulswm: ohhh, stop the presses, mrs. asg is making Banana Bread. |
| 20:46.40 | DarkHound | join the club quittt |
| 20:46.45 | simonrvn | yummay |
| 20:46.46 | sussudio | ring ring bananabread? |
| 20:46.52 | FieldySnuts | badgerbread? |
| 20:46.56 | christor | asg in the xdm logs I have display:0 cant be started , session disabled |
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| 20:47.13 | christor | asg: I m going to look the xsession-error |
| 20:47.16 | asg | christor: okay |
| 20:47.17 | EdibleText | organs meats are teh new hotness |
| 20:47.36 | sussudio | hurray for botulism |
| 20:47.43 | FieldySnuts | exactly |
| 20:47.44 | runedude` | guys |
| 20:47.49 | thingfish | kidneys are good |
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| 20:47.53 | FieldySnuts | girls |
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| 20:48.00 | EdibleText | lungs ans brains are good |
| 20:48.00 | sussudio | superstar DJs |
| 20:48.02 | runedude` | Is there any way to upgrade debian to the latest version without having to make another CD? |
| 20:48.07 | asg | FieldySnuts: some of the girls are also guys |
| 20:48.09 | EdibleText | dont forget hearts |
| 20:48.14 | FieldySnuts | asg: others are FBI agents |
| 20:48.18 | paulswm | hahahaha |
| 20:48.19 | sussudio | girls who are boys who like girls to be boys |
| 20:48.21 | thingfish | liver is good too, if you don't overcook it. |
| 20:48.22 | asg | FieldySnuts: right |
| 20:48.34 | simonrvn | EdibleText: brains are good if you don't mind the CJB |
| 20:48.36 | paulswm | mmmmm, liver and onions |
| 20:48.40 | EdibleText | thingfish, yes. |
| 20:48.46 | FieldySnuts | @win simonrvn |
| 20:48.48 | ravenbird | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:48.55 | EdibleText | simonrvn, thats human brains. |
| 20:48.59 | risky | What can be causing this? |
| 20:49.01 | risky | root@4[apt]# modprobe i830 |
| 20:49.03 | risky | /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i830.o: init_module: Cannot allocate memory |
| 20:49.07 | risky | Not sure if my last msg got thru... got disconnected, so I'm gonna try again |
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| 20:49.13 | risky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.13 | FieldySnuts | keep flooding |
| 20:49.15 | risky | root@4[apt]# modprobe i830 |
| 20:49.17 | risky | /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i830.o: init_module: Cannot allocate memory |
| 20:49.18 | runedude` | Anyone know? :) |
| 20:49.18 | simonrvn | EdibleText: kuru, cjb, no difference |
| 20:49.20 | Gathond_ | risky: presumably no available memory |
| 20:49.24 | sussudio | risky: dildo |
| 20:49.29 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: hewh |
| 20:49.47 | risky | Gathond_, no available memory where? there's memory for sure |
| 20:50.01 | FieldySnuts | look in logs, might be more info, or dmesg as well |
| 20:50.06 | runedude` | does anyone know if there any way to upgrade debian to the latest version without having to make another CD?? :) |
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| 20:50.15 | pipeline | runedude: It's easy as all get out. |
| 20:50.16 | paulswm | dammit now I'm really hungry |
| 20:50.26 | runedude` | pipeline: ? |
| 20:50.26 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: irritate runedude |
| 20:50.28 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:50.29 | pipeline | runedude: Change your /etc/apt/sources.list to the new version |
| 20:50.32 | Gathond | risky: or perhaps that the specifiv address the module for some reason needs aint |
| 20:50.32 | runedude` | ok |
| 20:50.33 | sussudio | !lose ravenbird |
| 20:50.34 | dpkg | ravenbird: You Lose. |
| 20:50.35 | DarkHound | runedude, apt-get dist upgrade |
| 20:50.39 | runedude` | what is the newest version? :/ |
| 20:50.40 | Twitching_Fool | risky: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade does it for me |
| 20:50.51 | pipeline | runedude`: Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade" and "apt-get upgrade" |
| 20:51.00 | runedude` | pipeline: what is the latest version? |
| 20:51.03 | paulswm | woomph |
| 20:51.04 | pipeline | runedude`: Upgrading is always safe, and should always work. Downgrading is painful and difficult. |
| 20:51.08 | runedude` | cool |
| 20:51.11 | risky | Gathond, I hope it's not that |
| 20:51.13 | runedude` | thats very good to hear |
| 20:51.29 | pipeline | runedude`: "sarge" -- but make sure you comment out any line in sources.list that mentions security updates if you use sarge. |
| 20:52.03 | risky | Twitching_Fool, do you know exactly what you need to upgrade to fix it? |
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| 20:52.34 | Twitching_Fool | risky: sorry, i meant runedude` ;\ |
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| 20:52.50 | risky | Twitching_Fool, Ah :-) |
| 20:53.05 | runedude` | so if my lines are like this: deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free i should put sarge instead of stable? |
| 20:53.36 | Twitching_Fool | runedude`: testing, rather |
| 20:53.42 | runedude` | ok |
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| 20:53.46 | runedude` | and that should be for every line? |
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| 20:54.59 | simonrvn | ravenbird: woody->sarge |
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| 20:55.00 | ravenbird | rumour has it, woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge", or "testing". testing *is* sarge currently.. Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 20:55.01 | Twitching_Fool | indeed. this is writetn in debian.org's docs somwhere |
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| 20:55.16 | coughfee | JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 |
| 20:55.19 | coughfee | JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 |
| 20:55.23 | simonrvn | sussudio: look who's here |
| 20:55.24 | idnar | er |
| 20:55.25 | quittt | someone here got NVIDIA driver(6111) working with 2.6.8??? |
| 20:55.30 | Vantage | Any idea what would cause debian install to crawl? I've got an older machine here (Dual PII-266's, 512MB SDRAM, 10,000 RPM SCSI drive) and it took approx 40 hours to install sarge on it. I'm booting it now with a 2.6 SMP kernel and it's been booting for over 20mins with no errors but still hasn't finished... |
| 20:55.30 | coughfee | JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 |
| 20:55.30 | idnar | !ops |
| 20:55.31 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 20:55.31 | coughfee | JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 |
| 20:55.37 | coughfee | JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 |
| 20:55.40 | idnar | !ops flooding from coughfee |
| 20:55.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: flooding from coughfee |
| 20:55.44 | simonrvn | !ops co[4~ is herecoughfee |
| 20:55.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: co[4~ is herecoughfee |
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| 20:56.00 | Rez | klined |
| 20:56.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 20:56.06 | idnar | hehe |
| 20:56.08 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 20:56.09 | matteo` | ignored |
| 20:56.11 | hardwire | hrh |
| 20:56.13 | hardwire | err |
| 20:56.13 | hardwire | hrh |
| 20:56.15 | hardwire | err |
| 20:56.16 | hardwire | heh |
| 20:56.19 | hardwire | damnit.. I can't type |
| 20:56.25 | Fluten | damn conspiracy theories |
| 20:56.30 | Vantage | hmm i'll try that message again |
| 20:56.34 | Vantage | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.42 | simonrvn | I.D.I.O.T. |
| 20:56.46 | FieldySnuts | no shit there |
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| 20:58.05 | simonrvn | Vantage: wth? should be zippy with that gear |
| 20:58.21 | Vantage | simonrvn: I know. I can't figure it out |
| 20:58.26 | sussudio | simonrvn: yeah, i've seen tardboy come on and off freenode for a while now. |
| 20:58.34 | Vantage | It's a Tyan Thunder 2 board |
| 20:58.51 | Vantage | I've got slower machines running woody way faster than this |
| 20:58.53 | dondelelcaro | Vantage: and the bogo mips calculation for that machine looks reasonable? |
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| 20:58.58 | simonrvn | sussudio: i know :/ |
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| 20:59.45 | Vantage | dondelelcaro: not sure, i'm still waiting for a login prompt. I thought at first it might have been because of a non-smp default kernel. installed the smp one right after install, and now i'm still waiting for it to come back up... |
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| 21:00.09 | dondelelcaro | Vantage: that's really weird. |
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| 21:00.21 | paulswm | Vantage: got a live CD of some sort, does it do the same thing? |
| 21:00.24 | _kawf-ee__ | SUSSUDIO HELIX PHATED: JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS D |
| 21:00.24 | _kawf-ee__ | ID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 |
| 21:00.26 | _kawf-ee__ | SUSSUDIO HELIX PHATED: JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS D |
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| 21:00.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@202.152.26.26] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:00.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:00.40 | Buuyo^ | mmmyum |
| 21:00.52 | gravity | Jesus on a fucksicle |
| 21:01.01 | thingfish | they have medications for disorders like that |
| 21:01.13 | abrotman | thingfish: no .. they don't |
| 21:01.16 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: it's called a .44 magnum |
| 21:01.16 | Vantage | this machine was previously running win2k and the performance was as you'd expect for the hardware (w/ win2k on it...) |
| 21:01.16 | paulswm | thingfish: and firearms |
| 21:01.18 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:01.21 | paulswm | heh |
| 21:01.23 | Xemacs_ | it's not working |
| 21:01.26 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 21:01.33 | matteo` | what "JEWS DID WTC LOL" does mean? |
| 21:01.37 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: something happened to my gallery. the folder icon dont show up no more |
| 21:01.37 | matteo` | ciao akbg |
| 21:01.40 | abrotman | Phated: how did you get involved? |
| 21:01.44 | Buuyo^ | Vantage: Incredibly good depending on the hardware I guess. :) |
| 21:01.48 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh downgrade to -1 |
| 21:01.54 | deadcat | (= |
| 21:01.59 | Fluten | to use dcph for an interface, does any extra software need to be installed (just checking so i don't run into a dead end with a nonfunctional internet connection)? |
| 21:02.04 | paulswm | it means "please remove Linux and reinstall Windows XP" |
| 21:02.04 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: apache or the gallery? |
| 21:02.13 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 292604 |
| 21:02.17 | dpkg | #292604:S[libapache-gallery-perl] icons should not have suddenly changed from icons to gallery-icons (pending) |
| 21:02.23 | deadcat | yes sir |
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| 21:02.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i got my fonts on the laptop fix. it was startx with -dpi 75 )= |
| 21:02.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh. yeah, I ran across this earlier myself... someone filed a bug about it, and it got taken care of. |
| 21:02.57 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: nice |
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| 21:03.15 | dondelelcaro | (rather, Jesus Climent is going to fix it) |
| 21:03.57 | sussudio | matteo`: it means it's very lonely in kansas with only a cow for company |
| 21:03.57 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: just like that. fixed hehe |
| 21:04.07 | matteo` | haha |
| 21:04.17 | dondelelcaro | mooo |
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| 21:04.32 | paulswm | boy, it's getting tp be quite an eventful afternoon |
| 21:04.44 | sussudio | !saturday |
| 21:04.44 | dpkg | saturday is, like, Tardsday Eve |
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| 21:04.50 | _helix | SUSSUDIO HELIX PHATED: JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL |
| 21:04.50 | abrotman | i'm waiting for a gentootroll |
| 21:04.53 | _helix | SUSSUDIO HELIX PHATED: JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS DID 911 JEWS DID WTC LOL |
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| 21:05.04 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 21:05.09 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: that was *fast* |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | all that wasted fucking effort |
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| 21:05.20 | sussudio | Phated: were you even here before kawfee was banned? |
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| 21:05.31 | abrotman | sussudio: i was .. so Phated should have been also |
| 21:05.44 | FieldySnuts | thats kawfee? |
| 21:05.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:05.50 | abrotman | well .. |
| 21:05.51 | simonrvn | yup |
| 21:05.52 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: yes. |
| 21:05.52 | FieldySnuts | what a shithead |
| 21:05.55 | abrotman | that's kawfee in a bad mood |
| 21:06.04 | abrotman | he was just an idiot before :) |
| 21:06.08 | paulswm | who's kawfee |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | !kawfee |
| 21:06.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, kawfee is KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier |
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| 21:06.23 | paulswm | ah |
| 21:06.31 | EdibleText | !seen kawfee |
