| 00:00.02 | dondelelcaro | fishhead: stop it already. You won't be warned again. |
| 00:00.09 | deadcat | zOap: cant you just apt-get install getmail? |
| 00:00.11 | fishhead | neither will you |
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| 00:00.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:00.17 | hool | sussudio, isn't it spelled "beer" young man??? 0_o |
| 00:00.17 | rdancer | heh |
| 00:00.21 | paulswm | hool: bet I'm older and with a worse memory |
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| 00:00.25 | sussudio | hool: nein |
| 00:00.31 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 00:00.34 | duncf | fishhead: ow |
| 00:00.36 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:00.37 | zOap | yeah, but then i get version 2.2 or something.. |
| 00:00.38 | sgeigerbot | I should have known that sussudio would be in on this conversation. |
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| 00:00.48 | hool | paulswm, just when you think you're the oldest fart on IRC someone has to be older and even more senile ;) |
| 00:00.50 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: np... figured that I'd be nice and warn... but didn't really take any time. |
| 00:00.50 | zOap | python that is.. |
| 00:00.54 | deadcat | zOap: as long as they work right? (=.. are you on woody? |
| 00:00.58 | green_earz | shingouz: i build copy of the first three cds and the tow dvd iso |
| 00:00.59 | shingouz | i sure like mode +q on irc ;) |
| 00:01.10 | paulswm | rdancer: I'm still wondering why you want me to stfu, was just trying to help |
| 00:01.13 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I think he got the fastworking "I'm bored" virus. |
| 00:01.14 | zOap | deadcat: yeah, and they dont work right.. |
| 00:01.27 | Lo_Meinix | holy shit.....my alsa modules finally compiled without complaint......amazing! |
| 00:01.30 | deadcat | zOap: ah.. try apt-get.org or backports.org for a woody backport of python |
| 00:01.37 | Paco | (fishhead): are you saying my kernel is defineely in my /usr/src/ directory? |
| 00:01.40 | rdancer | paulswm: talking nonsense != helping |
| 00:01.51 | sgeigerbot | !confuse rdancer |
| 00:01.51 | zOap | deadcat: thanx i ll try that |
| 00:01.52 | dpkg | No, who is our mushroom tomorrow, rdancer? lederhosen of the people's republic of tahiti with extra cream |
| 00:01.54 | cafuego | Paco: fishhead is gone. |
| 00:01.56 | shingouz | green_earz: i'm just getting the sarge isos for a friend of mine who doesnt have a fast connection. everything i instal here is with the netinstall |
| 00:01.57 | hool | ah.. i remember back when you could find "cracked RedHat iz0z" on juarez sites linked to xxx.edu/pub/iso.iso hehehe :D |
| 00:02.02 | paulswm | rdancer: why the insults? |
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| 00:02.25 | inetd | hmm |
| 00:02.30 | hool | rdancer, you know there's medical care now for hemoroids, right? 0_o |
| 00:02.38 | zOap | deadcat: what exactly do you mean when you say apt-get.org? is that what i should type? |
| 00:02.51 | green_earz | shingouz: same here the net installer and i like it |
| 00:02.54 | deadcat | zOap: go there and search for python on the site |
| 00:03.02 | pipeline | hool: It's elective surgery. In the U.S., that translates to too expensive for ordinary people :) |
| 00:03.03 | zOap | aah, okey:) |
| 00:03.11 | rdancer | hool: yes. why? |
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| 00:03.37 | paulswm | ah, well, some people... |
| 00:04.26 | kulk | alguin save otro canal en espaņol??? aparte de debian-es |
| 00:04.28 | hool | rdancer, dunno... |
| 00:04.39 | NURV | Ahil, zdravei |
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| 00:04.54 | shingouz | green_earz: i haven't quite grokked the automagical thingies on the netinstall yet so i tend to go back to some older installer and just dist-upgrade from there |
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| 00:05.01 | Paco | (cafuego): can u answer my question? i was asking how i can find out which directory my kernel is sotred. |
| 00:05.16 | Paco | (cafuego): sotred=stored..sorry |
| 00:05.20 | deadcat | Paco: /usr/src |
| 00:05.24 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: I might be able to help |
| 00:05.26 | cafuego | Paco: source? Either under /usr/src or wheever you downloaded it to. binary? in /boot |
| 00:05.38 | Paco | ..ahhh |
| 00:05.42 | dan2 | what kind of splitter do I need to make one input the left channel and the other the right channel |
| 00:05.52 | deadcat | Paco: damn i answered you the first time. |
| 00:06.20 | Paco | (deadcat): oops..sorry...i appreciate allt he help you fellas give me..i'd be lost! |
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| 00:06.50 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: if you apt-get install kernel-source then the source file is in usr/src. if you unbzip it then it goes into /usr/src/kernel-source. Then when you use the Debian method make-kpkg to compile it it then gets placed back in usr/src as a .deb package |
| 00:06.51 | deadcat | dan2: what you working on? |
| 00:07.41 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: I would assume, though I haven't tried that if you apt-get kernel-image it also places the image in usr/src too..... |
| 00:07.42 | inetd | whats a good weather forecasting applet? |
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| 00:07.55 | zumbi | hello, is somebody here using ipsec ? |
| 00:07.57 | deadcat | inetd: they all suck. i use the firefox plugin (= |
| 00:07.59 | Paco | (cafuego): Lo_Meinix: i am trying to upgrade my kernel, and i am a real newb |
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| 00:08.29 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: so am I. Google for Dwarf's Debian Guide.....good kernel construction stuff int here. |
| 00:08.31 | deadcat | inetd: if you use gdesklets, it has a pretty good one. |
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| 00:08.42 | hyur | i chose the wrong video card when i was setting up x, what do i run to get back into setup? |
| 00:08.51 | rainbow5 | hello back again with a problem: i have webmin installed but can not log in as root... webmin rejects my root password... so how to solve this? |
| 00:08.55 | Paco | (Lo_Meinix): cool |
| 00:08.57 | deadcat | hyur: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:09.03 | sgeigerbot | hyur: what di dyou run the first time? |
| 00:09.16 | inetd | deadcat: ta..will try that :) |
| 00:09.16 | sgeigerbot | hyur: ...and try what deadbeat suggested |
| 00:09.23 | caphuso | hyur: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:09.24 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
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| 00:09.28 | hool | hehe.. look at it go.. updating to sarge :) |
| 00:09.31 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: i think the first time would be during the install. |
| 00:09.48 | sgeigerbot | hool: hool hool! |
| 00:10.05 | deadcat | hool: (=... go baby go |
| 00:10.17 | hool | yah |
| 00:10.22 | zumbi | i download openswan, and i was wondering if i could test it on my host using two different ethernet cards, and the traffic going thru a router. |
| 00:10.26 | hool | old sarge died on me :( |
| 00:10.27 | inetd | ive tried wmweather+ dockapp...but the area i live in doesnt have NOAA weather station :( closest one is melb airport...but thats miles away! |
| 00:10.33 | hool | stupid hardware :( |
| 00:10.33 | Paco | (Lo_Meinix): i'm in /boot right now..there is a file called initrd.img-2.4.27-1-386...is that my kernel image? |
| 00:10.54 | deadcat | inetd: ya. those wm weather ones are pretty crappy and ugly. |
| 00:11.03 | nkuttler | Paco: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:11.26 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: *shrugs* I dunno....it's always been kernel-image-2.x.x or kernel-source-2.x.x |
| 00:11.27 | deadcat | inetd: if you use gkrellm, it has a plugin too. not bad. |
| 00:11.44 | green_earz | rainbow5: user name as root and passwd for root on first login |
| 00:11.55 | mikkele | initrd is a ramdisk image |
| 00:12.02 | zumbi | nervermind, thats not the right place to ask that question. |
| 00:12.07 | Paco | just trying to upgrade my kernel....so, i went to about.com, and downloaded this patch for my kernel, but to complile it, i must know where my orginal kernel is located. |
| 00:12.22 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: do this...... |
| 00:12.32 | nkuttler | Paco: what patch? |
| 00:12.39 | paulswm | hool: I though it was just you was old, the hardware's old too? :) |
| 00:12.41 | deadcat | Paco: if you dont know where the kernel source is located. you SHOULDNT be messing with the kernel compile. |
| 00:12.58 | rainbow5 | green_earz: well on my old machine it worked fine but now i have problems with login. and i always have logged in as root |
| 00:13.08 | Paco | nkutller: pacthc 2.2.12 |
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| 00:13.19 | Paco | nkutller: patch 2.2.12 |
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| 00:13.35 | deadcat | Paco: are you on a really old box? |
| 00:13.35 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: go to / look at vmlinux and see what it's linked too. That will tell you your kernel as of right now. |
| 00:13.35 | nkuttler | Paco: you running a 2.2 kernel? |
| 00:13.44 | Lo_Meinix | vmlinux=vmlinuz |
| 00:13.47 | war- | Help! Is there no FORTRAN compiler in Debian Linuxconfigure: error: Neither an F77 compiler nor f2c found |
| 00:13.49 | war- | ? ?? |
| 00:13.51 | hool | paulswm, i run debian.. even old junk flies with the right OS you know ;) |
| 00:14.03 | paulswm | hool: heh |
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| 00:14.18 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: you shoudl see something in the root dir like vmllinuz->boot/vmlinuz-2.x.x that owuld be your kernel |
| 00:14.19 | juhov | war-: g77 |
| 00:14.19 | EmleyMoor | Is there a way of making my linmodem support a longer dial string? |
| 00:14.21 | hool | a xp1900 and some ram, a hdd and some old gfx |
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| 00:14.47 | Paco | nkutller: patch 2.4.27-1.386...i downloaded a patch for 2.6 |
| 00:15.03 | Paco | (Lo_Meinix): YES! i see it |
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| 00:15.11 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: that is your kernel |
| 00:15.20 | deadcat | Paco: there are debian kernels you can just apt-get install |
| 00:15.22 | nkuttler | Paco: you're running debian, aren't you. just get a kernel image. |
| 00:15.46 | Paco | (deadcat): if u can apt-get install, don't they have to be on your harddrive first? |
| 00:15.49 | Lo_Meinix | I think Paco should learn how to compile a kernel both the deb way and non-deb way. |
| 00:15.55 | mikkele | !u |
| 00:15.55 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:16.03 | Lo_Meinix | Dwarf's guide could help him with that. |
| 00:16.04 | hool | the biggest upgeade i did lately was to get a AMD compiled kernel.. then stuff really started to moove :D |
| 00:16.08 | harryvv | somone recomend the kernel rebuild howto url. |
| 00:16.11 | vulture | Paco: apt-get fetches them from your sources (http/ftp/etc) |
| 00:16.12 | dave_ | i found it was easier to compile my own |
| 00:16.16 | deadcat | i think he should get use to debian first. |
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| 00:16.22 | nkuttler | Paco: did you ever use apt-get? |
| 00:16.42 | Paco | nkutller: yes..in fact, i just recently learned how to adjust my source list |
| 00:16.59 | Lo_Meinix | if you compile your own some other stuff is easier like say if you have to compile drivers but, the deb way is really easy as for as compiling and installing the kernel |
| 00:17.01 | Paco | nkutller: people like you helped me with that...:) |
| 00:17.25 | deadcat | Lo_Meinix: theres always kernel-headers-`uname -r` to compile drivers |
| 00:17.34 | nkuttler | Paco: apt-cache search kernel-image, apt-get install one of them |
| 00:17.45 | Overand | Any reccomendations for an east coast US mirror? I can't rememebr which MIT one was having issues a while back. |
| 00:17.50 | Paco | nkutller: okay..let me try |
| 00:18.00 | deadcat | Overand: apt-setup |
| 00:18.10 | EmleyMoor | The dial string on slamr is cutting off after 22 characters - I need to dial 25 - also, ; isn't accepted for "dial but return to command mode" so I can't even get round it that way |
| 00:18.15 | Rawplayer | what is a nice file explorer?:) |
| 00:18.27 | Lo_Meinix | deadcat: yeah, haven't done that myself, yet....still though, if he learns how to compile the kernel by hand he can take that to other distros. |
| 00:18.29 | deadcat | Rawplayer: rox-filer is light and useful |
| 00:18.30 | green_earz | harryvv: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 00:18.40 | paulswm | is there a way of preventing root from running a specific executable apart from just keeping in out of root's $PATH? |
| 00:18.46 | Overand | deadcat, don't have apt-setup, and I can't d/l it because my current mirror is down, heh |
| 00:18.55 | Overand | i'll just snag the mirror from another box |
| 00:18.58 | Rawplayer | deadcat: http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/ |
| 00:18.58 | deadcat | Overand: hehe |
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| 00:19.04 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: don't worry after the 7th or 8th you have to compile your kernel for something it starts getting REAL easy! |
| 00:19.09 | deadcat | Rawplayer: no. apt-get install rox-filer, its in debian now |
| 00:19.15 | pole | i'm using p3nfs and the mount point hangs anything that tries to access the mount point. anyone know what i should do in this situation to umount this? umount -f hangs also |
| 00:19.22 | Overand | is http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ still 'good' |
| 00:19.32 | Paco | (Lo_Meinix): this is ahrd for me..i am trying to get out of the M$oft world |
| 00:19.44 | Lo_Meinix | Paco: aren't we all ;) |
| 00:19.45 | paulswm | I guess I could put a shell wrapper around it and test for root |
| 00:19.52 | deadcat | Paco: LEARn to use debian before fucking with a kernel. |
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| 00:20.00 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: not all of us. I'm quite content to straddle both worlds. |
| 00:20.01 | nkuttler | Paco: you probably don't need to compile a kernel yourself |
| 00:20.34 | Lo_Meinix | deadcat: compiling the kernel is linux 101....everyone has to do it at some point. |
| 00:20.38 | Paco | so, i use the apt-cache search kernel image? |
| 00:20.43 | Overand | I'd hardly call it linux 101 |
| 00:20.56 | deadcat | nkuttler: i am pretty sure he doesnt. he must have heard alot of asshole at work or something about compiling there own kernels and shits |
| 00:21.01 | Overand | You've got to understand a lot about your system before you can do that in a way that makes sense |
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| 00:21.16 | Overand | you need to understand your bootloader, the concepts of mountpoints, etc |
| 00:21.21 | deadcat | Lo_Meinix: no. you dont. because most distros have their kernel in binary |
| 00:21.36 | Overand | So I suppose it's a good course in linux, but it's a bit of a baptism by fire for most users. |
| 00:21.41 | paulswm | Lo_Meinix: compiling a kernel is more like kernel hacking 101 |
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| 00:21.52 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: yeah but you're going ot have to do it eventually, at least get the method of doing it out of the way |
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| 00:22.10 | deadcat | Lo_Meinix: linux 101 is ls/mkdir/rm |
| 00:22.16 | Lo_Meinix | Hell I don't know what half the options are for unless it happens to pertain to something I'm trying to do. |
| 00:22.16 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: but I wouldn't suggest that a linuyx newbie do it |
| 00:22.23 | Overand | let him get comfortable with the command line first. |
| 00:22.41 | paulswm | Lo_Meinix: you have a point, though, I mean what can you break, you can always fall back |
| 00:22.45 | Overand | Hell, linux 101 might even be 'get comfortable with gnome/kde/whatever' |
| 00:22.52 | Overand | heh |
| 00:23.01 | Overand | but you can't always fall aback, unless you know what you're doing. |
| 00:23.03 | deadcat | good point (= |
| 00:23.08 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: I've done it, was necessary for what I was doing 8 months ago....slapping together old parts of a system to make a networked multimedia player for my entertainment system. |
| 00:23.13 | Overand | 'falling back' after a failed kernel upgrade may not be possible for a newbie. |
| 00:23.19 | Lo_Meinix | Took me weeks to getit working but, learned alot doing it. |
| 00:23.30 | Overand | I've compiled kernels too, I'm sure most of us have. |
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| 00:23.37 | Overand | And I did it pretty early on too. |
| 00:23.38 | dave_ | keep knoppix around |
| 00:23.44 | planders | Is there a good GUI package manager front-end? |
| 00:23.44 | Overand | But that doesn't mean I think it's a good way to learn. |
| 00:23.54 | juhov | paulswm: alias could work too, if you just wanted to prevent yourself from accidentally running something |
| 00:23.54 | deadcat | planders: synaptic |
| 00:24.07 | green_earz | Lo_Meinix: grub or lilo ? |
| 00:24.16 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: I don't know any other way with linux other than hardknocks |
| 00:24.28 | Lo_Meinix | green_earz: lilo? |
| 00:24.31 | paulswm | juhov: thanks very much, I think that's what I was trying to think of |
| 00:24.32 | planders | deadcat: synaptic seems to only be in unstable |
| 00:24.39 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: the fact of the matter is that 'desktop linux' is really almost doable. |
| 00:24.44 | deadcat | planders: are you using woody? |
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| 00:24.55 | Overand | these days you can be a 'linux user' |
| 00:25.00 | Overand | and never hit the command line |
| 00:25.06 | Overand | (if you're lucky with your particular hardware) |
| 00:25.08 | deadcat | Overand: ya. thats sad |
| 00:25.12 | Overand | deadcat: hardly. |
| 00:25.16 | green_earz | Lo_Meinix: is the install from sarge cd or woody ? |
| 00:25.17 | Overand | I like flexibility. |
| 00:25.18 | dave_ | linux still needs a few more apps |
| 00:25.20 | websdale | planders: & sarge |
| 00:25.21 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: I wouldn't put a windows users on xwindows without some serious training......it's be like throwing someone to the lions. |
| 00:25.22 | deadcat | planders: dont /msg me please |
| 00:25.23 | Overand | Oh, it's not done yet. |
| 00:25.28 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: I disagree. |
| 00:25.32 | hool | where's the fun in that? bash is your friend.. and it rhymes with hash =) |
| 00:25.34 | Overand | I gave my girlfriend a knoppix CD. |
| 00:25.35 | deadcat | planders: i am sure sarge have synaptic |
| 00:25.35 | Paco | (Lo_Meinix): well, i am downloading a source kernel for 2.4.27\ |
| 00:25.39 | Overand | She was able to handle most stuff. |
| 00:25.46 | paulswm | Overand: you're right, a newbie has to possibly get the concept of "compiling" as well as all the other stuff, I keep forgetting that a shrinking proportion of debian users are programmers |
| 00:25.48 | Overand | Granted she's smarter than the average bear, but still. |
| 00:26.00 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: A friend of mine's mom prefers X Win to Windows... and she knows less about a computer than a trained monkey. |
| 00:26.01 | Lo_Meinix | green_earz: it was from woody with lots of upgrades |
| 00:26.10 | Overand | paulswm: hell, I'm even hardly a programmer. The last apps I've written were in VB.NET and PHP |
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| 00:26.14 | deadcat | Flimzy: hehehe... monkey |
| 00:26.17 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: Once X is set up, it can be far easier for a newbie to use than Windows. |
| 00:26.18 | Overand | my last BIG stuff was in TURBO PASCAL man! |
| 00:26.28 | caphuso | comparing X windows to the window UI is comparing apples to oranges |
| 00:26.34 | Overand | I disagree |
| 00:26.38 | caphuso | (sic, btw) |
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| 00:26.40 | paulswm | heh |
| 00:26.42 | deadcat | Flimzy: not when they ahve to use the cdrom (= |
| 00:26.42 | Overand | KDE is painfully similar to win32 |
| 00:26.49 | Overand | haha |
| 00:26.50 | caphuso | Overand: KDE isn't X |
| 00:26.52 | Flimzy | caphuso: Okay... so my friend's mother prefered Gnome to Win32. Better? :P |
| 00:27.00 | caphuso | Flimzy: yes |
| 00:27.00 | Overand | caphuso: no, KDE is not X |
| 00:27.23 | Overand | But the fact of the matter is that the user interacts with KDE (or gnome) if they're newbies on a newbie linux desktop. |
| 00:27.28 | green_earz | Lo_Meinix: so it will lilo for your boot loader. have a good read around lilo and kerenl install stuff |
| 00:27.28 | Overand | They're not going to be using evilwm or tinywm |
| 00:27.54 | Overand | My point is that most people can survive on a linux desktop without ever leaving the warm KDE or Gnome box. |
| 00:27.54 | deadcat | Overand: most sane folks dont use evilwm or ratpoison (= |
| 00:28.08 | Lo_Meinix | Flimzy: Yeah, and what are they going to do when they try to connect that nice new printer/scanner/modem/memory card......sorry....linux just ain't that easier for a total neophyte windows user |
| 00:28.11 | deadcat | Overand: its suicidal hehe |
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| 00:28.25 | Lo_Meinix | green_earz: I have no idea what you're referring to. |
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| 00:28.35 | paulswm | Overand: but, if it's their box, they still have to learn the basics of *nix system administration |
| 00:28.42 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: You'll notice I said "once it's configured" |
| 00:28.43 | dave_ | try finding a quickbooks replacement |
| 00:28.47 | hool | and one day there was X! feer me! hehe |
| 00:28.53 | rdancer | cafuego, caphuso: the last change to kernel-source-2.4.18 was on Fri, 9 Apr 2004 12:43:48 +0200. i think there is no more comment necessary... |
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| 00:29.14 | Lo_Meinix | Flimzy: And we know configurations never change.....yeah right....that is and idealistic view of reality. |
| 00:29.17 | paulswm | Overand: but at least, unlike XP, they are protected from loggin in to X as root |
| 00:29.20 | Flimzy | Lo_Meinix: Altho in the case of my friend's mother, she would be just as clueless connecting a printer or other gadget to a Win32 computer. And so in either case, she'd call her son over to help. |
| 00:29.36 | deadcat | hool: no. i spit on them. |
| 00:29.37 | Overand | paulswm: heh, no kidding. |
| 00:29.45 | Lo_Meinix | Flimzy: even my users can connect a printer and wait for the prompts on the screen. |
| 00:29.47 | Overand | paulswm: i'll give microsoft credit, they're pushing towards a fix on that. |
| 00:29.52 | green_earz | Lo_Meinix: lilo boots the kernel so new kernel and lilo needs configuring |
| 00:29.54 | anti-windows | Interesting problem. installed w2kserver and Debian on the same HDD, debian booted fine for the first time, but I get this error after my first reboot: ""Kernel Panic: IO-APIC + Timer doesn't work!" using VMWare; w2k still works fine :-/ |
| 00:29.56 | Lo_Meinix | But, linux ain't there yet. |
| 00:29.58 | hool | deadcat, kde and emacs user ;P |
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| 00:30.05 | deadcat | hool: fuck'em too (= |
| 00:30.14 | FieldySnuts | @fuck vmware |
| 00:30.15 | Overand | there's a strong push among the MS developer community (people writing apps for windows, not people in MS) to code apps from NOT inside admin |
| 00:30.20 | Lo_Meinix | green_earz: yes, this....is among the few things.....I know. |
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| 00:30.49 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:30.57 | Flimzy | In C, % meands mod right? 10%5 = 0, 11%5 = 1, etc? |
| 00:31.03 | Overand | The probem with windows-and-admin is that a lot of apps just don't work if you're not an admin |
| 00:31.04 | [puRpLeHaZe] | hey there! while trying to compile cvscedega, it tells me that Intrinsic.h is missing in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/... what kinda file is that? |
| 00:31.08 | Overand | like....EVERY windows 95 program |
| 00:31.14 | paulswm | Flimzy: yes |
| 00:31.14 | rdancer | Flimzy: yes |
| 00:31.21 | Flimzy | paulswm, rdancer: thanks |
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| 00:31.31 | rdancer | Flimzy: #c |
| 00:31.35 | green_earz | Lo_Meinix: so at the end of a kernel install you will need to configure lilo |
| 00:31.35 | Overand | heh |
| 00:31.41 | Overand | do they even speak english in #c ? |
| 00:31.47 | db123 | - Welcome to Freenode, a service of Peer-Directed Projects Center. PDPC is a |
| 00:31.47 | db123 | - tax exempt organization under |
| 00:31.48 | Overand | void answer() |
| 00:31.48 | Lo_Meinix | green_earz: I know |
| 00:31.53 | Overand | { I suppose they do; |
| 00:31.54 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 00:31.55 | green_earz | ok |
| 00:31.59 | paulswm | Overand: haha |
| 00:32.00 | Overand | but it's probably a weird subset of english; } |
| 00:32.06 | Flimzy | rdancer: If I have any more involved questions, I'll certianly go there. (I probably will... I fear I am very rusty, and thus underqualified for the task I'm trying to undertake) |
| 00:32.17 | deadcat | only in /* */ |
| 00:32.22 | Overand | "Hey I have a question, why won't my C app work." |
| 00:32.27 | Overand | NOT ENOUGH CURLY BRACES. |
| 00:32.32 | paulswm | Flimzy: so you will grow :) |
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| 00:32.48 | Flimzy | paulswm: I haven't written anything in C for probably 5 years. |
| 00:33.06 | Flimzy | paulswm: and now I'm trying to hack cdrdao. fun fun fun |
| 00:33.06 | paulswm | Flimzy: it's like riding a bike :) |
| 00:33.27 | deadcat | Flimzy: ya. you get to fall alot |
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| 00:33.45 | paulswm | Flimzy: I suppose you've got all the good doc stuff installed, there is a very good GNU C Library doc |
| 00:33.47 | Flimzy | and actually, cdrdao is C++ and C... even more fun |
| 00:34.04 | Flimzy | paulswm: Yeah... I have to re-remember where to find all the uselful information |
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| 00:34.15 | paulswm | !beat C++ for trying to hide the interesting code |
| 00:34.23 | iains | hiall |
| 00:34.27 | harryvv | what sources list is kernel-source-2.6.6 |
| 00:35.02 | vulture | paulswm: but it does such a good and cunning job of it.. and you don't have to obscure things if you don't want to.. http://skye.shacknet.nu/~vulture/test.cc - *evil laugh* |
| 00:35.39 | paulswm | Flimzy: I've found that installing man2html and info2www is a great help when using C reference stuff |
| 00:36.15 | Flimzy | paulswm: Hopefully this project won't require such drastic measures |
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| 00:38.03 | dmandy | hola |
| 00:38.23 | Skaag | can someone please remind me the name of the file in debian where I can set the maximum number of file handles for the kernel? |
| 00:38.30 | dmandy | alguien habla espaņol |
| 00:38.42 | rdancer | !spanish |
| 00:38.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:38.42 | Skaag | te qiero taco bell |
| 00:38.53 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: man proc, read about /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
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| 00:39.06 | iains | can someone tell me about a 'could not init font path element unix/:7100' error as i start up x server... this seems to be the only thing in my way ;) |
| 00:39.08 | Skaag | dondelelcaro: I know about /proc/sys/fs/file-max... |
| 00:39.15 | deadcat | Skaag: HAHAHA |
| 00:39.17 | rdancer | iains: google |
| 00:39.29 | uglysmurf | hey all - i'm trying to compile ndiswrapper, but it says i'm missing hash.h...i have the 2.4.27 kernel, what's with hash.h?? |
| 00:39.29 | Skaag | deadcat :-> |
| 00:39.34 | deadcat | iains: ignore it. |
| 00:39.39 | paulswm | vulture: have no idea what it does, is it like an obfuscated 'hello world"? I don't have cpp installed to compile it |
| 00:39.41 | dondelelcaro | Skaag: oh, you mean, where you can set that automatically? it's /etc/sysctl |
| 00:39.58 | iains | dedcat - but it crashes xserver |
| 00:40.03 | dondelelcaro | s/ctl/ctl.conf/ |
| 00:40.14 | deadcat | iains: oh. interesting. |
| 00:40.14 | Skaag | dondelelcaro: that's the one!! i've spend 10 minutes now looking at the list of files in /etc/ and kept missing it |
| 00:40.22 | [puRpLeHaZe] | hey there! while trying to compile cvscedega, it tells me that Intrinsic.h is missing in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/... what kinda file is that? |
| 00:40.23 | paulswm | vulture: g++ I mean |
| 00:40.28 | Gathond | iains: do you have any other fonts installed? |
| 00:40.32 | vulture | paulswm: takes a number sequence and prints all the character sequences that can be made with those numbers on a phone keypad |
| 00:40.34 | FieldySnuts | header |
| 00:40.42 | Gathond | iains: what does X crash with of message? |
| 00:40.55 | paulswm | vulture: Oh, that's actually pretty cool |
| 00:41.00 | iains | gathond... fatal server error : could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 00:41.05 | vulture | paulswm: "23" |
| 00:41.22 | vulture | -> ad ae af bd be bf |
| 00:41.22 | vulture | etc.. |
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| 00:41.41 | deadcat | does /etc/hosts take *.blah.com? |
| 00:41.46 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 00:41.49 | deadcat | arg |
| 00:41.49 | Gathond | iains: install xfonts-base |
| 00:41.56 | paulswm | vulture: this to aid memorizing phone numbers? |
| 00:41.57 | Gathond | iains: and whatever other fonts you need |
| 00:42.07 | iains | ok |
| 00:42.09 | iains | thx |
| 00:42.15 | Gathond | iains: or install some fonts and a fonts server ... whatever you like |
| 00:42.22 | vulture | paulswm: not really for any purpose, although I suppose you could map someone's number to a word.. |
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| 00:42.34 | vulture | paulswm: some C++ geeks just set it as a challenge, and I was bored |
| 00:42.37 | Skaag | according to the 'proc' man page, file-nr's second value is the number of free file handles... here's my output: 5925 0 95613 |
| 00:42.58 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 00:43.02 | Skaag | that third value is the file-max value |
| 00:43.08 | Skaag | so how come it ran out |
| 00:44.01 | Gathond | Skaag: each process have a limit of its own |
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| 00:44.22 | Gathond | Skaag: type ulimit -a in a terminal to see the limit for that shell and its children |
| 00:44.30 | Skaag | Gathond: I am currently using nfs-user-server and it is serving a lot of machines... i want to make sure it is not running out... |
| 00:45.09 | war- | juhov: thx. |
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| 00:45.30 | Gathond | Skaag: I dont think that is a problem, anyway root can raise the number, so I would think the nfsd does that |
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| 00:46.02 | hool | if i have a bog standard ps/2 mouse.. what would the lines be in Xfree86.config-4? |
| 00:46.13 | Skaag | Gathond: so if it ran out it would be able to allocate more for itself |
| 00:46.22 | Gathond | Skaag: but depending on how nfs-user-server handles connections it might also use several threads thereby removing the issue completely |
| 00:46.42 | Gathond | Skaag: I would not worry about it if you have not had an actual problem with it |
| 00:46.45 | Skaag | Gathond: I see what you'r saying. It does use up to 32 threads at the moment. |
| 00:46.56 | Skaag | I have a performance problem... |
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| 00:47.35 | Skaag | apache on a loaded box calls getattr() quite a lot, causing a serious slowdown of that specific box |
| 00:47.36 | rdancer | ``The last update for kernel-source-2.4.18 in stable was in April 2004.'' |
| 00:47.37 | Gathond | Skaag: unless the problem specifically is that it reports that it cannot open more files, I doubt it is related to that |
| 00:48.02 | Skaag | Gathond: yes I have currently abandonde that direction completely. It never reported that. |
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| 00:48.16 | rdancer | s/has/have/ |
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| 00:49.58 | Skaag | ok guys - good night :-) |
| 00:50.01 | Skaag | and thx |
| 00:50.58 | paulswm | well I'm off |
| 00:51.09 | strubbel | i accidently read some stuff on comp.hackers. man thats was tough...the _biggest_ bullshit i've ever read! |
| 00:51.40 | hool | strubbel, face it.. you're to elite to be a h4xx0r |
| 00:52.06 | paulswm | rdancer: I realize who you are now, and it wasn't my intention to do anything but help, I still don't understand why you got so nasty though |
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| 00:54.46 | Spherical` | Is peope.debian.org down? |
| 00:54.52 | De_Mon | holy penguine! adding pictures to gallery rocks now |
| 00:55.09 | iains | this seems to be working..... |
| 00:55.14 | iains | i can'tt believce it |
| 00:55.38 | strubbel | Spherical`: some servers are down fro the weekend, read /topic |
| 00:55.49 | strubbel | s/fro/for/ |
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| 00:56.22 | jcarr | what port does webmin run on? |
| 00:56.23 | hool | strubbel, clanwar and the servers are needed for quake? ;) |
| 00:56.34 | harryvv | did a apt-get update after changing my /etc/apt/sources list and still getting a cannot find kernel-source-2.6.6 |
| 00:56.36 | Spherical` | I see, unfortunate, I can't wait until the return :) |
| 00:56.37 | harryvv | any ideas? |
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| 00:56.48 | jcarr | what port does webmin run on? |
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| 00:57.05 | Flimzy | jcarr: ideally, none :P |
| 00:57.16 | iains | can anyone tell me the name of the main kde package? |
| 00:57.30 | pingouin_ | kde ? |
| 00:57.32 | kulk | hay alguin que cache espaņol??? |
| 00:57.39 | mistik1 | can anyone tell me what is the rootdn used for openldap in debian? |
| 00:57.48 | nkuttler | harryvv: maybe there are no sources for 2.6.6. that's outdated anyways |
| 00:57.50 | iains | pingouin: i mean the desktop / office suit thing |
| 00:57.53 | christor | please how to insstall the gd library with apache2 php4? |
| 00:57.57 | jcarr | Flimzy, liar |
| 00:58.04 | Flimzy | jcarr: No, I'm not lying. |
| 00:58.04 | mistik1 | the install says it sets up an 'admin' user but does not give me a DN format for this user |
| 00:58.09 | nkuttler | !tell kulk about spanish |
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| 00:58.14 | Flimzy | jcarr: webmin is evil. it's best if it's not running on any port. |
| 00:58.34 | jcarr | Flimzy, I want to set up a asamba share. It's late, and I dont know how to do it by hand |
| 00:58.40 | pingouin_ | iains: me too |
| 00:58.43 | jcarr | I'm only installing it to set up a samba share |
| 00:58.43 | pingouin_ | iains: kde - The K Desktop Environment |
| 00:58.55 | jcarr | whats the default login/password for webmin? |
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| 00:59.05 | Flimzy | jcarr: I can usually set up a samba share in just a few mins... altho sometimes it can be tricky. |
| 00:59.07 | pingouin_ | iains: result of : apt-cache search kde |less |
| 00:59.27 | Flimzy | jcarr: in any case, I don't know what port webmen runs on. I'd RTFM if it were up to me. Or UTSL. |
| 00:59.29 | iains | thank you |
| 00:59.49 | pingouin_ | iains: but dont do that iains ;) use another desktop ;) |
| 00:59.53 | Faustus | hi |
| 01:00.18 | iains | pingouin : recommedn me.. i'm new here... |
| 01:00.58 | pingouin_ | iains: choose a hudge ! |
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| 01:01.13 | pingouin_ | iains: i was joking, go for kde if you start |
| 01:01.13 | Faustus | say how does one avoid permission problems when umounting a HFS+ partition. I get it mounted but there is no access to user files. |
| 01:01.37 | iains | ;) |
| 01:02.35 | hool | any hints on how to get my microsoft intelimouse explorer to work in debian and X? |
| 01:02.36 | jcarr | it's fucking useless.. wont let me do nothing anyway |
| 01:02.59 | Faustus | there are a few xfree options on the net |
| 01:03.05 | Overand | what the hell is Bacula? |
| 01:03.57 | pingouin_ | hool: did you check the XFConfig-4 file ? |
| 01:04.04 | n0mad` | is there a way to power off my notebook when i press the power button? |
| 01:04.22 | hool | pingouin_, yes.. |
| 01:04.36 | n0mad` | when i press it i see a lot of messages on the display and at the end a simple Power Down, acpi_power_off called |
| 01:04.39 | hool | been poking around in there but so far i had no luck |
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| 01:04.49 | n0mad` | but my notebook remains in power on state |
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| 01:05.26 | strubbel | hool: perhaps http://www.xfree86.org/current/mouse.html can help you |
| 01:07.17 | pingouin_ | running windows ? |
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| 01:08.36 | Ghita | since i've installed sarge grub doesn't ask me to boot on xp |
| 01:08.36 | Ghita | <Ghita> doesn't offer me |
| 01:08.36 | Ghita | someone can help me |
| 01:08.50 | b0ef | I've set up hybrid ircd. I use the /oper command to become an admin; server reports privs are "GKxNORUHDA". If I deop myself in a channel I'm unable to restore my op status with the /op command; says I have to be channel operator. Funny, since I'm the server admin. Is there a special command I use to restoremy op status? |
| 01:09.03 | Vjaz | What's the difference between different subreleases, e.g. 3.0r3 and 3.0r4? |
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| 01:09.28 | pingouin_ | hool: http://xfree.org/4.3.0/mouse6.html#28 |
| 01:09.28 | pingouin_ | hool: http://xfree.org/4.3.0/mouse7.html#39 |
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| 01:09.48 | Vjaz | Security updates? |
| 01:09.52 | kerneld | Is anyone using an ebay bidding app at the moment? bidwatcher no longer works for bidding, and another one of freshmeat doesn't work (bid monkey) |
| 01:10.14 | nkuttler | Ghita: read the docs 'how to boot windows' or something like that |
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| 01:14.03 | booyaa | *hmmm* |
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| 01:15.18 | cdidier | Hey how do you control sound in kde? |
| 01:15.30 | kerneld | kmix? |
| 01:15.36 | Lo_Meinix | hmmm |
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| 01:17.05 | Patrick_ | hello can someone tell me what file has all the info for allowing ports of the firewall |
| 01:17.07 | booyaa | is there a debian package that allows some form of autoconfiguration of wireless cards? wireless-tools package seems like a start, there is no script to automate the process maybe? |
| 01:17.21 | jordin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.40 | dabreegster | When I try to run a game, I get: Error opening /dev/sequencer. I'm pretty sure my soundcard doesn't support MIDI. Any way I can get sound to work? |
| 01:17.43 | jordin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.46 | kerneld | booyaa: If you find out, let me know. I jsut use kismet and vi |
| 01:17.49 | jordin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:18.07 | strubbel | Patrick_: iptables -t filter -v -L |
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| 01:18.18 | Neil2 | hi folks :) |
| 01:18.22 | kerneld | jordin: escribes sin espacio |
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| 01:18.49 | PERRIYO | hola |
| 01:18.52 | PERRIYO | wenasssssssssssssssssss |
| 01:18.53 | booyaa | kerneld, which are the important files to configure if you haveto do it manually? /etc/pcmcia/...? |
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| 01:18.58 | PERRIYO | alguien for here |
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| 01:19.30 | kerneld | booyaa: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:19.56 | booyaa | *blink* even for wireless? that doesnt sound right |
| 01:20.07 | Patrick_ | strubbel, what program should i use to view it |
| 01:20.09 | kerneld | booyaa: I didn't need to modify any pcmcia stuff. hotplug does the job |
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| 01:20.23 | hool | what's the common mouse device path in debian? |
| 01:20.29 | PERRIYO | alguien me puede decir de donde bajar la ulima version debian |
| 01:20.35 | kerneld | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.36 | strubbel | Patrick_: that was the name of the program! |
| 01:20.37 | Neil2 | i have an issue, running an old ne2000 isa nic here, every time i boot i need to do 'modprobe ne io=0x....' followed by netcardconfig, is there any way for me to get this to sort it self out each time i boot? cheers chaps :) |
| 01:20.39 | Overand | hey, the frozen-bubble-data package seems hosed. maybe it's my mirror. |
| 01:20.39 | booyaa | *hmmm* there must be a middle step when i iwconfig eth0 it says card not read, it needs ssid and various other settings |
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| 01:20.42 | Flimzy | hool: /dev/psaux for PS/2 |
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| 01:20.56 | booyaa | debian sets that up for you automatically? |
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| 01:21.21 | Patrick_ | strubbel, you kidding me!! it says it doesnt exits |
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| 01:21.32 | nikosn | Why can\t I see the borders in mc in console? |
| 01:21.33 | kerneld | booyaa: I just iave the iwconfig/iwpriv in pre-up for the interface |
| 01:21.33 | Lo_Meinix | FUCK I'm pissed |
| 01:21.39 | strubbel | Patrick_: try as root |
| 01:21.47 | Patrick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.01 | dabreegster | Anybody know a good list of games for SVGAlib or a good list of apps/packages that aren't on the main Debian mirror or ftp.nerim.net? |
| 01:22.11 | kerneld | would be nice if kismet had a plugin to join a network it sees |
| 01:22.12 | strubbel | Patrick_: perhaps you have installed ipfilter or ipchains |
| 01:22.21 | Flimzy | debhelper: Uhm... that's a loaded question. What exactly are you looking for? |
| 01:22.28 | kerneld | dabreegster: koules |
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| 01:22.33 | booyaa | oh! kerneld any chance i can take a look at your interfaces file then ... you can strip out your settings? |
| 01:22.34 | Lo_Meinix | So I got the alsa drivers to compile. I got the driver for my card to load......now I can't open amixer....could before the previous reboot and on top of that I get /dev/dsp can't be opened no such device |
| 01:22.36 | Lo_Meinix | help |
| 01:22.36 | Patrick_ | strubbel, iptables rings a beel |
| 01:22.45 | strubbel | Patrick_: man iptables |
| 01:22.46 | dabreegster | kerneld: got it. that and quake, doom, heretic.... |
| 01:22.52 | Overand | anyone running testing want to try to install frozen-bubble and see if the package is hosed? I've tried off of two different mirrors now. |
| 01:22.55 | kerneld | booyaa: What type of chipset do you have? |
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| 01:23.02 | Cicloid | hi, i make a mistake with a package, and i cannot install the package, where i erase the preconfiguration options? |
| 01:23.04 | booyaa | or post in msg or something would be great! ... prism54 |
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| 01:23.35 | kerneld | booyaa: I use a different toolset, mine is atheros with madwifi driver |
| 01:23.38 | Lo_Meinix | cicloid apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 01:23.43 | Overand | during the install it says (first) cannot stat /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav : no such file or directory |
| 01:23.48 | booyaa | ah okay *nod* no worries |
| 01:23.49 | strubbel | Patrick_: for tcp wrappers you could cat /etc/hosts.* |
| 01:23.50 | booyaa | thx :) |
| 01:23.57 | gurubie | What is the proper command (or method) to copy a complete Sarge install/partition to another partition on the same drive without not copy errors?I tried booting from a live CD and it wouldn't copy /dev files. |
| 01:24.10 | Overand | (it's an issue with frozen-bubble-data) |
| 01:24.19 | strubbel | Patrick_: but don't rely on them! |
| 01:24.25 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: already done that... |
| 01:24.29 | Patrick_ | strubbel, i just want to unblock 4 ports |
| 01:24.46 | Lo_Meinix | Cicloid: dpkg -p <package> |
| 01:24.50 | Patrick_ | strubbel, can i pm you, i cant keep up here :( |
| 01:25.09 | strubbel | Patrick_: sure |
| 01:25.31 | Lo_Meinix | ok, who knows anything about sound....I'm lost |
| 01:25.48 | EdibleText | Neil2, you should be able to put the ne io=0xblah into /etc/modules. even better I bet you can do modconf and load the module and enter the addtional parameters, it will be automagick from then on.. |
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| 01:26.05 | Neil2 | modconf does it? |
| 01:26.07 | Neil2 | kewl |
| 01:26.12 | dabreegster | Also... I'm trying to run lincity under svgalib. I tried to install lincity-svga, but it said it had no installation candidate, so I got lincity. It only had the X version and lincity was just a symlink to xlincity. When I found a lincity-svga package on ftp.nerim.net, it said it conflicted with lincity, so I removed it and tried again. Then it said it required lincity. I tried installing both and it installed lincity and not li |
| 01:26.23 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: is there a way, to erase the preconfigure data, to install the package...? |
| 01:26.29 | EdibleText | Neil2, yup just add your io parameter |
| 01:26.48 | Lo_Meinix | Cicloid: I don't know , if reinstall didn't work and a purge then install didn't work I dunno |
| 01:26.51 | Neil2 | hm i got an error running modconf |
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| 01:27.03 | EdibleText | Neil2, root? |
| 01:27.06 | Neil2 | yeah |
| 01:27.12 | EdibleText | what error? |
| 01:27.13 | Neil2 | sudo |
| 01:27.18 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: the problem is that the package isnt isntalled... :S so even the dpkg-reconfigure doesnt work... |
| 01:27.40 | Lo_Meinix | Cicloid: I don't know.....I'm a newbie |
| 01:27.49 | Spherical` | This is very much beggining to annoy, there are no drivers available for Lexmark X8110 :)! |
| 01:28.01 | zhapp | hi there.. why does make-kpkg append "n" to the end of the kernel name? (all the modules is placed in /lib/modules/2.6.10n) |
| 01:28.08 | Lo_Meinix | I've been working 2 days on getting sound up....what does that tell you? |
| 01:28.17 | Neil2 | /usr/sbin/modconf: line 178: /usr/share/modconf/params: No such file or directory |
| 01:28.25 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: with oss or alsa? |
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| 01:28.35 | Flimzy | Spherical`: did you check lexmark's web site? *some* printer manufacturers have started shipping (proprietary) Linux drivers |
| 01:28.36 | Lo_Meinix | alsa |
| 01:28.54 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: what card you have? |
| 01:29.04 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: and what kernel... |
| 01:29.16 | EdibleText | Neil2, did it start or did it crash when you added the module |
| 01:29.17 | Lo_Meinix | Cirrus Crystal Sound Fusion cs46xx, 2.4.29 |
| 01:29.17 | Cicloid | mmm |
| 01:29.26 | Overand | jeu |
| 01:29.34 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: is this a thinkpad 600e? |
| 01:29.35 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: well, the easy way is to go to 2.6.x |
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| 01:29.40 | zhapp | Lo_Meinix I'm struggling with alsa too.. oss emulation works, but alsaconf says I don't have any sound cards right after I've choosen mine in the list =) |
| 01:29.41 | Ghita | ok thanks a lot have a nice night all |
| 01:29.41 | Neil2 | it just did that when i typed sudo modconf |
| 01:29.51 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: apt-get alsa-utils |
| 01:29.53 | Neil2 | didnt give me the chance to add anything |
| 01:30.06 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: and then just #alsaconf will do the job ;) |
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| 01:30.08 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: no, emachine trigem comoIII mobo. |
| 01:30.26 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: just saying, because when i saw 'cs46xx' it made my head spin |
| 01:30.37 | cuse | Hi! Anybody familiar with kmail? I try to use the GPG plugin of kmail, but have some problems. E.g. if I want to read an encrypted mail, I just get "wrong passphrase". Unfortunately no dialog appears to ask me for a password. What do I have to do to let it ask for some? |
| 01:30.47 | Overand | on the thinkpad600e, knoppix (for example) will misdetect the card as a 46xx, it's actually a 4232 |
| 01:30.50 | Cicloid | well, somebody knows how can i erase the previos preconfig data of a package, so that debconf asks me again about the config... |
| 01:30.51 | Overand | i think it's a kernel issue actually |
| 01:31.06 | Overand | so you've got to blacklist the 46xx and manually stuff in a 4232 driver in /etc/modules |
| 01:31.13 | Overand | well, not in /etc/modules, heh |
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| 01:31.24 | Overand | because you can't have it load the driver at the same time as the rest of your modules |
| 01:31.31 | Lo_Meinix | Cicloid: Well, whats weird is amixer worked after I got the driver compiled and modprobed it......then I rebooted and no amixer says it can't find a file....not to mention in x I get /dev/dcp can't be opened no such device and yeds I ran ./snddevices |
| 01:31.53 | Overand | so you've got to make it load, like make an S79cs4232 in your /etc/rc directories to modprobe it later on in the boot |
| 01:31.55 | Cicloid | Lo_Meinix: is the module display on lsmod? |
| 01:32.05 | Overand | but if you ever get any sound that's not the problem, heh |
| 01:32.09 | Overand | well |
| 01:32.10 | Overand | .. |
| 01:32.25 | Neil2 | EdibleText, i opened up /etc/modules and edited the ne line to have the io info, i think that'll do it, am i right? |
| 01:32.50 | EdibleText | Neil2, it should.. but I hanvnt played with ISA ina while.. |
| 01:32.54 | Neil2 | ok |
| 01:33.00 | Neil2 | well modprobe on its own does it |
| 01:33.01 | Cicloid | :_( |
| 01:33.11 | Cicloid | can somebody help me :_( |
| 01:33.12 | Neil2 | i'm connected to the net through this card so it must be working ;) |
| 01:33.18 | rdancer | Cicloid: no |
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| 01:33.25 | Neil2 | i'll try a reboot |
| 01:33.28 | Neil2 | brb and thanks |
| 01:33.42 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: you may be right, the specs on theweb say cs4235 but lspci says 46xx |
| 01:33.49 | Lo_Meinix | maybe I'll just compile the other driver. |
| 01:33.50 | Cicloid | rdancer: :_( |
| 01:33.51 | Overand | well... |
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| 01:33.54 | EdibleText | Neil2, then you can put the other command in the /etc/init.d/networking somewhere or perhaps in /etc/network/interfaces; man interfaces for specifics |
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| 01:34.03 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: try doing modprobe -r cs46xx |
| 01:34.07 | Spherical` | Flimzy: I will do that now, I scanned over earlier. |
| 01:34.10 | Overand | and modprobe cs4232 |
| 01:34.14 | Overand | oh |
| 01:34.16 | Overand | you're using a custom kernel |
| 01:34.17 | Overand | k |
| 01:34.17 | EdibleText | neiljp-gone, /etc/network/interfaces would be the prefered way |
| 01:34.25 | Overand | Lo_Meinix: there's one more thing |
| 01:34.31 | Overand | You may need to specify paramaters |
| 01:34.41 | Overand | i have to specify the IO address, DMA, and IRQ on mine |
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| 01:34.44 | Overand | *fun* |
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| 01:35.16 | Lo_Meinix | Overand: Oh well....sounds like a blast....don't guess lspci is detecting the correct resources isit? |
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| 01:35.26 | hool | what's the oldest kernel with alsa supported? |
| 01:35.28 | Overand | well, that's the thing |
| 01:35.39 | Overand | lspci shouldn't show the wrong card.. |
| 01:35.53 | Overand | but it does on mine |
| 01:35.54 | Overand | heh |
| 01:35.56 | Overand | want my IO settings? |
| 01:36.01 | Overand | it miight be the same, ahha |
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| 01:36.25 | Overand | (another trick is to boot up with windows and see what it snags for IO settings) |
| 01:36.43 | Lo_Meinix | I could, I got w2k on the other disk |
| 01:36.57 | Overand | give that a shot |
| 01:36.59 | Overand | see what drivers it uses |
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| 01:38.02 | Lo_Meinix | yeah I guess I'll try that....but first I plan on escaping and playing a few minutes in this gome on my xp box |
| 01:38.04 | alemao | is there a way to instal PSM without installing mozilla?! I want to run it at FIREFOX |
| 01:38.12 | Lo_Meinix | linux just pisses me off to no end |
| 01:38.26 | mith | kawfee requests that he be freed |
| 01:38.28 | mith | or something |
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| 01:40.20 | linoleum | hello |
| 01:40.34 | Neil2 | EdibleText: no joy :( |
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| 01:41.13 | Spherical` | Flimzy: No luck, it's declared on serveral forums that confirm no drivers have been written natively nor public yet :). |
| 01:41.17 | sofaSpud | Hi all, can someone help w/ 1st time sarge install? Am prompted if I want defoma to manage pango fonts |
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| 01:42.02 | EdibleText | Neil2, but if you do modprobe after boot it works, irght? |
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| 01:42.07 | nkuttler | sofaSpud: just chose the default answer |
| 01:42.07 | Neil2 | yep |
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| 01:42.12 | Neil2 | modprobe ne with the io params |
| 01:42.18 | linoleum | hello |
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| 01:42.22 | linoleum | I got a question : |
| 01:42.23 | Overand | Can someone try installing frozen-bubble from the debian repository and tell me if the package is hosed or if my box is hosed? |
| 01:42.37 | EdibleText | Neil2, perhaps the isapnp script is run after modules are loaded.. |
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| 01:42.49 | linoleum | How can I have the logs when I reboot my system, because I can see some strange information, but it goes too fast |
| 01:42.51 | Neil2 | could be |
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| 01:43.01 | linoleum | je before my computer reboot |
| 01:43.05 | linoleum | jist |
| 01:43.05 | Overand | linoleum: dmesg |
| 01:43.08 | Neil2 | hm could i put those commands in my rc.local file? |
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| 01:43.37 | flok420 | wwhat package contains 'rlogin'? packages.debian.org seems to be down |
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| 01:43.57 | Overand | flok420: apt-cache search rlogin |
| 01:44.03 | linoleum | Overand: but the probleme is that if I run dmesg , it show all the logs when the computer reboot,but from the begining, I would like to have logs at the end before it reboot actualy |
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| 01:44.12 | flok420 | thanks! |
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| 01:44.21 | EdibleText | Neil2, sure.. mayby even in /etc/init.d/networking or /etc/network/interfaces; interfaces would be a good place to put ot.. |
| 01:44.29 | deadcat | anyone uses libcaca with mplayer? cant seem to find the package or something |
| 01:44.33 | Overand | linoleum: hm, nmot sure. |
| 01:44.33 | Neil2 | ok |
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| 01:44.39 | Neil2 | i'll give it a go |
| 01:44.47 | EdibleText | Neil2, man interfaces for specifics |
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| 01:46.12 | deadcat | nevermind |
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| 01:50.20 | Neil2 | brb |
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| 01:51.15 | Overand | hey |
| 01:51.26 | Overand | how can i dump the contents of a .deb into a specific directory |
| 01:51.40 | Flimzy | Overand: man ar |
| 01:52.20 | simonrvn | man dpkg; dpkg -x |
| 01:52.24 | Overand | that... was... odd |
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| 01:52.28 | Overand | i did ar x package |
| 01:52.33 | Overand | and i have no idea where it dropped the data |
| 01:52.33 | Overand | =] |
| 01:52.45 | Flimzy | Overand: probably to the current directory |
| 01:52.47 | simonrvn | pwd |
| 01:52.52 | Overand | i know what dir i'm in |
| 01:52.55 | Overand | but i don't see anything new. |
| 01:53.00 | decklin | Overand: specifically, data.tar.gz |
| 01:53.02 | simonrvn | that's where it dumped it |
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| 01:53.19 | Overand | ah there it is. |
| 01:53.21 | Overand | ueaj |
| 01:53.22 | Overand | i see it |
| 01:53.35 | simonrvn | ls is your friend ;P |
| 01:53.36 | Overand | (and i know how to extract a .tar.gz) |
| 01:53.45 | Overand | yeah i just mistook it for something i already had there |
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| 01:53.51 | Overand | i did an ls -lh and checked the dates |
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| 01:54.00 | dondelelcaro | Overand: yes, man 5 deb; if you're confused about why ar x package.deb; worked. |
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| 01:54.28 | BRBearr | Hello |
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| 01:54.43 | Overand | well i assume it's a standard archive with some scripting data added to it |
| 01:54.46 | joycea | I am having issues getting printing setup correctly on sarge. I have installed cups and can add my printer, but gs does not have hl1250 as a device. |
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| 01:54.52 | dabreegster | Hey, I got the svgalib version of lincity going. The only problem is the mouse. It jumps around the screen and is generally moving too fast. gpm is running and I'm not sure my mouse is configured in /etc/vga/libvga.conf correctly because I couldn't find an option for a serial mouse. |
| 01:54.56 | joycea | Is there a build that I can use that has the hl1250 device? |
| 01:55.02 | Overand | ah, 'control.tar.gz' |
| 01:55.02 | Overand | nice |
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| 01:55.56 | pri | #jk913 |
| 01:56.14 | asg | pri: hope that wasn't your password |
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| 01:56.20 | BRBearr | I just installed debian 3 r 4, and I'm having some trouble with X. |
| 01:56.22 | usuario | I get the same error with all libsdl games::::: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory //// Here is the location:::: locate libSDL-1.2.so.0 /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 ;;; what could be the problem? |
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| 01:57.10 | usuario | !libsdl |
| 01:57.27 | usuario | !dpkg libsdl |
| 01:57.27 | DarkHound | libsdl isn't installed? |
| 01:57.38 | usuario | I have even dev installed |
| 01:57.45 | usuario | let me check again |
| 01:57.51 | DarkHound | I'm just shooting in the dark |
| 01:57.57 | usuario | Thanks |
| 01:58.08 | Overand | hm, manually extracting that managed to not get it to work. |
| 01:58.09 | Overand | =[ |
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| 01:58.11 | asg | usuario: does libSDL-1.2.so.0 exist as a file or is it a symlink to something else (which doesn't exist) ? |
| 01:58.15 | Overand | i miss my frozen bubble |
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| 01:58.25 | Overand | i suppose i'll just download the source and install it that way |
| 01:58.49 | decklin | Overand: what error are you getting? |
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| 01:59.07 | usuario | asg: I will check taht |
| 01:59.11 | DarkHound | hrm bbiab |
| 01:59.13 | DarkHound | maybe |
| 01:59.50 | Overand | decklin, the frozen-bubble-data package is throwing an odd error, during the install it says (first) cannot stat /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav : no such file or directory (and then it throws a bunch more |
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| 02:00.18 | BRBearr | How do I update xfree from within debian? |
| 02:00.27 | dondelelcaro | BRBearr: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 02:00.32 | linoleum | can I have XORG with my debian unstable |
| 02:00.40 | asg | linoleum: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 02:00.54 | usuario | asg: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2005-01-31 19:43 /usr/lib/libSDL.so -> libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 |
| 02:00.55 | BRBearr | Do I put any args with that? |
| 02:00.56 | bucky | Overand, maybe you need fb-music-high or fb-music-lo |
| 02:01.04 | usuario | asg: looks like symlink |
| 02:01.06 | bucky | apt-cache search frozen |
| 02:01.10 | asg | usuario: do the same with libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.1 |
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| 02:01.23 | Overand | yeah i could have missed a package |
| 02:01.45 | dondelelcaro | BRBearr: there aren't any arguments. That'll upgrade you to the newest version of xserver-xfree86 in whatever version of Debian you're actually using. |
| 02:01.48 | bucky | Overand, it prolly leaves it up to you which music file to install |
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| 02:01.58 | Overand | actually I already had low |
| 02:02.00 | Overand | hm. |
| 02:02.01 | Overand | it's not that. |
| 02:02.09 | Overand | I have this odd feeling that the package is actually hosed. |
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| 02:02.22 | bucky | Overand, is /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav actually there? |
| 02:02.24 | asg | Overand: then check the bts and file bugs if it is |
| 02:02.26 | Overand | Though I did delete the .deb and try off of two different sources |
| 02:02.40 | Overand | asg: not until someone else can replicate the error |
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| 02:02.47 | Overand | i only have one workstation (sdl, x, etc) that i can try this on |
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| 02:02.54 | bucky | Overand, is /usr/games/frozen-bubble.wav actually there? |
| 02:03.03 | usuario | asg: It doesn't appear to exist in file for in that directory; though locate command gives its position there, which is probably because of teh symlink only? |
| 02:03.13 | Overand | bucky: and no the file isn't there |
| 02:03.16 | BRBearr | Okay, thanks, I'll give it a try. How do I get back to here from within debian? |
| 02:03.17 | Overand | but that's the wrong place for that to go anyway |
| 02:03.26 | Overand | that should go in /usr/share/games/frozen-bubble |
| 02:03.29 | Overand | where the rest of the data is |
| 02:03.37 | bucky | Overand, well that's where it's looking for it apparently |
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| 02:03.47 | asg | usuario: probably. use 'apt-file search <file>' to find what package it is in (apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update (first if you don't have it already)) |
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| 02:03.56 | bucky | maybe you need a soft link |
| 02:03.58 | Overand | bucky: hence my belief that the package is hosed. |
| 02:03.59 | Overand | hm |
| 02:04.00 | Overand | that's an idea. |
| 02:04.22 | Overand | there's no "frozen-bubble.wav" in /usr/share/games/frozen-bubble/snd |
| 02:04.26 | Overand | though there are a lot of sound files |
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| 02:04.50 | Overand | i'm gonna remove it |
| 02:04.58 | DarkHound | !dpkg nvidia |
| 02:04.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:05.04 | usuario | asg: I will try that, thank you very much. |
| 02:05.10 | asg | usuario: you're welcome |
| 02:05.12 | Overand | (all the stuff in that share dir i did myself out of the data.deb) |
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| 02:05.58 | dondelelcaro | Overand: the sound is in the frozen-bubble-data package... |
| 02:06.11 | Overand | dondelelcaro: i see that. |
| 02:06.23 | Overand | but that package throws that error |
| 02:06.27 | dondelelcaro | Overand: rrr, sorry. It's in the fb-music-high or fb-music-low package |
| 02:06.39 | Overand | dondelelcaro: i see that |
| 02:06.47 | Overand | and even with one of those installed it didn't work. |
| 02:06.52 | Overand | oh man |
| 02:06.52 | Overand | heh |
| 02:06.54 | Overand | issues! |
| 02:07.05 | dondelelcaro | Overand: paste the full output of the run into #flood or use the paster bot |
| 02:07.11 | kasdj | i got a big problem, and i cant handle it. sitting here since 10h. =( we had an OS 9 server, on this server were OS9, OSx and M$ clients connected. so i have different codepages. now i wanna transfer all data to a samba server. but all umlaute are wasted. is there any kind of solution how i can solve that problem? |
| 02:07.17 | Overand | yeah hang on |
| 02:07.20 | asg | Overand: at least it's frozen-bubble and not libpam0g |
| 02:07.23 | Overand | i'm IRCing from one box and doing the work on another |
| 02:07.26 | dondelelcaro | Overand: also, which version of frozen-bubble is this? |
| 02:07.29 | Overand | so lemme detatch this session |
| 02:07.31 | Overand | one sec. |
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| 02:08.07 | Overand | great, now i don't have to move several feet to talk on irc, ha |
| 02:08.20 | Overand | well, i'm trying to remove the package |
| 02:08.31 | Overand | and i'm getting 'package is in a very bad inconsistent state, etc. etc. |
| 02:08.40 | DarkHound | is there a mirror for this people.debian.org/~rdonald site? |
| 02:08.44 | BRBearr | Where is the IRC client in debian? How do I launch it? |
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| 02:08.59 | Flimzy | BRBearr: If you installed one. |
| 02:09.01 | asg | BRBearr: there are several irc clients |
| 02:09.04 | Overand | 'please reinstall it before trying to remove' but I *can't* install it because of the error it throws. let me head to #flood |
| 02:09.11 | Flimzy | BRBearr: You launch it by typing the name of the executable at a prompt, and hitting ENTER. |
| 02:09.13 | DarkHound | brb just install your favorite one |
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| 02:09.19 | asg | BRBearr: 'apt-get install irssi-text ; irssi' is one option |
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| 02:10.03 | wilbertoki | Hello -- I just bouhgt a laptop on ebay and the the tab key sticks until you push another key -- how Do I map a new tab key? xmodmap is refused by the xsserver |
| 02:10.07 | BRBearr | Thanks. It's cumbersome going from XP back to debian back to XP.... |
| 02:10.15 | usuario | asg: I think I see where I got the problem; I was using the problem-filled kpackage and might have partially uninstalled libsdl1.2debian-all where the file is supposed to be |
| 02:10.26 | asg | usuario: ah |
| 02:10.35 | kasdj | noone ever had a problem with this OS9 problem ? |
| 02:10.46 | decklin | wilbertoki: xmodmap is refused? please elaborate. |
| 02:10.53 | asg | kasdj: no, I've never owned ppc hardware. |
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| 02:11.08 | wilbertoki | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 02:11.08 | wilbertoki | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 02:11.12 | usuario | asg: there are quite a few packages dependent on this package, how do I reinstall it without uninstalling dependency packages? |
| 02:11.16 | asg | pete: try #samba |
| 02:11.20 | followmearound | has anyone else been having tons of issues with 2.6.10 and usb? |
| 02:11.25 | asg | usuario: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 02:11.31 | Flimzy | usuario: apt-get --reinstall install <foo> |
| 02:11.32 | wilbertoki | wheh run from a term session in sarge |
| 02:11.35 | wilbertoki | in kde |
| 02:11.41 | usuario | asg; thank you very much again |
| 02:11.46 | asg | usuario: you're welcome |
| 02:11.47 | usuario | Flimzy: thank you very much |
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| 02:12.26 | NeoG | is there an apt-get for QT |
| 02:12.36 | asg | NeoG: the previously maligned kpackage |
| 02:12.49 | NeoG | ...huh |
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| 02:12.59 | joycea | where does 'apt-get source' place the source code? |
| 02:13.00 | Overand | dondelelcaro: now the package is in an awesome state of limbo, and i can't get it removed |
| 02:13.20 | asg | NeoG: /lastlog -regex usuario.*kpackage |
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| 02:13.22 | decklin | wilbertoki: that's strange. how does 'xauth list' look? |
| 02:13.27 | Flimzy | joycea: in the current directory |
| 02:13.38 | Flimzy | joycea: in a folder called, <pkg name>-<versin> |
| 02:13.45 | Flimzy | s/sin/sion/ |
| 02:13.56 | joycea | LOL... okay thanks. |
| 02:13.57 | TheBlueWizard | joycea: apt-get source xyz retrieves the source code and unpack it into the current directory |
| 02:14.00 | usuario | asg: that was exactly the problem, just a note |
| 02:14.03 | joycea | that's why I was so confused! |
| 02:14.08 | asg | usuario: cool, glad you got that fixed |
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| 02:14.48 | thomas_adam | Montana has the largest concentration of grizzly bears in America. :D |
| 02:14.52 | wilbertoki | decklin: xauth list |
| 02:14.52 | wilbertoki | xauth: creating new authority file /root/.Xauthority |
| 02:15.07 | asg | thomas_adam: that's because they ate all the humans and got big and fat |
| 02:15.12 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 02:15.17 | Overand | dpkg wants me to reinstall this package to fix its 'very bad inconsistent state |
| 02:15.17 | dpkg | You are moron #4, Overand |
| 02:15.23 | asg | thomas_adam: some even have a preferrence for certain types of beer |
| 02:15.28 | decklin | wilbertoki: try xmodmap again. you probably got the error because that file was missing. |
| 02:15.30 | thomas_adam | Overand: see the channel FAQ. |
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| 02:15.34 | asg | s/rr/r/ |
| 02:15.45 | wilbertoki | decklin: I did same errror |
| 02:15.46 | alemao | how to install PSM on FIREFOX? |
| 02:15.57 | wilbertoki | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.05 | Gathond | alemao: mozilla-psm i believe |
| 02:16.25 | alemao | it wont work!! it installs MOZILLA.. and nothing to firefox |
| 02:16.30 | Overand | thomas_adam: i've been working on this problem in here for a good half-hour, you're the first person to point me to the faq. |
| 02:16.33 | wilbertoki | decklin: It works under regular user |
| 02:16.42 | wilbertoki | decklin: not as root |
| 02:16.51 | decklin | wilbertoki: why are you doing this as root? |
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| 02:17.17 | thomas_adam | Overand: dpkg --purge --force-remove-reinstreq packagename |
| 02:17.28 | wilbertoki | decklin: I thought it should -- I am new to debian |
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| 02:17.32 | asg | Overand: the #debian channel faq won't solve the problem you had. |
| 02:17.43 | Overand | asg, That's what I figured. |
| 02:17.46 | Overand | =P |
| 02:17.59 | asg | Overand: the issue with fubared installation of packages, on the other hand ... |
| 02:18.22 | asg | thomas_adam: so, when do I get to be editor of LG? :) |
| 02:18.38 | Overand | yeah, i'm plowing through the faq on the hosed package |
| 02:18.44 | decklin | wilbertoki: no. if you start x as a normal user (which you should), you run xmodmap as that user. no one else is authorized to control the x server. |
| 02:18.59 | thomas_adam | asg: Heh. When you grow a beard and live on a sailboat. |
| 02:19.01 | Overand | heh, i've been using debian for a few years, this is my first hosed package. i've never had 'apt hell' before |
| 02:19.18 | asg | thomas_adam: the former I can do, the latter I can arrange. |
| 02:19.29 | asg | thomas_adam: ;) |
| 02:19.32 | thomas_adam | asg: Heh. You're in. |
| 02:19.53 | decklin | wilbertoki: i never start x or run any x clients as root. |
| 02:20.11 | wilbertoki | decklin: I see thanks !! Now I just have to figure out how to map a new tab key |
| 02:20.17 | strubbel | can i play or convert mpc files? |
| 02:20.19 | asg | Overand: what debian version are you running anyway? |
| 02:20.22 | Overand | by the way, --purge --force... doesn't work |
| 02:20.23 | Overand | asg, sarge |
| 02:20.37 | Overand | i mean everything on this box is working fine |
| 02:20.38 | asg | Overand: ah, okay |
| 02:20.39 | wilbertoki | decklin: i never log in a root to x, but what about running konqueror as root to |
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| 02:20.54 | Overand | sure i had to manually make a script to fix my sound driver |
| 02:20.57 | Overand | @!#$ thinkpads |
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| 02:21.05 | decklin | wilbertoki: keysym whatever = Tab |
| 02:21.13 | Overand | if the sound module gets loaded early in the boot process it doesn't work. go figure. |
| 02:21.19 | Overand | some module that gets loaded after it apparently hoses it. |
| 02:21.24 | asg | Overand: at least TPs have decent APM implementations, unlike this fucking D600 |
| 02:21.26 | decklin | wilbertoki: i wouldn't recommend it. but i don't use kde or konq. *shrug* |
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| 02:21.40 | bucky | Overand, is this on knoppix.. because the only thing i can find about it on google concerns knoppix |
| 02:22.02 | hoser | where can i get a list of the US servers that go in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 02:22.06 | pipeline | bucky: You know, this isn't #knoppix |
| 02:22.08 | asg | hoser: apt-setup |
| 02:22.15 | asg | hoser: /msg dpkg mirror |
| 02:22.16 | Overand | bucky: re my sound card? |
| 02:22.23 | hoser | does someone know? |
| 02:22.25 | decklin | wilbertoki: if you do, kde should have some gksu-like mechanism that transfers the x authorization keys temporarily |
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| 02:22.31 | asg | hoser: or /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 02:22.40 | thomas_adam | decklin: kdesu, oddly enough. |
| 02:22.44 | wilbertoki | decklin: cool thanks |
| 02:22.46 | bucky | pipeline, no shit.. but Overand's frozen-bubble problem is a knoppix problem isn't it Overand ? |
| 02:22.53 | decklin | thomas_adam: well there you go (: |
| 02:23.10 | mattybats | i'm having sleeping problems |
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| 02:23.22 | Overand | mattybats: get some melatonin, and try in a differnt channel |
| 02:23.24 | jcarr | where can I find a torrent of genesis roms? |
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| 02:23.28 | Overand | or do you mean a laptop sleeping problem? |
| 02:23.32 | mattybats | no not that type |
| 02:23.39 | NeoG | how do i um, compile 2.6.10 with IDE support.. |
| 02:23.45 | asg | jcarr: ask on efnet or dalnet |
| 02:23.47 | pipeline | NeoG: Install a stock kernel. |
| 02:23.48 | decklin | jcarr: not in this channel. |
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| 02:23.51 | mattybats | (although i was waiting for that type of response) |
| 02:23.51 | NeoG | i seem to have left it out |
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| 02:23.58 | wilbertoki | whats the command to get a list of all IRC channels? |
| 02:24.03 | NeoG | pipeline: stock kernel? |
| 02:24.03 | runedude | its /list |
| 02:24.05 | cycom | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.05 | asg | wilbertoki: /list |
| 02:24.08 | rafx | anyone else having trouble connecting to packages.debian.org? |
| 02:24.11 | wilbertoki | sweetthanks |
| 02:24.13 | dondelelcaro | rafx: read /topic |
| 02:24.14 | bucky | Overand, the solution to your knoppix problen is in google |
| 02:24.23 | fraxtal | NeoG: Get it from kernel.org |
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| 02:24.24 | mattybats | i'm doing ' echo # > /proc/acpi/sleep' and my computer goes to sleep and then comes right back out |
| 02:24.28 | booyaa | hey i got my prism54 card working .. anyone want instructions? |
| 02:24.28 | asg | bucky: he isn't having a knoppix problem though |
| 02:24.29 | mattybats | won't stay |
| 02:24.40 | mattybats | any ideas? |
| 02:24.41 | booyaa | okay two steps for those that care: |
| 02:24.44 | pipeline | NeoG: You shouldn't be compiling your own kernel. I've been using Linux, FreeBSD, etc since 1998, and I don't compile my own kernel. Why should you have to? |
| 02:24.48 | JustKhoa | could any1 help me to install X? thnx |
| 02:24.51 | asg | mattybats: 'echo #' or 'echo 3' ? |
| 02:24.57 | mattybats | echo 3 |
| 02:24.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell JustKhoa about set up x |
| 02:25.09 | mattybats | tried other numbers as well |
| 02:25.12 | pipeline | JustKhoa: Ask a more specific question, and don't use stupid fuck abbreviations like "lol an1 kthx" |
| 02:25.16 | mattybats | they do similar thing |
| 02:25.22 | JustKhoa | ok sorryz |
| 02:25.25 | booyaa | 1. the prims54 firmware isn't included with debian for policy reasons, download file and rename from here: http://prism54.org/~mcgrof/firmware/ |
| 02:25.28 | asg | mattybats: well, acpi is flaky on most hardware. Check tuxmobile.org for ideas. |
| 02:25.29 | mattybats | although i know they put the puter into to different states |
| 02:25.40 | pipeline | JustKhoa: "sorryz" comes under the same category. People will start ignoring your questions. |
| 02:25.49 | JustKhoa | well i've installed debian potato and now trying to get some graphics |
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| 02:25.56 | pipeline | NeoG: Let's backtrack: What did you need to do that you started looking into compiling the kernel? |
| 02:25.58 | booyaa | 2. configure your /etc/network/interfaces file like here: http://prism54.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1043&highlight=debian |
| 02:25.59 | dondelelcaro | JustKhoa: whoa. Why are you installing potato? |
| 02:26.11 | booyaa | 3. ifdown and ifup (or pump) eth0 |
| 02:26.11 | asg | JustKhoa: potato is rather old |
| 02:26.14 | decklin | booyaa: may i suggest you /msg dpkg with that so other people can read it later? |
| 02:26.17 | booyaa | and you should get a connection |
| 02:26.20 | JustKhoa | im using an old P2 |
| 02:26.36 | dondelelcaro | JustKhoa: a P2 will run woody just fine, unless it has no memory |
| 02:26.36 | pipeline | JustKhoa: A P2 is pretty new. Assuming it has at least 32M of RAM, it'll run modern software just fine. |
| 02:26.37 | JustKhoa | just to experiment with debian that's all |
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| 02:26.41 | asg | JustKhoa: do you have more than 24M of memory in it? |
| 02:26.43 | booyaa | decklin, oh okay, are there instructions on formatting? i should write this out in text then msg dpkg? |
| 02:26.56 | JustKhoa | i have 64M |
| 02:26.59 | aum | hi - can anyone recommend a tool for hacking the colours in a .ps file? |
| 02:27.08 | dondelelcaro | JustKhoa: you can run woody or sarge on that box, no problem. |
| 02:27.08 | pipeline | JustKhoa: I've used a full gnome 2 with anti-aliased text and all the nice stuff on a PPro 180 with 64M of RAM. Trust me, a PII is more than fast enough for sarge. |
| 02:27.09 | asg | JustKhoa: then install woody (or the soon to be released sarge) and have fun |
| 02:27.23 | dondelelcaro | aum: an editor works wonders. Baring that, sketch works. |
| 02:27.44 | larsbars | hi! does anybody know a way to shrink x's virtual screen resolution to something _smaller_ than the screen resolution? |
| 02:27.44 | booyaa | pipeline, is correct, i ran sarge on a p300 with 64 megs ram laptop |
| 02:27.46 | decklin | booyaa: something like "prism is see prism54 setup", then "prism54 setup is ..." |
| 02:27.47 | JustKhoa | ok |
| 02:27.51 | aum | dondelelcaro: specifically, i'm wanting to set up a filter to match screen colours to laser printer colours |
| 02:27.59 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: uh, what? |
| 02:28.00 | booyaa | it would bootup using only 42 megs ram, which was cool |
| 02:28.00 | wilbertoki | does anyone know if there is native kernel support for the ma111 usb wifiīs prism3 chipset? I know about linux-wlan but I have read there is kernel support is this true? |
| 02:28.10 | booyaa | decklin, cool! will do now |
| 02:28.15 | pipeline | JustKhoa: Gnome 2.8 is actually a lot faster than the version in Woody, gnome 1.4, despite having twice as many features. |
| 02:28.26 | booyaa | msg dpkg |
| 02:28.39 | larsbars | so i have a pvr350 and the screen is bigger than the tv display size, so i want to shrink it :) |
| 02:28.40 | JustKhoa | i just want to install basic stuff to learn more about linux |
| 02:29.16 | JustKhoa | i dont know that much |
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| 02:29.54 | booyaa | decklin, once i put the instructions on dpkg ... can they be changed? |
| 02:30.00 | JustKhoa | i got the kernel installed i just want to add packages and build up my system |
| 02:30.05 | larsbars | dondelelcaro: but when i set the "Virtual xsize ysize" X yells at me |
| 02:30.18 | decklin | booyaa: sure, ask him about "help". |
| 02:30.30 | booyaa | oh cool thx |
| 02:30.41 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: yes, that's not going to work, afaik. You're goint to have to specify the window size for whatever you're showing appropraitely for your TV card |
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| 02:30.51 | netsurfer | when I do make modules_install I get "depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.29/misc/wcusb.o |
| 02:30.57 | netsurfer | any ideas why ? |
| 02:31.02 | JustKhoa | i've found out about the xf86config command |
| 02:31.07 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: alternatively, you may not have selected the proper video mode for TV output |
| 02:31.29 | dondelelcaro | JustKhoa: you don't want to run xf86config ever. |
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| 02:31.33 | Overand | wow, the frozen-bubble music is in Xm format, sweet. |
| 02:31.40 | JustKhoa | punch in some value and xstart or startx |
| 02:31.47 | Overand | I used to write a lot of music in fast tracker 2 |
| 02:31.48 | larsbars | dondelelcaro: i can't change the video mode without making the output look really ugly, like my sisfb output, which is unwatchable |
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| 02:32.19 | JustKhoa | <dondelelcaro> i thought that's how you configure X? |
| 02:32.20 | Overand | Hey, here's a question. Is there a decent FT2-ish app for linux, a 'mod' writing app, 'tracker' |
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| 02:32.29 | dondelelcaro | JustKhoa: no, it's not. Read what dpkg told you |
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| 02:32.40 | larsbars | dondelelcaro: plus, it's betterr to have the resolution the native ntsc size so the scanlines match up with the tv's |
| 02:32.46 | jordin | aupa debian!!! |
| 02:32.48 | jordin | XDD |
| 02:32.55 | JustKhoa | dondelelcaro: where is dpkg? |
| 02:33.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell JustKhoa about set up x |
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| 02:33.22 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: hrm... well, pretty much the only thing to do then is to use the proper options to make the windows appear with an appropriate geometry... |
| 02:33.38 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: since your TV really should be displaying everything (assuming it's being output correctly, of course) |
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| 02:34.25 | larsbars | dondelelcaro: that's what i was afraid of. my next best thing is to run X with a single Xnest+gdm and tell the Xnest to display in the right spot. i also want the menu bar to be on screen too |
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| 02:34.36 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 02:34.41 | larsbars | yeah |
| 02:34.49 | larsbars | thanks anyway :) |
| 02:34.58 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: np |
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| 02:36.18 | mike__ | Hello again. |
| 02:36.42 | JustKhoa | dondelelcaro:thanks |
| 02:37.07 | mike__ | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 02:37.17 | mike__ | intel810 drivers.. anyone know how to get DRI workin? |
| 02:37.35 | eric__ | i got a problem with dh_make -l |
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| 02:38.56 | booyaa | 1. Download your firmware from here: http://prism54.org/~mcgrof/firmware/ |
| 02:38.56 | booyaa | 2. Put the firmware in the right directory and rename the file to the right name as per instructions in step #1. Debian doesn't come with the firmware for these chipsets because we have not been given redistribution rights by the author. For the time being you must download the firmware manually. |
| 02:38.57 | booyaa | 3. Once you have the firmware installed, the system shouldn't have any problems bringing up your wireless card, and you can simply setup networking information as normal, with a few extra pieces of information for the wireless variables. You can see an example configuration and some extra steps here (this is the originating help information for this dpkg tip, all thanks and copyrights belong to the original poster): http://prism54.org/forum |
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| 02:39.00 | booyaa | s/viewtopic.php?t=1043&highlight=debian |
| 02:39.02 | booyaa | 4. Make sure your network settings are correct, then ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 (or whatever your wireless card is) and you should be able to connect to your wireless router. |
| 02:39.03 | Overand | is there a quick way to check what x server is running? |
| 02:39.05 | booyaa | Remember to double check your wireless router configuration, and you may wish to test without an encryption key to start and make things easy. As well, check out the man pages for IWCONFIG, which is the wireless corollary to the IFCONFIG command. In order to be able to issue the IWCONFIG command you must install the WIRELESS-TOOLS package. |
| 02:39.09 | booyaa | oh shit sorry |
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| 02:39.25 | booyaa | that should all be one line? |
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| 02:39.40 | decklin | booyaa: assuming you meant to send that to dpkg, it's a bit long for a factoid. consider putting it on the web. |
| 02:39.55 | booyaa | i'll chop it into a factoid then. |
| 02:40.02 | Overand | I'd paraphrase it (for experts) and link to a site with the full description |
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| 02:40.07 | eric__ | is anybody out there who knows how to make lib- and -dev *deb's |
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| 02:40.18 | booyaa | *nod* actually the one link has enough info. |
| 02:40.48 | eye69 | Bugger...of course people.debian.org is down when I need a ClamAV upgrade. |
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| 02:41.16 | wilbertoki | what keycode does the tab key have? |
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| 02:42.43 | decklin | wilbertoki: i feel your pain, btw. i recently had a laptop's g, h, alt, and up die on me. (found a replacement kbd though :) |
| 02:42.55 | Overand | ouch |
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| 02:43.08 | decklin | hey, a little xmodmap, and i was hobbling along |
| 02:43.08 | booyaa | okay how do i check the factoid on dpkg? |
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| 02:43.14 | booyaa | for prism54? |
| 02:43.19 | Overand | prism54? |
| 02:43.49 | booyaa | *hmmm* |
| 02:43.53 | Overand | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'prism54'. |
| 02:44.25 | aum | hi - i upgraded to latest galeon - apt upgraded hundreds of packages - now when i boot, weird stuff happens (eg, /dev/ttyS0 permissions get changed) - any suggestions for what causes this? |
| 02:44.52 | findme | umm isn't ttyS0 character device such as mouse |
| 02:45.06 | wilbertoki | decklin: yes it sucks a lot I was wondering if replcaement keyboards are expensive or hard to install |
| 02:45.07 | aum | findme: it's general serial device |
| 02:45.19 | findme | aum, ah ok |
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| 02:46.13 | decklin | wilbertoki: depends on the laptop i guess. i got my for free and it took me about 30sec to swap |
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| 02:46.51 | wilbertoki | it seems like tab is key 72 |
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| 02:47.05 | Overand | this laptop was free |
| 02:47.11 | Overand | had to spend $125 for batteries though |
| 02:47.17 | decklin | keycodes depend on your hardware, server version, etc. i would recommend using keysyms wherever possible. |
| 02:47.21 | Overand | got an opitcal drive battery and a main one, etc. |
| 02:47.21 | roshman | I just installed debian woody, and I want to load a module that wasn't compiled at setup, how do I recompile the module? |
| 02:47.50 | Overand | had to stuff in my old wifi card, and it's got no ethernet port, and only one USB port, thinkpad 600E, but it works pretty well. i just wish frozen-bubble ran faster |
| 02:47.55 | wilbertoki | decklin: I can just use the word tab to represent tab -- that is much easier :) |
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| 02:48.41 | BRBearr | Hello again. Can someone tell me what file I need to edit to add to the list of update servers? |
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| 02:48.57 | pipeline | BRBearr: /etc/apt/sources.list -- I assure you that you do NOT want any third party sources. |
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| 02:49.11 | pipeline | BRBearr: If it doesn't say "something.debian.org" or "something.nerim.net" you don't want it. |
| 02:49.31 | decklin | roshman: debian's setup doesn't compile anything. do you mean load a module that isn't loaded automatically, or install modules that weren't installed? or compile your own kernel? |
| 02:49.43 | BRBearr | Right. I tried to update/upgrade xfree, but the server I need is not in my list. |
| 02:50.04 | roshman | decklin: I mean I need to modprobe "rtl8150" and it says "module not found" |
| 02:50.28 | booyaa | prism54? |
| 02:50.34 | roshman | decklin: so I thought I may not have loaded the module when I installed |
| 02:50.34 | sTone_heAd | does anybody has got seg fault errors on apache after a recent dist-upgrade? |
| 02:50.48 | dondelelcaro | sTone_heAd: if they did, you'd see a bug for it in the bts |
| 02:50.49 | drac | roshman: try finding what you need thru 'modconf' |
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| 02:51.16 | sTone_heAd | dondelelcaro, i know there's one but not related to my case |
| 02:51.19 | roshman | drac: I didn't see it in modconf |
| 02:51.21 | decklin | booyaa: take it to /msg please |
| 02:51.33 | dondelelcaro | sTone_heAd: then no, no one has. |
| 02:51.40 | wilbertoki | decklin: can you give me the exact line I would put into a text file for xmodmap to read in a text file? |
| 02:51.45 | roshman | drac: it is a driver for a usb->ethernet device, would it be in the "net" category |
| 02:51.55 | booyaa | sorry, it's done, last test. |
| 02:51.55 | wilbertoki | decklin: to switch tab with right crtl |
| 02:51.56 | booyaa | thx |
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| 02:52.13 | knapjack | Hi! I'm trying to do a semi-minimal installation of gnome on Debian sarge, and I'm getting an assertion failure when I try to launch gnome-session-properties (though gnome-session seems to run just fine). I suspect I'm somehow missing some critical package, but I would like to refrain from installing gnome-core and dependencies on this particular box if I can. Any suggestions? |
| 02:52.35 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: you can ignore those warnings |
| 02:52.44 | drac | roshman: what kernel? |
| 02:52.50 | decklin | wilbertoki: off the top of my head, remove Ctrl_R = Control, keysym Ctrl_R = Tab. but read the manpage :) |
| 02:52.59 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: by default the gnome packages are chatty with all sorts of pointless assertions and warnings. Unless something goes wrong, just ignore them. |
| 02:53.03 | drac | roshman: debian kernel? 2.6? |
| 02:53.07 | decklin | (that's two separate lines there) |
| 02:53.14 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: But gnome-session-properties won't launch, so I can't edit the session. |
| 02:53.24 | runedude | hey, a nyone here have a good sources.list ? :) |
| 02:53.25 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: Seems to be the only thing that's not working, so far. |
| 02:53.30 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: ok, paste the exact error into #flood |
| 02:53.33 | roshman | drac: to do that, I type version, right |
| 02:53.34 | dondelelcaro | runedude: just run apt-setup; |
| 02:53.45 | dondelelcaro | runedude: what is a good sources.list is different for every network and every machine. |
| 02:53.46 | drac | roshman: uname -r |
| 02:53.48 | runedude | ok dondelelcaro |
| 02:54.06 | pabl0 | anyone running Debian on a 600m? (Dell Laptop) |
| 02:54.14 | decklin | roshman: what kernel version are you running? |
| 02:54.28 | wilbertoki | I am running it on a c600 |
| 02:54.29 | roshman | drac: 2.2.20? |
| 02:54.35 | roshman | gosh, that is old |
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| 02:54.50 | drac | roshman: ah, that's so old. you need 2.6 series kernel to have rtl8150 support. |
| 02:54.54 | roshman | drac: I just d/l the iso yesterday from the net |
| 02:54.56 | decklin | roshman: i think you need to upgrade to 2.4 at least. |
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| 02:55.20 | roshman | drac: yeah, definitely, ok, so how do I upgrade the kernel on this puppy, where is a good howto website? |
| 02:55.22 | runedude | Thank you , It works greatly. |
| 02:55.31 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: Done. Did you catch it? (Thanks, BTW) |
| 02:55.38 | drac | roshman: 2.2.20, so you prolly installed woody, you need to upgrade to sarge to get 2.6 kernel. |
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| 02:55.57 | decklin | !tell roshman about woody 2.4 |
| 02:55.58 | drac | roshman: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 02:56.26 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: is gnome-session actually running? |
| 02:56.30 | roshman | drac: so I run that command and what happens? |
| 02:56.37 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: are you running gnome-session-profile as the user running gnome-session? |
| 02:56.44 | drac | roshman: do that on irc, and dpkg will give you information ;) |
| 02:56.48 | drac | roshman: dpkg is bot. |
| 02:57.02 | roshman | thansk |
| 02:57.20 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: gnome-session is running, launched as x-session-manager |
| 02:57.40 | roshman | drac: ah, well, that is nice and all, but my problem is that I don't have internet access in the first place, so apt-get won't be of much help |
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| 02:58.07 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: I don't seem to have a gnome-session-profile binary |
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| 02:58.18 | drac | roshman: then you might wanna get sarge netinstaller, and do fresh install with 2.6 kernel with "linux26" boot option. /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 02:58.39 | decklin | roshman: can you sneakernet over the 2.4 kernel source and a kernel-package .deb? that would be enough. |
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| 02:59.02 | roshman | decklin: sneakernet? |
| 02:59.05 | jaclinuxhelp | somebody help me please. i want to install debian on a machine with NO CD READER, and NO ETHERNET CARD. how can i do this ? it is possible ? |
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| 02:59.07 | decklin | (really, for a quick and dirty bootstrap, you don't *need* kernel-package...) |
| 02:59.13 | freedom101 | someone know what should i wrote instead of : while [ echo stream.txt > grep allo = "" ]; do |
| 02:59.13 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: rrr.. gnome-session-properites... |
| 02:59.18 | freedom101 | in a bash file? |
| 02:59.19 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: sorry, doing 8 different things and once here |
| 02:59.21 | decklin | on floppies or a cd-r to the machine without network |
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| 02:59.33 | roshman | decklin: I can put debs on cdrs and then install them locally, if that helps? |
| 02:59.36 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: hehehe, no problem. Yep, same as the user running the session manager. |
| 02:59.36 | svref | I have a .ttf font file. How do I install it? |
| 02:59.54 | decklin | sure. kernel-whatever-source and kernel-package. bob's your uncle. |
| 03:00.19 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: hrm... and dpkg -l gnome-session; gives you... |
| 03:00.28 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: ...and gnome-sound-properties, etc., run fine... |
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| 03:00.38 | decklin | roshman: for instructions, /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:00.51 | roshman | decklin: thanks |
| 03:01.05 | knapjack | ii gnome-session 2.8.1-5 The GNOME 2 Session Manager |
| 03:01.07 | jaclinuxhelp | somebody help me please. i want to install debian on a machine with NO CD READER, and NO ETHERNET CARD. how can i do this ? it is possible ? |
| 03:01.11 | entheon | jaclinuxhelp, tell these nice people what you intend to do with this machine |
| 03:01.22 | decklin | !tell jaclinuxhelp about repeat |
| 03:01.23 | entheon | jaclinuxhelp, and don't repeat your exact question, it's considered rude on IRC |
| 03:01.25 | wilbertoki | use temporary cd drive |
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| 03:01.40 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: hrm... yeah, I don't see anything interesting. I assume you've got lo up, right? |
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| 03:01.50 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: /sbin/ifconfig lo; to double check |
| 03:02.19 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 03:02.38 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: ok... probably a bug in gnome-session-properties then... use reportbug to file it |
| 03:02.52 | jaclinuxhelp | people, i want to install debian on a VERY OLD machine (pentium 75 mhz, 32 MB RAM, 2GB HD, NO CD, NO ETHERNET) how can i install debian with that hardware config ? |
| 03:03.02 | decklin | jaclinuxhelp: anyway, you see those directories in the archive called disks-<ARCH>? they might be what you're looking for. now go read the installaction documentation on www.debian.org |
| 03:03.02 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: I'm a debfoster fan, and I wonder if I might have uninstalled some package from the base that's required but not listed as a dependency anywhere. |
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| 03:03.18 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: even if you had, that's still a bug |
| 03:03.38 | dondelelcaro | knapjack: since packages need to Depends: upon anything that isn't Essential: yes |
| 03:03.45 | knapjack | dondelelcaro: OK, I'll file the bug. Thanks! I'll also try installing gnome-core and we'll see if it disappears. |
| 03:03.59 | deadcat | is ssh_host_rsa_key.pub suppose to be 666 in /etc/ssh? |
| 03:04.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
| 03:04.34 | deadcat | intersting |
| 03:04.47 | decklin | dondelelcaro: er, shouldn't it be 644? |
| 03:04.50 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: anyone who can connect to the sshd will know what the key is anyway |
| 03:04.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: rrrr 644 |
| 03:05.16 | dondelelcaro | decklin: yeah, 644... I was reading 666 and thinking 644 |
| 03:05.27 | decklin | 666, chmod of the beast. :) |
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| 03:05.46 | deadcat | its 666 on this vhost server |
| 03:05.53 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: oh, that's pretty wrong |
| 03:05.57 | deadcat | damn |
| 03:06.01 | deadcat | better let them know? |
| 03:06.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: since any old fool can truncate the pub key |
| 03:06.08 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
| 03:06.13 | deadcat | thanks |
| 03:06.54 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just make sure they change it to 644 not 600 |
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| 03:10.51 | christor_ | please How to launchc esound at the startup |
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| 03:11.17 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: ok. |
| 03:11.41 | pabl0 | mm.. anyone have a ATI Radeon 9000 running with SID? |
| 03:11.48 | sussudio | pabl0: NEIN |
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| 03:13.58 | h3ej | pabl0: Radeon Mobility 9000 M9 |
| 03:14.22 | pabl0 | h3ej, in laptop? |
| 03:14.31 | h3ej | pabl0: yes |
| 03:14.44 | pabl0 | h3ej, nice. Which drivers are u using? |
| 03:14.48 | pabl0 | official or of DRI? |
| 03:15.05 | h3ej | pabl0: ati |
| 03:15.10 | pabl0 | or you dont care about fps? :-P |
| 03:15.27 | h3ej | my fps is over 1400 |
| 03:15.29 | pabl0 | wow. Can I know your current fps? |
| 03:15.31 | pabl0 | nice! |
| 03:15.33 | pabl0 | which lap? |
| 03:15.41 | pabl0 | I have only 800~900 :-( |
| 03:15.45 | deadcat | i only get 500fps on my laptop |
| 03:15.49 | h3ej | glxgears |
| 03:16.08 | pabl0 | h3ej, yeah, my glxgears (no fl.. gears) gives me 800 |
| 03:16.15 | pabl0 | deadcat, :-P |
| 03:16.22 | deadcat | i have a radeon mobility 7500 |
| 03:16.27 | deadcat | is that ok? |
| 03:16.34 | pabl0 | deadcat, dunno, I dont think so |
| 03:16.47 | deadcat | pabl0: i am using dri-trunk-sid |
| 03:17.34 | pabl0 | h3ej, how u installed your drivers? u 'extracted' the rpm files and installed with sh make.sh && sh make_install.sh them? |
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| 03:18.19 | deadcat | damn my laptop is showing 5:55 on my bat. (= |
| 03:18.21 | h3ej | pabl0: I only install the xfree86 |
| 03:18.21 | deadcat | HAHAHAHA |
| 03:18.27 | h3ej | and use the ati driver |
| 03:18.34 | deadcat | h3ej: which ati driver? |
| 03:18.38 | deadcat | from where? |
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| 03:18.59 | h3ej | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.01 | h3ej | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.16 | pabl0 | deadcat, from ati site :-) |
| 03:19.22 | deadcat | oh. fuck it then. |
| 03:19.58 | h3ej | x-window-system has the ati driver |
| 03:20.33 | pabl0 | ohh |
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| 03:20.33 | deadcat | dont think thats with dri and stuff |
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| 03:21.27 | h3ej | x-windows-system's ati driver is good enough for 9000 |
| 03:21.33 | deadcat | ah |
| 03:21.35 | pabl0 | ohh |
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| 03:24.35 | pete | how can i change two letters in a name of a folder in two other letters? (for 80.000 files/folders)? |
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| 03:24.50 | deadcat | pete: mv |
| 03:25.10 | vulture | rename, presumably |
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| 03:25.53 | pete | deadcat, ja, but i try it since 8h but it wont work :( like this--> for i in *; do mv "$i" "$(echo $i | sed -e 's/ÃCÃÂĪ/ÃÂĪ/g')"; done |
| 03:26.12 | deadcat | pete: what the hell are those weird chars? |
| 03:26.20 | deadcat | pete: man rename |
| 03:26.30 | pete | deadcat, OS9 fu**ing codepage charakters |
| 03:27.00 | findme | how do i record sound in mp3 format with sound-recorder or any other recorder ? |
| 03:27.04 | lightcap_ | I've installed qmail on my debian system, but I can't seem to remove postfix without losing my virtual package, mail-transfer-agent. I need to keep the mail-transfer-agent package so I can apt-get install courier-imapd-ssl. How can I get rid of postfix, and keep the virtual package for mail-transfer-agent? |
| 03:27.17 | pete | deadcat, but how? i mean for every folder and file? |
| 03:27.41 | pete | im not a programmer. just a dumb administrator :/ |
| 03:28.12 | common | findme: audacity maybe ? |
| 03:28.28 | decklin | !tell lightcap_ about equivs |
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| 03:29.26 | lightcap_ | thanks decklin I couldnt remember the name of that package...much appreciated. |
| 03:29.35 | findme | common, k thanks i will try |
| 03:30.07 | common | if you want console give sox a shot |
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| 03:30.31 | lightcap_ | I guess I could also just keep postfix as installed and take it out of /etc/rc2.d, but I'm not sure if that would affect the way things like courier install |
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| 03:30.58 | spoofer | Hi all does anybody know if it is possible to create a "index of indexes" page with jigl ? |
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| 03:32.40 | DaGhettoKid | how do i remote orphaned packages with apt-get |
| 03:33.13 | dondelelcaro | DaGhettoKid: you use debfoster or deborphan |
| 03:33.23 | Randall64 | What commandline tool search uninstalled package contents (i.e. for a file)? |
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| 03:33.24 | dondelelcaro | DaGhettoKid: alternativley, use a frontend like dselect, aptitude, or synaptic. |
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| 03:33.33 | dondelelcaro | Randall64: apt-file |
| 03:33.38 | Randall64 | s/search/will search/ |
| 03:33.56 | DaGhettoKid | thx |
| 03:34.05 | christor_ | Ohlalalala I m very tired |
| 03:34.11 | christor_ | but very very tired |
| 03:34.16 | christor_ | a lot of tired |
| 03:34.25 | christor_ | I m fine but tired |
| 03:34.30 | pipeline | We don't care. |
| 03:34.49 | Randall64 | The things you kids do with your new-fangled apt. |
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| 03:36.57 | MrP | I can't remember what the exactly option was to flush the config files when using apt-get remove, does anyone know it off hand? |
| 03:37.19 | pingouin_ | --purge ? |
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| 03:38.02 | Lirelent | on initial set-up of my debian system i forgot to add in apm support for my kernel... any way i can redo my kernel or add it in? |
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| 03:38.43 | vulture | Lirelent: just add "apm" to /etc/modules if you want to have it modprobe'd on boot |
| 03:38.53 | pingouin_ | Lirelent: or use modconf |
| 03:39.10 | Lirelent | would i have the module though? |
| 03:39.21 | vulture | Lirelent: if you have a stock debian kernel, sure |
| 03:39.26 | vulture | or what pingouin_ said |
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| 03:40.06 | liquidhex | What is the audio editor for X? Like, if I want to rip a small section of an mp3 file, what would I use? |
| 03:40.11 | Lirelent | what do you know...thank you |
| 03:40.22 | Randall64 | What magic do I need to force apt-get to download and install when a version number of a package is too high? I can't get it to just --download-only |
| 03:41.46 | Defenestrator | liquidhex: I would suggest audacity |
| 03:41.54 | liquidhex | cool. |
| 03:41.56 | liquidhex | thanks.. |
| 03:42.09 | Defenestrator | There are probably a number of others, but audacity's pretty decent. I've used it in Windows a fair bit |
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| 03:44.19 | mwilson | Randall64: "too high" is supposed to mean what, exactly? |
| 03:44.48 | mwilson | Randall64: In other words, what problem are you ACTUALLY trying to solve, rather than the one you think you're trying to solve? |
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| 03:45.30 | Randall64 | mwilson: nevermind, I solved it, but thanks for the condescenscion |
| 03:45.38 | Blitx | can you guys see this? |
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| 03:45.46 | Buuyo^ | I can |
| 03:46.16 | Blitx | Cool. I wasn't sure if it would work. It's a new development of my IRC program. |
| 03:46.35 | Buuyo^ | Had to. :) |
| 03:46.42 | Buuyo^ | What's it called, and can I try it? :) |
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| 03:47.10 | Blitx | DNIRC and sure, if you want to. It is still pretty rough atm though. |
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| 03:47.47 | Randall64 | a vegan! |
| 03:47.50 | vegan | :D |
| 03:48.03 | Randall64 | vegans are quite tasty, you know |
| 03:48.11 | vegan | I do :) |
| 03:48.12 | jms | While using k3b, there was a write error. After 30 minutes, it still said "flushing the cache may take some time" Attemps to close k3b did nothing. I annihilated the windows. The DVD drive drawer will now not open. How can I open it without rebooting the pc? |
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| 03:48.38 | Blitx | What is your email/ICQ/MSN? I'll send it to you when I get a good version prepped. |
| 03:48.47 | vegan | Randall64 got a question. I want to install debian via network. I want to get stable and upgrade to testing. what images do I need? |
| 03:49.06 | ApEtc | Blitx: Just out of curiosity, what language? |
| 03:49.16 | Randall64 | vegan: You can install testing itself with a recent d-i. |
| 03:49.34 | vegan | what is d-i |
| 03:49.41 | Randall64 | vegan: debian-installer, finding a link |
| 03:50.18 | Blitx | Apetc, yea?? |
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| 03:50.20 | Randall64 | vegan: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:50.50 | ApEtc | Blitx: What language is the client written in? |
| 03:51.29 | Blitx | what? |
| 03:51.52 | vegan | Randall64 these files were last updated in 2004, is this good to go? |
| 03:52.05 | vegan | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 03:52.08 | ApEtc | Blitx: Nevermind |
| 03:52.09 | Blitx | uh-oh--gotta fix some stuff I think...brb (it is cutting off messages) |
| 03:52.19 | Blitx | All I can see from you apetc, is "Blitx" |
| 03:52.25 | Blitx | BRB |
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| 03:52.59 | ApEtc | Aha, my : was cutting his messages off |
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| 03:54.44 | MrP | How can I flush the configuration files when removing via apt-get? |
| 03:54.50 | Blitx | ok, I should be able to see your messages now |
| 03:54.57 | deadcat | MrP: --purge |
| 03:55.04 | Blitx | sorry apetc |
| 03:55.21 | MrP | Ahh, thanks! |
| 03:55.54 | ApEtc | Blitx: This is a test : : : : Foo |
| 03:55.55 | vegan | Randall64 these files were last updated in 2004, is this good to go? |
| 03:55.59 | vegan | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 03:56.07 | ApEtc | Did you see that properly? It should have ended with "Foo" |
| 03:56.13 | Blitx | Yes, I see it this time |
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| 03:56.17 | ApEtc | Ok |
| 03:56.29 | ApEtc | Above I was asking what programming language you used. |
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| 03:56.54 | Blitx | it's VB.NET |
| 03:57.00 | mith | what's up with d-i.alioth.debian.org ? |
| 03:57.04 | Blitx | I know, it's the evil language |
| 03:57.08 | mith | is there a mirror of the documentation somewhere? |
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| 03:57.19 | Eagle101 | help. does anyone know how i can turn off my virtual desktop tabs in gnome? |
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| 03:57.23 | NeoG | gah.. is there any easier way to compile a kernel.. rather than having to select 10 million options in oldconfig |
| 03:57.38 | TNKS | I've got a question I think someone here should be able to field. |
| 03:57.40 | dondelelcaro | NeoG: run make menuconfig; instead. |
| 03:57.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell TNKS about ask |
| 03:58.17 | Blitx | It might be fun to do it in GTK as well |
| 03:58.19 | vegan | su - |
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| 03:59.35 | Blitx | brb |
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| 04:00.00 | jordo23 | When you edit a textfile from a shell in Debian, what is the most common shell text editor that is used? |
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| 04:00.21 | kvn[0] | Depends on what the file is, and who is editing it. |
| 04:00.21 | mith | vi |
| 04:00.22 | NeoG | dondelelcaro: i have to install something i cant find to use menuconfig |
| 04:00.36 | TNKS | All right, so I have a local network with a desktop and a laptop. I have the router set to port forward most stuff to my desktop, and I've assigned a nice domain name from dyndns.org to the router. |
| 04:00.44 | auggie | i prefer nano, cause i'm not leet |
| 04:00.51 | balcomes | my monitor setup is screwed up in sarge. what do i have to run to fix it? |
| 04:00.52 | dondelelcaro | NeoG: you need libncurses5-dev |
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| 04:00.55 | dondelelcaro | NeoG: /msg dpkg kp |
| 04:01.25 | balcomes | config-base doesnt give me the monitor setup |
| 04:01.25 | jordo23 | kvn[0]: say the samba config file for instance.. |
| 04:01.25 | vegan | gordo23 vi or vim |
| 04:01.29 | TNKS | When I use my laptop from a remote connection, I connect with the domain name, but that doesn't work so well when I'm on my network locally. |
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| 04:01.40 | TNKS | everything gets bounced around. |
| 04:02.00 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: set up an alias to the appropriate machine in /etc/hosts on your laptop |
| 04:02.17 | jordo23 | vegan: what's the difference? |
| 04:02.25 | kvn[0] | jordo23: Personally, I would use vi because I know it won't ruin the file. |
| 04:02.31 | vegan | vi and vi improved |
| 04:02.39 | TNKS | dondelelcaro, will I have to keep on changing /etc/hosts depending on my location? |
| 04:02.49 | TNKS | will I be overridding DNS? |
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| 04:02.53 | vegan | http://www.vim.org/ |
| 04:02.54 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: yes, you will be. |
| 04:03.02 | vegan | jordo23 http://www.vim.org/ |
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| 04:03.28 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: if it's a big deal, you can set up a dns server inside of your little network that resolves the hostname appropriately inside.. |
| 04:03.39 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: or you can just not bother at all, and run the packets through the router straight |
| 04:03.43 | vegan | jordo23 http://thomer.com/vi/vi.html |
| 04:04.02 | balcomes | my monitor setup is screwed up in sarge. what do i have to run to fix it? |
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| 04:04.20 | jordo23 | thanks for the infp ppl! |
| 04:04.28 | liquidhex | what is libmp3lame.so part of? audacity needs it to export to mp3 |
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| 04:04.34 | dondelelcaro | TNKS: if you're really doing this properly, you can also have multiple /etc/network/interfaces settings, and move the apporpriate /etc/hosts file in place depending on whether your inside our outside the firewall. |
| 04:04.42 | dondelelcaro | liquidhex: lame. It's in non-free, iirc. |
| 04:04.54 | dondelelcaro | !info lame |
| 04:05.01 | jsaxton14 | I recently installed Debian. I installed the nvidia driver (I have a ti4200) and edited my XF86Config file to support resolutions up to 1024X768 and use the nvidia driver. However, I am still stuck in 800X600 mode. I don't have the option to switch out of it. Any ideas? |
| 04:05.09 | dondelelcaro | !lame |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | somebody said lame was : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 04:05.12 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 04:05.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 three-legged oxen. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 04:05.15 | dondelelcaro | liquidhex: see above. |
| 04:05.19 | liquidhex | thanks. |
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| 04:07.13 | common | jordo23: give joe a shot |
| 04:07.18 | sussudio | !shoot joe |
| 04:07.31 | cycom | !shoot me |
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| 04:07.45 | cycom | mmm...badgers |
| 04:08.37 | gurubie | How do you copy a whole (sarge) partition at once and as is? |
| 04:08.41 | auggie | jsaxton14: do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:08.55 | jsaxton14 | auggie: I'll try that |
| 04:09.03 | auggie | have to run it as root |
| 04:09.11 | jsaxton14 | ok, thanks for the tip |
| 04:09.23 | karsten_ | gurubie: tar |
| 04:09.51 | TNKS | dondelelcaro, thanks, I guess changing the /etc/hosts file isn't that big a deal; setting up an entire DNS server sounds heavy-handed. |
| 04:09.59 | karsten | Do parted/qparted support NTFS, and if so, with what caveats? |
| 04:10.16 | De_Mon | i'm thinking no |
| 04:10.47 | gurubie | karsten: Use 2.6 |
| 04:10.57 | karsten | gurubie: ?? |
| 04:11.04 | De_Mon | 2.6 has NTFS write support? |
| 04:11.16 | karsten | gurubie: Ah. Kernel. |
| 04:11.33 | karsten | De_Mon: parted is independent of the kernel IIUC. |
| 04:11.42 | gurubie | karsten: Use the newer ntfsresize (usually w/2.6) |
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| 04:11.57 | vegan | cd .. |
| 04:12.01 | vegan | su - |
| 04:12.04 | rellik | !shoot yourself |
| 04:12.37 | vegan | !shoot rellik |
| 04:13.13 | De_Mon | karsten i just dont see how you can repartition when the partition cant be defragmented(writing) |
| 04:13.14 | vegan | is this correct? |
| 04:13.26 | karsten | De_Mon: Sec. |
| 04:13.30 | vegan | dd if=dev/fd0 of=image.name |
| 04:14.04 | karsten | vegan: Sure. 'bs=1024' if you like but it's the default. |
| 04:14.33 | karsten | De_Mon: ntfsresize handles defrag by itself. Not sure about qtparted.... |
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| 04:14.54 | Blitx | yo |
| 04:15.12 | alemao | what is the package that GNOME install for that white cursor? |
| 04:15.17 | vegan | karsten are you sure? I think its backwards. |
| 04:15.20 | vegan | dd if=myimagefile of=/dev/fd0 |
| 04:15.30 | vegan | which is correct? |
| 04:15.33 | gurubie | OK please help me. I tried sevral times to copy/move sarge hda6 to hda1 (first place :) ) working around /dev /sys/ and /var failure to copy and still the data sisve is off by 4MB. Isn't there a command and easier way? |
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| 04:16.01 | karsten | vegan: You trying to write to the floppy or from it? You've got from going on. |
| 04:16.12 | vegan | write to it. |
| 04:16.19 | nsanity | how do you get stuff normally in .xinitrc to load when using gdm? |
| 04:16.21 | karsten | vegan: if == infile. of == outfiel. |
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| 04:16.29 | karsten | nsanity: 'default' |
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| 04:16.35 | karsten | nsanity: IIRC |
| 04:16.35 | decklin | gurubie: those are probably all mounted on something else. |
| 04:16.35 | vegan | karsten so which would be correct? |
| 04:16.37 | nsanity | karsten: default? |
| 04:16.50 | karsten | vegan: Here's a quarter, buy a clue. |
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| 04:16.57 | karsten | nsanity: Is there a "default" session option? |
| 04:17.03 | vegan | karsten heres my bird finger fuck you. |
| 04:17.04 | vegan | :D |
| 04:17.14 | karsten | vegan: Best offer I've had in weeks. |
| 04:17.19 | nsanity | I suppose, I just chose fluxbox |
| 04:17.31 | decklin | nsanity: .xsession |
| 04:17.40 | nsanity | decklin: I tried that |
| 04:18.02 | gurubie | decklin: I took it down with telint 1 but still no match using cp -arxp. Is taht the best way? |
| 04:18.20 | alemao | nsanity: i think it will look for .xsession instead of .xinitrc .. but is just to choose "Default System Theme" |
| 04:19.07 | decklin | gurubie: that's not 'failure'. -x means 'don't copy anything that's actually mounted on another filesystem'. that's what you want. |
| 04:19.16 | nsanity | hmm |
| 04:19.42 | decklin | also, -a means -dpR, so -r and -p are redundant |
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| 04:19.56 | nsanity | lemme try that |
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| 04:21.08 | vegan | PIMP PIMP |
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| 04:25.37 | gurubie | decklin: Thanks |
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| 04:25.56 | Blitx | sup? |
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| 04:26.20 | NetZwerg | good morning |
| 04:26.27 | xim | good evening |
| 04:26.35 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 04:26.53 | inetd | sarge netinstall sucks |
| 04:27.09 | NetZwerg | while running ssh -d 2020 remotehost, i get disconnected with the following message: Protocol error during session: type 80 |
| 04:27.13 | NetZwerg | this is packet read error |
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| 04:27.24 | NetZwerg | but it runs from another pc fine. Any suggestions? |
| 04:28.42 | Blitx | same issue |
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| 04:29.31 | deadcat | sarge install sucks. |
| 04:29.32 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:30.19 | nvz | !yinzersmite deadcat |
| 04:30.28 | pipeline | inetd: yeah, no shit. Use the PXE install images. |
| 04:30.37 | deadcat | )=. always smiting me... |
| 04:30.39 | NetZwerg | it takes 2 seconds, no matter what traffic i route through that tunnel, it always disconnects with type 80. |
| 04:30.58 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 04:31.12 | NetZwerg | i truly start wondering y. 1 pc to the left it runs fine without any disconnects. |
| 04:31.22 | nvz | deadcat: thats what you get for lame put downs on sarge |
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| 04:31.46 | deadcat | heheh |
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| 04:32.23 | Overand | is there a good way to determine what app is accessing my hard drive? i'm trying to figure out what keeps spinning up the drive on my laptop |
| 04:32.53 | NetZwerg | lsof |
| 04:33.04 | Overand | hm i can do watch lsof i suppose |
| 04:33.22 | Overand | holy rap there's a lot of stuff open |
| 04:33.24 | Xemacs_ | is kawfee gone yet ? |
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| 04:34.29 | Overand | NetZwerg: any suggestion on how to make this usable, bsides just making it -t (terse) ? |
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| 04:34.47 | leito | HOLA! |
| 04:34.51 | inetd | pipeline: url? |
| 04:35.14 | deadcat | !spanish |
| 04:35.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:35.22 | pipeline | inetd: ... it's on the same FTP as everything else...? |
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| 04:35.33 | cycom | !pig-latin |
| 04:35.40 | cycom | aww... |
| 04:35.42 | Overand | heh |
| 04:35.48 | NetZwerg | not really ;) |
| 04:35.53 | Overand | unfortunately tthe pig-latin console app doesn't like me to use /exec -o |
| 04:35.54 | NetZwerg | i grep my needs out of it |
| 04:36.07 | Overand | otherwise i'd be a pig-lating speaking maniac |
| 04:36.17 | cycom | !igpay-atinlay |
| 04:36.23 | cycom | damn. foiled again! |
| 04:36.44 | Overand | how can i funnel 'command-line-paramaters' into an app |
| 04:36.49 | Overand | that's expecting stdin |
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| 04:37.00 | Overand | OH |
| 04:37.10 | cycom | yes Overand? |
| 04:37.11 | Overand | Omethingsay inway igpay atinlay |
| 04:37.14 | Overand | SWEET! |
| 04:37.22 | Overand | /exec -o echo "Something in pig latin" | pig |
| 04:37.32 | dondelelcaro | Overand: xargs |
| 04:37.32 | Overand | Time to make a script, heh |
| 04:37.49 | cycom | inway? |
| 04:37.50 | dondelelcaro | oh, nevermind... you meant the other way. |
| 04:37.55 | cycom | I thought it was inay. |
| 04:37.56 | albo_ | how can i downgrade from bash 3 to to bash 2 |
| 04:38.10 | deadcat | anyone uses happy hacking keyboard? |
| 04:38.15 | dondelelcaro | albo_: install the old version of bash from sdn |
| 04:38.27 | albo_ | sdn ? |
| 04:38.30 | dondelelcaro | !sdn |
| 04:38.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 04:38.46 | larsbars | Q: is there a utility that reports the coordinates of my cursor? |
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| 04:39.07 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: xev will |
| 04:39.09 | deadcat | i need a keyboard that doesnt have the numpad.. (= but not happy hacking kayboard |
| 04:39.25 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: my keyboard doesn't have a numpad... |
| 04:39.29 | cycom | deadcat: might I suggest a hacksaw? |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: but then, it's almost as big as one that does... |
| 04:39.33 | Azar | hmm I have tried two times installations, for NVIDIA and XF86Config-4 , carefully, and I still cannot startx, I am new at X stuff do I miss something? I need a manager installed first? 2.6.10 here with latest nVidia driver correctly installed by the book. Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 04:39.55 | deadcat | cycom: let me search that. |
| 04:39.57 | larsbars | dondelcaro: but only when i'm in it's window |
| 04:39.57 | cycom | have you seen the laptops that are so big that they can fit a numpad on the keyboard? |
| 04:40.05 | cycom | what's the point?! |
| 04:40.09 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you mean the one that looks all weird? no thanks. (= |
| 04:40.20 | vulture | cycom: the point is they have massive screens for watching video n stuff.. |
| 04:40.22 | vulture | *shrugs* |
| 04:40.26 | cycom | 'my laptop is so wide that I have to buy two seats on an airline to use it!' |
| 04:40.36 | vulture | the 17" powermacs could have a numpad, but they don't (I don't think) |
| 04:40.50 | dondelelcaro | vulture: no, they're not quite that wide |
| 04:40.52 | Azar | yay if you can afford such a big laptop, you can buy two seats on an airline |
| 04:40.56 | larsbars | dondelcaro: nevermind, if i run it full screen and then click where i want, and then catch those events, then i can do it. thank you! |
| 04:40.57 | deadcat | cycom: need link please |
| 04:41.10 | larsbars | delel |
| 04:41.11 | cycom | not if you spent all your money on the laptop |
| 04:41.11 | NetZwerg | lets try something else, how do i start ssh -D 2020 in a way the socks listens on eth0 not on loopback? |
| 04:41.18 | dondelelcaro | larsbars: np |
| 04:41.19 | cycom | deadcat: please tell me you're not serious |
| 04:41.44 | cycom | I'm talking about the big thing with teeth to cut a keyboard with deadcat. not a keyboard called a hacksaw... |
| 04:41.50 | deadcat | cycom: what? i dont know this shit man... stop fucking with my head. (= |
| 04:41.56 | cycom | lol! |
| 04:42.00 | deadcat | damn |
| 04:42.01 | Azar | :) |
| 04:42.02 | deadcat | bastard. |
| 04:42.11 | cycom | wow. |
| 04:42.28 | vulture | dondelelcaro: http://a1584.g.akamai.net/7/1584/51/9b06c2cb80bcf2/www.apple.com/pr/images/ref_pbg4_17_top.jpg |
| 04:42.34 | dondelelcaro | hrm... a hack saw would be an interesting name for a keyboard... |
| 04:42.37 | Azar | hey I can stay in console mode for a while, nethack and irssi work ok there |
| 04:42.37 | vulture | I reckon a numpad would fit if you moved the keyboard across.. |
| 04:43.00 | pipeline | vulture: That would ruin the aesthetics *rolleyes* |
| 04:43.02 | cycom | when you said 'let me search that' I thought you were joking, but when you said 'need a link please' I went 'oh...shit.' |
| 04:43.06 | vulture | pipeline: indeed |
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| 04:43.11 | Azar | but then my moving out of mswindows will be delayed and I am in a hurry to move over |
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| 04:43.15 | pipeline | vulture: God those things are ugly in person :P |
| 04:43.16 | dondelelcaro | vulture: not really... because the keyboard would still need to be centered... |
| 04:43.21 | skip_ | any fstab experts in here? |
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| 04:43.38 | dondelelcaro | vulture: otherwise it's rediculously uncomfortable to type for a long period of time |
| 04:43.54 | cycom | the debian mantra skip_: rtfm! hehe |
| 04:43.54 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: And there would STILL be room, but it would make the keyboard ugly. |
| 04:44.05 | cycom | I'm not an expert, but I'll try to help |
| 04:44.06 | pipeline | skip_: That, or ask a more detailed question. |
| 04:44.08 | vulture | dondelelcaro: granted |
| 04:44.16 | cycom | wassamatter skip_ ? |
| 04:44.25 | pipeline | skip_: Taking a poll doesn't really tell you anything about your problem, now does it? :P |
| 04:44.26 | sime | theres no mirror of packages.d.o is there ? |
| 04:44.46 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: there isn't space for the 4x5 keys that a numeric keypad would take... |
| 04:44.51 | cycom | deadcat: in all seriousness, you might be able to find a 'travel' keyboard that suits your needs. |
| 04:44.57 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: not that it would matter anyway, since you just press a button, and it's there. |
| 04:45.12 | skip_ | cycom: I have read the manual, that's why I'm here. The problem is that I'm trying to mount a usb flash drive but it keeps trying to mount as /dev/sda1, instead of sda |
| 04:45.16 | dondelelcaro | sime: anything you'd use pdo to do, you can use dpkg or apt-file to do |
| 04:45.24 | cycom | aha! that I do know about |
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| 04:45.40 | man_in_shack | i got a problem with flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 04:45.50 | cycom | guess what. your flash drive has paritions! so sda1 is the first (and probobly only) partition. |
| 04:45.57 | ashtars-fanclub | sirs i have a problem |
| 04:46.01 | dondelelcaro | skip_: unless you've reformatted your usb flash drive, odds it really is /dev/sda1 |
| 04:46.01 | cycom | just as you mount 'hda1' instead of 'hda' |
| 04:46.11 | skip_ | i can mount it as sda, but not sda1 |
| 04:46.20 | cycom | whoa |
| 04:46.21 | dondelelcaro | skip_: then change fstab to use sda, instead of sda1. |
| 04:46.24 | man_in_shack | someone sent me a quiz from quizyourfriends.com and it's not displaying the question or answers? |
| 04:46.25 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Heh, drives me nuts on a laptop. My laptop, fortunately, allows you to use numlock in a sane way. |
| 04:46.26 | man_in_shack | | |
| 04:46.40 | skip_ | I did, but under the #dynamic bit, it keeps changing it to sda1 |
| 04:46.44 | deadcat | wonder what would happen if i cut the numpad part of the kb off. |
| 04:47.02 | dondelelcaro | skip_: do it above the #dynamic part |
| 04:47.06 | ashtars-fanclub | just installed sarge from the netinstall, and lilo only loads linux even if windows etc are in the list it doesnt even bring up a menu where i can select different kernel images |
| 04:47.17 | cycom | deadcat: try it on an old one or a 10$ one from radio shack |
| 04:47.22 | skip_ | I did, but then it doesn't auto mount it when I plug it in |
| 04:47.26 | cycom | just use an exacto for the plastic layer |
| 04:47.31 | sime | dondelelcaro, actually wanted changelogs.debian.org |
| 04:47.43 | deadcat | cycom: i will later.. (= $4 dell quiet key |
| 04:47.45 | Xemacs_ | ashtars-fanclub, did you do update-grub ? |
| 04:47.47 | dondelelcaro | sime: just get the new version of the package, and look at the changelog |
| 04:47.53 | cycom | deadcat: NOW dammit! |
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| 04:48.10 | cycom | skip_: hang on for a sec. |
| 04:48.10 | deadcat | cycom: )=... lazy. |
| 04:48.13 | Aerdan | What version of libgd is libgd-dev in testing? |
| 04:48.25 | dondelelcaro | !+info libgd-dev testing |
| 04:48.29 | dpkg | libgd-dev: (GD Graphics Library (transitional package)), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 1.8.4-36.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 04:48.30 | ashtars-fanclub | xemacs i dont use grub i use lilo |
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| 04:48.39 | Aerdan | thanks. |
| 04:48.50 | deadcat | wish my keyboard is like my apple laptop keyboard. |
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| 04:49.52 | DarkPainter | hey guys, um... how do i go about installing my wireless pcmcia card? |
| 04:50.44 | nvz | you probably slide it in with your hand like any other card |
| 04:50.50 | DarkPainter | .... |
| 04:50.57 | DarkPainter | when i do, it just beeps twice |
| 04:51.06 | nevyn_ | yes... |
| 04:51.10 | cycom | nvz: boy did that sound wrong |
| 04:51.13 | DarkPainter | then what O_o |
| 04:51.14 | nevyn_ | so it it works |
| 04:51.26 | nvz | twice is an even, must be a good thin |
| 04:51.33 | nevyn_ | DarkPainter: then it's justrecognised and works. |
| 04:51.34 | nvz | s/thin/thing/ |
| 04:51.38 | Xemacs_ | ashtars-fanclu I forget how lilo does things, you probably need to update the menu somhow, see /usr/share/doc ..... |
| 04:51.44 | DarkPainter | so it just works by itself? wth? |
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| 04:52.02 | DarkPainter | i dont need to download anything or setup anything?! |
| 04:52.10 | nevyn_ | DarkPainter: well it's recognised as a ethernet card. |
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| 04:52.16 | Agrajag- | hey all, im having a bit of trouble with X11 forwarding with ssh, i've set X11Forwading to yes in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restarted ssh, connected to the machine with -X, but i still get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: |
| 04:52.17 | DarkPainter | yea i know that lol |
| 04:52.27 | Agrajag- | is there something i've missed? |
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| 04:52.37 | nevyn_ | DarkPainter: if there's an ap in range that doesn't require wep and provides dhcp then yes. |
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| 04:52.48 | nvz | Agrajag-: ever see a man taking a shit while running at full speed? |
| 04:52.48 | ApEtc | Agrajag-: Is it enabled on the local end as well? |
| 04:52.48 | DarkPainter | yea its got a wep key i need to enter |
| 04:52.57 | Agrajag- | ApEtc: yeah |
| 04:53.05 | nevyn_ | DarkPainter: you need wireless-tools |
| 04:53.06 | Azar | hmm I have tried two times installations, for NVIDIA and XF86Config-4 , carefully, and I still cannot startx, I am new at X stuff do I miss something? I need a manager installed first? 2.6.10 here with latest nVidia driver correctly installed by the book. Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 04:53.07 | deadcat | DarkPainter: we've meet again... |
| 04:53.09 | Agrajag- | nvz: no, can't say i have |
| 04:53.10 | nvz | Agrajag-: then you missed that, because some jackass did it |
| 04:53.14 | DarkPainter | yea hi dead |
| 04:53.31 | deadcat | DarkPainter: what you asking now? |
| 04:53.35 | Agrajag- | i've also tried export DISPLAY and adding the host with xhost +, but still no go |
| 04:53.37 | DarkPainter | i gotta go brush my teeth but i'll be back, if anyone wants to tell me anything, so i dont miss it, please send it to me in a private message!! |
| 04:54.02 | Agrajag- | nvz: well i'll look out for it, sounds like a brilliant achievement |
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| 04:54.33 | Azar | actually: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests |
| 04:55.20 | Azar | is it needed a XWindow manager in order to use X? |
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| 04:55.42 | NetZwerg | no |
| 04:55.44 | NetZwerg | it is not |
| 04:56.01 | MobyTurbo | Azar: what was the name of the meta package you installed? |
| 04:56.21 | Azar | MobyTurbo XF86Config-4 |
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| 04:56.34 | Azar | I did not install any X manager yet |
| 04:56.53 | NetZwerg | u do not need, as long your have X itself isntalled |
| 04:56.55 | MobyTurbo | not the name of the configuration, the name of what you apt-getted. |
| 04:57.09 | MobyTurbo | NetZwerg: incorrect. |
| 04:57.11 | mike_ | hi, im trying to set up a postscript printer on my windoze box (print server) and my linux box (print client). I can send raw data to the printer and it prints but when i have installed the postscript driver for windoze and installed the ppd on linux, it won't print at all |
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| 04:57.31 | Azar | Moby-Turbo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:57.36 | NetZwerg | just: echo "/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm" > .xinitrc && startx should run the xterm upon X |
| 04:57.42 | mike_ | the printer is a canon bjc 800 and the raw data is postscript raw data. |
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| 04:57.59 | NetZwerg | MobyTurbo i ran X without any windowmanager so it is not incorrect |
| 04:58.29 | MobyTurbo | Azar: you need to get x-window-system or x-window-system-core, the former includes twm and other packages. The latter needs you to add the window manager and the xterm but installs less packages. |
| 04:58.56 | MobyTurbo | NetZwerg: in any case, installing the server with no client will not work on a single system installation. |
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| 04:59.25 | NetZwerg | i did not say do not install client i said you will need a fully X, but NO windowmanager |
| 04:59.30 | MobyTurbo | NetZwerg: unless you're thinking of twm, you will get windows but be unable to move them in that case - but he's not having that difficulty. |
| 04:59.49 | ashtars-fanclub | is there any way to override lilo boot to change what to load before like in grub*? |
| 04:59.51 | skip_ | to those that were helping me with my fstab problem, thanks, I've just figured it out. Had to put the mount line in fstab ABOVE #dynamic entries, and also mount it to a directory other than the one that was auto created |
| 04:59.53 | NetZwerg | he did not ask for being able to move his windows |
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| 04:59.59 | liquidhex | How come apache keeps telling people that files they try to access in /var/www are forbidden? what do I have to chmod the files to? |
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| 05:00.02 | NetZwerg | he did ask if it is possible to run X withou WM |
| 05:00.04 | NetZwerg | and it IS |
| 05:00.07 | NetZwerg | eod |
| 05:00.25 | Azar | my wish is to get OpenBox3 |
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| 05:00.27 | theaptitude | hi, i'd like to run something everytime i boot my debian up... i wonder where to put this line in? |
| 05:00.39 | MobyTurbo | NetZwerg: but that's not his real problem in any case, his problem is he installed the server but wiht no clients. |
| 05:01.00 | Azar | ah I see, so I need something to run on X |
| 05:01.07 | NetZwerg | he did not ask for that ;) so he should state his questions in a better way |
| 05:01.08 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 05:01.09 | MobyTurbo | Azar: apt-get install x-window-system-core openbox xterm |
| 05:01.19 | scarynetworkguy | liquidhex: You need to read the Apache docs and not be stupid. |
| 05:01.21 | Azar | thank you guys :) |
| 05:01.22 | NetZwerg | im not yet able to read minds |
| 05:01.23 | deadcat | MobyTurbo: amen to that. |
| 05:01.23 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
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| 05:03.46 | deadcat | my openbox theme currently have - + x for min max close, i am looking for a .xbm file that looks like / for shade so i have + - x / heheh |
| 05:04.22 | NetZwerg | i get crazy if i think about it any longer ... running on localhost: ssh -D 2020 remotehost, resulsts in an type 80 disconnect while routing traffic through the tunnel. running ssh -D 2020 -g remotehost on another linuxmachine does work fine, even if i route the same traffic through |
| 05:04.33 | NetZwerg | results even |
| 05:04.54 | MobyTurbo | deadcat: whoever invented using XML for human-edited files is the first against the wall when the revolution comes. |
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| 05:05.18 | ashtars-fanclub | anyone know if the netinstaller with debian installer allows u to do a rescue? |
| 05:05.25 | NetZwerg | so, i concluded the ssh-package on the localpc is altered. Could that be right? |
| 05:05.27 | deadcat | MobyTurbo: (= |
| 05:05.34 | NetZwerg | but i just installed it 2 mins ago *G* |
| 05:05.50 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 05:05.50 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:05.51 | Azar | I had openbox before but all installation was done by a friend, now I am taking my share of learning but the manual was not quite clear to me |
| 05:06.15 | deadcat | ashtars-fanclub: yes. just boot it up alt+f2, chroot |
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| 05:07.45 | ashtars-fanclub | how about overriding lilo boot, right now it just loads the default immediately |
| 05:08.22 | MobyTurbo | ashtars-fanclub: press shift when the "lilo" first appears. |
| 05:08.32 | ashtars-fanclub | tnx |
| 05:08.52 | ashtars-fanclub | i'll try it now thanks all |
| 05:09.03 | ashtars-fanclub | press shift or hold shift? |
| 05:09.18 | NetZwerg | as soon you press shift it will stop counting |
| 05:09.30 | ashtars-fanclub | well it doesnt count at all it just loads |
| 05:09.34 | ashtars-fanclub | lilo |
| 05:09.43 | ashtars-fanclub | then; lilo .... ... loading linux |
| 05:09.54 | NetZwerg | it does count in the background for bout, 1 sec. or 10 milliseconds |
| 05:09.56 | theaptitude | i would like to start a program every time i start debian... i wonder where to put this program in? somewhere in /etc? is it one of the init.d files? |
| 05:10.07 | MobyTurbo | ashtars-fanclub: press shift, but holding to make sure won't hurt. :) |
| 05:10.12 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 05:10.17 | ashtars-fanclub | ok, tnx nice |
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| 05:16.00 | mohohaha | dam it guess what i just did |
| 05:16.06 | netsurfer | rm -rf / |
| 05:16.06 | qwer | hi all |
| 05:16.07 | netsurfer | ? |
| 05:16.57 | kevlarx | how would you rate debian to gentoo or fedora core |
| 05:17.02 | mohohaha | i run vmware on debian, in it i run winxp that runs a cygwin, in that cygwin in run another vmware and put gentoo in it and it's now doing stage 1 |
| 05:17.04 | qwer | i have problems w/ 2.6 w/ my mouse. i googled in vain. no prob w/ 2.4... |
| 05:17.13 | tingting | hi, I have just installed debian. I am having problem seeing Chinese characters on the noseguy screensaver. |
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| 05:17.40 | ashtars-fanclub | didnt work that holding shift |
| 05:17.54 | ashtars-fanclub | let me clarify, it doesnt even show the menu at al |
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| 05:19.19 | qwer | the machine is an acer travelmate 522txv, w/ 2.4 X is working flawlessly |
| 05:19.28 | Brisa | hi |
| 05:19.43 | Brisa | help with debian please? |
| 05:19.43 | qwer | Brisa: hi |
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| 05:19.58 | ashtars-fanclub | i would switch to grub to get rid of this lilo nonsence but, grub-install /dev/hda fails |
| 05:20.13 | ashtars-fanclub | either that or it takes ridicilously long |
| 05:20.55 | NetZwerg | ashtars-fanclub edit lilo.conf add prompt and delay=100 |
| 05:20.59 | NetZwerg | run lilo |
| 05:21.04 | NetZwerg | reboot, menu will be there |
| 05:21.28 | Brisa | I am a newbie in linux |
| 05:21.35 | ashtars-fanclub | thanks but, is 0 as time a sane default? |
| 05:21.41 | Brisa | and the manuals are not clear from me |
| 05:21.58 | NetZwerg | Brisa also for newbies: Just state your question and do not ask for help ;) |
| 05:21.59 | qwer | Brisa: what do you need? |
| 05:22.04 | tingting | can anyone please help with the fonts? |
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| 05:22.12 | vulture | Brisa: if you have difficulty understanding a specific man page, ask about that, perhaps we can point out a way of reading/understanding it that will help |
| 05:22.25 | deadcat | wonder why openbox doesnt just put the damn config file in ~/.openboxrc or something. has to be ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml damn |
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| 05:22.52 | NetZwerg | hrhr, xml, the users closest fiend |
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| 05:23.07 | NetZwerg | enemy even |
| 05:23.09 | Brisa | when i installed debian, i choose a wrong mouse / dev / something / mice |
| 05:23.26 | vulture | Brisa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:23.27 | Brisa | ok |
| 05:23.28 | deadcat | Brisa: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select a diff one. |
| 05:23.29 | vulture | then choose the right one |
| 05:23.35 | ashtars-fanclub | is it possible to dist-upgrade from ubuntu to debian? |
| 05:23.45 | Brisa | now i have to change the mouse at hand every time i boot the machine |
| 05:23.57 | Brisa | why it is not keeping what i say ? |
| 05:24.00 | NetZwerg | u chose /dev/input/mice i guess, this is generally a good idea as long as you have kernel-mouse-interface. If you have not, for PS2 try /dev/psaux and USB /dev/input/mouse0 |
| 05:24.01 | vulture | Brisa: what exactly are you changing every time you boot? |
| 05:24.01 | leito | no |
| 05:24.12 | Brisa | whay istill reverting to what I say at setup time ? |
| 05:24.20 | qwer | Brisa: there are config files for that |
| 05:24.26 | deadcat | ashtars-fanclub: when you dist-upgrade in ubuntu its upgrading ubuntu i think. but you can try to use debfoster to remove everything except the base install then fix your sources.list and dist-upgrade i guess. |
| 05:24.26 | Brisa | yes |
| 05:24.29 | vulture | Brisa: What is it you are changing every time you boot? |
| 05:24.55 | Brisa | i am changing / etc / x11 / xf86config-4 |
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| 05:25.30 | vulture | Brisa: you are manually editing that file, and you reckon it is being changed back every time you reboot? |
| 05:25.36 | Brisa | yes |
| 05:25.39 | Brisa | that's right |
| 05:25.45 | NetZwerg | thats good, it should not be changed by any process, as long you do not start any autoconfigfile or using knoppix. |
| 05:25.49 | qwer | Brisa: can you diff it? |
| 05:25.51 | vulture | seems unlikely.. |
| 05:25.57 | Brisa | excuse me |
| 05:25.59 | NetZwerg | sounds knoppix |
| 05:25.59 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 05:26.04 | Brisa | i only have two hours useing debian |
| 05:26.17 | Brisa | and not |
| 05:26.21 | Brisa | is not knopix |
| 05:26.29 | Brisa | i tried knoppix first |
| 05:26.32 | Brisa | and i liked |
| 05:26.37 | NetZwerg | i never saw any autochanging on boot to XF86Config-4 |
| 05:26.38 | qwer | Brisa: what is the exact difference b/w the files |
| 05:26.42 | qwer | Brisa: ? |
| 05:26.44 | Brisa | but a friend told me that i could not install knoppix to my hd |
| 05:26.45 | DarkPainter | wow brisa, dont spam the enter key man.... |
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| 05:26.57 | deadcat | !tell Brisa about entert |
| 05:26.59 | deadcat | !tell Brisa about enter |
| 05:27.03 | vordul | Brisa - He meant "don't install Knoppix to your hard drive" |
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| 05:28.00 | DarkPainter | so... im back. dead, would you be kind enough to assist me with this? =/ |
| 05:28.10 | DarkPainter | i'd be greatful lol |
| 05:28.15 | vulture | Brisa: so you really see the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 changing back to some old value every time you boot? because that's not really likely. but if you dpkg-reconfigure and put the settings in that way it should be fine in any case.. |
| 05:28.18 | deadcat | DarkPainter: ask and dont call me dead |
| 05:28.24 | DarkPainter | yes sir =| |
| 05:28.26 | tingting | hi, I have just installed debian. I am having problem seeing Chinese characters on the noseguy screensaver. |
| 05:28.27 | deadcat | (= |
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| 05:28.49 | deadcat | tingting: the nose guy is NOT chinese (= |
| 05:28.50 | DarkPainter | installing, setup and management of my wireless pcmcia card? |
| 05:28.50 | qwer | tingting: do you see the chars otherwise? |
| 05:28.52 | NetZwerg | noseguy screensaver, i guess fortuneteller? |
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| 05:29.07 | deadcat | DarkPainter: apt-get install wireless-tools are you using encryption? |
| 05:29.13 | DarkPainter | yes i am |
| 05:29.18 | DarkPainter | wep 64-bit |
| 05:29.29 | deadcat | DarkPainter: is the driver configured and stuff? where are you at the moment? |
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| 05:29.37 | Brisa | please vulture, i have not idea what are you talking about. I am not an expert in linux, nor nothing like that |
| 05:29.41 | tingting | qwer, i see numbers and stuff. its all weird |
| 05:30.04 | qwer | tingting: is it supposed to print chinese? |
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| 05:30.11 | deadcat | the fortuneteller is a black guy. |
| 05:30.13 | tingting | NetZwerg, yeah from fortunes-zh |
| 05:30.25 | tingting | qwer, i would hope so |
| 05:31.00 | DarkPainter | it doesnt even recognize it, i just plug it in and it beeps twice... from what i can see it doesnt do anything else.. |
| 05:31.10 | qwer | tingting: i dont have that package in my repository.. :( |
| 05:31.13 | DarkPainter | what will wireless-tools give me? |
| 05:31.14 | NetZwerg | tingting check your locales at first |
| 05:31.28 | deadcat | DarkPainter: iwconfig iwlist iwpriv iwspy and shits |
| 05:31.38 | deadcat | DarkPainter: you need iwconfig atleast. |
| 05:31.40 | tingting | qwer, i meant fortune-zh |
| 05:31.43 | DarkPainter | ok thats alot of stuff |
| 05:31.55 | DarkPainter | will it give me apps so i can do this in an interface? |
| 05:32.02 | qwer | tingting: yes, it doesn't exist in my deb rep. |
| 05:32.13 | tingting | NetZwerg, how? i usually want english anyway, maybe i can just change my font? |
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| 05:32.26 | qwer | tingting: back agaib, do you get chinese on the other apps? |
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| 05:32.36 | deadcat | DarkPainter: no. i dont know any GUI interface for setting up wireless. |
| 05:32.39 | tingting | qwer, its in the main debian repository |
| 05:32.42 | DarkPainter | crap |
| 05:32.52 | NetZwerg | check for installed package locales |
| 05:32.54 | tingting | qwer, yep. in firefox |
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| 05:33.00 | NetZwerg | if not install, else may reconfigure it |
| 05:33.01 | DarkPainter | o well... i already did apt-get install pcmcia-cs... i guess that was a right thing to do |
| 05:33.02 | qwer | tingting: the mirrors don't mirror everything! |
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| 05:33.26 | tingting | NetZwerg, yep. its installed and set for singapore. |
| 05:33.36 | deadcat | DarkPainter: what card you have? does iwconfig show wlanX or ethX? |
| 05:33.39 | NetZwerg | DarkPainter what wnic? |
| 05:33.44 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
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| 05:33.52 | tingting | qwer, fortune-zh, not fortunes-zh |
| 05:34.01 | CaD | whats up guys, samba question |
| 05:34.20 | CaD | How do I enable long filename support after installing the default samba stuff in debian |
| 05:34.37 | CaD | dont like it trying to convert file names |
| 05:34.44 | DarkPainter | i dont have a nic ive got a pcmcia card lol and its the linksys wpc11 ver.3 |
| 05:34.46 | qwer | tingting: try running the noseguy directly: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/<noseguy>, and then change the LANG var in each run |
| 05:34.48 | lightbright | any thoughts on the best fs type for raid? ie: ext3 vs,reiser or others? |
| 05:34.55 | NetZwerg | do you have any chinese letters out of X too? |
| 05:35.06 | deadcat | DarkPainter: did you even search google for the drivers? |
| 05:35.12 | DarkPainter | i dont have the laptop /right/ now, but i can get it if we need it =| |
| 05:35.19 | DarkPainter | i /have/ the drivers |
| 05:35.26 | deadcat | DarkPainter: whats it called? |
| 05:35.26 | DarkPainter | or atleast i have the cd it came with... |
| 05:35.28 | tingting | NetZwerg, i dont know. i just regenerated the locales, with the zh ones for sg, ... checking.. |
| 05:35.52 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 05:35.52 | qwer | tingting: yes, fortunes-zh doesn't exist in my french repository. it happens to be the case even between many french reps... |
| 05:35.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 05:35.52 | DarkPainter | will the installation cd do us any good? |
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| 05:36.09 | tingting | qwer, fortune-zh, NOT fortunes-zh |
| 05:36.11 | deadcat | DarkPainter: i think its just a prism card. just use the orinoco driver so you dont have to do shit. |
| 05:36.14 | NetZwerg | so, compile them, install the kernelmodule, get hotplug and put it in, should work, there is an howto on the net tool |
| 05:36.16 | Brisa | is there a channel for new people ? |
| 05:36.16 | Brisa | willing to answer silly questions? |
| 05:36.16 | qwer | tingting: yes |
| 05:36.17 | NetZwerg | -l |
| 05:36.21 | deadcat | DarkPainter: go get the damn laptop and turn it on NOW NOW NOW |
| 05:36.21 | tingting | qwer, how do i set the LANG? |
| 05:36.27 | ashtars-fanclub | how can i chroot from the netinstall it doesnt even have /dev files for hda |
| 05:36.32 | DarkPainter | ok... so i know what driver to use |
| 05:36.42 | lightbright | dpkg: thanks I'll google it. |
| 05:36.42 | dpkg | lightbright: de nada |
| 05:36.43 | DarkPainter | but how do i do it? |
| 05:36.49 | tingting | NetZwerg, it is the same. |
| 05:36.51 | NetZwerg | tingting, restart X after ;) |
| 05:36.54 | MobyTurbo | Brisa: www.google.com |
| 05:36.55 | DarkPainter | im too n00b for my own good =| |
| 05:36.57 | tingting | ok brb |
| 05:37.04 | qwer | tingting: me@host: LANG= command |
| 05:37.12 | qwer | tingting: me@host: LANG=fr_FR command |
| 05:37.17 | Brisa | please. |
| 05:37.35 | DarkPainter | brisa, theres help guides at www.debian.org |
| 05:37.45 | NetZwerg | !dahb |
| 05:37.51 | qwer | tingting: me@host: LANG=zh_ZH command #<-- i mean the chinese LANG value. |
| 05:38.04 | Brisa | I don't even know what to look for |
| 05:38.04 | Brisa | I am used to find by myself, but i need at least a clue about what to look for |
| 05:38.15 | deadcat | DarkPainter: seems like you are in luck. its a intersil prism3 i guess. |
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| 05:38.21 | redcoder | hello |
| 05:38.22 | MobyTurbo | Brisa: also look at ww.tldp.org |
| 05:38.23 | DarkPainter | awesome |
| 05:38.27 | DarkPainter | so what do i do lol |
| 05:38.32 | MobyTurbo | s/ww/www |
| 05:38.33 | Brisa | yes there are help guides. |
| 05:38.33 | Brisa | crowded with words an terms i do not understand |
| 05:38.37 | deadcat | DarkPainter: turn the damn thing on and put it in |
| 05:38.40 | redcoder | is it just me, or debian.org is down? |
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| 05:38.50 | qwer | Brisa: after you change the conf file to you linking, copy it to smth like myXFconf. reboot and then run: diff XF86Config-4 myXFconf |
| 05:38.52 | dendrite | Wowsers, LVM sure is cool! :-) |
| 05:39.00 | DarkPainter | whats lvm lol |
| 05:39.00 | pwn4ge | my .bashrc isnt getting read when i log in |
| 05:39.05 | qwer | redcoder: you have to type www.debian.org |
| 05:39.09 | pwn4ge | and i am including it in .bash_profile |
| 05:39.10 | CaD | do i need to install the lanmanager2 protocol so samba will let me use long filenames? |
| 05:39.21 | qwer | redcoder: dunno why... |
| 05:39.23 | redcoder | qwer, oh. thanx |
| 05:39.33 | qwer | redcoder: welcome |
| 05:39.44 | gurubie | OK, I (finally) got a perfect match on moving Sarge to a new partition. (Important to save time) The answer my friends is to "mkdir /newpart" (or name it newdisk if you got a new drive) , with hda1 (example target) formated as "mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /newpart" , then "telinit 1" and use "cp -ax / /newpart". Hope this help others. |
| 05:39.46 | dendrite | DarkPainter: Ah, you again, eh? :-) LVM lets you group a bunch of disks as one virtual disks, and then dynamically resize partitions. |
| 05:39.48 | deadcat | pwn4ge: no typo? |
| 05:39.48 | pwn4ge | anyone know if there is a config file setting for this? |
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| 05:39.55 | tingting | NetZwerg, still doesn't work |
| 05:39.58 | DarkPainter | aaahh... neat |
| 05:40.11 | tingting | NetZwerg, maybe i need to change to change the font used by the noseguy ? |
| 05:40.13 | pwn4ge | deadcat: no, when i include it manually it reads it in just fine |
| 05:40.16 | deadcat | pwn4ge: no.. try [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . ~/.bashrc in .bash_profile |
| 05:40.32 | pwn4ge | deadcat: i already have that in .bash_profile |
| 05:40.34 | NetZwerg | may |
| 05:40.43 | NetZwerg | what xfonts u got installed? |
| 05:40.46 | NetZwerg | you sry |
| 05:40.47 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 05:40.47 | deadcat | pwn4ge: login via console/ssh/xterm? |
| 05:40.56 | pwn4ge | ssh |
| 05:40.57 | DarkPainter | lemme get my laptop... will i need internet for any of this deadcat? |
| 05:41.11 | tingting | NetZwerg, lots. including standard english ones and chinese ones. i can see chinese fonts in firefox fine. |
| 05:41.13 | pwn4ge | deadcat: same problem via console actually |
| 05:41.15 | deadcat | pwn4ge: try . .bash_profile from the command line |
| 05:41.20 | tingting | like the 'song' font is in the xfontsel |
| 05:41.27 | pwn4ge | deadcat: yep, that reads it in |
| 05:41.36 | lightbright | dpkg: I see your point. lots of other keywords show up like "issues" and "panic". Red Flags is what I call em. |
| 05:41.36 | dpkg | lightbright: what are you talking about? |
| 05:41.51 | deadcat | DarkPainter: no because we gonna connect to your AP from the laptop.. current connection is fine |
| 05:41.54 | qwer | i have problems on 2.6 w/ my mouse. i googled in vain. no prob w/ 2.4... |
| 05:41.58 | pwn4ge | deadcat: i am putting some color in PS1 in my .bashrc, thats how i know it worked |
| 05:42.09 | DarkPainter | to bring my laptop in here i cant use internet... |
| 05:42.13 | deadcat | pwn4ge: ya. |
| 05:42.15 | lightbright | raid |
| 05:42.26 | lightbright | dpkg: raid |
| 05:42.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid |
| 05:42.36 | deadcat | DarkPainter: laptop has no internet. use the current machine for internet. |
| 05:42.43 | ashtars-fanclub | how can i chroot from the netinstall it doesnt even have /dev files for hda |
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| 05:42.48 | DarkPainter | ooooo alright |
| 05:42.50 | NetZwerg | the firefox chinese fonts are not made by xfonts, i have them too, but no kanji fonts installed |
| 05:42.54 | DarkPainter | brb lemme get it |
| 05:42.59 | pwn4ge | deadcat: unfortunitly it doesnt look like there is a /etc/bash or anything that lets me configure things like whether .bash_profile should be read |
| 05:43.15 | tingting | NetZwerg, they aren't? i thought they were, because they didn't work until i installed the chinese xfonts! |
| 05:43.26 | deadcat | pwn4ge: bash reads ~/.bash_profile via login. |
| 05:43.31 | lightbright | omg... i't talking to a bot aren't i. I'm impressed with it none the less. |
| 05:43.53 | NetZwerg | hm, i do not have them installed but they work fine *G* |
| 05:43.57 | pwn4ge | deadcat: so you think there might be a setting to login i could change? |
| 05:44.06 | DarkPainter | ok i got it. |
| 05:44.09 | deadcat | pwn4ge: i think you made a typo. (= |
| 05:44.22 | NetZwerg | but, check if there is an config for fortune, may there is something about the language |
| 05:44.22 | lightbright | dpkg: reiserfs |
| 05:44.22 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 05:44.38 | pwn4ge | deadcat: so then why would it work when i include .bash_profile manually? |
| 05:44.45 | deadcat | pwn4ge: also try a simpole .bash_profile and a .bashrc with 1 or 2 things inside. if it works then... |
| 05:44.57 | pwn4ge | deadcat: good idea, i'll try that |
| 05:45.05 | MobyTurbo | xfs is *not* a safer FS unless you have a UPS, it agressively write-caches. |
| 05:45.08 | dendrite | OK, here's a question... On a server, why would one NOT use LVM? |
| 05:45.21 | tingting | NetZwerg, there is /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/noseguy.xml but the closest i can see is the font |
| 05:45.26 | deadcat | dendrite: maybe dont know how to config it? |
| 05:45.41 | deadcat | DarkPainter: its turned on? put that thing into the slit. |
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| 05:45.49 | NetZwerg | omg, again an xml |
| 05:45.50 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 05:45.51 | DarkPainter | yea im at my desktop |
| 05:45.53 | qwer | ciao |
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| 05:45.59 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 05:46.03 | dendrite | deadcat: I mean why would someone who *does* know... (Not that I do fully ... yet.) |
| 05:46.05 | NetZwerg | i boot up my other pc, mom |
| 05:46.10 | deadcat | dendrite: oh. hehe |
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| 05:46.26 | DarkPainter | can you call it something else... i find that kind of unconfortable, coupled with my female gender =/ |
| 05:46.30 | deadcat | NetZwerg: your mom cant see this |
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| 05:46.40 | NetZwerg | noice level pushing up 300 % |
| 05:46.42 | deadcat | DarkPainter: i know. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA |
| 05:46.47 | dendrite | deadcat: I mean, there are reasons why one might not use Reiserfs, for instance... Any parallel considerations for LVM? |
| 05:46.49 | Hiryu | anyone got debian working with sbc dsl? |
| 05:46.49 | DarkPainter | lol ok so its in... now? |
| 05:46.51 | deadcat | DarkPainter: i guess you're the only one got the sick joke |
| 05:47.04 | deadcat | dendrite: no clue about lvm. sorry dude. |
| 05:47.15 | deadcat | DarkPainter: iwconfig |
| 05:47.29 | DarkPainter | ive heard too many jokes about my anatomy =( |
| 05:47.39 | NetZwerg | my screenless laptop hrhr --> http://war.atfg.org/ownfiles/shoot4.jpg / shoot5.jpg |
| 05:47.41 | dendrite | deadcat: Ah. I just wiped my last DeadRat box, it's now a test machine, sarge/lvm whatever. :-) |
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| 05:47.52 | deadcat | dendrite: sweet hooker.! |
| 05:48.23 | dendrite | Too bad the damn thing is so loud, it's easily the fastest machine I own... |
| 05:48.31 | DarkPainter | how do i run iwconfig? cause from the root terminal... it says command not found |
| 05:48.36 | deadcat | dendrite: my instructor said he doesnt like redhat 9 because it doesnt give him the right reso for gnome (= |
| 05:48.45 | deadcat | DarkPainter: install it dammit. |
| 05:48.55 | ashtars-fanclub | so i cannot chroot from the netinstall to access my currently inaccessable install? |
| 05:48.59 | DarkPainter | o... install wireless-tools? |
| 05:48.59 | dendrite | deadcat: Heh heh. That's taking control, eh? This was a RH 7.2 box. |
| 05:49.28 | pwn4ge | deadcat: only thing in my .bashrc is this: PS1='\[\033[0;32m\]\u@\h:\W\$\[\033[00m\] ' |
| 05:49.31 | dendrite | deadcat: I never even really played with installing 8 or 9, because of their new EOL policy.. |
| 05:49.40 | deadcat | dendrite: (=... he doesnt even know debian/knoppix. he only knows redhat/suse/mandrake/solaris |
| 05:49.55 | pwn4ge | deadcat: and only thing in my .bash_profile is this: [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . .bashrc |
| 05:49.56 | peterS | pwn4ge: I suggest "\e" in place of "\033", for readability. and "\e[m" in place of "\033[00m" |
| 05:50.04 | pipeline | dendrite: Debian and Redhat aren't that different. |
| 05:50.10 | pwn4ge | peterS: thanks |
| 05:50.12 | pipeline | err, deadcat |
| 05:50.15 | deadcat | pwn4ge: maybe && . ~/.bashrc just incase. |
| 05:50.24 | dendrite | pipeline: No, not really, except for the support strategies, and the default package management. |
| 05:50.27 | DarkPainter | install wireless-tools? =\ |
| 05:50.37 | dendrite | pipeline: Init is very similar, for instance. |
| 05:50.37 | DarkPainter | o nvm... |
| 05:50.37 | NetZwerg | so |
| 05:50.38 | deadcat | pipeline: rpm and deb is VERY diff |
| 05:50.39 | pwn4ge | deadcat: nope still no go |
| 05:50.40 | pipeline | dendrite: rpm is much more similar to dpkg than Solaris pkg is. |
| 05:50.44 | deadcat | DarkPainter: just install it. |
| 05:50.48 | pipeline | dendrite: The filesystems are also extraordinarily similar. |
| 05:51.06 | pipeline | dendrite: The command lines are almost identical. The development environments are almost identical. |
| 05:51.08 | DarkPainter | ok, gimme a minute i gotta go back in the other room... darn it all =| |
| 05:51.09 | deadcat | pwn4ge: can you make an account for me.? |
| 05:51.17 | dendrite | pipeline: I'd expect most mainstream linux distros use a similar file tree structure... |
| 05:51.20 | pwn4ge | deadcat: hmm, maybe |
| 05:51.29 | pwn4ge | deadcat: depends if i trust you :) |
| 05:51.36 | deadcat | pwn4ge: then dont. (= |
| 05:51.42 | pwn4ge | heh |
| 05:51.47 | pipeline | dendrite: Gee golly. And this is incongruent from my points how? :P |
| 05:51.47 | deadcat | i dont have problems with my .dot files (= |
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| 05:51.55 | dendrite | pipeline: I was a redhat guy for years and years. Switched to RH from Slak in about '95. |
| 05:52.02 | NetZwerg | tingting |
| 05:52.04 | pipeline | dendrite, deadcat: an RHEL to Debian transition guide is a hundred pages tops. |
| 05:52.08 | dendrite | pipeline: Uh, I thought we were agreeing. |
| 05:52.20 | tingting | NetZwerg, ? |
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| 05:52.24 | quitte_ | for which block size is error correction usually best on cdrom drives? |
| 05:52.41 | dendrite | pipeline: Did that "DeadRat" remark bother you? :-) |
| 05:52.51 | deadcat | HAHAHA |
| 05:52.59 | NetZwerg | try using this config: http://nopaste.php-q.net/111553 |
| 05:53.04 | peterS | quitte_: huh? in what context are you asking? probably 2048 byte sectors, since that's what data CDs use |
| 05:53.37 | pipeline | dendrite: No, deadcat's comment on the guy "only" being familiar with four linux distributions and Solaris flagged my attention. |
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| 05:54.06 | quitte_ | peterS i'm having problems getting a file from a cd. i'm using dd with bs=512 at the moment. i hope 2048 helps |
| 05:54.06 | pipeline | quitte_: CD-ROM's usually use either 512, 2048, or 2352 byte sectors. 2352 is no error correction. |
| 05:54.11 | deadcat | pipeline: oh ya. i think he works at suns or oracle. |
| 05:54.22 | dendrite | pipeline: Who? *shrug* |
| 05:54.33 | deadcat | pipeline: i am pretty sure i can teach better than him. |
| 05:54.35 | Brisa | :) |
| 05:54.35 | Brisa | NOw it is not going back. |
| 05:54.35 | Brisa | BUt my mouse have a strange behavior. I think is something else i must change: it moves perfectly up and right, but when i move the mouse left or down, it jumps to the lower left corner.. |
| 05:54.35 | Brisa | What else have i to change? |
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| 05:54.36 | peterS | quitte_: oh, *that* is what you mean. well, it natively uses 2048-byte blocks, so there's not much point in dding with a bs less than that |
| 05:54.47 | dendrite | quitte_: CD Errors? |
| 05:54.49 | peterS | quitte_: it won't work *better*, it'll be equivalent |
| 05:54.57 | pipeline | quitte_: The error correction isn't visible at that level. It'll read the entire sector plus a few hundred surrounding sectors if you request any portion of it, so your choice really doesn't make a difference. You could try "cdparanoia" though |
| 05:55.02 | tingting | NetZwerg, thats identical to my config filt |
| 05:55.04 | tingting | file |
| 05:55.41 | NetZwerg | hm |
| 05:55.54 | dendrite | pipeline: Or you can try the conv=noerror argument to dd... |
| 05:56.06 | quitte_ | pipeline the cd is very non-standard. pretends to have more than 4 Gig on it. Grimfandango version1 in germany |
| 05:56.07 | dendrite | quitte_: ^^^ |
| 05:56.08 | NetZwerg | so it must be fortune takes this language for singapore |
| 05:56.21 | dendrite | quitte_: Or you can try the conv=noerror argument to dd... |
| 05:56.24 | quitte_ | dendrite will try that |
| 05:56.56 | dendrite | I wonder if dd isn't the most insane command there is... |
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| 05:57.08 | NetZwerg | try as qwer suggested: LANG=en_US; noseguy |
| 05:57.18 | NetZwerg | so the language for that program is set to en_US |
| 05:57.43 | quitte_ | dendrite another problem is i only want the first part of that file. the rest of it is the content of the previous files. |
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| 05:58.21 | tingting | NetZwerg, same ... |
| 05:58.37 | NetZwerg | hm |
| 05:58.42 | tingting | NetZwerg, same with LANG=zh_SG too |
| 05:58.50 | NetZwerg | hm |
| 05:59.06 | NetZwerg | now your making me look helpless |
| 05:59.07 | NetZwerg | ;) |
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| 05:59.53 | NetZwerg | try using the -font option |
| 05:59.53 | dendrite | quitte_: You may end up wading around in the dump with a hex editor... |
| 05:59.58 | NetZwerg | and set some non-kanji font |
| 05:59.58 | tingting | heh. well, can ANYONE see chinese characters in noseguy? wasn't it designed to work with fortunes? so whats wrong with fortune-zh? am i the first to try this? |
| 05:59.59 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 06:00.14 | NetZwerg | noseguy -font .... |
| 06:00.21 | quitte_ | dendrite i used the conv=noerror. no i got all the data i want. can i trust the data? |
| 06:00.22 | dendrite | Now the $64 question is why the d-i rc2 CD wouldn't boot linux64 on my tyan dual k7... |
| 06:00.26 | tingting | NetZwerg, whats .... ? |
| 06:00.31 | quitte_ | s/no/now |
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| 06:01.09 | dendrite | quitte_: Trust? Not 100%, I'd expect. Try another rip, and diff the two. Even that won't tell you for sure that what was originally written is what's there now. |
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| 06:01.44 | NetZwerg | im right now looking for a working fontname ;D |
| 06:01.44 | pwn4ge | deadcat: you still around? |
| 06:01.48 | deadcat | pwn4ge: ya |
| 06:01.54 | NetZwerg | -font helvB10 |
| 06:01.56 | NetZwerg | e.g. |
| 06:02.26 | Quan-Time | ive had enough of winxp, and mdk10 isnt to my taste, and debian from what i can tell is the distro for me.. |
| 06:02.40 | peterS | Brisa: sounds like a protocol mismatch. what type of mouse do you have? is it plugged into a USB or PS/2 port? what kernel version do you have? ("uname -r") |
| 06:02.50 | Quan-Time | but im just about to re-install now.. just curious about my USB2 hdd caddy, which is WD250gig NTFS.. |
| 06:02.55 | Quan-Time | hows the support on that ? |
| 06:03.04 | Quan-Time | as its USB2 it shouldnt pose a prob will it ? |
| 06:03.08 | tingting | NetZwerg, nope, helvB10 didn't work. where did you get that from? |
| 06:03.12 | peterS | Quan-Time: should be just fine in sarge |
| 06:03.22 | Quan-Time | peterS, cheers.. |
| 06:03.25 | MobyTurbo | Quan-Time: ntfs doesn't have write support, but other than that... |
| 06:03.31 | Quan-Time | just burning isos now.. |
| 06:03.36 | NetZwerg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.44 | Quan-Time | ok, but coz its thru a usb2 caddy, i was hoping it would |
| 06:03.49 | NetZwerg | there are misc directories, i took from 75 dpi ;) |
| 06:03.56 | peterS | Quan-Time: don't burn isos plural. just burn a sarge netinst. see www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for links |
| 06:04.01 | Quan-Time | as its way faster to pass around "home" videos and nix iso distro files |
| 06:04.08 | dendrite | Quan-Time: You planning on keeping NTFS? Or overwriting it? |
| 06:04.11 | Quan-Time | but others have probs reading it (ext2 / ext3) |
| 06:04.21 | NetZwerg | if that work, just add it to your config xml file where "-root" is written --> "-root -font bla" |
| 06:04.22 | deadcat | pwn4ge: dammit. its a fucking /bin/sh. (= change it to /bin/bash HAHAHAH |
| 06:04.27 | Quan-Time | i want a compatible hdd that winxp and nix users can read |
| 06:04.35 | peterS | Quan-Time: unfortunately your best bet for reading a disk cross-platform is venerable old FAT32 |
| 06:04.41 | Quan-Time | gotcha |
| 06:04.45 | Quan-Time | fat32 is no probs |
| 06:04.53 | deadcat | pwn4ge: testuser:x:1005:100::/home/testuser: |
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| 06:05.01 | Quan-Time | but winxp says it WONT format a hdd fat32 above 40gig |
| 06:05.05 | Quan-Time | as "its not possible" |
| 06:05.19 | Quan-Time | its just for ease of passing my movies around (yer, i make freeware game movies) |
| 06:05.21 | Quan-Time | thats all |
| 06:05.21 | tingting | NetZwerg, hmmm... how can i see what each font looks like? |
| 06:05.24 | Brisa | thanks. the mouse is righ now. changed from imps2 to ps2 |
| 06:05.24 | deadcat | pwn4ge: user adduser instead of useradd on debian box unless you give all those options. |
| 06:05.33 | dendrite | Hmm. Seems This Tyan Tomcat mobo and 2.6.8 don't agree.. |
| 06:05.33 | peterS | Brisa: ah, ok |
| 06:05.39 | mwilson | ahhhh |
| 06:05.50 | Brisa | not, i am getting a message: caught signal 4 and the kde goes back to login |
| 06:05.55 | Quan-Time | peterS, its a 250gig WD.. nix will format it fine with fat32 ? or the old partition trick to make it work ? |
| 06:06.08 | deadcat | mwilson: whats goin on with openbox? (= |
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| 06:06.21 | NetZwerg | hm, good question, some font-dialog, but dunno where |
| 06:06.28 | NetZwerg | i never was in need of ;) |
| 06:06.34 | peterS | Quan-Time: well, I know some unix fat format util balks at big disks. I think for the same reason XP does. I'm not sure if there's any hack you can use to get around this |
| 06:06.39 | NetZwerg | C-code does not matter the font hrhr |
| 06:06.46 | mwilson | deadcat: Oh, I put the per-application patch in my copy and I'm fixing things up |
| 06:06.47 | peterS | Quan-Time: anyway, for writing something in XP and reading in linux, NTFS works just fine. but not vice versa. |
| 06:06.54 | tingting | hmmm. i tried a few, some dont work like normal, some just display blank spaces |
| 06:07.03 | deadcat | mwilson: per-application patch? |
| 06:07.06 | quitte_ | binary files differ :( |
| 06:07.08 | NeoG | okay i compiled 2.6.10 to run on sid, and i get 'VFS: Cannot open root device "302" or unknown-block(3,2)' |
| 06:07.16 | NeoG | i'm pretty sure i compiled in IDE support too |
| 06:07.29 | peterS | NeoG: you didn't. or you didn't compile in your specific IDE chipset driver |
| 06:07.32 | mwilson | deadcat: Yeah, you add entries to rc.xml, and you can set initial position, desktop, and window state. |
| 06:07.42 | deadcat | damn. |
| 06:07.44 | Quan-Time | peterS, gotcha. ill just make a few partitions. i also want to write to it.. so i might have to dualboot xp |
| 06:07.48 | NeoG | peterS: i just checked menuconfig.. its all enabled ;/ |
| 06:07.49 | quitte_ | oh well it's in year 3 of grim fandango. i can play a lot until that - and maybe it even survives |
| 06:07.52 | mwilson | deadcat: I like it. :) |
| 06:07.57 | Quan-Time | i got a ext2/3 winxp reader and can copy stuff of |
| 06:07.59 | peterS | NeoG: including 'IDE disk support'? |
| 06:08.06 | Quan-Time | ill figgure it out... thanx for the info tho |
| 06:08.16 | deadcat | mwilson: can you disable all the borders and stuff on say aterm ? |
| 06:08.21 | mwilson | deadcat: It's a little simple-minded... it does WM_CLASS matching. |
| 06:08.22 | Quan-Time | whats the current release ? |
| 06:08.23 | peterS | NeoG: what IDE chipset are we talking about, anyway? 'lspci' will know |
| 06:08.24 | NetZwerg | tingting then i guess its still somehow the language |
| 06:08.27 | Quan-Time | im burning 3.0r2 |
| 06:08.44 | tingting | NetZwerg, i was thinking its not reading in the fortunes in unicode or something |
| 06:08.44 | NeoG | peterS: yeah thats enabled |
| 06:09.12 | NetZwerg | hm, btw. did u try to install fortunes in english? |
| 06:09.22 | mwilson | deadcat: You can control initial decoration state, yes. |
| 06:09.22 | peterS | Quan-Time: 3.0r4 is the current release, but you probably want sarge, which is the unreleased 3.1 |
| 06:09.22 | tingting | NetZwerg, yep, that works |
| 06:09.38 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 06:09.38 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:09.43 | Quan-Time | gotcha.. ill just aptget and try some "unstable" updates |
| 06:09.46 | Quan-Time | see hat i can get |
| 06:09.53 | deadcat | mwilson: oh girl.... you gonna build a .deb? (= |
| 06:09.58 | mwilson | deadcat: ecor/focus/position/head/layer/desktop |
| 06:09.59 | NetZwerg | did u also remove the fortune-zh files? |
| 06:10.04 | MobyTurbo | Quan-Time: sarge != unstable |
| 06:10.09 | Quan-Time | serious ? |
| 06:10.09 | mwilson | s/ecor/decor |
| 06:10.15 | deadcat | cool. |
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| 06:10.19 | Quan-Time | MobyTurbo, its goodo ? |
| 06:10.22 | mith | what's up with people.debian.org and such |
| 06:10.26 | MobyTurbo | Quan-Time: at the momenet, sarge is "testing" |
| 06:10.29 | deadcat | mith: /topic |
| 06:10.33 | Quan-Time | oh.. gotcha |
| 06:10.44 | NeoG | peterS: i compiled every single ata/ide driver thats available.. but it still wont load the drive |
| 06:10.46 | mith | oh |
| 06:10.48 | tingting | NetZwerg, i have both debian-hints and -zh installed, so i see garbage when its a chinese fortune, and it looks correct when it hits an english debian hint |
| 06:10.48 | mith | suck |
| 06:10.49 | Quan-Time | ive had ntfs read work fine with a 210gig on mdk10 |
| 06:10.51 | MobyTurbo | Quan-Time: "sid" is unstable |
| 06:10.52 | mwilson | + <application name="aterm"> |
| 06:10.52 | mwilson | + <decor>false</decor> |
| 06:10.52 | mwilson | + </application> |
| 06:10.54 | deadcat | mith: ya. |
| 06:10.57 | mwilson | Like that. |
| 06:10.58 | Quan-Time | MobyTurbo, cheers |
| 06:10.59 | mith | deadcat: are there any mirrors of the d-i docs? |
| 06:11.03 | deadcat | mwilson: DAMN. i need that. |
| 06:11.03 | mwilson | And no, I'm not going to make a deb. |
| 06:11.06 | mith | I needed to do some research this weekend :( |
| 06:11.07 | peterS | NeoG: so what *is* your IDE chip? |
| 06:11.18 | gerv9 | Hi, I just finished a new install of Debian and cannot find any loopback devices in /dev/loop0 or /dev/loop1... did i do something wrong? |
| 06:11.22 | NeoG | peterS: Via onboard |
| 06:11.23 | deadcat | mith: i am using berkeley.edu and works fine. |
| 06:11.40 | mwilson | deadcat: Get patching, then. :) |
| 06:11.42 | mith | deadcat: that has the pxe documentation and such? |
| 06:11.55 | DarkPainter | meow! wheres my poor dead kitty? im ready lol |
| 06:12.07 | peterS | mith: for details, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00013.html |
| 06:12.13 | pwn4ge | deadcat: why would it make a difference if it was using sh instead of bash? /bin/sh is just a symlink to /bin/bash |
| 06:12.31 | pwn4ge | deadcat: but yea, i changed it to bash and now it works :) |
| 06:12.34 | deadcat | pwn4ge: no. when its sh or bash -r it acts diff. |
| 06:12.46 | peterS | pwn4ge: it makes a difference. (a) bash behaves slightly differently when invoked as 'sh' (b) /bin/sh is not always a link to /bin/bash |
| 06:12.47 | deadcat | mwilson: i guess. (=. |
| 06:12.52 | peterS | pwn4ge: on my system it is a link to /bin/dash, for example |
| 06:12.54 | mith | peterS: I don't care why they're down, I just want mirrors. :) |
| 06:12.55 | pwn4ge | deadcat: ahh, ok didnt know that, thanks for all the help! |
| 06:12.56 | mwilson | pwn4ge: Because bash acts differently depending on how it's invoked. |
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| 06:13.00 | deadcat | mith: no. its a repo. |
| 06:13.11 | mwilson | deadcat: My openbox has many patches. |
| 06:13.12 | pwn4ge | i never knew that |
| 06:13.12 | deadcat | pwn4ge: np. |
| 06:13.18 | DarkPainter | installed wireless-tools and hit iwconfig... it SEEMS to recognize something as eth1, and nicknamed i "Prism I" |
| 06:13.23 | deadcat | mwilson: they gonna include that soon? |
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| 06:13.31 | mwilson | deadcat: I don't think so. |
| 06:13.33 | deadcat | DarkPainter: we in business then. |
| 06:13.37 | DarkPainter | so now what |
| 06:13.41 | deadcat | mwilson: DOH. i guess i HAVE to patch now. |
| 06:13.44 | mwilson | deadcat: As I said, it's rather simple-minded. |
| 06:13.52 | Quan-Time | <-- simple minded |
| 06:13.55 | NeoG | peterS: would 'Use MultiMode by default' have any effect |
| 06:14.08 | deadcat | DarkPainter: iwconfig shows shit right? then iwconfig wlan0 essid NETWORKID key YOURHEXKEY restricted |
| 06:14.21 | peterS | NeoG: I always leave that one on, but I forget what it does |
| 06:14.24 | DarkPainter | yea.... yikes |
| 06:14.28 | DarkPainter | ok lemme try then |
| 06:14.38 | peterS | NeoG: anyway, you *do* have the "VIA82CXXX chipset support" option enabled? and none of this stuff is as modules? |
| 06:14.47 | mwilson | deadcat: In its current form, it also has a problem with window positioning and window decorations (it doesn't take the decorations into account properly sometimes). Of course, since apparently you don't *care* about the decorations... :) |
| 06:15.01 | mwilson | deadcat: Anyway, can't you just use devilspie? |
| 06:15.42 | deadcat | mwilson: that fucker is hard. |
| 06:15.50 | NeoG | peterS: everthing that can be compiled in is, the rest are module-only |
| 06:16.00 | mwilson | deadcat: Yeah, it's got xml-stupidity hardcore. |
| 06:16.03 | NeoG | like the VIA82CXXX support |
| 06:16.06 | peterS | NeoG: also, when you boot, you should check the kernel messages that scroll by and see if your IDE chip and disks are detected at any point. should happen near the end of the boot sequence, so you probably won't have to scroll up |
| 06:16.39 | mwilson | YAATWTWXML |
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| 06:16.53 | deadcat | mwilson: i am using the basic shits from devilspie. cant figure how it work. )=... kinna suck too. |
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| 06:16.58 | guru | what would the network driver for an nforce2 motherboard be? |
| 06:17.06 | mwilson | Yet Another App That Wastes Time With XML |
| 06:17.11 | deadcat | ya. |
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| 06:17.14 | DarkPainter | okay... i did this "iwconfig eth1 essid Xxxx Key XxXxXxXxXx restricted" |
| 06:17.17 | opencool | How to install kexi?? how to search in experimental? |
| 06:17.30 | NetZwerg | tingting remove the -zh package is my idea |
| 06:17.33 | NetZwerg | totaly purge it |
| 06:17.35 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 06:17.35 | Twitching_Fool | packages.debian.org |
| 06:17.37 | tingting | NetZwerg, i tried EVERY font, it sucks |
| 06:17.39 | mwilson | opencool: If you don't know how to use experimental, you have no business using it. |
| 06:17.40 | deadcat | DarkPainter: oh right. eth1.. ya that should work. iwconfig should show your AP's mac address |
| 06:17.41 | Buuyo^ | xml pwns fyi |
| 06:17.43 | DarkPainter | and it shows my key as xxxx-xxxx-xx in iwconfig O_o |
| 06:17.45 | NetZwerg | then only english are left |
| 06:17.50 | Buuyo^ | as long as you don't overuse it. :) |
| 06:17.53 | MobyTurbo | opencool: if you don't know enough about experimental to ask that question then you shouldn't be using it. |
| 06:17.55 | penrod | fsck problem fsck.ext2 .... exited with signal 11. any ideas |
| 06:18.00 | tingting | NetZwerg, :p thats not gonna help me see the chinese fortunes, which is what i'd like |
| 06:18.04 | Buuyo^ | overuse = use it when you need something to happen now, not ten seconds from now. |
| 06:18.07 | NetZwerg | kk |
| 06:18.08 | MobyTurbo | s/ask/answer |
| 06:18.13 | NetZwerg | then i dunno anymore |
| 06:18.16 | deadcat | mwilson: where them patches at? |
| 06:18.20 | NetZwerg | out of answers |
| 06:18.21 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 06:18.47 | mwilson | deadcat: In the openbox bug tracker |
| 06:18.50 | tingting | NetZwerg, ok thanks heaps ay, at least now i know i'm not missing something simple |
| 06:18.51 | opencool | mwilson: I just want to try kexi. And would like to search in experimental. I try apt-get install -t experimental kexi but not there. |
| 06:19.00 | deadcat | mwilson: ok. and you using cvs openbox? |
| 06:19.07 | mwilson | deadcat: Gods, no. |
| 06:19.22 | broke | I'm having problems, when I startx I get this ugly message "no screens found". I run debian 3.0 |
| 06:19.23 | deadcat | oh |
| 06:19.26 | DarkPainter | now what lol |
| 06:19.33 | deadcat | DarkPainter: sudo dhclient eth1 |
| 06:19.38 | opencool | <mwilson> Yet Another App That Wastes Time With XML <-- what do you mean? |
| 06:19.42 | deadcat | DarkPainter: say my name bitch |
| 06:19.44 | NetZwerg | it may would be bit easier if i would have chinese here too *G* |
| 06:19.45 | NeoG | peterS: i see fd0, but no disks or CDROM |
| 06:19.49 | DarkPainter | ... |
| 06:19.50 | mwilson | broke: Yes, so read the WHOLE log and fix the errors it tells you about. |
| 06:19.53 | pwn4ge | mwilson: have you been watching battlestar galactica? |
| 06:20.00 | mwilson | pwn4ge: Yes, why? |
| 06:20.02 | Buuyo^ | Praise the gods :) |
| 06:20.02 | deadcat | DarkPainter: because i cant see mesg from you. |
| 06:20.11 | peterS | NeoG: ok, this might be a stupid question, but your IDE adapter and disk aren't actually SATA, by any chance...? |
| 06:20.12 | NetZwerg | or at least then i would have more ambitious to solve it *hide* |
| 06:20.14 | DarkPainter | it says sudo command not found |
| 06:20.23 | pwn4ge | mwilson: well i assumed you were not a polytheistic worshiper :) |
| 06:20.30 | deadcat | DarkPainter: just dhclient eth1 then |
| 06:20.34 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 06:20.44 | pwn4ge | heh, you said "gods no" |
| 06:20.46 | NeoG | peterS: nope just regular IDE |
| 06:20.52 | mwilson | Yes, I did. Your point? |
| 06:21.00 | pwn4ge | they say that on the show alot |
| 06:21.06 | Buuyo^ | phrack too |
| 06:21.08 | Buuyo^ | it's like a sign |
| 06:21.08 | pwn4ge | because they worship many gods |
| 06:21.11 | Buuyo^ | that phack should keep on |
| 06:21.12 | deadcat | mwilson: i dont know bugtrack. just link me. |
| 06:21.16 | Buuyo^ | phrack ;p |
| 06:21.18 | mwilson | Battlestar Galactica is television. |
| 06:21.35 | pwn4ge | yes, you are correct! |
| 06:21.37 | peterS | NeoG: I can't explain your problem. AFAIK all VIA IDE chips should work in 2.6.recent |
| 06:21.55 | peterS | NeoG: but honestly, compiling your own kernel isn't usually necessary in Debian these days. the Debian images are *quite* good |
| 06:22.09 | mwilson | peterS: Since when? |
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| 06:22.15 | NeoG | peterS: but i want DVB support.. |
| 06:22.16 | DarkPainter | its spamming "DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7, 7,13,14,7,11 |
| 06:22.33 | peterS | mwilson: since herbert xu left in a huff |
| 06:22.38 | deadcat | DarkPainter: is it getting ip from your AP? |
| 06:22.49 | DarkPainter | then it said no DHCPOFFERS recieved. no working leases in persistant database. sleeping. now i have my command back |
| 06:22.56 | deadcat | damn. under ssh attact.... |
| 06:22.56 | mwilson | Well, even a RedHat kernel would be better than a Xu kernel. |
| 06:23.22 | deadcat | DarkPainter: iwconfig, does it show Mode:Managed Frequency:2.427 GHz Access Point: 00:00:AA:BB:CC:0D ? something like that? |
| 06:23.45 | NeoG | well this stinks.. i'm loosing faith in linux now :P |
| 06:24.00 | DarkPainter | it says... nide nabaged team then RTS thr: off, then my key, then security mode restricted. thats it |
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| 06:24.20 | DarkPainter | above all that it DOES say IEEE 802.11-DS Nickname:"Prism I" |
| 06:24.24 | peterS | NeoG: so, 2.6.10 includes dvb support. is it a matter of wanting to use some third-party patch for more mature dvb? |
| 06:24.26 | DarkPainter | but thats all |
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| 06:24.59 | deadcat | DarkPainter: does it say the Access Point: MAC? |
| 06:25.14 | NeoG | peterS: i was looking at the documentation for dvb support under 2.4.x, it looked alot worse than using 2.6.10 |
| 06:25.24 | DarkPainter | yea now it does |
| 06:25.31 | SanaL_Pre | hi |
| 06:25.35 | SanaL_Pre | DaCa |
| 06:25.42 | deadcat | DarkPainter: USER MY NAME DAMMIT. and run dhclient eth1 again. |
| 06:25.43 | DarkPainter | 00:12:17:F6:76:4C |
| 06:25.48 | deadcat | cool. should be working |
| 06:25.59 | DarkPainter | got it |
| 06:26.04 | DarkPainter | wahoo |
| 06:26.08 | peterS | NeoG: well, debian kernel images for 2.6.10 certainly include dvb drivers. I don't know if there are third-party patches out there for *better* dvb support, or what |
| 06:26.08 | deadcat | cool. |
| 06:26.14 | Brisa | >S |
| 06:26.24 | deadcat | DarkPainter: if you wnat the shit to come up everytime. sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/wireless |
| 06:26.24 | SanaL_Pre | dan2 |
| 06:26.26 | DarkPainter | it took my brothers laptops old IP lol |
| 06:26.28 | SanaL_Pre | d00f |
| 06:26.30 | DarkPainter | oh wait |
| 06:26.31 | SanaL_Pre | d00f |
| 06:26.34 | DarkPainter | wait wait wait |
| 06:26.41 | Brisa | what is the name of the user interface for configure xserver ? |
| 06:26.41 | SanaL_Pre | ping |
| 06:26.46 | SanaL_Pre | please |
| 06:26.49 | peterS | SanaL_Pre: stop that now |
| 06:27.02 | DarkPainter | will i have automatic wireless when my computer starts, all the time? cause i want that... but i want the LAN cable to work when i plug it in... |
| 06:27.02 | deadcat | DarkPainter: and the next thing you should do is use hostap instead of orinoco for the card. make your card scream like the bitch by monitoring networks and use it as an access point. (= |
| 06:27.05 | SanaL_Pre | yaw |
| 06:27.11 | SanaL_Pre | ananý sikiyim |
| 06:27.15 | peterS | !ops SanaL_Pre is flooding |
| 06:27.15 | SanaL_Pre | senin |
| 06:27.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SanaL_Pre is flooding |
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| 06:27.26 | DarkPainter | i wanna know about that deadcat |
| 06:27.30 | SanaL_Pre | bana bak lan |
| 06:27.30 | deadcat | mwilson: link me to patch please. i cant find it. |
| 06:27.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b SanaL_Pre!*@*] by Rez |
| 06:27.36 | deadcat | DarkPainter: oh girl./ (= |
| 06:27.47 | peterS | Rez: thanks |
| 06:27.49 | DarkPainter | how do i make it use hostap? |
| 06:27.53 | deadcat | DarkPainter: you a student? fuck with your classmates. HAHAHAHA fuck'em hard. |
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| 06:28.06 | opencool | mwilson: I just want to try kexi. And would like to search in experimental. I try apt-get install -t experimental kexi but not there. |
| 06:28.06 | DarkPainter | ......... |
| 06:28.13 | DarkPainter | =( |
| 06:28.17 | deadcat | DarkPainter: apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-source |
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| 06:28.29 | Bomberman^ | !package kexi |
| 06:28.37 | Bomberman^ | !search kexi |
| 06:28.51 | nakko | Hello... |
| 06:28.51 | DarkPainter | um... firefox doesnt work =| |
| 06:28.53 | Rez | Bomberman^: /msg the bots |
| 06:28.58 | Bomberman^ | Ah ok |
| 06:29.04 | Quan-Time | ok, time to install debian.. see how i go... |
| 06:29.11 | Quan-Time | back in like 2hrs or somethin :( |
| 06:29.24 | mwilson | deadcat: It's in the bug tracker... late last year sometime |
| 06:29.32 | mwilson | deadcat: Oh, hell... |
| 06:29.46 | deadcat | DarkPainter: no dice? |
| 06:30.04 | DarkPainter | nope |
| 06:30.06 | deadcat | DarkPainter: ping your router. if it works trhen your router is fucked. |
| 06:30.14 | nakko | Hello, I'm using Debian/Sarge. Got interested sometime last year in having a MythTV box. I got a problem.... |
| 06:30.21 | DarkPainter | and its not downloading from mirrors.usc.edu |
| 06:30.28 | DarkPainter | and my router is brand new and it works just fine |
| 06:30.41 | DarkPainter | THOSE i know how to setup |
| 06:30.49 | deadcat | DarkPainter: ping your router. dammit listent... |
| 06:30.52 | ashtars-fanclub | how shall i do to mount a unit that has no dev file |
| 06:31.03 | deadcat | ashtars-fanclub: you cant. |
| 06:31.07 | DarkPainter | how... its trying to connect to mirrors.usc.edu |
| 06:31.10 | DarkPainter | i cant do anything |
| 06:31.25 | deadcat | DarkPainter: open a terminal and ping 192.168.0.1 or something |
| 06:31.48 | nakko | ...I want to use the Apple Wireless Keyboard with Debian. I have the subsystems and the adaptor, and I can detect the keyboard and everything. Apaprently I can't "pair" the devices, and I don't know how to do that. |
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| 06:32.00 | nakko | Anyone here know Debian/GNOME/Bluetooth? |
| 06:32.14 | NetZwerg | ping something does return no route to host *hide* |
| 06:32.15 | deadcat | nakko: no. |
| 06:32.32 | deadcat | exactly. |
| 06:32.33 | ashtars-fanclub | then i cant chroot using the netinstall disc? |
| 06:32.38 | DarkPainter | it says... PING from 192.168.1.1 56 bytes of data |
| 06:32.43 | ashtars-fanclub | because there are no dev files |
| 06:32.43 | nakko | There are some helper apps, but KDE has its own as well. |
| 06:32.51 | guru | how do i tell what ethernet card i have |
| 06:32.52 | deadcat | DarkPainter: so does it work? |
| 06:32.53 | ashtars-fanclub | well not the hdx |
| 06:33.02 | nakko | gnome-bluetooth-manager vs. kdebluetooth packages. *shrug* |
| 06:33.03 | deadcat | guru: lspci |
| 06:33.04 | DarkPainter | and it spamming with from 192.168.1.18 icmp_seq=1-... its up to 78 now |
| 06:33.06 | *** part/#debian opencool (~cool2@95-239.hy.cgocable.ca) |
| 06:33.06 | guru | it's an onboard card, pretty sure it's an nforce or nforce 2 |
| 06:33.11 | guru | oh yeah...thanks |
| 06:33.12 | DarkPainter | Destination Host Unreachable |
| 06:33.22 | mwilson | Oh, so it's Gnome thinking it has some sort of business pretending to manage hardware? |
| 06:33.34 | deadcat | DarkPainter: what the fuck. WORK OR NOT? |
| 06:33.39 | DarkPainter | define work |
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| 06:34.02 | deadcat | DarkPainter: pint -c routerIP |
| 06:34.04 | nakko | Well, I can detect the keyboard on the command-line with hcitool, and I can detect it in Gnome... |
| 06:34.12 | deadcat | 0% packet loss |
| 06:34.14 | deadcat | == work |
| 06:34.14 | Bomberman^ | DarkPainter, Do you have a route set up? And a default gateway? |
| 06:34.20 | nakko | But nothing lets me enter a PIN, nothing lets me "pair", so far as I can see. |
| 06:34.31 | DarkPainter | yes i have a router setup and im using 192.168.1.1 as the gateway |
| 06:34.33 | Bomberman^ | deadcat, He got Dest. Unreach. |
| 06:34.40 | DarkPainter | ffs it works on this computer im talking to you guys from! |
| 06:34.44 | NetZwerg | no work |
| 06:35.14 | deadcat | DarkPainter: what the fuck. telnet hills.ccsf.edu see if that work or not |
| 06:35.14 | mwilson | deadcat: You *do* realize he blindly typed what you told him to type rather than the actual address of the gateway... |
| 06:35.29 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. )= |
| 06:35.35 | DarkPainter | tellnet command not found |
| 06:35.36 | *** part/#debian d123 (~wQ@202.79.55.73) |
| 06:35.44 | deadcat | DAMMIT |
| 06:35.54 | nakko | o.o |
| 06:35.58 | DarkPainter | nevermind i did tellnet not telnet |
| 06:36.00 | NeoG | lol.. |
| 06:36.08 | DarkPainter | its thinking i assume... |
| 06:36.13 | deadcat | DarkPainter: i'll kill you |
| 06:36.22 | DarkPainter | cause i dont have a command prompt thing and its just blinking |
| 06:36.23 | NetZwerg | DarkPainter requirements: Networkcable is connected (both sides of cable should have on ther connector a light), you can ping your own ip, you can ping the ip on the other side of the cable. if one of these failes the network is down |
| 06:36.50 | deadcat | DarkPainter: type route and it should give you a table. if you dont have it or hanging. then network is bad. |
| 06:37.07 | DarkPainter | aww fuck netzwerg.... im talking on a dell dimention 8400 thats using a usb wireless card thats talking to the same router that im trying to connect to |