| 21:06.31 | dpkg | kawfee <~kawfee@CPE-24-166-190-59.kc.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 98d 4h 53m 45s ago, saying: 'helix: silence'. |
| 21:06.41 | abrotman | paulswm: he used to spend a lot of time in here .. but .. he upset basically every op in here |
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| 21:06.50 | abrotman | paulswm: like me .. but nastier :) |
| 21:07.03 | paulswm | abrotman: funny |
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| 21:07.50 | FieldySnuts | where does one get that jews did that |
| 21:07.56 | FieldySnuts | idiots |
| 21:08.08 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it was a conspiracy theory after it happened |
| 21:08.09 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: old conspiracy theory... |
| 21:08.10 | mlewis00 | sussudio: Did you notice that he was using your nick as a login id on one of his systems? |
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| 21:08.16 | FieldySnuts | new one on me |
| 21:08.19 | abrotman | something about controlling more money and blaming muslims all at the same time |
| 21:08.20 | aFlag | is packages.debian.org out? |
| 21:08.27 | FieldySnuts | yes, it is |
| 21:08.28 | dondelelcaro | aFlag: /topic |
| 21:08.30 | simonrvn | aFlag: /topic |
| 21:08.43 | quittt | how do I add BeOS to grub? |
| 21:08.49 | abrotman | ask #grub |
| 21:09.00 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: it's the age old, "jews belong to the society of Zion (an older version of the illuminati) and control everything that happens on the planet" |
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| 21:09.14 | FieldySnuts | heh illuminati i've definately heard about |
| 21:09.19 | aFlag | oh, there's too much info on the topic :P |
| 21:09.23 | dondelelcaro | (it's not called the society of zion... but something...) |
| 21:09.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: when you browse your gallery on the localnetwork do you still use lan ip or your domain name? |
| 21:09.37 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh... lan ip |
| 21:09.44 | Xemacs_ | quitte, there is and example in /usr/share/doc/grub/..... |
| 21:09.44 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: rrr... sorry, domain name |
| 21:09.46 | Vantage | appears to be a ram problem. Removed all and put in a 128MB stick and it seems to be doing better... weird... |
| 21:09.55 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but that box isn't firewalled, so there's really no pint |
| 21:09.59 | dondelelcaro | s/pint/point |
| 21:10.14 | mlewis00 | _kawf-ee__ (~sussudio@202.152.26.26) has left #debian (requested by dondelelcaro: "you should know better") |
| 21:10.14 | mlewis00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.14 | simonrvn | Vantage: wth is going on with that thing |
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| 21:10.22 | FieldySnuts | mlewis00: we noticed. |
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| 21:10.32 | [dksuiko] | is packages.debian.org down? |
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| 21:10.36 | FalscherHase | Hi. I'm preparing my laptop to be a small intranet server for a newbie linux tutorial. is there a minimalist dns server that resolves all requests to one (my) address? |
| 21:10.37 | dondelelcaro | [dksuiko]: /topic |
| 21:10.40 | FieldySnuts | read the fucking topic |
| 21:10.40 | FieldySnuts | god |
| 21:10.51 | mlewis00 | I was wondering...confused me for a second. |
| 21:10.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: oh. i figured if i can just view them from my laptop to the desktop via lan i dont have to go out the net and come back to the desktop. bandwidth. |
| 21:10.53 | simonrvn | don't people read the /topic when they come in? |
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| 21:11.07 | simonrvn | (rhetorical...) |
| 21:11.12 | EdibleText | simonrvn, that smacks of effort |
| 21:11.12 | [dksuiko] | considering how long the god damn topic is, its longer than my window |
| 21:11.28 | FieldySnuts | @moron [dksuiko] |
| 21:11.29 | christor | What do you think abouot the certifications LPI? |
| 21:11.30 | ravenbird | [dksuiko]: You are moron #60 |
| 21:11.40 | dondelelcaro | [dksuiko]: you should always read the topic when you enter a channel. |
| 21:11.48 | dondelelcaro | [dksuiko]: the most common questions are almost always answered in them |
| 21:11.51 | simonrvn | [dksuiko]: no excuse. you do /topic, then you can read it. and your client doesn't do that, your client sucks ;) |
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| 21:12.05 | [dksuiko] | hahaha! no wonder this was voted thumbs down on arstechnica.. |
| 21:12.07 | [dksuiko] | bunch of assholes |
| 21:12.15 | Buuyo^ | heh |
| 21:12.17 | EdibleText | arsetechnica |
| 21:12.27 | simonrvn | [dksuiko]: yes, we all have one |
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| 21:12.48 | dondelelcaro | unless we have colostomies, then we have mulitple ones... |
| 21:12.52 | FieldySnuts | uhh |
| 21:12.53 | [dksuiko] | lol, you guys must get off on that or something |
| 21:12.55 | simonrvn | yup |
| 21:12.56 | thingfish | oh dear |
| 21:13.03 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
| 21:13.06 | Buuyo^ | I get off on being an ass. :) |
| 21:13.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ah. alias the gallery domain name in /etc/hosts works hehe |
| 21:13.19 | FieldySnuts | yes we get off on expecting users to do the most basic of things such as checking topics. |
| 21:13.21 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh |
| 21:13.25 | simonrvn | i get my ass, on sit on it. you know |
| 21:13.33 | paulswm | abrotman: guess I'd better get round to setting up sound, I suppose I should go with alsa, is that right, and anything to avoid, I find this a bit confusing |
| 21:13.35 | sussudio | i wouldn't trust something called ArseTechnica. |
| 21:13.49 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: sounds like a cheesy porn production company |
| 21:13.50 | [dksuiko] | fieldy: yeah, you love it when they make the slightest mistake so you can act like a god |
| 21:14.00 | [dksuiko] | ah well, i guess we all have to find some way to feel |
| 21:14.02 | [dksuiko] | good |
| 21:14.07 | FieldySnuts | [dksuiko]: hey, it's their channel, if you don't like it, leave. |
| 21:14.08 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: but with overpriced videocards and stuff. |
| 21:14.10 | [dksuiko] | but hey, if its your thing |
| 21:14.17 | dondelelcaro | [dksuiko]: drop it already. |
| 21:14.19 | simonrvn | [dksuiko]: dude, it's ok. we don't mean ill to you |
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| 21:14.24 | FieldySnuts | I do. |
| 21:14.31 | simonrvn | i don't |
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| 21:14.39 | FieldySnuts | me neither, i'm just being a shit :) |
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| 21:14.53 | holo | !bts |
| 21:14.53 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:15.02 | [dksuiko] | dondelel: certainly, just had to get it out of my system. |
| 21:15.09 | EdibleText | !wayttd [dksuiko] |
| 21:15.10 | abrotman | paulswm: do it |
| 21:15.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [dksuiko]? |
| 21:15.17 | holo | sorry :s |
| 21:15.25 | paulswm | abrotman: OK, thanks |
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| 21:15.48 | dondelelcaro | [dksuiko]: that's great... just like others railing against you is bothers you, railing against others, bothers others. Anyway... next topic. |
| 21:16.07 | simonrvn | yeh, it's settled |
| 21:16.20 | FieldySnuts | he came to ask if packages was down, got the answer. lesson is please read the topic next time first, it's there :) |
| 21:16.21 | Vantage | simonrvn: appears to have been caused by a flaky ram stick. I've removed the bad stick and all seems to boot quite quickly now. Wish I knew that before I spent 40 hours on the install ;) |
| 21:16.43 | paulswm | !beer Vantage |
| 21:16.51 | dondelelcaro | Vantage: heh. you might try looking around... there may be special options necessary to get the memory detection right... |
| 21:16.55 | Buuyo^ | How can I configure linux to fix my ide controller's leaky chip? :) |
| 21:17.08 | paulswm | leaky? |
| 21:17.10 | simonrvn | Vantage: oh damn. that sucks. run memtest86 on it with the suspected bad ram in it, then you can find out which one is flaky |
| 21:17.15 | FieldySnuts | sounds like a personal problem |
| 21:17.20 | Buuyo^ | paulswm: Yeah, it leaks electrons |
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| 21:17.23 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 21:17.23 | EdibleText | apt-get install tampon |
| 21:17.26 | simonrvn | Vantage: do what dondelelcaro said first |
| 21:17.30 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 21:17.37 | FieldySnuts | ..... |
| 21:17.37 | simonrvn | wtf. |
| 21:17.52 | simonrvn | oh, 'split |
| 21:17.57 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah... a long one |
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| 21:18.55 | Vantage | Yeah, I think I'll do that. Thanks everyone! |
| 21:19.09 | thingfish | what a swell guy. |
| 21:19.09 | Buuyo^ | strubbel: What methinks you need is a wrapper script for tar |
| 21:19.28 | deadcat | irssi themes are just diff color on the usernames right? |
| 21:19.40 | Buuyo^ | deadcat: Different status bar colors too |
| 21:19.44 | FieldySnuts | little more than that, but it's console, how much can be different |
| 21:19.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: can be different colors everywhere... |
| 21:19.53 | FieldySnuts | i like the sprite theme |
| 21:19.54 | ayuda | como me meto a debian-es |
| 21:19.56 | deadcat | ah. |
| 21:19.57 | strubbel | Buuyo^: no the worst idea :) |
| 21:20.12 | thingfish | ayuda: haga /join #debian-es |
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| 21:20.25 | ayuda | gracias |
| 21:20.29 | thingfish | pn |
| 21:20.36 | FieldySnuts | engrish please |
| 21:20.46 | Buuyo^ | strubbel: The worst idea would be continuing to mkdir; chdir for ever archive you're not so sure about :) |
| 21:20.50 | EdibleText | !engrish |
| 21:20.51 | dpkg | it has been said that engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 21:20.57 | FieldySnuts | heh don't go there |
| 21:21.14 | strubbel | Buuyo^: ya, you're right |
| 21:21.23 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, all yellow? or flecked with brown, man? |
| 21:21.26 | deadcat | dont know if this is a psychological thing but cpu at 400mhz really seems to save some bat life compared to 800mhz |
| 21:21.32 | FieldySnuts | what?? |
| 21:21.48 | Gathond | deadcat: it is a physical thing :) |
| 21:21.51 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, (its on the engrish site.. a teeshirt) |
| 21:21.52 | tobehz | deadcat: it's a fact :p |
| 21:21.55 | deadcat | oh. |
| 21:21.57 | deadcat | cool. |
| 21:22.04 | Gathond | deadcat: double the frequency and you need 4 times the power |
| 21:22.07 | Gathond | roughly |
| 21:22.23 | EdibleText | FieldySnuts, its in good taste |
| 21:22.25 | deadcat | Gathond: dang... i guess now i really do have 5hr juice on this sucker |
| 21:22.27 | FieldySnuts | which you aren't really doing with multipliers |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | paulswm: done yet? |
| 21:22.38 | simonrvn | Gathond: um, i think that's dependent on arch |
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| 21:22.57 | paulswm | abrotman: no, not started yet, man you are worse than my boss |
| 21:23.12 | Gathond | simonrvn: provided it is the same architecture/design of cause, but else I think it is correct, you are welcome to prove my memory wrong :) |
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| 21:23.28 | tobehz | heh |
| 21:23.32 | tobehz | that's like |
| 21:23.36 | tobehz | exponential power usage |
| 21:23.43 | FieldySnuts | he's talking about RF theory, but that doesn't apply there because you're using multipliers on top of the FSB frequency |
| 21:23.57 | setuid_w00t | I have a networking terminology question: If I send a packet from computer A, through router B and then it arrives at computer C, is that 1 hop because it went through 1 intermediate computer or 2 hops because it went across 2 network links? |
| 21:24.07 | abrotman | paulswm: ermm .. ok |
| 21:24.09 | Vyrus001 | how do i setup my ethernet card ? "i typed the wrong info when booting of the deb cd for freash install" |
| 21:24.18 | Gathond | FieldySnuts: that might be correct yes |
| 21:24.25 | n3o_X | I have 2 hard drives.. the slave is debian and master is winxp.. grub was installed on the mbr on hd1.. (winxp) is there a way to remove grub? |
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| 21:24.34 | quittt | some that has a good sources.list PVT ME! |
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| 21:24.39 | quittt | someone that has a good sources.list PVT ME! |
| 21:24.44 | FieldySnuts | god shut up already |
| 21:24.50 | netsurfer | when I try to "make modules" I get loads of errors like this: /usr/src/linux-2.4.29/include/linux/modules/i386_ksyms.ver:96:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 21:24.50 | paulswm | abrotman: kidding, sorry |
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| 21:24.59 | CxDoctor | man. gcc 2.95 ? |
| 21:24.59 | Fare | hi. What's the command to make a base install from .deb's? |
| 21:25.14 | abrotman | paulswm: still not done? |
| 21:25.16 | Fare | so I could regenerate a broken debian install from that collection of debs I downloaded |
| 21:25.21 | Kheldar^ | somebody got a good number pls PVT me :x |
| 21:25.23 | deadcat | Fare: debootstrap |
| 21:25.25 | paulswm | !beat abrotman |
| 21:25.28 | CxDoctor | I wonder if I installed the newest debian distro. everything is so old |
| 21:25.29 | Fare | deadcat: thanks |
| 21:25.34 | abrotman | !beer paul |
| 21:25.35 | abrotman | !beer paulswm \ |
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| 21:25.42 | Buuyo^ | Anyone ever successfully apt-get'd to debian from ubuntu? |
| 21:25.42 | paulswm | heh |
| 21:25.45 | tobehz | CxDoctor: stable is old, but stable |
| 21:25.49 | simonrvn | quittt: apt-setup |
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| 21:25.51 | gravity | CxDoctor: You probably installed the latest stable release |
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| 21:25.56 | tobehz | testing is fairly new, and unstable is the cutting edge |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | Buuyo^: ask #ubuntu |
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| 21:26.04 | Buuyo^ | abrotman: They tell me to ask #debian |
| 21:26.04 | Buuyo^ | :) |
| 21:26.05 | mlewis00 | I believe it is related to the fact that the CPU only dissipates power on the rising and falling clock edges...double the clock frequency and you create approx. 4 times the number of rising / falling edges IIRC. |
| 21:26.09 | notdenizen | Buuyo^, I'm a ubuntu user, I *NORMALLY* use the repositories on alioth. which is why I'm here |
| 21:26.11 | abrotman | Buuyo^: they're wrong |
| 21:26.15 | n3o_X | how do i get rid of grub that is installed on my main hd? |
| 21:26.17 | CxDoctor | you guys think I should run apt-get upgrade overnight ? |
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| 21:26.27 | n3o_X | depends on how fast of a connection you have |
| 21:26.34 | CxDoctor | maybe I should only upgrade the user apps I care about like mozilla |
| 21:26.34 | tobehz | CxDoctor: on a good connection, it's pretty fast |
| 21:26.38 | gravity | And on what you want and need |
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| 21:26.54 | Fare | can debootstrap work cross-architecture? |
| 21:26.57 | tobehz | I upgraded a base system from stable to unstable in around 20 minutes on cable. |
| 21:26.59 | paulswm | CxDoctor: you can easily upgrade to sarge (testing), if you are so inclined |
| 21:27.06 | Fare | has anyone installed debian cross-architecture thanks to qemu? |
| 21:27.13 | Thaiger | I have a whole bunch of mail that I archived with an *.eml extensions, Does anyone know of a program that can import it? |
| 21:27.19 | netsurfer | actually, i'll try that again.. using sarge with custom 2.4.29 kernel, when I try to "make modules" I get loads of errors like this: /usr/src/linux-2.4.29/include/linux/modules/i386_ksyms.ver:96:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition |
| 21:27.19 | paulswm | CxDoctor: mixing distros is generally a very bad idea |
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| 21:27.32 | EdibleText | n3o_X, fdisk /mbr with a windows boot disk |
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| 21:27.37 | FieldySnuts | s/generally/always/ |
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| 21:27.50 | MrLuring | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.01 | Vyrus001 | is there a command to enter ethernet card setup info on debian " like yast on suse?" |
| 21:28.08 | Fare | what about extracting files from a .deb when the /var/lib/dpkg is broken? |
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| 21:28.14 | asg | Vyrus001: etherconf |
| 21:28.20 | Vyrus001 | cool thanx :P |
| 21:28.21 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I agree but there's often someone who'll find a pathological case where it's necessary and want to argue about it |
| 21:28.34 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 21:29.21 | notdenizen | MrLuring, have you done cfgmaker <snmphost> > /etc/mrtg.conf ; vi /etc/mrtg.conf ? |
| 21:29.27 | paulswm | CxDoctor: just change your sources.list to point to testing, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, I think that's all |
| 21:29.36 | EdibleText | Thaiger, thats outlook express |
| 21:29.40 | CxDoctor | k thanx |
| 21:30.38 | MrLuring | notdenizen: no i made it by myself from a cfg that works :) |
| 21:30.55 | paulswm | Thaiger: Thunderbird can import Outlook Express mail |
| 21:31.05 | Phated | sussudio: Probably. <shrug> |
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| 21:31.41 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:31.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 21:31.46 | simonrvn | Gathond: not relevant, but interesting http://www.rdrop.com/~cary/html/computer_architecture.html |
| 21:32.20 | deadcat | openoffice.org seems to be broken in sid for ppc for a LONG time now. what the f is going on? |
| 21:32.50 | asg | deadcat: try #debianppc or #debian-oo (or simonrvn might know) |
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| 21:32.54 | Gathond | simonrvn: neat |
| 21:33.09 | deadcat | asg: they dont answer my qs in those channels )= |
| 21:33.13 | simonrvn | bts :) |
| 21:33.15 | holo | debfoster logs explicit installed packages and dependences in its database if the packages are installed via apt or dpkg? |
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| 21:33.20 | deadcat | simonrvn: doh. |
| 21:33.36 | holo | or only if they are installed with debfoster? |
| 21:33.54 | lonly_one | guys is there any package allow me to addusers to my system throuh |
| 21:33.58 | deadcat | guess i will just get it from testing heheh |
| 21:34.00 | lonly_one | guys is there any package allow me to addusers to my system through http ????????/ |
| 21:34.20 | asg | lonly_one: yes but we don't recommend it due to it's inherent security problems. |
| 21:34.33 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 21:35.03 | Phated | And the fact that adduser is a three-step, two-word command? :) |
| 21:35.04 | caphuso | i don't recomment it due to excessive use of "?" |
| 21:35.08 | caphuso | s/nt/nd/ |
| 21:35.36 | holo | any debfoster user here? helloo |
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| 21:35.54 | simonrvn | ew x86 asm .. with all those mov registers |
| 21:35.58 | holo | i'm pushing my luck |
| 21:36.00 | holo | :p |
| 21:36.14 | doublehp | is ftp.de.debian.org down ? |
| 21:36.15 | quittt | where can I get 6111 nvidia-kernel for 2.6.8? |
| 21:36.40 | asg | holo: afaik, once you've marked your packages with debfoster, it will ask you about extraneous extant packages irregardless of how they were installed |
| 21:37.33 | holo | asg, ha! i have to mark them.. i was missing that point. thanks |
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| 21:37.34 | asg | doublehp: it appears to be. |
| 21:37.41 | nkem | hi |
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| 21:38.10 | CxDoctor | what's the easy way to configure XFree86? isnt there a standard tool in debian for it? |
| 21:38.19 | caphuso | CxDoctor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:38.21 | airox | In which package would i find the apxs program for apache2 ? |
| 21:38.22 | doublehp | asg: UK mirror is ok, but I have better feelings for de ... |
| 21:38.32 | caphuso | airox: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:38.33 | asg | doublehp: well, use uk until .de is feeling better |
| 21:38.43 | caphuso | ftp2.de.d.o works |
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| 21:39.40 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 21:39.43 | asg | airox: it's probably apxs2 (given that all std apache utils have been so renamed.) |
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| 21:39.46 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 21:40.47 | Thaiger | How do I import mail into Thunderbird instead of having to open each message one by one? |
| 21:40.51 | FraudulentPeanut | i can get the wireless connected but it connects to the neibors router not mine... i want to tell it to connect only to mine. Any ideas on how to set this? |
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| 21:41.06 | simonrvn | Gathond: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997&page=3 |
| 21:41.12 | asg | FraudulentPeanut: use keys and or set a different ssid |
| 21:41.56 | asg | FraudulentPeanut: you can always broadcast on a different channel and force connect to that |
| 21:42.10 | lonly_one | guys is there any package allow me to addusers to my system through http ????????/ |
| 21:42.25 | airox | lonly_one: tried webmin? |
| 21:42.49 | doublehp | It is 1 month I installed SID; I installed a lot of package, but did not set up most of them; today I can see a sit1 card, and can browse the web in v6, but I dont remember I set up any v6 tunnel; which daemon could have setup v6 for me ? which provider is it ? I have no /etc/freenet directory ...nor radvd daemon ... |
| 21:42.54 | asg | lonly_one: using webmin will also allow other people to add users to your system via http as well if you aren't careful. |
| 21:43.04 | Cyda | webmin is lame...ssh to the box and do adduser |
| 21:43.16 | Cyda | my opnion |
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| 21:44.25 | tarzeau | simonrvn: did you see http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9546 |
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| 21:44.29 | lonly_one | airox don't have adduser things |
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| 21:44.54 | doublehp | hmmm tspc did that ... |
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| 21:45.23 | simonrvn | tarzeau: no. and i'm using a text browser right now =) |
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| 21:46.49 | simonrvn | tarzeau: i can grok what it is from the comments. :) |
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| 21:47.31 | matteo` | tarzeau: hi |
| 21:47.52 | toresbe | You know, WLAN rocks |
| 21:48.00 | toresbe | I mean, it really, really, really rocks :) |
| 21:48.17 | matteo` | with what wlan card? |
| 21:48.26 | matteo` | i have a crappy realtek here |
| 21:48.29 | toresbe | me too |
| 21:48.36 | toresbe | rt2400, suck suck suck |
| 21:48.53 | matteo` | i have also a good rt2400 |
| 21:48.56 | toresbe | But the cool part is, I don't think there is a Norwegian word for wireless security |
| 21:48.56 | tarzeau | simonrvn: heh :) |
| 21:48.59 | tarzeau | matteo`: hi |
| 21:49.12 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i mean how could it be hard , if *i* say anything |
| 21:49.15 | asg | toresbe: there really isn't an English one either |
| 21:49.17 | toresbe | no matter where you go in Norway, you're *very* likely to get net access |
| 21:49.21 | TGM | What is the point of /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh? The Sys clock is initalized back in /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh, and hwclock.sh jusrt seems to set the clock from cmos again (based on the boot mesage anyway). |
| 21:49.25 | matteo` | tarzeau: i found the translation of a debian parody on the net |
| 21:49.26 | matteo` | LoL |
| 21:49.36 | tarzeau | matteo`: where? what language? |
| 21:49.40 | matteo` | turkish |
| 21:50.01 | tarzeau | yes a good friend translated it |
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| 21:50.13 | matteo` | however is cool |
| 21:50.22 | quittt | how do I install NVIDIA Driver 6111 under kernel 2.6.8? |
| 21:51.13 | simonrvn | tarzeau: heh |
| 21:51.30 | matteo` | toresbe: rt2400 works fine for me |
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| 21:51.50 | merlinco1ey | does anyone happen to know what filesystem is used on most removeable microdrives for digital cameras? I'm having trouble mounting mine, can't get the correct filesystem |
| 21:51.50 | matteo` | realtek rtl8180 instead sucks, sucks, sucks |
| 21:52.03 | matteo` | merlinco1ey: vfat? |
| 21:52.20 | matteo` | msdos? |
| 21:52.26 | merlinco1ey | matteo`: I figured so but it bitched :/ however I know it works on my roomate's windows computer |
| 21:52.38 | muaddib_ | does anyone know why my installer wants a file called iptables_1.2.6a-5_powerpc.deb and theis file does not exist on any ftp.*.debian.org server ? |
| 21:53.00 | matteo` | merlinco1ey: installed the latest cvs drivers? |
| 21:53.17 | merlinco1ey | matteo`: I believe so |
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| 21:53.28 | matteo` | and what happens? |
| 21:53.38 | matteo` | you can also use raconfig |
| 21:53.43 | muaddib_ | it seems to have been replaced by iptables_1.2.6a-5.0_powerpc.deb |
| 21:53.45 | matteo` | *RaConfig* |
| 21:53.59 | muaddib_ | but that file isnt working for me, even if i redirect the ftp stream. |
| 21:54.01 | toresbe | matteo`: Raconfig? |
| 21:54.06 | toresbe | matteo`: Is that for the 240? |
| 21:54.14 | toresbe | 2400* |
| 21:54.18 | merlinco1ey | ok wait a second |
| 21:54.22 | jordi__ | CMD /xmms_control play |
| 21:54.23 | matteo` | yes |
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| 21:54.28 | jordi__ | ops |
| 21:54.31 | merlinco1ey | latest drivers for what? |
| 21:54.31 | jordi__ | ;-) |
| 21:54.38 | matteo` | for rt2400 |
| 21:54.50 | muaddib_ | anyone seen this problem before ? |
| 21:54.53 | merlinco1ey | !tell me about rt2400 |
| 21:54.54 | TGM | has alioth changed skins since the last google cache? i thought i remember seeing it look a lot like savannah.gnu.org |
| 21:55.18 | matteo` | !tell me about rt2400 |
| 21:55.21 | merlinco1ey | nothing |
| 21:55.23 | toresbe | matteo`: What does it do? |
| 21:55.26 | toresbe | !rt2400 |
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| 21:55.45 | matteo` | dpkg doesn't know what is 'rt2400' |
| 21:55.46 | dpkg | okay, matteo` |
| 21:55.48 | matteo` | :) |
| 21:56.08 | toresbe | TGM: Isn't alioth down for the weekend for sched maint? |
| 21:56.09 | muaddib_ | is there a way to substitue the new file for the old one? does the old one still exist ? |
| 21:56.28 | simonrvn | Gathond: "(estimated 20 Watts at 1.4GHz, 40W at 1.8GHz)" for PPC 970. what's it at for x86 or alpha at that speed? |