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| 06:37.34 | NetZwerg | usb |
| 06:37.35 | NetZwerg | ic |
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| 06:37.45 | deadcat | nakko: no the laptop is a prism pcmcia |
| 06:37.48 | NetZwerg | but anyway just leave the cable part of it *G* |
| 06:38.08 | DarkPainter | it says btw, temporary failure in name resolution |
| 06:38.19 | sponge_bob | I just got my RMA'ed motherboard installed again, and I want to know how I can make sure all my ram is working> |
| 06:38.27 | NetZwerg | thats because your not able to talk to your DNS, your network is DOWN |
| 06:38.32 | DarkPainter | look in the BIOS sponge_bob |
| 06:38.35 | deadcat | DarkPainter: telnet 147.144.1.2 |
| 06:38.37 | NeoG | sponge_bob: memtestx86 |
| 06:38.49 | nakko | deadcat: what laptop? hm? |
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| 06:38.57 | NetZwerg | deadcat i donīt think that would help if he is not able to ping his router |
| 06:38.59 | NetZwerg | :D |
| 06:39.00 | deadcat | nakko: my laptop? |
| 06:39.03 | DarkPainter | it says trying <ip>.... |
| 06:39.15 | DarkPainter | telnet: unable to connect to remote host: no route to host |
| 06:39.17 | deadcat | NetZwerg: ya. something is really wrong |
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| 06:39.26 | DarkPainter | im a she dammit |
| 06:39.29 | DarkPainter | im a god damn SHE |
| 06:39.30 | deadcat | DarkPainter: did you setup your AP with restricted or open? |
| 06:39.36 | NeoG | so can DarkPainter ping the interfaces IP |
| 06:39.36 | NetZwerg | sry |
| 06:39.38 | Bomberman^ | DarkPainter, You have no default gateway |
| 06:39.42 | DarkPainter | restricted |
| 06:39.44 | deadcat | DarkPainter: we are lazy to type the extra s |
| 06:39.49 | NetZwerg | DarkPainter, try pinging your own ip ;) |
| 06:39.51 | DarkPainter | or atleast it SAYS restricted |
| 06:40.04 | Twitching_Fool | pffft, asif there are she's on irc |
| 06:40.08 | DarkPainter | it accepts my own IP |
| 06:40.16 | DarkPainter | and then spams stuff |
| 06:40.20 | sponge_bob | NeoG, I don't have that |
| 06:40.21 | NetZwerg | lol |
| 06:40.21 | NeoG | like.. |
| 06:40.28 | NeoG | sponge_bob: then get it |
| 06:40.28 | sponge_bob | err |
| 06:40.30 | NetZwerg | it spams stuff |
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| 06:40.49 | DarkPainter | it spams icmp_seq=1-numbers go on forever |
| 06:41.00 | deadcat | DarkPainter: that sounds working. |
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| 06:41.09 | DarkPainter | my point |
| 06:41.09 | Bomberman^ | DarkPainter, type "route" and paste the output somewhere |
| 06:41.13 | Bomberman^ | like pastebin.com |
| 06:41.15 | NeoG | DarkPainter: whats your own IP |
| 06:41.17 | deadcat | DarkPainter: install wavemon |
| 06:41.25 | DarkPainter | 192.168.1.1 |
| 06:41.30 | DarkPainter | whats wavemon |
| 06:41.31 | NeoG | ...? |
| 06:41.34 | deadcat | Bomberman^: the laptop has no connection (= |
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| 06:41.42 | Bomberman^ | It has no route |
| 06:41.46 | NeoG | youve given yourself 192.168.1.1? |
| 06:41.54 | deadcat | HAHAHAHAH |
| 06:42.00 | DarkPainter | no........ |
| 06:42.05 | DarkPainter | mine is 192.168.1.5 |
| 06:42.13 | NeoG | was gonna say... |
| 06:42.29 | Agrajag- | hey all, im having a bit of trouble with X11 forwarding with ssh, i've set X11Forwading to yes in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restarted ssh, connected to the machine with -X, but i still get "xterm Xt error: Can't open display:" - is there somethign i've missed? |
| 06:43.01 | DarkPainter | whats wavemon |
| 06:43.13 | deadcat | DarkPainter: install it |
| 06:43.27 | DarkPainter | ugh... nobody tells me anything |
| 06:43.31 | deadcat | Agrajag-: you need to export DISPLAY=localhost:0 or soemthing. |
| 06:43.33 | NeoG | if its wireless, you can ping your own IP, not ping anyone else |
| 06:43.37 | NetZwerg | err |
| 06:43.38 | NeoG | network not connected? |
| 06:43.41 | DarkPainter | it IS wireless |
| 06:43.50 | deadcat | DarkPainter: where you at? |
| 06:43.55 | DarkPainter | its a linksys WPC11 ver. 3 |
| 06:43.57 | DarkPainter | san diego |
| 06:44.03 | deadcat | DarkPainter: go ask mwilson (= |
| 06:44.04 | Agrajag- | deadcat: tried that, no go |
| 06:44.08 | DarkPainter | huh? |
| 06:44.08 | deadcat | DarkPainter: run over his place. |
| 06:44.13 | nakko | Hey, I live in San Diego too |
| 06:44.15 | DarkPainter | -__- |
| 06:44.15 | deadcat | Agrajag-: doh. |
| 06:44.18 | Agrajag- | also tried exporting DISPLAY to the hostname of the machien i'm connting from |
| 06:44.23 | DarkPainter | heard of ramona |
| 06:44.24 | deadcat | nakko: get together for an orgy. |
| 06:44.27 | Agrajag- | and adding it with xhost, but still no go |
| 06:44.29 | DarkPainter | aww god |
| 06:44.36 | DarkPainter | *gets sick( |
| 06:44.39 | deadcat | DarkPainter: i can be the cameraman. |
| 06:44.58 | NetZwerg | Agrajag- you will have to allow the external ip to use your X, xhost +user@host i think it was |
| 06:45.12 | NetZwerg | you can try for first time with xhost + only |
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| 06:45.17 | DarkPainter | cameramen dont get to choke the chicken. this would defeat your purpose |
| 06:45.18 | NetZwerg | this allows all connection |
| 06:45.18 | deadcat | DarkPainter: try dhclient again. |
| 06:45.19 | lyle | I need a command that outputs the ip address of the network interface which has the default gateway with the lowest metric.. I need the "external ip" for a script I am writing... I am using sed and grep to get it but it's a pain... any easy way to get this number? |
| 06:45.32 | NetZwerg | and NO DISPLAY-variable changing |
| 06:45.37 | Agrajag- | NetZwerg: tried that too, still no go |
| 06:45.39 | Hiryu | pppoeconf seems to be generating broken dsl configs... is this a known bug? |
| 06:45.47 | deadcat | DarkPainter: oh. run ifconfig eth0 down && dhclient eth1 (= |
| 06:45.49 | NetZwerg | at least not as long as you want the app running on your screen |
| 06:46.00 | DarkPainter | huh? what does that do? |
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| 06:46.19 | deadcat | DarkPainter: disable your rj45 and use only wireless. maybe your eth0 has a default route or something. |
| 06:46.55 | DarkPainter | lyle, go to www.whatismyip.net |
| 06:47.00 | DarkPainter | it will tell you your external IP |
| 06:47.08 | mwilson | deadcat: Well? |
| 06:47.13 | deadcat | mwilson: cant find it. |
| 06:47.15 | deadcat | link me. |
| 06:47.18 | deadcat | or give me (= |
| 06:47.28 | deadcat | lyle: if you want to know the username try www.whatsmyname.com |
| 06:47.44 | Bomberman^ | Haha |
| 06:47.55 | DarkPainter | *sigh* what now =| |
| 06:47.56 | Bomberman^ | Those really exist |
| 06:48.06 | deadcat | DarkPainter: ping. route |
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| 06:48.42 | DarkPainter | hey dead |
| 06:48.46 | DarkPainter | opps |
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| 06:48.51 | DarkPainter | i mean deadcat =( |
| 06:48.56 | Quan-Time | stoopid debian |
| 06:48.58 | mwilson | deadcat: Uh, I did. And you accepted the DCC. |
| 06:49.00 | deadcat | DarkPainter: dammit. how many fucking time "deadcat" not dead. color dont show dead |
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| 06:49.07 | Quan-Time | it dont like re-sizing partitions |
| 06:49.09 | mwilson | deadcat: Please don't tell me you auto-accept DCC's. |
| 06:49.10 | deadcat | mwilson: oh. (= i dont notice |
| 06:49.11 | Quan-Time | so i have to do it in winxp 1st |
| 06:49.13 | Quan-Time | crazy |
| 06:49.14 | DarkPainter | deadcat.... |
| 06:49.17 | deadcat | mwilson: i dont know. default irssi |
| 06:49.22 | deadcat | DarkPainter: there we go. (= |
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| 06:49.39 | deadcat | mwilson: got it. (= openbox patch. hehehe. how i disable this accept thing? |
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| 06:50.12 | deadcat | mwilson: oh shit. (= |
| 06:50.22 | DarkPainter | deadcat: http://new.sgoogle.com/nwshp?hl=en&ned=us |
| 06:50.25 | mwilson | heh |
| 06:50.28 | inetd | in order to get cdrecord to work do you need to load some scsi driver? |
| 06:50.37 | mwilson | Finally, the light goes on. :) |
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| 06:50.47 | Bomberman^ | inetd, no |
| 06:50.52 | DarkPainter | the first article says "Tension prevails in iraq as landmark polls open" deadcat |
| 06:50.52 | Bomberman^ | only on 2.4.x |
| 06:50.53 | inetd | ive got a ATAPI DVD-RW... IDE |
| 06:51.15 | MobyTurbo | inetd: what's your kernel version? |
| 06:51.33 | inetd | cdrecord -scanbus give me cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
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| 06:51.50 | inetd | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:51.51 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:51.55 | deadcat | how do i disable it? |
| 06:51.58 | mwilson | Better, now? |
| 06:52.09 | deadcat | no i dont know how to disable it. |
| 06:52.13 | deadcat | i am using a diff acocunt. |
| 06:52.14 | mwilson | In irssi? I have no idea. I use epic |
| 06:52.19 | Bomberman^ | inetd, just use dev=/dev/hdc |
| 06:52.20 | MobyTurbo | inetd: just use dev=/dev/hd? (where ? is the letter of your DVD-RW) |
| 06:52.23 | DarkPainter | deadcat.... i read that page from my laptop lol |
| 06:52.24 | psyklops | inetd, I have the SAME problem! |
| 06:52.24 | Bomberman^ | or something like that |
| 06:52.29 | Bomberman^ | MobyTurbo, :-) |
| 06:52.33 | deadcat | "irc/dcc" = { dcc_autoget = "yes"; }; |
| 06:52.34 | deadcat | ? |
| 06:52.34 | MobyTurbo | Bomberman^: GMTA |
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| 06:52.40 | inetd | Bomberman^ MobyTurbo i'll try that |
| 06:52.42 | psyklops | (just saying, continue helping him, I'll follow along) |
| 06:52.46 | deadcat | DarkPainter: what page? |
| 06:52.51 | DarkPainter | deadcat: http://new.sgoogle.com/nwshp?hl=en&ned=us |
| 06:52.56 | dread65 | hey how do apt-get install waht i need to compile java programs thanks |
| 06:52.58 | DarkPainter | aww crap its news not new.s |
| 06:53.02 | mwilson | deadcat: I said I don't know. I've never used irssi. |
| 06:53.13 | deadcat | doh. |
| 06:53.20 | jyfletcher | inetd etc: Just saw this conv. about 2.6.8 and cdrecord. 2.6.8 has a bug. Burning cd's doesn't work. |
| 06:53.26 | Bomberman^ | mwilson, What are you using/ |
| 06:53.37 | mwilson | [22:52] <mwilson> In irssi? I have no idea. I use epic |
| 06:53.40 | deadcat | brb. |
| 06:53.41 | psyklops | heh, does 2.4.27 work? ;) |
| 06:53.53 | Bomberman^ | Oh ok :-) |
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| 06:54.27 | jyfletcher | psyklops: I assume so, but I only had troubles with 2.6.8 |
| 06:54.40 | deadcat | mwilson: send me a file again |
| 06:54.41 | dread65 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.02 | jyfletcher | dread65: java sdk from sun. javac is the compiler |
| 06:55.02 | inetd | im trying it out now |
| 06:55.10 | NetZwerg | dread65 java.sun.com --> download j2se1.4.2 --> download j2sdk 1.4.2 |
| 06:55.18 | dread65 | jyfletcher is there anyway to apt-get that |
| 06:55.21 | *** part/#debian psyklops (john@167.195.205.68.cfl.rr.com) |
| 06:55.23 | NetZwerg | this is what you need to compile java-programs, no apt-get |
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| 06:55.28 | mwilson | deadcat: Better. |
| 06:55.33 | dread65 | NetZwerg: i want to install it |
| 06:55.40 | deadcat | mwilson: damn. maybe i have been owned already. (= |
| 06:55.42 | clojster | can I use the newest kernel with debian sarge even if it isn't in repository? |
| 06:55.42 | dread65 | NetZwerg: how do i get gkrellm also |
| 06:55.48 | MobyTurbo | dread65: /msg dpkg java |
| 06:55.49 | NetZwerg | apt-get install gkrellm |
| 06:55.52 | NetZwerg | i guess ... |
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| 06:55.57 | deadcat | DarkPainter: working yet? |
| 06:55.58 | dread65 | NetZwerg: but it doesnt work |
| 06:56.00 | dread65 | it doesnt find it |
| 06:56.03 | NetZwerg | it does |
| 06:56.04 | mwilson | deadcat: Maybe you have. I have no idea. |
| 06:56.07 | DarkPainter | deadcat: BRB |
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| 06:56.15 | mwilson | deadcat: It's certainly an easy way to do it. |
| 06:56.15 | dread65 | NetZwerg: not for me |
| 06:56.17 | NetZwerg | you may should update your repositorycache |
| 06:56.26 | dread65 | NetZwerg: whats the command |
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| 06:56.41 | deadcat | mwilson: but my .dot files are in cvs when i update it didnt complain so its ok. |
| 06:56.42 | jyfletcher | inetd and psyklops : the 2.6.6 kernel is what I use on systems w/ cd burners. It works well. |
| 06:57.13 | NetZwerg | dread65 if 99.9% of users i know want to run gkrellem and all of these succeeded in this, it must be an mistake on your side ;) -- read some debian FAQs to find out how to work with apt |
| 06:57.19 | darkpainter_ | hey um... deadcat? |
| 06:57.36 | darkpainter_ | what irc program do you use? |
| 06:57.37 | deadcat | yo? |
| 06:57.52 | deadcat | irssi. i am not auto accepting no more so dont even try to fuck me up (= |
| 06:57.53 | NetZwerg | deadcat is using telnet, im sure in it |
| 06:57.54 | dread65 | hey how do i update the repository cache |
| 06:57.55 | NetZwerg | *G* |
| 06:58.01 | darkpainter_ | nice lol |
| 06:58.04 | deadcat | dread65: apt-get update |
| 06:58.06 | darkpainter_ | nah i didnt want that |
| 06:58.20 | Overand | What's a good way to figure out what keeps waking up the hard drive on my laptop after it spins down? |
| 06:58.27 | deadcat | damn i think i am gonna use wine and run mirc on my box. (= |
| 06:58.39 | mwilson | mirc has plenty of holes in it |
| 06:58.43 | darkpainter_ | i just wanted to let you know that... im talking to you from... |
| 06:58.47 | darkpainter_ | the bathroom lmao |
| 06:58.48 | NetZwerg | there are a lot of people donig this |
| 06:58.50 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. but its under wine (= |
| 06:58.52 | Overand | he |
| 06:59.02 | deadcat | DarkPainter: so it works. (= |
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| 06:59.07 | mwilson | So? It can still write to the local filesystem. |
| 06:59.08 | darkpainter_ | rocer that =D |
| 06:59.11 | deadcat | DarkPainter: i was talking while taking a shit last time. HAHAHAH |
| 06:59.13 | Overand | heh the trick with irssi and autoaccept is to at the very least not have it go straight into your home dir. |
| 06:59.16 | darkpainter_ | rofl |
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| 06:59.33 | Bomberman^ | -darkpainter_- VERSION bathIRC 66.6 [bathtub/780 oz] |
| 06:59.34 | FreeIPOD | Free IPOD http://www.freeiPods.com/?r=14261284 Basically, you sign up for the site and complete an offer. The offers are free; join ebay and bid or aol for trial. It's legit, if you think its not kick me in the nuts |
| 06:59.36 | Quan-Time | question, im about to partiton my 120gig in winxp,, i got 60gig for nix |
| 06:59.38 | deadcat | DarkPainter: put http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/wireless in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:59.47 | Overand | darkpainter_: I've IRCed from the bathroom for countless hours. no big deal. |
| 06:59.48 | mwilson | Kick him in the nuts anyway. |
| 06:59.49 | Quan-Time | do i need a ~100meg swap and 59gig ext3 ? |
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| 06:59.53 | darkpainter_ | what the... what was that bomberman |
| 06:59.59 | Quan-Time | or can i just get by with 60gig partition ? |
| 07:00.03 | darkpainter_ | lol overand |
| 07:00.04 | nevyn_ | Quan-Time: how much ram do you need? |
| 07:00.08 | nevyn_ | Quan-Time: how much ram do you have? |
| 07:00.21 | Quan-Time | 1024meg |
| 07:00.30 | Quan-Time | @ nevyn_ |
| 07:00.42 | Overand | heh, i've got a 1 gig swap partition on this box with 192 megs of ram |
| 07:00.42 | nevyn_ | Quan-Time: what are you using the system for? |
| 07:00.46 | deadcat | mwilson: when you patch. do you get 2 Hunk? line 50 and 169? |
| 07:00.49 | Overand | sigh, anyone want to send me some PC66 sodimms? |
| 07:01.01 | Quan-Time | irc, web, email, quake3, lan |
| 07:01.15 | Quan-Time | oh, and chat (ill just use gaim) |
| 07:01.17 | nevyn_ | Quan-Time: I'd put at least some swap. |
| 07:01.22 | nevyn_ | Quan-Time: probably 2gig |
| 07:01.25 | Quan-Time | kk, how much ? |
| 07:01.27 | Quan-Time | 2gig, done |
| 07:01.37 | Overand | at WORK |
| 07:01.39 | Quan-Time | say 5gig and 55gig everything else |
| 07:01.42 | darkpainter_ | lmao we got 3 people here in the bathroom |
| 07:01.44 | Quan-Time | why not :) |
| 07:01.50 | Overand | 3? |
| 07:01.51 | nevyn_ | Quan-Time: meh 1 would probably do. |
| 07:01.56 | Quan-Time | serious ? |
| 07:01.57 | deadcat | DarkPainter: damn. just as i suspected. |
| 07:01.59 | Overand | i need to set up a cam some time, heh |
| 07:01.59 | Quan-Time | oh. didnt know |
| 07:02.06 | darkpainter_ | i assume somone else will come out of the closet eventually |
| 07:02.11 | Quan-Time | ill use 2gig like you said |
| 07:02.17 | Quan-Time | and rest on filesystem |
| 07:02.18 | Quan-Time | cheers |
| 07:02.19 | Overand | out of the closet and inti the bathroom |
| 07:02.25 | darkpainter_ | lol... |
| 07:02.30 | Quan-Time | stoopid debian install is crazy |
| 07:02.37 | Quan-Time | its not nice like other distros |
| 07:02.38 | kingsley_ | Why would kswapd start using more CPU? (on 2.4.27-1-k7) |
| 07:02.50 | Overand | i wonder what the best way to go about moving my /home to this unused partition i have without hosing permissions and whatnot |
| 07:02.55 | Quan-Time | so ill just partition in winxp and fix in setup |
| 07:02.58 | deadcat | Quan-Time: ya. debian sucks. lets try mandrake |
| 07:02.58 | Quan-Time | cheers thto |
| 07:03.04 | Quan-Time | HARARH |
| 07:03.05 | darkpainter_ | well deadcat... um, uber thanks, by the way... and... when i turn this off, and turn it back on........ will i still have my wireless connection? do i have to assign it every time? |
| 07:03.07 | Quan-Time | ive had mdk10 |
| 07:03.14 | Quan-Time | its nice, but yer, ive had my run with it |
| 07:03.15 | Overand | heh, mandrake |
| 07:03.20 | Quan-Time | i want somethin a little more.. skilled |
| 07:03.23 | Quan-Time | try mepis |
| 07:03.27 | deadcat | Overand: time to make your own. |
| 07:03.28 | Overand | debian on this P2-400 is faster than mandrake was on my PIII-800 |
| 07:03.30 | Quan-Time | http://mepis.org |
| 07:03.32 | Quan-Time | or somethin |
| 07:03.38 | Quan-Time | i think its a mdk clone |
| 07:03.40 | Quan-Time | but different |
| 07:03.40 | Overand | deadcat: ? |
| 07:03.42 | deadcat | Quan-Time: SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 07:03.46 | darkpainter_ | rofl |
| 07:03.47 | Quan-Time | harahr |
| 07:03.50 | Quan-Time | *gulp* |
| 07:04.01 | deadcat | Overand: what up. |
| 07:04.01 | inetd | jyfletcher: thats not true. ive just burned an iso image :) my kernel is 2.6.8-1-386 and cdrecord -v speed=52 dev=/dev/hdc -data 5.3-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso |
| 07:04.08 | Overand | deadcat: time to make my own what? |
| 07:04.15 | deadcat | Overand: distro (= |
| 07:04.21 | Overand | heh, i've *almost* got this box completely set up right, too |
| 07:04.27 | Overand | just a few minor things to straighten out |
| 07:04.32 | *** part/#debian Bomberman^ (~bomb@node.tor) |
| 07:04.37 | Overand | like WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS HARD DRIVE KEEP WAKING UP AND GOING BACK TO SLEEP |
| 07:04.43 | Overand | even htough i disabled apm with hdparm |
| 07:04.44 | jyfletcher | inetd: Cool. Maybe it has been fixed since I last messed with it. Will have to try again. |
| 07:05.19 | darkpainter_ | overand... would that be like when it sounds like it winds down.. and then sounds like its booting up from being off? |
| 07:05.34 | Overand | ... |
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| 07:05.42 | Overand | no it's not doing the initial HD whirring noises |
| 07:05.44 | Quan-Time | Overand, HARHAR |
| 07:05.48 | Quan-Time | you on a via chipset ? |
| 07:05.48 | Overand | that's an idivation of a power problem |
| 07:05.53 | Quan-Time | with that hdd ? |
| 07:05.54 | Overand | Quan-Time: no, i'm not. |
| 07:06.00 | Quan-Time | serious ? thats a via problem |
| 07:06.03 | Quan-Time | what chipset you use ? |
| 07:06.06 | Overand | I'm on an intel chipset, and it's a laptop |
| 07:06.11 | Quan-Time | ah, lappy |
| 07:06.18 | Overand | ahhh |
| 07:06.22 | Overand | i think it's tpctl doing it |
| 07:06.28 | Overand | not sure |
| 07:06.38 | darkpainter_ | deadcat? |
| 07:06.38 | Overand | because it's working now |
| 07:06.45 | deadcat | darkpainter_: what? |
| 07:06.49 | Overand | but it 'breaks' if i leave it idle, so something's resetting it when i'm away for a bit. |
| 07:06.50 | Quan-Time | there is a prob with some mobos, its a warrenty thing, sister had the exact problem.. it would power down.. 2days later and a new system, was all good |
| 07:06.51 | darkpainter_ | did u read what i said before? |
| 07:06.59 | Overand | Quan-Time: it's not working 'wrong' |
| 07:07.01 | deadcat | darkpainter_: no. what did you say? |
| 07:07.02 | Overand | it's just being stupid |
| 07:07.06 | darkpainter_ | "overand... would that be like when it sounds like it winds down.. and then sounds like its booting up from being off?" |
| 07:07.08 | Overand | it's just a way-too-agressive sleep setting |
| 07:07.10 | darkpainter_ | oh nvm wrong one |
| 07:07.13 | Overand | darkpainter_: no |
| 07:07.16 | darkpainter_ | ""well deadcat... um, uber thanks, by the way... and... when i turn this off, and turn it back on........ will i still have my wireless connection? do i have to assign it every time?"" |
| 07:07.20 | NetZwerg | your quite some busy supporter in here deadcat, we may should rename that channel to: deadcatīs debian support office ;) |
| 07:07.26 | Overand | when an HD turns on, there's a distinct sound as the heads scan the platters |
| 07:07.33 | Quan-Time | Overand, cool, glad to see its not a common prob |
| 07:07.37 | darkpainter_ | overand i pasted the wrong message |
| 07:07.37 | Overand | CLIIICk clk clk clk clk clk ckichkitty clickkity |
| 07:07.39 | Overand | k |
| 07:07.45 | Quan-Time | as im thinkin about ditching a desktop and getting a lappy |
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| 07:07.49 | Quan-Time | i only play q3 anyways |
| 07:07.51 | deadcat | darkpainter_: thats why i told you to look at sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/wireless |
| 07:07.56 | Quan-Time | so i dont need gfx or anything |
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| 07:08.09 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 07:08.12 | darkpainter_ | deadcat: so whats gonna happen if i turn off my computer now |
| 07:08.18 | NetZwerg | this sure is fun in here |
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| 07:08.28 | Overand | man, it's gone stupid tonight |
| 07:08.36 | deadcat | darkpainter_: you dont get wireless unless you type all those shits. |
| 07:08.38 | deadcat | agian |
| 07:08.45 | NetZwerg | DarkPainter_ the screen will go black and the noice will be reduced |
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| 07:08.47 | NetZwerg | *hide* |
| 07:08.54 | Overand | heh |
| 07:08.55 | darkpainter_ | deadcat: oh noes =| |
| 07:08.57 | Overand | TYPE THE SHITS |
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| 07:09.17 | deadcat | darkpainter_: FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION DAMMIT!!! |
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| 07:09.24 | deadcat | darkpainter_: i am out. |
| 07:09.27 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 07:09.31 | darkpainter_ | deadcat, can you link me... i cant copy all that |
| 07:09.33 | darkpainter_ | lol |
| 07:09.39 | mwilson | deadcat: So, you get the patch to apply? |
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| 07:11.39 | darkpainter_ | um deadcat... i dont know exactly how to do this... (sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/wireless) |
| 07:12.49 | NetZwerg | just put the text from http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/wireless into your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:13.04 | darkpainter_ | i dont get it. is it a file or something? |
| 07:13.10 | NetZwerg | corresponding to your config |
| 07:13.17 | NetZwerg | its an WEBaddress |
| 07:13.17 | darkpainter_ | um... |
| 07:13.18 | Lam_al_A1ie | hi |
| 07:13.20 | darkpainter_ | thru the terminal? |
| 07:13.22 | NetZwerg | some kind you can open with browser |
| 07:13.45 | Lam_al_A1ie | does anyone have info on ftp.de.debian.org? it seems to be down? |
| 07:13.53 | NetZwerg | and /etc/network/interfaces is a file on your hd, where the network interfaces are called |
| 07:14.14 | darkpainter_ | okay, i can only go to network |
| 07:14.26 | NetZwerg | you will have to be root for editing the file |
| 07:14.39 | darkpainter_ | in the terminal or the explorer |
| 07:15.04 | NetZwerg | your editor in which you want to edit the file must be started as root |
| 07:15.13 | darkpainter_ | heh nice.... |
| 07:15.18 | darkpainter_ | so... how? |
| 07:15.23 | NetZwerg | argh |
| 07:15.27 | darkpainter_ | i can use firefox for my browser... |
| 07:15.32 | NetZwerg | yes |
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| 07:15.36 | darkpainter_ | sorry im really new =| |
| 07:15.51 | Overand | heh, firefox really helped increase adoption of linux, methinks |
| 07:15.56 | NetZwerg | just mark all lines after auto ... |
| 07:16.01 | darkpainter_ | huh? |
| 07:16.02 | NetZwerg | including the line where auto is in |
| 07:16.05 | Overand | because windows users get comfortable with the browser, and then can move over with it |
| 07:16.13 | NetZwerg | mark, like using mouse to mark it for copy |
| 07:16.23 | darkpainter_ | oh! copy it ok |
| 07:16.24 | NetZwerg | wait |
| 07:16.39 | darkpainter_ | hilight it? |
| 07:16.59 | markhannon | Can anyone help me identify why gnome-2.8 preferred applications is no longer showing a 'text editor' tab? |
| 07:17.38 | NetZwerg | do the following as root: cd && wget http://hardtechno.ath.cx/interfaces && cat interfaces >> /etc/interfaces |
| 07:17.47 | NetZwerg | just copy past right after the : |
| 07:18.04 | darkpainter_ | hey netzwerg i got it |
| 07:18.11 | NetZwerg | kk |
| 07:18.32 | NetZwerg | argh |
| 07:18.34 | NetZwerg | err |
| 07:18.35 | darkpainter_ | applications > accessories > text editor > open ect/network/interfaces |
| 07:18.42 | NetZwerg | no |
| 07:18.47 | NetZwerg | open terminal |
| 07:18.50 | NetZwerg | do: su |
| 07:18.54 | NetZwerg | enter rootpassword |
| 07:19.26 | darkpainter_ | okay... |
| 07:19.26 | NetZwerg | do: cd && wget http://hardtechno.ath.cx/interfaces && cat interfaces >> /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:19.26 | darkpainter_ | woa thats alot of commands |
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| 07:19.56 | Lam_al_A1ie | actualy that's just one line. |
| 07:19.59 | darkpainter_ | i know |
| 07:20.00 | NetZwerg | thats just downloading the file, and redirecting it to your networkinterfacesdefinition |
| 07:20.03 | darkpainter_ | but.. what did i just do |
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| 07:20.18 | darkpainter_ | it says interfaces saved |
| 07:20.19 | MobyTurbo | darkpainter_: then you've never seen a real Unix pipeline. ;-) |
| 07:20.21 | Buuyo^ | wget -O ~/interfaces http://hardtechno.ath.cx/interfaces; cat ~/interfaces >>/etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:20.22 | Buuyo^ | :X |
| 07:20.23 | Buuyo^ | :P |
| 07:20.45 | NetZwerg | stop this please, she has enough to do with that easy part of a line |
| 07:20.46 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 07:20.51 | darkpainter_ | ... |
| 07:20.54 | darkpainter_ | net |
| 07:20.56 | darkpainter_ | what did i just do |
| 07:21.11 | NetZwerg | you just: cd --> go to your home dir (/root) |
| 07:21.19 | dendrite | darkpainter_: You just appended an eth1 stanza to your network config. |
| 07:21.23 | NetZwerg | wget bla/interfaces --> download file interfaces |
| 07:21.25 | Lam_al_A1ie | cd without arguments moves you to your home-directory. |
| 07:21.35 | darkpainter_ | and.... |
| 07:21.47 | NetZwerg | cat interfaces >> /etc/network/interfaces append all from file to etc network interfaces |
| 07:22.03 | darkpainter_ | so? |
| 07:22.10 | clojster | anyone here knows Checkpoint Firewall? |
| 07:22.15 | NetZwerg | now take a look at interfaces: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:22.30 | NetZwerg | and see if there is written se same as on http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/wireless |
| 07:22.36 | darkpainter_ | nice |
| 07:23.04 | NetZwerg | i just was to lazy to explain the part with the editor ;D |
| 07:23.07 | Lam_al_A1ie | cat writes a file (interfaces) to stdout (console), while ">>" redirects the output of the previous command (cat) to another file |
| 07:23.07 | darkpainter_ | yes it is |
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| 07:23.27 | darkpainter_ | ah... |
| 07:23.49 | NetZwerg | you will |
| 07:23.59 | darkpainter_ | alright |
| 07:24.04 | darkpainter_ | well it says all the stuff in there now |
| 07:24.08 | darkpainter_ | so im gonna reboot |
| 07:24.09 | NetZwerg | there is no way to work longer time with *nix without using pipes |
| 07:24.11 | darkpainter_ | and see if it works |
| 07:24.39 | darkpainter_ | wait wait wait |
| 07:24.44 | darkpainter_ | huh? |
| 07:24.52 | NetZwerg | ? |
| 07:25.17 | darkpainter_ | i ave no idea what hes talkin about |
| 07:25.23 | darkpainter_ | anyways |
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| 07:25.27 | darkpainter_ | im concernetd about this one part |
| 07:25.31 | darkpainter_ | *concerned |
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| 07:26.09 | darkpainter_ | it says "wireless_essid NETWORKESSID" shouldnt it have my ESSID there instead of NETWORKESSID? or does having NETWORKESSID there, auto detect what it already is?! |
| 07:26.18 | NetZwerg | yes you should |
| 07:26.25 | darkpainter_ | how do i fix it *crys* |
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| 07:26.57 | NetZwerg | can you give me the commandline deadcat told u to startup the wnetwork? |
| 07:27.05 | NetZwerg | or |
| 07:27.08 | darkpainter_ | what do you mean |
| 07:27.15 | darkpainter_ | i did like iwconfig |
| 07:27.19 | NetZwerg | "type all this shit" |
| 07:27.20 | NetZwerg | yes |
| 07:27.23 | NetZwerg | this line i mean |
| 07:27.24 | darkpainter_ | ok 1 sec |
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| 07:27.28 | NetZwerg | but not in public |
| 07:27.33 | NetZwerg | if there is your key in |
| 07:27.34 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 07:27.42 | darkpainter_ | can i just edit this in a text editor? |
| 07:27.46 | NetZwerg | yes |
| 07:27.49 | darkpainter_ | can u explain how to do that so im not helpless =| |
| 07:27.54 | NetZwerg | but you will have root-access to edit it |
| 07:27.59 | darkpainter_ | and i do that how |
| 07:28.04 | darkpainter_ | besides terminal |
| 07:28.11 | NetZwerg | u do it in a terminal |
| 07:28.15 | darkpainter_ | okay |
| 07:28.18 | darkpainter_ | im root in termal |
| 07:28.23 | darkpainter_ | what do i type |
| 07:28.30 | NetZwerg | for the beginning, try nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:28.41 | NetZwerg | nanao is a small handy editor good for beginners |
| 07:28.55 | Jacobo221 | I have a problem: I can't copy files to the floppy with a non-root user, but "ls -ld /mnt/fd/fd" shows "drwxrwxrwx". so, what's wrong? the error message is "cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/fd/fd/file': Permission denied" |
| 07:29.02 | darkpainter_ | okay.. |
| 07:29.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 715] by debhelper |
| 07:29.11 | darkpainter_ | it turned terminal into something |
| 07:29.26 | NetZwerg | that something is an editor |
| 07:29.41 | NetZwerg | you should have the lines from the page in there now |
| 07:29.41 | darkpainter_ | but the stuff from before isnt there |
| 07:29.45 | NetZwerg | i c |
| 07:29.51 | NetZwerg | then u wrote wrong |
| 07:30.03 | NetZwerg | do: Ctrl + X |
| 07:30.14 | darkpainter_ | execute what |
| 07:30.15 | MobyTurbo | NetZwerg: don't make me !u you. ;-) |
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| 07:30.25 | NetZwerg | sorry |
| 07:30.26 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 07:30.49 | NetZwerg | and press N for not saving |
| 07:30.59 | NetZwerg | nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:31.34 | NetZwerg | on linux shell you can use <TAB> for name-completion as on irc. But it will complete the name to the file/directory on your hd |
| 07:31.55 | darkpainter_ | i got it now. i forgot the / i just do /etc |
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| 07:31.58 | NetZwerg | so do: nano /et<TAB>netw<TAB>/inter<TAB> e.g. |
| 07:32.00 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 07:32.01 | NetZwerg | kk |
| 07:32.20 | NetZwerg | then insert your values and save it |
| 07:32.46 | Lam_al_A1ie | Jacobo221: have a look on the lower directories /mnt, /mnt/fd. afaik those should be at least 755 ... |
| 07:33.01 | darkpainter_ | ok how do i save it |
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| 07:33.10 | fcrick | is there a system call that will give me the full path of the current running binary? |
| 07:33.15 | Jacobo221 | excepting /, all others are at least 755 |
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| 07:33.24 | Jacobo221 | Lam_al_A1ie: excepting /, all others are at least 755 |
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| 07:34.03 | NetZwerg | Ctrl + X |
| 07:34.09 | NetZwerg | and then press Y for saving |
| 07:34.10 | NetZwerg | :D |
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| 07:34.41 | darkpainter_ | woo |
| 07:34.42 | darkpainter_ | =D |
| 07:35.13 | Lam_al_A1ie | uh, haven't been working with floppies for quite a while (admittedly never did on a linux-machine) |
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| 07:35.30 | Lam_al_A1ie | Jacobo221: how about permissions on /dev/fd0 |
| 07:35.31 | darkpainter_ | ok netZwerg, im gonna reboot |
| 07:35.36 | darkpainter_ | i hope this works!!! |
| 07:35.37 | NetZwerg | gl |
| 07:35.42 | NetZwerg | cu in some min. |
| 07:35.43 | NetZwerg | :D |
| 07:35.46 | darkpainter_ | by the way |
| 07:35.53 | darkpainter_ | it asks me on my way out |
| 07:36.06 | darkpainter_ | a check box with "save current setup" |
| 07:36.08 | darkpainter_ | whats that? |
| 07:36.17 | NetZwerg | but MobyTurbo, a "cu" is allowed isnīt it ;D |
| 07:36.29 | NetZwerg | this is your windowmanager setup |
| 07:36.29 | darkpainter_ | my butts numb lol |
| 07:36.33 | darkpainter_ | whats that |
| 07:36.36 | jazzmanss | darkpainter; that's an option to save your desktop settings/programs. |
| 07:36.42 | darkpainter_ | hmm |
| 07:36.43 | MobyTurbo | NetZwerg: if you're helping someone with UUCP. ;-) |
| 07:36.49 | NetZwerg | just click yes |
| 07:36.51 | Jacobo221 | Lam_al_A1ie: non-related ;) |
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| 07:36.55 | darkpainter_ | so... i can shutdown with firefox open and when i start back up, it will be open? |
| 07:36.58 | mousex | Hi, there! What's tcl/tk usually used for? (scripting, embedding, [ugly] interfaces, etc.) |
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| 07:37.11 | jazzmanss | ideally what it does is return you to the exact same desktop with programs on relogging in. |
| 07:37.12 | NetZwerg | if your WM supports this yes |
| 07:37.19 | pipeline | mousex: You've got it. |
| 07:37.20 | Lam_al_A1ie | yeah, just figured that out myself, Jacobo221 |
| 07:37.27 | darkpainter_ | so its like the windowsxp hibernation? |
| 07:37.31 | quitte | sorry for the offtopic - but this is just too crazy. i hope i can get some help here. |
| 07:37.34 | NetZwerg | uaaa |
| 07:37.34 | aedwards | Hello I keep getting mail to root that Net::SSLeay is not installed...I have tried to do a cpan Net::SSLeay but it fails saying "I could not find your OpenSSL in `INSTALLDIRS=site'" any ideas folks? |
| 07:37.39 | mousex | pipeline: are there any good uses for it? |
| 07:37.39 | NetZwerg | no, it works |
| 07:37.39 | pipeline | mousex: It's less ugly on windows NT :P |
| 07:37.45 | pipeline | mousex: You named the good uses for it. |
| 07:38.01 | quitte | when i run glxinfo i see direct rendering Yes . now when i run ldconfig it changes to No. |
| 07:38.02 | pipeline | mousex: It's very very good at being a glue language and building GUI frontends. |
| 07:38.04 | darkpainter_ | so its like hibernating a windows computer? |
| 07:38.09 | MobyTurbo | mousex: it doesn't have to be as ugly as the defaults, though I'm not sure if you can escape the motif stuff entirely. |
| 07:38.22 | Lam_al_A1ie | Jacobo221: what does `mount` say? |
| 07:38.33 | quitte | then i can run make install in xorgsrc dir again and it will change to Yes - ldconfig - No etc |
| 07:38.38 | Jacobo221 | no probs with mount. it mounts. problem comes with cp |
| 07:38.42 | mousex | MobyTurbo, pipeline: Yeah, but I mean, what good sfotware actually uses it? -- I know of tkgate, tkdesk, and tkman |
| 07:38.43 | darkpainter_ | be back soon... i hope!! |
| 07:38.48 | NetZwerg | its like a windowmanager saving the position of your programms and on relogon putting all back to the way u left |
| 07:38.51 | NetZwerg | but its NOT |
| 07:38.58 | NetZwerg | like hibernating windoof |
| 07:39.02 | bbmj | has anyone else had a problem with thier system clock losing time? the hardware clock stays correct but the system clock loses between 30 min and an hour a day. could a high load average be the cause or this? |
| 07:39.15 | NetZwerg | e.g. open files in an editor would result in just an open editor with no file |
| 07:39.17 | pipeline | mousex: Beats me. It fragmented so badly in the 90's that it's mostly used for one-off scripts and internal stuff. It's like VB, only without the DB integration and less unpleasant to use. |
| 07:39.38 | Lam_al_A1ie | then i don't know |
| 07:39.38 | NetZwerg | you will see soon enough ;D |
| 07:40.14 | quitte | aha - waiting for the installer to finish changes direct rendering to no,too. |
| 07:40.23 | aedwards | buu how do I specify installdir to cpan |
| 07:40.35 | pipeline | mousex: there's some windows apps written using TCL/Tk. |
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| 07:40.51 | simonrvn | aedwards: ECHAN i think |
| 07:40.51 | mousex | pipeline: by "like VB" do you mean it's not very powerful and only lazy programmers use it? |
| 07:40.52 | NetZwerg | quitte then just do not run ldconfig after or set up a script that runs automatically xorgsrc make isntall after ldconfig |
| 07:40.53 | pipeline | mousex: "make xconfig" for linux kernel builds is TCL/Tk |
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| 07:41.15 | pipeline | mousex: No, by "like VB" I mean it's a glue language used to make GUI frontends to other tools in order to automate tasks. |
| 07:41.19 | NetZwerg | i guess it links back to original libraries where only softwarerendering is active |
| 07:41.22 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: make that "was", 2.6 kernels use Qt for xconfig now. |
| 07:41.23 | quitte | NetZwerg hihi how funny |
| 07:41.26 | pipeline | mousex: VB is extremely powerful in non-obvious ways |
| 07:41.30 | mousex | pipeline: in palin English? |
| 07:41.54 | pipeline | mousex: In plain english, don't worry about it and learn Ruby + Ruby-gnome2 instead. What the hell do you expect me to say? :P |
| 07:42.11 | quitte | NetZwerg all libGL libraries I found point to the same libs in usr/X11R6/lib |
| 07:42.22 | mousex | pipeline: just that, exactly! :) |
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| 07:43.02 | pipeline | mousex: There's still jobs out there for folks who know TCL, and it's not a bondage and discipline language. That said, Ruby is pretty good at being a "glue" language, and ruby's libglade support makes rapid development of GUI frontends practical. |
| 07:43.11 | mousex | pipeline: I found the language quite easy to learn, though, and the GUI creation was one of simplest . . . after Rapid-Q. Too bad Gnome isn't as lightweight |
| 07:43.29 | pipeline | mousex: I would really only be interested in TCL/Tk on Windows, where the only other option is really VB |
| 07:44.02 | pipeline | mousex: Heh, Ruby + libglade is the easiest GUI programming you will ever do in your life. |
| 07:44.19 | mousex | pipeline: is it a good option for cross-compatibility, thought? (Win/Linux, GUIs included) |
| 07:44.23 | NetZwerg | stop your flamewars ;D |
| 07:44.34 | pipeline | mousex: TCL/Tk is a horrible option for that. |
| 07:44.38 | mousex | pipeline: because python is great, but to get GUIs you need to install more stuff |
| 07:44.52 | pipeline | mousex: Ruby + ruby-gnome2 is in the same boat as Python + pyGTK |
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| 07:45.00 | oesriram | well, there's also wxruby and wxpython.. |
| 07:45.04 | pipeline | mousex: But Ruby's gnome2 library interfaces are nicer than python's for the programmer. |
| 07:45.05 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: speaking of Ruby, is there any possibility that there will be a Ruby stlib meta-package as requested? |
| 07:45.07 | pipeline | oesriram: Don't say that. |
| 07:45.11 | NetZwerg | some poeple like working with Qt other use scripted GUIs by TCL/Tk, Ruby, Perl, whatever, the next uses Python, another one uses Pixelbuilding .... do as you wish |
| 07:45.12 | NetZwerg | :D |
| 07:45.14 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: I have no idea. |
| 07:45.15 | sleep1999_ | the gdk-imlib-dev just broken |
| 07:46.02 | mousex | Do python and tcl descend from lisp? |
| 07:46.43 | MobyTurbo | mousex: both have a lot of LISP influence, but of course the answer to if they are Lisp is NIL |
| 07:46.49 | sleep1999_ | where to find a working one? |
| 07:46.59 | mousex | :command -option arg1 arg2 |
| 07:47.21 | maher | sleep1999_: broke in what way |
| 07:47.40 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Python is lisp-influenced the way Java is lisp influenced: It's impossible to write any modern language without copying lisp :P |
| 07:47.43 | sleep1999_ | the apt-get tell me can not be installed |
| 07:47.54 | maher | sleep1999_: why not |
| 07:47.58 | pipeline | mousex: I prefer Ruby simply because it has much more regular syntax than python, as well as a better garbage collector. |
| 07:48.28 | MobyTurbo | Ruby's closest "accademic" language is Smalltalk |
| 07:48.39 | mousex | What's a good option for creating cross-platform (Win/Linux) apps with GUIs, that is, form-based? I want to stay away from Java and non-GPL |
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| 07:48.52 | mousex | pipeline: I've never used ruby. |
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| 07:49.00 | Dark | =o |
| 07:49.02 | mousex | pipeline: what does ruby's syntax look like? |
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| 07:49.16 | mousex | apt: shout up |
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| 07:50.01 | jazzmanss | mousex, you like talking to bots? |
| 07:50.17 | mousex | jazzmanss: only when I'm bored :) |
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| 07:50.28 | mousex | dpkg: confuse jazzmanss |
| 07:50.29 | dpkg | Yes, where is your hamster yesterday, jazzmanss? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 07:50.34 | jazzmanss | lol |
| 07:50.49 | jazzmanss | !confuse mousex |
| 07:50.50 | dpkg | No, who is your snake tomorrow, mousex? pants of the people's republic of belarus with extra cheese |
| 07:51.10 | NetZwerg | at least they do not contradict ;D |
| 07:52.12 | mousex | jazzmanss: do you see the structure in those dpkg messages? [yes/no], [who/where] [is/are] your [...] [today/tomorrow/yesterday], [...] of the [...] [with/of/at] [...] |
| 07:52.27 | DarkPainter | =) |
| 07:52.32 | DarkPainter | hey boys lol |
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| 07:53.31 | mousex | So, anyway, what do you guys recommend for GUI and form-based apps that are easily cross-platformed (no Java) and that are GPL'ed? |
| 07:53.54 | jazzmanss | mousex, yes I did notice a fairly simple chain of relationships in the messages |
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| 07:53.57 | quitte | hmmm deleting things isn't the worst to do if you dont know what to do |
| 07:54.32 | mousex | quitte: try deleting /bin/bash and /bin/sh, and then figure out what to do ;) |
| 07:54.32 | broke | I have no mouse functionig in console mode |
| 07:54.36 | broke | is that standard |
| 07:54.41 | broke | ? |
| 07:54.56 | mousex | broke: will only work with framebuffers, I think |
| 07:54.56 | maher | broke: are you using gpm |
| 07:54.59 | broke | I dont have X functioning either, so I cant look it up on web |
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| 07:55.05 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 07:55.07 | DarkPainter | that was smart |
| 07:55.21 | Phated | You can use the mouse in the console, without framebuffer. |
| 07:55.30 | DarkPainter | lol that was smart, i closed irc =P |
| 07:55.36 | mousex | Phated: really? how? |
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| 07:55.41 | Phated | And you don'y need X to surf the web either. |
| 07:55.46 | Phated | Ehh, gpm? |
| 07:55.48 | space | are there any nice frontends to diff? |
| 07:55.48 | mousex | DarkPainter: :) |
| 07:55.51 | MobyTurbo | broke: you can use the web without X, links, lynx, and w3m are three cli browsers. |
| 07:56.06 | broke | MobyTurbo : yeah, but thats discusting.. |
| 07:56.10 | NeoG | does anyone know why 2.6.10 wouldnt be detecting my via onboard IDE controller |
| 07:56.13 | jazzmanss | lynx is uuugly. |
| 07:56.34 | Phated | Oh great, another GUItwit. |
| 07:56.37 | DarkPainter | um... how do i delete a file in ther terminal? |
| 07:56.42 | mousex | jazzmanss, broke: agreed -- lynx is ugly. |
| 07:56.50 | MobyTurbo | "links" and "w3m" usually look better than lynx because they support tables better. |
| 07:56.53 | Phated | links and w3m are decent. |
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| 07:57.07 | NetZwerg | wb DarkPainter |
| 07:57.10 | mousex | DarkPainter: whose terminal? |
| 07:57.17 | DarkPainter | root im pretty sure |
| 07:57.17 | NetZwerg | stop deleting files DarkPainter |
| 07:57.18 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 07:57.20 | broke | but anyway, no mouse in console ? so I can go over to next question :) |
| 07:57.23 | DarkPainter | cause it wont let me do it as me |
| 07:57.29 | NetZwerg | what file you wanna delete? |
| 07:57.47 | Phated | Leave other people's files alone. |
| 07:57.48 | mousex | broke: apt-get install gpm |
| 07:57.55 | DarkPainter | whats gpm |
| 07:58.05 | mousex | !gpm |
| 07:58.05 | dpkg | somebody said gpm was if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 07:58.40 | DarkPainter | interesting |
| 07:58.42 | Phated | DarkPainter: apt-cache search, apt-cache show. |
| 07:58.51 | mousex | DarkPainter: you really wanna delete something? rm -R ~/* :) |
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| 07:58.56 | NetZwerg | stop |
| 07:59.04 | NetZwerg | DarkPainter do not delete anything |
| 07:59.10 | DarkPainter | yea i wanna delete this file /home/darkpainter/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre26 |
| 07:59.13 | NetZwerg | until you really know what to do :) |
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| 07:59.24 | jyfletcher | mousex: that's mean |
| 07:59.28 | DarkPainter | i downloaded it and it wont let me delete it as my user, and i cant login as root and do it |
| 07:59.35 | NetZwerg | rm /home/darkpainter/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre26 |
| 07:59.38 | mousex | DarkPainter: rm /home/darkpainter/linux-wlan-ng*pre26 |
| 07:59.39 | broke | no installation candidate for gpm |
| 07:59.43 | DarkPainter | cool thanks |
| 07:59.47 | NetZwerg | if it is a directory use: rm -r |
| 07:59.51 | MobyTurbo | DarkPainter: you don't need to log in as root in order to be root. use "su" |
| 07:59.57 | DarkPainter | i know |
| 08:00.02 | DarkPainter | THAT i know =P |
| 08:00.03 | NetZwerg | she did |
| 08:00.04 | NetZwerg | :D |
| 08:00.15 | DarkPainter | awesome |
| 08:00.17 | Phated | What do you mean by "won't let you"? It's your homedir. |
| 08:00.19 | DarkPainter | cool thanks guys |
| 08:00.19 | mousex | jyfletcher: I thought he was kidding . .. guess not |
| 08:00.26 | MobyTurbo | DarkPainter: just making sure. :) |
| 08:00.26 | DarkPainter | yea but i downloaded it AS root |
| 08:00.31 | DarkPainter | so i cant delete it |
| 08:00.35 | Phated | Wrong. |
| 08:00.52 | DarkPainter | it had a fucking padlock symbol on it and told me access denied okay!? |
| 08:00.53 | Phated | Well... |
| 08:01.05 | Phated | Actually, WTF were you downloading crap as root? |
| 08:01.13 | jyfletcher | mousex: she; and she seems pretty new to things... :) |
| 08:01.14 | DarkPainter | uh |
| 08:01.23 | maher | DarkPainter: well log in as root an duse rm <filename> |
| 08:01.37 | DarkPainter | i was trying to follow a tutorial to setup my pcmcia wireless network card |
| 08:01.47 | DarkPainter | and then deadcat helped me so i dont need it anymore |
| 08:01.56 | DarkPainter | and thanks maher i already deleted it =) |
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| 08:02.05 | mousex | DarkPainter: when you download something as root, it will have root's permissions, so it will not be readable/writeable by other users. ls -l will show you permissions of files. |
| 08:02.19 | DarkPainter | exactly mousex |
| 08:02.28 | DarkPainter | thats why i couldnt delete it as the user im logged in as |
| 08:02.28 | Phated | <shrug> If rm worked, obviously you don't need to be root to delete it, will you. |
| 08:02.34 | DarkPainter | no |
| 08:02.37 | DarkPainter | i used rm -r |
| 08:02.54 | Phated | So it was a dir. |
| 08:03.04 | mousex | uh!!! |
| 08:03.04 | MobyTurbo | DarkPainter: rm -r is not for deleting a single file |
| 08:03.13 | MobyTurbo | DarkPainter: you're thinking of rm -f |
| 08:03.20 | DarkPainter | i did this after i did su <root pass> rm -r/home/darkpainter/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre26, went to recycle bin, and deleted it |
| 08:03.27 | NetZwerg | you shouldnīt talk all at once to her |
| 08:03.28 | NetZwerg | :D |
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| 08:03.36 | Phated | "recycle bin"? |
| 08:03.43 | NetZwerg | yeah i wondered too now |
| 08:03.43 | DarkPainter | wastebasket..... |
| 08:03.44 | NetZwerg | :) |
| 08:03.48 | mousex | ?? |
| 08:03.51 | NetZwerg | there is no such thing in linux |
| 08:03.56 | DarkPainter | i moved from windows xp alright, im trying to break some habbits... |
| 08:03.57 | NetZwerg | there is also no unrm |
| 08:03.59 | NetZwerg | *G* |
| 08:04.04 | Phated | OK, you're fucked up. |
| 08:04.09 | DarkPainter | aww shut up |
| 08:04.12 | DarkPainter | jesus |
| 08:04.21 | NetZwerg | me? |
| 08:04.23 | NetZwerg | them? |
| 08:04.24 | DarkPainter | im new alright |
| 08:04.24 | Phated | When you rm something, it is GONE. It doesn't go into a fucking recycle bin/wastebasket/whatever. |
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| 08:04.27 | mousex | DarkPainter: so, did you get your network card working after all? |
| 08:04.34 | NetZwerg | yes |
| 08:04.37 | NetZwerg | she did |
| 08:04.43 | DarkPainter | well howcome i did rm -r /home/darkpainter/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre26 as root and it was in the fuckin wastebasket?! |
| 08:04.47 | Sysdrum | you tell then phated |
| 08:04.47 | mousex | NetZwerg: OK |
| 08:04.58 | Phated | THERE IS NO FUCKING WASTEBASKET! |
| 08:05.04 | mousex | lol |
| 08:05.09 | DarkPainter | and yes im talking from my bedroom with no cords other than my power cord |
| 08:05.11 | DarkPainter | alright phated |
| 08:05.13 | Phated | rm doesn't MOVE anything ANYWHERE. |
| 08:05.14 | DarkPainter | whatever you say |
| 08:05.20 | DarkPainter | i know what i did |
| 08:05.20 | Sysdrum | *phated: oops should be tell them. |
| 08:05.23 | DarkPainter | and i know where it went |
| 08:05.24 | maher | DarkPainter: what does alias rm say |
| 08:05.27 | DarkPainter | and i know that its gone |
| 08:05.30 | DarkPainter | so... whatever |
| 08:05.31 | jazzmanss | !rm |
| 08:05.32 | dpkg | well, rm is used to delete a file (syntax: rm <file>), or the Grim File Reaper, or really just a wrapper 'round unlink(2) RealMedia (icky proprietary audio/video codecs) |
| 08:05.47 | DarkPainter | there you go |
| 08:05.55 | mousex | !mv |
| 08:05.56 | dpkg | mv is, like, move |
| 08:06.07 | broke | okay, fuck the mouse... I'll loop { Alt+F1[F2,F3,F4,F5] *remember* write , instead of copy/paste |
| 08:06.18 | Phated | <sigh> Has a crap alias or something as rm and doesn't know it. |
| 08:06.19 | mousex | DarkPainter: Have you or are you going to set up X? |
| 08:06.39 | Phated | mousex: Obviously HAS X. "padlock symbol"? |
| 08:06.39 | DarkPainter | i logged in as root, and did this command "rm -r /home/darkpainter/linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre26" and it ran... and i opened wastebasket, and clicked it and deleted it |
| 08:06.46 | DarkPainter | so u know, believe whatever u wanna belive |
| 08:06.55 | mousex | Phated: WTF is a padlock symbol? |
| 08:06.59 | DarkPainter | it had the icon |
| 08:06.59 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 08:07.05 | jazzmanss | darkpainter; what/where is this wastebasket? |
| 08:07.07 | Phated | mousex: Lastlog the idiot and see what she said, yeah? |
| 08:07.07 | DarkPainter | and then it had a little orange padlock on the upper left! |
| 08:07.11 | Sysdrum | phated: I think debian hates me. |
| 08:07.13 | Phated | See? |
| 08:07.16 | MobyTurbo | DarkPainter: are you sure you're running Debian? Debian doesn't have a built-in "wastebasket" alias. |
| 08:07.17 | Phated | Sysdrum: Oh yeah? What |
| 08:07.20 | hoarycripple | DarkPainter, you can believe what you want to believe also...there is no wastebasket. You must be aliasing rm |
| 08:07.22 | NetZwerg | there are desktops whicht have them wastebin implemented |
| 08:07.24 | jazzmanss | a padlock symbol in konqueror signifies you don't have authorization to view/access a file. |
| 08:07.24 | Phated | Sysdrum: What's wrong? |
| 08:07.25 | NetZwerg | WMs |
| 08:07.34 | DarkPainter | .... |
| 08:07.36 | NetZwerg | but just a messy thing of a bug |
| 08:07.38 | NetZwerg | ;) |
| 08:07.38 | DarkPainter | im running gnome |
| 08:07.44 | mousex | Phated: anyway, if she's in X, then I do believe the file went to the "recycle bin" . . . when was the last time you used a GUI? |
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| 08:08.09 | DarkPainter | you mean i can use irc... without a gui? wth?! |
| 08:08.16 | Sysdrum | phated : well it won't at all now let me see any gui. no gnome no kde nothing sadden by that fact. |
| 08:08.16 | Phated | mousex: When you "rm" ANYTHING, FROM THE CONSOLE, or AN XTERM, it doesn't go to a fucking bin. |
| 08:08.20 | MobyTurbo | mousex: but she specifically said she used "rm -r" |
| 08:08.21 | broke | (EE) VESA(0) : no matching modes. (EE) no screens blabla bla from Xfree86 log... |
| 08:08.28 | Phated | Sysdrum: Sucks to be you. |
| 08:08.35 | mousex | Phated: rm from konsole and tell me about it . . . |
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| 08:08.45 | maher | Phated: relax |
| 08:08.46 | Phated | Ah, so konsole has crap, does it. |
| 08:08.48 | MobyTurbo | DarkPainter: yes. irssi-text, bitchx, ircii, epic, etc are all IRC text clients |
| 08:08.57 | DarkPainter | sysdrum, that only happened to me once |
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| 08:08.59 | Phated | Only irssi-text is worht using, of course. |
| 08:09.01 | DarkPainter | and u know what i did? |
| 08:09.03 | Phated | worth. |
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| 08:09.06 | mousex | broke: do you know what vide chipset you have? |
| 08:09.23 | NetZwerg | so im off, watching some movies, playing some games etc. |
| 08:09.34 | DarkPainter | i re-installed debian when that happened to me sysdrum lol |
| 08:09.35 | broke | video shipset ? no, that's the problem |
| 08:09.36 | Phated | broke: Don't use the vesa driver, just use the driver specific to your video card. |
| 08:09.45 | Phated | That might help. |
| 08:09.48 | Sysdrum | phated : I think it liked me but was not in like with me . |
| 08:09.52 | mousex | broke: lspci should show you . . . |
| 08:09.55 | Phated | Sysdrum: Ahh. What error? |
| 08:10.22 | broke | VIA |
| 08:10.24 | Sysdrum | phated : this should not happen one. |
| 08:10.34 | DarkPainter | anyone wanna be nice and help me get my windows xp desktop, and my linux debian sarge (the one im on) laptop, networked so i can move some files over from windows to here? |
| 08:10.38 | mousex | broke: VIA what? |
| 08:10.41 | Phated | Sysdrum: Of course not. So? Obviousky it's happening. |
| 08:11.01 | mousex | DarkPainter: have you heard of "samba"??? |
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| 08:11.14 | quitte_ | DarkPainter install cygwin on xp. |
| 08:11.21 | maher | DarkPainter: you could run sshd on debian and winscp on windows |
| 08:11.24 | Sysdrum | phated : "this should not happen" is what is says. then is give me the console command prompt |
| 08:11.41 | broke | Apollo Promedia |
| 08:11.44 | Phated | Sysdrum: Before that? |
| 08:12.00 | Phated | DarkPainter: Download putty on windows and ssh into your Debian box. |
| 08:12.02 | broke | AGP |
| 08:12.05 | mousex | broke: let me look it up |
| 08:12.13 | broke | thanks man:) |
| 08:12.23 | Phated | Of course, you could look it up too. |
| 08:12.24 | NetZwerg | so im off |
| 08:12.39 | Sysdrum | phated : be right back got to get a pen and write it down |
| 08:12.44 | Phated | Sysdrum: Cool. |
| 08:12.57 | NetZwerg | DarkPainter if you think some things are suspicious in here, dont execute these commands without asking google e.g. ;D |
| 08:13.03 | NetZwerg | so hf |
| 08:13.04 | NetZwerg | *G* |
| 08:13.12 | DarkPainter | whats thelol NetZwerg |
| 08:13.21 | DarkPainter | *nevermind the whats the |
| 08:13.29 | DarkPainter | hmm |
| 08:13.31 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 08:13.46 | NetZwerg | bye bye |
| 08:13.53 | DarkPainter | i just want to be able to have my linux laptop and my xp desktop see eachother so i can move mp3 files and stuff over... |
| 08:14.17 | maher | DarkPainter: we gave you a bunch of ways - pick one and do it |
| 08:14.20 | Phated | Could just install Linux on them both. <shrug> |
| 08:14.23 | DarkPainter | nice lol |
| 08:14.24 | DarkPainter | no |
| 08:14.30 | DarkPainter | because it wont work on my pc |
| 08:14.55 | DarkPainter | it doesnt recognize my DVD-ROM or my DVD-RW drives, and i dont have a floppy drive |
| 08:14.59 | Sysdrum | phated : "this should not happen!" "An unresolved function was called!" "Fatal Server error" |
| 08:15.12 | Phated | Sysdrum: <shrug> REconfig X, try again. |
| 08:15.45 | Sysdrum | phated : Ah geez I was hoping you would not say that. |
| 08:15.53 | Sysdrum | *hopeing |
| 08:16.05 | DarkPainter | guys which is the easiest way? im really new at this =| |
| 08:16.07 | Phated | Sysdrum: I have no clue what went wrong, mainly because your errors aren't that specific. |
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| 08:16.53 | DarkPainter | nice |
| 08:17.03 | maher | DarkPainter: apt-get install ssh ; rm /etc/sshd/dont-run-whatever ; /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 08:17.21 | Sysdrum | phated : "this should not happen!" "An unresolved function was called!" "Fatal Server error" is all it said. in the center of the screen. |
| 08:17.35 | Phated | Sysdrum: WHAT is the thing exactly, that is giving this error? |
| 08:17.44 | mousex | broke: try the nvidia driver |
| 08:17.48 | Sysdrum | phated : I changed one little thing and my computer got scared |
| 08:17.57 | Phated | Sysdrum: WHAT was it? |
| 08:18.02 | broke | mousex: thanks, I'll try |
| 08:18.17 | Sysdrum | phated : 8 bit to 16 bit on the video settings. |
| 08:18.25 | maher | Sysdrum: change it back |
| 08:18.29 | Phated | What he said. |
| 08:18.51 | booyaa | *hmmm* |
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| 08:19.17 | booyaa | dvd is stuck trying to access a disk, how do you kill the process? kill #pid doesn't do jack :/ |
| 08:19.22 | DarkPainter | um... i installed wavemon... it isnt an app? |
| 08:19.23 | mousex | DarkPainter: want an easy way? run an ftp server on Debian and access it from internet explorer on winxp |
| 08:19.44 | DarkPainter | that sounds good!! |
| 08:19.46 | DarkPainter | how do i do that?! |
| 08:19.47 | Phated | gnump3d has slightly better security than running stuff like ftp. |
| 08:19.49 | jyfletcher | booya: kill -9 #pid (only if you have to) |
| 08:19.53 | Phated | And prettier too. |
| 08:20.18 | mousex | DarkPainter: apt-get install ftpd |
| 08:20.25 | Sysdrum | phated : yeah my video sucks now again back to the drwing board. I just want my old computer to run like new. |
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| 08:21.02 | mousex | DarkPainter: then, in Explorer, type the IP address of your Debian box and log in with your username and password |
| 08:21.02 | Phated | Sysdrum: <shrug> Buy a new one. Upgrade some hardware. One of them. Both of them. Your choice. |
| 08:21.05 | DarkPainter | does ftpd have a gui or am i going to be lost like i am after i installed wavemon and i dont know what to do with it |
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| 08:21.20 | maher | DarkPainter: why didn't you do what i said |
| 08:21.27 | Phated | Why the HELL would you need a GUI to config an ftpd? |
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| 08:21.38 | DarkPainter | cause this ftp thing sounds great |
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| 08:21.53 | maher | DarkPainter: you can do ftp via ssh |
| 08:22.03 | DarkPainter | =| |
| 08:22.07 | Sysdrum | phated : yeah but it has been with me scence 3.1 windows. |
| 08:22.08 | mousex | booyaa: look at debianhelp.org on the post that says "hello and good buy", 4th page -- they are discussing the exact same issue with CD devices |
| 08:22.10 | DarkPainter | well i got ftpd installed now what do i do lol |
| 08:22.23 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 08:22.23 | dpkg | hmm... lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 08:22.25 | maher | DarkPainter: remove it and install ssh |
| 08:22.30 | DarkPainter | how do i remove stuff... |
| 08:22.31 | Phated | Sysdrum: <shrug> |
| 08:22.52 | maher | DarkPainter: man apt-get |
| 08:23.04 | Phated | Sysdrum: Nothing is going to make something old run like something new. Linux is not the Fountain of Youth. Linux is the Elixir of Life. |
| 08:23.28 | mousex | DarkPainter: do you know the IP of your debian box? You need to type it in Explorer to access your debian ftp server. |
| 08:23.41 | DarkPainter | my external or internal |
| 08:23.49 | Phated | External, no shit. |
| 08:24.07 | mousex | DarkPainter: LAN |
| 08:24.18 | Sysdrum | phated : I know but I just want kim my compaq to live the rest of her days happy and microsoft free. |
| 08:24.28 | Phated | If he doesn't have them networked, how in hell is using the internal address going to work? :) |
| 08:24.43 | Phated | Oh, sorry, she. |
| 08:24.50 | dumitru | hi! any idea where I can find the md5sums for the cd iso images of the testing distribution available at http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386? anticipated thanks! |
| 08:24.54 | Phated | Sysdrum: <shrug> Buy her a companion. |
| 08:25.06 | cat | dumitru: what do you mean? |
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| 08:25.38 | mousex | DarkPainter: can you ping your winxp box from debian? |
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| 08:25.53 | DarkPainter | sure 1 sec |
| 08:26.11 | mousex | DarkPainter: by the way, to remove packages, use apt-get remove package_name |
| 08:26.48 | DarkPainter | ok i pinged it |
| 08:26.50 | DarkPainter | it works |
| 08:26.51 | Sysdrum | phated : she does jim newtron my red hat/2003 server and bob hope my laptop and killer joe my desktop and mobojumbo my xbox |
| 08:27.09 | Phated | Sysdrum: <shrug> She can always use one more. |
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| 08:27.32 | mousex | DarkPainter: now ping your debian box from XP, and then try to connect to it with the FTP program in the WinXP console |
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| 08:27.42 | DarkPainter | how do i ping from xp. use cmd? |
| 08:27.42 | cat | oh boy debian.org is down |
| 08:27.49 | DarkPainter | cat try www.debian.org |
| 08:27.49 | cat | cmd ping ip |
| 08:27.58 | penrod | exit |
| 08:28.01 | Phated | Or just ftp://xx.xx.xx.xx:21 |
| 08:28.04 | penrod | logout |
| 08:28.10 | Phated | coywolf: Don't message me. |
| 08:28.22 | Sysdrum | phated : I know I am working on her and teddy my palm polit. seeing if i can put emdebian on him |
| 08:28.24 | mousex | DarkPainter: yes, use cmd |
| 08:28.40 | Phated | Sysdrum: Good for you. |
| 08:28.49 | Phated | Sysdrum: Now change back the video mode. |
| 08:29.16 | Sysdrum | phated : I did it sucks that is why i changed it in the first place. |
| 08:29.17 | dumitru | anyone with an ideea where I could find these md5sums? |
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| 08:29.26 | Phated | Sysdrum: Cry me a river. |
| 08:29.29 | aedwards | how do I find the install directory of a package? |
| 08:29.36 | cat | aedwards: whereis package |
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| 08:29.49 | Zetabyte | Is anyone else having problems with debian sid, as far as netinst / getting x-window-system up and running? is Sid in the process of a major package reorganization or something? |
| 08:29.51 | mousex | aedwards: dpkg -L package_name can show you all files in the package |
| 08:29.55 | Sysdrum | phated: fine i will then |
| 08:30.02 | udev | anyone knows how to play sound under udev? |
| 08:30.03 | dumitru | aedwards: dpkg -L package |
| 08:30.03 | leira | i cannot compile the src package balsa-2.2.6-1 |
| 08:30.09 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.15 | leira | but i can build it with "./configure;make" routin |
| 08:30.18 | mousex | DarkPainter: were you able to ping your debian box? |
| 08:30.21 | leira | the Error is "rfc3156.c:338: error: syntax error before "GMimeGpgmeContext"" |
| 08:30.25 | udev | there's no /dev/dsp anymore after i installed gnome |
| 08:30.26 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.29 | cat | leira: then apt-get install it |
| 08:30.30 | aedwards | thanks |
| 08:30.30 | leira | because the default configure donsn't use GPGME |
| 08:30.34 | DarkPainter | yea i was |
| 08:30.35 | cat | aedwards: np |
| 08:30.39 | udev | i find there's /dev/snd/ |
| 08:30.40 | mousex | broke: did the nvidia driver work? |
| 08:30.49 | DarkPainter | mousex i was |
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| 08:30.55 | leira | cat: i have to change a compile time arg |
| 08:31.04 | mousex | DarkPainter: how about FTP? |
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| 08:31.14 | DarkPainter | how do i do that |
| 08:31.18 | udev | anyone can see my words? |
| 08:31.22 | DarkPainter | yea |
| 08:31.27 | Phated | DarkPainter: Connect to it with port 21 in your web browser on XP. |
| 08:31.29 | DarkPainter | we can see u |
| 08:31.30 | mousex | From the Windows Explorer, type: ftp://xxx.xxx.xxx.xx:21 |
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| 08:31.34 | udev | DarkPainter, thanks |
| 08:31.41 | Phated | Hmmm, it is port 21, isn'it it? I've never really used ftp. |
| 08:31.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yes. It is. |
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| 08:32.06 | udev | i installed gnome last night, now, today, i find my system changed. the /dev/ changed. there're less files in /dev/ now. and it's mounted filesystem. i want to play sound, there's no /dev/dsp any more. i find there's /dev/snd. |
| 08:32.11 | DarkPainter | it says 530 login incorrect |
| 08:32.14 | udev | any idea? |
| 08:32.25 | mousex | DarkPainter: you need to login like you would in debian |
| 08:32.31 | DarkPainter | ... |
| 08:32.34 | peterretief | any kind p like to help me get apache running with php4 |
| 08:32.40 | DarkPainter | it doesnt give me a login prompt |
| 08:32.51 | Phated | Use IE or whatever shit. It -will-. |
| 08:32.52 | DarkPainter | it just says 530 login incorrect in an alert box |
| 08:32.59 | mousex | DarkPainter: hum . . . it's probably doing anonymous login automatically. |
| 08:33.02 | DarkPainter | o i was using firefox =| |
| 08:33.18 | Phated | Firefox does too. |
| 08:33.21 | udev | type my nick name if any of you can see my words |
| 08:33.30 | mousex | udev, yes |
| 08:33.33 | udev | mousex, thanks |
| 08:33.36 | helloyo | udev, nope, sorry |
| 08:33.43 | mousex | udev: lag time? |
| 08:33.44 | Phated | Fiddle with your FF options, or your ftpd options. One of them is doing something automatically. |
| 08:33.47 | mousex | helloyo: :) |
| 08:33.47 | DarkPainter | here we go mousex i got it in IE. firefox wouldnt let me use a login prompt but i got access to one in IE |
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| 08:34.00 | mousex | DarkPainter: great! |
| 08:34.17 | DarkPainter | awesome |
| 08:34.22 | DarkPainter | now i got like 400 folders and files |
| 08:34.37 | Phated | Which folder did you choose to share, then? Root? :) |
| 08:34.44 | DarkPainter | huh? |
| 08:34.45 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:34.47 | jyfletcher | g'night everyone |
| 08:34.48 | DarkPainter | im using ftpd lol |
| 08:34.51 | peterretief | whats a good place to get package install info? |
| 08:34.53 | mousex | DarkPainter: now, when you get bored of using FTP, look up SAMBA on the internet . . . it's to make a "network neighborhood" in a workgroup between win and linux |
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| 08:35.15 | DarkPainter | ah... now THATS more what im looking for |
| 08:35.17 | Phated | You never did... actually -configure- your ftpd, did you. |
| 08:35.24 | DarkPainter | no... no i didnt =| |
| 08:35.28 | DarkPainter | i dont know how... =/ |
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| 08:35.43 | Phated | Aww, gee. |
| 08:35.44 | mousex | !tell peterretief about packages.debian.org |
| 08:35.47 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 08:35.52 | DarkPainter | !ftpd |
| 08:35.52 | dpkg | i heard ftpd is the daemon that speaks the FTP protocol. The following choices are available on Debian: ftpd, the *BSD daemon (good, robust piece of software without anything shiny on it), wu-ftpd (a high-performance, multi-homing and anon-only capable daemon that has caused traffic on bugtraq lately), and proftpd which is somewhere in between |
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| 08:36.10 | DarkPainter | =/ |
| 08:36.13 | DarkPainter | doesnt tell me much |
| 08:36.29 | cat | DarkPainter: what do u need? |
| 08:36.29 | jazzmanss | darkpainter; you should man ftpd |
| 08:36.31 | udev | helloyo, ? |
| 08:36.40 | Buuyo^ | mmm |
| 08:36.42 | mousex | DarkPainter: any server (http, ftp, etc.) can be configured to give access to only certain folders. man ftpd |
| 08:36.42 | Buuyo^ | pig soup |
| 08:36.45 | udev | mousex, hmm |
| 08:36.49 | DarkPainter | i think phated is right... i might need to configure my ftp... =| |
| 08:36.54 | DarkPainter | it doesnt have a manual |
| 08:36.57 | Phated | Of course you do. Sheesh. |
| 08:36.58 | drac | DarkPainter: man in.ftpd |
| 08:37.00 | jazzmanss | man whatever should be your first step with any command/program. |
| 08:37.01 | drac | DarkPainter: it does. |
| 08:37.01 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 08:37.01 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:37.03 | cat | DarkPainter: it does |
| 08:37.07 | DarkPainter | it doesnt |
| 08:37.10 | drac | DarkPainter: man in.ftpd |
| 08:37.13 | drac | ! |
| 08:37.16 | DarkPainter | it says no manual entry for ftpd |
| 08:37.18 | Phated | Just... Look for the main config file and red the comments in it or some shit. |
| 08:37.21 | mousex | udev: ??? |
| 08:37.28 | udev | mousex, lag time |
| 08:37.29 | drac | DarkPainter: READ: man in.ftpd |
| 08:37.39 | scarynetworkguy | Or, crazy thought here, google for the docs off of the website. |
| 08:37.40 | DarkPainter | o... |
| 08:37.51 | udev | gnome fucked with udev :( |
| 08:37.56 | mousex | udev: sucks, doesn't it! |
| 08:38.15 | DarkPainter | ok im gonna go look at samba and configure my ftp |
| 08:38.20 | udev | mousex, i can't play sound now, no /dev/dsp |
| 08:38.20 | DarkPainter | thanks guys!! you all rock! |
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| 08:38.53 | mousex | DarkPainter: (yeah, me especially . . ) ha, ha |
| 08:38.57 | mousex | :) |
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| 08:39.14 | mousex | udev: what did you do, upgrade to a newer version of gnome? |
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| 08:39.40 | udev | mousex, yes, installed the latest gnome |
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| 08:40.39 | mousex | udev: I don't know how to help you with that one . . . but try apt-get dist-upgrade and then, as crazy as it sounds, reboot your computer. |
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| 08:40.47 | Overand | DarkPainter: you're welcome |
| 08:40.52 | Overand | and i know i rock, you don't have to tell me. |
| 08:41.02 | Overand | I think DarkPainter is a girl. |
| 08:41.05 | udev | mousex, ah, good idea |
| 08:41.07 | mousex | Overand: right |
| 08:41.20 | cat | i wish i had a linux chick g/f |
| 08:41.31 | mousex | udev: hang on, do an "apt-get update" before the "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 08:41.42 | mousex | cat: who wouldn't |
| 08:42.10 | mousex | cat: but then, she would be trying to beat you at everything . . . |
| 08:42.15 | Overand | heh, generally speaking the OS-of-preference doesn't factor into my choice of girlfriend |
| 08:42.35 | Phated | cat: They're not hard to find. |
| 08:42.47 | lgd_ | is there a command for find a memory of video card ? |
| 08:42.58 | mousex | Overand: generally speaking, my choice of girlfriend is limited because not many girls seem to use Linux :) |
| 08:43.01 | DarkPainter | yes i am overand |
| 08:43.05 | Overand | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.06 | lgd_ | type lspci for device pci ? |
| 08:43.20 | cat | well this girl i know she's hot and a debian programmer |
| 08:43.24 | mousex | lgd_: I don't think a command can show that |
| 08:43.24 | Overand | HEY, IF ANY OF YOUR APPS AREN'T GPL, or at LEAST bsd licensed, you ain't getting NOTHIN! |
| 08:43.38 | mousex | lgd_: but X doesn't need to now, either; it can guess |
| 08:43.39 | lgd_ | see i log of xfree ? |
| 08:43.53 | Phated | lgd_: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 08:43.55 | Overand | DarkPainter: now why could I tell that you're a girl? |
| 08:44.02 | lgd_ | thank all |
| 08:44.09 | Overand | That's *so odd.* |
| 08:44.10 | Phated | Overand: The overwhelming gratitude at having a cimple problem solved. |
| 08:44.13 | mousex | Overand: good point |
| 08:44.15 | Phated | simple. |
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| 08:44.23 | Overand | Phated: she only said 'thanks' and 'you rock' |
| 08:44.27 | Overand | i knew she was a girl before that, though |
| 08:44.28 | DarkPainter | cause if you rightclick on my name it says megan under real name? or mabye because i refer to myself as a she and those who know my gender tend to refer to me as it... |
| 08:44.35 | Overand | DarkPainter: i never whoised., |
| 08:44.39 | Overand | and i never saw you say 'she' |
| 08:44.40 | Phated | Overand: With multiple exclamation marks. |
| 08:44.44 | mousex | TAKE ALL OF DarkPainter's log to gendergenie |
| 08:44.58 | Overand | Phated: ok i'll cede you the multiple explamation points, but i never did a whois |
| 08:45.06 | Overand | and i made the conclusion before the 'thanks all!!' |
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| 08:45.14 | Overand | Also, I think she *isn't* gay. |
| 08:45.16 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 08:45.22 | guru | does anyone here know of any decent dvd copying software? |
| 08:45.23 | mousex | :) |
| 08:45.25 | Phated | Overand: Fair enough. More than one person's referred to her as female. |
| 08:45.31 | Phated | guru: Try dvdbackup. |
| 08:45.35 | DarkPainter | well if you people -must- know...im bi lol |
| 08:45.37 | guru | Phated: thanks |
| 08:45.39 | mousex | cat: who's these debian girl programmer? |
| 08:45.42 | Overand | Phated: i haven't even been here for the past few hours. |
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| 08:45.50 | cat | mousex: some girl that i know (: |
| 08:45.51 | Overand | haha |
| 08:45.52 | Overand | nice |
| 08:45.55 | mousex | DarkPainter: that's hot |
| 08:45.56 | mousex | :) |
| 08:45.57 | Overand | root!root - no firewall either |
| 08:45.58 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 08:46.03 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 08:46.03 | Overand | root: you'll want to disconnect from irc. |
| 08:46.03 | dpkg | i heard lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 08:46.09 | DarkPainter | oh! thats the other thing i was going to ask!! |
| 08:46.11 | scarynetworkguy | No stop that. |
| 08:46.14 | Phated | Overand: Not really caring. Watch how everyone flocks to the female. |
| 08:46.20 | DarkPainter | i need a good anti-virus and firewall program for my computer now... |
| 08:46.21 | Overand | screw that |
| 08:46.22 | mousex | cat: right . . . |
| 08:46.23 | Overand | root has landed |
| 08:46.29 | guru | Phated: know of any gui utilities? |
| 08:46.29 | Overand | i'm flocking to irc-as-root |
| 08:46.30 | Overand | heh |
| 08:46.30 | cat | yeap, |
| 08:46.31 | scarynetworkguy | DarkPainter: Debian. |
| 08:46.36 | Overand | efnet won't even let you irc as root |
| 08:46.36 | Phated | guru: xterm. |
| 08:46.37 | Overand | iirc |
| 08:46.39 | cat | she's so freaking smart |
| 08:46.51 | guru | Phated: heh, ok i'll give dvdbackup a spin |
| 08:46.55 | DarkPainter | scarynetworkguy?? |
| 08:46.56 | cat | i wish i had her knowledge |
| 08:46.57 | mousex | DarkPainter: do you have a router? They usually have firewalls integrated that are easy to configure |
| 08:47.04 | DarkPainter | yea mousex i have a router |
| 08:47.17 | Phated | Pfft, apt-cache search firewall | less, pick one. |
| 08:47.25 | Overand | but yes, it is kind of sad how we all pay more attention to DarkPainter because she's a girl |
| 08:47.27 | DarkPainter | but im a security freak. ive got norton, macafee, webroot spysweeper, AND adaware on all my computers |
| 08:47.30 | Overand | and then i lamely tried to write that off |
| 08:47.40 | Phated | DarkPainter: Again, could just install Linux. |
| 08:47.42 | Overand | DarkPainter: you're not a security freak until none of your boxes run windows at all =] |
| 08:47.46 | Overand | heh |
| 08:47.47 | Overand | in fact |
| 08:47.53 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 08:47.58 | DarkPainter | so just because i have linux |
| 08:48.03 | drac | DarkPainter: You must be infected with all kinds of shit. |
| 08:48.03 | Overand | one *might* suggest, in a somewhat inflamitory way, that you run an os like a BSD |
| 08:48.04 | DarkPainter | i dont need antivirus |
| 08:48.06 | mousex | Overand: there are as many exploits in Linux as there are in window$ |
| 08:48.07 | Phated | Overand: Hint, she's not the only girl. |
| 08:48.16 | Overand | mousex: oh there are loads of exploits |
| 08:48.19 | Overand | i'm aware |
| 08:48.22 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite DarkPainter |
| 08:48.23 | DarkPainter | lol phated?? |
| 08:48.27 | DarkPainter | ..... |
| 08:48.30 | Overand | there are kernel root exploits like, what, every week? |
| 08:48.47 | Phated | Overand: Which get patched, don't they? Unlike 'dows. :) |
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| 08:48.50 | Overand | Phated: i'm sure she's not the only girl. |
| 08:48.53 | scarynetworkguy | Overand: Don't troll. |
| 08:48.56 | Phated | Well... One hopes they get patched. |
| 08:48.58 | mousex | Overand: so what makes your typical debian install safer? |
| 08:49.01 | Overand | I'm not trolling. |
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| 08:49.14 | Overand | I'm just saying that most networked software is insecure. |
| 08:49.18 | guru | Phated: thank you, worked perfectly :) |
| 08:49.19 | DarkPainter | anyways... so you guys are telling me i dont need any antivirus or internet security... because i run linux? |
| 08:49.31 | Overand | The only *really* secure way to have your system is to unplug it from the network and disable local access |
| 08:49.38 | Overand | If nobody can reach it, nobody can exploit it. |
| 08:49.38 | Phated | guru: What have we learnt today? That you don't need a GUI. |
| 08:49.54 | mousex | Overand: in fact, *all* software is insecure untill you prove otherwise and isolate your system |
| 08:49.57 | Overand | And *most* linux exploits require the exploiter to have an account on the machine. |
| 08:49.58 | mousex | like the CIA does |
| 08:49.59 | Phated | DarkPainter: No, we're not. I for one mentioned "apt-cache search firewall". |
| 08:50.07 | guru | DarkPainter: exactly. all you need to know are the three don'ts: 1) DON'T run as root. 2) DON'T give out your root password. 3) DON'T use a generic root password |
| 08:50.09 | DarkPainter | i was gonna do that.... |
| 08:50.14 | guru | Phated: agreed |
| 08:50.19 | Overand | The reason I mentioned BSD was only to point out the security0through0obscurity facet |
| 08:50.25 | DarkPainter | i mean the firewall search |
| 08:50.27 | mousex | Overand: most PHP, perl, and apache exploits don't require local accounts |
| 08:50.29 | scarynetworkguy | DarkPainter: Go google on iptables, and the various frontends, and spend a cycle or two thinking about viruses. |
| 08:50.34 | Phated | guru: Good man. Never ask the question "is there a GUI for it" again, all right? :) |
| 08:50.38 | Overand | more people are beating on the linux kernel on a daily basis than on the bsd kernels |
| 08:50.40 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:50.44 | DarkPainter | lol |
| 08:50.50 | Overand | mousex: god, like that heinous phpBB one that used google? that was pretty. |
| 08:50.52 | DarkPainter | ok im gonna go look at some stuff |
| 08:50.53 | guru | any nix based system can be secure...it's all up to the sysadmin |
| 08:50.54 | Phated | Oh drop the lol, there was nothing funny said. |
| 08:50.56 | DarkPainter | thanks you guys =) |
| 08:50.57 | scarynetworkguy | DarkPainter: And stop with the lols. Please. |
| 08:50.59 | mousex | DarkPainter: I think your firewall router whould be enough . . . |
| 08:51.00 | DarkPainter | thanks -so- much |
| 08:51.00 | Overand | guru: that's not entirely true |
| 08:51.02 | guru | Phated: i'm getting lazy in my old age ;) |
| 08:51.29 | guru | Overand: with the proper maintenance schedule (e.g., routine system updates) it is |
| 08:51.33 | Overand | guru: yif you're running certain software (like phpBB for example) and it happens to have a certain hole in it, having iptables set up right and the latest kernel won't fix it. |
| 08:51.34 | Phated | guru: You're more likely to develop arthritis from a mouse than the keyboard. Think of your fingers, please. |
| 08:51.38 | mousex | Overand: try phpBB like . . . everywhere! shoutboxes! |
| 08:51.40 | scarynetworkguy | mousex: That kind of attitued leads to networks with crunchy outsides and nice creamy insides. Not a good thing. |
| 08:51.49 | guru | Overand: i don't run such software :) |
| 08:51.51 | Phated | Mmm, crunchy. |
| 08:51.56 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 08:52.04 | mousex | scarynetworkguy: I see your point |
| 08:52.04 | Overand | guru: so patching can *help* |
| 08:52.09 | scarynetworkguy | Just like a good Currypuff. |
| 08:52.11 | guru | Overand: of course |
| 08:52.16 | Overand | You can have a *more secure* system. |
| 08:52.18 | Overand | But not a secure system. |
| 08:52.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: A good currypuff is never crunchy, but flaky. |
| 08:52.33 | guru | there's always a potential for a system to be exploted, but if you are on top of things then that risk is very minimal |
| 08:52.35 | Overand | But the hwole thing is down to pedantics at this point, and we're all on the same side so why are we even discussing this? |
| 08:52.36 | Phated | A crunchy currypuff would be damn odd. |
| 08:52.41 | guru | exploited even |
| 08:52.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: True. I'm wrong. |
| 08:52.56 | mousex | !currypuff |
| 08:53.00 | guru | Overand: just random friendly discussion :) |
| 08:53.02 | Overand | speaking of curry, I want to pour some curry on some nan |
| 08:53.10 | Overand | sigh, too bad it's FOUR IN THE MORNING here |
| 08:53.11 | guru | well this sucks... |
| 08:53.19 | guru | Error reading MENU VOB |
| 08:53.19 | guru | Mirror of Title set 2 failed |
| 08:53.19 | Phated | Oh, now what? |
| 08:53.34 | mousex | DarkPainter: how are you liking debian so far? |
| 08:53.37 | guru | Overand: almost 3am here |
| 08:53.52 | Overand | I'm all for security through obscurity. Run plan9! |
| 08:53.55 | Overand | haha |
| 08:54.06 | guru | Overand: in that case you must like mocrosoft ;) |
| 08:54.14 | guru | wow i can't type tonight |
| 08:54.19 | mousex | guru, Overand: 4am here . . . and still awake! |
| 08:54.19 | Overand | J00'LL NEVER GET REWT ON MY APPLE IIGS |
| 08:54.28 | Phated | Pffft. Security through obscurity. |
| 08:54.28 | Overand | my IIgs actually does have a TCP stack |
| 08:54.39 | h3ej | is there a command for query package dependence? seems dpkg can't. |
| 08:54.41 | Overand | i've yet to get a box for it to get a PPP link to, though |
| 08:54.47 | Phated | guru: apt-get install libdvdread3, libdvdnav2, libdvdcss2, and libdvdplay0. |
| 08:54.50 | Overand | last time i tried i was much more of a *nix noob than I am now. |
| 08:54.59 | Phated | h3ej: apt-cache show <package> |
| 08:55.01 | guru | Overand: i bet you 50 million dollars that you'll never get root access on my second backup server...it doesn't even have an NIC ;) |
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| 08:55.12 | Overand | heh |
| 08:55.14 | h3ej | Phated: thanks |
| 08:55.20 | Overand | piping data to it across 115200 serial? |
| 08:55.36 | DarkPainter | mousex i love it |
| 08:55.44 | mousex | guru: try a big magnetic field, and then you won't even need root ;) |
| 08:55.46 | DarkPainter | or atleast love gnome... whatever this thing is i like it |
| 08:55.58 | guru | Phated: already have libdvdread3 |
| 08:56.03 | mousex | DarkPainter: have you tried any games yet? |
| 08:56.04 | Overand | it's 4 am here and i'm still awake and i'm also AT WORK |
| 08:56.04 | Phated | Ew, gnome. |
| 08:56.09 | Overand | oh man |
| 08:56.09 | mousex | !amphetamine |
| 08:56.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amphetamine is damn better than doom . . . faster than captain comic . . . more eye-catchy than all tux 3Ds . . . it's amphetamine! The best game ever created for Linux! EXTRA, EXTRA! Amphetamine runs well on old systems! |
| 08:56.10 | Phated | guru: Well... install the rest? |
| 08:56.10 | scarynetworkguy | Icky. |
| 08:56.10 | gargle | anyone else getting errors from ftp.de.debian.org? My apt-get update doesn't work :( |
| 08:56.11 | Overand | <3 frozen bubble |
| 08:56.12 | DarkPainter | lol not yet mousex |
| 08:56.15 | guru | and it couldn't find libdvdnav2 |
| 08:56.26 | Overand | frozen bubble has to be one of the most polished-but-GPL games i've seen on linux |
| 08:56.26 | mousex | DarkPainter: you should . . . |
| 08:56.26 | Phated | libdvdnav4, actually. |
| 08:56.34 | DarkPainter | i'll look into it mousex lol |
| 08:56.36 | Phated | Overand: SuperTux. |
| 08:56.39 | Overand | DarkPainter: apt-get install frozen-bubble |
| 08:56.45 | mousex | Yeah, supertux rocks! |
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| 08:56.50 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmmmmm, SuperTux. |
| 08:56.51 | Overand | or is there no hyphen there |
| 08:56.52 | Overand | i forget |
| 08:56.54 | guru | now that worked :) |
| 08:56.56 | Phated | Hyphen. |
| 08:56.59 | DarkPainter | lol overand, nice |
| 08:57.00 | guru | thanks again |
| 08:57.09 | Overand | also one thing i like about frozen bubble is THE DAMNED PENGUIN THEME IS TONED DOWN |
| 08:57.10 | mousex | Overand: you sound like a damn ads bot: apt-get install frozen-bubble . . . now |
| 08:57.19 | guru | supertux is ok, but frozen-bubble is better ;) |
| 08:57.20 | Sysdrum | phated: it wont let me mount my floppy drive? |
| 08:57.29 | Overand | mousex: you saying i'm not an ad bot? |
| 08:57.35 | chimaera | gargle: ack, had to change my sources.list. |
| 08:57.47 | mousex | Overand: I'm saying for a bot, you announce cheaply |
| 08:57.49 | Phated | Sysdrum: Oh, really. |
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| 08:58.11 | Sysdrum | phated: the command is mount fd right? |
| 08:58.19 | guru | has anyone here seen resident evil apocalypse? |
| 08:58.22 | mousex | mount /floppy |
| 08:58.22 | scarynetworkguy | Sysdrum: man mount |
| 08:58.28 | PhUrl | hi all, is there a real need for me to have bug buddy installed to have gnome? |
| 08:58.30 | Phated | Sysdrum: Not really, no. Let's see... mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy. |
| 08:58.31 | guru | if not, i highly recommend it |
| 08:58.38 | db123 | h |
| 08:58.46 | PhUrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.46 | Phated | guru: Only if it runs in Linux natively. |
| 08:58.49 | DarkPainter | what the hell is bug buddy lol |
| 08:58.52 | mousex | PhUrl: no |
| 08:58.54 | guru | Phated: i had no problem with it |
| 08:58.56 | scarynetworkguy | Assuming that /floppy is the mountpoint you want to use. |
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| 08:59.01 | guru | xine played it perfectly |
| 08:59.03 | PhUrl | it is just a waster of bits |
| 08:59.06 | mousex | !bugbuddy |
| 08:59.17 | Phated | guru: Oh, pfft, I thought it was a game. |
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| 08:59.22 | mousex | DarkPainter: bug buddy is a bug reporting program |
| 08:59.28 | guru | Phated: heh i wish |
| 08:59.29 | DarkPainter | ooooooooooooooooooo |
| 08:59.35 | guru | give it time...it most likely will be |
| 08:59.36 | Phated | PhUrl: You're installing gnome, don't see what you have to say about wastage of bits. |
| 08:59.46 | Phated | guru: Resident Evil is already a game, no? |
| 08:59.48 | DarkPainter | lmao |
| 08:59.53 | DarkPainter | yes it is phated |
| 08:59.54 | PhUrl | well, i was happy with xfe4 |
| 08:59.54 | guru | Phated: yep, then it became a movie |
| 08:59.59 | mousex | PhUrl: gnome-core is a virtual package, isn't it? |
| 09:00.03 | Phated | Besides... UT2K$ pwns j00. |
| 09:00.05 | mousex | PhUrl: try gnome-desktop |
| 09:00.07 | PhUrl | hmm, maybe |
| 09:00.08 | PhUrl | thanks |
| 09:00.10 | Phated | Er, 2K4. |
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| 09:00.14 | scarynetworkguy | Yes it does. |
| 09:00.20 | DarkPainter | i own resident evil: code veronic for the PS2 and i own the box collectors edition for resident evil the movies |
| 09:00.28 | PhUrl | mousex: thanks |
| 09:00.30 | scarynetworkguy | Well any version of UT truth be told. |
| 09:00.31 | DarkPainter | anyone wants to know about RE, you come to -me- lol |
| 09:00.35 | mousex | PhUrl: sure |
| 09:00.35 | guru | it wasn't too good of a game though...i hated the controls and the way the game played |
| 09:00.46 | mousex | ER, or RE |
| 09:00.46 | DarkPainter | it was a GREAT game! |
| 09:00.46 | Sysdrum | phated: it gave me the same error fdc busy error floppy unexpected interupt. |
| 09:00.47 | Phated | <Gamer Chick Alert> Gentlemen, start your erections. </Gamer Chick Alert> |
| 09:00.48 | DarkPainter | go die!! |
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| 09:01.04 | guru | DarkPainter: the controls were too "clunky" |
| 09:01.06 | Phated | Sysdrum: What's fdc, then? |
| 09:01.08 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:01.10 | mousex | DarkPainter: ftw is RE? |
| 09:01.20 | DarkPainter | guru your high! that was the most awesome game ive ever played! |
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| 09:01.25 | DarkPainter | and the movie was kickass |
| 09:01.27 | mousex | Phated: lol |
| 09:01.29 | DarkPainter | and the second one was even better! |
| 09:01.40 | guru | DarkPainter: yes it was a great game, but the controls were very clunky |
| 09:01.41 | NetZwerg | re |
| 09:01.41 | Phated | DarkPainter: Runs in Linux without rubbish like Cedega? |
| 09:01.44 | guru | and i don't do drugs |
| 09:01.55 | DarkPainter | what phated? |
| 09:01.55 | guru | only nicotine and caffinne |
| 09:02.02 | Phated | DarkPainter: NM. |
| 09:02.11 | mousex | guru: how can we be sure of that . . . |
| 09:02.12 | guru | Phated: bah, same error |
| 09:02.14 | PhUrl | well, these gnome pacakges are such a mess of things |
| 09:02.15 | DarkPainter | nicotine is a drug gurur |
| 09:02.16 | DarkPainter | ... |
| 09:02.23 | Phated | guru: What now? |
| 09:02.32 | guru | Error reading MENU VOB |
| 09:02.33 | guru | Mirror of Title set 2 failed |
| 09:02.39 | DarkPainter | +i |
| 09:02.40 | Sysdrum | phated: have no clue |
| 09:02.53 | Phated | Caffeine is also arguably a drug. |
| 09:03.06 | Phated | Sysdrum: So why're you trying to mount it? |
| 09:03.16 | PhUrl | caffeine is a drug |
| 09:03.17 | scarynetworkguy | Caffeine *is* a drug. |
| 09:03.26 | scarynetworkguy | Says the caffeine junkie. |
| 09:03.33 | PhUrl | and sugar, in some ways is also a drug |
| 09:03.38 | Phated | Yeah, the way you people use it, you'd think it was fucking -air-. |
| 09:03.42 | HawkHunter | anyone here installed linux on a compaq proliant server? /msg me plz |
| 09:03.44 | scarynetworkguy | PhUrl: No sugar is not a drug. |
| 09:03.46 | mousex | PhUrl: is everything a drug for you? |
| 09:03.46 | guru | is there any way to do a direct binary copy of a dvd (kinda like you would do with a floppy)? |
| 09:03.56 | Phated | guru: dd? :) |
| 09:03.57 | PhUrl | in some ways, i said |
| 09:04.03 | guru | e.g., dd if=/dev/dvd of=foo |
| 09:04.04 | mousex | guru: ISO images? |
| 09:04.06 | PhUrl | becuase it makes addictive |
| 09:04.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Some of us can hold our breath for 5 minutes. |
| 09:04.12 | PhUrl | and you have withdrawl |
| 09:04.16 | Sysdrum | phated: /floppy2 |
| 09:04.22 | PhUrl | and you need more and more... |
| 09:04.22 | guru | mousex: no clue how...i keep getting that read error and i think it's due to some type of protection |
| 09:04.25 | Phated | Sysdrum: What? |
| 09:04.36 | Phated | Sugar isn't actually addictive. |
| 09:04.41 | scarynetworkguy | PhUrl: No it is not a drug. Words have meanings and the meaning for the word "drug" in no way shape or form tracks to the word sugar. |
| 09:04.57 | mousex | guru: could it be a dirty dvd instead? |
| 09:04.58 | Phated | Yeah listen to the linguistics grad. |
| 09:05.02 | PhUrl | i said --and sugar, in some ways is also a drug |
| 09:05.19 | guru | i bould re: apocolypse at a pawn shop here in town and there's a scratch on the outer edge...movie played perfectly fine but i'd like to make a copy of it just to be on the safe side |
| 09:05.23 | PhUrl | in some ways, i mean, in some respects, it is like a drug |
| 09:05.34 | scarynetworkguy | PhUrl: Look up the defination for the word drug and tell me in what possible way sugar maps to that word. |
| 09:05.37 | PhUrl | you should see a sugar junkie in withdrawl |
| 09:05.49 | Phated | In -what- ways? It's not addictive, it doesn't alter your body's responses, it doesn't kill you if you take too much. Diabetes notwithstanding. |
| 09:06.11 | guru | too much caffinne can kill you just like any other drug |
| 09:06.12 | PhUrl | but it is addictive... is it not? |
| 09:06.22 | mousex | wikipedia: A drug is any substance that can be used to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, or modify a chemical process or processes in the body. |
| 09:06.22 | Phated | How is sugar addictive, at all? |
| 09:06.23 | scarynetworkguy | PhUrl: No it is not. |
| 09:06.30 | Sysdrum | phated: nevermind i got it |
| 09:06.33 | cahoot | PhUrl: too much water would kill you too |
| 09:06.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Don't play with me. I know the biological definition of a drug. |
| 09:06.43 | guru | ok bed time...i can make a backup tomorrow :) |
| 09:06.59 | broke | mousex : thank you, I got it to work.. I forgot all about irc when I went into X |
| 09:07.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'm not playing with you. |
| 09:07.03 | mousex | Phated: how is a drug biological? isn't it chemical? |
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| 09:07.11 | PhUrl | ok, so, sugar does not modify a chemical process in the body? |
| 09:07.13 | mousex | broke: :) |
| 09:07.21 | PhUrl | i think it does, i am not saying it is a drug |
| 09:07.26 | mousex | PhUrl: you break sugars |
| 09:07.26 | Phated | mousex: "biological" because it was in "Pure Biology" that we learnt about drugs. |
| 09:07.36 | mousex | Phate: . . . |
| 09:07.39 | Phated | That's like DIGESTION. |
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| 09:07.46 | Phated | You could call FOOD a drug in that case. |
| 09:07.47 | broke | what's the lightest(but still good) gui to use ? I have only 128mb of memory on this machine |
| 09:07.52 | guru | Phated: think i should try ignoring read errors? |
| 09:07.57 | Phated | broke: Fluxbox, oprnbox. |
| 09:08.07 | Guerin | ah, real osen are so good |
| 09:08.07 | PhUrl | just want to note that one of my flatmates is a real sugar addict, ok, you can be addicted to irc |
| 09:08.10 | Guerin | andf windows is so shit |
| 09:08.10 | PhUrl | and that is not a drug |
| 09:08.15 | mousex | broke: fluxbox, fvwm |
| 09:08.19 | PhUrl | fine, it take it back. |
| 09:08.19 | Phated | guru: If the thing plays. I get a million errors whenever I play a DVD. |
| 09:08.27 | mousex | broke: xfce4 + roxen |
| 09:08.38 | guru | Phated: ouch |
| 09:08.38 | Phated | Guerin: You late, mon. |
| 09:08.48 | Guerin | Phated: why? |
| 09:08.50 | broke | thanks guys.. what's the shortcut key for getting back into x ? |
| 09:08.50 | PhUrl | sugar is not like a drug, but it can be addictive like irc chatting |
| 09:09.05 | mousex | broke: Alt + Ctrl + F7 |
| 09:09.06 | Phated | guru: But it plays. I'm watching The Empire Strikes Back as we speak, with an error roughly every twenty seconds. |
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| 09:09.17 | Phated | Guerin: We went through the whole Windows rubbish a bit back. :) |
| 09:09.18 | broke | mousex: thanks again, you helped me alot :) |