| 21:56.29 | merlinco1ey | Jan 29 16:45:33 localhost kernel: SCSI device sda: 2104704 512-byte hdwr sectors (1078 MB) |
| 21:56.34 | TGM | yes, that is why i ask rather than check myself |
| 21:56.38 | merlinco1ey | I am correct in assuming I am trying to mount /dev/sda, yes? |
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| 21:57.19 | matteo` | i haven't such a card |
| 21:57.23 | jordi__ | ./xmms_control play |
| 21:57.25 | EdibleText | merlinco1ey, perhaps /dev/sda1 |
| 21:57.25 | matteo` | insert it |
| 21:57.28 | tobehz | simonrvn: how did you get those numbers? |
| 21:57.29 | matteo` | and look at dmesg |
| 21:57.39 | tobehz | or where? O_o |
| 21:57.45 | matteo` | EdibleText: sometimes sda |
| 21:57.47 | simonrvn | tobehz: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3997&page=3 |
| 21:57.49 | merlinco1ey | haha |
| 21:57.54 | merlinco1ey | EdibleText: that did it |
| 21:57.57 | matteo` | there is the 'superfloppy' format |
| 21:58.01 | merlinco1ey | thanks, matteo` and EdibleText |
| 21:58.06 | matteo` | merlinco1ey: try sda |
| 21:58.19 | merlinco1ey | matteo`: sda it doesn't like, but sda1 it does |
| 21:58.22 | Gathond | simonrvn: I cant remember, but probably alot higher |
| 21:58.22 | EdibleText | matteo`, really. ill check it out |
| 21:58.46 | merlinco1ey | mbook:/mnt/usbdrive/dcim/100_fuji# |
| 21:58.50 | merlinco1ey | ^ works on sda1 |
| 21:58.57 | muaddib_ | is there a way to 'install the base system' without a .deb file ? |
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| 21:59.29 | EdibleText | matteo`, oh thats the odd ls-120 device |
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| 22:01.34 | Kerr | is there a way to lock access to running gui apps ? |
| 22:01.50 | dirthead | I am running woody on the servers at work. exim seems to be running by default. Can I just uninstall exim without any problems? |
| 22:01.50 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 22:02.00 | asg | Kerr: you can lock the xsession with xlock, xlockmore, or xscreensaver |
| 22:02.05 | Twitching_Fool | chmod a-x startx ^_ |
| 22:02.11 | asg | dirthead: no |
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| 22:02.30 | dirthead | asg: ok, so I won't. Why is that? |
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| 22:02.32 | asg | dirthead: if you don't need a full mta, use nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 22:02.50 | asg | dirthead: because cron and other system services send mail and removing the mailer will prevent this. |
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| 22:03.15 | dirthead | asg: send mail to where? |
| 22:03.17 | TheArtist | which package has unrar in it? |
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| 22:03.29 | EdibleText | TheArtist, unrar |
| 22:03.31 | teprrr | unrar-nonfree |
| 22:03.31 | asg | dirthead: also, unless you contravene package management, removing exim or any mta will remove cron and other essential services. |
| 22:03.40 | Kerr | asg: don't want to lock the entire session. just can't be arsed logging out for people to webbrowse, or closing konsole, which means having to reconnec t to all of my ssh sessions. |
| 22:03.41 | asg | dirthead: to wherever you have root's mail sent to. |
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| 22:03.46 | deadcat | doh. i accidently downloaded the wrong version of OO.org from testing. HAHAHAh |
| 22:03.48 | TheArtist | EdibleText, Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:03.49 | teprrr | at least I haven't been able to extract any archives with the free one.. :P |
| 22:04.10 | Kerr | reconnect^ |
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| 22:04.14 | EdibleText | TheArtist, hmm try what teprrr siad |
| 22:04.30 | EdibleText | I think it used to be unrar... |
| 22:04.32 | jordo23 | Anyone know what I need to do in order for my Windows box to be able to write files to my linux box with Samba? When I try it states "Access denied." |
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| 22:04.39 | dirthead | asg: thanks! that answers my question. |
| 22:04.44 | asg | dirthead: you're welcome |
| 22:04.49 | Kerr | O.o |
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| 22:05.44 | tobehz | simonrvn: an athlon xp 2ghz uses around ~60w |
| 22:05.44 | EdibleText | jordo23, depending on the level of security you need, you can do read only=no and guest ok = yes; or set up a valid samba user and connect as that user |
| 22:05.52 | asg | jordo23: have you asked in #samba yet? |
| 22:05.58 | deadcat | !zu |
| 22:06.10 | jordo23 | Asg: yeah....no one awake in there.. |
| 22:06.14 | tobehz | and 1.6ghz uses ~50w |
| 22:06.20 | asg | Kerr: well, lock your X session and start a new X session on :1 for them to use. |
| 22:06.22 | EdibleText | jordo23, also besure that the local filesystem perms are cool |
| 22:06.41 | jordo23 | EdibleText: It's a server on my home network. I want the least security....which mode? |
| 22:06.45 | doublehp | tobehz: consumption is not a linear func of frequency |
| 22:06.57 | EdibleText | jordo23, do the first then |
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| 22:07.08 | doublehp | tobehz: more and more core have autofreq adjustment ... |
| 22:07.22 | EdibleText | the first is allows anyone who connects to write |
| 22:07.26 | jordo23 | Edibletext: you know what the mode is called? |
| 22:07.32 | EdibleText | share i think |
| 22:07.38 | tobehz | doublehp: i said nothing of linear functions, nor tried to argue such |
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| 22:07.48 | tobehz | im only reading from the amd tech sheets |
| 22:07.48 | TGM | What is the point of /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh? The Sys clock is initalized back in /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh, and hwclock.sh jusrt seems to set the clock from cmos again (based on the boot mesage anyway). |
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| 22:07.59 | Rawplayer | lo |
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| 22:08.47 | thu | i am trying to configure my wireless nic, tried installing iwconfig but apt-get install iwconfig did not work, could anyone help? |
| 22:09.15 | juhov | thu: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 22:09.17 | dondelelcaro | TGM: hwclockfirst runs without anything mounted rw. |
| 22:09.21 | doublehp | thu apt-cache search iwconfig |
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| 22:10.03 | dondelelcaro | TGM: it's only purpose is to get the system clock set to a reasonable value... whereas hwclock can actually modify /etc/adjtime et al. |
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| 22:10.52 | thu | doublehp: thanks |
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| 22:11.10 | TGM | ok... but i don't use any of that, so it is pointless to set the clock from cmos twice. |
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| 22:12.12 | GueVolt | what is happen to debian.org? the server is down? |
| 22:12.30 | Xenguy | GueVolt: prepend www. |
| 22:12.53 | Xenguy | GueVolt: server maintenance (apparently) |
| 22:13.10 | GueVolt | Xenguy: thanks |
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| 22:13.15 | mlalkaka | hi |
| 22:13.15 | Xenguy | GueVolt: yw |
| 22:13.20 | TGM | so the dns for just 'debian.org' is temporarally incorrect? |
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| 22:13.50 | caphuso | TGM: it is correct, but the box is down |
| 22:13.53 | mlalkaka | how come in any terminal (e.g. gnome-terminal, konsole, etc) when i log in as root (by using su) the files no longer are colour-coded? |
| 22:14.05 | Xenguy | TGM: something is going on, but I have no idea what the details are |
| 22:14.09 | deadcat | mlalkaka: .bashrc .bash_profile |
| 22:14.11 | asg | mlalkaka: root's ~/.bashrc isn't set |
| 22:14.26 | asg | mlalkaka: since running as root happens so rarely, you don't need it right? |
| 22:14.27 | TGM | why is the box for d.o different than www.d.o? |
| 22:14.35 | mirak | is there a wine channel ? |
| 22:14.47 | Xenguy | mirak: #winehq |
| 22:14.48 | asg | mirak: #winehq |
| 22:14.51 | mirak | thanks |
| 22:15.07 | mlalkaka | asg, no i dont need it but it makes it more convenient when i log in as root |
| 22:15.07 | TGM | afaict those two are usually the same box, it is the other subdomains that are on diff boxen |
| 22:15.21 | GueVolt | i think the packages.debian.org is down.. right? |
| 22:15.23 | Gathond | simonrvn: http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL59U&ProcFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL, apparently a P4 1.4 Ghz uses 55W |
| 22:15.23 | asg | mlalkaka: then uncomment the relevant sections in /root/.bashrc |
| 22:15.27 | Xenguy | GueVolt: nod |
| 22:15.30 | deadcat | i think i have forgotten my root passwd on both of my machines )= |
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| 22:15.40 | asg | deadcat: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 22:15.40 | hettar | anyone know what an where the library lrmi is ? |
| 22:15.57 | Xenguy | heh |
| 22:15.57 | deadcat | asg: ya. i have sudo (= so its ok i guess. |
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| 22:16.11 | Kerr_ | err |
| 22:16.23 | asg | deadcat: yes, unless you fsck and go to single user and have to type it in. |
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| 22:16.45 | deadcat | asg: ya. (= |
| 22:16.57 | JoshH | sudo passwd root |
| 22:17.13 | Kerr_ | accidentaly did killall -9 sshd as root instead of user, to kill the dead sshd that was freezing my irssi. there is no cronjob to restart it... is there a script i can drop into my public html folder via ftp, and run to start up sshd? |
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| 22:17.20 | MrKrystal | hi |
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| 22:17.47 | EdibleText | Kerr_, how would you execute it? |
| 22:18.13 | MrKrystal | will there be some day, perhaps, with the help of god, "lazarus" , a great delphi clone in debian packages ? peace |
| 22:18.21 | Kerr_ | thats the question? |
| 22:18.31 | EdibleText | Kerr_, ah yes.. of course. |
| 22:18.32 | CxDoctor | debian doesnt seem to be aware of my usb mouse. |
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| 22:18.47 | mike | CxDoctor: do you have libusb and usb support installed? |
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| 22:18.54 | mike | CxDoctor: your kernel might be too old or crappy. |
| 22:18.55 | doublehp | Kerr any CGI I can think about will be executed as user; no user can relaunch sshd |
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| 22:18.56 | mlalkaka | asg, deadcat: thanks |
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| 22:19.03 | EdibleText | Kerr_, Linus know.. |
| 22:19.05 | EdibleText | s |
| 22:19.24 | JoshH | Kerr_: reboot. ;) |
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| 22:19.36 | JoshH | well |
| 22:19.41 | JoshH | hopefully the box isnt "remote" |
| 22:19.42 | Kerr_ | JoshH: i'll just fly to where my server is, with my mayic wings then O.o |
| 22:19.43 | EdibleText | Kerr_, youll have to root it :o |
| 22:19.43 | website | why should i use debian instead of ubuntu? |
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| 22:20.00 | MrKrystal | webmind: test both, use what you want |
| 22:20.03 | juhov | why do you think you should? |
| 22:20.05 | asg | website: I wouldn't run ubuntu on a server |
| 22:20.06 | Kerr_ | i wonder if i could execute something via one of my eggdrops. |
| 22:20.25 | doublehp | website: Ubuntu /is/ a Debian |
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| 22:20.31 | MrKrystal | how to fill in a RFP ? |
| 22:20.41 | Kerr_ | meh. |
| 22:20.43 | EdibleText | Kerr_, if you can execute anything.. you can perhaps sudo |
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| 22:20.54 | website | but if ubuntu is a debian why ubuntu and debian distributions have different names? |
| 22:20.59 | asg | MrKrystal: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 22:21.04 | JoshH | website: why dont you read about them |
| 22:21.39 | sussudio | !bear website |
| 22:21.42 | website | JoshH, i'm looking at googel |
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| 22:22.34 | JoshH | website: use linspire |
| 22:22.43 | website | linspire? |
| 22:22.50 | asg | website: for the same reason that Xandros/Knoppix/Libranet are also debians (and we don't support them here either.) |
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| 22:23.36 | website | asg, why break the work? why we should have ubuntu and debian? |
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| 22:23.48 | mike | Hi, I followed the alsa guide in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.debian |
| 22:23.52 | mike | and I get depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 22:23.54 | EdibleText | website, people want it. |
| 22:23.56 | asg | website: because some people don't like the way debian is developed internally and want to do something different. |
| 22:24.10 | asg | website: they are perfectly welcome to, of course, but we don't support their users in this channel. |
| 22:24.28 | website | asg, i'm a debian user |
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| 22:24.44 | website | for now... |
| 22:24.46 | bucky | because most people are too lazy to come up with their own esoteric package management scheme |
| 22:24.59 | MrKrystal | i did a RFP for lazarus, hope it'll be inside debian soon, as the project has born 3 years ago (!!) |
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| 22:25.18 | doublehp | website: I use both Debian and MS-Windows; the fact I have Debian on mydisk wont allow me to ask MS questions in here. Stop asking here about any thing else than Debian. |