| 09:09.18 | Guerin | PhUrl: addiction is very specifically defined, you realise. I doubt either irc or sugar could be called addictive. |
| 09:09.23 | mousex | broke: yup |
| 09:09.52 | Guerin | Phated: oh, I just had to install windows on one box, and swap my drives and shit out into another one |
| 09:09.53 | ado | hm |
| 09:10.18 | mousex | PhUrl: addiction doesn't have to be triggered by chemical or biochemical processes. It can be purely psychological |
| 09:10.20 | Phated | Guerin: Eeew. |
| 09:10.20 | scarynetworkguy | !comfort Guerin |
| 09:10.21 | dpkg | There, there, Guerin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:10.28 | Guerin | put an existing debian install in the new machine with a different mobo, sound card, cpu, etc, and it all works perfectly, first time. |
| 09:10.36 | Phated | Hee. |
| 09:10.39 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 09:10.43 | Guerin | I tried that on win2k once and had to reinstall |
| 09:10.57 | PhUrl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction This suggests that some common food substances, especially chocolate, caffeine, and sugar, may have the potential for addiction. |
| 09:11.10 | scarynetworkguy | Oh yeah. win2k will sometime choke if you just swap out the proc with a new one of the same model. :/ |
| 09:11.10 | guru | Guerin: same thing happened to me with windows xp once |
| 09:11.31 | Phated | guru: Windows XP doesn't enter in a discussion about OSen. |
| 09:11.36 | PhUrl | ""However, researchers, doctors, and popular literature discuss many addictions, including those to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gambling, food, and even sex, pornography, computers and work"" |
| 09:11.36 | mousex | nighty night |
| 09:11.37 | Guerin | i do have a routing problem, but I'm too vague to sort it out... I've drunk about my body weight in booze over the past 72 hours |
| 09:11.40 | Phated | It's not even a bad one. |
| 09:11.50 | Phated | Guerin: Not bad. |
| 09:11.59 | scarynetworkguy | A discussion about viruses maybe. But never OSen. |
| 09:12.06 | Phated | Or bugs. |
| 09:12.09 | Guerin | PhUrl: hrm, interesting. |
| 09:12.14 | PhUrl | irc addiction, i mean as a specfic form of net addiction or computer addiction |
| 09:12.15 | scarynetworkguy | Big ugly bugs. |
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| 09:12.16 | guru | Phated: i think windows xp is actually quite decent compared to the other previous versions |
| 09:12.20 | mousex | PhUrl: alcoholism is also viewed by many as a diasase |
| 09:12.22 | guru | not my style, but not a bad os |
| 09:12.25 | mousex | ... |
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| 09:12.33 | Guerin | guru: 2k is still the west of the windozen |
| 09:12.38 | mousex | !bye |
| 09:12.38 | Guerin | s/west/best/ |
| 09:12.38 | dpkg | Cya, mousex |
| 09:12.52 | Phated | Guerin: *sough* *gag* *puke* Windows 2K or ME, thank you. |
| 09:12.58 | Phated | Er, guru. |
| 09:12.59 | booyaa | Guerin, yep we swapped out a mobo ona 2k machine |
| 09:13.00 | guru | ok, i'm really going to bed this time. night everyone |
| 09:13.00 | Phated | Sorry Guerin. |
| 09:13.01 | booyaa | instant bsd |
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| 09:13.07 | PhUrl | Are You Addicted to IRC? http://www.gagirl.com/quiz/addict.html |
| 09:13.16 | Guerin | booyaa: yeah. I got it to boot, but it crashed like a bastard |
| 09:13.26 | guru | PhUrl: the fact that you have to post a link like that confirms that you are ;) |
| 09:13.33 | Phated | Don't you hate ut when windows plays with your heart like that? |
| 09:13.38 | Guerin | PhUrl: wow, internet quizzes, that pinnacle of modern research. |
| 09:13.46 | booyaa | Guerin, we did too, theres a few tricks but for a 'professional' level product it's funny |
| 09:13.48 | guru | ok, detaching from my screen session so i stop reading my irc buffer |
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| 09:14.15 | PhUrl | i know. guru. Guerin, i am looking for the link i found the other day |
| 09:14.30 | Guerin | now I have to go out for raw fish with my bosses, and my wife's bosses |
| 09:14.43 | Guerin | and unfortunately I'm still rather drunk |
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| 09:14.55 | Guerin | hrm, perhaps that should be s/un// |
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| 09:15.12 | RolandU | Hi all! I use sarge, installed sane, scanimage, xscanimage. root is able to scan. I changed the group for /dev/sg2 to "scanner". I added my own user to group "scanner". Still, only root is able to scan. My user doesn't find any scanners connected. What's wrong? |
| 09:15.22 | TML | RolandU: Did you restart your login session after adding yourself to the "scanner" group? |
| 09:15.23 | Phated | Logged in and out? :) |
| 09:15.37 | RolandU | TML: do I have to? |
| 09:15.38 | Guerin | RolandU: did you logout and back in again to update group membership? |
| 09:15.39 | TML | Yes |
| 09:15.45 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Sucks to be you buddy. |
| 09:15.46 | Guerin | ah |
| 09:15.46 | RolandU | ok |
| 09:15.50 | Guerin | groupthink. |
| 09:15.50 | TML | As all of the questiosn would indicate |
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| 09:15.54 | RolandU | that might be the answer |
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| 09:16.26 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, but only four more sleeps to go |
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| 09:16.43 | Guerin | I've been out for dinner the past four nights, and tonight and tomorrow will make six |
| 09:16.50 | RolandU | ok, let's relogin |
| 09:16.52 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Coolness. |
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| 09:16.58 | Phated | Guerin: Sweet. |
| 09:16.59 | Guerin | then we might have one night off, then more dinners |
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| 09:17.12 | Pumpkin_Pie | TML: remember me? |
| 09:17.18 | Guerin | Phated: tbph, I LIKE cooking, so it's nod ideal. |
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| 09:17.37 | Phated | Guerin: Hmmmm, right... But dinner out is always fun. :) |
| 09:17.39 | DarkPainter | i LOVE pumpkin pie!!! |
| 09:17.43 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:17.48 | DarkPainter | *eats pumpkin_pie* |
| 09:17.58 | Phated | Guerin: And heck, you don't have to do the dishes, eh. :) |
| 09:18.05 | Guerin | hell yeah, pumpkin pie is the shit |
| 09:18.10 | Guerin | Phated: true that |
| 09:18.16 | scarynetworkguy | Not having to do dishes rules. |
| 09:18.23 | Phated | Hm, pumpkin pie. Someone still needs to send me some. |
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| 09:19.09 | RolandU | thanks! that worked. |
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| 09:19.42 | Guerin | RolandU: it's good that you changed the group, rather than just making that device 777 like most people do |
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| 09:20.16 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:20.26 | RolandU | Guerin, I learned some things in the past 2 years |
| 09:20.27 | PhUrl | http://www.planetpsych.com/zPsychology_101/cyber_addiction.htm 9. You get a tattoo that reads "This body best viewed with firefox 1.0" |
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| 09:20.44 | _joey | off topic question, does anyone know a program to organize titles/subject/author for a collection of books/docs.This information is to be stored in db. |
| 09:20.44 | RolandU | I learned that 0777 is evil. |
| 09:20.46 | booyaa | RolandU, haha :) |
| 09:20.48 | booyaa | yeah ditto |
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| 09:20.56 | Phated | Pffft. Not till you get "+" appended to that tattoo. |
| 09:21.02 | MobyTurbo | the best is 1777 ;-) |
| 09:21.06 | racoontje | is there a pretty gnome frontend to xine |
| 09:21.07 | RolandU | on the other hand, 777-300LR is beautiful |
| 09:21.08 | racoontje | ehhh |
| 09:21.09 | racoontje | mplayer |
| 09:21.10 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 09:21.11 | Phated | _joey: gnumeric? :) |
| 09:21.18 | Guerin | racoontje: gmplayer |
| 09:21.33 | RolandU | did put yet another gimp into sarge? |
| 09:21.35 | racoontje | ok thx |
| 09:21.36 | Guerin | racoontje: it's in marillat's packages |
| 09:21.40 | MobyTurbo | racoontje: for xine there's totem-xine |
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| 09:22.16 | racoontje | Both are in Ubuntu... I'm just querying about which I should use because people seem to know more about the technical merits of one vs the other here ;-) |
| 09:22.36 | scarynetworkguy | racoontje: #ubuntu |
| 09:22.45 | racoontje | scarynetworkguy, read that sentence again |
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| 09:22.59 | _joey | Phated there are devloped applications just for this purpose, you know |
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| 09:23.14 | _joey | haven' tyo useen customed built application in public libraries and universities? |
| 09:23.14 | booyaa | racoontje, wellif you use totem, it inherits the sking of gnome so it nicely fits in maybe? |
| 09:23.14 | scarynetworkguy | racoontje: Yeah. I read it the first time. The answer is the same. |
| 09:23.17 | Phated | _joey: And yet, gnumeric works. |
| 09:23.36 | _joey | I've heard there' re open source project i just want some to comment who know it a bit about it |
| 09:23.37 | scarynetworkguy | Rather well for people who aren't cursed. |
| 09:23.45 | _joey | Phated go away |
| 09:23.59 | Phated | I forgot he was a tard. My bad. |
| 09:24.07 | racoontje | scarynetworkguy, just because I can use my default repo and you have to use marillat doesn't mean that the program isn't availible from multiple sources |
| 09:24.19 | _joey | Phated yo uhave a problem? |
| 09:24.22 | racoontje | a rather large amount of #debian people probably use ubuntu repos for xorg anyway |
| 09:24.25 | _joey | look at yourself you stupid idiot |
| 09:24.33 | vulture | _joey: settle down |
| 09:24.42 | _joey | vulture I didn't start it |
| 09:24.52 | vulture | _joey: that's irrelevent |
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| 09:24.55 | racoontje | so, be more mature than the other guy and stop it |
| 09:24.56 | scarynetworkguy | racoontje: I've never used marillat in my life. |
| 09:25.03 | _joey | oki doki:) |
| 09:25.06 | Phated | vulture: I beg to differ. He -did- start it. |
| 09:25.06 | racoontje | awww, good for you |
| 09:25.12 | racoontje | aawarrgh |
| 09:25.13 | racoontje | both of you |
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| 09:25.14 | vulture | Phated: also irrelevent |
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| 09:26.03 | racoontje | totem doesn't play nice with mplayer right? |
| 09:26.08 | racoontje | (ie it has no plugins) |
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| 09:28.04 | _joey | Phated next I ask anything here do not qupte my comments, all right? |
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| 09:29.08 | cy_ | yo |
| 09:29.18 | cy_ | where can i find `ftpasswd` ? |
| 09:29.20 | cy_ | :p |
| 09:29.42 | _joey | gnumeric gnome spreadshee specialised application to orignise personal book collection :)) |
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| 09:30.14 | _joey | Phated must be a funny person |
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| 09:31.58 | TML | cy_: "ftpasswd"? |
| 09:32.28 | scarynetworkguy | !tell RedPenguin about away |
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| 09:32.44 | RedPenguin | I know....... |
| 09:32.50 | scarynetworkguy | RedPenguin: So don't do it. |
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| 09:33.13 | RedPenguin | Dang, like every channel is complaining |
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| 09:33.24 | TML | RedPenguin: That should be a clue |
| 09:33.30 | RedPenguin | Well not everyone, just #Debian and #Gentoo |
| 09:34.05 | TML | Yes, that's so close to "every channel" that they are virtually indistinguishable. I can see how you made that typo. |
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| 09:34.20 | TML | :{ |
| 09:34.23 | TML | :P, even |
| 09:34.27 | RedPenguin | I made the channels that I was in |
| 09:34.32 | RedPenguin | Not all the channels on the network |
| 09:34.54 | NetZwerg | yeah but what for |
| 09:35.21 | NetZwerg | if people really want to ask u something they will message, should be enough if they get your away there |
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| 09:39.02 | zignig | what device would a firewire dvd writer appear as ? |
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| 09:39.44 | NetZwerg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.37 | scarynetworkguy | zignig: That is of course the correct answer for ~%90 of the questions we get in here. |
| 09:43.19 | aokaze | I have a USB camera labled IBMCAM on /dev/video0 how would I take a picture or see realtime from the camera? |
| 09:43.20 | slackd00d | heh |
| 09:43.20 | zignig | scarynetworkguy: true ;) |
| 09:43.31 | aokaze | if I directly cat from the device the light turns on but when I run like vlc on it the light doesnt turn on |
| 09:43.56 | slackd00d | use the app "google"? |
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| 09:44.04 | HawkHunter | lol |
| 09:44.11 | slackd00d | im just joking of course |
| 09:44.14 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 09:44.18 | aokaze | I also get the problem of [00000236] v4l demuxer error: chroma selection failed |
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| 09:44.25 | jm_ | Hi. The debian X server sucks major ass. Do any of you know of any good alternate X server packages for debian? |
| 09:44.38 | slackd00d | why is that? it works great for me |
| 09:44.52 | aokaze | I have sane installed too |
| 09:44.53 | jm_ | having major problems with 3d games that i didn't have with slackware. |
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| 09:45.35 | slackd00d | whats the problem? |
| 09:45.38 | zignig | aokaze: gqcam worked for me |
| 09:45.40 | jm_ | there's a slight possibility that it's a kernel issue, but i'm tending to doubt that. |
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| 09:46.01 | jm_ | slackd00d: lockups. sometimes they're temporary, sometimes they're permanent and i have to reboot.. |
| 09:46.21 | HawkHunter | anyone here installed linux on a compaq proliant 7000 server? /msg me plz |
| 09:46.22 | slackd00d | thats weird, it always works for me |
| 09:46.32 | jm_ | anyway, you're not answering my question :-) |
| 09:46.40 | jm_ | know of any alternate sources for debian X servers or not? |
| 09:46.51 | scarynetworkguy | !tell HawkHunter about ask |
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| 09:47.21 | aokaze | oh another question: has anyone had any problems with pcilynx on debian sarge? |
| 09:47.40 | slackd00d | well nevermind then, i was tryn to get info to help |
| 09:47.46 | slackd00d | but if you wanna be rude, never mind |
| 09:48.07 | scyrma | I'm trying to get te linux-wlan drivers to work on 2.6.10 .. but I get a "Module wlan0 not found." I know this is experimental, I looked on google and there is an alias for wlan0 in modules.conf .. any ideas? |
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| 09:48.34 | cosmism | when i do this # modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
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| 09:48.35 | cosmism | Setting up ALSA...amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: No such file or directory |
| 09:48.35 | cosmism | amixer: Mixer attach hw:0 error: No such file or directory |
| 09:48.44 | cosmism | any idea? |
| 09:48.46 | NetZwerg | jm_ what do you understand by alternate X server for debian? |
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| 09:49.25 | NetZwerg | cosmism you got alsa-modules for your card running in your kernel? |
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| 09:50.04 | cosmism | NetZwerg, yes, it used to be ok. but after i installed udev, it got broken |
| 09:50.44 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 09:50.46 | HawkHunter | scarynetworkguy - my question is quite informative and not directed to anyone - especially if you have installed linux/gnu on a proliant 7000... |
| 09:50.57 | NetZwerg | your udev killed the device |
| 09:51.10 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: And you didn't ask it. |
| 09:51.15 | NetZwerg | thier is a script somewhere in the alsadirectory to create the devices |
| 09:51.17 | cosmism | NetZwerg, now, i've turned udev off |
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| 09:51.39 | MrKrystal | is it possible to use a connexion internet (with all ports) anonymously, so that the administrator cannot see anything ? |
| 09:51.44 | NetZwerg | at least in the package alsa-source it is |
| 09:51.44 | cosmism | NetZwerg, after udev turned off, i got that error pasted above |
| 09:51.48 | HawkHunter | i did - if a person has done it - they know about the pci bus detection problem.. and they would be able to help me work around it |
| 09:52.29 | MrKrystal | with vpn brokers or i don't know what else ? |
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| 09:52.58 | NetZwerg | cosmism still your soundcard device for alsa is missing so create it |
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| 09:53.26 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: I just did a last log on you. At 0146 PST you took a poll and asked for a msg you did the same thing at 0148. You never said anything about a PCI bus detection problem. |
| 09:54.27 | scarynetworkguy | 0106, my bad. |
| 09:54.30 | HawkHunter | im not trying to start an argument here - all proliant 7000 servers have this very same problem - so i said it - but just not that directly |
| 09:54.43 | aokaze | zignig: thanks. its working. I just wish I could get vlc to work |
| 09:55.15 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: Then go read the factiod about ask again and understand that yoiu *should* have asked it directly. |
| 09:55.49 | HawkHunter | fair enough |
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| 09:56.21 | zignig | aokaze: broadcast onto the net from the cam ? |
| 09:58.14 | HawkHunter | has anyone successfully gotten around the incorrectly detected PCI BUS on compaq proliant 7000 servers when installing any linux/gnu distro? |
| 09:58.18 | HawkHunter | is that better? |
| 09:59.14 | aokaze | broadcast onto ethernet but yah basicly same thing I am going for |
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| 10:01.42 | zignig | aokaze: it fou are running sarge have a look at camstream |
| 10:02.08 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: That's a start. Better would be a detailed description of what the installer is doing. To include any errors it is throwing and what you have tried to resolve it. |
| 10:02.44 | aokaze | I would perfer to get the cam working on VLC though |
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| 10:03.40 | aokaze | but vlc goes on this error on pvr: [00000000] main root error: option pvr-caching does not exist |
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| 10:07.04 | HawkHunter | okay well - i cant access my SCSI drive - to install on it - theres a .rpm patch for it - but the floppy is also accessed through the pci bus - the general error is "no partition found" - floppy access causes complete freeze (requires cold boot) - tried running knoppix - wont detect the pci bus - so it wont display the SCSI - i dl'd and ran the rpm/patch under knoppix - but i cant change any files on the CD (obviously) - basically very |
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| 10:11.45 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: Very good. |
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| 10:12.04 | HawkHunter | =) |
| 10:13.08 | LiquidGUI | anybody stalling at 99% when it connects to ftp.de.debian.org when you apt-get update? |
| 10:13.57 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: What installer? |
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| 10:14.48 | coywolf` | udev+alsa sucks |
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| 10:15.28 | HawkHunter | mandrake 10 this time around- redhat/slackware wont install either i assume for the same reason - its been 5 months or so since i tried those other ones - this has been an ongoing project/hobby |
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| 10:16.09 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: Debian? |
| 10:16.40 | HawkHunter | someone suggested i try this channel for help - |
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| 10:16.56 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: If you are not using Debian that person was wrong. |
| 10:17.19 | MobyTurbo | HawkHunter: #debian is not a general Linux channel, try ##linux for that or #mydistribution |
| 10:17.24 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: Having said that you might give d-i a spin. It is pretty slick. IMO you should use expert mode. |
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| 10:18.15 | LiquidGUI | I googled and had no luck, what is the command to switch KDE to Gnome? |
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| 10:18.35 | HawkHunter | can you recommend a reliable dl source? - steer me the right direction? |
| 10:18.53 | bonez39 | how do I start postgresql? I installed it, I think when I apt-get installed sql-ledger...but it does not appear that postgresql is running |
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| 10:19.03 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:19.39 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: And now that you, kind of, know how to ask smart questions please come back with Debian ones next time. |
| 10:20.11 | valentinos | LiquidGUI, why not use gdm and select at login what to use ? |
| 10:20.45 | LiquidGUI | Will do |
| 10:20.53 | LiquidGUI | Sorry this is my first day as a debian user |
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| 10:24.52 | HawkHunter | which one do i dl for a quad PII 200/33 SCSI only system? |
| 10:25.11 | NetZwerg | potato |
| 10:25.12 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 10:25.18 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: x86 |
| 10:25.24 | NetZwerg | or Debian Bo *hide* |
| 10:25.24 | HawkHunter | k |
| 10:25.50 | HawkHunter | that would be i386 then? |
| 10:25.51 | scarynetworkguy | !k |
| 10:25.51 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 10:25.57 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: Yes. |
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| 10:26.29 | HawkHunter | 7 is the most current? |
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| 10:27.17 | NetZwerg | g2g |
| 10:27.19 | NetZwerg | cu later |
| 10:27.19 | kekostar | hello |
| 10:27.43 | cat | hello kekostar |
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| 10:28.02 | kekostar | how i can unzip zip file.. i have one file in mydebian i just cant uzip it... what command i have to use |
| 10:28.24 | kenji | unzip |
| 10:28.29 | cat | kekostar: unzip file.zip |
| 10:28.45 | kekostar | cat i try that.. it didnt open that |
| 10:28.57 | kekostar | ahaa |
| 10:29.15 | kekostar | do i have to isntall unzip also :D |
| 10:29.24 | kekostar | second i test |
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| 10:30.01 | dan_t | hello |
| 10:30.10 | dan_t | anyone using libboost here ? |
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| 10:30.42 | dan_t | the dev package looks broken to me. it lacks /ust/include/boost/config.hpp file |
| 10:31.33 | simonrvn | dan_t: here is not the place to report bugs. use reportbug |
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| 10:35.27 | HawkHunter | scarynetworkguy: thanks btw |
| 10:36.00 | scarynetworkguy | HawkHunter: NP. Good luck. |
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| 10:44.38 | aokaze | does anyone know what I should set for chmod on /dev/video so that I can use applications that use it on another user other then root? |
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| 10:45.43 | Nolius | hello |
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| 10:47.19 | nkuttler | aokaze: /dev/video? never hear about that... chgrp audio and add the user to that group? and chmod g+rw? |
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| 10:48.04 | joerg | hi... |
| 10:48.10 | Nolius | I have write a small program in C# using mono and I want to add it into the debian distribution, how can I do? |
| 10:48.20 | nkuttler | aokaze: s/audio/video/ |
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| 10:48.23 | joerg | any idea why the Release.gpg of sarge is completely empty? |
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| 10:49.56 | Nolius | do you know how many software using mono are in debian? |
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| 10:50.28 | helloyo | right... "# su" isn't working... |
| 10:50.34 | El_Sinior_NoNo | i need some help with samba please |
| 10:50.54 | Zap-W | #samba |
| 10:51.00 | El_Sinior_NoNo | i have a computer that's can not connect to my server and i don't know why ?! |
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| 10:51.05 | El_Sinior_NoNo | oki |
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| 10:51.34 | Plork | hi, i was wondering if anyone could quickly tell me, does debian take it's module configurations from /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/.... ? |
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| 10:52.25 | nkuttler | helloyo: isn't working? |
| 10:52.37 | helloyo | nkuttler, "su: module not found" |
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| 10:53.25 | rhalff | hi how do I control the init process in debian ? there isn't an easy way is there ? |
| 10:53.39 | nkuttler | rhalff: man update-rc.d |
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| 10:53.51 | nkuttler | helloyo: odd. do you have /etc/pam.d/su ? |
| 10:53.54 | live | hello |
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| 10:54.11 | rhalff | why not use standard tools for this :) |
| 10:55.01 | live | im now testing withdebian on xbox |
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| 10:55.33 | amc1 | El_Sinior_NoNo: Can you see all your samba items with 'smbtree' ? |
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| 10:56.05 | Neozahikel | hello live, i read that you test debian on xbox ? do you know if we can do a wake on lan on xbox ? |
| 10:56.05 | maelcum | alsa package for sarge (sparc64) is broken... just for your info |
| 10:56.15 | dburr | Is it just me, or is packages.debian.org down? Does anyone know of any mirrors? |
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| 10:57.07 | thefly | maelcum: report to bugzilla |
| 10:57.21 | maelcum | will do |
| 10:57.26 | helloyo | nkuttler, sorry, ummm... it worked fine until just now |
| 10:57.37 | maelcum | messing with two days an |
| 10:57.46 | maelcum | d two soun |
| 10:57.57 | maelcum | uah these keys |
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| 10:58.41 | maelcum | i messed around with alsa and two soundcards for two days now :) |
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| 10:59.34 | Dav89^Awa | hello |
| 10:59.43 | jedd | i've set up a jigdo thingy to download the debian testing distro (two x DVD's) .. but because it creates a full iso image, i can't work out how to tell how far through the process it is - the file is 4.4GB .. and isn't sparse. is there a way of working out the percent completion or something? |
| 10:59.47 | Dav89^Awa | i've got a question. can i install kde with debian^?? |
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| 11:00.05 | nkuttler | Dav89^Awa: sure |
| 11:00.09 | scarynetworkguy | Dav89^Awa: Yes. |
| 11:00.15 | Dav89^Awa | how? |
| 11:00.18 | Dav89^Awa | apt-get install kde |
| 11:00.19 | Dav89^Awa | ? |
| 11:00.20 | nkuttler | Dav89^Awa: /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 11:00.50 | NetZwerg | jedd if the file will be 4.4 g in the end, why not check how big it is right now? |
| 11:01.17 | Dav89^Awa | i'm going to install debian for my first time.... |
| 11:01.29 | Dav89^Awa | how can i set-up my lan? |
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| 11:01.41 | Dav89^Awa | give the ip-address and gateway to the computer? |
| 11:01.43 | jedd | NetZwerg: no no .. i mean, it's 4.4gb right now. have you used jigdo before? what it seems to do is download a bunch of deb packages, say X megabytes, and then flush them into the .iso image it's making. it does that every 10-20 minutes on my 512k adsl. but the 4.4gb image doesn't change size. |
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| 11:01.50 | nkuttler | Dav89^Awa: man interfaces. |
| 11:01.55 | Gh0sty | Hello |
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| 11:02.09 | NetZwerg | if your lucky and your nic is supported during installation already, just enter option dhcp or configure manually. |
| 11:02.10 | nkuttler | Dav89^Awa: if you have dhcp just run dhclient or pump |
| 11:02.17 | hellfire | quit |
| 11:02.20 | Dav89^Awa | nkuttler how do it? |
| 11:02.26 | Dav89^Awa | no |
| 11:02.28 | Dav89^Awa | i have static ip |
| 11:02.39 | nkuttler | Dav89^Awa: do what? |
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| 11:02.48 | Dav89^Awa | set up my ln |
| 11:02.53 | jedd | NetZwerg: i thought i could use du -a with the apparent size thingy, but it's the same size .. the .iso.tmp file isn't sparse, as such, it's just very very empty .. i thought i could copy the image, and then loopback mount it .. but that's gonna be ugly (it'll be a broken image, i suspect) |
| 11:02.53 | Dav89^Awa | my lan* |
| 11:03.06 | NetZwerg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.07 | nkuttler | Dav89^Awa: man interfaces |
| 11:03.14 | Dav89^Awa | thanks |
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| 11:03.44 | NetZwerg | hm |
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| 11:04.16 | NetZwerg | then u may really have to wait |
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| 11:04.51 | jedd | NetZwerg: i hate waiting. :) |
| 11:05.04 | Dav89^Awa | i'm scared by try to install debian..... ^-^ |
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| 11:05.20 | jedd | NetZwerg: the only othe rthing is work out ~50kbps into 4GB .. and work out a rough timescale that way. but that's never very accurate, for any number of reasons. |
| 11:05.21 | NetZwerg | hrhr |
| 11:05.34 | NetZwerg | i right now wait for the update of WoW to be ready downloaded |
| 11:05.38 | NetZwerg | i too hate waiting ;D |
| 11:05.39 | jedd | Dav89^Awa: i would have thought anyone with a nick like that wouldn't be afraid of anything. |
| 11:05.46 | jedd | WoW? |
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| 11:05.57 | NetZwerg | Dav89^Awa, you have to think in another way, it could be worse, could be slackware |
| 11:06.07 | NetZwerg | World of Warcraft |
| 11:06.15 | jedd | Aha .. you need to tell apt about that. :) |
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| 11:06.55 | Dav89^Awa | slackware is too difficult and i have to compile again everything |
| 11:07.01 | NetZwerg | lol |
| 11:07.05 | Dav89^Awa | with debian i have only to do apt-get |
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| 11:07.43 | DerJamster | ./configure, make, make install. Usualyl not really difficult :P |
| 11:07.48 | NetZwerg | no, ur able to only do apt-get ;) (and apt-update and a...) |
| 11:08.04 | DerJamster | *snickers* |
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| 11:08.24 | NetZwerg | yeah, but pretty timeconsumpting |
| 11:08.35 | DerJamster | Tell that to a Gentoo user ;) |
| 11:08.53 | NetZwerg | eh NetZwerg gentoo is pretty time consumpting |
| 11:08.55 | NetZwerg | i know |
| 11:08.57 | NetZwerg | ;D |
| 11:09.11 | nkuttler | it's not that bad. do the emerge thing, go to sleep, done. |
| 11:09.26 | NetZwerg | yeah, if its one or 2 packages you want |
| 11:09.27 | DerJamster | *laughs* |
| 11:09.28 | NetZwerg | ;) |
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| 11:09.48 | NetZwerg | but if u find out on the next morning oh, i would need this package too, you got no time to sleep |
| 11:09.55 | NetZwerg | err, you got time to sleep again |
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| 11:10.59 | DerJamster | Which is why everybody should have quad-xeon boards with dual-cores and hyperthreading. ;P |
| 11:11.00 | valentinos | is there a deb package for mplayer? |
| 11:11.05 | nkuttler | NetZwerg: like what package? most are done in 10 minutes max. |
| 11:11.14 | nkuttler | valentinos: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:11.35 | derobert | Anyone know why apt is spewing out "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org testing Release: Unknown error executing gpgv"? |
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| 11:12.28 | valentinos | :< |
| 11:12.28 | brix` | hi |
| 11:13.33 | brix` | anybody expert in recording sound samples? i'm trying to do it with alsa and my sblive, but i can't let it work |
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| 11:15.04 | valentinos | i found 2 up to now problems for the average user 1. the mplayer 2. the mounting of sd-cards |
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| 11:15.18 | Maosn | Hey, i apt-get'd 2.6 kernel and when it boots it says Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(3.2) |
| 11:15.40 | Maosn | any ideas what i have done wrong? |
| 11:15.44 | scarynetworkguy | Maosn: Welcome to initrd hell. |
| 11:15.48 | deadcat | Maosn: did you make initrd? |
| 11:15.49 | derobert | Maosn: does it get past mouting the initrd? |
| 11:15.58 | scarynetworkguy | derobert: Clearly not. |
| 11:16.25 | scarynetworkguy | Maosn: You installed a kernel-image, right? |
| 11:16.25 | Maosn | Can't see it trying to mount initrd |
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| 11:16.25 | Maosn | scarynetworkguy: yeah |
| 11:16.35 | valentinos | ax an the appletallk should be removed it just take time to load and does not anything usefull . if anyone interested |
| 11:16.52 | derobert | Maosn: is your bootloader set to use an initrd? |
| 11:17.01 | scarynetworkguy | Maosn: Add a initrd line to your bootloader. And/or build a non-initrd kernel, with all the drivers etc thwt you need builtin of course. |
| 11:17.05 | Maosn | derobert: dont think so, how do i set it? |
| 11:17.13 | derobert | Maosn: lilo or grub? |
| 11:17.16 | Dav89^Awa | can i install debian on EXT3? |
| 11:17.17 | Maosn | lilo |
| 11:17.23 | juhov | dav89^awa: sure |
| 11:17.24 | derobert | Dav89^Awa: yes |
| 11:17.47 | derobert | Maosn: add an 'initrd=/initrd.img' line to the kernel stanza |
| 11:17.55 | derobert | Maosn: assuming you told it to create the symlinks |
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| 11:20.28 | derobert | wtf, http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release.gpg is empty. |
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| 11:21.22 | sista_jah | plop |
| 11:21.36 | Overand | some app changed my rez in x, how do i change it while x is running? |
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| 11:22.05 | JeaLouS | guys where i can find debian's dvd |
| 11:22.06 | JeaLouS | ? |
| 11:22.14 | nkuttler | Overand: /msg dpkg resolution |
| 11:22.15 | juhov | overand: xrandr -s 1024x768 for example |
| 11:22.41 | Overand | and man, old thinkpads suck at displaying non-native resolutoins |
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| 11:23.15 | Overand | and especially nice is hte lack of a numpad on this |
| 11:23.16 | Overand | heh |
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| 11:23.32 | nkuttler | Overand: no fn-key or similar? |
| 11:23.44 | Overand | sorta |
| 11:23.56 | juhov | xrandr didn't work? |
| 11:23.59 | Overand | it's quirky to say the list |
| 11:24.33 | Overand | xrandr did it |
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| 11:24.44 | da_bon_bon | hi all. |
| 11:24.44 | Overand | i'm surprised control-alt numpad + didn't do it |
| 11:24.46 | Overand | oh well |
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| 11:25.00 | da_bon_bon | i got debian sarge dvd. 6616 packages. i am sooo happy!@ :)) |
| 11:25.10 | da_bon_bon | any special instructions before installing it ? |
| 11:25.16 | Overand | i deserved it for trying to run gish on a p2-400 anyway |
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| 11:26.17 | da_bon_bon | any special instructions before installing it ? |
| 11:26.57 | tarzeau | read before you press enter |
| 11:27.21 | hool | reinstalling debian couse you're bored is a valid reason :) |
| 11:27.25 | hool | tweak tweak |
| 11:27.45 | tarzeau | hardly have i ever reinstalled debian |
| 11:28.11 | JeaLouS | guys where i can find debian's dvd ?? where to get it from |
| 11:28.16 | da_bon_bon | tarzeau: really ? it doesnt have no graphical installed right ? |
| 11:28.25 | Overand | is there actually an official debian dvd image? |
| 11:28.32 | da_bon_bon | JeaLouS: i got it from a computer mag - old december 2004, but i dont mind. |
| 11:28.38 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: for what? |
| 11:28.47 | JeaLouS | + da_bon_bon : ? |
| 11:28.48 | Overand | that's fine, dec 2004 is not that old |
| 11:28.57 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: actually framebuffer is graphics mode |
| 11:29.00 | Overand | so you do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade when you're done |
| 11:29.01 | tarzeau | but no mouse |
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| 11:29.10 | da_bon_bon | JeaLouS: why the ? |
| 11:29.11 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: you don't want that! |
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| 11:29.23 | da_bon_bon | Overand: ok, thanks for the hint :) |
| 11:29.31 | da_bon_bon | tarzeau: i dont want what ? |
| 11:29.46 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: nah. I'd exchange any dvd drive with internet anytime |
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| 11:30.10 | nkuttler | da_bon_bon: do a dist-upgrade, not a simple upgrade |
| 11:30.18 | El_Sinior_NoNo | how can i see all the packages that are installed on my debian ? |
| 11:30.25 | tarzeau | El_Sinior_NoNo: dpkg -l |
| 11:30.35 | El_Sinior_NoNo | thanx |
| 11:30.38 | da_bon_bon | nkuttler: whats the difference ? |
| 11:30.43 | tarzeau | El_Sinior_NoNo: you can only see those installed with dpkg, not the manual source installs |
| 11:30.44 | nkuttler | da_bon_bon: man apt-get |
| 11:30.52 | da_bon_bon | tarzeau: i'd exchange too, ptovided i had a very fast net. |
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| 11:31.03 | da_bon_bon | nkuttler: please tell, as i am not on debian now. |
| 11:31.07 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: define very fast net |
| 11:31.17 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: i'd exchange any dvd with internet even if it wasn't very fast |
| 11:31.22 | da_bon_bon | ok. |
| 11:31.50 | da_bon_bon | anyway, major problem is that my dvd drive is not my first - my first drive is cdwriter- so i cannot boot from dvd. what do i do ? |
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| 11:32.13 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: your bios sucks, it's x86 i guess |
| 11:32.19 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: play with the bios settings |
| 11:32.26 | da_bon_bon | yes, x86. |
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| 11:32.30 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: if it can't exchange those both drives, |
| 11:32.33 | bernouli | is it possible to share internet connection with one network card, which dial to internet, and using a switch? |
| 11:32.38 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: if that doesn't work, remove the first drive |
| 11:32.40 | El_Sinior_NoNo | ouch, it seems that i have some garbage in my packages. Several packages for the same thing... |
| 11:32.43 | da_bon_bon | tarzeau: no software can help ? |
| 11:32.47 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: no x86 sucks |
| 11:32.52 | cat | big time |
| 11:32.58 | JeaLouS | any one can help me |
| 11:33.02 | da_bon_bon | tarzeau: u have what ? x64 ? |
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| 11:33.03 | tarzeau | JeaLouS: no |
| 11:33.10 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: powerpc, sparc, alpha |
| 11:33.13 | da_bon_bon | JeaLouS: ask, dont ask to ask. |
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| 11:33.19 | tarzeau | da_bon_bon: x64 is x86 that sucks even more |
| 11:33.25 | da_bon_bon | tarzeau: ah.. many machines. good. :) |
| 11:33.27 | JeaLouS | + da_bon_bon : i already asked :@ |
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| 11:34.05 | da_bon_bon | JeaLouS: what is it ? and why add a + sugn before every message ? |
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| 11:34.33 | JeaLouS | + da_bon_bon : it's my script besides i asked where to get dvd image |
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| 11:35.28 | simonrvn | tarzeau: heh, i always figured you had x86 boxen for some reason |
| 11:35.46 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i hate them |
| 11:36.12 | simonrvn | i don't hate them, but i don't like them either. they suck in so many ways |
| 11:36.20 | spiersoft | heey guyes, i have a question. I'm not sure if my ethernet card is installed probarbly (driver failure or somethinh) how can i check if i can connect to the internet? |
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| 11:36.42 | tarzeau | spiersoft: ifconfig, route, netstat, ping, arp |
| 11:37.00 | simonrvn | da intarweb toolz |
| 11:37.08 | spiersoft | thank u :) |
| 11:37.25 | paulswm | heh |
| 11:37.38 | simonrvn | throw in iproute if you want to do ipv6 properly |
| 11:37.41 | da_bon_bon | JeaLouS: http://ftp.sun.ac.za/ftp/iso-images/debian/sarge/dvd/ |
| 11:37.45 | pingouin_ | spiersoft: in root use modconf to load net drivers for card and then use the tools tarzeau just gave 2 U |
| 11:38.05 | hid3 | Is there any utility in debian which would be able to do complete disk backups periodically? For example, if my 1st disk dies, I just replace the 2nd to be pri/master and I can boot again without any problems.. |
| 11:38.23 | simonrvn | what's with the crappy mssql connects? sheesh. whole series of them in 10 minutes |
| 11:38.48 | JeaLouS | thanks da_bon_bon |
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| 11:38.55 | simonrvn | hid3: several backup tools exist |
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| 11:39.11 | z0unds- | does anyone know if sshd uses /bin/login to handle the logins |
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| 11:39.14 | JeaLouS | You don't have permission to access /ftp/iso-images/debian/sarge/dvd/sarge-i386-1.iso on this server. |
| 11:39.20 | da_bon_bon | JeaLouS: i dont know how authentic these images are... :( |
| 11:40.04 | simonrvn | ok, just the weekend |
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| 11:40.35 | simonrvn | @tell root -about root |
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| 11:41.39 | Alois | hey.. how do I mark a package non-upgradeable ? I've installed a custom ver of mailman and don't want it to get overwritten after subsequent apt-get upgrade's ? |
| 11:42.00 | simonrvn | Alois: /msg dpkg hold |
| 11:42.06 | Alois | thanks |
| 11:42.28 | simonrvn | make sure you keep up to date with security notices |
| 11:42.34 | Alois | yea, I will |
| 11:42.47 | JeaLouS | where to purchase linux |
| 11:43.15 | simonrvn | you don't buy the kernel, you get an install cd from a computer shop or a web site |
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| 11:44.58 | JeaLouS | any one can paste me a site ship internationaly |
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| 11:45.29 | Phated | Where do you live? There's a list on Debian.org of Debian vendors internationally. |
| 11:45.36 | simonrvn | google or a web site too hard? :) |
| 11:45.38 | Dav89^Awa | where can i find USB MEMORY STICK debian img file?? |
| 11:45.46 | valdyn | JeaLouS: why internationally? why not chose a vendor in your country? |
| 11:46.02 | JeaLouS | + valdyn : my country not listed there |
| 11:46.14 | simonrvn | JeaLouS: the closest one then |
| 11:46.17 | mathieu_ | Dav89^Awa, google |
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| 11:46.23 | nkuttler | JeaLouS: no linux user groups near you? |
| 11:46.29 | JeaLouS | + simonrvn : i can't understand there language |
| 11:46.31 | valdyn | JeaLouS: debian cannot list all vendors, theres on in your country i _bet_ |
| 11:46.37 | JeaLouS | + nkuttler : 3 hours a car |
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| 11:46.50 | JeaLouS | + valdyn : well i'm searching |
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| 11:47.49 | spiersoft | in witch country do you live then? |
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| 11:48.05 | Phated | /whois JeaLouS ? :) |
| 11:48.26 | JeaLouS | + Phated : ? |
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| 11:48.38 | JeaLouS | + Phated : /dns JeaLouS |
| 11:48.40 | JeaLouS | ;) |
| 11:48.52 | Phated | Dude, take that + off your lines. :/ |
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| 11:49.42 | JeaLouS | any one going to tell me a good site sells debians dvd cd , and ship international |
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| 11:49.59 | valdyn | JeaLouS: amazon? |
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| 11:50.09 | Phated | Get a friend to FedEx it. |
| 11:50.10 | JeaLouS | + valdyn : expansive shipping |
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| 11:50.24 | resiak | JeaLouS: Do you know anyone with a fast connection and a burner? |
| 11:50.24 | simonrvn | hmmm, the driver here behaves better than the xfree86 one |
| 11:50.43 | JeaLouS | + resiak : the fastest connection inlebanon almost me |
| 11:50.47 | ubernoob | is there something wrong with http://packages.debian.org ? Does anyone have a mirror i can use? |
| 11:50.55 | JeaLouS | + resiak : i want to get sarge |
| 11:51.02 | JeaLouS | the 15cds for now |
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| 11:51.14 | simonrvn | JeaLouS: i know someone who was in lebanon, but they're in the uk now :/ |
| 11:51.20 | resiak | JeaLouS: Ah, I see. So not the kind of connection you can download 15 CDs on? |
| 11:51.27 | simonrvn | resiak: no |
| 11:51.38 | JeaLouS | + resiak : yeah sick of downloading and waiting |
| 11:51.44 | JeaLouS | order is easier and faster |
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| 11:52.13 | JeaLouS | debian-30r4-i386-binary-7.iso < this was the last image from 30r4 |
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| 11:52.17 | Pumpkin_Pie | how can I install 'dig' ? I cant find it in apt-cache ? |
| 11:52.57 | simonrvn | Pumpkin_Pie: dnsutils |
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| 11:54.31 | nkuttler | JeaLouS: look at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ and look at the ones with "Versand inst Ausland: ja" |
| 11:54.48 | nkuttler | ... wait. that should be engligh... |
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| 11:57.08 | JeaLouS | + nkuttler : nothing |
| 11:57.12 | ubernoob | i'm trying to download a package from http://packages.debian.org/ , but it seems to me that the server is down... does anyone know where i find a mirror where i can download the package? |
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| 11:57.38 | Dewi__ | what package(s) do I need to compile C programs? |
| 11:57.44 | Dewi__ | ld is failing because it can't find crt.o |
| 11:57.45 | nkuttler | JeaLouS: what nothing. there are plenty. http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/index.en.html |
| 11:57.46 | JeaLouS | + ubernoob : apt-setup |
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| 11:57.51 | Dewi__ | sorry, I meant crt1.o |
| 11:58.09 | JeaLouS | + nkuttler : nothing lead to lebanon with what i need |
| 11:58.13 | MobyTurbo | ubernoob: /topic |
| 11:58.25 | nkuttler | JeaLouS: :-/ |
| 11:58.34 | JeaLouS | i want sarge full set |
| 11:58.37 | maurizio | the bug #284181 (that I meet on testing) is supposed to be solved, but the solution is not in testing http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=alsa-modules-i386 is it normal? |
| 11:58.39 | JeaLouS | binary and source |
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| 11:59.46 | MobyTurbo | maurizio: normally things get fixed in unstable first and migrate to testing, when they can. |
| 12:00.20 | Dewi__ | "mail" doesn't seem to be a very usable mail reader. Any recommendations (previously I've only used pine) |
| 12:00.36 | Dewi__ | oh, and I'm using a console here |
| 12:00.41 | MobyTurbo | Dewi__: mutt |
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| 12:01.20 | Dewi__ | MobyTurbo : thanks, I'll give it a whirl |
| 12:01.45 | MobyTurbo | Dewi__: mutt is ncurses based, like pine. |
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| 12:01.58 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 12:02.14 | MrEntropy | where is debian's answer to rc.local? |
| 12:02.20 | maurizio | MobyTurbo: in other words, if I need a solution now, i should upgrade to unstable? |
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| 12:02.34 | nkuttler | MrEntropy: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 12:02.40 | MobyTurbo | maurizio: you could use pinning. |
| 12:03.21 | maurizio | MobyTurbo: thanks, i'll try. |
| 12:03.36 | MobyTurbo | maurizio: /msg dpkg pinning if you need some help on it. |
| 12:04.06 | MrEntropy | ok, maybe there's a better place. does debian have a standard place i can put iptables rules? |
| 12:04.12 | MrEntropy | some distros do |
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| 12:05.16 | bernouli | hello, has someone experienced this problem while compiling apt? |
| 12:05.27 | bernouli | mv: cannot stat `t-de_DE.gmo': No such file or directory |
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| 12:07.55 | broke | I'm having problems installing fluxbox |
| 12:07.55 | PhUrl | OMG: after some upgrading, Error: Can't open display: :0.0. what did i do? please help |
| 12:08.05 | bizkit | hi, i just updated my mysql server from backports.org (is used the backported version, but they have updated the package due to security probs) and now i get when trying to start mysqld: mysqld: unknown option '--quick' .. but where does --quick come from? even when i do "mysqld" on the commandline without any mysqld_safe or any wrapper before this errors comes :/ |
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| 12:08.07 | PhUrl | i have x running, but it dont work no more. |
| 12:08.11 | broke | in what file should I place exec fluxbox ? |
| 12:08.16 | PhUrl | i cannot start any new windows |
| 12:08.23 | jenipapo2 | hi all |
| 12:08.24 | Guerin | broke: .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 12:08.37 | broke | but, after I started x |
| 12:08.46 | broke | there are no files named that in $HOME |
| 12:08.57 | PhUrl | Guerin: ok, thanks. |
| 12:09.08 | PhUrl | how can i repair it? restart x |
| 12:09.31 | Guerin | PhUrl: what? |
| 12:09.39 | JeaLouS | where to get worldwide cheap shipping |
| 12:09.45 | PhUrl | oh, thought you were talking to me |
| 12:09.54 | PhUrl | OMG: after some upgrading, Error: Can't open display: :0.0. what did i do? please help. i have x running, but it dont work no more. i cannot start any new windows |
| 12:09.59 | ngd | PhUrl: What is the exact output? |
| 12:10.07 | ngd | PhUrl: and what was the ipgrade? |
| 12:10.09 | Guerin | PhUrl: yeah, because when I precede a line with broke: it's clearly for you... |
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| 12:10.34 | PhUrl | xeyes\nError: Can't open display: localhost:0.0 |
| 12:10.38 | paulswm | morning Guerin , happy Sunday to you |
| 12:10.57 | Guerin | paulswm: good eve to you as well. My sunday has been and almost gone. |
| 12:11.03 | PhUrl | well, i removed a bunch of gnome stuff. moved tmp to a new dir. and deleted a bunch of crap |
| 12:11.12 | paulswm | sorry, forgot |
| 12:11.14 | Guerin | PhUrl: you moved /tmp |
| 12:11.16 | Guerin | wtf |
| 12:11.22 | Guerin | PhUrl: never do that |
| 12:11.25 | PhUrl | yeah, it was on a full disk |
| 12:11.31 | PhUrl | i gave it more space |
| 12:11.36 | Guerin | PhUrl: that's why it's fucked |
| 12:11.41 | PhUrl | ok, great |
| 12:11.44 | Guerin | PhUrl: you can't just move /tmp |
| 12:11.46 | ngd | PhUrl: yes probabaly |
| 12:11.48 | PhUrl | thanks. |
| 12:11.53 | Guerin | PhUrl: free up some space on that drive |
| 12:12.10 | PhUrl | well, i will restart x now, i think. |
| 12:12.59 | Guerin | if you really need to make a bigger /tmp, you might get away with using mount --bind or a symlink, but you're better off just freeing up space. |
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| 12:13.14 | PhUrl | i have made a symlink |
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| 12:14.47 | MrEntropy | how do i get this /etc/init.d/iptables script to load a ruleset upon boot? |
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| 12:15.04 | mattboll | hi |
| 12:15.45 | mattboll | i've got some pb with an iso image |
| 12:16.04 | mattboll | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.42 | mattboll | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.43 | mattboll | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:16.54 | mattboll | what's wrong ? |
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| 12:17.41 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 12:18.04 | pingouin_ | mattboll: the module Ŧloopŧ and fs is loaded in kernel ? |
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| 12:19.18 | julyy | ola |
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| 12:19.34 | mattboll | pingouin_: i hope |
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| 12:19.42 | mattboll | how could i know ? |
| 12:19.45 | pingouin_ | mattboll: you have to check |
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| 12:20.09 | pingouin_ | mattboll: lsmod , or in root use modconf and load the necessary modules |
| 12:21.02 | mattboll | oki i try thx |
| 12:22.23 | usn | usn, arriving |
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| 12:23.19 | bramme | i've downloaded a debian .patch file for GNOME, how do i install it ? ( running it as ./patchfile.patch doesn't work, compiling it into the kernel neither ) |
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| 12:28.26 | godless | Hi I'm taking over duty's as the lan admin (50pc's 5 servers), are there any programs that can help me in that task, I was thinking more of generating a nice database & front-end that can export to nice prints etc, or something quick and dirty |
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| 12:29.02 | godless | or is there a better place to hold this discussion ? |
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| 12:30.17 | PhUrl | back |
| 12:30.49 | PhUrl | Guerin_ it all worked well, after a warm boot. /me writes a note to himself never to delete /tmp |
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| 12:31.06 | Frater_Sx | hello |
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| 12:33.06 | mattboll | there is already loop in lsmod |
| 12:33.23 | Talnakh | does anyone know a website which tests performance of servers under similar load? I am interested in HP servers comparison... |
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| 12:34.07 | mattboll | how can i know if a iso is valid ? |
| 12:34.12 | Gathond | Talnakh: I would think HP have some numbers for what their servers can du |
| 12:34.22 | mattboll | (without checksum...) |
| 12:34.25 | Gathond | mattboll: check its MD5sum or gpg/pgp signature |
| 12:34.36 | Gathond | mattboll: burn it and see if it works |
| 12:34.36 | mattboll | Gathond: well :/ |
| 12:34.50 | mattboll | that what i will do :( |
| 12:34.54 | Gathond | mattboll: or fetch it 3-4 times and see if you can calculate the same sum:) |
| 12:35.21 | bramme | i've downloaded a debian .patch file for GNOME, how do i install it ? ( running it as ./patchfile.patch doesn't work, compiling it into the kernel neither ) |
| 12:35.22 | Rawplayer | is there a good alternative for nfs? |
| 12:35.42 | Gathond | bramme: you use patch to apply patches:) man patch :) |
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| 12:35.47 | ngd | bramme: man patch |
| 12:36.00 | ngd | Gathond: lol, same wavelength |
| 12:36.25 | PhUrl | why does everything depend on scrollkeeper |
| 12:36.44 | PhUrl | i dont read docs, so why do i need another program to manage them? |
| 12:36.55 | MrEntropy | seriously, isn't there anywhere I can just insert a single command I want run? i have to create these complex and devious control scripts? i like rc.local =) |
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| 12:37.21 | bob2 | bootmisc.sh |
| 12:37.23 | bob2 | or make your own |
| 12:37.47 | MrEntropy | ok, cool...thanks |
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| 12:40.56 | resiak | PhUrl: Why don't you read docs? |
| 12:40.58 | resiak | PhUrl: :) |
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| 12:41.04 | PhUrl | cause i google them |
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| 12:41.11 | shinobi2 | . |
| 12:41.27 | PhUrl | i mean i dont want to have lots of local docs that i never read |
| 12:41.36 | PhUrl | resiak: |
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| 12:42.25 | resiak | PhUrl: Meh, your local docs are probably more accurate than random Googlism, since they match the exact version that you have installed. But whatever. |
| 12:42.32 | scarynetworkguy | godless: This is a really decent book. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0130462101 The link is just the first non-Safari link I could find. |
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| 12:43.23 | shinobi2 | mini-dvdr(s) are out for a while, but anyone here have seen a cutted-mini-dvdr? cutted-mini-dvdr looks like a businesscard. |
| 12:43.24 | aokaze | im so happy! I got my webcam to work! |
| 12:43.32 | muppo | could anyone tip me of a nice editor to program c++ and to se if it works/try it and not with (nano,vim and so on) |
| 12:44.05 | aokaze | not to mention it was a webcam I found in the trash that crashes any windows computer I pluged it into |
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| 12:44.38 | bramme | bram:/home/bram# patch empty-desktop-keys.patch, and nothing happens |
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| 12:46.12 | mortenbo | I'm looking at the different architectures to debian. I am looking at the intel x86-based architecture. I have an AMD Athlon, will it still work? |
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| 12:46.41 | scarynetworkguy | mortenbo: Yes. |
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| 12:46.53 | mortenbo | scarynetworkguy: awesome, thanks |
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| 12:49.24 | runedude | how do I mount a filesystem from a network computer under samba again? |
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| 12:50.04 | bramme | bram:/home/bram# patch empty-desktop-keys.patch, and nothing happens |
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| 12:51.03 | netbrain | if i want to upgrade my linux server from p2 to a pentium 3 machine. all i have to do is reinstall another kernel? right? |
| 12:51.20 | netbrain | in order to make linux work on the new machine. |
| 12:51.20 | asg | netbrain: chances are, it will run with the original p2 kernel just fine. |
| 12:51.44 | netbrain | and if it doesnt then all i have to do is install a new kernel. right? |
| 12:51.50 | asg | netbrain: yep |
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| 12:52.13 | netbrain | thanks mate :D |
| 12:53.39 | runedude | well, actually, What package is required for "smbmount" ? |
| 12:53.44 | asg | runedude: smbfs |
| 12:53.52 | Gathond | smbclient ? |
| 12:53.56 | runedude | ah |
| 12:53.58 | runedude | ok thanks |
| 12:54.12 | asg | runedude: in the future, apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search <bin/utility> |
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| 12:54.20 | runedude | yes, thanks |
| 12:54.46 | resiak | bramme: Have you read man patch? |
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| 12:55.41 | runedude | so its something ilke this? smbmount \\192.168.0.109\music\ /mnt/music ? |
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| 12:55.49 | m3k | hello, I just installed debian woody on my computer. It's running with a kernel version 2.2.20 now, how can I switch to 2.6 kernel? |
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| 12:56.01 | asg | runedude: smbmount //server/share /mnt/point -o username=meh |
| 12:56.06 | runedude | ah ok thx |
| 12:56.10 | Gathond | runedude: I think it uses / not \ |
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| 12:56.15 | asg | m3k: from woody? /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 12:56.35 | asg | m3k: 2.6 kernels don't run on woody without backported packages. 2.4 kernels run just fine though. |
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| 12:57.03 | hool | what's the oldest kernel with alsa supported? |
| 12:57.27 | m3k | asg: I'm thinking of running gentoo on a server where our main considerations are security and high performance. So i thought running 2.6 would be a good idea since 2.6 kernels are much faster |
| 12:57.39 | m3k | argh not gentoo debian. |
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| 12:58.01 | asg | m3k: well, 2.6 kernels are still considered unstable by many and are only faster in certain circumstances. |
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| 12:58.23 | asg | m3k: I've seen smbfs mounts crash horribly under 2.6 kernels while 2.4 kernels have had no problems. |
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| 12:58.35 | m3k | asg: so how can I switch to 2.4? |
| 12:58.36 | runedude | adois |
| 12:58.50 | asg | m3k: and as far as security goes, the woody 2.4.18 kernel has backported security fixes. |
| 12:58.52 | fatal_ | asg: why use smbfs when there's CIFS? |
| 12:59.05 | asg | m3k: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one that suits.) |
| 12:59.39 | bramme | in unstable gnome-panel 2.8.2-2 is included, in testing only 2.8.2-1, i have unstable package sources in the sources.list, but how do i force apt to update gnome-panel to 2.8.2-2 ? |
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| 13:00.15 | asg | fatal_: cifs is only supported in 2.6 right? |
| 13:00.19 | m3k | asg: thanks a lot. I'm also looking for some documentation for beginners, which ones do you recommend? (I know the ones at debian.org) |
| 13:00.43 | clojster | how can I get rid off automatic changing of permissions on /var/log/messages each time I restart kernel? |
| 13:00.43 | asg | m3k: an older but okay overview for newbies is at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
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| 13:01.00 | asg | m3k: it covers slink (debian 2.1) so is old but the basic concepts still apply |
| 13:01.43 | fatal_ | asg: I think it's in 2.4 too.... but I'm not sure... haven't been running 2.4 for a very long time. |
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| 13:02.03 | asg | fatal_: well, not on my 2.4.27 at any rate |
| 13:02.31 | m3k | asg: thank you |
| 13:02.37 | asg | m3k: you're welcome |
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| 13:03.58 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.23 | fatal_ | asg: ok... well smbfs sucks so much that it's probably worth the hassle to install cifs manually.... http://linux-cifs.samba.org .. :) |
| 13:04.23 | hool | what should i edit in /etc/lilo.conf when i change kernels? |
| 13:04.33 | resiak | clojster: Why not just adduser youruser adm ? |
| 13:04.53 | clojster | resiak: is it safe? |
| 13:04.54 | asg | fatal_: well, like I said to m3k, I've never had problems with it on 2.4.x kernels. |
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| 13:05.02 | NURV | how to run apt-file update trough proxy, what must be add in apt-file.conf? |
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| 13:05.37 | resiak | clojster: Sure, why not? |
| 13:06.03 | asg | fatal_: we use apache to map student webspace over smbfs to a windows FS. It has worked for years with 2.4.x. I briefly tried 2.6.x for testing and it had horrible issues with stability. Granted, I didn't try cifs as a replacement at the time. |
| 13:06.09 | Rawplayer | can i mount a remove fs with nfs with the same user permissions as on the client? |
| 13:06.25 | ngd | hool: man lilo.conf; you need to point the kernel option at your new kernel that should be in /boot |
| 13:06.26 | ProfesZor | Hi all, Can someone help a newbie (me) set-up partitioning on Debian 3.0r4 using cfdisk 2.11n please? |
| 13:06.34 | clojster | resiak: aren't those nearly root privileges? BTW: how can I view what privileges has each group? |
| 13:06.38 | Rawplayer | like my remote export is from user kevin and i also want it mounted on the client as kevin |
| 13:07.16 | resiak | clojster: Groups don't intrinsically have privileges per se. You could use find to find all files whose group is adm, and see what they are. |
| 13:07.22 | Edipo | joder nadie ace ni puto caso |
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| 13:07.46 | asg | !tell Edipo about spanish |
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| 13:08.01 | thomas_adam | asg: Do you know when that book we contributed to gets published? I'm just curious if there is some sort of 'delay' between American and Ol' Blighty. |
| 13:08.05 | PhUrl | wow, i kan finally remove all the KDE KRAP |
| 13:08.06 | clojster | resiak: how? |
| 13:08.27 | thomas_adam | PhUrl: The fact that you installed it in the first place, is laughable... |
| 13:08.36 | PhUrl | tell me about it |
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| 13:08.48 | asg | thomas_adam: no, I've been scanning the new releases from OR and they haven't indicated. |
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| 13:09.10 | asg | thomas_adam: Sometimes, they slip one out without previously indicating a release date though |
| 13:09.16 | resiak | clojster: Firstly, read man find. Secondly, find / -group adm -ls | less |
| 13:09.17 | PhUrl | its like i use 5 programs : emacs, xterm, xchat, firebird, what do i need all this KRUFT for ? |
| 13:09.31 | resiak | PhUrl: Uh, that's four. :) |
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| 13:09.41 | PhUrl | heheh |
| 13:09.50 | asg | thomas_adam: I think we get final print copies. Either way, it doesn't matter. You know Joey Hess did one two didn't you? |
| 13:10.04 | thomas_adam | No? What did he write about? :) |
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| 13:10.27 | asg | thomas_adam: dunno, just saw his addy in mails sent to me and some other people. |
| 13:10.41 | clojster | resiak: thanks |
| 13:10.53 | PhUrl | oh yeah, 304 mb free on my root!! yeah! |
| 13:11.03 | dyxmert | what editor can I use for crontab -e? vim does not work .. ne does not work .. I don't have any others installed :( |
| 13:11.06 | resiak | clojster: Looks to me like it's pretty much just the logs, and in any case they're only 640, so adm is harmless. |
| 13:11.12 | clojster | resiak: one more question: how can I remove user from group? |
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| 13:11.13 | resiak | clojster: Makes sense to have a group which can read logs, no? |
| 13:11.18 | asg | dyxmert: EDITOR=nano crontab -e |
| 13:11.19 | PhUrl | is there a way to sort packages that are install by size in debian? |
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| 13:11.39 | PhUrl | i would like a tool called kruft that automatically deletes all packages that are useless |
| 13:11.46 | thomas_adam | PhUrl: debfoster |
| 13:11.49 | asg | PhUrl: deborphan |
| 13:11.55 | PhUrl | great |
| 13:12.03 | PhUrl | thanks thomas_adam, asg |
| 13:12.08 | thomas_adam | deborphan only handles libraries, where debfoster does both. |
| 13:12.09 | resiak | clojster: deluser user group, oddly enough. |
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| 13:12.29 | asg | thomas_adam: deborphan works ootb while debfoster requires more prep-work |
| 13:12.52 | thomas_adam | asg: Surely you don't mean 'YMMV'? Gasp!] |
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| 13:12.55 | AKX | Hello, what's up with "Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mysql'" with a fresh install of MySQL from sarge? |
| 13:13.03 | asg | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 13:13.12 | asg | AKX: did you set a root password? |
| 13:13.17 | clojster | resiak: so group adm can only read logs? (I don't get the grouping things...) How can I setup or how can I find out what users from particular group may or may not do? |
| 13:13.19 | AKX | How should I do that? |
| 13:13.28 | asg | AKX: mysqladmin -u root password 'your password' |
| 13:13.44 | asg | AKX: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 13:13.48 | PhUrl | wow, there is a program called cruft... |
| 13:13.56 | AKX | unable to change password; error: 'Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database 'mysql'' and I've read the Readme. |
| 13:13.57 | resiak | clojster: This is the whole thing. What a group can do depends on what files are owned by that group and what those files' group permissions are set to. |
| 13:14.03 | asg | PhUrl: I would have been surprised if there wasn't. |
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| 13:15.02 | clojster | resiak: oh, I see... now I get it. Thanks! |
| 13:15.06 | resiak | clojster: No worries. |
| 13:15.15 | asg | AKX: then it possibly was set. /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 13:15.50 | Guerin_ | !mhallsmite windows |
| 13:15.51 | dpkg | Fuck windows. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 13:16.01 | Guerin_ | this is a fucking nightmare |
| 13:16.03 | resiak | Guerin_: Calm down. Take deep breaths. |
| 13:16.10 | asg | Guerin_: don't sleep and deb? |
| 13:16.17 | resiak | Guerin_: Tell gestalt uncle #debian. |
| 13:17.16 | Guerin_ | i have to install 10,000,000 fucking updates just so this windows box isn't pwn3d within minutes. I installed w2ksp4, two anti-spyware programs, a firewall and an antivirus, and I STILL have more shit to get. |
| 13:17.26 | Overand | Guerin_: yeah |
| 13:17.38 | Overand | stuff it behind its own little NAT rig |
| 13:17.40 | Guerin_ | and the firewall is in learn mode so it's not all automated. |
| 13:17.40 | Overand | with no other boxes |
| 13:17.44 | Guerin_ | oh, it is |
| 13:17.46 | Overand | heh |
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| 13:17.50 | Overand | win2k is a little hairy |
| 13:17.53 | Guerin_ | it's behind my debian box :) |
| 13:18.03 | Overand | XP SP2 is at least 'better' |
| 13:18.05 | Guerin_ | but once I leave here, it'll be naked on the internet |
| 13:18.11 | Overand | 2k3 is a lot more sane in terms of permission |
| 13:18.21 | Overand | it's like |
| 13:18.33 | Overand | 'WELL, we've been fucking up for a good 10 years now, time to get our asses in gear' |
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| 13:18.44 | Guerin_ | yeah |
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| 13:18.45 | Overand | hahah |
| 13:18.46 | Overand | oh man |
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| 13:18.53 | Overand | WE'VE GOT A NAME/AGE/GENDER nick |
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| 13:18.56 | AKX | asg: didn't work: http://mureakuha.com/paste/?48b9e1ac25960286cfc7c7989d54e8bc |
| 13:19.03 | Guerin_ | heh |
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| 13:20.16 | asg | AKX: did you try using mysql -u root -p (and then typing your new password?) |
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| 13:20.28 | AKX | Yes. Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
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| 13:21.02 | asg | AKX: well that's just funky. Anyone alive in #mysql ? |
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| 13:22.06 | Raver_Newbie | is there a Debain Help only channel? |
| 13:22.27 | asg | Raver_Newbie: this is for Debian help |
| 13:22.42 | rmstar | AKX: what versions of mysql-server and client are u using? |
| 13:22.47 | AKX | 4.0.23 |
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| 13:23.03 | AKX | or 4.0.23_debian-3-log to be exact |
| 13:23.04 | Raver_Newbie | wel, just a thougt. Anyone with some time to help me get my USB storage to work? |
| 13:23.16 | asg | Raver_Newbie: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 13:24.28 | Raver_Newbie | i cant load sd module, thats the problem :-( |
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| 13:24.57 | asg | Raver_Newbie: did you compile your own kernel or are you using a debian provided one. What kernel version do you have? (uname -r) |
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| 13:25.14 | Raver_Newbie | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 13:26.09 | KillerBunny | Somebody ban Betty_21f for spam. |
| 13:26.31 | asg | Raver_Newbie: modprobe sg |
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| 13:26.39 | Raver_Newbie | the device is recognized, but not attached to sda i think, i dunno, i cant belive the kernel is without scsi support |
| 13:26.49 | Raver_Newbie | ok |
| 13:26.58 | ly | hi, whats the configfile of debtool ? the german server is down and debtool -u does not work :-/ |
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| 13:27.15 | ly | i want to change the german server to another |
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| 13:27.39 | asg | caphuso_: didn't you ban Betty_21f for spam yesterday, KillerBunny just requested it again. |
| 13:27.57 | Blitx | hey |
| 13:28.02 | Raver_Newbie | modprobe sg works (if my OK did not make that clear) |
| 13:28.06 | [GQ]ViWi | yeah Betty_21f spammed me too |
| 13:28.10 | toresbe | me too |
| 13:28.18 | asg | Raver_Newbie: cool, glad you got that working |
| 13:28.24 | KillerBunny | Betty_21f, sayes hi on join, and spam sex stuff if you reply. |
| 13:28.31 | Overand | ugh |
| 13:28.35 | Overand | k/b plz |
| 13:28.36 | toresbe | Betty_21f: hey |
| 13:28.39 | Phated | Now... why did you reply? |
| 13:28.40 | Overand | i got no hi from Betty_21f |
| 13:28.42 | Phated | :) |
| 13:28.43 | toresbe | :P |
| 13:28.46 | Overand | Betty_21f: HEY THERE |
| 13:28.48 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 13:28.51 | Overand | Betty_21f: what's up send me a message |
| 13:28.53 | Raver_Newbie | i had an hi from "her" |
| 13:28.57 | Overand | i didn't |
| 13:29.02 | Phated | Oh FFS it's a BOT, stop talking to it. |
| 13:29.04 | Overand | i wonder how the algorythm pick swhich people to message |
| 13:29.05 | toresbe | Betty_21f: HELLO TO YOU! DO YOU HAVE ANY EXCITING LINK FOR ME? |
| 13:29.12 | Phated | !ops Betty_21f is a spambot |
| 13:29.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Betty_21f is a spambot |
| 13:29.14 | Overand | Phated: jus ttrying to trigger it to msg me |
| 13:29.19 | [GQ]ViWi | ...just don't care! ;-) |
| 13:29.22 | Phated | Overand: /cycle, then. |
| 13:29.25 | Overand | eh |
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| 13:29.34 | [GQ]ViWi | don't take any notice of her |
| 13:29.39 | Overand | good lord i forgot how many people were in here |
| 13:29.43 | KillerBunny | So why not ban her ? |
| 13:29.46 | Overand | SEVEN HUNDRED SEVENTY SEVEN nicks |
| 13:29.50 | asg | KillerBunny: an op will in time. |
| 13:29.50 | Anynomous | Any ops around? |
| 13:29.54 | Overand | thisi s probably the largest channel I've ever been in |
| 13:29.55 | KillerBunny | Okey. |
| 13:30.08 | asg | Overand: #gentoo is rumored to be larger |
| 13:30.17 | Overand | yeah it's a spambot |
| 13:30.22 | Rawplayer | idd |
| 13:30.24 | Overand | heh |
| 13:30.40 | Overand | and it links to a .cx site |
| 13:30.46 | Rawplayer | !ops |
| 13:30.46 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 13:30.57 | Overand | if i was into pr0n, i'd still never go to a .cx site for porn, hhaah |
| 13:30.57 | [GQ]ViWi | let's linux a bit ;-) |
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| 13:31.17 | mh_le | asg, 945 in #gentoo ATM |
| 13:31.20 | KillerBunny | Okey, detetive Overand thats good work. |
| 13:31.26 | asg | mh_le: yep |
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| 13:31.35 | Raver_Newbie | ok, any further suggestion to my usb problem? |
| 13:31.52 | Overand | Raver_Newbie: yeah, take less MDMA |
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| 13:31.56 | asg | Raver_Newbie: did you instal usb-storage as well as sg? |
| 13:32.01 | Raver_Newbie | yepp |
| 13:32.03 | AKX | Hmm... I still can't figure what's wrong with this MySQL. http://mureakuha.com/paste/?48b9e1ac25960286cfc7c7989d54e8bc |
| 13:32.12 | asg | Raver_Newbie: and it doesn't show up in /proc/partitons? |
| 13:32.24 | [GQ]ViWi | if've got the problem that kde won't start at all |
| 13:32.28 | Anynomous | OK please - bear with me, as I'm in a lousy OS with a lousy client right now. I have a problem, I try to find packages on www.debian.org - but it keeps saying that "packages.debian.org" is down, when I try to search for the wine packages. What to do? |
| 13:32.30 | Overand | it devalues your serotonin receptors, and may cause a neurotixic response due to dopamine being reuptaken through serotonin reuptake channels |
| 13:32.31 | asg | [GQ]ViWi: try #debian-kde |
| 13:32.43 | asg | Anynomous: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:32.45 | asg | Anynomous: /topic |
| 13:32.55 | [GQ]ViWi | k, thx |
| 13:32.58 | asg | caphuso: thanks |
| 13:32.58 | Overand | Anynomous: do a web search for 'apt-get' |
| 13:33.09 | Anynomous | asg: I cannot read the topic in this lousy client .. |
| 13:33.13 | Danar | anyone know how to make my mouse config permanent, so i don't have to keep using xmodmap every time i log in? |
| 13:33.20 | asg | Anynomous: you can't type /topic? That is a lousy client. |
| 13:33.22 | resiak | Anynomous: Try typing /topic ? |
| 13:33.23 | Raver_Newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.23 | Raver_Newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.23 | Raver_Newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.28 | asg | Anynomous: p.d.o and others are down for the weekend. |
| 13:33.29 | Anynomous | resiak: nope |
| 13:33.40 | scarynetworkguy | Raver_Newbie: Don't paste in here. |
| 13:33.41 | Anynomous | asg: So .. what to do? |
| 13:33.46 | Raver_Newbie | sorry |
| 13:33.51 | asg | !tell Anynomous about search |
| 13:34.00 | fish_ | re |
| 13:34.06 | Anynomous | asg: : Ahh .. but the machine is no ton the net |
| 13:34.16 | asg | Anynomous: if you got any of that, the /msg bot find ... |
| 13:34.19 | Anynomous | asg: I need to download the packages and put them on a memory stick. |
| 13:34.50 | asg | Anynomous: use the bot to find packages. You might be able to get debs from snapshot.debian.net but there are no guarantees. |
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| 13:35.10 | Guerin | wow, gluck and haydn are down? |
| 13:35.11 | Danar | anyone know how to make xmodmap commands permanent/ |
| 13:35.16 | Anynomous | asg: like |
| 13:35.17 | Anynomous | !find wine |
| 13:35.17 | Anynomous | asg: ? |
| 13:35.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'wine' (14 shown): libwine ;; libwine-alsa ;; libwine-arts ;; libwine-capi ;; libwine-cil ;; libwine-dev ;; libwine-jack ;; libwine-nas ;; libwine-print ;; libwine-twain ;; wine ;; wine-doc ;; wine-utils ;; winesetuptk. |
| 13:35.28 | Anynomous | wow .. do I need all that? |
| 13:35.31 | Guerin | Danar: put them in .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 13:35.32 | pingouin_ | Danar: put it in you .xinitrc ? |
| 13:35.35 | Phated | Not really. |
| 13:35.41 | Phated | You can just get "wine". |
| 13:35.44 | justdust | slackware rules |
| 13:35.46 | Danar | i tried putting it in .xinitrc, but it didn't work |
| 13:35.49 | Guerin | Danar: unless you use gdm or kdm, which don't honour those files |
| 13:35.53 | pingouin_ | slacklol |
| 13:35.56 | Anynomous | Phated: It wont need libwine? |
| 13:35.56 | Danar | someone suggested .xmodmap, but that didn't work either |
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| 13:36.03 | Danar | Guerin: kdm... |
| 13:36.06 | asg | justdust: troll elsewere |
| 13:36.09 | pingouin_ | slacklolware |
| 13:36.09 | Phated | Anynomous: /msg dpkg depends wine |
| 13:36.11 | Danar | so what would i do in that case? |
| 13:36.14 | Guerin | Danar: don't use kdm -> problem solved |
| 13:36.22 | pingouin_ | !start a distro war |
| 13:36.23 | dpkg | Slackware 0wnz! |
| 13:36.26 | pingouin_ | damn ! |
| 13:36.30 | Guerin | Danar: I dunno, ask #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 13:36.35 | pingouin_ | betrayal ! dpkg ! |
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| 13:36.49 | Anynomous | phated : AHhh .. btw. does debian include cedega (or what its name is now, previously wineX, I guess) |
| 13:36.50 | justdust | lmao |
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| 13:36.57 | Phated | Anynomous: No idea. |
| 13:36.58 | scarynetworkguy | Anynomous: Of course not. |
| 13:37.01 | resiak | Anynomous: No, but google for CVSCedega. |
| 13:37.03 | KillerBunny | Whats a good latex compiler? |
| 13:37.13 | Raver_Newbie | ok the drive (and my usb stick) show up in partititions. what next? |
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| 13:37.18 | Guerin | KillerBunny: 'latex' is pretty good |
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| 13:37.26 | scarynetworkguy | KillerBunny: Oddly enough latex. |
| 13:37.30 | Anynomous | ok .. now I know the name of the package |
| 13:37.36 | Anynomous | how do I find it? |
| 13:37.42 | Overand | Anynomous: apt-cache search wine |
| 13:37.49 | Phated | Get it off one of the mirrors? |
| 13:37.58 | Overand | (replae wine with search criteria) |
| 13:38.04 | Guerin | Anynomous: man apt-get; man apt-cache, man apt-file |
| 13:38.11 | Raver_Newbie | man synaptic |
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| 13:38.16 | Anynomous | Phated: mirrors.debian.org ? |
| 13:38.17 | Overand | man love |
| 13:38.17 | Guerin | peh |
| 13:38.30 | Anynomous | nah |
| 13:38.31 | Guerin | Overand: man man |
| 13:38.33 | Overand | i need to write an app with a unix name love |
| 13:38.34 | Phated | Anynomous: I guess, yeah. |
| 13:38.46 | Phated | Squid head! |
| 13:38.51 | Overand | heh |
| 13:38.52 | Overand | man squid |
| 13:38.53 | Overand | OMG! |
| 13:38.54 | Anynomous | phated: Doesn't resolve ... but I'll try and check debian.org .. thanks :) |
| 13:38.59 | scarynetworkguy | *droooooooooooool* |
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| 13:39.16 | Anynomous | scarynetworkguy: Are you drunk, or just out of drugs? |
| 13:39.24 | resiak | Anynomous: s/drugs/squid heads/ |
| 13:39.30 | penta | is there anyway you can get the file from corrupted tar giles |
| 13:39.32 | Phated | Anynomous: Use one of the countries' mirrors or something, you can get the .deb. |
| 13:39.40 | penta | s/giles/files/ |
| 13:39.43 | Anynomous | Phated: Cool :) |
| 13:39.48 | scarynetworkguy | Anynomous: It's going on 48 hours since I last had a squidhead. Or course I'm drooling. |
| 13:40.03 | Phated | Anynomous: He's bloody addicted. Should never have got him any. :) |
| 13:40.14 | Overand | man |
| 13:40.17 | Overand | being out of drugs sucks |
| 13:40.17 | Guerin | it's going on two hours since I last had a drink |
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| 13:40.21 | Guerin | comgratulate me |
| 13:40.26 | scarynetworkguy | No no you should not have. :D |
| 13:40.27 | Guerin | *hic* |
| 13:40.29 | Phated | !win Guerin |
| 13:40.30 | ly | whats the configfile of debtool ? the german server is down and debtool -u does not work :-/ |
| 13:40.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 13:40.33 | Overand | linux is totally the stoner os |
| 13:40.40 | Guerin | Phated: already got several of those |
| 13:40.52 | Phated | Overand: Torvalds probably lived on crack. |
| 13:40.57 | Phated | Guerin: Ah, well... |
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| 13:41.10 | Overand | nah more like meth |
| 13:41.12 | Overand | i mean dude |
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| 13:41.15 | Guerin | fuck |
| 13:41.18 | Overand | have you SEEN richard stallman? |
| 13:41.20 | Anynomous | Darn .. its such a drag using such a inferior OS :/ |
| 13:41.21 | Overand | not that he's 'linux'ish |
| 13:41.24 | Overand | but he is GNU |
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| 13:41.28 | Overand | and my god what a hippie |
| 13:41.29 | si|vercat | how do I set up this vnc-thing to use password authentication rather than permission from the current user? |
| 13:41.30 | Anynomous | !seen richard stallman |
| 13:41.31 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'richard stallman', Anynomous |
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| 13:41.35 | FieldySnuts | richard stallman rules |
| 13:41.36 | Anynomous | !seen rms |
| 13:41.37 | dpkg | Anynomous: i haven't seen 'rms' |
| 13:41.43 | FieldySnuts | ask it "rms?" |
| 13:41.44 | Guerin | I've clicked the little "make a rule and don't ask me again" box and the "permit" button about a hundred times |
| 13:41.44 | Overand | and the concept of recursive acronyms goes beyond dorky and into the realm of psychedelia |
| 13:41.51 | Phated | FieldySnuts: He does. *huggle* |
| 13:41.55 | thomas_adam | Overand: It's also a very old tradition. |
| 13:41.56 | Guerin | and the fucker STILL wants me to OK every bit in and out |
| 13:41.57 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
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| 13:42.14 | MobyTurbo | Overand: recursive acronyms are popular in the LISP community, nothing to do with dope. |
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| 13:42.38 | Guerin | stallman does in fact own |
| 13:42.38 | Anynomous | the homepage is also hard to to navigate .. or .. well, ok .. I'm no good at surfing. |
| 13:42.40 | Raver_Newbie | i can see scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/disc and /part1 an /part5 - how can i mount them? |
| 13:42.45 | Guerin | and he's beautiful, too |
| 13:43.08 | Anynomous | !mirror |
| 13:43.16 | Anynomous | !mirrors |
| 13:43.16 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 13:43.20 | Anynomous | lol |
| 13:43.26 | Anynomous | Why didn't I ask that first? |
| 13:43.41 | Overand | you're saying the lisb community is not related to dope? |
| 13:43.46 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: is there anything you don't know? |
| 13:43.47 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, MobyTurbo |
| 13:43.54 | Overand | man, the biggest ketamine head i know is also the owner of the largest collection of LISP machines I know. |
| 13:43.58 | Anynomous | !mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 13:43.58 | dpkg | okay, Anynomous |
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| 13:44.32 | bazan | is dpkg a bot ? |
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| 13:44.36 | penta | is there anyway to repair corrupted tar files ? |
| 13:44.38 | resiak | !win bazan |
| 13:44.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, bazan! You have won the US presidency! |
| 13:44.40 | Phated | No shit, genius. |
| 13:44.53 | asg | m3k: what nic do you have? |
| 13:44.57 | bazan | ok, thx |
| 13:44.59 | Guerin | penta: depends |
| 13:45.08 | FieldySnuts | Phated: be nice heh. okay don't, i'm just being a troublemaker |
| 13:45.21 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 13:45.27 | m3k | asg: realtek 8139 |
| 13:45.29 | penta | Guerin, i have 2G tar file its has some currupted at the end |
| 13:45.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: rms? |
| 13:45.37 | ravenbird | dpkg: rms |
| 13:45.37 | dpkg | rms is Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" http://www.linuxcare.com/news_columns/interviews/index.epl |
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| 13:45.47 | FieldySnuts | aw that used to be more interesting |
| 13:45.48 | Guerin | penta: that sucks. I don't know if tar has a fixit feature |
| 13:45.49 | asg | m3k: /msg dpkg realtek |
| 13:45.50 | Overand | yeah |
| 13:45.52 | Anynomous | oh .. has sarge been released? |
| 13:45.54 | Overand | total psychedelic user |
| 13:45.55 | FieldySnuts | said something about "probably owns more guns than the NRA" heh |
| 13:45.56 | Guerin | Anynomous: no |
| 13:46.11 | asg | FieldySnuts: that's ESR |
| 13:46.14 | Guerin | yeah |
| 13:46.14 | FieldySnuts | oh! |
| 13:46.17 | FieldySnuts | doh. |
| 13:46.19 | Guerin | rms isn't a gun nut |
| 13:46.23 | Overand | steve balmer? |
| 13:46.24 | resiak | !esr |
| 13:46.24 | dpkg | somebody said esr was a very clever Linux d00d with lots of very interesting philosophical and political texts. a guy who has some ideas about guns and who can't figure out CUPS. The geezer who wrote Cathedral and Bazaar.. Eric S. Raymond, or somebody whose sgeigerbot's computer thinks about when it boots: "ESR value before enabling vector: 00000000" |
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| 13:46.27 | Guerin | he's about intellectual freedom |
| 13:46.29 | enigmus | any idea why I get: (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 13:46.31 | enigmus | ?? |
| 13:46.35 | Anynomous | Guerin: Its hard to navigate the mirrors .. I hope I don't have to download that packages file .. its 12 MEGA bytes .. which equals allmost $2 if I need to download it. |
| 13:46.35 | Guerin | whereas esr is just about chaos |
| 13:46.38 | enigmus | with Xrg |
| 13:46.42 | Overand | !bill gates |
| 13:46.42 | FieldySnuts | nice |
| 13:46.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, bill gates is the creator of all many things that are annoying, insidious, non-free, evil, and annoying. Did I mention annoying? > very annoying. |
| 13:46.57 | resiak | enigmus: Xorg isn't in Debian. |
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| 13:47.35 | Anynomous | I cannot find any packages: http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 13:47.48 | enigmus | resiak: yes. |
| 13:48.12 | resiak | enigmus: So... you say that you want help with Xorg? |
| 13:48.36 | m3k | asg: it says no such device. maybe my nic is different how can I brute force to try loading all the modules under drivers/net |
| 13:48.38 | resiak | enigmus: Sorry, I'm just being a pain in the ass. |
| 13:48.40 | Anynomous | Am I the only one that find it hard to find the packages? |
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| 13:49.01 | asg | m3k: did you try 'modprobe 8139too' ? |
| 13:49.01 | bkhl | I'm trying to get realtime-lsm-module-2.6.8-1-386 going, but 'modprobe realtime' gives me "FATAL: Error inserting realtime (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/security/realtime.ko): Invalid argument". Any clues? |
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| 13:49.22 | enigmus | resiak: well, this problem seems to be particular to debian w/ compiled xorg. Maybe people here have had the same problem. But yes, I know that Xorg is not officially supported. |
| 13:49.27 | m3k | asg: yes |
| 13:49.32 | Guerin | Anynomous: look in 'pool' |
| 13:49.37 | m3k | asg: says 'no such devive' |
| 13:49.41 | m3k | device* |
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| 13:50.12 | asg | m3k: hmmm, same with rtl8139? |
| 13:50.39 | m3k | asg: rtl8139 does not exist |
| 13:51.34 | asg | m3k: and 8139cp ? |
| 13:51.51 | m3k | asg: yes |
| 13:52.17 | asg | m3k: well, the nic modules are in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net |
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| 13:52.38 | m3k | asg: i know, is it possible to brute force |
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| 13:53.06 | asg | m3k: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/net -type f | xargs modprobe |
| 13:53.57 | m3k | asg: won't work |
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| 13:54.12 | PhUrl | debfoster : 1042MB disk space will be freed. :) |
| 13:54.19 | asg | m3k: no, sorry. My mistake |
| 13:54.24 | mythsmith | hi! I'm trying to backup a big folder. The resulting bz2 file is about 800MB, and I don't know how to burn it on a cdr. Is it possible to split/join bz2 arkives w/o corruption? |
| 13:54.46 | Guerin | mythsmith: man split |
| 13:54.47 | PhUrl | you can use split/cat |
| 13:54.48 | Guerin | man cat |
| 13:55.03 | Guerin | mythsmith: but a better way is to use tgar's own spanning mechanisms |
| 13:55.09 | Guerin | err, tar |
| 13:55.36 | mythsmith | Guerin: how? |
| 13:55.50 | Guerin | mythsmith: man tar :) |
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| 13:57.09 | Piru | I can't understand how splitting would somehow corrupt anything. splitting file and joining it later produces 100% the source file that was splitted |
| 13:57.28 | Piru | thus it will always work |
| 13:57.33 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 13:58.00 | Anynomous | Phated: OK :::: I cannot find the packages ... I'll try another mirror - then I'll start to scream and kick the nearby chairs, and howl in pain when I almost break my toes. :P |
| 13:58.07 | Phated | Anynomous: :) |
| 13:58.33 | Piru | naturally using tar's facility might give some nice way to get away from the manual join step |
| 13:58.59 | mythsmith | Guerin: the only line I found in man tar is one for tape's backups: -L, --tape-length N change tapes after writing N*1024 bytes |
| 13:59.08 | Phated | resiak: :) |
| 13:59.30 | mythsmith | Guerin: the only line that seems to help for the problem ;) |
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| 14:00.19 | mythsmith | Piru: which command should I use than to join the bz2 files? |
| 14:00.41 | bkhl | mythsmith: cat |
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| 14:00.50 | Piru | if you used split, then cat |
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| 14:01.37 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | it's a lovely operating system |
| 14:01.43 | Piru | dunno about --tape-length though |
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| 14:01.56 | Anynomous | ahh .. debian/pool .. instead of debian/dists |
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| 14:02.53 | Nolius | somebody know how to make a debian package? |
| 14:02.58 | mythsmith | Piru, bkhl: split/cat do the work without errors, also if I try to split a binary file like a program? |
| 14:03.05 | asg | Nolius: /msg dpkg maint-guide |
| 14:03.34 | resiak | asg: Un, doesn't exist. |
| 14:03.36 | abrotman | oh this totem thing is really really fucking pissing me off now |
| 14:03.37 | asg | Nolius: or rather /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:03.44 | Piru | mythsmith, there is no difference between archive or executable or any file. ALL work the same. |
| 14:03.46 | Overand | hey, there's one thing you can say about win98 |
| 14:03.47 | resiak | abrotman: Still borken? Get with ALSA! |
| 14:03.52 | asg | resiak: it used to *sigh*. Now it's 'mg' ;) |
| 14:03.59 | Overand | you never have dependecy problems when you do an apt-get upgrade on win98 |
| 14:04.08 | Overand | BECUASE YOU CAN'T UPGRADE SHIT |
| 14:04.08 | mythsmith | Piru: thanks |
| 14:04.08 | Piru | mythsmith, file is a file is a file. |
| 14:04.14 | Anynomous | abrotman: Be happy that its better than trying to download debian packages from win98, when packages.debian.org is down.. |
| 14:04.15 | resiak | !maint-guide is <reply> see mg |
| 14:04.15 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 14:04.58 | abrotman | resiak: so .. not .. the problem :) |
| 14:04.59 | Anynomous | Overand: This machine don't even have shit installed, so no reason to upgrade it. :-P |
| 14:05.08 | abrotman | resiak: other gnome apps can play sound |
| 14:05.16 | Nolius | can somebody make a debian package of my software : http://graphmonkey.sourceforge.net/ , please |
| 14:05.19 | abrotman | Anynomous: why? ... just go to a mirror |
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| 14:05.26 | scarynetworkguy | Nolius: You can. |
| 14:05.26 | resiak | abrotman: Can other GStreamer apps play sound? Or are you using Xine? |
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| 14:05.29 | Anynomous | !tell nolius about anyone |
| 14:05.35 | abrotman | Nolius: www.debian.org/wnpp .. i think |
| 14:05.51 | abrotman | so close |
| 14:05.51 | asg | abrotman: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 14:05.54 | abrotman | Nolius: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp .. i think |
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| 14:06.10 | abrotman | Nolius: and you can file an RFP with debian |
| 14:06.17 | plagerism | Whats a good program for backing up to dvd-r?? |
| 14:06.23 | plagerism | I only want a onetime backup |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | Nolius: it's .net? |
| 14:06.35 | resiak | plagerism: cdrecord? |
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| 14:06.51 | bramme | i've downloaded a debian .patch file for GNOME, how do i install it ? ( running it as ./patchfile.patch doesn't work, compiling it into the kernel neither, also patch patchfile.patch doesn't do the job ) |
| 14:06.52 | Nolius | yes it run on mono |
| 14:07.01 | resiak | bramme: I told you to read man patch |
| 14:07.03 | plagerism | resiak, cdrecord will truncate long filenames, will it not?? |
| 14:07.05 | paulswm | Phated: hey, I have eeyore and pooh working to get me $2000 - http://distributed.net/rc5/ |
| 14:07.13 | resiak | plagerism: then tar, followed by cdrecord, perhaps. |
| 14:07.20 | bramme | resiak, my english is really bad, i don't understand it :( |
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| 14:07.29 | Phated | paulswm: Haha. Brilliant. :) |
| 14:07.31 | abrotman | paulswm: beasts of burden!! |
| 14:07.47 | resiak | bramme: Move to the GNOME source directory, run patch -p0 < patchfile.patch |
| 14:07.57 | abrotman | Nolius: you have no idea how to package for debian? |
| 14:08.11 | Phated | paulswm: Awesome. :) |
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| 14:08.23 | paulswm | Phated, abrotman I started installing from the site, then realized it's actually a debian package (distributed-net) |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:08.30 | Phated | paulswm: Hehe. |
| 14:08.54 | _gentgeen_ | I keeping getting "failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: File exists" from my Cron Deamon, can anyone help me solve this? |
| 14:08.56 | Nolius | abrotman, it's my first program on linux |
| 14:08.57 | nix | hi... i have a problem with apt-get |
| 14:09.04 | paulswm | Nothing like putting kid's toys to work 24x7 |
| 14:09.06 | coywolf` | hi, what windows managers and/or desktops are you guys using? |
| 14:09.06 | resiak | nix: Well, elaborate then :) |