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| 22:25.36 | website | i asked the same thing in ubuntu |
| 22:25.38 | website | channel |
| 22:25.38 | asg | website: then we will attempt to answer any questions you have about Debian. However, due to odd package arrangements, odd sources, unknown patches, and other things, we cannot realistically support Debian offshoots. |
| 22:25.56 | website | i want only to know what distro is best for me |
| 22:25.57 | asg | website: you'll get the same answer if you ask FreeBSD questions in #openbsd. |
| 22:26.04 | gravity | !best |
| 22:26.04 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 22:26.29 | vulture | website: just a matter of experimentation |
| 22:26.31 | caphuso | ubuntu isn't "best" for anyone |
| 22:26.34 | EdibleText | thats more confusing then !confuse |
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| 22:26.39 | cowbud | haha |
| 22:26.45 | JoshH | !confuse |
| 22:26.46 | asg | website: only you can answer that question by trying the ones that look interesting and seeing if they fit your needs. |
| 22:26.50 | bucky | website, why have a copy cat when you can have the real thing |
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| 22:27.00 | EdibleText | !confuse JoshH |
| 22:27.00 | dpkg | Yes, where are their gerbil yesterday, JoshH? pants of the democracy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 22:27.02 | doublehp | website: would you ask your best friend to find a girl for you ??? you are the only one knows what is good for you. Try them all, keep the best one. |
| 22:27.08 | website | bucky, it is the sam that i say to myself |
| 22:27.10 | caphuso | hell, security updates only for less than 20% of the packages |
| 22:27.21 | JoshH | heh |
| 22:27.21 | bucky | website, i agree with you |
| 22:27.30 | website | doublehp, yes but i have no eyes to see my girl |
| 22:27.44 | JoshH | website: if you already know debian, there is no pressing reason to switch to ubuntu, and vice versa |
| 22:27.47 | JoshH | now please |
| 22:27.49 | JoshH | please |
| 22:27.52 | JoshH | stop asking |
| 22:27.56 | website | -__- |
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| 22:28.52 | website | JoshH, i was just asking... |
| 22:29.38 | Nemoder | does growisofs only work with ide-scsi? |
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| 22:29.55 | EdibleText | I knew during my first install that I prefered debian to [the only other dist i had experiance with] redhat |
| 22:30.14 | paulswm | expects |
| 22:30.36 | website | EdibleText, i tried mdk, red hat and used (and using) debian for 4 years |
| 22:30.41 | Nemoder | my server still runs dnetc |
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| 22:31.20 | EdibleText | website, so your no slouch to trying different distros. Which do you prefer |
| 22:31.37 | EdibleText | s/your/you're |
| 22:31.37 | Nemoder | Does anyone know if you can burn dvds with the ATAPI interface instead of SCSI? |
| 22:31.58 | Xemacs__ | debian is the best ! |
| 22:32.09 | pipeline | Xemacs__: That's why we're here. |
| 22:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Nemoder: yes, you can. |
| 22:32.29 | hettar | anyone know what an where the library lrmi is ? |
| 22:32.31 | EdibleText | I was so glad to not dickaround with obscure rpm repositories |
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| 22:32.45 | Nemoder | dondelelcaro: whith which apps? |
| 22:32.48 | Nemoder | -h |
| 22:32.56 | paulswm | !win Xemacs__ |
| 22:32.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, Xemacs__! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:33.09 | dondelelcaro | Nemoder: cdrecord will do it, as will the pro version of cdrecord |
| 22:33.11 | Xemacs__ | there are unofficial sources for apt, that are just as bad as rpm !! |
| 22:33.14 | kerneld | !win dpkg |
| 22:33.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:33.23 | dondelelcaro | Nemoder: I think dvd+rw-tools can as well, but I've never tried it. |
| 22:33.35 | SPF | I had a question: Is it possible to connect multiple devices using one sata socket on the mainboard? |
| 22:33.45 | kerneld | !win !win dpkg |
| 22:33.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, !win dpkg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:33.47 | EdibleText | Xemacs__, no. you can add them to sources.list ant they behave.. |
| 22:33.48 | Nemoder | yea, I was dvd+rw-tools with scsi but it doesn't seem to want to work with atapi |
| 22:33.54 | dondelelcaro | kerneld: you can /msg the bot |
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| 22:34.50 | Kerr_ | dpkg: forshame, knocking spam! Good stuff for poor students. |
| 22:34.50 | dpkg | Kerr_: i don't know |
| 22:34.53 | Kerr_ | lol |
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| 22:35.19 | nokia6000 | is there a DVD iso image for debian? |
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| 22:35.45 | mlalkaka | hi again |
| 22:35.53 | mlalkaka | is there a supermount for 2.6 series kernels? |
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| 22:36.07 | PhilAway | is debian the hardest distro to install ` |
| 22:36.09 | PhilAway | just curious |
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| 22:36.21 | Nemoder | no, LFS is harder. |
| 22:36.24 | doublehp | PhilAway: no: there are Gentoo Slak and LFS |
| 22:36.25 | mlalkaka | PhilAway, i don't think so. slackware is probably the hardest |
| 22:36.38 | PhilAway | I'm going through hell here :) |
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| 22:36.41 | Usiu | Hi |
| 22:36.48 | Xemacs__ | what about knoppix |
| 22:36.53 | paulswm | PhilAway: sarge is pretty straightforward |
| 22:37.01 | mlalkaka | PhilAway, are you installing sarge? if you use sarge it's pretty easy |
| 22:37.03 | Usiu | How to make tcsh setting my gnome-terminal title ?? |
| 22:37.05 | Usiu | Any ideas ? |
| 22:37.15 | dondelelcaro | !any ideas |
| 22:37.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:37.17 | PhilAway | I'm on a 200mhz, 64mb ram laptop.... Sarge? hmm, ok |
| 22:37.20 | PhilAway | I'll browse |
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| 22:37.45 | mlalkaka | does anyone know if supermount exists for 2.6.x kernels? |
| 22:38.04 | holo | !anyone |
| 22:38.05 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:38.07 | Kerr_ | PhilAway: i ran sarge on my p1 166 laptop 'till the day it died. |
| 22:38.10 | EdibleText | PhilAway, netistall is what you want if you have access to net |
| 22:38.12 | holo | hehe :x |
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| 22:38.33 | PhilAway | EdibleText : I do have access to the net..If the network card will work |
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| 22:38.45 | EdibleText | PhilAway, netinstall then. |
| 22:38.52 | paulswm | PhilAway: that's a lot of computing power for Unix/Linux, only bloated OSes like you-know-who'se require more |
| 22:39.01 | paulswm | s/se/s/ |
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| 22:39.25 | PhilAway | :) |
| 22:39.50 | mlalkaka | the reason i ask about supermount is because i'm trying to install a program (ut2004) but the program spans many cd's. the installer is on the first cd, but midway through the installation i have to change cd's. i cant umount and mount while the installer is running. it wont let me. does anyone have a solution for this? |
| 22:39.57 | PhilAway | url with faq on netinstall with sarge? |
| 22:39.59 | Xemacs__ | well, when you require a full web browswer built into the OS ;) |
| 22:40.39 | websdale | mlalkaka: copy the CDs onto your hard disk |
| 22:41.00 | mlalkaka | websdale, there's gotta be a better way than that. there are 6 cd's |
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| 22:41.12 | paulswm | PhilAway: when my old 16 bit netwrok card arrives, I plan on installing sarge on an old laptop: 133MHz Pentium MMX, 32MB memory, 2GB HD, I don't anticipate any problems, not installing X though |
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| 22:41.32 | Xemacs__ | mlalkaka, just get the netinst iso |
| 22:41.42 | PhilAway | ok.. |
| 22:41.47 | PhilAway | what IS sarge ? |
| 22:41.58 | holo | mlalkaka, you should be using the dvd version like normal people with usual dvd-rom drives :p |
| 22:41.58 | paulswm | PhilAway: 'testing' distribution |
| 22:42.03 | paulswm | !sarge |
| 22:42.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 22:42.05 | EdibleText | PhilAway, the current testing version |
| 22:42.07 | Xemacs__ | PhilAway, read the faq, see topic |
| 22:42.19 | PhilAway | ok, so what IS netinstall anyway? |
| 22:42.28 | websdale | holo:I was going to say that :) |
| 22:42.32 | EdibleText | PhilAway, it stabilize Any Day Now(tm) |
| 22:42.40 | dvs | PhilAway: Installing Debian over the internet |
| 22:42.47 | mlalkaka | Xemacs__, i'm not trying to install debian. i'm trying to install ut2004 |
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| 22:42.59 | paulswm | PhilAway: minimal base installation from CD, rest over the internet once the installer has configured your network device |
| 22:43.02 | mlalkaka | holo, well not everyone has a dvd rom drive... yet |
| 22:43.04 | john_ | Howdy. |
| 22:43.07 | PhilAway | dvs : where and when do I decide that? |
| 22:43.20 | dvs | PhilAway: It depends which CD image you download |
| 22:43.24 | mlalkaka | has anyone in here even heard of supermount? |
| 22:43.27 | paulswm | PhilAway: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:43.28 | TGM | does anybody maintain a mirror of packages.debian.com? |
| 22:43.30 | EdibleText | !supermount |
| 22:43.31 | dpkg | [supermount] a nice patch to the kernel that the mandrake developers are working on currently. it allows to change a cd while it is mounted, which is VERY useful in wine. a patch that works for a 2.4.18 kernel can be found at http://espectro.hypermart.net/supermount.patch. README can be found at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/8144/supermount.README.txt |
| 22:43.34 | john_ | I just upgraded my kernel via apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-686. Now xfree won't start claiming that the kernel is missing agpart. |
| 22:43.44 | john_ | Anyone know how to remedy that? |
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| 22:44.07 | websdale | mlalkaka: I had a nightmare with it when I tried Mandrake & disabled it - you sure it'll do what you want? |
| 22:44.08 | mlalkaka | john_, are you using an nvidia video card? |
| 22:44.25 | john_ | mlalkaka: naw, intel 828 onboard card. |
| 22:44.32 | mlalkaka | websdale, yes because i installed the exact same program on mandrake linux with supermount set up |
| 22:44.40 | PhilAway | paulswm : ok, I'm downloading the sarge-i386-netinst.iso now |
| 22:44.47 | mlalkaka | john_, did you use any special driver? |
| 22:44.53 | websdale | mlalkaka: oh OK :) |
| 22:45.16 | SPF | Is it possible to connect multiple devices using one sata socket on the mainboard? |
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| 22:45.27 | mike_ | hi, i want to install my nvidia card. Just making sure... i want Linux IA32? |
| 22:45.36 | mike_ | from the nvidia download site |
| 22:45.42 | paulswm | PhilAway: forgive me, I don't mean to treat you as a dummy, but when you burn the CD, don't just copy the iso, you'd be surprised how many folks do that |
| 22:45.45 | john_ | mlalkaka: not that I am aware of. |
| 22:45.54 | iains | question about netinstall sarge.... it seems to be hanging at 2% on the very first 'detecting hardware to find cd-rom drives' part. says ' loading module 'yenta_socket' for ENE technology inc cardbus controller.' is this usual to hang at this point? ie. is it downloading? |
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| 22:46.01 | tictac | i got a weird problem. |
| 22:46.01 | john_ | mlalkaka: I'm using the i810 driver |
| 22:46.08 | tictac | im trying to go through a nat box. |
| 22:46.09 | mlalkaka | websdale, if i patch a 2.6.8 kernel with the supermount deb package (which is apparently meant for 2.4.x kernels) will it cause problems? i know that is a stupid question, but it's my last hope. |
| 22:46.22 | PhilAway | paulswm : so I shouldn't just burn the image ? |
| 22:46.37 | mlalkaka | john_, when you said agpart, did you mean agpgart? |
| 22:46.39 | EdibleText | tictac, what the question? |
| 22:46.40 | thingfish | mike_: it depends on your computer. that one you pointed out is for intel-based 32 bit architecture. |
| 22:46.54 | tictac | i can ping the nameservers by ip, but when i try by name i get unknown host. tcpdump doesnt even show any traffic occurred. however, i can put them in /etc/hosts and everything works great. |
| 22:47.00 | tictac | any ideas? |
| 22:47.09 | john_ | mlalkaka: yeah.. says /dev/agpgart doesn't exists. |
| 22:47.15 | EdibleText | tictac, /man resolv.conf |
| 22:47.22 | PhilAway | paulswm : holy shit, the installation was complete |
| 22:47.27 | paulswm | PhilAway: yes you should, just a lot of first timers copy the actual .iso file onto the CD, hence the caution |
| 22:47.28 | tictac | ive put them in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:47.28 | EdibleText | tictac, add a nameserver <ip> |
| 22:47.35 | PhilAway | paulswm : may I pm you? |
| 22:47.36 | tictac | same issues. |
| 22:47.37 | mike_ | thingfish: well im on a 32 bit architecture. It has support for all the cards in that one file? |
| 22:47.41 | EdibleText | tictac can you ping that ip? |
| 22:47.45 | tictac | yep |
| 22:47.50 | EdibleText | curoious |
| 22:47.51 | thingfish | mike_: yes, sure does. |
| 22:47.54 | mlalkaka | john_, when does it say that? |
| 22:47.54 | EdibleText | curious even |
| 22:47.56 | PhilAway | paulswm : hehe, copy the image on the cd... |
| 22:48.02 | paulswm | PhilAway: i'd rather we stayed in open hcannel, I'm trying to do 3 tings at once |
| 22:48.11 | websdale | mlalkaka: does supermount use a kernel module? |
| 22:48.21 | mike_ | thingfish: sweet. thanks mate |
| 22:48.27 | PhilAway | paulswm : alright |
| 22:48.31 | SPF | EdibleText, john_, paulswm can someone of you help me with sata? |
| 22:48.31 | chealer | mike_: are you sure you want to install the nvidia drivers that way? |
| 22:48.31 | chealer | !tell mike_ about nvidia |
| 22:48.33 | tictac | it doesnt even show any dns traffic on the network, so perhaps its not even looking at resolv.conf |
| 22:48.35 | PhilAway | how do I check if my system is up and running? |
| 22:48.41 | thingfish | mike_: also, see /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:48.50 | mlalkaka | websdale, i dont know. the only deb package i've found for it is in the debian sources and it is a kernel patch |
| 22:48.56 | EdibleText | SPF, asfaik one device per 'plug' |
| 22:49.06 | paulswm | PhilAway: anyway, I'm not an installation expert, just helping you get started, ask questions here |
| 22:49.12 | SPF | and what about Y-sata kabels? |
| 22:49.14 | mlalkaka | john_, are you in the console right now? |
| 22:49.17 | SPF | are they for multiple devices? |
| 22:49.27 | PhilAway | WTF ?"?!?!?!? I've just spent the whole day installing debian, and now it says "UBUNTU Warty Warthog" !? |
| 22:49.29 | PhilAway | loooooool |
| 22:49.33 | tictac | EdibleText: is there a place you can set which order to look for dns info? |
| 22:49.47 | tictac | such as resolv.conf first.. then hosts.. etc |
| 22:50.14 | JoshH | tictac: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:50.35 | tictac | ahh thats right. |
| 22:50.46 | tictac | well it looks right there, hosts: files dns |
| 22:50.58 | tictac | doesnt seem like its 'looking' at the resolv.conf though. |
| 22:51.01 | EdibleText | tictac, what is in resolv.conf |
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| 22:51.03 | JoshH | ya, so it should be looking in /etc/hosts before dns |
| 22:51.12 | tictac | nameserver 68.12.16.30 |
| 22:51.17 | PhilAway | paulswm : Are you there? |
| 22:51.17 | mlalkaka | what's the worst thing that could happen if i patched 2.6.8 kernel with a supermount patch for 2.4 series kernels? |
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| 22:51.25 | mike_ | thingfish: i don't really want to recompile my kernel to install the drivers. is there another way? |
| 22:51.26 | netcat | tictac: type this... echo "nameserver 24.217.0.5" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:51.42 | asg | mlalkaka: if the patch applies at all, I will be very surprised. |
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| 22:51.52 | websdale | mlalkaka: I'd think the kernel wouldn't boot |
| 22:52.13 | tictac | lmao. |
| 22:52.19 | mlalkaka | asg, how do i patch again? 'patch -p1 < /path/to/patch/file' ? |
| 22:52.21 | PhilAway | paulswm : after the first time Debian didn't install complete, I rebooted and tried to insert the ubuntu cd..And then I forgot about it..........Now it seems that I've installed UBUNTU from where I stopped installing debian......jesus christ |
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| 22:52.30 | tictac | mispelled nameserver on both instances. |
| 22:52.30 | tictac | sorry. |
| 22:52.32 | mlalkaka | websdale, will i get errors during compile though? |
| 22:52.49 | HankH_ | is there a way to have X startup applications automatically but only for some users? |
| 22:52.50 | EdibleText | !lart tictac |
| 22:52.53 | chealer | mike_: you've got a custom kernel? |
| 22:52.55 | asg | mlalkaka: that depends on a) where the patchfile is and b) where you are when you type it. |
| 22:52.56 | paulswm | !beat PhilAway for even having a ubuntu cd |
| 22:53.06 | juhov | mlalkaka: why would you want to use 2.4 supermount with 2.6 kernel anyway? |
| 22:53.07 | PhilAway | lol |
| 22:53.14 | PhilAway | wtf is wrong with ubuntu then ? |
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| 22:53.20 | mlalkaka | juhov, because i cant find a 2.6 supermount |
| 22:53.20 | PhilAway | :) |
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| 22:53.29 | mlalkaka | juhov, do you know of one? |
| 22:53.34 | paulswm | PhilAway: j/k of course |
| 22:53.35 | asg | PhilAway: nothing, #ubuntu will be happy to help you |
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| 22:53.53 | PhilAway | I didn't even know that I installed it |
| 22:53.57 | juhov | mlalkaka: seems to be in the same place as 2.4 supermount, supermount-ng.sf.net that is :) |
| 22:53.57 | Usiu | How to change gnome-terminal title using tcsh ???? |
| 22:53.57 | PhilAway | how wierd |
| 22:53.59 | Usiu | Any ideas ? |
| 22:54.00 | john__ | mlalkaka: hey, sry.. I tried running X -configure to see if it would select a different driver. |
| 22:54.06 | john__ | mlalkaka: now the screen is locked. |
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| 22:54.23 | hernan | hile: anyone know how to make it so bitchx alerts me when someone says my name, kind of like highlighting in mIRC? |
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| 22:54.34 | mlalkaka | john__, i believe you have to run 'modprobe agpgart' if you haven't done so already |
| 22:54.44 | mlalkaka | john__, then run startx |
| 22:54.46 | bucky | hernan, it should do that already |
| 22:54.46 | inetd | hey :) |
| 22:54.51 | hernan | really, lol |
| 22:54.52 | hernan | hah |
| 22:54.54 | iains | sarge install : so i chose 'expert' mode (mainly for the irony) and i made progress, but now it still hangs at the 'yenta_socket' install |
| 22:54.54 | bucky | and usually beeps |
| 22:54.55 | hernan | it jsut did it, thanks |
| 22:54.55 | Usiu | ? |
| 22:54.58 | Usiu | Any ideas |
| 22:54.59 | Usiu | ? |
| 22:55.12 | inetd | anyone want to post there desktops here ? :) |
| 22:55.12 | hernan | thank you bucky |
| 22:55.14 | iains | is this something i can download rather than go from the cd? |
| 22:55.14 | deadcat | inetd: things are good on the laptop. gdm/xine/openoffice/etc all working with dpi 75 |
| 22:55.24 | nix | hi |
| 22:55.29 | deadcat | inetd: http://gallery.sshonly.sytes.net/linux/screenshots/ |
| 22:55.29 | john__ | mlalkaka: ah.. I bet the reason it wasn't working is i thought it was agpart, so i did modprobe agpart, not agpgart. hehe i'll give that a shot. |
| 22:55.33 | inetd | deadcat: sweet :) |
| 22:55.38 | nix | i have a question about iptables and amule... |
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| 22:55.53 | nix | someone can help me please? |
| 22:56.01 | asg | iains: there is an option to disable pcmcia testing (F6 or F7 at the installer boot: prompt) |
| 22:56.04 | mlalkaka | john__, if that works then add agpgart to /etc/modules and that way the agpgart module will load everytime you restart your computer automatically |
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| 22:56.15 | mlalkaka | john__, if that's what you would like, that is |
| 22:56.22 | EdibleText | nix, ask firchrissakes |
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| 22:56.26 | john__ | mlalkaka: indeed :) |
| 22:56.47 | nix | firchrissakes? |
| 22:56.58 | EdibleText | oh hes not in .. |
| 22:57.01 | EdibleText | !ask nix |
| 22:57.09 | mlalkaka | juhov, where did you find that site lol i couldn't find it. |
| 22:57.28 | juhov | mlalkaka: followed through cko patchset's page :) |
| 22:57.32 | EdibleText | nix, ask your question |
| 22:57.34 | nix | how can open tcp and udp port in iptables for highid in amule? |
| 22:57.38 | iains | asg: there is! |
| 22:57.42 | mlalkaka | could the dpkg bot be updated so that "supermount" returns the url supermount-ng.sourceforge.net please |
| 22:57.47 | nix | i'm under local net |
| 22:57.58 | asg | iains: if I remember correctly, yes. pcmcia_disable or something similar |
| 22:58.09 | paulswm | EdibleText: well *I* got it and thought it was funny |
| 22:58.12 | nix | what is commands for open ports? |
| 22:58.25 | inetd | deadcat: whats your window manager? it seems you got bit of openbox and gnome? |
| 22:58.27 | asg | !supermount |
| 22:58.27 | dpkg | supermount is probably a nice patch to the kernel that the mandrake developers are working on currently. it allows to change a cd while it is mounted, which is VERY useful in wine. a patch that works for a 2.4.18 kernel can be found at http://espectro.hypermart.net/supermount.patch. README can be found at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/8144/supermount.README.txt |
| 22:58.43 | caphuso | nix: command for what? |
| 22:58.54 | asg | dpkg, supermount is also <reply>see http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net |
| 22:58.55 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 22:59.04 | mlewis00 | I am having a problem with how fonts are displayed in man pages, web pages, etc. ... it does not seem to matter what locale I choose for the default, I still get non-printable characters in simple ascii text documents (i.e. '-', '*', displayed as '?' or non-printable :( |
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| 22:59.17 | iains | asg : hmmmmmmmm.... doesn't seem to stop it hanging... |
| 22:59.19 | nix | to open 1 tcp and 1 udp port of my iptables ...for amule |
| 22:59.21 | pole | what do you do when a mount point is no longer responding (nfs lost connection or something...) and i want to remount it? |
| 22:59.30 | mlalkaka | juhov, what's cko's patchset page? |
| 22:59.30 | iains | asg: still looking for the cardbus controller |
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| 22:59.51 | caphuso | nix: -j ACCEPT |
| 22:59.51 | asg | iains: hmmm, maybe #debian-boot knows a workaround then. |
| 23:00.14 | hernan | anyone know how to make it so i can run two instances of a ventrilo server in one machine with one ip? the program doesnt let you change the port it runs on |
| 23:00.17 | nix | but in command line of root?... what is the file? |
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| 23:00.33 | mlalkaka | do i need kernel headers if i already installed my kernel-source package and untared/bziped it? |
| 23:00.36 | nix | i'm a newbie |
| 23:00.54 | spoopin | nix: there's some really useful docs at netfilter.org |
| 23:01.26 | juhov | asg: http://espectro.hypermart.net/supermount.patch returns 403 by the way |
| 23:01.28 | juhov | mlalkaka: http://kem.p.lodz.pl/~peter/cko/ |
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| 23:01.53 | nix | netfilter doc isn't easy... |
| 23:02.01 | hernan | anyone know how to make it so i can run two instances of a ventrilo server in one machine with one ip? the program doesnt let you change the port it runs on |
| 23:02.12 | nix | i try to read that... but... |
| 23:02.18 | mlalkaka | who should i talk to to update the dpkg bot factoids? |
| 23:02.32 | spoopin | nix: but what? |
| 23:02.41 | EdibleText | paulswm, I was reminded of that one character in " The Catcher in the Rye" |
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| 23:03.18 | john_ | mlalkaka: Hmm.. modprobe worked, but startx still fails with the same errors.. and some more |
| 23:03.23 | spoopin | nix: Invest the time. You'll be glad you did. |
| 23:03.39 | mlalkaka | what errors> |
| 23:03.50 | mlalkaka | john_, what errors? |
| 23:03.50 | nix | what is "iptables configuration scripts"? |
| 23:03.57 | EdibleText | paulswm, SETI? :P |
| 23:04.00 | juhov | john_: did you load just the agpgart module? |
| 23:04.07 | hool | hm.. i guess there's a special X-server or module for the Readon range cards? |
| 23:04.21 | juhov | because you need a chipset specific agp module too i think |
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| 23:05.07 | john_ | mlalkaka: skipping ".../libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o": No symbols found. |
| 23:05.11 | Azar | question: when I do apt-get upgrade, some packages are kept back. Why so? because I might already have the latest versions of them? |
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| 23:05.21 | paulswm | EdibleText: pooh & eeyore are two of my boxes, setting up to participate in this: http://www.distributed.net/ |
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| 23:05.46 | inetd | deadcat: do you use limewire? |
| 23:05.46 | john_ | mlalkaka: then (EE) GARTInit: unable to open /dev/agpgart (no such device) |
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| 23:06.22 | mlalkaka | john_, i'm out of ideas. what was the driver again? |
| 23:06.23 | john_ | mlalkaka: then tells me to make sure my kernel has agpgart support and that the module is loaded |
| 23:06.35 | john_ | juhov: yeah I only loaded the agpgart module. |
| 23:06.38 | mlalkaka | john_, what kernel are you using? |
| 23:06.50 | ExxonE | I am running Ubuntu GNU/Linux in a GNOME shell, and I cant play a movie in the Totem-player... |
| 23:06.52 | EdibleText | paulswm, whats the challenge? |
| 23:06.54 | deadcat | inetd: some times i use it to download some mp3s |
| 23:07.14 | EdibleText | paulswm, that you are participating in.. |
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| 23:07.20 | john_ | mlalkaka: 2.6.8-2-686 |
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| 23:08.10 | jhawk | john_ try ati-agp |
| 23:08.15 | inetd | deadcat: ic...what about other downloads? movies,etc.. ? |
| 23:08.18 | john_ | jhawk: but I don't have an ati card. |
| 23:08.28 | juhov | john_: try modprobe intel-agp too |
| 23:08.33 | EdibleText | I bet the guy with 60 emachines in his moms basement will win :) |
| 23:08.39 | deadcat | inetd: bt and newsgroup |
| 23:08.44 | john_ | juhov: oo that worked and gave me some promising output. |
| 23:08.44 | mlalkaka | john_, hmm. i'm not sure. that's the same version as me |
| 23:08.44 | jhawk | nevermind my mistake |
| 23:08.50 | inetd | deadcat: k |