| 14:09.07 | abrotman | Nolius: does it run on windows too? |
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| 14:09.12 | resiak | !tell coywolf` -about poll |
| 14:09.19 | sussudio | grr |
| 14:09.19 | asg | paulswm: you could talk directhex|work into running it on his cluster :p |
| 14:09.20 | abrotman | coywolf`: didn't you get banned? |
| 14:09.29 | raorn | morning |
| 14:09.37 | Phated | paulswm: Well... It's for a good cause... :) |
| 14:09.40 | nix | when i try to install a new program apt stop in a ftp url... not connectingų |
| 14:09.43 | Nolius | abrotman: yes i think, never tested |
| 14:09.44 | paulswm | asg: why, I don't want him getting the $2000 |
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| 14:09.47 | scarynetworkguy | That it is. |
| 14:09.49 | sussudio | !ops coywolf` evading +q/+b once again |
| 14:09.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: coywolf` evading +q/+b once again |
| 14:09.51 | abrotman | Nolius: just curious :) |
| 14:09.55 | raorn | who can answer about libapt-pkg internals? |
| 14:10.06 | nix | 141.76.2.4 this is the url of ftp... |
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| 14:10.10 | PhUrl | hey, this debfoster is asking me the samequestions over again.... |
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| 14:10.16 | asg | paulswm: ;) |
| 14:10.18 | PhUrl | when i restarted it. |
| 14:10.19 | sussudio | caphuso: ktnx |
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| 14:10.33 | nix | resiak? |
| 14:10.38 | Phated | Go caphuso go. :) |
| 14:10.40 | resiak | nix? |
| 14:10.48 | Nolius | abrotman, it run on windows if you have mono and gtk# |
| 14:10.49 | resiak | nix: Try another mirror. apt-setup |
| 14:10.56 | paulswm | Phated: I woult like to commandeer piglet, too, but my spouse might not be too happy at me running her new lappy 24x7 |
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| 14:11.13 | Phated | paulswm: Indeed. I'd slyly install it anyway. :) |
| 14:11.19 | scarynetworkguy | Bah. Gotta burn it in. |
| 14:11.29 | nix | what is apt-setup? |
| 14:11.32 | paulswm | Phated: yeah, she'd never know, she's running XP |
| 14:11.32 | abrotman | Nolius: if you file an RFP .. you would be better off .. few people in this channel are DDs |
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| 14:11.50 | abrotman | Nolius: or if you could at least give the packager a package to start from |
| 14:11.59 | Phated | paulswm: My mom's got an old PC somehow, she's letting me build a network with it and mine, once she gets a decent NIC for it. :) |
| 14:12.09 | nix | perhaps i have created some problems with iptables... |
| 14:12.10 | Anynomous | phated: *kisses* thanks for the help! I am clear to go. :-) |
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| 14:12.25 | Anynomous | asg: You2 .. and all the others who helped me! |
| 14:12.31 | asg | Anynomous: you're welcome |
| 14:12.32 | paulswm | Phated: cool, that's great! |
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| 14:12.42 | Phated | Anynomous: Right... No problem... Why aren't you kissing asg too? |
| 14:12.55 | PhUrl | no, it did keep the db. good |
| 14:13.03 | Phated | paulswm: It so is. :) |
| 14:13.07 | scarynetworkguy | Only fair. |
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| 14:13.24 | Phated | The 16-bit one? |
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| 14:13.55 | raorn | is Daniel Burrows here? |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | paulswm: does it have sound? |
| 14:14.09 | paulswm | Phated: yes, still haven't thought of a name. I think we can agree on roo. roo gets to work on the DES algorithm too |
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| 14:14.33 | Phated | paulswm: Schweet. Think I'll throw in blue-nowhere to the efforts too. :) |
| 14:14.37 | paulswm | abrotman: well sort of, very funny, I still haven't set up the Santa Cruz |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | paulswm: slacker |
| 14:14.55 | abrotman | paulswm: don't make me tell dpkg you're a slacker |
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| 14:14.59 | paulswm | abrotman: it beeps OK |
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| 14:15.13 | abrotman | paulswm: heh |
| 14:15.17 | paulswm | :) |
| 14:15.30 | scarynetworkguy | Might as well let raven have a crack at it. |
| 14:15.34 | Phated | paulswm: distributed-net? |
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| 14:16.18 | paulswm | Phated: yes, that's it, quite an easy setup |
| 14:16.24 | Phated | paulswm: Thank you. :) |
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| 14:17.35 | scarynetworkguy | Can't you do like "team" stuff with it? |
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| 14:19.51 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: yes, and increases the odds of winning of course, but then you have to share $1000 with the team if your computer wins |
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| 14:20.28 | caphuso | paulswm: but you can't drink beer for 1000$ alone anyway :) |
| 14:20.34 | abrotman | yes you can |
| 14:20.40 | paulswm | caphuso: wanna bet |
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| 14:21.08 | scarynetworkguy | We should set up a #debian team. |
| 14:21.14 | Phated | Yeah! |
| 14:21.18 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah! |
| 14:21.20 | abrotman | i want asg on my team! |
| 14:21.22 | abrotman | game on! |
| 14:21.25 | Phated | Or #debian-offtopic. Less people to share the loot. :) |
| 14:21.27 | abrotman | pick me pick me |
| 14:21.29 | paulswm | actually, the odds of winning the prize are pretty remote, I just thibk that the concept and project are really cool |
| 14:21.50 | Phated | paulswm: Yeah, why d'you think we're all in the middle of installing it? :) |
| 14:22.07 | nolle | hello |
| 14:22.16 | paulswm | I shouldn't have mentioned it, I should get 10% as a finder's fee |
| 14:22.32 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: We'll work out something fair. Should we win. |
| 14:22.35 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 14:23.02 | abrotman | paulswm: we could give you membership to #debian ? |
| 14:23.07 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: just kidding, heh |
| 14:23.09 | Phated | And -offtopic! |
| 14:23.12 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Heh. |
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| 14:24.08 | abrotman | paulswm: sell your kids!! |
| 14:24.13 | Phated | Dude... |
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| 14:24.19 | paulswm | abrotman: they're too old |
| 14:24.25 | nolle | uhm, about gui's for linux, I want to get one, but don't know where to start, can anyone help? |
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| 14:24.31 | abrotman | paulswm: old enough for mail order bride-ship ? |
| 14:24.34 | Phated | Haha. |
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| 14:24.49 | paulswm | abrotman: heh, their wives might not be too keen |
| 14:24.57 | abrotman | paulswm: hrm .. yeah .. |
| 14:25.03 | Phated | Oooh, male eh? |
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| 14:25.09 | abrotman | give one to phated! |
| 14:25.10 | paulswm | heh |
| 14:25.17 | Phated | :) |
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| 14:26.30 | Madkiss | hi folks. What's the easy method for recording with a BT848-card? |
| 14:26.39 | paulswm | the client runs at nice 19, but it will pound your CPU, so if you have cooling issues watch out for the smoke |
| 14:27.01 | valdyn | nolle: look at www.gnome.org www.kde.org www.xfce.org if you know nothing at all, then install one of those or all: apt-get install x-window-system gnome kde xfce ( not all last 3 at once, that would take _alot_ of time probably |
| 14:27.21 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Join #debian-offtopic. |
| 14:28.07 | nolle | thanks |
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| 14:33.54 | vladster | what do I need to install to start playing with php scripts |
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| 14:34.23 | abrotman | vladster: the php engine |
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| 14:34.35 | vladster | is there a package? |
| 14:34.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:34.40 | asg | vladster: php4 |
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| 14:34.45 | abrotman | vladster: with apache? |
| 14:34.51 | abrotman | vladster: and which version of debian ? |
| 14:34.59 | zhapp | hi.. why does make-kpkg append an 'n' to the end of the kernel name? (all the modules are placed in the /lib/modules/2.6.10n directory) |
| 14:35.12 | vladster | is there a package?eventually, I just want to learn to use it with databases |
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| 14:35.18 | vladster | sarge |
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| 14:35.43 | famagosta | zhapp: you can configure a custom string to be appended to your kernel name...did you say "n" there? |
| 14:35.43 | sr | so |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | vladster: are you running apache2 or no webserver? |
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| 14:36.17 | vladster | no webserver at this time but I may run one in a chroot jail for testing |
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| 14:36.43 | abrotman | vladster: php4-cgi will let you write php4 system scripts |
| 14:36.53 | abrotman | vladster: when you want to use it with apache .. you need a little more |
| 14:36.56 | sr | i think php5 is better |
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| 14:37.03 | abrotman | vladster: apt-cache search php4 |
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| 14:37.12 | zhapp | famagosta no.. I just took a kernel from kernel.org and ran 'make-kpkg --revision=.p1 kernel_image'.. even when I add --append-to-version=test (or what the name is) it gets 'testn' .. ? |
| 14:37.15 | pingouin_ | sr: for a newbi ? ;) |
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| 14:37.29 | abrotman | sr: apparently not everyone agrees |
| 14:37.40 | sr | yes pingouin_ |
| 14:37.41 | norsken | hi :) |
| 14:37.44 | SocketERR | where i have to add my modules paramaters (like io= and irq=), witch file? |
| 14:37.46 | pingouin_ | good ;) |
| 14:38.10 | sr | how about new feutures in php5 |
| 14:38.10 | norsken | anyone got a nice link with info about kernels? |
| 14:38.21 | abrotman | what info about what kernels? |
| 14:38.29 | vchrizz_work | SocketERR: modconf asks you about that |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | sr: is that a question? |
| 14:38.41 | vladster | that would be php4-common right? |
| 14:38.49 | sr | no i mean that`s are so important to learn |
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| 14:39.03 | norsken | abrotman like FAQs on installing kernels, what they are hwo they work. |
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| 14:39.07 | pingouin_ | how can you care about any new features when you did not even not a least an Ŧoldŧ feature....and..sr do you have a lot of scripts that take advantage a php5 really ? |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | sr: yes .. some are good .. but last time i asked #php if it were a good idea to package PHP5 . they said "no, it has stability issuess" |
| 14:39.26 | Boohbah | SocketERR: /etc/modules.d |
| 14:39.27 | asg | not to mention that php5 isn't officially a debian package even in sid |
| 14:39.29 | sr | yes my friend |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | !tell norsken about kp |
| 14:39.46 | SocketERR | Boohbah, vchrizz: thx |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | norsken: after that .. read kerneltrap.org |
| 14:40.08 | Boohbah | SocketERR: errrr, my bad, i forgot i was in #debian lol |
| 14:40.17 | Boohbah | SocketERR: i'm not sure if it is the same... |
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| 14:40.22 | norsken | abrotman Thank you very much, have a lovely day ^^ |
| 14:40.29 | vladster | My test case will be managing my media files |
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| 14:41.14 | SocketERR | Boohbah: no, in debian there is no /etc/modules.d :-) |
| 14:41.26 | vladster | it just grabbed apache in the process |
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| 14:41.45 | tampio | Problem: sarge, bash. When I make a file with script it is root owned, if I change user and group, it won't move to mounted fat drive. If i make a file as a user, it moves to mounted fat drive ? How in bash script created files can be made to someuser owned in first place (during creation) ? |
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| 14:42.26 | vladster | I was going to try a web interface for managing my media files and try breaking it to see where the possible problems come in befre I tryi it on a customer |
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| 14:43.05 | vchrizz_work | uhm, how are the pages saved on debian.org ? i want to create a website in many languages too, but i dont know, if i should save each page in e.g. index.lng.php or just save it as index.php and use variables, where ill put text in defined language .... ? |
| 14:43.07 | vladster | being my own guinea pig so to speak |
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| 14:44.01 | abrotman | vchrizz_work: ask the website maintainers |
| 14:44.04 | nome | hi |
| 14:44.17 | zhapp | whats the best way to mount a a disk on a lan-connected linux box on another linux box? smb? |
| 14:44.29 | nome | how should i say to grub i wanto to boot root on sda1? |
| 14:44.43 | theaptitude | zhapp, i'd use NFS |
| 14:44.54 | nome | root(hd0,0) and root=/dev/sda1? |
| 14:44.58 | zhapp | theaptitude ok.. |
| 14:45.18 | theaptitude | NFS is very reliable and fast |
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| 14:45.24 | common | zhapp: nfs |
| 14:46.11 | zhapp | irritating that you get lots of "need for speed" hits when googling for nfs :) |
| 14:46.13 | Guerin | vchrizz_work: read the page source. I'd suggest asking a web dev channel; this is a pretty generic sort of question. |
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| 14:46.30 | Guerin | zhapp: just use the nfs howto on tldp.org |
| 14:46.40 | zhapp | yeah, just opened that one =) |
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| 14:48.47 | vchrizz_work | Guerin: could you recommend me any web dev channel? |
| 14:48.50 | famagosta | anybody know a mirror for packages.debian.org? |
| 14:49.20 | nvz | famagosta: there isnt one. try it again tomorrow when its back up |
| 14:49.33 | nvz | famagosta: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:50.55 | komplikazione | i need an help with grub ... |
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| 14:51.07 | nvz | apt-get --purge remove grub |
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| 14:51.16 | komplikazione | ? |
| 14:51.26 | nvz | thats what I did last night, helped alot |
| 14:51.30 | nvz | s/alot/a lot/ |
| 14:51.35 | komplikazione | nooo |
| 14:51.51 | komplikazione | and apt-get install lilo ehh? |
| 14:51.57 | nvz | yep |
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| 14:51.59 | sr | you know, when i see the new features in php5 , i find out all my programming job was a stupid game. many design patterns that we cannot write with php4. so i changed all of my cods(thousonds of line) for a good programming. sorry for my bad english. |
| 14:52.03 | komplikazione | i'm using eltorito stage2 |
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| 14:52.05 | Royalbuds | hi, im searching math-software for linux. sth like mathematica would be good |
| 14:52.10 | komplikazione | and lilo hasn't |
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| 14:52.29 | nvz | it was much easier for me to write a 10 line lilo.conf that booted my pc than screw with grub |
| 14:52.35 | zetho | Royalbuds, why not mathematica? |
| 14:52.36 | KillerBunny | So Jane_21f is spamming to now. |
| 14:52.40 | KillerBunny | This is just great. |
| 14:52.42 | zhapp | my wouldn't even boot with grub :) |
| 14:52.46 | zhapp | *mine |
| 14:52.50 | Royalbuds | zetho, is it available for linux? |
| 14:52.54 | komplikazione | nvz: you can't install lilo on a boot cd |
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| 14:52.59 | sr | lilo is simple |
| 14:53.02 | resiak | Royalbuds: Yes. |
| 14:53.04 | zetho | Royalbuds, ofcourse...!!! |
| 14:53.07 | Guerin | !ops Jane_21f spammin |
| 14:53.08 | Guerin | g |
| 14:53.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Jane_21f spammin |
| 14:53.20 | Royalbuds | zetho, but its not freeware. |
| 14:53.22 | resiak | :ops Guerin speling. |
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| 14:53.30 | zetho | Royalbuds, of course |
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| 14:53.47 | Royalbuds | zetho, where can i get it? is there a deb for debian? |
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| 14:53.58 | zetho | but downloadable from e.g emule or other Ronin |
| 14:54.17 | zetho | no.. there's a raw binary file . go install amule and download Royalbuds |
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| 14:55.20 | nvz | that sounds like a real good plan.. go download some foreign binary off a fileswapping network |
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| 14:55.50 | sussudio | s/nvz/zetho/ |
| 14:56.01 | zetho | hehe |
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| 14:57.05 | Guerin | um |
| 14:57.05 | sr | hey myfriends. how can i login to knoppix with root user? |
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| 14:57.13 | Guerin | poland was never part of soviet russia |
| 14:57.13 | zetho | sr sudo su i guess |
| 14:57.22 | Guerin | sr: you ask #knoppix |
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| 14:57.25 | sr | it doesn`t allow me. |
| 14:57.34 | nvz | sr: ask #knoppix |
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| 14:57.54 | sr | yes sorry. |
| 14:57.59 | Guerin | sudo bash |
| 14:58.14 | sr | sudo? how? |
| 14:58.27 | Guerin | man sudo |
| 14:58.33 | nvz | last I used knoppix, like years ago, the console on tty1 was already logged in as root |
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| 14:58.40 | sr | yes. tanx a lot |
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| 14:59.18 | zetho | there;s a new more lightweight distro like knoppix , its "Gnoppix" |
| 14:59.25 | sr | no with console you can but with kde no. |
| 14:59.28 | zetho | based od gnome. not kde. (i don't use both :) ) |
| 14:59.29 | nvz | who cares |
| 14:59.42 | Guerin | don't login to kde as root |
| 14:59.46 | Guerin | just ddon't |
| 15:00.09 | nvz | last I checked anything in kde that needed root privlages could gain them. |
| 15:00.16 | nvz | like kcontrol or whatever |
| 15:00.17 | sr | i know linux my friend |
| 15:00.19 | zetho | i dont know if there's even an option to log into kde as root |
| 15:00.28 | djuuss | there is kdesu |
| 15:00.43 | djuuss | if you want to run kwrite (i.e.) as root, run kdesu kwrite |
| 15:00.54 | sr | han |
| 15:01.09 | sr | that`s what i want |
| 15:02.04 | sr | Guerin , iknow linux so i can take care of my self |
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| 15:02.50 | zetho | sr asking that question made you nwb :) |
| 15:02.59 | nvz | your ignorance is showing |
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| 15:03.40 | sr | :) |
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| 15:03.49 | PhUrl | 600 mb freed!!!! thanks again thomas_adam, asg |
| 15:03.54 | cirkit | what kernel version does debian woody 3.0 use? |
| 15:04.00 | nvz | zetho: talking like that makes you a newbie.. asking a question like that makes him a troll. He should be in #knoppix |
| 15:04.06 | sr | teach me my friend |
| 15:04.19 | nvz | cirkit: 2.2.20-idepci and 2.4.18-bf24 are on the cd |
| 15:04.23 | Guerin | sr: if you knew linux, you wouldn't need to use kde as root. |
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| 15:04.43 | cirkit | nvz, no 2.6.10? |
| 15:04.47 | zetho | nvz you're right. i dont distinguish between theese sophisticated irc sths ;/ |
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| 15:04.56 | PhUrl | and thanks Guerin |
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| 15:05.13 | sr | but every job i want to do ask me root password |
| 15:05.14 | nvz | cirkit: nope 2.6.10 came out this year, woody came out like two years ago.. thats against debian policy |
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| 15:05.39 | nvz | cirkit: you cannot add new stuff to a frozen distro. only backported security patches |
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| 15:05.58 | Guerin | sr: so run a root shell, ftlog |
| 15:06.03 | kekostar | hi |
| 15:06.06 | djuuss | Guerin: i like beeing root in kde now and then, graphical editors for configfiles :) |
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| 15:06.16 | kekostar | hey.. how i can copu all files in directory what exist and paste to another place.. |
| 15:06.16 | Guerin | djuuss: bad |
| 15:06.30 | Guerin | djuuss: anything on X as root is Bad and Wrong |
| 15:06.40 | Guerin | djuuss: and graphical editors are evil, too |
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| 15:06.54 | kekostar | somethink likethis cp .* /home/user/public_html |
| 15:06.55 | djuuss | hehe |
| 15:06.57 | nvz | cirkit: you are free to build your own kernel if you must have the latest. I built 2.6.10 and 2.4.29 packages for my pcs, though I ended up going with the 2.4 kernels. |
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| 15:07.33 | kekostar | what is command to select all files in folder |
| 15:07.42 | nvz | kekostar: select? |
| 15:07.44 | Guerin | kekostar: he just told you |
| 15:07.47 | nvz | kekostar: folder? |
| 15:07.49 | sr | yes Guerin i do that mny times(root shel) |
| 15:07.56 | Guerin | kekostar: but easier to just do man tar |
| 15:08.16 | djuuss | Hail the tech-conservatives |
| 15:08.20 | kekostar | i want to copy my public_html files to another place.. or |
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| 15:08.34 | nvz | Guerin: there is a command to "select" all files in a "folder" ? |
| 15:09.00 | kekostar | but not folder.. ;) |
| 15:09.30 | Guerin | nvz: in the context of what he meant... |
| 15:10.14 | nvz | I have no clue what he meant. unless he means Ctrl+A in Windows Explorer |
| 15:10.55 | kekostar | im am in my old folder (public_html) i want to copy those files in my new public_html |
| 15:11.06 | kekostar | i wat cp only files not all folder.. |
| 15:11.21 | nvz | dpkg, folder? |
| 15:11.21 | dpkg | folder is, like, a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 15:11.29 | Guerin | kekostar: man cp |
| 15:11.33 | Ronin | someones being very ar this morning i see nvz |
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| 15:11.48 | sr | bye. i learned many things. |
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| 15:12.13 | kekostar | dpkg :D same shit but in different packet ;) |
| 15:12.13 | dpkg | kekostar: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:12.33 | nvz | dpkg: botsnack |
| 15:12.33 | dpkg | nvz: :) |
| 15:12.44 | nvz | I dont know what the heck he's talking about either |
| 15:12.52 | kekostar | hahaha |
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| 15:13.05 | kekostar | lol |
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| 15:13.18 | nvz | dpkg, lol? |
| 15:13.18 | dpkg | [lol] Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
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| 15:14.56 | kekostar | dpkg: stfu? |
| 15:14.56 | dpkg | from memory, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 15:16.06 | nvz | or not |
| 15:16.21 | nvz | I guess I got to install smbfs and samba-common first :P |
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| 15:17.04 | nvz | kekostar: try !yinzersmite nvz, its my personal smite. Quite tasteful, though it could use a little work. |
| 15:17.14 | DaCa | vipe: good for you :) |
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| 15:18.25 | kekostar | naah try you ;) im kind of bizi ;) |
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| 15:18.27 | nvz | heh, well your spelling has earned you the right. |
| 15:18.32 | nvz | !yinzersmite kekostar |
| 15:19.28 | kekostar | hahaha sure! |
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| 15:20.12 | nvz | doh.. I dont even have a samba server anymore |
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| 15:21.10 | nvz | no big deal really, just change the IP of that box, install samba, and restore the configs from the old server |
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| 15:23.41 | rednecktek | openswan nat_traversal does not apply cleanly. I've tried to manually patch, but ended up with a duplicate member af_udp in sock.h |
| 15:23.51 | rednecktek | has anyone gotten this to work? |
| 15:24.01 | revenger_ | uhm... who'S responsible for the debian mirrors? :P |
| 15:24.08 | revenger_ | there's a paris hilton porn on it hehe |
| 15:24.16 | abrotman | is there? |
| 15:24.22 | abrotman | which mirror? |
| 15:24.24 | revenger_ | yes |
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| 15:24.35 | revenger_ | ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 15:24.35 | abrotman | email .. uhm .. admin@server i guess |
| 15:24.40 | abrotman | oh .. that's bad |
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| 15:24.46 | saerdna | what did you say the apt package for compiling packages was named? |
| 15:25.03 | abrotman | revenger_: nice .. |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | right in /pub |
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| 15:25.22 | revenger_ | hehe |
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| 15:25.58 | revenger_ | think that is part of lesbian linux maybe :) |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | revenger_: i guess file a bug against the ft site |
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| 15:26.11 | fatal_ | saerdna: dpkg-dev has dpkg-buildpackage which is normally used for building source packages...... I guess there's an apt frontend for that too... apt-build? |
| 15:26.38 | saerdna | i jsut need something so i can compile a kernel |
| 15:26.54 | saerdna | i think the package were named blablautils or something |
| 15:26.57 | saerdna | including make etc |
| 15:27.02 | abrotman | revenger_: maybe it's there on purpose? |
| 15:27.06 | Phated | !b-e saerdna |
| 15:27.14 | Phated | Pft. |
| 15:27.19 | saerdna | Phated: O_o |
| 15:27.19 | Phated | saerdna: build-essential. |
| 15:27.22 | fatal_ | saerdna: build-essentials depends on all the regular build tools. |
| 15:27.23 | saerdna | thanks |
| 15:28.12 | sussudio | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2003-02-07 |
| 15:28.16 | abrotman | revenger_: well .. hopefully you'll enjoy it :) |
| 15:28.42 | revenger_ | abrotman: it's funny :) |
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| 15:28.54 | nvz | woot |
| 15:29.01 | abrotman | revenger_: funny how? |
| 15:29.20 | revenger_ | well to find porn on a debian mirror.. last thing I'd expect ;) |
| 15:29.39 | Boohbah | revenger_: so who put the pron on the mirror? |
| 15:29.54 | otavio | I'm having problems with the sound on my knopix/debian with cm8738 sound card. Here's the output when I try to run alsamixer: alsamixer |
| 15:29.54 | otavio | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 15:29.57 | dpkg | saerdna: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 15:30.04 | revenger_ | Boohbah: no idea |
| 15:30.24 | revenger_ | maybe someone mistaked it with a debian conference in paris :) |
| 15:30.30 | Boohbah | revenger: did you tell the admin? |
| 15:30.49 | saerdna | dpkg: been there done that |
| 15:30.49 | dpkg | saerdna: are you smoking crack? |
| 15:30.55 | otavio | Is there a channel for sound problems? |
| 15:31.06 | nvz | otavio: there is #knoppix |
| 15:31.06 | revenger_ | Boohbah: well I came here to ask if there's anyone who's responsible for the mirrors.. |
| 15:31.18 | saerdna | whats the name of the ncurses libraries? |
| 15:31.27 | caphuso | saerdna: libncurses5-dev |
| 15:31.53 | abrotman | revenger_: not in this channel |
| 15:32.00 | abrotman | revenger_: is there like an ftp-master list? |
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| 15:32.11 | Munnu | valitettavasti noi kirjanpitovirheet huomaa suht. helposti. :| |
| 15:32.16 | Munnu | oops. |
| 15:32.21 | revenger_ | abrotman: nope |
| 15:32.24 | nvz | dpkg, polish? |
| 15:32.24 | dpkg | [polish] spoken in #debian.pl (not here). Or something used to make things shiny, or a really good sausage. polska -> #debian.pl |
| 15:32.25 | revenger_ | don't see anything |
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| 15:34.02 | abrotman | revenger_: i see a debian-mirrors list |
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| 15:34.17 | Ronin | go up more levels abrotman its there :) |
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| 15:35.03 | BSM | hi, i've installed RAID on root, but now i don't have DMA :( it's the funny thing with "Operation not permitted". the modules loaded are exactly the same, anyone any ideas? |
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| 15:35.41 | abrotman | Ronin: what is? |
| 15:35.43 | Gecko | How can I do so that a program automatically will be restarted if it dies? |
| 15:35.56 | abrotman | revenger_: also a debian-www |
| 15:36.00 | Ronin | im assuming you were looking to see if the movies on the mirror |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | Ronin: i found it .. |
| 15:36.16 | abrotman | Ronin: i wasn't looking to download freakish german porn |
| 15:36.23 | revenger_ | german?! |
| 15:36.28 | abrotman | .de |
| 15:36.35 | revenger_ | well from germany :P |
| 15:36.38 | revenger_ | but it's not german |
| 15:36.45 | abrotman | i know |
| 15:36.47 | abrotman | it was a joke |
| 15:36.56 | revenger_ | wonder if it's available with apt-get now :P |
| 15:36.57 | si|vercat | what does NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME mean? |
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| 15:37.32 | paulswm | Gecko: put a shell script around it to catch the exit code and loop round to start it again, but allow one exit code to fall though so you can really kill it if you need to |
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| 15:37.35 | fatal_ | si|vercat: maybe something is wrong with the name of your "workgroup"? |
| 15:37.42 | paulswm | s/though/through/ |
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| 15:38.21 | Twitching_Fool | say ive made a kernel the debian way, and ive missed a module, do i have to start from the beginning? |
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| 15:38.37 | ryushe | did an update/upgrade last week, ever since my /dev is no longer being used and has been replaced by a /.dev/ which has different content. This a known issue? |
| 15:38.37 | revenger_ | hmm.. |
| 15:38.44 | abrotman | revenger_: i'm sure if you send an email to debian-devel .. someone will get on it |
| 15:39.01 | revenger_ | I'll try :) |
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| 15:40.10 | Blitx | hey folks |
| 15:40.25 | si|vercat | fatal_, no, I'm pretty sure its right. |
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| 15:41.46 | Blitx | I finally installed sarge last week, but for some reason it didn't come with X or KDE or anything by default. I used tasksel to install X, KDE, and Gnome, but it still wouldn't work. |
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| 15:42.15 | Blitx | X would work, but it would just bring up that gray space with the cursor and no desktop manager (KDM and GDM didn't work) |
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| 15:42.28 | ryushe | anyone any idea on the /dev <-> /.dev issue? |
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| 15:42.49 | Blitx | I also noticed that tasksel had installed a lot of extra servers and such. Now tasksel is broken. |
| 15:42.51 | Blitx | Any ideas? |
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| 15:44.21 | xtof | Hi, I have taken pictures of cars at different positions, and I want to make a little movie with these... Any idea about an application for that? |
| 15:44.43 | Blitx | I wonder if you could wine windows movie maker =) |
| 15:44.54 | ryushe | why would you want to? :) |
| 15:45.00 | tarzeau | xtof: imagemagick, mencoder ? |
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| 15:45.21 | tarzeau | xtof: how many pictures? |
| 15:45.35 | hever | Hello there, by installing netbeans, I got the following error: "The installer is unable to run in graphical mode. " I got from the sun homepage the tip: If your DISPLAY environment variable is not correctly set, type the following command in a C shell: setenv DISPLAY your-local-host:0.0. My question is, what is such a "C-Shell" ? I typed in csh and typed in the command but netbeans installation occours the same error during installation out |
| 15:45.36 | hever | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:46.08 | xtof | Blitx, thanks, but... No :-) tarzeau about 50 picts -> 20 seconds for final 'movie' |
| 15:46.15 | rux | hi. can anyone tell me what to do when k3b doesnt want to start burning and only ejects the cd with the message "no medium" |
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| 15:46.32 | asg | rux: #debian-kde might |
| 15:46.45 | rux | thank you |
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| 15:47.00 | scarynetworkguy | rux: Put a blank CD-R in the drive? |
| 15:47.03 | asg | hever: are you trying to install it as root? |
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| 15:47.19 | rux | yes |
| 15:47.20 | hever | asg, yes |
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| 15:47.26 | asg | hever: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 15:47.30 | rux | it is blank |
| 15:47.34 | Blitx | no clue on my sarge problem? |
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| 15:48.28 | rux | scarynetworkguy: 2 hours before he accepted a cd but k3b said "it is a 700 mb disc" but i put in a 800 mb ?! |
| 15:48.51 | xtof | tarzeau, thanks for the tips |
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| 15:49.38 | tarzeau | xtof: np |
| 15:50.14 | Guerin | rux: try a different cd |
| 15:50.44 | Blitx | I guess I should just reinstall? I noticed that tasksel in my copy of sarge only had like 5 options, no X desktop option or anything. |
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| 15:51.18 | hever | asg I tried export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority but theinstallation also won't work and when I'm running it as normal user is also won'T work. |
| 15:51.33 | asg | hever: does it give you the same error when run as a normal user? |
| 15:51.40 | hever | asg, yes |
| 15:51.42 | si|vercat | how do I make all my buttons work with the logitech mouse? |
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| 15:52.06 | asg | hever: what does 'echo $DISPLAY' show as a normal user? |
| 15:52.13 | Blitx | time to fix some bugs |
| 15:52.39 | hever | asg, ':0,0' |
| 15:52.42 | Anthro | I'm having a problem with recharging my thinkpad. The klaptop battery monitor tooltip is showing that it is plugged in and 42% charged. A left-click on the battery monitor says it's charging. It has been at 42% for about 30 minutes, though, and doesn't actually seem to be charging. Is there some software way to tell the laptop to charge its battery? |
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| 15:52.59 | Souris | Hello everybody |
| 15:53.02 | bazan | Hey did you see that: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/30/1433226&from=rss |
| 15:53.02 | Anthro | I'm using 2.6.10 with the ibm_acpi module. |
| 15:53.31 | asg | hever: hmmm, that looks right |
| 15:53.40 | owlmanatt | Is there a debian package for php4-mysql that works with apache2? Can't find anything on apt-cache, and the usual php4-mysql doesn't seem to work with apache2. |
| 15:53.57 | bazan | Microsoft Opening Office XML Formats |
| 15:53.59 | Anthro | bazan: Sure. Talk to the OOo people if you'd like to write XSLT to go from one format to another. |
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| 15:54.25 | bazan | Anthro: ok, thx for the advise |
| 15:54.36 | hever | asg, when I got root with su $DISPLAY = ':0.0' and when I got root with su - $DISPLAY is empty |
| 15:54.36 | asg | owlmanatt: install libapache2-mod-php4 and then php4-mysql should work just fine. |
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| 15:55.08 | asg | hever: that's because 'su -' inherets root's environment (which isn't running X), the former keeps the user's environment which is. |
| 15:55.39 | asg | hever: the only thing I can think of is that the sun netbeans installer is assuming that your X is listening on 6000 on tcp which Debian's X doesn't do by default for security reasons. |
| 15:55.49 | hever | asg, Sun tells me: If your DISPLAY environment variable is not correctly set, type the following command in a C shell: setenv DISPLAY your-local-host:0.0 |
| 15:56.16 | asg | hever: in bash, you would do 'export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0' but that won't work since Debian's X doesn't listen on tcp by default. |
| 15:56.19 | saerdna | is there any mirror to packages.debian.org? it has been down for some time |
| 15:56.41 | Souris | I tried to install sarge. But my hd controller don't work. It is a hpt302. Can someone help me a little bit :-) |
| 15:56.48 | asg | Souris: try #debian-boot |
| 15:57.12 | Souris | Thanks, will try it.... |
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| 15:57.20 | owlmanatt | asg: Huh, tried that twice, even cleaned the packages I had locally out and redownloaded it. My scripts that don't use mysql work fine, but ones that do are blank, and that's what it was doing last night before I had installed php4-mysql under apache1.3. |
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| 15:57.37 | hever | asg, but why TCP and networking.... I don't understand this because I gonna it install just local on my pc |
| 15:57.44 | si|vercat | is there an easier way to enable evdev for X than using patches? |
| 15:57.48 | MobyTurbo | saerdna: apt-cache search and apt-cache show. ;-) |
| 15:58.01 | Guerin | saerdna: no. Wait. |
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| 15:58.21 | asg | hever: because sun X servers by default listen for connections on tcp/6000 and this is a sun product and, therefore, probably making some odd-assed assumption. |
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| 15:58.43 | asg | owlmanatt: does 'extension=mysql.so' exist in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini? (should be near the bottom.) |
| 15:58.48 | asg | owlmanatt: if not, add it and restart apache2 |
| 15:58.54 | Anthro | si|vercat: You should not need any patches to make XF86 use a /dev/input/event? device. |
| 15:59.11 | hever | asg, hmmm..... I've got installed debian. Ehm and what should I do now ? setting X up to listen on TCP/6000 ? |
| 15:59.25 | ryushe | I did an update last week and ever since my /dev/ got unused and replaced by /.dev/ df shows /dev is mounted on /.dev and none mounted on /dev. Is this an issue, and if so, where can I fix the mountpoint as /etc/fstab doesn't show it? |
| 15:59.35 | asg | hever: you could try. If you use 'startx' to start X, edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 15:59.42 | Anthro | si|vercat: What sort of device are you trying to use? |
| 15:59.50 | asg | hever: if you use a *dm, find out how it starts the X server and remove the -nolisten tcp line |
| 15:59.56 | nvz | eww, X listening on tcp |
| 16:00.12 | owlmanatt | asg: Oh, hah, of course. It was commented out. I thought it would still be using the same config...thanks. |
| 16:00.18 | asg | hever: be sure to add it back whether your program installs or not (for security reasons.) |
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| 16:00.23 | asg | owlmanatt: you're welcome |
| 16:00.29 | dark_light | dpkg ruby? |
| 16:00.29 | dpkg | i guess ruby is a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com |
| 16:00.38 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 16:00.46 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Hey. |
| 16:00.53 | thomas_adam | Hey, Ray. |
| 16:00.56 | thomas_adam | How's things? |
| 16:00.57 | scarynetworkguy | How ya been? |
| 16:00.58 | rux | is it possible that there are problems when using cdrecord and 2.6.10? |
| 16:01.00 | asg | thomas_adam: do you click your heels three times as well? :) |
| 16:01.02 | thomas_adam | Busy. |
| 16:01.08 | einsteinmg | rux: jea :( |
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| 16:01.19 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Great. Just back from vacation and have 2 more days of slacking off before I have to go back to work. :) |
| 16:01.21 | nvz | rux: its possible there are problems with 2.6 and everything ;) |
| 16:01.22 | einsteinmg | none of my cd/dvd burners is working anymore |
| 16:01.27 | famagosta | rux: i have troubles too on that |
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| 16:01.33 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: School? |
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| 16:01.43 | rux | hm, no fix available? |
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| 16:01.43 | thomas_adam | asg: ruby -e '3.times() { puts "There's no place like $HOME" }' |
| 16:01.46 | nvz | rux: thats why sane people use 2.4 which has 29 revisions unless there is good reason to do otherwise |
| 16:01.50 | asg | !thomas_adam++ |
| 16:02.03 | Clusty | is there any packet cd writing/reading software for linux? |
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| 16:02.07 | famagosta | rux: i still got cdrdao running to burn audio cds, perhaps you can adjust it to data trax, i never tried |
| 16:02.08 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Well, University. Yes. |
| 16:02.08 | hever | asg, at the moment I'm logged in in gnome... I think I must restart X now, or not ? could I use crtl+alt+backspace and I'll be back in gnome and x is restarted ? |
| 16:02.10 | Anthro | nvz: ...such as having a recent machine. |
| 16:02.37 | thomas_adam | hever: You can do, yes. |
| 16:02.38 | nvz | Anthro: what about a recent machine would require 2.6? they shipping with SATA now? |
| 16:02.41 | asg | hever: well, you'll need to look at /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf (or somesuch) and modify its lines that start the X server to remove the '-nolisten tcp' bit |
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| 16:02.56 | Anthro | nvz: Well, there's the ibm_acpi module for thinkpads. |
| 16:03.04 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Ahh. All school to us dumb .usians. |
| 16:03.19 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Heh. That's harsh on yourself. In fact... |
| 16:03.31 | einsteinmg | hmmm.... it seems 2.6.10-1-k7 has problems with my dvd drive |
| 16:03.44 | asg | einsteinmg: did 2.6.9 have issues? |
| 16:03.49 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Meh. Just playing around. |
| 16:03.50 | nvz | I built myself a 2.6.10 and 2.4.29 kernels for this machine, and it was not hard at all to decide which one I would use |
| 16:03.52 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/university.txt |
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| 16:03.55 | owlmanatt | asg: Again, thanks, my web server no longer stops sending requests after a few minutes. <3 Apache2. Thanks, man. |
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| 16:04.00 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Excuse the mime.... |
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| 16:04.26 | Anthro | nvz: My thinkpad is *way* more functional with the stock Debian 2.6.10 than any 2.4 kernel. |
| 16:04.29 | einsteinmg | asg: im currently installing 2.6.9-5 |
| 16:04.38 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Of course. |
| 16:04.45 | asg | einsteinmg: hmmm, and that works with your dvd drive? |
| 16:04.58 | einsteinmg | i'll try it out |
| 16:04.59 | rux | but i have already burned cds with 2.6 |
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| 16:05.08 | einsteinmg | asg: currently nothing works |
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| 16:05.10 | valentinos | how i can access the webadmin of courier ? |
| 16:05.17 | nvz | Anthro: well I built many of the earlier 2.6 kernels without problems on many different pcs. Lately the problems outweigh any presumable advantage |
| 16:05.19 | ryushe | anyone on the /dev/ <-> /.dev/ problem? If not, please tell me to sod off and rtfm or something ... ;) |
| 16:05.23 | einsteinmg | even a no dd :( |
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| 16:05.35 | einsteinmg | Jan 30 16:44:50 god kernel: hdb: command error: error=0x54 |
| 16:05.36 | einsteinmg | Jan 30 16:44:50 god kernel: ide: failed opcode was 100 |
| 16:05.36 | einsteinmg | Jan 30 16:44:50 god kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 1431528 |
| 16:05.36 | einsteinmg | Jan 30 16:44:50 god kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 178941 |
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| 16:05.43 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Heh. Yeah I've only learned the .uk terms in the past few months. Makes much more sense than our system truth be told. |
| 16:05.43 | asg | ouch |
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| 16:07.01 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: You wouldn't say that if you were here... :) |
| 16:07.07 | einsteinmg | asg: and cdrecord kills every cd-rw |
| 16:07.15 | thomas_adam | brb. |
| 16:07.26 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: This is likely to be true. |
| 16:07.28 | hever | asg, I restarted but it also won't work :( |
| 16:07.29 | einsteinmg | after burning with new kernel, cdrecord -blank=fast => no/wrong disc |
| 16:07.35 | scarynetworkguy | The gras is always greener and all that stuff. |
| 16:07.43 | scarynetworkguy | s/gras/grass |
| 16:07.45 | asg | hever: does 'ps ax | grep X' indicate X is running with -nolisten tcp or not? |
| 16:07.50 | hever | asg, I got still the errormessage: .The installer is unable to run in graphical mode. Try running the installer with the -console or -silent flag. |
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| 16:08.03 | asg | scarynetworkguy: one Sheltenack's juppleberry shrub is a more mauvy shade of pinky russet. |
| 16:08.18 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Heh. |
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| 16:08.42 | Guerin | !confuse me |
| 16:08.42 | dpkg | No, those was your pants today, guerin? lederhosen of the people's republic of mongolia with extra ham |
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| 16:08.49 | netsurfer | guys... having a bit of a problem with my IDE cdrom drive.. i have installed Sarge on a scsi hard drive, when I try to mount the cdrom I get error: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 78 |
| 16:08.51 | Guerin | i think asg did a better job |
| 16:09.07 | Guerin | netsurfer: fucked drive or medium |
| 16:09.07 | hever | asg, theres a line: 3240 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/Xprt -ac -pn -nolisten tcp -audit 4 -fp /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 16:09.13 | asg | Guerin: from Douglas Adams, translates to 'the grass is always greener on the other side.' |
| 16:09.23 | netsurfer | Guerin - its the drive and medium I used for the netinstall of sarge |
| 16:09.24 | Guerin | asg: hah, nice. |
| 16:09.27 | asg | hever: then you didn't manage to configure gdm to start X without that option. |
| 16:09.31 | Guerin | netsurfer: so? |
| 16:09.39 | netsurfer | Guerin - so its NOT fucked |
| 16:09.41 | asg | hever: you could always just use -console and install it in text mode. |
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| 16:09.52 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: You've never read HHGTG? |
| 16:10.17 | hever | asg, that doesn't work and sun tells don't use this flag because is doesn't work... |
| 16:10.23 | Guerin | netsurfer: an i/o error while reading means it's unable to get the data off the medium. The two leading causes of this are a fucked drive or medium. |
| 16:10.24 | asg | hever: figures |
| 16:10.29 | hever | asg, ?! |
| 16:10.30 | Guerin | In this case it might just be dirty... |
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| 16:10.46 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I'm a peasant when it comes to scifi |
| 16:10.57 | Guerin | i have read it, but it was a looong time ago |
| 16:10.59 | asg | hever: okay, shutdown gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm stop). Login to console, edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc. Remove the '-nolisten tcp' flag from the line in that file. Type startx. Try running the installer. |
| 16:11.00 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I see. |
| 16:11.01 | Guerin | when I was a kid |
| 16:11.05 | netsurfer | Guerin - i had the error on the previous install, I removed the scsi hard disk and installed sarge on a new one, same problem. so its NOT the cd or drive |
| 16:11.06 | hever | asg, in the gdm.conf there was just on line with tcp DisallowTCP = false... |
| 16:11.25 | asg | hever: was it commented out? (did it have a '#' in front of it?) |
| 16:11.26 | Neoteric | so what happened to all the unstable pkgs? and would it be a real bad idea to do an upgrade? |
| 16:11.35 | netsurfer | further error: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) |
| 16:11.40 | asg | Neoteric: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 16:11.52 | Guerin | netsurfer: what kernel? |
| 16:11.55 | hever | asg, I commented already the -nolisten tcp flag in the xserverrc out... |
| 16:12.00 | netsurfer | 2.4.29 |
| 16:12.12 | hever | asg, no in the gdm.conf it is not commented out (disallow..) |
| 16:12.18 | Guerin | netsurfer: funky. Maybe ask lkml or debian-user |
| 16:12.20 | asg | hever: right but that isn't touched by gdm, only by startx |
| 16:12.25 | ryushe | are there any other debian "help" channels on freenode? |
| 16:12.37 | asg | ryushe: a few that are topical |
| 16:12.55 | asg | ryushe: oh, and the new ##debian touchy-feely because we are supposedly a bunch of mean bastards channel |
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| 16:13.07 | hever | asg, I have to comment DisallowTCP=false out ? |
| 16:13.18 | ryushe | looking for a channel topical about swapping /dev/ and /.dev oddities going on on my machine |
| 16:13.30 | ryushe | asg screw the faint hearted ;) |
| 16:13.39 | asg | hever: no, that should be right. |
| 16:13.45 | asg | hever: did you restart gdm after making the change? |
| 16:13.48 | Guerin | ryushe: that's what we say too. |
| 16:14.05 | ryushe | heh |
| 16:14.08 | Guerin | anyway, my weekend of debauchery has ended, now I get to sleep. |
| 16:14.12 | Guerin | yay! |
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| 16:14.26 | hever | asg, I made no changes to the gdm.conf.. just to the X server... and I just typed the key combinadion strg-alt-backspace |
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| 16:14.38 | asg | ryushe: I'd expect it's probably something to do with udev borkage or some knoppixness. |
| 16:14.54 | scarynetworkguy | asg: Take a look at this mixer. http://www.altonbrown.com/pages/rants.html |
| 16:14.56 | asg | hever: that won't work, you need to fully restart X (/etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 16:15.01 | ryushe | no knoppixness, I don't touch that besides on cd every once a year ;) |
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| 16:15.04 | nvz | !yinzersmite asg |
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| 16:15.23 | hever | asg, ok then I gonna do this, thanks see you then |
| 16:15.31 | asg | scarynetworkguy: hah, that rocks. |
| 16:15.38 | busfahrer | Hi, is there a part of the ftp that I can download to my local ftp in order to install via the net-installer a very basic install of debian? |
| 16:15.54 | asg | nvz: hah |
| 16:16.01 | scarynetworkguy | asg: *nod* |
| 16:16.11 | _gentgeen_ | I have a script that used fdformat /dev/fd0H1440, but my debian box has /dev/fd0h1440 -- is there any difference? |
| 16:16.53 | nvz | _gentgeen_: yeah the 'H' and the 'h' |
| 16:17.01 | Oddi | .doh |
| 16:17.14 | Oddi | i don't think so, _gentgeen_ |
| 16:17.21 | _gentgeen_ | nvz, :-) That is what I figured :-) |
| 16:18.02 | _gentgeen_ | Read I read the fdformat man -- they also us H , so was not sure if it was important or not -- |
| 16:18.14 | _gentgeen_ | correction -- when I read ... |
| 16:18.22 | netsurfer | what is the modulename for ide/atapi cdrom ? |
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| 16:20.17 | _gentgeen_ | Same script is used for making a MS-DOS format floppy, I am altering to do an ext3 disk, should I keep the 'fdformat' before doing a ext3 format? |
| 16:20.37 | hever | asg, I'm back. restarted the whole system to be sure all will be restarted but I got still the same error :( |
| 16:21.06 | green_earz | busfahrer: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ ? |
| 16:21.48 | MobyTurbo | _gentgeen_: you are trying to make an ext3 floppy? The journal alone is too big for that. Use "minix" for a floppy, or fat. |
| 16:22.03 | asg | hever: odd, does 'ps ax | grep X' still show '-nolisten tcp' ? |
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| 16:22.25 | _gentgeen_ | MobyTurbo, I can't do 'mkfs -t ext3 /dev/fd0 1440' ??? |
| 16:22.43 | asg | hever: if not, try 'DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 ./installer-thingy' and see if that helps |
| 16:22.52 | MobyTurbo | _gentgeen_: there's a possibility you can but it's a really Bad Idea. |
| 16:22.59 | hever | asg, oh yes sry. 3271 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/Xprt -ac -pn -nolisten tcp -audit 4 -fp /usr |
| 16:23.01 | niktaris | is variable lang=us (with small letteres) valid? |
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| 16:23.28 | caphuso | niktaris: valid yes. useful no |
| 16:23.43 | asg | hever: then gdm is being silly. Try just starting X with 'startx' (after stopping gdm) and seeing if that helps. If not, I don't know. |
| 16:23.48 | _gentgeen_ | MobyTurbo, then what is the "prefered" format for a Linux floppy? ext2? minix? |
| 16:24.30 | Gathond | _gentgeen_: usually fat12 :) |
| 16:24.42 | niktaris | caphuso, I now of LANG but not lang. So lang does not efect the system? |
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| 16:26.06 | caphuso | niktaris: no |
| 16:26.33 | saerdna | ring ring ring banana phone |
| 16:26.45 | niktaris | caphuso that's good |
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| 16:28.29 | doub | hi there |
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| 16:30.02 | sgeigerbot | hello? |
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| 16:31.44 | tactless | I can't get fontconfig to behave... |
| 16:31.50 | tactless | How would I alias "Sans" to Luxi Sans? |
| 16:31.52 | nvz | sgeigerbot: nope, this isnt #knoppix :P |
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| 16:33.03 | sgeigerbot | nvz: Do you know what?! I saved our nuclear power plant's network with Knoppix. |
| 16:33.12 | nvz | heh |
| 16:33.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:33.34 | nvz | you know what Debian != Knoppix is still in the channel topic |
| 16:33.51 | sgeigerbot | nvz: That's why they are spelled differently. |
| 16:34.01 | nvz | yep |
| 16:34.21 | Covener | tactless: <?xml version="1.0"?><!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd"> |
| 16:34.21 | Covener | <fontconfig> <alias> <family>monospace</family> <prefer> <family>Bitstram Vera Sans Mono</family> </prefer> </alias></fontconfig> |
| 16:34.28 | doub | being bored by knoppix users asking knoppix questions here is one thing, being anti-knoppix is another |
| 16:34.29 | Covener | Doh, thought I got all the linebrekas |
| 16:34.29 | nvz | !yinzersmite sgeigerbot |
| 16:34.36 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know how to find the system type of an apparently non-Linux system (or a virtual machine)? This is at a hosting company. |
| 16:34.54 | doub | sgeigerbot: uname -a maybe? |
| 16:34.55 | Covener | tactless: 'XFT_DEBUG=7 xterm -fa Sans' to test it |
| 16:35.01 | sgeigerbot | doub: there is no uname |
| 16:35.03 | asg | sgeigerbot: nmap it using one open port and one closed port (no more than 2 ports though) |
| 16:35.09 | Covener | tactless: of course do the replacements and put that in .fonts.conf |
| 16:35.10 | mwilson | How is being anti-Knoppix not a good thing? |
| 16:35.15 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot: netcraft should be able to tell you. Also nmap. |
| 16:36.07 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: good points. |
| 16:36.11 | Covener | sgeigerbot: search for OS detection in nmap manual |
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| 16:36.40 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: the reason I didn't think of that is because I have total access to this machine! |
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| 16:37.03 | asg | sgeigerbot: schedule a 2 minute downtime and reboot it then |
| 16:37.09 | asg | sgeigerbot: see what shows up on console |
| 16:37.13 | tactless | Covener: I'm pretty sure I've tried that, but one sec |
| 16:37.28 | sussudio | asg: sgeigerbot knows how to use nmap |
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| 16:37.46 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: :-) |
| 16:38.09 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: I'm in too good of a mood for 10:30 in the morning. Beer for breakfast. Ahhh. |
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| 16:38.49 | sgeigerbot | asg: I don't have root access. |
| 16:38.58 | sgeigerbot | asg: ...and it is remote. |
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| 16:39.04 | asg | sgeigerbot: ah, some strange usage of the term 'total access' |
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| 16:39.13 | sgeigerbot | asg: sorry, that was the beer talking |
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| 16:39.19 | Beefy | I LIKE BOOBIES |
| 16:39.24 | Beefy | Oh, and debian, I suppose |
| 16:39.27 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot: Heh. |
| 16:39.27 | runedude_ | Hi guys I have a question.. WHat do I do with .deb files? |
| 16:39.29 | asg | Beefy: there are plenty in #gentoo |
| 16:39.39 | asg | runedude_: install them with dpkg |
| 16:39.42 | runedude_ | ah |
| 16:39.48 | runedude_ | so just dpkg <deb file> ? |
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| 16:39.59 | asg | runedude_: if you grabbed them from some odd site on the net, you'll probably break things though. |
| 16:40.00 | Beefy | asg I hate the name gentoo |
| 16:40.03 | MobyTurbo | runedude_: ordinarily you'll be using apt-get to install the debs and their dependencies for you. |
| 16:40.04 | nvz | runedude_: dpkg -i |
| 16:40.08 | runedude_ | well |
| 16:40.10 | runedude_ | its java |
| 16:40.13 | Beefy | Sounds like a disturbing form of diahorreah |
| 16:40.16 | runedude_ | i downloaded their rpm feature |
| 16:40.17 | asg | Beefy: then you are in a quandry |
| 16:40.23 | ledet | runedude: try dpkg --help |
| 16:40.24 | tactless | Covener: Doesn't help. |
| 16:40.33 | Beefy | asg: I may be. But my feet are cold. Which is far worse |
| 16:40.40 | tactless | Covener: Oh, wait, typo, some nice fontconfig info here |
| 16:41.12 | runedude_ | hmm |
| 16:41.17 | asg | Beefy: you could install libsocks4 |
| 16:41.19 | runedude_ | Is there anyway to easily install java then? |
| 16:41.27 | asg | runedude_: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:41.37 | FieldySnuts | @lart java |
| 16:41.55 | Beefy | asg: I could bother installing debian again, and then work out how to use it, but I probably won't. I just love geeks. |
| 16:42.04 | nvz | runedude_: its pretty simple, you need java-common, java-package, and a sun j2re-blah.bin |
| 16:42.10 | asg | Beefy: ah, grab a beer and enjoy then |
| 16:42.34 | Beefy | asg: Shame I don't drink ;) |
| 16:42.57 | sussudio | !tell dmz about away |
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| 16:43.10 | da_bon_bon | hi al. |
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| 16:43.46 | nvz | !tell dmz about kids |
| 16:43.49 | nvz | heh |
| 16:44.34 | Beefy | Is Debian good for servers? I've completely forgotten everything I ever knew today. |
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| 16:44.42 | asg | Beefy: yes |
| 16:45.17 | Beefy | asg: I really should put it on my server then. And/or learn how to use it |
| 16:45.31 | abydos | debian is awesome for servers |
| 16:45.35 | asg | Beefy: there is plenty of documentation available, have at it |
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| 16:45.46 | abydos | even sarge is awesome for servers. |
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| 16:46.20 | Beefy | asg: I should. But I never seem to be able to find the right level of documentation. It's either too noob-ish, or completely over my head. |
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| 16:46.48 | nvz | seek and ye shall find |
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| 16:47.06 | asg | Beefy: then start with the debian-reference, if you haven't already. |
| 16:47.16 | Beefy | asg: I haven't. URL me? |
| 16:47.26 | asg | Beefy: www.debian.org/devel |
| 16:47.32 | nvz | !info debian-reference |
| 16:47.34 | dpkg | debian-reference: (metapackage to install (all) translations of Debian Reference), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.08-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 16:47.52 | mrfg | i am newbie for debian, and i want to change tty1-tty6 console resolution,(i use grub) now it's 800x600, how should i change it? |
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| 16:48.11 | Beefy | I love every single user in this room. Thanks |
| 16:48.14 | asg | Beefy: or www.debian.org/doc |
| 16:48.45 | Beefy | asg: Cheers mate. Soon I shall be the master of all things linuxy. |
| 16:48.46 | mrfg | i tried fbset and it gives error that couldn't open /dev/fd0 |
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| 16:48.56 | asg | Beefy: have fun |
| 16:49.00 | mrfg | plz, help me |
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| 16:49.20 | valdyn | mrfg: fbset manipulating your floppy drive would be weird |
| 16:49.25 | Beefy | asg: Oh, I'm sure I will. After the hernia, replacement keyboard and zoloft |
| 16:49.50 | Pauk | I'd imagine he meant /dev/fb0. :) |
| 16:49.57 | Covener | mrfg: loading vesafb or any other framebuffer module? |
| 16:50.05 | valdyn | mrfg: pass vga=792 to your kernel |
| 16:50.06 | mrfg | yeah, /dev/fb0 |
| 16:50.29 | mrfg | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 16:50.29 | tactless | argh... fontconfig bad!!! |
| 16:50.40 | tactless | Won't let me replace the Sans font. |
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| 16:53.04 | Covener | tactless: still no luck? Maybe because /etc/fonts/fonts.conf seems to process ~/.fonts.conf kinda early |
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| 16:53.22 | tactless | Covener: I'll try moving it onwards |
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| 16:53.51 | noobdebianinstal | hey guys....i just installed debian....and I got to the set root password area, but my keyboard doesn't work!!! The arrow keys do, but thats it! What do I do? |
| 16:53.54 | tactless | Covener: No, doesn't help... :( |
| 16:54.50 | doub | noobdebianinstal: depending on the version of the installer you use, nothing might be output during password entry |
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| 16:55.12 | doub | noobdebianinstal: that doesn't means your keyboard is not working |
| 16:55.51 | asg | noobdebianinstal: you can easily check if it is by typing 'CTRL+F2' (if you get a different screen, type 'CTRL+F1' to get back to the password entry area.) |
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| 16:56.13 | Pauk | I got an easier way... |
| 16:56.17 | Pauk | Hit enter and watch the screen. ;) |
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| 16:56.20 | hever | HEllo there, how could I activate the synaptics drivers for my touchpad ? |
| 16:56.21 | Covener | tactless: in your .fonts.conf instead of an alias, do a match and an edit so it's no longer really "sans" to fontconfig maybe? |
| 16:56.29 | ILF_ | hi, why is ftp.de.debian.org down? |
| 16:56.37 | doub | asg: isn't it 'alt-f2' and 'alt-f1' rather? |
| 16:56.38 | Covener | tactless: Like change it to actually be the font you want, so other pieces won't screw w/ it |
| 16:56.41 | ILF_ | been down for almost 24 hours :( |
| 16:56.43 | asg | ILF_: try ftp2.deb.debian.org |
| 16:56.49 | ILF_ | thx |
| 16:56.59 | asg | doub: yes, brainfart on my part |
| 16:57.06 | asg | noobdebianinstal: ^^^ |
| 16:57.06 | tactless | Covener: No, but my point is to change the default font: Sans. |
| 16:57.41 | Covener | tactless: I'm saying you go first and change Sans to something else, so whatever rules firing off no longer see the family name Sans and react to it |
| 16:57.44 | tactless | Covener: I can find copies of the exact instructions you gave me all over the web, but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 16:57.53 | tactless | Covener: Will try |
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| 16:58.38 | tactless | Covener: No, my special created font doesn't show up. |
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| 16:59.23 | tactless | Covener: Wait... |
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| 17:00.27 | Gecko | Hello. What is the difference between /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow-? |
| 17:00.40 | tactless | Covener: xterm recognizes it, but still gives wrong font. |
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| 17:01.18 | MoDaX | hi. maybe someone will know. i'm compiling a kernel for another machine, but I can't choose it in menuconfig, because choices are limited to my processor type only. How do I force menuconfig to display all processor type choices (i'm compiling 2.4.29 vanilla. this was not an issue with 2.4.25) |
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| 17:01.44 | priest | is there a package that adds "colors" to vi(m)? |
| 17:02.03 | Gecko | priest: in vim you can type :syntax on for instance |
| 17:02.15 | ILF_ | asg: any idea when it'll be back? |
| 17:02.29 | Covener | tactless: tactless I have it working now |
| 17:02.35 | zOap | hile, anyone know how to create a maildir under getmail? |
| 17:02.39 | priest | Gecko: ah..nice, thanks |
| 17:02.42 | zOap | hile, not hile... |
| 17:02.43 | tactless | Covener: Okay, how? |
| 17:02.46 | noobdebianinstal | thanks guys. |
| 17:02.47 | zOap | hile, not hile |
| 17:02.53 | zOap | argh |
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| 17:03.19 | Covener | tactless: one sec, making sure not superflous stuff |
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| 17:03.53 | zOap | anyone know how to create a maildir? |
| 17:04.02 | hile | zOap: using xchat... set nickname auto completion off from preferences |
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| 17:04.23 | tactless | zOap: You just make a directory... |
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| 17:04.29 | zOap | hile: ok, got it |
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| 17:04.33 | elfriede | Hello. When I try to connect to my remote machine using SSH the remote machine will not allow me to connect and all the auth.log says is "authentication failed". SSH works from other machines and I know I'm using the correct password and username. I have OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.4, OpenSSL 0.9.7 31 Dec 2002. The config files are Debian default. What else must I check to make it work? |
| 17:04.43 | Covener | tactless: <alias> <family>sans-serif</family> <prefer> <family>FreeSans</family> </prefer> </alias> |
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| 17:05.02 | busfahrer | elfriede: Are you trying to log in as root? |
| 17:05.03 | Covener | tactless: i was finally able to xterm -fa sans and get FreeSans physically used in the debug output |
| 17:05.03 | zOap | tactless: but when i execute getmail i get error: $HOME/maildir is not a maildir.. |
| 17:05.09 | bbrazil | zOap: mkdir -p dirname/{new,tmp,cur} |
| 17:05.17 | elfriede | busfahrer: no. |
| 17:05.33 | tactless | Covener: Does FreeSans show up in gnome-font-properties when you use Sans? |
| 17:05.39 | zOap | bbrazil: what does the new, temp, cur stand for? |
| 17:05.46 | Covener | tactless: there is also a 'default' tag where I have prefer, but prefer seems to do the job |
| 17:05.55 | bogon | zOap: subdirectories |
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| 17:06.09 | zOap | bogon: thanx |
| 17:06.10 | bbrazil | zOap: a maildir consists of three directories. new holds newmail, cur is for read mail, tmp is temporary |
| 17:06.14 | Covener | tactless: I dunno, lemme try something more noticeable |
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| 17:06.15 | tactless | zOap: The client will create those |
| 17:06.26 | zOap | ok,thanz |
| 17:06.42 | Covener | tactless: Yes it does |
| 17:06.46 | Anynomous | I HAVE asked DPKG, and I have checked the mirror thouroughly myself .. but I *am* unable to find "libglut3" in the pool .. I would think it *should* be in this location: http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/ but I don't see it there. Please help me find the package, as wine needs it. |
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| 17:07.09 | Covener | tactless: I set sans-serif to Conga the way I pasted it, and gnome-font-properties for Sans had like weird block lettering |
| 17:07.11 | tactless | Covener: Let me try. No other changes were made to the system, you say? |
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| 17:07.39 | Covener | tactless: only other random stuff in .fonts.conf -- some of which might not have been working anymore |
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| 17:07.56 | Covener | tactless: (because they were of the format that didn't even override Sans for us) |
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| 17:08.19 | Covener | tactless: XFT_DEBUG=7 gnome-font-properties works well too |
| 17:08.41 | KB1FYR | is there a ppc debian channel? |
| 17:08.44 | valdyn | Anynomous: look into this folder: pool/main/g/glut/libglut3_3.7-25_all.deb |
| 17:08.50 | tactless | Covener: Does not work for me. |
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| 17:09.07 | Isil`Zha | hi |
| 17:09.08 | Anynomous | valdyn: Thanks! :-) |
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| 17:09.31 | valdyn | Anynomous: and next time just look into Packages.gz file first, its in there ) |
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| 17:09.47 | Anynomous | valdyn: Yes .. buts its 12megabytes |
| 17:09.59 | Anynomous | Anynomous: That equals $2 here... |
| 17:09.59 | Covener | tactless: so in the dropdown, the word Sans still looks like whatever the global fontconfig thinks it should be? |
| 17:10.02 | mwilson | And next time just look at packages.debian.org, since after all that's what the g'damned thing exists for. |
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| 17:10.11 | valdyn | Anynomous: 3 megabyte |
| 17:10.17 | zOap | bbrazil: what should i type in the mailbox who checks for mail then? the gnome "inbox monitor" $HOME/mymaildir or what? and, how do i get getmail to check for new mails periodically? |
| 17:10.18 | Anynomous | mwilson: You check it before you make a fool .. its down. |
| 17:10.19 | tactless | Covener: Yes. The font I want, Nachlieli, shows up in the log though. |
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| 17:10.23 | tactless | Covener: It's the last line. |
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| 17:10.29 | tactless | XftFontInfoFill: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/NachlieliCLM-Light.pfa: 0 (13.3333 pixels) |
| 17:10.30 | Anynomous | mwilson: Check the topic, hot shot. |
| 17:10.44 | mwilson | Anynomous: It being down isn't my problem. |
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| 17:11.10 | dejoo | can anyone tell me which is differen debian sarge and debian.... |
| 17:11.17 | zOap | bbrazil: how do i set up inbox monitor to check for new mails? /mymaildir/new/ or? and how do i get getmail to check for new mails periodically? |
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| 17:11.19 | Anynomous | mwilson: no, I am sorry .. just gettin annoying trying to install wine for 5 hours now. |
| 17:11.26 | zOap | am i on |
| 17:11.32 | Anynomous | mwilson: Including giving up on the netcard. |
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| 17:11.50 | zOap | aah, |
| 17:11.51 | mwilson | Anynomous: I presume you have some reason to be installing packages by hand. |
| 17:11.57 | Isil`Zha | i get "Could not connect to ftp.de.debian.org:21" when updating. is there a server problem? i can't find anything mentioned on that at the debian hp |
| 17:11.58 | Covener | tactless: i see that 3 times -- because I have 3 things set to Sans |
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| 17:12.08 | tactless | Covener: ? |
| 17:12.17 | Covener | tactless: the debug line |
| 17:12.18 | mwilson | Isil`Zha: So use a different mirror. |
| 17:12.23 | caphuso | Isil`Zha: use ftp2.d.o |
| 17:12.23 | bogon | zOap: you could set up a cronjob for getmail |
| 17:12.30 | Covener | tactless: what did you add exactly to .fonts.conf? |
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| 17:12.49 | valdyn | deejoe: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:12.51 | zOap | bogon: cronjob? how do i do that? |
| 17:12.55 | tactless | I now lost the line I was having... here's my fonts.conf (msgd) |
| 17:12.59 | valdyn | deejoo: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:13.24 | bogon | zOap: man crontab |
| 17:13.29 | tactless | Before I had Nachlieli on the last log line, but now it doesn't show up. |
| 17:13.32 | Anynomous | mwilson: Yeah .. you're right .. its not by choice. :-) |
| 17:13.33 | zOap | bogon: thnx |
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| 17:13.57 | mwilson | Anynomous: Of course it is. |
| 17:14.04 | Isil`Zha | mwilson, caphuso: hmm yes sure different mirror will do but i don't like reconfiguring apt... should i just add the new mirror without deleting the old one to avoid further problems? |
| 17:14.19 | Anynomous | mwilson: Its not my machine. |
| 17:14.55 | caphuso | Isil`Zha: and download the packages file twice every apt-get update? great idea |
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| 17:15.53 | mwilson | Isil`Zha: Yes, you don't like reconfiguring apt, so by all means don't replace an unreliable mirror with a reliable one. After all, getting reliability is CERTAINLY no reason to actually change anything. |
| 17:16.03 | Isil`Zha | caphuso: i thought apt would realise he downloaded it already. but k i didn't test yet ;) so you think it's best i change that mirror and hope it last for the next time? ^^ |
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| 17:16.08 | Pauk | Should only be a problem for you dialup users, caphuso. ;) |
| 17:16.21 | mwilson | Isil`Zha: It's certainly better to not be able to update the box, after all. |
| 17:16.30 | julien` | Hi |
| 17:16.31 | bogon | zOap: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-cronjob and http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm may help |
| 17:16.44 | mwilson | Is the sarcasm coming through yet? |
| 17:16.44 | HawkHunter | if someone is dl debian bt 7 from .iso @15kb/s and it drops - i turned off bt - ive uploaded 2 gigs of it already - sorry |
| 17:17.07 | caphuso | Pauk: it's unecessary traffic for the people running the mirrors. they pay with their own money for the bandwidth being used |
| 17:17.09 | Anynomous | mwilson: Ok .. for you picky native english .. its not my first choice. |
| 17:17.14 | Anynomous | or something |
| 17:17.20 | julien` | Why aren't Release file not signed anymore? |
| 17:17.26 | valdyn | HawkHunter: usually they wont notice ) |
| 17:17.53 | Isil`Zha | mwilson: seems you got me wrong. for me it looked like just another mirror with which i could run into the same error soon again. i wanted to get a reliable solution i can rely on for the next time. so if you say ftp2 is more reliable i'm fine ;) |
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| 17:18.26 | mwilson | Isil`Zha: And when it fails, you move to another one. Welcome to actually managing your box. |
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| 17:18.55 | Pauk | caphuso: So you're telling me I'm a bad guy because I've got two entries for the same repository in my sources.list? |
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| 17:19.14 | nome | i'm searching for someone that has used mkinitrd-cd |
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| 17:19.19 | nome | is there? |
| 17:19.25 | Anynomous | pauk: You're a bad guy because you got two entries in your sources.list! |
| 17:19.30 | caphuso | Pauk: yes |
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| 17:19.38 | Pauk | caphuso: ie, one for mirror.pacific.net.au (Slow to update packages list, usually maintains latest pool though, and is free traffic on PIPE-IX (peering exchange)), as well as mirror.aarnet.edu.au (Fast for all) |
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| 17:19.44 | Pauk | Right. |
| 17:19.57 | Pauk | So when I take advantage of free traffic next time, I'll remember I'm a Bad Guy (tm) and don't belong on the Internet. |
| 17:20.12 | Isil`Zha | mwilson: ^^ i was just wondering if there is a way to let apt handle that. i don't take the first solution because it seems to be the easiest way. but k seems you don't like my question... so... ignore it k? thnx so far anyway ;) |
| 17:20.31 | Anynomous | Pauk: Good boy! - Have a cookie! :-) |
| 17:20.40 | mwilson | caphuso: You know, I can't remember the last time someone actually died if they couldn't update unstable instantly, but they all sure act like it, don't they? |
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| 17:20.58 | Pauk | Nah, sorry, transferring it would eat too much bandwidth. Got to be conservative and all, these days... :) |
| 17:21.06 | nome | is there someone that can understand scripts? |
| 17:21.09 | caphuso | mwilson: yeah |
| 17:21.29 | scarynetworkguy | nome: Nope. Nobody at all. The damn things just can't be groked. |
| 17:21.35 | caphuso | and since when is there a thing like "free traffic"? |
| 17:21.45 | Pauk | caphuso: Since you lived in Australia. |
| 17:21.47 | mwilson | Pauk: Until several thousand people are as clueless about it as you are, it's a drop in the bucket. Oh, wait, there already are several thousand people as clueless about it as you. |
| 17:21.55 | Pauk | mwilson: hah! |
| 17:21.58 | Pauk | Yeah, righto mate. |
| 17:22.06 | mwilson | caphuso: He means "traffic HE doesn't have to pay for". |
| 17:22.07 | nome | scarynetworkguy: could you try mkinitrd-cd? |
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| 17:22.11 | caphuso | mwilson: yeah, i know |
| 17:22.12 | Pauk | mwilson: Correction. |
| 17:22.21 | Pauk | Traffic either the consumer, or the ISP with a peering point, doesn't have to pay for. |
| 17:22.23 | scarynetworkguy | nome: WTF would I do that? |
| 17:22.24 | nome | scarynetworkguy: just to know if it's a bug or it's me... |
| 17:22.47 | Pauk | ISPs linked to WAIX/PIPE etc in AU don't pay for traffic - just the cost of the link itself. |
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| 17:23.20 | rednecktek | Openswan nat_traversal patch does not apply cleanly. I've tried to manually patch, but ended up with a duplicate member af_udp in sock.h. Has anyone here gotten this to work? |
| 17:24.46 | zOap | bogon: ok, ihave now got inbox monitor to find new mails. but what about gdesklets? i cant get the boxmail desklet to read from the maildir, just get connection error.. |
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| 17:24.59 | scytheman | doesn't rock ridge support large files? i have a 4.2GB .tar, and mkisofs gives the error "mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type. File [...].tar is too large - ignoring" |
| 17:25.29 | moijk | Good afternoon, I run debian 3.1, where would i find the most offical mysql 4.1 debs? :) |
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| 17:26.14 | Covener | scytheman: always though rock ridge was just a long filename workaround |
| 17:26.37 | Covener | scytheman: maybe you want udf? |
| 17:27.22 | valdyn | !info mysql-server |
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| 17:27.24 | scytheman | Covener, i will try it |
| 17:27.26 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.23-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3556 kB, Installed size: 8612 kB |
| 17:27.27 | scytheman | thanks |
| 17:27.51 | valdyn | !info mysql-server-4.1 |
| 17:27.55 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14170 kB, Installed size: 30288 kB |
| 17:27.56 | valdyn | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 17:28.08 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.8a-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 14140 kB, Installed size: 30216 kB |
| 17:28.14 | scytheman | Covener, it's the same, it doesn't work |
| 17:28.17 | valdyn | moijk: ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 17:28.55 | mwilson | I didn't know either ISO9660 or UDF supported a file that large. |
| 17:29.11 | hibla | hi i need some advice on samba, ive got 2 nic (100mbit and gbit), the 100mbit is 'public', and the gbit is connected to a different server. any chance these two adapters can have different workgroups ? |
| 17:29.28 | scytheman | mh, therefore i have to split it up into smaller files? |
| 17:29.50 | moijk | valdyn: i must be terrible to search, cause trying that package was perfect. everything is up running. thank you, and have a wonderful day. |
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| 17:31.58 | Covener | scytheman: i'd say try creating the filesystem w/ another tool (for udf) |
| 17:32.12 | websdale | scytheman: perhaps a 4.2GB file produces an image too big for a 4.7.GB dvd |
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| 17:32.43 | scytheman | websdale, i don't think so |
| 17:33.09 | scytheman | Covener, i tried to burn it with K3b on-the-fly, and it doesn't works |
| 17:33.21 | dirthead | hibla: I have some experience with samba and I've haven't seen anything like that in the documentation. |
| 17:33.23 | mwilson | Well, yeah, after all K3b is crap. |
| 17:33.37 | mwilson | You wouldn't actually expect it to tell you that it couldn't do it, or anything. |
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| 17:34.45 | deku | hi i need help plz i'm using unstable soft, so my dpkg hass crashed.. |
| 17:35.05 | abrotman | english? |
| 17:35.10 | joe233 | hello I just installed debian using the bf2.4.18 kernel... What kernel should I upgrade to? Will 2.6 stable work ? thanks. |
| 17:35.11 | deku | ? |
| 17:35.12 | hibla | dirthead : ok, guess ill be trying to find out then :P |
| 17:35.14 | deku | sory? |
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| 17:35.25 | abrotman | exactly |
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| 17:35.47 | mwilson | "2.6 stable"? |
| 17:35.53 | mwilson | Isn't that an oxymoron? |
| 17:35.55 | deku | algun espa?ol? |
| 17:36.03 | abrotman | !sp |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | sp is, like, troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 17:36.06 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:36.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:36.13 | joe233 | kernel.org The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.10 |
| 17:36.24 | mwilson | s/stable// |
| 17:36.29 | abrotman | woody cannot run 2.6 without outside packages |
| 17:36.41 | joe233 | ooo.. how about 2.4.29 ? |
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| 17:36.44 | deku | thk ;) |
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| 17:36.47 | abrotman | does it exist? |
| 17:36.51 | abrotman | !tell joe233 about kp |
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| 17:36.57 | [Granger] | abrotman: that's why you run sarge :P |
| 17:36.58 | mwilson | abrotman: Now, why would that matter? |
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| 17:37.30 | [Granger] | jeez |
| 17:37.34 | abrotman | mwilson: because he's going to compile his own . i can see it coming |
| 17:37.38 | [Granger] | Little_Dump: stop ircing as root |
| 17:37.48 | abrotman | !tell Little_Dump about root |
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| 17:38.19 | abrotman | !tell joe233 about real kernel |
| 17:38.29 | [Granger] | heh |
| 17:38.55 | mwilson | abrotman: <shrug> I wouldn't want to use a Debian kernel either. |
| 17:39.08 | abrotman | mwilson: so why are you asking me what i did that for? |
| 17:39.14 | [Granger] | what's wrong with a debian kernel? |
| 17:39.25 | abrotman | [Granger]: don't ask .. and make your nick less annoying |
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| 17:40.44 | joe233 | abrotman ok so far i ran apt-get install kernel-package build-essential .... u got me confused tho.. debian has kernel's that will just install and don't need to be compiled ???? thank you for your help. |
| 17:40.48 | [Granger] | heh abrotman enlighten me |
| 17:40.58 | [Granger] | Little_Dump: don't msg me |
| 17:41.06 | resiak | joe233: apt-cache search ^kernel-image |
| 17:41.44 | joe233 | it outputs: kernel-package |
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| 17:43.01 | mwilson | abrotman: I didn't ask you that. I asked you why that mattered. |
| 17:43.32 | mwilson | abrotman: You surely didn't expect him to actually determine whether it even existed before deciding he *wanted* it, after all. |
| 17:43.45 | joe233 | see i am trying to compile this nic driver .. e100 and it cant find the kernel source.. and even when i drop the source in a directory and add it to the Makefile, it still comes up with errors -- im newbie to debian and want to have the kernel source working properly... so i was going to d/l new source and compile it and stuff... is there an easier way around all of this ? |
| 17:43.56 | PhUrl | Hey all, I managed to B0rk my xine install, it does not have a mpeg plug it, anyone know the package name for the xine plugins/codecs? |
| 17:44.07 | resiak | joe233: Are you sure e100 isn't in the stock kernels? |
| 17:44.13 | mwilson | joe233: There's something wrong with the e100 driver that's already in the kernel? |
| 17:44.18 | joe233 | resiak yup |
| 17:44.23 | joe233 | im using the one from intel.com |
| 17:44.26 | resiak | joe233: It is, actually. |
| 17:44.49 | joe233 | e-100-1.8 |
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| 17:44.55 | resiak | joe233: You don't need to compile your own. |
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| 17:45.01 | valdyn | joe233: youre better off using the one in the stock kernel |
| 17:45.06 | PhUrl | libxine i guess |
| 17:45.08 | resiak | joe233: It worksforme. |
| 17:45.12 | abrotman | mwilson: the woody kernels don't have e100 by default |
| 17:45.15 | joe233 | res: i cant find it |
| 17:45.24 | abrotman | they have that e100 source package thing |
| 17:45.28 | resiak | joe233: Are you on woody? |
| 17:45.51 | Brisa | hi. |
| 17:45.51 | Brisa | How can i reinstall kde ?? |
| 17:45.57 | joe233 | i *believe* so... debian 3.0r1 (installed with disc 5) |
| 17:46.01 | resiak | Brisa: Why would you want to do that? |
| 17:46.02 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install kde |
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| 17:46.17 | Covener | joe233: do you really need e100 instead of eepro100 (which I hope is provided) |
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| 17:46.21 | joe233 | yup! |
| 17:46.26 | tomb0y | joe233: CONFIG_EEPRO100=y will enable it in kernels during make config. |
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| 17:46.48 | Brisa | thanks |
| 17:46.48 | Brisa | I think i screw it my mouse and my monitor , so i want back the defaul :D |
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| 17:46.57 | joe233 | ive tried eepro100 all day..., i found some other guy who got the adapter working with the e100 from intel.. but he had to compile it..... |
| 17:46.59 | Covener | tomb0y: that's a different module than e100 |
| 17:47.03 | mwilson | joe233: And you think you need the intel one because...? |
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| 17:47.35 | mwilson | Man, I want a Kinesis keyboard. |
| 17:47.44 | joe233 | ahhhh |
| 17:47.45 | mwilson | I don't want to PAY that much for one, but I want one. |
| 17:47.52 | joe233 | before 2.4.20 it doesnt have e100 |
| 17:47.59 | joe233 | http://www.prongs.org/linux/sony/node8.html is where i got my info on this.. |
| 17:48.07 | joe233 | im on 2.4.18 |
| 17:48.17 | Phated | mwilson: What's one of those like, then? |
| 17:48.18 | joe233 | bf <-- whatewver that means! |
| 17:48.18 | julien` | Why aren't Release file not signed anymore? |
| 17:48.40 | idnar_ | julien`: you've got one too many negatives in that sentence ;) |
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| 17:48.47 | Covener | joe233: you have the same symptoms as that guy? and the samae hardware? |
| 17:48.59 | zelevw | Hi guys...is there a way to automount a smb share at login time? |
| 17:49.05 | mwilson | http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/classic.htm |
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| 17:49.11 | joe233 | same NIC |
| 17:49.25 | mwilson | Phated: Ever used one? |
| 17:49.41 | NetZwerg | what traffic-counter would you recommend? should support binding to ips and interfaces |
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| 17:49.46 | mwilson | Phated: They're SOOOOOO nice. |
| 17:49.50 | Covener | joe233: on a vaio i take it? Or you just know it's an intel 10/100? |
| 17:49.59 | Little_Dump | hello. can someone tell me how to get services-admin going? |
| 17:50.04 | joe233 | I am using a Gateway m275 tablet with the Intel(R) PRO/100 VE .... |
| 17:50.07 | resiak | zelevw: man fstab |
| 17:50.15 | Covener | joe233: have you tried the workaround for using eepro100 on the bottom of the page you linked? |
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| 17:50.20 | tomb0y | joe233: E100 and EEPRO100 are both in the 2.4x series kernels, just have to enable them in the .config |
| 17:50.25 | Phated | mwilson: No, never... Why are they nice? |
| 17:50.26 | joe233 | cov: yes, dodmt wprl |
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| 17:50.38 | Phated | Whoops, missed the link, lemme see.. |
| 17:50.43 | joe233 | tomb0y: whats the .config ?? |
| 17:51.10 | resiak | mwilson: Those look nice. |
| 17:51.31 | Phated | mwilson: Oh those -are- nice. |
| 17:51.36 | mwilson | My wrists love me when I use one of 'em. |
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| 17:51.49 | tomb0y | joe233: dl from kernel.org make menuconfig, make dep, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install |
| 17:51.54 | mwilson | But they're terribly expensive. |
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| 17:52.29 | joe233 | tomb0y: thats what my original ? was.. thanx.. i will d/l a new kernel and see what happends. t hanx. |
| 17:52.30 | mwilson | They're like the ultimate expression of the split keyboard. |
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| 17:52.37 | Phated | Interesting, but far too large for my desk and wouldn't suit my typing at all since I have a bad habit of my hands migrating out of their zone. |
| 17:52.44 | mwilson | They're not large. |
| 17:52.46 | bbrazil | zOap: I don't know - I use http://netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/scripts/src/newmail combined with watch for a CLI |
| 17:52.50 | scarynetworkguy | Ewwwwwwwwwww. |
| 17:52.53 | Phated | 8"deep is large for me. |
| 17:53.01 | bbrazil | zOap: but thats for more than one mailbox |
| 17:53.01 | Phated | So ner. :) |
| 17:53.02 | Little_Dump | hello. can someone tell me how to get services-admin going? |
| 17:53.04 | resiak | mwilson: The prices are _insane_. |
| 17:53.09 | Covener | joe233: can you download a newer debian kernel? (one that includes e100, simpler for you) |
| 17:53.15 | Phated | mwilson: what resiak said. |
| 17:53.20 | joe233 | cov: i have no clue ? |
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| 17:53.33 | mwilson | Yes, they're expensive. |
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| 17:53.42 | Phated | Understatment of the year. |
| 17:53.45 | joe233 | i just remember how to compile a kernel the old fashion way in slackware 3.x .... havent used this stuff in awhile |
| 17:53.46 | idnar_ | Phated: I don't think it's a bad habit; it's usually a technique that increases typing speed :P |
| 17:53.58 | Covener | Little_Dump: I don't think anyone knows what services-admin is, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:54.12 | Phated | idnar_: I'm not sure. My typing isn't very fast. |
| 17:54.20 | joe233 | res: i did that. |
| 17:54.20 | idnar_ | Phated: *shrug* my typing speed would certainly decrease if I forced my hands to keep to their side of the keyboard |
| 17:54.21 | caphuso | resiak: kernEl |
| 17:54.25 | joe233 | res: didnt give me anything |
| 17:54.30 | calin | I'm having a problem with my gnome-panel, the "system tray" which shows iconified programs like gaim, has disappeared and I can't find it again. is it a seperate program or do i have to edit a configuration to get it to show up again? |
| 17:54.30 | Phated | idnar_: It |
| 17:54.32 | mwilson | I stockpile keyboards... right now I have three of these SK6000 keyboards I'm using. The one on my machine, and the two in the closet. |
| 17:54.36 | Little_Dump | its from gnome-system-tools, im trying to setup services that boot |
| 17:54.37 | resiak | caphuso: Feel free to hit me. |
| 17:54.47 | idnar_ | caphuso: colonel! |
| 17:54.49 | Phated | idnar_: Probably has to do with the fact that you're used to typing with migrating hands. :) |
| 17:54.53 | mwilson | I always find a keyboard I can deal with after they're not made any more. |
| 17:55.12 | idnar_ | Phated: well, I hit the key with the finger that can reach the key quickest |
| 17:55.17 | caphuso | i'd like a kinesis keyboard with a builtin touchpad |
| 17:55.19 | Phated | idnar_: Yeah. :) |
| 17:55.25 | idnar_ | Phated: often, for keys in the center of the keyboard, that finger will belong to the "wrong" hand |
| 17:55.40 | resiak | caphuso: FWIW, I spelt it right last time. |
| 17:55.50 | mwilson | At work, we just did our desktop refresh, and I gave up my ancient MS Natural Elite... now I've got a straight keyboard on it and it's making me crazy. Gonna break out one of my spares and take it to work. |
| 17:55.51 | calin | Any assistance would be appreciated |
| 17:55.56 | Brisa | ok. done the reinstall of kde. Same problem (Caugth signal 4 ) . I though that if I reinstall kde everuthing would be ok |
| 17:56.01 | valdyn | joe233: backports.org has recent 2.4.x images which should include e100 |
| 17:56.01 | Covener | Little_Dump: boot-admin? |
| 17:56.05 | mwilson | caphuso: With a built-in pad? Why? |
| 17:56.06 | Phated | idnar_: Exactly. I often use the left hand for the t key, especially when I'm typing things with an "st" combination. :) |
| 17:56.12 | caphuso | mwilson: because i like those |
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| 17:56.22 | Brisa | but not. How can i configure KD from console (user interface preferred ) ?? |
| 17:56.22 | mwilson | The left hand SHOULD be used for the "t" |
| 17:56.36 | Little_Dump | no. its called services-admin. if u goto the menu in gnome and goto debian menu>apps>system its near the bottom |
| 17:57.00 | Covener | Little_Dump: er nm, sorry, nothing in the package looks very promising. |
| 17:57.04 | mwilson | I can type plenty fast on this keyboard as long as I don't think about what I'm doing. |
| 17:57.15 | mwilson | Whenever I stop to think about my typing, I go to pot. |
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| 17:57.22 | idnar_ | anyway, I have a very hard time typing on split keyboards |
| 17:57.36 | Little_Dump | do u know if ximian-setup-tools will do the same thing? |
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| 17:57.50 | Phated | Why, precisely, those stupid rubbery keys are included... |
| 17:57.55 | mwilson | It's hard for me to find a keyboard I can deal with, and it's next to impossible for me to find a mouse I can deal with. |
| 17:58.08 | resiak | Phated: Make sense that sentence? |
| 17:58.10 | obsidian | trackballs! |
| 17:58.16 | Phated | resiak: :) |
| 17:58.22 | mwilson | I'm still using my ancient MS Wheelmouse Optical 'cause it's the only one that fits my hand right. |
| 17:58.26 | resiak | trackballs++ |
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| 17:58.40 | calin | Hello? |
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| 17:58.58 | joe233 | valdyn: excellent, can u tell me which files i should be gettin from there? kernel-image ? anything else. |
| 17:58.59 | BSM | hi, anyone any idea how to convert a software raid device from md0 to md1? he always wants to put it into md0 :( |
| 17:59.01 | mwilson | All the replacements since are too small, and don't even mention the crap that Logitech calls mice today. |
| 17:59.01 | kekostar | hi |
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| 17:59.09 | Phated | There was a lovely, if rather silly-looking, pointing device at the science centre. Consists of a couple of cameras and you waving your hand in the air, hover to click. |
| 17:59.15 | kekostar | http://paste.phpfi.com/48694 |
| 17:59.22 | kekostar | do i have too much proceses on ? |
| 17:59.23 | at0m|c | i need to install libglib2.0-dev, but it refuses since it wants libglib2.0 2.4.7-1 instead of 2.4.8-1 |
| 17:59.26 | resiak | Phated: Minority report? |
| 17:59.26 | at0m|c | how do i fix that? |
| 17:59.32 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah. That would be sweet to adapt for home use. |
| 17:59.40 | Phated | resiak: Nah. Still had normal monitor things. :) |
| 17:59.46 | vordul | mwilson - I had a logitech wingman gaming mouse, and it was huge. |
| 17:59.50 | Phated | resiak: But the general concept is there, yes. |
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| 17:59.56 | resiak | Phated: Ace. |
| 17:59.58 | valdyn | joe233: just that kernel-image, the other package(s) are for compiling yourself or compiling additional modules, which you dont need I suppose |
| 18:00.02 | obsidian | resiak, was just thinking, why the f#&^ isn't that here yet? it's 2005 for chrissake |