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| 23:09.07 | paulswm | EdibleText: it's encryption-busting, the server doles out work units to participating computers on the internet, a huge distributed computing environment basically, and if your computer is the one which ultimately finds the solution you get a share of the prize, got the idea from greycat's home page |
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| 23:09.25 | john_ | mlalkaka: intel-agp did the trick. |
| 23:09.44 | mlalkaka | juhov, the versions at supermount-ng.sf.net are for 2.6.1 and 2.6.2. will 2.6.2 work with 2.6.8? |
| 23:09.45 | john_ | mlalkaka: now it says no such device as /dev/psaux |
| 23:09.49 | mlalkaka | john_, ahh good thinking |
| 23:09.50 | john_ | mlalkaka: should I be using udev with this kernel? |
| 23:09.59 | john_ | mlalkaka: it was juhov's good thinking. |
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| 23:10.08 | mlalkaka | juhov, good thinking |
| 23:10.36 | mlewis00 | What controls Debian's choice of fonts and / or the capability of the current font to display a particular character? |
| 23:10.50 | mlalkaka | john_, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 . press enter to all the options until you get to mouse and choose /dev/input/mice . i'm assuming that ur using a usb mouse? |
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| 23:11.14 | john_ | mlalkaka: no.. Because when I set it up originally it was on debian's 2.2.20 kernel so libusb didn't work. |
| 23:11.27 | john_ | mlalkaka: I guess now that i've gone up to 2.6 I could (and probably should) |
| 23:11.30 | john_ | but.. do I need udev? |
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| 23:11.47 | paulswm | EdibleText: here's one of the projects for example: http://www.distributed.net/rc5/ |
| 23:11.53 | mlalkaka | john_, i'm using udev i believe. i dont know how to check |
| 23:12.10 | mlalkaka | juhov, the versions at supermount-ng.sf.net are for 2.6.1 and 2.6.2. will 2.6.2 work with 2.6.8? |
| 23:12.11 | john_ | mlalkaka: I'm just not aware of the specifics of this kernel-image.. |
| 23:12.16 | juhov | mlalkaka: yes i think it does |
| 23:12.28 | juhov | mlalkaka: though i didn't download it from there as i use the cko patchset |
| 23:12.45 | mlalkaka | juhov, what else does a patchset give me? |
| 23:12.48 | juhov | mlalkaka: but it seems to be the same version of supermount, and i use 2.6.10 |
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| 23:13.35 | juhov | mlalkaka: check the web page :) |
| 23:13.46 | mlalkaka | juhov, i did |
| 23:14.50 | juhov | well then you know as much about it as i :) |
| 23:15.27 | mlalkaka | juhov, k thanks. :) |
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| 23:16.46 | paulswm | EdibleText: seems like a good way to use dead CPU time, I mean it doesn't cost anything to get in the game, and I just think the whole idea is really cool |
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| 23:17.31 | mlewis00 | What controls the capability of the current font to display a particular character? Is it the locale setting? |
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| 23:18.24 | usuario | Hello. I am having a problem with libsdl for all games that need libsdl such as pydance, games based pygames, a non python game: flightgear flight simulator etc, they are all similar to this warning: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open sharedobject file: No such file or directory. What are some step i can take to fix this libsdl problem? |
| 23:18.49 | john_ | mlalkaka: Hmm.. I can't seem to find a working mouse device.. |
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| 23:19.40 | netsurfer | packages.debian.org is down ? |
| 23:19.48 | john_ | mlalkaka: I'm gonna see if installing udev helps. |
| 23:20.08 | mlalkaka | john_, yeah i'm pretty sure i have it installed to |
| 23:20.48 | deadcat | netsurfer: /topic |
| 23:21.04 | netsurfer | oops |
| 23:21.55 | mlalkaka | can you patch a .patch.gz file? or do i have to ungzip it first? |
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| 23:22.54 | john_ | mlalkaka: brb |
| 23:22.59 | mlalkaka | k |
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| 23:23.25 | ebenezer | I have one user with an entry in /etc/passwd, but ps reports processes owned by that user show up as the number (106) rather than the username. Any idea why that might be? |
| 23:23.34 | shingouz | jigdoing sarge but this is what i get: "Connecting to gluck.debian.org[192.25.206.10]:80... failed: Connection timed out." |
| 23:23.34 | shingouz | Any way to get past this as the jigdo has been giving me such barfs for hours now? |
| 23:23.55 | juhov | shingouz: see topic |
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| 23:24.18 | shingouz | juhov: ah |
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| 23:24.41 | addNtoX | hi folks |
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| 23:24.52 | juhov | i don't know a real answer though, maybe you just have to wait :) |
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| 23:25.15 | shingouz | i can interrupt jigdo and pick it up from where i left i think |
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| 23:26.01 | pipeline | jigdo is a pain in the butt. Use bit torrent. |
| 23:26.30 | hool | my apted x-window-system-core and my readon has issues.. :( |
| 23:26.33 | hool | i want my x |
| 23:26.42 | pipeline | That's not very descriptive. |
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| 23:26.50 | pipeline | Ask a more detailed question, hool. |
| 23:27.07 | green_earz | shingouz: try www.gluck.debian.or with jigdo may be the url is incorrect ? |
| 23:27.10 | hool | just a min.. waiting for errormsges |
| 23:27.38 | shingouz | green_earz: i have no clue on how to point jigdo to that url |
| 23:27.39 | gevaerts | shingouz: gluck.debian.org is down until monday |
| 23:27.46 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.06 | inetd | wonder if there is a slashdot channel..hmm |
| 23:28.14 | shingouz | i'll go look for the last two images in a ready made form in case i get lucky ;) |
| 23:28.55 | hool | " XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining." |
| 23:29.08 | mlalkaka | is it possible to un-patch something? |
| 23:29.13 | green_earz | shingouz: have a look for the bittorents iso |
| 23:29.36 | juhov | mlalkaka: patch -R as in reverse |
| 23:30.03 | shingouz | luckily im not in too much of a hurry in this case with the cd's |
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| 23:30.16 | shingouz | i'll check bittorent too in anycase |
| 23:30.22 | mlalkaka | juhov, do i have to put the -p1 there as well? |
| 23:30.31 | juhov | mlalkaka: yes |
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| 23:30.45 | green_earz | shingouz: have you down loaded the two file fist from http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
| 23:30.52 | hool | i musta done something wrong.. last time i did this there was much less hassle |
| 23:30.54 | lakcaj | Hi. Is there a way to use apt or aptitude to remove all dependencies that have been installed, but were not removed when I removed the programs that caused them to be installed in the first place? |
| 23:31.03 | lakcaj | Basically, I'm trying to do some house-keeping. |
| 23:31.26 | shingouz | green_earz: i think so, at least i already have 12 of the 14 cd images here |
| 23:31.33 | juhov | lakcaj: debfoster and deborphan might help |
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| 23:31.43 | shingouz | the last two are missing only a few files... :( |
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| 23:32.38 | petemc | lakcaj: check out debfoster or deborphan, and look into using aptitude |
| 23:32.58 | petemc | oops, juhov said that |
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| 23:33.30 | paulswm | petemc: yeah, I was typing the same thing but juhov responded with blazing speed :) |
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| 23:33.35 | petemc | :) |
| 23:33.39 | juhov | :) |
| 23:33.44 | lakcaj | juhov, petemc: Thanks. |
| 23:33.45 | petemc | im a lil drunk |
| 23:33.49 | paulswm | !beer juhov |
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| 23:34.16 | paulswm | bet it's cold in Finland |
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| 23:34.28 | petemc | its pretty cold in ireland |
| 23:34.34 | green_earz | shingouz: cd to where the sarge-i386-X.iso file is X the cd version |
| 23:34.37 | juhov | not really, -6 celsius here now |
| 23:34.37 | christor | Please I have some porblem to do work my apache ssl |
| 23:34.41 | mlalkaka | juhov, i run patch from the root of the source tree right? |
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| 23:34.58 | juhov | mlalkaka: yes |
| 23:35.12 | Azar | :) somehow I got Debian 3.1 through upgrades yay! |
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| 23:35.14 | cafuego | it's less then half the temperature here now than it was last wednesday. |
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| 23:35.27 | Azar | cafuego, 3.1 is the sarge, right? |
| 23:35.27 | green_earz | shingouz: sorry sarge-i386-X.jigdo |
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| 23:35.37 | Emiml | hello |
| 23:35.38 | paulswm | here it's currently 18:35 and 18 Celsius :) |
| 23:35.53 | cafuego | Azar: Yes. And Sid ;-) |
| 23:36.00 | christor | I have installed apache2 using apt-get install apache2... and my apache works. I have created a symbolic link between mods-available/ssl* mods-enables and restart apache but apache not listen on portr 443? |
| 23:36.02 | cafuego | 10:36 and 16C |
| 23:36.04 | Azar | thanks cafuego :) |
| 23:36.15 | tomb0y | any idea where to look on how to fix this. shell-init: could not get current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
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| 23:36.26 | juhov | we finally got some snow in southern finland, winter without snow is depressing :) |
| 23:36.26 | shingouz | green_earz: heh... i have those. i'm not in too much of a rush to get the last two images though, |
| 23:36.27 | Emiml | Anyone have some experience with upgrading hard disk in cumputer, and so moving grub to another disk ? |
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| 23:36.40 | bohan | hi, i'm uploading a source package to an unofficial debian archive and lintian gives me these warnings: W: psycle source: changelog-should-mention-nmu, and W: psycle source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.0.310. i found that NMU means non-maintainer upload, but i don't know what this is about |
| 23:36.43 | paulswm | cafuego: I must visit Oz some day |
| 23:36.59 | Emiml | tomb0y: probably you have deleted directory above |
| 23:37.21 | cafuego | paulswm: Be sure to visit when it's not 40C |
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| 23:37.38 | cafuego | paulswm: Try Broome (Northwest WA) in June. |
| 23:37.41 | tomb0y | emiml: it happens if i just try to run emacs, or apt-get or just about anything. |
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| 23:38.05 | tomb0y | emiml: nm |
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| 23:38.17 | paulswm | cafuego: will take your advice. I have family in Sidney, Perth and Melbourne but never visited |
| 23:38.23 | n0mad` | i've got a little stupid problem. When i logout from my shell, why my bash shell do not process /etc/bash_logout file? |
| 23:38.34 | kulk | good night |
| 23:38.34 | paulswm | cafuego: Oh, and Darwin |
| 23:38.43 | paulswm | kulk: g'night |
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| 23:39.16 | mlalkaka | juhov, what if some hunks failed? |
| 23:39.20 | lucasvv | Good night to everyone from a rather rainy Amstelveen, The Netherlands! |
| 23:39.27 | bohan | n0mad`, iirc, bash only executes ~/.bash_logout, and nothing from /etc ... but i might be wrong |
| 23:39.36 | kulk | well I not speak english very well butĦĦĦĦ |
| 23:39.40 | caphuso | n0mad`: because it's not login shell? |
| 23:39.45 | Emiml | tomb0y: what does stat $PWD/.. says, what filesystem ? |
| 23:39.47 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.50 | paulswm | lucasvv: good night, Dutch friend |
| 23:40.04 | kulk | I have a problem |
| 23:40.05 | n0mad` | caphuso, nope, it's my login shell |
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| 23:40.25 | lucasvv | I have a problem connecting to packages.debian.org - is it up to me, or can I blame some other computer? |
| 23:40.38 | juhov | mlalkaka: so you first applied some patch and then reversed it? what did you do with the source in between? |
| 23:40.52 | mlewis00 | lucasvv: See /topic |
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| 23:41.12 | shingouz | green_earz: thanks, i'll write that one down |
| 23:41.15 | somiaj | what is the proper way to clean up the logs? I don't want to just delte the files and mess something up. |
| 23:41.17 | caphuso | n0mad`: ah, try /etc/bash.bash_logout instead |
| 23:41.27 | mlalkaka | juhov, i started over actually. so i extracted the source, then patched it and some hunks failed |
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| 23:41.53 | deadcat | .bash_logout |
| 23:41.55 | lucasvv | mlewis00: Hm. Ok. Thanks. |
| 23:41.58 | n0mad` | caphuso, ok, i'll try it... i find /etc/bash_logout on the bash's man pages :) |
| 23:42.00 | lucasvv | :) |
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| 23:42.09 | mlewis00 | lucasvv: :) |
| 23:42.18 | EMH_Mark3 | hi.. can anyone tell me how to disable encryption with ssh? |
| 23:42.31 | deadcat | EMH_Mark3: dont use ssh. use telnet then |
| 23:42.35 | green_earz | shingouz: run jigdo and put its read out in #flood if you want to |
| 23:42.40 | EMH_Mark3 | telnet doesn't work very well to copy files |