| 18:00.08 | Phated | resiak: Exactly. Takes up far too much space, though. :) |
| 18:00.08 | scarynetworkguy | Big normal monitor things. But normal monitor things nonetheless. :) |
| 18:00.13 | joe233 | valdyn: thanx! |
| 18:00.30 | caphuso | http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/advanced-line/advanced-line_touchboard_g80-11900.htm |
| 18:00.37 | caphuso | that's my current keyboard |
| 18:01.06 | obsidian | split keyboards are great except they suck for nethack |
| 18:01.19 | calin | Can I get some helpw ith this problem? |
| 18:01.41 | dirthead | kekostar: looks ok to me, |
| 18:01.55 | obsidian | what's wrong? |
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| 18:02.15 | calin | I'm having a problem with my gnome-panel, the "system tray" which shows iconified programs like gaim, has disappeared and I can't find it again. is it a seperate program or do i have to edit a configuration to get it to show up again? |
| 18:02.34 | at0m|c | right-click on empty panel space, add module |
| 18:02.36 | kekostar | dirthead nice if oyu htink that.. i was thinking there are too much same proceses :d |
| 18:02.46 | obsidian | calin thats easy1 |
| 18:02.53 | calin | at0m|c: Thank you |
| 18:02.54 | obsidian | right click on panel |
| 18:03.03 | obsidian | add it back |
| 18:03.09 | Lorvija | how do i put any output a script gives to /dev/null? |
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| 18:03.18 | obsidian | its in the list of things u can add |
| 18:03.33 | dirthead | kekostar: you mean the apache processes? Looks like you have a few web connections. |
| 18:03.34 | joe233 | how do i install a .deb file thats located /root/blahblah.deb ? |
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| 18:03.43 | idnar_ | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?page=products/details&CRID=1&CONTENTID=7321&countryid=19&languageid=1 is my current keyboard |
| 18:03.43 | caphuso | joe233: dpkg -i |
| 18:03.48 | bloom | dpkg -i /root/blahblah.deb |
| 18:03.49 | joe233 | ah |
| 18:03.51 | obsidian | lorjiva > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:03.55 | Lorvija | obsidian thanks |
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| 18:04.15 | bloom | !forget -i |
| 18:04.15 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called '-i', bloom |
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| 18:04.17 | idnar_ | it's low-profile like a laptop keyboard, but with crisp response and travel |
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| 18:04.20 | obsidian | i think thats it |
| 18:04.34 | Phated | bloom: Leave it alone. :) |
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| 18:04.43 | obsidian | different for different shells though! |
| 18:04.50 | Geeko- | how to I run a program like pure-ftpd at startup? |
| 18:05.17 | caphuso | Geeko-: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:05.29 | obsidian | geeko- there's a sysadmi howto in google that covers startuup scripts |
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| 18:05.46 | Geeko- | k thanks guys I'll check 'em out |
| 18:05.55 | kekostar | :) |
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| 18:06.02 | bloom | Phated: no. it's annoying. it's much nicer to have dpkg say "I don't know what your talking about" and to be able to respond with !you're so cute |
| 18:06.35 | bloom | Phated: dpkg doesn't need to be mean unless we specifically ask it to |
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| 18:06.36 | grivell | packages.debian.org down eh? |
| 18:06.40 | Phated | bloom: Then learn to prefix responses to people with their nicks. :) |
| 18:06.47 | obsidian | sometime, here in #deb, annoyance is a feature and not a bug |
| 18:06.49 | caphuso | bloom: you did specifically ask it to |
| 18:06.59 | bloom | Phated: I omitted the nick on purpose, asking dpkg to be cute |
| 18:06.59 | Phated | I don't see how it's -mean-, though. |
| 18:07.08 | obsidian | how about IT NEVER NEDS TO BE MEAN? |
| 18:07.11 | obsidian | crazy idea |
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| 18:07.44 | Phated | When the heck is dpkg mean? You do realise all of you are talking about a bot. |
| 18:08.13 | obsidian | programmed by nasty bitter irc'ers |
| 18:08.36 | Phated | <shrug> Get used to it. |
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| 18:08.48 | obsidian | my point is proved |
| 18:08.57 | bloom | Phated, obsidian: I know I'm talking about a bot. And this is one instance where I want dpkg to be cute. |
| 18:08.59 | obsidian | i am used to it, thats my problem |
| 18:09.16 | abrotman | !say scarynetworkguy: talk to me!!! |
| 18:09.17 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy: talk to me!!! |
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| 18:09.31 | bloom | cannot remove factoid 'CMD: -i (.*?)', too old. (12813.7564236111>6048) use 'no,' instead |
| 18:09.36 | jcb | do someone know what bbras is a shortname for in the terminologi of network stuff? |
| 18:09.46 | Phated | bloom: Oh, ftlog, just leave it alone. |
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| 18:10.20 | Phated | Also Guerin++ for initiating use of that acronym. |
| 18:10.41 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 18:10.42 | cahoot | ftlog some relation to lol? |
| 18:10.58 | caphuso | cahoot: For The Love Of God |
| 18:11.12 | cahoot | should be a capital G then |
| 18:11.24 | scarynetworkguy | cahoot: no no it should not. |
| 18:11.35 | caphuso | or maybe Guerin, depends how weird Phated feels right now ;-) |
| 18:11.49 | Phated | Noooo... definitely NOT Guerin. |
| 18:11.49 | cahoot | should be a capital G then also |
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| 18:12.10 | nolle | Hi, I'm not sure if this is a BitchX question but when I try to join za.shadowfire.org it says "Address family not supported by protocol". Can anyone help explain what this means and how to fix it? |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | don't use bitchx |
| 18:12.25 | noobdebianinstal | i'm back! so, i entered my user name and password, and now I have a command prompt. how do i launch xwindows/kde |
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| 18:12.33 | caphuso | noobdebianinstal: startx |
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| 18:12.48 | noobdebianinstal | do i have to do this every time i boot? |
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| 18:13.02 | brb | Hello |
| 18:13.05 | Shadur | noobdebianinstal: If you want to, yes. |
| 18:13.05 | Phated | Don't boot. :) |
| 18:13.07 | caphuso | noobdebianinstal: no, only everytime you boot and want to start X |
| 18:13.15 | noobdebianinstal | heh |
| 18:13.19 | nolle | abrotman, what then do you suggest I use? |
| 18:13.21 | noobdebianinstal | how do i change that |
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| 18:13.25 | abrotman | nolle: irssi-text |
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| 18:13.31 | Shadur | Alternately, you could reconsider your decision not to install gdm |
| 18:13.32 | abrotman | nolan: i'm not sure it will fix that |
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| 18:13.42 | brb | I'm trying to find out how to set up a new user account. |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | nolle: err .. i'm not sure tha twill fix it |
| 18:13.51 | thomas_adam | brb: man adduser |
| 18:13.51 | jcarr | gdm sucks |
| 18:13.57 | jcarr | xdm is much much better imho |
| 18:14.01 | noobdebianinstal | hmm |
| 18:14.20 | Phated | Or heck, if you're using KDE, just install KDM for that yummy integrated shit. |
| 18:14.20 | caphuso | brb: adduser |
| 18:14.22 | brb | Okay, how do I get out of man page? I get stuck there. |
| 18:14.25 | jcarr | either that or kdm |
| 18:14.27 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 18:14.27 | dpkg | kdm is a PITA to configure! |
| 18:14.29 | thomas_adam | brb: q |
| 18:14.36 | jcarr | ???? |
| 18:14.44 | jcarr | kdm IS NOT a PITA to configure :P |
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| 18:15.09 | jcarr | I like gdm's graphical login screen though because it is done in xml and is easy to edit |
| 18:15.10 | brb | Just 'q'?, not '^q'? |
| 18:15.17 | nolle | abrotman: so the problem doesn't lie with bitchx? |
| 18:15.18 | malfoeForcast | brb: ctr+z should work |
| 18:15.32 | abrotman | nolle: i'm not sure . but bitchx is a bad irc client |
| 18:15.33 | brb | Thanks |
| 18:15.35 | thomas_adam | brb: Just q. |
| 18:15.37 | caphuso | malfoeForcast: that suspends and doesn't quit |
| 18:15.39 | Phated | Ctrl-Z places it in the BACKGROUND. It doesn't bloody quit it. |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | nolle: and you sohuld test somehting like that with another client |
| 18:15.51 | malfoeForcast | sorry my mistake |
| 18:15.55 | Phated | You don't want a whole load of stupif backgrounded processes... |
| 18:16.09 | calin | hmm |
| 18:16.11 | calin | weirdness |
| 18:16.14 | scarynetworkguy | WTF would you want to configure a dm in XML? |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: pure joy |
| 18:16.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:16.28 | calin | can someone tell me why i have a line in my /etc/fstab that mounts /dev at /.dev ? |
| 18:16.32 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: <because>It's like soo cool</because> |
| 18:16.47 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Heh. |
| 18:17.02 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You stay on your side of the country and I'll stay on mine. OK? |
| 18:17.05 | noobdebianinstal | ok, here is my new problem |
| 18:17.09 | noobdebianinstal | i got this error msg: |
| 18:17.10 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Usually, because it's an easy cop out from writing a proper config parser. |
| 18:17.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: warmdaddys? |
| 18:17.24 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Ahh. |
| 18:17.27 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: No. |
| 18:17.27 | nolle | abrotman: well I'm stuck with this client untill I finish downloading gnome :/, which is like 22hrs... |
| 18:17.33 | noobdebianinstal | (EE) Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration |
| 18:17.38 | jcarr | okay... I dunno why, but I found this in a comment on slashdot and for some reason found it to be completely silly (if not idiotic)... |
| 18:17.40 | jcarr | "So I'm a perl wizard (I have a beard and a hat too!) and I can do things with perl that is beyond the comprehension of most of the people I work with." |
| 18:17.42 | abrotman | nolle: stop the gnome install .. install irssi-text |
| 18:17.44 | noobdebianinstal | Fatal Service Error: no screen found |
| 18:17.58 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: warmdaddys? |
| 18:17.58 | caphuso | noobdebianinstal: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log to find out why |
| 18:18.09 | jcarr | why do I find that so amusing!? |
| 18:18.15 | noobdebianinstal | X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) |
| 18:18.23 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: It's east of the Rockies. So no. |
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| 18:18.31 | Phated | jcarr: It's infinitely more amusing that you actually read the comments on /.. |
| 18:18.33 | noobdebianinstal | caph: how? |
| 18:18.36 | Anynomous | abrotman: Bx is a great irc client |
| 18:18.40 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: is denver considered east of the rockies |
| 18:18.41 | Anynomous | nolle: bx rocks. |
| 18:18.43 | abrotman | Anynomous: no .. it's not |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | !bitchx |
| 18:18.47 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
| 18:18.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:18.53 | jcarr | Phated, I read slashdot only for the comments |
| 18:19.00 | joe233 | can someone send me the e100 binary !? |
| 18:19.03 | jcarr | I need to really stop though |
| 18:19.04 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Denver is pretty much were I draw the line. |
| 18:19.06 | caphuso | bxkill.pl++ |
| 18:19.06 | jcarr | it rots the brain |
| 18:19.07 | websdale | noobdebianinstal: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:19.14 | noobdebianinstal | thanks webs |
| 18:19.15 | Anynomous | abrotman: That idiots dunno how to use their client, doesn't make it bad. |
| 18:19.17 | Coke | jcarr: it's amusing on several levels |
| 18:19.23 | nolle | *sigh* |
| 18:19.24 | jcarr | I think comments on slashdot are worse for your brain than a bowl full of crystal meth |
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| 18:19.37 | Anynomous | abrotman: Besides, I happen to like quite a few of teh bx-quits. |
| 18:19.43 | hool | i want to make mIRC colors mandatory on irc.. |
| 18:19.44 | strubbel | is it normal that my inet address gots written to ~/.xauth when i start an X session? |
| 18:19.51 | hool | j/k ;) |
| 18:20.04 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: no Grand Forks ? |
| 18:20.05 | Coke | joe233: why? what is it? |
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| 18:20.14 | strubbel | and how can i prevent this? |
| 18:20.23 | Anynomous | abrotman: Which client do you use? |
| 18:20.33 | abrotman | Anynomous: xchat or irssi-text |
| 18:20.38 | myren | /etc/ld.so.conf has /usr/local/bin but i still have to manually export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/bin/pkgconfig/ .... any way i can fix taht? |
| 18:20.47 | joe233 | fuck debian... fucking garbage bloated os. |
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| 18:20.51 | Coke | myren: it's not recursive |
| 18:20.51 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:21.07 | thomas_adam | myren: /usr/local/bin shouldn't be in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 18:21.19 | myren | erm, sorry, /usr/local/lib |
| 18:21.20 | Anynomous | abrotman: : They're both inferiour to bx, IMHO. |
| 18:21.20 | hool | hmm. i can sense in joes aura that he is both corrupted by RH and that he's rotten to the core |
| 18:21.24 | Hamburglr | hey all could someone please help me - my NFS mount is hanging when I try to read it |
| 18:21.24 | abrotman | Anynomous: you're wrong |
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| 18:21.32 | kekostar | how i can install Xwith gnome from console in debian |
| 18:21.34 | Phated | bx is inferior to all. |
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| 18:21.37 | abrotman | see |
| 18:21.40 | Phated | 'nuff said. |
| 18:21.45 | hool | hmm.. |
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| 18:21.55 | Anynomous | Phated: You don't know what you're talking about. You're just copying what others say. |
| 18:21.59 | jcarr | bitchX - helping lamers feel l33t since 1998 |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | Anynomous: phated agrees with me .. and Phated is the smartest one here |
| 18:22.04 | mwilson | Hamburglr: So figure out why you can't contact the server. |
| 18:22.04 | myren | but pkgconfig is supposed to scan for pkgconfig directories in the lib's |
| 18:22.10 | nolle | It's just a fucking client. |
| 18:22.12 | abrotman | Anynomous: you're just proving our point .. |
| 18:22.12 | mwilson | myren: it is? |
| 18:22.13 | Anynomous | abrotman: Maybe, but you're still dead wrong. |
| 18:22.14 | hool | Phated, i can sense you havent experienced brevduva and attentat : D |
| 18:22.19 | abrotman | Anynomous: actually .. no you are |
| 18:22.24 | myren | mwilson: man it yourself |
| 18:22.26 | abrotman | and you're proving the point |
| 18:22.37 | scarynetworkguy | Anynomous: You *like* bitchx? |
| 18:22.41 | Phated | hool: I sense you need a better keyboard. Your ' key is broken. |
| 18:22.44 | Hamburglr | mwilson: it mounts fine, just when I try listing the files is when it messes up |
| 18:22.50 | Anynomous | abrotman: You say that, because you don't need a decent client .. you're happy if you can join several channels and enter text. |
| 18:22.50 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: he's advocating its usage |
| 18:22.57 | myren | oh weird |
| 18:22.58 | hool | Phated, nah man.. i just can't spell for shit ;) |
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| 18:23.03 | abrotman | Anynomous: and what makes bitchx so good that you use it? |
| 18:23.14 | Phated | Nor hit the shift key at the right time. |
| 18:23.18 | abrotman | please .. enlighten me |
| 18:23.18 | mwilson | Hamburglr: Yes, so as I said, figure out why you can't contact the server. |
| 18:23.29 | Coke | People like Joe233 makes me want to press the red button that makes the world go poo-poo. |
| 18:23.34 | nolle | Uhm, I thought this channel was there to help people, not bitch at people... |
| 18:23.36 | hool | b0rk b0rk b0rk |
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| 18:23.48 | Phated | How, precisely, is the ability to join more than one channel and enter text make a non-decent client? |
| 18:23.50 | abrotman | nolle: did oyu try another client to see if the problem persists? |
| 18:23.55 | Anynomous | abrotman: Its fast. It has the commands I need. It has proper window management. You can customize the behaviour very easy with variables. |
| 18:23.58 | Coke | nolle: some people are beyond help. |
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| 18:24.05 | hool | nolle, one thing doesn't exclude the other? :) |
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| 18:24.06 | abrotman | !moron Anynomous |
| 18:24.07 | dpkg | Anynomous: You are moron #99 |
| 18:24.18 | Anynomous | abrotman: In most cases, I hardly need to run a slowing script. |
| 18:24.26 | nolle | no, but like I said I can't apt-get anything untill gnome finishes |
| 18:24.26 | abrotman | nolle: does your problem persist with irssi-text? |
| 18:24.40 | abrotman | nolle: hit ctrl-c .. apt-get install irssi-text |
| 18:24.44 | Anynomous | !lart abrotman |
| 18:24.50 | Coke | Anynomous: I think that irssi-text is both faster and less memory consuming than XChat |
| 18:24.50 | Hamburglr | mwilson: ya mind elaborating? all the others boxes on the subnet can access the share fine, its just this one that's strange - I've tried everything I can think of |
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| 18:25.03 | abrotman | nolle: kill the gnome download for the moment |
| 18:25.13 | hool | abrotman, irssi is good |
| 18:25.15 | Anynomous | Coke: Thats most likely true. I don't advocate XChat though. I advocate BX. |
| 18:25.18 | Coke | Anynomous: also, window management has little to do with applications and more to do with (tada!) The Window Manager. |
| 18:25.21 | abrotman | hool: don't tell me .. tell Anynomous |
| 18:25.30 | Phated | nolle: Ctrl-C. And add irssi-text to the end of your apt-get line. |
| 18:25.31 | abrotman | Coke: he means like ctrl-p in irssi |
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| 18:25.36 | nolle | It can resume automatically? It doesn't re-dl everything? |
| 18:25.39 | Coke | aha. |
| 18:25.41 | abrotman | Phated: he's downloading gnome |
| 18:25.44 | hool | abrotman, you can lead a mule to water.. but you can't make it drink |
| 18:25.48 | abrotman | nolle: yes .. it will resume |
| 18:25.52 | Phated | abrotman: Soooooo? |
| 18:25.52 | noobdebianinstal | ok, so, these are the errors: |
| 18:25.55 | nolle | oh ok |
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| 18:26.00 | abrotman | Phated: he didn't realize it would contine |
| 18:26.03 | abrotman | err continue |
| 18:26.06 | Phated | abrotman: It'll just download gnome as well, plus irssi. |
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| 18:26.17 | noobdebianinstal | (WW) ***/cyrillic doest exist entry deleted |
| 18:26.19 | nolle | brb |
| 18:26.21 | kekostar | abrotman what is command to isntall X with gdm ? |
| 18:26.23 | scarynetworkguy | And one of those things is good. |
| 18:26.25 | abrotman | Phated: i want him to test this irssi before we see what the other problem could be |
| 18:26.26 | kekostar | i forgot it :( |
| 18:26.30 | noobdebianinstal | (WW) Cannot open APM |
| 18:26.33 | Coke | hm, bitchx is like irssi-text, but totally stuffed with unwanted crap that 13 year old wannabes think is cool and l337. |
| 18:26.36 | abrotman | kekostar: apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm |
| 18:26.37 | Anynomous | abrotman: Oh .. and irssi will never get the /detach command I hear .. that means you cannot move the client from one screen to another - you have to /quit instead. |
| 18:26.44 | noobdebianinstal | (EE) Fatal Service Error: no screen found |
| 18:26.44 | hool | nolle, i just had a thought and i _demand_ a penny for it :D |
| 18:26.51 | thomas_adam | Anynomous: screen. |
| 18:26.52 | Coke | Anynomous: eh, we use screen. |
| 18:26.55 | Phated | abrotman: Ahh, right. |
| 18:26.55 | Pauk | Anynomous: screen |
| 18:27.00 | abrotman | Anynomous: maybe you should try it and see .. i've used bitchx .. have you used irssi? |
| 18:27.04 | kekostar | thanx abrotman :) lov u ;) |
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| 18:27.06 | Anynomous | Pauk: Read what I say again. |
| 18:27.06 | Phated | abrotman: Er.... screen? |
| 18:27.08 | scarynetworkguy | Anynomous: Screen is your friend. |
| 18:27.16 | Coke | Anynomous: the POSIX-way; combine the usage of many tools to have the most customizable system ever |
| 18:27.18 | abrotman | !be a screen barbie |
| 18:27.19 | Anynomous | abrotman: Yes, and I don't think you /really/ used bx. |
| 18:27.19 | dpkg | awwww, screen is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 18:27.23 | Phated | C-a c-d, alt-f?, screen -r. |
| 18:27.30 | Pauk | Anynomous: Why, do you think I'm some stupid blind moron or something? I can read, I know what you said, I suggested an alternative. |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | Anynomous: sure i did .. then i found something better :) |
| 18:27.40 | TGM | do whe have a time frame for gluck comming back up? 0:00 UTC perhaps? |
| 18:27.42 | websdale | noobdebianinstal: whoa - don't paste here - paste in #flood - then we can see it as well |
| 18:27.44 | Pauk | Clearly a whole bunch of you in here are either stubborn or downright stupid. |
| 18:27.46 | Anynomous | abrotman: You mean .. you found something you could manage to use. |
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| 18:27.55 | calin | my exim is going friggen crazy |
| 18:27.56 | calin | can someone tell me why it's doing this? http://cbill.ath.cx/wtf.l |
| 18:27.56 | noobdebianinstal | sory web |
| 18:28.01 | calin | err |
| 18:28.04 | Coke | Anynomous: exactly what functionality is it you think irssi-text is lacking? |
| 18:28.05 | calin | http://cbill.ath.cx/wtf.log |
| 18:28.08 | Anynomous | abrotman: I'm not sayin you were too stupid for BitchX, I'm only suggesting it. ;-) |
| 18:28.08 | abrotman | Anynomous: you're really trying to troll aren't you?> |
| 18:28.16 | abrotman | Anynomous: i'm far smarter than you |
| 18:28.19 | zelevw | Hi guys...is there a way to automatically mount a smb share at login time? Thanks in advance! |
| 18:28.20 | Pauk | baha |
| 18:28.24 | Phated | Anynomous: So it has extraneous "features", and it's hard to use? Sounds real usable to me. |
| 18:28.29 | Anynomous | abrotman: Not when it comes to the choise of IRC-client. |
| 18:28.31 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 18:28.32 | hool | Anynomous, hey man.. can you troutslap fools using bitchX? 0_0 |
| 18:28.38 | Coke | zelevw: do you need to do it at login or is at boot sufficient? |
| 18:28.40 | abrotman | Anynomous: wanna make a bet? |
| 18:28.45 | Pauk | Ultimately, who cares what IRC client you use? :) |
| 18:28.46 | Anynomous | Phated: Far easier to use than irssi for me at least. |
| 18:28.48 | strubbel | from which device or proc-file can i read the netload of a certain if? |
| 18:28.54 | Coke | Anynomous: irssi-text is smaller and less bloated = better |
| 18:28.55 | abrotman | Anynomous: and you've just proved your stupidity |
| 18:28.58 | zelevw | Coke: it's a multiuser machine...it's gotta be at login time...thx |
| 18:29.06 | Phated | Hmmmm. |
| 18:29.14 | Phated | irssi-text hard to use... What -is- he saying? |
| 18:29.19 | abrotman | nolle: did you get irssi installed? |
| 18:29.20 | mwilson | Augh, I need to not browse amazon.com |
| 18:29.26 | zelevw | Coke: and the users are not technically inclined at all |
| 18:29.30 | abrotman | mwilson: buy buy buy!! |
| 18:29.35 | Anynomous | Phated: Well .. windows management for one thing. |
| 18:29.37 | Phated | Anynomous: And I -really- hate to say this, but you need to correct the spelling of your nick. |
| 18:29.39 | calin | Hey???! |
| 18:29.40 | nolle | Ok, how about, how do I go about fixing "Address family not supported by protocol" errors? |
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| 18:29.42 | scarynetworkguy | He has clearly both had the stupid water and opted for the pencil. |
| 18:29.45 | calin | oops, sorry on the repeat? |
| 18:29.46 | caphuso | put_it("ESC[35m ÜÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛßÛÛESC[1;45m°ąēESC[0;35;40m ESC[1;45mēąESC[0;35;40mßESC[1;32mÜESC[42mąēESC[40mÜESC[0;35;40m ESC[1;45mēESC[40mÞESC[0m"); |
| 18:29.49 | nolle | abrotman: yes |
| 18:29.52 | Phated | mwilson: What's it this time, then? |
| 18:29.53 | calin | but i still need help |
| 18:29.55 | mwilson | abrotman: I do that entirely too much as it is. |
| 18:29.56 | abrotman | nolan: and the problem persists? |
| 18:29.59 | caphuso | that's a line of the bitchx source... |
| 18:30.04 | Coke | zelevw: there's two ways. 1) is to let users mount smb shares to their own home directory and do it in the .bashrc (or .profile) scripts. 2) use automount which requires you to know a thing or two about how it works. |
| 18:30.09 | abrotman | mwilson: i know .. i avoid amazon for the same reason .. my wishlist is about 70 items :) |
| 18:30.16 | Anynomous | Phated: Well .. you like irssi .. be happy ... I just say that bx is better, if you get to know it. |
| 18:30.17 | Phated | caphuso: You're kidding. Tell us you're kidding. |
| 18:30.20 | caphuso | Phated: no |
| 18:30.24 | vir182_ | is there a way to "save" a system when dpkg and bash is not working anymore? |
| 18:30.28 | Coke | Anynomous: WHAT is better, exactly? |
| 18:30.39 | scarynetworkguy | Oh. My. God. |
| 18:30.40 | Phated | caphuso: Dear lord. |
| 18:30.41 | caphuso | Phated: it's full of straught escape characters |
| 18:30.47 | Coke | Anynomous: or are you simply failing to deliver any punch line for your joke? |
| 18:30.48 | zelevw | Coke: I'll give the first option a try...thanks again. |
| 18:30.48 | Pauk | vir182_: Fire up a UML and try for yourself. :) |
| 18:30.49 | caphuso | ^au^ai |
| 18:30.49 | nolle | abrotman, sorry, it's still downloading |
| 18:30.51 | abrotman | mwilson: yeah .. it can get expensive :) |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | nolle: oh ok .. you're on dialup? |
| 18:30.57 | Phated | caphuso: It doesn't have weird XML configs, does it? |
| 18:31.03 | Phated | mwilson: Heh. |
| 18:31.12 | nolle | adsl :P, long story why it's slow |
| 18:31.18 | vir182_ | Pauk: hehe, that's my problem. i did that on the uml and i would like to go back in the old stats |
| 18:31.21 | abrotman | nolle: less porn :) |
| 18:31.24 | caphuso | Phated: nope |
| 18:31.29 | Pauk | Oh, heh! |
| 18:31.32 | Phated | caphuso: Oh thank god. |
| 18:31.36 | Anynomous | Coke: I mentioned it already .. its fast, it has more commands that you need - pardon, that I need - it can detach. Also .. if you want to script in irssi, you need to write the script externally, then load it .. very unhandy. |
| 18:31.45 | nolle | abrotman: the problem lies more with my provider, they are retards |
| 18:31.51 | calin | Hey, I need help here, I want to know why this is happening because it sods down my computer when it happens heavily |
| 18:31.56 | abrotman | nolle: ah ok |
| 18:31.56 | Pauk | I'd imagine if you found a compressed (tar, bzip, take your pick) copy of dpkg and the required tools, you could install them by hand then just 'upgrade' them via dpkg |
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| 18:31.59 | Anynomous | coke: But if you're happy with irssi, you probably don't need bx, so enjoy. |
| 18:32.11 | abrotman | noone needs bitchx |
| 18:32.14 | strubbel | is it normal that my inet address gots written to ~/.xauth when i start an X session? |
| 18:32.23 | Anynomous | I am not here to advocate bx .. I just recent the comments made by ignorants. |
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| 18:32.28 | Coke | Anynomous: I don't want a build-in window manager in my IRC client, I don't want a built-in script editor in my IRC-client. I already use screen and emacs, thank's. irssi-text is _faster_ because it's smaller and, like you said, contains LESS CRAP! |
| 18:32.31 | abrotman | no .. we know |
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| 18:32.33 | strubbel | and how can i prevent this? |
| 18:32.44 | abrotman | strubbel: this is a problem why? |
| 18:32.44 | malfoeForcast | is anyone having any connection probs with ftp.de.debia.org? |
| 18:32.47 | Anynomous | I am here because I cannot get the mouse to work in WINE with Theme Hospital |
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| 18:32.52 | sussudio | !irritate malfoeForcast |
| 18:32.53 | dpkg | malfoeForcast: wenas who uses cable !!!1 |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | malfoeForcast: it had porn |
| 18:32.57 | caphuso | malfoeForcast: use ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 18:33.02 | xWin2 | hello! |
| 18:33.04 | strubbel | abrotman: its because home/unix:0 suffices. |
| 18:33.10 | caphuso | abrotman: no, that's ftp2.de.d.o |
| 18:33.13 | mwilson | Here we go again... change the bloody sources.list already! Changing your nick isn't going to change the answer you get. |
| 18:33.14 | abrotman | malfoeForcast: err mm yeah .. what caphuso said :) |
| 18:33.19 | nolle | what is the debian setup thing called again? |
| 18:33.23 | [sLiM] | hi is anyone using the 6111 nvidia drivers? |
| 18:33.24 | strubbel | and with dynamic ip it gets filled |
| 18:33.25 | xWin2 | how to limit ip to p2p ? iptables dstlimit ??? |
| 18:33.27 | abrotman | nolle: to setup what? |
| 18:33.31 | malfoeForcast | what do ou meanchange my nick |
| 18:33.33 | nolle | nm |
| 18:33.35 | Anynomous | Phated: Oh .. and guess what .. Anonymous was taken. ;-) |
| 18:33.37 | abrotman | [sLiM]: #nvidia |
| 18:33.37 | Coke | Anynomous: by your logic, Outlook would be the ideal e-mail client because it has an HTML-editor, a calendar and a built-in address book. nevermind the fact that you can have separate tools for all those functions and combine them at wish, no, let's bloat the sucker until it consumes three DVD's. |
| 18:33.38 | Phated | nolle: debconf? |
| 18:33.46 | mwilson | !anyone |
| 18:33.46 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 18:34.03 | mwilson | [sLiM]: Do you have an *actual* question, or are you taking a survey. |
| 18:34.03 | Phated | Anynomous: Awww, isn't it sad? He types faster AND spells better! I'm sorry, I truly am. |
| 18:34.04 | malfoeForcast | ok ftp2 then in the source list, cheers guys |
| 18:34.16 | abrotman | caphuso: the porn is gone :( |
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| 18:34.23 | Anynomous | coke: Actually I use Ximian evolution .. but thats beside the point. |
| 18:34.32 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Anynomous about unix philosophy |
| 18:34.32 | abrotman | oh god |
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| 18:34.43 | [sLiM] | question, i need to install the 6111 drivers but i get errors |
| 18:34.48 | Phated | Ehh, evo, eh. |
| 18:34.48 | Anynomous | phated: I think you're truely sarcastic. :-) |
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| 18:34.53 | caphuso | abrotman: damn... right in the middle of my download! |
| 18:34.58 | strubbel | abrotman: its normal?...i can't prexent X from doin that? |
| 18:35.02 | Phated | Anynomous: Look, the first obvious message you got! Huzzah! |
| 18:35.05 | abrotman | caphuso: heh |
| 18:35.14 | Coke | Anynomous: ok. thank you. you just confirmed my suspicion that you like bloatware. |
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| 18:35.16 | [sLiM] | i think i had it but it said the nvidia.ko is 6629 instead of 6111 |
| 18:35.16 | caphuso | strubbel: why is that a problem? |
| 18:35.21 | strubbel | s/prexent/prevent/ |
| 18:35.22 | abrotman | strubbel: ask #xfree86 ? .. i'm not sure if it is normal |
| 18:35.27 | [sLiM] | i need a 6111 nvidia.ko file |
| 18:35.27 | BBearr | hello again, this time from debian |
| 18:35.45 | tazle | uhm |
| 18:35.49 | Coke | [sLiM]: download the nvidia drivers and do what the instructions say. |
| 18:35.51 | tazle | how to skip phases in the installation? |
| 18:35.53 | xWin2 | help with iptables and dstlimit! |
| 18:35.53 | strubbel | abrotman: i did, there're only 10 people or so |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | strubbel: there's usually about 30 |
| 18:36.04 | strubbel | abrotman: no answer |
| 18:36.14 | Coke | !tell xWin2 about ask |
| 18:36.23 | noobdebianinstal | can anyone help with my (EE) Screen not found error that i posted in #flood? |
| 18:36.30 | BBearr | I'm having trouble configuring xserver with my ATI 9200 128M video card |
| 18:36.34 | tazle | I'm installing on nfsroot, and I can't seem to get past "partition disks" |
| 18:36.35 | Coke | noobdebianinstal: paste again |
| 18:36.46 | Anynomous | Here is my question: Where do I check if Theme Hospital will run with wine, and maybe what I need to do to get it working? |
| 18:37.11 | Coke | Anynomous: install wine, Theme Hospital, try to run Theme Hospital. |
| 18:37.12 | abrotman | #winehq |
| 18:37.12 | Anynomous | http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 18:37.13 | xWin2 | Coke: i need limit mldonkey from lan |
| 18:37.14 | Phated | There's a Wine software list on winehq. |
| 18:37.24 | Anynomous | Coke: I did .. it didn't work ... |
| 18:37.26 | abrotman | Anynomous: ask #winehq .. i heard they like bitchx |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:37.32 | Anynomous | Pha: yeah .. I got it .. |
| 18:37.32 | Pauk | Anynomous, you proclaim you're so smart? How about you make your first step google.com - where all people with an IQ over 10 go to find stuff. :) |
| 18:37.37 | strubbel | abrotman: let's make a test...did you log into X with an allready established ppp link? |
| 18:37.40 | Coke | xWin2: you should try tldp.org and read the guides |
| 18:37.41 | Anynomous | pauk: I don't say I am smart |
| 18:37.45 | abrotman | apparently the tab completion on bitchx is broken |
| 18:37.52 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 18:37.53 | Anynomous | pauk: That was scarynetworkguy. |
| 18:37.53 | Coke | Anynomous: so you've already checked that it doesn't work then |
| 18:37.55 | abrotman | strubbel: cable modem .. and i use gdm |
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| 18:38.06 | Anynomous | never mind .. Phated helped me. |
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| 18:38.22 | strubbel | abrotman: so the answer is yes? |
| 18:38.22 | abrotman | Phated: i claimed you're an idiot .. will you help me? |
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| 18:38.29 | abrotman | strubbel: i have no .xauth file |
| 18:38.41 | Phated | abrotman: Oh, gee, I sure will! After all, I'm dumb enough to! |
| 18:38.48 | abrotman | Phated: thank god .. |
| 18:39.00 | Phated | abrotman: Why I did it, I'll never know. |
| 18:39.01 | Anynomous | abrotman: Apparently you claim that everyone who doesn't prefer the same programmes as you do is idiots. |
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| 18:39.17 | abrotman | Anynomous: no .. not at all .. your reasons are idiotic :) |
| 18:39.19 | Pauk | No, I think he just calls the clueless ones idiots. ;) |
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| 18:39.32 | Anynomous | oh .. go home to your mother, Pauk. |
| 18:39.34 | Coke | abrotman: the guy uses Evolution |
| 18:39.38 | Coke | abrotman: for MUA |
| 18:39.39 | Phated | No, you claimed -I- was an idiot. <shrug> Granted, I've been called worse. It's a tough crowd. |
| 18:39.42 | Pauk | Pfft. |
| 18:39.45 | abrotman | Coke: i do too .. for my ISP mail that i don't care about :) |
| 18:39.47 | ErikHK2 | how do i configure PHP with GD in Debian? |
| 18:39.54 | Coke | abrotman: why? |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | ErikHK2: apt-cache search php gd |
| 18:40.07 | abrotman | Coke: because i don't care if it goes poof? |
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| 18:40.15 | strubbel | abrotman: ok, me either, i wrontyped it, its .Xauthority, just do xauth list and tell me if you have additional entries to /home/unix/:0 or something? |
| 18:40.15 | Coke | abrotman: but it's suboptimal |
| 18:40.16 | Pauk | Anynomous, if it weren't quarter to five in the morning, I might actually be half interested in arguing with you further. But I'm hardly learning anything interesting here, so I'll just bugger off and leave you to measure your penises. |
| 18:40.18 | xelam|home | ErikHK2: apt-get install php4-gd :P |
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| 18:40.22 | abrotman | Coke: it is .. |
| 18:40.24 | scarynetworkguy | Coke: Cleary he has opted for the pencil. |
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| 18:40.36 | abrotman | strubbel: oh .. moment |
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| 18:40.41 | ErikHK2 | i already have it installed, but I have to do something more... |
| 18:40.45 | ErikHK2 | to get it to work.. |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | strubbel: don't see my IP in it |
| 18:41.00 | abrotman | ErikHK2: restart apache |
| 18:41.05 | Coke | ErikHK2: yes, you need to tell PHP to load the SO file. edit the configuration file, read the readme's under /usr/share/doc |
| 18:41.07 | ErikHK2 | only that? |
| 18:41.16 | abrotman | ErikHK2: it normally does the rest for you |
| 18:41.19 | noobdebianinstal | coke:repasted |
| 18:41.24 | Sandman | What's the easiest way to setup a debian stable box to do NAT routing and as a DHCP server which hands out IPs to a net which is compatible to be routed via NAT @ the server? |
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| 18:41.28 | Sandman | Can it all be done via webmin? |
| 18:41.33 | strubbel | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:41.35 | Sandman | Or, is there something better than webmin? |
| 18:41.40 | paulswm | Phated you idiot my knopx he don't boot help me now kthx |
| 18:42.03 | Coke | noobdebianinstal: problem is that you have misconfigured X. |
| 18:42.04 | abrotman | !annoy Phated |
| 18:42.04 | strubbel | abrotman: it seems that this needs a little resarch by me |
| 18:42.05 | dpkg | Phated: PLZ!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 18:42.05 | Anynomous | Pauk: Thanks. |
| 18:42.18 | Phated | paulswm: Not working, man. You're a #d-o populant, it automatically strikes you off the dumb list. |
| 18:42.29 | Coke | !annoy abrotman |
| 18:42.31 | dpkg | abrotman: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 18:42.32 | abrotman | Phated: me too? |
| 18:42.35 | scarynetworkguy | Sandman: apt-get install impmasq |
| 18:42.41 | paulswm | Phated: heh, my $0.02 is you're a smart cookie |
| 18:43.09 | Phated | paulswm: Thanks, man. Love the affirmation. :) |
| 18:43.16 | Phated | abrotman: Yeah you too. Hush up now. :) |
| 18:43.21 | Sandman | scarynetworkguy: not found |
| 18:43.24 | Coke | I _disagree_ about the cookie part |
| 18:43.26 | BBearr | Can someone tell me how to configure xserver to find my ATI 9200? |
| 18:43.27 | abrotman | Phated: Oh .. could you tell the bitchx guy? :) |
| 18:43.28 | Sandman | scarynetworkguy: Debian Stable |
| 18:43.38 | abrotman | !tell BBearr about ati drivers |
| 18:43.44 | scarynetworkguy | Sandman: Go search for it. |
| 18:43.52 | Phated | abrotman: Pffft. I speak not to those who insult my friends. |
| 18:43.56 | Sandman | scarynetworkguy: You mean ipmasq? |
| 18:43.56 | abrotman | Phated: heh |
| 18:44.04 | Coke | BBearr: the xfree86 servers don't find anything, you tell them what to do. |
| 18:44.11 | Coke | BBearr: you need to read the instructions on ATI |
| 18:44.13 | scarynetworkguy | Sandman: Yeah that sounds right. |
| 18:44.16 | Coke | BBearr: on ATI's site |
| 18:44.27 | Anynomous | phated: winehq apparently got worse than it used to be .. but thanks for the reference anyhow. |
| 18:44.42 | johnnyST | BBearr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:44.46 | johnnyST | BBearr: |
| 18:44.46 | Phated | Anynomous: <shrug> Wine got better than the last time I used it though. |
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| 18:45.06 | johnnyST | BBearr: dexconf |
| 18:45.13 | BBearr | Right, I've reconfigured several times, but it doesn't read the card at PCI:1:0:0, and says that it can't find it at PCI:1:0:1 |
| 18:45.25 | Anynomous | phated: Yeah .. but the site used to have a huge db over applications .. with details. |
| 18:45.28 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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| 18:45.35 | abrotman | Anynomous: #winehq .. for the 3rd time |
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| 18:45.37 | Coke | Wine works so well. In fact, it emulates Win32 so well that StarCraft installed three weeks ago, but no it won't (some mysterious error from the installer). And the old installation even crashes occationally, just like the original did in Windows 98. |
| 18:45.42 | Phated | Anynomous: <shrug> Look on the main winehq site. |
| 18:45.56 | Anynomous | abrotman: Maybe I got a little excited .. just don't like people to put down my fav. client. |
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| 18:46.07 | Anynomous | abrotman: At any rate .. sorry .. |
| 18:46.11 | johnnyST | BBearr: Well what dose lspci say? |
| 18:46.15 | Anynomous | abrotman .. but its sunday .. |
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| 18:46.27 | abrotman | !sing sunday |
| 18:46.27 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 18:46.38 | Coke | If only wine would somehow execute downloaded binaries and vbscript automatically so trojans could spread more easily, it would be a perfect Windows emulation. |
| 18:46.40 | BBearr | I haven't run lspci, just used the info from my BIOS. |
| 18:47.03 | Sandman | Coke: Let's not forget filesystem corruption |
| 18:47.03 | noobdebianinstal | <----is also having issues with an ATI 9200 |
| 18:47.05 | Phated | Anynomous: You'd be surprised how people don't like their favourite clients put down too. |
| 18:47.42 | noobdebianinstal | !tell noobdebianinstall about ati drivers |
| 18:47.48 | user01 | hmmm my k3b is making cds but they are skipping all over in places...is this because i have oss installed? |
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| 18:48.01 | johnnyST | BBearr, talk to the X ppl perhaps.. |
| 18:48.23 | johnnyST | BBearr, might be missing AGP drivers as well.. |
| 18:48.36 | Coke | BBearr: have you read the instructions from ATI? |
| 18:48.49 | nolle | uhm, can someone give me a generic addy for a ports/things-that-apt-gets mirror site? |
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| 18:48.54 | user01 | if i use grip and extract tracks manually it works ok...but the problem is that right now im trying to making a live cd |
| 18:49.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper |
| 18:49.04 | user01 | clone one |
| 18:49.12 | BBearr | I just ran lspci, and get two ids for my card, one at 01:00:0 and a second at 01:00:1 |
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| 18:49.13 | strubbel | from which device or proc-file can i read the netload of a certain interface? |
| 18:49.16 | Coke | noobdebianinstal: don't send private messages unless you want to talk about my private life. my only advice to you is to read the instructions that ATI has for installing their drivers and using them in XFree86. |
| 18:49.40 | nikolas | hello, is there a way to make a 400gb partition from 2 hdd 200gb each (same model) |
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| 18:49.49 | mwilson | Why do people think they need to make liveCD's? Aren't there enough of the useless things running around already? |
| 18:49.50 | Coke | nikolas: try LVM |
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| 18:50.15 | nikolas | someone told me something about software raid ... is that good ? |
| 18:50.16 | Coke | mwilson: what? can't they boot from USB storage devices? |
| 18:50.28 | BBearr | ATI has a propietary driver, but I haven't tried that yet. |
| 18:50.30 | Coke | nikolas: could be. |
| 18:50.33 | Sandman | How useful is watchdog? |
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| 18:50.41 | Coke | Sandman: extremely |
| 18:50.47 | Sandman | Coke: That's what I figured. |
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| 18:50.58 | Sandman | Coke: Not that it would crash often anyway, that's why I was wonderin |
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| 18:51.27 | Sandman | Will chroots ever be made difficult to get out of? |
| 18:51.34 | Sandman | Or even impossible? |
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| 18:51.40 | Coke | Sandman: it is almost as important to programming multi tasked systems as mutexes. |
| 18:52.06 | Coke | Sandman: why would they? what's the point of making that difficult? |
| 18:52.15 | zOap | anyone know which gdeklets I can use to access maildirs? |
| 18:52.25 | myren | is there any viable way to add unix sockets to /etc/services? |
| 18:52.37 | ErikHK2 | can u tell me how to easily check whether I have GD or not?? |
| 18:52.38 | nolle | what is the default debian packages mirror? |
| 18:52.51 | sunkan | I'm new to debian so can someone tell me how to find out which package I need to install to get /usr/sbin/rpc.gssd, I'm running sarge if that matters? I'm trying to mount a nfs4 share with kerberos authentication. |
| 18:53.04 | Coke | ErikHK2: <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | ErikHK2: phpinfo() |
| 18:53.13 | ErikHK2 | Coke, yeah, of course :D |
| 18:53.14 | Coke | ErikHK2: write that in a PHP-file and access it through your web-server. |
| 18:53.16 | ErikHK2 | thanks |
| 18:53.23 | abrotman | ErikHK2: or ask #php |
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| 18:53.31 | ErikHK2 | on freenode? |
| 18:53.36 | Coke | yep |
| 18:53.47 | ErikHK2 | :) |
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| 18:54.12 | noobdebianinstal | *sighs* |
| 18:54.27 | Coke | Despite it's appearant lack of technical endeavour, PHP is free software. |
| 18:54.29 | Sandman | Coke: Well, for example: It would allow one to run a largely QA-less distro such as Gentoo within a chroot (when you can make of a service which isn't very stable or particularly mature in any way) |
| 18:54.54 | Sandman | Coke: And just run that service @ the chroot. So if it gets comprimised, the worst that could happen is the chroot is messed. |
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| 18:55.07 | Coke | Sandman: you know you can run jailed systems? that is like running a Linux instance in user-space. |
| 18:55.09 | Sandman | Coke: Doesn't SElinux do something about this? |
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| 18:55.16 | boicy | hello |
| 18:55.19 | strubbel | does a usb 2.0 pci cards with 4 slots have 2 seperate hubs or is it one as on 2 slot card? |
| 18:55.25 | Sandman | Coke: Are you referring to Usermodelinux? |
| 18:55.12 | boicy | how can i avoid x to start?? |
| 18:55.16 | mwilson | strubbel: Wouldn't the documentation for the card be a good place to start? |
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| 18:55.26 | Coke | Sandman: don't know. but it will become a new, fully usable, virtual system. |
| 18:55.28 | scarynetworkguy | Usermodelinux is tasty stuff. |
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| 18:55.35 | Coke | Sandman: and chroot doesn't do that, it just changes the filesystem root. |
| 18:55.39 | Sandman | Coke: Wonder if it will become part of Debian Stable someday =) |
| 18:55.42 | BBearr | Another question: how do I boot directly from the hard disk? When I try it, it stalls. |
| 18:55.51 | pingouin_ | anyone own an Scanner Epson perfection 2480/2580 ? |
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| 18:55.57 | strubbel | mwilson: i've none...am going to buy one :) |
| 18:55.58 | Sandman | Coke: Right. Which doesn't say anything about safety, or security, or access to other parts of the filesystem. |
| 18:55.59 | thegraham | just got debian running on desktop, and its all fine except moz firefox and thunderbird menus. When i move my mouse over a heading/submenu it turns white and i cant read the text. how do I fix this? |
| 18:56.08 | Sandman | Coke: User-mode-linux sounds like it would be the way to go, then. Thanks |
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| 18:56.13 | Coke | Sandman: right. |
| 18:56.18 | astronut | issource forge down? |
| 18:56.22 | scarynetworkguy | pingouin_: Nope. Nobody. You are the only person who ever bought one. |
| 18:56.25 | astronut | *is sourceforge down? |
| 18:56.31 | Coke | Sandman: I have colleagues who have run jailed systems on Debian. |
| 18:56.39 | ErikHK2 | what should the phpinfo(); say about GD? |
| 18:56.40 | Sandman | Coke: May I speak with them? =) |
| 18:56.42 | Sandman | Coke: brb |
| 18:56.42 | bloom | astronut: no |
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| 18:56.50 | astronut | hmm |
| 18:56.51 | fatal_ | thegraham: I noticed the same bug.... IIRC it could be worked around by changing gnome/gtk theme. |
| 18:56.52 | astronut | i can get to sf.net |
| 18:56.56 | astronut | but not download something |
| 18:57.05 | bloom | astronut: try a different mirror |
| 18:57.18 | astronut | bloom: i can't get the mirror list |
| 18:57.20 | astronut | was my point |
| 18:57.22 | astronut | prdownloads.sf.net |
| 18:57.23 | astronut | or w/e |
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| 18:57.57 | tarzeau | is there anyone who'd like to package something for debian? what would that be? |
| 18:58.08 | mrwill | tarzeau: package what? |
| 18:58.17 | tarzeau | mrwill: any free software, that isn't yet |
| 18:58.19 | astronut | prdownloads.sourceforge.net seems down |
| 18:58.30 | myren | cin is just a fd zero right? |
| 18:58.35 | boicy | how can i avoid x to start before it does?? |
| 18:58.37 | bloom | astronut: I can ping it, but I seem to be having the same problem as you |
| 18:58.37 | myren | erp, sorry, wrong chan |
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| 18:58.46 | astronut | bloom: grr |
| 18:58.52 | astronut | bloom: thanks |
| 18:58.54 | bucky | tarzeau, any specific package in mind? |
| 18:58.57 | astronut | just so i know it's not me |
| 18:58.57 | mrwill | tarzeau: well, the unspecific invitation isn't very exciting. are you offering help in how to make packages? |
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| 18:59.26 | fish_ | re |
| 18:59.28 | tarzeau | mrwill: yes, but don't know yet what, i'd like something graphical, to show off menu , icon etc |
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| 18:59.33 | rdancer | why hasn't kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 had security updates since April 2004, and why doesn't anybody (cafuego, caphuso) know about it, and why doesn't anybody seem to care about it? |
| 18:59.40 | fatal_ | thegraham: here's the bug for the problem.... it has some useful info... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=257430 |
| 18:59.41 | tarzeau | bucky: no, anything that's not yet done. so the work is not wasted completely |
| 18:59.41 | Coke | tarzeau: if you want you can package a piece of crap software I whipped up to maintain RSS feeds for large file-based sites. |
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| 18:59.49 | abrotman | rdancer: ask the security team |
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| 18:59.51 | tarzeau | Coke: url? |
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| 18:59.58 | caphuso | rdancer: good question. that problem has been fixed in the sarge 2.4 images, no idea why it hasn't been done for woody |
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| 19:00.09 | Coke | tarzeau: http://petergebauer.info/dl/filerss-0.6.tar.bz2 |
| 19:00.11 | BBearr | How do I boot directly from the hard drive? It stalls on me... |
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| 19:00.25 | Coke | tarzeau: I haven't even tested it yet, hehe. |
| 19:00.32 | mrwill | BBearr: need a bootloader installed, but usually this isn't a problem. |
| 19:00.44 | tarzeau | Coke: you can also make it .tar.gz ? |
| 19:00.44 | Coke | tarzeau: the person I made it for has shut down his FTP server. |
| 19:00.59 | bucky | tarzeau, i was looking over the list of orphaned packages... |
| 19:01.00 | Coke | tarzeau: well. what's wrong with bzip2? |
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| 19:01.03 | mrwill | BBearr: what is the error you get? |
| 19:01.06 | thegraham | How do I install a package from a different version of debian (im running testing but want to install an unstable package) using apt-get without changing config? |
| 19:01.12 | tarzeau | Coke: ugh python. i'd prefer something with configure, make, make install |
| 19:01.22 | tarzeau | Coke: makes it easier if it's .gz :) |
| 19:01.33 | Coke | tarzeau: it has a makefile |
| 19:01.36 | BBearr | My BIOS lets me select which drive to boot from, but then it just stalls. I don't get any error, just a blinking cursor. |
| 19:01.41 | Coke | tarzeau: not, it's just as easy with bzip2 |
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| 19:01.50 | tazle | hmm, does the default installer kernel lack nfs support? |
| 19:01.52 | Coke | tarzeau: all commands that can do gzip can now do bzip2 too |
| 19:01.59 | Newport | hi how can i tell how much ram is in my system? |
| 19:02.05 | mrwill | Newport: free |
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| 19:02.09 | tarzeau | Coke: bzip2 is like hellish slow (on non-supercomputers) |
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| 19:02.12 | Coke | tarzeau: and users won't notice that it is written in Python |
| 19:02.14 | rdancer | how is it possible Martin Schulze from the DST can write ``I hope to be able to update [the kernel packages] in the coming weeks''? |
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| 19:02.26 | Coke | tarzeau: yes, but it has vastly superior compression |
| 19:02.39 | tarzeau | Coke: nah! i'd still take gzip -9 |
| 19:02.40 | zd | hi |
| 19:02.46 | Coke | tarzeau: and 13k bzip2 uncompression takes about 3 seconds on my 486, so.. |
| 19:02.51 | Newport | heh thats what i thought... "581428" i have 256, 256 and a 128.. damn now i need to upgrade the bios |
| 19:02.53 | Newport | grrr |
| 19:02.55 | mrwill | BBearr: hmmm, something is wrong then. What did you do before this? |
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| 19:03.02 | tarzeau | Coke: ok ok :) i meant for large files. |
| 19:03.04 | Coke | tarzeau: just compare the output sizes, you'll see. |
| 19:03.10 | abrotman | rdancer: que? |
| 19:03.15 | mrwill | Newport: could try free -m to see display in megs. |
| 19:03.15 | BBearr | I'm booting from a floppy. |
| 19:03.20 | Sandman | Coke: What I'm looking to do is setup a UML jail that will operate _behind_ the system it's running under. That is, it's a star topology, and I want it to act as one of the nodes. The host system will be a gateway/NAT/Firewall/Whatnot, and I'd like the UML to appear to be behind it, and not open to the outside. This way, UML will be on the same class C as the other computers on the network, but no external IP. Is this do-able? |
| 19:03.27 | noobdebianinstal | how do i exit less? |
| 19:03.33 | bogon | q |
| 19:03.38 | Phated | noobdebianinstal: q |
| 19:03.47 | noobdebianinstal | tanks |
| 19:03.52 | zd | I have a question on how to build a third-party kernel module on Debian, and I've used other distros before but not Debian and its kernel system |
| 19:04.11 | scarynetworkguy | Are very useful. |
| 19:04.13 | Nic__ | zd: there are nice howtos for that |
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| 19:04.18 | Coke | Sandman: I don't understand what you just told me and I'm not familiar with the do's and dont's of jailed systems. |
| 19:04.18 | mrwill | zd: debian has its own tool for this kind of thing, called make-kpkg |
| 19:04.25 | zd | I've tried looking at them |
| 19:04.29 | scarynetworkguy | !tell zd about ask |
| 19:04.32 | rdancer | how is it possible #284875 still haven't been worked around? |
| 19:04.37 | Sandman | Coke: Rightio. |
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| 19:04.40 | zd | they seem to say "make a new kernel first" |
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| 19:04.53 | mrwill | zd: right, well, you don't have to do that if you just want a module. |
| 19:04.54 | Nic__ | zd: you need to put your module in /usr/src/modules , and make-kpkg will build it automatically |
| 19:04.59 | at0m|c | i need to install libglib2.0-dev, but it refuses since it wants libglib2.0 2.4.7-1 instead of 2.4.8-1... any hints? |
| 19:05.03 | Coke | tarzeau: in any case, there's only one file (the executable), one library and one manual page to install in that tarball. |
| 19:05.11 | strubbel | can anyone tell me why pppd with persist and holdoff 30 does no reconnection when the isp quits the link? |
| 19:05.22 | tarzeau | Coke: no no, i'll want something graphical |
| 19:05.25 | Coke | tarzeau: the debian package would be very easy to make, but alas, I am not a qualified Debian developer and hence may not add stuff to Sid. |
| 19:05.29 | zd | even if it's not a debian-packaged module? |
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| 19:05.31 | tarzeau | Coke: i already found something |
| 19:05.35 | Coke | tarzeau: good. |
| 19:05.42 | tarzeau | Coke: you can be a debian maintainer |
| 19:05.42 | zd | specifically it's the module for spca50x-based webcams |
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| 19:05.45 | mrwill | at0m|c: you can specify versions to apt-get if the packages exist. |
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| 19:06.02 | mrwill | zd: yes, you can build any module you want yourself. |
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| 19:06.03 | piratePenguin | hello, I'm is it the iso's in ftp://ftp.esat.net/pub/linux/debian-cd/3.0_r4/i386/ I'd want for Debian? |
| 19:06.03 | at0m|c | mrwill: oki then it forces? |
| 19:06.04 | tarzeau | Coke: package it, put it on a website, file an itp, tell someone looks at it. but do you think anyone would install/use it? |
| 19:06.10 | rdancer | indeed, how is it possible the security holes i know about are not being fixed; there is no sign that they are worked upon, that anybody cares in fact? |
| 19:06.27 | zd | well I know how to build it on Mandrake, if I have all the kernel devel stuff, just untar it and do make |
| 19:06.31 | rdancer | abrotman: build que? since april 2004? hardly... |
| 19:06.31 | Coke | tarzeau: I haven't found anything like it in any other distribution |
| 19:06.31 | mrwill | at0m|c: sometimes there are two versions of a package available, in that case, you can specify a version and pick one. see the manpage for more info. |
| 19:06.38 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: In what branch? |
| 19:06.47 | mrwill | zd: well, you could do it that way, it just wouldn't be the debian way. |
| 19:06.49 | Coke | tarzeau: and it's becomming more popular with RSS feeds |
| 19:06.49 | jetscreamer | !tell piratePenguin about d-i |
| 19:06.50 | at0m|c | mrwill: thanks, will try! |
| 19:07.03 | abrotman | rdancer: the link where martin says that |
| 19:07.11 | mrwill | at0m|c: sure, good luck. |
| 19:07.11 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: stable. the wget bug in every branch including wget cvs |
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| 19:07.21 | rdancer | abrotman: mnnt. |
| 19:07.24 | zd | but here in Debian it gives me" |
| 19:07.25 | zd | make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/root/spca5xx-20050116 modules |
| 19:07.25 | zd | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-powerpc/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 19:07.25 | rdancer | *mmnt... |
| 19:07.42 | Coke | tarzeau: my program catalogues files in directories using reg exps and produces an RSS-feed based on that information. |
| 19:07.47 | tarzeau | Coke: can you show me what it does? |
| 19:07.53 | mrwill | zd: well, you really ought to use make-kpkg. have you installed your kernel headers? |
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| 19:08.01 | zd | yes |
| 19:08.02 | Coke | tarzeau: do you know what RSS is? |
| 19:08.02 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: I'd try asking that upstream. |
| 19:08.07 | tarzeau | Coke: some example site using it would be great advertisement for it |
| 19:08.08 | piratePenguin | jetscreamer: thansk |
| 19:08.10 | BBearr | Where should I look for my boot files/loader? |
| 19:08.12 | tarzeau | Coke: yes |
| 19:08.16 | mrwill | Coke: you know, that sounds pretty interesting. |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | /boot/ .. oddl |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | y |
| 19:08.29 | Coke | tarzeau: well. I can't really give you authorization to those sites. :) |
| 19:08.30 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.35 | mrwill | Coke: I've been playing around with rss feeds myself recently. |
| 19:08.37 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: upstream won't fix it. they are not up to |
| 19:08.41 | Coke | mrwill: well. if you'd like to try it out I'd be happy. |
| 19:08.44 | tarzeau | Coke: pity, can you make one just to show what it is? |
| 19:08.52 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: they hardly can code in C |
| 19:09.04 | Coke | It's all GPL'ed and I'd be happy to have someone else work on it too. I'd even setup a Savannah project site for it. |
| 19:09.04 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: In that case I'd submit a patch to the DD. |
| 19:09.13 | Coke | tarzeau: I can make the RSS-feed file for you if you want. |
| 19:09.28 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: but there is no patch to submit. |
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| 19:09.36 | mrwill | Coke: well, if it is of releasable quality, I'd at least look at it. What language did you do it in? |
| 19:09.37 | Coke | tarzeau: but you will find out more by reading the manual page |
| 19:09.45 | Coke | mrwill: Python |
| 19:09.52 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: There will be right after you write it, won't there? |
| 19:09.52 | Coke | mrwill: it's very compact and very simple. |
| 19:09.57 | Coke | mrwill: < 500 lines of code total |
| 19:10.12 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: it's a very hard to fix issue, which would require thorough code review, because of the stupid way wget is written |
| 19:10.18 | BBearr | What loader filename should I be looking for? |
| 19:10.18 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: i won't write it |
| 19:10.22 | mrwill | Coke: so it parses html with regexes, and generates rss? |
| 19:10.26 | resiak | BBearr: Are you using LILO or Grub? |
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| 19:10.32 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: there are ppl who could do that, though |
| 19:10.38 | tarzeau | Coke: true |
| 19:10.44 | jetscreamer | hey does anybody in here who is present and reading this know how to log out of gnome via command line? |
| 19:10.45 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: And yet you will bitch and moan that others are not doing it. |
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| 19:10.56 | mrwill | BBearr: the bootloader isn't a file that you should see... it's installed on a special sector on your hard disk that gets accessed at boot. |
| 19:11.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: cleanly or anyway? |
| 19:11.01 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: he did the same yesterday too |
| 19:11.34 | Coke | mrwill: no, the configuration file is XML and looks like an RSS 2.0 file with the exception that channels also support the <search> elements that contains path, recursiveness and file name reg exp search information. |
| 19:11.34 | abrotman | err any way |
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| 19:11.34 | BBearr | The boot floppy doesn't show either of those. /boot doesn't have them, either. |
| 19:11.36 | jetscreamer | abrotman, clean preferable, anyway ... well ctrl alt bckspace works, and so does kill |
| 19:11.36 | Coke | mrwill: from that information the program tries to find out if there are any new files matching the channel search element descriptions. |
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| 19:11.43 | Coke | mrwill: out comes an RSS 2.0 news feed. |
| 19:11.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i was going to suggest /etc/init.d/gdm restart or killall gnome-session |
| 19:12.03 | Coke | mrwill: it has support for lastBuildDate from the configuration file or an already existing RSS file that you wish to update. |
| 19:12.04 | jetscreamer | BBearr, what exactly is it that you want, to be able to boot your newly installed kernel? |
| 19:12.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:12.22 | Coke | mrwill: in the future it will also support description elements for each file found. |
| 19:12.31 | BBearr | I'm wanting to boot directly from the hard drive, instead of using the floppy. |
| 19:12.32 | at0m|c | mrwill: for some reason, package manager thinks i have 2.4.8-1 installed, yet the apt-get of -dev package doesnt work cos it says it have 2.4.7-1 and needs at least 2.4.8-1 |
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| 19:12.50 | at0m|c | so there's some discripancy there... |
| 19:12.57 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: i can't possibly do that, even if i wanted. it's simply above my skill level |
| 19:13.02 | jetscreamer | abrotman, sometimes, when like i say use icewm and then start gnome, or using kdm/gnome, it wont log out. looking for a clean way. i'm good at messy... |
| 19:13.05 | mrwill | at0m|c: yes. are you sure you have 2.4.8-1 installed? |
| 19:13.14 | Buuyo^ | one of your debian mirrors has porn on it. :) |
| 19:13.20 | Buuyo^ | and pirated software heh |
| 19:13.22 | Buuyo^ | <333 |
| 19:13.22 | abrotman | jetscreamer: heh |
| 19:13.24 | scarynetworkguy | rdancer: So get to work improving yourself. |
| 19:13.27 | jetscreamer | BBearr, just run lilo... edit /etc/lilo.conf first, check it over |
| 19:13.29 | abrotman | Buuyo^: not anymore |
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| 19:13.31 | mrwill | at0m|c: I would blindly grope around, try to remove the old version of the package and make sure I installed the new one. |
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| 19:13.45 | mwilson | rdancer: I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you actually have a way to make this happen? |
| 19:13.46 | rdancer | scarynetworkguy: and i think i have every right to demand ppl being consistent with their claims. debian claims to be secure. |
| 19:13.49 | jetscreamer | BBearr, or man grub |
| 19:13.55 | rdancer | mwilson: what? |
| 19:14.03 | mwilson | rdancer: I'm reading this bug report. |
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| 19:14.28 | BBearr | I'll have a look, thanks |
| 19:14.30 | Coke | tarzeau: the software is very new and I haven't advertised it anywhere so nobody knows it exists. but with few addons to it and a debian package I'm sure many would want to add RSS news feeds on their small Debian-based webservers. |
| 19:14.55 | mrwill | Coke: right, if you were releasing new files on a regular basis people could keep up to date with the rss feed. |
| 19:14.57 | liquidhex | My windows partitions are only mounted read-only right now, because I guess I didnt include write support in the kernel.. not that I would want to make it writeable all the time.. How safe is it to write to your windows partition |
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| 19:15.09 | mrwill | liquidhex: what format? ntfs? |
| 19:15.20 | Buuyo^ | even ntfs is safe with captive. :) |
| 19:15.23 | rdancer | mwilson: yes. there is a detailed whitepaper about that; you have to use wget to retrieve it (apache misconfig; i'm no expert, huh 8-): http://rdancer.example.com/wget-sucks-hard.pdf |
| 19:15.24 | nolf | couls someone explain to me as to how to change my mAC address |
| 19:15.25 | at0m|c | mrwill: not sure on how i check what version is installed, apart from in the Package Manager.. |
| 19:15.28 | jetscreamer | BBearr, usually, you want the boot loader installed in the mbr... (boot=/dev/hda, for instance, instead of /dev/hda1, which installs it in a partition) that's near the top of lilo.conf |
| 19:15.30 | nolf | MAC |
| 19:15.31 | liquidhex | mrwill yeah |
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| 19:16.08 | Coke | mrwill: yep. this will be very popular with warez sites, but I'm hoping that regular users will add RSS feeds to their small, private sites just for the heck of it. |
| 19:16.10 | mrwill | nolf: ifconfig can do it if your card supports it. |
| 19:16.22 | Coke | mrwill: http://petergebauer.info/dl/filerss-0.6.tar.bz2 |
| 19:16.22 | jetscreamer | BBearr, if you don't have a lilo.conf for somereason, there is a liloconfig command (not to be confused with the kde lilo-config) |
| 19:16.27 | nolf | hw addr chng optiopn@mrwill |
| 19:16.28 | nolf | u mean |
| 19:16.33 | Coke | mrwill: can you hack Python? |
| 19:16.33 | nolf | but m not gettin thru wid it |
| 19:16.35 | seberino_ | HEY! Why does does postfix have /etc/postfix/aliases in addition to /etc/aliases? Which should i use? No wonder I'm having problems using /etc/aliases?!?!? please explain |
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| 19:16.46 | mwilson | rdancer: It'd help if the name resolved. |
| 19:16.55 | liquidhex | mrwill Yes, NTFS |
| 19:16.57 | tarzeau | Coke: ok ok i'm reading the docs |
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| 19:17.02 | mrwill | Coke: no, best I'll do is get the gist of it from the sources. |
| 19:17.10 | BBearr | I don't have a /etc/lilo.conf, and I don't have a man grub... |
| 19:17.14 | mwilson | ** server can't find rdancer.example.com: NXDOMAIN |
| 19:17.20 | Coke | mrwill: I wrote an extensive manual page for both the program and the configuration file |
| 19:17.21 | rdancer | mwilson: you didn't fire up a wget to contact a potentially rogue server, did you? |
| 19:17.22 | mrwill | liquidhex: well, ntfs is not all that safe to write to, there is some kind of driver somewhere. |
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| 19:17.33 | liquidhex | I didn't think so.. |
| 19:17.37 | liquidhex | I better just burn a CD |
| 19:17.39 | jetscreamer | liquidhex, it's not safe to write to ntfs... man ntfs-fix if you do. |
| 19:17.40 | mwilson | rdancer: No, oh clueless one, I looked up the name, as I said. |
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| 19:17.43 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-read |
| 19:17.44 | Buuyo^ | liquidhex: If you have Windows already, you can grab ntfs.sys and use captive. :) |
| 19:17.45 | nolf | n besides can v rite on NTFS |
| 19:17.46 | at0m|c | how do i check an installed lib's version? |
| 19:17.52 | jetscreamer | !read-ntfs |
| 19:17.52 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 19:17.52 | Coke | tarzeau: hehe. I don't mean to be pushy. it's pretty crappy, I know, but I just thought someone might find it useful and it'll be easier to find if it's part of a distribution. |
| 19:17.55 | nolf | thru linux |
| 19:17.58 | nolf | of course |
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| 19:18.27 | mwilson | rdancer: Do you want someone to read your screed, or do you want to play games? |
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| 19:18.27 | tarzeau | Coke: i mean if you'd write some GNUstep GUI wrapper around it.... |
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| 19:18.27 | mrwill | nolf: yes, hw addr is the option. you might have to bring your interface down before you do that. |
| 19:18.31 | jetscreamer | man fmask and dmask to enable writing to ntfs(not recommended, make a fat32 partition as a dmz) |
| 19:18.36 | Coke | tarzeau: hehe. 1) it's to small, there's no need for a GUI and 2) I loath GUI's. |
| 19:18.47 | mrwill | Coke: ok, I've downloaded it, and I'll look at it. thanks. |
| 19:18.50 | liquidhex | I'm not going to bother with it period |
| 19:18.56 | liquidhex | Thanks anyways |
| 19:18.58 | zd | :/ |
| 19:18.59 | Coke | tarzeau: unless you have some suggestion on what the GUI would do, exactly. |
| 19:19.02 | rdancer | mwilson: i think if you cared to think a bit, i just answered your question of exploitability with a big flashing YES |
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| 19:19.08 | zd | I'm still not making sense of what I'm googling |
| 19:19.23 | nolf | mrwill : how can i chck if my interface suppports MAC address change or not |
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| 19:19.39 | mrwill | zd: I think you ought to try reading the docs on your system, /usr/share/doc/make-kpkg or the manpage. |
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| 19:19.51 | rdancer | mwilson: all it gets is a rogue www page |
| 19:19.55 | mwilson | rdancer: Oh? Let's see... I can't contact the site you give, never mind the complete URL, so how is this exploitable again? |
| 19:19.56 | rdancer | s/gets/takes/ |
| 19:19.56 | jetscreamer | vfat partition as a kind of dmz best way to go imo |
| 19:19.59 | mrwill | nolf: my way of checking would be just to try it -- most modern network cards can do this. |
| 19:20.13 | nolf | thnx sir |
| 19:20.17 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets |
| 19:20.17 | BBearr | How do I get lilo onto my hard drive? |
| 19:20.28 | mrwill | BBearr: you run 'lilo' |
| 19:20.32 | jetscreamer | BBearr, apt-get install lilo |
| 19:20.40 | mrwill | BBearr: but first you make a lilo.conf file. |
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| 19:20.53 | BBearr | Just an empty file? |
| 19:20.58 | mrwill | BBearr: and even before all that, you have to apt-get install it the way jetscreamer says |
| 19:21.00 | mwilson | rdancer: Or do you think I'm not intelligent enough to actually look up something like "rdancer.example.com" first? |
| 19:21.06 | mrwill | BBearr: no, read 'man lilo.conf' |
| 19:21.12 | jetscreamer | BBearr, try /lastlog BBearr |
| 19:21.13 | at0m|c | mrwill: oki i'm sure i have 2.4.8-1 installed, yet programs that require that dont see it |
| 19:21.14 | at0m|c | hm |
| 19:21.21 | jetscreamer | i told you how |
| 19:21.40 | BBearr | Okay... |
| 19:21.54 | rdancer | mwilson: you think you can tell the rogueness of a given site by the DNS records? |
| 19:21.59 | mrwill | at0m|c: that is really odd. you say you have a dependency that is met that apt-get thinks is not met? |
| 19:22.11 | at0m|c | yes |
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| 19:22.35 | mrwill | at0m|c: are your apt sources up to date? |
| 19:22.41 | mwilson | rdancer: I don't think I can tell whether a site is rogue or not without looking at it. That investigation starts by looking it up, then looking at it with tools other than the one supposedly in question. |
| 19:22.46 | Coke | GARGH! Crappy Savannah that has no manual "lost password". |
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| 19:22.57 | rdancer | mwilson: whatever, it *is* exploitable, there is a PoC that more or less works, it has been posted to bugtraq, the wget maint has acknowledged it, iirc. |
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| 19:23.13 | liquidhex | What else is good to listen to .pls audio streams? Rhythmbox keeps jamming |
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| 19:23.37 | mwilson | Gods, people just want to play games. |
| 19:23.38 | mrwill | liquidhex: think xmms can do that well. |
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| 19:23.45 | liquidhex | thanks |
| 19:23.58 | rdancer | mwilson: if you don't use one of those 75 packages using wget internally, you prolly are safe, but then again, i somehow don't find this much of a good situ to be in |
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| 19:24.32 | rdancer | mwilson: if you don't use wget, you're ok. is that what you're trying to imply? |
| 19:24.33 | mwilson | rdancer: If you've been like this with the Debian maintainer, I imagine he's ignoring you. |
| 19:24.40 | jetscreamer | xmms, vlc, others... think mplayer does |
| 19:24.47 | at0m|c | mrwill: i'm trying to ./configure gaim from source, and it needs the libglib2.0-dev. libglib2.0-dev is out on 2.7.4-1, and libglib2.0 i have is 2.4.8-1 |
| 19:24.49 | rdancer | mwilson: actually, DD is ok. |
| 19:24.57 | at0m|c | so i'd like to force install the -dev or so |
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| 19:25.06 | Herodes | hi...Yesterday i compiled 2.6.10 kernel without module-init |
| 19:25.06 | Herodes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:25.12 | mrwill | at0m|c: did you try force installing it? |
| 19:25.25 | mrwill | Herodes: you mean, without module support? |
| 19:25.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get install module-init-tools ? |
| 19:25.40 | at0m|c | mrwill: tryin |
| 19:25.53 | rdancer | mwilson: why? |
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| 19:25.55 | mrwill | at0m|c: you could also try the 'fix-broken' option of apt-get. |
| 19:26.05 | jetscreamer | Herodes, i dunno, but i 'think' it's only for actually loading modules... dunno. |
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| 19:26.20 | mrwill | at0m|c: gaim is packaged with debian, I think. Why are you building it from source? |
| 19:26.21 | jetscreamer | so maybe your kernel is good. try, can't hurt |
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| 19:26.29 | revenger_ | the admin of ftp2.de.debian.org is an idiot :P |
| 19:26.33 | jetscreamer | why not??? |
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| 19:26.36 | at0m|c | mrwill: the install returns "libglib2.0-dev: Depends: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.4.7-1) but 2.4.8-1 is to be installed" |
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| 19:26.49 | Herodes | yes...it is what i have just done now,,after compilong kernbel. I realize cause...sound did not go |
| 19:26.50 | mwilson | rdancer: I wouldn't expect you to play games with someone who was actually interested in the issue. Obviously you feel differently. |
| 19:26.50 | at0m|c | but it IS 2.4.8-1 that i have installed |
| 19:26.51 | mrwill | at0m|c: ok, that message means exactly what it says. |
| 19:27.09 | mwilson | rdancer: That's fine, for you... I'll do my own research. |
| 19:27.12 | mrwill | at0m|c: you need the older version of the library, otherwise the -dev headers files and such won't work anyway. |
| 19:27.14 | rdancer | mwilson: sorry |
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| 19:27.37 | at0m|c | mrwill: i dpkg -remove then install the 2.4.7-1? |
| 19:27.46 | rdancer | mwilson: i thought you were trying to tell me it's a no-issue. i'm pre-emptively pissed of today. |
| 19:27.51 | mrwill | at0m|c: I'd apt-get remove, but yes, that is what to do. |
| 19:27.58 | at0m|c | okido |
| 19:28.02 | rdancer | *non-issue |
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| 19:29.01 | rdancer | mwilson: why would you think it's not exploitable? |
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| 19:29.13 | rdancer | mwilson: i think the PoC can't be clearer |
| 19:29.13 | at0m|c | mrwill: next the apt-get show me a list of 37 apps it wants to remove along |
| 19:29.14 | at0m|c | hm |
| 19:29.38 | jetscreamer | at0m|c, that's what happens a lot with sid. i take it this is sid. |
| 19:29.40 | mrwill | at0m|c: recommend attempting to install old version without removing new version first. |
| 19:29.50 | mwilson | rdancer: Would you PLEASE get off whatever high horse you're on? I didn't say ANYTHING about whether it was exploitable or not, in fact I specifically disclaimed that. I asked for more information. |
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| 19:30.26 | rdancer | mwilson: 19:13 < mwilson> rdancer: I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you actually have a way to make this happen? |
| 19:30.32 | at0m|c | jetscreamer: sid? i have SID plugin for XMMS ye, doesnt have anything to do w it eh |
| 19:30.35 | mwilson | rdancer: If it were actually as important to you as you make out, you would have more information. |
| 19:30.41 | mrwill | at0m|c: apt-get should figure out that both meet the dependency and so it shouldn't remove lots of other packages. |
| 19:30.50 | mwilson | rdancer: So, as I said, I'll do my own research. |
| 19:31.04 | at0m|c | mrwill: cheers |
| 19:31.15 | jetscreamer | it's the maintainer and the dep list, not apt-get |
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| 19:31.37 | mrwill | at0m|c: did that work? |
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| 19:32.14 | kingsley_ | Has anyone else noticed disk thrashing and kswapd hogging the CPU on 2.4.27? |
| 19:32.38 | at0m|c | mrwill: i'm trying apt-get to be specific on the version |
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| 19:32.52 | mrwill | at0m|c: yep, there are options that do that. |
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| 19:34.01 | Megan| | i sent some mp3s over from my winxp machine and all i hear on this linux box is some wierd static |
| 19:34.03 | Nexus | If I want some scripts to start at boot, where would I put them? |
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| 19:34.37 | rdancer | mwilson: you just put the PoC on the server, and it works (well, it worked for me) |
| 19:35.11 | mrwill | Nexus: /etc/rc2.d, most likely |
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| 19:35.24 | rdancer | mwilson: it's up to your advertizing skills to get people actually use wget to retrieve the URL |
| 19:35.43 | mrwill | Nexus: but generally, those are symlinks to scripts in /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:36.08 | Nexus | mrwill, That would work if they were normal scripts, but these are just oneliners that need to be run. In redhat there is an rc.local that let's you add a line to be run at boot. Just curious if debian has an equivilant... |
| 19:36.17 | TGM | where can i look up the maintainer of a given package? |
| 19:36.36 | mrwill | Nexus: think it does, can't remember, it is certainly in /etc though. |
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| 19:37.36 | zd | I'm reading this and it still doesn't make sense to me |
| 19:37.37 | zd | :( |
| 19:37.43 | mrwill | zd: what are you reading? |
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| 19:37.50 | zd | make-kpkg |
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| 19:38.11 | tazle | argh |
| 19:38.14 | zOap | im having trouble with gaim, when i try to login with my msn account i get error: protocol not supported.. anyone know why? |
| 19:38.20 | zd | all I want is to compile this third-party, not distributed by debian, kernel module against whatever kernel headers and stuff that I installed |
| 19:38.26 | tazle | this nfs installation doesn't seem to be documented all that well |
| 19:38.30 | Linoleum | hello, it is better to have a /boot partition in ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 19:38.38 | mrwill | Linoleum: doesn't matter all that much. |
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| 19:38.42 | zd | this is my first time using debian, but I've been on redhat and mandrake for years |
| 19:38.49 | zOap | Linoleum: no matte |
| 19:38.50 | zOap | r |
| 19:39.07 | mrwill | zd: well, this shouldn't be so hard for you then. |
| 19:39.14 | zd | it shouldn't |
| 19:39.23 | cahoot | Linoleum: no big point in having a journalized fs for /boot though |
| 19:39.26 | mrwill | zd: why don't you ask a real question instead of whining about how goddamn stupid you are. |
| 19:39.34 | Megan| | rofl |
| 19:39.42 | zOap | mrwill: any experience with that gaim reports: protocol not supported. when i try to login with msn to gaim? |
| 19:39.45 | Linoleum | ha ok :) and if I use grub , should I use the option notail if I use reiserfs for /boot? |
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| 19:40.08 | Megan| | i got issues with gaim when i try to login to aim... msn is fine |
| 19:40.12 | mrwill | zOap: dunno about that, sorry. could be msn not liking third-party clients. |
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| 19:40.41 | zOap | Megan|: when you login with msn account? |
| 19:40.49 | Megan| | msn is fine |
| 19:40.49 | mrwill | zOap: might check what version of gaim you have -- they generally keep up with fixes if the IM networks change their protocols. |
| 19:40.53 | Megan| | i only had an issue with aim |
| 19:40.57 | peterretief | quick one - how do oi turn on direct rendering? |
| 19:41.00 | zOap | mrwill: ok |
| 19:41.03 | Megan| | i had to re-install debian so i dont know if it still messes up |
| 19:41.05 | zOap | meeb: ok |
| 19:41.09 | zOap | megan: |
| 19:41.14 | myren | anyone know a good graphical JACK router? |
| 19:41.15 | einsteinmg | asg: thx :), the drive is working with 2.6.9 :) |
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| 19:41.47 | einsteinmg | but 2.6.10 fails badly |
| 19:41.47 | myren | hrm, one of htese days i really need to get asyn and dmix working |
| 19:41.52 | zd | Okay fine. How do I compile a third-party, out-of-tree kernel module NOT provided by Debian nor available through apt, without jumping through hoops such as compiling an entire kernel? |
| 19:41.56 | einsteinmg | unreadable blocks all over the disc |
| 19:42.14 | rdancer | abrotman: it's in debian-security, Message-Id: <20050130160656.GF6240@kontryhel.haltyr.dyndns.org> i can't find it on the web archive |
| 19:42.29 | ChrysalisM | zd: untar a kernel source and compile it |
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| 19:42.34 | mrwill | zd: and the answer is, make-kpkg -- it doesn't force you to compile an entire kernel just to build a module package. |
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| 19:44.27 | zd | I've read the make-kpkg manpage |
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| 19:45.34 | ChrysalisM | zd: what module are you trying to compile |
| 19:45.38 | [sLiM] | hi, is there a repository with older files? |
| 19:45.46 | zd | spca50x |
| 19:45.46 | rox | guys, is there a free music player that would play microsoft shit asx streams? |
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| 19:46.06 | KhanFused | rox: Xine |
| 19:46.09 | ChrysalisM | zd: what kernel are you running |
| 19:46.18 | rox | KhanFused: thank you kindly |
| 19:46.21 | jetscreamer | archives.debian.org or so, rox |
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| 19:46.26 | hernan | Hi, I've a question: I deleted my debian-sys-maint user from mysql, and now a cron job is giving me erorrs with access denied for that user. So I added it again with a pasword, and went into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and change the pw in there too, but it's still giving me errors. |
| 19:46.27 | zd | Linux DebianBeigeG3 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 19:46.30 | unka | I'm using XDM and all of a sudden I am only able to log into X with root and no other user. Anyone know what would cause this? |
| 19:46.31 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 19:46.38 | jetscreamer | archives.debian.org or so, [sLiM] |
| 19:46.46 | rox | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 19:47.04 | jetscreamer | unka check the permissions on ~/.Xauthority and ~/.ICEauthority |
| 19:47.12 | asuffield | unka: pretty much anything. check the log and find out |
| 19:47.15 | jetscreamer | rox sorry that was meant for [sLiM] |
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| 19:47.32 | [sLiM] | how would i add it in synaptic? |
| 19:47.34 | zd | spca50x is not available in a debian package. what make-kpkg says to me is stuff that sounds like I need to apt-get external drives for it to work |
| 19:47.47 | zd | er external drivers/module packages |
| 19:47.53 | jetscreamer | i don't think you would |
| 19:48.02 | unka | jetscreamer: when I try to rad .Xauthority it says it's binary |
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| 19:48.11 | [sLiM] | i need 6111 nvidia driver not the ne |
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| 19:48.18 | jetscreamer | you could d/l older packages, [sLiM] and dpkg -i them |
| 19:48.19 | [sLiM] | *8the newest one |
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| 19:48.24 | jetscreamer | unka ls -lA |
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| 19:48.27 | zd | and then do something like fakeroot make-kpkg --added-driver=drivername module_image |
| 19:48.28 | hernan | So, anyone know what I could do to stop the cron job errors? |
| 19:48.33 | baronsamedi | anyone setup tv-out with an ati? I haven't a clue where to start (the howto's i've googled for aren't helping either). do I need to setup another display in x? |
| 19:48.35 | ChrysalisM | zd: get a 2.6.8 kernel source and put it in /usr/src and make a link /usr/include/linux -> /usr/src/linux/include/linux and it should compile |
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| 19:48.46 | sno_opy | hi |
| 19:48.47 | peterretief | were do i change "direct rendering: No" to yes? |
| 19:48.51 | unka | -rw------- 1 root root 49 Jan 30 09:17 /root/.Xauthority |
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| 19:49.04 | jetscreamer | ChrysalisM, you don't do the linux symlink anymore according to torvald |
| 19:49.15 | unka | jetscreamer: I do not even have an ICEauthority file |
| 19:49.17 | jetscreamer | unka, in the user's ~ |
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| 19:49.21 | baikonur | hi |
| 19:49.27 | unka | jetscreamer: the user doesn't have one |
| 19:49.31 | hernan | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 19:49.34 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.38 | peterretief | hello |
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| 19:49.42 | zd | ChrysalisM: what the driver package says is to untar it and run make, and it compiles outside the tree |
| 19:49.49 | tskyrm | baron: check this http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin |
| 19:49.51 | BBearr | I'm back. Lilo is already installed, according to apt-get install, but there is no lili.conf file to be found. |
| 19:49.55 | jetscreamer | unka then it 'should' get created when you start xwindows i think |
| 19:50.05 | zd | which, yes, it does, if there is a /lib/modules/2.6.8-whatever/build directory |
| 19:50.09 | jetscreamer | BBearr, i told you how to generate one |
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| 19:50.14 | peterretief | what config file has "direct rendering: No" |
| 19:50.17 | jetscreamer | BBearr, run liloconfig |
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| 19:50.36 | mrwill | peterretief: it's not that simple, and the way you asking makes me think you are totally clueless. |
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| 19:50.40 | rdancer | hernan: (1) ventrilo: read upon port forwarding, in some decent NAT HOWTO. (2) look in the cron file that's causing that, and figure out the actual command, and whether the error doesn't actually mean you should panic |
| 19:50.48 | unka | jetscreamer: there isn't anything in the users .ICEauthority file |
| 19:50.54 | ChrysalisM | zd: build is just a symlink to your kernel src tree |
| 19:50.58 | jetscreamer | peterretief, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, hand editing /etx/X11/XF86Config-4 is not suggested |
| 19:51.04 | jetscreamer | unka, permissions, not in |
| 19:51.04 | BBearr | Okay, I'll give it a try. |
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| 19:51.30 | hernan | rdancer: I dont really care about what it does, i care that it's gonna fill my inbox with error message. |
| 19:51.38 | ChrysalisM | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.44 | unka | jetscreamer: -rw------- 1 |
| 19:51.55 | jetscreamer | 1? |
| 19:52.03 | peterretief | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 19:52.03 | unka | jetscreamer: I haven't changed anything |
| 19:52.10 | unka | -rw------- 1 unknown unknown 0 Jan 18 2004 /home/unknown/.ICEauthority |
| 19:52.31 | Megan^ | i sent some mp3s over from my winxp machine and all i hear on this linux box is some wierd static... |
| 19:52.34 | jetscreamer | the unknown user eh |
| 19:52.41 | unka | jetscreamer: yeah |
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| 19:52.59 | jetscreamer | is that the username or an error |
| 19:53.03 | unka | jetscreamer: username |
| 19:53.10 | hernan | rdancer: it does it when it executes: test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
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| 19:53.22 | ChrysalisM | zd: it should build no problem.... works for me |
| 19:53.29 | unka | jetscreamer: it's worked for years then a day ago I was unable to log in throgh XDM |
| 19:53.35 | unka | jetscreamer: now I have to use root |
| 19:53.36 | zd | hm |
| 19:53.39 | unka | which sucks |
| 19:53.39 | zd | thank you |
| 19:53.40 | jetscreamer | ah ok well that's ok then (check .Xauth) but that's what it was when it happened to me |
| 19:53.54 | zd | apparently I did something else that got it working as well |
| 19:54.07 | unka | -rw------- 1 unknown unknown 0 Jan 30 09:27 /home/unknown/.Xauthority |
| 19:54.10 | ChrysalisM | zd: ppc maybe not but all you need is a kernel source and type make |
| 19:54.11 | kekostar | SCSI parity error detected.. |
| 19:54.13 | unka | jetscreamer: what am I looking for? |
| 19:54.16 | kekostar | what this mean |
| 19:54.21 | zd | your kernel build/management is weird |
| 19:54.21 | jetscreamer | the rw |
| 19:54.36 | jetscreamer | and the owner/group |
| 19:54.39 | rdancer | hernan: haha. look in the anacrontab then ;-) |
| 19:54.39 | jetscreamer | which are fine |
| 19:54.54 | zd | I'm used to having a kernel-headers or kernel-source that actually has everything to build 3rd-party modules ready to go |
| 19:54.57 | toresbe | How do you make an ISO copy of a CD? |
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| 19:55.04 | rdancer | hernan: /etc/cron.daily, rather ;-) |
| 19:55.05 | BBearr | The liloconfig appears to assume that I'm installed on a partition, but I have Debian on it's own drive, hdb. Should I run liloconfig with the defaults, then edit the file? |
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| 19:55.17 | paulswm | unka: the permissions haven't changed on the /home/unknowm directory have they |
| 19:55.19 | hernan | rdancer: let me show you the file's content |
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| 19:55.28 | unka | another unrelated question, how do I fix these errors? Cannot convert Internet address 192.168.1.5 to host name |
| 19:55.31 | Megan^ | whats the matter? i go to play anything with a sound, all i hear is some kind of static or interferance |
| 19:55.32 | jetscreamer | BBearr, that's what i did, then edited before rebooting and rean lilo |
| 19:55.33 | rdancer | hernan: just grep for mysql |
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| 19:55.44 | ChrysalisM | zd: what part of getting a kernel source in /usr/src dont you understand |
| 19:55.48 | unka | paulswm: no |
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| 19:55.53 | cahoot | toresbe: dd |
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| 19:55.56 | BBearr | I'll give that a shot- thanks. |
| 19:55.56 | unka | paulswm: I tell you I changed nothing |
| 19:55.56 | peterretief | mrwill: thats why i asked :) |
| 19:55.57 | OldTSSAddict | I cant get Skype to work, It says problem with sound device. |
| 19:55.57 | jetscreamer | that's lack of a local dns server i believe unka |
| 19:56.11 | unka | I closed X manager and then reopened it and it wouldn't connect for any user |
| 19:56.13 | baikonur | I have an iptables script file which includes ssh portforwarding if it is not commented out. Now I want to comfortably switch on and off ssh portforwarding without editing the whole script. I would be glad to hear ideas how a adequate script could look like. |
| 19:56.34 | ChrysalisM | zd: alot of drivers need the headers in the source drivers not just the "kernel headers" |
| 19:56.57 | jetscreamer | i've only seen one so far |
| 19:56.58 | zd | this is true |
| 19:57.04 | jetscreamer | but i don't get out much |
| 19:57.07 | bjenkins | i apt-get installed kernel-source, but can't find it. not in /usr/src. where does it go? |
| 19:57.11 | Megan^ | whats a good linux firewall? like what do u guys reccomend |
| 19:57.18 | unka | ipchains or tables |
| 19:57.27 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.27 | Megan^ | was that to me unka? |
| 19:57.28 | zd | Megan^: I've been using shorewall as a frontend to iptables |
| 19:57.32 | unka | it depends on which kernel |
| 19:57.34 | unka | Megan^: yes |
| 19:57.41 | Megan^ | ok i'll look at em |
| 19:57.44 | rdancer | Megan^: there's only one firewall, the in-kernel packet filtering code |
| 19:57.45 | Megan^ | thanks |
| 19:57.46 | bjenkins | jetscreamer, there's nada in /usr/src |
| 19:57.50 | Megan^ | hmm |
| 19:57.56 | bjenkins | maybe the install failed? |
| 19:58.10 | jetscreamer | i use lokkit just to get one going, then get around to building a good one alter |
| 19:58.13 | jetscreamer | later |
| 19:58.29 | strubbel | how do you folks make your pppd reconnect to the isp when the isp cancels the connection? |
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| 19:58.44 | jetscreamer | bjenkins, does apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` function? |
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| 19:58.56 | strubbel | strubbel: i have an idea but it's probably not the best |
| 19:58.57 | jetscreamer | pon poff? |
| 19:59.04 | paulswm | bjenkins: the source should be a bz2 file in the directory you were in when you did the apt-get install |
| 19:59.04 | unka | jetscreamer: any other clues? or places I can look for ref? |
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| 19:59.08 | jetscreamer | ~win strubbel |
| 19:59.10 | apt | Congratulations, strubbel! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 19:59.16 | bjenkins | didnt try that |
| 19:59.18 | strubbel | s/strubbel:// |
| 19:59.19 | zd | thank you ChrysalisM |
| 19:59.26 | Megan^ | i cant hear any sound... whats the matter lol |
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| 19:59.37 | bjenkins | i used ...install kernel-source* |
| 19:59.44 | rdancer | strubbel: persist; maxfail 0 |
| 19:59.44 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 19:59.44 | jetscreamer | unka, all i know is the one time it happened to me (and i also did nothing to make it happen) that's what it was :( |
| 19:59.44 | dpkg | well, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 19:59.59 | jetscreamer | bjb, that's ` not ' |
| 20:00.03 | strubbel | jetscreamer: win? is it what i think it is?...are you kidding? |
| 20:00.04 | unka | jetscreamer: wow |
| 20:00.09 | jetscreamer | oops bjenkins ^^ |
| 20:00.18 | unka | jetscreamer: how'd you fix it? |
| 20:00.27 | strubbel | jetscreamer: oh sorry |
| 20:00.31 | jetscreamer | strubbel, you addressed yourself |
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| 20:00.48 | jetscreamer | [13.59.03] <strubbel> strubbel: i have an idea but it's probably not the best |
| 20:00.51 | strubbel | jetscreamer: yeah was talking to myself |
| 20:00.52 | rdancer | jetscreamer: poff pon bah! |
| 20:01.03 | jetscreamer | rah rah |
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| 20:01.25 | rdancer | hu |
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| 20:01.36 | strubbel | this frequently happens to me |
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| 20:01.45 | jetscreamer | i still see this playboy cheerleader title thing everytime i see a rah... rah rah sis boom ahh |
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| 20:01.50 | unka | jetscreamer: I added new users and the new users were unable to log in as well |
| 20:01.55 | bjenkins | jetscreamer, it can't find the specific source |
| 20:02.01 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: use the demand option |
| 20:02.04 | dirthead | is it better to run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:02.06 | jetscreamer | and i read it over a score of years ago |
| 20:02.09 | bjenkins | i used the closest spec i could find |
| 20:02.18 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: persist wont redial the phone |
| 20:02.22 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: will try :) |
| 20:02.29 | bjenkins | 2.6.8 |
| 20:02.29 | jetscreamer | bjenkins, apt-cache search kernel-headers, pick one, apt-get install it |
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| 20:02.37 | jetscreamer | bjenkins, close isn't it |
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| 20:02.48 | jetscreamer | do uname -r |
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| 20:02.57 | bjenkins | 2.6.8-1-686 isn't available |
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| 20:03.01 | jetscreamer | no, i've just wanted to mention that lately |
| 20:03.24 | jetscreamer | bjenkins, ah look for the -4 or something |
| 20:03.33 | jetscreamer | -4-686 or so |
| 20:03.35 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 20:03.38 | bjenkins | i'm trying to build an nvidia driver, and it needs the sources |
| 20:03.38 | jetscreamer | sarge? |
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| 20:03.46 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 20:03.52 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: in fact use nopersist and demand |
| 20:03.54 | jetscreamer | see, that's different |
| 20:03.59 | bjenkins | testing |
| 20:04.05 | bjenkins | thats sarge i think |
| 20:04.10 | mwilson | bjenkins: Oh? Where did you get the idea that there were no 2.6.8 sources available? |
| 20:04.11 | bjenkins | kinda new to debian |
| 20:04.12 | johnnyST | hi whats new? |
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| 20:04.22 | bjenkins | there are 2.6.8 sources |
| 20:04.37 | bjenkins | trying to use apt-get |
| 20:04.42 | TheArtist | whats the command to show all files for an installed package? |
| 20:04.50 | jetscreamer | bjenkins, yes there are.. but you need the headers, or buld yourself a kernel from the source |
| 20:04.51 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: but demand only brings up a connection if data is present...shouldn't persist with a holdoff reconnect automaticly after the link goes down? |
| 20:04.52 | rdancer | !kernel |
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| 20:05.10 | jetscreamer | TheArtist, apt-file, apt-get it first |
| 20:05.10 | jetscreamer | then apt-file update |
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| 20:05.27 | ricky_clarkson | johnnyST: A C++ keyword. |
| 20:05.33 | jetscreamer | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:05.40 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: ...but unfortunately this doesn't work |
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| 20:05.48 | jetscreamer | or your kernel may not be updated |
| 20:05.57 | johnnyST | ricky_clarkson, cool. |
| 20:05.59 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: unfortunately what doesnt work |
| 20:05.59 | TheArtist | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 20:06.01 | jetscreamer | have you apt-get dist-upgrade (ed) lately? |
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| 20:06.10 | bjenkins | you asking me |
| 20:06.11 | bjenkins | ? |
| 20:06.23 | peterretief | Hi, how do i establish if my kernel has dri support |
| 20:06.25 | bjenkins | i'm working with a weeks-old install |
| 20:06.32 | bjenkins | practically new |
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| 20:07.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 20:07.11 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: if you want a full time up link put a script that is spawned in inittab to always bring the link back up if it fails |
| 20:07.19 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: pppd with persist and holdoff 30 doesn't auto-reconnect if the link goes down by isp |
| 20:07.28 | bjenkins | getting rid of monitor flicker is tougher than i would have expected |
| 20:07.35 | peterretief | quick one - how do oi turn on direct rendering? |
| 20:07.36 | jetscreamer | bjenkins, if it was me i'd apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade first |
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| 20:08.00 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: i thought of pon in an ip-down script |
| 20:08.01 | peterretief | cancel - night |
| 20:08.03 | bjenkins | whaat's the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:08.41 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: what is persist good for then? |
| 20:08.57 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: null modems |
| 20:09.09 | bjenkins | thanks, guys. I'm gonna go read up i guess... |
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| 20:09.16 | TheArtist | jetscreamer, this error when running apt-file update about security.debian.org saying not found is ok right? |
| 20:09.29 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: oh, the documentation is somewhat missleading |
| 20:09.30 | paulswm | TheArtist: yes that's OK |
| 20:09.45 | bjb | jetscreamer: you called? |
| 20:09.45 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: jk, i dunno if the modem drops the carrier signal you need demand to redial it persist doesnt do that |
| 20:09.48 | jetscreamer | TheArtist, not sure... should be fine. |
| 20:10.04 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: what do you think about diald for this purpose? |
| 20:10.05 | paulswm | jetscreamer: it happens with me on sarge, but apt-file works fine |
| 20:10.08 | jetscreamer | bjb, sorry i lamed out on the tab key |
| 20:10.10 | OleMoudi | why there are 15 cd for sarge and 7 for stable? |
| 20:10.18 | bjb | jetscreamer, ok |
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| 20:10.25 | Phated | Ah, the d.o domains are down for the weekend, eh. |
| 20:10.28 | jetscreamer | more packages, OleMoudi |
| 20:10.36 | jetscreamer | OleMoudi, you usually only need one though |
| 20:10.44 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: just use demand or put it in inittab |
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| 20:10.55 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: is any of this options necessary for pppoe? |
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| 20:11.08 | OleMoudi | well in case of sarge it seems I need two, or i dont get gnome working |
| 20:11.13 | nostromo^ | where can i see what "rc" means when i dpkg -l? or "ii"? |
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| 20:11.49 | Harti | hi |
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| 20:12.07 | Gathond | nostromo^: man dpkg I think, it is removed configuration remainint |
| 20:12.18 | strubbel | s/for/with/ |
| 20:12.26 | nostromo^ | gathond: it's not there.. |
| 20:12.28 | Megan^ | um can somone help me figure out, when i play an mp3 file, all i can hear is static... |
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| 20:12.58 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: try it and see demand will rerun the "connect" script whatever that entails |
| 20:13.04 | jetscreamer | ah pppoe i had fun with pppoe last week |
| 20:13.05 | Megan^ | do i need to install some sound thing? |
| 20:13.17 | nostromo^ | gathond: thanks for the info, i still don't see why such a simple thing as output format isn't present in the man.. |
| 20:13.19 | mrwill | Megan^: maybe, what player you using? |
| 20:13.27 | Megan^ | lets see |
| 20:13.31 | sigma957 | megan: do you hear any other sounds? and have you adjusted your pcm volume? I've found that can cause static |
| 20:13.40 | jetscreamer | i had it configured for static and couldn't get it to do ppoe properly... never did fix it i reinstalled :/ |
| 20:13.46 | Gathond | nostromo^: no idea, you could file a wishlist bugreport |
| 20:13.52 | Megan^ | use my full name "Megan^" because it doesnt show in red if you dont |
| 20:14.07 | nostromo^ | gathond, k, thanks! |
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| 20:14.13 | Assid | heya |
| 20:14.13 | Megan^ | pcm volume... doesnt sound framiliar |
| 20:14.27 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: afaik i got no connect script...will search for it |
| 20:14.33 | Assid | umm.. what package does badblock come in? |
| 20:14.34 | abrotman | static? |
| 20:14.36 | jetscreamer | kinda like pre and post |
| 20:14.39 | jetscreamer | pcm |
| 20:14.43 | abrotman | !tell assid about search |
| 20:14.47 | abrotman | !find badblock |
| 20:14.48 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: what is the command line when pppd runs |
| 20:14.49 | jetscreamer | static ips for me, static noise for her |
| 20:14.50 | Megan^ | im using rythembox 0.8.8 as a matter of fact mrwill |
| 20:14.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'badblock' (3 shown): (/sbin/badblocks) in base/e2fsprogs ;; (/usr/bin/mbadblocks) in otherosfs/mtools ;; (/usr/share/games/ketm/badblocks.bmp) in games/ketm-data. |
| 20:15.03 | Megan^ | but it happens in totem as well |
| 20:15.14 | mrwill | Megan^: have you tried any other players? |
| 20:15.15 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: my connect script is /bin/true :) |
| 20:15.15 | Assid | im hearing some weird noice like tick etc. from my machine every 10 mins |
| 20:15.21 | Megan^ | but it happens in totem as well |
| 20:15.26 | Megan^ | ... |
| 20:15.44 | jetscreamer | totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 20:15.47 | mrwill | Megan^: ok, I don't know about those players. |
| 20:15.52 | giwe | On console I don't see as much as hd access compared with when I start X. Is it possible to reduce this in a laptop? |
| 20:15.52 | giwe | test |
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| 20:15.53 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: momento |
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| 20:16.15 | digress | I have a question about the debian install . . . |
| 20:16.16 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 20:16.17 | dpkg | Yes, jetscreamer, you're still online. |
| 20:16.27 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: pppd call dsl-provider |
| 20:16.39 | digress | ubuntu installs fine on my 100GB disk, but debian wants to put lilo thwere, and says it can't cause it's past some-and-some amount of blocks? |
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| 20:17.00 | digress | and apparently my flppuy disk is broken cause it won't format any floppies |
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| 20:17.06 | jetscreamer | digress, that's usually just a warning for older machines |
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| 20:17.22 | jetscreamer | digress, older machines that don't use lba |
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| 20:17.33 | usuario | amd I at irc.freenode.net #debian? |
| 20:17.43 | digress | jetscreamer, ok, except there's no way for me to bypass it . . . it hjust keeps coming back to the 1: make system bootable or 2: make boot-up floppy |
| 20:17.48 | usuario | am* |
| 20:17.56 | jetscreamer | usuario, it's #debian, the freenode doesn't matter |
| 20:17.57 | mrwill | usuario: yes |
| 20:18.10 | Lin | Hi all.. ;-) |
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| 20:18.24 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: what options are in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider |
| 20:18.27 | giwe | Is there a way to see what processes are accessing the hd? |
| 20:18.33 | jetscreamer | digress, if you KNOW it's lba, shell out and nano /target/etc/lilo.conf and put the 'lba32' directive in |
| 20:18.33 | mrwill | giwe: lsof |
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| 20:18.38 | jetscreamer | then rerun lilo |
| 20:18.47 | Lin | How can I disable kernel messages output from screen? |
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| 20:19.02 | mrwill | Lin: change their log level is syslog.conf |
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| 20:19.09 | digress | jetscreamer, ah sorry I wasn't clear, it's the installed trying to puyt lilo on there, and then says that it can't be installed |
| 20:19.13 | usuario | I am trying to find the horizontal/vertical refreshrate for my tandy VGM-225, a 1992 model. What would be tolerable parameters for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for the refreshrates for this monitor? |
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| 20:19.28 | digress | so I don't think it even gets to the lilo program running, the installer just complains and then quits out |
| 20:19.30 | jetscreamer | lin is it a bunch of network garbage being printed but doensnt interfere with your typing cept you cant read? |
| 20:19.31 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: some important are: persist; holdoff 30; pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth0 -T 80 -m 1452"; connect /bin/true |
| 20:19.34 | Lin | mrwill: kern.* are sent to kern.log... |
| 20:19.37 | mrwill | usuario: did you try googling for this info? |
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| 20:19.40 | Lin | jetscreamer: yes ;-) |
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| 20:19.41 | netsurfer | is there an app I can use to backup fully my debian install to an image file on another drive via NFS ? |
| 20:19.43 | pepperpot | anyone here getting a lot of hanging in firefox with unstable? |
| 20:19.46 | jetscreamer | digress, i said /target/etc/lilo.conf |
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| 20:19.56 | mrwill | Lin: that is true, but to configure syslog, you want the configuration file, not the log file. |
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| 20:19.58 | giwe | mrwill, I wan't to see what causes acesses to my hard disk every 2 senconds or so when using X. Is lsof good for that? |
| 20:20.03 | usuario | mrwill yes, they list it unknown |
| 20:20.13 | usuario | mrwill a few sites with that monitor |
| 20:20.18 | jetscreamer | Lin, something about printk |
| 20:20.20 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: if you whant i can #flood it |
| 20:20.21 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 20:20.21 | dpkg | well, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 20:20.31 | strubbel | s/whant/want/ |
| 20:20.32 | AngelGabriel | evening people |
| 20:20.36 | Lin | jetscreamer: I really don't know |
| 20:20.41 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: nah thats alright |
| 20:20.42 | cast | anyone where use loop-aes? I'm somewhat confused. Can it use any cipher that you have compiled into your kernel? |
| 20:20.46 | jetscreamer | Lin, not sure... the brainiacs here know, i just know that is what you mess with to fix it |
| 20:20.52 | AngelGabriel | i'm tryin to install kernel headers, but it seems they are not avalible for my particular kernel |
| 20:20.53 | mrwill | giwe: no, it only shows what is accessing various devices at any given moment. you might catch the app in the output, you might not. |
| 20:21.04 | mrwill | AngelGabriel: are you sure? what kernel? |
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| 20:21.17 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: /etc/ppp/options got nothing in that takes it back |
| 20:21.21 | paulswm | giwe: it could be the sync daemon |
| 20:21.22 | Lin | last mrwill: |
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| 20:21.24 | AngelGabriel | My kernel is 2.4.25-1-386 |
| 20:21.24 | Lin | sorry |
| 20:21.26 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: actually yeah go to flood |
| 20:21.26 | pepperpot | anyone here use unstable and firefox? |
| 20:21.34 | giwe | mrwill, I'm trying to figure out how to avoid too much disk acess in my laptop any ideas? |
| 20:21.35 | digress | ok jetscreamer, I'll give it a try now, thanks |
| 20:21.41 | digress | how do I shell out though? |
| 20:21.43 | giwe | paulswm, lemme see. |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | pepperpot: just ask |
| 20:21.57 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: that kernel is out of date |
| 20:22.07 | jetscreamer | Lin, alt+F2 to shell out |
| 20:22.10 | Lin | mrwill: I didn't understood your latest sentence ;-) |
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| 20:22.13 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, I guess i'm going to have to install a new one then? |
| 20:22.22 | jetscreamer | pepperpot, only if i cna't help it |
| 20:22.24 | Lin | jetscreamer: they are screemed to all terminals |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: apt-cache search kernel-image .. get one that qualifies for your system |
| 20:22.28 | at0m|c | giwe: monitor swap space use and add memory if it's busy? |
| 20:22.31 | giwe | paulswm, is it a kernel daemon? on console I don't see as much as. |
| 20:22.35 | hernan | Hi, i have another question, anyone know how to fix the myslq error:1251 - Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client ? |
| 20:22.40 | pepperpot | abrotman: go to edit->preferences->download->plug-ins. Did your browser just hang? |
| 20:22.48 | mrwill | hernan: do what it says? |
| 20:22.55 | unka | jetscreamer: the man pages stopped working as well, go figure |
| 20:22.59 | jetscreamer | ooops i'm getting confused.. shell out of the installer with alt+f2 whoever you were |
| 20:23.02 | giwe | at0m|c, top says I'm using 0k of swap.... |
| 20:23.05 | abrotman | pepperpot: i'm not on sid |
| 20:23.09 | hernan | mrwill : but i just installed debian, and apt-get upgraded |
| 20:23.09 | at0m|c | hm |
| 20:23.10 | Xenguy | pepperpot: what version of FF are you using? |
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| 20:23.26 | jetscreamer | unka, what i do is just wait till the maintainer fixes the install script |
| 20:23.31 | abrotman | pepperpot: you were just supposed to ask in general as in "When i go to my plug-ins in firefox(unstable) .. it hangs" |
| 20:23.38 | pepperpot | Xenguy: the one in sid. I also tried it with the getfirefox.com version, as well as the nightly build. They all do this. |
| 20:23.45 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, Can i install the 2.6 series? 2.6.0 for the 686 |
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| 20:24.02 | pepperpot | abrotman: sorry |
| 20:24.05 | jetscreamer | hernan, it's 4.0 vs 4.1 or so... or 4.1 vs 4.11 |
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| 20:24.14 | abrotman | pepperpot: i can't even do that .. check the BTS |
| 20:24.14 | jetscreamer | how to fix it, dunno |
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| 20:24.23 | giwe | at0m|c, I recall that in the old kernels we could use hdparm because the disk was quiet for a while. maybe there are too many things in gnome, kde etc? |
| 20:24.23 | hernan | jetscreamer: so how can i install the newer one, if apt-get doesnt? |
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| 20:24.25 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: looks as if i exceeded the flooding limit |
| 20:24.26 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: you can .. if there is one there for yu |
| 20:24.28 | ploum | Hello |
| 20:24.29 | ploum | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_log_config.so into server: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_log_config.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:24.35 | ploum | How can I solve this ? |
| 20:24.37 | paulswm | giwe: yes, I just mean to point out something that will ping your drive, cron will do it too, for example |
| 20:24.38 | ploum | (in Sarge) |
| 20:24.48 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: i'll strip of the comments and empty lines |
| 20:24.49 | Megan^ | hey abrotman... i cant hear anything when i go to play music, well it sound static but like when i go to www.pwned.nl it like doesnt play sound at all |
| 20:24.56 | pepperpot | abrotman: firefox's bts, or debian? |
| 20:24.57 | strubbel | s/of/off/ |
| 20:25.03 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, I've just done the apt-get install kernel-image etc once apt has finished, how do I got about installing that kernel |
| 20:25.08 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: forget about it |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | pepperpot: bugs.debian.org/mozilla-firefox |
| 20:25.26 | giwe | paulswm, but cron doesn't look at the hd often. It has also to do with x because on console it is much less. |
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| 20:25.34 | pepperpot | abrotman: thx |
| 20:25.37 | abrotman | Megan^: do you have an MP3? |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: ermm .. it did ? |
| 20:25.55 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: you ought to try respawning pppd from inittab if the link goes down |
| 20:25.59 | hernan | Sorry, mysql-server is already the newest version. |
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| 20:26.19 | hernan | and the same for the client |
| 20:26.34 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, It's going to finish downloading in about 1 minute - do i need to change settings on my system, such as grub etc? |
| 20:26.37 | Megan^ | yes i have one |
| 20:26.46 | paulswm | giwe: you obviously are way ahead of me, sorry, though you might be newb |
| 20:26.50 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: it shold do it for you |
| 20:26.50 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: how is it done? |
| 20:26.55 | abrotman | Megan^: and if you try to play it? |
| 20:26.58 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, REALLY? |
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| 20:27.04 | AngelGabriel | Damn, debian is so cool! |
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| 20:27.22 | giwe | paulswm, not quite :) I use this stuff since 94 or so :) |
| 20:27.24 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: respawn:/sbin/pppd...? |
| 20:27.29 | AngelGabriel | The only reason I havn't updated my kernel is because - i live by the philosophy, if it's not broke don't fix it! |
| 20:27.30 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: make a script thats "exec pppd call dsl-provider" |
| 20:27.50 | paulswm | giwe: yeah I guessed from your responses :) |
| 20:27.57 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: yes or pon and then? |
| 20:28.02 | nostromo^ | when i isntall kernel-source in unstable, does it come with a .config file that matches the kernel-image of the same version? |
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| 20:28.05 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: good .. but oyu need headers .. and they won't be there for that kernel |
| 20:28.21 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: put an entry in /etc/inittab thats "pp:2345:respawn:/sbin/yourscript" |
| 20:28.23 | BBearr | Back again |
| 20:28.56 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: and change the /etc/ppp/peername/dsl-provider option to nopersist |
| 20:29.07 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, How do I get kernel headers for this kernel? |
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| 20:29.43 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: that way when the link goes down pppd exits and init respawns... try that |
| 20:29.44 | BBearr | Still not booting from the HD. Instead of a 'boot:' prompt, I get 'MBR' then 'L 01 01 01 forever. |
| 20:29.48 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
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| 20:29.54 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: ok...what's the pp for? |
| 20:30.03 | ChrysalisM | its just an indentifier |
| 20:30.43 | directhex | !li |
| 20:30.43 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 20:31.18 | BBearr | I already have LBA32 |
| 20:31.30 | pepperpot | Am I the only one who has this problem with firefox, that I cannot go to preferences->downloads-plugins, without firefox freezing? Does anyone else have this? Should I file a bug report? |
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| 20:31.41 | ChrysalisM | strubbel: after you got that setup do a "kill -HUP 1" to cause init to reread inittab |
| 20:31.52 | abrotman | pepperpot: nothing in the bts? |
| 20:31.57 | strubbel | ChrysalisM: thanks for your help :) ...maybe i'll do it this way |
| 20:32.02 | hernan | quick question :) how do i install an rpm in debian :/ |
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| 20:32.13 | ChrysalisM | your welcome |
| 20:32.18 | pepperpot | abrotman: nope |
| 20:32.31 | Xenguy | hernan: you don't want to, but if you do, use alien ;-) |
| 20:32.35 | drac | hernan: alien package.rpm && dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 20:32.37 | schizoschaf | hi @ll |
| 20:32.55 | mrwill | BBearr: Are you sure you want lilo? Grub is another bootloader that will probably work. |
| 20:33.03 | abrotman | pepperpot: you could try clearing your . file |
| 20:33.04 | Xenguy | hernan: better to compile and use 'checkinstall' to create a .deb you can then install IMO |
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| 20:33.24 | pepperpot | abrotman: what's my . file? |
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| 20:33.26 | hernan | too complicated :) i just apt-get installed alien |
| 20:33.28 | hernan | heh |
| 20:33.31 | schizoschaf | which filesystem is best choice for win2k and linux to share datapartitions? |
| 20:33.41 | Xenguy | hernan: if it works, cool =) |
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| 20:33.48 | pepperpot | abrotman: I cleared out .mozilla and .firefox, and created a new profile |
| 20:33.53 | jcurry | i can't get my cups server to print stuff a client sends....the error_log output: http://pastebin.com/235452...i can't figure it out! |
| 20:34.02 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, kernel-kbuild-2.6-1 is not in listing on my apt-cache but it seems it's required, how do I go about finding it? |
| 20:34.05 | Megan^ | well abrotman, when i play the mp3 it doesnt have any sound |
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| 20:34.07 | pepperpot | abrotman: I should point out, this only occurs if there is at least one plugin loaded |
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| 20:34.21 | Defenestrator | schizoschaf: I hate to say it, but probably FAT32. NTFS would be second, but writing to it would require the capture drivers |
| 20:34.26 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: i have no idea what that is |
| 20:34.33 | abrotman | Megan^: are you in the audio group? |
| 20:34.42 | directhex | schizoschaf, definitely fat32 (vfat) |
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| 20:35.04 | abrotman | pepperpot: i haven't seen that |
| 20:35.05 | BBearr | I just want to boot from the hard drive, instead of the floppy. |
| 20:35.15 | Defenestrator | schizoschaf: if you almost never need to write to it in Linux, NTFS would be OK, but FAT32/vfat is the only one both can write to well |
| 20:35.31 | schizoschaf | thx Defenestrator and directhex was just wondering wether there was some development in that point |
| 20:35.39 | mamalyjoon | hi |
| 20:35.50 | Megan^ | abrotman: whats audio group? im using gnome by the way |
| 20:35.55 | hernan | :sigh: alien ended with an error :/ |
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| 20:36.11 | Defenestrator | schizoschaf: look into the capture drivers, they can safely write NTFS. It's a bit clunky though, and not fast by any means |
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| 20:36.15 | hernan | i'll paste it in #flood |
| 20:36.21 | jcurry | hernan, you do want to compile it yourself, and use checkinstall |
| 20:36.37 | pepperpot | abrotman: i guess i'll file the bug report anyway. If it's not reproducible by others, then I'll know either way |
| 20:36.42 | schizoschaf | Defenestrator: I have to install it for non techies |
| 20:36.51 | BBearr | Shouldn't I get a 'boot:' prompt, instead of the 'MBR' I got? |
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| 20:37.04 | lucullus | hi. I have (what I fear to be) one of those meager ass questions nobody wants to hear. |
| 20:37.08 | drac | hernan: why do you want mysqlserver from .rpm?! |
| 20:37.08 | Defenestrator | schizoschaf: that's fine... it's no more complex than anything else once set up, it's just the setup that's a notch more complex than normal |
| 20:37.20 | Defenestrator | as far as the end-user is concerned, a file's a file |
| 20:37.30 | drac | hernan: that's stupid. debian has it's own packages of mysql. |
| 20:37.41 | jcurry | !tell lucullus about ask |
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| 20:37.44 | abrotman | Megan^: adduser username audio |
| 20:37.45 | intero | if i link two linux laptops with an eth cable they go at 10 MB/s, but if one of those has win it goes slower and the linux one says "half duplex" when i plug the cable in. is there a way to force eth0 to be full duplex? |
| 20:37.46 | AngelGabriel | Is the 2.6 kernel classed as testing/unstable/stable ? |
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| 20:37.56 | Megan^ | abrotman: what does that do? |
| 20:38.03 | Megan^ | and what will it do |
| 20:38.06 | directhex | intero, if the hardware supports it, probaly with mii-tool |
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| 20:38.20 | intero | directhex: will check, thanks! |
| 20:38.21 | Defenestrator | intero: check in windows in the driver properties. Some let you change it there. |
| 20:38.36 | intero | Defenestrator: thanks |
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| 20:38.43 | Xenguy | hernan: /me whispers, 'I told you so' ;-) |
| 20:39.04 | Megan^ | xenguy, try doing this: |
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| 20:39.26 | abrotman | Megan^: it will add you to the audio group so you have access to the sound devices |
| 20:39.30 | jcurry | i can't get my cups server to print stuff a client sends....the error_log output: http://pastebin.com/235452 ...i can't figure it out! |
| 20:39.31 | Megan^ | oooooo |
| 20:39.37 | hernan | let's talk here :P |
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| 20:39.58 | hernan | drac : how would i be able to do that? |
| 20:40.07 | hernan | drac : the easy way :) |
| 20:40.14 | Megan^ | abrotman it returned with "adduser: the group `audio' " |
| 20:40.20 | Megan^ | already exists |
| 20:40.41 | BBearr | Is "hdb1" the primary partition of drive? |
| 20:40.43 | Megan^ | abrotman lemme try this again...it returned with "adduser: the group `audio' already exists" |
| 20:40.44 | lucullus | I have a mouse problem...and I feel dumb asking about it. |
| 20:40.51 | drac | !tell hernan about backports |
| 20:40.55 | drac | !tell hernan about woody->sarge |
| 20:41.00 | drac | hernan: those are your options. |
| 20:41.04 | hernan | hah, ty |
| 20:41.07 | hernan | *reading* |
| 20:41.36 | nostromo^ | how do i know (or what sets) the format in which vim saves a textfile? how do i know if it's UTF-8, ANSI, ASCII, etc..? |
| 20:41.42 | jcurry | !tell lucullus about ask |
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| 20:41.50 | hernan | i'll upgrade to sarge, i like the idea of having new software :) |
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| 20:41.55 | jcurry | lucullus, just ask! |
| 20:42.07 | hernan | drac: do you know of an easy way to find/replace in vi? |
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| 20:42.17 | lucullus | ok |
| 20:42.27 | drac | hernan: you can use nano or joe :P |
| 20:42.36 | nostromo^ | hernan: :1,$s/old/new/g |
| 20:42.48 | hernan | thank you, nostromo^ |
| 20:42.49 | decklin | nostromo^: fileencoding |
| 20:43.05 | nostromo^ | decklin: thanks |
| 20:43.08 | abrotman | Megan^: then you're already in the group it seems |
| 20:43.09 | Megan^ | abrotman: when i put it in it says " the user `me' is already a member of `audio' " |
| 20:43.14 | Megan^ | abrotman: yea... |
| 20:43.23 | abrotman | Megan^: is your username "me" ? |
| 20:43.25 | decklin | see also :help encoding |
| 20:43.40 | nostromo^ | ahh thanks |
| 20:44.02 | abrotman | Megan^: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 20:44.03 | hernan | drac :apt-get updating :) |
| 20:44.18 | Xenguy | hernan: a minor alternative: you can use '%' instead of '1,$' |
| 20:44.34 | hernan | Xenguy: thanks, i'll keep that in mind |
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| 20:44.52 | Xenguy | hernan: yes, I find it easier to keep in mind too ;-) |
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| 20:45.33 | nvz | abrotman: if your name were Megan^ you'd probably still call yourself "me" heh |
| 20:45.33 | lucullus | my mosue goes awol on movement in X. I read up on it, tried a few different methods to solve it, but it still does the same thing |
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| 20:45.37 | nostromo^ | but also keep in mind the other format :) it allows for range definitions :) |
| 20:45.41 | weems | how do I configure my card, which is a Alliance Semiconductor Corporation ProVideo 6422, so that xserver will use it instead of VESA? |
| 20:45.41 | orfeu | whar represents the debina-binary ( text 2.0 ) from a deb package ? |
| 20:45.44 | orfeu | whar represents the debian-binary ( text 2.0 ) from a deb package ? |
| 20:46.01 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 20:46.12 | Megan^ | abrotman: its hanging so far... |
| 20:46.45 | alejandro_ | hola! i have a weird problem, every time I reboot, the file resolv.conf will modified and a first line will be added: "search pp.htv.fi" (my ISP' "something") and I can't get internet, althou I've delete that line, I don't get internet :( |
| 20:46.46 | abrotman | Megan^: no .. it's supposed to make noise |
| 20:46.58 | abrotman | Megan^: try running aumix .. make sure your volume levels are up |
| 20:47.02 | abrotman | and not muted |
| 20:47.05 | alejandro_ | will *be* modified |
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| 20:47.22 | abrotman | Megan^: and iknow this .. may sound ... really dumb .. but please make sure the speakers are plugged in |
| 20:47.44 | Megan^ | the speakers are onboard its a laptop abrot |
| 20:47.48 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 20:47.57 | ChrysalisM | alejandro_: are there nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx entries after the search line |
| 20:48.02 | hernan | drac: even after upgrading to sarge, mysql won't upgrade, it says it's at its newer version. |
| 20:48.07 | nvz | Megan^: imagine that. could it be its a popular girls name? :P |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | no way |
| 20:48.14 | Megan^ | lol nvz |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | no more lol |
| 20:48.24 | abrotman | they are banished |
| 20:48.25 | orfeu | what represents the debian-binary ( text 2.0 ) from a deb package ? |
| 20:48.29 | alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, yes, the next 2 lines are "nameserver xxx.xx.xx.xxx" |
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| 20:48.43 | nvz | I knew a girl named Megan who spelled her name Maygin just to be different |
| 20:48.48 | drac | hernan: that can't be possible. |
| 20:49.01 | Megan^ | abrotman: im not getting anything |
| 20:49.04 | hernan | how can i find out my mysql version? |
| 20:49.05 | Megan^ | and my vol is max |
| 20:49.06 | abrotman | i knew a guy who spelled his name nvz just because he hated vowels |
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| 20:49.15 | deadcat | hernan: dpkg -l mysql |
| 20:49.27 | abrotman | Megan^: wait .. do you have esd running? |
| 20:49.31 | ChrysalisM | alejandro_: can you ping your gateway listed in typing 'route -n' or is it missing ( the gateway) |
| 20:49.34 | Megan^ | whats esd abrotman |
| 20:49.41 | deadcat | sound daemon |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | Megan^: ps aux | grep esound |
| 20:49.44 | hernan | drac: 4.1.7-1 |
| 20:49.46 | abrotman | !esd |
| 20:49.46 | dpkg | it has been said that esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 20:49.53 | hernan | ty, deadcat |
| 20:49.54 | alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, just "route -n"? |
| 20:50.00 | abrotman | nvz: couch grafting to your ass? |
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| 20:50.19 | ChrysalisM | alejandro_: yeah to get the ip of your gateway |
| 20:50.20 | nvz | dat ambleelunce dint feel so good, abrotman |
| 20:50.21 | Phated | abrotman: It's restricting his speech. |
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| 20:50.33 | alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, wait a second :) |
| 20:50.35 | Megan^ | i dont see esd running abrotman |
| 20:50.46 | deadcat | Megan^: then install it and run it |
| 20:50.55 | Megan^ | deadcat lemme try |
| 20:50.58 | Megan^ | what does it do |
| 20:50.58 | abrotman | Megan^: i believ eit's called esound |
| 20:50.58 | philv | Anybody have experience with Iomega Ditto 2GB Floppy Tape drives? |
| 20:51.16 | abrotman | !esd |
| 20:51.16 | dpkg | from memory, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 20:51.22 | abrotman | see .. that's what it does |
| 20:51.28 | Seb | is there a utility to 'stitch' panoramic shots together ? |
| 20:51.35 | abrotman | gimp ? |
| 20:51.40 | Megan^ | i dont ge tit |
| 20:51.42 | Megan^ | *get it |
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| 20:51.58 | lucullus | might somebody be willing to help w/ a mouse prob? |
| 20:52.01 | nvz | heh, its ok to be a yinzer, Megan^ |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | Megan^: dmesg | grep -i audio |
| 20:52.08 | lucullus | I swear it isn't an xf86config problem |
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| 20:52.11 | abrotman | does it say anything? |
| 20:52.12 | nvz | at least where I am from |
| 20:52.13 | Megan^ | yinzer.. what the helll |
| 20:52.15 | Seb | abrotman: i can't quite find it in gimp |
| 20:52.16 | alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, will be back in 2 minutes |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | Seb: it was a suggestino |
| 20:52.29 | Seb | heh |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | Megan^: pittsburgh thing |
| 20:52.43 | nvz | Picksburgh |
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| 20:52.54 | abrotman | nvz: maybe you should change your nick to yinzer :) |
| 20:52.58 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:53.06 | hernan | drac: could you send me your samba line from your sources.list? |
| 20:53.10 | nvz | you think anyone would notice? |
| 20:53.14 | abrotman | i would :) |
| 20:53.51 | sussudio | !badgersmite nvz |
| 20:53.55 | Megan^ | when i put indmesg | grep -i audio it says ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7609 (SigmaTel STAC9721/23) |
| 20:54.12 | Megan^ | and i installed esound |
| 20:54.14 | abrotman | sigmatel ? |
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| 20:54.18 | abrotman | you installed esound? |
| 20:54.34 | nvz | whats esound got to do with dmesg |
| 20:54.44 | abrotman | Megan^: try that `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` again |
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| 20:54.53 | nvz | or the price of pirogi's Dahntahn for that matter |
| 20:54.54 | abrotman | nvz: nothing .. i was actually hoping Megan^ didn't have it running :) |
| 20:54.59 | Megan^ | abrotman with or without the ` |
| 20:55.04 | BeBrA` | hello! is packages.debian.org down? |
| 20:55.05 | deadcat | Megan^: make sure to turn the speaker all the way up |
| 20:55.09 | deadcat | BeBrA`: /topic |
| 20:55.26 | BeBrA` | oh, sorry ;) |
| 20:55.33 | abrotman | Megan^: without |
| 20:55.35 | Megan^ | they are deadcat lol... you dont think highly of me do you |
| 20:55.46 | deadcat | Megan^: (= |
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| 20:55.55 | nvz | Megan^: well you could stop using lol for starters.. that makes you look better already |
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| 20:56.52 | nvz | ..and dudets |
| 20:56.53 | abrotman | nvz: apparently when you tell people to stop using lol .. they respond with lol :) |
| 20:56.53 | hernan | drac: i'll just download mysql off their official website, but where should i extract all the files? |
| 20:56.58 | Megan^ | abrotman is it supposed to do something??? |
| 20:57.06 | abrotman | Megan^: make a crapload of noise |
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| 20:57.17 | Megan^ | abrotman... no dice |
| 20:57.18 | aFlag | !nvidia |
| 20:57.18 | dpkg | nvidia is probably To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 20:57.33 | nvz | who the hell is talking about nvidia |
| 20:58.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.06 | abrotman | Megan^: do you have the little volume thing in gnome? .. the mixer? |
| 20:58.17 | lucullus | not me. I'm the moron talking about the mouse ';p |
| 20:58.24 | aFlag | didn't know he answers pvt |
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| 20:58.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:58.54 | Alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, well, i got 2 lines: destination: 20.181.19.0, gateway: 0.0.0.0.0, genmask: 255.255.248.0, Flag: U Use: 0 and the second line would be: Destination: 0.0.0.0, Gateway: 82.181.16.1 genmask 0.0.0.0 Flag: UG Use: 0 |
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| 20:58.57 | vir182_ | hmm, how is the package called in which i can choose the modus (ncurses, etc) and priority of dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:58.59 | nvz | yes, yes he does. thats why the /topic says /msg the bots NOT the people |
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| 20:59.09 | dolt | I need to convert a bunch of videos from avi to mpg, and can do this with ffmpeg. The problem is that ffmpeg does not seem to allow wildcards. Is there some way to execute a command on every file in a directory? I know the 'find' command does this, but I also need to change the extension from .avi to .mpg on the output file and find does not seem to have a way to change it. |
| 20:59.17 | Lo_Meinix | Ok, I need some help setting up sound. i've been through the sound howto and the documentation on the alsa site but things just don't seem to work. The alsa drivers load for the card, no error messages but, I get /dev/dsp does not exist or cannot find device /dev/dsp. Can someone help? |
| 20:59.28 | deadcat | dolt: mencoder maybe |
| 20:59.28 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: make sure you can ping 82.181.16.1 |
| 20:59.30 | vir182_ | dolt: xargs |
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| 20:59.49 | nvz | dolt: ls *wildcard* | while read filename; do something "$filename"; done |
| 20:59.49 | ateoh211_ | is there an eclipse deb? having trouble locating one if there is. a url is appreciated |
| 20:59.51 | Alejandro_ | damn...have to reboot to try that |
| 21:00.00 | nvz | dolt: basic bash scripting |
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| 21:00.01 | Alejandro_ | will be back soon... |
| 21:00.14 | deadcat | !rename |
| 21:00.44 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: hold |
| 21:00.54 | vir182_ | which package do i have to reconfigure to set the qeustion-level of dpkg-reconfigure differently? |
| 21:01.01 | dolt | ok, thanks... will look into those suggestions. |
| 21:01.02 | Alejandro_ | :? |
| 21:01.23 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: make sure you can ping the gateway, then try to ping a numeric IP address outside that, then try to ping a DNS resolved name |
| 21:01.31 | deadcat | nvz: hotdog? hotcat? |
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| 21:01.41 | abrotman | !find eclipse |
| 21:01.42 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'eclipse' (9 shown): eclipse-javac ;; eclipse-jdt ;; eclipse-nls-sdk ;; eclipse-pde ;; eclipse-platform ;; eclipse-sdk ;; eclipse-source ;; eclipse-webdav-ftp ;; libeclipse-jni. |
| 21:01.46 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: and see where that ends |
| 21:01.53 | Alejandro_ | i tried the resolve one but it doesn't work |
| 21:01.57 | heya | hi, anyone knows one msn with webcam support for linux ? |
| 21:02.12 | Alejandro_ | will try to ping the gateways... |
| 21:02.23 | deadcat | heya: gaim might |
| 21:02.25 | cast | heya: dont even bother trying ;x |
| 21:02.37 | ateoh211_ | abrotman, any way to tell which distro? I'm in testing right now and apt-cache search eclipse shows nill |
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| 21:02.47 | abrotman | ateoh211_: it's in unstable |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | !info eclipse-platform |
| 21:03.05 | dpkg | eclipse-platform: (Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop any language), section contrib/devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 26120 kB, Installed size: 33425 kB |
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| 21:03.12 | ateoh211_ | abrotman: thanks, I really appreciate it |
| 21:03.13 | abrotman | ateoh211_: and it's old anyways |
| 21:03.17 | nvz | if you are gonna be cam chatting with kiddies, you are best off using winders.. especially if you insist on using MSN/AIM/Yahoo networks |
| 21:03.19 | ChrysalisM | Lo_Meinix: try installing alsa-oss package |
| 21:03.19 | heya | anyway ... i've one VCOM webcam USB how can i see the video from CAM ? |
| 21:03.43 | ateoh211_ | abrotman: probably should compile myself then |
| 21:03.51 | abrotman | ateoh211_: you don't compile it |
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| 21:04.02 | abrotman | ateoh211_: do you have java installed? |
| 21:04.05 | cockroach | is it normal that my notebook's cpu load jumps from 0% to 15% whenever i read acpi data (like the battery status)? |
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| 21:04.09 | ateoh211_ | abrotman: ahh, java....:) |
| 21:04.14 | ateoh211_ | abrotman: yes |
| 21:04.15 | abrotman | !tell ateoh211_ about java |
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| 21:04.28 | nostromo^ | Is there a way to create a kernel source dir that has a .config file that is identical to the kernel-image package? current unstable 2.6.10 packages do not use /proc/.config and the kernel-source package doesn't have a .config file.. |
| 21:04.30 | abrotman | ateoh211_: then you just download the tar.gz from eclipse.org .. uncomppress it .. and urning |
| 21:04.34 | abrotman | err and run it |
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| 21:04.51 | abrotman | nostromo^: /boot/config-blahblahblah |
| 21:04.58 | mwilson | Uh, why wouldn't you just use the .config from the kernel-image package? |
| 21:05.07 | nostromo^ | OOPS |
| 21:05.09 | nostromo^ | thanks guys. |
| 21:05.11 | nvz | abrotman: $(uname -r) |
| 21:05.16 | nvz | pfft |
| 21:05.19 | abrotman | nvz: i was guessing he wasn't running it |
| 21:05.20 | Lo_Meinix | nostromo^: The kernel-image places the config in the /boot dir |
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| 21:05.35 | deadcat | mwilson: got a screenshot of your latest patched ob3? |
| 21:05.36 | nvz | abrotman: oh well, blahblahblah is fine.. *rolls eyes* |
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| 21:06.04 | nvz | sounds like a yinzer to me |
| 21:06.06 | abrotman | nvz: well ... it works doesn't it ? :) |
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| 21:07.01 | lucullus | q |
| 21:07.07 | nvz | r |
| 21:07.10 | abrotman | s |
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| 21:07.49 | nvz | even MS Excel can do better than that |
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| 21:08.16 | lucullus | do what now? |
| 21:08.17 | BBearr | In a normal boot from hard drive, should the boot prompt be "boot:"? |
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| 21:08.20 | Megan^ | abrotman ive got a little speaker in the upper right hand corner... on the side of my allplications and actions and stuff bar |
| 21:08.33 | ricky_clarkson | allplications - I like it. |
| 21:08.34 | abrotman | Megan^: right click on that .. choose volume control |
| 21:08.37 | heya | hi, anyone knows one msn with webcam support for linux ? |
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| 21:08.40 | nvz | Megan^: gnome-volume-applet? |
| 21:08.44 | Megan^ | ahhh |
| 21:08.48 | Megan^ | there we go |
| 21:09.02 | Megan^ | nothings muted tho abrotman |
| 21:09.12 | abrotman | Megan^: are you sure .. and they are all up ? |
| 21:09.16 | Megan^ | yes |
| 21:09.26 | Megan^ | all middle or higher |
| 21:09.28 | Megan^ | none muted |
| 21:09.38 | abrotman | Megan^: if you use xmms to play your mp3 .. what happens ? |
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| 21:09.47 | Megan^ | how do i do that lol |
| 21:09.50 | uGexe | is there a way to make dpkg tell you where it installed something? |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | Megan^: xmms your.mp3 |
| 21:10.02 | uGexe | er installed a package |
| 21:10.05 | nvz | dpkg, lol? |
| 21:10.05 | dpkg | lol is, like, Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 21:10.10 | Megan^ | ... |
| 21:10.22 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: xmms --play your.mp3 |
| 21:10.26 | abrotman | Megan^: oh an xterm .. find your mp3 |
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| 21:10.28 | neurocratia | abrotman: I experience the same problem, and I think it could be alsa module that is missing. |
| 21:10.33 | Megan^ | ok i found it |
| 21:10.33 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it works just as well the way i did it |
| 21:10.40 | abrotman | neurocratia: alsaconf ? |
| 21:10.42 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Esplendoroso. |
| 21:10.49 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: que? |
| 21:11.08 | Sauron_the_mad | hello all! is there somewhere a guideline to a "boot from lan"-setup? (a step by step thing because im a linux-beginner) |
| 21:11.11 | abrotman | Megan^: you might want to try that to .. runing alsaconf |
| 21:11.15 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Splendid. |
| 21:11.40 | cockroach | Sauron_the_mad: i think there's a howto somewhere linked from the debian-installer website |
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| 21:11.48 | Sauron_the_mad | didnt find one |
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| 21:12.08 | Sauron_the_mad | but searching again, and again, and again... :) |
| 21:12.19 | TheArtist | uGexe, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file list pattern |
| 21:12.22 | Xenguy | cockroach: base URL or hint? |
| 21:12.38 | nvz | Sauron_the_mad: did you try reading the install guide? |
| 21:12.47 | Megan^ | i have to be honest abrotman... i dont know how to run alsaconf |
| 21:12.47 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: ww.tldp.org is an endless resource for documentation. depending on what you need look out for some of those keywords: nfs tftp dhcp bootp root diskless |
| 21:13.00 | cockroach | Xenguy: i think it's in the install manual at http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/, but I can't currently seem to open the url |
| 21:13.07 | nvz | Megan^: type alsaconf from a root prompt |
| 21:13.11 | abrotman | Megan^: at the prompt |
| 21:13.20 | Xenguy | cockroach: tx (server maintenance this weekend I'm told) |
| 21:13.23 | Megan^ | in the terminal? |
| 21:13.35 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: thnx, iīll try |
| 21:13.36 | cockroach | Xenguy: oh, indeed, i forgot about that |
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| 21:13.47 | abrotman | Megan^: yes |
| 21:13.49 | Megan^ | it says bash: alsaconf: command not found |
| 21:13.58 | nvz | Megan^: root! |
| 21:14.01 | nvz | got root? |
| 21:14.03 | nvz | :P |
| 21:14.04 | Megan^ | i am root!!! |
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| 21:14.13 | nvz | Megan^: so its a # prompt and not $? |
| 21:14.32 | nvz | maybe its not installed :) |
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| 21:14.44 | abrotman | Megan^: or alsa isn't installed |
| 21:14.46 | neurocratia | abotman: I did alsaconf and now my soundcard works, thanks :) If megan doesn't have alsaconf she has to install it first |
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| 21:15.07 | Megan^ | most likely your idea abrot |
| 21:15.15 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: nvz's tipp wasn'T bad,too. you'll learn a lot on how to run a machine diskless if you know how to install with net booting |
| 21:15.16 | abrotman | Megan^: apt-get install alsa alsaconf |
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| 21:15.44 | nikolas | how do i make a backup of a server ? |
| 21:15.47 | Brisa | hi. |
| 21:15.48 | Brisa | My console is too large for my screen. |
| 21:15.48 | Brisa | Someway it changed to more than 80 lines and i can get it back |
| 21:15.55 | Brisa | can't |
| 21:16.02 | Megan^ | ok abrot i got it now |
| 21:16.06 | Megan^ | i can run alsaconf |
| 21:16.23 | abrotman | ok .. now what? |
| 21:16.24 | nvz | Brisa: man stty |
| 21:16.40 | ledet | nikolas: copy all your data somewhere else |
| 21:16.46 | nvz | stty cols=80 |
| 21:16.47 | nvz | IIRC |
| 21:16.51 | nikolas | what command should i use for that ? |
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| 21:17.01 | Brisa | thanks |
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| 21:17.06 | ledet | nikolas: depends on what kind of backup you want to do |
| 21:17.11 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: install over lan... maybe i first try that... 1 step at a time |
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| 21:17.20 | lucullus | exit |
| 21:17.22 | lucullus | hah |
| 21:17.34 | ali | cool |
| 21:17.46 | nikolas | ledet: i want to put a new server... and i want to transefer the data from my server to the new one... |
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| 21:18.39 | ledet | nikolas: in that case, you could use just use tar and then scp it over and untar it |
| 21:18.53 | Megan^ | i configured it and its loaded the driver abrotman |
| 21:18.59 | abrotman | now what? |
| 21:19.04 | abrotman | Megan^: can you play any sound? |
| 21:19.17 | nikolas | ledet: how do i tar the entire system ? |
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| 21:19.29 | Megan^ | lemme try |
| 21:19.36 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: how do you want to boot? bootrom on ethernet card? |
| 21:19.45 | abrotman | nikolas: man tar ? |
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| 21:19.46 | ledet | nikolas: why tar the entire system? |
| 21:19.59 | Megan^ | abrotman: im afraid i still hear static |
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| 21:20.03 | jcurry | how do i make bind9 cache requests? |
| 21:20.30 | abrotman | Megan^: but you get sound? |
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| 21:20.33 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: the etherboot-doc packages should be interestin for you,too |
| 21:20.35 | Megan^ | correct abrotman |
| 21:20.52 | abrotman | Megan^: what kind of sound card? .. some of them .. have issues .. and have odd fixes |
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| 21:21.20 | Yildirim | hi, how can help me with my loadavarage? it is very high.. |
| 21:21.23 | Alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, no luck, I can't ping any server |
| 21:21.39 | Yildirim | load average: 0.16, 0.89, 29.40 |
| 21:21.49 | abrotman | it looks fine |
| 21:21.56 | Yildirim | fine :S |
| 21:22.06 | Megan^ | abrotman: well me, i have an ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i |
| 21:22.18 | abrotman | oh jeez . i don't know anything about those |
| 21:22.20 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: what kind of connection is it cable modem? |
| 21:22.30 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: jes, i want to boot my via epia board from my gateway (multi purose machine) |
| 21:22.31 | abrotman | Megan^: what kind of laptop? |
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| 21:22.38 | Alejandro_ | yes |
| 21:22.46 | analia | hello. is there some source for mplayer ? |
| 21:22.49 | Megan^ | abrotman: dell latitude c600 |
| 21:22.53 | nvz | eww |
| 21:23.03 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: are you on the machine right now running windows |
| 21:23.15 | nvz | !pity Megan^ |
| 21:23.16 | dpkg | I pity da fool Megan^! |
| 21:23.16 | kekostar | what do you think.. i have new laptop and i listen music always in full :D and now my speakers is broken.. do warranty fix this ? |
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| 21:23.18 | Alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, I use dhcp to connect, everytime I do ifdown -a and then ifup -a, the first line comes back again... |
| 21:23.37 | Megan^ | =| |
| 21:23.42 | Megan^ | that doesnt help nvz |
| 21:23.45 | orfeu | what represents the debian-binary ( text 2.0 ) from a deb package ? |
| 21:23.50 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: via epia? argh. try ubuntu rather than debian. maybe that will get you closer to working dri and mpeg2 accell. debian is really painful on that kind of chipset. |
| 21:23.50 | nvz | It be percipitatin' here today |
| 21:23.53 | Alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, yes windows, I don't understand, I've installed Debian several times and this is the first time that happens :S |
| 21:24.09 | Alejandro_ | it happens the same with Yoper :? |
| 21:24.12 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: in fact almost anything is painful with that board if it envolves graphics |
| 21:24.37 | Brisa | stty size =====>>> 25 80 |
| 21:24.38 | Brisa | however my screen still being too big (i only can see the upper half) |
| 21:24.38 | Brisa | what else can i do? |
| 21:24.45 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: try a 'ipconfig' from a dos box and see if the gateway numbers,etc are the same |
| 21:24.47 | abrotman | Megan^: are you sure it's not broken ? |
| 21:25.18 | Alejandro_ | dos? you mean in windows? |
| 21:25.21 | Megan^ | yes abrotman im 100% sure it works |
| 21:25.27 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: yeah |
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| 21:25.42 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: from a command prompt |
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| 21:25.55 | abrotman | Megan^: could you ask #alsa if they have any ideas? |
| 21:26.04 | Megan^ | sure |
| 21:26.24 | abrotman | Megan^: tell them which device you have .. and what's happening |
| 21:26.27 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: just want it in my livingroom to play mp3 |
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| 21:26.40 | shawarma | Hi! Is people.debian.org down? If yes, any estimate as to when it'll be up again? |
| 21:26.51 | abrotman | shawarma: /topic |
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| 21:27.03 | Alejandro_ | ChrysalisM, damn, they are not the same...but if I change it, maybe it will go back to the original :? |
| 21:27.04 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: no movies? not to problematic then. so you can aswell use debian. |
| 21:27.14 | Alejandro_ | how can I stop debian to change that file? |
| 21:27.15 | shawarma | abrotman: sorry, just read the stuff from chanserv and thought it was the topic. My bad.. |
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| 21:27.52 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: changing that file is what it is supposed to do |
| 21:28.12 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: right now i use it with w2k, and watching divx is no problem, but i just want it as a mp3-station |
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| 21:28.25 | Alejandro_ | well, lets try... |
| 21:28.25 | Brisa | what can else can I do? |
| 21:28.26 | Brisa | i already use stty rows 25 and stty cols 80 and it does not work. stty size tell that everyuthing must be ok, but no |
| 21:28.26 | reaper | does anyone know of anything that would let me intercept packets, do some analysis of their contents, and then tell ipchains to forward/drop them? |
| 21:28.35 | Megan^ | nobodys home at #alsa debrotman |
| 21:28.39 | Megan^ | debrot... nice |
| 21:28.42 | Megan^ | *abrot |
| 21:28.47 | nvz | hah |
| 21:28.49 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: the problem with the unichrome driver is that it changes every other day. one day mpeg2 accel works - te next day someone changes something about the dri interface and then mpeg2 is broken again :(. If you download things at a good time it might work with no problems. I didn'T have that luck so far |
| 21:28.54 | nvz | Megan^: you said much earlier you were getting static when listening to mp3s? |
| 21:28.55 | superSSS | how can i see screen of another user? i get Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check. |
| 21:29.04 | ChrysalisM | Alejandro_: try installing pump and then in Debian do a 'pump -i eth0' |
| 21:29.13 | deadcat | superSSS: need super user priv. screen -x |
| 21:29.14 | superSSS | i tried to login to that user as su - user |
| 21:29.29 | Megan^ | yes nvz |
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| 21:29.37 | nvz | Megan^: seems like abrotman has been working on just getting your sound working.. when you came in here as Megan| you said you had sound, but it had static |
| 21:29.49 | Megan^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.53 | Megan^ | its all static |
| 21:30.02 | deadcat | superSSS: BSD has a command called watch, which watches any terminal. cant find one for linux though )= |
| 21:30.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.20 | jetscreamer | bad install script eh |
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| 21:30.22 | arafat_ | I'm having trouble mounting a flash drive. I thought I had to do a "mount /dev/sda /mnt/point" but I can't find /dev/sda. All I have is /.dev/sda |
| 21:30.24 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: if you have a spare hdd you could boot the kernel from that and nfs mount root. far easier than booting from ethernet - and once it'S working you can spin down the hdd. |
| 21:30.25 | nvz | Megan^: if you are using all these layers of obfustication xmms, esound, alsa, etc who knows where the problem lies.. why not try something more basic or fundamental and see if it improves |
| 21:30.27 | Megan^ | off CD's... my cd stuff is a whole nother game... but just for regular mp3's for now, it opens a program and i just get static |
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| 21:30.41 | cast | deadcat: heh. i had the exact opposite problem, i have it in debian but not openbsd |
| 21:30.55 | deadcat | cast: what you use? (= |
| 21:30.56 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: and of course you can change to netbooting any time later without changing anything in your root filesystem. |
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| 21:31.02 | jetscreamer | !find watch |
| 21:31.03 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'watch' (15 shown; 19 total): apt-watch ;; arpwatch ;; bidwatcher ;; ftpwatch ;; fwatch ;; fwatch-modules-src ;; fwlogwatch ;; gkrellm-mailwatch ;; installwatch ;; libroxen-watchdog ;; loadwatch ;; logwatch ;; nwatch ;; swatch ;; swisswatch. |
| 21:31.05 | nvz | Megan^: you've recently installed debian sarge? |
| 21:31.06 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: never had any problems with that under w2k. spinning down the hdd... never tought about that... nice idea! |
| 21:31.07 | superSSS | deadcat: do i have to chmod users screen? |
| 21:31.11 | Megan^ | yes |
| 21:31.11 | deadcat | jetscreamer: no. this watch SUCKS |
| 21:31.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 21:31.18 | deadcat | superSSS: no. man screen. |
| 21:31.27 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: Lost your watch? |
| 21:31.34 | Yildirim | hi |
| 21:31.40 | Yildirim | can anyone help me? |
| 21:31.42 | nvz | Megan^: and so far you've tried to play audio cds and mp3s, and the audio cds sound fine, but you get some static when playing mp3? |
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| 21:31.45 | xerxes1358 | Hello |
| 21:31.48 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, it's not my watch, i have the dawn watch |
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| 21:32.10 | nvz | Megan^: I will also note its best to mute channels like mic, cd, etc when trying to get the best sound from the PCM |
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| 21:32.16 | xerxes1358 | I am not too familiar with APT or debian (gentoo user) but I wonder has APT some kind of meta package? |
| 21:32.27 | nvz | Brisa: yes I do mind, do you? |
| 21:32.28 | Megan^ | audio cd's i dont know how they sound, because for some reason i thing it doesnt like my drive |
| 21:32.35 | Megan^ | im just trying to deal with mp3s for now |
| 21:32.36 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: i have an really old 500Mb disk lying around. would be enough for a little install? |
| 21:32.39 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: that'S because via made proper drivers for win2k. the via drivers only worked on certain kernels. so someone started rewriting them in open source. I you use suse in the version that via supports it should be almost as easy as with win2k ;) |
| 21:32.42 | Megan^ | for the record alsaconf recognizes 2 sound cards. maestro3 and legacy... *shrugs* |
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| 21:33.08 | valdyn | xerxes1358: meta packages exist naturally |
| 21:33.13 | deadcat | superSSS: maybe its not possible. )= |
| 21:33.14 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: i thought more of putting a kernel on it - and nfs mounting whole root. for that 2mb would be more than enough |
| 21:33.17 | arafat_ | anyone know why I don't have /dev/sd* in my system? All I see is /.dev/sd* |
| 21:33.19 | nvz | Brisa: I can help you get banned from here if you dont observe the /topic and quit /msg'ing me |
| 21:33.28 | xerxes1358 | valdyn, so I can say apt-get firefox for instance ? |
| 21:33.35 | deadcat | cast: whats the prob on linux called? |
| 21:33.38 | Phated | arafat_: You're using udev. |
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| 21:33.45 | uws | arafat_: You're running udev (and hal I guess) |
| 21:33.47 | jetscreamer | valdyn, you call that natural? |
| 21:33.53 | valdyn | xerxes1358: apt-get install mozilla-firefox - but that is not a metapackage |
| 21:34.05 | uws | arafat_: no scsi-disks in your system right now, Iguess |
| 21:34.08 | jetscreamer | xerxes1358, apt-get install blabh |
| 21:34.13 | nvz | Megan^: who knows :) alsa isnt my bag. probably some alsa thing |
| 21:34.27 | Megan^ | dammit |
| 21:34.30 | valdyn | jetscreamer: natural as in - a metapackage in debian is not really a special package at all |
| 21:34.30 | Megan^ | deadcat? |
| 21:34.32 | Megan^ | help? |
| 21:34.32 | jetscreamer | xerxes1358, apt-cache search blah* apt-get install blah |
| 21:34.38 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: i could use a flash2ide adapter for a really noisefree system, i like the idea |
| 21:34.39 | deadcat | Megan^: whats the q? |
| 21:34.41 | abrotman | Megan^: google for "<your chipset> static" |
| 21:34.42 | nvz | Megan^: I dont know why you got 2 devices showing up |
| 21:34.47 | Brisa | excuse me nvz. I just does not know what is wrong. Ive read the manual, and all points that everything is working ok, but it is not. My screen is too big and stty tell that everything is ok. I can't even see what i type |
| 21:34.48 | deadcat | Megan^: still sound? |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | nvz: mine does too |
| 21:34.54 | uws | jetscreamer, xerxes1358: apt-cache search blah\* (note the \, it will prevent shell expansion) |
| 21:34.57 | Megan^ | the only thing i hear is static from my sound when playing mp3s.... |
| 21:34.58 | arafat_ | jetscreamer, I'm trying to mount a flash drive. My other machine allows me to do mount /dev/sda I can't on this one. |
| 21:35.06 | nvz | abrotman: yeah like I say, its probably an alsa thing |
| 21:35.12 | cast | deadcat: watch. i dont know what pkg it came in though |
| 21:35.21 | nvz | abrotman: I have no idea. OSS works fine, I need not complicate matters |
| 21:35.22 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: that thing can boot from usb afaik. memsticks should be cheaper |
| 21:35.25 | uws | Megan^: You're catting the file to /dev/dsp instead of decoding it? :) |
| 21:35.28 | abrotman | nvz: i've seen where some cards have channels corssed .. and the windows driver hacks around it |
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| 21:35.35 | Megan^ | i dont know uws |
| 21:35.42 | deadcat | cast: watch in linux sucks. it doesnt seem EXACTLY what the other person sees |
| 21:35.42 | nvz | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:35.48 | jetscreamer | arafat, sda1in my exp, not just sda... make sure the modules are loaded |
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| 21:35.59 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 21:35.59 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 21:36.17 | nvz | abrotman: I am thinkin cpu load or other issues that can play role on static.. since we got ALSA, ESOUND, and XMMS I think we need to just back up a few steps and try mpg321 or something |
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| 21:36.26 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: but flash doesn'T perform very well - and doesn'T allow writing and deleting from it as much as you would on a normal hdd |
| 21:36.31 | deadcat | cast: watch(1) on linux watches command outputs. watch(8 |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | nvz: be my guest .. i'm out of ideas .. |
| 21:36.34 | Yildirim | can anyone tell me how i can downgrade imagemagic |
| 21:36.35 | Yildirim | ? |
| 21:36.40 | deadcat | on BSD watches ttys. |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | nvz: she has sound .. jsut the worng stuff :) |
| 21:36.49 | cast | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i get ya |
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| 21:37.01 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: root on nfs isn'T hard. |
| 21:37.09 | Yildirim | i want to remove packages from debian.? imagemagic ? |
| 21:37.11 | jetscreamer | Yildirim, apt-cache search imagemagic && apt-get install blah |
| 21:37.12 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: k, didnīt know that i can boot from a usbstick, but thnx for the info |
| 21:37.12 | nvz | well there _is_ a maestro 3 OSS driver |
| 21:37.13 | deadcat | cast: kinna like snooptty on linux but snooptty is a joke and the developer should be shot to death. |
| 21:37.14 | quitte | Sauron_the_mad: and noise free |
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| 21:37.24 | jetscreamer | remove packages? |
| 21:37.27 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: sure thing :) |
| 21:37.28 | Yildirim | yes |
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| 21:37.53 | jetscreamer | explain, Yildirim ... try apt-get remove, or apt-get remove --purge ? |
| 21:38.01 | nvz | you _don't_ _need_ esound, and xmms _is_ resource intensive compared to others |
| 21:38.22 | Yildirim | jetscreamer, i have hi loadavarage |
| 21:38.25 | Yildirim | i dont no why :S |
| 21:38.41 | jetscreamer | logged in on multiple tty's maybe |
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| 21:38.43 | Lord-Cereburus | what would a high load avg be considered? |
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| 21:38.45 | Sauron_the_mad | quitte: thank you for all the ideas, im trying to learn by reading faqīs and howtoīs like i read tolkien stuff *g* cu |
| 21:38.49 | asuffield | Lord-Cereburus: nonsense |
| 21:38.58 | jetscreamer | Sauron_the_mad, tldp.org eh |
| 21:38.59 | Yildirim | jetscreamer, its a webserver |
| 21:39.02 | asuffield | loadavg doesn't have a meaningful absolute scale. it doesn't have 'high' values |
| 21:39.09 | Lord-Cereburus | hehe, but around what numbers would you consider it high |
| 21:39.11 | jetscreamer | Yildirim, beyond me then |
| 21:39.14 | asuffield | Lord-Cereburus: *none* |
| 21:39.21 | Lord-Cereburus | O_o |
| 21:39.22 | asuffield | the only interesting thing about loadavg is how it changes. it has no meaningful absolute value |
| 21:39.28 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: 100 |
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| 21:39.31 | Yildirim | i think imagemagic ? |
| 21:39.38 | Lord-Cereburus | alrighty |
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| 21:39.43 | shawarma | Lord-Cereburus: 5 times the number of CPU's in the system. |
| 21:39.44 | asuffield | no given value for loadavg has any particular meaning |
| 21:39.48 | mattybats | my acpi shit is broken |
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| 21:39.52 | asuffield | shawarma: nonsense |
| 21:39.58 | mattybats | why does acpi suck so bad? |
| 21:39.58 | jetscreamer | Yildirim, so what about imagemagic... you want to apt-get remove --purge imagemagic? |
| 21:40.06 | jetscreamer | mattybats, depends on the box |
| 21:40.09 | Yildirim | i want to remove |
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| 21:40.13 | jetscreamer | ie bios |
| 21:40.13 | shawarma | asuffield: How come? |
| 21:40.15 | asuffield | mattybats: because windows doesn't really support it |
| 21:40.18 | nvz | mattybats: might have to go back to taking APM shits then |
| 21:40.20 | orfeu | what represents the debian-binary ( text 2.0 ) from a deb package ? |
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| 21:40.29 | quitte | can someone tell me how to get cvs source from necrotic.deadbeast? |
| 21:40.41 | jetscreamer | man cvs |
| 21:40.46 | asuffield | shawarma: uhh... there *isn't* a reason. that would be the point. |
| 21:40.55 | mattybats | i don't see any apm shit in /proc like i do for acpi |
| 21:40.57 | jetscreamer | you'll probably need to install it first |
| 21:41.10 | mattybats | is that where it's supposed to be? |
| 21:41.19 | mattybats | and do i need to install apmd? |
| 21:41.28 | shawarma | asuffield: Sure, you can't say that by definition if your load average is 5 times the number of CPU's you've got, the system is under heavy load, but I find that it's a pretty accurate rule of thumb. |
| 21:41.37 | nvz | APM is just power management, ACPI can do virtually anything |
| 21:41.45 | asuffield | shawarma: that's a feature of *your box*. nothing else. |
| 21:41.46 | helix | quitte: I think he keeps it in svn |
| 21:41.50 | quitte_ | jetscreamer it's not like i never used cvs |
| 21:41.53 | arafat_ | So I'm running udev (don't know why or how) and I'm trying to access my thumb drive. Anyone know how I can do that please? |
| 21:41.58 | quitte_ | helix svn? |
| 21:41.58 | mattybats | nvz: so APM doesn't let you put your computer to sleep and such? |
| 21:41.59 | shawarma | asuffield: What makes you say that? |
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| 21:42.04 | helix | quitte_: subversion |
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| 21:42.10 | nvz | hmm the rain seems to have let up |
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| 21:42.28 | nvz | mattybats: thats power management |
| 21:42.30 | jetscreamer | quitte, i haven't though you see... |
| 21:42.32 | asuffield | shawarma: because it is. loadavg is entirely dependant on what you happen to be running, not some abstract notion of 'high load' |
| 21:42.52 | asuffield | *any* value of loadavg can be 'normal load' |
| 21:42.52 | Megan^ | so no help huh =| |
| 21:42.54 | mattybats | nvz: and by power management you mean acpi? |
| 21:43.08 | jetscreamer | arafat, apt-get remove --purge udev worked for me |
| 21:43.14 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 21:43.29 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: apt-get --purge remove udev |
| 21:43.34 | shawarma | asuffield: right. As I said, it's not an accurate definition. It's a rule of thumb that I find to be precise almost always. If you load average over several hours is around 5 times the number of CPU's, I should consider upgrading the server (ie. add another CPU or something). |
| 21:43.45 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, then you'll find both ways work |
| 21:43.46 | helix | ricky_clarkson: what's the difference? |
| 21:43.48 | asuffield | shawarma: you only find it to be 'precise' because you're only looking at your boxes |
| 21:43.49 | nostromo^ | can exim4 allow me to relay from an internet ip once i've authenticated to imap or something? |
| 21:43.52 | helix | Megan^: maybe you could ask again\ |
| 21:43.54 | nvz | mattybats: APM is Advanced Power Management. Thats all it does is PM. ACPI is Advanced Control and Power Interface. it can also do things like IRQ Steering and Routing, Thermal sensing and control of fans, cpu throttling, monitoring of switches..etc |
| 21:43.55 | ricky_clarkson | I thought jetscreamer's way would fail. |
| 21:44.02 | helix | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 21:44.03 | ricky_clarkson | I can't currently try it. |
| 21:44.06 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, ditto :) |
| 21:44.06 | asuffield | shawarma: you might as well say that you find bogomips to be meaningful for the same reason |
| 21:44.08 | helix | it works |
| 21:44.16 | shawarma | asuffield: You wouldn't happen to be a politician, would you? You "argue" like one. |
| 21:44.20 | jetscreamer | yeah it's not required in order |
| 21:44.24 | Megan^ | question: the only thing i hear is static from my sound when playing mp3s....help? |
| 21:44.29 | mattybats | so APM doesn't allow you tell it anything, or in other words RTFM? |
| 21:44.37 | jetscreamer | Megan^, use a better encoder |
| 21:44.44 | Megan^ | how jetscreamer |
| 21:44.48 | zxv | anyone ever used a mx510 or mx500 mouse under x? i cant seem to get the scroll wheel to work... ive gotten it to work with other mices but cant with this |
| 21:44.51 | jetscreamer | Megan^, you didn't write to ntfs did you? |
| 21:44.54 | jetscreamer | just checking |
| 21:45.00 | ricky_clarkson | shawarma: He's actually the Rt. Hon. John Prescott Deputy Prime Minister PhD BSc cUnT |
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| 21:45.24 | jetscreamer | Megan^, which program did you use? try a different one. |
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| 21:45.35 | jetscreamer | Megan^, works here... :/ |
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| 21:45.46 | shawarma | asuffield: The guy asked what would be considered a high load average. I provided him with an answer I find useful during my work. |
| 21:45.50 | Megan^ | which program do you suggest jetscreamer |
| 21:45.51 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Not seen you about for a bit. |
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| 21:46.11 | asuffield | shawarma: that's like having somebody ask "How tall am I?", and responding with your own height |
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| 21:46.14 | jetscreamer | Megan^, what are you creating the mp3's out of |
| 21:46.18 | jetscreamer | from |
| 21:46.23 | nvz | Megan^: like I said earlier best thing to do is remove esound from the picture, stop using xmms, and perhaps try a different driver. with a sound daemon and a bloated music player its hard to say where the problem lies |
| 21:46.31 | asuffield | shawarma: the answer for *your* box is NOT THE SAME as the answer for other people's boxes |
| 21:46.39 | ricky_clarkson | shawarma: For a one-CPU PC, 1.0 or above is high load. There, that's as good a definition as any. |
| 21:46.49 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: completely arbitrary one, though |
| 21:46.55 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Good. |
| 21:47.10 | asuffield | loadavg just doesn't measure load. it measures changes in load |
| 21:47.14 | nvz | Megan^: there is a command-line player called mpg321 that is a good tool to use in this case. after you seek and destroy esound |
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| 21:47.16 | shawarma | asuffield: I never claimed that 4.99 is low and 5.00 is high. I'm saying that if my load average over several hours is around 5 times the number of processors, that's about when the system starts to feel too slow for the users. |
| 21:47.23 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Like when we talk about high and low temperatures - the inhabitants of Mars and Venus, should they exist, probably use other ones. |
| 21:47.29 | Megan^ | i just pulled an mp3 off of my winxp machine and transfered it over with an ftp jetscreamer |
| 21:47.30 | asuffield | shawarma: and that's going to be different on every other box |
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| 21:47.38 | deadcat | ah. finally remember my root passwd (= |
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| 21:47.54 | jetscreamer | Megan^, do you have w32codecs ? |
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| 21:48.02 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: that's different. temperature measures how hot something is. loadavg doesn't measure how heavily a box is loaded |
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| 21:48.07 | Megan^ | i dont know =( im like seriously new |
| 21:48.27 | Megan^ | just moved over from winxp... i wanna learn so im looking for some help =| |
| 21:48.28 | jetscreamer | !tell Megan^ about marillat |
| 21:48.29 | nostromo^ | what package provides loadavg anyways? |
| 21:48.31 | nvz | Megan^: you dont, its unoffical package |
| 21:48.36 | alejandro_ | how can I stop Debian to changing the resolv.co? |
| 21:48.36 | shawarma | asuffield: That might be your experience. In my experience, that measure works on basically any box I work with (Sun, HP-UX, Linux (x86, PA-RISC, amd64) for both mail servers, database servers, shell servers, etc. |
| 21:48.37 | nvz | Megan^: you shouldnt need it either |
| 21:48.43 | jetscreamer | Megan^, do what that says, then apt-get install w32codecs |
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| 21:48.49 | vulture | asuffield: so what do you claim it does measure? |
| 21:48.51 | asuffield | shawarma: which just shows that your experience is limited |
| 21:48.53 | deadcat | Megan^: if you have time you should try a local LUG or something like that. always good to have in-person help. |
| 21:48.59 | valdyn | alejandro_: the package resolvconf is doing that - remove it |
| 21:49.00 | jetscreamer | Megan^, apt-get update && apt-get install w32codecs |
| 21:49.05 | MrIch | which autostart folder uses xfce4 in debian? |
| 21:49.07 | asuffield | vulture: I already said several times. changes in loadavg indicate changes in system load. it's a relative scale, not an absolute one |
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| 21:49.18 | Megan^ | should i remove alsa aswell? |
| 21:49.28 | helix | blehhh, alsa |
| 21:49.30 | asuffield | (more precisely, it measures the length of the run queue, but that's the same thing) |
| 21:49.37 | shawarma | asuffield: I wouldn't call that limited, but that's just me. |
| 21:49.40 | vulture | asuffield: the proc man page indicates that it measures the number of processes in the run queue or waiting for disk IO averaged over the last N minutes, it doesn't seem to be relative at all.. what documentation supports your claim? |
| 21:49.41 | jetscreamer | Megan^, no don't jack with stuff that is functional |
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| 21:49.48 | asuffield | vulture: umm, that one |
| 21:49.51 | jetscreamer | Megan^, do you have sound, normal sound? |
| 21:49.53 | Megan^ | ok so i removed esound |
| 21:49.54 | asuffield | vulture: that's what I just said |
| 21:49.56 | jetscreamer | if so don't mess |
| 21:50.01 | deadcat | alsa is really bad on my ibook. luckily i am not using it. hehe. |
| 21:50.05 | nvz | jetscreamer: are you even following this issue that has been going on for nearly 2 hours? |
| 21:50.13 | vulture | asuffield: that's not a relative measure. It's absolute. The average number of processes, what's that relative to? |
| 21:50.16 | nvz | jetscreamer: what does w32codecs have to do with anything |
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| 21:50.28 | asuffield | vulture: <sigh> it is not an absolute measure of system load |
| 21:50.31 | jetscreamer | yeah she can't play her mp3's from winxp in linux is my take nvz |
| 21:50.39 | vulture | asuffield: how do you define "system load"? |
| 21:50.43 | nvz | Megan^: try installing mp321, and run mpg321 /path/to/mp3 and see if the sound is any better |
| 21:50.54 | asuffield | vulture: congratulations, you have correctly identified the reason why it is not an absolute measure of system load |
| 21:50.59 | Megan^ | ok nvz |
| 21:51.08 | alejandro_ | valdyn, i just did a "dpkg -r resolvconf" and it says that i dont have that package... |
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| 21:51.17 | nvz | jetscreamer: she installed sarge, has a Maestro 3 on a dell lattitude laptop with ALSA and esound, and gets static with XMMS, seems to be clueless otherwise. |
| 21:51.21 | asuffield | vulture: it is not an absolute scale in the first place. all you can say is that higher loadavg *now* than *then* indicates that load *now* is higher than it was *then* |
| 21:51.21 | alejandro_ | O_o |
| 21:51.23 | vulture | it's possibly not representative of cpu load, but a combination of cpu and disk load, which seems like a reasonable concept to associate with the term "system load" |
| 21:51.37 | nvz | jetscreamer: all we know is the sound is configured and it makes static. nothing else can be assumed |
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| 21:51.47 | asuffield | vulture: yes, you appear to have grasped the basics, now think about the subject under discussion |
| 21:51.48 | vulture | asuffield: I don't agree. If it's the average of the number of processes waiting for something, that's absolute, not relative to some previous state. |
| 21:51.50 | valdyn | alejandro_: i dont know which other package would keep modifying that file, sorry |
| 21:52.03 | asuffield | vulture: that's NOT A MEANINGFUL MEASURE OF SYSTEM LOAD. how many times? |
| 21:52.13 | alejandro_ | damn.... |
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| 21:52.16 | alejandro_ | thanks thou |
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| 21:52.34 | nvz | jetscreamer: I just dont like the idea that you are pushing someone in the direction of downloading unofficial binaries because their sound isnt working properly. It makes 0 sense to me. |
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| 21:52.43 | vulture | asuffield: I ask again then. What is your definition of "system load"? |
| 21:52.45 | nostromo^ | asuffield, so what is? |
| 21:52.55 | jetscreamer | nvz she said her mp3's from winxp don't work. ok. |
| 21:53.11 | asuffield | nostromo^: there isn't anything. why should there be? |
| 21:53.20 | priest | someone know how to change the tab width in vim? i looked in the man file, but i couldn't find anything about it. |
| 21:53.23 | alejandro_ | valdyn, maybe installing woody and then upgrade to sarge? |
| 21:53.25 | vulture | I've stated that the definition of load average seems to be a useful definition to associate with the term "system load", you seem to disagree - on what basis do you disagree. |
| 21:53.26 | peterS | asuffield: maybe it would work better if you were to retract the claim that it's a relative measure of what it measures, and claim instead that what it measures cannot be correlated, except in a relative sense, with what people really want to know |
| 21:53.29 | asuffield | vulture: I say again: congratulations, you have correctly identified the reason why there isn't one |
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| 21:53.38 | jetscreamer | nvz, gtg anyway.... lemme know if you were successful though |
| 21:53.41 | vulture | asuffield: so you claim there is no concept of of system load, not just no measure of the concept |
| 21:53.43 | Megan^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.48 | nvz | jetscreamer: k, later |
| 21:54.03 | vulture | peterS: even that claim is inconsistent with what he's saying it seems |
| 21:54.08 | nvz | Megan^: mpg321 |
| 21:54.09 | vulture | (to me anyway) |
| 21:54.13 | asuffield | vulture: no, there is a concept. you just can't measure it on an absolute scale. you can only compare it |
| 21:54.13 | Megan^ | oh thanks nvz |
| 21:54.25 | nvz | Megan^: are you sure there is no esound process running? |
| 21:54.25 | Xenguy | priest: :help tw |
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| 21:54.32 | valdyn | alejandro_: well, yes, but that still needs to be bound to a certain package |
| 21:54.32 | vulture | asuffield: ok, for the 3rd time: what is your definition of "system load"? |
| 21:54.37 | asuffield | peterS: that's the same thing anyway, and I don't have much hope that people who can't grasp the notion of relative measures can understand 'correlation'... |
| 21:54.42 | vulture | you seem to have one, state that it is relative, but have yet to state what it is |
| 21:54.54 | asuffield | vulture: are you even listening? |
| 21:54.56 | valdyn | alejandro_: everything debian is in or done by a package |
| 21:54.59 | vulture | I believe I am. |
| 21:55.18 | asuffield | vulture: I've answered that question several times by indicating that it is a nonsensical question |
| 21:55.18 | Megan^ | how about xmms nvz, can i use that instead? |
| 21:55.49 | vulture | asuffield: yet you say there is a relative measure of system load, yes? then state that there is no definition of system load.. |
| 21:55.53 | valdyn | alejandro_: and those packages also put in modified files a header, explaining - so your issue is confusing, maybe not debians fault, still i dont know |
| 21:55.55 | vulture | this seems to be inconsistent |
| 21:56.02 | nvz | Megan^: you can try xmms again if you are certain the esound process is dead, but xmms is highly resource intensive.. cpu load can cause the problem you are talking about |
| 21:56.04 | asuffield | vulture: it is not. it just means that there's no absolute scale |
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| 21:56.16 | Megan^ | i removed esound nvz lol |
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| 21:56.20 | nvz | Megan^: mpg321 or a smaller player narrows it down to a driver problem |
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| 21:56.25 | superSSS | how can i see screen of another user? i get Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check., when i login from root to su - user |
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| 21:56.31 | nvz | Megan^: removing a package doesn't nessicarily stop its processes |
| 21:56.42 | nostromo^ | vulture, i think he means they're no absolute scale *across machines*. one machine's "full load" is another's "half load". |
| 21:56.42 | vulture | asuffield: So, what is your definition of system load. Not an absolute one, just an english description of system load - what does the term mean? |
| 21:56.48 | nvz | Megan^: I can uninstall my IRC client while I am chatting and it will not stop the program |
| 21:56.51 | asuffield | vulture: consult a dictionary |
| 21:56.52 | partially | has anyone been able to find a syntax highlighting file for nano that supports php5? |
| 21:56.58 | alejandro_ | valdyn, it is, is the first time that happens, I've installed debian in that computer several times.... |
| 21:57.13 | alejandro_ | and this is the first time that i can't connect |
| 21:57.14 | Covener | Megan^: joining this party late -- you've looked into physical location of the soundcard if it's a pci card? Does the static correlate with lots of heavy graphics stuff (wiggling windows for example)? If so, maybe less aggressive AGP settings? |
| 21:57.14 | petemc | superSSS: chown user `tty` |
| 21:57.20 | peterS | partially: nano has syntax highlighting? the horror |
| 21:57.23 | vulture | asuffield: somehow I doubt the oxford english would cover this - which would you suggest? |
| 21:57.32 | vulture | asuffield: is nostromo^'s interpretation consistent with your point of view? |
| 21:57.40 | partially | peterS: yup, nano is my favorite editor! |
| 21:57.41 | partially | heh |
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| 21:57.46 | atrus | has anybody come up with a true-type-capable framebuffer-driven replacement for getty & its ilk? |
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| 21:58.02 | asuffield | vulture: kinda-sorta, but not really. it's true enough, but it's not relevant |
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| 21:58.14 | BBearr | If I have an ftp client, where would I find it? |
| 21:58.27 | nvz | haha |
| 21:58.29 | asuffield | loadavg not only has no scale across machines, it has no real scale on the same machine in different circumstances either |
| 21:58.37 | nvz | BBearr: if you dont know if you have one, then you probably dont |
| 21:58.42 | Xenguy | BBearr: command-line or graphical? |
| 21:58.44 | superSSS | petemc: chown user '/dev/pts/1' ? |
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| 21:58.50 | Covener | BBearr: ls -l /etc/alternatives/ftp |
| 21:58.50 | nvz | BBearr: if you had one it would be in /usr/bin/ most likely |
| 21:58.56 | Megan^ | covener, im afraid im on a laptop |
| 21:59.08 | asuffield | you can only compare it (on the local machine, under the same circumstances). no single measurement of loadavg tells you *anything* useful about the load on the system |
| 21:59.12 | BBearr | Command line. I'm having trouble with X and my ATI 9200 |
| 21:59.16 | nvz | there, there Megan^, don't be afraid |
| 21:59.24 | Xenguy | BBearr: apt-get lftp |
| 21:59.31 | Xenguy | BBearr: apt-get install lftp |
| 21:59.32 | carrett | BBearr: what Xenguy said |
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| 21:59.35 | vulture | asuffield: define "circumstances" such that a machine can have two different load averages, under the same circumstances |
| 21:59.36 | petemc | superSSS: no, what i said, replaccing user with the relevant username |
| 22:00.02 | BBearr | Thanks. brb |
| 22:00.03 | vulture | asuffield: so what concept of load are you using, and what data are part of that concept? |
| 22:00.13 | asuffield | vulture: oh, do think for yourself for once |
| 22:00.25 | asuffield | I'm not going to define every single word in the english language just because you want to waste time |
| 22:00.35 | nostromo^ | asuffield, but by the very definition of system load monitoring, several samples are taken throughout a certain period of time, and then averaged. |
| 22:00.46 | Megan^ | nvz... this sucks =( |
| 22:00.59 | vulture | asuffield: I am thinking, and your definitions seem inconsistent with my own, so I'm asking for clarification so I can at least agree to disagree or increase my understanding of the term as it is used by others. |
| 22:01.08 | carrett | is dpkg broken? |
| 22:01.09 | asuffield | nostromo^: <shrug> that average value is no use either alone. the only thing you can do with loadavg that's useful is to say "the loadavg now is higher than it was 15 minutes ago" |
| 22:01.11 | carrett | dpkg: hello |
| 22:01.23 | asuffield | (and similar relations) |
| 22:01.38 | nvz | Megan^: yep well thats why I am asking you to go to the most fundamental level and see if you can just get something to sound right. try a game with sound, or try a different sound driver.. I am fairly certain there are OSS drivers for the Maestro 3 |
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| 22:01.55 | asuffield | vulture: I am not going to play word games for any reason |
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| 22:02.26 | Megan^ | hold my hand here im new nvz, how do i install an OSS driver for my card =| |
| 22:02.31 | nostromo^ | asuffield, what you're saying is too logically rigid. you can continue this forever. you simply remove any time reference. i can tell you that checking your load for 3 years would be meaningless as well. |
| 22:02.43 | nvz | Megan^: using an unknown mp3 it could be corrupted for all we knowm using xmms, it could have a bug or maybe using too much resources, as it draws its own window repeatedly as well as visualizations.. or it could be that sound daemon thats filtering your audio..etc |
| 22:02.44 | asuffield | nostromo^: that made no sense |
| 22:02.49 | nvz | Megan^: you have to rule things out |
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| 22:03.11 | vulture | asuffield: the load average has a fixed meaning not a relative one, why is it meaningless to relate the values. So what is it that makes system A at time T1 different from system B at time T2, but the same as system A at time T3? |
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| 22:03.20 | nvz | Megan^: you cant keep trying the same things over and over and wonder why they don't work. |
| 22:03.24 | asuffield | vulture: the "fixed meaning" is not useful in any practical sense |
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| 22:03.27 | nostromo^ | asuffield, au contrarie, what you're saying makes no sense. you're completely detaching the notion of time from system load monitoring. that's rather moot. |
| 22:03.32 | vulture | asuffield: and why is that? |
| 22:03.35 | asuffield | nostromo^: I said no such thing |