| 23:42.45 | caphuso | n0mad`: file a bug |
| 23:42.49 | paulswm | EMH_Mark3: ftp |
| 23:42.52 | deadcat | EMH_Mark3: rcp and all the r commands |
| 23:43.00 | juhov | mlalkaka: ah. well it's possible the supermount patch doesn't work with that kernel version... i don't know really |
| 23:43.04 | deadcat | EMH_Mark3: even rsync |
| 23:43.10 | shingouz | green_earz: not really needed, getting the last two images from the net already as isos |
| 23:43.15 | shingouz | ty anyways :) |
| 23:43.24 | juhov | mlalkaka: what i do know is that 2.6.10-cko3 works for me and has supermount :) |
| 23:43.31 | EMH_Mark3 | hm my version of rcp seems to point to scp.. |
| 23:43.34 | green_earz | ok |
| 23:43.49 | EMH_Mark3 | isn't there a null cipher than can be used |
| 23:43.50 | deadcat | EMH_Mark3: you have to uninstall ssh. because rcp is alternative to scp |
| 23:44.04 | mlalkaka | juhov, well the thing is that there's no cko patch for 2.6.8. there's only some for 2.6.8.1 |
| 23:44.17 | deadcat | EMH_Mark3: no. ssh is design with encryption i think. thats why they have the r command utils |
| 23:44.29 | EMH_Mark3 | but they're mutually exclusive |
| 23:44.39 | kulk | asi es para debian-es /join # debian-es |
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| 23:44.46 | kulk | pal ke kache es |
| 23:44.49 | deadcat | si |
| 23:44.51 | caphuso | mlalkaka: 2.6.8.1 is a bugfix release for 2.6.8, only 5 lines in a single file changed between those two |
| 23:44.58 | christor | Please need halp to configure my apache2-ssl ? |
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| 23:45.06 | juhov | mlalkaka: upgrade ;) |
| 23:45.12 | deadcat | christor: dpkg-reconfigure apache2-ssl ? |
| 23:45.16 | gevaerts | EMH_Mark3: install rsh-client or rsh-redone-client |
| 23:45.19 | lucasvv | Since I can't search any packages online this weekend... Is there an apt-cache command to search for file names in all packages that are available? |
| 23:45.21 | Azathot | what's the proper syntax to extract a bz2 file with tar? |
| 23:45.24 | christor | deadcat already done |
| 23:45.32 | kvn[0] | Why are trying to disable the encryption on ssh? |
| 23:45.33 | green_earz | shingouz: all the best and you will get a grip of jigdo in time |
| 23:45.34 | Azathot | tar -xj file.tar.bz2? |
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| 23:45.42 | paulswm | I have a program that I don't want to accidentally run as root, how do I stop that from happening, can't think straight tonight |
| 23:45.46 | christor | deadcat: next I have restart apache without succes , my linux doesn t listen on port 443 |
| 23:45.49 | gevaerts | lucasvv: try apt-file |
| 23:45.50 | mlalkaka | juhov, my current kernel is 2.6.8-2-686. isn't it already upgraded? or should it be 2.6.8.1-x-686? |
| 23:45.50 | lucasvv | tar -xjf filename |
| 23:45.51 | juhov | azathot: tar xjf x.tar.bz2 |
| 23:46.09 | hool | "could not find font path element unix/:7100, removeing from list!" |
| 23:46.14 | deadcat | kvn[0]: speed for one reason but thats why theres rsync/rsh/rcp |
| 23:46.15 | hool | what am i missing? |
| 23:46.16 | EMH_Mark3 | so why the frell can't scp send in plaintext |
| 23:46.22 | Ch4neKe | someone knows how long is packages.debian.org not working? |
| 23:46.26 | EMH_Mark3 | kinda limited for no reason isn't it |
| 23:46.28 | Azathot | thanks |
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| 23:46.41 | juhov | mlalkaka: the latter |
| 23:46.46 | simonrvn | Ch4neKe: /topic |
| 23:46.46 | deadcat | EMH_Mark3: time to write your own tools. |
| 23:46.54 | Ch4neKe | simonrvn: sorry, thanks |
| 23:47.03 | mlalkaka | juhov, *sigh* how come it's not in the debian sources? |
| 23:47.14 | paulswm | EMH_Mark3: it wouldn't be secure copy if it sent in plain text |
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| 23:47.28 | lucasvv | gevaerts: thanks |
| 23:47.38 | juhov | mlalkaka: unstable has 2.6.10 so you could just as well get that i guess. if you use sid that is |
| 23:47.39 | deadcat | paulswm: good one (= maybe he should try icp or something hehe |
| 23:47.50 | useruser | I have a dir /foo and the locate database doesn't contain all of the files in /foo. There's nothing mentioning /foo in /etc/updatedb.conf and I just ran /etc/cron.daily/find. What could be wrong? |
| 23:47.54 | EMH_Mark3 | true enough, but if I don't want to send encrypted I have to uninstall the ssh packages? that's just stupid |
| 23:48.10 | gevaerts | EMH_Mark3: install rsh-client |
| 23:48.12 | paulswm | EMH_Mark3: you can use ftp |
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| 23:48.32 | paulswm | deadcat: heh |
| 23:48.35 | pipeline | EMH_Mark3: Use rcp instead of scp. Scp is an encrypted replacement for rcp, so it's kind of obvious that it doesn't do unencrypted traffic. |
| 23:48.40 | Chewie[] | will XFCE 4.2 ever make it into Testing? |
| 23:48.46 | pipeline | EMH_Mark3: You'll have to run a portmap daemon to use rcp, however. |
| 23:48.49 | pipeline | Ch4neKe: Yes. |
| 23:48.53 | cafuego | Chewie[]: Doubtful. |
| 23:48.58 | deadcat | christor: eb http://www.os-works.com/debian testing main |
| 23:48.58 | shingouz | green_earz: i did the man-routine already but i was just getting a bit wierded out by the very pesistent barf. goes to show the topic is there to be read at least a couple of times a day ;) |
| 23:49.03 | Chewie[] | cafuego: why? |
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| 23:49.06 | deadcat | ^eb^deb |
| 23:49.12 | paulswm | pipeline: especially as scp runs on the ssh transport |
| 23:49.21 | pipeline | paulswm: That too. |
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| 23:49.32 | cafuego | Chewie[]: Not enough time before release. |
| 23:49.50 | EMH_Mark3 | well I still say it's kind of dumb. oh well |
| 23:50.08 | deadcat | Chewie[]: use that unofficial source to get 4.2 on testing. |
| 23:50.30 | Chewie[] | cafuego: release? i'm not 'wit da scene' right now. |
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| 23:50.48 | deadcat | Chewie[]: wit da scene? wath the fuck is that? |
| 23:50.48 | Chewie[] | deadcat: i might have to. heh. |
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| 23:51.16 | Chewie[] | deadcat: heh. i've got no idea what's going on with the Debian releases right now. |
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| 23:51.28 | Rawplayer | how can i let apt-get also install new init.d script? |
| 23:51.35 | Chewie[] | deadcat: haven't been here in a while. |
| 23:51.54 | deadcat | Rawplayer: you dont. it comes with the package |
| 23:52.10 | paulswm | Rawplayer: if that means you want to install your own init.d script, man update-rc.d |
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| 23:52.33 | Rawplayer | deadcat: i want to install nfs-common but it starts moaning that the script isnt there |
| 23:52.36 | cafuego | Chewie[]: Sarge is being prepeared for release as 'stable'. Adding new unstable software would delay it even more then it has been already. |
| 23:52.38 | Rawplayer | in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 23:52.53 | deadcat | Rawplayer: you kidding me. |
| 23:52.54 | green_earz | shingouz: the fun starts when you build from a locally mounted .iso |
| 23:52.57 | deadcat | Rawplayer: works fine here. |
| 23:53.04 | Rawplayer | lies! |
| 23:53.07 | Rawplayer | ok sec |
| 23:53.08 | caphuso | Rawplayer: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/nfs-common*.deb |
| 23:53.13 | Chewie[] | cafuego: ahh. that makes sense. hmm. maybe i need to move to Unstable. heh. |
| 23:53.26 | green_earz | shingouz: fun ?? |
| 23:53.27 | Rawplayer | caphuso: but that wouldnt install a new script |
| 23:53.30 | Rawplayer | or will it? |
| 23:53.35 | deadcat | Chewie[]: unstable dont have 4.2 either (= |
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| 23:53.50 | Chewie[] | deadcat: but it would have it sooner, no? |
| 23:53.55 | rdancer | is there any rational reason the kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 kernel hasn't been updated for so long? |
| 23:53.55 | deadcat | Chewie[]: true. |
| 23:54.05 | zOap | hile, if a file is just named "configure |
| 23:54.05 | zOap | 2 |
| 23:54.14 | deadcat | Rawplayer: rdancer because no one use it no more (= |
| 23:54.15 | rdancer | (therefore it contains so many published security holes) |
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| 23:54.32 | zOap | hile, if a file is named just "configure", what do i type to execute it? |
| 23:54.35 | caphuso | rdancer: for example? |
| 23:54.37 | cafuego | Chewie[]: No, it will eventually have it. if sarge reelases without 4.2, it will NEVER get in. Ever. Unstable will doubtlessly not get it either until AFTER sarge reelases. |
| 23:54.40 | zOap | hile, i mean.. not hile... |
| 23:54.43 | deadcat | zOap: ./configure |
| 23:54.51 | zOap | deadcat: thnx:) |
| 23:54.59 | Rawplayer | deadcat: you used tab to much? |
| 23:55.04 | Rawplayer | or was it pointing at me? |
| 23:55.05 | paulswm | rdancer: because that's an old kernel image, and jernel images don't get automatically updated, you have to specifically install them |
| 23:55.12 | paulswm | s/jern/kern/ |
| 23:55.14 | cafuego | rdancer: The debian 2.4.18 kernel should have those holes plugged. |
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| 23:55.32 | deadcat | Rawplayer: explain |
| 23:55.34 | shingouz | green_earz: i still have a long way to go before i start mastering my own isos |
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| 23:55.37 | cafuego | rdancer: I'm sure it's up to beyond kernel-image-2.4.18-3-386 now. |
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| 23:55.58 | Paco | hi everyone |
| 23:56.04 | rdancer | caphuso: CAN-2004-1235, for example |
| 23:56.15 | paulswm | rdancer: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 23:56.23 | rdancer | paulswm: stfu |
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| 23:56.31 | zOap | deadcat: ok, im trying to install python2.4 and i get the error: c++ compiler cannot create executables... What is wrong with my system? |
| 23:56.36 | cafuego | rdancer: http://security.debian.org/ |
| 23:56.37 | fishhead | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:56.39 | rdancer | cafuego: it's as plugged as an ementaller |
| 23:56.40 | fishhead | yeah paulswm |
| 23:56.44 | Lo_Meinix | hello |
| 23:56.45 | deadcat | zOap: why not juse use apt-get to install it? |
| 23:56.49 | fishhead | YOU GOT TP HELL AND YOU DIE |
| 23:56.51 | fishhead | TO |
| 23:56.58 | paulswm | rdancer: wtf is that about? |
| 23:56.59 | cafuego | fishhead: Why? |
| 23:57.14 | fishhead | just cause |
| 23:57.14 | deadcat | fishhead: go fuck yourself asshole. |
| 23:57.18 | Paco | how do i find the directory where my kernel is located? |
| 23:57.20 | gravity | Whoa... calm down |
| 23:57.30 | green_earz | shingouz: the .iso you are downloading with out jido have they get a MD5SUMS file for a sum check best if they have ? |
| 23:57.34 | deadcat | Paco: /usr/src |
| 23:57.34 | zOap | deadcat: because i get error then too. the Makefile doesnt exist in the /usr/lib/Pythonxxx/config/... |
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| 23:57.56 | deadcat | zOap: you get error apt-get install python? your box is fucked. |
| 23:58.06 | shingouz | green_earz: yup, the md5sums are there. havent checked the images yet tho |
| 23:58.10 | fishhead | how about I fuck you up and packet you |
| 23:58.12 | fishhead | asshole |
| 23:58.13 | paulswm | geez |
| 23:58.18 | cafuego | fishhead: why? |
| 23:58.19 | zOap | deadcat: no., but it doesnt copy all files, like Makefile |
| 23:58.20 | rdancer | can i view the changelog.Debian of a package without actually downloading the whole of it? |
| 23:58.24 | fishhead | deadcat |
| 23:58.25 | deadcat | fishhead: bring it assshit |
| 23:58.33 | Paco | when i cd to that directory and press 's,' nothing pops up which inidicates its the kernel. |
| 23:58.34 | cafuego | deadcat: /ignore fishhead all |
| 23:58.38 | cafuego | fishhead: /ignore deadcat all |
| 23:58.39 | gravity | fishhead: Stop it |
| 23:58.43 | fishhead | PHEAR! |
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| 23:58.51 | hool | hmm.. where did all the nice geeks go and where came all those angry irate lamers with attitiudes come from? :( |
| 23:58.53 | green_earz | shingouz: is it woody you are downloading ? or sarge iso |
| 23:58.58 | deadcat | cafuego: i have a better idea, kick/band him or me (= |
| 23:58.58 | shingouz | sarge |
| 23:59.00 | paulswm | !win hool |
| 23:59.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, hool! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 23:59.09 | rdancer | !fuck fishhead |
| 23:59.14 | sgeigerbot | hool: congrats |
| 23:59.14 | inetd | hmm |
| 23:59.14 | cafuego | IF YOU NEED TO FUCK, GET A PRIVATE CHANNEL! |
| 23:59.16 | deadcat | zOap: are you trying to compile python or install it? |
| 23:59.16 | Lo_Meinix | hool they're coming in from south of the border....damn ferners |
| 23:59.17 | fishhead | deadcat I could get you klined |
| 23:59.17 | sussudio | !bear hool |
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| 23:59.34 | zOap | im trying to install it because getmail needs it |
| 23:59.38 | deadcat | fishhead: thats fine with me. sooner the better |
| 23:59.38 | fishhead | CANUCK |
| 23:59.39 | Lo_Meinix | Hey root! |
| 23:59.41 | hool | im a old man.. i demand ...................... stuff i can't remember right now but i still demand 'em =) |
| 23:59.46 | zOap | deadcat: ^ |
| 23:59.46 | Paco | (fishhead): /usr/src/ has nothing which indicates kernel..to check, i typed 'ls.' |
| 23:59.50 | cafuego | !ops fishhead troll |
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| 23:59.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fishhead troll |
| 23:59.56 | zOap | deadcat: install.. |