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| 22:03.42 | Megan^ | nvz. when i use xmms it shows the equalizer stats perfectly as if the song plays right, but all i hear is static... |
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| 22:03.48 | asuffield | vulture: because it isn't. why is yellow not an elephant? |
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| 22:04.25 | vulture | asuffield: The reason those concepts aren't the same isn't a practical one, it's a fundamental symantic one, the comparison is not valid. |
| 22:04.35 | Megan^ | nvz ive never used xmms before |
| 22:04.37 | nvz | Megan^: I know the problem already :) got to try something else to find a solution |
| 22:04.43 | nevyn | asuffield: mu |
| 22:04.44 | asuffield | vulture: <shrug> why is there not an elephant on your head? |
| 22:04.56 | asuffield | nevyn: yes, but I don't have any real hope for them to understand that |
| 22:04.57 | nostromo^ | asuffield, if i see my load average throughout the last 15 minutes has been 0.35, and i know for a fact the server is running at "normal capacity", can't i decude from that that this will probably be the load in the next 15 minutes? |
| 22:05.01 | Megan^ | nvz: i was using other programs beside xmms when i had the problem |
| 22:05.21 | kirbymeister | ever since I uninstalled udev; my joypads dont work anymore |
| 22:05.22 | nvz | Megan^: your goal here is to find something that will give you sound the way you expect it to be. then go from there |
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| 22:05.38 | asuffield | nostromo^: not exactly. what you can deduce is that, if in 15 minutes it has increased 'significantly', then your system load has increased |
| 22:05.45 | nvz | Megan^: could be anything, just cant be what you already know doesnt work.. i.e that mp3 and that player |
| 22:05.46 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: Place one hand in hot water, and the other in cold water. Wait 30 seconds. |
| 22:06.19 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: Finished waiting? Good. Now place both hands in lukewarm water. Now tell me whether that water feels hot or cold. |
| 22:06.36 | petemc | neiljp: /lastlog neiljp |
| 22:06.48 | Megan^ | ive used totem and rythembox.... they both dont work as well |
| 22:06.53 | Megan^ | lets try the new oss driver nvz |
| 22:06.59 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: You're great at keeping this kind of stuff going while I look elsewhere ;) |
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| 22:07.43 | nvz | Megan^: the OSS drivers are most likely not new. |
| 22:07.51 | vulture | asuffield: why do you compare load averages of the same system at different times, but not of different systems? what makes the comparison any more valid? basically I'm still trying to get at your use of the term "circumstances" under which the comparison is valid |
| 22:07.55 | neiljp | petemc: doesn't help when you used my name ;) |
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| 22:08.07 | vulture | when the system is running similar processes, is it under similar circumstances? |
| 22:08.20 | Megan^ | nvz, my card is atle least 5 years old.... i dont really need new stuff |
| 22:08.20 | vulture | how similar does the process tree have to be for the comparison to be valid? |
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| 22:08.33 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: *brain implosion* |
| 22:08.37 | petemc | neiljp: so it adds an extra line at the end, you can just ignore it |
| 22:08.49 | nvz | Megan^: you would have to remove the ALSA modules first, you could use modconf to unload them and load the OSS ones |
| 22:08.58 | neiljp | petemc: is it program-dependent? |
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| 22:09.11 | steve_ | hey- i'm a *nix n00b, but ive been trying to learn debian. what is freeBSD and do i want to use it? |
| 22:09.12 | neiljp | petemc: its not in my buffer, afaict...been away for the w/e |
| 22:09.15 | petemc | neiljp: no idea, does it not work for you? |
| 22:09.19 | asuffield | vulture: the only answer is a circular definition, since you're dealing with elementary english |
| 22:09.24 | neiljp | petemc: it just shows me your message |
| 22:09.36 | Megan^ | okay walk me thru this nvz |
| 22:09.41 | petemc | 01:34 < EdibleText> neiljp-gone, /etc/network/interfaces would be the prefered way |
| 22:09.41 | asuffield | vulture: these things cannot be measured or quantified. if they could then measuring system load would be easy |
| 22:09.56 | nostromo^ | asuffield, im not interested in what it was 30 minutes ago. im basing my "my server is heavily loaded or not" decision on the last 15 minutes. why can't i do that with /proc/loadavg? |
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| 22:10.10 | asuffield | nostromo^: you can. this is *precisely* why there are three values in there |
| 22:10.15 | nvz | Megan^: from a root prompt, run modconf, if its not there install it |
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| 22:10.23 | asuffield | nostromo^: what you look for is a difference between the "one minute" and the "15 minutes" windows |
| 22:10.35 | tazle | hm, wonder where I could find the configuration of the installer kernel |
| 22:10.39 | asuffield | nostromo^: if the recent one is higher, your system is increasing load. if it's lower, it's decreasing load |
| 22:10.43 | vulture | asuffield: I'm still wondering under what conditions you consider the comparison between system load values to be valid. If not across different machines, if not across the same machine in a sifficiently different state, then when? |
| 22:10.48 | nvz | Megan^: the OSS module is called /kernel/drivers/sound/Maestro3 |
| 22:10.56 | vulture | asuffield: so within 15 minutes the comparison is always valid? |
| 22:10.57 | petemc | tazle: /boot/config-kernelversion |
| 22:10.59 | nvz | Megan^: you have to unload the ALSA ones first |
| 22:11.06 | smj | Hey guys, what's the command for generating a random password? |
| 22:11.08 | Megan^ | okay nvz, im workin on it lol |
| 22:11.10 | peterS | nvz: ...except without the capital M |
| 22:11.14 | asuffield | vulture: no, only if nothing significant has changed in that time other than system load |
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| 22:11.33 | HawkHunter | okay - so i dl debian 7 - and put the cd in the drawer - when the computer boots up - i see "SYSLINUX 1.66 2002-01-01" and nothing happens.. |
| 22:11.39 | petemc | smj: i use perls silly werder |
| 22:11.50 | vulture | asuffield: so if the number of processes is roughly the same, there are just more blocking on disk/cpu (higher load)? |
| 22:12.03 | tazle | petemc: no such files in the netboot packet at least |
| 22:12.07 | smj | petemc: ok |
| 22:12.10 | vulture | if there are sufficiently more/less processes the comparison is not valid? |
| 22:12.25 | asuffield | vulture: you persist in trying to pin a definition on 'system load' when I've already told you there isn't one |
| 22:12.34 | Megan^ | ok i have modconf open nvz1 |
| 22:12.37 | petemc | tazle: you can get the config from the mirror, in the samedirectory as the floppy images |
| 22:12.44 | vulture | asuffield: yet you use the term, claim it is a relative one, then when pushed claim there is none at all |
| 22:12.48 | nostromo^ | asuffield, since when does that mean that it's increasing? lets say you have 0.90, 0.30, 0.31? what if someone just made a heavy query and it encumbered the server for 1 minute, and then the server falls back to 0.30? |
| 22:12.51 | vulture | there seems to be an inconsistency |
| 22:13.11 | asuffield | nostromo^: it *was* increasing, for this one-minute interval |
| 22:13.15 | nvz | Megan^: I dont know jack about alsa, so I dont know what to tell you other then locate the ALSA modules and unload em |
| 22:13.21 | Xenguy | smj: or search for one -> apt-cache search random |grep password |less <-- for example |
| 22:13.39 | vulture | nostromo^: that doesn't concern me, speaking of the increase/decrease averaged over the interval is fine |
| 22:13.47 | Megan^ | no idea where they mught be alsa |
| 22:13.49 | petemc | smj: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/addemail.pl.txt |
| 22:13.56 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: System load is "how loud is your hard drive swapping pages to disk?" ;) |
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| 22:14.04 | asuffield | vulture: because you're being loose with the terminology. you can define a relation on things without defining a scale on them |
| 22:14.06 | tazle | petemc: can't find any configs under the images tree in sarge/main/installer-i386/current/ |
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| 22:14.32 | vulture | asuffield: I'm not trying to _use_ the terminology at all. If there's a strict definition you use (and pereferably others) I'd be quite inclined to use it. |
| 22:14.37 | petemc | tazle: mmm, they're definately there for woody, not so sure abut sarge |
| 22:14.38 | Megan^ | deadcat? |
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| 22:14.48 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 22:15.05 | nostromo^ | asuffield, ok, so simply put - lets say you want to benchmark a server. how would you go about doing that? |
| 22:15.07 | nvz | Megan^: modconf gives you a list, just look |
| 22:15.09 | vulture | but you have yet to provide one - you claim it is relative, and that it isn't valid when things are sufficiently different, yet don't define what are sufficient conditions for the relative comparison to be valid |
| 22:15.22 | Megan^ | im looking, i cant find anything that says alsa |
| 22:15.24 | nvz | Megan^: I dont have your kernel, I have custom kernels that dont have alsa modules |
| 22:15.27 | asuffield | nostromo^: it would not involve loadavg. that's the point. loadavg is not a benchmark; it cannot be used like that |
| 22:15.29 | nvz | Megan^: look in sound |
| 22:15.35 | vulture | nostromo^: benchmarks are invariably sketchy |
| 22:15.39 | smj | petemc, Xenguy: pwgen was what I was looking for. Thanks though guys. I couldn't remember the name. |
| 22:15.41 | valdyn | nostromo^: benchmark what you demand from it, benchmark apache if you want to use apache on it ) |
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| 22:15.48 | tazle | petemc: hmm, the directory structure is different too, guess I'll have to look around |
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| 22:15.56 | asuffield | nostromo^: exactly how I *would* do it would depend on the application, of course. bonnie for filesystems, etc |
| 22:15.57 | nvz | Megan^: there is also the option of using lsmod to show loaded modules, then just manually removing em |
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| 22:16.19 | fabrizio | HI |
| 22:16.21 | vulture | asuffield: If system A is runnig the same programs under the same conditions (ie: processing roughly the same data) why is that an invalid comparison when system A at time T1 and system A at time T2 exhibit a similar difference in state? |
| 22:16.25 | nvz | Megan^: alsa modules usually say snd_* |
| 22:16.40 | vulture | (and the comparison in the latter case is valid, according to you) |
| 22:16.49 | fabrizio | someone know a good web site with notes to install kenrnel 2.6.10? |
| 22:16.50 | fabrizio | someone know a good web site with notes to install kenrnel 2.6.10? |
| 22:17.04 | asuffield | vulture: uhh... nothing you just said appears to contradict anything I've said |
| 22:17.09 | nvz | fabrizio: how about stfuandstoprepeatingeverything.com? |
| 22:17.22 | chops | So I'm trying to get one of those USB-to-IDE adapters to work, and it doesn't. I get some errors/warnings ("Bad target number (1:0)" for various values of 1), then apparent success ("USB Mass Storage device found at 5"), then nothing. |
| 22:17.35 | vulture | asuffield: I asked a question, I didn't make an assertion - so it couldn't contradict you. |
| 22:17.37 | chops | No new IDE or SCSI devices appear. Anyone have a clue they can lend me? |
| 22:17.40 | Megan^ | i dont see anything in sound nvz |
| 22:17.53 | vulture | yet you haven't answered the question. |
| 22:18.03 | fabrizio | nvz: waht? |
| 22:18.08 | fabrizio | nvz: what? |
| 22:18.14 | drac | heh |
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| 22:18.25 | asuffield | vulture: you were begging the question. it *isn't* an invalid comparison, and that's what I've been saying. it's more or less anything *else* that's invalid |
| 22:18.25 | nostromo^ | asuffield, so what would you do? sample the system with sar for a while? |
| 22:18.33 | FLD | is tehre program that shows mouses X and Y corninates? |
| 22:18.34 | cafuego | fabrizio: you're saying everything twice, it's annoying. |
| 22:18.40 | FLD | i wanna know onw location in screen |
| 22:18.41 | Xenguy | smj: $ apt-cache search random |grep password |grep pwgen |
| 22:18.42 | Xenguy | libpam-pwgen - a password generator |
| 22:18.48 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 22:18.50 | FLD | where my cursor is |
| 22:18.53 | fabrizio | cafuego: you too |
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| 22:19.00 | tazle | petemc: hmph, can't find any, is there a web CVS or something for Debian? |
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| 22:19.16 | cafuego | fabrizio: I did it with irony, that's different. |
| 22:19.18 | asuffield | nostromo^: no, I'd use some benchmark vaguely relevant to the task at hand. obviously that would depend on what the box is supposed to be doing |
| 22:19.22 | FLD | HEEEYYY |
| 22:19.22 | vulture | asuffield: I was asking a question. If you could define what it was that was different about the two cases then I would have gained understanding about what you believe to be the sufficient differences/similarities necessary to make the comparison meaningful |
| 22:19.31 | nvz | Megan^: I have no idea. all I know is the module names usually start with snd_ |
| 22:19.31 | Xenguy | smj: nm, I'm completely on crack ATM it seems |
| 22:19.34 | asuffield | vulture: you only gave one case... |
| 22:19.41 | nvz | Megan^: try typing lsmod to list loaded modules |
| 22:19.49 | nvz | Megan^: then rmmod any ones that look like alsa modules |
| 22:19.51 | nostromo^ | cafuego, problem? |
| 22:19.58 | cafuego | nostromo^: aliens! everywhere! |
| 22:20.00 | vulture | asuffield: two cases. case a) system A and system B running roughly the same processes/load case b) system A at time T1 and system A at time T2 |
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| 22:20.05 | nostromo^ | cafuego, ahh :) |
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| 22:20.15 | vulture | what is it that makes the comarison of load averages meaningful in (b) but not in (a)? |
| 22:20.17 | FLD | HEY is there program taht shows mouses X and Y cordinates? |
| 22:20.22 | fabrizio | cafuego: i can understand irony, don't worry.... |
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| 22:20.23 | asuffield | vulture: variations in hardware will throw it off, just like for bogomips |
| 22:20.27 | nvz | FLD: xev |
| 22:20.46 | nostromo^ | asuffield, your system is already running the exact same way you want it to. you just want to see if it's "heavily loaded". |
| 22:20.58 | asuffield | nostromo^: loadavg can't tell you this. that's the *point* |
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| 22:21.08 | asuffield | nostromo^: benchmark it, and see if the benchmarks are acceptable |
| 22:21.22 | nostromo^ | asuffield, and what tool would you use for that benchmark? |
| 22:21.24 | linoleum | hello : give me the best VIDEO player to see my divx TKX YOU I love debian ^ |
| 22:21.25 | vulture | asuffield: you mean it can tell you if it's more loaded than it was before, not if it is "heavily loaded" in some absolute sense.. |
| 22:21.29 | FLD | nvz is swhows only in the windopw |
| 22:21.30 | Megan^ | ive gotsnd_maestro3, snd_ac97_codec, snd_pcm_codec, snd_mixer_oss, snd_pcm, snd_page_alloc, snd_timer... and snd |
| 22:21.35 | FLD | evetn tester window |
| 22:21.42 | asuffield | nostromo^: obviously that depends on the problem. it's going to be some application-level thing, like an apache benchmark tool |
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| 22:21.48 | peterS | FLD: xev has options for that |
| 22:21.48 | nvz | FLD: did you run it from an xterm? |
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| 22:21.55 | asuffield | vulture: that is what I said, yes |
| 22:22.05 | tazle | hm, apparently there is debian installer svn, let's see... |
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| 22:22.32 | peterS | tazle: there is indeed |
| 22:22.34 | nvz | Megan^: yep those are the alsa modules |
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| 22:23.01 | nostromo^ | asuffield, ok, so why wouldn't sar work? im taking lots of samples for like a week, and then see the averages.. i don't see why this doesn't give me an idea regarding how loaded the server is. |
| 22:23.11 | vulture | asuffield: I've made some progress, but I'm still wondering what you consider to be necessarily similar conditions for the comparison of two load average values to be valid |
| 22:23.28 | asuffield | nostromo^: because you've got no idea what sort of values from sar mean 'heavy load'. you haven't related it to the purpose of the server at all |
| 22:23.30 | Megan^ | so, rmmod everything that says snd_* right nvz? |
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| 22:23.38 | nvz | Megan^: rmmod <module>, unloads them |
| 22:23.38 | FLD | sux |
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| 22:23.55 | Megan^ | everything that says snd_* nvz? |
| 22:23.57 | peterS | vulture: I suspect a metric based on how long a process has to wait, mean / std deviation, for disk I/O or CPU, would be a start |
| 22:24.01 | tazle | hm, apparently ext2, tmpfs, initrd and devfs should be enough |
| 22:24.04 | nvz | Megan^: uh huh |
| 22:24.10 | Megan^ | alright =) |
| 22:24.18 | asuffield | vulture: ones where it works. it's a definition, not a conclusion |
| 22:24.26 | nostromo^ | asuffield, certain values that you get from sar are absolute.. like CPU usage.. either it's at capacity, or not.. |
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| 22:24.38 | asuffield | nostromo^: CPU usage measures *waste*, not capacity |
| 22:25.01 | nostromo^ | asuffield, of course, but eventually they give you an idea of how much your server is executing. |
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| 22:25.05 | asuffield | nostromo^: a box at less than 100% utilisation is wasting power. a box at 100% utilisation could be under anything from heavy load to no load |
| 22:25.19 | vulture | asuffield: that doesn't tell me anything about where one can logically apply two load average values on the same system. You just use pick and choose cases where the comparison works and doesn't? or is there some criteria? |
| 22:25.19 | covval | hi |
| 22:25.27 | asuffield | nostromo^: no, you really don't. in order to understand how well it is working you will have to test stuff on an application level |
| 22:25.31 | covval | i have a question |
| 22:25.43 | maurizio | nvz: i have the same soundcard as Megan^ and sound works. Could a list of the modules I use be useful? |
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| 22:26.12 | covval | did enyone try too install debian on harddrive connected by it8212 raid controller |
| 22:26.12 | asuffield | vulture: it works when nothing's changed that would throw it off. you can't really define that because the range is so huge, and it depends on what the box is doing anyway |
| 22:26.18 | linoleum | hello when I am under windows, I use winamp for all my multimediam files : video , audio , etc ... it roxx seriously , it has playlist, media list ... is there a something same under linux ?????? |
| 22:26.22 | vulture | peterS: you mean if the processes is waiting about the same length time, and your other metrics are within some small range, then changes in load averages are meaningful? |
| 22:26.27 | nostromo^ | asuffield, a box at 100% CPU utilization can be "unloaded"? |
| 22:26.34 | mwilson | Since when can winamp be said to "roxx"? |
| 22:26.35 | asuffield | nostromo^: yes |
| 22:26.41 | Megan^ | maurizio you haev a maestro3 aswell?! |
| 22:26.43 | vulture | nostromo^: it can be perfectly balanced |
| 22:26.48 | Flimzy | linoleum: xmms |
| 22:26.48 | mrwill | linoleum: xmms is one thing, there are lots of others, xine, etc. |
| 22:26.49 | Yildirim | can anyone help me? |
| 22:26.49 | skiter | hi... when I try up the module apm appears the erro: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 22:26.53 | asuffield | nostromo^: in the most common, uninteresting case, it's running the seti@home client |
| 22:26.53 | linoleum | mwilson: since the last version :) |
| 22:26.55 | Flimzy | linoleum: formerly "X11Amp" |
| 22:26.59 | vulture | nostromo^: it's just doing everything in perfect time, it doesn't have excess work to be catching up on |
| 22:27.04 | mwilson | linoleum: Oh, you mean since never, then. |
| 22:27.07 | Yildirim | i have high loadavarage, can anyone help me? |
| 22:27.13 | valdyn | nostromo^: 1 process running using 100%, no process waiting for execution : 0 load |
| 22:27.21 | Phated | mwilson: When "roxx" is the word used... Can you really trust the opinion, anyway. |
| 22:27.22 | Flimzy | linoleum: for video, try mplayer and/or xine |
| 22:27.25 | linoleum | mwilson: no seriously , you should try the last version , it's beter thant before |
| 22:27.27 | maurizio | Megan^: yes, in a laptop, but follow with nvz, he probably can help much more. |
| 22:27.29 | skiter | hi... when I try up the module apm appears the erro: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 22:27.29 | confrey | help me, please; I have sarge, and gnome-volume-manager doesn't work yet, it worked yesterday; after booting, I can't see cdrom0 dir in /media; I have to create it manually, but I haven't the mount of devices automatically |
| 22:27.32 | peterS | the maestro3 should use either the 'maestro3' module, or the alsa modules 'snd_maestro3' + 'snd_pcm_oss' |
| 22:27.34 | mrwill | Yildirim: is that a problem? |
| 22:27.45 | mwilson | linoleum: I have. There's no reason to bother with it. |
| 22:27.48 | asuffield | valdyn: might not be no load, depends whether that process is doing anything that qualifies as load (which would depend on what you want the box to do) |
| 22:27.55 | mrwill | Yildirim: what is load typically for you? |
| 22:27.58 | linoleum | mwilson: well, me I like it :) |
| 22:27.58 | cafuego | peterS: or snd-maestro3 without OSS emulation. |
| 22:28.05 | peterS | cafuego: or that |
| 22:28.13 | Megan^ | i have a laptop as well maurizio |
| 22:28.18 | Megan^ | a dell latitude c600 |
| 22:28.20 | Flimzy | linoleum: and BTW, I agree with mwilson that winamp kinda sucks |
| 22:28.24 | skiter | hi... when I try up the module apm appears the erro: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 22:28.24 | mwilson | Phated: Or someone who thinks emphasis means more punctuation characters. |
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| 22:28.39 | Phated | mwilson: Indeed. |
| 22:28.40 | BBearr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.41 | nostromo^ | valdyn, because no process is waiting for execution, and the definition of "load" is based on how how many processed are waiting, and how much they're waiting? |
| 22:28.51 | cafuego | Megan^: Yeah, it should work just fine on that; I service a c600 with Debian... never had any problems with it. |
| 22:28.51 | Flimzy | linoleum: But then almost everything in the world that anyone has ever refered to as "roxx"ing, I'm sure I would think sucks |
| 22:29.08 | asuffield | nostromo^: the definition of 'load' is defined by the sysadmin for each box |
| 22:29.11 | Megan^ | well cafuego... i hear static when i play mp3's |
| 22:29.22 | Flimzy | linoleum: Or should I say "sux"? |
| 22:29.25 | Yildirim | mrwill, i have high load avarage |
| 22:29.33 | cafuego | Megan^: Though the laptop speakers or external ones? |
| 22:29.37 | asuffield | nostromo^: it's approximately the useful work done, for whatever values the admin considers 'useful' |
| 22:29.39 | Yildirim | mrwill, load average: 0.25, 0.10, 0.48 |
| 22:29.39 | tazle | ah, it seems to break as soon as devfs is mounted |
| 22:29.50 | mrwill | Yildirim: that's not high. |
| 22:29.51 | linoleum | Flimzy: well, I like the media libraty of winamp : it tells you which song you play often or not ... it's cool |
| 22:29.54 | valdyn | asuffield: not me, loadavg. |
| 22:30.03 | linoleum | Flimzy: is there something equivalent under linux? |
| 22:30.12 | Yildirim | mrwill, it;s a webserver, i cant view my webpages:S |
| 22:30.15 | Phated | linoleum: Try xmms. |
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| 22:30.21 | asuffield | valdyn: well, this is an example of why loadavg doesn't measure load, but you said is backwards :P |
| 22:30.28 | valdyn | asuffield: agreed |
| 22:30.29 | linoleum | Flimzy: to have some statistic about what you lisen |
| 22:30.32 | Phated | 'course, I'm sure it won't roxx as much. |
| 22:30.36 | mrwill | Yildirim: well, the load average is not the problem. |
| 22:30.40 | grivell | linoleum: Juk, Rhythmbox, xmms, ... |
| 22:30.44 | Megan^ | laptop speaker cafuego |
| 22:30.45 | Flimzy | linoleum: I already answered your question. Did you ignore me? |
| 22:30.45 | valdyn | nostromo^: yea, thats how loadavg is calculated ( no. of proc waiting for exec ) |
| 22:30.46 | efault | Is it possible to install Sarge on a floppy drive? And it has a Network card, but it doesn't boot. |
| 22:30.51 | nostromo^ | asuffield, i see your point, but i think that's rather workstation-centric, because usually servers either execute what they're meant to execute, or are idle.. oracle servers, web servers. they don't do anything else, really. |
| 22:30.53 | asuffield | (in that scenario, you have load but no loadavg. it's far more normal to have loadavg but no load, though) |
| 22:30.59 | maurizio | cafuego: I don't know what Megan^ and you use, but I had to use apt-pinning to get some packages from unstable |
| 22:31.00 | cafuego | Megan^: Hmm... what are the volumes set to in the mixer? |
| 22:31.04 | mrwill | efault: maybe, but you'd probably be better off with some other solution. |
| 22:31.04 | linoleum | Flimzy: ok well tkx a lot master |
| 22:31.09 | Flimzy | linoleum: I don't need a computer to tell me what music I like |
| 22:31.18 | Yildirim | mrwill, what so you think? |
| 22:31.21 | cafuego | maurizio: Just sarge. |
| 22:31.33 | linoleum | Flimzy: I understand you are superior :) np , I am just humain me sorry mate ;p |
| 22:31.37 | grivell | Phated: R0XX. Make proper use of numkeys please. |
| 22:31.39 | mrwill | Yildirim: I do not know what is wrong because you tell me nothing. |
| 22:31.40 | Megan^ | cafuego im confused |
| 22:31.53 | Phated | grivell: I was quoting. /lastlog. |
| 22:31.53 | Megan^ | nevermind cafuego, i remember everything is middle or higher |
| 22:31.54 | asuffield | nostromo^: <shrug> your example was too. running something like apache will throw loadavg off just because it likes to use lots of processes |
| 22:31.58 | nvz | efault: no, it is not possible to install an OS on a floppy drive. they leave much to be desired as computing platforms.. like a cpu, proper human interface I/O devices |
| 22:32.09 | cafuego | Megan^: Which application are you using to play mp3s? |
| 22:32.15 | Yildirim | mrwill, i dont no anything by myself :) |
| 22:32.24 | grivell | Phated: I know, j/k |
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| 22:32.31 | Flimzy | linoleum: Did you ignore me when I answered you? |
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| 22:32.43 | maurizio | cafuego: with 2.4? |
| 22:32.45 | Flimzy | linoleum: did you ignore Phated when he did, as well? (with the same useful answer I provided) |
| 22:32.48 | nostromo^ | asuffield, agree, but CPU usage by sar , monitored for a while, WILL give you an idea when you need to scale the server. |
| 22:32.51 | peterS | nvz: now now, some floppy drives have CPUs |
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| 22:32.54 | mrwill | Yildirim: well, there's your problem. |
| 22:32.55 | Megan^ | ive tryed xmms, totem, and rythem box. all with the same results... static comes out of the speakers |
| 22:32.56 | Yildirim | mrwill, i think last apt-get update && upgrade has f*** it |
| 22:32.58 | Phated | Flimzy: She. |
| 22:33.05 | grivell | lol |
| 22:33.05 | nvz | peterS: nope, never seen one before |
| 22:33.06 | nostromo^ | asuffield, (cpu used as an example... depends on the kind of a web server) |
| 22:33.07 | asuffield | nostromo^: NO. that's the sort of stupidity that makes managers buy more hardware when they don't need it |
| 22:33.08 | covval | hey what option should i give in install setup to insert module in force mode ?? |
| 22:33.10 | mrwill | Yildirim: which version of debian? |
| 22:33.11 | Megan^ | and its not the speakers because they worked fine in windowsxp when it was installed on here |
| 22:33.20 | Yildirim | woody 3.0.1 |
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| 22:33.30 | Yildirim | r |
| 22:33.35 | asuffield | nostromo^: the only way to know when you need to upgrade a web server is to measure how it is performing at *serving web pages*. run ab or something. sar, loadavg, top, none of these will give the right answer |
| 22:33.37 | peterS | nvz: for example, a Mac Classic |
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| 22:33.47 | Flimzy | Phated: ack, sorry. |
| 22:33.49 | grivell | New irc standard. All females must put [she] in nick. |
| 22:33.49 | gothtec | Megan^: what's rythm box? sounds interesting... |
| 22:33.49 | peterS | nvz: that's a floppy drive with a 68020 or so CPU in it |
| 22:33.50 | cafuego | Megan^: Gotta be the drivers, then. Do you use alsa or oss? |
| 22:33.55 | Megan^ | lol gothtec |
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| 22:34.01 | Flimzy | Phated: We need a non-gender specific adjective to use on IRC :P |
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| 22:34.11 | Phated | Flimzy: "the dude". |
| 22:34.11 | cafuego | peterS: Oi! it's also a scsi controller! ;-) |
| 22:34.13 | nevyn | it |
| 22:34.13 | grivell | Flimzy: it |
| 22:34.25 | Megan^ | well im trying to rmmod the snd_*'s that alsa installed, then im going to try oss if somone will help me install it |
| 22:34.30 | peterS | cafuego: oh, right. a floppy drive with a scsi controller. and a small monochrome CRT. |
| 22:34.35 | Phated | Flimzy: Or rephrase. "did you also ignore Phated's answer?" |
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| 22:34.41 | nevyn | Flimzy: j00 ? |
| 22:34.41 | strubbel | i need some extra module from the kernel...compiling right now...don't want to restart...is it harmful to extract that module from the kernel-image package move it to /lib/modules/[whatever] and do a depmod? |
| 22:34.43 | Rawplayer | hi |
| 22:34.43 | Flimzy | nvz: The C-64's 1540 floppy drive had more CPU power than the computer itself |
| 22:34.45 | cafuego | peterS: *nod* Mine works great. Runs MS Word v4.0 |
| 22:34.47 | alejandro_ | I get this everytime i do ifup -a "Sit: unknown hardware address type 776" any idea what that might be? |
| 22:34.58 | Flimzy | Phated: "the dude" could be considered male-slanted |
| 22:35.05 | nostromo^ | asuffield, argh.. :) but WHY??? lets say you have static pages, and you know that the main "bottleneck" of the system is disk io. so if you measure disk io and see that it's "high", can't you assume that you need another server?? |
| 22:35.05 | nvz | Flimzy: heh, interesting. I owned Apple II's not Commodores |
| 22:35.10 | linoleum | Flimzy: no of course I didn't ignore you , why would I do that ?? |
| 22:35.13 | Yildirim | mrwill, i;m looking on top because there is nothing fault :S |
| 22:35.15 | cafuego | Megan^: *alsa* is generating the static? That's weird! I would have though it should work better then the OSS driver. |
| 22:35.23 | Phated | Flimzy: It's become neutral, thanks to SoCal. Also, you're not looking for an adjective, you're looking for a pronoun. |
| 22:35.24 | Flimzy | grivell: I dunno... if I was a chick, I'd rather be accidentally called "he" than "it" |
| 22:35.24 | Flimzy | Phated: that could work |
| 22:35.24 | peterS | Flimzy: oh, it's ok, Phated likes being called a dude |
| 22:35.35 | Phated | s/likes/tolerates/ :) |
| 22:35.35 | asuffield | Phated: this would be much easier if you could just be a guy |
| 22:35.36 | TheBlueWizard | Flimzy: not true...the 1541 drive has 6502 CPU, which is practically the same as C-64's 6510 |
| 22:35.39 | peterS | Phated: heh |
| 22:35.39 | tazle | aegh, of course it didn't work, I was trying to use initrd for 2.4 with my 2.6 kernel |
| 22:35.53 | nvz | Phated: dude! |
| 22:35.53 | mrwill | Yildirim: just tell me woody or sarge. answer my question. |
| 22:35.53 | Phated | asuffield: I'd miss out on all the fanboidom, wouldn't I. |
| 22:35.54 | Megan^ | cafuego... i just installed alsa to see if it would work helping the static and and it didnt so now i need to install OSS... how do i do that |
| 22:35.57 | marius_ | hello, i am trying to use my cdrom drive on my laptop but its not appearing in /dev, but i see hdb detected at boot up. any advice? |
| 22:36.00 | Phated | nvz: Duuuude. |
| 22:36.00 | Yildirim | woody.. |
| 22:36.06 | Yildirim | mrwill, woody |
| 22:36.13 | asuffield | [Prinny, dude!] |
| 22:36.20 | Phated | Dude! |
| 22:36.21 | asuffield | Phated: that can only be a good thing |
| 22:36.23 | mrwill | Yildirim: ok, I doubt apt-get updating messed anything up. |
| 22:36.28 | doub | nostromo^: this is quite like jumping to the conclusion. that's supposing a new server would do better |
| 22:36.32 | Flimzy | Phated: I don't live in SoCal... where I live, dude is still considered male... (most of the time) |
| 22:36.34 | Phated | asuffield: It's fun winding them up. :) |
| 22:36.45 | nostromo^ | well asuffield? |
| 22:36.49 | cafuego | Megan^: Run 'lsmod' to see which snd-* moduels are loaded. Remove them with 'rmmod'. Then load the maestro3 module. |
| 22:36.52 | Phated | Flimzy: You use "hey, guys" in a mixed group, don't you. Same concept. |
| 22:36.57 | Yildirim | mrwill, it will use the network port.. like a ddos |
| 22:36.58 | Flimzy | TheBlueWizard: C-64's also had 6502's... early ones did. 6510 was just a bugfix anyway. |
| 22:37.02 | nostromo^ | doub: the server is doing great. it's just at capacity, so you add another exactly like ti. |
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| 22:37.07 | Joe7dice | hi |
| 22:37.12 | Phated | Be that as it may... Off to bed. Good night. |
| 22:37.16 | nvz | cafuego: heh, thats what I told her like 20 minutes ago |
| 22:37.19 | Yildirim | mrwill, because it isnt a ddos attack |
| 22:37.23 | Megan^ | right now i have no snd-* modules loaded cafuego |
| 22:37.36 | mrwill | Yildirim: what the hell are you talking about? are you eight years old or something? |
| 22:37.39 | TheBlueWizard | Flimzy: again, not true....C-64 always has 6510 cuz of the need for I/O ports to switch banks |
| 22:37.41 | Joe7dice | is there any package for system resource usage statistics (noX)? |
| 22:37.43 | asuffield | nostromo^: yes, by mapping real benchmarks to artificial ones, you can construct small-scale relationships between them - like "For this server, doing precisely this stuff, when disk load reaches this value, is overloaded" |
| 22:37.59 | asuffield | nostromo^: but it's very rarely worthwhile, since you have to do it over every time you change something significant |
| 22:38.00 | Flimzy | Phated: I don't. Some ppl do. |
| 22:38.08 | TheBlueWizard | Flimzy: and 6510 is NOT A BUGFIX |
| 22:38.15 | Yildirim | mrwill, there is a fault on the server.. it blocks all incomming and outgoing connections |
| 22:38.18 | asuffield | nostromo^: and since you have to do it by measuring a real benchmark anyway, you might as well just measure that |
| 22:38.24 | cafuego | Megan^: ok, then 'modprobe maestro3' should load the OSS module. |
| 22:38.26 | Phated | Flimzy: Pah, you use "ppl", all linguistic discussions shall now cease. |
| 22:38.31 | mrwill | Yildirim: how do you know this? |
| 22:38.31 | Flimzy | Phated: I've trained myself to say "folks" to a mixed group. |
| 22:38.31 | Flimzy | Phated: But then I'm hyper-sensative to that sorta thing, working as a waiter... |
| 22:38.32 | Yildirim | mrwill, (webbased connections) |
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| 22:38.45 | Yildirim | i have an traffic analyse |
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| 22:38.48 | Phated | Flimzy: Ah. |
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| 22:38.50 | Flimzy | Phated: I hate to piss off some super-sensative femanist type and not get a tip :p |
| 22:38.51 | Phated | Flimzy: Fair enough. |
| 22:38.52 | nostromo^ | asuffield, what do you mean "Artificial"? iostat gives just that. what's "artificial" about it? |
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| 22:38.56 | nvz | old hw geekises |
| 22:39.02 | Megan^ | it returned with "FATAL: Module off not found" cafuego |
| 22:39.03 | Phated | Flimzy: True. |
| 22:39.11 | asuffield | nostromo^: an artificial benchmark is a measurement of anything other than the job the box is supposed to be doing |
| 22:39.19 | mrwill | Yildirim: are you sure this is a network level problem? are apache processes even running? |
| 22:39.33 | Flimzy | TheBlueWizard: Okay. Mabe you're right, and everything else I've ever read was wrong. I don't care. I dont' ue a C-64 any more. |
| 22:39.38 | Yildirim | yes apache is running |
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| 22:39.49 | cafuego | Megan^: Ah. 'cd /etc/modutils' 'grep maestro3 *' remove the 'alias maestro3 off' line. |
| 22:39.56 | skiter | hi... when I try up the module apm appears the error: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 22:39.58 | asuffield | artificial benchmarks may or may not relate to real-world benchmarks, but the only way to find out, and to define a relation, is to measure them a lot - and they aren't valid when circumstances change |
| 22:40.10 | TheBlueWizard | Flimzy: you can learn a bit more via Google....or Wikipedia (it has a good writeup on C-64) |
| 22:40.17 | nostromo^ | asuffield, so you're saying if it's an oracle server, you should decide what's an acceptable query response time beforehand, and start flooding the system with requests, to see how much it can take before it goes over your decided "good" response time? |
| 22:40.42 | asuffield | nostromo^: well, you could do. or you could just measure the actual query response time of the box while it's running, either works |
| 22:40.48 | Phated | Pfft. When the clients start complaining, it's over the "good" time. |
| 22:40.51 | asuffield | nostromo^: the latter is usually vastly easier |
| 22:41.04 | asuffield | yeah, that's the easiest approach |
| 22:41.05 | Megan^ | um cafuego, i did cd /etc/modutils, then i did grep maestro3.... now its just hanging |
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| 22:41.23 | Yildirim | mrwill, i have stopped apache now.. loadavarage is going down.. i think there is a problem with apache :? |
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| 22:41.40 | doub | Phated: what if you can |
| 22:41.43 | cafuego | Megan^: Did you forget the * ? |
| 22:41.48 | Megan^ | yea lol |
| 22:41.49 | mrwill | Yildirim: would you get off the load average trip? the load averages you showed me were not unusual, or high. |
| 22:41.52 | doub | Phated: ... can't do any way around ? |
| 22:41.53 | nostromo^ | asuffield, ok, noted. i'll ponder further :) thanks, this was interesting. |
| 22:41.53 | cafuego | Megan^: ctrl-c |
| 22:41.56 | scarynetworkguy | No when the clients start complaining it's time to get out the larts. |
| 22:42.01 | Flimzy | TheBlueWizard: I'm sure I could... but as I said, I really don't care any more. Last time I really cared woulda been in probably 1993, when I last did any ASM programming on my C-64. |
| 22:42.04 | mrwill | Yildirim: I think you have misconfigured apache. |
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| 22:42.14 | mrwill | Yildirim: have you edited /etc/httpd.conf? |
| 22:42.15 | nevyn | Flimzy: why did you stop? |
| 22:42.42 | Phated | doub: What? |
| 22:42.45 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: or you could charge them a call-out fee, go in, and unplug the traffic generator that you left in the cupboard last time |
| 22:42.52 | Megan^ | alright cafuego now ive got something |
| 22:42.52 | nevyn | Flimzy: "The final ethernet" is the most expensive nic in our house. it connects to the cartridge port. |
| 22:43.07 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: More fun to beat them to death. |
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| 22:43.14 | Yildirim | mrwill, i havend |
| 22:43.18 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: not as profitable |
| 22:43.36 | doub | Phated: what if a client complains, but you already are as fast as you can? |
| 22:43.37 | clojster | do I have to defragment disk with reiserFS? |
| 22:43.38 | Flimzy | nevyn: something about bigger and better things |
| 22:43.38 | bratner | what tool should i use to determine the properties of a quicktime movie? |
| 22:43.41 | p2-mate | nevyn: final ethernet ? It concentrates all ethernet traffic in the house ? :) |
| 22:43.48 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Bah. That kind of fun is better than money. |
| 22:43.52 | nevyn | Flimzy: it plugs into the c64 cartridge port |
| 22:43.52 | cafuego | Megan^: Cool. run 'update-modules' and then modpobe maestro3 again. |
| 22:43.53 | scarynetworkguy | doub: Then you kill the client. |
| 22:43.57 | clojster | whats the best soft? |
| 22:44.01 | clojster | to defrag |
| 22:44.02 | nevyn | Flimzy: and allows loading programs over http and stuff. |
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| 22:44.06 | nostromo^ | asuffield, so lets say you measure, and see the response time is unacceptable. what do you do now? buy another server? put another CPU in? maybe it's a memory issue? how do you decide what you should upgrade? usually in systems it's a bottleneck. how do you detect it? |
| 22:44.09 | Phated | What scarynetworkguy said. |
| 22:44.10 | doub | Phated: i mean, the client doesn't really know what you're doing, so how can he say if you did a good job or not ? |
| 22:44.13 | Flimzy | nevyn: I'd be happy to sell you a more expensive NIC... I have a 10/100 ISA card you can have for only $350 :P |
| 22:44.14 | Megan^ | cafuego. what i got when i put that in was: alsa-base: post-install snd-maestro3 /usr/lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-maestro3 (next line) also-base: alias maestro3 off |
| 22:44.24 | doub | scarynetworkguy: that's a good idea, but you need the money first |
| 22:44.26 | scarynetworkguy | doub: Once they are dead they can't. |
| 22:44.36 | scarynetworkguy | doub: Bah. |
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| 22:44.45 | cafuego | nostromo^: the problem is invariably I/O so you buy a hardware raid5 card ;-) |
| 22:44.51 | asuffield | nostromo^: *this* is what top, vmstat, sar, etc, are useful for. they can't tell you whether you have a problem, but when you have one, they can be useful to figure out what it is |
| 22:44.51 | scarynetworkguy | If they are that whiney they can keep their money. |
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| 22:44.54 | Donpericles | hola alguien me puede ayudarĄ |
| 22:45.10 | cafuego | Megan^: Ah ok. Comment out all those lines. |
| 22:45.15 | nostromo^ | asuffield, gotchya. |
| 22:45.15 | nevyn | Flimzy: why did you stop writing c64 code? |
| 22:45.17 | cafuego | !realspanish Donpericles |
| 22:45.17 | nvz | Donpericles: si, en #debian-es. |
| 22:45.18 | dpkg | Donpericles: está usted oculto así como retardado? |
| 22:45.19 | alejandro_ | Donpericles, anda a debian-es |
| 22:45.21 | Tuttle | hi people, i was happily using logcheck on woody. now on sarge i cannot find this pkg in the cache nor the mention on the web/groups. packages.debian.org is offline now. does anyone have a clue where it gone and what is the best to use instead? |
| 22:45.25 | Megan^ | i dont know what you mean cafuego |
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| 22:45.38 | asuffield | (loadavg itself isn't actually useful for this one; vmstat has the same data in a useful form here) |
| 22:45.38 | efault | What are good console games for Linux? |
| 22:45.45 | hazzern | whats the widely available ftp client console program ? |
| 22:45.45 | Flimzy | nevyn: that would be cool if I ever had a need to load a C-64 program on actual C-64 hardware |
| 22:45.47 | cafuego | Megan^: Edit /etc/modutils/alsa-base and pop '#' at the start of each line. |
| 22:45.52 | mrwill | efault: console games? huh? |
| 22:45.58 | chops | efault: dselect |
| 22:46.01 | alejandro_ | "are you hide as you are retard"??? that doesnt have a sense :S |
| 22:46.03 | nostromo^ | cafuego, when you have servers connected to a 2GB FC fabric, io is NOT always the problem. |
| 22:46.05 | Donpericles | graCIAS |
| 22:46.06 | Tuttle | hazzern: mc, for example |
| 22:46.09 | mrwill | efault: you mean like, text-mode? nethack is one. |
| 22:46.11 | nevyn | Flimzy: actual hardware rocks. |
| 22:46.17 | hazzern | thanks Tuttle |
| 22:46.17 | efault | mrwill: yep |
| 22:46.18 | hazzern | :) |
| 22:46.26 | Tuttle | hazzern: or nsftp |
| 22:46.29 | Tuttle | hazzern: or ncftp |
| 22:46.31 | cafuego | nostromo^: Depends which bastard is hosting the bt server on it... |
| 22:46.43 | hazzern | have u used Avfs ? |
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| 22:46.48 | nostromo^ | heheh |
| 22:46.52 | Megan^ | it says edit comand not found =| |
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| 22:47.11 | cafuego | Megan^: yeah. 'edit' is a dos command. Try 'nano' instead. |
| 22:47.16 | Megan^ | nevermind cafuego i did nano |
| 22:47.25 | Tuttle | hey guys, what are you using for automatic log auditing now when you don't have logcheck? |
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| 22:47.36 | Flimzy | nevyn: b/c I put the C-64 in the closet |
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| 22:47.53 | Megan^ | which part do you want me to put # infront of cafuego? |
| 22:47.54 | hazzern | what about the most widely available GUI ftp program ? |
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| 22:48.13 | Cabbage | Megan^> If you use the command "sensible-editor" it will pick one for you. |
| 22:48.15 | cafuego | Megan^: The lot. |
| 22:48.22 | Megan^ | everything!? |
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| 22:48.31 | cafuego | Megan^: Yep, just comment it all out. |
| 22:48.35 | Megan^ | why? |
| 22:48.37 | Flimzy | efault: ttyquake :) |
| 22:48.38 | Tuttle | hazzern: for Windows it's surely Total Commander :-) in Linux i don't use any GUI ftp program instead fo Firefox for peeking |
| 22:48.50 | cafuego | Megan^: We don't want it interfering with modprobe. |
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| 22:49.18 | cafuego | Megan^: At a *minimum* you want to put it in front of 'alias maestro3 off' |
| 22:50.16 | Flimzy | hazzern: they're all equally available in Debian |
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| 22:50.52 | Megan^ | cafuego: ok i comented out alias maestro3 off... |
| 22:51.18 | cafuego | Megan^: Good, now run 'update-modules'. |
| 22:51.35 | Megan^ | alright |
| 22:51.38 | Megan^ | got it |
| 22:51.46 | cafuego | Megan^: And then 'modprobe maestro3' |
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| 22:52.07 | Megan^ | FATAL: module off not found... |
| 22:52.13 | cafuego | !$#^%!^$^#$!^% |
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| 22:53.03 | Megan^ | cafuego: FATAL: module off not found... |
| 22:53.26 | cafuego | Megan^: insmod /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/oss/maestro3.ko |
| 22:53.53 | cafuego | If it won't work the easy way, we do it the hard way. |
| 22:53.55 | mrwill | using 'insmod' on 2.6, eh? |
| 22:54.09 | nvz | heh |
| 22:54.20 | Covener | mrwill: is there something wrong with that? |
| 22:54.24 | cafuego | mrwill: Don't make me design a 'dd of=/proc/kcore' command ;-) |
| 22:54.26 | Megan^ | "insmod error inserting <file name> -1 files exists" |
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| 22:54.57 | mrwill | cafuego: I'd like to see that, I'd be impressed if it worked. |
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| 22:55.03 | cafuego | Megan^: Install 'rcconf' and temporarily disable the alsa startup stuff. |
| 22:55.30 | cafuego | mrwill: Sometimes you can even make an Ayiee instead of an Oops |
| 22:55.36 | Megan^ | done |
| 22:55.48 | cafuego | Megan^: Check /etc/modules for any snd-* references. |
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| 22:56.05 | cafuego | Megan^: .. and comment them out if they're in there. |
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| 22:56.30 | snype | hello |
| 22:56.35 | clojster | Whats good tool for defragmenting files on reiserFS disk? |
| 22:56.36 | nvz | nothing makes a 3 hour long sound problem easier to deal with than some plush microbes |
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| 22:56.45 | Megan^ | the only thing in there is ide-cd and ide-generic cafuego |
| 22:56.50 | mrwill | clojster: you don't need to defragment reiserfs disks. |
| 22:56.56 | cafuego | clojster: 'mkfs.ext3' but you may want to backup ALL files first. |
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| 22:57.08 | cafuego | Megan^: Okay |
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| 22:57.11 | snype | do you have to defragment ext3? |
| 22:57.17 | Covener | mrwill: That factoid is bunk |
| 22:57.19 | cafuego | snype: Not normally. |
| 22:57.26 | snype | cafuego thanks! |
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| 22:57.38 | clojster | mrwill: how is it possible that files aren't fragmented? |
| 22:57.41 | snype | yeah i've been having trouble recompiling my kernel :( |
| 22:57.42 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Heh. |
| 22:57.45 | cafuego | clojster: DISCLAIMER: don't do what I said. |
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| 22:57.48 | mrwill | Covener: well, it's not like it won't work, sometimes, but if you are going to learn one command, it should be modprobe. |
| 22:57.52 | snype | do i neeeeed to have a ramdisk? |
| 22:57.57 | asuffield | with reiser, it's anybody's guess |
| 22:57.57 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know how to get firestarter to always start up during bootup |
| 22:57.57 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Do you have any? |
| 22:57.58 | mrwill | clojster: filesystem design? |
| 22:58.05 | clojster | cafuego: don't worry... :) |
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| 22:58.06 | snype | is an initrd.img nessecary? |
| 22:58.13 | cafuego | clojster: If a FS is designed properly it won't fragment as fast as say NTFS or FAT32. |
| 22:58.22 | mrwill | snype: neither are absolute requirements, but I'd recommend the initrd. |
| 22:58.37 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: nope... |
| 22:58.38 | snype | i made an initrd but when loading it said it was too big |
| 22:58.49 | cafuego | Megan^: Okay, that should ensure no alsa stuff is loaded at bootup. Time for a reboot (though it pains me) |
| 22:58.51 | mrwill | snype: sounds like you are building a kernel. maybe you should stop. |
| 22:58.53 | snype | something like 4296/4096 how do i make it smaller? |
| 22:59.01 | Megan^ | whats the matter cafuego |
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| 22:59.17 | cafuego | Megan^: Rebooting to fix issues makes me think of windows. |
| 22:59.19 | snype | what do you mean |
| 22:59.27 | mrwill | snype: what is wrong with the packaged kernels? |
| 22:59.28 | Megan^ | lol cafuego |
| 22:59.35 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: The common cold one is *nice*. |
| 22:59.37 | scarynetworkguy | Only one I' |
| 22:59.43 | scarynetworkguy | ve seen. |
| 22:59.50 | Megan^ | i still have snd-* things when i hit lsmod, good or bad thing cafuego |
| 22:59.54 | snype | i want to take out a lot of stuff i dont use, packaged kernels are slow, and i need to incorporate my wifi drivers |
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| 23:00.09 | cafuego | Megan^: bad. They all need to go. |
| 23:00.11 | mrwill | snype: slow, eh? you must really know what you are talking about. |
| 23:00.17 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: yeah well I got plenty of those.. only mine are life-size and multiplying in my body |
| 23:00.32 | cafuego | Megan^: They will interfere with and prevent maestro3 from loading. |
| 23:00.35 | snype | plus im gonna at some point have to do this again cause i have to do some work w/ the kernel for speedstepping |
| 23:00.42 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Heh. |
| 23:01.07 | cafuego | snype: You can do all that with a prepackages kernel for your cpu type, which is *equally* fast as your custom built one. |
| 23:01.09 | mrwill | snype: seriously, all you need to do is build the kernel modules for your wifi drivers. |
| 23:01.43 | snype | hmm alright. well i would still like to get this one working |
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| 23:01.58 | mrwill | snype: not going to help with that. |
| 23:02.03 | nvz | last night was bad.. I had this thing going on where I was coughing real hard and sneezing at the same time |
| 23:02.04 | snype | alright |
| 23:02.13 | snype | well how would i disable stuff in a prepackaged one? |
| 23:02.44 | cafuego | snype: You just don't load the modules. moot point. |
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| 23:03.06 | cafuego | snype: That *really* doesn't affect the speed it runs at. |
| 23:03.14 | Megan^ | well confuego... im mildly confused... i deleted them before, why are they back |
| 23:03.21 | snype | alright |
| 23:03.29 | nvz | selling those new vw beetles with solid paintjobs is just wrong |
| 23:03.33 | nvz | they look terrible |
| 23:03.46 | nvz | at least with a good paint job they look alright |
| 23:03.57 | snype | i noticed in apt that my header files arent available for the kernel i'm using-- the standard 2.6.8-1-386 shipped w/ sarge |
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| 23:04.38 | nvz | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 23:04.48 | scarynetworkguy | !tell snype about real kernel |
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| 23:05.08 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know how to get firestarter to always start up during bootup |
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| 23:05.33 | nvz | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 23:05.36 | Megan^ | confuego, i removed them with rmmod <snd_*> |
| 23:05.37 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2: (Header files related to Linux kernel version 2.6.8), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-13 (sid), Packaged size: 2712 kB, Installed size: 23348 kB |
| 23:05.43 | nvz | snype: whats that ^ |
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| 23:06.07 | snype | mine is kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 though isnt it? |
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| 23:06.32 | nvz | snype: no idea, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:06.33 | Megan^ | confuego, i removed them with rmmod <snd_*>, now reboot? or...? |
| 23:07.21 | noobdebianinstal | how do i change my monitor resolutions from the command line if xwindows wont load? |
| 23:07.34 | cafuego | Megan^: Are they all gone? |
| 23:07.38 | nvz | ... and n's |
| 23:07.44 | Megan^ | everything that says snd-* yes |
| 23:07.57 | mrwill | noobdebianinstal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:08.51 | noobdebianinstal | thanks mr. will |
| 23:08.56 | mrwill | SDFH_Linux: make a symlink from the script in /etc/init.d/ to the appropriate runlevel (in /etc/rc#.d) |
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| 23:09.13 | mrwill | SDFH_Linux: you probably want runlevel 2 |
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| 23:09.16 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 23:09.18 | SDFH_Linux | thanks |
| 23:09.29 | tazle | I want to kill someone, now |
| 23:09.36 | mrwill | !kill me |
| 23:09.46 | tazle | why must the debian installer svn be down NOW? |
| 23:09.57 | SDFH_Linux | any word when sarge final be out? |
| 23:10.03 | mrwill | tazle: because the debian project is a bunch of lazy moochers. |
| 23:10.11 | mrwill | SDFH_Linux: nobody knows. |
| 23:10.29 | SDFH_Linux | how about x64 debian? |
| 23:10.31 | DerJamster | When Hurd is finished. |
| 23:11.00 | Flimzy | SDFH_Linux: When it's done |
| 23:11.37 | nevyn | heh |
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| 23:11.37 | nevyn | mrwill: now go gorge yourself you... moochers </TALLEST> |
| 23:11.37 | SDFH_Linux | i wonder if i should just wait for the dual core cpus to upgrade again |
| 23:11.37 | BBearr | Hello |
| 23:11.45 | Flimzy | SDFH_Linux: When it's done |
| 23:11.49 | mrwill | BBearr: welcome back |
| 23:12.07 | cafuego | Megan^: Okay, try 'modprobe maestro3' again. |
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| 23:12.10 | Flimzy | SDFH_Linux: The answer to "When will ___ be ready?" is always "When it's done" in the world of Debian. |
| 23:12.13 | BBearr | Can someone tell me how to copy a file from my cdrom to a directory on the hard drive? |
| 23:12.22 | mrwill | BBearr: cp |
| 23:12.34 | Flimzy | BBearr: man cp |
| 23:12.36 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
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| 23:12.39 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 23:12.41 | mwilson | SDFH_Linux: If you think it should be done faster, why aren't you in there helping? |
| 23:12.44 | chops | BBearr: mount /cdrom; cp /cdrom/file /target; umount /cdrom |
| 23:12.46 | snype | yes! |
| 23:12.50 | snype | it workkred |
| 23:12.55 | Megan^ | modprobe: command not found.... |
| 23:12.57 | Megan^ | =( |
| 23:13.07 | cafuego | Megan^: as root |
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| 23:13.14 | BBearr | Thanks |
| 23:13.18 | BBearr | brb |
| 23:13.22 | Sirex2 | im having a nightmare getting dhcp working on my debian box. ive done the 2 lines in "etc/network/interfaces", but it dosnt work |
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| 23:13.42 | nvz | Sirex2: oh boy |
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| 23:13.51 | nvz | I can't wait to guess what your problem is ;) |
| 23:13.53 | mrwill | mwilson: you know, I don't think that is really a fair question. at this late stage, how could a new person help?? it would take them a long time just to integrate with the others in the project. |
| 23:14.27 | Sirex2 | the dhcp server i expect is a windows box (i dont know, i dont own it) but dhcpcd works under gentoo |
| 23:14.27 | nvz | Sirex2: how about you be a bit more specific than doesn't work. |
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| 23:14.27 | Craigwd_2000 | Is there somewhere on the Debian site a hardware compatibility list? |
| 23:14.27 | Sirex2 | nvz, im typing...... |
| 23:14.32 | mrwill | Craigwd_2000: think so. generally, if it works under linux, it works under debian. |
| 23:14.39 | Megan^ | fatal: module off not found cafuego |
| 23:14.54 | chop1 | (Ugh, gaim upgrade) |
| 23:14.59 | SDFH_Linux | is it me or is kde slower than gnome |
| 23:15.01 | Craigwd_2000 | I need help because there's a cardbus device I need more driver info on... |
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| 23:15.12 | mrwill | Craigwd_2000: have you tried googling for it? |
| 23:15.25 | Craigwd_2000 | Not yet, maybe I will... |
| 23:15.37 | SDFH_Linux | on debian i mean |
| 23:15.42 | Sirex2 | nvz, i know its vaugue, thats half the trouble im having in sorting it out. just apparently dosnt talk to the dhcp server, the card and all is fine, if i statically set the ip and gateways it works |
| 23:15.50 | noobdebianinstal | ok, that didnt work...it said that xserver wasnt installed?? |
| 23:15.58 | SDFH_Linux | hey if i do not want to do a netinstall of debian how many cds do i need to dl not all 7 right? |
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| 23:16.07 | Craigwd_2000 | What's with Google, doesn't anyone around here use metasearch engines? |
| 23:16.24 | mrwill | noobdebianinstal: maybe it's dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver, other way round. |
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| 23:16.33 | nvz | Sirex2: well what are you trying ifup, or are you running a dhcpclient directly? and what specifically does it say? |
| 23:16.44 | mrwill | Craigwd_2000: like what? |
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| 23:17.18 | SDFH_Linux | mwilson i do not think it should be done faster i just curious when it suppose to be out |
| 23:17.18 | Craigwd_2000 | Alltheweb or Ixquick for instance... |
| 23:17.19 | Sirex2 | im trying it directly, in the interfaces file i put it as auto, but it dosnt bring it up after boot. |
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| 23:17.23 | SDFH_Linux | if i could help i would |
| 23:17.34 | mrwill | noobdebianinstal: no, it isn't. you need to install xfree86 if you haven't already. |
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| 23:17.47 | nvz | Sirex2: do you have a driver for your NIC loading at boot? |
| 23:17.58 | Sirex2 | theres no error messages that i can find. -- once dhcpcd returned with no message at all, but the if was still down |
| 23:18.00 | Megan^ | fatal: module off not found cafuego |
| 23:18.02 | Sirex2 | yeah its compiled in |
| 23:18.10 | Craigwd_2000 | I thought the default install included XFree86... |
| 23:18.22 | nvz | Sirex2: so you built your own kernel? :) I think I am getting somewhere |
| 23:18.23 | noobdebianinstal | thats what i thought too craig...hmmm |
| 23:18.46 | Sirex2 | yeah , im under the impression for dhcp you need socket filtering. |
| 23:18.49 | Sirex2 | its 2.6.10 btw |
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| 23:18.53 | nvz | Sirex2: you realize there are kernel networking prequisates you must have build in |
| 23:18.57 | Craigwd_2000 | Which version you using? |
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| 23:19.39 | Sirex2 | nvz yes, i thought i had them all tho. my gentoo box runs dhcp fine (this is it now) -- but im sure the 2 kernel builds are identical in respect to networking |
| 23:19.45 | nvz | Sirex2: you need CONFIG_PACKET and CONFIG_FILTER |
| 23:19.50 | Craigwd_2000 | Of Debian? |
| 23:19.55 | Sirex2 | ill check |
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| 23:20.39 | Craigwd_2000 | I recommend Sarge net install for most people... |
| 23:20.55 | Rangitoto | I downloaded the sarge installer and put it onto a CD. My attempts to find out what to do next have, so far been unsuccessful. Unfortunately, some of the links to documentation on the debian site haven't been working during the past few days. |
| 23:21.18 | Sirex2 | aha. might be missing the CONFIG_FILTER. where is that located in the 2.6 kernels ? under networking options ? |
| 23:21.24 | Craigwd_2000 | Though I immediately add build-essential since I think every Linux should have that... |
| 23:21.28 | SDFH_Linux | how many cds if you have no access to the net |
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| 23:21.32 | SDFH_Linux | for debian sarge |
| 23:21.35 | SDFH_Linux | that you need |
| 23:21.54 | Craigwd_2000 | Not sure, more than Woodie's eight though... |
| 23:22.13 | Craigwd_2000 | Oops, meant Woody's... |
| 23:22.18 | doub | SDFH_Linux: it all depends on what you want |
| 23:22.20 | nvz | Sirex2: hint grep CONFIG_FILTER /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 23:22.27 | nvz | Sirex2: gnu tools are your friend |
| 23:22.45 | mrwill | Rangitoto: here's a hint, you boot from the cd and install. |
| 23:22.49 | Craigwd_2000 | How many CDs should most people get and which ones? |
| 23:23.05 | mrwill | Craigwd_2000: only one, the first. |
| 23:23.06 | SDFH_Linux | just the os and the gui's |
| 23:23.12 | SDFH_Linux | i guess would be a good start |
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| 23:23.35 | Craigwd_2000 | Then why does Sarge have so many? |
| 23:23.54 | doub | SDFH_Linux: i've been told that these are on the first cd, so you would need just this one |
| 23:23.54 | noobdebianinstal | ok, so typing --configure xfree-xserver don't werk. says neither xfree or xserver is not installed... |
| 23:24.07 | noobdebianinstal | (trying to running kde) |
| 23:24.32 | Rangitoto | I tried, unsuccessfully, to boot from the CD. All I wrote to the CD was the iso file. I was wondering if I needed to do something else in order to make the CD bootable. |
| 23:24.33 | doub | SDFH_Linux: but you'll end up with a nice gui, and nothing more |
| 23:24.36 | BBearr | chops - Thanks, worked like a charm. |
| 23:24.51 | Sirex2 | erm, CONFIG_FILTER isnt found at all in my .config file ;-/ |
| 23:24.56 | SDFH_Linux | so i guess first one and second one then? |
| 23:24.58 | strubbel | when starting diald i get "modprobe: Can't locate module tap0" can anyone help me out? |
| 23:25.21 | Craigwd_2000 | How about using dselect or Synaptic or Aptitude to install XFree86? |
| 23:25.25 | doub | SDFH_Linux: last time i used cds to install, the most useful tools were on the 3 first cds. but this goes back to potato |
| 23:25.26 | strubbel | and tap1, tap2, tap3 ... |
| 23:25.27 | nvz | Sirex2: well it may have changed in 2.6 *shrug* |
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| 23:25.33 | orfeu | if i install qt-doc with apt-get where it is on my computer !!! i whant to know the path to that documentation ! |
| 23:25.33 | orfeu | ? |
| 23:25.34 | concu | hey people |
| 23:25.38 | concu | help please |
| 23:25.40 | concu | checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... |
| 23:25.40 | concu | *** 'pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0' returned 2.6.1, but GTK+ (2.4.14) |
| 23:25.41 | concu | *** was found! |
| 23:25.44 | Megan^ | fatal: module off not found cafuego |
| 23:25.46 | concu | i got gtk error |
| 23:25.53 | drac | Craigwd_2000: apt-get install x-window-system installs X |
| 23:25.54 | nvz | Sirex2: point is if you compiled your own kernel you should not rule this out. Try asking a question along those lines, I am sure someone here knows more about 2.6 |
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| 23:25.58 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 23:26.07 | Sirex2 | yeah ok. |
| 23:26.19 | Craigwd_2000 | Fine, didn't know what package name was... |
| 23:26.23 | orfeu | if i install qt-doc with apt-get where it is on my computer !!! i whant to know the path to that documentation !? |
| 23:26.25 | orfeu | help pls |
| 23:26.35 | cafuego | Megan^: Remove the line 'alias maestro3 off' from /etc/modules.conf |
| 23:26.35 | Covener | orfeu: dpkg -L qt-doc |
| 23:30.01 | concu | can someone help me wif that |
| 23:30.01 | orfeu | Covener thanks |
| 23:30.02 | Megan^ | lol alright cafuego |
| 23:30.02 | Craigwd_2000 | Can you query dpkg and ask it where it put qt-doc somehow? |
| 23:30.02 | thomas_adam | Craigwd_2000: dpkg -S |
| 23:30.02 | Megan^ | um cafuego? |
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| 23:30.03 | Megan^ | it says dont modify this file... |
| 23:30.03 | thomas_adam | Craigwd_2000: Of if it is a package: dpkg -L |
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| 23:30.03 | thomas_adam | Craigwd_2000: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:30.05 | Little_Dump | 2 questions: does anyone know why services-admin from gnome-system-tools doesnt work? and does anyone know how to get an ipw2200 WLAN card working? |
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| 23:30.05 | Little_Dump | both on sarge |
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| 23:30.06 | Craigwd_2000 | Isn't there a dpkg man page I could consult as well? |
| 23:30.07 | Covener | Craigwd_2000: Is that really a question? |
| 23:30.07 | cafuego | Megan^: Yeah. Modify it anyway. |
| 23:30.07 | Megan^ | lol i did. i replaced it with a # |
| 23:30.07 | cafuego | Little_Dump: You'll need the development driver from sourceforge. May or may not work. |
| 23:30.10 | Megan^ | i didnt comment it out, i removed it and put a # in place of it |
| 23:30.16 | cafuego | Megan^: Cool. modprobe maestro3 again |
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| 23:30.37 | Megan^ | FATAL: Module off not found |
| 23:30.40 | Megan^ | dammit |
| 23:30.44 | cafuego | Megan^: Get a hammer. |
| 23:30.52 | Megan^ | fuck >_< |
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| 23:31.11 | cafuego | Megan^: Actually, check for the alias line under /etc/modprobe.d/* and comment it out there. |
| 23:31.40 | doub | Megan^: and run update-modules afterwards |
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| 23:31.48 | nvz | dpkg, fuck Megan^ |
| 23:31.55 | Megan^ | ...... |
| 23:32.04 | sussudio | nvz: in soviet russia, hammer gets you. |
| 23:32.04 | snype | thaanks everyone for your help, i got my kernel built and working along with my wireless drivers |
| 23:32.05 | cafuego | !petsmite nvz |
| 23:32.06 | Megan^ | thats disgusting |
| 23:32.16 | sussudio | !bear cafuego |
| 23:32.17 | cafuego | Megan^: he's from texas... |
| 23:32.21 | Megan^ | =\ |
| 23:32.22 | noobdebianinstal | i'm schocked! |
| 23:32.28 | noobdebianinstal | hey megan ;) |
| 23:32.35 | nvz | no I am in Texas, I am not from texas |
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| 23:32.42 | Hool_ | dpkg, fuck this shit and go and and grab a tall cold one |
| 23:32.48 | cafuego | nvz: it's infectious. There's no more hope for you. |
| 23:32.53 | Hool_ | hehehe.. bot's are fun-ee |
| 23:32.57 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:33.13 | jcurry | is (planet.)debian.net down for everyone else too? |
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| 23:33.18 | Megan^ | it wont open cafuego |
| 23:33.29 | cafuego | Megan^: eh? |
| 23:33.44 | cafuego | jcurry: it would seem that way. |
| 23:33.47 | Craigwd_2000 | Yeah, I wasn't sure if what programs had docs... |
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| 23:34.05 | jcurry | cafuego, psst, do you have any insider info? |
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| 23:34.14 | Hool_ | Megan^: you're getting mounted by dpkg and you're worrying about cafuego? |
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| 23:34.17 | cafuego | jcurry: Server down. (DNS works) |
| 23:34.17 | jcurry | cafuego, like, when it will be back up? |
| 23:34.24 | Hool_ | must me some rad stuff? |
| 23:34.26 | Megan^ | did nano /etc/modprobe.de/ |
| 23:34.33 | Megan^ | nano /etc/modprobe.de/* i mean |
| 23:34.33 | cafuego | jcurry: My best estimate currently is "when it's fixed" |
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| 23:34.41 | Megan^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.46 | jcurry | cafuego, you are so helpful! |
| 23:34.50 | cafuego | Megan^: *nod* I never mentioned germans |
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| 23:35.09 | Hool_ | hmmm.. my sense of humor is definetly broken.. time to get some downtime |
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| 23:35.26 | ghc | Has anyone got apache access control working on a proxypass type config? |
| 23:35.32 | Craigwd_2000 | Of course, things always break from time to time... |
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| 23:37.00 | Craigwd_2000 | Like QEmu breaking its keyboard map on Mac OS X 10.3.7 and Windows XP... |
| 23:37.08 | Megan^ | so now what do i do. i cant open /etc/modprobe.de/* it says no such file or directory |
| 23:37.16 | Abysmal | what is the latest version of debian for the oldworldmacs?? /ppc?? |
| 23:37.18 | whirm | Hi, is debian amd64 port usable? |
| 23:37.21 | strubbel | what does this mean "diald[10517]: start sl0: SIOCSIFMETRIC: Operation not supported" ? |
| 23:37.42 | cafuego | whirm: yep |
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| 23:37.47 | asharp | I just installed Sarge-Debian, and after the base system was configured, it told me i will now be allowed to login. The screen was black, and I couldn't see anything to do anything. Can anyone help me get the monitor configured from a command prompt? |
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| 23:38.00 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm going to try Sarge net install on my oldworldmac, it's a Power Mac 7600/132 with 128 MB of RAM... |
| 23:38.16 | cafuego | Megan^: Scroll back up and see the difference between what I typed and what you're typing. |
| 23:38.32 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: Be a bit slooow. |
| 23:38.38 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: Make sure you get BootX |
| 23:38.42 | Davidcc6 | el alsa mixer tambien sirve para el oss |
| 23:38.48 | Megan^ | eh? |
| 23:38.49 | Davidcc6 | o cual mixer puedo usar |
| 23:38.53 | nvz | cafuego: its all starting to look the same, she's been here 4 hours and hasnt gotten anywhere |
| 23:38.59 | Megan^ | oh..... |
| 23:39.00 | Davidcc6 | ups |
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| 23:39.07 | cafuego | Megan^: You're not looking at the file I actually told you. |
| 23:39.15 | Craigwd_2000 | Now if only the 2.4 kernel worked with older Macs so people don't have to use Potato on LCs... |
| 23:39.20 | Megan^ | ok... i opened it |
| 23:39.21 | pipeline | Craigwd_2000: Sadly, Debian is about the best OS available for that bucket of bolts. Apple reneged on agreements, making pretty much anything else impractical. And obviously you don't want to run the Vendor's POS thing. |
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| 23:39.30 | whirm | cafuego : what arch should I use installing from bootstrap? |
| 23:39.30 | Hool_ | Megan^: need a consultant? ^^ |
| 23:39.34 | nvz | Megan^: are you from florida by chance? |
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| 23:39.53 | cafuego | whirm: Nothing, just use an amd64 iso. |
| 23:39.54 | Megan^ | nvz no, i live in california |
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| 23:40.07 | whirm | It doesn't boot |
| 23:40.15 | cafuego | whirm: Why not? |
| 23:40.24 | nvz | Megan^: oh, well I was heading towards what Hool_ said.. heh |
| 23:40.32 | asharp | Anyone know how i can go reset the configuration for my monitor, from the command prompt? |
| 23:40.34 | whirm | I downloaded 2 sarge buissnescard netinstall |
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| 23:40.39 | whirm | and nothing |
| 23:40.45 | Craigwd_2000 | Short of maybe NetBSD, I think that might be better, lower system requirements... BootX comes with Sarge net install PPC. Right? |
| 23:40.48 | Gueben | hi |
| 23:40.50 | cafuego | whirm: The sid one should be fine; worked fine for me anyway. |
| 23:40.51 | snype | hi |
| 23:40.57 | nvz | your ISP seems based out of georgia, I took a wild guess. there was no scince involved |
| 23:41.03 | cafuego | Though it looks like !#$&!#%^ alioth is dead again. |
| 23:41.10 | Azar | asharp XF86Config holds your monitor config |
| 23:41.20 | cafuego | whirm: I switched to Ubuntu AMD64 for the desktop. Works fine. |
| 23:41.22 | asharp | ty |
| 23:41.22 | whirm | cafuego: and they not boot, morphix and knoppix are booting correctly |
| 23:41.33 | asharp | where exactly is that located again? |
| 23:41.36 | whirm | cafuego: is for a new server |
| 23:41.46 | Azar | asharp /etc/X11 |
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| 23:41.51 | Megan^ | what do i do while im in here again cafeugo? |
| 23:41.55 | cafuego | whirm: You don't want to be running a non-official port on a server. |
| 23:42.09 | cafuego | Megan^: Add a '#' to the 'alias maestro3 off' line. |
| 23:42.17 | asharp | Azar ty |
| 23:42.21 | Craigwd_2000 | Speaking of which, I'm probably going to upgrade to a G3 500 mhz shortly... |
| 23:42.26 | whirm | cafuego: it's not oficial? umph... |
| 23:42.30 | Megan^ | there isnt a maestro off line... its stuff about network protocols |
| 23:42.37 | SDFH_Linux | i got rid of my powerbook Ti 400mhz |
| 23:42.43 | Hool_ | you can use what dodgy os you like on a server.. just not on a _production/important_ server :) |
| 23:42.45 | Megan^ | nevermind i forgot to scroll down |
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| 23:42.52 | Azar | asharp, if you change XF86Config you have to md5sum it after change, and ofcourse save original before change |
| 23:43.07 | jcurry | asharp, do you have a net connection on the broken box? |
| 23:43.12 | cafuego | whirm: Nope. No official amd64 port until Sarge is released. So it'll be in Etch at the earliest. And it won't have security uipdates until Etch releases. Which is probably 2 years from now :-/ |
| 23:43.32 | asharp | oh my, i don't know how to do all of that |
| 23:43.35 | Craigwd_2000 | Is there any way to avoid hacking the Open Firmware to boot Sarge net install PPC's installer? |
| 23:43.36 | cafuego | Megan^: Edit the alsa-base file in that directory. |
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| 23:43.44 | Megan^ | o... |
| 23:43.46 | nvz | cafuego: for all we know sarge's release may still be 2 years from now |
| 23:43.46 | asharp | i'm new to linux, pretty much |
| 23:43.52 | Megan^ | so..... |
| 23:43.55 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: Your mac isn't going to boot that cd. Ever. |
| 23:43.56 | jcurry | asharp, get the read-edid package, from debian.net |
| 23:44.09 | Craigwd_2000 | Why not? |
| 23:44.09 | Azar | asharp pm |
| 23:44.10 | pipeline | nvz: Yes, but if that happens, none of us will care because we'll all be using either a fork or Unstable. |
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| 23:44.13 | SDFH_Linux | asharp what made you be curious about linux? |
| 23:44.16 | Megan^ | i just typed in nano /etc/modprobe.d/* and i dont see it in there =| |
| 23:44.18 | jcurry | asharp, can you navigate the site to find it, or do you need help |
| 23:44.18 | SDFH_Linux | just curious |
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| 23:44.24 | jcurry | Azar, he's mine :) |
| 23:44.37 | Azar | jcurry, ok |
| 23:44.41 | jcurry | :) |
| 23:44.42 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: it's OldWorld. You need a small MacOS install with either miboot or BootX, to bootstrap the linux kernel. |
| 23:44.45 | whirm | cafuego: Is for an internal server, no problems with security, what iso did you used to install it? can you paste the link so I don't download another usesles iso? thanks |
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| 23:45.03 | cafuego | whirm: alioth seems to be down, so I can't point you to an iso. |
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| 23:45.15 | porponnuk | my synaptic buttons are gone! (just after dist-upgrading)... |
| 23:45.18 | porponnuk | any references? |
| 23:45.20 | Azar | he is right I might confuse the man |
| 23:45.22 | cafuego | whirm: the sid-netinst one in http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ |
| 23:45.30 | nvz | pipeline: bugs.debian.org, its been reported |
| 23:45.34 | jcurry | !bear nvz |
| 23:45.34 | Craigwd_2000 | Oh, I already planned to have a Mac OS 8.1 install so I'm in luck... |
| 23:45.35 | nvz | pipeline: sorry |
| 23:45.40 | cafuego | Megan^: Correct. Edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 23:45.47 | Megan^ | oooooo!! |
| 23:45.49 | Megan^ | alright! |
| 23:45.57 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: 250Mb MacOS partition minimum. |
| 23:45.58 | thymus | Hey, how do I release an ip in debian (using dhclient) ? |
| 23:46.11 | Azar | my video driver still does not work even with adrian bunk's packages |
| 23:46.14 | dondelelcaro | thymus: there's no point to releasing an IP. |
| 23:46.15 | Craigwd_2000 | It's at least that large... |
| 23:46.18 | snype | ifconfig eth0 release |
| 23:46.21 | thymus | I foudn a listing for dhclient -r but it is not in the man page and dosn't work |
| 23:46.28 | nvz | porponnuk: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289574 |
| 23:46.35 | whirm | cafuego: ok, thanks, when it gets up i will give it a shoot, thanks. |
| 23:46.41 | Craigwd_2000 | How much free space is needed on it? |
| 23:46.43 | dondelelcaro | snype: uh... that isn't going to do anything at all. |
| 23:46.45 | thymus | and ifconfig eth0 renew is to get a new IP? |
| 23:46.50 | Megan^ | arlght i commented out the alias maestro3 off cafuego! |
| 23:47.01 | morner | i know this is the wrong channel to ask in, but #gpl is invite only |
| 23:47.03 | cafuego | Megan^: Run 'update-modules' |
| 23:47.08 | pipeline | thymus: If you just want a new IP, and you don't care whether it actually gets released, you can kill dhclient, remove /var/db/dhclient.leases, and run dhclient again. |
| 23:47.08 | dondelelcaro | thymus: you generally won't get a new IP unless the dhcp server is insane. |
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| 23:47.20 | Craigwd_2000 | On the Mac OS partition... |
| 23:47.23 | Megan^ | okay got it |
| 23:47.31 | whirm | bye! |
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| 23:47.32 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: If he doesn't release his old one, and the remote end is isc, he might get a new IP :) |
| 23:47.33 | dondelelcaro | thymus: all a release is is a message to the dhcp server saying that you're finished using the IP currently even though your lease hasn't expired. |
| 23:47.38 | morner | imagine i write a piece of software designed to work with the output of a GPL'd program |
| 23:47.44 | thymus | I know..but I ned to know to help teh cable company guy troubleshoot a bad connection |
| 23:47.47 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: About 10Mb per kernel. |
| 23:47.52 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: nope. Not unless you change your mac address, anyway. |
| 23:47.54 | morner | for example, a colourizer for ls output |
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| 23:47.59 | nvz | porponnuk: bugs #288445 and #289574 were merged.. both reported nearly 3 weeks ago |
| 23:48.01 | Craigwd_2000 | Oh, I easily have that much... |
| 23:48.03 | Megan^ | okay got it cafuego |
| 23:48.05 | dondelelcaro | thymus: so ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; |
| 23:48.11 | morner | would my software have to be GPL'd? |
| 23:48.13 | porponnuk | nvz: thanks! |
| 23:48.13 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: and make *sure* it's not an HFS+ partition, but normal HFS. |
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| 23:48.19 | nvz | porponnuk: if its a huge problem for you, I can aid you in how to fix it |
| 23:48.21 | dondelelcaro | thymus: or just killall dhclient; dhclient eth0; |
| 23:48.22 | cafuego | Megan^: Now modprobe maestro3 |
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| 23:48.25 | nvz | porponnuk: otherwise I would just wait |
| 23:48.26 | pipeline | morner: No. |
| 23:48.33 | morner | and if not, how is that any different from using GPL'd libraries? |
| 23:48.40 | morner | pipeline: very strange |
| 23:48.40 | thymus | ifdowbn eth1 will release the IP? |
| 23:48.41 | jetscreamer | so did you fix it? |
| 23:48.44 | Craigwd_2000 | Which is more user friendly, miboot or BootX? |
| 23:48.44 | Megan^ | cafuego: ok it did it without any errors!! |
| 23:48.55 | cafuego | Megan^: Cool, that means the driver is now loaded. |
| 23:49.02 | pipeline | morner: The output of GNU ls is no different from a lot of other ls tools. They're interchangeable, therefore your product doesn't actually *depend* on GNU ls. |
| 23:49.03 | doub | morner: because the output produced by an app is not covered by the program's licence |
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| 23:49.06 | porponnuk | nvz: not a problem at all, i'll just wait. I only wanted to know whether it was known |
| 23:49.07 | dondelelcaro | Craigwd_2000: unless you're using an old world machine, you're not going to use either |
| 23:49.08 | Megan^ | =D |
| 23:49.10 | Megan^ | so now what |
| 23:49.11 | jetscreamer | stiiiillll going |
| 23:49.14 | MobyTurbo | morner: btw, ls in most Linux distros includes colorization as an option. |
| 23:49.16 | pipeline | doub: That is incorrect. |
| 23:49.19 | dondelelcaro | Craigwd_2000: and if you can, you'll probably be happier using quik |
| 23:49.21 | cafuego | Megan^: Now try xmms |
| 23:49.28 | morner | MobyTurbo: i know, that was just an example :P |
| 23:49.31 | jetscreamer | the n00bergizer |
| 23:49.32 | MattF | hello |
| 23:49.33 | Megan^ | 1 sec lol |
| 23:49.35 | Azar | yummmm xmms |
| 23:49.36 | Craigwd_2000 | So then how do I boot it? |
| 23:49.39 | pipeline | doub: Using GNU ls as a necessary component of your application would be grounds enough for the GPL. |
| 23:49.40 | thymus | well, going to try to play with release and renew... |
| 23:49.49 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: He'll need BootX to initially get the installer going. |
| 23:49.51 | thymus | I mgiht be back soon if I can't get an IP back |
| 23:49.56 | thymus | w/o rebooting |
| 23:49.57 | doub | pipeline: say you use abiword to produce a text file, you can use whatever licence you like for the text file, right? |
| 23:49.58 | MattF | I am attemping to compile a new kernel, I've followed the instructions, but I'm getting an error, permission denied during compile |
| 23:50.02 | pipeline | morner: If you went further, requiring GNU ls to be installed, or worse, distributing it with your application, then you get into ugly territory. |
| 23:50.03 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: is he using an old world machine? |
| 23:50.07 | pipeline | doub: Indeed. |
| 23:50.09 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeh. 7600 |
| 23:50.12 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah |
| 23:50.12 | MattF | I assume it's because I'm compiling not as root...? |
| 23:50.18 | Azar | now console mode looks easier to install than X |
| 23:50.20 | doub | pipeline: so in what respect is ls's output any different? |
| 23:50.26 | dondelelcaro | Craigwd_2000: I'd start with bootx... it's pretty trivial. |
| 23:50.29 | pipeline | doub: That's an entirely different situation. |
| 23:50.36 | thymus | ifcnofig eth1 relaes dosn't work |
| 23:50.40 | thymus | relase |
| 23:50.40 | Craigwd_2000 | Right, my original plan was to hack the Open Firmware and start BootX from within. How's that sound? |
| 23:50.41 | morner | pipeline: doesn't this open a rather nasty loophole though? |
| 23:50.43 | dondelelcaro | doub: it depends on what the output is. There's not a hard and fast rule one way or the other. |
| 23:50.49 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: "painful" |
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| 23:50.53 | dondelelcaro | thymus: exactly. snype is making up syntax for ifconfig for some reason. |
| 23:50.54 | Megan^ | still static cafuego... |
| 23:50.55 | morner | i could wrap a GPL lib in a gpl program |
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| 23:51.06 | cafuego | Megan^: Try another mp3 |
| 23:51.06 | morner | and then read that into the 'real' application |
| 23:51.08 | pipeline | doub: If you use coreutils-specific features of ls in your applicaiton, and you depend upon that output to make your application work, you are, in effect, including GPL-licensed code. |
| 23:51.10 | Lo_Meinix | Can someone help me figure out setting up sound cuz really, I'm at the end of my rope |
| 23:51.13 | pipeline | morner: Not at all. |
| 23:51.13 | Craigwd_2000 | What do you mean, painful?! |
| 23:51.18 | morner | and effectively sidestep the GPL on the library |
| 23:51.23 | nvz | porponnuk: yup its reported twice. if this kind of thing happens you can go to the Repositories in synaptic and add the url http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/date/date-str/debian/, and update, then fetch the package.. you replace date-str with a valid date-str like 6-weeks-ago and it will fetch a package from 6 weeks ago. its usually ideal to temp uncheck your regular sources when you do thes, then go back in and switch it back. |
| 23:51.25 | thymus | so how do I release my ipaddy? |
| 23:51.28 | nitrocks | how would i invoke the mount command in order to mount a drive that other users can view the contents |
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| 23:51.37 | dondelelcaro | thymus: you don't, already. Just kill off dhclient, and rerun it. |
| 23:51.39 | cafuego | Craigwd_2000: Why would you dick around with OF when nothing you can do will make it boot using a NewWorld commend set? |
| 23:51.47 | thymus | Oh...ok... |
| 23:51.48 | dondelelcaro | thymus: or go ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; |
| 23:51.50 | pipeline | morner: Not really; if you depend on *GNU* ls's output, you're including it and you are subject to the GPL. |
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| 23:51.56 | Megan^ | different mp3, in xmms and totem and still static |
| 23:52.02 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: not necessarily, either. |
| 23:52.03 | pipeline | morner: If you can use just any old /bin/ls, you have a better argument and you're beholden to no one :) |
| 23:52.09 | Craigwd_2000 | Huh, well that was the recommendation of Woody's install docs... |
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| 23:52.22 | cafuego | Megan^: open the sound volume and make sure the PCM volume is way up. |
| 23:52.25 | pipeline | morner: Of course, there is a loophole here: The license is so C-specific, what happens when you start tickling dlopen() and friends to load a library at runtime? |
| 23:52.31 | nvz | porponnuk: I am currently using the fceu-sdl package from sdn, because they merged all fceu into one package, and somehow broke the keybindings for the games. |
| 23:52.40 | thymus | killall dhclient killed teh deamon but I still have an IP |
| 23:52.40 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: the question becomes whether or not you are forming a derivative work of a GPLed work. That's probably not occuring when you're using the output of ls to do something. |
| 23:52.43 | pipeline | morner: For safety's sake, a lot of non-C code is licensed in either MIT or GPL, because LGPL isn't specific enough. |
| 23:52.53 | Johnn | Hi, I need to exec shell with parameter..Exec shell with parameters (it do compare) and then end. Is any way how to run shell with parameters ? |
| 23:52.53 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: That's what I said. |
| 23:53.02 | Craigwd_2000 | Are you saying the docs are wrong? |
| 23:53.06 | dondelelcaro | thymus: obviously. You will still have an IP. You rerun dhclient to get a new lease. |
| 23:53.10 | Megan^ | it is cafuego, still static |
| 23:53.27 | cafuego | Megan^: Hmmm. |
| 23:53.36 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: However, if you depend upon GNU ls specifically, or you distribute it alongside your application, you're arguably creating a derivative work. |
| 23:53.37 | thymus | ifdown/if upp seem to work. |
| 23:53.40 | cafuego | Megan^: Also static when uisng headphones? |
| 23:53.44 | nvz | !comfort Megan^ |
| 23:53.45 | dpkg | There, there, Megan^. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:53.52 | cafuego | !rape nvz |
| 23:53.55 | Craigwd_2000 | The official docs are wrong?! |
| 23:53.56 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: This is why, for example, Microsoft is so anal retentive about GCC on Interix |
| 23:54.00 | nvz | heh |
| 23:54.12 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: possibly. Again, it's not where there is a specific point where something becomes a derivative work or not |
| 23:54.12 | Megan^ | i'll try headphones let me get them cafuego |
| 23:54.13 | porponnuk | nvz: thanks for your help, I can repair it by myself from now on |
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| 23:54.17 | Megan^ | and nvz, cut that shit out! |
| 23:54.18 | doub | pipeline: it sounds different to me. a library call would put a dependency on the library, whereas using output from a GNU program, which only uses a special formating, that is conforms to a given standard, is only depending on this standard, not the program itself |
| 23:54.23 | Megan^ | !slap nvz |
| 23:54.38 | jasz | hello |
| 23:54.38 | pipeline | doub: Exactly. |
| 23:54.43 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: when in doubt, it's best to assume that you've got a derivative work... but just because it's best doesn't mean you've actually formed one for the purpose of copyright. |
| 23:54.50 | cafuego | Megan^: If they also have static, I give up. |
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| 23:55.04 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: As the GPL has never been used in court, I don't think we're going to find out. It's in everyone's best interest if we never do. |
| 23:55.10 | jasz | how can i delete all lines starting with "--" in a text file? (using vi) |
| 23:55.33 | |rufius| | jasz: go down one by one and delete them? |
| 23:55.38 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: even if it were tested in court, it still wouldn't have bearing on this specific test, unless someone specifically argued about what constituted a derivative work. |
| 23:55.40 | doub | pipeline: thus, depending on, say, GNU ls's output for an app to work is not really depending on GNU ls. one can always produce his own ls with a conforming output, right? |
| 23:55.44 | lu_ | hello one and all, i'm looking for some help with make-kpkg |
| 23:55.45 | jasz | |rufius|, that's what i want to avoid... duh |
| 23:56.11 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Well, it would be hard to think of an interesting test in court that *wouldn't* involve a very specific ruling on what constitutes a derivative work. |
| 23:56.13 | Craigwd_2000 | So are the docs wrong or just written for newer Macs? |
| 23:56.19 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: and even then, there isn't sufficient case law on copyrighted programs and their derivative works, like there is for audio and video recording. |
| 23:56.21 | pipeline | doub: Yes |
| 23:56.22 | |rufius| | jasz: sarcasm, try reading a howto on sed, you should be able to come up with a sed expression to do it |
| 23:56.27 | lu_ | i'm a noob compiler and 2.6.10-1 i |
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| 23:56.35 | pipeline | doub: But when you depend upon coreutils-specific extensions to standard, then you tread on dangerous territory |
| 23:56.35 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: in the context of that derivative work, perhaps... but you won't find a bright line test |
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| 23:57.05 | Lo_Meinia | Why I do declare this alsa installation will be the death of me. Would one of you fine young gents help little ole me with my problem? |
| 23:57.08 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Every subsequent case will damn well try to make one. |
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| 23:57.40 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: one still doesn't exist for music and/or movies... and they've been in the court system quite a lot more than computer software has... |
| 23:57.43 | DaCa | jasz: :g/^--/d |
| 23:57.46 | now3d | hello, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ seems to be down... anyone else having probs accessing itplease? |
| 23:57.46 | nvz | lu_: ? spit it out son. :) |
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| 23:57.52 | Azar | I am having constant problems with nvidia driver, and I wish to re-do my 2.6.10 kernel, can I just recompile the kernel without downloading it again? |
| 23:58.04 | lu_ | s my compilerhey i have the same problem azar |
| 23:58.08 | Lo_Meinia | Azar: absolutely |
| 23:58.23 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Have they? Copyright law didn't really apply to music or movies in a meaningful way until 1976... |
| 23:58.23 | BBearr | ...back again. I can't get X to work with my ATI 9200. I got a proprietary from ATI and tried to install using RPM, but got errors, no install. |
| 23:58.27 | Azar | ok thanks guys |
| 23:58.29 | lu_ | AZAR, are you using a laptop or desktop |
| 23:58.30 | jetscreamer | did i ever mention that alsa really sux if it doesn't 'just work'(TM) and that once i got alsa going i ripped it out and put oss back because the alsa driver/module created snap/crackle/pop? oh yeah, i did mention that before |
| 23:58.31 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: uh, sure it did. |
| 23:58.34 | Thaiger | Does anyone have a source so I can apt-get mplayer? |
| 23:58.34 | Craigwd_2000 | May want to update to the latest kernel though... |
| 23:58.41 | jasz | DaCa, thank you.. great |
| 23:58.42 | Azar | lu_ I am on a desktop |
| 23:58.44 | clojster | how can I compile the newest kernel when the source isn't in repository? |
| 23:58.44 | nvz | Thaiger: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 23:58.45 | now3d | i am trying to figure out what todo next in my sarge debian-installer.. after package download and install should i quit Aptitude? |
| 23:58.45 | jetscreamer | BBearr, alien to do the rpm thing |
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| 23:58.57 | lu_ | cool man |
| 23:58.57 | Craigwd_2000 | Get it elsewhere... |
| 23:58.59 | lu_ | sorry |
| 23:59.04 | jetscreamer | BBearr, apt-get install alien && alien *.rpm |
| 23:59.08 | nvz | Thaiger: also fyi, apt-get.org is an unofficial package search |
| 23:59.14 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: the 1976 act was a revolution in copyright law, coinciding with rapid technological change. Before then, you didn't really have a need for much of the apparatus of copyright law in those realms. |
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| 23:59.19 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm sure Google can find 2.6.9... |
| 23:59.36 | clojster | debian has special kernels. Or not? |
| 23:59.36 | pipeline | BBearr: Don't use rpm. |
| 23:59.41 | doub | pipeline: there's something strange in here. stallman himself states that GNU's goal is producing free software, even if it's based on other's ideas (even if GNU's not Unix, it shares a good bit of it, for example), but one can't use GNU's ideas without going into trouble? that sounds unfair |
| 23:59.43 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: movies and music were still copyrighted well before the 1976 copyright act... so I've no clue why you're even bringing that up |
| 23:59.43 | Azar | meh 2.6.10 is ok , is just I think I did not compiled it correctly |
| 23:59.50 | Craigwd_2000 | Or any metasearch engine... |
| 23:59.51 | pipeline | clojster: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 23:59.54 | jetscreamer | BBearr, yeah i was gonna add, don't do the rpm thing unless you just have to |
| 23:59.56 | now3d | are my messages getting though..? |
